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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: ESPN-it's about time
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:16:34 GMT

gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes:


>Hopefully, ABC will
>also become part of the package, which would allow of the U.S. to watch
>America's most exciting sport.

I guess you mean, the "most exciting sport played in America"??

>"A National television contract is not a priority of the National Hockey
>League"
>    - The incompetent John Ziegler, who has stated this in different forms on
>      different occasions.

Not meaning to be picky, but shouldn't that be

	"A national television contract in the US is not a priority...."??

That great big country north of PittsbugH (no, not NY State),
has had a national TV contract for some time now.....

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:51:03 GMT

patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>Paul Andrew Platosh <pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>P.S. What do you guys think of the new Whalers uniform - kinda catchy, no?
>
>The original one from '72 -- green and white with a little gold trim
> -- was no slouch, either...:-)

I liked their current uniform, except it's lacking something without
the "happy whale" on the shoulders.

gld
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From: spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: New Rules (was: Re: 3 New rules was 2 New Rules ???)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:44:51 GMT

	The full list of new rules that the NHL Board of Governers voted 
	in (according to the San Jose Mercury News) is:

		1. Game ejection for instigating a fight.
			"As we had hoped, and expected, out of (the)
			debate came a concern and focus that the fans
			belief was very, very strong that truly
			spontaneous fighting isn't the problem in 
			the game," said Gil Stein (acting league
			president). "It's the tactic of sending out
			a person to start a fight.  That's what we
			really want to eliminate."
		2. Helmets are now optional
		3. It will be a penalty to grab an opponents stick
		   as a defensive move.
		4. It will be a penalty to dive intentional to try
		   to draw a penalty on an opposing player.
		5. After coincidental penalties are called during
		   full-strength situations, play will be 4 on 4
		   instead of 5 on 5.
		6. The definition of high sticking was changed from
		   hitting above the shoulder to hitting above the
		   waist.

	The board voted to continue studying the feasibility of NHL
	players participating in the 1994 Olympics.  Brian O'Neill
	resigned as executive vice president.

	I pretty much like all of the new rules.  Don't understand why
	they made helmets optional.  Eliminating grabbing sticks and
	faking for penalties will improve the quality of the play.  
	Playing 4 on 4 definitely opens up the game . . . albeit at
	some disadvantage of close-checking teams vs better skating
	teams.  If they're going to allow no helmets, getting the
	high sticking down further from the head is a good idea.

	Mark
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey demographics in Canada
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:55:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:

> >There was a story on women in sports Monday night on TSN (replay?).  It
> >reported that of 103,000 9-year-old boys registered with the CAHA as hockey
> 		  ^^^^^^^
> >players, only 8000 remained at age 21.
> 
> Does anyone know the figure cited in the story?  103,000 seems way too high f
> a country of Canada's size.

I dunno, Glenn.  103,000 is less than 1% of Canada's male population. 
Considering that at my southern Ontario school hockey participation was near
100%, I could see this figure as within the realm of possibility.

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From: gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Pool Results/Corrections
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:35:21 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Thanks to all who responded to my hockey pool (about 40 people responded.)
The results:

1.  Who will win the Cup?
    (1) Rangers (2) Red WIngs (3) Canadiens (4) Pens
2.  Is the optional helmet rule good for the game?
    Most people said no, about 7 or 8 said yes.
3.  WHo is the second best player in the game?
    (1) Hull (2) Messier (3) Roenick (4) Jagr
    (Some people also wrote that Lemieux is not the best in the game,
and voted     
     for Hull, Gretzky, or Messier as the best.)

Sorry that I did not take a pool of the best player in the game, but I
assumed that everyone thought it was Mario Lemieux (watching him for 8
years can make one biased.)

I also made some stupid errors when writing about Eddie Johnson and the
Pens (as many people have pointed out to me.)  

Tom Barasso was traded for Doug Bodger and Darrin Shannan.
Paul Coffey was traded for Craig SImpson and some other players.

I probably made a mistake by putting Jagr first on the right wing depth
chart.  Eddie Johnson might change the lines up, which would affect the
positioning of the depth chart.  In addition, my dynasty article might
sound to be "simple" and "biased", but the Pens are going to tough to
beat in the playoffs for at least the next two years and have a
legitimate chance of winning 4 Cups in a row.

-Gary
 
 
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Hawks Stuff
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:42:56 GMT

In article oecs7PW00WBOI2LlQs@andrew.cmu.edu, Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>Anna M. writes:
>>>Steve Smith and Stephane Matteau were both signed today to long-term
>contracts
>>>today.
>> 
>>Stan, I tried to email you but I'm not sure it went through.  Can you
>>tell me how old Steve Smith is, and any more details on the contract?
>>Thanks.
>
>I believe Smith is 29 years old and that the contract is for 5 years and
>$4.9 million. I hope Smith and Chelios will be the Hawks defensive core
>for many more years.

Man, I wish I had a copy of the original email I sent to St Anna, but since
all you closet Blackhawks freaks are coming out with the info, you beat
me to it.

Additional info on the Steve Smith contract:

Year 1			$925 000
Year 2&3		$950 000
Year 4			$1 million
Year 5 (option)		$1.1 million

This makes his contract the third-richest package in Hawks history, behind
Chris Chelios and Jeremy Roenick.

What's even more surprising is that the Hawks organization even disclosed the 
terms of the deal. Up until now, the Hawks would never disclose such terms
so as not to let the rest of the league, and the world, know about how little
they paid their hired hands.

All this info's in the _Chicago Tribune_ today, so you can confirm this yourself.



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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey) 
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:17:07 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:


>Canucks' Pat Quinn has been a leading spokesman in the press for this
>rule against premeditated fighting vs. spontaneous, but there are
>still questions for me by using John Ferguson and Bob Probert as my
>standards ...  Fergie could punish a guy with a few good checks for
>beating on Cournoyer, but is that instigation or not when it cycles
>through to fisticuffs?  There will be a grey area that will emerge, I
>fear.  In principle I think that it is fine, getting rid of purposeful
>goonism (supposedly) but letting tough hockey remain.  Actually, in
>the Times' John Kordic piece from last Monday, even Don Cherry is
>against guys who sit on the bench for the only purpose of fighting so
>we know that Cherry can draw the line somewhere reasonable.  I'd say
>give it a try ... my biggest concern is still the referees, and maybe
>the lack of them ...

I think your point about the referees is the key.

My problem with the banishment of instigators is that it will make
the NHL a safe haven for cheap shot artists.

We know the referees are terrible at keeping the cheap shot artists
off the ice. Some guys have perfected the cheap shot -- late hits with
the ref looking the other way, high elbows, trips , kicking, etc.

When a ref is bad and your star player is getting ground up by cheap
shot artists you could always call out the 'enforcer' and send him out
to pound on the CSA. Sure, your enforcer would get 5 minutes, but the
CSA would tone it down in fear of another face pounding.

Now you can't. The era of the policeman is over.

The era of the cheap shot artist now begins.

It's going to be an ugly season!


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From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel)
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:23:02 GMT

In article <Sep03.040044.58615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>Some details:
>
>--25 regular season games (mostly on Fridays)
>--up to 37 playoff games
>--Full Stanley Cup Finals
>--$80 million over 5 years (comprable to $50/3 year with Sports Channel
>   parts of America)
>--Provisions for future network TV coverage
>--First game will be Oct. 6 (Tue.) - Phila. vs. Pitt. (Lindros vs. Lemieux)
>
>Enjoy

I'm not sure that this is a great deal for hockey fans that already get
good coverage. It might be good for places like Tampa or SanJose that
don't have decent coverage. Last year I had great viewing options.
SportsChannel NY gave me NYI, NJ and MSG gave me the Rangers. We also
get HNIC. SOme occasional late games from from SC Chicago and their
wonderful anchor at his wonderful set. A choice of over 10 games a week
and almost every night! wife? child? thesis? my job....? huh? what?
But I only play two nights a week.

I could care less if X million homes in Houston, Miami or Atlanta
now have access to hockey......the sport ain't gonna make it done south!
How many Super Speedways are there in CanadaLand...right. Its a religion
down south...Petty is a diety, the names are Foyt, Earnhardt and Waltrip.
Not Igor, Ivan and Mario. Visit Alabama or Texas and tell me if hockey'
is going to make it there...or Arkansas or Tennessee or Georgia or
South Carolina or Arizona...hey gary!..got any ice there?

Orgeon? Washington? Idaho? The NHL could get better viewing numbers
in Europe on tape delay. Do people in Connecticut even watch ESPN?

....now onto my second cup of coffee
->Lou


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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Krutov goes to Sweden
Summary: Krutov will playing in Ostersund
Keywords: Krutov, Sweden, Ostersund
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:01:16 GMT

You remember Vladimir Krutov? Well, when he left the NHL he went to
play for Zurich in the Swiss league. However, he has now been traded
(for free, actually) to a Swedish team, but not to any of the top teams,
but to...Ostersund!

You never heard of Ostersund, you say? Not surprising. The team is
currently playing in the 3rd division ("division" here in the European
meaning, i.e. "level") although it is a strong contender to promotion.
Even more now, I guess.

The thought of Vladimir Krutov playing road games in Njurunda, Kramfors
and Ange is somewhat bizarre, I must say. Ostersund is probably a nice
city to live in, though.

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:32:49 -0400 
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Devils trade Burke to Hartford
	<1992Aug28.194430.19530@news.columbia.edu>


On 28-Aug-92 in Re: Devils trade Burke to H..
user Gary L Dare@cunixb.cc.co writes:
>clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes in clari.sports.hockey:
>>
>>	EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (UPI) -- The New Jersey Devils traded 
>>goaltender Sean Burke and defenseman Eric Weinrich to the Hartford 
>>Whalers Friday for right wing Bobby Holik and a pair of draft picks.
>...
>>	New Jersey will also receive a second round draft pick in 
>>1993 and a conditional pick in 1994.
> 
>This could be a bummer for Frank Pietrangelo, two NHL starting goalers
>a la Rangers (and this fizzled for the Devils with Tererri and Burke,
>one of the reasons why Sean left in addition to a crummy season) ...
>UNLESS this is what Hartford had in mind with Burke's and Beaker's
>tacit approvals OR if the rumours (wishful thinking) that Pietrangelo
>was "loaned" to the Whalers pending a deal with Tom Barasso.

All indications here in Pittsburgh point to Pietrangelo returning to the
Penguins, which would put him back at #3 goalie without a second Stanley
Cup ring.

Later this week, the Pens will announce that Tom Barrasso has been signed
to a 5 year contract worth 1.3 million $ per year.

There were several other noteworthy items concerning the Penguins in
Sunday's Greensburg (PA) Tribune-Review, but I'll leave them to Lori to
report (unless she didn't see the T-R).

====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
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    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
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From: Ryan.J.Victor@dartmouth.edu (Ryan J. Victor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 2 New Rules ???
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:54:54 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I can't beleive this league. No matter how much I think about it, I
can't justify making helmets optional. This seems to be a case of the
league putting TV interests ahead of the safety of the players and
that, in my opinion, is absolutely inexcusable. The NFL would never
make helmets optional ( yes, I know you can tell who's who by their
position: I'm just trying to make a point). It's ridiculous to say that
the league is going to crack down on high sticking to protect the
players and then turn around and tell them that they don't have to wear
helmets. What have they been smoking?
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Them were the days
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:18:21 GMT

kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes:

>Well, since it is cold today, I am kind of in the hockey mood.  I
>have recently been buying single packs of Parkhurst cards
>whenever I'm in a 7-11.  I noticed that the Redwings have a lot
>of young good talent.

Were they in 7-11 buying cards as well?? :-)

>This thought hit me looking at all the new
>talent on the Wings.  Really think they have a future....look out
>for them...if not this year, soon enough.

Well..clearly Mr. Joffe not only has a great knowledge of
the game, but of hockey talent as well.

Hopefully, we'll be hearing more from him as the year progresses!!

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:05:58 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant) writes:
>hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel) writes:
>|> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>|> >Some details:
>|> >
>|> >--25 regular season games (mostly on Fridays)
>|> >--up to 37 playoff games
>|> >--Full Stanley Cup Finals
>|> 
>|> I'm not sure that this is a great deal for hockey fans that already get
>|> good coverage. It might be good for places like Tampa or SanJose that
>|> don't have decent coverage. Last year I had great viewing options.
>|> SportsChannel NY gave me NYI, NJ and MSG gave me the Rangers. We also
>|> get HNIC. SOme occasional late games from from SC Chicago and ...
>
>SportsChannel was not part of many cable companies' offerings in the
>MidWest. We are glad that ESPN got the NHL back.

Actually for those of you who get SCA on basic or buy the regional pay
SportsChannels, the end of the UPI article mentioned that the NHL and
ESPN will work to bring SCA into the rest of the season ... maybe this
is a bone to Chuck Dolan, SC's president who is buying the balance of
the Islanders not in the hands of the management group, such that SC
can get the rights to the non-ESPN games.  This would be crucial for
the first two rounds of playoffs, as ESPN has traditionally covered
only one playoff game per night (here in NYC, there are two SC's and
all four games (3 if the Rangers are on MSG) are available in some
form -- one focus game on each channel, plus one cutaway/later
finish).  Possibly they might have alternate games to get around
local blackouts, a la baseball?  Let's wait and see ...

gld
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Bruins Mailing List??
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:04:40 GMT

11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:

>Anyone have a Boston Bruins mailing list? I need to be on one to keep
>my faith in the bruins while I starve myself through college.

>If not, should I set one up? :-)

Nope. Randy Coulman of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan moderates a Bruins mailing
list. Even though he's a CanadiAn hockey fan, he's a pretty good guy. 
You can write to him at:							

coulman@skorpio.usask.ca

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From: dwalter@student.UVic.CA (Dan  Walter)
Subject: Re: Fickle Edmonton Fans(Was Re: Damphouse)
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:08:02 GMT

>Not really...Calgary and Edmonton are rather different places...Calgary
>is a white-collar town with significantly more corporate head office
>season ticket money...Edmonton is a blue collar working peoples town...
>Edmonton is a much nicer city to live in...the only advantage Calgary
>having is that it is close to Banff.  There is a good reason why it
>took Edmontonians and Winnipeggers to bring NHL hockey to the
>prairies, and not Calgarians who were forced to play catch up.
>(Flame shields on!)

Edmonton a nicer city than Calgary?  What planet are you from?  I'll take
a chinook every once in a while compared to constant 50 below weather.
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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Are the Oilers leaving Edmonton?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:12:08 GMT


One of the big news stories on the local sports news: Edmonton is having
troubles selling season tickets. To date, they have a season ticket
base of only 9000. (Last year, they had about 12000 sold.) They have
basically said that if they don't sell enough tickets, they will have
to move the team.

The main reason given for people who don't renew their subscription
was financial; people just don't have the money any more. Some 
other possible reasons: People are sick and tired of Owner Peter
Pocklington, fans are annoyed with all the player trades/greed,
fans don't like recent changes in the game (clamp-down on fighting,
etc.)

According to the newscast, other teams are having similar problems
selling season tickets (most notably, Hartford and Washington).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Them were the days
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:59:37 GMT

kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes:

>In article <92Aug31.151807edt.112@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:

>>Well..clearly Mr. Joffe not only has a great knowledge of
>>the game, but of hockey talent as well.
>>
>>Hopefully, we'll be hearing more from him as the year progresses!!
>>

Geez....I wish I received a few "insults" like this! :-)

>  Second, if you are picking on my writing style, sorry, I guess
>I should have written my ideas down beforehand, and thus
>presented my ideas in a coherent well written sentence.  Yes, I
>see your point, ...being struck with the young talent on the
>Wings due to my noticing of their young talent.

Ken...you miss my point entirely. My point was that you, unlike
most, accurately identified that the Wings are loaded with young
talent. This is something I've discussed frequently with people
on this net, but I don't think I convinced them. 

People like Primeau, Kozlov, Sillinger, LaPointe and Kennedy are
hardly household names but I think they'll all be playing regularly
this season. 

> But judging my
>hockey knowledge from sentence structure is unsportsmanlike. 

I was doing nothing of the sort. I was juding it by the content!
It was a sincere compliment.

Calm down! 

Brian Down. (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)