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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:32:52 GMT

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>But as long as we are speculating about past bowl matchups, we might
>as well note that if the bowl coalition worked like it ought to
>then Miami would not have been in the Orange Bowl in '83 either,
>since it should have been Nebraska vs. Texas for the championship.
>Unfortunately the powers that be seem reticent to correct this problem.

  Actually, Mark unfortunately is reticent to find out how the coalition
  works. It would not be Texas in the Orange Bowl because as the SWC rep
  they are forced to stay in the Cotton. That holds true for each of the
  big three coalition bowls and their committed conferences.

>snip >snip   stuff deleted

  Now we get Mark's supposition that Miami chickened out of the '91 Sugar .

>Why bother when Miami had already verbally locked in to the Orange Bowl?

>In this universe the Sugar Bowl preferred #18 Notre Dame to #1 Miami
>in 1991 and invited them instead.  In this universe, the Sugar Bowl
>would still have certainly preferred #5 Notre Dame over #1 Miami
>in 1992.

  Here Mark again tries to cloud the real facts by using the #18
  ranking. Notre Dame was invited when they still had 3 games remaining
  on their regular schedule. They only dropped to #18 after losing 2 of
  those games and almost losing the final game at Hawaii !

  I'd sure like to see any kind of proof that Miami was invited to the
  Sugar Bowl after the 1991 season - it just didn't happen.

  I wonder if FSU fans will be accused of ducking the undefeated Aggies
  in the Cotton Bowl this year and that is why poor Notre Dame had to 
  play there.

  As for Marks last sentence above - I don't know if the Sugar would
  have invited ND again this year. But I do know that the Bowl Coalition
  forced them to invite the #1 ranked Hurricanes and that's how it 
  should be.

Justin Frederich

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:55:52 GMT

In article <C0EpKK.6nL@encore.com>
jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> > The crowd is only one part of the home field advantage, and Alabama
> > certainly enjoyed a less partisan crowd in the Sugar Bowl than 
> > Miami gets in the Orange Bowl.
>
>Wrong !  If you read the NO Times Picayune(sp) the next day, Alabama
>	 players were quoted as saying that this was a 'home game just
>	 like in Tuscaloosa or Birmingham'.

I'm sure the players felt right at home.  After all, New Orleans is a
wonderful Southern town.  I imagine the Miami players would feel right
at home if the Sugar Bowl were played in New York City. :-)

> I am saddened that some Cane fans have responded to all the Alabama
> posts with crappy remarks but also can't believe the venom that has 
> spewed non-stop about the Sugar Bowl.

Well, the venom isn't limited to the net.  I've been a contractor in St.
Louis for six months.  Many people have made comments to me about the
game.  Some of them don't even know me, but notice my Bama shirt or
Bama-related articles on my cubicle.  Some are Stallings fans from his
Cardinal days, but most are just glad to see Miami get beat and make
comments like "glad to see those blowhards taught a lesson".

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Seminoles Victorious
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:56:01 GMT

In article <frank-040193103803@sps156.lds.loral.com> frank@lds.loral.com (Ron Frank) writes:

   As for next year, I dread seeing the 'Noles picked in the pre-season as
   Number One.  Very few teams have been able to hang on to such an honor by
   the end of the season.  And when you consider FSU's schedule (the ACC plus:
   Miami, Notre Dame and Florida), the odds are against them.

fsu's schedule is tough(!), but consider what an unbeaten, or even
once-beaten record against this schedule will do for them!

and how about bama vs. fsu in a kick-off classic of some sort?  (actually, i
think fsu can't because of the pre-season game against byu last year and
ncaa rules about being in pre-season games more than once every 3 or 4
years, but it would be interesting.  bama/nd wouldn't be bad either!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: FSU finally finishes ahead of Miami
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:11:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.133718.13990@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
> 
> Well, disappointing as it was for FSU not to win the MNC this year, it is
> very satisfying to finish ahead of them in the polls!  FSU has 6 straight
> top 4 finishes and until this year we have always finished behind Miami.
> But not this year!!
> 
> By the way, is it too early to ask the pollsters to NOT make FSU the
> preseason #1 next year?  Give that "honor" (read target on chest) to Bama!

Not likely.  Although Bama is pretty well stocked with talent, they lose
a lot of experience, not to mention heart and soul, to graduation.  Among
the defenders graduating are Curry, Copeland, and George Teague.  Antonio
Langham was a junior this year, but he may come out early, too.  Bama's
offense, anemic as it was during large portions of the year, loses most of
their best, too (their two best playes, IMHO, tight end Steve Busky and
fullback Martin Houston, not to mention Derrick Lassic and 3 or 4 of the
top 6 or 7 in the offensive line rotation).  Of course, if next year's
schedule looks like this year's, they'll have 6 or 7 games to patch the
holes and gain experience before they're seriously challenged.  Of course,
the Birmingham press is already promoting them as the New Dynasty.

I went through the starting lineups for Alabama and Auburn before the
Iron Bowl, and while I don't remember the exact numbers, Bama was
starting 5-7 seniors on both sides of the ball.  Auburn was starting
3 on offense and 2 on defense, so Auburn should be pretty strong next
year (before the effects of getting our butts whipped in recruiting by
Bama, Georgia, Florida, and Florida State the last 2 years start showing
up the following year).  Too bad we probably won't be able to go bowling
next year; hope we're eligible for the conference championship, though.

Larry Owen
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND not worthy
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:30:14 GMT
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In <C0C25G.7t0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu writes:

> Gee, I thought Notre Dame was not a worthy opponent
> of Texas A&M; but what was I thinking?  I would think
> if Notre Dame was not worthy then at least Texas A&M
> would beat the Irish, or at least score a touchdown.

  Point of order:  No Aggie claimed ND was unworthy -- We just wanted the 
highest-ranked team available, FSU.  Had we gotten our wish, the score may have
been even worse...

  IMO, we lost this game partly for the same reason we lost last year's: our
OC cannot seem to realize that when play 1 works and play 2 does not, RUN PLAY
1!!!  Mighta made a game of it, at least.

> Then to top it all of and make my New Year's Day the
> best since January 1, 1989; Miami got beat by
> Alabama!!

  That did help.  Honestly, I thought:  Blowout = Miami win
				  	Close   = Alabama win

> But I guess all you experts in rec.sport.football.college
> are so much more knowledgeable than me.

  No, just more polite.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Michigan's Bowl Record  (Was  Miami's Humiliation)
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1993Jan6.231534.19875@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:56:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.231534.19875@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:

  > In article <6JAN199312202160@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (
   >Ron Morris ) writes:
   >>Alan Harder writes....
   >>>Then you must not have seen Michigan play any bowl games during the
   >>>last 15 years.  They have the sorriest excuse for a bowl record ever.
   >>
   >> [...]
   >>
   >>The general perception
   >>that Michigan is a lousy bowl team is just flat wrong.  It's bad enough
   >>that we have to put up with this stuff from the Michigan haters, but
   >>now this guy who claims to be a Michigan fan is pulling it.  Do me a
   >>favor, pal.  Go root for the greenies.

Well, I don't just *claim* to be be a Meeechigan fan, I've been a
died-in-the-wool Wolverweenie since I was in Maize and Blue diapers.
My father decided to train me to Go Blue by feeding me blue food
coloring (Unfortunately it came out green, so we gave up on that
experiment d;^)). I grew up just northeast of Detroit (that's De
TROIT, not DEE troit, thank you, Goobers), and attended UM for 5
years, earning two degrees.  I currently work and live in Ann Arbor.

I think I qualify as a UM fan.  And now as to the question of our bowl
record.  Simply stated, I've been disappointed so many times, that the
victories are very memorable.  I fully expect to lose, so that a
victory seems all the more sweet.  I'm not sure what the UM bowl
record is during the last 10-15 years, exactly, but my perception is
that it's lousy.  Does anyone have the real stats?  I'll take it back
if someone can prove me wrong.  Oh, and I'd love to take it back.

As for rooting for the greenies, I do when they're not playing Michigan.

>No, no, Alan! Root for the Buckeyes! You can crack on the team and talk 
>about how lousy we play in bowls and -- here's the best part --*everyone will 
>think you're being a great fan!* And for bonus points, **insult the coach!**
>I have to admit that I've been a typical griping OSU fan for the last 
>three years. But I'm in recovery now and I'm making progress. [If I were a 
>guest on Donahue, this is where the applause would kick in. :-)]

>					   Steve
>
>       Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Well, Steve, you make me ashamed.  If a TOSU fan can stop griping
about his team, ANYONE can.  I hearby vow to change my ways, and stop
griping about Michigan's bowl record, taxes, Alabama fans woofing on
Miami fans, J. Exby, my raise, Steve Fisher, other drivers, basketball
officiating, the war on drugs, gum stuck under desks, movie critics,
and Woody Hayes.  There, that's enough fodder for several talk shows!



-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Bama, FSU... :)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 93Jan4024401@dante.nmsu.EDU, jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:
>
>Hey congrats to Bama...I was rooting for Miami cuz they beat FSU...
>and if Miami won...it would only make FSU look better. :)
>
>But, seriously....Bama played really well... Not taking anything
>away from the last statement...but lets face the facts....Miami
>played about as well as Houston Oilers did against Buffalo in
>the 2nd Half....
>
>Finally...NOLES....good job. :)  Even in fog....I was impressed. :)
>Will '93 be the year to BE or NOT to BE...that is the question. :)

That wasn't fog they were playing in at Miami, that was HARD rain!

>
>					JCHO@nmsu.edu
>
>ps Yeah I held myself all last season from blasting some of
>the Pac-10 folks about their so-called "best conference".  I
>am just glad they got a humbling... :)  But, hey don't listen
>to my jabber...I'm from New Mexico. :)
>




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: A Quick Reminder
Keywords: woofwoof
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:09:28 GMT

Just wanted to post this to remind those who said Miami was invincible
of their folly.

And remember, when Bear Bryant (who, of course, sits at the right hand
of God :-) asks you at the pearly gates about these misstatements, just
say you were blinded by the media hype and he'll probably let you into
heaven anyway.


-rob


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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:53:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Hi.  Wow, what an exiting game that was!  Their is no doubt that Alabama
is the
best team in college football this year.  

My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?

GT
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Suggestion to the NCAA
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:49:29 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
}
}These are big boys, not children. They're old enough to think and 
}decide things for themselves. They don't deserve such a saftey
}net - the rest of the student body doesn't get anything remotely
}like it!

Are you nuts?  When I was at school on an academic scholarship, I could
go anywhere and talk to anyone about a job with *no chance* of losing
my scholarship "eligibility".  The rest of the student body gets 
something *exactly* like this proposal: they get freedom to choose.
You know, the type of freedom upon which this country is based.

However, the proposal to let players retain their eligibility while
testing the draft waters which the college coaches are considering this
week is not motivated by a belief in freedom of choice.  The motive
of the coaches is a bit more cynical - namely to make the NFL squads
think twice about drafting underclassmen.  If an underclassman 
declares for the draft under the proposed system, teams will be
very hesitant to use picks past the first round or two on him
for fear of losing their pick altogether.

For this reason I doubt the college presidents will be too keen
on the idea.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Reply-To: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:58:03 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan5.173554.20420@Princeton.EDU>, Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.224950.2833@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave,
|> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
|> >In article <ASH.93Jan4144721@ulysses.mr.ams.com> Alan Harder,
|> >ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com writes:
|> >>Come on, people, leave those poor 'canes fans alone.  Yeah, they were
|> >>overconfident, and yes, they talked trash, and ok, they didn't give
|> >>Alabama any respect.  And yes, they deserve to eat huge mounds of
|> >>crow, and sure, Gino didn't deserve the Heisman.  But are those good
|> >>reasons to pick on them now?
|> >
|> >After watching the Canes players talk trash, brag, taunt, walk out of
|> >social gatherings, and commit other childish unsportsmanlike conduct
|> >over the last few years, I say this thumping is sweet as honey. Maybe
|> >now they will climb under a rock with their traps shut for awhile.
|> 
|> FAT CHANCE, I think one loss in two years is nothing to shut a trap about!
|> 
	Ah, my friend,  it was THE game you lost and how you lost it.
	you were creamed? wouldn't you agree?
|> >It is nice to have a classy national champion again.
|> >
|> >Norman
|> 
|> Go cry somewhere else Norm!
|> 
|> I wish everyone would wake up and realize that the reason they behave in
|> that way is to make people mad and lose their concentration and
|> eventually their confidence.  Also will anyone argue that the 'Canes
|> don't have anything to be cocky or arrogant about?  They have dominated
|> college football for ten years like few others ever have.  As I said in
|> another post, I can eat crow once every two years.
|> 
	Yes, I'll agree that Miami has dominated of late, but just remember
	Bama has been at it a REAL long time and ...
			WE'RE  BA-ACK !!!!!
|> Just think, if ND, USC, Bama, or any other "classy" team ever took this
|> kind of verbal beating every time they lost, their teams would be dead by
|> now.
	Bama was taking bashing back when we used to beat you guys for
	homecoming worse that we beat you on NYD !!!!
|> 
|> Bring on the bashing, but as touchdown Jesus said "let he who is without
|> loss cast the first flame"
|> 
	Well, Bama IS without loss this year therefore we CAN flame !!! 8^)
	
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Smiley instructions:  Was Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:59:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.192423.18310@infonode.ingr.com> tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.150236.375@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
> |> In article <1993Jan5.185017.15950@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
> |> 
> |> >|> Alabama!!   You better hope we don't see you in the Sugar Bowl next year!
> |> >|> 
> |> >|> ;7)
> 	my remarks had nothing to do with your smiley, which, by the way
> 	when used with the semi-colon instead of a colon, pun intended 8)
> 	is normally used as sarcasm.

I've spent the last 6 years investigating this phenomena known as the 
"Smiley."  Using a colon means you have 2 beady eyes, that's all.
The semi-colon, however, means one eye has just winked, which changes
the whole thing to a Winky.  With a Winky, picture that the author 
tells you something and then winks.  Maybe sarcasm, maybe inside information,
maybe just a tease.  Using a 7 as a nose means you have a big, pointy nose.
Using a caret ^ means you have a nice, prominent nose.  Using an 8 for the
eyes means you have big, expressive eyes or maybe you're bug-eyed.
A ) smile is the normal smile.  A ( changes the whole thing to a Frowny;
definitely hurts the author to write it.  Capping the whole thing off with
a d (baseball cap) means you're sporty or casual in your statement.
Not using a nose, such as in :) means you have a little pinhead with the
eyes scrunched down.   In all cases you must view the characterization
by first pinning your left ear onto your left shoulder.  Failure to do
this removes anything you might learn from the whole thing.  Next time,
know what you're talking about.    d;^).



-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Big East Review: WEST VIRGINIA
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:46:36 GMT


West Virginia in 1992:  Fit to be Tied.

WVU tied their first game against lightly regarded Miami of Ohio.
Then came a nice run of victories over Pitt, Maryland, and VTech.
Another tie, but to a ranked BC team, catapulted the Mountaineers
into the top 25 in most polls.  The early-season successes buoyed
their hopes as they entered the "3-in-a-row from Hell."
Losses to Syracuse, Penn State, and Miami (the real one), coupled
with the two ties, left WVU needing to close their season with 3 wins
to qualify for a bowl bid.  They got the first one against East
Carolina, but the Revenuers of Rutgers turned off their
steam.  The Mountaineers ended the season dumping Louisiana Tech
for a winning (barely) season.  The final tally of 5-4-2 showed
a tie may not be a loss, but it's not a win either, and you need 6
of those to qualify for a bowl bid.

Don Nehlen, the senior head coach in the Big East, is now 92-55-4
with the 'eers.  He may just as soon forget this year (and the previous two).


Good News:

1.  A thorough pasting of the hated Pitt Panthers (44-6, AT Pitt)

2.  An ability to score, even with an unsettled QB situation.
Nehlen's gang scored 17, 26, and 23 against the 3 from Hell;
only Rutgers held them under 10.

3.  Another fine season for RB Adrian Murrell (my pre-season
pick for the Heisman) 1,145 yards, 6 TDs.


Bad News:

1.  Those ugly ties.

2.  A Big East Conference record of 2-3-1 doesn't look good.

3.  Nehlen has put out three straight mediocre teams.  If it wasn't
for the Major Harris years of '88 and '89 it's around 10 years of
mediocrity.  Recruiting is down and fans/alums are getting restless.


                1992    1991    1990    1989    1988    1987    1986
West Virginia   5-4-2   6-5     4-7     8-3-1   11-1    6-6     4-7   


These are all Don Nehlen' years.
-- 
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How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
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                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mujtaba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: RECRUITING:Texas/Texas A&M
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:36:25 GMT
Reply-To: mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mujtaba)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: mujtaba@happy.cc.utexas.edu