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From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying
Organization: CRI, institute for telecommunication and computerservices.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:07:29 GMT

In article <pebi.727634870@zephyr.aem.umn.edu> pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes:
>jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>
>>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>>>In Germany, where there are even fewer restrictions on importing cars than in the US
>>>>(no quota, no extra taxes on light trucks), Japanese cars are almost as successful as
>>>>they are in the US. 
>
>>>I don't think so; I have the figures in the library, but I seem to remember
>>>that Japanese car market share in Germany is at best in the low teens %,
>>>while in the US is in the upper twenties or low thirties...
>
>>Until January 1, 1992 there were extreme limitations on Japanese
>>imports into Germany, so I would be really surprised if in the last
>>year they've managed that much penetration.
>
>>jim frost
>>jimf@centerline.com
>
>Can you guys check your statements and give some sources before you post?
>I can remember that the japanese Imports into Germany a couple of years 
>ago were around 15%. I don't think that got worse for the Japanese. The
>cars are quite popular over there. Other countries like Italy and France
>have very stringent quotas. I hardly saw japanese cars in Italy.
>>> Hear Hear , Germany has absolutely no limits  on imports as do most 
>>> European countries , the exception are France and Italy , the 15%
>>> is about right it varies per country , in the forseable future France
>>> Italy will be forced to lift their import duties ( by The EEC commision)
>>> on free trade , i just wish it would be reciproke in Japan ...........
>>> some of these quotes from you american guys regarding the European
>>> car market are very ill informed ....
cheers
>
>Peter
>
From: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:43:04 GMT
Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwest Citroen Owners Club

>My least favorite car these days has got to be the Chevy Caprice
>(and the Buick Roadmaster and the Cadillac Fleetwood)
>
>The design is just completely IRRESPONSIBLE.
>
>Ken

I agree that the mechanical design aspects of these vehicles needs alot of updating,
but I find the body styling to be one of the best being offered by Detroit! 

So what is it about the Caprice/Roadmaster that offends so many of you?  The older
square bodied Caprice was a horrible styling exercise (any 3 year old can design a car
using 3 cubes as  a model!), but the new one actually has some flair!  In a country
where individuality is supposedly a cherished element, I am surprised that more of
you wouldn't think the current Caprice is a noble effort on the part of GM to
stand out from the crowd!  If it weren't for the antiquated drivetrain and excessive
price, I would probably buy one.


Roland
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:10:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:

>>Actually, that's not a bad example.  A recent CR rated the Probe GT and the
>>MX-6 LS in the same article.  As for repair ratings, they characterized the 
>>past years' models of the Probe as "worse than average" but of the MX-6 as 
>>"better than average".  Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure somebody will [-:),
>>but even in 1992 and previous, weren't they the SAME DAMN PLATFORM with the
>>EXACT SAME MOTORS?!?!

Actually, CR mades a lot of mistakes (no one's perfect).  For example, if
you look at GMC and Chevy pickups, one as good brakes, but one has bad.
But they are the same truck.  Or the Corvette.  IT is rated as average for
body rust.  This makes no sence, since it can't rust, it is fiberglass.

If you look carefully at the CR statistics, you will see that there is only
a 2 or 3 percent difference between each of the ratings (ie. average to
better than average).  This is on the level of statistical noise.   SO
unless there is a big difference (ie. from much better than average to 
better than average) results from CR are meaningless.

 
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cyrus Shafai                        <cshafai@ee.umanitoba.ca>
The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Worst Car Award
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:15:49 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)

This should generate some healthy debate...


John
zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Q: how do i know if i need a new catalytic converter?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:01:11 GMT

In article <C1J9zD.31G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chintan Amin) writes:

>Uh, Kenneth, did you ever think that maybe the Government of the owner's
>state has an eye out for the safety and health of not just the planet, but
>the states residents?

If the law is for the "safety and health" (more on that fallacy later) of
its people, then why couldn't it require any dealer or muffler shop to
simply replace the converter with a new one? Simple. It's the result of un-
checked greenies and their inherent anti-car stance.

As far as the "requirement", I personally know people who have straight-piped
their cars, and they pass emissions with flying colors. Having a cat is not
a necessity, you know (but you probably don't).

>And as I remember, the law is a FEDERAL STATUTE, so it applies in Boston too.

There is a law requiring the presence of a catalytic converter for certain
cars manufactured with one. There is no law requiring it to be installed by
the factory should it be removed except in CO/OR/whichever bullshit greenie
state mentioned. God forbid you hit a stone in that backwards assed state
and rip your converter off, and send it into a shop to get it fixed.

>Oh, and BTW, good use of the word "ain't", it makes you look even more
>credible...

Then you'll love this: GO FUCK YOURSELF. My credibility re: cars is long
established in this newsgroup. What about yours?

>	Notice the absence of ":-)'s".

Likewise.

Damn greenies. 

	-Kenny

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM (Eric Bergman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Opinions on '93 Mazda MX-6?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:43:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: phaedrus.east.sun.com
Keywords: mazda mx-6

Great Car.  I've had my '93 MX-6 for 3 months, put 4400 miles
on it and had no problems.  It handles nicely, gets good
mileage (mid 30's), is fairly quiet for a 4 cylinder, and
looks great.  What more could you want?  Perhaps the V-6, but
I am on a budget and between the sticker and the gas $$, I am
glad to have saved the cash.   

Well, ok, there has been *one* problem.  The one problem is 
that there is a intermittant squeak where the dash meets the 
passenger door.  This has been accentuated by the fact that otherwise 
the car is very quiet.  The car dealership fiddled with the door
and got it to stop, but now it has started again.  It appears
to come from a one tiny spot (I can see it) where the plastic of
the door panel meets the dash.

I will be checking about this, but I did notice a Consumer Reports 
glowing review on the LS version that noted the same noise coming 
from the *same* area.  I wonder if this is a manufacturing defect
that Mazda will have to/want to correct?

Has anybody else with a 1993 MX-6 encountered this squeaking?

Anyway, I think this is a minor problem that can be worked out --
if my car were totalled today I would go out and buy an identical
one.


Eric



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:05:01 GMT

gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay) writes:


>On my two Toyota's (4cyl Camry and 4cyl truck), it is *VERY* 
>difficult to not get oil on the engine block when changing 
>oil filters.  This, later, leads the that disgusting burnt 
>oil smell.

>When is it ok to wash off the engine block?  Are there
>precautions that should be taken?  Should you wash the
>engine at all?

In my heartful opinion, you should not wash the engine at all,
but steam it.  Water will cause rust, but steam wouldn't.

I'm sure you can find someplace that has steam hoses.

- Scotty

-- 
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From: wisznie@ecf.toronto.edu (WISZNIEWSKI SEBASTIAN)
Subject: slick 50
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:29:37 GMT

 Can anyone tell me if there are better products on the market than Slick 50?
 I'm thinking of using it, but a lot of people tell me that it isn't
 really that good.

 Any comments are welcome.


-- 
 
     Sebastian Wiszniewski  (9T5)   
      University of Toronto           
 I-NET: wisznie@skule.ecf.toronto.edu
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: slick 50
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:44:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1993Jan25.103459.15250@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> dwsmall@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Derek 'Enzo' Small) writes:
>>  Can anyone tell me if there are better products on the market than Slick 50?
>>  I'm thinking of using it, but a lot of people tell me that it isn't
>>  really that good.
>
>They're back.....!!!!!

hmm...somehow we should get money from all these people who want to buy 
slick50...oh...too late...the makers of slick50 already figured out how to!
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Q: how do i know if i need a new catalytic converter?
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:35:15 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon


	"Mind you, aside from replaceing it, the other two ways are
	against the law is most (all?) states, and could get you some
	big fines."

More than just fines -- you could lose the car.  It happened here in
Oregon a few years ago.  The owner of a new BMW removed his cat and the
state found out.  They required him not to operate the car until the
cat had been replaced by the *factory*.  Said factory is in Bavaria,
and the cost of all this exceeded the value of the car.

The local newspaper had a photo of the beemer headed for a scrap heap.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: In article 4357@EE.Stanford.EDU, sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:55:29 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Laboratories

|>Anyone know how much money is spent [annually] by the automakers on "concept 
|>vehicles?"  

Quite a bit, but it varies depending on what kind of concept car
you are talking about. Some are empty shells to try out body design ideas in
full size; others are new bodies grafted onto existing cars; while others
are full ground-up one-of-a-kind designs. An example of the later is 
GM's CERV III vehicle that is a driveable concept car used as a testbed
for advanced drive-by-wire experiments including 4-wheel steer-by-wire,
fully active suspension with integrated traction control and all wheel
drive. Cars like this cost easily in the millions of dollars.



|>Vehicles that never see production??

Very few concept cars ever go into production. But many of the features
do appear in later production cars. A different category  is "pilot" and
"prototype" cars which are intended to demonstrate the planned design
for a production vehicle. 
|>
|>Could someone comment on the utility of these vehicles?  How much use are they
|>for the car development/production cycle?  Do they usually represent some 
|>pioneering engineering/technology or are they just pretty exterior designs??  
|>Is it fair to say that the concept vehicles represent "research"?  
|>

Concept cars can be quite useful if they are built to explore a
well-defined question(s). If a concept car is merely an exercise
in showing off the design staff's artist abilities, then it may have
value in other ways, but doesn't contribute much that can be called
research or engineering.



---
  	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sflynn@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Steven J Flynn)
Subject: Re: INSURANCE RATES?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:32:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.160717.1236@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>In article <13607.165.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com>, erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) writes:
>|> todd@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Todd Smith) writes:
>|> -> yeah, you think that's bad, i'm 28, male, single with a clean record
>|> -> and the best i can do for a '93 stripped cherokee (granted, it does
>|> -> have 4wd) is $1450+ FOR SIX MONTHS OF COVERAGE.
>|> ->
>|> -> yes, i am still shopping around and no, i am not getting particularly
>|> -> screwed: i do live in houston/harris county texas.
>|> 

Just to annoy everyone, I'm with State Farm. I have a 92 Stealth Twin
Turbo (300hp).  I'm 27, no tickets, AAA Defensive Driving Course, $1,000,000
umbrella policy and I pay $137/month = $1644 per year.  

See, living in DE does have its advantages!

Steve Flynn
University of Delaware
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:05:36 EST
From: <FPZ100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 25th Aniv. Mustang

There were no 25th Aniversary Mustangs prodiuced.
From: jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:12:20 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <frank.727928633@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> frank@unixg.ubc.ca (Murray Frank) writes:
>In <1993Jan24.141549.16369@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>
>
>>I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
>>group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
>>car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)
>
>>This should generate some healthy debate...
>From Consumer Reports the leading candidates would seem to include
>Chevrolet Blazer
>Chevrolet Camaro
>Chevrolet Cavalier
>Chevrolet Corsica

Gotta love that great GM feeling!!.

>Dodge Daytona
>Dodge Spirit
>Eagle Premier
>Hyundai Excel
>Jaguar XJ6
>Pontiac Firebird
>
>My personal "favorite" would be the Excel. (The above list is based on the 
>trouble index in Consumer Reports, and so misses out on some cars that are
>simply too low volume.) 
>A
>
>
>the trouble index in Consumer Reports) 
>
>
>
>>John
>>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Jeff

jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wrp@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Bill Pearson)
Subject: Re: Pros/Cons of 4WD?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:23:16 GMT

In article <lmbfcpINNor4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:

>The fact of the matter is that 4WD has
>only marginal traction advantages over FWD or RWD with limited slip.   
>All are limited mostly by snow depth-- when the snow is deeper than your
>clearance, you ain't goin' nowhere.

	This is a bit pessimistic.  I used to drive an International
Scout and never got stuck in the snow (sometimes up to or over my bumper)
when there was pavement under me.  (I couldn't drive over the other cars
and trucks stuck in the intersection however.)  There is just nothing that
comes close to compound low and 4WD; the advantages are far more than
marginal when you need 4WD.

	I would say that the resale value of a 2WD Cherokee or other typical
4WD vehicle would be much lower than the 4WD version, but maintenance is
definately higher.

Bill Pearson
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: help: Buying a Jeep Wrangler.
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:17:11 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

I have a 92 Wrangler I bought new.  My advice:
	Buy a GEO Tracker.

		Dave
From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: List of clone automobiles
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:57:44 GMT

v064mcqs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL GANDLER) writes:


>  Alot of people out there dont realize that they are alot of vehicles
>cloned. Especially in the American Companies. Here is a small list of
>some that I know. Feel free to add.

>Geo Prizm / Toyota Corolla
>Hyundai Excel / Mitsuibishi Precis
>Dodge Caravan / Plymouth Voyager / Chrysler Town & Country   ( Very Obvious )
>Olds Silhouette / Chevy Lumina APV / Pontiac Transport    ( Even more obvious)
>Dodge Spirit / Plymouth Aclaim
>Dodge Dynasty / Chrysler Newyorker
>Dodge Shadow / Plymouth Sundance  
>Plymouth Laser / Mitsuibishi Eclipse / Eagle Talon
>Dodge Monaco / Eagle Premier
>Dodge Stealth / Mitsuibish 3000GT
>Dodge Ram 50 / Mitsuibishi Mighty Mac
>Eagle Summit/ Dodge and Plymouth Colt / Mitsuibishi Mirage
>Ford Explorer / Mazda Navaho
>Mazda MX-6 / Ford Probe
>Mazda Protege / Ford Escort / Mercury Tracer
>Mercury Villager / Nissan Quest
>Ford Crown Victoria/ Mercury Grand Marquis
>Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable/  Lincoln Continental (same platform)
>Ford Tempo / Mercury Topaz
>Toyota Camry / Lexus ES300  Im not sure on that
>Toyota Passaeo a sportier Tercel
>Chevrolet Cavalier / Pontiac Sunbird
>Chevrolet Camaro / Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am
>Chevrolet Caprice / Buice Roadmaster / stretched ( Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham)
>Chevrolet Beretta and 2 door version of the Corsica
>Chevrolet Blazer, Typhoon / GMC Jimmy, Yukon / Olds Bravada

I belive Bravada does not equal Typhoon.
Bravada is an AWD luxury and Typhoon is Hot box with unique suspension etc.
I expect Yuokn is one or the other and not both. Yes they are all blazer's. 

>All Chevrolet trucks are cloned to GMC with virutally no difference
>Geo Storm / Isuzu Impulse
>Geo Tracker / Suzuki Sidekick
>Geo Metro I belive derived from the Suzuki Swift
>Pontiac Bonneville / Buick Lesabre / Olds 88  stretched versions ( olds 98 &
>  Buick Park Avenue

Pontiac Bonneville / Regal ?

>Cadillac Eldorado is a 2 door version of the Seville

>Chevrolet Lumina / Pontiac Grand-AM / Olds Achieva / Buick Century  ???

Chevrolet Lumina / Pontiac Grand-Prix (maybe?)
Grand-Am / Olds Achieva / Buick Skylark

>	Thats All I can think of fornow. Forgive my spelling mistakes
>adn Im sure Im wrong on a couple.

>			Neil Gandler
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: 93 1/2 Integra
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:20:50 GMT

In article <C1Fppy.HCG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> foo26860@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (KGBishop) writes:
> I read in CR that the Integra will be redesigned for 93.  I asked the local
>dealer who confirmed that the new design would appear in mid 93, but he
>couldn't give any more details about it.  Does anyone know what changes
>will occur on the 93 1/2 Integra?

we can only hope they up the power, lower the price, and drop that worthless
vtec crap(gs-r).  normal seatbelts would be nice as well.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes)
Subject: Re: Best Family Car for ~$20K
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:22:30 GMT

millman@hpcs5.bear.com (Phillip Millman) writes:
: 
: Hi y'all;
: 
: 	I'm looking to purchase a family car that will hold both a baby and
: a St. Bernard.  I've looked at the Ford Taurus, Grand Cherekee and the 
: Sable.  (the two Fords are the Wagon variety.)  
: 
: 	Based on the Nets infinite experience, what is (in your opinion) the
: best family car?  Should I look at mini-vans??
: 
Sell the baby and the dog and get a Miata. Where are your priorities,
young man?
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:21:14 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1jmb5tINN4qn@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>I don't think so; I have the figures in the library, but I seem to remember
>>that Japanese car market share in Germany is at best in the low teens %,
>>while in the US is in the upper twenties or low thirties...
>
>Until January 1, 1992 there were extreme limitations on Japanese
>imports into Germany, so I would be really surprised if in the last
>year they've managed that much penetration.

arg. you made me go up and look. So, live from World Motor Vehicle 
Manufacturers Data Book.....

Country: Germany (West), year: 1990 (last year they had data for).
Again, these are REGISTRATION figures FOR THE YEAR.

Import Summary by country of origin

country			amount (approx)		percent
-----------------	---------------		-------
France			238,000			7.8 *
United Kingdom		 24,000			0.8 *
Italy			151,000			5.0 *
Japan			468,000		       15.4
Netherlands		  8,000			0.3 *
Eastern Block (RIP)	 14,000			0.5
Sweeden			 15,000			0.5
Spain			 44,000			1.5 *
USA (argh!)		 12,000			0.4
Other			  2,000			0.1
-------------------	----------------	-------
Totals:			980,000 appox		32.3

* = EC countries

As far as I know there are no tariffs or import restrictions of
automobiles in Germany. Anybody knows any better?

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lexus Commercials
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan24.054853.18849@scott.skidmore.edu> jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost) writes:
>
>Does anyone remember the Nissan ad (my favourite) when the narrator
>quips "I was having the wierdest dream.  I was driving this car <black
>300ZX Twin Turbo>, etc etc."  People are chasing him and he spools the
>car up to what must be 140 (full boost in 4th, hits the redline, etc).
>Absolute wildness.  Anyway, the commercial was only shown here for a
>few days (in New Jersey, at least) and was removed from the air.
>ANyone know why?
>

  Because the speed-Nazi's and safety-freaks were being admitted to
  cardiac care clinics in record numbers.

  Nissan originally responded that the entire tone of the
  advertisement made it clear that this was strictly a fantasy, but
  the speed fascists were unrelenting in their persuit of making
  driving so damned boring people will walk first.