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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Simulated Brain
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:15:43 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BARRY.92Oct6151915@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu> barry@chezmoto.ai.mit.edu (Barry Kort) writes:

>Daniel Dennett ... saw no reason
>why intelligence and consciousness could not reside in a sufficiently
>powerful computer processor.

I'm sure he intended the processor to be running suitable software :-)
Given that rider, this is hardly controversial. Contrary to popular
opinion, even Searle of Chinese Roon fame agrees with that, as he made
plain in the Jan 1990 edition of Scientific American.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Grounding
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:41:09 GMT
Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA

spratt@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Lindsey Spratt) writes:

>Harry Erwin's comment about the "neocortex downloading" - isn't this the
>same basic notion as Ulric Neisser presents in his "Cognition & Reality"?
>-Lindseya

This may be. I'm responding to Walter Freeman's presentation on the
subject.




-- 
Harry Erwin
Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com

Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
From: harris@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris)
Subject: Constitutional Phenomenology:
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:34:09 GMT


I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with the methods of constitutional
phenomenology, esp. as found in Edmund Husserl's _Ideas_ vol.2
and Merleau Ponty's _Phenomenology of Perception_.  I know
that in recent years (~10 years?) there has been some cross-over
between A.I./Cognitive Science/Psychology and the phenomenological
models (even though all the Germans and Frenchmen in question are
dead, or just about).

Pardoning the tribal tongue, I'd like to mention what my central 
concern there is. To start with, I'm studying the first section
of Ideas vol.2. Those chapters are concerned with the constitution
of Nature---i.e., the world.  If your still reading this post you
probably know that Husserl uses a peculiar "reverse epistemology,"
for instance, by arguing that it is only the inclusion of the body
into the sensorial network of "causal" and "psycho-physical" relations
which allows us to have the idea of a world which is fundamentally
independent of the body.  Likewise, those of you familiar with
the _Logische Untersuchungen_ know that Husserl tried to show
that logic is something in the world and not a psychological 
phenomenon by re-situating the psychological sphere as a
necessary precondition of "objective" phenomenon.

These are my questions:
(1)  On the critical side, what are the sorts of intervention that
language makes on the noemata, down to the "lowest" level of
perceptual filling, if one can speak of such things.  This question
is critical because Husserl puts language on one of the highest 
levels (or strata), almost as if it were an adjunct to 
intersubjectivity in general.  This is clearly unacceptable, but
I find it difficult to argue that language intervenes on, say
the interaction between the world and the body, or the consequent
formation of a norm of perception.

(2)  Does anyone know of any other investigations that use
the technique of signification strata?  Husserl's method
of constituting the world (for him, how does the signification
"the world" achieve the weight it has for us) is via
a series of intentional/signification strata: The material
thing, characterized by "causal" interactions, the somatological
(psycho-physical relations, the norm) and the intersubjective.
Does anyone else use this technique?


----------------
Adam Harris, harris@cs.uchicago.edu
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From: purna@shizuoka.ac.jp (Yusuf Wilajati Purna)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.neural-nets
Subject: Re: Has making a group for Genetic Algorithms been discussed?
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:11:44 GMT
Organization: Shizuoka University, Hamamatsu, Japan.


In article <BvD31o.FwK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nafpliot@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (N.N.)
writes:

>I don't want to go over old hash, but has the idea of a group for
>Genetic Algorithms been discussed? ...
>
>Thanks,
>Nicholas Nafpliotis

I don't know whether or not comp.ai.ga exists. However, there has been
already a moderated mailing list for GA. To join the mailing list, you
could send an e-mail request to:

	GA-List-Request@AIC.NRL.NAVY.MIL

I hope this will be helpful.

-- Wila --

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Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.cognitive
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,sci.cognative,alt.consciousness,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:39:59 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <BvM75v.AEF@eis.calstate.edu> wstein@eis.calstate.edu (William K. Stein) writes:

>rob@apache.dtcc.edu (Rob Jarman) writes:
>> 
>> I'm looking for information or references on human intelligence vs.
>> machine intelligence for a research paper. Could any of you help?


>  Read Penrose's,  "The Emporer's New Mind".  All the rest is nonesense.

>Zev Stein
>wstein@eis.calstate.edu

Au contraire.  Penrose's book is very interesting, but his conclusions are 
decidedly iffy.  I'm not going to justify this statement, but some of the 
people on comp.ai might be prepared to.  


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: pollack@dendrite.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jordan B Pollack)
Subject: Re: bboard to discuss genetic alg, connectionism, artificial life?
Originator: pollack@dendrite.cis.ohio-state.edu
Reply-To: pollack@cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
	<1992Oct4.041704.6346@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:55:54 GMT

Matt Ginsberg writes:
>Having gotten myself into this mess, let me try to at least partially
>get myself out of it by explaining my attitudes a bit more clearly.

There is a serious issue lurking behind the rejectionist attitudes in
your note to this group (and the previous grenade lobbed during the
"AI Winter" debate). Regardless of the balance of federal funding for
different approaches to AI, be they logic, hacking, learning, or
biologically inspired, there is an important question of how AI defines
itself.  AI can of course be narrowly defined as a set of approved
methodologies, and when the products of those are exhausted, the field
will definitely wither. Rejectionism allows various alternative
approaches to establish niches, large newsworthy conferences,
professional societies, funding mechanisms, and for the proponents to
simultanously attack AI while claiming to be "NOT AI!"

On the other hand AI can be defined broadly, as the technological and
computational side of cognitive science, with practitioners competing
in all available methodologies.  Although there will be a continuous
ebb and flow in the popularity of areas and concepts, with concomitant
changes in supply and demand for people in those areas, the field as a
whole will benefit by having a continuing stream of intellectual and
cultural products. 

So I am for defining AI as broadly as possible, and think it is
entirely appropriate that the subfields of AI be listed in subgroups
of comp.ai, rather than under sci.alife or sci.ga. 

>I don't believe in any of the approaches to AI that somehow
>imply that intelligence arises magically (or semi-magically) from some
>interesting computational mechanism.

I do.  




-- 
Jordan Pollack                            Assistant Professor
CIS Dept/OSU                              Laboratory for AI Research
2036 Neil Ave                             Email: pollack@cis.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210                        Phone: (614)292-4890 (then * to fax)
From: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: How many sentences? Estimate?
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

benanav@earth.njit.edu (Dan Benanav) writes:
>Many people responded with this.  Apparently few can find a reasonable
>restriction to make the number of sentences finite.
>Ok how about this.  Approxomately how many sentences are
>there with only 2 words each of which is less then 20 characters long.
>After we figure that out we can try for three words.

I would still like to hear:

1) Assuming you can come up with an approximate value, how will it improve
   your life to know this number? 

2) What does this have to do with artificial intelligence?

-Tom
From: stelling@world.std.com (Jens H Stelling)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Query: Natural Language Parsing & CBR
Keywords: natural language, case-based reasoning
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:50:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvCv3y.KAx
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA


In an attempt to develop an interface to a case-based mechanical
design system (as part of my masters thesis), I have come across
the need for a natural language parser. My research into natural
language processing (a completely new field to me) has yielded
primarily commercial systems, most of which generate SQL. This
seems to be 180 degrees about from my hopes of finding a versatile
parser, available via FTP. Toward this goal, I would greatly
appreciate any information regarding the following:

- Any natural language parsers, preferably obtainable via FTP.

- Any pointers or references to previous work done on interfacing
  NL systems with case-based systems (especially with reference
  to case retrieval).

I would be happy to post a summary of the responses I receive.

Any help is truly appreciated - Thank you.

