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From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark gilstrap)
Subject: Re: Some questions
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:29:24 GMT

>creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:

>   For those of you familiar with me in this list/group, Wayne is
>speaking of the very parish of which I am a member.  Bob and others,
>now maybe you know better where I'm coming from 8-).

	For those of you familiar with me in this list and others,
Wayne and Steve are speaking about what goes on right here where I
live and pray. From the postings I have read from Steve and also
past ones from Wayne here locally, I see that we have a great deal in 
common, but also much that is characteristically different. 

	In a community that is home to: a Tibetan Buddhist chorten
full of ten thousands of "cookie-cutter" Buddha idols, "pre-Christian
Celtic" practioners (who drink blood in the woods), a Unity center,
a very secretive gnostic group (including world-renown authors), 
splinter groups from the Order of Mans led by a priestess/midwife,
very active pagans and witches, concentration of homosexual depravity, 
a new abortion mill at Planned Parenthood, the first american woman 
rabbi, an Episcopalian priestess, ... in other words, in a college
town like this, it may not be surprizing to see "modernist innovation" 
take precedence over "tradition".  Maybe this too tells you where we are
coming from.
	    
>> eje@IRENAEUS.MLO.DEC.COM (Eric James Ewanco) writes:
>>You are a victim of serious modernist heresies.  

	I couldn't have said this any better. 

>>I'd complain to the
>>bishop and find another church.  But pray for this one.

	If you are serious about avoiding these and other serious
modernist heresies, perhaps you should try my Church. We always
say the Creed (but we leave out the filioque innovation - I suppose
1000+ years is too long to use the modifier "modernist"). If these
blatant modernist trends today are so serious, why is it also not
serious that an addition was made to the words/meaning of the
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed long ago?
(it was of course one cause of the Great Schism, so therefore quite
serious!)

	In a different age it was not possible to accept even one
iota of difference in the understanding of Christian dogma (i.e. homoousios
versus homioousios). In an age where I can calmly (seemingly) describe my 
town as being home to the above abominations, it seems like one iota,
or one filioque, are unimportant. But they still are important. In a town
where, as Dostoievsky would say, "all things are permissible" (because
of godlessness) can one dare allow this dissolution into one's own life
because relative to the one the other *seems* qualitatively different?

What then makes a Christian different? What then makes one orthodox?

Rev deacon mark - Russian Orthodox Church 
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From: jbuffer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James J Buffer)
Subject: Re: St. Francis
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:34:13 GMT

In article <01GPJPJPQH7Y9ZMMA7@SNYBUFVA.BITNET> "Nancy M. Piatkowski" <PIATKONM
@SNYBUFVA.BITNET> writes:
>We should remember and celebrate the feast of St. Francis today- as a reminder
>to respect life, the earth and the universe- God creates it- we need to take
>care of it for ourselves and our children-  be panentheistic- see God in
>everyone and everything- today and all days
>Nancy

In regard to panentheism--this is another form of pantheism, strictly speaking.
According to panentheism, the world is merely a mode of appearance of God. This
is different from what you seem to be saying--that we should see all creation 
as a reflection of God who made everything out of nothing. When we see the 
effects of God's activity, we do not see Him directly. Pantheism destroys our 
human dignity; if we were not independent substances we could not have a 
personal awareness of ourselves.

Cf. Philosophical Dictionary, Brugger, Walter, ed. Baker, Kenneth, trans. 
Spokane: Gonzaga University Press, 1972.
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From: tjrad@iastate.edu (Thomas J Radosevich)
Subject: Re: Altar girls and millstones
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:08:01 GMT

apologies, I deleted my copy of this discussion

In <92287.024532MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> write>   ...I quoted from the Gospels, was a warning that
>pastors and parents who corrupt girls by letting them function as
>altar girls, thereby teaching them that they are free to reject any
>Church law they dislike, are putting themselves in danger of Hell,
>and responded as if I had said the girls themselves were in immediate
>danger of Hell.

The problem I see with your argument is that the scripture qouted does'nt
directly relate to the situation involved.  You are assuming that allowing
girls to be altergirls corrupts them.  I believe your argument centered 
on the idea that essentially disobedience=corruption.  God has given us 
no direct laws on altergirls and thus any law concerning this point comes 
from an interpritation of scripture--by humans.  The Church is not God.
The Church is God's representative on earth and is made up of humans who
try their best to understand God's laws.  Disobediance to the Church should 
not be undertaken in a flippent manner, but does not necessarily mean 
corruption.   

I realise the above is an opinion without documentation and was arrived at 
through reflection of the following and similar questions.

Is disobediance of Church law direct disobediance of God?
When Church law changes (Vat. II) does God change his point of view?
Do we serve God through the Church or do we simply serve the Church?
Who is the final judge of our actions--The Church or God?
Does Church approval remove responsibility for our actions?  (Selling of
absolution and Inquisition reference)

(Numerous deletions not relevant to my response)

>You quote my words, "You ask if altar girls are against the  rules.
>Yes, they are.  Someone else on the list recently said that he could
>provide documentation proving this fact." Then you reply, "Then I
>say, 'Put up, or shut up!'" Since I specifically said "Someone else"...

I believe that I asked this question and this was your response to me--just
for accuracy.

>Marty Helgesen

Tom Radosevich
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From:         CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prayer Meetings
              16 Oct 1992 17:22:04 LCL from
              <SUTTON_R_1@PRIME1.LANCASHIRE-POLY.AC.UK>

Becka,
RCIA is the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults. In our parish it
is a seven to eight month (depending on when Easter is) class that
meets every Tuesday evening. From Sept. to Jan. it is an "Inquirers"
class. At that point people decide if they want to make a commitment
towards joining the Church. If so, they participate in the Rite of
Welcome. They are presented to the Church during mass and tell
why they are there, what they expect from the Church and what they
ask from God. From this point on until Easter they also meet
each Sunday at mass and are dismissed with a blessing before
the Eucharist. They adjourn to another area and have a Bible study
over the Sunday readings.
  On Easter Saturday they become members of the Church and participate
in the Eucharist. Unless they are waiting on an annulment, and then
they simply continue going to mass and pray that the annulment comes
soon. ( like me)

In Christ,
Elizabeth
From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
Subject: Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:04:13 GMT

In article <01GPKFEUEEKI9TER0G@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> Future World Leader!! <SWENSONE@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU> writes:
>Wrong!
>
>This is all wrong.
>
>I am depressed.
Ok, I'll bite, what's wrong with it.  Fill us in.  So far I have not been
able to find anyone who has actually made it all the way through Synergistics
with a good clear idea of what Fuller was trying to get across.

If you can enlighten us, I am sure many would be here to cheer you on ---
or debate you (as the case may be).

Van!!


-- 
Claude Van Horn :  Magician, man about town, philosopher, Perot Supporter
                   Voice Mail Expert, and general good guy.
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From:         "Terry Cooper, Computing Services,
              x2014" <SCSD1005@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: dome software

>From: millere@FRITH.MSU.EDU
>
>Does anyone know of any software available that can aid
>in designing geodesic dome? I am wondering if any binaries
>are available at FTP sites, but don't know where to look.

I would think that one of the simtel mirrors would have it. Have
you tried FTPing to OAK.OAKLAND.EDU?  There is a directory for
msdos stuff in the "pub" directory. (Don't remember the exact
path, but it's not hard to find.)  Also, there are directories
for Windows and Geoworks software as well as unix and a whole
bunch of other stuff.

    ...terry
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Subject:      Re: A _Real_ 'anti-gravity' Bucky Invention

I'm not sure it's been discussed, but...

Bucky Fuller suggested a gosamer structure to enclose the total evnironment
of Earth.  This might be tantamount to the "anti-gravity" thinking of Fuller.
It is *actually* a balanced gravity concept.  The Earth and the geodesic
structure would necessarily share approximately the same centroid.  Howard
From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly)
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Subject: Re: A _Real_ 'anti-gravity' Bucky Invention
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:23 GMT
Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc.
Where: Buffalo, NY - USA ...Earth (*GRIN*)
School: SUNY Buffalo
Project: Ushering in the next stage of human evolution, and fixing the world.

Quite the good post! I've been away for far too long, but that's a nice
thing to see on my first post read. :)

Yes, the floating city concept is an interesting one. Old-timers will
remember when we discussed it here about 3 years ago. 

Lots more to pour through. You'll probably hear from me soon.

Pat


-- 
   Patrick G. Salsbury			  State University of NY @ Buffalo, USA
SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU			Disclaimers are silly. ;^)

			    Think for yourself.
From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly)
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Subject: Re: Fuller's History of Industrialization
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:20:24 GMT
Organization: Evolutionary Acceleration, Inc.
Where: Buffalo, NY - USA ...Earth (*GRIN*)
School: SUNY Buffalo
Project: Ushering in the next stage of human evolution, and fixing the world.

BDAMICO@GWUVM.BITNET writes:

-Fuller said nothing about redistribution. His Design Science revolution is bas
-ed in raising the living standard of the 'have-nots' and 'have-lesses' without
-taking away from the haves. This is done through ephemeralization "more with l
-ess".

-My, this discussion has gotten animated.

---Trimtab-- (still listening)

	He did, however, discuss DISTRIBUTION, and how the intelligent
application of that could solve problems like global food shortages, etc.
	In fact, I beleive he shut down production of the DDM (Dymaxion
Dwelling Machine) because of an inability to distribute the final product
to the consumer.

Pat
-- 
   Patrick G. Salsbury			  State University of NY @ Buffalo, USA
SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU			Disclaimers are silly. ;^)

			    Think for yourself.
From: caplin@FRUIT.NAGINC ((Barry Caplin))
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Subject: personal to list owner
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:09:18 GMT
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Hi,
   Could the list owner please contact me.
   Thanks,
   Barry

Barry Caplin                  Internet: bc@nag.com
Numerical Algorithms Group          or: naginc!bc@sunbird.central.sun.com
                                    or: caplin@mcs.anl.gov
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>--
>Claude Van Horn :  Magician, man about town, philosopher, Perot Supporter
>                   Voice Mail Expert, and general good guy.


At least two of those characterizations are mutually exclusive.

    <g>   ...terry
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From:         apang@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: A _Real_ 'anti-gravity' Bucky Invention

Where was this geodesic structure enclosing the total environment of the Earth
talked about?  I haven't run across it, and would like ot find out mor-- sorry
 would like to find out more about it.

Cheers,
Alex
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From:         "(Barry Caplin)" <naginc!fruit!caplin@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Barry Caplin

Hi Patrick,
   Thanks for writing.  I've been trying to unsub from the list and
have not been able to.  I've tried using different accounts and
different routings to send the request but I always get the message
that the listserv doesn't see me on the list and maybe I should
use a different account, etc.  Well, I figured instead of posting
the old "please unsub me" message that bothers people so, I'd
try to get ahold of you.  I need to drop off the list because my
mailer is out of control!  I'm on too many lists and am dropping
off many of them.
   Thanks for your help,
   Barry

Barry Caplin                  Internet: bc@nag.com
Numerical Algorithms Group          or: naginc!bc@sunbird.central.sun.com
                                    or: caplin@mcs.anl.gov

[  I was most likely on the list as naginc!caplin@sunbird.central.sun.com]
From: waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (WA Office of Higher Education)
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Date: 9 Oct 1992 09:42:24 +0800
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Chris Fearnley (FEARNLCJ@DUVM.BITNET) wrote:
: Good to see you are still here!  I'm monitoring too.  It's strange how some of
: the more knowledgeable Fuller-inspired people are not actively participating.
: I think part of it comes from the message Fuller left us that working a making
: the world work is more important than preaching to the world about how to make
: it better.
: 
:       Chris Fearnley    fearnlcj@duvm.bitnet
:                         cfearnl@cpp   (I need to find the complete adress for t
: his account, sorry)

Chris,

If it's not a question that has been done to death, where would
you encourage your best friend to start in the Fuller literature?  (For 
maximum ease of mastery)

Thanks,

Jeff
Perth, Western Australia
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From:         "NAME 'Robert E. McElwaine'" <MCELWRE@UWEC.BITNET>
Subject:      BIOLOGICAL ALCHEMY

                            BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS

               A very simple experiment can demonstrate (PROVE) the
          FACT of "BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS" (reactions like Mg + O
          --> Ca, Si + C --> Ca, K + H --> Ca, N2 --> CO, etc.), as
          described in the BOOK "Biological Transmutations" by Louis
          Kervran, [1972 Edition is BEST.], and in Chapter 17 of the
          book "THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS" [see Footnote] by Peter
          Tompkins and Christopher Bird, 1973:

               (1) Obtain a good sample of plant seeds, all of the same
                   kind.  [Some kinds might work better that others.]

               (2) Divide the sample into two groups of equal weight
                   and number.

               (3) Sprout one group in distilled water on filter paper
                   for three or four weeks.

               (4) Separately incinerate both groups.

               (5) Weigh the residue from each group.  [The residue of
                   the sprouted group will usually weigh at least
                   SEVERAL PERCENT MORE than the other group.]

               (6) Analyze quantitatively the residue of each group for
                   mineral content.  [Some of the mineral atoms of the
                   sprouted group have been TRANSMUTED into heavier
                   mineral elements by FUSING with atoms of oxygen,
                   hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, etc..]


               BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS occur ROUTINELY, even in our
          own bodies.

               Ingesting a source of organic silicon (silicon with
          carbon, such as "horsetail" extract, or radishes) can SPEED
          HEALING OF BROKEN BONES via the reaction Si + C --> Ca, (much
          faster than by merely ingesting the calcium directly).

               Some MINERAL DEPOSITS in the ground are formed by micro-
          organisms FUSING together atoms of silicon, carbon, nitrogen,
          oxygen, hydrogen, etc..

               The two reactions Si + C <--> Ca, by micro-organisms,
          cause "STONE SICKNESS" in statues, building bricks, etc..

               The reaction N2 --> CO, catalysed by very hot iron,
          creates a CARBON-MONOXIDE POISON HAZARD for welder operators
          and people near woodstoves (even properly sealed ones).

               Some bacteria can even NEUTRALIZE RADIOACTIVITY!


               ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE HAPPEN, IN SPITE OF the
          currently accepted "laws" of physics.



          Footnote: Chapters 19 and 20 are about "RADIONICS".
                    ENTIRE BOOK is FASCINATING!



               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


                                   Robert E. McElwaine
                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
From: millere@frith.msu.edu
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Date: 7 Oct 92 16:30:33 GMT
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Does anyone know of any software available that can aid
in designing geodesic dome? I am wondering if any binaries
are available at FTP sites, but don't know where to look.
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Subject:      ATTN: Barry Caplin

In bit.listserv.geodesic you write:

-Hi,
-   Could the list owner please contact me.
-   Thanks,
-   Barry
        Hi. That's me! What can I do for ya? I tried to reply via mail, but
it bounced for some reason. Please mail to me personally....

Pat

   Patrick G. Salsbury                    State University of NY @ Buffalo, USA
SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU                       Disclaimers are silly. ;^)

                            Think for yourself.
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     Dan,

        I have just finished reading Gary Warner's essay regarding
      University responsibilities for protecting students(and others)
      from viewing offensive transmitted material.

        The essay was well written and somewhat interesting. Unfortunately,
      the basic premise was in error -- (i.e. it was full of shit!)

       Joe P.(wondering what the hell Samford Unversity *is*, anyway)
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From:         "(Peter Clinton)" <CLINTON@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      RE: DEC VTX V5.1
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Two lists are:

NCVTX-L          NCVTX-L@NCSUVM    North Carolina DEC VTX Discussion List
VTX-L            VTX-L@NCSUVM      DEC VideoText Discussion List

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Subject:      DEC VTX V5.1
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I'm new to this list so if this discussion has already occurred please tell me
where I might find more information....

My Supervisor has been assigned the task of establishing a CWIS on our campus.
She has received information on DEC's VTX. Could you please comment on this
product if you know anything about it (i.e. advantages, disadvantages, etc.).

Thank You in advance.

Kathy Fernandes
KFERNANDES@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Computer Consultant
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From:         David Lapointe <LAPOINTE@UTHSCSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Query: Experiences with Medical/Health Care Information Systems

As part of our info-system planning process, we want to find out what
other medical/health care institutions are doing about distributing
information electronically, the NIH-GUIDE being an obvious example. We
are piloting a VMS based CWIS at San Antonio and we would like to hear
of your experiences if you would share them with us.

Thanks

.david

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