HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: Re: alt.hypnosis
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:49:31 GMT

In article <BxHu45.53s@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.062623.10789@news.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>
>>  A few days ago, an undiscussed and remarkably malformed newgroup
>>message was sent out by smegma%momad@infoserv.com for the groups
>>alt.hypnosis and alt.isea.
>
>>  I sent e-mail to smegma%momad@infoserv.com asking him to go about
>>the creation of these groups in a more conventional manner, but I have
>>not received any reply.
>
>I didn't bother to reply to this one.  I noticed a message in my
>mailbox the other day about "Control message `newroup alt.hypnosis'
>[sic] looks unsafe to execute," so I poked through control before I
>found a "newroup" message for alt.hypnosis from taz@momad.uucp.  The
>message body read, "Approved by e-mail vote."
>
>This is not the first time I've seen a group created on the basis of
>an "e-mail vote."  Where do these clowns come from?
>
>In any case, I have not created alt.hypnosis here, and since Taz has
>not indicated that they care to mention it in alt.config, I don't
>intend to do so.

  Admittedly, some rather clueless people seem to be trying to create
this group.  However, my intention with my previus posting was to go
through normal channels after the fact, rescuing a group I'd like to
read from the damage inflicted upon it by clueless creators.

  So:  pretend you never saw any previous creation attempts for this.
I'd like to propose a new group to be called alt.hypnosis, for
discussion of all aspects of hypnosis, trance states, etc.  Comments?

--
Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Subject: alt.culture.alaska proposed
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:09:43 GMT

alt.culture.alaska is an unmoderated newsgroup which was proposed in
alt.config on both 12 March and 13 October of this year.  Seeing as how
there was no objection at either time, this newgroup is being issued for 
creation of the group.  For your newsgroups file:

alt.culture.alaska		Discussion about the state of Alaska

The group alt.culture.alaska will be for discussing the state of Alaska, 
its stories and myths (including debunking them), its history and 
future, as well as those elements known outside of Alaska as having ties 
or relevance (i.e. Tom Bodett, Andre Marrou, Northern Exposure, the 
ongoing Alaska Highway anniversary, etc.).  It will also serve as a 
means for the large number of expatriates out there on the net to stay 
connected with their former (and perhaps again future) home.

A gateway to the WWIVnet subboard "Ye Olde Alaskan Tavern" has been 
given the okay.  As well, discussions will commence shortly about gating 
the newsgroup to the Alaskan Information Echo on Fidonet.  This was 
brought up in the recent post to alt.config and there were no objections 
raised.

This newgroup is being issued by the news admin here in the interest of
seeing propagation at those sites which only honor newgroups issued by 
site admins.  However, queries for information should be directed to the
proposer of the group, Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the course of the next few days, I will be re-introducing groups
originally proposed by Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.   If, after three
days, there is a favorable response, I will be issuing newgroups for these
groups.  If, after three days, there is no response, I will assume that there
is no interest in these groups.  Responses can be posted (preferred) to
alt.config or mailed to mike@raven.alaska.edu.  My apologies to Sean Ryan for
the delay in starting this process.

Neither I nor the University of Alaska-Fairbanks neither condemn nor condone
any of the proposed newsgroups.
=============================================================================
-Mike Kienenberger                       FXMLK@ALASKA           (BITNet)
 Academic Computing                      FXMLK@acad3.alaska.edu (Internet)
 News Administrator 			 mike@raven.alaska.edu (also news@)
 University of Alaska-Fairbanks
 "I'm a computer programmer....<link><link><kludge><kludge> say-no-more!"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: new alt.cichlid newsgroup
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:20:56 GMT

biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow) writes:

>The last time the *.aquaria configuration was fought out (three
>years ago, Oleg?), the greatest flame war in USENET history 
>erupted. And that was only to create the existing three groups!
>We could probably destroy the entire human race several times
>over with an even bigger, better attempt to reconfigure *.aquaria.

Actually, IMO, the science fiction / fantasy group reorg of some 2
years ago wins hands-down as the most acrimonious event in Net
history.  (it lasted over a year with several votings conducted,
thrown out, reformed, sysops refusing to honor the results, etc, so
it's hard to say when the "reorg" took place).  The fishy reorg (which
I participated in) was quite mild by comparison.  This is not to say
the aquarium flame wars were anything I care to repeat.

>On second thought, let's just read our FAQ's and leave it well
>enough alone for the duration of this millenium. The groups are
>crowded, but not that badly.

I agree.  However, if people feel there *must* be one, the FW/SW split
is probably all that's needed.  I don't even like this idea as there's
a lot of overlap in technology and methodology between them.  I
personally don't find current posting loads unmanagable, especially
when the [FMRP...] specifiers are employed.

Others will undoubtedly differ from me.  It'd be interesting to see
the correlation between those who want to reorg and whether or not
they were in on the last reorg.  Perhaps those of us who were there
were damaged by the event <quarter grin - more like a grimace>?  I'm
quite sure the majority of the current *.aquaria readers weren't there
for the fireworks and don't understand why we'd just as soon leave
that reeking skeleton in the closet...
-- 
Keith Rogers
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.005027.25462@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>If I had my first druthers, a sci.* or misc.* newsgroup would be my first
>choice as well.  However, we would need at least fifty or so avid supporters
>(my guess), to make this newsgroup pass the vote, and I just don't see that
>many supporters at this time.
>...
>Yet, I've tried many times to start discussion on sci.psychology concerning
>Myers-Briggs, with very limited response and essentially no interest, while
>I've found very substantial interest in other newsgroups such as, believe it
>or not, alt.sex, alt.personals, and alt.business.multi-level!
>...
>There is also the perception
>among many on Usenet of sci.* groups as being a little too "eggheadish" to
>suit their interests.  That's why the alt.* groups are thriving and expanding
>so rapidly.

I can live with that.

>Remember too, that the M-B system is far
>and away the most well-known and most used personality typing system among the
>general population.

Then is it really necessary to have a newsgroup whose focus is on M-B,
rather than on personality study in general?

How about this: try alt.psychology.personality.  If it becomes
evident, after forming that newsgroup, that there are discussions
being crowded out by the Myers-Briggs talk, then propose
.myers-briggs.  I'd prefer to start with more general fields and go to
the more specific ones as they're needed.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:39:54 GMT

In article <LANCER.92Nov5144348@rajeesh.WPI.EDU> lancer@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:

>
>I just wish the people who made alt.politics.clinton had observed
>nettiquite and created it the right way...
>

No "people" about it. alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,and 
alt.politics.perot were all created by Carasso, who is not known for
his nettiquette.

now that you mention it, the fact that carasso created these groups is
as good a reason as any to rmgroup them and start anew, with
alt.president.clinton
alt.politics.united-we-stand
alt.loser.bush

:-) couldnt resist.

-r


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From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:36:30 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>>I am also open to consider a more generic newsgroup name as well.

kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>>Maybe IQ measurement systems and other systems of measurement of selected
>>psychological/psychiatric parameters belong here, too.

slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>There's a word for psychological tests in general, and that word is
>"psychometrics."  However, that includes things like IQ tests, the Rorschach,
>the TAT--fascinating stuff, but just a little more complex than the
>Myers-Briggs and similar "naive" psychometric instruments, and therefore not
>really appropriate for a layperson-oriented group. 

I would STRONGLY support a group including these concepts.  There is
a significant amount of traffic on IQ tests in one of the newsgroups I
frequent (which shall remain nameless), but we are SICK of it.  On the
other hand, if the discussion were removed to a group with less, erm,
*hostility* toward criticism of IQ tests, I would probably enjoy the
discussion more.  Also, since personality and IQ really do belong
together (intelligence is more than what can be quantified by tests;
there are those who feel that people-smarts are a significant part of
intelligence), the group should be encompassing enough to include
these types of threads.

