HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Subject: Re: Male bashing in other newsgroups
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:42:23 GMT

In <10678@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.034508.18534@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts) writes:
>>I think it is a pretty sad person who can't enjoy this.
>Hey!  I'll meet your moral high ground and raise you one:
>I think it is a pretty sad person who can't enjoy laughing at a person who
>enjoys this.
>I think it is a pretty sad person who
>    { [ [can't laugh | laughs at] | [can't judge | judges] ] a person who }*
>enjoys this.

I think it's a happy person who can have a quick chuckle at this and move on.

Ken
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Subject: Re: Male bashing in other newsgroups
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:13:19 GMT

In <1992Sep10.135825.8009@cbfsb.cb.att.com> colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:

>As the person who posted the list in the first place, let me
>put it into perspective.

>1)  It is a one way thing.  That is what bothers me.  I really feel
>    that women make up lists of these things that men (all men 
>    supposedly) are guilty of and we are supposed to enjoy a good
>    laugh at our expense.  Well Try to turn it around and see how
>    much jolly laughter the woman have when we complain.  I
>    doubt that very much.

The fact that some feminists are humourless is irrelevent.  I do not see a
need to emulate this stereotypically feminst behaviour, as it is in no way
admirable.

>2)  The other problem is that it sets the tone for the entire
>    debate about men and women.  If we allow women to routinely
>    characterize us (as one of my favorite women comics once did)
>    as "bears with furniture", we are pleading guilty to things
>    we have not done and losing any credibility we might have over
>    important issues.

If we take everything too seriously, we loose credability with everybody.
We can see what happens to feminism when arguements turn toward unimportant
nits.  [Eg. discussion about pin-ups overwhelm attempts to deal with
serious forms sexual harassment.]

>3)  It starts with harmless lists of stuff but doesn't stop there.
>    SEveral people on this group have mentioned how Anna Quidlen of
>    the New York Times manages to slip in a male bashing comment
>    or two whether it is appropriate or not.  ...

I don't believe IT (male bashing) starts with harmless lists of humour.
Harmless humour is perfectly acceptable, the problem starts once this point
has been past.

	I can appreciate the distaste at the inequity you may feel, but by
taking this too seriously, it is harder for real concerns of men to be
addressed.

Ken
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Statistical "proofs" (Was Re: women in engineering ( help..))
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:40:48 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep14.022506.9937@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>a programmer is NOT an engineer. we engineers have to take math and
>science courses that the typical programmer couldn't handle on his (or

	Ahem.  Is a doctor of psychology an doctor?  How about a doctor of
engineering?

	The reason programmers don't take all that heavy math is because we
don't need it.  Is the reason engineers don't take "Realtime Programming in
68010 Assembly" because they "couldn't handle it" ?

Xref: sparky soc.men:16252 soc.women:16419
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Dworkin...
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:24:44 EDT

In article <716073563@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>>;Censorship and bookburning is obviously going to hurt the gender NOT in
>>;power more than it will hurt the one that IS.
>
>While it *sounds* true, I'm not sure it is.
>Think about two historical examples, and please give yes/no answers.
>
>1) Did the draft hurt women more than it hurt men?
>2) Did the Prohibition hurt women more than it hurt men?

OK, I'll bite.  How would any answer to either of these two questions
reflect on the question of who is hurt most by censorship?

-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Bashers
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:46:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.185256.26055@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com
(Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:

>maybe when women are earning $1.00 to men's $1.00,

The figures I've seen indicate that, when education and experience are
equal, women earn between $0.975 and $1.01 for every $1.00 men earn,
depending on the study.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Birth control failures
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:26:07 GMT

gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:

>Anyway, all of that *assumes* that the condoms are of top quality,
>an assumption which is not always true.  From CR:
>#The two condoms in the worst group - LifeStyles Extra Strength with
>#Nonoxynol-9 (a spermicide) and LifeStyles Nude Plus - flunked [the
>#airbrust test], with more than 10 percent projected failures.  In
>#some lots, up to half the tested samples failed.

    This is very strange!  I've been using almost nothing but Lifestyles
Extra Strength with N-9 for over a year now, and have yet to have one
break on me, even after being carried around in a keychain (from Planned
Parenthood) for over a week, including in my pocket!  (And no, before
some smart alec asks, it's not because of size :-))

    I know that CR is usually very reputable with regards to testing,
but I have to wonder if they didn't happen to somehow get hold of a bad
batch of some sort.  I was also under the impression that the government
does some sort of regulation of testing, and in any case I simply refuse
to believe that more than 10 percent of this brand of condom fail.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Unisex bathrooms
Summary: Maybe in Finland (?)
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:05:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep8.160543.5372@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, matikain@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Esko Matikainen) writes:
 <responding to when I said >

> >So why one MEN and one WOMEN?  Why not two bathrooms and
> >you do your stuff?  Anyway, there were NO women present at the time.
> >NONE!  But there were 12 guys all hopping on one foot outside the
> >MEN door.  So we all looked at each other and we took our turns in
> >the ladies room (alone) and went on our way.  The question is not
> >why we did that - but why the other guys didn't.
> 
> One good reason for having one MEN and one WOMEN is that the "MEN"
> usually mess up their's so that few women feel like using it after them.


Maybe in Finland (?) - but not necessarily here.  That's just a
stereotype.  Men's room are not all that messy.  I used to work
at a job where we closed up at night and checked for items and that
meant going into the ladies - sometimes VERY messy.  

marc colten 
Xref: sparky soc.men:16294 soc.women:16461 alt.child-support:3136
From: chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.rape,alt.child-support
Subject: Re: EuStress Has Trouble With Words
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:46:56 GMT
Organization: School of Chemistry, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep9.200812.21258@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.223400.19014@u.washington.edu>, 
>hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress) writes:
>
>[list of "people waiting in line to care for the kids" deleted]
>
>But you *STILL* are *assuming* that *someone* other than you will take
>responsibility for the child.  I'm asking, what if absolutely no one, not you,
>not the biological mother, not the church, not foster parents, not hospitals,
>not orphanages, not any organization supported by the tax dollars and court
>decisions you hate so much, in short *NO ONE*, would take responsibility for
>that child?  Whose bottom line responsibility is it?

You are now asking a hypothetical question which is no longer
related to MrEuStress' situation.  In his position two people
are quite prepared to raise the children, and had in fact
actually prevented him from being a parent.  In that
situation, the people who decided to parent the children
should take responsibility for them, assuming MrEuStress
is unable to take legal action to regain his parenthood.

As for your hypothetical question, the answer is that whoever
decided to bring the children into the world has the responsibility
to see that they are adequately brought up; by themselves or someone
else.

>You bought into the system when you had sex.  Like it or not, any time you, a
>male, fornicate with a female, both of you run the risk of pregnancy and the

In my (limited) experience, males rarely become pregnant.

>responsibilities incurred therefrom.  That child did *NOT* ask to be born. 

Pregnancy incurs no responsibilities (for women) in most developed countries.

>Now, if you're still reading this far, I want to remark that I have absolutely
>no problem with your wish to terminate fatherhood if you've made arrangements
>to have your child supported.  You seem to have done that.  Good for you.

He has been complaining about the sadistic legal system - I notice you
have made no comment about that.  Also I doubt he was given the
option of 'wishing' to terminate fatherhood.  We don't even know
whether he chose fatherhood initially.

>Katie

Toby

-- 
Toby Kelsey
School of Chemistry,  # JANET: chpetk@uk.ac.bath.gdr, otherwise
University of Bath.   # chpetk%gdr.bath.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: CARL access
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:52:41 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

Hi.  I need some info on accessing the CARL system thru the Internet.

Let's assume we have an account set up already (which we do).  All I need is
the telnet address and brief instructions on using the system.

Can anyone help me out?

Email responses prefered to m13079@mwunix.mitre.org

Thanks a bunch....

--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
From: rduggar@access.digex.com (robin of riverdale)
Subject: Library uses of Internet
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: soc.libraries.talk,comp.internet.library
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:41:35 GMT

I work for the American Association of Retired Persons.  Our library is
thinking about getting a few Internet accounts for some of the librarians.
I have some of my own ideas how the Internet could be of use to our operations.

How are librarians/information professionals making use of the Internet in
their work?

Please reply via e-mail to:  rduggar@access.digex.com.  THANKS!!!

-- 
Lady Robin of Riverdale

"It was fear that first brought gods into the world."  --  Petronius Arbiter
"An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support."  --  Sheen
From: larry8@ut-emx.uucp (Larry)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: List of Public Libraries on the net (sort of)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:03:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Allow me to make a few clarifications... 
In article <79752@ut-emx.uucp> larry8@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Larry ) writes:
>
>
>
>Here is the *Offficial* list of public libraries on the net.  Actually,
>It would be more accurate to call this the list of Public *librarians* on 
>the net because (apparently) the fact that someone from a particular 

It would be even more accurate to call this *A* list of public librarians
on the net.  A couple of weeks ago, I posted a request for the "official
list" of public libraries on the net.  This is the list I had heard about.
The fact that someone is not on the list, only means that they had not
come to the attention of the person who compiled the list.  In posting 
this list, it is my hope that readers of this group who are not on this
list, but would like to be will either contact John Iliff or post a 
follow-up message to this group saying "put me on the list" or (preferably)
both. 

>institution is on this list does not necessarily indicate that their 
>employer is committed to putting their institution online (e.g., in the same
>sense that places like Denver PL and San Diego PL seem to be).  Also, John

What I meant to do here was to distinguish between those institutions such
as Denver Public and San Diego which have made a commitment on the part
of the *institution* to go online (Liverpool PL in New York would also be
included in this category) so that employees are provided an account and
those institutions in which the librarians have net accounts as 
*individuals* through some outside source but their employer does not
necessarily have an interest in promoting the net.  My intention was to
point out that I do not know which category most of the people on this list
belong to.  I hope that this is a useful distinction, and would be interested
in hearing how different libraries support their employees' networking. 



>Iliff, who compiled this list, says that it may not be entirely up to date
>so be advised.  He also said that he will be updating this list in October,
>so it you are a public librarian on the net, and would like to be included
>in the NEW AND IMPROVED list feel free to contact John at: 
>
> 			iliffj@firnvx.firn.edu

Apologies for any misunderstandings that arose from the original post. 


-- 
 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Larry Gainor//////////////////////////////////
(((Graduate School of Library and Information Science | University of Texas)))
{{{Internet: larry8@emx.cc.utexas.edu  |  Bitnet lscu267@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu}}}
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<"Opinions expressed are solely my own.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: duncan@nevada.edu (DUNCAN MCCOY)
Subject: Re: List of Public Libraries on the net (sort of)
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:04:03 GMT

Please add my name to the list:

Duncan R. McCoy, Director
Boulder City Library
813 Arizona St.
Boulder City, NV  89005

(702) 293-1281 - voice
(702) 293-0239 - fax

Internet duncan@helios.nevada.edu or
         bs464@cleveland.freenet.edu

Thanks


Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: callahanj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: cordless phones in library:pro or con
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:58:55 GMT

I would like to hear from those who have experience with using cordless phones
in the library.  We are contemplating cordless phones at teh two reference
desks we have.  Librarians are positive about getting the phones as they see
the advantage of not running for the desk phone.  But are there problems to
look out for?  Anything is appreciated.

callahan@libvax.ulowell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: bing@bach.udel.edu (Ralph Bingham III)
Subject: Cataloging Program?
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:28:12 GMT

I am a MLS student that needs a shareware or freeware program to use
to practice my USMARC cataloging skills. Does anyone know of such
a program for the IBM PC or Mac? I basically need to create, save, 
and print records. Nothing real fancy, but the records do have to
be in the proper format.

Thanks in advance,

Ralph Bingham
bing@bach.udel.edu
From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: weighted budgeting for library collection development
Summary: Request for references
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:04:43 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network


  I'm looking for references on the use of weighted budgets for
libraries.  I'm a subject librarian and I'm interested in understanding
more about how these kinds of budgets work.  Also, if anyone has
experience with this and would like to comment it would be appreciated.
From: bhoffman@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Bob Hoffman)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: weighted budgeting for library collection development
Date: 15 Sep 1992 10:25:23 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Karl Bridges (cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote:
: 
:   I'm looking for references on the use of weighted budgets for
: libraries.  I'm a subject librarian and I'm interested in understanding
: more about how these kinds of budgets work.  Also, if anyone has
: experience with this and would like to comment it would be appreciated.


I am currently working on a Master's thesis on budgets in academic
libraries derived from formulas.  There is an extensive bibliography
that I can post out to anyone who sends me an address.

I evaluated a number of factors that can be used in a formula for
allocation among subject departments and found a number of combinations
that work.  Some of the best variables include: annual number of titles 
published in the field, number of enrollments, loans per volume held in
the previous year, and percentage of assessment based on assignments
requiring library use.

I expect to finish the thesis by December.

Bob Hoffman

Newsgroups: no.norsk,no.general
From: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
Organization: Department of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: 07 Sep 1992 19:56:51 +0200
Subject: Re: instantiate

Tore Morkemo <tore@bibsystno> writes:
|
|   Er det noen som har et godt norsk ord for det engelske verbet to
|   instantiate?

Kan du si litt om hvordan du har tenkt } bruke det norske ordet, og hva
du oversetter?

Jeg har brukt "representere" og "konkretisere" i sammenhenger der
"instantiate" ble brukt p} engelsk.

