From: miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa Mihailovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:48:40 EST
Organization: Proteus Communications, Washington D.C. * node 1

abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca writes:

> In article <YSIArA6GBh107h@proteus1.UUCP> miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa
> Mihailovic) writes:
>
> >was supposed to be. According to all statistical data, those same
> >Bosnian Serbs own more than 60% of the land, so who can decide in
> >their name?  If muslim Slavs want to seceede why don't give that
> >right to the others, too?  Or are we speaking double standards,
> >again?
> 
> First of all -- the Serbs have as much rights as other is B&H, and
> they have to acknowledge this (as others should). Hence if they don't
> represent sufficient portion of citizens of B&H they have to respect
> the will of majority. It's that simple.

  Oh, yes, does that include the right of secession? I am amazed that
I  hear  that  words  from one Slovene. Were the Slovenes majority in
former  Yugoslavia? I wouldn't say so, Their number is even less than
the  number  of  Bosnian Serbs and Serbs in Croatia. Double standards
again?  As  I  recall,  main argument of Bosnian Serbs and Serbs from
Croatia  was  the  very  same as Slovenes argument for the secession:
Yugoslavia  was artificially made by Slovenes and Croats who did rule
the  country  for  years.   If you are going to tell me stories about
Serbian  exploatation,  I  would  recommend  you  first to count, for
yourself,  the  communist leaders of former Yugoslavia, starting with
Tito,  Kardelj,  Dolanc  and  others who ruled the Yugoslav scene for
years  and  then  you should be able to continue this discussion with
some  facts  in  mind. After that awakening, I would recommend you to
visit Serbia and to compare it with your homeland and with Croatia so
you can give up stories of economic exploatation (at very first sight
) and get some facts about economic exploatation straight. After that
you  should  recall  how  Slovene and Croat bank stealed from Peoples
Bank of Yugoslavia hard-currency from the rest of the former Yugoslav
countries, just to clarify the Slovene politics towards majority...

> The problem here is how to draw the lines or communities which are
> voting units. Serbs here invented the rule of "voting land" and
> because they happened to own a lot of dead land they claim that they
> can also own the lifes of alive Muslims. This didn't work as Muslims

  They  claim  only that they should be their masters on the land  they
happen to own. The fact that most of that land is, as you call it, dead
land, speaks something about attitude towards Serbs, because they could
hardly  own  anything else because somebody else was in power. Is it so
much  from  anybody  to  ask  to  be the landlord of his land? At least
Slovenes should say something about this argument.

> did not cooperate, hence they decided to eliminate the bothering
> factor and start ethnic cleansing. (Are you interested how does work?
> You have an excellent chance to learn in today's "Nightline".) They

  Yes, ""testimonies" of "whitnesses""... I should add even more quotes
to  express  what  do  I think about that... Thilty and low propaganda.
What I don't understand is why don't Serbs use the same means, it seems
that they truly believe in God, and God as you may know forbids luying.
I never heard somebody from other sides to blame their own seed.. Isn't
that  peculiar,  or  you believe that other sides are purely victims of
"that damn barbaric Serbs" as Slovenes use to call them?

> knew and still perfectly know that at most what they can hope
> otherwise are two Serbian countries separated by a Muslim-Croatian
> corridor. On the Northern part of corridor are (roughly) Vukovar,
> Prijedor, etc., and on the Southern end Mostar and Dubrovnik. In the
> middle is Sarajevo.

  Let's make something straight. For the months now,  Serbs are talking
that  the  civilians  should  be  allowed  to  leave Sarajevo. Instead,
Bosnian  government  holds them as hostages, as live shield. You should
remember the case of Police High school, from the beginning of the war,
when  muslims held their own children (who happened to tell the same as
I  am saying now) as live shield because they knew Serbs won't shoot in
children. Do you know how many Serbs died to save the children's lives?
Children,  from  the other side - but children - small human beings, in
case you don't know what I am talking about.

> Though some are trying to describe the war as ethnic or religous --
> no, it is a territorial war for a single Serbian state with an exit to
> the sea. Therefore the claims of "right on self-determination" of
> Serbs are at least arrogant if not worse.

  Oh and destroyed Serbian churches colapsed by itself. In the beginning
of  the  war Serbs, in Kupres, surely cut of their hands which they used
for  crossing  and afterwards they took the mallets and kniwes and first
they  did slit their  own throats and afterwards crushed their own sculs
with   mallets....  Recently,  Serbian  POW's commited  suicide  in  the
Sarajevo hospital by cutting their genitals and bleeding to death...
  Interesting  theory, I must say...  but I wouldn't be suprised to hear
it.  I heard all kinds of theorys from Bosnian muslims and their allies,
Croats and Slovenes.


> Best regards,
> 
> Andrej

same to you,

-- miha

> PS: Remark, Serbs here is not meant to mean all Serbs!!

P.S: I am half Croat, you surely missed that. But nevertheless, you'll
     "put  us  all  in  the same basket" (all - meaning rest of former
     Yugoslavia's nations). If I recall correctly, all of non-Slovenes
     from  x-YU  are called "Southerners" (with insultive note in it),
     again  one  nice primer of tolerance, intelligence and civilizied
     coming  from  Slovenia  and  Slovenes (not to mention slogans for
     Serbs: Serbs on willows, etc...).