HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:21:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.223945.1@ntc02.tele.nokia.fi> nironen@ntc02.tele.nokia.fi (Pasi Nironen , OH2BKX) writes:
>> 		rounds					squares
>> 	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>   Pasi   1              0                       470              0
>
> Last 50 jmps studying CRW, knocking on wood...

I guess you don't count CRW wraps as malfunctions, right?  So what are we
counting here:  reserve rides or malfunctions?  I think it would be much 
easier to count reserve rides.  It's easier to define when you've had one.
For example, do you count a lost throw-out as a malfunction?  Why, the gear
didn't fail - the user did.  Personally, I wouldn't count that as a
malfunction.  So I suggest that we start counting reserve rides and not
malfunctions - simply because it's easier to define the former than the latter.
Hey, Philip, you started this.  What were you intending?

Anyway, no reserve rides after 50 CRW jumps?  Now THAT is saying something!

- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
From: pvf@alantec.com (Paul Fries)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: malfunctions (not gear failure)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:57:33 GMT

Here is the collected list as I have seen it.


                      rounds                          squares
              #jumps          #mal            #jumps          #mal
 
Philip            50             1              1200             8
Tim                0             0               175             0
Hector             0             0               260             0
pvf@alantec.com    2             0               500             0

BTW - I have had 1 reserve ride that was "gear failure"
(broken lines).  Maybe we could add this data to the list.
I volunteer to collect, format, post, if you EMAIL your
input to me.  Please use your email address instead of your
name (or nickname, as some use).  That way, people can
email back to you if they want to.

Paul Fries
pvf@alantec.com
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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Setting DYTERS 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:00:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.190220.2139@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>	YES, get a Dytter but DON'T set it at your normal pull altitude,
>>	set it lower so if you haven't pulled yet and you hear it
>>	go off, you know you're BLOWING IT!  
>>
>>	
>
>I'd like to toss this one out for the rest of ya'll to ponder:
>No, I don't set my DYTER for "normal pull-altitude", and I 

When I jump camera I set my DYTER for 4500 so that I can start positioning
myself away from expected routes of those I am filming.

I seem to remember an interview with Norman Kent who used two DYTERs, one
set, I believe, near normal pull altitude and the other near 1000.


H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Ejection (NOT!)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:11:08 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol

 r> narrator had a great line,
 r> I wish I'd caught the exact words he used, something to effect that:

 r> The test plane was [plummeting towards the Earth/re-
 r> entering the artmosphere]
 r> at 160,000 feet per minute. Due to [such and such] forces, the pilot was 
 r> unable to eject.

 r> Fat chance, eh?

What exactly do you mean fat chance?  160,000 feet/min is only 1800 mph.

 r> One of these planes, BTW, exceeded 4,250 MPH, MACH 6.3-6.5ish. Incredible.

That particular plane is on display at Wright Patterson AFB.  Number 66671 was flown by Pete Knight to a speed of 4,520 mph, Mach 6.7 on 3/67.  Yep, pretty damn fast.


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From: WALKERK@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com ('Kent Walker')
Subject: Lodi Party - Nov. 7
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:03:45 GMT
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               Howl at the Moon Party
               Lodi Parachute Center
             Saturday, November 7, 1992


          Full moon, full stomach, full fun!

Celebrate moonlight madness at Lodi by enjoying a night in the 'light with your
parachutin' friends.  Skydive all day, and enjoy night dives as the moon comes
over the bar-be-que pit.

Here's the full stomach part: For only $5.00, you get a hamburger, chips, and a
chance at the keg (after your dives).

Let's celebrate the coming of winter with moonlight hoop dives, food, "No S---,
there I was" stories, and lots of howlin at the moon!

For further information, call:

     Tom Carsen (510) 452-3600
         or
     Deborah Herath (408) 985-7395
              deborah_herath@mcimail.com
From: Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Setting DYTERS
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:11:36 GMT
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia

mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:
>During the winter months I get really used to jumping between 6-8k,
>but it was also during that period I went down to The Keys and made
>some fantastic dives from 15k.  The interesting thing was that my
>built-in brain-clock ticked off at around 8k or so.  Hell, only a
>little more than half the dive was over and my pull instinct was
>kicking in.

I have a similar clock.  Generally we jump out of cessna at 10k, but once
a month or so we get a twin otter, & jump from 14k.  The first couple of
otter jumps sees me checking my alti at 6-7k, thinking dump time is
approaching.

Sm
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: used 28' round
Date: 25 Sep 92 22:18:48 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: alex curylo

Tuesday September 22 1992, Alex Curylo writes to Romulus!trl.oz.au!l.lorrain:

 AC> Why doesn't your friend step up a bit and get paragliders? I've got a
 AC> couple of Mirbarailles that are pretty laughable as gliders (4.3 glide
 AC> ratio) but still beat the hell out of a parasail. I'd sell 'em for, oh,
 AC> $750 each. They should be good for a couple thousand tow launches at
 AC> least. (If you're interested, my voice is 604-73-GLIDE.)

Thanks, but not what he wants.  He wants to make his own.  He has made them
in the past, and is content to do so.


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Skydiving Marana
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:16:04 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: romulus!chdasic.sps.mot.com!

Friday September 25 1992, romulus!chdasic.sps.mot.com!beutel writes to Skydive:

 rsmc> student:                      Own rig:
 rsmc>   static line class   $105
 rsmc>   tandem               105
 rsmc>    EFF                 135
 rsmc>   3500 static           32
 rsmc>   6500 ff               34             $6
 rsmc>   9500 ff               36              8
 rsmc>  11000 ff               38              10

Wow, these prices are high.  At Veedersburg IN. (Illiana Skydivers) the costs
are much lower.  For example:

Static line class    $125.00
no tandem
no AFF
3500 static          $25.00
All jumpers          $1.00 per 1000ft.  Above 5000ft, add $1.00.
Rig Rental           $10.00 only $7.00 if you pack it.

So if you own your own rig, a jump from 9000 only costs $10.00.
I rent, so my jumps from 9k cost me $17.00.  (for now :-) )








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From: yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:25:33 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

In article <BvE7ty.I6I@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>
>             rounds                  squares                 aad
>        #jumps     #mal         #jumps      #mal       saves      #mal
>Mark	  10        0              450        1          0         2
>Pete       0        0             1300        0
>Philip    50        1             1200        8
>Pierre    45        0             1200        0
>Vilhuber   0        0              115        0
>
>1. I added AAD saves/problems to the list.  I've had some problems with
>   them and I didn't want to count them as parachute malfunctions.
>
>2. Philip, 8 mals in 1200 jumps is considered high (by me at least);
>   what was the context?

Well, some (2 or 3) concerns my main when it was *very* slow to open and I
did not want to wait that long (3-4 sec) and I was young in the sport.
Now I give my main a little more time... if it needs it.
2 or 3 are due to jumping experimental rigs/parachutes.
1 or 2 were lost pullout.
1 was a horseshoe which I should not have survived but got extremely lucky
with!
1 was a streamer.
The round malfunction was Mae-West.

I agree that 9 mal in 1200 jumps is high. (and I did not tell you about my
base jump from Trollweggen, nor one of my landing in Hawaii where I
*almost* drowned.....)

But I lived so I still get points!


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From: schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G)
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:26:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.104750.15176@pta.pyramid.com.au> bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon) writes:
>The significant achievement is anything that you do (good or bad) that
>the rest of DZ thinks is worth a case.  This is usually taken with a
>grain of salt as the rest of the DZ usually thinks anything is a good
>reason. 

Overheard during the climb to jump altitude:
Skydiver:                          Is this your first jump?
Rest (cheering):                   BEEEEER!!
Student:                           No, this is my fifth jump.
Skydiver (not put off so lightly): Is this your FIRST fifth jump?
Student:                           Yes.
Rest (cheering even louder):       BEEEEER!!
Naturally he didn't have to (nor did, unfortunately) buy a round.

>Bob V!
                        (me, someday)
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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:13:45 GMT

>>		rounds					squares
>>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>>
          36             0                      1200            1 

H. Wain Greenhalgh

H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
From: karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Karen Klemm)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:59:42 GMT
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving



> old rig (wonderhog, 200sqft canopy (300 jumps), 24ft lopo reserve) for 250.00.
> It is in nice condition, the guy just jumped it, but when I was talking about
> it to some experienced jumpers, a couple said GREAT BUY, and thier mouths
> dropped at the price, but a few others said "I wouldn't jump that if you paid
> ME 250.00".  Strange, but I think when some people go from one old setup to a
> new setup, the old one automatically becomes DANGEROUS.  Too bad, I am going 
> to buy that rig, 

The question I would ask about this gear is "WHAT is the main?" (not just how
many square feet is the main?).  My first rig was a wonderhog with a 26 lopo
reserve, with a 200 sq. ft. STRATOSTAR main.  The rig was purchased for 
$250.00.  While this was a good deal, I never had any intention of jumping
the STRATOSTAR as a main.  I put a Manta in the container 'cause our club
had an extra one.  I had about 25 jumps at the time.  This was 7 years ago.

The reason I mention this is that technology has done alot for skydiving
in the last 10 years.  Even though a parachute is 200 sq. ft., it does not
mean it will set you down softly if it is a STRATOSTAR (nicknamed "death star")!
Make sure the main is jumpable FOR YOU, at your weight and experience level! 
Also note that canopy material was much thicker back then, and that is a
BIG container!  The 288 sq. ft. Manta I put in it packed up much smaller
than the 'STAR did.  Any reasonable high performance canopy today will 
probably be too small to even work, even with rigger modifications to the
rig.  Keep these things in mind before making this purchase.

If you're still interested, I have one just like it in my closet that I
might part with for the price of shipping.  I don't think the wonderhog
is a dangerous rig, if it's in good condition.  It was a good rig for me
and enabled me to make a lot of jumps quickly, until I could afford "new"
gear.  It's the main canopy you should be leary of in this package, since
you didn't specify what it had.

Karen
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Hey!
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:06:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.1116.2ACD24FA

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: anthony maglietta

Monday September 28 1992, Anthony Maglietta writes to All:

 AM> Hello all! I wanted to add some echos to my BBS and I came across this
 AM> in the fidonet.na.  I am just about to get my "A".  I first jumped on a
 AM> dare from a friend out in Phoenix,AZ and now I can't get enough.  My
 AM> family thinks I'm crazy but they were crazy for having me (:
 AM> You can catch me at morgantown airport on weekends and Wednesdays.
 AM> Later,

Welcome aboard Anthony, and congrats.  I too have only 8 more jumps to my A
license.  :-)


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From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse)
Subject: Where is a good place to learn in the SF Bay area?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:59:04 GMT

I've just finished watching the "Free Fall" laser disk and then checked
for such a forum as this. What did I see first? The amazing statistics
about malfunctions. The numbers (of malfunctions) seem reassuringly low
to me. Soooooo... I'm ready to think about thinkin' seriously about
Skydiving.

Many years ago (in the sixties) I made about a dozen jumps in round, ex-Navy
'chutes. Nothing like what you folks use today existed then. It looks safer
now and appears to provide you with much more control--and fun!
 
I would greatly appreciate any info about clubs, schools or whatever, that
are located in the SF San Jose area.

Also, it it still standard to start out students with static line jumps,
followed by some jump-and-pulls? (Does this sound like ancient history?)


Thanks,

John Hesse
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From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:04:45 GMT

In article <7164@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>In article <15864@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>>>                rounds              squares             aad
>>>            #jumps   #mal      #jumps    #mal      saves    #mal
>>>Mark          10       0          450      1         0       2
>>>Pete           0       0         1300      0
>>>Philip        50       1         1200      8
>>>Pierre        45       0         1200      0
>>>Vilhuber       0       0          115      0
>>
>> Gerhard        0       0           82      0
>> H. Wain       36       0         1200      1
>> Hector         0       0          260      0
>> Jan            0       0          115      0
>> Tim            0       0          175      0
>>
>> Charlie     1500       3          750      3
>>

   Bob V!        60       0         2000      2

but one of those was a CRW wrap.  Not really a mal.  But it is an
unintentional reserve ride.  So I counted it anyway.

>>     Is anybody collecting these statistics?
>
>I know I am.

This was the longest list I could find to followup to.  Can you
collate and summarize again please.


Bob V!
From: bonitz@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Bob Bonitz)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:36:19 GMT
Organization: UC Davis  Robotics Research Lab

In article <1992Sep28.152056.16951@prl.philips.nl> schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G) writes:
>Now we're on this subject, how would you judge the following situationss?
>
>For example, when there's a bar at the DZ, is the "case of beer" replaced
>by a "round for all"? Especially in the summer this is difficult since there
>will be lots of non-jumpers present. So what this question boils down to: who
>share in this round/case and how do you get this organised?
>
Buy the equivalent of a case of beer in pitchers and set them on the bar or
tables where the jumpers are sitting.  More power to any whuffos who get in
on the action.  In fact, this is how you can spot potential future jumpers.

I learned early on one way to tell jumpers from whuffos is to leave some
beer unattended for a momemt.  Jumpers will quickly discover it and assume,
naturally, that it is community property!   Whuffos are more likely to 
behave as in the civilized world (they'll wait a little while and then
assume it is commumity property).
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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.153116.14978@eng.ufl.edu> esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson) writes:
>Another strange thing reading this months parachutist, regarding
>our favorite lurker. 
>
>The article about the WFF conv. mentioned the turbine aircraft:
>
>1. 2 FF express Otters
>2. Skydive Az's super otter
>3. Another otter, whos home base and owner got mentioned.
>4. and a "Fast climbing King Air", no mention of the owner or home base.
>
>Great unbaised journalism..... NOT.
>
>Ej

For those newer skydivers who don't understand what is being referenced, the
fastest climbing King Air in the country is owned and operated by Mike Mullins
from West Tennessee Skydiving (WTS), about 45 miles east of Memphis, TN.  

WARNING:  I'm about to climb up on a soap box.  You've been warned.

USPA does not appear to like Mike very much.  I have only seen his name
mentioned once in Parachutist, and that was in describing the crash of his
helio stallion.  Last year, Mike had some articles from parachutist posted on
one of the walls of his DZ in which some enraged skydivers couldn't believe
that it was legal to allow 14 year old Charlie Mullins to jump (Charlie is
Mike's son who started jumping at the age of 11).  The most important point is
that WTS is NOT a USPA affiliated drop zone.  All USPA affiliated Drop Zones
must abide by a set of safety guidelines called the Basic Safety
Recommendations (BSR's).  USPA is not an enforcing agency.  In other words,
they can't make laws.  WTS is not a USPA member and therefore does not have to
abide by the BSR's.  There is a BSR that says that the minimum age of a
skydiver should be 18 years old or 16 years old with parental consent.  

The Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR's), however, state no age limit on who is
allowed access to Federal Airspace. The FAR's are laws, and as such the only
enforceable laws pertaining to this subject guarantee the rights of every
citizen to use of the air.  The FAR's also recognize skydiving as an aviation
activity.  Thus, Charlie as a citizen is guaranteed, by law, the right to use
the air for skydiving or any other aviation activity.  (If you consider the
Airport Access Defense Fund and it's motivations, this brings up some very
interesting results if a USPA DZ is operating on a federally funded airport and
Mike wants to let Charlie jump there...oops, tangent!)

I suspect that USPA is not happy with the fact that they don't have any power
to enforce their rules on Mike and Charlie.  And so they have decided to 
black ball them.  While I have a great deal of respect for a lot of what USPA
has accomplished, I don't respect their journalism.  Through Parachutist they
have the power to convey many opinions as facts, and it's surprising how often
they actually do this.

Anyway, blue skies!
- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: rmfowler@landru.mtc.ti.com (Rex Fowler)
Subject: jumpers whiplash?
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:18:00 GMT


I just made my first tandem jump this past weekend and noticed
some aches in my body for a couple of days afterwards.  Most
notably was a slight "whiplash" feeling in my neck and back.
My friend who also jumped felt the same. 

I watched the video and didn't notice much of a jerk when the
chute opened but that's the only explanation I could think of. 

Anyone else ever noticed anything like this?

Thanks
-- 
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