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From: Bob.Way@bdragon.fidonet.org (Bob Way)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: French names
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:34:18 GMT


 -=> Quoting -Unknown- to All <=-


 -> I have an ancestor born in 1698, that is listed in different
 -> sources as Jean-Baptiste, and Joseph. Looking at the original parish
 -> records, he is called Jean-Baptiste, but in later references, as well
 -> as in records from U de Montreal, he is referred to as Joseph. I am
 -> having trouble getting all of my data to match, and so wish to get
 -> the opinion of the more knowledgeable members of the list.
 -> The data I have from Rene Jette's book lists no Joseph, while
 -> Tanguay plainly shows a Joseph born in 1705.
 -> Slightly dazed and confused;

  Paul,  The problem with the French Canadians is that almost all males
  had the name Joseph and the females all had the name Marie prefixed to
  the names they were actually known by.  The bigger problem is in the
  fact that the names were used interchangably - depending on who was
  doing the recording.
     Advice, - when you are having trouble finding a person that you've
  been lookiing for - stop looking for the name you have and look for a
  Joseph + the last name or a Marie.  You'll more than likely be
  successful in your search.  It works most of the time.
     If you are confident that your dates and marriage info is correct,
  your Joseph/Jean-Baptiste is more than likely the same person.  Also
  note that Jette is usually correct (I have only found three slight
  errors) and Tanguay is seldom correct in a controvercy.
     Let me know who you FC ancestors are and we can probably find a
  common link(s).  I may already have a good portion of you research
  completed.  There is a terrific source for FC research in the
  American-Canadian Genealogical Society in Manchester, NH.  I'm a
  member and have a weekly direct like to their facility.   If you need
  any help, let me know and I'll pass your request along.  In most
  cases, if you can provide names and a marriage date/place in Canada, I
  can get the line back to France for you in no time at all.
     This is my first exposure to this net - I'm actve on the FIDONET
  system - so I'm not sure this will get out to you.  Let me know.

                                               Bob way


... Am I part of the ROOTS or the BRANCHES of this TREE?
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:33:14 -0500
Reply-To:     "Percy Thomas, Winnipeg MB" <PTHOMAS@MBRSWI.AGR.CA>
From:         "Percy Thomas, Winnipeg MB" <PTHOMAS@MBRSWI.AGR.CA>
Subject:      civil war records
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Rather than send this directly to the person requesting info (sorry, I deleted
the message before writing down the name), I thought it better to send it to
the list, in order to provide anyone who is interested with a description of a
recent experience in obtaining civil war records.  I realize that this topic
has been discused here before, but the following adds slightly to what went
before.

I was having trouble locating information about a gg granduncle who
appeared to have died while in service during the civil war.  I had
minimal information: name, state, birth and death date and place, and
name of widow; no service information was available.  I was informed, by
this list, of the existance of NATF Form 80, which is available from the
following address:

National Archives and Records Administration
7th and Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20408

I requested the form and received it after about 3 weeks.  This form is
valid for military service up to, but not including, WW1.  The minimum
information required is the name of the individual, branch of service,
state, war in which he served, and (for the civil war) whether union or
confederate.  If known, the following is also requested: unit, military
arm, rank, kind of service (volunteer or regular), pension/bounty-land
file No., location of home for soldiers lived in, date and place of
birth and death, name of widow, and residence after service.  You can
request pension, bounty-land warrant file, or military information, but
are advised that the most useful genealogical information comes form the
pension file.

I filled in the form and requested a search of the pension file. After a
mere four week wait, I received 28 pages of photocopied records, a
veritable gold mine!

The cost?  A real bargain at $10 - if they find the file, there is no
charge if they do not.  They will send the information after you pay, or
(as in my case) you can send your VISA/MC number with the form and
receive things that much faster.  The latter method of payment is a real
bonus for those of us living outside the USA, it makes things so
much simpler and is less costly as well.

Good luck in your searches!

Percy Thomas  Internet: pthomas@mbrswi.agr.ca
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com (Paul Weaver)
Subject: Re:      civil war records
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:47:32 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina


>>                                                               You can
>> request pension, bounty-land warrant file, or military information, but
>> are advised that the most useful genealogical information comes form the
>> pension file.

