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From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian ****
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:06:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Godfrey,

I have problems with your referring to a part of the female anatomy
so negatively.  If you are going to cast aspersions, do it with your
own anatomy.

Leslie
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Uncircumized jews
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:04:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec12.062055.10516@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed) writes:
>In article <92346.1649152893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>  I remember a news story a few years ago about a couple whos son
>>ended up dying because of some circumcision related problem, their
>>rabbi gave them permission not to circumcise their next child if a
>>boy. 
>
>I know that in Poland, after the Shoah, some fathers whose previous
>sons had been murdered because they were circumcised, were permitted
>by their Rabbis not to circumcise their subsequent sons. I understand
>that the original precedent for these rulings is even older.

Absolutely.  Any commandment can be broken - must be broken - if it
will save a human life.  Circumcision is included.  Only idol worship,
adultery, and murder are excluded from this.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
 ~|~
From: zara@rossroad.Corp.Sun.COM (Zara Haimo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Newsgroup access in Scranton
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:24:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zara@rossroad.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: rossroad.corp.sun.com

A young friend of mine who is at a yeshiva in Scranton Pennsylvania is
looking for a way to get access to this newsgroup and others.  Does
anyone know of a cheap (free?) access point near him?  Thanks!
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messianic Judaism
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:45:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: scubed.1992Dec15.004553.9684
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

In article <1992Dec11.143305.20681@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
>
>I just wanted to let you know about a prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27.
>
>Daniel writes that from the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem 
>there would be 69 multiples of 7 years before an anointed one is
>cut off (literally executed).  He wrote this in 538 BC.
>
>The decree is described in chapters 1 and 2 of the Book of Nehemiah
>and was made in the 20th year in the reign of the Persian king
>Artaxerxes.  A good encyclopaedia will confirm that this date is 445 BC.
>
>Very often the Bible consists of 360 day years.  Under this method I 
>suggest that the anointed one cut off is Jesus and hence he is the 
>Jewish Messiah.
>
>Elsewhere there is a prophecy about a crucifixion and another which
>states that the Messiah would die on a Passover - all fulfilled by Jesus.
>
>Jewish writings such as the Talmud confirm that Jesus performed the
>greatest miracles ever.
>
>It is quite clear that the Jewish rejection of Jesus led to a 19 century
>dispersion and punishment for us Jews.
>
>The purpose of the ingathering is to achieve a mass acceptance of Jesus.
>
>I have free booklets for you: Our Messiah in Prophecy & The Future Of Israel
>so please drop me a line if you want them.

My thought with regards to religious persecution Xians vs Jews
or Muslims vs Jews has been that The Xians and Muslims basically
feel inferior, ie that by repudiating Xianity and Islam, Jews, the
first People of the Book, say that Judaism IS complete and that the
others (the latecomers, as it were) are irrelevent. And, of course,
no one wants to feel irrelevent...

Hap
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:12:57 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <BzEw9D.K70@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:
>Now, we've been through all this before.  Yes, you CAN be Jewish, even if
>you are not following Judaism.

You may have been through this any number of times, but evidently you
may need a few more cycles. It is absolutely true that there is a
principle, dating from the Tanaitic period (ca 250 CE) that "Yehudi
hote' Yehudi." This translates to "A Jew who sins is (still) a Jew."
Therefore a Jewish adulterer, murderer, and even apostate, is still a
Jew (many points here oversimplified, but what the heck, we're in
holiday spirit). This fact can be distorted into somehow justifying the
notion that a Jew can formally and publicly convert to another
religion, raise their children in the other religion, and still claim
to be Jewish. But it is still a distortion. The issues here are complex
and fascinating, but I don't think they are easily discussed in an
environment like UseNet, which is best suited for brief items. Perhaps
that is why you've "been through this before" yet still do not
understand.

Oy vey, I think I may have gotten myself into another flame war.
-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Subject: looking for a Dutch - Hebrew Tanach
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:22:29 GMT


I'd like to purchase a Dutch - Hebrew Tanach (Bible) as a gift.
If anyone owns one and can give me the publisher's name, or has an idea of 
where to get one, please drop me a line.

Thanks.
Michelle 
mgross@nosc.mil
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Halacha
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:59:52 GMT

In <1992Dec11.152141.1597@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel) writes:

>The analogy between plumbing and electricity is NOT a valid one.  The
>former is an open system, where the water flows from one place to another.
>Electricity goes nowhere until a circuit is CLOSED; hence the problem of
>"haboneh" or "building."

What if the "building" (circuit) was there before Shabbat (e.g. a few
milliamperes are flowing through it), and all one does is increase the
current.  Would one say that this is adding a story onto a building?
Or is it like closing the door of an existing building - the building
is now more effective at keeping out cold and rain, but one hasn't
"built" anything new.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 08:33:52 EST
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Must be SOME advertising budget! (Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek)
Distribution: usa
 <9212162227.AA07022@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>

In article <9212162227.AA07022@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>, tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil
(Tim Miller) says:
>
>On 16 Dec 92 19:05:43 GMT, shawn@up.hep.upenn.edu (Shawn Ruby) said:
>
> > Anybody see that Jews for Jesus ad in Newsweek?
>
>        No, but I saw the full-page ad in Time.
>
> >                                      They must have more money than I
> > thought to pay for a full page spread like that.
>
>        J4J has a yearly budget in excess of $100 million, according to
>my rabbi.
>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Imagine the charities out there that would die for a chance at that
> kind of money."

Hmmm, over $100 million? wow!

A friend of mine once (facetiously, I hope, but with him one never knows)
said he wanted to open a specialty cheese store and call it "Jews for
Cheeses." :-D   I told him that was really funny, but he might get KILLED
if he actually did it!. Now I have to wonder. Think of the free publicity
by association! :-D :-D

Yaakov K. (yzkcu@cunyvm.cuny.edu on the Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messianics and us?
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:37:16 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Gideon Ehrlich writes:

>Evangelize them to observe the Seven Mitzvot.  Tell them it makes them
>"completed Christians" who will view that bit about messiahhood and
>divinity as a minor mistake on the path to true observance.

This reminds me of an anecdote I heard about Gandhi.  Some missionaries were sent
to convert him but they were so impressed by him that in the end they asked him
to convert them to Hinduism.  But he told them to go back home and be good 
Christians. I never was much of a fan of Gandhi, but in this he demonstrated that 
a true missionary makes converts not from what he says but from what he is.

But one sugestion: Tell about the Seven Mitzvot without malice.  Otherwise they
may not be so inclined to see their minor mistake.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Dec14.011630.16397@nysernet.org>
	<1992Dec14.161949.3547@cs.tulane.edu>
	<1992Dec14.173334.12973@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:06:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.173334.12973@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

   In article <1992Dec14.161949.3547@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:

   # In article <1992Dec14.011630.16397@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

   # >There's a difference between the US and Canada in that in the US there
   # >is supposed to be a separation of Church and State.  (I know, tell
   # >that to the Supreme Court!)  Using public property for religious
   # >displays, be they creches, menorahs, crosses, etc, is clearly
   # >unconstitutional (and one day the Supreme Court will take its
   # >Christian blinders off and realize it).

   # Not just the Supreme Court, but almost every federal court has
   # approved the public menorah lightings. The first amendment, contrary
   # to popular myth, prohibits only the establishment of religion, not the
   # expression of it.

	   I've got news for you.  O'hare airport in Chicago has a
   christmas tree.  They refuse to allow a menorah.  Someone (I think
   it was Chabad-Lubavitch but my memory fails me here) took the
   airport to court over that.  The Federal courts ruled that this was
   permissable since a christmas tree was not a religious symbol but a
   menorah was!  I kid you not.

That's strange, because just two years ago, the US Supreme Court,
ruling on the "December Holiday Season" decorations in the lobbies of
the Pittsburgh City Hall and the neighbouring (Allengheny) City-County
Building, decided that Christmas trees, snowflakes, Santa Claus AND
Menorahs (when installed as an ensemble) were NOT RELIGIOUS symbols.
They rejected the city's creche installation as secular, however.




--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 681 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Vijay's Genuine Apology
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.163129.24073@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:

|> * What is Messianic Judaism? * I showed you the Daniel 9 
|> prophecy which is winning the Orthodox over in their 100's.

Sure, wait till they're old and frail and *then* snatch them up!  You won't
find it so easy to trap *younger* Jews, like those who are only 80 or 90!
-- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made
Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
(908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Hanukkah's significance
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:57:44 GMT

In article <92352.084232YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I've been hearing a lot, especially lately, from fellow-Jews who describe
>Hanukkah as a minor holiday. I find this disturbing.

Okay, Hanukah's a great holiday. Nevertheless, I think we have to
consider it a minor holiday, as compared to the holidays which
are instituted in the Torah.

Many (most?) Americans have heard of Hanukah and have never heard
of Shavuout or Sukkot. Many Jews celebrate Hanukah and never
notice Shavuot. I think it's a good idea to remind everyone that
as Jewish holidays go, Hanukah is not one of the big ones.

I think it's healthy to keep a sense of perspective.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: What does Hanukkah commemorate?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:22:30 GMT

I'm embarrassed to ask this, but what precisely does Hannukah commemorate.
Please answer in as much detail as you can. Also, how do you play dreidel
for gelt?

Sheepishly,

Steven
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:45:11 GMT

In <1992Dec10.220946.8199@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:

    I tried this a couple of times this week, and you can almost see the
    light bulb over the other person's head as they get the point!

Then you had better not say that on Shabbat.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: s.c.j. mentioned in YEDIOT ACHARONOT
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:33:09 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem


MAZAL TOV ! Soc.culture.jewish was mentioned in an article on the Internet in
Friday's YEDIOT ACHARONOT weekend magazine section (pg. 26; byline by Yaron
London) 

Starring:

Dov Bai
Lory Cole
Brian Sutin

And Gideon Ehrlich in a supporting role


Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Question on "Jewish mother = jewish children"
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:50:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


Another question:

If I (a Jewish woman) give birth to a child conceived by ZIFT, and the
ovum was not my own (and not known to be from a Jewish woman), would 
the child still be Jewish?

Conversely, if I donated an ovum to a non-jewish woman and she bore
the child, would the child be Jewish?

Just curious!

							--  Michal
-- 

                                                --  Michal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course there's no reason!
Date: Friday, 18 December 1992 07:52:27 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Vijay's Genuine Apology
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1992Dec16.163129.24073@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)  wrote:

  [A lot of apologetics, which is something else entirely!]

  Yet another confirmation that anything advertised as "genuine"...

# See you on a.m hopefully 

  Nope.  We saw you first.

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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--- Author (and everything else!) of TMail  (DOS mail/news shell) ---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.180101.29372@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

# In article <1992Dec14.154623.5924@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >In article <3020@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:

# ># And they are not to be "expelled" if they agree to surrender
# ># civil rights including the right to vote.  If another country did this
# ># to Jews, would we not protest?

# >	We probably would protest.  However, Israel is a Jewish State.  It
# >seems to me as if (again, if I am wrong I apologize in advance but
# >please tell me why) you are willing to sacrifice that so as not to
# >bring in a condition that you would protest if it took place in
# >another country.  I have no prblem with keeping Israel as a Jewish
# >State even if it would mean creating that condition.

#   Here David expresses one of the cornerstones of the Kach philosophy,
#   which is that there is no intrinsic value in having a democratic 
#   government.

	I doubt very much this is a cornerstone of Kach philosophy.  I do
not know everything Kach stands for (believe it or not, I am not now,
nor have I ever been, a member of Kach), but I doubt this is in their
platform.

	What is a cornerstone of Kach philosophy is that where democracy
and Judaism clash, Judaism must be given priority.

	I sincerely hope you can see the difference.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: agw@dsm.fordham.edu (Art Werschulz)
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day
Keywords: Xmas, Chanukah
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:17:13 GMT

Hi all.

Last night, I saw a Chanukah program on WLIW (Long Island PBS).  It
closed with Harold Gould telling a true story:

Apparently, when he was around 5 or 6 years old, his parents took him
to see Santa Claus in one of the local dept stores.  They placed him
on his knee, and Santa asked him "Are you looking forward to Xmas?"

Gould replied, "No."  

"Aren't you looking forward to getting presents on Xmas?"

"No."

"Come on, now.  I saw you looking at all those toys while you were in
line.  Why weren't you looking at them, if you weren't expecting one
of them as a Xmas present?"

"Because I expect to get one of them for a Chanukah present."

Santa bent his head down to the lad, and whispered quietly, "A gezunte
on deiner kopf, yingele."

Well, *I* thought it was a cute story.  [Yiddish grammatical flames to
/dev/null, please.]

 
--
  Art Werschulz		(8-{)}
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  Shalom!  Ani mutatsia shel virus .signature.
  Ha`atek oti letoch .signature shelcha!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: More questions...
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:28:50 GMT

      Hello again,
First of all let me say that I was immensely pleased with getting so many
answers so quickly to my questions of Dec 16. For that I would like to 
thank Mr.( I assume) Foont, Rubin, Kolassa, Levene, Markowitz, Muller,
Friedenberg and Kayman.
I am glad to have discovered soc.culture.jewish because why ask anyone else
when you can directly go to the source.

I spent 18 years in Turkey and attended a private high school where about
5-8% of the students were jewish. Oddly enough, despite all the assumed
belief, we all got along very well. BTW, now I know why so many of them
spoke Spanish! (fleeing the Inquisition) Unfortunately, was you grow up
you get exposed to the stereotypes of hate mongors and bigots and sometimes
you fall for them. That is why I am directly asking people on soc.culture
jewish instead of others.
Anyway, my next question is about freemasonry. I can almost hear some of
you say "here we go!"  A magazine published in Istanbul (later was made
a book) claimed that freemasonry is a tool used by Israel to eventually
dominate the world. Proof is that despite being in separate countries many leaders are or were once masons such as

1)Washington
2) Lenin
3) Goethe
4) Ataturk (founder of turkey)
5) Founder of czechoslovakia.    etc.....

Word has it that the ceremonial rituals are all jewish customs i.e. eating
salt and bread, having two columns representing Jakin and boaz 
 having the seven armed candle holder etc....

What do you know about this?
Finally, they also claim that there are 33 steps to the top of the
hierarchy and when you reach # 18 you automatically become a jew-like
person oml;y to be used further.



thanks,  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: To all Jews: STOP the negative Jewish stereotypes
Organization: Society for Putting Things On Top of Other Things
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:44:33 GMT

Actually, let's be fair.  I did make the "air is free" comment
after the "Snot important" comment, so Mitch has identified 
the perpetrator.

Now, if you want WASP jokes or True Christian jokes, we're
going to have to take this conversation to the appropriate
newsgroup.  Only the finest Jewish Jokes for s.c.j. 

Although Mr. Saal, in another posting, believes that my essay
was satire, I'm afraid that was a case of "I swear I am not
making this up." (Reg. TM of Dave Barry)

Hmmm; back to Jewish jokes.  The usual metatopics are:
   Jews are practical (thrift/cheap) (can use Scotsman jokes here)
   Jews are good at business (money-lovers)
   Jews are intelligent (moreso than Gentiles)
   Jews like to argue
   Cultural disparities (e.g. kosher laws, rabbi/priest jokes, etc)
   Historical situations (yes, that includes Holocaust jokes)
   Jewish mothers are controlling
   Jewish fathers/boys are not athletic
   Jewish daughters are over-pampered (lazy, spoiled)

All of these metatopics are true in some ways and false in
others.  It's what is meant by the joke-teller, not the joke.
The real problem with humor is motivation.  I find most of these
jokes to illustrate people's differences, and that's a big
element of enjoying life.  The danger is ethnic jokes (of any
sort) is when they're told to justify hate or mistreatment.
But that doesn't mean we should outlaw wood because the KKK
can use it to build burning crosses.

P.S.  Know why Jesus was born in a manger?
      Because some paskudnyak innkeeper wouldn't give a Jewish lady a
        room for the night.

-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish