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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Caller-ID modem (was Re: repost from comp.dcom.telecom
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:13:51 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1993Jan7.160412.20964@seas.smu.edu> doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.044923.7693@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>I thought Allen had died of a heart attack after eating too much of
>>your chile.  Do you mean to tell me that he is still alive?
       ^^^^^-- Geez, John, where are you from?? It's _chili_, dammit.

>Unfortunatly yes, and at last count he was attempting to reproduce too.

Gack. This could be dangerous.
I was wondering where he'd gotten off to...
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "Science is all in the public domain, and allows few secrets."
              -- Tom Clancy, _The Sum of All Fears_
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: bro@resi.cs.rice.edu (Douglas Monk)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Summary: Newspapers, TV, tx.general articles imply income tax coming...
Keywords: tax
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:50:54 GMT

In article <8365@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <C0G8nC.CuJ@rice.edu> bro@antigone.cs.rice.edu (Douglas Monk) writes:
>>[...] and now they are softening us up to sock us with one anyway?
>
>What leads you to this conclusion?

It was originally a newspaper article that actually was repeating the
"we have to have X or else we will wind up with a state income tax",
but I have seen similar things on TV and recent articles here in
tx.general.

I concur with the sentiment "why should we give them more when they
mishandled what we gave them before?".  I just plain hate political
manipulation, too.

Doug Monk (bro@rice.edu)

Disclaimer: These views are mine, not necessarily my organization's.

-- 
Doug Monk (bro@rice.edu)

Disclaimer: These views are mine, not necessarily my organization's.
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.talk
From: johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID modem (was Re: repost from comp.dcom.telecom
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:02:13 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX

In article <QVTMV06@taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
 
|> How could the phone company possibly know who's calling? The only verifiable
|> information they have is the calling phone number.

They know the name of the person who is responsible for paying the
bills for that phone number.  In fact, SW Bell's proposal included the
option of displaying either the name or the number.  If a different
person is the one making the phone call, then you're right.

-- 
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Why should I be tagged with the epithet 'loony', merely because I have a pet
 halibut?"
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.talk
From: doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID modem (was Re: repost from comp.dcom.telecom
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:00:35 GMT

In article <C0GIpt.12LB@austin.ibm.com> linas@boardhead.austin.ibm.com writes:
>Hmmm... interesting idea ... but isn't the debate supposed to be about
>"Caller ID" vs. "Calling Number ID"?   What if you are blocking an
>emergency phone call from your wife/freind/lover/etc who finds
>themselves marooned at a poorly lit phone both on east 12th St?
>Unless you don't care about having to explain why you didn't answer that
>call during deep space 9, its not a good idea.

Actually my wife/friend/lover/etc  being simi-telcom literate would have
called my Voice*Mail number, left a long and drawn out explaination (you
know, the kind only a wife can) of what the problem was, where she
was, how pissed she was ...etc.  Them punched in the emergency code
forcing it to ring my pager, call the cell phone, call the house line
line etc.  


Xref: sparky tx.general:893 houston.general:1309
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: uh.general,tx.general,houston.general
Subject: January 1993 hAng meeting [Houston Area NeXT Users Group]
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:33:36 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: uh
Reply-To: sears@uh.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: thanatos.egr.uh.edu

January Meeting Announcment


Houston Area NeXT Users Group

Date:  Wednesday, January 6, 1993

Time:	6:00 PM	Social and Lab Hour (Pizza & Coke)
	7:00 PM	Program

Location:
	University of Houston
	Social Hour:  Engineering Building, first
		floor commons area.
	Program:  Lecture 2, adjacent to the
		Engineering Building on the East side.

Program:

* DBKit - Mike Mezzino will demonstrate the NeXTSTEP 3.0 Database Kit.   
The demonstration will include connecting to an Oracle database over the  
Internet, and some short snippets of code so we can see how to program  
with the DBKit.


For information, call John Glover at 743-4430 or send email to  
glover@uh.edu.


--
Paul S. Sears                *  sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
The University of Houston    *  suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT
Engineering Computing Center *  comments, complaints, questions)
NeXT System Administration   *  DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC 
          >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<<
"Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Tormenting Telemarketers (was Re: Caller-ID discussion)
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:44:38 GMT

In article <86209@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>wow, so clever. and funny. really. tormenting people who are trying to
>make next month's rent in a fairly hellish job always turns me on.

Yeh, and tobacco farming is a tough business... people who take jobs that
inherently decrease the quality of life gotta expect stuff like this.
-- 
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Newsgroups: tx.general
From: rex@iqsc.COM (Rex Black)
Subject: Re: Tormenting Telemarketers (was Re: Caller-ID discussion)
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 15:50:08 GMT

sine nomine writes:
>wow, so clever. and funny. really. tormenting people who are trying to
>make next month's rent in a fairly hellish job always turns me on.

Ahhhh, yes, the old "Nuremburg defense."  Do we really have to start a
stupid flame war about whether or not cold calling people at home is 
ethical?

In my book, the real words of wisdom regarding phone salespeople are:  
Never forget that you pay for the phone, and it is there for your 
convenience, not the caller's.

Rex
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Tormenting Telemarketers (was Re: Caller-ID discussion)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:16:36 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX

In article <86209@ut-emx.uucp>, llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
|> wow, so clever. and funny. really. tormenting people who are trying to
|> make next month's rent in a fairly hellish job always turns me on.

Spoken like someone who used to be a telemarketer.  I thought his post
was very amusing, although I doubt I would actually try it.
 
I know they're just trying to make a living, but if they're going to
waste people's time, they shouldn't be too surprised that people will
want to waste theirs as well.

Here's a thought:  If my carpets need to be cleaned, I'll call a
carpet cleaner myself.

-- 
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Why should I be tagged with the epithet 'loony', merely because I have a pet
 halibut?"
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID discussion
Organization: Gordon Burditt
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:44:36 GMT

>: identification of the ANI *regardless* of privacy issues.  That way I can
>: have the ability to automatically call-screen, and you don't have to cough
>: out your real name, number, or address or whatever.  Seems like the best of
>: both worlds since it would address all of the CLID issues I've been hearing
>: people yell about... it fixes the pervert-scenario, it doesn't give away
>: useful information to telemarketers, and it provides inbound call screening
>: and/or dial-up security.

A scrambled ID, if the scrambling comes out the same way each time,
(which it has to be if you are able to usefully call-screen)
gives exactly the same information to telemarketers as an unscrambled one,
except your telephone number.  They can tie all calls from the same number
together, and to what you were calling about.  If you've EVER ONCE given 
out your phone number (or name) when you called with the number blocked, 
or called someone who recognizes your voice, you've just given away everything.

Nobody's mentioned Call Trace, which logs the number of a specific
threatening call, and turns it over to the police.  I think it's offered
whereever Caller ID is, and maybe in some places where it isn't.  It 
would seem to handle perverts nicely, although it's a bit like using 
nuclear weapons on a mosquito if the problem is neighbor's kids making 
prank phone calls.

						Gordon L. Burditt
						sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.talk
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID modem (was Re: repost from comp.dcom.telecom
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:09:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.160412.20964@seas.smu.edu> doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.044923.7693@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>I thought Allen had died of a heart attack after eating too much of
>>your chile.  Do you mean to tell me that he is still alive?
>
>Unfortunatly yes, and at last count he was attempting to reproduce too.

Yes, I've heard.  But I beat him to the genetic reproduction business.
My attempt at gene splicing will be delivered in the next few weeks ...
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
"If we make SS need based, can we change the name to: Failing Incompetents
    Compensation Allotment?"  -- Dr. Michael Reed
From: dewey@sooner.ctci.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Preview of 73rd Texas Legislature
Summary: Lots of trouble brewing.
Keywords: Speed Limits, Education, Gambling, Deregulation
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:12:22 GMT
Followup-To: tx.politics
Distribution: tx
Organization: CTC, Inc., Austin, TX. U.S. of A. 78757-3109


	
	Today's Austin American Stateman (Sunday 1/10/93) had a special 
	section on the 73rd Texas Legistlature.

	While it focused on Bills that the Austin/Travis County Senators
	and Representative would submit, there were some items of note
	for all of Texas.

	Bills to be submitted:

	1) Set macximum $5 (not a misprint) fine for going faster than 
	   55 MPH, but less than 70 MPH, on many long, lonely rural
	   (probably West Texas) stretches of highway. The ticket would
	   not go on a driver's insurance record.

	2) Lower the legal definition of drunk to 0.08 %. "That would
	   mean that a 180lb man could only drink three beers instead
	   in an hour instead of four before taking the wheel"

	Talk of the Income Tax by Rep Elliot Naishtat. I'm sorry, but
	no matter how screwed up the current tax system is, I will
	not agree to this. I've talked to his office about this, they
	have some convincing arguments, but I can't see giving more
	money to a govt. that can't handle what they've already got.
	The arguments his office spout are that by revising the Tax
	system, property taxes would go down if a state Income tax
	is instituted.(Yeah right, for how long).

	Paying for Prisons, there are 27,000 beds under constuction.
	Clean Water Bills.
	New Gambling propsals, video lottery, riverboat gambling &
		even casinos.
	Trucking Deregulation
	Telephone Deregulation
	
	AND LAST but NOT least.		WARNING HERE.

	School Finance.
	If the solution involves a constitutional amendment, lawmakers
	must act fast: The Legislature must approve a proposed amendment
	by mid-February in order to presnet it to voters before a court
	deadline. (This is first I've ever heard of this deadline)

	Some things missing in my Opinion:
	No talk of the Brewpub law, nor of a Stalking law.
-- 
Dewey Coffman dewey@ctci.com  All opinions expressed are unrelated to reality.
CTC, Inc.			  "That voodoo stuff don't do nothing for me."
"If you fail to plan, plan to fail" 	PANIC: waiting for a good idea.
Newsgroups: tx.general,tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:39:28 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <ZOmhs*ly1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.144352.9851@digi.lonestar.org>, Mark Harrison writes:

>> (still in a foul mood after hearing about Chelsea's school plans)

>Would YOU really want your kids to go to DC public schools?  Slick Willie is
>just as hypocritical on most of his positions - however, at least THIS one
>he has a valid reason to do so.

Apparently, some of the DC schools aren't that bad (and some of them
are at least 'that bad').  In any case, I don't even see why this is
an issue (unless he is asking for a voucher to pay the cost of the
private school).  I can think of a number of reasons why his daughter
should be in a private rather than a public school which have nothing
to do with educational quality.

People also seem to forget that his daughter went to public school in
LIttle Rock (rather convenient memories, from what I can tell).

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.general
From: mdm@mondy.uucp (Michael Mondy)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID modem (was Re: repost from comp.dcom.telecom
Organization: Mondy and Associates
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:32:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.111713.16965@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
>
>
>	The new Texas law only stops the computer automated
>calls, not computer-dialed/human-answered calls.  

Can someone please give details or a pointer to this law?
I've heard this before, but received a computer message a 
few days ago.

Also, does this law cover an out-of-state generated call where a computer
instructs you to please hold until a person becomes available?  (Yes, this
did happen recently!)

Mike
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-lep.cts.com!syslep@cactus.org (System Leprechaun)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Lotto
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:14:57 -0600
Organization: The Texas Leprechaun BBS, Austin, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

drew@deathstar.dell.com (Drew Stephens) writes:

>I'm interested to know if anyone has, or knows where to get a list
>of all of the winning numbers for the Texas Lottery. I know most 

Something like this, perhaps???

(Available from the fileserver at pro-lep.cts.com)

Texas Lottery Results:  Overall Odds 1 in 57
---------------------
 1 - 14 Nov 92 - $ 2.5 Million - 13-16-22-29-32-38 - No winner
 2 - 18 Nov 92 - $ 4.0 Million - 27-31-39-44-45-47 - No winner
 3 - 21 Nov 92 - $10.0 Million - 11-21-24-28-31-48 - No winner
 4 - 25 Nov 92 - $12.0 Million - 14-21-36-39-40-42 - No winner
 5 - 28 Nov 92 - $21.7 Million -  9-17-21-24-28-50 -Janie Kallus/Schulenburg TX

 6 -  2 Dec 92 - $ 3.4 Million -  5-17-19-25-26-38 - Linda York, Fort Worth TX
 
 7 -  5 Dec 92 - $ 2.0 Million -  7-23-24-35-36-45 - No winner
 8 -  9 Dec 92 - $ 5.0 Million -  4-11-16-31-32-45 - No winner
 9 - 12 Dec 92 - $10.0 Million - 18-23-25-26-38-42 - No winner
10 - 16 Dec 92 - $15.8 Million - 14-23-24-31-38-42 - The Holders, Kerrville TX
                                                     Peter Luong, Houston TX

11 - 19 Dec 92 - $ 3.5 Million -  9-15-21-23-33-37 - Christine Kubiak Patke
                                                     Bremond TX

12 - 23 Dec 92 - $ 2.0 Million -  9-12-13-32-37-48 - No winner
13 - 26 Dec 92 - $ 6.8 Million -  5-17-21-23-26-38 - The Irwins, Coppell TX
                                                     Unclaimed, Granite Shoals

14 - 30 Dec 92 - $ 2.0 Million -  3-29-38-39-47-47


Frequency Distribution:
----------------------
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Updated semiweekly.  For an update, send mail to "server@pro-lep.cts.com"
with "send lotto.numbers" as the subject.

Xref: sparky tx.general:940 austin.general:3878
From: tam@furry.lonestar.org (Todd A. Murray)
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.general
Subject: Re: Tormenting Telemarketers (was Re: Caller-ID discussion)
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:30:45 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Small Furry Animals Unlimited, Plano TX
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1993Jan4.185843.16973@montagar.com> davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
> 
> 	     Tormenting Telmarketers - A Game You Can Play at Home!

Good one.  I might have to try it sometime, especially with the people from the
Texas State Troopers Association and other police associations who are always
hitting me up for a donation.  These guys don't need my money anyway, and about
75 or 80 percent of it goes to the telemarketing organization, according to
some of Steve Blow's columns in the Dallas Morning News.

I also like what Jerry Seinfeld said on his show a couple months ago when he
got a call from some long distance company:

 Telemarketer: Good evening, sir.  I'm calling from [some long distance
   company].  Would you like to switch to our service?
 Jerry: Well, I really don't have time to talk to you right now.  Why don't you
   give me your home phone number and I'll call you back later?
 Telemarketer: Uh, I'm really not supposed to do that, sir.
 Jerry: Oh, I see.  You don't want people to bother you at home.
 Telemarketer: Right.
 Jerry: Good.  Now you know how I feel.  (hangs up)

(By the way, you should think about submitting the original message to
rec.humor.funny.)

-- 
Todd A. Murray - tam@furry.lonestar.org
"I want to decide who lives and who dies." -- Crow from MST3K
From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Tormenting Telemarketers (was Re: Caller-ID discussion)
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:09:49 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <86209@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>wow, so clever. and funny. really. tormenting people who are trying to
>make next month's rent in a fairly hellish job always turns me on.

I can understand the original poster's frustration, however. His phone line
is, after all, a private one. He had it installed (I presume) for his use, and
for those acquaintances of his who have his permission, to use. No one else's.

Having a phone is not an open invitation to anyone who wants to call. Calling
someone without their permission (this can be explicit or implicit) is, to me,
rude.

Besides, I felt like his post was fairly tongue-in-cheek.
--
Griff Miller > miller@monarch.wg3.waii.com < use this for email.

          *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. ***

   "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but 
    fools despise wisdom and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7 
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.talk
From: doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID modem (was Re: repost from comp.dcom.telecom
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:42:10 GMT

>
In article <1993Jan05.040542.25904@chinacat.unicom.com> chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) writes:
>I'm merely executing my duties as a deputized member of the logic police.

>In article <1993Jan5.024908.17284@seas.smu.edu>
>	doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis) writes:
>>You guys do realize that ANI (Automatic Number Identification) is
>>available to almost anyone with an 800 number.  [...]
>This is a flawed analogy.
>
>Caller identity is *necessary* with 800 service.  If you are going to
>pay for calls received on your 800 number, you better well get an
>itemized detail of those charges.

Methinks, Mr Spock, that you need to reevaluate your position on
the logic of the above argument.  One could argue using your own
analogy that I am paying for my telephone therefore I deserve a list
of people and or numbers that call it. (yes but 800 numbers are
pay as you go)  I submit that, under the same logic,  cellular telephones
would fall into the same catagory since anyone can initiate a call
to one which would be billed to the recipient.

>>CLID is putting the power to choose who interrupts your life at
>>dinner time where it belongs.  
>
>...for twice the price of an answering machine set in `screen' mode and
>at a fraction of the effectiveness.
Mr Spock your logic unfounded.  How can you possible judge effectiveness
by mere speculation.  *IF* I had the information available in the inbound
data stream to my telephone, you would be able to count the hours before
I had a "black box" that would redirect calls from numbers not in a list
to an answering machine. 

I might even have a "special" message reserved for certain numbers.

I feel that the above would be highly effective method of dealing
with people like ALLEN GWINN who inist on calling at each commercial break
during the premiere of Deep Space 9.

Oh yeah, shortly afterwards I'ed build another "black box" that would
do the samething for my computer, but it would only raise DTR to
the modem *IF* a call came from a known number.


doug
   
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.general