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From: hudson@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A-TEAM
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:33:46 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <9212111549.AA10027@stortek.com>, vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
# In article <9212041812.AA01730@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>
# weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed 283-4162) writes:
# #BTW: despite the humongous firefights in the A-Team, can anyone recall
# #anyone being hit? ever? let alone killed?
#  
#  I remember hearing at the time, (I don't know how true it is),
#  that Mr. T demanded that "no one be shot" by the guns since he
#  didn't think kids should see that kind of violence.  Instead
#  they all grew up thinking guns are harmless toys :-(
# 
#  On a related note, the guy who produced the A-Team, (Stephen
#  Cannell (sp?)), now has one of the best records for accurate
#  portrayal of firearms on TV.  Shows like (stingray, wisguy,
#  is also very pro-gun nowdays.
# 
#                                 Bill Vojak

I went to get a state inspection for my Blazer today, and went
in the places waiting room.  On the TV was, you got it, the A-Team!

I noticed their weapons, an M60 and several Ruger Mini-14s.  The minis
were decked out with folding stocks and flash hiders, in matching
stainless to the rest of the weapon.  They looked just like my brother-in-
laws mini after we re-stocked and put several other accesories on it from 
Federal Ordnance.  I wonder.....?????  I remember watching the show when it 
was actually on prime time, and figured those mini 14s were some variety 
that Ruger sold as such, but if I remember right, Rugers folding stock was 
a little different.  Oh well.

I also noticed that they all shot the minis with the stock folded, 
holding it out in front of them, no aiming.  I guess that was OK, because 
they didn't hit anything but cars and trees anyway.  The M60 was doing a 
lot of firing for a weapon with no ammo belt in it, too.

I think I actually liked that show when it first came on, whenever that
was!  BTW, does anyone remember when it was on prime time, network, and 
what network???  That might be interesting to know.

Keith
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From: keith@orioncmc.ca (Keith de Solla)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: More on dry firing
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:59:39 GMT
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation

In article <1992Dec16.075612.29021@netcom.com>, pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.014824.12112@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
|> #Well, _I'm_ going to use the decocker lever as God and SIG intended, rules
|> #or no rules.
|> #
|> #Harumph! (-:
|> #
|> #(Seriously, would this be a rules violation?  Sounds pretty silly, if so).
|> 
|> Actually, not silly at all.  The point of "show clear, hammer down, holster"
|> is to make the gun safe.  Showing clear makes sure there is no round in the
|> chamber.  Hammer down (using the trigger) makes *damn* sure there is no round
|> in the chamber.  Note that even though the RO checks the chamber, if you drop
|> the hammer and it goes bang, you get DQ'd.

I was told at my IPSC Black Badge course that if the gun goes bang when the RO
tells you to drop the hammer, it is HIS/HER fault as they checked the chamber
and you would not get DQ'd.

|> 
|> When using the decocker, you nullify the safety check the hammer drop is 
|> intended for.  By USPSA (and IPSC, I believe) rules, the hammer *must* drop
|> by function of the trigger.
|> 
|> -- 
|> DVC,
|>   Paul
|> 

-- 
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| Keith P. de Solla        |  "Be sure brain is engaged before    |
| CMC                      |   putting mouth in gear"             |
| keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca    |                                      |
From: callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:38 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec18.060446.5222@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
#jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:
#
##I don't remember if this was mentioned, but I think some "defensive"
##(_real_ "defensive") driving study might be more appropriate.  
#
#Yes, but we must be careful lest they try to ban "Assault Yugos". ;)

But Yugo's don't come with automatic transmissions; thus, they can't
_really_ be called assault Yugos, now can they? ;-)

#Actually, I'd like to see some sort of truly defensive driving taught.
#Teach people how to avoid car-jackers and hot-headed drivers and you'd
#probably save lots of lives.

There's actually a driving school which teaches you driving that's
defensive to the point of becoming offensive. It's designed for
executives, to teach them how to dodge terrorists/kidnappers. If I
remeber correctly, one of the things taught is dealing with
gunfire while driving (though I don't remember which way the bullets
are going). It teaches you how to use your car as a battering ram
(running a road block, damaging/disabling the other guy's car while
keeping yours going), how to perform high-speed evasive maneuvers,
and so forth. You know, the basics you learned in Driver's Ed. :-)

I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the school, but I
think it's back East, maybe in Maryland. MotorWeek '93 did a story
about it, so watch your local PBS station for the rebroadcast
sometime this/next year...

#The one thing so many people forget to do (and in fact I'm having a
#hard time getting into the habit) is to LOCK THEIR DOORS when they're
#driving.  If a criminal is going to break your window, he'll break
#your window, but there's no point in making it easy on him.  

The three doors I don't use are always locked, unless I'm loading stuff
into my car, but they still get locked before closing. My driver's side
door is another story, although it usually gets locked by my arm...
(I drive a '92 Escort, BTW.) I have noticed an irritating "feature"
of the Pontiac Sunbird I'm driving while my Escort's getting the trunk
pulled back out of the passenger compartment--every time I shift the little
SOB's automatic transmission into reverse, the doors lock! I don't know
if it's supposed to or not, but it's annoying, though it might be nice
in LA :-).

				James

James P. Callison       Microcomputer Coordinator        OU Law Library 
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Looking for 10mm recomendations
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:33:40 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <9212141826.AA15571@bigguy.eng.ufl.edu> glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto) writes:
#
#I have a Glock 20, and it is awesome... 

	So far, so good.

#He 
#loaded one so hot that flame shot through the trigger slot and burned his 
#finger; the Glock still cycled the round beautifully.  

	Question #1: Is this not a waste of gunpowder?

#This same officer 
#alternated .40 and 10mm in the same clip, and fired two clips without a 
#problem.

	#2:  Are you saying that he shot both .40 and 10mm from the same
	gun?  Please forgive my probable ignorance, but how did the .40
	seat itself (headspace wise) in the longer 10mm chamber?  Would
	it not be flappin' around in there or is there something here
	that I am completely unaware of?
#

	-Andy V.
From: smpod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt or Springfield 1911 A1
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:51:05 GMT
Organization: who knows

<34547@adm.brl.mil>, sporay@adm.brl.mil (Ralph Sporay) writes...
#(Renie Maycon) writes:
##Which is a better gun for the money springfield or colt?
# 
##Is it really worth spending more money for a colt?
# 
#I was also curious, until I talked to a few gunsmiths whom are members
#of the American Pistolsmiths Guild. They prefered to or would not work 
#on any thing but a Colt or Caspian (1911A1). Used Colts also seem to
#hold their value very well. I now own two Colts.

I know gunsmiths who will not touch the series 80 Colts and recommend series
70 and Springfields.
From: rollend@rocket.sanders.lockheed.com (Matt Rollender)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: surplus ammo
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:44 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.


Hi,

I am going to purchase a 1000 rounds of surplus 7.62NATO ammo.
My questions are:
	1. What are the issues between corrosive vs. non-corrosive,
	   ie, price, shelf-life, etc.
	2. What is a reasonable price when purchased in 1000 round 
	   increments.
	3. Where can I buy the ammo through the mail at these low, low
	   prices 8*)

	thanks,
		Matt

	
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From: callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Superiour revolvers/$650 s&w 686
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:34:36 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <EDP.92Dec15165200@roo.sneaks.kodak.com> edp@sneaks.kodak.com (Ed Pendzik -- Sun Consulting) writes:
#
##I paid my 686 900 sfr. Now, it the same. A MR-93 is around 1050 sfr. A US
##dollar is around 1.4 sfr. As you can see the prices are quite close. At
##least, they are comparable.
#
#$643 * 1.4 = 900.2 sfr.
#
#$643! WOW! is that really what a new S&W 686 costs in Switzerland?
#
#around here they are about $350 new for a 6" 686. I have been shopping
#for one used while a friend saves up the cash. in the USA, since many
#police forces are going to hi-cap autos, the revolvers are being traded
#in and you can get a very good condition, used 6" 686 for between
#$240 and $270, plus sales tax (7.5% in my locale), and about $20
#for an FFL/dealer to do the transaction. 

Yeah...all the S&W revolvers around here run less than $300. The only
revolver I've seen locally for $600+ was a Colt Python with a 6" bbl...
and the consensus was that it was overpriced (the dealer thought so
too; he's selling it on consignment).
My SIG didn't cost as much as that Python (even after 3-dot combat
sights and Hogue grips), and _I_ think my SIG is a better gun. ;-)
There was a Smith .44 wheelgun with a 4"bbl which I would have _loved_
to have bought (it was nearly new, stainless, with either Pachmeyer or
Hogue grips (I don't recall which...) for $275...
There was a used Smith .357 wheelgun, 4"bbl, blued, with Pachmeyer grips,
but it was only $220 (N-frame, I think; I'm not all that familiar with
wheelguns--it was a large-frame .357, and the dealer said it was "the
original .357 Magnum").

				James

James P. Callison       Microcomputer Coordinator        OU Law Library 
Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
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DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
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	Please! Let's call it "informationally impaired."
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: "Reality" shows a
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:55:40 GMT
Organization: Sun

In article <92345.112736U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes:
#In article <1992Dec4.210653.3, hollombe@polymath.tti.co says:
##I've been noticing a few 7 or 8 shot revolvers of late.  The occasional
#
#Well, about the funiest movie with gun jokes in it that I've ever seen was
#the one done by Keenan Ivory Wayans (I'll remember the name of the movie
#once I leave the terminal- God, I'm drawing a blank----------------------)

"I'm Gonna Get You, Sucka!"


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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:19:36 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

KEVIN@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU (Kevin Whyte) writes:

#I've thought about this a lot recently especially with the upswing in
#car-jackings.  I don't know that having a firearm in the car is going to do you
#a damn bit of good anyway.  Where would you keep it?  

My gun either lays on the seat (bench) or in a pocket on the hump (bucket),
depending on which car I drive.  Whenever I'm in a condition where I
feel exposed, my hand is on the gun.  Since it is cocked and locked,
all that is needed to respond is to pull it, flip the safety and fire.

#How could you get to it before the perp shoots?  I think prevention is the 
#only way to combat
#car-jacking because once the attacker is in your car it's too late.
#Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on how to deal with the situation?

The number one rule to staying out of problems is to be aware.  Don't 
just sit at the traffic light staring ahead or daydreaming.  Swivel
that head.  Know what is around.  Don't be ashamed/fearful of looking
directly at someone near your vehicle.  I know it is uncomfortable but
it is part of being aware.

Can you always react in time?  Probably not.  But I'd rather give it a
shot than to simply meekly sit there and take it.

John
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From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stainless and WD40
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:54 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Dec15.183750.23666@ke4zv.uucp> emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
#In article <EDP.92Dec14120552@roo.sneaks.kodak.com> edp@sneaks.kodak.com (Ed Pendzik -- Sun Consulting) writes:
##I have been using break-free for years. it's thicker than wd-40,
##it doesn't attract water, and has teflon in it.
#
#Break Free is ok, but the teflon content is over-rated as a lubricant.
#Under pressure, teflon acts as a friction enhancer, not a friction
#reducer. Try Dri-Slide instead for a good pressure lubricant, or a
#thin film of moly wheel bearing grease. Of course that attracts dirt,
#so you have to clean more often.

I use an anhydrous graphite (GunSlick?) for the slide rails of my
autos, and only use a grease for systems with sliding bolts.  I've had
pretty good luck with the Shooters Choice grease, but I suspect that
any light grease would serve well in this use.  I use the SC synthetic
grease because it comes in a nice little syringe allowing dabbing in
tight places.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home   bbxrbk!russ@bbx.basis.com
Will hack unix for food
From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 416/30 short wildcat... donations?
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:35:47 GMT


We're working on a 30 calibre wildcat, based on the 416 Rigby case.
Unfortunately, we don't have any brass to work with, so I was wondering
if anybody out there had any old 416 Rigby, 378 Weatherby, 416 Weatherby,
or 460 Weatherby brass laying around that they'd like to donate to the
project.

I am aware of the 30 phoenix, offered in complete rifles by MacMillan.
Does anyone out there know of any other 416/30 wildcats that have been
tried?

--Dan
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:32 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <1992Dec11.015633.9398@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
#In article <viking.723973300@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
## ...
##	Personally, I would place both hands behind my head and interlock
##the fingers when I got out of the car and before mentioning the gun.  This
##shows I am willing to cooperate.

It also 'shows' that you are 'experienced' at being Felony Busted ...
As an Eagle Scout in Law Enforcement we learned how to do a 'Felony Stop'.
At my next traffic ticket ;-) I exited the car in this way as a 'favor'
to the cop.  He got Real Suspicious and checked me out very very fully...
When I explained my reasoning, he explained his ... that he thought I
must have been an experienced felon since I 'knew the drill' ... think
about it ...
#
#  An NC Ass't Atty General (and ex-police officer) told me that when
#talking through the drivers window that having both hands grasping
#the steering wheel at 12 o'clock was a good non-threatening posture.
#(While NC doesn't have CCW, one can have a firearm unconcealed in
#the car.)

This is exactly what I would do now.  Engine off.  Hands on the wheel
at 12 o'clock.  Smile to the officer and ask what he wants you to do,
then AFTER HE TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO, mention 'I have a CCW and a {type
gun in whatever carry position}, does that change what you want me to do?'

At least, that is what I would do if I had a CCW ...
-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Fake Guns
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:20:44 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)


I asked a question about Collector's Amoury (sp?) recently and
I also got a catalog. From the pictures I decided that I did not
want what they sold, but to add to that I found that they can only
sell old style guns to CA. This makes a lot of sense since I can
buy a real gun, but not a fake.

I want the gun for teaching purposes and therefore in my struggle to
find an acceptable solution I have made a few phone calls and have
some good leads. One place will sell me a gun that had been made inoperable,
but it still has a serial number and therefore has to be sent to a FFL.
Yes, friends, I would have to wait 15 days for a gun that can't shoot.
California, what a wonderful place.

If there are other NRA Instructors out there who have similar needs
send me email.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

Sierra Club Leader	NRA Life Member		Pro-freedom	Pro-choice

e-mail address: kemasa@ghost.hac.com
From: weba@batgirl.cs.hut.fi (Veijo Paavali L{nsikunnas)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Finncup -93 IPSC match
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:33:43 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab


          FINNCUP -93 INTERNATIONAL IPSC MATCH
          ************************************

HAUR ry invites all IPSC shooters to the annual Finncup IPSC match.

Finncup -93 match will be held at the Syndalen army shooting range
in Finland in the end of July 1993 (the exact date is not yet chosen)

The match last for two days, includes about 17 to 20 stages and it
is open to all individuals.


I will post detailed information when I get it.


If you are interested in this event please email me.

DVC//Veijo

PS. We provide help to obtain visitors gun licence.

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weba@niksula.cs.hut.fi                                       - Il Brutto
From: jamaass@bluemoon.use.com (Jeffrey A. Maass)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Long 1911 mags (was Shooting Star Mags)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:20:39 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

tmoore@tinton.ccur.com (Tim Moore) writes:

# jamaass@bluemoon.use.com (Jeffrey A. Maass) writes...
# 
# ->I can confirm this, sort of. "A guy" at McCormick said he had seen 
# ->one of the prototype new magazines, and that they would be avaiable
# ->around the first of the year. He didn't know how many rounds, but my
# ->guess is 11, 12, or 13.
# 
# ->These *WILL* extend below the grip, and will *NOT* be legal for
# ->use in the IPSC Limited class, but they will allow me to delay
# ->upgrading my current $2800 .45ACP to a high capacity .38 Super
# ->for a year or so.
# 
# The mag you are talking about will hold 11 rounds of .45.  They have been
# around for years.  I have one which I use for the 9-pin event at bowling
# pin matches.  Its a "no-name" brand I picked up at a gunshow about 6 years
# ago.  I measured mine and it is exactly the max length specified by the
# new USPSA rule.  
# 
# I don't think 11 rounds is going to help you that much Jeff.  Soon all the
# 24-25 round high-cap mags will be out...look for even more silly course
# design with 30+ rounds.  Instead of needing 9 or 10 rounds from a given
# positon you find that you'll need 12-13.
# 
# --Tim
# 

Tim: I've heard about the existing 11-round mags, and I'm speculating
that what McCormick has done for 7 round magazines (add one round)
they will do for the 11-rounders (add 2 or more rounds).

I am at a point in my learning curve where reloading time isn't
critical (I'm classiied D, but my past three scores against Master
class shooters have been middle B's) to my performance. I expect
that I'll notice it as a major problem near the middle of next year.

Since I'm concentrating on doing well on  IPSC Classifiers, I don't
worry much about the 30+ round field courses in my training and
planning. (Actually, I seem to do better on these courses than on
Classifiers, for some reason).

A few more rounds would be nice: $1800 (or so) for a 20-round 
38 Super would be nicer!


Jeff Maass                   Amateur Radio: K8ND (@ W8CQK)
Powell OH (NW of Columbus)         Netmail: jamaass@bluemoon.uucp
From: hacker@coos.dartmouth.edu (Fred L. Hacker)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: jamming in SIG P220
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:22:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I recently tried a SIG P220 in .45 cal. at the range.  While it
functioned perfectly with 230 gr. FMJ ammo when I tried Federal
185 gr. JHP ammo it jammed before I was through the first magazine.
I thought the SIG's were supposed to be very good about feeding all
types of ammunition.  Are the .45 SIG's more finicky about what you
feed them or are they known to have a problem with this particular ammo
or was this just an isolated problem with this particular gun?

Incidentally the next day I tried the Federal ammo in a colt
commander and it had no problem feeding it.

I'd be interested in any response.
Thanks,

Fred



A
A
A
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which SA .45 acp to purchase
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:29 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

}#Presence of this "integral ramp cut" in the stock ParaOrd is a mized blessing.
}#If you ever go "full custom", the ramp but may not be *exactly* the size you 
}#would want to match a specific make of custom bbl, and will also constrain you
}#to "ramped 45 bbl only" (a breed about as uncommon as the unramped 38 super
}#bbl).

Brownells sells several versions of ramped .45 1911 barrels, so they
aren't all _that_ hard to find.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                Do not meddle in the affairs of
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Santa Monica, CA  90405                        and go well with ketchup.