        Jens Stelling
        Mechanical Engineering Department
        Northeastern University
        Boston, MA 02115

        stelling@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.neural-nets
From: jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Nelissen)
Subject: Re: Has making a group for Genetic Algorithms been discussed?
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:46:20 GMT

nafpliot@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (N.N.) writes:

>I don't want to go over old hash, but has the idea of a group for 
>Genetic Algorithms been discussed?  Something like comp.ai.ga?  

To the best of my news-knowledge, it hasn't been discussed.
But refer to the FAQ#8:

    Some GA discussion tends to happen in comp.ai.neural-nets.
    Another loosely relevant group is comp.theory.self-org-sys.
    Perhaps it is time for a comp.ai.ga, comp.theory.ga or maybe comp.ga
    There is a GA mailing list which you can subscribe to by
    sending a request to GA-List-Request@AIC.NRL.NAVY.MIL
    You can also try anonymous ftp to
      ftp.aic.nrl.navy.mil
    in the /pub/galist directory. There are papers and some software.

 
>If not, can this be discussed?  I would like to know if interest in such a 
>group is widespread, or if limited to only a few people.

I would be *very* interested in such a group and would appreciate it
very much if you or anybody else out there would take over
responsibility and prepare a RFD to be posted to
news.announce.newgroups for it. 

-- 
Josef Nelissen, Lehrstuhl fuer Angewandte Mathematik, insbesondere Informatik,
RWTH-Aachen, Ahornstr. 55, W-5100 Aachen, Germany, Tel. +49 241/80-21060,
FAX +49 241/80-21079, e-mail jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
** In the beginning was the word, 2 bytes long, aligned on an even boundary. **
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: Tom Santos <tom_santos@taligent.com>
Subject: Re: AI and Macintosh Experiences
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EA328AF801C10E@toms-quadra.taligent.com>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:30:18 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:30:21 GMT

AI and Macintosh Experiences

I work for a company that writes Genetic Algorithm software for the
Macintosh.
We have a commercial product called MicroGA developed in C++.  We
developed it
on the Macintosh using MPW.  MPW was a little difficult to deal with
(compared
to THINK C).  We then ported it to the PC using Borland C++ for Windows. 
This
quickly reminded us why we bought Macintoshes in the first place (MPW
isn't so
bad when put into perspective).

If you have any questions, send E-Mail to: emergent@aol.com

--Tom--
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: ph36@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk (phys 312))
Subject: Re: GA public domain s/ws
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.044647.2159@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>I am interested to have the ftp addresses where public
>domain Genetic Algorithms implementations are available.

>V R Kumar

Try ftp.aic.nrl.navy.mil in the /pub/galist director.   I think
you can find the source code, in C, for a genetic algorithm program
called GENESIS, it is very nice.

Richard Nistuk (physics 4th year)
ph36@unixg.ubc.ca
nistuk@troll.physics.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: R13552@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Taylor Cheng)
Subject: ROBOT PING-PONG CHAMPIONSHIPS
Organization: Motorola
Date: 28 Sep 1992 22:02:55 HKT


The 1992 Robot Ping-pong World Championships was held in Hong Kong in
Sept 28 (Sun). Four teams from Hong Kong, England, Switzerland, and
Sweden competed and results are as follows :-

World Championships: "BATMAN", Institute of Robotics, ETH, Switzerland,
first runner-up    : "CHARLIE V", Highbury College, Portsmouth, England,
second runner-up   : "Citybat 1", City Polytechnic of Hong Kong,
third runner-up    : "GIRL", Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden.

I was one of the audience and was very impressed by their performances.
Conceivably, the four teams should have (or will) published some of their
research findings in technical journals. Could anyone tell me where I can
find those publications?I am particularly like to know what learning/
training techniques have the four teams employed.
Best Regards, Taylor
(R13552@paccvm.mot.corp.com)
From: mgcbo@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles B. Owen)
Subject: Re: Request for ANN & GA assignments in C++
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:09:44 GMT

I can make some NN suggestions.  Since you wish to write 3 C++ programs
in neural networks and this is a minimal course (you do not need
anything very elaborate or general), you should implement a simple 
Interactive Activation and Competition model first.  This is a simple,
non-learning architecture that is a good introduction to the idea of
weights and activations.  Next, I would implement the Backprop model
for the XOR problem.  That's pretty classic and well understood.  
Finally, I would implement the BP model for a more complex network,
possibly a recurrent net or maybe just an 8:3:8 encoder/decoder.  These
would make nice problems for a class.

A good source of information for the above, complete with example
code in C is Explorations in Parallel Distributed Processing by
James L. McClelland and David E. Rumelhart.  It comes with working
software so you have a base to compare against.

If you are doing this in C++, you should do it right.  A neural is
an object, as is a weight.  Derive a class for Backprop neurons.
Make the entire network an object.  I have such a package in development
in C++ that I am using for my own research.  Any questions, feel free
to email me.

Good Luck
Charles Owen

Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.,comp.misc.,comp.ai.shells
From: salomon@seas.gwu.edu (Alicia Lee Salomon)
Subject: Knowbots
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:21:17 GMT

I would like to obtain information on knowbots, including who is working on 
prototype projects and any available reference.

I am posting this for David R. Skeen, so please send all e-mail to him but
at my address (salomon@seas.gwu.edu).  Thank you very much.


-- 
| Machines take me by surprise with  |     A. Lee Salomon
| great frequency.    - Alan Turing  |     salomon@seas.gwu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu
From: sdhar@uceng.UC.EDU (Suman Dhar)
Subject: test
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:46:10 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu,comp.ai
From: sdhar@uceng.UC.EDU (Suman Dhar)
Subject: test
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:49:20 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu,comp.ai,comp.edu,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.prolog,comp.robotics
Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu
Subject: test
From: sdhar@uceng.UC.EDU (Suman Dhar)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:09:48 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

This is a test

Newsgroups: comp.ai.edu,comp.ai,comp.edu,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.prolog,comp.robotics
From: cisneros@cs.ucf.edu (Jaime E. Cisneros)
Subject: parallel or distributed knowledge bases
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:54:04 GMT

Hello everyone,
             I think that my prior message was damaged somehow,
but anyway, here it goes again.  I would like to know if
there is anyone out there who has some references to papers 
about parallel or distributed knowledge bases.  If someone
can help, I will appreciate it very much.

  Jaime Cisneros

P.S. Please send any information to cisneros@cs.ucf.edu.

Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.neural-nets
From: eadengle@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Ed "Cynwrig" Dengler)
Subject: Re: Why not have a group for Genetic Algorithms?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:38:27 GMT

Greetings to all on the net!

In article <1992Sep30.165346.6109@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> th2_oate@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Tom Oates) writes:
>If someone started up a newsgroup for Genetic Algorithms, I
>would certainly subscribe and start posting. I think that there
>are a lot of men and women out there who are interested in the
>subject of GAs. 
>
>-- 
>**************************************************************************** 
>* Tom Oates (Bristol Poly, England)  * DISCLAIMER:I speak only for myself. * 
>* JANET: th2_oate@csd.brispoly.ac.uk * PGP 2.0 Key available upon request. *
>****************************************************************************

I cannot understand why there is always an insistance on starting a new
newsgroup at the drop of a pin (I am not picking on Tom Oates in particular,
just that this was the nth message I had seen, and I just had to post). There
is a perfectly good mailing list that is maintained about genetic algorithms,
which I find much more convenient to read than newsgroups (there is a MUCH
higher signal-to-noise ratio than in most unmoderated newsgroups).

To subscribe, I quote out of the GA-List mail message:

	Send submissions to GA-List@AIC.NRL.NAVY.MIL
	Send adminstrative requests to GA-List-Request@AIC.NRL.NAVY.MIL

So to subsribe, please send a "PLEASE SUBSCRIBE ME" type message to the
GA-List_Request address.

Thanks (for listening to my rantings and ravings),
Ed

PS. If there is such a large interest in a fuzzy logic group, why not try
    to find someone to administrate a Fuzzy-List mailing list. If enough
    people subscribe, then there might be an argument to actually creating
    a news group.

Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: Tom Santos <tom_santos@taligent.com>
Subject: Re: A-Life : Resources?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EA33E33102C10E@toms-quadra.taligent.com>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:36:03 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:36:06 GMT

A-Life : Resources?

I work for a company called Emergent Behavior and we have a commercial
product
called MicroGA.  It's a C++ framework available for the Mac and PC.  If
you
would like, we could send you a demo disk with a program that solves
travelling
salesman problems.

Replies to: emergent@aol.com

--Tom--
From: rajeev@Ra.MsState.Edu (Rajeev Agarwal)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Need references on 'procedural information'
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:39:16 GMT
Reply-To: rajeev@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Mississippi State University


I need some help in finding references on the representation of 'procedural 
information'.  I am working on the Merck Veterinary Manual and we have several 
instances where they describe the procedure to be used to treat the animal.  
It looks something like this:

	" ... give the dog 1.1 ml of medication A for three days.
	 If the eyes turn red, then try 2.2 ml of medication B...."

I want to come up with a representation structure for such information.
It is evident that in representing such information, we get into a complex 
interaction between conditional and temporal information (the example here
is a simple one compared to what we actually have in the manual).  

I am trying to look for some references on such stuff that say how other 
people may have tried to do similar things.  Please let me know if you are 
aware of any.  

In case you know someone else who might be able to help me, please forward 
this message to them.  

Thanks.  

Rajeev Agarwal
Mississippi State University
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: lse@dxcern.cern.ch (Lionel Sacks)
Subject: groups for GA/fuzzy/ai..
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Distribution: comp.ai
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:41:05 GMT

Hi,
 I'm a bit of a neophyte to the AI world, so this is more of a question 
than a comment. Please understand, I am just trying to find my feet.
 It has struck me, in recent times, that AI is possibly approaching (or is in) 
a second renaissance. The first came with the advent of computers and 
languages capable of handling complicated logical rule based systems and a
strong (post Turing) development of the concept of algorithms.
 The second renaissance seems to be in the development of the notion
that information processing may not always be algorithmic (trying not
to beg the question of what Thinking is!, and using the term broadly).
This manifests in techniques like; connectionist systems (NNs), 
Genetic Algorithms, Fuzzy Logics, Multi-valued logics etc.
 Combine the above with the strong advances which have been made in
our ability to build large complicated models (OO techniques) and don't
discard the more established techniques (graphs, monit-Carlo etc) and
one has a phenomenonly strong tool box with which to tackle both; real
life 'expert' problems of control and analysis, and purer academic
questions of simulating thought processes. I am in no way being
pejorative, ammeter psychologist that I am. Note that no academic
subject has a fixed brief, only a region of interest, often with many
moving goal posts.
 Is that crazy thinking? If not, it would be a shame, maybe, to put
the fuzzy and genetic news groups outside of the comp.ai.. line. (so I
would like comp.ai.fuzzy, comp.ai.ga etc) I know there are always limits, and
by following this line one could subsume a lot of material. Never the
less...

Sorry if that was a little long,
Regards,
		Lionel Sacks.
From: bhotvedt@gollum.uio.no (Tor Houghton)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Bibliography for the POP-11 language
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:54:02 GMT
Followup-To: comp.ai
Organization: ArcEmpire

Thank you all for the extensive information! I do not have time to reply to
you all, but I can assure you I am pleased!

Cheers,

Tor.
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: tbc@col.hp.com (Tim Chambers)
Subject: Re: RFI: U of TX "CYC" Project
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:42:18 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division (PL 17)

> This is a request for information about the "CYC" project headed by Greg
> Lenat.

Oops.  That's Doug Lenat.
              ^^^^

Thank you all for the responses.  I have the information I was seeking.
Newsgroups: comp.ai