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From: TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 16:41:00 GMT
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>is no fun. Are you keeping the beard ? Men and maybe women in Words-l must
>have beards. It is sorta part of the look.

	The beard isn't at issue.  It was last removed in approximately March
	1972 -- whenever I had my last medical school interview.  And the
	mustache has been in existence continuously since June 10, 1968 -- high
	school graduation day.

	abh, if I do cut the tail I'll be sure to send you a significant
	number of locks for you to use <to your heart's content>.

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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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              9 Nov 1992 01:34:02 -0500 from <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:34:02 -0500 Joan Boorstein said:
>How did you your message get to the list?  It is not obvious from your
>posting that it came via abnormal channels -- maybe that is because
>everything we see comes out of uga.cc.uga.edu -- what are you having to do?

   The message you refer to got through because I piggybacked on
   abh's message.  I have been unable to post directly since early
   morning Saturday (I assume because of the AT&T problems).  I
   shudder now to see my collected works coming through; I hope at
   least some of them were etherized.

   brad
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clear the air
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

> I notice with some satisfaction that Virupaksha and "Any usenet reader"
> are not mentioned this time. Things will improve even further, I venture
> to say.

My obvious oversight has been rectified.

-abh
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Subject: Re: Nov. 22, 1963
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:30:33 GMT
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>> [yes, Natalie, we did this last year or the year before]
>
>It was last year.  I remember because I'd been an on-off lurker for a while,
>and for some reason this thread helped me "recognize" the various list
>personalities.
>
>rashmi

Yep, it occurred during my lurker period too... and I even remembered with a
little reminder what the list regulars were doing at that time. I thought
that since there have been quite a few newbies arrive in the last twelve
months, it would make an interesting thread revisited..... It also helped
refresh my memory on the ages of various list members. :-)

Carolyn
From: TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain)
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Subject: Re: The Democrats and Me
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>This return to the discussion of Presidents and Presidents-elect reminds
>me of something I had meant to ask or look up.  I read that Clinton will
>be the 3rd youngest President  in U.S. history.  JFK was the youngest,
>wasn't he?  That's not the question.  I threw in the tag question because
>I never trust my memory anymore.  The question I wanted to ask is who was
>the other President younger than Clinton.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

	Nancy is correct that Teddy Roosevelt is the other younger-than-Clinton
	President.  He was, in fact, our *youngest* President in history, only
	42 when he was elevated from Vice President upon the death of McKinley
	in 1901.  Kennedy was the youngest to be *elected* President, age 43.

	Oh, and Harding's death was attributed to food poisoning (bad fish in
	San Francisco), though Frank's allusion to his 'friends' relates to the
	supposition that it might have been somewhat less than accidental.

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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Put some malaise on that hoagy
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> : --ggs (happy to have his country <back>)
>
> And what does that mean, pray tell?
>
> Steve Karlson

I just got my country back from the <grungy> Republicans.
--ggs
Well, *most* of it.
From: LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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Subject: Re: Establishment (was legislating)
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>Actually, Carlyn,

Add that one to your typo list, Graham(e). :-)

>it was always a toss-up between that and floccinaucinihilipilification.
                                          *****************************

Wonderful word and a lot easier to work into a conversation. The dictionarial
pedants missed that one....understandable considering that at the age this
research was being conducted there were other words in the same section that
were of greater interest to 'small minds'.

Carolyn
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Stuffed Bunny in Wreck
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>Should
>I refuse to let stuffed rabbits ride in my car, or should I just make sure
>they're wearing seatbelts?

     Just keep the bunny off your lap when you're on Lake Shore Drive,
     that's all I ask.

     Carol
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From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: HELLO!

Anne,
Please forgive me. I can only suppose that the entire "Leather Judith"
scenario has usurped the part of the brain which normally controls
proofreading. I still have questions, but I'll save them for my
psychiatric assistance team.

Peece, Luve, and Speling,
Jim
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Date: 6 Nov 92 03:04:08 GMT
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I was not quite six, playing in my room, when my mother came running upstairs
screaming "They've killed the president, they've killed the president", grabbed
me into her arms, and started bawling. I feel a bit ashamed to say this, but
my only thought at the time was that I was glad this was indoors and none of my
friends could see.
     It is the first outside-world event I can remember.
     And we still haven't figured out who "they" were.

     I also remember the 25th anniversary. 11/22/88 was the day I gave my first
lecture--I did not consider it the greatest of omens (Bay State boys in public
places, etc.).

               blomberg cepeda      st402747@brownvm
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: top secret?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 04:18:21 GMT
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In a previous article, CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu () says:

>Greetings,
>
>This widely know publication is, of course, Quayle Quarterly, which will
>soon be ceasing publication, after 12 issues.
>
It's published here in CT, in a couple's spare bedroom.  The Hartford
Courant just ran a big story on it.  If anyone wants the article for some
reason, I'll cut it out and snail it.  

On another quarterly that's a hoot - the Quarterly Review of Doublespeak.
It's a fairly small publication, more like a newsletter, that reports 
choice bits of bureaucratese and politician-speak.  Dan Quayle's made the
front page once or twice.

>
-- 
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:17:06 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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	I just discovered that "animus" can mean "animosity."  So forget what I
	said earlier about malapropisms.  I've never heard "animus" used that way.
	   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

If you're saying that on the strength of the OED's description which
ends in 'hence, animosity' - I think that that means that animosity
is thus derived from animus, not that 'hence animus means animosity'.

On the other hand, if you're saying that on the strength of Websters,
well.. it seems to be the dictionary of preference for those who chose
to refer to authority only when it suits them :-)  (by virtue of its
legitimatizing of erroneous uses through cataloguing them, often
without indication of their dubious status)

G
From: samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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>Friends -- did my plea wrt symbolism/reification not get out past eniac, or
>are you all <stumped>, or wh?  Thought I'd have heard from at least
>one pedant by now :-)

Now I am getting REALLY interested in why you want to know this. There are
very few magazine contests which require you to define reification before
a dealine, after all.

tushar
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ((Agnes Kruchio))
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Subject: Re: Professional Activities on Electronic Networks
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:51:06 GMT
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              Nov 9, 92 5:08 pm

While we are talking about professional activies and e-mail - how
would you reference something you have come across on the nets - say,
on WORDS-L? What form would this take and how could anyone double-check?
Would you use it at all - in a paper, say? What if it is
a good thought and you want to give credit where credit is due? What
about copying and other forms of duplications? So many questions....

Agnes
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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ("Natalie Maynor") says:

>
>I don't save delivery-error messages.  :-)

You just reply to them?:-)

>(And our mailspool space isn't part of our own disk space.  So far, I've
>not heard of any limitations on amount of incoming mail allowed.  I have
>heard of people who've neglected to check their mail for weeks and have
>logged on to find thousands of pieces of unread mail waiting for them.)
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
Sounds like a fellow wordsler, Natalie!  Either that or the poor soul was
hooked to Politics, or maybe Linkfail when a link failed, bouncing all and
sundry.  I just *love* endless loop error messages.....
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From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Subject: Re: Did prop. 9 fail in oregon?
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:42:38 GMT
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>
> Taking of which, I also noticed this post; is this a typical attitude
> of Americans to people who live in trailer parks?  I thought it was
> very unpleasant and about as biased as you can get.
>
> ] SURE. Pat "Himmler" Buchanon was allowed to spew his
> ] poison in front of the convention, the media, and the
> ] world with the full knowledge and collaboration of
> ] your scumbag candidate George Bush along with the
> ] rest of the party leadership, because they thought
> ] a little race-baiting would pick up some support
> ] from the white-trash/trailer park sector of the
> ] electorate.

Graham, I'd like to think this is not a prevalent attitude.  I'm
not comfortable with people who toss stereotypes like this around...
when I was growing up, "white trash" was an insult you didn't
use lightly....one of those expressions that nice people...decent
people...didn't use.  The idea that people are *trash* because they live
in a certain place makes me furious.  Who *was* this person?
ndh
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From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (67)
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I only got these this morning.  You may have heard about our little
problem with the mailer this weekend....  I blame myself for
everything.  I think I caused the Internet crash here, too, though we
have one of those each month.  Ask me, and I'll blame myself for the
St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, too....

>You won't believe this, but there are about 900 Japanese words listed
>for the word 'copulate (fuck)', and about 1,200 words for 'vagina
(cunt)'.

Could you post them?  Next time we have a religious or KulturKrieg
here, we could use them for a bit of linguistic variety.

> 1) _Mother Jones_ (Ken W.)

Left-leaning :-) magazine of social commentary.  Sort of what
_Ramparts_ was like back in the 1960s and early Seventies.  _Ramparts_
used to sell their mailing list.  I know, because sold my name to a
bunch of marketers, and when I got irate and complained, they said
they were going broke.

>10) "I Am A Fugitive From A Chain Gang" (Ken W.)

Film from around 1935 with Paul Muni.  It was based on the experiences
of a real person who broke out of Georgia chain gang after he was sent
there for being the accomplice to a robbery.  He spent several years
living as a model citizen after his escape, was sent back, broke out
again, but was not extradited the second time.  The book he wrote, and
the movie in which Muni starred, reputedly had some effect on Southern
methods of incarceration.

The end of the film is chilling, its point being that the protagonist
was not a criminal before he landed in this Georgia penal colony, but
desperate times require desperate remedies.  Before he disappears into
the shadows (literally), his girlfriend asks him "But how do you
live?"  His reply: "I steal!"

>24) AARP (Doris)

The American Association of Retired Persons.  A fairly powerful lobby
and organization for people over 50.  Occasionally they miss the boat.
Over the summer, they sent mail to my mother, who had died in
February, urging her to renew her membership so they could be her
voice in Washington, DC.  I thought of any number of great
comebacks....

Ken
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>Story about the Jew who converted to being a Baptist. A year
>later, he converted to Catholicism. Asked why, he said, "So
>when they ask me what I was before I was Catholic, I can say,
>'Baptist'."
>
>You not only can't be drummed out, you can't quit.

Story about the old Jewish guy, very religious, who sees The End
approaching.  He calls his son to his side and says, "Before I
die, I want to become a Roman Catholic."  The son, though he is
horrified, obeys his father, and summons a priest.  The priest
looks at the old man and says "Mr. Moskowitz, I've known you
for forty years, and you have always been a devout Jew.  Why
this?"

The old man answers, "Because too many of our people have died
already."

Ken
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: legislating behaviour
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:21:30 GMT, "(Ruth M. Hanschka)"
 <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU> wrote:
> Is this another flame-bait question Graham, or are you serious.  If serious,
> I'll be in the building tomorrow anyway, and will hunt out the section
> in the church constitution about it.  I used to have a copy around here
> someplace, having helped rewrite a piece of it, but it could have landed
> anywhere.  There may be a separate policy on it not in the constitution
 itself.
> I'm kind of curious myself, actually.  If it doesn't exist, I'll suggest we
> get one written.  Sooner or later we're going to need it anyway, most likely
> sooner.

No, actually - I was serious.  You've convinced me that you don't align
yourself with the extreme right-wing, so I'm interested in what you personally
and your own church would do.  You gave hints earlier that your branch of
the church wouldn't allow gay clergy, and I was wondering if I'd read you
correctly.  My suspicion is that a vicar who came out would be offered
help to cure his sickness, then if he refused would be asked to resign
quietly, and if he refused that would be kicked out.

It's a common event over here.  The Church of England hypocritically turns
a blind eye to gay vicars (of which there are a disproportionately high
number, compared to the general population - I've often wondered if the
extreme stance of some churches on these issues is a case of internalised
homophobia - fear that you might be gay yourself) unless they make a point
of going public, in which case they're kicked out.

Mind you, this is the same church that's been at daggers drawn this month
about ordaining female priests.  They're voting today I believe.  Listening
to some of the arguments from the bible that the anti- faction have been
coming up with has had me in hysterics.  (Mostly they're of the same
style as Ruth's anti-gay quotations -
 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
  But suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the
  man, but to be in silence.")

This is the sort of stuff we've been seeing here in televised Church debates.
'*Chortle*' is all I can say.  (btw How do our female lecturers feel about
being banned from teaching?  Jeez Louise, they'll be banning queers next...)

Can't wait to get home to see how the vote turned out.

G
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Adventures in Democracy
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>> So what's the story ?  Do paper ballots still exist ?  What is the

>I voted with a paper ballot. Of course, it was a machine-readable computer
>scan sheet with bubbles next to the candidates' names.

     I made a little X in each box with my little pen, feeling like
     something out of a Norman Rockwell painting as I did so.

     Carol
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
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>Actually, you're both right in a sense.  Theodore Roosevelt was the
>youngest man ever to become President.  That was upon the death of
>William McKinley in 1901, when TR was a mere 42 years and some months
>old.  John Kennedy was the youngest man ever *elected* President, but
>he was over 43 when he was sworn in.  William Clinton, assuming he
>makes it to his Inauguration, will be the third youngest President,
>and the second youngest man elected to the office.

	Trivially pedantic, I (sorta) disagree.  Roosevelt was probably still
	age 45 when he was re-elected in 1904.  That *was* the first and only
	time he was 'elected to the office,' putting him second behind JFK.

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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      RE: the truth about judith (try no. 2
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Alec said:

B>>Sigh. All right, all right, I'll tell the truth.
A>Good, I like the truth.
>
B>>blomberg cepeda         [THE ABOVE IS A JOKE]
>
A>I was scared for a minute. I thought this might be joke , but
A>you never know.

That was Dear Blommie's attempt to be discreet...after
giving away most (but not ALL) the secrets of our
afternoon tryst...

Love,
dear little me :-)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To Neal and To Brownies
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> You erred, Natalie. You of all people should know that everything happening
> in one's life should be immediately written up and put in the ftp space.

It's just that I haven't had time to grep the archives yet.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:58:21 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      One simple question
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There's something that's been bothering me lately. It seems that whenever
you choose to do something, you are (whether you know it or not) choosing
not to do something else. For example, if I choose to buy a mink coat
today, I may also have just chosen not to be able to pay an emergency
medical bill in the near future.

So my question is: how do you know when a choice isn't going to come back
on you?

-abh
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