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From: steevesm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:11:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.215233.9580@coe.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) writes:
>>>daa@SEACHANG.DEMON.CO.UK (David Allsopp) writes:
>>>			 WIZARDS - OF ALL KINDS...
>>>			===========================
>>>
>>>7.  Which Heretic earned his soubriquet by declaring against the
>>>battle-religion?
> 
>     Minanon.    
> 
> BONUS QUESTION: What was his previous epithet?
> 
> 
>>>9.  Who had 91 days, 3 hours and 5 minutes of life left when he decided to
>>>forego the usual professional privilege of being collected by Death
>>>himself, and became Death's servant instead?
> 
>      Zane (last name forgotten, sorry)

It's been a while since I read Anthony's "Incarnations", but didn't he kill
death and assume it's "role"?
 
> BONUS QUESTION: Name ANY Piers Anthony Novel WITHOUT a sequel. (answer fast)
>      ;)

Macroscope.  Thhhhppppllllttttt!!!  ;)
 
>  24.  Who offerred to prepay the postage on the One Ring?

Oh god...from "Bored"...I can't remember.  I guess I'll just have to read it
again...;)
 
>  25.  Who is Ivo Archer named in memory of?

Ummm...a "Macro" question...I believe it was the name of the girl that Schon
killed in the school when they were little.
 
-darkelf
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From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
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Subject: B.B.L.
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If you ever get the chance to attend a Workshop or talk by Barry B. Longyear,
I *strongly* suggest that you do so.  He is both Entertaining and Informative.
He's the only speaker I've ever encountered who made the act of taking a dump
both Funny AND Interesting.
 
BTW, you *might* want to pick up a copy of his Writer's Guide.  It's only
"$10 - cheap".
 
Disclaimer:  The above is *only* my opinion.  I have no connection to
             Mr. Longyear.  I was mearly one of his pleased audience 
             members at this weekend's ConFusion.
 
Best, Dave.
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From: emeinfel@quadra.gb.nrao.edu (Edmond L. Meinfelder)
Subject: Network Narnia game
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:59:08 GMT

It is not much.  Imagine an old infocom game with several other people and
a language for programming.  It is rather fun.  Primary goal is socialization,
and enjoyment.  Not a kill the bad-guy orientation at all.  You can get to
it by telnet.  Try: 'telnet 192.33.116.103 6250' (with out the single quotes).

Hope you visit.  If you have any questions email: emeinfel@sadira.gb.nrao.edu.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:19:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1993Jan25.155107.107@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com>  
dittmare@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com writes:
> Niven: Neutron Star		
>         An example of existing science being used in a story.   
Taught
>         physicists the importance of tides in a steep gravity well.
>         Additionally, the other short stories in the original book  
could be
>         used as an example of a consistently built future.  Other  
authors have
>         built consistent futures (not just sequels to original  
stories),
>         but  the Known Universe is one of the longest and (in case  
you've
>         forgotten, here's another "IMHO") best.  

A good story, true. But "taught physicists the importance of tides
in a steep gravity well"?  Physicists knew about such things
for decades. (Besides, in the analysis I've seen, Niven's solution
won't work.)


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:48:06 GMT
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In article <2205@blue.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>In article <9301201000.aa23349@seachang.demon.co.uk> daa@SEACHANG.DEMON.CO.UK (David Allsopp) writes:
>>                       WIZARDS - OF ALL KINDS...
>>                      ===========================
>
>>5.  Who helped Paul Hoehler break the Peace?
>       ???
        Willi(?) Wachendon
>
>>20.  Who became resident Wizard in Gaea, with the unwanted side-effect of
>>being forced to control the reproduction of a race of centaurs?
>
        Cirocco Jones? 














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From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:10:12 GMT
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In article <C1GtJ0.72@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:
>Sad, isn't it, how none of these guys bother to credit any work done by
>women?

 Well, now, I seem to recall quite a number of lists that included LeGuin...

