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From: u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: JAG  Fire In The Temple
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:28:40 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania

In article <1992Sep25.112827.7073@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
> I haven't seen any info on the new JAG album (Fire In The Temple), so here we
> go!
> 
> This new one is great!  Probably not as good as "The Only World In Town", but
> it runs close.  The first song, Stand By Love, sounds like a poppish King's X
> tune.  Also it has an interesting "yelling" chorus.
>         The second, Invisible Man, talks about the person who is into
> "churchianity" instead of Christianity.  This is a great tech-sounding song. 
> An it has a kill clean guitar solo near the end.
>         Also on this disc, Streams In The Desert, is a cool mellow song.  It's
> written by Billy Smiley and was also on the new Imperials CD. (pretty sure)
> 
> Anyway, if you enjoyed any of the other JAG albums or liked them when they
> toured with WhiteHeart, then this disc is a good buy.
> 
> 
> JAG   Fire In The Temple
> 
> 


     Does the whole band actually play on this album??  I'd like to hear them 
and not session muso's (but I do admit I love the last two albums!)

               The DOK
From: superc@phazer.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian ftp sites?
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:34:14 GMT
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Distribution: world
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: phazer.ksu.ksu.edu


yes...
on Wuarchive in /doc/bible, there is online bible 5.0 (i hope it's still there)
it eats about 20 Megs though, but memory requirements are minimum. I have a list
with a christian gif sight somewhere around here...I cant seem to find it. Hope
this helps
-- 
Shawn E. Chase             "Live like you'll die tomorrow,
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu         die knowing you'll live forever."
aka Tha Hood of Good        -Rich Mullins 'Live Right'
        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Performance package
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:24:51 EST

snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41) writes:
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Questions for further thought:
> Why do churches bother signing up and paying CCLI if they are 
> exempt?

copying of printed material. it's kinda hard for a choir to perform with
only one copy of the music. actually, without CCLI, the church shouldn't
have even one copy, since that doesn't fall under fair (personal) use.

> Why do artists bother copyrighting their material?

the same reason programmers do. so someone else can't put their own name
on it & sell it as theirs. also realize that there are -lots- of things
that aren't considered fair use. i've never said that artists shouldn't
be compensated for those.

> Why do CCM artists get explicit permission to perform each other's 
> work? 

'cause they're playing for profit & not as a part of a religious
ceremony. it's all there if you bother to read it. as i said, there
are -lots- of things that aren't considered fair use. playing for
profit is one of them.

> Let me try to give you a taste of the other side of this discussion.
> I currently hold  ten copyrights of my own original work.  In the 
> next few months I will be submitting two more.  Creating the work 
> takes time. Going through the copyright process takes time and 
> money.  If you wish to use my original material, great, but I would 
> like to be compensated in some way.  Please delay your flames about 
> how greedy I am for a second. It takes work to create and the 
> workman is worthy of his wages.

bravo. i couldn't agree more. there does come a point where compensation
becomes overly restrictive & hurts more than it helps. the authors of
title 17 realized this & specified those situations. if you don't like
them, move to a country that requires royalties for every use.

i've talked to people who do radio under such restrictions & the end
result is that new or unknown artists are -very- unlikely to get any
play at all, because no one wants to spend money on an unknown. in
order to compete with artists from more open countries (ie, the US of A)
you get things like Canadian content laws, which adds to the red tape
and the situation gets worse...

> If you work a 40 hour, 5 day workweek you expect to get paid right?
> And you expect to get paid whether you slap hamburgers, write code,
> repair transmissions, or harvest wheat.  The workman is worth of his
> wages.  Why oh why is this different?

*sigh* for the tenth time, it's not. if you don't like the law, fine.
get it changed. i, for one, am glad our government hasn't decided to
intrude on this issue any more than it has, and will try to keep it 
that way.

jason "just another libertarian" steiner

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Subject: Re: Avenue G
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:13:22 GMT


	When I saw them (also with Rich Mullins) they had two albums, both
on Ransomed Records.  I only know the name of one of them--  The Path.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: globalWAVEsystem & DEITIPHOBIA news
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:31:00 GMT

urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu writes...
>Question:
>since I have "Fear of God," "Digital Priests," and the SLAVA Compilation
>tape, do I have all of DONDER/PHOBIA?

as far as I know, the complete donder/PHOBIA collection is:
donderfleigen  "Digital Priests"  (demo-cassette)   SLAVA
Deitiphobia    "Fear of God"                        SLAVA/Blonde Vinyl
Deitiphobia    "Digitial Priests: The Remixes"      SLAVA/Blonde Vinyl
Various        "SLAVA Compilation: Voice of..."     SLAVA/Blonde Vinyl

The donderfleigen cassette ain't for sell no more, and I don't assume any more
of it will be made seeing as how they remixed 'em and rereleased it. 

>Question #2: How is it you come about this semi-authorized stuff? I might wanna
>keep in touch with you!!! And what is Christian E! the name of? I know and
>like the global WAVE system despite the fact I know only one song by them.
>Do they have a tape out yet? I would be interested in being able to find it.
>I also really like The November Commandments and Icon Tack. I've found the
>November Commandments tape in True News magazine, but it's a hefty price for
>this rare tape. Comments? I'm  listening!

uh.....let's just say that Christian E! is "in the know" with gWs  :)
and I'm sure that he can provide you with a lot more information on gWs
than I could. Personal information, if you know what I mean. *nudge nudge*
*grin grin* *wink wink* say no more.

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From: tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Seattle (WAS: Re: Looking for Soundgarden-style Christian Band)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:00:00 GMT

merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk) writes...
>A related question: What about Seattle-based Christian bands, any style?
>There is obviously a lot of music in that town.  What are the Christians
>up to?

A company called Fearless Donkey has put out a sampler CD of bands in and
around the Seattle area (including Oregon and Vancouver, I believe). I don't
happen to have the address with me right now, but there are around 14 or so
bands on it and various alternative styles. The CD is called "Songs from the
Rain Factory."  I think the price is $7, but I am not positive on that.
Anyone who wants more info on Fearless Donkey and/or this CD send me a note
and I'll get that info to you.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: anyone know about the Warning?
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:12:57 EST

Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
> steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
> >
> > [ Warning query munched by the lineeater ]
>
> The last I heard, a few years ago, the Warning moved to the desert 
> of California and broke up.

*sigh* just my luck. this "Die Happy" band sounds interesting tho'.
want to tell me a little more about? lyrics even?

jason

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From: u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: King's X: Legal Kill
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:23:58 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania

In article <1992Sep26.142158.11042@waikato.ac.nz>, jcc@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
> Greetings netters!
> 
> I wonder if some kind soul has the music for the King's X song "Legal Kill"

> Anyway, if you have the chords or tab or whatever, could you pls. send it
> to me via mail, or post to this newsgroup? thanks a heap.
> 
> Blessings,
> John.
> 
> jcc@waikato.ac.nz
> 
> 
 Please post it to the net! I wannit too!!   Thanx.


              The DOK
From: pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil. (Paul M. Franceus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Positng of Leslie Phillips "Your Kindness" (oops)
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:45:22 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Sep24.171723.10501@afterlife.ncsc.mil>  
pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil. (Paul M. Franceus) writes:
> 
> Hello-
> 
> I thought I would get around to posting this since I have gotten so much from
> all of you:
> 
> Your Kindness by Leslie Phillips
> --------------------------------
> 
> This is transcribed from her rendering on "Recollection" and so is no more  
than
> Leslie and her guitar, I much prefer this version
> 
> The entire song is played by picking the root note of the chord and then 
> picking 4-3-2-3-4-3.  The song is in 3/3 time
I screwed up!  actually, the picking sequence is 3-2-3-4-3 (drop the first 4)

Paul
From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian music makers (was Re: Awesome God)
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:23:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep24.061545.27209@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kwright@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Wright) writes:
>>>Speaking of groups, it'd be neat to have a discussion with people who 
>>>are in music leading at their church, with tricks of the trade, etc.
>>I'll follow you there, I help lead worship once a month at my church and
>>am the offical "roadie" for our InterVarsity worship team.
>>
>>Mike Krupicka
>
>I have picked music and played piano for a monthly youth service for the
>past 4 and a half years. That doesn't include playing twice a week at
>church. We have collected songs over the past years so we have quite a
>few to pick from. Favorites include Michael Card, Rich Mullins, F.
>Kendrick (sp?).
>
>I don't know what kind of discussion you wanted to get started,
>but there's my two cents worth (and my first post to this group 8-).
>We finally have CCLI permission too.

Oooops.... I forgot to post the other article I said I would to get the
discussion going.

Well, I wanted to discuss things like:

- What kind of group you're in
	We have a pianist (me), a keyboardist (Jonathan Powell, my roommate),
	two singers, and two guitarists.  We do music for the Sunday evening
	student-led worship service.

- Choosing songs 
	We had one medley we used several times, and we got comments from
	people who were tired of hearing it over and over, to my surprise.

	We're also this year trying to do more than 'fake it' on some of
	our songs - like purchasing the music and each doing our own
	thought-out-in-advance part.  Anyone had any luck with this?

- Rehearsing effectively
	Any hints greatly appreciated.  We generally have pretty decent
	rehearsals, but too often chaos prevails.

And so on...

Adios,
  Logan
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From: jkg@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Greenlee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Metallica
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:53:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <69903@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>Could your disapproval of the album lie within the song "The God That 
>Failed?"   I think (not 100% sure) that James Hetfield's parents were
>Xian Scientists, and i heard that he harbored resentment against some of
>their beliefs...

This is correct - James Hetfield said in an intereview that the song was
written specifically about an incident in which a young girl (the "child to
save") in their community cut herself on a rusty nail (the "deepened nail").
The injury became seriously infected, and the girl died. The parents, of
course, refused medical treatment which would have saved the girl's life.
The incident apparently had a profound effect on Hetfield (and probably
contributed to undermining has belief in his parent's religion).

-JimG

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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:01:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:

>                              ...The people in our church have little
> knowledge of CCM, because there is no radio station around from which
> to hear any music of this type.  Therefore, they have no way of finding
> out which music/artists they might like.
> 
> I would like to be able to provide a way for them to hear different
> artists/styles without having to purchase new tapes...
> I've been wondering if it was "o.k." to create a sampler tape containing
> one or two songs from various artists.  This would allow people to get
> an idea what each artist sounds like...
>                 ...However, I'm just not sure if this is moral/legal or 
> not.  
>
> What do you say?

And a chorus of people have said "Definitely not you sinner, you" ...

My suggestion? Many publishers are very reasonable people, and if they
think that they can get some revenue, without having to work too hard for
it,they'll bite. I'd try the following:

Write out all of the titles/artists/publishers. Segregate them according to
label or major distributor (e.g. Word, Sparrow, Benson, etc.)

Get a phone number for each label from your local bookstore. This may not be
the person you need to talk to, but that person will be able to get you the
"right" number. Explain exactly what you want to do, exactly how many copies
you intend to make, and exactly how they are to be used. They will want it in
writing, usually, and after getting a small fee in cash (which they might
waive), they will send you a letter (or perhaps an invoice), authorizing the
copying (e.g. a "mechanical license"). Be flexible.

This day and time, they might point you to CCLI, which kind of acts as a
clearinghouse for most of the copying requests they used to get hassled with.
Unfortunately, whay you want to do is not something CCLI handles...

The key to being able to do this is 1) be reasonable and courteous, 2) make
it easy for them to do (this is why you have a written list you can mail/fax
in), and 3) remember you are talking to an employee of a company who must do
his/her best to do the things that are worthwhile enough to justify his/her
salary.

Sound like a lot of work??? Then go to your deacons and get a budget.

Bob (I have gotten ML's before...really!) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com

<what a wonderful thing is a $3500 music budget...;->
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: U2's de-nomination
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:12:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.123341.3919@spider.co.uk> alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
>Well I think that is the case.  I do not think you can rebuke a
>society until you have lived in it and know it, and I do not think you
>can rebuke a person you do not first know and love.
>
>>Do we need to know a prostitute personally to know that they are sinning?
>
>We need to know him/her personally to know why s/he made that choice -
>to feed the kids, for fear of a pimp...  I'm not saying here that
>prostitution is right - but how can you tell someone they are a
>sinner, without being in a position to help them deal with the
>concequences of ceasing that sin (providing alternative employment,
>getting pimp arrested, whatever...)

I don't necessarily agree that you can't tell someone they are sinning
without knowing them personally and the circumstances surrounding the
choice.  What if you catch somebody cheating on their spouse?  Do you
tell them it's wrong, or do you try to ingratiate yourself into their
life as a trusted friend before daring to tell them something's wrong?
I would have no problem telling them that they are sinning.  Same with
the prostitute - I don't care what tough "choices" drove her to it, I
would still tell her it's a sin, as well as tell her about the harmful
consequences of her actions.  Mind you, I'm not saying that I would
simply tell somebody and then run off and leave them to their own
devices with no further help or input from me.  *But* I see no reason
to wimp out and pull the punches, to keep from telling it like it is.

All IMHO.  :^)

			--Michael

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rjd4507@zeus.tamu.edu (Ray De Frese)
Subject: Michael Card concert schedule
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:20:00 GMT


	I heard Michael Card was going to be in Texas soon, 
	specifically the Dallas area. Does anyone have any
	more information on this or on any other dates on
	the tour? Thanks.

	En agape,
	Ray De Frese
	Texas A&M
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Metallica
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:35:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>I like Metallica. Now, I'm a registered Republican, besides the fact 
that I'm a Christian, so I don't agree with their views politically or morally.
But I still like their music.


Just curious...  What does being a Republican have to do with disliking
Metallica's moral standpoint?

Attention:  This is not a flame.  If it were a flame, the question you just
heard would have been followed by ad hominem attacks and meaningless 
diatribes.  Repeat:  Thisis not a flame.


-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 

From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:16:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Michael Card's guitar playing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:

> But the reason I'm posting at all is because of his guitar playing...
>                                      ...Finally the strange truth dawned on
> me -- he didn't re-string his guitar for left-handed playing, he just took
> a right-handed guitar and PLAYS IT UPSIDE DOWN!  The high strings are up
> top, and the low strings are on the bottom!
> 
> Truly weird.  (Wish I could play as well as he does, though. :)

I wonder if that's why 90% of his songs seem to be in A minor ... maybe 
that's the only "easy" key upside down....

"Scandalon" has three Am songs in a row! ("gimme another key, Mike, please...,
please....AAAAARGHHHHHHHHH!")


Bob (I play my guitar like everyone else...sort of ;-) Miller
From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: LSU/Breakfast w/ Amy
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:21:06 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <Iekp_cu00aw5Q_dFEC@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christina Marie Smith <cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> One more question - I have BWA's Everything... and just got Love Gift,
> but never got around to investing in Dad and haven't heard anything off
> of it yet either.  Is it worth buying, and how does it compare to the
> other two albums?

Well, now that you mention it, Dad is a FANTASTIC BW/A tape. Since I have
ne'er heard their prior tape I can't compare to it, but I do know this: since
you have product#love 3484 (love gift), you already know two of the fine songs
from Dad: One and Ad America. I personally thought that they were a little
more serious on Dad than they were on Love Gift (you gotta admit it's a
pretty hil' tape). But if you haven't heard songs like Me, Tell Mama, So It
Goes, and Come On Joan, you must find it! No B'fast collection is complete
without it.
							Richard Vance.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT)
Subject: Re: Performing songs
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:19:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

> >   I did play with the CCC band last Thursday night here at the University
> >of Maine at Orono)... CCC means Campus Crusade for Christ by the way....
> >We played Kenny Marx's "Nobody Else But Jesus"   I know that this is
> >copyrighted, but I dont' think that any of us even thought of the laws on this.
> <I don't think that there's any problem, since we didn't make any money off of
> >it, but I think that if Kenny Marx was in the audience even, he wouldn't have
> >said a thing.  :)
> 
> Dear friend,
> 
> I don't want to flame you or put you on the spot, but I think you are
> wrong.

  I must protest.  What LAW are you referring to?  Opinions are like noses...
everyone has one.  I suggest someone who knows the LAW reply.

John.     JHIATT@SIM.ES.COM