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From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: ++Looking for S-10 EXT CAB w/ V6++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:33:30 GMT

My car has passed away and I would like to replace her with a Chevy S-10
Extended Cab That has a V6.  If you have one and would like to sell, please
email me with the info, include price please.
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: pop-up lights
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)

The '62 Lotus Elan had true pop-ups, sucked up by a vacuum reservoir
built into the chassis.  This is about the same time as the Stingray
rotating lights.

Can anyone think of an earlier post-war production car with pop ups?
If not, we might chalk this one up to Colin Chapman's Lotus team.

cheers,
-dB


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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Dynalube fo real?
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan6.123632.7129@gw.wmich.edu> x91mesik@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
> Has anyone seen that infomercial where they test the Dynalube with other
>motor oils? The tests results were absolutely unreal...they put it in
>a 500 hp engine and ran it on a dyno. Then they drained it all as it was
>running. After it was all drained they spun the engine to about 6-6500 rpm-
>slowly I might add- with none of the oil in it! After they shut it down
>they checked the bearings and there was hardly no wear on them! Would you
>buy this product? It seems pretty impossible to me.....


   There was a previous case similar to that.  One of the car
   magazines put a hole in the oil pan while running the Baja
   off-road.  They had several cans of STP oil treatment and started
   pouring them in the filler...and it worked long enough to reach
   civilization.
From: burens@4ccvw101.scg.hac.com (Mark Burens)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GM Paint peels!
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: burens@4ccvw101.UUCP (Mark Burens)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1ihm8qINN593@armory.centerline.com> chapman@centerline.com writes:
>I head in the news the other day, that many (and I mean MANY) of GM cars model
>years between '88 - '92 are prone to having their paint delaminate (just
>peel right off). 
>
>Consequently GM is doing a "silent" recall (meaning if you complain about it,
>they will fix it, but they will not tell you about it otherwise).
>
>Just thought you would like to know...
>
>P.s. Fixing the problem sounds expensive to me!
>

F.Y.I.

GM PAINT POLICY IS NO SECRET .... In a recent statement, GM says it is
aware that some owners may periodically report problems with exterior
paints and it is prepared to address consumer needs whenever such
concerns arise.  GM dealers are authorized to make any paint repair at
no cost to the customer, based on the assessment of the paint condition
on specified vehicles up to six years old.  GM says, as always, the
overriding concern is for customer care.

Brought to you by another happy GM owner.
From: eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino)
Subject: FORSALE: 16"MOMO stars
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:25:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos

I have the following for sale:
	    (4) Momo 5-spoke stars, 16x7", chromed, fits Nissan, recent (last 3  
         years) Hondas
	    (4) Pirelli P700ZR16 size 205/50 2 with minor wear and 2 BRAND NEW
	        (they are $200 each new)

Retail price is over $2600....

Im selling mine for a $1200 + delivery

call (714) 854-7392 for information
leave a message for Glenn
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From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Subject: F150 Transmission shifting?
Organization: loral western development labs
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:45:14 GMT

Happy New Year to all!
I've got a puzzeling problem, every time I take my F150 on a long trip the 
truck begins to act weird, it won't down shift when braking. The RPM's
stay at 1600, and it very hard to stop a 5k pound truck when the engine is
at 1600 RPM's, also when driving if you take your foot off the gas the
truck doesn't slow down, it stays at what ever speed you were driving at.
This is very frustrating and dangerous especialy in the snow.

It usualy stop doing it the next day, after letting it sit over night.

I've taken it to the dealer 3 times and each time the truck starts running 
properly. And the deealer can't find anything wrong with it. And of corse
I usualy travel on the weekends, and of course the dealer said, bring it in 
as soon as it starts to act up, but the there not open on weekends@!#$%^##.

