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From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Brands of LSD
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:33:01 GMT

jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S) writes:

>I also heard the guy who originally made the stuff, fell into a vat of the
>stuff, but this is undoubtfully urban legend.

Yowzah! I've *never* heard of any story where someone fell into a VAT
of LSD :). In fact the stories where people brag about the sheer volume
that such and such had was usually on the order of a glassfull.

Considering that LSD is quite water soluble, it will also quite readily
pass through skin. Falling into a vat would be up amongst the most
psychedelic experience one would ever hope to not survive :)


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From: ipierago@fenris.claremont.edu (Ian Pierago)
Subject: Flashback from hell - comments?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:15:14 GMT


I was discussing the psycological causes of flashbacks (as opposed to the
false belief that LSD causes them by chemical means) with a friend when she
related the following story about a flashback her SO had.  It was obviously
a tramatic experience and neither of them use LSD any more because of it.

I'm posting it here for several reasons.  First, it's a really interesting
(although scarey story).  Second, I'd like to know if anyone else has had
this sort of intense flashback.  Is this type of flashback common for people
with a particular psycological problem?  Should he seek professional help?
I have never heard of anyone else having such an incredibly tramatic flashback
and I always assumed that this type of story was an urban legend, so your
comments will be appreciated.

Below is the story as it was related to me.  I've removed the names of the
people involved where the <>s are.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can see how the flashbacks could be caused how the message stated, but
<>'s flashbacks are always new experiences.  He hasn't tripped in 7 months.
He was driving daown my road and we were talking about <> moving to Montana
All of a sudden he looked straight ahead and got this terrified look in
his eyes - he couldn't even speak but it looked like he was trying to scream.
He threw his arms around his head, trying to protect it from something - I
grabbed for the wheel and was trying to drive while he was pressing the gas.
I started yelling at him to snap out of it - "What's wrong, dammit?!! Take
your foot of the gas pedal.. Take your foot off the gas!!"  I just kept
yelling over and over, he finally took his foot off the gas and curled into
a little ball in the driver's seat - I threw the car into neutral and drove
into
a field to get it to stop.  He eventually snapped out of it.  I asked him
what happened - he said this huge snake had burst out of the road and was
heading straight for the car with its mouth open - he was going to serve
but then he saw them everywhere.  He even said there wer little ones in the
car trying to eat his eyes.  He was mortified.  He said he couldn't ever
remember having had a trip that involved snakes before.
That was enough for me.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ian Pieragostini		ipierago@jarthur.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.rave
From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: N2O Action
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:35:18 GMT

What is the physiological action of N2O inhalation...is it just
anoxia, or something else?
From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Penalties for Acid Dealing?
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:15:15 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1301300199@igc.apc.org>, Eric Sterling <esterling@igc.apc.org> writes:
> 
> Dear Friend Potosky,
> 
> Because Congress provided that any part of any substance containing a
> controlled substance shall be included in the weight for the determination
> of the quantity of drug, the answer is life.
> 
E.g. the entire body weight of the human whose brain normally
contains a small but detectable amount of DMT?{What a wonderful law!
> 
Jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:18629 alt.config:7171
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD?:  alt.drugs splitting (was alt.drugs.lsd)
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:05:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Bxz7G8.KKG@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>alt.drugs.use
               .net

>
>How about alt.drugs.newgroup.happy.happy.happy?
                                               .joy.joy.joy


 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (On a totally different subject, wouldn't "us.tv.satnightlive" be
clearer, albeit uglier? Fits in the 14-character limit . . . .)
-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.rave
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: FDA gives approval to testing of ecstasy
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.063253.8258@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>Hmmm, I did not know it was possible to get permission to do research
>on a schedule I substance.  Many things I have read more or less presented
>the impossibility as fact and I accepted it.  Anybody know the real facts?

To do research with schedule 1's in general, you need a specific license
for each drug.  For reseach with 1's in humans, you need special
approval, but it is possible.

Is DMT schedule 1?  I know Rick Strassman, at U of New Mexico, is
doing a clinical study with DMT.

>BTW does anybody know of any X busts?  Not a pharmacopia bust but just X.

Thursday morning there were simultaneous raids in Sonoma Country,
Berkeley, and Emeryville which resulted in lots of MDMA being seized.  
The police got wind of this operation when a "routine traffic stop"
revealed "suspicious documents."  Wayman Walker, of Emeryville,
and Mark Lindsay, of Santa Rosa, and two unidentified others have
been arrested.  

>Bob
>-- 
>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007
>
>"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
>                                                    Victoria Roberts
>
>
>               PGP 1.0 or 2.0 public key available on request.
From: honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Jell-O Killer Gets Life Term (LSD-related)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:22:49 GMT

 jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>David Honig@ics.uci.edu writes:
>
>>they extrapolated from lab animals.  you'd have to give a lab animal a
>>dose that, scaled up to human size, you would not be able to afford or find.
>
>   Yes, and the mg/kg rate varies quite a bit from species to species. LSD
>fanatics will naturally select the highest one for extrapolation to humans.
>Can't afford or find? Even if I had an LSD lab in my basement? Some people do,
>you know. 100 g should be enough to do away with someone, I'd say.

Some do, you know??? Yah right



--
David Honig

Gun control is hitting your target.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: death@buhub.bradley.edu (Dustin Slater)
Subject: Re: Sodium Pentatol - availability
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:45:39 GMT

A large dose of KCl effectively gives you a heart attack i believe.....
i dn't imagine it would be that hard to manufacture either....
as for me... if i want some of that or even CN i could swipe it form my
chem lab here at school..... not that i ever would (heh)
--
death@buhub.bradley.edu        INEVITABILE FATVM       death@camelot.bradley.edu

You see the agony in my eyes, protruding aimlessly, I think it is time to die.  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Shrooms and Honey (?)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:14:37 GMT

According to Terrence McKenna in "Food of the Gods" honey has been used
since antiquity and to the present time as a *preservative* for the
magic mushroom.  I recently read this in another book on the subject.
No mention was made of any changes to the mushroom or the honey.

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Is WOSD being won?
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:19:46 GMT

guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>Actually, I don't think the increase in the age of our population is
>the cause of the decrease in marijuana use.  In fact, this decrease
>in marijuana use is about the only "bright spot" in the war on drugs.
>The government has been quite efficient in reducing the street supply
>of marijuana, thus drastically increasing its price (around here, I
>understand that good bud goes for $800/oz.).  Of course, people have
>quit using pot and switched to alcohol, crack, and heroin.  Isn't
>that terrific !!?

True, but if you look at past statistics this trend started well over a
decade ago at least...

>>>> We're winning, folks, despite the propaganda of people like Nemeth.
>>
>>Look at the propaganda spewing from your own source first.
>
>If Bennet really believes this crap, I think that we should give
>him a drug test - he obviously is taking some very strong 
>hallucinagen.

Nah -- He probably blew so much coke that the amphetamine psychoses pushed
him into paranoid delusional schizophrenia.  People that take psychedelics
are much more well balanced....
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Need info on X and Nitrate
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.052310.14024@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>The book "Ecstasy: the MDMA Story" by Bruce Eisner will tell you nearly
>all that is currently known about X including subjective effects, use
>in therapy, toxicity, history, etc.  Great book.  Virtually sold out
>in the S.F. Bay Area and back ordered in local warehouses a couple
>of weeks ago.  Hmmm.  Also seems that X is nearly sold out in the same
>area dammit.  :-)

For a pharmacologist-type like myself, the book seems pretty out-of-date
(especially with reference to toxicity and psychoactive mechanism).
I would recommend also reading the article by Rick Doblin in
_Psychedelic Monographs and Essays_ Vol 4 entitled "Risk Assessment:
the FDA and MDMA Research."  An easy-to-read article on its biochemistry
is Marcus Rattray's "Ecstasy: towards an understanding of the bio-
chemical basis of the actions of MDMA" in _Essays in Biochemistry_
Vol 26, 1991.  However, people with a more serious interest in such
matters will find Rattray's article lightweight.

I spent a couple hours after work yesterday getting the more recent
articles on MDMA in preparation for a file I'm writing.  I was going to
just post some summaries/abstracts of the posters at Neuroscience,
but I figure I might as well write something systematic and referenced.
Expect it soon though.

Might X's scarcity have to do with the 90 pounds of it the police
seized the day before yesterday?

>Bob
>-- 
>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Physiological Effects of LSD
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:45:45 GMT

muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (William J. Taney) writes:
: 
: >Ohmygod. Thank you for playing, but...no. First, Serotonin is NOT
: >'the inhibitor substance' in the brain. Serotonin's effect is mimicked
: >in CERTAIN parts of the brain >BY< LSD.  LSD does not attach itself to
: >Serotonin. It is an agonist. That means it acts like Serotonin. There
: >are 5 types of Serotonin receptor in the brain. LSD will interact with
: >ONE of them. The effect is felt predominantly in the limbic system, and
: >in certain association areas (tempoparietal, for one). 
: 
: Does anyone know what kind of interaction LSD would have with drugs that
: are intended to effect seroronin activity such as PROZAC (Flouroextine I
: think).  
: 

The anti-depressant bupropion (Wellbutrin) whose action is poorly
understood and described as, "a weak blocker of the neuronal uptake
of serotonin and norepinepherine which also inhibits the neuronal re-
uptake of dopamine" has a very signifigant effect of nearly blocking
the effects of LSD if not discontinued for two days prior to tripping.
This is a personal observation and has been consistant under
experimentation.

Bob
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts


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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Growing Weed
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:52:18 GMT
	<92321.045114NMR103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <92321.045114NMR103@psuvm.psu.edu> <NMR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

   >Of course, I do not advocate or encourage the propagation of this
   >plant since it is a criminal offense, but I am aware that using a
   >black light (to give the plants each wavelength necessary for
   >growth) makes them grow reallllllly fast.

Of course, we know you really meant full-spectrum light instead of
black light.



-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: trailmix@cs.montana.edu (Foster)
Subject: Re: Physiological Effects of LSD
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: alt.drugs
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:08:27 GMT

In article <3114@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:
>In article <BxrKK7.AIz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> obradovi@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zo Obradovic) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me what the physiological effects of LSD are, apart from
>LSD is the most powerful hallucinogenic drug known to man.  It takes

Would someone like to qualify this ?  Hallucinations on mescaline
were much more pronounced for me than on LSD.  And from what it sounds
like, LSD is like M&M's compared to DMT.  Is it just because they are
ingested in a much higher dose than LSD ? 
-- 

Slade Foster   Montana State Univ.   trailmix@fubar.cs.montana.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.rave
Subject: Re: FDA gives approval to testing of ecstasy
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:28:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

>WASHINGTON - In an unprecedented decision,
>the Food and Drug Administration has 
>cleared the way for a UC-Irvine researcher
>to study the effects of a hallucinogenic 
>drug known as MDMA, or Ecstasy, on human
>subjects.
>
>Dr. Charles Grob last week won FDA approval
>for his study, expected to take place at the 
>campus in two months.

wow...
all i can say is...

LOOK AT WHERE I GO...
muhahahhahahah

"Ec stasy... you really get me going..."


and i even know his e-mail address



--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
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From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: LSD Murder
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:49:55 GMT

I've been reading about this in the Globe, which also persists in
calling the murder "poisoning."  What actually happened is the guy was
dosed and he had a heart attack.  None of the articles I have read has
mentioned how much a dose he actually got.
From: mcbeeb@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: HEMP PAPER! ORDER NOW! HERE'S HOW!
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:35:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1301300204@igc.apc.org> Paul Stanford <treefreeeco@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>   There is a paper made from 50% hemp (cannabis) and 50% straw, sold by a
>  company in Portland, Oregon. We are  "Tree Free EcoPaper". If you want a
>  sample of this paper, more information, and independent lab certif
>free sample of this paper, more info, and lab certification of the
>  fiber content you may leave an e-mail message on Eco-Net address: treefreeeco.
>You can call us toll free at 1-800-775-0225, or write us at: Tree Free EcoPaper;
> 121 S.W. Salmon, #1100;  Portland, OR.  97204. We'll send sample packs 
>  anywhere in the world. We do mail orders and accept Visa and Master Card.
> We sell both cases and reams of 8.5" x 11", note pads, and stationery packs.
> Wholesale and retail inquiries are welcome.  Tree Free EcoPaper is the world's
> only company manufacturing and supplying hemp fiber, nonwood paper. We hope
> to hear from YOU. Save the world's forests. A waste product from hemp fiber
> production makes more than 4 times more paper per land area than trees. Get
> Tree Free EcoPaper, 50% hemp and 50% straw. Our paper uses 90% less chemicals
>in its production than any other paper. Save our bioshere.
>  . Tree Free EcoPaper.
>

I just noticed something in the latest Consumer Reports: "Trees used for paper
are usually grown on tree farms for that purpose and are harvested at
sustainable rates.  Virtually no paper comes from the logging of ancient,
irreplacable forests."

Now I know Consumer Reports isn't really a primary source on this, but I
tend to trust them.  Comments anyone?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: More misinformation????(X-stasy)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:47:52 GMT

veggie@works.uucp (The Deth Volkswagen) writes:
>Once again, I emphasize, there have never been ANY confirmed reports of 
>deaths from overdose of actual LSD.

Someone did actually post a medical abstract of one.  However there were
some questions, and some things that didn't quite seem to add up.

But that is kind of a nit-picky detail.

The basic point that its damn near impossible (like getting struck by
lightning or worse) to O.D. on LSD still stands.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: help me!
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:47:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.104256.6571@nwnexus.WA.COM> farif@halcyon.com (David John Kunz) writes:

>According to Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw in _Life Extension:  A
>Practical Scientific Approach_, "Niacin is intimately involved in brain
>metabolism.  Large dosages of niacin, C, and B-6 have been effective in
>the treatment of schizophrenics.  Niacin can be used as a safe treatment
>for bad drug trips with LSD and other psychedelics and possibly PCP.
>About one hour after a dose of niacin (which may range from 1 to several
>grams), a hallucinating and frightened tripper may be calm and
>communicating."

IMHO this is the kind of vaguely worded statement which makes P&S
a poor source of information.  Either they're bad writers or they
don't really know what they're talking about and being vague to
avoid being wrong.  

Personally, I suspect that this is simply the placebo effect.  Without 
large samples and statistical analysis, conclusions are hard to
draw.  The only reference I have found supporting the use of niacin
in calming trippers is just a letter published in the 1960s.
Unless there's better evidence I'm going to remain very skeptical.
A tripper's attitude and emotions can change a lot in an hour
regardless of any interventions.

   --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Sodium Pentatol - availability
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.032452.22798@netcom.com>, djohnsen@netcom.com (Don "nod" Johnsen) writes:
>My wife and I were having a debate regarding the recently defeated measure 161
>in California, the right-to-die bill. I stated that methods of suicide, 
>including effective medical ones, are already available to those who wish to
>look hard enough.
>
>Ideas regarding other appropriate methods of demise would be welcomed.
>
>Sorry that it's not much of a recreational substance (or topic for that 
>matter.)

Check out alt.suicide.holiday.  A frequent poster from Canada recently
purchased 100g of reagent-grade KCN for $70.  It's too late to ask him
where, though.  He went and ate 1.5g of it...

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Brands of LSD
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:01:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

Apologies accepted.  No hard feelings.  =)  I'm more educated now!
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Butane huffers?!
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:31:20 -0500

In article <Bwtsx6.JsH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kari@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kari) writes:
>
>Years ago, a friend of mine inhaled butane.  The kind you fill your lighters
>with...  Anyone have a clue as to the mechanisms and side effects of his/her
>huffing?
>Thanks,
>	Kari

	This butane kick has gotta go ! The primary effect is caused
	by anoxia - severe deprivation of oxygen. Anoxia causes
	brain damage and may cause sudden cardiac rhythm disorders
	even in very healthy people resulting in death. At least
	half a dozen kids have dropped dead just in my general news
	area over the past year because of butane. 

	Light hydrocarbons have a slight anesthetic effect - that is
	they make you kinda dizzy. However, with gaseous hydrocarbons
	like butane, there is too much temptation to suck the pure
	fumes ... and that means no oxygen, or not much. If you know
	of anyone who gets their kicks this way - find them something
	else to do ... beer, reefer, whatever - but convince them to
	stop with the inhalants !

-- Jim Mason