</Erik>
Newsgroups: no.general
From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad)
Subject: Kven Mottar ISO-mail
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:22:40 GMT

Kor vanleg er ISO-mail i Norge? Eg har f tt eit nytt program som omset mi  
maskin sitt interne tegnformat til ISO-latin, og eg vil gjerne testa det  
p  nokon. Er det nokon som kunne vera interessert i   la meg sende ein  
testmelding dei for at eg kan sj  om det virkar.

 ystein Dugstad
UiB
Newsgroups: no.general
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Kven Mottar ISO-mail
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:04:15 GMT

In article <23343A@erik.naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no> writes:
|> 
|> Hvis du skal bruke 8-bits tegnsett, bruk MIME, og si hva du bruker.
|> Hvis vi antar at news tolererer 8-bits data, trenger du bare legge til
|> et par headere.
|> 
|> </Erik>
|> 
--


Hva er s MIME, og hvilke headere og hvordan ?

Hva s med tegnene {|} og [\] som er s nyttige i UNIX ?


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Newsgroups: no.general
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Kven Mottar ISO-mail
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:25:23 GMT

In article <23340A@erik.naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no> writes:
[Noe slettet]

|> 
|> MIME l|ser alle disse problemene, og flere til.  Hvis du har en mailer
|> som sender ut 8-bits data uten } si at den gj|r det, hvilket tegnsett
|> den bruker, eller ikke oppf|rer seg skapelig i mangel av 8-felt vei helt
|> frem, b|r du hive programmet og skaffe noe som ikke |delegger for andre
|> brukere som ikke har identiske forhold til det du har.  Poenget med
|> e-mail er jo nettopp at det ikke skal v{re avhengig av hvilken maskin og
|> hvilken versjon av hvilken programvare du bruker.  8-bits mail har
|> svekket denne ellers s} anerkjente kvaliteten ved e-mail.


Nr du sender disse tegnene ut i verden : {|} - hvorfor ?

Er det din news-reader/mailer som ikke klarer  sende ut dine  (\ae
\o \aa i LaTeX), eller er det min newsreader som ikke klarer  lese
dem ?


|> 
|> Ellers har hele verden ventet p} 8-bits mail i flere }r, men siden vi
|> ikke er IBM PC-brukere _alle_ sammen, eller ikke alle bruker ISO Latin
|> 1, tar det tid } finne en almengyldig l|sning.  Det er dertil viktig at
|> folk respekterer denne l|sningen n}r den er publisert, slik at vi kan
|> fortsette } sende mail til hverandre uten } m}tte vite om maskiner og
|> programvare i alle retninger.
|> 
|> </Erik>
|> 
--


Gikk mine  ({\ae}),  ({\o}) og  ({\aa}) gjennom ?


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Newsgroups: no.norsk,no.general
From: rolfl@karl.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren)
Subject: Re: instantiate
Organization: Institutt for Humanistisk Informatikk, Blindern, Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:36:34 GMT

In article <23334B@erik.naggum.no> Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>   Tore Morkemo <tore@bibsystno> writes:
>   |
>   |   Er det noen som har et godt norsk ord for det engelske verbet to
>   |   instantiate?
>
>   Kan du si litt om hvordan du har tenkt } bruke det norske ordet, og hva
>   du oversetter?
>
St|tter.

>   Jeg har brukt "representere" og "konkretisere" i sammenhenger der
>   "instantiate" ble brukt p} engelsk.
>

I mine mange omtaler av John Searles Chinese Room Though Experiment har
jeg oversatt det med  vre utfrelsen av ... Ellers er Eriks ord greie,
avhengig av kontekst, selvsagt.



--
       Rolf Lindgren           |       "The opinions expressed above are
       616 Bjerke Studentheim  |        not necessarily those of anyone"
       N-0589 OSLO 5           |           rolfl.lindgren@usit.uio.no 
Newsgroups: no.general
From: olews@kelvin.uio.no (Ole W. Saastad)
Subject: Re: ordsjekker for editor under unix
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:28:40 GMT

Jeg brukte og bruker ispell. Dette  programmet er tilgjengelog p}
USIT, jeg er ikke sikker p} om det er komersiellt eller ikke.
Jeg har en masse ordlister p} norsk i tillegg til de som kommer med
ispell. Send mail til unix-drift@usit.uio.no hvis du ikke finner noe
mere om programmet. Kansje de svarer hvis de har tid. Dette er
opptatte folk ! Siden du ikke kommer fra Oslo universitet. 
Lykke til.


--
Ole W Saastad  
Dept. of Chemistry University of Oslo Norway.

Newsgroups: no.general
From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: Kven Mottar ISO-mail
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:25:57 GMT

Send en E-post til Hans Morten Kind (kind@cc.uib.no) og be om hjelp.
Han har mulighet til } h}ndtere din post.
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Harald.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
C=no;PRMD=uninett;O=sintef;OU=delab;S=alvestrand;G=harald
+47 7 59 70 94
Newsgroups: no.general