From: jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason)
Subject: Re: Maple vs Hyok round 2
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:13:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.211911.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.204838.2949@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
>> 
>> 	Chris Lott:  You are absolutely right.  People have every right
>> to post whatever they want in whatever group they want.  I could, if
>> I felt the need, post about Frank Sinatra in alt.thrash.  But the only
>> reason to do so would be to get a reaction out of the regular readers
>> (Unfortunately people do this all the time).  This group was created to 
>> discuss the likes of Megadeth, ("So Far, So Good... So What!" in blasting 
>> into my ears now) Sepultra, Anthrax, etc.  I didn't include Metallica 
>> because they've got their own group, though they seem to be a big topic of 
>> discussion here too lately.
>
>No, there is an even better reason. The minute anyone listens to a bunch of
>raging assholes is the minute we are bending over for them. If they would just
>shut the fuck up with their poser-bashing (which is another name for being
>insecure and immature) then no one would care to post about those bands here,
>right? 

	Oh, so you're saying that you said things like (No, I don't 
remember your exact words, so I'm not going to quote you.) hey people 
on alt.r-n-r let's post g-n-r things on .heavy and .metallica because 
the people there don't like it.
	How can ypu possibly say that you weren't trying to get a reaction
out of people???

>>         Any g-n-r fan who thinks they're HEAVY metal is not listening to what
>> the band has said in interviews.  Just like Nirvana they've said "WE ARE
>> NOT HEAVY METAL".  If you think we should be discussing g-n-p here why
>> not just have one HUGE newsgroup where we talk about everything from 
>> Judas Priest, to sewing, to blowing up your neighbors car?  The different
>> groups are there so that people of the same interests can share opinions
>> and ideas.  Cross posting (cross posing?) like what you did is done SOLELY
>> to elicit an arguement.  You too need to grow up and stop getting your
>> jollies from annoying people on the net.  To quote John Clease "There
>> has to more to life than this!"
>
>I have NEVER maintained that GnR are metal, I know what they say about
>themselves. Very rational you are. Then you get on the cross-posing gnP shit
>and expect me to listen to you? Posing and posers, to use it as you do, are

	Yes - I expect you to listen to me.  As I've said many times 
before (and evidently need to say again) cross posting g-n-r articles
here is a waste of time for you and the readers.  People here don't want
to read them.  So keep them in the groups where you'll find other g-n-r
fans.

>bands that try to be metal and people that try to say they like metal but
>aren't and don't right? So if GnR isn;t metal, and I don;t say they are metal,

	If you say they aren't metal WHY POST ABOUT THEM IN A METAL 
NEWSGROUP!!!!!  This has been my point all along.  Thank you for backing
it up.  

>and you don't either, then you are using the word poser to reflect your view
>of the group and your OPINION of their listeners. All of which has nothing to
>do with it being metal, and all of which is EXACTLY my point. 

	I left the part of my post you were refering to in so that you could
show me where I called you a poser.  I consider a poser to be a MUSICIAN
who POSES as something he/she isn't to get money/fame/laid.  Hence the word
POSER.  I consider g-n-r to be posers.  'Appetite' was a good album.  'Lies' 
was ok, but the new ones were written to sell.  That is my definition
of a poser: someone who writes music JUST to sell records.  I prefer to
listen to music that is written to say something, to make me think.

>Thanks for digging your own hole, lying in it face down, AND handing me the
>shovel. You are awfully nice to do all that, but I had you buried in the first
>place.

	YOU had ME burried?  I'm sorry to inform you that I'm not the one
running around flamming people for posting.  I asked you no to post g-n-r
messages here because I don't like them much and I don't want to read about
them.  I was just trying to point out that there are different groups for
different reasons.  People here are here because they don't want to read 
about warrant, and bon jovi.  You said you realize this, yet you encourage
people to post here about hose non-heavy metal groups anyway.  Talk about
burrying yourself and your argument. 
	If you would stop immediately insulting people for their posts
you might acually see that we come close to agreeing.  I just have a 
problem with people posting articles that they know don't belong in the
group.

>If any bands and fans deserve the words POSER then it is Metallica, or some
>other sold-out, hard rock band that pretends to be, and whose fans pretend it
>is, metal. Right? 

	Wrong.  How can you say that Metallica is pretending to be anything?
I'll be the first to admit that their new album isn't up to par with their 
others, but it is still good listening compared to the groups I consider to
be posers.  I don't think that Metallica has sold out on the new album, nor
do I think they've become posers.  Maybe you should tell us what you think
a poser is.  
	I'd be happy to debate the merits of the music with you if you'll
get off the personal attacks.  This group is for discussing music - not
each other.

[old sigs deleted to save space on an already long article]

-Jason

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