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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Tue, Sep 08th, 1992
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:29:58 GMT
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Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
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     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 08, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
           z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader; EL-eliminated.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	 --
Cincinnati Reds		z20		        Montreal Expos		 22
San Diego Padres	z20		        Chicago Cubs		z17
Houston Astros           10		        St. Louis Cardinals     z17
San Francisco Giants      5		        New York Mets           z11
Los Angeles Dodgers	 EL		        Philadelphia Phillies	  3

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	 --
Minnesota Twins         z21		        Baltimore Orioles	 24
Chicago White Sox       i20		        Milwaukee Brewers	z21
Texas Rangers		 10		        Boston Red Sox          z11
California Angels       z 8		        Detroit Tigers          i11
Kansas City Royals      z 8		        New York Yankees        z11
Seattle Mariners	  1		        Cleveland Indians        10
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From: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: jays callups and thei
Date: 7 Sep 92 05:29:51 EST
Reply-To: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
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>In article <BtwEyD.80L#cs.dal.ca>, niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>   Turner Ward- ... He may pinch hit a little bit but ...

VE>Since when is Cito using pinch hitters? Has someone finally broken the
VE>secret that pinch hitters are allowed in the American League?

VE>It is my impression that the Blue Jays use very few pinch hitters:
VE>certainly I have been baffled about some of the match-ups that Cito
VE>permits. Does anyone have numbers for this?

VE>Vince.

Righhhhtttt; let's bash Cito for not using his bench to pinch hit. He
should be sending Fredo Griffin (.200 BA), Pat Tabler (.241) and Derek
Bell (.221) up more? He didn't use Myers or Doucey much before they
were treaded, since their averages were low too. He did use Kent
before he left for NY (even though he hit all of .241), and last year
used Mullinicks and Parker. This year Cito hasn't had much of a bench
to use; what would you do with what he's got?

Matchups are a funny business. At today's (Sun 10-06) game Cito pulled
Eichhorn in a jam with Kent Hrbek coming up. Both Henke and Wells were
warming, although Henke had started heating first and looked readier.
It was a save situation, 8th inning. Since Hrbek bats left I expected
Wells, the lefty, then Henke for the final out and the 9th. Cito went
to Henke, who got Hrbek, the next out, and the save in the next
inning. The point? When I looked up his stats, Hrbek hits *_BETTER_*
off lefties (.265 vs .240). In addition, Hrbek was DHing because of a
sore shoulder; would he not have more trouble getting around on a dead
fastball pitcher like Henke than on a curveballer like Wells? It's
easy to criticize the matchups, but these things don't happen in a
vacuum. . . Mike
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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby)
Subject: Re: humid or dry - loosiers
Keywords: flight dist
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:03:17 GMT

>>>Less dense?  I'm no authority but I equate Humid air with Thick air.
>>
>>yeah, and thats why you were accepted into a loosier-ville
>>university.  take a few science classes there if they offer them.
>>I knew all this chemistry at one time, but old age
>>and many beers are slowly draining my brain. 
>>;-)

rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
>SMILEY FACE OR NO SMILEY FACE, THEM ARE FIGHTIN' WORDS!!!

agreed, they are.  

>You know, I wonder how those Buffalo-butts are going to do in big-eight
>basketball-- SEVENTH???

who cares?  I'm an Illini alum, and when I was there from 85-89
we whupped some loosier butt more often than i went to class...

>Probably as easy as the courses the courses they teach at CU.
>Actually, you are right, if they offer Chemistry here I wouldn't know it,
>I merely a math student.

well i was a cs/math student at Illinois, so I dont know anything
about any CU courses thankfully.  :-)
at least they've got some good football to see on saturdays...

>RStimets

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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jerry Browne (was Re: Opinions, give 'em to me and make it hurt!
Keywords: eat more moose
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:56:17 GMT
Organization: The Hosequarium South

In article <5603@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
|> What does the collective think or know about A's 3bman Jerry Browne?
|> 
|> It seems that he's hitting okay this year but not for much power.  Is
|> he a legitimate major league prospect?  I know nothing of him so any
|> opinion, fact, minor league stats etc etc would be helpful in helping
|> to determine whether he's a pick of mine in next years ABPA draft.
|> 

Prospect?  He's been up for at least six years.  He's okay for
a bit part, but that's about it.  Incidentally, he's not really
the A's third baseman; he's a utility guy that does everything except
bring the tarp out when it rains.  Perhaps he would be more effective
at that...

He came up with the Rangers around the same time period as other 
major league bombers like Oddibe McDowell and Bobby Witt.

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From: cas@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Cathy Smith)
Subject: Re: humid or dry air ?
Keywords: flight dist
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:29:46 GMT

In article <Bu9v12.KJ9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.153130.20008@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby) writes:
>>
>>This has probably come up in the "high altitude" research
>>on the distance a baseball will go .etc...
>>
>>All other things being equal, will a baseball travel farther
>>when it's hit in humid air (say 75%) compared to dry air (<10%) ?
>>My intuition says humid air, as it's less dense ?
>
>Less dense?  I'm no authority but I equate Humid air with Thick air.
>

Humid air is less dense than dry air at the same temperature and
pressure.  Air has a molecular weight of about 28.5 or so.  Water
vapor has a molecular weight of 18 (grams/liter).  Therefore when
the air is more humid, lighter molecules are taking the place of
heavier ones.  The air usually doesn't contain more than 5% water
so the difference in density is small but, all other factors being
equal, will result in the ball going further.

Cathy Smith
cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu



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From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Times on Base: all-time records and Frank Thomas
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:46:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Here are, as best I can find them, the all-time records for career times
reaching base (H+BB+HBP), and times reaching base per game (among players
with at least 3000 times reaching base).

	Times on base				TOB/G

1. Pete Rose		5921		1. Ted Williams		2.056
2. Ty Cobb		5531		2. Babe Ruth		1.986
3. Carl Yastrzemski	5304		3. Lou Gehrig		1.975
4. Stan Musial		5282		4. Wade Boggs		1.966*
5. Henry Aaron		5205		5. Ty Cobb		1.824
6. Tris Speaker		4997		6. Tris Speaker		1.792
7. Babe Ruth		4971		7. Hank Greenberg	1.791
8. Eddie Collins	4891		8. Rogers Hornsby	1.778
9. Willie Mays		4790		9. Jimmy Foxx		1.774
10. Ted Williams	4712		10. Joe DiMaggio	1.757
11. Mel Ott		4648		11. Stan Musial		1.746
12. Frank Robinson	4561		12. Richie Ashburn	1.743

*Through last season.

The active leader in TOB is George Brett, with 3882 coming into this season,
and well over 4000 by now.

Some comments:

Look at how many sluggers are on these lists, and how few scrappy little
on-base types.  Pete Rose, Eddie Collins, Wade Boggs, Richie ("Mr. Underrated")
Ashburn.  

Does anyone else think that Tris Speaker is getting a raw deal from history?
As Bill James once pointed out, people who saw both Cobb and Speaker play did
not all agree as to who was the better player.  I think it's safe to say that
Cobb was, but I also think it's safe to say that anyone who even gives Cobb a
run for his money deserves a little more active remembering.

Players we're forgetting too quickly:

	Stan Musial
	Tris Speaker
	Mel Ott
	Ernie Lombardi
	Roy Campanella
	Jimmy Foxx
	Honus Wagner
	Bobby Grich
	Ron Santo
	Richie Ashburn
	Eddie Mathews
	Duke Snider
	.
	.
	.


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From: kettler@ahab.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Cost of a ballgame (was Re: Heartwarming Jose Story)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:31:00 GMT

In article <24643@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambri writes...
>Here's one to add to the Legend of Canseco.
> 
>I have two nephews who idolized (note past tense) Jose Canseco.  They
>live in Toronto, and every time I'd visit, they'd show me their latest
>Canseco baseball cards.  Last year, their Father took them to the Bay
>area on a trip, where they attended an A's game.  The kids were ecstatic
>about the chance to meet Jose.  Before the game, during warmups, Dad
>worked the kids around the stadium so that they were within 20 feet
>of their hero.  The oldest (about 10 at the time), adorned with an A's
>cap and Canseco T-shirt, called out "Mr. Canseco, could we please have
>your autograph?"  The reply:  "20 bucks and its yours."  I haven't heard
>my nephews mention Jose since.
> 
>Some food for thought for Texans who take their kids to Rangers games:
>be sure to bring some twenties to the ballyard.
> 
I'm curious. Have people started to include the cost of players' autographs in 
how much it costs for a family of four to go to a baseball game? If not, then 
$100 is too low and it will be closer to $200 for a couple autographs. Note: I 
say this with indignation at what is going on now.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Clemens update please
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:42:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.122416.26482@europa.asd.contel.com> king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
>
>Unfortunately for Clemens, in his last outing Boggs was given and error
>for mishandling a hot shot to the corner.  2 runs scored and were
>unearned.  Clemens ERA was 2.26.  Boggs went and spoke with the scorer.
>The scorer overturned the error after hearing Boggs story and Clemens
>was charged with 2 earned runs raising his ERA to the current 2.31.

Okay, that does it!  Get Boggs' butt out of town!  I'm sick of his
half-assed hitting and his ridiculous contract demands.  He used to be
like Canseco or Henderson, a jerk who could be excused because of his
greatness.  Now he's simply a jerk.  Let some other team waste the
money on him.  He isn't worth $3 million/year, let alone the $20
million contract that he wants!

Glad we kept Cooper.  He can't hit very well, but he's better than
nothing.

-Valentine
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Clemens four Cy Young!
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks on the Net
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:58:47 PST
Distribution: na

In article <16907@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Owners' Lackey Huckabay) writes:
>
> I don't see Cecil Fielder, this year, doing that any more than a
> roughly league average player.  I'd rather have any number of other
> first basemen than Cecil.  Despite his 3.9 * 10^13 RBI, or however
> many he currently has.
> 
> I say the Tigers should sign this Fafoofnik guy in the offseason, and
> put him behind Phillips and Whitaker.
> 

 On a new local sportstalk radio show (LA area), the two jocks were discussing 
 major awards.  Their first proposition was that Eck must win either MVP
 or Cy Young (I had no big problem with that).  But, according to them,
 Cecil is now a major contender this year due to those 31 hrs and massive rbi
 totals.

  "Mediots" yuck. The few decent ones are dwarfed by the avalance of bad.

  Mark Pede
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 3000 hit Trivia
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:22:23 GMT
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) says:

>On ESPN, on the occasion of Yount's 3000th hit, they mentioned that if Brett
>makes it this year (looking less and less likely, BTW), it would only be the
>4th time in history that two players have made the club in the same year.
>Actually, there have already been four such events. Yount/Brett would be the
>fifth.
>
>Here's the clue. This has happened in 1914
>				      1925
>				      1970
>				      1979
>				      (espn missed '25)
>
>I supplied the years. You supply the names.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  This is interesting because if Brett doesn't make it this year, we could
have the same situation next season.  Both Brett and Winfield should make it
next season.

SfH
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jays drub Twins .... Game-10  9/4/92
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:56:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20165
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


     Twins ........... 5 ; Blue-Jays ........... 16

The Twins riding on a 4 game winning streak looked like extending 
it one more as they scored of a David Cone wild pitch in the top
of the 1st. However, Cone was was not to be denied of his first
AL- victory as his team-mates massacared the Twins pitching and
scored 10 runs in the bottom of the 4th to lead 12-4.

Kevin Tapani took the loss(14-10). 

S.H
Forever Twins
From: kettler@ahab.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Canseco in postseason (was Re: A's Lineup!)
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:23:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Sep4.193816.7192@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes...
>kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson) writes:
>>[...] Canseco has absolutely sucked
>>in two of the 3 World Series he's played in -- and the 3rd one doesn't count,
>>it was against Giants pitching :).  
> 
>Yes -- but no more than the rest of the A's.  Canseco hit a grand slam
>against the Dodgers in 88 (off the white-hot Hershiser, I believe?)
>but it was erased by Gibson's homer off Eckersley.  And I don't see
>anybody quoting the horrendous WS stats of Stewart, McGwire, Steinbach
>or anyone else.  (I don't know how bad they are -- but they must be,
>because the A's as a team sucked so bad in the 88 and 90 series.)
> 
Actually, it was against either Belcher or Leary in Game 1. Orel pitched Game 
2, not game 1 since he had to pitch Game 7 of the NLCS.

Also, Stewart actually pitched well other than the 7-0 Game 1 in '90. He won 
the '89 World Series MVP of course and wasn't bad in the others.

>>Seriously, remember how bad he was
>>against the Dodgers in '88?  One HR in game 1 or 2, then *nothing*.  I think
>>he's .065 or something for the '88 and '90 series combined.  
> 
>Like I said, I don't believe that McGwire, Hendu and Rickey did much
>better -- nor did those "hard working, dependable, clubhouse leader
>types" (Steinbach and Lansford).  I'd be happy to see the stats,
>though.

