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From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Date: 21 Nov 92 11:32:52 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
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	Dunno if it reached the US or other parts of Europe, but here in
Switzerland we received recently a set of two double CDs sold for the price of
a single CD (not, unfortunately, a CD single... 8-) ) and including the first
four Fates Warning albums. 
	In a few words:

	Box 1: Night on Broecken/The Spectre Within

	Box 2: Awaken the Guardian/No Exit

	Recommanded for all those who want to complete their FW collection on
CD for few bucks.

	"Fire in Harmony!.."					Alias

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Hanoi Rocks
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:24:54 GMT

I was wondering if any of you considered the Hanoi Rocks progressive. I know 
the name "glam rock" would seem to sound more like "regressive metal" but I
feel that these guys would definitely be an exception. Musically they played
several styles - which would be unique since Andy McCoy wrote about 95% of 
their material, cowriting with Mike Monroe or doing cover songs on the rest - 
it's hard to say what style they are because the songs go back and forth. 
For instance they play blues ("Self-Destruction Blues"), pop rock ("Cheyenne"),
country ("Lost In The City"), classical ("Strange Boys Play Weird Openings"),
60s type rock'n'roll ("Back To Mystery City"), heavy metal ("Underwater World")
and so on. Some songs like "Million Miles Away" (E.Z.O. covered this song) do
weird things in the middle. You basically have to listen to a Hanoi Rocks album
to get an idea of what kind of musicians they were. I don't think any of their
affiliates matched them since they broke up (after drummer Razzle Dingley was
killed in a DUI accident involving Vince Neil) - affiliates meaning bands with
one or more of the members of the HR.
Just wondering what you people thought about this band and if they would belong
here aside from the normal HM groups.

philip
Philip Wang
E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake)
Subject: Re: RE 	Hanoi Rocks
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:27:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov17.211504.5875@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.160055.21206@infodev.cam.ac.uk> scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar) writes:
>>Do me a favour !!!!
>>To be honest, I dont reallyb think Hanoi Rocks belong here. Although
>>progressive bands tend to do something innovative/different, its in
>>the music, not the concept of cross-dressing. Admittedly, singing 
>>about sex, wearing make up, and musical (semi) incompetence would be a new
>>direction for a progressive metal band, I wouldn't take them seriously as
>>musicians any more.
>
>My point was that the Hanoi Rocks, although a glam band, DID NOT do what bands
>like Poison or old Motley Crue did. Totally different, even though they looked
>the same. Musically I think extremelly competent. As I said you have to have
>heard the band to get an idea of what I'm talking about because as much as 
>Poison looks like the Hanoi Rocks it's not at all a comparison musically or
>lyrically. I don't think there is such a band that has ever sounded like the
>Hanoi Rocks, not even Andy McCoy's or Mike Monroe's solo projects. But again,
>they never stooped to the same level of Poison et al. They were consistent in
>sound. In fact they got heavier as they went along until they disbanded.
>

Obviously he never has listened to their music.  It seems to me that alot
of what he said points to the fact that he never got past their outside looks
and to their music.  "singing about sex, wearing make-up, cross-dressing"?
Give me a break, that sounds pretty narrow minded to me and opposite of the 
term PROGRESSIVE.  Not many of their songs are about sex.  Has the almighty
RUSH that he so dearly has a fixation with never had a song about sex or even
god-forbid LOVE.  Putting them in the same *catagory* as Motley Crue is like
putting Metal Church and Queensryche in the same *catagory* because they are
both from the Seattle area.  Their music is completely different.  Well gee
they both came from the L.A. scene.  Yeah big deal.  Not the same.

Everybody always talks about diversity and changes within certain bands that
are considered progressive bands music.  If that's the criteria then Hanoi
definitely fits the bill.

Andrew Wood from Mother Love Bone was into cross-dressing.  Does that mean
that Mother Love Bone is to be lumped in with Motley Crue also.



I sure hope not, that would be pretty ridiculous.



John H. Lake


I sure hope not, that would be pretty ridiculous.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
Subject: No more: Re: Hanoi Rocks
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:33:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.092403.27153@microsoft.com> johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.162454.26779@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>I was wondering if any of you considered the Hanoi Rocks progressive. I know 
...
>>it's hard to say what style they are because the songs go back and forth. 
>>For instance they play blues ("Self-Destruction Blues"), pop rock ("Cheyenne"),
>>country ("Lost In The City"), classical ("Strange Boys Play Weird Openings"),
>>60s type rock'n'roll ("Back To Mystery City"), heavy metal ("Underwater World")
>>and so on. Some songs like "Million Miles Away" (E.Z.O. covered this song) do
>>weird things in the middle. You basically have to listen to a Hanoi Rocks album
>>to get an idea of what kind of musicians they were. 
...
>
>I sure do.  I love Hanoi and have always.  I think they are definitely 
>progressive.  
...

Yeah, I luv'em too. (A little hint to all Hanoi Rocks fans out there:
check out Bang Tango.) But referring to the FAQ-file posted here recently,
they are far from progressive. For example Queen (what great band!) did
lots of various styles of music, but they are not _progressive_.
Progressive metal is closely related to progressive rock of the 70's 
(Yes, Rush...), not in a sense of just doing alternative music,
but rather sounding a lot alike, tho' heavier. 
I think their unique sound is derived from influences from classical
music, combined with imaginative rock. 
So, I would consider Hanoi Rocks and Queen as _weird_ (but good) rock
groups, not progressive.

>
>of course that's just my opinion, and who the hell am I?
>
>John H. Lake
>
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.181527.22431@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>
>GOOD NEWS:
>
>They didn't break up and are currently label shopping for their next album.
>I do beleive that their contract with Metal Blade expired though.
>I'll have to ask the guys I know who hang with Powermad to ask them 
>about it. <Powermad was recently on tour with Fates Warning> 
>BTW, Powermad hasn't broken up either!
>
>The rumors persist, but I am glad they do not appear to be true!
>
>					--Judex--
>
They're still alive?!?  Awright!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thank Gawd they're leaving
Metal Blade (or Slow Death, as my friends like to call 'em).



  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Dream Theater [was: Fates Warning]
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:15:23 GMT


>I'm looking for Dream Theatre's first two (they have three, right) albums.  Can
>someone help me here?  I'll definately let you know if they're as great live as
>I've been hearing they are.  Speed doesn't impress me much, but note choice
>does, and I don't think I'll be disappointed!


*grin* this oughta go in the FAQ...Actually they have two albums.  
The first one, _When Dream and Day Unite_, is out of print for now.
The new one, _Images and Words_, is on Atco and is widely available.

Oh yeah, and they spell it Theater.  


s
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar)
Subject: RE 	Hanoi Rocks          
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:00:55 GMT

Do me a favour !!!!
To be honest, I dont reallyb think Hanoi Rocks belong here. Although
progressive bands tend to do something innovative/different, its in
the music, not the concept of cross-dressing. Admittedly, singing 
about sex, wearing make up, and musical (semi) incompetence would be a new
direction for a progressive metal band, I wouldn't take them seriously as
musicians any more.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Motley Crue and their like, but they really
can't be compared to Dream Theatre or KingsX.

Would you include Van Halen in this newsgroup ????
Eddy Van Halen is without doubt one of the most important metal guitarists
ever, and their work always includes something innovative.

What about Mr Big, somewhat labelled "Pop Metal" because of THAT song !!!!
Take the rest of their music into account. Billy Sheehan and Paul Gilbert 
are two very talented musicians indeed. Just remember, Rush saw them good
enough to be a support act.....

I do think Marillion should be included. Certainly up to the deparure of
Fish, they had a very large support from Metal fans, and indeed have
played at the Donington monsters of rock festival.

Simon.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater mailing list
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:40:00 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

ziegast@rodan.UU.NET (Eric W. Ziegast) writes:

>I'd rather just see discussion in this newsgroup, but having a mailing
>list would open discussion to a wider audience (the many people who
>do not know of this group or don't even get a Usenet feed).

You might want to have a mailing list _cross-fed_ to the group.  I'm not
sure of the details of this, but it's done with many bitnet listserv
groups [I read the ALLMUSIC list as bit.listserv.allmusic on netnews]
and I know it's also done with the GEOS list and comp.os.msdos.pcgeos.

I don't know whether articles from the newsgroup are routed to the mailing
list, or just the other way around, though.

That way, you get _everyone_ involved.

-Shag

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From: S_TILLENBURG@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Stephan Tillenburg)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: new Psychotic Waltz
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:43:00 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
Distribution: world
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In latest issue of german ROCK HARD magazine is a review of the new
Psychotic Waltz LP/CD. They say "record of the year".
In a local record store they said it will be released on NOV 27.
Has anyone more Information on this yet ?

   Thanx and bye     Stephan

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: 10563563@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ARTHUR GIANNAKIS)
Subject: Re: Kiss
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:10:20 GMT

In article <2wy5TB5w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
>Subject: Kiss
>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:11:00 EST
> I'm a wee bit confused as to all of the positive messages concerning 
>Kiss. 
> Is it just be, or was Kiss THE inspiration for Spinal Tap? How can 
>anyone who hasn't been locked in a dark room for most of their lives get 
>into that kind of sexist, juvenile rubbish? Metal is power, metal is 
>energy...as far as I'm concerned, commercial hacks like Kiss just don't 
>cut it.
> 
>marlowe
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------darkpark BBS
>pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Funny how all these years later, people slag off KISS, even though they 
helped metal to be what it is today.........Talk about biting off the hand 
that once fed you.....................

			Keep Bangin'....................
				The Metallian.
From: tuononen@hylkn1.Helsinki.FI (Tuononen Tero)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: re: Rob Halford
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:36:49 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


	Judas Priest still alive and kicking ??? Great !!!
	Now we can hear this excellent singer on two 
	different projects...does anyone know when
	Halford's solo album is to be released ???
	

	(NWO)BHM forever...	
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: lsh078@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Judge)
Subject: Re: Maiden's "First Ten Years"
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.022258.2899@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.165445.11617@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@barracuda.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>>In <1992Nov3.221510.14856@csus.edu> vcsc458@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Roy) writes:
>>

>>according to any doc i could find, including some with the discs, these were
>>released one at a time over a period of time.
>>
>	Yep.

They were released one every two weeks between Februray and April 1990.
>
>>>	Are they still available?
>>yes...  but they are out of print, i am assuming...
>	Nope.  I've talked to people who indicate they are still available
>in the UK.

The singles are no longer available. The ones in the shops over here are those
which the shop did not sel when the were released. They are no longer pressing
the singles. THerefore it may be difficult to find the whole set.

>>>>	Does the box set come with anything extra like a booklet?

>	Yep.  The box set comes with a 48-page book I believe, covering the
>Iron Maiden Story.  If anyone is selling just the book, PLEASE E-mail me.
>I'm gradually acquiring the cds one by one and am interested in getting the
>book too.

No it doesn't. I have the whole boxed set in vinyl, and there are no books 
with it. When I sent off my vouchers all I received was the box.

>>>	What other singles or box sets do they have?

>	The first two singles (also disc 1 of the 10 years set) are
>Running Free and Sanctuary (featuring a very controversial Derek Riggs cover
>with "Iron Maiden" Maggie Thatcher).  The next two, I believe, are Killers
>and Remember Tomorrow, tho I may be incorrect (don't have disc 2 yet).

Err.. Women In Uniform is in there somewhere, as is Twilight Zone.

>	Yeah, but you don't get "Listen with Nicko"  :)

Listen with Nicko is on BOTH formats.

>	BTW, I'm looking for a song called (tentatively) "I Wanna Be Elected"
>I know it's sung by Dickinson, but it could be with Maiden, his solo band, or
>Samson.  Anyone have a clue where to find this?

The single was released as a charity record for Comic Relief, and features
Brucie doing vocals and his solo band I think. The single is credited to
The Smear Campaign and also features monologue parts from Mr Bean aka
Rowan Atkinson. It was released at the same time as the UK general election
last year. The single is good, but the video is even better.

Just to follow up the Nicko thing, there is an extra part (sort of) on the
B-side of his solo single, Rhythm Of The Beast, called McBrain Damage.


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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: goetzj@carn11.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz)
Subject: Ricky's hair
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:44:50 GMT

Just for the hell , of it does anyone out there think that Ricky Rachman's  
hair looks really stupid? It was ok when it was long and he was wearing a
long sleeve shirt but nowhe looks like a New Kid On The Block.

		Justin
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll
From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: Re: Tony Martin Solo Album
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:30:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.043543.20462@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, savatage@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman) writes:
> 	I've been told that Tony Martin (lead singer: Black Sabbath,
> 	and Forcefield II) put out a solo album.... Does anyone have
> 	any more info on this? (ie: title/label/availability/etc..?)
> 
> 	I asked around at a CD store here locally and all they came
> 	up with was a CD called "Warm and Wonderful"... Is this the
> 	correct title? Or is that a different Tony Martin?

Luckily I am at home right now so I am able to look for the 
review. First the important data:

    The album is titled "Back where I belong" and it's on Polydor
    in Holland.

According to the review it is a decent album with some very good 
songs and some average ones. It got 75 points out of 100. But I 
must say that's actually a good score because the magazine is 
pretty tough with their scores.

    Musicians are:	Zack Starkey, Nigel Glockler - drums
    			Neil Murray - bass
    			Geoff Nicholls - keyboards
    			Brian May - guitar

I haven't bought the album for no apparent reason except that I 
just didn't think of it. Perhaps I will look for it and give it 
a listen.

    Mike
From: 00amelmore@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Hard rock/heavy metal mailing list
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:12:48 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I'm considering starting a hard rock/heavy metal mailing list, and I need to
see if anyone out there is interested.  There are so many good groups out there
that could never support a mailing list all their own, but if they were
combined I think you could have a great mailing list.  I'm a huge hard
rock/heavy metal fan, and I would be willing to set up a mailing list if
interest was great enough.  Only problem is, I'd need help with the logistics
of such a mailing list...I'm no computer expert, so I'd need someone who could
help me
out with putting the whole thing together.  If anyone is interested, please
e-mail me at the address before...don't send mail to this account please, and
it would be easier for me to sort things out if you didn't post on news.  So
please, if you are in the slightest way interested in a hard/rock mailing list,
e-mail me, and include any suggestings you may have, esp. concerning the
content of such a list (range of music it would include, and anything else.)And
if anyone could help me out with learning how to put such a list together, I'd
GREATLY appreciate it!  Thanks, and I hope to hear from you hard rock/heavy
metal fans out there!

Phil
e-mail me at    wilsonp@ucsu.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Ricky's hair
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:12:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.174450.21940@pellns.alleg.edu> goetzj@carn11.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz) writes:
>Just for the hell , of it does anyone out there think that Ricky Rachman's  
>hair looks really stupid? It was ok when it was long and he was wearing a
>long sleeve shirt but nowhe looks like a New Kid On The Block.
>
>		Justin


Trust me, I'm with you.  His hair is stupid! Why on earth did he cut it?
Why did Jonny Boy cut his? Why am I asking????

I need to post Intermosh now.

Phil

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mortena@ifi.uio.no (Morten Amundsen)
Subject: Re: Ricky's hair
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:23:54 GMT
Originator: mortena@sognsvann.ifi.uio.no


How come everybody hates R.Rachman?
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser)
Subject: Dead Fly Boy
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:37:39 GMT


They're heeerre.......
From: Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best Albums/Queen
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:00:52 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

cs65x3@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Bryan Willson) writes:

>Firstly, how come since Freddie Mercury died a year ago has everyone
>now begun to proclaim Queen as "the best band (or one of the best)
>of all time."  Where were these people before?  It seems to me to be
>rather a bandwagon thing.  Granted, after having another listen to
>some songs that I hadn't heard in a while, I found them to be good,
>but I don't know whether they merit greatness.

Owwwww, gasp, that hurt!
We've been here all the time mate!
A few months ago there was an 'All Time Top 100' broadcast on Radio 1 here
in England, Queen had the number 1 with 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and altogether
had 5 tracks in the top 100, beaten only by the Beatles with 6 (I think).
Just goes to show, LOTS of people think Queen are one of the bets of all time!

	Rich 'Z'

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! - Highlander/Gimme the Prize


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