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   From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   Date: 30 Aug 92 23:20:00 GMT
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   mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

   >	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

   >	Yang Ze
   >	Shi Chunde
   >	Brian Lin

   >	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
   >who asks for it.

   >Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

   Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
   the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
   your trust:-). Why don't you also want contribution from Mr. Carl?
   The guy post more articles than me. Is that because You can 
   tell his arguments are generally illogic?:-)), but 
   I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
   you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
   for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
   made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
   you don't know this :-)), 
   if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
   give you some advise on your project. 
   First, there are two versions of the speech (appr.):
    "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
   we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
   ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
   Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth in their
   military chest
   and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
   from the OHIO river or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
   trial of a thouscand years. If destruction ever reach us, it must spring
   up amongst us, we must be its author and finisher, as a 
   country of free men, we must live through all time or die by suicide..."
   another version:
    "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
   some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
   Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa, could
   not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
   on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, if destruction be
   our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher, as a nation
   of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

   (Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
   I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
   is excited.:-) )

   My questions:
   1) Which is the original version (by Abraham Lincoln).
   2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
   (Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
   answers.)
   If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
   This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
   why bother to teach him our Chinese stuff."
   By the way, you are not related to CIT at all, are you?
   I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
   club once visited by CIA personel, CIA offered help to them, 
   I really cannot afford this).
   Ze Yang.
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