HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:33:17 GMT

In article 1427100037@igc.apc.org, lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:
>
>Girls *do* get attacked on school playgrounds often
>enough.  I personally was attacked from first through
>eighth grade.  I fought back every time, and made
>sure no blow went unreturned, but my attackers both
>outweighed me (I had skipped a grade) and outnumbered
>me.
>
>Lynn Gazis-Sax


Boys get abused by girls, too. At least I did.
I did the Ghandi thing because I would have been in trouble for
picking fights with girls. I hope the sexual equality movement
has changed that. 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:32:37 GMT
Summary: vomiting while in labor


Just a question from a soon-to-be-first-time-mom:

Is vomiting while in labor a given?  Does every woman throw up during
labor?  Also heard that one's body eliminates wastes out of both
ends while in labor.  True for everyone?  Is this the body's natural
response, to get rid of foreign material in the body to have the most
room in the body (stomach and intestines) for the actual pushing 
and delivery?  Seems like a good theory to me....

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Smoke detectors
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:53:39 GMT

Having recently been awakened by our smoke detector, I am
an avid believer in them.  Had we not woken up the house
would have been more serioulsly damanged, and someone 
could have been injured or killed.  Hard wired detectors
are not good, because if it is an electrical fire the
electricity can go out and the detector never goes off.
I have heard there are detectors that are wired and then
have a battery back up.  We have made ourselves a promise
to check them the first of each month.  We also went out
the next day a bought two fire extinguishers, one for the
kitchen and one upstairs.  The bedroom is now back to
normal and you would never know there is a fire, except
we still remember it.  

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:14:34 GMT

I have a 14 year old child who has been diagnosed with ADD.  He was diagnosed
when he was 12 years old by my doctor.  The funny thing is the teachers
didn't believe he had ADD.  They said it could be possible.  They more or
less said he was a problem child.  I decided that there was more than just
being a problem child when they told me he was constantly interrupting class
and swinging from the coat racks.  My doctor was very good with him and
kept constant watch over his medication.  He informed the school to contact
him immediately whenever he would get into trouble so that he could talk with
him.  He tried Ritalin first but he does not like to use Ritalin and my
son hated it because some kids at school found out he was on it and teased
him about having to take a chill pill every day.  My doctor has him on
Pamelor.  It is an anti-depressant and he said he gets extremely good
result from it.  He said he uses it on most of his kids who has ADD.  My son
seem to like it much better.  Has anyone ever heard of this medication and
could anyone give me any background on this medication being used for ADD?
I have no problem with it right now.  It seems to be working very well.
Are there any kind of side effects that anyone knows about?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rajive@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Rajive Bagrodia)
Subject: 3 yr old birthday party
Originator: rajive@lanai.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:43:58 GMT


Would appreciate suggestions for games and activities for Rohini's
third birthday.  We expect about 
12-15 kids from about 2 to 4 years.  Thanks

Rajive Bagrodia
rajive@cs.ucla.edu


Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Summary: This is being crossposted, watch out
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:46:42 GMT

In article <LOWRY.92Oct7103712@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>> In article <1at09jINN8m9@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>>> [description of playground run-in who felt that Diane's son Dylan
>>> should have pushed back when his own son, twice Dylan's side,
>>> pushed him]
>>
>> [dutton follows up with usual drivel]
>
> [Andy gets offended]

Just a side note to you misc.kid'ers: this thread is being x-posted to
soc.singles, one of the more flame-heavy newsgroups.  I strongly suggest
that if you want to discuss this seriously you should remove soc.singles
from the newsgroups line.

Note: I'm from s.s, so I won't see any followups to this.  If you wish
to make a comment directly to me, use e-mail.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Who needs Lime Jello [tm]?  We had lasagna.....
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.155754.13974@infonode.ingr.com>, palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer) writes...
> 
>I think the problem with Barbie saying "Math class is hard" is that if
>you push the button again, she's likely to say "Lets go to the mall"
>or "Lets order pizza."  1/2 :-)
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What? Order pizza and have a figure like she has?  8-)

                                Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:09:57 GMT

In a recent misc.kids article, hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com wrote:
>K. C. Kelly writes:
>>
>>Re: 4 year old daughter's class went down for their naps without
>>having their backs rubbed...
>>  
>>There are daycares/pre-schools who actually require 4 year olds
>>to take naps?  That *must* be a challenge, since kids that age
>>have so often outgrown the need for naps long ago.  My guess is
>>it the teachers who need naps and therefore ask the pre-schoolers
>>to do the same.
>
>
>I believe that it is the law for pre-schools (up to, not including
>kindergardens), at least in California.  I questioned this once last
>year when my son was in Pre-K and the answer was that they are required
>to do this by law.  Interesting enough, since my son is going to the
>same school for kindergarden and they mix the Pre-K groups and
>Kindergarden after the school part is done (1:00) they wanted the
>Kindergarden students to lie down with the Pre-K.  I registered a
>compliant since this keeps my son wide eyed and bushy tailed until
>10-11pm.  I pointed out to the director that my son was no longer
>required to take a nap since he was in kindergarden and she agreed to
>give him books and drawing material during the nap time instead.  

Between 1975 and 1984, I worked in summer camps in 5 states. All 5 had
laws requiring resident camps (ones where the kids sleep there) to
provide "rest hours" for *all* campers, up to the age of 18. 

The details varied from state to state, but the gist of it was that
you had to offer the opportunity to sleep for one hour in the early
afternoon. In general, the laws allowed older children to engage in
quiet activities in their tents/cabins/whatever. But smaller children
(in one state up to 8, in another up to 10, and I don't recall the
exact ages in the other three states) had to actually lie on their
beds and the counselors were required to ensure that no conversation
took place, so that those children who wanted/needed to sleep could
do so.

Kids always complained to their parents, and the parents often complained
to us, but we just kept a copy of the applicable law on hand to show them.
The laws were (except in NH, where it was part of the child labor act)
part of the health codes that camps had to comply with.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: First bicycle - when?
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:17:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <cindy.96@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:

>I realize that there isn't any magic age at which time a parent should 
>buy their child's first bicycle, but based on your *experience*, can anyone 
>recommend a general timeframe for when a child should be ready for their 
>first bicycle?  

I bought a bike for my son when he showed a real interest in them.
(I presume you are talking about bikes/trikes for a little one and
not just a two-wheeler for an older child).
At the time my son was not quite 18 months.  We got him a great
tricicyle that was well built and not likely to tip over (your
child will probably have a few spills until they figure things out).
At this point he was not pedaling, he just rode pushing his feet off the
ground, but he quickly learned how to pedal.
He had lots of fun from the moment he first got the bike!

Johanne 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: schulman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jan Schulman)
Subject: RE: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:58:34 GMT

In article 1@stsci.edu, mryan@stsci.edu () writes:
>My 10-year-old son Eddie, who has always had trouble making friends, is now
>being actively ostracized by the other 5th-graders.  For example, when he
>sits down at a lunch table with other kids, they all get up and move to
>another table.  No one is overtly picking a fight with him, but they are
>excluding him from all activities at recess and lunchtime.

>Eddie said that one boy in his class plays with him every day at his
>after school daycare, but shuns him at school.  I told him to ask this boy
>why.  The boy's answer was, that he doesn't talk to Eddie at school because
>if he did "then Danny won't like me."  Danny seems to be the popular kid,
>admired by all the other kids, and I know he has called Eddie a "wimp".
>I don't know how actively Danny is orchestrating the ostracism.

My suggestion is to change class for him right away. The situation will
be better if popular Danny is not around. A good teacher might try to
help during class time but recess time or lunch time is the time the
teacher won't be able to observe and help. Not mention some teacher
might think it's your kid's personality or social skill needing polished. 

Kids follow the popular kid all the time. If the popular kid picks up a
target, it will be through the school year most of the time. Your kid
will suffer a lot. He really can't help himself in this situation
even if he is not shy or not sensitive. 

Don't believe : the situation will be getting better if he learns more 
how to deal with it. Or outside social activities will help him to be 
not shy. Or he will be the target anyway, he needs to be strong...etc. 

He doesn't have to suffer to learn his lesson.
Help him now!
                                     An experience mom.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: PBS: Secret City w/ Mark Kistler
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 23:53:05 GMT

Do you watch KQED, KTEH, or KSCM in the Bay Area?  About 2 years ago there
was a show called Secret City.  It taught kids how to draw.  Does anyone
have information on what happened to this kid's show?  It was pretty good.
My 4 year old enjoys it, but we can't find it.

Sorry this went to the world, but my system doesn't allow limiting distrib-
ution

Chris
From: O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams)
Subject: Re: Teacher problem in public school system
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:09:28 GMT

In article <168794174.O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams) writes:
 
>I have a child through Children Services Board that I have temporary custody
>of (and I'm in the process of obtaining legal custody of) who is having a
>problem in school with one of her teachers.  The teacher seems to find any
>and every reason to give her D's and F's and never gives this child any
>kind of respect.  I must explain some history regarding this teacher first.
>
>Three years ago my son had this teacher and there was a personality clash.
>She did not like my son because she said he would not apply himself.  My
>son was receiving D's and F's from her.  He ended up transferring to another
>school and received A's and B's for the same class.  (By the way this teacher
>teaches Honors English and Speech.) The very next year my daughter had the
>same teacher.  She asked my daughter if my son was her brother and she said
>yes.  From that day on my daughter had nothing but problems with this teacher.
>My daughter was an honor student getting A's and B's in all of her classes
>except this one.  She received D's and F's in this class.  She taught the
>class about ethnic slurs and stated that she felt Jungle Bunnies was very cute
>and funny.  My daughter told her she didn't feel that was cute nor funny.  She
>told me that my daughter had a very serious attitude problem.  After several
>more problems I had a conference with the principal, the teacher and my husband
>and the outcome was that the principal felt I should report her to the
>Board of Education because after making all the teachers fill out progress
>reports on my daughter, she refused to do so.  All of her other teachers gave
>her very high citizenship marks and this teacher refused to fill it out at all.
>When the principal told her she must fill it out she gave her very low marks
>for citizenship.  I finally went to the Board of Education and sent several
>letters regarding her conduct.  But, by then my daughter was ready to graduate.
>
>Now my youngest daughter has her and so does my daughter that I'm obtaining
>custody of.  She has already started giving them problems.  I need to do
>something before it gets too far into the school year.  Does anyone have
>any solutions legal or otherwise?  I'm afraid my daughters will suffer with
>their grades if I don't do something soon.
>
>By the way, my adopted daughter gave a speech that we (my family) all helped
>her with from an article out of the newspaper and she gave her an F because
>she said she was protesting.  This was the day after open house.  Open house
>was the day that this teacher found out that I had guardianship of my
>soon to be adopted daughter.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25415 soc.singles:27164
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 09:29:36 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks for the NE Picnic!

aigh!  i'm an idiot!  peggy, not judy!  no idea HOW i typed that!
mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

                                        -ailsa
                                         getting out the sackcloth
                                         and ashes...
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Toddler Furniture
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:18:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gepMODy00iUxM1P245
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>...  If anybody wants to post comments
>on why they like/dislike their picnic table, table and chairs,
>desk and chair, etc., we'd be most appreciative.
 
We don't have a kid-sized table & chairs, but from what we've seen/used
at friends houses, the best thing I've seen for the smaller kids seems
to be the all-in-one picnic table, rather than a table & separate
chairs.  The younger kids don't seem to balance quite as easily as older
children & there's more tendency to fall off the chairs.  The picnic
benches, on the other hand, can't be rocked back or knocked over.  If
you have a horde of kids you want to use this with, small chairs are
usually available seperately & can be place at the ends of the table.  I
imagine you could fit 6 kids around the table when set up like this.
 
>I also would like to hear about easels -- they seem so expensive for all
>there is to them.
 
We were also disappointed at the high cost of easels, last Christmas,
when we had decided that that was what we wanted to get Mickey for his
big present.  We finally settled on the Little Tykes easel (about
$40-50, I think), which is a bit smaller than the others.  It has a clip
on one side for holding paper and a chalk board on the other side.  It
also has crayon & chalk trays, one on each side; these are removeable,
for easy cleaning.  It also comes with a large pad of paper, a small box
of chalk, and a chalk board eraser.  To supplement, we put extra chalk
and crayons in his stocking.  BTW, the trays are wide enough to hold a
Tupperware cup (we keep a lid on it to keep too much chalk dust from
getting in :)
 
The easel has gotten almost as much use as the small Little Tykes
crawl-thru/sliding board we got for him the previous Christmas (which
was the centerpiece of our living room for a year :-).  Since it has
paper on one side & the chalk board on the other, at least 2 kids can
use it at the same time, more if they are willing to share the board or
paper.  Also, it makes a great place to hide (by crawling under the
cross-supports on the sides), as a tent, etc.  It's VERY well balanced &
hard to pull over, which was a concern, since 2 of Mickey's best friends
are climbers/monkeys.
 
