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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:34:55 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

birmingh@fnalc.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:

>         More to the point, a split would be *inconvenient* for me. I read
>    a few big-two titles, as well as whatever of the independents I feel
>    like picking up.

    Ah, honesty, I like that. Well I'm sorry if a split would
inconvinience you, but the fact of the matter is no matter what is
decided it is not possible ot please everyone.That is why we hold a vote
on these things. If you could find something that would please everyone,
we would already be doing it, instead of holding this debate.

>         Up until last night, I was not opposed to a split of r.a.c.
>    However, the fact is that a split would be personally inconvenient.
>    This is compounded by what I see as an offensive degree of snobbery on
>    the part of a few split proponents. If this ever comes to a vote, I'll
>    vote no.

    Musta been a rough night ;->. Well I certainly hope that I haven't
been snobbish in regards to my support of a split, but it was very
snobbish of you to recognize that others have been. And the inclusion of
your vote at the end, when it was obvious to anyone reading your post
what you would vote anyway was IMHO more than redundant.

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From: jeremyl@screech.owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Lyn Hart)
Subject: Re: X-Force
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Keywords: Cable
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:41:39 GMT

In article <visser.702974315@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> 	The other news I heard recently is that the long-dreaded Cable 
> mini-series has been scaled back to two issues.
> 
> 	Its still not very good by any means, but it is better than anything
> Liefeld managed in the past year (which is not saying much).

Well, I don't know - the Cable "miniseries" might not be all bad - I've been told
that Rob's not doing it (don't remember who is, tho')...

Later.
-- 
Jeremy L. Hart				jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu
"As opaque warriors, we ride alone
 Guarding our secrets with souls of stone
 Waiting for someone who holds the key
 Do you hold it...do you hold the key to my heart..."
	- "Apache Teardrops," copyright 1991 by Bill Fillbach and Steve Estes
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From: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: MARVEL: Asgardian Wars (was Re: Rogue's and Cyclops' control of powers
Reply-To: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:31:04 GMT

 stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease) writes:

|> 
|> 	When all of the X-Men and Alphans involved (together with
|> the humans who were originally affected by the beam) discovered
|> what the price for their power was (i.e. losing a VERY large part
|> of their imagination--Basically)

	The *big* reason (IMHO) why the "beam" was not accepted was that 
even though it gave Mutant-like powers to "normals", only homo superior would
retain imagination, and thus *still* be superior to homo sapiens. Loki had
argued that all ove the sapiens/superior troubles would go away if everyone
had mutant-like powers.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid #4: Submerged in Horror
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:50:34 GMT

>
>    I think you are being too kind.  Disney movies also support 
> "traditional" women's roles: they fall in love, get married, and
> women are evil, strong-willed women are evil.  Dead women, though,

One of the big things in Beauty & the Beast was that Belle was an intelectual(?)
The women characters of the more recent films(I won't discuss the earlier ones
You can't defend the past(or condemn it either) for it's views, only learn from
it) have been strong, independant characters who stand up for themselves.

>   Indeed - I think you've hit the nail on the head here.  I know that
> movies are supposed to be a form of escapism, but Disney had refined
> this art beyond redemption.  Dammit, I want a sad ending, sometimes.
>
I think you're missing the point of Disney.  The idea is that there CAN be happy
endings.  Life has too many sad points.  Walt wanted to show that things could
end nice.  You want sad endings, go read a greek tragedy!

-------SCAVENGER

-- 
If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 14:23:17 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Thor vs. Spidey

In article <1992Apr10.141143.55868@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
(CEDRICK KIT CHAN) says:
>    First you take away the true GOD of thunder and replace him with a mortal,
>making him yet another of those muscle-bound-oafs that mean well characters
>(how original!!).  Now you make this 3rd, no 5th class Thor take on Spider
>Man.
>    Give me a break.  Maybe, this Thor doesn't have the thousands of years of
>war and battle experience that the real Thor does, but Spidey is just way out
>classed.  I'm tired of seeing Spidey overcome the most extreme impossible
>every single time!  Comics aren't supposed to be realistic, but there's a
>limit to how much fantasies can go!!!
>
>    Now I implore you to take the true Thunder God out of that stupid garbage
>bag in Hell!!

First off, I think they developed that old blonde stodge as much as they
possibly could.  I mean, what kind of private life did that old blonde prick
have?  Jane Foster and Sif.  Oh, and then he hung around with the Warriors
Three occasionally.  Whoooopeeeedo!

Eric is a human being, and thus has all the emotional baggage of the particular
human being his is.  He's divorced and has a son he misses very much.  He wants
to reconcile with his wife, and if you happen to have A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH
SOMEONE WHO HAS HUMAN FUCKING PROBLEMS RATHER THAN "OH HOW THE FUCK AM I GOING
TO CASH IN ON MY MYTHOLOGY THIS WEEK" THEN FUCK YOU!!!!

Donald Blake sucked.  Sigurd Jarenson was cool 'cuz Simonson handled him as
trying to ADJUST TO LIVING WITH HUMANS!!!!

Beat off butt brain.  You and you stagnation are choking me.

Doug.

Well, now we're finally going to write Thor back in as a God.  Jeez, I mean
who could ever imagine the mightiest god in the Marvel Universe as being
a human being with real life problems... Hey, little lady, what're you doing
here?
I just wanted to meet with the famous Tony L..  I really admire your work on
Thor.  Wanna marble?
Why thanks.  You see, I feel that Thor is much better off >BOOM< (in
drunken Darkwing Duck voice) not accepting gifts from little girls like
you.  >THUD<
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.220746.17388@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

>PS: Wouldn't it be nice if someone took over this title that could actually
>draw, and someone else wrote some stories about what would realistically 
>happen if a man could run/move at incredible speeds?

Ain't no such animal.  At least, not anything that could reasonably
be called _Flash_ and not be a completely different book with the same name.
I don't know what the highest speeds something resembling a human frame
could be made to run at, but even optimized I seriously doubt that
bone, muscle and flesh could be made to do more than maybe 100 mph
(that's over the sprint speed of the fastest land animals, so I may
be overgenerous).  And if you do realistic acceleration, inertia, etc.
then there really isn't much such a person could do that a normal on
a motorbike couldn't; run around like that indoors or on uneven surfaces
and you'll cause property damage and probably fall and break your neck.

Super-speed is a power much closer in spirit to ftl or X-ray vision than
it is to say, enhanced strength or extreme dexterity.  Suspend disbelief,
and it can be fun.  Attempt to come up with a consistent, science-fictional,
real world-like mechanism for it and you'll trip over the contradictions.
Personally, I'd rather see Wally doing all of Barry's old stunts, from
vibrating through walls to running at multiples of c anyway.  (Which is
perfectly realistic in a world with Superman and Zatanna in it in any
case.  I don't know what they use for natural laws there, but it isn't
any physics _I_ know.  :-) )

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Never let your sense of morality prevent
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 you from doing what's right!"
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 --Mayor Salvor Hardin of Terminus
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Isaac Asimov, _Foundation_
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 03:39:24 -0400 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: L.E.G.I.O.N.(was Re: Voice your opinions!)
	<1992Apr9.013620.25466@reed.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 9-Apr-92 L.E.G.I.O.N.(was Re:
Voice .. Michael J. Winston@lust. (1517)

> Unfortunately, Lobo will never be written correctly (he can only be  
> written by Grant or Giffen or Grant/Giffen or else he's just a stupid  
> sales booster).


Likewise, Bisley is the one true artist to draw him...

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:05:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.085546.199881@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green) writes:
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) speakith unto us:
>>rec.arts.comics split proposal. What we nedd to decide is this the way
>>we want to split the group? Do people want a DC, Marvel, Independant
>
>Don't forget rec.arts.comics.strips
>                             ^^^^^^

  The new group rec.arts.comics.strips has already been formed, and in
about two days has received about 200 messages.  In spite of the
complaints before the split that "there could *never* be enough
traffic to support a comic strip group," there seems to be
considerable interest in the group.

  So all conversations about Bill Watterson's vacation, Cathy
Guisewite's anxieties, Bill Keane's obsession with death and ghosts,
Gary Larson's future, the comparitive merits of Walt, Pete, and
Carolyn Kelly, etc. are hearby invited to continue on
rec.arts.comics.strips.

  See you there!


