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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rostered 1st Rounders
Date: 12 Sep 1992 16:14:14 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In article <1992Sep10.214214.16100@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>I was wondering how many 1st round draft picks  (of your teams or of
>another organization) starts for your favorite team and how many are
>subs?   I'll start it off with my favorite team...
>

By no means a definitively all-inclusive list, but a decent try:

Dallas Cowboys:

Starters:

QB - Troy Aikman
RB - Emmitt Smith
WR - Michael Irvin
WR - Alvin Harper
DT - Russell Maryland
DT - Tony Casillas
MLB- Robert Jones

Reserves:

DT - Danny Noonan
DB - Kevin Smith

and considering that Noonan started for Maryland on Monday and Smith
has a good chance of starting soon, Dallas does not have very many (if
any) underperforming #1 picks....

*ice*


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From: duffney@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tom Duffney)
Subject: The Play
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:37:22 GMT

At work today we happened to discuss The Play - you know the one that
happened at the end of the game with the numerous laterals cumilating with
the final person with the ball running over the trombone player for the game
winning touchdown.


Anyways, I said that that was John Elway's last game in college but my
coworker said no that was impossible as it happened only about 4 or 5 years
ago.

Could someone email with the exact year that this happened?

Thanks!
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The final score: BILLS 34, 49ers 31
Date: 13 Sep 1992 16:06:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Whatta game!

-Tehkao

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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: New Cowboys
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:02:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: Haley

In <1992Sep8.154158.17855@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes) writes:

>Charles Haley is a GREAT addition............
>What FOOLS gave him up???????????????
>hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[raising hand]

That would be us fools over here.  The SF 49ers.  I gotta admit, I was
not too pleased about losing him, but what the heck.  He *wanted* to
play for Dallas, and the Niners are known for giving their players what
they want (at least, more so than most teams).  Though this struck me as
a trifle excessive.

Fortunately, Tim Harris is quite good, and actually seems to *like*
being a Niner, unlike Haley.  It almost makes up for the loss (assuming
that Harris can stay out of jail...).
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
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From: koski@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Koski )
Subject: Lions News
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:49:50 GMT


	Yesterday, the Lions released Don Overton (backup RB) and signed
Ed Tillison (RB) from their practice squad to replace him.  Tillison
becomes the backup to Barry Sanders.  Also signed was John Derby (LB) to
apparently replace Tillison on the practice squad.  Derby impressed the
team in camp--what I saw of him reminded me of Chris Spielman (excellent
inside against the run, a hard hitter, but a little slow).
	The papers also list William White as doubtful (ankle sprain) for
this week's game at home vs. Minnesota.  Anybody closer to Detroit heard
whether his condition has changed?

Jeff

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From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Subject: Re: QB Rating -- How the NFL Does It
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:23:21 GMT

If you don't want to do that mess, there is a simpler formula that works.

NFL Rating = 100 * (20 * Comp + Yards + 100 * TD - 80 * Int) / (24 * Att) + 50/24

This does not include the idiot NFL cutoffs for great or pathetic performances.  
If a QB has stats like that, you probably should use the long method.
From: mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Darrell Green
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:37:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

What does Darrell Green's season-ending injury (broken arm) do to
the Redskins' chances of making the playoffs?

They'll have problems against Detroit with their 4-WR attack.
Who is going to replace him, and without Plan-B, what are the
'Skins going to do about their secondary?

Mark Blickhan     ----  Go Lions ,  1992 NFC Central Div. Champs!!!
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From: cowboy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Greg Barron)
Subject: NY Giants--Cruel Twist of Fate?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:16:15 GMT


The talking heads on MNF were discussing Bill Belichick
during the Cleveland-Miami game. They suggested that if
Bill Parcells had retired soon after the Super Bowl win
over the Bills, Belichick (sp?) would have been a shoo-in
for the Giants' top spot. However, since Bill #1 waited
around, Bill #2 left for the Cleveland job. And the Ray
Handley era began :-).

So, all you Giant fans.....do you think Bill B. would have
done better with the team than Ray? Do you think Bill B.
would ever dream of "going home again"? 

On another note, isn't it nice to see Bavaro still in the
league (with the Browns)? I'm just happy he's no longer a
Giant.

Peace.


GO COWBOYS(!)....and please don't ever take your foot off
the gas again like last Sunday. Thank you.



##################################################### 
Gregory Alan Barron                Clemson University 
cowboy@hubcap.clemson.edu, cowboy@clemson.clemson.edu
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From: rfedkiw@oak.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re:1992 NFL Predictions
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 22:35:29 GMT

In Article 27988, BRAUN, CHRISTOPHER L writes ...

>These are the way things will likely end up this season as I see it.
>                                                             ^^^ 
>AFC East                       NFC East
>1. Jets                        1. Philadelphia
>2. Miami                       2. Washington
>3. New England                 3. Giants
>4. Buffalo                     4. Dallas
    ^^^^^^^
>5. Indianapolis                5. Phoenix
>
>AFC Central                    NFC Central
>1. Houston                     1. Minnesota
    ^^^^^^^
>2. Cleveland                   2. Chicago
>3. Cincinnati                  3. Detroit
>4. Pittsburgh                  4. Green Bay
    ^^^^^^^^^^
>....

... you need glasses, did you see any games on Sunday?

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Seattle the worst team in the NFL?
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:32:41 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

I read this in a Dayton, OH paper this morning.  "Is Seattle the worst
team in the NFL, or what?"

Awfully cocky considering Cincinnati's 3-13 record last season...  I 
guess they're just feeling their oats after Seattle ran roughshod over
them two years ago on MNF and then beat them again last year in Cincy.

How 'bout those Huskies?

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Isn't it time to change the name 'Redskins'?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 SEP 92 20:16:04 GMT


In a previous article, williamf@umbc4.umbc.edu (TheBigBopper) wrote:
>>Cooke said, "I intend not to do anything about it [changing the name 
>>of the team].  I admire the Redskins name.  I think it stands for bravery, 
>>courage and a stalwart spirit and I see no reason why we shouldn't continue 
>>to use it."
> 
>  Nowadays I try to never use the word 'Redskins' when referring to the
>  Washington football team.  While I am a fan of the team I truly believe
>  that the name is derogatory and unfairly trivializes a group of fellow 
>  American citizens.

In regard to Cooke's comment, most minorities are quick to point out that 
people with backgrounds different than theirs are unqualified to judge how 
offensive or inoffensive something like the name "Redskins" is. 

I think it's a good point that there are more serious and worthwhile concerns
for Native Americans than the name of a football team, but they have a right
to speak out, and this is on a national scale, after all. 

Beyond that, it's a matter of opinion. While I find the name "Redskins" only
somewhat offensive, if I were of native heritage I would be *extremely* 
irritated by the "tomahawk chop" and people wearing headdresses at a baseball
game while shouting out a mock war chant. 
And a word to the Cleveland Indians: GET RID OF THAT DAMNED LOGO.

-				|   "Don't torture yourself, Gomez.
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    That's my job."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- Morticia Addams
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Steelers win at Houston! (ESPN sux)
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:15:33 GMT

Phil Dietz (pdietz@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> >I was worried about Pittsburgh's secondary, but apparently Moon had
> >five or six interceptions. Does anyone know if Woodson played? I didn't
> >get the game here in central Mass., but they did televise that fake punt
> >as a highlight! I will be looking for O'Donnell's stats...

< Stuff Deleted >

> 
> 5 ints is excellent.  The secondary was the reason why Pittsburgh
> beat the Oilers.  
> 

Didn't the Steeler D do this last season against Moon (6 INTS or
something) as well?

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
From: hchiu@acsu.buffalo.edu (hung-chang chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Does no Instant Replay mean no Announcer Review?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:41:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SUNY Buffalo

In article <1992Sep13.221746.18095@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
*
*Young to John Taylor, 54 yd TD reception.  Taylor breaks
*Jones tackle!! Awesome running!  Conversion good!
 
In article <1992Sep15.090150.28431@okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:

*When I saw this touchdown the first thing I thought was, "that
*was no touchdown, he fumbled that ball across the endzone."

