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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:33:43 EST
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Word processing for Cambodian

If you can help, please reply directly to Dr. Cnaan:

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From:         CNAAN@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU
Subject:      Wordprocessor in Cambodian or Vietnamese

A colleague of mine is working on a project to study family structure
(especially garndparenting and grandchildrens) in newly arrived immigrants
from Cambodia and Vietnam.  For that matter she wants to equip the
interviewers with computers and wordprocessors that will be able to
store the data in the original language rather than having them trnaslated
to English (and then risking the loss of culturally relevant information).
If there is anyone out there who can provide some support or
direction please answer directly to me.  Thanks in advance to all.
Please responsd to:   CNAAN@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU

Ram A. Cnaan
Associate professor
School of Social Work
University of Pennsylvania
3701 Locust walk
Philadelphia PA 19104
Tel: (215) 898-5523 Fax: (215) 573-2099
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:54:40 PST
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Thais told to review "CONSTRUCTIVE" Burma policy

RTw  11/08 0005  THAIS TO REVIEW ``CONSTRUCTIVE'' BURMA POLICY

    By Sutin Wannabovorn
    BANGKOK, Nov 8, Reuter - Thailand is to review its policy of "constructive
engagement" towards the military junta in Burma and will take a softer line on
exiled Burmese students, a highly-placed government source told Reuters.
    Bangkok has been criticised by Western governments and the Burmese
opposition for its close ties with its neighbour, whose record of repression
is labelled appalling by international human rights groups.
    Up to now Bangkok has said the policy was aimed at coaxing the ruling
generals towards democracy rather than confronting them.
    "We will have to overhaul the Burma policy. I am against all measures that
contribute to prolonging the power of the SLORC," the source said of the
ruling State Law and Order Restoration Council.
    The Burmese military took direct power in 1988 by killing thousands to
crush a nationwide pro-democracy uprising.
    Opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, the 1991 Nobel Peace Prize winner, is
now in her fourth year of house arrest.
    The source said it was decided to review policy because of the strong
human rights position taken by U.S. President-elect Bill Clinton.
    Plans to round up exiled Burmese students will be eased, the source said.
    The Thai Interior Ministry has prepared what it called "safety areas" for
Burmese students and threatened to prosecute as illegal immigrants those who
do not register.
    When the scheme started last week only a handful of students reported to
the authorities.
    "These students are not criminals. They are the future of Burma, a new
generation who will fight for democracy so we will not treat them like
criminals," the source said.
    The government will relax the deadline for students to go to the camps and
will later seek appropriate measures to help them stay in Thailand until the
situation in Burma improves.
    Thousands of Burmese students, Buddhist monks and political activists fled
the country to seek refuge in Thailand in 1988.
    The Thai government has issued temporary visas to more than 1,300 exiles,
among them 516 students. The cards expired last Thursday.
    Most students said they would go underground.
 REUTER SUT MH JS
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From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Burma says war with Karen rebels will continue

RTw  11/07 2324  BURMA SAYS WAR WITH KAREN REBELS WILL CONTINUE

    BANGKOK, Nov 8, Reuter - Burma will keep up the battle against Karen rebels
despite a suspension ordered in April, a senior member of Rangoon's military
junta said, quoted by Burmese radio.
    "The war...has to continue," Major-General Khin Nyunt told staff at Rangoon
University, according to a radio report on Saturday monitored in Bangkok.
    "The...guerrillas continue to attack our positions which has forced the
government to resume military operations against them," he said.
    Khin Nyunt is first secretary of Burma's State Law and Order Restoration
Council (SLORC), the junta established after the military crushed a
pro-democracy movement in 1988.
    Thai army sources say the Burmese government has deployed thousands of fresh
troops in its eastern states bordering Thailand since early last month to launch
an offensive against the ethnic minority Karens, who have been waging a
secessionist war since 1948.
    The deployment has taken place despite Rangoon announcing in April that it
would suspend operations against the rebels.
    Karen and Thai army sources say more than 200 Burmese soldiers and rebels
have been killed since fighting resumed last month.
    Khin Nyunt accused Karen rebels of sabotaging a national convention
scheduled for January 9, the radio said.
    "If the national convention fails...the Karen guerrillas are to blame," he
said.
    Thai army sources said that about 200 Burmese troops who crossed into
Thailand on Thursday in pursuit of Karenni rebels returned to Burma on
Saturday.
    The Karenni are an offshoot of the Karen Nation United (KNU), the umbrella
Karen organisation.
 REUTER SUT DF JS
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:40:17 CST
From:         Alvin Say Lye Ow <S110374@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Node address in U of Hull, UK..?

Does anybody here know how to find the node address of University of Hull in Un
ited Kingdom ?
Please reply to me privately if you have any idea about this..thank you!



Say Lye Ow
S110374@umrvma.umr.edu
Dept of Elec Engr.
U of Missouri-Rolla
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:16:23 PST
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Thai troops reinforce border with Burma

UPn  11/06 0705  Thai troops reinforce border with Burma

   Mae Hong Son, Thailand (UPI) -- Thai army troops and Border Patrol Police
Friday reinforced positions along the kingdom's northwestern border, where
about 600 Burmese soldiers were reported to have intruded about two miles
into Thai territory.
   The Burmese army intrusion appeared to be part of a major offensive against
ethnic Karenni insurgent camps in the remote border region, 375 miles
northwest of Bangkok.
   A Thai Air Force L-19 spotter plane flew over the Burmese troops as a
warning, an officer of the Thai Third Infantry Division told United Ptress
International.
   Thai troops fired smoke flares to warn the Burmese troops that they were
nearing Thai border guards, the officer said.
   He said about 200 troops from a combined Thai army and Border Patrol Police
unit called Task Force 35 were being deployed near the Burmese positions
around the Thai village of Ban Huay Nai Soy.
   Thai Villagers erected English language billboards outside their homes
warning the Burmese that they were inside Thailand, the officer said.
   Earlier this week a bombardment by Burmese army mortars forced about 2,000
civilians to flee across the border into Thailand.
   The fighting was part of a general dry season offensive by the Rangoon
junta against ethnic minority populations along Burma's eastern border.
   No reliable casualty figures were available. Thai newspapers said as many
as 100 Burmese troops were killed, along with about 20 insurgents.
   A Thai military source said nine wounded Kerinni soldiers were being
treated at a Thai hospital in Mae Hong Son.
   The current Burmese offensive is aimed at troops of the Karenni National
Progressive Party, believed to number only a few hundred.
   Burmese troops were also reported to be be on the offensive against the
much stronger Karen National Union, which supports an army of about 3,000
well-trained jungle fighters.
   The Karen, Karenni, Shan and other ethnic minorities have been fighting
against the xenophobic Rangoon regime since 1962.
From: mulliner@OUCSACE.CS.OHIOU.EDU (Kent Mulliner)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 16:07:58 GMT
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gustilo@pobox.upenn.edu wrote:

At  8:40 AM 11/11/92 -0700, Wayne D. Powel wrote:
>>Seasia netters:
>>
>>My institution recently joined Internet and I am interested in
>>adding the list soc.culture.asean or other lists related to the
>>region.  I've looked on the "List-of-Lists" but can not find
>>an address.  Can anyone help?
>>
>>Wayne Powel
>>Assistant Professor
>>Department of Psychology
>>Gonzaga University
>>powel@gonzaga.edu

>greetings,

>You need access to a NNTP server which carries the newsgroups. I believe
>you will find it among the bit.listserv.newgroup hierarchy. You do not need
>to subscribe to a listserver in order to read the newsgroups

CLARIFICATION TO ABOVE:

	You do need access to the newsgroups.  These are usually available
on UNIX servers but many universities carry them on other machines.  They are
like a bulletin board (see Ed Krol, THE WHOLE INTERNET USER'S GUIDE & CATALOG
[Sebastapol, CA: O'Reilly & Associates, 1992]), so a subscription
does not apply.  Other news groups, in addition to soc.culture.asean
 on what is referred to as USENET of possible interest include:
alt.culture.indonesia, soc.culture.filipino, soc.culture.thai, and
soc.culture.vietnamese.

	With the help of apakabar, I compiled a list of these for
the last Association for Asian Studies meeting and will paper
mail you a copy.
	K. Mulliner, Ohio University Libraries
	muliner@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:37:06 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      CAM: Prince Sihanouk refused to accept presidency

11/06

PRINCE SIHANOUK HAS REPORTEDLY REFUSED TO ACCEPT PRESIDENCY OF CAMBODIA

PHNOM PENH (NOV. 6) MIDDLE EAST NEWS NETWORK - Prince Sihanouk told a Supreme
National Council (SNC) meeting yesterday that he refused to be elected
Cambodia's president, diplomatic sources said.

The prince complained that the SNC, which he chairs, was being left out of an
initiative endorsed by the UN Security Council to unblock the stalled Cambodian
peace process, the sources said.

The notoriously mercurial prince could change his mind before the May
elections, but his remarks were being taken seriously since his participation
is considered key to the success of the Cambodian peace process, they said.

The Security Council last week reaffirmed that the elections would take place
by May and gave Japan and Thailand until the end of this month to bring the
Khmer Rouge, the sole faction that has refused to implement last year's Paris
peace treaty, back into the peace process.

Sihanouk argued that the Japanese-Thai initiative should involve all four
factions represented on the SNC, and not just the Khmer Rouge.

"He's feeling marginalised," a Western diplomat said. An Asian diplomat was
more charitable, saying, "Sihanouk is feeling frustrated by the lack of
progress."

From: Oman Daily Observer.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:58:38 EDT
From:         "Thang Q. Tran" <THANG@RAMS.VETMED.UFL.EDU>
Subject: Re: US-Vietnam Normalization

> I personally would
> vote for the normalization of relations with Vietnam together with N.
> Korea, and Cuba.

>  Personally, I think that giving them one or two
> Lay's Potato Chips will make them hungry for more.  If they don't know
> what they taste like in the first place, they will keep on eating
> boiled peanuts.
>         In any case, I certainly hope that Bush will take advantage of
> his unique situation and recognize Vietnam so that Clinton and the
> rest of the world can get on with life and come to terms with the very
> real problems of oppression and poverty that plague the region.
>                                 Carl
>
I agree with Carl's point.  Besides, changing the Viet nam goverment
system, in the most part is the Vietnamese responsibility. If the
people know more about the democracy the more they like to adapt it
themselves.  The best way to seed the democracy is not through the
embargo, I think.  Lifting the embargo and teaching the Vietnamese
people what the real democracy is and how it works are ones of the
best ways to win the communist war.
                  thang
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:10:34 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: VN to establish liaison office in Seoul

11/09

Vietnam to establish liaison office in Seoul

    SEOUL, Nov 9, Reuter - Vietnam's new representative to South Korea will
arrive in Seoul on Tuesday to establish a liaison office, a prelude to
restoring full diplomatic relations, a foreign ministry official said.
    "He will arrive tomorrow and the office should begin work sometime next
week," the official told Reuters.
    The liaison office headed by Nguyen Phu Binh, 44, will be responsible for
supporting economic cooperation and conducting consular activities.
    Nguyen spent his first overseas posting from 1973-77 in the North Korean
capital, Pyongyang.
    South Korea and Vietnam signed an agreement in April to establish informal
ties and work towards official recognition.
    Seoul opened a representative office in Hanoi last month.
    Diplomatic relations with Vietnam, established in 1956, were cut in 1975
when South Vietnam fell to communist forces. Seoul had sent troops to fight for
the South in the Vietnam war.
    Trade volume between the two nations increased to $334 million in the first
nine months of this year from $240 million during the whole of last year.
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From: nguyen@turing.scs.carleton.ca (H.H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Vietnam Updage - Social Science
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:35:19 GMT

In article <199211121554.AA13368@peora.sdc.ccur.com> tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM (Nhan Tran) writes:
>> From: "(H.H. Nguyen)" <nguyen@TURING.SCS.CARLETON.CA>
>>
>> 	Greetings,
>>
>> 	I pray to God that there is a "better legal system" in the
>> Socialist Republic of Vietnam today.
>>
>> 	What I knew was the official line was the Justice, Legislature,
>> Executive branches were all under the leadership of the communist party.
>> The judicial institutions in the country were then completely paralyzed.
>>
>> 	In fact, if my memory serves me right, there were no law school
>> in the North from 1954, when the communist government was first formed,
>> until roughly the 1985-1986 time frame. The Law School of the University
>> of Saigon of the Republic of Vietnam was converted to School of
>> Economics. To me, it was and still is a mystery how judges were
>> trained and their professional quality during the 1954-1986 period.
>>
>> ... [deleted]
>
>I wonder what foundation the legal system in Vietnam is based on? The concept
>of freedom, of human rights, ... ?? or whatever fit the interst of the
>communist party. Whatever the communist party say is final, is THE LAW ??
>
>Nhan Tran


	Mr. Nhan Tran,

	I simply don't know how to answer your questions.

	Perhaps we can talk to Mme Ngo Ba Thanh. For some people it 
takes less time, for others it takes more time to really understand the
reality of "democracy, law and the legal system" of the Socialist Republic
of Vietnam by courtesy of the communist party.

	Mind you, there has been a School of Public Security, Police
for a long, long time. Its graduates are security agents, high-ranked
police officers. It reflects Hanoi's attitude toward government: 
Governing by brutal forces and not by law.

	Regards,
	H.H. Nguyen
 
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:37:11 PST
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Thais killed - Karen blamed

RTw  11/10 0601  10 KILLED AS KARENS BLAMED FOR ATTACK ON THAI BASE

 (Eds: updates with official blaming Karen rebels for attack)
    MAE SOT, Thailand, Nov 10, Reuter - Six Thai border policemen and four
wildlife protection officers were killed on Monday when Karen rebels attacked
a border patrol base near Burma, officials said on Tuesday.
    A senior police officer said the gunmen attacked the jungle base in
Umphang district of Tak province and overpowered 15 policemen stationed there.
    Anan Anantakul, permanent secretary in the Interior Ministry, blamed the
attack on fighters of the Karen ethnic minority, which has been battling the
Burmese government for autonomy for decades.
    Karen fighters, strongest of a dozen ethnic minority armies fighting
Rangoon, roam freely back and forth over the Burmese-Thai border.
    Anan refused to speculate on a motive for the attack.
    Six policemen were killed at the base, as were four wildlife protection
officers staying at a house attached to the camp. The camp was burned to the
ground.
    Earlier this year, Burmese soldiers in hot pursuit of ethnic rebels crossed
into Thailand and clashed with Thai soldiers and police near Umphang, 300 km
(190 miles) northwest of Bangkok.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:06:24 -0500
From:         ZABDULLA@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU
Subject:      E-mail conversation on US foreign affairs

Dear netters,

	Enclosed is a message sent to me by an American student on my campus
who would like to communicate with other international netters on the issues
of American foreign affairs. So I would appreciate if you can make contact
directly with him with regards to this matter.

	Thank you in advance.

Zamzuri Abdullah
E-mail: ZABDULLA@indyvax.iupui.edu

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From:	IVAX::IIMO311       4-NOV-1992 18:41:54.46
To:	ZABDULLA
CC:
Subj:	John Capes

Dear Abdullah
  My name is John Capes and I am Enrolled in Prof. Fredlands Political
Science Y360 class.  I am looking for a student that I can be paired
with for e-mail conversations.
Can you help me?

                   Thank-you John Capes

Email: IIMO311@indyvax.iupui.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:41:39 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      CAM: US says Cambodian search for peace must continue

11/09

U.S. SAYS CAMBODIAN SEARCH FOR PEACE MUST CONTINUE

WASHINGTON (NOV. 9) DPA - Despite the breakdown in the Cambodian talks in
Beijing over the weekend, the U.S. State Department Monday said that the
attempt to find a peaceful solution must continue.

U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said, ''The process must
continue.''

He put the blame on the Khmer Rouge, who refused to take part in the Beijing
talks, saying that one party to the negotiations must not be permitted to hold
the whole process hostage.

The Khmer Rouge have tried to disrupt the negotiations on elections under
international supervision because it would be clear that they would be
overwhelmingly defeated.

Boucher said that the United States believes the current standoff should be
taken up by the United Nations Security Council but the United States favoured
adhering to the current schedule for elections in May 1993.
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:09:17 EST
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Free trip?

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Subject: Post Nov 9: Anyone care for free trip?


Row brewing over BMA deputy governor
A ROW is brewing between city councillors and district councillors
who are opposed to Bangkok Deputy Governor Chaiwat Sinsuwong, an
informed city source said yesterday.

The conflict might flare to the point that the councillors might
seek a no-confidence debate against the entire Bangkok
Metropolitan Administration, although Chaiwat is their main
target, the source said.

Dissatisfaction among the city councillors was touched of by what
they alleged was Chaiwat's dictatorial style of administration in
cutting the 70 million baht budget sought by councillors to
sponsor city officials in 36 districts to observe city works
domestically and in foreign countries, the source said.

The deputy governor also turned down a seven million baht budget
requested by district councillors to observe city works overseas,
the source said.

Both the city and district councillors felt strongly that it had
been a tradition of the administration to set aside a budget to
sponsor overseas and domestic trips for city officials to observe
city works as part of the human resources development effort, the
source said.

The deputy governor appears to be more in favour of making use of
the budget to improve infrastructure in Bangkok rather than
spending the budget on inspection trips, the source noted.

Mr Chaiwat allegedly did not have a good working relationship with
city clerk Thongthor Kluaymai na Ayutthaya and several other
senior city officials, the source said.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:40:00 -0500
From:         gustilo@POBOX.UPENN.EDU
Subject:      Re: soc.cul.asean

At  8:40 AM 11/11/92 -0700, Wayne D. Powel wrote:
>Seasia netters:
>
>My institution recently joined Internet and I am interested in
>adding the list soc.culture.asean or other lists related to the
>region.  I've looked on the "List-of-Lists" but can not find
>an address.  Can anyone help?
>
>Wayne Powel
>Assistant Professor
>Department of Psychology
>Gonzaga University
>
>powel@gonzaga.edu

greetings,

You need access to a NNTP server which carries the newsgroups. I believe
you will find it among the bit.listserv.newgroup hierarchy. You do not need
to subscribe to a listserver in order to read the newsgroups

hope this helps

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