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From: Everette Gray Allen <everette_allen@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: MAC/UNIX mixed network
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A756122B58020B13@ccmc6.cc.ncsu.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:16:59 GMT
Organization: NCSU Computing Center
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:16:44 GMT

Subject: MAC/UNIX mixed network
From: Ray, degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu
Date: 10 Dec 1992 15:52:03 -0800
In article <1g8l73INN44m@bmsrs.usc.edu> Ray, degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu
writes:
>We currently have a AppleTalk network consisting of:
>	(2)	Mac IIx's	(acient)
>	(1)	Mac II		(acient)
>	(1)	Mac Plus	(acient)
>	(1)	Mac LC
>	(1)	LaserWriter II	(maybe it's an NTX)
>	(1)	Qume CrystalPrint Express
>and an ethernet network with:
>	(5)	Sparcstation SLC's
>	(2)	Sparcstation 2's
>	(1)	IBM RS6000
>	(1)	Sequent box
>	(2)	Printers 	(I'm not the UNIX guru here)
>
>We will soon be moving to new offices, and we would like to just lay
>cables for just one network and use one of the disks on one of the 
>UNIX boxes as a file server.  We don't however, want to spend a lot
>of money or lose either System 7 filesharing or being able to select
>printers via the chooser.  
>
>Any suggestions?  Please email, and I'll summarize and post.
>
>Ray DeGennaro
>USC Software Systems
>degennar@scf.usc.edu
>
>-- 
>
>Ray (DJ) DeGennaro II
>degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu
You could lay down a "local" ethernet.  By this I mean you could run
thinwire ethernet
cables between all your machines, buy ether net cards ($175ish each,
except $275ish for
scsi for plus) and then run cap on one of your unix machines to control
printing and
file sharing.  Looks like you will need a Etherwrite ($400ish) type box
to get the lazers
and Qume stuff on but total bill should be <$1000 depending on how much
wiring you have 
to do. I hope this helps.  EVerette
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Supra/v.32bis modem/Bottomline
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:57:32 GMT
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ

There is no good dim sum in Michigan! 

  > I have shopped prices on this purchase pretty heavily, including on
  > ZiffNet, Compuserve, PC Catalog, and Compustore Online. I haven't yet
  > checked with BottomLine Distribution (1-900-420-3737, $2/min), since I
  > would like to see their terms in an ad before calling a 900 number.
  > (BottomLine was in the 9/92 Computer Shopper advertiser's index, but
  > their ad isn't on the page number in the index, and I couldn't find them
  > in any of 8 or 10 mags currrently on the newstand. Sigh.)
  > 
  fu> BottomLine sells the SFM V.32bis Mac package for $319 (SW+cable) and
  fu> the standalone for $285. I just bought one from them. No MBG but they
  fu> will re-stock for 15% charge. They will also replace anything that
  fu> arrives defective. The only drawback is the 900 number. As long as you
  fu> have no problems, the price is good. But just one extra phone call to
  fu> correct some hiccup will blow your savings out the window.
  fu> 
  fu> Richard _\_   Richard J Appleyard  f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu /   \ 
  fu> Washington State University (   ) ) Voice (509) 335-7728  Fax (509)
  fu> 335-9688 \___/  "To err is human, but to really screw things up takes
  fu> a computer!"
  fu> 
  fu> --- Squish v1.01
  fu>  * Origin: zeus.ieee.org * [140.98.1.1]  (1:107/10)

I am still surprised how Bottomline has survived so long with a 900 order and
technical support numbers. Even FAXing them an order cost money.

Sure MacConnection, MacWarehouse and alike are charging the SupraFAX V.32bis
Mac package from $350-370. But you get $3.00 overnight shipping, 30-60 days
money back guarantee, and toll free tech. support (at least for
MacConnection). They have enough clout that everything are always the latest
version.

A friend of mine thought paying Bottomline $2 an hour to inquire about a
product is money well spent. My feeling is yes if they are staffed with highly
knowledgeable people. But my fear is many are recent hire and I don't want to
pay $2 an hour to have someone read info off a screen or from a brochure to
me.

Just my 2 cents. 

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 Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: owen@astro.washington.edu (Russell Owen)
Subject: Re: where is asante drive 5.01?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:54:56 GMT

In article <92349.155028CANTERO@EVALUN11.BITNET>, <CANTERO@EVALUN11.BITNET>
wrote:
>  I read that Asante have a new drive for Ethernet Card 5.01..
>  anybody can me say where is it??????

I just tried the astante computer address and account that were originally
posted, but they no longer work, so I called Asante (why didn't you do
that?). The current info (with changes marked) is:

anonymous ftp to:
Host Name - thrush.umesve.maine.edu
IP Number - 130.111.114.17

OR contact Asante directly (but it's a 9600 baud connection) at:
asante.asante.com
account name: kodak   <-- change
password: kodak       <-- change
look in /pub/uploads

Also, Asante can be reached at 408-435-8388

Russell Owen
owen@astro.washington.edu
From: msung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael L Sung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: QuickTime Moovies
Keywords: QuickTime, Quadra, Classic II, Commerical
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:40:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Trying this again...

Does anybody have the QuickTime movies that Apple developed to advertise
the Quadra and Classic II computers?  (They showed it on TV only a couple
of times, but they were great commercials!)  Or, does anybody know of ftp
sites that have good QuickTime movies?  Please e-mail responses.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

msung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: ccastjs@prism.gatech.EDU (The Amazing Jim Stembridge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Using ARA with a pulse dial...
Summary: Using ARA with a pulse dial...
Keywords: Using ARA with a pulse dial...
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:03:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, Design Department - Designing Yesterday Tommorrow

Is there any way with ARA to make it not dial using tones? Our telephone
is still antiquidated and uses pulse dialing. Please mail me if you 
know. Thanks!
-- 
                      ccastjs@hydra.gatech.edu
                I don't know nuthin bout anythin.......
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: drdan@src.honeywell.com
Subject: Re: Eudora Support
X-Sender: drdan@draco.src.honeywell.com
To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Posted-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09: 21:06 CST
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:21:06 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09: 21:11 CST

In article <1gig2aINNfph@calvin.NYU.EDU>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy
Smith) wrote:
>drdan@src.honeywell.com writes:
>>However, I can't promote Eudora as our in-house standard (that role is
>>filled by MS Mail), because I can't make a reasonable guarantee that a year
>>from now we won't have to change to a different application...
>
>	Feh!  What makes you think this can't happen with commercial
>software?  If every decision you made was based on "what happens if
>something changes and I can't 100% guarantee that the whole world will
>remain compatable with itself", you'd be reading your mail using PROFS on a
>3270.  And pointing to a Microsoft product as an example of software that
>you can count on to track newly developing standards strikes me as a bit of
>a joke.

I should clarify. I **do** use Eudora, and Newswatcher, and Fetch, and
Telnet. (They're really a wonderful quartet of software. I also use
Turbogopher, but that isn't in the same league of stability yet.) However,
there is a strong difference between what I choose for myself and what I
can ethically choose for others. I know the risks of shareware and I allow
for that, and I do experiment with a lot of new stuff. (I also end up
reformatting my hard drive after major crashes about once a month. My
friends in PC environments think I'm crazy for using such a flakey system.
But that's all right because it keeps me on the cutting edge.) And there
are others here who experiment even more than I do.

But when do I have the right to impose a piece of software on others as
**the** standard we-will-help-you-if-it-goes-wrong package? We have people
here who would be quite satisfied with PROFS on a 3270. They are people who
begrudge even 10 minutes spent learning a new way to do something they
could already do "before it got all messed up". And that point of view is
reinforced by the quality of the work they do. One doesn't need fancy
programs to do the important stuff.

One is a personal decision, the other is corporate. Corporate decisions are
always conservative, because they affect so many more people. Someday, I
hope that enough users will have chosen Eudora personally that it becomes
our de-facto standard. But that day would come a lot sooner if Eudora had
an official status.

Daniel P. Johnson          Honeywell Systems and Research Center
email: drdan@src.honeywell.com  phone: 612-951-7427  fax: 612-951-7438
mail: MN65-2500, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN  55418
Quote: Truth always finds a natural way of telling her story,
       and a natural way is an effective way, simple or not. --Charles Ives

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Barry Cooper <bjc3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: ARA
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21: 02:36 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: bjc3@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:58:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.200810.2909@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains,
mcmains@unt.edu writes:
>>3.  Will it work on a LC with 10meg ram 40 meg hard disk, and an ATI
>>Technologies 2400etc modem.  The modem architecture is based on the
Intel
>>8031 microprocessor and uses a single chip digital signal processor. 
Has
>>CCITT V.42 error control protocol, V.42bis data compression and MNP
level
>>5 data compression.
>
>If you're running System 7 and can find an appropriate modem script, it
>should work fine. Modem scripts are available all over the net and on the
>commercial services as well. ARA also comes with several of them, and
>modem manufacturers will also sometimes provide them if they're targeting
>the Mac market at all.

It'll be awfully slow on a 2400 modem though.
Barry Cooper
bjc3@cornell.edu
From: wilhelm@infoserv.com (John MacWilliamson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: where to buy Teleport/Gold?(quick plse)ease
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:28:06 PST
Reply-To: >>
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Dec18.051412.5608@panix.com> (comp.sys.mac.comm), oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:
>In <BzF83u.D86@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Igor Livshits <igorl@uiuc.edu> writes:
>
>>I just checked with MacConnection and they have one for $429. 
>>1-800-Mac-Lisa
>
>I don't get it.  Why would anyone pay more than the $349 price which you 
>can get straight from the manufacturer?
>

      Because, you have to be a registered user of another Global Village
product to get the $349 price.  If you do not appear in the registration
database, you are inelligible.

John MacW
wilhelm@infoserv.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: James_Tilley@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us
Organization: Cyber Sanctum
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:41:14 PST
Subject: Re: Supra Modem cable

>Is it possible to buy the cable separately, or make it?
>I don't see the need for the whole macpac, just the cable.

I made my own cable.  No big deal at all, and it works like a charm.
I used a suggestion that I read in some magazine about buying an Imagewriter
II cable and then cutting it in half.  Then you can make two cables if
necessary.

>Thanks
>Tim


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: macgregor@slcs.slb.com (William I. MacGregor)
Subject: ASK command in CCL?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Schlumberger CS lab, Austin
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 02:13:41 GMT

We are trying to assemble a CCL script that asks the user for input (e.g.,
requests a password).  According to Apple's doc with the ARAP script
development kit, the ASK command should allow us to do this.  But the doc
contains no examples of scripts using the ASK command, nor does it suggest
where the input string resides after the ASK command completes.

How the heck do we test against the user-supplied string?  Is the string
tucked away somewhere after ASK completes?  As symbol ^N?  As as something
that ifstr can test?  Thanks,

 - Bill
From: MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Low Cost E-mail
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:46:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

dfisher@aero.org (donald fisher) writes:

>Does anyone know of a low cost e-mail package for an appletalk (primarily
>localtalk over phonenet) and ARA network with less than 10 nodes? The best
>would be peer-to-peer based since I don't want to dedicate a mac for just
>e- mail (though a partially dedicated mac+ would be okay).

Casady & Greene (I'm pretty sure they have an 800 number) recently released
such a package. I have no experience with it, but it looks quite
interesting on paper.

__________________________________________________________________________
Stephan Somogyi                critical pathologist                MacUser
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin)
Subject: Re: XyZEL Modem WAS(Supra v32bis or Teleport Gold?????)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:22:41 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19

ssocl01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>Hi anyone,

>	I cannot decide which modem to buy: the Supra Fax/modem v32bis or the
>Teleport Gold?

I'd recommend the XyZEL U-1496E+.  It's a little more expensive, but their
service dept is incredible and the plus will include free upgrade.  This
modem also has caller ID, Call back, and Voice Mail.

>	Which one is more expensive?
	Supra's the Cheapest.  Teleport Gold is a better modem and includes
good software too.  XyZEL is the most expensive.  But I'm think the money
is WELL worth it.

>	Which one is more reliable - I will have trouble sending any modem back
>to reseller for fixing!!!!

XyZEL

>	It seems to me that the SFM works for someone but not for others, 
>especially in the send fax mode.

>	I have no idea about how good the TP gold could be. 

>	According to the Macuser december? issue they highly recommend the SFM.

>	Where can I buy one of the above modems? Please include a fax number.
>The firm should do international delivery as I am not living in America.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dwitt@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dallas)
Subject: Zoom 2400 baud PKT modem
Keywords: zoom, pocket modem, 2400 baud, hand held
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:55:55 GMT

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the
Zoom PKT pocket modem, 2400 baud -- this is a zoom fax/modem.
I plan to use it with my Mac PowerBook 160.  I plan to use it
only occasionaly, so I don't feel that a faster modem is all
that important for my intended use.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?  If so, please
reply here.  Thanks!




-- 
Dallas Witt: Computer Resources Laboratory, College of Education
The University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA  52242 .. Phone 319-335-5624
             Internet: dwitt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu (Sean Kennedy)
Subject: 2400 baud modems
Keywords: modems
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:14:18 GMT


	Hello all!  I would like to get my system a relatively cheap modem
for christmas.  Basically she will only use it for e-mail.  I figure 2400
baud is probably sufficient.  I was wondering if anyone could recommend a
decent modem for about $100.00 or less.  I am considering getting a Zoom?
Has anyone had any experiences with a 2400 baud Zoom that they would share
with me?

				Thanks a lot,

				Sean Kennedy

				kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: edgar <Ed_Ghiocas@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Help: Sharing non-networkable modem
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75606B02905DB0D@mondovet.vet.unimelb.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18: 28:00 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:29:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.203013.10496@netcom.com> Greg Friedman,
friedman@netcom.com writes:
>I am looking for a utility that would allow me to share a non-
>networkable modem on an appletalk network.  I've seen it done
>before - so I know it's possible.
>
>There's a commercial product out called ShadowWriter that lets
>a networked mac share it's personal printer.  I am looking for
>the modem equivalent.
>
>I am hoping to find shareware that will do it, but please let
>me know of ANY software that can do the trick.
>
>Thanks!

PortShare from Stalker software does this very nicely.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: Re: Printer on LocalTalk, Net on EtherTalk..
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:52:36 GMT

In article <168B96FEC.SUSANMC@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> SUSANMC@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Susan McIntosh) writes:
>In article <ByM54K.Kxr@utdallas.edu>
>karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches) writes:
> 
>(stuff omitted fore and aft....)
>>Sonic Systems Super Bridge does this in software. You plug the Laserwriter
>>into the printer (LocalTalk) port on a Mac with a Ethernet card. The
>>Super Bridge SW runs in the background and routes jobs to the printer.
> 
>Haven't used it myself, but just read a recommendation in MacUser (June '90)
>for Farallon's Liaison.  Does essentially the same thing and was highly
>recommended.  Might check into it, too.

If you're connecting a single LocalTalk device, you might want to check out
Farallon's PowerPath, designed for just this task.  You simply install 
power path on any Ethernet connected Mac and connect your LocalTalk device
to that Mac via the supplied PhoneNET StarConnector.  It's smaller and
less expensive than Liason, and doesn't generate the traffic of a full 
router. 
 
If you want to connect up to 8 LocalTalk devices the same way, you can use
the LocalPath software.  I just attended a Farallon conference where they
discussed all this new stuff, so E-Mail me if you would like more info.
 
Having said all that, I still think that routing is a hardware job. :)
We use a Dayna EtherPrint box to connect our printers to out Ethernet 
network, and have never had a problem with them.  If you've got the bucks
to spend, hardware routers are the best way to go, IMHO.
 
                              Ken



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: Eudora Support
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:27:24 GMT

In article <9212141613.AA18858@draco.src.honeywell.com>,
drdan@src.honeywell.com wrote:
> The fact is that shareware is much more likely to be discontinued then
> commercial, even factoring in the individual's commitment to the product.

I think that's true in general.

> Newswatcher had
> to be dropped by its orginator, Steve Falkenburg.
>
> Consider Eudora.

These two programs have something extra going for them; freely available
source code.  THAT is the ultimate insurance, MUCH better than a commercial
package.  Of course, it's the kind of insurance that you have to pay for
when you need it (in terms of manpower if you have to do anything with it),
instead of up-front (to get the software in the first place).

> can't depend on its future (if Qualcomm were to start having cost problems,
> it has to drop marginal efforts to survive).

Just for the record, if Qualcomm stops Eudora development, UIUC picks it up
again.  There is also some work being done on Eudora under NSF auspices
(and the project involved is a four-year project involving education and
networking).  Diversification leads to survivability.  :-)  This doesn't
affect the general argument, of course, but I want to reassure Eudora
users.

> However, I can't promote Eudora as our in-house standard (that role is
> filled by MS Mail), because I can't make a reasonable guarantee that a year
> from now we won't have to change to a different application

I don't think this is utterly wrong, but it is very conservative.  I
generally have a two-to-three-year horizon, beyond which I make no
promises.  A lot can change in commercial software in that time, too.
--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: brennan@tango.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan)
Subject: Re: 'comp.sys.mac.mactcp' newsgroup?
Organization: Cumberland College of Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:08:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.052858.15018@netcom.com>, creiman@netcom.com (Charlie Reiman) writes:
> trier@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier) writes:

	[...] 
> aus.mac
> chile.comp.mac
> su.computers.mac
> su.macintosh

	Well, obviously these are NOT intended for international posting!
	I ask you, *WHY* would you be reading su.macintosh when you
	have the plethora of international mac groups? All the su.* groups
	are meant for LOCAL consumption.. I have never (and never will)
	read the mac group from Chile!!!

	As for international groups, sure - why NOT make them more
	specific?

	I think what you've pointed out though, is the major problem
	of logical/consistent NAMING of these sub-groups...

> My final argument against new groups: cross-posting. Consider where you
> posted this original. This very thread appears in three newsgroups.
> Why? Because they already overlap.  Well, if you form c.s.m.mactcp (or
> whatever) you've got another target to shoot for.

	Well - I don't have an argument with that - if there IS a
	specific group, then wouldn't that cut DOWN on cross-posts??

	Just my opinion, no doubt wrong on a dozen points :-}

        Luke Brennan   brennan@cchs.su.oz.AU
	"I am minuspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctious
	 to have caused you such perricabobulations."
	(EB to Dr Samuel Johnson, author of the Dictionary - BA3)