I'd go for alt.psychology.psychometrics, however esoteric the name
might be.  It makes sense to me now that I know what psychometrics
means, but how clear is it to the uninformed reader?  Psycho-Metrics.
I get it.  ;-)

-sz
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: alt.fan.werewolves (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 07:43:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.004056.20172@cs.tulane.edu> jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella) writes:
>One vote for! :)
>
>Meow...
>-- 

To be honest, I think alt.fan.werewolves would be a better name for the
group.  That's what it's apparently going to be about, after all. 
Alt.wolves and alt.vampyres had it suggested that they should have been
alt.fan.wolves and alt.fan.vampyres or alt.fan.vampires, but no one
listened in time.  Try alt.fan.werewolves on for size.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:47:44 GMT

OK.  How about alt.politics.usa.united-we-stand-america ?

I know its long, but its just typing, right?  We can all type
a little extra for the added content, right?


-- 
Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.newbie
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.qixnews
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 22:09:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.050955.26565@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
>I would like to propose the creation of alt.qixnews.
>
>PROPOSED CHARTER
>
[deleted]


Here is a list of groups you may want to browse:

talk.bizarre
talk.philosophy.misc
alt.slack
alt.discordia
alt.religion.newage
alt.religion.scientology
misc.misc
sci.physics

and last, but not least

misc.test (this is the best group for testing out new theorys)



Try crossposting your ideas and theorys to all these groups at once to
ensure maximum readership.  Then, monitor all the groups to see
where the best threads develop.  No doubt you will get some fan mail
as you have some interesting ideas.

Hope this helps. :-)

Ta-ta for now,
M
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sex.pictures.misc
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:22:30 GMT
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division

In article <FnIArACJBh107h@momad.UUCP> taz%momad@infoserv.com writes:

>	ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.EROTICA can remain as a forum for sexually 
>	explicit pictures, whereas clean nudity, without direct sexual
>	connotation, will be posted in ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE.
>
>	Please send your votes on this subject publicly, please reply
>	to this message.   Thank you.

This seems to me like one of the more absurd ideas I've ever seen on
the net.  Do you think people are going to sit there and try to decide
whether the nude picture they're about to post contains any sexual
content?  No: they're going to crosspost to both groups.  Besides,
this is not going to do anything about the pedophilia problem
currently raging in news.admin.*, since those posting nude pictures of
children are most likely doing so for the perceived sexual content.

I don't receive any alt.binaries groups anyway, so the creation of
this one won't affect me.  Just trying to contribute some of my alt
battle scars.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: CFD: Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems (e.g. Myers-Briggs)
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:23:10 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>I would support creation of such a group -- I think the best name would be
>one of the following:
>
>	alt.personality.types
>	alt.personality.myers-briggs
>	sci.psychology.personality.types
>	sci.psychology.personality.myers-briggs
[stuff deleted]
>           I think that
>"types" or "myers-briggs" should be part of the name, and that both
>alt.personality and sci.psychology.personality would be ambiguous.

Well, I *really* don't think it should go on the Seven Big Hierarchies; to do
that, we'd have to go to all the trouble of an RFD and a CFV, and it'd
probably be voted down by a bunch of stuffed shirts from sci.psychology.

IMHO, nothing with "myers-briggs" in the name is desirable.  There's more than
one system out there, as I and a few other hardy souls have pointed out.

How about alt.psychology.types? It's a little ambiguous, but not in the same
way you're worried about for alt.personality, and it also hierarchicalizes
nicely with alt.psychology.hypnosis .

	Seth "the Lesser"

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Summary: No, no, no, a 1000 times, NO!
Keywords: NO!!
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:17:42 GMT

There are certainly enough news groups for posting GIFs of people 
in various stages of undress, engaged in various activities.
Another one is definitely NOT neeeded!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:15:21 EST
From: Craig Fenton <CEF109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES

Add a vote from me!
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.pub.dragons-inn,alt.dragons-inn
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: ADMIN!!!   Alt.dragons-inn and alt.pub.dragons-inn...
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:45:12 GMT

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: In article <BxL34D.GHu@sti.com> alaric@sti.com (Phil Stracchino) writes:
: 
: >Sites which alias alt.dragons-inn to
: >alt.pub.dragons-inn are:
: >
: >(b)  making it impossible for readers downstream of them to receive
: >     alt.dragons-inn;
: >(c)  making it very difficult for posters in alt.dragons-inn to know
: >     where their posts are going to end up, or whether other readers
: >     of alt.dragons-inn will ever see them.
: 
: That's as it should be.  alt.dragons-inn is a bogus group.
 
