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From: saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen Saroff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: FTP site for list of Steeleye Span & related CD's?
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: saroff@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center

In article <DAN.92Nov4104724@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct28.223204.3950@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> krj@netsun.tmc.edu 
|> (Ken Josenhans) writes:
|> 
|> >   Tim Hart & Maddy Prior, FOLK SONGS OF OLD ENGLAND VOL. 1
|> >   Tim Hart & Maddy Prior, FOLK SONGS OF OLD ENGLAND VOL. 2
|> >			-- may be available on CD from Mooncrest in England
|> 
|> How are these?  

I have one volume, number 2 I think, and it is very good.  There is a
loving treatment of the material, and it is done with great humor.

|> 
|> >   Maddy Prior, WOMAN IN THE WINGS
|> >   Maddy Prior, CHANGING WINDS
|> >   The Maddy Prior Band, HOOKED ON WINNING
|> >   Maddy Prior Band, GOING FOR GLORY
|> >	-- these four predate the CD era and are very out of print


I have going for the Glory and rather like it.  There is a charge
leveled against it that it is evangelical, but I don't really see that
(and being a slightly paranoid Jew I tend to look for that).  It has a
certain religious questioning quality and some fairly witty songs. 


BTW, what is the FTP address?

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From: collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com (Duane E. Collicott)
Subject: Re: Setting of White Squall (was Re: "Mary Ellen Carter" a true story?)
Originator: collicot@tethys
Organization: Allen-Bradley ASA, Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:55:54 GMT

In article <0U-Yr*vh2@stile.stonemarche.org> me@stile.stonemarche.org (Mark Eklof) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.210753.9357@nntp.uoregon.edu>, Nathan Tenny writes:
>>
>> On another note, does anyone know exactly where "White Squall" (from the
>> _From Fresh Water_ album) is set?  I don't know the Great Lakes region well
>> enough to parse the place-names.
>
>	While I'm not familiar with the Great Lakes region, either,
>two minutes with an atlas led me to a guess of Lake Huron.  The song
>mentions Wiarton, Ontario as the home of the fiance' of the "kid", and
>the liner notes indicate that many of the towns residents ship on the
>lakes.  Wiarton is on Lake Huron.  The only other place reference I
>get from the song is "...as we roll North to the 'Soo'."  I'll take a
>WAG that this refers to Sault Ste. Marie, on the Northwest end of Lake
>Huron. 

You got it.  Sault Ste. Marie is pronounced "Soo Saint Marie" (sorry -
maybe you already knew that!), commonly referred to as "the Soo", like in 
the Soo Line Railroad.  Wiarton is on the Bruce Peninsula, on the 
Georgian Bay side.  From those liner notes, I interpeted that he made-up
that event after listening to the stories people in Wiarton told him.  
It does have a very real feel to it, though.  

Also... Tobermory, mentioned in the song about the Midland is up on the 
point of the peninsula, and the song about the battle involving the Nancy
takes place in the Detroit River.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Duane Collicott
collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com

"If you could see far enough you'd be looking at the back of your own head"
                                                                     - Unknown
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: "Mary Ellen Carter" a true story?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:47:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov9.204724.1362
Organization: Western Washington University


Stan got asked that a lot and he said it was not a true story, although
plenty of stories like it had happened.  In other words, he made up the
name and he wasn't writing about a particular ship...

On the other hand, his song "Man With Blue Dolphin," is aobut a real
life ship salvaging project.  BUt its not as good a song.

When I saw Stan in concert, the one and only time, he explained that
MEC was partly inspired by listening to the Grand Old Opry as a kid
'and wanting to write an inspirational song that was "nonreligious
nondenominational and nonfattening."

If you have seen the video ONE WARM LINE: The Legacy of Stan Rogers
you know that at least one shipwreck survivor claims that singing
MEC is what kept him alive on a cold wet night...
From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Robin Williamson
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:54:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov10.205413.5080
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

*In article <1992Nov4.121816.2928@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy) writes:
->In article <1992Nov3.183459.27175@das.harvard.edu>,
->jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost ) writes:
->[...]
->|> What I should have said, originally, was
->|> "Williamson's latest stuff is so wierd that it doesn't sound like any
->|> kind of music to me"--that's sort or what I did say, actually.
->[...]
->|> I also think Williamson knows enough about what he's doing to
->|> be doing exactly what he wants ...but why that!!!!???
->|> Only the latest stuff I'm baffled by.

*>I didn't catch the start of this thread, so could you enlighten me about
*>what "latest stuff" you mean. I heard him live in July and September
*>this year, and what he was doing then doesn't fit with this description.
*>Nor does any of the recorded stuff I've heard recently, though I haven't
*>heard many of the storytelling tapes.

I haven't heard him in person since 4-6 years ago, but have heard
local radio features of his recordings which feature that stuff I call
wierd (anti-tonal whinnying noises, to open the whole worm-can again)
since then...if he's not doing it any more, good;
if he's still doing it...good for the fans of it, I guess. 
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From: ppalmier@MtHolyoke.edu (Patricia S. Palmiere)
Subject: Re: Name of INDIGO GIRLS new album ????!!!!!!!!
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:50:55 GMT

Darcy Clark (03249587@mama.minmet.uq.oz) wrote:
>  Can someone please tell me the name of the INDIGO's new album?
>  Darcy Clark 
>  email: 03249587@minmet.uq.oz.au


are you referring to _Rites of Passage_ or something else in the works?

Trish Palmiere.
 
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From: cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski)
Subject: Dick Gaughan!!!
Organization: CS
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:16:04 GMT

Gaughan is also one of my favorites.  Yet, there isn't much talk about him
on the net, so COME ON GAUGHAN FANS, LET'S HEAR SOME!!!  There must be
some of you over in Great Britain who know about him and what he's up
to these days with recordings, tours, etc.  The same goes for Nic
Jones, a somewhat forgotten man since his accident a few years ago.  These
are two of the great traditional troubadours of British/Celtic folk
music and they deserve more coverage.
From: lanih@herald.Berkeley.EDU (J. Lani Herrmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: My Grandfather's Clock
Date: 9 Nov 1992 09:31:27 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: herald.berkeley.edu

The lyrics to Grandfather's Clock, together with  a bunch of references
recorded and printed, are on page 224 of Rise Up Singing, published by
Sing Out! magazine. Box 5253, Bethlehem, PA 18015. Price $15 + 2.50 p&h.
Or lobby at your local library to have them get a hardbound edition.
	Lani (a protolibrarian -- no, I already have my license. Then
	what am I doing still in school? Don't answer that!)
From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Nic Jones; was: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:25:42 GMT
Organization: British Telecom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


 ghost (jmf@endor.harvard.edu) wrote:

: They didn't discuss whether he [Nic Jones] can still sing

He did some backing vocals on the Fellside "Penguin book of English
Folk Songs" album.

I gather that he is still unfit to tour or even play a gig, since he has
problems concentrating on anything for more than a short period. It seems
unlikely that he'll ever be able to play and sing as he used to. Tragic.

: but he can certainly still arrange;
: June Tabor on her last USA tour performed a version of Anachy Gordon
: that she announced as being arranged by Jones,

I doubt if this was a recent arrangement. Jones recorded Anachy Gordon
on "The Noah's Ark Trap" .

Regards

Pete
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Indigo
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:20:56 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

They'll be at Brandeis Dec 4th. For those who want constant updates on
the Indigo Girls (and Ellen James Society, Mary Chapin Carpenter, and
other performers who have overlapping followings) you can join the
Indigo Girls mailing list by sending mail to Stephen Spencer at:
  indigo-girls-request@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
You can get the list "as is" or in a nice daily digest. 
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From: jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: My Grandfather's Clock
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:09:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)

In article <1992Nov8.043442.10497@trentu.ca> ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I'm not certain if this is the group to post this request to but here it
>goes;
>
>I'd like to get the words to Henry Clay Work's (sp?) `My Grandfather's
>Clock'.  I think it was written around 1870.
>
>If this ain't the group would someone point me to the right one?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>-- 
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>Peterborough, Ontario, Canada K9J 7B8     internet: kbrown@trentu.ca


It's in "Rise Up Singing," published by Sing Out! Magazine.  You spelled the
author's name correctly.
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From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Who did "Michael Row the Boat"?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:59:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendal.corp.sun.com

What was the name of the folk group that had the hit recording of
"Michael row the boat ashore" in the late fifties / early sixties?

						Andrew MacRae
From: pries@pws.ma30.bull.com (Jerri Pries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Iris Dement (sp?) recordings?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: know.10549
Organization: Bull Info Sys

miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

aw Iris recently at Boston Symphony Hall as the opening act for a
Nanci Griffith show with Jonathon Edwards. She sang three songs
and broguht the house down. She rejoined Nanci and Jonathon for a
couple of songs later in the show but her participation was limited
because she was ill.

I understand her newest album is called "Infamous Angel" but I don't
know the label.

By the way, Nanci and Jonathon were sensatiobnal. Nanci will be back
in Boston March 21 to push her new album.
B

Bye,

Jerri
.
?

>and where can I get them?
>-- 
>-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
> OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor 
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From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ultimate top 10 of folkalbumsDIR
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:39:52 GMT
Distribution: world,rec,usa
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Nov10.190909.4635@photon.com>, wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette) writes:
> jim hori (jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
> : Seems like everyone is listing contemporary stuff. Here are
> : some artists you might consider from the past:
> : 
> : Leadbelly
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> Thanks for somebody remembering the old stuff.  I find it incredible
> that people would forget the classics, such as

Perhaps some people have forgotten the "old stuff."  I suspect many posters 
don't know the "old stuff."  However, if asked to pick a few so-called 
"ultimate" albums (call them desert island disks or whatever) would most
(I said most, not everybody.  Certainly, there will be exceptions.)
people choose the "old stuff", other than to be politically correct?

Without the "old stuff" there wouldn't be any new stuff.  Many of us would 
prefer isolated cuts by Charlie Poole, the Carter Family, or any of the other
greats that have been named, but are these really the disks that we would keep,
forsaking all others?  I think not.  Where the younger artists have been true
to the tradition, their voices are stronger and they have the advantage of 
better recording techniques which produce more listenable recordings.  So, 
give me a Lou Killen recording over a field recording any day.  
(But I'll take Joe Heaney over the Bothy Band because of the way the 
constant meter of the electrified band nearly destroys the beauty of the
songs.)

Had the original posts referred to old (traditional) songs rather than
old singers, I'd have agreed wholeheartedly, but as Yogi said, "If the
people ain't gonna come, you can't stop 'em.")
From: colin@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Colin Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Hamish Henderson's politics
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:21:15 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <BxAy7s.5FC@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>a commitment not to pay it by 100 well-known Scots; I can't remember if
>Gaughan was one, but I'd have expected him to be if he still lives here
>(does he?).

I don't know if Dick Gaughan paid the poll tax or not, but he
certainly lives in Edinburgh.  In response to some other questions
about what he's up to these days, he's doing a lot of record
production, and has set up a small studio in Edinburgh alongside Hart
Street.  He spends a fair bit of time with Clan Alba, a kind of
Scottish folk "supergroup", and he's still touring extensively.  He
was in Canada (Vancouver) recently, which is unusual for him as he's
terrified of flying.  Hence his lack of appearances in North America.

Colin
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From: clarkec@fraser.sfu.ca (David Gordon Clarke)
Subject: Re: Folk CDs in North America
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:27:36 GMT

Folk CD prices?  In Canada I can expect to pay $16-$23 (Canadian), which
at my last comparison to the pound, makes them cheaper here...I pay
$15 + (American) for mailorder from the US.  The last time I was in
Edinburgh (this past May), I found that the pound spent like a Canadian
dollar, insofar as music went (I.e., what I could get in Scotland for 1
pound, I could get in Canada for 1 dollar.)

Dave.

.
                       David Clarke (clarkec@sfu.ca) 
                  ....the well is deep...wish me well...


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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Help with lyrics: "Bold Reynard"
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
	<MARTIN.92Nov9065421@lyra.cis.umassd.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:56:29 GMT

In article <MARTIN.92Nov9065421@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) lies:

   In article <1992Nov8.220710.9125@pony.Ingres.COM> jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:

     I've been using the tune of "Bold Reynard", from June Tabor's "Ashes and
     Diamonds" album, as an instrumental for a long time, and I finally decided
     that it would be nice to learn the words.  Alas, the cut turns out to be
     one of the more extreme examples of Tabor's use of regional pronunciation,
     which is to say, it's damn near incomprehensible, at least to a colonial
     like myself.  After an extended session with headphones and equalizer,
     I came up with the following incomplete lyric, and I'm wondering if
     anyone happens to know the missing lines, or if some fellow Tabor fan
     with a better ear for British accents might be willing to help me out.
     Even wild guesses would be appreciated; if I can't come up with the
     officially correct words I'll just have to make something up.

   It's also on Martyn Wyndham Read's album, Mussels on a Tree.  His
   pronounciation is impeccable, but I won't have time to listen to
   it for week or so.  I'll save your transcription and try to remember
   it when I get back from Chicago next weekend.  His notes say:

   A song about foxhunting from the point of view of the fox.  I hope
   any foxes listening will excuse the shortcomings in the translation
   from the fox tongue into English.  The human author responsible is
   Dave Toye, a Horsham man living in Sussex (many miles from Aberystwyth)
   and a friend of more years than I care to admit.

RETRACTION!!!!!

It's not the same song, and I did have time to listen to it in the car
on the way to work.  Good song, none-the-less.

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: FOlk Sampler Song
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:43:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov5.164344.21988
Organization: Western Washington University


Could you be thinking of the old hymn "How Can I Keep From Singing?"

Recorded by Pete Seeger, Bok Trickett and Muir, etc.

Lyrics and chords in RISE UP SINGING
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: REQ: Phil Ochs Lyrics
Keywords: Phil Ochs
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:21:39 GMT

jacob@cs.swarthmore.edu (Jacob Mattison) writes:

>Changes
>    Phil Ochs

>(This is from memory.  Bear with me.)

>Sit by my side, come as close as the air
>Share in my memories of grey
           a memory

>and wander in my world
     wonder
>and dream about the pictures that I play
>of changes

>Green leaves of summer turn red in the fall
>to brown and to yellow they fade
>and then they have to die
>trapped within the circle time parade
>of changes

>Moments of magic will glow in the night
>all fears of the forest are gone
>but when the morning breaks
>they're swept away by golden drops of dawn
>of changes

>The world spinning madly, it drifts in the dark
          's
>swims through a hollow of haze
>a race around the stars
>a journey through the universe ablaze
>with changes

>Passions will part to a strange melody
>as fires will sometimes burn cold
>like petals in the wind
>we're puppets to the silver strings of souls
>of changes

>Your tears will be falling, now we're somewhere else
>one last cup of wine I will pour
                      we

>I'll kiss you one more time
>and leave you on the rolling river shore
>of changes

>(repeat first verse)


>Hmm.  I think this is actually right.  Good song, even if it is in that great

Extremely close - a few nits picked. (From my handwritten lyrics, which
include two extra verses which he occasionally performed live, at Rutgers
in 1964-65.) Terrific song to us old-timers!  -- Larry



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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Grandmother's Cat Re: Grandfather's Clock - summary
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:57:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.171015.18844@trentu.ca> ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown) writes:
>
>Here's what I've got so far from various folks who have responded to my
>request.
>
>
>  My Grandfather's Clock was too large for the shelf 
>  So it stood ninety years on the floor. 
>  It was taller by half than the old man himself 
>  but it weighed not a pennyweight more. 
>  It was bought on the morn of the day that he was born. 
>  It was always his treasure and pride. 
>  But it stopped short, never to go again, when the old man died. 
>    
>  Chorus: 
>   
>  Ninety years without slumbering, tic toc, tic toc 
>  His life's seconds numbering, tic toc, tic toc 
>  It stopped short, never to go again, when the old man died. 
>   
>  In watching its pendulum swing too and fro 
>  Many hours had he spent while a boy. 
>  And in childhood and manhood the clock seemed to know 
>  and to share both his grief and his joy. 
>  For it struck twentyfour when he entered at the door 
>  With a blooming and beautiful bride. 
>  But it stopped short, never to go again, when the old man died. 
>   
>  Chorus 
>
>  My grandfather said that of those he could hire
>  Not a servant so faithful he'd found.
>  For it kept to its place and had but one desire
>  At the end of each week to be wound.
>  For it stood in its place, not a frown upon its face
>  And its hands never hung by its sides.
>  But it stopped short, never to go again, when the old man died
>
>  Chorus

I remember another verse. Lets see if I can remember:


It rang an alarm in the dead of the night
An alarm that for years had been dumb
So we knew that his spirit was pluming for flight
And his hour of departure had come
Yet the clock kept the time in a soft and muffled chime
While we stood silently by its side
But it stopped, short, never to go again
When the old man died



Then theres the one that went:

My grandmother's cat was too large for the shelf
So it slept many years in her bed
It was larger by half than the old gal herself
...

(Can someone post the rest? This is one of Garrison Keillor's
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From: jcm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris McGlone)
Subject: Re: NJ/NY/CT folk radio
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:52:26 GMT


Regarding WFDU: I quit listening to them after Earl Hitchner quit doing
his Celtic show, which was one of the best folk shows I have heard anywhere.
If he now has a show somewhere else in the region, it would be worth 
picking up.  He did write a music column for one of the Irish papers in NY,
I forget which.  

His replacement was nothing more than a record spinner, as were most of the
DJ's on the station, which I suppose is a curse of college stations.  The
guy who did the Saturday bluegrass show was especially bad--little knowledge
of the music and constant mumbling while fumbling with the equipment.

A good place to find out about radio stations is in the Traditional Music
Line, a monthly publication listing performance dates and also radio shows.


Disclaimers--I have no connection to Trad. Music Line, and left NY 6 
months ago.
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