HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: his wit's end
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:24:36 GMT

Jesper Lauridsen (rorschak@daimi.aau.dk) wrote:
      dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
      
      >>you're only hurting your own users, and your childish tantrum won't
      >>accomplish much other than get a whole lot of people annoyed with you.
      
      >Gee...tell that to the number of people who have sent me e-mail...
      
      That's not possible when those people only exists in your mailbox.
      Make them post here instead so we can see them.

Oh GOD no.  Just what we need...another 105 responses to this thread.  Let
Dave collect his email and keep it to himself...just no more posting, please.

LAiRD

--
ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu           |
ljnelson@amh.amherst.edu            |          The Quintet-essential.
(413) 542-2932                      |
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: edyk91@ursa.calvin.edu (Edward Dyk)
Subject: Re: wanted: synth - midi - guitar
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:00:38 GMT

jkeczmer@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Keczmerski) writes:

>I'm looking for a guitar-synth.  Ideas?  suggestions?  Are there any
>still on the market?  The Casio and the Roland synths that I was
>thinking of are no longer in production.  

>#########################################################          
>#  John F. Keczmerski.....jkeczmer@sdcc3.ucsd.edu	#        
>#########################################################         

Dear John...If you get a hold of one...let me know.   I saw one used at a
concert in 1985 and I fell in love with it.  To the best of my knowledge, no
company produces those guitar-synths anymore because demand fell because
keyboard synths are still the rule....maybe you and I could start a new trend
in the return of the guitar-synth.  If it were possible...I'd love to see
Stienberger come up with something...They make (as far as I can tell) the most
versitle guitar (TRANS TREM) and the Trans-Trem combined with a synth unit
would make the perfect guitar for the come back of guitar-synth.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
** Edward C. Dyk     edyk91@ursa.calvin.edu                          **
**"I endorsed the guitar I used to play...I designed this one...
   Big difference!"... Edward Van Halen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Intentional ignorance of newsgroup creation 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:57:58 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>I know lots of PC and MAC readers who aren't introduced to USENET by
>someone who knows about these groups.

But if you go back far enough, you'll find someone who knew about
news.announce.* and didn't pass the word.

>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>Sometimes ignorance leads to disadvantage, which fact is not my
>>responsibility.  And it's not _my_ will, it's the _collective_ will.
>
>But if part of that will is ignorant by unwillingness, is it wrong
>to want to provide for that? 

In theory, I have no objection, and I never did.  But: people lie.
I can't imagine any way to provide for unintentional ignorance -- to
let people say, "I didn't know that" -- that doesn't leave the process
open to abuses from people who would falsely claim ignorance so as to
further their own ends.

>>But then you may ask, "Why should users suffer if their administrators
>>don't inform them?  Is that fair?"  To which I answer, No, it's not
>>fair.  But it happens anyway.  
>
>So then, efforts to recify the situation are actually welcomed?

Retroactively, no.  What's done is done.  But I'm always open to
suggestions for the future -- in fact, I lent my voice to support
posting supplimental "you group may be renamed" articles.  Just be
sure to suggest changes that reasonably protected from abuse by liars.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10750 alt.guitar:9592 misc.forsale:30574
From: jmgst26+@pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,misc.forsale
Subject: Real Tube Overdrive Pedal for sale
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:40:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jmgst26@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

This unit has a 12AX7 tube in it.  Three tone controls, level control, and 
distortion level.  One month old.  Goes for $114 on sale in Musician's Friend,
will sell for $80.

Read the Guitar Player  distortion issue, this one got great reviews.  I'm only getting rid of it 'cause I've got too many pedals and not enough cash ...

Mike
(412) 361-4241

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: jerrymo@ecs.comm.mot.com (Jerry Morrow)
Subject: Re: MIDI mike?
Organization: secure_comm
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:09:55 GMT

In article <BOUILLIN.92Nov11111735@node_3f5e2.ntc.nokia.com> bouillin@ntc.nokia.com writes:
>I'd like to compose on a mandolin plugged to a MIDI sequencer. Is
>there any four/eight string pickup available on the market? Would a
>guitar MIDI pickup do it? 

Isn't any instrument sacred anymore? :-)

Jerry Morrow
jerrymo@ecs.comm.mot.com


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: lrm28@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:22:11 GMT

For the first time in years, I now have a kill file for the above
subject line.  Can all the discussion about honor go to somewhere
else?  I have included news.admin as a followup.  This subject
has carried 50-75% of the traffic.  It's a waste of time and
resources.  Thank you for your attention.
-- 
Luke Mayercin  lrm28@cas.org  "Why does ear wax taste like it does?"
Chemical Abstracts Service is not responsible for these comments.
From: vdvoort@cs.utwente.nl (Mark van de Voort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Creating Song Lyrics
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:40:20 GMT
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science

My experience so far has been twofold.
First riding my bike to any place I have to be gives me about half an hour
in which songs (lyrics and melody) present themselves.
Being a drummer/percussionist most of these halfsongs start with a particular rhythm.

Second, I have done some writing for a band. In these cases the melody was already existant.
Most of the time I keep humming the tune and after a while words come to me.
Do not try to think of difficult concepts, just sing whatever bothers you, 
makes you feel happy at the very moment. These things tend to make sense after a while.

Most lyric writing I've done with someone else. This way I noticed there are at least
two very different ways of writing.

I prefer the more intuitive way. Hum, and you'll know whenever a line fits.
The other way is to spell out the meter, then forget about the melody and
fit in the words rather mechanically.

Anyway, try to write lyrics with some people together. This way it becomes 
a very social thing.

Have fun,
Mark
From: ek2m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric J. Knittweis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Best bass sound
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:28:23 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

CC: 

    In response to bass-recordings post:

       In my experience with recording the best way to get the nice deep
full sound of the bass, is by miking the bass amp itself when recording.
 
    Most non-professional track machines are not powerful enough to
handle inputing bass directly into them.  If you do record this way ,
the machine actual limits the range of sound the bass will emit.  It is
also not easy to adjust the bass and treble on the track machine, like
you can on a normal bass amp.  By miking the amp, the track machine
records the bass, as it sounds from the amp, with all the added
adjustments:mid, bass, treble, reverb, gain etc.
     In the mix-down, simply change the loudness of the bass as desired
into order to add a deeper feel.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: edyk91@ursa.calvin.edu (Edward Dyk)
Subject: Re: HELP!! Wah-to-VOLUME Pedal Conversion????
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:54:10 GMT

p_pugli@pavo.concordia.ca (PUGLIESE, PETER) writes:


>  I was wondering what the main differences between the two      
>circuits are and,if possible, convert my CRUSTY ole' Roland wah
>into a much more useful volume pedal??
>  I have tried several "boost" type pedals and found that they
>distort my clean sound slightly.  I figure the best way to preserve
>my sound is to use a volume pedal in the effects loop.  I was also
>wondering if this set-up would work as well as I seem to think:
>Keep the pedal in a position that cuts the vol and switc the loop
>OFF to boost (ie. back to normal amp vol!!) I forgot to mention
>that my amp has a footswitchable effects loop!!  What do you guys
>think??  Any comments are appreciated. Thanks!
>Pete

Dear Pete...Being a person who loves a vintage sound and that I love my wah...
I'd like to ask you "Why?"  Why would you do something SO dumb as to convert a
Wah to a volume...if it bothers you that bad..buy a volume pedal!!!
 What would have become of rock & roll if Hendrix had said..."Let's convert 
this thing to a volume pedal.".Can you see my point?   Don't covert it...but
use it...and keep the tradition alive. LONG LIVE WAH!!!!!!!




















Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:24:06 GMT


This backs up my claim that I did see the discussions and call for votes in
rec.music.synth.  In my NN init file, the only rec.music.* group before
this one is rec.music.industrial, which, as you can see, was not included.
I'm not subscribed to any of the other newsgroups.

In <96385@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:

>==========
>CFD #1 headers
>==========
>	From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
>	Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.misc,rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar.tab
>	Subject: RFD: several instrument-specific rec.music groups
>	Message-ID: <Bt7pr0.3G7@uunet.uu.net>
>	Date: 19 Aug 92 03:59:17 GMT
>	Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
>	Followup-To: news.groups
>	Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
>
>==========
>CFD #2 headers
>==========
>	From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
>	Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar.tab
>	Subject: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
>	Message-ID: <BtpH40.2Mx@uunet.uu.net>
>	Date: 28 Aug 92 18:09:29 GMT
>	Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
>	Followup-To: news.groups
>	Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
>
>==========
>CFD #3 headers
>==========
>	From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
>	Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar.tab
>	Subject: 3rd RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
>	Message-ID: <BuBy7w.C0C@uunet.uu.net>
>	Date: 9 Sep 92 21:26:19 GMT
>	Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
>	Followup-To: news.groups
>	Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
>
-- 
 davE.  Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
######### David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10808 rec.music.synth:18038 news.groups:20783 news.admin:8394
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Followup-To: alt.flame.spelling
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:17:10 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Nov5.203852.29784@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<Bx9qJ6.D2o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <BxABLq.2FE@unix.amherst.edu>
	<1992Nov6.184419.22560@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<cuz.721098670@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
	<EMCGUIRE.92Nov8235317@fuller.intellection.com>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: emcguire@intellection.com's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:53:17 GMT

In article <EMCGUIRE.92Nov8235317@fuller.intellection.com> emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:

   In article <cuz.721098670@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It) writes:

      Since it seems you are the only one complaining here, I think you
      should just drop it. Unless you want to go into the anals [sic] of
      net history with the likes of Kent Paul Dolan and Alok Viajaria.

   The anals of net history?  Nobody deserves such a fate!  :)

Although some crud does climb out of the gutter occasionally......

No, I don't think this applies to Dave.  Yet.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: HELP!! Wah-to-VOLUME Pedal Conversion????
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:11:54 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

p_pugli@pavo.concordia.ca (PUGLIESE, PETER) writes:


>  I was wondering what the main differences between the two      
>circuits are and,if possible, convert my CRUSTY ole' Roland wah
>into a much more useful volume pedal??
>  I have tried several "boost" type pedals and found that they
>distort my clean sound slightly.  I figure the best way to preserve
>my sound is to use a volume pedal in the effects loop.  I was also
>wondering if this set-up would work as well as I seem to think:
>Keep the pedal in a position that cuts the vol and switc the loop
>OFF to boost (ie. back to normal amp vol!!) I forgot to mention
>that my amp has a footswitchable effects loop!!  What do you guys
>think??  Any comments are appreciated. Thanks!

Pull the guts out and just wire up the pot as a volume control. Simple.

Dave
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Intentional ignorance of newsgroup creation 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:35:07 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>"Care" is defined [by Chip] as "intent to know". How should a person
>even know that they need to care?

Whoever introduced them to Usenet, or whoever administers their
system, should tell them about n.a.newusers and n.newusers.q.

>Some people think newsgroups are set in stone...and they'd never change.
>Does that make them subject to your will because you know and they don't?

Sometimes ignorance leads to disadvantage, which fact is not my
responsibility.  And it's not _my_ will, it's the _collective_ will.

>>>And anyone who asserts that "the ignorant deserve what they get" is 
>>>ignorant AND inconsiderate of the unwillingly ignorant.
>>Yet I stand by that position, despite your opinion that it shows me
>>to be ignorant and inconsiderate.
>Then you deserve what you get. 

:-)  I didn't read carefully enough before agreeing.  Please realize
that what I meant was, "Those who remain ignorant due to turning down
opportunities to learn, deserve what they get."

But then you may ask, "Why should users suffer if their administrators
don't inform them?  Is that fair?"  To which I answer, No, it's not
fair.  But it happens anyway.  What we do affects others.  Sometimes
those effects cannot be undone.  Users whose admins didn't inform them
were wronged _by_those_administrators_, not by the people running (and
supporting) the r.m.s vote.  And I for one do not feel responsible for
undoing any harm done by all the administrators of Usenet.

>I refuse to make any sort of threat.

That's a relief.  Seriously.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: recording bass guitar?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:02:57 GMT
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <9211101002.AA20833@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
>Argh.  I'd really like some opinions on how to get a good punchy bass guitar
>sound.  Is it a matter of EQ?  Noise gate?  
>I'd much rather go direct, as miking a bass amp has never been very successful (for me, anyhow).  
>
I've had my best success from going direct with a little mike mixed in. All
my experience has been in pro studios so I was just the bass jockey not the
recording engineer. I do know that most of the time very little, if any,
extra processing was used.

>Also, a petty little question: How do you pronounce "TEAC"?
>
Tea-ak

-grego
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: ecayce@girtab.usc.edu (Edgar Cayce)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Ad
Date: 8 Nov 1992 19:52:07 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Bass player seeks band or people to jam with in LA / USC area. 6 years 
experience, haven't played in a band in some time though. Influences: King
Crimson, Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Metallica, Beatles,
way too much to list. Will play most anything, quick to pick up tunes by ear.
Have large house to play in. 
email cayce@usc.edu or call 213-749-8284, ask for Ed.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Subject: Re: MIDI mike?
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:20:17 GMT

In <BOUILLIN.92Nov11111735@node_3f5e2.ntc.nokia.com> bouillin@ntc.nokia.com (Claude Bouillin) writes:

*I'd like to compose on a mandolin plugged to a MIDI sequencer. Is
*there any four/eight string pickup available on the market? Would a
*guitar MIDI pickup do it? 
*
*I am waiting for your opinion. Thanks for your time.

You are joking, aren't you?

-- archer
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: I Hate Soundgarden
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:21:49 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1992Nov5.222458.2651@ntg.com> stefan@ntg.com (Stefan Biskup) writes:
>But!!!!!!!! notice how after LTL they started touring with the likes of Danzig
>Why!!!!!!!!!!!!! they could have done the smaller circuits a while longer
>Now Chris hardley ever plays guitar and it has hurt them.
>Their last record doesn't even sound like the same band.
>WHAT A #@$%!ING BUNCH OF EGO MANIACS!!!!!!
>
>I feel sad and betrayed. The have succumbed.
>
>
>Comments?

Okay, you asked for comments...

There's not many bands who are in it to stay small-time and only known to a
select few.  When an opportunity comes to tour with a band of some repute,
you take it if it looks like a good thing for your career -- both in the
long and short term.  And I can think of alot worse bands to tour with than
Danzig.  Why should they do "the smaller circuits a while longer" just to
please you?  Ultimately, they should do what is in their own best interests
-- and only they can judge that.  Also, why should they feel obligated to
sound the same on every record?  While it may alienate their original
following, their final obligation is to themselves.  As a band, what
they're likely to call "evolving our sound", others are bound to call
"selling out".  Them's the breaks, but in the final analysis they have to
please themselves.  So if their music changes, so be it.  If you don't like
it, fine; don't buy their records.  That's your (very powerful) tool to
voice your dislike.  But they didn't betray you because they never had any
sort of agreement with you saying that they would to only put out music
that met your approval.

Just my opinion, worth about what you paid for it...

David.
--
+----==== opinions expressed do not represent those of my employer ====----+
| David L. Campbell, IBM AWSD Austin      | "The comfort you have demanded |
| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
| IBM TR: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com |               Jello Biafra     |
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10865 ba.music:1952 rec.audio.pro:2264
From: jvb@wyse.wyse.com (Jack Van Breen x2666 dept220)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,ba.music,rec.audio.pro
Subject: WANTED small mixer (CHeap:):)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:33:27 GMT
Followup-To: ba.music
Distribution: ba
Organization: Wyse Technology, San Jose

I'm looking for a small CHEAP low-impedence mixer to do casuals with.

Anybody out there got a Tapco 6100 gathering dust in a corner?? (or
equivilent, say a Peavey 701r???)  I'm on a limited budget (read >$150.00:)
but I promise to give it a loving home:)

I'm also interested in speakers and monitors, if you have something small
and powerful:):) (and cheap of course:)

Thanks.
-- 
Jack Van Breen (standard disclaimer, these are my own ...)
Product Support, Wyse Technology, San Jose, CA
...!uunet!wyse!jvb
jvb@wyse.com
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10733 rec.music.synth:17790 news.groups:20359 news.admin:8303
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:20:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Nov5.203852.29784@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>There now appears to be a consensus of evidence that implies that the
>discussions WEREN'T posted to rec.music.synth.

Then the consensus is wrong, because I've downloaded the file from ftp.uu.net
that shows that they were.

>	-people who design them,
>	-people who write software for them.
>	-music press
>	-sysops
>Not necessarily just musicians. 

...but all of the above are interested in making music with synthesizers,
whether or not they can lay hands on a keyboard and make pleasing sounds come
out.

>That is an assumption which you cannot verify. The usenet guidelines are
>anything but perfect, and following them doesn't mean that you won't piss
>a bunch of people off. 

Granted. There are several groups whose existence pisses me off, but, by and
large, they get propagated anyway.

None of those are in the position this is, though: they are all new creations,
not something that fragments the user community if the result isn't
implemented.

>On the contrary. I'm using my position to try and reach a net.consensus on
>an unfair action sanctioned by the Guidelines. There is possible evidence
>of NO votes which weren't counted, and discussions which WEREN'T posted
>to rec.music.synth (which are reasons that are sanctioned by the guidelines). 

There's ALREADY a net.consensus, expressed in the standard way: a vote that
passed.

If you have evidence of NO votes that weren't counted and were received by the
votetaker in an acceptable format within the voting period, post it, or else
retract the charge - you're accusing the vote taker of vote fraud.

If you can't FTP the file from ftp.uu.net, I'll be happy to mail it to you. Be
forewarned, though: it's almost 900 lines, and 41K.

>>you're only hurting your own users, and your childish tantrum won't
>>accomplish much other than get a whole lot of people annoyed with you.
>Gee...tell that to the number of people who have sent me e-mail in support.
>I haven't had one flame by email yet.

Support by email, with no verification, doesn't count. Post it or drop it.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.