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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: memories of baseball
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:21:29 EDT

     For memories of games I've witnessed in person, these are the best,
in reverse order:
 
     1. Lemke scoring the winning run in Game 4 of last year's World
Series.
     2. Justice scoring the winning run of Game 3 off Lemke's single.
The whole game was better than Game 4 because it went three innings longer.
     3. It may seem strange that my favorite baseball memory is a Braves
loss, but the entire 19-inning game between us and the Mets on July 4-5,
1985 has to be at the top.  There were at least two rain delays, and then
the game went into extras.  Most people had left but my dad, my two brothers
and I stuck it out for the whole thing.  I remember a couple was sitting
in the row in front of us and after the Mets scored two in the top of
the 14th, the guy said something like "let's win it or lose it now; just
get it overwith;" to which I responded (having overheard this), "Better to
tie it up than lose it!"  Sure enough, Terry Harper hit a 2-run homer
and the game kept going and going and going...Anyway, Rick Camp was pitch-
ing the top of the 18th and an error of his allowed a run to score.  We
had no pinch-hitters left, so when the first two batters of ours got out
Camp had to hit.  Now Camp had something like an .054 lifetime batting
and had never hit a homerun, but he must have been determined to redeem
himself because he took a huge swing and...I'll never forget the flight
of that ball as it sailed out to left field and over the fence.
     Well, the Mets struck for 5 the next inning and Camp struck out
swinging with two out and himself the tying run to end the game, but that
Camp homer has to be my favorite baseball memory.
 
Jeff Caveney
 
P.S. Is there anyone else out there who stayed for the whole game?  There
could only have been a few thousand people left in the park.  Oh, and I
forgot to mention the time.  I think it was the longest game time ever
including rain delays and not counting suspended games.  The game ended
at around 4 in the morning.  Then they shot off fireworks as promised
(July 4, remember) and yes, we stayed for the fireworks.  What a way to
spend an evening/night!
From: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Interleague-play, anyone??
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:07:29 GMT
Reply-To: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>In the latest Sports Illustrated baseball issue, there is an interesting
>article on ways to improve the game. One of the suggestions was interleague
>play. IMHO, it may not be a bad idea. For one thing it would put an end to
>this debate of the N.L vs A.L because we really would be seeing how they play
>against each other. There would also be more "superstar matchups" that you
>don't quite see or see very little of in the All-Star game. You would be able
>
>to see two teams in the same city/state/area play each other (White Sox-Cubs,
>Yanks-Mets, Royals-Cards, etc.) and the rivalry would be good for baseball,the
>fans wouldn't have to wait for the year that BOTH teams are good enough for the
>
>Series.You can see how Al hitters fare vs. NL pitching, what an Nl hitter woul
>
>do in an AL stadium etc.,etc, etc...the possibilities are endless.
>The only thing about it is that it might take away from the World Series.
>I would just like to throw this idea out to everyone. Is it a good idea or a
>bad one?
>

  One of the things that makes major league baseball unique is the 2
totally diverse leagues. I think the continuous agruements of which
league is better are good for the game. I even like the fact that one
league has the DH and one doesn't. I t tends to keep the 2 leagues even
more diverse. I think it lends a special mystery to both the World Series
and the All-Star game. No other sport has an All-Star game that comes
off as such a major event. This is because of the rivalry between the leagues.
If you start interleague play, that will all die. The World Series has
a sense of mystery partly because you can't go back and see how the
teams did head to head during the season. You really have no idea until
you actually see game 1.
  Can baseball be improved? Probably, but I don't think interleague
play will do it. I think it would hurt. Those AL vs. NL arguements are
part of the rich tradition of baseball. It's just one of the things
that makes it unique. Find a way to fill the major leagues with talented
players that play first because they love the game and secondly to make
a very good living. Give us baseball players that are baseball players
first and millionaire businessmen second. That's the only area I see
need for drastic improvement in baseball. Other than that, leave it
alone. It ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

K. Scott Day   (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
Bethesda, Maryland

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From: dmeier@bashful.helios.nd.edu (daniel meier)
Subject: Re: What's up with the Rangers?
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:15:42 GMT

In article <texdude.702882715@cs1.bradley.edu> texdude@cs1.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) writes:
>Ok, the Season Opener was normal.  The Rangers won, but only by out-
>hitting the Mariners.  The bullpen almost blew the game in the last two 
>innings, but the Rangers just managed to pull through (like a lot of
>last year's games).  But these past three games are scaring me.
>
>Ranger pitching has given up two runs in the past three games.  And
>they're still hitting a ton.  Has hell frozen over?
>
>I know that three good starts does not make a good pitching rotation,
>but what if the Rangers *do* have decent pitching this year?
>

If the Rangers *do* have decent pitching this year, they will win it all.
I don't know what the score was in the final game, and I know that three
games don't make a season, but they have already scored over 20 runs this
season.  Their offense is still there.

By the way, how did Sierra do in the opening series, and how many of the R
Rangers hit Home runs?
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Camden Yards... where is it?
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:13:52 GMT
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY

Sometime in May I will be attempting to go to Baltimore to see the Birds
in their new park.  I thought this would be interesting and a friend
pulled a "few strings" and was able to get good seats (he called them
good seats, I have no idea where they are).  Anyway, we would be going
from the DC area.  Can someone from the Balt-DC area tell me how to get
to the ballpark via public transportation?  I've been told that there is
a commuter rail service that can be taken from Union Station (my friend
lives right by a Metro station so getting to Union Station is easy).

Please e-mail so we don't waste net.bandwidth for those uninterested.

THANKS!!

scott
-- 
scott barman			| Mets 4, Cards 2 (in 10) - Bobby Bonilla 2 HR!
scott@asd.com			|      The Torborg era begins 1-0.
				|            LET'S GO METS!
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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From: rjs@home.merit.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Subject: Re: Comments on rec.sport.baseball.roto
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.  Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:20:00 GMT

In article <14APR199210134986@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
>Here are comments received to date on rec.sport.baseball.roto.
>
>**********************************************************************
>
>From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
>
>	What would really be useful is to get a mailing list together
>to do stats. I would love to have a copy of the USA TODAY's stats 
>electronically available every week. In that way, I could write my own
>sorting program and cut the time of doing stats a great deal. The other
>option is to pay some stat service to do this.
>
>	What I propose is to gather some people together (say about 25 
>or so) who are interested in one league's stats and their job would
>be to type in ALL the stats from the Wednesday USA TODAY and send a copy
>off to other people in the list. If the group was this big then you would
>have to perform this ugly task only once for the year.
>

I download the al and nl stats from the USA Today database each week. 
I could post them, (though the file is large) or mail them to someone
who could make them available anonymously. If there is interest, please
mail...

			Rob
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From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball - The 'ME' SPORT (was Re: Bobby Bonilla)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:37:15 GMT
 <1992Apr15.165641.24003@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr15.165641.24003@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
 epstein@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In <204958@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

>>In article <4200274@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> 
krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:

>>>I know that once it goes to pay-per-view, which I think is getting closer, 

>>Then you aren't thinking very hard.  How much would anyone pay to see a game
>>on TV, when they could see it in person for under $10?  Commercial baseball
>>is *lucrative*; just not as lucrative as CBS thought it was going to be.

>Gee, how lucrative can it be when they only show 1-2 dozen games a
>year. 

CBS gets to advertise its fall lineup all through the postseason.  That
seems to be worth a lot to them.  Sat. PM national games are not as
lucrative, evidently.

Local free/cable TV is VERY lucrative in many markets.  Look at the deal
the Yankees have.  Look what the Mets get.  Look at the fact that all
three superstations offer baseball almost every day during the season,
and that one of them carries TWO teams.  Baseball is the backbone of
their schedule.

> How is ESPN doing with their return on the baseball games?

Also losing some money, they say.  But the last two words of that
sentence are the operative ones; we'll see the truth at contract time.

In any case, they have no problem selling to advertisers.  Beer and cars
are here to stay.

Roger
From: rjh@andante.att.com (Robert Holt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least valuable players
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:54:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&t bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <1992Apr14.183336.22400@Princeton.EDU> roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>In article <204882@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.122338.9116@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
>>
>>>>   Lynn Jones, OF DET
>>
>>>>      A backup outfielder his entire 8 year career.  How did he last that
>>>>   long?  One of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield.  
>>
>>>My memory of Jones was that he was an excellent outfielder.  He spent his
>>>entire career as a defensive replacement guy, and had no defensive
>>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>>What sort of formula do they use to figure defensive value?  It sure doesn't
>>>look reasonable to me.
>
>>If I'm not mistaken, the earlier edition of _TB_ used games played at the
>>position as the normalizing factor, thereby trashing the stats of players
>>who consistently played less than 9 innings in games in which they appeared.

Actually  TB I  was somewhat smarter than that.  It assumed the innings
played for all players of a team at one position were in proportion
to the putouts they recorded.  Of course this has the obvious
drawback that players with more putouts per inning were "charged"
with more innings played than they should have been.  TB II  goes
overboard in the other direction.  Lynn Jones wound up
with +8 fielding runs in the latter volume.
These ratings could only be useful in comparing full time players
who rarely miss any innings in a game.
>
>>The second edition has made the shift (I believe) to Defensive Equivalent
>>Games, based on innings played.
>
>No.  They didn't have all the data for that, I'm sure.
>
>So, ....drumroll.... they used PLATE APPEARANCES.  (In TB II, that is,
>and with the characteristic Palmer approach of explaining the change but
>not discussing it, i.e., not letting on that there might be weaknesses.
>
>Look up Al Weis.
>
>TB's fielding stats are hopelessly screwy, depending the way they do on
>DP to such a large extent.

They also depend on errors too much.  IMHO errors should be
thrown out entirely.  Also they weight assists twice as much as
putouts for 2B, SS, 3B on the grounds that assists require more
skill on the average.  I don't believe that "assist factor" should
be the same for all those positions.  And they're absolutely
clueless when it comes to cathcers.  About the only good feature
about TB's fielding runs is that they are adjusted for pitcher's
strikeouts, something which raw range factor doesn't do.

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From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: San Francisco Giants GIF Wanted
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:21:48 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

Does anyone know where I can find a GIF with the San Francisco Giants logo?
Please e-mail or post if you have any pertinent info.  Thank you!!


Teebu Philip
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Hell has frozen over.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:13:14 EDT

In article <3s5thka@rpi.edu>
billoj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeremy Louis Billones) writes:
 
>
>According to the USA Today...
>
>Joe Carter's consecutive game streak was snapped at ~500.  The current
>#2 player in MLB, at about 215 games is... Cecil Fielder.
 
Damn.  This would have made a great trivia question.
 
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: klund@guajillo.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:23:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr15.102351.950

In article <167C9CAF8.CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>  writes:
>      ON A RELATED NOTE, it seems I've been taking some serious shit on
> the net for saying what I did -- I've been called fucking nuts, for
> example, and then there are the people who consider "class" a factor in
> determining how good a ballplayer is.  Well, change "class" to "race"  
and
> you'd capture the opinion of a lot of anti-Rickey, pro-Ryan people...not
> that I'm accusing anyone on the net of being racist, but you bet there
> were a lot of racist Americans who just loved it when the press deified
> Ryan and vilified Rickey.

I really can't believe this!  If this is a RELATED NOTE and you aren't  
accusing anyone on the net of being racist -- Why the hell do you mention  
it when comparing Rickey and Ryan as players?!?  Do you really have to  
bring up race?  Don't try to mess with the issue and bring unrelated  
topics in.

Kevin L
  
> Jeff Caveney
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Oh No..
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:53:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego



aaaarghh.. just when I thought the SD Padres had made sure that
no 'expert' picked them to win the NLWest, I had to see two of
them pick SD on one show. 

Anybody catch Bill 'whats with the beard' James on ESPN yesterday
night. Both he and that other guy (forget his name) picked SD. 
Could both of you please jump off the band-wagon, thank you.

BTW, James seemed very distracted to me during the interview. He
avoided answering questions, looked around when answering few, and
generally looked like he didnt want to be there in the first place.



__________________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                         |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@bhaskara.ucsd.edu |
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From: exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets Romp in '92 laffer
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:43:44 GMT
Reply-To: exurln@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr8.175002.15187@b11.ingr.com>, craig@jido.b11.ingr.com (Craig Presson) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr7.030451.1@wharton.upenn.edu> chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
|> 
|>    Date: 7 Apr 92 08:04:51 GMT
|> 
|> You're just about a week late.
|> 
|>    The NL East is all but clinched by the NY Mets.  They are so dominating
|>    that they will clinch the division by the All-Star Break-which won't even be
|>    a break for a lot of them, because they will all be playing in the  All
|>    Star game.

If that is true then I would rather watch Geraldo, a Barbara Walters special
and that special rerun of the Partidge Family Christmas show.  Better start making
plans.

|>    mighty Metropolitans. [amusing rant deleted]
|> Ah, yes, the ones that got bullwhipped by the Cardinals last night,
|> NINE to TWO?
|> 

And again last night, what was it THIRTEEN TO SEVEN.  It was THIRTEEN TO THREE
before McClure, who thought the game was over, pitched an inning of batting
practice just to make sure that they really could hit the ball.

Now I think I better duck quickly because the Mets are currently ahead
7-0 in the fourth game of the series.  Still, not bad - a split against
the greatest team that has ever played or ever will play the game, those
perennial all-stars, those future hall of famers  - NOT !

Reality check complete.  All systems functioning normally.  We now return
you to your regualar programming.

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From: curry@acsu.buffalo.edu (Bud)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Gary Carter
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:09:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr10.200924.2072
Organization: UB




Could someone please Email me what is up with Gary Carter
I am a long time fan am I am dying to know what he is doing.


curry@acsu.buffalo.edu
v096p89l@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
v096p89l@ubvms.bitnet 



	thanks in advance
-- 
lictor came up with this on Fri Apr 10 15:50:21 EDT 1992
You should never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for
freedom and liberty.
		-- Henrick Ibson
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Today's Birthdays
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:14:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays, April 10
Ross Youngs, 1897
Bob Watson, 1946
Ken Griffey, Sr., 1950
Frank "Yankee Killer" Lary, 1930
Lee Lacy, 1948
Cliff Bolton, 1907
Joe Gibbon, 1936
Eric King, 1964
Mike Devereaux, 1963
Dodger Stadium, 1962
Veterans Stadium (Phila.), 1971
Royals Stadium, 1973

-Steve
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 12:39:32 EDT
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Falcons Ready for Deion leaving


As a Falcons fan and a Braves fanatic, let me put my 2 cents in..

1) Deion can make more money as a very good baseball player than as a great
football player

2) His career will probably last longer in baseball (ask Bo)

3) The Falcons saw this coming.  Last year they traded for All-Pro cornerback
Tim McKyer, then used their first round pick (#4 overall I think) to draft
cornerback Carl Pickens from Tennessee, considered the best cornerback in
last years draft.  The Falcons first two draft day moves were for
   cornerbacks, I think they see Deion playing baseball permanently
-------
========================================================================
  Mark Rieker   MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu   Go Atlanta Braves!
                                       1991 National League Champions!!
  We are Penn State

 "I'm not like this because I'm in college, I'm in college because I'm
  like this"
From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:22:46 GMT
Subject: Rotisserie opening in Silicon Valley
Organization: OCD IC MFG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

The Silicon Gulch Rotisserie, founded in 1984 and switched to NL ULTRA in
1989, may have an immediate opening for an interested player or players to 
assume ownership of an existing team.  We will at least be looking for
expansion owners for the 1993 season.

We would prefer someone with prior Rotisserie experience as the league is
fairly competitive but will consider someone with good baseball knowledge.
We play by standard Ultra Rotisserie rules with a few minor wrinkles but
for one-fith the recommended salaries and fees ($52 vs $260, although
we bid in by-the-book units, for consistency with the book and other
Rotisserie discussions).

Our auction will be held Saturday April 11th.  Please reply if interested.

Howard Lynch
hl@hpocia.sj.hp.com
From: klund@chipotle.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:22:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr13.102202.835

In article <1992Apr12.191928.25525@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>  writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.213136.19361@midway.uchicago.edu>  
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >In article <1992Apr12.210321.28874@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
> >>
> >Unfortunately, this was NOT a no-hitter under the new "improved" rules.   
Since
> >the home team (Indians) did not have to bat in the bottom of the ninth,  
Young
> >only pitched eight innings.  Not enough to qualify as a no-hitter any  
more.
> >
> >Personally, I think this stinks.
> >
> I think this stinks personally - and IMpersonally!

You bet this stinks!  I only found out about the rule last night.  How  
about this - officially, you get credit for a complete game, don't give up  
any hits, but it's not a complete game?  He's being penalized for pitching  
for the visiting team!

Wow, brilliant rule.

Kevin L
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Today's Birthdays
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:25:44 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays, April 15
Willie Davis, 1940
Ted Sizemore, 1946
Ed Bailey, 1931
Eddie Mayo, 1910
Ed Abbaticchio, 1877
Mike Diaz, 1960
Baltimore Memorial Stadium, 1954 RIP
Montreal Olympic Stadium, 1977

Also:
First Major League West Coast Game, 1958
	Giants 8, Dodgers 0 at Seals Stadium
Jackie Robinson's Major League Debut, 1947
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