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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Officers breaking the law (was Re: Another lying police incedent
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:01:15 EDT
Organization: Surely you jest

nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:

> The reason why I was making "an issue of his being in front of" me was
> because he was *speeing himself*.  The problem is police officers who 
> hold themselves to be above the laws they are enforcing.  Police officers 
> are free to break any number of laws, and get away with it because they 
> are police officers.  My problem was not that I got the ticket, but the 
> hypocracy of the police officer, who was speeding, turning around and 
> giving *me* a ticket for speeding.  If he was going to give me a ticket, 
> he a) shouldn't have been speeding himself or b) should have given himself 
> a speeding citation as well.

a) fat chance, and, b) when hell freezes over.

Right or wrong, cops aren't subject to the same laws that you and I are. 
I know several cops, and they regard the right to drive at any safe speed 
as a kind of "employee discount".

Let's face it; the law in these cases is irrelevant - you've just got to 
watch your own butt. Traffic court judges usually know most of the cops 
in their jurisdiction on a first-name basis, and will side with them even 
when it's completely obvious that the cop is flat-out lying. You're just 
a violator, and should pay your money, and bow and scrape on the way outm 
, profusely thanking the judge for his mercifulness.

Me? I use a radar detector. I keep it at less than 10 over the limit when 
there's any possibility of getting nabbed. I stay in the right lane as 
much as possible, and am very wary of not having a good cover - lots of 
cars surrounding me to make it difficult to pick me out.
 
I drive a conservative-looking car, keep it clean, and no bumper stickers 
for me. Factory wheel covers, no tinted windows, and stock exhaust. 
 
It's not that I have any respect for traffic laws - I hold speed limits 
in the same contempt as those who "enforce" them - but it's a matter of 
economics; I like to drive as fast as I can, and I can't afford tickets.
> 
> Many, many people have lost all respect for officers of the law.  They
> have seen these officers too often disregard the laws for their own
> convenience.  If police officers want citizens to respect them, then
> they should behave as they would like others to behave.
>  


--
55: It's not a good idea - it's just the law.
The country needs them more than ever: Bill 'n' Opus in '92!
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From: 00124961@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Men and Women drivers :-)
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:53:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.194351.9185@pony.Ingres.COM>
dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) writes:
 
>
>ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:
>: From article <1992Jul20.181647.3237@pony.Ingres.COM>, by dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick):
>: >
>:
>: What fun!  I bet all the other drivers cheered you on too!  Have you
>: considered a career in professional racing?  Then other drivers who
>: weren't aware of your little tricks wouldn't be forced to share the
>: road with you.
>:
>
>It "felt real good" for a little while to put that idiot driver in his
>place and give him what he deserved.  However, the fun was spoiled by
>a sense of guilt followed by a resolve not to continue that practice,
>which you will notice if you read to the end of my first message.
>
>I feel no sympathy for anyone put in their place in this manner.  But,
>pumping up their adrenalin in this way would more likely make him buy
>a faster car than to become a safer more respectful driver.
>
>Our streets are not race-ways.  They are not to be confused with race-ways.
>In Nashville, you find folks that know what a turn-signal means.  They
>use it and know what it means when someone else uses it.  Here in California
>where folks do not know the difference between rights and wrongs, many
>drive like pigs eat--there's a turn signal "SQUEEEEEE"--cut him off quick!
>I'm comfortable, so I'll walk slow and wallow around in everybody's way.
>Get outta my way, I stuck my snout in there first...SQUEEEE, SNORT, SNORT...
>Sorta makes me wonder what Californian's are snorting anyway.  Same goes for
>New York.
>
>The point is, it "don't take brains to press a gas pedal", and "it don't
>take lotsa skill" to go faster--only a bigger engine.  If you want respect
>and status as a driver, then drive with dignity.  Respect turn signals.
>Use turn signals.  Drive at a reasonable speed--not too fast or too slow,
>and do not stop frozen in your own lane for half an hour waiting for the
>ideal hole to open up in the next lane--make your lane changes early.
>Be the best driver and not the worst driver on the street.  Use brains.
>
I said this last week and got flamed for it.  And I couldn't agree with you
more.
Chris.
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From: waco@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.l.broughton)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to AAA?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:54:51 GMT


>I've been less than thrilled with AAA for some time, especially
>in light of their reputation as an auto insurance company. I
>switched my auto insurance to Kemper several years ago, but I 
>am still a member of the AAA auto club, primarily to have
>emergency road service.
>
>Are there other large, well-established auto clubs offering
>this kind of service throughout the U.S.?
>
>Information very much appreciated.
>
>Alan
>asanders@adobe.com

I have belonged to the Amoco Motor Club for many years.  In my personal
opinion it offers better services at a much better rate than does AAA
(to which I did belong at one time).  Emergency road service is just one
reason to belong to a motor club; most insurance companies provide
towing service coverage.

One of my main reasons for belonging is that the club provides a up to $1,000
guaranteed arrest bond*.  My insurance company provides something like $50.00.

You may get information from the club by calling 1-800-334-3300.


  * Not accepted in CA; limited to $100 in IL; $200 in CT, ID, LA, MI, MS, NE,
    NJ, NM, OH, OR, PA, TX, UT, WI; $250 in GA; $300 in AL; $500 in MA, MD, NC,
    OK, SC, TN.


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From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Driving from Austin to Madison
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:25:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Akron


   Boy, how many times have I faced that question. My solution to that
problem was to read consumer reports and get a very highly rated dependable
car, to get a membership to an automobile association that assists on
highway breakdowns, and also to carry a tool box and an electical kit.
I also always travel on real good tires. But that won't help you because of
different situations, but I think I can still help. A couple of questions.,
How good are your tires? Is your car aligned? Are there any leaks in your
cooling system? When your transmission fluid was filled was the fluid red
and reasonably clear? Considering what you have done and if you have
answered yes to all of these questions your car sound pretty safe. But
for peace of mind if you have a mechanic you can trust let him look at
the car and ask his opinion on the trip. Carry a tool box, two quarts of
oil, water, antifreeze, flashlight, blanket, a candle in case you are in
the Tennesee mountains and get stranded. One candle in your car will keep
things from getting cold. A can of food would be a good idea. Don't push
Don't push you car on steep grades, if you cooling system is weak that
is where you will find out. If your car doesn't react well to the flow
of traffic get in the right lane and to a comfortable speed. Make sure
you have a good spare, and that you jack works O.K. This may sound like
overkill but the countryside is beautiful, you might as well enjoy it.
Hmmmmmmm is there anything else? I can't think of anything. If all of
this I said is done then I would have no problems whatsoever about making
the trip, it's gone 70,000, it should go a couple of g's more.
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:12:50 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
Summary: Clues on sale at K-mart this week
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Gentlemen and Ladies (presumably):

Usenet is for learning.  Some of us want to learn about driving.  
Others want to learn how to curse and hurl abuse more creatively.
I've adjusted the Followup line accordingly, based on an educated 
guess about the future prospects of this thread -- you're welcome
to adjust it back and prove me wrong.

Not naming names (but hopefully inspiring some private guilt),

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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Subject: Re: Really esoteric cars.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:37:03 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

(Derek Tearne) (Me) writes:
>>> 
>
>Sorry, wrong Ferrari.  I was thinking of the ones with 16 Cylinders and 
>the big holes in the sides.  Testosterono I think they are called.
>Oh the funny material is leather...


Whoops.  I meant 12 cylinders with 4 valves each.  I was thinking ahead of my
typing there.  The 16 cylinder car I was thinking of was the Cizeta Moroder 
- an esoteric car if ever there was one...  Has anyone out there seen one in
the flesh,  or even own one?

Derek "Typo's unlimited" Tearne
-- 
Derek Tearne  derek@icl.co.nz or derek@fivegl.co.nz --Fujitsu SDC,Auckland,NZ

My 'self aware' .signature file failed his Turing test.  
It turns out he was just a chess playing midget in a decorative box.
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From: mb7s@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Mikhail  Boukhny)
Subject: Re: how much insurance increases
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:03:45 GMT

I assume only liability insurance; they don't have deductibles usually.
Michael Boukhny.
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From: c31002wb@jezebel.wustl.edu (William Burris)
Subject: Re: Minivan Maniacs
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.181400.14613@access.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:

[bunch of stuff about greatly exceeding the speed limit deleted]

>
>flame set:  lukewarm
>
>I hope you folks never have to do emergency braking or maneuvering
>whilst moving at such speeds in your vans... 


Well I guess I should point out that I only travel at such idiotic speeds
when the road is clear of traffic.  This is usually traveling late at night/
early in the morning or on rarely used stretches of  highway where there 
isn't a town for hundreds of miles.  I think putting my own life at risk is
my choice (albeit stupid but...) but endangering the lifes of other motorists
is not my right.


-william

                           ||   Every four seconds a woman has a baby.       || William E. Burris          ||   Our problem is to find this woman and        || c31002wb@jezebel.wustl.edu ||   stop her.                                    || 
                           ||                                                ||  		      	   ||   Drawing on my fine command of the language,  ||                            ||         I said nothing.                        ||  
Washington University - St. Louis, Missouri (USA)
Department of Life
From: seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Officers breaking speed laws
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:23:44 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <1992Jul30.051224.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> dreuben@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>I sped up tp 90, so I could see them over the hill they had passed, and they
>were just racing each other, switching lanes without signalling, and apparently
>trying to beat the other to the exit at NJ-18 (Exit 9?) where the police
>station is (it is visible from the road....they must have hit the exit ramp at
>100 mph, but they didn't seem to care...So they get away with it all the time,
>although legally they can not do this and can be issued a summons just as
>regular motorists get. (There would also likely be some administrative action
>if this happend too often...)

Reminds me of the time I was passed by one of the Mustang 5.0 LXs on a 40MPH
road with the cop doing ~60.  I sped up to 80 and they were still leaving me
in the dust.  No emergency lights.  Along most of this road is a neighborhood.

I figure they got a call that dunkins was having a special on galzed, and they
were so excited they forgot the lights.

Sean
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From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Another lying police incedent...
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:23:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Jul22.130321.19638@mcnc.org>, by kk@mcnc.org (Krzysztof A. Kozminski):
> In article <1992Jul19.180246.5039@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:
>>From article <1992Jul18.192840.9900@Celestial.COM>, by bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell):
>>> I believe that it just as illegal for the cop to be driving over
>>> the speed limit as it is for a civilian unless they have their
>>> red/blue lights on.  Thus one could argue "Well the nice
>>> policeman must be obeying the law and his speedometer is
>>> calibrated so mine must be wrong....."
>>
>>If I were the judge and heard "I was driving in the left lane,
>>passing people, and then the policeman passed me, so I figured
>>that not only was my speedometer wrong, but also that everybody
>>else was driving *way* below the speed limit, so I decided to
>>speed up and follow the policeman, rather than cease driving
>>with suspected defective equipment, and then I thought maybe he
>>was going too fast after all, so I dived into the right lane",
>>I would have trouble keeping a straight face.
> 
> The proper argument is: "when my speedometer was showing 55*),
> everybody was passing me**), including a police car which was
> NOT in emergency/pursuit, hence since he was supposed to obey
> the same law, and his speedometer is calibrated ... etc"
> 
> *)  ... or whatever the speed limit is ...
> **) ... in 95% of highway traffic situations obviously true ...
> 
I didn't think she was prepared to make up a completely bogus story.
If she was, then I don't understand why she would be so irate about 
the supposed injustice.

She herself said that she was already speeding, so I don't know what
your ** above refers to.  Certainly 95% of the time people are not
passing *me* on the highway.

>> [That someone dumb enough to be entrapped in such a fashion should
>>  consider that flashing lights are a necessary precondition for
>>  police speeding is inconsistent].
>>
> You gotta be kidding or your standards of sophistication are unusually
> low.  Like the concept of 'everybody being equal under the law' was
> never discussed in the elementary school...

And you still believe this to be true?
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From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Subject: Re: Men and Women drivers :-)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:09:40 GMT

From article <1992Jul20.181647.3237@pony.Ingres.COM>, by dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick):
> 
> A year or so ago, if we were driving along peacefully and saw an arrogant
> idiot tailgating, racing, and pushing someone around on the freeway, I
> would tantellize and irritate the person mercilessly, get him to tailgate
> me, slow down until he turned on his bright lights, turn my center mirror
> to shine his light back into his eyes for a minute or two, and then blow
> him away on the straight away.  Then I would let him catch up just before
> a curve and watch him move as though he were going to pass me, and then I
> would blow him away in the curve, but only enough to keep him chasing me
> until the point where I had previously seen cops hide out, and then I would
> slow down just before that point and watch him zoom ahead.  And, my wife
> cheered me on.  And, she did pretty much the same when she was driving.
> (Needless to say, I *never* drive this way in Nashville or in most places
> outside California.)

What fun!  I bet all the other drivers cheered you on too!  Have you
considered a career in professional racing?  Then other drivers who
weren't aware of your little tricks wouldn't be forced to share the
road with you.

> Now that we have a little one on the way, I've slowed down and required
> seat belts, and I refuse to drive overly fast on the way to work.

Only now do you start wearing a seat belt?

> I just let the racers speed ahead and think what they want.

Good.

> However, as slow as I drive at this time, my wife still grabs my hand
> or knee at times and asks me to slow down.

And I'll bet you do it too.  Screeeech!  "How's 45 dear?"

> I guess we're turning into our parents!

But how will you teach the "little one" to drive?
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car? (Wong)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:52:44 EDT
Organization: Surely you jest

loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

> the place.  And if you think your real cool leaving patches of rubber at ever
> corner in your sporty little Mazda Miata or Paseo, lets see how cool you are 
> when you accidentally hit someone!

The only way either of these could leave a patch of rubber is if the 
tires exploded. :)

--
55: It's not a good idea - it's just the law.
The country needs them more than ever: Bill 'n' Opus in '92!
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From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:52:15 GMT

twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:

>In article <1992Jul17.212049.5298@qiclab.scn.rain.com> al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:
[...]
>crazy as those who owns a Suzuki Swift GT or a Geo Storm, thinking that
>they are driving an expensive _sports car_. And these little cars have a
>lot more kick to them than years ago. In fact, a lot of cars out there
>nowadays have a lot more kick to them than the econo cars of years past.
>Hence the young'ns out there all driving these _sporty_ little pocket
>rockets zips in and out and floors it whenever they can. And these are
>the people who are driving our insurance rates up because these cars
>can't handle like a sports car nor can they take the impact like a
>better build car. 

Agreed up to this point.

>I've seem more more Mustangs wrapped around a tree than Porsches. 

Hey, now! Don't go equating Mustangs with GEO Storms and Suzuki Swifts! Them's
fightin' words!! ;-)

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
From: f4ax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:00:08 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Jul21.165747.13259@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes: 
> From article <1992Jul21.004845.13968@fivegl.co.nz>, by derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):
>>
>> Rust is like Aids - it transfers itself to your car if the other car 
>> penetrates the paint... and once you've got rust it will _never_ go away.
>> 
> How do you get this?  You claim that if I put a rusty piece of
> iron next to an unrusty one for a couple of hours, that the clean
> one will somehow be infected?  The oxygen that is already bound
> to the iron in the rust will somehow jump off and move over to
> the other piece?  Why?
> 

Jeeeeeeeeeez!!!
Some people are just so clueless.  I think that the whole thing was not to be
taken literally, but for the potentiality of damage caused by scratch or
dent which removes paint.  The metal will begin to rust and it creates a weak
spot in your paint.  Even if you cover it up with touch-up paint, that's 
probably one of the first places the car is going to rust again in the future.
Eats the car up from that point out.  Do you get the analogy, do you know what
an analogy is???  You must be one of those people who had a 4.0 average in
school but suffered the eternal "F" in common sense.

	GET A CLUE!
	-Jason
From: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu (Tim McBrayer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Safe Driving
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:08:36 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Originator: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu


In article <1992Jul21.045845.9203@informix.com>, aland@informix.com
 (Colonel Panic) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul15.212129.887@btree.uucp> hale@btree.uucp 
  (Bob Hale) writes:
|> >In article <jimf.710618823@centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com 
   (Jim Frost) writes:
|> >[ much deleted ]
|> >>Remember that 55mph doesn't make the roads safe, it saves gas.
|> >                                                     ^^^^^^^^^
|> >This is a common misconception.  Many modern cars (and a few older
|> >high-performance ones) get better mileage at 65-80 than they do
|> >at 55.
|> >Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
|> 
|> Exactly which cars are these?  Air resistance is the chief culprit in
|> mileage decrease at high speed.  I seriously doubt that any car has been
|> proven to get better mileage at 65-80 than 55.  Do you have any research 
|> that backs this claim?
|> --
|> Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland
Well, my 1980 Mustang 4 cylinder exhibits this trait.  At 55-60 mph, my best gas
mileage is around 25-26 mpg.  At 65-70, I can get as high as 30 mpg.  This 
can most likely be attributed to the horrid standard transmission the car has.
At 55 mph, the engine rpms are only ~2000--well below the power "band" (more
like a pinstripe) of the car.  At 65 mph, the car is turning over ~2500, 
basically in the best range for power/efficiency in this engine.  Granted this
is a single empirical datum and not 'research', but it does support the
hypothesis.
-- 
Tim McBrayer                                tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Computer Architecture Design Laboratory     (513) 556-0904
University of Cincinnati                    "Visualize Whirled Peas"
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