True, the pension files are usually the most useful, but the U.S. govt did not
grant pensions to Confederate veterans. Consequently, you will only find military
records files for Confederate soldiers at the Nat'l Archives. Many southern states
did grant pensions to their soldiers. You can usually get copies by writing to the
State Archives for the state in which the soldier served. I have seen fees ranging
from $5 at the NC archives, to $25 in Georgia.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul J. Weaver
pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re:      RE: Marriage of Cousins
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 00:22:47 GMT

        Ed Shephard <ESHEPHAR@BINGVMB.BITNET> writes:
	[stuff deleted]

: But, in a more historically accurate vein, I do know from my own
: historical training that in agrarian society the marriage of cousins
: was very common as one strategy for keeping land in the family and
: preventing the fragmentation of family farms.  This was true in
: pre-modern Europe and was probably also true in the early history
: of the United States.
: 

 Not just in the Christian world, either: it's very common in the
mountain valleys in northern Morocco: for much the same reasons:
shortage of land leads people to try an keep it within lineages.
Question: probably unanswerable - is there a conincidence between the
hanges in legal status of land, so taht it become more widely available
for sale and the lessening of cousin marriages? On the other hand my own
family includes a lot of cousin marriages in the early 19th century -
which take up a  lot of repetitive space on descendent's charts. by the
way! - and tehy were a. urban b. rich middle class. Id guess another
part of it was that they moved in much the same circles (whcih were
largely political/ administrative/legal - though preserving family
fortune may have had something to do with it.

Richard Pennell, History NUS
: 
: 
: 
: **********************************************************************
: Ed Shephard, Glenn G. Bartle Library
: Box 6012, State University of New York at Binghamton
: Binghamton, NY  13902-6012
: INTERNET: eshephar@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu
: BITNET: eshephar@bingvmb
: **********************************************************************
: Researching: BEERS,COOPER,CRITES,CRON,FOSTER,FOXWELL,FRENCH,GLOVER,
:              HARRIS,HORIGAN,JANES,LOVELADY,MILLER,PETERSON,SHEPHARD,
:              STEARNS,YEAKEL
: **********************************************************************
Xref: sparky soc.veterans:1094 alt.war.vietnam:162
From: bergman@AFPAN.PA.AF.MIL (CMSgt Mike Bergman)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: AF News Svc 10/01/92
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:47:03 GMT
Organization: Hq Air Force News Agency/SCC


784.  Continuing resolution
785.  Promotion testing
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784.  Continuing resolution
     WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- Despite the fact that Congress has yet to produce an
approved fiscal 1993 budget, servicemen and women are being paid in the new
fiscal year, Air Force officials said.
     So far, neither the fiscal 1993 Department of Defense Appropriations Act
nor the fiscal 1993 Authorization Act has been approved.
     In the meantime, the Department of Defense is operating under a
continuing resolution authority, signed by the president late Sept. 30,
providing budget authority or money at the same rate as last year for specific
on-going activities or non-expiring programs such as pay.
     Because no new authorization act was approved, however, the following pay
programs expired Sept. 30:
     -- Aviator continuation pay.
     -- Accession bonus for registered nurses.
     -- Nurse-candidate accession programs.
     -- Special pay for nurse anesthetists.
     -- Active-duty and Reserve enlistment and re-enlistment bonuses.
     The authority for other Reserve programs also expired Sept. 30, including
the computing of years of service for transfer to the retired Reserve.
     While no new bonus contracts can be signed until a new authorization act
is implemented, the resolution will cover anniversary payments for the
following contracts signed in fiscal 1992 and earlier:
     -- Aviation retention bonus.
     -- Multi-year special pay.
     -- Medical officer bonus.
     -- Additional special pay.
     -- Incentive special pay for physicians.
     -- Enlistment and re-enlistment bonuses.


785.  Promotion testing
     RANDOLPH AFB, Texas (AFNS) -- People evacuated from Homestead AFB, Fla.,
may get extra time to settle personal business and prepare for promotion
testing, Air Force personnel officials said.
     Evacuated members scheduled to test during cycle 94S8, Oct. 1 through
Nov. 30, will test for promotion 60 to 75 days after they arrive at their new
assignment.  This will allow them 30 days to settle their personal matters and
30 days' study time.
     People scheduled for testing during cycle 93S9, Aug. 1-30, will test for
promotion 30 to 45 days after they arrive at their new duty location.
     Additional study time for the 93S9 cycle is not warranted since people
were expected to have been prepared at the beginning of the cycle, officials
said.
     Individuals from either testing cycle who want to test earlier may do so,
but they must first sign a waiver.
     Local personnel offices have more information.


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Newsgroups: soc.veterans,alt.war.vietnam
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: IN COUNTRY: Songs of the Vietnam War
Followup-To: soc.veterans
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:20:52 GMT


                   AUSTIN CITY LIMITS Presents
              "In Country: Songs of the Vietnam War"
                  on Veterans' Day, November 11

Legendary PBS Music Program AUSTIN CITY LIMITS presents a very special
Veterans' Day concert at 10:30 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, November 11.*
Celebrity host Kris Kristofferson, member of the country music Songwriters
Hall of Fame, along with Vietnam-era veterans perform on "In Country:
Songs of the Vietnam War."

For more information, please call Rebekah E. Morris or Vicky Hill at
(512)471-4811, or contact Lydia Fish at fishlm@snybufva.bitnet.

