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From: margot@disuns2.epfl.ch (Joel Margot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: some collectibles for sale
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:00:43 GMT
Reply-To: margot@di.epfl.ch
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.marketplace,rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Suisse

COLLECTIBLES & SIGNED BOOKS

B. W. Aldiss:
Moreau's Other Island, Cape, 1980, first edition , hardcover with dust jacket,
all brand new condition, signed, US$ 49.

J. G. Ballard:
War Fever, Collins, 1990, first edition, hardcover with dust jacket, brand new,
signed, US$ 82.

Michael Bishop:
Transfigurations, Berkley, 1980, very good condition, inscribed, US$ 56.

Rampsey Campbell:
Dark Feasts, Robinson, 1987, first edition, hardcover with dust jacket, brand
new, signed, US$ 75.

Richard Cowper:
The Road To Corlay, Pocket 82917, 1979, fine, signed, US$ 52.

The HEAVY METAL Original Pencil Art Portfolio (7 drawings), Schanes & Schanes,
1981, 1st, G, US$ 149. - limited edition of 1000 (this one number 440) with
certificate of authenticity signed by Michael Gross (Associate producer & Art
director).

Robert Holdstock:
The Fetch, Orbit, 1991, first edition, hardcover with dust jacket, brand new,
signed, US$ 60.

K. W. Jeter:
Death Arms, Morrigan, 1987, first edtion, hardcover with dust jacket, brand
new, limited edition of 250 numbered and signed copies, US$ 97.

Michael Moorcock:
The Fireclown, Paperback Library 52-475, 1967, very good condition, signed,
US$ 67.
The Fortress of the Pearl, Gollancz, 1989, first edition, hardcover with dust
jacket, brand new, signed, US$ 82.
Wizardy and Wil Romance - A study of Epic Romance, Gollancz, 1987, first
edition, hardcover with dust jacket, totally new, signed, US$ 78.

Frederik Pohl:
Stopping at Slowyear, Axolotl, 1991, first edition, totally new, signed,
US$ 71.

Terry Pratchett:
Reaper Man, Corgi, 1992, as new, signed, US$ 41.

J.-H. Rosny Aine:
Signed Card By Rosny Aine, about 15-20 words, dated 1922, blue paper with some
signs of brown due to age, otherwise very fine, US$ 41.

Bob Shaw:
The Wooden Spaceships, Gollancz, 1988, first british edition, hardcover with
dust jacket, totally new, signed, US$ 67.

Robert Silverberg:
Thebes of the Hundred Gates, Axolotl, 1991, first edition, totally new, signed,
US$ 75.

A. E. Van Vogt:
The Battle Of Forever, Author's Co-op., 1978, first US hardcover edition, new,
signed, numbered and limited to 500 copies, US$ 104.

Ian Watson:
Salvage Rites, Gollancz, 1989, first edition, hardcover with dust jacket,
totally new, signed, US$ 67.

Roger Zelazny:
Unicorn Variations, Timescape, 1983, first edition, hardcover with dust jacket,
brand new, signed, US$ 75

PS: If you have a wantlist or are collecting of a specific author, please do
send me a list of what you'd be interested in adding on your shelves.

Thanks, Joel Margot.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:37:24 -0500 
From: Brennan Kraje <nk0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: NUTCRACKER TIX 12/29


    Folks,

    I have three (3) tickets to the Nutcracker Ballet I may be unable to
use. They are in the Benedum Center left-center center section of the
Director's Circle, Row AA, seats 33,35, and 37 (ajoining).

    The performance is for 7:30 pm on the 29th, the last performance of
the year.  It should be quite a memorable one.  I have already seen it
once, and it ranks a close second to a show I saw in DC a few years ago.

    Regular price for these tickets is $123.00.  These are excellent
seats.  However, since I am a season subscriber, they only cost me
$96.00.  I would like to cover my costs, but am willing to part with all
three tickets for $75 at the lowest.

    Three is odd.  I was going to take a date and her sister.  Now is a
chance for you to take the wife or husband and a kid, or just two
friends.  Just e-mail me back @ nk0s if interested...

Brennan Kraje

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From: pkj@halcyon.com (Paul Johnson)
Subject: Communicator Soundboard for sale.
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:41:25 GMT

I have a Communicator Soundboard and Communicator Pin
from the Star Trek series. The pin fits over the Soundboard
and gives off the Communicator sound when the face of the pin
is pressed. I have had my fun with it and now I would like to
sell it. I paid about $35 for the combination so I would like
to get about $20 or so for it. I will also pay shipping if 
anyone is interested please contact me at pkj@halcyon.com

Oh, I did not use it very much so the batteries are still in
great shape and the original package will be included.

Thanks for your time.

--Paul.
From: cscon134@uoft02.utoledo.edu (John Heiden UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Star Trek & Disney holograms/promos/sets for sale
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:48:11 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

My brother just recently got a large bunch of unusual trading cards.
These include:

1) Star Trek 25th anniversary trading card holograms
2) Star Trek The Next Generation trading card holograms
3) Disney Collector trading cards holograms
4) Disney Series II promo cards
5) Star Trek The Next Generation promo cards
6) The Little Mermaid promo cards

If you should be interested in any of these, please let me know.
He has mostly sets of each of these, but he does have singles for
a few of them as well.

And lastly, has anyone seen the new Tinkerbell hologram from the
Disney Series II cards yet?  I haven't, but I've heard about it.


John Heiden
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                                       Dept. of Computer Services

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From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
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Subject: ....book for sale
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:00:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


********************************



"Would the Buddha Wear a Walkman?" book by Judith
Hopper and Dick Teresi. This book is a good intro to mind
machines, brain toys, and other methods of consciousness 
alteration. 8 1/2 X 11, 255 pages. I want to sell the rest
of my copies (all brand new). Cover price is $16.95.
I'm selling them for $10 postpaid in the U.S. only. To reserve
a copy, send e-mail to: d_nibby@unhh.unh.edu
I'll send you a table of contents and ordering info.

* To the person from INDIA who ordered the book: I NEED YOUR
  MAILING ADDRESS
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From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Territorial Disputes
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:37:37 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.171048.27281@newstand.syr.edu> pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk) writes:
>
>Of course the 1st scenario also assumes:
>
>	1) All spacecraft would be based on worlds.
>	2) The aggressors can pinpoint all of the targets ahead of time
>
>With fusion technology, we could settle the *anywhere* in the solar system.
>(Well, Okay.  Not the bright side of Mercury.  Not interiors of the gas
>giants.  Nor the Sun.  But you get the idea.)
>
>Anyhow, it was a try.  Anyone else want to figure out how to wipe out a solar
>civilization in such a way that no warnings are generated?

	How interdependent are we assuming the polities within each system 
to be? If we are not talking about a collection of Cosmic Albanias (which
I would attack one at a time, using local allies and exploiting any local
rivalries which exist), total destruction may not be needed if critical
choke-points on the local economy exist. I can't see a fully exploited 
system also being stealthy. Industry tends to leave marks: cities radiate
heat, reaction drives radiate heat and mass, cultures rearrange topography
to suit themselves. A sneaky aggressor might lob 4 K cannonballs at large
fractions of C at critical industries and let the resulting economic
disruption erode the local culture (Akin to nomads destroying irrigation
systems of non-nomadic target cultures in the middle-east, a tactic  whose
effects are still with us) before attempting to restructure  the local
economy to suit  themselves. Nomadic types might  not mind destroying
sedentary cultures if they manage to loot  what they want: with speed
of  light  limits  on travel, return business is likely to be rare.

	Fred Hoyle had a grossly high-tech  culture evaporate stars
at significant ranges by manipulating stellar outputs: it's hard to
get  warnings of attacks which travel at C...

							James Nicoll

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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: Territorial Disputes 
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:44:31 EST

In article <724171577snz@keris.demon.co.uk> 
chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.172244.29523@infodev.cam.ac.uk> 
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>>I don't think you need the enlightenment being asked for to solve this
>>problem.  There is a limit on how large an empire can get, particularly
>>if you start imposing near-real physics on communication, and if one
>>group has the space to expand into, it will do so until the whole thing
>>falls apart.
>
>I've only just come into this, but there's an example of communication
>problems in Piers Anthony's 'Cluster' series.  [I know, everyone's going
>to jump all over my for mentioning HIM <g>]  In that the further out
>from Earth that you got, the more in the past the people were, since
>they only had sublight communication by spaceship.  So if you were 200
>ly away, your technology and social system would be 200 years out of
>date.  Then they got FTL transport (oops - I just typed FTP!  TCP/IP is
>*not* any good for transporting people <g>) and suddenly the system had
>problems because all the different cultures could now mix...

Well, the crux of this debate is geometry, and whether it invalidates
the idea of territory.  So it would probably be best if you read the
posts (in r.a.sf.science -- use '?terr?r')  However, your input is quite
welcome in that case, and the problem of communication is _very_ 
relevant here.

We are, however, assuming NO FTL.  

>>In the example, the "trapped" Kzinti may not be able to
>>grow at a rate higher than N^2, and the problem become irrelevant
>>unless they get completely boxed in.
>
>I *don't* want to meet a Kzin who's been unable to get his own territory!

The name is just a name in this case.  We might as well have said 'race B.'

	--Peter Kwangjun Suk


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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: Territorial Disputes
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf.science,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: Ahocracy of the Enlightened Self-Interested, Research
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:53:44 EST

In article <1992Dec16.170023.16011@julian.uwo.ca> 
jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.171048.27281@newstand.syr.edu> 
>pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk) writes:
>>
>>Too snide, too fast.  For some Bussard Ramjets imply travel at
>>0.9999...c  In the limit, there is NO difference in speed.  
>>
>>However, Bussard Ramjets are just not practical, at least not at this
>>speed.  The amount of hydrogen fuel -- assuming total conversion --
>>needed to get a 10000 kg spacecraft to 0.99c is something like the
>>number of atoms in the known universe.
>
>	Um,how did you arrive at that? 

OKAY!  OKAY!  IT WAS A MISTAKE!

Anything wrong with admitting that?  Am I Allowed to live this down!?
[hopeful glance]
Please!?    :)

	--Peter Kwangjun Suk

(P.S.  What's a few dozen orders of magnitude between friends!?)
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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: Territorial Disputes
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf.science,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:10:48 EST

In article <1992Dec14.160527.8406@ugle.unit.no> 
leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) writes:

>In article <1592.360.uupcb@brent.uucp>, 
>jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling)  writes:
>
[deleted]
> > Or, assuming a warlike race: you could send large masses at near light
> > speed via bussard ramjets at the offending worlds and destroy their
> > existing life forms - at least the higher ones anyway.  Then go in and
> > claim these worlds.  The other side would not have been able to
> > communicate the destruction back to warn the other worlds in time as
> > there would be no communciation faster than that of a ship.  
[deleted]
>
>"No communication faster than that of a ship"?  
>What about radio?     ;-) 
>
>-Leif

Too snide, too fast.  For some Bussard Ramjets imply travel at
0.9999...c  In the limit, there is NO difference in speed.  

However, Bussard Ramjets are just not practical, at least not at this
speed.  The amount of hydrogen fuel -- assuming total conversion --
needed to get a 10000 kg spacecraft to 0.99c is something like the
number of atoms in the known universe.

Of course the 1st scenario also assumes:

	1) All spacecraft would be based on worlds.
	2) The aggressors can pinpoint all of the targets ahead of time

With fusion technology, we could settle the *anywhere* in the solar system.
(Well, Okay.  Not the bright side of Mercury.  Not interiors of the gas
giants.  Nor the Sun.  But you get the idea.)

Anyhow, it was a try.  Anyone else want to figure out how to wipe out a solar
civilization in such a way that no warnings are generated?

	--Peter Kwangjun Suk
From: zellich@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Rich Zellich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: New Dates, Location for Archon 17
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:26:43 GMT

June 25-27, 1993 (Missouri)

   ARCHON 17. Collinsville, IL Convention Center & Collinsville Holiday Inn
   ($70 sngl-quad, other nearby hotels cheaper; write PO Box for Housing Bureau
   information); St. Louis area.  GoH: Howard Waldrop; AGoH: Carl Lundgren;
   FGoHs: Rich Cross, Tom Seymour, J.D. Streett IV, Ted Smith; TM: TBA.  Six or
   more tracks of panels, seminars, & readings, Children's & Grand Masquerades,
   art show & auction, dealers room, pool parties, gaming, children's programing
   track, Fri. night meet-the-pro's reception/dance and hall-costume contest, 2
   video rooms plus Amateur Video Contest (for info, write John Donigan, 7480
   Rupert, St. Louis, MO  63117), hospitality suite, more.  Free Pizza Party
   With the Pro's on Sunday for all volunteers who work 4 or more hours. 
   Memb: $15 at Archon 16, $16 to 28 Feb 93, $19 to 30 Apr 93, then $22 in
   advance and at the door; no mail-ins after 11 Jun 93; 1-day at the door
   $15 Sat, $10 Fri or Sun; Children 6-12 $5 (under 6 free) at all times, but
   MUST be accompanied by an adult member; MC and Visa accepted.  Dealer tbls
   (all in one room this year): $50 1st 8' tbl, $65 2nd, $75 3rd, NO memb's
   included w/tbls; dealers limited to 2 tbls with a few special exceptions;
   Contact Dealers Room, c/o the Archon PO Box.  Art Show info: Hanging fees
   for Art Show & Auction and the Resale Shop $8/full 4'x8' panel or full
   tbl, $4 for half; limit 3 panels per artist or agent; Print Shop fee $2
   with limit of 10 different pieces (an unlimited number of each piece is
   allowed); a 10% commission will be charged on all sales; Contact Kay
   Goode, 252-A Glandore Dr., Ballwin, MO  63021-5686; (314) 256-8364 weekday
   evenings.  Info: Archon 17, P.O. Box 50125, Clayton, MO  63105; Rich or
   Michelle Zellich (314) FAN-3026.
   Internet: zellich@ST-LOUIS-EMH2.ARMY.MIL.
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From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Subject: Address for Michael Chrichton?
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:01:02 GMT

Anyone know how I can get in contact with Michael Chrichton?  Agent's
address maybe?  His, if possible, but an agent's address will do for starts.

Thanks.

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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: hard and soft sf
Organization: Adhocracy of Enlightened Self-Interest, Research
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:39:59 EST

In article <1992Dec17.004812.28057@crd.ge.com> 
kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec15.085656.22698@newstand.syr.edu> 
>>pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk) writes:
>>
>>>In article <wf_rnQm00gpIQQoVNa@andrew.cmu.edu>
>>>"Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>
>>>>Why? The TNG Enterprise is (fictional) 24th century technology. What
>>>>about 26th century technology? 28th? The point of Clarke's Law is that
>>>>there is no visible ceiling on technology.
>>>
>>>Ah, but there IS.  There is a limit on how strong we can make normal
>>>matter.  There is a limit on how fast we can travel.  There is a
>>>limit on how much energy we can get from 1g of mass.
>
>It may so happen that we find a way to extract energy or its
>equivalent from something else than the annihilation of matter.
>
>See, for example, Asimov's _The Gods Themselves_ or Heinlein's
>_Waldo_.
>
Hey!  No fair using sources I haven't read!  Now I have to go and read
these before I answer!  You're making me read sci-fi!!  [grumble grumble]

>>>You are assuming that technology can go on forever.  It CAN'T.
>How do you know that?  And what do you mean by "forever"?
>See, for example, Chalker's Well of Souls pentalogy.
>
>>>But the scale does NOT go on forever.
>Perhaps you're using the wrong scale?

[David and Peter meet in a notional universe, both wearing togas, 
blindfolds, and carrying antique brass balances.  Someone comes up
and places a lot of techy looking junk onto both scales.  David's
tips to the left.  Peter's tips to the right.]

	--Peter Kwangjun Suk




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From: griffin@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Zack Thompson)
Subject: Re: GPS
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:13:53 GMT

In article <724115455snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>
>In article <pennyb.723873330@otto> pennyb@otto writes:
>
>> Does anyone know of a SF writer (or any other writer for that matter)
>>who "predicted" the use of GPS for non-military purposes, like the
>>Dick Tracey cartoons of the 30's "predicted" wrist radios? GPS uses
>>signals from satellites orbiting Earth to compute the position in latitude,
>>longitude and height of the item, as well as its speed relative to the
>>satellite, with great accuracy.

[stuff gone]

>ground-based one).  Is that important?  I believe that Clarke mentioned
>something about a satellite system (manned, of course, in those days).
>
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Howdy-

ZT here.

Yep, it was something close to GPS that Clarke did.  _The Other Side
  of the Sky_ has some of that in it.

Just for the Record.

                        The Crystal Griffin
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From: futtrup@daimi.aau.dk (Erik Futtrup S|rensen)
Subject: Re: Silly Time Travel
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:07:02 GMT

polowin@chem.queensu.ca (Joel Polowin) writes:

>In article <9212171631.A01589@mailer.nymc.edu> goldberg@NYMC.EDU (RANDY_GOLDBERG) writes:
>>From: duru@cc.ec-lyon.fr (Duru Emmanuel)
>>Subject: 'silly' timetravel: it's again me...
>>
>>* the title of del Rey's story title may be "I am Legion"
>>
>>Isn't "My Name Is Legion" the title of Richard Matheson's book about the
>> last human man on an Earth full of vampires?

>Something like that, yes.  But it's also the title of the Del Rey story,
>which you can find in _The Early Del Rey_.  I presume that the title is
>a quotation from some classical source, though I'm not sufficiently 
>literate to recognize it.

Well, one don't have to be very literate to recognize it, but I would say it is 
a classical source, since it is from the word of God:

Mark 5, 6-13:

  He was some distance away when he saw Jesus; so he ran, fell on his knees
before him, and screamed in a loud voice, "Jesus, Son of the Most High God!
What do you want with me? For God's sake, I beg you, don't punish me!" (He
said this because Jesus was saying, "Evil spirit, come out of this man!")
  So Jesus asked him, "What is your name!"
  The man answered, "My name is 'Legion' - there are so many of us!" And he
kept begging Jesus not to send the evil spirits out of that region.
  There was a large herd of pigs near by, feeding on a hillside. So the
spirits begged Jesus, "Send us to the pigs, and let us go into them." He let
them go, and the evil spirits went out of the man and entered the pigs. The
whole herd - about two thousand pigs in all - rushed down the side of the
cliff into the lake and was drowned.

-- Erik Futtrup (email:futtrup@daimi.aau.dk)
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Memory is a prism through which yesterdays's light is passed; Split into a rainbow 
of moments each colored more dimly than the last. How will today's light look 
tomorrow and -- how would tomorrows look today? Would the filter of time be as
brutal if that prism were two-way?
  Asbur Honworth, AD 2007
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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: RE: TERRITORIAL DISPUTES
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

-> "No communication faster than that of a ship"?
->
-> What about radio?     ;-)

What about it?  On the interstellar scale, the message would lose signal
strength to the point of unintelligibility long before making it to
another star system.  The signal would depreciate at an expodential
(sp?) rate.  The same would be true for a laser system.

Anyway, assuming the enemy does know you're coming - you are still at a
very appreciable fraction of Tau.  How would they stop you?  (Without
using a really, really big stop sign, that is)

J