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From: Zhang.Hao@lambada.oit.unc.edu (zhang hao)
Subject: Parallel computers for atmospheric models?
Apparently-To: uunet!comp-parallel
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:35:28 GMT


I am trying to do some research on using parallel computers for 
atmospheric models. I was wondering what the current state of the 
art is in this respect.  How well are those models performaned?
Is there any particular technique used for parallelism in
meteorological models? Thanks for help.

ZH
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From: hunter@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Steve Hunter)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Tornadoes around the world
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:29:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzHIwx.2zK
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Dec18.234652.18214@ncar.ucar.edu> marcia@rap.ucar.edu (Marcia Politovich) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.202619.29890@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.170955.17961@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) writes:
>>> A friend from Africa said there were no tornadoes there.  Is North America
>>> the only continent where tornadoes ocurr?  If so, why?
>>
> various comments, which the humor-impaired will likely take seriously..
>
>>Finally, let us not overlook the importance of trailer parks, which
>>serve as "tornadic magnets."  There are far more trailer parks in the
>>US than anywhere else, and these trailer parks are crucial to the
>>formation of tornadoes, as observational evidence indicates that 
>>tornadoes nearly always occur in their vicinity.
>>
> I have always thought that as a weather modification project,
> for tornado dissipation, they (who??) ought to drop trailers
> out of the back of some large cargo plane, like a C5a. This 
> would immediately attract any tornadoes in the area, give them 
> something to chew on (literally), and voila, the problem is
> solved. 
>
>>I apologize for not having references to cite in this post, but if
>>anybody's interested, I will post them as soon as I make them up.
>>I didn't make up this theory, though;  it's in a paper I have at
>>home, which appeared in the April issue of some journal or the other.
>
> Try the Journal of Irreproducible Results...... 
>
>>-- 
>>/\    "I'm only a human girl person.  I ain't always perfect."--Rambling Rose
>>  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
>>      \______________________________________________________________________
>
> Happy Winter Solstice to you all 
>
> --  Marcia Politovich, another crazed NCAR person 
>
>
Or, you could hitch up a bunch of mobile homes to the backs of trucks and
haul them down the highway.  This is known, at least here in Okie-homa, as
TROLLING FOR TORNADOES...

Must be something about that rarefied air in Boulder that does it...

I think I'll have to come up and get some...permanently.

Hi Marcia!

Steve Hunter
NWS OSF
Norman, OK
Hi Marcia
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: clearly describing chaos
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:05 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
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Summary: A Brit radio show (relevant but layman level)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

The following posted on behalf of jae@ukc.ac.uk, whose netnews is read-only.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"

jae> Last night, the BBC broadcast a good programme on chaos theory and its
jae> applications to every day life, including weather forcasting.
jae> For example, a difference of 1 millionth of a degree in temperature was
jae> seen to have a big difference on the weather patterns based on that 
jae> starting temperature. Within 2 weeks, there could be a 5-10 degree 
jae> difference  between forecast temperature and actual temperature 
jae> (assuming that the  model is run from the beginning, without updating 
jae> the data.)

jae> The radio program was a documentary entitled "Chaos", and was
jae> presented by Ian Stewart. There were references to such things
jae> as egg whisks, dripping taps etc. and how they are affected
jae> by chaos theory.

jae> Radio listeners worldwide may pick it up eventually on the BBC
jae> World service, as the world service often carries many of the
jae> U.K. radio4 programmes, a few months later.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe)
Subject: Re: Tornadoes around the world
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:55:42 CST

In article <1992Dec18.170955.17961@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) writes:
|> A friend from Africa said there were no tornadoes there.  Is North America
|> the only continent where tornadoes ocurr?  If so, why?
|> 
|> ---------------------
|> Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
|> also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet   AOL: JeffParke
|> Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
|> Pullman, WA  99164-7012

    Tornadoes are most common in North America but have been reported on
every continent except possibly Antarctica.  Even Antarctica is probably
prone to waterspouts 
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: upfv@pool.sunyit.edu (Paul Vieira)
Subject: Jet Steam Energy
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:48:03 GMT

 Last week's storm was obviously a monumental one. As a meteorology
layperson, could someone perhaps comment on these questions. 

1. Just before the storm hit, The Weather Channel and several
   other agencies covering the storm reported that the impetus
   to the storm's magnitude was the unusual energy in the Jet Stream.
   Could someone discuss this? What made this storm so unusual
   and what factor in the Jet can be attributed to the "Energy" 
   they made reference to ? 

2. As mentioned above, I am a layperson but also a great enthusiast  
   of Meteorology. (go figure, my degree is in Telecommunications)
   How can I get involved in weather? Does the NWS have volunteer 
   functions? I guess I would like to get involved with the
   field, not necessarily as a student and subsequent graduate since
   my forte is telecom. The excitement of last week's storm really 
   rekindled my interest in meteorology and desire to get involved. 

Any comments appreciated, thanks.... Paul Vieira 


2. 
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology,misc.jobs.offered
From: pjr@splash.Princeton.EDU (Peter Rayner)
Subject: Lectureship available in climatology, Melbourne Australia
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:29:53 GMT

I have been asked to post the following announcement for a position at
the University of Melbourne, Melbourne Australia.  I have absolutely
nothing further to do with the whole process so please don't mail me
about it.  Note that there is a Fax number included for timely
enquiries.

University of Melbourne
School of Earth Sciences
Climatologist
Lecturer (Continuing)

The School of Earth Sciences is seeking applications for a tenured
position in Climatology, commencing early in 1993. The
appointee will be expected to have broad integrated research
interests in modern climatology and meteorology and have a
publication and funding record which reflects this. The
successful applicant will have a quantitative understanding
of the physical processes which determine climate.
Candidates are expected to have expertise in some area of
climate change such as variations in circulation,
atmospheric and surficial water budgets and
vegetation associated with natural and anthropogenic forcings. The appointee
will be involved with the use of remote sensing to quantify
large scale aspects of climate (such as cloud cover, soil
moisture, vegetation, oceanic conditions) and their variations and
change. Experience with the development or use of numerical
climate models would be a distinct advantage.
The position involves the initiation and supervision
of postgraduate student research projects and the teaching of
undergraduate courses on the basic physics of climate and
weather.

Salary: $41,000-$48,688 p.a. (Lecturer, Level B).

Further information: Professor Ian Plimer or Associate 
Professor Ian Simmonds. 61 3 344 6520. Fax 61 3 44 7761

Applications close: 29 January 1993

Reference number: Y6250100

Applications should be sent in duplicate quoting three
referees (including facsimile numbers) to:

The Director
Personnel Services
The University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3052
Australia
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From: fhl@milton.u.washington.edu (Dean Pentcheff)
Newsgroups: sci.comp-aided,vmsnet.pdp-11,comp.sys.dec
Subject: PDP 11/73 with a Cheshire Data Interface?
Summary: Any information?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:39:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec16.023938.4313
Reply-To: nev@uoneuro.uoregon.edu (G. Nevitt)
Followup-To: sci.comp-aided
Organization: Neurobiology, University of Oregon

I'm looking for a PDP 11/73 with a Cheshire Data Interface.  Can anyone
give me any information on this or where I might find one?  

Many thanks.

-G. Nevitt

 NOTE: This was posted by Dean Pentcheff (dean2@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu)
 for G. Nevitt.  Please respond to the "Reply-To" address above which is:
 nev@uoneuro.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Declining Intro Enrolments
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160421.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes:
>At our university, the percentage of incoming students who take the
>first year course has plummeted in the past five years from over 62%
>to about 39%. Are other economics departments facing a similar
>phenomenon, or should we be directing our attention exclusively
>inward?

I think that when academic departments ignore the fact that everyone needs to
learn something about the field and not just specialists, they are cutting
their own throats.  If the econ departments don't think economics is important 
enough to have every student learn something about it, why should the
students support the value of the departments after they are out of the 
university?  

Im my case, I signed up for an econ course when I wan in school and the first
day the professor showed us a little Galbraith & Keynes movie and explained
that he didn't want to hear any complaints that free market economics were
going to be out of the bounds of discussion in his class.  He said
(among other things) that he was there to teach us and anything we might be
interested in "teaching him" about free market economics was unwelcome and
would result in a failing grade.  I had been studying economics for years
by that time, and if the professor was going to teach me the errors of
my capitalist ways, he would have to at least discuss them.  Too bad he
was uninterested in that.

Rather than put up with aggrivation, I quit the class.

I don't know how many others made the same kind of choices, but that's one
data point for you all.


