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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Excuses behind ToaTL (Re: Valeyard)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:24:54 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>
> Not at all. I drew my own appropriate conclusion when I watched it and I've
> already posted my view. If you recall the original thread: "who is the
> Valeyard" and the theories that ensued. That's my direction in this thread.
> People are posting good guesses but that's all they are. Yes there are
> plenty of excuses behind the story and that's fine.
>
 Note, the original question. One should note, Tom, that r.a.dw is set up for
the above.

> Next time some PBS airs ToaTL someone will ask who the Valeyard is and the
> net will be filled with these theories again. I will have no problem skipping
> it the next time around (who knows what iteration we are on this time around)
> It's all Dave's fault. He's been on the net long enough to know the Valeyard
> discussion, but he posts it anyway: "trying something new..." -- NOT!
>
 One nuke coming your way pal.  I believe that some steam should be let out,
esp. a new classical villain comes on the show, essential to the Doctor's life
and everyone is asking: "WHO?"  Again, this is what it is all about.  Tom, if
you don't like it, you could always skip the topic.

>
> yawn....Tom



Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Exit the 7th Doctor (?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:39:31 GMT

In article <DLTgoB1w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>From DreamWatch Bulletin 103?:  Sylvester McCoy is not to be referred as the
>ex-DOctor. This comes from BBC Enterprises.
>
>Speculation:  The BBC is soon ready t give DOctor Who to an independent
>company.
>
>Can anyone confirm that this is the case in the U.K.: MAtthew Farwell, Chris
>Whitehead, Graeme Natress, IAn collier, Gareth Suddess, Brian Buttersworth?
>Phil Crabtree, Ian Palmer?  Anyone in the UK?
>
>Hopefully the above is just misspeculation, or a delayed April's Fools joke.
>
>If not, the BBC should give the rights to the show to ITN.  It seems to me that
>the old idea of having a Doctor for 120 episodes went out the door for a Doctor
>for 120 weeks.
>
>Sylvester McCoy is not a bad actor; it was simply a cse of bad production and
>script-writing, i.e keep McCoy, dump Turner and Cartmel!!
>
>COuld we get confirmation from the U.K. before moving on to debate on this one?
>
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
>yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair

No, we can't, becuase Sylvesteris an excellent Doctor!  :)
Actually, I'm just reposting this to doubly be sure the UKers get a chance
to answer, though with all the Christian arguments lately, I doubt they'e
looking these days.
From: billw+@pitt.edu (William R Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:10:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   Does anybody out there remember the attempted April Fools flamewar from
about two years back?  All the smoldering embers were smothered before
it actually started. 
   Just a gentle reminder.
      (I think I may have accidentally "Replied" to a poster on this, and if
so, 'twas a mistake, just as if I sent a very similar message moments ago!
My profound apologies!)
       Bill
         PS for those who don't remember, two years ago, as an April Fools
joke, somebody posted ONCE that a flamewar would be started.  After many
valliant attempts to start one, the whole thing was abandoned for the
reason mentioned above.  Ah, the good ol' days! :-)

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From: hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Ace: hard case or soft center?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:44:54 GMT

I wrote:
>>>But Ace...yech! Hate is too strong a word (its just tv show), but I think
>>>she is bad for Dr Who on a number of levels. The main problem I have with
>>>her (by far) is her hobby, making bombs. I'm amazed that a TV program for
>>>children (Dr Who is seen as this by some) can pass off a person like
>>>Ace as a positive role model.

In article <14731@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu
(Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

>I personally find characters like James Bond, with his fundamental streak
>of amorality, (to say nothing of Freddy "Jack Blood" Krueger), to be
>much worse of a role model than a fundamentally moral, if flawed,
>character like Ace.

Very true, but TV programers don't intend Bond or Freddy movies for
children. My problem with the bombs (apart from thinking it a cheap
gimmick) is that the BBC does consider Dr Who a kids show. That Ace is
a generally good kid/young adult doesn't make her bombing any better
(maybe it makes it worse???). If the show weren't targetted at kids,
I'd have no problem (from a morality viewpoint).

Jon mentions that the books show Ace as an explosives-professional adult.
Much better.

Related topic:
I think it was Liz who mentioned that almost all the female companions
since Liz Shaw have been uninteresting childish screamers. This seems
a fair observation. Certainly not true of Leela, but she had her problems
too (she was more than a little lethal :-). Not really true of the Romanas
either, but more than made up for by Peri and Mel. That said, I think the
producers did try and introduce other more interesting characters...Nyssa
and Tegan seemed to be intended as more than screamers. Even tho' Peri was
a childish screamer, I still found her amusing with Colin (they deserved
each other, and thus worked well together. But I don't think Peri would
have worked at all with any other Doctor).

I was thinking maybe the Master should get a (evil) companion. Might make
for an interesting story. Might allow the Dr's companion to fight the
Masters companion without replying on the Dr to save him/her. 

Scott.
-- 
Scott Hannon, Wed Jul 29 1992 (hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu)
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:05:31 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada


I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
with the help of Jamie.
However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
of his memory cells?

 Opinions? Theories? Anyone?


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: tkimball@u2.rutgers.edu (Timothy Kimball)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ISBN's for after Witch Mark
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:21:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I am looking for ISBN's of The New Adventures after the Cat's
Cradle books.  respond by email and/or post.

	Thanks,
     T. S. Kimball
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Season Openers 24-26
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:34:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.025138.16984@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan) writes:
>
>The only Doctor Who season I never saw in Ireland was Season 26.
>This is because I moved to America in August 1989.
>
>So, I was lucky enough to see the original broadcasts of the
>season openers for S24 (Time and the Rani) and S25 (Remembrance
>of the Daleks). As far as I can remember, there was a teaser
>before the opening title sequence in the first episode of each
>season.
>
>TatR: TARDIS crash-lands, Rani enters, Tetraps turns over the
>regenerating Doctor.
>Rm.otD: Pan-out shot of Earth, Dalek Mothership enters orbit.
>
>Was this carried over in Season 26 with the first scene of
>"Battlefield?" I saw that one in Whovie format and the teasers
>for the other two were moved to after the titles.
>-- 
>Ace Quote O' The Week:
>	"You're just an aging hippie, Professor."
>(Sylvester McCoy was a hippie in the sixties)
>	From Doctor Who, "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."

No, "Battlefield" had no such teaser.
And by the way, is it just me, or am I the only person annoeyed by
Lionheart's hacking of the computer animations of the TARDIS being
blasted down?
From: eoghanni@castle.ed.ac.uk (Eoghann Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:25:02 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Jul22.152014.7872@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:

>Look, you completely dense people...You cannot compare time travel
>to the production of a television show. Face it. Nor can you compare
>it to bumblebees. If you want me to have some Quantum Physicists 
>send you crap loads upon crap loads of info on why going back in time
>is impossible, I will have it for you. Just tell me your post address.

	Since everybody else who has given an opinion has not
completeely ruled out the possibility of time travel, has it occurred to
you yet that you could actually (GASP) be WRONG. Perhaps there is
something that you actually don't know the answer to. Just a thought.


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From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: re: Doctor's Memory from the 2 Doctors
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:22:06 GMT

In article <ewqkoB2w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>  
ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>   1)  I agree that the Spectrox could well have wiped some memory... 
>       Don't forget that in the first place, the regenerations into the 
>       5th and 6th Doctors were particularly nasty... That could have 
>       helped, as well.
   Spectrox explaination doesn't work. The spectrox incident was after he  
met Peri (the second time?)
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From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: title sequences
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.150704.9621@lester.appstate.edu>  
GRS00169@APPSTATE.EDU (GRS9999101) writes:
> 
> I have always been fascinated with the opening credits sequences found  
in 
> DOCTOR WHO.   In the first few seasons, the "time wave" FX were created
> by filming a studio camera's own monitor.  When mirrored, spun, or  
otherwise
> manipulated the end effect was achieved.  I personally have re-created  
this
> special effect with some of my own equipment and am interested in  
developing
> some of the other sequences produced for the program.  Could someone  
tell me
> ways in which the "tunnel" and "starfield" images wer designed and how i  
could
> create them?

