From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS
Summary: Khaled J Shammout an apologist for terrorists.
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:14:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.180629.23941@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:

# In article: 52388 of talk.politics.mideast, (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# ## Forwarded from another list:
# ## From: Gert van Velzen <gertv@ooc.uva.nl>
# ## DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS AND
# ## DETENTION CENTRES
# ## GENERAL DEMANDS

# #      [ list of demands deleted - dlm ]

# #     It is obscene that terrorists should make demands.  However, a
# #lot of the blame probably goes to the weak and whimpy way Israel
# #treats these "palestinian?" terrorists.  It is what gives them the
# #CHutzpa to even think about making these demands, let alone actually
# #present them.  What is even more obscene is that anyone else would
# #take them seriously and present them (take the hint Yigal).

#      You and your friends always talk about how justice in the Arab countries
# does not come close to Western standards.

	The issue here is not one of justice.  When it is one of justice,
than there will be justice.  The issue is what to do with the animals
among the "palestinians?" who have waged this terroristic war against
the Jews.

# One thing comes to mind here.  Is
# not there something in the Western standards that says:"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN
# QUILTY"?  And yet, you automatically label these Palestinian political
# prisoners as TERRORISTS.  Well, have YOU studied their cases and figured out
# that they ARE really terrorists?  Of course not.

	They are not political prisoners.  They are murderers, thugs, and
their supporters.  To those (very few) who are innocent, Israel can
hardly afford to give them country club conditions to live in given
the economic hardships the "palestinian?" war against the Jews has
caused Israel.

	In a war, no one studies the cases of the POWs.  As to those that
are innocent, they have only themselves to blame for not taming those
among them who have decided to become animals in their genocidal war
against the Jews.

#      These prisoners are living in misery, hunger,and  under torture (both
# physical and mental).

	As it is, and despite the Landau commision report (which even
Steve Goldfield has admitted has no legal basis in Israel), there is
no torture of prisoners.  There is limited physical pressure to
obtain necessary information to thwart future acts of terrorism (which
even goes to saving Arab lives).

	Again, the innocents have only their bretheren, and perhaps the
weak way the Israeli government has dealt with the Intifada (since
this only encourages more acts of violence) to blame.

# However, let us assume that they were "terrorists" (and
# they are not),do not they deserve at least to be treated like human beings?

	Nope.

# #     However, these demands would be unnecessary, and the lives of all
# #"palestinians?" would be much better if they would just adhere to one
# #simple demand.  Stop the war against the Jews.
#                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

#      Here we go again with the Zionist propaganda.  This conflict is NOT
# between Jews and Arabs (and I hope you know why).

	Of course I know why.  It is because your book of fairy tales has
nothing to do with reality.

# [ line accidently deleted - dlm ]
# good English writing (because if you think that you are putting down the
# Palestinians by not capitalizing their noun, then you are really NAIVE)

	I use the form the way I do because of the negative history the
word has to do with Jews.  Anyone who would choose to use it (and in
my opinion this goes for Jews prior to 1948) deserves to be put down.
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David Makowsky
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