HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Real Football in Torquay Shock (5-2 Ha!)
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:26:37 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <Bxt0BA.GGw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (** DECKER **) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.094816.4988@jet.uk> djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:
>>Anyone know a worse football side than Torquay United?  Not a great advert
>>for the Football League as, on Saturday in the FA Cup against Yeovil...

>I only caught the end of Match of the Day, and can anyone tell me which team
>was responsible for the hilarious "dying fly" impersonations when they scored
>a goal? I seem to remember that they wore red hooped shirts. It wasn't
>Corinthian, was it?
No, it was Kingstonian (from Kingston-upon-Thames), who drew 1-1 with
Peterborough.  Kinsgtonian are in the Diadora league (next down from the
Conference, and one of the three Conference feeder leagues).

The winners of their replay will be away to Plymouth in the 2nd round.

On a slightly different note, does anyone know why the first and second
round of the FA Cup are split into North and South zones, given that -most-
of the teams (still) in at this point play in National competitions
(Football League / Conference)?
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: humor in England
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:37:41 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.141530.2632@lsl.co.uk>, snail@lsl.co.uk writes...
>In article <BxG2AG.3HE@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:
>> In article <721261643snz@kram.demon.co.uk> mt@kram.demon.co.uk writes:
>>>You forgot the most important question.... why can't you get decent gravy
>>>from any chip-shops in London?
>> 
>> Cos it ain't a London thing. I never heard of putting gravy on chips (or
>> mushy peas) until I came to the Midlands. I've seen everything else
>> thrown on (barbecue sauce, curry sauce, shish kebab) but not gravy or mushy
>> peas. Obviously us sad Londoners are  missing out... 8*)
> 
>And scallops (scollops?), you cna't get these everywhere - some places it's a
>mixture of potato and fish and others just potato, fried in batter.
> 
>And vegetable pakora in your local Indian takeaway. I olve this stuff, but 
>only seem to be able to find in in Scotland, but have met people who had it 
>in England.
>-- 

I have never seen Pakora in an Indian restaurant in England, and I've been
to quite a few including Southall probably the Curry Capital of Britain!
Pakora is, however, available in supermarkets.

Pakora is available in virtually every Indian restaurant/take-away in 
Scotland. Does anyone know why there is this difference?

Craig

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From: jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England
	<11581@scott.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:13:04 GMT

In article <11581@scott.ed.ac.uk> guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:

   Yes, I've wondered about how the years of the next decade will be
   pronounced.  By analogy with "nineteen hundred", "nineteen oh one",
   "nineteen oh two", ... we ought to have "twenty hundred", "twenty oh
   one", "twenty oh two", ... but I've never heard anything but "two
   thousand" (or "the year two thousand"), "two thousand and one", "two
   thousand and two", ... .  By the time it gets to 2020, though, people
   start talking about "twenty twenty", so where's the mysterious point
   where the naming scheme changes?

   Also, we can currently talk about '90, '91, '92, ... for short, and
   refer to the entire decade as "the nineties", but how are we going to
   pronounce '00, '01, '02, and what on earth will we call the decade?
   Even the one after that isn't obvious: "the teens" maybe?  Does anyone
   know what happened at the beginning of this century?


Has any one else noticed that people talk about `the year two
thousand', compared with `nineteen ninety nine'.
--
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From: ssuhook@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Roger Neil Hook)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Was: Re: 29 Feb 2000?, Now: 2000/2001
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:27:39 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:


>   In <721949208snz@muir.demon.co.uk> malcolm@muir.demon.co.uk ("Malcolm S. Muir") writes:

>   > Next argument - I say the first year of the 21st. century is
>   > 2001, not 2000 which is the last year of the 20th. century.

>2000 Anno Domini ought to mean that it's 2000 years since Jesus Christ was
>born.  When he was born, it was no *years* since he was born, therefore his
>first year of life was spent in AD 0, surely?  His second year of life was
>therefore AD 1, and so on - so 2000 AD ought to be the start of the 21st century.
>--
>	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

Wrong. The years went 1BC, 1AD, 2AD etc. There was never a year 0.
So 2001 will be the first year of the 21st century.

Rog.
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: joystick for an acorn electron
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:20:15 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1992Nov13.151446.27854@egh-qc.uucp>, paul@egh-qc.uucp (Paul Hay) writes:
> 
> Has anyone got a joystick which they would like to sell that is 
> compatible with an acorn electron that is about 7 years old.
> Failing that has anyone any information on connecting any currently
> available joysticks to this piece of equipment.
> 
> Paul.

Assumption time: Acorn electron was a subset of the BBC A/B computers, although
it used a horrible video chip/custom chip to do it. I know, I wrote a game for
both these beasts. So I'll assume the joystick for both is the same (my game
didn't need a joystick).

First thing is, the joystick is analogue (potentiometers 'n' that). Not
having my Maplin catalogue at work, I can't say if they still sell joysticks
like that, but they used to. Try the catalogue (various sections:- projects,
wound components, miscellaneous, and a few others, you often find what you're
looking for in the most unobvious sections of this catalogue), it may even
have a connection diagram too. Also, if yuo can get a technical manual on the
BBC or Electron there should be a diagram of how to connect it.

BTW, 'paddles' (for the pong game) are analogue joysticks that have been
nobbled a bit, so you could try laying your hands on a set of paddles instead.
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

You Have To Remember, You Need To Beleive,
The Time Has Past, Dust In The Leaves.
From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: The View from Canary Tower.
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:23:57 GMT


Don't they know that the Isle of Dogs is mostly a "no parking" zone,
so that any vehicle on the roadway is checked?


El Gordo,
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From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:08:35 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <D2150050.j4l066@nan.network-analysis-ltd.co.uk>, sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin) writes:
|> It's probably a (Indian sub-continent) regional speciality and people
|> from the same region tend to settle together. I'd never heard of Baltis*
|> until I moved here, and I don't think you'll find very many Balti houses
|> outside the Midlands. You'll find pakoras in the Leeds/Bradford area.
|> Get them in the Midlands too, but they are quite different from the
|> variety you get in Leeds/Bradford.
|> 

Yeah, we have Balti houses in Nottingham. One weird thing about Nottingham is 
vindaloo curries. Everywhere else in the country, vindaloo is a very hot curry,
but in Nottingham vindaloo is mild-medium hot. The hottest you can get is 
usually a Ceylon or a Jalfrezi (sp? Has lots of fresh chillis in it). 

Anywhere else have this weird behaviour? What's the hottest curry YOU've ever
had? Answers on a postcard to uk.misc...

|> 
|> * A small iron skillet (looks like a small wok) in which the curry is
|> cooked and served.
|> 
|> 
|> Sak Wathanasin
|> Network Analysis Limited
|> 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK
|> 
|> uucp:      ...!uknet!nan!sw  Phone: (+44) 203 419996
|> AppleLink: NAN.LTD           Internet: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk

Neil Cook.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: davidw@fulcrum.co.uk (David Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:00:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.130949.1853@impmh.uucp> dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon) writes:
>
>No they don't!  Coventry's attempt at a ring-road is a complete disaster;
>there's hardly enough distance for cars to get on to it, while avoiding
>those crossing their paths to get off it.  
>

I learned to drive on Coventry's ring road (along with a few other
roads), and hated it. Once I passed my test, though, I got the hang of it
very quickly - once you're used to it, it's nowhere near as bad as you
first think. I agree that to someone who doesn't drive along it very
often, it must be absolute hell, especially at peak times.

I think one of the main problems is that the locals drive on and off
it quite confidently, whilst the strangers in town dither at all the
junctions wondering which way to go and why all these cars are coming
at them - each much to the irritation of the other, each getting in
each others way. In this respect, it's not very different to most
other road systems.

I can think of many places I hate driving much more than Coventry ring road.




--
David Wilkinson                                    davidw@fulcrum.co.uk
Fulcrum Communications Ltd, Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND
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From: grahame@demon.co.uk (Grahame Davies)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Demon Systems Ltd.
Reply-To: grahame@demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:50:06 +0000


In article <JRG.92Nov17115110@oak22.doc.ic.ac.uk> jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:

>In article <28248@castle.ed.ac.uk> rwb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Bingham)
> writes:
>
>And again on 31st December 2000 when they will then point out that the
>real end of the 20th Centrury wasn't the previous year.
>
>James.
>--

...and I'll be celebrating 31st Dec 99 in case I don't make it to the
next year :)

Grahame
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From: pete@sst.icl.co.uk (Pete Bevin)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: How do you claim?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:25:10 GMT
Reply-To: pete@sst.icl.co.uk (Pete Bevin)
Originator: pete@jura

dylan@hal.uwe.ac.uk writes:
> One thing you forgot that is VERY IMPORTANT is to write 'Without
> Predjudice (sp?) at the start of every letter you send.

--Sort of the legal equivalent of putting a smiley at the end.

Pete "after all, you can't be too careful these days"
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From: grahame@demon.co.uk (Grahame Davies)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup filtering in the U.K. 
Distribution: world
Organization: Demon Systems Ltd.
Reply-To: grahame@demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:22:23 +0000


In article <1992Nov23.105055.14816@canon.co.uk> smith@canon.co.uk writes:

>csc280@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (I S Brandon Esq) writes:
>> Does anyone know who is responsible for deciding which groups get
>> filtered out, and how I could contact them.
>
>This raises an interesting point.  My understanding is that in 
>the past, UKnet has censored certain newsgroups because of fears 
>over either illegality or tabloid publicity.  Given that UKnet 
>was at one time the only gateway of any significance into the UK, 

By censoring groups, are they then "approving" the groups they carry?
The fundemental problem being of course that the Usenet is free speach
and is impossible to control - you would need a full time qualified
team.

Grahame
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From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:03:43 GMT

In article <Bxz2s1.3sE@exnet.co.uk>, s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands) writes:
|> Of late it seems to me that people on bikes have started to believe
|> they're pedestrians.  They ride past me on the pavement and they don't
|> have lights at night.

And they cross lights at red, and, and, and...  The thing that really
pissed me off recently was a cyclist who jumped the red as I was
setting out to cross the road on the cycle path, and complained at me
for getting in her way.

|> It must be months since I saw a bicycle at night with lights.  Is this
|> anyone else's experience?

I never let my kids out at night on bikes without lights.  This is
interesting, since my son (at least) is larger than I.  They moan
about how no-one else bothers, but my reasoning is that I provide the
technology (lights and batteries) - if they fail to recharge them,
they should be penalised.

|> I think *I'm* a pedestrian but then I haven't got a bike.

When _I_ was a kid, I wasn't allowed out at night, even on foot,
without a light.

|> (The Subject: is a quote from an old jewish joke.  You recognized it of course)

Could have fooled me.  Jews are subtler than one thinks, obviously  :-)
--
Robin (come back John Drummond) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
"They had twelve years to lay in wait for us" - Bush supporter on Nov 4
From: S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:46:13 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92909131@ccw301
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Bruce Munro (bocmunro@bnr.co.uk) wrote:
 
: If you take your car into Central London that's your look out. Use the
: Underground, far more convenient, and full of friendly people.
 
As a non-motorist, I'm afraid I *still* have to take issue with this.

There's a rather nasty little scam I ran across on the Underground. It went
something like this...

I was sitting peaceably minding my own business when a woman asked me if I
could change a fiver. Naively believing London to be full of friendly people
I open my (zipped) pocket (I tend to wear a vest-of-pockets to confuse
pickpockets normally) and check. I didn't have the change. Apologise to the
lady and go back to my book...

A few minutes later, just before Oxford Circus, this woman suddenly loudly
accuses me of having grabbed her money and stuffed it in my pocket. A rather
large gentleman (hitherto unconnected with her), then grabs me and holds me
while she opens my pocket, grabs MY money and leaps off the train...

I point out to the "gentleman" what he's done and he apologises profusely.
He agrees to come with me at the next stop to find a guard or BT cop so we
can lodge a description of the thieving bitch...

We get off at the next stop and are heading for the elevator in the normal
crush of "friendly people" when he suddenly does a 180 and heads for the
other platform -- presumably to rejoin his accomplice...

I eventually get to speak to an LT functionary who first doesn't believe me,
and then (incongruously) says it happens all the time...

I returned to the house of the friend I was staying with more than a little
shaken -- only to be told I was lucky I was mugged painlessly!

If that's London, you can KEEP any larger cities -- I lost nearly an entire
giro...

Steve Glover
(okay so perhaps I should've sent this to alt.peeves)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,soc.culture.celtic
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: Pakora [Was Re: humor in England]
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:59:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.100822.10958@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> Most food found in Indian restaurants is essentially Punjabi,

I know.  That's what makes the exceptions so interesting.

ian
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:33:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov20.152726.3573@ioe.ac.uk> pwa@ioe.ac.uk (Peter Wangermann) writes:

>Which is why we need proper bicycle lanes for these mid-speed vehicles.

You have to be careful about this one. Research in the the US and the
Netherlands has shown that using cycle lanes involves cyclists in
substantially higher risk of injurious accidents.

-- 
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Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Real Football in Torquay Shock  (5-2 Ha!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:48:16 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

Anyone know a worse football side than Torquay United?  Not a great advert
for the Football League as, on Saturday in the FA Cup against Yeovil...

1) Their only game play was based around hoofing it up to the (very large)
   striker Justin Fashanu, who was totally clueless if the ball came to
   him less than 7 or 8 feet from the ground

2) In 23 years of football watching, I have seen few players as
   donkeyesque as their No 5 (Moore?).  See that great clearance (it
   was on Match of the Day) that gave the second goal to Mick Spencer.

3) They were very late on a large percentage of tackles; that Jeff Sherwood
   came away with both legs intact is something of a miracle.  It struck
   me as a big shame that referees aren't stricter on persistent fouling too;
   even those players that weren't so bad as to commit directly bookable
   offences, often commited so many less serious fouls that some action
   should have been taken

4) They excessively argued EVERY refereeing decision (even the blatant
   handball that led to the 2nd penalty; TV evidence showed the decision
   to be obviously correct)

5) The ground (Plainmoor) is a dump of the first order

6) Their support was very nearly outnumbered by the away fans

7) They were completely stuffed by the Mighty Yeovil Town, who now exclusively
   hold the record for FA Cup wins against league sides as a non-league team
   (record previously joint held with Altrincham)

By contrast, Yeovil played the quality footy and got a well deserved
win.  I think with the improvement of the Conference over the last few
seasons, and the decline of the 4th (now 3rd) division, more than one
promotion/relegation per season is a must, but let's hope that Torquay
don't get relegated to join us in the Conference :-)

I'm writing this before the second round draw.  If anyone out there has
the ability to fix it, I'd like Reading at home, please.  At least they try
to play *football* (and I live in Reading now so would like to be able to
gloat about having them as the next league scalp!)
-- 
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- Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not 
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: csg020@cch.coventry.ac.uk (***CURTIS***)
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:17:47 GMT

In article <28464@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <JC.92Nov20094833@mr-potter-t-crosser-i-dotter.fulcrum.co.uk> jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:
>
>>The number of cars on our roads is continously increasing. Anyone got
>>any ideas on what to do with them all?

I could always say, increase the price for petrol, but then again I think this
has already happened. Whilst over in America (Florida) in the Summer, I was
amazed at the price of petrol (or 'gasoline') over there. $1.09 (c. 60p) for
a gallon!! So why can't we have those prices over here?!??!?


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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Pavements
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:57:21 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Nov23.152114@axion.bt.co.uk>, jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell) writes:
|> 
|> Er, Pedestrians do *NOT* have "right-of-way" at all times.

 Not on motorways, for example.

|> 		       ...  For example, had the car been turning right
|> at a road junction, the car would have right-of-way.

 Nope.

|> 							      ...  This
|> would mean it would be the car driver's fault if the pedestrian jumped out
|> in front of them into the road.....

 Yes. Precisely, it would. The pedestrian would be dead right.

 An interesting thought to reflect on whilst driving in a built up area.

	W.
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From: tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele)
Subject: FOR SALE: Apple PowerBook 100 4/40 + FDHD, 2 months old, #800 ono
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Distribution: uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:16:57 GMT

Sorry to post this here but there isn't a uk.forsale group!

It's in mint condition and comes boxed as new with all manuals,
floppies etc.  I've decided to trade up to a desktop Mac as I don't
need the portability.  Please mail me if you're interested.

Tim
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson)
Subject: Ozone from laser printers
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:30:59 GMT

Does anyone have any information on the effects of ozone generated by laser
printers? Are there any laws controlling where a laser printer should be sited,
ie should it be a certain distance away from people, in a separate room etc?
What is known about its effect on workers' health?

Please Email and I'll summarise. Thanks.

-- 
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rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk   Tel:  +44 908 284539          Amateur radio: G4TGJ
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