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From: tony@s3bob.scubed.com (Tony Luu)
Subject: SIGN-OFF
Organization: S-Cubed, San Diego California
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:31:51 GMT

i'm posting this for a friend.

Please remove her name from the SCV/vietnet mailing list.
the mailing address is
	tavu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu



Tony Tri Luu

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: CE_NGUYEN@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Sinh Nguyen)
Subject: Re thuye^`n vie^~n xu*'
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:01:31 GMT

da.t so^' cho mo^?i bao.  Sau ddo' thi` la^'y ra nhu+ sau:
        bao 1 -------> mo^.t vie^n
        bao 2 _______> hai vie^n
        .........
        bao 10 _____> mu+o+`i vie^n
ddem ca^n mo^.t la^`n vo+'i nhu+~ng vie^n mo+'i la^'y ra ===> dda'p so^'

checkout for yourself.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: folduon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
Subject: [nha.c] Tu+o+?ng Ngu+o+`i Che^'t -Di (???)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Nov 1992 12:45 EST  


				Sa'ng ta'c:  Tra^`n Thie^.n Thanh
				Tri`nh ba`y: Ngo.c Lan


Tu+o+?ng ngu+o+`i che^'t -di,
nhu+ng kho^ng anh la.i ve^`.
Anh tro+? ve^` tu+` ngu.c to^'i hay mo^. sa^u?
Ngu+o+`i ye^u o+i! anh co`n -do' em co`n -da^y.
Ti`nh ma(.n ho+n nu+o+'c ma('t.
Ngu+o+`i ye^u o+i! khi ti`nh thie^'u phu't vui ga^`n,
ti`nh tha`nh nghi~a trang buo^`n.
Tha^.t kho^ng em hay la` giu+~a co+n mo^.ng tro^i,
bu+`ng da^.y ma^'t nhau tho^i.
Vo`ng tay o^m xin tha^.t a^'m, xin tha^.t -da^`y,
-de^? co`n trong bao la^u.

Tu+o+?ng ngu+o+`i .......
......................... hay mo^. sa^u?
Ti`nh nga`y xu+a nhen a^'m 
trong ta^m ho^`n -do^i ti`nh nha^n.
Ti`nh ba`ng hoa`ng nghe bom su'ng, 
anh muo^n tru`ng ne^n ti`nh buo^`n.
Tha^.t nhie^`u -de^m u+o+'c muo^'n
chie^'n chinh da`i se~ ta`n phai.
Ngu+o+`i va^~n co`n ngu+o+`i trong tay.
Ro^`i mo^.t -de^m nghe su'ng 
ke^u ba la^`n trong vu+o+`n hoang.
Mo^.t nu+~a ho^`n nghe tin ba'o
anh nga~ gu.c chie^'n tru+o+`ng ga^`n.
Mo^. na`o cho bia go^~
da^'u so+n -de^` te^n ngu+o+`i tha^n.
Co`n la.i chuye^.n gi` cho em?

Tu+o+?ng la` che^'t -di,
nhu+ng kho^ng anh la.i ve^`, 
anh la.i ve^`, anh la.i ve^`.
Va`nh kha(n tang, o^i! ti`nh tu+'
nhu+ lo+`i em -do+.i cho+` trong gio^ng ba~o.
-Da.i du+o+ng cha^n tra^n cha^u ba'o
cu~ng kho^ng ba(`ng mo^.t phu't gia^y tu+o+ng phu`ng.
Ti`nh tra(m na(m cho ti`nh nga('n tre^n tra^`n gian,
ti`nh tro.n nghi~a ye^u -du+o+ng.
Ti`nh thie^n thu cho ngu+o+`i che^'t
-da~ tro+? ve^` tuye^.t vo+`i nhu+ ho^m nay.

Tu+o+?ng ngu+o+`i ........
.................. mo^. sa^u?



m.l.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: v-nguyen@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (Viet-Anh V Nguyen)
Subject: Re: [REL. & SCI.] Khoa Ho.c va` PG
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:02:04 GMT

From: tran@neep.engr.wisc.edu
>
>  ...
>
>This, I can explain:
>
>Right speech does include "not to spread biased and unchecked info not only
>to defame other religions but also to any bad purpose".
>
>But first, let's look at the definition of the word "slander":
>
>SLANDER: 1. Law. The utterance of defamatory statement injurious to the
>reputation or well-being of a person. 2. A malicious statement or report.
>(The American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition)
>
>I would like to add the definition of the word "truth":
>
>TRUTH: 1.Conformity to fact or actuality. 2. Fidelity to an original or
>standard. 3. Reality; actuality. 4. A statement proven to be or accepted as
>true.
>
>  ...
>
>CTN


By the way, CTN, could you email me (or repost) your previous article about
the Vatican's connection with the Mafia (with quotes from Priests and Politic-
ians) and the one that has a list of recommended books about the "Catholic 
terror"? I deleted them by accident. And upon receiving them, I'll have a 
response to your claim above (as well as those about religious and scientific
truths).

Thanks,
Vietanh Nguyen
From: klsn@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM(Lu*~Kha'ch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: (Nha.c) Ha.nh Phu'c Lang Thang
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:28:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: klsn@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

       Ha.nh Phu'c Lang Thang
		      Tra^`n Ngo.c So+n


 Nga`y a^'y em nhu+ hoa sen,
 Mang nhie^`u gia'ng hie^n` nhu+~ng khi chie^`u
 le^n,
 Nga`y a^'y em nhu+ su+o+ng trong
 Ne'p be^n bo^ng ho^`ng, mu+o+.t tre^n ca'nh
 nhung
 Nga`y a^'y em nhu+ cung to+
 Cho ddo+`i tha^~n tho+`cho to^i de^.t mo+
 -Du+o+`ng khuya tay ddan ngo'n tay
 u+o+'c cho ddo+`i u+o+'c mo+ da`i

  Nhu+ng na(m tha'ng vo^ ti`nh
  Ma` lo`ng ngu+o+`i cu~ng vo^ ti`nh
  Ro^`i ma`u u'a thay ma`u xanh
  Ngu+o+`i ye^u xa be^'n mo^.ng
  -Do` xu+a da~ sang so^ng
  Do`ng ddo+`i tro^i me^nh mo^ng
  Gia'ng xu+a nay xa ro^`i
  -Du+o+`ng khuya mu+a ro+i ro+i
  Pho^' xu+a que^n mo^.t ngu+o+`i
  Ba`n cha^n gieo ddo+n co^i
  Gi'o mang theo co+n la.nh
  Ve^` ro't le^. tre^n mo^i

 Nga`y a^'y ye^u em say me^
 To^i na`o nghi~ gi` dde^'n ca^u tu+` ly
 Ti`nh ai' kho^ng xanh nhu+ tho+
 -De^'n chung ho+i tho+?, ro^`i tro^i ra^'t xa

 Ha.nh phu'c lang thang nhu+ ma^y
 Cho ho^`n ha'o ga^`y, khi ta co`n dda^y
 Tu+`ng dde^m qua trong gia^'c mo+
 Va^~n mong cho+` co'em ve^`.

		* * *

LK
From: mlt@thezipline.Corp.Sun.COM (My-Ly Ta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Misc: Housekeeper
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:59:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mlt@thezipline.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thezipline.corp.sun.com

Hello Fello netters

I am looking for a housekeeper in the Bay Area (Union City)
If anybody out there could recommend a good reliable one
your helps will be greatly appreciated.

Please contact me at 510-489-7091 or 415-688-9211

thx
MLT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: Nhan Tran <tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com>
Subject: NEWS/VN: No trace of downed plane
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:49:25 GMT


11/17

Still no trace of missing Vietnamese plane

    HANOI, Nov 18, Reuter - Four days after a Vietnamese plane with 31 people 
on board went missing, rescue workers have still found no trace of wreckage, an
airline official said on Wednesday.
    The Soviet-made YAK-40 plane went down in a typhoon minutes before its
scheduled landing at the southern resort town of Nha Trang on Saturday after a
flight from Ho Chi Minh City.
    The plane, with 16 Vietnamese and six crew, also carried four Taiwanese, a
Briton, a Frenchman, a Swede and two people from the Netherlands.
    The Vietnam Airlines official said search teams were flying over the
mountains in that coastal area, while other teams were searching on the sea and
roads.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: CYCLOPS 2000-3D  16-Nov-1992 1831 <cyclops@pate.enet.dec.com>
Subject: [Tho+] Me. va` Que^ Hu+o+ng
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: cyclops@pate.enet.dec.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:58:47 GMT


	
	Nhie^`u khi cu~ng muo^'n ve^` nha`
	Cho vo+i thu+o+ng nho+' me. gia` ngo'ng tro^ng
	Tu+` nga`y con vu+o+.t bie^?n-Do^ng
	Lang thang dda^'t kha'ch ddu+o+`ng kho^ng lo^'i ve^`
	La`m sao cho ddu+o+.c ve.n be^`
	Gia ddi`nh, to^? quo^'c, vo+'i que^ hu+o+ng mi`nh
	Ngu+o+`i ta so^'ng pha?i co' ti`nh
	Ti`nh que^, ti`nh nu+o+'c, gia ddi`nh, xo'm tho^n
	Trung hie^u' le^~ nghi~a luo^n luo^n
	La`m phu+o+ng cha^m dde^? so+'m ho^m trau gio^`i
	Mu+o+`i ma^'y na(m thoa'ng qua ro^`i	
	Cuo^.c ddo+`i va^~n pha?i no^?i tro^i da~i da^`u
	Con kho^ng mo+ mo^.ng sang gia`u
	So^'ng cho ra so^'ng nho+' ca^u da(.n do`
	Thuye^`n ddi va^~n nho+' be^'n ddo`
	Chim ddi nho+' to^?, ngu+o+`i lo ve^` nguo^`n
	Nho+' nha` da. nga^?n ngo+ buo^`n
	Xu+' ngu+o+`i o+? dda^.u co`n luo^n u sa^`u
	Chu+~ "trung" To^? Quo^'c ddu+'ng dda^`u
	Tu?i tha^n  chu+a the^? tro`n ca^u ba'o dde^`n
	Que^ hu+o+ng ma'u cha?y ruo^.t me^`m
	Me. gia` co`n ddo', dde^m dde^m nguye^.n ca^`u
	Co^~ tra`ng ha.t dda~ phai ma`u
	Con ddi nga`y a^'y dda~ la^u la('m ro^`i
	Me. nay to'c ba.c da mo^`i
	Nho+' con trong da. ddu+'ng ngo^`i kho^ng ye^n
	Gio`ng ddo+`i tuo^n cha?y lie^n mie^n
	Que^ hu+o+ng co`n ddo? no^~i nie^`m thu+o+ng ddau
	Me. o+i nga`y a^'y kho^ng la^u
	Gia(.c tan con se~ mau mau tro+? ve^`
	Nga`y ve^` cu~ng dda~ ca^.n ke^`
	Bo.n gia(.c sa.ch bo'ng tre^n que^ hu+o+ng mi`nh
	Con ve^` trong ca?nh thanh bi`nh
	Tie^'ng ga` ga'y so+'m bi`nh minh tho^n la`ng
	Ba.n be` lo^'i xo'm cha.y sang
	Ha`n huye^n chuye^.n cu~ tra(m nga`n nho+' thu+o+ng
	-De.p thay ti`nh ca?m co^' hu+o+ng
	Tu?i tha^n so^' kie^'p tha phu+o+ng la.c loa`i

			*  *  *

	Con thu+o+ng me. nha^'t tre^n ddo+`i
	Ma` con dda`nh cu+' hoa~n do+`i ve^` tha(m
	Trong lo`ng muo^'i sa't dao dda^m
	Vi` sao pha?i chi.u lu+o+ng ta^m da`y vo` ?
	Vi` to^? quo^'c vi` co+ ddo^`
	Co`n trong tay gia(.c Co^.ng no^ ca^`m quye^`n
	Ca('n ra(ng dda`nh chi.u lo^~i nguye^`n
	Kho^ng nho^? ro^`i lie^'m vi` tie^`n vi` danh
	Cu~ng kho^ng luo^`n cu'i cha.y quanh
	Nu+o+ng bo'ng co+` gia(.c ma` tha`nh Vie^.t gian
	Nu+o+'c ngu+o+`i mo?i bu+o+'c quan san
	Con ve^` co' ngo.n co+` va`ng tung bay
	Muo^n ngu+o+`i chung su+'c du+.ng xa^y
	Kho^ng co`n kha('c khoa?i tha'ng nga`y la^`m than
	Me. mu+`ng con me. ha^n hoan
	Kha('p que^ hu+o+ng, mo.i xo'm la`ng dde^`u vui
  
 
	T.M

Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:9789 soc.culture.french:8622
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: Trade Wars
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:06:20 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.065123.1882@ericsson.se>, olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.162831.21272@clsi.COM>, kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
> |> 
> |> Don't get your point John (the British navy has aircraft carriers anyway).
> |> 
> 
> The U.S. Navy could easily block the energy supply from the Arab countries. I
> doubt the few aircraft carriers France and Great Britain have would pose any
> big threat to the U.S. when you consider ...

That would be war, not a "trade war", and in case you have forgotten: the French
make Exocet missiles, Britain and France both have nuclear weapons, and there is
a lot of oil in the North Sea. I think if it comes to U.S. Vs. Europe the
Europeans will be cohesive enough,Margret Thatcher is no longer a European
leader, and the U.S. ain't what it used to be.


Kev.
-- 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:9569 alt.politics.ec:233
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.ec
Subject: Re: Europa, Europa and DENMARK
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:43:09 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1e8nrdINN79d@morrow.stanford.edu>, berne@nova3 (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:
>I am not. The 5 scandinavian countries are well known to be among the most
>advanced countries in the world, as far as society is concerned, and for me at
>least the poll's results were just a confirmation of what I already knew.
>(Actually I wrote 'among' just in case someone brings up an example of some
>country I never heard of)
>If there is to be a competition on the matter of social security, welfare,
>etc... it's going to take place among the scandinavian lands, but the poll was
>dealing with EC countries only: that's why Denmark was always number one.

that's going to change if the governments join the countries to EC.

//Jyrki
From: olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Trade Wars
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:46:27 GMT
Organization: Ericsson

In article <Bxv7r1.H3o@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS) writes:
|> Whats the general feeling over there in Europe about the possiblity
|> of a trade war with the Americans??  The papers in Canada seem to
|> be blaming the French for being obstructionists??  Here (Canada)
|> we are just concerned about being caught in the middle.

The EC has to build some aircraft carriers before starting a trade war. So the
French should not be so hypocritical as long as we do not have any real army
in Western Europe.

Regards
John-Olof
From: fritsch@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Lothar Fritsch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: European studens congress in Belgium finished
Date: 21 Nov 1992 17:15:47 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, U of Saarland, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de

The 'Congres Europeen des Etudiants' in Liege, Belgium, finished yesterday.
More than 1000 Students from all over Europe held the congress organised by
students of the University of Liege.
 The students discussed about european social policy, environment policy,
the role of Europe in the world and many other things. They had the chance
to visit several places around Liege and to visit the faculties of the
University of Liege.

The congress was the second congress of this kind, the first one took place
in 1990 in Liege.

Maybe I'll post some more information, the final papers and other things as
soon as I received them.

yours,

Lothar

--
Lothar Fritsch, Student der Universitaet des Saarlandes, Fachb. Informatik
e-mail: fritsch@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de    phone: (ger) 06821-72562

"Was haben Sie studiert?" - "Hexen und zaubern."
                          "Aeh ... achso ... Geisteswissenschaften!"
                                                   (aus: Addams Family)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Balkan Horror Threatenes Tiny, Tolerant Macedonia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:15:46 GMT

sk@groo.sunbim.be (Sasa Konecni) writes:

>This is an article from  Columbus  Dispatch,  the  largest  daily
>newspaper in Ohio, USA.


>BALKAN HORROR THREATENES TINY, TOLERANT MACEDONIA


>     Gligorov is the handsome, dignified president of  Macedonia,

 The begining of the article speaks well for the remaining part.

>which  historically has been squeezed among Serbia, Albania, Bul-
>garia and Greece. 

 Historically? Only Andy Fear could claim such things.

>     He is highly respected, both inside his new state and inter-
>nationally, for his elegant, commonsense approach to the xenopho-
>bic Balkans.

 I guess, murduring Albanians is considered "elegant."

>      So little, vulnerable Macedonia, with barely 2 million peo-
>ple,  should  be  rewarded  by  the  world, right? So storied Ma-
>cedonia, from which sprang Alexander the Great, Kemal Ataturk and
>even Aristotle, should be gratefully embraced by the community of
>nations, correct?

 What? Even Kemal Ataturk was Macedonian?  I thought he was Turk.

>      Not at all! Macedonia remains  unrecognized  by  other  na-
>tions. Its economy is grinding to a halt. Its tiny throw-together
>army of 6,000 men is no danger to anybody, least of  all  Greece,
>with  a well-equipped army 25 times larger. Finally, the Gligorov
>government's heroic and successful effort to keep all its hostile
>minorities  (Albanians,  Romanian  Vlachs,  Bulgarians, Serbs and
>Greeks) living in peace is ever more threatened.

 Hostile minorities?  Give me a break !!

>     Macedonia remains floating alone in the stormy  Balkans  be-
>cause  Greece  refuses  to let it use its historical name and has
>vetoed recognition of the republic by the European Community.

 Again, the same story about a supposed Greek veto.  The same lie
 again and again.  Such a lie, and they keep repeating it.

>article presented to NewsNet by:
>S. Konecni
From: mike.kozovski@rose.com (mike kozovski)
Subject: Flag in Toronto
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:40:50 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-23-92 01:36
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
> From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
> Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
> References: <By0FL7.6LI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <By4ME8.LpL@gabriel.keele.ac.uk
> Message-ID: <By5Hv9.DM0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
> X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)
> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner)
> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:01:56 GMT
> Lines: 21
>
> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

                                         Nov. 22 -92



Toronto,  Canada.

        The Toronto Macedonian  Youth  Association organized a very
successful  and peaceful parade, commemorating Macedonian
independence.

        Earlier in the week, several hundred Greeks confronted the
Toronto Chief of Police and warned him of the violence that
would occur if the Macedonians were allowed to raise the FLAG as
planed. Unlike the Cambridge city officials the Toronto
officials stood firm and allowed the Macedonians to carry out
their planed celebration.

        About 8 thousand Canadian Macedonians gathered at Queen's Park
From Queen's Park the parade headed east to Yonge St.  then
south to Queen St. and west on Queen to City Hall. At City Hall
the parade was welcomed by a live band and another thousand or so
supporters.

        After  several short speeches, the Canadian anthem was sung
while the Canadian flag was raised. Although Toronto can be cool
in November and today was no exception, I only felt incredible
warmth as we sang our Macedonian anthem and with tearful eyes
watched our FLAG being raised.

         In my 37 years I have felt that same warm feeling only four
times, my wedding day, the births of my two sons and today. It
truly was a great day.

Mike

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From: tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI (TERVI| MARKO J)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Go away!
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:42:28 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <5459@daily-planet.concordia.ca> mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) writes:


>Can we have a newsgroup devoted to soc.culture.europe and those
>wishing to discuss Greek-Macedonian-Turkish issues (which constitute
>the vast majority of submissions here yet constitute a small part of
>the those interested in european culture) find their own home elsewhere.
>The manners I have seen displayed here leave me in little doubt that
>this request will be ignored. How about setting up a new newsgroup with
>a title reflecting its content?

A GREAT IDEA!!!  How about creating soc.talk.ethnicbashing ?  That would 
clean some other newsgroups, like soc.culture.yugoslavia .  After 
all, these network maniacs don't want to really read any sensible postings 
either, so I guess everyone would be better off.  They can't really believe 
that anyone sane really gets something from their "contribution" to the 
conversation.  
   However could it be so that this Net saves lives - It seems like many 
writers in this group would be out there using RIFLES and killing 
nationals of their choice if they didn't happen to have an access to a 
COMPUTER.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 09:14:57 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Council of Europe

Does anyone know...and would like to post the full membership
of the Council of Europe? I don't know who is all in it.


-Cro

P.S. Recognize Macedonia!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: mjh@stekt6.oulu.fi (Mauri Haikola)
Subject: Re: Go away!
Reply-To: mjh@stekt.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:18:43 GMT

In article <5459@daily-planet.concordia.ca> mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) writes:

> Can we have a newsgroup devoted to soc.culture.europe and those
> wishing to discuss Greek-Macedonian-Turkish issues (which constitute
> the vast majority of submissions here yet constitute a small part of
> the those interested in european culture) find their own home elsewhere.

Here is a partial solution to the problem, for those using gnus as
their newsreader. This kill-file has worked for me pretty well during
the past months:

(gnus-kill "Subject" "argic")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "mutlu")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "yugosl")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "croat")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "bosnia")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "herzegov")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "maced")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "serb")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "turkish")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "turks")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "greek")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "greece")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "armenia")
(gnus-kill "From" "argic")
(gnus-kill "From" "mutlu")
(gnus-expunge "X")

Of course you can take those keywords and apply them to the
kill-file-format of your newsreader, if you're not using gnus. Oh boy,
how nice it was to read s.c.e after I had made that file.. :-)

Mauri
mjh@stekt.oulu.fi
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Georgia (was Re: Macedonia)
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:12:14 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <92324.092147U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> U52148@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Or why doesn't the U.S. force the country of
>Georgia to change its name? After all, there IS a state called Georgia.

I can't believe you don't realise this, but for what it's worth:
The country of Georgia can't possibly change its English name.
What Georgia is called in English is up to the English speakers,
very few of whom reside in the Republic of Georgia.  It is also up to
the Russian speakers what to call her in Russian, up to the Armenian
speakers what to call her in Armenian, up to the Greek speakers what
to call her in Greek, and so on.

The only name of Georgia that is up to the country herself is the name
she calls herself in her national language (Georgian), viz. _Sak`art`velo_
(I use "`" for aspiration here).  That is the only name that Georgians can
change if they so desire.  Of course, if anyone attempts to force them to
do so, he must be told promptly to get lost.

Which holds for any other country in the world.

-- 
 `Haud yer wheesht!  Come oot o the man an gie him peace.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Go away!
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:33:36 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Originator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca


Can we have a newsgroup devoted to soc.culture.europe and those
wishing to discuss Greek-Macedonian-Turkish issues (which constitute
the vast majority of submissions here yet constitute a small part of
the those interested in european culture) find their own home elsewhere.
The manners I have seen displayed here leave me in little doubt that
this request will be ignored. How about setting up a new newsgroup with
a title reflecting its content?