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From: baardm@stud.cs.uit.no (Baard Misund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Ruling parties in Norden
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:52:56 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

In article <1992Apr13.174114.16796@gvl.unisys.com>, armagan@PRC.Unisys.COM (Armagan Ozdinc) writes:
|> Could someone tell me what the current ruling parties in Nordic countries
|> (Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark) are? Where do those parties
|> stand in the political spectrum (social democrat, socialist, far-right,
|> center-right, etc.)?
|> 
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------
|>  ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
|>  Paramax, Center for Advanced Information Technology
|> ________________________________________________________________

In Norway the ruling party is Labour. They call themselves both social 
democrats and socialists, and are further to the left politically 
speaking than labour in the UK, and the democratic party in the USA.

B.M.
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:02:17 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Bertil" == Bertil Jonell (d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se)

Bertil>   These numbers have been a commercial success for Televerket,
Bertil> so they are planning to expand it. What they are trying to do
Bertil> is to get hospitals, and various other authorities and
Bertil> departments to turn their public lines into 071-numbers. The
Bertil> advantages are that they will make a hefty profit from
Bertil> everybody that wants to ask questions about something, and
Bertil> that the number of callers that want answers will decrease.

I can understand how you might be mad at having to *pay* the tax
authorities for calling about one of their many stupid errors, but I
don't see why you blame the telecom company. 900-numbers are a simple
service and quite useful. The public authorities might be using them
for the wrong thing, but then *they* are the one to blame. 

Bertil>   It seems as if the high and mighty civil servants has grown
Bertil> tired of answering questions from the common rabble and wants
Bertil> to charge them for the privilige.

Not good. One the other hand, if the public authorities (as well as
anybody else) are using the 900-number service to provide *new*
pay-to-use services, I would see this as a Good Thing.

It all depends on what are being charged for.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vietnamese in Finland (was: Swedes in Finland)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:53:28 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <1992Apr2.140746.16477@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> Jarmo writes,
> 
> Just a few days ago I red in Aland Tidningen (the main news-paper on Aland)
> about the viethnamese in Narpes. 1. Just a few are left there of them who
> originally came a year ago. 2. After the honey-moon period when they came but
> there is now hostility towards them in Narpes  because of two reasons which
> you can read in Aland tidningen. 

Yes, I also heard about the stealing of a car, or whatever happened. The
main reasons Vietnamese really move to Helsinki is to find more fellow
countrymen, and the initial reason these fugitives are accepted in
Narpes and other Swedish-speaking places has more to do with political
and liberal issues. I don't think Ku Clux Klan style persecution is
exactly what happens in Osterbotten :-).

Cheers,
Kent
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Handball
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:05:28 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

In article <1992Apr8.141417.23121@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
>Helgi.Hjalmarsson@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>
>>I just want to post the ecstatic outcome of the B-worldcup competition
>>in handball, which was held in Austria a short time back. 
>
>> 1) Norway
>> 2) Austria
>> 3) Iceland
>> 4)  Switzerland
>
>Congratulations!
>
>How come Iceland is so good at this particular sport? Other coutntries
>of the size (roughly) of Iceland, like Luxembourg or Malta,  have never
>really made an impact in sports, esp. not in team sports.
>
>>Helgi Hjalmarsson
>-- 
A comment,
In Helsinki at The Olympic Games of 1952 the winner of 800 meters running
 was from Luxembourg.
I do not remember his name now. In canadian ice-hockey was a player
one of the best during resent years who originated from Malta. Liechenstein
has had good alpinists. But however in javelin icelanders are good
in the competition of the strongest man in the world as far I remember
the winner was 1991 an icelander. He was in Finnish tv many times.
But as you notice I have a bad memonory concernig the names. You remember the
name of the worl strongest man? Very tall, quite young, 2 meters at last

jarmo
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: Ruling parties in Norden
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:56:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.185655.18024@kth.se> matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.231413.28372@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>>
>>... before anyone
>>decides that New Jersey (or anywhere in the US) is some kind of tax
>>haven, I would like to note several things.  
>
>And I'd like to comment on these from a Swedish point of view...

By the way, what percentage of the national income goes to government
spending in Sweden?  In the  US, it is around 40%.
From: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Hard times in Norway?
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:58:16 GMT
Reply-To: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <22920@goofy.Apple.COM>, ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>I really hope they finally trashed the 
>IMHO silly eastern Europe/Russia dominated export market, and 
>move the country into the information age. 

Yes, the Finnish economy suffers badly from the fall of the Soviet 
Union, and the Finnish exports there.  From what is said in Sweden, a 
few years ago, 25% or more of the Finnish exports were to the Soviets.  
Today it's down to 5% or less (with the total exports being lower).

>You can't sell paper and paper factories forever.

Do you still believe in the myth of the "paperless office"?  I think 
there will always be a demand for paper and paper products.  Copiers, 
faxes, newspapers, books and packages are some things in our 
"information age" which use paper.  The question is rather from where 
the paper comes, Finland, Sweden, U.S.A., Canada or Chile?

mats d.

********************************************************************************

  mats dahlgren 
  Dept. of Physical Chemistry		Mail:	matsd@physchem.kth.se
  The Royal Institute of Technology	Phone:	+46 8 790 8595
  S-100 44  Stockholm, Sweden           Fax:	+46 8 790 8207

              All opinions expressed above are private opinions.
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From: espen@coli.uni-sb.de (Espen J. Vestre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: Increasing amount of people against EU in Denmark
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:16:11 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

In article <1992Apr1.111401.18664@odin.diku.dk> karl@diku.dk 
(Karl-Christian Hansen) writes:
> I saw something in the Paper yesterday: If Danes wanted their children to
> live, they should move to Sweden :-) , since an increasing amount of 
> very young children die in Denmark. 
> 
> Ah well, it might not be the fault of the EEC, but I couldn't help 
wondering.
> Sweden isn't a member - yet. 
> 
> Maybe Norway's the place?

I thought I'd refrain from responding to Karl-Christian's messages 
anymore, but this one needs commenting:  The answer is NO.  The death rate 
of infants is, compared to european standards, too high in Norway.  
However, I think it's still somewhat unclear what the reasons for the 
varying death rates really are, Norwegian medical researchers are working 
hard on it.  In Norway, it has been suggested that women working too hard 
too close to the delivery may be a reason.  For this reason, two extra 
weeks off before the delivery have been introduced.  This might also be a 
reason in Denmark, the frequency of full-time working women is very high, 
but I don't know if Sweden has better regulations than Denmark.
  Btw, health care during pregnancy seems to be better here in Germany 
than in Norway.  Despite being basically fond of good old 
"velferdsstaten", I have to admit that the german health system in general 
works better than the norwegian one.  And it's in some respects even more 
social, as an example I can mention a tough infection two years ago which 
costed my family almost 1000 kroners in medical assitance and medicine.  
Here it would have been almost completely covered by the insurance.
  Btw2: I find your smiley tasteless.

--Espen (father of a norwegian-born child and soon-to-be father
         of a german-born child)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Espen J. Vestre,                          espen@coli.uni-sb.de
Universitaet des Saarlandes,        
Computerlinguistik, Gebaeude 17.2 
Im Stadtwald,
D-6600 SAARBRUECKEN, Germany           tel. +49 (681) 302 4501
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From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: I desperately need lower taxes.
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:47:47 GMT
	<WOLFGANG.92Apr13134326@sam.first.gmd.de>
	<1992Apr14.091533.15727@eua.ericsson.se>
Organization: HUGIN Expert A/S


>>>>> On 14 Apr 92 09:15:33 GMT, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) said:

wolfgang@sam.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes:

>... or you get old, ill etc. Need a heart transplantation, a cancer surgery,
>you-name-it, for say 2 million. Those children you have never seen before
>will pay for you ...

euafriu> Yes, but they don't have to do it via taxes and the state. Have you ever
euafriu> heard of insurances? It actually works when my 2-million house burns down.
euafriu> We don't have any taxes for that, do we?

