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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:36:20 PST
From:         Geoffrey Alan Smith <galan@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Dark Films
              15, 92 11:06 am

My candidate for the darkest film of all time would have to be John Carpenter's
_Assault on Precinct 13_.  On video this film is nearly unwatchable, you can't
tell WHAT is going on.  Maybe projected it would be decipherable, but from
what I've heard it isn't even worth it.  Anyone else know of any 'dark' films?

Regards--
Geoff
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:34:09 EST
From:         Jacquie Wilson <OWI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Home Alone 2?

I went to see *Home Alone II* and *Aladdin* in the same
day, an was infinitely more pleased with the latter.
Call me a grinch, but Maculay Culkin's charm has yet to
hit me, and not only was the use of the same old gags
quite boring, but the use violence was unbelieveable. I
cannot see any parent (including the obviously disturbed
ones sitting there laughing at this tripe) visualizing
their kid pouring kerosene all over anything and lighting
it up...if he'd had oil on his clothing or hands, when he
lit that match, he too would have gone up in smoke.  And
had he really been hitting anyone in the head with bricks,
he would have smashed their skull in and killed them by the
second blow.  Way too much for kids, and for me, for that
matter...Jacqueline Wilson
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:09:17 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Oliver Stone's contact address?

>Can anyone point me in the direction
>of a mailing address for Oliver Stone?

Impaled stem to stern on a red-hot rotisserie in hell,
if this were a just universe. But alas...

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:19:35 CST
From:         Dorothy Van Geison <DVANG@NUACVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Face In The Crowd
              10 Dec 1992 16:32:48 EST from <jml4s@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>

How right you are, a darned fine performance by Ange.  But the best reason
to see the film is to witness the elevator scene.  I'll say no more.
                                                                 -Dorothy

Dorothy Van Geison
Northwestern University
Evanston, Illinois
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:38:18 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Deferred presence, PoMo

As mentioned in previous message, I was out of town for a week and turned
my mail off.  Just before that I had posted a couple of lengthy definitions
of postmodernism, and I don't know what else.  If anyone responded to me
in list messages, I didn't read them.

I thought someone might have picked up on Koehler's distinction between
"big" mod/pomo, in which modernism is Renaissance to mid-19th, and PoMo
is the last 150 years, and "little" mod/pomo, which is the more literary/
artistic (as opposed to history/hist of science).  The whole phenomena
of movies as an art form (and even more, as the medium studied in
academic departments) would strike some as postmodern.  Would that make
all you film studies folks a bunch of charlatans, to use Fisher's word?
:)  But seriously, it does strike me as odd that members of an academic
discipline as young as film studies could be so curmudgeonly about the
possible legitimacy of "Postmodernism" as an artistic or theoretical
concept.  Kinda sounds like what the rest of the departments said (or are
still saying) about film as a subject of serious study:  just a bunch of
slackers trying to get tenure without doing scholarly work, etc.

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:14:06 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      anamorphousness

>what happens to the image when a film shot in 70mm
>is projected in 35mm?  Is everything compressed, or
>do we get a cropped version of the original?

Door #1.

It gets squoze onto 35mm, then expanded through the anamorphic
projector lens. Less sharpness of detail, but same image area.

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:09:24 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Alex and tears

Rolando,

Haven't had an opportunity to see Angel at My Table yet, but did see
its director, Jane Campion's, first film Sweetie, which is a very fine
effort.  Probably Angel is unsettling and uncompromising about mental
illness in the same way, without treating the subject as an occasion for
a star turn at mimicry (with a sentimental frame around it to make it even
more palatable)?  Just surmising....

Jeff C.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:42:24 GMT
From:         Fintan Aylward <eeifad@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re: L.A. Film Critics Awards

        Did Neill Jordan's The Crying game win some award as well.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:58:56 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Chaplin

scott,

Yes, Fox does seem to be following Criterion's marketing angle... not
only on the Chaplin discs, but they've really already begun that with
the two Alien/Aliens movies.  And they're doing a good job of it.

Jeff Clark
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:53:30 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: The Crying Game

Crying Game snap synopsis:
        IRA captures Forrest Whittaker to setup prisoner exchange.
        Whittaker & his IRA guard befriend one another.
        IRA guard kills him under orders & goes off to find Whittaker's
           girlfriend.
        Thriller/love story happens.

The Washington Post went nuts over it, panned Toys, & said Steve Martin
is brilliant in his new one, which it disliked overall.

                                                        Alex
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:52:42 CST
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      CENSORSHIP/BAD NEWS

Has anyone posted about the recent rash of changes-of-ratings away from the
dreaded NC-17?  Somewhere I read that the ratings folks have tightened R
rules considerably in the past 6 months or so.  DAMAGE is the latest
casualty, so is Madonna's fiction feature (don't remember title) and
there's at least one other major film coming our in Dec. with an R.  What's
basic here is that all 3 films were cut.  I guess it's okay because who
complained when THE LOVER was cut and had the kid's under-age status
removed from the sound track?  Various reasons have been advanced for the
new puritanism.

Point two:  Blockbuster has just bought Sound Warehouse.  Both BB and SW
avoided NC-17s, but SW did it for 50 cents a rental and you all know BB's
policy.

Point three:  I just subscribed to Cinemax.  Finally decided to really
catch up with the lengthening list of titles I've missed.  So last week
they announced COMFORT OF STRANGERS but showed CURLY SUE; announced FIVE
HEARTBEATS and then showed LAST BOY SCOUT.  Does anybody have any
information--I mean, is this Cinemax policy or is it the Christmas season
to bring the big guns out at 3 AM?

Point 4: (back to point 1) "Entertainment Weekly's Holiday Movie Preview"
has a one-half page spread about DAMAGE "... rough frenzied sex... earned
it ... NC-17" so I guess it was a last-minute decision to cut?

Next year, coming up, no violence on TV.

There's always been something warm and cuddly about books.

Carol
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:29:37 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: ESCHATOLOGY

j-man,

Eszterhas got *3* million bucks for that Basic Instink script. I won't get
started. 'cept to say: must have been not for intrinsic value so much as
the dynamite commercial prospect it would make with the right package of
talent in the casting.

JC
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:16:26 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: great elevator scenes

The best elevator scene I recall was the final scene of JACK THE RIPPER,
the old Hammer classic in b/w.  As you may or may not remember, Jack was
riding on top of one elevator while the Scotland Yard detectives were
coming down in another.  Evidently, both elevators used the same shaft,
because when Jack's elevator reached the bottom floor, the other elevator
kept coming down with the unhappy result (unhappy for Jack, that is)
that the inspectors were soon standing in a seeping pool of blood.
Well, you had to be there, I guess.

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:58:31 -0500
From:         "Michael P. Gilly" <GILL7935@FREDONIA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Few Good Men and unknown actor

Dick, the actor from AFGM and Gladiator was also in Twin Peaks, his name
is James Marshall.

Mike
SUNY Fredonia
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:46:06 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: PoMo etc.

JC,

Thanks for not employing the "smiley" face.
I abhor the little buggers.  They remind me of Gidget.

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:46:37 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Video Duds

>MEDICINE MAN - Lorraine Bracco rants and screams while Sean
>Connery regrets not being in a James Bond movie so he could
>slap her around.
>FINAL ANALYSIS - It's Phil Joanu doing Brian de Palma doing
>Alfred Hitchcock. It's Richard Gere doing Kim Basinger. It's
>much ado about nothing.
>SHINING THROUGH - More like WORKING GIRL FIGHTS THE NAZIS. This
>dim-witted rip-off of Casablanca stars cutesy-pooh Melanie
>Griffith and Kirk Douglas wannabe Michael Douglas, who seems to be
>in a lot of worthless films lately. A basic instinct, perhaps?
>
ouch (smile)

Joe. (though I still enjoyed _Medicine Man_, maybe because
I rented it for a buck, and already heard very bad things about it.)
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:05:56 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: turkeys

>I guess one of my biggest dissapointments was in
>_Hook_.  It would seem difficult to make Robin
>Williams appear uncolorful and uninspired, but
>Speilberg did it.
>
>Joe Daus

This was one of the very few movies I walked out on this year ( I even
made it through Robin Hood).  Definitely near the top of the turkey
list.  Robin Williams had a few inspired moments, but overall it
seemed like an over produced spectacle with too much Tinker Bell and too
little wit, like a bad musical.  Come to think of it, this movie had a
lot in common with ROBIN HOOD.

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:41:17 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: PoMo etc.

j-man,

I hope there was irony in your response to my Herzog clarification.  Though
I didn't use a little smiley symbol, I meant it that way.  ( :) --See?).

JC
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:04:40 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: George and Bob

It is my understanding that _Brenda Starr_ actually got released for
at best a week, in some cities.

I did not see it in the theater, but it was reported at the KC film
society turkey awards as theatrical release for one week.

Say wasn't Highlander II shown in 1992?  If it is, it deserves
a place in the turkey awards.

Carol Doms
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:47:03 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Alien3 and spoilage

Since someone on this list has brought it to my attention in a nice way,
I want to apoligize if my comments on this film's ending have spoiled it
for anyone.  First time (in a looong time, at least) I didn't consciously
realize I was getting into that territory, though I think one or another
comment in response to it's turkeyhood may have touched on the same
sensitive area.  It was inadvertant.  I'm one of those exasperating people
who doesn't happen to be bothered by knowing major plot turns before I've
seen a film (except in the case of a true mystery worth seeing); I even
tend to forget them before I finally see the film if there's a couple weeks
between...!  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:32:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Adrian and Angel

Adrian,
      I doubt if you've seen it on TV unless you were in New
Zealand. It's out on video if you want to check it out. It's
over 3 hours long but never boring. It has a cast of unknown
actors who would give our Hollywood actors a run for their money.
It's about a New Zealand writer, Janet Frame, and her fascinating
and often turbulent road(she was institutionalized for awhile) to
self-realization as a person and writer. Originally made for TV, it's
gorgeous to look at, richly detailed and strikingly composed as only
Jane Campion can do it. I'm moved to tears just thinking about it.
                                               Rolando
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Subject:      Re: Six handerchiefs/Ballad of a Soldier

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     15-Dec-1992 11:39am EST
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Subject: RE: Six handerchiefs/Ballad of a Soldier

Adrian:

Me too!  But the book was worse.  In retrospect though, that's one of the
movies I'd leave off the list due to deliberate manipulation of tear ducts.
Also, included under DMT - Terms of Endearment and Steel Magnolias - yuch!!!

Ellen
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:23:39 GMT
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      And so it is with a heavy heart, and a tear in either eye...

Evening all,

This is just a quick note to say goodbye (for now).  ICL are cutting back,
and I have been classified as expendable.  So, it's time to move back to
Scotland (which I am very happy about) and look for another job (which
I am not so happy about!).

With the job goes the e-mail access, unfortunately.  Of all the lists
I've been part of, cinema-l was the most interesting and fun.  Whatever
was being talked about, it was rarely dull round these parts.

Thanks for the good times, and with a bit of luck I'll be connected again
before too long (and I'll be around for another day or so).  In the
meantime, I hope you all have a very Merry Xmas and a happy new year.

All the best,
                        Liam.
                        ====-

PS.  I hope that the Hudson Hawk support group will continue in my
absence.  I wouldn't want the film to be neglected or abused when I'm
not here to defend it...
                                   *"Something tells me you're not
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *   really a doctor."
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England*"What gave it away?  The fact that
  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, *   I've gone fully ten seconds
lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *   without patronising you?"
                                   * -- Camille & Lister (Red Dwarf IV)
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Subject: Re: And so it is with a heavy heart, and a tear in either eye...
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:55:00 GMT
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Liam:

As the newest member of the HUDSON HAWK Support Group, I can promise you
that we will continue to bear the standard of our namesake.  We'll miss
you terribly.  Good Luck and don't take any wooden shillings, or whatever
you call them over there.  Peace.

Adrian
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:49:06 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dracula

Thanks, Mike, for the suggestion.  I'll add it to my list.

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From: eandersn@mach1.wlu.ca (Niels Ejvind Andersen)
Subject: Re: Home Alone 2?
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:54:58 GMT

"Dick Clawson, S.J." (CLAWSON@LOYNOVM.BITNET) wrote:
: The violence was much more explicit, really Loony Toons in its depth
: of pain without apparently diminishing the faculties of the baddies.

Agreed.  This kid burns his victims with flaming kerosene and then
electrocutes them (or is it the other way around), and it doesn't seem to
have any lasting effect on the bad guys.  If I had taken my kids to see this
movie, I would lay awake nights wondering when my kids might try one of these
"harmless" stunts.

P.S. Happy 25th Birthday, Dick.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:51:10 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: More a Dog than a Turkey

>John Boorman wrote a much darker version of the movie but Richard Gere
>hated it (It probably required a second facial expression). As the studio
>wanted a Richard Gere movie far more than a John Boorman movie...

The detestable Mr Gere has a knack for bringing down good filmmakers --
or at least being the weakest link in otherwise worthwhile films, e.g
KING DAVID, COTTON CLUB, DAYS OF HEAVEN...

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Subject:      turkeys

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                                        Date:     14-Dec-1992 01:27pm EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: turkeys

While conducting this discussion of films that were "turkeys," let us not
forget that Benjamin Franklin (and others) believed that the turkey, and NOT
the eagle, should be our national bird.  Turkeys, wise old Ben said, were far
more moral and hard working than eagles--eagles being inclined to steal food
that other birds had killed.  So I'm sure you'll all keep that thought in mind
as you're nominating films for the turkey awards; obviously, all films are a
mixture of good and bad elements, and one man's (or woman's) pride is another
man's poison. . . .

I haven't seen Aliens 3 yet, but after reading Michael M.'s note, I'd like to
check it out.  Too bad poor Sigourney didn't know the Heimlich remover.  It
might have saved her a lot of grief in the long run.  :)

Anita
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