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From: miki@cs.utexas.edu (Miki Anzai)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: "Christian" as an adjective
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:17:01 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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From my understanding, if a study on the etymology of the word "Christian" is
done, one will find that "Christian" was first coined by a Roman official during
the time of Acts when all the new converts were running wild with the news that
Jesus Christ is risen from the dead.  The Roman official thought that the city
had gone crazy with a mass of "little Christs" running around.  So out of spite
he called them "Christians."  Now, this may require a little research to verify
this.


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From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: Extreme
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:14:10 GMT

I just don't understand.
We're all talking about Extreme here, and how "Christian/worldly" they
are, and people are now starting to read things into lyrics that just
aren't there.
Take "More Than Words" for instance. There is no reference to sex in this
song. There is a reference to touching and holding, and let me tell you
folks, if touching and holding the one you love is a mortal sin, I guess
I'm gonna burn. 
Now look at the new album. First off, note that it is a three-sided album.
They play on this theme frequently in the lyrics. The sides are called
"Yours", "Mine", and "The Truth". 
The "Yours" side expresses Extreme's perceptions of society's views. They
feel (like most of us) that there is quite a bit objectionable mish-mash
in today's world. Hence, the songs are hard, driving, and "indulgent"
--and these are characteristics I am sure we all see in the world. 

The next section, "Mine", is, of course, exactly the opposite. The most
notable track here, from a Christian perspective, must be the mournful
tune "God Isn't Dead". Now, haven't many people, Christian or no, asked
this question? It can sure seem, to those lacking in faith, that God is dead.

Then, "The Truth". In my opinion, this is the most uplifting piece of
music written in quite some time. Its primary message is hope, and it
expresses itself not only through lyrics, but also through what I would
consider gorgeous instrumentation.

Of course, there are three sides to every story, and you are free to
disagree with me. But I just can't see why this band is not worthy of at
least a glance. And I sure can't see why some have branded it disgusting
and all but satanic.

-- 
Ken Breadner          |Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada
brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca |"Life is what happens when you're busy making other
(the BREADbox...)     |plans" --John Lennon
Disclaimer: you mean somebody's taking something I said SERIOUSLY?
From: markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: good-bye
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:44:16 GMT
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Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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Well, I think the time has come to end the thread I started.  All
that needs to be said has been said.  I have attempted to answer
all the personal and most of the public postings.  I will answer
any personal queries that are genuine questions or criticisms.

  II Tim 2:20-26.

mc
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From: jsdonald@david.wheaton.edu (Joel S. Donaldson)
Subject: Re: Anyone know these artists?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.234218.7737@nic.funet.fi> oh1ltm@nic.funet.fi (Esa Holmberg) writes:
>	We had a gospel music festival nearby this weekend, and as we
>	had there also several foreign artists, I began to wonder, how
>	widely they are known elsewhere.  The artists I'm interested
>	in, are Darrel Mansfield, Perry & the Poor Boys, Kurt Keck,
>	Bill Angel and Royal Squad.
>
>	So.. anyone know these.. ?-)

Darrel Mansfield was on the _Portrait of a Spirit_ album.  I believe he played
harmonica.

Joel Donaldson
Computer Science/Mathematics Major
Wheaton College
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From: mooras@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Steve 'War Axe' Mooradian)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Reply-To: mooras@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:09:50 GMT

	Here is my low-down:
	I believe music itself to be a vehicle. I pretty much think that music without a message (ie without lyrics) is neutral. Now when you put words to the music it changes everything. Then the music has a message, one that has every opportunity to be Biblically sound, and every opportunity to be utterly blasphemous and satanic. 
	If music has lyrics with a message that is more or less positive than more power to'em. Bands like EXTREME and U2 are semi-good examples. Metallica however is a rotten example.

<<<STEVE>>>
MORNING STAR - lead guitarist
Revelations 22:16
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Help with music selection
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:15:57 EST
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hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:
> I have been reading the postings re Metalica, but I guess I have 
> not read them close enough. Now I need some help. My oldest son 
> came home with a CD from school last week. The group was "The 
> Cure". You would not believe the lyrics (well ... maybe you would). 

well, i would. (if you've got time could you email me the titles
of the offensive songs. i want to see which ones i have :^)

> My wife & I said "Not to be played in this house!" and then 
> yesterday tried to discuss it with him and other siblings. (There 
> was no other time when they were all home - too many activities.)

there's the distinct possibility it'll just be played out of the
house.

> I need a list of Christian groups which would deliver music similar 
> to what my son likes. He has one tape of "The Altar Boys" which he 
> will play. I don't know what album it is. It is a copy (yes, I know 
> copyright infringement. He is fighting me on that one, too.) He 
> still does like Petra and MW Smith and a little Steve Camp. When I 
> told him that there WERE Christian bands with similar sounds, he, 
> being 16, did not believe me.

ahh youth. methinks you need to haul this kid to the closest Christian
music store that has demo tapes. the error of his thinking will soon
become apparent. have him bring about $50 bucks in lawnmowing money. 
(yes, it's a lot, yes it will be worth it.) 

spend a few hours listening to music. then have him pick out four 
CDs, get him a replacement for the Altar Boys (good band, BTW) and 
use the "Buy 5 get one free" stickers to get another one. i do this
about once a year myself, and i still can't keep up with all the
GOOD alternative Christian bands that are out there.

> 1) name of the band
> 2) titles of album(s)
> 3) "sounds like ..." - either another Christian band or secular
> 4) whether the albums are generally available in the US
> 5) any other helpful information

some band names off the top of my head: (but -listen- to them first.
never know what might go over well or not until you listen.)

violet burning, Choir, LSU, Breakfast With Amy, fluffy, scaterd few,
Mortal, Circle of Dust, the Swoon. 

jason "i'm alive / i'm dead / i'm the stranger / killing an Arab" steiner

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From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: What is art?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.011957.17856@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
[I wrote, he included:]
>>F'rinstance, I find my enjoyment of the
>>song "Dream in my Life" (King's X) much enhanced by my understanding of
>>what the metaphor stands phor (sorry!).
>
>Yes, we do seem to disagree, but I think that I may need to clairify my
>point here a bit.  I enjoy the process of coming to an understanding.
>I enjoy art that makes me think.  If the message isn't clear, but listening
>to the song doesn't make me want to ponder the message, then I don't
>enjoy the song.  If the message is understood, but there are subtleties
>that I still have to think about, then my enjoyment is intensified.

I guess thinking about it, I'd also have to recast what I said in a
New and Improved Version:  The reason I like that song is because I had
to struggle to figure out what it stood for.  BUT - now that I [think I]
fully understand it, I still enjoy it as much as I did before.  Coming
to understand it didn't in any way diminish it for me.

>>This is not to debate or disagree with you, just to share with you my
>>point of view.
>I appreciate the kind tone.

I wish more people did (newbie posters especially)!  :^)  :^)

>--PC

			--Michael

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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: "Christian" as an adjective
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.000925.28806@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba) writes:
>harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>>  As for "Christian music," who has to be a Christian in order for
>>this adjective to be appropriate: the songwriter, the performer, the
>>recording engineer, the producer, the record label owner, or some
>>combination?
>
>*Bzzzt*, none of the above.  I think we agree violently.  The MUSIC
>would have to be christian for us to talk about christian music!  That
>is patently absurd.  

Quite.  Unfortunately, frequent use of the expression seems to have
given people the impression that, if certain people involved in the
process are Christians, or if it contains an unspecified amount of
Christian sentiments or buzzwords, then that qualifies the music
*itself* as "Christian".  This then suggests, to Christians and others
alike, that being "Christian" is (or can be) based on actions or
outward appearance, rather than the faith of one's heart.

In the eyes of the world, and even of fellow Christians, your actions
may or may not qualify as "Christian" by their standards, but the key
question is whether or not you *are* a Christian.  Faith without works
is dead, but works won't get you very far on their own.  We, as
individual Christians, need to focus more on our own faith, and less on
other people's works.

Hmmm...it's rather nice to have a violent *agreement* in this newsgroup
for a change!
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                    PictureTel Corp. (so there)
From: rich@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Sybase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Music Business
Keywords: Christian Music Business
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:45:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Nov20.183220.20742@umbc3.umbc.edu> haddaway@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway; ADMIN-COMP) writes:
>Is anyone out there in netland part of the Christian music industry in
>Nashville?  Work for a Christian company in Nashville?  Live around
>Nashville?...
>
>Just wondering...
>
>- Todd

Not everone in the christian music business lives in Nashville!
Several of my contacts into the business live right here in the
San Francisco Bay Area.

Rich
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Subject: Searching for new music
From: cllangley@ualr.edu
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:09:05 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I was introduced to Contemporary Christian Rock Music just a little over a year
ago.  Since then I have fallen in love with Petra, Amy Grant, and Jacob's
Trouble.  I helped with a radio show that featured this music every Saturday
night at 8:00 in Hampton, Arkansas.  Due to lack of funds the radio show had to 
be stopped.  Now it is hard for me to hear new music without buying it first.
The music selection around here is poor so I have to order most of my music 
through a tape club called the Word Family.  I was wondering if anyone could 
recommend some other groups that have about the same sound as Petra or Jacob's
Trouble.  I appreciate your help!

Searching for new music,
Cindy
Cllangley@ualr.edu

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From: khisanth@wam.umd.edu (Mike Donovan)
Subject: Deliverance
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:43:15 GMT


	This seems like an appropriate place to post. I listen to the 
christain thrash band Deliverance and think they are great musically and from
a lyrics standpoint. Does anyone else out there also listen to them? And if so
when (if at all) is there next release due?

Thanx...

-=KHISANTH=-
(khisanth@wam.umd.edu)

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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Phil's Prayer Request
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:06:58 GMT

I feel for Phil and his problem, but before I would
give him a dime, I'd need to know more than just,
"I owe $1300 dollars and I'm broke."  Was there a
more detailed posting before?  Did he go to his 
church for help?  Family?  Friends?  A little more
info would be appreciated.

thanks,
-- Tim
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From: savatage@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman)
Subject: Veni Domine
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:48:52 GMT

In article <19306@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.023030.16075@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
>>
>>I didn't get the chance to hear Veni Domine yet (they're on the same label
>>as Living Sacrifice - R.E.X. Records) but I hear from others that they're
>>along the lines of Seventh Angel and Detritus...
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^^^
>
>Never heard any stuff by Seventh Angel, but I do have Detritus' cd.  They
>sound nothing like Veni Domine.  Veni Domine is a very talented band, while
>Detritus sounds like they need to go back to their garage and practice some
>more.  Also, I would categorize Veni Domine as a progressive metal band;
>Detritus is more in the speed/thrash category (and from what I hear, so is
>Seventh Angel).  

	How many albums are out by Veni Domine? I called my local
	christian bookstore, and they said they could order for me:

	Veni Domine - Fall Babylon Fall

	Do they have any others?

		I would like to know more about them...

				-- Brent

	savatage@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman)
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:13:10 -0500 
From: Christina Marie Smith <cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: cornerston reminicing


>impressions i have of cston 92:
> 
>	phenomenal music
>	spectacular light shows (provided by God Himself)
>	lovely mud
>	wonderfully warm rain
>	lovely  mud
>	mud squshing between my toes
>	all the seminars i didnt go to but would like to hear about
>	phenomenal music right up to the ever amazing and annointed 
>	violet burning
>	phenomenal music
>	mud
>	tents
>	mud in tents
>	tents collapsing in mud
>	phenomenal music
	ect.

And to think that I missed it all...
From: arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there any "progressive" Christian music?
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:01:49 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com
On Tue 03 Nov at 19:09 young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (3:713/602) wrote to
All:

 y> young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young), via Kralizec 3:713/602

 y> In addition, I know there was (is?) a band called "The Awakening" which
had 
 y> several albums (CDs?) out, and who were reviewed by the CCM press as
being 
 y> akin in sound to some of the art-rock groups we know.  In fact, on their

 y> "Into Thy Hands" album, they covered "Onward" by Yes (from Tormato).

They had an independent release that I never saw, plus "Sanctified", which I
have on vinyl, and "Into Thy Hands" which I have on CD, both on the Reunion
label. They broke up a few years back.

God bless,
 
Arthur.

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From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:30:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <nestabro.721489742@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>math1rb@jane.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:
>
>> Well what I say is let your kid listen to what they want. Take an interest
>>in it, after all he'll listen to it just to spite ya. Like someone once
>>said some of the most christian people they knew weren't Christians.
>
>Yeah, and if he wants to go out and have sex, buy him condomes.  (Yes, I 
>realize this is sarcasm, and I ask for forgiveness in advance, but 
>Scripture teaches us to "train up our child in the way he should go", not
>let him go out and do what he wants, especially if we know it could be
>harmful.

Well, I don't think the situation is the same.  Refusing the child the
right to listen to a band that is not openly anti-Christian is, in my mind,
the equivalent of not allowing your son to associate with any women out of
fear that they might have sex.  Yes, there is always the possibility that
they will have sex, but there is also the possibility that they might just
have friends, or a girlfriend.

In either case, over-reacting is a bad thing.  People who over-react
generall lose their credibility with me.  I think it works the same way
with most people.  If your children have reason not to trust your moral
judgements (because they think you overreact - even if you don't really too
much...), they're going to start ignoring them, and that's a bad thing.

Disclaimer:  I'm not a parent, but I do have parents.  :-)

Adios,
  Logan
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From: rwb7054@zeus.tamu.edu (BARRETT, ROBERT W, JR)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: SCC Tour Info?
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:14 CST
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Does anyone out there have any information on the latest Stephen Curtis
Chapman tour??

I know he was in Houston in September, but I was wondering if there are
any dates this late in the year?

Thanks!!

  		God Bless,
		Bobby
From: c60b-1hy@web-1e.berkeley.edu (Albert Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Music Business
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:03:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Nov20.183220.20742@umbc3.umbc.edu> haddaway@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway; ADMIN-COMP) writes:
>Is anyone out there in netland part of the Christian music industry in
>Nashville?  Work for a Christian company in Nashville?  Live around
>Nashville?...
>
>Just wondering...
>
>- Todd
>
>


I'm wondering too.  So if anybody out there is part of the CCM industry 
and is from Nashville, I'd like to know too.

Albert Wu
UC Berkeley
c60b-1hy@web.berkeley.edu

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