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From: rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Very good start by India
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:27:07 GMT
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	by Indian standards ! 

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Rajesh Raman

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Subject: Re: Possible Aust squad for England
From: WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA)
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:42:46 +1000
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In <1993Jan17.224932.17001@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU writes:

> 
> With the Australia v West Indies series nearing its end, I thought it
> might be interesting to select a possible 17-man squad for the ashes tour
> to England.
> 
> Batsmen
> -------
> A. Border (c)
> M. Taylor (v-c)
> D. Boon
> M. Hayden
> D. Martyn
> D. Jones
> M. Waugh
> S. Waugh
> 

I think you've just about got the batsmen right. Possibly Justin Langer might
get a go in place of D. Jones, but that would be a dicey one.

> Bowlers
> -------
> C. McDermott
> B. Reid (if fit)
> M. Hughes
> P. Reiffel
> S. Warne
> G. Matthews
> B. Julien
> 

I think B. Reid would be a bit of a worry. Knowing him, he'd probably break
down in the first county game, and we'd be a player short for the rest of the
tour. Also, I'd be inclined to pick Tim May in place of Greg Matthews, because
in test cricket, Matthews just hasn't proved that he's a good enough bowler to
win a test match, and he's had plenty of chances.

> W'Keepers
> ---------
> I. Healy
> T. Zoehrer
>
> I would say the test team is likely to be:
> 
> M. Taylor
> M. Hayden
> D. Boon
> M. Waugh
> S. Waugh
> A. Border
> G. Matthews/S. Warne (depending on pitches)
> I. Healy
> P. Reiffel/M. Hughes
> C. McDermott
> B. Reid

I can't see how you can compare Reiffel and Merv Hughes for the test side. Merv
has a test average of 28 and a proven record. Over the last few years is
average is probably 25 or less, because he had a bad start to his career. Short
of injury, or a dramatic loss of form, it's hard to see Hughes missing out on
test matches. He will, however, probably miss out on the one-dayers,
particularly if someone like Whitney goes along.

All in all, your projections look very reasonable.



The Speaker.

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From: apurva@cs.sfu.ca (Apurva Desai)
Subject: Re: Ravi Shastri..
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:11:08 GMT

In article <C1Btro.D06@acsu.buffalo.edu>, skumar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shivesh Kumar) writes:
> 
> BASU (sbasu@spock) wrote:
> : In article <C19Iyn.3B0@cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
> : writes:
> 
> > Pick Manjrekar, who deserves to walk into any Indian TEST side, & that
> > problem is solved. Besides, Manjrekar has more gears than Shastri - not
> > just 1st & top.
>        ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Shastri has a reverse gear too not just 1st & top!!
> 
> -shivesh
Well said. In fact his reverse gear is more powerful than any of the others 
mentioned.I remember him bat in one of the India Aus ODI. When during 1st 
15 overs or so all he did was to put the bat in front of the ball and with 
as little  backlift as  possible(Too much work to lift the bat I guess)
And then when he realised that he was wasting too much time, He started 
stepping away from the stumps to any ball and any bowler. Finally he managed 
to connect a ball and lob a catch to one of the midon/midoff fielders to 
everyone's delight.( I bet that was not what Border had planned).
 

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From: craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( Steve Holmes, Computer Centre )
Subject: Re: "Hands-off Guys...!"    An Indian Warning
Reply-To: craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:34:24 GMT

When I saw the title of this posting, I thought it was a followup
to "No Chicks allowed".

Steve

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From: jlaranha@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jeevan Levin Aranha)
Subject: Indian Manager initiates CODE 009 on the Indian Cricket Team !
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:20:43 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Hi Netters,

I just want to congratulate Mr Ajit Wadekar for taking this present stand.
He should have done this during the South African tour. This will most
definately shake up the team and install some form of discipline. Not sure
if it's goinng to work but hell it's a step in the right direction. Most of
the players have indeed abused their sense of freedom and have forgotten
what work ethic stands for. If they are to rise to the top of the ladder in
the world of cricket they better learn to accept where their priorities lie.
If I'm not mistaken cricket is a way of life i.e a career for most of the
the players. Note I'm not taking their Bank jobs into consideration because
personally I feel it's a big joke. I wonder what happens to a Test discards
in terms of security. The code of discipline has to be followed inorder to
be successful. Who knows maybe some form of professionalism will finally
be observed in the Indian cricket team with the advent of CODE 009.

Cheers !

Jeevan Aranha.
University of Sooners.


P.S  This is strictly my opinion and no flames please !
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Subject: Re: Javed's attitute and a question.
From: robert@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Robert Van Doorn)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 06:31:17 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1993Jan18.181913.25824@cc.gatech.edu> pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.100507.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, mdmjs@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:
>|> 
>|> What would happen if the batsman smashed a ball (on the full), into
>|> the helmet of a player at short-leg and it got stuck between the
>|> cage on the helmet and the visor on the helmet. Lets say the fielder
>|> in uninjured and pulls the ball out quickly, and tries to claim a
>|> catch. My guess is not out, as the ball was lodged and hence "dead ball".
>|> True?
>
>It's definitely not out. Something similar happened recently in RSA,
>when Manjrekar hit a ball hard onto the short leg's helmet - the ball
>then looped up and the fielder claimed a catch, which the umpire upheld.
>Manjrekar protested and the umpire declared him not out. Something
>like this had apparently also happened in B'bay before.
>
About 9 or 10 years ago here in Australia we had a situation in a test match 
where the batsman bottom edged a cut shot onto the keepers boot (he was up 
to the stumps for the spinner), the ball popped up and first slip took the 
catch. The umpire judged this as out. How is this different from hitting the 
ball into short leg's helmet and another fieldsman completing the catch???

Rob, AAITP.
From: slbqz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: a question
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:54:49 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Hi this is a question
Viv Richards scored the fastest century in test cricket. Of how many 
balls did he score it. I would also be grateful if anyone is able to tell 
me when he scored it. I think it was in 1986 I am not sure
thanks in advance
Rajesh
From: RAHULI@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (RAHUL INDRAYAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: indian cricket teams statsitics wanted
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:11:23 GMT
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Hello!
Can anyone please post full stats for India in cricket.
That is number of ODIs played, no. won, no. lost, etc
Thanks a lot.
	
Rahul Indrayan
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan Capt.
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:12:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan27.173513.29835@hubcap.clemson.edu> awaheed@hubcap.UUCP (Aamir Waheed) writes:
>By the way Majid is not a member of the selection comt. Javed Burki is.
>                                           Aamir Waheed 

On the contrary, Majid is the chairman of the selction comt.

Salman [FYI] Azhar


PS: If I get a chance, I will post some extracts from a chat with him
last month. Not just about cricket, but some anthroplogical issues as
well.

-- 
When humans are given unalieanable rights like life, liberty, and the
pursuit in happiness, very often they interpret that as happiness of
pursuit which threatens the liberty of life in their surroundings.
                                 --- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:41:11 EST
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Leading Test Averages.
 <1993Jan18.224754.12134@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
 <1993Jan25.075400.99@iwsd01.itwol.bhp.com.au>
 <1993Jan24.225739.24002@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1993Jan25.203242.11514@vax.oxford.ac.uk>

In article <1993Jan25.203242.11514@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
says:
>
>If by leading allrounder you mean a player who would have made the team solely
>as a batsman or as a bowler then I would say Sobers then Botham with the rest
>scrambling!
>
imran would make the list ahead of botham any day. he is arguably a was a much
better bowler than botham. and as a batsman he was technically very correct,
and in fact, when he played in the pakistan team as a batsman, he averaged
about 45 or so. his career bowling and batting averages are better than
botham's.

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

Non illegitimati carborundum          Don't let the bastards get you down
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The best ever Test  XIs
Date: 29 Jan 93 11:06:36 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan27.202113.16844@nmsu.edu>, sbasu@sulu (BASU) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.222219.6280@grace.cri.nz> howard@grace.cri.nz  
> (Howard Silby) writes:
>  
>> Good try if your not a New Zealander but it looks like an `NZ 70s and  
> 80s team'
>> not an all time great XI.
> 
> Thanks! I concede that I don't know much about NZ teams before then. But  
> knowing what I know about Burgess & Congdon, I would not like to exclude  
> them.       
> 
>  To which you might respond "But NZ hardly won any
>> matches before then".
> 
> That wasn't a consideration when I made my XI.
> 
>  This is true. But for a brief period decades before NZ
>> had a strong team which most certainly would have beaten England in  
> England had
>> they not accorded them the absurdity of 3 day tests. (all tests were  
> drawn
>> not surprisingly).
>> Donnely was regarded as the best left-hander in the world immediately
>> post WWII, Dempster was world class. Both have 50+ test averages. Among
>> Donnely's greater achievements was a test double-century at Lords.
>> Bradman was one of many who have paid tribute to Cowie's bowling.
> 
> Accepted. Given your list, this is my final XI
> 
> NEW ZEALAND
> -----------             
> Stu Dempster
> Glen Turner      
> Martin Donnely
> Martin Crowe             
> Bev Congdon            
> Mike Burgess (vc)   
> John Reid (c)           
> Sir Richard Hadlee                                            
> Ian Smith (wk)          Lance Cairns
> Jack Cowie
> 
> Regards,
> Scrooge 
> 
>> Regards,
>> Howard
>> Applied Mathematics Div.
>> Gracefield Reseach Centre

Bert Sutcliffe?

Richard.
From: prakash@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: A Question?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:47:48 GMT

In article <1juvgnINNkdj@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
> In article <22JAN199321452412@vill.edu> 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
>>Hia!
>>
>>If you all muat have remembered Gavaskar fulfilled his dreams
>>of scoring a century at Lords during the Bi-centinnial game held
>>there about 5 years ago; that too in his last first class match.
>>Now my question is
>>
>>	Who were the other batsmen who scored centuries in that 
>>match.  That there is something common about them is another
>>point.
>  
> Mike Gatting.
> Don't recollect any other tons.
>>
>>Bye
>>~sandeep

	I do remember that the thing common to them was that their last-
names started with `G'. So the other one(s) should be Greenidge and/or Gooch
(if he did play).

Bye

Guru Prakash
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From: demon@cc.daemon.edu (The Devil's Advocate)
Subject: Re: 'Gavaskar the Great'
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:36:00 GMT

In article <1ji3kjINN3g3@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman) writes...
>	Anyone remember the 96 against Pakistan at Bangalore. That was
>	an innings that was hailed as one of the best innings against
>	spin by any batsman.

             Well many say, and the action replays confirm it --- he
             was clearly out, caught at forward short leg, long before
             he actually got out.

             Admittedly, it was a classic innings apart from that one
             chance, but that's what counts in Cricket; not giving
             even a single chance, however difficult it is.
> 


reagrds,

The Devil's Advocate.

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From: sbasu@sulu (BASU)
Subject: Re: Gavaskar Quiz
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:24:10 GMT

In article <1k1p6fINNr2i@skat.usc.edu> ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala  
Nesiah) writes:
> " We are the world, Gavaskar's children
>   We are the ones who make his day
>   So lets start praising
>   There's a noise he's making
>   He is saving his own  skin <= *
>   Its true he's a pompous ass
>   like you and me."
> 
> [With sincere apologies to Michael Jackson, 
> Lionel Richie and Gavaskarites all over the world]
> 
> 8->

*	A nice rap, but since Gavaskar's long retired, I can't see any  
reason for him to save his skin

Scrooge
From: drinnen@deakin.edu.au (Philip Shead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 1980s Dream Teams Matchup
Date: 21 Jan 1993 00:13:11 -0600
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In article <farrell.727571222@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
>In <del.727498197@hawk> del@hawk.adied.oz.au (D Elson) writes:
>>vr@cs.brown.edu (Viswanath Ramachandran) writes:
>
>>I'd only make one change -- replace Richards with Bradman as captain.
>>I was never impressed with Richards' captaincy.  If you wanted to bat
>>a bit further down the order, you could replace Barnes or Grimmett
>>with Hadlee or Imran.
>
>  This is taking things a bit far! Sid Barnes scored 234 in a test match, what
>does he have to do to be as good as Hadlee?
>
>
>Friendless

  Not so sure wether this statement was aimed to be amusing or not, but
S.G. Barnes scored 234 and judging from Barnes being named at 10 I would
suggest the Barnes  in the team named would be S.F. Barnes.
 In fact I would have both Barnes's in my team. Which would be.
S.G. Barnes
W.H. Ponsford
I.V.A. Richards
D.G. Bradman
G.St A. Sobers (vc)
K.R. Miller (c)
R.W. Marsh (k) 
R.J. Hadlee
M.A. Holding
W.A. O'Reilly
S.F. Barnes

A found a bit of trouble with Wicket keepers because although you always
hear of the great number of stumpings from early keepers but they
had greater spinners to keep to. 

A nice mix of bowlers I thought with O'Reilly's medium pace and Sobers
spin provided the relief from Barnes' swing, Hadlee's skill and Holding and
Millers' pace. Miller gets to be captain from Sobers.

As for an Australian team in England
how about
M.L. Hayden
D.C. Boon
J.L. Langer
M.E. Waugh
D.R. Martyn
A.R. Border
T.J. Zoehrer
B.P. Julian
S.K. Warne
M.G. Hughes
C.J. McDermott

Taylor is out considering he average 29 in 1992, and his average is on the way
down since being about 60 at the end of 89/90 season.
Zoehrer for Healy is simple.
And Julian is in as the left armer. I DONT think either Reid or Whitney
will go too well in the UK. Neither are good at touring, and I think they
need the Australian pitches to be succesful. Of the 2 I think that
Reid would be better in England.
Chow for now,
Phil
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: A Question?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:51:35 GMT
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In article <22JAN199321452412@vill.edu> 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
>Hia!
>
>If you all muat have remembered Gavaskar fulfilled his dreams
>of scoring a century at Lords during the Bi-centinnial game held
>there about 5 years ago; that too in his last first class match.
>Now my question is
>
>	Who were the other batsmen who scored centuries in that 
>match.  That there is something common about them is another
>point.
 
Mike Gatting.
Don't recollect any other tons.
>
>Bye
>~sandeep
>
>_____
>
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From: ccrob@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au (Rob McMillan)
Subject: Re: The best ever Test XIs
Followup-To: rec.sport.cricket
Organization: University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:51:59 GMT

In article <kpw105-280193091726@theophys1.anu.edu.au>, kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen) writes:
> (Rob McMillan) wrote:
>> 
    { my team and a few comments }
>> 
>> Tallon, from what I have read, wins ahead of Grout and Marsh.
>> 
>> --
>> Rob.
> 
> I remember reading a book some time ago where 12 people I think (writers
> and players) were asked their Australian best ever XI, and the only three
> players which were included in every side were Bradman, O'Reilly and Don
> Tallon.  I had never even heard of Tallon prior to this.  What did he do
> that was so good?  He'd have to be pretty good to out do Marsh, Grout and
> Oldfield, but his record doesn't appear particularly amazing.

Yes, I'd agree that on the face of it, his figures are not as great as the
others. However, of the writings that I've read from people like McGilvray,
Bradman et al, many agreed that he was simply the most amazing keeper they'd
ever seen. He could keep to the quicks no problem, and apparently was quite
exceptional when standing up. Early in his career, he was an accomplished
batsman at State level as well. The reason why Wally Grout was waiting in the
wings for so long before he got his chance for Queensland and Australia was
that Tallon had such a strangehold. Grout was 42 when he died in 1965 (?), and
he'd been playing first class cricket for, say, 10-15 years. This means he
waited until his late '20's (perhaps up till 30) to get his spot. Given his
reputation, that's a fair tribute to Tallon.

> Bill O'Reilly was one of the people asked, but he was told to pick 10
> players plus himself.  I think Bradman picked a team aswell, which included
> both the Chappells.  Not 100% sure of this though.
> 
> My team is:
> 
> Simpson
> Trumper
> Bradman
> Harvey
> Chappell
> Border
> Miller
> Marsh
> O'Reilly
> Lillee
> Spofforth
> 
> Reasons:  Spofforth and Trumper can't be ignored despite the difficulties
> in including players from so long ago, they are still considered by some
> people as the best ever at their respective arts.  

Hard to argue. Personally, if I got to pick a single batsman to watch, it would
be a toss up between Bradman and Trumper. I picked Morris and Ponsford purely
on the supposition that they were probably more consistent. It would have been
something to see Trumper bat in 1902 on a wet pitch, though...

--
Rob.

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From: SAbbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas)
Subject: Re: Akram
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 06:44:11 GMT



I disagree with you. I have seen and met all team mebers when they were
in New Zealand. They simply do not obey Miandad. Why. Because Miandad is
too soft person to be leader. Someone "loose tempered" like I thiink all
fast bowlers, should have been captain. But of course Waqar is the worst
possible choice for V.C. at the age of 19 years.

Instead of changing Miandad first, they should have Manager replaced
first. Col. Naushad Ali do not know how to play cricket, and with some
Army's top blessings he was made Manager of the team. May be players
were not happy with the situation, and they showed up bad form?????

Ghazanfar Abbas
(S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz)
From: drinnen@deakin.edu.au (Philip Shead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Summary of method of dismissal of Aus 1st class session.
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:49:04 -0600
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How dismissed
Team                 M   I   N/O C    C&B  CW   BD   LBW  St   R/O  HtWkt
Australia              3  56   7   21    2   15    5    3         3
Australia XI           1  17   3    8         2    2    1         1
New South Wales        6 101  20   32    3   15   14    9    1    6    1
Pakistan               1  14   4    5    1    2         1         1
Queensland             7 128  19   54    1   24   15   10         5
South Australia        6 116  16   46    2   21   16    7    2    5    1
Tasmanian              6  89  13   32    4   16   14    8         2
Victoria               5  77  12   30    1   11    8   11    3    1
Western Australian     7 129  17   41    3   25   20   12    2    9
West Indies            6 110  14   40    1   21   21    7    2    4
                         837 125  309   18  152  115   69   10   37    2
                                                                       0
How taken
Team                 M   Wickets C    C&B  CW   BD   LBW  St   R/O  HtWkt
Australia              3  48       20    1   10   10    3    2    2
Australia XI           1  15        8         1    3    3
New South Wales        6 103       46    2   25   16    7    2    5
Pakistan               1  17        8    1    4    2    1         1
Queensland             6 114       46    7   27   16   11    2    5
South Australia        5  63       29    1   12    9    6         6
Tasmanian              6  91       36    1   18   11   16    1    6    2
Victoria               5  74       30    2   13   16    8    1    4
Western Australian     6 101       47    1   22   18    9    1    3
West Indies            5  86       39    2   20   14    5    1    5