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From: mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna bashing
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:31:25 GMT

mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes:


>In article <mferrare.702533571@adelphi>,
> mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto) writes:
> 
>|> As we all bitch about the greatest driver of all time - how about the 
>|> greatest team of all time?  

>Er, doesn't "ALL TIME" include the future?

>Isn't this a silly discussion, trying to draw conclusions about what is
>yet to be?

Written in the typical USENET spirit of undue pickiness and lack of common
sense.  I think that it's the computers that do this to us :-)
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Senna at it again..
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:45:50 GMT

In article <92096.201832A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET writes:

>>Appears that Senna is feeling the pressure, and is re-deploying some
>>of his old tactics - if you can't beat 'em, take 'em off!

>>Fortunately, our Nige survived this one.

>If you are referring to the accident in the last minute of qualifying,
>you cannot be serious.  Even Mansell himself said that "it was nobody's f
>fault" and that it was "just a misunderstanding".
>Other people thought that Mansell was to blame.

quite; i saw the clip, and Mansell clearly made an error in judgement.
it was Senna's line from the start, and he stayed on it all the way
through.  Mansell tried to go outside when there wasn't any room.

cheers,
  richard
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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: Bristol: Any comments? I missed it on TV....
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:57:13 GMT

mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes:

>>P.S.: did anyone notice Dave Mader in the Melling car?  If they come up
>>with some sponsorship, the Alabama Gang just might have another contender!

>Didn't Melling have Food City as a sponsor?  If so, was this a one time 
>deal?  

I think so.  Melling still doesn't have a regular sponsor that I
know of.  And they're that close to Atlanta... gee, maybe they
ought to ring up Ted Turner! :-)

>When I was watching the BGN rainout, I thought that Jimmy Spencer 
>said he was disappointed to not make the WC race since Food City was his 
>sponsor.  

If it is, it must be an associate sponsor, since Moly Black Gold is the
primary sponsor for the Travis Carter team.
From: dafuller@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna bashing
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:08:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr6.220854.23166
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <34978@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes:
>
>In article <mferrare.702533571@adelphi>,
> mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto) writes:
> 
>|> As we all bitch about the greatest driver of all time - how about the 
>|> greatest team of all time?  
>
>Er, doesn't "ALL TIME" include the future?
>
>Isn't this a silly discussion, trying to draw conclusions about what is
>yet to be?


The greatest teams of all time are probably the pre-war Auto Union team,
who completely blew everyone away with their cars and technology, and the
post-war Mercedes team which was similarly spectacular.  The Auto Union
supercharged V16s were rear drive and they turned amazing revs.

In a time when F1 was raced with iron that was not that far from being
streetable, Auto Union and Mercedes had everyone else covered in terms of
technology, speed, reliability, and reliability.  In their time, they were
way, way ahead of the curve.

If you have doubts, watch the films of the era...
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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: GOBS Pick6: Drew's and my entries
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:41:27 GMT


Here are my entry and Drew's for North Wilkesboro.  (I finally got him
to send one in!)  Still trying to get those files for the Darlington
entries.


PLAYER: David Cornutt
START:
1. Kulwicki
2. Stricklin
FINISH:
1. B Bodine
2. D Waltrip
3. Martin
4. Schrader
5. Elliott
6. T Labonte
LONGSHOT:
1. Spencer
2. Cope

PLAYER: Drew Cornutt
START:
1. Elliott
2. Allison
FINISH:
1. Elliott
2. Allison
3. Martin
4. Rudd
5. Earnhardt
6. Gant
LONGSHOT:
1. Mader
2. B Labonte
From: mitch@dc49.dc (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: faster drivers
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:28:27 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@dc49.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 7650@dosgate, curtis.repen@canrem.com (curtis repen) writes:
>  Prost used to drive smart. Senna *did* not. Senna *now* does. Perhaps
>  his apprenticeship under the professor has taught him something?? I do
>  agree with you: up until, ohh say 1990, Senna threw away many races
>  through foolishness, or by pushing the car too hard. More recently,
>  however, he has been playing a much smarter game. This enabled him to
>  win the championship last year: nursing his car through to the finish
>  despite problems (which race did he win while missing two or three
>  gears ?? (I don't remember, and due to a *massive* hangover, I'm not
>  even going to try and poke around in my memory for answers: I might
>  not like some other stuff I might find in there :-) Anyways, I
>  digress.))

Maybe that's why he's doing so bad now.  Maybe he should go back to driving
fast.

>  IMHO, if you want to look at someone in F1 who isn't driving too
>  smartly, look at Nigel Mansell. When you're coasting in the lead, with
>  your teammate behind you, you should take it easy on the car, not push
>  it to the limit.

Mansell has always been the macho-man of F1 and has a driving style
similar to Mario's.  He is hard on equipment but he cannot bring 
himself to let up I guess.  We'll see what happens this year.




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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: F1 Brazil Pick6 ramblings
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:35:07 GMT

The field for the F1 pick 6 competition grew once again to 164 entrants.
Of these 11 were new players (including the welcome return of Dan Jones
and Dr Hedge).  Only 4 of the 122 players who had submitted entries in
both previous rounds failed to submit entries this time.

Between them the 164 entries nominated a total of 22 different drivers.
There was, as expected, yet another variant way of spelling Schumacher.
And, as noted by another poster, Prost fans die hard - he still got two
nominations. In fact one of these nominations is exemplary in its faith
in the power of Ferrari, for not only does it include a pick for Prost;
it also picks Alesi to win (and Capelli to take the second place spot).
It does not, however, mention Alboreto, although "Il Leone" is chosen.

This faith in Ferrari is not shown by the majority of players, however.
In terms of overall popularity things at the top look much the same as
they did for last race, with Mansell firmly picked for first position,
Patrese for second, and Senna for third (but rather closer than he was
last time). The rest of the top six has Schumacher in a distant fourth
place, Berger in fifth, and Brundle grabbing the sixth spot.  Alesi is
some way behind in the seventh spot, then there is a fairly large gap
to DeCesaris and Herbert battling for eighth and ninth places, and then
another large gap to Hakkinen in tenth and Capelli in eleventh. Other
drivers getting picked at least once were Boutsen, Gugelmin, Fittipaldi, 
Lehto, Comas, Wendlinger, Prost, Tarquini, Morbidelli, Caffi & Suzuki.

Patrese is now the driver who appears on the most picks, while Senna
has slipped below Mansell & Schumacher all the way to fourth. I guess
there is considerable doubt as to the reliability of the new McLaren!
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From: Tim Dudley
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Cobbs in Texas
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:37:37 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

All this talk about Texas prompts me to ask about Price Cobb's 
background - is he named after the Cobb stadium outside Dallas(?)?
Any other Cobbs do any racing?  Where is Price now?

Tim 
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From: johnmac@reg.triumf.ca (JOHNMAC*DOUGALL TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Subject: Re: F1: more on fuel
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:47:00 GMT

>|> >>                    no pre-cooling of fuel


Back in the Turbo Era, ELF employed liquid nitrogen (temp. 77 Kelvin, or -196 C)
to cool the fuel which allowed them to pack more into the tanks.  It may not 
seem like a big increase for the trouble but lot's of cars where running out of
fuel in the closing stages of races.  It didn't take long for FIA to ban the 
cryogenics.  john.
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From: jmvt@prl.dec.com (Jean-Manuel Van Thong)
Subject: F1 - a few questions
Keywords: F1
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 10:11:15 GMT

Hello All,

Could someone help me to answer few questions on Formula 1
[questions from my young son for a quizz]

1/ Jean Alesi and Ivan Capelli has won once the same championship
in F3 or F3000; anyone remember which one ?

2/ How many GP has Marlboro-Mc Laren Honda won in 1991 ?

3/ Who and when did Marlboro-Mc Laren team win its first F1 world
championship ?

4/ How many F1 world championship did Marlboro-Mc Laren win between
1974 and 1991 ?


Thanks for helping !

Jean-Manuel Van Thong
jmvt@prl.dec.com

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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: Up against the wall
Keywords: sports fans
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:43:44 GMT

gbr@bisco.kodak.com (Bruce Rodgers) writes:

>Hell, *I'll* write in if I have to!  (Do you think they'll notice the
>"Rochester, N.Y." postmark in Beaverton, OR.?  :-)

I'll second that!
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna bashing
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:41:22 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <7317.9204031008@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Roberto S. M. Barros) writes:

>| I'd love to see all of the current drivers slug it out in identical cars.
>| We could then put all these "my driver is better than your driver" to rest.

>Here I agree with you! Perhaps we could then see that Prost and Piquet might be
>the only challenge to Senna. Mansell still has many things to learn before he 
>thinks of beating Senna in the same equipment.
>(Merely my opinion - no flames).

Personally, I think you've got this arse-about. Mansell and Senna 
would be toe to toe, and Prost, Berger & Schumacher would be very
close behind (actually, maybe Schumacher would be with Mansell and
Senna.)
There is certainly no way that Piquet would be faster than Mansell,
remember when they were at Williams together? Mansell was faster &
won more GPs, which was a bit of a shock to Piquet.

When the red mist descends, Mansell always seems to be able to gain on 
anyone, even in not-quite-competitive machinery. (remember his 2nd place
in the Williams-Judd at Silverstone 1988?).

>Roberto Barros

Actually, as you think about it, Piquet has never really shone in a 
team with a fast team-mate. At Brabham he was virtually alone for
many years, and thus the focus of the team's effort. At Williams he
was shown up by Mansell, at Benetton he was OK, but as soon as
Schumacher came along he was shown up again. Apart from his glory
days with Brabham-BMW (not forgetting that he had a couple of hundred
Hp more than anyone else), he really hasn't shown up that highly.
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Mario's Crashes (was: Full Course Yellows in F1)
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:23:42 GMT

> "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>      However I seem to recall another incedent were Mario had an attack
>> of Brain lock.  I forget the race but it was a street course and was two
>> years ago.  A BRIGHT RED Alfa had parked along the front straight up
>> against the wall about in the middle of the straight.  [...]

dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman) writes:
> I think this was at Toronto, and as I remember it, Mario was having a really
> good contest with Fittipaldi. They go by Sullivan's dead alfa at least 4
> times before Mario got it big time.  Change that yellow to a massive
> debris flag :-). 

Yes, Toronto it was, the year was 1989 (I think), but Mario was trying to
get past Teo Fabi's March-Porsche...

> The car was at one of the few passing points
> on the course in a high speed straight. Mario had ducked under Emmo's
> rear wing to draft on him, then he popped out and blamo. I think
> from where the car was sitting, they should have had a standing yellow until
> they could remove it.

NO!!!  It's not a high-speed straight!  This was on a short (~200-300m)
straight between two 90-degree right-handers, going towards the Lakeshore
Blvd. side of the circuit.

Sure, they took, the flag down, but Mario ASSumed that the car was gone (how?
CART doesn't have cranes and there was no runoff!) and just slammed into it.
He didn't bother looking first...

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
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From: dafuller@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar (Long Beach)
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:10:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr13.081042.17036
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

SPOILER COMING.  Don't say I didn't warn you.



Danny Sullivan won in the Gallmer, having survived a controversial 
shunt with teammate Al Unser, Jr. 4 laps from the finish.

Bobby Rahal came in second, Scott Goodyear (!) third.

Sullivan and Unser came together in turn 10 (?) when Sullivan put his
car to the rear 1/4 of the lead Gallmer; Unser took the line and hit
Sullivan's left front in a fairly classic racing accident.  Unser  
finished 4th in a finish that won't do much for team unity.

I tuned into the last 10 laps of the race, having thrashed with mine
aging GTI for much of the afternoon replacing yet another alternator
bracket bolt.  

I don't really know whether Sullivan had the turn, I kind of doubt it
but it also seems that Unser was singularly determined to turn in on
the line, even if it meant crashing.  

I guess this confirms there are no team orders.  I suspect Danny was
Real Hungry.  Didn't those guys crash before at Indy?

Comments?
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Andretti bashing by Cheever
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:47 EST  

In article <181083@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com 
(Dan Jones) writes...
>So what happened at Long Beach?  Last season I must remember at least
>three times that he bashed the various Andrettis during interviews.  On
>Sunday he had the perfect opportunity and mentioned little.  Any theories?

A couple:

1.	Eddie has nothing to gain by "bashing" Mario.
2.	He knew that a million (?) TV viewers could see that Mario lied, so
	he didn't have to say anything.
3.	This season has been less frustrating (L.B. aside) for Cheever/
	Ganassi than last season.
4.	Part of the agreement to run the new Cosworth precludes bashing the
	other Cosworth drivers (applicable only to Cheever/Ganassi).
5.	Eddie was so rattled by Mario's stupidity that he was speechless.
6.	Ford promised the next TV commercial to Eddie if he kept quiet.

Strange year this year in Indycar.

Three races, one won with a new engine("Chevy B"), one with a new owner 
(Rahal), and one with a new chassis (Galmer).

JD
From: mitch@dc49.dc (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna-sux (c)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:21:36 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@dc49.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 6357@sequent.com, dafuller@sequent.com () writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.175047.4778@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:
>>Anyone figure out what happenned to Senna in Brazil.  The arrogant jerk
>>refused an interview I guess.  Nobody seemed to say what was the problem.
>>He appeared to be going backwards for awhile before quitting.  Was he using
>>the Integra or the new car?
>Not as arrogant as the posters in this group.
>Does your fancy workstation subject you to 5 Gs in 3 dimensions?
>Have you ever been on your head in a car?  If not, shut up.
>Next question.

Next question is, what's the reason the arrogant jerk refused interviews?
I don't own an Integra so maybe I'm out of line expecting an answer but to
all of those Integra owners out there, I think you deserve an answer.  After
all, if it can happen to the putz's Integra then it might happen to yours.

I don't understand what being subjected to 5g's in an Integra has anything
to do with it either.  My workstation is not a car.  I can't even sit in
it and pretend.  I understand there are many Senna apologists out there
but I truly believe that drivers have an obligation to grant interviews
to commercial networks who are paying rights fees which add to their
ridiculous salaries.  Without commercial sponsorship these guys would all
be weekend kart racers back in the home country.

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Cale Yarborough's Team (of drivers) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:13:43 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula) writes:

>Also, about Chad Little...I believe he is a very promising driver who
>simply needs to get some experience to become a top driver.  Cale dumps him
>after 6 races?  Come on!  I figure it takes at least one year before a team
>really get to know a driver.  

Unless the names happen to be Bill Elliott and Junior Johnson....:-)

 -Steve
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:49:25 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <1992Apr7.113307.14104@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers) writes:
>The problem with full-course yellows is that they are used to make races
>artificially "close".  The safety record in F1 (and in SCCA and IMSA, for 
>that matter) suggests that local yellows are sufficient for safe racing, 

on a road course, i'll grant that full course yellows are usually
overkill.  on an oval, there is absolutely no freaking way that
a local yellow will work when you're looking at 30 second laps.

now admittedly, NASCAR does tend to use full course yellows to
control the path a race follows (at the last race, they actually put
one out so that everyone could come in and change tires without
losing laps!), but nobody in NASCAR (fans, drivers, owners, etc.) seems
to be complaining about it ...

cheers,
  richard
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From: n6j1@pnet16.cts.com (Ctr2 Gosselin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hawaiian Bbs?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:36:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: nctams1.1992Apr6.173604.19392
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC


              rj,

Sorry to report that this BBS is part of a Military net.  But besides 
[---- getting our military info we are authorized to access other info.
That is how I discovered this news group.  There are many other BBS
on Hawaii unfortunitly, I do not know of any other at this time.

                                norm

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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: First Union 400 (N.Wilkesboro NASCAR) results (short, SPOILER)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.13APR199210530419
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12APR199215282202@zeus.tamu.edu>, pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes...
>Howdy!
>	Nice touch by ESPN devoting 30 minutes to cover the Junior Johnson
>story.  Those guys ... I think the ESPN crew is hands-down, far-and-away
>the BEST broadcast team anywhere.  I only saw the start and finish, but
>it looked like a pit-crew race.  Did most of the lead-changing among the
>first five happen in the pits?
>	I have to hand it to ...... <results follow>
>
>	...... Davey Allison!  "Playing hurt" defined, I guess.  Good show
>by Earnhardt and Wallace, too.  Looks like there might not be the 2-tier
>competition R.Childress would have us believe; during the race, anyways.
>Would've liked to see Kulwicki stomp again, but I think he got most-laps-
>led points and a 7th (?).  Too bad Jarrett got smacked in the first heat;
>I think a lot of folks were pulling for a win from them.  And if *The King*
>didn't have bad luck, he'd have ...... (!).
>	Gant took over 2nd place in points thanks to Elliot's 20th.
>Labonte continued his top-10 streak; I think he's third in points.
>Kulwicki is fifth; forgot who's fourth?
> 
>	Later .....

Rusty should have put the same move on Davey that he put on DW at The 
Winston a couple of years back :-)

Since I was listening to MRN (while driving through Detroit - the action on 
I-75 almost matched the MRN broadcast, at almost the same speeds), I missed 
the Hillin - Kyle incident, which resulted in a five lap stay in the 
penalty box for the 66 car.  Any details on what Bobby did?

JD