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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Dances with Dunces (was Re: Dances with Lesbians)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:48:13 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <mattm-200193140458@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) 
   strives for the wit of Molly Ivins but can manage only Miles Kimball:

>There's a lot of life in this bear, I'll give him that.

 I _do_ tend to be lively, just ask my friends.

>>    1.  AFH's:  The basic Attitude From Hell queens -- their shit
>[read:  people who turned him down, hard]

  Read:  People Matthew knows better than to glance at, even once.
> 
>>    2.  CRQ's:  Confused Redneck Queens; they know they're queer,
>[read: people who turned him down, soft]

  Read:  People Matthew cruised who slung the same amount of (if not
         more) attitude at him as he threw at them.
> 
>>    3.  AHO's:  Assorted Hangers-On.  May show up with an AFH, but
>[read:  people he turned down, but doesn't want to take reponsibility
>for]
> 

  Read:  Matthew's target trick du jour who, once they cleared out
         of the smoky bar (hey, let's tie as many threads together 
         as possible), excused himself to go to the bathroom.

         In Alaska.

>> Occasionally, you'll be luck and find that rare person from the fourth
>> category -- a real person.

>[read:  him]

  Read:  Or anyone who values the strength of their neurons as opposed
         to the holding strength of their mousse, gel, or hair spray.

>> Alter these basic descriptions from "queen" to "dweeb", and you've
>> got most SF conventions.

>[read:  he wasn't very popular in high school, either]

(Let's see, I have to translate this into prissyqueenspeak for Matthew.)

Au contraire, sweetheart.  The crowd of which I was part was one of the
two "in" crowds -- one composed of the jocks and cheerleaders, the other
containing the "brains" and musicians.

But, then again, I didn't (and don't) give a damn about the opinions held
by self-proclaimed "divas" about my friends.  I've never needed to use 
strangers to try to validate my life.  Parking tickets, yes, life, no.

>> And some of us haven't had to in years, since we found our husbear
>> (who gets off work an hour before I do <dot> <dot> <dot> )

>[read:  to many AFH, CRQ, and AHO's to keep track of]

  Read:  Nope, just one, and out of category four.  And next month we'll 
         reach our third anniversary.

         *!SNAP!*

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Dropped Messages
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:03:26 GMT


It appears that PSI - our newsfeed provider - has
dropped all soc.motss messages posted between last
Thursday and Monday.  Who knows what I've missed......

As y'all probably know, there was a little motss
bruncheonette on Sunday.  In my opinion, it was 
delightful.  Thanks to all attendees for making
it so.

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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Blatant birthday information! :-)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:16:33 CST

Sorry everyone, just couldn't resist spilling the beans
about my birthday tomorrow.
I will be the ripe old age of 25! :-(
<sob> I want to be 21 again!

Eddie
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:27:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.070950.1462@netcom.com>
rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) writes:

>>Sounds inordinally sinful to me.

>No, Jess, I think if you have so many you lose count it's considered a
>cardinal sin.

Ah lef' null judgment calls to your Eminence, out of respect.

>--Rich, who is sure he'll regret having encouraged Jess Anderson
>  in a pun thread

You will be Richly Reworded.

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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:52:50 GMT

It seems to be never the twain shall meet time.

Richard Johnson is pro Melmon:
> He is not for everyone; but then, who _is_ on this forum?  There are gems
> to be found amongst all that hard, black coal.

Steve Dyer is contra Melmon:
> I can't imagine anyone being particularly interested
> in actually meeting Melmon unless he had a personality transplant first.

Jeff Dauber is pro Melmon:
> He gets a number of people here worked up while laughing at them.
> For that, I give him a lot of credit.

Owen Rowley is contra Steve Dyer (does that make him pro Melmon?):
> I'm not particularly interested in pretending that
> I care whether or not you get to draw another breath.

Can it be coincidence that the pros are on the West Coast and the cons
on the East?  The pros seem to be winning out at the moment, but
perhaps if I add my weight to the cons the additional leverage of
being so much eastlier than even Mr Dyer will right the balance.  I
suppose it depends where the fulcrum is.  Madison?

,
Eamonn
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:19:01 CST
From: MJ <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton Names White House E-Mail Director
 <C1Hno9.9ou@athena.cs.uga.edu>

In article <C1Hno9.9ou@athena.cs.uga.edu>, wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
says:
>
>In article <1k4ncrINNm31@umbc5.umbc.edu> ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan26.235017.1301@PacBell.COM>                               m
>rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.co
>(Rod Williams) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>From Communications Daily, 1/19/93...
>>>
>>>    The Clinton Administration will become the first presidency
>>>    to have an official responsible for making official
>>>    Presidential documents widely available using electronic
>>>    distribution.  Jonathan Gill has been named Director of
>>>    via such electronic venues as CompuServe, GEnie and Internet.
>>
>>       Please find us the Internet Address, somone.....
>>It would be fun  to E-mail the pres. don't you think?  Oh, and not to
>>mention useful...

Yes there is.  75300.3115@compuserve.com

>There's not a useful e-mail address yet, and nothing like
>bill@whitehouse yet. Jock (! that's what he calls himself in the
>Clinton-Volunteers mailings) Gill is up to his eyeballs in transition
>work. As soon as one surfaces, I'll post it.
>
>--
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From: ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Inaugural Poem
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:25:01 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
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In article <1k15bsINNogh@shelley.u.washington.edu> lmeissne@carson.u.washington.edu (Loren Meissner) writes:
>
>Did anyone notice that the text of the Inaugural poem as carried
>over the wire services (I posted the wire service version earlier today)
>omitted the reference to Gays?
>
>Can any of the more literary enlighten us on this?
>Are the wire services homophobic?
>Dis Angelou ad-lib the Gay reference at the last minute?
>Is the Gay reference part of the "original" written text of the
>poem?

	Just an opinion....  Didn't Angelou write that poem?  If that is
the case, then everything she read is from the original author, thus is part
of the original poem... IMHO.





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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! : -)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:13:34 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <thaaang.727990262@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
>(John Dorrance) writes:

>>(titter) Flatterer! I'll get to *you* as soon as I'm done with Jess.

>In general, I believe in sharing.  And Tim is such a nice
>man that I'd be especially glad to share with him.

Are you asking me to spread the wealth, Jess?

>But I
>would be remiss if I concealed my plan to use you *up*;
>there's not likely to be much left when you're done with me.

Ouch. This reminds me of a line from a play called _The Foreigner_:
'There's not enough left of your mother to spread on toast!' (or
something along those lines)

>Of course, if I die in the process, then you might inherit
>some *very* nice things!  :-)

Oh joy! I'll be right over to sing for my supper.

John 'The Merry Widow' Dorrance

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Where is Ron Dellums? (was Re: Congressional Contacts...)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:00:06 GMT

> chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:

>> Has anyone heard from Rep. Ronald Dellums, Mr. Liberal himself, the new
>> chair of the House Armed Services Committee?  Why hasn't he had
>> anything to say about lifting the military ban?  Maybe we should get
>> on the phone to him.
>> 
>I haven't seen hide nor hair of him on the various talk shows either.  Perhaps
>he is a bit stung that the House Armed Services Committee hadn't been asked to
>hold any hearings?

He doesn't have to be asked.  The chairperson decides what
hearings to hold.

>Between he and Pat Schroeder on the House committee...
         ^^
Ouch! "him," please -- just between you and me, prepositions
take the accusative case.  You and I should chat some more
about this... :-)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: warning about *Heartlands* (fwd)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:21:02 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9301242227.G6714-d100000@dante>
awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:

>rey.ke  1/24/93 warning about *Heartlands*=0A

Seems to have been a good idea.  Pretty large oopsie there.

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:08:30 GMT

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>[Brent Capps summarizes conclusions]

>>Well? Are you going to remain a dickface or not?

>I have the honour to remain
>your obedient servant.

Boundless JOY! I've heard a thing or two about you...

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From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Personal losses in CO 2
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:31:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.111021.21793@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
> 
> All
> I could say to myself was Carma, what goes around will come around.

You want to watch that Carma, she's a femme fatale if ever there was
one. Hanging out in the bar, the black light on her face showing the
stark truth. Tight leather skirt, cigarette balanced provocatively
in the ivory-white hands. She sneers. A wisp of smoke rises from
her mouth. She's there for you. You weren't looking for her, thought
you'd left her back somewhere, somewhen, else. But she's here for you.
And she's all yours. Care to dance, stranger? And you've heard that
music before, but you can't quite tell where. But your feet do.
The crowd parts. This is your show. This is your night. And
she's here for you. Just you.




--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:37:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.185721.12123@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>I don't think the Clinton honeymoon with GL people will
>last past the March on Washington if he doesn't start
>implementing his promises by then.  The March could be
>either a celebration or protest depending on how much
>progress the new adminstration makes.

If we want to go with the honeymoon metaphor, I'll add that
it takes two to make a marriage or honeymoon successful.
I've said it before and I do believe that Clinton's
election represents the beginning of our work - the goal
wasn't to get the man elected so that he can fix all our
problems.  He can't.  What his election means to me is that
our position is no longer hopeless:  we have someone who
appears willing to listen to us, where before we didn't.
*Now* is the time to hunker down and get to work, whether
that work is political action through mainstream glb
organizations, agitation through QN, ACT-UP, etc., or
individual letter-writing campaigns.

I'm flexing my fingers and warming up my word processor -
at last there's hope at the national level.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Melissa Etheridge Comes Out - Yaahoo!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:19:25 GMT



Etheridge coming out is hardly a surprise.  Last year, in a published
interview, she gave her reasons for not coming out.

Heterosexuals do not, in general, enumerate reasons they aren't coming
out...  %-)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:10:56 GMT

In article <smith_bob_e-280193085613@130.252.150.115>
smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Mod Bob) writes:

>PS- By the way, is there any precedent in the group for this sort of
>    voice-vote referendum on an individual?  Seems rather less than
>    genteel, to me.  And no, replying that "neither is Matthew" cuts
>    precisely no ice with me.

Amazing, isn't it?  The sandbox contains sand.

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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:57:21 GMT

I don't think the Clinton honeymoon with GL people will last past the March on Washington
if he doesn't start implementing his promises by then.  The March could be either a
celebration or protest depending on how much progress the new adminstration makes.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: soc.motss brunch in NYC: thank you
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:49:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.012356.22331@Princeton.EDU> dem@cs.Princeton.EDU (Doron Meyer) writes:

>Everyone was stupendously nice to me and me feel right at home.


What an *AWFUL* thing to say!  Why next everybody will be thinking
that Greg, Tovah, Joe, JT, Dave, and I are *NICE*.  What a horrible
thought, why the next thing will be e-hugs, and heaven knows what
all.  


Now you go back out there and tell them how awful we were to you
this instant!  Quick boy, our reputations as heartless, cruel,
Cobra People is at stake!  Fail to obey, and I shall summon
*THE* Cobra Woman, then you'll be sorry.  really you will.


Ry
ry@usl.com
Cobraette
From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:36:32 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: linguist.meaddata.com

There is a discussion on our company's local net concerning pedophilia as
one type of sexual orientation.  Although the thread did start with
someone mentioning homosexuals and pedophilia in the same sentence, the
two have now been separated in the discussion.

The discussion has brought up the question of whether laws put in place to
provide civil rights protection on the basis of sexual orientation would
somehow include pedophilia as a sexual orientation.

I assume that current laws protecting minors from sexual imposition by
adults regardless of gender preference would still apply.  However, if
pedophilia is a sexual orientation, how far would the rights of the
pedophile extend.  Presumably they end where the rights of the child begin,
but would a daycare center, for example, be able to query potential
employees on this?

Any comments, suggestions, etc., so that I can hold up my end of the
argument?

Mark
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Prodigy pulls the plug
Organization: Hetaris Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:24:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.035202.12944@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>
>Prodigy has terminated an adult section of their BB center.  Known
>as "Frank Discussion", the topics under that section included   
>"AlternateLifeStyles", primarily GBL oriented but included cross-dressing,
>Dominate/submissive and several other genre.
>
>Access was gained by retyping one's password and a certain amount of 
>censorship was imposed but generally, the subjects and the language
>was fairly explicit and permissive.
>
>It was the decision of Prodigy to merge them into existing groups and
>apply a very strict censorship on language and content.
>
>People are not happy!

What else can you expect from companies that are going broke and started
Prodigy only to sell you something you did not need at a price that you did
not need to pay?  If they (IBM & SEARS) were serious about providing an
information service then they would get rid of the constant on screen ads.


Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Children of the Rainbow (cont.)
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:01:24 GMT
Organization: New York University


Joseph Fernandez, Chancellor of the New York City public school system, 
announced today that he was withdrawing the Children of the Rainbow  
Curriculum as it was originally submitted and will be offering a revised 
version which omits "Daddy's New Roommate" and "Heather Has Two Mommies" 
from the reading list.  Also, all mention of gays and lesbians will be 
omitted but the phrase "same gendered parents" will be used instead.


Emily
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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Clue phone for William J. Clinton
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:39:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan26.000442.14043@bsu-ucs> 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

   A hint to Bill Clinton and the army-thingy...
   Hello, William....
   You run the army
   the army does not run you..
   Remember the army's reaction to desegregation of the army
   Remember the fuss?
   How hard is it to find a white guy and a black guy chatting in the barracks?
   Not too hard...
   Hmmmm....
   Clue phone for the President...
   Line 2.
   brandon

And here's a clue for you:  If Clinton passed an Executive Order
today, the congress would have the votes to overturn it.  Which would
be the worst possible course of events.

This MUST be done correctly, or we're going to be worse off than
before.

Change must start now, as all indications are that the opposition is
growing.  So an immediate halt to the investigations and to asking new
recruits about their sexuality is a good way to start that.  And it
will help defuse the argument that the military will fall apart.

But if Clinton simply waves a pen, it's gonna get waved right back in
our faces.

Sometimes the real world isn't so simple.
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:29:29 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
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In article <1993Jan21.221344.25278@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
>
>Well, call me British but I would kill for a cup of Prince of Wales tea with 
>a dollop of cover honey.  It's almost as good as sex.  (There may be some 
>things better than sex, and some things worse.  But there is nothing exactly
>like it.  --W.C. Fields.)
>
>					Steve L.
>
OOOOOOOHHHHHH!  I love this food & sex thing.  Chinese honey buns (also known
as sweet buns) are the next best thing to sex _I've_ found.  Also Nanaimo
Bars, only not as good.  Anyone else have suggestions?

Alpha

Ob-bi:  I'm going to Stanford Women's Basketball tonight--Yeah!!!!!!!



***********************Blonde, Buxom, Bisexual, Badass Biker********************

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1974 CB360 (Sexy Sadie)		       * percolate so well anymore!"
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just a groovy little motorbike..."     *---------ROMANI ITE DOMUM---------
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