HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Re: An Insight
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:19:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.203714.17086@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <Sep28.174436.58657@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>Lying staring at the stars last weekend I had an insight.
>>It was one of those clear, moonless, wilderness nights and the
>>stars were uncountably many.
>
>Not to burst your romantic bubble, there are approx. 4K stars visible to
>the human eye (both hemispheres, not all at one time).  Even the best
>cosmological models make for countable & finite numbers and ..... ;^)
>(Down to the +5 apparent magnitude. [I wanted to be an astronomer when I was
>younger, science, remember 8^)])
>
>No prisoners. 8^)
>
	Eugene, you are assuming Wayne can count to 4K.......

		Only kidding, couldn't help myself.

				John Mastrangelo
				ice@massive.its.bldrdoc.gov

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: D5.JJC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Judy Colwell)
Subject: Re: North Face Bullfrog
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:34:07 GMT

In article <srp.717520917@babar.mmwb.ucsf.edu>,
srp@babar.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Scott R. Presnell) writes:
>kai@kaijen.ka.sub.org (Kai Jendrian) writes:
>
>>a few months ago I bought a NORTH FACE BULLFROG and a friend of mine
>>did so too. We both went to the North of Sweden. Their tent had some
>>problems although they had no hard conditions. One of the sticks
>>broke while they built up the tent. They did it correctly, we both
>[...]
>>What are your experiences?


I have TNF "Tadpole" which has been through some amazing rainstorms
and gale force winds.  It performed *superbly* !!  I spent a good
part of the night blessing the design wizards at TNF as the tent
neither blew away (with me in it) nor did a single drop of water
find it's way in.  Incredible.  I've done much bike touring with
this tent and have had no problems with poles, shock cords, or water
seepage (although I am careful to seam seal it annually).

Judy Colwell

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: micki@netcom.com (Michelle Stone)
Subject: Re: Freeze dried food?? What else?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:57:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

A previous poster cited Fantastic Foods as being a viable source of 
"meals" for backpacking.  (Typing while I eat my Fantastic Foods
Oriental Peas and rice for lunch).  They are good enought to eat
for real meals!`

MIchelle
From: jbm@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Jeffrey Mulligan)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Coyotes (was Re: Wolves)
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:33:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center

This mention of wolves reminded me I wanted to ask something
about coyote behavior.  I just returned from a trip to New Mexico
during which I spent 3 days in the Pecos Wilderness area (thanks
to all the NM net readers who sent me advice!).  Anyway, the first
night out we were treated to some pretty loud calls from what I
assumed was a coyote.  There were several distinct types of call.
I had heard this sound the previous night sleeping at one of the
trailhead campgrounds, but it had been farther away.  I am a pretty
light sleeper myself who tends to bolt up everytime a twig snags,
but at one point the coyote cry was so loud that it woke my
partner out of a sound sleep.  This went on at intervals all night,
and just as it was starting to get light it started up, but in large
numbers.  I never saw one, but they must have been fairly close
because I could hear the sound moving around us through the trees from
left to right.  Were they aware that we were there, and did our
presence have anything to do with this behavior?

This performance was not repeated the next two nights, but the next
day we were returning to our camp as it was getting dark, and
I surprised four big deer.  As they crashed off down the hill, a
loud coyote howl sounded out from somewhere nearby.  I wondered
if they were stalking the deer...

-- 

	Jeff Mulligan (jbm@eos.arc.nasa.gov)
	NASA/Ames Research Ctr., Mail Stop 262-2, Moffett Field CA, 94035
	(415) 604-3745
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eberg@chinet.chi.il.us (Erik Arthur Berg)
Subject: Re: Tom Brown's secrets to survival
Summary: books by Tom Brown Jr. 
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:49:30 GMT


    Tom Brown Jr. has written several field books published by Berkley 
Books (paperback) which cover the stuff talked about in the October
issue of Backpacker.  

    Tom Brown's Field Guide to Nature Observation and Tracking

    Tom Brown's Field Guide to Wilderness Survival

    Tom Brown's Guide to Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants

    There are 4 or 5 others covering different skills.  He has also 
written several autobiographical books about his life and philosophy.

    The Tracker

    The Search
    
    The Vision
  
    The Quest

    These are also published by Berkley.  He can be a little hard to take
sometimes (a lot of his books are found in the New Age section) so beware.
I have been to three of his classes at his school and will go again.  The
Backpacker article is a pretty accurate description of the Standard class.
He thinks like a native american and is very passionate about his beliefs
which is usually what puts people off.  The field guides are cheap and full
of usefull stuff IMHO.  If you want any info email is fine.

----

Erik Berg     eberg@chinet.chi.il.usa
From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: oversized goggles?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:21:02 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: pauli.phys.ksu.edu

Well, winter is upon us and that means cold winds getting into our eyes and
making us cry.  So I figured I'd put this question to the net:

I'm looking for a pair of ski goggles that I can wear over my glasses for
comfortable winter backpacking and bicycling.  But as always, I'm interested
in the affordable end of the scale.  Every pair that I've tried on in ski
stores has been either impossible or a very tight squeeze.  

Can anybody recommend brand names, prices, mail-order outlets, etc...?

How do other people cope with this (I would assume) pervasive problem? 
Besides switching to contacts, of course.

thanks

-Diverson
--
diverson@phys.ksu.edu
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: First Aid Kits
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:22:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3673
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

>*syrup of Ipecac

If you take Ipecac along, be sure and take a bit of activated charcoal along as
a chaser, otherwise you'll be puking the dry heaves long after all the
good is done. A couple tablespoons neutralizes the Ipecac, so don't take
the charcoal along with the Ipecac.

Mike
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: bear bags? huh?
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:53:52 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 10-05-92 M. SCOTT  wrote:

MS   Also, what are the dangers of bears in the backcountry?  When I was
MSyounger I had a confrontation with a Grizzly Bear at Yellowstone (I think
MSthat's where it was); I didn't really feel too frightened.  What are
MSthe differences betweens black bears and grizzlies, in terms of
MSaggression, etc.?SMITH

If you weren't frightened by a grizzly, don't worry about the
black bears.

                   |
...eliot          -*-              Postlink: ->CHANNEL1 [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

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EZ 1.39 #178 [in Brookline MA 11:24 pm, Monday 10/05/92]
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: The winner is...
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:45:35 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.144412.22255@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>andyt@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Andy Teetzel) writes:
>>
>>I've reviewed my journal. The winner of the most popular musical group
>>in the obnoxious campground neighbor boom-box catagory is:
>>
>>Lynard Skynard
>>
>That's Lynyrd Skynyrd.  You do not win the spelling prize.  ;^)
 
'cept when it's pronounced in a campground the correct pronunciation is:

SKINNNNNERD!!!

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: tilley@fsg.UUCP (Tom Tilley)
Subject: Re: Fear and Social Conditioning
Reply-To: tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:55:00 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.205220.6241@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.012038.7483@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rauletta@sitevax.gmu.edu (R. J. Auletta) writes:
>>
>>The May/June 1992 issue of the "Appalachian Trailway News" has an article
>>entitled "Safety on the Appalachian Trail". Becky Blanton makes
>>the following observations which apply to many situations.
>>(I have paraphrased her exposition.)
>
> [ Stuff deleted ]
>
>Does anyone have actual statistics on backcountry crime?  The only thing
>I've seen is an article in _Backpacker_ earlier this year ...

The statistics given there were for overall reported crime, and for murder
along the Appalachian Trail.  These numbers are from the February 1992
issue of _Backpacker_, page 6:

     One crime for every 800,000 trail users (with "4 million hikers a
     year", this implies 5 reported crimes per year).

     Seven people killed (*) while backpacking there in last 50 years.

     Likelihood of dying in a car accident while driving to trailhead
     190 times greater than that of dying from a violent act in the
     wilderness.

(*) The article did not specify that this refers to "killed by other
    people": I assume this is what was meant.

This doesn't sound like something I plan to start worrying about. :-)

Tom.
#--------------------------------------------------#
| Tom Tilley                                       |
| Internet : tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com   |
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: An Insight
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:44:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


Lying staring at the stars last weekend I had an insight.
It was one of those clear, moonless, wilderness nights and the
stars were uncountably many.  From square in the center of my
vacant unfocussed attention, a realization took shape:
There's still a LOT of wilderness out there!  What's more,
its inaccessible remoteness seems inviolable.  Everything
is not going to hell, only our planet.  Provincial hopelessnes
was overwhelmed by comforting insignificance.
 
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Bear story
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:16:40 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   29 Sep 92 16:36:52 GMT
>FROM:   pgheit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
>
>NEW YORK CITY!!!!
>
>Get a rope.
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>|pH Fred == pgheit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu    |         "What we lack         |
>|        == ..!psuvax1!ulkyvx.bitnet!pgheit01 |   in enthusiasm, we make up   |
>|           University of Louisville          |         for in apathy."       |
>|                Louisville, KY               |                               |
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Louisville, KY!!!!

F**k a sibling.



Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: heycke@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Torsten Heycke)
Subject: Baby Joggers on Trails
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: Stanford U. Knowledge Systems Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:13:47 GMT

I'm wondering if other backcountry netters have any thoughts on the use of
baby joggers on trails (baby joggers are light-weight, three-wheeled baby
carriages with canvas seats for infant/toddlers that are commonly used by
runner parents).
There are some obvious limitations to the use of these (steep, rocky trails
don't make for a good ride), but they are quite liberating for the
athletic/outdoorsy parent and apparently a lot of fun for the child.

As a runner, backcountry enthusiast and parent, I personally have some
mixed feelings about the use of these things on trails, but generally I
think they are fairly harmless.  They are not likely to "shred"/erode
trails like mtn bikes, and they are not likely to be going faster than a
jogging/hiking parent. 

I don't have a baby jogger yet, though I plan on getting one (at least for
running around the neighborhood). I'm curious if others out there have used
baby joggers on the trail, which (brand) baby jogger they would recommend
and what, if any, feedback they have gotten from folks on the trails.

Thanks,

Torsten



"A horse may walk to water, but a pencil must be led."
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: An Insight
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:16:44 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <Sep29.235329.69115@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.203714.17086@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>In article <Sep28.174436.58657@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>>Lying staring at the stars last weekend I had an insight.
>>>It was one of those clear, moonless, wilderness nights and the
>>>stars were uncountably many.
>>
>>Not to burst your romantic bubble, there are approx. 4K stars visible to
>>the human eye (both hemispheres, not all at one time).  Even the best
>
>Oh Eugene.  You're so left-brained!  (Don't feel bad.  That's a line
>an old room mate used to apply to me all the time.)

Cute.  I will remember that one.  (I am sort of Ambidextrous)
>
>>I don't quite regard space as wilderness 
>
>Well, it's a wild, unknown expanse.  But, unlike many who have posted
>and emailed, I don't think we're going to be exploiting, or even
>setting foot in other galaxies (nor trapping beavers).  

Perhaps not. But...

>The beauty of the sky as wilderness, is that it remains untouchable,
>undeveloped, uncorrupted.  

When you where looking up at that beautiful vista did you notice some
bright moving points slowly coursing their way across the sky.  

There is already an enormous amount of junk up there.  The view is no 
longer pristine.  If you can look at the sky for half an hour without 
seeing a couple of satellites you aren't observing very well or are in a 
city. 

The sky is touched, developed and corrupted,  believe it.  


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Toddler in High Sierra
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:54:28 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   24 Sep 1992 09:17:01 -0700
>FROM:   Robert Montana <montana@mizar.usc.edu>
>
>Just returned (9/14-9/18) from a trip to Minaret Lake (Devil's Postpile
>area - California) which included three generations of my family, my
>mother (age 62), myself (36) and my son Greg (2.5, 23 lbs.)
>
>I am happy to report that Greg had a wonderful time, throwing rocks,
>finding ugly bugs, spotting dear ("I saw four Bambis!" he says.),
>Christmas trees and chipmunks.
> [material deleted]
>Looking ahead to next summer, anyone got tips for the age 3.5/~30 lbs. to
>age 8?  Seems like they are too big to carry and not big enough to walk.
>I checked with a pack station and the minimum age is 8 to ride.
>I hope I can do more than car/tent camping.
>
>Bob Montana
>

Don't know whether you enjoy this sort of thing or not, but a canoe 
carries even a big kid nicely. They love to paddle and often get 
surprisingly good at it rather quickly. Choose unchallenging water, of
course. Pick the right area and you can get Away From It All as 
effectively as you can on foot, with less effort in portaging the kid.
From: gustave@ada.seas.ucla.edu (Gustave R. Stroes)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Plastic Doubles: Custom Fitting
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:15:02 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

I have a pair of Scarpa Invernos which sit me very well as far
as length goes but they seem a little loose around the ankles
which allows my heel to lift a bit.  It also lets my toes hit 
the front of the boot when front pointing.  Does any body have 
any experience in customizing plastic doubles in order to obtain
a better fit.  Can you do it your self or should one go to a ski
shop?  Any advice would be very helpful, thanks.

Gustave.
From: rob@cygnus.com (Rob Savoye)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: HELP: plastic mountaineering boots
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:25:34 GMT
	<1992Sep27.021428.9154@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: /s1/users/rob/.organization
In-reply-to: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu's message of 27 Sep 92 02:14:28 GMT


   From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)

   Please help me make my decision on what plastic boots I should get.

	[ ...]
    Ice-climbing, glacier traverse (general hiking), keeping my feet warm,
   etc.  They need to be all-around good boots.


  For all around general use, I find the Lowa's hard to beat. They are
the most walkable plastic boots I've ever had. All my other boots
where like walking in down-hill ski boots. While I might still wear my
stiffer boots if I was going purely ice climbing (not much walking)
The lowa's have become my boot of choice.

	- rob -
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Animals (summary)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:23:04 GMT

SO far we have readers who would be (Hey!  One life at a time, please):
Flyers:
	Cliff swallow
	Buzzard
	2 Eagles
	Mallard duck
	Ptarmigan
	Turkey Vulture
	Great Horned Owl
	Spotted Owl
	Snowy Owl
	Red tailed hawk
	Fulvous Whistling-Duck
	Raven
	Crow
	Peregrine Falcon
	Bat

NA ground mammals
	Yellow bellied marmot
	Moose
	Jack Rabbit
	Bunny rabbit
	Bighorn sheep
	2 Mountain Goats
	2 Otter (maybe 1 river)
	Mule (female)
	Donkey
	Sloth
	Oppossum
	Raccoon
	Ring Tailed Lemur
	Poodle (with a Mohawk?)
	2 Lynx (1 Canadian)
	cougar or panther (black, of course)
	2 coyotes
	Grizzly Bear
	Black bear
	Wolverine
	4 Wolves (1 Timber)

Water species
	Sperm Whale
	Orca
	2 Dolphin
	Manta Ray
	Man-O-War
	muskellunge
	Giant squid (ala 20K leagues under the sea)
	Golden Trout (with the Right Stuff)

African/Asian species
	2 Elephant (1 - African)
	Lion
	Oryx
	2 Tiger (1- white)
	Snow Leopard

Reptiles
	Tuatara lizard
	Galapagos tortoise

Amph:
	Salamander

Plants:
	Lichen
	Western Red Cedar
	Slime mold

Amoeba:
	Giardia lamblia

How should I characterize these?
	T. Rex
	Yeti 

Gee, if we are going to go down a list of rocks, well I've had some geology,
We have to get specific, not just lava (like I mean andesite or dacite for
instance, and I fear that most readers don't know these).
Another person pointed out that the application of this list might be good
for workstation naming (some too long, some multiword).

"Sir, it looks like we've eaten the last of the geologists."

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: The winner is...
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:44:12 GMT

andyt@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Andy Teetzel) writes:
>
>I've reviewed my journal. The winner of the most popular musical group
>in the obnoxious campground neighbor boom-box catagory is:
>
>Lynard Skynard
>
That's Lynyrd Skynyrd.  You do not win the spelling prize.  ;^)

--Chris





Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: wheels in wilderness
Date: 7 Aug 92 10:16:38 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


To answer the question about using a one wheeled device to "carry" a
pack into wilderness areas I did a bit of reading.

The Wilderness Act:

..., There shall be no temporary road, no use of motor vechicles,
motorized equpiment or motorboats, no landing of aircraft, no other
form of mechanical transport, and no structure or installation wihtin
such area.

CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Rev. July 1988

The following are prohibited in a National Forest Wilderness::

(a) Possessing or using a motor vechicle, motorboat or motorized
    equipment ...

(b) Possessing or using a hang glider or bicycle.

The following are prohibited in a National Forest Primitive Area::

(b) Possessing or using a motor or motorized equipment, except small
    battery powered hand held devices, such as cameras, shavers,
    flashlights, and Geiger-counters.


Now from the Forest Service Manual Rev. 4/86

Title 2320.5 Definitions

3. Mechanical Transport.  Any contrivance for moving people or
   material in or over land, water, or air, having moving parts, that
   provides a mechanical advantage to the user, and that is powered by
   a living or nonliving power source.  This includes, but is not
   limited to, sailboats, hang gliders, parachutes, bicycles, game
   carriers, carts, and wagons.  It does not include wheelchairs when
   used as necessary medical applicances.


So overall I would bow out and say one wheeled devices are illegal.
And it seems that bikes have always been illegal.  But that is the
price we pay sometimes for wilderness.  Buy a goat and have it carry
your pack, they are much easier to transport, manage, and are easier
on the land than llamas, or horses. 


The final bit reading I did goes back cairns ;-).


From the CRFs pertaining to all National Forest Land (including wilderness).

The following are prohibited:

(a) Constructing, placing, or maintaining any kind road, trail,
    structure, fence, enclosure, ... , or other improvement on
    National Forest system land without a special-use authorization,
    contract, or approved operating plan.


Well as I read it constructing/maintianing a cairn (which is part of a
trail) is illegal.  It does say anything about removing them ;-))).

Allen R. Sanderson
Salt Lake City, Oootah

Long standing stove debate and criticism stands on the MSR lines of stoves.
MSR stoves were designed for winter use in the Pacific Northwest to melt
snow of water.  Period.  The joke goes the MSR has two settings: off and high.
This is for melting snow or boiling water.  If you read the directions,
they recommend that if simmering is needed, use a can lid or similar flat
plate for indirect heating.  Sure, weighs more, but it's a survival stove.
Always use the right tool for the right purpose.