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From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Progressive tournament
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:34:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep26.223427.15877
Distribution: rec
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <THO.92Sep26230319@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi>
tho@tik.vtt.fi (Timo Honkela) writes:
>     1. f4
>     2. Nh6 d5
>     3. e4 d4 Ke2 (free space for the king!)
>     4. Mate in 4

dxe4 Ng4 Qxd4 Qf2#.  Evidently White's Ke2 didn't work.
More interesting question: why did Black play Nh6 as opposed to Nf6?

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jonathan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jonathan Schaeffer)
Subject: Re: chinook-tinsley
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:28:38 GMT

epstein@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Paul Epstein) writes:

>What happened in this world championship checkers match?
Tinsley won 4 games, Chinook won 2 and there were 33 draws.
Given that Chinook forfeited game 18, and lost game 39 while
trying to win a drawn position to tie the match, the result
was much closer than the final score portrays.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mann@src.dec.com (Tim Mann)
Subject: Re: GNUCHESS for Windows
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 04:59:46 GMT


There is no later version for Windows than 3.21.  Unfortunately this
version diverged from the Unix-based GNU Chess, so current work on GNU
Chess 4.0 has not benefitted it.

However, I've been running 3.21 since I recently got a DEC PC laptop,
and I haven't seen any problems after either mating it or being mated.
I just select New from the File menu and I'm off on a new game.  (I
have occasionally seen a bug where it thinks it is black's move after
New, though.  A workaround is to select White from the Side menu, then
hit backspace and make your move if you wanted to have White.)  

I volunteer to collect bug reports on 3.21 in case I or someone else
gets interested in merging the 3.21 Windows interface into the 4.0
main line.  (Don't post them to rec.games.chess; mail to me or post to
gnu.chess.)  Can you provide more detail on this bug so I can
reproduce it?

	--Tim
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From: hwr@intercal.com (Hanon W. Russell)
Subject: Chess Chow
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:23:01 GMT


                            CHESS CHOW
                      August-September 1992

The most recent issue of "Chess Chow," edited by American 
Grandmaster Joel Benjamin has the articulate Yale graduate 
contributing the bulk of the material for this 48+ page edition. 
Most of the reporting concerns the American team's participation 
in the 1992 Manila Olympiad, where it finished fourth behind 
Russia, Uzbekistan and Armenia.

The report takes up about two-thirds of this issue, but it is 
worth it. Benjamin takes the reader through the trials and 
tribulations of each round, presenting many games, discussing 
them from an analytical view and their impact on the match and 
tournament as a whole. It is delightful reading. There is also 
the occasional interesting photograph, to wit, the "pirate" 
Viktor Korchnoy (p. 31), the stern Eingorn looking very much 
like a pudgy Henrique Mecking (p. 32) and is that veteran actor 
James Woods or Soviet Champion Artushes Minasian (p. 24)?

The Men's Olympiad report is followed by a much shorter account 
of the Women's Olympiad, a look at the World Open and 
entertaining dabblings in this, that and other things. It is 
surely another entertaining issue. The only question remain how 
long one of America's strongest and most active grandmasters can 
continue to contribute the quantity and quality of material he 
does.

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Budapest gambit
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.060109.11093@klaava.Helsinki.FI> mkukkone@klaava.Helsinki.
FI (Mika Kukkonen) writes:
>>Is anybody willing to give any opinions on this rarer version of the
>>Budapest Gambit 1 d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. de Ne4?  Otto Borik recently wrote
>>a book on the Budapest claiming that this opening is o.k.
>>I'd be interested to hear what people think of it.
>
>From my experience (and few games I have seen) 4.a3! refutes whole line.
>I can dig up few games with this line, if you are interested.

Yes, Mika is right ... 4.a3 is the beginning of some lines
which are very bad for black.  4.Qc2 also is the beginning of
a "refutation."  4.Nf3 lines also lead to good positions
for white.  BUT - just knowing the above info is like just
knowing a little karate - it's just enough knowledge to get
your ass kicked!

The Fajarawicz *should* be bad for black if White follows up
correctly.  How often do you think that's going to happen
though?  That depends on who you are playing.  GMs obviously
don't play it, but others can.

Just try it.  Don't shy away just because 4.a3! refutes it!

-Mark
From: miklas@thorogood.rutgers.edu (Keith Miklas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: mirror, mirror on the board...
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:30:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

suppose that you are playing a novice who is quite an inexperienced
chessplayer.  He knows that you are a superior player, and decides to
mirror each and every one of your moves.  What's the best strategy to
play against this person?

(ps don't play the stonewall! :)
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Standardized Notations for Xiangqi
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:03:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCnEF.425
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

In article <1992Sep29.045938.7057@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY) writes:
>
>Notation       Full            Han-yu-pinyin
>    C         Cannon               Pao
>    H         Horse                Ma
>    A         Assistant            Si
>    R         Rook/Chariot         Ju
>    G         General              Jiang
>    E         Elephant             Xiang
>    S         Soldier              Bing
>
>    +        Moving a piece forward   
>    -        Moving a piece backward
>    =        Moving a piece along the horizontal
>

what are the +,-,= for?  so if my first move is right elephant to right edge,
is my move E++== (?)
what if I wanted to centralize an elephant? What would the notation be?
E++== could also be moving left elephant to center.
I assume coordinates are used for identifying the piece being moved.
They should also be used for the target square.
Coordinates would be 1-9 for files, and a-j for ranks.
so left elephant to center would be Ea3c5 or simply E35
since that could only be one move.

What about notation for Siamese (bughouse) chess?
I heard about a magazine about Siamese chess.  What notation
do they use for that? If a standardized form is developed,
a Siamese Chess Server would be possible. 

     
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: M.W.Juned@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Subject: Re: Which is the best chess program for a PC?
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:31:29 GMT



 	I haven't really heard that much about GM chess but apparently the 
ChessMachine is currently the best PC chess game around - by a long way.
It has an official rating of 2400 ELO which I think is about 2500 USCF (2450?) 
but costs a bomb as it has its own co-processor which plugs in the back.
Mephisto seem to be using the program in one of their machines but due to 
licensing laws are not allowed to sell it in the U.S.
			Mik.
From: CAPSA <capsa@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: 25 Sep 92 22:34 PDT
Subject: Re: How can we assess Fischer's str
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep24.192821.593@midway.uchi:1666216665:cdp:1451600048:000:283
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Sep 25 22:34:00 1992


Hear!  Hear! to Kenneth Sloan's response.  However, I DO wish he had not credited Fischer with one of the OLDEST lamentations in the history of chess competition (that is, "I've never beaten a healthy man.")  This tritism was common in the
19th century.

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
From: engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Standardized Notations for Xiangqi (LOOKING AHEAD)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:13:57 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

William Chang at Cold Spring Harbor Lab (wchang@phage.cshl.org) wrote:
: Same with most other pieces.  But what happens when three or more 
: soldiers/pawns sit on the same file? 
: 
That's a valid question. Seriously, I have not given much thought to it.
However, in the games that I have played in the past few years, I have
not come across this situation yet. Maybe a special note can be made if
you ever encounter this situation.


: There's really only one way to do this.  Please publish some positions
: or games/analyses (with graphics, in each of these notations).  The choice 
: 
For your info, I am considering posting a game per week starting from
this week. However, to the large number of postings in this group, do
you think it is feasible for us to set up a rec.games.xiangqi group?

: but more importantly there's a rich vocabulary of tactics (similar to 
: chess openings) that must be translated.  These allusions and compressions
: are poetic phrases carrying cultural/historical context, and are to a large 
: extent what makes the game (indeed the Chinese language) so interesting!  
: A typical attack LOOKS AHEAD TWENTY MOVES, but only a few tactical steps:
: if such and such then "double chariots through the heart"; if so and so 
: then "canons behind the cavalry"; etc.  
: 
: I'm sure you hadn't planned to deal with this whole can of worms :-) 
: but you might want to propose such a project, and in this context 
:
You are right. There are a large number of xiangqi jargons which are
quite  difficult to be translated to English. Unlike International Chess
which adopt the opening from the city/person which/who started the move,
xiangqi usually has the opening named after the piece and the starting
file/ending file . My friend who is working in the committee for this
project has come out with quite a comprehensive list of such jargon.(to
be approved by Asian Xiangqi Federation). I  have not met him yet but I
will post this list to the group as soon as I received it.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,sci.math
From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Subject: Re: A different variant of chess (infinite board) 
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:25:39 GMT

Chess on an infinte board is a very uninteresting game, because checkmates
are virtually impossible.  Most checkmates work by crowding the opposing
king into a real or virtual corner (a virtual corner is formed using
an edge and other pieces in place of the other edge).  On an infinite
board there are no edges so producing the necessary corner in almost
impossible.  In fact the only mate I can think of is the obvious
mate involving 2 rooks and the queen:

R
 Q     K
  R

--
Mark Biggar
mab@wdl1.wdl.loral.com

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,sci.math
From: mrw9e@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Michael Robert Williams)
Subject: Re: A different variant of chess
Summary: How about a finite but unbounded board?
Keywords: Chess,sphere,connected surface
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:45:16 GMT

This variation of chess sounds very interesting. I thought up a variation
also that I think might be interesting to play, but it's much more
restictive than the "infinite plane" suggestion. 

Try this: map the regular chess board onto the surface of a sphere in a sort
of inverse Mercator projection, so that the back lines would form a ring
about each 'pole', and the pawns would form a ring around the back 'line'.
You could probably play this version on a regulation board by allowing
pieces to exit from one side of the board and enter on the opposite.

Actually, you could probably map the chess board onto any kind of singly-
connected surface and not distort the rules of play *too* much, but a
multiply-connected surface might be fun to try also.
 

In Real Life: Mike Williams      | Perpetual Grad Student
e-mail      : mrw9e@virginia.edu | -It's not just a job, it's an indenture.
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jeff@econ.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Subject: Fischer-Spassky game 15:  bewilderment
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:43:54 GMT


	Could anybody who thinks they understand the strange finish in
today's game post some analysis explaining the drawn outcome?

	Could Fischer have played Rxe3 instead of taking the bishop on
f3 ?  ( I can't remember the move number right now, but the game went
Qa3 Bxf3 and Fischer took the bishop with his f-pawn.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Articles on computer chess
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:34:13 GMT

In article <0eoCAWO00WB8FHylla@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeff Sokolov <sokolov+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I am looking for a recent article reviewing computer chess programs,
>especially anything comparing human and computer chess players.
>Although I will settle for a review of some techniques used by
>the current generation of computer programs.  Any pointers would
>be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff (sokolov@andrew.cmu.edu)

If you are looking for info on the commercial chess programs, forget it.
This has been a complaint of mine for years....  All of us involved in the
"research chess programs" have published details regularly.  The commercial
development groups act as "sinks" for chess information, but never as a
"source."  IE, I like to think of them as informational black holes... nothing
ever escapes them and gets to the public domain.... a classic one-way
street.

If you are interested in Deep Thought, HiTech and Cray Blitz, the Springer-
Verlag book "Computers, Chess and Cognition" edited by Tony Marsland and
Jonathan Schaeffer (1991 or so) is a good choice.  It has detailed info on
these programs plus a bunch of other things related to computer chess as
well.  Older books include the classic "Chess Skill in Man and Machine" 
which contains the description of the famous Chess 4.x program of Slate and
Atkin.  This served as the basic blueprint for modern computer chess
programs..... it is still good reading.  David Welsh thru the Brown publishing
company wrote "Computer Chess" and "Computer Chess II" both of which contain
useful data.

Bob Hyatt

-- 
!Robert Hyatt                    Computer and Information Sciences   !
!hyatt@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham !
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Youngest GM/IGM?
From: fry@boucher.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:33:39 EDT
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <5156@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gpkatch@alcor.concordia.ca (Gary Katch) writes:
>Last night, my trivia team and I [*] were poised to win, and the
>critical question was about chess.  A collective team sigh was
>released, since yours truly is considered (by them) to be very
>knowledgable on this subject.  Anyway, the question was:  "In
>1970 he became the youngest person to attain the title of
>International Grandmaster."  Multiple choice answers were Karpov,
>Fischer, Kasparov, Spassky and one other.
>
>Now I know that Fischer was the youngest GM.  This was recently
>discussed in this very newsgroup when we were all wondering
>if Judit Polgar would break that record.  So, brimming with
>confidence, I confidently chose Fischer.

Fischer became a GM in 1958 (or he earned his title then, maybe it was
awarded later), and is the youngest.  I think Judit Polgar earned her
GM title before she was 16 as well, but I guess she was still older
than Bobby.

But the source of this 1970 business: on the eve of the
Karpov-Korchnoi match in Milan, the New York Times Sunday Magazine had
a profile of Karpov in which it stated he was the youngest GM ever (I
was very upset by this error at the time!).  I think he became a GM in
1970, and I conjecture that whoever wrote that trivia question read
that NYT article.  Or maybe I have the order of precedence reversed.

In any case, the question is definitely wrong.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: F-S II game 12 Spassky wins - moves
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:43:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.173624.15979@husc3.harvard.edu> fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:
>
>In other news, the Hungarian news agency MTI is reporting that talks
>are underway for a possible match between Fischer and Judit Polgar.
>Fischer has not commented on this, but MTI says that Polgar's father
>said talks have been going on for months.
>

You mean, FISCHER would play a WOMAN and a JEW ?
What if he loses to those 'inferior species' or whatever he consideres them?
Will he then kill himself? Will he finally shut up?

	Sven
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S II game 14 moves 1-25
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:18:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct3.151831.16046
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department


As of 18:36 GMT
   Spassky Fischer
   (White) (Black)
   1. d4 d5
   2. c4 dxc4
   3. Nf3 Nf6
   4. e3 e6
   5. Bxc4 c5
   6. O-O a6
   7. dxc5 Qxd1
   8. Rxd1 Bxc5
   9. b3 b5
   10. Be2 Bb7
   11. Bb2 Nbd7
   12. Nbd2 O-O
   13. Rac1 Rfc8
   14. h3 Kf8
   15. Kf1 Ke7
   16. Ne1 Bd6
   17. a4 Bc6
   18. axb5 axb5
   19. Rc2 Rc7
   20. Rdc1 Rac8
   21. Bf3 Bxf3
   22. Ndxf3 e5
   23. Rxc7 Rxc7
   24. Rxc7 Bxc7
   25. Nc2 Ne4
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Minimal notation (Was: What is this notation? Smythescript?)
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:45:21 GMT

Steven J. Edwards writes:

	Concerning Smythescript, I wonder if the self named 
	"The Ace and Deuce of Programming" could be a few 
	cards short of a full deck.

Or is it that Mr Edwards' funny-bone is in dire need of a marrow
transplant?

						Fido
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer-Kasparov Dec 1993?
Date: 3 Oct 1992 13:44:11 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Oct3.123503.10310@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> But Fischer will have to play a lot better than this to make the
>> match respectable.

>> ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *** ****
>> Eric Schiller                              schiller@sapir.uchicago.edu
>> Dept of Linguistics, Univ. of Chicago      schiller@whorf.uchicago.edu


>not only will Bobby's play be "respectable", i think he will do
>to Kasparov what he did to everybody back in the early 70's...
>crush their egos to the point where they were never quite the
>same.

>and while we're at it, i'm among the folks out here who are fed
>up with all the Bobby bashing. comments from people like, "he's 
>playing like he's rated 1600..." etc.

>hey, anybody can come up with a flawless game when it's adjourned and
>and army of seconds go over it! it's a different matter when you have
>to sit at the board for 7 hours by yourself and not make any mistakes.
>this is what will separate the men from the boys.

I suppose if it weren't for fans (short for "fanatics") there
wouldn't be any money in any sport of game.  And loyalty is a
wonderful thing.  But there's something to be said for realism,
too.

Fischer's performance in the Candidates' Matches was spectacular.
After he beat Taimanov 6-0, expert opinion was on the order of
"But he won't do that to Larson.  Larson is among the best in the
world."  Fischer was beyond serious comparison with his contempories.

Kasparov and Karpov are considerably better than any of Fischer's 
contempories were, though.  Possibly better even than Fischer was
then.  And the Fischer we're seeing in this match simply is not
playing the kind of chess that beat Taimanov and Larson without so
much as a draw.  Maybe he still has it in him.  Maybe he will play
himself into shape.  And maybe he will take his money and disappear.

These are interesting times for chess.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: F-S II game 15 moves 1-22
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:41:36 GMT
Organization: Harvard Math Department


As of 18:10 GMT
   Fischer Spassky
   (White) (Black)
   1. c4 e6
   2. Nf3 Nf6
   3. g3 d5
   4. Bg2 Be7
   5. 0-0 O-O
   6. d4 Nbd7
   7. Nbd2 b6
   8. cxd5 exd5
   9. Ne5 Bb7
   10. Ndf3 Ne4
   11. Bf4 Ndf6
   12. Rc1 c5
   13. dxc5 bxc5
   14. Ng5 Nxg5
   15. Bxg5 Ne4
   16. Bxe7 Qxe7
   17. Bxe4 dxe4
   18. Nc4 e3
   19. f3 Rad8
   20. Qb3 Rfe8
   21. Rc3 Bd5
   22. Rfc1 g6
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY)
Subject: Standardized Notations for Xiangqi
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:59:38 GMT


I'm glad to know there are many Xiangqi (or Chinese Chess as it is more
commonly known) enthusiasts out there in the Net. However, before I post any
Xiangqi games to the group, let me briefly explain the notations I will be
using.

In a move to standardize Xiangqi notations and internationalize this great
game, the Asian Xiangqi Federation have appointed a committee from Singapore
to work out a set of notations for use in recording the games. This committee,
whose members happen to be my friends, have come out with the following set of
notations:(to be approved by the Asian Xiangqi Federation)

Notation       Full            Han-yu-pinyin
    C         Cannon               Pao
    H         Horse                Ma
    A         Assistant            Si
    R         Rook/Chariot         Ju
    G         General              Jiang
    E         Elephant             Xiang
    S         Soldier              Bing

    +        Moving a piece forward   
    -        Moving a piece backward
    =        Moving a piece along the horizontal

I believe that different Xiangqi Federations from Europe/U.S. use different
notations and these lead to much confusion. If any of you have been using a
different notation from mine, I would like to hear from you. Hopefully, all of
us will adopt this notation in posting the games to the group in future.