From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:25:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.005023.18162@cs.hut.fi> killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>In <1992Sep11.220829.9840@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.185553.12792@cs.hut.fi> killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>>>There is a HUGE difference between 'Hey, I did great!' and 'You cannot
>>>even run/tackle/throw/kick/...'.  I personally award 15 yards for the
>>>latter but encourage the former.
>>That is the WHOLE POINT!  It becomes personal!  The Zebras interject
>>their personal feelings, pro/con, on what constitutes taunting.  If
>>the rule were to be enforced equitably and fair to all players and plays,
>>then perhaps it would be tolerable.  My point is when Harris did his
>>imginary six shooter bit, he should not have been penalized.  Even the
>>announcers proclaimed this!  You personally will tolerate some type of
>>taunting, but not another.  Technically, taunting is taunting.  If
>
>Let me quote NCAA 1991 rules that are in effect here in Europe 1992:
>"Unsportmanshiplike Acts:
> Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
>   No player, coach, substitute, authorized attendant or other persons
>   subject to the rules shall use abusive or insulting language to
>   players or officials or indulge in any conduct that might
>   incite players or spectators."
>
>  "No player or substitute shall use language, gestures or engage
>   in acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to the image of
>   the game, including:
>     (a) pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent
>     (b) baiting an opponent verbally
>     (c) inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way."
>
>Here in Finland the Officials Association has taken the view that
>above mentioned points shall be strictly enforced, but normal
>spontanious celebration after a play shall be allowed.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Excuse me, but this is again open to a ref's interpretation!  What
constitues "normal spontanteous celebration after a play shall be
allowed" to one ref might be different to another. In Harris's
"guns" scenario, I would constitue this as "spontanteous
celebration!" It is his trademark, therefore "normal to him",
get it? 
>So, when I said personally, I should have said "- according to
>interpretations in Finland -".
>
Well, Finland's rules and NFL rules are not the same and neither
are their respective ref's.  Am I right?
>
>In NFL 1991 rules the above quoted paragraphs are stated, with
>different words but the same context.  So excuse me when I
>fail to understand your logic with the "six-barrel" case.
>I think it warranted a flag according to the rules.
>
Again, one person's personal interpretation vs another's.  Who
is right, who is wrong?  There is no correct answer at this rate,
now is there? I think I will get laid, no, first have me a pizza
and diet coke and then rest 1/2 hour and then get laid! I am
getting too stressed out. :-)
>
>(Disclaimer to the paragraph above:  I tried to obtain
> rule changes for this season, but it seems that nobody
> on the net has them.  So I'll keep on referring to
> the 1991 rule book, unless otherwise proven)
>--
>************************************************************************
>* The night sky over the planet Krikkit is the least interesting sight *
>* in the entire Universe.  -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                     *
>************************************************************************


-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro