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From: stecz@hotwheel.Eng.Sun.COM (John Steczkowski [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:08:15 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@hotwheel.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 15APR199214511823@rosie.uh.edu, cosc16b9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger) writes:
> 
> 	All of the Perot horror stories that I have heard have been
> those of a friend-of-a-friend type.  Does anyone have any first hand 
> reports or published matter (magazines, etc.) to back 'em up?  
> 

I use to work for EDS, and I posted some things, but apparently the article got
dumped on the floor.  I'll repost my response (what I can remember of it) if there
is interest...


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From: kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack)
Newsgroups: tx.general,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:56:33 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes: 
> Perot has shown a remarkable lack of concern for basic civil liberties.

cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
- 
- Mr daSilva has been publicly requested to provide facts to substantiate  
- his assertion as made above. To date, he has been notably silent in reply.

	Well, anything I post will be hearsay so, to avoid being accused   
   of <various contortions> I will simply suggest that you speak to folk  
   who have worked for Perot or have interviewed with his company.  Ask, 
   in particular, about prohibited social activities _off_the_job_ and   
   allowable roommates.  Also, I suggest you call up his campaign office 
   and ask for a copy of Mr. Perot's political platform.   

	
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From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:34:34 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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>>In article <kupeakINNpuf@earth.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu
(Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>>>Being able to sign petitions after
>>>either voting in the primary or signing another petition would
>>>allow one person two stabs at putting a name on the ballot.

>In article <0ZLE9Z@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>What's wrong with that?

In article <6388@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay
Maynard) writes:
>Because it goves someone more than one vote.

But a "stab at putting a name on the ballot" is not the same in my
mind as a vote.  The former says "I think this person should be
allowed in the contest"; the latter says "I think this person is the
best one in the contest".  Signing a petition for a candidate doesn't
obligate you to vote for that candidate.  I think Perot should have
the opportunity to run, even though I might not vote for him.  If I
had known that voting in the primary would restrict me from signing
petitions, I might not have done it.

I think we ought to be able to vote in more than one primary.  Is
there some principle that says a person can not belong to more than
one party?
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:56:22 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II)
Organization: On the Beach, Simpson Bay, Sint Maarten, Nederland Antilles
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In article <6369@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>While Perot owned EDS, he prohibited his employees from having extramarital
>sex and getting divorces, among other things.
>
>Do you really support employers having the ability to make such rules stick?

This has to be a trick question because the answer is "YES".  An employer
MUST be allowed to do anything which is not a violation of the law.  If
not hiring people who sleep around isn't a violation of the law, the
employer must be allowed to have that policy.

Any other system isn't capitalism.  Perot must have known what he was
doing and must have had a good reason because it sure made him an
incredibly rich man.
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Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: IMMEDIATE JOB OPENING (inportant info missing in prev post)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:02:32 GMT
Reply-To: sunil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sunil k murthy)
Distribution: tx
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Originator: sunil@doc.cc.utexas.edu

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From: ericv@owlnet.rice.edu (Eric C Virro)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:44:25 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University

In article <6388@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <0ZLE9Z@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>In article <kupeakINNpuf@earth.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>>>You are allowed to vote for only one person, and
>>>only in one party's primary.
>>Why?
>
>Ever hear of one man, one vote?

Only in the case were a particular organization decides your share 
is equal to everybody else's.  Shareholder votes are one vote per
share.

The Republican and Democratic parties are _not_ agencies of the
United States government, much as they would like to be.  There
is absolutely no reason that the United States (or state or local)
governments should be in any way involved in the administration
of internal decision making procedures of these organizations,
nor should any governmental funds be spent in any matter related
to this.

>>>Being able to sign petitions after
>>>either voting in the primary or signing another petition would
>>>allow one person two stabs at putting a name on the ballot.
>>What's wrong with that?
>
>Because it goves someone more than one vote.

Why should the government have any law enforcing the rules of 
a private organization?  The primaries are merely internal 
decision making attempts of a party to make a popular choice.  
If one man, one vote was the right thing, why is no outrage 
expressed over states which have caucuses?

I am not bound to vote for the primary candidate of my choice,
and now that he has dropped out of the race (and has sadly
declined to reenter), I could not, even if I wanted too.
I think I should be able to support (and sign the petition of)
anyone else.  All signing a petition means is that I would
like to see this candidate on the final, real, election in
November.  I would very much like to see H. Ross Perot on
the ballot on November because I think he would add a lot to
the debate and keep Bush and Clinton honest. 

But the option of supporting the candidacy of the person of my
choice has been denied.  I think that is wrong and undemocratic.

-ericv
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From: rsb@mcc.com (Richard S. Brice)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Summary: first hand backup
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:01:11 GMT
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX

In article <15APR199214511823@rosie.uh.edu>, cosc16b9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger) writes:
> 	All of the Perot horror stories that I have heard have been
> those of a friend-of-a-friend type.  Does anyone have any first hand 
> reports or published matter (magazines, etc.) to back 'em up?  
> 
> Lee Preimesberger


First Hand Evidence:  I know someone very well who has worked for EDS for
several years.  Their lifestyle is not very well described by the negative
comments about EDS and Perot which have been made in this group.

Second Hand Evidence:  There have been a series of four columns in recent
days in the Dallas Morning News which have repeated at least some of the
negative allegations made in this group about Perot.

So there are pro's and con's.  I don't claim to have an opinion yet either
way.
R. Brice
MCC
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:45:08 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <JET.92Apr16115406@karazm.math.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes:
>Either that, or go to a parlimentary system of some sort, with
>coalitions and parties.

Good, God, no. That way lies Italy.
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Newsgroups: tx.general
From: jgardner@convex.com (John B. Gardner)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:41:12 GMT
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In article <6369@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard):
>
>While Perot owned EDS, he prohibited his employees from having extramarital
>sex and getting divorces, among other things.

Really?  I'd very much like to see your source for this information.
What you've said here is very serious, I'd like to know how the company
spelled out that such activities would result in dismissal.

I would think that being fired (or denial of employment) for the reasons
listed above would be a violation of civil rights, or at least grounds for
a major lawsuit.

thanks,
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From: jct@se33.wg2.waii.com (Jim Thompson)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Keywords: old joke, red herring, levity, it's-only-April-and-I'm-already-tired-of-politics
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:41:04 GMT
	<15APR199221311112@zeus.tamu.edu>
Reply-To: thompson@se01.wg2.waii.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products
In-reply-to: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 02:31:00 GMT

In article <15APR199221311112@zeus.tamu.edu> pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes:
> 
> Howdy!
> 	Thanks, Don.  Other sheep-infested states have identical rules. If
> you think YOU can vote more than once in a primary (what the Ross Perot
> petition is, essentially), then you either:
> 
> 	a.  live in Chicago, or
>      [...]

This reminds me of a joke from my old fortune file (if you've already
heard this one too many times then, please, flame me):

   There was a plane crash over mid-ocean, and only three survivors were
   left in the life-raft: the Pope, the President, and Mayor Daley.
   Unfortunately, it was a one-man life-raft, and quickly sinking, so they
   started debating who should be allowed to stay.

   The Pope pointed out that he was the spiritual leader of millions all
   over the world, the President explained that if he died then America
   would be stuck with the Vice-President, and so forth.  Then Mayor Daley
   said, "Look!  We're not solving anything like this!  The only fair
   thing to do is to vote on it."  So they did, and Mayor Daley won by 97
   votes.

And now back to your regularly scheduled election-year sniping...

Jim
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From: jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:54:06 GMT
	<6388@lib.tmc.edu>
Distribution: tx
Organization: UH Dept of Math

"Jay" == Jay Maynard <jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> writes:

Jay> Ever hear of one man, one vote?

But this is just for the primaries.  We're not picking the president
yet.  Personally, I'd like to put a half dozen more people on the
ballot since the four we have now don't give us much to choose from.

Either that, or go to a parlimentary system of some sort, with
coalitions and parties.

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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:35:14 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <kupeakINNpuf@earth.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>You are allowed to vote for only one person, and
>only in one party's primary.

Why?

>Being able to sign petitions after
>either voting in the primary or signing another petition would
>allow one person two stabs at putting a name on the ballot.

What's wrong with that?
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From: greeves@Edm.Arco.COM (Gayle Reeves - PRC C6609)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Sunnyvale, TX
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:01:21 GMT
Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology
Originator: greeves@kahuna


In article <167CACD81.TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu>, TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu (Rick Troth) writes:
|> 
|>         Can someone tell me where Sunnyvale is?   Thanks.
|> 
|>  Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> -------- Rice Univ, I/S VM Systems Support

Sunnyvale is just east of Mesquite, TX - which is just east of Dallas.
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From: dkf8117@tamsun.tamu.edu (Duane)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Texas Civil War reenactment groups?
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:27:21 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

Are there any active Civil War reenactment groups around?  I'd very much
appreciate any information on how I could get in touch with some. Thanks.

Duane



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From: TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu (Rick Troth)
Newsgroups: tx.general,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:15:46 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX

In article <AMGEVAC@taronga.com>

>peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>> Perot has shown a remarkable lack of concern for basic civil liberties.

>cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
>- Mr daSilva has been publicly requested to provide facts to substantiate

kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack) writes:
> Well, anything I post will be hearsay   ...

        Not by me.     ;-)

>                                   ...   suggest that you speak to folk
>   who have worked for Perot or have interviewed with his company.  Ask,
>   in particular, about prohibited social activities _off_the_job_ and
>   allowable roommates.

        Makes me not want to work for him.   (not the first time I've
felt that way)   Makes me a bit more cautious of voting for him.   BUT
.. he's more than within his rights to set-up such regs for his company.
I *would* like a president (more importantly a congressman) who respects
and strengthens the rights of individuals ... including their extensions.

        (hep me hep me ... I'm starting to sound like a ... Liberterian)

 Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> -------- Rice Univ, I/S VM Systems Support
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: News from BlueBell
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:32:45 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

Now that some of the cows have had a chance to compare, I wonder if they still
think Brenham is Heaven?

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: davidc@montagar.lonestar.org (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:29:11 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1992Apr14.184112.16690@news.eng.convex.com>, jgardner@convex.com (John B. Gardner) writes:
> In article <6369@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard):
>>
>>While Perot owned EDS, he prohibited his employees from having extramarital
>>sex and getting divorces, among other things.
> 
> Really?  I'd very much like to see your source for this information.
> What you've said here is very serious, I'd like to know how the company
> spelled out that such activities would result in dismissal.

	I've known people that worked there, and the rules of conduct at
and away from work were very strict.  

> I would think that being fired (or denial of employment) for the reasons
> listed above would be a violation of civil rights, or at least grounds for
> a major lawsuit.

	Are they?  It was his company, you knew what the rules were going in,
and if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to work there.  If you can
be fired for alcholism, why not adultery?  Neither are illegal, but you
can argue that both are undesirable traits.  What about his rights?  Does he
have to employ someone who demonstrates poor moral judgement?

	At DSC Communications, you can get fired for speeding in the parking
lot, and lots of other silly reasons.  As far as I'm concerned, it was his
company and he can make any rules he wants.  If you don't like it, go work
somewhere else.

	I wouldn't work there, and I may not vote for him (not that there is
anyone that I really *want* to vote for), but he can conduct business any
legal way he wants.  Free Enterprise at work...

	Some of the things I've heard him say, I really like:  Stop sending
so much money to provide for the defense of other countries.  If they feel
it worthwhile to protect their way of life, let them protect it themselves.
Why provide financial bailouts for other countries when our own is so bad?
Do you really thing other countries will be rushing to bail us out?  No way!
Russia is not the "Global Communist Threat" it used to be, so lets start
looking in our own country and address our own problems.  But I'm still not
sure I want him in office...

> thanks,
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From: tighe@convex.COM (Mike Tighe)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Texas State Election Laws (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:48:25 GMT
Reply-To: tighe@convex.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Texas
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cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:

>Maybe some long-time Texans could take a moment and come out from  
>behind a sheep and tell me what in the hell is the justification for  
>these restrictions on who can and can't sign a petition to put  
>someone's name on an election ballot.

Sigh. Yet another example of how our educational system has failed. Had the
poster actually learned anything about the electoral process while in
school, then he would have known exactly why the system is the way it is.
He seems to know a lot about sheep though...



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From: TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu (Rick Troth)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Sunnyvale, TX
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:36:49 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX


        Can someone tell me where Sunnyvale is?   Thanks.

 Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> -------- Rice Univ, I/S VM Systems Support
From: orb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Norman Richards)
Newsgroups: tx.general,austin.general
Subject: Southwestern University
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: orb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Norman Richards)
Followup-To: tx.general
Distribution: tx
Organization: Knights of Amy (Internet Division)
Originator: orb@bashful.cc.utexas.edu


  Hi.  I am trying to find out if Southwestern has some sort of internet
connection, or even the ability to send/receive e-mail.  I have a friend 
there I would like to be able to talk to.  If you go to Southwestern or know
anything about the computer services offered there, please let me know.
  Thanks..
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