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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Worrell to the Dodgers!!!!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:52:16 GMT
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Organization: Boo!  

In <1992Dec12.110340.9736@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:

>In article <1992Dec12.014034.26071@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>>
>>
>>And I have no idea what makes you think he's a potentially great
>>leadoff hitter.  It's possible he could be a decent one.  But I 
>>wouldn't expect him to ever maintain an OBP over .370, and he is
>>a menace to his own team on the basepaths.
>>

>I think you're making a rash judgement on only one season of full play.

>Rickey Henderson had a .338 OBP in his first season.

Well, yes, but in his first full season he had a .420 OBP.  

>Brett Butler didn't start htting the .390s until his 7th year in the majors.

That's true; Butler's a better argument.  His first full season's OBP was
about 10 points higher, but the again he was playing in a hitter's paradise
and Offerman is in a terrible hitters' park.

>Besides, Offerman had great minor league numbers and for some reason
>until the second half of last year, he couldn't hit.

Well, not really:

        AVG   OBP   ALG
1st H   .254  .329  .326
2nd H   .267  .332  .341

Not an appreciable difference, really.


Also, his minor league equivalencies aren't overwhelmingly impressive.

        AVG   OBP    SLG
1989    .230  .297   .279  
1990    .293  .373   .356 
1991    .251  .330   .277 

The Dodgers invariably overrate their hitting prospects because of
Alberquerque.  Still, 1990 was quite impressive, and if he can do
that again, he would be a good leadoff hitter.

I'm not writing Offerman off here as a leadoff hitter - I did say he
could become a decent one.  However, I think Brett Butler's growth is
rather unusual, so I think that expecting him to travel that path is
a major reach.

Greg 
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From: garbe@jasper.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Subject: Re: All-Time A's Team
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:51:28 GMT
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Reply-To: garbe@jasper.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <1992Dec16.165257.5844@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, zurawski@cbnewse.cb.att.com (lawrence.w.zurawski) writes:
|> 
|> 	I haven't seen an All-Time A's team yet, so here goes:
|> 
|> 	1B Foxx
|> 	2B Collins
|> 	3B Baker
|> 	SS Campaneris
|> 	OF Henderson
|> 	OF Jackson
|> 	OF Simmons
|> 	C  Cochrane
|> 
|> 	SP Grove
|> 	SP Waddell
|> 	SP Plank
|> 	SP Hunter

I am not an A's fan nor know much about the pre-Oakland players but how can you
leave  Dave Stewart off of this list.    I think Stewart is the most underrated pitcher of
the past three decades.  Anyguy who can win 20+ games in four consecutive seasons
would take my number four spot.

|> 
|> 	RP Fingers
|> 	RP Eckersley
|> 
|> 	Manager Mack
|> 
|> 	This team stacks up pretty well alongside the other All-Time teams.
|> 
|> 	Larry Zurawski
|> 	zurawski@ihlpm.att.com
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Subject: Re: Royals' All-Time Lineup (Hey, the other teams
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:27:24 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <1992Dec10.073804@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>Don't forget J.L.Washington, much better bat than Buddy, but can't remember
>his fielding ability.

If it matters, that was supposed to be U.L. Washington.
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Astros rotation
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:02:25 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego



So, looks like Drabek, Swindell, Harnisch for sure.  Who will
fill out the rest of the rotation?  Will Kile get a chance?
Jimmy Jones (!)? 

Dave

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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: joe carter and others
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:40:46 GMT

In <ly_rtzm@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) writes:

>Ya gotta have money to make money, bub...as a matter of fact, though, I did, in
>fact, make about $200 on the Blue Jays' victory this year.  Once one starts
>betting on games, of course, one isn't even talking about sabermetrics anymore,
>but psychology (what's the public perception of talent, rather than what the
>talent really is?)

Shouldn't the stathead have a huge advantage over those who bet according to
the "public perception" of talent?

>Here, however, is the standard argument against relying on personal observation
>to judge quality.  "Very few people see a wide enough sample of fielders, or 
>fielding chances for a lot of fielders, to form anything but the sketchiest 
>of impressions regarding the comparative quality of fielders."

I agree with this totally.  I myself don't see near enough games to judge
objectively.  But some people do.  Managers and other players do.  And
they don't need stats to tell them what is going on.

