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From: mtj@adam.unbsj.ca (Mike Jory)
Subject: Re: Experience, Experience, Experience !!!!!
Organization: University of New Brunswick, Saint John
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:21:04 GMT

>> says <DGILBERT.93Jan24155516@jaywon.pci.on.ca> Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:55:16 GMT

>        We teach one course in `C', and one course in COBOL.  In neither
>is the language actually taught... students should emphirically `know'
>them.  We often use DOS, we occaisonally use UN*X ... but they're not
>`taught' --- just used.  No OS/2, No Windows, No X-Windows... etc. on
>down the line.  People need this to be useful.
 
No, that is not the problem. The problem is you don't know how to learn.
The languages 'C' and COBOL are taught in a very practical manner - through
large coding assignments. As a point of reference for others the course
with 'C' in it covers to double pointers.

How do I know? I am the T.A. that taught the COBOL course 9 times and the 'C'
course 3 times. I am one of the people here at Guelph that has their code
incorporated into BSD Unix. I know what _I'm_ talking about. I was your T.A.

You want useful people? Tell them to stop dreaming about being an "analyst"
without learning to code. Time to stop blaming others and take a good
look at yourself - and do something about it.

-Rodney Ruddock
University of Guelph
rodney@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca

[posted with the permission of and via: ]

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Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: employers fax numbers
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Distribution: ont
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:33:22 GMT

"richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com> writes:
>Hi Jim
>
>JM>unsolicited snail mail resumes end up in the garbage.
>
>JM>unsolicited email resumes go to /dev/null (NUL: for DOS weenies)
>
>JM>unsolicited fax resumes end up in the garbage, and eat up valuable fax paper,
>JM>and basically relegate to sender to the levels of junk fax'ers.

I agree with this...

>
>JM>please don't do this.
>
>JM>i get enough junk fax as it is.
>

Ditto.

>
>I understand very well what you are saying, but to make myself TOTALLY CLEAR,
>I would like to repeat something I said earlier.
>
>Re: Guidelines I am following to compile list>
>
>(1) Companies must be Mid to Large
>
>(2) ALL FAX NUMBERS MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE COMPANIES HUMAN RESOURCES OR
>    PERSONNEL DEPARTMENTS.
>
>The intention here is to attempt NOT TO ANNOY ANYONE.  Or to avoid annoying
>most.  I hope this can be achieved.
>

Ahh, and you are going to make this list publically available, and I suppose
you think that everyone gets a copy of this list will use it only to send out
resumes to companies that want them. Well, you are wrong there, within a day
of releasing your list, any company that is on it will be flooded with a ton
of annoying fax junk mail, as if they aren't already. Because lots of
"entrepeneurs" will pick up this list and fax these nice companies
advertisements for computer cleaning kits, hardware, repair, plastic dishware,
cutlery, and everything else you could imagine.


>Under the premise that most MID to LARGE COMPANIES with human resources
>departments have these department with ONE of their role to actively seek
>"HUMAN RESOURCES", and that they do not mind "QUALIFIED" applicants sending
>their resumes via fax to them.

I would guess that maybe half would be happy with the unsolicited junk fax, at
first, (until they got sick of them, since you would be starting a monster),
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kindly.  

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Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: dave@revcan.rct.ca (David Blackwood)
Subject: Re: employers fax numbers
Organization: Revenue Canada, Taxation; Office Communications Division
Distribution: ont
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:52:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.4120.989@dosgate> "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com> writes:
>Re: Guidelines I am following to compile list>
>
>(1) Companies must be Mid to Large
>
>(2) ALL FAX NUMBERS MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE COMPANIES HUMAN RESOURCES OR
>    PERSONNEL DEPARTMENTS.
>
>The intention here is to attempt NOT TO ANNOY ANYONE.  Or to avoid annoying
>most.  I hope this can be achieved.
>
>Under the premise that most MID to LARGE COMPANIES with human resources
>departments have these department with ONE of their role to actively seek
>"HUMAN RESOURCES", and that they do not mind "QUALIFIED" applicants sending
>their resumes via fax to them.
>
>Assuming that all submissions were obtained in a manner related to "JOB SEEKING"
>then I would expect that under these guideline these qualified companies
>wouldn't mind receiving a fax resume.
>
>TRUST ME THIS LIST IS GOING TO BE AS "PICKY AS POSSIBLE"
>
>Job hunting is not only confined to applying to a job advertisment, but also
>to apply for potential future position coming available.
>
>Basically what I'm saying is that the list will contain FAX NUMBERS, of companie
>who use their "HUMAN RESOURCES/PERSONEL DEPARTMENT" to receive resumes.  (among
>things.)
>
>Regard
>
>Richard
>
>---
>  OLX 2.1 TD  Searching.................
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Most companies still use real fax machines with the curly, darkens with
age paper.  The presentation of your resume is still a significant
factor, contents is not everything.  A curled up resume that arrives on
my desk unsolicited is unlikely to go very far.  I know that I've had to
pay to receive your resume, that you've sent it overnight or used my
1-800 fax number to send it and that you've probably used some sort of
fax technology to broadcast it to every employer in the country.  Your
first impression is unlikely to leave me predispossed to give you a
second chance.  By the way, unless you are a personnel specialist, the
"human resources manager" doesn't have any jobs to offer, and I don't
much trust his ability to spot good technical people on the basis of a
rolled up resume that was sitting in his in basket when he arrived this
morning.
-- 
D. J. Blackwood			Room 1139, 400 Cumberland Street
Systems Integration Manager	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1A 0L8
Office Communications Division	voice: +1 613 957 9305, fax: +1 613 952 1095
Revenue Canada, Taxation	email: uunet.ca!revcan!dave, dave@revcan.rct.ca
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: CONTRACT POSITION AVAILABLE
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:50:54 GMT

CONTRACT POSTION AVAILABLE
Position:  Programmer Analyst - UNIX environment
Location:  Downtown Toronto, Ontario.
Remuneration : $35.00 to $45.00 per hour to start depending on actual
               working experience.
 
Duration: Three to four months with probable renewal. 
          N.B. if no renewal other opportunities will more than likely be
          immediately available.
 
Position Outline: This is an excellent commercial development opportunity.
                  The position is working in the very heart of Canada's 
                  finanicial community. This is opportunity to modify and
                  maintain existing UNIX LAN applications software as well
                  as to develope new amd innovate applications later on. The
                  applications are investment and real-time related.
 
Base Qualifications: The successful candidate must have at least two to 
                     four full years of commercial development experience
                     working in a UNIX environment using C or C++. Hands-on
                     development experience with TCP/IP. A good working
                     knowledge of UUCP (g-protocol) would be considered an 
                     asset. Exposure to various C compilers is helpful.
                     
Other Qualifications: Other background experience using X-WINDOWS in fully 
                      commercial applications development would be considered
                      a definite asset for future opportunities.
 
 
The above information is not to be construed as a job offer. This is only a
request for information.
 
NOTE: ALL given Working References Will Be Vigorously Checked.
Send WORKING RESUMES AND REFERENCES (4 OR LESS pure ASCII pages) to me;
 
 
                   silver.e@zooid.guild.org
 
 
Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: CONTRACT POSITION AVAILABLE
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:48:49 GMT

CONTRACT POSITION AVAILABLE
Position:  Systems Analyst as well as some programming in a Governmental
           Department.
Location:  Downtown Toronto, Ontario.
Remuneration : $68,000 to $84,000 per annum to start depending on actual 
               working experience.
Duration: One year with probable renewal.
 
Position Outline: This is an opportunity to develope new applications for
                  a government department, including a linked taxation 
                  system that is co-ordinated with another governmental 
                  department.
 
Base Qualifications: The successful candidate must have well honed project
                     leader skills along with a solid technical backgroud 
                     in development of commercial systems. The candidate
                     should be well versed in innovative design and analysis
                     techniques in DB2 and COBOL applications development.
                     This opportunity requires a solid knowledge of batch 
                     programs, on-line query, and IMS DB/DC design and 
                     analysis. A good working knowledge of TELON is an a
                     requirement. Prospective candidates should have at 
                     least four or five FULL years of commercial applications
                     development in their background. Candidates must work in 
                     well in team environments.
 
Other Qualifications: The successful candidate must be motivated, and 
                      consistant in focusing on the task at hand. He/She 
                      should be able to quickly identify and resolve 
                      potential problems before they occur. The candidate
                      should possess very good planning skills as well as 
                      good oral and written communications skills.
 
 
The above information is not to be construed as a job offer. This is only a
request for information.
 
NOTE: ALL given Working References Will Be Vigorously Checked.
Send WORKING RESUMES AND REFERENCES (4 OR LESS pure ASCII pages) to me;
 
 
                   silver.e@zooid.guild.org
 
 
Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
 
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Experience, Experience, Experience !!!!!
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:08:44 GMT

yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie) writes:
>        Why is it that every single computer job that I see posted demands
>2-5 years of experience.  Aren't there any companies out there who are 
>looking for junior programmers anymore? [...]

I believe this is because of the glut of programmers on the market right now
- employers take the approach that they can have thier pick of whoever they
want, so why not take somebody with more experience.

>How is a person suppose to get
>any experience if he can't get a job to begin with.

Well, it's too late for you, but for me, and a lot of the junior programmers
at this company, the solution was to go to a university that had a co-op
program.  I went to work full time at the company where I had my last work
terms, so did many of the co-ops who worked here.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@compass.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"I don't have time to think it through: I've got to get this code written!"
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: adam@epas.utoronto.ca (Adam Iles)
Subject: Re: Distributors need
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: Ont
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:58:39 GMT
Keywords: Eh?

In article <1993Jan22.175927.16486@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> henan@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Nan He) writes:
>   long distance call each month, as long as they use this service. You
>   need to pay a small fee for the membership, no other investment is needed.
	    ???????????????

>   extra income at no risk. For more information, please email to:
		    ????????

Eh???????

If people do not make any money do you refund the "small fee"?  I
always wondered how stupid the people knocking on my door during Star
Trek TNG/DS9 were.  I guess that we are in for a general drop in their
intelligence!
-- 
Adam Iles
EPAS Computing, University of Toronto
adam@epas.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: reynold@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Dan Reynolds)
Subject: 386 motherboard forsale
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:45:27 GMT


For Sale :    386-20 Motherboard with 2MB ram
              expandable to 8MB ram

            
   I have used this motherboard without problems for 2 years and felt it was
time to upgrade to a 486. $250 (plus delivery outside of London area). I am
willing to deliver it for free to anyone in the London area. 

   
Dan Reynolds

reynold@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: bsd@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Brian de Alwis)
Subject: Prices for Adaptec 1542B !?
Reply-To: bsd@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Brian de Alwis)
Organization: I P Sharp Associates, Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:01:33 GMT

This is ridiculous! I've phoned several places inquiring their prices on
an Adaptec SCSI adapter (the AHA1542B), and have been quoted prices over
$500! Isn't there ANYWHERE in Ontario (or better yet, in TO) which actually
has reasonable prices?

I'd appreciate any pointers!

Thanks.
-- 
Brian de Alwis -- bsd@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.com
             bsdealwi@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
From: rick@thinker.thinker.com (Rick Yazwinski)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: Dado blade for sale
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:39:16 EST
Distribution: ont
Organization: Thinker Toys, High Tech. Consultants

I'm reposting this because I had a person call, but the phone number I 
have isn't correct.

Slightly used dado blade for sale.  Wobble type.  5/8" arbor.  Cut less
than 10 bd ft. of cherry.  Best offer.

Reply here, or call Rick @ 461-9877.

        Rick...


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Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: browe@alias.com (Brian Rowe)
Subject: Amiga A2500 & A3000 and peripherals and software.
Organization: Alias Research Inc., Toronto ON Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:19:24 GMT

This is posted for a friend.  Please send mail to:

>>>>>>>>  tdesjar@bmo.com <<<<<<<<<

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Amiga's for sale:

A2500 	- A2620 with 2Mb's of RAM
		- A2091 with 2Mb's of RAM and 210Mb Hard Disk
		- Flicker Fixer
		- One floppy drive
		- NEC Multisync II+
$2000.00 or best offer.

A3000	- 2Mb's of Video RAM
		- 8Mb's of Fast RAM
		- 50Mb and 210Mb Hard Disks
		- One floppy drive
$3300.00 or best offer.

Also for sale:

Supra 2400 modem - $40.00
NEC P6 - 24 pin printer - $250.00
A2090a - Hard Disk Controller broken SCSI - $10.00
NEC Multisync 3FGx - $720.00 - Special price if bundled with A3000
GVP's DSS - $75.00

Lots of software Aztec C, Lattice C, Comeau C++  MaxiPlan, Superplan,
Wordperfect, ...

( all with manuals - one set, first come first served ).

Others include: Maple V, CrossDos, Quaterback and Quarterback tools,
F/A-18 Interceptor, Barbarian, Instant Music, SDI, SimCity, Gauntlet II,
A10 Tank Killer.

Magazines,  manuals ( RKM's DOS ).

You arange pickup, since I have no car.

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--
"It's better to regret something you _have_ done than something that you
_haven't_ done" --- ButtHole Surfers
Brian Rowe			browe@alias.com
Alias Research		110 Richmond St E., Toronto ON, M5C 1P1
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: g1lowy@cdf.toronto.edu (David A Lowy)
Subject: Led Zeppelin  CD Box Set
Originator: g1lowy@eddie.cdf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:30:12 GMT



*******  LED ZEPPELIN  4 Compact Disk Box Set  ***********

Unopened. Brand New. Got as Xmas present.  Asking $65 (no tax)

DAVE 482-4063

-- 

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  Dave Lowy                                   g1lowy@cdf.utoronto.ca  

Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: a209kumm@cdf.toronto.edu (Kummerer Mark Fred)
Subject: 2400 Supra Modem for sale
Summary: 2400 Modem 4 Sale
Originator: a209kumm@jade.cdf.toronto.edu
Keywords: modem 2400
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:08:24 GMT

Since I have just upgraded to a 14.4k ZyXEL, I am selling my old
Supra 2400 baud external modem.  It is about two years old, and I have the
manual and quick reference card for it, and it comes with its own power supply.

I will take the best offer I am given, so email me with the price you are 
willing to pay (all serious offers considered).  

Mark Kummerer	|   a209kumm@cdf.toronto.edu
  
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: malixi@sis.uucp (Julius Malixi)
Subject: Automobile Stereo System For Sale
Organization: Sheridan College, Ontario, Canada
 
Distribution: tor
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:31:52 GMT



I have a Pioneer Car CD Player for sale. Very excellent machine!!!!!
Along with that, I have two amps (180 Watts and 160 Watts) with an
eight inch sub-woofer box.
I am willing to sell each separately. I spent about $1100 on everthing.

I am asking for only $725.00 for the whole system.
If you only want to purchase some of the items, here are the prices:

CD Player:  $250.00
180 Watt Amp:  $200.00
160 Watt Amp:  $150.00
Speaker Box:   $125.00

Any one interested??  Please e-mail me !!!!
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: OS/2 for sale
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:05:20 GMT
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross) writes:
>: >With "Inside OS/2" book (cost $45+tax).  All for $70. 

And later:
>I might try a Dutch auction -- reduce the price a dollar a day.

Are you sure you can wait for over 2 months to sell it?    :-)

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid.com)  |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting              |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada            |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082   |
From: kgreen@ee.rochester.edu (Kenton A. Green)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: wanted: VCR w/ remote
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:30:12 GMT
Distribution: ont.forsale
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
X-Subliminal-Msg: you have an irresistable urge to give me a VCR free! :)

Hello,

Do you know anyone who is thinking of selling their VCR?  I am
not looking for anything fancy except a remote (OK, call me a
couch potato).  It could even be a Beta!

If you do know of someone, please drop me a line at:
kgreen@ee.rochester.edu

Thanks!
Xref: sparky ont.forsale:1604 tor.forsale:274
From: root@cibbs.UUCP (Mark Buckaway)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,tor.forsale
Subject: WANTED: Tandy Colour Computer(s)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:52:36 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

I am looking for anyone who has a Tandy Colour Computer I, II, or III that
they are willing to sell. A disk drive along with the package would be nice.

I would prefer this be from someone in the Toronto area, however, I would pay
for shipping if required. My old one no longer works, and it makes a great
device to develop small computer projects around.

If you have a CoCo, please email me.
Mark

----
Club InSaNiTy BBS   |   BBS:+1 416 691 0679 |   root@cibbs.UUCP
DataSoft Consulting | Voice:+1 416 691 5529 |   uunorth!cibbs!root
Mark Buckaway       | Toronto, Ont. CANADA  |   1@4653 (WWIVnet)
Xref: sparky ont.forsale:1603 ott.general:1685
From: hans@Software.Mitel.COM (Hans Johnsen)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,ott.general,mitel.general
Subject: For Sale: Suzuki Sidekick- 1989 Red Hardtop
Summary: 84000kms, Auto, JX, Alpine
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:25:46 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


	For Sale

1989 Suzuki SideKick JX 4WD

Red, Hardtop, Sunroof, bra, 84000kms, Alpine Stereo,
Automatic Transmission.

Great Winter car.

Asking $8000.

Reply here or call 592-2122 (x4224) days.
-- 
Take off all your clothes and walk down the street waving a machete
and firing an Uzi, and terrified citizens will phone the police and
report: "There's a naked person outside!" - Mike Nichols
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,tor.forsale
From: schao@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Stewart Chao)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Tandy Colour Computer(s)
Followup-To: ont.forsale,tor.forsale
Organization: University of Waterloo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:01:38 GMT

Mark Buckaway (root@cibbs.UUCP) wrote:
: If you have a CoCo, please email me.
: Mark

I have a Color Computer I with 64k and disk drive (and cassette).
(Also lots of raindow magazines and tapes with programs from
the rainbow magazines.)

I cannot send mail to you.  It bounces.

Stewart
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,tor.general