   I'm afraid there's no way you could do the tunnel effect. It was done  
with a process called slit scan invented for "2001: a Space Odyssey". The  
process is extremely slow and tedious and must be done on film.
   You set up a dark screen with a slit in it (shaped as eg: a circle,  
tardis outline, Doctor's outline, etc) and a rotatable colored gel with a  
pattern on it behind that, and a light source behind that. For each frame  
the shutter is held open while the camera slides towards the screen and  
the gel rotates. This drags out the image of a tunnel shaped like the  
slit. The process is repeated with the phases of the gel rotation  
coordinated to give the impression of motion down a consistent tunnel.
   The first starfields were done in some way involving stars on  
transparent gels. These were also shot on film. The McCoy era starfield  
was of course done by computer.
   The one simple cool effect in the first starfield sequence was the  
"Quasars". The camera had a sunburst filter on it and was panned off  
center toward a black screen with a pinhole in it and a light source  
behind it. The image is first just a star moving towards us, but when the  
three points involved come into line there is a burst of colored light.  
Accompamnied by a whoosh noise in the final product.
From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:07:55 GMT

In <1992Jul23.172404.11678@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:

>Who cares what Tom Baker said about Bumblebees? I disproved that bit a couple
>of days ago. That's not what this discussion is about. Wait a minute, wait a
>minute...If the Doctor said that Bumblebees couldn't fly, HE WAS WRONG...Whoa
>spoiler city.

Me and my big gob.  I only brought it up because I thought it was
a humourous aside!  <sigh>

The brain quote was mine too.

You guys are all too serious ...

Lawrence

(Oh grud, I just remembered, it was me who escalated the Christian
issue too.  I'll just go hide for a month, shall I?)
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Resurrection of the Daleks w/o sound effects?
Keywords: Resurrection Daleks
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 06:39:52 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada


> In article <83958@netnews.upenn.edu>, jneff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph D. N
> |>    I just saw Resurrection (for those like me who get confused about
> |> R* of the Daleks, this was the Davison story) taped from Saturday's showin
> |> on NJN.  I noticed a lack of sound effects for ray-guns, explosions, and
> |> the TARDIS door.  Also, no incidental music.  Though it seemed rather
> |> strange at the time, at least we got some insight into what the actors
> |> really hear on the set.  Anyone know what happened to the distribution of
> |> this story?
>
  Time to have this one, a well as the fact the Brain of Morbius FAQed that
sound effects and music are missing.

BTW, I do have a copy of both with full sound effect and music, er, for
REsurrection, make that 98% complete.

Frank Trumpy, care to have this updated?


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christina Cheng Ann Shuy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ftp site
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:44:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Hi.  I was reading some stuff I saved and was wondering if
anyone in North America knows where I can find an ftp site
for this group.  Or do we even have one?  hey, Star Trek does!

get back to me, someone! (please?!)

Thanks in advance.
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:52:16 GMT

In article <12370@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:

Even those who use the subject post to complain about the thread will be
flameD!  Thus, I flame thee.  Don't respond to any more Christian threads
please!

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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:46:03 GMT


>>  Gee! I only got the first of those. And I had (optimistically) renewed  
>>not long before that.
>
>Same thing here.  I also never got the Summer 1991 issue after sending in
>my $5.00.  That was a mistake I won't make again!

	don't just let it go. write or call them. things frequently get lost
with fan clubs and you may simply have gotten deleted accidently. these
aren't pros after all, they fans just like you...




-- 
corey w nelson		| ' some women want to come clean, some just want
keeper of the Sisters	|	to take you to the cleaners....
of Mercy FAQ, DISCOG	|
and several others...	|
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: The Simultaneous Flamewars: ObDrWho
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:24:15 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

The Christianity / time-travel battles which have recently taken over this
newsgroup bring to mind a quote from the Doctor, which Jennifer/Frank
Trumpy, PHIL!, and all the others involved might want to consider.  It's
Tom Baker from "The Face of Evil", where he's commenting on the mad
computer Xoanon.  "People like that don't alter their views to fit the
facts, they alter the facts to fit their views.  Which can be particularly
nasty if you're one of the facts that need altering."

Now, considering the sh*t-storm that the last Who-quote on these subjects
dragged up ("Bumblebees!"), God knows how Frank will respond to this one.
:-) :-)
From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: "SHADA" Video
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:07:17 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


  I received my "SHAD" Video from the UK Thursday and had it converted this
morning.  I just finished viewing it and it lived up to all my expectations. 
Douglas Adams is a brilliant writer, and in my opinion one of DW best.  I don't
understand what all the fuss was about this story - "SHADA" was not only the
pest story of season 17, but one T. Bakers best DW stories.
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: battlefield plot
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:09:44 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Anyone:

 No other parts of the BATTLEFIELD plot beyond part three made it to my
BBS. Since I'm collecting these, could someone please post me the
remaining parts? Thank-you VERY much!

Regards,
Dale Clayton
------------------------
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Photonovel?!
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:59:13 GMT

mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) wrote:
>   A photonovel is out? I hadn't heard about it. Please enlighten us!

New as of May. DWB #101 has The Savages photonovel in it. I don't have it
yet, nor do I have all of the others. I posted a really long article about
photonovels a couple months ago and asked for others to give some comments but
no one did. So I'm not going to type any in again. I will say that they are
worth the money - a lot more entertaining than the novels themselves.
Especially Power of the Daleks since there isn't a novel (yet). They should
be mentioned in the FAQ but someone has to make a write up of them first.

Tom

P.S. References *TO* Christianity! Won't anybody reading that thread correct
Dave's error?!
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From: mrmuon@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:46:51 GMT

In article <12310@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)  
writes:
> In <1992Jul16.194833.22022@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu  
(Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> 
> >   I'm supprised and amused that you consider your christianity a  
natural
> >extension of your whovianism. Evidently DW is flexible enough to appeal  
to
> >a variety of viewpoints!  :)
> 
> Yes, but remember, I said _also_ of my thoughts about God etc ...
> 
> >   I became decisively an atheist and became interested in physics when  
I
> >was 6. Shortly therafter I discovered DW. DW appealed to me largely
> >because I interpreted it as having a very pro-science and somewhat
> >anti-religon attitude. The Doctor has been consistently against
> >superstitious attitudes (eg: the begining of "The Daemons", the end of
> >"The Brain of Morbius"). The strongest case of this is probably "The  
Face
> >of Evil" my favorite story; besides having the supposed god in this  
turn
> >out to be a deranged computer I think the Doctor may have actually said
> >"religous gobeldeegook".
> 
> Christians are also supposed to be against superstition.  It was
> originally the Christian church that established places of learning
> through the monasteries and later the universities.  I was originally
> an atheist, but at the age of 17 I discovered a large body of historical
> evidence, which overturned my (rather hysterical) rejection of  
Christianity
> as a child.  What the Doctor rejected in "The Daemons" was a belief
> in witchcraft - which the church also rejects (though it does  
acknowledge
> it to contain potential danger).
   The library of Alexandria was a great place of learning before  
Christianity; then the Christians came along and burned it down. The  
Christian places of learning were established for teaching Christianity.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: References of Christianity must die!
Date: 25 Jul 92 10:51:30 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: University of Virginia

To anyone else who is as sick of this irrelevant thread as I am,
do what I'm doing, that is, send personal e-mail flames to each and
every post that goes up under the "References of Christianity"
thread.  
To anyone still continuing the thread, STOP IT!
From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: other questions
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:09:56 GMT
Organization: Baldrick Fan Club
Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au


In article <1992Jul21.210229.10257@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu writes:

 > [part deleted]
 > Most of his companions at the time are also still about;
 > I heard Katy Manning was doing a play somewhere in London
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
 She has been to Perth several times to perform in plays and I have been told
 (but unable to confirm) that she actually now lives here.


 > Marc Wasserman
 > mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu

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