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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: What do you call a young donkey?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:56:23 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: rev@enh.nist.gov's message of 2 Sep 92 13:05:08 GMT

In article <2SEP92.09050807@enh.nist.gov> rev@enh.nist.gov writes:

  The subject line says it all.  Is it a colt?

  Incidentally, this came up in a discussion of the resurgence of the eastern 
  coyote and the use of watch-donkeys to guard the sheep flocks.  It seems that
  a young donkey (whatever they're called) will bond with the sheep and then 
  attack anything that attacks the flock.

  -Rob Vest

Although there are different words for adult donkeys vs horses (at
least in the US---jack=stallion and jenny=mare), for donkey babies we
long-ear lovers use the horse words---foal, colt, and filly.  As for
guard donkeys, it doesn't have to be a young one raised with the herd.
Donkeys are fairly social animals---if one donkey is left alone with a
herd of sheep as the only possible companionship, the donkey will hang
around the sheep.  It will then chase away predators just because
donkeys don't particularly like having strange dogs or cats around.
For herd protection, jennies are preferred, possibly because they have
a stronger instinct to protect their foals (with the sheep sort of
filling the foal slot for a baby-less jenny).  Using entire jacks
often doesn't work, as they sometimes mistake new lambs for dogs and
attack the lambs.  Geldings (and even some jennies) can also do this,
so one can't just toss a donkey out there and hope it will work---one
needs to keep an eye on things for a while.  Also, be aware that some
of the things fed to sheep (supplements and some salt blocks) contain
things that are OK for ruminants, but poisonous to equines, so these
feedstuffs must be placed out in "creep feeders" that the sheep can
get into, but the donkey can't.

But, yes, the right donkey can greatly cut down on sheep losses.  I
once watched my jenny chase 3 big dogs out of our pasture.  And the
only time that I ever lost sheep to dogs was when I had the donkey
locked up on her annual spring anti-founder diet.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: saddle restuffing
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:56:07 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

Considering the problems with my sore-backed horse, Margaret from
Alberta has suggested restuffing the owner's saddle, which seems like
a cheap alternative to buying a new saddle to fit the horse.  But
neither of us has experience with restuffing.  Does anyone know how
one can determine whether a restuffing job would help with a sore
back?  Does the saddler generally make any guarantees on a restuffing
job?  How do you know when a saddle needs restuffing?

Thanks in advance,
Sarah Pallas
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Exercises
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:47:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug26.135030.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> happonen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>Any ideas to make my daily basic exercises more interesting?
>...
>Sirpa

To keep it intersting for me, I invent a long sequence made up of a variety
of things I am working on, and try to execute the sequence *as planned*.  Sort
of like a dressage test, except the movements can be anything you're working
on, in addition to the traditional gaits.  Being able to combine elements where
and when you planned takes more concentration and precision than working on
them individually, which keeps it from getting boring.  To keep it interesting
for my horse (who thinks trotting around in circles is pretty darn boring, no
matter what *I* think I am accomplishing in terms of position and precision),
I include lots of different types of elements.  For example, this week we're
working on canter control, working over ground poles and starting cavalletti,
and working on getting her to back up in a straight line more consistently.
Rather than do ground poles/cavalletti during one part of the session, work on
cantering later, then work on backing up, I am working on a series of patterns
that include short and long canters interspersed with trotting over ground
poles and cavalletti and an occasional halt and back up - and some extended
and collected walking, so she won't forget what we worked on last week.  The
frequent changes in focus keep my horse alert, and trying to stay with the
planned patterns keeps me alert.

I use this approach for elements Daleilah already understands, and I am
trying to practice and improve.  I don't introduce new elements - for example,
going over cavalletti for the first time - in the middle of a practice
pattern, but work on them individually until Daleilah knows what I'm asking.
Of course, your mileage may vary, depending on the temperment of your
horse - maybe some horses would find frequent changes in what they are being
asked to do frustrating instead of interesting?

Kathy Wilber
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Subject: Re: Fescue
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:26:45 GMT

Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>...
>I thought that fescue was toxic, especially to pregnant mares.  Could
>someone please verify this or correct me?  Otherwise, I'll write a 
>letter to the editor of this local newspaper which is otherwise
>respected and much read in an agricultural area.

There is nothing inherently wrong with fescue grass itself.  The
problem comes from a fungus which (as I roughly recall) is present
in the vast majority of fescue plantings.

It is possible to grow "clean" fescue.  However, I personally 
would rather not deal with it and I certainly wouldn't buy fescue
grass of any kind from a third party.

Mabye someone who actually knows the specifics will post... :)

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re:    Dressage at Devon (Again)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:48:37 GMT

In article <92232.094937PIL@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jill M. Paige <PIL@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Since I didn't get a reply the last time I thought I would post
> again.  Does anyone have the dates for Dressage at Devon this
> year?  Sure would appreciate any info.
> Thanks.
> --jill

Hi there - 
    Armed with my latest copy of HorsePlay magazine (sept '92), I see
that Dressage at Devon is to be September 23-27 in Devon, PA.  
Unfortuantely, I can't find any more detail than this in this issue, so far
as a schedule is concerned.  They do give some phone numbers, maybe they 
can fill in any details you might need:

American Horse Shows Ass'n        (AHSA)  (212) 972-2472
US Dressage Federation            (USDF)  (402) 434-8550
US Combined Training Ass'n        (USCTA) (508) 468-7133
American Driving Society          (ADS)   (313) 664-8666
Federation Equestre International (FEI)  0041-21 312 56 56

I got carried away putting in numbers, but maybe they will find their way into
the FAQ file ;-)

                              Rosalie
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: neilson@osf.org (Peter Neilson)
Subject: Looking for a Massachusetts-area riding stable
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:49:25 GMT


A friend here at work asked me where he and his wife might find riding
and/or lessons that they might be able to try over Labor Day weekend.
Perhaps some of you folks might know of a stable within an hour or
two from Boston that would suit his needs.

  Here are some details -

    His wife used to ride, years ago.  He doesn't know whether she
    rode English or Western, jumped or not, etc.

    He has ridden a couple of times, apparently Western, but knows he
    doesn't know much.

    The expense is not a great consideration.  (Sounds like they just
    passed the first prequalification for horse ownership! :-)

    They really don't know whether they want lessons or just riding at
    this stage, but they may want continued involvement.

    They would like to find a stable that will treat them with genuine
    consideration, rather than providing Hobson's Choice.
-- 
            >>>  Peter Neilson  --- neilson@osf.org  <<<
                   Never believe anything you think.
(Quotation changed daily.  If you've seen this one before, it's still yesterday.)
From: Jo.A.Steele@dartmouth.edu (Jo A. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wooden Wheeled Carts--was: what I take while carting
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:31:02 GMT
 <1992Aug26.140010.25042@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0d56@newshost.dartmouth.edu

>Anyway, now I am drooling over wooden wheel carts, Irish jaunting
>carts, etc.
>
>Driving is a blast except for all the flats!
>
>Karen
>I don't want to disillusion you, but wooden wheels, even with the rubber 'edge', are hard on the spine!  You feel every bump and stone in the road.  The smaller the cart, the worse the springs are.  
> Karin and the mighty Morgans!

Karen and Karin...just want to add my .02 worth about wooden wheeled
carts.  I drive a "custom" designed Amish made maraton cart which I
love (365 competitive miles in the past year, not counting those
conditioning miles, pleasure shows and CDE's).  The type of ride
totally depends on the springs, how the shafts are designed, etc.  When
I first got my cart, there were only three spring leaves...after a few
rough rides over ledge and through brooks, I added another leaf and the
ride is totally smooth.  THe type of cart you get also depends on the
type and terrain you'll be driving on.  If you're going over old
trails, etc., don't get a cart designed for the road.  Some people
swear by the flexi-shaft, I don't particularily care for it.  Some
carts are sprung to tightly and those are the ones I find that every
bump is exacerated through my spine.  Granted, my 1860's restored
4-wheeled lady's phaeton is still like driving a cadillac over the
two-wheeler, but then again I don't take it over the trails.  Good luck
if you do go for a wooden wheeler and let me know if you need 
addresses or suggestions in what to look for.

Jo Steele and Heidi (the versatile riding, jumping and driving Morgan)
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse GIF images
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:14:54 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

>Would the person who posted about enjoying the GIF images on their
>Sun machine (or anyone else with a Sun) e-mail me (a novice Internet/Sun
>user) on how to do this?
>
>Thx in advance.
>
Or could you post it here for some of us who didn't ask the very
good question? **embarrassed grin**
Susan

--
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lmasterm@cs.ulowell.edu (Lisa Masterman)
Subject: Re: The Whip Was: CO2 pistol
Originator: lmasterm@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:51:22 GMT


In article <1992Aug24.152627.14110@morrow.stanford.edu>, AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:

|> Another thing to remember is, if the horse is afraid of the whip,
|> then when you use it s/he will scoot away from it (or worse),
|> therefore losing the frame and cadence you had established earlier.
|> So you have to regain whatever you lost, thus making the whip more
|> of a problem than a help.

