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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Giants
Date: 7 Sep 1992 05:35:07 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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In article <1992Sep7.020048.23920@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>The 49ers opened the season with a convincing 31-14 victory over the
>New York Giants in New Jersey. If this game is indicative of the way
>the 49ers are going to play this season, then they are going to the
>Super Bowl. Everything clicked. Rickey Watters gained 100 yards on
>the ground, plus a few nice pass receptions. John Johnson intercepted
>a pass and returned it for a TD. Tim Harris had three sacks. The
>special teams looked good, especially on kick returns (the punting
>was only marginal, and Cofer did miss a makeable 48-yard field goal
>short). And the maligned secondary played a great game, except for
>some soft coverage after they built a lead.
>

I agree with everything you said except the secondary. Especially
Dana Hall, who was shown up badly at least three times. One was 
during a crossing route on which he was left one-on-one with Ingram
(I think) and couldn't cover him. The other was on Hampton's TD
run, when Hall went for the big play instead of trying to keep
him contained and Hampton gave him a little fake move and skipped
past him, Hall flailing away. The third was when huge Jarrod Bunch
carried him for what seemed like 10-20 yards (shades of Lott/Bavaro).
Still has a way to go.

Towards the end the secondary also were letting Simms complete passes 
at will, mainly due the zone/prevent defense they were playing. Thankfully 
John Johnson picked off Simms and ended that threat. 

All in all, a pretty good game for the late-blooming Niners, Watters
looked pretty good. THe true test will come next week when Kelly,Reed,
Lofton, Thomas test the secondary. Hopefully the treacherous 'Stick
winds will be out in full force and Hall will pick off Kelly 5-6 times.

Ashu Rege
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: The Battle Of The Titans!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:57:53 GMT

roat@rrc.chevron.com writes:
>And NO PUNTS!!!  When was the last time this happened?  Anybody know?

According to today's SF Chron, never.

	* * *

My two cent opinion: Steve Young is a good QB, but he is just not
suitable for the Niners offense.  Put in Steve Bono and you'll see how
they click.

(Yes, I'm kidding.  What did you think?!)


--Gidi
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Giants update (Anderson / Simms)
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:33:06 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.9.715439648@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> (Evil Sheriff of
Dodge City) writes:
>
>Otis Anderson, MVP Superbowl XXV was one of the 16 players waived monday by 
>the NY Giants.
>
>Rumors that he will be back are circulating in NY.  

After being cut for 24 hours, OJ is back on the roster. TE Aaron Pierce was
placed on IR to make room.

>Quarterback News:  Phil got the nod to start on Sunday against the 49ers
>(Hostetler has not recovered from a pelvic injury) 

As of 9/3 am, Handley has still not decided who will start. In practice
yesterday (9/2), both Hoss and Simms split the time with the first-string. Hoss
was apparently "rusty" but has recovered from the injury.
 
>GO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ditto.
---
         Larry Simmons                           larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology          ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine    ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me

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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Vikings 23 Packers 20
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:35:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.204453.4897@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa
C (Mark?) Merrill) writes:
>
>	Wow great game today at Lambeau Field. Vikings won 23-20 in OT.
>	Herschell who? Terry Allen had approx. 140+ yds rushing, and
>	Roger Craig looked good too. Next up the Lions, in Detroit,
>	who lost today against the Bears. That will be a real good test
>	for this yound Viking team. 


The Bears-Lions were on TV here so I listened to the Vikings radio network.
Color commontator David Huffman was quite displeased with the Vikings offense.
According to Huffman, Gannon was consistently making poor throws to open
recievers. Adam Schreiber alone had 3 holding penalties. Even though Terry
Allen had a big day rushing, most of his yardage came on two long runs, while
most of the Viking running plays were stuffed for ~2 yard gains. I wasn't able
to see any pre-season games, but Huffman seemed to think that the offense had
taken a big step backwards. 

The defense was adequate. The pass rush shined on a couple of occasions, but
needs much improvement. The secondary came alive in the latter parts of the
game and probably saved the day for the Vikes, as they were able to deflect
many Green Bay passes.

Huffman also brought up a great point (IMO) about Viking punter Harry Newsome.
Yes, he can kick the ball far, but he stinks at trying to pin teams inside the
20 yard line. For instance, he had a great opprotunity to trap the Pack inside
the 20 but he proceeded to boom a 52 yard kick out of the endzone.  I think he
did poorly at this last year as well.

