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From: lester@soldev.tti.com (jim)
Subject: Re: what the monkey says
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:00:08 GMT

In article <laq9e1INN43v@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
>FWWM spoiler below
>
>In FWWM, the last time we see the brief image of the small monkey (just
>about the time of the shot of the corn being slurped off the spoon), the
>monkey says something.  Its mouth moves, and if you listen closely you 
>hear a deep male voice speak a single word .......  JUDY.

Hmmmm.  Cary Grant was famous for such a line.
Now if we rearrange the letters in "Cary Grant" we come up with:

				Trayn Car G

Of course, Sherman, the Big G stands for Goodness.

Tremond=Tree mound

Jim
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
			 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
			  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain
From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: 2nd season video release date! (Was Re: script and videos)
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:32:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <lafir5INNmo4@news.bbn.com> koralesb@carleton.edu writes:
|Hi there,
|  Two, does anyone know where  
|to get copies of the TV series on video?  Is there an address that I could  
|order them from?  I have most of the first season on tape and I would like to
|finish that and get the second too.  That reminds me, is the second season on
|tape?  Well that was more than two questions, sorry.
|	
|	
|barron koralesky
|
|koralesb@carleton.edu


I called Lynch/Frost productions this past week (actually, they answered with
some other company name, but the guy knew what he was talking about) and
asked when the second season would be released on tape.  Apparently, the 
second season should be out by the end of this month.  I left a message 
at some lady's voice mail at Worldvision (in regard to laserdisk availability)
but have not recieved any response yet.

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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Why wasn't Lara Flynn Boyle in FWWM?
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:59:42 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep9.141210.23520@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.044819.25167@iitmax.iit.edu> hardcle@elof.iit.edu
>(Cleveland Hardin) writes:
>>Why didn't Lara Flynn Boyle play Donna in the movie? Did she have other
>>commitments, or did she not want to do the nudity? I'm sorry if this is
>>common knowledge but this has been bothering me since I saw the movie.

I heard she was, like James Marshall and Kyle MacLachlan before her, no
longer thrilled with the role in general.  Her appearances in movies like
"Mobsters" seem to imply that she has no problem with skimpy costumes /
semi-nudity.

>I would think that the combination of other offers and the nudity had a lot to
>do with it.  I was rather shocked to see Moira Kelly nude in that scene
>considering how young she is, I guess it was meant to be shocking but it
>bothered me throughout the rest of the movie.

She's not that young; I think she's 23.  The costumers and director just did
a very good job of making her look sweet, innocent, and as young as Lara
was when she shot the pilot.  Check out the otherwise tepid flick "The Cutting
Edge" to see Moira looking a little more like her own age.
From: zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:05:17 CDT
Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX

UnoJ writes:

> Conclusions: Mike is not _evil_ since nothing seems to
> be so clear cut in the TP world. But his is nonetheless
> a character that has a variey of shady purposes of his own.

Another possibility: MIKE could simply be >incompetent< at what he does.
Considering that he did very little that was ultimately useful, perhaps
he just messed up at his task a lot. After all, we have no reason to 
believe that the Others are necessarily skilled at their tasks; in fact,
most of them seem to have >serious< communications problems.

(Just think how much better off the world would be if we could get the
Black Lodge Hooked-On-Phonics B-].)

--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt 	       ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe  	       (512)450-1916
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:18:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Fire Walk With me is great... no question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

> Saw FWWM Friday night (it was in a neighboring city). Here are my thoughts:
> 
> The film was beautiful. I loved it. 
> 
>Let's face it, the critics are panning it because they are fools with no souls.

Yes, this is clearly the case.
>They all have feet of clay, how could they possibly understand a brilliant 
>piece of work like that? They want movies like _Ghost_ or _Home Alone_, stupid 
>movies (apologies to anyone who liked these flicks) with a plot your average 
>five year old would sneer at. I don't care that the critics panned it, because 
>all they want is mediocre anyway. If Twin Peaks hadn't been the trendy thing 
>to watch back in the beginning,they'd have panned it then; the only reason 
>they didn't was because everyone else said it was great.

BULLSHIT!  What about those of us who loved and cherished the show, but
dislike the movie.  Your rhetoric is convenient to your philosophy,
but is essentially overblown nonsense.