*It seems that the networks are avoiding questioning the officials
*now since the death of I-R.  I rewatched this play on video in slo-mo
*from the highlight film on the news, and I am still unconvinced that it
*was a touchdown.  The shadows are almost upright in the picture, and 
*the shadow of the ball is clearly unconnected from Taylors hand as it 
*crosses the white line.  Not that it made a whit of difference to the game,
*Niners still lose.  Nor is it really important whether it really was or 
*not.  But, I would appreciate it if the networks were not deciding whether
*to discuss a questionable call based on the possibility of offending the
*NFL owners who decided to do away with I-R.

*my $.02

*Bryan Cooper,  cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu


In the late night sports show, channel 2 did show this play from another angle.
John Taylor did fumble the ball across the endzone. As you said, it didn't really
matter in this case. But the network should at least show the replay to let the 
viewers know what happened(especially in the TD situation). I don't believe the
time between plays is an issue in this case.

								H.C. Chiu
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Colts cut Herrmann !!
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:42:46 GMT

In article 19280@cbnewsd.cb.att.com, edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.124614.27344@europa.asd.contel.com> brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic) writes:
>>Anyone know why ????
>>
>
>Probably age.  I predicted it on the way home from the game.
>

And that Jack Trudeau, just back from a recent contract dispute, was to be
activated. Somebody had to go. Unfortunately, it was Mark Herrmann.


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From: jt29+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Good win for Steelers
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:21:22 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

(I tried to send this directly to , with no luck, sorry to burdon
non-Pittsburghers with this)

dpm@liberty.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Mikesell) writes:

>- How bad is Green hurt?  Is Ernie Mills still on the team?  I see
>          that he had no catches.  Looks like Graham might flourish now 

The MRI came out o.k., he has something like a bruised shoulder and is
supposed to be back in 3 weeks.  He is very much getting the rep. as
being fragile and not someone who they can depend on.  The rookie tight
end (can't remember his name) has a broken hand and is out for a longer
period.  They're talking about picking up somebody off the waiver wire. 
I think Mills is gone, though not sure.  Graham has looked swell.  Lipps
is still holding out---along w/ Thomas Everatt.

>        - The pass rush had better improve.  Let's start blitzing Lloyd and
>          Jerrol "with a J" Williams.  BTW, did anyone get to listen to 
>          Myron do the radio broadcast?  I'll bet he was fired up!  You
betcha!

I listen religiously to Myron.(with no newspapers in town, ya gotta!) 
He's probably the main reason I even bother to follow the Steelers.  He
is fired up, as is the city.  Myron argues the most excited in 10 years!

>        This win will mean little if they can't beat the Jets Sunday.  It 
>would be nice to see a fired up crowd at Three Rivers, but I won't get
my hopes
>up.  I went to opening day '91 against S.D. and it was like being at an opera.
>They've really gotten soft.  We need a rebirth of the Terrible Towel - what's
>Myron's number???

There current defense is questionable.  Especially as far as the
nonexistent  pass rush-----along with the mucho injuries in the
defensive backfield.
Still, Crafton Bill Cower has these guys fired up more than _I_ ever saw
Noll motivate them.  (I've been here since '85)  Myron's number is
412-333-WTAE.  He's on the radio monday and tues. nights, 6-8.

Where are you located?

>dpm

Yoy and double Yoy,


---john              "Fame is fleeting while, Jim Ross,
J.B. Thomas          INFAMY LASTS FOREVER...."---Cactus Jack      
jt29+@andrew.cmu.edu   
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:30:04 CDT


In article <1992Sep7.030856.19529@icf.hrb.com>, mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
> 
> Herschel runs for 100+ against a very good New Orleans defense. The H-Train
> will rush for 1000 yards this season barring injury of course.-- 

Herschel's 114 yards in his Philly debut is his best performance since his
Vikings debut.

Terry Allen, Herschel's replacement in MN, was 12 carries for 140 yards.

Part of my earlier criticism of Walker was his lack of consistency.  Take
his 26 carries for 114 yards (4.38 ave).  Subtrack his 33 yard run and it's
25 for 81 (3.24 ave).  Terry Allen was 12 for 140 (11.6 ave).  Take out
his two longest runs (of 45 and 51 yards) and he was still 10 for 44 
(4.4 ave). (Not to mention Allen's better receiving stats.)

