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   From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
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   aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:

   >Much as I dislike it on one level, I understand in my gut why the public
   >cries out for more regulation.  The obscene spectre lurking in our
   >imagination is fear of ignorance -- fear of the incompetent doctor,
   >lawyer, engineer, plumber,.....

   And most of all, fear of the incompetent consumer.

   Fear that 'the public' is simply not qualified to take care of itself.

   -- 
   Kiran Wagle <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>


I'm not so sure that the 'public' cries out for more regulation, just those
who are in "responsible" positions (and wanna-be's) who cry out for it. It
definitely comes about from two attitudes. One is that people cannot be
trusted to take care of themselves, as if we've not been able to do that for
the last 25,000 or so years. The other is that we can create a Utopian
universe. A case in point is obstetrics in Los Angeles County. According
to UCLA, the reason why doctors are leaving obstetrics in LA is the number
of liability and malpractice lawsuits. People actually believe that the
reason why their baby is not perfect is that obstetrician botched the delivery
and caused the imperfection. Not that it's not possible, but only in a very
small number of cases. Another good example is when something good goes
bad, especially if it's a chemical.


-scottm
(contemplating "BlueSmoke the Druid", but needs to read "Callahans" first)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Stumpy visits Aus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:36:43 GMT


[    ]
>On to a bookstore, where DM bought the latest in New Zealand comic books. A
>couple of record stores where I bought Mozart, Beethoven and the Monkees, and
>DM bought Les Miserables (Complete Symphonic version, on sale).

>Then we went hunting games... specifically Lace and Steel (Australian, out of
>print, impossible to find, even here), and any GURPS books I could lay my
>hands on at a price significantly lower than at home. No luck, however I did
>manage to get copies of the first two Callahans novels FINALLY!

kitten...after deleting much to save bandwidth...giggles at stumpy's
adventures with DM in australia..."but i have a question...(or
two)...which monkees album did you get?  (i used to have them all)
and, what is the latest in australian comic books?

curious kitties want to know!"


--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:49:42 GMT
Subject: Re: In need of encouragement
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, Cathy Ridings <U3E67@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:
> 
> Well if it is possible could some of you take a few minutes and write some
> words of comfort for him?

I am not sure we are qualified to say anything that will help.  My
father has been in a wheelchair for almost 30 years now after a
logging accident.  What got him through?  Ya' got me.  But I CAN
tell you this.  Your freind is luckier than many quadraplegics,
and there are SO many things he can still do.  The world is a
vast and complex place, and the senses and the hands are MORE
than adequate to experience a HUGE amount of it.  A tough
attitude will be needed, no doubt.

This is coming from a man who loves to play basketball as well...

doug 
Newsgroups: alt.callahans,alt.individualism
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.065034.20117@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>
>I named a few and gave arguments as to why they could only be provided by a
>central government in a previous post.  If you don't understand why the free
>rider problem implies this, then tell me why you disagree with what I posted
>and I'll try to make it clearer to you.
>
>These services need not be provided by the same entity.  They MUST be provided
>by entities with coercive powers.  Do you really want more entities with
>coercive powers than the minimum necessary?

Public broadcasting is a good example of the free rider problem.  And yet it
keeps going.  (Yes, a tithe of its budget is coerced.  But if there were no
taxes, the same money would buy more.)

I'm sorry, the only one of your examples that I remember is streetlights.
Grovel grovel.  I've heard that many lighthouses (a classic "public good"
example) used to be money-makers, but know no details.  Presumably the story
wouldn't have reached my ears in the same way if the lighthouses earned
their keep in the same way as those in, if I haven't got my yarns mixed up,
"The Most Dangerous Game".

-- 
Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Points
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  9 Sep 92 01:27:53 GMT

OK, so we have the assorted cardinal points worked out - how about proximity to
other Callahanians?  I claim most isolated Callahanian status (about 3500km
from the next one!)

I am looking forward to a real-space with Damien in summer though!

Splash!

--
***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Stumpy visits Aus - Part 2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:47:51 GMT

speaker to minerals says:


>Hmmm.  Diabetes does strange things to people, I guess.  Before I was diagnosed
>as having diabetes, breakfast for me usually happened around 10:00 am.  Since
>the diagnosis, breakfast is usually 6:00 am (it has to do with planning one's
>meals so they fit in with one's insulin injections [yes, I'm back on insulin; 
>I've already told Kitten about it, and will probably fill the rest of you in
>sometime soon;  suffice it to say for now that I spent most of a week in
>hospital <but, on the bright side, it's now been over three weeks since my last
>cigarette>]) (I've been known to get to the coffee shop before the cook).


kitten leaps up and hugs StM...."that is wonderful...i am so proud of
you.  tobacco is a very hard drug to kick...t.c., who hasn't had a
drink in 10 years and hasn't had a cigarette in 6 years....says it was
MUCH harder to quit smoking than to quit drinking."
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt)
Subject: Re: A timid entrance
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:02:07 GMT

In article <199209082208.AA04059@david.wheaton.edu>,
clhoerth@david.wheaton.EDU (Cathe L Hoerth) writes:
> 
> 	There is a brief commotion by the door of the Place as an ocelot
> dashes in between the legs of an exiting patron (much to that patron's
> discomfort, but it can't be helped) and runs across the room.  Onlookers
> have the impression of a flash of yellow and black as she darts under
> Nick's chair and huddles there, panting a bit.  Her tail is poofed out
> to bottlebrush size, which on 25 lbs. of jungle feline is pretty
> impressive, but for the most part she just looks scared.  As she peers
> out from under the chair, her liquid black eyes and trembling whiskers
> seem to say, "Oh dear, perhaps I have made a terrible error, but I am
> small and alone and shy.  Be nice to me, scratch behind my ears and give
> me affection... and maybe a dish of milk, but I'm broke."  Amazingly
> expressive whiskers, nu? 
> 

<Ping!> Jason clears his throat in the corner that he wasn't in a moment
before. There is a second female ocelot with him. This one is wearing a
black, velvet covered collar set with a single, saphire-blue stone. She
seems very relaxed, and mews a friendly greeting to the frightened ocelot
under Gunnar's chair."Hi folks!" says Jason, "Just thought I'd drop off a
friend of mine for a chat with our new guest." He strokes the big cat
behind her head. "My friend's name is Thyra, and she would like to know
what's the matter with her cousin there under the chair. Mike, Thyra would
like a Brandy Alexander, heavy on the cream, in a champaign saucer please.
I'll pick up her tab, and she'll let you know if she wants anything else."

Mike hands the drink to Jason. He puts it on the floor in front of Thyra,
who laps at it with great relish.

In between laps, she mews comfortingly to the other ocelot, and appears to
listen intently to the conversations in the room. Her ears rotate toward
whatever conversation seems most interesting.

Jason says "If the beautiful ocelot there wants to chat with Thyra, E-Mail
to <JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU> labeled 'ATTN--THYRA' will be responded to
appropriately, and in response to her wishes. Feel free to interact with
Thyra. She's an amazingly inteligent creature, and loves attention. And
yes, she CAN understand what you are saying!"

"Well, I've got to get back to work. I'll be back for Thyra later."

He presses the button on his ever-present PowerBook, and vanishes with a
soft <Ping!>, leaving the two cats looking at each other, and everyone else
looking at them.

Have Fun . . . Jason
:-)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Points
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:43:27 GMT

> [Alfvaen:]
>"Anyway--we've established Damien as the southernmost, in Tasmania.  And I'm
>farther north than anyone south of Manchester. ;-} But how do we define east
>and west?  Are we stopping at the International Date Line each way?"

Danger Mouse puts his geographical two cents worth in. "The Date Line
sounds reasonable to me. Stumpy is nodding vigorously as I type, since that
makes him the easternmost, by far. And I guess either Spacey or Space
Cadet would be the westernmost, over in Hawaii."

- Danger Mouse.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: "dalton spence" <dalton.spence@canrem.com>
Subject: libertarianism
Reply-To: "dalton spence" <dalton.spence@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:57:25 EST

lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) said the following
about Re: libertarianism...

>It would discourage the little guy from
>ever going to court, unless the outcome was so certain that the
>opponent would settle out-of-court anyway.

SS>This doesn't follow.  The same argument says that the opponent will
SS>settle out of court unless he's so sure of winning that the other
SS>guy wouldn't bring suit in the first place.  What that policy WOULD
SS>discourage are frivolous suits.

Not necessarily so.  If the opponent believed that the admission of
fault the out-of-court settlement implies would be more expensive in
terms of publicity than the court costs of losing the case would be,
the opponent might take what it would consider to be an acceptable
gamble, particularly if the litigant's case was not iron clad.

>The big guys would use
>the court (or the threat of it) as a weapon against smaller opponents
>if it was cost effective to do so.  There goes "fair and equitable
>access".

SS>You don't think they ALREADY do this?

Of course they do!  But at least as it stands the government court
costs are an additional threat to the little guy.  Not to mention
the potential for government corruption inherent in the scheme.  If
the judiciary has a financial stake in the way the trial proceeds,
it can no longer be considered impartial.

However, now I consider it, the imbalance would actually be in favor
of the little guy.  The big guy, being capable of paying higher
court costs, would be more frequently ruled against, and the court
costs would most likely be padded by the court itself.  The scenario
you raised above would become commonplace, and businesses would be
bled to death by extortionate nuisance suits.  Or they might be
forced into illegal actions to avoid litigation.  In any case,
justice would go out the window.

/ Dalton S. Spence  UUCP: canrem!dalton.spence  RIME: ->CRS \
\ Scarborough, Ont. Internet: dalton.spence@canrem.com      /
---
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--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
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From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: Gift Story
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.042724.3170@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
->Then, of course, there's this version:
->
->"'The Gift of the Magi' by O. Henry:

[story deleted...]

Ick!  That's horrible!  I come here for a refuge from that sort of thing in the
rest of the world... 'specially times like this evening, when I've been feeling
a little down.  M'self, I'd prefer not to see such things here, or at least be
warned before I read them...
-- 
dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu				   David "Mishael" Green
		    Have you scritched your local Furry today?
***********************Who ordered the muon? -- I. I. Rabi**********************
	    Unix and the world Unix with you; VAX and you VAX alone.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans,alt.individualism
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:50:34 GMT

In article <Bu8B5G.9uz@well.sf.ca.us>, dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:
>>There are a number of services that only a centralized government can provide.
>
>Name some, say why, and say why they all must be provided by the same
>entity.

I named a few and gave arguments as to why they could only be provided by a
central government in a previous post.  If you don't understand why the free
rider problem implies this, then tell me why you disagree with what I posted
and I'll try to make it clearer to you.

These services need not be provided by the same entity.  They MUST be provided
by entities with coercive powers.  Do you really want more entities with
coercive powers than the minimum necessary?
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.COM (Gillett, David)
Subject: Re: Good Morning, Friends!
Reply-To: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.COM (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:56:13 GMT

Current Name:  Dave Gillett
Alter Egoi:  Exil Q Trob, Mentor the Sage, Barbara Gordon
Birth Date:  Sept 2/57
Birthplace:  London, Ontario, Canada
Residence:   Palo Alto, California, USA
Sex (Genetics and plumbing):  Male
Gender (Social roles):  Exploratory
Sexual Orientation:  Consensual with sapients.
                     Prefer intelligent androgynes or butch females.
Marital Status:  Married to a dyke.
Offspring:  None known or planned
Siblings:  Two sisters, one brother, all younger.
Hair:  Dark brown, receding, just beginning to grey.
       ZZTop-ish red-brown beard.
Eyes:  Hazel with bits of green and/or gold.
Height:  5'6"
Dominant Brain Hemisphere:  Strongly right-handed, yet tend to score very
                            evenly on psychological profiles which purport
                            to measure this.
Physical Deformities:  Detached left alar cartilage, anosmia, myopia.
                       Assorted scars/blemishes associated with normal
                       wear and tear.
Music Preferences:  Eclectic.  PDQ Bach.
Favourite Books:  Brunner, _The Shockwave Rider_.
                  Sterling, _Islands in the Net_.
                  Le Guin, Pratchett, Kernighan & Plauger.
Pet Peeves:  Objectivism, Randroids, Scientology, Skeptics, War on Drugs,
             War on Truth, Traditional Values Coalition, Moral Majority,
             Fundamentalists, Homophobes, Jingoists.
Favourite Movies:  Rocky Horror Picture Show, Casablanca, Dark Star.
Least Favourite Activities:  Cleaning, packing/unpacking.
Most Favourite Activities:  Sex, playing war/strategy games.
Quotes that can be attributed to me:  That's me over there.
             That's just 'a small matter of politics'.
Hobbies:  Writing, reading, naval weaponry and tactics, software design.
          Architecture, video production, marine biology.
Political Affiliation:  Libertarian Socialist.  Atheist/pagan.
Allergies:  Cats, dogs, feathers, dust.  Less serious than formerly.
Occupation:  Temporarily working as a senior software developer.
Favourite Foods:  Sushi, seafood, dim sum, etc.
What I regret most:  Losing touch with former lovers.
Favourite TV shows:  Are You Being Served?, Are You Being Served Again?,
                     Simpsons, Forever Knight, Red Dwarf, Perry Mason,
                     Monty Python's Flying Circus.
Parting words:  Adios, amoebas!


-----------Message forwarded from IPSA Mailbox-------------
From: ceo@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chip Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: east is east, and west is west
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:48:56 GMT
	<1992Sep11.005057.1570@muddcs.claremont.edu>
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.005057.1570@muddcs.claremont.edu> uribe@jarthur.claremont.edu (Lydia Uribe) writes:

>In article <9209102039.AA01460@sparc2.Prime.COM> mdm@sparc2.Prime.COM (Michael D. McAfee) writes:
>>
>>		"So I nominate myself as eastmost Callhanian on the
>>	North American continent (unless there's anyone more east than
>>	Boston)."
>
>Soprano looks up and grins.  "Sorry, Michael -- from June through August,
>I'm in Little Deer Isle, Maine, which is about 2.5 degrees farther east.
>Now, anybody in Nova Scotia? ;-)"

Castellan does likewise.  "Well, if we're going by present location, I may
have you beat-- Prime.com means either Natick or Framingham, if I'm not
mistaken, and I'm in Lexington which is several miles north and a bit east.
Of course, I don't know where your place of residence is.... but Elena/Shad-
owshine (hi up there in the rafters) beats us both, probably- she's on Mass.
Ave in Cambridge between Porter and Harvard Squares."

--
-Chip Olson. | ceo@silver.lcs.mit.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu 
"I get drunk, drinking Guinness with Creme de Menthe in it. It's really
bad for you."  -Shane MacGowan.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Silent night
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:56:50 GMT

mishael says:


>S'far as I remember, 'tis
>	Stille Nacht; Heilige Nacht;
>	Alles schlaeft, einsam wacht,
>	Nur das traute, hochheilige Paar--
>	Holder Knabe im lockigen Haar.
>	Schlaef in himmlische Ruh,
>	Schlaef in himmlische Ruh.
>Forgive me my punctuation... I never do remember how to punctuate songs.
>Probably 'cause music has its own rhythm without punctuation...
>Heh.  I suppose I'm rambling, too.  Then again, this, I suppose, serves as
>notice that I'm back for anyone who's interested...



"of course we are interested....welcome back mishael."

kitten grins...."mudders are always welcome here."
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
From: carrot@bear.stonemarche.org (Little red-headed girl)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Who are these people?
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 10:33:47 EDT

In article <jhitch.714547555@crash> jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:
>Jeffrey Earl Hitchin (Grant Hillcroft)
(some deleted)
>	Actually, a friend of mine turned me onto this place (HI RACHEL) 
>when I was at a pretty low point in college.

	Rachel gives him a hug. "I do my best to bring friends to where
they can be listened to." She turns to the others. "Actually, Jeff/Grant
is the _only_ Callahanian I have ever met in RL... well, the only one 
who still posts, anyway. (I don't remember the persona names of the
others, but they also went to Brandeis.) I'd really like to meet
others... if my boss had been a bit more amenable, I would've gone to
WorldCon." She sighs. "That is an entirely different story and I will
not go into it unless I feel the need to bitch again." A little
green fire lizard flies down to her shoulder and chirps at her.

	"Ah yes, I did reply to a specific subject, didn't I? Here 
goes:

Rachel
Age: 22
Height: 5'2"-5'3" (I used to be 5'3.5", but I think I've shrunk)
Weight: about 30 lbs too much
Eyes: blue-gray
Hair: red
Distiguishing features: what Monty Python calls "large tracts of land,"
	glasses, and red hair that used to be mid-back and is now
	just-below-shoulder
Companion: Soora, a green (female) fire lizard, parent of a dozen others
	in here.

	"I got married in April to a wonderful guy (we'd been living
together a year and dating for two years before that). We waited that long
mostly because an aunt I respect suggested (at my college graduation) that
we wait a year and make sure that we could live together. We're a lot alike,
and she's on her fifth husband, so I did want to make sure I'd made the right
choice. :-) It made my parents happy too- or at least not as upset.

	"I've been posting to Callahans since I got my first email 
account- a cheap tiny one, but it was all I needed. That was, oh...
October 1990? (Grant, that was about when pip was installed, right?)
When my SO and I moved in together we got a uucp node.

	"Anyway, that's enough rambling for now... By the way, I don't
often have time to read news but I _always_ make time for email, and
new "keyboard pals" are welcome.

	"Hey, any new people... I'll buy you a drink."

	She goes to collect hugs from Grant, kitten, DM, Didi, Aahz...
and anyone else who'd like to offer one!
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