I agree!  I was infinitely humiliated when I was doing a course in a collegiate
horse show and I used my whip (the horse was ignoring my leg and I could feel
she was going to break from the canter) and she danced ten feet sideways!
Granted, I knew this horse and was aware she liked to fall out on her corners,
so I should have had an iron outside leg to prevent this, but in any case we
actually MISSED the damn jump!  I landed a fourth in that class only because
everyone else screwed up more miserably than I, but still, it was a bad
situation.

 
|> I've ridden horses who had learned this trick rather well:
|> "...ignore the leg, ignore the leg...YIKES!!  YOU HIT ME!  (leaping
|> forward)... oh my, now I am certainly too upset to work...I'm way
|> too upset, way too upset...sigh...yawn...ignore the leg, ignore the
|> leg...."

Insert: YIKES!  YOU HIT ME!  *buck*  *kick the wall*  *throw a temper tantrum*
Now just for that I'm going to ignore the leg...  ignore the leg...

|> -gwyn
-- lisa
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: First Horse
Date: 24 Aug 92 09:45:28 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I agree with Dorothy and Sue that if you are to keep this horse, then
give it to an experienced trainer for awhile. Rearing and kicking can be
cured, but it takes time, understanding and patience. I don't believe in
bad horses, just mishandled or badly trained horses. 

Having said the above, I now want to suggest you sell the horse. Your post
indicated you are not very experienced and this horse is going to require
a very experienced horseperson even if you send it to a trainer. The 
horse may come back to you well mannered, but it will soon learn bad habits
again if you don't have the know-how to keep one jump ahead of this horses
mind. If there is any doubt about your ability to handle this horse (and
you post suggests there is), then please sell it before you or your daughter
or the horse are hurt. 
- Ross


From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:03:24 GMT
Subject: FAQ-ADDRESSES
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


                        ADDRESSES OF HORSE GROUPS


TrailBlazer 
5000 Carrizo Rd, 
Atascadero, Ca 93422 
$18.00/yr

American Endurance Ride Conference
701 High Street Suite 203, 
Auburn,Ca 95603. Phone 916-823-2269. 

NATRC (North American Trail Ride Conference)
P.O. Box 20315
El Cajon   CA   92021
(619)  588-7245
(Competitive Trail Riding)
TB owners and Breeders Assoc.
Lexington, Ky    606-276-2291

Jockey Club
Lexington, KY  606-224-2700

Jockey Club Pedigrees (ask for Hard Copy Services)
1-800-333-1778

Jockey Club Information Systems 1-800-333-1778. 

The Jockey Club
40 East 52nd Street
New York, New York  10022
(212) 371-5970

American Trakehner Association 	614-344-1111 (OHIO)

American Hannoverian Society	206-481-8730 (WA)

International SportHorse Registry/Oldenburg Verband 708-695-8152 (IL)

KWPN ( Dutch Warmblood Society )  503-384-7914 ( CA )

American Holsteiner Horse Assoc.  502-863-4239 (KY)

AQHA 806-376-4811.  

ApHC (Appaloosa Horse Club)
P.O. Box 8403 
Moscow, Idaho 83843 
(208)882-5578

The American Donkey and Mule Society, 
2901 North Elm Street,
Denton, TX 76201.


AMERICAN CONNEMARA PONY SOCIETY
32600 FAIRMOUNT BLVD
PEPPER PIKE, OH 44124
32600 FAIRMOUNT BLVD.


SPUR's address and phone number is:

Monmouth County Park System
Att: Ann Simon, Director S.P.U.R.
805 Newman Springs Road
Lincroft NJ   07738
Phone: 908 842 4000  Extension: 258
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Why post with outside foreleg?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.212631.28207@u.washington.edu>, jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> Hi there --
> I have a friend who has just started taking riding lessons (she loves it!) 
> and she asked me today why, when you're posting, you rise when the outside
> foreleg goes forward.  I realized I didn't know.  I suppose rising with the
> outside foreleg means the energy you're using to rise is coming from the
> outside hindleg -- have I got that right??  What I'm asking is, is this just
> a convention, or does it make it easier for the horse in some way?
> Thanks --
> Kathleen

I had this very same question a few years ago, since I could never remember 
whether it was supposed to be the inside or outside front leg I was supposed to
keep track of.  This is how my instructor reasoned it out:
   Trotting is a diagonal gait, so when you see the outside front go forward,
you know that the inside back is going foward.  In a circle, or an arena's
corners, the horse is usually has a bend such that the inside hind has a shorter
length to reach, and must "bunch up" the loin muscles more when the inside
hind/outside front stride is being taken.  By rising at this stride, you make
it easier for the horse to work properly.
   (I was so excited when I could *finally* feel the propulsion from the 
horse's hindquarter sending me up at the trot!  I must've been really bouncing
around before that...)
    Later, I took lessons at Linda Zang's (dressage) barn, and my instructor
there would occasionally have us trot on the "wrong" diagonal, to strengthen 
the horse's back.  But she never recommended using that diagonal for an 
extended period of time.

    Now, for the obligatory reference :-) to trail riding:
Just because you're not riding in an area doesn't mean you can ignore diagonals!
Try to switch frequently.  Also, believe it or not, you do sometimes develop
a bend on the trail - trails are not always straight. So try to use the correct
diagonal if you can.  It saves some wear and tear on your horse, and you can
feel like a "good" horseman (or horsewoman).

Rosalie and Shogun

 PS Good luck on your orals!
From: regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Why post with outside foreleg?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 13:46:01 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Aug31.212631.28207@u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
>Hi there --
>I have a friend who has just started taking riding lessons (she loves it!) 
>and she asked me today why, when you're posting, you rise when the outside
>foreleg goes forward.  I realized I didn't know.  I suppose rising with the

As I've heard it explained, it means you are sitting when the inside hind
leg is under the horse, supporting the horse, which balances the horse 
better on corners.

Of course, I've also been told that the Brits post on the other diagonal....

Adrienne Regard
From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:55:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug27.203847.27677@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy) writes:
> In article <4742@rosie.NeXT.COM> llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
> >Jill:
> >
> >
> >When I brought the vet into the picture, he suggested alternating Betadine  
> >rinses with shampoos using Neutragena T (yes, this is the shampoo for humans  
> >:-) ). In both cases, he advised diluted solutions and rinsing thoroughly after  
> >
> >Liza and Kinsale
> >llyons@next.com
> 
> 
> Has anyone heard this solution before?  At the barn where I'm
> share boarding and at another local stable where my friend boards
> there have been many horses coming down with a fungus-like skin
> problem where bald spots appear.  At my stables, the women have
> been using Massengill douche, mixed according to directions, applied
> to the affected areas.  They've been getting very quick responses.
> 
Janet:
some of the douches have Betadine in them, thus it may be the
same ingredient that's stopping the fungus. (It should say on
the label ). I would guess however, that the douche is more
expensive?
My horse had some sort of itch/loss of hair that was rampant
at my old barn. My husband's a pharmacist, and brought home
something called "Lotrimin", which seemed to work when all
the stuff the vets were using failed. One of my doctor
friends suggested a cream or ointment with cortisone, like
Cortaid, to help stop the itching.
I have also heard that you can over-do it on the Betadine
shampoo.

Good luck, those itches can really be a pain

Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Il
From: lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fescue
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:50:27 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Fescue is not the problem, it's something that lives on the
fescue.  I don't think it is a problem for anything but pregnant
mares.  I believe it is best to remove pregnant mares from fescue
pastures a few months before the birth.  There was a discussion
on this topic a while back, and there are several folks on the
net who know lots more about it than I do.  There was also an
article in either Equus or Practical Horseman sometime last year.
Linda
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:03:11 GMT

In article <5134@gold.gvg.tek.com> conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.054842.6096@infonode.ingr.com> blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Pam) writes:
>
>>to make a custom blanket for foals. However it did state in there
>>
>>that wool can be abrasive and hard to clean. And cotton will shrink 
>>
>>in the wash. It recommended using either 100% acrylic, 100% polyester
>>
>>and vellux, made by Lady Pepperell. I hope that this may have been
>
>If you preshrink the cotton fabric before making the blanket it won't
>shrink in the wash (sewer's "trick").  Wash it and dry it as high as
>
>
>Both cotton and wool breathe.  Wool however will keep you much warmer
>than a comparable weave and thickness of cotton, and wool is a much
>lighter-weight fiber than cotton.  However, when wet, even the softest
>wools (e.g. lambswool or merino) will feel scratchier than when they're
>dry.
>
>Woolen fabric can certainly be handwashed (cool to cold water), just

>
>Acrylic and polyester do not breathe and do not absorb water.  They will
>hold in heat and sweat, though.  I personally don't like to wear these fibers
>
>Coni B.
>conib@peri.gvg.tek.com


 
   
 
 
 
 I definitly agree with you on this. As I stated in my earlier post
 
 I was not personaly familiar with Quarter Sheets. I was just stating
 
 what I had read about the wool and cotton in a magazine. And what it had 
 
 recommended probally was for just a blanket. However prior to my last post I 
 
 had no Knowledge of Quarter Sheets. Probally because of the climate I live 
 
 in is why they are hard to find. Please forgive my ignorance  on this 
 
 subject,  I guess we all learn something new on the net. one time
 
 or another. ;-)
 
                        Pam Blythe
 
 
 

From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:00:10 GMT
Subject: FAQ-COLORS
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO