From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: How Much Did The U.S. Get?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:09:58 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology

In article <3755@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.225404.11224@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>>
>>	How do you spell "paranoid fantasy"?
>
>Let's see ... V..i..g..n..e..s
>
>>In article <3745@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>
>>>I wonder how much money and/or oil the United States received
>for planning and participating in the invasion of Kuwait versus
>its full-scale war against Iraq?
>>
>>	I'm having trouble following this.
>
>Figures ...
>
>>	Are you saying that Iraq paid us to let them invade,
>>	or that Kuwait paid us to stop them,
>>	or that they took turns paying us???
>
>Two weeks before the actual invasion, there were Iraqi troops
>on the Kuwaiti border and Saddam was threatening to invade.
>What happened during those two weeks?  Why didn't the U.S., if
>the CIA is informed of every action in the Middle East, send a
>handful of soldiers to Kuwait?  What about the night before the
>invasion?  Why did the U.S. allow Iraq to invade Kuwait?  Was
>it all planned?  A game, where U.S. control would be extended in
>the M.E., and where *big* money is concerned?  Are we to actually
>blindly believe that the powerful United States can wipe out such
>a huge country as Iraq in such a short period of time and not
>know where the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein is?  Or couldn't end
>the reign of his dictatorship?

I think that the stupid and naive, Arabist policies of the United States
is the reason for all these blunders and more. The US did not believe 
(as did Egyptians/Suadis or indeed the Kuwaitis themselves) that Saddam
could be so ruthless and brutal. I think that the US should have treated
Arab dictatorships AND TERROR ORGANIZATIONS much more harshly all the
time and I think that their greed and naivette (read Arabist tendencies)
cause their blunders in the Iraq-Kuwait and cause them to their
obsessiveness against WB settlement and Peace for Territory policies
in regard to Isareli-Arab conflict.

I think that not killing Saddam Husein (or at least trying the best to
do it) was a MAJOR mistake , again motivated by stupid righteousness
and incompetence.

>
>What about the millions of dollars that Kuwait paid to the United
>States to confront the ruthless dictatorship of Saddam Hussein
>only *after* the invasion - to turn U.S. sympathy and support for
>destruction of Iraq - to rescue a country that itself is headed
>by crooked businessmen dressed in sheep's clothing?  What about the
>prices of oil after the invasion - are we to believe that this was
>just over oil?  And why did the U.S. make the people of Iraq suffer
>by imposing economic sanctions while the bloodthirsty Saddam was
>walking the streets?

Since Anisa is so opposed to Saddam's rule but portrays any move to
ruin and topple him as vicious and conspiratory. How do you suggest
deposing of him? praying to Allah? crossing fingers?
Condemning Saddam and calling him names isn't unfortunately enough.
(As many Israelis remember after the Scuds fell on their heads)
You must counter power with power and evil with harsh measures, the
appeasment methods do not work on Hitler/Saddam types.

>Are you and others *that* naive?  To blindly support such policies?
>

I did not see any better "Moslem" policies to uproot Saddam. if you 
had - maybe you should inform Bush about them.

>>>I also wonder how Saddam benefitted out of the deal - is he
>allowed to remain Iraq's President for life still?
>>
>>	Can you imagine how much it would cost to put up his family?
>>	I hear he has fifty wives and several hundred children.
>
>I think he only has two wives - and one mistress.  Maybe we can
>examine the lifestyle of the Emir of Kuwait ... was is the count
>now?

Now, if that ain't reflexive defense on Saddam, what is? 
(I guess it is unconcious with you Anisa) :-( 

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David.
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