From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BxtqEE.JL2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:01:21 GMT

In article <BxtqEE.JL2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg ) writes:

   billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

   [my stuff deleted]

   >I guess you didn't see the tipped interceptions.  Wasn't from Elvis, guy.
   >Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken, Elvis was the Big 10's leading passer last
   >year.  I *know* that he was the nations leading passer, but perhaps Jason
   >snuck up after excluding the out of conference games.  Q: wanna bet on who
   >gets drafted higher?


   As far as pro-potential goes, Verduzco is not very tall.  In fact I believe
   he is 5'10".  This may hurt his chances at a job in the NFL at a time
   when the pros are looking for bigger quarterbacks, but at least he has
   an arm and can throw a nice-looking long pass.  

   As far as your boy Elvis, he is by no means the "God's gift to football"
   that you obnoxious Michigan fans make him out to be.  Take a look at 

And I think you are an ass too.  The difference is that I've got a reason,
right here.  You lump all michigan fans together.  Do you do that with all
other groups too?  Are all blacks the same?

I never built up Elvis reputation, I simply stated the facts about his rating
last year since you were wrong in your posting. 

   the way he throws long passes.  They look like punts.  Florida State and
   Washington paid attention to the fact that Grebac NEVER hits receivers
   in stride on long passes (he relies on players such as the undeserving
   Hiesman Trophy winner of last year, Desmond Howard, and undeserving
   Hiesman candidate Alexander of this year to COME BACK to the passes),
   and he was SHUT DOWN against them.

Go back and look at the stats.  FSU beat Michigan pretty soundly on the score
board.  But they did not shut down Elvis.  Furthermore, his biggest problem
in that game was two td interceptions, where the ball didn't make it 5 yards
past the line of scrimmage.  If you saw the Washington game you would have
noticed that the key was the front 7 pressure, and had nothing to do with a
specific defense of the deep routs.  Your ranting goes a lot farther if you
throw in a fact or two along the way.

   >The stats don't bear this out.  The michigan O walked the Illini D.  The no
   >huddle worked flawlessly, except for the last drive where the Illini D blitz
   >was called.  Most of the Michigan skill players dropped the ball, but the
   >offense was moving a ton on your D.

   The most important STAT that i noticed was the SCORE: 22-22.

Ahh, the final defense.  You were wrong, but your not mature enough to admit
it so you come back with the score.  Great case you've go there.

   >Ouch.  Not a little bitter about the past, are you?  You tied.  Just how
   >overbearing would you be if your team had won?  Was it Erickson who told one
   >of the Miami recievers, after celebrating a TD, "next time act like you've
   >been there before"?  You might want to take some advice from the wise coach
   >of our defending national champions.

   WRONG again.  If you want to talk about tying, I believe it was your jerk
   of a coach, Moeller, who played for 2 ties this season.  The pathetic 
   thing about the Woverines performance this weekend was that they tied an
   UNRANKED opponent IN MICHIGAN.  Sounds like you are the one who is bitter
   about the past because you can't erase that humiliating performance.

Not at all.  Michigan has had great teams over the last 20 years.  And they
*always* disappoint their fans along the way.  I'm used to it.  I still think
your bitter, but only because you haven't provided any other explanation for
the anger you spewed at Michigan.

   Hey GUY, I hope your future responses are a tad more polite.


You called me, and all michigan fans, obnoxious.  I've never said that about
your or Illinois fans.  You called my coach a jerk.  I've never said that
about you.  You slammed my best receiver from last year and this year, along
with my qb, as undeserving.  I've never slammed your team or players.  I did
call you overbearing in your post, and I'll stick by that because of the bile
you spewed forth unprovoked.  So far, though, I think I'm ahead on the polite
scale GUY.

Bill
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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu