HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Re: Photo Radar
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:04:06 GMT

In article <3973.2A91BBE2@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John  
Hamilton) writes:
=>Tuesday August 18 1992 17:53, R. Craig Dodson wrote to All:
=>
=> RCD> I've seen this posted here more than once, and although they may be
=> RCD> "poor" targets, they are targets just the same. Having several friends
=> RCD> who have gotten tickets on bikes (all radar clocked) over the years,  
let
=> RCD> me assure you that a bike is no Stealth fighter or SR-71. Hell, ever  
go
=> RCD> to a county fair where they time softball throws with a radar gun? A
=> RCD> softball would seem to be a much "poorer" target than a bike, let  
alone
=> RCD> a car or truck and yet the gun has no problem picking up the tiny 6"
=> RCD> sphere. Even your helmet alone is a good 12" (semi) sphere.
=>
=>Abolutely. We've used police radar guns to measure the speed of 1/10th scale
=>radio control cars, which have a radar signature somewhat less than the
=>headlight on all street-legal bikes. Works fine.
=>

Er, what is the distance invovled here???  I don't imagine that you get much  
of a profile for a 1/10th scale car at 1/4 mile...

=>John
=>John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
=>DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
=>ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
=>She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.

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From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: novell.1992Aug19.181227.27685
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <16tfjbINN13r@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>I had been finding myself stuck with basically this problem, and realised
>that it was because I wasn't keeping my head up properly.  When you look
>ahead into a turn enough, you don't really "see" your lean angle as much,
>and make the turns fine.  (Did that make sense to youse guys?)  I was
>having problems where I would slow down way too much for turns because I
>wasn't trusting my front tire, and I thought back to my MSF class, and
>remembered how the instructors were always telling everyone to "keep your
>head up."  I forced myself back into the habit, and woila!  My turns in
>both directions are fine.

MSF teaches you to look through turns.  Yet I find that on a downward
cloverleaf joining a freeway, looking "through" the turn causes me to
not track the long arc properly.

I find keeping my upper body and head level with horizon to be much
more useful.  If you countersteer / lean the bike aggressively, but come
up off the seat slightly to the opposite side, you can keep your head
level and track the bike beneath you as tightly as you dare.

Of course, this works best on a _light_, _maneuverable_ bike (even
if it doesn't set off traffic sensors ;-) ).
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
   mvij@novell.com                              \_/.  .  . . ........
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.071244.316@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes...
>In article <1992Aug20.051712.12764@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>>>He will have legal documentation that you obtained his address
>>>immediately after an "incident," if you give some bullshit to the DMV
>>>like "I picked up sunglasses that fell out of his car and want to
>>>return them," that will further contribute to the circumstantial
>>>evidence implicating you and exposing you to civil damages.
>> Good point.  As my mother never said, "Patience is a virtue."
> 
	As my mother always said:  Patience is a virtue,
				   possess it if you can.
				   Found seldom in a woman,
				   and never in a man.
		Right, laurie? ;-)

>i prefer the mafia's line: "revenge is a dish best serve cold."
> 
> 
>-- 
>-- bob pasker
>-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
>--
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
From: cernada@ait.com (Joseph P. Cernada)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:43:01 GMT
Reply-To: cernada@ait.com
Organization: Artificial Intelligence Technologies, Inc.


> While I was flying along a nice quiet country road, I noticed a
> strange phenomena (sp?)... Although I could quite happily lean as far
> as I wanted to the left, there seemed to be some mental block which
> limited how far I could make myself lean to the right. After zooming
> round some left handers at ever- increasing speed, I came upon a right
> hander and very nearly killed myself, because although I had plenty
> space to lean into, I just couldn't make myself go far enough, and I
> had to brake _hard_.

I have more problems with left turns than right turns.  I think this
is because when I lean to the left, my head sticks out towards
oncoming traffic (Assuming I'm driving on the right side of the road).
When I turn right, my head's pointed away from traffic and it feels
*much* safer.

-- 
--
Joseph P. Cernada	AIT, Inc.
914/347-6860		50 Executive Blvd.
cernada@ait.com		Elmsford, New York 10523
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Stuff that fits (was: Hard-soled shoes/boots)
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:18:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.141542.11606@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>So much for over-the-ankle boots staying on when you get tossed...
>
Just like gloves, jackets, helmets, etc., if it comes off easily when you're
standing near your front door, it'll probably come off in a crash. There are
lots of cases around here about people who don't tie their helmets on
(why would you bother to wear a helmet and not do up the strap?) or their
helmets are too big and they come off the first time the head hits something.
The hemlet is not there for the next bounce and the head makes a mess on 
the pavement. Yuck.

Zip it, tie it, velcro it, snap it, etc.

Any recommendations for gloves for female riders? Men's gloves are either
too wide or too short.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:37:14 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <2244@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>]Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
>]
>]	What would YOU do ?
>-- 
>
>--
>Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
>Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com

So Joe, you wouldn't do much then, huh?

Dean


-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: ramarren@Apple.COM (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Price Gouging? Really?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:04:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

You're supposed to ride the machines, not slide them along the 
ground, Cliff.
==========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Ducatisto In Residence"
Ducati 750GT, Honda VFR700 Interceptor, Ducati 250 Mk III
==========
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: cars-v-bikes
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:45:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug12.144518.4926
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug11.211316.3446@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>In a previous article, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) says:
>>>jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>>>In a previous article, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) says:
>
>>>>>How about 1/4 mile times? Aren't cars down into the 4 second range?
>>>
>>>>Sure.  My car will do the quarter in 4.2 seconds at 420 mph on unleaded
>>>>regular.  Has a 60-0 stopping distance of 4 feet too.
>>>
>>>I'll use small words so you can understand.  Top Fuel.
>>>-- 
>>Thank you.  Those small words help.  With top fuel, it'll do it in 2.8
>>seconds at 650 mph.
>
>Always glad to help. But I've got one question: how quick does it stop
>on top fuel?

It doesn't.  For stopping, it uses bottom fuel.


Ah, yes.  The good old days, when motorcycles all ran on white gas.... :')
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
Which is worse: using vast wealth to trounce a small country on the battlefield,
or using vast wealth to trounce several countries on the basketball court?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Price Gouging? Really?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.215806.8970@novell.com> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:

>Sportbikes are quite gorgeous, and the expensive bodywork is not just
>for show but is aerodynamic as well.  The melding of function and form
>artistically is to be enjoyed, not denigrated.
>Or is that Denizen-grated?

not that i wish to be confused with the english nazis of threads past, but:

the correct term is "dented/grated", describing to the 'expensive bodywork',
etal, after dutifully carrying out its job of protecting the shiny paint on the
frame from any scratches incurring while performing a newbie-induced gravity
check for its owner.  or from incidental ground contact while attempting to
trip a stoplight sensor ...

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|       "I love your post.  Please don't stop."   -- Lissa Shoun           |
|                                                                          |
|               "the swelling was real"  -- Paul S. Sears                  |
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From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Torque VS. Horse power: What is the difference????
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:34:05 -0500
Organization:  

In article <16pohuINNp4v@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, sandman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
> Could someone please compare the relationship of torque curves and
> horsepower curves?

	Weren't you asking about rejetting a Goof2  a while back ?
The July 1992 issue of _Cycle_World_ has curves for torque and hp versus
RPM for several 600-class bikes.

-- 
Robert H. Yang               | DoD # 0593
Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.	     | '92 CBR600F2 "It hisses on snakes."
RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU | AMA # 642916

   "Society cannot change until persons change.  We have hope for the
    future because we have seen persons change." - from "I'm OK, You're OK"
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 13 Aug 1992 08:16:45 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <13335@pogo.wv.tek.com> kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Mills) writes:
>My question is: Do those of you who are also getting low rates have
>cars insured with the same company?  I know you probably don't want
>to admit to owning a vehicle but for some of us (who like to get up
>onto the mountains in winter) a cage becomes a necessary part of life.

Yep, sure do.  An 86' Ford Escort.  It's now my backup transportation.
8-)  I even got to drop that vehicles part of my premiums by $25 when I
told them that the mileage per year on it would be going down to at most
1000 miles/year.  My net increase in insurance/year, $150.

>Now my poor roommate is the opposite case.  He really got shafted
>when he bought his GSX600F Katana.  He was originally going to get
>an F2 too, but he was quoted something like $3000/yr.  So he 
>began quoting lesser expensive bikes.  The insurance company quoted
>him $900/yr for the Katana so he bought it.  Three weeks later he
>gets a letter from the insurance agent saying the quote was in
>error and the actual rate was again about $3000.  He cancelled and
>they refunded his money.  he went else where but couldn't get for
>less than $2500 so he's stuck with totally out of control insurance
>rates.  But then he's in that demographic group (20 years old).

A friend of mine who has owned his ninja now for about 3 years had a
similar thing happen to him.  He tried to go with his cage's company and
they wanted more than he bought the bike for per year to insure it,
something like $4500.  He asked them, "You don't want to insure it, do
you?"  Guess what their answer was....

Anyway, in the D.C. area there's a company called Colonial Insurance
which will insure pretty much anything.  His Ninja now costs him $400 a
year to insure.

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
From: marcouil@newton.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Luc Marcouiller)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Torque VS. Horse power: What is the difference????
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

In article <16pohuINNp4v@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, sandman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
|> 
|> Alright. I know what torque is a measurement of, but I don't know
|> how horsepower relates to that.

Horsepower is a measurement of power >8^0, i.e. units of energy per units
of time (like Watts=Joule/sec).  If you multiply the torque by the rotationnal
speed you get ... power.  In american units it's a nightmare to calculate
'cose of all the conversions factors you have to get in.

|> 
|> Could someone please compare the relationship of torque curves and
|> horsepower curves?

hp = RPM*torque*those_nasty_constants
So if you take the torque curve and multiply values from it by the RPM, you
get ... the horsepower curve >8^).   This is why you get max hp at the redline
usually and that you may find while riding that you obtain the max pull before
the redline depending on engine design and tuning. Voila !

Share and Enjoy

Luc

e-mail:----> marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
From: kelton@ocf.berkeley.edu (Allen Kelton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 18 Aug 1992 18:53:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

	On twisties, my father has a method in cars that can be adapted.  If
a car is tailgating, he starts to establish a pattern.  Going into a curve,
he brakes hard.  Coming out of a curve, he brakes hard again.  After doing
this a few times, he can notice the guy behind him starting to "understand"
how my dad drives and starts braking in line with him.  When he gets to the
exit of the next curve, instead of hitting the brakes, he turns on his
parking lights and hits the gas.  The tailgater follows the training my
father has been giving him for the past few turns, hits his brakes, is left
behind, and is either bewildered or feels like an idiot.  It's even better
on a bike.  Since newer cars have the 3rd brake light, a more observant
tailgater won't be fooled as easily.  With a motorcycle, if you have your
rear brake adjusted correctly, you can tap it enough to turn on your brake
lights but not put pressure on the brakes.

kelton@ocf.berkeley.edu		DoD #198
Allen Kelton			1975/8 Honda GL1000
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:45:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) says:
> Thursday August 13 1992 21:53, Joe Senner wrote to All:
> 
>  >>  SG> Yeah, but don't they catch that on the VIN?
>  >>
>  >> You MUST be kidding?
> 
>  JS> who, me? I didn't say I got it, I said I got a quote. no doubt the
>  JS> shitheads at the home office would have caught that one. I stayed
>  JS> with dairyland at $850/yr (I shop around at renewal time just in
> 
> Joe, I was commenting to the rookie who thought an insurance company could
> reverse-engineer the make/model from a VIN number, not your insurance quote.

Actually, they COULD do so. Most of them choose not to. In many cases, 
the information necessary to reverse engineer quite a bit of information
is contained in the workshop manual.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne)
Subject: Float adjustment w/out gauge....
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Distribution: na
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:56:21


Hi.

I'm going to attempt to adjust the floats on my 1986 VF500F Interceptor.
I don't have the honda float level gauge.  I have one question to anyone who
has done this with their VF500F:

Which way do you bend to get the float 'tang'  to get things richer, and which
way for leaner?

A diagram:
                   Float
                         |     Float valve assy.
Float boal               |        |
goes on top here         V        |    
        |                __       V
        ----->          /  \______o
               ------------------------
Carb body----->|                      |


Does adjusting the float 'upwards' make things leaner or richer?  My guess
would have been leaner, but the manual says richer.  How can I be sure???

I want to try and ride my bike tonight!!!!! It's been tooo long!!!!!!!

Any hints will result in profuse thanks,...

Andrew
alavigne@bnr.ca
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Muzzy vs. Fiamms
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:37:18 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
]ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
]>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
]>> Ride quiet.  It makes for friends for motorcyclists.
]>And there is a _big_ difference between riding a bike that you can't
]>hear working and a bike that thrills your soul with its music.
]Well I guess if your bike is so gutless that the acceleration can't
]thrill you, settling for mere noise is an alternative.

I just listened to Brian's Hawk as it pulled out of the driveway, and it
isn't TOO bad. most certainly any showroom level Belching Davidson whould
drown it out, but I don't want to be behind him on the road without my
earplugs, and he'll definatly piss off even the least conservative cagers.

I wonder when he'll notice the "Ride Quiet - Team Stealth" sticker
I slipped on the back of his new X8...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Mariage...what happens???
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:17:31 GMT

In article <22508@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
>  I'm picking up all sorts of Politically
>Incorrect hobbies,

You mean like motorcycling?  :-)

I guess with all this stuff about helmet laws, bike bans, and so forth
nowadays, we motorcyclists no longer feel welcome in the Politically
Correct camp?

What other Politically Incorrect hobbies were you referring to?

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:22:31 GMT

In article <daved.713802198@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>In <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>
>>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
>>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?
>
>It Sure works just fine on my shaft drive ST1100. Maybe your not doing it right?

Hmmm, I've had two people say "It works fine on my bike". The bikes are
both have longitudinal crankshafts (BMW R bike and Honda ST1100); this
must have something to do with cancelling the shaft effect.


-- 
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (213) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Re: Photo Radar
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:04:05 GMT

In article <3965.2A913ABD@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG 
(John Hamilton) writes:
> would the judge have thrown the
> case out, asked Mr. Bob to hand the ticket to me, or what?

Nobody will ever know.  Most highway radars indicate the highest speed in 
its field of view.  If there is more than one vehicle in view, the officer 
has to determine which vehicle is going at that speed.  Some cops are 
careful about how they set up their trap, so it sees only one vehicle at a 
time.  Other cops are not as careful.  When it is your word against that of 
an the officer, guess who a judge tends to believe.  It was definitely a 
lucky day for both of you.  


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard)
Subject: Re: Going into the closet
Organization: Cathode Ray Mission, San Jose
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:33:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.034232.19329@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>>
>A)  The KotL was on vacation.

NOT! But he was outta town...



-Neal
[niall@c3.com]
DoD #0x451
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Lance Holst for President!
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:09:16


He has the primo qualification to be president:  jerkitude.

(Just thought I'd mention that, since nobody's picked on him today...)
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead