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From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Scene at the locker...9/23 show
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:18:05 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <92268.153500U36345@uicvm.uic.edu>, Lisa A. McGraw <U36345@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Did anyone else notice the wonderful backround action while,
> I think it was Brandon and Andrea, were standing at their
> lockers talking??  That couple of extras playing tonsil
> hockey was really disturbing.  I couldn't believe that the
> show would throw that in.  Oh well, enough of my bitching.
> 
> Anyone else care to comment?
> 
> Lisa
 
What's wrong with a little tonsil hockey now and then? :-)
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From: cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Tori on Howard Stern Radio Show
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:22:41 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.bh90210: 6-Oct-92 Tori on Howard Stern
Radio .. by kvt@willow.mitre.org 
> Tori did an interview this a.m. (about 1 1/2 hour) on
> the Howard Stern Radio Show.  If anyone is interested
> in a summary of the parts that I heard, let me know.
> BTW - Howard is not a very conventional interviewer
> so the the interview was alittle off the wall.
Was he nice to her or did he rip her up?

Carl Jabido
cj00@andrew.cmu.edu
From: hod@amazon.chem.columbia.edu (Hod Greeley)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: last nights episode?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:09:50 GMT
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University

In article <1992Sep29.003446.19400@newshub.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

   Maybe UCLA told them not to use their name on the show.  I remember a movie
   called "Real Genius" that was about some kids at CalTech, but they called
   the school "Pacific Tech."  It looked like a lot of it was filmed at
   CalTech, and it was clearly supposed to be CalTech, but they just didn't
   call it that.

It wasn't actually filmed at Caltech, but they did hire a student from
there, I think his name was Dave Marvit, as a consultant to help
recreate the "look and feel" of the school.  He had a walk through
part in one of the scenes.  The dorm hallways were the most accurately
reproduced part, from what I remember.

   Why didn't they give him a C average?  They could still say that he'll
   have a hard time getting into USC.  Now there's no way that Steve can
   plausibly be accepted at USC, since the show certainly isn't going to
   let him get away with changing his grades.  I suppose if he got all A's
   AND he became an all-state volleyball player he might have a chance.

I agree.  The D+ average is pretty ridiculous.

   Larry

Hod
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: rols@tk1003.alt.tv.bh90210 (Roland King)
Subject: How far behind am I
Organization: /home/rols/.organization
Distribution: alt.tv.bh90210
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:44:52 GMT


Can somebody tell me just how far behind good old Japan is with BH?
The last episode I saw, Jim's company transferred him back to 
Minnesota, double salary, car, the works. Of course the family
was devestated, especially as Brenda had just started sleeping with
Dillan. Of course, he hated Minnesota, everybody cried at the leaving
party in the Peach Pit and ... they stayed.
So, all you guys and gals with perfect memories; when was this and 
do I have to complain to my cable station to get current??o
From: tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: The Smoking Issue
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:24:41 GMT
Reply-To: tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1a6ntdINNsut@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz820@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher M. Paulus) writes:
>
>How do you all know that Shannon D is a heavy smoker?  I am blind, so maybe I missed
>something on an episode, or a picture of her smoking.
>
>Chris
>-- 
>Christopher Paulus
>Baltimore, MD
>bz820@cleveland.freenet.edu
>CIS:  71541.1617@compuserve.com
Well, if you had been reading her interviews or anything they always show 
pictures of her smoking or talk about it.  

-tl24
From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Newell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: IS HILLS LOSING IT'S FLAIR?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:39:32 GMT
Organization: Denver, Colorado

larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
> (DNB102@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
>> DO ANY OF YOU THINK THAT 90210 IS LOSING SOME OF ITS FLAIR.  I MEAN THIS 
>> WHOLE NEW SEASON WITH THE SENIOR YEAR IS KIND OF STUPID.  I MEAN, EVERYONE 
>> SEEMS SO MEAN AND IN A BAD MOOD.  AND WHAT IS BRANDON DOING WITH THAT NEW 
>> CHICK, HE'S REALLY HARD UP.(ANOTHER EMILY VALENTINE)  I JUST THINK THAT 
>> THE NEW SEASON IS REALLY TRYING TOO HARD TO MAKE THE SHOW INTERESTING. WHAT 
>> DO YOU THINK, LET ME KNOW?  DONNA RULES!!!!!

>IT'S DEFINITELY LOSING SOME OF ITS FLAIR, BUT I THINK THE EPISODES OF
>THE NEW SEASON HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD, RELATIVELY TO OTHER SHOWS ON TV,
>AND RELATIVE TO THE SUMMER EPISODES WHICH WERE PRETTY PATHETIC.


