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From: caress@cmnext.nrl.navy.mil (Peter N Caress)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: KIDS 4 SALE BY US GOVT?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:46:21 GMT
Reply-To: caress@cmnext.nrl.navy.mil

In article <1757.846.uupcb@factory.com> richard.donovan@factory.com  
(Richard Donovan) writes:
> Is anyone interested in PL 92-272 aka Adoption Assistance and Child
> Welfare Act of 1980 and its Code of Federal Regulations ( sec.  
13000 et
> seq ) as amended which offers a $25,000 + *bounty* per child taken  
by
> the state(s) in judicial proceedings?
>    Auditing requirements don't *start* until 1993. Reporting is
> discretionary with the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
>    Apparently the companion guide to this scam is the Child Avuse
> Prevention Act of 1985 and its CFR.
>     Money apparently comes from Social Security, Medicaid and Aid  
to
> Families with Dependent Children ( AFDC ).
>     Confidentiality is something that the *states* can elect. Any
> guesses?
>    BTW, both political parties are hip deep in this.
>                                                    

I guess I'm interested in PL 92-272 and its ramifications upon civil 
liberties, but you need to explain the law in greater detail so I can 
understand exactly what you're talking about. 

-- Peter Caress


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From: jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: The Glorious Constitution (was: [UPI] Supreme Court s
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:28:53 GMT
Organization: Independence Industries, Los Angeles

In article <711218861snx@crynwr.com>, nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul13.043838.9352@athena.mit.edu> sybok@athena.mit.edu writes:

> The ultimate deterrent against tyrrany is a well-organized people.

Some would say that a well-organized people _is_ tyranny.  When no area of
personal choice remains secure against being supplanted by collective dictate,
the result is tyranny of the majority.

        Relations among people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
 |  Voting in government elections, or petitioning government, or willfully  |
 |  accepting government ``benefits'' when it's feasibly avoidable (thereby  |
 |  generating demand for taxation), accelerate the supplanting of personal  |
 |  choice by collective dictate,  making these most serious crimes against  |
 |  humanity.  ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar  |
   It got so cold last winter, I saw a voter with his hand in his own pocket!
-- 
        Relations among people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
         ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar
From: jbs@korova (jacques)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: SpookSpeak
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 22:45:49 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind

...is a wonderful book of definitions of terms used freely by the world's 
best-known spook haunts (CIA/KGB/MOSSAD, etc). I think it's out of print 
now, but it should be available in used bookstores. By turns hilarious 
and depressing, containing such colorful terms as "MONSTER RALLY" 
(disrupt someone's mass rally by putting out flyers in the worst parts of 
town, advertising free food and beer. When the winos, bikers, etc., get 
there and find neither, things get nasty), and "TRASH-EATING DOGS" (KGB's 
term that shows their high opinion of local intelligence-gathering 
agents).

--
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        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
From: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: RE: KIDS 4 SALE BY US GOV
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 

Peter :
     The enabling statutes are very long. I missed quite a bit of your
message because all I really saw was 2 full pages of line noise until
the end. Again, I'm new to USENET and was just lucky that I read a
message on this conference that came in addressed to ALL, instead of me
personally.
    Federal Law Libraries have all the relevant texts and the CFR might
even be available in your local library.
   I am also reachable @ FatherNet BBS (718)494-1719.
                Richard.
                    
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures,alt.society.revolution
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subject: `The Abolition of Work' by Bob Black (3 parts) posted to alt.activism
Followup-To: alt.society.futures,alt.society.revolution
Keywords: work,play,slavery,wage-slavery,get-a-life,productivity,production,
	treadmill,grindstone
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:03:17 GMT

Followers of the
	"Re: government still at large (was Re: FDA still at large)"
thread in the pnw.general newsgroup, as well as readers of the other
newsgroups this post is cross-posted to will be interested in Bob Black's
essay, "The Abolition of Work" which I have posted in 3 parts to the
Usenet newsgroups

	alt.activism
	misc.activism.progressive
	text-files (local to eskimo)

You may also get a copy by e-mailing me.
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: miballar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Ballard)
Subject: Re: `The Abolition of Work' by Bob Black (3 parts) posted to alt.activism
Keywords: work,play,slavery,wage-slavery,get-a-life,productivity,production, treadmill,grindstone
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.210317.13709@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>Followers of the
>	"Re: government still at large (was Re: FDA still at large)"
>thread in the pnw.general newsgroup, as well as readers of the other
>newsgroups this post is cross-posted to will be interested in Bob Black's
>essay, "The Abolition of Work" which I have posted in 3 parts to the
>Usenet newsgroups
>
>	alt.activism
>	misc.activism.progressive
>	text-files (local to eskimo)
>
>You may also get a copy by e-mailing me.
>-- 
>kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Send me a copy:  miballar@leland.stanford.edu
Thanks!
From: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland)
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
Subject: Overcoming Human Limits
Date: 27 Jul 1992 04:54:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starflight.corp.sun.com

This is to start a thread to address the following questions:

1) Are human beings adequate to the challenges we are presenting ourselves,
or do we, or at least too many of us, suffer from fundamental incapacities 
to cope, regardless of what is done with education, kinds of organization,
or technology?

2) Are even the best of us adequate?

3) If at least the best of us are adequate today, will we be if present
trends continue?

4) What would it take to re-engineer human beings and propagate the design
improvements?

5) What design improvements in human beings need to be made?

6) What is the potential for genetic improvements alone to do the job, and
to what extent will we have to transcend the limits of biological beings
and seek systems based on another model?

7) What could super-humans or superior human successors accomplish that are
beyond the reach of humans today?

8) What are likely to be the consequences of failing to transcend the present
limits of human nature?

---

jdr@starflight.corp.sun.com, starflt@uunet.uu.net
Jon Roland
Starflight Corporation, 1755 E Bayshore Rd #9A,
Redwood City, CA 94063-4142, 415/361-8141
From: doucette@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Overcoming Human Limits
Reply-To: doucette@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:26:59 GMT


I'm sorry to state the obvious, but this discussion does sound like a bunch
of engineers talking shop over a brew at the local dive...

>Our problem-solving and reasoning skills are poor.  We honor
>sunk costs.  When we estimate probabilities, we give excessive
>weight to more familiar or obvious options.  We are gullible in
>the extreme.  We respond to emotional arguments, to fear and
>flattery, more than to facts and logic.  Our ability to choose the
>best course of action in a situation, for the most part, sucks
>turnips.  

Mankind has developed two dichotic trains of thought:  Emotional and rational.
Engineering, as well as other highly local education, is extremely
rational.  On the other hand, other types of training can be based upon the
emotional aspects of decisions.  When rational thought is applied to the 
problem, mankind has shown to be a very powerful problem solver.  Unfortunately,
We can't  just say "apply rational thought" to solve some problems!  Emotions
do interfere with pure rational though, but if you eliminate hate, fear, etc,
you will also probably rule out love, faith, etc.

> I think emotions need to be scientifically quantified and measured.

This is a true contradiction in terms!  If a "rationally driven" person is
debating an "emotionally driven" person, you will find that the two will 
debate from different points of reference.  Definitions of "right" and 
"wrong" is different than "true" and "false."  Decisions are made every
day based on emotions.  (Do I want to work late tonight or get a good night's
sleep?)

What is needed is the use of rational thought to build emotional arguements.
The motion picture industry has been doing it for years.  Think of your favorite
scenes or movies:  What do you remember?  The logic or the emotion?  Think of
the famine which initiated LIVE AID in the 80s.  Was it the famine or the
scenes of hunger on our television screens which stirred our souls.  

>   Prove scientifically that love is the answer and they have to believe you.

Prove *emotionally* that love is the answer and they will follow you.  Science 
and logic have little to do with the final decision, but can be used to build 
your arguements.

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From: aaron@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Aaron Watters)
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
Subject: the age of aquarius
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:22:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Newsgroups: comp.society.futures
Subject: the age of aquarius
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Keywords: 


I'm interested in past published predictions made for the year 2000
-- no matter how mundane, absurd, or profound, or whether they
came true.  Please email me any that come to mind with a reference
to where it was published.  I will summarize if there is interest.
  -aaron
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: c9109149@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: Overcoming Human Limits
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:52:26 GMT

I think emotions need to be scientifically quantified and measured.
Many people don't think emotions are the same for everyone. Nowadays
grain is fed to cattle and the staple diet of the leaders of the world is
meat. This can be shown to be a bad decision on many levels, so why do it?
Emotional responses are put in the too hard basket for most people. I think
emotions could be a useful tool for bettering the human condition if more
effort went into educating children about them. 
	The problems with todays society are basic and the same as they have
been for a long long time - greed,etc but the actual starting point 
of these things could be addressed better. Why do we have so much trouble 
with our nature? Is it because we are singular entities, 'we live as we dream-
alone.'. We don't have to live like this but many do.
I have an answer.... 

   Prove scientifically that love is the answer and they have to believe you.

but can it be done? You will have to start a new science and find the best 
emotion, like by making people carry out tasks while under the influence of
anger,depression, jealously etc and take it step by step. Controls wouldnt
be all that hard to find. Do several studies and mark emotions on a scaled map.
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: FREE $PEECH
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: richard.donovan@factory.com (Richard Donovan) 


Trump -v- Trump
582 NYS2d 1008
April 16, 1992

In divorce proceedings, the Supreme Court, New York County, Acting
Judge Phyllis Gangel-Jacob, entered supplemental judgement of
divorce deleting confidentiality provision from post-nuptial
agreement to which former husband and wife had agreed to be bound.
Husband appealed. The Supreme Court, Appellate Division, Sullivan
J., held that trial court lacked the authority to exclude from
separation agreement to which former husband and wife had
stipulated confidentiality provision which did not offend public
policy as prior restraint on protected speech.
          Affirmed as modified.

1. Absent any affront to public policy, parties to civil dispute
have right to fashion stipulations as means of expediting and
simplifying resolution of dispute and may even stipulate away
statutory or even constitutional rights.

2. Court may relieve party from consequences of stipulation given
showing of cause sufficient to invalidate contract, such as fraud,
collusion, mistake or similar ground.

3. Confidentiality provision top postnuptial agreement which
prohibited wife from revealing aspects of marriage or husband's
personal or financial affairs did not violate public policy and was
not result of fraud or duress so that trial court exceeded its
authority by NOT including provision in supplemental judgement;
confidentiality paragraph was not among portions of agreement which
husband and wife had agreed to modify.

**************************************************

In other words, if Donald Trump wasn't a millionaire and could have
made trouble for them, they would have let Phyllis get away with
changing the agreement and slipping it in behind his back.
                                                                                
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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Sysop busted for porno in Ohio!
From: mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:07:19 EDT
Organization:  

Subject: Help, please forward this message
From: bx953@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Cohen)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:09:03 GMT
Reply-To: bx953@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Cohen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I have no idea where this message should be posted, I only know that it
**should** be posted.  I'm posting here only because I know this board 
is widely read and someone should be able to get this message 
to the right place.

In today's paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) it was reported that a 22-year
old male got arrested for distributing pornography, and possibly for
contributing to the delinquency of a minor.  His "crime" was running a
bulletin board out of his home ... the cops found out that minors were able
to get ahold of pornographic gif files.  The arrestee had apparently set
things up so that "adult" files were supposed to be restricted, but either
the files weren't restricted after all, or someone else had "unrestricted"
them.  The paper reports that this type of arrest is one of the first of
its kind in the state.  The cops used a "cooperative" 15 year old -- after
the kid accessed the adult files, the cops grabbed the alleged criminal.

If any Ohio law enforcement types are reading this, I am an Ohio attorney,
and I think this sucks.

David
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From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re:
Summary: sex in bed
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:53:56 GMT
Organization: InCC.com Perwez Belgium

In article <1992Jul18.115559.5558@nwnexus.WA.COM>, elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
> In article <1992Jul17.151933.10174@bradley.bradley.edu>
>       larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton) writes:
> 
> >In <73.24131@incc.com> jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:
> 
> >>Personally I prefer lesbians, well I like to watch them, I have never
> >>had the pleasure of being in the same bed with two lesbians but the
> >>thought is pretty hot.
> 
>    Somehow, I doubt you ever will.  If they're lesbians, they're not
> interested in you, Jerry, capice?  And if they're not interested in
> you, why on Earth would they invite you into their bed?
> 
> >   I wonder if the thought would be as 'hot' to the lesbians?
> 
>    *Giggle*  I dunno, Larry... my lover and I were invited by a lesbian
> to put on a show for her and a small party of friends (12 women total).
> It was quite... spectacular.  And very strange.
> 
> >     You might check out soc.bi.  Perhaps that would be more your
> >     style.
> 
>    What?  You're not willing to, uh, show Jerry how it's done, Larry?
> 'S cool; as a cofounder of soc.bi I'm not willing to either.  This only
> shows you understand soc.bi about as well as I understand Steve Dyer.
> 
> >     ld
> 
>          Elf !!!

I guess the problem with all this is that we are all at different
levels of comprehension..... I am leargning every day....
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Subject: lesbiansinbed
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:26:07 GMT

Who is the fae young man who wants chicks in his bed?  With all
of those responses to responses, it's hard to tell.  I wouldn't
even bother to ask except that I wanted to agree with whoever
it was who wrote something to the effect of:

--->Get a clue.  

As one man wrote, lesbians are such for reasons.  
--
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Hello?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:46:10 GMT

In <79.29909@incc.com> jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur) writes:

>>    I wonder what Jerry thinks of all this.  Should I tell him about
>>    being in bed with 2 hot babes?  No Jerry, my 'babes' are guys.
>>    Will somebody get a bucket of cold water.......
>I think that being in the same room as your two hot babes is very
>exciting, my problem is that I have never had the pleasure of two
>*real* hot babes as you describe!!!!!

   You seem to be a "any port in a storm" kind of guy.  From your
   earlier comments, I wonder if you would find 2-3 guys getting it
   on to be exciting.
>No need for cold water...
   When your thigh muscles are in near spasms, the small of your back
   is screaming at you and certain parts of your anatomy are too 
   sensitive to touch........ and you still want more....... it's 
   time for the bucket or at least a cold shower!
> | / | Phone +32.2.235.7045  +32.81.65.53.58    fax +32.81.65.70.20 | \ |

   In Brussels huh?  I spent a night there one week. =)
From: fvaughn@ds5000.coe.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Wha'up?
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:02:47 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

All this homosexuality in one UseNet...(lets out high-pitched "GIRLFRIEND!!"
screech)!!
I don't know if I can handle this?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!?!?!!!

Funky
Ruling
Educated      ...and don't you ever forget that!!
Diva
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: ANYONE OUT THERE?
From: mediaboard@otago.ac.nz
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:41:42 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

GREETINGS FROM THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE! 

Hey, I'm just reading this group to source some info/issues/opinions for our
Gay/Lesbian news bulletin on the campus Radio station in Dunedin, New Zealand
If anyone has anything they reckon would be interesting material, or want to
get in touch with me to find out what we do, or to get some information from
us, then I'd love it if you'd send it direct to me and we could set up some
sort of dialogue. Dunedin's a pretty isolated place at times and sometimes it's
difficult not to think we're alone down here- so it'd be great to hear from
someone!
  Regards,
  Chris Munro, News Ed.
  Radio One 91FM                 < mediaboard@otago.ac.nz >
  P.O. Box 1436
  Dunedin 
  New Zealand
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual