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From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Subject: Re: A Maoist View of North Korea
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:25:07 GMT

In article <9207250802.AA23194@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET writes:
>
>A Line on the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>
>Maoist Internationalist Movement
>PO Box 559
>Cambridge, MA 02140
>
>science@mitvma.mit.edu
>
>
>by mc5

[Etc.]

Care to tell the net who you are, mc5?

-- Douglas Harper

-- 
Douglas Harper     | ORA Corporation | 301A Dates Drive | Ithaca, NY 14850 
harper@oracorp.com | (607) 277-2020  | FAX: 277-3206    | USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: More replies from Maoists
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:41:27 GMT

In article <9207310517.AA10219@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET (M) writes:
>
>OK, OK, some of you aren't serious. This is entertainment.
>
>Certainly Harper is not joking and I didn't take any of the responses
>as entertaining.
>
>I will try to address why this is a serious matter for
>us at MIM somewhere else, like alt.activism; even though,
>right now I can't seem to post there. "We" refers to MIM.
>We don't take any of these things as interesting or
>entertaining or important as individuals per se.

OK, I just went through the Maoist thread (well, sort of).  I can't agree
with most of them, admittedly because I do not know (and care) about the
ideology enough.  I was thinking otherwise before, but after reading this
article, it led me to believe that you are not one of the obnoxious people
who come out this group every now and then (and right now was about time).
Apparently, this seems to mean very much to you.  I respect your belief and
wish you a good luck in spreading out your belief.

If I were to make a suggestion, however, I hope this might remind you that
there ARE many individualists, such as me, who would rather care more about
the little things around them before worry about the world.  So while some
people don't sound serious, maybe they weren't really joking either.  We
may not all that helpful for world peace, but ignoring us (individuals)
would lead you to a serious mistake since there are so many of us.

When they were asking for your name, they weren't attacking you personally.
In the subjective and delicate issue like this, the speaker's attitude does
make a difference because it affects the speaker's credibility.

BTW, your name keeps changing and shriking so much, it does provoke my
curiosity too.  :)


Andrew Kim
From: hjkim@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Try VADA hangul from my sun
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:11:14 GMT

I am going to open my sun account for a week and
will upload VADA hangul word processor which is freeware I believe.
I ftped it from Kaist and found it is very similar to area ah hangul.
If you still do not have Hangul Word process, try it


ftp pin 131.204.44.100
user: kim
passwd:kim0000
cd hangul

file name vada.zip

download this zip file and use pkunzip.


P.S. This door will be closed by 07/28/92.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:40:33 GMT

Hmmmm....actually I remember some guys claiming this event would happen on
July 12nd or 14th something..now it's already over...so I suppose they have
no choice other than being quiet..
The biggest group as I remember related with this trend is called "DaMi Mi-
ssionary.." (DaMi is abbreviation for phrase "Prepare for the coming future").
I heard that a very good book arguing against this (in the perspective of
so-called mainstream christianity) was published in Korea. 
Anyway...people always seem to love these things without interests in real
messages in a religion..

BTW
In article <1992Jul22.170659.22269@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>	Maybe I'll plant apple tree on 10/27/92.

You don't need to, 'cause it won't happen.. :-).. However, planting a tree
is good thing, isn't it?

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........
From: chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: 2 Bytes, Korean Software Market info requested
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:12:21 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu


To all netters everywhere, I'd appreciate any technical info on the 
subject of double bytes necessary to represent hangul and about the 
current Korean Software Market, both personal and business.  Any 
contribution from anybody would be very much appreciated.  Thank you.

Chris M. Kim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Try VADA hangul from my sun
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 04:17:16 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul21.231114.3123@ducvax.auburn.edu> hjkim@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>I am going to open my sun account for a week and ftp ....
	A week is good enough to post an article on *.forsale.* under
	your mailid, have it mailed, get the check and fade away.

	Initially, I thought you had root access and have set
	up ftp account 'kim' (not login acct); but it wasn't the case.

	Anyone who can get your copy should be able to get copy
	from *.kr; or you can upload it to anonymous ftp site's.
	Or none will argue with posting this(VADA) to s.c.k.

	I suppose you know the risk; and it was very generous of you to
	took the risk; but it's sad that we can't trust people out there;
	and that's the reality, unfortunately.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Bush vs. Clinton
Keywords: bush, clinton, evil
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:21:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.225420.14606@Princeton.EDU> pkchung@stokes.Princeton.EDU (Phil Chung) writes:
>bush is evil.  that of course is no reason not to vote for him, but
>....
>clinton, on the other hand, _seems_ to represent the something quite
>....
>so what am i going to do come november '92?  well if clinton does not
>somehow show me something in the next few months that makes me feel
>that he really will turn washington upside-down, i will vote for
>neither bush nor clinton.  instead:
>
>	vote Jerry Brown for President in '92
>

What's going on here????

>oh by the way, i might also vote Libertarian.  who knows?  and at this
>point, who really cares?!?
>

Right..who cares...?

>phil chung


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:51:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.000547.21418@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>it.  The same goes for other religions as well.

Haha, do you want to go over to the beaten-to-death topic again ?  :-)

>James Choi

Cheers ..
-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
From: SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET (Maoist Internationalist Movement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Maoist reply to Jeong-Gyun Shin on north Korea
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:17:27 GMT

No vote necessary J-G S. We will gladly move to the DPRK as soon
as you move to South Africa, you lover of colonialism you.

Oh, but there is a problem with your plan. To get from the United
States to north Korea, hmmm. You know in south Korea they don't
let students cross the border to visit the north, much less
move there.

It's true this is all changing, but that just raises another point.

We don't want to move from an imperialist country to a state-capitalist
country. That would be no change in system for us. You on the other
hand should be as happy in South Africa or lovely Bosnia/Croatia
as here since you love capitalism so much.

As a matter of fact, you anti-communists have a lot in common
with Kim Il Sung: He is providing counterinsurgency aid to
Peru, just like the United States. So maybe YOU should move to
north Korea, since you are also an active anti-communist.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: bob@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Robert G. Reid)
Subject: Windows Far East SDK
Keywords: Correct address
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:07:34 GMT


A couple of weeks ago I read of the Far East languages Software Development 
Kit offer from Microsoft.

I immediately mailed my response to this offer but so far no reply....
I'm beginning to think that maybe I got the address wrong (although my mail 
hasn't bounced...).
I would greatly appreciate email from anyone who has received the SDK along 
with the address used for Microsoft.

Thanks.

bob@psychol.utas.edu.au <Bob Reid>
From: upendra@pest1.noname (Upendra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Room-mate
Keywords: Sunnyvale
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:11:58 GMT
Reply-To: upendra@pest1.noname
Organization: LSI

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WANTED: Roomate for 2 BR, 1.5 BA Sunnyvale, CA area : $425 / pm


Contact Kim at 408-991-2469

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From: SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Responses to Choi and Harper
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:53:44 GMT

This regards the responses to our book review on south Korean labor.

Both Douglas Harper and James Choi have decided to say nothing
of SUBSTANCE in their attacks on us and instead "attack the speaker"
as the term goes.

It's what happens when you can't defend your politics: you
say your critic has personal defects like "cowardice."

Harper and Choi have the kind of illogic that when they were
kids in school and the teacher said "2+2=4," instead of trying
to evaluate the substance of that, they went home and asked
their parents if their teacher was a brave man or not, does he
have an Ivy League degree, is he distinguished?

For Harper's and Choi's information (and we know it's a lot
of people on the net who pay attention to WHO says what instead
of WHAT gets said), for their information, we will gladly publicly
admit to being cowards, eyesores and snots, but that says NOTHING
about what we are arguing. We use the nets for debate, education
and information/analysis. We do not use the nets for self-expression,
self-aggrandizement--only class politics. They being ego-centered
wish to prove their individual worth without assessing any
substantive arguments, but we will gladly give them the award
of most distinguished individualists. No contest.
From: dbae@glade.cis.ufl.edu (Doohwan Bae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Addresses of Korean Univesities Requested
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:45:08 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

We are planning to send out the brochures to the korean universities
to introduce the Computer and Information Sciences Department of the
University of Florida (particularly master and phd. programs).

If anyone out there knows the addresses of the korean universities,
please send me an email, including the name of the department and
the exact address of the university if possible.

For those who are in the United States and interested in our program,
please ask me any information.  It will be my pleasure to help you.

Thank you very much.


Doo-Hwan Bae

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Suh Jung Yul <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: the 1st gold modal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:56:17 -0500

Yeo Gab Soon won a gold medal in women's air rifle
competition on Sunday.

J. Suh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: chat - similarities
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:01:10 GMT

>>..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
>It looks much more like a resume.   Are you looking for a job?  :)
>This is just a joke.   OK?

Reading s.c.asian.a one can notice a thread regarding pride one confers
on degree (PhD etc) one gets from Ivy league schools, etc.  Well, I
cannot help noticing similar amongs Koreans and thereafter generation.
Notice that I am not directing it to anyone in particular, but 
merely pointing out some possible similarities among East Asians.  

Did anyone have an experience of meeting middle to old Korean lady never 
seen before and minutes later, lady starts talking about PhDs and MDs
among her offspring, nephews and nieces, not forgetting to mention school 
names (specially if big time ones) in between?  

The thing I wonder is, does it have any correlation with desire for 
structured society Koreans are used with (I mention structured society
for having seen cases where complete stragers are introduced to each
other and one of first thing they do is to talk about their school,
graduation year, position in a firm, age, marital status, etc so to
kind of establish scale of their standing and then carry on conversation
if they see some similar standing between them).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:28:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.171919.12873@tc.cornell.edu>, jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>Yeah?  So?  Come on, this is just a TV show.  It's not real. 

In article <1992Jul30.021913.19479@ncsu.edu> jkim@eos.ncsu.edu (JIUN KIM) writes:
>The important fact is that TV is very influencial to people.

Now, I write:
This reminds me of a famous quote of John Lennon.  This quote remains one
of the greatest artistic disclaimers of all time.

"My role in society, or any artist of poet's role, is to try and express
what we all feel.  No to tell people how to feel.  Not as a preacher, not
as a leader, but as a reflection of us all."


James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: A Maoist review of Korean tensions
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:49:08 GMT

Bashful mc5 wrote:
>In conclusion, one gathers from this book that the DPRK says, "'if we
>are all going in the same direction, toward confederation, rather than
>toward legitimizing two Koreas,'" "'you will find us very flexible.'" (p.
>66) The DPRK has also given up on seeing students and labor launch
>a revolution in the southern region. They say the economic
>development of the southern region makes revolution impossible.

That means whatever Amerikan colonizers and Amerikan puppets accomplished
in S.Korea all these years, overall we see dramatic change within and out
Korean peninsula so that now beloved Kim Ilsung changed his song  toward
conferederation tune instead of one Korea under Kim from years back.  In 
other words, why bother to try to cling to waning power structure, wouldn't 
be better give up sooner thus minimizing suffering of innocents?   Call
for a vote to ship MIM out to DPRK for good.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seody@geo1.eecs.nwu.edu (Dae Y. Seo)
Subject: Re: Try VADA hangul from my sun
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:29:14 GMT

In article <699@tdat.teradata.COM> syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com writes:
>In article 3123@ducvax.auburn.edu, hjkim@ducvax.auburn.edu () writes:
>>I am going to open my sun account for a week and
>>will upload VADA hangul word processor which is freeware I believe.
>>I ftped it from Kaist and found it is very similar to area ah hangul.
>>If you still do not have Hangul Word process, try it
>>
>>
>>ftp pin 131.204.44.100
>>user: kim
>>passwd:kim0000
>>cd hangul
>>
>>file name vada.zip
>>
>>download this zip file and use pkunzip.
>>
>>
>>P.S. This door will be closed by 07/28/92.
>
>
I copied it from cair.kaist and am using it. But it has following drawback:

___| __|           .              |_              _L|_          __             
JL-| /\|      _.|  |_    |      ()|  r-   _.      ()|  __|_     JL  ==  _.|_   
 .    L|       ||  __  ()|       .   L_|   |       .   /\|      _L  L_   ||    
 |_   L|                         |_  _L|  _L       |_           .   __         
                   ()                                           |_             



   |      
()-| ()   
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L|/\ _.   
     L|   

Is there anybody who is able to use editing menu and has hanja font in VADA?
>Will you let us know how you like it?  I tried it a couple of month ago.
>It seems well-written program  except that it doesn't come with many printer drivers.
>
>For example, I couldn't print anything with my Epson LQ-510 printer.
>
hmm. It's strange. My printer has Epson printer emulater. It works well.
I chose 180dpi from the menu. But if I choose 120dpi it fails to print it.

>Good luck!
>
>Sang
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>   v    Teradata Corporation        | uunet!edsews!hacgate!tdat!syy 
> /\ /\  100 N. Sepulveda Blvd.      | sang.yum@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM
>/// \\\ El Segundo, Calif. 90245    | Ph: (310) 524-7685  FAX: (310) 524-0009
>

D. Y. Seo(seody@eecs.nwu.edu)
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:31 PDT
Subject: Re: A Maoist View of North Korea
Nf-ID: #R:9207250802.AA23194@nettlerash.be:524986730:cdp:1473700018:000:228
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Jul 27 06:31:00 1992


As for "Maoism" (gone for good in China):

   Li Xiao Jun
   The Long March to the Fourth of June
   Publisher: Gerald Duckworth, London 1989
   ISBN 0 7156 2332 X

Goetz Kluge, anlyyao@igc.org (San Francisco), Seoul 1992/07/27
From: SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET (Maoist Internationalist Movement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Maoist reply to Brian Chung
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:47:40 GMT

OK, what is Maoist ideology and where does it stand
on the economy, human-rights and the environment?

Before we do this, I think we should recognize that
as Andrew Kim just said, some people are not concerned
with world peace or ideologies generally. Maybe the best
thing to do is start with really basic values.

One approach is to value life itself. We at MIM value
life itself, including the lives of other people. We
look for the most effective approach to eradicating violence,
which is defined as anything that shortens life, which is
socially caused.

A Maoist is a kind of communist. A communist is someone
who seeks the abolition of classes, national conflicts and
patriarchy. But Andrew Kim might ask, why?

One good reason is that imperialism--the advanced capitalism
which seeks to export capital to other countries, and oppress
those countries--is a cause of violence. In fact, we
believe that Maoism does the most for the economy and human-rights
in the sense of preserving the "right" to live, the most
basic "human-right." We won't prove that here, only show
one approach in terms of values.

One thing Marx said to academics of his time on a lot of questions
is that we can argue about "that" (being a lot of subjects) after
everybody has food, clothing and shelter. We Marxists believe
it is not ethically defensible to raise issues not related to
the basic violence in our society in choosing an ideology and
program.

If everyone is still with us, we can proceed to proving our
point. All we did in this post is talk about values. Also,
maybe someone can suggest another conference to carry on this
discussion of ethics and what Maoism is. We can have it there
and come back here for applications to Korea. On the other
hand, Maoism is connected with the Chinese Revolution (1949),
was a factor in the Korean War, influences today's revolutionary
student movement in Korea and may have been the single most important
factor in shaping U.S. policy toward Korea. So if there
aren't any objections, we can continue this discussion here. Opinions?
From: wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wooed Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: T.V.(Miniseries,"JilTu")
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:03:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:

>-- 
> Sung Hyun Kim    physics...management science...and then ECONOMICS!!!
>E-mail : kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
>Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
>..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
It looks much more like a resume.   Are you looking for a job?  :)
This is just a joke.   OK?

-- 
email to : w-yang@uiuc.edu (wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Try VADA hangul from my sun
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:23:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul25.125753.3140@ducvax.auburn.edu> hjkim@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>   You uncoded th VADA and post it in the news group. But I once noticed
>that somebody did not be pleased of uploding binaries on text oriented
>newsgroup, for they think it wastes the group. 

	BTW, binaries via SMTP is junk; it's 'uuencode'ed (means text).

	For those who care, if you get 'stty speed' > 2400, you'll
	have to live with watching the body part; but '(r)rn' prompts
	for the body parts if you stty 2400 which will save your modem
	lots of bits.
	Sometimes loggin in with 2400 baud modem won't set tty to 2400.
	Or, I should have put ^L right after the header (sorry).
	You can fake some newsreader by 'stty (speed) 2400' even though
	you are using 2400+ speed modem.
	As a matter of downloading from any UNIX, get (xy)zmodem stuff
	(public domain); do use software compression - no protocol
	beats this; do use ymodem-g and rely on modem's error correction.
	(kermit gives the worst thruput even with 1k extended packet
	with 7 window size).

	Anyway, it's good to know there still is good soul who trusts
	others.  But again, life is tough.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Ok-Hyeon Kim - ES55)
Subject: Question about VISA
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:31:07 GMT


Hi  gangs !!!

To whom anybody know about my question!!!!
My VISA(F-1) Was expired several months ago, and I have to renew it
because I am scheduled to visit 3rd country.
How can I renew it?
I asked this problem TO korean travel agency in L.A, but their answer
is that I have to go to korea.
Is that only way to go to korea just to renew it?
Can I do that by mail or other way?

Give me a way!!

Thanks in advence.

Email: ohkim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean