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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Jewish Bankers
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:51:03 GMT
 <1993Jan25.083137.28783@StarConn.com> <1993Jan25.134823.790@midway.uchicago.edu> <1993Jan25.184320.21508@cs.ucla.edu>
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1993Jan25.184320.21508@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.134823.790@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Perhaps you should ask yourself why Jews get the publicity.  I guess
>>the "Zionist-controlled" media prefers singling out the Jewish bankers.
> 
> According to Paul Craig Roberts, "The Crimes of Wall Street", _Reason_,
> December 1992, pages 43-45:
> 
>    "But the myth of Milken's criminality continues to be perpetuated by
>     a media too irresponsible to be informed. Recently, _People_
>     magazine listed Milken as a celebrity who was imprisoned for
>     insider trading.  His attorney Alan Dershowitz wrote to _People_ to
>     correct the mistake.  He reports that he received a reply from the
>     magazine's lawyer that he saw no reason to correct the mistake,
>     because the magazine was not a publication of record and its
>     readers did not expect precision or accuracy. Moreover, since
>     Milken had originally been charged with insider trading, it was all
>     right for _People_ to list that as his offense."

I wonder if its *readers* know what _People_'s staff thinks of them?
And does this casual attitude apply to other Time-Warner publications?

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Paul Havemann   (Internet: paul@hsh.com)

   * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *
         ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Foucault
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:03:56 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <C1GBAE.IJq@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
> 
>    Hey, I love a good conspiracy, especially when someone really
> believes it. I can recommend a couple of neat conspiracy books
> (they're even in paper-back):
> 
> Holy Blood, Holy Grail
> and
> Foucault's Pendulum, by Umberto Eco
> 
> These are fascinating books. The first is supposed to be non-fiction,
> but who can tell (it was written in part by a Frenchman after all).
> The second is fiction but is outstanding. Umberto Eco (or his
> translator) is el primo. I especially enjoyed his loving aside about a
> word processor (even though it was running on a Apple of all things).

And "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" is mentioned in "Foucault's Pendulum"
amusingly enough.
-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: REPLY: CFR/Trilaterals in Clinton Administration
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:50:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ubjta56@ucl.ac.uk (Paul Day) says:

>Can anyone tell me *what* sort of magazine "New American" is, who
>publishes it, what its political affiliations are etc etc.

THE NEW AMERICAN is the official publication of the John Birch Society,
the premiere anti-communist organization in the United States since the
late 1950s.  It is published bi-weekly.

The John Birch Society has long taught the doctrine that the world-wide
communist movement was part of a great conspiracy involving some of the
most wealthy and powerful men on the planet, many of them international
bankers of different cultures.  Those parties to this great conspiracy
who live in the United States are believed to be concentrated primarily
in the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral commission.

Virtually all of the evidence the John Birch Society has backing these
claims come from communist publications and former members of these
conspiratorial organizations who have defected and written works
intended to expose the inner workings of these secret societies.

Needless to say, those wealthy, powerful criminals involved in these
Mafia-like organizations, have done all they can to discredit, ridicule
and intimidate those who believe these doctrines.  In this they have
been largely successful.  Birchers are generally thought to be
paranoids, crackpots, weirdos, flakes, Nazis, anti-Semites, white
racists, and worse.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Birchers
are generally lied about in the mainstream media.

I am not a Bircher myself, but I admire them greatly and have great
confidence in the accuracy of their information.  Those who spread
vicious propoganda in an attempt to discredit Birchers do so with
ulterior motives: they seek to curry favor with the wealthy and
powerful men they serve.

-- 


--------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ---------
------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.edu -------------
Newsgroups: uk.politics,alt.conspiracy
From: lvh@uctgeo.geo.uct.ac.za (Leon van Heerden)
Subject: Re: Norman Lamont, his flexible friend, and Miss Whiplash
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:08:08 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Cape Town

Stuck down here in the dark South, I'm a bit lost. Who is John Onanagu (sp?)
and what did he do.  I'm sure comment's would be appreciated by those of us
who miss English newspapers.

Leon

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.save.the.earth
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (TRUTH IS. BELIEF IS NOT REQUIRED.)
Subject: Re: Quayle's Latest Star Wars Scheme
Summary: Luke!Luke!  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:27:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.190728.27692@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)             writes...
>In the newsgroup "alt.conspiracy" in article
><B7H1XB20w165w@nyxfer.uucp> ww@nyxfer.UUCP writes:
>  "Just before bowing out as lame-duck vice president, Dan Quayle made
>   a pitch for the latest version of Star Wars. In a report to Bush,
>   Quayle said the U.S. should develop space weapons to knock other
>   countries' communications, navigation, weather and spy satellites
>   out of the skies. In other words, he is advocating a U.S. monopoly
>   on the control of space.
>and
>  "According to the Jan. 15 New York Times, 'Quayle raises the specter
>   of American foes' using spacecraft to help wage conventional warfare
>   on earth, and he calls on the United States to develop the ability
>   to block such moves. In effect, it articulates a new rationale for
>   space arms, calling for offensive military action rather than the
>   defense of a broad territory in the Star Wars plan.'"

Well if anyone knows about "Star Wars" it's Our Man Dan. He's seen
it 18 times!
	I know, I know, but someone had to say it.
> 
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From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner)
Subject: Re: Foucault
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:22:43 GMT

Alan Greig (ccdarg@dct.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <C1GBAE.IJq@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
: > 
: >    Hey, I love a good conspiracy, especially when someone really
: > believes it. I can recommend a couple of neat conspiracy books
: > (they're even in paper-back):
: > 
: > Holy Blood, Holy Grail
: > and
: > Foucault's Pendulum, by Umberto Eco
: > 
: > These are fascinating books. The first is supposed to be non-fiction,
: > but who can tell (it was written in part by a Frenchman after all).
: > The second is fiction but is outstanding. Umberto Eco (or his
: > translator) is el primo. I especially enjoyed his loving aside about a
: > word processor (even though it was running on a Apple of all things).
: 
: And "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" is mentioned in "Foucault's Pendulum"
: amusingly enough.

   Yeah, as a matter of fact, I used it to cross-reference some of Eco's
citations - they were there. Made the book all the more fascinating
don't you think.

Bill 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: "alex bosika" <alex.bosika@canrem.com>
Subject: u: bbs licensing / uk
Reply-To: "alex bosika" <alex.bosika@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:50:41 EST

 For some reason, I find that idea to be the most undemocratic thing
 I have heard of. Talk about removing personal freedom. I don't think
 it will work. I just have a strong hunch that such a concept will
 not work. There will always be an underground bbs network for people
 to freely spread their intellectual ideas and or software. That is
 my impression.

 The drug problem in the United States is a difficult and widespread
 one. There have been many attempts (not sure if it has been a "tried"
 effort or a laxadaisical one) to stop drugs in the US. With failure.
 The criminals continue to thrive.

 In other cases, there have been constraints on many things. But the
 underground economy thrives. The IRS and Revenue Canada want part of
 this underground economy. In some cases, it would make sense to
 eliminate high debts. But on the other hand, many view the pundits
 as the creators of those debts and thus the mass should not suffer.

 The question is where does it end. How much freedoms do people want to
 lose or compromise for the benefit of all. The software companies may
 benefit in the end to an end on piracy. But do the people win? Not if
 their personal freedom is taken away. If the software giants are
 really concerned about piracy, they should start thinking about putting
 most programs on CD-ROMS. End of story. And its heading that way.

 There have been suggestions of a cashless society. One that operates
 on credits and cards made of plastic with your whole life history
 attached to it. It appears as if some people have been watching too
 much Total Recall or something. I don't think it can be an acceptable
 means. Liquidity is important in any vehicle or society. For some
 reason, I just love holding cash. I think I have had enough of the
 credit card...grin.

 In the end, it is a question of what people want. The recent riots
 in the UK on the poll tax were a strong suggestion of what people did
 not accept. Growing taxes in the province of Ontario and Canada as a
 whole are creating tensions among the people to the point where
 something had better be done, or a revolt of sorts is on its way.

 In the end, the idea of licensing bbses is simply ludicrous. If Britain
 can prove to me that it is completely democratic and not socialist, I
 will be happy. But with their tax rate and whims/ideas leave a lot to
 be desired.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Is something going on here??
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:32:02 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan22.023145.21306@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
> In article <C188I6.H07@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>>Well, GCHQ *did* join the internet two days ago.
> 
> Who is GCHQ?

UK version of the NSA (Government Communications HQ).


> 
> -- Brad Pierce --
-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Pete Peters
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:53:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.022014.4917@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>BO GRITZ IN HIS OWN WORDS
>(from THE MONITOR, December 1991)
>
>     The following are excerpts from a 1991 speech at an Identity
>Bible Camp run by Pete Peters in western Colorado.  [...]
>     * "Basically the Zionists are taking over and we Christians
>are being formed into small pockets that have to go to camps twice
>a year to learn what's going on."

I think this statement of Gritz's basically refutes the notion that
he is distinguishing between "Zionists" and "Jews," as some other 
posters claimed.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Norman Lamont, his flexible friend, and Miss Whiplash
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:48:16 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1993Jan22.104021.19139@wraxall.inmos.co.uk>, des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) writes:
|> [quoting mathew on Lindi St Clair]
|> 
|> Given that (i) she parked her car and was seen walking away (ii) one
|> of her bank cards has been used subsequently to get money from a bank,
|> I'd say it looks like a publicity stunt or a "Stonehouse".

I think it was her credit card, but given the ease with which those
things are stolen/copied and then used, it's hardly conclusive
evidence of her remaining alive.

|>                                                            It looks,
|> though, as if she may have got more than she bargained for as the 
|> Police seem to have decided that in order to solve this "mystery" they
|> need to do a detailed search of her house for any evidence that might
|> indicate what was going on!

Of course, if the police were in on the conspiracy, you'ld expect them
to turn her house over once she was out of the way.
--
Robin (Keep Radio 3 != Classic FM) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Report on Gritz from Idaho
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:36:07 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1993Jan24.190540.22575@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <1993Jan24.102050.2547@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>More code words.  By all means let's drill into the American people that
>>to speak out against the "New World Order" and the corrupt internationalists
>>behind this movement or to object to the Federal Reserve System which is
>>the mainstay of our crumbling economic system means that one is by
>>definition some type of political weirdo...most likely neo-Nazi.  If one
>>understood that the shaping up of the new international order smells of
>>fascism in its most virulent form and that Federal Reserve is really
>>code for economic tyranny, then acceptance of these "code words" might
>>not be automatic regardless of what politician's mouth delivers them.
> 
> Please explain Gritz's Nazi salutes and membership in and support of
> the Identity Christian movement.  Please also explain why a non-racist
> would choose to run on the same ticket as David Duke.  Please explain
> why a non-Nazi associates himself with folks who claim the Holocaust
> didn't happen.
> 
> What evidence would you require, Joe, before you considered Gritz an
> anti-Semite or racist?
> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 

And what do your comments have to do with my point about code words
other than to raise an old spectre.  Gritz, warts and virtues, has
been belabored at length on this newsgroup.  About the only negative
information has come from the Chip Berlet direction and I have about
as much confidence in his writings and you do in those of Lyndon
LaRouche...particularly since his recent remarks about L. Fletcher
Prouty who helped Oliver Stone with his monumental work "JFK".
But you make a nice attempt to change the subject from the issue of
your "code words".  

Please advise us on how to rearrange our vocabularies so we will be
politically correct in the future.

Otherwise, I can answer your comments above no better than Steve Crocker
and John Redelfs already have in their very succinct statements.

-Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.war,alt.activism.d
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Nationalism or the Sewer?
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:39:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Along similar lines to the concerns raised in Joe's post, let me 
point out for those who may have missed it that Richard Thornburg
is now Undersecretary for Administration at the U.N. ALong with 
his other unsavory activities, this individual is responsible for
the "Thornburg doctrine" which asserts the right of the U.S. to kidnap
a foreign national to stand trial in the U.S. for violations of 
U.S. law committed on foreign soil. This is easily the most blatant
and unashamed assertion of imperial perogatives since the days of
Teddy Roosevelt. Waht other toxicv waste did Bush and his internatiuonalists
dump at this site?

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Yale Law One-World Government?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:06:32 GMT

In article <1jllqhINNccj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>Ted, you say that somebody posted the CFR membership list, and you
>found it no more impressive than the Yale Law alumni. I suspect you
>are mistaken. The CFR membership includes 1500 people and makes a 
>LONG document. 

The Yale Law alumni list is 175 people * 100 years or so of existence.
That's much larger than CFR by an order of magnitude.  Even if you only
look at the last forty years of graduates, it's several times larger. 
Note that it's a third of the size of, say, Harvard Law, but is much 
more influential these days.  Conspiracy?

>After all, the CFR issues invitations on the basis of
>position and influence, while such is not automatically guaranteed to 
>Yale Law graduates. 

But Yale Law acceptees?  Thousands upon thousands apply every year
for Yale Law -- only a few are chosen.

>Do you know of an accessible source for the Yale Law list? 

Call up their alumni office.  I don't know the New Haven area code off-hand,
but the number is 432-1655.

(Off course, I could just be telling you about Yale Law to distract
you from the *real* Chicago Law conspiracy.  BWahahahahahahahaha!)
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Destruction of the U.S. (and Canada and ...)
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:45:45 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I think that if we trully are here for a "Conspiracy" then let us rise above
these "old line"  high jinks and come up with a true conspiracy of Global
perspective.

President Bill Clinton, a well known Canada sympathizer, has hinted toward
bringing Health Care to the millions in the U.S. who dont have it.  I propose
that the Preseident is in fact a modern day Benedict Arnold (who was actually
a good guy) and is moving towards Canadianizing the entire population of the
U.S.!

Yes Ladies & Gents the "Kinder, gentler nation" is in fact Canada and Clinton
knows it.  Canadians can waste no fear on N.A.F.T.A for it is the North
American manifest destiny to become "like Canadians"!

Thus you have you conspiracy.

Yey Bill!
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: What the Trilateralists truly intend
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:55:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.160523.5914@westford.ccur.com> harty@westford.ccur.com (Kevin Harty) writes:
>"An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, is likely
>to get us to world order faster than the old-fashioned frontal attack."
>-- Council on Foreign Relations member Richard Gardner from his article
>   "Hard Road to World Order" in CFR journal "Foreign Affairs", April 1974.
>   (Gardner is now a Clinton advisor.  He was a former Deputy Assistant
>   Secretary of State, and a former Ambassador to Italy)

That's nothing -- have you seen what's been in the Yale Law Journal lately?

This Gardner statement could mean absolutely anything out of context.  For
all we know, he's speaking against world order and warning against
incrementalism.  Nor is there any indication that Gardner, who's a minor
functionary at best ("deputy assistant"? give me a break), speaks for 
the CFR.  Foreign Affairs prints opinion pieces of widely diverging 
viewpoints.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("The Nerve-Ending Fairy")
Subject: FDR
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:31:43 GMT

Okay, did FDR know exactly when Pearl Harbor was going to
happen and hush it up so the American public would ralley
behind WWII?  I've heard rumors...



	Mick Stone
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From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Masons
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:16:40 GMT
 <1993Jan20.163855.9773@midway.uchicago.edu> 
 <1j4cq2INN35c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
 <1993Jan19.174117.2914@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> 
 <1993Jan20.231802.7359@odin.corp.sgi.com>  
 <1993Jan25.190308.27340@odin.corp.sgi.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

My two cents about this :

Any society this large and this secret (i.e. Masons) is bound to be
filled with corruption. This applies to any organization, especially
the Catholic Church, the world's #1 source of sexism and homophobia.  
Quote : "Never trust any group of people larger than a squad."


-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College, its students, or anyone else.
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..."- R.E.M.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Repost: "The Insiders" part 1 of 4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:45:24 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe):
>As communism continues to advance toward total world domination [...]

*plonk*
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"