>>I don't think there is any doubt that next year Maddux will be the ace of the
>>WS winning staff.

>Maybe in your mind...I don't think the Braves will do it.

>And ya wanna know something?

>ALL THE STATS SAY THEY WILL!!!  I'M A GUT FEELING KINDA GUY!!!!

rather daring, what?

>>Sure.  Let's dismantle a World Series winning team and gamble that in a few
>>years some of our youngsters can duplicate what we already have right now. 

>Only three of the players who were starters in the A's 1988 division title were
>starters in 1992.

Were half of the '88 starters gone the very next year?

>In 1989, the Twins speeded the "dismantling" of their 1987 core by trading
>Frank Viola for, among other people, Tapani and Aguilera.  These two were 
>important cogs in the 1991 championship.

They had to trade him.  He was about to declare free agency and they couldn't
afford to sign him.

>>Never mind the fact that some fans actually *enjoy* watching Carter and
>>White and their teammates perform.  The fans, that is, who enjoy watching the
>>game more than they enjoy tabulating statistics.

>Might I suggest Madonna in left, then? Lots of people enjoy seeing her perform,
>too.

Well I guess you are judging Madonna's ability based on her performance in 
that film.  If you really think that she can play at the major league level
then perhaps you had best stay with the stats.
 
>I wonder what the correlation between attendance of winning teams is with
>attendance of "entertaining" teams.  Of course, you don't; that would require
>"statistics".

No team, even if they win every year, are going to attract fans if they keep
turning over their personnel every year.  

as always, a pleasure,

rm

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From: cjwein@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Chris J. Wein)
Subject: Re: All-Time Expo team
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:19:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.043001.4620@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> falcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Scot Hughes) writes:
>
>Starters: Martinez, Rogers, Perez, Palmer, Smith
>	Not a bad rotation. Martinez is the best, closely followed by
>Rogers. Perez provided excellent pitching in his years in Montreal
>(87-89), as well as being a crowd favorite. When healthy, David Palmer
>was one of the best that the Expos had. Arm problems did him in, though.
>Smith could be counted on to win 12-15 a year with low walk totals and
>an ERA around 3.

Where's Charlie Lea?  He's certainly more of an Expo than Pesky Pascual.

>
>Relief: Marshall, Reardon, Burke
>	Three excellent relievers round out a good pitching staff.

What about Woody Fryman?  




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From: mr27092@macbeth.fmrco.com (David Hayes)
Subject: Re: '86 Sox (was: Phil Plantier traded, Boggs out the door?)
Organization: [deleted]
	<BzCyHE.9Lw@encore.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:05:38 GMT


it was Gedman's fault -- the 'wild pitch' should have been scored
a 'passed ball'.

        --dph
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Worrell to the Dodgers!!!!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:40:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boo! 

In <1garkmINNe9i@caldera.usc.edu> dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) writes:


>David Grabiner writes:

>|> Butler should lead off; Offerman had only a .331 OBP, and his 23 for 39
>|> on the basepaths last year hurt the team.  I'd drop Offerman to seventh
>|> or eighth, and move Davis toward the top if he is healthy.
>|> 

>The only way to develop a potentially great leadoff hitter is to leave him
>there, not drop him to seventh.  When Offerman was moved to the top of the
>lineup, he really took off.  I'm sure his stats were in a different world
>when he was leading off.


No, they were very much in the same world.

	AVG	OBP	SLG
Leadoff .265	.332	.343
Overall	.260	.331	.333

In other words, vurtually no change.

And I have no idea what makes you think he's a potentially great
leadoff hitter.  It's possible he could be a decent one.  But I 
wouldn't expect him to ever maintain an OBP over .370, and he is
a menace to his own team on the basepaths.

Greg
From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthday Boy's Nicknames
Summary: Oops, forgot one!
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec11.235737.7494
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I think this is accurate:

Gary "*Still* hasn't started his term paper" Huckabay


--Steve
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From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pie Traynor (was Re: Greatest Players by team)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:13:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

As many of you have successfully guessed, the "player most like Pie Traynor"
from my previous article was in fact Buddy Bell.  Now, Bell was a helluva
player, who got better and better throughout his career, but I don't think
anyone would seriously argue that he's a candidate for "best third baseman
of all time".  Traynor belongs in the same category:  helluva player, but not
one of the all-timers.

Congrats to Harold Brooks, Clay D., David Grabiner, John Franjione, Bob Holt,
Steve Smith, and anyone else I've missed who sent or posted a correct guess.

Dave

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 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Go Kelly Go
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:42:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.164925.8867@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>In the last week in Toronto, both Devon White and Jimmy Key basically
>trashed Kelly Gruber in the media openly, and Dave Winfield purposely
>avoided answering questions about Gruber.

And it should be noted that these are three very "diplomatic" players.


>It seems both management and his teammates (and ex-teammates) had
>basically had enough of Gruber.
>
>Gerald

After Jeff Kent was traded for ... uhhh ... some Mets pitcher ... Kent was
interviewed about his experiences as Gruber's temporary replacement.  He 
was very candid and said that most of the team didn't like Gruber, that 
he seemed to be exagerating the extent of his injuries, and that people 
were getting fed up with him.

-- 
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Dept of Comp Sci, UofT			    E pluribus complures.
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From: bbs-comarow@jwt.UUCP (Bob Comarow)
Subject: All Time Mets Team
Reply-To: bbs-comarow@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 15:52:05 GMT

In the discussions regarding 2nd basemen, no one
has mentioned Felix Millan.  Not only did he play
incredible Defense, but he was impossible to strike
out, hit between 280 and 300, and had a ton of
doubles.

He was a pleasure to watch at BAT and on the field.
A lot like watching Keith Hernandez battle a pitcher.

Bob
comarow@eisner.decus.org
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL East analysis comment
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:05:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) says:

>What are the most important positions? You tell me.
>
>Any team would like to have a Darren Daulton (C), Mark Grace (1B),
>Ryne Sandberg (2B), Wil Cordero (SS), Dave Hollins (3B), Bernard
>Gilkey (LF), Ray Lankford (CF) and Larry Walker (RF).

  How did Cordero find his way on to this list?  
>
>So which guy is the most important?

The pitcher.

>
>
>I suppose you also come from that school of theory that says
>that you should build your team down the miiddle: C, 2B, SS, CF.
>
>That is alot of crap.

No.  What you say next is a lot of crap.

>
>Look at the WS Champs Toronto Blue Jays. The only really great player
>out of those four center position is Alomar.

  Do you think maybe "that school of theory" teaches teams to be strong
DEFENSIVELY up the middle?  Alomar is great, I'll give you that.  Manny Lee
had a good year defensively.  Devon White is world class in center field.
Borders, I suppose, is average, but that gives them quality at 3 of the "four
center positions".

>Four main components of that team, don't play in these middle
>positions (Carter, Olerud, Maldonado, Winfield)

   Well, offense quite traditionally comes from the right fielder, the 
first baseman, the left fielder, and the DH, so this may not be that unusual.
It looks to me like the Jays got defense from the traditional places, and 
offense from the traditional places.  


  Other main components of that team that you should maybe mention -- Juan
Guzman, Jimmy Key, Duane Ward, Tom Henke, . . .

oh . . .

and Cito Gaston.

:-)

SfH
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From: jose@math.duke.edu (Greg Lawler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oquendo
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:07:02 GMT

> 
> You were an Oquendo fan when he was 16?
> -- 

  Yes.  When he was 16  (1980) he was playing for the Lynchburg Mets
in the Carolina League.  We would come to watch him play when he
came to Durham because he was such a good fielder.  He actually played
rookie league ball the year before.


Greg Lawler
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Colorful r.s.bb expressions
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:18:14 GMT

In article <franjion.724640608@spot.Colorado.EDU> franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) writes:
>Well, maybe they aren't all that colorful, but I think if Ross Perot
>would have read this group, he would have had alot more phrases.  My
>favorite Perot-ism:
>
>...End of story.
>
>In this group, we also have:
>
>...Feh (most frequent user unknown.  Dave Tate maybe?)
>...Wrong, but thanks for playing. (Gary Huckabay)
>...Chyeah.  (just saw this one in a Ted Frank posting)
>
>and of course:
>
>...duh. (the immortal bob vesterman)

Others that should be considered:

"chowderhead" seems to be quite popular. I believe Gary Huckabay started it.

"glorified tree stump" perhaps now retired. "Stiletto" Thornley's?

"Stat Drunk Computer Nerds" or SDCNs for short. Is this one of Roger's or
 is Blickhan responsible?

"What's your point?" Heard often. I think it belongs primarily to Ms. Nichols.

"Sweet Mother of God" Definitely Dave Kirsch's doing. Or did he steal it?

"Lundy"  Used (and abused) by many.

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From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:50:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith):

>Baseball Birthdays

>December 16

>Mike Flanagan, 1951

  [...]

>Billy Ripken, 1964

>To those netsers celebrating a birthday today, I'm sorry about this crop.

Don't forget Ludwig "Say What?" Beethoven, famous utility infielder and
clubhouse cut-up...


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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bowes)
Subject: Re: Worrell to the Dodgers!!!!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:23:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec11.091709.9648@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>>
>>	Well, at least they seem to be locking up that all-important lead
>>in players with double letters in their names:
>>
>>	Offerman
>>	Strawberry
>>	Karros
>>	Piazza
>>	Reed
>>	Candiotti
>>	Gross
>>	Gott
>>	McDowell
>>	Howell
>>	Worrell
>>	and maybe Boggs.
>>
>>	And that's just the players Les listed - maybe they have some
>>prospects they can bring up to ice this thing.
>>
>>-- 
>
>Damn! I knew they should have signed Maddux! 
>
Oh, there's help in the farm system...

Greg Hansell
Bryan Baar
Tony Barron

and if they resign Lenny Harris...


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From: dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MATTINGLY'S MOST HOMERUN PRODUCTION
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:10:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc11.dchou.724191024
Distribution: usa

Hi.   Could you tell me the number of home runs Don Mattingly has
hit the most of in ONE SINGLE season?  Thanks.

							-Dave

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From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:59:22 GMT
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec16.024922.26080@seq.uncwil.edu> cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:

>>I know that every time I've heard the answer to this question, "error"
>>and "catcher's interference" have been listed separately, but isn't the
>>latter just one instance of the former?  I've always wondered why it gets
>>treated separately.
>
>
>	I think the differene here is that if the ball is hit
>	it is a fielding error, if the catcher interferes it
>	is a procedural error.

A procedural error???

The difference is that catcher's interference is not scored as an
official time at-bat, hence it is not used in the denomenator for
calculating batting average and slugging average.  Like walks,
it is neutral in AVG and SLG.  Other errors that allow a runner
to reach base count just like outs.

If the firstbaseman tackles the batter-runner, that's a hit or an error
depending upon the official scorer's guess as to whether he'd have reached
base.
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From: jfeinst1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jonathan B. Feinstein)
Subject: Re: Question for Giants Fans
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:11:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.214154.8220@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>,
paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:

> |> Dodger fans SHOULD be asking themselves how
> |> come their "team" is saddled with such a useless incompetent like Lasorda

> I think what we need here is a review of the meaning of incompetent. Since
Lasorda took office at the end of '76 he has eaten:
 
 Plates of Spaghetti: 10,000
Tomatoes: 200,000
Tortellini: 50,000
Victory Spreads in '92: NOT!!

And most of those plates of pasta were from before he went on his infamous
'Slim-Fast' diet!

How could you call someone who eats that many noodles incompetent?  To be
honest, most of the times I've seen him "manage" he's been far too full to
even waddle out to the pitcher's mound!

SFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSF---Jonathan Feinstein---SFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSF

                                                         Swarthmore
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Ryno talks (was Re: Atlanta Opening Day Starter)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:20:13 GMT

In article <78487@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes:
>In <1992Dec16.175245.15171@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>
>>Ryne Sandberg has been blasting Maddux to the press in the last few days.
>
>What is he saying?  He just does not talk all that much and even less to
>the press about other players.  What gives?

(Sorry I haven't had time to respond to e-mail on this.)

He claims that Maddux "used" him to management, and kept saying all year
that the Cubs were his first choice, and sent Ryne to talk to management
to sell how much he wanted to stay.  Sandberg was upset at reports that
Maddux said the Braves were his first choice, and that he didn't want
to go through six more years of rebuilding.  Ryne felt that Maddux wasn't
grateful enough to his coaches and teammates (presumably for almost costing
him the Cy by losing four or six games that he should have won by getting
themselves shut out.)  Finally, he said he looked forward to hitting
against Maddux.

Front page of the sports section here, though below the fold.
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