STOP YELLING!!!!

Please, it is really hard on the eyes to try and read something that
has been written in all uppercase!

Thank you.

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 Martin Marietta  (303)977-9804 	|  or lyric right now.
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: beh7214@venus.tamu.edu (HEAD, BRYAN EVERETT)
Subject: Smoking-again
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:43:00 GMT

Why does everyone care which cast members smoke?  It's been established that
Preistly, Doherty, Perry, Garth, and probably Spelling are smokers.  Big deal.
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:55:58 -0400 
From: Mary Kathryn Rodgers <mr49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Smoking Issue

Could someone please explain to me exactly *why* "The Smokins Issue" is
such an ISSUE? 

I realize that some people don't like smoking/smokers, but what does it
matter whether or not the people who play the characters on 90210 smoke
or not?


Curiously-
MK



"...all ideas need to be heard, because each idea contains one aspect of the 
truth. By examining that aspect, we add to our own idea of the truth.
Even ideas that have no truth in them whatsoever are useful because by
disproving them, we add support to our own ideas."
..- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: IS HILLS LOSING IT'S FLAIR?
Oganization: Not very organized
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: NEC USA, Corporate Network Administration Division (Dallas, TX)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:24:38 GMT

<DNB102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>DO ANY OF YOU THINK THAT 90210 IS LOSING SOME OF ITS FLAIR.  I MEAN THIS WHOLE
>NEW SEASON WITH THE SENIOR YEAR IS KIND OF STUPID.  I MEAN, EVERYONE SEEMS SO
>MEAN AND IN A BAD MOOD.  AND WHAT IS BRANDON DOING WITH THAT NEW CHICK, HE'S
>REALLY HARD UP.(ANOTHER EMILY VALENTINE)  I JUST THINK THAT THE NEW SEASON IS
>REALLY TRYING TOO HARD TO MAKE THE SHOW INTERESTING.  WHAT DO YOU THINK, LET ME
>KNOW?  DONNA RULES!!!!!

Actually, I think this season has been a bit more interesting than 
last but not as good as the first season.  I thought last season
(especially at the end and then the summer episodes) really got in a
rut with the Brenda-Dylan thing EVERY week which was neither
interesting nor entertaining.  However, this season could also get
in a rut but I'm hoping for a return to the style of the first
season which consisted of more self-contained episodes--more
dealings with controversy...  Perhaps they were hunting for their
target audience and when they found one, they drilled it to death.

An interesting thing to note is the background music.  During the
first season, they had more clips of tunes that are by "pop" or
"alternative" (for lack of better descriptions) and then in recent
seasons, they just kind of play that theme song and it's hundreds of
variations over and over.  Perhaps they have to pay more in
royalties as the picked up a larger audience and decided that
putting more mileage on their theme song would be much more
economical.

--- cjk

Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Tori on Howard Stern Radio Show
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:38:52 GMT

Tori did an interview this a.m. (about 1 1/2 hour) on
the Howard Stern Radio Show.  If anyone is interested
in a summary of the parts that I heard, let me know.
BTW - Howard is not a very conventional interviewer
so the the interview was alittle off the wall.

Kathy T.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Subject: Re: last nights episode?
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:34:46 GMT

Quan vi Luc (ql00+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.bh90210: 25-Sep-92 Re: last nights episode?
> by zst@ecl.psu.edu 
> 
> > >    is any california state school referred to as California University 
> > >    (i know Cal is UC Berkeley).  i'd think if they meant UCLA, they would
> > >    have said UCLA.
> 
> I think the reason why they don't refer to UCLA as UCLA on the show is
> that a lot of the people involved with the show are USC (University of
> Southern California) graduates, e.g. the screenwriter, the producer
> (Aaron Spelling) and Donna (you know, his daughter).

I figured that they don't want to make UCLA (a real school) part of the
show for the same reason that they say they go to "West Beverly" high school.

They didn't seem to have any problem calling it UCLA on the High Point
Center episode where they went to the "blue" party and Dylan was talking
about the endowment that his dad had made to UCLA.  But on the Back Story
episode, Dylan referred to his dad's endowment to "California University."

Maybe UCLA told them not to use their name on the show.  I remember a movie
called "Real Genius" that was about some kids at CalTech, but they called
the school "Pacific Tech."  It looked like a lot of it was filmed at
CalTech, and it was clearly supposed to be CalTech, but they just didn't
call it that.


>                                                                  But as
> a last note, seeing how much these "kids" goof off, there's no way they
> (except for maybe Andrea) would get into a school in California except
> for LACC (Los Angeles Community College -- for those who don't know,
> where UCLA was until it moved to Westwood.) 

I goofed off more than they do, and I went to UCSD, which I believe is
a pretty well respected school.  I think if you have a GPA > 3.0, and
SAT scores over 1100, then you've got a real good chance of getting into
a UC school (aka California University).



The thing I don't understand is how can Steve have a D+ average.  When
I went to high school you had to be a total derelect to get a D.  Anyone
with a clue can see that Steve has at least average intellgence..  There's
no reason he would ever get less than a C- even if he didn't do any
homework.  We have no indication that he has an attendance problem, so
he should at least be getting A's in P.E.

Furthermore, they never would have even let him try out for a varsity
sport if he had a D+ GPA.  There's no point in him going to USC either,
because he's going to fail every class and be out-of-there at the
end of the first year.

Why didn't they give him a C average?  They could still say that he'll
have a hard time getting into USC.  Now there's no way that Steve can
plausibly be accepted at USC, since the show certainly isn't going to
let him get away with changing his grades.  I suppose if he got all A's
AND he became an all-state volleyball player he might have a chance.

Larry
From: pap@moscom.com (Patrick Palmer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Jeanie (Kelly) on the Joan Rivers Show
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:43:35 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I was flipping through the channels one afternoon and came across the
Joan Rivers show with Jeanie Garth (sp?) who plays Kelly on the show as the
guest.  It went through the basic generic questions but some of the
interesting parts was when Joan had the 90210 dolls out on display and
asked Jeanie what she thought of each one.

When it came to the Shannon doll, Jeanie wouldn't comment and Joan threw
the doll onto the floor.  It was general acceptance the Shannon is a 
bitch and no one really liked her.

Also what was discussed is her boyfriend that she just moved in with.  His
name being Dan and a member of a band.  

Joan asked a question to Jeanie before a commercial break that I found to
be bold.  Whether or not Dan (her boyfriend) was her first she has ever
had in bed.  I actually didn't hear the answer. 

Patrick

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From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Fire Walk With Who?
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:29:24 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

FWWM is still playing in Boulder, Colorado, home of Ms. Lee (Laura Palmer)
but moved from a regular theatre ($6.50 per ticket) to the one theatre in
town with cut rate tickets ($1.50).

The listing in this Friday's *Colorado Daily* captivated me:

Fire Walk With Us


Regards, Lou
From: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Another Cooper Veto
Date: 3 Oct 1992 18:49:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


	Today, in a political move that has environmental activisttts up
in arms, President Cooper vetoes congress's most recent environmenal
bill, which specifically was designed to curb logging and protect the
endangered spotted owl.  It does not seem thatt congress has enough
votes to override the veto, but the bill's authors have promised to
modify it and submit the rewritten bill in hopes of saving our North
American forests and their now-rare inhabittants, the spotted owls.

	In a hectic news conference, when questioned and criticized
about his vetto, President Cooper had this to say: "The owls are not
what they seem."  No one seems quite sure what that means.



-- 
   any turkey
    can smoke!
From: neal.pritchard@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Neal Pritchard)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: IGNORING ME???
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:09:12 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: Bobk@Hpscit.Sc.Hp.Com
BO>She may or may not have died.  In the final episode of the TV show, she
BO>was chained to the bank vault door when Andrew Packard went in and opened
BO>up his security box, which contained a note from his partner (who had
just
BO>died) laughing about the lack of money inside.  Below the note was a bomb
BO>that immediately blows up.  The next scene shows the bank windows explode
BO>outward and one of the character's eyeglasses land across the street.

BO>The scene indicates that Audrey's probably gone all to pieces about the
BO>bomb.

Yup. I reckon she's a gonner.
It was a VERY sad sight for myself and my brother (and sister)
Fennimists.

Neal Pritchard
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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TV Guide
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:51:21 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: faulen.asd.sgi.com

In <15902@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

>Looking through some old "Cheers & Jeers"...

>I'm surprised that TV Guide, the magazine that jeered the second-season
>premiere for being so slow, jeered #2009 for not making sense, jeered the
>finale for not wrapping the show up, and has generally boosted Northern
>Exposure as being better than Peaks... actually cheered FWWM two or three
>weeks ago.  They said that it was a great present for fans, not meant for
>the critics who had been deriding it so mercilessly.

>And they said that without a hint of irony.  :-)

someone in TVGuide likes them, someone hates them.  at some point in
C&J, right after Northern Exposure came out, they jeered the critics
for hailing it as a new and improved Twin Peaks, saying about TP,
"Hey, we like this show."  but i get the feeling that isn't true
about all the staff, and different people write C&J each time.

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: A modest porposal
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:45:54 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct3.062539.8751@cs.brown.edu> ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu (MDJ aka jack) writes:
>Amen! It is about time that someone said it - the list just isn't what it used
>to be.  It seems that people are really reaching to find meanings that just
>aren't there - or if they are, just don't matter. IMHO, FWWM wasn't as rich in
>meaning and symbolism as the series. It's fun to throw around crazy ideas(I
>really really like the one about Coop being the Dali Lama(sp)), but I think
>the list would be so much richer if we do open discussion to all aspects of
>DL's works. It seems that this is already done to a certain extent, so I would
>not expect much resistance.

I was around the last time they proposed renaming it.  Like I said then,
I'd have no problem with discussing Lynch's other works -- but I don't see
the need to officially move the group away from TP.  Let's get some discussions
going, about ANYTHING, first.  Since FWWM closed, there has hardly been
anything discussed, about Peaks, Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, or any of Lynch's
works.  I doubt that other Lynch fans are really staying away from this
group simply because our name only mentions Twin Peaks.  I just think we've
hit a slow patch on all Lynch/Peaks - related subjects, just like Mr. Lynch
himself appears to have.

So let's just see if we can get any traffic of import, and save the name
change until we find out what we're focused on in this post-Peaks era.
Go ahead and discuss the other films -- not just Lynch's, but Mark Frost's
"Storyville" too.  Lynch fans of all sorts are welcome here.  But let's
not force an interpretation or structure on this group until we have a
real reason to.
From: dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Tibetan in upstate NY
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: dpeders1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Pedersen)
Organization: Swarthmore College

acaffrey@scott.skidmore.edu (alanna caffrey) writes:
>
>		**complaining about the movie deleted**
>
> the buff???? PLEASE SPARE ME--- where was Audrey and Nadine and Big Ed and
> all the other characters that carried the show,  oh well I guess D.L.
> should never have tampered with near perfection.

As I understand it, therewere quite a few scenes with some of the other
characters, but because the movie was too long, they cut out many parts
with some of the aforementioned people and shortened the movie to a paltry
2.5 hour shortie :->

I liked it.  It put a lot of questions and uncertainties I had to rest.  And
opened up a hell of a lot of new ones...

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From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: 12 CANDLES IN DREAM
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:09:59 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Oct1.211758.15568@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:
>   Remember, there were 12 Candles in agent coopers dream.  There are also
>12 animals in the Chinese Calendar system.  2 of these the Year of the Dog and
>the Year of the Monkey were included in FWWM.
There are also 12 signs in the zodiac and the 12 days of Christmas and...
:>

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: Phillip Jeffries
Summary: Suggestions
Keywords: Jeff
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: alt.tv.twin peaks
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:59:01 GMT

Can anybody offer a  transcription or suggestions about the Phillip Jeffries
sequence in FWWM? It seems as important as the dream sequence in episode 3
to me; all I got out of it was the conveinience store stuff and that he knew 
something was going to happen to Cooper. Also, upon viewing FWWM for the 
third time, I finally caught the dialogue about the creamed corn that Mike
was screaming to Leland from his truck; he also mentioned something about 
the green formica tabletop, which was in the Jeffries sequence. I'd really 
like someone else's interpretation of all this stuff.

And didn't anybody notice that the controversial 'whooping noise' the old 
guy made in the final episode was also the sound 'the arm' made in FWWM, and 
the sound we heard in the trailer park when we see that telephone pole?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: jgp@raid.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann)
Subject: Re: twin peaks videos
Keywords: videos
Organization: Rational
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:13:47 GMT

cjc@kranac.com (Chris Clark) writes:

>My apologies if this is a FAQ ...

It is a FAQ, but since nobody maintains or posts the FAQ list any more, it's
OK.

>Anyone know of a video store/mail order house in the that has *all* of the Twin Peaks episodes for sale/rent? The local Blockbuster Video has only the first
>seven episodes. I watched them all when I was home sick one day and now I can't
>wait to see the rest!

The 2nd season (episodes 8-29, or 2001-2022 if you prefer) have not yet
been released in the US yet.  There are rumors that they may be released
soon, but nothing definite yet.

For now, you'll have to find someone (like me) willing to make copies
of their broadcast tapes.

-- Jim

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