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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Barkeley is an Asshole.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:12:13 GMT

kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.181729.57585@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>   What is Charles Barkeley's problem? Is he a huge asshole, or
>>just the most pathetic buffoon of all time.
>    Nike seems to think this dork is HOT-Shit.           

Well, this is what you get in the free enterprise system. If Nike does indeed
think he is HOT-shit, the market has dictated this conclusion, more than
likely.

I hope the same people who oppose government programs to help the disadvantaged
saying the 'market will take care of things' do not include people like yourselves
who are 'offended' by Barkley. After all, this is hardly a life-or-death
issue, neither is he the first public personality to offend someone.

By the way, why is this on soc.culture.african.american, and not in
rec.sport.basketball.pro where the same topic is being discussed?

Puzzled,

Serdar 
-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:17:10 GMT

china@cqs.washington.edu (Peter Westhagen) writes:


> 	Who has the better Civil rights record...

> 	Wiliam Carter Franklin.....
> 	...or.......... SILLY BIGOT SISTAH? 


I mow people's yards for free. I landscaped low income minority yards
for free just last year. I never advocated violence toward another
race of people and will not. My family provided transportation for
the many disgruntled minority students in the neighborhoods that
did not want to ride the bus or even go to school. 


What has Lisa done? And what are you doing to help those disgruntled
youngsters and families that are struggling? (You can start by voting
for Clinton).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: ESSENTIALS OF LEADERSHIP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jul 1992 09:06 EDT  



THREE ESSENTIALS OF LEADERSHIP



There are three essentials to leadership:  humanity, clarity, and courage.

Humanely practicing the virtues of the Way promotes the influence of the
teachings, pacifies those in both high and low positions, and delights those
who pass by.

Someone with clarity follows proper behavior and just duty, recognizes what is
safe and what is dangerous, examines people to see whether they are wise or
foolish, and distinguishes right or wrong.

The courageous see things through to their conclusion, settling them without
doubt.  They get rid of whatever is wrong or false.

Humanity without clarity  is like having a field without plowing it.  Clarity
without courage is like having sprouts but not weeding.  Courage without
humanity is like knowing how to reap not how to sow.

When all three are present the community thrives.  When one is lacking, the
community deteriorates.  When two are lacking, the community is in peril, and
when there is not one of these, the way of leadership is in ruins.

                                                            ---by Fushan Yuan
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Jacksons' New Biographical Movie
Date: 29 Jul 1992 20:29:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul29.180837.15840@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu
(Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>You shouldn't be surprised by that. Any person who decides to bleach his
>skin in order to look "white" no longer deserves to be a member of the
>Black Race. That individual is gone for good. We have more pressing
>problems to deal with than to worry about chaff and garbage like MJ.

In determining racial membership, you need to keep in mind that it is
entirely culturally based and has no foundation whatsoever in physical
anthropology or human biology.  As a simple exercise to demonstrate this
to yourself, make a list of physical characteristics that you think define
a black person, e.g. dark skin, kinky hair, full lips, wide nose, etc.  Now
look at someone who you think might be black and see if they meet this
criteria.  If they don't, because say their nose is too narrow or their hair
too straight, then either adjust your definition accordingly or conclude
they are not black.  After repeating these steps enough times you'll see
that you've both eliminated a great number of people who are commonly
thought of as black and at the same time come up with a definition so vague
and inclusive as to be scientifically meaningless.
From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Subject: Re: New generation of Conservatism-Welfare Myths
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:27:40 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>.
>.
>If you guys ever check out Spy Magazine, they have an interesting
>issue on the 1000 reasons NOT to vote for George Bush.  Among them,
>Bush takes a medication which has been known to cause
>hallucinations.  I think it's the medication that made a woman hear
>little people's voices that told her to kill her mother...and I
>think the jury got her off, too.
>.
>It's the July/August issue, if anyone is interested in a real, good,
>truthful laugh..

The drug is Halcion.  It is one of the more commom sleeping pills.

.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:49:35 GMT

lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

>I'll bet you it does.  Most Senegalese live in rural areas as farmers.
>Unemployment is really only an issue in urbanized, industrialized
>countries.  Plus, in Sengal, a black person is much less likely to end
>up in jail or under arrest than in the united states, and need not
>feel like an ostracized second class citizen.


Next time before I ask a rhetorical question I will establish better
criteria for the responses to use as guidelines.
Senegal did not do that on its own. It would be just another Ethiopia
if AMERICA had not sent so much foreign aid over there (see 1978 and
1986 indexes). So I propose that we say Senegal = American colony that
happens to be over in the famine ridden African (in)continent.


>Comparable to what?  You asked where it was better to live as a black
>person.  All the black American expatriates I met in Scandanavia told
>me that they stayed there precisely because it was less oppressive
>than in the U.S.  Absolute numbers are not the issue.


So while you were in Denmark you met all three of its Black people?

:)
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Olympic Gymnists
Date: 29 Jul 1992 16:45:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

From the San Francisco Chronicle, July 29, 1992:

[Betty] Okino and [Dominique] Dawes captivated the crowd all evening, and
they made a little history, too.  For the first time, there were two
Afro-Americans on a United States gymnastics team.  Okino was asked about
it later, and she gave a very seasoned response:  "When I came here, I
came to compete for a country, not a race, black or white.  I consider
myself an American, not a color."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:8367 sci.lang:6161 rec.sport.basketball.pro:15084
From: scotty@netcom.com (J Scott Peter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,sci.lang,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson and Arthur Ashe
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:35:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Could someone please post a summary of the grammatical and phonological
rules of `Black English'.  With all the talk here about how internally
consistent it is, and whether it's a dialect, and so on, it would be nice
to know just what it is.
-- 
J Scott Peter XXXIII  // "Instantiating new solutions in the emerging arena
scotty@netcom.com    // of transcending the de-facto horizons of industry-
Las Anjealous       // standard open paradigms."
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:07:21 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul30.204935.17832@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

>lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

>Senegal did not do that on its own. It would be just another Ethiopia
>if AMERICA had not sent so much foreign aid over there (see 1978 and
>1986 indexes). So I propose that we say Senegal = American colony that
>happens to be over in the famine ridden African (in)continent.

William you ignorant slut.  Ethiopia is the way it is 1) because of a
long term draught, 2) because of a long term civil war.  Senegal has
neither of these problems.  It is one of the most stable countries in
Africa.  What makes you assume that a black African country needs the
U.S. in order to accomplish anything.

BTW, why don't you tell us what the figures are for Sengal, per
capita, if you can.  I doubt they will amount to more than a few
hundred dollars per person, at most.  Hardly enough to explain the
difference between Ethiopia and Senegal.


>>Comparable to what?  You asked where it was better to live as a black
>>person.  All the black American expatriates I met in Scandanavia told
>>me that they stayed there precisely because it was less oppressive
>>than in the U.S.  Absolute numbers are not the issue.


>So while you were in Denmark you met all three of its Black people?


Hey William, how old are you.  Five?

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: New generation of Conservatism-Welfare Myths
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:55:05 GMT

In article <clg1.712206677@Ra.MsState.Edu> clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chris "deephouse" Gray) writes:
>Hmm..ok..then let's have random drug testings of Bankers, Nuclear Physicists,
>Presidents, cabinet members, Congress, Secret Services, etc.
>
>Neil Bush, etc.             

	Here!  Here!

	No one should be exempt from drug testing.

-- 

                Mai, y'all hab'en lisd'nen ta d'voice ah

                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.african
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Ethnicity
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:52:19 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

| In <1992Jul24.211025.9135@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
| >In reference to ethnicities without territory, note that in
| >the Soviet Union "Jew" was an ethnic, not a religious category,
| >in fact an officially recognized ethnicity like "Russian" or
| >"Georgian."  However, the Jews did not have a territory,
| >unlike the other official ethnic groups.  There may have
| >been other ethnic groups in the same situation, but I am not
| >aware of them.

lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
| Actually Stalin DID create a "homeland" for the Jews of the Soviet
| Union.  It was an "autonomous region" located in the far east, near
| the border with China, and a few thousand Jews from European Russia
| actually settled there.

I saw an article about this years ago.  I don't think it was
a very serious project; there were and are many millions of
Jews in the Soviet Union, who could hardly fit in an small
area northwest of Mongolia, much less prosper there.  Stalin
had a peculiar sense of humor, and the project may have been
an example of it.
-- 
Gordon Fitch | gcf@panix.com | uunet!cmcl2!panix!gcf 
*       1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., N.Y., N.Y. 10274      *
From: clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chris "deephouse" Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:52:36 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

china@cqs.washington.edu (Peter Westhagen) writes:


> 	Who has the better Civil rights record...

> 	Wiliam Carter Franklin.....
> 	...or.......... SILLY BIGOT SISTAH? 

>--
>O))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~O))
>    Peter Nicholas Westhagen          china@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu
>O))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~O))

It's certainly not Franky boy.

--
BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS
Mr. Christopher L. Gray   * Blak Kings and Queens 
clg1@ra.MsState.edu       *     Come Forth! 
BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 27 Jul 1992 19:27:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <stovall.712263119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
(Steven Stovall) writes:
>I'm no fan of Hammer's, but this could make sense if they had good
>community-based policing (which I think was one of Huey P's goals
>many years ago). But in any case, this sort of thing isn't surprising
>since Hammer is the prototypical American capitalist just like J.B.,
>who supported Ronald Reagan at the same time his life was unravelling
>from the long-term effects of P-Funk.

FWIW, I read that the Oakland Police Academy has a reputation as being
among the best in the state for the professionalism of its training.
And they have started bike cop beat patrols.

When driving around the East Bay, I always feel more comfortable near
an Oakland cop car than near a Berkeley.  And forget about all white
Piedmont.
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:01:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul29.203414.1738@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

>>Man, are you a know-nothing, or what?

>>Denmark, Senegal.

>>There's two.

>This is the kind of follow up I have been waiting for. This guy
>at least is giving his posts some thought, and only called me
>very minimal and polite names...
>WOW. I bet Senegal has a better employment rate for Black people.

I'll bet you it does.  Most Senegalese live in rural areas as farmers.
Unemployment is really only an issue in urbanized, industrialized
countries.  Plus, in Sengal, a black person is much less likely to end
up in jail or under arrest than in the united states, and need not
feel like an ostracized second class citizen.


>And I bet Denmark has a comparable AMOUNT of Blacks living therein?

Comparable to what?  You asked where it was better to live as a black
person.  All the black American expatriates I met in Scandanavia told
me that they stayed there precisely because it was less oppressive
than in the U.S.  Absolute numbers are not the issue.



-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown)
Subject: Re: "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:13:39 GMT
Summary: rich folks usually walk

In article <1992Jul19.183840.3884@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
> I remember hearing a Bob Dylan song, which describes the murder of an
> elderly woman by a young rich punk, who was punished with only a six
> month jail term. The subject line is the song's  name, as far as I can
> recall.
> 
> Is the story dramatized in the song true?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Danny Keren.
> 

Ms Carrol was an AfAM domestic.  She was verbally abused by a
reportedly intoxicated Mr. Zantzinger at a social function
where she was serving.  If memory serves, he struck Ms Carroll
with a small, cheap carnival-prize cane when she did not meet
his service requirements.  Later that evening, Ms Carrol had
a stroke and subsequently died.  There was an effort to try
him for murder but that didn't hold up for some reason (Mr Z
's familyy was rich and white - Ms Carrol's were not)

In truth his actions were not felonious even though we might
be able to connect her death to his behavior.  Civil damages
would probably be the likely route for the "wrongful death"
situtation.  Perhaps a lawyer could add here.

Justice was not served in that mess.

Bobby - akgua!rjb
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's support by Blacks... low.
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:49:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul22.034124.11977@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>In article <1992Jul14.180914.10361@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>In article <92196.045717FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>,
>>FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Comments?  Yeah.  I find it very tough to decide who to vote for or
>>whether to  vote at all.  I'm not voting for Pres.  Bush for sure.
>>And I'm not too hot on Bill Clinton either.  That leaves Ross Perot
>>which also not to thrilled about.
>>.
>>.
>>What have black folks always have had to choose: the lesser of two
>>evils. When all else fails, write in your vote if you can.
>
>You have a choice.  Check out Ron Daniels campaign.
>
>ChrisWa.

	My question is this : Can Ron Daniels win? I know it seems a
bit mercenary, but I can't see wasting my vote on a candidate that
isn't likely to win.  When I'm not 100% satisfied with political
candidates (BTW I am completely satisfied with Clinton) then I choose
the lesser of two evils and cast my vote.
	I've often thought, as a member of antoher minority, that a
little political planning among minority groups would be a good thing.
In races where one or both candidates are likely to depend on minority
votes (the Democrats are depending on combined voting by women and
minorities, for example), that the concept of "creating political
debts" would be a good idea. A minority group of voters my not
comprise enough votes to insure a win for a candidate, but it may
carry enough votes to help put a candidate over the top when combined
with other votes. Thus a candidate who gets elected will realize
he/she ows his/her election, at least in part, to minority
communitites, and will likely pay more attention to the issues of
those communities if he/she wants to be reelected.
	So, I'm more interested in creating political debts than in
voting for the perfect candidate whom I know is going to loose whether
I vote for him or not.

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:34:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Jul26.173444.19928
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul26.164120.29603@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
$In article <1992Jul26.065040.23059@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:
$>In article <1992Jul24.201641.15147@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
$>>In article <1992Jul21.163342.3870@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu
$>>(william carter franklin) writes:
$>>
$>>>And by the way, YOU are the name caller ..."blatent moron" I believe 
$>>>is what you said.  How ugly.  And just because someone does not agree 
$>>>with your backwards, narrow minded BIGOTED viewpoints.  By the way..  
$>>>BLATANT is spelled B_L_A_T_A_N_T with another A.  Get an education.  
$>>>THEN we will talk. 
$>>
$>>For those of you keepng score, Mr. Franklin is the 16th white liberal,
$>>Asian, or otherwise disaffected American on s.c.a.a. in 1992 to pee his
$>>pants over someone's spelling.
$>>
$>>Apparently patriotism is the *second-to-last* refuge of a scoundrel.
$>
$>I'm rollin'.......................
$>
$>Yeeeaaah, boyyeeee! I'm out, Mc
$>
$
$And also don't forget to count number of half size brains who cannot
$finish a post without choice f and motherf words and those who go
$along.

Oh yeah, I just love CHOICE Fs and MOTHERFs who chime in three weeks after
the thread is over.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
"Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black like a bat
out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:13:31 GMT

dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.191536.19732@morrow.stanford.edu>
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>>If it wasn't the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, then there were certain
>>loose cannons from the Nation of Islam, aided and abetted by
>>Hoover-types, who probably did the job. 

>This is close to what I've come to believe. I think the "Hoover-types"
>took advantage of the rift between Malcolm X and the NOI to get some
>hired guns to do their dirty work -- Elijah Muhammad and other high
>ranking ministers (such as Farrakhan) probably knew some NOI members
>had been approached to kill Malcolm, and they just turned a blind eye. 
>I know a Black man who was actually employed by the CIA at the time. 
>He was there when Malcolm X was assassinated (he claims he didn't know 
>it was going to happen -- he was just told to be there so that he could 
>report on it later). According to him the Audubon audience was "crawling" 
>with members of the FBI, CIA, and USIA. It was then that he realized 
>something big was going down.

There is an interesting point made in "The Assasination of Malcolm X"
by Breitman. In going over NY newspaper accounts of the assasination,
there were *two* suspects rescued from the crowd outside the Auduban
Auditorium immediately following the shooting. For example, the sub-
head over Jimmy Breslin's lead article reads "Police Rescue Two Suspects."
However, in later editions the second suspect vanishes: "Police Rescue
One Suspect." The one suspect that remained was Talmadge Hayer, who was
convicted, but was identified as a member of the Nation of Islam by
what in retrospect seems like weak evidence (something like the
testimony of one informant). According to Breitman, the "second" suspect
vanished from history. This all would make more sense if there was
Spooksville involvement (the "second" suspect was an operative working
with Hayer, but Hayer was designated to take the fall).

Unfortunately, this particular book is old and doesnt have anything
on what Betty Shabazz, Warith Deen Muhammed, and Louis Farrakhan
have said over the years.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307