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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Sandman questions
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:26:47 GMT

cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>Who are all the people in the Sandman "Endless" poster? (I'm kinda new to all
>the characters.)  I can recognize Dream, Death, Destiny, Desire, and Despair.
>Is the punk girl at the bottom Deliriuor (Delight?) and who is the 
>bearded guy in the back by the painting?

She's Delerium (used to be Delight).  The bearded guy is Destruction,
the "missing" Endless.


>I also have a question about the comcic.  What is the purpose of Dreams helmet? 
>He was afraid to take it off in front of Lucifer (issue #23).  Does it prothim
>or is it just a badge of office?

Well, all indications and comments imply that it has power, but it's
never explicity stated what it is.  Perhaps it acts as armor in more
than just the physical sense.
-- 
Card-carrying Temporal Anomaly
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Subject: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!
From: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

I've noticed that there has been recent talks about how Wild C.A.T.S. by 
Jim Lee is the new X-Men. Sorry, but not even on his best day could Jim
Lee produce a comic that is close to the X-Men. No, I'm not talking about
the stuff that is printed in today's comics of X-Men and Uncanny X-Men. I'm
talking about the eras that put the X-Men on the map. I'm talking about
X-Men 1-30 (yes, the  ones that were put out in the late 60's); X-Men 55-65
(Neal Adams had his run in there; you want to see art, look at these); and
finally X-Men 94-210 (Chris Claremont did a majority of these and at this
time there was no better).

Now you might think that I'm one of the older crowd that reminisces about
the Kirby and Lee (Stan Lee that is) days, but actually, I'm not. I started
collecting comics just a few short years ago while in school. A friend of mine
showed me some of his X-Men (this was during the Fall of the Mutants). I
became interested and started looking around found some back issues and
was able to read the X-Men in their finest hours (Phoenix's birth, the
first Hellfire Club, Phoenix's death, Magneto's slide to the good side,
the Brood).

I guess what I'm trying to get to is that there is no way that Wild C.A.T.S.
or any other comic will appeal to me so much the way the X-Men had done to
me. This group of superheroes got me started in comics. I'm still collecting
them even though they've seen MUCH better days (old habits are hard to break).
Sure, I picked up Wild C.A.T.S; the art was nice, but it had no STORY. You
know, the stuff that the art is supposed to go with and enhance.

If you want nice pictures, pick up Wild C.A.T.S., but if you want nice
pictures and a decent story, look at the Neal Adams run of the X-Men; look
at the Claremont-Byrne run; and yes, look at the Claremont-Jim Lee run (I
never said I didn't like his art, plus his co-plotting revitalized the X-Men
briefly before Claremont left). Those were STORIES not pin-ups.
					Tony
From: phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Phaedrus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Atlanta 1996: Dream Olympics
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:42:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <mxr.713835313@neptune> mxr@neptune.dsc.com (Max "Thunder Snooze" Rible) writes:
>HIGH JUMP:
>"Dr. Bruce Banner, long known as the Incredible Hulk, has set a
>new record for the high jump.  This record will be announced as soon
>as the teams of scientists with laser interferometers and Doppler
>radar have determined precisely what this figure is."

     Oh, measuring the record would be no problem, since high jump records are
based only on the height of the bar, not the height of the jump over it.  The
problem would be building stanchions that would hold the bar up that high in
the first place.  (And then getting aircraft to stay clear of the area. :) )
     Now, the long jump would be a bit more difficult.  But I guess they could
just measure from the crater where he lands. :)
-- 
Internet: phaedrus@u.washington.edu        (University of Washington, Seattle)
 "If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs,
    consider an exciting career as a guillotine operator!"
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From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:34:19 GMT

In article <4eXIBaW00VpDQOm0oV@andrew.cmu.edu> dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Davi
 M. Pahnos) writes:
>>Who wants to have sex with Death, anyway?
>
>>Big Al.  Who has heard of some sick things in *my* time but...
>
>
>obviously, a necrophiliac
>
>sorry, i couldnt resist
>
>michael j pastor iii
>guest on davids account

No, a Necrophiliac wants to have sex with dead *people*,  I'm talking
about sex with Death itself.  I don't think that has a name.

Big Al.  Who is still kinda grossed out.

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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!<--YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:31:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Aug17.182926.12083@samba.oit.unc.edu> Steve.Zwanger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Zwanger) writes:
>Do you mean by their personalities? Obviously their powers are very 
>different. What about the rest of the wildcats -- who are their
>analogues?

Spartan reminds me of Cyclops.
Grifter  "	"  "  Gambit.
Warblade "	"  "  Wolverine
Zealot   "      "  "  Psylocke (she ninja from hell, not the psi powers)
Voodoo   "      "  "  Rogue (in the begining, when she wasn't so cocky)
Void     "      "  "  Jean Grey/Phoenix

Maul is a generic dumb brick.
"Lord Emp" is pretty original, but reminds me a bit of Vandervecken 
from Futurians (the origin especially).  I like the fact that he's
supposedly a great leader, but isn't really.  There's a bit of 
Pip the Troll in there too.
-- 
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Guardians (was Re: Marvel 2099)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:18:47 GMT

In article <Bt6806.BpA@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>
>>BTW, I haven't read Shadowhawk yet. It gets here tomorrow, hopefully.
>>It's reaaly that bad? I reaaly thought it might be the savior of the
>>Image titles. At least Valenteno can write. Now it looks like
>>WildC.A.T.S, may be their only hope. At least until Claremont's new
>>title is released.
>
>Who else will be doing the book with Claremont? 
>
Don't quote me on this but I believe it is Portacio (sp?). That's why
I'm looking forward to it. That run on x-Factor he did was great. The
story by Claremont and Lee and Portacio's art was one of the best of the
run. At least until PAD took over.

Got Shadowhawk (Fanboy's note: only ONE copy) and it was not impressive.
Art was worse than on Guardians (I though he could draw!) and the
writing was like McFarlene during his run on Spider-Man (You
are....Blah, blah, blah) I think I'll be giving #2 a miss. Can't afford
it anyway.


*************************************************************************
* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
************************************************************************


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From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Subject: Re: WildC.A.T.S
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:29:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.125347.20476@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
> The problem is that the creators either don't have or don't want an
> editor who will keep careful track of continuity and make the rest of
> them try and follow it. Instead they seem determined to try and do it
> themselves. The result, something that's going to make mutant continuity
> positively understandable within a year.
Whoa! I still think it's impossible to get a solid grasp on mutie continuity,
and I've been behind since X-Crap #143. We'll see if Image goes down the well
travelled path of Mahvel and DC, or blaze its own...
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: chaos@netcom.com (chaos)
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 10:46:06 GMT
Organization: tyrninog and the heisenberg vortex

> Big Al writes:
> Who wants to have sex with Death, anyway?

i can't think of a soul, actually.
perhaps someone with a death wish.

but i'm quite sure you'd have to have a date with Death, first.


chaos

we're just friends you know
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Requiem for AQUAMAN
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:04:13 GMT


So, they're starting the title over with number one, huh?
OF ALL THE DUMB, MORONIC, CRETINOUS--GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aquaman is a good solid title on its way to being a great one!
It is good not because it is ground breaking or revolutionary
but because it is realistic.  It is realistic
because it deals with its premise.  Aquaman isn't a normal
guy, he's a superhero.  The book deals with that and does
a good--nay, great job.  I'll buy the title.  PAD is one
of my favorite comic book writers and so I'd be a fool not to,
but I'm afraid that the current direction will be ignored,
and the current team deserves better!!!!!!!!!
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
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From: mkelly@twain.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: DC: Hellblazer/Swamp Thing query
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:06:37 GMT

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>I know somebody posted this earlier, but...
>he Hellblazer GN ends with Swamp Thing confronting John Constantine.
>In the intro, Delano says that the plot continues on in Swamp Thing.
>Which issue of Swamp Thing or Hellblazer should I read next?

Tefe is conceived in Swamp Thing 76, when Swampy is in possession of 
JC's body. Swampy also has a tattoo of a conifer placed on John's
rear end, which does show up later in Hellblazer.

Here's Shannon D. Appel's list of JC appearances (it is a few months
out of date.)

Books of Magic: #1-4
Hellblazer: #1-47, Annual #1
Sandman: #3
Swamp Thing: #37-40,44-51,65-67,70-77,84,88-90,99,114-115

>Thanks.

You're welcome.



--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Season of Mists TPB
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.122843.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>I finally got to read "Season of Mists," thank god for trade paperbacks, eh?

For those who have only the comics, I have verified that several panels were
indeed recolored for clarity.  There is significantly more blood on a few
pages.  And that bottle of wine is now colored a green.  There are a few other
changes here and there too.
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From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman)
Subject: Re: A Murder of Crows (and more ...)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:31:44 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug13.133829.18194@cs.wisc.edu> faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber) writes:
] In <1992Aug12.221526.16588@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
] 
] >In article <1992Aug12.145948.12680@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
[...lots of collective nouns...]
] 
] 	I always thought that a pride of feminists was an interesting
] 	prospective collective noun...

    My own favorite (from Neil Gaiman, no less!): A wunch of bankers.

                                           -- Bill K.

Bill Kaufman,          | "...all conscious species are plastic and
Corporate Lackey       |  all plastic species are conscious."
wkaufman@us.oracle.com |                     -- Yew-Kwang Ng
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From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Mike Jittlov (was Re: Worst Comic Books of All Time)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:35:20 GMT
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In article <jittlov.713694687@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
] tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
] 
] >In article <jittlov.713604864@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
] >>I'm basically a story-teller and gift-giver.  I use film (and soon, video)
] >>to communicate and give what I've discovered.  So does every fifth person
] 
] >Hmm, does this or doesn't this violate the r.a.c. rule of creative
] >people in the group?

    (Damn, tyg beat me to it,...)

[...The Rule, deleted,...]
] 
] Still trying to figure out the above.  
] If I'm a (drawing) artist, do I Go to r.a.c.-Jail?

    No, it's not a restriction on the poster, but a fact of the Net
itself.  It forces a Crisis in which every net.person gets their history
rewritten, complete with interlocking crossovers, multiple covers and
collectibles.

[...drawing credits, including ]
] I also have this sig.

    Yes, but at least none of this was done for comics--that's the
important thing.  I mean, Peter David's probably done some drawing (even
if it wasn't professionally, like you), but the Net still holds.

    (Whew, that was close!  I was afraid I'd be replaced, or turn out to
be Mike Kelley's granddaughter or some such,...)

                                           -- Bill K.

Bill Kaufman,          | "Hush my darling / Be still my darling /
Corporate Lackey       |  The lion's on the phone,..."
wkaufman@us.oracle.com |              -- "The Guitar", They Might Be Giants
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:46:04 GMT

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>Unsubstantiated Con rumor #2: Crowd control broke down at a Liefield 
>signing, and the Malibu table got mobbed. Liefield jumped up on the table 
>and said some things designed to start a riot. It didn't work. Source: Mike 
>Dringenberg again.

Rumor #3, from a friend who saw it:

Liefield attempted to buy something at a booth with a "NO CHECKS"
sign, and tried to pay for it with a check, of course.  "Sorry, we
don't take checks."  Whereupon Leifield goes into his "Do you know who
I AM?" routine.  "Look, I don't care WHO you are, no checks."  "I have
more money that you'll ever DREAM of having!" etc. etc. etc. and quite
a tantrum.  All quotes are paraphrases, of course.  No sale.  It'd be
interesting to know whether the guy at the booth really knew who he
was and wanted to piss him off.
-- 
I fell asleep reading a dull book, and I dreamt that I was reading on,
so I woke up from sheer boredom.
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Spidey 2099
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:58:26 GMT

(Elisabeth Riba) writes:

*stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:
*> BTW, this guy is no relation to Peter Parker.. and Aunt May will
*> not still be alive.

*Although there's nothing to prevent this guy from having his own Aunt May...

 And with Peter David writing it... I wouldn't be at all surprised.

 --
 Michael                      
 stailey@comm.mot.com
From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MIKE JITTLOV (WAS RE: WORST COMIC BOOK
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:32:31 GMT


 > tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

 > >Hmm, does this or doesn't this violate the r.a.c. rule of creative
 > >people in the group? To summarize, so far anyone whose name is the 
 > >same as a writer actually is that writer, while anyone whose name is 
 > >that of an artist (in the drawing sense) even if they also do writing is 
 > >actually not the artist. Now, Mike certainly qualifies as a writer, but   
 > >does video/film work cause him to be the first exception to the artist 
 > >qualifier?

 > Still trying to figure out the above.  
 > If I'm a (drawing) artist, do I Go to r.a.c.-Jail?

 ...Mike, as long as I've been on Usenet, there's never been a "rule" about
not being able to use a famous name for an account ID if that's not your
real name. The same also goes for rac.soon.to.be.toast by itself. 

...however, I suggest that Tommie might have been performing his usual trick
of the "joke as veiled threat", which means that he was probably joking about
a rule, but if you're not a "real" creative person you should change stop 
going by the name of that person.
                                                   
...to be honest, I wouldn't worry about it. Just ignore Tom's PMSings and
contribute to rac as you see fit.

Oh, and while it might be a bit late, welcome to rac!

                                                                OM
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From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Subject: Re: Missing cupons...
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler) writes...

>In Valiants case i dont think that cutting out the insert cupons should
>damage the value past say 50%...

I believe you are sorely mistaken.  Just because the coupon pages are not
a part of the story doesn't mean that it's OK to cut them out.  Otherwise
my copy of Astonishing Tales 25 with the Marvel value stamp cut out would
be worth $35., and I would sell it for that.  Grading conventions clearly
state that if the book has substantial parts missing, it is in "fair" condition,
not "fine," as you are arguing.

If anybody has reliable information to the contrary, ie. has seen coupon-less
books sold for higher than the "fair" price to knowing customers, please post
it.  I am stuck with two collections of coupon-less books, and I have given
them up for worthless.

>with the harbingers i belive that the cut issues will be much more sough after
>when the cupon deadline has passed for good... just look at magnus #0 compaired
>to the comics with cupons.... 

I don't see your point.  Please elaborate.

>(no flames please but i would love to buy or trade for any cupon missing 
>valiants...)

I have 2 Magnus sets, e-mail me, and I'd be happy to sell for 50% of guide.

						-- John Schutkeker
From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: LYNCHING, ANYONE?
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:21:42 GMT

...And, to make damn sure that tradition is not defied in any sort of way:

Tom, I still have that bat. Spike and all.

Wanna see?

                                                                OM
From: lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: god sorry
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:57:22 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

god you think after all those personal flames i would have remembered....
sorry about the wolverine message....
-morgan
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: A Murder of Crows (and more ...)
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:15:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.145948.12680@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
>
>A slime of lawyers?
>A gas of politicians?

Hmmm, a group of foxes is known as a skulk and a group of ferrets is known
as a business (I think). Those fit in well with these.
--
  Lance "On Vacation" Smith    | "Upon the corner of the plate
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)        |  There hangs a curve ball to be hit;
  More replica World Series    |  I'll smote it ere it reach the mitt."
  rings than David Thornley    |          "The Scottish Player," III. v. 23
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 titles (Jester)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:46:03 GMT

I finally saw a picture of Ravage myself...gods but he's a Twilley clone!  Can 
Stan be no more creative than this nowadays?  I guess Stan was just lucky to be
around when most of the good ideas were still out there waiting for anyone who 
could pluck them.  He doesn't seem up to the task of finding a new idea now 
that they have almost all been used. }-\
     Dave Van Domelen, a bit disillusioned right now, but will be alright once 
my Beanworld back issues arrive