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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Jews in space.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:55:15 GMT

In article <1961@ceylon.gte.com> sgutfreund@gte.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.144514.25461@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>|>   Before Judith Resnick (A"H) went on her first flight, the Chief
>|>   Rabbinate of Israel issued a ruling that there is no shabbat in space.
>I would be interested in knowing the basis on which
>they came to that decision (and if it was both chief Rabbis).
  Sorry, it was just a throwaway remark in a news story (most likely
  Jerusalem Post) I read at the time. I have no other info.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: sb@linus.mitre.org (Shimshon Berkovits)
Subject: Re: Eliezer Berkovits
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:31:44 GMT

A memorial service will be held in the Boston area 

On:    Sunday, September 20, 1992
Time:  7:45 pm
At:    The Young Israel of Brookline
       62 Green Street (near Coolidge Corner)
       Brookline, MA

The speaker will be Prof. Michael Fox of Brandeis University.  There will
also be brief remembrances from Rabbi Isaiah Wohlgemuth and myself.

For directions or with questions, please contact me.

Shim Berkovits
Home: (617) 232-9612
Work: (617) 271-3271
e-mail: shim@mitre.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Confirmation Ceremony (was: Re: Conservative Halacha (was re: Orthodox Monopoly))
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:22:55 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Sep10101805@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:

 ... discussion of practical implications and problems of
     patrilineal descent deleted ...

>
>I found the articles very interesting, but found myself leaning towards
>Epstein's position. I think the Patrilineal descent position has some good
>ideas in it -- we see too many kids with Jewish mothers who don't know Judaism
>-- but it's not being applied. I think that all children of intermarriages
>should go through a recognized program of study and conversion ceremony
>equivalent (although we needn't call it that) -- in fact, wasn't that the
>original purpose of the confirmation ceremony? Given the religious knowledge
>of kids of both Jewish parents today, wouldn't such a course of study be good
>for them too? Let's make the confirmation ceremony a real CONFIRMATION of the
>individuals committment to the Jewish faith and people.
>

I fear you place too much faith in the efficacy of a confirmation 
ceremony.  If the ceremony is to be meaningful, it will demand completion
of a substantial and substantive study program -- as you point out, 
requiring participation of the entire family.  Successful completion
will necessarily imply (in most cases) that the family is (or has
become) serious about the practice of Judaism, will continue Jewish
intellectual activity, etc.

Daniel, in your Temple, how many families (even with both parents
Jewish) would qualify?  Would the "non-qualifiers" be denied the
confirmation ceremony?

  


-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: ce157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric W. Mack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Genealogy
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:00:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Looking for any Mikochinsky (spelling).  Family was from Knysyn,
outside of Bialostok.

There seem to be lots of Jewish Macks out there.  What was your
last name in the old country?
-- 
Eric Mack or Cheryl Birkner Mack
From: sg04@ploni.gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Moshiach Educational Line 1-800-4-MOSHIACH
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:33:04 GMT
Reply-To: sgutfreund@gte.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

In article <1992Sep9.150544.15951@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
|> As others have already pointed out, the Moshiach hotline is legitimate
|> and it is Lubavitch.  But the Lubavitch identity is only revealed at
|> the end of the message.
|> 
|> If you listen to the "general" information, it is amazingly "Pareve"
|> and universal; there is no explicit mention of mitzvot or anything 
|> else specifically Jewish.  That is probably what got Joseph so concerned.
|> 
|> Perhaps the producers feared that early identification of the source
|> as Lubavitch might turn some people off, so they decided to hold off
|> till the end, when they give you the number of your nearest Chabad House.
|> But there is a risk; naive people listening to this tape might later
|> be readily fooled by Messianic "Jews" whose initial messages might
|> be similarly vague and universal.

At the end of the message their is an opportunity to leave your
comments (voice-mail). I would encourage you to do this. 

I think you might have a very valid point about the the risk in
the order presentation of the material. 

In any case, I do know that in any instance of "product marketing"
it is the interaction and feedback that is the best means of
crafting a genuinely useful "product" and avoiding the situation
where the product is only pleasing in the eye of the producer.

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From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Law of Return) who had converted via a Conservative Bet Din?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92255.45631.L630191@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L630191@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>I was always taught in Hebrew School/Yeshiva that once a Jew, always a Jew;
>and that it is impossible to convert away from Judaism. [...]
>BUT, there was a case in Israel in the last few years.  A man who had
>'converted' away from Judiasm wanted to make aliyah in order to
>further his missionary activities to get Jews to 'convert' to his
>religion.  He was born of a Jewish mother, yet the Israeli Supreme
>Court rejected his application for aliyah.


There is no contradiction here.  Someone who is Jewish and converts to another
religion is still considered Jewish.  The Law of Return, however applies to
anyone who is Jewish *and has not converted to another religion*.  The law
specifically includes them in its definition of "Jewish", but excludes them
via the second provision.  (Note also that the law applies to many people who
aren't Jewish as well; anyone whose spouse, parent, or grandparent is Jewish
can immigrate under the provisions of the Law of Return.)

   Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:32:55 GMT

In article <matthew.716085477@mugga> matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek
Blasikiewicz) writes:

>If the jewish family were not to contribute to the rent and food costs,
>I doubt that many polish families could afford to provide shelter. And
>remember, food was scarce then, so if you needed more than the bare
>minimum (like it happens when extra people are boarding with you, for
>example) you had to buy it on the black market, and that's expensive.

The family across the street from my parents are Holocaust survivors and
are from Poland.  It took years before they could discuss their lives with
anyone.  To this day, he never goes to a funeral and this is why.

When the Jews from his town were rounded up, they knew they were all going
to be killed.  Many paid their entire "fortunes" to Polish neighbors to take
their children so at least they would be saved.  My neighbor was in his
late teens as they were marched to the edge of town and asked one of the
Nazi guards who was going to bury all the people.  The guard agreed that
would be a problem and ordered him to get a few strong young men as the
burial detail.  He survived because he was part of this detail that was
forced to march with the Jews about to be killed in the area and then bury
them.  This part of the survival, though, meant he was among the last to
leave a town and in his own and many others, he saw Polish families that
had just taken large sums of money (and property) from Jews to protect the
children simply shove the children out the door once the parents were
taken.

Yes, living during that time was expensive.  But if you can rip off a Jew
who was about to be killed, the death of a child (especially a Jewish one)
rests lightly.

After burying so many people, I, for one, understand why this man has not
gone to a funeral of friend or reletive in nearly 50 years.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.134056.25481@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>  In the meantime, while Polish Canadians are objecting to a clumsy
>  usage, Jewish Canadians have to get used to the idea, as decided
>  by the supreme Court not two weeks ago, that it is perfectly
>  legal to flatly state that there were no Nazi operated death
>  camps for Jews located in Poland period, and Mr. Ernst Zuendel,
>  who is no doubt gearing up his publishing operations at this very
>  moment, doesn't accept dissenting letters to the editor.

There were no Nazi operated death camps for Jews located in Poland,
because following the invasion and partition of Poland by Germany and
the USSR in 1939, the country of Poland ceased to exist.

While the soil upon which these camps were constructed and operated was
part of Poland both before and after WWII, during the time the camps
were in operation, the soil was part of Germany.

Egypt had the Sinai.  Egypt and Israel have a war and Israel takes
control of the Sinai.  Israel builds settlements on the Sinai.  Egypt
and Israel later establish a peace treaty and Israel returns the Sinai
to Egypt and the settlements are dismantled.

So whose settlements were they?  Applying the same rules of logic
displayed in this thread, some are coming to the conclusion that they
were Egyptian.
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: S H O F A R for Rosh Hashana
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:48:23 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

The shofar for rosh Hashana should be a Ram Horn , unless you can't
find one when you can use horns of goats and other animals ( but don't
use a cow = or an Ox horn).

So those long twisted horns are not for Rosh hashana , they are horns
of some African animal (ibex or alike) ,dont use them !

( Yammanites do use them during Elul , But not on Rosh Hashana ).

Get one only from a reliable source, many are glued and are wrong,
If you have one , look that it is long enough - longer than your feast
- 5 inches is o.k. Look that it has no cracks and holes.
a single hole is a must :-) .

I was asked for the program genareting my Rosh Hashana signature.
 I use no program for that , just a text file.
So if you like it save this article and use an editor in order to cut
a way everything but the Hebrewe Rosh hashana blessing.
Include it in your mail if you like.

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From: murray@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (murray kahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Moshiach
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:25:57 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Micha Berger
 
I just wnat to comment on this conversation:
 
YK> Yes I do want this message to go all over the world:
YK> MOSHIACH IS COMING!!!!!!!!! YES YES YES NOW!
 
AK> That's it! This is the task the Rebbe gave us.
 
On this BBS, news (posts) in this group carry the top line:
        Message #8773 - USENET soc.cult.jewish
                                   """"
Need more be said?
                                mb:-)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:19:23 GMT

Sorry to have to quote so much.  I couldn't figure out how to cut it down
without hurting context.

In article <1992Sep3.223225.11311@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted
Grusec) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.213644.10662@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>>which led to the holocaust.  In any case, are we not too preoccupied
>>>with the details of the past rather than with getting on with the
>>>present and future?  What is being done NOW about anti-semitism, and
>>>about other human wrongs, now that we have seen what the consequences
>>>of such wrongs can be? 

>>I think that this is the whole point.  When you have a group attempting
>>to minimze its complicity/complacency/participation in the Holocaust,
>>the victims worry even more about potential behaviors should another
>>Holocaust occur.  The most important indicator of how people will act
>>in the future can only be determined if you can study what they did in
>>the past.  If they don't even remember what happened, you can guarantee
>>a repetition.

>Sam: Let's realize that the "Poles", however, defined, are NOT
>monolithic in their views.  Many Poles (and Germans, and etc.) are NOT
>trying to minimize their complicity or responsibility.  They are not
>"a group".  The latter idea implies narrow variability, and this is
>not the case.  The variability on all matters of opinion and belief is
>as wide within any cultural group as within any other.  In fact, if I
>may use a pertinent statistical concept, the within group variability
>overwhelms between group variability so that differences between
>groups ("Jews", "Poles", "Germans", "Americans", "Canadians", etc),
>are inconsequential compared to the variations within them.

I certainly accept your notion of variability and for THIS discussion
will grant that there is only .0001% of the Polish population that is
antisemitic (we both know it must be far greater but neither of us can
quantify it beyond the responses to the polls that showed rather high
levels, the results of which were recently posted here).  But if that
tiny group is successful in eradicating evidence of the victims, or of
revising the list of vicitimes, the carge of complicity encompasses
those otherwise well-meaning Poles who allow this calculated aid in
forgetting.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Violent antisemitism?
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:23:32 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

In article <1992Sep4.070436.13542@funet.fi> defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi
(Irek Defee) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.025453.2892@panix.com> jis@panix.com (Jack
>Szwergold) writes:

>>PPPS:  If Poland is/was such a great placefor Jews, please explain why the
>>Jewish population fled th country in drove.....

>No, no, the problem i s  exactly opposite: why it happened that, over 
>centuries, Jewish population in Poland grew up to becoome most sizable in
>Europe, while in all other places has decreased in equally sizable numbers?
>Why?

He, and others already answered this question and I'll reiterate.
There was a time when it was in Poland's best interest to allow Jews in
and Jews best interest to come.  But since then, Jews becamse the
scapegoats.  Now, how about you answer his question.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Jewish Popes?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:13:49 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
>And what about that Kippah you always see him wearing.....

Or is it the zucchetto that we wear?

-Don Gertler
From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Moshiach Educational Line 1-800-4-MOSHIACH
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:56:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <1992Sep8.220031.15231@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@kehaar.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.165045.17527@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
>writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep6.043841.15289@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>>>There is a new toll-free line with a five minute message about
>>>concepts, laws, etc. concerning Moshiach. The message changes weekly,
>>>and you can leave a comment or request further information.
>
>>I have a strong feeling that this is a Jews for Jesus line. It just
>>has that tone. Comments?
>
>WHOA!  I think that your comment is a bit mis-informed.  I am certain 
>that David Kaufmann's original post was with respect to Lubavitch (the
>anti-thesis of Jews for Jesus).  They (Lubavitch) stress the importance 
>of studying of the laws regarding Moshiach (and all laws for that matter) 
>in order to hasten his coming.
>
>Call the number, you'll see what I mean.  :^)
>

I wish to apologize. I called the local Chabad, and the Rav did some checking,
and it IS a Chabad line. The only reference is that if you wanted more info.
after their message, they can refer you to your nearest Chabad house.

Sorry for the mistake.
From: jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lamed, Lightning, and SS
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:57:05 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jacques Goldberg (goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il) wrote:
> What was the shape of the LAMED at the time, for example, of Ezekiel ?

Interestingly, the lamed was written like the capital English letter
"L" with the apex slanted slightly to the right in early Hebrew.
Nevertheless, there are some that claim that the block styled Hebrew
script reigns supreme from Sinai and that Ezra reintroduced the script.

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    \ /          but we have an innate conviction
     O           that He exists, and we feel
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From: ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in space.
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:36:43 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <4178@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:
>After all, according to many, if not all, halachic authorities, the
>very fact that mitzvot are kept at all outside the Land of Israel is
>just so that we do not forget them on our Return.  As well as that,

While this appears to be the opinion of the Ramban, it is my
understanding that it is a minority opinion, close to being a daat
yachid. Could you identify other major poskim that support this opinion?

Avi Feldblum
feldblum@att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:55:26 GMT

In <1992Sep2.193950.3362@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:

>The translation is not the best. I'd suggest, as some have written,
>"according to His will."

Where is the source for this?  I didn't find it in Menachot 43b (where
Rabbi Meir says that a man must make three berachot) or the Rambam
in Hilchot Tefilah 7:6 where he follows Rav Acha bar Yaakov's opinion
that changes one of the three, but in Orach Chayim 56:4 the form that
women say appears after the same three berachot as the Rambam mentions
(in a different order).

Is there an earlier source?  I'd be interested to look there to see
what that source says is the reason for the berachah.
-- 
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/ nysernet.org is not *** at all.
From: wstein@eis.calstate.edu (William K. Stein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Torah text as a database
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:09:48 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information ServicesI'm about to try to obtain a Torah text and software to "work" it from

Kaballah Software.  First, I'm not sure this is the best source - I simply
don't KNOW of any other source.  Second, I'm not sure which pkg to buy.  I
have a project which requires software which will ignore spaces
(optionally) between words, can compute gematrias as directed, and do
extended searches as directed.
  Please - Anyone having expertise in this area advise me as to what I
want (forgot to mention my $$$ is quite limited and I MUST get the most
bang for my buck) and the best place to obtain it.  Is there public domain
stuff out there somewhere? Todah, Zev Stein