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From: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel)
Subject: Crank arm length
Keywords: crank arm length
Reply-To: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:55:56 GMT

I am thinking about buying a new crank set for my road bike because mine
does not accept a 39 tooth chain ring and I think the crank arms are to short
for me. I am 5' 11'' and wear pants that have a 33-34'' in-seam. I am a 
fitness rider and climb a lot of long mountain roads. I am in my 40's and
weigh ~180#'s.

The crank arms I have are 170 mm. Are these to short? What length should I
buy? 

Anybody have a Shimano 600 or Dura Ace crank set that they want to sell?



--Richard Pimentel
From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: NEWBIE Q: Clipless Pedaling Techniques
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:53:02 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

You might want to concentrate more on moving the pedals in a circle rather
than concentrating on pushing down and pulling up. It sounds like a minor
change, but it makes a big difference. When you get the circular motion down,
you'll find you can sustain cadence & speed with less leg muscle effort.
-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: painful groins - relief needed
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:34:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug26.073542.10874@marlin.jcu.edu.au> glpal@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Piers Larcombe) writes:
>This has got to be a common complaint.!
>OK - tropical or warm climate, 10-20 km riding every day,
>Fair bit of sweating.  You get the picture.

And it's not a pretty picture at that! Seriously, what is the nature of
the soreness. Saddle sores? Tissue inflammation? A little more information
would be helpful. Don't get too graphic!

For saddle sores the best treatment is hygiene. Wear shorts only once between
washings. Shower immediately after riding, or at least swab your bum with
astringent and get out of those shorts. Dry off well. This will prevent them 
from occuring in the first place.

Once I do have saddle sores I'll swab them with astringent several times each
day in addition to the above. If they are really bad I'll apply an adolescent 
pimple cream to help dry them out. (Are these the creams you are referring to 
below? I find that I don't have to take time off the bike when I have saddle 
sores. I just need to be extra clean. This is with 150-200 miles per week.)

If you have tissue inflammation the cause may be a too-high seat, perhaps a
seat with the nose too high. I'd check my seat height immediately after
seeing my doctor.
>
>Result = sore groin (male).
>
>Any clues to avoid this ?  Creams etc will remove this but only
>if I stop cycling, which I don't want to do.
>Are those gel-filled seats any use, or are they designed
>for comfort ?
>
>(I heard somwhere that stuffing ripe bananas down the trousers
>  provided lubrication _and_ a meal for emergencies!.  |:)   ) 
>

No comment on the gel saddles. I've never used one.

Good Luck,
Rich
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: awalker@cbnewse.cb.att.com (andrew.j.walker)
Subject: INFO needed
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:46:14 GMT


item 1.

I am interested in getting some mail order catalogs which
sell bikes and bike accessories.  Can anyone out there email
me either address to write to or phone numbers to call to
get these catalogs.  I know they exist, I just don't know how
to get a hold of them.


item 2.

Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) in buying
(complete) bicycles (as opposed to just parts and accessories)
from catalogs?

item 3.
Does anyone know if any mail order catalogs will send things overseas?
Does anyone have any experience in this matter?
(Whether they will or not is independent of my need for the catalogs
expressed in item 1)

If you respond to the net, please also include a copy of your
response to  awalker@ihlpb.att.com

Thanks much in advance!

Andy Walker
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: corbettm@leonardo.cs.curtin.edu.au (Michael Corbett)
Subject: Re: leg shave shacks
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:56:17 GMT

v008pcqu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Patrick E Tuxbury) writes:

>In article <1992Aug30.025502.504@vms.huji.ac.il>, oren@coma.huji.ac.il (Oren Mitz) writes...
[Amoung other things]
>> 
>>So what should I do?  Should I shave and hope that it won't grow longer?


>      Is it true that after you shave your legs for the first time it grows
>back thicker than it was in the first place.  Girls have told me so and I
>suppose they're the experts.  Anyone know otherwise?
>             						patrick

I don't really think all girls can be considered experts here as only a
few let their hair grow to it's full length after having shaved it.  I
was shaving my legs last year for about a year.  It really got to be a
pain as I was having to shave them every 2 or 3 days or they would
start to get itchy and irritated (I don't know how often others have to
shave but I had fairly hairy legs).  Anyway, besides getting annoyed
with being late for work because I had to shave twice ever 2nd or 3rd
morning my fiance also loathed my legs "keep them away from me, they`re
scratching me" was the typical comment.  Then she would toy with me
emotionally and say "don't that guy's hairy legs look sexy?  I like
hairy legs."  Anyway she finally got the better of me and I've grown
them back again now.  I can asure you they haven't grown back any
thinker than they were before I shaved them.

