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From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer hoax?
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:00:08 GMT
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I believe it was the _New York Times_ that carried a slightly fuzzy
photograph purported to be of Mr. Fischer's profile.  Although the
figure sports a beard with connected sideburns and male pattern
baldness, it does look a lot like Fischer photos from the early 1970s.

If indeed the match is not a big hoax, then there are several obvious
readsons for Fischer to finally decide to play.  It's likely that his
money has run out after twenty years of not playing.  The deaths of
several of his old opponents may have struck home for someone in his
fiftieth year.  I strongly suspect that he is not so much interested
in a victory against Boris Spassky as he is interested in "beating"
FIDE.  He has shown nothing but contempt for FIDE since the the denial
of his match conditions requests as champion; the selection of
Yugoslavian Remnant State as a playing site is probably the biggest
insult he could deliver to FIDE.

The sad truth is that Fischer may very well be his own worst enemy.  I
think that the match is real, but I predict that Fischer's interest in
upstaging FIDE may wane as so the match may not be completed.  In
fact, it may never be officially started.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
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From: "jay hack" <jay.hack@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: chess news
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:56:51 EST
Reply-To: "jay hack" <jay.hack@execnet.com>
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Organization: Executive Networks Information

The following is a transcript of a report which appeared on CNN
television on July 18, 1992

                   Cable News Network, Inc.

HEADLINE: Chessathon Held to Help New York Children

BYLINE: GARY TUCHMAN


 HIGHLIGHT:
The largest ever "chess-athon" is being held in New York's Central
Park. Local kids got to play world champion  chess  players who
came specifically for the event.

 BODY:

ANDREA ARCENEAUX, Anchor: Hundreds of youngsters in New York have
been taking part in an unusual event this weekend - a record
setting  chess  exhibition.  As CNN's Gary Tuchman reports,
organizers of the chessathon are hoping it can teach the youngsters
some valuable lessons about life.
  GARY TUCHMAN, Correspondent: What's happening in New York Central
Park is something you should check - mate.  What you're seeing is
the largest ever chessathon, hundreds of youngsters, as far as the
eye can see, playing the game of kings and queens.

CHESSATHON PARTICIPANT: It's just a very fun game.
TUCHMAN: As well as challenging, especially on this day, because
chess  grand masters were invited to play simultaneous games
against the participants.  One of the grand masters is the world's
youngest - 15-year-old Judit Polgar of Hungary who played the
national renowned Raging Rooks, a  chess  team of youngsters from
Harlem.  The Raging Rooks got to learn a thing or two on this day
and that was fun for the grand master.

JUDIT POLGAR,  Chess  Grand Master: Because many kids are coming
together and I think they are enjoying it, as well.

TUCHMAN: Even if they weren't able to beat the grand masters.

Pushing pawns instead of drugs was one of the themes of the
chessathon.  One of the goals is to convince U.S. states part of
school curriculum.
JOHN RENALDO, Event Organizer: Kids learn that sequence of logical
thinking and strategic thinking.  It helps them in math, it helps
their concentration which helps them in reading and all of the
other subjects.

TUCHMAN: The concentration, the pondering, the anticipation - all
part of the battle to capture the king.  Six-year-old Debbie and
her 8-year-old brother Derrick [sp?] say all they do is play
chess,  but -   [interviewing] What do you like better,  chess  or
pizza?

DERRICK: It depends what's on it.

TUCHMAN: On the pizza or on the  chess  board?

DERRICK: Pizza.

TUCHMAN: But, even with pepperoni, Derrick says he'd still rather
play  chess.  The game, as any observer in Central park can see,
has a devoted following.

Organizers here say  chess  is a major key to success for
youngsters.  The feeling being that moving pawns in the game of
chess  can help prevent someone from being used as a pawn in the
game of life.  Gary Tuchman, CNN, New York.
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From: sears@netcom.com (Daniel Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Why not Baghdad?
Keywords: disgust
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:18:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Bobby Fischer was one of my idols as I grew up.  But his decision
to come out of retirement to play a match in Serbia is repugnant.
I wonder how he can reconcile this decision with religious beliefs.

--Dan
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From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky II
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:44:24 GMT

I am informed that the Fischer clock and time limit will be
used and that the idea is to play 5 games per week.

Eric Schiller
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From: nolan@helios.unl.edu (Michael Nolan)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Reply-To: nolan@helios.unl.edu
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:20:31 GMT

schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller) writes:

>I am a bit better informed on some of the aspects of the rumors,
>but have agreed not to talk about it. I don't think it will take
>place, though one of my sources puts the possibility as high as
>50%.

>All speculation - I don't see it happening.

FWIW, UPI is reporting that Fischer is *in* Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and that
a match with Spassky for $5 million (3.35 $M to winner) will take place in a
resort on the Adriatic starting September 1st.

Due to copyright restrictions, I can't post the entire text here.
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From: de11@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Epstein)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Reply-To: de11@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Epstein)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:22:46 GMT

Bill Hahn writes:
>David Epstein writes:
>>Personally, I love facing the 4 Pawns Attack (if you don't, you shouldn't
>>be playing the Alekhine's!). I play the 6..c5 line and have never lost with
>>it.
>
>I was crazy enough to play this line against Spassky in a simul, and he
>of course played 10. a3, which stops all the lines where Black's bishop 
>goes to b4.   What do you play against this?   (Yes, by all means, give
>away your secrets on the net.  :-0)
>

For those of you who for some reason don't know this line by heart ;-)
the moves are 1.e4 Nf6; 2.e5 Nd5; 3.d4 d6; 4.c4 Nb6; 5.f4 dxe5; 6.fxe5 c5;
7.d5 e6; 8.Nc3 exd5; 9.cxd5 c4.

Now I'm a bit confused -- did Spassky play 10.a3 here, or did he play 
10.Nf3 Bg4; 11.a3, which is more common? In either case, I'm not giving away
anything new by saying that I'd reply Bc5 to a3 in either case. It stops
White's castling and prepares Black's. There are some complex variations
with opposite-side attacks, but I can't believe that this is the way to
refute Black's setup. The Bc5 idea is well-known, and I once saw some 
analysis of this whole mess, but I can't remember where.

Happy hunting!

David Epstein
From: aaron@cie.uoregon.edu (Aaron Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: ICS
Keywords: chess server
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:37:43 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Jul28.183550.22929@ima.isc.com> trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.230719.25961@nntp.uoregon.edu> aaron@cie.uoregon.edu (Aaron Putnam) writes:
>
>Right now, it is apparently a major problem that when a game finishes
>on the ICS, it takes about five seconds to adjust the ratings and
>perform the database update.  In the current implementation, this locks
>out all other ICS interaction during this operation.
>
> If the update is a separate process, then it can happen concurrently
>(from a process scheduling viewpoint) to the normal match-maintenance

The game-reporting would be quite easy to implement. (It's already set
up with a queue, it would just have to be separated).

>functions of the ICS.  I think Aaron is missing a point when he brings
>up "the tricky problems."  He is talking about "verification problems,"
>I assume due to his visions of people bringing up fake ratings
>servers.  My suggestion is to have the ICS fork off a copy of itself

Fake rating servers would be impossible (except by doing some tricky
internet manipulation, and I don't think anyone wants to risk prison
in order to raise their blitz rating a couple hundred points).

What I mean is that when someone is logging in, their password has to
be verified.  This would mean that some sort of 'event' record would
have to be added to the player - again, not a difficult thing, but it
would mean alot of recoding.  If something like that were to be done,
I would prefer to rewrite the entire game into an event-driven system,
which I believe would solve practically all of the problems that
exist currently.

>	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474

  -Aaron Putnam
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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:52:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.093723.12747@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.105407.36@swvcc.wvnet.edu> cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu (Allen Fa
rley) writes:
>>What is white's best line against the Alekhine Defense (1. e4 Nf6)? I'd like
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Definetely 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 and +-
>
     Sure it's +/-, sure it is.  I would like to see a little more
so that I know what I'm up against.
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From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
	<SCHILLER.92Jul21164758@tira.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Jul22.205106.23073@news.uiowa.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:42:44 GMT

The "Modern" way of handling the Colle (with q-side fianchetto) is not
what Yusupov does. He plays 1.Nf3 and then e3, d4, b3 etc. This is
a Zukertort, or Yusupov-Zuckertort.

I still await postings of true Colle's played by great players.
Eric

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Fischer and sanctions
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:10:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.014417.25697@rata.vuw.ac.nz> vova@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Vladimir Pestov) writes:
>The return of Bobby Fischer to chess is much more important than
>maintaining sanctions against Yugoslavia.

I hope this was typed without thinking, as it sounds monstruous. Do you
really consider a chess match more important than thousands of human lives?

>After all, who had ever thought of imposing sanctions as comprehensive
>against my homeland - the former Soviet Union? And violations of human rights,
>international agreements and so on in the xUSSR were several
>orders of magnitude greater than those in Yugoslavia, Iraq,
>South Africa or whenever else. The international community

You are wrong. Sanctions have nothing to do with violations of human rights
within Serbia (as in your analogues), but with Serbian occupation of terri-
tories of two other countries, Croatia and Bosnia.

When Soviet Union invaded Afganistan, the reaction of the international
community was MUCH STRONGER (in deeds, not words) then it has so far been
against Serbia.

>Perhaps, chess merely
>should not have anything in common with politics.

That is exactly why this match should not be permitted: it would degrade
chess to an instrument of sinister politics.

>
>Vladimir Pestov
>

Sven Hauptfeld
From: lee.matheson@synapse.isis.org (Lee Matheson) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: why not baghdad (ches
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: lee.matheson@synapse.isis.org (Lee Matheson) 

 TT> Strange to see the "politically correct" jump on the UN bandwagon
 TT> so readily, without the slightest sign of doubt as to whether
 TT> the high priests of bureaucratic nonsense have the slightest
 TT> idea of what they are doing.

Is everyone really certain that the UN sanctions forbid this match?
I don't know the exact wording of the resolution implementing the
sanctions.  Maybe the match is not covered by the sanctions.

I'm a believer in what the UN stands for and a believer in the
motivations behind most of what the UN does, ... so I hate to
critisize the UN until I am certain they are wrong.

Anyway, ... my fingers are crossed that the match takes place.

Lee Matheson, Ottawa

... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.
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From: torkkola@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: The Classical French ( 7 f4 0-0 )
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:43:49 GMT

> I'd like to hear what is the latest news about the Classical French.
> What about the next opening line ?  Any good games you know played
> this or last year ?
>
>         1  e4    e6
>         2  d4    d5
>         3 Nc3   Nf6
>         4 Bg5   Be7
>         5  e5   Nfd7
>         6 Bxe7  Qxe7
>         7  f4   0-0
>         8 Nf3    c5
>         9 dxc5
>
> and now the alternatives a) 9 .. Nc6 and b) 9 .. Qxc5
>
> Any comments about b) variation ?
> Any improvment in a) variation ?

Perhaps I Specify more clearly what I'm trying to ask :)

      9. dxc5  Nc6  10. Bd3  f6  11. exf6  Qxf6  12. g3  Nxc5
     13. 0-0   Bd7  14. Qd2  Nxd3  15. cxd3  e5  16. Rae1  exf4
     17. Nxd5  Qd6  18. Nxf4  Bg4  19. Qe3  Bxf3  20. Qxf3  Qd4

     This is analyzed in Informator 46.

     The following game is introduced by comment, that black
     needs an improvment on the following game:
     ( anyone has seen game like above ( almost ?) and some improvment
       for black )

    21. Rf2  Rad8  22. Re4  Qc5  23. Qe3  Nd4  24. Kg2  Qc6
    25. h4  Nf5  26. Qf3  Nd4  27. Qg4  Nf5  28. Kh2  Nh6  29. Qf3  Qb6
    30. Rfe2 Nf5  31. Ne6  Nxh4  32. Qe3 Qxe3 33. R2xe3 Nf5 34.Re1 Nd6
    35. Rd4 Rfe8 36. Rxd8 Rxe1 37. Rxd6 +-
     Brunner - Zuger, Prague Bohemians-A 1989

     9. dxc5  Qxc5 ( korchnoi's idea ) any game played this year by masters ?

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From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Re: Fischer - Spassky II
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.135215.14320@husc3.harvard.edu> fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:
>
>demands about procedure, playing site, etc.  Since Fischer considers
>himself still the world championship, I think he intends to just
>continue playing the next world championship cycle in his own system,
>with himself as the reigning king and Spassky getting a justified
>rematch since he was the dethroned champion.  I don't mean to imply
>
>Comments?

I have a comment on Fischer's claim to still being the World Champion.  I 
have seen this several times in the past, and supposedly there were even
motions in the U.S. Congress (don't know when, probably in the 70's) after
Fischer "lost" the title to recognize Fischer as the World Champion.

This is ridiculous.  I saw a copy of a telegram from Fischer to FIDE, in 
which he clearly states that he "resigns" the title.  I'm sorry, but if you
resign your title, you (nor anyone else) has the right to claim that you 
are still the legitimate champion.  Yes, Fischer did not lose the title in
a match play, but to remain a champion, you must prove worthy of remaining
champion.  Furthermore, while it may be said that Fischer was stripped of 
the title, he clearly states in his telegram that he resigns the title
(an act of free will). 

Fischer was (and may still be--hopefully we'll soon find out) a great chess
player, but any claims to the title by him are unfounded, and anyone who
would still recognize him as the world champion is living in world of fantasy.

John


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From: bruno@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Bruno Bienenfeild)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:51:49 GMT
Subject: IBM-PC program ?
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess

I'm looking for Chess-Program for IBM-PC compatiable, 486DX-2 (50).
I'm an average FIDE 2065, quite rustty since havn't played for long 
time.
 Thank you for your help.
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Computers & chess ethics
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:42:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.004425.15880@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel) writes:
>>#> To the contrary, chessplaying programs in USCF tournaments do abide by
>>#> the same rules as humans.  Anyone with a different opinion is welcome
>>#> to point out the section in the rules where programs are treated
>>#> differently from humans.
>
>I never liked the arguments that computers cheated by using internal
>books or separate boards.  This seems to me to be a quibble about a
>difference in memory technology.  Perhaps that has some intrinsic
>significance as opposed to being just a legalistic nuance, but I don't
>see it.  The problem I have always had is that computers have a significant
>advantage in being undefined.  The USCF definition is circular and
>arbitrary.  This gives computers an advantage in being able to collaborate
>in ways that are clearly illegal for humans.  For example, if a human
>decided to add a microprocessor as an "accelerator" the human would
>be clearly cheating, but a computer can link to other processors
>by simple redefinition and get away with it.  A computer can use a computer
>but a human can't.  Perhaps a computer can even use a human -- the rules
>are not perfectly clear.
>

Why in the world would it want to?  Sort of like a Cray trying to "attach"
a PC to help it out?    Just kidding...... don't go whacko on me.....

Bob

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From: gfeygin@eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin)
Subject: Re: Grandmaster Bronstein, codebreaking (KGB?)
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:16:35 GMT

In article <148l7aINN238@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>There was a rumor going around years ago that the chess Grandmaster 
>David Bronstein had some connection to KGB. I mentioned it to a Soviet 
>emigre that I used to play chess with, and he said that was a very 
>serious accusation so I dropped the subject. But recently I heard that
>there may have been some substance to the rumor, in that Bronstein
>may have helped break German codes during WW2, and that it had
>appeared in print somewhere.

Breaking Nazi codes in wartime --- even if done under the 
auspices of KGB is quite a bit different from what is commonly
understood as working for KGB (i.e. spying and reporting people
who disgree with communists).

>
>Does anyone know if and where such a story might have been printed,
>and if there is any truth to it?
>
>It seems that as some KGB archives are now becoming public, this
>and other related stories could make for some very interesting
>reading (I'm particularly interested in Soviet codebreaking and
>espionage during WW2). Hopefully some good books will come out
>over the next few years on these topics ...
>
>I have a very high regard for Bronstein, so I don't mean to
>criticize him in any way. I'm just very curious about this
>topic (and if other Soviet chessmasters were involved in
>codebreaking during WW2).
>
>Thanks,
>
>         -Tom
>          tedrick@melody.berkeley.edu
>
gf


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From: djohn@maths.tcd.ie (Derek John)
Subject: Chessboards
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:54:09 GMT

    I'm not sure if this was in the FAQ but I couldnt find any reference to it there.My question is what are the exact measurements for the size of a tournamentchessboard using full size pieces?The reason I ask this is that I was recently  given a very nice full size staunton set of chesspieces and I would really like to make a chessboard for them instead of buying one.Are there any standard      materials and if so what are they?Any help on these matters will be gratefully appreciated.
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:40:55 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

In article <1992Jul28.164426.19767@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.093723.12747@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.105407.36@swvcc.wvnet.edu> cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu (Allen Farley) writes:
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>I'm posting this for a friend:
>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>What is white's best line against the Alekhine Defense (1. e4 Nf6)? I'd like to
>>>use your responses in our club newsletter, with your permission of course.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Definetely 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 and +-
>
>If only life were so easy! 
>
>Anyone who's interested should definitely see Lev Alburt's book on the
>subject; also, there is a 1977 Chess Digest pamphlet which isn't too
>bad, but isn't nearly as good as Alburt's work (Alburt uses the Alekhine
>as virtually his only reply to 1.e4).
>

Of course except against Karpov!