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From: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us (MARK BROWN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Reply-To: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us
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The A3000 should be able to use the 64 bit Risc chips also.   
   Mark

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:42:54 GMT
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Jason 'KodaK' Balicki (kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
:
: I usualy have an AmigaDOS shell and a csh open on my
: WB and use the features in each.  Can you use other shells with Windows3.1?
:

Sure.  I use 4DOS and PolyShell.

:
: You can easily change things on both unix and AmigaDOS (isn't there an
: AmigaDOS shell for unix somewhere?) is it possible to easily configure
: things the same with DOS?
:

Sure!  Just get 4DOS and you have a great CLI.  History, aliases, completion,
intelligent wildcards, interactive file selection, on-line help, etc.  I
believe it even allows you to change the pathname separator.  It's shareware,
BTW.

:
: Jason Balicki | kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:49:03 GMT

In article <C1A1FM.Bws@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
writes:

>   If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
>Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
>the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
>and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
>not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
>marketing one now.

If Lew Eggebrecht's comments during the information session at the WOC in
Toronto are any indication, an A4000/030 is also slated for release at
the same time, as is the A4000T. One question that comes to mind in
terms of pricing strategy is third-party CPU modules. It's inevitable
that some people will opt for an A4000/EC030 in anticipation of an
inexpensive '040 module with increased performance features.

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:09:32 GMT

king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King) writes:

>In article <1993Jan17.181638.11895@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:

>>>    +100MIPS. I about a year Hexium is planned to be released giving users 
>>
>>And we all know that Intel also claims ridicilous MIPS numbers for 486...

>Yeah. I could understand the whole question a lot better if someone would
>tell me where they plan on getting (affordable) 10nS RAM from. Isn't that what 
>they would need in order to sustain this MIPS rate? Or are we talking about an
>endless loop executed entirely within the cache?

  Anyone who quotes MIPS these days is immediately falling into disrepute in
my eyes.  It's like MFLOPS; it's a figure which is "guaranteed never to be
exceeded".

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From: mike@struad.cts.com (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:30:02 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

In article <1993Jan22.154939.2006@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: The one who is insulting is solely you, Jerry.
>:
>
>I see that facts aren't the only things you ignore, Peter.  You also seem
>to ignore all the Amigoid bashing of PC's and PC users that goes on here.
>
>:
>: And I also feel personally offended: a phrase like "as insulting as the
>: rest of the Amigoids" easily insults 99 % of the persons reading this
>: text. YOU ARE WRONG!
>:
>
>Really?  And the Amigoids who call PC users "sheep", "lemmings", "clowns",
>etc. -- this isn't insulting?  Wake up and smell the sh*t you're shoveling,
>man.
>:
>: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>:
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  I guess you still don't get it. comp.sys.AMIGA.advocacy. See there? Amiga.
uh-mee-guh. Not pee-see. When you come into someone else's house you better
be careful. Expect to *not* have the same treatment as if it were your own
group. 

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Jerry Kuch)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:13:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.171102.19404@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <10593@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan23.214147.13439@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>
>>>Actually, do AMigans only ahve one CTRL key?  
>>
>>Well, yes, but it's not sooo necessary here, see? We now have menus and
>>"Amiga"-hotkeys and function keys, so we don't need that many ^K^C stuff 
>>like in (ugh) WordStar.
>
>Actually, I was think of that god-awful EMACS editor available for Amigans.
>It uses LOTS of CTRL-combiniations. (ugh)

Oh, Dan-O!  What a curse this is!  That dreaded EMACS editor available for
Amigans... how we must all suffer under its yoke.  Do you know how old EMACS
is and where it actually came from?  If you don't like EMACS, and surprisingly
a lot of people do...  I've seen countless JOVE (an EMACS variant) freaks
on UNIX systems... don't use EMACS.  There are a lot of commercial and
shareware alternatives to it.  CygnusED, TxEd, UEDIT, GnuEMACS...

>>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu


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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: amiga a1200.....
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:11:10 EST


MZ>I have just returned from a high street computer store down here and the
MZ>manager told me the A1200's will no longer be produced by Commodore in a couple of mnths. Not having read this in any AMiga press lately I am astonished and
MZ>refuse to believe what he said. Howvere if this IS true, then Commodore need
MZ>their heads examined!....

I think you are shopping at the wrong store. Maybe you should inform Commodore
of this and also let the owner of the store know. He's probaly a Mac user! hehe
 
First, Commodore has just released the A1200! Have you ever seen them dump 
a computer so fast! It's doesn't go with their pattern. They take years to 
release computers but they don't take months to scrap them.
 
 Second, Why would Commodore reveal this information to this manager. Is
he Irving Gould! Funny how they managed to give him this information and
no one else! 
 
 I hate it when rumours start! I really can't stand it when dumb rumours start.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:43:24 GMT
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In article <torrie.727676615@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, Evan Torrie (torrie@cs.stanford.edu) wrote:
:   No thank you.  Why on earth would I want to saddle my machine with
: those slow, delayed (just when are those 50MHz versions coming out??),
: lagging behind everybody else SuperSPARCs, when I could stick the 2
: or 3 times as fast Alphas in there?

Alphas?  I wasn't aware that their design made it "easy" to
multiprocess them.  Now, let's be civil about this, I'll settle for
the moto 88k series, they've at least got a "nice" multiprocessing set
up.  The reason the SuperSPARC's came to mind was their relative ease
in setting up a parallel architecture.  I could be wrong, but I didn't
think the Alpha "lent" itself to parallel architectures.

:   The SPARC is to the RISC world as Intel is to the CISC world.

I think that's just a BIT of an exaggeration, personally.  :)

Greg

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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:21:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.214147.13439@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
 > In article <93022.201856MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

 > >cd work:games/flashback
 > 
 > Huh?  What's this for?

Never mind - it's WAY above your head...

 > Actually, do AMigans only ahve one CTRL key?  I like have dual
 > Alt and and CTRL... just wondering.  Funny that, it bothers me when I hit the

Ahem.  The Amiga has ALWAYS had two Alt keys.  Always.  This has always been the
case.  Hmm...  This DECstation doesn't have ANY, though...

 > Cap Lock key onb the ELC keyboards at school.. wanting the CTRL key...

Yeah, caps lock/ctrl are exchanged on some keyboards it seems - only annoys me
when I'm using certain PCs (against my will, of course ;)

 > Nope.  You think I was talking about MSDOS when I write about
 > directories like 'D:\Games\Falcon3.0 which Amigans ain't got'?
 > It was OS/2.
 > 
 > MSDOS is old, and archaic, but still plays the best RPGs and Flight/Fighter
 > Sims in the private world.

Not Falcon3.0, according to your description above - maybe D:\GAMES\FALCON30.EXE,
but not 'D:\Games\Falcon3.0 which Amigans ain't got'.

 > >cd "Work:Games/Elite II - Frontier"
 > >frontier

Don't remind me - I NEED that game NOW!

 > >[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu

 > Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: IBM Compatible? Certainly not!
Organization: City University, London
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:07:44 GMT

The 28th Jan issue of industry journal Computing quotes
"...  In just seven years, IBM went from being the
world's most profitable and most admired corporation
to becoming the greatest failure in the history of
business."

Well, IBM have reaped what they have sown. They have
held back mainstream progess in microcomputing by
about 10 years. All that time the challenge on 
people's lips was "Is it IBM compatible?"

Now the phrase "IBM compatible" is passe, an
embarassment, anathema.

Now if anyone asks if the Amiga is IBM compatible,
you can say, "No! Certainly NOT!".

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 03:55:38 GMT

In article <1k9hcuINNo9r@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <1993Jan28.184701.10331@ifi.uio.no>, Stig Arne Olsen (stigo@ifi.uio.no) wrote:
>
>: Can we draw the conclusion from the previous postings that the probability
>: of C= cutting the prices for the AGA machines is the same as the
>: probability of some nuclear power plant blowing up?
>
>Yup.  Mark that "extremely likely", over a period of time.  :)

	Remember how Marc has been whining about the gap in price between
an A1200 and an A4000? Well, look at it this way (for those of you who
think the A4000/030 is going to be a bargain):

	If CBM sold an A4000 with everything except the CPU card, then
they would probably sell it for $500 less than it currently is, so don't
expect an 030 to sell for less than $2,000. You see, the Video Toaster
sells for $2495, yet it probably cost them $500 to make each one, and they
probably resell them to dealers for about $1800 (I have seen them at 
dealers for $1999). Now, a 68040 card might cost $700 to build a decent
one, so if CBM doesn't include one with the 4000 they might as well
just knock $700 of the powerup price of $2700. And to put a 68030 it will
cost about $250 to build a decent one, moderate speed. 

	I predict the A4000/030 will cost greater than $2,000, and CBM
will still have a big price gap. 

	That gap could be replaced by a nice AGA CDTV with a hard disk
built in. Of course, video and cpu slots are the vital expansion slots,
and one zorro slot would suffice. And it would be nice if it could use
the same CPU as the A4000.


	If boards like the Fusion Forty, GVP 040, etc work with the A4000,
then CBM should sell and A4000 with no processor card. I refuse to buy
a processor card or less than 24bit graphics board for my A3000 until I
can afford an A4000...and believe me CBM, it will be a while.

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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:37:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.004431.1490@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>That makes me believe that Amiga owners actually _chose_ to buy to an
>>>Amiga, and not follow the other lemmings. I know some of the stuff you have
>>>that I don't. Some of it I couldn't care less for, some of it would be
>>>interesting to have. Some of it get ported anyway.
>
>It could not be that Amiga users cannot afford to _not_ be familiar with PCs?

It could. And pigs could fly too.
Is this so hard to understand?
I'm a special case I know, since I'm graduating in CS and therefore knowing
what happens around me is prerequisite for staying alive in a job market.
The fact that a billion flies likes shit doesn't mean that I have to like
it too.

If you could buy an XXX instead of a YYY, and the YYY had 100 times more
press, more support, more sold units etc , and still you chose the XXX
wouldn't you agree that; you made your _own_ choise, you get a lot of info
about the YYY, you have a big chance of having to use an YYY for some task
or other.

Wouldn't you agree that it is stupid to _not_ know what is happening on the
other fronts?

What pissed me most is the attitude "Never heard of it, why should I bother
with it?". How about trying "Never heard of it, tell me more."

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:13:30 GMT

In <1jqojbINN7f9@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Above that, there's the impression that a buggy operating system
>gives, even if that is a beta.  As a friend of mine, Russell McOrmond,
>could attest to, when betas of Welmat were available to public use,
>people got the impression that welmat was "buggy", even though actual
>released versions were extremely stable.  That impression persists.

>That is not something C=, or any other OS designer, needs.

 Oh, heck, Commodore had 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 2.04...  Releasing a beta
version ain't going to make their reputation worse. :-)

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:35:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
>: >
>: >You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
>: > 
>: >Does it matter, Skip?
>:
>: Yes.  If I didn't use anything but Clones, it might not be.  But I use
>: Amigas and various UNIX boxes on a daily basis and the Clones are the
>: only ones that do things backwards.
>:
>
>Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

You can use cd .. to go up a level on the Amiga by means of a simple
script and an alias:

.key dir

IF "<dir>" EQ ".."
  C:CD /
ELSE
  C:CD <dir>
ENDIF  

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From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 28 Jan 1993 07:21:31 GMT
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In article <25395@galaxy.ucr.edu> vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.171744.19337@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>  
>tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>>While it appears that the machine remains rather elusive, the February issue
>>of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article entitled "Falcon030
>>Leads the Pack" (p. 58).
>It was at Comdex in November.  Nobody knew about it, since the only one I saw  
>was at the Motorolla booth, and it was sitting right next to an A4000.

Atari had their own booth over in the Sands convention center, so unless you
left the main hall you wouldn't have seen it. Anyway, there were at least a
dozen Falcons at the Atari booth. (Including two that we
(Digital-Optical-Analog) were running our voicemail program on.) I looked
over at the Motorola booth, it was rather un-impressive on both counts (Falcon
and A4000). But the Motorola booth itself was rather under-attended from what
I saw. (And no 68060 info to be had, what a drag...)
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From: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Subject: NISC Amiga
Summary: smaller, faster, better
Keywords: CISC RISC NISC
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:15:47 GMT

We have all heard about how the new RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Code)
chips are faster than the CISC (Complex Instruction Set Code) CPUs.  Well, I 
say, if having fewer instructions makes for faster CPUs, why doesn't Amiga
surge ahead of the competition by releasing a NISC (No Instruction Set Code)
Amiga?  Let's see Amiga regain the forefront of leading edge computer design!
How fast would a NISC-based Amiga be?  Well, let's just say... BLAZING.
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:02:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.014512.12013@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

>I don't think you understand the full extent of Gore's eco-freakishness...
>He wants to ban/get rid of all internal combustion engines... i.e. no more 
>cars...  He thinks they cause too much pollution when in fact they cause
>merely a small fraction... He is the ultimate Chicken Little...  (Read his

	Cars cause air pollution, ground pollution, and noise pollution,
plus a whole lot more. The majority of the air pollution in non-industrial
areas is caused by cars. Now, we could have switched to fuels that run on
corn products, which would have been great for our farming industry. Or
we could have made hybrid engines that use batteries and gas. Or we could
use electrical induction engines where the electrical charge comes from
beneath the road.

	But I doubt GM, Exxon, Goodyear, etc would let our politicians
pass any bills of that nature. RE: These 3 companies bought the entire
transportation systems in 50 of America's largest cities, including
Syracuse where I was born, and replaced those nice electric trolleys
with GM buses running on Exxon gas and Goodyear tires.

	Don't let big companies tell you what you think. HINT: they lie.

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