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From:         Richard Moses <daoamoses%a1.ubamv0.UMSRTR.umc@UMSULX.MINC.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      RE:TEI PRICING

I would like to buy PC's, workstations, PC software, supplies, and DEC
hardware, but I am totally confused as to what discount now applies to TEI
pricing. If anyone knows what the discount schedule is for all DEC products,
please send me a breakdown. When I call DECdirect or Desktop Direct I get a
different story and price each time. Does anyone at DEC marketing know how
this type of confusion leads to disintegration of customer confidence?


Richard L. Moses
Director of Information Services
University of Baltimore
Richard_Moses@ube.ub.umd.edu
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From:         "Jim Kirkpatrick" <JIMKIRK@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Technical questions on TEI-L

I would like to lodge a minor complaint against those who are increasingly
asking technical questions on this list, such as Mark Tarka's question about
writing MAIL directory listings to a file.  This has nothing to do with the
purpose of this list, which is supposed to be about educational software
licensing and support issues.  These sorts of questions belong on Info-VAX
or perhaps one of the UseNet newsgroups, but not here.

I'm not trying to pick on Mark specifically, and if I knew the answer I'd
gladly forward it.  But the question does not belong here.

Jim Kirkpatrick
jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu
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From:         "Prof. David Miller" <DMILLER%BSU.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Downgrading DW-Motif

In anticipation of the DECwindows Motif license removal from CSLG, how do
I "un"install DW Motif and return to DECwindows?

dave.
From: SYSTEM@HPSCHD.CLAREMONT.EDU (Steve Moss)
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I am interested in using the VCS software to manage my 6
VAXes.  However, if I understand the DOCs correctly my
configuration will not support it - My VAXes are linked
only by Ethernet, they are not clustered nor do they
have internal serial ports hooked to terminal servers.
Am I right?  If so is there some other way of managing
them more efficiently (Because each VAX belongs to a
different school, odds are very much against them ever
clustering.)

Thanks

Steve Moss
Claremont Computing Center
Claremont, CA 91711
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Downgrading DW-Motif

>In anticipation of the DECwindows Motif license removal from CSLG, how do

DECwindows Motif is NEVER in CSLG so it will not be removed from CSLG; you
can't. :-)

>I "un"install DW Motif and return to DECwindows?

I believe you can try simply reinstalling DECwindows over DECwindows Motif. If
not, try using the tailoring command procedure to tailor DECwindows Motif to
remove its components (I can't remember the name of the command procedure off
the top of my head.)

Ta Fuh Chiam
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Subject: DEC road show ... SPS SEMINAR
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:03:23 GMT
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Date sent:  6-NOV-1992 10:52:06

Greetings,

  I attended a DEC road show entitled Digital's Software Product Servicess
Awareness Seminar.  I found it very enlightening with several Digital employees
who are actually doing what they were talking about.  Not just another sales
presentation!  :-)

  For example, John Davies, Central States Advanced Electronic Support person
gave a very good presentation on DSNlink.  One new item I learned was that
while only one person here (me) could submit problem reports, anyone I
authorized could use DSN ITS to look at the articles there.  Great!!  I had
previously thought that I was the only one who could look and had been spending
a lot of time extracting them for other staff to view.  Another task I can now
deligate!

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From:         "Mark K. Miller 814-863-7015" <MAX@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Education Pricing Program 1

>Jack, it sounds like you should be using the complaint escalation path to your
>salesdroids boss and up the corporate tree until its fixed or you reach the
>1-800-call-ken level.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Try 1-800-call-bob.  Ken doesn't work here any more.  The number for
Corporate Customer Relations is 1-800-332-4636.
From: PARLOW@HARBORUC.BITNET (AFP)
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Subject: vax PUBLIC ACCESS COMMUNICATIONS software and VMS v5.5/PROBLEM
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We've been using the VAX Public Access Communicatios program (VAX PAC) for quite
some time with NO problems, UNTIL we upgraded to VMS 5.5.

A Description of Our Configuration:

8 stand-alone VAX nodes, 4 running VMS 5.4-3, 1 running VMS 5.5, 2 running VMS
5.5-1 and one running VMS 5.5-2HW. Our modems are attached to DS200 terminal
servers running 3.1 version of terminal server software. We have
version 1.3 of VAX PAC.

A Description of the Problem:

When a user on a node running VMS 5.5 tries to use a modem that is already in
use on a different node, the VAX PAC program fails with an access violation.
This problem does not occur on nodes running VMS 5.4-3.

Has anyone else experienced this problem? If so,
how did you cope with the problem?

