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Subject: Re: pages won't print
From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, CSC, Uni. of Canterbury, NZ)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:53:06 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <WPCORP-L%92082714463306@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>,
0084P@NAVPGS.BITNET (Larry) writes:
> We've got a file here where pages 3 and 5, of a total of 12 pages in
> the file, won't print or show in view doc. In view doc, the 2 pages
> show as blank. In print, the printout goes directly from two to four to
> six and seven and so on (no blank pages printed). Same results on
> different PCs, different printers (HP, PScript, dot matrix). Adjusting
> the file, so that somewhat different material appears on the page
> (reducing line spacing, for example) doesn't change things. Deleting
> the material on the page in question, saving it as DOS text, and bring-
> ing it back in, doesn't help. One of the pages has a table on it, one
> doesn't. Other pages, that do print, have tables. Styles are used
> throughout the paper. WPerf help had no advice to offer; they wanted a
> copy of the file. Tried WPMD2, although you can move freely through the
> trouble area, editing normally, unlike problems I've seen that are
> helped by WPMD2. WPMD2 didn't help this problem, or find any trouble
> spots. Any help? Thanks for your attention!

I've seen a quite similar thing three times.  You say that changing
printers didn't help, but did you actually save the document with other
than the printer driver selected that originally caused the problem?  If
not, try changing to a different driver then save the document; exit the
doc; retrieve the doc; reselect the "correct" printer driver and try
printing again.

If this works, I think it's because WP saves some info from the driver
in the document header.  When it comes to print, instead of reading all
printer info from the driver, it grabs this info from the doc header. 
If this gets corrupted, screwy things happen come printing time.  You
have to overwrite the offending garbage in the doc header to fix things,
hence the advice above (though why changing the driver info "in memory",
by selecting another and then back, doesn't work I'm not sure!).  WPMD2
probably cannot be made to detect this kind of corruption and I've not
had the foresight to save the files I've seen where I syuspect something
like this had occurred.

The doc's I've seen where the above fixed things either printed a line
of garbage on the first page and no more (one), or only printed part way
through then stopped (two) - I've not seen a doc which only skipped
certain pages.

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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: "Error: Access Denied" message in WP
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:35:31 GMT

Today, while trying to save a previously saved file, when I tried to
write over the file WP responded with, "Error: Access Denied."  Upon
checking the directory, the file in question was now listed as
"FILE.BK!" when previously it was only "FILE."  "FILE." no longer is
to be found on the disk (a floppy, btw) and trying to save "FILE"
again gets me the same error.  It seems to have changed the file into
a backup file but still recognizes the file name without the backup extension.

The only way around this is to delete the file while it is in memory
and resaving.

This only happens with this one diskette.  Formatting a new one and
copying all files over did nothing to solve things.  Is it possible
that the files in question are just corrupted?

Thanks.
--
Michael Rosen						"Beer - It does
Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 a body good."
mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu
Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
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From:         Michael Walters <MWALTERS@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      WP Windows printing problems
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I understand from my networking people that WordPerfect for Windows
experiences problems when printing to a network printer.  Could
anyone fill me in if this has been fixed or if it still is a problem?

Thanks.
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From:         Gabriela Barrantes <EBARRANT@UCRVM2.BITNET>

I am a system analyst from Costa Rica, and I have a question. What do you know
about the computer emf radiation and pregnancy? I have two children and they
had several, very similar, health problems after they were born. I can't assure
that the problem was my continual exposure to the computers, but I want to
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From:         JOHN@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Shorts and the Law
X-To:         Kevin@LEMOORE.ATI.COM, EDPOLYAN@ASUACAD.BITNET

Dear  Kevin Kurtz

    The only thing that I know about shorts and the law, having
    spent most my life in law schools, and other graduate schools,
    is that shorts only seem to affect the "professionalism" of
    a school when they are worn too tight.




> Kevin@lemoore.ati.com
>
                                   John DeGolyer
                                   John@law.ucla.edu
                                   310-825-9461
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From:         Snow Leopard <TH05324@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Submerging

Sooner or later, people wise up; isn't that what they say?

I'm taking a cold, hard look at which mailing lists I need the most and
this isn't one of them. I simply cannot afford the time nor the energy.

Have fun, all.
-Traci
th05324@swtexas.bitnet
th06@swtexas.bitnet
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      Some of us seniors thought we got pretty good elementary educa-
tions in "multi-grade" schools in rural areas of the mid-West.  They
were good because the instruction was individualized.  We didn't
suffer from the effects of mass education methods even though we
had outdoor privys, space heaters, poorly trained teachers, and an
hopelessly narrow curriculum.  Harold Mitzel (hm3@psuvm)
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  orientation toward their future as a reult of receiving career
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  In light of the multiple objectives in the 1990 Perkins Act, there is
  a growing need for resources for practitioners seeking to integrate
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From:         RUD@WCUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      ed leadership career paths

I am aware of several universities that educate for the doctoral degree in
ed leadership by cohort in residence, rather than after work or on the
weekends as is common practice.  I recently talked to a colleague who
criticized the cohort idea because it discriminates against women and
particularly single mothers.  In addition, she thought that the people who
would be able to give up jobs to live like a grad student and study full
time would not be the folks with the high paying jobs in a district, for
who could afford to give up such a position for a grad stipend.
Furthermore, my skeptical interlocutor mused that these folks would never
rise to the top positions in districts (superintendent, asst super).  At
that point, the conversation changed, and I did not have a chance to follow
up on this last point.

What do others on the list think of these issues?  There are undoubtedly
some good historical angles to these issues, and some other ideas or ways
of looking at them.  I was initially disposed toward residential cohorts,
for group cohesion, lessening of distractions, possibly more
scholarly...and it was the way I experienced grad school.

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From:         Snow Leopard <TH05324@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      ATTN: List Administrator

Famous last words, no?

Apparently I can't go nomail from contacting the listserv. I think it
is seeing me as SWTexas, not SWTNyssa. Please unsubscribe me, th05324@
swtnyssa. I would urge you to do it soon, as well, because I don't know
if this acccount is going to be active in a week. If it isn't, everyone
on the list is going to get undeliverable message bounces.

-Traci
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Subject: Support NLS funding
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:29:22 GMT

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From:         virginia <NORDIN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shorts and the Law
              22 Aug 1992 09:34:54 EDT from <CPD247@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Bill--I changed my e-mail address  last  spring which was a great mistake becau
se it  has taken me off all  my prior lists including daily report, and more im
portantly, COE.  If you can help get me back on I'd appreciate it.  I am now NO
RDIN@ukcc.uky.edu.  Thanks, Virginia
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From:         Jim Morrison <JLM@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Environmental Scanning Newsletter

The program in Educational Leadership at the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill has announced publication of an
environmental scanning newsletter for higher education, On the
Horizon.  The newsletter alerts readers to driving forces and
potential developments in the macroenvironment that constitute
threats or opportunities to colleges and universities.  For
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From:         Rick Peek <ATMRP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Technology, interest, and reality

Just got back from vacation to North Dakota and elsewhere. Went to the school I
 worked at a few years ago. Back then, the business teacher bitched at me in se
veral teacher meetings about sending him kids who used the 'hunt and peck' meth
od of typing. He maintained that this caused him endless problems 'unteaching'
this bad habit and reteaching correct typing methods. His only concern was to h
ave students progress through the manual, learning the keyboard, typing jibberi
sh as fast as they could. For me, I was interested in helping kids learn to rea
d and write better. The computer was something they enjoyed using. It was a too
l that facilitated editing in all its forms. We used graphics to help the reade
r understand our text. I instituted keyboarding at the second grade level and b
egan asking at teacher meetings why we needed a typing teacher when our kids al
ready knew how to type in elementary school. I visited with all 'my' teachers t
his summer as they worked on a curriculum project. We spoke of interactive vide
o with vhs and hypercard technology. They have been using MacRecorder and cartr
idge hard drives in native language instruction for some time. My point is this
. Keyboards, hard drives, 'bells and whistles' are tools that help us do things
. They should not become the focus of instruction in and of themselves. Kids an
d the teachers I know learn to employ technology when they see an  advantage to
 its use or when they are having fun. The best education comes about when both
conditions are present. rp


Rick Peek
Arizona State University
ATMRP@ASUACAD.BITNET
(602) 921-2950
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From:         JOHN@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Academic Support

        I am trying to find, information regarding assessment
    of academic support programs at the undergraduate, or
    of greater interest the graduate level.

        I would like to discover the predominant methodology
    for conducting such a study and see if there is conclusive data
    which indicates long term or short term improvements in GPA.

        We conduct a summer academic support program to jump-start
    students who might need help.  And also conduct individual
    tutorials and special classes during the academic year.  We
    are trying to discover the impact of various programs and
    would like to review the literature in this area.

                              Thank you
                                   John DeGolyer
                                   John@law.ucla.edu
                                   310-825-9461
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From:         INTENTBD@UTOROISE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Shorts and the Law

This is not exactly research, as Kevin Kurtz requested, but an
observation. From a visit to Australia in July 1990, I'd have to say that
if teachers in shorts adversely affects the professionalism of a school,
the whole Australian system is in trouble. And July is their winter.
That is a longwinded way of asking, Is this really an issue?
Brian Durell
University of Toronto
intentbd@utoroise
(No shorts in _our_ winters!
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From:         William Hunter <hunter@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      Creative writers sought
X-To:         edtech@ohstvma.BITNET

Although I am not presently a member of this list, I would like
to make a request.  When my travels are over, I will rejoin and
play my fair share in the discussions, honest.
I am serving as guest editor for the Jouranl of Educational
Thought in a special issue devoted to creative writing about
teaching and learning.  We issued a call for papers about a year
ago and got a fairly good response.  Following the review process
(blind, three reviewers--two educators and a poet--though someone
would say two  poets and two educators), we have enough material
to fill a smallish edition of the journal.  A bigger concern
is that too many of the contributors are Albertans and we are
eager to provide the readership with a broader sampling of
writers.

We are seeking additional manuscripts that speak to issues in
teaching and learning.  It is essential that manuscripts fall into
the general classification of creative writing, e.g., poems,
short stories, plays.  Creatively composed essays (e.g., prose
poems) will also be considered, but I cannot overemphasize the
point that it is not merely the ideas that must be creative, but
also the writing genre.  While some of the accepted pieces have
been submitted by professional writers, all of the contributors
are first and foremost educators and several have not previously
published creative writing.

If you have a poem, short story, play etc. which addresses issues
in teaching and learning and which you would like to submit,
please send me a short note describing the work at
sted8013@iruccvax.ucc.ie

The journal is slated to appear in the spring, so there is not
much time left to accept additional pieces..  Thank you for your
attention. If you regarded this request as an opportunity, you
may have just the sort of thing we are looking for.

bill hunter
temporarily of
University College Cork
Cork, Ireland
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From:         Kevin@LEMOORE.ATI.COM
Subject:      Pete, I am.
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For those of you in California and somewhat interested in the budget
(or lack thereof) here is something that crossed my desk today. Enjoy!

PETE, I AM

I will not sign a budget soon.
I will not sign a budget in June.
I will not sign a budget now.
I will not sign one anyhow.

I will not close the budget gap.
I do not have a budget map.
Do not throw it im my lap.
Blame it on a Democrat.

I do not care how long it takes.
I do not care what pain it makes.
I do not mind the chaos now.
I may not sign it anyhow.

I could not would not have a plan.
I would not could not sign their plan.
I could not would not sign my plan.
I would not could not Pete I am.

---A Dr. Seuss-style ditty making the rounds at the state Capitol.
---No author has claimed credit.

Kevin Kurtz
Assistant Principal
Lemoore Elementary School
100 Vine St.
Lemoore, CA 93245
(209) 924 -1224    (voice)
(209) 924 - 2274    (data/fax -- on when requested)
Kevin@lemoore.ati.com
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Subject: Re: Ed Leadership Career Paths
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:08:00 GMT
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I think John Gallagher did an excellent job of characterizing the range
of students seeking doctoral degrees in educational administration.
I assume that the practitioners seeking increased job skills and a
"union card" make up by far the greatest number at most institutions,
to the point that institutional self-interest makes it unlikely that
residency requirements will be great.  I think the difference in
professional training and scholarly depth that John highlights should
be reflected in the difference between the Ed.D. and the Ph.D.

Alan Daivs
Univ of Colo at Denver
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Academic Support

John,

        I don't know if this is an example of what you're looking
for, and it was an "in-house," informal study.  But in a study of
ten years of grad students in the psych department at UC Davis, the
single best predictor of success in the program was fellowship
money.  (Success was defined as shortest length of time to
completion.)  The best predictor of receipt of fellowships was
having received one previously.  GPA and GRE were way down there,
not contributing much to the model.
        By the way, the more biological subsections of psychology
(physiological, psychophysics) were more likely to earn fellowships
(in comparison to social, developmental, etc.)
        --Kathy Morgan
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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From:         Bill Stilwell <CPD247@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shorts and the Law
              3 Sep 1992 09:28:03 EDT from <NORDIN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

You will haave to patiently communicate with each list owner and tell that
you have changed your ID...

or

subscribe with the new ID by VIEW COMPUTING LISTS and choose your lists

William Stilwell, Department of Educational and Counseling Psychology,
College of Education, UK, 40506-0017, 606-257-3395 (O).
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From:         JHDCI@BASIN.CRC.UNO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lake Woebegone

I'm don't think business wants higher test scores but it doesn't seem un-
reasonable to ask for high school graduates that can write a complete sentence,
know what a  variable is, and realize that a gram weighs the same in math
class as it does in chemistry.  Tests are a product of the educational est-
ablishment, not business.  Very few personnel managers in industry ask to see
a transcript of the applicant's grades.  Transcripts are mostly used by
schools and transcripts are a record of test scores.  Educators constantly
complain about how student performance is assessed and educators are the ones
designing and giving the tests.  Assessment in private industry is usually
based on job performance not test scores.
Jack DeGolyer[JHDCI@UNO.EDU]
University of New Orleans
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