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From: hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Favourite Organ Work Survey, plus additional babble
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:39:25 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN


>Have you come across the Bach fugue on CD at all?


CD...hmmm....I found these recordings of it (these are ones I found here in
Minnesota)----

Horsholm Percussion & Marimba Ensemble plays J.S. Bach, Finn, Savery, Edwin
	Kammerer a.o.		Copenhagen, Denmark : Danacord (1988)
	M985.H6 H6

(long title)	Musical Heritage Society (1985)	 played by Marie-Claire Alain
	at the Great Schwenkedel Organ at the Church at Saint-Donat College
	M7.B11 A4

Toccata and fugue [sound recording]	Tokyo : Kosei, 1988.  Tokyo Kosei
	Wind Orchestra, Frederick Fennell conducting.
	M1254.B3 T6

Tuba! : a six-tuba musical romp (Gerhard Meinl's tuba sextet).   Angel, p1992.
	M658.G4 T8



The strange numbers/letters at the end of each description are the Library of 
Congress numbers for the CD's.  These were the 4 recording on CD in the major 
library network in the state of Minnesota, so I'm sure there are more 
recordings out there.  Personally, I prefer the Kosei recording.  I had the 
opportunity of playing for Dr. Fennell last year, and it was a PHENOMENAL 
experience, to say the least  8-)  One of the benefits of being the only Bb 
contra clarinetist here last year...contra is a *very* important part of 
Kabalevsky's "Suite from the Comedians"...Enuf babble; happy hunting!

--Andrea

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 "Didja ever play notes on your contra so low that your entire body shook???"

							--Me

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Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: presti@cs.unibo.it (Enrico Presti)
Subject: Re: New Year's Concert
Followup-To: Crazy for Mozart !
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, University of Bologna, Italy
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:24:06 GMT

He's Claudio Abbado... enjoy you listen!!
(i don't like Strauss (Johann) very well, but i like Abbado when he conducts
tardo-romantic repertoires..)

--
Enrico Presti
University of Bologna (ITALY)
Department of Mathematics

        "i live by long distance"
        (Glenn Gould, 1932-1982)



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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Bruno Walter's Beethoven
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:25:32 GMT

JEFFS@UMRVMB.umr.edu writes:
: One of my Christmas acquisitions was a (used) 6 CD set of the Beethoven
: symphonies conducted by Bruno Walter with the Columbia Symph. Orch. (CBS
: Special Products).  Can anyone tell me when these were recorded?
: Overall, the performances seem to be very good (except for some
: occasional sloppy trumpet playing), but the recorded sound is inferior
: to the CDs I have of Walter conducting Bruckner's ninth and Brahms
: fourth, so perhaps the Beethoven recordings were made earlier? Any
: information (and opinions) regarding these and other Walter recordings
: would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Appx 1959, i.e. around the same time - during Walter's "Indian
Summer". It may be the transfer: I have CDs of all except 9 from the
original reissues in the mid 80s and I always thought that - tape hiss
apart - the sound was really very good.

--
Real:  Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
Email: (dbarker@spang.camosun.bc.ca)
Phone: +1 604 370 4452
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: apter@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter)
Subject: Re: Ginastera Piano & Chamber Music
Keywords: Ginastera, Nissman
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:23:02 GMT

In article <hellerS.726434570@batman> hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.033936.4424@fid.morgan.com> apter@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter) writes:
>
>
>
>>I like them very much.  As you say, listening through this set in
>>chronological order gives the very definite impression of a man on 
>>the move.
>
>>There's also a terrific Elan CD containing string quartets by Ginastera,
>>Villa Lobos, and Reveultas.  
>
>>Ginastera's piano concerto was part of my initial encounter with 20th 
>>Century music, back in my teens.  I see that what looks like the very 
>>same performance -- on Desto, with Hilde Somer -- is back in the catalog.
>	I don't wish to pop any good memories from your teens, Steve, but I
>	have that old Desto recording of Somer doing the 1st Piano Concerto
>	and the 1st Sonata on the other side. IMHO, this is one of the
>	WORST performances of BOTH these works (but particularly the
>	Sonata) that I've ever heard! Now that's no reflection on the
>	works themselves, but if these are the ONLY performances you know,
>	by all means FIND ANOTHER ONE!!! The Sonata is abysmally performed.
>	Why they decided to re-release it I can't imagine, but I did notice
>	it listed just yesterday and got all sorts of BAD memories. 


It's been 25 years since I heard it, but I believe you.  By the
way, I hope no one took my reference to this disk as a recommendation.
I can, however, recommend the Batiz ASV disk containing both piano and
harp concertos, which is the one I own.


