HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amsat
Subject: AMSAT OPERATIONS NET SCHEDS
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:10:49 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 002.01 FROM AMSAT HQ
SILVER SPRING, MD JANUARY 2, 1993     BID: $ANS-002.02
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

AMSAT-NA Operations Net Schedule

AMSAT Operations Nets are planned for the following times.  Mode B Nets
are conducted on AO-13 on a downlink frequency of 145.950 MHz and the Mode
J/L Nets on a downlink of 435.970 MHz.

 Date           UTC    Mode     Phs       NCS     Alt

 11-Jan-93       0400   B        21      W9ODI   N7NQM
 16-Jan-93       2200   B        36      W5IU    WA5ZIB

Any stations with information on current events are especially welcomed
to join the AO-13 Operations Net.  In the unlikely event that either the
Net Control Station (NCS) or the alternate do not call on frequency, any
participant is invited to act as the NCS.

Slow Scan Television on AO-13

SSTV sessions will be held on Saturdays and Sundays (UTC) at Mean Anomaly
count 50.  The downlink is on Mode B only at 145.960 MHz.  OPSNETS will
take priority so look for SSTV activity immediately after they conclude.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amsat
Subject: Orbital Elements  009.MISC
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:48:02 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR MANNED AND MISCELLANEOUS SATELLITES
FROM N3FKV  HEWITT, TX   January 9, 1993  BID:$ORBS-009.M
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

GMST (1993) = 0.2768545
FAIR WINDS AND FOLLOWING SEAS IN 1993

Satellite: MIR
Catalog number: 16609
Epoch time:      93007.95444855
Element set:     805
Inclination:       51.6216 deg
RA of node:       303.9505 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0001555
Arg of perigee:   198.3072 deg
Mean anomaly:     161.7660 deg
Mean motion:   15.57728269 rev/day
Decay rate:     1.3698e-04 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           39414
Checksum:              324

Satellite: HUBBLE
Catalog number: 20580
Epoch time:      93007.59702766
Element set:       4
Inclination:       28.4699 deg
RA of node:        18.8484 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0004923
Arg of perigee:   157.9864 deg
Mean anomaly:     202.0908 deg
Mean motion:   14.92214984 rev/day
Decay rate:      1.706e-05 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:           14750
Checksum:              313

Satellite: GRO
Catalog number: 21225
Epoch time:      93007.40444554
Element set:     783
Inclination:       28.4650 deg
RA of node:        24.2634 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0004544
Arg of perigee:   100.0150 deg
Mean anomaly:     260.0976 deg
Mean motion:   15.66299243 rev/day
Decay rate:     2.7164e-04 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            9994
Checksum:              284

Satellite: SARA
Catalog number: 21578
Epoch time:      93007.26267271
Element set:     397
Inclination:       98.4935 deg
RA of node:        86.5770 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0005785
Arg of perigee:    67.8926 deg
Mean anomaly:     292.2859 deg
Mean motion:   14.38169619 rev/day
Decay rate:       9.71e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            7759
Checksum:              367

Satellite: UARS
Catalog number: 21701
Epoch time:      92347.46089448
Element set:     233
Inclination:       56.9859 deg
RA of node:       209.9343 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0004469
Arg of perigee:   101.6617 deg
Mean anomaly:     258.4927 deg
Mean motion:   14.96649416 rev/day
Decay rate:      2.879e-05 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            6834
Checksum:              346

Satellite: FREJA
Catalog number: 22161
Epoch time:      92365.58631514
Element set:      97
Inclination:       63.0059 deg
RA of node:       201.9500 deg
Eccentricity:    0.0769497
Arg of perigee:   267.8411 deg
Mean anomaly:      83.4390 deg
Mean motion:   13.21543263 rev/day
Decay rate:       2.84e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev:            1127
Checksum:              288

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: aus.auug,aus.general
Subject: Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO and First Call for Exhibitors
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com
Followup-To: aus.auug

Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

What it is....

The 2nd annual gathering of the world-wide NeXT community!
	An international Developers Conference!
		An educational Users Conference!
			A NeXTSTEP product exposition!
				A global User Group Meeting!

Call 1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call
(508)470-3880 or fax to (508)470-0526 for registration information.

When it is...      
   
   MAY 25-27, 1993,
       

Where it is...

   THE MOSCONE CENTER,
   SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA
            

What to do....

Pass the word.  Tell your colleagues, fellow user group members,
other computer industry user group members, fellow NeXTSTEP
developers, potential developers, and friends, to schedule this date,
and stay tuned for more information!!  Please post this message to
local and community electronic bulletin boards and feel free to
publish in your user group or company newsletters.

If you wish to receive future electronic updates regarding the 1993
NeXTWORLD Expo, please send email to the following address:

	user_groups@next.com

Once again, call to get on the postal mailing list for advanced
registration and more information about the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo....

1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call 508-470-3880
-or- fax (508)470-0526.



_____________________________________________________________________
CALL FOR EXHIBITORS AT 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

Join us from May 25-27 at Moscone Center in San Francisco for the
second annual gathering of the worldwide NeXT community, and
International Developers conference, an educational Users conference,
a NeXTSTEP product exposition, and a global User Group meeting!

NeXTWORLD Expo is being co-sponsored by NeXTWORLD Magazine and
Digital Consulting, Inc. (DCI).  DCI is handling all show management
and logistics for this year's Expo.

Exhibitors please contact Matthew Schmuck or Charlie Hurth at DCI
West--
        408 280 6778 voice
        408 280 6779 fax

Exhibitor kits will be available December 28.  Space will be assigned
on a first-come, first-serve basis. (Past NeXTWORLD Expo exhibitors
will be given priority consideration for space selection through
January 10).

Expo and Conference Attendees:

To participate in the User Conference, Developer Conference, or to  
attend the Expo, call 1-800-767-2336.  International callers can fax  
inquiries to DCI at 508-470-0526. Please label all correspondence:

        Attention: NeXTWORLD Expo

and include your name, address, business name, FAX and phone numbers.


Thank you,
Conrad Geiger
Manager, International NeXT User Groups




Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: pcassidy@world.std.com (Peter F Cassidy)
Subject: Trees On Farms?
Summary: Any TOFers out there?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:52:36 GMT

Friends,

-	I am an American writer who spent a year in Australia, some of that time spent working for an outfit called Trees On Farms, a collection of radical, militant, messianic anti-erosionists who planted gums and assorted baby treelets in the paddocks of farmers that wanted something to grip the topsoil.

-	I was just wondering if there were any TOFers out there? And, if so, where are things now? How is the nursery doing in Orange?




-	Cheers,



Peter Cassidy













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From: ianp@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
Date: 13 Jan 93 12:08 EST
Subject: Re: Community Vegie Garden - info requi
Nf-ID: #R:726901942.AA03019@csource.oz.au:1007685009:peg:992300134:000:193
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ianp    Jan 13 12:08:00 1993


re Permaculure - try email to perminst@peg.pegasus.oz.au
(Permaculture Institute) or pcjournal@peg.pegasus.oz.au
(Permaculture Journal) for more references on available
publications or advice.

Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rob Logie)
Subject: Re: Community Vegie Garden - info required
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:23:24 GMT

Ken.Hayes@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Ken Hayes) writes:

>Would anyone who has experience in starting up a local comm veg garden please
>leave any ideas, difficulties, suggestions etc here pliz. We're trying to start
>one up in Footscray, Melbourne, Victoria. My address is 32 Pilgrim St,
>Footscray Victoria Australia 3011. Also, has anyone any Permaculture contacts,


There is a two hour video available on Permaculture.  It is the combination of
the series that was shown on the ABC last year (I think).  Try the ABC shop.  I
saw it advertised in a video catalogue.  

For books, look for the one by Bill Molsen (I think my spelling is incorrect),
the man who invented Permaculture.  (He did the video above as well).


>book titles etc. Menny thanx.  Ken Hayes - Co-ordinator of the community
>group.

