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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: request for information...
Keywords: Roto, of course
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:01:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>In article <1992Apr14.213624.21852@u.washington.edu> jbrown@milton.u.washington.edu (Jeffery Brown) writes:
>
>>4.  What is Cleveland using as closer/set-up men?
>
>Good question.  I thought that Steve Olin would get the job, but surprise!
>Derek Lilliquist got their first save of the season in the first game of the
>double-header...  How he still has a major league job is beyond me, let alone
>getting save opportunities...

I think Lilliquist was pitching in the save situation because the Indians'
bullpen was pooped from the 19 inning game the day before. In particular,
Olin pitched 3-1/3 (scoreless) innings, so probably wasn't available
Sunday.  At least I hope that's the case, 'cause I've got him on my team,
too.

-Steve

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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Jody Reed bashing
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:45:44 GMT

In article <2150@transfer.stratus.com>
dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
 
>In article <1992Apr13.153322.22984@cco.caltech.edu>, jeffp@cco.caltech.edu (Jeffrey E. Prisberg) writes:
>> roger@thoreau.nsc.com ( Roger Wakefield) writes:
>>
>: About J. Reed...
>: in the field.  He's got above-average range, but it can be deceptive if
>: >you don't watch him a lot, and he had a strong arm even when he was a
>" >shortstop, which makes it way above average for a 2B.
>:
>: On thing to keep in mind is that the reason Reed was moved to 2B was
>: that he was having difficulty with the throw from SS to 1B.  Aparently,
>: over the course of many games at SS, Reed would hurt his arm.  I can't
>: remember who initiated the change, but I do remember that that was the
>: reason.
>:
>
>Funny, I live in Boston and I don't remember any such reason for moving Reed
>to second base.  My impression was that they had depth at short-stop, but not
>at second base.
>
>> jeffp
>
>--
>
>Dan S.
 
I have the same memory.  The Red Sox had other shortstops, but only an
aging Barrett at second.  Reed played both positions...SS when Barrett
was in and 2B when he wasn't.  The concern was that the constant
adjustment between the two positions might hurt his arm, not that
playing SS would do so.
 
Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: NO-HITTERS
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:19:28 EDT

     I've been following this no-hitter thread, and I have to say
this protest against the rule that "robbed" Matt Young of a no-hitter
has gotten out of hand.  First of all, as has been pointed out, who
cares what the Rules Committee says?  It has no affect on how the game
is played, it's just a title somebody made up for a (supposedly) great
pitching feat.  And speaking of great, just what was so great about
the way Young pitched?  He walked *seven* batters; is it that surprising
that he gave up two runs?  He pitched a good game, like any pitcher who
goes 8 innings and gives up 2 runs, but it was hardly a historic effort.
Clemens pitched a better game in the second half of the doubleheader,
yielding 0 runs on just 2 hits and 3 walks.
     Still, it's silly that the Rules Committee bothers to define the
term "no-hitter" at all.  I hope Young tosses a "real" no-hitter in his
next start, when the Committee would have to deal with the VanderMeer
question.  It'd serve 'em right.
 
Jeff Caveney
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:05:33 GMT

In article <14290@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.171344.6490@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>>The final offer the Pirates made to Bonilla was $22.5 million.  If it isn't
>>competitive, in what sense is it serious?  
>
>It was close enough to some of the other offers that it shouldn't
>have been perceived as a joke. It probably was the maximum that
>the Pirates felt they could offer. That is why it was serious.
>It just wasn't in the same league as what the Mets could offer,
>which is why it wasn't very competitive.

The problem with a non-competitive offer is that I see no way of knowing
from the outside if the offer was indeed serious or if it was just a
face-saving offer.  It was uncompetitive enough that there was little
danger Bonilla would actually accept it.

>>What I don't understand is why these people get so upset over it.  I'm well
>>aware of the reasons people have presented here for being so down on
>>Bonilla, I just don't understand why those things have those people so
>>upset.  So what if Bonilla talked about looking out for his family (Heaven
>>forbid!) when talking about his contract desires?  
>
>As for myself, I don't think "upset" is the work I would use.

No, I wouldn't use that term in describing you, either.  Given the venom
expressed in some of the postings by others here in the past, however,
"upset" is probably mild.

>somehow engineered by his agent. Maybe if he hadn't been portrayed
>as so nice when he first came here, it wouldn't have mattered. 

And maybe the change was less in his attitude, but in how he was portrayed.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:10:35 -0400 
From: Michael Scott Neiberg <mn1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
	<reynard.703458551@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu!>

I'd have to say Roger Clemens shows no signs of slowing down and could
certainly go down as one of the best at his position.  He's certainly
the best I've ever seen.


Michael Neiberg

Carnegie Mellon University
Department of History

"I don't want to repeat my innocence.  I simply want the pleasure of
losing it again."  F. Scott Fitzgerald

LET'S GO BUCS
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:14:10 GMT
Subject: Most Likely To Lose No-Hitters
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

As everyone is surely aware by now, Matt Young has now joined Andy Hawkins in
the "pitch an unofficial no-hitter and lose" category.

Matt Young and Andy Hawkins.

For some reason, this seems, I don't know, fair and just.  This sort of thing
never happens to the Nolan Ryan's, Dwight Gooden's, or Roger Clemens' of the
world.  It happens to the Andy Hawkins' and Matt Young's.

My list of "most likely to pitch unofficial no-hitters and lose":

Eric Show
Storm Davis
Jose DeLeon
Frank Tanana
Tommy John (if he tries a comeback)

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                           going into the most "clutch" at bat of his life
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fred McGriff
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:00:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fred McGriff for HoF Scones Social Club, Ltd.

>navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
>>claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>>navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:

>>>	Yeah, not only can I think of a person with a better swing, I can
>>>think of two, two first baseman, both national leaguers: Will Clark and
>>>Mark Grace.
>>
>>If Grace has a better swing than McGriff, why doesn't he produce offensively?

>	Come now, I wasn't refering to offensive numbers when I was
>comparing Grace's swing to McGriff's. They are two different hitters
>who get paid to do different things. For what Mark gets paid to do
>he does it very well -- and in case you're confused, Mark gets paid to
>get on base and move runners along and to drive them in when they are
>in scoring position. He is not paid to hit home runs and get 100+ RBIs 
>(for one he can't really because he is not a power hitter and that job
>is reserved for Dawson, Sandberg (and Bell last year). Even though his
>numbers were a bit down last year, he did hit well when he was supposed
>to. This year, with him batting primarily 3rd or 5th, you will probably
>see him drive in 90+ rbi's.  

McGriff's JOB and Grace's JOB are exactly the same thing - to help
their teams win games.  This perception that different people on the
team have different *jobs* has always annoyed me.  And Fred McGriff
does a better job of it than Grace.

Even the getting on base part - Grace lifetime OBP is about .375 - in
Wrigley Field.  Call it .360-.365.  Very respectable.  Very nice.
His SLG is about .415 - in Wrigley Field.  Be friendly.  Call it .400.

That's a .765 OPS, with EXCELLENT defense - perhaps a few runs a year
different over a normal 1Bman.  Perhaps Sherri can shed light on
exactly how many.  (Of course, Sherri was OUT on Saturday night,
shamefully having dinner with her husband, rather than working on DA.
Shame!)  (Of course, I know this because I was there with Kathy
instead of working on the FAQ.  :-)

Grace is a fairly valuable 1Bman.

McGriff, on the other hand, is on a HoF pace, posting a career .390+
OBP, and .530 slugging, for a .920 OPS, while playing roughly league
average defense at 1B.

I'll give Grace the defensive edge.  But not enough to cover 150+
points of OPS.

>	I don't want to take away anything from McGriff though -- he has
>had some start this year.

And some career.  Save HoF room for him.  He'll probably deserve it.


-- 
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Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:52:36 -0400 
From: King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rickey's Defense (was Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms)!

On 15-Apr-92 in Re: Rickey Henderson v Nola..
user Gary S. S. Huckabay@madr writes:
> [interesting, but not relevant to this post, stuff about racism deleted]
> 
> 
>As for the comparison - IMHO, there's no comparison.  Rickey's the guy
>I want on my team.  Lifetime .404 OBP, and .440 SLG, while playing in
>tough hitter's parks.  In a neutral park, probably .415 and .460.  Oh
>yeah, and he steals a base or 1300.  For probably the equivalent of
>200 extra runs over his career when its over.  And he plays good
>defense - probably worth 130 runs over league average when his career
>is over.

I watched Rickey daily when he was with the Yankees, and I had the
opinion that he had a horrible horrible arm, and although he could catch
up to some balls that few could, he didn't wasn't very good at getting
good jumps.  I know he has a very weak arm, but I'm not too sure about
fielding, since most of the time I saw him was on TV, so I didn't really
get to see his jumps on the balls, but during the times I was at the
park, it seemed like he had a bad time.

>Rickey has been the best offensive player of the past ten years.
> 
>Ryan has been at his peak late in his career.  But face it - the guys
>has never been as good as you'd like to think.  5500 Ks are cute.
>But 2600+ walks are ugly.  His ERA is about 10% better than league
>average over his career.
> 
>Rickey in a walk.  Get it?  A WALK?  Hee Hee Hee...
>(You see, Rickey walks a lot, and Nolan gives up a lot of walks...)

