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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:15:52 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      back to the garden

I'm not sure if there are any Joni Mitchell fans out here in Allmusicland or
not... I'm hoping a couple of old farts may find this of minimal interest. :)

I picked up _Back to the Garden, A Tribute to Joni Mitchell_ which is a
follow-up to Burce Cockburn's tribute _Kick at the Darkness_.  There are 17 up
and coming Canadian artists but the stand-out interpretations come from Sara
Craig's "This Flight Tonight" (made popular by Scotland's Nazareth), Hugh
Marsh's "River", Spirit of the West's "Coyote" and W.O.W.'s "Woodstock".  Sara
Craig was joined by guitarist Kris Abbot of Pursuit of Happiness and Hugh Marsh
enlists the help of Rheostatic's Martin Tielli on vox.  Spirit of the West's
version of "Coyote" is one of the best things I've heard from them in some
time...  Other bands on this compilation include Universal Honey, Martha and
the Muffins, and Big Faith.

And... Bob Tee... have you picked up Northern Pikes latest, _Neptune_... word
is that it's not bad, but it sounds more like 15 singles than an album.

- Carol
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:39:12 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Digital vs. Tape vs. Vinyl

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:52:48 EST Ken Koester said:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:52:05 EST Michael said:
>>More about digital --
>>
>>Frank Zappa claims that forcing music through a a/d converter filters out
>>all of the emotion, the subliminal feeling deep within music.  He claims
>>it cheapens it.  Howwever, I feel that it is important to note that
>>Zappa stuff still comes out on CD.
>>
>You could just as easily claim that all the painstaking work it takes/took to
>get a good vinyl recording filters out all of the emotion.  As far as I am
>concerned, this is just end of the century Luddism.

You said it, Ken. If Zappa really feels that way, and I think I've read
comments elsewhere to that effect, well... I like his music, and respect his
outspoken stance on many issues, but this is just a muddleheaded, ignorant
kind of viewpoint. It may be true that *current* digital technology is not
quite up to snuff with respect to capturing *some* musical nuances, but to say
that recording musical digitally intrinsically filters out emotion is just
plain stupid. The human ear is much more similar to a digital system than any
analog system, for crying out loud. As someone noted, Zappa certainly doesn't
seem to have a problem with putting his music on CD, so why doesn't he put his
money where his mouth is and refuse to issue CD's, since they are obviously a
contamination of his music.

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:58:56 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Lenny's ?'s and Renaissance Christmas

> >What is your favorite album cover.
> Weather Report - Heavy Weather

     I was reading the "favourite" posts, for a while, and I think
I will put my signature under this one.
             Ilia.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:26:15 EST
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Subject:      Re: That darned "Silent Night"

The same guy who wrote "Rock of Ages," maybe?
(haw haw)
Cheers,
MWM
ps good luck; I haven't heard it, but it sounds tasty from
what you posted
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:14:00 EST
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Subject:      re: album covers

>From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>

>What is the strangest/wildest album cover you've seen.
Probably the second Blue Cheer album _OutsideInside_.  The front
cover would be great for a game of "how many drug references
can you spot?"  I still marvel that my mother bought me that
album when I had it on my Christmas list one year.

One of the most tasteless I've seen is the Feederz _Teachers
In Space_ with a photo of Challenger exploding.

>What is your favorite album cover.
It's a Roger Dean cover, for Ramases _Space Hymns_.  Inside the
shrink wrap you see a painting of a rocketship blasting off.
When you remove the shrink wrapping, the cover folds out to
three normal covers across by two normal covers tall, and you
see that it's really a church steeple that is blasting off.
Alas, the CD version only has the one panel cover.  Ramases
was a guy and his wife who wore Indian costumes and sang
hippie peace and love ditties.  Their backing band for this
album was 10cc.  Their second album was _Glasstop Coffin_.
I don't think either one was ever released in the US.

>What is the srangest/wildest band name.
Mutatis Mutandis.  We billed ourselves as "jazz punk fission".
We were free form of necessity as poetry spouting vocalist had
*no* concept of rhythm or song form.  We did come up with a neat
gimmick to avoid dead air when I switched over from bass to guitar:
for "The Sir of Surrealism", our ode to Salvador Dali, I'd play
a bass riff into my Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay and
hit the infinite button.  Then while the band was jamming to the
bass loop, I'd have plenty of time to switch instruments.  This
also "helped" us be free-form as the exact length of the loop
would vary depending on exactly when I hit the button, so to avoid
complaints from the others that I missed the magic moment at the
last gig, I would play a different riff each time we did the song.

>Favorite band name.......
I confess I am rather partial to Totentanz. 8-)

>How did Pink Floyd come up with their name.
BTW, Elderly Instruments lists a Pink Anderson album in their catalog.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:48:00 EST
From:         WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

Date sent:  14-DEC-1992 15:44:04
>From:  IN%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET"  "Discussions on all forms of Music"  8-DEC-19
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>Subj:  RE: punk rock stuff>
>AMEN! I've been looking on this list for any posts concerning real music, but
>all I see (besides some decent alternative stuff) is people labelling
>Metallica as metal, etc. What the hell is the world coming to? I can't find
>any punk list, so this is it, I guess. My question is, what happened to the
>Dead Kennedy's? Did they get arrested for obscenity or something? Did Jello
>get a new band together?
>        - Gabe

The Dead Kennedy's have been gone for quite some time.  Jello is doing
Alternative Tentacles (a record label).  He's done alot of projects since
the break up though I'm not to sure what he's doing now.  I know he ran for
mayor a while back and did pretty good actually.  They had to go to court
for having a bunch of penis's on one of their records but that all turned
out fine.  I'm not really a big fan of Jello's so I'm sorry I can't help
you more.

Have fun with your goat,
Joe Bob Dixon
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:48:07 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: New Thread

Dave asked for ideas about the lack of female bands and airplay for those
that exist (can you say paraphrase? I knew you could...)

Dave Malbuff said a lot of what I would have said - and he said it better
than I could've. Therefore, I'll just add the one point that he didn't
mention, that I wanted to. Got it?

One reason is that in order to have an "all-girl" band, you need to find
women who play all the instruments you need. Of the traditional rock band
instruments, the only ones that women are encouraged to master from an
early age are voice and piano. In our school systems, little girls are
encouraged to learn the violin, the flute, the clarinet. Very few are
encouraged to learn percussion or sax. Also, since guitar isn't usually
taught in schools, since it isn't "part of the orchestra", kids who want to
learn guitar have to do so on their own. Girls are not encouraged to do
this by society. Piano is often forced on girls at an early age, so many
little girls hate it before they ever have the chance to love it. As for
voice, it's been the subject of multiple studies that women are more
naturally inclined to be "able to sing". Any high school chorus director
knows that! Women are taught very early on that unless you're incredible or
extremely unusual in some way, that female singers are a dime-a-dozen, and
that women singers shouldn't try to make it their career. So I think a lot
of it is societal. But If any of you women out there wanna jam with a
mediocre singer...I'm available...

Marsha the stressmeister...

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:24:31 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mr Big

I've been a little curious about Mr. Big since they formed. Though I'm not
familiar with them as a group, they've certainly got a reputation, on an
individual level, as a talented bunch of players - Billy Sheehan is a top
bass player, Paul Gilbert (formerly of Racer X) is a good guitarist, Eric
Martin has a very good rock voice (don't remember who the drummer is). I
wanted to check them out until they got a big hit with that smarmy power
ballad that I heard even though I rarely listen to commercial radio. That
always turns me off of a band, when they do a formulaic power ballad. Yuck.
(Not dissing all ballads - Extreme's "More Than Words" is a good song, for
example - just the formulaic, histrionically emotional stuff.)

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:14:17 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: female rock bands

All girl bands don't last for many reasons.

one:  no one ever takes them seriously. not even other girls.
two:  too quickly exploited for the "sex pot" factor
three:  bosoms get in the way of playing guitar
four: too catty, too much infighting between members over boys
five: spending tour $$ on new clothes
six:  all they really want to do is get married and have babies


there ya have it.

jc-s
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:56:21 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Peace on earth...

Dear Allmusickers,
        This is gonna be a bit sappy - so bear with me. I've been on this
list for about two months now, since I started law school. They've been a
difficult two months for me, being in a totally new environment and away
from home, insecure about my abilities and all that.
        Since it's holiday time, I just wanted to write and tell you all
how much I've enjoyed reading, posting to and generally being part of this
list. When I come home at the end of the day I know that there'll always be
mail waiting, and that some very funny and intellegent people will have
things to say that I want to read!
        So basically, I want to wish you all a happy
whatever-it-is-that-you- celebrate and thank you all for making my life a
bit better.

Take care! :-)!

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:04:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Album Covers

So Ilia, you just happened to come across the Roger Dean exhibit in
SF one day. Well, I'm envious to say the least. I actually considered
blowing good money on airfares and hotel rooms to see that exhibit.
But then I heard it might be coming to Boston, and as far as I know,
it never did. :(

Press release for you Yes fans out there: New lineup: Jon, Trevor, Chris,
Rick, Tony, and Alan. New album out in the Spring. Nine songs, and one
Close To The Edge class opus. A tour will immediately follow, and the song
list will include some older "Long" songs that haven't been played in awhile.
I'm assuming they mean a cut or two from _Tales From Topographic Oceans_!
Great! This will make the fans happy, and the critics who love to hate
these songs.
Regards,
  Gary
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:57:20 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: President-elect Clinton fails the ALLMUSIC taste test

Kimberly Wasilewski <ST92CPO6%DUVM.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>

>What do you think a 40 or so man would listen to....Bobby Brown or
>Extreme?  Get with it. I don't think he choices were that bad.

I think Ken Koester should handle this one, since he's passed the
40 mark more recently than I.  But just let me say that *my*
over-40 musical taste has often caused my son in college to
yell "Would you turn down that noise!"

Are you so willing to believe that people of certain ages should
like certain music that you'll put in a pre-paid order for the
complete works of Lawrence Welk to be delivered to you on your
50th birthday?  Have *you* stopped listening to new music?

Sorry, but I think the PresElect's choices suck, too.  Of course
anyone who gets to be President has got to be so monomaniacally
interested in politics that he hasn't got that much time to educate
him/herself musically.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:02:48 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      How did Miles know?

My project this week has been making a 'jazz intro' tape for a friend on
the net (elsewhere). Well, naturally it is turning into tapeS, since I'm
a nut, but it has been kinda fun pulling out some stuff to which I haven't
listened in quite a while. One of the things I pulled out was my old Japanese
import CD of Miles's album Working. Boy, this is great, classic stuff. Four,
The Theme, Ahmad's Blues, Trane's Blues, Hale Nelson, and one cut that nearly
made me fall flat on my ass:

Bloomdido!

Gee, didn't know one of ALLMUSIC's own was that famous (or old, heh heh ;-),
this was released in 1956)

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:09:10 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Teddy Bears' Picnic

As I took my shower this morning I started thinking about what I
might play on the tape deck on the way to work.  This is pretty
much a morning routine; Huntsville has such lousy radio stations
that the sales of tapes and car CD players here must be higher
than most other places in the world.  I finally settled on Sir
William Walton's "Crown Imperial March".  I listened to it twice
as I drove and had two good crys.

But that's not what this post is about.  Having decided on the
march, my mind ran on to some of the wonderful bands I had heard
in the UK, and that of course led me to think about a splendid
arrangement of "Teddy Bears' Picnic" one of the bands played on
the BBC (well, it's logical to me).

So I started to sing along, and stopped rather quickly!  "If you
go out in the woods today te dumtitty dum de dum" and it gets
worse from there until "Today's the day the teddy bears have
their piiiiicnic!"

On to the bridge (trio?) "Picnic day for teddy bears" and then
silence.

