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From: tom@varian.com (tom cao)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: What's a 'white passport' for permanent residents?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:59:27 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

In article <1813@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes:

>I have heard that there is something called a 'white passport' that
>the US can issue to US Permanent Residents. 
	more formally called a 'travel document'. It certifies that you
	are a legal resident of the US and if the country that let you in
	doesn't want you, it may deport you to the US.
	Also known as a "laissez passer", french for pass.

>Does anyone know anything about this? Can it be used for normal travel?
>Does it replaces ones own regular passport? yes it could.
	Many US residents don't have valid passport from the old country,
	and may use this. Most european countries will let you in.
	Inquire with the INS and consulates.
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From: CCHB <CCHB@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Polynesian music
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:31:19 GMT

In article <C0CH0s.DIC@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
> [This question pertains to international music but there
>  doesn't seem to be an rec.music.international or alt.music.
>  international newsgroup visible from here.  I also posted
>  this to rec.music.misc.  Is there a better place to post this?]
>
> I just returned from French Polynesia where I had an
> interesting experience.  On Christmas we were on Bora Bora
> so we decided to go to church.  Bora Bora is a tiny island
> of about 4000 people and the main town is a little village
> of tin-roof shacks, mangy dogs and a single, rutted main
> roads.
>
> We went to a local Protestant church where the entire
> congregation (~250) was Polynesian and my wife and I and
> another couple were the only outsiders. They gave us some
> pews off to the side.  The congregation was about 60% women,
> 30% men, 10% children.  The adults were dressed in white,
> with the women wearing long dresses and white straw hats like
> something from an Impressionist painting from the 1890's.
>
> We had heard the music was good but we didn't know what to
> expect (Silent Night in French?  Away in the Manger in Polynesian?)
> After some sermonizing in Polynesian the minister stopped talking.
> Suddenly one woman sang out a verse of something Polynesian in a
> high, clear voice.  Then others joined in, right on time and on
> key.  And then still others.
>
> It was the most beautiful music I had ever heard in any house of
> worship anywhere in the world.  It was nothing that I could identify
> as being in the western liturgical or hymnal tradition.  It was all
> in Polynesian, all a cappella, and totally without any choir or
> chorus director.  It had some of the most complex harmonies
> I've ever heard.   It was amazingly smooth and "professional",
> i.e., I'm sure they could have played Carnegie Hall or Symphony
> Hall in Boston and wowed them, but this was in a little one-street
> village in the middle of nowhere, singing just for themselves, i.e.,
> not for the tourists.
>
> And above all it was extraordinarily moving!  From a few moments
> of when it started it brought tears to my eyes.  A week and a half
> later it still haunts me.
>
   (lines deleted)

>
>
>---peter
>
>.
>.

I had a similar experience in the Cook Islands. On the main island
(Rarotanga) there are about 15 churches for the 9,000 inhabitants.
A group of us attended a service at a Cook Islands Christian Church -
about 300 in attendance - 250 of the locals and about 50 of "us" -
(standing room only). No air conditioning, but with all the windows
and doors wide open, a steady breeze could be felt throughout.

The singing was exactly as you described above - mostly Polynesian,
but some was in English - as were the readings and talks by the
minister. Very moving.


Hugh.

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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: Does US make new citizens give up their old passport?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:09:21 GMT

In article <1814@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes:
>When one becomes a naturalized US citizen, does the INS make you give
>up your old passport?

The US requires you to renounce all other citizenships that you may
have in order to be naturalized as a US citizen. They do not in
particular ask you to surrender any other Passports to them. However,
the country(s) of which you renounce citizenship in the process of
naturalizing as a US citizen may be interested in getting their
Passports back since you just renounced their citizenship.

>Can anyone who has gone through the process recently shed some light.
>I know some countries allow you to maintain dual citizenship, but thats
>kind of hard to do if they take your old passport away.

You can get dual citizenship if the country other than US that you
want to be a citizen of agrees to give you citizenship without
requiring you to renounce US citizenship as a precondition for the
granting of such citizenship. So in some sense you give up your old
Passport, get a new citizenship in the other country after getting
your US citizenship and then get a new Passport from the other
country. However, be warned that you must be extremely careful when
you get the second citizenship. Make sure that you check with an
immigration lawayer and/or the State Department to ensure that the
acquisition of the second citizenship does not jeopardize your US
citizenship (assuming that you do not inadvertently want to lose your
US citizenship).

Many countries have dual citizenship laws that allow you to become a
citizen without renouncing citizenship of certain other specific
countries, often US being one of those specific countries. But most
countries do not have such laws. Of late India is in the process of
framing laws that would allow US citizens who were born in India (so
called Non-Resident Indians or NRIs) to get dual citizenship in India,
while maintaining their US citizenship.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com

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From: dmadeo@is.morgan.com (David Madeo)
Subject: repost: Club Med (Mexico) Intensive Riding Program
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:10:40 GMT

[sorry if you've seen this before, problems with news]

Hello, 

I'm interested in taking a vacation at either the Sonora Bay or Playa
Blanca Club Med resorts.  My girlfried who's been riding about 15
years and currently competes in combined training events in the novice
and training levels expressed some interest in the intensive English
program.  Looking at their brochure, she falls into the "advanced"
section of the course.

I'd appreciate any comments or information anyone can pass on.  Her
biggest question is whether it's useful enough to do in the first
place and if it might be too much for a vacation.

Please reply by mail and thanks in advance,

dmadeo

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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Polynesian music
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:09:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1993Jan6.011651.1043@cis.ohio-state.edu> msriram@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (M G SriRam) writes:
>In article <C0Dxwy.6GM@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>
>( Many causes of the demise of polynesian culture deleted)
>
>To add to this excellent review, another very important cause of the
>destruction of polynesian art, culture, and indeed population, has
>been christian missionary activity.  The few remaining works of art
>and sculpture that can be seen, eg in the Bishop museum in Honolulu,
>somehow escaped these censors, who burnt whatever they deemed obscene.
>
>In this vein, I recall a sickening experience in Honolulu some years
>back.
 . . . 
>                                                 It completely
>disgusted us to see that one of the groups which had  found a truly
>happy and guiltless society and destroyed it by imposing nonsensical
>notions of guilt and morality,

   I agree with you about the unconscionable destruction of Polynesian
   culture in Hawaii, the Marquesas, and the Society Islands by the 
   Christian missionaries.

   But I'm not sure I would agree with your characterization of
   early Polynesian culture as "happy and guiltless". 

   I think there's a tendency for westerners, when confronted with
   a new culture to either demonize it (as the Christians did) or
   idealize it, as you (or Margaret Meade, et al) seem to do.

   Polynesians fought bloody wars with each other, performed human
   sacrifices, and had very strict rules.   Men and women were not
   allowed to even *eat* together in many Polynesian cultures and
   some Hawaiian practices included the death penalty for stepping
   on the shadow of a king.  Among the results of the Polynesian
   immigration to Hawaii from what is now French Polynesia was the 
   genocide (whether deliberate or accidental is unknown) of the
   earlier occupants of the Hawaiian islands, about whom little is
   today known.

   The key thing, I think, is to accept another culture's right to 
   exist even if we don't necessarily like or agree with all
   their values or practices.


---peter


   
   


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From: GROSSER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Grosser Martin)
Subject: blaeh-Venezuela !!!
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:18:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

sorry,

das VENEZUELA-Trekking war kein kommerzielles (no advertisement) posting.

Den Preis habe ich selbst, nebst Freundin,als ganz normaler Teilnehmer bezahlt,
der Veranstalter weiss ueberhaupt nichts von meinem Bericht hier, ich haette 
keinerlei Provision und keinerlei nutzen wenn auch nur ein einziger auf den 
Geschmack kommen wuerde. Auch habe ich nichts mit der Organisation, Vermittlung
und Abrechnung zu tun.
Trotzdem koennte ich mir vorstellen, dass einige Leute, die nichts mit 
Neckerman-Tourismus o. ae.  am Hut haben, sich fuer alternatives Reisen und 
Preise interessieren.

martin

Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Proliferation of unsafe aircraft parts?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:48:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1993Jan5.213859.16133@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>In the January issue of Northwest Airlines' inflight magazine there's an
>article about the widespread use of inferior key parts on commercial airplanes.

    They had this in the **INFLIGHT MAGAZINE** ??!!

    I'm astounded.  NW announced layoffs earlier this week -- I assume
    the editor was among them.

    The current issue of Conde Nast Traveler has exactly such an article
    (a good one too, take a look).   Are you sure that's not what you 
    were reading?


---peter
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:39:53 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject:    International Currency Conversion

After years of travelling around the continent ( = Europe) and having to deal
with currency conversion, I've found a bank that
a) pays a high interest rate on any one of 18 currencies
b) has no minimum deposit amount or period
c) has very low conversion rates
d) has no charge when you switch from one currency to another
e) is extremely flexible and 'always there' on the end of a phone/fax line

Anyone wanting to know more should contact me via e-mail, giving a fax or
postal address.
R. A. Flood
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: What to "not miss" in Las Vegas?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:13:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.041839.158@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Andrew Patrick) writes:
> I am going to be in Vegas later this week for a conference.  Given that I am
> not much of a gambler, and the weather is going to be lousy, I thought
> I would check out the net wisdom.

I would recommend going to Hoover Dam (a.k.a. Boulder Dam).  The tour there is at
least partly indoors, so bad weather shouldn't be a major problem.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
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say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
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From: jamensky@bnr.ca (Mark Jamensky)
Subject: Info on parks around Grand Canyon
Reply-To: jamensky@bnr.ca (Mark Jamensky)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:03:32 GMT

  I will be travelling to the Grand Canyon in May for about a week of hiking and
rafting.  I have heard that there are a number of other parks that are well worth
seeing that are within several hours driving.  I have one other week and I would
like to know how best to spend it in one or more of Zion, Bryce Canyon, Capitol
Reef, Canyonlands, Arches, and Mese Verde.

  Thanks once again.
 
--            | Bell-Northern Research - Ottawa | Conform or be cast out.
Mark Jamensky | jamensky@bnr.ca  (613) 765-4942 | - Rush
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From: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com (Andy Deitsch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: MIDDLE EAST
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:48:30 GMT
Reply-To: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research & Development

steve.willan@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Willan) writes:

>What about visiting Israel...Ive heard of ways to enter the country
>after having a Arab country Visa stamp on it....

You can enter Israel with an Arab country Visa stamp, but can't go
the other way (except for Egypt).  If you have an Israeli visa in
your passport and want to visit an Arab country, should should get
another passport.

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Schenectday, NY 12301                    dial comm: 833-7207
From: steve@hri.com (Steve Iannetti)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cruise Information
Keywords: My experiences
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:18:28 GMT
Reply-To: steve@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

My wife and I started "cruising" in 1985 on our honeymoon and have taken
three cruises since then. We had a great time on all four cruises (3 
different cruise lines) but we were most impressed with the Royal Carribean
Line (RCL). The food was excellent, the entertainment was first rate, and 
the service was incredible.  I have included a little summary of each of 
the cruises and my own personal rating of each (of course, your mileage may
vary):
   
   Rank  Cruise Line               Ship                    Destination (from)
   ----  ------------------------  ----------------------  -----------------------
    #1   Royal Carribean Line      Song of America         Caribbean (Miami)
    #2   Royal Carribean Line      Sovereign of the Seas   Carribean (Miami)
    #3   Norwegian Cruise Line     Sunward??               Carribean (Miami)
    #4   Holiday Lines             S.S. Meridian           Bermuda (Boston)
	 
 				Food    Service   Entertainment  Accomodations
				----    -------   -------------  -------------
 RCL Song of America               9 	 10            9              7 
 RCL Sovereign of the Seas         9	 10            9              7
 NCL Sunward ??                    8	  8            7              4
 Hol S.S. Meridian                10      9            4              4
					  
 Notes: To be fair I should mention that both RCL ships were alot newer than
	other ships which accounts for the large descrepancy in accomodations.
	We also payed more for the RCL Cruises which may just support the 
        expression "you get what you pay for".
								      
 I actually think you would have to try very hard in order to have a bad time
 on any Carribean Cruise. Hope this helps.

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Subject: Re: Vermont Sightseeing
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:49:10 EST (Sun)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)

>>4. Go to Burlington, it's a college town. Perhaps take the ferry across
>>   the lake. Lake Placid, NY is not that far away..
>A bit difficult during the winter, since Lake Champlain freezes over
>completely around the end of January.

The Burlington ferry stops in the winter, but there's one farther north
between Grand Isle and Plattsburgh that runs all winter.  It's pretty cool
to go plowing through a field of tinkling crushed ice.  Personally I think
that Lake Placid is overrated unless you want to try the bobsled run.

>A nice drive through southern Vermont is route 7, which goes up the western
>part of the state.

Agreed, though route 100, which goes up the middle of the state, is more
"typically" Vermont.  The western part of the state is so flat that there
are actual farms with normal flat fields.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
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From: smd@fct.unl.pt (Sergio Marco Duarte)
Subject: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa -- Lisbon, Portugal
	<WLIM.93Jan10152737@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:44:33 GMT

   
   wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim) writes:

>     Danke; German
>     Kum Siah; Chinese (Fukienese or Hokkien)
>     Merci or Merci Beaucoup; French 
>     Ng Kuoi; Chinese(Cantonese), Hong Kong
>
>     Obligada(f)/Obligado(m) or Mutto Obligada/Obligado; Portuguese

      Actually it spells like this.
      Obrigado/Obrigada or Muito Obrigado/Muito Obrigada; Portuguese( Portugal,
                            Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, Guine' Bissau and Sao Tome')
>
>     Thanks, Thank you, or Thank you very much;  English
>     Terima Kasih; Indonesian & Malaysian (Bahasa Malaysia), Indonesia & Malaysia
>     Trims; Indonesian, Indonesia 
>   Willie

      Watch those 'rs Willie

     -Regards Sergio
      
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From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Vermont Sightseeing
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:37:02 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Take a shovel and skis with you.
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From: cfwpm@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Bill McGown)
Subject: Re: Vienna info needed: Hotels?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University


Funny you should ask - my wife and daughter are going next week and I
was going to ask the same question. They were looking for accomodations
in the $40-$60 range for the two of them. No need to be anything fancy -
just safe and clean. Any suggestions would be most appreciated!

Also while you have your Vienna thinking cap on good restaurant suggestions
would be most helpful. Here they will splurge and spend the money they
saved on rooms! ;-)  so any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks...

Bill.

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From: randy@halcyon.com (C. Brandon Gresham)
Subject: Re: Restaurants in Bangkok....
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:22:55 GMT

fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:


>Net.travelwise:

>I posted a note a while back regarding any good restaurants & fruit


I hope this fills the bill on Bangkok Food:

  We love Thai food-it is one of the reasons we've been
  back about every two years and hope to continue
  returning in the future. Unlike many tourists, we eat
  freely from the street stalls and have never been
  sick. We try to pick places where the ingredients and
  the food handlers look clean and where they do a good
  business with the locals. Generally avoid ice and
  water except in the big hotels. Restaurants The Toll
  Gate, 245/2 Soi 31, Sukhumvit Road, Tel; 258-4634
  T
  They serve Thai food cooked in the Royal manner but
  served in cosy surroundings. Open Monday to Saturday
  for lunch and dinner. Laikhraim, Off Soi 49
  Sukhumvit, turn down the Soi opposite the hospital.
  Excellent. authentic Thai food. Worth the effort to
  find it. You may be the only farang there. (The
  "heat" of the food reflects the mix of their
  clientele.) Bussaracum Restaurant, 35 Soi Pipat off
  Convent Rd They have and each day on the restaurant
  page of the Bangkok Post. This place is clean, lovely
  and the food was great the first several times we
  went. Was said to be one of the finest in the
  city-d5. Make a reservation
  and they will seat you downstairs where they have
  lovely ladies playing gentle music. On later visits
  it was not so great. Marriott bought it and it is now
  full of tour groups. No restaurant can withstand that
  abuse. Neil'sTavern-near the American Embassy This
  place is a genuine American steak howe haven't a
  steak as I can remember and Phuket lobster, About $36
  for two with drinks.  Oriental Hotel:- Lord Jim's,
  seafood buffet luncheon-good. Thai Night Buffet by
  the river, tame sampling of wide variety of Thai
  food. Safe choice if the street stalls don't tempt
  you. ( Now replaced by their restaurant on the other
  side of the river, D'Jit Pochana.  Normandy, French
  food, very good and expensive.

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From: begley@l14h13.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Orlando without Mickey
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:47:10 GMT

In article <C0Dxty.EJw.1@cs.cmu.edu> jcm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris McGlone) writes:
>Is there life in Orlando outside of Disney? The NY Times had a 
>short article which mentioned an art museum--how is it? What's the best
>beach within a reasonable drive?  
>
>Chris McGlone
>
   Try airboat rides on a Kissemmee swamp.  THere is some large gardens
about 40 miles south (did not go).  Best beach is Canaveral National
Seashore, access thru Titusville.  CALL FIRST!  If a shuttle is on
the north pad, the road to the beach will be closed.  North-most
parking lot (most distant) is clothing optional beach.  Visit the
Kennedy Space center, too, and if you NEED a souvenier for friends at
home, Cocoa Beach is home of Ron Jon's, "World's Largest Surf Shop",
open 24 hours a day, I am told.

From: chrisb@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Chris Bunsen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:39:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Yucatan Info Needed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.travel

/ hpcvra:rec.travel / bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) /  8:16 am  Jan  5, 1993 /

If you can't stand CANCUN (I can't) and want a few amenities
go to Isla Mujeres....great place....hardly any cars...
-- 
Ted....
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