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From: jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick)
Subject: Re: Modern Rackets
Keywords: power, size, weight
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:05:04 GMT

In article <19869@ector.cs.purdue.edu> knies@cs.purdue.EDU (Allan Knies) writes:
>There seems to have been a sparse thread on tennis racket
>recommendations lately...
>
>Does anyone else have problems with modern rackets being 
>too big, too powerful, and having too low a string density?
>
>I've played with Head TXEs for many years
>and before that an old wooden Jack Kramer (I don't switch
>rackets too often).
>
>For example, I looked over some rackets at a sports store
>last year and couldn't find any rackets whose head was as
>small as my TXE. In fact, it was difficult to find a racket 
>with <= 90 square in.  I find that rackets with large rackets 
>to be too powerful and difficult to control (I don't need the
>racket to generate power for me).
>
>Something else I have noticed is that bigger frames do not
>have the string density that my old Jack Kramer had. I break
>tons of strings and would be interested in a racket that had
>a higher string density to help prevent so much "notching" of
>my strings. The Kramer actually has more cross and main strings
>that my TXE (which has a somewhat larger head).
>
>Any comments? Suggestions?
>
>Allan Knies

Hi,

I just bought the Estusa Becker Provantech PB.  This racquet is 92 sq in
has a high string density (18x20) and is quite flexible.  I really like
it alot. I tried playing with a widebody this year (Prince Graphite Pro
XB) and did not like it.  It had a much lower string density (14x18) and
was stiffer.  The result was that I would break my strings every 4th or
5th time out.  I have played with my new racquet 5 times and the strings
still look good. Just my $.02

jts
-- 

jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick

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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: who won...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:07:56 GMT

kwfrackl@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (SCOOP-meister) writes:

>Who won the "Battle of the sexes"?

No one - we all lost.    8')     (JC, 7-5, 6-2)

-- Larry
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Gross,disgusting and perverse articles.
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:14:25 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@periodic.eng.umd.edu


    Being from the US, it's hard to imagine what other people's attitudes
in other countries are.   My general impression here is that some men
do find it OK to say that they like tennis players for their physical
appearance, or even more than OK, but some find that if such comments
get to be too sexist, then that is offensive, and one should try not
to be offensive.   For example, I tend to use the word African-American
rather than black (I use both) since AA's  now seem to prefer that
use (it's supposed to reflect the ethnic origins and provide some
source of pride, I think) and certainly the use of Negroes or
"niggers" is either outdated or offensive.

    Still, it's not as is American men all feel this way since many will
say "Why can't I tell a woman that she is beautiful?" and so forth.
I think this sentiment is more or less universal, but I wonder if
there is a feeling that treating women as "sex objects" might be considered
offensive or is there no such vocal group?

    I tend not to get offended by much, and I like to think that we do,
indeed have the freedom to type what we want, but perhaps a little courtesy
is in order, and even if we could say that this player has fabulous "..."
we might restrain ourselves.

    That should be it from me on this topic.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ATP Rankings (was: Tournament Results)
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:25:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct5.143835.13136@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.121641.13970@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>>Swiss Indoors:  Becker d. Korda  3-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
>>
>>Boris has yet
>>to win a major title (e.g. Championship series or Grand Slam) this year.
>
>Actually, Becker won the Donnay Indoor Championships in Brussels on February
>16, and either the Eurocard Classic in Stuttgart on Feb. 23 or the ABN/AMRO
>Wereld Tennis Tournament in Rotterdam on March 1.  The Donnay and Eurocard
>are Championship Series events; the ABN/AMRO and Swiss Indoors are World
>Series.

Oops, yes I got a little mixed up there. Becker won the Donnay Indoors,
which was a Championship series event, and Rotterdam early this year.
Ivanisevic won the Eurocard Classic in Stuttgart. Sorry about the error.

>A lot of changes in the rankings are coming up soon.

Talking about that, here are the new rankings:

1. Courier    3574
2. Sampras    3366
3. Edberg     3345
4. Chang      2428

The reason that Edberg dropped to #3 is once again the "53-week problem."
Since some tournaments are held a week later this year compared to last
year, Edberg has lost the points from his title in Sydney last year
before he has a chance the defend them this week. #2 is the highest
ranking Sampras has ever had. Neither Courier, Sampras nor Edberg
has played any tournaments that count towards the ranking points
since the US Open.
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-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
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From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Davis Cup
Date: 27 Sep 1992 11:00:31 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep26.192948.7292@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
> In article <1a1eoqINN44v@corax.udac.uu.se> chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
> >
> >And Edberg lost too.  No surprises so far.  It wasn't very nice to hear the audience cheer every time a Swede missed a serve.  But that's America for you, 
> >I guess.
> 
> I think the main reason for that is Davis Cup, not America.
> The American players received similar treatment in France
> last year, for example. Afterall, this is a competition between
> the countries. Stefan Edberg received a lot of support from
> the crowd (primarily Americans) during the US Open earlier
> this month.

You're probably right.  There's always a couple of idiots clapping in such
situations but I thought it was a bit unusual to hear the whole audience
go "yeeeaaaaah!!" when Kulti missed his first serve.  What I meant by my
"that's America" comment was that American crowds in general seem to make
a lot of noise even during the actual play.  I also noticed that when I watched
US Open.

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Davis-Cup vs. Jimbo-Martina-Spectacle
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:46:56 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari) writes:

>In article <19tnmcINNemk@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:

>>   one. She needs the cash
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Don't you  think she's made enough ... ($11 million + in prize money alone). I
>can't quit figure out why you state that she `needs' the cash. What did she do with all
>her earnings ??? 

Martina is rumored to have been fried by her "companion" in the
settlement, and is thought to be struggling a bit financially. I
am sure she is  not destitute. She could probably round up
a million or two if she had too. 

>- Hari

Stanford S. Guillory
guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Davis Cup final times and phone #'s
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:48:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct04.003000.25148@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>   The annoucers on ESPN expressed their regrets that the Davis Cup
>prices were too high.  Mary Carillo felt that there should be some
>lower priced tickets available, at least for children.  They had planned
>to sell tickets to the recent Davis Cup matche between Sweden and
>the US in three day blocks, but they couldn't sell out, due to the
>high prices, and even when they sold it day by day, they couldn't
>sell out.
>
>   Personally, I think that they shouldn't overprice these tickets
>either.  It should be kept in a reasonable price range (say 15 US
>dollars on one day) for some of the seats.

Exactly. I was shocked when the ESPN announcers mentioned that
three-day "series" tickets for the US-Sweden tie were as high as
a few hundred dollars :-( (can't remember the price exactly;
I hope that I just heard it wrong). And not everybody has the time
(especially the first day is a Friday) and interest to go three days
in a row. I paid $20-30 for the US Open early-round tickets and
found that a lot more reasonable (although availability was a problem,
but that's another topic).
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-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
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From: eddie@chpc.utexas.edu (Eddie Hedges)
Subject: articles
Keywords: posting
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:28:52 GMT

 Perhaps a guideline for us males should be would it be ok for our children,
sisters, mothers etc. to read what we have just posted. If a person posts
an article that is extremely obscene we could contact that person's USENET
ADMINISTRATOR.

Eddie

p.s. bye Anne ;-( 
-- 
Eddie Hedges          
eddie@chpc.utexas.edu
From: 128a-1fx@web-2h.berkeley.edu (roger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: IN DEFENSE OF STEFFI GRAF
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:18:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Oct1.130610.21509@cs.wayne.edu> faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:

>ask me, there seems to be a more competitive top 20 than there was a top
>10 just a few years back. Now even players ranked in the 50's can beat
>players ranked in the top ten.
>
this can also interpreted differently i.e. there's much weakness in the
top players that even someone ranked down in the 50s can beat someone
in the top ten 


From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 12:05:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Foot-faulter's anonymous
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com
Keywords: Hello Craig


In article <1992Sep23.060225.5085@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
mhopper@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mark Hopper) writes:
|> In article <15567@borg.cs.unc.edu> ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Madhav
Ponamgi) writes:
|> >Let me get my tennis skeletons out of the closet now that we have
|> >from here to eternity (well, January) for the next Grand Slam.
|> >
|> >Ok, ok, I'll admit it.  I'm addicted to foot-faulting.   I'm one of those
|> >advanced recreational players who can't serve without foot faulting.  I 
|> >stand two feet behind the line, but still foot fault.  I know I'm
not alone,
|> >there are hundreds if not thousands out there like me -- what can we do
|> >get control and yet keep our serve intact?   My worst nightmare involves
|> >a baseline judge who cries repeatedly, "FOOT-FAULT! FOOT FAULT! FOOT
FAULT!..."
|> >
|> >--madhav
|> >
|> >Foot-faulting is the alcoholism of tennis, "One drink ain't enough Jack,
|> >better get three..."  
|> 
|>  I wish there was a foot-fault judge to call foot-faults when I play.
|>  My regular playing partner for the past two years is a faulter and
|>  although he knows it he does nothing to change.
|>    What can be done?  I think it would be wrong for me to call a 
|>    foot fault from the other side of the court.
|>   I have tried serving from inside the service line myself in
|>   order to even things out but it feels funny to serve from there
|>  So what can one do to combat a foot-faulter, I have never seen a
|>  rec. player call a foot-fault before.
|>   Ideas?
|> MH  

	I know what you mean. If you call a foot fault, even in local league
	matches it's treated as rude.
	What do we "legal" players do about it ? Call the serve out ?
	It's a very confusing area, I hope someone has some good ideas on
	this one.


	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tournament Question
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:48:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct5.194855.19275
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

In article <5819@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> mliu@ucsb.edu (Liu) writes:
>Hello:
>There are (among others) 2 men's tournaments coming up: The Australian Indoor 
>and the Seiko Challenge (in Tokyo).
>
>What is the surface in each case?

The Tokyo indoor (Seiko Super Tennis) is played on carpet, while the Sydney
indoor (Australian Indoor) is one of the few events played on an indoor
hard court (not carpet).  Probably Rebound Ace, like the Australian Open,
or Deco-Turf II, like the U.S. Open.

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Davis Cup
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:29:48 GMT

In article <1a1eoqINN44v@corax.udac.uu.se> chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
>
>And Edberg lost too.  No surprises so far.  It wasn't very nice to hear the audience cheer every time a Swede missed a serve.  But that's America for you, 
>I guess.

I think the main reason for that is Davis Cup, not America.
The American players received similar treatment in France
last year, for example. Afterall, this is a competition between
the countries. Stefan Edberg received a lot of support from
the crowd (primarily Americans) during the US Open earlier
this month.

However, I agree that is not very nice though.
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-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
From: dcha@flex.com (Doug Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Spaghetti stringing/McEnroe's racket tension
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:58:25 HST
Organization: Flex Information Network [Hawaii] 808.531.3539

Rodger_Madison@rand.ORG (Rodger Madison) writes:

> Spaghetti stringing was a technique that put two strings through each
> hole in the tennis racquet.  I'm not sure what tension was used.  The net
> effect was to vasting increase the spin which was applied to the ball.
> Ilie Nastase (in the twilight of his career) among others experimented with
> such racquets.  No new rules were written to ban these racquets.  It was
> simple ruled that two sets of strings constituted a double hit on every
> stroke.
>
>      Rodger

Okay, don't call me a cheater now.. but It would be fun to try this Spaghetti
stringing technique just to see how my friend is affected by it.  I only play
for fun, so no one is going to call the USTA on me.

Anyone know if local tennis shops can do this, or will it have to be done on my
own?

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    +- GE:D.Cha1   dougc@musubi.pubnet.com   --------+      .H.Q.
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From: pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: RACQUET RECOMMENDATIONS
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:42:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.25953
Reply-To: pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

My girlfriend is in search of a new tennis racquet (she does not have
access to the net).  She is an avid player with good skill level and
is looking at replacing her old Wilson Sting.

She would like a wide body racquet, midsize,  that would allow her more
control with no real sacrifice in power.

I would appreciate any personal recommendations or sugeested sources
in looking for a new racquet.

Thanks in advance.

			   Mike
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From: ojarnef@admin.kth.se (Olle Jarnefors)
Subject: Re: Davis Cup
Summary: Result of second match, Agassi--Edberg
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:53:32 GMT

The second match, Agassi--Edberg:
   5-7
   6-3
   7-6 (7-1)
   6-3

--
Olle Jarnefors, Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm <ojarnef@admin.kth.se>
From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Davis Cup Final USA - Switzerland
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:44:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct5.194436.19179
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep29.151536.10713@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>Tom Gorman had already chosen Fort Worth, Texas, to be the site
>for the Davis Cup final a week BEFORE the semi (a little too confident
>IMO); that is, before he knew for sure who the other team was.
>I think that will be on hard courts. Anyone knows for sure?

I keep seeing this decision referred to as overconfidence or arrogance. I
think it was just so the people in Fort Worth could start preparing and
promoting, starting the instant the semifinal match against Sweden was won.
It has nothing to do with confidence or overconfidence.

The choice of surface need not be made at the same time as the choice of city.
When Tampa was chosen for the final two years ago, it was decided very late
in the process to have a clay court put down in the stadium there. Clay and
carpet can be put down very quickly, and you can choose carpets of different
speeds at a very late time in the decision process. Grass and concrete are a
little more expensive to do indoors, but I think grass is not really a
consideration for the U.S.  Serve and volley players like a fast carpet about
as well as grass, anyway, so only crazy Canadians would try to play Davis
Cup on grass. :-)


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From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:57:26 GMT
Subject: Stringing Patterns
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com

	Please, could one of you expert stringers out there tell me if it is
	possible to string an ordinary raquet diagonally, and if it is worth
	trying.

	Thanx.


	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: Paul Schroeder
Subject: Re: Modern Rackets
Organization: BNR
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 14:14:05 GMT

In article <19869@ector.cs.purdue.edu> knies@cs.purdue.EDU (Allan Knies)
writes:
>Does anyone else have problems with modern rackets being 
>too big, too powerful, and having too low a string density?
>
>I've played with Head TXEs for many years
>and before that an old wooden Jack Kramer (I don't switch
>rackets too often).
>
>For example, I looked over some rackets at a sports store
>last year and couldn't find any rackets whose head was as
>small as my TXE. In fact, it was difficult to find a racket 
>with <= 90 square in.  I find that rackets with large rackets 
>to be too powerful and difficult to control (I don't need the
>racket to generate power for me).

I began with the traditional wood racquets as well, alternating between the
Wilson Kramer and Dunlop Maxply for many years, and then played with the
Rossignal F200 Carbon (Wilander's old racquet) for about nine years.  Last year
I attempted to embrace the wide-body technology and purchased (after
considerable testing) the Yamaha Secret 04.  The racquet was indeed powerful
but I lost the control I had with my previous racquets;  also, I developed a
mild case of tennis elbow for the first time ever due to the stiffness of the
racquet.  I switch to the Wilson Pro Staff Classic, not a true wide-body but
wider than conventional racquets.  While I liked it fairly well, it did not
provide the control I was used to either.  About four months ago, I made a
final switch to the original Wilson Pro Staff, aka Pro Staff Kevlar.  This
racquet has a head size of 85 sq. in. and gives me the control I need along
with more punch than the wood racquets or Rossignol.  I wish I had been using
it years ago.  I don't need the racquet to generate power for me, and my game
is built around consistency, control, and spin.  For these reasons, I doubt I
will switch to a wide-body again until age requires it.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Davis Cup
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:30:59 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@periodic.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Sep28.165152.8896@news2.cis.umn.edu>, bose@unity.cs.umn.edu (Ashim Bose) writes:
>In article <1a1eoqINN44v@corax.udac.uu.se> chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
>>
>>And Edberg lost too.  No surprises so far.  It wasn't very nice to hear the audience cheer every time a Swede missed a serve.  But that's America for you, 
>>I guess.
>>
>>- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
>
>I was ashamed to hear that too.  There was really no need for that kind of
>"support", but I guess people are too used to the "Basketball Fan SYndrome"
>where you try to distract the opponents on the free-throw line.  I would like
>to think that not all American tennis fans are like that.  There were a lot of
>teenagers in the crowd who were there just to root for Agassi and not to 
>appreciate a good game of tennis.

    I think all this cheering just comes with the game.  For a long
time, McEnroe complained that the American crowds weren't supportive
enough.   I think Americans tend to fall in the middle of the politeness
range for crowds.   A country like Sweden or England or Japan would probably
be the more polite.  A country like Paraguay, Italy, or most South
American countries tend to be quite loud, but I think they are this
vocal with games like soccer (football) so it's not so surprising.

    I know someone like Billie Jean King would like this kind of vocal
support for the sport (like for TeamTennis) since an active audience
may mean a loyal one.

     Still, tennis has been known as something of a genteel sport, and
people can be supportive without being too rude, but my personal opinion
is that the crowds are part of Davis Cup, and there are audiences which
are worse (and better) than the US.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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