From: brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: There it is Re: black posters from SA
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:42:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Nov15.194214.17201
Organization: University of Cape Town
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pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
: In article <1992Nov13.114312.1892@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg) writes:
: >pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
: > 
: >: I talked to my fiends Kaiser Modise and Jabulani Tambo who go the Univer
: >: sity of Cape Town. They tell me it is the most racist place you could
: >: ever go to. A black man had better watch his step or he will be gone.
: >
: >A short call to student records reveals that there are no such students at
: >UCT. Not surprising really when one considers the obvious falsehoods in
: >your posting. I'm actually surprised even you thought people would believe it.
: 
: This vindicates my cautious approach. I think that what is remarkable is not
: my decision to use suedo names in reference to my contacts but the fact that
: you would inform us that you launched a man hunt for them! I feared this and
: you have comfirmed my fears. You have also comfirmed what amny of us have alw
:  ays claimed: that blacks have to watch their steps at UCT. 

You really are being a melodramatic little twit. "Launched a man hunt" -
that really is amusing. I notice you didn't mention that you'd used pseudonyms
in your initial posting - I guess you just forgot?  
 
: Here is a simple question. What is it you wanted to hear from them if you found
: them? I made their views perfectly clear here and if, as claimed (and should be)that black students have the same rights as white students, then you would not
: need to accost them on account of how they utilized their freedom of speech. 
: your actions comfirm that they exercised a right they DO NOT have even though
: you would deny this.


And here is a simple answer - I personally doubt that you do in fact have any
`contacts' at UCT - your lying about their names confirms this. If you were
honestly trying to protect someone you would have admitted that they were 
pseudonyms immediately, instead of only once you had been caught out. 

 
: The last salient point here is a question regarding the extent of your authorityOrdinary students don't have the power to inspect the records of other students.
: Its either you have special authority to examine the activities of others or you
: are closely allied to those who do. Either way you to be feared like a secret 
: police man in my book.

Have you considered obtaining psychiatric help for your paranoia? I shall
attempt to explain the situation to you, despite it being a complete waste of
time. I am an MSc student, I have no extra authority, and UCT does not (to my
knowledge) have its own security branch of campus control. I did not inspect
anyones records - I contacted student records and was informed that the students
you name do not exist. I am quite sure that is the only information they will
furnish without proper authorisation - ie. no addresses, academic records etc. 

 
: One point to consider is the extent of the South African reaction to my revelations. High level authorities were brought in armed with charts to respond to the
: revelations that were made. It is clear that the truth was too true for them...

You really do seem to be getting a bit confused between UCT admin and the 
government - while the government has a rather poor record in the 'dirty tricks'
department, this is not on the list of UCT admin's failings (although it has 
other less serious ones of its own.)

Do you understand what freedom of speech is? It does not include the freedom
to slander individuals and institutions. I personally hope that UCT considers
legal action against you for your blatantly false claims. This is unlikely
though, it not being worthwhile since so few people are likely to believe you
claims. You can rant on as much as you like about people e-mailing you in
support, but there hasn't been one posting here supporting your claims, and your
'fear the authorities' bit hardly works for people outside SA.

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