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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F3000 and Cig and Alcohol Ads
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:24:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

A.H. Henry (mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> FISA have decided, to cancel the 1994 F3000 series.  It will be
> replaced with a series which will be cheaper, with regulations to be
> published in March '93.  March and Reynard aren't very happy about
> this, as it won't help the second-hand value of their recently 
> announced 1993 F3000 cars.  Given the proposed reduction in costs, 
> this may result in a control chassis or a production-based engine.
> 

Yes, the new series sounds a bit dull... either the new Cosworth 6 cylinder
3l engine or something similar from General Motors.  At some point drivers
on the learning curve will need to play with a real, difficult, tempramental
racing engine and as far as I can see F3000 is the place for it...

Perhaps it's time for Britain to go it alone in F2 -- since our F2/F3000
series is really more of a national thing than a stepping stone to anything
else perhaps we should come up with some rules that are appropriate to the
national circumstances -- i.e. relatively cheap and straightforward, and
allowing lots of engineering talent to show itself, and above all bloody
spectacular so that the crowds regard it as interesting. Let's have something
like the F5000 of old, with (say) 3.9 or 4.2l Rover V8s, the new TVR AJP8, 
maybe the odd American or Oz-sourced V8, and a class for F3000-powered cars. 
Allow old F3000 chassis in, but also encourage people to do something new... 
now, wonder what a hillclimbing Pilbeam MP58 fitted with a TVR AJP8 would 
be like round Silverstone!?

Come to think of it, it's time to get F3 in shape as well. How about BTCC
engine regs with similar chassis to the existing ones? Should give them a good 
deal more horsepower and make the usual thrashing around Thruxton a bit more
interesting... and it might create some more technical interest in the
formula. I _like_ the idea of Renault, Toyota, Ford, BMW, etc. etc. all
competing in single-seaters as well as touring cars. 

And who knows, with the current vacuum in sports car racing it might be fun to 
try a class like the Group 6 of old as well -- bearing in mind the immense 
popularity of Historic Gp6 and the lack of support for ProSport 3000 in this 
country it's obvious that people want to see real sportscar racing and not the 
modern version -- how do BTCC-engined spyders sound to people out
there? Three series with similar engine requirements could pull a lot of
manufacturer interest into the sport, and would generate a lot of work for the
engine builders out there.

just a few thoughts... it's obvious that _something_ needs to be done in
British motor sport, and getting the formulae right would seem to be a
start. 

Pete
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From: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter)
Subject: Re: '93 Indycar TV schedule
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:52:28 GMT

I've added in the left margin my best guess as to live or taped:

In article <BzotL6.8yI@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>* All times listed are Eastern
>** Air dates and times subject to change
>
T >March 21 - Australia - ABC - 2-4pm
L >April 4 - Phoenix - ABC - 4-6pm
L >April 18 - Long Beach - ABC - 4-6pm
>May 15/16 - Indy Qualifying - ABC/ESPN - (no time)
>May 22/23 - Indy Qualifying - ABC/ESPN - (no time)
L >May 30 - Indy - ABC - 11am-3:30pm
L >June 6 - Milwaukee - ABC - 1-3pm

hmmm....  1PM eastern. means noon central. Ought to be interesting, as
West Allis, WI city ordinance bans the running of race engines before
noon on a sunday, so nearby Churches won't be disturbed. Oh, I forgot,
Wally D IS a god..... never mind...

T >June 13 - Belle Isle - ABC - 3-5:30pm
L >June 27 - Portland - ESPN - 4-6:30pm
L >July 11 - Cleveland - ABC - 1:30-3:30pm
T >July 18 - Toronto - ABC - 4-6pm
L >August 1 - Michigan - ABC - 2-5pm
T >August 8 - Loudon - ESPN - 3:30-5:30pm
L >August 22 - Road America - ESPN - 2-4:30pm
T >August 30 - Vancouver, BC - ESPN - 9-11pm
L >September 12 - Mid-Ohio - ESPN - 1-3:30pm
T >September 20 - Pocono - ESPN - 9-11pm
T >October 3 - Laguna Seca - ESPN - 9-11pm

By my count, thats 9 live and 7 taped. And they usually end up tape
delaying more races than they originally plan on.

And, in the other important scoreboard, ABC is doing 9 races and ESPN is
doing 7.  Oh, joy. ABC gets to screw up more races. That means more sam
posey. Also, more importantly, no reruns of the race in case of VCR
screwup, etc....

Lets see how much lower TV coverage of IndyCars gets in 1993....


While we're on the topic, was I the only one irritated by the WoO race
at Manzanita this past weekend: 1) features are shorter 2) they
checkered it early anyways because of time. Who ever heard of a short
track timed race?????  Besides, all they need to do to speed things up
is change the rule to: cause one yellow and you're done for the race.
There are more yellows at manzanita than any other outlaws race...  I
have seen several WoO features go flag to flag green, but not one at
manzanita.....


				Kevin


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From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:31:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Racers vs Race Fans
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

What a great idea! Talking about racing rather than the "did not" "did,
too:" stuff that's often posted. I'm not a racer but I am a marshal (in
Nova Scotia, Canada - I only access this net through Toronto).

NBob.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: uhdcs@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Prost x Hill (Was Re: Williams F1)
Reply-To: uhdcs@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:41:39 GMT

In article <9212161848.AA10852@sumatra.dcs.gla.ac.uk>, roberto@dcs.gla.ac.uk (roberto) writes:
>Chris Prael (chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM) writes:

>Even though I think this may be possible, I find it very unlikely to happen. 
>In F1, being fast does not guarantee anything. Given their experiences are 
>the two extremes, I don't think Hill has much chance. 

	
>I believe Hill has a chance of getting a couple of pole positions and might even 
>win his first GP, but IMHO it is very unlikely that he will win frequently. 
>
>If the williams team manages to be as dominant as this year, you may bet 
>that the 93 championship will be even more boring than this years'. 
>I desperately hope this doesn't happen!
>
>Roberto Barros
From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna drives a Penske
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:14:33 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

A small note in this morning's newspaper said that Ayrton Senna drove a 1992
Penske-Chevy at Firebird Raceway this weekend. A Penske spokesman/person
said that Senna was there as a guest of Emerson Fittipaldi, and that there
were no plans for Senna to drive in IndyCars next year. You can believe that
statement or not - personally I don't believe Penske would turn Senna away if
he wanted to drive.

Jeff
From: skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Re: Racers vs Race Fans
Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:38:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA
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In article <1992Dec30.074633.26920@cbnews.cb.att.com> jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota) writes:

>Wheel to Wheel mailing list
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These addresses will work _much_ better if you include the domain,
which would look like abingdon.eng.sun.com. This might've worked a
while back, but probably won't nowadays as Sun's network has kind of
grown... 

So please add in the .eng if you would like to get in touch with
wheeltowheel. 

Happy new year. Yours for less bounce messages to process,

-skod

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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Tests at Le Castellet
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:34:02 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

These are the times from the Motoring News:

Hill		Williams	1m 03.60s Sun   
Prost		Williams	1m 04.13s Sun   
Lehto		Sauber		1m 04.23s Sun   
Wendlinger	Sauber		1m 04.48s Sun   
Alliot		Larrousse	1m 04.57s Sat * 
Schumacher	Benetton	1m 05.12s Sun   
Blundell	McLaren Honda	1m 05.13s Sun   
Andretti	McLaren Honda	1m 05.17s Sun   
Warwick		Footwork	1m 05.31s Sun **
Herbert		Lotus		1m 05.41s Sun **
Patrese		Benetton	1m 05.63s Sat
Suzuki		Footwork	1m 05.91s Sun
Belmondo	Larrousse	1m 06.02s Sat
Barrichello	Jordan		1m 06.26s Sun
Zanardi		Benetton	1m 06.35s Fri

[* = 1993 tyres with 1992 wings,  ** = overall 1992 specification]
The 1992 tyres were C compounds (soft), the 1993 tyres were B's (hard).
No cars had any logos for tobacco brands.  Patrese had a couple
of black eyes and a broken nose from a "football match".

Autosport reckons that Rover won't bankroll the Hart V10 for 
Jordan.  The quote from the Rover press spokesman was "I think 
some people put eight and eight together and made 19."

Jordi Gene has signed for the Bravo F1 team.  Michael Bartels
deal with Pacific GP has been agreed but just needs his
signature.  Mark Blundell has signed for Ligier. Katayama
has left Larrousse and taken his Cabin sponsorship to Tyrrell.

Bravo may merge with another team for next year.  March and
Larrousse have been rumoured as possible partners.

The holding company for the Kyalami circuit is in liquidation
but the race is still due to go ahead.

Frank Williams described Ayrton Senna's phone calls during the
season as "verbal terrorism" !


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: breland@mcc.com (Mark Breland)
Subject: Re: Winston Cup tickets
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: breland@mcc.com
Organization: MCC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:22:39 GMT

Many thanks to Ken Miller, Kevin Quinlan, and Bill Stoffel for their
speedy responses to my information request.  For those others interested,
I include a summary below:


NASCAR offices     (904) 253-0611
NASCAR ticket info (904) 253-7223  (primarily for Daytona)

WINSTON CUP SCENE     (45 issues/year)
P.O. BOX 500
CONCORD, NC 28026
(704) 786-7132

ESPN
ESPN Plaza
Bristol, CT 06010
(203) 585-2000

Winston Cup Track Directory
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Atlanta International Raceway
PO Box 500
Hampton, GA  30228
(404) 946-4211

Bristol International Raceway
PO Box 3966
Bristol, TN  37620
(615) 764-1161

Charlotte Motor Speedway
PO Box 600
Concord, NC  28026
(704) 455-3200

Darlington International Raceway
PO Box 500
Darlington, SC  29532
(803) 393-4041

Daytona International Speedway
PO Drawer S
Daytona Beach, FL  32015
(904) 253-6711

Dover Downs International Speedway
PO Box 843
Dover, DE  19901
(302) 674-4600

Martinsville Speedway
PO Box 3311
Martinsville, VA  24112
(703) 956-3151

Michigan International Speedway
12626 U.S. 12
Brooklyn, MI  49230
(517) 592-6671

North Carolina Motor Speedway
PO Box 500
Rockingham, NC  28379
(919) 582-2861

North Wilkesboro Speedway
PO Box 337
North Wilkesboro, NC  28659
(919) 667-6663

Phoenix International Raceway
PO Box 13088
Phoenix, AZ  85002
(602) 252-3833

Pocono International Raceway
PO Box 500
Long Pond, PA  18334
(717) 646-2300

Richmond International Raceway
PO Box 9257
Richmond, VA  23227
(804) 329-6796

Sears Point International Raceway
Highways 37 & 121
Sonoma, CA  95476
(707) 938-8448

Talladega Superspeedway
PO Box 777
Talladega, AL  35160
(205) 362-2261 or 362-9064

Watkins Glen International Circuit
1 Baron Steuben Place
Corning, NY  14831
(607) 974-7162

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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: I'm off for a while...
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:56:57 GMT

Well, having read r.a.s for four years, it's time for a holiday -
so I'm going to England to buy a brand new mini. If I can I'll
take in the European GP at Donington too. 

It's been fun, and I may be back someday. Take care guys,

regards,
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From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Subject: Re: Jules Goux Indy 500 win.
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.021950.18129@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> unglenie@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:
>Russell Jaslow writes:
>>I believe it was Jules Goux in 1913.  That was the driver who downed a 
>>glass of champagne (French of course) at every pit stop for a total of 7
>>on the day. 
>
>The frenchman Goux is the first non-US born driver to win the 500.  However,
>the amount he drank is in dispute.  I've read in some old Clymer's that it was
>seven BOTTLES that Goux and his mechanic drank.  Every now and then, you
>can find an empty champagne bottle for sale at nostalgia shows that is
>said to be one of Goux's.....
>
>What is not in dispute is that the Peugeot team interpreter was arguing with
>race officials that it was a common thing at European events!  Goux spoke
>no english so couldn't defend himself.
>
>And unless you count the finish, Goux only made six stops during the race.
>
Since I always enjoy a conversation on the history of racing, I will
continue this thread.  Rob U. is right.  How can we both be right?  It's
a matter of historical interpretation.  When I first heard about Goux's
victory and drinking, it was always mentioned that he drank bottles.
Later, historians starting thinking, that no matter how well someone can
handle alcohol, that much drinking would have to affect his driving.
Research showed it may have been glasses instead.  The only picture I've
seen is Goux holding a glass, but there was a bottle nearby.  He was in the
car in the pits, but it could have been after the race.  Or maybe he was
just being more civilized about his drinking.

Yes, he drank (glasses or bottles) 7 times.
I was counting the finish.  Goux made six stops and then the victory drink.

Thanks for the info on what the officials were doing.  I always wondered
what the reaction of the officials were, or if they even knew what was
happening (remember, in those days, it was not uncommon for drivers to
leave their car during a pit stop - which could take up to 10 minutes -
and go to the bathroom, refresh themeselves, whatever).

Let's have some more historical conversations (not just quizes -  which are
also enjoyable), especially during the off season.
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From: jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota)
Subject: Re: Re: Racers vs Race Fans
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:46:33 GMT

In article <78560035@teecs.UUCP> smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith) writes:
>What a great idea! Talking about racing rather than the "did not" "did,
>too:" stuff that's often posted. I'm not a racer but I am a marshal (in
>Nova Scotia, Canada - I only access this net through Toronto).
>
>Bob.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but the reason you don't see
any Racers' postings here it that the Racers have long given up on this 
group (rec.autos.sport.fan.discussion) and formed their own mailing lists
(To keep out the riff-raff, or at least keep them quiet).  The Racers can
 be reached at	:)

Wheel to Wheel mailing list

   Moderator     : banta@abingdon.sun.com (Andy Banta)
   Administration: wheeltowheel-request@abingdon.sun.com
   Postings      : wheeltowheel@abingdon.sun.com

I hope the address is still correct.  I don't race but I enjoy reading their
race weekend reports.  I get mail from them all the time, but since I never
post I haven't paid attention to the email address and I don't know if I 
this info is still current.  There is also an autocross mailing list and I
believe one other competition oriented mailing list.

If you join Wheel to Wheel don't you dare post Indy Car, NASCAR, or F1 stuff
there unless of course you are a participant.

					Jeff
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: F3000 and Cig and Alcohol Ads
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:45:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <724940647.15195@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>           [  .   .   .   .   .   .  ]                   Let's have something
>like the F5000 of old, with (say) 3.9 or 4.2l Rover V8s, the new TVR AJP8, 
>maybe the odd American or Oz-sourced V8, and a class for F3000-powered cars. 

If this 'Rover' engine is a derivative of the one used in the Rover 3500, you
would already have an American-sourced engine; that was a Buick powerplant.
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Blundell to Ligier
Date: 26 Dec 1992 22:02:45 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
Summary: Mark Blundell signs with Ligier for '93 F1 season
Keywords: Blundell Ligier
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1

I read today in our local newspaper (so it may be old news) that
Mark Blundell has almost signed to drive with the Ligier F1 team
in '93.  They said "almost" because there are some contractual (sp ?)
things to sort out with his test-driver job at McLaren.

Blundell drove the winning Peugeot 905 sportscar at Le Mans this year,
along with Derrick Warrick and Yannick Dalmas.

They didn't say who the other driver will be/is.  I reckon it will be
Erik Comas.

Doigman.
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From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Flame! (Re: senna in indycars)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:18:57 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <BzM451.C1L@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dp54@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Rob Silcher) writes:
>In article <38076@cbmvax.commodore.com> bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking) writes:
>>>Stupid?  Try accurate.  How many cars will Senna punt intentionally this
>>>year?
>>
>>Well, if he drives in F1, the only cars that he might want to punt
>>will be the ones he'll be unable to catch <g>.  If he tries it at Indy
>>he'll likely acquire some major injuries for his efforts (either from
>>the crash or from the beating given him by the team members - his, as
>>well as others'.)
>
>I seem to remember a few drivers that punted other cars off at Indy and other
>Cart races last year.  However I don't recall anyone 'beating' on anyone else.
>
>Specifically, Danny Sullivan took out Al Jr. in a road course to take a win.
>Little Al's response 'that's racing'.
>
>I think any driver is more likely to be attacked in F1 than in Indy for punting
>someone out of a race.  Indy drivers tend to be much more forgiving. Except 
>maybe Mario ;)

You missed the point (and the :)). In this case "punting" refers to
_intentional_ punting.  Senna admitted to _intentionally_ punting Prost
off the track.  I suspect that the Indy folks, while more forgiving of
run-of-the-mill driver errors, would be far less amused by anything done
intentionally.  Senna has far more political clout in F1 than he would
ever have in Indycars, so those who got in his way would be far more
likely to take him up on it.

>Rob Silcher dp54@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca

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From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Rally stuff and schools
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:00:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.110749.13264@bsu-ucs>, 00kavanhorn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>	I would appreciate any information on magazines or books that deal 
>specifically with rally racing and or any rally driving schools in either 
>Europe or the U.S. Any and all information Irecieve would be greatly 
>appreciated.
Magazines:   Rally Magazine 15 E. Washington St.,  Rutland, VT 05701

Books - contact Classic Motorbooks, 1-800-826-6600

Ric Golen

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: boo@athena.mit.edu (Christopher J Foley)
Subject: MAZDA RX7: should I buy a used one??
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:17:34 GMT

My first post to Rec autossport.

Well, I'm looking to buy a used mazda RX7, in the 81-84 years, probably.

Do any of you own one?
is there an RX7 frequently asked questions list?
they have them on rec.motorcylces

when did the body style change? i've seen 4 different type RX7s on the
road, not counting the 93.

what are the pitfalls of buying a used RX7? 

what should I check for?

Kid Oreo

'89 EX 500
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Who is the first non-US driver to win the Indy championship?
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:31:06 GMT

In article <9212211710.AA13334@sumatra.dcs.gla.ac.uk>, roberto@dcs.gla.ac.uk
(roberto) writes:
|> I take the opportunity to ask a question to these Indy historians as well.
|> Is Fittipaldi the first non-US driver to win the Indy championship?
|> If not, who was the first?

Didn't "diminutive Italian" Teo Fabi win the CART championship in 1983
driving the Skoal-Bandit March-Cosworth 83C for Forsythe Racing?
(Even if he did, he may not have been the first one, though.)

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