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From: donm@cs.UAlberta.CA (Don Murray)
Subject: Re: Narrow Boat and Computer.
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:19:54 GMT

joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.151828.4852@cm.cf.ac.uk> Andrew.Stratton@cm.cf.ac.uk (Andrew F Stratton) writes:
>>I am considering buying a narrow boat as a home (while I do a PhD), but I
>>am concerned that my PC clone wouldn't be up to it.  Any comments (good
>>or bad)?
>>

>I have always found that PC don't really hold very well in eel grass, I 
>would recommend either a Bruce or a Danforth. :-)


>Seriously I don't understand your question.  What are your concerns?

>	The PC won't fit in a narrow boat?

I believe the question is:  since the marine environment is harsh on
electronics, will the humidity / sea air turn the insides of a non-industrial
pc into slag.  At least this is my interpretation.  

I have considered buying a live-aboard too, and this was one of my concerns.
Please let me know any responses you get, Andy.

Don Murray

From: Laughlin.Hughes@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: 30' Sailboat info...
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:15:00 -0800

This message was from MAURICE DORAN to ALL,
originally in conference Design_S2S
and was forwarded to you by LAUGHLIN HUGHES.
                    -------------------------
I am thinking of moving up from my current Catalina 25 to a larger
racer\cruiser in the 28-30' range.  Since I haven't had the chance to sail
on any 30 footer (yet),  I would appreciate hearing from anyone with one
of the following boats:

Catalina 28 & 30, CS 30, C&C 29 & 30, Express 30, Hunter 28 & 30,
S2-30(aft cockpit), Sirius 28.

I'm looking for information such as model year, performance, incidence of
osmosis, engine reliability, storage capacity and liveability, etc...

Also, please leave me a message if you are interested in acquiring a 25'
racer\cruiser or trading down from one of the above.  I will send you a
complete information package either by mail, fax or modem.

Thank you,

Maurice Doran
*************

 * WinQwk 1.30 #0 * Unregistered Evaluation Copy
 * OLX 2.2 * Catch the wave...o......o......o......o......o..


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:05:44 GMT

Stefan Michalowski writes:

	Ole Swang writes:

		Robert Hagens writes:

			A simple question for all of you: If you buy a 
			used boat, and want to change the name, is this 
			bad luck?

		No, no. But it can be a problem to get the old lettering 
		off. Good hints, anyone? 

	The sticky tape is a real problem. With time, it gets baked on 
	and almost impossible to remove. 

Hardware stores sell Stuff designed just for this purpose. It's designed
for bumper stickers, old parking stickers, &c. You have to take the letters
off, the Stuff will then remove the goo - hardened or not. We removed
THE GREEN MACHINE (Ugh!) from our Freedom and replaced it with FELIX. As
Stef says, there may be a shadow of the old name left, but if you label
over the old area its not likely to show. If the situation is as bad as
Stef says his is, then its time to repaint.

							Fido on FELIX
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Winter Boat Storage 
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:05:09 GMT

Hal Lynch writes:

	Now that the boating season is almost over and snow season is 
	on the way just what do all you people who can't store your boat 
	inside do?  

Well, here in San Francisco Bay we break out our light-air spinnakers
and drifters and Keep On Sailing!

Starboard!

Francis  Muir
FELIX
Freedom 21
Port of Redwood City
CA USA
From: bonnet@prl.dec.com (Christophe Bonnet)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Single-handed race this year?
Keywords: racing sail boats
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:58:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory

In article <37492@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, stramm@cs.ucsd.edu (Bernd Stramm) writes:
> Hi everyone.
> Does anyone know what, if anything, happened to the single handed
> transatlantic race this year?
> 
> 	Bernd.
> 
> Bernd Stramm		| stramm%cs@ucsd.edu  or  stramm@cs.ucsd.edu
> CSE Department		| bstramm@ucsd.bitnet
> UC San Diego		| {who-can-tell}!ucsd!beowulf!stramm

 Well, sure I do.. It was won by the french sailor Loic Peyron, on the
"Fujicolor II" (the former Mike Birch's boat). I'll give a full report tomorrow
(I've to check my "voiles et voiliers" collection before to assert anything
else).

 Other news in open races : Bruno Peyron (Loic's brother) is now (since the
beginning of august) the recordman of the single-handed New York - Lizard Head
(Great-Britain) trip. And, last night, Laurent Bourgnon won the Quebec -
Saint-Malo transatlantic race in 8 days and something, followed by Florence
Arthaud.


Christophe.

ps : I know, I know, my english is dire... Sorry !
From: goodwin@huey.udel.edu (Thomas Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bayliner Boats (& Doelfins)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:22:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Sep3.172252.12517
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Aug24.111247.42525@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.074408.12723@hemlock.cray.com>, peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling) writes:
>>> > 
>> My question is, if Bayliner (owned by U.S. Marine, a subdivision of Brunswick)
>> is considered by some as a low-end manufacturer, how do other boat makers such
>> as Maxum (also owned by U.S. Marine, a subdivision of Brunswick) fit into the
>> picture as far as the quality of their products is concerned ?  I believe that
>> Maxum claims to use hand-laid fiberglass, and use Perko parts throughout their
>> boats.  Do the Maxum's hold up better than the Bayliner's ?  Is this kind of 
>> like the difference between a Cheverolet and a Cadillac ?  How about other boat
>> makers which are owned by a common parent company (Genmar, etc) ?

Yes and isn't Sea Ray now owned by Bayliner.

There is a good article on boat buying in this months Boating magazine.
It explains what to look for when buying a boat by going into the details
of how quality boats are constructed.  There opinion is that the newer
chopper guns do as good of a job as hand laid fiberglass.

Tom
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Coast Guard AUXILLARY information!
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:04:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <65265@cup.portal.com> Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner) writes:
>Would Anyone have information on joining the coast guard auxillary in north
>america? Does anyone have a listing of flotilla's?.
> 
>Phil


Call the nearest Coast Guard station, ask for the chief, or officer
of the day, and tell them that you want to get in touch with a USCGAUX
Flotilla Commander in your area.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bjames@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Around the world books
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:05:02 GMT



Re: Posting from Minh:

>I'm looking for some books relating to around the world voyages made
>by contemporary individuals.  I'm curious about the preparations that
>go into such trips ( mental, physical, materials etc ).  Activities to
>keep one's sanity.

I am a big fan of these books; have no desire to attempt such a trip 
myself, but love reading such tales while safely within sight of 
shore.  I enjoyed Naomi James' book and several of David Lewis's.  A 
recent book by an Australian woman, _Maiden Voyage_ is quite a model 
of what can be done with superb shore support and the finest in 
communication systems.

The story of a middle-aged Canadian man who  gave up the ratrace and 
took to the ocean in a Nonsuch intriqued me, but I can recall neither 
his name or the title.

>Your recommendations are appreciated.  BTW, I once noticed an autobiography
>about an 18 yrs old girl making such journey in a 26' sail boat a couple of 
>years ago.  However I don't remember the exact title or the name of the 
>individual.

This one is my favourite.  An incredible undertaking for so young an 
individual, the story is all  the more remarkable for the casual way 
she faced some amazing challenges - the ocean, her personal 
relationships, the deficiencies of a boat of such dimensions.  I was  
especially impressed  at the lack of whining.  Some of the famous 
names take pains to let you know how they suffered, what heroic deads 
they performed, how very brave they were.  She is apt to report that 
winds blew force 8 for a week, but the boat covered quite a distance in 
that time.  The writer is Tania Abei (sp?), but I can't think of the 
name of the book.  She wrote a series of articles for Cruising World 
while she was sailing and has been featured in a recent issue again.

BTW, I read another book by a very young sailor, a young man.  The 
title was _Dove_ and it was fine until he got religious.


Bonnie James
St. John's, Newfoundland          bjames@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: kverruyt@nl.oracle.com (Kees Verruyt)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: What's the difference between Loran and Decca
Keywords: Loran, Decca
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:49:20 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

I'm thinking of buying either a LORAN or DECCA position finder since they've
become quite affordable under GPS-pressure.

Requirements of what I want to do with it:

- Sailing in Dutch inland (Ijsselmeer) and coastal waters.
- has to be able to transmit NMEA-0183 data for my Autohelm tiller-pilot.

So can anybody tell me (1) what is the fundamental difference between DECCA
and LORAN; (2) what brand/type would you recommend?

How about the "cheapest" sets such as the Navstar 1000 dinghy ? Any experience ?
(Cheapest sets here in Holland would be about DFL 800-1000, UK# 300-350, 
US$ 500-700 (at current ridiculously low exchange rates))

I've read all the magazines on the capabilities on GPS-sets. Although it sounds
great, I think I'll wait for another year or two before buying one.

I've used a DECCA set once on a rental and it kept losing track. How is that
nowadays? 

If anyone has a second-hand set for sale, I'd be interested (depending on what
advice I get!)


I'll post a resume of my findings if anyone is interested.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Software Engineer Gateway development   3454 PV  DE MEERN
Oracle Europe                           The Netherlands
Email: kverruyt@nl.oracle.com           Tel: +31 3406 94886
   or: kverruyt@oracle.nl               Fax: +31 3406 65603
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Depth Sounders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.213940.4798@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes...
>I am in the market for a depth sounder for my sailboat.  I have noticed
>Is there reason *NOT* to use a fishfinder type with a transom mount on
>my boat

I have an old Seafarer neon-and-motor unit, and a somewhat newer Apelco LCD 
graphic unit in a GRP sailboat. The Seafarer came with a through-hull type 
transducer and a kit to mount it inside on a GRP hull, with acoustic matching 
oil in a platic pipe, which I use. The Apelco came with a transom mount 
transducer; a through-hull could be had for more money. I have had a
'temporary' arrangement for the last 4 years whereby the transducer is stuck
to the hull with axle grease. It works just fine, though it probably reads
slightly high and not so well on port tack, as it is on the port quarter
pointing somewhat to port of vertical. It doesn't have a log or water
temperature sensor, so I don't miss any functionality. There is probably a 
loss in range compared to immersion, but it will work to over 100 fthm for a
hard bottom.  Aesthetically, I don't want to bolt junk on the outside of the
hull, and besides, my transom doesn't meet the water. 

My Apelco would probably show fish, but it is monochrome so doesn't highlight 
them like the colour ones do. I really liked the graphic display; it's easy 
to distinguish the real bottom from false returns, fish, etc. I don't know 
how one would trust a digital-only display. 

A.Daviel, ALASTOR
From: sheardc@rdsunx.crd.ge.com (David C. Shear)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hobie Cat Repair Question:  Installing a new traveller car
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:01:47 GMT
Reply-To: sheardc@rdsunx.crd.ge.com (David C. Shear)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Aug26.192428.21141@icd.teradyne.com>,
burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki) writes:
|>This past weekend, the slide on the bottom of my main traveller car on my 
|>Hobie 16 got destroyed. When it happened, the car got jammed in the
track and 
|>I had to pull real hard to get it to move. When it did move, the whole car 
|>came right out of the track.
|>
|>I called New Hampshire Hobie Cat and ordered a new slide (heavy duty black
|>plastic with metal rollers). They said that in order to re-install the
car, I 
|>had to drill out 2 rivets so that I could slide the car back into the
track.  
|>
|>My question is this: Which 2 rivets? Either it's 2 of the rivets holding 
|>the rear crossbar to the corner casting or it's the 2 rivets on the
end of the 
|>traveller track that hold the track to the crossbar.
|>
|>Does anyone out there have any experience in installing new traveller
cars on 
|>Hobies?
|>-- 
|>Mike Burzycki                             burzycki@sky.dnet.teradyne.com
                 
Remove the 2 rivets from either end of the track, next to the casting.
Lift the track to clear the rear casting and slide out the broken
traveler. Place the new traveller in place and rerivet the track down
(the difficult part). The rivets are stainless steel(very hard/strong)
and you need a large rivet gun to accomplish this. The dealer should
have the gun to do this. With an electric drill, a sharp drill of proper
size, the correct rivets and large rivet gun, this job takes about 1/2
hours. Good luck.

========================================================================
===========
Dave Shear	H18	Sail# 10/31	"Halloween"
From: drake@think.com (Chris Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sunbird "Neptune 17" product review
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:44:12 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com
Summary: Boat


Now that I have used it for two weekends, I thought that I would
send out a product review on my boat.

Boat: '92 Sunbird "Neptune 17" Center console, (17.0 LOA, 6'10'' beam)
Motor: '92 Johnson 70HP outboard with power trim/tilt
Trailer: Sunbird galvinized bunk type with bearing buddies
Weight: boat, motor = 1600 lbs.

I have been using the boat on the Narraganset Bay in RI primarily
for bluefishing.  The boat has an excellent hull.  It is stable,
and smooth in seas up to 3.5 feet.  This is a "V" hull type boat.
It draws about 6 inches of water at the transom. At the bow, they
flaired it out enough that you really have to be pounding the
waves in order to get any spray. The deck is well layed out.  There
is enough room on both sides of the console to walk by even while
playing a fish.  There are a couple of modifications though that
I had to make;

1. The grab rail that goes around the windshield will slap the widshield
when I'm pounding the waves.  Adding some foam pipe insulation on the
grab rail in choice spots fixed this.  

2. The grab rail that wraps around the windshield was pulling out.
This was because it was held on with wood screws.  I replaced them
with brass nuts and bolts and all is well.

3. The side door on the console would flap open when pounding the
waves. This was fixed by putting a latch on it.

4. The gas gauge goes from 3/4 of a tank to 1/4 of a tank, thats it.
I will solve this problem later.  The boat has a 29 gal. tank so
running out of gas would be hard to do in one day.

As for the motor, the only problem so far is that it will foul it's
plugs durring sustained trolling.  I'm going to look into swapping
out the low speed jets for some that will lean out the fuel, (ie:
smaller jets).  The 70HP is more than enough motor.  The hull is 
rated for 90HP but it would be a rare moment when you could use
it at all on the bay.

No problems with the power tilt this is a must option if you trailer
your boat.  Sunbird gives you a trim gauge so as to fine tune your
set-up while plaining out.

The trailer works great. For a boat of this size, I think that the
bunks are more forgiving and easier to use.  I use a Mustang GT,
(5.0L V8) to pull the boat.  I have no problems on the cement
ramp that I use, even at low tide.

All in all, I am very pleased with my purchase, ( glad I did'nt
but the Bayliner....just kidding ;) .  The whole package,
(boat, motor, trailer, coast guard kit, mooring cover) cost
$10,300.  Relevent to what I saw new and used this looked like
the best deal going.  All that I need now is a fishfinder, 
(though finding bluefish in the bay this time of year is a
no-brainer).

That all for now,

From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:48:53 GMT
Subject: Re: streching a tarp (was Re: re: Winter Boat Storage)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett) writes:

    I saw a clever arrangement once:  A sailboat stored like this, except
    that the tarp was not tied down to the cradle.  Instead, weights were
    hung (gallon plastic milk jugs filled with water) from the eyelets
    along each side of the tarp.  The tarp was probably tied somewhere (to

What a great idea!  I think I'll try it this year.  It might even
solve my snow collecting/melting/forming great pools/freezing in huge
chunks problem.

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Jib furling systems
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:05:36 GMT

David Zielke writes:

	Again, the large boat (25' and up) furling systems normally have the
	headstay inside the extrusion removing the problems of systems which 
	are run on a seperate wire of their own.

And one of the smallest ones, the Schaeffer 100, good for baots to 19', uses
the job's own luff wire to revolve around. This is the set-up I'm considering
for FELIX, my Freedom 21. I intend getting Mike at Peninsula Canvas make the
sail, and I dare say he'll take it into account that it will be a furling sail.
A 100 sq ft sail is not a high cost ite; at least not to my specs!

						Fido

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Depth Sounders
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:39:40 GMT

I am in the market for a depth sounder for my sailboat.  I have noticed
that those simple ones marketed for sailboats cost more than the lower
cost fishfinders with speed and log functions.  I also fish from my boat
so the fish function would be of some use.
Is there reason *NOT* to use a fishfinder type with a transom mount on
my boat
What are the experiences out there?
John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Depth Sounders
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:21:20 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <1992Aug27.213940.4798@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I am in the market for a depth sounder for my sailboat.  I have noticed
>that those simple ones marketed for sailboats cost more than the lower
>cost fishfinders with speed and log functions.  I also fish from my boat
>so the fish function would be of some use.
>Is there reason *NOT* to use a fishfinder type with a transom mount on
>my boat
>What are the experiences out there?
>John

The only problem i see with a transom mount depth sounder, is that it measures
the depth of the bottom which you have just passed over.. Much like the QEII
you might find out that there is a big hump that your boat will not clear,
as your hull is being ground into the bottom....

IT does show the bottom clearly, and you can tell when the bottom is getting
too close for comfort at which time I guess you take your foot off the sails
and slam it into reverse :)

For fish finding purposes, many prefer a bow mounted transducer.. often mounted
on the front mounted trolling motor. Many boats glass the transducer into the
bottom of the boat or "SHOOT THROUGH" the hull.

Tight Lines.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
{									      }
{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
{									      }
{									      }
{ PS: email: fishman@tracker.webo.dg.com .or. mike_fishman@DGC.ceo.dg.com     }

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon)
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:33:43 GMT

In article <184ti1INN1fk@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.021622.28298@mdd.comm.mot.com> zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) writes:
> Speed != immaturity
> 
> As long as a person handles a fast boat SAFELY, then you should
> have no problem with it. For the most part, you won't even see
> my boat when it is at speed, because I don't haul butt around
> other boats.
> 
> One can be an immature jackass in a canoe. It does not require
> a big engine, just a lack of common sense.
> 
> BTW, we will never "grow up", if it means giving up things we
> enjoy.

Very well said.  Here in NJ I live an hours ride up a "NO WAKE ZONE"
river.  Most people do obey the law but from what I've seen in the past
years is that it's usually the weekend boater in his the lower end
boats breaking the wake laws.  This is probably due to the fact
that the local Marine Police to tend to hassle the larger offshore
speed boats.  In my last post I pointed out that I beat my Baja.
There was a reply that most people don't do this type of boating.
Well Baja also began making cruiser type boats.  If there not beat on
just think of how many years the boat will last with trubble free operation.

As for Bayliner problems, I haven't owned one.  I did see a 2450 (I think)
jump the wake of our local NYC ferry.  I must admit it's wake is
very large (broke an arm of a passenger jumping it myself), anyway,
the Bayliner wound up with a cracked hull and a call to Sea Tow.

******************************************
* MY OPINIONS.............AT&T's NETWORK *
*                                        *
* Garry Heon                     AT&T    *
* heon@cbnewsg.att.com       Holmdel, NJ *
******************************************
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Chesapeake Bay Net Gathering
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:15:14 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Aug28.004952.1663@sandr.COM> dlucy@sandr.COM (Douglas Lucy) writes:
>Hey! For those of you planning your own water-based net gathering,
>try to snag a picture while you're at it. I'll be snapping some
>electronic frames (I hope to get Bob dropping his cellular overboard
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>_again_)
 ^^^^^^^

[Good ideas about photographing the net raft up, albeit tainted with
 the above marked heinous personal attack against me deleted :-)]

OK, you started it Doug. :-)

It was a dark and stormy night. We were motoring into Baltimore,
good breeze on the nose, rain. Doug is driving, I'm below changing
into dry clothes, when I hear Doug say "Bob, check the chart and
see what that big Island ahead is". I yell "TURN LEFT", just as
the Crush_you Maru, a big car carrier turns on their spotlight.
We missed her. It was close.

Bob

-- 
[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]
[ bobp@sandr.com                                              410.628.9241 ]