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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: KingsX/Galactic Cowboys fans attention
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.151954.7684@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons) writes:
>This summer I picked up a copy of The Awful Truth.  This cd features
>Monte the bass player and the drummer (can't remember his name) from the
>Cowboys.  This is a really good cd!  If you like King's X and G.C. and
>think that there is just not enough stuff like this to listen to, stop
>by your local used cd shop and try to find this one.

It kicks!!

>
>On another note, does anybody know anymore about why King's X is not
>with Sam Taylor anymore?  
>

I have no idea.. I'll have to ask Doug when his band (King's X that is!)
comes out here...

>And on yet another, does anybody know anymore about Atomic Opera?  They
>were supposed to be the next Sam Taylor project.  If anybody has any
>info on Atomic Opera or a demo or anything from them please let me know.
>I would like to get anything from these guys to take a listen too.
>
>See Ya,
>
>Steve
>
>
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Looks like it's time to post another Intermosh!

Phil

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From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Amy Grant's "Ask Me"
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:49:46 GMT

Not only have I only *just* heard Amy Grant's "Heart In Motion," but I missed
all the discussion that followed its release.

I'm curious about what people think out in net.land about two things, neither
of which have to do with the noticeable lack of praise and worship.

First, what do people think about the song, "Ask Me."  That's the one that
was written for a friend of hers who had apparently been the unfortunate
victim of sexual assault.  Personally, I think she is quite brave for attacking
such a heavy subject.  I also think the idea was executed so brilliantly it
was both tasteful and, I would think (though I don't know this), spiritually
uplifting/consoling for other previous victims of sexual assault.  In my
opinion, it was the best song on the album.  But I may not be the only one
to hold that view, and I'm interested in hearing whether the majority of
people out there agree or disagree.

Second, the music itself.  How do people like it?  It is distinctly different
from anything thus far produced.  The easier style of "Age To Age" and
their like are long gone, but the style of Heart In Motion seems quite
different from even "Lead Me On" and "Unguarded" which preceded it.
I kind of like the new sound it's got over the other albums -- whether its
an improvement or merely just a change, I couldn't say.

Comments, anyone???
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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:13:08 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep4.140131.1637@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.150549.19150@news.cs.brandeis.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>But that wasn't the question - the question was whether it was bad for
>>Greg Volz to perform it.  If that song will cause brothers or sisters to
>>stumble, then their obligation is not to perform it.  Again, we're dealing
>>with an issue of rights vs. what is right.  Sure, they have every right
>>to perform it, but should they?  A song that has the connotations that 
>>Dream On has for many, I don't think it's appropriate.
>
>But what, specifically, about the song makes it inappropriate as a
>song for Greg Volz?  The lyrics?  Nothing that I can see.  What then?
>Based on your argument, it may be inappropriate for Christians performers 
>to sing *any* song because musicians have no way of knowing what
>connotations the audience may bring to any particular piece of music.
>Somebody out in the audience may have listened to "Yankee Doodle"
>once while getting high, so Christian musicians had better not play 
>"Yankee Doodle" because somebody might stumble.  Somebody might have 
>been listening to "My Old Kentucky Home" while fornicating, so better
>not play that one either.  I mean, how far do you want to take this?

Well, you have a good point, but one thing:  I think there is a question
of probability here.  Yankee Doodle is not very likely to be a song 
someone got high to in the past.  Dream On, however, is _very_ likely
to be a song that could bring back such memories.  In an audience at
a concert, those who had bad experiences surrounding that song would
be much great than those who listened to Yankee Doodle.  I agree that
we can't watch every single little thing we do out of fear of possibly
offending _one_ person.  But if it's likely that our action could
reasonably cause others to stumble, then that's a different story.
>

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From: dmaxwell@auc.trw.com (Doug Maxwell)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Reply-To: dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell)
Organization: TRW Denver Operations
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:42:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.183209.2558@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.011342.28492@auc.trw.com> dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell) writes:
>>We are also supposed to flee evil.  My point is this, should we be 
>>deliberately putting ourselves into positions that compromise our values
>>simply for our entertainment?
>
>Specifically what values would we compromise by attending a U2 concert?

The original poster suggested that if we turned our offensometers way down,
we would be able to enjoy the concert.  This suggests that there is 
something that we as Christians would find offensive and, to me, compromising
at the concert.  If you find nothing offensive or compromising at the show,
by all means have a great time.  My point was not to specifically comment
about U2, but rather the comment about ignoring what would normally be
considered offensive.

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From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mark Heard
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:25:46 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Distribution: world

Charles W. Fay IV writes
> I disagree the High point of life, especially christian life is death.
> what we should fight against and be disgusted by is apathy.  Where would 
> christian musice be if Mark Heard had been apathetic and thought that the 
> world was
> worth taking risks for?   I feel for the people who lost someone dear, I 
> know what it is like.  But, I think we should all be thankful that he 
> cared to play 
> meaningful music and that he is now with the Lord.
> 
> Chip Fay
> cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Psalm 116 says "how precious in the sight of the Lord is the
death of His godly ones."  

But when confronted with the death of a close friend, 
"Jesus wept".  Right there in the middle of a passage whose main point is  
reassuring the believer that death is not final, we see
Jesus letting out his painful emotions.  I think he woould have agreed
with Andy's original statement, "I hate death!"  He hated it so much
that he was willing to pay the ultimate price to free us from its
clutches.  Yes, we can celebrate someone's "homegoing".  But we must
also recognize that death is the direct result of sin's entry into the
world.  For that, even we who are filled with hope can weep.
--
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:29:21 GMT

In <14SEP92.15710168.0170@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> G06C000 <G06C@UNB.CA> writes:

>i am looking for call letters and locations of any stations
>throughout the U.S. and Canada.
>Thank You ....Phil

You won't find any in Canada. At present the government doesn't allow
Christian radio stations (or TV) to broadcast. 

This policy is up for review next month and there is incredible
pressure to change it.

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's upcoming albums
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:24:27 GMT

AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon) writes:
: In article <1992Sep14.053447.27759@nuscc.nus.sg>
: isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN) writes:
:  
: >   Is there another yet-untitled album to be released?  Not from what
: >I've seen in the lists or from info released by Word, Inc.  The only
: >other item which will be released is the video collection.  "Home For
: >Christmas" will be released to both the Christian and mainstream
: >markets.
: Word Inc. isn't the label that releases most of Amy's stuff. For the most
: recent recordings (Heart In Motion & Lead Me On) and probably new releases,
: check with her current label, A&M Records. Her catalog titles (The Collection
: and earlier stuff) are now  reissued by Reunion, a former Word subsidiary now
: owned by Geffen. I think Reunion is also rereleasing the Christmas album.

   I hate to rain on your parade, but there are quite a number of errors
in your posting.  Firstly, Word, Inc. and A&M are currently releasing
all of her albums.  In fact, Amy is signed onto to record companies,
namely Word, Inc. and A&M.  Whatever albums she releases will be on both
labels.

   Official information from both A&M and Word, Inc. say that "Home From
Christmas" is the only new album from Amy.  The other release is a video
collection.  It's called "An Old Fashioned Christmas".

   As for Reunion being a former Word subsidiary.. well, it was never a
Word subsidiary.  Reunion has and still is a record company on it's own.
It was started by Blanton and Harrell and is still owned by them.  In
fact, the only reason why you see Geffen or Word printed on the inlays
is because all of Reunion's releases are now being distributed to the
mainstream by Geffen and to the Christian market by Word, Inc.

: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  A n d r e w   V e r n o n =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

-- 
Rodney Ho

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)
Subject: Re: TANGENT:  Interpretation
Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:50:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.185717.25673@newshost.unh.edu>, ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>Look at the evidence.  Especially the internal contradictions which
>prove by themselves that the new Bibles cannot be the Word of God.
>Isn't it obvious that the King James Bible is the only true Word
>of God in the English language?

I take it then that you are not bothered by the fact that a) the KJV is not in
English but in a foreign language (unless you've studied Old English
extensively) and b) that there are errors in the KJV, for example the Johannine
comma in 1 John 5 that is not to be found in the original manuscripts but
was added in the 15th or 16th century.  Face it, NO translation is perfect
or can be perfect because there is never a one-to-one mapping from one language
to another.  Each translation has its strengths and weaknesses.

I also find it interesting that to support your claim that there are infallible
English translations, you quote English translations.  Isn't that the same as
saying the Bible is the Word of God because the Bible says it is the Word of
God?

Some Christians need to let go of tradition and let some fresh air in.  It gets
pretty stale after hundreds of years!

  -- Scott @Brandeis

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                     "How much do you love me?"
                     "This much," He answered;
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                         His arms and died.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: Christian critique of dance?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:19:53 GMT

In article <107410198@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
|> In rec.music.christian, djm@eng.umd.edu (David J. MacKenzie) writes:
|> 
|> > Anyone know of a Biblically based critique or perspective of dance?...
|> > 
|> > I've found books on art and music from a Christian perspective, but
|> > nothing on dance.  Anyone have any leads?
|> 
|> Re/ social dancing, I have none, other than your local bookstore where you'll
|> undoubtedly find some books denouncing same.

You'll also find the book "Christians Do (Not) Dance" by John Fischer!
:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

I highly recommend it, by the way.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: Music Review
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:24:00 GMT

Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes...
>>Circle of Dust -
>I wouldn't say Ministry, more like Nine Inch Nails meets Metallica... but
>that's just me..

from the concert, I'd say a thrash band that took bits of industrial style
and included it occassionally, but I haven't heard the CD.

>>King's X - Chronicles video
>Or see them live! An experience everyone MUST have!

Agreed! See King's X if you have the chance. They *are* excellent live...
very, very, very precise - and very clean playing. Sit back or get on the
floor, and enjoy!

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From: eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco)
Subject: Sandy Patti
Keywords: sandy patti
Reply-To: ewanco@kalvin.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:30:44 GMT


Ah, I knew it had to be in here.

This month's Christianity Today: p. 63, People and Events, "DIVORCING: Gospel
singer Sandy Patti, from her husband and former manager, John Helvering,
citing an "irretrievable breakdown" of their 13-year marriage.

Eric
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    "...[T]he greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and
    organized at Rome by [] Peter and Paul, [is] that Church which has the
    tradition and faith which comes down to us after having been announced
    to men by the Apostles.  For with this Church, because of its superior
    origin, all Churches must agree ...  and it is in her that the
    faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition."
       -- St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, c. 180 A.D., 3,3,3.

From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:10:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: TANGENT: Christianity and art
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

> In article <1992Sep3.030727.29410@ucunix.san.uc.edu> tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep1.200954.16453@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> >>In article <87594@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> >>>>Bob tells us (and Francis Schaeffer would agree) that certain forms of
      ^^^ (that's *ME*)

> >>>>art are inappropriate for Christian expression.  The witness and work  
> >>>>of Christian artists tells me differently.  So which themes/styles
> >>>>are inappropriate?  And why?
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
allright, I'll come out of retirement on this issue *one more time* to say 
that I *didn't* say that! How come it keeps getting re-posted? 

I said "not very useful". There *is* a difference.

Bob (make me mad and I'm gonna...gonna...oh, forget it ;-) Miller 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:53:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.131047.14524@cs.cornell.edu> lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) writes:
>"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth good things 
>and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
>But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall 
>give account thereof in the day of judgement.
>For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be
>condemned."
>                 Matthew 12:35-37

Sarcasm is not necessarily "idle"; in fact, it probably requires more
thought to present and interpret than more direct forms of expression.


>Also, Ephesians 5:4, I believe, talks about "course jesting", but I don't 
>have it memorized well enough to quote it right here and now.

I have always associated "coarse joking" to refer to rude or
inappropriate topics; "coarse" meaning crass or ill-refined.


>I can see your point, though, John, about the possibility of directing it at
>ideas rather than people. The problem, though, is that most people do not 
>exercise that sort of control/differentiation. Most of what I've seen here on
>this group is most assuredly directed at people (no names mentioned) and is 
>very clearly unkind and uncalled-for. WE are also admonished in James over and
>over again to "tame our tongues" and I think it might have been Stacey who
>posted a lovely collection of Proverbs on this topic. I was so appreciative 
>of that, BTW, that I printed it and hung it on my bulletin board.

As pointed out by a previous poster, sarcasm is a powerful form of
communication, and can be used very destructively.  Personally, I can't
stand to be around people who are inappropriately sarcastic, and I
can't be the only one to feel that way.

If a Christian chooses to express an idea sarcastically, he must be
very careful to do so in such a way that the listener is not offended
or alienated, which is the worst possible thing to do.  If it is
impossible to be loving and express oneself sarcastically at the same
time, the sarcasm should be abandoned.

The key is to communicate as effectively as possible, without breaking
God's command to love one's neighbor as oneself.  Sometimes sarcasm
*is* the most effective form of communication, but effective
communication does not take precedence over love.


>I guess I just think it's better to say what you mean and mean what you say
>so that your communication is honest and clear and leaves no room for offense
>or misinterpretation.

When you can't use sarcasm effectively, this is the *only* alternative.
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: G06C000 <G06C@UNB.CA>
Subject: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:32:47 GMT

i am looking for call letters and locations of any stations
throughout the U.S. and Canada.
Thank You ....Phil

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.234253.11894@auc.trw.com> dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.183209.2558@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.011342.28492@auc.trw.com> dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell) writes:
>>>We are also supposed to flee evil.  My point is this, should we be 
>>>deliberately putting ourselves into positions that compromise our values
>>>simply for our entertainment?
>>
>>Specifically what values would we compromise by attending a U2 concert?
>
>The original poster suggested that if we turned our offensometers way down,
>we would be able to enjoy the concert.  This suggests that there is 
>something that we as Christians would find offensive and, to me, compromising
>at the concert.  If you find nothing offensive or compromising at the show,
>by all means have a great time.  My point was not to specifically comment
>about U2, but rather the comment about ignoring what would normally be
>considered offensive.

I thought his point was not that we should ignore what would normally
be considered offensive, but that we should expect a rock concert, not
a praise tape.  :-)

For example, U2's lyrics are not always about "shiny, happy people".
Someone who is uncomfortable hearing about real problems and despair in
the world, and the absence of God in people's lives should be prepared
to be uncomfortable, and  should he decide to attend anyway, try to
avoid being offended by the content.

I considered it advice for people who insist on perfect adherence to
their *own interpretation* of Christian theology and values (of which I
know several).  I agree that we should not ignore an offense if we have
a legitimate reason to be offended (e.g., by refutation of the Gospel);
however, some people take offense for more personal reasons, often
related to pride or intolerance or insecurity.
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
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