HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: No pride in Pride Day, feeling kinda creepy?
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: dfpedro@uswnvg.com.UUCP (Donn F. Pedro)
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <ncg5390@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
:In article <1992Jul16.172034.3322@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
:
:>Professional behavior is fine for the work place, but it can be down right
:>dull anywhere else.  
:
:Professional behavior is dull in the workplace too...
:
:
:FWA
:-Who's tattoos show at work too...

How many, and which ones?



     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:41:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.220023.25476@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jd> Jeff Dauber
>
>jd> Face it, who runs the government, white heterosexual males.
>
>  A *small* subset thereof.

I am not saying "what percentage of white males run the government".
I am saying "what percentage of top government positions are filled with
white males."

Given, I am talking about Amerika.


>jd> Who runs big business, white heterosexual males.
>
>  Again, a *small* subset thereof.

"what percentage of top business positions are filled by white males?"




>  As far as I can tell, being a member of the powerful elites doesn't have
>  much to do with one's gender, race, or sexual orientation. It has a lot to
>  do with some people believing the idea that they themselves are fit to
>  rule, and no-one else is.

It has a lot more to do with the power structure within a country.  If a 
black woman ran for president of the US and she was clearly the most qualified,
would she get elected?  I doubt it.



FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: HOMOPHOBE ALERT! - Please act!!
Summary: Bank of America getting pressure from right-wing bigots
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:48:36 GMT



In order to "know my enemy" I occasionally watch <groan> the 700 Club.  Last
night they were telling viewers to write to the Bank of America, which is
apparently reconsidering its decision to withdraw donations from the Boy
Scouts.  Sorry, I don't have an address or fax number, but will get those
today and post them.  If someone reading this knows them, please post them!
Even organizations and companies that support us have a hard time maintaining
that support if we do not WRITE THEM!  So write _IMMEDIATELY_.  Be polite,
but not apologetic.  And remember to play to your audience - this is a bank...

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
Michael Lax
12514 Espalande St., #B
Austin, TX  78727-4409
512.837.1596 [home voice]
512.836.9715 [home fax/data]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Boy Scout Funding (continued...)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:25:47 GMT

A cryptic and disturbing announcement on this morning's
local TV news -- that both Bank of America and Wells
Fargo Bank are "considering" reversing their decisions
to stop funding the Boy Scouts.

Both banks have suffered losses in the millions of dollars
from customers who closed accounts following the banks'
decisions to stop funding.

Two other major San Francisco-based corporations, Pacific
Telesis Group (Pacific Bell's owner) and Pacific Gas &
Electric (PG&E) have announced that they will continue to
contribute to the Boy Scouts.
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rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Gay Staffer leaves Bush Campaign
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:42:56 GMT

eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) writes:
: 
: Just tuned in on the tail end of Nightline.  What's the deal with the
: Bush campaign forcing out a gay staffer?  Forgive me if this is old
: news.

This just came in on the oh-motss list:

From: dlc@cbemf.att.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:22 EDT
To: oh-motss@cps.udayton.edu
Subject: Queer Republicans



	Those into political S&M should read today's Wall Street Journal.

	Inside is an article about a queer (I'm sure he JUST HATES that
word!) Bush/Quayle (Ooooohh! I JUST HATE that team!) staffer.  After working
several months to set up a Washington, DC phone bank for B/Q, this openly
gay (Republican white) male found himself eased out of a job, after refusing
a job change to janitorial supervisor.
	Alleging job discrimination based on his sexual orientation (they
have a law in DC), he has filed a complaint with the DC commission in charge
of looking into such things.  He also said he turned down a fat severance
offer which had the condition that he not go public about the firing.
	ABC's Nightline had a half-hour on this last night and made
reference to today's WSJ article.  The guy was obviously not used to raising
his voice in public, but I'm sure he'll get used to it.

	I found it ironic that ABC ran a promo about a prime time show,
scheduled for tonight, in which they feature new accusations about a priest
who abused alter boys.
	Why am I not surprised about the air times assigned the two stories?

						Don Cormany
						cbemf!dlc
*** end included post ***

A comment: We'll see how long the DC anti-discrimination and domestic
partner laws last now )-: The DP law's been under repeated attack recently.

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
"Recession: your friend loses his job.  Depression: you lose your job.
Recovery: Bush loses his job" - Bill Davidsen
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:37:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.190203.21469@ccu.umanitoba.ca> wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca  writes:
>   For a while now I have been trying to compile a list of television programs 
>that have included gay/lesbian characters as a part of their regular (or 
>semi-regular) casts.  Many shows have "dealt" with gays in a single episode or 
>story line, but just how many have included gays on a regular (or recurring) 
>basis?  My intention is to keep the list to network and widely-syndicated 
>entertainment shows in the English language.   This includes shows seen on 

Barney Miller seems to be missing from the posts here so far...

Actually dealt with the topic fairly well, IMHO.

SOAP, OTOH... well never mind, it was SOAP.
-- 
"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:04:27 GMT

> pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii) writes:
>> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>>>> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>>>> [i omit the box and voicemail numbers.  if you really want this
>>>> guy, you'll have to find your own copy of _columbus alive_.]
>>>
>>>Or the Ithaca Times - the identical ad appeared here, too.
>>
>>Maybe it's the same person, who commutes.  Or maybe it's coded messages
>>from some secret organization.  Perhaps the anti-pods (antipodes?) are
>>organizing an attack.  On guard, cabal!
>
>It's here, too!  In Milwaukee in the local eastside alternative paper, "The
>Shepard Express"  so whoever it is seems to be spending money and trying to
>reach across the country.  
>
>Anyone find anything west of the Mississippi?

Couldn't find it in the (San Francisco) B.A.R., but this
was my favorite, suitable-for-a-mixed-audience one:

    Dishonest, self-centered elitist seeks like-minded
    smoker to make fun of morons and ugly people.  Let's
    laugh at the misfortunes and shortcomings of others.
    (1-900-844-2227, ext. 4469)
>
>Peter Thomas
>
>-- 
>"I'll lose my beard when they shave it from my cold, dead face!"
>
>Quote from the Razor's Anonymous Handbook
>


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:29:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.181055.16934@midway.uchicago.edu>, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

> Ditto.  (I *must* have...I let Sim talk me into taking a *picture*.
> Perhaps Grandmama will punish me for my lapse.)

  No, your punishment is reserved for your *WICKED* behavior at 
Rooster Rock :-) 

PS: Todd finally did find the 44, it was back in the room...
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Advances Noticed
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:55:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Joseph Francis writes:
>Cocain pusher alley, and not far from the Police station where good
>looking men are occasionally known to stop in, ask where is the Argos,
>and told "oh you don't want to go there" and given a private sex tour
>of Amsterdam's finest. In short, Jessie Helms Hell.

One question: Does Amsterdam have bearded cops?

 
() Patience is something you admire greatly in the driver
() behind you but not in the one ahead of you.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin Baker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:28:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Jul21.011703.10816@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Gail Gurman) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.190203.21469@ccu.umani>I don't ever remember seeing a show with a lesbian or bisexual woman character
>until L.A. Law.


Ah, but there was _HeartBeat_ which was on ABC originally.. lasted a season
or so (maybe) and has had a resurgence on LifeTime TV  This was big in my 
coming out.  The main lesbian character was played by Gail Strickland, and
her lover was played by (I forgot her name.. she was in Mork and Mindy towards
the end of that show.. which I know would destroy her credibility :)).  The
episode I remember most is when the character played by Strickland's old friend
comes into their Women's Health Collective (!!!!) dying of cancer, and I 
*thought* when I was younger that the two had been lovers, but discovered
when I re-watched it recently (I was so excited to find it!) that they never
were but that this friend was a part of Strickland's character's comin out
process..


>Gail


>-- 
>You can pick your friends,
>And you can pick your nose,
>But you can't pick your friend's nose.

Actually, I've tried it.. there's a little bit of surprise, but if they're
good friends.. 