Who would know better than ALLMUSIC what these lyrics are?  And
so I ask you kind people for help.  Help!
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:08:49 EST
From:         Michael <EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Smiley faces

'Sup with all the smiley faces all of a sudden?  I don't really want to take
the time from my thought to make all of them, so I decided to get them out of
my system here:

:-) :-> :-} :^' ;'( :*I 8-) etc.
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Subject: Re: Incredible String Band
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:09:14 GMT
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I must admit I was really surprised to see a post requesting info about
the Incredible String Band!  Anyway, their 1967 album _The Hangman's
Beautiful Daughter_ was re-released on Hannibal some time back--but I
think it's only available on vinyl.  You may want to inquire about this
to Rykodisc, as they ended up with the Hannibal catalog.  The mail order
arm of the company is called EARFUL, and they do have a catalog they'll
probably send you if you ask for it.  They can be reached at 1-800-2-EARFUL.

As an aside, if you get the chance to hear Mike Herron's post-ISB solo
album _Smiling Men With Bad Reputations_, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
My favorite track on the album is "Warm Heart Pastry", featuring John Cale
on viola, along with supporting musicians 'Tommy and the Bijoux' on guitar,
bass, and drums-- who were in reality Townsend, Entwistle, and Moon of the
Who!  

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:35:25 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Glass and Christmas music (not related!!! Ugh,
              what a thought! )
              12 Dec 1992 21:21:57 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.U CHICAGO.EDU>

On Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:21:57 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>
>OMC - I love Christmas music - singing it, listening to it...What's your
>favorite holiday carol and why? (Feel free to say "The Dreidel Song" if you
>like - but it's got little redeeming musical value...)
>
Extremely difficult choice.  I'd have to go with "Orientis Partibus" (or,
The Song of the Ass) from the medieval Feast of Fools, with a dozen or more
in second place.  I like it because the melody is catchy & the Latin kicks
ass, so to speak (-:

Now, tomorrow it might be "Edi beo thu" or "E la don, don" or "Salutiam
divotamente" or "Nowell Synge We Both Al and Sum" or "In Dulci Jubilo"
(Praetorius version) or "Ay! como flecha" or. . .
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:43:10 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Pink Floyd's name -- Christmas Song's

In RE: LW's query about the origin of Pink Floyd's name, one of the
band members (I think it was Syd Barrett, but I could be wrong) had an
album by the bluesmen Pink Anderson and Floyd Council which was entitled
simply _Pink and Floyd_.  They dropped the "and" and a name was born.

Anderson was alive at the time Pink Floyd formed -- I know, because I booked
him almost ten years later at a coffee house I ran while I was in college.
He was aware that the Pink Floyd was named half after him, but had never
listened to their records.  He had to have been in his 80's at the time,
though like many delta blacks of his generation he didn't know exactly how
old he was.  Since I've been out of college for 15 years, I assume he's passed
on by now -- but one never knows.  I really don't know much of anything about
Floyd Council.

-Scott "Colorblind" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date: 16 Dec 92 17:36:06 GMT
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In article <01GSCODM3OP09EJ8LZ@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>,
WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET says:

>Actually Dicky Mo has nothing to do with my, or your manhood.  Dicky Mo is
>a punk band from around the Chicago area.  I saw the University of Illinois
>at Chicago in your disclaimer and just assumed you went there.

Correctamundo. Problem is,I've never _heard_ of Dicky Mo,as I'm not the Scene
Info God (TM) that you seem to think I am. Hell,I've never even seen a flyer
or poster advertising any of their gigs around town....

>I also
>assumed you might no what's up with them.

That's still supposed to be "know",and no,I don't.

> How's Billingsgate doing?

Who?

Is it my imagination,or are you just into bands from around here that haven't
put anything out yet?

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:05:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: Richard Sinclair gig report (was Re: Progrock/King Crimson)

Well, I missed another significant event. :( My partner in progression
decided to pass due to a workload backed up by the storm.

Regards,
  Gary
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:46:16 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mr. Bungle

Rev. Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU> sez:

>His real moniker was Vlad Dracul Tepis.

Why did I think it was Tsepes?

Sonia talks about music and how it changed the thread of your life.
I remember, oh I remember!  I was a real geek in high school, and it
wasn't until I started listening to rock'n'roll and started liking
rock'n'roll that I realized that maybe I might have a chance to
meet an actual, you know, girl.

Turned out I was wrong.  I was just a geek who liked rock'n'roll.  Do
any of you know any girls?
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