Please help! Thank you.
From: connelly@iscsvax.uni.edu (Ken Connelly)
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Subject: CSLG renewal doc error
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:15:58 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

The documentation that came with my CSLG renewal packet contains a glaring
error on page 2.  Under item 4, the doc states:

To redefine LMF to point to the CSLG License Database, insert the following
line in the command procedure sylogicals.com:

$ DEFINE/SYSTEM SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]CAMPUSWIDE_SW_LICENSE_GRANT.LDB


This line most certainly SHOULD be:

$ DEFINE/SYSTEM LMF$LICENSE SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]CAMPUSWIDE_SW_LICENSE_GRANT.LDB


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From:         "Andrew Potter, Assoc. Dir, ISC DCO&TS" <AWPSYS@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      The motif issue and DEC business practices

As I look at the ever increasing suite of X capable products comming from DEC,
I am astounded to see that DEC is providing DUAL window system support for
all of their products.  Motif Mail - DECwindows Mail, Motif TPU - DECwindows
TPU,...Motif DECwrite, Decwindows DECwrite ...the list is endless.

        Two questions to DEC:

        Why cannot you settle on ONE single windowing system and make it
        simply available to ALL DEC systems past and future.   Is the
        small amount of royality to OSF for each machine *really* more expensive
        than what you are paying to develop and support multi-environment
        applications?

        Do you really think these applications are going to be competive
        in the marketplace when they are delayed to market,  buggy-ier, and
        less functional because the developers have to pursue dual environment
        development paths.

Get with the program!

- Andrew Potter
- Associate Director, Data Center Operations
- Rochester Institute of Technology
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:39:09 -0400
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Education Pricing Program 1

Jack, it sounds like you should be using the complaint escalation path to your
salesdroids boss and up the corporate tree until its fixed or you reach the
1-800-call-ken level.

We are facing the prospect ourselfs with much less need.
From: AMYERS@UNMB.BITNET (ANN LOUISE MYERS,
              CIRT LIBRARIAN - 277-8047 AMYERS@UNMB)
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Subject: Legal question about changing OS
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Dear DEC TEI Hot Line:
I have a legal question about a department wanting to change their Micro
VAX II from a VMS system to a ULTRIX System.  I need to also confirm
what Digital's support will be in the near future about ULTRIX for VAX's.
Could you please let me know if it is legal for a cpu to change from a
VMS license to a ULTRIX license.  Is there any problem with this if this
department has their cpu under CSLG and ESL.  Would they also have to
register this cpu again when they have changed over.  If you could please
responde to me as soon as possible. Thank you
Ann Myers
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University of New Mexico
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From:         knight@ACS.HARDING.EDU
Subject:      TEI discount

Hi.

We have been watching the industry news pretty closely related to the changes
DEC is going through.  We had been looking forward to the new lower prices
on "commodity" products.  I was worried that the new pricing might affect
the 30% TEI discount DEC had been giving us, but after talking to at least two
different people from DEC I was assured that the 30% TEI discount would
remain.

Well, I was told differently today.  To make a long story short, DECdirect
told me (after checking with the people who actually apply the discounts)
that for the commodity products that are "on the list" (that have been
discounted recently) our TEI discount is only 7 percent off of that new
discounted price.  At least one person there told me that the new pricing
for these products should always give us TEI folks a price at least as low
as the old 30% discount.  On a product like CompacTape III cartridges that
is true.

However, for something like a TZ86 tape drive the new price for us - after
taking 7% off of DEC's new discounted price - is $500 MORE.  But it gets
worse.  Now two different DECdirect reps have told me that the standard
TEI discount is now only 14%.

Can someone at TEI please give us a final, authoritative answer on this.  I'm
hoping to hear that DECdirect is confused, but...  Has the 30% TEI discount
really been dropped to 14%?  Is the TEI discount on a commodity product "on
the list" only 7%?

Thanks in advance for the CORRECT information.

Adrian Knight
System Manager
Harding University
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:01:42 -0600
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From:         buchanan@BME1.UTMEM.EDU
Subject:      Re: Education Pricing Program 1

Responding to my post, Harry Flowers from Memphis State writes:

>I think you should check on this.  To my knowledge, Tennessee state law
>doesn't forbid using DECdirect.  If it did, there are certainly a lot of
>people breaking this law ;-).  Once you've got approval to purchase an item
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>for a certain price, it doesn't really matter what channel is used; the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>terms and conditions are the same.
I didn't mean to imply we could not use DEC direct but only that there
was a bid process (sometimes informal) involved.  I am told from within
DEC and from within Memphis State that the Memphis State DEC
representative gets around this by bidding the educational (DECdirect)
price.  Our rep, 9 times out of 10, bids the commercial price which
screws everything up.  For example, we had to have three bids (taking 3
months) on a DECstation 5000/200 to 5000/240 upgrade before the right
price (which I knew before we started) was bid.  Obviously, the ****
thing was almost obsolete before we were even able to buy it.

>True.  But, if you get too ridiculous in your demands, you'll have trouble
>finding any major vendors who will deal with you in a price-competitive
>fashion.
It is not ridiculous to ask that the DEC rep who screwed something up
answer my phone calls and help straighten it out.  To the point, I am
concerned that under the new rules there might not be a mechanism to
straighten things out or worse, that the "approval to purchase an item
for a certain price"--your words, (which I say requires a bid and/or
negotiation involving purchasing) might not be attainable under the
combination of our state system and the new DEC system.

>Now, if you have problems dealing with UT Purchasing, that's
>another story ;-).
I would be the last to deny that they are part of the problem.

>All the board schools have DEC equipment, and we're under the
>same state laws.
We have plenty of DEC equipment as well and if I didn't care about how
much money I paid for the product, there would be no problems.  But,
for example, when a bid for a $3600 (educational price) item comes in
from DEC at $12,000 and it happens repeatedly, I suspect something is
wrong.  And when the DEC bidder justifies it to the UT purchasing agent
by stating that the University of Tennessee doesn't come under the
educational initiative then I know something is wrong.  The purchasing
agent's solution is "don't buy anything from DEC".  Since I have been a
DEC supporter and user for years, I would like DEC to help me find an
alternate solution.  As a customer, that really isn't a lot to ask.
The new DEC educational policy may be a step in that direction.  My
only point for bringing this up was that if the rules are too rigid, it
could, in an unintended fashion, make it harder, not easier, for the customer.
	Jack Buchanan
	UT, Memphis
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From:         "Alaric S. Haag - IMRlab System Manager & part-time visigoth"
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Subject:      Motif question

     I'm  having  trouble understanding the impact of moving to Motif.
     It  appears  that several layered products utilize Motif, such as
     VAXNotes, SNA/DECW Term. Emul., and DECdecision. My impression is
     that  they, in fact, _require_ Motif. On the other hand, products
     such  as  LSE and CMS, which offer a DECwindows interface, do not
     presently use Motif. Two questions arise:

                1.)  If  I install Motif, do I lose the DECwindows
                interface of those products that do not use Motif?

                2.)  If  I  do  not install Motif, do any products
                become unavailable because they ONLY offer a Motif
                interface?

     Any help is greatly appreciated! As an aside (unless I'm off base
     on  this  issue)  with  regard  to  the CSLG product list that is
     periodically Emailed, is there a need/desire to have it include a
     column indicating Motif dependence?

     Thanks again!

     Ric
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From: GERLAND@UBVMS.BITNET (Jim Gerland - Network Consultant)
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Subject: Away on a trip
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:26:27 GMT
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I am out of town until away from a computer until 16-Nov-1992.

If something is broken that needs fixing, please contact
Lenny Miceli, tkslen@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu, (716) 645-3565.

Your mail has been logged and I will get back to you then.

Jim Gerland  - Consultant, Network User Support         University at Buffalo
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From:         knight@ACS.HARDING.EDU
Subject:      RE: vax PUBLIC ACCESS COMMUNICATIONS software and VMS v5.5/PROBLEM

>When a user on a node running VMS 5.5 tries to use a modem that is already in
>use on a different node, the VAX PAC program fails with an access violation.
>This problem does not occur on nodes running VMS 5.4-3.

We have had a similar problem, but not with PAC.  We have a 6-node LAVC
and we have a modem set up as a dialout modem via an LTA device.  The modem
shows up on each node in the cluster as device LTA23.  When a person uses
the modem on node A (SET HOST/DTE or via KERMIT) none of the other nodes
show it as being used.  Then when someone on node B uses the modem via one
of the same methods it lets them.  The result is that both users get REAL
weird stuff happening - including ugly dumps and errors.

The only workaround we've found is to get into SYSMAN before we use it and
make sure the device shows that it is available on all cluster members.

Adrian Knight
System Manager
Harding University
From: connelly@iscsvax.uni.edu (Ken Connelly)
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Subject: RE: VAX Lisp
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:22:55 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <9210281608.AA13294@enet-gw.pa.dec.com>, Denise LeBlanc 297-4357 <leblanc@MR4DEC.ENET.DEC.COM> writes:
> Jeff,
> 
> A product called LUCID Common Lisp replaced VAX Lisp.  LUCID Common Lisp is
> not available through the CSLG though.  The product has royalties associated
> with it so we therefore can not offer it through the CSLG.  You can purchase
> the traditional license and apply the Education Market Basket Discount of
> 50% to the list price.
> 
> Hope this helps.

What would help more would be some way to allow VAX LISP to continue to be
used, understandably without support from DEC.
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From:         Mark Gilmore <MGILMORE@BEACH1.CSULB.EDU>
Subject:      RE: MAIL> screen dump to file?

Mark,
  You can use DIR/EDIT to get a message directory in your selected
editor, and then use that editor's WRITE FILE command to save the
list.
Mark Gilmore   mgilmore@csulb.edu
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From:         "(Warren R. Kiefer - MSU Network Systems)"
              <osywk%msu.dnet@TERRA.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU>
Subject:      Mailbus Conversion Manager V1.0

	Can anyone give me information about the Mailbus Conversion Manager, I
believe it is a fairly new product. Mostly what I'm interested in is the DEC
number for the product. I would like to be able to get a price for the package
and possibly more information.

	Any chance of it being included in the TEI program ??


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