> 
> JOKES?
> 
>The critics sneered at __EraserHead__, until Lynch became trendy. Then they 
>decided he was a visionary, and their opinion of that film changed, or at least
>they kept their philistine opimions to themselves. Now they are just moving with
>the rest of the flock. It's that simple.

It is that simple if you feel forced to stick complicated ideas into
simple little boxes.

> putrid little brains into third grade oatmeal. Quite frankly, all the critics 
> can go straight to hell. I thought the film was magic. It was wonderful.

You seem to take criticism awfully personally.

> 
doug
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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: More on FWWM
Summary: Leland's "Wound"
Keywords: Yes!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:22:27 GMT

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>Everyone keeps referring to Leland's wound in FWWM, but is this really a
>wound?  I don't recall him being injured at all in the train car.  I thought
>that the blood that BOB removed from Leland (and turned into garmonbozia)
>was Laura's blood.
>
 Actually, yes, it *is* a wound but you are right, it wasn't shown in the
 movie (but that is not surprising as a lot of the death scene was cut.) In
 the series, Hawk finds a bloody rag down from the train cars and the blood
 does not match Laura's or Ronnette's but they said it was the blood of the
 murderer. It was a rare blood type, ab negative I think.
  
   This *really* peeves me.. I can't wait to see the uncut version on video to
   get the full story.. I mean they actually showed MORE of Laura's death
   scene on TV (Ronnette's flashback) then they did in the movie! Sickening.
    
    -=*George*=-
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:21:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <rhaller-130992102212@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>Another explanation is that the ring was good and it was the 'bad' Cooper
>in her dream telling her not to take it.  It might be argued that it has to
>be the good Coop because that is the one in the lodge, but don't forget
>that Leland/BOB enter the lodge at the end of FWWM, so Coop/BOB could also.
> That said, I'm not as happy with this theory as I would like to be.

Another idea.  Taking the ring seems to mean that you are marked for the
end of your life.  Maybe immediately, like for Chet Desmond, or maybe not,
like Teresa, but the end is inevitable.  You're giving your soul over to
the spirits of the Lodges (maybe MIKE himself), and your mortal term is at
an end.

The movie is about Laura Palmer facing up to her life, coming to terms with
it, and finally bringing it to a conclusion with her soul at peace.  However,
at this point she hasn't reached that state of inner peace, and so she is
not ready yet to face BOB and die with her mind intact.  Coop knows she's
not ready to die.  She doesn't want to die.  By telling her not to take
the ring, Cooper is telling her to LIVE, to face the love for James that
she's running away from, and not to give up hope.

It is only at the finale, when her role in this world has come to an end,
that it is time to take the ring.

Kind of existential, but it seems to hang together.
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: More on the Blue Rose and "sub rosa"
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:49:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Okay, the following is taken from Eugene Ehrlich's "Amo, Amas, amat,
and More:"

"sub rosa": in strict confidence or secretly....


"The phrase is of interest primarily because it has the literal meaning
"under the rose." The rose is a symbol of secrecy, perhaps deriving from
a story involving Cupid, the Roman god of love, who is said to have given
a rose to Harpocrates, the god of silence, as a bribe for not revealing
the amorous activities of Venus, the goddess of sensual love, well known
for practicing what she preached. Roman dining room ceilings were
decorated with roses to remind guest not make public things that might
be said "sub vino." [stuff about presidents and the White House Rose
Garden delete] "The power of the rose?"


Well, not much help but I thought I would add this to Rich Haller's
post.

Sally--
-- 
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
  And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.    \\\\\	sally@mica.berkeley.edu
("The Conqueror Worm"			\\\\\
from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Anyone have the script to FWWM?
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:32:37 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

>If anyone wants the script, I have the address around someplace...think it was 
>$20... just ask

I would love to get a copy of the Script!  Please post or e-mail the address to 

Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
or for Bitnet
Floyd@ufcc

Thanks in advance.

Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Major Briggs and angels
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 23:50:42 GMT

What does Major Briggs tatoo look like to you now that we know about angels
:-)   If you are using a Mac, try courier.

  Major Briggs:        Margaret:
     /\    /\            /\             /\
    /  \  /  \          /  \           /  \
   /____\/____\        /    \/\     /\/    \
        /\            /        \   /        \
       /  \          /__________\ /__________\
      /____\

-Rich Haller
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Two questions (the first of many, my friends)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:28:36 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     First of all lemme clear this up:  I lived in Germany (AFN network) and
only got to see the first season on tape (I have them all on tape) and when I
got here, they were already showing the last 6 episodes. (have those on tape
too).. I just saw FWWM.  here are some questions:

When did Ronnette have the train flashbacks?

How closely did the film relate what had been revealed in the show?  (for
instance, I didn't see any reference except for the bird itself about Laura's
"Bite the bullet, baby," biting of the One Eyed Jack's poker chip)

Who the hell were those people in the black lodge?  (the old woman and the boy
with the mask)

NR

--
ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK -- +1 405 325 9607
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From: u8653100@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Dennis Lu)
Subject: Lynch interview (on Australian TV)
Reply-To: u8653100@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:49:12 GMT

To all the Twin Peaks fan in Sydney, Australia.  SBS will be showing
an interview of David Lynch this week.  Check your local TV guide for
the time.


Dennis Lu
School of architecture,
University of New South Wales,
Sydney, Australia.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: thomasl@mtl.mit.edu (Thomas J Lohman)
Subject: Re: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:51:15 GMT

In article <17otp3INNkvp@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:

>sally---yes that picture had to be the best, and most freaky part of
>the movie--a. wilson

I noticed alot of people have been stating that they were "freaked"
out by the picture that Laura Palmer was given.  I didn't find it the least
bit "freaky".  It was interesting, very "Twilight Zoneish" if you ask me.

Overall I found the movie interesting but in the end not entirely
enjoyable.  Definitely not the best work Lynch has produced and my question
is whether he has anything left to offer.  Perhaps the Coen brothers 
should have made "Twin Peaks."...an interesting thought since I found
"Barton Fink" to be a much "freakier" film than anything which has come
from "Twin Peaks."


--tom


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: pnorman@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T.  Norman)
Subject: Any Lynch GIFS/JPGS around?  At all?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:42:43 GMT

I have searched and searched but I still cannot find a GIF or JPG of
David Lynch. (as Gordon Cole or otherwise)  I am looking in the 
GIF and JPG dirs at 130.220.16.88 (thats the audrey thingy) and
nic.funet.fi also.  Does anyone know if one (any) exists?

-- 
( )-------------------------------------------------------------( )
 | Peter T.  Norman        Memorial University of Newfoundland   |
( )---------------------------------( )-------------------------( )
 | UNIX:  pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca  |  "...if we wanted to      |
 | VMS:  pnorman@kean.ucs.mun.ca     |   make films that would   |
( )---------------------------------( )  not offend anyone, we   |
 |  "... i think i've reached that   |   would make them about   |
 |  point, where every wish has come |   sewing, maybe; although |
 |  true and tired disguised oblivion|   even that could be      |
 |  is everything i do..."           |   ...dangerous"           |
 |               -Robert Smith       |         -David Lynch      |
( )---------------------------------( )-------------------------( )
From: eneq@Haag.DoCS.UU.SE (Rickard Eneqvist)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The importance of the legend of King Arthur...
Date: 15 Sep 1992 05:56:09 GMT
Organization: Dep. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University, Sweden
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eneq@meryl.csd.uu.se
NNTP-Posting-Host: haag.docs.uu.se

	If someone already have made a post regarding what I'm about to discuss
please disregard this and give me a pointer to where I might read it and 
various comments to that post...

	First of all I want to state that I haven't seen FWWM and I haven't
seen the series XXX times so I might be out of my depth but I got to think
about this theory about going backwards in the lodge and rememberd something.

	Now to the tie of King Arthur; has anyone given the fact that the
entrance to the lodge was placed at Glastonbury Tower (or what the name now
was) any thought? If we go back to the legend we remember that King Arthurs
most trusted advisor was Merlin who (what a coincidens...) was said to live
backward in time. Maybe this tie to Arthur/Merlin is just a hint given by
Lynch to that affect that time really goes backward in the lodge (Maybe even
Merlin was a spirit of the White Lodge) or does the connection go even deeper? 

	Does anyone see any deeper connection between the two stories or am I
just out rambling about things only I see? Glad to read any followups on this
theme. See ya...

