From: btd@iastate.edu (Benjamin T Dehner)
Subject: Re: IAState team borgs way to victory! Film at 11...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:15:49 GMT

In <1a7q8sINN3dk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.141245@IASTATE.EDU> isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)  
>writes:
>>Guys, be wary next time you play JOA, they undoubtly will spend most time of
>>the game accusing you are using a borg.

>Here are the hard facts:

>We played Angry Men with almost an identical team. They played all their  
>starters. I think it's well agreed that the Angry Men are by far a more clue-
>ful team than ISU. (Does anyone care to dispute? Especially considering their  
>record of last year?) JOA had a 1.14 (465/409) ratio against AM. Against
>ISU, we had a .74 ratio (623/463). We played our usual # kills/game, and they  
>played on a par with TTWNN, Side Salad, and others. This is *not* the same team
>that lost to a team who used only scouts.

	No, is wasn't.  Keep in mind that we are a new team; as we learn to
work together, we will get better.  Not that we will take on Angry Men some-
time soon, but we will at least not get demolished by scouts again.

>Several members of our team saw the base phasering in one direction while  
>shooting torps in another. (During one of the two base on bases, he phasered
>oggers coming from all sides (the phasers NEVER turned off), while lobbing  
>torps at myself.) In another case I saw a player dodging while phasering and  
>torping. By that I mean, torps being fired as turns are being made--very  
>borgish looking. In another case, I passed an enemy cruiser at a fair distance,  
>both of us traveling at warp 9. I set down a spread, 3 hit, the first 6 of his  
>spread hit me, and the next 2 were exactly where I would have been if I  
>continued at warp 9 (and not died). I've seen players like Spaceace, Yea Boy!!!  
>and others who can put down a fair spread at relative velocities of warp 18,  
>but nothing like what I saw last night.

	First question: how much lag did you have (if any)? It seems to me
a small bit of lag could account for you seeing something like that.  Two,
we do have some good players on our team.  I remember exodus catching a lot
of flack for the 'GA scumming on tbird' stuff, but he is still a very good
player.  (Hell, I thought GA scumming was fun too:)  Third, we were on our 
local server, so we had no lag whatsoever to deal with, which helped us shoot 
more accurately.

>In any event, play like that is something I'd expect from the CMU teams (seeing  
>Balton, for example, phaser in one direction while torping another is not  
>uncommon. :-) ), but definitely not from a team rumored to be the worst in the  
>INL.

	Don't believe everything you here.  One problem was probably that
when tbird first came up, there were a lot of ISU players who had never even
seen netrek before and started playing there, and so ISU got it's reputation
for cluelessness.  And while the playing has improved since then, the repu-
tation hasn't, since there are more clued servers such as rwd4 that the the
good players go to anyway, it was dificult to get rid of the bad rep.

>I apologize if you weren't using borgs. If you truly weren't, your team  
>definitely was not the same one playing against the scouts, and ISU will be a  
>force to be reckoned with this year.

>Thanks for the game, and I again apologize for my frustration and poor  
>sportsmanship (IF you weren't using borgs).

	Hey, I had a ratio of .7 something at the end of the game.  Pretty
useless borg, if you ask me.  (Course, I did have shitloads of armies :)

>-Mike Neuman (Guru)  Captain: Janitors of Anarchy
>mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu

Ben
Cthulhu

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Benjamin T. Dehner    Dept. of Physics and Astronomy 
btd@iastate.edu       Iowa State University 
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