HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Danny Ferry - Did he err?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:36:19 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Aug25.221114.24137@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>> Did I ever tell you about the time Sean Elliott shot the game winning
>>3-pointer over Danny Ferry up in Jersey??? I did? OH -  OK then, never
>>mind.....
>That was one of my favorite shots of all time!!!

Hey, did you guys hear about Christian Laettner's game winning shots over
UConn and Kentucky in the NCAA, no less?  You have?  How about his game 
winning free throws over UNLV?  That too? Rats.

--R. (if they can live in the past, so can I......)
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:08:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug28.190810.55088
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <4223@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.002603.29610@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>
> So what year *did* Michael win the All-Star MVP? Given that Magic won
>1992 and Charles won 1991, I don't have stats for All Star games so I'm
>actually asking. You guys follow MJ, know his stats and all. I'm just
>looking for the answer. Remember, there is a seeker born every minute. :-)
>

Jordan won the AllStar MVP in 1988. 
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Selling the Lakers short
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:09:58 GMT

In article <37593@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>The Lakers won 40 odd games (around 44, if I remember
>correctly) last year. They played the last 2 months of the season
>with this patchwork lineup playing a lot of minutes: 
>Campbell, Green, Scott, Teagle, and Threatt.  

Yea, but they won a good portion of those games *before* the injurys.
When Magic went down, the Lakers went on a rampage.  They were up with
the Pacific leaders early on.  I'd imagine they were ~.400 after the
allstar break.

The Lakers problem is their division.  Phx, Portland, GS, Seattle, and
the Clippers make up a good portion of the Lakers games and all of
them are increadibly quick, something the Lakers (particularly right
now) can't deal with very well.  All those guys will be well over
.500 again this year (in fact all but Portland should be significantly
better), which doesn't leave the Lakers a lot of games to win.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:32:32 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep1.224059.18177@Princeton.EDU>, hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>> He has absolutely no right to whine about this!  If Shaq had made himself
>>available for the world championships, Pan Am games, etc, when USA Basketball
>>really needed him, then maybe he would have a case.  Laettner had put in his
>>time, and deserved the slot.  Jimmy Jackson would have been another worthy
>>choice.
>Cut this crap please !! Being chosen for the Olympics is a prestigious
>issue and the BEST player should be given a chance (things such as availability
>for other tourneys should not count).. And most certainly Shaq is a few
>levels better than Laettner as a player.

   If they wanted the BEST player, they shouldn't have gone to the college
ranks.  They should have gotten _________ (fill in your favorite NBA player
who got robbed here).  However, they wanted a college player, one who has
international experience, one who can play on the perimeter, someone with
some versatility.  Shaq is a dominant shot-blocker and rebounder but he is
nowhere near as versatile as Laettner or JJ.  And Shaq is certainly not a 
better shooter (especially on those free throws!) than CL. And tell, me why
*shouldn't* "availability for other tourneys" count?  Shaq blew off USA 
basketball for two years, and then he expects them to come begging for him?  
It would have been a slap in the face to those players who had served on these
teams.  USA Basketball wanted the best **college** player (as evidenced by all
those POY awards) and they got him.  

>I would guess that the guys in the selection committee are racists who
>wanted to project a "nice image of the US" given that there are already
>"too may bad guys" such as Charles Barkeley and Karl Malone. 

  So they got well known "nice guy" Christian Laettner.  Yeah.  Right.
  
--Rob Clough
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 13:29:10 EDT

In article <1992Aug28.203829.21098@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

>
>I never said Jordan won in 1991, because he won in 1990 when the game was
>in Chicago, and what a surprise it was...;^)
>
 
	Sure was a surprise to me, as the 1990 All-Star Game wasn't in Chicago.
:-) The game was in 1988, and I have it on tape.  It surely wasn't a surprise
that Jordan won the MVP, what with everybody except Isiah Thomas passing him
the ball... In fact, Bird said before the game that the East All-Stars' job was
to get the ball to Jordan, since it was his 'hometown.'
	40 points in an _All-Star_ Game? Wow. Regarding my last post, about the
parallels, he came within two points of matching Wilt's All-Star Game record 42
in that game.  :-)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: thanks ed and dave
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:13:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug31.145920.4738@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.133942.30188@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>> 
>I have a good solution that should please everyone. Dave and Ed should take
>this nonsense to e-mail where they can joust forever without wasting
>extreme amounts of bandwidth. Despite what everyone on the net seems to
>think, this is not free. It is subsidized by many organizations. It is
>OK to have fun in this newsgroup. However, a personal arguement like this
>should go to e-mail.
>
>OR do Dave and Ed really think we would miss this :-/
>
>Dr. Norman J. LaFave

Funny, not including the extreme example of the end of our recent argument,
Ed and I have had numerous arguments that have dealt very specifically with
basketball.  Many of them dealt with topics you may/may not have cared about.
I don't see how our discussion is any worse than the recent discussions 
concerning such nonsense as "Australia could have beaten the Dream Team", or
"The NBA won because the had more blacks/Blacks can jump better/other hogwash",
or any of a dozen other threads that have passed through here recently.
So far, Ed and I have argued over :
	1) The respective abilities and merits in a comparison of Isiah and
		John Stockton
	2) The incident regarding Isiah Thomas and Karl Malone
	3) A comparison of Dennis Rodman and David Robinson and a discussion
	        on Defensive prowess
	4) Team favoratism or lack of therein in the NBA.

Looking back over our arguments, while oftentimes overlong and too 
derivative in nature, they often dealt with more "basketball" related
topics than many other things discussed on the net.  And, based on the number
of people who have contributed to or commented on our discussions, it 
would seem as many other have been interested in them as well.  While I
am not condoning our habit of getting into petty flame wars at times,
if you don't like it, don't read it...
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:30:29 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>I'm not arguing that they were not great teams, just that I didn't see that
>great a rivalry between the 2 players. Sure the teams got "up" against each
>other, but it wasn't like Magic vs. Bird, with each trying to outdo the other.
>Magic had Kareem as the go to guy, and Bird had pretty good support up front.
>It was a team rivalry.
>
>Anyways, this is pretty subjective, and I would agree that boxing rivalries
>like Ali-Frazier were more intense IMO.
>
>Ron
>
>|>Ronnie
>|>-------------------------------------------------------------
>|>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
>                                                                         

You never watch the Finals in the 80's did you?

Bird vs Magic was the greatest rivalry. Magic would come down the court and drive the lane and put up a finger roll. Then Bird would come down Hit a big three.
Magic would make a incredible pass and Bird would come down and make a no look
pass. This would go on from the opening tip to the end of the game...


Man those were finals...
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:57:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <1992Aug30.025952.14048@wam.umd.edu>, huesmann@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Edward Huesmann) writes:
> 
> 
> Alas, 'nuff said... :(
> 
> Joe
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |  huesmann@wam.umd.edu     "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all   |
> |  Joseph E. Huesmann        the world, she walks into mine!"                |
> |                                              -- Rick Blaine, "Casablanca"  |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

Well, isn't this a flimsy attempt at producing a flame war.

Redskin fan in Texas hell
From: dolsen@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird's 3ptr (Re: Mike)
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug27.151106.3799@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes...
>In article <1992Aug27.135359.19432@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Hey Ed, give it a rest.  This was not a comment concerning you, just a joke
>>make on your (and my) behalf.  No one wants to listen to your whining and 
>>bringing things up again.   Or are we going to hear you regurgitations 
>>every time I post something?
>Of course not. Who cares if you posted something about Bird and Magic and MJ?
>But your previous post was in the same thread as our flame war. Talking about
>stopping, huh?
> 
>I knew exactly the subject of our next flame war: Boston Bias/favoritism/3ptr.
>Let's see how many days you can resist before reviving it.
> 
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          

You're a complete, unadulterated idiot Lor.  I often wonder if you're
actually just a virus or an undergraduate AI program that lacked the
knowledge base.  I want to see one intelligent post from you.  Not your
definition of intelligent but the general definition of intelligent.



David Olsen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: Charlotte/Orlando
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:48:07 GMT

In article <Btv9L8.Iqy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe) writes:
>my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong Orlando fans) is that Orlando CAN'T
>trade Roberts for four years.

The No-trade clause in the offer sheet was for one year.  However, Roberts has
the right to waive the clause if he wants to.  He undoubtedly will (or already
has) because he is protected by a clause in the free-agency rules that states
that a restricted free agent whose original team retains his rights by meeting
an offer sheet may not be traded for one-year without his consent.  The
no-trade clause means nothing to Roberts after Orlando matches Dallas' offer.
Dallas has no legal standing in the matter.  

Tom@Orlando

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all? (was Re: Predictions)
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:26:51 GMT

Milwaukee has made drastic changes during the off season, and is a
totally different team now.  Dunleavy is the master of coaching an
under-dog team.  I find the change of roster in the Bucks so far
pretty impressive, with the exception of acquiring Abdelnaby, who does
not worth a Dale Davis IMHO.  Look for Blue, Mayberry and Day to
change the team's image next seaon.  I mean, they may not be a sure
thing at the bottom of the division any more.

My prediction: ROY will be JJ, while Shaq will make the all-star team.

Harry



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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:18:34 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <1992Aug25.190046.3975@bmerh85.bnr.ca> stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg Domaratzki) writes:
> FLAME BAIT:
> There never has and never will be another rivarly as fierce as that between
> Magic and Bird in professional sports.

Bill Russell v. Wilt Chamberlain, just for starters...
Hell, they at least played each other more than twice a year.

-- 
Rich Carreiro                                  Home: (401)841-8514
rlcarr@animato.network23.com
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:16:54 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug31.181304.25614@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara) writes:
>I guess this is one of the reasons I like(d) Bird so much - basketball
>was his life and he practiced and played 110% all the time.  It has
>been noted that Larry was often the first to practice and the last to


110%? Where did the extra 10% come from practicing while he was asleep,
astral projecting? Yes Larry Bird worked very hard to make himself a
great basketball player, but I seem to recall a few article noting
Larry's interest in fishing. The guy did have a life outside of playing
hoops. So does Michael and he should.

Both are/were great players, both feature different skills. Both worked
extremely hard to achieve their level of greatness. Both have made a lot
of money marketing themselves, Michael is better at it because lets face
it, Larry isn't all that good looking, and he's got an accent that advertising
people don't like. Michael on the other hand has the look they want.
Mike gets all the Nike work, Larry builds the Larry Bird Hotel in French
Lick and gets his money that way.

For Jordan golf is a release from being Michael Jordan, the guy can't
go out in public without being mobbed. He can't do anything without
reporters watching him. Under those conditions, I would go out and 
play golf alot too(and I don't even play golf).



Russ Smith
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Michael Irvin's Contract????
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.141105.19636@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:

>Any news on how far apart the Cowboys and Michael Irvin are????

>Is it possible he might play this week or next????

>Email me answers....

>Thanks in advance!!!

>Chris....


Wrong newsgroup Chris ;-)


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
==============================================================================
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Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:58:06 -0400 
From: Jackson Tam <jt38+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Wanted ! McDonald Cups !

Hi,
I missed a lot of McDonald Olympic Cups , Anybody want to sell or trade?

Thanx,
Jackson
PS- Is this the right bboard to post to?
From: barkema0332@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: DT II?
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:58:00 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Quick question for all of us diehard b-ball fans.  With so much talk about the
DT, which by the way was one of the greatest showcase of athletic talent ever
seen on this planet, do you think that 4 years from now there will be a DT II 
or have we proven our point.  Which is that no one in the world can come close
to messing with the finest basketball players in the world which are found
right here in the good old U.S.A.
        Was just curious as to the response.

L. Wyn Barkema
-----------------------------------
From: begley@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Call for a new news group...
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:38:14 GMT
Organization: NIST

How many think a petition should be raised for:

        rec.sport.basketball.pro.meeks.and.lor ?

Sadly, my system does not support kill files and I'm thoroughly
tired of seeing so damn many of their "he said it; no, HE said
it posts". I'll bet there are many others out their who feel
it posts". I'll bet there are many others out there who feel
likewise. One would think that two supposedly mature
individuals who have had four successive flame wars with no
RATIONAL conclusion would simply realize that the best thing
to do would be to agree to disagree and NEVER respond to
one another's posts. You two must have zero respect for the
value of time.

If you decide to turn your blow-heart-torches in my direction,
rest assured that I won't respond.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: What does the black tape on the shoulder mean?
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:43:56 GMT


The black tape on the shoulder means that the team/playrs is paying tribute
to someone from the organization that passed away recently.  It could be a
front office employee, employee's spouse, player, coach, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:58:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.125914.7775@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>82-83  o NCAA Player of the Year
Can this be true? 82-83 was Ralphie's senior year. As far as I remember,
Ralphie won all but one Player of the Year polls (including the Wooden
Award), while Jordan won only one. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu (Son Nguyen)
Subject: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:19:01 GMT

Since noone has mentioned it...

I saw a blurp on ESPN last night stating that the Clips will get
Stanley Roberts and Mark Jackson, the Knicks will get *Charles Smith*,
Doc Rivers and Bo Kimble, and the Magic will get some draft picks
(don't remember what/when...).  I'm not sure if it's a done deal or
just a rumor.  Anyone has more???  If it goes thru, looks like NY
is getting the MUCH better end of the deal.  I don't know what the Clips 
and Magic gain from this (I guess Orlando will have money for the Shaq).
Oh well, there went the Clip's best player/low post defender (I always 
thought Smith was a good match vs the Mailman).  I think I'll root for 
the other L.A. team now, the Knicks :-)  Maybe Riley will now trade 
Wilkins for a real shooting guard (no slight on Doc), how 'bout 
Reggie Miller?  I think he would get along with Magic and Worthy just fine :-)

Son Nguyen
Office of Academic Computing
snguyen@uci.edu
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:35:47 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Aug31.053957.28254@leland.Stanford.EDU>, terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:

[stuff about classy stuff Shaq is doing deleted]
  I'm impressed with Shaq's general attitude and team spirit.  His attitude,
intelligence and humor will probably go over quite well with his team. 
 However......

>About the Olympics, he said that he was very disappointed that he was not
>selected for the Dream Team.  He said he was disappointed for himself, for
>his family, and LSU.   He said that he definitely wants to be on the team
>in 96, or the year 2000 if he does not make the 96 team.

 He has absolutely no right to whine about this!  If Shaq had made himself
available for the world championships, Pan Am games, etc, when USA Basketball
really needed him, then maybe he would have a case.  Laettner had put in his
time, and deserved the slot.  Jimmy Jackson would have been another worthy
choice.

--Rob Clough
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro,rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: BI-WEEKLY POSTING: Data available on FTP sites.
Originator: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Las Hermanas de Nuestra Senora de los Pepinares
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:00:29 GMT

There is a bunch of NBA and NFL data -- stats, records, game scores,
schedules (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) -- available for public FTP
on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  (Also known as ftp.wustl.edu, internet
address 128.252.135.4) You can access the data through anonymous FTP.
To do so, type:
	ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
and then enter "anonymous" as the user-id, and your e-mail address
as the password.  Once in there, switch to the directory of your
choice.  For NFL scores, the directory is
	/pub/nfl-scores
For NBA stuff (so much more than just scores), it's
	/doc/misc/nbastats/facts
Both directories contain a README file, which will tell you more
about the available data.

The details of the FTP program may be system-dependent.  If in
doubt, consult your system administrators.  Enjoy!

--Gidi

PS:  Lots of thanks to Washington University at St. Louis.

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