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From: clary@meteo.fr (Olivier CLARY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Ta'nc
Date: 12 Sep 1992 08:56:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Csi'ki Miha'ly uta'n e'n is ko~zo~lhetne'k egy-ke't lakodalmast.

Olivier, Toulouse, France

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"Iglice szi'vem" c. kazetta'bo'l (Hungaroton MK18166):

Szvora'k Katalin e's a Te'ka egyu~ttes


2   |\ |\ |\ |\ |  |\ |\ |  |
2  x  x  x  x   | x  x  x   |
   m' m' d' t   | d' m  l   |
   t  d' r' t   | d' m  l   |
   m' m' d' t   | d' m  l   |
   t  d' r' t   | l  l  l   |

Ve'kony ce'rna, ko~me'nymag,
jaj de kicsi lege'ny vagy!
Juhahaha-hahaha,
juhahaha-hahaha.

Kokas, csirke, vadliba,
gyere pajta's lagziba!
Juhahaha-hahaha,
juhahaha-hahaha.

Egyszer bu'za, egyszer rost!
Menyasszonyunk aranyos!
Juuj-huuj-juhuhu!

A'rpacipo', zabkenye'r,
jaj de sze'p a vo"lege'ny!
Juhahaha-hahaha,
juhahaha-hahaha.

Sze'p a tavasz, sze'p a nya'r!
Sze'p, aki pa'rja'val ja'r!
Juuj-huuj-juhuhu!

2   |\ |\ |\ |\ |  |\ |\ |  |
2  x  x  x  x   | x  x  x   |
   l  l  s  f   | m  l  m   |
   l  l  s  f   | m  l  m   |
   r  d  t, d   | m  m  m   |
   r  d  r  r   | l, l, l,  |

Sze'les az e'n kedvem ma,
nem fe'r bele a ha'zba!
Eje-haja-csuhajna,
nem fe'r bele a ha'zba.

Kicsi nekem ez a ha'z,
kiru'gom az oldala't!
Eje-haja-csuhajna,
kiru'gom az oldala't.

Ru'gd ki, ne hagyd magadat!
Forgasd, forgasd pa'rodat!
Eje-haja-csuhajna,
Forgasd, forgasd pa'rodat.

Nem megyek e'n me'g haza,
mert a ciga'ny jo'l hu'zza!
Eje-haja-csuhajna,
mert a ciga'ny jo'l hu'zza.
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:44:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA
From: prizsi@a-l3wl07.cern.ch (Miklos Prisznya'k)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: Kezet csokolom
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:47:41 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
>>>Is the phrase "Kezet csokolom" still commonly used in Hungary by
>>>a man when he greets a woman? Is it considered old-fashioned?
>>
>>Yes, I think that's still quite common when a man greets a woman who
>>is some tens of years older than he is.

>Wait a minute.  So she has to be some tens of years older than he is?
>One can't use it to greet a woman of his own age?

 One can use it to greet his female classmate or girlfriend, of course, 
 at most she will be surprised a bit and/or   she will think  
 you're a funny guy and/or.. :-)))

 Elderly people use it to greet women of their own age, certainly, but anyone
 under 30 would probably not. Actually what I meant is that I'd greet a lady
 about 60 year old in that way. ( I'm 25.) And that's a casual behavior. 
 ( This doesn't mean either that everybody does that and/or I always do that.)


>Doesn't sound like much of a greeting, does it?  I don't think many
>women would want to be reminded that they are even a few years older
>than someone else.


So it doesn't sound like much of a greeting to you? :)  There are some people
who disagree... It was the most common greeting to ladies in the Austrian-Hungarian
Empire and/or Central Europe for some time, I think.. 

 As far as I know there are some (Chinese or Vietnamise?) regions where people 
 greet each other this way: Have you eaten your rye portion already? Or the Eskimos
 rub their nose against each other's..   :)  

 As for the ladies, if someone doesn't like to be greeted this way she must tell.. :)

 And most elderly ladies won't feel offended or bad anyway. Actually that's what they
 expect traditonally. ( Again, there are exceptions,etc. But in villages there are
 few feminists or equal-rights-to-women-so-scrap-even-the-traditional-greetings minded
 men :-) And believe me it's not an offense in cities either. :)  )


 Miklos
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: Kezet csokolom
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:09:39 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <prizsi.715787261@a-l3wl07> prizsi@a-l3wl07.cern.ch (Miklos Prisznya'k) writes:
iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
<[M Prisznyak writes re "Keze1t cso1kolom":]
<>>I think that's still quite common when a man greets a woman who
<>>is some tens of years older than he is.
<
<>Wait a minute.  So she has to be some tens of years older than he is?
<>One can't use it to greet a woman of his own age?
<
< One can use it to greet his female classmate or girlfriend, of course, 
< at most she will be surprised a bit and/or   she will think  
< you're a funny guy and/or.. :-)))

Oh.  What will she think if you do what it says, instead of saying it?
I'm curious--I know that women of different nations and different ages
can react very differently to an actual hand kiss or mention thereof.

< Actually what I meant is that I'd greet a lady
< about 60 year old in that way. ( I'm 25.)

(So am I.)  I think I've used the phrase only once in my life, and the
woman in question was at least 50.  But I haven't communicated much
with Hungarian ladies anyway; and most of the time I've been sticking
to the "jo1 --t ki1va1nok" series of greetings.

<>Doesn't sound like much of a greeting, does it?  I don't think many
<>women would want to be reminded that they are even a few years older
<>than someone else.
<
<So it doesn't sound like much of a greeting to you? :)  There are some people
<who disagree...

It sounds like very much of a greeting to me, of course, but if, as
you seemed to say, it carries the implication of `I greet you in this
way because I see/know that you are a few decades older than I am, and
don't you forget about this', then it might not be a good idea.  :-)

<It was the most common greeting to ladies in the Austrian-Hungarian
<Empire and/or Central Europe for some time, I think.. 

Oh yes, and so was its German equivalent, whence "Kisztihand" was
derived, but that is as good as extinct in the German-speaking world.
On the other hand, the Poles and Russians don't say it, they just do it.

< As far as I know there are some (Chinese or Vietnamise?) regions
< where people greet each other this way: Have you eaten your rye
< portion already?

("Have you eaten?")  That's China, a country which has gone through
more than enough famines to make this kind of greeting justified.

< Or the Eskimos rub their nose against each other's..   :)  

Or the other Eskimos who used to greet foreign visitors by a fist blow
over the head or shoulders.  Really.  It was meant as a greeting.

< As for the ladies, if someone doesn't like to be greeted this way
< she must tell.. :)

Or just pree"mpt the gentleman by saying "Szia".  :-)

-- 
 `If ye hiv ears oan yer heid - then use them tae lissen.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: al045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gergely Tapolyai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: ONENESS AND UNIQUENESS OF THE CREATOR, AND THE PURPOSE OF CREATION
Date: 5 Sep 1992 02:28:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Na hallod, ha ma'r nem haragszol, de 200 e'v ele'g volt neku~nk
Allahbo'l.  Persze ha megengeditek neku~nk is hogy egy tucat
felese'geink legyenek.... Mie'rt ne?  Ugorjatok be hozza'nk,
diszno' pecsenye lessz ma este!

<g>
-- 
TAPOLYAI, Gergely                al045@cleveland.freenet.edu
                                 Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A.
From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Otto von Habsburg
Summary: Feelings about him, good or bad
Keywords: Habsburg, attitude
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:40:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I was curious as to the feelings of Hungarians towards Otto von Habsburg.
I know that there was a tremendous amount of affection for (the former Empress)
Zita;  I was in Vienna in the spring of '90 and in the Kaisergrupft there were
lots of flowers, wreaths, etc. on her casket from all over Hungary.  I was 
wondering if there was similar sentiment for Otto, who (I believe) is the 
"ranking" member of the family now.

My interest is because my mother's family is from near Vienna (several genera-
tions ago), and I've been studying the period of the Dual Monarchy for a 
while, but Mostly on the Austrian half.  I would like to know more about
"the lands of the Crown of St. Stephen", especially since I hope to do an
internship there next summer.  Any and all information is appreciated.

Thanks! (German is "Viele Danke"; Magyar is ???  Let me know, I want to learn!)



-- 
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From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 11 SEP, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 08:02:44 -0500
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GABCIKOVO TO BEGIN OPERATING IN NOVEMBER. Ivan Carnogursky, the
general director of the company that is building the Gabcikovo
hydroelectric plant on the Danube, told CSTK on 10 September that
the facility will partly be put into operation at the beginning of
November. Construction will be fully completed by the end of 1992.
Carnogursky rejected claims made by Hungary that the so-called "C"
variant of the project, adopted by Czechoslovakia after Hungary
withdrew from the project, would change the Slovak-Hungarian
border.  The variant requires diverting the Danube. Carnogursky
also said that he approves the setting up of a joint parliamentary
review committee with Hungary to deal with disagreements over the
project. (Jiri Pehe, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
ROMANIA ACCUSES DIPLOMATS OF MEDDLING.  On 9 September Traian
Chebeleu, a spokesman for the Romanian Foreign Ministry, suggested
that diplomats in Bucharest are meddling in the electoral campaign.
Rompres quoted Chebeleu as saying that his ministry has received
several complaints about alleged attempts by foreign diplomats to
influence the electorate.  Chebeleu, who refused to say which
embassies were involved in these actions, insisted that Romania
welcomes foreign election observers, including members of the
diplomatic corps, on the condition that they observe neutrality.
(Dan Ionescu, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
SOLE MAGYAR OFFICIAL IN ROMANIAN GOVERNMENT DISMISSED. Radio
Budapest reported on 9 September that Andor Horvath, state
secretary for education and the only Romanian cabinet official of
Hungarian nationality, has been dismissed from his post. No reason
was given for the move. The educational sector is considered
crucial by Romania's two million ethnic Hungarians who are fighting
for more schools with instruction in Hungarian.  (Judith Pataki,
RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL report (excerpts)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 16:13:31 -0500
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ROMANIA'S ETHNIC HUNGARIANS URGE TOKES TO END HUNGER STRIKE.
Magyar Bishop Laszlo Tokes has been urged by his supporters to
abandon his week-old protest fast. In a statement read on Radio
Bucharest, the Hungarian Democratic Union of Romania, which
represents the country's Hungarian minority, urged Tokes to
"preserve his strength to fight for the victory of truth and moral
values." Tokes began his hunger strike in an attempt to force the
authorities to identify the murderers of the 1,033 victims of the
1989 Romanian uprising. President Ion Iliescu offered last week to
meet Tokes but has effectively rejected the latter's demands from
the outset. (Dan Ionescu, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
NO BREAKTHROUGH IN HUNGARIAN-SLOVAK RELATIONS. The first meeting
since the June 1992 Czechoslovak elections between Hungarian Prime
Minister Jozsef Antall and his Slovak counterpart Vladimir Meciar
in Budapest did not result in any breakthroughs, Radio Budapest and
MTI announced. Meciar thanked Antall for Budapest's recognition of
the division of Czechoslovakia without trying to "make political
capital" out of it. The two premiers agreed to set up three joint
parliamentary commissions: on the situation of their respective
national minorities, on bilateral relations as a whole, and on the
problem of the Gabcikovo hydroelectric plant.  On the latter issue,
questions such as the validity of the Czechoslovak-Hungarian
agreement (unilaterally abrogated by Hungary in May 1992) and the
legality of Slovakia's plans to divert the Danube River (which
forms the Slovak-Hungarian border), are still not resolved.
Budapest has suggested that the International Court of Justice be
asked to rule on the matter--a solution not favored but also not
rejected by Meciar. (Alfred Reisch, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
MECIAR MEETS WITH SLOVAK MINORITY LEADERS. At the start of his
Budapest visit, Meciar met with representatives of Hungary's
100,000-strong Slovak minority. He rejected the notion of
"collective minority rights," and said that emphasis should be
placed on the assertion of citizens' individual rights. The ethnic
Slovaks asked for Bratislava's support in printing publications in
their language and supported a "sister-city" program for Hungarian
and Slovak towns and villages. (Alfred Reisch, RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: al045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gergely Tapolyai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: Kezet csokolom
Date: 6 Sep 1992 22:02:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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As an other message have suggested it, there are many places where
kez't cso'kolom can be used.  I am 25, and I use it to great anyone
that I know and is older.  Including my parents.  I also greet
religous leaders like that.  I even say it to younger women.
I never have been told that I was offending anyone.  On the other 
hand I only "O~n" men, in particualr the ones that I am not too 
familiar with.  It's like talking to them in third person.  Wierd
in English, but quite accepte, and sometimes even expected in some
circles.

Although Hungray is very small compared to many countries, we are
still just as much or even more colorfull and diverse as any other
.

-- 
TAPOLYAI, Gergely                al045@cleveland.freenet.edu
                                 Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: FEKETE@bcvax1.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Subject: try
Reply-To: fekete@bcvax1.bc.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:53:00 GMT

sorry...
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: Kezet csokolom
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:00:28 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <prizsi.715627178@a-l3wl07> prizsi@a-l3wl07.cern.ch (Miklos Prisznya'k) writes:
>mnu@nairobi.inel.gov (Rick Morneau) writes:
>>Is the phrase "Kezet csokolom" still commonly used in Hungary by
>>a man when he greets a woman? Is it considered old-fashioned?
>
>Yes, I think that's still quite common when a man greets a woman who
>is some tens of years older than he is.

Wait a minute.  So she has to be some tens of years older than he is?
One can't use it to greet a woman of his own age?

Doesn't sound like much of a greeting, does it?  I don't think many
women would want to be reminded that they are even a few years older
than someone else.

-- 
 `If ye hiv ears oan yer heid - then use them tae lissen.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL report (excerpts)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:41:26 -0500
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VOJVODINA HUNGARIANS PROTEST RESETTLEMENT.  Janos Vekas, vice
president of the Democratic Union of Hungarians in Vojvodina, said
that by forcefully settling large numbers of Serbs in Vojvodina,
Hungarian-Serbian relations could be spoiled for a long period of
time. According to Vekas, each city in Vojvodina will have to make
room for some 4,000 Serbs, and citizens will have to take in the
refugees without compensation.  The report was carried by Radio
Budapest on 8 September.  (Judith Pataki, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
DEMOCRATIC FORUM DEPUTY ON HUNGER STRIKE. Miklos Reti, a deputy of
the ruling Hungarian Democratic Forum went on a hunger strike on 8
September MTI reports. By his action Reti wants to secure the
dismissals of Hungarian TV and Radio chiefs Elemer Hankiss and
Csaba Gombar.  Prime Minister Jozsef Antall has requested, without
success, that President Arpad Goncz sign the dismissals of the two
media chiefs. (Judith Pataki, RFE/RL Inc.)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: RFE/RL Daily Report 15 SEP, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 15 Sep 1992 09:54:06 -0500
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HUNGARIANS GET COMPENSATION FOR COMMUNIST SEIZURES. The head of the
national compensation office, Tamas Sepsey, told MTI that his
agency has ruled on 202,340 claims for compensation for property
seized by the communist regime and has paid out some 9.5 billion
forint.  He reported that only 130,000 of the 830,000 applicants
for compensation wish to use the compensation vouchers to buy land;
during the first two weeks of land auctions 86 people received
land. Sepsey said that Hungarians living abroad are also eligible
for compensation but most of them do not know about the
opportunity.  He promised to provide more information about
compensation through Hungarian embassies. (Edith Oltay)
 
. . . AND IN HUNGARY. According to preliminary figures just
released by the Ministry of Labor, the number of unemployed at the
end of August was 601,000, or 11.1% of the work force, MTI reports.
This is a slight increase over July, when 10.9% of the work force
was unemployed.  The growth rate slowed, however: in August some
14,000 new unemployed were registered, compared to 40,000 in July.
The ministry is particularly concerned about the high number of
unemployed among young people starting their careers52,000and the
20% unemployment rate in Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg County.  (Edith

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From: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: welcome on labor day
Date: 9 Sep 1992 04:53:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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On May 1, 1992 I posted a message on soc.culture.magyar remembering
the fight for shorter hours of work in which Hungarian workers along 
with others around the world have over a long period of time partici-
pated.
Today, US Labor Day 1992, I am posting this message of welcome to the
new news group alt.amateur-comp. I have read and contributed to the
Amateur Computerist from its first issue almost five years ago. It has
over these years been the one publication where analysis and support
for the shorter working day has been consistantly printed.
Even though USENET NEWS is basically a forum open to anyone who can
get access, the voice of shop floor workers and their point of view
is still rarely heard on usenet newsgroups.
I hope the appearance of alt.amateur-comp on USENET on this Labor
Day will help encourage and give a home to supporters of this voice
so crucial if our society is going to solve its deep problems.
To the staff and friends of the Amateur Computerist, I congradulate
you on your accomplishments so far and wish you strength in the struggles
ahead.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian