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From: chuck@mks.com (Chuck Lownie)
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.133132.9916@jts.com> geoff@jts.com (Geoff Vona) writes:
>Argh!  Gotta get this peeve offa my chest.....
>
>What happened to the nice Blue Jay fans of yesteryear?  I remember the
>early pennant drives of `84 and `85, and the predominant attitude amongst
>Jays fans was "gee, we really do have a good team! Maybe we're good enuf?"
>Now, the attitude seems to be "Our team kicks ass, yours sucks, don't talk
>to me just eat my dust!".
>
>When I was younger, I honestly thought that Toronto fans were different. Now
>I see that obnoxious fans are a result of a string of success.  I find
>myself wishing that the Jays were bad again so that I didn't have to listen
>to 1,000 bar conversations about the relative merits of Dave Winfield and
>Jack Morris.
>
>Jay fans seem to do more grandstanding on the net too.  How embarassing.
>
>Sure the Jays are good.  So are the Red Sox.  So are the Orioles. So are the
>Tigers (to a certain extent).  Just let them play!
>
>(BTW, best comment I've seen about the AL East: "The Jays will have to improve
>to win."  Boston IS a threat, folks.  Nobody will win this division by more than
>5 games, nothing will be decided until late September.)
>
>-------
>Geoff Vona			"Baseball: best cure for a hockey strike yet!"
>JTS Computer Systems


I agree with you totally Geoff.  I consider myself a huge Jays fan but I
am getting sick of everyone saying how the Jays are "unbeatable."  It's
one thing to be confident that your team will win, it's another to be
totally abnoxious and cocky about it.  Just remember that it's probably
the exception rather than the rule that Jays fans are cocky and
abnoxious.

One scary thought is that a lot of Jays fans are starting to sound like
Montreal Canadiens' fans.

-- 


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    /||/// //|' `\\\     Mortice Kern Systems Inc.     (519) 884-2251
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From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
Subject: Re: Fred McGriff
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:34:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.013607.9861@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.233136.20144@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
>
>>	Yeah, not only can I think of a person with a better swing, I can
>>think of two, two first baseman, both national leaguers: Will Clark and
>>Mark Grace.
>
>If Grace has a better swing than McGriff, why doesn't he produce offensively?
>
>Oh, do you mean that you meant "artistic merit"?  Sorry about that.
>
	Come now, I wasn't refering to offensive numbers when I was
comparing Grace's swing to McGriff's. They are two different hitters
who get paid to do different things. For what Mark gets paid to do
he does it very well -- and in case you're confused, Mark gets paid to
get on base and move runners along and to drive them in when they are
in scoring position. He is not paid to hit home runs and get 100+ RBIs 
(for one he can't really because he is not a power hitter and that job
is reserved for Dawson, Sandberg (and Bell last year). Even though his
numbers were a bit down last year, he did hit well when he was supposed
to. This year, with him batting primarily 3rd or 5th, you will probably
see him drive in 90+ rbi's.  
	I don't want to take away anything from McGriff though -- he has
had some start this year.

-tms  


-- 
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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Galaraga - Gone (5-6wks)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:59:26 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <53810@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.024808.4905@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:
>>SportsLine:
>>Andres Galaraga out for five to six weeks with a broken bone in the
>>Right hand.
>>Yesterday Oquendo goes down for 5 to 6 weeks for a partially separated
>>right shoulder.  4 weeks of it is time before throwing.
>
>Time to play GM, Felix Jose went on the 15 day DL yesterday, and of course
>Geronimo Pena is out a few months with the broken collarbone. I guess Tim
>Jones and Alicea get 2b by default, but what about 1b, LF and Rf? Perry
>replaced Andres last night, but I'm not too high on him. I'd move Pedro
>back to 1b, keep Thompson in Lf and call up Brian Jordan and give him LF
>for short run so you can get a close look at him against major league 
>pitching. jordan is very mad at St. Louis for not paying him major league
>money, and is talking about quitting baseball if he stays with the Card
>organization(I'm sure he's just getting leverage). Why not give him a crack
>for a short time? HE can't be much worse than Gilkey or Hudler, and if he's
>really the prospect they keep telling us, he might just play well enough to
>convince himself the future in baseball is better than in football.

The way I read it in the paper this AM, Pedro at 1B, Jordan in LF, and
Osborn joins the pitching staff.   At this point Tim Jones is a much
better hitter than Alicea off the bench.  With the 1990 season, the same
could be said of Thompson vs. Jordan (although I know nothing of
Jordan).  Thompson probably is more veratile at any of the OF positions
especially at Busch.  

I saw the list of pay checks for Cardinal players, and some of the
starters don't even make $500,000.00, some are lucky at this point if
they make $250,000.00 and Jordan is now in the majors only because of
injuries,  Paddle his ass and send the baby home.

>
>2 games in and we already lost 3 starters and 2 of our so called "power
>hitters"!
>

Let's lose our players now IF we must while the race is close;  By
September we could be in the thick of a pennant race and other teams
start losing theirs.   :-))   It would just break my heart.  NOT!

>
>
>Russ Smith
>*******************************************************************************
>"If this were at all legible, you would see what I'm talking about"
>
>                            Chevy Chase in Fletch 
>******************************************************************************

Dan ,   Cardinal Red 'til I'm dead.
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.201621.8067@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>Wrong.  I would take Eck today over Fingers.  He is a much better pitcher
>>today than Fingers is today.  He's a lot YOUNGER, of course! :)
> 
>>
>>Ken
> 
> But have you SEEN Rollie recently???
> He's got that handlebar moustache ready for a comeback!
> Well, only for the Old Timers (I mean Upper Deck Heroes of Baseball) game.
> 
> Mark Blickhan

Yea, I also saw Al "Mad Hungarian" Hrabosky.  He looks like an insurance
salesman now!  :)

Ken
From: mdc3@pyuxd.uucp (25111-connelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Really bad, lame-o regulars on WS winners
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:38:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ

In article <20bH3nnq6@cs.psu.edu> dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough) writes:
>
>    Granted I was only four at the time, but if memory serves I seem to
>  remember that Oyler was replaced in the series by either Jim (or John?)
>  Northrup or Mickey Stanley.  It was a big time risky move putting an 
>  outfielder in at shortstop but they wanted the extra bat.  So, am I on 
>  drugs for remembering things this way or not?

No sir, you are not!  My trusty Tiger Stadium trivia cup here (I got it
at a game last year) has this text next to an arrow pointing to the
shortstop position:

"Where Mayo Smith inserts OF Mickey Stanley at SS in `68 World Series."

'Course I wouldn't have been able to answer your question based on first
hand knowledge -- I was three in `68, and have vague memories of my
dad getting our family's first color TV just in time for the Series.

>David Hartsough

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From: dave@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (david s. darr)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Club
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:58:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.002351.22392@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:
>
>
>
>  If  YOU want to be on this list, submit yourself to the Cardinal Fan
>Caravan.
>
>No Charge, No Deposit, No Return.
>


hey -- count me in as a Redbird fan -- always have been (first major
league game I saw was the Cards in 1966), always will be.

 			-Dave  (darr@ncar.ucar.edu) -- Boulder, Colorado
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:33:58 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
{stuff deleted}
>	Um, if Eckersley started off as a relief pitcher he may very well
>not be in baseball today! He SUCKED (with a capital S) as a starting
>pitcher for most of those years. If he pitched anything like that as a 
>reliever, he would soon be a middle reliever. And how many shitty middle-
>relievers stick around in baseball after 10+  years? 


2 years IN FENWAY of 2.99 era's.  in all his years as a 
starter, he had *2* years that "sucke" - i don't consider a 4.27
 era in fenway as sucking by any means.    other than those
 2 years that he sucked, and 2 years that he had a 4.27 era,
 he *never* had an era above 3.73.  in fenway.

>	Eck had the advantage of a second chance -- something many players
>don't get. Give Rollie a break, he was great, is great and ever shall be
>great.


lesson #1 in baseball history.  rollie fingers STARTED his career as
 a starter.  after doing POORLY as a starter, he got a "second chance"
 (something many players don't get), dick williams (i think) moved
 him to the bullpen.  

- bob gaj
From: Rainer_Hauer@mindlink.bc.ca (Rainer Hauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: ????? Mookie Wilson
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:53:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Does anyone know what happened to Mookie Wilson " X Jay "? Did he go back to
the Mets? I think  he had a life time contract with them.
--
Rainer_Hauer@mindlink.b.c.ca

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: More on errors and hits
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:51:11 GMT

This bit of research thanks to my husband David.

Effect of first event in inning; 84-91, both leagues

Inn. starts      Prob. >= 1      Avg. number 
with a              run           of runs
-----------------------------------------------------------
single		   0.428	  0.855
walk               0.432          0.865
error              0.441          0.867
out                0.156          0.255
other              0.742          1.215


This was done in part to explore the notion that giving up an error was
worse than giving up a hit because of the psychological effect on the
pitcher.  Another motivating factor was the usual sportscaster's lament about
how awful it is to give up a leadoff walk (as if you'd rather do *anything*
than give up a leadoff walk).   

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com

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From: msteeves@cs.ulowell.edu (darkelf)
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team  :)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:02:49 GMT

3B	Wade Boggs		Delta Force, Margo
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From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Subject: Re: Oakland A's Trade Canseco!  Giants trade Williams!
Keywords: Canseco Lee Griffin Cangelosi Acker Cerutti Huckabay
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:51:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.141209.17868@sni.ca> dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till) writes:
>PHOENIX, ARIZONA (UPI) -- In a surprise move which shocked the baseball
>world, the Oakland Athletics today traded star outfielder Jose Canseco
>to the Toronto Blue Jays for shortstops Manuel Lee and Alfredo Griffin.
>--Dave Till, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, Sietec Open Systems Division,

  The A's turned around and traded Alfredo Griffin
  and Marc McGuire to the Giants for Matt Williams and first
   basemen Will Clark.    Giants' Manager Roger Craig 
   was ecstatic with the move, which puts the club into
  contention.   Munching on a burger
  after blowing out the Dodgers on Opening Day, Craig said "Griffin
  can play 3rd and lead off, and McGuire restores the power we lost
   from Mitchell."
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Kevin Young-Pirate 3B of the Future?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:21:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr10.135442.4971@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>Maybe I missed something, but I was under the impression Kevin
>Young was an outfielder.  In any event, in the opening game of
>the American Assoication season last night, Young started at third
>for Buffalo against Oklahoma City and John Wehner played 1B.  

You mean you missed the entire offseason flame-fest, in which some of us
claimed that Kevin Young should be starting at 3B for the Bucs right now,
Steve Buechele should never have been signed, and Jeff King should be used
to stuff mattresses?

And then you missed the posting wondering if we'd invented the guy out of
whole cloth?

You're clearly spending too much quality time with Sarah Elizabeth, and not
enough long hours poring over the net :-).

>Young went 3 for 5, including a double.  His lead-off single 
>in the 6th started a 3-run rally that tied the game at 4 and he
>then singled in the go-ahead run in the 7th.  He doubled in the 
>8th and scored the final Buffalo run in a 9-7 win for the Bisons.

>Tonight is scheduled to be 
>the seven-week-old's first baseball game in person.

Ah, two birds with one stone.  Good idea :-).


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
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From: clmn@quads.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Biased Announcers
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:23:30 GMT

After pitching eight scoreless innings in today's game against the Mariners,
White Sox pitcher Greg Hibbard was relieved by Bobby Thigpen.  The Sox had a
1-0 lead.  I was listening to the game on radio and, when Thigpen's name was
announced, you could hear the park erupt in boos.  Thigpen immediately gave
up a single to the leadoff hitter, and the booing was loud and extended.
After getting two outs, Thigpen gave up a hard hit single to Ken Griffey, Jr.
You can imagine how that bit of news was greeted.

Thigpen did get the third out and the White Sox won the game.

But our great play-by-play announcer, John Rooney, never reported this crowd
reaction at all.  Not a word.  The fan mike picked it up, and Rooney babbled
on with the usual cliches.  Heaven forbid that the listeners should ever be
given relevant statistics like blown saves.  (Thigpen's first of the year was
Saturday against the A's.)  This is what really kills me about "homer" announc-
ing.  I expect them and want them to root for the home team, but I also expect
and want them to report the facts to me.  Harry always does this.

If anybody saw the game on Channel 9, could you post Hawkeroo's comments on
this?
-- 
Bill Coleman
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Ryan
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:45:17 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 703211528@camelot, texdude@camelot.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) writes:
>
>As for Ryan showing up Henderson, the one thing I can remember is Henderson
>giving a speech about how he's the greatest, while Nolan quietly tipped his hat
>to the crowd and tried to avoid the hooplah.  If nothing else, Ryan has
>more class than Rickey.
>
>
>Philip Allen                  texdude@camelot.bradley.edu 

Philip,

You have totally missed the point.  Ryan should NOT have thrown a no-hitter
on the day that Rickey passed the SB mark.  Some people are just so rude.  :-)





---
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Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Cardinal Club grows
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:30:07 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network



                     CARDINAL CLUB ROSTER
                         Semi-Official

Member			User Address			State

Dan Carpenter		cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu		IL
Steve Parvin		parvin@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu	IL
Mark Laventhal		msl@hpcvlx.cu.hp.com
Jeff Wayman		wayman@lamar.ColoState.edu	CO
John Petterchak		japg6581@uxa.uiuc.edu		IL
Aaron Packman		aaron@juliet.caltech.edu	CA
Bob Netherton		exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain - TX
Steve Ford      	ccford@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au	Australia
Steve Hubbard 		sfh@po.CWRU.Edu			OH
James Berry Austin	jcj6@ace4.sps.mot.com		TX

Dave Vessell		dave@Bradley.Bradley.edu	IL
Tom Durian		durian3660@iscsvax.uni.edu 	IA
Nat Pearson		Raindrop@Ieland.stanford.edu    CA
David S. Darr		darr@ncar.ucar.edu		CO
Dan Miller		dmiller@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  	IL
Sam Grant		scg52386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu	IL

	

And the wave keeps going, and going, and  going.  (Imagine the wave in
Busch Stadium.)

Until we (?) find a source for Physical bennies (perks),  We have to
settle for a warm fuzzy feeling that we are no longer individuals, but
a group.  

It's better than the warm, wet feeling from pissing on yourself. 



  If  YOU want to be on this list, submit yourself to the Cardinal Fan
Caravan.  :-) .

No Charge, No Deposit, No Return.

Dan
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From: maverik@nighthawk.lerc.nasa.gov (Bill Haller)
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.210955.5426@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>Are Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek the only announcers on TV in the country
>that do such obnoxious things as:
>
>say "Yess!!!" (so professional, aren't they)
>say "He'll grab some bench" about twenty-seven times per game
>say "You can put it on the board" like I control the scoreboard...
>
>Don't just say that they're on an independent station (WGN, SportsChannel
>Chicago).  The ones on WTBS,KPLR, etc. are very professional and unbiased.
>
>We don't need cheerleaders, we want real announcers!
>
>Gary Blickhan
>


I agree totally with Gary about Ken Harrelson!! He makes me want to turn
the sound down.  Tom Pacierok is not nearly as bad.  I know many White Sox
fans will disagree.  I don't think I would mind quite as much if made his 
"grab some bench" comment every time a White Sox player struck out.

      _________________________________________________________
     |                                                         |
     |                    WILLIAM J. HALLER                    |
     |                NASA LEWIS RESEARCH CENTER               |
     |                     CLEVELAND, OHIO                     |
     |              maverik@nighthawk.lerc.nasa.gov            |
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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: The Best in the A.L.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:31:29 GMT

In<1992Apr16.132957.18984@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:


>   I started thinking about the best players in the A.L. and it seems in most
>cases who the best players are, here they are by postition:

>C: Mickey Tettleton

Offensively, yes, but there are better defensive catchers, such as
Rodrigues (Texas)

>1B: Cecil Fielder
OK

>2B: Julio Franco     (could argue Alomar though I guess)

Alomar, because he's less injury prone and is a better fielder

>SS: Cal Ripken       (Manny Lee a close 2nd though 8-))
No argument

>3B: Wade Boggs
>LF: Rickey Henderson
>CF: Ken Griffey Jr.
>RF: Jose Canseco
>DH: Frank Thomas
>SP: Rocket Clemens
>RP: Dennis Eckersley
Bryan Harvey had better stats last year, and is a better pitcher in
my opinion, especially because the Eck is on his way out, while Harvey
is just entering his prime. With a winning team, Harvey could get 60
saves

>  It's strange but almost all of these to me are clear cut and obvious. It also
>seems that this team could kick the hell out of the N.L. best who are MUCH 
>harder to choose, I'll try to pick them but I didn't give these much thought:

>C: Santiago, I guess (maybe Lavalliere- Slaught)
>1B: Will Clark       (hon mention, my 2nd favorite player Fred McGriff!)
>2B: Ryno
>SS: Barry Larkin
>3B: Howard Johnson   (I know he doesn't play there anymore, but it makes this 
>		      team look a lot better if we put him there) 
>LF: Barry Bonds
>CF: Van Slyke        (I guess, maybe Butler)

Are you kidding!?!? Van Slyke is *not* even close to the best CF in
the NL now. Hell, I'd even take Sosa over him, though for now Butler will
suffice. What about Ron Gant? 
>RF: Bonilla, Strawberry or Justice (maybe even Gwynn)
>SP: Rijo, Dennis Martinez
>RP: Dibble I guess
Doug Jones :-)

Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 22:00:53 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The GRAND Unveiling : -)

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 7-Apr-92 The GRAND Unveiling :
-) Scott Barman@asd.com (2244)

> NL Playoffs:	Cincinatti over Pittsburg in 5

Everyone who has picked the Pirates to win the division also picks them
to lose in the NLCS.  Why is that?  Is it a curse?  People must think
the NL East is so weak that the victor will be killed by the West.  I
don't buy that since the '88 twins and '90 Reds won weak division and
beat favored teams in the CS.  People must think the Bucs are chokers in
the CS or something.
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