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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Is there.. and *Burning...
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:33:08 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

With all the "Is thre anyone out there who isn't baptist" and "*Burning
Albums*" stuff it's hard to get around this newsgroup anymore.  I'm all for
ending possibilities of the flame wars.

As far as denominations are concerned, listen to Mylon's 'Denomination
Demolition' for one.  Then, isn't the best denom. the one that helps your
relationship with Christ the most?

Where music is concerned, there is music.  Some is uplifting to the Lord, most
is not.  Using the words "secular" and "Christian" just to describe  sides of   
the market, I believe that we can agree that 99%-100% of secular music is not
uplifting or praising God.  Also, 25%-40% of all Christian music is not praise
to God in any way.  Just because they talk about things that happen in the
Christian walk does not mean that it is praising God.  With me so far?  I think
that it is fine to write about the "good-moral" things or the "Godly-morality"
things.  We shouldn't bust on Amy when she writes about a good boy-girl
relationship when Kenny Marks writes mostly about his wife (and nobody is
busting on him).

Hopefully, I haven't made too many mistakes in the way I typed this (I'm
hurrying to get done).

Now we get into Christian dances.  I'm not quite sure where I stand on these,
but at this time I don't look too favorably toward them.  First of all, are we
giving people an excuse to "bump and grind", because it's Christian music?  Are
there any differences in the WAY that people dance to Christian music, compared
to the way people dance at clubs, bars, secular "sock-hops", etc.?


Just so you know where I am coming from (background wise):
I am two-years old (Christian years), otherwise I'm 20.
I attend a very charismatic pentecostal worship service (Word or Rhema chruch).
I'm the co-chair for Chi Alpha Ministries (branch of the Assembies of God
churches) at the University of Northern Iowa. 
I also take classes here.  Next semester I'm taking Biblical Greek and New
Testament.  Also I will be taking correspondence from the Berean College of the
Bible.
I play bass for the band "They That Wait" currently and have toured with "Arc
Ministries" just over a year ago.

Hopefully that gives you a little idea where I'm coming from.


Trusting in the Lord Almighty!
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

ps More mail for flames.  Less posting for flames.
From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Grateful Dead? (no flames, please)
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:05:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul29.060509.29643
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <1992Jul28.225208.16168@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>
>Does anyone know why the Grateful Dead has a kind of tarnished
>reputation, or what is behind their name, or why they use skeletons as
>a logo?  I haven't really analyzed their lyrics. Neither had the
>people who commented on my sticker, they are mainly curious about
>their name.  I've never really noticed a connection of the symbolism
>to their lyrics.  They seem pretty harmless to me.  Am I being totally
>naive? Does anybody know more about them?

The Dead came out of the 60's psychedelic scene in San Francisco.  They
provided the music for Ken Kesey's Acid Tests (or whatever those parties
were called).  To be fair, acid was not illegal in until 1965.  (Read
"The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe for a really well-written
look at this period).  They are in no way Christian.  They allegedly
chose the name "grateful dead" from the dictionary; it is a Celtic
myth about good spirits.  Don't know about the skeletons.

That said, I like the Dead.  (Why, oh why, am I saying this?  Why don't
I just hang out a sign that says "Flame me; tell me I am going to Hell"?)
I like their music, I like their "gentle outlaw" attitude, and I like the
fact that they let anyone tape their concerts for free.  And I have never
listened to any of their music stoned and I *still* like it! (No, I am
not a Deadhead.)

>
>(BTW, I haven't been reading the secular vs. christian music thread...
>if there is one... I'm asking specifically about the Grateful Dead, I
>really want to know! No flames, please :-)

While posting/reading the secular music thread, I kept thinking of the
lyrics to  "Scarlet Begonias":

"Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places
if you look at right."

  --Kim
-- 
kim@techbook.COM    Not affiliated with TECHbooks
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From: nab4574@sigma.tamu.edu (Neil Alan Burleson)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke update part 2
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.143506.28327@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes...
> 
>I wrote yesterday morning to s.r.c:
>> This is getting interesting, folks.
>> 
>I wrote that yesterday morning.  Since, I have read Part One of Warnke  
>Ministries' response, and I'm getting more and more flabbergasted all of  
>the time.  This is rapidly evolving to an "it's my word against yours"  
>type of situation and somebody eventually is going to have to realize that  
>the truth is eventually going to come out, whether it's in this world or  
>the next.
> 
The DATES.TXT article (which compares Warnke's own words to real life
events) seems to be pretty convincing. Here we have some irrefutable
facts that show Warnke's claims don't hold up without pitting his
word against someone else's. Unless Warnke can demonstrate how he
accomplished all he said he accomplished in such a short span of time...

>clueless chuck
>PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
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| Neil Burleson   Texas A&M Univerity,  College Station, Texas  USA   |
+------------------------|     neilb@tamu.edu     |  nab4574@tamzeus  |
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"Taste and see that the LORD is good;
       blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him."  -- Psalm 34:8
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From: emm@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Wendigo)
Subject: Re: Weird Al (was: Christian Ripoffs)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:59:59 GMT

caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.230935.741@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>>BTW, I am pretty sure that he gets permission before doing a parody of
>>someone's song, as part of the parody involves mimicking the original
>>as closely as possible in one way or another.  I saw an interview with
>>him in which he said that most artists are very cooperative, but that
>>one artist in particular (it was Prince, but he did not mention any
>>names himself) had consistently refused his consent.

>Go a step further. The artists he parrodies have full review and approval of
>the final product. 

All the above is true.  I remember reading a newpaper article in which he said
that he has to get permission of the artist to be able to do a parody, and that
when he started people thought he was nuts, but now most people take it as
kind of an honor if he wants to rip off one of their songs.

The only artist to every consistantly say no to him is prince, which Al said
he thought was strange because he always thought migits had a sense of humour.
-- 
Wendigo   [ Occasionally thought of as     | What can you say about a
            emm@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au ] | society that believes God is
   { Sometimes answers to Evan McLean }    | dead and Elvis is Alive?
From: 11439106@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (SHAWN FOO)
Subject: Phil Keaggy Video
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:38:58 GMT

	I was just wondering if anyone out there has seen the Phil Keaggy 
electric guitar instructional video.... Is it any good? More importantly, is 
it worth buying??????
	In Oz, I believe it costs about $57 from Word bookstore.... not 
exactly the sort of money I want to spend on something if I ain't gonna get 
anything out of it.......

	Thanks...
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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: L'Abri and Schaeffer (was Mark Heard)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.165728.13741@pencom.com> meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV) writes:

  [stuff on mark's condition deleted. BTW, thanks for the update]


>I have to agree with Michael on Mark's music.  he
>was alternative in some fashion as long as I've
>known him, and long before the term was commonly
>used as a musical category.  He's even alternative
>compared to the alternative groups.  He has always
>had integrity, both as a musician and as a Christian.
>he spent time in La Brie (sp?) with Francis Schaeffer,
>to better understand making art as a Chrsitian, and
>simply living as a Christian in the world today.
>
  For the record, the name of the place is L'Abri, which is
  French for "shelter." I suspect it -- and Francis Schaeffer
  (now with the Lord) -- has had an impact on christians and
  art (including CCM). For an old (1973) statement on just
  what is "christian" art, the role of art in the life of hte
  christian, and other issues that habitually show up in discussions
  on christian art and music, see Schaeffer's _Art and the Bible_.

  La Brie is a French cheese. 
  L'Abri  is a french word for shelter. L'Abri was a study center /
  cluster of buildings / group of people in a village in Switzerland
  where Schaeffer and his family lived for a number of years (1955 -
  some time in 1983). It was a shelter in that people could come there
  and talk about God, whether Christian, agnostic, athiest, or some
  other religion. I believe the "work," if that's what you can
  call it now, is headed by Ranald Macaulay, his son in law. There is
  a "branch" in Minnesota, I believe. Anyone wishing further information
  on Schaeffer or L'Abri is free to contact me.

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From: daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:08:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.014713.9884@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.020112.3683@techbook.com> kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
>Speaking of Madeleine L'Engle, here's a question I've never been able to
>find the answer to.  Why have I heard so much that she was Christian, or
>that her books were?  When I read "A Wrinkle in Time", the only thing I
>was able to find was a statement that Buddha, Mohammed, Christ, et al.
>were 'great shining lights of humanity' or something like that.  Certainly
>not the message Christ preached!  (Not in the NIV, anyway.  :^)  )
>Any Takers?
>			--Michael!

YES!!!! I will take.  Ms. L'Engle is my favorite author on the face of this
earth and she is Absolutely a Christian.  I don't read her because she is a
Christian....but it just happened to work out that way.  If you are saying she
is not a Christian because of a fiction book...aimed at fantasy and
imagination, then you have much reading to do.  I find many Christian
references in that book.  Of course you find what you want to find
because people have said there are sex scenes (when there are none) 
Anyway...If you need some kind of proof that she is a Christian  I'd suggest
reading the following  _Walking on Water_Reflections on Faith and Art_,
  _Letters from Crosswicks_, (all non-fiction)  or even in Fiction _The Small
Rain___and _The Severed Wasp_  .  Also she has a recent series published by
the Wheaton Press....._And It Was Good_, _Stone For A Pillow_ and _Journey
Into Egypt_  ....
I started on her fiction, which is absolutely amazing, and then I moved to her
non-fiction which I read even when I wasn't a Christian.  She is a wonderful
woman and a favorite speaker at Wheaton College in Illinois.  Please, read
more of her, she has made a real impact on my life.  Especially if you are an
artist or a musician...she has wonderful discussion about the place of Gd in
her own art.  Sorry if I rambled but I feel very strongly about her as an
author.  Amy
From: rabanes@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory S. Rabanes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Keith Green tribute.
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:59:48 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii


I just got the "No Compromise" disc last week. Here's a track list:

 1. Your Love Broke Through (Russ Taff)
 2. He'll Take Care Of The Rest (Steven Curtis Chapman)
 3. Grace By Which I Stand (Steve Green)
 4. I Can't Believe It (Charlie Peacock)
 5. I Don't Want To Fall Away (Petra)
 6. Oh Lord, You're Beautiful (Margaret Becker)
 7. Asleep In The Light (Michael Card)
 8. Summer Snow (Susan Ashton)
 9. You Are The One (Rich Mullins)
10. Make My Life A Prayer To You (Melody Green Sievright)
11. How Can They Live Without Jesus? (Glad)
12. There Is A Redeemer (Brown Bannister & Kelly Willard)

My favorite track on this CD is Margaret Becker's version of "Oh
Lord, You're Beautfiul" :)
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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:01:14 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

Ever feel like you can't win?  People gripe when posters disagree
with one another, and then other folks gripe when, miracle of
miracles, it appears that most people actually agree on something.

But in the interest of equal opportunity, we now present the liberal
point of view:

I think it should be fairly clear that the kingdom of God is within
us all, and that we all contain a spark of divinity, and that by
letting the Numinous Other (whose names are Mature Person, Person,
and Holy Spirit) fill our souls, we can change the world, for we
are the world and we are the children, and the gates of Guilt and
Bad Feelings and Dysfunctional Families shall not prevail against us.  

There, I feel better now.  Anybody want to start a support group for 
theological conservatives?

>Has anybody heard anything else on Mark Heard? I've never really
>got into him, but it seems I missed some really good stuff.

There's a lot of really good stuff.  My favorites are "Victims of the
Age," "Dry Bones Dance," and "Satellite Sky," but I don't think
you can really go wrong with anything he's released.  
 
>Bill
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Beldin Feldegast          Wouldn't it, couldn't it, shouldn't it be nice     |
>| Georgia Tech              to be in love? Wouldn't it, couldn't it, shouldn't |
>| gt9730a@prism.gatech.edu  it be nice to be above, all of the pain, and frust-|
>| If I cared, I'd be        ration of being alone. Nobody, nobody, nobody likes|
>| apathetic!!               to be chilled to the bone. - 77's                  |
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com

(who's not a Baptist, but who sometimes likes hanging out with them)
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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: warnke: literary liberty?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:53:04 GMT

First of all, I find the Cornerstone allegations convincing.

Now, are we (the rest of christians) somewhat to blame, for taking Mike
Warnke too seriously? This isn't a seriously developed thought, but 
i wonder. I mean, he _is_ a comedian. And you don't expect to believe
everything a comedian tells you. Like Warnke talks about firefights in
Vietnam, napalm exploding around, etc, and then he says that he was
struck by an arrow. Obviously he did not really get hit by an arrow, and 
the account was for humor. 

Now, I'm not excusing what appears to be gross sexual immorality (like
4 wives), or making up an entirely fradulant testimony (assuming he was
never in the occult). but isn't his story consistent with being a
comedian, a story teller?

maybe as christians we believe everything that someone says, especially if
it is a conversion story. 

Granted these are half-baked thoughts. and he was passing himself off --
not just in a comedy routine, but in his entire ministry -- to having been
something that he never (apparently) was. 

comments?
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john r la plante                    calling from the Ohio State University
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Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:54:08 EST

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
> Does anyone else here know and like these folks?  Or have any
> similar recommendations for Christian fiction and/or poetry?
> Don't tell me about Lewis, Tolkien, Williams, Peretti, Lawhead, et 
> al.  That's okay, but I'm looking for something besides tracts
> disguised as fantasy novels (no, that doesn't really apply to
> C.S., J.R.R., and Charles, but Peretti and Lawhead bore me to
> tears).  Just to help you out some, the contemporary writers that
> I esteem most highly are Dillard, O'Connor, John Updike, Gabriel
> Garcia Marquez, Milan Kundera, Thomas Pynchon, and Graham Green.  
> Anybody willing to recommend something else along those lines?

if you -do- like CS & JRR you might want to look up Malcolm
Muggeridge. he can get a bit dry at times, but then i'm the
sort who feasts on dry english theology & wit.

BTW, i first heard about Muggeridge from a comment in the
Choir's Chase the Kangaroo lyric insert. (the tape. the comments
for the CD are different. and they changed the "he smokes
a lot of Camels" line, but left the *No Smoking* comment
at the top. how's that for an aside?)

jason "in tears for man's condition" steiner

--
would you could you should you cross thru if i could wipe my eyes a blinding
compromise another pinky shave enlightens the brow now cow to die another day
if you prefer outside be blessed sir ostracize better bastard now forgotten
well instead of favored son of hell in hopes to open eyes - scaterd few, U
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
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From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.140311.22740@rice.edu> mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:

>This makes me think : Time for a humor break!

>Christian phrase                           Real World Translation
>----------------                           ----------------------
>"sword of the Holy Spirit" above           a flame
>fellowship (We're fellowshipping)          hanging with the homies
>sharing (Share X with us)                  shooting the BS 
>a blessing (That concert was a blessing)   way cool
>"I will pray for you"                      "Boy you're a heretic"

>I'm sure there are many more - get your submissions in soon
>for the "most ridiculous Christianized phrase" contest!

How about:

 Urgent prayer request                      Juicy gossip
("Did you hear about So-and-so?
S/he really needs prayer for this
terrible sin...")

Okay, so it's not all that funny.  Unfortuanately, though, it's often
true...


Roberta Taylor KB2OOA  | You let me sing a song for you every now and then,
AT&T Bell Laboratories | But I'm asking you, when are you gonna listen?
Whippany, NJ           | You say I never sing about anyone but Jesus
rlt@gummo.att.com  <>< | Well, that's because Jesus is my song. ---Anne Herring
From: bhm@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Bruce H. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Night of Joy agenda?
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:46:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Has anyone glommed onto a list of who's going to be at Night of Joy at 
DisneyWorld this year?   The only near-sure news I've heard is Petra (which
is something of an inevitability, and probably the only redeeming feature 
of the event! :-) ).  Anyhow, if anyone's heard, please post ASAP.  Thanks!

Bruce H. McIntosh    bhm@cis.ufl.edu                        Jesus has risen!
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                     brucem@neufhou.mail.ufl.edu
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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Randy Stonehill Question
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:31:00 GMT

In article <22JUL92.08279388.0013@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
> 
> In article <geOYCha00WB7892G8g@andrew.cmu.edu> st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:
> >The song "Shut De Do" also appears in a live version on Randy Stonehill's
> >recent half-live album "Until We Have Wings."  This album, unlike the
> >aforementioned "Equator" is still in print.
> >
> >Steve Timm
> >.
> >.
> 
> It's still possible to find a few copies of Equator running around,
> especially at Stonehill concerts, but as far as I know, it was
> very recently released on disc.  At least, that's what the album notes
> for "UWHW" says.
> 
> --Jeffrey

What about this?  Are you saying that you think Equator was released on CD?
If so, can anyone confirm this?  I'm a diehard Stonehill fan, and have long
wished to get his first five albums on CD.  His first album is a classic.
If anyone has ANY info regarding Randy Stonehill's first five albums pressed
onto CD's, please post or email!

Thanks in advance,

Chris S.

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