HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rap@bnr.co.uk (Richard Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: 7-day Underground passes
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:54:21 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs193.bnr.co.uk

In article <1993Jan25.131630.12968@bcrka451.bnr.ca> dewi@bnr.ca
(Dewi Williams) writes:

>I'd appreciate it if some Londoner could inform me how much it costs
>to get a 7-day pass for the Undergound/tube.

The pass is called a Travelcard, and is valid on buses, the Underground,
British Rail trains and the Docklands Light Railway.

>Questions:
>  - How much (pounds)

Depends on how many zones you want it to cover. The prices in pounds
Sterling are:

Zone  1 only        9.30
Zones 1 & 2        11.90
Zones 1 - 3        16.30
Zones 1 - 4        20.50
Zones 1 - 5        25.50
Zones 1 - 6        27.20

>  - what area does it cover

Zone 1 is the central area, roughly bounded by the Circle Line but
extending south as far as Elephant & Castle. The other zones are
roughly concentric, with zone 6 extending to the outer boundaries
of the London Boroughs (i.e. the former GLC area). Some London
Regional Transport services go beyond zone 6.

>  - Can it start on any day or must it be e.g. Sunday-to-Sunday

It is available for any seven consecutive days. Travel cards are
also available for longer periods and for one day.

>  - Any restrictions e.g. cannot use during rush hours

The one day Travelcards are only valid after 9.30, Monday to Friday,
and all day Saturday and Sunday. I don't think such restrictions
apply to Travelcard season tickets.

Richard
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: Fort Devens as a container terminal?
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: Hoosac clearances
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., North Andover, Massachusetts
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:30:57

In article <1993Jan24.002941.27181@oz.plymouth.edu> j_dietz@oz.plymouth.edu (John E. Dietz) writes:

            If the base is converted, will this finally convince Guilford
    to widen the clearences of the Hoosac Tunnel? Would Guilford be able
    to compete with Conrail's former Boston and Albany line to the south?

Last time around, Guilford took money from Ford to improve Hoosac clearances,
actually started work, and then punted and routed the traffic over CR to
Worcester.  This time, returning to the precedent set when Hoosac was first
built (prior to 1877), the Commonwealth of Mass. is proposed as the source
of the money.  Presumably they'll write actual completion into the contract.

CPR ownership of D&H has definitely improved the prospects for the old B&M
route through Fitchburg, Greenfield and North Adams, but I don't know the
traffic density.

James B. VanBokkelen		2 High St., North Andover, MA  01845
FTP Software Inc.		voice: (508) 685-4000  fax: (508) 794-4488
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New York World's Fair Monorail
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:34:17 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

> 
>   The question I have is who built the thing in the first place? I know
> AMF sponsored it, but did they also construct it? I can't believe a
> sporting equipment company would go to all that trouble for a one off
> system.

AMF -> American Machine & Foundry (If I remember this factoid right),
which was proably only into sporting goods and motorcycles through
diversification.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: Dealing with signal malfunctions
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 25 JAN 93 08:34:38    

In article <XN5TXB4w165w@1776.COM>, bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes...
>Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
>> This situation [signals changing to red as a result of a malfunction] has
>> happened to me numerous times...probably every 20th trip or so it will 
>> happen.  You get a 568 to pass the red signal, proceed at restricted speed
>> looking out for switches turned, broken rail etc to the next signal.

>How do you do that?  By peering out the windshield with binoculars?  By the
>time you get in sight of such an obstruction, you don't have much time to
>stop, do you?

	568 authorizes "restricted" speed.  BY DEFINITION, that means slow
	enough to stop short of a train, broken rail, switch not properly lined,
	or other obstruction.  Sometimes includes "not exceeding <mumble> mph
	in any case".  typical values of "mumble" are 15 mph or less.  (Convert
	to KPH to suit...  8)>>)

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass, USA	
01775				pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NEC
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:42:02 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1993Jan27.193336.15053@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>In article <3249@tymix.Tymnet.COM> romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael
>Stimac) writes:
>
>Some branches aren't shown for some reason.  The West Chester branch
>is missing; is it possible that can be accessed only from 30th St
>upper level?  I sure hope not, or we can argue over that next.

The West Chester Branch takes off at Arsenal interlocking plant.
There is a least one track which crosses over from (all) the main tracks
south onto the Westchester Branch. However two tracks which lead
directly from 30th Upper Level also lead directly onto the branch
being obviously the usual routing. The corssover track was most
likely for routing local freight trains.

