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From: mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:04:01 GMT

In article <BzBr8p.Fyo@news.udel.edu> krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:
>
>I think that only applies to loose ends that he himself wrote and was forced
>to abandon.  He was the original writer on QUESTPROBE before it was cancelled
>(at issue #3, no less).
>

I'm not about to hold Gruenwald responsible for the slaughtering of the
characterizations of Marvel's Cosmic Hierarchy, which is something he has
tried to correct lately....

>
>Only if they seal off the New Universe for good.  That's all I ask.
>

I don't mind so much as long as we get some good stories out of it,
personally.

>Byrne's final explanation was still an incredibly lame one.  "It went back in 
>time and created itself."  I hope Gruenwald can come up with something better 
>than that.  I think Byrne deliberately left it ambiguous so that the next
>writer can do whatever he wants.  Hopefully Gruenwald has something both
>spectacular and coherent in mind.


I'm not certain Byrne had any ideas there would be a next writer as the
New Universe line died pretty quickly.  :)


Mick 


-- 
Mickey McCarter, amateur actor & reporter     mickey@chopin.udel.edu  __
"I'll make your business my business."		Forever reading      / |	
"You wouldn't want my business, the pay's            The Fantastic  /__|_ 
too small." -  Phil Marlowe, _The Big Sleep_                           | 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Eclipse in Prospective Legal Boondoggle
Summary: Don't hold your breath for the next issue of Miracleman
Keywords: Mass Murderers
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:53:02 GMT

I heard on the radio yesterday that a man (I use that word loosely) who is
accused of killing seven women in Washington and California is suing Eclipse
because he says the Mass Murderer trading cards "made him do it."

----

As I've said before, I don't argue Cat's right to publish the things, but
getting mixed up in something like this is just the sort of reason (besides
aesthetic matters and generally keeping my lunch down) that I wouldn't
get anywhere near a project like those trading cards.

[Instead, I would pay Scott McCloud a 5.3 bazillion dollars to publish
 four issues of ZOT! a year for the rest of his life.  Yup, yup, yup.]

                           "Peter Parker's parents packed a piece? Were
                            papered coppers?"
                                           -- Kieran Mullen
---
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Do we need a rec.arts.comics.sandman?
Keywords: Dammittall!
Reply-To: mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:03:02 GMT

Okay....based on the amount of traffic devoted entirely to Sandman in this 
newsgroup, I think there is no question that a subgroup is needed. I'll 
present some points to consider, then I'll present my solution, then I'll
write my flamebait. Enjoy.

Relevant things to consider for a new subgroup:

Would the subgroup generate enough traffic?

As things are now, Sandman generates *more* than enough traffic to justify
a subgroup. An important question is: "Will Sandman *continue* to generate 
enough traffic even after the series ends. My answer: Nobody knows. None of
of us can predict the future, but based on past NET expirience (Twin Peaks,
et al.) I'd say that it is likely that Sanddman will *not* generate traffic 
after it ends, hence rec.arts.comics.sandman will serve no great purpose.

BUT....something like r.a.c.vertigo might be usefull. I do *not* want to
get into a debate about new comics lines/imprints/etc. (although we would
have to if rac.vertigo was taken seriously). There has been enough traffic
ddeddicated to Swamp Thing, Sandman, Doom Patrol, Hellblazer in the past 
year to justify a rac.v .


Here comes the flame bait. This is all MHO, so flame me with this in mind.

Those who think that Sandman doesn't need its own group are kidding themselves.
I hate digging through old News subjects to back up my statistics but I know
trends when I see them. *right* now there may be a large number of posts
about Doomsday, or black comics, and maybe the sandman/vertigo posts are fewer 
in number, but if you look at *last* years posts the number of vertigo/sandman
posts will still be about what it is this month.

The (future) titles of the vertigo line have demonstrated their staying power.
If you doubt this, just look at the number of times that ancient Swamp Thing
storylines have been brought up in the past two weeks. Or Hellblazer, or Sandman.

I'm starting to sense that some people *don't* want a rac.sandman or rac.vertigo
because of the 'stigma' of a subgroup (like xbooks). This angers me (as much
as anything on the Net can) because the only relevant argument about newgroups
is whether there is enough traffic or not.

babble babble babble.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:24:47 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <71830@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I once had a few fellow pros over at my house, and I mentioned Usenet to
>them.  They were interested in seeing it.  So I logged on and started
>running through various headers.  Naturally the people involved wanted
>to read about those headers that applied directly to their own work.
>
>The threads were, almost uniformly, vicious, sniping, mean-spirited and
>arrogant.  
>
>Oddly enough, no one in that group was interested in opening up their
>own account.

Would it be asking too much for some of the names of these people?

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: wfuller@latech.edu (William G. Fuller)
Subject: Trivia Question
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:13:04 GMT

I have a comic trivia question that I hope someone can answer.  Yes,
it's a question from a subscription company and yes I could win
something with the correct answer, assuming my name is drawn.  But
seeing as how I've gotten the answers right for the last 6 months
and have won nothing it's doubtful. 

Anyway, here's the question:

In what film was the question posed, "If Superman and Might Mouse
got into a fight who would win?"

If there are other people who order there comics from the same
subscription company and don't know the answer, drop me EMAIL and
I'll tell you.  That's assuming I find out.

Please respond via EMAIL to wfuller@engr.latech.edu

Thanks,

William
From: aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sin, Gaiman defend Spawn,Image
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:58:23 GMT
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Then I got a phone call from Todd the next day, saying would I write one? 
>Basically what he said was, the critics have been on his back about the 
>writing. He said people have been bitching about the quality of the writing in
>the Image comics and so on and so forth, and he for one wanted to do something
>about it. So he figured he'd go out and get some award-winning, good
writers to
>write something. 

Now this is great. Usually, when I've talked to artists who write their
own comics, they've been pretty adamant that getting a writer to
write-or at least look at the artist's writing--would just corrupt the
"creative purity" of the book, critics be damned. I'm glad McFarlane is
listening to his fans and is willing to put his ego aside for the sake
of producing quality comics.  
> 
>So what do I do at this point? I have two options; either I take a moral stand
>and say, no, Image comics have bad writing, and therefore I will not write
>an episode, or I could do something to improve it. And it was sort of like...
>well, OK. Yeah, fine, I have no moral objections to a well-written Image comic
>. What the hell, they are creator owned things, there is a million times less
>compromise than the Marvels and stuff.. yeah, sure. So his attitude was
>basically, you have carte blanche. I will draw it but that's as far as
it goes,
>you have complete and utter carte blanche...

Have they decided what issue of SPAWN Neil Gaiman will write?




Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:10:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

Here's what I look forward to:

Valiant:  Archer & Armstrong (NOT your standard superhero junk.)
	  Solar
	  X-O Manowar

Image: 	  Spawn
	  Savage Dragon
	  Wildcats
	  Cyberforce  (I liked this one.)
	
DC:	  Sandman
	  Heckler  (I'm still mad at DC for cancelling this)

Marvel:	  Spider-Man 2099
	  Hulk (I've fallen behind by a few issues, tho)

NEC:	  The Tick  (THE BEST.  PERIOD.)

Dark Horse: Next Men.

Innovation:  Quantum Leap  (kinda limited by short stories, but still good)


	--MikE...looking forward to vacation.  YEAH!

-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Batman: Bane
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:04:49 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1kk2lgq@rpi.edu>, chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang S. Chin -- Kid Klaxon) writes:
> I haven't heard too much about this Bane stuff going on in the Batman
> titles...so what gives?  Sounds like a new way to boost sales, so I
> figure that Bane is going to appear throughout the various Batman
> titles being a pain in the butt.  We already know that he'll be going
> after Killer Croc (who I thought was dead, but I guess no one really
> ever stays dead).
> 
> At any rate, Vengeance of Bane wasn't all that bad.  The basic idea
> is nothing new, but I'd have to say it was done fairly well for
> something so hackneyed.  Any reactions?


I've been enjoying all of the Batman titles lately.  All three writers
on the books I enjoy very much.  Alan Grant and Doug Moench have proven
their Batman writing ability, and I've been a fan of Chuck Dixon since
his Airboy and Racer X days.  So although there is an excesive amount
of Batman on the shelves, I feel in no way overwhelmed by it.

Bane was a good story although a more resolute ending would have been nice.
Batman's been getting a lot of new supporting cast members lately, the
latest being Azrael and Bane.  I trust the Bat-creators not to go
Bat-crazy with too many Bat-characters.  Hope they don't disappoint me.

