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From: sandman@sx.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Destruction and Delirium
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:34:32 GMT
Reply-To: sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk (sandman)

In an attempt to get a wierd thread continued.....

In article <cole.721084224@lea> cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
>
>Now for a new theory:
>
>When Dream was a prisoner, "something" made an attempt to replace him
>with the Golden Age Sandman.  Since Destruction abdicated his post,
>perhaps a similar replacement has been made.  I've seen the theory that
>it is perhaps Lobo but I've yet to see anyone suggest Doomsday.
>Doomsday is most likely more destructive than Lobo.  Besides, Doomsday
>with that most important of letters (although the person that suggested
>Lobo mentioned his Endless-type skin color).
>
>Okay, it's a goofy theory.  Still, I would love to see Neil take a crack
>at Superman.
>
>-RGC

No then..
	If you have read the Lobo mini series he does meet with death..
	.. further more the memorandum to dieties states not to kill
	him.

	Does that make Lobo endless?????

	- The man with a bad mail alias to send post here.....



 - The Sandman
From: lucke@plains.NoDak.edu (Kyle Lucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Legion of Super-Heroes...
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:13:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bx99BB.Grt
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <lfhj8oINN2i7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>No argument there. If I had to pick two things that tick me off about the
>series, this would be one, the second being the the absence of Wildfire.
>
>Abhijit

But haven't you heard?  Wildfire is supposedly the sun!  We see him all
the time. :-)


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--------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
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Electrical Engineering Major    |       they want and that is beautiful" 
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From: mstailey@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael David Stailey)
Subject: Image guys in DETAILS magazine (October)
Originator: mstailey@l_ecn03
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:54:50 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


I don't know if any of you saw it or not, but DETAILS
magazine ran a three or four page article on the guys
from Image. It was another suck up article done by some
guy who knows very little about comics. Case in point,
in concluding, the writer makes reference to "Spiderman
swinging through the streets of Gotham." In any case,
it makes for some interesting reading.

--
Michael
mstailey@icaen.uiowa.edu
-- 

--
Michael
mstailey@icaen.uiowa.edu
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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro)
Subject: Star Wars: Dark Empire (possible spoilers)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:34:29 GMT

(possible spoilers ahead!!)
(I hope this works. If not, sorry.)^L

Was anyone else as disappointed in this issue as I was? Despite all the  
negative press the series had gotten, I really hoped that the series would pick
up in the last issue. Call em an optomist, I guess.
     I really got the impression that the writer (Tom Veitch, was it? I don't 
have my issue here) wanted another full issue but couldn't get it.  When a 
comic ends so abruptly that I turn the page and am puzzled to see a lettercol 
instead of several more pages of story, I feel cheated.  This was what 
happened last night.
     (Gods below this letter is unintelligible! It's because I'm so shaken up 
about how profoundly bad this issue was. Sorry)
     I'd be interested in hearing other people's comments on the end of 
this...series.  Am I alone in being upset that the Emperor was wiped out that 
easily?  Am I the only one who hoped against all hope and character licencing 
that Luke would not break free from the Dark Side (or at least that something 
horrible would happen)? There must be others who are upset about the Deus ex R2
that was pulled on us.  But all the issues in the Lettercol were so damn 
*positive*!! I felt just like I was reading LSH >:->
     And you know what's worse? The next series starts just far enough from now
that my angst over this series will have passed and I'll be tempted to pick it
up! Somebody please post to me in May and warn me against it!!
     There. I have vented.  I think tonight I will re-read all 6 issues and see
if they make more sense as a whole.  As Han (and everyone else) says, though, 
"I've got a bad feeling about this!"
          Hoping the new movies (and Last Command) are better!!
                    kristoff
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Chicago area residents - HELP!
Organization: The Little Ash Can Squids of the Poor
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:28:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.220023.7294@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> rsanders@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Robert Sanders) writes:

>HELP!  In this weeks Comics Buyer's Guide, I saw an ad that
>said Neil Gaiman was going to be at Moondog's in Chicago on
>Saturday, and they were going to be premiering a new     
>24-hour comic that he has written (I can't remember the name -
>but it was pretty long...BUT I digress)

It's the 24-hour comic that appeared in the back of Cerebus. Moondoggie's 
is selling those roughed out editions. (Ash Cans? What are those things
called?) 

They're also selling two titles by Alan Moore. See the ad in the latest
CBG. 

You know if someone were to send me a copy, I might promise never to write
any more long and wandering articles about obscure historical/mythical
references in Sandman. Just a thought. Mailing address on request. B{) 
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "He is an aristocrat and a peanut. Citizen 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  St Just says that is enough to warrant his 
    Reynard and Tybert's   |  death. I do not wish to argue with St Just."
        Biggest Fan        |             _Mr Peanut and the Reign of Terror_
From: lucke@plains.NoDak.edu (Kyle Lucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH 38:  Da Big One
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:08:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bx8EHq.GKr
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov5.064019.12752@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <Bx86Bo.F5u@ns1.nodak.edu> lucke@plains.NoDak.edu (Kyle Lucke) writes:
>>
>>Interlac.  Makes me think back to when the LSH deluxe series was first
>>starting, when I first started reading the LSH, and I went combing through
>>all the back issues I had purchased from a friend, just finding little
>>instances of Interlac, and making my own little chart of the alphabet. 
>>Ah, to be that age again when you could find such pleasure scouring comic
>>art for such things.  And then finding out that there already was a
>>published alphabet in #311, which I hadn't found in back issues yet.  Ah,
>>those were the days...
>>
>
>So, how close was your chart to the real thing?  Just curious.
>

My version was identical.  The alphabet that is.  I hadn't decoded the
numbers, since the only one I knew for sure was 5, from Brainiac-5's
symbol on the Mission Monitor board-thingie.  But my alphabet was perfect.
 Oh and I think I had three too, from a bit where they had Oli-3 Queen
tours giving tours of Legion HQ, and on the side of his little tour bus
was written Oli-3 Tours.  <sigh>

I had so much fun.

Now I'm just...



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--------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
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Electrical Engineering Major    |       they want and that is beautiful" 
lucke@plains.nodak.edu          |   They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start 
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From: yingst@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (JIM YINGST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Watchmen ftp site?
Keywords: watchmen
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:17:00 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.201502.14709@stsci.edu>, wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes...
>In article <10NOV199220372847@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> yingst@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (JIM YINGST) writes:
>>OK, I've found out that there are files at farut.sys.toronto.edu, located in
                                             ^^^^^
>>pub/comics/watchmen.  Some files may require use of the UNIX command 'fold' 
>>to get acceptable line lengths, but most of the files look fine to me.  
>>Thanks to Windsor Morgan for answering my original query (the only one to do
>>so!)  I'm posting here for those others who also wanted to know.
> 
>Actually, it has been brought to my attention that the site mentioned
>above is incorrect; it is actually ferut.sys.toronto.edu (128.100.2.220).

Oops!  My fault!  Windsor gave me the right address the first time;  I was the
originator of the typo.  Sorry to all who were affected.

Jim Yingst	yingst@ccit.arizona.edu
From: sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Doomsday Series
Date: 7 Nov 1992 23:43:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I just finished reading Action #684 and need some info. I was 
able to get MOS #18 and JLA #69, but missed Supes #74 and AOS 
#497. In Action #684, Superman refers to some of the damage
done to the JLA (Beetle in coma, Booster seriously injured,etc.)
Could someone fill me in as to what exactly happened to the JLA,
especially Guy Gardner (he's one of my fav characters)
			Thanx in advance!
-- 
Scott Casteel <<sbc>>
   "Wanna make somethin' out of it?"
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From: wesselak@sunb0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
Subject: Fast Forward
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:06:17 GMT

I was quite surprised and pleased to walk into my comic shop yesterday and see
that Pirhana has started a new anthology book, "Fast Forward."  However, when
I looked at the credits, my delight turned to disgust.  Perhaps you can see my
dilemna:

	Pro:  It's Pirhana
	Pro:  It's got Dave McKean

If it were but for these two facts, you'd have to hold me back, kicking, from
buying it, but...

	Con:  It's got Grant Morrison

Whom I have taken an unspoken oath never to read his work again.

So, has anyone bought this, and, if so, Is the Morrison story his typical
drivel, or will I be able to swallow it?  The McKean art looked wonderful, as
usual.  And how are the other stories?

Erik

-- 
"'Yup' was a word that that skirted confusion and bared its      __| /  |__
friendly soul without the slightest hint of foul play.  'You     __|<  /|__
want another beer?' asked Krut.  'Yup,' Mojo replied without       | \/ |
hesitation."--Krut & Mojo the aliens, BSFUC.   Erik: wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:51:02 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LSH: Elizabeth in lettercol!
	<1dokdcINN6oc@alice.cs.purdue.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 10-Nov-92 Re: LSH: Elizabeth
in lette.. James Berninger@cs.purdu (668)

> In article <0eyqCTG00WDKE5mp9_@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon
> <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Since such a big deal was made out of Elmo getting mentioned in the
> >lettercol, I thought it would be nice to point out that Elizabeth
> >Holden's letter (regarding #31) was printed (in what appears to be its
> >entirety) in the lettercol of #38....

> Hey!  Mine was in there too!  Where's *my* mention?

> Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
> berninge@cs.purdue.edu          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
> B0.2 f(~) w- c- g k? s- e r- p   \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
> Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"


right                                              ^^^^^^              
there :)

(sorry about that Jim)

-- Vernon.
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From: mikeo@seas.gwu.edu (Michael J O'Malley)
Subject: Re: Hulk
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:02:33 GMT

In article <9211100302.AA06034@hrt216.brooks.af.mil> Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil> writes:
>On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:56:19 GMT, gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) said:
>
> Roger> In article <69160@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>In regards to Delphi's vision of the Hulk's mental state, laughing with
>>blood on his hands...why,it was right there in Hulk #400, page 46,
>>panel 1.  I'm
>>surprised no one has commented on it.
>
> Roger> 	But Peter.....we're FAR too smart to comment on the
> Roger> obvious.
>
>	Personally, I was tempted to post a message screaming:
>			FRAUD!FRAUD!FRAUD!FRAUD!
>	That heavy-handed forshadowing for ONE panel?  That was
>definitely a waste of your talents, Peter.

   Or maybe the panel itself was foreshaodwing, given PAD's discussion of
the absence of the savage Hulk...A sign of things to come?

Mike
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Who should join Image
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:17:08 GMT

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>In <1992Nov3.180635.5843@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>+>Hmm.  The Image-inaries seem to be out in force today.  At least one person 
>+>that list, PAD, has about as much chance of joining Image as Ross Perot 
>+>for Bush today.  All indications are that PAD harbors a certain (perhaps
>+>degree of ill-will toward Image in general and a few of its artists in 
>+>specific.  Of course, I'm waiting for Time-Warner to buy Malibu so it can
>+>in on the money....

>	Company robots always hate anything where people outside the 
>"plantation(s)" have the chance to make money.  You see, your supposed
>to be "loyal" to your company which always has your best intrests at

What does this have to do with PAD?  In the past year he's written for
Marvel, The Little Mermaid (Disney/Gladstone ?), Creepy (Dark Horse or
Harris?), done a column for Comics Buyers Guide,
and soon will be doing Aquaman (DC.)  It seems to me like he
writes where he's welcome.  Why label him (to paraphrase) a company
drone?

>heart.  And if the company orders you to put out books with bad plots and
>silly stories, thats just the way things are.  

Bad plots and silly stories?  Well, not everything can be Maus.

>You take what the master's
>say is a reasonable cut and keep quiet.

PAD keep quiet?  He seems to be very opinionated in his CBG column.

>	I mean the whole idea of image....creators actually owning characters
>and taking a large share of the money is absurd and evil.  Besides which
>anyone who leaves marvel has no talent anyway.

Where are these remarks coming from?  Are they quotes?  Paraphrasals?
Or just your opinions?

Tom
From: smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: I, Lusiphur
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.96844

Has anyone else read this title.  I believe that it was writen, drawn, lettered,
self published by Drew Hayes, under Mulehide Graphics.  There were three issues
and mostly was a take-off of Cerebus, with an elf instead of an aardvark.  I
thought the artwork had some pontential, along with the story writing.  But
I have not seen an issue since number three.  Does anyone know where the book
went to, or what happened to the artist?

Douglas Smith
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From: mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Perler)
Subject: Superman's Replacement???
Originator: mdp2842@ultb
Keywords: joke
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:47:41 GMT

This posting is a joke and not meant to be taken seriously. As far as
I know, this is original, probably because no one else would want the
credit for it. :-)

The discussions on the Marvelization of DC and the speculation that
Superman would return as a kick-a** type of hero made me think of the
following possible return of Superman. Actually, it's more of a
replacement for Superman, but anyway...

Unknown to us, before Krypton exploded, there was a second rocket launched,
with another infant. This child grew up normally, got married, and started
a family. One day, he took his wife and kids to Central Park for a picnic.
Unfortunately, they stumbled upon a mob hit. The Kryptonian's family was
killed, but he was saved due to his invulnerability. Learning of Superman's
death, he decides to take Kal-El's place in order to wipe out all crime
everywhere.

The name of this second Kryptonian: Cast-El, of course. :-)

Mike P.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:24:49 GMT

In article <BxBI7H.8wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Sh
akespeare) writes:
>The failure to totally evac the earth was just stupid.  They had two
>healthy Daxamites and one recouping one at their disposal, plus a
>pseudo Daxamite (Jo Nah).  Valor (ick--Mon El) can move Neutron stars.
>All they have to do is super-speed build arks, load 'em, and have the
>Daxamites lift them into orbit.

Build them out of what?  Crumbling buildings?  Besides, I think Lar is trying 
to get out of that god business.
>
>Or at least have the Daxamites move the "new earth" space thing, rather
>than shoving it into the phantom zone (oops, I mean ?@#$@? buffer zone).

Er, that thing was so crumbly that if it was moved by pushing at one or two
points they would have lost more than one city in the process.  Inertia is a
harsh mistress.

>If L.E.G.I.O.N can evac a planet, then the legion should be able to also.
>This is just bad writing.

While I won't necessarily argue with the conclusion, I will dispute the 
premise.  Arga Prime had alot less people to evac (only a few tens of millions,
compared to 3 billion or so), and also had a stable platform to evac from.
Arga Prime wasn't having planetquakes every few minutes.

>Also, where was Element Lad?  It seems to me, if you have a toxic waste
>problem that....

It seems to me that Jan has to be able to see the thing to transform it, and 
also lacks the ability to transform matter on a planetary scale.  Of course,
he could have built stable inertron platforms to launch from....  But then, he
left for "parts unknown" before the danger was known.  And the alpha version
would probably lack the experience or stamina for the task.

>Nah, it's not worth wasting the neurons contemplating the stupidity of
>recent LSH events.  I hope they find better writers.  Strike that:  I
>hope they find WRITERS.  What they have now don't qualify.
>
>
>--
>William ("Shakespeare") Gulstad          /  So where are the C.S. babes?
>wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                /  Joni Mitchell for President!
>I vote, so I can complain!               /  Did you vote?  Then don't complain
!
>Republican is the opposite of democracy! /  Tune in, drop out, log on.

As a ponit brought up in another post, the GLs are supposedly all gone now.  
Remember, Celeste has the sum total of the GL energy according to the postcards
and Con rumors.  Here's the bad writing, eh?  No mention of her power source in
the actual book.

     Dave Van Domelen, believes the real reason LSH couldn't match the evac 
success of the LEGION was that they lacked the organizational genius of Garryn 
Bek!
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 Redux (SPOILERS)
Organization: Inspector Squid of the New Scotland Yard
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:47:03 GMT

In <1992Nov6.024131.3127@BofA.com> ross@BofA.COM (Ross Lefstin) writes:

>My contribution to the great 'Who shot Bernie Capax' debate.

>Loki came to mind, but I can't see what his motives would be, but then
>again, he is the trickster.  But he is in no position to piss off Dream.
>Maybe we'll see Dream collect on his favor!

I did suggest a Robin "Puck" Goodfellow vs. Loki match up a few months ago,
just because I'd like to think that only Loki could deal with the rogue
faery. If you can think of a reason why The Puck wouldn't want the Missing
Sibling found, you're welcome to add Loki into the mix.

(At the time I was only half serious, but Puck running the destructive
side of things could explain a lot.)

>Mr. G seems to be pretty conservative about introducing extraneous characters,
>so I wouldn't expect it to be anyone we haven't heard of.

Dunno. I don't think he'd spring someone on us late in the story. ("My Gawd!
It was really Godzilla all this time!") However, I think it would be fair
to add a mysterious figure in either of the next two issues.

>BTW, I noticed that Despair recalls that Destruction abdicated 30 years
>after their stroll through the plague town.

Yeah, I'm still having trouble with the chronology of all this. Does he 
actually abdicate in 1695 or is that the last time she saw him? Various
Endless have said it's been over 300 years, haven't they?  

Perhaps St. Elmo could come up with a complete annotated index to all
mentions of the Missing Sibling. What sayeth thou, O Mighty Elmo? (Why
do I suspect his reply will be physically impossible?)

Re: The Lobo-Destruction connection. Lobo using anything as subtle as a
falling wall? Surely you jest.
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From: sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward)
Subject: Re: Legionnaires merchandise - cloisonne pin
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:35:06 PST

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>A bit of news about DC marketing of "Legionnaires".  This comes via Mary 
>Bierbaum:

>A free Legion "L" Cloisonne pin will be given to retailers for every 100 
>copies of Legionnaires #1 ordered.  The pin will not be available for 
>sale but if a customer orders 100 copies they would be entitled to a pin.

Thanks for the info, not that it'll do me any good.  I'd love to have
the	pin, but I can't imagine any retailers in my area ordering 100
or more copies of Legionnaires.  Even if they did, I can't see them
giving me the pin or letting me purchase it at a reasonable price.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might get one?

Sidne Ward

sward@agsm.ucla.edu   

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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro)
Subject: Re: Star Wars: Dark Empire (possible spoilers)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:36:39 GMT

Sorry the spoiler mark didn't work on my last posting, folks.  Hope you looked 
away quick.
          kristoff
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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: Thanks 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 12:49:56 GMT

Thanks Jim Cowling for posting the new books out this week before
I make to my local shop.  Its a BIG help. 

cliff
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