HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: # of pdp-11s still in operation
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.164449.11612@mail.cornell.edu>, jrl2@cornell.edu (Jeffrey Luszcz) writes:
>   I would guess that a large number are still in service in selected
> industries. I have a friend who works in a nuclear power plant in the
> mid-west who says they still use them to control some equipment....
>    
> so...
>     Does anyone have an idea of the number of pdp-11's still in operation
> in the world?
> 
Funny you should mention it. Today I was talking to some one who still uses
an 11/15 system for data logging...

Good luck on finding the number of 11 built, let alone how many are left (lots).

~Paul
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re:  ftp on pdp?
From: <young@ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 06:02:05 -0500
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <pat+@transarc.com>

	>To: mccall!info-pdp11-newsgate
	>Subject: ftp on pdp?
	>Message-Id: <1992Oct6.175239.9302@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	>From: cstevens@vax.ox.ac.uk
	>Date: 6 Oct 92 16:52:39 GMT
	>Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Chris Stevens (CSTEVENS@UK.AC.OX.VAX) writes:
	>Does anyone out there know of any ftp software that will run on a
	>pdp-11? and if so who has it? Is there an ftp accessible archive for
	>pdp-11 software somewhere out there?

	Chris, there are a few products "out there" to allow PDP-11 access to
the internet via TCP/IP, FTP, Telnet, et al. We are using Process Software's
TCPWare for RSX product on an 11/44 under 11M-Plus V4.0. Works fine. There is
(or was :-) also an outfit called Claflin & Clayton in Massachusetts (I think)
that sold a similar product, but with their own interface board (PSC uses std.
DEC boards). And there are doubtless others, but I know of none in the public
domain (i.e., free).

	I do know of at least one anonymous FTP site with pdp-11 PD code:
en.ecn.purdue.edu, in directory pdp-11. I have placed some ACP example code
there, mostly from DECUS sources. Possibly useful to those contemplating writing
an ACP for RSX.  I'm sure there are other sites, too - I just don't know
about them.


    |  Mike Young KA9HZE                |       young@ecn.purdue.edu    |
    |  Purdue University EE Dept.       |       ...!pur-ee!young        |
    |  W. Lafayette, IN  47907          |                               |
    _____________________________________________________________________
From: silverm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Jeff Silverman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re: God and Golum, and the PDP-11
Keywords: Gollum, Gholem, Golem
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:34:51 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In 1981, I visited The Technion in Rehovot, Israel.  They had built their
own computer, "the most powerful computer in the middle east", and named it
Golem.

Jeff Silverman
Boeing

Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: deboer@gate.esat.kuleuven.ac.be (De Boer Joannes)
Subject: test
Organization: K.U.Leuven, Belgium
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:06:30 GMT

second test please ignore
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: news@base
Subject: testing
Organization: Bell Canada Operations Development
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:14:26 GMT


testing, please ignore
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com 
Subject: test
Originator: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:24:55 GMT



test
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: deboer@gate.esat.kuleuven.ac.be (De Boer Joannes)
Subject: test postnews
Keywords: test
Organization: K.U.Leuven, Belgium
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:18:22 GMT



test please ignore

Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: a724431@flash.mc.ti.com (Ray Mandeville)
Subject: new configuation
Originator: a724431@flash.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:39:38 GMT


does it work?
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: root@flash.mc.ti.com ()
Subject: test - please ignore
Originator: root@flash.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:22:20 GMT


test of hp730 hpux 8.05
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy)
Subject: Test
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:02:30 GMT

This is a test ...........

-- 

	Mike Bandy
	bandy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
	Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Lab
From: gwi@icf.hrb.com (Gregory W. Isett)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: test
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:02:13 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

test
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: test
From: gerry@pluto.logica.co.uk (Gerry Magennis)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: gerry@pluto.logica.co.uk
Organization: Logica Industry Ltd, UK

Test of NEWSRDR V4.0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gerard Magennis | Logica Industry Ltd, London UK | Internet: gerry@logica.co.uk
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: is that link going out ?
Date: 11 Oct 1992 12:54:22 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique, Lyon, France
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

please reply testing nntplink

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
   "No keyboard, press F1 to continue"
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: dave@grizzly (Dave Rodgers)
Subject: test
Organization: Bell Canada Operations Development
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:52:43 GMT

testing, please ignore.

--
 Dave Rodgers, Designer - Implementation, Operations Development
 160 Elgin, Ottawa rm 1050  voice:613-781-1214  fax:613-230-6460
 ICN: dave@base [138.82.45.14]
 envoy100: d.rodgers     UUCP: ...utzoo!censor!animal!base!dave
From: plc@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
Subject: test
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:44:36 EDT
Distribution: vmsnet
Organization: Cornell University

testing... 1,2,3...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Pat Cleveland, pc11@cornell.edu  | We are fresh out of original thoughts or
 Dept. of Pharmacology            | pithy sayings. You might try again 
 Cornell University               | tomorrow...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com 
Subject: test
Originator: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:20:48 GMT


test
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
From: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com 
Subject: test
Originator: a726226@shiva.mc.ti.com
Reply-To: kali@shiva.mc.ti.com
Organization: _
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:45:30 GMT


test
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From: "Alberto Meregalli (SIC)" <meregalli@cesi.UUCP>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Is MX over UCX lazy?
Date: 09 Oct 1992 17:02:00 +0100
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Hello all!

I have installed MX 3.1C on my VAXcluster (8530+6410 with VMS 5.5-1
and UCX 1.3A)

When I try to send mail from a Sparc/OS station to the cluster alias
or to any cluster node I have random results: sometime the message
arrives immediately, sometime it is deferred saying 'connection
refused by ...' and sometime it is bounced shortly with 'Host unknown'
(but /etc/hosts has the right entries both for the cluster alias and
the nodes!)

Any idea? (I have bad ones of mine about UCX, but I'm not sure I can
throw on it all the blame)

Thanks in advance!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Alberto Meregalli, SIC                         tel. +39 2 2125 249
Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano    fax  +39 2 2125 520
Via Rubattino, 54 - I 21034 Milano

Internet: meregalli@cesi.it         UUCP: ...i2unix!cesi!meregalli
From: ANIL KHULLAR <ank@CUNYVMS1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Is MX over UCX lazy?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:10:00 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List


HI,
        Is'nt 128.1.0.0 reserved for BBN Test ? I hope the
machines being specified are not connected to the internet.

MX will query nameservers and since 128.1.0.0 is not under
your admin control it may give a host unknown error.

Just a thought

anil
From: system@mpib-tuebingen.mpg.dbp.de
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: subscribe
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:22:58 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

SUBSCRIBE
From: frohme@bilbo.memst.edu (Mike Frohme)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: How can I change my Reply-To field
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:47:19 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List


        Andy,
>
> If you will notice my original Reply-to field is wrong.  The last time I tried
> to change it, I really messed things up.  I need it to read vax.augustana.edu.
>
            We had the same problem here.  It seems to happen with UCX
        (at least to me, it did), and the way names are put into the local
        hosts database.  Even though the documentation says to put the
        alias as the *first* entry, the proper way to do it is to use the
        "Fully Qualified Domain Name" (FQDN) as the first entry .  You'll
        probably get quite a few responses on this one - it will eventually
        make the FAQ list.  See below for example.

        Good luck.


                                                Mike Frohme

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$ ucx sh host/local bilbo

     LOCAL database

Host address    Host name

141.225.56.13   bilbo.memst.edu, BILBO, bilbo, BILBO.MEMST.EDU

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael K. Frohme                              Internet: frohme@bilbo.memst.edu
Center for Earthquake Research & Information   Bitnet:   frohmemk@memstvx1
Memphis State University                       PhoneNet: 901/678-2007
    "... I suppose we *could* network a few tricorders together..."- Geordi
From: welker@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com (RON WELKER)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Is MX over UCX lazy?
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:01:24 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

> <meregalli@cesi.UUCP> writes:
>>When I try to send mail from a Sparc/OS station to the cluster alias
>>or to any cluster node I have random results: sometime the message
>>arrives immediately, sometime it is deferred saying 'connection
>>refused by ...' and sometime it is bounced shortly with 'Host unknown'
>>(but /etc/hosts has the right entries both for the cluster alias and
>>the nodes!)
>>
>>Any idea? (I have bad ones of mine about UCX, but I'm not sure I can
>>throw on it all the blame)

Mathew Madison writes:
>First, I wouldn't recommend trying to send mail to the cluster alias address.
>In fact, the cluster alias address may be screwing other things up as well.
>I never got it to work for me when I was running V1.3 (back at my last job).
>That might explain the connection refused errors.

>The bounces with "host unknown" don't sound like problems with the VAXes
>at all, but perhaps a configuration problem on your Sun.  Including a
>copy of one of these bounce messages might help in trying to track down
>the problem.

That's strange. I haven't had a bit of a problem. I've been running 3.1-C,
with both UCX V1.3a (and it's myriad patches) and now 2.0. Someone did
mention earlier tho that in UCX, you need to use the FQDN (fully qualified
domain name), not just the host name, for the cluster. In my case,
the cluster is known as GTEWD, so in UCX I set it up with the command
SET HOST GTEWD.MTV.GSC.GTE.COM/ALIAS=GTEWD... In MCP, it's set up exactly
the same way as all six real hosts are.

When mail comes in, it's received varisously by C.MTV.GSC.GTE.COM,
D.MTV.GSC.GTE.COM ... H.MTV.GSC.GTE.COM (real creative host names
right? ;-) ). When mail is sent out from any of the machines, it always
goes out as GTEWD.MTV.GSC.GTE.COM; this message is being sent from
G.MTV.GSC.GTE.COM and should be received with the cluster alias.
||
||Ron Welker (415) 966-2900
||
||Internet:                        US Mail:
||welker@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com     100 Ferguson Dr. M/S 5G09
||welker@ns2.mtv.gsc.gte.com       Mt. View, CA 94039
Xref: sparky vmsnet.mail.mx:1037 vmsnet.uucp:772
From: john@cutler.com (John E. Babbitt Jr.)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx,vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Re: Problems with UUCP and MX
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:49:36 PDT
Organization: Cutler & Company, Inc., Medford OR (503) 770-9000

In article <1bdjbmINNq28@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie) writes:
> 
> The following is an extract from the uucp_log:uuxqt.log file.
> Has anyone seen this problem before ?
> 
> ...
> p:uxqt =< h:-       [10/13-14:54:05-2020411e]   Processing     (DUA12:[UUCP.SPOOL.TOSH]X.TOSH19576;1) u:-       
> p:uxqt << h:tosh    [10/13-14:54:06-2020411e]   Executing      (rmail brockie@med.wcc.govt.nz < UUCP_DISK:[UUCP.SPOOL.tosh]D.TOSH19576 > NL:) u:-       
>   Begin X file DUA12:[UUCP.SPOOL.TOSH]X.TOSH19576;1 at 13-OCT-1992 14:54:06.46
> $	    RMAIL DUA12:[UUCP.SPOOL.TOSH]D.TOSH19576; "brockie@med.wcc.govt.nz"
> %RMS-F-FLK, file currently locked by another user
> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
> module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC
> MX_RMAIL        MX_RMAIL                          127      00000033  00001C47
> $ FAILED_RMAIL:
> Attempt to send mail to <brockie@med.wcc.govt.nz> failed with status %X1001828C
> %RENAME-I-RENAMED, DUA12:[UUCP.SPOOL.TOSH]X.TOSH19576;1 renamed to DUA12:[UUCP.SPOOL.TOSH]REMAIL_X.TOSH19576;1
> ...
> 
> Roger
> -- 
> brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz

If only I could've seen the first few lines of the uucp log just prior to
the above, I may have had an answer for you.

I've seen where some uucp software attempts to send the X file first, then
the D file after.  Of course, the X get processed immediately (or it used
to in pre-2.0) and one of the two things happen: 1) doesn't find the D.*
file; 2) Finds the D. file as it's being renamed from a temporary name
(and it's still locked by the renaming process).  The odds of 2) happening
is very small, I must admit.

The uucp software that sends the X first then D is called "Coherent". 
Perhaps they've fixed it by now, but it was a problem for Coherent user a
year ago.  Suffice to say this user no longer runs that software.

Regards,

John E. Babbitt, Jr.        {UUCP: ...hplabs!hp-pcd!orstcs!cutler!john}
Senior Programmer/Analyst   {Internet: john@cutler.com}
Cutler & Company, Inc.      {Phone: 503/770-9000 (voice) 503/770-9014 (tt)}
Medford, Oregon  97504      {Disclaimer: What I say is my personal opinion}
From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Subject: Re: Help!!  (New Install of MX)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Organization: Science Applications Intl Corp - Dayton, Ohio
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:55:19 GMT

Carl J Lydick (carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU) wrote:

: >Meanwhile, who wants to volunteer to write the 'ARRGH! My mail is STUCK and
: >I need help NOW!' troubleshooting manual that lists what to do, what to look
: >at, and what it all means :-)
: 
: Matt Madison already provided a manual that tells you how to get the
: information necessary to diagnose and fix most MX problems.  What makes you
: think that someone who won't read THAT manual would bother to read the one you
: propose?

	I put some time into just such a manual and I believe it is contained
in the contrib area of the savesets.  I tried to cover most of the basics that
I ran across and I am sure I left out some pieces but it might be a good starting
point.


Earle
ake@dayton.saic.com
From: Peter Kobe <system@PIB1.physik.uni-bonn.de>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: Personal names and RFC-822 addressing
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:41:41 MEZ
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Brian Tillman <tillman@swdev.si.com> writes

>  I read the RFC and, although I don't understand
>all I read, it seemed that a more appropriate handling of the personal name
>would have been to enclose it in parentheses, since the RFC explicitly says
>that
>parentheses-enclosed text is treated as comments,

>Could someone suggest a patch to MX to implement this behavior change?  We have
>a mailer here that is supposedly RFC-compliant that isn't handling the personal
>name properly and I want to see if parentheses would make a difference.

To do that, you get into conflict with VMS quote handling in DCL. (at
least I didn't find a way to solve it)
When some years ago I adapted G.Newmans MAILER for our ANJE installation,
I circumvented this by letting the users use a single quote <'> intead
of <"> and then have the mailer replacing it with the correct <">.
I think this is a very poor solution and not generally applicable.

Peter
=====================================================================
Peter Kobe                      Internet: system@pib1.physik.uni-bonn.de
Physikalisches Institut           HEPNET: 13562::SYSTEM
Universitaet Bonn                    Tel: (49) 228 73 3222
D 53 Bonn
From: Hans-Joachim Koch <sys_hjk@lifra.lif.de>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: SMTP accounting question
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 15:18:07 CET
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Hello all,

I have a small problem with the MX smtp accounting.

Accounting lines look like this:

 8-OCT-1992 10:39 XMIT: PROTO=SMTP, SOURCE="<sys_hjk@lifra.lif.de>",
                  HOST="SUNNY.LIF.DE", BYTES_SENT=1510

Node LIFRA is our VMS system running VMS5.4-2, Multinet 3.1 and MX 3.1c.
Node SUNNY is a Sparc-1 station running in our ethernet and connected to
the EUnet via ISDN.

The last path config line says "domain *, path=smtp, route=sunny.lif.de".

My question is: is it possible to get the REAL address into the smtp
accounting instead of the router address. In the above example I would
like to see:

 8-OCT-1992 10:39 XMIT: PROTO=SMTP, SOURCE="<sys_hjk@lifra.lif.de>",
                  HOST="user@anywhere.world", BYTES_SENT=1510

Any hints?
Thanks. Hans.
--
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Lyoner Strasse 22, POB 71 06 51, D-6000 Frankfurt (Main) 71, Germany
Phone: +49 69 6677-642, Fax: +49 69 6677-571, Tx: 413478 li d
Email: koch@lifra.lif.de, dk9om@dk9om.ampr.org [44.130.25.45]
From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425"
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: More on Personal names and RFC-822 addressing
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:18:46 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Matthew Madison (madison@tgv.com) writes:

>The people who wrote the mail gateway you're using should fix it so it handles
>addresses correctly.  Actually reading RFC822 might help; you could suggest
>that to them.

Thank you, Matt, for the confirmation that MX is adding the quotes.  And, while
I cetainly agree wholeheartedly with the above quoted statement, it doesn't
help, because it doesn't solve an immediate problem.  Moreover, while text not
containing special characters certainly isn't required to be quoted, quoting it
is also legitimate.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |           tillman_brian@si.com
 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129    | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
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From: Larry Horn <hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Temporary files
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:43:05 CDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Brian Tillman (tillman@swdev.si.com) writes:
#Matthew Madison (madison@tgv.com) writes:
#
#>They are temporary files that are constructed when delivering messages into
#>VMS Mail.  They should get deleted automatically after they've been used.
#
#I figured that they are normally deleted.

I have "$ MCR MX_EXE:MCP SHUTDOWN" in "SYS$MANAGER:SYSHUTDWN.COM" -- if you're
not doing this, it might explain some of the temporary files being left around
due to shutdown.

Larry Horn / Millsaps College / Jackson, MS / hornlo@okra.millsaps.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Temporary files
From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:54:47 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Matthew Madison (madison@tgv.com) writes:

>They are temporary files that are constructed when delivering messages into
>VMS Mail.  They should get deleted automatically after they've been used.

I figured that they are normally deleted.

>anything unusual about the messages?

Not that I can see.  I deleted them and won't bother with them any more, since
the occurrance of them is rare.  Thanks.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |           tillman_brian@si.com
 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129    | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
-----------------------------+--------------------------------
From: madison@Flamin-O.TGV.COM (Matt Madison)
Subject: Re: Temporary files
Reply-To: madison@tgv.com
Organization: The Foundation for Dinner Peas
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:59:21 GMT

In article <0096206E.0D5D2D20.20363@swdev.si.com>, "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425" writes:
>In my MX_LOCAL_DIR are come files whose names are of the form
>LCL_BBE89AA0_009618BC_2780009C.TMP.  They seem to contain old messages that I
>received over ten days ago.

They are temporary files that are constructed when delivering messages into
VMS Mail.  They should get deleted automatically after they've been used.
They might get left around if the MX_LOCAL agent (or the system it was
running on) died before it could delete those files.  If that's not the
case, then there might be a problem in MX_LOCAL... anything unusual about
the messages?

-Matt=
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TGV, Inc.       | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Personal names and RFC-822 addressing
From: "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:18:54 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Currently, MX (v3.1C) places the VMS personal name in the From: header by
enclosing the name in quotes and following that with the Internet-style address
enclosed in "angle brackets."  I read the RFC and, although I don't understand
all I read, it seemed that a more appropriate handling of the personal name
would have been to enclose it in parentheses, since the RFC explicitly says that
parentheses-enclosed text is treated as comments, but doesn't seem (at least in
my mind) to say exactly what to do with quoted text.

Could someone suggest a patch to MX to implement this behavior change?  We have
a mailer here that is supposedly RFC-compliant that isn't handling the personal
name properly and I want to see if parentheses would make a difference.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |           tillman_brian@si.com
 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129    | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
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