From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: economy of hong kong and
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.4301.21841@dosgate> "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>In article: <BzAADB.KCH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>   Subject: Economy of Hong Kong and China.. No more running dogs please!
>      From: pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon) fakename writes:
>
>>chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu) writes:
>
>>>	Recently there were numerous articles talking about communism
>>>and captalism. Some people even used some offensive wordings like
>>>"running dogs" or "arrogant Hong Kongites". This article tries to
>>>analyse the economy of Hong Kong and China as SOME people might always
>>>think that Hong Kong people are just running dogs for British.
>
>This is CCP's consistent behavior of discrimination among the same race.
>In the past, they promote hatred among the classes; Now their mouthpieces
When the poor face death from hunger, hatred is natural result.
>tried and failed to promote hatred among different races, they tried
>and failed to promote hatred among different nations.
Your British master is the grandfather of the inciting other nations fight 
each other: one example, in order to bring U.S. to fight Germany in WWI, UK
told U.S. that U.K. intercepted Germany's telegram sent to Maxico saying that
if there is War between Germany and U.S. , Mexico will get Taxis back.
>
>After all their attempts failed, like the ghost in the story of "Hua4
>Pi2" (Painted Mask), the hideous looking monster finally exposed it's
>true ugly face, it is in essence, a practitioner of
>
>MOST CYNICAL DISCRIMINATIONS AMONG THE SAME CHINESE RACE!
>
>Anyone need proof for the above statement?
>
>Next time, on your way going to China, pay attention to how PRC's
>customs and immigration officers treat Mainland Chinese, Taiwan Chinese,
>HongKong Chinese, and Overseas Chinese, Among  the overseas Chinese, the
>Chinese from U.S. or Canada would receive better treatment than the
>Chinese from other nations.
Foreigners came to China are mostly professonals and toursits, enjoy higher
status than ordinary people, in any where any nation. They are customers.
>
>The saddest thing is: an ordinary mainland Chinese would receive the
>worst treatment!
I do not know about this.
>
>A more interesting fact is, while these 'running dogs' of the CCP are
We can hardly be lebeled "running dogs" of CCP, CCP with 50 million member
We used to critized CCP when we in China. Some of us has relatives being 
CCP member. There is no dog-master relationship between Chinese and CCP and
between you and your master.
>yelling and screaming about the evil deeds of the Western colonists,
State sponsored Drug dealing, depopulation of American Indians, Slave Trade
Afericans, are not much of crimes in your "running dogs" eye.
More importantly, your master has never stopped trying to undermine
China's interests, security, Blockade, isolation, defamation, etc..
>Westerners usually can expect the best reception from these PRC
It is a business matter. When I spend plenty in America stores, I usally
receive more smiling faces from clerks.
>"public servants"........ :-)
>
>   The noises we hear recently on the net, from some of the mouthpieces
>of CCP's hard liners proofed one thing, by being careless, they had
>exposed the true nature of their master, in their stupid and careless
>attempts to discriminate the HongKong and Taiwan Chinese.
Chinese government is the sole protector of HongKong people's interests
, facing british riping off.
>
>   These noises had proved  another thing, that the CCP and it's kind
>are among the most ungrateful beasts in the world.
         More Opium?
>
>  How can these beasts so easily forget, just a year ago, that Hong Kong
>people's generosity had donated more than HK$600,000,000.00 to China's
This is a matter among genuen Chinese, has no thing to do with you "running 
dogs".
>flood victims, this sum is larger than the combined donations from all
>those 1 billion plus humanity, including those 50 million plus CCP
>members!
>
> lines deleted  for brevity.
>
>>	May I add the eighth point?
>
>>	(8)	The British government always treats Hong Kong people as
>>		orphan.  If Hong Kong people  don't help themselves, no
>>		one will.  The poor welfare system certainly forces people
>>		to work as hard as they can in order to survive.
>
>Is this your proof that the Chinese people under CCP did not have the need
>to work as hard, and they flourished under the CCP's
>"excellent welfare system" of the "Iron Bowl"?   :-)
I do notice that people from HongKong are shorter comparing people from 
mainlander. I absolute no intension to offend any body. I guess the reason 
behind it is that, HongKong did not provide accesable health care until
recently.
>
>Then I'm very curious, why  DXP want to make several cities inside China
>to copy the "Model of HongKong"  ?      |-)
No! Do not be so self-congradulating. Mainlander can learn something from
HongKong. Just as British used Chinese gun power and compass.
>
>This above statement remind me one thing: In the early 40's, the
>best and brightest Chinese youth would join the CCP.  In the 90's
>the opposite is true!   :-)
Not true. If you lived in mainland. CCP members are still better educated. 40%
of the members has college degree, serveral times higher than general
population. In my college class, those who joined the CCP were still among
the best in my class in term of social maturity and academic achievement.
There do exist people who refuse to file petition for CCP membership even
are the best.
>
>>>	From the above observations we can see that the success of
>>>Hong Kong is a result of the people of Hong Kong. And I do have to
>>>give credits to the British as it happens that British created such an
>>>environment for the people of Hong Kong.
>
>>	That is the magic of British politics.  They treat you like shit
>>	but you still have to thank them a thousand for that.  I guess
>>	evil can always be excused if it is done in a beneficial manner.
>
>Have you ever experienced the life of a HongKong resident?
>
>Years ago, not long after I've left China, I used to hold the similar
>view towards British, about their evil deeds during the Opium war...
>
>While I was in HongKong, I used to believe that how badly poor people
>were treated in HongKong's hospitals..., until one day, I myself was
>hospitalized as a poor, I was charged for HK$1.00 a day (in 1968) for
>my bed in the public ward of a government hospital, but what I saw in
>the public ward was not what I thought would be, what I saw was young
>nursing students, out of their own initiative, to teach poor boy from
>poverty stricken family, I saw extreme patience from many nursing students
>towards peniless and homeless old patients with bad tempers.....
What do you expect from a hospital? cut you to piece. Waring nations has to
take care of wounded enemy according to geniva convention.
The matter of the fact the hospital was staffed with voluteers at least
indicate there is government sufficent support for medical care.
Where was true several years ago. HongKong was among the lowest in govenmen
wellfare spending.
>From this experience, I started to question the honesty of CCP's education.
>It seems, in the area of human compassion, CCP has urgent need to improve
>itself by learning from the British colonists!
Aren't so cheap? so easy change your believe from this trivial incident.
>
>Your own words seem to confirm: that HongKong people like the
>British colonists better than the CCP from the motherland.
>Don't you think it is a true tragedy for today's CCP & the HongKong
Yes! you "runngin dogs" only. I am not sure Most HongKong People like to 
be enslaved like you.
>Chinese?
>
>Don't you think that the CCP needs to do some deep soul-searching?
That is not your problem.
>
>Why the Chinese people in the 40's welcomed CCP whole heartily as the
>'Saviors of China'; But today's HongKong people are disgusted with
>the CCP, and despise them as the "Menace from the motherland" ?
                               Can hardly called a "menace". HongKong is
part of China. There is no such relation of menace or menaced. Even there
is hostility, the stength difference is too great. One side is too overwelming
to for the side to feel threatened, and they may know what to do-- give up.
We do not have that kind the hostility here.
>
>No one in the right mind today will attempt to defend the past British
>colonists, for the same reason I question the state of mind of those who
You already did.
>try to defend CCP's past record.
Not!
>
>On the other hand, I did have chance to question people in Malaysia and
Are you defending *** through quated words? Are you in "your right mind"?
>India,  regarding their view about their past under British colonist
>rule; To my great surprise, the response I received were: The person
>from Malaysia were very grateful to British, because British returned
>the political power to the local Malay people, instead returning the
>power to economically dominant Chinese. this Malay told me that they are
>proud of their new independence, but also thankful to the legal and
>political system brought to them by the British.
British always use divid and conqure when they leave their colony to gain
as much as possible. I am not surprised if are on the side of Malay against
the Chinese there.
>
>The person from India that I questioned, did not blame all the present
>ill's of today's India to the past British colonists, on the other hand,
>he holds similar gratitude to the British legal and political system
>which India modeled from, he also emphasized the merits of the British
>style education system of India today.
India had average life expatency about 26 years. Jumped up 3 years right 
after the independcy from U.K.
You will find "running dogs" like you among all ex-U.K. slaves.
>
>In my view, one of CCP's prolonged disease in it's thinking is:
>
>It has never stopped to view itself as being a subject of oppression,
Chiese people rather. before 1949, it is certainly true. After 1949,
West had blockade against until 1972. It is well justified for China to
have suspicion on those "free world".
>even after it became the ruler of China, the mentality of CCP's
>leadership had trouble to adjust to the reality, that it is actually
>the true masters of China, and those evil western colonists had faded
>away into history already.
Not quite.
>
>It was with this mentality during CCP's humble beginning, the CCP had
>enthusiastically promoted the hatred between the ruling class and the
>ruled class, and since the 'oppressed proletariat class' was unjustly
>exploited by the upper classes, therefore, it was fair game for CCP to
>justify the use of any means, no matter how cruel or how unjust,
>towards all the "class enemies", in order to 'revenge the injustice'.
The suffering of the "ruled" in China at the time was not a matter of how 
severe it is. It was a matter of how many children a perent should
select to let live through limited food, and others let die.
Any revisionistic action now days can not be justified, let along trying to
capitalize it to serve "runngin dogs" master's arguments.
>
>This mentality had caused enormous pain for Chinese people in the recent
>history.
>
>Unfortunately, after the CCP became the ruling party themselves, their
>inferiority of being the subject of oppression did not change,
>when the need arises, the CCP's leadership, like a bewitched bunch,
>fall prey to their own old psych again.
CCP is not inferior at all. Chinese government has done pretty well in world
politics recently.
>
>From CCP's recent attacks to Mr Patten's proposal, the rhetorics employed
>by CCP's propagandists gave people a feeling of "De Javu", it provided
>me the realization that these poor bastards are at their wit's end!  :-)
>
>This explains why the CCP's representatives in HongKong were unable to
>present any counter-proposal to Patten's proposal, but are taking a stand
The proposal itself is against the joint-declaration sighed by China and
British. Those signed document has clear figure how many legislature
memeber should be directly eleceted and at what time table.
By luring China to have a couter proposal, China will fall into the trap of 
of joining the British in breaking the agreement, then British will be 
able to ignore any agreement that binds them and tell the world China
broke the agreements too. 
>of "non-communicado" as the only tactic!  :-)
>
>What CCP need to do now, is to free itself from this nightmare of being
>"the subject of oppression", only after the CCP's leadership has done
>so, it can than learn: how to behave as a sensible and responsible member
>on the international stage, this will further prevent it to be viewed
>and criticized by many overseas Chinese as an unreasonable and irrational
Not at all. CCP and Chinese Government, Chinese nation are trumphing. it is
Though there is still long way to go.
more important for Chinese people to conceal, not show off, otherwise
may cause alarm among other nations about China's current and future 
influence.
>--
You have writen a article, expressed clearly British's view.
I doubt it is the work of yourself. You might had "discussion" with ...

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