Rickey didn't play in the '88 World Series since he was still with the Yankees 
and played well against the Reds. He was the only regular to play well against 
them. 
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From: jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff)
Subject: Re: Olsen and Blyleven (was: Players-Turned-Actors)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:50:59 GMT

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>I remember Ron Cey doing a Wheaties spot years ago ("Before I
>swing for the bleacher seaties, I get the eaties for my
>Wheaties".. I hope they paid him a lot of money for that one).
>Thank God he never got bitten by the acting bug.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Actually Cey did give acting a try just after he retired.  He had a 
 small part in a bad movie.  I can't remember the name of the movie,
 but I think the title was one letter like "X" or "Q" or something.  I'll
 call a friend of mine tonight.  She'll know because for some strange
 reason she was a huge Ron Cey fan.  I think that after his lone movie
 appearance he realized (or somebody realized for him) that he can't
 act.

 Just my $0.02.
 Neff
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: roy NL
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:18:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: zariski.GRABINER.92Sep4191905
Organization: Harvard University Dept. of Mathematics
In-reply-to: chico@athena.mit.edu's message of Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:08:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150823.27605@athena.mit.edu>, Thomas A Weston writes:

> Also, the park factor I'm referring to is calculated as a team runs scored and
> runs allowed per game.  This puts all stats in the team context.  It doesn't
> actually address the park directly, but in some ways is more valid.  Take a look
> at the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract for more explanation.

This was one of Bill James's mistakes.  The proper way to compute a park
hactor is to take the ratio of runs scored in the team's home games to
those scored in the team's road games.  This is indpenedent of the
specific players on the team.

If you use the raw totals, you mix effects from the park with effects
from the players.  When Hershiser went out with an injury, that
certainly caused the Dodgers' pitchers to allow more runs, but I don't
think it had much effect on whether Dodger Stadium was a pitchers' park.
Likewise, I don't tink that Tiger Satdium became a better hitters' park
because the Tigers signed Fielder three years ago.

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Will This be the year for the Jays
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:00:49 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


The Jays have tapped on the door to the WS, three times now....
in 85, the Royals squashed their hopes, in 89 Canseco's Monster
Sky-Deck homer snapped their hopes and in 1991, Pagliarulo's
line drive homer to RF broke their wings. In a  certain way,
though I root for the Twins, I cannot help feeling sorry for the
Jays and I know how bad it gets for the Jay's fan. Ask the Minnesota
Viking's fans as to how they felt after coming to 4 Super-Bowls
and failing.

Now assuming that the Jays make it to the play-offs this year and'
assuming that the Athletics also make it, the Jays have an uphill
task again considering how poor they have done against the As in
the regular season. The Jays have given the Twins a very hard time
and should the Twins make it to the play-offs(very remote possibility)
should try to work out of their postseasonal woes.

With big game pitcher, Morris on their side, let us see if the Jays
make it this time.

Go Jays if the Twins do not make it to the play-offs
Go Twins if the Twins make it.....

S.H
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From: ananim@aix.rpi.edu (Mark Anania Jr.)
Subject: Re: Magic Numbers Explanation...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:15:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.142138.27819@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.031014.24749@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) writes:
>>In article <5253@news.duke.edu> daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
>>
>>	The magic number is the sum of wins by the first place team
>>and the losses of the second place team needed in order to clinch a division
>>title. When the number reaches 0, the pennant race is over.
>>
>>	It's calculated as follows:
>>
>>	163 - (# losses of 2nd place) - (# wins 1st place)
>>
>
>BTW, have you noticed that ESPN has been giving incorrect Magic numbers
>in their baseball shows?  They seem to have replaced 163 with 162!
>AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
>
>-- 
>Pablo

    
      I have seen it calculated with 162 before, it just means when the
    Magic Number gets to Zero the first place team has clinched a tie.

-Mark....

From: jrp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Pessetto)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:54:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Juan Gonzalez career stats?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball


      He had 27 last year.  He are last years stats:



  G    AB     R     H    2B    3B    HR   RBI    BB
142   545    78   131    34     1    27   102    42


   John




From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:50:34 GMT
Subject: Re: A's/Rangers Trade!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) writes:

> In what has to be the strangest and (IMO) most insane trade in Texas Rangers'
> history, the Rangers have traded starting pitcher Bobby Witt, closing reliver
> Jeff Russell, and outfielder Ruben Sierra to the Oakland A's for Jose Canseco.

It's probably a sign of a great trade from both sides when fans of both teams
think it's stupid.  This is the first post I've seen from a Texas fan thinking
they got shafted, but there have been countless from the A's fans.  I'm
beginning to be less skeptical of this trade.

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