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From: jennrich@kastor.itp.uni-hannover.de (Oliver Jennrich)
Subject: TDW works with Trident VGA ?
Organization: Institut fuer Theoretische Physik, Uni Hannover
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:23:43 GMT

Hi out there,
excuse me, if this is a FAQ, but i've never read about it.
Is there any possibility to make TDW work with a Trident VGA ? I asked
Borland and they said there are no *.DLL available.

So, knows anybody about a PD-Driver for TVGA ?

Please eMail, i'll post a summary if necessary.

ad_Thanx_vance
Oliver
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: mshiels@TMSoftware.Ca (Michael A. Shiels)
Subject: MDI or Child windows with MENUS?
Organization: MaS Network Software and Consulting
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:23:02 GMT



Does anyone know of a way to have Child or MDI windows with their own 
menus but not like the normaly way MDI does them but "normal" windows menus.

We have an application which opens a large desktop and then creates some
io device windows and we want them to each have a menu.  Currently we are
trying to fake MDI because we don't do things like maximise and we do a
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.windows.ms.programmer,bit.listserv.win3-l
From: griggs@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Dr. Ken Griggs)
Subject: Hi-Screen Pro II
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:09:58 GMT

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about the Hi-Screen Pro II
interface builder?

Thanks in advance - Tien


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: drv@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dennis.r.vogel)
Subject: NEED HELP! compiling Petzold's examples
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:14:35 GMT

This must be basic.  When I try to compile examples
from Petzold's book using his make file, I get
L2029 (unresolved external reference) for all of
the Windows functions.  There must be something
obvious wrong here.  I'd have thought all of these
examples had been tested quite thoroughly so I'm
guessing something in my SDK or C installation is not
quite 'standard'.  I'd appreciate any hints.

Dennis R. Vogel
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Middletown, NJ
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.windows.ms.programmer,bit.listserv.win3-l
From: twbrown@PE-Nelson.COM (Tom W. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: My own DialogBox call
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:14:33 GMT
Organization: PE-Nelson

In article <1992Oct13.143600.13108@fics.uucp>, kro@fics.uucp writes:
|> I would like to create an ordinary window containing the exact same items 
|> that a dialogbox would, and then call some function which should return 
|> when a specified event occurrs.
|> 
|> I need to know what I should put into this function to make it appear as
|> a blocking operation (like the DialogBox call).
|> 
|> Knut

Your function needs its own message loop, something like this...

   ...
   while (!time_to_exit)
      {
      MSG msg;

      while (PeekMessage(&msg, NULL, 0, 0, PM_REMOVE))
         {
         TranslateMessage(&msg);
         DispatchMessage(&msg);
         }
      }
   ...

where 'time_to_exit' may be a global variable that is set when an appropriate
action occurs in your "dialog" window.  Note that you may need more than just
the translate/dispatch here depending on your application -- e.g. you may
need to check for dialog messages and/or accelerators.


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From: senior@bcrki69.bnr.ca (Dan Senior)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: EMM, DPMI and Windows Standard Mode
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: senior@bcrki69.bnr.ca (Dan Senior)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Oct16.080215.17178@nuscc.nus.sg>,
chtan@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Choong Hwee) writes:
> 
> Dear Netters,
> 
> Does anyone know how much DPMI support there is in Windows standard mode
> with EMM on?  I'm interested in accessing extended memory, possibly even
> beyond the system physical memory (some I/O device memory that I have to
> grab), and I use DPMI to get a selector to the extended memory.  Under
> 386 enhanced mode I have no problem accessing said memory, but with
> Standard mode and EMM active Windows complains of a Page Fault at
> the point where I dereference the selector.
> 
> Does anyone have similar experiences of what I had just described?
> Anyway I can get at that memory without Windows coughing up and throwing
> my program out?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help you may have.
> 
> Regards,
> C H Tan
> chtan@solomon.technet.sg

It is my understanding that standard mode windows does not 
itself provide DPMI services; that's what it says in the 
documentation with C/C++ 7.0, which needs DPMI services and
must be run either in Windows enhanced, or from DOS while
using (something like) 386max instead of emm386 (which also
does not provide DPMI services). The combination of 386max
and Windows standard mode does not provide DPMI either. I am 
running windows 3.1.

Hope this helps,
Dan
My views are my own; BNR does not necessarily agree; my wife never does.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: focke@gmdzi.gmd.de (Stefan Focke)
Subject: Re: Help: How to activate DEL in the Edit Class (no Problem)
Organization: gmd
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:32:53 GMT

In article <focke.3.719237443@gmdzi.gmd.de> focke@gmdzi.gmd.de (Stefan Focke) writes:

>I use Turbo Pascal for Windows 1.5.
>If I use a TEditWindows-Object (a child of the Edit-Class) the DEL-Key does 
>not work. The only possiblility to delete a character is to use Backspace.

Sorry my program was wrong. There is no Problem.

Stefan

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Postfach 1316
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Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 17:59:36 MEZ
From: Thomas Heller <HELLER@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Icons for minimized Dialog Boxes

How can associate Icons to Dialog Boxes?

Hint: SetClassWord(GCW_HICON) does work, but not as intended, 'cause all
Dailogs will display the same icon then. I want different icons, and only for
MY dialogs.

Thomas Heller
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: scott@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Evernden)
Subject: Re: Graphical User Interface Builders and C
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:10:17 GMT

In article <54510@dime.cs.umass.edu> Robert@cs.umass.edu writes:
>Can anyone suggest a good Graphical User Interface Builder that generates C code
>that works over multiple platforms, i.e. Unix (DEC, SUN, MAC/AUX, SCO), MacOS,
>Windows?

IMHO:

There are none today, really.  Best available is probably Neuron Data's OI
product, but is laughably expensive and they want to "share in your success"
by requiring an absurd per-copy royalty.  Too bad...

I looked at Visix Galaxy in June, but it wasn't ready yet.  I thought they
were still about a year too soon, but they're starting to advertize for real
now, so maybe look at that?

XVT is pretty lightweight.  Zapp's GUI classes (i.e., C++) do Windows and are
supposed to also do Motif, which I didn't try.

Alternative is to select fewer target platforms (e.g., Unix/Windows) and pick
the most productive tool on each.  You should consider using C++.  For Unix,
I would choose Solbourne OI (ParcPlace or CenterLine), and Borland OWL & tools
for Windows...

-scott
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user interface and application development technologies and tools
From: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: Browse Sequences in WinHelp - how?
Keywords: help compiler,help
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:46:35 +1200

In <1992Oct08.170827.1683@microsoft.com> blakeco@microsoft.com (Blake Coverett) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.173145.10025@cs.tu-berlin.de> loewis@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Martin v.Loewis) writes:

>>If it does matter, I'm using hc31 from Borland, but the compiler of
>>the SDK is not better.

>They are identical, Borland licences the help compiler from MS.

Well now we are talking about the Help Compiler, I have a problem with
it.  The screen saver I have written (Resta 2.2) has a help file
with a lot of shg's in it.  The help file is supposed to be visual,
ie: The user clicks on the option he/she wants help on in the help file
and the information comes up.  Because there are so many graphics files
I would expect the help file to be large.   But large is not the word!!
Massive is the word!!  Off hand (I'm not at a computer with the help
file on) is is well over 150k!!  I think getting nearer 200...  The
problem lies with the help compiler with compression turned on saying
that it runs out of memory, even if I have 619k free!!

I hope someone can help,
Stefan


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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: marshall@tfh.enet.dec.com (Hunting the Snark)
Subject: TPW function RANDOM
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:11:57 GMT


I am interested in the details of TPW's RANDOM number generator. How random is
it really, what is it's periodicity, what algorithm does it use, and any thing
else you'd like to share? Is it the same algorithm as in TurboC++?

My specific interest is this: my application creates 18 random integers in the
range of 0..11 (inclusive). Using RANDOM, are all possible combinations of an
18 number sequence equally probable? I'd like to be able to quantify how far
it is from that ideal.

Thanks,

Steve Marshall
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: blakeco@microsoft.com (Blake Coverett)
Subject: Re: Clock applet
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:55:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Canada Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.053454.8491@engage.pko.dec.com> marshall@tfh.enet.dec.com (Hunting the Snark) writes:
>I would like to imitate an interesting property of the Clock applet in Windows
>3.1 (I don't remember now if the one in 3.0 did this). When you select the "No
>Title" setting, holding the left mouse button down in the clock window puts it
>into the move mode the same as in the caption of of a normal window. How does 
>it do that? Is there an easy way (some undocumented windows fuction) or do they
>do it "the hard way" (LbuttonDown, SetCapture, GetDC, MouseMove, etc.) Is it 
>significant that it only does this when there is no title bar?

Undocumented functions... Bah!

case WM_NCHITTEST: {
	LONG lResult = DefWindowProc(hwnd,msgID,wParam,lParam);
	return (bNoTitle && lResult == HTCLIENT) ? HTCAPTION : lResult;
	}

-Blake
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From: twbrown@PE-Nelson.COM (Tom W. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: Borland C++ 3.1 DLL example - Import Librarian
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:23:44 GMT
Organization: PE-Nelson

In article <1992Oct14.093718.4464@apricot.co.uk>, marcusj@apricot.co.uk (Marcus Jenkins) writes:
|> I am having a certain amount of hassle building the DLL examples
|> supplied with Borland C++.  The projects build fine in the IDE
|> *except* the import library does not automatically get created 
|> by the DLL project, therefore the project that uses the DLL 
|> barfs during the link phase.  I have played with IMPLIB (with
|> reference to the manuals) and I haven't successfully managed
|> to create an import library for the DLL yet.  Any clues?
|> 

The DOS based IDE will create the .LIB file (double check the make options
in Options | Make, Generate Import Library).  However, the Windows hosted
IDE will not do this (brain-dead BCW !!!)

IMPLIB works for me as does IMPLIBW.  When you say that you haven't
successfully managed to create an import library do you mean the .LIB file
isn't even created, or it is but you get link errors when linking with it?
In the latter case, make sure that you are using case sensitive link *and*
case sensitive exports.


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From: cs92njc@brunel.ac.uk (Nicholas J Clayton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: Edit Fields in Dialog Boxes
Keywords: dialogs fonts edit fields
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:22:10 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <Bvv1Iy.8n8@world.std.com> mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser) writes:
>We have a set of Windows 2.11 applications that we've 98% ported to
>Windows 3.1.  We've cleaned up the ugliness in most of our 150 dialog
>boxes, but have just discovered that many edit fields were set to fixed
>widths in order to restrict the number of input characters.  Now, with the
>proportional font, the user can in some cases (lower case) enter a lot
>more characters than we can handle, and in other cases (upper case), fewer
>characters than the real limit.
>
>Is there a simple way, WITHOUT recoding all 150 dialog boxes, of having
>Windows use a fixed-pitch font in edit fields, or in some other way
>reinstate the character limits we had under Windows 2.11?
>
>Thanks very much for any responses!

You can certainly limit the number of characters that can be typed into the
edit child control. In the dialog create code, try the following,

SendDlgItemMessage(hWndDlg, ID_CONTROL, EM_LIMITLENGTH, 0, x);

If I've done that properly (from memory), hWndDlg is the handle to the dialog,
ID_CONTROL is the edit control ID, EM_LIMITLENGTH limits the length (B-) ),
wParam is 0, and lParam is the length.

I could have that the wrong way round (lParam and wParam), so check the
docs/.hlp anyway. You might want to check some of the other EM_ messages as
well, since they are all pretty helpful.

Rgds, Nik

... `My Worf, open hailing frequencies' `Aye sir, phasers locked'
From: twbrown@PE-Nelson.COM (Tom W. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: Changing a window's title after creation
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:18:17 GMT
Organization: PE-Nelson

In article <BvMnIJ.Cx7@alsvid.une.edu.au>, rbyrnes@alsvid.une.edu.au (Rod Byrnes) writes:
|> Does anyone know how to change a window's title, after the window has
|> already been created? I'm using Turbo Pascal for Windows. What I need
|> to do is change a window's title after performing a 'SaveAs'. I can't
|> find this anywhere in the documentation, but it is a pretty important
|> topic. There must be a simple answer, but it is so frustrating trying
|> to find it. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Use SetWindowText(HWND, LPSTR).


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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: bonneau@hyper.hyper.com (Paul Bonneau)
Subject: Re: GlobalAlloc automatically freed?
Reply-To: bonneau@hyper.UUCP (Paul Bonneau,,)
Organization: HyperCube Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:43:12 GMT

In article <kkh1qA-NBh105h@olson.acme.gen.nz> stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson) writes:
>In <JKF.92Oct6083132@frisky.Franz.COM> jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro) writes:
>> If I GlobalAlloc some space, is that space automatically freed when my 
>>application ends?
>
>No.  Use GlobalFree ()
>
This is wrong.  Even memory allocated with GMEM_DDESHAERE is
freed when the last instance (i.e. task) of the module is
unloaded.  Global memory allocated without GMEM_DDESHARE is
freed when the task terminates.

cheers - Paul.
From: delz3530@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew J.G. Delzer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: BC++ w/AF  programming question
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:34:35 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: delz3530@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

>
>     I am a beginner Win 3.1 programmer and have the following
>  question.  I have just coded in the program "about1" found in 
>  ch 10 of Charles Petzold "Programming Windows" book.  I am using
>  BC++ w/AF.  The problem is when I choose "Build All" from the
>  Compile menu, I get the following error;
>
>    ERROR ...\ABOUT1.C Undefined symbol 'IDM_ABOUT'
>
>  I have coded in the about1.c, about1.rc and about1.h files.  I would
>be very greatfull if someone knows what I need to do.
>

	Thanks to to the many people who pointed me in the correct
   direction, I discovered that the #include "about1.h" needed the
   full path to about1.h.

   Andrew J.G. Delzer





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From: gtd543a@prism.gatech.EDU (death)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: Authoring Help Files
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:17:05 GMT
Organization: Fool's Paradise
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

David Elliott (dce@smsc.sony.com) wrote:
: Not to be overly critical of you folks, but, in most cases, it really
: isn't that hard to write help files using Word.  I'm very impressed
: with the way Microsoft adapted RTF to do this.  I'm not so impressed
: with the documentation in the SDK "Programming Tools" manual.  Luckily,
: I started with an older book that explained all this in terms of
: fonts and footnotes instead of RTF commands.

I think that people think of authoring help files conceptually rather
than realisticly.  In other words, they think like computer science
majors (which I am - I'm not slamming anyone here) instead of accountants.
The accounting mind will sit down and do the dirty deed and get it over
with in x hours.  The comp.sci. mind will sit down, write a program (or
whine for one) that will do the dirty deed, debug it, enhance it, and then
do the dirty deed, even if it takes (x^y, y>=2) hours.  

In other words, no, it isn't that hard to learn the RTF commands and write
a help file, but it -SHOULD- be easier.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Novell Netbios 3.10 Crashes Under Debug Kernel
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:16:26 GMT

Is anyone else having problems with the 3.02 or 3.1 versions of Novell
Netbios RIPping on startup of the Windows 3.1 debug kernel?  Any
workarounds for this?  

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: paul@iti.gov.sg (Paul Phang (AIM))
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Pen Windows
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:33:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: iti.1992Oct16.153310.18454
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore

Hi !

I am doing some programming for Microsoft Windows for pen-computing.
I have some problem getting the Wacom digitiser SD510C to work correctly
as a pen input device. What drivers do I need? How can it be set up correctly
?  What modifications would need to be effected in system.ini ?

Also, are there device drivers for Pen Windows to operate in Super VGA
mode?  

Thanks in advance.

-- 
                             Paul Kah Heng Phang
 Advanced User Interface Group, Computer and Communications Laboratory
 Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore
     Email: paul@iti.gov.sg   Phone: (65) 7720908 Fax: (65) 7773043
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: bahman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bahman Khamneian)
Subject: Internal PC-speaker (device driver)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:27:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.161627.27114@ugle.unit.no> bjaastad@idt.unit.no (H}vard Bj}stad) writes:


Are there any speaker device drivers for purchase  or free?
does DDK provide any? 


Please email.

thanks in advance,
bahman khamneian


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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Straw poll: comp.os.ms-windows.visual-basic ?
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:22:55 GMT

This is just a straw poll.  How many would be interested in a separate
newsgroup comp.os.ms-windows.visual-basic ?

Please reply by e-mail, if there's sufficient interest I'll consider
going the RFD/CFV route on it.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: sweetman@sea.com (Bill Sweetman)
Subject: Changing Fonts ...
Organization: Systems Engineering Associates
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:11:56 GMT

=-=-=
all -

i'm looking for a little insight ...

i'm using the ChooseFont structure/command to allow the user
to change to any desirable system font.  simple.
BUT after scrolling through a large document, OR using the
application for a while, the font will change back to the
default system font and NOT allow it to be changed again.

has anyone else experienced this before??  

thanks,
-bill
   sweetman@sea.com

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From: simon@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
Subject: Re: toolbar in VB
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:36:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Paul Moore (pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk) wrote:
: Anybody got a toolbar VBX for VB? Or seen a reasonable commercial one?

In the Professional Toolkit there is a custom control which implements
3D buttons.  You could use this to implement a toolbar which looked
almost exactly like that in (for example) Word, really easily.

Don't know how much the toolkit costs normally - I got educational
discount on mine.  It's about the same price as VB itself, I think.


-- Si

Simon A. Dobson

Dept. of computer science,    \    The Real World:  place for
University of York,            \     People who can't take their
Heslington, York, UK.           \      Magic Roundabout.

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