This is funny. 
 
>Hey, it was funny when Tate said I had to include it!  Thank David
>Tate for that joke.
> 
>Rickey in a walk.  Get it?  Get it?  A walk...  (


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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: FSU in the ACC
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:08:28 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Apr9.143515.25122@hubcap.clemson.edu> mptaylo@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Taylor) writes:
>>
>>The real question involves who in the ACC is going to give FSU some
>>decent competition? Inside the ACC, FSU will be virtually unbeatable.
>
>Er....Clemson beat em 3 straight at home.  Unbeatable.  I think not.  Maybe it
>was 2.  But we won.

It was a sweep.  First losses by aces on the staff, if memory is correct. 

Whoever wrote that first remark was clearly unaware of the history of FSU 
games against ACC competition, particularly in NCAA regional action.  We 
have always had tough games with teams like Georgia Tech.  The Metro was 
full of patsies and FSU could sweep a series while resting pitchers for 
the big games with U-F and Miami.  

BTW, the weekend series with Miami is being carried by the Prime network 
if anyone is interested and has that sports channel on their cable system. 
Always a good match, and the place should be rocking.

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Collegiate Baseball Top 25 (4/13)
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:13:40 GMT

1.	Miami (Fla)		31-5	495	2
2.	Clemson			36-6	490	3
3.	Wichita State		31-4	486	1
4.	Texas			33-9	482	7
5.	Hawaii			29-6	480	5

6.	Louisiana State		29-6	479	4
7.	Pepperdine		28-9-1	476	8
8.	Oklahoma State		29-10	464	9
9.	Florida			30-11	459	6
10.	Cal State-Northridge	25-7-1	452	20

11.	Long Beach State	23-14	450	10
12.	Cal State-Fullerton	28-11	447	16
13.	Arizona			23-15	444	14
14.	Arizona State		25-14	443	12
15.	Creighton		22-10	439	-

16.	Indiana State		28-8	437	13
17.	South Alabama		29-7	434	19
18.	North Carolina State	34-9	430	17
19.	Florida State		30-13	429	15
20.	Tennessee		27-9	428	22

21.	Georgia Tech		29-8	426	21
22.	Notre Dame		18-9	424	23
23.	Kentucky		26-9	420	11
24.	Arkansas		23-15	416	-
25.	Stanford		23-15	415	-

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From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Texas A&M / UT
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:23:21 GMT
Organization: Fightin' Texas A&M Baseball!

In article <7APR199214512658@zeus.tamu.edu> mcr0193@zeus.tamu.edu (ROBERTSON, MATTHEW C) writes:
>
>>The Austin paper prints the status of all former SWC players
>>in the minors on a weekly basis. Will probably start in a few
>>weeks. Warning on this, though: the stats are pretty far from
>>being accurate, although they are getting better in recent years.
>
>It figures, but then again the Statesman is a real newspaper and the
>Bryan Eagle is toilet paper. Of course, they cover A&M sports well though
>and that's waht I'm really into. However, I think I saw something like that in
>the Chronicle (Houston) one time, I'll have to check it out.....
>

	PARDON ME?!? The _Statesman_ is a "real" paper?

	Having lived in Austin for the last two years, I can
	safely say that the _Statesman_ is a waste of trees ---
	to me, it's much like the _Beagle_, only with more
	pages.

	I think you're right about the _Chronicle_; I, too, seem
	to remember them posting minor league players' updates
	(on weekends, I think).

- Vince

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From: rollins_r@mims.enet.dec.com (Rick Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Georgia Tech wins
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:16:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


After losing to Mercer, 4-2, in Macon on Wednesday, Georgia Tech came
back to beat Georgia State, 13-1, on Thursday.  Georgia State, which is
playing its first baseball season since 1986, fell to 2-19, while Tech
improved to 30-9.  Tech hosts UNC in a three-game ACC set this weekend,
with Friday night's and Sunday's games being televised on the Sports South
network.


Russ Chandler Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia (night)
Georgia State (2-19)    0 0 0   0 0 1   0 0 0  -  1  3  6
Georgia Tech (30-9)	0 1 2   1 3 2   0 4 x  - 13 13  0

Robert Harrell, Brian Potter (4), Scot Lougher (5), Dan Gaskill (6),
Kevin Campbell (8), Tim Starling (8), Brock Radaker (8), John Sharpe (8) and
John Sharpe, Ppr (8) ;  Al Gogolin, Mike Martin (7), Michael Jerzembeck (8),
Andy Somoza (9) and Brandon Hensley, Matt Barr (4).  W- Al Gogolin 3-0.
L- Robert Harrell 0-9.  HR- Brock Radaker, GSU (2).
From: alh@cypress.com (Andy Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Calling all Razorbacks
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:47:43 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball.college
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center


>>>>> With the departure of Arkansas,
>>>>> to the SEC....

Any Arkansas fans out there planning on attending the
Super-Bulldog Weekend Thrashing of the Razorbacks.

4/25 - 4/26,
At Dudy Noble Field,
On the campus of THE university in Mississippi,
MISSISSIPPI STATE UNIVERSITY.

Come look us up.  We'll be under the scoreboard in
Right-Center on the BIG Maroon Trailer.  Just remember
bring your COOLER, your HUGGER, your LAWN CHAIR,

"AND LET'S PLAY BALL!!!!!"

Go Dawgs
Andy
--
Andrew L. Hawkins, Senior Design Engineer, alh@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center, Starkville, Mississippi
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From: tjb5107@venus.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Brian Cisarik
Keywords: none
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:04:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  Anyone out there heard anything about a former Longhorn Brian Cisarik?
  He use to live next door to me in Houston, but since he got drafted by the 
  Padres I've lost contact.  	Does anyone know if he made it to AAA this 
  spring?
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Miami sweeps FSU; ACC update
Summary: retirement party for Ron Fraser
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:25:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <8192@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes...
# Story of the series: Miami speed (9 SB vs 2 CS), balanced hitting, and 
# solid pitching and defense.  They should make it to Omaha. 

The thing I want to know is which hats were they wearing?  I was horrorstruck
to hear that they had switched to white hats at the beginning of the
season, then changed back to the more familiar green and orange ones
a few games in.  So which was it, white or green?  I'll have to adjust
my wardrobe to reflect your answer.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
From: arw@cypress.com (Allen White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: SEC Standings
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:04:03 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

Here are the SEC standings as of 4/13/92:

    SEC Baseball Standings
    Western Division
    Team              Won Lost Win%  GB
    ====================================
    Louisiana State     9   3 0.750  --
    Arkansas            7   4 0.636 1.5
    Mississippi State   7   5 0.583 2.0
    Mississippi         4   7 0.364 4.5
    Auburn              4   8 0.333 5.0
    Alabama             3   9 0.250 6.0

    SEC Baseball Standings
    Eastern Division
    Team              Won Lost Win%  GB
    ====================================
    Kentucky            8   4 0.667  --
    Tennessee           8   4 0.667  --
    Florida             7   5 0.583 1.0
    Georgia             5   6 0.455 2.5
    Vanderbilt          5   6 0.455 2.5
    South Carolina      3   9 0.250 5.0

--
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Cypress Southeast Design Center, Starkville, Mississippi
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From: fruitsab@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Beau Fruits)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Texas A&M / UT
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:41:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

First, I would like to congratulate Indiana St., whom I failed to note in
earlier postings about Indiana teams.  I am sorry to all you ISU fans out there.

Second, I know this is supposed to be about college baseball, but I would 
like to congratulate the Cubs on their 4-3 opening victory over the Phillies.

beau
fruitsab@expert.cc.purdue.edu
From: SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Texas A&M / UT
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:25:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 1670

>In article <19920408093026SASCHO@mvs.sas.com> SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO) writes:
>>The biggest advantage of Turf is the # of games you can get in. It
>>is very hard to get a rainout with turf. That is the biggest reason
>>for schools installing it. Infielders love it, too, cuz the hops
>>are a lot truer (except for seams), though the ball gets to you
>>a LOT quicker.
>
>All valid points.  But also, how many times have you seen a sharply hit ball
>bounce over the head of an infielder when he would have had it on grass.
>I've also seen ground rule doubles on turf that could have been triples
>stuck in a corner on grass.  Turf just bounces too much.
>
>Plus, a well-mowed field really adds to the game, IMHO.  Cool looking
>green stripes...
>
>Jeff
 
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather see grass than turf anyday. Nothing
reminds me of baseball more than the smell of fresh cut grass. I
think Olsen field is one of the best facilities in the nation. I
was just playing devil's advocate for turf. They have, however,
developed new turf that doesn't bounce as much. Speaking of turf,
anyone out there a Miami (FLA) fan? I'm not sure about now, but in
'85, they had the worst turf imaginable. Like playing on green
asphalt. And the Miami fans were concerned that the players might
be disappointed when they had to play at Disch-Falk the next year.
Like comparing a little league park to Wrigley field.
I was a catcher, so I was in dirt no matter what. :-)
 
BTW, not trying to flame Miami, just that people don't realize
the quality of several facilities around the nation.
 
 
Chuck Oertli
SAS INSTITUTE INC.
AUSTIN, TX                               SASCHO@MVS.SAS.COM
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