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From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:48:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



petrel@ac.dal.ca writes:


>>>Guessing from the guest list of the Woland's party, Bulgakov was also:
 
 >>You conviniently deleted my unbeatable example of Bulgakov's antisemitism
 >>and followed mr. Fedyunkin's way of sucking conclusions from a finger. But
 >>let's see. 

>Let's see first the conveniently deleted examples:
>(I will not comment on Shvonder from `Sobachje Serdtse' because, haven't 
>reading it, I do not know the context):

 Well, I agree, in "M&M" I found not such good examples as in "Sobachje
 Serdtse" and "Hanskaja Stavka". But I also warned that examples from 
 "M&M" hadn't been thought well enough. Nevertheless, Vlad pointed out
 that in "M&M", if you take descriptions of Joshua times, you'll find
 that all Jews in there appear to be vile.

>Let's see then how S.B. demolishes my arguments:
   
>Please, help the clueless person -- this last paragraph is humor, isn't it?
>If not, then you have a problem with consistency within a thread  -- you start
>answering the question by turning it into a (HILARIOUS) joke, and then you
>shift to serious argumentation. 

 How can I help you if the God couldn't?  However, I have no problem with 
 this thread. In fact, it's all a joke. From my point of view, it's rediculous
 to devide writers on "semit/antisemit" categories. So, I just picked up
 Bulgakov, who seemed to be the most appreciated writer on this net and
 showed (Yes, I did) that he was an antisemit. Some people argued that 
 he wasn't at all and some said that he just didn't like Jews (what a
 difference). For me it doesn't matter until I like writings. Furthermore,
 I don't care about somebodies personal national preferencies.  Although,
 I agree that writers can and will express them in their writings. 
 And it gets most rediculous when pople say something like this:
 
 nobby@milton.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov):
 
 "If you mean people like
 Acad. Tikhonov, Kostomarov, etc. then I don't buy it. I don't care
 about their scientific achievements since they are notorious 
 anti-Semites ..." 
 
 I laugh. Sorta "russophobic computer", isn't it? 'Cause it was built
 by the team of "notorious" russophobies. No, wait. What computer? 
 Those invented a couple of antisemitic mathematical formulas.
 
 Or somebody will refuse to read Dostoevsky because he was an antisemit.
 Who would suffer? Dostoevsky?
 
 Did I make myself clear?
 
>Or, perhaps, you have a short attention span. I advice less TV.

 I advice to keep advices for yourself.


>I remain

>		Your clueless

>				Piotr Trela
 
  Now you could get it.
  
  S.B.
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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:07:08 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1aaubdINN89i@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>>it is very often something between dinner and desert, IN USSR WE DID NOT BYE
>>POP-CORN IN THE MOVIES. Detail? Yes, but incredibly characteristic

>Where have you seen pop-corn in USSR? Lot's of people buy sunflower seeds,
>though.

Popcorn was being sold in the USSR, but only while Khrushev was in power.
From what my father told me, it was everywhere (the name was "vozdushnaya
kukuruza", BTW). 

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From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: ESTONIAN MINORITIES: statistics
Date: 29 Sep 1992 03:01:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au



>>
>> [various information ]
>>
>> Thankyou for the information, Tapani. As for your comment, the argument
>> in my post doesn't depend on statistics.(As I explained, it's a matter of
>legal
>> principle. Please reread the post carefully.)

>Please reread the statistics carefully before suggesting next time that the
>ethnic Estonians might represent a minority in Estonia.


I am not sure as to your competency in English. I made no such suggestion.


jw
From: nobby@carson.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CIS on Internet?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:40:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct6.014041.2968
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct6.010514.6093@nas.nasa.gov> bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross) writes:
>I couldn't ping or finger kremvax.hq.demos.su from here or a nearby
>university, but was able to from a NSF machine in San Diego. What's NFS?
>
>Bill Ross

I was able to finger @kremvax.hq.demos.su, @moscvax.hq.demos.su and
@jumbo.hq.demos.su from Brown University mainframe. BTW these three
accounts + vxitep.itep.msk.su (Inst. for Theoretical and Experimental
Physics in Moscow) seem to be the only addresses nslookup recognize.
However, I couldn't rlogin or FTP to vxitep.itep.msk.su though 
kremvax.hq.demos.su accepts even anonymous FTP.
Interesting enough, none of these can be fingered from the U. of Wash.
I received a request for talk from dvv@jumbo.hq.demos.su
(perhaps to admonish me against fingering others' computers) but
any attempt to talk dvv@jumbo.hq.demos.su failed with 'The socket
busy already' message or something of that kind.

Has anybody been able to talk to a *.su computer?

				Nobby (Vitaly Shmatikov)
				nobby@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Re: languages in ex-Soviet Union
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:37:11 GMT

In article <LEONID.92Oct5100136@tuna.uchicago.edu>, leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:
|> 
|> I've got nothing against Byelorussian presindent, I just wanna
|> say that the president of Kazakhstan - Nazarbaev - is a pretty
|> good guy as well.  
|> 
|> As far as I know, he never claimed that "Kazakhstan dl'a kazahov"
|> or something like that. And he keeps telling that all the people,
|> living in the republic - Kazakhs, Russians, Germans, Ukrainians 
|> etc. have equal rights and all. BTW, it looks like Kazakhstan 
|> still is the most stable place in xSU.
|> 
|> 
|> If somebody knows anything more on the subject than I do -
|> please post a note here...
|> 
|>  
   He never claimed as it's an non-written rule. I knew some students
   from Alma-Ata university and they told me a lot about non-kazakh
   educational discrimination at the university and the Academy of Sciences. 
   Kazakhstan is the most stable place as there exists a financial wall :
   if you know that your money will be delivered in more than 3 month
   to any other republic, will you try to make business in this way ?
   It takes much more time to get bank transfer from Kazakhstan to Russia
   than from any other country in the World, but the opposite is much quicker.
   It seems to me that it is a way of solving domestic financial problems
   being still in so cold "rouble space".

   Yury.
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From: ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits)
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:06:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.135454.28157@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:> 
>        Like "Ezhik v tumane" (Hedgehog in the Mist), "Skazka skazok"
> (Tale of tales ?) or "Obratnaya storona luny" (Backside of the Moon).
>                                                ^^^^^^^^

As a person who cares a lot about spelling, grammar, and related stuff,
next time you better use the term "DARKSIDE of the Moon". It goes for
the mentioned astronomical object in elaborated PhD-style English.
 
Primite i proch.,
                              Sergei
From: victor@ivory.bgu.ac.il (Bolotnikov Victor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Stishok...
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:37:55 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel




Boys, kakoy-to nehoroshiy chelovek udalil stishok pro krokodila
(v odnoimennom razdele). Ya byl by ochen' blagodaren avtoru toy
publikacii, esli on prishlet mne ego text.
					 victor@ivory.bgu.ac.il
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From: Alexei.Strounine@nd.edu (Alexei Strounine)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:51:07 GMT

In article <1ahs55INNg86@mizar.usc.edu> miwalker@mizar.usc.edu  
(Michael Walker) writes:
->  I have been following this debate over the relative merits and 
-> demerits of the educational systems in the U.S. and xU.S.S.R., and 
-> had a question I'd like to
->  throw open to some of the Soviet educated people who post here.  
-> How prevalent is cheating in academic institutions?  I have a few 
-> Russian friends, and a few
->  Byelorussian friends who still live in Minsk.  While visiting 
-> them this summer
->  one of the girls (who seemed very upright and moral) told me she 
-> had used a cheat-sheet during and exam, and the discussion that
-> followed seemed to indicate this was a very commom practice.  I am 
-> just wondering how much of a problem this is.  Certainly goes on  
-> here too, but the casual way this was expressed to me really 
-> suprised me, especially considering how conservative these people 
-> were in most other ways.  
->  

    Yes, the practice of cheating during an exam is very common in  
Russia, but the fact just shows the difference between Russian and  
American education. 
    Students in Russia are supposed to learn to THINK, not only to  
MEMORIZE some recipes. Problems which are usually given to students  
on an exam require some creativity, some original ideas, and cannot  
be solved using one standard method or another. In this case,  
cheating does not help much. 
    When I studied at the university in Russia most of my professors  
allowed us to use textbooks and notes during exams, but they also  
gave as questions that were not so easy. Sometimes we were able to  
take a break for a lunch.
    
    "Est' takoi vid sporta - beg v meshkah: Vyigryvaet ne tot, kto  
begaet bystree, a tot kto begaet bystree v meshke".

Alexei
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Funding of the xSU's space program?
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:31:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: tuna.LEONID.92Sep29123132
Organization: University of Chicago CILS

In article <rabjab.182.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:

>   How is the xSU's space program funded?  Taxes of the general population,
>   profits from sales of raw materials to other countries, other?
>

OK, first of all, your main mistake is, that you use
present time: "How IS it funded?" "Who DOES decide?" etc...
It WAS funded! Now they've got no money for that, so
NOBODY decides, what the program does... :)

Well, how it used to be.
It is not totally correct, that it was funded by
"taxes of general population". Officially, there
practically were not any taxes in the country.
They just paid you 10% of what you really made
( note, that all the industry was state-owned,
so whatever you were doing, you were 
always paid by the government ). And they ( the
government ) were free to spend these remaining
90% the way they liked . ( "free" health care, "free"
education ... and off course, space programs )

>   What are the short and long term prospects for continued funding
>   of the xSU space program?

Both the long&short terms prospects were:
To compete West and the USA in particular. Let the
people get 10 times worse quality of living, 
but we have to launch as many satellites as
the USA does. 

>   Who decides what the space program does?

I would like to reply with a nice Russian joke:

Brezhnev instructs a team of Russian cosmonauts
(astronauts).
- Well. Americans have landed on the Moon. We have to compete
them. You guys gonna fly to the Sun.

- Dear Leonid Ilyich! We'll burn down there!!!

- We are not stupid in the government! Communist
Party truly takes care of you guys! You will fly
late at night!
--
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| Leonid S Andreev,    Center for Information and Language Studies,  |
|  (312) 702 9096        University of Chicago, Chicago IL, 60637.   |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Movies
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:19:59 GMT

After a week of absence I found new exciting line of discussion:
Russian/American movies. Let me add my altyn.

Firstly, I think that average level of American movies that such a
group of people as our forum watch is higher than what we used to see
in Russia (if we add movies rated * or ** in your weekly TV guide -
who knows ?!). As for high achievements, I believe, they are
approximately of the same magnitude. Somebody said he can't remember
good Soviet movies except Tarkovsky's. Tastes differ, but I think this
person is somewhat weak on memory. No offense, please.

I can easily believe that one may not like "Little Vera" after 5
years; our opinions do change with time. Not to mention that "bytie
opredelyaet soznanie"  :-)  However I've seen "The Diamond Hand"
several months ago and liked it as usual. 

Secondly, a piece of advice for those who spend an hour in video store
trying to choose movie to watch. I've got a book, where all movies are
listed, briefly described, divided by kinds (comedy, drama etc) rated
* to ***** and cross-referenced by names of directors and cast. If you
pick movies rated above *** it proves to give better results than
random search. I mean about 1 of 5-10 turns out good.

And finally I have a question to experienced and knowledgeable of this
group. Watching "Dances With Wolves" and especially "Driving Miss
Daisy" I've got an impression that they got all those "Oscars" not for
high quality of work (IMHO both are quite bad, except picture in
"Wolves") but rather for "political correctness", so to speak. Am I
right? Or this is just another case of cultural differences?


			Sasha
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Re: Use of Western software in the CIS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:13:10 GMT

davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson) writes:

>A private software firm has asked me to find out how Ukrainians, Russians
>etc. use software with an english interface. They are not prepared to
>rewrite their code but someday wish to market their software in E. Europe.

Usually they use it by just pirating it and not paying royalties.
If there are substantial amounts of text to be input and output,
for instance with a word processor, they add a Russian keyboard,
screen, and printer interface, by replacing the normal keyboard
drivers.  Some foreign software will work with general purpose
Russian language drivers;  other software needs special drivers.
If it is scientific or technical software, since scientists generally
know English, they use it as it comes out of the box (or rather as
it comes out of their pirated diskettes).  Obviously the question
can't be answered in general.  Conversion would be much more complex
for an English language Thesaurus than for a program that simulates
a desk calculartor.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:54:54 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <66974@cup.portal.com> DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall) writes:
>>Animation-wise, Beauty and the Beast was nearly flawless. As for special
>>effects, if they are not art, I don't know what is.
>>
>	Beauty and the Beast also had a computer rendered background in
>the ball room. The pillars, etc. I think it was SGI stuff. Was a great
>movie. Animation isn't considered art in the xSU?

Why, it is. Like "Ezhik v tumane" (Hedgehog in the Mist), "Skazka skazok"
(Tale of tales ?) or "Obratnaya storona luny" (Backside of the Moon).

But, fortunately for art, there is a little difference 
between art and state-of-the-art technology. 
Guess, in what department is Beauty and the Beast?
>
>\  / |  /\    |+ /\ |+  == /\ |    \\//
> \/  | / -\   |  \/ |\  | /- \|__  //\\
>+----------------------------------------+
>==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com


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From: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Subject: Re: Americans and movies: something's wrong
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:45:17 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <9209260044.AA12008@feds66.Prime.COM>  dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM ("", Dmitri Leschiner) writes:
> > Brattle Theater (a smaller, but no less prestigious
> > hall just at Harvard square). I believe that the public
> > on both seances was equally refined (Brattle Th. is ~10 times
> > smaller than Moscow C. C.).
> >
> > I am sure there is no more refined public
> > in America than gathered at Brattle. Behaviour
> > of these people is extremely tasteless.
> >
>
> Well, that is probably a valid question, but first I'd like to
> ask a simpler one. What is your definition of "refined people" then?
>
> D.

Dorogoy, po-Russki ne ponimaesh, da?
'fine' <n>   ponimaesh, da?
'fined' <vb> ponimaesh? eto ti, dorogoj, kogda k tebe militzioner podxodid
             i ti denkgi daesh, da? ponimash?
a 'refined'  ne ponimaesh?!
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian Poetry
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:24:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Sep28182433
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 27 Sep 92 04:48:13 GMT

In article <Bv800E.Htx@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:

> nikolay@husc8.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:

>>In article <1JHHRB1w165w@halcyon.com>, 
mashina <novost@halcyon.com> writes:

>>> Ekh, polnym polna moya korobushka,
>>> Est' i sitets i parcha

[etc.]

PN
>>Nekrasov, 'Korobeiniki'. Quite right, the traditional
>>stereotypic notion about those hucksters was that they
>>were awfully promiscuous and prone to corrupting young
>>innocent girls. Instances of group violence against the
>>_korobeiniki_ were not infrequent in the 19th century,
>>precisely for that reason.

GD
> Pomoemu, this poem is a part of Lermontov's "Pesnya pro kuptsa Kolashnikova".
> But, I could be wrong.

> -----Garik.

Quite right, you are wrong.

Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: languages in ex-Soviet Union
Date: 3 Oct 1992 03:58:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Ukrainian, Byelorussian

In article <1ai50nINNl6l@mizar.usc.edu> miwalker@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Walker) writes:
>I can't offer you any information about the Ukraine, but I think its a
>safe bet that they are using there own language and replacing Russian
>as much as possible.  But I was in Belarus this summer, and I can tell
>you that they have begun to replace ALL Russian road signs, and seem to
>have adopted the policy of substituting Belorussian language throughout
>the country.  Obviously this has only resulted in spotty changes so far. 
>But an interesting aside is that many citizens of Belarus don't understand
>the Belorussian language.  Fortunately it is so similar to Russian, that it
>isn't much of a problem, but this attempt to assert Belorussian nationalism
>was scoffed at by my friends, who are Belorussian.

 Without examining the right and wrong points of this article, I offer my opi-
 nion on the subject. I am from Minsk, and living in Belarus for sufficiently
 long time I feel that I can give a correct explanation of the situation.
 For one, I consider myself Russian, not Belarus. Secondly, Belarus is similar
 to Russian but it isn't close. It is a mix of Polish, Russian, Ukranian and
 some of Lithuanian languages and 50% of the words are totally different from
 Russian and you need to study the language for a long time in order to speak
 fluently.  Looking from the point of view of average Belarus citizen, the 
 nationalism is not something that he or she likes too much. This is true, be-
 cause not more than 20% of all citizens of the republic can speak their
 native language (this is my estimate) and, thus, can't readily read road signs
 or books in Belarus. That is why most of Belarus people scoff at this "conver-
 sion" attempt.  I am probably wrong, since this is my stereotype, but I think
 that Ukraine has a similar situation. Again, don't quote me on that, because
 it is only MHO.  However, there is a very vociferous minority of nationalistic
 crowd of intellectuals and students. Of course, there is a Belarus National
 Front but the main movement behind the patriotic attempts to revitalize
 Belarus is the movement  "Talaka," founded on the same principles as Ukrainian
 "Pyx."  However, "Talaka" has more anti-semitic slant than "Pyx" does and
 they are bent on fully replacing the Russian/Soviet culture with Belarus
 way of life, a truly "wonderful" dream.

		      Shura.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: CIS on Internet?
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:38:25 GMT

  I personaly have not seen any indication that kremvax.hq.demos.su
is on the internet.  If it is, it must be periodic access during
given time slots (but I think not).  I have tried ping, rlogin,
ftp, and telnet.  All return Unknown host.  I even tried the
following IP address which was returned by resolver.  Not sure
as to its validity, may may be IP address of kremvax:
192.91.186.8

   Jeff