From: mister rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Debate results
X-Xxdate: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:00:15 GMT
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:05:35 GMT

In article <92288.120431JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu> , JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.141515.9480@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mister 'Know' rogers
><rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> says:
>>In article <1992Oct13.190817.10496@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jason 'Think!'
>>steiner, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu writes:
>>>remember all those people you sent to Washington to bring home the
>>                   ^
>>               democrat
>>
>>>pork at the future's expense?
>
>Not quite.  Let's try some history!
>
>"...in eight years by direction of the most conservative administration
>in modern times, the federal government's spending will have exceeded
>its income by the staggering sum of $1.5 trillion.  The next President
>will inherit a publicly held federal debt nearly triple that accumulated
>by all of Ronald Reagan's thirty-nine predecessors.
>   "Historians will undoubtedly find these elephantine figures baffling.
>By then, the secret of the Reagan era's fabulous free lunch will be
beyond
>dispute.  The records will show that within the span of a few short years
>the United States flung itself into massive hock with the rest of the
>world."  [Note:  the US debt is now a beyond staggering -
incomprehensible -
>$4 trillion]
>   "In the final analysis, only one conclusion is possible.  The American
>economy and government have literally been taken hostage by the awesome
>stubbornness of the nation's fortieth President."
>                        David Stockman, 1st Budget Director under Reagan,
>                        who (with Jack Kemp) developed the administration
>                        budget direction (quote from 1987).
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Jeff Luck                                *Standard Disclaimer*

it may help your conscience, yet ...

from the wall street journal not long ago
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             "The Billions Congress Wants to Spend"

     Congress last week extended its own license to spend when it failed
to
   pass a constitutional amendment o balance the budget.  Why did Congress
   reject this measure?  Research by the National Taxpayers Union
   Foundation, the research arm of the anti-tax lobby, yields one
   age-old answer:  Congress was protecting interest-group wish lists.

     The foundation ran up the numbers and found that the opponents of a
   balanced budget amendment are also sponsors of legislation that would 
   cost the taxpayers the most money.  Congressmen who voted for the
   balanced budget amendment are sponsoring legislation that would
increase
   spending by around $23 billion; members who opposed the amendment
currently
   sponsor legislation that would cost the taxpayer about an additional
   $137 billion.  The foundation also produced a list of the 100
congressmen
   and women who would spend the most (as of April 5, 1992).  Only
   16 of them supported the amendment.  We reprint the list here,
   with rankings in billions of dollars.



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								    net cost of
					increases	decreases   projects
Rank	Member				sponsored	sponsored   sponsored

1	Boxer, Barbara    (D,CA)	$406		$-1.26		$405
2	Johnston, Harry   (D,FL)	$370		$-0.83		$370
3	Towns, Ed.        (D,NY)	$347		$-0.38		$347
4	Norton, Eleanor   (D,DC)	$347		$-1.43		$345
5	Hayes, Charles    (D,IL)	$344		$-0.11		$344
6	Martinez, Matthew (D,CA)	$343		$-0.49		$343
7	Owens, Major R.   (D,NY)	$341		$-0.16		$341
8	Savage, Gus       (D,IL)	$339		$-0.02		$339
9	Frank, Barney     (D,MA)	$341		$-2.49		$339
10	Dymally, Mervyn M.(D,CA)	$337		$-0.02		$337
11	Conyers Jr., John (D,MI)	$327		$-0.31		$327
12	Rangel, Charles B.(D,NY)	$332		$-5.50		$326
13	Collins, Barbara  (D,MI)	$324		$-0.08		$324
14	Weiss, Ted        (D,NY)	$324		$-0.46		$324
15	Ford, Harold      (D,TN)	$323		$-0.16		$323
16	Clay, William L.  (D,MO)	$319		$-0.08		$318
17	Dellums, Ronald V.(D,CA)	$316		$-0.12		$316
18	Collins, Cardiss  (D,IL)	$316		$-0.38		$315
19	Mfume, Kweisi     (D,MD)	$309		$-0.38		$309
20	Payne, Donald     (D,NJ)	$307		$-0.03		$307
21	Mink, Patsy       (D,NJ)	$304		$-0.39		$303
22	Kleczka, Gerald D.(D,NY)	$303		$-0.07		$303
23	Serrano, Jose     (D,NY)	$302		$-0.06		$302
24	Rahall II, Nick J.(D,WV)	$300		$-0.16		$300
25	Kolter, Joseph P. (D,PA)	$301		$-1.75		$299
26	Pelosi, Nancy     (D,CA)	$299		$-0.24		$299
27	Flake, Floyd      (D,NY)	$298		$-0.09		$298
28	Abercrombie, Neil (D,HI)	$298		$-0.72		$297
29	Foglietta, Thomas (D,PA)	$294		$-0.08		$294
30	Kildee, Dale E.   (D,MI)	$293		$-1.85		$291
31	Markey, Edward    (D,MA)	$290		$-0.47		$290
32	McNulty, Michael  (D,NY)	$291		$-1.54		$289
33	Poshard, Glenn    (D,IL)	$289		$-0.09		$289
34	Brown, Jr. George (D,CA)	$290		$-3.00		$287
35	Hochbrueckner, G. (D,NY)	$286		$-0.15		$286
36	Oberstar, James   (D,MN)	$288		$-2.07		$286
37	Evans, Lane       (D,IL)	$288		$-2.80		$286
38	Lipinski, William (D,IL)	$287		$-1.25		$286
39	Yates, Sidney R.  (D,IL)	$286		$-0.01		$286
40	Lefalce, John J.  (D,NY)	$287		$-2.01		$285
41	Feighan, Edward F.(D,OH)	$281		$-0.14		$281
42	Scheuer, James H. (D,NY)	$282		$-0.61		$281
43	Annunzio, Frank   (D,IL)	$279		$-0.15		$279
44	Dwyer, Bernard J. (D,NJ)	$283		$-4.54		$279
45	Ravenel, Arthur   (R,SC)	$279		$-1.12		$278
46	Berman, Howard    (D,CA)	$280		$-1.99		$278
47 	Nowak, Henry      (D,NY)	$278		$-0.38		$277
48	Miller, George    (D,CA)	$279		$-2.16		$277
49	Lewis, John       (D,GA)	$276		$-0.16		$276
50	Mavroules,Nicholas(D,MA)	$274		$-0.67		$273
51	Moody, Jim        (D,WI)	$273		$-0.32		$273
52	Studds, Gerry E.  (D,MA)	$273		$-0.52		$273
53	Traxler, Bob      (D,MI)	$272		$-0.08		$272
54	Olver, John W.    (D,MA)	$272		$ 0.00		$272
55	Edwards, Don      (D,CA)	$272		$-0.03		$272
56	McDermott, Jim    (D,WA)	$272		$-0.55		$271
57	Vento, Bruce F.   (D.MN)	$271		$-0.41		$270
58	Sangmeister, G.   (D,IL)	$270		$-0.09		$270
59	Downey, Thomas    (D,NY)	$270		$-0.07		$270
60	Dicks, Norman     (D,WA)	$270		$-0.31		$270
61	Schumer, Charles  (D,NY)	$269		$-0.01		$269
62	Solarz, Stephen   (D,NY)	$268		$-0.01		$268
63	Coyne, William    (D,PA)	$267		$-0.08		$267
64	Gejdenson, Sam    (D,CT)	$267		$-1.64		$265
65	Russo, Marty      (D,IL)	$263		$ 0.00		$263
66	Kennedy, Joseph   (D,MA)	$262		$-0.01		$263
67	Faleomavaega, Eni (D,AS)	$264		$-1.44		$262
68	Beilenson, Anthony(D,CA)	$261		$-0.39		$261
69	Swift, AL         (D,WA)	$259		$-0.31		$259
70	Bustamante, Albert(D,TX)	$258		$-0.59		$258
71	Atkins, Chester   (D,MA)	$261		$-4.51		$257
72	Stark, Fortney    (D,CA)	$218		$-0.39		$218
73	Peterson, Pete    (D,FL)	$214		$-1.79		$212
74	Tallon, Robin     (D,SC)	$211		$-0.08		$211
75	Gibbons, Sam      (D,FL)	$201		$-0.01		$201
76	Lehman, William   (D,FL)	$187		$-0.01		$187
77	Torres, Esteban E.(D,CA)	$154		$-0.45		$153
78	Stokes, Louis     (D,OH)	$153		$-0.08		$153
79	Staggers, Harley  (D,WV)	$150		$-0.13		$150
80	Oakar, Mary Rose  (D,OH)	$147		$-0.01		$147
81	Bonior, David     (D,MI)	$145		$-3.08		$142
82	Traficant, James  (D,OH)	$141		$-0.59		$140
83	Jefferson, William(D,LA)	$ 93		$-0.18		$ 93
84	Ackerman, Gary    (D,NY)	$ 84		$-1.27		$ 83
85	De Lugo, Ron      (D,VI)	$ 78		$-3.14		$ 75
86	Engel, Eliot      (D,NY)	$ 71		$-0.61		$ 71
87	Gephardt, Richard (D,MO)	$ 69		$ 0.00		$ 69
88	Johnson, Tim      (D,SD)	$ 64		$-0.46		$ 63
89	Emerson, Bill     (R,MO)	$ 60		$-3.78		$ 57
90	Smith, Christopher(R,NJ)	$ 52		$ 0.00		$ 52
91	Dingell, John     (D,MI)	$ 53		$-1.59		$ 52
92	Quillen, James    (R,TM)	$ 49		$-0.68		$ 49
93	Gonzalez, Henry   (D,TX)	$ 46		$-0.07		$ 46
94	Wilson, Charles   (D,TX)	$ 47		$-1.05		$ 46
95	Williams, Pat     (D,MT)	$ 46		$-0.19		$ 46
96	Sanders, Bernie   (I,VT)	$ 45		$-0.21		$ 45
97	Unsoeld, Jolene   (D,WA)	$ 44		$-0.74		$ 44
98	Waxman, Henry     (D,CA)	$ 43		$-0.01		$ 43
99	Roe, Robert       (D,NJ)	$ 44		$-2.04		$ 42
100	Kaptur, Marcy     (D,OH)	$ 42		$-0.54		$ 42
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how many republicans are on this list?
now some recent history ...

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Senate Population By Congress

         Year    Congress   Democrats  Repros     Others

       1979-1981   96th       58         41          1
       1981-1983   97th       46         53          1
       1983-1985   98th       46         54          0
       1985-1987   99th       47         53          0
       1987-1989   100th      54         46          0
       1989-1991   101st      57         43          0

From the World Almanac Book of Facts, 1990, Page 305
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if anyone has the numbers for the House of Representatives, please post.
it's even more democrat. if you're talking throwing out congress, you're
talking throwing out democrats.

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mister rogers
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