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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Putting an ECS Denise in A2000 rev. 4.1 -> Problems?
Keywords: ECS, Denise, A2000, rev. 4.1, flicker fixer
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:29:10 GMT

In article <1501@igd.fhg.de>, wirth@igd.fhg.de (Hanno Wirth) writes:
|> Hello out there,
|> 
|> I have an old A2000 rev. 4.1, equipped with KS/WB 2.04 and a DeInterlacer card.
|> In order to get the new video modes and to kill this #%@&! border around non-
|> black screens, I am considering of buying an ECS Denise. Are there any known
|> problems with the configuration described above (such as jittery right edge of
|> display, flicker fixer not working any more, the like...)?
|> 	Would anyone who put an ECS Denise in a similar config be so kind of
|> mailing me his/her experiences? That would surely help me making the decision.
|> 

Not only have I had no problems with my ECS Denise in my FlickerFixed 2.04 A2000,
I highly recommend getting it! It allows you to use the new 2.04 video modes,
some of which can ONLY be used with the FF and the ECS chipset. The FlickerFixer
is almost PART of the ECS system. It does not create problems - it solves them.
DO put an ECS Denise in your A2000.

However, as for your other considerations, the Denise will not solve all of 
your problems. The "jittery right edge" is present no matter what - the Amiga's
display output (total, not usable), seems to be a little too narrow for the
average multisync monitor - the display on mine JUUUST barely fits on the screen,
if I set the monitor to full horizontal size and ignore the TINY little bit of
blank video at the left side of the screen. (As for the jittery right edge, it's
not in the usable area of the screen, so it's just background color - you can't
see it.) 

My one problem WAS that I could not center the screen - when the text overscan
was set to full width, I couldn't move the display over far enough to the right
to get it centered in the screen. I solved this problem with the MicroWay
Flicker Fixer control program, which allowed me to push my overscan beyond
Commodore-defined limits and into the extra gray space at the right of the
screen.

|> Greetings & thanks in advance,
|> 
|> 	Hanno
|> 
|> +--------------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
|> | Hanno Wirth, Technische Hochschule Darmstadt     | Phone: (+49)6151-155244  |
|> | FB Informatik, FG Graphisch-Interaktive Systeme  | FAX  : (+49)6151-155299  |
|> | Wilhelminenstrasse 7                             | EMail: wirth@igd.fhg.de  |
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|> +--------------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
|> 

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From: beman@terapin.com (Bemis Jarvis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Question about A500 w/Super Denise > (no flicker)
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:24:51 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <24346@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, lkelly@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Kelly)
writes:
>Just wanted to know if anyone out there has any cost effective ways
>for flicker elimination on an A500 (wb 2.04/Ecs Agnus/Ecs Denise)??
>At this point, I do not require color, as I will be mainly using this
>setup for Amax (which currently does not support color).  I have heard
>about possibly using a monochrome vga display, and running in productivity
>mode under amax, or using a long persistance composite monitor.  Will
>either of these solutions work effectively??  Any trade-offs?? I have
>seen in the latest AmigaWorld an ad from Grapevine about the refurbished
>CBM 1403 monochrome vga monitor's.  Any comments using this monitor
>for the purpose of flicker-elimination?   Btw, what is the magic scan
>frequency that I am looking for for the productivity mode??  I believe
>that 15.75 is ntsc video, would it be 31.2??
>
>     Thanks for any help!!!
>     -Larry
I MYSELF USE A SCREEN FILTER AND TURN DOWN THE CONTRAST I GET PRETTY GOOD
RUSULTS ON MY 1084DS,  I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT FLICKER MASTER (DISK BASED) IS OK.
From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Ways to double hard drive capacity???
Date: 13 Sep 1992 08:57:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <2ywn+sn.fuzzy@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes:
>
>Since the compression is transparent to the user (in most cases),
>Stacker really does effectively double the capacity, since for most
>intents and purposes, it does work that way!  Is that so hard for you to
>understand?
>
This is no flame, but a serious question.  How does stacker handle the 
possibility of system crashes during the time that it takes to compress a file?
With multi-tasking systems, it seems entirely possible that at some point the
system will crash while the on-the-fly compression program is still compressing
a file (especially if the compressed file is large).  

Is the program simply lost?  What about the structure of the stacker-type disk
setup?  Is it affected?

Kevin
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 4000 Paula
Summary: Will be changed
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:57:12 GMT
Organization: BT Tymnet, San Jose, CA

In article <65745@cup.portal.com> Aurelius@cup.portal.com (Mark Christian Barnes) writes:
>joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:
> Does this mean that the same old Paula chip is used? That would mean
>that floppy disks are still limited to 880k full speed drives. We still
>will not be able to read standard HD (1.44M) floppies! ;-{

The A4000 comes with a dual-speed drive.
It is able to read standard HD (1.44M) floppies.

Considering that the other two NMOS chips (Agnus and Denise) have been
replaced with newer technology (high speed CMOS), you can expect that
a replacement for the NMOS Paula is not far off.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: abair@parsons.sps.mot.com (Alan Bair)
Subject: Re: Printer driver for DeskJet500-C ?
Organization: AMCU, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.145230.13568@sunbim.be> accs1@bagheera.mumath writes:

   Is there somewhere a printer driver for the HP DeskJet 500 Color available ?

   If yes, where?

   Didn't by the printer yet but I want to.

   Thanks, Frank.

I don't remember where I got it, but I imagine it is on most FTP sites. Look
for goodcolorjet.lzh with the driver called HP_500C. It is a CBM Beta driver
and seems to work best with the printergfx settings: trheshold=13 density=6
and no color correction.
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From: Barry_Fence@mindlink.bc.ca (Barry Fence)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Slow bootup
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:09:46 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I'm having a weird problem lately with my Amiga 2500-020 with 4 megs of 32 bit
ram and 1 Meg chip ram. It has the venerable A2090 controller with the Rodime
40 Meg hard drive installed. Lately on bootup I've noticed that it takes about
5 to 10 seconds for each partition other than the boot partition to mount. I
haven't changed anything in my startup-sequence recently. I've also gained
about 4 hard errors on one partition. I backed it up and formatted it with
Quarterback tools and it didn't seem to map them out so that they couldn't be
used again.

Anyways, to make a long story even longer. I've got two questions:

Could one of the chips inside my computer be partially fried?
What program can you use to map out bad sectors? (without having to reformat
them...)
Any help will be much appreciated...


Barry Fence

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:12:06 GMT

 charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:

>>     You mean the one that's already been advertised for $2900 several
>>places?  That's hardly shelling out almost 4 grand.
>
>Wherezat?
>

     I believe Safe Harbor has been mentioned in about 8 posts in the past
few days as listing the 4000 for about $2900 w/out monitor.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado)
Subject: A3000/16 MHz Question
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:29:58 GMT

Are there several motherboard revisions of the A3000 as with the A2000 ?  
Should I worry about the revision number when purchasing a used A3000 ?

Thanx to those who respond.


Lou Prado	EE  Undergrad   Arizona State Univ   prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
					       	     auLOU@acvax.inre.asu.edu

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From: ericj@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Eric Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Zorro 2/3 Extender Card?
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:47:36 GMT
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ

In article <34660001@hpqmolw.sqf.hp.com> dwg@hpqmolw.sqf.hp.com (David Grieve) writes:

				  HELP!

   Does anybody know of a Company or any other source of an extender card
   for the Amiga Zorro II/Zorro III expansion bus.  I don't think my knuckles
   can take much more of this... :-)

I asked Celestial Systems, the proto board guys, for an extender card about
three years ago. At the time they said they didn't make one and didn't
have plans to make one. I was bummed.

Maybe somebody has caught on since then, though...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Did you ever buy anything at...
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace 
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.101001.584@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>Could American readers who have bought by mail order please
>recommend a good place (which ships to the UK). I have a copy
>of AmigaWorld with many ads, but which one to approach?
>Presumably ones on the East coast would be closer and better
>for shipping?

	Safe Harbor is a great company to order from, but make sure
you find out how much it costs to ship to the UK. 

	Hey, Dan Barrett, look...I set my follow-up correctly! :)


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From: rico@disaster.hacktic.nl (Rico Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Grapevine does something right
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:03:29 GMT
Organization: HIN - Disaster Area

> >  o bend pin 38 (whichever one that is I dunno) of Gary chip up
> 
> If you've got a set of "instructions" that tell you to do this, burn
> them and find a correct set. Leaving that pin flapping in the breeze can
> cause a lot of problems.

Surely burn them, because its the wrong pin. Its pin 32 on the Gary.
Which is called _EXRAM, which means it is for detection of the internal
512Kb expansion. This bending means that the internal expansion is not
detected, which can also be done with an off-switch on the memory expansion
(if it has one).

Rico Jansen (rico@disaster.hacktic.nl)
From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (mr_scary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Using a SVGA monitor on t
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 12:20:39 EDT
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-> From: s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (BeN bEn BeN)
-> 
-> Can someone please explain what I need to use a SVGA monitor with my A500?
-> Is it possible? What do I need to buy?
-> 
-> 	Thanks in advance,
-> 	Ben

   Flicker Free Video from ICD will do the trick, nicely.  I use an IBM
8513 VGA monitor on my A500 with FFV.


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From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Level 2 Zorro III and A4000???
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:16:35
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Will the A4000 and implement the Level 2 Zorro III functions as described
in the Hardware Reference Manual?

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Roger_Nordin@f302.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: SCSI-Streamer on A3000
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:57:51 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@f302.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> Well, my problem is, that it does not work at all with my A3000. It always
> fails during writing. But it works with the Golem SCSI-II Controller and on
> all Macs just fine. I think there is a software Problem, too. The reason
> is, that with some Kickstarts it just works find reading(including 1.3 and
> 37.175) and with others it does not. I would be happy if it could write at
> all, but it can't. So maybe anyone has an idea here how to solve my
> problem.

Yes. I don't know what model the streamer was, but if it was a TDC36xx, then 
all you have to do, is to get a v04 version of the ROMs. Newer ones, does =not=
work with the A3000 SCSI host adaptor. The v04 one does work fine, however.

I have tried Ami-Back 2.0 and QauarterBack 5.0.2 with it, and they work fine 
with it. I myself use BTNTape 2.1 and GNUTAR, which I find much better for my 
purposes. The streamer is a model TDC3660 250Mb one, and when I start TapeMon 
included in BTNTape2.1, it reports:

*** BTN-Tape Handler & Monitor ***
(c) Copyright 1990,1991 R. Rethemeyer
TAPE: Proc 795E738 DevNode 794F94C
scsi.device  Unit-4  LU-0
Drive: TANDBERG TDC 3600       -04.
Sequential Access
Use ^C to terminate TapeMon
-BTNtape/RAR 2.1 (Oct 22 1991)

The -04 is the ROM version of the streamer. I have tried 06, and it didn't 
work at all. Just switching ROMs cured the problem, and I have not experienced 
any kind of problems with the older ROMs. It runs just fine, about 4.7Mb/min 
with BTNTape.

                        _       .    __
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From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:33:51 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

abair@parsons.sps.mot.com (Alan Bair) writes:
>In article <34903@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>
>(deleted memory access modes discussion)
>
>   NOT!  You're confused.  Read what I explained above, I'll be happy to answer
>   any questions.
>
>OK. If I have static column chips in my 3000, what should the CPU command
>say about the burst modes? It currently returns:
>
>System: 68030 68882 FastR0M (INST: Cache NoBurst) (DATA: Cache NoBurst)

The settings within the CPU are completely independant of the RAMSEY and
RAM chips you may have and the settings of RAMSEY.

The 68030 can selectively turn on or off BURST most for the caches.
Due to an oversight, the 2.04 SetPatch does not turn on BURST mode.
(This is the 68030 mode, nothing to do with the RAMSEY chip)
You can turn on BURST mode by doing "CPU BURST"

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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Need help getting A2090 controller working with Miniscribe 8425S!!!
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 05:56:48 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Sep6.181827.1@vaxr.llnl.gov>, yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov writes:

> In article <AQDCr*DW0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep2.012016.17850@lonex.rl.af.mil>, Michael A. Kopack writes:
> > 
> >> 
> >> Please help me before I murder this A2000!!
> >> 
> >> I just got this A2090 card to control an old hard drive I picked up a while
> >> back. It's a MiniScribe 8425S 20 Megger. When I got the A2090, it didn't
> >> have any install disk...
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> >> ...What the frick am I doing wrong????
> > 
> > I never tried "install."  I just put hddisk and hddisk.info in the Expansion
> > drawer, set up the MountList, and rebooted.  Then I ran prep.  Remember that 
> > the  RES number is 1 (one) less than the "unit" in the MountList.
> 
> Install simply puts hddisk#? into the Expansion drawer, Prep into the C
> directory, and the Mountlist in the Devs directory.
> 
> The 1st partition of the 1st SCSI device must be called DH2:.  You don't need a
> mountlist entry for this first partition.  Anything after that you do, however. 
> All of the info for DH2: is loaded when you run prep DH2:.  Reboot the machine,
> and format your drive as normal.

NO, NO, NO.  You don't prep DH2:.  You prep RES2:.  Then you reboot and format
DH2:.  Make sure that you have the appropriate entries in the MountList.

Note:
      these numbers are for a SCSI drive set to ID=0.  If you have the jumpers
set to use a different SCSI ID, then use the appropriate corresponding names.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: maniac@big-joe.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Re: A500 CPU Swap?
Reply-To: maniac@big-joe.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:26:33 GMT

In article <1845@vall.dsv.su.se>, peter-wa@zenita.dsv.su.se (Peter Wastholm) writes:
)   Some time ago, somebody told me it was possible to simply replace the 68000
) CPU in an A500 (1.3) with a 68010. This would make the computer 20 - 30 %
) faster. This sounds to me like a cheap way of getting a little more processing
) power in the machine. Does anybody know if this works? And if so: Have you
) tried it? Is the performance-improvement figure correct?
) 
)   :-)  Peter Wastholm  (peter-wa@dsv.su.se)

I replaced my 68000 with a 68010 back when I had a non-DMA hard disk, and the 
drive's DPerf ratings increased 50%!  Doesn't matter with a DMA HD, though. a few
other things improve in the 20%-30% range, with most programs showing a 5%-10% 
increase in speed.  As for software compatibility, I haven't had a problem, but
I stay away from the most likely offenders (games and demos that throw out the 
OS).  Anything that won't run on a 68010 either requires a 68020 or higher, which
you don't have anyway, or would break on a 68020 or higher.  The differences in
instruction modes are few.  One instruction got moved from a user instruction to
a Supervisor mode instruction (I agree that it should be there), the rest of the
differences involve interrupt stack layouts and stuff like that, which you shouldn't
have to worry about unless you're doing OS type functions (throwing out the OS,
or wedging into it like Xoper does).

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:24:44 GMT

damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:

>In <copes.716016392@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>>Import them from the US.  They are much cheaper there.
>>When I bought mine they were $25 + tax, which came to $30 a chip.  They are
>>now down to $22 + tax.  About twice what you could get them for in the US, if
>>you look around.  I've seen $14 a chip advertised.
>>I hope any new machine from C= will use simms.  They are only $45 each here,
>>heaps cheaper than zips. 

>i certainly hope they don't. ZIPs have a number of advantages over simms, not
>the least of which is their density - you can pack 16meg of very fast ram onto
>the 3000 motherboard into a space no bigger than a pack of playing cards!

You can also pack 32 megs of simms into nearly the same space using 4Meg parts.

>and at the current U.S. price of $14 a chip, thats $112 for FOUR meg, or
>less that $450 for sixteen meg. Hell, i spent $344 for ONE meg of ram only
>four years ago.

Four megs of simms are around A$180, for 60ns parts.  Not sure in the US, but
I would expect around US$100.  Faster to boot.  And easier to install, and the
price of them is falling fast due to their use in nearly every PC now made.
A couple of months ago they were A$80 each, they're now A$45.  In the same time
zips have dropped nearly A$3.  Woopee.:-)
C= used zips in the A3000 because they were the same price at the time.  Now
it's time to change.  It cost me A$240 for four megs of zips, simms would have
cost A$180.  :-(

Oh well.

>in four more years, ram will be cheaper than mechanical (harddrive) storage.

Probably.  So stop groveling for VM everyone :-)

>-- 
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