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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: BASIC INSTINCT - Rating in Singapore
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.142342.5987@iti.gov.sg> hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong) writes:
>Yet more useless information...
>
>20th Century Fox has just submitted BASIC INSTINCT for rating here in
>Singapore.  And, surprise, instead of aiming for the R(A) [The A is for
>artistic -- porn is still banned here... :-)] rating, the studio has
>specifically requested for a PG rating.  [NB: R(A) rating only allows 21
>and above;  there is no equivalent to the U.S. R-rating here]
>
>No news yet from the censoring board...  If the PG rating goes through, I
>wonder how many scenes will be left untouched by censors...

This is indeed interesting, particularly considering the experience
Fox has had with "Basic Instinct" in South Africa.  Surprisingly,
the South African censors let "Basic Instinct" in untouched.  Not
surprisingly, they gave it a restrictive rating permitting only
adults to see it.  South African audiences have a reputation of
being somewhat conservative, perhaps even puritanical, so, combined
with the limitation of the audience, great things were not predicted
for "Basic Instinct" in South Africa.  However, it's actually breaking
box office records there.  South Africa isn't Singapore, of course,
but I would have thought they'd have followed the successful strategy,
rather than taking a chance on releasing a cut-to-ribbons version.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:51:03 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <63#n-0-@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
|>gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
|>
|>> I don't get this. Vlad the Impaler and Count Dracula have absolutely no
|>> connection between them at all, except (possibly) christian names. 
|>
|>Excuse me?  Stoker took a lot of his inspiration for _Dracula_ from Vlad
|>The Impaler.  That's a pretty significant connection, if you ask me.
|>
|>--
|>Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
          
   I know that! That's why I said "inspired" fiction. However, Vlad
Tepes (Vlad the Impaler) was NO vampire, just a cruel military leader to
liked to impale his enemies on large spikes. Stoker also based the
facial features of Dracula on VtI. I have a print of a wood carving of
VtI at home and it is close to Stoker's description of the count
(moustache etc - that's a point, is Coppola's film faithful enough to
give Gary Oldman a moustache??). My bewilderment is in regard to why VtI
should appear in a film version of Dracula that is being hailed as
faithful to the book, AND someone posted something about a prologue
where it explains how Vlad the Impaler is Dracula's great great
great...grandfather and was a vampire!!

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From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Subject: Re: PG: What DOES it mean?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:05:03 GMT


Nancy M. Schnepp writes:

>My 11 year old wants to take my 7 year old to the movies
>for his birthday.  He wants to see 3 Ninjas.  I find out
>it is rated PG.  Does this mean I have to go too, or do
>I just have to go in when they buy their tickets?
>
>I have a feeling I'll be watching 3 Ninjas too.
>

PG means Parental Guidance suggested.  A less circular answer to your 
question is this:  About 5 weeks ago a group of parents were shown the
release print of _3 Ninjas_ and gave thier opinions about how appropriate
they felt it was for children.  The people listening to the comments are
the MPAA (motion Picture Association of America) who, among other duties
assign ratings to films.

So a group of parents in California thought that some children, especially
young ones, might need some supervision and guidance from the parental 
unit.

I know of no theatre that will refuse to sell a PG ticket without a parent
in attendance.  That holds for R rated films, as Restricted means just that
if you are not of age, you bring your folks or be old enough to see it
alone.

Just as an aside to the quoted poster, as I am sure the elder of your
children will bring it up soon, here is a little rule of thumb for you:
PG13 is listed as 'Parents Strongly Cautioned.'  When I was a kid, many
of the films with this rating would have been rated R.  I remember the
flap over The Warriors getting the X rating.  Today it would get an R
with no sweat.  The ratings are a little less strict than you remember
from childhood.

-Neal, Your friendly neighborhood theatre manager.

PS:  If the FAQ maintainer is interested I could post or EMail a 2 page
   pamphlet for inclusion/update/addition in the FAQ that my company
   put together to inform parents on the rating system, its methods,
   roots and meanings.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:25062 rec.arts.tv:16478
From: maureenw@sco.COM (Maureen Wilkes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Freshman Smarm - Less Than Zero?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:19:15 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <1992Aug13.174504.14506@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.180957.25110@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>
>>Question on this: I was flipping channels, and caught about 30 seconds
>>of it before I realized what it was (resulting in more flipping), so I
>>didn't see what university this is supposed to take place in.  Did
>>they give a name?
>
>I'd like to make clear that I did *not* see this show.  But according to
>Tom Shales vicious review it is something like Western Pacific University,
>an alias for that well-known center of higher learning and surfing,
>Pepperdine U.


Could someone please tell me what show we're discussing?  "Freshman Dorm"?
What station is that on? (No, let me guess, it's gotta be Fox...)
Is it a 90210/Melrose Place rip-off?  Who's in it?  This isn't really
a movie topic, so I'll salvage this post by adding:

"Less Than Zero" was in the Critic's Choice display at my local video
outlet.  I'd assumed it was vacuous teenage tripe about roughing it in
daddy's Beverly Hills mansion, but now I'm wondering........was it
critically acclaimed?  Was it more than just another fast cars/fast babes
teen flick?
From: jvverth@figaro.med.harvard.edu (Jim Van Verth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:38:42 GMT
Organization: Hyrcania University

Rita Hayworth in _Gilda_, singing "Put the Blame on Mame".

No question.  

Yowza.

(The rest of the plot?  well, it's an odd little film noir about a
love triangle between Rita Hayworth, Glenn Ford and some other guy.
Glenn Ford is down on his luck, gets a job from the other guy, then
finds out that the other guy's wife is an old flame.  For the most
part, it's pretty good, but the ending is a little unsatisfactory.  On
the other hand, I can't really say I didn't *want* it to end that way
-- it just seems a little farfetched, especially for film noir.  Worth
seeing, though)

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Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:25503 rec.arts.sf.movies:6482
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:24:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1259@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:
> Making movies out of well-known science fiction classics has not been
> attempted very often, and when it is attempted it's not often successful.
> With bad results:
>   Dune
>   Nightfall  (*unbelievably* bad)
>   Something Wicked this way Comes


 I'm surprised to see SWTWC on your list. I thought that it was pretty good.
Not great, but certainly not as bad as the original Dune release or
Nightfall......


			gln
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:34:34 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Aug19.143842.1417@figaro.med.harvard.edu>, 
jvverth@figaro.med.harvard.edu (Jim Van Verth) writes:

> Rita Hayworth in _Gilda_, singing "Put the Blame on Mame".
 
> No question.  
 
> Yowza.
 
With the gloves, right?!?

I'll see your "Yowza", and bid a "Hubba-Hubba!!!"

Greg Bole                              "Lord, thank you for that waitress in 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu            South Bend.  You know the one, she was
                                        calling your name the whole time."
                                          Tom Hanks in _A Leauge of Their Own_
From: dean@pico.OZ (Dean Economou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Who directed THE LAST WAVE ? (Film about abouriginies (sp!))
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:42:27 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, Uni. Western Australia.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Confirmed, it was Peter Weir.
Dean (dean@qpsx.oz.au)
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Eastwood's "Unforgiven"
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/

In <1992Aug11.151923.8079@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
 
>By the way, I've heard serious critics suggest that Eastwood might
>be nominated for an Academy Award for his performance in it.  If so,
>it would be his first acting nomination.   

Hmmm... after seeing the film, I think it would be more appropriate to
nominate him for best direction, as opposed to performance.  Gene Hackman,
now... there I could see yet another best actor/best supporting actor
nomination. 

And speaking of going out on a limb -- I suspect in about ten years that
UNFORGIVEN will be looked at as one of the best Westerns of all time.  (I'd
say, "the best Western to come out in the 80s/early 90s", but a) something
else might be coming out to top it in the next year or two and b) that sort
of a backhanded compliment, isn't it?  (I mean, outside of SILVERADO...))

                           "There was some brilliant work done with rats,
                            which makes it scientific."
                                           -- Prof. Ralph Noble
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:19:18 GMT


The "Controller"

--
Michael                      
stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:25:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.121200.650@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>In article <66279@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>>What's the deal?  Is it so degrading to women to use a different noun?
[....]
>
>Only in the net world. In the *same thread* we have a discussion about whether
>using the term actor/actress is sexist and another discussion about Mary 
>Mastrantonios "tits".
>
The net reflects the wonderful variety of opinions of folks, both across
and within newsgroups and threads, who don't have to deal with each other
face-to-face.  The Dark Side of the Open Forum.

It's the spice of life.

GMS
From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:57:35 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

>   Mary Elisabeth Mastrantonio  (The Abyss -  White Sands - Robin Hood)
>   Andie MacDowell (Green Card - Sex, lies and videotape)
>   Isabelle Adjani (Subway)
>


No one has mentioned "Nastassja Kinski" so far. 
Very pretty and talented as well (Tess, Cat People, The Tenant).  


Manish
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From: jost@walt.coyote.trw.com (Patrick Jost)
Subject: Re: RAISING CAIN
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:43:41 GMT

ummorea0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gene Moreau) writes:


>All I can really say about this movies is:  P.U., what a stinker.
>Don't waster your money.


Yeah. When we went to see Lethal Weapon 3, they were giving away tickets to 
a free preview of this to measure audience reaction. I'm sure glad I didn't
pay anything to see it...sort of a fun free night out though...


PJ


-- 
..suenos perdidos, dolor infinito, ya sin sentido, en el triste fluir, de los
llantos sumergidos, al silencio de un grito en el vacio... (J. L. Velasquez)

              Patrick Jost/jost@coyote.trw.com/(310) 812-2759
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From: bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams)
Subject: Re: UNFORGIVEN
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:32:54 GMT

In article <10AUG199216112844@utkvx1.utk.edu> takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
;                                                 It has a legendary quality
; in spite of its debunking of legend.  I think the movie's greatest appeal
; is to those who appreciate Westerns--for others it only states the obvious.
; 
; Toby Koosman
; University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
; Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx


Exactly.  All my life I avoided westerns, thinking I wouldn't like them.  I
saw all the good reviews for this and went and saw it.  One of the only
westerns I have ever seen, and certainly the only one seen when it first came
out (Clint Eastwood has also never had much appeal to me).  Well, I was right.
I don't like westerns, even "great" ones that are great because they purport
to show the way it "really" was as opposed to the way we thought it was.  This
is like The Players.  I don't think a movie that corrects "cinema drek" can be
considered a "great" movie.  A great movie should stand on its own.
    One thing that was interesting about this film was the way the western
myths played (and even took part in generating what happened) in the west.
But Arthur Penn already explored this subject a long time ago (see his "The
Left-Handed Gun" and "Bonnie and Clyde" (interestingly enough, also
starring Gene Hackman)).  Not that it doesn't deserve more cinematic exposure.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Williams
bew@brahms.udel.edu

               What we got here is a failure to communicate... 
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From: chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (Charlie)
Subject: *THE HOT SPOT* Spoilers - Did the ending irritate anyone?
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:48:00 GMT

The 1990 Dennis Hopper film "The Hot Spot" with the incomparably beautiful 
Jennifer Connelley, the deliciously wicked Virginia Madsen and Don Johnson
was actually sort of a pleasant surprise to watch on video - not a completely
vapid "Erotica-R" film {Wild Orchid comes to mind}...but the group of us were
all watching 'til the last five minutes of the film when.....{I said SPOILERS}

Jennifer and Don are going to Virginia's house and leave for the Carribean 
right thereafter, but at Virginia's house she shows a "last will" from her 
late husband that has all the sordid details Don has committed throughout
the movie,and she tells Jennifer that Don told her about Jennifer stealing 
money from  Virginia's husband's company. Abruptly, Jennifer starts tearing
up, believing this hussy, and leaves the house, then Don resolutely accepts
his fate as Virginia's boy , end of story ------- 

All of us sat there in a relative state of anger - not because the whole 
situation wasn't plausible (though you rooted for Jennifer and Don to take
off for the Carribean), but the whole damn thing was wrapped in the last 
five minutes of the movie and it just felt, well....tacked on. Did this 
ending irritate anyone else out there (understanding of course, it's just 
a movie)?

			
-- 
Chuck Siu		"Oh, I can be suave. But I bet you meet a lot of suave 
chucksi@comm.mot.com	 guys. And that wouldn't make me any different from all
			 those other guys. Have you ever met any crude guys?"
			 -Robert Redford to Lena Olin    "Havana"
From: chrisc@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Chris Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Audience Comments During Movies
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:16:45 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

In article <15101@suns8.crosfield.co.uk> imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug5.035017.5306@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> shump@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Scott Humphries) writes:
>>Speaking of dirty looks, I got hold of a plot outline of Batman Returns
>>(off the Net, no less) and read it out in a loud voice in the theatre
>>before our local premiere.  I, of course, thought it was hilarious; my
>>friends were disowning me; and the nearby audience slightly hated it.
>>But then I'm that sort of person.
>
>Well done. Not only did you ruin everyone else's enjoyment of this (admittedly
>not-very-good) film, but you also demonstrated that you are a complete and
>utter wanker. Congratulations.
>
[.sig deleted]
I would just like to say that I agree with the above sentiments 100%.

Chris.
From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Unforgivable  ***SPOILERS***
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:21:31 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <1992Aug12.151322.14073@scott.skidmore.edu>, dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
> 
> I agree with Chris, bad movie all the way.  Some moments I liked
> involved character interplay--but not enough was said about why Gene
> Hackman's character was behaving that way.  Who was he protecting and
> why??
> 
> Unresolved plot line and cliches galore.  I give it * for effort and
> scenery only.


	Here it is lardies & germs, the response that I was anticipating.  I
knew that all those fly-by-night movie goers would add their measly,
money-mongering $.02 (all their measly brains could come up with -- short
changed in brains & artistic perception -- ah, life.  It just ain't fair is it
my imbecilic droolers).
	Here, are all those who raved about smarmy ALoTO.  I put one post out
there wondering where all those who "see" and "hear" a film were when this net
was *raving* about ALoTO.
	No one stepped forward to give it the PUer it nearly deserved, but
those who liked ALoTO have no problems lambasting a film that is beyond their
persceptions.
	"Unforgiven" is simply 5 steps above films like ALoTO.  It challenges
you in every aspect.  Swing the perspective just a bit & Gene Hackman is just a
very good sheriff doing his best to protect his town, and Richard Harris is a
scoundrel come to disturb the peace.  Nothing about this film takes the easy
way out.  The one cowboy who is mostly innocent (Little Davey) suffers in his
death (only behind Morgan Freeman suffers more, but then he's paying for his
past isn't he).
	Everyone in this film is unforgiven, cheif amongst these is Will Munny
himself -- the man who can't escape himself.
	What a great film.
	And some moron that lacks the ability to see a full spectrum of a film
comes out of the blue & slays it.
	Go away.
	Rent Shining Through for the third time, call your video store and wait
with great anticipation the release of A League of Their Own... golly, oh boy!
But don't post shit about something simply because you couldn't understand it
all that it had to offer. 
	*You* are the ones who are out of whack --- not this film.
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Grace Kelly (was: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:43:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug21.004313.26409
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
> Lest we not forget, the most beautiful woman ever to appear in movies was 
> Grace Kelly. Bar None she was absolutely the most elegant, stately, and 
> absolutely gorgeous female ever to grace (and I mean grace) the silver 
> screen. It's a pity she married and left the movies. 

It is my opinion that the fact she retired from acting at a young age and
died young and beautiful makes her even more beautiful in the minds of
everyone, as morbid as that sounds.  Her story is on par with a lot of
the mythological tales from ancient times.  In a way, she's a modern
goddess.

By the way, I agree with your assessment of her (except the last part).

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | What is "Martinizing",
Computer Facilities Manager             |  and why does it
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: American titles of foreign films (was: Manon of the Spring )
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.155436.18306@engage.pko.dec.com>  
boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> In article <2665@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary  
Bradley) writes...
> 
> } Okay, forgive my total ignorance of the German language, but I have
> } seen written somewhere that the German title of this film translates  
as
> } "Angels Over Berlin" (truly uninspired) - could this be so??
> 
> No. As Markus said, "Himmel" means either "sky" or "Heaven".

Agreed, but my two pfennigs worth would be on the side of "Wings of  
Desire". German is just not the most "typically" poetic language in the  
world. There is a lot of amazing German literature, prose and poetry, but  
English lends itself better to nondescript vagaries that are nontheless  
evocative. (Not to mention all the romance languages...).

Maybe the fairest translation of "Himmel :uber Berlin" might be "Heavens  
above Berlin", where the plural "Heavens" becomes equally vague in  
English, but perhaps not grammatically sound.

IMHO, of course....

AK

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