HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: taber@ultnix.mro1.dec.com (Patrick St. Joseph Teahan Taber)
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Reply-To: taber@ultnix.mro1.dec.com (Patrick St. Joseph Teahan Taber)
Organization: KC1TD@KB4N.NH.USA.NA.EARTH.SOLAR_SYSTEM.UNIVERSE.MIND_OF_GOD.01463
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:49:28 GMT


In article <6329@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|>
|>MORSE, GODDAMMIT, MORSE!!!!!!!!!!!
|>
|>While you're doing in ham radio, at least get the names right.
|>-- 
|>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
|>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
|>         "Grow up children. Purchase lives." -- Geoff Collyer
|>


Goddammit Morse!  He was one of my favorite Ian Flemming characters!  I loved the way he always worked that line in:

	"Name please?"
	"Morse, Goddammit Morse."

A Classic.


--
                                             >>>==>PStJTT
                                     Patrick St. Joseph Teahan Taber, KC1TD

I never knew I was a Republican
Until I married into a family of Democrats.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: marcoh@lear.bos.locus.com (Mark Heroux)
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation --- Boston Office
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 17:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.170240.1074@pictel.com> wpns@pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.181518.26627@hou.amoco.com> jim@n5ial.chi.il.us writes:
>>the only code I know of that Hams need to know is Morse code that we use
>>for cw operations.  has someone invented a new version?  :-)  :-)
>
>You must have missed it a few weeks ago, but it turns out that Morse
>did not invent what is known as Morse code, but stole the idea from a
>co-worker.  This co-worker (whose name escapes me) is buried in Morris
>Township, New Jersey, hence it's really Morris code.  :+)
>
>Willie Smith - proving once again that hams have no sense of humor
>wpns@pictel.com

Would that be the Tomb of the Unknown Solderer?

No sense of humor indeed!   ;-)

Marco
From: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL talk, Novice Enhancement 2
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:48:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc

In article <BRUCE.92Apr7210222@merlin.think.com> bruce@merlin.think.com (Bruce Walker) writes:
>4) League renaming.  Proposal to rename ARRL to AARL: American Amateur
>Radio League.  The vote here probably 50%/50%, with a lot of "who cares?"
>and "why bother?".

It would be ironic if they now got rid of the world "relay",
considering that the technology is rapidly leading us again towards
networks of stations that relay messages.

In the early days it was done by hand. Now it's done by automatic
computers and at much higher speeds, but the idea is the same.
To say nothing of FM repeaters...

Phil
From: wpns@pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:37:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: pictel.1992Apr9.173747.1529
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>wpns@pictel.com (Willie Smith) writes:
>>jim@n5ial.chi.il.us writes:
>>>uh, just what or who is this morris that you keep referring to?
>>You must have missed it a few weeks ago, but it turns out that Morse
>>did not invent what is known as Morse code, but stole the idea from a
>>co-worker.  This co-worker (whose name escapes me) is buried in Morris
>>Township, New Jersey, hence it's really Morris code.  :+)
>
[then he didn't include]
>Willie Smith	Proving once again that hams have no sense of humor.

>This is a retcon. (*)

No, that was a joke.  Sheesh!  For the humor impaired - the symbols
:+) are a 'smiley' face, turn your head to the side to see the smile,
there are dozens of variations.

Thanks for proving my point...

Willie Smith	Proving once again that hams have no sense of humor.
wpns@pictel.com
From: willis@cs.tamu.edu (Willis Marti)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:37:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

In article <6334@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> In article <11990@tamsun.tamu.edu> willis@cs.tamu.edu (Willis Marti) writes:

|> >And as for getting names right, I don't see you complaining about the use
|> >of "no code Technician" -- since the license *is* Technician.
|> 
|> Actually, I see the phrase "no-code Technician" as an adjective and a noun;
|> the Technician is a class of license, and the no-code is an unofficial
|> description. Kinda like IDing as "K5ZC mobile 5": not required, but
|> descriptive.

Several people think 'Morris' is properly descriptive. 8-)

|> 
|> >"No code" should refer to those hams who couldn't write or understand the
|> >code for their packet/AMTOR/WEFAX/satellite/contest-logging software.
|> 
|> Assuming they use such, of course...

But they *do* probably have a license to use any & all of it, whether they
know how or not.
From: tjonz@Sun.COM (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:28:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: caliban.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Apr10.133613.29421@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
writes:

	> The *real* Morse code was also received by an electromagnet
	> controlling a pen that made marks on a moving strip of paper, like a
	> ticker tape. It was never intended by old Sammy to be received by
	> ear.

What?  You mean to say that poor old Sam would have been thrown out of a VEC
exam for copying dits and dahs?!  Tsk, tsk, tsk....   ;-)


Todd, KB6JXT
From: daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: CW "cheats"
Summary: ITU does not specify minimum code speed
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:55:42 GMT
Organization: Compnect, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <19510007@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott) writes:

> I don't get it.  Codeless Techs have everything above 30 MHz, and
> International Treaty requires 5 wpm below 30 MHz.

Actually the treaty does not specify any minimum code copying speed.  It
just says that hams must be able to receive and send morse code, except
for licensees that only have priviledges above 30 MHZ.
73 de KA3UZR


-- 
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Packet: KA3UZR @ K3WKK.PA.USA.NA Fidonet: 1:270/101.28 Usenet: daveh@ka3uzr.UUCP
daveh@compnect.UUCP or Dave_Hultberg@p28.f101.n270.z1.fidonet.org
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: OK ... I'm confused...
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:25:13 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <571@hsdndev.UUCP>, Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:
> On 1/22 I went to a W5YI exam session intending to pass
> elements 1(A), 2, and 3(A), and walk out with a CSCE for
> Technician Plus HF (their terminology)....  
> I walked out with a CSCE for Technician....
> 
> In the meantime, however, I went back to the exam session
> that this group offered the next month (2/19 -- 4 weeks later).
> the code (which I had ignored for the intervening month) I
> Well, I passed 3(B) no
> problem (I had looked at the questions the night before...),
> but barely suffered through 1(A) (5 wpm code)....  
> 
> A couple of weeks later I got my license from the FCC.  
> 
> Today I received mail from W5YI-VEC.  It congratulates me
> on upgrading my license but explains that they are holding
> my 610 because they can't forward it to the FCC unless it is
> accompanied by a copy of my current license.  It explains that
> I hadn't had my most recent FCC license in hand when I had
> upgraded....

The letter sounds like it wasn't properly worded, but this is standard operating
procedure. You see, the FCC won't permit more than one application (read 610)
to be presented before the FCC at any one time. So if you upgrade or obtain
a new license and then upgrade again before you get your paper from the FCC,
the VEC is REQUIRED to hold your upgrade 610 until your first license comes
back.

Sometimes, if someone shows up at a Saturday test session, then upgrades at
a Sunday test session at the same hamfest, we'll send in just one 610 and
save a lot of hassle. Otherwise, you've got to supply the license.

Seems weird, especially since you just upgraded from Tech to Tech w/HF,
but they still have to send a 610 to the FCC.

-- 
Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:36:13 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

>In article <1992Apr6.181518.26627@hou.amoco.com> jim@n5ial.chi.il.us writes:
>>uh, just what or who is this morris that you keep referring to?  the only
>>'morris' I know of is a cat that used to be (perhaps still is?) in TV
>>commercials for cat food.
>>
>>the only code I know of that Hams need to know is Morse code that we use
>>for cw operations.  has someone invented a new version?  :-)  :-)

Actually, very few hams use Morse code, and then only for domestic
contacts. It's use is illegal for international contacts. Old Sammy 
Finley Breese Morse's code pretty much died with the railroad 
telegraphers. The Continental Code, yes it's European, that most 
amateurs use is considerably different from Morse Code. In Morse for 
example, the letter C is .. .  and not _._.  That's right, spaces 
*inside* letters. The *real* Morse code was also received by an 
electromagnet controlling a pen that made marks on a moving strip 
of paper, like a ticker tape. It was never intended by old Sammy to 
be received by ear. A notched rod and a hand crank were used to send
messages that had been whittled into the stick, called a port rule.
Morse's partners, Lenard Gale and Alfred Vail actually did the majority
of the development that made the telegraph possible.

Now do we want to talk about the Murray code used for RTTY and mis-named
Baudot? Or would we like to talk about the *real* father of radio, Nathan
B. Stubblefield? He was transmitting *voice* by radio in 1870 to ships
off shore in a demonstration before Congress.

Gary KE4ZV
From: bruce@merlin.think.com (Bruce Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: ARRL talk, Novice Enhancement 2
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:02:22
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.think.com

An ARRL Division vice-director, Warren Rothberg WB1HBB, visited our local
club in Framingham last week.  Several issues came up.

1) PRB-1.  I believe it was suggested in this group a few times that the
ARRL spend more time/resources helping amateurs fight antenna ordinances.
Warren said that they do all they can by distributing information, but by
charter, they are prohibited from providing legal assistance to specific
cases (e.g., lawyers).  This was news to me, but at least it's an
explanation.  However, there was no explanation as to why the League keeps
so silent on negative decisions.

2) HR-73.  Amateur Radio Spectrum Protection Act, or whatever it's called,
appears likely to die in committee, despite about 140 cosponsors.  If
you're going to do anything about this one, like write your congressperson,
do it now!  No form letters!

3) Novice Enhancement 2.  Funny, a suggestion was made in this newsgroup
not too long ago to open up 30m to Novices.  Then came the article in QST
about "Novice Enhancement 2": opening up 17m to Novices.  The theory here
is that the 28.300-28.500 SSB Novice enhancement has been a big success,
but 10m is headed downhill for the next several years of the solar cycle.
Opening up 17m, including SSB, to Novices, would provide a band which is
likely to have good DX action throughout the solar cycle, and which isn't
very crowded now.  He had been going around polling groups like ours, and
over 90% were in favor!  An alternate proposal was made to give Novice SSB
access to 14.300-14.325 :-).

[ Aside: My first thought is that there are just too many license classes,
but whatever the entry level is should have more HF band/mode access than
it currently does.  I would like to see phone bands similar to the Novice
CW bands on 80, 40, 15.  I think I'd rather see that than 17m opened up,
but I don't object to the 17m proposal.  We are more likely to keep people
in the hobby if we give them more of a taste of different modes, bands,
etc.  However, I would probably only have 2 or 3 license classes to begin
with (one of which is an artifact of of the ITU HF Morse requirement).  ]

4) League renaming.  Proposal to rename ARRL to AARL: American Amateur
Radio League.  The vote here probably 50%/50%, with a lot of "who cares?"
and "why bother?".

5) Novice testing heading back to VEC control.  He said this was really
something the FCC had been hinting was going to happen for some time, so
they went ahead and issued their own proposal on it rather than have the
FCC decide how it should be done.
--
--Bruce Walker
  Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge, MA
  bruce@think.com; +1 617 234 4810; WT1M
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 8 Apr 1992 15:05:26 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <11990@tamsun.tamu.edu> willis@cs.tamu.edu (Willis Marti) writes:
>What a way to encourage John -- by using language you wouldn't use on the air
>(and one of the reasons why we can't auto-gateway this group).

John hasn't listened to a thing I've said in three years; why should he start
now?
As for auto-gatewaying, as long as the current content restrictions are in
part 97, any ham who runs an automatic gateway is putting his license in
jeopardy anyway, and not just for language: commercial content is far more
prevalent and more of a problem.

>And as for getting names right, I don't see you complaining about the use
>of "no code Technician" -- since the license *is* Technician.

Actually, I see the phrase "no-code Technician" as an adjective and a noun;
the Technician is a class of license, and the no-code is an unofficial
description. Kinda like IDing as "K5ZC mobile 5": not required, but
descriptive.

>"No code" should refer to those hams who couldn't write or understand the
>code for their packet/AMTOR/WEFAX/satellite/contest-logging software.

Assuming they use such, of course...
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
         "Grow up children. Purchase lives." -- Geoff Collyer
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:49:41 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <5_njyqr@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>Ok guys.  I'm rested.  I've gotten my breath back.  My keyboard 
>is resharpened.  Are we ready yet to start the final assault on 
>Morris?  He's on his knees from being knocked off Techs.   Let's
>do him in.

MORSE, GODDAMMIT, MORSE!!!!!!!!!!!

While you're doing in ham radio, at least get the names right.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
         "Grow up children. Purchase lives." -- Geoff Collyer
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: spinnefm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Letterman Intervies Young Ham
Reply-To: spinnefm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:04:30 GMT

In article <11216@ksr.com>, jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:
>perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott) writes:
>>Does this need to go to .policy ?
>
>Probably.
>
>>Letterman was being paid to broadcast over amateur radio.  3rd party
>>traffic for pecuniary gain of the 3rd party is not legit.
>
>Presumably, Letterman would have been paid even if the equipment had exploded
>when first keyed up.  The actual QSO wasn't a means to an end, it was just
>Letterman goofing off with other people's toys on his show.  I think she has
>more to worry about from the IRS for the gift of the radio than from the FCC
>for letting Letterman talk...	;-)

This just proves that on this group, people can argue about ANYTHING.
Morally it was okay, Ethically it was okay, Legally it was a ?

I think the point is that BOTH the FCC and the IRS have much better
things to do than go after a 6 year old! geez!

All this hype on Internet about this could get back to NBC, who may
just decide never to do that again because of this crap.

Give me a break guys.

Fred M. Spinner, KA9VAW
President, Rose-Tech Radio Club
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
From: wpns@pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:02:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: pictel.1992Apr8.170240.1074
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1992Apr6.181518.26627@hou.amoco.com> jim@n5ial.chi.il.us writes:
>uh, just what or who is this morris that you keep referring to?  the only
>'morris' I know of is a cat that used to be (perhaps still is?) in TV
>commercials for cat food.
>
>the only code I know of that Hams need to know is Morse code that we use
>for cw operations.  has someone invented a new version?  :-)  :-)

You must have missed it a few weeks ago, but it turns out that Morse
did not invent what is known as Morse code, but stole the idea from a
co-worker.  This co-worker (whose name escapes me) is buried in Morris
Township, New Jersey, hence it's really Morris code.  :+)

Willie Smith - proving once again that hams have no sense of humor
wpns@pictel.com
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:15:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: hou.1992Apr6.181518.26627
Reply-To: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
Organization: me?  have you seen my desk?  : -)
Originator: jim@eddie

I may have missed something here....this is the first article from this
thread I've really looked at (been busy), and the rest are expired....but....

In article <5_njyqr@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott) writes:
>
>>I don't get it.  Codeless Techs have everything above 30 MHz, and
>>International Treaty requires 5 wpm below 30 MHz.
>
>No it doesn't.  KE4ZV posted the relevant part of the treaty awhile
>back.  The treaty addresses hams demonstrating a proficiency in
>SENDING and receiving morris.
                       ^^^^^^
uh, just what or who is this morris that you keep referring to?  the only
'morris' I know of is a cat that used to be (perhaps still is?) in TV
commercials for cat food.

the only code I know of that Hams need to know is Morse code that we use
for cw operations.  has someone invented a new version?  :-)  :-)

>You may have a point regarding the need for congestion control.  What
>we need is a fair method of limiting the population on HF (assuming
>we need population control at all.)  Seems to me like a lottery 
>somewhat similar to how deer hunting permits are allocated in
>National Forrests.  Similar situation - too many people for the 
>resources at hand.  An annual lottery, with winners getting  a permit
>for the year to operate anywhere below 10 meters, would be 
>emminently fair.

I'll give this all of the comments and recognition it deserves......
here it is:

[pause for a few seconds of silence....]

ok, that was it.  hope you didn't miss anything there.

if everyone, not just most everyone, would exercise a little common
courtesy and not intentionally QRM other QSOs (e.g., if there is a QSO in
progress on a frequency where you normally meet to ragchew with someone
every night, don't QRM the people who were there first, move up or down a
few kC to a clear frequency....nice and simple, and no QRM).

most of the time, when I hear people claiming ownership of a frequency,
refusing to move, and QRMing the folks who were there first, there are
clear frequencies all over the place...they're just too stubborn and
pigheaded to move.

now, as far as the code/no code argument, I'm staying well clear of that
one.  I happen to enjoy running cw, and believe it still has its place in
the world, especially in emergency communications and communications when
conditions really suck.  but that's my opinion....
   --jim

Standard disclaimers are IRRELEVANT.  Whose thoughts these are is IRRELEVANT.
    --j.borg                                        73 DE N5IAL
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:19:48 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>>is resharpened.  Are we ready yet to start the final assault on 
>>Morris?  He's on his knees from being knocked off Techs.   Let's
>>do him in.

>MORSE, GODDAMMIT, MORSE!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh thank you, Jay.  I've been trolling about with 'ole Morris (or Maurice
if you like) for several months since the last a, ahem, true believer
bit and corrected my (intentional) misspelling.  Somehow I figured it
might be you.  You made my day (to the extent the net could, of course.)

So guys, are we ready to slay Morris yet? :-)  

Morris or Maurice?  That is the question...

John


-- 
John De Armond, WD4OQC        | What's the difference between Jane Fonda
Rapid Deployment System, Inc. | and Bill Clinton?  Hanoi Jane went to 
Marietta, Ga                  | Viet Nam.              
jgd@dixie.com                 | Need public access in Atl?  Write me.
From: willis@cs.tamu.edu (Willis Marti)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Morris again (Re: CW "cheats")
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:21:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

In article <6329@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
[John's stuff deleted]
|> MORSE, GODDAMMIT, MORSE!!!!!!!!!!!
|> 
|> While you're doing in ham radio, at least get the names right.

What a way to encourage John -- by using language you wouldn't use on the air
(and one of the reasons why we can't auto-gateway this group).

And as for getting names right, I don't see you complaining about the use
of "no code Technician" -- since the license *is* Technician.


"No code" should refer to those hams who couldn't write or understand the
code for their packet/AMTOR/WEFAX/satellite/contest-logging software.