HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Real-time graphing - call for suggestions
From: mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:27:46 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

> Basically, what we want to do is ...

I have been prototyping software for the new control center being
designed for NASA-Marshall. It will of course have similar,
real-time X display requirements.

We are building a display contruction and operation prototype which
lets the user build/operate a display consisting of plots, virtual
instruments, digital text, graphics, and other objects. The primary
thing you would probably be interested in is the widgets we are using.
At this time, we are using the DynaGraphX data widgets, which are
basically the DataViews graphic objects with an Xt interface. I sel-
ected DynaGraphX because it has a wide range of widgets and IHMO,
is well suited to real-time. It also supports the features you
described. I also considered and may use in the future, widgets from:

     XRT/Graph   (KL Group) - nice appearance and lots of flex.
     Xtra        (GSS)      - ditto
     INT widgets (INT)      - nice widgets initially for oil apps.

A good source of info on widgets is the Integrated Computing
Solutions (ICS) widget databook. It is a listing of COTS and free
widgets from which you can pick and choose. There is also a Free
Widget Foundation (FWF) from which you can obtain various free
widgets. The ICS databook references some of the FWF widgets. I
have not checked up on the FWF in a while and it may offer many
more widgets.

We also developed a custom widget which supports all the digital
text, static graphic, and dynamic graphic display. All the code
I have described is owned by NASA, so you can get ahold of it if
you really want to.

> Right now we're using X11R4/5 ...

I use R5 and Motif (and obviously Xt) with no problems.

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From: ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk (Jonny Farringdon)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: X screen dump
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:51:24 GMT
Distribution: comp.windows.x
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

lallemen@bellieni.loria.fr (Yannick Lallement) writes:
>I need to dump an entire X screen to a file. xwd does not do that. I
>need something which can work on a X-terminal (the Sun "screendump" is
>not ok.) If you have any idea...

>   Yannick Lallement -   ting  system,  but  I   - lallemen@loria.fr
If you do something like ...
 
xwd -out screen.x
xwd | xpr -dev ps -out screen.ps
xwd | xpr -dev ps | lpr
 
and select the root window for xwd (rather than any particular window) you
WILL find it gets the entire screen.
 
 
J.  ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk
 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: X Test Suite
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:08:11 GMT


	Can someone please point me to the X Test Suite and a
list of bugs discovered in the standard MIT X server? Thanks,
	-- Ethan


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	-- Judy Tenuta
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: srinivas@camelot.mcs.utulsa.EDU (Palepu Srinivas)
Subject: Subcription to e-mail newsletter about X
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:41:29 GMT


Please send me the above newsletter.
My e-mail address is  :

srinivas@euler.mcs.utulsa.edu

Thanks
srinivas
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Motif numbers per Open Systems Today &
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:00:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.174139.17302@twg.com> "David Herron" <david@twg.com> writes:
>- You can resize windows from any edge or corner.  Unlike most other window
>  managers.  twm has mac-itis in that you can only resize from the upper
>  right corner.  olwm only allows resizes from corners.  gwm doesn't care ;-)
It took me all of like 45 seconds to configure my twm so that
I could resize from anywhere on the frame.

>Now... someone may pop up and give a way to configure twm such that
>with some funky key & button combination resizes can be accomplished
>from anywhere in a window.
No key and button tricks. My twm is bound so that Button2 on the
frame resizes. The fault, if there is any, is in the initial bindings,
not in twm itself. As for visibility, I don't have any trouble
seeing the border.

-Ekr


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: kaleb@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley)
Subject: Re: Why X libraries are not reentrant?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:44:32 GMT

In article mattb@sdd.hp.com (Matt Bonner) writes:
>In article mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>|> In article cs000hf@selway.umt.edu (Hong Fan) writes:
>|> 
>|> > and Why X libraries are not reentrant?,
>|> 
>|> Because it's a lot of work and nobody's been willing to do it.
>|> 
>
>Am I remembering right that R6, the multi-threaded X server, will have
>to re-write all the calls to be re-entrant?  If so, there's the thing
>to hope and pray for, I guess.

The multi-thread X server and multi-thread Xlib are two different things.  
Stephen Gildea presented a paper at the X Tech. Conference, which is 
published in full in Volume 5 of the X Resource.  I'll let Stephen go 
into more detail here, if more is necessary.

In a nutshell however, it has been publicly stated that R6 will have both 
the multi-thread X Server and multi-thread Xlib.

Unfortunately, Xt and the Widgets are not re-entrant, so the mere avail-
ability of threaded Xlib won't allow applications Xt-based applications
to use threads...

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rduff@arrirs04.uta.edu (Robert Duff)
Subject: Problems with X11R5 on Sparc with SunOS 4.1.3...
Organization: Automation and Robotics Research Institute, U Texas @ Arlington
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:00:23 GMT


We have a Sun SparcStation with SunOS 4.1.3 and GCC 2.3.3...

I retrieved the X11-R5 distribution, applied all patches, changed
site.def to use GCC, and proceeded with: 

	make World BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="-DNOSTDHDRS"
	
The compile worked fine.

-------------- Problem 1: ----------------

Then I issued:
	
	make install 

It bombed while installing "xterm".

"xterm" had already been built, but install wanted to link
"xterm.inst".  The linker reported that "alloca" was an undefined
symbol.

------------- Problem 2 ---------------

Even those clients that had been installed will not run.  We tried to
execute them from other hosts and every client returns:

	Error: can't open display ***

The DISPLAY variable is set correctly, and "xhost +" has been run on
the server side.

For those who have successfully built R5, are there any more caveats
that I haven't taken into account?

Also, does anyone have an R5 distribution compiled on a SparcStation
with SunOS 4.1.3 that we could possible snag the binaries?

Thanks for any and all responses!

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mh@awds.imsd.contel.com (Mike Hoegeman)
Subject: SunSoft's OpenWindows Directions (is full speed backwards)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems, Westlake Village, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:01:08 GMT

In article <lmbdp8INNomg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> pierre@stendhal.Eng.Sun.COM (Pierre Bedard (SunSoft Windows Marketing)) writes:

>OLIT IMPROVEMENTS
>The mid 1993 release of Solaris will feature major 
>improvements in the OPEN LOOK Intrinsics Toolkit (OLIT) 
>based on X11R5 intrinsics. A candidate for IEEE 
>standardization, you can easily port applications 
>developed with OLIT to European and Asian versions. You 
>can dynamically customize OLIT applications at runtime, 
>allowing better control of fonts and colors. Sporting the 
>same look and feel of applications developed with 
>SunSoft's popular XView toolkit, OLIT is an intrinsics-
>based alternative.

Sun moving to X11R5 is dumping xnews is somewhat understandable.

Offering OLIT as the direction to go in windowing toolkits (in my
humble opinion) is *not*.

If the best thing that Sun can come up with is yet another crusty
intrinsic based toolkit they should just throw in the towel toolkit
wise and offer someone else's toolkit. Something decent like OI or an
openlook version of Tk or interviews. Yes I suppose OLIT is tolerable
but it's just the same-old-sh*t. If had to use a intrinsic based
toolkit I would just use the OSF motif intrinsics toolkit and be done
with it.

I am not implying they should keep with TNT and NeWS (that's pretty
much hopeless).  But give us *something* reasonable. If all Sun is
going to come up with is a pointless no brainer like OLIT they should
just throw in the toolkit towel. 

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From: beck@irs132.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: How to incorporate Xlib-based GUI into a Motif-based GUI? HELP!
Keywords: XLIB, MOTIF
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:41:24 GMT
Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs132.inf.tu-dresden.de


Hi,

Motif provides you with a simple Widget exactly for this purpose, that is
called XmDrawingArea. You can take any Xlib calls, and let them work onto
the XtWindow(drawingAreaWidget).

It's also possible to use a core widget for this, but Motif provides
add-on-functionality with drawingArea's.

The only problem is that you have to change the event-getting-loop of the
original Xlib client somehow to match the Xt event dispatching rules.
(XtAddEventHandler f.i.)

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From: eyu@hamlet.umd.edu (Ellen Yu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Contact information for Visionware XVision
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:32:19 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


Hi all!

I'm new to this particular group and was perusing through old messages
about PC-based X server software.  I noticed one name that I did not
recognize which was Visionware XVision.  Does anyone have an address
and phone number I can call to get more info on this product?  

I've already looked at NCD PC-Xview, but need to compare some other 
products before I make a decision.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Ellen Yu
From: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Motif numbers per Open Systems Today &
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

We're one of those "78% of all sites has Motif running on at least one 
machine" sites. We have over 400 Suns, we run Motif on *exactly* one
of those systems because some #$%^& software developer put too much stock
in those Open Systems Today statistics and forced us to buy Motif. 

Motif is for those who miss Microsoft Windows now that they're "forced"
to use UNIX.

BTW, who makes the best Openwin/Xview/OLIT for HP?

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= David Williams              "You can't win, you can't break even,     =
= Ericsson Network Systems     and you can't quit"                      =
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From: ohansen@europe.cisco.com (Ove Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: NCD's xdm and password aging
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:50:36 GMT
Organization: Cisco Systems Europe
NNTP-Posting-Host: europe.cisco.com

I've just set up an NCD X-terminal, after it boots up I get the normal
login screen, where I type my username and password. Now, the problem
is that we use password aging (the system is a Sun running SunOS 4.1.1
and X11R4, by the way), and after I type in my password I get 'login
incorrect'. If I remove the password aging stuff from my entry in the
password file, I can login just fine. I assume it is because NCDs version
of 'xdm' doesn't understand password aging. What can I do about this? Is
'xdm' supposed to know about password aging? Does anyone have a version
which *does* support password aging? Do I get and hack the source myself,
or should I simply get on the blower to NCD? Any feedback (which doesn't
say 'forget about using password aging...) will be most welcome.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: tek@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Ted Kim (Random Dude))
Subject: R5 rooms
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:07:23 GMT

Where can I find a rooms package that works with R5?  

I find rooms more appealing than panning around on those large virtual
desktops.

The xrooms.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu seems not to be updated from
R4. I know that gwm supports rooms, but I don't want to switch window
managers.

Any leads out there?

-ted

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From: yipd@cs.man.ac.uk (David Yip)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Getting image data from a Pixmap
Summary: getting image data from a pixmap
Keywords: Getting image data from a Pixmap
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:43:22 GMT

Hello,

	I have a routine which only operates on drawables (windows or pixmaps)
and this routine effectively grabs a picture and puts it into a window or 
pixmap. What I want to do is get at the data associated with the "picture"
that the routine has created. In the same format as data associated in Ximage
ie char *data and then do something with that.

	Would i first create a pixmap then convert it to a Ximage by using
XGetImage?

	If this is right how do I go about creating the dummy pixmap.

	As you can proably tell I don't know what I am going really.

	So any help would be appreciated.

	Thanks in advance,

	David.
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From: wefuchs@faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Werner Fuchs )
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: When Can I Change the Defaults of X?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:22:31 GMT
Organization: CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

lusardi@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Christopher Lusardi) writes:

>When I'm running X windows, can I basically change things in the file
>.Xdefaults or change the defaults directly (font etc.) and have these 
>changes applied to the current session without exiting X and re-entering 
>it?

Run   xrdb .Xdefaults
or create a textfile with your changed resource settings and run
xrdb with this file as parameter.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: nosmo@nov8.ximage.com (Vince Kraemer)
Subject: Max Property size
Reply-To: nosmo@ximage.com
Organization: XImage Corp., San Jose, CA
Distribution: comp.window.x
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:21:41 GMT


Is there a way to determine the maximum size of a property that is
allowed on server?  I have selections which may be large and would like
a way to find out sooner (before I generate a Alloc error) rather than
later.

thanks
vbk
From: begley@l14h13.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: MacIntosh X Emulators
Keywords: Mac, X
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:45:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences


   Can anyone offer a quanitative comparison of the speed at which the
two MacIntosh X window emulators, MacX and Exodus, draw graphics?  Or
point to a magazine that may have made such a comparison?
   We have a workstation running MATRIXx on an Ethernet and have 2 workstations
and about 10 Macs which will connect to it.  Having only tried Exodus,
we only get satisfactory drawing speeds from our Mac IIfx.  Our IIci's and 
Mac II's are rather pokey.  Obviously a $2000 CPU upgrade will solve the
problem, but a $200 switch to MacX would be a cheaper alternative.
From: dhan@cs.arizona.edu (Dhananjay M. Mahajan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.ms.programmer
Subject: Comparison between MS Windows and X Windows
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:04:55 GMT
Followup-To: poster

If anyone has worked in both MS Windows and X windows environment, I
would like to know about your experience about these two with respect to
:-
1. ease of learning.
2. flexibility in design and implementation
3. ease in implementing a given application (probably 2 should cover
this)
4. portability.

I would appreciate any comments on these issues. Please send your
responses to dhan@cs.arizona.edu

Many thanks,
Dhananjay
dhan@cs.arizona.edu
Dept of Computer Science,
University of Arizona.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: shaw@cbnewse.cb.att.com (steven.k.shaw)
Subject: X via Modem Line Info
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:15:49 GMT
Keywords: XRemote

In my recent research to setup X on MS DOS PC and
link to Sun Sparc server network via modem line,
I found the following information to share with net.

This post could be useful for FAQ list #16 also.

This is for your information only. I hold no responsibility
on the products and I'm not related to either company
in any way.

MS Windows is the environment I wanted to run X , so
I looked into two products that were suggested lately
by the net. ( DOS version packages are available )

NCD (Network Computing Devices) 1 800 795-7638
	PC-Xview for Windows PC-XRemote Edition       $199 list
	XRemote Host Software PC Edition              N/C
	
VisionWare 1 415 325-2113
	XVision for Windows                           $449 list
	   ( comes with VisionWare Communication Package )
	XRemote for PC-XVision                        $100 list
	XRemote for Host ( UN*X or VMS )              $150 list
	
You need full set to try X on serial modem line.

Our plan is to try them both in the next three weeks. If you're
interested in the results, send me mail.
I'll make legitimate attempt to send you the summary.

Steven Shaw
Bell Labs
shaw@iexist.att.com
From: timm@mpii02999.mpi-sb.mpg.de (Jan Timm)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: compile xxgdb with g++ ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:36:27
Organization: /HG/usr2/hiwis/timm/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: mpii02999.ag2.mpi-sb.mpg.de
In-reply-to: hmchang@eecs.nwu.edu's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:22:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.192214.3255@eecs.nwu.edu> hmchang@eecs.nwu.edu (Hao-Ming Chang) writes:

   I would like to compile the xxgdb source codes using g++. Do I have to
   modify the source codes a lot ? What should I do ?
   Any help would be appreciated.

Why would you want to compile a C program with a C++ Compiler ? 
Any reason I can't see for that ? Or do you just mean gcc ? 
(No problem to do that...)

Jan Timm


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: wilde@bernina.ethz.ch (Erik Wilde)
Subject: Re: Teaching with a classroom of X displays
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:42:30 GMT

Use an X multiplexer. There are some out there. Simple
and easy to use is xmx, more flexible and more powerful
but also harder to configure is xtv. xtv comes with the
X distribution (look into the contrib tree). A third
thing is shx (shared X) which does similar things. Try
xarchie to find xmx and shx, if you can't find them,
send me mail, I'll ask a friend you knows where they
are. Hope this helps,

Erik Wilde (wilde@tik.ethz.ch)
  Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH Zuerich)
  Laboratory of Computer Engineering and Networks (TIK)
  ETH-Zentrum, ETZ G61.2, CH - 8092 Zuerich
  Phone: +41-1-254-7009  Fax: +41-1-254-7160
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.windows.x.pex
From: gary@maestro.mitre.org (Gary Bisaga)
Subject: PEX-in-a-widget (TM)
Keywords: technical, object-based
Reply-To: gbisaga@mitre.org
Organization: The Mitre Corporation, McLean Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:17:18 GMT

Has anybody put PEX in a widget?  Specifically, I'd like the
graphical capability of PEX combined with the object-based
structure of the widgets.  I'd be interested in hearing people's
experiences with this kind of thing, whether it's a totally
stupid newbie idea, etc.

-- 
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