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From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Mao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:27:47 GMT


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From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:28:37 GMT
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In article <3SEP199218363281@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> 
s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:

>In article <Bu0KqH.Co5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu 
>writes...
 [ ** lots ** of stuff deleted ]
>3. If you treat Taiwan as a independend country, by selling weapon to
>Taipei (in fact by selling weapon to either side of the Straight) would 
>just promote the straint relation. It is not difference compare to
>Beijing selling weapons to Iran or Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. Why
>does not the West sell weapons to Bosnia even though the desperately
>need weapons to defend themslves? I could not see F-16s used for
>other purpose except agains mainland.

Please read my post on this topic.  The F-16 is poor choice for a close-
support attack aircraft.  It is best in the air-superiority role.  Thus 
the odds of it being used with great effect against the *mainland* are 
slim to nonexistent.  

IMO, its only real use, given the existing force balances and the area's 
geography, is defensive .. to bankrupt the PLA's cross-strait invasion 
option.  

It seems to me that peace is a good thing.  I hope you agree.  

>It is very clear that the arm sells of US, Ukrain and Russia are
>for their own interest -- to help their own economy. It is totaly
>not in the interests of the people on both side of the Straight,
>no matter you pro-independence or unification. I am against all the
>arm deal.
>
>c.q.

Of _course_ they serve the interest of the vendor nations !  Otherwise, 
the deals would not happen !  But IMO, by extending the present strategic 
stalemate across the Strait, this particular deal _does_ also serve the 
interests of the _people_ on both sides of the Strait .. by making war 
*less* likely.  As for the hawks on both sides, they can eat their hearts 
out !  I won't weep.  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: What about Tibet?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:18:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.083303.16636@alf.uib.no> NGFZH@livid.uib.no writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug26.053313.10212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu
>>>So were those christians who believed Jesus refused to punish the
>>>Roman with storm. Do you know how many people they killed in the
>>>"Dark age". Whether Dalai is one of the salves holders is still a
>>>a question for me?
>>>>>Were slave holder, they kill their slaves and use their slave's blood
>>slavery system, you like it or not, that is the fact, the USA practiced
>>slavery just 150 years ago, you can not imagine that either, Dalai
>>Lama did use the slave's blood as a sacrifice, you have difficulty
>>to understand that? Christianality also opposes killing, so what?

But we have to addmit that Christians or people who claim themselves
as Christians killed more innocent people than all other religions
in the world. The fact is that "ChristianalitY" is the most aggressive
religon in the world. I think it is better to deal with Dalai.
It once again prove that Eastern religon is better.


>>
>>Mr. Calvert should not trust his intelligence too much, should base
>>his understanding on the fact, should read more history book published
>>in your own country first. (In your words, the fiction produced by
>>your own government)
>>
>>Ze Yang
>When I visited Qing Hai in 1984, I saw drum made of human skin and rice
>bowl made of human bone!! Those were on exhibition. I was told that those
>were made by the Slave Masters in old Tibet. I just do not believe that
>this was a communist propaganda and those were actually made by somebody
>else. What Dalai says today does not necessarily in accord with what he
>did yesterday and what he will do tomorrow.
>c.q.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hong@mbfys.kun.nl (Hong Zhou)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Nijmegen
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:30:54 GMT

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From: yyg8104@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Question)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Sakamoto
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:10:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


What's the Chinese characters for the name " Sakamoto " ? Anyone can help ?
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:20:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-). Why don't you also want contribution from Mr. Carl?
(The guy post more articles than me. Is that because You can 
tell his arguments are generally illogic?:-)), but 
I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech (appr.):
 "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth in their
military chest
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO river or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. If destruction ever reach us, it must spring
up amongst us, we must be its author and finisher, as a 
country of free men, we must live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, if destruction be
our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
is excited.:-) )

My questions:
1) Which is the original version (by Abraham Lincoln).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese stuff."
By the way, you are not related to CIT at all, are you?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA personel, CIA offered help to them, 
I really cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:24:00 GMT

In article <27AUG199216464135@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes...
>In article <1992Aug27.161109.5235@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes...
>>In article <27AUG199209254080@>s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>>>
>>>>Agree, let the people themselves to decide where they want to live.
>>>>The so called protection bill is just to give Chinese students here
>>>>a chance to choose to stay or to go back. If someone is determined to
>>>>stay, what's the good to force him/her to go back!?
>>> 
>>>The protection bill is not just as simple as give you the choice. If somebody
>>>told your son that he did not have to stay with you, he could stay with him, 
>>>and the guy told you that your son was under his protection. What do you
>>>think? After all, we are not endangered spieces. We do have the ability to
>>>fight for our survival. We do have the right to fight for the better future
>>>of our country. what the hell the protection bill can do
>> 
>>Assume your logic that country=parents is right(which I don't think so),
>>considering the facts that the parents had abused the children for
>>more than 40 years and the children are not happy living with them,
>>I would say they better find a happier life some where else.
> 
>>>Daniel
So, Here is the Hillary!
If a child is abused, the it is up to the judiciary system of the country
not the neighborhood or someone else. Internationally, there is no one
who is supposed to be policemen. Take an example of what you called 
child abuse. When you were young, did your Dad ever slash you on your
face? My Dad did. Do you call that Child Abuse? It is considered Child
Abuse in the US! 
Back to the country=parents logic. I do not have that logic. But country
is at some sense close to a family. One family's rule may not apply to
another family. I do not know whether you believe ABSOLUTE or not. I do
not. If there is not absolute, then there is no right or wrong, only there
is lawful or not. If there is no law, then, no law becomes law. So, do
not bring your law to my family.(I do not mean you personally)
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:11:27 GMT
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <BtoMK1.4KK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>My feeling after reading the People's Daily news is exactly the same as 
>that of mine when I read it before on same topics:  The further away 
>(physically and geographically) a Chinese from the Communist party, the 
>BETTER the party will treat the Chinese.  If the party has NO control of 
>you, you'll be treated as "superior Chinese", if the party has full control 
>of you, you are just a piece of Chinese sh*t in the eyes of the CCP!  
>No wonder there are some Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai guys who stay overseas and 
>ass kiss CCP :-)
>
>Be serious, the question remains:  
>
>Would there be such a "nice, loose and grace" policy towards overseas CSS
>WITHOUT the lobby-for/passage-of Protection Bills by CSS in the U.S.A., 
>Germany, Japan and Australia, and without the "Lenincy Program" offered to 
>CSS by Canadian government????  
>
>Remember how hard those J-1 students cried for elimination of their 
>two-year-home-stay-requirement but got nowhere in 1987-1988 in the U.S. 
>and the Chinese government then even tightened the policy towards 
>overseas CSS ???
>
>Please don't tell me that it's because of the "reform" in China or "support
>Deng for his reform", that kind of garbage doesn't make your visa changed
>from J-1 to H-1/F-1/greencard/be able to stay overseas :-)
>
>And, it's really amazing to see some CSS raising their right hands to grab
>green card, and raising their left hands to ass kiss CCP/support "Deng's
>reform"/paint Deng as an "innocent old man" in June 4th Beijing Massacre.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bo Xiong in Chicago

Gee, I wish this will not shut the whole gang (guess who :-)  ) up.
I can't wait to see any respond from whoever is offended, and I hate to
see if they got no guts to speak out. 

Xioayong Chai
from U of Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:33:13 GMT



yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) wrote:
>Actually, both statement are true, Dalai Lama and most his followers
>were slave holder, they kill their slaves and use their slave's blood 
>as sacrifice.
--
 
This lie is so ridiculous it's pathetic.  You would have us believe that
the Dalai Lama, a man who opposes killing (it is completely against
Buddha Dharma), has killed people and used their blood as a sacrifice?
You insult our intelligence.
 
P.S.  Please don't take this personally. I'm not calling you a liar since
you probably believe this fiction created by your government.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:50:35 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    Re:CCP's new leniency


In article from shiping@max.u.washington.edu
>CCP is doing its best to show a smiling face to students studyingabroad.
>They really need theses students to go back?  Maybe.  However, I think
>their real purpose is quite political,that is they want to calm down the
>harsh critics from foreign countries, so that they can borrow more money
>and do more business with these countries, especially the United States.

       Any ideas of non-political purposes? To get more money and more
       bussiness, what's wrong with that? Seems you are unwilling to
       say that CG needs the students abroad. Do you think CP  more
       like to see that the students abroad keep staying abroad no longer
       back home? If so, why do they let them out?I do think that CG
       hopes the students back.However choices are upto you,although
       CG has tried to take over the choices, making people no choice
       but the  CG order (of course US government regulations as well).
CG has been used to treat itself as master and people as slaves.
To take or give is just a light in its mind.That's the way it
works.

>No matter what purposes are for CCP to show new leniency, my question
>is: shall we trust CCP, or, in other word, is CCP trustable? In order to
 .....

>From this piece of CCP's record, I do not think that I still trust CCP.
>What is your opinion about CCP?

         It's good to see the new policy. Stay tune to see the next
         probablely. CCP seldom says something unchange for 100 years.

         You can list thousands of both good and bad records to support
         any opinions. Believe or not is your judgement.

         If you believe change (positive or negative),do you need to
         raise this sort of questions? Seems holding GC makes you
         more trust CCP and the untrust makes you grab GC.

         X Xu
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: English Usage
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:42:59 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang) writes: 
>>
>>4 pounds - 3 pounds = 1 pound
> 
>  From what I learned, the plural form of `person' is `people', although there
> are other usages of `people'.  The plural `persons' is also used, and these
> two plural forms have differently emphasized meanings (I cannot be sure which
> should be used in a certain occasion, though).

  The discussion reminds me of this most stupid thing (I think) in English.
You say 1 meter, 2 meters, 10 meters, 0.5 meters, 0.001 meters, and you
even have to say -72 meters, -0.975 meters, and of course, ZERO METERS!  
Everything except 1 is plural.  Now what about -1?  Is it singular? :-)

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24766 soc.culture.taiwan:12858 soc.culture.hongkong:10452
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:19:32 GMT
Organization: New York University

li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:


>In article <1992Sep4.152707.3933@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes...
>> 
>>will fight to my last breath to resist invasion from China.

>Military take-over? Many mainlanders will fight to the last breath as you,
>dont worry.

>Tom


Wait a second, gentlemen! Please save your last breaths. In Chinese history, 
most war victims have died innocent deaths. Usually people either prevail
or surrender. Besides, you never know what a war is really about.


- Li, Qiang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24599 soc.culture.japan:7616 soc.history:7988
From: yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Shooting in Concordia University, Canada
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:30:23 GMT

Last year, most SCC readers would rather insist that Lu Gang
was crazy.  But I believe that abuse and fraud is wide spread
phenominon.

A similar incident happened in Concordia Universty.  To know more
detail, read sci.research.careers.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:32:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.053714.17915@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <9224512.27022@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>Hey, guys and girls,
>>
......
>
>Not interested.  I am not interested in making China, or any nation, a
>superpower.  That will bring that country uncontested leverage elsewhere in
>the world, and create problems for other nations.

I don't care the problems in other countries. The problem is that
superpowers get into troubles themselves. Now they even don't know how
to digest their defence industry.

Tingli Pan
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 6
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:50:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 6) 

In 28 BC, the official imperial histories of China begins a sunspot
record that continues until 1628 AD; the record of 28 BC mentions " a
black vapor as large as a coin".

In 15 BC, a Chinese Yang Hsing indicates in his Dictionary of local 
expressions that the Chinese have invented the belt drive, which will
not be known in Europe until 1430 AD.

Between 10 BC and 1 BC, the Chinese invent methods for drilling deep
wells (to obtain salt water and natural gas); the well reach 1460 m
(4800 ft).

Between 1 BC and 9 AD, a Chinese mathematician (Liu Hsin) is the first 
person known to have used a decimal fraction; the Chinese build
suspension bridges of cast iron that are strong enough for vehicles to
cross; the semi-legendary Chinese (Ko Yu) invents the wheelbarrow; the
earliest known depiction of a ship's rudder is made in China; an
adjustable caliper is in use in China.

Between 70 AD and 79 AD, the Grand Canal of China, eventually 965 km
long, is started.

In 84 AD, two Chinese (Fu An and Chia Kuei) improve on the armillary
ring for locating stars by combining a ring that shows the equator with
one that shows the sun's motion through the sky (the ecliptic).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:14:00 GMT

cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:

>    >  Top ten most fashionable words:

>    >  10.  you jerk
>    >   9.  you idiot
>    >   8.  you hypercrotic
>    >   7.  dogshit
>    >   6.  bullshit
>    >   5.  what-so-ever shit
>    >   4.  ass
>    >   3.  asshole
>    >   2.  f**k

>    >   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:

>    >   you communist running dog!  

>Good summary.  I often browse other news group, and I seldom see
>these words and accusation in other groups.  There are many
Are you sure, Mr. Chung? Have you checked soc.culture.asian.american
You can learn a lot more from those Chinese American idiots.

>without resorting to slanders, shouts, condescending or vulgar
>words?  When can we learn to agree to disagree?
Take it easy.
>-cw-
>C.W.Chung       Objectivity Inc.      Object-Oriented DBMS  Tel: 415/688-8023

Ze Yang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Questions about "Shen Tong (grabbed)"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:00:58 GMT

In article <2AA6AD21.13228@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>I do not know who Shen Tong is, but have some simple questions about his/her 
>arrest:
>
>...
>3.  My brother, for example, stays in CHina.  Why the Chinese government did 
>    not arrest him?
>
>4.  Some of my friends travel back and forth between the US and CHina almost
>    on monthly basis.  Why the Chinese government did not arrest them?
>
>5.  Neither the Chinese government nor the US government likes to arrest me.
>    Why?  I understand that I may mean nothing to some gocernments.  But to
>    show you mean something, you do not have to be in custody.

	The answers to these questions are so obvious :-)
	Your brother & friends do not hurt the CCP's 
	interests and her power. She probably welcome them with open
	arms (not weapons of course) if they actually help to consolidate
	her power :-) 

>6.  Being protected by someone or by some organization or by some governments
>    is not a hero thing.  Agree?  If those d-fighters are really
>    Niu(bufflo)Pi(skin)Hong(bomb)Hong(bomg), why didn't they arrest those
>    CCP guys instead of being arrested by CCP?

	I am confused; if he is protected why is he arrested?
	Sure, some organizations will put pressure on CCP to
	release him; but putting yourself in his position, there
	are still great uncerntainties and how many people will
	take that risk? At least not me.

	If Chinese people has the power to arrest CCP members,
	then there would not be CR and TAM etc. What's your point?

>7.  Being mouth-ly strong only, does not fix anything.  Agree?

	Gee, I thought the guy not only said it but also did it;
	what do you have to complain about his big mouth? 

	When people don't open their mouth, things will not be fixed
	for certain.

	I think I need a disclaimer here: I not from PRC, not TIer,
	no d-fighter, heck, I don't even sure I agree with Shen at all.

Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong