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From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: 1967 Chevelle Convertible - prrice question, etc.
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:51:31 GMT

In article <H2VoVB2w165w@bluemoon.use.com> moonhawk@bluemoon.use.com (David Culberson) writes:
>  I was going through the classifieds in our local paper, and happened to 
>find a '67 Chevelle convertible.  I didn't know such a thing existed!  
>How solid is this car?  Is there much shaking, etc.?  It has a manual 
>transmission, how good is it? (The transmission, that is.)  How solid is 
>the V8 is has, and how hard is it to find parts?  It is selling for a 
>whopping $5000, is it worth this, and if so, what kind of shape should it 
>be in to be worth this?  If not, how much is it worth?  Thanks!!
>
>                David
>
  I'm a little prejudiced , as secrtary of the chevelle club in Denver, but hey. Yes it is a good solid car. If it is the original trans it is a good one, but who knows how it has been treated. How solid is a chevy V8 ?  Where have you been?Parts are not hard to find for the most part. Generally if it is not a total pile of junk or rusted out beyond recognition it would be worth what is being asked for it.>---
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From: dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell)
Subject: Re: 1967 Chevelle Convertible - prrice question, etc.
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:35:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.154533.27881@mlb.semi.harris.com> jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger) writes:
> 1967 is the year before the body style change. The body is more rectangular.

Well I'm not sure what you mean exactly about rectangular.  The 1964
Chevelle was what I would call rectangular and boxy looking - sort of a
smaller version of the Impalla.  In 1965 the body style for the Impalla
changed to nice curves, but I'm not sure if the Chevelle body style
changed as well that year.  By 1967 I'm certain it had changed so that
the body had more curves.  In 1968 the Chevelle body style changed so that
the hood was longer than the rear deck and it was more of a fastback
style.  The body change to the smoother curve body that Chevy made in
1965 was really great (I own a 1965 Impalla Sport Coupe and drove my
parents' 1967 Chevy Malibu way back then).  I think it was interesting
that Ford went the opposite direction in 1965 from the rounded shape of
the '64 Galaxie to the rectangular boxy shape of the '65.

> $5000 is about the going rate for an all-original, unrusted or well-restored
>version with decent interior and no mechanical problems. Prices (asking) can
>go up past $10K for -perfect- ones, but very few daily drivers can reach 
>(or stay at) that plateau. Esthetics and collectability aside, your criteria
>should be the same as looking at any other $5000 car.

Here in Columbus, OH there is a used car dealer that has a 1967 Chevelle
SS for sale, asking around $12K.  It's a nice car, but not that nice.

-dean
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From: moonhawk@bluemoon.use.com (David Culberson)
Subject: 1967 Chevelle Convertible - prrice question, etc.
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 16:54:28 EST

  I was going through the classifieds in our local paper, and happened to 
find a '67 Chevelle convertible.  I didn't know such a thing existed!  
How solid is this car?  Is there much shaking, etc.?  It has a manual 
transmission, how good is it? (The transmission, that is.)  How solid is 
the V8 is has, and how hard is it to find parts?  It is selling for a 
whopping $5000, is it worth this, and if so, what kind of shape should it 
be in to be worth this?  If not, how much is it worth?  Thanks!!

                David

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From: dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell)
Subject: Re: '73 Mach 2
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.120138.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>	Since I was a kid (and that's MANY moons ago) I've been in love with
>the '73 Mustang Mach 1, probably just like everyone else.  Being the way most
>cars of this age are, I'm shy of buying a used monster and finding death and
>destruction (i.e, rust) afterwards.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not shy or afraid
>to restore something, but I'm a college student, and I have 100's not 1000's to
>melt into something.
>
>	An idea that crossed my mind (hold back the flamethrowers, folks) was
>to go this route:
>
>	As fiberglass replacement parts are many and fairly inexpensive, I was
>considering getting an original frame (which can be purchased new for about
>200), gradually purchasing the body parts, and pursuing a particular hybrid
>engine shown in an older issue of Hot Rod- the Clevor.  It's a Windsor block
>with Cleveland/Windsor parts bored out to, damn, can't remember the
>measurement.  Anyway, they got 400 horsies outta this monster.
>
>	The interior I was wanting to use modern Mustang/Corvette tech to turn
>the Cobra into a REAL monster.  Possibly with Captain's chairs (can get 'm for
>nothing locally.)
>
>	Most of the aforementioned parts can be had for next to nothing (gotta
>know the right folks, as I'm finding out!).
>
>	I'm not trying to build a monster street machine, but a more
>contemporary version of the Mach 1 that'll last 10-15 years, hand it off to a
>son/grandson or put it in a show.
>
>	Comments? 

Yeah, from what you say above, it sounds like you really like the body
style but want a more up to date engine and interior.  I basically feel
the same way because it seems that all the new cars nowadays come out of
the same cookie cutter (with some exceptions).  As corny as it sounds, I
really liked the styling of the late 50's, 60's and early 70's - chrome,
fins, enough sheet metal that it took a whole afternoon to wash and wax,
you get the idea.  I have a '65 Impalla Sport Coupe that was the first
year of a new body style for Chevy.  I wouldn't mind some of the nicer
options that are found in new cars today that mine lacks, nor would I
turn down a more fuel efficient engine with pollution controls (as long
as it still put out at least 250 HP), 15 inch wheels with disc brakes,
shoulder belts, etc.  And I could probably add a lot of those things, but
it is not worth the investment to me to do so.  My two front fenders are
fiberglass so I don't have to worry about the typical rust behind the
front wheelwells, so your idea of a fiberglas Mach 1 with an up to date
chassis and interior gets my vote.  So what if all the numbers don't
match - if you get as much enjoyment out of driving the car as I get out
of driving mine, and it can beat the rust factor, go for it.

-dean
From: livneh@oliver.rutgers.edu (Shai Livneh)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Old Car in Movie?
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:10:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

This may be a supid question but I was wondering what car Bruce Willis was
driving in the movie "The Last Boy Scout" in the beginning.  It was a big
old American boat (red) and looked like a Buick Riviera but I wasn't sure.
It had the weird rear sloping window (sort of like an old stingray corvette)
Thanks in advance for any help.
							Shai
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From: moonhawk@bluemoon.use.com (David Culberson)
Subject: Re: 1967 Chevelle Convertible - prrice question, etc.
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:54:44 EST

jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger) writes:

>  1967 is the year before the body style change. The body is more rectangular.
> The engine is your basic Chevy L-6 or small block V-8 most likely, with the
> parts interchangeability that implies. The top will have a plastic rear windo
> The structure is body-on-frame. 

  Is it very quick?  How reliable are these engines?

>  $5000 is about the going rate for an all-original, unrusted or well-restored
> version with decent interior and no mechanical problems. Prices (asking) can
> go up past $10K for -perfect- ones, but very few daily drivers can reach 
> (or stay at) that plateau. Esthetics and collectability aside, your criteria
> should be the same as looking at any other $5000 car.

  What are some problem spots I should check when looking at this car?  
Any particular areas that rust?  Thanks!!

                David

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Subject: Re: Used car prices?/4 door Impala??
From: rellison@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:28:53 -0700

In article <1992Dec8.022426.10954@nmsu.edu>, bboswell@dante.NMSU.Edu (BOSWELL) writes:
> In article <1992Dec3.152258.13304@athena.cs.uga.edu> tom@athena.cs.uga.edu (Tom  
> Root) writes:
>>         Why are two door hardtops generally considered collectibles
>> whereas
>> a fourdoor of the same model is not?  Is this something that "has always
>> been that way" or is there an organization that's decided which cars
>> will be "collectibles" and which are destined for the boneyard after
>> there is no one who will maintain and care for them.
>> Tom Root
> 
	<deleted>
> 
> In my mind 4 doors brings to mind all the Chevy Celebrities and merely average  
> cars in this world.  Granted in the 60's there were some plain-Jane looking  
> Belvideres, Falcons, and even an SS-version of the 4-door Impala (and an SS  
> Wagon, even the El Camino to boot!) that had it where it's at under the hood,  
> BUT It just makes ME feel younger and more free with just 2 doors.  Here's the  
> real kicker though, my car has just 2 seats (Pontiac Fiero)  It's not an  
> antique or classic yet, just give mine another 21 years and it will be!

	Refresh my memory, please. I don't recall any 4 door SS Impalas. 
	(I mean, the SS 4 door sedan, not the SS Chevelle wagon of '66-'67)

	Anyone out there with info/details about a production SS wagon please
give me the details. I'm usually aware of most common and uncommon Chevys!!

	Thanks! 


Robert

REllison@Pimacc.pima.edu
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From: acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney)
Subject: Re: Thunderbird Restoration
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.171027.5502@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mvcjp@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.j.pouliot) writes:
>
>	This *Was* 1969 Thunderbird Question...
>
>	Hi - I restored a 1965 Thunderbird in the mid-seventies, and I wish I
>		had it now but... The one in Thelma and Louise was a 1966
>		model. The 64, 65, and 66 models were all essentially the same
>		with slightly different noses. Here's the most noticeable
>		differences...
>
>	1963 - looked "boxy" like a continental 
           **********************************

I believe you're thinking of a '59 or '60 T-bird ('58 too ??). These are
nicknamed "square-birds". The '61-'63 T-birds (I have a '63 convertible) 
are very long and rounded, very "rocket-ship". My car also the swing-away wheel
(standard in '62 and '63 and optional in '61 I think). My car also has
vacuum power for the wipers as well as all the ventilation, heating and
A/C controls. It took me quite awhile to get all that rubber tubing replaced
and working. It seems that many of the features on the '61-'63 T-birds 
were carried over to the '64-'66 models with the changes in sheet metal,
interior and the addition of disk brakes in '65 being the major differences.       

Jim Feeney
               
>
>					Good Luck
>						- Charlie

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From: hackney@moxie.hou.tx.us (Greg Hackney)
Subject: Re: Used car prices?/4 door Impala??
Organization: Home
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:43:51 GMT

>>> Why are two door hardtops generally considered collectibles

In 2 door hardtops, i.e. the 57 Ford Fairlane 500, there is no
ugly roof support post between the front and rear windows. Whereas
the 2 door sedan and 4 doors have a post.

No post makes the car more sporty looking with the windows rolled down,
which made them more desirable among the young crowd. The 4-door
has historically symbolized a 'family' man's car, therfore
generally unpopular with the single person interested in the
impression the car gives.

2 door hardtops were popular then, and are popular now, creating
a demand, making them collectible.
--
Greg Hackney                      '77 Chevy L-82 Corvette
hackney@moxie.hou.tx.us           '66 Chevy Impala SS

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From: pphenix@ess.harris.com (paul phenix)
Subject: 1948 dodge 4dr
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:11:22 GMT
Organization: ess.harris.com
Keywords: 1948 dodge

help can some one give me a rough idea what a '48 dodge is worth. it runs 
well but has rust i think it is restorable. the baby came and now the toy
has to go.....


          paul
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From: jws@teal.csn.org (Jon Schenk)
Subject: 1960 Ford Falcon
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:33:17 GMT


I have a 1960 Ford Falcon that I need to sell.  The body and interior is in excellent condition.  The engine needs some work.  If you are interested or know someone that may be, leave me a message or have them call Jon at 719-481-7490 (days). Thank you.
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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: One more faked car wreck in movies
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:16:28 GMT

	For the movie "Vanishing Point" they used 5 different 1970
Dodge Challengers for the filming (four 383s with 4-speeds and one with a
340 and Automatic).
	For the final scene where the hero supposedly crashes his car into
2 bulldozers, they did *not*  crash a Challenger.  They used an engineless
1967 Camaro towed by the Challenger equipped with the automatic.
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From: hennie@nuustak.csir.co.za (Hennie Rautenbach)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Cars wrecked in movies, continued...
Date: 20 Dec 1992 17:43:20 +0200
Organization: CSIR, South AFrica
NNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za
X-Disclaimer: The opinions expressed below are purely personal
X-Disclaimer: and in no way represent the official view of CSIR.

How about the 54 Mercury that got totalled in Sly Stallone's "COBRA". I doubt
wether they had more than one of those. The wrecking part seemed pretty 
authentic though. Quite a nice Merc as well. I wonder how the previous owner
of the car felt after watching the movie, especially with all  the work thats
gone into the car -shaving, frenching etc.-.

Doubt wether I'll be able to sell my soul like that.

Hennie Rautenbach 

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From: djanzen@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Montgomery Janzen)
Subject: mopars
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:35:32 GMT




Does anyone have the address of a Mopar discussion group.  I recall hearing about on about 5-6 months ago.  

Thanks

	Derek Janzen

djanzen@sfu.ca


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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: Fliming Car wrecks (was:  Thelma & Louise)
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:00:50 GMT

In article <17DEC92.10434570@umbc2.umbc.edu> noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>
>	A side note to the person who will not have his car in a film anymore.  
>The producers of "Crime Story" often had local collectors decorate the set with 
>their cars.  During one chase scene a driver took a turn too fast and 
>side-swiped some guys Imperial.  The owner was pretty upset until the producers 
>agreed to pay for it to be repaired at the best body shop in Las Vegas...
>

The movie I was involved with had the same deal, except I think they would
ship the car to Los Angeles to someone they knew to do the work. Since
this was a feature film, I guess they had the money.

Still, as far as I'm concerned, that's not the point. They weren't paying
us enough to make it worth risking my pride and joy.  At least as important,
they told us that our cars would not be placed at risk during filming. 
Having my car dented and repaired is still less desireable than not having
it dented in the first place.
 
Ted Brooks
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From: corbetew@cco.caltech.edu (Corbet E. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:38:55 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu


Having recently seen _Back to the Future_ once again, I'm still amazed by the
Steam Train going into "Eastwood" ravine.  THe crash looks real but the 
explosion looks overlain.  Then of course the Delorean gets thoroughly
demolished by a head on with a freight train - Does anyone think that
was a real car or just a bunch of silver plastic pieces?


-- 
Corbet Wilcox
corbetew@alumni.caltech.edu
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From: cernada@ait.com (Joseph P. Cernada)
Subject: OLDSMOBILE engine paint
Reply-To: cernada@ait.com
Organization: Artificial Intelligence Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:10:55 GMT


Anyone know of a source for the blue Oldsmobile 455 engine paint
(1970)?  I've checked several of my catalogs (Year One, etc.) and
haven't seen it listed.

I have seen a GM Corporate BLUE listed.  Anyone know if this is close?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
--
Joseph P. Cernada	AIT, Inc.
914/347-6860		50 Executive Blvd.
cernada@ait.com		Elmsford, New York 10523
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From: chattend@encore.com (Charles H.Hattendorf)
Subject: 51 Studebaker starlight regal
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:43:44 GMT
Keywords: Studebaker

	Hi Folks!
	I am looking for a 1951 Studebaker Starlight Regal with
auto and v8 in fair to good condition. Any help would be greatly
appreciated! Please email response to chattend@encore.com
	THANKS...
	Charlie
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From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
Subject: Re: 1967 Chevelle Convertible - prrice question, etc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:45:33 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

 1967 is the year before the body style change. The body is more rectangular.
The engine is your basic Chevy L-6 or small block V-8 most likely, with the
parts interchangeability that implies. The top will have a plastic rear window.
The structure is body-on-frame. 

 $5000 is about the going rate for an all-original, unrusted or well-restored
version with decent interior and no mechanical problems. Prices (asking) can
go up past $10K for -perfect- ones, but very few daily drivers can reach 
(or stay at) that plateau. Esthetics and collectability aside, your criteria
should be the same as looking at any other $5000 car.

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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: Fliming Car wrecks (was:  Thelma & Louise)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:43:45 GMT

	Everyone pretty much agrees here that subsitute cars are used in a 
lot of movies, so I'll hold back my question about the '57 Chevrolet run
off a brigde in "Eddie and the Cruisers".  Besides, this post is about 
another show...
	Anyone remember NBC's 1987-88 show "Crime Story"?  To recap, its the 
story of a young hood becoming a crime boss, and a tough cop trying to stop 
him.  It is circa 1963 and changed locations from Chicago to Las Vegas for
its second season.
	'Nostalgic Cars' magazine did an article a while back about the cars of 
Crime story.  Mostly they said it had a stable of about 20 regular cars, and 
others changed for filming.
	 Some cars, the article said, were reapiared and repainted in between 
filming episodes.  One scene they mentioned called for one of their 1958 Ford 
Fairlane Sedans to crash into a Ford panel van.  After filming both were 
repaired and used again.  The article said the cars were pretty much repaired 
and reused until the damage was too great to repair

	A side note to the person who will not have his car in a film anymore.  
The producers of "Crime Story" often had local collectors decorate the set with 
their cars.  During one chase scene a driver took a turn too fast and 
side-swiped some guys Imperial.  The owner was pretty upset until the producers 
agreed to pay for it to be repaired at the best body shop in Las Vegas...

	*Sigh, when I think of all the '68 Chargers trashed to make 'The Dukes 
of Hazzard'.  I agree with some forgotten letter-writer to CAR CRAFT magazine:

"Why cound't they drive Ford Granadas instead?" 
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From: mvcjp@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.j.pouliot)
Subject: Thunderbird Restoration
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:10:27 GMT


	This *Was* 1969 Thunderbird Question...

	Hi - I restored a 1965 Thunderbird in the mid-seventies, and I wish I
		had it now but... The one in Thelma and Louise was a 1966
		model. The 64, 65, and 66 models were all essentially the same
		with slightly different noses. Here's the most noticeable
		differences...

	1963 - looked "boxy" like a continental 

	1964 - word Thunderbird is spelled out letter by letter on the hood
	1965 - there is a 10" Thunderbird emblem on the front of the hood
	1966 - the grill is sort of checkerboard looking

	1967 - flat nost, hidden electric lights, suicide 4-door model

	If the nose, whick is almost all chrome, is in good physical shape,
	almost everything else can be found (eventually *sigh*) or fixed. The
	worst thing for me was the hydraulic power steering pump (which also
	controls the butterfly-type windshield wipers), and the phenominally
	complex vacuum hose system! There's this cute gizmo thats at the top
	of the back of the french love seat that 64-66 T-birds have for a back
	seat that exhausts all stale air from the car - a couple of vacuum
	controlled doors. Handy in the 70s for getting rid of J-bar smoke :-)
	
	My 65 was so loaded with options and incredible features that it still
	is very impressive by todays standards! It's great to give someone 
	their 1st time T-bird ride and slide the steering wheel over to the 
	right and say "You drive". You can't drive in this position, because
	it's only a "getting in/ getting out" convienience, but it flips people
	out every time!

					Good Luck
						- Charlie

	P.S. Fair warning to those who might want to restore one of the
		1974 through 1978 Cadillac Eldorado's: DON'T DO IT $$$$$$$$$$
.