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From: duval@elpp1.epfl.ch (Basil P. Duval EPFL - CRPP 1015 Lausanne CH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Re: NCSA Telnet cannot find config.tel?
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: DUVAL@ELPP1.EPFL.CH
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


Yeh well. I took a look at the source code for another reason and found a couple
of what I thought were problems.... In the 2.5b (for beta), I discovered what
I would call a little bug. I have duly reported it to the NCSA people and
have no doubt that a "little" update will be out soon. Until then, if my limited
understanding of the program is sufficient, SLIP will NOT work. Slip in version
2.4.19 will however work if you would just like to try out SLIP until the
little deamons work their way out.

Basil Duval
/* what I've written I just made up. No point quoting me on that */
From: hp@felix-e.crihan.fr (Herve Prigent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Using a french PowerBook modem in the USA
Summary: french PowerBook modem problem in the USA
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:28:35 GMT
Organization: CRIHAN, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

How do I need to initialize my french PowerBook modem to use it in the USA?
Do I need to use the external line transformer, required in France?
Thanks for answering...   
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase)
Subject: POP mailer for PC's?????
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: LANL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:41:57 GMT

Yes as much as I hate it we still have a few PC's on our Net. I have been
using Eudora for quite some time. Does anyone know of a POP mailer for
PC's????? Public Domain or Commercial is OK......Thanks in advance

<==================================+==================================>
  Peter Haase                      +    Internet: haase@meediv,lanl.gov
  Net Manager/MEE-Division         +    Phone: 505-667-2684
  Los Alamos National Laboratory   +    FAX:   505-665-3911

"The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily
 reflect those of Los Alamos National Laboratory"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rkim@wam.umd.edu (8-b)
Subject: Digital phone line + analog modem don't mix!!
Summary: How much damage can a digital line in an analog modem cause??
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:31:33 GMT

Hi everyone,  OK, call me STUPID but I stuck a digital phone line in my
internal PowerPort/Gold modem (14400 data/9600 fax) today for about a minute.
Since the modem is TINY and delicate I'm worried to death I may have burnt my
modem.  Everything seems to be
working ok SO FAR except for a short static burst of sound when I first use the
modem after I turn on the computer.  I'm not sure if that resulted from
today's idiotic incident or not.  I'm wondering if anyone else out there
had any mishaps like that or knows enough about electronics and circuitry
to tell me if I might have caused some damage... please... I believe
the difference in voltage is 4 fold: +/- 3 as opposed to +/- 12 V.
Any help would greatly be appreciated!!!

Adam Kim
rkim@wam.umd.edu
From: lkimes@alshain.usc.edu (Lance 'Moof' Kimes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: PD soft. for telephone pagers
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:45:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alshain.usc.edu


In article <Bs4Apq.KqI@world.std.com>, aml@world.std.com (Andrew M Langmead) writes:

|> >My present paging company doesn't have a tech dept that's accessible
|> >to those outside of their company, so they can't tell me either.
|> >But they do offer a software package that's works with DOS machines.
|> >They just don't know how it works.
|> 
|> THIS IS IT. THIS IS USEFUL INFORMATION THAT WILL LEAD TO A SOLUTION.
|> You need a method of getting your information to the paging host.
|> 
|> You don't want to use the Answering Service, too expensive.
|> You can't use the Tone port assigned to your alpha pager, it doesn't
|> have the bandwidth to send the messages you want.
|> 
|> Now there is a third way of getting into the paging host and give it
|> a page.
|> 
|> Find out the number you set up the DOS package to use. This won't be the
|> pager's phone number. (Which is connected to a DTMF port.)
|> This is a MODEM port that will speak TAP (also known as iXO.)
|> Call it with your MODEM. It might have a manual mode. That gives
|> prompts for humans. If not, the next step is to get the TAP protocol
|> and implement it yourself. (or to reverse engineer it from the PC version
|> as someone else suggested.)
|> 
|> >Lance Kimes
|> >Systems Programmer
|> >University Computing
|> >USC
|> 
|> -- 
|> |Andrew Langmead - A frustrated Mac/Unix programmer stuck in an MS-DOS job    |
|> |Usenet=aml@world.std.com      |S. O'Conner "We Live in a dangerous Age       |
|> |bix=a.langmead CI$=72411,1560 | To say how you feel is to lay your own grave"|



As a said earlier, its already in testing phase.....
Uses IXO....


Lance Kimes
Systems Programmer
USC
From: garp@isy.liu.se (Johan Garpendahl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac from Unix.
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:03:26 GMT
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping

>In article <1992Jul21.210208.1831@axis.fr> phil@axis.fr (Ph. Mackowiak) writes:
>>
>>I have several Mac and a Unix machine on Ethernet.
>>I am looking for a way to print on LaserWriter on the Mac from
>>Unix  (In an other way, I want to see the printers as Unix devices).

How is your Laser connected to the network?
Is it connected to an appletalk network or 
is it connected to the ethernet?

If it is connected to an appletalk network, you need
something that connects your ethernet to the appletalk network, 
e.g. a gatorbox or kinetics fastpath. 

You also need some software to support this stuff on the 
UNIX boxes. There is a package called CAP, Columbia Appletalk Package,
It supports both the ethernet-to-appletalk configuration and the ethernet
only configuration.

Good luck,
	
	Johan





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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor)
Subject: Re: Compuserve from internet
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:06:29 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Jul29.124958.7029@fccc.edu> kokkos@orion.rm.fccc.edu writes:

> In article <1992Jul28.193152.19047@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000) writes:
> > 
> > I had an internet address at michigan that would allow making a call
> > to compuserve, but have managed to lose it.  I think I saw it posted here.
> > 
> > Could someone repost it or email it to me?
> 
> I have the same question jeffp does. Can someone help me as well? I have an
> internet address too.. Thanks in advance!


To access CompuServe interactively from the Internet:

-	Telnet to <hermes.merit.edu>
-	enter COMPUSERVE at the Host? prompt.

Caveats:

You cannot do file downloads via this connection, as it only passes
7-bit ASCII data, not binary data.  Also, programs such as Navigator
and CIM cannot utilize this connection, as the HMI protocol they use
requires the ability to send/receive binary data.


Interesting tidbit of the week:

Mac CIM 2.0 is out and available for download from CompuServe.  It's
more an evolutionary than revolutionary release.  The user interface
is much improved and color has been added.  Cost is $10 to download,
although your account is also granted a $10 usage credit. 
Documentation is extra ($25?  Not sure.)

Caveat - my wife works for CompuServe.  (used to be sysop for the Mac
CIM support forum, but has since moved on...)


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ObDiscl:  Everything stated here and above is _my_ opinion.  Mine mine mine!
ObQuote: "Every devil I meet becomes a friend of mine." - Indigo Girls
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: FTP commands under Fetch - don't work?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:28:01 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

thraxisp@bnr.ca (Glenn Henshaw) writes:

>In article <CKD.92Jul20185823@loiosh.eff.org> Christopher Davis,
>ckd@eff.org writes:
>>You can also use the Fetch "View directory" (I think that's it) command,
>>which will show you the whole directory and let you search through it.
>>
>>This is all assuming 2.1b4.
>                      ^^^^^
>   Is this new version publicly available? I can't find anything beyond
> 2.06 in archie or the usual North American FTP sites?

    Fetch is only available at dartvax.dartmouth.edu in the mac/
directory. As far as I know no information about dartvax is sent to
Archie, so that is why you can't find it there.

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-Hades (Brian V. Hughes, Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: add@is.rice.edu (Arthur Darren Dunham)
Subject: Re: Possible Pseudoexplanation for Telnet "freezes"
Keywords: MacTCP, Asante, SE
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:37:59 GMT

YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!!!!

I had seen the powerup/reboot correlation too, but failed to verify it.
I will return and see if this is in fact the case.

Now, what do we do about it?

-- 
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MicroConsultant                       		  Rice University
(What is that? A small consultant?)	              Houston, TX
Any resemblance between real opinions and my post is coincidental
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: KDC@helix.nih.gov (Keith Cummings)
Subject: Mac Layers
Keywords: Mac, Telecommunications
Organization: National Eye Institute, National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:09:41 GMT

Where do I get a copy of Maclayers both for my ac and source for my unix 
system?

Keith D. Cummings
National Eye Institute
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: NCSA telnet with AppleTalk???!???!!??
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:32:04 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

To connect a Mac to the Internet, or any TCP/IP network, you need a
TCP/IP protocol stack.

In the past, this was usually included in a particular program (like
NCSA Telnet).  Now the stack is *usually* MacTCP (but not always).
[NCSA Telnet 2.3 came in two versions, as I remember, MacTCP and internal
TCP/IP stack.  Check which version you have on that machine...]

Once you have a protocol stack, you need something to run it over (IP
over Ethernet, IP within AppleTalk, IP over Token Ring, or SLIP/PPP).
In the MacTCP control panel, you can select different link access
protocols; in programs with their own stacks, you do whatever that
program expects.

(The Token Ring and SLIP modules are not supplied with MacTCP; SLIP can
be purchased from several companies, I don't know if Token Ring is out yet.)

IP over AppleTalk (this includes LocalTalk, TokenTalk, and EtherTalk,
though if you're already running IP on the ring or Ethernet you'd
probably just use the native encapsulation) requires a gimmick called a
"DDP-IP gateway" to "unwrap" the IP-inside-AppleTalk packets.  Suitable
gimmicks include a Fastpath, GatorBox, or Webster Multigate (or whatever
they call it now).

If NCSA Telnet can make an IP connection from a Mac, that Mac can make
the same connection with MacTCP (presuming that you have a SLIP module
for MacTCP if you're using SLIP, since NCSA/BYU Telnet has a built-in
SLIP stack).

The Comm Toolbox is not necessary for IP connectivity, but there are
telnet and FTP tools for it.
--
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  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ronaldw@sco.COM (ronald wong)
Subject: Re: NCSA Telnet cannot find config.tel?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:45:49 GMT
Followup-To: ronaldw@sco.COM


Jim,

I just started using NCSA Telnet last week.  I'm amazed at the quality of
documentation and information provided for what is essentially a "free"
program.  It certainly rivals some of the commercial packages out there, 
and it has features that some of those commercial packages lack (I 
especially appreciate the ability to set my own fonts).  

Your team's work is impressive and I for one sincerely appreciate whatever
time and energy you've already put into NCSA Telnet and whatever you can
do in the future.

Regards,

Ron Wong
From: officer1@applelink.apple.com (Chuck Officer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: quickmail to x.400
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:23:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Apple Computer Europe, Inc.

In article <2A7470C5.2B59@intercon.com>, kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Jul23.174011.8393@pixel.kodak.com>, abbott@pixel.kodak.com 
> (Terry Abbott) writes:
> > I'm looking for an x.400 gateway for Quickmail. One was listed with
> > the package of Quickmail we bought but when I called them (Touch 
> > Communications) the person that answered the phone said they had 
> > filed bankruptcy. Does anyone know if the x.400 product was picked 
> > up by another company or is there another x.400 gayeway for 
> > Quickmail?
> 
> Well it is going to be more dependant upon the X.400 server that you own than 
> anything else.
> 
> If you own a X.400 Touch server, then you have to purchase the QM/X.400 
> gateway the they sell.  Try reaching them at Worldtalk, Inc. same location I 
> think.
> 
> If you own a X.400 Retix server, then you can either buy the QM/X.400 gateway 
> from them, or from InterCon.
> 
> That's about the only ones that I know of.  You might try SoftSwitch as well.
> 
> 
> Kurt Baumann                  Creators of fine TCP/IP Products
> InterCon Systems

Apple recently announced MacX400 (an X.400 server) at InterOp. Third
parties 
have already written gateways from MacX400 to QuickMail and Microsoft Mail.


For more information contact Frank Prabel at:
prabel1@applelink.apple.com (Internet) or
PRABEL1 (AppleLink)

Chuck Officer
Apple European R&D
From: jdesai@sundeck.East.Sun.COM (Jatin Desai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: A starter question on modem and cables
Date: 31 Jul 1992 18:05:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdesai@sundeck.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sundeck.east.sun.com
Keywords: modem

I am new to the Mac world so pardon me if this is an FAQ. I have a PC at home
and an external 2400 baud generic (ViVa) modem which is hayes compatible. It
works fine with the PC. Recently I aquired a Mac IIci and bought a cable that looked
like 7 pin mac connector to 25 pin on the other end and plugged it in. I then
started kermit and typed ATH0 and received OK. All other modem commands seem to work.
Then I dialed a local BBS using ATDT command. I got the Connect 2400 and typed
RETURN but no response from the other end - no login prompt. I repeated this
procedure with other terminal emulators - Zterm and TermWorks. I also tried to
connect to other services (CompuServer) but the same results. After the Connect
2400 message, nothing works. When I type characters, the send light on the modem
blinks, but the receive light never does anything. All the communications paramaters 
(2400 8N1) seem just fine. I tried sending BREAK, ESCAPE, Linefeed etc etc but 
nothing seems to work. I also tried enable XON/XOFF and disable XON/XOFF setting
but no go.

If the cable was bad, then I thought I would never be able to get even this far.

What am I doing wrong? I am an experienced PC/Unix user but a neophyte at Mac.
I tried setting my modem to ignore DTR, always leave CTS on etc. etc. without
really understanding what they mean, but got nowhere. If I disconnect the modem
from Mac and connect it back to my PC, everything works - i.e. I have not
damaged my mode or its settings.

Please help - thanks in advance.

Jatin
Jatin.Desai@East.Sun.COM
From: MScott@FirstClass.COM (M. Scott Marcy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Is ZyXEL U-1496E <> U-1496S ?
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:51:31 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.dcom.modems
Organization: First Class Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.120402.16688@pbs.org>, swinokur@pbs.org wrote:
> 
[ Stuff about different ZyXEL models deleted]
> The internal cannot
> utilize the new 1 megabit eprom chips with Caller ID and selective ring features
> and the new beta 16.8k speed. There is a 512k rom for the internal that has
> caller id but the extended AT command help was removed to make room for it.