A win is a win, but The Vikes are going to have to play much better if they
hope to break .500 this year.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
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From: jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com (Jay Lawlor ~)
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Reply-To: jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Organization: Intel Portland Technology Development
	<1992Sep14.042013.2107@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>
	<192vgbINNaqn@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:14:14 GMT

>>>>> On 14 Sep 1992 21:16:59 GMT, felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling) said:
Felix> NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu


Felix> Last remark.  Aren't you sorta glad that Cofer missed, so that the game
Felix> wouldn't end up being decided by the OT coin toss?  :-)

If it helps them decide to replace him now rather than possibly lose a
close game in the playoffs then I'm glad.  It's more stressful having
him go in to kick a field goal than it would be to have them go for it
on 4th down every time.  :^)
--

Jay Lawlor                                         jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Mailstop: AL4-57      Phone: (503) 642-8050        FAX:   (503) 649-3996
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From: msb2f@csissun8.ee.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown)
Subject: Deion back with the Falcons 
Reply-To: msb2f@csissun8.ee.Virginia.EDU (Michael Scott Brown)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:15:46 GMT

I was watching Sportscenter this morning and they broke in with the message
that Deion signed with the Falcons today, but there were no more details.

Mike Brown
msb2f@virginia.edu


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From: dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bucs coach
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:59:32 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

In article <1992Sep10.205253.15505@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>I think it was dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) who wrote:
>>Now for some real trivia....does anyone know the fastest expansion-to-
>>playoff team in major league sports?
>
>I assume the hint was in the Subject line?
>
>The Milwaukee Bucks joined the NBA in 1969, I believe.  They finished
>last, won the coin toss with Phoenix, and drafted Kareem.  Then they
>traded for Oscar.  So, in 1970 they finished the regular season with
>the second best record, behind New York.  The Knicks also beat them in
>the Eastern finals.  In 1971 the Bucks had the best record and won the
>championship.
>
>Maybe some expansion team made the playoff in its first year; maybe
>I'm wrong and the Bucks were more than two years old in 1970; but I'll
>be very surprised if anyone else moved faster from expansion to
>championship.


You are accurate but the Phoenix Suns did the same thing.  They
were a 1968-69 expansion team as were the Bucks, and made the
playoffs (39-43, tied for 3rd in the West) in their 2nd year.
They added Connie Hawkins (from the ABA) and Paul Silas (via
trade) in 1969-70.
--
Name:    Bob Dorin
Company: Kendall Square Research 
Email:   dorin@ksr.com, ksr!dorin
From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas and Philadelphia
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:57:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Well, according to ESPN, in recent history, teams that have won the
Superbowl started off at 2-0.  Since they have been all in the NFC,
and if this stat should hold true this year, that leaves 3 teams in
the NFC.  The Buccaneers, the Cowboys, and the Eagles.  I doubt the
Buccaneers will be in the lead once the playoffs begin, which leads
to two teams...the Eagles and the Cowboys.  If these teams go 3-0
after next week, they then have a bye week.  After the bye week they
meet each other Monday night, 10/5 IN Philadelphia for what should be
one hell of a game.  This could very well decide once and for all if
Dallas is for real.  IMHO, I doubt it, and here's why...
Dallas did beat the Eagles last year week 15 at the VET, BUT the
offense the cowboys were against was nothing in comparison with what
it is now.  The Cowboys were dominated totally for 3 and 1/2 quarters
until Kelvin Martin returned for a TD.  That broke the Eagles back
because frankly, Jeff Kemp is not Randall Cunningham or Jim McMahon.
I think that if Jimmy Mac was the QB, Dallas would have been
eliminated from the playoffs and we would not even mention SuperBowl
and Dallas in the same sentence right now.  


After seeing the Cowboys secondary get burned against the Giants
yesterday, the talk about the inexperienced secondary is what is
going to keep them away for another year.  I do think next year,
Dallas will be ready.


Just a little note: The Eagles at home on Monday night are
undefeated.  They also tend to bury rivals such as the Giants and
Redskins when they play.  
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Final Scores from Week 1
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:03:11 GMT


	I saw some people were requesting final scores from week one.
	Well here they are:

  Indianapolis 14
  Cleveland	3

  Chicago      27
  Detroit      24

  Buffalo      40
  LA Rams   	3

  Minnesota    23
  Green Bay    20 OT

  Philadelphia 15
  New Orleans  13

  Atlanta      20
  NY Jets      17

  Pittsburgh   29
  Houston      24

  Cincinnati   21
  Seattle	3

  Tampa Bay    23
  Phoenix	7

  Kansas City  24
  San Diego    10

  San Francisco 31
  NY Giants     14

  Denver       17
  LA Raiders   13

  New England vs Miami (rescheduled to Oct 18th)

  Washington at Dallas tonight....

  Mark
  GO VIKINGS!

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From: kettler@ahab.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Abe speaks from dead (was: Re: GOD I HATE THE RAMS!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Must have been a seance
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.213432.14298@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John 
P. Gloria)  writes...
>Why are so defensive? What are you, a commie?!  As Abe Lincoln
>once said in 1873, "Them rebels under estimated us Yanks".

He did? It must have been in a seance. After all, he was assassinated in 1865 
by John Wilkes Booth or did you skip class when the teacher went over the Civil 
War. d::-)

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
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From: jono@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Jonathon Oliver-Summer 92)
Subject: Aussie Rules (was Re: Instant Replay)
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:02:46 GMT

vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:


>Second S-S-S idea for the day: Anyone who complains about the standard of
>NFL officiating should be made to sit through an average AFL Aussie Rules
>game. You'll see more bad calls in that than in an entire NFL season.

>Peter Vamplew     Dept of Computer Science, Uni of Tasmania

You can't be serious. I think you have misunderstood the role
of umpires in Aussie Rules. They are there to make the game flow,
to be spectactular. They don't enforce rules to the letter, but try to enforce
the spirit of the rules. And when theres any confusion they bounce the ball.

Jon Oliver
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/8/92
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:04:24 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <24711@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>The Redskins lost because:
> 2) Alvin Harper beat Darrell Green for a 26-yard touchdown pass with 1:02
>    left in the first half;

At the risk of being labelled a Cowboy basher, this was IMHO the key play
of the game, and it was a pretty questionable no call by the ref. Ther's not
a doubt in my mind that harper only got open by pushing off on Green
and Dierdorf seemed to agree. It wasn't a blatant shove, but he definitely 
could have (and I believe should have) been called for interference on the
play.

One interesting thing I noticed in the game was that despite really outplaying
the Skins, the Cowboys seemed to me to be a team that wasn't quite hitting
on all cylinders. Thats a little scary to beat the Skins that easily and
look(IMHO) like a team that is still a long way from peaking.

If I had one bone to pick with the Cowboys it would be that they seem to
have a few problems internally. The fumble recovery by J. Jones in the first
half was kind of funny, because he and teammated Gant were visibly fighting
over the ball(risking losing it to the Skins) and then Gant was apparently
yelling at Jones as they went to the sideline, and it didn't look like
he was congratulating him. Later, after Clark burned Washington for a TD
pass, Holt pointed at Washington and started yelling and shaking his head
as if to say "your fault" . IMHO that should have been done on the sideline,
not out in the middle of the field.

Overall the Cowboys look good, and obviously the Skins will get better as
Rypien and Green get into playing shape.

The NFC East is definitely going to be tought this year.



Russ Smith
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From: saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Subject: Re: Bengals uniforms
Originator: saji@snert.ece.uc.edu
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:59:07 GMT


In article <9209151435.AA19666@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com>, ckoontz@RDXSUN40.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Carl H. Koontz) writes:
|> I noticed the Bengals were wearing white jerseys at home against the
|> Raiders on Sunday.  I am pretty positive they have always worn their
|> black jerseys at Riverfront in the past.
|> 
|> Does anybody know why the Cincinnati Bengals have started wearing
|> white jerseys at Riverfront?  Is this a Dave Shula original?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Carl

 This was due to an agreement between Raiders and Bengals. This was done
 last spring. I do not know what the Bengals got out of the deal ....
 but who cares about uniforms as long as the ?Bengals win .....


  Aji.



-- 
  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Early Scores Update ...
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.181610.27308@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>        LA Raiders      14	Jay Schroeder has two TD passes
>    2   Cincinnati      14
>
OVERTIME score:  Cincinnati  24
                 Raider      21

>Missed the radio call ... stepped out to get a soda  :-(
>
>Bob - I *hate* it when that happens
>
Yeah, same here...I had to go take a piss during the
Deion Sanders return...that's okay, I dislike the FALCONS
anyway. :-)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:07:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <56079@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes...

>In article <1992Sep11.162012.24024@lclark.edu> greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco) writes:
>>John beat me to this post.  I can't wait to hear from some knowledgeable
>>Bills fan (or any other wannabe who dislikes the success of others) about how
>>"Vegas odds don't win football games" or "Vegas oddsmakers must be Niner
>>fans."
> 
>I'm not a Bills fan, but as has been pointed out on this net before, Vegas
>odds are in no way intended to indicate who "they" think will win the game.
>Their intent is to generate the most betting action(and the most money
>for their casino) possible on a given game. 
> 
>The spread is set with that in mind.

I believe the casinos set the point spreads to try to keep the amount 
of money bet on either team as even as possible.  That way they still 
get their cut no matter what happens.  They don't want a bunch of 
people betting on the 49ers for instance because even though they 
might win big if the Bills win, they might lose big if the 49ers win.

Really, what you're betting against is the collective intelligence of 
all the other people betting on the game.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Two Great Plays (was Re: Cowboys 23, Redskins 10)
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:47:01 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:

>By the way, the instant replay CONCLUSIVELY demonstrated that the ball
>WAS NOT INTERCEPTED by Darrell Green (obviously because DAN DIERDORF said so).


I thought it was Mayhew, not Green.  (just wondering...)

-- 
Gary Blickhan   "Urgent baseball news- In a risky deal, the Angels sent pitcher
Dean Chance to the Phillies for outfielder Oscar Gamble. Also, a three-way deal
sent infielder Dave Cash to Detroit, slugger Norm Cash and backup Ron Cash to
Milwaukee, and infielder Don Money to Pittsburgh. Detroit made a profit."
From: wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Bailey
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:03:36 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

This is response to the Bailey discussion on why he was cut...I did
not know how to reply to the message and post to the net using gnus
but did know how to just post....Anyways...There was a post by Al
Sorhaindo...I think...talking about recievers and speed etc...
Well Steve Largent was not a speedster by no means...I think he ran
like a 4.6 or 4.7 40....I am not positive about that but I do know he
was not fast....Lateral quickness can be just as important as speed,
maybe even more so....Especially when most DB's are not slow
themselves.  Speed can deffinately be a factor I know that.  I just
felt I needed to post and say that speed and weight are not everything.
I play reciever myself...I am not extremely fast(4.7 40) But I do have
good hands and lateral quickness...I seem to get open just fine
anytime....If you have good hands...and can get open...hell with great
hands you don't even have to get "wide open" ...you find a way to
catch the ball...weight means nothing...as a reciever...what counts is
strength and you don't have to weigh in at 250 lbs to be strong...I
know guys that weigh no more then 150 lbs that are as strong as many
250 lbers....okay now I am babbling so I will shut up now..:^)
				-Wes
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Webster Slaughter holdout will be LOOOONG
Date: 11 Sep 1992 15:31:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mdh@mlb.semi.harris.com (Mark Hanson) says:

>Man, you gotta be dreamin'
>Nobody, I mean Nobody is gonna give up those type of people and
>picks for Webster Slaughter. Certainly not Richmond Webb, Mark Duper,
>and some draft picks (just to help out the Browns).
>It's a dog eat dog world out there.
>A beat up old receiver like Slaughter might get Louis Oliver and
>a mid round pick at best out of the Dolphins.
>The other suggested trades are just as bad.

     I don't think "beat up old receiver" adequately defines him.  He was
not thrown to very much last year, because the Browns went to more of a run-
oriented game.  He is only 30 or so; I see him as able to make a comeback
much like James Lofton.  Even if he's only good for 3-4 more season, in a
wide-open offense he can still grab 60-70 balls a season.  Looking at Monk,
Lofton, Largent, and all the other good receivers who have played into their
mid- or late 30s recently, I see it as quite possible if he's in shape.  I
can't belive, as a Bills' fan, you would ignore this possibility, with Lofton
on your team. (I assume from the "go Bills" in your .sig that you are one.)
     As for the draft picks, don't forget that we can always give up our
#1, and the Browns may very well have the first pick, or close to it, the
way things are looking.
     I will say this, though - the number of potential trades looks much
less promising now that the players have won their lawsuit, because the
draft may not exist next year.  If that happens, our chances of getting
some help are much less.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain