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From: nazir@sw.stratus.com (Meer Nazir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:23:58 GMT
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In article <1ik6frINNj0@hal.com>, crash@hal.COM (Chris Craddock) writes:
> 
> The results were pretty much as mentioned above (Trueman wasn't involved)
> with Jeff Thompson at 99mph/159Km/h the fastest. Andy Roberts, Michael
> Holding and Dennis Lillee were all pretty close to each other in the
> low 90mph/145Km/h range. Then came Imran/Hadlee and others I've forgotten.

I think if you are talking about the same channel9 program which was recorded
in days of Kerry Pecker series, many Pakistani netters can recall watching
that program on Pakistan TV.
The results if I can recall were:
1. Jeff Thompson (All six deliveries faster than others)
2. Micheal Holding ( only one delivery faster than Imran in six deliveries)
3. Imran Khan (Five deliveries as second highest and one delivery with
               lesser speed than Micheal Holding)

9. Sarfraz Nawaz

Jeff Thompson was considered as fastest and Micheal Holding as second fastest
but on average speed of six deliveries IMRAN was second fastest after Thompson

Also intrestingly Sarfraz Nawaz was number 9 or 10 in speed but in accuracy
he was second or third. If some netter can really find those numbers from 
some book, it will be intersting to see them it was more than 12 years ago
when I saw this program. 


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Subject: NZ v Pak D4
From: awil2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Andrew James        Willmott       )
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:02:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

Oh dear. I arrive back from lunch to find NZ at 78/6, with Rutherford and
Harris batting. NZ must be sorely missing Wright and Crowe now! I really
can't see Harris lasting for long. Having said that he's just hit a four,
the second boundary of the innings, to take NZ to 82/6. Patel will be next
in, being the last recognised batsmen, so a lot depends on this partnership.

Andrew the worried.
(Waikato has just issued a health warning over the Hamilton test match; any
person with a weak heart or using a pacemaker should take precautions. I.e.,
turn off the radio or T.V.)

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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Indian team -- What now
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:38:25 GMT

In <1993Jan12.043320.1323@news.uakron.edu> murali@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) writes:

>"...Raman     (Can't really drop him)  "

>why ? Only one century (that did not come out right!) ... rest are single digit scores( account for some exag.). Unless there is some quota system .....

	Nope, nothing to do with the quota here: Raman topped the
averages for India and was next only to Azhar in the aggregate.  His
scores in the ODI series were: 48, 33, 113, 0, 16. He was dropped for
the last two matches.  Sunil Gavaskar praised him in his column, after
each of the first three matches. Surely Raman doesn't deserve to be
dropped from the ODI team....

>>>" ..Azhar     } automatic choices.... "
>Only bcoz he is the captain. Should try him as non playing captain ... like in Davis cup matches.

	Goodness! As it is, he is pretty ineffective as a captain on
the field. What say will he have if he isn't even playing?? And
secondly, I disagree that he should be dropped as a batsman at all.

>>>" ...Shastri   (can move up/down as per the situation) "

>You are not talking about love making  ... are you?

	:-> Nope, but you HAVE to accept (unless you're depserately
prejudiced against Shastri :->) that his position in the batting lineup
is pretty flexible, and he is capable of batting just about anywhere in
the order.

>>>" ...Yadav     (*better* bat than More in ODIs)"

>Comparing two great bats is always  difficult! Well, if one of them 'keeps better retain him.

	Do I detect a teeny weeny tinge of sarcasm ? :-> FYI, Yadav
does seem to be more of a batsman than More ever was. More has always
been the doughty, never-say-die tailender. Not Yadav. He's much more of
a genuine batsman.  Of course, IMHO keeping ability is more important,
and in this respect, I plead ignorance. However, as I've said, Yadav
can't do any worse than More's been doing recently!

>>>" ...Kumble    (deserves a few more chances at least)"

>One ?

Series.

>cotah[ who can never be a selector ]



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From: murali@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Subject: Re: Performance of Kiran More
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:53:09 GMT

Keywords: 

>>I donot know why every time India fails in a test match or odi, the Indian 
nettor's always want Ravi Shastri and Kiran More's head on a chopping block.

I have a question about how many nettor's have ever kept wickets?  I can
tell you it's not easy.  The keeper is probably the most active player on
the field, and I am saying this from experience.  I use to keep until
2 years ago, when my knee bummed out on me.

- Deepak
>>
Deepak, i have not kept wickets. I am also not good at playing cricket - but that does not mean that Kiran More (if he is doing a bad job) will not be castigated. Compared to my 'keeping standards Kiran More is brilliant - but in International cricket lapses are not tolerated for long. If he is not doing a good job it is time for someone else to do it - no excuses.

cotah [who is yet to put More's head on a chopping block]
From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan/NZ Test Aftermath - NZ Coverage (Long)
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:28:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

Conrad -- absolutely fantastic covergage-- thanks a lot.  Please keep it up!

Bharat
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From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Waqar's Hundered Wkts...
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:26:54 GMT


Waqar Younis completed his hundered test wkts when he bowled Haris
in the second inings of the recently concluded test match at
Hamilton, Newzealand. It was Waqar's 20th test match, he now has a tally of
102 wkts, 38 in 4 test against Newzealand.

What is the record of fastest 100 test wkts?
Could anyone post the complete record of Waqar Younis and
Waseem Akram for both test and one day.
--

S.R.Raza.
raza@surya.engrg.uwo.ca

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From: brad@hawk.adied.oz.au (Bradley Edelman)
Subject: Pak wins Test vs NZ!
Organization: Australian Defence Industries
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:37:41 GMT

NZ all out for 93.  Akram 5/45, Younis 5/22.
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Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
From: P.S.Susarla@massey.ac.nz (P.S. Susarla)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:58:11 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: fast bowlers
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Well!

Even when they are bowling at their reduced speed ( as one netter says),
they conceeded many extras especially wasim akram!!

I think the commentators were mentioning that 140K is the maxmum speed
bowled by waqar!!

Cheers

Sarathy

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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: Greatest OD bowler
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:50:47 GMT

In article <tkd=FW_@engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
|> My choices are - ie the first bowler I'd pick for my dream OD team:
|> Joel Garner
|> Wasim Akram

I am going to risk the ire of Pakistani's by stating that Akram is not a
great one day bowler... niether of the two W's are.  They are both
fantastic Test bowlers, and of course very good at ODI's as well, but the
latter is simply because they are good bowlers.  They are waaaaayyy to
attacking and aggressive for ODI's.  Not thatit will not pay off and they
will rattle through the opposition, but a good one day bowler IMHO is
less attacking.  I think Pakistan is above average as a one day side (before
we get started again, being the best side (England) and the champs (Pak)
are two very different things) --- they are a very good test side; without
much doubt the best bowling attack, and if only their batting could get
back on track they could dominate the world scene for a few years...

I think Joel Garner was the best one day bowler we have ever seen -- 
impossible to score off, and if you tried you got out...

Note that I am not saying that Joel was a better bowlers than either of
the two W's; just that he was a better one day bowler....

Of course, I would pick Akram because of the extra runs he gets me with 
his bat (did Garner ever score 100 at any form of cricket?); but you
asked about the best BOWLER for a dream ODI team... 

Bharat
|> Tough decision between the two - though with each passing day, Akram seems to 
|> be getting even better. Probably, let's leave it at this - they were the best
|> in their respective eras.

However, Akram is getting better -- bowling off a shorter run-up and slower,
especially in his second spell...  I don;t even know if he is the best ODI
bowler around (he is the best Test bowler around with his fellow opening
bowler being the closest competition), but would be hard pressed to name 
some one else, so take THAT with a pinch of salt...

|> Sudhama

Bharat
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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: English Openers: Can Atherton Make It?
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:00:00 GMT

	This time last year Michael Atherton was recovering from back 
surgery and his glittering career had reached its first crisis point.
But today Atherton is flying to India with his  England place certain
again, his  position as  Graham Gooch's opening partner  restored and
with  only the vice-captaincy  missing from his  original duties.  He
said: "I enjoy batting with  Goochie and when you open day in and day
out for your  county I think  it is easier  mentally to stay  in that 
position for England. "I'm happy batting anywhere, of course, but for
me the best thing of all is remembering last  winter when I was still
flat  out on my back.  "Now it's India and I'm very much looking for-
ward  to playing  there for the first time."  The 24-year-old  former
Cambridge  University captain  began last  season  intent  merely  on
resuming his county career with  Lancashire - a winter tour place the
height of his immediate ambitions.  But by mid-summer  he was back in
an England side  desperately  needing calm  assurance  in the face of
Pakistan's Wasim Akram, Waqar  Younis and  Mushtaq Ahmed.  His  first
comeback innings in the third Test at  Old Trafford lasted just three
balls but he then made 76 at Headingley and 60 at The Oval.  Only one
matter  remained  unresolved; should  he resume his  prolific opening
partnership  with Gooch or  bat at three?  Alec  Stewart,  Atherton's
replacement at the head of the order last winter, continued to make a
success of the opening job at the start of the  Pakistan series.  But
then  Stewart  was suddenly  required  to take on  the wicket-keeping
duties leaving Atherton to open again.  He obliged in the fourth Test
at Headingley, putting on 168 with Gooch to set up an England victory.
This winter, with Stewart again  the first-choice 'keeper and told to
bat in the  middle-order, Atherton is  back long-term where many feel
he belongs.  An accumulative rather than assertive  batsman, Atherton
is ideally suited to  opening and  significantly  he did the  job for
Lancashire throughout last season.  Many still see him as an eventual
England captain, although Stewart will lead the side in the Sri Lanka
Test in March when Gooch returns home two weeks early to prepare him-
self physically for this summer's campaign to win back the Ashes from
Australia.  Certainly, Atherton has a  golden opportunity this winter
to further re-establish himself as an England opener- while Stewart's
long-term  leadership chances  could  depend  largely on how  great a
success he is as first-choice keeper.


Thanks:  Mark Baldwin, Press Association Cricket Reporter

=====

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 06
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Subject: NZ v Pak D3 Stumps
From: awil2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Andrew James        Willmott       )
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:02:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

Once again the balance of this match swings, although the advantage is
probably just with NZ. Wasim Akram in a fiery spell took 3 quick wickets
during NZs second innings to leave them 39/3 at stumps. He repeatedly
bounced Greatbatch and Hartland, with Greatbatch getting out caught in the
gully to a nasty lifter, and Hartland taking several more blows on the body.
Being a Canterbury lad, he probably figures it's easier to tough it out than
bother with all that ducking rubbish.:-) He eventually became so rattled
he played around a full toss from Akram, and was bowled. The night watchman
Danny Morrison lasted a few balls before Akram produced his famous FIY
(fast inswinging yorker) to have him LBW. Paraore and Jones then saw NZ
through to stumps, with Jones looking a lot more assured than he has
previously against this attack.

Strangely, Waqar didn't bowl until the last few overs of the day; Aquib shared
the new ball with Akram, in spite of only having bowled 7 overs in the
first innings. No doubt Javed knows what he's doing! :)

Anyway, tomorrow will decide the match; New Zealand have 88 runs to get,
Pakistan 7 wickets.

Andrew

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From: asif@mecad.uta.edu (Asif Mohammed)
Subject: Lara's Score
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:40:06 GMT

Hi,
   Can someone post Lara's score in the drawn WI/AUST test match.
Also throw some light on Gavsker's and Border's Test averages.
                                                         Thanx 
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From: cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (S. Parthasarhathy)
Subject: PAk-AUS @ MCG, Jan 12, PAK 5-146, after 45 overs
Organization: Dept. of Chem. Engg., Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:33:21 GMT

PAK - after 45 overs
Aamir Shoahil        c Healy b McDermott    3
Sayeed Shahid (sp?)  b Dodemaide            3
Rameez Raja          c Healy b  S. Waugh   40
Salim Malik          b McDermott           37
Javed Miandad        c Border b M. Waugh   40
Inzamam ul Huq n.o                         17
Wasim Akram    n.o                          3
Sundry                                      1
                                    5 for 146
Runs Needed: 67 runs off 30 balls
-- 

Parthasarathy
Chemical Engg
Monash Uni
From: bill@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: NZ v Pak: Pakistan win by 33 runs
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:04:50 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan5.104605.23089@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, awil2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Andrew James        Willmott       ) writes:
> In <1993Jan5.060456.19037@cc.uow.edu.au> g9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan) writes:
> 
> 
>>thanks for the great coverage.
> 
>>wondering if u could post the speed check on other bowlers eg wasim, danny
>>etc
> 
>>and thanks to uday as well ( hope he reads this)
> 
>>							tipu
> 
> From what I recall Wasim and Danny had similar speeds, both ranging from 120 -
> 130 kph. Waqar tended to be about 5 kph faster than these two, generally
> about 130-135 kph; the 139 kph ball was the only one over 135 that I can recall.
> All the other seam bowlers were averaging around 120, although I can't
> remember any figures for Owens; he's supposed to be pretty quick.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrew
> 
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That wasn't my impression of the difference in speeds between the NZ and
Pakistani bowlers. Danny, Murphy and Michael Owens when they were fresh
could get one or two up to 130kph. Both Wasim and Waqar regularly bowled balls
> 130km, even when they weren't fresh, with Waqar being 0-5k faster than Wasim.
I've been informed by someone who actually sat next to the third umpire that
after the NZ bowlers had been bowling a bit, their average dropped down to about
115kph, wheras Waqar and Wasim would still fire them down around 130kph regularly.
So the average difference in speeds was more like 15kph.

Bill Teahan
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks."
-- Daniel Boone
From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: AZZA RETAINED
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:34:35 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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The decision to retain Azhar for three games is a stupid move that
could cause some serious problems.
	* Azhar  is now under more pressure to perform and we know that he has
	  not done well under pressure
	* They should have either axed Azhar or kept him for the whole tour.
	  If they decide to drop Azhar after the third game then the new capt
	  would have a hard time building a cohesive team halfway through
	   the series.  That would be an easier task before the series began.
	* Azhar would find it rather awkward to play and give a 100% after
	  being dropped in the middle of the series.
	* If somebody else in the team is jockying for a shot at the captaincy
	  then it would be easier for him to undermine Azhar knowing that it 
	  will hirt Azhar's chances and improves his chances of wearing the
	  captain's badge.
	* This decision would also give Gavaskar more amunition to take pot 
	  shots.  Gavaskar was a great batsman (one of the best) but he is
	  a pompous ass off the field as is evident in his constant meddling
	  and sniping.. He is a lousy columnist.


- Vasee

 
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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Gooch Cocktail Party........
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:33:43 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan8.163133.3579@sbcs.sunysb.edu> kthiruma@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Kumara Thirumalai) writes:

>on the topic of gavaskar's opening partners
>i think that sidhu opened the innings too once or twice
>against the westindies when gava made 236 in Madras.

	Naah, in that inning Sunny played 2-down.

Ciao,
Bhaskar
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From: vijay@bvcd.ncsu.edu (Vijay Srinivasan)
Subject: Pak vs Windies (repost)
Organization: NC State Univ., Computer Science
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:53:53 GMT


Pakistan: 71 all out (Bishop 5/25, Benjamin 3/?, Ambrose 2/?, Hooper 0/14)
	  Anwar 2, Inzamam 0, Javed 0, Malik 8, Akram 19, Latif 22*,
	  Mushtaq 2, Waqar 0, Aaquib 4

West Indies: 72/1
	     Lara 9, Haynes 22*, Richardson 25*

Match summary
-------------
Pakistan started the match disastrously with the first five batsmen
back in the pavilion with the score on 12.  Brian Lara had two fine
catches at first slip.  Inzamam was out for a duck to a foolish stroke,
trying to lift a ball to leg from outside the off stump, popping up
an easy catch to point.  Javed was then out caught behind off the
finest of snicks for a duck.  Mujtaba played on a ball from his
outside his off stump.  Akram and Malik then had a brief partnership
(19 runs) till Malik played all over a ball that was on his off stump.
He seemed to be completely undecided on what to do with that ball.
Rashid Latif then joined Akram at the crease, and played confidently
against the West Indian pace bowlers.  Akram skied one to behind square leg
that was dropped by the running wicket keeper Junior Murray who
collided with Phil Simmons running in from fine leg. But the mistake
did not prove costly since Akram shortly mishit one to Simmons at
deep square leg fence.  Waqar was out quickly, edging one to slip for
Lara's third catch.  Mushtaq was all at sea, popping a ball bowled
right at him to the man in the covers. Latif all the time looked
good, but did not get enough of the strike to push the score along.
He smashed Hooper for two successive fours, which was one of the
few highlights in the Pakistani innings.
Aaquib was the last to go, hitting a full toss straight to the man
at mid-off.

The West Indies bowling was straight and fast, no great swing, nothing
spectacular.  The Pakistanis were out to poor shots and displayed bad judgement,
Inzamam and Akram in particular.  The West Indians fielded very well,
holding the catches (Lara in particular).

The West Indian innings was brief, Wasim and Waqar unable to replicate
the form they had displayed in New Zealand.  Lara was dropped by
Rashid Latif off Akram with the score on 24.  The catch was going
straight to the man at first slip, but Latif dived in front of him to
botch the chance.  Haynes looked solid as ever, content to push and
prod, smashing the occasional loose ball for four.  Lara was out
caught by Waqar at third man, slashing at a ball from Wasim.  Richardson
came in and put the match beyond doubt, looking at home right from
the start.  He hit Aaquib for a couple of fours, and ended the innings
with a six over long off from Mushtaq.


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