Hope this helps.  Good luck in your search.
 
Laura
From: adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Summary: places to live in the USA (ratings)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 08:38:32 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Oct15.165558.16275@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:

>> 1. Sioux Falls, S.D.
>> 2. Columbia, Mo.
>> 3. Austin, Tx
>> 4. Minneapolis/St. Paul
>> 5. Fargo, N.D.
>> 6. San Francisco, Ca
>> 7. Honolulu  
>> 8. Provo/Orem, Utah
>> 9. Gainesville, Fla.
>>10. Madison, Wis.
>>11. Bremerton, Wash.
>>12. Bryan, Tx
>>13. Galveston/Teaxs City
>>14. Duluth, Minn.
>>15. Oakland

>Also ...what happened to 16-20?  ...just curious.
>
>diana

There you go:

  16. Houston
  17. Raleigh/Durham, N.C.
  18. Boston
  19. Phoenix
  20. Brownsville, Texas


   Cheers,
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Summary: places to live in the USA (ratings)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:47:35 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct15.165558.16275@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>>2. Factors
>>
>>3. The Top 20 Places from Money Magazine
>>
>>I list the top 20 places from Money magazine. Note, however, that
>>different sources using different criteria come up with quite
>>different results AND there seems to be quite a change for individual
>>places from year to year (e.g. Oakland: 103 last year, 15 in 1992)
>>which might suggest that they do a lot of improvements but it might
>>also suggest weak evaluation criteria.
>>
>> 1. Sioux Falls, S.D.
>> 2. Columbia, Mo.
>> 3. Austin, Tx
>> 4. Minneapolis/St. Paul
>> 5. Fargo, N.D.
>> 6. San Francisco, Ca
>> 7. Honolulu  
>> 8. Provo/Orem, Utah
>> 9. Gainesville, Fla.
>>10. Madison, Wis.
>>11. Bremerton, Wash.
>>12. Bryan, Tx
>>13. Galveston/Teaxs City
>>14. Duluth, Minn.
>>15. Oakland
>
Bremerton???? The city that looks like an industrial waste dump?
Fog, cold, rain, and ugly?

Sheesh.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,alt.parents-teens,alt.activism,k12.t
From: ndallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: AFT Endorses Model Child Labor Law
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:42:39 GMT


Here is a press release from the American Federation of Teachers.

 AFT Endorses Model Child Labor Law
 To: National Desk
 Contact: Ellen Shearer of the American Federation of Teachers,
          202-879-4458

   WASHINGTON, Oct. 14  -- Gregory Humphrey, director of the 
American Federation of Teachers' Legislation Department, said
today the Child Labor Coalition's new model child labor law is a
"beacon that points the way toward ensuring that those of our youth
who must work don't forego educational opportunities."
   Humphrey, speaking at a news conference announcing the new legal
model for states, said, "The AFT has been active for years in pushing
to end child labor abuses.  We believe the principal job of our
nation's children should be their education.  But those who must work
should be guaranteed conditions that further their education and are
safe and healthful."
   "The AFT supports the coalition's model child labor law and will
send copies to our state federations," said Humphrey, who also is
executive assistant to the AFT president and secretary-treasurer.
   "We have supported efforts in Congress to amend the Fair Labor
Standards Act to address child labor abuses," he said.  "While this
legislation has not been enacted so far, we are hopeful that a new
administration will lead to its enactment in the future."
   The AFT, a member of the Child Labor Coalition, represents 796,000
teachers, paraprofessionals and school-related personnel, higher
education faculty and staff, nurses and health care professionals,
and state and municipal employees.
   Copies of the AFT's award-winning article, "Children Who Labor"
(American Educator, Summer 1989), are available by calling the AFT
Public Affairs Department at 202-879-4458.
 -30-

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: uneaten lunches
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:16:02 GMT

I'm not keeping up with this discussion, so please pardon the late 
suggestion. 

If you're looking for interesting lunch ideas, you may want to 
consult the Vegetarian Lunchbasket, available through Motherwear. 
I don't have the book in front of me, so I hope I got the 
title right. 

--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:14:23 GMT

In Fall River, MA, there's a Doctor who's name is Marcellene Doctor.

Dr. Doctor

Denise