HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Stephen Gibson
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: re: The case of the vanishing icon and other stories
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:31:48 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, CA


In article <BxqKGu.Cus@beach.csulb.edu> sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:
>  During Windows (3.1) initialization/startup phase the Adobe Type Mangler
>icon appears at the bottom of the screen. However, about midway through
>the process, it suddenly disappears and almost immediately thereafter a
>dialog box appears with the message:
>
>   No application is associated with the specified file. Create an association
>using file manager
>
>  How to I get the icon to not disappear (assuming it shouldn't) and how do
>I get rid of this message. There don't appear to be *any* names, document or
>program, in the LOAD= or RUN= lines of the *.INI files.
>
>
>--
>Jeff Sicherman
>up the net without a .sig


If installed, Adobe Type Manager's icon appears briefly during Windows' 
startup phase (but it does not remain on screen).  As far as your other 
problem is concerned, check if any icon has been created in your StartUp 
group.


Stephen Gibson
System Support Specialist
Sonoma State Universtiy
eMAIL:  gibsonst@sonoma.edu
        Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: anderson@dseg.ti.com (John Anderson)
Subject: QVT 3.,03 SLOOOWNESS bug
Organization: TI-DSEG Spring Creek
Reply-To: anderson@dseg.ti.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:46:28 GMT

I am experiencing a very slow response with the terminal emulator.  This was not the case with
2.85.  Has anyone else noticed this?

John Anderson

anderson@dseg.ti.com (John Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar)
Subject: Re: For all you Mac users...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:38:52 GMT

feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) writes:

>In article <1992Nov20.164103.10573@engr.LaTech.edu>  writes:
>>I guess my primary statement is that the Macs are hurting pretty
>>bad and need to get on the ball.  

>If you mean by this that Apple's not doing well, I'd advise you to change  
>stockbrokers.  Macs are gaining marketshare rapidly.

>If you mean by this that Macs can't do things that PCs with Windows *can*  
>do, I'd quite frankly like to know what.  No flames intended, but I can  
>honestly not think of anything significant that can't be done on a Mac as  
>easily as on Windows, though I *can* think of some things that can be done  
>on a Mac but not a PC.  And quite a few things that can be done on Macs  
>but require high-end-PCs because of the PC's antiquated I/O subsystem.

Among other things, it is a fact that for numerical calculations, a
PC is faster. Which is especially noticeable on spreadsheet and CAD.
Another point that can (and has) been brought up is that for the same
price you can get more on a PC than you can on a Mac. Yes, even motherboard
Ethernet, and Windows for Workgroups.

>--

>Sean Luke
>Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
>sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
>NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
-- 
Ravikumar Venkateswar
rvenkate@uiuc.edu

A pun is a no' blessed form of whit.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Buggy drivers (was: Macintosh bigots)
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:22:36 GMT

rsrodger@next10csc.wam.umd.edu (Robert Stephen Rodgers) writes:
> this must be a joke.  Windows video drivers (talk to me about
> my Diamond ss24x) are buggy as hell.

Why don't you just say "Diamond's video drivers are buggy as hell."  The
Speedstar 24x driver is among the buggiest drivers put out ever, and the
other Diamond drivers aren't much better (just read the .setup group to
see how bad they are).

On the other hand, Tseng's ET4000 drivers are amazingly stable, and the
only bug I've found in our ATI Ultra drivers is that about once a week 
all the colours in DOS boxes turn yellow.  (Apparently the new Ultra Pro
drivers aren't as good yet, though.)

Don't say all drivers are crap just because Diamond releases trash code!

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov14.150215.28192@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu  
(Yamanari) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.141945.18628@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>  
jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy) writes:
> >With the Mac, it's either love it or leave it, the user has no  
choice.
> >That, I susepct, keeps it in its fringe position as much as price  
and
> >closed architecture.  Mac heads have no choice.  Windows and, even  
more,
> >OS/2 users do have a choice.  I'll take choice any day.
> 
> 
> 	This part has me confused.  Choice of what?

The biggest choice you get in Windows but not on the Mac
is choice of interface.  If you don't like the Program Manager,
you can use Norton Desktop, or Aporia, or HP New Wave, or any
of dozens of other interfaces.  This is a plus in the Windows
column. 

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: 925wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:22:07 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <6wkqf8d@lynx.unm.edu>, (Tim Keitt) writes:
>>"Despite our preconception that the sweetest workstation was going to
>>be a Unix system, we chose the Quadra 950 as our favorite.  The Quadra
>>is the winner not only because of its performance on our DTP tests,
>>but because there is more software that is better supported and easier
>>to install, manage, and use than for any of the Unix workstations."
> 
> I subscribe to byte and I thought that was one of the worst 
> technical reviews I've seen from them in four years. They set 
> out to review workstations, but then ad hoc defined workstation 
> as DTP and/or CAD. Their performance evaluation was misleading 
> (like most magazine reviews). They completely ignored the issue 
> of tradeoffs between ease-of-use and overall real-world 
> performance (for those willing to learn to use their system). 
> I'm sure for certain tasks, I'd really like the Quadra, but 
> their analysis was too shallow. I often handle large numbers of 
> scanned images (10-20+MB each) in my research. I can't imagine 
> how frustrating that could be on a MAC. Performance and 
> ease-of-use varies with different kinds of applications on 
> different platforms. I guess I'm a pluralist - the best tool is 
> really dependent on how you use it. The rest is just user 
> preference (which I find has a *lot* to do with what your 
> accustomed to).
> 
> --
> Timothy Keitt
> tkeitt@algodones.unm.edu
> 
> 

	I agree.  I read that article in Byte with disgust.  Not
that I hate a Mac but give me a break, they rated that Compaq as
their 3rd highest choice I believe.  I was more than a little embarrassed
by their ignorance of the real world.  I own a PC and use OS/2 and
really like it but I would never recommend a PC or a Quadra to anyone
as a workstation.  

						-Brad


> 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: ekl@kvamdata.no (Eirik Lygre)
Subject: Re: How MS could annoy Apple
Organization: Kvam data as
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.140759.2228@athena.mit.edu> dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch) writes:
>
>What would happen if...
>
>  Microsoft ported Windows NT to the Macintosh and the PowerPC?
>

Probably not much. People who buy Macs do it because of the user
interface on that computer, which they prefer to the Windows
user interface. NT doesn't improve on the Windows UI, and as
such probably wouldn't make a big difference.

Eirik
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: johnsd2@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: For all you Mac users...
Reply-To: johnsd2@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu.its1
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:15:26 GMT

In article 23037@engr.LaTech.edu, jmains@engr.latech.edu (John P. Mains) writes:
>
>All of you are complaining about how much you dislike Windows.

By no means all Mac users are doing so. Only us gluttons for punishment. :)

>  Personally Win 3.0
>sucks real bad, even on a 486DX.  I got rid of it rather quickly.  I agree that
>the Macs gave us the true first windowing system.

I do not think so; Cerainly the Lisa and Xerox Star came first, and I think
some Unix boxes before that.

>  But with the advent of 3.1
>there were alot less problems and alot more applications.

Yeah, that's true.

>  The 3.1 environment
>is still not the best thing to look at as it is (Neither is the mac IMHO) but
>there are many applications out there to change all that.

The aethetics are a personal thing, imho. You can change the Macs also.

>  I got rid of program
>manager because I still didn't like it and subsituted a shareware buttonbar 
>program that is much easier and efficient to use.

Most Mac users dont replace teh finder, though replaces exist. Coincidence,
no doubt. :)

>The increased speed of 3.1 is one of the primary reasons I use 3.1 now.  In fact
>almost everything I do now is through 3.1 (Excel isn't that good though compared
>to Quattro) but windows 3.1 is truly only for fast systems.  I have worked on
>386SX with windows and it is too slow.  I can't even install 3.1 on a friends 286.

I agree with you here. I think that's a serious problem in Windows.

>So win3.1 is really only for people who have the power computers.  Eventually that
>will be all computer users. 

Dubious, the definition of "power" keeps rising. :)

> There are more applications written for 3.1 than for the
>mac (Scientific, business, wordprocessing, and catching up in image processing).

And there are more DOS apps than Windows apps being written (still), I think..

>  The
>mac is still champ when it comes to business applications or educational >programs
>but it just isn't worth the money to buy a mac with limited applications and
> decreasing
>support whereas most programs in all walks of life are being oriented for the 
>windows environment.

Its true everyone is jumping on the Windows bandwagon- thats where the money
is- but they continue to develop for  the Mac (money there too). So you
haven't justified the "decreasing support" line, nor the "limited applications"
line.

>In other words, the ibmpc machine (if it is fast enouph with the memory) will outperform any mac, any day.  And if it doesn't in some area I am not aware of,
>it soon will.

That's a nice blatant assertion, but rather than call you on it (since for
some PC clones its true) I'll just quietly ask you why I should care.

---
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

These opinions have had all identifiying marks removed, and are untraceable.
You'll never know whose they are.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: rvenkate@ih-nxt07 (R A Venkateswar)
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:30:49 GMT

johnsd2@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:

>In article 721932965@dhhalden.no, runehh@dhhalden.no (RUNE HALFDAN HOLST HUSEBY) writes:
>>In article <00t1hlb@rpi.edu> johnsd2@jec314.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:
>[deletia- metafiles]
>>>>You don't, if you only need simple sounds. There is always the 
>>>>speaker.
>>>
>>>Which can only beep under Windows, no? Or did windows pick up a driver
>>>for the internal speaker that I dont know about?
>>There is a driver for the internal speaker you don't know about. It's OK as 
>>long as you don't need noise-free sound.

>I understand from an email conversation that this driver disables
>interrupts. This would mean you cant use it asyncrhonously (it
>locks up your mouse). Kinda... cheesy.. no wonder MS didn't
>include it.

Not if you set it not to disable them.


<stuff about video memory accessing deleted>

>>>>They're starting to sell S3 cards for 450 DM (about 290$) here in 
>>>>Germany. When bundled with a machine, you'll probably get it for
>>>>less.
>>>
>>>How deep is this cards display? How many pixels does it produce?
>>
>>Not quite sure about this. I think some is capable of 24-bit in some modes.
>>This usually depends on how much video-mem you have.

The card mentioned is probably the Diamond Speedstar 24X. Which is
accelerated, displays 640X480X16M and upto 1600X1200X16.

>Somebody else did; its 8 bits deep but 1000someodd by 1000someodd.
>(where accelerated Mac cards are usually 24 bits, as 8 bit accelerated
>is overkill; this beefs up the price of course)

>[deletia- my Resources mistake, already covered elsewhere in more detail]
>---
>			- Dan Johnson
>And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

>These opinions have had all identifiying marks removed, and are untraceable.
>You'll never know whose they are.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From:  andr@ncmi.kis.nnov.su (Kostunin A.N.)
Subject: One question about HC31.exe
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:01:11 GMT
Reply-To: andr@ncmi.kis.nnov.su
Organization: Medical Research Center


 Hello, all!
 I'm writing Help files and I'm using HC31.exe ver.3.10 from SDK3.1 Microsoft.
I'd like a part of BMP to be a cross-reference. I've split BMP into pieces and
inserted them into RTF file. One of the parts (in the middle of the picture)
was made a cross-reference. But after compilation I've lost a piece of BMP
following this cross-reference. Duely, it wasn't specified as hidden, I've
checked it. I've looked through RTF file and think everything is correct.
Is it a bug in HC31? Had anybody experienced such problems? Can anybody help
me? Thanks in advance.
Andry Kostjunin.

Andr@ncmi.kis.nnov.su

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: johnsd2@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: For all you Mac users...
Reply-To: johnsd2@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu.its1
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:41:00 GMT

In article 10573@engr.LaTech.edu, jmains@engr.latech.edu (John P. Mains) writes:
>>>...Macs gave us the true windowing system.
>>I do not think so;...Lisa and Xerox Star came first...
>
>I stand corrected.
>
>>>...In other words, the ibmpc machine... will outperform any
>>>mac, any day. Andi if it doesn't it some area I am not aware of 
>>>it soon will.
>>...I'll just quietly ask you why I should care.
>
>I guess my primary statement is that the Macs are hurting pretty
>bad and need to get on the ball.

A statement for which I see little evidence myself, but...

>  I learned about computers on
>the Mac.  but I soon needed capabilities that it couldn't easily
>supply.

It may be true that it can't meet your needs, which is a good
reason to use something else. (tho it does not necessarily
follow that a PC clone is the thing)

>But I fold now, I know when I have been given a good tongue
>lashing, I've learned a good lesson to keep my opinions backed
>up next time and strickly not emotional blabbering. 

Aw, nonsence! You just need to learn a little stubborness. Im taking
a much nastier tonge lashing and you dont see me backing out? No, I just
keep babbling! :)

Your trouble is that you know when you're licked! :)

---
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

These opinions have had all identifiying marks removed, and are untraceable.
You'll never know whose they are.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: jmains@engr.latech.edu (John P. Mains)
Subject: For all you Mac users...
Reply-To: jmains@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:06:59 GMT


All of you are complaining about how much you dislike Windows.  Personally Win 3.0
sucks real bad, even on a 486DX.  I got rid of it rather quickly.  I agree that
the Macs gave us the true first windowing system.  But with the advent of 3.1
there were alot less problems and alot more applications.  The 3.1 environment
is still not the best thing to look at as it is (Neither is the mac IMHO) but
there are many applications out there to change all that.  I got rid of program
manager because I still didn't like it and subsituted a shareware buttonbar 
program that is much easier and efficient to use.
The increased speed of 3.1 is one of the primary reasons I use 3.1 now.  In fact
almost everything I do now is through 3.1 (Excel isn't that good though compared
to Quattro) but windows 3.1 is truly only for fast systems.  I have worked on
386SX with windows and it is too slow.  I can't even install 3.1 on a friends 286.

So win3.1 is really only for people who have the power computers.  Eventually that
will be all computer users.  There are more applications written for 3.1 than for the
mac (Scientific, business, wordprocessing, and catching up in image processing).  The
mac is still champ when it comes to business applications or educational programs
but it just isn't worth the money to buy a mac with limited applications and decreasing
support whereas most programs in all walks of life are being oriented for the 
windows environment.

In other words, the ibmpc machine (if it is fast enouph with the memory) will outperform any mac, any day.  And if it doesn't in some area I am not aware of,
it soon will.

JP
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:57:38 GMT

>dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch) writes:

>A question: on your $7000 Quadra 950, can you perform the simple multitasking
>task of formatting a floppy in the background? It's easy under MS-Windows. Start
>the format in File Manager, and click on another app, and the format continues. I
>have not seen the Mac do this (except A/UX :)

What I really can't understand is this passion for formating floppys in the 
background. Is that all people do the whole day long? Writing programs and 
formating floppys in the background? 
I, personally, don't use floppys all that much and when I do need them I 
usually can find one already formated. 
What are you guys doing with all those floppies you formatted in the 
background?
--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"Another casualty of applied meta-physics!" -- Hobbes
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How MS could annoy Apple
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:16:10 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <sft1#hr@rpi.edu>  writes:
>NeXTStep does impress me, also, although it could use a better file  
>manager, and a more efficient display system.

To be honest, I've been quite impressed with the NeXT's file manager,  
especially when compared to the Finder (okay, *especially* when compared  
to Windows' setup :).  What in particular are you referring to?


>>  I've used all three, and have yet to
>>see a NeXT crash!
>
>I understnad that when a NeXT crash, its hard to recover,
>but I have no direct experience.

Well, NeXTs are UNIX machines, so deep down they're still grungy.  But  
honestly they're not that bad to bring up when they go down.  

Nonetheless, to really *crash* a NeXT to the point where it'd take a bit  
to bring it back up, you'd have to mess it up pretty seriously.  Unless  
your system operator has done something weirdo with your NeXT at work,  
etc., this is very very uncommon.  An equivalent crash on a Mac or a PC  
would likewise mean...time to re-install.


--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: rsrodger@next10csc.wam.umd.edu (Robert Stephen Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:59:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.004615.18657@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>  
jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy) writes:
> You may not like the 'competitive upgrade' offers precisely because
> there aren't any (many? I really don't know) for Macs.  In the
> Intel-based world, such offers make sense for developers...even a small
> percentage of market share means many more users/upgraders/installed
> base than in happy Mac land.


	Christ.  did I say I own a Mac?  Someone makes a positive
	comment about the Mac (relative to the PC) and they're
	branded as a Mac groupie.  I own and use a PC.  I do not
	like Macs, in general, because the GUI gets in _my_ way.

	In reference to competitive upgrades, I do not like the practice
	because what they are doing is giving a low price to all
	"insiders" and giving an exorbidant, piggish price to everyone
	else (which is pretty must _only_ first time users or 
	the government--both are getting screwed).  If anything, 
	the competitive upgrade prices (which still provide a 
	healthy profit margin, BTW) lend credence to the assertion that
	the "software costs are high because of piracy" argument is
	bullshit.

	IMHO, it's a sleazy thing to do.  If they accept that the
	SW will not sell at those prices, they should just drop'em.
	The competitive-upgrade pricing is just a way for them to
	drop the price for now, so they can raise it again without
	causing a stir (i.e. "Microsoft increases price of MS Word 200%!")..


> Once again, I never said that Mac users couldn't buy stuff only that you
> guys just don't have as wide a range of choice.  As for Mac video
> support being better than, say, Windows ('it works better'), thell that
> to my colleague running system 7 (plus the, ahem, 'tuneup' bug fix)
> who's been trying to get his full page size monitor to work right...  As


	this must be a joke.  Windows video drivers (talk to me about
	my Diamond ss24x) are buggy as hell.  They're non-existant for
	OS/2, so I guess it's a step up.. <And it's certainly better
	then the DOS situation...>



> Good luck with your new LJ4!  I'm envious!  I've had my IIP for three
> years now and it's a first class little critter...can't wait to win the
> lottery and get me a LJ4!

	
	Thanks.  We got it when out IIp died.  May you're live a little
	longer (and die a lot quieter  :)  )





--
 Robert Stephen Rodgers  ||  rsrodger@wam.umd.edu  || IRC: Yamanari
 --------NeXTmail-preferred!!--------------------------------------
 Snout: O Bottom, thou art chang'd!  What do I see on thee?          
 Bottom: What do you see?  You see an ass-head of your own, do you?  
	Q:  What did the academic say to the art major?
	A:  "I'll take a big mac and fries."
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:12:23 GMT

In article <BxvAB4.2AB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole) writes:
>
>>Both AutoCAD and Quattro Pro use a mouse. And AutoCAD uses digitizers,
>>which I haven't seen for the Mac (although I must admit, I wouldn't know).
>
>
>There is a plethora of digitizers for the Mac. There is also the advantage that

	Let's hope that there are also a lot of grammar checkers available
to boot.

	ToodlepiP!
	Marc 'em.
-- 
  storm@cs.mcgill.ca           McGill University         "-- Attack ships on
  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA             fire "
	Any opinions expressed are not mine, but those of the Demon Lord
      Yeegeheeegenogohugu who possessed me whilst I munched on Raisin Bran.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy