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From: tmw4r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Munroe Walsh)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:44:13 GMT

In article <1edr4fINN1ec@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:
>In article <14719.2b0a22a7@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> A lot of books got lost in the DC Implosion of the 70's. 
>>One of the books I know of for sure is the original Firestorm
>>series.  The story for the next issue was finished but only printed in 
>>copies of an anthology books that was used only to secure
>>the copywrite.  Sorry, don't know the name but there are only 
>>a few copies out there.  I beleive it was made by xeroxing
>>the stories and stapling them together, in house.
>
>I've asked this before, but I'll try again:  does *anyone* out there have
>a copy or photocopy of this thing?  Some of my favorite comics were caught
>in the Implosion (most notably Firestorm and Sevret Society of Super
>Villians).  I know that the stories were eventually resolved, but they
>seemed as though they'd been just tacked on.  I'd love to see the
>originals. 
>-- 
>Ken Small
>kens@umich.edu
>Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan

Good luck on finding a copy.  According to the Overstreet Guide,
only 35 copies each of the two issues of "Cancelled Comics 
Cavalcade" exist.

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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:41:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.015733.15207@seas.gwu.edu> mikeo@seas.gwu.edu (Michael J O'Malley) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.181056.5923@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>>
>>
>>The current vote is 30 - 4 in favour of calling LNH off-topic, by the way.
>>
>
>  How can there be an "off" topic in a misc group? Seems an oxymoron to me...
>

	So, if a whole bunch of us wanted to start posting comments about
baseball to rec.music.misc, or fictional stories to comp.sys.mac.misc, that
would make a lot of sense?
	The question which Jim really seems to be posing here is whether or
not the LNH postings have anything to do with comics.  Personally I don't
think they do.  If it belongs in any sort of misc group, it should really
go in one of the fiction newsgroups.  If I were to post a few fictional
goofy stories about baseball in a baseball newsgroup, nobody would really
mind I suspect.  But if it came to the point where 1/3 to 1/2 the posts on
some days were all looney, self-referential, cliquish baseball fiction, I
would expect a lot of people to become really tired of it.  I wouldn't really 
mind it if all those who post LNH stuff would adhere to some sort of make-it-
easy-to-put-in-a-kill-file convention, but they just don't.  
	There are plenty of options for people who like doing the LNH stuff,
but don't want to really annoy the other 95% of the rec.arts.comics.misc 
readers. They could start their own "official" group in the rec.* hierarchy,
they could create a mailing list and do LNH stuff that way, or they could just
be thougtful and make sure that all LNH posts had a big "LNH" in the subject
line so that people could kill it really easily.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Robin III
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:07:29
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 23 Nov 92 14:25:05 GMT

>>>>> On 23 Nov 92 14:25:05 GMT, jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) said:

jd53> What's the deal with issue number 3?  It was on someone's list
jd53> for comics coming out this week, but I never saw it.  What did I
jd53> miss?

I just got #2 last Wednsday....
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From: devil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Beast)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: thor
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:18:02 GMT
Reply-To: devil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Beast)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: devil@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu

To: klein@seq.uncwil.edu
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Thor
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <1992Nov12.012445.23513@seq.uncwil.edu> you write:
>On a different note, could some kind soul summarize what has been going
>on lately with Thor for those of us who don't want to be seen buying the
>book :)
>
>                                   

After killing Loki way back in issue #432, Thor was banished for
all eternity by Odin (who was actually Loki:Loki channeled himself
to Odin's body right after Thor killed him. (Odin was in his sacred
Odinsleep and therfore vulnerable). Heimdall, the interim ruler of
Asgard gave Thor's hammer and powers to Eric Masterson. Eric now 
would become Thor and still retain his own mind. After a lot of
practice, Eric became quite successful as the new Thundergod.
Mephisto had Odin's soul while Loki was controlling Odin's body.
After a father-son confrontation, Odin regained his own body and
Mephisto took Loki's soul. Recently, Eric Masterson freed the original
Thor from his place of banishment. The old Thor gave Eric Mjolnir,
and told him to safeguard Earth; while he himself planned to marry
Sif and stay on Asgard as the rightful heir to the throne. Sif meanwhile
developed an usual relationship with Eric. Whether she is in love with
Eric or not, time will tell. 
send e-mail if you have any more questions.

The Devil.

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From: jh173456@prince.carleton.ca ( jh student 173456)
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:49:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.025207.25876@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>In article <lgn91nINN4m1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>>
>>Its interesting to compare this storyline to Jerry Siegel's 30 year old death
>>of Superman story. Siegel's (imaginary, but then arent they all) story is
>>incredibly dark and contains betrayal and tragedy. Its also very moving : it 
>>can move one to tears decades after it was written and is so infnitely
>>superior to the Doomsday storyline that its painful.
>>
>Ah yes, a classic in every sense of the word - I remember reading that issue
>as one of several Silver Age DC comics my Dad was given by a friend of his
>whose kids had 'outgrown' them. Now I see issues I remember on walls in 
>comic shops selling for ridiculous prices.
>A question - has Siegel's story been reprinted in any paperback form? I can't
>afford hardback volumes, and I'd really like to read this again! Any info
>would be much appreciated.
>
>Mike

I think the issue was Superman (now Adventures of...) #149, but
I think that was reprinted in the "Greatest Superman Stories Ever
Told" book DC did about four years ago. Your finer comic book
shops should have it or be able to get it. This is all from memory,
so I'd do more digging. I read it once, and would like to again too!

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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Oz Squad panned in Baum Bugle
Keywords: Oz
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:47:32 GMT

I can't really argue with OS being panned by the Bugle.  Although it is
lovingly based on the Oz canon, it is in too many fundamental ways, *not*
an Oz story.  No happy endings here.

I happen to think that the book is *highly* offensive.  I'm a sick enough
person that I enjoy being offended in this way, but I can see how lots of 
people wouldn't.  <shrug>  Let's just admit that it's a book that appeals
to a limited audience and leave it at that?

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
    "Ooh, lookie Max, I mean, Sam -- it's the appalling visage of crime!"
"Right under our beaks!"
    "What a pinhead!  Does he not fear us?!"        -- Sam and Max
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Titans Sellout:  Instant Members
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:34:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov16.183418.24584
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

How is it that Pantha is accepted as a Titan, and everyone knows it?
When you come down to it, she's just someone the Titans met a few
'days' ago, and have no particular reason to like.

It's the new-D&D-players syndrome.
DM:  You meet an Elf by the side of the road.
New Player:  Hi, I'm an Elf and I'm looking for pelf.
Other Players:  We're going to kill a dragon.  Want to join us?

Something similar was observed in LSH, where King John takes it
for granted that Bounty -- whose only credentials are that she's
a good shot and that she accompanied Celeste, whose also new --
is member of the Legion.

X-Men and its ilk have always been particularly bad about this
instant-member syndrome.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Superman Revival Methods The good parts version
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:05:21 GMT

He's not dead.
He's just MOSTLY dead.
I've seen worse.


LJC
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Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
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Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Guy Gardner #3
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:03:28 GMT

In article <1eggc4INN3lh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel) writes:
>
>I REALLY liked this issue. I've been a big Guy Gardner fan for 
>years (no flames, please). I was thrilled to hear he was getting
>his own book. So far, I have enjoyed the series. I think I've 
>enjoyed GG#3 the best for two reasons:
>	1) I got to see Guy kicking butt in a fight and win big.
>	   DC doesn't give him many chances to be victorious.
>	2) It allowed the reader to use their imagination as
>	   to what Guy might be thinking.
>Last page was just perfect for the book..."Next!"  I had to laugh
>out loud...
>		BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!


	As I was reading through GG#3 in the local comics store, I too had
to laugh out loud as I came to the end.  I was not, however, laughing at or
with the comic, but with the writers' "suckering" of both DC and the people 
who are going to buy this issue. When someone saying "Next!" at the end of an
issue-long fight scene is the only  substantive dialogue in a comic, I think 
it's a sign that the writers are just being lazy.  (The artists, however, did
an admirable job, IMHO).
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: -I KNOW WHERE GOTHAM CITY IS--
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:10:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Obscure Trivia Lad wishes to throw in a little info on this topic.

According to Legends of the Dark Knight #27 (Obscure Trivia Lad
thinks this is the right issue number - it's part of the Destroyer
storyline), it mentions that Gotham is between the ocean and an
inland river, adding that this is similar to New York, Boston,
and Metropolis.

Obscure Trivia Lad - an Elder of the LNH who doesn't get alt.comics.lnh,
so it looks like you're stuck with me for now.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.235753.982@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:

>The story ends with Superman and Hal going to Hell (Neil didn't say why),
>
	Why is it that EVERYONE goes to Hell? My gosh.

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu
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"I hear you made a dog's breakfast of your golf this morning, Bertie."
-P.G. Wodehouse
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikEscutia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Stuff
Date: 14 Nov 1992 03:12:52 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world
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Hi, gang!  Check out my name ( in the parenthesis on the address line).  For
those of you on a UNIX system, it's the .cshrc file you have to change it in.
E-mail me if you want to know how.

I can promise you that my reviews will be posted by next Saturday night or 
therabouts.  I've been really busy the past few weeks and havn't had a 
chance to write 'em yet, but I'll get to it!  Really.

					--MikE

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From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:50:38 GMT

bill henley, i commend you.
i did buy it, more out of curiosity than anything else,
and i was more disappointed than i expected to be.
the whole affair, particularly this culmination, was
handled extremely badly and in poor taste. but don't worry,
in zot's world, superman still exists, being strongly
driven by seigel and schuster.
you're right. that doen't help.
for a 'last superman story' that carries the feeling
that the current one sorely lacks, alan moore's tale
is wonderful.
russ fischer
st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:03:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


There was an extensive article on the "death" in the Cleveland
Plain Dealer for Sun., Nov. 15.  Today (Nov. 18, the official
release date of Superman #75) the event was mentioned several
times on the hourly news of the Cleveland news-talk radio
station I listen to (WWWE-AM) and the station also ran a
phone-in interview with a local comics dealer and "Superman
expert".

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: Re: DC: where Metropolis is
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:15:35 GMT

Metropolis was originally supposed to be Toronto, Canada.

Greg
From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:16:19 GMT

: >>I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
: >>comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
: >>small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. So far, I've
: >>thought of:

I seem to recall in a letter col of Jon Sable, Freelance that Mike Grell
was going to do a Jon Sable/Batman story.  I think this was sometime around '85.

Never heard of it again.

Later,
Phil
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"Stupid, Stupid rat creatures!!" -- Fone Bone                   Bone #2
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 11:50:24 EST
From: <IO20441@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bringing Superman back

I thank you for the complement on Supes resurrection theory. I Believe you
may be right, and my self as well. The very last issue of superman, before
it stops, has Waverider contemplating going back in time to save Superman,
but if they do it that way is as good of a guess as any. Plus if he does,
what will happen to DoomsDay. Makes you think Huh!
                               Sincerly,
                            The Black Bear From Hell
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Re: Million Year Picnic in Boston - Fire
Keywords: Fire
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:24:44 GMT

>In <By1Fnv.BxI@world.std.com> ivanski@world.std.com (Ivan M CaveroBelaunde) writes:
>>For all interested, last weekend there was a fire at the Million Year Picnic
>>in Cambridge. While most of their stock was destroyed (ouch - they had
>>some *seriously* valuable old stuff), they are still in business (dealing
>>with insurance adjusters and such).


>>MYP, IMHO, is the best comic store in the Boston area (some others like
>>Comicopia better, but MYP is still *excellent*).  They stocked mainstream
>>as well as pretty obscure independent stuff, had an excellent selection of
>>European comics and truly great stuff (the only place I've seen that
>>stocked the hardcover Carl Barks and MAD collections).  They would carry
>>stuff like the british B/W Moore Swamp Thing stuff, and promote and recommend
>>quality independent books *consistently*.  Stores like this
>>are few and far between, and I'd like to make sure it doesn't die because
>>of this.  If you live in the Boston area, please support them and let your
>>friends know.

In article <rawdon.722391270@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>I think that MYP went downhill after its move to its current location (in
>particular, its back issue selection seems to have gotten really poor, and I
>generally found the staff to be extremely impersonal), but I still stopped in
>now and then to look for stuff, especially graphic novels, and comic or strip
>collections.

This news is *really* bad.  I got back into comics in Spring 1983,
trying to avoid studying for freshman-year exams, when a friend took
me to the Picnic.  It *did* have what I considered a huge back-issue
collection then, and it just isn't as good now as it was then.  On the
other hand, the people who worked there then (and some now) were willing
to take some time and talk comics with customers, not just old
customers.  I must have been spoiled, because I haven't found a store
since which paid such attention to its customers.  When I go back to
Cambridge (maybe twice a year), I always stop by.  A few of the old
workers (such as Tony) still remember me and take time to talk.  I
hope they don't go out of business.  Believe me, a place like that is
one of the good ones.

Was anybody hurt?  I'll be sending a card up there tomorrow.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spider-Man.  The poor fellow is having problems
Date: 21 Nov 1992 21:55:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



I've been getting tired of the Spider titles myself.  I collect Amazing because
I like Bagley's work, and I think he's got a lot of talent, but I stopped 
getting Web and Spectacular a looong time ago, and I've recently stopped 
getting Spider-Man itself - right after the holo cover issue.  I think the 
problem is that everyone still thinks of it as McFarlane's book - which it is.
The whole reason why a fourth Spider title was added was to appease the TM 
crowd.  Now people have no reason to buy a fourth title, with no special artist
or any different kinds of stories.  If it were a non-continuity title with
differing artists and writers every issue, and perhaps some alternate future
tales, or even something like "Tales of Spider-Man" I might be mildly 
interested.


Mike C.  (Zen)
-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: "Last" Superman stories
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:28:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A couple of people responding to my original post on "I'm not
buying Superman #75" have pointed out that two previous "end of
Superman" type stories -- Jerry Siegel & Curt Swan's "Death of
Superman" Imaginary Story in SUPERMAN #149 (reprinted in GREATEST
SUPE STORIES EVER TOLD) and Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to
the Man of Tomorrow" in the last pre-Byrne issues of SUPERMAN
and ACTION-- are considered by many to be classics.  Now that
I think of it, I agree!  The Moore story is a favorite of mine,
and the Siegel is also touching and well done for its period.
So perhaps I overstated my case in suggesting that a "death of
Superman" story HAS to be a cheap exploitation.

Note, however, that in neither of those cases did DC try to
fool anyone into thinking that Supes was REALLY going to stay
dead; the Siegel story was a self-proclaimed "Imaginary Story"
and it was well known that the Moore story would be followed
by Byrne's restart of the Superman series.

The Old Comic Curmudgeon,
-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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