From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.deaf-l
Subject: Re: Anti-Deaf perspective vomit
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:52:52 GMT
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"Stephen J. Kotchen" <CASK@CATCC.BITNET> writes:
>
>  I absolutely, without questions, agree that Deaf can do anything, but
>hear.  Based on my experiences at Liberty University, I've been trying
>to participate with sports such as Football, Baseball, or Softball.  The
>Hearing society told me that I cannot play since I cannot hear.  This is
>ridiculous.  It sounds like that hearing people can play football,
>baseball, or softball with blindfold.
	
	You mean they told you that if you were blind, you'd be allowed 
to play? That sounds like what you were saying... I can't imagine anyone
being that silly.

>Thomas Edison inventing light bulb, Beethoven's excellent pieces,

	Nobody said that inventing a light bulb is something that
is defined by one's ability to hear. Where did you get that one from?
	Beethoven could hear for many years before he was deafened.
PLEASE don't tell me that if he was deafened since birth he would
have been able to compose the pieces he did. You can't write music
if you've never heard it. He worked entirely from his memory of what
music sounded like (and whatever residual hearing he had).

>You and your
>people still believe that deaf cannot do anything.  

	Who said "cannot do anything"? I believe only the phrase
"cannot do some things" was used, which is pretty much true. There
are a FEW HEARING-RELATED things that one cannot do if one cannot
hear. Football is not one of them, nor did anyone *here* claim it 
was.


>Maybe you should check
>under the rug to see if your brain is there.  When will you and your
>people finally get up from your ass and look under the rug? 

	I don't want to look under my rug. I think the ferret's 
kicked more (clean) kitty litter under there than I want to know 
about. :) There's really no need to get rude. Especially to me. 
I believe all I did was point out the difference between a DISABILTY
and a HANDICAP which, albeit less fanatically and more politely, 
was basically supportive of your view. I'd appreciate an apology.


>    For example, when I was in Liberty University, one woman came up to
>me and ask me "How can you understand people sign in television?" 

	How exactly are you parsing this sentence? Especially the part
about "people sign". Is that "How can you understand people who sign
on TV?" or "How can you understand people who don't sign on TV?" or
what? 

>You hearing people who called us Deaf and Dumb  look at what I have just
>told you. 

	Hate to burst your righteous bubble here, but the phrase "Deaf
and Dumb" comes from when there was very little oralism for the deaf 
and deaf people were basically mute. "Dumb" is a synonym for "mute".
Fetch a thesaurus and look it up if necessary.

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