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From: d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens)
Subject: Re: Questions about travel to Europe
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:42:50 GMT

Mary E. Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) wrote:
:      Okay - my fiance and I are currently planning on going to Europe
: in May for two weeks (YEAH -- I KNOW it's not enough time, but he's
: got a new job and really doesn't have too much vacation time built up
: yet.)  
: 
: ANYWAY, I have a few questions
: 
: The places we're thinking of going are
: 
: Ireland (South Coast)
: England (London and the Yorkshire Dales)
: The Netherlands 

Well the Netherlands tour usually includes Amsterdam but I don't like it
myself. If you want to have a glimpse at a resort European style ,
topless beach and all, go to Scheveningen near Den-Haag (very nice city)
this long stretch of sand dunes parallel to the sea is beatiful. During
the summer hords of germans tourists invade it.   

One thing you shouldn't miss is the flowering garden near Haarlem called
Keukenhof (5 millions flowers are then in bloom). 

A hidden gem in the country is the city of Leiden, you will be charmed
by this quiet (compared to Amsterdam :-)) and dignified city. 

Another place that I liked better than Amsterdam is Utrecht, densely 
packed city of canals steeped in history.

All those attractions, except the flowers are situated on the main rail
line within 60 miles of one another so taking the train is a must.
their trains are very modern and run at a high rate in this corridor.

To get to the flowers and other places off the rail line you use the
bus system that covers completely the densely populated part of the 
country. This part is subdivided in zones so you buy strippenkarts
that contain 15 zones and punch it up as you use it : if you go 
through three zones on one trip you punch up three strips and so on.


:      Okay - next question - the travel agent is trying to talk us into 
: going on a prepackaged tour.  On the one hand it might be easier, on
: the other hand she may be pushing that because she gets more
: commission (what me cynical?)

Packaged tour, I really don't like them, I like the adventure of not knowing
where I may be one night; may is not a high season in Europe, 
reservations shouldn't be necessary in my humble opinion. 

--
SEIZE THE DAY, MAKE YOUR LIFE EXTRAORDINARY .  "Dead Poets Society"

Jean-Yves Desbiens                  | d40937@info.polymtl.ca
Etudiant en genie informatique      | 
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal Can | To indeed be a god ...,
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From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Subject: Re: What to "not miss" in Las Vegas?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:14:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.210247.11057@netcom.com> jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) writes:
>Try Madame Butterfly's place.  Call them and they'll send a limo to
>pick you up.  Outstanding service, with excellent selection, leaning
>toward oriental.  Very nice.  Expect to pay from US$200 and up, but
>well worth it.
>
>Just ask your Hotel concierge for her number.  

Is this a joke?  Funny, I don't see the :-).

-- 
Linda V. Hill                           "Nakia", Hans Christian 33
Network Equipment Technologies          Email: linda@net.com
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Phone: (415) 780-5785
Redwood City, CA 94063 			Fax:   (415) 780-5001
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From: ayed@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ayeda Ayed)
Subject: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:05:54 GMT

In <1993Jan10.114756.3743@nic.csu.net> sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:

>In article <1993Jan9.050231.22689@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> hclam@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (LAM Ho Cheong) writes:
>>   I'm interested in knowing how to say 'thank you' 
>>   using various languages in the world.  Could anyone
>>   follow up this article with a 'thank you' in his
>>   own language, the name of the language and the 
>>   countries where the language is used?
>>
>>   Let me be the first,
>>
>>   Ng Kuoi, Chinese(Cantonese), Hong Kong
>    Terima Kasih, Indonesian, Indonesia
>    Trims, Indonesian , Indonesia 
>    Shukran, Arabic   


ayeda
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From: slewis@irvine.com (Susy Lewis)
Subject: Hawaii & Mexico
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:26:17 GMT


My fiance and I are planning to go to either Hawaii or the west coast
of Mexico for our honeymoon.  I would appreciate any information on good
travel agencies for these destinations, which places are recommended for
a destination, good hotels or resorts, prices, etc.

Please send any info to slewis@irvine.com

Thanks!
        -- Susy
From: m1wrp99@milo.uucp (William R. Palenske)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: trip to london, england
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:35:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

a friend and i are thinking of visiting london and
environs ( probably for a fortnight. )  winter is
fine by us.  i.e.,  we're going to do it relatively
soon.  are there any _deals_ transportation-wise etc
that we should know about?  one more thing, we want
to do our touring alone.  email will suffice.  thanks.

-----

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From: rds1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (raymond.d.smith)
Subject: REQ: Music/CD/Other Sites to See in London
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:41:33 GMT
Followup-To: rds1@iwtgo.att.com
Keywords: CD stores, Beatles, Folkmusic

I have the unexpected pleasure of traveling to England on Friday, 
1/15/93 on business and was planning to take a few vacation days 
and see some of the sights.  I'm tentatively a planning to stay in London, 
for three days, but I might be able to take a day trip somewhere else. 
I was curious if anyone reading one of these newsgroups knew:

	1) The location of particularly good record/CD stores in London, 
	   where one might find unusual items.  I have the address of the 
	   Virgin Megastore which I understand is supposed to be huge,
	   but I was wondering if I might find some things that are out 
	   of the mainstream.

	2) The location on Abbey Road (is it still called that?) where they 
	   took that picture for the Beatles album and where the office for 
	   Apple Corp. is located. 

	3) Any other suggestions (from natives or people who have visited) 
	   for music related places (e.g., folk or rock music clubs, 
	   shops, etc.) or anything else would be greatly appreciated.

This trip came up rather suddenly, so I haven't had any chance to plan.

Please e-mail to

Ray Smith
rds1@iwtgo.att.com
Naperville, Il.
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Vermont Sightseeing
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:36:06 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: world,local
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Visit a few of the following:

1. Stowe, Vermont. Very scenic. Beautiful. Has a ski area 10mi west
   of town.  Very quaint. Lots of things to do.

2. Waterbury, Vermont. Home of Ben & Jerry's ice cream. Take the tour.
   Not sure if it runs in the winter though.

3. Drive up around Lake Champlaign (spelling?). Very nice. 

I can recommend a nice bed and breakfast that we've stayed in several
times. It's called The Fiddler's Green. It's about 5-6 miles west of
Stowe along the main 2 lane road. There's a brook out back, and it's
very nice. Run by a very nice couple. DOn't have the phone but you can
get it from information.

4. Go to Burlington, it's a college town. Perhaps take the ferry across
   the lake. Lake Placid, NY is not that far away..

Have fun.




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From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Dover -- A travel story (very long)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:06:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

Just a couple of trivial points.  (I come from a village a few miles
from Dover, and went to school there.)  (I don't read rec.travel; if
you want me to see anything, email me or crosspost to
rec.backcountry.)

>>>>> On 8 Jan 93 00:32:14 GMT, ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) said:

>      For now, however, on a typical day a visitor to London can still
> select among more than 30 trains if he or she wants to journey to Dover.
> Most of the departures are from Waterloo and Victoria stations.

Charing Cross probably ought to be mentioned too.

>      At present, the rails of BR's Network Southeast are still secondary
> lines.  You won't find any IC125 high speed trains here as you do on the
> main lines north from London.
>      The rolling stock is older, slower, and a bit more rattly.

*sigh* still very true.

>      Since most trains to Dover terminate at the Priory station, you'll
> need to take a bus from there into town -- unless, as I did, you elect to
> head straight out to Shakespeare Cliff by taxi.

Dover Priory is a ten-minute walk from the town, it's really not worth
taking a bus unless you're carrying something heavy.
--
Bruce              CMSR, University of Liverpool
Use PGP 2.1; make private email private!
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From: chris@cs.toronto.edu (Chris Beck)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Nova Scotia
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:27:49 GMT

smazu@ameris.ameritech.com (Steven P. Mazurek) writes:
> hyw@philabs.philips.com (Huay-Yong Wang) writes:
> 
> >My wife and I are planning a trip to Nova Scotia and PEI this spring.
> >We are thinking of taking the cruise boat from Portland, Maine
> >that allows us to bring our car along. What's the best time to go
> >during the spring season? Comments and sightseeing tips will be greatly
> >appreciated.
>
[some stuff deleted] 
> 
> My favorite side in the Atlantic. There many small towns and pubs to
> duck into. Some of them have become quite "touristy" over the years,
> but they can still be interesting: Lunnenburg, Peggy's Cove, etc. 
> Watch for the local activities on you trip, like the Blessing of the
> Fishing Fleet in Lunnenburg.
> 
> Halifx is a great site-seeing town, if you interesting in the history of
> the region.
> 
> I have a soft spot for Cape Breton Island. There are many small
> and cozy Inns and B&Bs. Its remote and has some of the best scenery.
> The auto tour that circumvents the island is said to be the most scenic
> in North America; if you can find a time when it's not cloudy or covered
> in fog (ocean you know ...). The Alexander's Graham Bell museum is also
> located on Cape Breton - I highly recommend it.

