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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dunbar 1983 National Champ team
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:26:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz3xvv.Mzp
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>Is this the same Dunbar High School in Chicago that always loses in the 
>Public League Playoffs?

	Nope.  We're talking about Dunbar HS in Baltimore, MD.

	Actually, on a strange note, funny U would mention Dunbar HS in
	Chicago -- one of my roomates (I'll give his name on request) played
	for Dunbar HS a couple of years back.  Ask him about the coach,
	and you'll hear him rag on and on about how bad he was!

	Jazzy J

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Sprewell and the SEC
Keywords: SEC Draft
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:13:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.164440.16662@news.stolaf.edu> richarje@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (JT) writes:
>	I think that the SEC had the best (or worst, from a college standpoint)
>draft this year.  Even ignoring Shaq (something that doesn't happen often), 
>the Southeastern had several impact, potential (the P word *shudder*) 
>All-Stars -- arguably more than the ACC and Big 10.  The past few years, the 
>SEC has been of the leading coferences for good draft picks, comparable to any
> conference in the nation.  Comments?

The SEC has always had an abundance of great athletes.  In my opinion what
they've been short on is good coaches and smart players.
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaq vs. Wilt
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:00:20 GMT
	<OLIVER.92Dec15222912@ballard1.mit.edu>
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In-reply-to: oliver@athena.mit.edu's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:29:18 GMT

>>>>> "James" == James D. Oliver III <oliver@athena.mit.edu> writes:
  James> So how come they didn't outlaw the blocked shot when Russell played?

It was that crafty Red Auerbach, tricking the *entire* league. 
Seems he conned the officiating bigwigs into calling Russell's rejects
"reverse shots". Of course he missed them all, decreasing his percentage,
but it was how Russell became known as a defensive genius.

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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: Misc. HighSchool, Names etc
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:59:28 GMT

OK, how about conferences that produce pro players? The one my high school 
was in many many many moons ago, the Oklahoma 8, had teams with future 
NBA players:

Rogers: Lee Mayberry
Edison: Kevin Pritchard

on top of that, Washington, the perennial power, coninually produced major 
college players, such as Richard Dumas.

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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: 'Nother Chuck Daly success (was: Strange Lakers)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:27:27 GMT

In article <1gb77iINN8e7@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
>Something I forgot to mention about the Lakers: you can't give
>enough credit to James Edwards. A solid 13-15 minutes per game. 36
>years old, he could shoot that sweet little step-back turnaround
>of his forever. And he's taught it to Green and Divac, who used
>it to advantage against Portland. He's a smart, cagey old pro
>(remember he came in as a Laker; he actually started most of
>his rookie year - or 2nd year? - when Kareem broke his hand
>punching Kent Benson), and the best hope for guys like Vlade
>and Elden Campbell is to learn everything they can from him.
			.
			.
			.
Meanwhile, back on the East Coast, isn't the
same true for Rick Mahorn?  I have the feeling
he's contributing a *lot* this year, but haven't
seen much mention of him.
-- 

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson to Sacto
Date: 14 Dec 1992 05:04:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Glad to hear Dallas is showing some common sense in maybe not totally
wasting this pick.  If I were Sacramento, I'd make 100% sure JJ is willing
to play for themnm (Or anyone else Dallas tries to trade him to, for that
matter)...

Mike
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From: sikorski@oj.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE mia Heat @ san Spurs- 10dec
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University of Miami, RSMAS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:41:36 GMT

[I already posted the boxscore for this one, but with no game
details until now... Can I be within a week of catching up?
Oh, yeah. I'm posting some more Miami Arena RUMORs in a few
minutes too.]