--Raymond Flournoy        
======================================================================
flournoy@cs.stanford.edu         "For reasons I cannot explain
Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon

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From: jwtlai@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: Sandman #37: A Game of You, Part Six.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:06:57 GMT

In article <m0lXLpI-0003FvC@reed.edu> chaffee@reed.edu writes:
>I don't know what sort of voice that black speech
>balloon is supposed to represent, but it's definitely going to be imposing.
>When he lowers his voice to say, "Well?" he's got to be communicating a bit
>of impatience. He's polite enough to let her think, but for all she knows,
>he's getting pissed...

I imagine it's a male voice with a dream-like deliberation and a proper British
accent (with good enunciation).  It certainly reads well that way.  I was
reading it out to someone one day and found myself using this accent almost
instinctively.  But wait, I've got long dark hair, relatively pale skin, a thin
frame... nothing.  I look nothing at all like him, despite a friend's outburst
upon seeing me in a t-shirt.
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:01:20 GMT

rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>On the third (?) hand, I rather liked Blasters, which was completely off-
>the-wall and not, I think, very serious at all.

Oh my god!  I thought I was the only person who enjoyed that book.
When WILL those characters return?  [Ice made a brief reference to
them in a recent JLIQ, so they haven't been retconned away yet...]

I suppose it depends on what I'm expecting in a book.  Blasters! was a
fun romp; likewise, the Starman issue.  But that humor is much too
broad to work in any more serious title.  

Incidentally, the biggest problem I had with the JLA origin was one
particular line.  J'onn J'onnz' (J'onnz's??) first public appearance
and someone asks if they're filming a Lucas film nearby.  This sets
the founding of the JLA in the late 70's, and that doesn't seem right.
In the revised DC Universe, when DID the JLA start?  

>-- 
>Michael Rawdon
>rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
>University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

>"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
>				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<--------------
It is said that the gods play games with the lives of men. But what games, and
why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.
From: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Amateur comic looking for magazine
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:01:52 GMT
Reply-To: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: d89-sme@sort.nada.kth.se

Hi,

me and some friends are just finishing a 10-page amateur comic. The story
is about the relations of some people at a bank out in the desert,
and a bank-robber enters, and there is some sex and violence...

Some fellow swedes have been published in Alpha Illustrated ("Black Icon"),
and now I'm thinking of sending this comic to some magazines in the USA.

So, anyone knows some addresses for comic magazines of approx the same
standard as Alpha Illustrated (ie not so good :) ?

Please answer directly by e-mail, as I don't read this news-group too
often...

/Staffan

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 d89-sme@nada.kth.se |                                               |
   Staffan Melin     |               M E A T    K I L L S            |
      Sweden         |                                               |
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:34:35 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: the ticK
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

bshremsh@smashland.nelsonville.oh.us (Ben Shremshock) writes:
 >>        Howdy everyone!  Has anyone read The Tick?  If you have, I'm sure 
 >>you too have become as addicted as I am.  This is a relatively new comic 
 >>that is so original, to me at least, that it is the best thing since 
 >>bikinis.  Too bad it seems like a new one come out only once every three 
 >>years, or almost at any rate.   
 
Yeah, the Tick is wonderful.  I've handed the Omnibus to people who wouldn't
normally touch comics, and they were in stitches.  I think it's fresh,
clever and nicely done,  and it's a pity there aren't more like it.


klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
 >I love this comic!!!! It's the only one I buy anymore!!!!

No comment, at the moment. :-)


"Don't ticks, er, suck blood?"
"LISTEN, PAL, I GOT A STRAW RIGHT HERE!!"   [or something.]

--
Iain Sinclair   axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au                             ne cede.
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Xmen Tarot Cards
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:38:38 GMT

DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:

>Never having been a great fan of merchandising,I'm growing extremely tiredwith
>the repetitive nature of the products the companies produce, bothaspromotional
>and additional material. I refuse to collect the trading cards,I hate mutliple
>cover formats, and I loath those tacky little holograms.

>However, what I _would_ like to see would be something original (I think :).
>How about an Xmen tarot deck? The X-Tarot (but of course)!Personally, I'd love
>to see Bill Scienkwicz (sp?) paint 'em, but that's hoping for a bit too much
>I suppose. It would be great though, his dark style would suit the atmosphere
>brilliantly.

	*Snicker*...actually I tried something like this when I got my X-Men
Advanced Set.  I just mixed in some of the cards with a normal deck of cards.
It looked a little unweildly (the Marvel cards were bigger than the rest), but
it was a father fun diversion from Rider-Waite.  I still remember most of the
designations, I think...


	As an aside, does anyone remember the Tarot reading that Crazy Jane was
subjected to during the Judge Rock story line in Doom Patrol???  I would LOVE
to see a full new Tarot deck done by either Case or Bisley....
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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: PAD:  the Best/Worst Suckies (was Re: Best/Worst PAD)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:38:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr7.202810.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (The Third Elmo) writes:
>In article <12019@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>> 	What is your least favorite PAD story?  Why?
>	Least favorite?  Probably the Crazy Eight issue.  Would have been very
>good except for the moral copout at the end making Crazy a good guy. 

	Huh? In no way was Crazy Eight considered a "good guy." At best,
she was morrally ambivalent.

	And, as others had pointed out, the backstory merely confirmed
that she WASN'T crazy and it WAS premeditated murder in the first degree,
and that this backstory didn't make a damn bit of difference to the law 
on whether or not she should be executed.

	To men, however, this story DOES make a difference.  And that was
the statement against the death penalty....


-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 09:41:32 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Youngblood I

In article <1992Apr7.184513.1@runt.appstate.edu>, grs02500@runt.appstate.edu
says:
>
>Has anybody heard anything about the new youngblood series.  It hits the
>stands
>in a week and I just found out about it.  It appears to be a new mutant group
>in another marvel universe.  What's the deal, didn't marvel already find out
>that "New Universe's" are not hip.  But I'm looking forward to Rob's work on
>the comic.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this.  Youndbloods is a book being
published by Malibu comics, as Marvel has just given Robbie the boot.
As a side note, dont expect it to be out for a little while more.  Malibu is
up to its armpits in lawsuits by Marvel due to a lot of the Youngbloods
Universe stuff.  The Savage Dragon first appeared in a Spider-Man book,
making him Marvel's property and the YB characters are copies of Robbie's
X-Force characters.

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                               __       __    Ernie "SHOKK" Oporto
______    ______            ___      ___      Computer Laboratory
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Where does he get those MARVELous toys?PT1
Summary: A mentioning of Toy-biz's new line up and what didn't make it
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:13:45 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I'm a member of WHAM--the marvel fan club.  I had some spare cash and the deal
offered some neat stuff(like a pin and a cool Portecio(?) print)  this is
sorta like a confession.

However, as a WHAM member, I recieved a transcript of PROJECT: X
the meeting where the 1992 X-MEN toys were develeoped. I thought I'd share some
tidbits w/you

AT the meeting, the closest thing to a creative person (ie. writer, artist) was
BOB "I can f**k up a book worse than Lobdell" HARRIS.  My feelings on this man
are pretty well known so we won't go into it.
Anyway here's what was discussed:

WOLVERINE:  WOlvie in a blue costume that when dipped in water would become
        transparant revealing a metal skeleton.  This costume is apparently
        the "Patch" costume(the one with the greese on the face).Harris didnot
        like this-saying that the costume was discontinued.

        He said the 2 Wolvie costumes now were the yellow/blue-tiger and the
        Jim Lee bondage-X-uniform.

MAGNETO:  Putting a joy buzzer to simulate "magnetic sounds".

        On MAG's costume(the ROMITA/cool one) :"The one he had then I thought
        was pretty wimpy."

GAMBIT:  this replaces a Longshot figure
        Idea to have GAMBIT be able to throw large playing cards.

HAVOK:  He was going to have "telescoping rings coming out of his chest"
        The costume for this was the old "windchime" one.  It was
        suggested the rings be more of a die-cut slinky type deal

that's it for now, I'll continue with the X-men, X-force and what will
actually be put out later on.  let's leave w/ Bob Harris's feelings
about the readers(in reference to WOLVERINE/PATCH):

"No we dropped that(the eyepatch).  It was too confusing, no one really understo
od that."

I don't know bout you guys, but I understood it perfectly.

--------------SCAVENGER
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