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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 13:16:27 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>
> Daniel MacKay (daniel@nstn.ns.ca) writes:
> 
> >Y'know, I would have a *lot* more faith in things astrological, if
> >sometime during one of my (admittedly few) professional readings,
> >the reader had noticed that I was born during a total eclipse.  I
> >can't imagine a much more dramatc sky event during a much more
> >dramatic time of my life, and while I'm fairly openminded, having
> >a professional completely miss that little detail makes me somewhat
> >skeptical about the whole science.
> 
> Well, it's not a true science if we constrain sciences to follow
> the scientific method.
> 
> Not to mention that most astrologers today still operate on zodiacal
> cycle which has been obsolete since ancient times. Because the Earth's
> spin axis precesses like a top with a 26,000 year period, the apparent
> place of the sun during the year slowly changes over time. Since there
> have traditionally been 12 zodiacal constellations, it follows that
> the Sun moves about 1 constellation-width in a little over 2,000 years.
> Most of the forecasts today are one full month off (one full constellation
> off).

Ah, but the zodiacal signs correspond to regions along the ecliptic,
not specific stellar constellations.  When the astrological principles
were first worked out, these regions were given names corresponding to
the stellar constellations that happened to lie within them at the time.

Also, unlike star-namers (the literal meaning of "astronomer"),
astrologists do not think the heavens revolve around the earth, and do
not use the poles of Terra to mark the Axis of the Cosmos.  So there.



    mIkE, who sometimes impresses people with the fact that his natal
          horoscope has a grand trine on the water signs.

          Really.




[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor <> Long Beach, California
[] mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us <or> mikebat@qdeck.com
From: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au

>In article <BvEu1u.C7G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Dark Sage) writes:
>>I like science fictoin novels, especially cyber-punk genres.  Does anyone
>>know of any good books in these lines that have gay characters, preferably
>>main characters?

Ummm, 


Geoff Ryman:

"The Child Garden" 	features two women furiously
			stomping-the-neon-telephone in a barely
			recognisable future London riddled with 
			biotechnology (SF)

"The Warrior Who Carried Life"	features a woman and an 
				ex-female-now-magically-transexed-male
				who go on quest to save their land
				from it's evil rulers.
				(Far better than it sounds)
				(Fantasy)

Diane Duane:

"The Door Into Fire"
"The Door Into Shadow"	and any others in the same series feature the
			Herewiss and Freelorn, a sorceror and prince
			respectively, who are bonded or married (I
			forget). Her writing is a little immature, but
			the world she creates is great.

Lateral Jump:
Someone's already mentioned Vonda McIntyre, but may I put in a plug
for "Barbary". A book with no lesbigay characters but all of the main
characters are women and it's all about going on a mission to a space
station. It's a kid's book and it's recommended reading for any young
teen women who need need strong techno-positive fictional role models.

While I'm on kid's books, Diane Duane's "So You Want To Be A Wizard"
is not lesbigay at all, but it is emphatically wonderful!

I'll try to think of any others....

Tim
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Tim Mansfield                                         timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au
Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Qld, Australia, 4072           +61 (0)7 365 2956
"Nothing is wrong with the idea that there would be a God...  
		who changes the water." mvs@softway.oz (Mark V. Shaney)
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:04:18 GMT
	    <1992Sep27.143355.14862@tc.cornell.edu>
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Sep27.143355.14862@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>In article <96866@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>Let's put it this way...Paglia and the women who put out "On Our Backs"
>>have similar philosophies.

>That lesbians are weak?  Or that you should always sheath
>your toys in latex?

That Andrea Dworkin should really try to enjoy sex more.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: To Bob Sarver
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:14:29 GMT

> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>Laura, Thank you for your post.
>I have read it and I will be responding to it shortly.  Right now,
>however, I am somewhat tied up dealing with cramer and ronzone in
>another thread.  

I admire your missionary zeal, but fear it's wasted here.
Cr*m*r's an attention-fetishist, so you're getting him off,
and R*nz*n*'s a failed AI project they forgot to unplug.
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:36:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct6.003639.5954
Organization: insert anything here

ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>>	IT's the difference between taking people at face value
>>as opposed to summing them up by some scorecard provided by
>>their customized corporate sponsors.