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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Dumping
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:50:38 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <vSR=X=C@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
>
>|> These are all high costs of entry (technology,
>|> capital, etc.) that the U.S. is slowly losing while other countries like
>|> Japan are gaining- and they own a lot of our debt.  If they refuse to buy
>|> any more debt from the U.S. in the future that will hinder U.S. growth
>|> even more.
>|> 
>
>Refusing to buy our debt is only a problem if our debt is unattractive.
>If the return is good, others will buy the debt that the Japanese
>refuse to buy.  The fact that the Japanese own a lot of our debt
>should be an indication that they think we represent a good investment.
>After all, who deliberately buys bad investments?
>
>James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
>University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
>Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         

  This is a good example of how thinking differs from Japan compared to
the U.S. - "if our debt is attractive".  You assume that all they want to
do is make a quick buck (or yen).  Doesn't it bother you in the least bit
that future U.S. growth is highly dependent on foreign countries buying
out debt?  What if Japan just decided not to renew their bonds/T-bills/whatever
after they were due?  What if they wanted the cash instead of rolling it
over?  Do you realize what a crunch that would put on investment?   How
is the U.S. going to offer "attractive" debt when all of its base industries
start collapsing?  Does South American debt ring a bell with you?  That 
could be us in 20 years.  I bet their debt was real "attractive" as well
before they defaulted on their loans.

  Doug
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From: louis@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Louis Schmittroth)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: An American strategy for world trade
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:35:34 GMT
Distribution: na

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:


>>It's a game by their rules that they are winning, and while 
>>we are all debating what constitutes dumping, more jobs and industries
>>will be lost in '93 until some real policy changes are implemented.

>And what policy changes do you propose?  Everything I've seen consists
>of "Ask the Japanese not to work so hard" or "Make them raise their prices".
>-- 
Nothing that I have to say will ask the Japanese not to work so hard, or
to raise their prices.  My concern is that the US (I hold dual US and
Canadian citizenship) Wake Up and implement policies at the national
level which will enable American (and by default Canadian) industries to
compete and prosper.  By prosper I mean benefit first the emloyees,
second the national economic interest, and third the return to
stockholders over the short term.  Here are some encapsulated
suggestion.  For more detail I refer you to Trading Places by Clyde
Prestowitz, which I consider one of the most important books I have read
in recent years.

1.  Get more R&D directed into productive commercial product
    developments.   For example turn the National Laboratories into
    R&D directed toward real world research, not Star Wars.
2.  Establish *something like* the Japanese MITI, the Ministry of
    International Trade and Industry.  but American in conception 
    and implementation.
3.  Establish some "strategic industires" -- strategic in the Japanese
    sense, i.e., important to the economic well being of the nation.
    For example, biotechnology, high definition television,
    telecommunications superconductivity, microelectronics, and so
    forth (you fill in the list).  Then support these with exceptions
    to the anti-trust laws, and *cooperative research*, and, yes,
    preferred government procurement.
4.  Instead of trying to re-make the Japanese in the image of old
    fashioned Anglo-Saxon capitalism, and trying to force their markets to
    be "open", which is impossible, try some real quid pro quo in specific
    cases.
5.  Put some rules on all foreign investment.  Welcome it, but not at
    the expense of US jobs.

I'ms sure some the real economists of this group will jump in with a 
more complete list.  This is from a mere mathematician.
--
Louis Schmittroth louis@cs.athabascau.ca
NW 1/4 18 67 21 W4 Alberta.
From: louis@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Louis Schmittroth)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: "Dumping"
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:07:51 GMT

jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.152259.14531@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>part.  I simply posted what seemed to be the implication of your post.
>You moan about workers losing their jobs at semiconductor plants.
>What is your alternative?

I really don't know too much about Sematech, but Time recently had an
article on the improvement in the worldwide position of US semiconductor
sales, from a low of 36% to Japan's 46% or so, the latest figures put
US at 42% and Japan at 41%, or thereabouts.  Sematech is something the
MITI in Japan would have instituted (and did) long ago to try to recover
world position in a strategic industry -- strategic in the Japanese
sense which is economic, not military.

Can anyone comment on just how effective Sematech has been?  Is it
possible that the Clinton administration will follow this path with
other "strategic" industries?
--
Louis Schmittroth louis@cs.athabascau.ca
NW 1/4 18 67 21 W4 Alberta.  
Newsgroups: sci.econ,misc.legal
From: Robert.Vienneau@launchpad.unc.edu (Robert Vienneau)
Subject: Re: "Dumping"
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:37:40 GMT

Those who have been arguing that "dumping" is not profitable seem to me
to suffer from having their minds corrupted by Neoclassical economics.
Neoclassical theory imposes a worldview that does not allow the wearer
of those particular glasses to perceive the existence of certain
possibilities. Ted Frank, apparently being taught at Chicago, is a good
illustration. 

Classical theory contained some ideas that are relevant here. I refer
to Adam Smith's idea "that the division of labor is limited by the
extent of the market" (Chapter 3 in The Wealth of Nations). Important
points: 

(1) Technology and technological change are not givens that rain down from
heaven.

(2) Increasing returns to scale are pervasive.

(3) Economic growth, both for firms and countries, reflect a learning
process that one cannot leap into the middle of.

(4) Non-price forms of competition are pervasive as well.

(5) History matters.

(6) Uncertainty about the future matters.

Notions of Neoclassical equilibrium and profit-maximizing (MR = MC) do
not fit comfortably into this world. There are important contemporary
scholars who worry about these matters. A good book developing a more
relevant economic theory is _Economics_Without_Equilibrium_, by Nicholas
Kaldor. Also, good MBA programs now teach courses in "technology
management," with their own body of literature. Those who are arguing
the possibility of dumping might find this literature interesting.

                               Robert Vienneau

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From: hh@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric Hollander)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,ucb.org.csua
Subject: Re: SODA, SUPER HEROS AND OUR INTERNET (branch)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:13:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: ucb
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <c164-aa.724286732@po.berkeley.edu> c164-aa@po.berkeley.edu (Paul DuBois) writes:
>hh@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric Hollander) writes:
>
>>Instead of attempting to discuss time-place-manner value, I will instead
>>quote the great master of time-place-manner wisdom.
>
>>Te
>>(virtue)
>>3041 characters
>
>>38
>...
>
>Do you want to reformat this send me a copy so I can print it out a couple
>of times?

I'll mail it to you.  I typed it in to MS Word 5.0 on a mac.  If you want a
mac copy of it, I'll binhex it and mail it to you that way.  Or I can do a
better MSW5.0 -> ascii if you want it that way.

Of course, it is copyrighted, but that doesn't bother me.  If anything
should be free, this should.

And part of the idea of my typing it in was that people would have access to
it without having to use paper, but if I mail it to you, you're free to do
what you want with it.

It's so useful for me to have it on line because I can quickly search for
quotes that apply to whatever situations come up.  And I can also post the
whole thing to news, or the motd, or where ever else seems apropriate.

e
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: canright@convex.com (Robert Canright)
Subject: Re: "Death of America"
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:57:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Let's face it: Congress is addicted to deficit spending & is practicing
denial.  Exponential increases in spending cannot continue forever.

If the Soviet Union could not live forever in an economic fantasy, butressed
by secret police & prison camps, we cannot live forever in our economic
fantasy, butressed by debt.
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.misc,misc.misc
From: mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike)
Subject: Re: Inflation (Was: Re: GM Plant Closures...)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:59:10 GMT

In article <1go44fINN1t6@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
>mike) writes: 
>|> Oh, by the way, in my model I mentioned that I was biding up the price of
>|> labor to $6.00/hr.  I would point out that most of my co-workers would 
>|> probably do the same thing, and labor prices would rise.  They would
>|> continue to rise because or "boss" has no alternative labor to ask him
>|> to work (becuase they're 0% unemployment, remember).  We would continue to
>|> bid up wages until we reached an equilibrium, which could not likely occur
>|> until unemploy existed.
>|> 
>|> I would like to reiterate that inflation occured without any increase in the
>|> supply of money.
>|> 
>Your assumption, based upon such a small community, assumes that your
>employer is a monopolistic supplier of a product.  In reality, your
>employer would not be able to pass on the costs, because competitors
>are still only paying $5.00/hr.  Prices are not based upon costs, but
>upon what the market is willing to (or can afford) to pay. 
>
>Your employer would have to decrease his own profits or someone else's
>salary.  No inflation occurs.  

You are missing my point.  In fact, competitors would NOT still be paying
their employees $5.00/hr.  They're wage rates would rise, too.  ALL wage
rates would continue to rise until there existed enough unemployment that
there would be someone willing to work for the lesser wage.

But it is important to remember that I became involved in this thread because
someone contended that high demand for employees (i.e. low, near-zero 
unemployment) was a solution to a problem.  It has been my contention that
near-zero unemployment would cause serious problems in and of itself, 
specifically in the form of inflation.  And this would occur regardless
of a theoretical "constant money supply".

I would point you to a recent post in this thread which eloquently uses
the New England area in the mid-eighties to show how this can happen.


-- 

					-- Mike
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