;)
-- 

--Karin
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 16:51:40 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gaynet, Mailing Lists, etc. (Was: Re: Phobe Alert: America)
 <1992Jul17.194141.9678@queernet.org> <1992Jul17.212451.28499@macc.wisc.edu>
 <1992Jul18.165156.16465@queernet.org> <15501@star.cs.vu.nl>
 <1992Jul21.160605.19634@gordian.com>

i'm shocked that someone would actually suggest getting onto sappho
under false pretenses.  FJ, i'm ashamed of you...

TSes are allowed on sappho as long as the are living as female.
men are not allowed to either read or post to sappho, and it
is a breach of sappho ettiquette to show any sappho mail to a
man without asking permission of the poster first.  sappho is
meant to be wimminspace, pure and simple.  just the idea that
there are male sysadmins who can read sappho was enough to upset
some people and start a brief discussion of encryption.

if people want a mailing list that is menspace focusing mostly
on gay men's issues, i'm all for it...

                                       -ailsa
--
It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mystery Syndrome: The only mystery was why everyone got excit
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:43:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>HIV or any other agent. A report on the cases just appeared in
>>Newsweek, prompting Dr James Curran, director of HIV/AIDS at
>>the US National Centers for Disease Control, to ask "What does
>>Newsweek know that we don't know?"

THey might not know as much, but they'll report it.

>>"Should we have reported a year ago when we first had three
>>cases?" Curran asked the AIDS researchers. "Yes", came the
>>resounding cries. He agreed to write up CDC's information and to
>>issue a call for additional cases.

They STILL don't get it.

"The CDC are filthy liars.  What's the matter with those boys?"

THE NORMAL HEART
-- 

******************************************************************************

Donald L. Hardy                                    Office of Physical Planning
Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
dh0a@lehigh.edu                                    (215) 758 5110
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surviving
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:53:50 GMT
 <vanyel.710698730@camelot> <1992Jul10.155659.4336@ifi.unizh.ch> 
 <1992Jul27.002350.21611@macc.wisc.edu> <15569@star.cs.vu.nl> <1992Jul28.013253.3328@macc.wisc.edu> <15590@star.cs.vu.nl>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <15590@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>It is just that it strikes me as such a terrible primary reason to stay
>alive: I'll hurt when you drop, so don't do it. Yeah, the survivors
>face a loss. Yes, they face pain, yes, they face anger, rage, the
>questions, the traumas, the years lost wondering what they could have
>done, the fear the acceptance, the non-acceptance.

>But should that be the sole reason to continue a life? Somebody else's
>potential pain? That's taking the responsability for somebody else's
>emotions on you.

>Does the ends of keeping someone alive justify using emotional
>blackmail?  Do you think using a tool so murky on a person hurting so
>bad already, helps?

It helped me.  Until people started (figuratively) bashing it into my head
that my presence *is* desired on this planet, and that those people are
there for me when I need them, I dind't really believe that anyone gave a
shit whether I lived or died.  I can't say that I'm that much better even
now, but at least now I know I have friends who will talk to me, and I have
friends who *want* me to write to them, even if they're absolutely terrible
about replies.

The point, really, is not that these people will hurt after you're dead.
The point is that someone cares enough to feel that hurt.

Maybe *you* haven't had that experience, but I have.

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Elaine Stritch (was Re: LesbiGay Life in Cuba/WW)
Date: 30 Jul 1992 11:06:01 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: faghags and concentration camps

In article <1992Jul30.165450.12666@athena.mit.edu> 
read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver) writes:
> I'm copying this from alt.progressive because of all the Cuba bashing
> I see here.

Gee, *thanks* Read!  This is the, oh, I don't know, third,
fourth, fifth time I've seen this paean to the Garden of Eden
just 90 miles south of Florida.  But I'll *never* tire of 
reading it.  I have a question for you: why didn't you
cross-post it?  

Well, *my* favorite part of Sharon Ayling's *very* *objective*
report is this:

> |> To me, gay liberation is about a lot more than gay rights.
> |> [...]  Gay liberation is
> |> about fighting racism, classism, all these things.

I agree.  Gay liberation *is* about a lot more than gay rights.
Gay liberation is about being able to go to your local video
store to buy the newly released documentary on the recording
of the original cast album of "Company".  And gay liberation
is about *watching* the video, the highlight of which is Elaine
Stritch's multi-take struggle with "The Ladies Who Lunch".
And gay liberation is about understanding what makes Elaine
Stritch's recent description of herself in the video so funny,
so *gay*: "I looked like Margaret Rutherford doing the life 
story of Judy Garland."

Should I cross-post this to alt.progressive?  Hmmmm.

-Arne
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hippie Dick
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:26:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul23.220126.19064@spdcc.com> <63028@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Jul29.050357.27732@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>You can't even masturbate to it. :-)

Speak for yourself.

*I* certainly can, and have.

>>Of course, the fact that I know Gene may have something to do
>>with my appreciation for _HD_; the way he beseeched me for
>>a story to print in an upcoming issue might have something
>>to do with it as well.  ;-)
>
>You're too straight for that 'zine, George.

We'll know that when I hear back from Gene as to what he
thinks of the story I submitted.

>Good Lord, buy it.  Shirley you're not saying that it has either
>enough "hippie" or enough "dick"?  It could use about 200% more

Where would you PUT it?

>of each.  "_HD_, the video" has been released; it will get a
>review in the BML once I receive it.

If it's going to be like your reviews of the videos from Brush
Creek Media, i.e., bitching about technical quality, don't
bother.  You might be able to argue that BCM is trying to present
itself as a "professional" pornmaker; you simply cannot say
the same about _HD:TV_.

 
() I cannot give you the formula for success, but I can give
() you the formula for failure, which is: Try to please
() everybody.
()      -- Herbert Swope
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Enforced Enlightenment
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:04:01 GMT

In article <15534@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>In article 127@utkux1.utk.edu, archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>:>In article <15520@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>:
>:>I've finally found what doesn't click with Libertarianism
>:>and me: a belief that people are guided by rationale,
>:>maximalisation of happiness, and concious thinking about the
>:>cutting edges of judgements in life, with total disregard of
>:>things like peer-pressure, basic mine-is-mine
>:>like-me-not-like-me instincts.  People aren't rational.
>:
>:So, you anti-liberty types don't believe that individual people are capable 
>:of acting in an enlightened manner, and must be forced to do so by a benign 
>:statist government.

>Not entirely true. I believe that people are very well capable of
>acting in an enlightened manner, I see enough of it for me to have hope
>for the rest of the world.

>I just don't see them doing it all by themselves when confronted with
>an alien entity, expecially when inside a group. Not without some
>external pressure - government, attitude alteration through exposure -
>to overcome our basic xenophobia and dare to give up some power.

But you just SAID that you thought that individuals ARE capable of acting in 
an enlightened manner.  Now you demand that they be forced to act in a 
manner that you consider enlightened, using the power of the state.

>Well, I must say that I'm happy that you have a more positive outlook
>on people, expecting the best might get you that. But after living an
>adolesence of an intelli-nerd and glam-fag - repressed as that was - at
>the same time, I think I can say that I've seen enough of human group
>dynamics - they were always decent to me in one-on-ones - to not
>consider myself very cynical in this area.
>                                                               FJ!!

Oh no, don't accuse me of being optimistic.  _I_ am a cynic, even if you are 
not.  I trust people to always act in the worst possible manner.  I just 
trust the state to do even worse.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey)
Subject: Urgent Action Needed - Nicaragua's proposed Sodomy law (followups)
Reply-To: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:12:00 +0000


>foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Rob Foye) wrote:
>->True. In that case it should be "Don~a", i.e. "Don~a Max">
>
>hey!  this could be a new movie: "Do~na Max and her Wiener Dog" ...

As the original poster of the requests for assistance in heading
off new and draconian laws in Nicaragua which could impose prison
sentences for even writing a poem depicting a lesbian or gay
relationship in a favourable light, I would really like to know
what the rubbish currently being posted under that subject
heading has to do with the matter.

Thankyou

Diane
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