>Well yeah.  But here's my point - if you were to meet me, and I somehow
>had been able to go out and buy that $2500 suit I saw in the Times,
>and I was wearing that thing and I felt sharp as a tack in my Fashionable
>Italian Suit, would you not "sum me up by some scorecord" - and get
>noted as a "fashion slave"?  I may be wrong, but that's the impression 
>you give.

	To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't know a $2500 Fashionable
Italian Suit if it bit me in the ass.  I would probably make the
mental note "Oh, he's wearing a suit", and probably would make
another comment on whether I liked it or not.  Since labels, etc
have never impressed me, I don't know how to recognize them.

	I suppose I would also wonder what occasion you were wearing
it - if it was your habit and I saw you several times in like clothing
I would just assume that is what you liked to wear.

	But I can say that if someone looking just like
you were sitting next to you in a tshirt and jeans, I would probably
think of you equally.

	So, while I grok your point, I think I'm still consistent.
Given your example, I suppose I rank among the truly fashion unaware.
If someone gave me $1000 and said "go and buy some fashionable clothes"
I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.  (Given you're previous advice,
I think it's safe to say I wouldn't buy 100 $9.99 flannel shirts ;-)

Hugz, BBC
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:27:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <Bvq3Gy.9wF@scd.hp.com> 
mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
| adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:
| > 
| > Hmmmm.  I've heard through the grapevine (and I trust
| > the people on this relatively short and *very* clued-
| > in vine) that the Advocate is mulling over how and when 
| > to out someone *really* big in the family values cohort.  
| > Does anyone know about this?  
| -----------
| Aww, Tucker Quayle _again_?  Or do you mean "*really* big" in a
| different sense?

No, and, uh, I don't know if he's "*really* big" in that
sense (although I think the depositions that the Advocate
apparently has do go into that kind of detail), but he is 
a leading force in the family values crusade.

Arne
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and accounting and YOU
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:07:41 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Oct2.201816.4344@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:

>How come astronomers complain about astrology, but number theorists
>never complain about numerology?  Mysteries, mysteries...

dunno...can't "account" for this discrepancy!  <groan>
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 92 14:35:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct2.142611.28583@macc.wisc.edu> <1992Oct2.210635.22012@panix.com>
  <15874@umd5.umd.edu>

J. N. Shaumeyer writes:
>r l reid (ro@panix.com) overgeneralizes:
>> But Jess, havn't you heard?  501's are not fashion.  Everybody
>> would still wear them even if they didn't spend MILLIONS
>> advertizing them.
>Buttons.

Indeed!  The button fly is one of the major reasons I love
501's.  I'm really kind of surprised that, given the long term
success of 501's, no other company is currently selling button
fly jeans (to my knowledge).

>> > [Jess:]
>> > but if 100% cotton went off the market, I would
>> > not be pleased by cotton/poly or <cotton/anything else> blends.
>> You LIKE ironing?
>
>No, I don't mind wrinkles.

Besides, if you get your clothes hot out of the dryer and deal
with them promptly, there aren't many wrinkles to begin with.

Another "besides" is that once you put on a cotton garment, even
a wrinkled one, it seems to me that one's body heat tends to
remove most of the wrinkles in fairly short order anyway.
 
() Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first call promising.
()      -- Cyril Connolly
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia on fashion (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:36:53 EST
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <mattm-021092154625@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew 
   Melmon) writes:

> Who are you, darling?  And are you vested with the full authority of Those
> Who Reign Supremes?  

     It wasn't Diana Ross, but he certainly is vested!

     "And by the authority vested in me, I hereby daub thee, FWA"
--
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PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Queers murdered in Salem, Oregon
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct2.082737.4478
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Last Saturday, a molotov cocktail was thrown through a window into a
house occupied by several people in Salem, Oregon. Two people died
when they were trapped in the basement while the house burned down.
The two people who were murdered are (demographically) a black lesbian
and a white gay man.

The police have arrested four people, three of whom are already
charged with the murder. Two of the people arrested have known ties to
Nazi skinhead groups. Neighbours report that there was a history of
harassment by the thugs against the people who were murdered.

The police are investigating this as a bias crime, and the FBI is
investigating to determine if there were civil rights violations
(presumably on the racial aspect.)

There was a candlelight vigil (last night or tonight?) at the house of
the people who were murdered. Several hundred attended, and it got
plenty of media exposure.

The local media has been reporting this almost every day. The
newspaper reports have been consistently large, and every day they add
new information. I've only seen one day of television reports (today),
and they were fairly prominent in the broadcast. Today the media
started making connections between Measure 9, the OCA, and the
murders.

I don't have good sources handy to quote from, so I can't give a very
good impression of how the media is handling the OCA/murder
connection. There have been various comments from No on 9 and other
lesbigay resource groups linking the anti-gay campaign to an increased
acceptance of anti-queer violence.

Lon Mabon (head of OCA) got some air time saying "he thought it was a
tragedy", but that "it was inappropriate for No on 9 to be using this
event as political propaganda." He also whined about how there have
been some threats against his Shining Christian Knights.

(ObOpinion - yeah right, you weasel-eyed asshole. Your people aren't
getting murdered by cowards who throw bombs at you. These people
*died*, they died because they were queer. You want to claim that a
couple of "smash the OCA" flyers are equivalent to this cold blooded
murder?)

There will be a big No on 9 rally this Sunday in Pioneer Courthouse
Square. I need to scream.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                    D is for lots of things
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Jose Sarria (was, Re: WILSON SIGNS ...)
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:09:52 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Sep29.162444.18005@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM
(Rod Williams) writes:

	Thanks again, Rod, for further background.
>
>He left town, by hot-air
>balloon some years ago, and now lives, I believe, in retirement
>somewhere in the Midwest...

	I didn't know he no longer lived in San Francisco.

	A friend of mine met him at another friend's (public)
	birthday party last year.  I guess he returns to
	visit from time to time.

	Cheers,

	-R


--
Ignorant people think it's the *noise* which fighting cats make
that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 4 Oct 1992 02:58:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <67100@cup.portal.com> 
Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) the tall, 
very hairy, unbelievably unhumorous guy writes:
|
| George Reilly moronicizes:
| >) (Absolutely *NO* humor intended.)  
| >No, there wouldn't be, would there.
|
| Why should there be any?  If someone walked up to you on the
| street, slapped you in the face and said, "DAMN, you're an ugly
| sonofabitch!" would your first reaction be to *LAUGH*?

You know, George, just because someone doesn't find something 
attractive or even interesting enough to spend more than a  
second or two thinking about, doesn't mean *anything*.  If
someone were to say "DAMN, you're a middle-aged, skinny/flabby,
greying and balding nelly queen", my first reaction *would*
be to laugh.  Who the fuck cares?

| >Has it occurred to you, my namesake, that if you didn't
| >predictably and humourlessly respond every time someone
| >presses one of your hot buttons---be it shaving, twinks, 
| >Unix vs. Amigas, or any of the rest---people might stop
| >doing it to get an easy rise out of you?

[...]
| I've been hearing this bullshit line ever since I was in grade
| school -- "Ignore them and they'll go away" and I can tell you
| from personal experience it's a load of shit. It doesn't work.

This is such a load of bullshit, George.  I was about the nelliest 
queen you can imagine when I was in junior high and high school, 
and whenever someone called me a cocksucker, or a faggot, or whatever, 
I'd say, "Yes, so what?" and they would invariably leave me alone.
If someone says something nasty about your appearance and you find
it necessary to reply, why not just say, "Blow it our your asshole,
shithead" and forget about it?  Why let them make you feel guilty
or self-conscious or whatever about the way you look?

| Being told "maybe all [I] need is a shave" is, to me, no less
| insulting, insensitive and demeaning than for a woman to be
| told "all [she] needs is a Midol 'cause she's got PMS."

<Yawn>

| In short, it's not funny, it can't *BE* funny, and I refuse to
| try to perceive it as funny.  Nor will I just let this kind of
| verbal harrassment slide by.

So just tell them to fuck off and *get* *the* *fuck* *over* 
*it*.  OK?  

Arne
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My God! Less than a week away!
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:43:01 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

>      Wayne
>      can one buy twee by the ton?

No, but you can rent us by the hour...

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Arnold Gum)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:56:49 GMT
Subject: Pat Robertson Hate Campaign
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss



Has anyone heard any details about Pat Robertson supposedly amassing some
$32 M to fund the hate campaigns in Oregon and Colorado?  Hopefully
just idle rumors...  Us Colorado types are obviously concerned about 
that kind of money being spent on a last minute camaign media blitz 
promoting amendment 2 (as sponsored by Colorado for Family Values: a
very anti-gay, vicious, smear minded campaign organization) and all 
kinds of anti-gay hate and propaganda.  I suppose it's inevitable we 
will have quite a fight on our hands.  Anyhow, any support is welcome.  
The local Anti-2 support group is called EPOColorado (Equal Protection).  
Oregon will need your help as well.

Hopefully, together, we can hold the hatemongers back.

Regards,
Arnold
arnold@hpcndaw.cnd.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Madonna offers haven to Diana
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:33:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.045645.6648@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>->[I wonder who has more money, Madonna or Prince Charles?
>
>well, chuck's mom is the tenth richest woman in the world ... 

There are nine women with more money than old Liz?  Who?

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "It sounds pretty far fetched, although there are people who believe that
   the earth is flat and only 5000 years old, so anything is possible."
            --Martin Farach (mpf@cs.umd.edu)
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Keywords: Whee!
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:19:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct5.171652.8648@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>
>In article <thaaang.717833484@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>> Do you have a favorite sex toy?
>
>Anything metal.  Especially if it's cold.  The edge of a cold Coke
>can, properly applied. Any chrome plated kitchen appliance.
>
>And the Titilizor, of course (little nooses connected by a chain).
 Oh, just get your nipples pierced for heavens' sake!
Flapjack
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:09:53 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Sep28.195324.13911@spdcc.com>
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <96866@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>Speak for yourself, Ron. [Camille] Paglia must be the most misunderstood
>>person on Earth today.

>And the one who works the hardest to ensure that!  I find her writing
>bracing and her personal appearances and interviews hilarious, but her
>quips beg (demand?) to be taken out of context, so who is she to
>complain when they are?

I think what she may be doing is trying to provoke lesbians who disagree
with groupthink politics to have their voices heard. Her tactic admittedly
has as many costs as benefits---she generalizes about the lesbian sensibility
too much.

But to say she is lesbiphobic is sheer nonsense, to anyone who has read
her glowing tributes to Dickinson's decadent poetry, that is.

Brian
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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: The Origins of Idioms for Homosexuals
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:42:03 GMT

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>Does anyone know any?  This is what I know ...

>Faggot:  As far as I can tell, a faggot originally meant a bunch of sticks tied  
>together ... (?)

>Gay:  Used to (and still does for me) mean happy and joyous ...

>Queer:  ?

>Pederaste (French):  It looks like this word identifies homosexuals with  
>pedophilia.  Don't you find that just a LITTLE inaccurate?

You can find most of these in recent dictionaries.  The one whose origin
is most obscure is "faggot".  My *guess* is that it is an arbitrary
lengthening (suggested by the standard word) of "fag", and that "fag"
acquired that meaning from the sense "British schoolboy appointed as a
servant to an older boy" (the services required sometimes being sexual).
*That* word, I believe, was originally a shortening of "fatigue" (cf.
the military sense).

Joe  jcf@world.std.com
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42059 ba.motss:1808 su.gay:21 soc.bi:13482
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:39:04 GMT

stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>>>Speak for yourself, Ron. Paglia must be the most misunderstood person
>>>on Earth today.
>>MISUNDERSTOOD? Please read Mim Udovitch's review of her latest work in the
>>VILLAGE VOICE this week. As well as another review in NEWSWEEK last week.
>>I think people understand Camille quite well.

>Which is the same as reading her books on your own, eh Ron?
It's about as close as I want to get to La Camille when there are SLIGHTLY more
important things to do, like working to get Clinton-Gore-Abrams elected.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"When Jesse Helms filibusters an [AIDS] research bill, I want to scream 'You
idiot! It's going to take us out as a species!'" -- Robin Williams.
From: jl3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (James A. Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Boston Places to Visit???
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:54:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IemQr0600YV_E321JF
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi-
I'm looking into a school in Boston, and plan on visiting later on in
October- could someone who's familiar with the city send me email
(I don't read this board regularly) and let me know what would be
some good clubs to visit while I'm there? I'm basically interested in
the 21-30 college-guys/techno kind of places.

Thanks!

Jim