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From: ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji")
Subject: unld?(symbol restorer)
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: zoo.cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Shagaku, WASEDA University, Tokyo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:38:16 GMT

Hello, I had thought the absence of name list meant lost hope as far
as object file fix, but it dawned on me that dynamically linked
object file must have a table of external symbols that are to be linked
from library files at execution time. And there is!! it comes after
the symbol name __DYNAMIC.
Is there anyone who would kindly teach me how to find out where an
external label registered after __DYNAMIC points to in the object file?
I think there must be a way to reconstruct a symbol table(name list)
of externally referenced library symbols.
Is anyone  willing to teach me the data structure of a dynamically
linked object file?

Thanks in advance.
Tsuji
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				ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:19:46 GMT

>>Well, that happens when `.' is not the first dir in your path.  :-)

I don't run with . in my path *at all*.  Tcsh, though, can automagically
migrate . to the end of the path.

>My shell happens to be the Korn shell, but other shells have a built-in
>"test" command as well (both the Bourne shell in SunOS [345].x, and the
>version of the Bourne-again shell we have here, have a built-in "test"
>command, and give the exact same behavior).

HPUX, as I remember, doesn't have a /bin/test, and I think I remember that
their sh or csh didn't have a builtin.  Grrrr.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: WordPerfect  5.1 on SunSparc WorkStation
From: lichtner@bashful.cnwra.swri.edu (Peter Lichtner, lichtner@rory.cnwra.swri.edu, (210) 522-6084)
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:11:51 CST
Reply-To: lichtner@bashful.cnwra.swri.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: CNWRA

I am writing to find out the experience of others using WordPerfect 5.1
X-windows on the SUN. I am running an IPX machine with 64MB, using SunOS 4.1.2under Openwindows. My work involves writing reports, perhaps on the order
of 100 pages, which contain on the average one or two mathematical
equations per page. Graphics and tables are also required inserted in the
text. I also need to exchange documents I produce with our secretary who
uses a 486 DOS version of WP. Finally I am required to use WP by our
sponsors, who also use it on DOS 486 machines. I can only have one machine
on my desk--and a workstation is a necessity for my daily number crunching
work.

In a brief encounter with WP, I have found it to be extremely sluggish and
unwieldly. It's usually impossible or difficult to get the cursor in the
right place without a couple of mouse clicks as the screen goes through
gyrations of refreshing. And the refresh time seems to take forever.
Everytime a save is made a refresh of the screen takes place.
Scrolling to the bottom of a large file is another impossible task. By the
time you get down there you forget what it is you were doing.

Equations are another story in WP. To insert one inline equation requires
16 mouse clicks! That means to insert say the letter alpha in the text
requires running through oodles of boxes and menus. Why not just change
fonts to the symbol font? Because then the style of symbols inline and
in displayed equations is different. And after all that work the equations
don't even look good. Finally it doesn't seem possible to reuse an equation
and edit it to some new form. They have to be typed in from scratch each
time.

Being one that likes to compose on the computer directly, WP presents an
impossible situation. By the time I have done all the necessary mouse
clicks, screen refreshes... I forgot what I wanted to say!
The general consensus among my colleagues here is that WP in its present
form is unusable. Is it possible that something is wrong with our
installation? Can anyone tell me if this situation is particular to
our system or if it is experienced by others. And if not,
is the situation expected to change--soooon?

BTW: Does anybody know of any other word processors for the SUN that
are usable?
 
Any and all comments are greatly appreciated. If this is an FAQ I
apologize for not having read them.

...Peter

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| Peter C. Lichtner  Southwest Research Institute           |
| 6220 Culebra Road, San Antonio, Texas 78238-5166 |
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From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:04:19 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <513@imp.HellNet.org> devil@HellNet.org (Gil Tene) writes:
>In article <AJR.93Jan22152852@pug.hri.com>, ajr@pug.hri.com (MFHorn) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan22.154400.23050@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
>> 
>> That's what I'm currently planning on doing.  If I could get an Sbus
>> SoundBlaster however, I'd consider selling my PC for an LX with SunPC...
>
>What would you want an Sbus SoundBlaster on an LX for?? It already
>has built-in 44.1Khz (CD quality) audio i/o...
>
Nope.  The LX already has built-in 16 bit 44.1Khz audio i/o.  It does
not, however, currently have CD quality audio.  Not even close.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.internals,comp.unix.wizards
From: raj@grok101.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Raj Gopalakrishna)
Subject: Re: lwp (threads) in SunOS kernel
Keywords: lwp, threads, SunOS, kernel
Organization: Your Organization Here
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:50:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.032813.10434@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jrm2k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Michel) writes:
|>  
|> A slew of questions come to mind:
|> Is this all a fluke?  Is there support (eg. a manual or commented header
|> file) for using threads in the kernel?  What differences exist between the
|> threads at the kernel level and at the user level?  Is it safe to use kernel
|> threads in a device driver?
|> 
|> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Jeff Michel  (jrm2k@Virginia.EDU)

	Though I don't know much about Sun OS, I have read articles in mags
about lwp of Sun. If I remember correct lwp is implemented totally outside
the kernel. There is no kernel support & hence the "threads" are not
truely "threads" in the traditional sense.
	
	There are some OS like LynxOS which provide both kernel & user-level threads. The user-level threads are implemented as per the specifications of Posix i.e. "pthreads". Lynx also supports kernel
threads and these can be used in device drivers etc. Infact, when I 
implemented Streams on LynxOS, I used a kernel thread for the Streams
Schedular !!
	The user-level threads are typically used by database servers.
I believe Sybase & Ingress both use "threads" to provide client-server
architecture, the details of which may not necessary for the current
discussion!!

-raj
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: ld problems in 4.1.3
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:58:59 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


I've got several programs which linked OK dynamic under 4.1.1.
Under 4.1.3 they show undefined symbols when linked dynamic but are
good when linked static.  I've applied patches 100170-09 and
100257-04, which I thought were supposed to fix this problem.
Can somebody help me wise up?
-- 
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haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Are SUN CDs still ufs or are the new ones ISO9660????
Keywords: SUN CD ufs ISO9660
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:18:08 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>What Guy is trying to politely say, is that when you get SunOS on CD
>from Sun, you get either RR format which you might not be able to
>handle, or tar files which are a *bitch* to handle.
>
>However, SunOS CD's from Auspex come as a ufs disk.  So if
>you accidently zap one file, you can mount the disk and grab the one
>file, rather than futzing with tar and other programs.

Well, actually, I was thinking more of CDs from organizations *other*
than vendors of machines that run SunOS, such as distribution media from
software vendors, assorted "grab bag of free software" CD-ROMs, etc.;
some of them may use ISO 9660 without Rock Ridge ("Be ready to attack
Rock Ridge at noon tomorrow!  Here's your badge."[*]), some of them may
use ISO 9660 with Rock Ridge, some may use UFS, and some may use
something else (although I suspect those who do CD-ROMs that they expect
UNIX systems to read won't use, say, some Mac System format).

[*] I had to check *all four* of the *Blazing Saddles* sampled sound
    files we have here to find a quote unlikely to be *too* Politically
    Incorrect....
From: brtmac@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: TCP programming with TLI
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:46:37 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: maverick.ksu.ksu.edu


I'm trying to learn how to do TCP programming with the TLI libraries.
I can connect to ports on machines, but most of the time when I try to
do a t_rcv() on them I get an error stating that there is an event
requiring attention, and when I do a t_look() I find that it is a
disconnect event.  I never get any data from the port.  I'm trying
to connect to ports like finger, daytime, netstat, systat, etc.

Thinks work fine on ports like chargen and echo which never close on
the server end.  On ports like netstat it works sort of okay, but the
output is being truncated.  And on ports like daytime which have very
little output, I never get anything.

Any hints or tips on TLI programming?  Is there something I'm missing.
If tried using the t_rcvdis() function, but TCP doesn't allow data to
be sent with disconnect requests so there's no help there.
-- 
Brett McCoy -- Computing and Network Services, Kansas State University
"There's nothing like slapping a piece of cardboard on your head and
 wearing a dress to make you feel like you've accomplished something."
                                   -- me (immediately after graduation)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam)
Subject: Does SUN support SS7 links to telephone switch?
Reply-To: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:49:55 GMT


Currently, HP ships workstation 9000/800 series  which supports
SS7 links to telephone switches. Does SUN have anything like
that? Any info/comments are welcome.

Regards,
Hayward



---------------------------------------------------------
Hayward Lam
email:hlam@bnr.ca

People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be,
not what you nag them to be. 
                                          by Scudder Parker
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: kobet@xsun2a.ct.picker.com (Harry J Kobetitsch)
Subject: Killing Motif Applications on Sun
Organization: Picker International, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:58:57 GMT

I am trying to kill a Motif application by double clicking on the
top leftmost button. The application disappears but when doing a
ps -alx I still find that the application running. This is
running on a Sun SPARCstation IPX with Motif 1.1.4 installed.

Does anyone have some insight on this ?

Thanks...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: benny@csoc.COM (Benny Clark)
Subject: Are there SNA 3270 keyboard maps available for Type 5 kbds?
Organization: CAD Systems of Carolina
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:23:05 GMT

If you know, please email me.

Thanks,

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: FPUless 4/110's (was: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: ...)
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:07:29 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara
Originator: news@auspex-gw.Auspex.COM

>Can't rememberif I asked you this in email, but let's get this public:
>
>I have a thing labeled "FPU".. but no weitek 1164/5 chips. Is my machine
>essentially "without fpu"?!!

Possibly.  When run on our 4/280, which *does* have an FPU, my
"whichiufpu" command reports:

	IU is Fujitsu MB86900/1A or LSI Logic L64801
	FPU is Fujitsu MB86910 (1-4)/Weitek WTL1164/1165

The stuff on the FPU comes from a version of the SPARC V8 architecture
manual I had; I think it means that the FPU consists of:

	1) a Fujitsu MB86910 floating-point controller chip;

	2) Weitek chips, controlled by that chip, which do the
	   arithmetic under the MB86910's control.

I don't remember whether Sun left out *all* the chips, or just the
Weitek chips, in an FPUless machine.

Try writing a floating-point-intensive program which calls no library
routines (other than possibly "exit()"), and running it under "time". 
If "time" reports a large system time, it means your machine is probably
FPUless; the system time is the time spent by the kernel emulating the
floating-point instructions.

Or try writing code that fetches the FPSR, and see what the FPU version
number is.  If it's 7, you have no FPU.

Or try running "whichiufpu" (I posted it to some groups a while ago;
I'll mail the source if you don't have it); it should tell you what FPU
you have, if any.  (NOTE: it runs only under SunOS 4.x; I haven't
bothered 5.x-ifying it, and may bother doing so, given that the SVR4
SPARC ABI doesn't specify where in the "ucontext" structure the PSR is,
so my hack for prying the PSR value out of the kernel would be
OS-version-dependent.)
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Can "normal" users mount under Solaris
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:19:39 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Laboratories

In article 1@sdl.ug.eds.com, lorena@sdl.ug.eds.com writes:
|>In article <HIRT.93Jan23210226@itsnova.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>, hirt@itsnova.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Markus Hirt) writes:
|>> In article <C15usz.L0t@intcorp.mn.org> jdf@intcorp.mn.org (Joel D. Flatt) writes:
|>> 
|>>>   Under SunOS 4.X I was able to allow non-root users to mount and umount
|>>>   filesystems by having them execute the [u]mount command in a shell 
|>>>   script where the owner of the script is root and the setuid bit is set.
|>>>   This does not appear to work for Solaris 2.1.  
|>> 
|>> It is generally 'unsecure' to have shellscripts setuid root. So it might be
|>> possible that setuid for scripts was disabled in Solaris. You may try
|>> to write a little C program doing the same as your shellscript and
|>> setuid the executables of this one.
|>> 
|>> Markus
|>> 
|>
|>don't suppose you'd like to write it for me?!
|>

Why re-invent the wheel?

There is a package called mntdisk that was distributed on
the net some time ago that provides utilities to mount/unmount
floppies, cd's, optical disks, etc. All compiled C code.

Use archie to find an ftp site.

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DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
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From: eharding@uk.oracle.com (Edward Harding)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Amusing Sun Anecdote
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:30:55 GMT
Reply-To: eharding@uk.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle UK
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


One episode I recall reading about a few years go related to problems
with the `on' command (apart from the obvious).  

It turns out that in order to maintain the current environment,
running `on' could cause filesystems to be implicitly mounted from
the remote host onto the /tmp directory on the local host.  Usually
the remote filesystems were unmounted as soon as the `on' command
finished, but sometimes were left mounted if things got messed up
somehow.

The real problems arose for those sysadmins who wrote root crontab
scripts performing particularly enthusiastic recursive removals of 
any junk in /tmp ... resulting in filesystems being deleted apparently 
at random, literally overnight.

As I say this was all some time ago - I may have some of the details
confused.  Anybody interested in the details might want to look in
the `SunSpots' archives for 1988-89.  I think the thread was
called `The Simplest Little Hack...'

Ed.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: awills@wam.umd.edu (Andrew F. Wills)
Subject: Re: Boot Tapes on a SPARC
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:12:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.120135.23688@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>detlev@dbha.toppoint.de (Detlev Habicht) writes:
>
>>karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk (karl) writes:
>
>>>Is it possible to make a SunOS boot tape for a Sparc IPC/IPX, so that I can
>>>reload the OS without requiring a CD?  I know that this is no longer supported,
>>>so I guess my question is does anyone know the format of the boot tapes that
>>>it would boot from?
>
>>>Thanks.
>
>>I have the same question for a few weeks here. No one answers. I found only
>>a special tool to duplicate tapes.
>
>It's not just a question of making a tape, you'll need a tape-boot file.
>Sun no longer supplies us with one. I believe that you will only
>be able to find such a file for machines supported in SunOS 4.0.3 which
>is, if I recall correctly, the last SunOS that can be installed from tape.
>
>Casper

I just installed 4.1.1 from a tape on a 3/160.

Andy

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:10:37 GMT

fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.114542.29767@fulcrum.oz.au> paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham) says:
>: 
>: dank@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel R. Kegel) writes:
>: >whereas Solaris 2 is priced at $1000 or so.
>: 
>: The Solaris 2.1 CD-ROM for SPARCstations in AUSTRALIA is AUD$100. That's
>: about USD$67 at today's exchange rate (I don't know what the US list is).
>: With OpenWindows for $0.00.
>: Where do you get the $1000 from?

>That AUD$100 gets you a copy of the distribution media.  It doesn't buy
>you the legal right to actually install it on any machines.  For that
>you need to buy a Right To Use License (RTU for short) for each
>system.  Which costs several hundreds of dollars (US$600 leaps to mind
>but that is probably for 4.1.3).

And yet (the whole point...) this RTU is bundled with a SPARCstation. I know
that this does not represent the entire cost, and a set of manuals or the
answerbook will bump it up, too, but the original poster was comapring the
cost of Solaris 2 on SPARC hardware to a PC with MS-DOS.

This has been pointed out as a silly comparison. Believe it or not, the
original poster has emailed me saying approx. "But you can get 2 free x86
UNIXes".

Sorry, but that fact will not kill the SPARC workstation market, nor Solaris.
(see the subject line).

Windows/NT will not kill Solaris/SPARC until well after release (that's late
this year, _maybe_).

DOS/Windows on PCs has not killed/will not ever kill the SPARC/Solaris
market.

People do not buy on price alone.

People are happy to pay a premium for a system that can be guaranteed to
work.

-PaulR.
[my experience is as a Sun SE and a reseller, but not in the ECAD segment,
which is where the discussion started]
From: Jon_A_Tester@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: copying data from a streams mdule to user land (ioctl)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:42:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

I am developeing a streams based module on 4.1.1.
I need to copy data from my module to the user land process (ioctl call).
In standard streams (SVR3 and SVR4) this is done by sending a M_COPYOUT
messsage upstream.
I cannot find this message in the Sun 4.1.1 implementation.
Does anyone know how this is implemented on Sun computers?.

Any help would be welcomed

			Thanks

				Jon Tester
From: dryfo001@deneb.mc.duke.edu (James D Dryfoos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Conversion on .icon files to something MS Windows can handle?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:23:35 GMT
Reply-To: dryfo001@deneb.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke University Medical Center


Have some files that are part of Sun Net Manager.  The are the icons
and are name file.icon and file.iconmask
We would like to use these for some documentation purposes.
However, the program we want to use them in is a MicroSoft Windows
program.  The program will accept anything that you can get into the
clip board so I suspect gif, bmp, wmf ... will do.
Is there any program to make this conversion?

The data in the .icon file looks like:


/* Format_version=1, Width=64, Height=64, Depth=1, Valid_bits_per_item=16
 */
        0x0000, 0x07FF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0000, 0x0FFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0000, 0x1FFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0000, 0x3FFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0000, 0x7FFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0000, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0001, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0003, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0003, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0003, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
        0x0003, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFE, 0x0000,
 
 . . 

Thanks in advance.

--Jim


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mccauley@ecn.purdue.edu (Darrell McCauley)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2 vs Windows NT: Sun is losing the desktop on price
Organization: Ag Engineering Dept, Purdue University 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:51:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.202207.11113@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan22.215430.25053@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes:

|> >There are also questions about how the RTU is applied. The understanding I
|> >have is that the RTU is granted to the original purchaser of the machine,
|> >and is NOT transferrable if you sell the machine.

|> 	Can somebody confirm this please?  It would affect my perceived
|> resale value of older Sun equipment.  I remember a few years back when DEC

I asked my local Sun sales rep about this (after buying a lemon from 
a reseller), and he indicated the RTU was supposed to be transferred 
to me by the reseller.

I also asked someone at 800.usa.4sun and they indicated about the same
thing. She said that someone (?) could track down WHO had the RTU given 
the hostid, but she didn't know exactly who to refer me to (other that my 
local sales rep).
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