>>I'm waiting for the operas ...
>
>>PS:  Make sure that the Newport disks are correctly printed -- a bad
>>batch, pristinely silver and labelless, were sent out at one point.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist)
Subject: Re: N. American Choral Concerts Jan. 15 - 31 (St. Olaf Choir)
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:45:39 GMT


About the Ole Choir concerts...
>}
>}The concert is sponsored by the Gwinnett Festival Singers, and
>}the phone number for more information is (404) 466-3778
>}(William O. Baker).  It's highly recommended that tickets
>}be purchased in advance.


Yes, do purchase your tickets in advance.  The concerts will be FULL; I went about a half-hour early to their spring concert here last year , and my seat was halfway back and to the outside in our *huge* chapel.



>"But I'm not Norwegian." --Anton Armstrong

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ typical Anton quote; I had him for voice class last
			   year, and he is working with the Ole Band on part
			   of our tour program closer.  He is AWESOME!!!
			       (just my $0.0213 worth  8-)  )


--Andrea, contrabass clarinetist extraordinaire and King's Singers phreak


Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Huenter Kradaken?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:40:13 GMT

In article <C0E8pu.Mx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Chuck Stringer) writes:
>mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>|
>| Oh, indeed his second was superior to the third, but the third
>| symphony had that *je ne se quoi* about that always stirs my heart.
>| 
>| I really don't know why Kradaken never really broke more to the
>| "mainstream". It's unfortunate.
>| 

I'm amazed to hear the date Kradaken was born....listening to his third
symphony, I thought he was more modern. He certainly shows an amazing
acquantince with atonality for his time. (Either that or he has 
absolutely no understanding of standard chord structure.)

I think my favorite movement of "St. Peter and the Four Dragons"
is the second movement, called the "Allegro Dragon." The end cadence,
which actually leads to an augmented seventh as the final chord, is
utter genius. That movement is definitely superior to the "Lentemente
Dragon"...the wailing french horn solo grates on me after awhile.

Steven

-- 
"You can't help that. We're all mad here."-The cheshire cat, Alice in WL

"A mass hysteria/a megalomania/reveal Dementia/reveal"-Metallica
From: face@arizona.edu (Chris Janton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Recommend CD of Strauss's Salome
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:51:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.classical
Organization: CCIT, University of Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptoon.ccit.arizona.edu

Complete work, please - thanks for advice
-------
Chris 'Face' Janton, Research Specialist, CCIT 
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ  85721
Phone: +1 602 621-6848       Internet: face@arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist)
Subject: Re: Favourite Organ Work Survey
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:16:17 GMT



My 2 favorites are Bach Fugue in g minor ("Little") and Saint-Saens Finale from
Symphony No. 3...well, at least the organ parts of it...


--Andrea
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Andrea Hakari			Real people play clarinet...
St. Olaf College			Real clarinets play bass...
Northfield, MN  55057				Real basses play CONTRA!!!!

 "Didja ever play notes on your contra so low that your whole body shook????"
						 	---Me
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Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: re: Christopher Rouse
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:17:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.161542.10546@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf8-k.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>
>The Sunday New York Times had an article on Christopher Rouse.  Has
>anyone heard any performances of his work?  Is he worth investigating?
>Are any recordings available on CD?
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Ralph Marrone 


There is CD containing Rouse's 1st Symphony, along with a couple of
smaller pieces. It is part of the Nonesuch label's 'Meet the Composer'
series.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,rec.music.jazz,rec.music.misc
From: shari@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes), shari@clarity.princeton.edu
Subject: CARTOON MUSIC! HELP AND A CHALLENGE
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:57:33 GMT

A few weeks ago while turning the dial on my car radio, listening to
bits of this and bits of that, I encountered a radio show where the
guest was giving his opinion of the 10 best CD's of the year.  He
proceeded to play a snippit of two cuts off one of his favorite 1992
disks.  These cuts were originally made in the 1920's and 1930's and
through the wonders of technology they were remastered for release in
1992.  The music was upbeat, fast, jazzy.  Lot of clarinets.  Happy
music.  CARTOON music.  I'm sure I recognized these tunes as
background-type music for the 'toons, Warner Bros circa 1930-1940.
I do know that one person was the originator and recorder of these tunes.
However, I don't know who it was, don't know the name of the album, don't
know the radio station where I heard this, don't know anything except that
this disk was released in 1992 and it is fabulous.  I have visions of
walking into my neighborhood record store and asking for, "you know,
the cartoon CD."  I don't think that would work.  If anyone knows anything
about this album or any pointers for me to try and locate it, it would be
most appreciated and you'd win the CARTOON MUSIC challenge of 1993.

Thanks--
-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
          Only the ephemeral is of lasting value--Ionesco
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Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: grider@IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Anybody heard of Gliere?
Reply-To: whoever@wherever
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:23:24 GMT

I recently read some reviews about the Russian composer Reinhold Gliere, and
below is a simple account of the composer printed in the local "Classical
Express Newsletter" for anyone who are interested in him.

    Born in Kiev in 1875, Gliere studied and subsequently taught composition at 
the Moscow Conservatory. His students included Prokofiev and Khachaturian.  
    As a composer, Gliere belonged to the Russian romantic tradition of
Borodin,
    Rimsky-Korsakov and Glazunov. His music is rich in melody and nationalistic
    in feeling. A prolific composer, he wrote three symphonies, two Ballets
(The
    Poppy/1927 and the Bronze Horseman/1949), plus numerous concertos, quartets 
, piano pieces and songs. His most opulent and exotic orchestral work is 
    without doubt the Third Symphony, which carries the subtitle "Illya 
    Muromets".

I will also try to post some reviews on his "Illya Muromets" played by different
performers if anyone has more to say about Gliere.


Johann of Ames


Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Ravel is definitely worth it!
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:44:51 GMT


In article <C0Ez6I.GBM@ecf.toronto.edu>, torenvl@ecf.toronto.edu (TORENVLIET GERARD LAWRENS) writes:

|> (don't tell my aunt this).  I was wondering, is Ravel any good.  The only piece
|> that I am familiar with is his orchestration of Mussorgsky's "Pictures..;" I 
|> think it is chaotic and cacophonic and don't like it much (the solo piano I do
|> like, very much).  Yet, just because of this bad recording, I don't wish to put
|> Ravel permanently out of my collection.
|> 
I think the chaos and cacophony are what help make "Pictures" a fabulous
piece. If you don't like it, I guess Mussorgsky ain't your cup of tea. Such 
a pity. However, "Pictures" represents the character of Mussorgsky, not Ravel.
The result is that it doesn't sound like Ravel. 

|> So, if Ravel is played well, is it worth it?
|> 
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Listen to:

Le Tombeau de Couperin
Mother Goose Suite
Une Barque sur l'ocean (truly sublime)
Pavanne pour enfante defunte (piano or orchestra)
Daphnis and Chloe (complete or suites 1 or 2)
String quartet
Sonata(?) for violin and piano
La Valse
Alborada del Gracioso (piano or orchestra)
Bolero (yes, it is sort of minimalist, but worth having)
Concerto for piano left hand and orchestra
Menuet Antique
Any solo piano music

I'm not trying to list a complete catalog, but I am quite enthusiastic
about Ravel's music. 

- BK
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Q: Inbal's Mahler
Keywords: Mahler, Inbal
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:47:00 GMT

hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh) writes:
| My only complaint about Inbal is that he sings through the works (or I
| should say he sings thru the 2nd, and I found that it ruined the whole
| experience for me, even though I thought the performance was excellent in
| all other respects). Has anyone else been bothered by this?

Yes; at a Prom in 1968.  Leonora #3; it was more of a buzz than a sing.
I can still hear Bz-Bzz-Bz Bzzz Bz, Bz-z Bz Bz Bz.  Must have made an
impact for me to remember that.

Being the Proms, of course, one was closer than normal to the source of
the noise (actually, closer to his shoes.  Proms conductors should not
sing *or* have squeaky shoes).
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Shine out, fair sun, with all your heat!  Black winter freezes to his seat...
The boneless fish close quaking lies...the stars in icicles arise!
From: lampson@software.pulse.com (Dave Lampson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: new method of cataloging Beethoven's music?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:05:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In Article 45683 of rec.music.classical, Roger Lustig writes:
>In article <LYNN.93Jan11114716@ives.urbana.mcd.mot.com> lynn@phx.mcd.mot.com writes:
>>
>>Last night I was at a piano recital (Oleg Volkov, in Scottsdale AZ),
>>where the artist opened with Beethoven's 32 Variations in Cm. Rather
>>than listing the usual opus cataloging number, it was specified with
>>the number WoO80. I'm not familiar with this cataloging system. Does
>>someone out there know what it's about?
>
>Not that new, but necessary.  It stands for Werke ohne Opuszahl: works
>without an opus number!  
>
>And, indeed, that piece has no such number.  Good, though!

It most certainly does, at least according to the New Grove.  32 Variations
on an Original Theme in C minor WoO. 80 written in 1806.  Perhaps you are
both thinking of the 33 Variations on a Theme by Diabelli in C Major Op. 120
written in 1823.  The easiest way to tell them apart might be that the WoO 80
variations are much shorter and only take about 11 minutes to play, whereas
the Diabelli variations can take nearly an hour to perform.


>>I thought maybe it was a posthumous work, and perhaps it is, but I
>>remember hacking on that piece myself many years ago, and don't recall
>>that it was ... I probably would have remembered.
>
>No, he wrote it while he was alive!  8-) 

Rats - beat me to it.  (:-)

Dave
lampson@pulse.com

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Guide access cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4) by anonymous FTP, or email me for info.

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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Hvorostovsky and Ainsley (was Re: My Christmas CDs)
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:32:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1id7ikINNchu@agate.berkeley.edu>, ronan@mendel.berkeley.edu (Karen Ronan) writes:
> "Dark Eyes: Russian Folk Songs" - Dmitri Hvorotovsky.
> My first introduction to him.  I'm in love!  Does anyone have his
> Tchaikovsky & Verdi arias?  Are they great?

Can anyone explain how God [insert favourite creating force] could be so cruel
to the rest of us as to enable Dmitri Hvorostovsky and John Mark Ainsley to
sing like doves and have major recording careers before they're even thirty?
They are both rivals of mine in love: if they didn't sing so divinely I might
have a chance.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: chen@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Ron Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: So exactly what's wrong with Bolero, anyway?
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:47:01 GMT

brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:

> ...
>It does repeat the same rhythmic pattern throughout, and has only a couple 
>of similar themes, which are also repeated throughout. However, as with some 
>of the better minimalist music today, it does not stay the same throughout. 
>It is forever changing with each repetition, and not just in volume. The 
>instrument(s) that play(s) the themes keep changing, and more instruments 
>are continuously added as it goes along, changing texture and dynamic range.

> ...

Glad to see a posting on "what's right" instead of "what's wrong"!
One delightful use of the piece is in the animated Italian film 
"Allegro Non Troppo", if anyone hasn't seen it.

-Jim
From: dongsung@antigone.usc.edu (Dongsung Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: ftp cite for classic??
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:05:28 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: antigone.usc.edu
Summary: Looking for ftp cite which I can play on a SUN workstation.
Keywords: ftp cite for classic

Hello!

I would like to hear classic music on a SUN workstation.
We have CDROM and a speaker for multimedia. The only thing needed
is classic audio files.

If anyone knows where I can ftp classic music or
any software that I can play my classic CD at CDROM,
please send E-mail to me.

dongsung@iris.usc.edu

Any other advices are appreciated.

Thank you in advance.



Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: mccomt@aix.rpi.edu (Todd Michel McComb)
Subject: Re: liner notes
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:08:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.011236.1440@cgh.cgh.com> Paul Homchick writes:
>roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) wrote:
>>Oh, c'mon, Paul.  Can't you recognize self-parody when you see it?  
>>Calling Total Serialism (which was on the skids in 1953-4 already)
>>the high point of Western music is something that can't possibly be 
>>taken seriously by anyone, and couldn't even have been taken 
>>seriously back then.  Now, given Scelsi's own rather strange history/
>>temporal development, the text, hilarious as it is, makes a certain
>>sense on some level.  On the other hand, it makes you wonder whether 
>>the writer likes the music...

>It never crossed my mind that anyone (with the possible exception of
>Peter Schickele) would produce liner notes that made fun of the music
>on the recording.  However, when viewed from such a perspective, the
>notes and the music make a lot more sense than they do when taken
>straight. :-) I still have my suspicions tho, that all of this was in
>dead earnest.

It's not too uncommon in liner notes of Scelsi's music that the writer
seems not to have followed what happens in the music.  They still have
to write something, and they've been told how important the music is,
so what comes out is largely irrelevant.

T. M. McComb

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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Huenter Kradaken?
Followup-To: rec.music.classical,alt.shenanigans
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:13:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.031408.21669@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) writes:
>
>	I think he's on a Trivial Pursuit card.  The question's about a
>composer who later became a zoologist.  I won't get it wrong anymore!

Another little-known fact about Krakaden is that his speciality in zoology
was lemur-training.  Before his death he was training some Ringtailed
Lemurs to play the works of Mozart on miniature grand pianos.

          (__)                                           
          (oo)                                                     Joel Furr
   /-------\/                                     jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu
  / |     ||                                            Blacksburg, Virginia
 *  ||----||                                                             USA
    ^^    ^^

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: duli@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Li Du)
Subject: Re: who is the concert master of berlin phil?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:01:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.032916@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> (Crazy for Mozart !) writes:
>:  paganini's admirer (dwong@chopsuey.pico) wrote:
>:  does anyone know?  and is he asian??
>
>He is Claudio Abbado, an Italian!
>--
>wang ming hong
>
	Oh, come on! The guy is asking about the concert master,
	not the conductor.

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