Got any Ideas? anybody have a simular problem?
I thinks its a Tempature/Vacuum/Computer Control related problem

Thanks ahead of time.
Tim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
Subject: Re: Question on Nissan Sentra : Engine Oil
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:10:41 GMT

RVB@ECL.PSU.EDU (Ramarao V Bandaru) writes:



>        I recently bought a '87 Nissan Sentra. I changed the oil about
>1500 miles back, but it already has a black color. Could the problem be that
>some coolant is leaking into the oil? I don't know much about cars. I would
>appreciate it if some netters could give me some clue as to what the problem
>might be. ( The coolant level has reduced quite a bit since I last topped it).
>Overall the car seems to run OK.

>        Thanks

>Ramu.



  The oil is most likely dark simply because it's got 1500 miles worth of 
combustion particulates in it.  

  I have an '87 Sentra as well.  When cold the radiotor may appear low.  
However, if you fill it up to the top quite a bit will go out the overflow
pipe once it gets hot.   Thermal expansion and all that.

  Great car by the way!

-Matth
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From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car Covers - Need info
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:48:44 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology

In article <1992Dec31.133157@micro.caltech.edu> azirger@micro.caltech.edu (Art Zirger) writes:
>My car will arrive from the factory in about a month, so I'm starting to collect
>accessories.  The number one accessory on my list right now is a car cover.  Can
>someone inform me as to what characteristics I want to look for in one and also,
>I guess, what are the specific advantages to having one.  My current parking spot
>is under a carport, but my apartment only has one spot for potentially soon 2
>cars.  I'm willing to pay some money to protect my investment.  I was looking in
>Motortrend and saw these 3 and 4 layer covers "starting at $110."  They also 
>referenced ready fit and custom fit types?  A feature I desire is that I can lock
>it somehow.  L.A. is not a pretty metropolis for kindness of strangers.  Thanks.
>
>Sorry if the text is sort of jumbled in structure.
>
>Art Zirger.


Hi Art, I would get (as a matter of fact i have) an Evolution III car
cover.  Evolution III is made by Kimberly Clark, Inc. It is water
proof except in the heaviest/longest rain storms. It doesn't trap 
moisture, doesn't mildew and dries quickly.  I would buy a custom fit
with lock.  Call Automotive Performance Systems 714 630-1144.  Their
prices are less than Beverly Hills Motor ?.

I don't work for, or have any vested interest in any of the above
mentioned companies!

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From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: A QUESTION ABOUT TIRES
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:52:28 GMT
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA

mtbs100@emx.cc.utexas.edu writes:

> Hi there!  I know very little about tires, so if any of you can help me with
> a very simple (ignorant, you might say) question, I'll greatly appreciate it.
> 
> According to my car's manual, the recommended tire size is 185/70-R14.  But
> after looking through some mail order ads in car magzines, I find that most
> of them only have 185/70-SR14, 185/70-HR14 or 185/70-VR14.  I don't know
> what the difference is between these designations or whether they will fit
> on my car.  Which one of them is the best in terms of wet/dry traction?

All those 185/70-_R14 tires are the identical nominal size. The S, H,
and V letters are max speed designations. The higher the max permissible top
speed, the more expensive. S is pretty much the lowest range commonly available,
I think it might be 85 mph. H is faster (105 mph??), V is fastest (135 mph??)
Weel, OK, I might be off on which designation means exactly what, but you see
the principle involved.

Since you say you know little about tires, you might not be a person who
drives a Ferrari at a factor of two higher than the speed limit. In that
case, go for the S rated tires and save a bundle.
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <issa.726382641@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>
>This all depends on how well K-Mart's product competes with the product at
>Magin's and on how much a margin of difference I'm willing to put up with.
>If I cared a lot about cars (which I do), I'd most likely would want the
>most in my car; thus, putting up with a very small margin of difference
>On the other hand, if I didn't care much about the product (say a glass 
>cleaner), then, heck, K-Mart's product is better (which, incidentally, 
>is in this case).
>
    Magnins is an upscale local dept. store.  They don't try to
    compete with the K-mart stores.

    And as you've noted, some people really don't care about cars...
    and surprisingly a lot of them seem to read this group.  Well,
    the US manufacturers and several others make little econo
    shitboxes for these buyers.  More power to both of them.

>In your case, you said, "competes quite well." So, let me remind you,
>~99% of American will buy the local product over an imported one if 
>[they beleived] it was of equal quality. 

    I don't believe the per cent is quite that high....although it
    isn't as low as Lee I. snivels about all the time either.
    Frankly the only way I can see that Chrysler EVER sold all those
    K-cars was that Ronnie did his buddy a favor by cutting mental
    health funding and all those inmates needed cars.   
>
>I assume you don't have a VCR, Cam-Corder, CD Player (probably neither
>a HiFi stereo, Camera, DAT player, a TV (unless it's a mexican built
>american zenith) etc..).
>
   Or a Sony, made in San Diego...

>If you are an auto enthusiast [and like imports better], you end up
>blaming the big 3 for this. 
>The producers should supply what the consumers want or they aren't going
>to do very well. [Some] consumers seem to want a Japanese type of car. 
>(smaller, nible, efficient, and more reliable). 
 
    Or lots of them also like nice big, fast, luxury cars...also
    reliable.  Like the Lexi, Infinities, Acuri, etc.    

>The big 3 seem to be waking up to this lately.

    Yup.  Dunno if it was due to the recent Japan bashing but Taurus
    just won the sales contest.  If you want an example of a GOOD
    US-made car, I'd check out the Taurus, Seville STS, Mark VIII
    and a few others....   These are world-class automobiles.  The
    Saturn is just a "nice" car with a billion dollars of
    advertising but it ain't a world-class car by any stretch.  It
    ain't BAD, but it is pretty ho-hum.   When you see Saturn's
    cruising the autobahn, then perhaps its made it.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Taurus Upgrades
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:50:22 GMT

In article <C0ECDA.MJ7@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who
>has done some suspension upgrades to their
>Taurus/Sable (non-SHO), preferably a wagon.
>
>bob
>

I see you're back, apparently you have a valid net again - welcome back

if you're looking to lower your Taurus you're going to run into a
number of problems - apparently, since the wagon's not considered
a car but more a utility vehicle, the suspension, etc is different
from that of the sedan - we've been looking around trying to get my
89 wagon lowered and keep getting basically the same answers - no go

even the guys at BellTech didn't have many simple answers - there are
coils etc that can be used on the sedan, but it'll take major work
to lower the wagon

we're still looking and asking questions of all the guys in the 
market - once we get a better answer, I'll let you know


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Summary: Tracker/Sidekick or Samurai
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:52:43 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Alberta Research Council


[lot's of stuff about Suzuki's mostly by people who don't own one...deleted]

Well I've had a 92 Sidekick JLX 2 door soft top with optional hardtop since 
September and like it a lot. Here are the pro's and con's as I see them:

Pro's

- relatively inexpensive to buy, maintain and insure (I had a '87 Supra)
- fun
- snug fitting soft top (compared to Jeep)
- convertible
- nice interior/exterior
- high customer satisfaction (according to published stats it's #2 behind Honda
  here in Canada)
- 2 door has more passenger space than my Supra and many other 2 door vehicles
- excellent driver visibility (very open cockpit)
- ABS (rear only)

Con's

- Small fuel capacity (about 200 miles)
- limited cargo space
- limited power (really only noticeable on the highway)
- very susceptible to crosswinds
- bumpy ride at times (I don't mind this but others might)

Note that the 4 door has a more powerful engine (95 vs 80HP) and a longer 
wheelbase. The rollover problem was with the original Samuri and I don't think
this vehicle is any worse than other 4x4's. It was certainly a little 
disconcerting at first (after being used to the Supra) going around corners at
any kind of speed. A friend of mine did manage to roll one of these (alcohol 
was involved). He had a soft top and managed to come out of it with only bruises
from the seat belt). I am averaging 28 MPG (CDN) so far but find that you 
really don't get better mileage on the highway due to it's poor aerodynamics. 
Here in Alberta we get a lot of snow and so far I have had no problems with the 
exception of ice. My vehicle has manual locking hubs but auto locking hubs are 
available. This is certainly not a vehicle for everyone but if you don't mind 
the bumby ride and don't drive it like a sports car you can have a lot of fun 
and a fairly inexpensive vehicle to operate.

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Lotus Elan in 'Basic Instinct'
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:24:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.044653.7549@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>In article <1it3uqINNduf@shelley.u.washington.edu> tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
>>	just kidding, i loved that movie. by the way, did they
>>	actually trashed/crashed that black lotus in the movie,
>>	or was it just camera trick/illusion? latter one is more
>>	possible?
>Sorry, but I am pretty sure that they killed an Esprit for the movie.  There
>was definitely an upside down car with severe damage to the nose in the 
>close-up shots.  The damage is correct for an Esprit coming down on its
>nose like that.

they were definitely late model esprit SE's.
if the crash was faked, they paid a lot of attention to detail,
right down to the routing of the exhaust and the gatorbacks.

-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Subject: Re: Geo Prizm vs. Honda Civic
Keywords: honda, geo
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:51:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.204651.27398@Princeton.EDU>, janaka@space.cadet.hq (Space Cadet) writes:
> I am considering buying a small 4-door car in the $11,000 price range with a 
> 5-speed manual transmission and air conditioning.
> 
> Should I look futher than the Geo Prizm LSi or Honda Civic DX? I want a car that
> will be relaible in the long term.
> 

There are lots of good cars in this category.  If you're going to look at the
Prizm you may as well also look at the Toyota Corolla.  You should be able
to get a Saturn SL with a.c. for that price, although you'll have to order it.
The Mazda 323/Prodegy is a good car.  

> 
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From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:32:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> In article <96151@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com writes:
> >       Cadillac Northstar engine
> 
>                  290-295 depending on who you believe.  About like
>                  the old Z-28 302 had "only" 290 hp.   
>                  Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech!
> 
>                  Damfino why they don't stick that thing in the
>                  buick or better yet Camaro/Firebird.  
> 
>                  Or the Saturn... >:-)
 
 
The new Firebird and Camaro which will be out in a couple of 
months will have a detuned (more exhaust restriction) version of 
the Corvette LT-1 engine, providing 275 hp.
###1

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                                     Germantown Hills, IL
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From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Dunlop Axioms?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:38:23 GMT
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com

I'm seeing lots of tire questions so I might as well join in!  I too
need to replace the tires on my car.  I have a Toyota Celica GT, the
tire size is P185/R70-13.  I'm looking to replace the Michelin XA4's
that are toast at this point (70K miles).

Consumer reports seemed to like the Dunlop Axioms pretty well.  Has
anyone out there got any opinions about them?  I'm looking for a general
purpose all-weather tire with good handling and grip.  I don't like
riding on marshmallows.

Any other tire recommendations welcome,

Thanks

---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***
              Itasca, IL
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Car dealers
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:19:26 GMT

chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.010044.10439@tandem.com> ratan@stationd.storage.tandem.com (Ratan Tipirneni) writes:

>>a little bit.  He went out of the office and came back with his manager.
>>The manager was extremely rude and insisted that we pay a $300 fee for the
>>advertising tax which I refused.  As he continued to be rude and obnoxious
>>we just got up and were preparing to leave the dealership.  At this point the
>>manager said something very abusive to us and used foul language, which
>>really offended me and my wife.  

>I wonder if anyone has tried being abusive back at one of these, as they're
>leaving. Just curious as to how that scenario would have progressed...

Acctualy AFOM got somebody like this.  This sales droid was being a snot to 
her, so on her way out she said "Fuck You Very Much" very pleasently.
The droid didn't catch it right away and was then in to much shock to even
speak (once he did catch it).

ward

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