> * Origin: City Limits -Education,Australia 6 Lines (3:633/369)


Good Luck



-- 
Rob Logie                         | The opions expressed are mine alone and in
Telecom Australia ACN 051 775 556 | no-way reflect the views or policies of the
TNE Computer Support Services     | Australian and Overseas Telecommunications
EMAIL: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au| Corporation. "These are my opinions alone"
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
From: bgg@pta.pyramid.com.au (Ben Golding)
Subject: Bush regeneration
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:10:50 GMT

Is anyone else doing any bush regeneration work out there?  This summer
the honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica) has started going crazy where I've
been working and has made its way into the canopy where it's now
spreading rapidly.

I'm at a loss about how to tackle this weed.  None of the books I have
talk about honeysuckle and people I've talked to say that poison
(glyphosate) doesn't move past the nodes and hence isn't very effective
unless you can spray.  There is still significant native growth
surviving under the vines so spraying isn't an option.

If anyone has any suggestions I'd really like to hear about them,
particularly if it saves me manually digging up the blasted stuff.

	Ben.
From: Ken.Hayes@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Ken Hayes)
Newsgroups: aus.conserve
Subject: Community Vegie Garden - info required
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:21:40

Would anyone who has experience in starting up a local comm veg garden please
leave any ideas, difficulties, suggestions etc here pliz. We're trying to start
one up in Footscray, Melbourne, Victoria. My address is 32 Pilgrim St,
Footscray Victoria Australia 3011. Also, has anyone any Permaculture contacts,
book titles etc. Menny thanx.  Ken Hayes - Co-ordinator of the community
group.

 * Origin: City Limits -Education,Australia 6 Lines (3:633/369)
From: thomas@aic.co.jp (Thomas Johannsen)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: November IETF: On-line Minutes ?
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:59:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au

Steve, what happened to the osi-ds minutes?

Thomas

---- begin forwarded message ----


From: mdavies@cnri.reston.va.us

Below is a list of Minutes from the November IETF which are available
from the ftp remote directories:

==========

November IETF Minutes *
---------------------

[...]
appleip-minutes-92nov.txt	nntp-minutes-92nov.txt
atm-minutes-92nov.txt		opstat-minutes-92nov.txt
avt-minutes-92nov.txt		orad-minutes-92nov.txt
bgp-minutes-92nov.txt		ospf-minutes-92nov.txt
bgpdepl-minutes-92nov.txt	pem-minutes-92nov.txt
[...]

----  end forwarded message ----


**********************************************

          Merry          *
          Christmas     ***
                       *****    *
          and         *******  ***
                         *    ******
          a Happy           *********
          New Year!             *

**********************************************

         Thomas Johannsen, AIC, JP
             (thomas@aic.co.jp)

**********************************************
From: pays@faugeres.inria.fr
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Re: Comments from C Huitema ...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:16:59 +1030
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au

> From: Doug Rosenthal <rosenthl@mcc.com>

>    >
>    > The directory users will thus have the choice to search either for
>    > the "official" information with the responsibilty of the operator,
>    > or to select the "open" information such as provided by
>    > the users
>    >
>    > ...
>
>
> Do users really want to have to decide which one to look at?  Do you
> want them to have to know about the existence of both?  Other
> distributed systems use the concept of authoritative/non-authoritative
> information, but the end users aren't required to make an explicit
> choice.
>
>

There are 2 aspects

1. I don't see any feature of X.500 that would enable, according
to the requestor identity, to select automaticaly and transparently
either the authoritative ot the non-authoritative information
  [[that could be an improvement of X.500 to allow for attributes
	to have different tagged values, some being tagged as
	being authoritative and other non-authoritative.
	But this is a different story :-( ]]


2. I think it is useful to have the possibility to explicitely select
which one is needed for a specific application
  . applications (eg. payroll or other) will allways use the authoritative
	subtree. The only one for which some administration/operator
	would bring the responsiblity for the contained information
  . interactive-users may select explicitely what they want
  . the subtree official manager will (as explained in my 1rst posting)
	periodically run an application which would after any desirable
	control update the authoritative subtree using the
	non-authoritative one (at disposal of the end-users for
	modifying their own non-protected data such as fax-number
	email aso)