mia 91, san 101   10dec92
 
(san)Robinson's pts, rbs, and assists had some scoring help
from Daniels and Ellis to send the Heat to their 6th loss in 7
games. (mia)Seikaly and Coles were high-scorers for the Heat
in the 91-101 loss.
    (mia)Salley was still out from his pulled hamstring, and
the Heat missed him: his height (6-11), his blocking (1.6/g;
2.5 per 48min), and even his allotment of fouls. The Spurs
took (mia)centers Seikaly and Geiger out with fouls, and then
let their All-Star center Robinson loose to turn a close game
into a 10pt loss for the Heat. Ten of (san)Robinson's
26pts came from the line, and by mid-Q4 he had taken as many
fts as the entire Heat team.
   In the Heat's best defensive Q1 so far this season, the
Heat held San Antonio to only 18pts. (san)Daniels, a former
Miami Tropic, was the exception shooting 4-5 while his Spurs
teammates went 2-15 in the quarter. The Spurs shot only 39pct
for the half. But thanks to (San)Robinson's roaming defense,
including 3 blocks in the half, the Heat only scored 15pts in
Q1 and had to resort to outside shooting.  Miami's bench did
their part in Q2, with scoring by Miner and Burton to help the
Heat stay within 5pts at halftime. (san)Robinson took the only
two fts of the 1st half.
   But (san)Robinson began drawing the fouls, shooting 7-7fts
in Q3. Miami trailed by only 3pts when (mia)Seikaly sat with 4
fouls midway through Q3. His backup, rookie Geiger played well
defensively, helping hold the lead down to 4pts going into Q4.
But then Geiger fouled out. (san)Robinson quickly drew
(mia)Seikaly's 5th foul in the 1st min of Q4. And the Spurs
launched an 11-2 run that Miami never recovered from.
   (mia)Seikaly totaled 16pts in the game. And Coles managed
14pts despite a sore right ankle. Long has drawn 7 offensive
fouls in the past 2 games. Rice only shot 4-10 for 8pts. And
Shaw went 0-5 from the floor.

--
Richard Sikorski     sikorski@oj.miami.edu
                   r.sikorski@rsmas.miami.edu
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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re:  Latrelle Sprewell
Keywords: Correction
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.084248.17437@leland.Stanford.EDU>, terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:


|> The story behind Sprewell is pretty amazing.  He didn't start playing
|> basketball until his senior year in high school, because he was
|> moving around a lot before then.  He played a couple of years at
|> Three Rivers Community College in Poplar Bluff, Missouri.  In high school
|> and junior college, he played forward and center with his back to the
|> basket.
|> He then transferred to Arkansas where he played 2 years.  

I have to thank Craig Meyer for pointing out that Sprewell went to
Alabama, not Arkansas.  Of course, both teams are in the SEC and both
teams begin with "A", and it's 1 o'clock in the morning, so forgive
me for being a dodo-head.  

I remember Sprewell quite well from the NCAA tournament game in
which Alabama eliminated Stanford last year.  Robert Horry, Houston's
No. 1 pick was also on that team.  By the way, Utah's David Benoit
also played with both Sprewell and Horry a couple of seasons ago.
Kind of makes you wonder why Wimp Sanderson could never get them farther
in the big tournament.

Of course, Arkansas was the team from which Milwaukee's Todd Day and
Lee Mayberry, and Phoenix's Oliver Miller, the other steal in the draft,
originate from.

Considering that Shaq is from LSU, you would have to say that
the SEC is exceedingly well represented in this year's draft.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU 
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From: ns@cbnews.cb.att.com (naresh.shah)
Subject: JJ - Dallas
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:29:55 GMT
Keywords: Jimmy Jackason

Laettner (3rd overall pick) makes $21.6m over 6 years. Let's say JJ (4th
overall pick) is worth $19.8m over 6  years, an average of $3.3m per
year. If Dallas insists on a 4-year contract, they should offer JJ
$13.2m (4 * 3.3). Here is the rationale for paying JJ based on 6-year
average of his worth (6 years being the norm for marquee picks): 

JJ turns out to be an average player:
Dallas gains over long term because even though they paid him more money
over first 4 years than Laettner/Mourning would make, they risked only
$13.2m, not $19.8m. JJ loses, as he should, because he does not have the
6-year guarantteed contract and will make less money over 6 years.

JJ turns out to be a star:
Dallas loses becuase if they can retain him, they may end up paying him
more than $19.8 over first 6 years. JJ gains, as he should, because he
will make more money than $19.8m over first 6 years by agreeing to a
more risky 4-year contract in the first place. 

For argument's sake, what's wrong with this? I don't think either side
would accept such a deal, which perhaps makes it fair enough.

- Naresh Shah	ns@cbnews.att.com
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From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Subject: Charles Barkeley in Phoenix
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:00:36 GMT


	does anyone get the impression that the trade of charles
	barkeley from philly to pheonix has overshadowed the
	superstardom role of kevin johnson or other suns players?

	....curious about your opinions...../tt300zx@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson update
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:44:48 GMT

terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>While it is understandable that Carter is taking a stand in this
>day of ridiculously inflated salaries for unproven rookies, IMHO,
>his posturing is going to be hugely detrimental to the Dallas franchise.

So, in your opinion, it is "understandable" that Carter is ruining the
Dallas franchise?

Or is it just "understandable" that he will force Jimmy Johnson -- a kid
who doesn't have even one thousandth of Carter's wealth -- to lose a year
of his career and several million dollars?



--Gidi


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From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Re: Mutumbo vs Mourning
Originator: tphili@c00398-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:46:47 GMT


I'll give LE some credit.  He held LJ to only 20 last night, but kick in 20
from Alonzo and Kendall Gill. Charlotte wins 109-100.

Oh boy, if Charlotte every got a point gaurd, then look out Chicago!


Teebu

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From: daw@kepler.unh.edu (David A White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 85-86 Celtics vs 91-92 Bulls.g
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:11:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division

In article <1992Dec15.055101.4874@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>I hear that the 85-86 Celtics had a truly awesome team. Who
>would win a seven game series between them and the 91-92
>two peat Bulls?
>I am missing several players on the 85-86 Celts roster.
>
>92 BULLS                        86 CELTICS
>Coach: Phil Jackson             Coach: ??
>
>PG: John Paxson                 PG: ??
>SG: Michael Jordan              SG: ??
>C : Bill Cartwright             C : Robert Parrish
>SF: Scottie Pippen              SF: Larry Bird
>PF: Horace Grant                PF:
>
>Bench:
>BJ Armstrong                    Bill Walton
>Scott Williams                  Kevin McHale
>Cliff Levingston
>Will Perdue
>Craig Hodges
>Stacy King
>

    Well, I can help a little with who was on the Celt back then, here goes
  
	    The best starting five of all time:

	    PG: Dennis Johnson
	    SG: Danny Ainge
	    C : Robert Parish
	    SF: Larry Bird
	    PF: Kevin McHale   (it was a started back then)

	    Bench:
		 Bill Walton
		 Jerry Sichting
		 Scott Wedman
		 Greg Kite
		 ?

    I hope this helped.........

				      -- Dave
From: mar3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL AARON RISKIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: When is Steve Smith really coming back?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:57:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Will someone please tell me when Steve Smith will return.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson update
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:03:44 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec16.143255.9457@iscsvax.uni.edu> wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford ) writes:
>     The point is, though, that there is no reason for Dallas to assume
>     the risk of said blow-out after giving JJ a heavy contract.  With
>     Laettner, the T-wolves have taken this risk.

But there is no reason for JJ not to expect a similar deal, he was picked
this high for a reason. LaPhonso Ellis was the next pick and at the time there
was considered to be a big dropoff from the top 4 picks to those taken
next. If Ellis who was not an automatic pick(that is a different team
could have taken a different player and not been wrong), had done what JJ
is doing, I would see the other side, but JJ was the automatic choice there,
I would not be surprised if Charlotte even considered him instead of Laettner
at one point.

His offer is not quite one million per year less than Laettner averages
over the length of his contract, that seems alot for a guy who is a
great player to have to sacrifice just because Dallas has decided they
do not want to sign him to a 6 year deal.


>     Giving Jackson the same avergae salary over four years means that
>     JJ could make more than, say, Laettner for four years and then go
>     out and get a big raise for the next two.  In the end, such a fair
>     deal would leave JJ making more than Laettner over six years.  And
>     all in all, there are more "questions" about JJ's big star potential
>     than about Laettner's (at least in Dallas' mind).

Which is precisely why Dallas should sign him for 6 years. Remember how
everyone thought the As were crazy to give Canseco 23.5 million for 
5 years? Now he is underpaid according to the current market. The team
(now Texas) will not have to worry about his contract  for awhile, and
Jose will have security and not need to worry about free agency for awhile.
Dallas could do the same thing, get JJs contract out of the way for 6 
years. 

I am not sure what he has asked for in the 6 year contract, but he would
probably settle for less than Laettners 21.8 million and in the long
term it would help Dallas since they would have JJ locked up for 6
years. They could build their team around him in 6 years, but with a
4 year deal, he could leave just as the rebuilding is over.




Russ Smith
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Shaq:  the next Wilt
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:52:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.42471
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1gaa5hINNam3@transfer.stratus.com>,
halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>Orlando has come back to earth after their fast start. Shaq is a
>great player, but as a team Orlando still has a ways to go.

This is all second-hand info (I didn't see the game myself), so the
info may not be 100% reliable.  But what I heard was:

Orlando lost tonight to Phoenix, 108-107.  With Orlando trailing,
108-106, with under a second to play, Shaquille went to the line to
shoot two free throws.  Made the first.  Missed the second.

He'll never be a superstar until he can learn to make those free
throws.  :^)

Tony
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From: EC0AAEF <EC0AAEF@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: BASKETBALL STUDY
Organization: Your MUSIC System
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:02:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-18003]: music.tcs.tulane.edu

I'm doing a study on the feasibility of professional basketball
in the New Orleans area.  Some of the variables that I need
to do this study seem to be fairly hard to find.  I would be
if someond could help me find the following:

  1.  Which teams made the playoffs in 87-88 through 91-92
  2.  Ticket prices for each tem for each of those years.
  3.  Arena Capacity (I have this, but my resident B-Ball
      freak tellm me the numbers are wrong for basketball
      configuration.


     THANKS


      CHARLES WAGONER


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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson update
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:44:52 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-940]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu

In article <57365@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes...
> 
>He entered the draft early because he was
>told he would be a top 5 pick, would get top 5 money, and he had nothing
>left to prove in college. Had he known what his salary offer would be, he
>may very well have opted to finish school, so in a sense the NBA lied to
>him. NBA teams love the great kids to come out early, agents love it too,
>but apparently they do not love paying them equal value.

	Who told him this?  An agent?  Leaving one situation where you know
what to expect and entering something like the draft is always a gamble.
I have no sympathy for someone if the reason he isn't happy is that he 
believed the stories that someone, with no authority to make them true, told
him.

	The option of finishing school is still open.  He can't play basketball
but that is only a minor problem.  If he re-enteres the draft next year he
is in basically the same situation as if he had never entered it before
except that he has had a much reduced chance of career ending injury then
if he had played all year.  He can sign a one year deal with a different 
league.  He won't get as much money as in the NBA but he'll be able to 
play/practice basketball and make more money then he could in school.  

Dave
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dunbar 1983 National Champ team
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:19:47 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <Bz3ty8.KMB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Are U sure the James that played on that team was THE "Spoon"
>	James that played at UNLV?  There were 3 James' that played at
>	UNLV.  The original "Spoon" James, who played in the early-mid
>	80's on those UNLV teams w/ Richie Adams, etc -- Karl "Boobie"
>	James (who I believe also went to Dunbar), who played 1-2 years
>	w/ the team, and then finished up w/ South Alabama -- and Keith
>	James (who I think is the one you're talking about) who played
>	parts of a few seasons in Vegas.  

As usual, I think Jazzy is correct. Frank "spoon" James was the older brother
of Keith and Karl. He is the first of them to play for UNLV.

I remember there was a minor controversy because he Tark and the rest of
the UNLV team refused to divulge where the nickname "spoon" came from, 
prompting the media to have a field day speculating, with cocaine being
the most common speculation.

I gotta ask, do you have an incredible library or database with all this
info Jazzy, or do you just have an unreal memory?




Russ Smith
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From: yhl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Stallion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The Bulls are Back!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 07:01:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec13.033530.4625@cs.wayne.edu> dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:
>Some say the Bulls are the best team in the history of NHL.
>
>I think the Bulls suck!
>
>If they had any brains they would try to sign Barry Sanders.

Pardon me but I thought the Bulls played in NBA and Barry Sanders played in NFL for Detroit Lions.  Are there Bulls in NHL and a player named Barry Sanders
somewhere else other than in football?

Stallion

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From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: sherman douglas
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:53:24 GMT

i heard a report that sherman douglas has been granted a "leave of
absence" from the celtics, yet, i see he played 20 minutes against
the TWolves last night.  anyone know what is going on there?

james