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From: kirwin@us.oracle.com (Kevin Irwin)
Subject: District Meets
Summary: District VIII results
Keywords: XCountry, District, Results
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Distribution: rec.running
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:01:17 GMT
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   Here are the results from the District VIII NCAA qualifier meet in Tucson
   last Saturday:
   (* = national qualifier)

          MEN                            WOMEN
  *Arizona           27           *Washington        90
  *Oregon            64           *Arizona           94
   Washington        84           *Oregon            94
   Stanford          95            Stanford         106
   UCLA             142            UCLA             122
   UC-Irvine        165            UC-Irvine        129
   Portland         198            CS-Fullerton     161
   California       206            Washington State 183
   UC-Santa Barbara 223            Arizona State    221
   CS-Fullerton     230            Portland         244
   Reno             300            Long Beach State 278
   Arizona State    323            CS-Northridge    294
   San Diego        391            CS-Sacramento    355
                                   St Mary's        374

*J. Kapkroy   Washington 30:41.7  *L. Watson     Stanford   17:20.37
*G. Stolz     Stanford   30:45.3   T. Carlson    Washington 17:31.42
 M. Keino     Arizona    31:10.9   K. Williams   Arizona    17:34.07
 J. Galindo   Arizona    31:20.0  *T. Goddrich   UC-Irvine  17:35.88
 J. Rodriguez Arizona    31:28.2   H. VanBorkulo Oregon     17:41.57

   Looks like Arizona was ready for Oregon this time.  If you do the math,
 you see Arizona's 5th man was no worse than 9th, so they must have had
 quite a pack.  Of course, they had the home course advantage.  Does anyone
 know if this was the same course as nationals last year?
   The women's team race looks like it was pretty close with the 3 top teams
 only separated by 4 points.
   As for the national qualifiers, I'm going by what I remember of the
 standards: Top two teams, top three individuals not on a qualifying team.
 There are however, some floating bids which are awarded as well, and some
 districts get 3 team bids and 4 individuals for their large size.  However,
 I don't recall if District VIII meets the size standard.
   Notes about nationals:
   No matter how Arkansas does in District VI, good or bad, it is pretty
 irrelevant to naionals, because they never run their top 7 at the District
 meet.  Instead, they run their second team, as they have that much depth.
 And considering how they ran last year at Nationals (runners finishing
 2-3 as I recall, both of which are back this year), I have to go with
 Arkansas for their third (correct me if I'm wrong) straight NCAA title.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hankin@sauron.osf.org (Scott Hankin)
Subject: Re: Exersize and calories burned
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:00:27 GMT

pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper) writes:

><hankin.721586646@osf>
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>In article <hankin.721586646@osf> hankin@sauron.osf.org (Scott Hankin) writes:
>>
>>    The formula I've seen is
>>
>>       calories burned = body weight (Kg) * kilometers run

>According to this equation, the number of calories burned would
>be the same regardless of whether or not one walked or ran over
>a particular distance.  It's pounds over miles, no matter what.


>-- 
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>NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
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    Indeed.  I've actually read that in several sources.  While it might
    seem counter-intuitive, it all depends on how you look at it.  Example:
    how can running 5 miles @ 8 minutes a mile burn the same calories as
    walking 5 miles @ 12 minutes a mile?  Consider a 170 lb individual
    covering those 5 miles.  According to the formula, this person will burn
    ~625 calories.  The runner burns them in 40 minutes.  The walker burns
    them in an hour.  The runner is burning ~940 calories an hour, compared
    to the walker's 625.  The speed at which you travel affects the rate at
    which you burn the calories.  If both people were to exercise for an
    hour, the runner would burn 315 more calories.  As it is, the runner
    just finishes 20 minutes sooner for the same caloric output, because of
    the higher rate of effort.

- Scott
-- 
Scott Hankin (hankin@osf.org)
Open Software Foundation
11 Cambridge Center
Cambridge, MA 02142
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Shoes need rest too
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:48:52 GMT

	I found this in the latest 'Road Runner Sports' catalog.  While
definately not the definitive source on running advice, this little article
makes sense.  Hope there's nothing wrong with posting the article . . .

Two Pairs are Better than Three
-------------------------------
	Experts agree that your body performs better when you regularly take
a day off from running.  Did you know that the same is true for your shoes?
	Performance and durability actually increases when your shoes take a 
day off.
	Obvisouly, letting your shoes dry out enhances comfort and wearability.
But recovery of midsole resiliency (spring) and cushioning needs to take place
too.  It's like pounding a large sponge with your fist,  At first the sponge
absorbs the blow completely; but as you pound, it flattens out and the 
cushioning is diminished.  If you alternate between sponges, allowing each
to spring back between blows, the cushioning last longer.  Alternating between
two pairs of shoes has the same effect.
	Look at the life cycle of a running shoe. You break it in, enjoy it,
then it breaks down.  You buy the next pair and go through the same process.
Two out of three of those phases are less than ideal.  Nagging little problems
and injuries that come with breaking in new shoes or wearing shoes that are
"over the hill" can hinder your training.  By alternating between pairs, you're
making the middles phase, when your shoes are broken-in, last longer and that
means less risk of injury and greater enjoyment from your training.
	Studies show that two pairs of shoes worn alternately perform as well
and last as long as three pairs worn consecutively.  It's like getting three
pairs for the price of two.  The initial expense is greater, but in the long
run, you're more likely to prevent injury.  Try the two pair approach.  You'll
get hooked.



	All the credit goes to 'Road Runner Sports' as it is their article.
Though it might be a way to get people to buy two pairs of shoes from them, it
makes sense to me.

Thanks for the time,
-- 
       --    O          The thrill is                   Eric J. Lorenzo
     ---   </\_      not just in winning,       lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
   ----  -\/\         but in the courage                  also @UCSU
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rayman@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Raymond Goure)
Subject: RE: Open season on runners (jogger is killed)
Organization: US WEST Information Technologies
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:38:02 GMT



In the state of Colorado hunting accidents are less than 10 a year. This in a 
state with the largest big game seasons in the lower 48. I'm a native and have
enjoyed the outdoors all of my life, I'm also a hunter. In Colorado it is 
illegal to be in a state hunting area during big game season without 500 sqr inches
of blaze orange on the upper body, and wear a blaze orange hat. Nearly all of the
shooting accidents in the state are around vehicles (like 80%). Finally, 3 seasons back the state suffered no accidents and attributed this to education. 

I run 50 mile weeks out of the Denver downtown area and am keenly aware of the traffic laws, thus keeping safe in an area of great harm. Be aware of your surroundings and we won't have to suffer another lose.


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Runner killed
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:38:13 GMT

In article <1ebah5INNldv@agate.berkeley.edu>,
cah@mycenae.cchem.Berkeley.EDU (Charlie A. Henze) writes:
|>| The shooter is at least criminally negligent, and more likely is
|>| gun toting, crotch scratching, whiskey swilling in-bred hill
|>| billy who hangs out in the woods looking for 'runner-boys' with
|>| pretty mouths.
|>
 No, I think that river valley was flooded.
|>Sure, just blame the hill-billy...
|>Personally, I wouldn't hunt with a shotgun.  But, maybe
|>he didn't have a rifle?
|>Maybe he was hungry for deer stew (it's great if you have never
|>had it).  
|>But seriously, I think the runner should know what kind of area
|>he is into.  Some people have already posted that perhaps
|>we (runners) shouldn't assume safety in every place all the time.
|>
 "Perhaps"?? ..... Yes, I'd say that would be a rather elementary
 piece of advice for anyone, not just runners. The only thing that
 seems surprising or shocking about this thread are the number of
 people who are apparently surprised that this could happen in the
 first place.
|>For example, I don't go running into West Oakland after dark.
|>I'm not going push my right-to access even though they are
|>public streets.
|>
|>-- 
|>Charlie Henze, cah@iris.cchem.berkeley.edu
|>-----------------------------------------------------------------
|>OLYMPICS RESULTS:  Men's 100m
|>WR  9.86  Carl Lewis (USA) ... OR  9.92  Carl Lewis (USA)
|>1.   LINFORD CHRISTIE, BRITAIN, 9.96. 
|>2.   FRANKIE FREDERICKS, NAMIBIA, 10.02. 
|>3.   DENNIS MITCHELL, USA, 10.04. 
|>-----------------------------------------------------------------
                           
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From: tmr@faceplnt.dr.att.com (54626-RebmanTM(DR1867)000)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Anyone use Brooks Hydroflow
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: tmr@drutx!att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, DCTT, Denver, Co.

I am on the brink of getting back into running after a broken ankle
and a low grade respiratory infection.  I currently have a pair
of Nike Anodynes and they seem to give me some slight knee problems.
I won't buy Asics anymore due to their mail-order shennanigans.  I thinking
about Brooks Fission (Fusion??).  Anybody used this model or Brooks
Hydroflow's in general??  How do you like 'em?

-- Tom (tmr@drutx.att.com)
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Advice on technique???
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.044731.29682@umbc3.umbc.edu>,
cs631112@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs631112) writes:
|>
|>The advice I have been following, gleaned from a combination of magazines,
|>books, talks with physiologists, and guesswork, is:
|>
|>Your optimum stride length = your natural stride length.  There is not
|>much you can do to change it.
|>
 I believe in this too. A concious effort to change one's stride seems to
 rarely produce the desired result. However, I think that one can fall
 into a new "natural" stride by becoming more flexible. Someone earlier
 had made the analogy between the legs and pendulums. Where, given the legs
 length, weight, strength etc., a given stride is produced (or something
 like that). I think that if the pendulum is allowed to swing further, by
 increasing flexibility, a new longer stride could be attained.

 I noticed this myself when I spent a few months doing some martial arts
 training (boy! do they stress flexibility) and my running stride seemed
 to just get longer on its own.
|>Increased speed comes from quicker turnover.  This is developed through
|>speedwork (running intervals slightly faster than your intended race
|>speed with recoveries between to allow you to keep it up.)
|>
|>Endurance comes from going out and slogging miles.  Ain't no other way.
|>
|>I hope this helps.
|>-- 
|>                        Joshua Engel    |\
|>                        President,      |/ urgatorio
|>                    	                |  roductions
|>
                   
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: Runner killed
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.143813.23498@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>In article <1ebah5INNldv@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>cah@mycenae.cchem.Berkeley.EDU (Charlie A. Henze) writes:
>|>But seriously, I think the runner should know what kind of area
>|>he is into.  Some people have already posted that perhaps
>|>we (runners) shouldn't assume safety in every place all the time.
>|>
> "Perhaps"?? ..... Yes, I'd say that would be a rather elementary
> piece of advice for anyone, not just runners. The only thing that
> seems surprising or shocking about this thread are the number of
> people who are apparently surprised that this could happen in the
> first place.

It is entirely consistent to assume that you are never safe
and still to be surprised and even shocked when a tragic incident
such as this happens.
It's all in the probabilities.
I take a chance and run in thunderstorms at times,
I'm aware that this is not completely safe, but I still would
be shocked (no pun intended) to be hit by a lightning bolt.

OBVIOUSLY we're never completely safe, and OBVIOUSLY we
exercise common sense to avoid danger.
But each individual decides how much freedom they are willing
to sacrifice for the sake of safety.
I will indulge in the pleasure of running in the fall
in a game preserve even though I realize there is
a danger, hopefully of low probability,  of illegal hunting there.
If I am shot, I expect the illegal hunter to be blamed and to
suffer punishment.

The intent of my original posting was first to make
people aware of this particular danger and, second,
to try to reduce the danger.
This is not equivalent to lightning which we have no control
over. In the case of lightning it's OK to blame only the victim.
In this case, we have some contol over the hunters by law and penalties.
I expect the hunter to be blamed.
The danger can be reduced both by educating runners to be aware
of the hunting danger,
and by further controlling and restricting hunters.

John Schwebel
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Personal narrative on running my first marathon
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.200820.6519@news.eng.convex.com>, bier@convex.com
(George Bier) writes:
|>
|>... I generally enjoy when other people post their experiences at
|>a race, and for those of you who also share those feelings, hopefully
|>you will enjoy my contribution.  
|>
|>--george bier (bier@convex.com)  Convex Computer Corp, Dallas, TX.
|>

Good article. Thanks George.

As far as your next marathon, you may find that when the going gets
tough (and especially if the weather is warmer) it may be very hard
to keep the same pace. Don't try to do more than you are prepared for.

Good luck,
Chris

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passier@x400gate.bnr.ca |squeak....creak....squeak...creak...squeak....
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Nike Air Pegasus vs. Air Anodyne
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:48:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov19.025405.19915@news.Hawaii.Edu> ross@tarski.tmc.edu (David Ross) writes:
>
>Is the Air Anodyne built on the same last as the Pegasus?  If so,
>how do they compare on support/cushioning/stability?
>

    I used Pegasus for quite awhile about 5 or so years ago.  I tried a
pair of Anodynes this summer, and it was a disaster.  My plantar fasciitis
returned with a vengence, and up until then I had been pretty asymptomatic.
I know several others with similar stories, although I know one guy who
actually tore his fascia and recovered while wearing Anodynes.  Each to his
own, I guess, but in my circle of running friends, the reviews on Anodynes
are running fairly negatively.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (William Hodgeman Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: "Turntec" Running shoes????
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:36:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hodgeman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Nov23.133243.12391@waikato.ac.nz>, by rel@waikato.ac.nz:
> I was just wondering if "Turntec"(sp?) running shoes are available in North
> America? Here in New Zealand they are advertised on the TV by Alison Roe
> (winner of New York marathon) and Rod Dixon. Are they any good and how much do
> they cost? (US$). They are designed in the US but the ones available here in NZ
> are made under licence in China (what isn't these days !!). Any comments ??
> 
> 
> Rob.

Yes, they are available in the US.  I have seen them in stores,
but Roadrunner Sports, a mail-order catalog also sells them.
Prices from $45-$75.  There isn't that big of a selection.
I use them and I haven't noticed any problems.

Bill
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:37:39 -0500 
From: Brandon Chin <bj+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Racing wheelchairs

Hi, I don't know where I should be posting this, but I guess I should
start somewhere...
I'm interested in finding information about getting involved in
wheelchair racing.  I don't know the exact name for this sport, but its
the one where the "wheelchair" is actually a hybrid of a bicycle and a
wheelchair and the driver leans over like a cycle.
Where can I find info on how to get my hands on one of these
chairs/bikes?  Any pointers will be most helpful.  I'm particularly
interested in shops that might handle this sort of thing (preferably at
a reasonable price) in either Pittsburgh, PA or New York City.
 
Thanks in advance,
-Brandon.
From: mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Nike Air Pegasus vs. Air Anodyne
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:49:38 GMT
Reply-To: mdk@udev.cdc.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Control Data Systems

I am on my 3rd pair of Anodynes and have not had any problems with
them at all.  I, too, used to wear the Pegasus until my weekly
mileage outgrew them.  Now for the *bad* news, I was chatting
with a local running store owner last Saturday and it seems that
in January Nike will be replacing the Air Anodyne with what will
be called the Air Analog.  This model is advertised as a combination
between the Skylon II and the Anodyne.  Seems that they have also
totally disposed of the Skylon II (probably not for long since it
is very popular).  They are also bringing back the Air Max, continuing
the Max ST.  For you Air Huarache wearers, Nike has dropped the 
price ~ $5-10...probably the only *good* thing that they did. :-(

Wishing shoe companies would stop changing their lines every 2 weeks...

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| Mike D. Kail                        mdk@pegasus.udev.cdc.com  |
| Control Data Systems, Inc.                                    | 
| 4201 North Lexington Avenue            (612) 482-2942 (W)     |
| Arden Hills, MN  55126                 (612) 628-9132 (H)     |
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From: wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Mileage meters
Keywords: mileage bicycles
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:07:44 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10

I think you mean so called "Jones counters" which are used to 
measure the length of any road course. I'm not sure but I think their usage
is the standard for all official championships, together with the gauging
procedure.
If I remember right, they provide accuracies up to one meter (when correctly gauged, of course).
Worldwide, there is only one producer in the US. 
Sorry, I don't have the reference.

wolf

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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: kite shop in Twin Cities area?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:17:16 GMT

>	There are a couple kite stores in the Twin Cities area.  One is 
>called Color the Sky, in Anoka.  The other that I know of is Kite Site, in 
>Coon Rapids.  Kite Site had a store front at Town Square in St. Paul, but I 
>don't know if that still exists.  Otherwise, both outfits are run out of the 
>owner's homes, from what I understand.  
>
>Not only are there people flying in Minnesota, but there is at least one 
>kite team, Perfect Chaos, that hails from here. 

Is there anyone out here from Utah? I only know of one kiosk in a mall that 
sells kite stuff, and I don't think they sell supplies... Any kite teams or 
clubs that anyone is aware of?


Wes

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