*Check local PBS stations for correct airdate and time.
-- 
#L.W. Jewell Moderator at the Veterans Information Site (veteran@cc.purdue.edu)#
#& WWII-L Listowner: "Sunday's horoscope is note worthy because of its strange,#
#sudden and wholly unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all   #
#phases of life." "Your Horoscope" L.A. Evening Herald Express, Sat, 12/06/41  #
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Anybody on this group with Phantom Limb Pain
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 22:24:18 GMT

I'd like to discuss chronic phantom limb pain with anyone who
has experienced this severely and for a number of years.

Any takers reply to me at 'labiche@bnr.ca'.
Or post here if you can't mail me.

----------------
Maurice LaBiche 

Newsgroups: soc.veterans,alt.war.vietnam
From: kelsey@PILOT.NJIN.NET (Ann KELSEY)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: [Ann KELSEY <kelsey@pilot.njin.net>: Federal Bulletin Board]
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:35:14 GMT

Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) 
	id AA24483; Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:34:11 EDT
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:34:09 EDT
From: Ann KELSEY <kelsey@pilot.njin.net>
To: vwar-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Cc: kelsey
Subject: Federal Bulletin Board
Message-Id: <CMM-RU.1.3.717651249.kelsey@pilot.njin.net>



According to Scott Mace in _InfoWorld_ vol. 14 #36 Sept. 7, 1992, p.3,
the Government Printing Office has just opened a bulletin board to
provide access to federal agency data.  It currently has files from
the State Dept., Energy Dept., and the EPA.  More agencies are
supposed to be available soon.  According to Mace "the average file
costs less than $10.00 to download."  Phone # for the BBS is
202-512-1387.

Ann Kelsey
kelsey@pilot.njin.net


Xref: sparky soc.veterans:1063 alt.war.vietnam:79
From: murphy@sunny.dab.ge.com (John Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: 199th LIB - Redcatchers
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:55:59 GMT
Reply-To: murphy@sunny.dab.ge.com
Organization: General Electric - SCSD

Are there any Redcatchers out there? I was in D Troop, 17th Cav, 199th LIB 69-70.
From: bergman@AFPAN.PA.AF.MIL (CMSgt Mike Bergman)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: This Week in WWII
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:21:46 GMT
Organization: Hq Air Force News Agency/SCC

AFMC News Service 92-09-191

This week in World War II

     An Army Air Force combat chronology.

     Oct. 2, 1942 --  Thirty Eighth Air Force B-17 Flying
Fortresses bomb the Potez aircraft factory at Meaulte,
France.  Despite being escorted by 400 allied fighters,
German interceptors penetrate the bombers' formation.
However, B-17 pilots show their defensive ability by using
their 11.50 caliber machine guns.

     That same day a German submarine, a U-512, is sunk
off the French Guiana coast by aircraft from the 99th Bomb
Squadron..

     Oct. 3, 1942 -- B-24 Liberators, escorted by P-38
Lightnings and P-39 Airacobras, bomb and strafe Japanese-
occupied Kiska Harbor in the Aleutians.  A cargo ship and
the enemy camp are hit.  Six enemy float plane fighters
are shot down by American fighters.  The Japanese bomb the
U.S. airfield at Adak, but no damage results.

     Oct. 6, 1942 -- B-24s bomb the harbor of Bengasi,
Libya.  Antiaircraft fire is heavy and enemy fighters
attack the bomber formation over the target.  Two
Liberators are lost.

             Oct. 8, 1942 -- Trying to route Japanese
forces from New Guinea, 5th Air Force B-25 Mitchells bomb
enemy sites in the Buna area while A-20 Havocs strafe and
bomb the Buna-Kokoda Trail.  As a result, the Japanese
withdrawal across the Owen Stanley Mountain Range slows.


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Newsgroups: soc.veterans,sci.aeronautics
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans,alt.war.vietnam
Subject: POW/MIA Records at National Archives, etc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:42:23 GMT
Followup-To: alt.war.vietnam
Organization: Purdue University


Repost from VWAR-L:

Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:50:37 EDT
Reply-To: Viet Nam War Discussion List <VWAR-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
Subject:      Re:  pow/mia


I am responding to your E-Mail request of September 29, 1992
regarding casualty records for [names edited out for privacy
reasons.] 

The Center for Electronic Records has the [Southeast Asian]
Combat Area Casualties Current File (CACCF), a data file created
by the Office of the Secretary of Defense with final records for
casualties from the Vietnam conflict, including records for
personnel who were declared dead while missing or captured.  The
data file is current as of October 1991.

The Center also has custody of a database with records from the
[Army] Adjutant General's Center, the Casualty Information System
(TAGCEN).  The database contains information on casualties
suffered by all U.S. Army personnel and their dependents,
worldwide, during the period 1961-1981. 

It may be useful for you to know that the U.S. Veterans
Administration will forward mail to living military veterans for
whom they have a current address.  Mail should be addressed to
the veteran and sent c/o Mr. Michael D. McIntyre, Veterans
Administration (203CI), 810 Vermont Avenue, N.W., Washington, DC
20420.

Another organization that may be of help to you is the Vietnam
Veterans' Registry.  This is a registry of Vietnam Veterans
created to assist other veterans and their families in locating
their friends and relatives.  Their address is:  Vietnam
Veterans' Registry, PO Box 430, Bridgton, ME 04009.  We are
providing this information for your possible use, but without any
implied endorsement.

If you have any further questions or if we can be of additional
assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Sincerely,

THEODORE J. HULL
Archives Specialist, Archival Services Branch
Center for Electronic Records
National Archives, Washington DC  20408
(202) 501-5579

-- 
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#sudden and wholly unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all   #
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Xref: sparky soc.veterans:1092 alt.war.vietnam:160
From: ashkon_k@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: From the Baha'i Writings
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:12:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43539
Organization: -

"He Who is your Lord, the All-Merciful, cherisheth in His
heart the desire of beholding the entire human race as one
soul and one body.  Haste ye to win your share of God's
good grace and mercy in this Day that eclipseth all other
created Days.  How great the felicity that awaiteth the
man that forsaketh all he hath in a desire to obtain the
things of God!  Such a man, We testify, is among God's
blessed ones."

-Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 214
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
From: "Charles W. Cooper II" <charles@oneworld.wa.com>
Subject: More Baha'i Mirth....
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 02:08:10 GMT


O.K., 

How about this one....

Did you know that while 'Abdul'-Baha was in America he was given a credit
card?  Guess which one.....




			*****MASTERCARD****




O.K., 


What city is in the middle of the Bahai Faith?


		Haifa
             Ba haifa ith.....




hmmm.....!
From: deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: Re: Question about Different Religions
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:29:10 GMT
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

A question was put forth to me and I am forwarding to this forum for general
consideration with hopes that the questioner will get a comprehensive answer
from a wide audience.

The question was this:

Common view of Hinduism is that it is polytheistic and yet the Baha'is claim 
that all religions come from one God.  How do Bahai's know their claim to be
true as well as claiming that alot of the other religions have corrupted 
themselves from their original form contrary to what each religion today is
professing (Incarnation, reincarnation and absolutism)?

This is one for Richard :-)

David E. Barrett
Honolulu, Hawaii
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
From: CHESLEY@fox.nstn.ns.ca (John Chesley)
Subject: Baha'i Jokes
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 18:12:41 GMT


Since someone has been so bold as to have started this train of posting, 
[so they should be blamed and not me :-) ] ; here is my Baha'i joke:

:-)	Not many people know that there is a prayer specifically
:-)	revealed by the Founder of the Baha'i Faith for drycleaners.
:-)	Yes, drycleaners!

(pause for effect)

:-)	It is called "Blessed is the Spot" *


* For you non-Baha'is this refers to the very well know prayer of 
Baha'u'llah's, which is the one children often learn and recite 
which goes:

	Blessed is the spot, and the house,
	and the place, and the city,
	and the heart, and the mountain,
	and the refuge, and the cave, 
	and the valley, and the land,
	and the sea, and the island,
	and the meadow where mention 
	of God hath been made,
	and His praise glorified.


John Chesley
Halifax
Nova Scotia

JohnC@hfx001.ns.istc.ca
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:06:48
Distribution: ne
From: "VIVEK V. NAIR" <vnair@phobos.ucc.umass.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Subject: Institute for the Healing of Racism

Hi Folks!

The Baha'i club at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, would
like to announce the setting up of an Institute for the Healing of
Racism. The first meeting is scheduled to take place on the 8th of
October at 7:00 p.m in room 165 Campus Center. Anyone interested is
most welcome to attend.
From: Terry Maton - Construction Engineering Assistant <MATON@pplant.usask.ca>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: From the Baha'i Writings
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43597
Organization: -

One of the requirements of faithfulness is
that thou mayest sacrifice thyself and, in
the divine path, close thine eye to every
pleasure and strive with all thy soul that
thou mayest disappear and be lost, like 
unto a drop, in the ocean of God's love.

--Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 552
From: ashkon_k@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: From the Baha'i Writings
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:12:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43528
Organization: -

"He Who is your Lord, the All-Merciful, cherisheth in His
heart the desire of beholding the entire human race as one
soul and one body.  Haste ye to win your share of God's
good grace and mercy in this Day that eclipseth all other
created Days.  How great the felicity that awaiteth the
man that forsaketh all he hath in a desire to obtain the
things of God!  Such a man, We testify, is among God's
blessed ones."

-Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 214