Not at all sites, it's not.  So perhaps it should be created at those sites
for which it is bogus?  Despite being originally a miscreation of alt.pub.,
it has now acquired its own inhabitants, who don't want to join with alt.pub.
and are annoyed that they are considered the same at many sites.

: >If you are the newsadmin at a site which has alt.dragons-inn aliased
: >to alt.pub.dragons-inn, PLEASE un-alias it, for the welfare of both
: >groups.
: 
: All right.  I like 'x' better anyhow.

Your decision...remove it if you wish, create it if you wish, but aliasing is
causing problems.

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"It's not my fault.  The orchestra has disappeared."
   ---Hector Berlioz
Current Album--Glass Tiger:The Thin Red Line
Current Read--Jack McDevitt:The Hercules Text
From: asspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.culture.oregon proposal
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:26:00 GMT
Organization: Fnordbox Escape Committee
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <1992Nov10.194302.8344@gvl.unisys.com>, markw@gvlf7-p.gvl.unisys.com (Mark H. Weber) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov6.123235.20843@raven.alaska.edu>, mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger) writes:
>>> 
>>> alt.culture.oregon		Discussion about the state of Oregon
> 
>How about using the pdx.* groups? Here's more info:
[...]

Because not everyone in the entire world of Usenet is likely to pick
up a feed of pdx.* at their site, and not everyone currently reading
pdx.* is likely to want to see postings from around the entire world
of Usenet, even if those posts are relevant to the discussions.

In case you or anyone else were asleep while the previous discussion
was going on, let me refresh your memory.  For the past year-and-a-
half now, the net has been graced with the presence of
alt.fan.tom_peterson.  During the vast majority of the group's
existence, the discussion has been on Oregon in general, not just Tom
Peterson.  This discussion has originated from all over the world
(U.S., Canada, Japan, several European countries, etc.).  I proposed
alt.culture.oregon to better accomodate the traffic which is currently
taking place in a.f.t_p (which, because of its name and/or the manner
in which it originally came into being, will never achieve any sort of
significant propagation).  Having this group in place will serve a
niche that has been shown to exist, but is not adequately being served
at present.

**********************************************************************
Sean Patrick Ryan*****asspr@acad3.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com
3215 Oregon Dr. #2, Anchorage, AK  99517-2048***(907)272-9184****fnord
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Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.politics.misc
From: Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi>
Subject: new alt.politics.* groups
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:17:03 GMT

In a week, I will create the five new alt.politics.* groups descibed
below.  Email or post any suggested changes to group names and/or
descriptions.

alt.politics.org.un		Politics of United Nations
What is the role of United Nations in world politics?  Who holds the
power on various organs of UN?  Does UN have any real influence?  

alt.politics.media		Media and politics
Political reporting in media, media as political tools, political
propaganda.  

alt.politics.economics		Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets
Economical politics - what governments should invest in, what should
be taxed and what subsidized, how do economics shape politics.

alt.politics.sex		"Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour
Sexuality laws (blue laws, criminalizing sex acts,"indecent" behaviour
etc.), censorship on sexuality ("obscenity" laws), etc.  Generic
discrimination or equality quostions based on gender or sexual
preference don't belong here but rather in alt.politics.equality.

alt.politics.equality		Equality and discrimination
Equality and discrimination with regards to skin color, gender,
nationality, sexual preference, ethnicity, language, etc.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: new alt.politics.* groups
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:51:42 GMT

In article <BxFIq1.Ex7@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Jyrki, why don't you ever *propose* a group before *announcing* that
>you're going to create it?

I sometimes do.  You just aren't paying attention.

Anyway, it seems kind of silly to propose groups when I am the one who
is going to create it.

Another reason I wrote this more as an announcement than a
query/proposal for discussion is that the alt.politics.* group names
were hashed out in a discussion period in news.groups, and got votes
of support (though not enough to get created as talk.politics.*
groups).

//Jyrki

PS. an interesting coincidence - the only two persons in my global
killfile for many months now are the two first persons to followup to
the alt.politics.* group proposal/description.
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