--
{           Michael Corbett             | TIME: Natures way of         .__o  }
{      corbettm@cs.curtin.edu.au        | stopping everything from   _-\_<,  }
{ If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.| happening at once.        (*)/'(*) }
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:27:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.123104.5775@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.190100.28995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>[]
>"On a totally different subject, last night when I was out riding
>"I almost collided with two kids (~15 years old) cycling against traffic.
>"
>"I wanted to say something like "wrong side of the street" but
>"I didn't want to sound obnoxious.  Suggestions on what to say?
>
>how about 'ride *with* traffic -- it's the law'?  (it *is* the law
>here in MA)
>
>-- 
>		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
>Andrew Hay	"Do not fraternize with that creature, I am trying to train him"
>a_d_hay@att.com	"But that's a parrot!"		"I was TALKING to the parrot..."
>		+--------------------------------------------------------------+


Does anyone know what the law is in N.J.?

-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: wurzelma@med.unc.edu (John Wurzelmann)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: UNC-CH SOM General Clinical Research Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:03:19 GMT

I am thinking of buying a hybrid and was guided towards the Trek 520 by
a salesman (I prefer drop bars). Has anyone had experience with this bike?
Please E-mail your answers.

Thanks,


John
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:54:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article Eyt@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca, praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
> In article <1992Aug31.134840.18866@galois.mit.edu> robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker) writes:
> >Back when I was racing, Nair was my favorite.  With nobody to train
> >Maybe an electric razor would work better, though.  Comments?
> 
> Yep it works for me.  The quality is not the best but then I move so fast that
> nobody notices  :-)  With an electric shaver you have to do it daily but one
> pass is quick and easy.  The best time to do it is at night.  Don't even think
> of doing it within 6 hours of a ride unless you have really thick skin
> because you will experiencing salt burns when you sweat.  Generally the only
> problem I have is having to do it every day (if it gets long my shaver lives
> up to its name of Philishave face-eater) and you will definately find out
> that some skin is a lot more sensitive (back of knee, thigh depending upon
> how high you go).  Of course this will no doubt lead us upto the bikini line.
> How high is mine?  Well you'll never see it.  Determination of the actual line
> is left to investigative powers of any YL's (Young Ladies) in my area  :-)
>   - Eric 

Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)






























Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 08:19:39 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug27.190100.28995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>
>On a totally different subject, last night when I was out riding
>I almost collided with two kids (~15 years old) cycling against traffic.
>
>I wanted to say something like "wrong side of the street" but
>I didn't want to sound obnoxious.  Suggestions on what to say?

"Wrong side of the street" sounds pretty benign to me.  I would usually
say something a bit more caustic, like "Wrong side of the street you idiot!".
And "What are you trying to do, get both of us killed?".  And maybe "Why 
don't you try learning to ride that thing?".  

I suppose I'm from the 'shame and derision work' school of motivation at 
times.  Which is more obnoxious, them riding on the wrong side of the street,
or you hurting their feelings?

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:23:27 GMT

This thread and others dealing with equipment and services still do
not belong in r.b.misc.  Please take this one to r.b.tech and use the
"Followup to:" field to redirect responses to other mispostings.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Crank arm length
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:01:06 GMT

shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
: In article <1992Aug27.195556.25113@dsd.es.com> rpimente@es.com
: (Richard Pimentel) is crank-y: 
: >I am thinking about buying a new crank set for my road bike because mine
: >does not accept a 39 tooth chain ring 
: 
: I am not sure I understand this.  Why won't it accept a 39 tooth ring?
: If it is a road bike, then it ought to have the bolt circles
: compatible with a 39 tooth ring.

Not if he has _real_ cranks:  Campagnolo Nuovo/Super Record chainrings
are only widely available down to 42.  There were 41 tooth rings
available occasionally, but the bolt holes intruded into the machined
area of the teeth.  Heck, he might even have _really_real_ cranks:
Campy (old) Record cranks would only go down to 44 teeth.  Sugino (and
others) made copies of both of these crank styles.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: NEW vitus 979 57cm blue w/warrantee
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:24:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug25.015644.26255@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>
>I have a BRAND NEW vitus 979 frame in blue (very cool looking)
>57 cm (bonded Dural Aluminum), it weights about 4.5 lbs
>it has a 600 ultegra headset and the 600 cartidge bearing bottom
>bracket already installed (the frame has also been aligned)  It also
>has the two year factory warrantee from Vitus.  This frame new
>from your local shop is probably 900+ with the headset and bottom
>bracket installed.

The latest Vitus 992 is available from Colorado Cyclist for
$795 with headset and seatpost.

BTW this is the _wrong_ conference for sales.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 00:25:58 GMT

> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:

>Or wear shorts, or those tight latex pants. :>

Those "rubber" shorts should be used for an entirely different problem.

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:34:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.205624.10448@javelin.sim.es.com> rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty) writes:
>--
>In article <1992Aug28.183952.17519@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
>ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
>|>
>|>How does one ride a MTB through sand? I have a Schwinn High Plains
>|>with 2.0"
>|>tires and I lowered the pressure to about 25#s. I can get the front
>|>tire to
>|>go exactly where I want, but the rear tire squiggles. If I back off
>|>the
>|>power I stall, if I add more power I spin and sqiggle. I could walk,
>|>but that
>|>defeats the purpose of cycling ;-}.
>|>
>|>NJC
>|>
>|>
>-----------Try getting more weight on your back tire by riding as if you
>were going
>down a steep hill, this gives you more traction in back and allows your
>front wheel to
>"float" some-what. This works for me, maybe you too.
>
>			Later-----------------Rich
>sig. under construction.........................not!

I tried that friday (but the sand was wet, so that don't count) and I squirmed
in a more controlled fashion. I found that floating seems to work well, but too
much float was like riding a wheely.

I had a suggestion from someone that I should try to control the squirm, once I
start to squirm it goes where ever the sand takes it. I've tried to control the
squirm but I usually end up stalling or digging myself in deeper.

NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:06:58 GMT


|>>In article <1992Aug28.183952.17519@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
|>>ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:

|>>-----------Try getting more weight on your back tire
|>.......lotsa-stuff-deleted...
|>
|>I tried that friday (but the sand was wet, so that don't count) and I
|>squirmed
|>in a more controlled fashion. I found that floating seems to work
|>well, but too
|>much float was like riding a wheely.
|>
|>I had a suggestion from someone that I should try to control the
|>squirm, once I
|>start to squirm it goes where ever the sand takes it. I've tried to
|>control the
|>squirm but I usually end up stalling or digging myself in deeper.
|>
|>NJC
|>
|>You must be tryin to ride in stuff that i'd ride around. find a place
|>to ride
where there is no sand. Thats my advice, "sands a beach" (sorry,
couldn't
help it)

	Later....................Rich
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Allan Maxwell)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:34:38 GMT

In article <Btys6w.K5w@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>There is stiffer stuff to be found around Canyon Lake (vic. New
>Brunafels), Garner State Park (vic. Leakey), and Towne Lake, for
>Pete's sake (vic. Austin).

Yep, those are all fine places to ride in this area, but my point was
that I doubt that your slick-tire equipt rode bike could handle even the
meager offerings within cycling distance of Rice U.  I ride combodia nearly
every Thursday from around 6:30 until dark; see you out there if you care to
prove me wrong:^)   ...I am easily identified by my broken left arm.

Allan Maxwell
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:50:46 GMT

bgahl@scuba.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Gahl SunSoft DPT Software Engineer) writes:
: 1) In the "recumbent" position, you are able to deliver more power to the
:    pedals (because of back support) than a "diamond-frame" rider does
:    sitting down. So, as long as the diamond-frame rider sits down, the
:    recumbent rider sits higher on the power curve (so to speak).

I appreciate the information in your posting, but I must object to this
one point.  It is only in the case of an extremely steep hill with too
large a gear that either rider will be limited by the maximum force they
can apply to the pedals.  In these conditions, I don't believe a
recumbent will do too well, as they seem to have trouble getting stuck
at "top" dead center on the pedal stroke.  For normal hill climbing, the
rider's power output is limited by their metabolic processes, and I have
seen no research indicating any physiological advantage for either the
recumbent or diamond-frame position.  In other words, I believe a rider
will produce approximately the same power at AT and VO2max on either
bike.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Summary: some math help
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:01:25 GMT

In article <16854BD38.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org>, M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>  
> [discussion about what side of road to ride on]
> You realize, of course, that *all*
> cars are going to pass you no matter where you ride, don't you?

  This, of course, is not even close to true.  As an example, let's consider
a road with all cars going a constant 45 mph, and spaced 100 cars to the mile
(that's one about every 50 feet - pretty busy traffic).  Now let's say you
take your bike on this road at 15 mph for 1 hour, against traffic.  Another
biker does the same with traffic.  How many cars pass each?  You get passed
by all the cars in 45 miles (4500) plus those occupying the 15 miles you
covered (1500) for a total of 6000 cars.  The other cyclist gets passed
by 4500 minus the cars over 15 miles for a total of 3000 cars.  He got passed
by half as many cars, the closing speed was only 30 mph instead of 60 mph,
the drivers had both more time to see him and more time to react - in all
the points, the other cyclists had a far safer ride than you.  If you still
feel like riding against traffic, ok, just please don't do it where I ride -
the drivers seem to hate cyclists around here enough as it is.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: Re: Recumbents (was Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??)
Followup-To: freytag@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:24:58 GMT

>	Yes, I mean how well cars can see me.  On the bike I have today I
>sit above the auto drivers line of sight, but lower than LOS of most
>truck drivers.  Different recumbents Ive seen situate the rider at different
>heights.  Of course I would prefer to go for one that is higher.  Height 
>seems somewhat dependent on the width of the rear wheel.  I would insist on
>having a wheel nearly the same size as I use now.  I need more information,
>however, until I become comfortable (dont know if I made that clear in my
>previous post) with recumbents, not to mention riding them s'more.
>-- 
>* Danny O'Bedlam  = dfl@panix.com = cmcl2!panix!dfl = Danny Lieberman *

I know from personal experience riding in a truck that there is little 
difference in visibility afforded by the slightly (no kidding), higher 
position of a diamond frame rider.  Visibility in my opinion is best 
improved by active measures like bright reflective clothing and a strobing
light on the rear of the bicycle (from the rear this is VERY hard to miss,
especially at night).  

While you can see forward better on a recumbent, the rearward ability to 
see from a diamond frame is better.  If you are riding a recumbent you NEED
a rear-view mirror.  

Cheers,
Richard Freytag
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:11:59 GMT

In article <ldnyytc@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:
>The place I work doesn't have a shower or locker room, but I still want to
>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you
>handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom?
>How do you handle being sweaty from the ride?

1. Have a shower before you leave home, and use anti-perspirant.
2. Ride in comfortable cycling clothes. Carry your work clothes with you.
   Leave your shoes at work if possible (they're awkward to carry).
3. Do NOT overdress! When in doubt, leave off your jacket. You should
   feel slightly cold at the beginning of your ride; you won't at the end.
   In the winter or early spring or late fall, ensure that your hands, feet,
   and head are warm and dry (they don't warm up).
4. Change in the washroom at work. If you don't have any disabled people on
   your floor, use the disabled stall -- there's more room.
5. Wipe down your torso and face at work in the bathroom with sopping wet
   paper towels before changing. Dry off with more paper towels. (Or bring a
   washcloth and towel). Comb your hair again after changing.
6. (For women) Apply makeup at work (other than moisturizer and sunscreen).

I know men who ride in a suit to work (carrying, not wearing, the suit jacket),
so it is possible to ride in work clothes, especially if you're male or dress
like a male. It becomes more difficult if your commute is over 5km or you're
a fast (or sweaty) rider.

Personally, I think the worry about perspiration is overdone. Except on muggy
days, I'm generally hardly perspiring at all when I get to work (25-3
minutes, ~10km). But, as you can see, I'm not a really fast rider.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.015834.11109@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>
>                                I have an old ABL rulebook that
>includes the 1940s version of the rules, but nothing later.
>
Now this I find interesting, a fascinating bit of trivia. Would it be
possible for you to post excerpts, or a brief summary of the rules
and/or history.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928