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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Montgomery J. Moose)
Subject: Re: One Oh
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:28:21 GMT

schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:

>Interesting.  My correspondence with members in Drachenwald, and my
>reading of the Drachenwald mailing list shows that no petion has
>been circulated.  Neither the April nor July Board meeting minutes
>show any discussion of the issue, and the October meeting is to be
>held the 17th (this is the 9th).

>I am greatly mistaken, or are you making this up?  Or, are you
>confusing what happened at Pennsic with reality?

  If this is a rumor, it is a particularly widespread one.  Fridrikr,
Brigantia Principal Herald of the East, said that Drachenwald would be a
kingdom by Pennsic XXII.  (At least, that's what I thought he said--I could
have misunderstood...)
  Can anyone shed some light on this?

		Alan Fairfax Aluricson, Fenris Herald
		Canton of the Riding of Hawkland Moor
		Barony of Northwoods, Midrealm
		atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu		**Magnitudo Vocis**
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.190722.17108@news.arc.nasa.gov> keradwc@news.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Connery) writes:
>Hmm. I'd count it as:
>
>  1)  Courteous
>  2)  Not unsafe
>  3)  Period appearance
>  4)  Fighting well.
>
Nah.
	1) Safe
	2) Courteous
	3) Period
	4) Well
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From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Citrons (was Re: Linen and wool)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:35:50
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
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In-reply-to: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca's message of Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:08:26 GMT

Forgive my ignorance: "Citron" is the Swedish word for "lemon".

What is the difference between a citron and a lemon in English?

William
From: awbaben@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Marcel Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Unescorted Minors at Events
Keywords: minors releases
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:20:17 GMT
Reply-To: awbaben@accucx.UUCP (Marcel Kramer)
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht, The Netherlands

Greetings to all gentles on the bridge from Gerulf,

Hal Ravn wrote:
H> I believe that point was addressed.  I would rephrase you question to:
H> Why didn't the adult that brought the teens know s/he needed the
H> Minor's Waiver and Minor's Medical Waivers signed by the parents?
 
About Kingdom Anthropology, could you explain what 'Minor's Medical Waivers'
are? I think I can guess what 'Minor's Waivers' are but 'Medical Waivers'?
I've never heard about them. Now, I'm from Drachenwald, outside the US, so
it's possible that we do things a little different. Or maybe its because 
I'm a newby. (Well, relatively speaking that is.) :-)

Yours, Gerulf


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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Carrying a sword
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:12:02 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Greetings from Arval!  Michael Carson asked:

> 	Would the name "Lord Plume de me Tante" be allowed?  I thought there
> was a special signifigance to the title "Lord" in the SCA? 

There is; it indicates that the gentle has an Award of Arms.  In general,
one should not adopt a title which could imply noble rank or lordship of
land. 

> 	Do you know if the bit about removing it before apporaching the
> thrones in Court applies to the East Kingdom?

Not formally.  Some people disarm before approaching the thrones, others do
not.  There is no generally accepted etiquette.  

This raises an interesting question: Is there any evidence of medieval
courtiers (a) carrying weapons at banquets & in court  
          (b) ceremonially disarming before approaching the king
or is it all adopted from some movie?

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From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Alchemy
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:41:17 GMT
Organization: Old, used . . .

In article <9210072250.AA07780@inmet.camb.inmet.com> justin@inmet.camb.inmet.COM (Justin du Coeur MKA Mark Waks) writes:
>Question: how far back did alchemy in the Christian world go? Most of
>the "major" alchemists I've heard about have been pretty late; the
>ones I can think of offhand seem to all be Renaissance. Not that
>Renaissance is OOP, but I *am* curious...

	Jung (in his alchemical works, especially "Mysterium
Conjunctionis", traces it back to Graeco-Roman Antiquity -- his earliest
text was from about 500 A.D., showing earlier roots.

	Again according to Jung, it ends shortly after our period -- with
the rise of modern science in the middle 1600s.


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From: lindal@goddess.asd.sgi.com (Linda Levy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:47:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.



Greetings.

In the West, the Royal Regalia (Pavillion, rug, thrones, eric, etc, (you
know, the LARGE stuff) travels in a large (u-haul size) trailer, pulled by
either the Keepers of the royal regalia (yes, its a lesser office) or by
whoever they can find to haul it for them.  The smaller stuff (crowns,
cloaks, etc) is hauled by the royalty themselves, so that they make it to
to every event the royalty go to.

I have noticed a tendancy here that the higher the rank, the smaller the
vehicle (if the fighter is unmarried, with no family.) Remember Radnors VW
bug, or chris of houghtons little orange sports car. They were usually
followed by a LARGE household with a LARGE van or pick-up.  

Linda of the Lakelands (west)
lindal@asd.sgi.com
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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Baronial Qualifications
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:40:20 GMT


 JM> That is clearly not true.  Here's a list of objective 
 JM> criteria for choosing a landed baron:
 (list not quoted)

 I would add:

 1.  Belongs to the Barony's Service Order.  Seems logical -- unless they've  been willing to work for and with the group in the past, how can they be good  at leading it?

 2.  Has some sense of panoply and showmanship -- what's the point of holding  Court if your leaders don't know how to put on a good show?  This also  applies to making presentaions for the Baorny to the Crown, and to putting on  a good show when travelling, which is more than just dressing the part.  A  good example would be making sure that at least one of the Baronial Pavilions  travels with you, so your subjects have a place to sit in the shade with  you at the tournament.  It also provides a focal poi







nt.  A lot of this can be  accomplished with chosing good entourage, who anticipate the Baron (and  Baroness - I know we're being generic, but this occasionally needs  mentioning) 's needs and takes care of them.

 That's my two cents worth, as a seneschal of two different sets of Baronial  couples, and Head Lady-in-Waiting to the second set.

 --- Vashti of the Flaming Tresses

 

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From: mabr@sweden.hp.COM (Morgan the Dreamer Broman)
Subject: Re: Term Limits for the Landed Baroncy
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:01:19 GMT


	I have followed this thread with some interest, for quite some
	time.
	We here in Nordmark (Sweden) are just now running into the small
	hell of having to find a new baron/baroness. Due to personal pro-
	blems of different kinds and politics beeing played...there has
	already been some problems.
	Maybe we should just become a province instead, a number of people
	here are beginning to express that idea. Why...because of the problems
	with "voting", "appointing" and all the (B-S :) :) ) stuff that that
	means on the political side and on the personal side.

	Our biggest problem is the fact that NOW we find out that we dont
	have any real rules for how to handle this. We have lived with a
	pair on the thrones that have not caused any GREAT complains lar-
	gely due to the fact that they have been to a large extent inactive. 
	So called "burn-out" seems to be the word for it.
	I was Prince for 6 month following a 3 month period as Tanist...me
	and my Lady were actively traveling around during that period, Pennsic
	etc...and afterwards I felt like just dropping it all. Thats not to
	mention the cost of all the trips...U.S/Germany etc.

	If we had had procedures and a timelimit (with renewal option...
	perhaps) for the reign, then this would not be a problem. And who
	said that a good baron/baroness could not come back again, just like
	the Kings/Queens etc. :) :) :) :) :)

	FWIW(For What It's Worth)

	I sign "in the Middle of IT"

	M//
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:00:36 GMT

In article <16369@mindlink.bc.ca> Colin_Hart@mindlink.bc.ca (Colin Hart) writes:
>Greetings from Colin MAckay of Balmaghie in An TIr. I can get all my SCA gear
>for a camping weekend into my Nissan Sentra, and yes I am a fighter! Who
>needs pickups? After all ones gear grows to fill space available! Our Baron
>once mused that probably the ideal SCA vehichle was a 40 ft hi cube trailer!
>I don't even qwant to think about having to store all that gear in my poor
>wee house!:-)

So... Get a bigger house.  Then you can face the problem that SCA
'stuff' expands to overfill whatever household storage capactiy you
have (no matter how much that is...).

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Why have the SCA, Inc.?
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:00:58 GMT

In article <4eqHip_00WB8EJjF98@andrew.cmu.edu> David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I was pricing a 386 or 486 PC with a 100Mb+ hard disk for $1200-1500,
>software in the $500 range, a Bernoulli-box or tape backup for another
>$500 or so, plus $2000 for a HEAVY DUTY fast line printer to print the
>mailing labels in a reasonable amount of time, plus supplies like tapes
>or cartridges for backups.  I didn't add in the _annual_ cost elements 
>like ribbons and paper and service contracts (we _do_ want the printer
>fixed in a hurry _when_ it breaks down while trying to meet a tight
>deadline, don't we... ?).  I'm doing this pricing from memory (Mac
>pricing I know backwards and forwards, PC's are another matter), 
>but I'd bet you can't buy a really rugged line printer for much
>less than $2000 -- please tell me if I'm wrong.

A couple of points....  A really rugged printer is one alternative.
Another alternative is to buy two or three much cheaper printers and
toss 'em when the wear out.  I have a wide-carriage 24-pin unit at
home I picked up early this year (new) for about $280.  At that price
you can afford to burn 'em up and toss 'em.  (If it comes to that...I
printed about 1300 labels on it last night in under an hour.)

Folks are also over estimating the amount of storage and machine speed
required.  Figure about 100 bytes per entry, and a 20,000 entry file
around 20MB.  100MB drive gives room to rattle around.  For under
$5,000, one could probably put together 2 thuroughly adequate--or at
least one good and one backup--systems.

Another point to remember when talking about this subject--the SCA had
a need for systems several years ago when enough disk space and enough
throughput *wasn't* nearly so cheap.  It wasn't that many years ago
that disk drive prices fell below $1000--and that 10MB drives.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:57:47 GMT

In article <1558@niktow.canisius.edu> salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:
>Vashti of the Flaming Tresses writes:
>> Ansteorran monarchs often have pickup trucks, or friends in their 
>> entourage with pickup trucks, 
>
>I've noticed that here in the East.  At a demo at a school, I made the comment 
>that you could tell which vehicles in the parking lot belonged to fighters, 
>all the pickups and vans.  Lord Madog, who was in Atlantia while in the Army, 
>said that in Atlantia, you could skip the phrase 'and vans'.  If you don't 
>have a pickup, you ain't a _real_ fighter.  How is it in the other 10 kingdoms?

Around here it seems to vary with how seriously one camps comforatbly
and period.  Vans and large pickups are used by folks in larger
encampments--sometimes, plus trailers.

I use a VW Vanagon with the middle seat taken out and then complain
about a lack of interior space...

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Dancing; post-period sources...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:39:22 GMT

The Honorable Lady Gwenllian says to Master Justin de Couer:
>>..Strip the Willow.  I know that we don't find instructions for reels 
>>until past any reasonable "slop-date" but I do know that they are mentioned
>>in period, very late, but 159?  (1593 is what has stuck in my memory).
>>  Based on that mention, and the very simple nature and lack of 
>>known post-period elements, I would think Strip the Willow would be 
>>acceptable....to my feeling of "authenticity"...

That a class of dance is mentioned in period isn't useful.  Imagine someone
trying to justify an item of garb on the grounds that "dresses are mentioned
in period and this is as dress."  (To take an example closer to the topic,
jigs are also mentioned in period.  If we were missing a few references,
we might not realize that those jigs were in 4/4 time, and not in 6/8 time.)
The best we can do with Strip the Willow is trace it to the eighteenth
century.  But, one might say, it has an older feel?

Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring):
>Somehow, Strip the Willow doesn't 'feel' early enough to me...  It feels
>later than Fandango...

It doesn't feel early enough to me either (though this judgment may be
biased because I know too much about its provenance).  So what does
this tell us?  Either it tells us that 'feel' is subjective, and hence
not a useful basis for judging, or that in the hands of someone with
enough experience it's a useful starting point -- but that it has to
be backed up with evidence.  Either way, it's not enough.

The reason this is important is that most dancers *don't* have enough
experience, and rely on others.  To return to the garb analogy, I've
seen new Scadians show up with nineteenth-century dresses.  They learn
better.  But how would they learn if others who were here before them
told them that their dresses looked "reasonably medieval"?  Yet we turn
out dancers who believe that "Strip the Willow", "Hole in the Wall",
and "Black Nag" typify "period dancing".  Why should they doubt that
Korobushka has an authentic feel?

-----
Dani of the Seven Wells
dani@netcom.com

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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:28:41 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

> Greetings from Colin MAckay of Balmaghie in An TIr. I can get all my SCA gear
> for a camping weekend into my Nissan Sentra, and yes I am a fighter! Who
> needs pickups? After all ones gear grows to fill space available! Our Baron
> once mused that probably the ideal SCA vehichle was a 40 ft hi cube trailer!
> I don't even qwant to think about having to store all that gear in my poor
> wee house!:-)

If you _did_ have a 40 foot high cube trailer, you wouldn't _need_ to store 
all that gear in your poor wee house ;-)

                                                       - Dagonell

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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: The dream (tm)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:13:50

 JB>  We didn't start with 'how it was,' but 'how it should have been,'
 JB>  The S.C.A.'s a place for -both-: You -get out- what you -put in- 
 JB> ... We are such stuff as Dreams are made of ............

 Vivat!  You say it well, my friend!

 ..may all your dreams come true!

 -- Vashti


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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Mega-Dukes
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:08:12 GMT


 EH> Inman five times.  I don't know how many times Dutchess Sir Rowan 
 EH> and Duke Sir Hector have
 EH> reigned, but I believe Hector was already a Duke and Rowan was already a
 EH> dutchess when she won crown.

 Lord Elwyn, you are correct.
 Duke Hector and Duchess Rowan have reigned together 3 times, the first two  with him as the Ruler by Right of Arms, the third with her in that title.

 Duke Patrick Michael Gordon and Duchess Julia Montoya have also held the  throne 3 times.

 I don't recall if Duke Michael of Monmouthshire and Duchess Rebekka die  Blonde have ruled two or three times.  If three, then I think that's the only  other set of triples we have in Ansteorra.

 ..wonder if we'll get new blood again, or a re-run next Crown?  Time will  tell.

 -- Vashti


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From: mgrable@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Marguerite Grable)
Subject: Spaniards, Anywhere?
Keywords: Spanish personae
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:34:10 GMT


Greetings!

I have been a Middle-Eastern persona since joining SCA nine years ago,
but would like to make a slow transition to a Spanish persona.  
Problem: where does one acquire patterns for Spanish garb?  I'm 
calling on all you already established Spaniards for advice...

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From: JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Re:One Oh
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:26:53 GMT
 pserv.utas.edu.au><1992Oct8.223902.19407@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au><1b4e75INN1og@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1b4e75INN1og@agate.berkeley.edu>, cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
says:
>
>In article <1992Oct8.223902.19407@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>
>mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis) writes:
>>
>>*    Six for the Six proud Servants
>>
>>The six required great offices for a baronial or higher group:
>>Seneschal, Herald, Chronicler, Marshal, A/S Officer & Reeve.
>
>Waitaminnit.  Reeve?  What's a Reeve?  How do you say "Reeve" in
>Western?
>
Mabye it's whatever your version of the eastern Chatelane is?
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Seneschal's courts
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:45:43 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

> = Hal Ravn 
> > = Morgan 

> I was talking with the Prince of the Mists about a month ago and was
> kidding him by asking if he'd been to every group in the Principality.
> His (quite serious) answer was, "No, but by the time I step down, I
> will have."

Bravo!  As apposed to the recent-but-shall-remain-nameless Prince and Princess
who, upon being told that the Principality Seneschal had accepted a bid for
their investiture from West Virginia sniffed, "Surely you don't expect us to
travel all the way down there?" 
 
> >At a 1-5 ratio of paid to non-paid
> >(aproximately right for our group, and probably typical for the SCA) that
> >means you need about 150 people in your group.  
 
> While I won't dispute your figure for your local group,
> I *have* to dispute it as an SCA-wide average.  The hardest data I
> have comes from the waivers and sign-in logs at West kingdom events.
> For kingdom-level events the ratio of members to non-members has
> slipped from 3:1 to 2:1 over the last 2 to 3 years.  That's now 2
> members for every non-member at these events.  I have heard claims
> that the ratio for East kingdom events is roughly the reverse--1
> member for every 3 non-members.

Based on the waivers for Ice Dragon, I'd say that's about right.  However,
I also admit Ice Dragon is atypical for an event.  It seems to be the annual
"mundane spouse goes with active SCAdian to an event" event. ;-)

                                                       - Dagonell

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