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From: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Ken Roberts
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:13:52 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: na
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In article <1jk0sbINNamq@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>, fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz) writes:
> Here is what I posted in reply to a similar question a few weeks ago:
> 
> A friend of mine tried it about a year ago.  He said Ken's trades
> were "almost consistently losers".  Fortunately he only did paper trading,

Yep, Ken lost all my 'play' money, too.  But I did my own trades and
turned $5K into $13K . . . . 'play' money, that is.  I ended up using
my 'real' $5K somewhere else at the time . . . . not quite the right time
for me to risk the $5K.  The ideas and notes I took were worth the
course.  I found out a lot about the commodities market that I didn't
know about.

> and never put any real money on the line -- "the only loss I had was
> the money I sent Ken Roberts."

The only money I lost was $25 because I had written in his manual.
I got the rest of my money back without a hassle.  I even got the 
manual back when I complained about the $25.

> 
> Your mileage may vary.

Always!! ;-)

Mark

From: cola@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ken Colasuonno)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:46:33 GMT
Subject: Quicken sources
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.invest


Anybody know of cheap places to purchase Quicken (for DOS)?  I found
one source (EggHead software 1-800-egghead) that sells it for $40.  

Any cheaper than that?

Ken

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Bond funds
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:06:14 GMT

In article <C1Ds5t.CHI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhsu@dcl-nxt51.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Hsu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.223709.6354@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com  
>(Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
> 
>> However, another one of the first rules is to go with the flow -- go
>> with what's hot  (just get our when it starts getting stale.)
>> 
>But how do you know when it starts to go stale?  Can you get out in time?   
>Can you be objective and not get caught up in the frenzy yourself?

See what happens when I leave out one little smiley face?

Sigh.                                                      :^)

-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: 2 401Ks?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:17:16 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <16505@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, abryce@Auspex.COM (Alan Bryce) writes:
> I recently changed employers and left my 401K with my old employer. i also
> opened a new one at the new employer. Neither employer could tell me if
> this is legal. I left the old account because there is an outstanding loan
> against which must be repaid prior to moving the monies. I cannot contribute
> to the old account but can repay the loan over time. Is this legal?

From what I've read and heard, as long as you don't exceed the limits
on contributions you can have as many 401(k)s as you like. 

Just my $0.02 worth . . . . 

comments? suggestions?

Mark
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: Re: education of floor traders
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:36:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.002631.28543@news.columbia.edu> rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rong Shen) writes:
>Hi:
>
>	The greatest gift that evolution has given to men is the
>ability to question. So, here is the question: What type of education
>and work experience does a typical floor traders in NY Stock Exchange
>have?
>
>	Any hints are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

stealing hubcaps seems the likely first lesson.
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: FAST CASH!!!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:22:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

I wrote:
||  1. It is illegal.  No matter how you try to disguise it, it will
||     legally be viewed as a fraudulent pyramid/ponzi scheme.  If you
||     think it is legal than why do you insist on cash and why are you
||     posting anonymously?

rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rong Shen) responds:
|	Wait a second. It seems to me that you declare the scheme
| illegal only because you don't like it.

  I didn't do that at all.  It's not illegal because I don't like it,
  it is illegal because you will get fined and thrown in jail.

I wrote:
||  2. Even if it were legal, only morons would fall for that con job. 
||     Only morons would send any money to anyone, when they could always
||     start their own lists -- someone has to start them.  Just take the
||     post and replace all the names on the list with the names of your
||     friends and family and distribute it to as many places as you can
||     and see if any suckers will fall for your scam.

rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rong Shen) responds:
| What's more, there are enough
| morons in the world for any one who has a little genius and who are
| slick enough to slip through the loopholes in laws to profit from;
| they deserve it, don't they. If you want to argue, just remember:
| Survival of the Fittest and the Smartest.

  It doesn't take any genius to decide to break the law and try to pull
  off such a lame con job.  It's fraud -- just the same as if someone
  cheated you in a real estate or stock deal.  I don't think they deserve
  to profit from cheating people.
  ==

  Bob                                           Seattle, Washington

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Bond funds
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:37:09 GMT

In article <C1BI6I.Ato@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhsu@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Hsu) writes:
>One of the first rules to investing is to avoid whatever is in vogue like  
>the plague.

I agree, that's one of the first rules, and a hallmark of contrarian
investing.

However, another one of the first rules is to go with the flow -- go
with what's hot  (just get our when it starts getting stale.)

People from each of these religious investing dogmas can cite all
sorts of proof, data, statistics, to prove they are right, so I
assume they are both right.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: frank@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Cada (Contractor))
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:32:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Merck
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.invest

I have owned Merck for a couple of years and have watched it with
interest.  All of the analysts that I have read say its a good
long term (>1year) buy.  The fundamental are good.  I believe the
recent decline is due to fears of possible Clinton health care
cost cutting.

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Weekly IBM Self-affirmation
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:31:42 GMT

In article <Jan.21.09.06.39.1993.9534@remus.rutgers.edu>
clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>I'm good enough, and I'm smart enough, and I can't be wrong that
>IBM will reach 55 later this year.

Or: I'm good enough, I'm sthmart enough, and dog-gone-it people will buy me!

>-- 
>Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ 08807-2618
>
>Score: 0, Diff: 1, clong killed by a Harvard Math Team on  1
>



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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: gt@fc.sde.hp.com (George Tatge)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: how good is investor business daily ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:13:11 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
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Sheesh, give the guy a break!

I really like the IBD.  If for no other reason than that they
have a sensible way of presenting data.  Stock options is a perfect
example.  Look in the WSJ or Barrons and you have to go through
twelve separate listings to find all the places a various option
is listed or isn't.  The IBD has them all in alpha. order and
simply puts a symbol by each listing for the exchange.

The stories are probably better in the WSJ but for data you have to
like the IBD.

gt
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: jhsu@eng-nxt04.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Hsu)
Subject: Re: Investing around hyperinflation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:46:03 GMT

In article <185056@pyramid.pyramid.com> pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com  
(Paul Collacchi) writes:
> 
> Putting aside the question of whether the US is headed towards 
> insolvency and some kind of hyper-inflation, what is a good 
> investment strategy to protect investments through a period of
> hyperinflation.  Is it as easy as "getting out" of dollars?
> 

For the conservative: cash of a stable foreign country
For the speculative: precious metals or cash of an unstable foreign  
country (assuming the potential reward is large enough)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: NASDAQ brokers: Can they cheat on orders?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:12:15 GMT
Keywords: Nasdaq

In article <1993Jan24.212632.3236@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rvp2f@Virginia.EDU (Prasad  Polamraju) writes:
>
>This is NASDAQ smallcap issue called Scorpion Technologies. It had 
...
>around $1 on this brokers advice. Last week when my broker  asked me
>permission to sell it, it moved from 3/4 to 1 1/4. The next day I checked it 
>had a high of 2 1/4, low and settle 1 3/4. But when I called my broker
>he told me he sold the stock the previous day at 1 1/4. Is there anyway

The high/low/last for NASDAQ wwould list ask prices..  You would
sell at bid which is a bit below those prices.  So if low ask was
1 3/4 it is very reasonable that bid was 1 1/4.

By the way, would you buy a used watch from a guy on the street
corner saying this is a great watch and will go upo in value this
year?
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s)
Subject: Re: Mutual Funds
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:57:56 GMT

In article <30263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard K. Roitman) writes:
>>
>>2. Financial-Invesco.
>>        Probably the best NO Load fund group. Telephone switching possible.
>
>    But doesn't Financial charge a 12b-1 fee?  I refuse to invest in
>a fund that charges me to advertise.  That just increases the fees involved
>in investing in a fund.
>
>    No 12b-1 funds for me.
>
>Rick Roitman
>roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil

Yes, most of the Financial funds have a 0.25% 12b-1
fee. I hear Founders Special is going to impose such a
fee as well. Seems to be an unfortunate trend today...

BUT I'm willing to pay 0.25% a year to get a 20-90 % return;
mixing political emotions with investments is not good for the latter.
What counts is the bottom line.

Tony
tony2@cc.bellcore.com

FYI:

 FinProg  Family Ranked from 12/31/90 to 01/02/92 ending 12/31/92
No Symbl          Fund Name              1991  SD  %ile 1992 
                                Tot.ret.  %              %
-- ----- ------------------------------- ---- ---- ---- ---- 
 1 FHLSX FinProg Strategic Health Sci.   90.7  6.3   1 -13.3 
 2 FTCHX FinProg Strategic Technology    76.9  7.3  15  18.8 
 3 FSFSX FinProg Strategic Finan. Serv.  75.1  5.3  17  26.0 
 4 FIDYX FinProg Dynamics                66.8  5.8  25  13.2 
 5 FLISX FinProg Strategic Leisure       51.7  5.4  40  24.2 
 6 FIIIX FinProg Industrial Income       45.8  3.6  46   1.3 
 7 FLRFX FinProg Industrial              41.9  4.6  50   3.1 
 8 FSEQX FinProg Equity                  41.2  2.6  51   4.8 
 9 FSFLX FinProg Flex Fund               28.7  1.9  63   9.8 
10 FSTUX FinProg Strategic Utilities     27.4  2.9  65  11.2 
11 FHYPX FinProg High Yield Portfolio    23.6  1.6  68  14.6 
12 FBDSX FinProg Select Income           18.6  1.0  73  10.5 
13 FBDGX FinProg US Government           15.5  1.7  77   5.8 
14 FIGBX FinProg Intermediate-Term Gov   14.2  1.1  78   6.0
From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: MLIS (was Micropolis (MILS)
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:12:27 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <C1E96z.4LC@athena.cs.uga.edu>, hal@pollux (Hal N. Brooks) writes:
> 
> It seems I'm not the only one that has trouble keeping all those
> 'M' companies straight, because Gary Hester seems to think it
> was Micro Science.  
> 
> I'm sure you must be right, too! :-)

I'm not only right, I'm verifiable.  The WSJ had a front-page article on the
Miniscribe mess - don't recall when that was, though.

> 
> My advice: just to be on the safe side, never order a hard drive
> of a manufacturer whose name starts with an 'M'. :-)
> 

You never know.  Turns out that the assets of M-iniscribe were bought by
M-axtor (can't figure why they did this - bricks ain't too useful in
California what with earthquakes and all).

Brad Yearwood   brad@optilink.com    {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad
Petaluma, CA
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: etpeters@dal.mobil.com (E. T. Peterson(Eric))
Subject: Re: write the PUT and buy the stock
Organization: Mobil Exploration & Producing Technical Center(MEPTEC), Dallas. 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:36:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.165313.5811@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Edward Zhong) writes:
|> for example, i have made my mind to buy 300 sh MRK at $40/sh, 
|> and the current price is $42. 
|> 
|> i can have a open order to buy MRK at $40 and wait. 
|> 
|> or 
|> 
|> i can write a naked put for $2/sh with strike price at $40 
|> and expiration day in march, i can pocket $600 today.
|> 
|> before the expiration day, 
|> 
|> if MRK never reach $40. i have made $600.
|> 
|> even MRK becomes < 40, there is chance the option holder will not exersise it.
|> if i am lucky, MRK will close above $40 on the option expiration day. i still
|> made $600 dollars.
|> 
|> if MRK close at < 40, i will just buy them at $40 which is my plan anyway.
|> 
|> is it a good way to buy?

Yes, this is a good way to do it. But it is not the same as buying at 40.  You might miss a big up move in the stock:

Suppose the stock goes below 40 and then back above 40 before the expiration of
the put.  Then suppose the stock really takes off, say to 60.

In this situation, your put-writing strategy does not get you into the stock.
You only make your $600.  If you bought the stock at 40, you would make $6000.

So you will only get the stock if it is below 40 at expiration, whereas the open
order to buy at 40 will get you the stock anytime it goes below 40.  If you are a
genius stock-picker, you will miss out on a lot of profit!

*********************************************************************
Eric Peterson                  The sooner you fall behind,
Research Geophysicist          the more time you'll have to catch up!
(214) 951-3251
etpeters@dal.mobil.com
From: roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard K. Roitman)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Mutual Funds
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:28:16 GMT
Reply-To: roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard K. Roitman)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.invest, gs38@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gopalakrishnan Subramaniam) writes:
>I screened the mutual funds based on the last year and last 5 years
>returns. The following information may be of good use to you in
>making your investment decisions.
>
>2. Financial-Invesco.
>        Probably the best NO Load fund group. Telephone switching possible.

    But doesn't Financial charge a 12b-1 fee?  I refuse to invest in
a fund that charges me to advertise.  That just increases the fees involved
in investing in a fund.

    No 12b-1 funds for me.

Rick Roitman
roitman@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: ae557@yfn.ysu.edu (Ken Meinken)
Subject: Re: Monetta
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:09:01 GMT


I've been in Monetta since last spring.  As you say, it has a good
long term record.  His approach of selling winners sometimes limits
the upside, but it also keeps the fund from getting caught too bad in
a down market.  IOW, conservative.

Its probably one of the best funds to start out small (no minimum)
and build up gradually.  I have several other funds which are doing
better in the last year, but one year is not a fair trial.

Ken
From: hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Act Now to Fight the Deficit
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:07:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Gordon Hamachi writes:
> This kind of selfish attitude is a major part of what's wrong with our
> country today:  make money any way you can, and screw everyone else.

Red Herring responds:
>     Actually, this is a major part of what is right with the U.S.
> 
>     Countries where people are urged/forced to "all work together"
>     are not better off, and many of them are collapsing.

You have it almost exactly backwards.

The Eastern Block countries collapsed because the people didn't work.  And it  
is a sad comment on our society that for many the American Dream is to win the  
state lottery and retire on unearned riches.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Closed end index funds?  Re: Recommend an index fund please?
Followup-To: misc.invest
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:24:52 GMT

pearson_steven@tandem.com (Steven R. Pearson) writes:
|I also read the other day that either NASDAQ or AMEX was about to offer a new
|product for smaller investors that tracks the S&P 500.

The American Stock Exchange has been advertising "S&P Depository Receipts",
or "SPDRs" ("spiders").  They sound like closed end S&P 500 index fund shares.

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From: thomasr@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com (G. Thomas Rush)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Act Now to Fight the Deficit
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:43:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp

In article <1993Jan25.193802.11812@adobe.com> hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi) writes:
>I've read "Bankruptcy 1995: The Coming Collapse of America and How to
>Stop It" by Harry Figgie, and it scares the hell out of me. 

Me too.

[Scary predictions deleted]
[List of people to write to and addresses deleted]

>Write for information, or join:

[list of organizations deleted]

Don't forget the Advocates for Self Government
		 5533 East Swift
		 Fresno, CA 93727
		 209 292 1776

and the Libertarian Party
	1528 Pennsylvania Avenue
	Washington, DC	20003
	1 800 682 1776


thomas rush			compaq computer corporation	
thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com	their employee, not their opinions.
By my belief that government should be minimized, I swear to oppose
the unrequested intrusion of government into the lives of individuals
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: n3884@cray.com (Pete Palmer)
Subject: Telecommunications Mutuals?
Reply-To: n3884@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:44:20 CST


---
Does anyone have any mutual fund names for funds dedicated
exclusively to the global or domestic 
telecommunications industry?  No load is, as always,
preferable.

Thanks in advance.


--------------------------------------------------
Pete Palmer (n3884@cray.com)
From: gt@fc.sde.hp.com (George Tatge)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Your Picks
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:57:06 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
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Matt Kennel (mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: gt@fc.sde.hp.com (George Tatge) writes:
: : long- Sun Micro
: 
: Given your email address this is slightly humorous.

No, I'd long HP too but I avoid recommending the company I work for.
I think both HP and Sun are in good postitions.
: 

g (if i could just get out of TeleMex) t

Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: Re: how good is investor business daily ?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:26:38 GMT


Just saw an ad on CNBC for Investor's Bus. Daily, 2 week free offer,
call

800-767-5900


-- 
Pierre von Kaenel  |  Math & CS Dept | Skidmore College | pvonk@skidmore.edu
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From: sasha@sharik.metaphor.com (Sasha Velednitsky)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Banner Fund International
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:29:34 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

In article <74203@cup.portal.com> Dave-M@cup.portal.com (David Russell Mottern) writes:
>I just received some info on Banner Fund International. It is
>a trust fund managed by the Swiss Trade & Commerce Trust in the Island
>of Aruba. They claim past earnings of 100% to 289% over the past few
>years and have set a goal of 15% per month. You can get into it for
>as low as $200. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it for real?
>How can I go about checking this out?
>Thanks for any info.
>Dave
Sounds too unrealistic to be true.  
Just my personal opinion.
Good luck,
Sasha
From: rmandel@bu.edu (Richard Mandel)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: thanks
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:10:38 GMT
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Neuromancer (glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: I would like to thank everyone for their replies regarding eliminating
: the broker for no load mutual funds.  I received a vast amount of useful
: information.  For example, after the minimum initial investment, I plan
: on spreading out the rest of my investment over an reasonable time
: period.  This ought to at least partially cover the risk that
: someone mentioned about investing when the market is pricey.  I realize
: that there really is no consensus of when a good time to invest is.
: But do any of you have any rough techniques of deciding when a good time
: to invest is?  For example, might one wait until the DJIA dips below
: 3200 before investing?

Yes! Wait until the end of the next bear market which you will be able
to asses pretty well by a peaking out in interest rates.  That may happen
in another 3 or 4 years.
:  
Rich

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