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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:29:36 EDT
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Straight ball for spares?
 <1992Sep29.124823.29668@worldbank.org> <BvCJrt.8K6@encore.com>

In article <BvCJrt.8K6@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) says:
>
>aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>>it on T.V. regardless if they come in first or not.  The guts have been
>>removed so the only thing they are really wearing is decoration.
>>Common practice in the PBA for years.
>
>Couldn't this by construed as false advertising?

I don't see how.  No where, except in your own subconscious, did anyone
say these wrist gizmos are the real thing.  Its sort of like using plastic
ice cream when shooting ice cream commercials.  Of course, we all know real
ice cream melts under lighting effects, but for some strange reason we all
believe we see real ice cream in commercials.  As long as no one says, "by
god this is the real stuff," I don't see any false claim.

While I'm at it I'll throw in my two cents on wrist supports.  I have one.
I can't remember what it is or when was the last time I used it.  I'm 34
now and have been bowling for 25 years.  I bought my wrist support towards
the end of my junior bowling days.  I used it for only a year or two.  Now,
its the best gag in my bag.  Anytime my confidence or concentration seems to
be lacking I'll casually point out my dilemma to someone I'm bowling with.
If pointing out my problem doesn't help me fix it, a little later I'll tell
the same person, "I guess I need to get my confidence out of my bag."  I take
the wrist support out of the bag and put it on top of my head and make like
I'm strapping it on like a crash helmet.

If you can't bowl good, at least have fun!
I'd rather be lucky than good anytime!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Exercising to Bowl
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:32:27 GMT

In article 35510@cbmvax.commodore.com, bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker) asks:
>
>Does anyone else workout to improve their game? I'd be interested in hearing
>what else seems to work for others.
>
>By the way, past weeks scores went something like: 611, 580, 600
>
>  Bob Baker


Excellent scores ...

Recently, I have endured pain in my left knee area ... being a right-handed
bowler, this is just a bit annoying when trying to proceed with an effective
approach/release/slide ... [ let's put it this way ... it doesn't tickle  :-{ ]

I take Advil for it, and during my double shift set, it's OK into the third
game of the opening series and beyond.  However, the basic problem remains ...

Fortunately, through the aid of our new Fitness Center instructor (who also
bowled leagues before), I will be working on leg strengthening routines.  Her
experience with league bowling (and I am still trying to coax her into joining
... *heh-heh*) should help make this more effective.


Bob

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From: mdc2@sns.ctt.bellcore.com (Mike Connelly)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Schedule question
Summary: Need help - 18 team schedule
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:41:46 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc.

Hi!  I am seeking help in creating part of a schedule for an 18 team bowling
league.  The specific question is: is there a way to schedule 18 teams over
9 weeks so that
  * every team bowls on every lane pair exactly once
  * no team bowls any other team twice?

Note: I already have the ABC schedule and it does not address this
particular question.

Any solutions, including software to generate such a schedule, would be
greatly appreciated.


Thanks much,
   Mike
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Crazy series
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:41:08 GMT

In article 26064@worldbank.org,  aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>hm.....sounds even stranger than last thurs nite for me (242-141-233)..
>like I said (for me anyway), the 2nd game is always the worst game
>I bowl...
>
>
>
>-Aki

However, I believe your team still picked up a win in that game.  Whenever
that happens to me, I thank my teammates for holding me up, forget about the
game, and go out and bowl a good one   :-)


Bob - getting by with a little help from his friends   :-)

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Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00
From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Need a ball recommendation in a hurry
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:15:41 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

>finally decided to buy a harder ball (than my black Turbo)
What about the Blue Pearl Hammer?  Maybe someone could post the d-scale of 
this.

>I'd like to use this on
>nights as a spare ball when they remember to put that wet,
>slippery stuff, you Know, *oil* on our lanes :-)
Never see any of that at my Tuesday night house.
The P.B. Hammer (no, not peanut butter) I bought was $91.00 after drilling/
taxes.  I don't know how your bank account is, though.
Only problem with my new pbh was that as I was breaking it in, it still 
broke more than I wanted it to.  Good Luck!

ttfn

Walter
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: new President and Secretary for PBA...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EDDE06D1022631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:18:46 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:25:29 GMT


Just an FYI for anyone who is interested:

for 1993-1994 term:

Mike Aulby has been elected as President of the PBA
and
Ted Hoffman Jr. has been elected as Secretary of the PBA

Just thought you'd like to know..

Regards,

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: dw@mbunix.mitre.org (Washington)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: 2 vs 3 piece construction
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:42:42 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA


     Does anyone out there is netlant know what the difference is between
2 piece and 3 piece construction for bowling balls?  Aside from the marketing
hype, what is the real difference in reaction on the lanes?


D. Washington (dw@mitre.org)          Forty-two. That's all you need to know.
From: joel@ada1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Joel Horn)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Crazy series
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:01:13 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ada1.ssd.csd.harris.com

I thought I would tell you about a strange night of bowling yesterday.  I had
a 199-212-224=635 series (173 ave.), which was my best ever, but the strange
part is that I had no pocket strikes!  There were two or three light hits, a
couple nose hits, and the rest were crossovers.  It also helped to make all
my spares except for a 9-10 split.  What was also wild (actually, unfortunate
for me) was that my opponent had a 200-258-218=676 (197 ave.) and only won one
point.  Who knows what will happen if I hit the pocket!
-- 

Joel Horn                          joel@travis.ssd.csd.harris.com
Harris Computer Systems Div.
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: PBA "TV" attire
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EE21237F072631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:05:07 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:11:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.154329.5407@hspice.portal.com> ,
gregw@hspice.portal.com writes:
>On a completely unrelated note, can someone shed some light on
>Pete Webber's two suspensions?  Wasn't one for coke and the 
>other for fighting or something.  Anyone have more details.
>


Don't ask me why but the PBA has told all it's members to issue
a "no comment" on that subject...
.
.
.
.
"no comment..."


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Try-outs
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6ECA3F1FF0F2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:58:41 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.153929.695@cis.ohio-state.edu> michael anthony
gross, gross@clam.cis.ohio-state.edu writes:
>    It may sound like I'm complaining about Sundays shot, but I'm not
the only
>one.  No left hander shot 1200 and only 4 right handers broke that
mark.That 
>shot WAS tough and there's nothing I can do now but look to next weekend.


Myke,

Good luck.  Ironically, you learn what your true abilities are when the
lane conditions are the toughest.  Anyone can shoot well on ideal
conditions.  When the lanes really break down, that's when the men
and boys are really separated.  I'm sure you'll do ok.  If not, no problem
just learn from your mistakes.  Better yet, go back and practice in
that house and try to do better.  If you can learn to shoot well in that
house, easier houses will seem like a breeze.

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: 2 vs 3 piece construction
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.184242.21851@linus.mitre.org> dw@mbunix.mitre.org (Washington) writes:
>     Does anyone out there is netlant know what the difference is between
>2 piece and 3 piece construction for bowling balls?  Aside from the marketing
>hype, what is the real difference in reaction on the lanes?
>
>
>D. Washington (dw@mitre.org)          Forty-two. That's all you need to know.

Whether or not there is an actual difference in reaction between 2 and
3 piece balls lies primarily within the bowler and the ball driller.
In theory, the differences are real -- the location of the center of
gravity [CG] and the ball's moment of inertia [MI].  

Given one ball of each type with the same static/dynamic balance, *in
theory*, the 2-piece ball will have its CG closer to the geometric
center of the ball, which gives way to a lower moment of inertia.
The 2-piece ball will have a tendency to spin "easier" but quit
spinning earlier, that is, will hook earlier.  The result: lots of
early skid, then strong backend hook, but not much between.

A good analogy is that of the ice skater.  Notice how when the skater
starts to twirl with arms and legs extended, the spin isn't very fast.
However, when the skater pulls in his/her arms and legs, the rotational 
velocity increases.  The 3-piece ball is the skater with appendages
extended, and the 2-piece is the skater with everything tucked in.
Try it in a swiveling desk chair sometime!

In theory, once again, 3-piece balls *should* be better oil balls
since the high MI keeps it in a more consistent state for a longer
period of time, something to look for on long or heavy oil.  On heavy
or long oil, the 2-piece ball *might* overskid or break too late.  But 
with urethane surfaces and "label shift" drilling, the difference between
the two is becoming negligible.  Personally, I've found "label shifted"
3-piece balls to have the greatest backend reaction of any ball I've
used, aside from the tacky, or "cheater" balls now available.  (Not my
words, some of the WWPB women bowlers call them that!)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: Soft tips (Was: Lurker comes forward)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:31:00 GMT

In article <chris.717660498@coombs>, chris@coombs.anu.edu.au (Chris @ SSDA) writes...
>        At the local grand masters competition 2 years ago - here in Canberra
>Australia - we had a guy demoing a Electronic Bristle board - which would only
>score on dart imbedded in the board - and would play just as many games as you
>would want on it - just a matter of programming the chips, was the explaination.
> 
>The board operated by having each segment of the board being separate enitites
>which were impressed with carbon - the presence of a dart in a segment would
>change its electrical properties and consequently be scored.

	Those have gotten to Chicago, and even the wilds of Wisconsin.

	Interesting part is they let you play against the machine, where you
	specify the ability the machine is to take, and it makes pseudo
	random shots, based upon that ability. It's really nice if you want
	to practice and have nobody to shoot with.

	However, when you figure the board probably cost mucho bucks, and
	must pay for itself, and by the rule of TANSTAAFL, you really have to
	plunk in a lot of money compared to a simple bristle board, a couple
	of lights, and a piece of rug on the wall.

	Face it, frugal people like darts.

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Subject: Re: tips
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:13:37 GMT

In article <GJAMES.141@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA>, GJAMES@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
(GJames) writes:
|> I have been looking for a book about the mechnics of playing darts.
|> I seem 
|> to go through periods of doinf well and then I cant hit anything. 

As if nobody else ever goes through this!

|> Anybody have any pointers for me?

One thing I'll say: I've never been so screwed up as I was AFTER reading
a book on "technique."  Stay away from books, unless somebody
who's a good shooter watches you and tells you your fundamentals are
so poor that a book might actually help.  

Part of the problem, of course, is that even the books don't agree on
what constitutes "proper" technique.

-M



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From: guyot@dog.Eng.Sun.COM (Jay Guyot)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: tips
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: guyot@dog.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dog

With all this talk about tips I'm sure you all heard what the Leper said to the
prostitute?



Keep the tip.


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From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: merely microns!
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:43:31 GMT

frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:


>    So why is it when I concentrate so hard to put a needle in a
>    bed but it ends up touching the wire? "IN THE WRONG BED!"
>    Why cant it touch the wire in the bed I'm throwing at?

Murphy's first law of darts states that if you hear the wire, it's
out.

>    What I'm referring to is getting momentarily hung up on a 
>    number.  It seems like I can get the darts as close as
>    I want but they just don't make it on the other side of the
>    wire.  Why couldn't they land just a micron over or atleast
>    whiff off the wire to tell me I'm getting close.

Drink more beer, it'll work out.

>    I'm posting this humorously but with a certain amount of
>    seriousness.  

See above.

*********************************************************************

                                        Tom Dietrich

"I wouldn't play this silly game if it wasn't played in beer bars!"
			 Me, in about the fifth year of league play.

 e-mail: txd@molehill.NSD.3Com.COM                                       
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From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Out Charts (repost)
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:43:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <28465@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, dmcpheet@ems.cdc.com writes:

|> Thanks for the charts! Does anyone have a "Three dart out" chart?
|> 
|> As a person who doesn't always hit EXACTLY what he is aiming at, I'd like a
|> "safe" chart, one that specifies a first shot in such a way that if
|> I miss the
|> double or triple specified, but land in the wedge, there is still a
|> reasonable
|> chance for a two-dart out.

All good out charts are designed this way.  Find a dart shop in your area
and go visit -- I'm sure they'll have out charts.  The one in our area has
two or three different sizes.  If there isn't a nearby dart shop, get an
issue of Bulls-Eye News and call one of the mail-order places.

An important thing to remember:  out charts are crutches.  It's best to
memorize all outs below 170, and it's critical to have them memorized
below 100.  When you have to break your throwing concentration to look
at a chart, you've reduced your chance of hitting your target.

When you've got an out, think through the out "tree" while your
opponent is throwing.  74 left?  T14, D16. If I miss the trip, that
leaves 60: 20, D20 -- you get the idea.  I've found that learning 
the tree just two layers deep is sufficient, because after a while,
they automatically overlay each other.  My memorized out-and-alternative
for 74 gets overlayed by my memorized out-and-alternative for 60 (if I hit 14 
instead of T14).  60 is different of course, because I'm not throwing at 
treble on the first dart, so my mental "tree" for 60 includes what to
do next after leaving 55 (a miss left), or 59 (a miss right).

I don't have EVERY out memorized (even though I should), but I do have MOST
of them memorized.  This works out pretty well:  the outs I don't know
are the result of bad throw -- and when I'm shooting that poorly,
a break in concentration is the *least* of my worries :-)

-M


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From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: merely microns!
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:33:53 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility


    So why is it when I concentrate so hard to put a needle in a
    bed but it ends up touching the wire? "IN THE WRONG BED!"
    Why cant it touch the wire in the bed I'm throwing at?

    What I'm referring to is getting momentarily hung up on a 
    number.  It seems like I can get the darts as close as
    I want but they just don't make it on the other side of the
    wire.  Why couldn't they land just a micron over or atleast
    whiff off the wire to tell me I'm getting close.

    I'm posting this humorously but with a certain amount of
    seriousness.
From: v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Hi all... Question...Etiquette?
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.155912.20911@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes...

>	You didn't happen to mention if he was any good, did you? He was a
>	nice guy, but annoying, right?

	He was a crappy player, but it still took a while to finish him off, 
because I was getting distracted. I haven't been playing long enough to 
realize all the mind games people play, but I'm almost POSITIVE he wasn't doing
it on purpose. He wasn't intelligent (again, a nice guy, but not very bright) 
enough, and he was drunk to the point of hardly being able to stand up. He just
kept hitting when he needed to, to keep the game going. I was getting rattled, 
and not playing as well as I could have. 
	Thanks for all the input! I guess I need to play more, to figure out 
all the tricks of the game (and to enjoy a few more beers! ;-) )

						-Jeff

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