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From: z-car-request@dixie.com (Z-car mailing list)
Subject: Z-car Mailing List Monthly Posting.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 04:03:39 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Reply-To: z-car-request@dixie.com


This is the monthly posting of the Z-car mailing list.

The Z-car mailing list operates for the benefit of those interested in
Datsun/Nissan Z cars and any of the L-series engined sedans.  (Hey you
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original Z, though all discussion regarding the entire line of Z cars
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From: todd@diginst.com (Todd Day)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: email address of Talon/Eclipse/Laser list administrator
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:02:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Instruments, Santa Barbara, CA


I've been notified that people have been mailing requests to
join this list to talon-list@radius.com.  This is an illegal
address.  Here is the standard blurb on how to join this list.

How to join the Talon/Eclipse/Laser mailing list

Do you own one of the following cars?

	Eagle Talon
	Eagle Talon Tsi
	Eagle Talon Tsi AWD
	Mitsubishi Eclipse
	Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
	Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
	Plymouth Laser
	Plymouth Laser RS

(Have I left anyone out? :-)

Or, are you thinking about buying any of these cars?
If so, you'll want to join this mailing list!

How can you join this mailing list?

	1) Send email to diginst!todd@radius.com.  Include a
		well-formed return address in your message text.
	2) Receive from Todd a short questionaire.
	3) Answer the questionaire.
	4) Email it back to diginst!todd@radius.com.

That's all there is to it!  (The questionaire has the double
purpose of verifying your email address.  I know from
experience that address resolution has not been perfected
at all sites. :-)

What is going to be discussed?  Just about anything even
slightly related to this great little car!

-Todd Day-
diginst!todd@radius.com
-- 
Todd Day  |  diginst!todd@radius.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Ford Escort Break LX 1991
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:22:59 GMT

In article <tardif.715361000@chicoutimi> tardif@chicoutimi.ulaval.ca (Pierre-Martin Tardif) writes:
>DON'T YOU THINK A NEW CAR SHALL BE BETTER THAN THIS... I WAS PREFFERING
>AN AMERICAN CAR OVER THE JAPANESE ONES BUT NOW, I CHANGED MY MIND...
>
>
>						PMT
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

The 1991 Escort IS a Jap car.  Built by Mazda for Ford.   For the record I have
40,000 miles on my 91 GT and have only had it in the shop once to fix a busted
speedo cable.  


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: howard@chsun1.spc.uchicago.edu (Eboni Howard)
Subject: Best time to buy a car?.
Organization: Chapin Hall Center for Children
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:27:44 GMT

A while ago I read a post asking when was the best time to buy a car.  I have
not seen a reply to this answer, I don't think.  When is the best time of the
year to buy a car?  I heard that during December or January is a good time because dealers are trying to get rid of the old models for the new year models.
For example, getting rid of the 92's for the 93's.  Is this true?  Can you get a good deal on a car during this time or is there a better time of the year?

Eboni
howard@chsun1.uchicago.edu


-- 
Eboni
howard@chsun1.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: The Lexus SC300, information wanted
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: rec.autos
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:15:43 GMT

SC300=SLOW

Also..if you get it..get the upgraded rims...the 'normal' rims I've seen
are from the (well...) ES250! UGLY!

The SC300 isn't anything when compared to the SC400...but the price
is the major factor...and for the money..I guess the SC300 is "OK"...I'd
still stick with a pretty Vette for the price...#1 IT IS AMERICAN, #2 IT IS
FAST, #3 IT LOOKS MORE EXPENSIVE THEN IT IS, #4 IT LOOKS GREAT, #5 YOU'LL
LOVE IT.

The newnewss of a vette willnever wear off...and personally, the SC400/300
aren't that great <too bubbly>. 

I got an even better idea..just go out and test drive everything in sight.
BUY what you like and can afford.
--
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: enigma@halcyon.com (R. Leong)
Subject: The Lexus SC300, information wanted
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: rec.autos
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:32:21 GMT

I have been thinking about buying or leasing a Lexus SC300.  It is quite
a stretch for me financially to own this car so I am naturally very
curious about what other people's experiences with Lexus cars and 
dealerships have been.
 
I have the following questions which some of you out there might be able
to answer or voice an opinion about.
 
1.  I am interested in people's personal experience with the Lexus
    coupe.  How does the car feel after the newness wears out?  Are Lexus
    cars and dealerships really deserving of their remarkable reputation?
 
2.  What kind of price discount can one expect from a Lexus dealership 
    especially for the coupe?  So far, the salesman has been very low
    pressure but he quotes me an incredible high (at least to me) monthly
    lease of $688/month for a $37K car with a $4K capital cost reduction.
    Does that sound right?  Leases are very confusing to me.
 
3.  What color do you think the coupe looks best in?
 
ANY information, opinion, criticism, etc. would be appreciated.

Thanks. 

- RLL
From: rolfs@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Mark Rolfs)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:31:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Help!  Mildew odors from my ventilation system!
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

> Help!  I have a '92 Plymouth Laser (just over one month old).  In the
> last week or so, a musty smell has been coming from my ventilation
> system.  The odors definitely are coming from somewhere in the vents;
> there is no odor when the A/C is not running.  The dealership says 


They discussed this problem on The Car Guys radio program on public
radio a couple of weeks ago.  They said it is caused by bacteria
growing in water that collects in the system from condensation
due to the air conditioning.  They were speaking specifically
about a GM car but said that it occurs on many makes and models.
GM designed a fan that would come on after the motor was turned
off to try to dry up the water.  Apparently, even this did not
solve the problem.  They did not offer a solution.

Mark Rolfs
rolfs@fc.hp.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:18:34 -0400 
From: University Entrepreneurs Association <ue33+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LS 400

The LS400 is a great car.  It is just as good as people say, but as one
of the auto mags said "I wonder if they copied the MB300 body design
freehand, or used tracing paper."
From: D.Watson@lut.ac.uk (David Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Peugeot 405
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:33:16 GMT
Reply-To: D.Watson@lut.ac.uk (David Watson)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


I would be interested to hear from anybody who owns or has owned a Peugeot
405, any model.

What are the problems, faults and good bits of them?

David.
Xref: sparky rec.autos:21286 rec.autos.tech:12106 misc.consumers:16015 sci.environment:11001 talk.environment:3519
From: craigm@chateau-rouge.ics.uci.edu (Craig MacFarlane)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Reply-To: craigm@ics.uci.edu (Craig MacFarlane)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: BOOM
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:48:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.173112.15476@news.acns.nwu.edu> drt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Toreki) writes:
>
>	With the note here about a H2-fueled car...seems like a great idea.
>Then imagine the public horror (liability...) the first time one of these
>suckers gets creamed in an accident and goes up in a fireball.  Would make a
>Ford Pinto look like a Bic lighter.  Ever see those signs on the highway
>"TUNNEL 10 MILES" with huges warnings about carrying compressed gases?  Think
>there might be a reason for these?  Ever witness the detonation of a
>hydrogen-oxygen balloon?  Mighty impressive.

Simple solution: Then don't carry a tank a hydrogen around.  Carry a
		 tank of water around.

Hard problem: Separating the hydrogen from the water right before the
	      hydrogen needs to be burned.

I admittedly haven't any idea what it takes to separate hydrogen and
oxygen, but a system which did so right before the hydrogen was to
enter the combustion chamber would alleviate the fears of leveling
city blocks.

Can you imagine filling your tank with the garden hose? :)

Craig
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: DENTS IN CAR HOOD
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> One rather STUPID one decided it would be cool to jump
-> up on my hood and fool around.  Well needless to say he
-> left a rather noticeable dent right in the center.
->
-> My question is how easy is it to repair dents in a HOOD and
-> second how much should I expect the STUPID one to pay for
-> this damage.

  Dents usually shouldn't be banged out yourself, you can make them
worse.  For a decent job, it can cost anywhere from $100-$200 to get a
single dent taken out of your hood.  The cost is so much because once
the dent is banged out, the entire hood has to be repainted again
because the paint may be cracked where the dent was.


  Erich Lim
    Internet add:  erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
                                                                
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: john@clinicom.com (John Hensley)
Subject: Re: Law regarding speeding ticket ?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:33:51 GMT
Organization: CliniCom Incorporated, Boulder, CO
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
: Basically for the "Wasting of Natural Resources" fines cover are speeds
: that are higher than the current Federal Speed Limit but are on highways
: that the state previously had posted for higher limits.  In Idaho, it
: covers speeds over 55 to 65 that were previously posted at 70.
: 
: Now, if you go 85, that's 15 over 70 and that's considered wreckless...
                                                             ^^^^^
Nifty! Finally, the perfect cruising speed! :) :) :)

-- 
John Hensley           |
john@clinicom.com      | "You think slower when you graze." -- Holling
jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu |

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.200306.11526@mlb.semi.harris.com> cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor) writes:
>OK.  It seems to be about 50/50 on those pro-Civic and those anti-Civic.
>It sounds like Hondas (at least the Civics) are like most other things
>you buy - some are made better than others.  Any more comments either
>for or against?  Because so far I'm still planning on getting one unless
>I get an overwhelming negative response.
>
>Actually, this is kind of interesting.  Are the pro-Civic'ers Democrats
>and anti-Civic'ers Republicans?  Just curious.......    :^)
>


Why buy a Civic?  Pay several thousand dollars more and get a car with
personality and zip.  You'll see and use your car every day so don't you
feel that it's worth the investment?  Buy a MX6 or a Probe or a Talon
or a Miata or a Grand Am or a....  Well you get the idea....
-- 
En Pum Cho					
University of Chicago Class of 1994
math & economics major
epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hsd@swlrat.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA)
Subject: Re: Barry Drodge or Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva - some info
Keywords: speed. top end. Acclaim w/V6. Any ideas??
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:18:20 GMT

virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:


>Anyone can play, but with specific leanings to Barry and Herb,since they
>usually are the first to answer my Mopar musings...

>My current SO, who has an Infiniti G20, has been reading some of my
>postings regarding my ex's RX-7 and top speed(also, she said that I have
>a bit of 'splaining to do in regards to 'Why were you with Meredith anyway?'
>but I'll save that for alt.romance). Anyhoo, she is curious as to whether
>her car can achieve a top speed of 130mph(she's even MORE of an aggressive
>driver than Meredith).

>I'm CURIOUS as to what the true top speed of the Plymouth Acclaim/Dodge
>Spirit with V6 is?? These cars seem to REALLy want to move in final drive.
>So Barry, Herb, or anyone, can somebody give me an idea(or exact figure)
>of the top speed of the Acclaim/Spirit w/V6??

  Top speed is a nebulous figure.  Most car rags have a cut-off at which
  the rate of acceleration slows to where they say 'enough', and record
  that as the maximum speed.  Most cars will exceed the figures the car
  rags publish given time to gather sufficient momentum, so rarely do we
  get to see a car's "true" top speed (i.e. when the engine can't POSSIBLY
  overcome any more air resistance, given a level surface - these are the
  kinds of times you can get at the salt flats).  

  I think 130 is pushing it.  I doubt you'd have problems reaching and
  holding 120, and probably 125, but without an extensive runway, the
  Spirit isn't the most aerodynamic shape...

  Which tranny is this, anyway?  You might get a few more mph out of the
  3-speed, as opposed to the 4-speed.

>curious virgo

  Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: astewart@catfish.megatek.uucp (Al Stewart)
Subject: MR-2
Reply-To: megatek!astewart@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:26:21 GMT


  Ok, the mailer ate my first post...let's try again.

  I bought one of the first "new style" MR2's on the road. I got my
Turbo in April of 1990! It was kind of satisfying seeing people
turn and point as I drove by. Well it's been over two years now,
and I still love my baby like the day I bought her. The only 
problem I've had was the power steering electronics. This was
promptly replaced under warranty. 
  The only thing I hate about the car is the ABS brakes. I hate
them. If one tire skids on a flattened soda can or manhole cover,
the entire braking system goes into anti-lock mode. You loose ALL
pedal feel, and the car stop as fast (or slow) as it feels like.
Let me tell ya, the first time it happens it will scare the shit
out of you. There are also some times when you want to lock the brakes.
You can't with ABS. ABS should be for little old ladies driving on
snow covered roads. Not for sports cars on nice dry fun southern
California canyon roads.

Anyway:

>there is no shortage of aftermarket goodies available to make your
> MR2 into a real screamer.  

Tell me more !! I couldn't ($$$) and wouldn't do and modifications
on my car so far. But Xmas is coming and I don't know what to get
"Baby" for Xmas.

Question:
  I've been using nothin but Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil. I don't
have any complaints. It certainly seems to stay cleaner that normal
oil. Anyone have any comments on synthetics and Mobil 1 ?

To people looking to buy:
  When I bought my car, most dealers were asking and getting 2-3K OVER
sticker. I got mine for almost 2K under skicker, but that was after
going through hell. Five hours of haggling with those assholes. The only
reason I got away with it was that I knew how much I could afford. As
much as I wanted the car, I told them I could not go higher. I started
to walk out twice. Once I was actually in my friend's truck leaving
when the manager came running out. I didn't get out of the dealership
until after midnight. They WILL try ever trick. Not that I'm any
financial wizzard, but I was *SO* paranoid about buying a car that I
really couldn't afford. First and foremost. Watch the interest rate.
They will try to get you into a higher rate. It's almost always better
to get financing elsewhere, like a credit union. But don't let them
know this yet. Don't let them press you into *THIS* car. They come off
an assembly line. If you don't get this one, there will be another one
JUST like it real soon. Look at every other car first. I was very close
to buying an Eclipse. I let them know that. It was much more affordable.
..and like my mother told me..."Buy something you're going to like,
because you're goin to be paying for it for a long time." Thanks ma....
good advise.

Allan M. Stewart

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From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Shifter Kit
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:09:01 GMT
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 14381@auspex-gw.auspex.com, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
> Does anyone out there with some connections with Ford or whatever
> know what the delay on the SHO shifter conversion kit is about?
> A nearby dealer just told me they keep getting delay after delay
> and the current "guess is Fall."
> 
> Are they having trouble putting this thing together? or are they
> trying to improve on the rod shifter already in the 91.5 and later
> cars?
> 
> 
> Tom Pickett 
> tpickett@auspex.com
> SHO  GOZE


Tom,
Are you referring to the pre-91.5 upgrade? I heard there was a kit available
for that. Or are you referring to some kit over and above the 91.5?

If you're looking for a 91.5 shifter kit, I would think seriously before
laying out substantial bucks for one. My 91 was build mid-June, it has
the new shifter. It's really nothing to write home about. So unless the pre-91.5
shifter is absolute crap, I'd wait.

John

PS - Nothing new on that coolant spill I'd get in hot weather after shut-off
btw. Hasn't happened in a couple months, didn't persue it.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Re: These weird "Twilight Zone" lights under cars....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.214937.15484@metter.fmpmis.metter.com>  
virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:
> 
> Personally, as a fad, it has some use. YOU CAN NEVER SAY "I didn't see it
> coming in the dark.."when you come upon it(and hit it...hopefully not!)
> What are these new creations called,these under-the-chassis lights?? Where
> do you get 'em?? What's the cost????

	In Chicago I was quoted a price of $300.

--
   		     Carlos Dragonslayer Butler
buccb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu buccb@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
        University of Illinois 	     (217) 373-4781 Pager
     "People often condescend what they fail to comprehend...
     ...ignorance makes life easier. Learn to tolerate. Peace."
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Polish VW Joke
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:02:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <CC.92Sep3173628@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep3.101127.341@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
|> 
|>    > Do you know why Polish jokes are so short?
|>    > 
|>    > So that American's brain cells won't overload!
|> 
|> The Polish jokes really puzzled me, frankly, until I remembered that the
|> Polish joke is the American equivalent of the British "Irish joke", the
|> French "Belgian joke", and for all I know the German "Austrian joke" and the
|> Hungarian "Romanian joke" and the Spanish "Portuguese joke"...
|> --
|> 	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
|> 
|> 		

You forgot the Lebanese "Syrian joke"... :-0)

Elie.
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