The West Chester Branch may have a unique claim to fame: it
has its own branch, the Newtown Square Branch. The Newton Square
Branch in turn has *its* own branchline, the Cardington Branch.
Is this some sort of record for sub-branching?

>A Penn Central employee timetable had an interesting approach.  Routes
>were shown as:
>    Harold (Sunnyside Yard, New York) -- Zoo
>    Zoo -- a point west of Harrisburg
>    Zoo -- Suburban station (Phila)
>    Zoo -- a point at the Virginia end of Potomac River bridge 
>
>By this method, Zoo is treated as a 4-way crossing and 30th St upper
>and lower are on two different lines.  It wasn't clear exactly what
>point is considered "Zoo".  The Belmont Branch and the "West
>Philadelphia elevated line" are further branches but are not given Zoo
>as either end point.  

My 1955 ETT does define the West Philadelphia Elevated Branch
as starting at Zoo, running through Arsenal, and ending at Brill.

The "Belmont Branch" is not defined as a branch, but rather
as a "running track" in charge of the Zoo Train Director and
the 44th St yardmaster.

It also defines the Grays Ferry Branch (no apostrophe) as running
from Zoo to Arsenal. These are the two tracks that go directly
into the W C branch.

>What we want though is a track diagram of Zoo.  One showing the switch
>and signal detail would be even more fun!  It has been said that Zoo
>will be the very last place on NEC to get modern interlocking control
>since no one wants to tackle programming it.

I'm willing to try :-)

I do have the sort of track diagrams you mention, although I can't
find one for Arsenal, to give a better answer about the WC branch.
Such diagrams have been printed in _Rails Northeast_, _The Keystone_,
and _The High Line_. The first has been out of print for years and
is probably a collectors' item. The other two are publihsed by the
Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Society.

Michael Stimac
-- 
Michael Stimac
(415) 355-8889
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NE Corridor
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)
Originator: romeo@niagara

In article <16B5CF000.M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:
>In article <1jjf1oINN8vf@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
>S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler) writes:
 
>>I have a few questions about the NEC (Amtrak North East Corridor)
>>Boston---Washington.

 
>First, though, realize that the NEC is composed of two separate segments:
>Boston - New Haven and New Haven - Washington.  The New Haven - Washington
>section is electrified, and passenger service is normally operated with
>electric powered equipment.  Even this, however, was two completely separate
>lines until 1969.  The Washington - New York portion was until then the
>property of the Pennsylvania Railroad, while the New York - New Haven section

(lots of excellent info elided)

>Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society

Excellent summary description Len. Good job!

I can't offer the detail that Len provided, but for contrast consider
that in 1937 the PRR operated 645 scheduled trains during a typical
24 hour period in and out of Pennsylvania Station in New York City.

This provide a reasonable comparison as New York is more or less in
the middle of "The Corridor", and the arriving/departing trains ran
pretty much over what is the corridor today. In fact most of the
trains Len listed were among this 645.

Michael Stimac


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-- 
Michael Stimac
(415) 355-8889
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,uk.misc
Subject: The wrong kind of snow (was Re: Small Gods Annotations)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:39:52 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

This comment from Michael Wares <wares@rhoda.fordham.edu> shows that
the Wrong Kind of Snow once fell here in the US and affected the
Pennsylvania Railroad's GG1 electric locomotives:

===============
	In February 1958 unusual weather conditions caused fine powdery
snowflakes, which only formed at around 12 degrees F., and only at a
certain level above the rail.  These were sucked into the GG1 cooling
vents, and shorted out the motors, putting 134 (out of 139!) of them out
of service.
	The flakes were so fine they could not be seen by the official
investigating the problem, but left his coat covered with ice.
	P5A electric freight locomotives and diesels from west of Harrisburg
and the Pennsy's southern connections were used during the emergency.
The P5As lacked steam boilers, and carried a dead GG1 in the consist to
provide heat; the diesels had to be replaced by P5As or the few usable
GG1s to enter Penn Station.
	The air filters were modified, and the problem did not recur.

	-- information from an article on the GG1s by Frederick Westing,
		March 1964 _Trains_

	(In the course of looking through the old _Trains_ I found a *1973* 
article by William Middleton on the Japanese Bullet trains.  He said that
what could be used on the Northeast Corridor is a train that *tilts*!)

					mw

===============

Joe Brennan     Columbia University in the City of New York
                ("affiliation shown for identification only")
via Internet:   brennan@columbia.edu
via BITNET:     brennan@cunixf
From: S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Travelling on SNCF
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:50:44 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
Distribution: world
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X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <C1K8ot.Bn@brunel.ac.uk> cs90nrs@brunel.ac.uk writes:

> I want to travel to Biarritz over the summer (via Paris). Has anyone
> done the route? If so, any comments about what to see along the line
> etc. etc. would be appreciated.

The landscape is not very interesting (IMHO). But you have the chance to take
the TGV Atlantique, the fastest train of the world (300 km/h). It takes 3 h
from Paris to Bordeaux, and a few more to Biarritz. I think that there is a
direct TGV from Paris to Biarritz. The high speed line is from Paris to Tours.
South of Bordeaux, you can see an interesting overhead wire system that
was installed for high speed tests (331 km/h) in 1952.
 
> Are there any peculiarities with the French system? Particularly
> anything that's different from the UK and is liable to cause trouble.

Be sure that you stamp your ticket(s) in the orange box at the station before
getting in the train.
If you take the TGV, you must reserve your seat.

regards
 
-=- tobi -=-

>>>> NO HATRED IN THE WILD SOUTH <<<<
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NEC
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <3249@tymix.Tymnet.COM> romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael
Stimac) writes:

>Could we compromise by saying that the 30th upper trains going
>west go *through* the NEC?

Well, we'd better compromise somehow!!  OK.

I've just moved where I live, but I was digging up my railroad
materials in boxes last night, thinking I had a track map of the NEC
someplace, but I guess I don't.  The best I have is a diagram that was
in _Trains_ magazine in the mid-1980's, and while you will be amused
to know that they chose to show only the NEC side of the Zoo triangle,
as well as only 30th St lower (represented by a box rather than a plan
of the multiple tracks in the station), it's not exactly authoritative.
Some branches aren't shown for some reason.  The West Chester branch
is missing; is it possible that can be accessed only from 30th St
upper level?  I sure hope not, or we can argue over that next.

A Penn Central employee timetable had an interesting approach.  Routes
were shown as:
    Harold (Sunnyside Yard, New York) -- Zoo
    Zoo -- a point west of Harrisburg
    Zoo -- Suburban station (Phila)
    Zoo -- a point at the Virginia end of Potomac River bridge 

By this method, Zoo is treated as a 4-way crossing and 30th St upper
and lower are on two different lines.  It wasn't clear exactly what
point is considered "Zoo".  The Belmont Branch and the "West
Philadelphia elevated line" are further branches but are not given Zoo
as either end point.  

What we want though is a track diagram of Zoo.  One showing the switch
and signal detail would be even more fun!  It has been said that Zoo
will be the very last place on NEC to get modern interlocking control
since no one wants to tackle programming it.

Joe Brennan     Columbia University in the City of New York
                ("affiliation shown for identification only")
via Internet:   brennan@columbia.edu
via BITNET:     brennan@cunixf
From: organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX saftey cabooses
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:43:43 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

In article <1993Jan26.215816.830@ab.wvnet.edu> mccartney_g@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>I just seen one of the CSX cabooses tonight heading east on a freight towards
>Grafton on the B&O.  I think this is the first time I have seen one of these
>cabooses running when it wasn't on a work train.
>
>				Greg McCartney
>				McCartney_g@ab.wvnet.edu
>
>BTW:  This caboose I believe said Operation Red Block on both sides, but didn't
>catch the number.
> 

Can anybody tell me about this caboose???? The one I see (almost every
day) is hooked on to the end of what seems to be a gravel freight
that is heading south towards D.C. through Rockville, Maryland. 
in the a.m.  In the afternoon I see the go back north with just the
desiels pulling it.  This caboose has blue and yellow marking on it and
is the only caboose I've seen in years along this line.

p.s. I don't spend all day sitting by the tracks... I can see the
line from my  office window :-)

Miriam Shoshana L. Organic
organic@mgr.hjf.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Subject: Re: New York World's Fair Monorail
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:34:15 CST

In article <1993Jan22.042337.3361@walter.cray.com> rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus) writes:
>sticker is torn off revealing the words New York World's Fair. To
>illustrate what the original monorail looked like I scanned two pictures

 I almost forgot, on the back of the postcard (mono.1.GIF) the 
following is written:

                      THE AMF MONORAIL
                New York World's Fair 1964-65
                "Peace through Understanding"
"The AMF Monorail ride at the New York World's Fair provides every
member of the family with an enjoyable new experience aboard the
transportation of the future. While riding in silent air-conditioned
comfort three stories above ground, passengers see and can photograph
many scenic Fair sights during the eight minute trip. Many riders
return for a nighttime view of the Fair. Shown is one of seven
two-car trains which transport passengers to and from the spectacular
eighty-foot high station."

  Question: Is it the "future" yet?

Randy Lambertus             Cray Research, Region 4              rl@uk.cray.com
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From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: European track
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:43:49 GMT

It might be pointed out that the range of AVERAGE daily temperature in the
american plains is on the order of 100 degrees F (~55 degrees C).  The total
range is worse.  It's possible that some differences in practice are due to
the Europeans not having to deal with such extremes-- certainly in the UK
they don't have to.
-- 
C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
                  +    but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
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From: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting,rec.collecting.cards
Subject: Re: Minor League Cards For Sale:
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Followup-To: rec.collecting
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.collecting.cards, stewart@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Terry Stewart) writes:
>In article <1js85sINN3a6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa718@cleveland.Free net.Edu
>(Taras Lawriw)  writes the following.  Please note:  The first price is
>from the original posting.  I have added the Beckett Future Stars Price
>(Feb 93) and the difference (at least up until I got bored).  My reaction
>to this  posting continues after the long list.
..etc..
.> 1989 Star                       Beckett     diff
.> ---------
.> Phil Plaintier $13.50      ...  $3.00 d     10.50  too much
.> Pedro Munoz   $6.00        ...   1.25 d      4.75    "
.> Wes Chamberlain $4.50      ...   1.25 d      3.25    "
.> Scott Cooper  $10.00       ...   1.50 u      8.50    "
.> Luis Mersedes $7.00        ...    .90 -      6.10    "
.> 1991 Impel                                                 LEGEND
.> ----------                                                 d=down arrow
...etc.

.> Walt Weiss $6.00                 +---------------------+
.> Scott Coolbaugh $5.00            | got the picture ?   |
.> Larry uWalker $5.00              +---------------------+
..etc..

.> all these cards on in mint condition....well below book price and
.> i have plenty more stars and commons just send me your want lists
..etc..
>I think we can all easily agree that a poster can ask any amount
>she/he wants for cards.  After all they are his/her cards.  But who
>are we kidding about "well below book price"?  That's an out and
>out lie, as best as I can tell.  (I e-mailed this poster as soon as
>I saw the post on Saturday, but she/he chooses not to respond to me.)
>In fact, there appears to be nothing that is even close to book!


Perhaps the poster forget to mention that these are ten card lots??!!
Or maybe he/she is using some other "book" other than Beckett??  -)..

Well, someone must be buying as this person has posted several times
before on minor league cards... I can tell you that's it's not me.
.
.
.
.
...
From: Pandora@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dawn Scotting)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: For John McDonald/Site info
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:03:47 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Sorry about this folks! I'm trying to get in touch with John McDonald 
who worked at the Centre for EUV Astrophysics, my email to him was bounced 
back saying this service wasn't available. If anyone has any information 
about John or you can tell me what has happened to his site (address: 
@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu) please email me at pandora@kcbbs.gen.nz.
From: ML.JCD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jean C. Doran)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Re: rec.collecting
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:25:32 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

>I would like to get Informationen about Barbie, too.

 Try contacting the "Barbie Hall of Fame", a Barbie museum here in
Palo Alto, California.  Their address is 460 Waverley, Palo Alto, CA
 94301 (USA).  Their phone number is 415/326-5841.

They are reported to have the largest collection of Barbies, at
least in the U.S.  They may not have the information you desire, but
most certainly they could lead you to it.

Good luck.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:15:13 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Zorro Watch???

Does a Zorro Watch, purchased when the Guy Williams "Zorro" was on TV,
have any collectible value?  It is in good shape, with the original band
and crystal (minor scratches) intact.

Thanks in advance for any info you might have.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.cards
From: umbicol0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Aileen Bicol)
Subject: Mailing system down
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:01:34 GMT

To all the people who sent me e-mail for the last
two days please resend.  The system was down
for the last two days.

Thank you.
From: umbicol0@next02.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Aileen Bicol)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.cards
Subject: Buying/trading for Selanne RC's
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:11:08 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

I am looking to buy or trade for what you need for 91-92 #21 UD Selanne  
RC's.

I will buy in bulk quatities 5, 10 or just one.

E-mail me a trading deal or cash wanted for the cards.

Thanks