By now, my only solution is to clearly use different and explicit
RDN for the relative root of the 2 subtrees, so that
   giving a complete DN one or the other would be obtained
   using a search, both could be given back
	BUT with a returned DN showing clearly that
	  . one is the "authoritative" answer
	  . the other is the "non-authoritative" answer

eg.

something like

   <C=FR; O=INRIA; OU=DMI; CN="Paul-Andre PAYS">
and
   <C=FR; O=INRIA; <OU=DMI-Non-Authoritative>; CN="Paul-Andre PAYS">

or better (probabaly) usage of a multi-attribute RDN

such as
	<C=FR; O=INRIA; <OU=DMI; Status=Authoritative>; ....
	<C=FR; O=INRIA; <OU=DMI; Status=Non-Authoritative>; ...

regards,

-- PAP
From: Christian.Huitema@sophia.inria.fr (Christian Huitema)
Newsgroups: aus.net.directory.osi-ds
Subject: Untitled
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:24:35 +1030
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au

>  I must agree with you. Unless ASN.1 has undergone a big change in this
>  regard (which is possible I suppose) you are not allowed to just ignore
>  tagged types that don't match. People have no doubt spent a great deal of
>  effort (coding and testing) trying to get ASN.1 parsers to pick up
>  all these types of problems and correctly report a decoding problem.

Humm. I believe we have a different reading of ASN.1 + of the "be
tolerant with what you receive" pragma. The decoding routine generated
by the MAVROS compiler incorporate the following features:

* Verify the presence of all Mandatory elements in SET or SEQUENCE, and
  report an error if one such element is missing.

* Verify the syntax of all Mandatory and Optional elements which happen
  to be present.

* Complain if a SET includes two occurences of a tagged element, or if
  a SEQUENCE contains unexpected elements before the last mandatory
  element has been decoded.

* IGNORE, and skip over, unexpected tagged elements within sets or at
  the end of sequences.

This was programmed before the "extensibility" rules were defined. I
presume that in order to comply with this new rules, we should somehow
pass to the application the unexpected elements, instead of merely
ignoring them.

The rationale is simple: unexpected elements "don't hurt" as long as
all mandatory elements are present -- the message still "makes sense".
As a consequence, the 88 DUAs generated with the MAVROS compiler, e.g.
SNI's "DIR-X" or E3X "Pizarro", will gracefully support the 1992
extensions to X.500.

Christian Huitema
From: iyer@juju.wpd.sgi.com (Mahadevan Iyer)
Subject: Graduate Study in Transportation Engineering
Keywords: Graduate Study
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:29:10 GMT

Hi everyone,
		Happy New Year. 
I am trying to find some info on Universities and Professors who work in
the field of transportation engineering. If you do know of a convenient source
(an ftp site, a newsgroup etc) please let me know.

Thank you

Newsgroups: aus.aviation
From: geoff@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (Geoff Russell)
Subject: Re: Dehydration
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:25:01 GMT

In article <511500009@peg.pegasus.oz.au> sbrook@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:

>Can anyone explain to me why the airconditioning in passenger planes is
>so dry. I'm sick of getting dehydrated!!!

>Sapoty Brook

The advice I have heard is to consume plenty of non-alcoholic, non-aerated
liquids (ie water/fruit juice). Boring, yes, but if dehydration really
affects you, that's the way to go. 

Geoff Russell
University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: haines@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Andrew Haines, Civil, 1/113)
Subject: Re: The great vegie debate (Beans means .....
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:48:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.093315.8260@brt.deakin.edu.au> trathenac@brt.deakin.edu.au writes:
>I've been following the vegie debate with amusement.

Me too (it's obviously not a debate critical to our world views :).

>I'm not vegetarian myself but I do think that the vegies have it based
>on the economic and environmental arguments presented.

I'd agree that such arguments bring a good case for REDUCED meat 
consumption.  As someone else posted, it seems clear there is a lot of land 
much better suited for pasture than the plow.  But the absurd/atrocious/
(pejorative of your choice) situation of feeding grain to cattle can hardly 
be efficient food wise.

>Here's some more food for thought:
>
>If we didn't have all those cows farting away and destroying the ozone
>layer I'm sure we would be much better off.

Technical quibble: cows fart methane, which is a greenhouse gas ie increases 
global warming.  My understanding is that methane does not destroy ozone.
In any case - I'm afraid rice paddies generate a fair bit of methane too!

>Perhaps someone has data on the relative farting capacity of vegetarians
>versus meat-eaters?

Well, from personal experience, pork has somewhat unfortunate side effects 
in that direction - but nowhere near as much as beans!  My wife threatens 
divorce if I even look at a tin of baked beans.  How do you vegeterians out 
there get on - aren't beans supposed to be a good protein source and 
therefore figure largely in your diet?

I've always figured Pythagoras (you know - Theorem of, Greek, B.C.) must 
have had a powerful experience of this kind ever since I read that he 
founded his own religion.  Apparently its two major tenets were: 
Reincarnation, and the SINFULNESS of eating BEANS!


Andrew Haines                       \ "You're all individuals!"
Computer Systems Officer              \ "WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS!"
Monash University, Melbourne, Australia \ "I'm not!" Monty Python:Life of Brian
Xref: sparky aus.general:2605 aus.aarnet:1357
From: jeff@DIALix.oz.au (Jeff Johnson)
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: INFO: Australian Public Network Access
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:29:53 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
Keywords: internet,usenet,access,public
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1

In <1ioupqINN1ju@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
writes:

>                   Australian Public Network Access
>                   --------------------------------

>This is my compilation of information on public networking in
>Australia. It contains information on the various organisations
>providing network access, how to get an account with network access,
>and how to attach your own machine to the network.

        DIALix offers a public network currently running with hosts in Perth
and Sydney with other locations to follow (watch this space:-).

        Internet access is available to users that meet the relevant AARNet
guidelines.

        Email me for further details.

JJ

Jeff Johnson (jeff@DIALix.oz.au)                               DIALix Services
Modem (09) 244-3233 Perth   (02)948-6918 Sydney                Box 371
Phone (09) 244-2433 voice (All Hours)                          South Perth 6151
"Happiness is getting to the end of the day before it does."
From: ianst@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (Ian Staples)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Ethics?????????????????
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:00:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.232945.15610@philips.oz.au> dave@philips.oz.au (David Torr) writes:
>
[Stuff deleted - mostly mine!]
>
>And how many plants were killed so that your t-bone could be produced -

Animals don't _necessarily_ kill the plants they graze, they just maim them :)

>it is _much_ more efficient for humans to eat plants than for animals to
>eat the plants and then for us to eat the plants!  [animals?]
                                           ^^^^^^
In a sense this is true.  But if you are talking about the need to produce
the maximum amount of food for humans - which we will all-too-soon need
given present population growth world wide - then the use of ruminants
to convert low quality herbage into something we can eat is a *very*
efficient way to use the world's rangelands where the climate is too
severe and/or the soils are too poor for reliable crop production.

-- 
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c/- P.O. Box 1054,                | Fax      : +61 (0)70 923 593
MAREEBA  Queensland  4880         | Voice    : +61 (0)70 921 555
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: khchung@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr KH Chung)
Subject: Re: Australian Products ?
Summary: Also, owned by yanks
Keywords: australia product unique
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:58:35 GMT

In article <C0IL50.79q@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
> 
> 	Drizabone Coats.<--- owned by the yanks, I think.
> 
> trick questions: Which of these are owned by the poms. 
> 		 Which are made in taiwan.
> 
> 	-George
Also Speedo, now owned by the yanks.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Ethics?????????????????
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:45:44 GMT

wadley@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gregory Robert Wadley) writes:

>andrew@teslab.lab.oz.au (Andrew Phillips) writes:

>>are natural-born tree-climbers".  Just as in eating only fruit,
>>returning to the trees would solve some problems, such as lower back
>>pain, but there would also be some disadvantages.
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Like what?

Nowhere to park.
Newsgroups: aus.general