Keep track for yourself.  You'll see that given ~25 carries, Walker will
evantually break a couple long runs.  The other 20+ will be well below
what an average back would gain.  The problem is that those 20+ carries
will result in lots of 3 & 8's.  Walker is not consistent enough to sustain
long drives or come up with the needed yardage on any given carry.  You'll
see, the Eagles will tire of their sputtering offense (as they wait for
Walker to break one) and Walker will end up on the sidelines complaining
that he is not getting the ball enough.

As a side note, when the season schedule came out, Denny Green noticed 
that the first game was against GB, coached by Denny's friend (?) Holmgren.
Denny called Holmgren to comment on the game and then offered to trade
Walker to him.  Holmgren's response was (paraphrasing) "come on, I remember
how we used to laught at him" (as they watched Walker play).  Denny's
response was "Well, I had to try."

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:42:14 -0400 
From: Thomas Oligino <to0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
	<1992Sep14.042013.2107@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>

> 
>>If anything, this game pointed out in painful detail how much improvement
>>both teams need to even think about the Big Dance.  The Bills might
>>get there with this offense, but the Niners will never survive the
>>more talented NFC contenders.
> 
>Who do they have to survive? So far, the only other NFC team that has
>shined is Dallas. OK, we have to still consider the Redskins, since they
>are the Super Bowl champs, and they have the talent, but for some reason
>are not clicking. After Dallas, Washington, and San Francisco, there is
>a big drop-off (down to the Eagles, probably). If you look at the
>remainder of the 49ers' schedule, you'll only see one team that might
>bother the 49ers defense, and that's Miami (OK, maybe Atlanta).


It amazes me that people keep not counting Philly as one of the best
teams in the league. Cunningham and Walker are playing extremely well
and the defense appears to have lost nothing since last year. Cunningham
was throwing the most accurate deep passes Ive seen this year last night
against the Cardinals and Walker seems to mean buisness.I have to put
them as the favorites in the NFC. The Eagles will crush the Niners in
the playoffs if SF's defense doesn't improve alot. If the Eagles meet
the Bills in the SB it will be another long off season for Buffalo.

Tom O 
P.S. I hate Philly but have watched them tear to many good offenses
apart not to have alot of respect for the team. 
 

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: A VIKING WOOFER!!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:51:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.204447.26065@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:
>heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>>In article <20222@plains.NoDak.edu>, herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid) writes...
>
>>>            MINNESOTA VIKINGS ARE A MAJOR THREAT!
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>Ya, the Lions are shaking in their boots after the Vikings had to go 
>>into OT to beat a team that was 4-12 last year.
>
>>JGH
>Mr. Heim, I would like to say that I (and a lot of people I know) cringe
>at the thought of anyone woofing about the Vikes.  Dennis Green has no  
>problem with the woofing though.  He wants people to be excited about the
>team.  He wants us to have high expectations.  He wants to fill the
>Metrodome with paying customers.  He must have attendance incentive clauses
>in his contract.  
>I'm glad the Vikes beat the Packers - they had to beat the Packers - but
>I saw nothing in the game to justify woofing.  In fact, I don't know if I
>can ever woof for the Vikes - I've been a fan for too long.  Call it the
>low-team-esteam syndrome.  Ah, to be young (and naive) and woofing for the
>Vikes out on the plains of North Dakota.  Having said that Mr. Heim, I will
>add: your statement that the Vikings beat a 4-12 team is an understatement.
>The Vikings did not merely beat a team that was 4-12 last season.  The 
>Vikings beat the Packers...the Packers!  The Vikes are half of the way to
>prevailing in one of the greatest annual battles between NFL rivals.
>
>John Ganske      -------------------------
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>Roseville, Minnesota                  jag@unirsvl.rsvl.unisys.com
>                                                     612 635-7545  
>----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>

I gather by your reference to "woofing", that it is engaged by
the younger folks out there.  Likewise, it is also a person's
preference to engage in "woofing", regardless of their age.
I am a young 45 years old and I do my share of "woofing" and the
arm rotations that are "necessary" when woofing.  It is never too late 
to start woofing Mr. Ganske, try it, you might like it. :-)
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain