HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ph3@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Hamilton (phys 306))
Subject: Re: the new Constitutional Deal
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:23:29 GMT

In <1992Jul21.175347.24421@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson) writes:

>I don't understand why it should be OK for Quebec to suspend Charter
>guaranteed rights in the name of cultural preservation, but not the other
>provinces. For example, why should it be fine for Quebec to pass a sign law
>in order create a French exterior in Quebec, yet BC could not do so in
>order to create an English exterior in the face of serious Asian
>immigration? Does BC's culture not deserve the same considerations as
>Quebec's? 

>BTW, in case it's not obvious, I am playing devil's advocate. I don't have
>a problem with Asian immigration, I don't think BC needs its own sign law,
>and I do greatly dislike Quebec's sign law. But, I *do* have a *very* hard
>time with double standards.

Yep, I agree. I think it is alright for any culture which feels threatened to
impose unconstitutional laws on individuals in order that the culture may
survive. Canada has a long history of this, i.e.

"I accept the King of England as my lord temporal and ecclesiatical"
		-Expulsion of the Acadians.

"Representation by population"
		-Ignored suggestion of the Durham report.

"Apprehended insurrection"
		-October crisis.

Xref: sparky can.general:3393 can.politics:5333 soc.culture.canada:5218
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:31:29 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 708

Denis,

I am winding down my involvement on this topic.

Sylvain has gone quiet.

Francois is raving incoherently.

My supporters are outnumbering you.

I am waiting for your response to the "Equivalent Assimilation" comments
made earlier this week.

I'll continue to watch out for your comments on the issue but as from now
I shall try to resist jumping on Francois and others just for the sake of
it.

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Xref: sparky can.general:3437 can.politics:5408
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: FLQ (was Re: French/English status after independence)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:00:56 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 645

From article <12398@audetf>, by audetf@Software.Mitel.COM
 Francois Audet writes:-

> Why the hell is two isolated murders always given as example of
> so-called Quebec nationalism, or violence in Quebec.
> 
> The half-dozen terrorist were convicted.

  Somebody tell me about this...

  Was one of 'em elected as a Parti Quebecois M.N.A.?

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Chevron gas stations
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:16:10 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

> Michael Hui writes:
> 
> This brand name exists in the USA, but not in Canada.
> I remember that it did at one time exist.
> What happened to it? Can we get Chevron products here in Canada?


Chevron stations are very commonplace in B.C. I don't know if they are
connected to the U.S. company or not. I used to have a Chevron credit card, and
was able to use it at U.S. stations.
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: the new Constitutional Deal
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.135026.15039@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>
>  I don't like the notwithstanding clause being used to override
>  individual rights though.
>
>  It's a problem isn't it?
>

The problem is that the Anglos in Quebec whose rights are being
violated have essentially accepted the decision instead of
making Quebec society come to a standstill with protests and
civil disobedience.

Individual rights are ultimately protected by a vigilant citizenry
in a society...not by governments and not by courts...in our society
the notwithstanding clause provides a good balance between the
courts and the legislature, but it is the citizens responsibility
to keep the legislatures in line.

In Quebec, the legislature was able to get away with the 
invocation of the notwithstanding clause, because English-speaking
Quebecers accepted its invocation instead of fighting it tooth 
and nail.

Gerald

Xref: sparky can.general:3550 can.politics:5509
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Powers of Prime Minister (was Re: Dominion of Canada)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:38:50 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <12397@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>In article  CZ94 writes:
>>Neither of these provisions has ever been repealed (let me remind you
>>that the 1982 repatriation amended but did not repeal the 1867 act)
>>so Canada still is a Dominion.
>
>And that same Constitutional act does not even mention the powers of
>the Prime Minister. It doesn't mean he is not the effective head of
>the country.
>
True.  So what?  What's your point?

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: can.general
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Subject: Re: CTV's Olympic Coverage Sucks!
Originator: clewis@bwdlh118
Organization: eh?
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:28:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.133656.18646@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>Even NBC, with its blatant and blinkered pro-Americanism, has done
>the Silken Laumann story better than CTV.

Better?  You call having NBC's camera boat buzzing both Silken and
her coach while she's training "better"?

As she said later: "my leg is at most a dull ache, but the media,
especially NBC is a real pain in the ..."

CTV did her story perfectly adequately.  At least insofar as can be
done with a budget which is probably orders of magnitude smaller
than NBC's.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: FLQ (was Re: French/English status after independence)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:07:43 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article (Steven C. Potter) writes:

>  Was one of 'em [FLQ memeber] elected as a Parti Quebecois M.N.A.?

Not that I know of. I think that one of them tried to present himself
as an NDP candidate.
-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
                                      Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
Xref: sparky can.general:3358 can.politics:5285
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: the new Constitutional Deal
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:39:07 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1780

From article <ph3.711746609@unixg.ubc.ca>, by ph3@unixg.ubc.ca

 Michael Hamilton writes:-

> 
> ... I think it is alright for any culture which feels threatened to
> impose unconstitutional laws on individuals in order that the culture may
> survive. ...
>

  So, according to Michael, it is alright for Quebec to force children of
  English families to attend French schools.

  He appears to be suggesting, also, that it is alright for the Quebec
  government to restrict or ban the use of English in commercial signs;

  He appears to be suggesting, in addition, that it would be alright for
  the Quebec government to ban the use of English in commercial advertising
  altogether; ban the transmission of English radio and television into
  Quebec territory; ban the printing of English newspapers or political
  literature in the province - in order that the French culture in Quebec,
  which feels threatened, may survive.

  How about declaring it illegal to operate English theatre; show English
  language films; play English music; sing English songs?

  Why not close down the English school system altogether; ban the use of
  spoken English in public?

  How about imposed repatriation orders on persons not born in Quebec who
  refuse to "co-operate/assimilate/meet the required linguistic standard"?


  The kind of thinking behind Mr. Hamilton's statement is very very very
  dangerous.

  I sincerely hope that he did not mean what he appears to have said.

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: peterm@writer.yorku.ca (Peter Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Chevron gas stations
Keywords: safeway
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:52:11 GMT

Yes, there are safeway stores in Ontario, but I think mostly in
Northern Ont.  There certainly aren't any in this area (north of
Toronto), but I do remember seeing them in Kenora.
  
Scott


  

Newsgroups: can.general,rec.crafts.brewing
From: bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Bright)
Subject: Re: Beer/Ale in Canada (Was Re: Labatt "Draft";Molson "Dry" etc)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:15:15 GMT

In article <CHARLTO.92Jul24165204@kaos.ubitrex.mb.ca>,
		 charlto@ubitrex.mb.ca (Mike Charlton) writes:
>the gist of what I read was
>that, in Manitoba the tax on beer is 56%.  That is, 56% of the final price
>goes to the government (12 of the 56 percent is federal and 44 is
>provincial).  On top of that, the liquor commission takes a straight
>35% off the top for its cut (all alcohol sales that aren't served on the
>premesis in which they were brewed have to go through the liquor
>commission).

Hi Mike,

	Does that last sentence imply that it's legal to brew and sell
beer on premises in Manitoba?  If so, why aren't there any brewpubs in
the 'Peg?  I've never bothered checking on the legislation here; I
just assumed that brewpubs are illegal, since there aren't any.

BBB
-- 
Bob Bright                |    E-mail: bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Dept. of Philosophy       |    FAX:    (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba    |    Voice:  (204) 474-9105
Winnipeg, Man  R3T 2M8    |
Newsgroups: can.general
From: zukicn@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: Bycicling comments by D. Lepp
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:46:27 GMT

Description: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)

: There are more than 3 million bicycles and 2 million cyclists in Ontario.
:

Dave writes:
> Wow That's a lot of unused bikes.
Ever heard of people  owning 2 bicycles? Like for example an ATB and a road
bicycle. Or, several bicycles: touring, hybrid, racing, etc.

: 6% of Ontarians (460,000) over the age of 15 use bicycles for primary
: transportation.
:

> 6% !!? What constitutes 'primary' ? Even in the summer I see
> a lot more cars on the road then bikes and in the winter I see
    ^^^^^^^^
> hardly any bikes. 
Brilliant comment Dave. 6% is SUBSTANTIALLY LESS than 50%. Primary DOES NOT
mean ONLY.

> I can't offer evidence to the contary but this seems pretty high.
So what's your point?

Nermin Zukic
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: roy@penguin.geog.ubc.ca (Roy Hourston)
Subject: Re: the new Constitutional Deal
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:52:42 GMT

In article <ph3.711666051@unixg.ubc.ca>, ph3@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Hamilton (phys 306)) writes:

 stuff about the use of the proposed distinct society clause to override
 the charter of rights in order to protect Quebecois culture....deleted

The distinct society clause seems to have 2 different meanings. The politicians
see it as a way of defining power, and the nationalist Quebecois non-politicians
see it as representing Quebec culture. The rejection of the distinct society 
clause (by people like Clyde Wells) due to its implications of power was seen by 
some Quebecois as a rejection of their culture. To avoid such misunderstandings,
why don't the politicians negotiate specifically defined powers, instead of 
fuzzy phrases? That way at least we would know WHY we are on a particular side 
of the fence.
Xref: sparky can.general:3371 can.politics:5300 soc.culture.canada:5190
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Gwen Jacobs day--reflections
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:23:15 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <1992Jul21.203346.12131@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> me@csri.toronto.edu (Daniel R. Simon) writes:

>What if (as was the case this past weekend) a male views an exposed
>breast as an "invitation" to roll his video camera?

More power to him - I've been at the beach and seen women "rolling
their video cameras" at the men there. Big <yawn> deal. You go about in
public, others in public may take your photograph. <yawn>

Muy ado about nothing.

-- 
"Also, our records do not support that Mr. Leuchter performed either
consulting or any service...I can attest that the planning and work was
performed by the Department of Correction Engineering Section and our
institution maintenance department." Signed: Gary T. Dixon, Warden NC
Xref: sparky can.general:3532 rec.crafts.brewing:4116
Newsgroups: can.general,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Beer/Ale in Canada (Was Re: Labatt "Draft";Molson "Dry" etc)
From: charlto@ubitrex.mb.ca (Mike Charlton)
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:30:02
 24165204@kaos.ubitrex.mb.ca><1992Jul27.161515.15945@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Distribution: can
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Canada.
In-reply-to: bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca's message of Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:15:15 GMTLines: 40

In article <1992Jul27.161515.15945@ccu.umanitoba.ca> bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Bright) writes:

   In article <CHARLTO.92Jul24165204@kaos.ubitrex.mb.ca>,
		    charlto@ubitrex.mb.ca (Mike Charlton) writes:
   >On top of that, the liquor commission takes a straight
   >35% off the top for its cut (all alcohol sales that aren't served on the
   >premesis in which they were brewed have to go through the liquor
   >commission).

   Hi Mike,

	   Does that last sentence imply that it's legal to brew and sell
   beer on premises in Manitoba?  If so, why aren't there any brewpubs in
   the 'Peg?  I've never bothered checking on the legislation here; I
   just assumed that brewpubs are illegal, since there aren't any.

It is legal to brew and sell beer on the premises in Manitoba.  Apparently
there have been a few Winnipeg brew pubs over the years, but they have all
gone under.  The major reason that the brew pubs have failed is that they
were trying to sell industrial style Canadian lager for less than the major
breweries were charging.  There was apparently one hotel that brewed English
style ales, but that failed as well (not enough interest at the time).
I've heard a couple of rumors that a brew pub might be coming here in the
next couple of years.  I know Spinnacker's (sp?) was planning on opening
up a branch here a few years ago, but a land deal downtown fell through.
Big Rock and Upper Canada have also both expressed interest in setting
up breweries in Winnipeg depending on how sales go in the next year
(Big Rock is supposed to be in beer vendor this week and Upper Canada
will come soon -- Bug your local vendor about getting it...).  From what
I understand, the major obstacles for getting a brew pub in Winnipeg are
taxes (the highest in Canada and 3rd highest in the world), bizarre health
related rules (much more stringent than for a restaurant) and the fact that
a brewery must reside on land zoned for light industrial use (and there
are very few places zoned for light industrial use in Winnipeg that
would make a good spot for a pub...). 

        Mike

P.S.  Most of the above was obtained from rumors and snippets of
conversation.  Some or all of it is bound to be untrue...
Newsgroups: can.general
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Bicycle Helmets
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:33:51 GMT

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes:
>gaea@zooid.guild.org (Call me stupid,) writes: <-- NOT FUNNY!
>> Since when is the average bicycle 2m high?
>
>The bike isn't, but your head falls approximately 2m if you tip over on a bike.

Well, first of all I have a racing style bike, so that makes it about
1.5m... :), second of all, I don't all of a sudden find myself upside down.
In all the times I did fall of my bike when I was a child, usually my legs,
arms, and torso hit first, my head usually not at all.

>Oh, well you have nothing to worry about then; you're one of the lucky ones who
>will never, ever fall off a bike, even if you were to hit a rock or a patch of
>black ice.  <:-O

I don't bicycle in winter. And how am I supposed to hit a rock if I'm not
moving?? 

>> However I also think it would make a little more sense to better educate
>> drivers and cyclists rather than trying to enforce a helmet law. That's
>> really what I was saying in the first place, I DO think helmets are a good
>> idea, but I just don't think they should be manditory. Call me stupid, but at
>> least it's my own life I'm playing with.
>
>I agree, at least to some extent.  I do think that the public school system
>should provide bicycle education, and that helmets should be mandatory for that
>training, and possibly for young cyclists.  Once they have gotten used to
>wearing a helmet, then they can choose to wear or not wear one.  From my own
>experience, I think that most people would choose to wear a helmet once they'd
>gotten used to it.

They do have SOME education, but not a heck of a lot. I remember way back in
grade school there was a day when all the students brought their bikes to
school, and there were some police officers there. They inspected all our
bikes, showed us the proper hand signals, and had us ride a small obstacle
course make sure we could control our bikes. But way back then, nothing was
mentioned about helmets.

They probably should have a level of education for bicyclists that's
comparable to the level of education for drivers.

>I'd rather see a campaign to convince parents to make their children wear
>bicycle helmets than a law that the parents must wear one (I doubt that the
>police would enforce a mandatory child bicycle helmet law).

It would seem that the parents would do a better job. I quite often see whole
families riding down the street, all of them, including the kids, wearing
helmets.

Gaea
gaea@zooid.guild.org

Xref: sparky can.general:3355 can.politics:5281 soc.culture.canada:5180
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:46:41 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Jul22.015308.10877@u.washington.edu> macuser@milton.u.washington.edu (Hung Le) writes:
>yes, I think most of the provinces have a
>"English is official in ......" clause.
>Only New Brunswick is officially bilingual
>province.... strange....

Last time I read some extract of the constitution,
it was said that only New-Brunswick had a bilingual status,
that is a bilingual status written in the constitution.
I don't remember the other's status.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Xref: sparky can.general:3439 can.jobs:476 sci.environment:10006 talk.environment:2976
From: asiacoll@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: can.general,can.jobs,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: help
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:16:20 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Dear Netters,

Any of you know how to connect with EPA (Environmnetal Protection Agency) in
the United States and Environment Canada to search their databases or to be
reached by e-mail?

Any help will be very much appreciated.

Best regards,

Nick Gao

Ass. Info. Officer
Southeast Asian Environmental Collection
E-mail: asiacoll@ac.dal.ca
        zaigi@ac.dal.ca
Xref: sparky can.general:3329 can.politics:5252
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: "Race" : definition (was: Bof?)
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:00:41 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1945

From article <1992Jul20.161637.22077@mdivax1.uucp>, by robinson@mdivax1.uucp
 Jim Robinson asks:-

> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>>
>>  "Race" : "a class or kind of people unified by community of interests,
>>            habits, or characteristics <the English race/the French race>"
>>
>>      Websters Ninth New College Dictionary, definition 3.2.b
> 
> It seems to me that the above definition is so broad that just about
> anything can be racial, thus rendering the term close to meaningless. For
> example, are  "ski bums" not a class of people unified by the
> all important drive (characteristic) of minimizing work time (especially
> daylight work time) and maximizing on slope time. How do these people not
> constitute a race by the above definition?
> 

   I should have known better than to have referred to an "American"
   English dictionary.

   I consulted Funk & Wagnalls Standard College (Canadian) Dictionary
   and found:-

    "Race : Any class of beings having characteristics uniting them, or
            differentiating them from others: the human race; the race
            of lawyers"   (Definition 6)


   So yes, there might well be a race of "ski bums" - just as there would
   appear to be a race of "lawyers" :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

   I suppose there could be a race of Quebec separatists or a race of
   Canadian federalists. :-)

   Good heavens! English speaking Canadians or landed immigrants who can
   not send their children to English school in Quebec aren't just a
   group of "ghettoized" "English ethnics" - 
   They are a whole race after all :-)  :-)  :-)

                      
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  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
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