What modifications, if any, are needed to use the new 1Meg EEPROMs in a
U-1496E which currently uses the older 512K EEPROMs?

I downloaded the 512K version and am now using them, but I do miss the
on-line explaination for the AT commands (they're *ALL* gone).

> I have the S model and it is one fine modem.

I have an E model (obviously ;-), and I can highly recommend it. Plus where
else do you get all these really cool features?

Thanks.

-Scott
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Colorado Springs, CO  80949 USA           <<Something witty goes here>>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: bdavis@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (William Davis)
Subject: Re: Ethernet cables for Quadra's?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: USA 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:09:33 GMT

In article <BrGF1K.uL@solbourne.com> ericr@solbourne.com (Eric Robison) writes:
>
>Anybody know where I can get ethernet cables for my Quadra?  The local 
>dealer says he can get me one in a year or so for $150.00.  Jerk.
>
>What kind of connector is on the back of the Quadra? I'll make the 
>stupid thing if I can go buy the connector.
>
My friendly dealer charged me $88 for one going to an RJ45 connector.

From Asante, FN10TA,  10BaseT Friendlynet Media Adapter [09-00510-03]
Product Serial Number, A0515283.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: Telnet 2.3, slip, mac portable
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:28:10 GMT
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation

In article <vdyx91j@rpi.edu>, walkerb@antares.cs.rpi.edu (Bob Walker) writes:
> Any ideas?  Is there something "strange" about the Portable and its
> serial connection?  Any help would be much appreciated.

It's not a problem with the serial port, it's a problem with Telnet 2.3.  Try 
a more recent version of NCSA Telnet...


Amanda Walker <amanda@intercon.com>
InterCon Systems Corporation
-- 
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 my breakfast cereal..."    --Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: tip@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy I Panagos)
Subject: Remote access to sys7 appletalk network via modem?????
Summary: need recommendation for accessing net via modem connections
Keywords: remote access, appletalk, PhoneNET Liason
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:34:02 GMT

	I am using sys7 to base a small appletalk net in our laboratory.
	I want to be able to connect to the network in order to access the
	stored information on a common hard drive.  I am currently considering
	two different software packages, has anyone tried this sort of thing
	using either PhoneNET Liason or Appletalk Remote Access from Apple?

	Any comments???

	Thanks in advance...

			...tim



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: edwards@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Edwards)
Subject: Noise & Zmodem downloads
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:06:08 GMT

I am using WhiteKnight 11.12 and a SupraFAXModem v.32 on a Mac IIci and
downloading files using Zmodem and

%sz filename

on the VAX side.  Regardless of baud rate (anywhere from 2400 -> 9600)
my file transfers quit on me after an unspecified (or is it) number of
errors occur.  Is there anything I can do?  Obviously if I just have
crappy phone lines it's going to be hard to do anything (although I
remember seeing something you could do with a poteniometer once that
supposed rejected more noise .... don't remember exactly how it worked
or what the circuit was, it was hooked to the phone line ahead of the
modem). Can I boast the error tolerence (ie. willingness to ask for
a retransmit over and over until it gets it so it won't quit but will
just take all day....?) Are there switches I could be using with 'sz'
to help is there another alternative to sz? HELP!

edwards@andy.bgsu.edu


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From: wonko@titan.ucc.umass.edu (not in use)
Subject: Re: questions not answered in FAQ
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:38:27 GMT

In article <9207250130.aa25421@Paris.ics.uci.edu> dbritton@thalia.ICS.UCI.EDU ("David R. Britton Jr.") writes:
>I've read the FAQ, but I still need answers to the following questions:
>
>Is obtaining the fastest modem possible the best way for my home system
>(Mac IIsi) to communicate with the Sun systems at my school?  If not, then what
>is the best way?

   Best way? no, best way is to get in internet feed to the house. I
dont know cost but It gets VERY expensive. (Leased line.. internet
access. You may also need to show need or something (like auniversity or
corp.)

  Other than that find out the specs on the modem on the sun.. find out
if they play to udgrade in the near future, and get a modem that is at
least 9600 baud (or faster if the system on the other end will support
it), and make sure all the standards match.
    Jason
From: glen@Cayman.COM (Glen B. Glater)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: where are NCSA telnet, FAQ file and XGator demo ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:12:11 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: simonc@otter.hpl.hp.com's message of 22 Jul 92 13:00:30 GMT

In article <33560005@otter.hpl.hp.com> simonc@otter.hpl.hp.com (Simon Chandler) writes:

  >* Where can I get a demo copy of XGator ?

You can get it from ftp.cayman.com in directory /pub/XGator.

Questions can be directed to support@cayman.com.

Glen
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