Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:55:13 PST
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From:         Cuong Bui <bui@BERLIOZ.NSC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Go back to VN to help rebuilding VN
              23:56:25 GMT

>From: tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
>Subject: Re: Go back to VN to help rebuilding VN
>Date: 21 Jan 93 23:56:25 GMT
>Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
>
>
>  Everytime this subject comes up, I see a lot of people come out flaming
>anyone who disagrees with them.  Lots of heat, but very little substance.

I think we mentioned a lot of substances:
     -Democracy
     -Human right
     -Corruption
     -Prostitution
     -Crimes against the people
     -Freedom of speech
     -Freedom of religion
Care to pick one ?

>All kinds of name callings and personal attacks on those who dare mention
>that they want to help Vietnam.  After all, anyone can destroy and tear
>down something.  It is much harder to work on something positive, to build
>something good.

I am surprised at the name calling if any. But, remember the profanity ? ;-)
No, not anyone can destroy. Only the communists are capable of that, destroying
the whole nation, generation, human lives, morals ...
This is a free country, no one can stop or destroy anyone ;-).

>  From all the name callings and rhetorics, I see two common themes from
>those who opposed helping Vietnam.  Let me bring it out on the table and
>we can try to talk in a sensible and logical way without the name callings.
>
>  The first theme from people such as Hung Ho, Kim Nguyen, Son, Cuong Bui
>and so on is:
>
>       1. They were fooled, duped, tricked and so on by the communists.
>
>               a. Other people have also been fooled, duped, tricked by
>               the communists.
>
>               b. They are "older" and "know" more, or have more "experience"
>               than YOU (whoever you are).  This is an argument that ALL
>               traditional Vietnamese folks use (i.e. they are claiming that
>               older equates to being "wiser" -- I will leave a discussion of
>               this point for later).
>
>               Conclusion: They think that everyone else would also get tricked
>               by the communists.  Therefore, don't even TRY.  You should give
>               up now because they have already given up (they are NOT going
>               to try again, same as giving up).

No, we just tell the truth as it was/is. I guess we learned. Let's talk about
a simple example, perhaps the gifted, talented young ones can share:
         Fire is hot, it burns your finger.
         The old man tell it to the kids: don't play with fire.
         The kids say: you old man "chicken died" claiming to be "wiser",
                       move over, don't stand in our way.

To that, I say, go ahead.
The communists has been using this tactic: tell the youngs that their older
generation, their father/brother generation is useless, worthless, stupid,
"cu+'ng dda^`u cu+'ng co^?" (hard nose , hard head, hard neck ;-))
They've done that with Cha'u ngoan ba'c Ho^`. Do you know what it is ?
They've done that with Thanh nie^n xung phong. Do you know what that is ?

Our people, as you called "traditional Vietnamese folks", always treat
with respect the elders, not because of age I am sure.

   Nha^n , Nghi~a , Le^~ , Tri' , Ti'n
I am sure you know the meaning of those terms.

The current VN gang : Le^ DDu+'c Anh, Nguye^~n Va(n Linh, Vo~ Va(n Kie^.t
Do you know who they are? How did they come to power? What qualifications
do they have ?

I guess the VAEF has much to teach yet. Or they don't do teaching ?


>Cuong Bui <bui@BERLIOZ.NSC.COM>
> in Message-ID: <9301201819.AA17046@berlioz.nsc.com>
>>You'll find how friendly and open arms they are as soon as you decide
>>to stay. I think it's a great learning opportunity for those who don't
>>know or have experiences with the communists, to come back and actually stay
>>and work with them. Do it, don't talk. You don't need to wait for other
>>people or try to persuade others. Give up your US citizenship, come home
>>to our country, stay and work there. Fight the Chinese. Ask Pha.m Va(n
>>DDo^`ng, and Ho^` government why they gave away Hoa`ng Sa and Tru+o+`ng Sa
>>to the Chinese . Be serious.
>
>  He is implicitly telling you to give up, because you will fail.
>Don't even try...

To the contrary, I wish Tung good luck and ready to see him to his plane going
home. It is there where he can do a lot of good, at least to learn for himself
what he's been talking about, the goverment welcoming arms.
And to live with the people, to enjoy together the happiness, to suffer
together the pain. Not by remote control.
My suggestion to him or others likes him is DO IT . Talk is cheap. It takes
a man to follow his words, to act out his beliefs, to sacrifice for his
country, for his people. And don't sit here watching football claiming that.
And the time is NOW. If you act too late, VN is full of others who come back
earlier and get good seat, the government may not welcome you as much.
"Tra^u cha^.m uo^'ng nu+o+'c ddu.c"

c.b.
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