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From: alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Subject: Re: Kasparov vs. Letterman 1990
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:24:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.011219.20666@vpnet.chi.il.us>, mox@vpnet.chi.il.us
(William Moxley) writes:
> In article <9209091924.AA25383@econ.berkeley.edu> jeff@econ.Berkeley.EDU
> (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
> >
> >During the '90 World Championship match, Kasparov played a correspondence
> game 
> >against David Letterman on Late Night.  Does anybody have the moves to that
> >game?
> 
> I don';t have that game, but would love to get it.  During this match
> Kasparov supposedly never used a board.

As if it would really matter. A player over 2100 should not have any problem
playing blind games of 30 min per player.



-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Deparment of Computer Science                       University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: spassky's motivation, fischers spirit
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:02:09 GMT

Hi,
	in the discussion so far people have been looking at Spassky's 
recent results as an indication of his strength. I think this ignores the 
possibility that a person may "get up for a particular match" and play over 
his head. Imagine the motivation Spassky has after being rescued from 
oblivian.  
	Another intersting thing is the very fact that Fischer is so mellow 
(I thought he would quit when he lost the second time) may be an indication 
of the loss of his fighting spirit. In the old days he used to go crazy, 
now he  just spouts platitudes...

	By the way, Sports Illustrated said that the woman who was 
identified as his fiancee is just a friend. The woman said she thought the 
organizers just used their friendship as a hype.

rlwilliams
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer's next opponent
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:32:40
Organization: CSUA/UCB
	<1992Sep8.135755.24761@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: mapmef@gdr.bath.ac.uk's message of 8 Sep 92 13:57:55 GMT

    Assuming that Fischer beats Spassky then who would be suitable as a
    next opponent for him? Ideally they would have to satisfy the
    following criteria:

I have heard from a generally well-informed source that Fischer
and Anand have already made arrangements for a post F-S-2 match.
Everything was set up before F-S-2 began.  Of course, if Fischer
doesn't beat Spassky decisively, Fischer-Anand seems likely to
lose the interest of the backers.
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From: sigurdg@ifi.uio.no (Sigurd Gl{rum)
Subject: Re: Scoring on the Fischer, Spassky game
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:57:37 GMT
Originator: sigurdg@brenna.ifi.uio.no


In article <14SEP199209371095@rigel.tamu.edu>, kbs4580@rigel.tamu.edu (SCHAUB, KEITH BRADLEY) writes:
> Scoring goes as follows:
> 	wins =1
>         losses =0
>         draws  =0
> first person to 10 games wins.
> At the moment Fischer leads 3-2.
> 

From what I have heard Fischer demanded that he should win
the match in case of a 9-9 tie, effectively giving him a
2 point advantage since Spasskij must score at least 10-8
in order to win.  Fischer wanted the same advantage in
defending his championship 20 years ago against Karpov, but
this was of course refused.

Sigurd Gl{rum
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From: kudu@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dr. GeeKay)
Subject: Re: Fischer
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:00:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary

In article <18m0reINN9id@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> wjames@cse.ucsc.edu (John Amenta) writes:
>So the legendary Fischer stumbles and falls after a 20 year
>hiatus.  Will he get back up?  Can genius restore itself after
>such a long time?

It is now clear that Bobby came back to international chess to collect the
last 1.3 million he would be able to make. (He is going to lose, of course,
and get 1.3 million of the 5 million prize money.) I think he had a 
fairly good idea that his chess ability had deteriorated, and wanted to
make the best of whatever ability he had left. 

>-wj
>


-- 
Dr. GeeKay (kudu@enel.UCalgary.CA)
From: pope@walnut.kpc.com (John Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: fischer-spassky
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:06:06 GMT
	<1992Sep9.004215.2404@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.

bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines) writes:
>   Kasparov found FIDO impossible to change or just not wortk changing, and
>   Formed the GMA (Grandmasters' Association) to work around it.  The GMA is
>   now held to be far more legitimate than FIDO.

Nope. Kasparov dissociated himself from the GMA quite a while ago
(amid many recriminations from both sides) and is now quite chummy
with his former nemesis, F. Campomanes, president of FIDE.  The GMA
is, at best, floundering, and the World Cup series is rapidly
going/gone down the toilet for this and other reasons (those
interested in the gory details should consult New In Chess magazine or
Inside Chess over the last year or so).
--
John Pope
pope@kpc.com
Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc.
(408) 987-3362
From: schleize@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Anthony D. Schleizer)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Chess Club in Austin??
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:16:42 GMT
Reply-To: schleize@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Anthony D. Schleizer)

I just started grad school at UT-Austin, and was wondering if there is a
chess cluba at the school. If so, when does it meet? If not, does anyone
know if there is a club in the city. Thanks.
					Tony
From: tbont@ep.ieee.org (Thomas Bontrager)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer-Spassky 4, please
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:51:59 GMT
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

Somehow the original f-s 4 score was wiped off of my news site.
Would someone please email same to me? Thanks a mil..

Tom
From: bugbyter@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Pierre Seguret)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: NIC BASE 3.0
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:41:56 GMT
Organization: Minix User Group France

I'm looking for NIC BASE 3.0 for PC computer...
Is anyone could help me ???
-- 
Pierre Seguret
Etudiant Epita (Systeme et reseaux)
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky - Game 4 - the mistake
Keywords: New World Champion
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:02:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Sep7.170901@IASTATE.EDU> haefner@IASTATE.EDU (Ralph I Haefner) writes:
>In article <palane.715900547@vincent2.iastate.edu>, palane@iastate.edu (Paul A.
>Lane) writes:
>> A battle does not make a war, a game does not make a match, an olive does not
>> make a martini . . .
>
>Once again my fellow cyclone is way off the mark.  The point is that Fischer
>wants to be considered World Champion.  For this to be legitimate he would
>have to play Kasparov.  And the only way to force Kasparov into playing him
>is to so decisively defeat Spassky that there is no question Fischer deserves
>the shot.  The current score  +1 -1 =2 does nothing to show Fischer is 
>deserving of a chance to play Kasparov.
>
>Ralph

On the contrary.  Fischer started his 1972 match with a non-spectacular
0-2 before getting in gear and proving he was deserving of the world 
title.  No one said he was "unworthy" of being in the championship match
back then.  His final 4 game margin of victory was pretty one-sided by 
modern standards.  This match is in much too early a stage for any
final conclusions to be drawn - surely you're not suggesting that
Fischer must win every game to be vindicated, are you?  Even Kasparov 
would probably lose a few to Boris if he played him often enough, and
never mind a 20 year layoff.

And I'd claim that Bobby's blunder in the first game against Spassky in 
the '72 match was worse than his play in game 4 of this match.  Give the 
man a chance.  If he is truly deserving of a chance to play Kasparov 
(never mind whether such a match would actually take place), we'll know 
it by the end of this match...

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From: malla@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Jagannadh Malla)
Subject: places where chess is played
Reply-To: malla@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Jagannadh Malla)
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: ord
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:56:10 GMT

Hi folks,
I play chess occasionally. I am wondering if any of you would give me some
pointers as to where I could meet people who play chess, at Chicago. 

During a recent visit to Minneapolis, I found two cafes where I saw a 
number of people sipping coffee and playing chess. Are there any such places 
around Chicago? If so I would like to know where they are located. Are there 
any in the north, north-west suburbs  of Chicago?

Thanks in advance
Jaggie
 


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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: More name pronunciation
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:24:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.033412.18950@u.washington.edu> harold@byron.u.washington.edu (Harold Bobroff) writes:
>   Has "Maroczy" yet been mentioned?  I've pondered that one for quite 
>some time.  Speaking of whom, I read a piece in a local rag which claimed
>that Viktor Korchnoi had recently defeated Maroczy in a match played via a
>medium of some sort!  According to the article, Maroczy died in 1951.  Is 
>this story for real?   

Maroczy is pronounced MAR-otsy. For matches with ghosts, I couldn't care less.

Sven
From: jl8f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph S Ligon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chessmaster 3000 - questions
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:21:10 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>I'm an intermediate player and like my Chessmaster 3000 from Software
>Toolworks.  Two problems:
>
>a) I'd really like to get rid of the annoying 15-20 second wait for
>the fancy artwork to go away before it gets to the playing board--any
>way to do that that a non-engineer could understand?

There's a file that does the artwork and a file that goes directly to
the playing board.  I don't have my copy of Chessmaster 3000 with me now
and I can't remember what these files are called, but the playing board
file is a .exe file. Once you find out the name of that file (I think
there's only 2 .exe files in the whole program), type the file name
(omitting the .exe) and you'll go directly to the playing board.
From: cat@wixer.cactus.org (Dr. Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Problem with computers; process vs. product
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:53:04 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications


   Bravo!  I'm a professional computer game designer, and I have to say I
wish more people in my industry shared your opinions about process vs.
product.  The computer chess programs all try to boast in their advertising
about which one has the strongest algorithm, all happily ignoring the fact
that most of the have been good enough to slaughter most of their potential
customers for years, and that most of their customers wouldn't play anything
as slow as their highest skill levels anyway.  The real problem with most
chess programs is that even their >lowest< skill level will beat any novice.
And if you want to sell many copies, you sure ought to make the game fun for
novices, because they outnumber serious chess players in this world by a
whole bunch!  With all the effor to do something as hard as playing Master
level chess, would it be so difficult to add some lower skill levels where
the computer makes stupid moves that leave pieces en pris?  More varieties of
playing style would be good too - the player should choose from computer
opponents that have different names & graphic portraits.  None of them have
to be very good, just so long as they all behave dramatically differently.
   The one chess program that's done something significant to enhance the
process is Battle Chess.  Functionally, it does nothing different from any of
the others.  But graphically, it gives the players cool cartoons to watch
every time a piece is captured - and people find that entertaining.  A number
of people who don't even play chess have gotten copies of it and fooled
around just to see some of the cartoons.  Interplay has a sequel in the works,
 with a science fiction theme.  Hats off to 'em.
Organization: Doctoral student, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 16:36:27 -0400 
From: Oliver Schulte <os22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PanAm Collegiate this year: when?

Hi everyone,

can someone please tell me where the PanAmerican Collegiate Championship
is being held this year?

Thanks a lot,
Oliver

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From: tasst2+@pitt.edu (Teri A Sobolik)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer's mom
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:39:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92256.223032U13054@uicvm.uic.edu> U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard Wachtel) writes:
>>
>>Fischer's mother *is* Jewish.
>
>   You say "is" instead of "was"--is his mother still alive?  If so, I
>wonder if she's been interviewed recently or what she thinks of this
>whole situation.

Fischer's mother is still alive; what's more Fischer's girlfriend Zita
said in an interview posted on USA Today news service that she has met
Fischer's mother.  She declined however to comment on what she was like
or on any of Fischer's mother's opinions.  Zita also said she is not
Fischer's fiance, just his girlfriend.  I wonder what effect Zita is 
having on this match.

Jerry Meyers
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Looking for Feenschach and Umnov
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Date: 5 Sep 92 12:13:45 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department
Keywords: Feenschach, Umnov

Anybody know how I can contact

1) the magazine _Feenschach_ ("Fairy Chess")

2) the problemist Umnov ?

Thanks,
--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University
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From: rdisi@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl (Renzo Romano Disi Chavez)
Subject: GAME 5 F-S
Originator: rdisi@cecux1
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 20:42:30 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile




    Moves from 5 game Fischer- SpasskY
 
   from Valkyries.andrew.cmu.edU
  
        White                  Black 
	-----                  -----
	P/e2-e4                P/e7-e5       
	N/g1-f3                N/b8-c6       
	B/f1-b5                p/A7-A6       
	B/b5-a4                N/g8-f6        
	o-o                    B/f8-e7        
      r/f1-e1                P/b7-b5       
	B/a4-b3                P/d7-d6       
	P/c2-c3                o-o       
	P/h2-h3                N/c6-b8       
	P/d2-d4                N/b8-d7        
	N/b1-d2                B/c8-b7        
	B/b3-c2                R/f8-e8       
	N/d2-f1                B/e7-f8        
	N/f1-g3                P/g7-g6       
	B/c1-g5                P/h7-h6        
	B/g5-d2                P/e5-d4       
	P/c3-d4                P/c7-c5        
	P/d4-d5                N/d7-b6       
	B/d2-a5                N/f6-d7       
	P/b2-b3                B/f8-g7        
	R/a1-c1                Q/d8-f6       
	R/c1-b1                P/b5-b4       
	N/g3-e2                Q/f6-e7       
	P/a2-a3                P/b4-a3       
	B/a5-c3                P/f7-f5       
      B/c3-g7                Q/e7-g7       
      N/E2-f4                P/f5-e4       
	N/f3-h4                P/g6-g5       
	N/f4-e6                Q/g7-f6       
	Q/d1-g4                N/b6-d5       
	N/e6-g5                P/h6-g5       
	Q/g4-d7                N/d5-b4       
	Q/d7-b7                N/b4-c2        


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From: schoof@dec8.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof)
Subject: Re: Fischer The God
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:41:11 GMT

From article <10SEP199218012074@zeus.tamu.edu>, by kbs4580@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAUB, KEITH BRADLEY):
[some lines deleted]
> 	If anyone will recall. The USSR was changing the rules whenever and
> however they wanted to in order to gain an advantage. That was obviously
> visible when Karpov was the champion. He'd get sick whenever he was down.
> Fischer really believed that if you drew a game that you should not get 1/2
> a point. If this were the case, someone could win 1 match an d then draw the
> rest and remain champion. What kind of crap is that. You should only be 
> champion if you can beat the other guy, not if you can play as well or nearly
> as well as the other guy.
[some lines deleted]

Well, Karpov got sick one time, though he was down four times since
then. Of course the 1984/85 match has to be called manipulated, but 'til
that date the matches were played like you say Fischer wanted them: Only
wins counted, draws were ignored. What Fischer really wanted in 1975 was
an advantage of one point when claiming he'd keep being world champion
when tying 9-9 which meant he only needed 9 points to win, but Karpov
would have needed 10. If you think this is fair sports, I can't help it.
All the things told about Karpov are also true for Fischer. They both
think (or at least thought) that the championship was their personal
possetion and they could do with it what they wanted. But these times
have passed since 1948. One thing is for sure: Fischer WAS a great
chess-player, but he was NEVER a fair sportsman.

- Jochen

-- 
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From: jeff@econ.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Subject: re: F-S II Game 8: analysis
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:32:52 GMT


In article 16355, jhc@m2111.uucp (James H. Coombs) writes:

>>If only Deep Thought could see its way through the complications, then
>>we need another word to describe missing the correct move in such 
>>dense positions.

>Zarkov saw it, playing at about 2300 USCF.  I don't think it had to go
that deep either. -Jim

Ah yes, but that doesn't mean that Spassky blundered if we take blunder to 
mean misanalyze the position far worse than a 2300 player would.  True,
Zarkov has found the better continuation than Spassky found, but the
question is did Zarkov assess its position as better.  Or put differently
comparing the position resulting from 33. Qc3 and that arising from
33. Rc6 does Zarkov *greatly* favor 33.Qc3?  My guess is that even after
33. Qc3, Zarkov considered black slightly better as did CM 3000 (which
I know, hawever, is weaker than Zarkov)
	The critical test is whether Zarkov preferred the position following
33. Qc3 to its preferred move on mve 31.  Did Zarkov favor 31. Rc1?  I bet
that even if it saw 31. Rc1 with the continuation 33. Qc3, it would have
rejected Rc1 and never reached a position in which 33. Qc3 was a 
possibility.
	So I guess what im saying is that we need to ask if 31. Rc1 is 
strictly speaking a blunder.  From the point of view of an entity with
a short horizon of foresight such as me, Zarkov, and presumably Spassky
it appears to be so, but to Deep Thought II it is a brilliancy.  Here's 
where perhaps we need a new terminology.
From: bw081@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ali Engin Aydar)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Rating of Radio Shack 1650
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:43:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


That Radio Shack 1650 is no where near 1650.  My USCF rating is
1372 and I can beat it every time......I would give it about a
1200 rating....but I am not sure.  Perhaps I get lucky.  Don't 
know...and I am in now way putting this computer down.  It can
get a lot of novices to an intermideate level.

-- 
Ali Aydar
bw081@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Subject: Re: Pawn Power In Chess
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:53:36 GMT

In article <Michael_Ledet.0pp2@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Michael_Ledet@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Michael Ledet) writes:
>I just bought "Pawn Power In Chess" by Hans Kmoch and would appreciate any
>comments of the quality and or usefulness of this book in furthering ones
>chess knowledge.  I am rated about 1600 USCF, so should I put this book
>aside for now and stick to tactics?  All comments appreciated.
>
IMO, this is an excellent book.  Lots of useful information which
will help you form solid plans.  The intro stuff is quite useful
for beginners.  The benoni section is of course interesting for me :-)
Practice tactics AND read this book.
-benoni
From: alph@wsinfo01.win.tue.nl (G.J.W. Hagenaars)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: fischer-spassky
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: alph@win.tue.nl

kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:

>varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:

>>In article <19925.783.9788@dosgate> "lisa powell" <lisa.powell@canrem.com> writes:
>>>DC> z    Subject: Fischer-Spassky
>>
>>>DC> My question is - Is the reappearance of Bobby Fischer going to be
>>>the chess story of the decade? 
>>
>>It already is.

>Well, the decade still lasts for approximately eight years...

Okay, let's call it the chess story of the century.
(Note: not the most important match, the most important story!)

Gert-Jan Hagenaars
alph@win.tue.nl
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From: bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines)
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky - Game 4 - the mistake
Keywords: New World Champion
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 23:19:03 GMT


Why would Fischer have to play Kasparov in order to be considered champion?
Karpov, sure, then maybe Kasparov.  If he must play Kasparov, though, he
must certainly play Short or Timman next.  After that, he'd have to play
somone else.....





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From: wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick)
Subject: POC Dayton, OH chess
Organization: Self-similar
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:44:48 GMT


Rumor has it that there is a chess club in Dayton, OH.  Does anybody
have a point of contact (POC) for such?  Thanks in advance.

Regards,

-- 
Will Bralick                          |  If we desire to defeat the enemy,
             wbralick@afit.af.mil     |  we must proportion our efforts to 
             bralick@cs.psu.edu       |  his powers of resistance.
with disclaimer;  use disclaimer;     |               - Carl von Clauswitz