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From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: grey hair
Date: 5 Sep 1992 03:15:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep3.133528.24704@fig.citib.com> dmp@fig.citib.com (Donna M. Paino) writes:
>
>In article <KANDALL.92Sep1170900@globalize.nsg.sgi.com>, kandall@nsg.sgi.com (Michael Kandall) writes:
>|> 
>|> Why did Leland's hair turn white in the TV series?  I thought it was
>|> because BOB had taken over his mind/body/soul.  Coop said he should
>|> have realized earlier that BOB's grey, greasy hair, and the sudden
>|> change in Leland's hair was related.
>
>Josie, who died with BOB taking over her body, also had a drastic
>change in hairstyle, too.  But Cooper's hair never changed, so that
>last scene where BOB appears in his mirror doesn't follow the pattern
>(but what ever did, in that show!!!).
>
>Donna

I don't remember this, and I just re-watched the entire series before
going to see the movie. I do remember that she weighed only 80-some-odd
pounds after death, this was part of the her autopsy report. Back when
the series aired there was net speculation that the missing weight,
20-some-odd pounds had something to do with the projected weight of a
human soul.

Thinking about it, I think it would have been interesting to have
a cut of Josie applying her lipstick somewheres in the movie; since
afterall she was the first person whom we saw when the series premiered.

Also, while re-watching the episode 2020 (???) when Ben turns around
as if he sees something, I still think it was a flash of Josie, for
the next shot is of Pete staring at something and muttering something
like "Joise, I still she your face."

Sally--So did Ben die...and if so, who of Doc Hayward--A. Wilson



-- 
And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The ring and the necklace
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 19:15:42 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> The ring had been Teresa's for quite some time, since it was
-> in all the pictures.  After her death, it was found by Desmond
-> on a pile of dirt.
-> 
-> Laura's necklace had been hers for quite some time also.
-> After her death it was found by the police on a pile of dirt.
-> 
-> Perhaps the ritual aspects of Bob's killing someone involves
-> taking one of the person's possessions and making sort of
-> an offering of it.
Humm. Then why would the ring be connected with the lodge (ie: don't put on 
the ring). I would say that Bob's "offering" of it gives it those 
properties, but that doesn't explain the Owl cave symbols which are a mush 
better conection to the lodges. I think that Bob used the necklace quite 
simply because the ring wasn't there any more.

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| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: FWWM General Comments
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:45:59 GMT

>
>There are references to a hospital scene in FWWM. I saw no hospital 
>scene in the version I saw.

It will be in the uncut version
>
>
>Can't wait to see the 3:40 version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ditto.
>
>Ben wasn't falsely accused by Mike at the Gr. Nor. We learn later 
>that Leland was also in the room, but Coop and Truman misconstrue 
>Mike's falling down attack. 

Also the fact that Leland was friends with Ben.. OAM says "Bob was close but
he is not here now" when sensing around Ben at the jail.
>
>Waldo never leaves his cage in the movie. Stupid small mistake.
>
 The sex scene at the cabin is majorly cut as you could tell, maybe it happens
 in the uncut version.. there is one point where they do show the cage in the
 cabin in the movie and waldo is NOT in it but we never see him being
 released.
>
>
>"Mrs. Tremond's" grandson in the series says, "I am a lonely soul." 
>This is what Harold's suicide note also says.

What does the girl with the guy at Hap's Diner in the movie say to him in
French and what did it mean? (When he asks Desmond if he was talking
about that girl that got killed).
>
>
>My 2 cents: I loved what was left of the movie after "they" hacked 
>an hour and 31 minutes out of it. No wonder it's choppy. Needed: a 
>longer death scene, and more of everything in general. One thing I 
>really noticed was that I never felt bad that Laura specifically was 
>dead just from watching the series, but the movie let us all know 
>her. Meals-on-wheels, Johnny & Josie's tutor, coke abuser, and 
>sexual experimentor. " The fact that Laura sought medication, no 
>matter how dubious...." (Jacoby-can't remember the rest of the 
>quote.) Anyway, you feel really sorry for her, and I kept waiting 
>for her to triumph and not die. But hell, I'm a sentimental slob who 

 I agree totally.. the only MAJOR thing I noticed left out of the movie
 (besides the cabin scenes with Waldo) was Leland making a call from
 Ben's office to Laura the night she died.. could that have happened in
 the scene where we are supposed to see Johnny's birthday party?

 -=*George*=-

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