From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: NYG/Reeves NOT pass oriented coach??
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:44:09 GMT

In article <C1HKHp.9z@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
>Subject: Re: NYG/Reeves NOT pass oriented coach??
>Date: 27 Jan 93 00:10:36 GMT
>In article <Jan.26.17.07.10.1993.26214@pepper.rutgers.edu>
>gore@pepper.rutgers.edu (Bittu) writes:
>
>> In article <C1FIL1.FA1@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>> 
>> > After getting over my initial mild disappointment ;-) with Mr. Young's
>> > recent negotiating (or lack of) for Coughlin and Wannstedt and after
>> > receiving the encouraging report from the guy from Denver, I'm glad to
>> > say that I'm feeling better about the idea of Reeves as NYG head coach.
>> 
>> I was disappointed too but I'm not sure how much of this is Young's
>> fault. However, I do hope that Young gives Reeves some power as far as
>> the draft/free agency is concerned. 
>

I cant complain too much about Youngs choice of players... 
I was *whining* because I was thinking about Reeves in terms of him being 
our "3rd choice".  I just hate settling for anything but the best, but 
now that I sit back and objectively think about it, he probably should 
have been our first choice.  

One question I have, which will play big for the Giants, is whether Reeves 
can motivate the players, and get them "on board" with his plans.  Player 
relations was one of RayMustGo's biggest downfalls.  The inter-team 
division really killed us.  (united we stand, divided we fall)   

>It might just be me, but George Young does not seem to be highly
>regarded by many people.  I'll never forgive him for his treatment of
>Parcells.  I'm sure Young's track record had to be one the reasons that
>Coughlin and Wannstedt avoid New York.

Yes, we NY fans are often heard asking Geo to remove his head from his 
lower anatomical oriface. :-)  There are lots of reasons.
The NY market is huge.  George is cheap.  (just ask him for some change, and 
take a look at those lincoln pennies squinting from being pinched so hard)
He doesnt like to cough up $$$ for big players.  His treatment of coaches 
and staff is poor. He believes in building from the draft.  PERIOD.  He 
rarely considers trades.  (last time we traded was 1989) He thinks players 
loyalty to the mighty NY Giants will keep them there.  George is going to 
have a big suprise when approx half the team roster goes free agent and 
leaves NY.

  >
>> >  IMHO, he is an excellent coach with a marvelous record for
>> > credentials.  If he is indeed not the 'passing oriented coach' all we
>> > Giant fans think he is, he could bring some true excitement to the

Lets examine our QB ranks.  Simms (as good as gone to Parsells to 
backup/coach their QB).  Hoss (does any other team hate their current 
starter as much as us?  If he would remain uninjured for a week or two, we 
might actually see whether he can be our next REAL QB)
Graham/Brown (new guys, I see a lot of potential in Graham, havent seen 
Brown in action really)

Maybe Reeves can develop Graham and Brown.  (IMHO we should trade Hoss, 
while he is worth something)

Brown had better be worth SOMETHING, we gave up our 1st round pick this
year for him.

>> > Giants offense next year.  Couple this with a simpler defensive scheme
>> > (read: Rod, pack yer bags) and some wise picks in the draft and free
>> > agent acquisitions, Dan could have the Giants back in contention
>> > quicker than we had hoped.  What has me worried is that George "I'm
>> 

I pray to the FBG's that Reeves brings in a good defensive coord.
We REALLY need one.  Rust's scheme read/react DOESNT WORK.

>> That is a good point. However, looking at the list of players who are
>> going to be free agents, which players do you think would be good
>> acquisitions for the GIANTS? We also ought to lose some of the older
>> players currently on the team. Now that Parcells is in NE, I'm pretty
>> sure that he'll take some of *his* players there. Which are positions
>> where the GIANTS need help most? 

>>I say they need a couple of good
>> linemen so they can protect their QB's, 
AMEN.  My prediction is at least 1/2 our Oline will go. 

>>at least one good receiver and
>> should use Bunch for pass catching a little more (like Rathman, Johnston
>> etc.). 

McCaffrey looked GREAT last year.  We Have to move him to a starting 
position. I think we were only using him on third down when we put an extra 
receiver out there.  He's a head taller than 3/4 of the defenders and has 
great stretch and hands.  I didnt see him drop too many, and saw him pull a 
few out of the air over a few heads.

We should use Bunch much more than we did last year.  Defense was keying on 
Hampton alot, we never used that to our advantage.

What is our tight end situation? Is Howard Cross good enough?
>> Derek Brown?

Good question.  Cross should have really stepped up when we needed him this 
past season.  I think we should be looking.

>
>Actually, if the Giants can keep their O-line intact, they should be in
>good shape.  The O-line got a bad rap earlier this year as a line that
>could not pass block...IMHO, they are adequate pass blockers and
>excellent run blockers.  Anyone know who is unprotected on the O-line?

Yeah, EVERYONE  :-)

>I feel the reason the QB's felt pressure was because of slow receivers.
> They definitely need to pick up a WR with some deep speed.  This will
>be Derek Brown's second season and it would be nice to see him blossom
>into a legitimate NFL TE. Cross is o.k., but NY really needs a go to
>guy at this position to take pressure of the WR.  With Reeves at the
>helm, I'm sure you'll see more passes to both Bunch and Hampton. 
>
>> On defense we need to do *major* rebuilding? We can't stop anything.
>> The only good linebacker right now is Pepper.

Pepper is probably our "team leader" at this point.  We need him to motivate 
and teach the rookies some moves.

>>(Banks is not healthy,
>> everyone else is new). I say LT is as good as gone. Hopefully we will
>> get rid of that "read, react and give up big plays" defense and get a
>> good defensive coordinator. Who can we pick up to fill the holes in
>> the secondary which is really bad, especially at CB? 

Another good question, I dont know.  Anyone on this?

The defensive
>> front is also old, but I still feel that it is good and only needs
>> support from an *impact* linebacker.
>
>Rod Rust's system definitely has to go. Hopefully, Banks can repair
>himself in the off season and I pray to God that something magical
>happens to Corey Miller and Kanavis McGhee cause they both looked
>*really* bad. 

Again, I think this had something to do with Handley's player relationships
and how he failed to motivate.  We also expected a lot from them in LT's 
absence.  I think if LT DOES leave, it will do a world of good. Properly 
coached these guys would be great, and I think have shown only a little 
potential.


> Actually, I don't think the secondary is in that bad
>shape.  Phillippi Sparks and Lamar McGriggs had their moments and Mark
>Collins is still a good CB.  

I think we should trade collins while he has some worth and get a younger 
player with some speed.  Collins blew a few, including a gimme INT.

>I think once the read and react is in the
>dumper and these guys are all reminded how to tackle, the secondary
>will be O.K.  The D-line needs to stay healthy.  If Dorsey, Howard and
>Marshall can find a way to keep from getting all dinged up, this is a
>solid D-line. And hopefully, Keith Hamilton will continue to improve. 
>The defense definitely needs a tune up and the need to get over not
>having LT.  Otherwise, with a lot of work (and a little luck) and a
>good linebacker (anybody know of any good ones that are available?)
>these guys could be tough.
> 
>> I certainly don't want to see another 6-10 season but if they are
>> going to do a good job of rebuilding then I have no problems.
>> 
>> --Vivek
>
>Ditto...

Triple Ditto.

Life goes on.... Adriene (G's and Reeves, Rock em in 93)
From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:42:09 GMT
Subject: NEED SUPER BOWL TICKETS!
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