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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:30:27 GMT

Frank R.A.J. Maloney (frankm@microsoft.com) wrote:
> In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
> [deletion]
> >Who's Janis Joplin?
> >
> 
> Just a failed goddess. Never mind. Of no importance.
> 
> Can someone tell me why love is like a ball and chain?
--------
I don't know about that, but won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz?

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:14:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ

In article <1992Oct16.170643.15237@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> I wrote:
>Yes, I think Jess got this exactly right. I think it's a mistake to 
        -----                                -----
>regard all flaming as noise. Just like other kinds of posts, some 
>flames are entertaining and/or well-thought-out, and others fail one
>or both of these tests.
>
>And even when they're not particularly fun to read, I think flames may well
                                                       -----
>serve a highly constructive purpose for the person posting and reading 
>them. I can think of many times that I've worked something out in my own 
             -----
>head by arguing about it with someone else. I'd be willing to bet this 
>happened a lot with men who responded to Sarver here.

I just re-read my post, and found this nearly toxic "think" density. How
embarrassing! This is what happens when I overwrite. I think. :^)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:21:54 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.041117.7984@wam.umd.edu>
lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>In article <1687F1062B.CJR10@CCCVM.CCC.AMDAHL.COM> cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com  
>(Chris Russell) writes:
>} Problem is, just about everyone, gay/straight, white/black, etc. can
>} lay claim to injustices done to them by some other group, somewhere
>} in history.

>What Utter Bullshit!  "Other people have problems, you
>don't see THEM complaining, do you?" That's like Dan Quayle
>saying, "I remember that day when the milkman didn't come
>and we had to drink orange juice ..."

Whoop!  Zipped that one into the quotes file *instantly*!

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:00:45 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) says to J. T. Kittredge:

 >Batting your eyes flirtatiously is evidence of good breeding,
 >but it rarely leads to same.

Steve, are you calling J. T. a breeder-- or maybe a breeder
wannabe?

Mara [who really should be packing]

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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:56:51 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips):
> And in which month do your USA high school years end?

the same month that the television season ends.
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: first no on 9 tv ad i
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:20:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct8.072057.15353
Distribution: soc
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Oct7.184108.5005@spdcc.com> fredh@spdcc.com (Fred Huntington) writes:
>> "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
>> 


>
>There are public officials, among them  U.S. Senator Bob Packwood 
>(Republican and rumored 'family" member) who have not been willing to 
>take a stand on this, and pressure on them is more to the point.
>Packwood, like too many Republicans, is afraid to antagonize the 
>religious right-wing.


Actually Senator Packwood and Senator Hatfield have both publically
stated they are opposed to Measure 9.  

>
>But one way or another, everyone's letters, phone calls, and $$ in opposition 
>to Measure 9 (and the similar measure in Colorado) are important.
>
>Fred Huntington
>(until last year an Oregonian) 

And we thank you so much for your help!!!

This is OUR battle!

Bil Snodgrass III
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 21:02:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct8.032432.22151@spdcc.com> <mattm-081092092207@mcmelmon.apple.com>
  <1992Oct8.221925.2247@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>In any event, Matthew, Madonna has a fair chance of becoming
>the Debbie Harry of the 21st century.

I'm sure you're referring to the fact that Ms. Harry pretty much 
dropped out of sight during the '80s, but talent-wise you
couldn't have paid Madonna a much larger compliment, IMHO. I've
been listening to some of Blondie's music a lot recently, and
I've been amazed to realize that they were so far ahead of the
curve that a lot of it still sounds "contemporary" 10 years
or so after it was recorded.

Not to mention some of their songs that weren't "big hits" get
from other people, who assume it's something just released they
haven't heard of yet.

And I still think that "Call Me" simply HAS to be one of the best
songs to dance to ever recorded. [NOT "dance songs," however.]
 
() The problem with people who have no vices is that
() generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have
() some pretty annoying virtues.
()      -- Elizabeth Taylor
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Re: Ah, Smell the Fashion.
Reply-To: jclander@mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:55:43 GMT

I may have messed up the attributions; this is trimmed from a later
posting.  So forgive me, please, if I've misquoted.

|> Eamonn McManus writes:
|> >dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> >>seats away--it smelled like the ground floor of a department store  
|> >>(ladies' perfume).
|> >
|> >I think this must be a Cultural Universal.  Both Nouvelles Galeries
|> >here in Grenoble and Samaritaine in Paris have Ladies' Perfume (and
|> >not much else) on the ground floor.  Is there an as yet unexplained
|> >reason for this? 
|>

I can make a stab at the reason for Ladies' Perfume on the ground
floor.  The ground floor is where one enters (in most free-standing
stores, at least), so it gets the most traffic.  Perfume is, I would
guess, more of an impulse buy than clothing.  So there is probably
great profit in catching ladies (I use the term deliberately--we
are speaking of traditional reasoning, when all women were ladies)
on their way(s?) in or out with perfurme.  They will smell, adore,
and buy (one hopes).

Now, I know that perfume can be expensive, but a small quantity of perfume
(to try) is comparatively cheap.

At least, that's my guess.  I don't know if there is a traditional
equivalent for men; I think that men are much more limited about their
fragrances.  (Actually, the equivalent is probably tobacco.  But lots
of people would have objections to walking into a tobacco area, particularly
if pungent pipe or cigar tobaccos are being sold.  And there arent'
that many chouces.)

In any case, I think that it was traditional for women to do the shopping,
so it was women that one tried to attract.

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: de-muffining
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:59:04 GMT

dcunning@engr.UVic.CA wrote: 
->After reading several hundred articles from soc.mots I have decided, against my better judgement, to de-muffin. 

i think you made the right decision.

->A few facts about myself :
->- I'm 18 years old, still a virgin and not terribly sure about myself.
->- I've known for most of my life that I'm gay.
->- I've hidden the fact that I'm gay from almost everyone, except for
->  a couple of very understanding friends, for most of my life.
->- I've have been "out" at my university for about five weeks, with
->  the help of a very supporting group.
->- I'm going to my first gay dance tomorrow night.

nothing you've said is remarkable (that is, none of this is
particularly unusual) ... many of us were late bloomers in that we
didn't act on our sexuality until well past the time when our
heterosexual peers (as if such a thing exists) had their first sexual
experiences.

->I'm still not sure why I'm saying all of this, but if anyone has had a similar experience, or just wants to talk, please e-mail me.

->Flamers need not respond to this article.

this sentence *never* works ...

"watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!"

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Elton John donating all royalties?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:19:38 GMT

jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten) writes:

>>I heard a radio news report (WGST, Atlanta) at 9:15 PM last night
>>that Elton John had announced he was donating all future royalties
>>from all his recordings to AIDS research.


>ALL?

>That seems to good to be true?

Honey, I'm sure he's got *more* than enough money by now to last him
the rest of his life. I'm very impressed (and like 'The One', too).

--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: University of Toronto newsletter Health News - issue about STDs
Organization: NDA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:32:21 GMT


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:06:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct7.180608.1742
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct7.163023.18271@quantime.co.uk>
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>In article <1atdfaINNt8k@mizar.usc.edu>,
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>> My birthday is December 9.

And you will be 37, right?

>Same as E. Schwarzkopf.

I'll bet about five times as many (that is, not many) people
here will know who Marlene was as will know who E.
Schwarzkopf is.  And Betty Blackhead will be how old, about
75?  Do you know for sure?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: de-muffining
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:02:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.134829.24015@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com  
(ryerson.schwark) writes:

} In article <1992Oct16.041059.11386@sol.UVic.CA> dcunning@engr.UVic.CA writes:
} >- I'm 18 years old, still a virgin and not terribly sure about myself.
} 
} The only people who are very sure of themselves at this age are the ones
} who are wrong.

Ry, I don't think that is necessarily so ... How could you know all the details  
of every 18 year old?  I was VERY sure of a lot of things (albeit still  
struggling with being Gay).

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Staring at the screen, mind going blank about this.
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:23:34 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>And as for nastiness, I have largely confined my nastiness to those
>who, themselves, are most likely to use it.

>Never took a swipe at FJ! or John Dorrance.

Gee, what a wonderful world, I have been spared. Why?
I hope you weren't expecting gratitude.
						FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:35:13 GMT

If anybody interested, I saw an interview with *her* on RAI UNO last
night. Guess what the new look really is: not early Annie Lennox, but
Twiggy.

That's right, the hair is short and blond and slicked back around the
head with two small plastic flowers in it, both upper and lower
eye-lashes are very prominenent, eye-liner is black and heavy,
eye-shadow is uniform and grey, cheekbones are hardly there.

She pulls it off, except for that ridiculous gold front tooth.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:55:13 GMT

frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) tells me:
>>... Many people won't tangle with someone very rich, very respectable, and 
>>very powerful.  (Particularly not people whose jobs depend on the good graces
>>of a monolithic University administration.)
>
>My remark was directed specifically and personally to Heather, whose
>job probably does not hinge on currying favor with the high and the
>mighty. My question to her was why she did not post a nearly identical
>request before Bloom died.

Heather teaches in the Philosophy department, under several of Bloom's
colleagues.  Next question?

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:16:00 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.155204.14037@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Honey, if this doesn't work, *I* for sure ain't gonna find
>the problem in the source!

A couple warnings, but as I'm consitutionally attuned to
ignoring warnings, I plunged right ahead.  Works quite well
and seems very fast.  I've been busily editing a copy of
/usr/dict/words to eliminate such things as el, la, ii, iii,
ix, all the one-letter entries (guess how many there were
:-).  I deleted jess (perfectly good word, but no fun for
anagrams on my own name) and such words as joss, which even
I am too lazy to look up.  Finally, I've been busily
creating another word list to supplement this one.  piss is
already in there, but fuck, faggot, dyke, cum, and quite a
few other "naughty" words were not.

Now what I need is additional tools to filter the output in
various ways.

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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:10:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ

In article <ldr779INNguq@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Well, I got Phil Ngai to go from enemy to friend... I am working on keeping
>Ronzone out of motss (which only someone he respects can do...)  Next
>target Clayton.
>
>Sometimes it takes a radical approach to change people.  Other times, you
>just have to talk to them.
>
>If you try, perhaps you will find that this works....

Jeff,

I think this is great (really). But ... each of us has a finite 
amount of time and energy to invest in various projects. You've made
a calculation that says it's worth it to you to spend time talking
to (say) Ngai; but can't you imagine someone else deciding that she'd
rather spend her time and energy elsewhere? Why should it be everybody's 
responsibility to enlighten obnoxious posters?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:35:56 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.180608.1742@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

|> I'll bet about five times as many (that is, not many) people
|> here will know who Marlene was as will know who E.
|> Schwarzkopf is.  And Betty Blackhead will be how old, about
|> 75?  Do you know for sure?

Count the rings?

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From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Unwritten Law
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:36:33 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1bcg5jINNsdu@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu
I said:
>
>During a conversation I had with my mother the other day, she said that
>she recognized that it was easy for her to say that homosexual love was
>a sin because it wasn't something she didn't have to struggle with it.

Oops! should read: It was something she didn't have to struggle with.

>Now, I have had similar conversations with others about the facileness
>of heterosexuals who called homosexuality a sin, but all of sudden I
>saw that this amounted to an 11th commandment, "the unwritten law",
>Thou shalt not have sex with member to the same sex.
>
>This unwritten law really doesn't apply to straights because they
>wouldn't be tempted to 'disobey' it. Thus it only applies to the
>queer 10% of the population. In effect, believing that there is
>such a law amounts to saying that God has separate standards for
>some people than for others. Clearly, any law that applies to some
>people and not to others is unjust and because I believe that God
>is fundamentally (sorry) a God of justice, this cannot be what
>is meant.
>
>Either you have a just and loving God who has no problem with
>men loving men and women loving women, or you have an unjust
>God. I know which one I would want to serve.
>
>Gary Byma
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:50:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct9.055016.17817
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <67402@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>In any event, Matthew, Madonna has a fair chance of becoming
>>the Debbie Harry of the 21st century.
>
>I'm sure you're referring to the fact that Ms. Harry pretty much 
>dropped out of sight during the '80s, but talent-wise you
>couldn't have paid Madonna a much larger compliment, IMHO. I've
>been listening to some of Blondie's music a lot recently, and
>I've been amazed to realize that they were so far ahead of the
>curve that a lot of it still sounds "contemporary" 10 years
>or so after it was recorded.

I was referring solely to the fickleness of fame and monetary success
in the absence of relentless and persistent self-promotion.  I had heard
she dropped out because her lover became quite ill (why am I thinking
pemphigus?)  Now she's just a supporting character in Michael Musto's
Village Voice column.

-- 
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