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From: jastriet@nyx.cs.du.edu (Julie Strietelmeier)
Subject: Genesis Deluxe
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 03:48:05 GMT


I'm a Sysop of a great package  called Genesis Deluxe 5.0. Are there any
other Genesis Sysops out there? If so, write me at :  
julie@cel.cummins.com

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.dcom.modems
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: DS bugs (was: Re: USRobotics SysOp deal)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 03:53:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <7T4mqB2w165w@zswamp.UUCP> geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh) writes:
>brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>
>> But who is going to get excited about a 16.8K non-standard modem when you
>> can get a 14.4k standard one?  It's just not worth the hassle.
>
>   Solution: buy a dual standard modem and cover both bases.
>
I have stopped recommending USR-DS modems to my customers because they
are considerably less compatible with the wide range of other vendors
modems out there than the standard HST models.  When you have to play
around with half a dozen registers (compression, speed lock, etc.)
simply to connect a DS to another modem, which was never a problem with
the old-reliable v.32bis HST, that 2.4K increase becomes irrelevant.

Roger (marquis@netcom.com)

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mclement@access.digex.com (Matt Clement)
Subject: Re: Prodigy -> InterNet
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:42:08 GMT

jmiksich@iowegia.uucp (John Miksich) writes:

>I read in "Computer Shopper", I believe, an article that said 
>Prodigy expects to have a link with Internet by fall.  Of what 
>year, though, is another story..  <G>  I'll try to find it..
> 
>jmiksich@iowegia.uucp - John Miksich

John - what prodigy intends to do is offer Internet E-mail - the same thing
BIX, Compuserve, and some others offer.  It would not be a realtime connection.

-- Matt
mclement@digex.com
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:01:33 GMT

sandy@godzilla.quotron.com (Sanford Zelkovitz) writes:

>Actually, if I am not mistaken, the $495 price is when you buy it with a 
>Dell computer! The actual price for Dell Unix is much more. It turns out that
>Dell costs more than Esix, if you purchase it without a Dell computer.

But it comes with so much more.  Comparing Dell SVR4 with ESIX SVR4
is like comparing apples and oranges.   Dell comes with everything
but the kitchen sink.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
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From: hermit@am.ucsc.edu (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Wanted: Borland C++-compatible Zmodem source code
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:47:00 GMT
Reply-To: hermit@bayview.com
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


I'm looking for a Zmodem module that I can compile and insert into the
BBS I am working on.  I do NOT want a "door" or any other kind of
external program.  What I'm looking for is C or C++ source code that
can be patched into an existing program.

If anyone has information about such a beast, please send me mail
(note: the reply-to field is "hermit@bayview.com"--if you send mail to
"hermit@am.ucsc.edu" it will NOT get to me and will NOT bounce.) or
post to alt.bbs about it.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: vancleef@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef--RCS)
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.145722.29768@panix.com>, fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
|> 
|> No, you moron.  Of course you don't let illegal information stay on your
|> computer.  Of course you don't let a user who posts illegal information
|> stay on your computer.  But if you take the initiative and inform the
|> police about that person, then you most certainly ARE a "[explitive
|> deleted] pig"

The original poster that if they saw someone post a stolen number 
(credit card, sprint access code {I forget which}) they would inform 
the authorities. 

    I agree 100%!!

Do you think so little of the rights of the victim of a crime that you
would defend the crook and allow the crime to continue? The minimum that
any good citizen should do is intervien to stop the crime by informing
the victim that their number has been compromised.

Too many people state that "it is not my responsibility." If anyone is
posts any illegal items on my BBS, after all the warnings I have placed
in my info files, they will get what they deserve - a call from the
authorities.

I refuse to be part of the problem. I try to be part of the solution.

Bob
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From: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux
Keywords: Fidonet
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
Organization: The Business Card (BBS), Lawrence, MA - Data: 508-682-5329

elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

> Gawd, I remember those days.  One of the things that would really piss off so
> of the net coordinators was when someone would subscribe to a busy mailing li
> (like ADND-L).  Get a couple of users like that in your area and you were
> sucking in lots of mail from your uucp host, then dumping it right back to yo
> NC.  I didn't mind so much, but some of those guys really freaked at the
> increased traffic.

Exactly.  But, more to the point is when I'd offer to take the NC's job for
him!  Oh, NO; you can't do THAT, Murph!  See what I mean?  Why not?  Shoot,
what's the big deal; the guy's complaining about the increased traffic and I'm
the one generating it and am willing to handle my traffic AND that of my
network at the same time as solving the NC's problem of the increased traffic.

It's just an ego trip for these guys and that's about it.  They're looking at
their positions all wrong - they're there to help the network to the best of
their ability.  When it becomes to much for them, they should stop
volunteering.  Nope, they like that neat /0 number and the bully-boss power
that comes with it.

So, here you'd sit, offering a service that everyone else really wants and no
way to get it to them.  In the meantime, my own system is bogging down with
the traffic that doesn't move fast enough.  The NC can't or won't help, he
won't step aside and you can't get rid of him.  In my case, I asked the Hubs
to help me move the traffic and they agreed.  Even THAT pissed off my NC and
eventually got me thrown out!  Can you imagine that?  Sheesh!

Where's Mr. Randy Bush now?  :-)  :-)
I wonder how HE'D suggest I handle a situation like that?  <sigh>

> > Ahhh, the good ol'days.  Hey, Ed, I understand you're the moderator of
> > alt.ketchup.  How long do you think that group will last?  :-)
> 
> hehehehehe...no I only mentioned alt.ketchup to twist Larry's tail a bit afte
> he mentioned the 2500 newsgroups.

I know.  :-)  I just brought it up to bring back the good ol'days of the
debate on V-Net echos coming and going with the breeze.  'Member that?

                         Your friend in Lawrence, Massachusetts...
                                      - - - Murph

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   The Business Card (BBS), Lawrence, Massachusetts - Data: (508) 682-5329
   SysAdmin:  murph@buscard.fidonet.org / ...!ulowell!wizvax!buscard!murph
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: BBS Trial
Keywords: bbs new test evaluate
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:25:41 GMT

In article <Bu9s5J.3LK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa writes:

>Is there any BBS software that is available for free or low 
>cost that is worthwhile?  Networking in the future would be
>desirable, and anything that can co-exist with my local ethernet
>is a plus.

WWIV is shareware, with a two-month trial period and a registration cost
of $50.  It's not "crippleware", the unregistered version works
perfectly... registration just gets you the source code.  If you want to
try it, call me at 217-352-3682 and logon as "NEW".  You can download the
latest version there also.  (v32bis!)

As for networking, I'm in two national networks (using proprietary
software), I'll join Fidonet soon, and it can be reached through 
internet mail.  The network software is simple to use and install.

-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
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From: ericw@hub.parallan.com (Eric Wedel)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Wondering
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:23:48 GMT
Organization: Parallan Computer, Mountain View CA

adol@heroes.UUCP (Adol Christain) writes:

> 
>      Looking at the Waffle docs, it seems possible to run Waffle as a 
> door from another BBS.  (in dos.doc, how to disable the "bye" command).  
> I was wondering how this is possible, how to run Waffle and have it not 
> go to the waiting for call mode, but to go straight to the login prompt.
> 
>    --Adol

We run waffle purely as a mail/news gateway, so use this mode exlusively.
Waffle 1.64's manual.doc discusses how, and 1.64 includes in the bin
directory a file login.bat which uses the following forms:
        waffle local
        waffle online <username>
The "local" version sounds like what you want, as it prompts for username 
and password.  "online" logs in the given user, *bypassing the password 
prompt*.  Of course, both of these are operating on the local system, and
not via serial port.  manual.doc describes the alternate "online" syntax
        waffle online [ <baud rate> ] [ <username> ]
but I haven't had occasion to try this.  It's not clear what parameter
is used to specify the com port, maybe "device : ..." in the static file?

BTW, does anyone know how to supply a username ala "online" but preserve
the password prompt, at least when a non-blank password is involved?

-- Eric
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 18:35:22 -0400 
From: Kenton Shaver <ks3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: tymnet, telenet....

Is anyone here using tymnet or telnet local
dialups to lower their long distance rates?

From what I've heard, one can call a tymnet local
dialup in some places, for example, go through their
network that I think transmits data in packets, and
then be sent out by a tymnet office at the other end
with a reverse-dialup.  It was talked about alot as the
method that the techno-criminal in Germany used to get
onto his US internet connections.

Any Tymnet employees out there?

KWS
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Nixpub meaning
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 14:04:25 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:

> In article <Btz935.1Cv@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) write
> > kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
> >
> >>"Open Access UNIX (*NIX) Sites [ Fee/No Fee] for mapped sites only"
> >
> > Right there answers the question --
> >
> > it doesn't say Minix
> > it doesn't say Lunix
> > it doesn't say Linux
> > it doesn't say QNX
> > it doesn't say Coherent
> > it doesn't say DOS
> >
> > It says UNIX.  If it doesn't say UNIX, it should not be included
> > in the list.   Real UNIX is UNIX, not some variation.  If it doesn't
> > have the AT&T/USL Copyright, then I guess it isn't UNIX.
>
> Then what is (*NIX) ?   I thought that "*" was the "wildcard" character, thus
> *NIX could apply to part of that list. (Minix, Linix, Linux). And If I put
> up a SPARC running SUNos and make it public access, does it, then not qualify
>
>
>

I was taught that *NIX was a way of avoiding using AT&T's trademark.  Kind of
like saying 'cola' instead of Coke, so you cover Pepsi, RC, whatever.  Given
that interpretation, I've always taken *NIX to mean Unix and Xenix, and now
that we've got Minix, Linux, etc., I'd lump them in there also.

Why is this thread on alt.bbs anyway?



|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:25:34 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>> How about some details on what you mean by 'fidonet networking':

>The current term you'll find in the docs of programs like BinkleyTerm (a
>fidonet-compatible comm package) is 'fidonet technology.'  There's still only
>one 'Fidonet (tm),' which is fidonet.org in this world, but there are bunches
>of 'fidonet technology' networks, meaning they use the same comm programs, same
>mail processing packages, etc., but the nodes that are linked are not part of
>Fidonet.

Thanks. I thought as much but I wanted to make sure. 

>> Do you mean you are part gated to and/or a part of Fidonet?
>> (I think not.)

>This concept gets confusing, since many of the comm/mailer packages that do
>fidonet-technology can be set up to accomodate a site that's in multiple
>networks.  This means that a node can take calls from nodes in different nets
>with the same software.  The user calling that BBS sees it all, which can lead
>to confusion.

I guess I should have made the question clearer and separated the
hard/soft links from the administrative links. Are these networks
part of or connected to FidoNet administratively? 

>> Do you mean you use the Fidonet network transport protocol?
>> (I think so.)

>See above.  Yeah, that's what makes these nets so easy to form up.  It also
>accounts for the rapid growth of many of the more popular ones.  Since joining
>a net is merely a matter of some modifications to the config files of an
>existing site, it's really easy to add another one on.

I can understand that part OK. It's pretty easy to set up UUCP links
to other machines as well. Juice (Japan) runs UUCP as the network
transport protocol among a bunch of machines with a gateway to JUNET
for USENET news and local mail. 

>> Do you mean you use the Fidonet administrative policy document (no
>> idea.)

>Most of the 'OtherNets' have their own policy documents.  Some are modelled
>after Fidonet, others are radically different.  Some have very little written
>policy at all.

That sort of answers my question above, but are some of the machines
on these OtherNets have hard/soft links to FidoNet as well? 

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: vancleef@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef--RCS)
Subject: Re: ??? interest
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:46:06 GMT

In article <yury.02wg@bknight.jpr.com>, yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
|> 
|> 	Does anyone know of a BBS for either the IBM or for an Amiga that
|> would handle 2 lines incoming and be able to handle UUCP/INTERNET News and
|> MAIL without having having it take over your system every time it does
|> news and things.
|> 

Check out Waffle for MS-DOS. You can run multiple instances under Windows,
and still use the system for other applications at the same time.

See Comp.bbs.waffle for more information.

Bob
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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:14:59 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <83kyqB3w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>
>The other I was actively involved with was PODnet, the Pagan-Occult
>Distribution Network.  The title of this one explains it all.  The groups here
>dealt with religion, paganism, mysticism, tarot, i ching, and other occult
>topics.  The newsgroups alt.pagan and alt.magick were gated into this net.

 My BBS, The Sacred Grove, is the Seattle, WA Hub for PODnet.

Wassail,
Grendel

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Shame on Fidonet
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:34:58 GMT

From article <gJVXqB1w165w@buscard.fidonet.org>, by murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy):
> appoint a new server/administrator.  Administrators should be slave to those
> they serve.
> 
> the responsibility, cost, and work that goes along with it.  _That_ is the
> shame of Fidonet.

	Or the occasional "thank you" either.  I'm not saying that fidonet
administators (some of them) don't deserve the kind of cutting you gave them
-I have heard stories about such gross abuse.  However, in my net (325),
things have always run more or less smoothly and there is *great* dialogue
and connection between the SysOps in it.  If we don't like what our admin
is doing, we tell him so and he doesn't "get back" at us.  A few weeks ago
someone very verbally complained that they had not received a node number
for about a month.  He probably said it more abusively than he needed to,
and because of that, had I been in our administator's shoes, I might not
have reacted as favorably and responsively as he did.

	IMHO, administation in fidonet is not much different than
usenet.  You have your good guys and your bad guys.

 TTYL
 Chris
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: 12 Sep 92 08:17:37 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

...
>> I guess I should have made the question clearer and separated the
>> hard/soft links from the administrative links. Are these networks
>> part of or connected to FidoNet administratively?

>No.  All of them have separate administrative types.  As I said, there's so
>much overlap among these systems that it's all very confusing.  It's not
>unusual for someone in one city to be a co-ordinator in multiple nets.  This is
>normally someone with a big hard drive, faster modem, etc.

Sounds technically interesting/challenging but administration
could be tricky as the conventions/policies of one network don't
necessarily hold with the other. There was an short attempt to gateway
some fido stuff to alt.allsysops (I think it was called). It worked
OK technically but the (alleged) rules of Fido didn't hold on USENET
and it never came to anything.

>> >Most of the 'OtherNets' have their own policy documents.  Some are modelled
>> >after Fidonet, others are radically different.  Some have very little writte
>> >policy at all.
>>
>> That sort of answers my question above, but are some of the machines
>> on these OtherNets have hard/soft links to FidoNet as well?
>>

>Oh, definitely.  At one time, my system was in four nets.  Fidonet, V-Net,
>PODnet, and ChateauNet.  I know of a system here in New Orleans that's in Fido,
>Rbbs-Net, KinkNet (adult), and one or two others, I believe.
>
>What ends up happening is that echomail (news) is passed within the
>'OtherNets,' while netmail (mail) is passed through Fidonet.  The OtherNets
>maintain 'ownership' of the echos (newsgroups) to keep them outside of Fidonet
>politics.  Since mail is more or less a private thing, and not really an issue
>in terms of Fidonet, its larger distribution system is used for mail.

So Fido is kept as the mail pathways and the mail goes over another.
Not quite the same as how USENET can have one path for news and can
another for mail but similar.

>This is more or less a general description.  I do know of some systems that are
>exclusively in an OtherNet, but those are very few.  Most stay in Fido for
>netmail distribution, but decline to take echomail from the Fidonet backbone.

Recently I saw something about Pactok which is a FTN (FidoTechnolgyNetwork) 
connected to the Pegasus, the APC node for Australia. They seemed to
have iron out most of the network protocols and the administrative protocols
as well....

Thanks for filling in the details re Othernet(s).

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.internet
From: swalter@nyx.cs.du.edu (DreamWeaver)
Subject: Re: GEnie Connection
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:36:00 GMT


> So, let me get this straight... if someone on GEnie wants internet 
> mail, they have to pay an EXTRA $9.95 a month???  Plus .40 for EACH 
> message sent?

That's right!

> And what happens if I send mail to someone who doesn't subscribe 
> to this...does it bounce or just get lost...

It bounces right back at you (I've tried this) with a n additional header
from the GEnie PostMaster stating that the address you're attempting to
mail isn't allowed to receive Internet Mail.

-Scotty
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Telegard, other BBS info needed.
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:58:37 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <716411828.0@helldisk.helldisk>, Robert.Presland@helldisk.helldisk.helldisk (Robert Presland) writes:
>  -> If there is another easy to use, DOS (or WIN) BBS out 
>  -> there that would support
>  -> this, I would greatly appreciate the help.
> 
> Max handles this nicely.
> 

Anyone else out there know about Max, or use it themselves?

And, where can I get a copy?

DC
From: aaronb@hotcity.COM (Aaron Bromagem)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Vbbs                 
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:33:03 PST
Organization: BBS


Well, local to me (408 area code) I know of a BBS that got it working just
fine. I am about ready to attempt it, but have to get other nets up first.

Aaron Bromagem from The Badlands BBS in San Martin California 1200-19,200
(408)683-0963 ---- 1200-2400 (408)683-0970   24 hours
aaronb@hotcity.
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