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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Random musings...
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92106.180756EAO102
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <1992Apr15.201630.15375@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) says:
>
>Thoughts on the whole thing...
>
>1) Does anyone have a copy of the SW Holiday special from 1978?
>(First appearance of Boba Fett, Life Day)

If anyone does, I'd like to see this, too...

>2) Anyone have a release date for Dark Empire #3?
 It should be out either this coming Friday or next Friday.
.
>3) I have it on pretty good authority that the return of Palpatine
>in DE#2 wasn't the only return we'll be seeing. A certain
>Mandalorian...

I've heard it was Boba Fett...it would be kind of corny for it to be him,
but only because he's not really all that significant like the Emperor is,
even if he is the coolest bad guy in all the movies.

>4) One month 'till the next Zahn novel. Ideas on the identity of
>the spy? Fel'lya? Winter?

The novel has been pushed back to June....and I pre-paid for it at my local
comics store, too.....=(

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From: ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (alice in wonderland)
Subject: Re: Keeping up with the Lars'
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.195031.2770@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rzimeri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rich P Zimering) writes:
|In article <1992Apr16.041847.23213@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (
|ronald reagan) writes:
|>Before this newsgroup began there was some debate on rec.arts.sf.movies as to
|>how "Uncle" Owen and "Aunt" Beru were related to Luke...I don't know if this
|>was suggested or not, but, it seems entirely likely that Beru could've been
|>Annakin's sister...So, then she gets married to this Owen Lars loser and
|>changes her surname (remember, this IS a long time ago!)...
|>
|>--
|>
|>
|>ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu                            andy
|>
|
|Its interesting how easily you accept the idea that the woman drops her name 
|when she gets married.  For all you know, in this galaxy far far away, they 
|pick new names.  Americans expect people everywhere to be just like them, and 
|it is well to remind them that this is an untrue fact.

I did think about the ethnocentricity of that comment before I posted, but then
I said "froget it" when you look at Star Wars as a whole - it is a VERY
ethnocentric movie...1)  Assumes humans exist (granted aliens are present, but
most of 'em have two arms and legs)...2)  Laws of physics just happen to be
exactly the same as earth...3)  Look at Aunt Beru's clothes - straight out of
a Kmart in the 70's....4)  English slang is used in the movie...

I could go on...The point is I don't think George Lucas thought too much about
ethnocentric aspects of the story before filming it...

--


ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu						andy

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From: davies@owlnet.rice.edu (Stephen Clark Davies)
Subject: Re: Idea of the Force (was Re: I'll get you, Luke..) 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.233510.24368@athena.mit.edu> pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:
>BTW I've read some comments that "the force" was derived from the "mystic"
>oriental philosophy and religion. Anybody wants to confirm this, or wants
>to disprove it?"
>
	Yick!  I don't know what nationality you are, but I'm pretty fond of
Chinese culture, and "the mystic oriental philosophy and religion" sounds like
a pretty egocentric phrase!  :-)  Imagine someone describing a prominent
religion in the U.S. as "the mystic american philosophy and religion!"

	Seriously, though, I believe that Lucas' ideas are based on
Philosophical Taoism, a prominent (but by no means the only) Chinese belief
system during the Qing dynasty.  I've even heard that Lucas himself is a
Taoist.  No proof, though.  The philosophy of the movie ("let go of your
feelings", "anger, aggression, these lead to the dark side", etc.) does jive
with these beliefs, though.

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From: v128juxa@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Schuyjuannah)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Anyone for Fiction?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:50:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY@Buffalo
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In article <1992Apr15.230323.20538@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes...
>     How would everyone feel about fiction on the newsgroup?
>     I'm not talking necessarily about me writing some, just
>     in general.

Yea, that would sound good, but then we would have to create an 
alt.starwars.creative newsgroup, wouldn't we?
From: frankm@shadow.CNA.TEK.COM (Frank 'Scruff' Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Comix
Keywords: comics
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:47:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.2753
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Are the original set of comic books worth anything .... as a kid
I bought the first ten and then tucked them away.

Frank
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From: marotz@IMD.Sterling.COM (Chris Marotz)
Subject: Soundtracks to Star Wars Movies on CD?
Reply-To: marotz@IMD.Sterling.COM
Organization: Sterling Software
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:43:04 GMT
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Finally there is a newsgroup devoted to my favorite movies!

Anyway, I was looking for the soundtracks for all of the Star Wars
movies on CD. I mean the _original_ recordings, not a newer version
played by another orchestra.

I have the CD for The Empire Strikes Back, but am looking for the
CD's for Star Wars and Return of the Jedi. Does anybody know
where I can find these? I don't want to have to make a tape off of
my old records!

Thank you in advance.
Replay via e-mail or to this group.

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From: sfd@bezier.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:02:10 GMT
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In-reply-to: u9050728@cs.uow.edu.au's message of 16 Apr 92 12:01:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.120145.11632@cs.uow.edu.au> u9050728@cs.uow.edu.au (Shane Kelvin Richards) writes:
	   I heard that he was actually working as a carpenter at the time,
   either hired by the studio's  or george himself and when they were doing a 
   run through of the script (just speaking the parts) for some reason whoever
   was going to be doing the han solo part didn't turn up, and they needed a
   stand-in, so they asked the carpenter (ford) to read it. George Lucas liked
   his reading so much that he finally got the part...

Is this a joke?  No offense, it's just that that *is* the story of how
Frank Silva (I think) got the part of Killer Bob on Twin Peaks.  But, we
know HF was an actual actor, who had been in a Lucas movie, so I doubt that
George just "stumbled" onto him.

Scott
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From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.162752.29173@news.nd.edu> jshiely@twain.helios.nd.edu (james shiely) writes:
>The mor especific answer to "Who wasn't at his post?" is "TK-421", which I gather is the numerical name of the stormtrooper who should have been gurading the Falcon (a la THX-1138).  However, can anyone remember the significance of the following number-letter combinations in STAR WARS.
>
>	AA-23

Princess Leia's Cell Block

>	xp-38

>	3263827

Trash Compactor number

>	94

Docking Bay to meet Han in Mos Eisley

>	PT-16
>	2637
>	1-5-7 and 9
>	

					Mike Fan
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From: jburnes@swbatl.sbc.com (Jim Burnes - 235-7444)
Subject: test
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:01:06 GMT


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From: icss0035@cs.montana.edu (Greg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:16:07 GMT
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717

SW was written by Lucas with the help of a gentleman named Joseph Campbell.     Campbell (who is now dead) studied myths from around the world, and attempted   to generalize them.  He did, into something he calls the "Monomyth."  According to Campbell all myths, maybe even all stories, share similar traits.  Campbell  has published a large number of books on the subject, and he has even done a    PBS mini-series with Bill Moyers(sp?) on the subject.  Campbell frequently uses SW as an example because it is 




a story that is readily available to the public.
  Now how this relates to the origin of the Star Wars story.  The details of    the story may have come from several sources, but the form is almost directly   taken from Campbell's monomyth.  This stems from the fact that Campbell and     Lucas were freinds, and Campbell helped Lucas write SW.
  Right after I read several of Campbell's books I sat down to watch SW again   and traces of the monomyth were easy to spot.  If you believe the monomyth      theory, then Star Wars is certainly taken from other movies and stories.  In    fact the story would then be stolen from every story ever told :)
           -- Greg  
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From: magnus@athena.mit.edu (Daniel R Risacher)
Subject: Re: Missing Scene in Star Wars
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.162108.12717@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v106lr4h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric T Sasse) writes:
[STUFF DELETED]

|>    How about that scene from Star Wars where Jabba the Hutt shows up at the 
|> dock where the falcon is and tries to get his money from Han, btw, Jabba in 
|> this scene is a HUMAN, kind of a fat one too! I've seen it twice ever in my
|> life, and can't remember where. 
|> 
|>                                                           -Eric

According to one of the "Making of Star Wars" thingies, which included
an interview with Lukas, this scene was never actually filmed, although
the "making of" did show the story-board drawings.  Maybe this is what
you were thinking of.

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From: dgaxiola@athena.mit.edu (David G Gaxiola)
Subject: Re: Help on DeathStar Issue
Keywords: My friend is a moron.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:40:20 GMT

In article <74308@netnews.upenn.edu>, simmonsb@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Dazed and Confused) writes:
|> Me and my friend have a little dispute going, We watched 'return' the other
|> night for about the hundrendth in my life and we came up with this argument:
|> He says: The Deathstar the is being worked on in 'return' was from the first
|> movie b/c the whole thing was not destroyed in Star Wars!!!
|> I say: No way, the first deathstar was completely blown to pieces and 'return's
|> deathstar was a completely new one.
|> 
|> What do you guys think?

I know of no reason why this might be the reminants of the original rebuilt. 
The DeathStar in SW was clearly annihilated at the end, from visual evidence
alone nothing more than a few bits of a frame and miscellaneous debre could've
survived.  Certainly not much worth using as a starting point from the original.
Just what makes your friend think this???


|> 
|> PS What was everyone's favorite sw toy? Mine was definitely the Falcon.
|>    What was the cheesiest sw toy?   W/O a doubt the Imperial Destroyer.

I'd have to say it's a three way tie between the Falcon, the DeathStar Playset,
and the Jawa Robot Factory (if for no other reason than R2D2 could actually
have that third leg the regular versions were always missing!). Actually, I 
enjoyed most of the SW toys Kenner made back when they were big.

As far as cheesiest goes, I have this cheap Sears/Kenner thing which was
basically supposed to be a mock up of the Rebels' Hoth Base, but was nothing
more than white plastic and two swivel stands with a cardboard picture backing. 
It was good as a setting for "real" toys, but not much else.


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From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Re: Antilles
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:49:32 GMT

davies@owlnet.rice.edu (Stephen Clark Davies) writes:

>... one thing I *do* want to know is: in the beginning of SW, does
>Threepio know who Princess Leia is OR NOT?!?  One of his first lines of
>the movie is: "There'll be no escape for the princess this time."  But
>then, in the scene you mention, he appears to only have the slightest
>clue who she might be!  "I believe she was a passenger on our last
>voyage...a person of some importance if I recall."  Inconsistent! :-)

Threepio is not being inconsistent, just discreet.  Threepio knew
perfectly well who the Princess is -- being a protocol droid, he (and
other similar droids) was probably used extensively to assist in the
Princess's diplomatic missions.  But Threepio has no idea who *Luke* is
at the time of that scene.  So rather than go around blurting to a total
stranger that a Princess of Alderaan was just overtaken and captured by
the Empire, he downplays her presence.  After all, if Random_Farmboy
(Luke) learns that (1) the Empire just sent an SD to capture (2) a
Princess of Alderaan who was the owner of (3) two droids who (4) escaped
from said ship, presumably to avoid capture, then Random_Farmboy might
consider that (5) returning said two droids to said Empire might result
in (6) a nice, juicy reward.  (Later on, in the Death Star, when Artoo
discovers the Princess's location, Threepio explains who she is to Han
and Luke -- but Luke already partially knows, since he was with Obi-Wan
when Artoo replayed Leia's holo-message.)

Here's some food for thought: what use could a droid like Threepio have,
other than to assist in humanoid diplomacy?  He's too slow and clumsy to
be any good in combat or for manual labor, he doesn't fit into the back
of an X-wing like an R2 unit, he doesn't have any cool fire extinguisher
sprays or information-socket-plugging arms or periscopes or
Ewok-net-cutting rotary saws in his shell, and he can't carry drinks or
throw a lightsaber worth a darn.  :-)  He must be REALLY good at
translating languages.  (Just look at how persuasive he was with the
Ewoks.)

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Jason L Braddy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:37:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Apr15.183735
Reply-To: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Jason L Braddy)
Organization: Iowa State University

I read somewhere that they had ordered *lots* of Stormtrooper costumes, so
either they're opening up some kind of theme park or else another film is in the
works.

Jason Braddy
jlbraddy@iastate.edu
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From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: Re: Bloopers (Frozen Solo)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:23:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.142411.3948@iscsvax.uni.edu> moore7004@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>A continuity gaffe that I've long agonized over:
>
>Han Solo gets his hands tied behind his back, lowered into a pit, and they pour
>carbonite over him.  Come to think of it, they didn't tie his hands, they used
>binders for god's sake.  Binders.  And yet, when they pull the Swanson Frozen
>Solo out of the oven, his hands are up near his chest, like he's trying to push
>his way through the carbonite.
>
>Now then.  Many people have suggested many silly things to me, such as, "The
>carbonite ate through the binders."  Not.  If it can eat through binders, it
>can eat through skin, and so it ain't much use at all.  Others have suggested
>that maybe a stormtrooper removed the binders just before they put him in.  Did
>they?  Did I miss this?  Am I stupid as well as insane?  Probably, but anyway,
>what's the scoop?

Watch more closely.  When Han is set into the freezing pit and ugnaughts
are scuttling everywhere, one of the ugnaughts removes Han's binders.
(Perhaps it was so he wouldn't hurt/damage himself when the freezing
process began -- I don't really know why.)

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:07:57 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
	<1992Apr15.235511.27678@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

I read in the Boston Globe this past summer (Harrison Ford interview)
that Harrison Ford said he would do another Indy movie if a good enough
script came along, but would refuse any future Han Solo roles.

--Michael Cote
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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Re: Jedi editing errors
Keywords: So WHAT !!!!! 
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:13:53 GMT

In article <92107.005802MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I was wondering if anybody noticed some of the many editing errors in Jedi. For
>instance, in Jabba's palace there's a shot of Boba Fett, but his helmet antenna
>is on the wrong side. Apparently for they flipped the film to preserve the
>continuity of him looking in the right direction.
>Also, there's a bunch of scenes in the emporer's throne room where if you look
>closely you can see the same starfield being used over and over. A typical
>scene has a shot of the emporer with a distinguishable star pattern slowly
>moving to the right. After a cut to a different shot, the shot back on the
>emporer again shows the same star pattern as it was before they had left the
>screen. I know the Death Star doesn't revolve around that fast! :-) In other
>words, each time they had a new shot of somebody with stars in the background,
>they always started off in the same position.
>
>--Brian 

In MY opinion, this *OBVIOUS* error spoiled not only the whole film, but in
fact the entire trilogy !! I'll never watch another Star Wars film, not in
the next 12 parsecs anyway ...

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"It's worse."
From: bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: does anyone remember a star wars based novel ...
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:35:34 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92107.145443U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>, John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.
edu> writes:

> ... that came out soon after the movie. All I remember is that it had Luke
> and Leia hacking through a jungle planet. I don't even remember who wrote
> the book. The plot didn't mesh very nicely with the subsequent movies. I
> seem to remember them coming across various abandoned temples and shrines.
> 
> Well, is this vague enough?!? Any clues anyone?

_Splinter of the Mind's Eye_ by Alan Dean Foster.  Luke, Leia, and the droids
were on a mission to recruit a new band of rebels into the Alliance.  Forced to
make an emergency landing on the planet of Mimban, they learn of the mystical
Kaiburr crystal, a gem which amplifies one's powers with the Force to vast
levels.  Unfortunately, so does Vader.  Thus, there is a race to see who can
get to the crystal first, ending in a conflict that practically invalidates both
The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.  No, it doesn't fit well with
the main story, but it is interesting reading.  The Kaiburr crystal was
actually in one of George Lucas' first drafts of Star Wars.

-- 
Bruce Crawford
bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
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From: rim@cs.columbia.edu (Howard Rim)
Subject: Re: Idea of the Force (was Re: I'll get you, Luke..) 
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:53:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.233510.24368@athena.mit.edu> pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:
>BTW I've read some comments that "the force" was derived from the "mystic"
>oriental philosophy and religion. Anybody wants to confirm this, or wants
>to disprove it?"
>
>Patrick
>
Probably since Star Wars is a remake of a Kurosawa(sp?) film 
 the Hidden Fortress(?).

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:55:17 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cut-scene 2

On the video, "From Star Wars to Jedi:  The Making of a Saga," which was
once a TV special I believe, they show the cut scene.  The scene
features Han encountering several of Jabba's goons and Jabba himself
(who is played by a rather rotund human).  Lucas states that they had
originally filmed the scene with the intention of matting in a stop
motion creature.  How about the scenes with Biggs (on Tattoine, at
Anchorhead)?  Has anyone seen these?

--Michael Cote

"You are in command now, ADMIRAL Piett."
   --Vader