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From: seurer@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Bill Seurer)
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:33:22 GMT
Reply-To: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com
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In article <C0p4A2.812@boi.hp.com>, ahanson@boi.hp.com (Angela Hanson) writes:
..
|> Mountain dogs.  It was so frustrating because our dogs behave better than most peoples
|> kids and no one bothered to question us as to whether or not we have kids.  ...

That's 'cause in many (most?  all?) states it is illegal to discriminate
against renters with children.

I too have seen the anti-dog trend and I think it has two reasons:
1) Irresponsible pet owners
2) Lazy enforcement of existing laws and rules.

For instance, I used to be a member of the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum.
They have lovely grounds just west of Minneapolis and on weekends I liked
to take my family there including our dogs.  No problem, we keep them on
leashes and they are friendly with everyone off their own turf.

However, there apparently were a lot of people who let their dogs run loose
and caused various other trouble.  We never saw any, but I have no doubt
they exist.

So instead of trying to "crack down" on the irresponsible pet owners, they
simply banned pets completely.  Sigh...

Of course just banning pets doesn't solve the problem.  I was bitten in the
hand by a large dog once in a park not 100 feet from a "Pets Prohibited" 
sign.  It was winter and I was on a tobagon wearing heavy mittens so it
didn't hurt me.  I chewed out the owners who blithely ignored me and 
continued "walking" their dog.  If I had been golfing or playing softball
(in the summer) I might have brained the damn mutt.  Or the owners.  :-)
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Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 16:08:41 EST
From: <JFEERO@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: weird habits

My dog was introduced to a friend's camp on a lake and loved it.
He would swim in the lake out to a floating clump of lake grass/
weed, take it in his mouth and deposit it on shore. He continued
to pick up these floating bits until he had a neat little pile
of them on the sand and the water close to shore was clean enough
for his taste. I only wish he was that neat in our house!

Jo.
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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: UPDATE: It's been so long, I forgot to clue you all in...
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:16:38 GMT


While I'm writing here about my wonder dog, Siegfried, I remembered
that I had never updated you all before Xmas about his swollen muzzle.

Well, when we went home after 3 hours of worrying he was absolutely
fine, although it was still swollen and it hadn't increased at all. So, we
went on up to my folks. I know a vet quite well way up there so I felt
confident that if something came up I could call on him (he's my folks'
vet, always has been and I had interviewed him who knows HOW many
times about being a vet for career day!). He was chewing his bones a lot
but by the next morning the swelling was gone. His gums were bleeding
a lot though as some BIG new teeth were coming in all over the place and
he got blood all over his bones. So, we attributed the swelling to his
teething! He's got some BIG teeth coming in there, I've never seen teeth
quite this big in a dog before (that means bigger than the Labs and 
GSP cross and Lab/Golden cross)! But they're coming in fine now and he
doesn't have so much cutting anymore although he's still very mouthy,
his furthest back teeth are in now and a lot more are peeking through!

Classify me as a paranoid Doggie/Kitty MOm!!!

Kay & Crew

Baeki peed on the bed today and I have no clue why as she's not done
that much before (once when she wasn't housebroken and once before
because she felt left out)...I banished her from the bedroom today! And 
I had even given her more attention that usual!!!! Grrrrrr...
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:  Goldens as protection?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:02:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
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If you want a dog that will bark try a Pembroke Welsh corgi.  I
guarantee you it will bark both when you want it to and when you
don't.  Problem with mine is that  he would probably lick a
burglar to death rather than bite.  Of course if I were threatened
it would be a different story.  He'd go for the jugular.  He's a
little over protective but I don't mind.  He's a great dog and he
is good protection.  The noise alone would scare anyone off.

-- 

From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:02:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Dog Barfing in the Morning
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

We've had something like this too, and we've never figured it out.  I have
gone to the vets about it a couple times over the last 4-5 yrs, and everything
indicates our Irish Setter is as healthy as a horse and there's nothing to
worry about.  This is partially why I just have them do a complete blood
work-up on her each year.  Before we had her, we adopted a male 4-yr old
rescue Irish Setter.  He had a sensitive stomach and would vomit if you
fed him table scraps (which we never did- his previous owner told us this).
To make a long story short, he had weak kidneys and finally died of a sudden
kidney failure after stealing a large box of raisens out of our grocery bag
as we were putting the groceries away.  It was absolutely heartbreaking.  But
the vet assures us that he had to have had abnormally weak kidneys to begin
with in order for this to have killed him.  And had we ever done a blood work-
up on him, we would have been alerted.  He was only 4!

So I recommend making that procedure a yearly thing.  And aside from that,
relax about it.  Good luck and enjoy your companion!
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: What Breed is this?
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:54:45 GMT

In article <1ii699INN625@eagle.natinst.com>, jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> In may we adopted our second dog.  Our vet's office was in on the
|> rescue and claimed that the mother looked to be a GSD/Mal mix.  
|> 
(Some stuff deleted)
|> The one trait I'd love to know where she gets, though, comes out
|> during rough play.  The hair on her back (mostly neck and shoulders)
|> stands straight up, like a cat!  My folks are here visiting and are
|> swearing up and down that she *must* have coyote in her!  I'd love
|> to have some other options available for them to think about....
|> 
|> So, what breeds have hair that raises like a cat's (or a coyote's :)?
|> 
|> email is preferred.  my news may expire too quickly....  thanks!
|> 
|> -jenn
|> 
Well of the dogs I've owned, the following breeds have done this when
excited: GSD, Border Terrier, Rhodesian Ridgeback Hound, Boston Terrier, and
Lab. I've also seen this in Belgian Sheepdogs, Golden Retrievers, and the
list goes on. So just take your pick ;-). Oh I've never seen a OES or
a poodle do this so you can probably rule these out ;-) :-).

I couldn't resist,
Kayti
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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Large Breeds Showing Age
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:03:36 GMT
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> 
>On the average very large dogs don't live as long as smaller ones, but
>as with all dog answers, it varies with the individual.  The graying
>is independent of other aging factors.  I have GS Pointers.  Some of my
>youngsters are starting to gray at age 5.  One female is as gray as her
>nine year old mother.  My old dobermans have hardly any graying.  Eighty-
my rikki (75 lb black and tan coonhound) came from a line of early greyers.
he had grey on his muzzle before his second birthday!  he lived to be 10 1/2.

and my bluetick molly has had white-frosty ticking on her face almost since 
birth.  when she greys it will be hard to tell.
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Subject: Re: Dogs In Peeing Contest
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:39:43 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1993Jan8.141826.598@news.wesleyan.edu> I wrote:

> Buffer and her constant playmate & soulmate, Barkus (the next-door dog), have
> lately gotten into this peculiar peeing game (outdoors, thankfully!).
> 
> Whenever Barkus pees, Buffer goes over VERY close to him, facing him, and also
> pees.  Whenever Buffer pees, Barkus comes over & pees RIGHT ON TOP of the VERY
> spot where Buffer just peed.  Sometimes this can go on for a number of rounds &
> it looks hilarious.

I guess I know that they are "marking".  Maybe the questions I'm wondering
about don't have any answers in human terms :-)   but I' wondering:

-Does this mean that both dogs are trying to claim "alpha" status w.r.t. each
other, or would they do this even if they already had that figured out?

-Why do they "mark" the common territory on which they both play?  Neither one
seems to want to keep the other one off, they just want it to smell like their
own...

-Is there any reason why the humans should try to discourage this? (I.e., is
this an indication that the dogs believe that the territory "belongs" to one of
THEM, and *not* to one or more of the humans?)  Where they are playing together
right now is (mostly) where we have our fairly large vegetable gardens in the
spring & summer.  We fence off our vegetable gardens with a "reminder" fence
(low chickenwire) during growing season, but either dog could jump over it if
he or she really wanted to.  Are we going to have trouble wrestling our gardens
away from the dogs when planting season arrives?  


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:41:47 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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In article <1ib0v8INNp6r@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com>, akh@empress.gvg.tek.com (Anna K. Haynes) writes:
|> Large or small, they age too fast.  I have a Lab who's about 6 years old &
|> slowing down some, & what with the news on anti-aging effects of 
|> chromium,  I put him on 100 mg/day 2-3 months ago.  And over that time
|> he has gone from a black-noser to a brown-noser--no other ill effects that
|> I can tell, but it's disconcerting.   Anyone with any info on chromium
|> tolerance & optimum dosage levels for dogs?  If if works for mice & in theory 
|> should work for humans, is there any reason it shouldn't also work for dogs? 
|>  
|> ---
|> Anna K. Haynes  The Grass Valley Group, Inc. Grass Valley, CA  (916) 478-3691
|>    <akh@empress.GVG.TEK.COM>  -or-  <...!tektronix!gvgpsa!empress!akh>


Our golden, Minnie, just turned 2 (yrs) and we have had her for a year now. (I
adopted her from GRREAT, i.e., Golden Retriever Rescue Education and Training)
I noticed this fall that her nose color changed from black to a pinkish-brown.
I am not giving chromium (atleast I am not aware of giving it) or any medication.
I did change her food from Science Diet (SD) maintenence to SD light. Does anyone 
have any idea why this happened?

Shalini
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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: FAQ for Brittany's - does one exist?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:10:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.160226.20326@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
= 
[...]
= Also, the American
= Brittany Club had _The Book of the American Brittany_ by Bissell
= for $10 from
= 
= 			The American Brittany Club
= 			2036 N. 48th Avenue
= 			Omaha, NE  68104

Just a small addition:  That isn't the address to join the American
Brittany Club; I believe that address is:

American Brittany Club
P.O.Box 616
Marshfield, MO 65706

Sorry for any confusion.



-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: German Shepherds for Adoption
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:58:42 GMT

>> What percentage of the dogs at your shelter do you think arrived for
>> valid reasons, such as, the ones you listed?
>
>About half.  Wish I could be more precise, but then I would also like
>to get numbers from other shelters, too.  Perhaps someone out there
>has a breakdown?
>

I think these breakdowns are impossible to make.  Owner give-ups (where
a person walks in off the street and says I've had this dog for three
years and can't keep it any more) are a small proportion of the dogs in
most shelters that I know about.  Almost all of the rest are dogs that
were picked up running loose.  I've heard some people say that these are
all abandoned dogs.  I know this isn't true.  It's also not true that 
they are all lost and dearly missed pets--but I like to think they are.
Some of them clearly are.  When you find a five month old puppy who is
housetrained, well mannered, knows sit, stay, shake and come, and looks
positively frightened, I just can't believe this is an abandoned dog.
Likewise when you find a miniature poodle on the street with a rhinestone
collar, painted nails and an expensive cut, you can be pretty confident
this dog is owned, even if the owner never does figure out the right
shelter to go to, or doesn't go during the right three day window to
save their dog.  I also believe the proportion of abandoned/stray dogs
differs drastically from region to region.  

My vet told me this morning about a stray dog that was brought in a few
days ago, dehydrated, emaciated, mangey, flea ridden with open soars.  A
mutt, no less.  The dog was identified by its rabies' tags.  It was lost
five months ago!  The dog is owned by a very wealthy man who put a great
deal of effort into finding it.  It was finally found by a farmer thirty
miles away.  It's finishing up with about a thousand dollars worth of
treatments.  It's going to make it!  The owner is actually not aware the
dog has been found.  He's on a week cruise in the caribean.   His employees
have guaranteed the bill until he gets back.  Imagine the suprise he's in
for!  This is a dog that virtually any animal control facility would have
put down at the first legal chance--for the dog's own benefit.  It would
look like it had been born on the streets, and certainly would have been
put into the category of abandoned/stray.  I'd just like to be around for
the homecoming.

We just don't ever know these dog's pasts unless they are owner give-ups.

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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: HELP! My dog is marking the whole house!!!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:06:07 GMT

> Jason Chen writes:
> I am seriously considering to neuter him. Will it fix the crisis? Any other
> methods that I can try?


Neutering would probably help immensely, other than that, the first thing I
would start doing is treat him as though he'd never been housebroken. That
means:

1. Crate him when you can't watch him.
2. Keep him with you and supervise him 100% of the time he is out of the
crate. Do not let him out of sight for a second.
3. Correct him and confine him ONLY when you catch him in the act (which you
will if you are watching him well enough!)

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From: jk13+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joanne M. Karohl)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Constant criticism of Elaine (was Re: training problem <sigh>)
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:18:47 GMT
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Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Terri writes:

>I see Elaine getting a great deal of criticism in this group, even
>when her postings do not warrant it.  I guess at some point she made a
>few enemies here & now any excuse for provocation suffices.  I would
>appreciate it if you guys could wait until she posts something WORTH
>flaming her for before trying to make her look bad.  Or at least
>change the subject heading (as I did) so that I can know to skip over
>it.

I would like to second this sentiment, as I have found the surprisingly
virulent responses to Elaine's posts far more troubling (and harder to
skip) than her posts themselves. 

Joanne
From: micki@novell.com (Michelle Duncan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: faq for Collies?
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:57:54 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.


I'm looking for the f.a.q. on Collies...is there one and if there is,
where is located?

Thanks...
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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:23:04 GMT


We got Kenzie (black Lab) about a year ago, and then got Meggin (Aussie X)
in September.  They are both females, and they got along wonderfully.
They did fight on occasion but have never fought to hurt.  Harry
(Border Collie X) came at the end of November, and all 3 are doing fine.
Kenzie seems to feel a need to dominate Harry, and sometimes Meggin,
but since she weighs so much more than they do she doesn't have to 
work at it.  She does play-fight a little rough with Harry, but if
he gets hurt she becomes very concerned and worried.  I think they'll
work it out as he gets older -- I can already tell that he is more
sure of himself because he is picking fights with Meggin.  I think
our pack hierarchy is secure at the top (my husband, then me, then
Kenzie -- my husband is the alpha because he can sound meaner!), but
Harry and Meggin are still not stable.  I think Meggin is above
Harry, but I can't really tell.

This brings me to a question:  do all dogs see the pack hierarchy
the same?  like if Kenzie thinks I'm number 2, could Harry think
I'm the alpha???  I'd like to be someone's alpha!  Besides, I do
all of the training and sometimes it seems that Harry and Meggin
look up to me more than my SO.  I know Kenzie doesn't but she was
my first dog and I was a little nervous around her for a while.
  

Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese

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From: tittle@alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:38:56 GMT
Followup-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

I would like to contact anyone knowledgeable with this breed
via email.  Please drop me a note: I'm interested in any books,
magazines, and similar references to the breed, etc, as well
as asking some questions.

Thanks,
--Cindy
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:35:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: RE: Dealing with Chewing?
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  Jasper is a DOG.  Not a child.  He needs a kennel where he can rrela
and not get into trouble.  If you don't have space for even a small
dog run, get a crate to keep him when you are out.  Actually, you have
a small, controllable chewing problem, 'cause he never does it right
in front of you.  Some dogs will sneak away while the owner is home to
distroy things.  Personally, I would not like to live like this, with
the dog at war with my desire to keep my home intact.
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Subject: Coyotes and dogs
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:55:22 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

I live way out in the boonies and am taking care of a six 
year old mutt (said affectionately) who is clearly frightened
of coyotes.  Their howl sends her running to me for saftey.

My question is Are coyotes dangerous to dogs?  Will they
attack a domestic dog?  (I know that they are extremely
wary of humans and I've never found their tracks near my
house.)
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