If you can't afford paying the fire insurance for a 2 million (X)
house, then your house probably isn't worth 2 million (X) anyway.

If you can't afford paying the health insurance for a 2 million (X)
surgery, then your life probably isn't worth 2 million (X) anyway.

It actually makes sense once you have the right mind set.
From: barbara@gorgon.forut.no (Barbara Wasson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Looking for Freia (yum,yum)
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:20:42 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

In <1992Apr10.171748.4943@ac.dal.ca> hansenk@ac.dal.ca writes:

>I'm looking for the address of Freia Choclate. 

Greetings from a fellow Canadian!!

I have also discovered Firklover since I have moved to north
Norway. Since I have not seen a response to your posting - most
people are on Easter holiday - I looked up the address in the 
Oslo telephone book. Here it is:

Freia A/S (A/S means Inc.)
Joh. Throne Holsts Pl. 1
N-0566 Oslo 5
Norway

Fax: +47 02 630940
or   +47 02 631081


Good luck!!
Hilsen,
Barb
--

  Barbara Wasson               barbara@forit.forut.no   """""""""""
" Norwegian Telecom Research                                      "
" TROMSOE, city of the midnight fun    - from Let's Go Europe     "
From: sharder@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Soren Harder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: I desperately need lower taxes.
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:57:31 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

sundinKC@dna.lth.se (Anders Sundin) writes:

>As I don't have any children I don't see why I should have to pay for a
>child through high taxes. I have never seen him/her, and yet I have to pay
>for everything from pre-birth check-ups to a university diploma.

Who do you think should pay for his/her university education. (S)He
takes for the sake of the country. Going to university isn't a trip to
Disneyland, you know. Actually I find it a disgrace that students are
not paid better all over the world. (I don't know about the swedish
situation, but the Danish get close to, but not, enough).

And (oh I hate to use this old argument) is going to pay for you when
you become an OAP.

>-- 
> Anders Sundin           e-mail: sundinKC@dna.lth.se

Soren Harder

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Soren Harder, (MSc student)
Centre for Cognitive Science, 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh
E-mail: sharder@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fslsh@ocs01.lerc.nasa.gov (Lennart S Hultgren)
Subject: Re: I desperately need lower taxes.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:16:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.071339.29243@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:
>reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>
>>...the US where...
>>most of the children are coming out of the public schools unable to read, 
>                                            ^^^^^^
>
>Now that's a fine argument for high taxes: *public* schools don't teach
>children to read, even! Keep up the good work, Reykja!

Last time I checked, the taxes (including VAT = MOMS) were still much
lower here in the states than compared to Sweden.  Also, (you may or
may not know this) public schools are mainly financed through local
real estate taxes here.  So in reasonably wealthy suburbs where the
tax base and the will to pay for good schools exists (it keeps the
property values up since good schools is one criterion commonly used
here when deciding where and when to move) the kids know their 3R's
and are reasonably prepared when they graduate from high school.  The
problem is with the inner cities and other poor school districts where
the tax base (and maybe neither the will) simply does not exist.

Don't get me wrong -- I don't particularly want to pay more taxes than
I already do (yesterday was tax-day here in the US and my wallet is
still hurting :-)), but *please* comments like the one above will not
convince anybody about the need to lower taxes in Sweden.


--
Lennart S. Hultgren           | SnailMail: Mail Stop 5-9   | Any similarity of 
Email: hultgren@lerc.nasa.gov | NASA Lewis Research Center | my views and those
Voice: (216) 433-6070         | Cleveland, OH 44135        | of my employer are
FAX:   (216) 433-8864         |                            | purely accidental
From: lyled@pnet05.cts.com (Lyle Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Hard times in Norway?
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:10:03 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet05], Carlsbad CA


        I was rather surprised to see a report on CNN this past Sunday from
Norway wherein the reporter noted that Norway is also in the midst of a major
recession, with unemployment at 8% (higher than the US's) and with a great
many Norwegians losing their homes through foreclosure.

        We were, of course, aware of the economic malaise that has swept
America but there was a tendency to think that Scandinavia in general and
Norway in particular was just cruising along with the economy and all in a
healthy state.  Apparently the current downturn in the economy is due mostly
to the declining prices of oil.

        I also noted that the CNN reporter form Norway, Bjorn Eide (?)  Elde
(?) must have been an older reporter.  His report carried a heavy Norwegian
accent.  Unusual, I thought, as most Norwegians I met when I had come "home"
had little, if any, accent.  These were, however, younger Norwegians.

UUCP: {nosc, ucsd}!crash!ipars!pnet05!lyled
ARPA: ipars!pnet05!lyled@nosc.mil
INET: lyled@pnet05.cts.com
From: co@chrom1.mednet.gu.se (Christer Olsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Maj Wechselmann (Re: Describing beatiful women (Was: I owe it all to Eric ..))
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: co@chrom1.mednet.gu.se (Christer Olsson)
Organization: Mednet

In article <HANS.92Apr3145103@ravn.iesd.auc.dk>, hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Hey, Maj Wechelmann turned 50 the other day (April 1, as a matter of
|> fact) and nobody seems to have noticed!

Is it possible to write her name into news wihtout being sued by herself?
From: friedan@central.rutgers.edu (Daniel Friedan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: question for Macintosh users in Sweden
Keywords: macintosh
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:42:29 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I apologize if this posting is not appropriate to the newsgroup.

I am just on the verge of buying a U.S. model Macintosh system to be
used by a teenager living in Sweden.  But I am nervous about several
possible pitfalls.

I would appreciate reassurance and/or warning from anyone with relevant
knowledge.

I am planning to buy the U.S. versions of
    a Macintosh Classic II (4/80) and
    a U.S. model Stylewriter.

Apparently, Apple will not sell the European versions in the states.
I plan to buy in the states because I can receive an educational
discount.

I will try to buy an A4 paper tray for the Stylewriter, a copy of the
Swedish version of System 7, Swedish Truetype fonts and Swedish keycap
labels but I am not very optimistic of being able to order them here.

I will buy a 220/110 power adapter and a U.S. line splitter to get power
to the computer and the printer.

I am worried about the following:

    1.  Will the computer and printer tolerate the frequency (Hz) of
        European power?

    2.  Will it be expensive to buy, in Goteborg, Sweden,
            - an A4 paper tray for the Stylewriter,
            - a copy of the Swedish version of System 7,
            - Swedish Truetype fonts and
            - Swedish keycap labels?

Any advice would be welcomed.
-- 
        Dan Friedan

      internet:     friedan@physics.rutgers.edu
        bitnet:     friedan@ruthep
From: shur@concour.cs.concordia.ca (SHURTLEFF h. michael)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: translation help needed
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:52:10 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

Can someone translate the following and send the 
corresponding English version to
shur@concour.cs.concordia.ca

"Dril mig ikke
Det er mandag og
jeg er sulten"

Thank you. 

Mike
From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: Ruling parties in Norden
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.221415.6857@lth.se> sundinKC@dna.lth.se (Anders Sundin) writes:
>I agree that there is certainly room for improvment in the Swedish tax system.
>However, I would like to point out that all percentages are not created 
>equal... :-)
>
>Correct me if I am wrong but should we not compare like this (I pull out my
>trusted HP calculator). Lets say that one US $ is 6 kr.
>
>Swedish taxes as above                            US taxes as above
> 300000                     "Cost of salary"                50000
>-111000  37%           employer tax | social sec    15%     -7500    
>-------                                                    ------
> 189000                         "Salary"                    42500
>-103950  34.65% (=55% of    Federal+local tax       38%     19000    
>-------          189 kkr)                                  ------
>  85050                  Money left for consumption         23000
> -18711  22% (18-25)         Tax on consumtion       5%      1150
>-------                                                 ------
>  66339                      What we have left              21850


This overestimates the US tax burden for several reasons.
(1) Someone who only makes $50000 would not be in the very top tax
bracket, and in any case, his *average* (as opposed to marginal) income
tax rate would be far less than 38%.
(2) Half of the Social Security Tax is a so-called "employer's
contribution" which isn't included as part of gross income (and thus
would not be subjected to further taxes).
(3) Benefits (medical insurance, pension contributions, etc.) are
usually supplied on top of the gross salary, and are thus also
untaxed.
(4) There are other loopholes.
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dagens Nyheter April 6th on Swedish-speaking
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:49:06 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <1992Apr8.120624.10845@husc3.harvard.edu>, percus@husc9.harvard.edu
(Allon Percus) writes:
> 
> In article <ISAC.92Apr8092539@rieska.oulu.fi> isac@rieska.oulu.fi (Juha
Iisakka) writes:
> >You are a paranoid. Most of people is not interested of poems.
 
> I guess that makes Finnish culture something of an oxymoron then.

Please, we studied and read poems in our high school, I personally
think that Finns in general appreciate good lyrics. And Finns
read a lot of books, compared with some other cultures...

Cheers,
Kent
Xref: sparky soc.culture.nordic:2657 soc.culture.europe:3548 eunet.politics:584
From: percus@husc9.harvard.edu (Allon Percus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of EU (was Re: Increasing EU op
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:22:18 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr6.175845.19058@midway.uchicago.edu> rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Also there are family ties
>and cultural issues (Mississippi is probably about as
>different from Chicago culturally as Britain is from Denmark,
>though of course there isn't the language barrier).

I agree with the rest of the posting but not with this bit.  Remember,
the U.S. has by world standards an extremely homogenous cultural
distribution.  It is entirely a normal thing for someone to move
from Mississippi to Chicago for job reasons.  In Europe this is very
rare indeed.

I think a fair statement might be that Mississippi is about as
different from Chicago culturally as Aberdeen is from London.

Allon Percus
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vietnamese in Finland (was: Swedes in Finland)
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:38:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: goofy.22907
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <1992Apr1.132055.951@hellgate.utah.edu>,
u-lchoqu%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette) writes:
> 
> In article <22260@goofy.Apple.COM> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>  > I have some information about Vietnameese refuges living in Narpes,
>  > Finland (the swedish talking part of the country). They have a 
>  > translator which helps them with the daily work, but they get training
>  > to learn their new language, Swedish (hep!).
> 
> I have always wondered about this.  It seems as though the Finnish government
> places a lot of its non-Nordic immigrants in Swedish-speaking parts of
Finland.
> I've also talked to Vietnamese in N{rpes, as well as Larsmo, another Swedish-
> speaking rural area.  Isn't it harder for the Vietnamese to first learn
Swedish
> in their home area and then Finnish if they want an attractive job in a larger
> city?  (Maybe that's why Finland puts them there, to reduce competition for
> jobs that require competence in Finnish :-)
> 
> Perhaps the government rationalizes that Swedish is easier to learn than
> Finnish, and I can see how that would be true for an English speaker, a German
> speaker, etc., but it surely can't make any difference for someone who speaks
a
> wholly unrelated language like Vietnamese.

I don't know about the ultimate motives, it also depends on the communities,
maybe the Swedish speaking ones allow emigrants to move in more than the 
Finnish ones, but I'm not sure about that.

In general, what I've heard the Vietnamese feel isolated up there, and they
usually move to Helsinki where they have more fellow countrymen.

Cheers,
Kent