Well, speaking as a native Nova Scotian ...
The tour around Cape Breton is called the Cabot Trail.  It heads up into the
Highlands of Cape Breton.  From the name you can imagine that it is very
heathery and Scottish.  Also along the trail is a wonderful golf course
(in a place called Ingonish) as well as some of the most amazing scenery
anywhere.  It's generally suggested that your first time around the Cabot
Trail should be done clockwise so that your on the side of the road away
from the cliff!

> 
> I'm not as familiar with the Bay of Fundy side. Tururo (sp?) is the spot
> I remember, because I had to get up at 02:00 am to watch a river run
> backwards!

The Fundy side (which basically runs from Truro to Digby) boasts the beautiful
Annapolis Valley (I always thought it ironic that most of the NS apple 
orchards are there (i.e. - an-apple-less valley)).  The historic sites close
to Digby (Port Royal, Fort Anne) date from the days of Champlain (at least
some of them do).  And of course Fundy claims the highest tides in the world.

Another treat is whale-watching.  There is a research station on the small
Brier Island (at the very sout-west tip of NS - sticking out into the Bay
of Fundy toward Maine) that also takes passengers.  Last I heard (2 years
ago when I went watching) there was a regular pod of whales that fed, bore
young, and lived in the area.  The day I went was chilly, foggy, and rainy,
but having 5 humpback whales breaching around you kinda takes your mind off
it.

> Especially on the weather. It's not what you'd expect any time of the
> year.  8-)

"If you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes."

Chris
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: Orlando without Mickey
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 16:54:34 GMT

In article <C0Dxty.EJw.1@cs.cmu.edu> jcm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris McGlone) writes:
>The family unit and I will be heading to Orlando in April for a conference.
>While there was no way I would be allowed to miss Disney, I'm hoping desperately
>that there's something to do in that town (with a 2-year old) that doesn't 
>involve standing in 
>line with drooling middle-American consumers at a theme park along the 
>interstate.  Is there life in Orlando outside of Disney? The NY Times had a 
>short article which mentioned an art museum--how is it? What's the best
>beach within a reasonable drive?  
>
>Thanks.  I hope I'm not insulting Orlandians too much.  
>
>Chris McGlone
The 2-year old, you, a sibling, or offspring?  "Drooling middle-American Consumers..."?  Hey guy, thats me!  I only drool at a good meal or beautiful women.  I
do plan a trip to Orlando in May and am looking forward to the many other  
attractions, AS WELL AS DISNEYWORLD, such as Epcot, Cape Kennedy, the beaches,
etc.  Don't mean to come down on you too hard, but "drooling American.."!?
Have a good trip!
From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: bed & breakfast in Paris
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:50:50 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Privately owned and operated bed and breakfast in Paris: near 
Montparnasse, Saint-Germain des Pres.  The person also offers
tours of historical areas of Paris (in French, though). here
is the information:

Michele Rumeau
23, rue du Cherche-Midi
75006 Paris
telephone: (33) 1  42 22 66 39
            ^^  ^
        France Paris

I think the price is 250FF (roughly US$ 50) for 2 people, but I cannot
guarantee it.

-- 

	Francois Velde
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Is it possible to fly to Asia on a cargo plane?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:37:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I would like to take a cargo plane, or any other form of cheap
transportation to Asia.  Is this possible?  I'm open to any form of
transportation as long as it's cheap.

Thanks.
From: jd21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Demmers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Morrocco info.
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:04:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I'm off to Morrocco and parts north and would appreciate any info. that anyone
can supply regarding places to see, things to do, etc.  I'm definetly going
to fez and maybe marakesh(sp).  "I'm all ears" as H. R. Perot would say.

- jim

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From: hclam@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (LAM Ho Cheong)
Subject: How To Say "Thank You"
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:02:31 GMT

   I'm interested in knowing how to say 'thank you' 
   using various languages in the world.  Could anyone
   follow up this article with a 'thank you' in his
   own language, the name of the language and the 
   countries where the language is used?

   Let me be the first,

   Ng Kuoi, Chinese(Cantonese), Hong Kong

HC
From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: re: EuroBorders
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:31:10 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

re: EuroBorders

As of the new year there will be relaxed border controls when entering a
European country, *BUT* that does not mean there will be no controls,
the British will continue as always and what happened occasionally at the
border can now occur within the borders where (for example) the French
Borderpolice and the reg. Police will do occasional spot checks within
the country.

My advice (as stated earlier) is check for your own situation as to the
necessity of a visa for your nationality.

A few years back when France required visas (even for Canadi<ns!) I 
was not 'stamped' on the night train into france, but the border official
on the way out raised a stink and demanded I prove how I entered the country
so always be prepared for the border .....

robert kobenter * rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca * Victoria BC Canada * -4 oC today!

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From: api053@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Garion)
Subject: Re: Questions about travel to Europe
Keywords: travel, europe, ireland, england, netherlands
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:50:02 GMT

In article <1ictt4INNbip@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes:
>
>Ireland (South Coast)
>England (London and the Yorkshire Dales)
>The Netherlands 
>
>     Two personal items I'd like to take with me are my Swiss Army
>Knife (hey, I know MacGyver never had problems carrying his with him,
>but he worked for a government agency) and -- this might be more of a
>problem -- my darts (you don't expect me to go all the way over there
>and not take my DARTS with me).  Would this possibly be a problem?
>Anyone ever travel overseas with darts?
>

Sorry, I've not been overseas with mine, but if you do come by Coventry
when you're here, you can borrow mine.  I'd even give you a game.  Or
even in the Norfolk Broads, since I'm not sure where I'll be at that time!

>     OH -- next question - is there anyone reading this that's in The 
>Netherlands that might be willing to make a phone call for me to a
>museum near Otterlo??
>
>THANKS for any info

No, not Holland, but if there's anything you want to know about England...


Steven

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 his people, both now, and for evermore.  -----> Psalm 125:1-2
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: vacation in scotland/Ireland
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:26:45 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

mhumi@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Mayer Humi) wrote:
> I would like to spend part of the upcomming summer in Scotland or Ireland.
> However I would like to couple pleasure with my meditation practice (self
> directed...I am not interested in participating in any workshop).  I wonder
> if somebody can advise me of an appropriate place for this end.

The only person I know who's done something along those lines was quite
advanced in Kagyu Buddhism.  She rented a shed in the middle of Rannoch
Moor (an off-season deerstalkers' bothy, I think) and meditated alone for
three months...

> Ideally I am looking for a serene environment with good and clean facilities
> (well above average in quality) not bunk bed in a dorm accomodation.

...well, that's out (I think the place had a floor but I wouldn't count on
it).  Why not try a Hilton?

Heck, the ground under a tree was good enough for the Buddha, wasn't it?

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From: ekaas@cs.sfu.ca (Erik Kaas)
Subject: "Thank you" in Dutch
Keywords: thank you
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:08:42 GMT


Thank you in Dutch would be

bedankt

Dutch is spoken in The Netherlands (= Holland), parts of Belgium
(flemish), Suriname, the Antilles, and Indonesia. Afrikaans (spoken
in South Africa) resembles Dutch.

Erik


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From: vanburen@iiasa.ac.at (Tom VANBUREN)
Subject: Info Needed Int'l Workcamps Spain
Organization: IIASA, Laxenburg, Austria
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:15:44 GMT


Looking for organizations in Spain that restore national historic landmarks, e.g., castles, palaces,  that solicit volunteers to
work for two or three weeks, and provide room and board in exchange for work. I have done similar in France with Concordia.

Thanks for your time.
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Can one use calling card at Frankfurt Airport?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:20:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: iecc.9301081320.AA09651
Organization: I.E.C.C.

>I want to know if you can use your calling cards (AT&T &/or MCI) to call USA
>from any public phone booth at the Frankfurt airport?

In Germany there are direct numbers for the major U.S. long distance
companies.  You may have to put a coin into the phone to get a dial tone,
but it should give the coin back after you hang up.

For MCI, dial 0130-0012 or for MCI customer service, dial
0130-81-5417.  For Sprint, dial 0130-0013.  For Allnet, dial
0130-81-4247.  For AT&T, dial 0130-0010.

There's a similar service for calling Canada, dial 0130-0014.

When using a calling card, AT&T charges $4.27 for the first minute and
$1.09 per minute thereafter.  The other carriers are a cent or two less.
Collect calls are also available for about $3 more.

I have a long list of "direct" numbers for calling the U.S. and Canada
from all over the world, available on request.


Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl