HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Chris Bigenwald)
Subject: Re: Discount on Northwave Sails...
Reply-To: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.windsurfing
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:42:30 GMT

rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>As a comparison, I had 6 Northwaves (3 Slaloms, 3 Tri-lites) custom
>made in March 1991 at 20% off the retail price.  The cost was
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>$2235.00.  This years comparable quiver at the same discount would be
 ^^^^^^^^^
>$2685.60.  That reflects an increase of 20% in the price of Northwave
>sails this year.
>
Holy [expletive deleted]!!!!  You must be quite wealthy or have an
understanding spouse (or both).  I hope this isn't an annual purchase. I have
a hard time explaining why I need to buy a third (cheap) sail.

----------------------------------------------
Chris J. Bigenwald
Rochester Institute of Technology
Computer Science graduate student & windsurfer
cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
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From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: 1991 Tiga 260 Slalom $475 SOLD
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:01:03 GMT

>Bay area. Thing is fast & jiby. Fair price.
Gone, duuudes. Missed your chance !
Cheers, Henrik

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan)
Subject:  Andrew
Organization: nasa-jsc
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:18:32 GMT


This hurricane has been good for nothing.  It's moving too fast and it's
winds dont extend out enough for any good sailing the days before the
hurricane hits, and the winds are too strong during it.  The last three
hurricanes that came by here have been very good for sailing, but it
doesn't appear that we'll get any good wind here in Galveston.  I don't
ask for hurricanes, but if one is near I at least would like to get some
good wave sailing in.  It seems that the only thing this storm wants to
do is destroy.
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:38:48 GMT
Subject: Re: NORTH FLEXTOP TRADE, NORTH 6.0 FOR SALE
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> Alex Olender
> Software Engineer		"To shred or not to shred..."

				That's no question!

				The question is whether to shred *today*!



Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com

    ... whether 'tis nobler in the mind to bear the breaks and tears
    of outrageous sailing or to dump off this mangled gear.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: creutz@cco.caltech.edu (Michael John Creutz)
Subject: the Gorge 
Summary: is it a myth?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:19:24 GMT


After getting my daughter set up in her apartment at Reed, I went
out for my first try sailing the famous Gorge Monday and yesterday.  

Monday with a 6.0 M^2 I was slightly overpowered in the gusts, 
while yesterday with a 7.0 was only occasionally powered up.  
Despite the mediocre conditions, it is a beautiful spot to sail, 
with nice views of Mt. Hood from the Washington side.

I rented from the Rhonda Smith windsurfing center and recommend them.
They allow unlimited sail and board changes (even if I had no need
for changes in these conditions) and the $35 half day price includes
everything.  Her launch site is a bit tricky, but is away from 
the crowds at the main Hood River beach and the staff is very helpful.
The attached gorge cafe has good hamburgers and Full Sail Amber on tap.

It is interesting how much conditions differ with only a slight
change in position along the river (really a lake made from 
a raped river); the hatchery is in sight of Hood river and 
people were doing fine on 5.5 to 6.0 sails yesterday.  I counted
70 boards out there; quite a contrast to the big days here on LI
when I see at most 10.

I found the Moss River campground in the National Forest about 5
miles north of the river quite attractive and very lightly used.

After an exhausting  red eye flight home, I'm looking forward to the forcast 
storm on LI for tomorrow (despite the address above, thats where
I actually am).  Our SSE storm winds are what dreams are made of.

Mike
From: geoff@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Geoff Caras)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: maui packages
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:51:11 GMT

From article <31AUG92.11002755@wums.wustl.edu>, by hortin_lab@wums.wustl.edu:
> My wife and i are considering a windsurfing package in maui.  Thinking of using either "windsurfing vacations" or "vela". i would like to pose two questions to the "net":
> 
> is there any pit falls i should know about(equipt., accomidations, hassle, etc)
> or any recomendations out there?
> 
> what should i expect for wind and weather paterns?
> 
> thanks in advance.
> e-mail or post is fine.
> 
> tag
I have used vella twice on trips to Maui. Both time we have had good luck. The
equipment was top notch. The car usually is an econobox -- ask for air conditioning
which is usually extra. Depending on you expertise... I am a terminal intermediate,
and I love to sail at the airport -- I think its called kanaha.

Tailwinds,

Geoff Caras
igneous@netcom.com         voice - 408.475.8194              FAX - 408.475.8193
The Igneous Group          Software Project Management   Design   Documentation
                           1744 Foster Court     Santa Cruz, CA      95062-1741
From: wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Equipment Maintenance
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:04:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6730


About this time of year it seems that a lot of my evenings are taken up by
equipment maintenance.  One of my fiberglass boards is on the rack with two
footstrap plugs pulled out and I just finished a new fin box on the other
board.

Last weekend I noticed that as I flipped the sail during my jibes, there was
a funny sound coming from the mastbase.  I went to shore and took the 
mastbase from the board.  When I tried to move the cup, it had lots of 
sideways movement.

Upon taking it apart I found that the original hole which was a little over
1/4 inch was now at least 3 times that large.  The cup was sliding back and
forth each time I jibed and eating away the aluminum around the hole.

In my junk bag, I found a plastic shoulder washer which I installed.  The
shoulder portion of the washer seemed to fill the hole so that there was
no more sideways slop in the cup.  

The mastbase and mastbase extension seem to need a lot of attention.  I am 
using 3 bases and 4 extensions and I still have to cut off the bottom on one 
or two extensions each year because they flair out from jumping.  The mastbase 
also seem to get loose and need maintenance very often.  

Do all high wind sailors have this type of problems?  If I had to guess on
the list of high maintenance items that are due to wear not abuse it would be
as follows:  

    1.  Harness lines
    2.  Mastbase
    3.  Mastbase extension
    4.  Boom grip
    5.  Wetsuit repair
    6.  Sail stitching repair

    Do any of you have some tricks to make this repair business easier?
but not Andrew thank goodness.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Swimming back with your gear
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:25:56 GMT

In article <2A9C199E.14308@ics.uci.edu>
kramer@hermes.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer) writes:
 
>bruce writes:
>>  >anchor.  A wind blowing you into a towering seawall with an incoming
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  >tide might make you think of dumping also.  Use your judgement and
>>  >adrenaline level.
>
>>  This happened to me and I eventually abandoned my rig, I'd tried to de-
>>  rig but fully battened sails don't help so I re-rigged and said goodbye
>>  to it.
>
>Did you consider saying goodbye to your battens? Okay so they are not
>the cheapest items (what is in this sport?) but at least you could
>save the rest.
>
>David
 
Maybe I am missing something...if its that simple, why not just stick the
battens up the luff sleave of the sail.  They may fall out, but it doesn't
seem that likely to me if you jam them in thin end first.  This should only
take a small fraction of a minute.
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:27:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing (pretty long)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I know people that have lost boards and rigs in the middle of the SF
Bay on big days when the universal broke.  They couldn't swim to
their boards even without a vest (hard to find a board in 4 ft
swells or when the sail lands on top and it takes off down wind).

If this happened to me and I had to swim several miles to shore AND
I thought that my vest was hindering my progress, I could always
take it off as it has quick release buckles and swim in. IF I thought
I'd have to spend the night on the Bay, I'd probably keep my vest and
use it as a pillow.

I agree with Will.  Wearing a vest is safer except in the surf and
wearing one or not is a choice I won't argue with.

Kirk out
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From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:04:47 GMT

In article <thompson.714847579@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
>EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>
>>>I am curious however, having never worn a life jacket while windsurfing,
>>>what is there and what do people use?
>
>>I looked for three things in choosing a PFD:
>>    1.  That is was comfortable to wear...no chafing anywhere,
>>    2.  That is was short enough and thin enough so I could see my
>>harness hook and so that the PFD doesn't interfere with the hook, and
>>    3.  That it had the official US Coast Guard stamp (so that the same
>>PFD will serve me when the law requires me to have one.)
>
>I have found that PFD's designed for performance canoeing satisfy
>these three criteria well.  They are also fairly inexpensive.  They
>don't look so cool, but now that I have kids and not much hair that
>doesn't seem to matter as much as it used to.
>
>I don't find the arguments that wetsuit+harness = enough flotation to
>be true for me.  I got bonked on the head once by another guy's mast.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I was pretty glad I had a real PFD on then.  Freak accidents do happen
>and a PFD might save your life.
>
I nearly always wear a helmet, it provides thermal protection, physical
protection and IMHO is more comfortable than a neoprene hood. With a helmet
on the arguement for the need for a PFD in case you are knocked unconsious
becomes less important. I find my wetsuit provides a lot of bouyancy and
can't imagine what it would have been like to swim out of most of the
situations I've been in with a lifejacket on. I've got a kid & less hair too,
but basically I wouldn't wear a PFD windsurfing unless it was to make someone
else feel more comfortable (ie my son or partner).

Bruce


Bruce Spedding
Materials Science and Performance
Industrial Research Ltd,     Fax: +64-4-569-0132
P.O.Box 31310,              Work: +64-4-569-0485
Lower Hutt,  ( NZST : +12 ) Home: +64-4-562-8522
New Zealand.  Internet: srgxnbs@grv.grace.cri.nz
From: lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd Wieman;685-3751;63-356;LP=A;P0HG)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Drysuit Repair (Was: Re: Drysuit recommendations?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:56:40 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.

In article <1992Aug31.142905.80738@kronos.com>, dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll) writes:
|> Has anyone ever put a new zipper on a drysuit? Is it worth the time and effort
|> it will take? Any real problems with attempting this? Where would you get such
|> a zipper?
|> 
|> -dan@kronos.com

I had a zipper replaced on my O'neal Oasis.  It cost something like $80.
I sent it to O'neal's repair shop somewhere in the San Francisco Bay area.
I have heard that the cost is not much more than the cost of just buying
the zipper.  I don't have the adress or number of the repair place anymore.
I got it from a shop that sells O'neal.

The dry suit was in good shape when the zipper broke so it was well worth
replacing.  They did an excellent job and there was no indication that it 
had even been replaced (except it didn't come open out in the middle of the 
river any more :-)).  I think I damaged the zipper trying to zip it myself.
Since then I have given up on being self reliant and I always ask someone to
zip me up.  When I zipped it myself it twisted the zipper and I think that was
what damaged it.

Lynd
From: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sailing Right-Of-Way
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:27:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.24481
Reply-To: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

in racing, you have to notify your competition for mast abeam, buoy
room, obstruction, or if youur going to protest him.  port starbord
is not one of the cases in the rules where you have to notify your comp
if you are on starboard. it's assumed that the guy on port will always
be watching where he is going. however, when one assumes...
for overtaking, coast guard inland rules say that the vessel going faster
is overtaking the slower vessel if the faster vessel is 2 poiu(oops)
2 points (22.5 degrees) aft or more of the slower vessels beam. if the
vessel is forward of the 2 points position, then crossing rules apply.
(for windsurfing, this would be port starboard, windward lleeward).
also, tacking or gybing boats have no rights until they are completed
their manuever. (my 2 cents)
rob
From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Report
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:00:24 GMT
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

In article <jadn9cl.westes@netcom.com>, westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
|> 
|> In article <3839@wyse.wyse.com>, jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
|> |> In the parking lot, we had a discussion about what a great season it's been.
|> |> Surprisingly I found myself in the minority who thought it had been a great season.
|> |> The rest thought it sucked.
|> 
|> Really?  I don't know how others feel, but I think this was the best
|> season in the last three years.  

I also agree with you. I thought we had some very windy days this year
(most wind some people had seen in the last 5 years). I ended up having to
buy a 4.0 sail and used it 4 times this year (I am 6'3", 190lbs). I didn't
have the need for it last year.

Last year we had about 2 month in the middle of the summer where there was
no wind what so ever (at least in the crissy/coyote/3rd ave region). I
think this year was a lot more consistant too.

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From: jackg@bears.ucsb.edu (Jack Greenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Swimming back with your gear
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:54:32 GMT
Reply-To: jackg@ece.ucsb.edu
Organization: /usr4/research/jackg/.organization
In-reply-to: mohanram@wsl.dec.com's message of 25 Aug 92 15:32:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.083219@wsl.dec.com> mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram) writes:
   From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
   Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
   Date: 25 Aug 92 15:32:19 GMT
   Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)

   Yesturday after swimming for an hour at cyote, I was wondering what was the
   best way to swim your equipment back. The wind died about 3/4 mile out, and 
   I was faced with a long swim.
[...]
   I was also told that dumping your rig when you are really in trouble will
   help. At what time do you determine it is time to dump your rig?

The thing to look out for, especially in the cold ocean, is hypothermia.
Basically it is the condition where your body tempature is too low to
maintain itself.  You can die if you do not receive help, even after
getting out of the water.

If you notice any symptoms, like starting to panic, or your head
becomming fuzzy (even simple decisions becoming hard to make), then it's
time to save yourself and not your gear. Another symptom of hypothermia
is shivering.  If you're in the water and can't stop shaking from cold
then you are in real trouble.

Can someone provide a better discussion of hypothermia and first aid for
it? I'd hate to recommend something innapropriate. It is probably the
biggest hazard and easiest way to die when your gear breaks down. 

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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:51:20 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Aug21.182039.22736@engage.pko.dec.com>, stu@otop23.oto.dec.com (Stuart MacKay) writes:
|> 
|> I am curious however, having never worn a life jacket while windsurfing,
|> what is there and what do people use?

 I have used a very modest buoyancy-aid which was called a "float coat".
It was made by Hi-jumpers (now out of business?) and was pretty
comfortable & unobtrusive. I imagine it's still possible to get
something similar- it was like a thick neoprene vest with foam padding
& cut pretty snug. I doubt it would meet any safety regulations- these
are mostly set up for small boat users who's requirements are somewhat
different. Depending on who you are trying to satisfy you might find
an inflatable lifejacket (ie no permanent buoyancy) a good solution-
naturally it would be useless in a head-dinging wipeout but it would
do a reasonable job of keeping you afloat if you lost your gear.
 Bear in mind that a real lifejacket is impossible to swim in properly
so it is almost certainly more dangerous for windsurfing than relying
on your wetsuit & harness.

	W.
 
-- 
VitSea 292, Tiga Slalom, Baxter 270 wave and half a Fanatic Bee,
6.2 Topsail 5.1/4.6 Tushinghams 4.2 sShokwave & half a Gaastra 3.2 :-)
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From: moc@bnl.gov (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: lifejacket
Reply-To: moc@bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:54:55 GMT

	Does anybody know of a windsurfing helmet that will fit over a wetsuit
hood?  I've tried Xtra Large Protec helmets but they are not large enough 
to fit over a hood.  Since most of my 4.0 sailing requires a hood, I've been 
reluctant to buy a helmet.  How are the helmets with the adjustable ear protectors,
I've forgotten the brand name. 

Mike O'Connor    moc@bnl.gov                             
Brookhaven National Laboratory           
Long Island NY
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:22:42 GMT

>
>I am curious however, having never worn a life jacket while windsurfing,
>what is there and what do people use?
>
>Having seen recently numerous recomendations and rationalizations surrounding
>the use of helmets, I can only assume that these same saftey concience
>individuals would wear associated floatation devices, correct?
>
I looked for three things in choosing a PFD:
    1.  That is was comfortable to wear...no chafing anywhere,
    2.  That is was short enough and thin enough so I could see my
harness hook and so that the PFD doesn't interfere with the hook, and
    3.  That it had the official US Coast Guard stamp (so that the same
PFD will serve me when the law requires me to have one.)
 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: colas@capa.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Winds in SW France (Atlantic) ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:33:32 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <?.714935340@tazdevil>, henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
writes:
|> Hm. Golfe du Lion: Brutal Beach (the name is right), 

thats SouthEast (mediterranea). Atlantic is a WHOLE different picture...
SE means high "nuclear" winds, not powerful waves... say no to 5.0...
SW means light fickles winds, but with wonderful waves, or awful storms (big
gnarly waves, but definitely no fun!)

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: North Booms
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:37:14 GMT

In article <BtxG37.92E@vcd.hp.com> carlt@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (carl thomsen) writes:
>When I bought the replacement front-end the salesman claimed that North had made
>an improvement in the design (interior ribs) to prevent the failure.
>
>Almost coming up on one year for the new front-end so we shall see.

A friend of mine broke his North boom (HD) after about a year of sailing.
The front end and extension tube broke almost simultaneously. The tubes
with the grip were intact. He got replacement parts directly from North
even without a receipt. (It was slightly over a year, so a receipt would
only have complicated the matter...)

The new extension tubes and back end are different from the old
ones. It seems that they made them stronger this year.

I don't know if they have changed the front end.

I haven't had any problems with my North boom, but I'm light and the
boom is new, so it's not really surprising. I'm happy with my boom;
the design is very easy to use and it stays where I put it without
damaging the mast.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alex@igor.tamri.com (Alex Olender)
Subject: NORTH FLEXTOP TRADE, NORTH 6.0 FOR SALE
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:20:04 GMT

I've got two 220cm yellow flex top masts halves and I would like to trade one
for a 200cm length, any takers?

Also I've got a great condition 1988 Norht Race Speed TCC 6.0 sail, excellent
shape,  3 cambers, no monofilm, low miles for just $100

contact Alex at (415)861-1993, 875-3433 or alex@igor.tamri.com

Later
-- 
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Alex Olender
Software Engineer		"To shred or not to shred..."
Toshiba America MRI, Inc.
From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Ecstasy back footstrap twisting problem
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:33:55 GMT
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

Well, some time ago I was asking the net what was the best way to prevent
the back footstrap on the Mistral Ecstasy board from twisting. This is a
problem because the strap only has 1 screw on each side. The Ecstacy is
not the only board with that feature/problem.

Some people recommended those pastic grips that prevent the strap from
stwisting (which would require longer screws thought).

Well, I ended up adding another small screw in the pastic mold where the
footstrap screws goes, between the existing 2 holes (not in the actual
board).

BAD IDEA ! 

turns out the plastic mold is hallow between the 2 screw holes, which I
only noticed once one of the screw came off while I was windsurfing !
This would have otherwise been a good idea since it was only adding a
hole to the pastic holder, not the board.

Just wanted to warn other people on the net, and prevent them the same
error....

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