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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:28:51 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      re: good moments in psychotherapy as I understand them

>                                              (and Matthew, please be more expl
>icit about what constitutes a "good moment" in therapy.)

Oh, sorry, didn't know you were interested.  I just mentioned it in passing.

A good moment is defined in terms of the consensus psychotherapists have
when reviewing a tape recording of a psychotherapeutic session.  These
therapists should have discussed what it is that they would like to see
the therapy accomplish.  Or they should have some common understanding
of what the therapy should do.  As you can see, "good moment" is an
form of variable.

Good moments are used to study psychotherapy sessions.  If I and my good
friend John P. Therapy want to study a tape you have sent us, and find
out all that we can learn from your techniques, we listen to your tape
independently for good moments.  Good moments are times in the therapy
session that something we value in therapy occurs.  When we get back
together and review the tape, the times which we both agree are good
moments are then labeled as good moments.

What do you do with these now-identified good moments?  Try to learn
what the therapist did in the session to bring it about.  By listening
to one'sown and others tapes, finding good moments, and learning from
one'sown and others successes, one becomes a better therapist.

Make sense?  Have fun.

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:29:20 CST
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From:         CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: therapy with batterer
              9 Apr 1992 15:43:00 EST from <BRITON@NORTHEASTERN.EDU>

hello nancy:
yes, I fully agree with you that 8 weeks ago is still  quite current!
and when some one does something  like that it isn't easy to prompt them to tal
k from the perspective of taking responsibility for it.  suppose that
frustration is what prompted me to post that message.  my supervisor and I
have thought a lot about this!
jc
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:02:11 CST
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From:         james canaday <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      argghh

hello:
   gettin' quiet on the list-is everybody swamped with end of the semester, lik
e me?
jc
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:35:06 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: discovering science?

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:23:09 EDT <tmsellers@UALR.EDU> said:
>   Okay, so here's a new subject I hope may generate some interest. How do we
> go about the process of discovering knowledge? Is this something that is
> taught at your University? Is there much focus on research methods, and if so,
> does this include the process of generating new ideas? I'm reading a book
> now that is called "Discovering". Anybody heard of it or read it? How do we
> discover new information? Information that is not an extension or generation

First of all, please send to the list, ANY formula that you can apply to
seriously discover anything new in any new area.  I am fascinated with this.
Here is an example based on what one of the leading theorists in experiential
psychotherapy does.  Please send me your formula, examples, and anecdotes.
Please!  :)  Thanks.

Alvin Mahrer just won the Researcher of the Year Award at the University of
Ottawa.  No one in the area of Social Sciences has won this award here for
over 20 years.  Up until the announcement of the award, many people in
the psychology department considered him a bit excentric, unpredictable,
cute, funny, and not to be taken seriously.  I would here professors say
things in class about his psychotherapeutic method that led me to believe
that they thought his therapy was psychotherapy in some form less than
legitimate.

His psychotherapy (experiential), is a combination of all that he found
as being good in other therapists tapes.  He has the largest library in the
world of tapes of "distinguished" psychotherapists.  If you are a
distinguished psychotherapist, and you have been pesterred for a tape of
you doing psychotherapy, chances are that the person was Alvin Mahrer.

His way of discovering new ways of doing psychotherapy, and a completely
new psychotherapy, is by listening to tapes of psychotherapists, doing
good psychotherapy, or having a "good moment" in psychotherapy, and then
asking the question "What did the therapist do to arrange that good moment
in the therapy?  If I was going to learn from this, one thing to do, what
would it be that I would take home and practice?"  He listens to tape
recordings of his own sessions and take serious notes on what he could
do better.  This is how he discovers.

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:49:54 EST
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From:         "Edward M. Lilly" <eml@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      gender differences and romance/attraction
X-To:         PSYCGRAD@psych.purdue.edu

i've noticed during the past few days (weeks?) some discussion of the
area of research concerning relationships.  while this isn't my particular
field (or strength, but that's another story), i had a question that may
be somewhat related to this area.  so, if any of you are still out there
who are familiar with work on relationships (or if you just have an
opinion/hypothesis), here's the issue.....


i was talking with a friend (no, really, that's how this whole thing
started!) about the nature of relationships between men and women (or is
that myn and wymyn, or something else?  whatever....).  basically, i
made some comment about men and women having different 'styles' or
'patterns' of becoming attracted to a member of the opposite sex.  for
instance, my feeling at that point was that men are more likely to become
romantically interested in a women with whom they have already become
close friends (a la, 'when harry met sally' - sorry, i'm not trying to
trivialize this whole thing, but i thought the analogy might be somewhat
appropriate).  women, on the other hand, become romantically interested in
men and can then become good friends within that relationship.

so i wound up rambling how the genders work in opposite directions - men
finding themselves friends with women they know, and then realizing that
they are also romantically attracted to these women, women being romantically
interested in men and either simultaneously or later being friends with
these same men.  (oops, that lead sentence should be 'wound up rambling about
how'.)

opinions?  knowledge of research that looks at this type of thing or
something possibly close to it?

as a further comment/explanation, let me say that i'm not trying
to argue/assume that one way is better, or that something is wrong with
either of the above 'styles', i was just trying to make sense of some
various situations with which i was familiar.  certainly, then, i'm
not really asking if men or women are somehow good or bad in relationships
because of the progression of involvement/emotions that they feel, but
rather if they seem to arrive (in best-case scenarios) at the same
end through different paths.



eml

eml@psych.purdue.edu
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:24:14 EDT
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From:         Mickie <051889@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: romantic relationships

Hi Christi,
           I highly recomend that you take a look at the theory behind
Emotion Focused Therapy (EFT) by Sue Johnson and Les Greenberg.  They Have
a chapter in Gurman's edited book on Marital Therapy or they have their own
book out with the same title as their therapy.  I recommend it because they
base their work on attachment theory and Bowlby has lots to say about relation-
ships and how people react under threat.  Also, Sue Johnson wrote an article in
Psychotherapy or Journal of Marital and Family Therapy about four years ago
Bargains or Bonds, talking about intimate relationships and bonding theory.

                                                       Mickie
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:51:05 -0500
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From:         wade r baggette jr <911BAGGETTE@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: ELIZA's native tongue.
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Eliza!  Ah, my old friend!

Eliza was originally written in LISP.  A very popular version was a
translation of the LISP version into Microsoft (tm) Basic.

For more info on Eliza, see the book _Computer Power and Human Reason_
by Joseph Weizenbaum  (W.H. Freeman and Company, 660 Market Street,
San Francisco CA 94104).

Anybody else out there play with Eliza?
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:45:58 GMT
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From:         Loree Harpster <PCYLHP@UTAHUSI.BITNET>
Subject:      APS Info Requests

Hi, All:

    I'm starting to get some input from those planning on going to APS.
I guess that means you have taken me up on my (impulsive) offer to co-
ordinate things.  Great!   In order to compile some useful information,
please provide the following by Saturday, 4/18.

    Your Name
    E-mail address
    Dates you plan to be at the conference
    Interested in locating roomies?
    If so, how many?
    Smoker/Non-smoker (if looking for roomies)
    Interested in getting together for a Pscygrad party?
    If so, do you have a preferred day?
    Presenting?  Y/N   If yes, when? (We can all visit each other's
    presentations.)

Please send your contributions to either pcylhp@utahusi.bitnet or
psyllh@freud.sbs.utah.edu.

   Once I receive the information, I will put together a list of those
attending, e-mail addresses, and requests for roomies.  We can then be-
gin to make personal connections and get reservations, etc. firmed up.

   If you aren't sure of your plans at this point, please forward your
info as soon as you can.

   (Anybody up for riding the "Tiajuana Trolley" down to ...you guessed
it, Tiajuana?)

   If you've been in touch with me already, please provide any additional
info as outlined above.  This could be a fun time!

   Loree Harpster (In the throes of a Rocky Mountain Spring, and stuck
   inside).
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:01:33 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Legitimate therapies

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:22:08 EDT Someone    said:
>   Don't forget that one reason we have licensing laws is because
>psychotherapy can be injurious.  If there were no risk at all, then anyone
>could do it -- bartenders, beautician, in-laws, etc. -- for whatever they
>can charge.  Same would go for practicing medicine.

Don't forget that bartenders, beautician, in-laws, etc. have been doing
psychotherapy for thousands of years before the word "psychotherapy" was
invented.  People are the same as they were then.  They have and always
will talk to each other to help one another, although the name of it will
change and the laws will come and go over the years.

You say, "If there were no risk at all, then anyone could
do it (psychotherapy)."  Psychotherapy is not a legislated
practice.  There is no law which regulated the use of the
word in describing what a person does.  Anyone can claim to
be a psychotherapist.  Not everyone can claim to be a licenced
clinical psychologist.

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:50:40 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BIG SCIENCE
              9 Apr 1992 17:16:00 EDT from <LEAJ@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:16:00 EDT Jim Lea said:
>I don't know if it's possible to wholly separate the politics of
>academic science from science as it's practiced today.  The worth of
>certain avenues of inquiry is socially defined, isn't it?  I like to

Well, certain avenues are socially defined.
Others, if you are asking me, are not.
People who dare not ask a question unless it is politically correct
find their research socially defined, yet fundable.

>think we're striving for something like objective facts, but there are
>social constraints on what gets funded, published, etc.  I suppose one
>could be a maverick, but one's resources would be seriously constrained.

In other words, do what we tell you to do, or you will get any money.
I say, and so do others, "Get those carrots out of my face.  I have
a race to run."  The nature of the track need not be positivistic,
either.

>Presumably, if one's really brilliant, people will eventually notice.

So, if you want to be noticed, either bank on political correctness
in science or bank on brilliance.  What if you do not want to be
noticed and you are not "brilliant" but just a plain ol' genius?

>Peer criticism probably isn't such a bad thing, in science as in life.

I depends on how your peers criticize; As a means to make their research
more credible and worth more money?

More grist for the mill.  Have fun.

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From:         "Mustafa AlAbsi 270-0510 Student Psychiatry"
              <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: APA mailing list?
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Good.. Joe Melcher has provided the adresssdress.  I read his response
 after
I submitted my previous message... sorry. al'
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:45:00 EST
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From:         Michael Wexler <WEXLER@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: gender differences and romance/attraction

  In examining gender differences in relationships, in young couples
at least, there is the big problem that they analyze themselves, and
compare the attributions and attitudes with each other.  Thus,
generalizations becomes somewhat confused since they will tend to
do what they think they should be doing in a rela, not necessarily
what they want to do.

  In my work, I have not really encountered consistent and definite
styles such as you describe (friend to lover, or vice versa).  This
has been a focus of mine since we are not really sure which works
better...  While there are lots of sex differences in the lower
level functions (disclosure, intimacy, etc.), an overall
effect for sex in these types of styles has not been found (I think).

  However, if we take a functional analysis, we see that there are
different goals in friendship and romance, often by sex.  Males say
that one "technique" to get closer is to "pretend" friendship to gain
trust and turn it into something more.  These friendships reach a
decision point, and then either become more or dissipate.  A true
friendship often does not hit this point, if only that the pair have
outside partners.  We also get into the problem that a) males and
females have odd friendship patterns (ala Harry and Sally) and b)
Males attrib female niceness to sexual attraction, and females attrib
male niceness to being nice.  This miscommunication can cause confusion
as well...

  In summary, I have no answer, just some rambles.  However, I look
forward to responses and assistance, Friendship is a tough Duck to
swallow!    (Joking reference to Steven Duck, foremost researcher
of frienship and close relas...)

Michael Wexler @unc.bitnet,   Unc.oit.unc.edu
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Regression therapy

To BBLININGTON@UAMS,
  How then do you advocate gaining a better understanding therapy
outcome?  I'm not sure I picked up that thread in your recent post.
David Fresco
FRESCO@unc.oit.unc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:18:12 CST
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From:         "Tony Bottausci (306) 586-0160" <BOTTAUSC@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Legitimate therapies
              13 Apr 1992 13:42:23 EDT from <NANGEL@FS1.PSY.EMORY.EDU>

   NANGEL,

       True....the fact that some can conduct whatever 'therapy' they want
       withoutbeing licenced 'Psychologists' might be scary. However, your
       neighbourhood minister might promote some movement in peoples' lives
       that may be therapeutic, although he or she is not bound by a set of
       'ethical' principles outlined by APA. Of course you will rhetort that
       the minister is bound by 'other' ethical principles  outlined by the
       church. However, even shamans and witchdoctors can produce effects
       and they dont even belong to professional associations, let alone
       being bound by ethical principles.


       MORAL of MY STORY: Use whatever works....even if not by a licensed
       Psychologist. The point is the final result in terms  of alleviation
       of suffering. The principle 'Primum no nocere' (above all do no harm)
       should be a rule of  thumb.

                                          Tony
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:28:48 EST
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Therapy, Regression & Otherwise

This story on the regression therapy scandal has gotten a lot of talk and
publicity lately around here.  Such ironies as a psychotherapist doing such
ridiculous things to a patient is bound to stir up a lot of dust, just as
it would when we read of police officers who break the law, doctors who
kill people, etc.
   I agree with some of you who have written earlier that we have an ethical
obligation to gather scientific, empirical evidence that any particular
therapy works before charging someone a lot of money to go through it. This
need not exclude any therapy, from analysis to pure reinforcement theory to
warm 'n fuzzy humanism.  We also have an ethical responsibility to prescribe
that type of treatment that is most effective, a potential problem with all
orientations.  Although the dynamic types often get criticized for seeing
everything in their terms, I've seen a number of behavioral clinicians who
use a therapy that's excellent in some cases but overprescribe it for anything
or anyone who walks in the door.  I don't know much about this regression
therapy but the few facts I've picked up from these news accounts suggest
that it would be hard to explain it to a roomful of colleagues while keeping a
straight face, nevermind the empirical support.
   Also, there isn't a lot we can do when a psychotherapist, a broad term
getting broader by the week nowadays, is unethical, pathological, poorly
trained or just plain idiotic.  At least not until the story breaks in the
national press.  If we insist on stringent training programs, such as the
marathon of a clinical psych Ph.D. program, then we're accused of elitism
and overtraining.  I don't know what the answer is, but I do find myself
irritated and embarrassed at what passes for the ethical, effective and
humane practice of psychology.  I suspect that the insurance companies will
eventually do a lot more than our profession to enforce standards.
Tim - UF
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:40:35 EDT
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From:         "Walter M. Lakey" <psy9wml@CABELL.VCU.EDU>
Subject:      anger ref
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Drew,
      Sorry to be so long responding... just finished the mother of
all stat exams. The Suinn book, Anxiety Management Training, has some
good suggestions in it. I'll know if they work after piloting some
subjects. I also discovered Spielberger's State/Trait Anger Scale.
Have you ever used it?  It's mentioned on p.97, but I've not yet had
time to check it out. Thanks again.
peace,
walter
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:10:15 CST
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From:         james canaday <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ELIZA's native tongue.
              10 Apr 1992 13:27:49 CST from <BOTTAUSC@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>

am glad to see the talk about Eliza...I too would like to find original
code please.
    in answer to the question on whether it would've been originally written in
 basic, I really doubt it.
jc[canaday at ukanvm]
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Hello all,

Here's an easy one.  What was the language of the original ELIZA program?  Has
anyone got source code they can send me?  Thanks.

Don Gallogly
EUP_DG@CWU.bitnet
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From:         "Mustafa AlAbsi 270-0510 Student Psychiatry"
              <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Bunny Story
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WWWoaw
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