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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:51:07 GMT

In article <BvtKqI.EBI@comp.vuw.ac.nz> andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
>
>Personal opinion:  I would have taken Loe to court and charged him
>with aggravated assault.  The joke of all this is that yesterday

	Ditto...
	The real joke is that he got off so leniently and that his
	suspension starts in April.So what about his personal life.
	I'd be more inclined NOT to play in a team,that had Loe.In fact
	I'd be more inclined Not to play against Loe,because I value
	my life,no other reason.

	Anyway,I now do not believe in a rugby 'God',nor do I care to
	watch NZ play rugby.Not until the NZRU  get serious.
	My loss,I suppose .But that incident was the second worst incident
	I've ever seen in rugby.The first one was a gouging incident,in which
	a club player got suspended for life.

	I think I'll watch the league.                           

	Thanks to those who posted articles ,especially from the papers.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: chem3u@jetson.uh.edu 
Subject: results of the SA team in France
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:18:00 GMT


Hi,                                                      

I would like to have the summary of the scores of the SA/"France"  games so far
I just put "France" b/c the regional selections are not quite the same as the 
national team.  Anyway, if somebody could post the results and a quick summary 
of the game and the statistics of the player (not only the Springbooks, please!)
it will be very nice.

Our e-mail newspaper from the embassy does not include much sport even if we ask
for it.

A dozen (at least) of french guys will appreciate.

Thanks.

Benoit Soucaze-Guillous
U. of Houston, Texas, U.S.A.

e-mail: chem3u@jetson.uh.edu
From: bruce@siesoft.co.uk (Bruce Beadle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: RU teams and results
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:19:47 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Canada (v England, Wembley, Saturday)

British Columbia unless stated: S Stewart; S. Gray; M. Williams; I. Stuart;
D. Lougheed (Ontario); G. Rees; J. Graf; D. Jackart; K. Svoboda (Ontario);
E. Evans; J. Knauer; N. Hadley; I. Gordon; G. MacKinnon (Ontario) C. McKenzie
Replacements: K. Wirachowski; T. Moen; A. Wilson; J. Loveday (Alberta);
J. Hutchinson (Ontario); A. Tynan.

Australia (v Leinster, Lansdowne Rd. Saturday)

M.Roebuck; D.Campese; J.Little; T.Horan; P.Carozza; M.Lynagh; P.Slattery;
A.Daly; P.Kearns; E.McKenzie; R.McCall; J.Eales; W.Ofahengaue; D.Wilson;
T.Gavin;

Comments anyone?

Scores:

England U-21 39, Ireland U-21     28
Wales B      21, North of England 13


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From: preidy@alsvid.une.edu.au (Paul Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: G'Day Colorado
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:53:12 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

G'Day Rugby Followers,

I sent a message about a month ago regarding playing rugby in Colorado and
have not received a reply. I am not sure if you guys received the message or
not. So if you could post to rec.sport.rugby and let me know it would be
great. Also a mate of mine who plays in Sydney and is fitter and turner by
trade would love to go over and play. I've lost your email address so if you
could post a reply to the newsgroup it would be appreciated.

Awaiting your reply,

Paul Reidy.

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From: bamm@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR MARK MARITZ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Springbok Surprises
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:02:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: giraffe.bamm.8.719179331
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

Here are a few surprise selections for Saturdays game!

15 Out is Van Rensburg and in is Reece-Edwards
13 Gerber is in!
2 Hills moves in from Prop!!!!!!!! (Please don't ask me WHY.)


Food For Thought, Ay!


Cheers

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:25:22 GMT
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington

In article <61007@mimsy.umd.edu> moir@cs.umd.edu (Mark Moir) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.041410.8584@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer) writes:
>
>>Yeah,I know just another whinging one eyed Aussie .
>>Get rid of him,he's like aN anchor around an otherwise great side's neck.
>
>No, you seem to share the opinion of most people here.  What I want to know
>is whether or not there will be any action against Loe?  Everybody is calling
>for long suspensions, etc., but nobody has mentioned the official viewpoint,
>if one exists.  Does it?  Cheers.

No doubt someone else will manage to post this before me but here
goes.

The rugby board held a disciplinary session yesterday on this very
issue.  After nine hours their judgement was released.  Loe will be
suspended for 9 months starting next April.  In effect this will make
Loe unavailable for NZ rugby till 1994.  By this time he will be 34
and probably out of All Black contention.  

He was found guilty of deliberate eye gouging.  The two previous
suspensions handed out by the same sort of panel were for at most 4
weeks on Jamie Joseph and Gary Wetton for stomping.  You can see by
the massive jump in suspension time that they have taken this matter
seriously.  

The suspension starts in April because Loe has already arranged for
his house/farm, etc., to be rented while he is in France over the
summer.  The committee figured that immediate suspension would have
too much effect outside Loe's rugby.

Personal opinion:  I would have taken Loe to court and charged him
with aggravated assault.  The joke of all this is that yesterday
morning Loe was claiming that it was totally accidental, he didn't
know what he was grabbing.  Anyone who has seen the video evidense
will know this is ludicrous.  I hope that the French side taking him
on over our summer change their mind and send him home in disgrace.

andy
From: dlategan@cs1.uct.ac.za (D LATEGAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: re:Springboks in france
Keywords: punch-up
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:02:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs1.dlategan.1.719146944
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town


  The punch up in the recent Springbok match was by far the most
  intense fight I have ever witnessed in a rugby match.All 30
  players involved with reserves just about to join in.It lasted 
  about 2 straight minutes solid.The Springboks came off far better in
  this brawl than did the French.One commentater said that it was the 
  worst fight he'd ever seen on a rugby field....

  We look forward to  the first test on Saturday.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: "Bests"; Wembley; Loe.
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:28:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.003426.11431@waikato.ac.nz>, sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson) writes:
> In article <Bw53Bx.4nz@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
>> 
>> One of his gripes is that he got more than others had for "similar" offenses.
>> Rubbish ! There's never been anything remotely as bad as this.
> How about Andy Earl Thumping an opposing player and breaker his jaw?  Pretty
> hard to do that accidentally.  And yet Andy Earl got the massive sentence of 2
> weeks!

Oh for goodness sake - did you see the Earl incident???? It certainly was a
lot different to Loe's deliberate eye gouging.

Alan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: gill@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gill Dobbie)
Subject: Re: Richard Loe - About Time !
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:51:55 GMT

preidy@alsvid.une.edu.au (Paul Reidy) writes:

>I was pleased to see on last nights news the suspension of Richard Loe for 9
>months. It seemed when the All Blacks were in Australia that they did not have
>a system to reprimand players, following Sam Scott-Young's and Paul Carozza's
>injuries.  However justice prevailed, only perhaps, because this time his
>indiscretion was against a fellow Kiwi. Whether this is the case doesn't
>matter as finally there is warning to players who play this style of rugby,
>that it will not be condoned.

Maybe it doesn't matter now in this case but surely it does in the future
for other cases?

gill
From: preidy@alsvid.une.edu.au (Paul Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Richard Loe - About Time !
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

G'Day Rugby Followers,

I was pleased to see on last nights news the suspension of Richard Loe for 9
months. It seemed when the All Blacks were in Australia that they did not have
a system to reprimand players, following Sam Scott-Young's and Paul Carozza's
injuries.  However justice prevailed, only perhaps, because this time his
indiscretion was against a fellow Kiwi. Whether this is the case doesn't
matter as finally there is warning to players who play this style of rugby,
that it will not be condoned.

Yours in Rugby,

Paul Reidy.

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    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
From: cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk (Colin Brough)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Scottish 1st division results
Keywords: Results, Scotland
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:49:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.rugby
Organization: Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

Results from McEwan's National League, Division 1:

Boroughmuir	34	Glasgow-High/Kelvinside	18
Edinburgh Acads	16	Watsonians		12
Stirling County	3	Melrose			9
Hawick		31	Currie			11
Kelso		13	Jed-forest		18
Dundee HSFP	12	Selkirk			18
Gala		35	Heriots FP		28

League Standings:

		Played	Won	Drawn	Lost	For	Against	Points
Gala		3	3	0	0	59	42	6
Jed-forest	3	3	0	0	42	33	6
Hawick		3	2	0	1	82	34	4
Kelso		3	2	0	1	65	40	4
Boroughmuir	3	2	0	1	55	32	4
Melrose		3	2	0	1	37	26	4
Edin.Acads	3	2	0	1	34	40	4
Glasgow HK	3	1	0	2	73	58	2
Stirling County	2	1	0	2	21	18	2
Dundee HSFP	3	1	0	2	39	68	2
Selkirk		3	1	0	2	34	79	2
Watsonians	3	0	0	3	30	43	0
Currie		2	0	0	3	25	49	0
Heriots FP	3	0	0	3	40	74	0

__________________________________________________________________________
Colin Brough    cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk      Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 10:13:54 CET
From: <TVERRALL@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Latest Bok Scores
 <pavenant.6.718871300@dos-lan.cs.up.ac.za>

Could someone post the teams that have been used thus far and which of the
Boks have looked good/bad. Does someone know what the availability of
tickets for the games is. Particularly the French Barbarians game in Lille.
Are the test going to be televised on any European satelite channels ?
Thanks
Tim.
From: pavenant@dos-lan.cs.up.ac.za (Paul Avenant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: See Aust Rugby on TV in Boston
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:12:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: dos-lan.pavenant.3.718474379
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Pretoria

In article <1992Oct5.175401.19619@athena.mit.edu> gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle) writes:
>From: gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle)
>Subject: See Aust Rugby on TV in Boston
>Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:54:01 GMT
>I have just got a copy of the Australia v South Africa game on video.
>I've arranged with the Plough & Stars pub to show it sometime in the near future,
> probably on a weekend.  Furthermore, the Plough is probably going to show the 
>Australia v Ireland game live on Oct 31 and will certainly do so if there's enough interest.
>  The Plough is located on Mass Ave in Cambridge
>about half way between Central and Harvard Squares.
>
>If anyone is interested in seeing either game could they please email me.
>
>Guy Debelle
>Cambridge MA

From an Australian point of  view the SA game is worth watching, even though 
it was played in reasonably bad conditions the Aussies gave a magnificent 
display of controlled power-rugby. The game highlighted the problems that SA 
rugby faces after the years of isolation. (After the NZ game the previous 
week a false sense of optimism remained). 

Local joke after Aussi-SA game. How did the Springboks get back to the hotel 
after the match. They were pushed back by the Aussi forwards.

In any case, tonight the Springboks play their 4th game back in Int. rugby 
and the 2nd in France. We hope to see an improvement as the tour progresses.
(especially in defence, lineouts, scrums and attack). At the moment we have 
running on to the field down pat.

I am positive though that we will soon get back into the swing of things.

(If not - at least the cricket season is just around the corner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:14:10 GMT

From Australian ABC radio with Andrew Ollie,this morning.
Andrew was talking to Murray Deeker(?) of SportsStation Newstalk 1ZB
about the Loe incident.
Murray opened his lines and in 30 mins had 26 callers ALL baying for
the exclusion of Loe from rugby,ranging from 1 year to life.

Murray went on to explain that the video evidence was conclusive,and that
regardless of the outcome ,claims if Loe gets less than 1 year suspension
then there will be a backlash from rugby to league.
I might add that in Loe's defence,Murray claimed that he'd never seen him
play better,and that his try was a very determined individual effort.
However,Murray says Loe should be out for a long time.Despite the law
fraternity(?) for both Loe and The NZRU,it appear that Loe will get the chop.
Murray claimed that it was a groundswell of anger ,similar to when Buck got
the bullet.It is of the belief ,in the inter sanctum, that Loe cannot 
control himself in "tight encounters".

When I (we) Australians asked for discipline on Loe when he punched out
SS Young,and elbowed the totally unprotected Carozza.All we got were screams
of being one eyed.Perhaps the NZRU should ask Cooper if he feels 'one eyed'
about Loe.? Murray also heighlighted these incidents as being totally
avoidable,perhaps even giving the doubt(in the publics eye) that Loe was
trying to prevent Carozza grounding the ball.Murray was not so convinced.

So today sometime I hope to see a record of Loe's Lowlights,and would appreciate
anyone from NZ posting the results.
So far his record starts with

Sam Scott Young .......   15 stitches
Paul Carozza    .......   Smashed Nose,dislocated cheekbone.
Cooper          .......   Eye Gouged (his own All Black team-mate (?) )
Loe             .......   BANNED FOR LIFE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are other incidents with this mental midget,these are NOT forgetable.

Yeah,I know just another whinging one eyed Aussie .
Get rid of him,he's like aN anchor around an otherwise great side's neck.

Let there be a rugby God,give Loe life,before he takes someone elses.


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* Allan Creighton           "There are important matters to be resolved here *
* Dept of Computer Science   and the fear of being hanged on a democratic    *
* University of Sydney       gallows will delay me until next spring"        *
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From: rgty_mrw@waikato.ac.nz (Mark Willcock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:20:13 +1300
Organization: Admin Systems - Registry

>In article <1992Oct9.015107.25377@cs.su.oz.au>, allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:
>> In article <BvtKqI.EBI@comp.vuw.ac.nz> andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
>>
>>Personal opinion:  I would have taken Loe to court and charged him
>>with aggravated assault.  The joke of all this is that yesterday
> 
> 	Ditto...
> 	The real joke is that he got off so leniently and that his
> 	suspension starts in April.So what about his personal life.

Actually I think the fact the penalty starts in April is good.  Nine months is a
fair punishment and starting it in April makes it apply to the next NZ season - 
the punishment is seen to be served  and virtually ends his career.

IMHO, of course.
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From: inr@eccles.caltech.edu (I. Neill Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: re: Flower of Scotland
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:35:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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 No - `your wee bit hill and glen' is not English. That's part
of the point, you see...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: ecastilh@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu
Subject: Mardi Gras Rugby tour
Keywords: Tour
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:26:39 GMT

U of Waterloo is planning a tour to the southern U.S. (Texas, Louisiana
Tenessee, Alabama). We would like to know approximate tournament
entry fee and motel rates during the Mardi Gras weekend. Also, any 
teams interested in playing us and billeting us should please
let us know. If there is any information package that someone could send us 
it would be greatly appreciated.



Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn)
Subject: Re: Richard Loe - About Time !
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:42:13 GMT

In article: <1992Oct13.164532.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> <cctr123@csc.canterbury
.ac.nz> Alan Murray writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.152718.11390@waikato.ac.nz>, mmcleod@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> And who is going to be his replacement for the All Blacks? 
>> The name Graham Purvis comes to mind :-), although I must admit Mark Allen has
>> looked impressive...

>Nope - too old. Mark Allen must have the inside running though I wouldn't be
>too surprised to see Greg Halford at least get a trial next year.

>Alan

Graham Purvis is a tight head prop so it couldn't be him. I too would say Bull
Allen would have to have a good chance. His workrate is phenomenal and from
what I have seen of him is essentially a CLEAN player. As well he is a bit of
a cult hero (in Taranaki at least), whose inclusion in the All Blacks could do 
nothing but good for the game.

Don't forget Steve McDowell as well. 1992 was not a good season for big
Steve, but 1993 could see him return to form.

As for Halford, no chance! He plays for Canterbury! :-)

Outside chance, King Country super-heavy Joe Veitayaki.

Rob

PS Now that the French RU won't allow Loe to play in France, and Loe has
appealed his sentence replacements, all this talk  may be pie in the sky. 
Let us hope not! The game will be done a great disservice if the original
penalty is reduced in any way.
From: sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: "Bests"; Wembley; Loe.
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:34:26 GMT
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <Bw53Bx.4nz@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
> 
> One of his gripes is that he got more than others had for "similar" offenses.
> Rubbish ! There's never been anything remotely as bad as this.
How about Andy Earl Thumping an opposing player and breaker his jaw?  Pretty
hard to do that accidentally.  And yet Andy Earl got the massive sentence of 2
weeks!


Stephen..
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle)
Subject: Ireland V Aust
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:26:23 GMT

Can someone in Ireland or the UK, please confirm for me that the test
starts at 3pm local time on Oct 31.  There's a few of us over here in the US
who are going to try to watch the game.

Many thanks
Guy Debelle
From: bruce@siesoft.co.uk (Bruce Beadle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: England side + woffle.
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:01:32 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

England side for the Canada game at Wembley next Saturday:

Jonathan Webb		Bath
Ian Hunter		Northampton
Will Carling		Harlequins
Jeremy Guscott		Bath
Tony Underwood		Leicester
Rob Andrew		Toulouse
Dewi Morris		Orrell
Jason Leonard		Harlequins
John Olver		Northampton
Victor Ubogu		Bath
Wade Dooley		Preston Grasshoppers
Martin Bayfield		Northampton
Dean Ryan		Wasps
Dean Richards		Leicester
Peter Winterbottom	Harlequins

Replacements:
Phil deGlanville	Bath
Stuart Barnes		Bath
Steve Bates		Wasps
Kevin Dunn		Wasps
Jeff Probyn		Wasps
Tony Rodber		Northampton

There are 5 changes from the Grand Slam side, including three new caps...
Brian Moore is still injured. Rob Andrew can play for the International side
but not for his club side Wasps. He must serve the 120 day qualifying period,
although I understand that Wasps may appeal. 
There are rumours that Morris may be tempted to switch to League. Notice that
Richard Hill does not even make the bench, Bates of Wasps is preferred.
All this and Rory Underwood doing a Campese and coming out of retirement...

Looking at the fifteen above I am struck by how many different club sides
are represented. Does anybody know which side has been assembled from the
*most* club sides? 

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