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From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New Catholic Catechism
Date: 17 Nov 1992 10:50:52 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
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I previously wrote:
>On my way home from Hickville, Indiana (TM), I was quite taken aback
>by a national news report that the Catholic Church (TM) has issued a
>new catechism -- the first one in over 400 years.  It mentions,
>among other things...

From today's paper (and the AP):
"Traditional teachings describe homosexual acts as 'intrinsically
dissolute, contrary to natural law' and instruct homosexuals to
practice chastity.

"But, in appeal to tolerance, the new catechism adds that since most
hmosexuals do not willingly choose their lifestyle, they 'must be
welcomed with respect, compassion, and delicacy,' and 'One must avoid
all unjust discrimination against them."

Typos are not mine, they are the fault of this %!*%"$ keybord.
Please excuse me, because I'm not feeling very delicate today.

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
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From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.040728.10571@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <74296@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>>Well, not quite. He's an ugly white boy who thinks he's black and
>>>does rap music to prove it.....  *UGH*.
>>I find your statement above to be fairly racist and worthy of calling to
>>your attention.  Surely you did not mean it to sound as it reads?  
>
>I think it's possible to read George's statement as being without any
>racist intent, nor do I think that George has a racist hair on his
>body.  This what-his-name is simply a media creation exploiting a
>legitimate art for by co-opting it for the white masses, or in other
>words, doing just what he used to do as a member of NKOTB.  I mean, why
>isn't he treated with the same dismissiveness as Vanilla Ice was?  I
>mean, the guy doesn't sneer as much, so he's worth of more respect?  Or
>does he just show more tit?  Frankly, I think his tendency to take his
>shirt off is simply cynical marketing at its best.  And it works.

My interest in Marky Mark's luscious torso notwithstanding, he is quoted
to be quite gay-friendly. As far as I'm concerned, he's got one leg up
on most of his musical contemporaries who can't even MUMBLE the word
gay.

As far as objectification: you bet! I'd luv ta jack off a ton of spooge
wearing a pair of MM's recently worn Calvins spead all over my face,
*INHALING* *REAL* *HARD* *!*
 
So THERE! 


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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Laws, a misunderstanding
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:25:52 GMT

In article <RHAYDEN.92Nov18165805@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
>   The Governor and state Attorney General are responsible for defending
>   it, and will select the lawyer who will agrue the case in court. Both
>   are opposed to the Amendment and Romer, at least, cares less about
>   honestly doing the duties of his office than about furthering his 
>   political ends. I suspect the lawyer selected will be the least
>   capable, most overworked person that Romer can find...

>How interesting that he "cares less about honestly doing the duties of
>his office than about furthering his political ends".
>Furthering political ends by cozying up to gays and pissing off
>everyone else?  That's a new one.

Intentional incompetence (e.g. not doing his job to the best of
his ability), or, I believe, "malfeasance (sp?) in office" is an
impeachable crime. I suspect Romer, for political reasons, will
do a _very_ incompetent job of defending Amendment 2 in office.

>Maybe, just maybe, he cares more about doing the Right Thing than he
>does about doing the duties of his office according to your
>interpretation of his duties.

The moral reasons for committing a crime, do not justify that act.
If he wasn't willing to enforce and support the laws of the State,
why did he swear to do so? If he is so morally opposed to Amendment
2, he could resign from office rather than enforce or defend it.
_That_ would be "doing the Right Thing": Both obeying his oath of
office and his moral views. Ignoring the one in favor of the
other is simply following political expediency, which is what 
he will (in my opinion) do.

                                       Frank Crary
                                       CU Boulder
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton talks to doctor about AIDS
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:07:35 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <Bxo0r2.1LC@fig.citib.com>, swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
writes:
|> My point is that too many people automatically attach an AIDS title to 
|> someone whom is asymptomatic HIV positive.

And, on the other hand, many people believe that this somewhat artificial
distinction -- trying to define that tiny point on the HIV continuum, by
whatever method, where one becomes the other -- is an effor that serves us not
at all well, by reducing the perception of the number of people with HIV disease
and by equating the moment one crosses the mark with a death sentence.  Many
doctors here, at least, refer only to "HIV disease" in all cases.
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ins and Outs
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:47:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.224728.18522
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov17.162329.8970@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>[of George Stehanophoulos]
>>>I'd think he was cuter if he had followed his father's career.
>>Oh, I feel so naked without my clues!  What career was that?
>Think ethnicity, and think of the recent hirsuit controversy thread.

You mean Mr Stehanophoulos, Sr., isn't just the president - he's also
a client?

"Hair club for fathers of public officials who are rapidly become sex
symbols for soc.motss."
                __
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From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Saturday Night Live
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:12:23 GMT

Well, I just don't know. I can't decide whether to be offended at
Saturday Night Live's sketch about gays in the military, which featured
all the male cast members behaving in your stereotypically, well, gay
male way; did any of you men find it offensive, or was it cute 'n'
campy? There were, of course, no dykes, so if you tell me you didn't
mind, I'll put my poison pen letter to SNL in the trash. If you did
mind, I hope you're writing one of your own.
 
BTW, lisping gay males seem to be kind of a thread on SNL these days.
Just last week, Dana Carvey and Michael Keaton did a sketch called
"Outweek," a television show in which they outed Prince Charles and
Wilford Brimley for being gay, outed 70's sitcom star Bonnie Franklin
for being a "lousy lay," etc.
 
Tracey
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (C.J.K.)
Subject: Re: New column adds a gay perspective
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:26:30 GMT

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>
>In a previous article, sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.) wrote:
>>Where will this trend pop up next?  _The Miami Herald_?  _The Wichita Eagle_?
>
>Centre Daily Times?

Dallas Morning News?      hahahhaha...that'd be the day!
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Jim Wood beefcake omitted accidentally
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:44:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.204445.29269
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

Hi, Jim.  I realized yesterday that in my last batch of
scannings, I omitted your "beefcake" shot on the beach.
Sorry!  It's now there as /pub/motss.pix/j/jim_wood2.JPEG

Regards,

Steve

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From: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Subject: bear crap
Reply-To: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:54:53 EST

TO: glp@fig.citib.com

Hello Greg!

I am new to Internet and read your message on soc.motss and am just
wondering if you receive this message.  I enjoyed reading your message
and that is why I am writing to you!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Ron
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: TORCH SONG (was Re: Effeminacy/Butchitude (was Re: discrimination at CMU))
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:59:40 GMT

In article <1ei6rsINNfpq@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>Arne (who's never actually *heard* "wake me when you're done, Arne",
>but who's had people fall asleep on him)

*On* you?  That might be fun.

In any case' "Wake me when you're done" is probably better than "is it in
yet?"


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From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<mattm-111192104825@mcmelmon.apple.com> <Bxnrno.GBo@queernet.org>
	<1992Nov13.151255.17143@tc.cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:28:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.151255.17143@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

   In article <Bxnrno.GBo@queernet.org> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
   >In article <mattm-111192104825@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew
   >Melmon) writes:
   >|> The role of a drama school is to prepare actors for life on the stage.

   >The primary role of a drama school is to teach acting, not prepare professional
   >actors.

   Actually, the primary role of the CMU drama school *is* to
   prepare professional actors.  That's undoubtedly why they
   booted those students.

But, I still can't help considering two CMU alumni -- Renee Auberjenoi
or Sada Thompson.  Both would have been booted by the standards used
against the class of 1981 -- he is rather effeminate (subjective
opinion), and she is overweight.

   Really, the school's overall emphasis
   over the past decade-and-a-half or so has shifted towards
   professionalism.  The music school, too.

Should the school be prejudging which actors a casting director may
want in the future?

Scott
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:53:26 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Nelson Minar writes:

>no how. Don't even think about it. I have resigned myself to let a
>couple of inches be trimmed off the bottom, get rid of three years of
>split ends. I just have to find someone to do it for me.

>I haven't shaved in awhile - one of my periods of "you know, I really

I volunteer to both cut your hair and shave you.  In fact, not only will
I bring my clippers, but both my WSB CDs as well.  That twisted "Thanksgiving
Day" prose can boom in the background as the 60Hz clippers drone...
-- 
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i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Thanks/Psych?/G'bye
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 03:20:18 GMT


In article <7660111@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
(Arnold Gum) writes:

>Thank you all for your friendly support over the last two
>years or so.  I'd have never made it out without you.

>Jess: thanks for patiently explaining things over the phone
>that one night a very long time ago.  

You're more than welcome.  It was a great pleasure finally
to meet at the Denver con, too.

>It seems I'll be leaving techno-weenie-dom to pursue a
>career in psych/counseling.

Ah, this makes me feel old.  :-) For so many years, people
have streamed from other disciplines toward hi-tech careers.
Now things have come full circle and people are leaving
hi-tech enterprises to go into other fields at what seems to
me an accelerating rate.

>It seemed the most meaningful way for me to help the
>community through some real hard times.  Hence, I'll
>probably be signing off the air somewhere around Christmas.
>Meanwhile, if someone has opinions on a top notch, family
>friendly, school for a PhD in Clinical Psych, please let me
>know.  I can be reached at:

>Home: (303) 221-3781
>Work: (303) 229-3656
>EMail: arnold@hpcndaw.cnd.hp.com (for now anyhow)

Just today I had occasion to ask a friend in a position to
know how strong the UW-Madison's program in Counseling was:
very strong, she said, one of the best.  The place would
meet your other requirements too, possibly.

<> Schizophrenia is a successful attempt not to adapt to
<> pseudo-social realities. -- R.D. Laing
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:49:43 GMT

In article <69735@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> I realize we're probably not going to do away with the prejudice
> against "overweight" any time soon; but there is no reason
> whatsoever -- bullshit aside -- that the much-vaunted (by others)
> _International Male_ catalogue couldn't have a handsome,
> muscular, 40ish Daddy type with a furry chest and a thick, salt
> and pepper moustache -- or a late 20s Bear Cub with a nice beard and
> a "torso-t" of fur to emphasize his pecs and abs.  

  But I thought that you hated IM clothes irrespective of the twink
models. Does this mean that you would actually buy some if they let
Steve Dyer model them?
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Care to flame a bigot?
Keywords: bigot flame prejudice homosexuality
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:55:29 GMT

I wonder if this is some kind of twisted put-on. Note the signature:
>                                       JOHNITHEN SCOTT KEYSER III

I've met some stupid people. But wouldn't he at least know how to
spell "Jonathan"? It is, after all, supposedly his own name.

Of course, he's IIId in the line. Perhaps his (even less
literate) grandfather really did think it was spelled that way,
and JSK is carrying on the family tradition (much as he carries
on other family traditions, likely including wearing white sheets
and having carnal knowledge of sheep).

Anyway, whoever sent this note (for whatever reason) deserves
whatever E-hell he gets. Carry on, lads...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: what to do in holland?
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:03:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov18.200334.24935
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov18.161239.28121@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>Anyone have any must-sees/dos for Amsterdam or Utrecht?

FJ! for Amsterdam, at least.

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: colorado springs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.235603.24900@oracle.us.oracle.com> schiles@us.oracle.com writes:
>The local press refers to Mr. Martinez as "The Naked Guy."  There are no
>laws against nudity in the city of Berkeley, so he's fine in town.

You make it sound like it's a Berkeley thing.  You might have said that
there is no state law against nudity under those circumstances. 

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From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:28:46 GMT

in article <1992Nov16.195330.10398@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) says:
> Xref: drutx soc.motss:6279 alt.politics.homosexuality:7718 co.politics:443 co.general:2040 talk.politics.misc:40948
> Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu
> 
> 
>    I read an article the other day in the Boulder Daily Camera that explained
> how the NATIONAL family values people are moving (or have moved) their base
> of operations to Colorado Springs, CO. What a coincidence that the sponsors
> of amendment 2 are based in C Springs as well!
>    So all those who are advocating a total boycott on Colorado, especially
> having seen that Boulder, Denver, and just about every other major population
> center voted it down, should consider that its people from OTHER parts of
> the country that got the darn thing passed here, not the locals.

Sorry, it is not true that all major population centers in Colorado
except Colo Spgs voted Amendment #2 down.  The only major population
centers that voted it down were the City and County of Denver, Boulder,
Durango, Glenwood Springs, Steamboat Springs, Summit County
(Breckenridge/Keystone/Frisco), Vail, Aspen, Crested Butte/Gunnison,
Idaho Springs, Central City, and Telluride.  Voting _yes_ on Amendment #2 
were all of suburban Denver, Longmont and Broomfield (Boulder County), 
Larimer County (includes Ft. Collins but I haven't seen the precinct breakout),
Greeley, Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Grand Junction, along with all of eastern
Colorado and the western boarder counties.  This thing passed 48 Colorado
counties, including 8 of the 10 most populated counties (which have 80% 
of the population), it failed in only 15.

Sometimes it's surprising that it passed by only 6 points.

> Don't punish me for something someone else from somewhere else did.

Martin Luther King, I believe, called for shared sacrifice.  The black
South Africans heeded this call and many white South Africans agreed in
their call for a South African boycott.

I am asking friends here to try to spend money only in Denver (the city,
not the 'burbs) and in Boulder, and in the mountain resort towns.  I am 
also asking friends that, if they decide to come to Colorado, that they 
do the same.  And frankly, the only thing I'll do in El Paso county 
(Colo Spgs) is breathe.

  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kpm@druhi.att.com  AT&T Bell Labs, Denver  (303) 538-3511
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Surly French waiters
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 06:40:29 GMT


In article <1992Nov21.212619.29280@microsoft.com>
frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J.  Maloney) writes:

>In article <nosenseofirony@kaa.gr.osf.org>
>emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>>michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:

>>>>> Ok, Matthew, what about that surly waiter you had??

>>>>He was French.

>>>need he say more?

>>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>>>(you are correct, however, about it being *your* fault the Frenchman
>>>exhibited his natural inclinations towards French-ness...)

>>So Frenchmen are naturally surly, are they?  Well I suppose it might
>>seem that way to Americans, stupid and vulgar as they are.

>I must say I am disappointed in Eamonn for succumbing to the
>very natural urge to say something nasty to the m-person by
>heaping calumny on the other 300 million of us. I know I am
>neither stupid nor vulgar, and and I am an American.

>I, for one, would appreciate it if Eamonn could sharpen his
>aim a trifle the next time he wishes to get off a potshot.
>And include me, and those like me, out.

I think you've missed the essence of Eamonn's point, Frank.
I took him to be showing how ignorant the Francophobic
remark was by making a comparable slur about Americans.
Americans offended by the throught he expresses would then
maybe make the connection to how offensive the remark about
the waiter was, for *that* was the truly stupid and vulgar
remark.

<> Dustin Pons, an American high-school student who attended a
<> Soviet school for three weeks, as quoted in the New York Times:
<> "American teenagers are more socially advanced.  For instance,
<> in their free time Soviets would rather read a book or walk in
<> the park or play the piano.  American teenagers would probably
<> go out and watch TV, go to a movie, or something more actively
<> inclined."
<> -- "The Progressive"
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