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From: olsonkk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (OLSON KIRK)
Subject: YMODEM/G protocol
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:08:37 GMT

Is there a source code anywhere for YMODEM/G?  I currently use rz & sz
(ZMODEM) to up and download from the machines I have accounts.  I know
YMODEM/G is the fastest protocol, so I would think the source code would
be out there somewhere to compile on unix machines.

Kirk
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From: sb@onripx.neuro.emory.edu (Steve Berger)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: RCS and Make Interaction ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:41:04 GMT



  Hi,

    I'm wondering how people usually deal with incorporating RCS into their
  makefiles so that make can be performed from version control.  How can
  I write a make rule to allow me to construct missing source files by
  checking them out of version control ?  Please send responses directly
  to my address and I'll send summaries to anyone interested.


  Thanks,


  Steve Berger (sb@onripx.neuro.emory.edu)
From: eluyten@rc1.vub.ac.be (Eric Luyten)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Problem with uudecode
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:58:38 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium

1) There must be a line containing the word 'end' (and nothing else !)
   at the end of the uuencoded file.

2) If a line starts with 'M', there have to be 60 characters on the line.
   And yes, spaces at the end count. (Common problem when files are
   transmitted over NJE lines (EARN)).

Suggestion : try to uuencode one of your files and compare the 'head' and
the 'tail' against the files that cause problems.

Eric.
From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: batch(1)
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:51:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham

Hi,

	I was reading the man page for at(1) and I noticed the command
batch.  If I may quote the man page:

DESCRIPTION
     at and batch read commands from standard input  to  be  exe-
     cuted  at  a  later time.  at allows you to specify when the
     commands should be executed, while jobs  queued  with  batch
     will  execute  as  soon  as  the  system load level permits.
     [...]


	My question is, when does the load level permit?


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: What is Beta-test ?
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:52:38 GMT

In <BuJB84.6C4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gordon@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (John Gordon) writes:

:zzang@stat.ufl.edu (Zhuo Zang) writes:

:>Hello,
:>I often see some softwares in their release notes
:>say that this is a Beta-test version .
:>What is it this Beta-test ?
:>What kind of features it has?
:>Is it available to the public for testing the program?

:	It means that the program in question is not quite finished, that it
:probably has some bugs left in it.

You mean like DOS, Windows, and OS/2?

Bill
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From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How to store data files in binary format
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:09:05 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <708@svcs1.UUCP> slix@svcs1.UUCP (Bill Miller) writes:

>(...) (Can 'awk' read compressed files - or
>can you pipe the compressed file, and pipe it to awk?)

zcat it: 
    zcat <compressed-file>.Z | awk (...)

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Printing 8 bit with nroff and tab.xxx syntax
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:33:38 GMT
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

I am using Esix SVR4.0.4 and I am trying to set up my printer with nroff.
I managed to find /usr/ucblib/doctools/nterm/tab.* and have created an
entry for my printer but I can't find any documentation on the syntax
for this file.  I tracked down all the SEE ALSOs in the nroff and troff
man pages but no luck.  Anyone know where I can find this information?

I managed to figure out some of the syntax by testing and guesswork
but I can't seem to output characters with the high bit set.  I have
tried putting the actual character (0xb3 in this case) as well as the
octal escape version ("\263")  but no luck.  It just outputs a space.
I am testing with "nroff -Tkx | hd" so I am positive that it is nroff
which is the problem and not the other links in the chain such as
printers, drivers etc.

I am using "Unix Text Processing" by Dale Dougherty and Tim O'Reilly
but there is no mention of any of this.  Is this a reasonable book
on the subject?

Post or email, I will summarize.

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From: zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky)
Subject: Re: LA LISA?
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:49:49 GMT

In article <peter.716084671@merlin> peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele) writes:
>Has anything come across this group about this fall's LISA conference?

No, but the announcements have appeared in comp.org.usenix and
comp.unix.admin (comp.unix.questions seems like a dubious place to
post conference announcements). If they've expired from
comp.org.usenix on your system, you can always get information about
anything having to do with USENIX from office@usenix.org

	Elizabeth D. Zwicky
	zwicky@erg.sri.com
From: smr@hitkw14.pki-nbg.philips.de (S.Riehm)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: ':' line in scripts
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:50:01 GMT

dpayton@qcinet.Gwinnett.COM (Doug Payton) writes:

>I've seen, on occasion, scripts that begin with the line

>:

>which, as I recall, is simply 'true'.  Sometimes I've seen

>#!/bin/sh
>:

>...but the ':' is still there.

>What is it's purpose?  Does it init the shell to a known state?

If it is the first line of a shell script, on MOST machines, it will
cause the script to be run by /bin/sh ( or the system's equivalent, is
here an equivalent? ).

It has worked on all the machines that I have used so far, but I
believe there are exceptions.

catchya

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From: slix@svcs1.UUCP (Bill Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: need script to rename uppercase filenames
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:24:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Sep3.120607.25089@umbc3.umbc.edu>, rouben@math13.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) writes:

> I would suggest the quicker script:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> for file in *[A-Z]*
> do
> mv $file `echo $file | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`
> done
> 
> This script changes all files names containing an uppercase letter 
> in the current directory to lowercase.  I would not strip the \015s
> so casually without knowing the contents of the files.

First of all, when I try that, it just stops, and starts echoing every
thing I type  since I first run it to a 'typescript' file which eventually
grows fairly large.  I can't kill the pid for the script - if I do that
the system hangs.

FWIW I use 386BSD and csh, but nothing so far has worked as intended.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: How do I set a fake date in the mail header?
From: senthils@eos.cstp.umkc.edu (Senthil Sankarappan)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:50:33 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri Kansas City
Keywords: Hack!



When I send mail, some times I want the  "date" in the "mail" to
be set to some thing other than original.

Is is it possible to do this by sending the mail directly using
"sendmail"?


( I can change the "date" using date command, if i am "super user".
  But I am not! )

thanks,
vs senthilkumar
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: neidorff@uicc.com (Bob Neidorff)
Subject: Script for LESS?
Originator: neidorff@makore
Organization: Unitrode Integrated Circuits Corp., Merrimack, NH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:41:13 GMT



Can I write a script for execution when I call "less", the file browser?
I would like to invoke less from inside a script, and execute a specific
"less" command, specifically a search.  I have not figured out how to 
pipe commands to "less".

I am a true UNIX novice, so be gentle with me.

Thanks for any advice at all.

Please reply directly by e-mail.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: abeech@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Adrian Beech)
Subject: Searching for Word Perfect?
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:11:17 GMT

At the moment I'm looking for a System V version of Word Perfect.  Does
anyone know if such a thing exists?  I've already contact SourceWare in
Sydney about a Unix version.  They basically din't know what I was on
about :-(

Does WP Corp have an Internet E-Mail address?


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: jimbo@mhs.oz.au (James Davidson)
Subject: Caliper Jumper settings
Organization: Message Handling Systems
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:17:38 GMT



The following was recently posted by Fred Fish (Thanks Fred)
Here it is again for those who missed it.


> 	Switch		Factory		Use
> 	------		-------		---------------------------
> 	1		Off		SCSI ID (LSB)
> 	2		Off		SCSI ID
> 	3		On		SCSI ID (MSB)
> 	4		Off		SCSI parity selection
> 	5		Off		Drive type (LSB)
> 	6		Off		Drive type
> 	7		On		Drive type
> 	8		On		Drive type (MSB)
> 	9		Off		Factory use
> 	10		Off		Factory use
> 
> -Fred
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: zik@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Michael Saleeba [Zik])
Subject: Re: Mach for the Amiga So what is it?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:11:51 GMT

jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Anyway so am I to take that this mach is (or after it is actually
>written) a port of the Berkely Standard Release BSD (I think that's
>what the accronymn means...) to Amiga?

Nope. Mach is a microkernel written at CMU. It is not a UNIX at all.
However there is an effort on to port the CMU BSDSS server as well.
This server is basically the high-order bits of BSD UNIX kernel
running as a single server under Mach. So when _that's_ finished
you'll have a BSD-workalike.

Actually running BSDSS under Mach is something like a downgrade - Mach
has excellent IPC which UNIX so sorely lacks, it supports concurrent
operation of multiple operating systems, it allows for lightweight
threads... I could go on for hours :-)

Take a look at comp.os.mach sometime.

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From: sjk@ut-emx.uucp (Phil Alvin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Unix and the New Amigas
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:14:51 GMT
Organization: Fred's Lounge


Does anyone know if Commodore's Unix is going to run on any of the
new '040 machines - specifically, the A4000 and the 3000T '040?

Also, did WOC produce any comment from Commodore on their
commitment to or future plans for Unix?

Thanks,
Scot Kleinman
Dept. Of Astronomy
Univ. Texas 
Austin TX	
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Unix and the New Amigas
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:49:34 GMT

In <38011@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes:

>In article <79600@ut-emx.uucp> sjk@ut-emx.uucp (Phil Alvin) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know if Commodore's Unix is going to run on any of the
>>new '040 machines - specifically, the A4000 and the 3000T '040?
>>
>>Also, did WOC produce any comment from Commodore on their
>>commitment to or future plans for Unix?

>Since getting Unix to run on an 040 would take a large ammount of
>work, they were thinking of doing the port directly from the new
>(4.2 or 4.3, I forgot which) version of the Unix kernal.  When such
>a beast will come out, who knows.

I dunno about the "large amount of work" to which you refer.
As far as I recall, only some MMU and FPU changes are
required, so the low-level kernel routines to do this would
be candidates for change. (Exception/interrupt handling may
also have subtle changes, which could influence device
drivers ... but then, I've never done anything that low
down....)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: janc@amix.commodore.com (Jan Carlson)
Subject: Re: Unix File System Full
Organization: AmigaUNIX Anon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.130125.12862@phillip.edu.au> t9014199@phillip.edu.au writes:
>-- 
>	Well I finnally got my Tape Drive to work, It was a Termination
>	problem :)
>
>	When I was testing it out, I started untaring a rather large Tape
>	Archive I had, before I could stop it, it had filled my File System
>	to capacity.
[...]
>	Can I use the installation diskettes to fix it?

Yes, version 2.03 or 2.1.

1. Boot from the Install diskettes.  
2. When it asks whether to install or repair, say: repair.
3. Then follow each instruction carefully.

It will take a few minutes to sort out the root partition on the hard drive.
When has completed, the hard disk will be mounted as /mnt.
If you untarred files into /home/dazza, you will see them in /mnt/home/dazza.
Delete some of them, then cd / and type Ctrl-D to log out.
Then you should be able to reboot normally from the hard drive.

You should have no problem.

Your Installation tape is probably not defective, it was just suffering
from lack of termination on your tape drive.  The tape contains a number
of cpio archives.  The first one is very small.  Some of the archives
are compressed, so you can't read them with simple cpio.

Also, you can often read a "bad" tape if you retension it first.  The command
is "mt retension" or "mt ret".

>	Thanks DARREN
>--
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>============================================================================
>Email:	t9014199@phillip.edu.au		dazza@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au
From: vandel@di.epfl.ch (Jean-Marc Vandel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Query: about A2410 and reading and writing from the disk!
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:15:11 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: wyk1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 19:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.191108.11459@news.columbia.edu> wyk1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Won Y Kim) writes:

>   Ok, In Unix 2.1 and 2.1p2a
>   there is a facility called xdm which starts up the x windows (X11R4) on
>   a console window on bootup. (usually set up as con10 or alt-F10)
>   so you can get actually log in on that screen (it will ask for 
>   login: and password:) . and depending on your set up based on the 
>   ~/.xsession file, you will at least get 1 shell window and you can
>   start doing thinsg from there.
>
>   You need unix 2.1 to do this however. (the instruction should be in the
>   addendum)

It works nice under Amix 2.03 too ...

>   Unix can use df0: etc.. but so far there is no facility for reading
>   amigados format. (that I know of)
>   Between amydos and amyunix, there is the "BRU" format which you can
>   call from unix and amigados (2.04 and above)

You can also use adosfsys (which is available on amiga.physik.unizh.ch in amix/new) to
READ AmigaDOS floppies. Someone also talked about writing a Unix filesystem for AmigaDOS,
does somebody know if it's finished ?

>			   hope this helps.
>			   Won
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   Won Kim. Programmer ReProgrammer.
>   "I am the SuperGrunt. The *Orginal* SuperGrunt. Perhaps you have heard of me?"
>						   - The Orginal SuperGrunt

Hope this helps too ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: Best Unix for A500?
Keywords: 500 A500
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.140613.1@pearl.tufts.edu> mweinste@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
>I am an ignorant A500 user... What is the best, most reasonable
>package to use UNIX on my computer?  My system includes AmigaDos 2.04,
>3 Meg of RAM (1 chip, 2 fast), and somewhat limited hard drive space.
>Thanks in advance for your advice.

The most reasonable method is go to buy Minix instead of Unix.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Subject: Re: Help with Caliper Tape Drive
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:22:29 GMT
Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting

t9014199@phillip.edu.au writes:
>Hi all,

Hi.

>	I recently got myself a Caliper CP-150SAE tape drive.
> ...
>	"find /home/dazza -depth -print | cpio -ocv -o > /dev/rmt/4"

Should that be "cpio -ocv -O /dev/rmt/4" ???  The command you give
doesn't give me any errors when executed (it's not an error to specify
"-o" twice) but it _should_ still work...

>	The Tape Drive (as far as I know) is not terminated. Could that be
>	a problem?

Yes, it definately could.  I've seen real strangeness on a SCSI bus
when it's not terminated properly.  Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it
won't.  Sometimes the device that should be terminated isn't, but it
works and the other devices don't!

Definately check the termination.

>	Any help would be appreciated.
>
>	Thanks DARREN
>============================================================================
>Email:	 dazza@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au	     T9014199@phillip.edu.au

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: abeech@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Adrian Beech)
Subject: The curses library source?
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date:  6 Sep 92 23:52:18 GMT

Has anyone seen the soruce code for the curses library?  I've looked on
several ftp sites and queried archie... all to no avail.  

Hopefully someone will know where the surcecode lives!


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble)
Subject: Re: Unix and the New Amigas
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:13:41 GMT

I hadn't heard about the new Amigas; A4000 I assume is an '040 machine.  
Does anyone have an announcement or stat sheet online?  I'd like some 
information but I don't want it bad enough to wade through comp.sys.amiga.*.

Please email, since UNIX relevance is minimal..

Bill
From: David_-_Albrecht@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: CD-ROM Under UNIX
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:42:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Unfortunately, installing a file system under Unix is typically a much
more involved affair than under AmigaDos, most likely requiring much in
the way of kernel hackery.  It is unlikely that a third party vendor
will ever provide CDROM support under Amiga Unix.  Commodore I'm sure
could but wether they will is an entirely different matter.  I picked a 2
CDROM set of Unix software from the Prime Time Freeware folks:
(408)738-4832 (I actually got it at Stacey's in Cupertino).  Included
in the set is a utility ala. the mtools set for reading msdos disks
that uses raw device access to allow access to an ISO-9660 file system.
Unfortunately I have not yet successfully gotten it to work with Amiga
Unix.  However, the stumbling block in this case is the scsi disk driver
for which full source is included thus circumvention of the problem should
be possible.  Speculating from a position of total ignorance, it might
be as simple as the fact that the driver is used to dealing with drives
of < 50ms access time where CDROMS have access times > 250ms.  It is a
pain, however.

David Albrecht
From: ford@yoda.uucp (Mike "Ford" Ditto)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: HELP!! Is there a LoadSeg command or an Overlay under Unix?
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:50:00 GMT
Organization: Omnicron Data Systems

In article <1992Sep2.173457.58586@cc.usu.edu>
slmt9@cc.usu.edu (Joshua Dinerstein) writes:
>	Is there a LoadSeg type of command under Unix? Or even and overlay
>manager?

The answer depends on what you want to do.

If you want to create a very large program and only load into memory
the parts that are in use at the time, you don't need to do anything
special.  Just create your program and the demand paging facility will
take care of moving parts of it between memory and disk.

If you want to have parts of a program be optional and/or replacable
at run time, you probably want to look into dynamic shared libraries.
Read dlopen(3x) for more information.

If you want to read an actual AmigaDOS loadable file in LoadSeg
format, you can use the LoadSeg routine which is part of the cvtfont
program.  Source is in /usr/amiga/src/cmd/cvtfont/load* if you have
installed the "Amiga source code" package of Amiga Unix.

					-=] Ford [=-

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