Mark Balbes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:21:20 GMT

cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:

>Darn...see, I was hoping for some neato-skeato answer...cause it seems
>like an awfully big hole...I mean, if Death had to collect Burgess,
>she would have seen Dream there, and who knows what would have
>happened?

Burgess had a heart attack in front of the globe, but didn't
necessarily die there.  They catch him and then might have taken him
upstairs, where he'd have finished croaking.


later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com   dhawk@sybase.com
"The chain which can be yanked is not the eternal chain." 
             -- Gordon Fitch
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: LNH: Hello?  Anybody out there?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:31:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1gmicfINN28k@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:
>Meanwhile, somewhere at UNH, Pliable Lad sleeps till noon...
>	--MikE...hey, *I'm* going to do it!

And I did, too!  ;)

	--MikE...I'm my own follow-up. >;-)

-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:18:11 GMT

Just a list, no explanations, I'm feeling taciturn tonight:
(no particular order)

Dave Sim
Neil Gaiman
Grant Morrison
Jamie Delano
Gerard Jones (okay, I'll explain this one, since so many of you
	seem to utterly loathe him: I have never become more emotionally 
	involved in a comic story than I did in almost every issue of
	El Diablo. Since then, Jones' work has been uneven, but I think
	GL: Mosaic is a brilliant experiment, and I'm delighted at the 
	humanity he has brought to the characters of JLE (go ahead and 
	flame--I might respond or I might not). On the other hand, I 
	tried to read an issue of Wonder Man the other day and didn't
	get past about page 4).
Matt Wagner (I do *not* find War Child boring at all)
Roger Stern
Peter Milligan
Kelley Puckett (not much out, but I've thoroughly enjoyed every story
	of his I've read)
Alan Brennert
Paul Levitz
John Ostrander (not always a winner, but consistently above-average; his
	name is enough to get me to try a book, not necessarily to commit
	to it)
Alan Moore

Honorable Mentions:
Len Strazewski for The Fly
Peter David for Star Trek, Atlantis Chronicles
George Perez for the first 24 issues of Wonder Woman
J.M. DaMatteis for the first 2r issues of Dr. Fate
William Messner-Loebs for some issues of Flash and Dr. Fate
Dwayne McDuffie for Demon 26-29
Keith Giffen for the early issues of JLI, Heckler, Eclipso
Tom & Mary Bierbaum are exceptional dialoguers, but mediocre plotters
Chris Claremont for X-Men up to about #175
Max Allan Collins for Ms. Tree (*not* Wild Dog)

and now, how about...
The WORST writers!

Gerry Conway (later issues of Firestorm, LSH run...I could go on...)
Dan Jurgens
Roy Thomas and his WWII fixation
Robert Loren Fleming (Valor SUCKS and it shouldn't)
Tom Veitch
Marv Wolfman (not always, just recently...)
Paul Kupperberg
Mike Collins (I *tried* to read Thunderbolt, I really did...)
Grant Miehm (four words: Legend of the Shield)
Steve Englehart (three words: Millennium, New Guardians. Although he did
	have some excellent Batman and Green Lantern stories in earlier
	years)
Jim Owsley
Rob Liefeld, of course
Dan Mishkin

cheers,
	ast
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: Anyone want SD for the Christmas Break?  
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:30:29 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Anyone  who can't get alt.comics.lnh who hasn't read 
the series Sieze Dangerous can get me to Email it to 
them if they want...  Since it is the holidays and 
all, some are taking stories home for the holidays.
If that interests you send me a message and I can 
mail it off to  you.   Santa wReam!

				wReam...
				SL859@cc.usu.edu
				Ultimate Ninja of LNH!

P.S.  Seasons Greetings!  :)
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Flash 73:  SPOILERS!!!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 06:11:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Major spoilers involved here...



The only thing that occurs to me is that it's unlikely that Barry Allen
has popped up through time-travel powers.  Why?  Well, just because if
that was true, then if they were going to keep him around for any length
of time (which you KNOW they're going to want to do sooner or later, if
not right now) then they're going to have to allow the writers to have
him popping back and forth through time with impunity.  Now, I know it
seems like they want to un-do a lot of what John Byrne did for Superman,
but I thought that time-travel, move-the-world-out-of-its-orbit stuff
was some of the silly stuff DC was trying to get rid of in its comics?
Why would they turn around and bring it back for the Flash?

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:00:09 GMT

>>Who are the favorite comic book artists of the people out on the net and why?

Oops!  I forgot a few:
Chuck Vess
Mike Mignola
Hempel & Wheatley

And the ever popular Much More!

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Subject: Re: Attn: Greg Pallenik   (Was Re: Professional Comic Opinion Wanted -- PAD, if you're out the
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:58:42 GMT

In article <Bz96xs.Hsz@cs.dal.ca>, castle@cs.dal.ca writes:

|> |> Mr David
|> |> you haven't printed you TBC address in you BID column lately,
|>
|> TBC address ?

oops ... TBC is "To Be Continued".  I can't believe I forgot that.

kicking himself,
 	Julian Castle
 
 ///////
   o-o /
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.superman.dead,alt.death-of-superman
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Bibbowski and Sooperman
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:58:29 GMT

In article <1ghu8vINNhv9@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> drayer-rebecca@yale.edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>OK, I've got a question for all you long-time Superman fans.  I just
>recently started reading comics by DC (usually I stick to Marvel and some
>independent titles), and I keep seeing this guy Bibbowski saying that
>Superman is his "fav'rit".  Is there a reason for this that was stated in
>a previous issue?

In the post-CRISIS Superman titles, Bibbo was first introduced as a
tough-talking guy in a bar, who thought the Superman was nothing but a
pansy. WHen he fianlly met with Superman, and proved to be no match for
him, he decided that "Sooperman" wasn't such a bad guy after all. He pops
up now and again, and has proved to be a pretty decent character.

(Oh, sure, if you HAVE to, go ahead and flame me. This was so long ago,
and I haven't read Superman titles in so long, I'm bound to be wrong...)

Jay (=
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo of the Lamp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:34:37 -0600
Organization: Scheherezade Stories Inc
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
> Actually, the question should be "Why is PAD the only artist/writer on the
> net?"  Peter, are you a closet computer nerd?  Considering Tony Isabella was
> willing to give you his last name, why don't you give him a usenet account?
> Then we can send him get well soon email.

	Uh, because Peter is willing to pay Portal the big buck$ necessary
to get Usenet access, and other writers and artists are unwilling or unable
to spend like that?
	Peter, when you next talk to Tony, wish him Usenet's collective
best, please.
	For those who don't follow CBG, Tony Isabella is going in to 
surgery tomorrow for gallbladder problems which have plagued him this
fall.  In addition, his youngest daughter has had some serious medical
emergencies (I'm not clear on just what) which fortunately seem to have
passed.
	Tony, incidentally, doesn't want get-well-soon cards; he wants
cards which fill in the blank:
	"If Tony Isabella dies on the operating table, he will come back
as ______"  [summarized]
	He promises extra points for entries which use some variation on
the "My Mother The Car" theme song.
	Unfortunately, I don't seem to have his address handy.  Tyg?
-- 
"Stop crime at its source!  Support Planned Parenthood."                       
--Robert Byrne                                                                 
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:43:45 GMT

In article <1gb274INNmb1@transfer.stratus.com> hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.014517.25421@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
> Okay, spoiler alert for those who don't have your comics yet...
(Hope the ^L works) 
> Well, we now know why Quase got that new chest symbol so long ago...Mark had 
> always intended him to trade in the Q-bands for the Starbrand.  Quasar now 
> wields that funky New U tattoo.  But...so does Kayla!  Wha'happen?  Did it 
> clone itself?  Have kids? Split in two parts each with less power?  Or was 
> there a Starbrand in the Marvel U that was attracted to its opposite number?


As I recall from the old Starbrand book, the power could be transfered to another.
For a time the 'doner' would be without the power, but eventually it would build
up in them again.  Leaving 2 people with the full power of the Starbrand.

	Henry Garcia

Well, not quite.  Giving the Starbrand to another granted the recipient 90%
of the power, and left the donor with a non-transferrable (ie it will never 
leave you) 10% of the power.  So Kayla has 90% of the StarBrand, and Quaze 
has only 10%.  Of course, that's 10% of infinite power, which is stil...
infinite power...

When this was being used in the new universe, my mathematically minded 
friends decided to try and figure out just how much of infinity was being
passed on each time.  Since the Starbrand technically rejoined in the 
final issue of Starbrand, we have to start from scratch.  The guy in the NU
has 10% of this one, giving Quaze 90%, 90% of which he gave to Kayla, leaving
him with 9% of the original power.  So Kayla has 81% of ULTIMATE POWER (TM).
Let's see what she does with it...
-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...