 Sincerely,
 
 Ray Ingles
 ingles@engin.umich.edu

 "Is knowledge knowable? If not, how do we know this?" - Woody Allen
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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Wizard of Earthsea
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:19:57 GMT

john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel) writes:

>So, how do people like the "Wizard of Earthsea" trilogy?


     Wonderful!.  I wish she had left it as a trilogy.

                                                -- jf


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From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:48:40 GMT

In <1993Jan26.152906.63217@cc.usu.edu> sl1yn@millville.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry) writes:

>In article <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:

>f Heinlein it's with a certain amount of sadness.  Here's a guy who is,
>|>technically, a wonderful writer, not to mention incredibly inventive.
>|>If he could only have gotten over the problem quite a few men of his
>|>generation had with treating women as real people.
>|>


>  Somehow, I don't think Heinlein would have thought mush about your
>certain amount of sadness.
>  Give the guy a break.  He grew up in the twenties.  People may have
>had opinions about variaous things that were just a _little_ bit different
>than today.

Whew, I'm glad to see a more reasonable argument here.  I understand Mr.
Heinlein grew up in a totally different era.  And believe me, it was
more than "Just a _little_ different".  There were quite a few men of
that generation, though, who were quite comfortable with treating women
as more than recepticles for babies.

I used the term sadness because I'm missing out on good reading.  I
really meant it when I said I liked his writing but I just can't read
it because it galls after a while.




>Larry Denys
>Sl1yn@paradise.declab.usu.edu
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:23:55 GMT
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In article <Dave_Wetzel-200193173047@dwetzel.mis.stratus.com>  
Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com (David Wetzel) writes:
> 
> Nice list Jim!  As predicted, I was kicking myself for not thinking  
of half
> of those on that list.  I also thought of two new short stories  
that are
> nearly required:
> 
> ??? - The Cold Equations

Tom Godwin.  A good choice, especially for historical reasons.
The basic concept is flawed (a rescue ship that has NO
fuel reserves), but the emotional impact is great.

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Jim Mann            
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From: phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:18:08 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.000023.21267@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tabron1@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> central theme of the class? Something about the ways in which SF allegorize the
|> world we live in? SF as the apotheosis of secular humanism? SF as the escape
|> routes of possibility for those with no escape routes in the "real" world?
|> What?

Something like that would depend on the professor, since SF can (and is)
all of those things.  Anyone who tries to pin it down to one specific
thing is painting themselves into a very narrow corner (and an indefensible
one at that!)

So, if the professor is one of those "literary types," then the course will
no doubt focus on great literary themes in SF, and include long weighty
works of great social import.  If the professor is a looser type who
actually admits to seeing "Godzilla 1985" when it opened, then the course
might focus on the treatment of the surfer culture in Mel Gilden's works.
Basically, there's just too much there to divide it into one category.

Hey, there could be "Computer Themes in SF," with the treatment of
the "thinking machine" as a focus (it would have to include "The Last
Question," "When HARLIE was One" (either release...it might be worthwhile
to stick with the original), and some of the cyberpunk stuff.

-- 
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phydeaux@cumc.cornell.edu       Cornell University Medical College and the
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu   Department of Academic Computing will disavow
phydeaux@src4src.linet.org      any knowledge of my opinions.
From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:22:08 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

You got me, Jim.  The way I stated my first post was misleading.  What I
*should* have said is: Heinlein is an important author - *especially* if
you're teaching sexism in sf.  I read his work a lot until I got to be
old enough to be bothered by his continual reluctance to treat any woman
character as more than a possible mother to children of important men.
That sounds terribly stident, I know, but it's how I feel.  When I think
of Heinlein it's with a certain amount of sadness.  Here's a guy who is,
technically, a wonderful writer, not to mention incredibly inventive.
If he could only have gotten over the problem quite a few men of his
generation had with treating women as real people.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A Face in the Frost
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:26:17 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <C1EF9E.L4D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
(William Shakespeare) writes:
> Has anyone read Bellair's _The Face in the Frost_?  It's sort of  
weird, but
> also interesting.  Has he written anything else?
> 

The Face in the Frost is the only "adult" fantasy novel
Bellairs wrote. It is a wonderful, inventive fantasy novel,
and more people should read it.  He also wrote a number
of YA fantasy books (which can be found in the YA section of
your bookstore) such as the The House with a Clock in Its Walls.

--
Jim Mann            
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:41:39 EST

   Since I only read .misc every other week, I'm jumping in somewhat late.
There was a similar thread in .written a few weeks back, and I submitted
a reading list for it based on historical and "famous authors" criteria, but I
don't want to repeat it here.  The conversation seems beyond that stage anyway.
 
   I *DO* want to recommend a four-volume series called "The Road to Science
Fiction" edited by James Gunn.  It includes nearly all the authors and short
stories mentionned so far, and includes historical perspectives as well as
commentary on each story on its author and the themes involved.  The first
volume deals mostly with "pre-SF" roots of SF which can probably be safely
skipped; the second and third volumes are historically oriented; the last
volume dealt with some "hot" and more literary writers of the time.  (The
series was published in the early 1980s, so it skips "cyberpunk")  The book
was explicitly designed as a college textbook, with 100 recommended novels
at the end of volume one.  (Again, it skips the 1980s and 90s)
 
 
   Using stories from this volume as well as additional novels (perhaps one
per every two weeks) would make a very nice course on history/theme/influential
authors of SF for those unfamiliar with the genre.
   It was published by Mentor, I think (the same outfit which publishes Signet;
I think it's NAL), and I haven't seen it lately, so perhaps it went out of
print.  It was a regular sized paperback, so the whole 4 volume series cost
only $20!
 
      Junsok Yang
From: mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Con Com woes
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:59:07 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

<1jof4jINNhjc@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper) writes:
>MB05704@swtexas.BITNET writes:
>
>>I have a had in running a small university based con every year.  Some of our
>>problems are :
>>        -- our attendance does good to approach 100
>
>Fine.  Small cons are good cons.  (I'm helping to run the Australian
>National Con, SwanCon 18, and we aren't expecting more than 350
>attendees, so we have work small)
>[...]
>>        -- we can't get guests that anyone would want to see
>
>Avoid guests.  Back to Basics (tm ;-) - have events and items that are
>fun.  At big cons, most attendees don't seem to live in the guest's
>pockets, so they wont really miss it if they're having fun.

It's a sad fact of fan psychology that we shun the program items for the
bar, and barely talk to the guests, but that you *still* have to arrange
a program and guests if you hope to get an attendance >=100.

Of course, low attendance = low cash flow + low guest cred  :-(
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From: phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie)
Subject: Re: A Face in the Frost
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems, Duluth, GA.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:19:03 GMT

In article <C1EF9E.L4D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes:
>Has anyone read Bellair's _The Face in the Frost_?  It's sort of weird, but
>also interesting.  Has he written anything else?

Yes, and Yes.

The Face in the Frost is excellent - one of the few fantasy novels that managed
to frighten me.

Bellairs wrote at least 2 trilogies of YA fantasy, the only title I can recall
is "The House With A Clock In Its Walls", about a youngster having to help
defeat a great evil that inhabits a neearby house.

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:16:21 EST
From: <JEK133@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Bookstores in LA area?
Distribution: ca

     There used to be a great store, dedicated entirely to SF and fantasy,
called "A Change of Hobbit."  Unfortunately, they've since gone out of busi-
ness.  The best ones I know of are Forbidden Planet on Ventura Blvd. in the
Valley, and Dangerous Visions, just down the street.  There is also a sister
store to A Change of Hobbit in the Bay Area, and I believe they do mail order.
 Also, if you want a store willing to order anything, Dutton's Books in Brent-
ood and the Valley is a great place.  Hope this helps.
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:31:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.081150.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, steevesm@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.215233.9580@coe.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) writes:

|> >  24.  Who offerred to prepay the postage on the One Ring?
|> 
|> Oh god...from "Bored"...I can't remember.  I guess I'll just have to read it
|> again...;)
 
 
  This Ring, and no other, was made by the Elves,
  Who'd pawn their own mother to get it themselves.
  The Power Almighty is stored in this Lone Ring,
  The Power, alrighty, for doing your Own Thing.
  Sought after by mortal, creeper and scallop,
  This ring is a sleeper that packs quite a wallop.
  If busted or broken, it cannot be remade;
  If found, send to Sorhed (the postage is prepaid).
 
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From: phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?)
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems, Duluth, GA.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:01:22 GMT

In article <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:
>You got me, Jim.  The way I stated my first post was misleading.  What I
>*should* have said is: Heinlein is an important author - *especially* if
>you're teaching sexism in sf.  I read his work a lot until I got to be
>old enough to be bothered by his continual reluctance to treat any woman
>character as more than a possible mother to children of important men.

Odd.  I find that Heinlein's later work tends to veer the other way.  There
is not a male in the last 5 or so novels that can manage his life w/o a
hyper-competent female to help him.  While I don't think that women should
be incompetent, I'd have liked a man who could live on his own in some of
those stories.

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From: jkossoy@irscscm.UUCP (Jeff Kossoy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Spider Robinson
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:56:32 GMT
Organization: Internal Revenue Service

sdavido@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
: In article <1993Jan21.135615.13906@bsu-ucs>, 00tlstanchfi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
: > I'm looking for more titles by Spider Robinson. I have two of the Callahan 
: > books (the first & the thrird, I think) and _Time Travelers Strictly Cash_
: > Are there any others? Pub dates? Publishers?
: > 
: > any help would be appreciated.
: > 
: > Please e-mail replies,
: > tracey
: 
: Meloncholy Elephants!
:  
: -Solomon
:  
Another good one is Time Pressure.

- Jeff
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:43:30 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1993Jan21.022049.14054@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani  
Zweig) writes:
> Yes, if I had room for half a dozen short-story slots in an entire
> sf course, one of them would still probably be by Cordwainer Smith.
> 
> But it seems to me that you're teetering on the edge of a common
> confusion between "what's a good list of recommended works by the
> top authors?" and "what's a good reading list for a course?"  If
> you're putting together a list of recommendations, you want to
> pick a good-but-characteristic work by each of a large number of
> significant authors.  For an introduction to sf, on the other hand,
> you probably want to pick a good-but-characteristic work in each
> of a number of subgenres or periods.
> 

I guess it depends upon the way you look at things. If I want
to know about a new genre, I'd look at it from the perspective
of authors (and to a lesser degree, influence).  My first
question would be: who are the major authors in this field, so
that I can try their works?  My second question would be: are there
any very influential works that I really have to read to 
understand the field?  That's how I approached the course
I made up.

For example, if I wanted to understand the mystery field, I wouldn't
want to approach it from a sub-genre point of view. I wouldn't want
one hard boiled mystery, one locked room mystery, etc. Instead,
I'd want to know who the major authors are: Hammett, Chandler,
Sayers, McDonald, McCloud, Stout, Christie (to pick those
I like best).  Then, I'd look toward influential works:
The Maltese Falcon, Gaudy Night, Roger Acroid (which isn't that
good a book but is influential).   

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: david@shakala.com (David Pratt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Space Patrol Cards
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:08:12 GMT
Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 408-734-2289



If anyone is interrested, I have some 1953(c.) Space Patrol collector 
cards.  These are extremely rare, and in EXCELLENT or better condition.


If you are interrested or know someone who is please respond to this 
address.

Thanx,
    David Pratt



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