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From: mjmh@mappo.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:56:30 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing


This definitely seems to be a parallel to all the problems
I've seen with Fundies continuously posting to this newsgroup
and others.

My brother turned into a Fundamentalist Evangelical 3 years ago,
while I have been an atheist with Buddhistic leanings.
Let me tell you, family gatherings have been heated!!

For your class, and in response to the Christians who tick
everyone off by posting here, there really is no good solution.
We want to tell them off, but really nothing deters them.
(In fact, when my brother was REALLY bad, he'd use any perceived
'persecution' as 'proof' he was doing God's will.)

They have little to no tolerance or respect for anything non-
biblical.  My best advice (through experience!) is to ignore it when
you can, or state: "That type of discussion is not appropriate for this
class (newsgroup!).  We cannot waste valuable time and energy on a topic
that has been argued for centuries."  (After all most, most classes
are only an hour or two!!).

My heart does go out to you, because it can be very frustrating,
or intimidating.  My family is all Christian (mostly RC, some 
Episcopals, and one or two Fundies), and as the only non-Christian,
group encounters are intimidating.

Basically, "agreeing to disagree" has been the only way to a 
"truce" between me and my brother.  If your class gets involved in 
a "Creationist" debate, maybe that would be an option to get back on 
track.

Good Luck!

mike holmes
mjmh@crsa.bu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Summary: Unplugging things
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:34:11 GMT
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <2AD0E0AD.21246@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <BvM9nK.4M6@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>>
>>Lightning is one of those things you really can't protect well against.
>
>Yes, you can.  If an electrical storm comes up, GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER
>AND UNPLUG THE DAMNED THING.  

Two weeks ago I went to a business site which had encountered a "near miss"
(as in they could see the bolt about 50' from the windows).

Several systems which were UNPLUGGED (the storm had been a while in coming
and they have been hit before) had main board damage.

I spent over 6 hours fixing the damn things (but did get paid for it).

Again -- if lightning really wants to get you, you're hosed.  Induced
voltages in things like keyboard and monitor cables are sufficient to do
damage if the strike is close.

>Just unplug everything you can.  Nothing is better protection than that.

True Janis, but that is still not "good enough" in all cases.

If the building gets hit or its close enough, even unplugging might not help.

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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Birth data (was Re: a nice experience...)
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 05:32:59 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <6OCT199207430789@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu writes:

 > Can I jump on this bandwagon tooooo?
 >  
 > Mine is October 17, 1964 (yep in about two weeks.....).  Born in
 > Houston, Texas during a cold front at about 12:45 (well...12:4?).
 > I'm a libra and I act like one too!

After this entry I can no longer resist.

9.30 pm, 13 Oct 1949 (yep, 2 days). Griffith, N.S.W., Australia.

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Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Express Access Online Communications Service, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:49:59 GMT

Ok, I'll unlurk. :)

July 31 (Lammas Eve), 1962, 8:16 p.m.
Western: Leo with (so I've been told) Aquarius rising (fire and water--
explains a lot about me :) )
Eastern: Water Tiger (interesting, water and feline for both)

Following Ciaran's example, I'm INXX (too close to the borderline
on the T/F and J/P axes to make a judgement)

--Thom
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                                 elflad0@aol.com         elf-lad@glib.org
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"What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?"--U.K.LeGuin
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:43:30 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <6474@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
#In article <2ADCF631.26980@news.service.uci.edu>
#cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
#
#>There's only one problem with this.  From what I understand, woad is not
#>meant to come off.  It would make a neat costume (if a bit chilly) but
#>the guy'd better like it, because he's going to be wearing it for a
#>really long time.
#
#Janis that depends on whether you use it as paint or as a tattoo
#dye...
#
#Its not that strong a dye - thats why indigo became popular.
#
#--
#Chris Lilley

Is that why jeans should look as though they're painted on? (For those that
aren't aware, "blue" jeans are indigo.)

	mark
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Birth data
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:37:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hiya guys!

I've been out temporarily, but "I'm Back!";-)

Now I keep seeing people putting up birth data, could someone
e-mail me and tell me what this is about?

Thanks
Blessed Be to all ya.  I missed y'all.
Tammy
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:34:30 GMT

>mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
>
>>I'm INTP (Introvert/Intuitive/Thinking/Perceiving) but so far
>>Myer-Briggs doesn't seem particularly correlated with paganism--I don't 
>>think I've seen two codes the same--except for the Introvert part.

Okay, for the last week or so, people have been saying things like, 
"I'm . . . " followed by a string of letters.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!?!

Thanks you in advance,
Janis the Bemused
From: jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Ritual Help.
Summary: Looking for help in Protection Rituals
Keywords: Help with Rituals
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:07:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Would anyone out there care to share some Protection Rituals?  

Additionally, I'm wondering if there are any rituals for things
such as: Health, Relief of Anxiety...

On another topic, how does music play a part in your rituals?
I find that music can help me reach an altered state of 
consiousness, under the proper circumstances.  Can music
play a more vital role in all of this?

If it does, or can, any sugguestions on what to listen to?

Thanks and blessings to all,
Jim

jimoates@panix.com



-- 
Admit Nothing
Blame Everyone
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:02:42 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:

> And what about their pearl? Did they make it themselves and have it
> stolen from them, or did they steal it from someone else?
> 

Ha ha, what a question.
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: help from you guys
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:28:05 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <2AD252EB.28154@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis
Maria Cortese) writes:

 >You've talked in the past about what you've said to fundies when they
 >pushed you to keep the situation from getting out of hand.  I think I
 >need some help in that department.

 >I'm TA-ing an anthropology class this quarter, and one of the subjects
 >we touch on, of course, is evolution.  I thought ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
 >about it until I was approached after class by one of the students who
 >asked me what the anthropologists thought about the Bible.  The phrasing
 >he used made me think he was sympathetic to creationism.

We get these people approaching us here too, asking the same inane
questions. If you look in their eyes as they speak you may notice an
odd glazing to their eyeballs, which are actually focused somewhere in
the middle distance behind you.

There is a little program in there somewhere containing a nested loop
set up to look for standard responses to key words, which keeps on
playing back if the keys words are not found.

The code I use to shut it off is:

        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to discuss it
        I don't want to . . .

At about which point you will hear a very soft though audible "oh",
indicating that a ^C exit to the loop has been located and it is safe
for you to turn and walk away.

Gil

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Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:24:02 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Oct14.094104.5435@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:

> In witchcraft (as talked about here on this newsgroup), how do men and
> women compare against each other in their roles, etc., in the religion?
> I noticed many references to "Godess" or "Godesses" - do these
> references to feminine deities reflect a difference in the roles men and
> women are expected to have?

I believe in the superiority of the female.  I know of one other man
who feels like I do, but in general, men and women's roles in
witchcraft to not differ greatly from men and women's roles outside of
the craft.  Many witches talk about how men in the craft are less
sexist, less prone to domestic violence, less abusive.  I have yet to
see much proof of that.  I would say women in the craft are generally
stronger willed, and more progressive.  Men in the craft, will often
give more lip service to equality because of this. 

Then again, I think men are mostly scum.  I think they can recover
from scumminess, but like alcoholics, I think we need to fess up to
being scum before we can really start down the road to recovery. 

Was that about what you meant Fred?

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________

Stephen R. Figgins           |  There was an old woman
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  Who lived under the hill 
PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
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From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Chris Lilley: relax
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:16:10 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:

: 
: OK, I'll go with that. We both have made some valid points that were
: just spun over by the other person, and both of us type too fast to spell
: well :-)  And both have got too hot under the collar for our own good.

Maybe that is because we both share the same Chinese sign of the Boar.

>>: Can we try again?<<

You know we will....;-)

Eshin-Fun

From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:50:12 GMT
Subject: Re: just wondering
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

> of Belushi as a bee are long since gone, SNL has also gone Christian. Praise
> the lord and pass the amunition. Onward Christian soldiers, marching off
> to (Buchanan's Kultural and Religious) war.
 

      Then perhaps they will have Phil Collins on to sing his new song
"I've Been Talking to Jesus" which is just hysterically funny.

      One comment about Sinead O'Connor: It seems as though lots of 
people have made lots of comments about tolerance and the need for 
tolerance of everyone's views. I don't know what her objective was but
it seems *intolerant* as hell! 

      She is probably making a statement about Northern Ireland -- although
it seems to me that she would know well that religion has little to do
with that conflict. 


-r
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:31:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.013623.8610@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>
>>This person may have a point.  I would argue about sticking
>>to modern examples, but I am open to any information any of you
>>out there might have evidence-wise on the existence of Amazon
>>warriors.
>
>The Amazons appear in Greek Mythology, alongside Minotaurs, Cyclopses,
>and what not.  They are not an ancient culture, they are a STORY TOLD BY
>an ancient culture.
>
>If you need a modern, and verifiable example, the Sabra of Israel should
>do nicely.

*deep breath, running room taken*

The word Amazon doesn't quite cut it, although as a description for a
big woman able to take care of herself, it's quite firmly placed in the
public mythos (pardon the pun).

It's thought that the word comes from a-mazos, which is Greek for no-
breasted.  Amazon women were "supposed" to have cut off their right
breast to string and shoot a bow better -- a blatantly male-centered
deduction.  (Would a woman say that Mongolian horsemen were eunuchs just
as obviously because not having a penis would make riding a horse
easier?)  As an example (and I've mentioned this before), take me.  I
am dead center on the gaussian as far as cup size goes, and I shot low
40's last time I pulled a bow.  (For those of you who are morbidly
curious, that means a B-cup.)  Where then did the myth come from?

There are extant in that area of the world many statues of deities with
a male right half, and a female left half.  Guess what?  They don't have
right breasts!  Add in a little sweaty-palmed imagination, and you've
got yourself a story.

Unfortunately for the turd on soc.feminism (I thought more people would
know about this, so I didn't answer before this), historically
corroborated examples of female warriors abound, especially in northern
Europe.  I don't have Rosalind Miles's _The Women's History of the
World_ here, but examples are there.  Roman men were scared shitless of
Gallic women, and Celtic and English women scared them worse.  There's a
line somewhere by a contemporary Roman historian that runs something
like, "An entire Roman legion would not survive a single Gaul were he to
yell to his wife for help.  With huge sallow arms, she administers kicks
and blows as from a catapult."  Celtic prisoners of war were known to
offer their obeisance to the Emperor's WIFE, and not the Emperor
himself.  I'll have to get a copy of the book before I can give you
more, but anyone who thinks that there are NO historically corroborated
exampels of warrior women hasn't looked hard enough.

Blessings,
Janis

P.S.:  Again, sorry I took so long in responding; I just didn't think
the rest of the people on soc.feminism would be so ignorant of this.
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Georgie channeling
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:58:58 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <gate.4ocgsB1w165w@pil.UUCP> usr77@pil.UUCP writes:
>Re: Georgie channeling?
>By: markbr #0 @radian.uucp (markbr) USEnet      
> 
>> Hey! I just heard the news this morning, and I realized that Georgie Bush
>> is now into psychic stuff: he must be channeling - and his spirit guide is
>> (pause one beat) Joe McCarthy
>> ("I don't believe you can be a real American if you don't
>> believe in God" - George Bush)
>
>Actually, I was thinking about either Hitler or Goebbels.
>Blessings
>A.Lizard

Nah, as mad as they were, there was some skill & brilliance to their
vile games. Bush has nothing to fall back on, other than to revive
the Cold War.

Gee, aren't we all *SO* much safer now, with the end of the Soviet Union?
4 fingers on the button, and bankrupt folks willing to sell weaponry for
cash. *I* sure sleep more soundly at night - NOT.

	mark, the nervous
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:34:19 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) wrote:
> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
>>post@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Post) writes:
>>> a boy is about to be born and I have been asked to do a ceremony for his
>>> circumcision.
>> There are >NO< hygenic, or aesthetic or medical reasons to induce this
>> custom that *was* practiced by the ancient Egyptians for certain religious
>> purposes. 
> I beg to differ on this point!  Circumcisions are done to AVOID 
> infections - which are quite common since bacteria can gather
> in the folds and cause very painful infections.

In the UK it has never been a common practice.  I have never encountered
anyone who has had any such problem, or even heard of such a thing
happening to the child of the uncle of a friend of a friend of someone my
brother met on a bus.  This whole "hygiene" bit is a rationalization of a
Jewish-Christian tapu.  (The other rationalization is cancer of the penis,
a fantastically rare cancer of extreme old age associated with childhood
poverty).

What the circumcized probably don't realize is that in young boys the
foreskin is sealed tight to the glans - there is no way for bacteria to
get in unless some uptight parent insists on (painfully!) retracting
the foreskin because "hygiene" says they should clean it.  This makes as
much sense as routinely washing your ears out with soap (the major cause
of external ear infection).  The seal does not normally break till near
puberty.

On the other hand, routine male circumcision in the US causes several
deaths and hundreds of cases of penile mutilation from post-operative
infection or slips with knives and cauteries; one well-publicized case
was of a boy whose penis was entirely burnt off by a cautery run at the
wrong voltage - his parents decided to give him a sex-change operation
in infancy since there was no way to repair the damage.

There is a recent speculative paper which suggests that there may be a high
enough incidence of balanitis in North African desert nomads to make the
benefits of this operation outweigh the risks.  So if you expect your son
to take up a career of riding a dusty camel with no underwear, go for it.

If you really have to mark your son with a religious mutilation, branding
on the buttocks is safer and makes just as much medical sense.

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From: orion_pozo@ncsu.edu (Orion Pozo)
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Organization: North Carolina State University Libraries
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:18:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
> 
> 
> Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
> with a big red cross, reading:
> 
> 	Are you ready for the rapture?
> 
> 	Jesus is coming
> 
> 	October 28, 1992
> 
> Anybody out there got a clue as to where this originated?
> ...
>
> 				- - Steve
> 
> 				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
> 
> 

Steve,
An oriental man with a sandwich board was on my campus about 2-3 weeks 
ago with the same message.  There was a van with New Jersey plates
that had the same message plastered all over the sides parked nearby.
So, he, if not the origin, was from New Jersey.
Sorru I don't know anymore about it.
Orion
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:06:19 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <Bw56Jx.BHr@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.180152.21740@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>>
>>But if we keep this up, will the rest here start practicing Woadun on us?
>>BB (while running for cover)
>
>Tell me something. Woadya do with a drunken sailor?
>
>Bb,
>Corun
>
Um, Put'm inna bucket,
	dye 'im blue all over?

	"I'm so blue,
	   I'm so blue...."

blue blessings,
	mark
From: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:29:15 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <BvuxGx.MA6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes:
>I am an ENFP (Extrovert, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving).  I am 
>rather interested in the J/P dichotomy (Judging vs Perceiving).
>I could have easily guessed that BA Davis-Howe was a J, for instance.

Hmmm... maybe there is something to this Intuitive theory... I'm an
ENTJ.  Heavy on the E and N, light on the T and J. :)

(Excuse if this seems screwed up... first time posting from my PC
instead of my SUN... Sparcy, where are you?? *grin*)

Blessings,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: An amusing, but true story.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:11:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.183533.12691@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>
>Hey! you're new! You probably haven't seen the joke somebody made a while
>back, that I've repeated: 
>   Q: how do you tell a *real* witch from a New Age witch?
>   A: you load all their crystals on them and throw them in the water. The
>	New Age witch will sink...
>
>	mark

As long as we're trading witch jokes, here's one a friend of mine told
me;

	What's the difference between a witch and a wannabe?

	Neither can conjure their way out of a paper bag, but the witch
	will admit it.

Bb,

Corun



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