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From: janus@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Newsgroup no.slekt
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:50:22 GMT

In case some of you didn't know about this newsgroup and are
interested in NOrwegian genealogy, I thought I'd mention
no.slekt.  Most if not all postings are in Norwegian, many
deal with looking for various relatives, farmsteads, information.
Probably would provide good contacts for genealogists in North
America.  Also information on several computer-genealogy
programs available in Norwayt.

Louis Janus
janus@staff.tc.umn.edu
From: orponen@cs.Helsinki.FI (Pekka Orponen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Address change: Univ. of Helsinki
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:53:27 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: andros.helsinki.fi

To whom it may concern:

As of 1.1.1993, the University of Helsinki has changed to a P.O.Box
based mail distribution system. Consequently, all s-mail addresses
for the University have changed. The general format of the new addresses is:

   Department of <Whatever>
   P.O.Box <departmental code> (<optional street address>)
   SF-00014 University of Helsinki
   Finland.

Use of the parenthesized street address is optional, but it should be
included for express and courier mail.

Specifically, the new address of the Computer Science Department is:

   Department of Computer Science
   P.O.Box 26 (Teollisuuskatu 23)
   SF-00014 University of Helsinki
   Finland.

E-mail addresses for the university remain, of course, unaffected.
Their general format is:

   Firstname.Lastname@Helsinki.FI
From: janeric@control.lth.se (Jan Eric Larsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Is Estonia "Nordic"? (Was: The Samii languages....)
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:24:57 GMT
	<2B435632.2988@ics.uci.edu> <2B43590F.3529@ics.uci.edu>
	<1993Jan2.152736.1@cc.helsinki.fi> <hberg.286@polisci.umn.edu>
	<1993Jan5.022409.1@cc.helsinki.fi> <hberg.288@polisci.umn.edu>
	<Organiza
Organization: Dept. Automatic Control, Lund Inst. of Technology, Sweden
Originator: janeric@bellman



Fast-Eddie Felson writes:

>There is not too much sence in economical or related unification  between 
>Estonia and  the Nordic countries.  Both sides would  benefit  of limited 
>political co-operation.  Currently I just can't see how it could work, if 
>the co-operation  reached the  internordic extent.  The Nordic  countries
>wouldn't gain as much as they give.

I think you are wrong. Of course the borders of Estonia cannot be
opened to the Nordic countries immediately, but I think that the
Nordic countries should do as much as possible to help Estonia join
Norden and "Europe". In economical terms it will be costly, but that
should be weighed against the political and cultural values gained.


Jan Eric Larsson                  JanEric@Control.LTH.Se      +46 46 108795
Department of Automatic Control
Lund Institute of Technology     "We watched the thermocouples dance to the
Box 118, S-221 00 LUND, Sweden    spirited tunes of a high frequency band."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:54:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.152736.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:


>Of course it is a Nordic language like Finnish (See the Nordic
>language convention: Nordisk spraakkonvention).

How do you know that?  Suppose I claimed that the Vatican is a Nordic 
country.  What criteria would you apply to refute this claim?  The best you 
could do is claim *you* think it isn't, but why should I have to follow your 
lead?

Apparently "Nordic" is defined by enumeration, something like: "Nordic" = 
"pertaining to Fi, Sw, No, Da, Icel".  What prevents anyone from adding to 
or subtracting from that list?  If Estonia is a candidate for addition, why 
not the Vatican?  Is Inuit (Eskimo) a Nordic language?  Is it Nordic only 
when spoken on Greenland, but not in Canada?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tknudsen@ics.uci.edu (Trond Knudsen)
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Summary: Population of northern Scandinavia
Keywords: Samii, population, Scandinavia
Reply-To: tknudsen@ics.uci.edu (Trond Knudsen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:35:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.111850.6684@kth.se> d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:
 > Nevertheless the theory of samis a some sort of
 > scandinavian indians is abandoned. I do not quite remember but 
 > I think the samis came from far karelia quite recently.(still BC though) 

May be someone KNOWS more about this. It was new to me that this theory
has been abandoned. What I know is that there are conflicting theories
of how northern Scandinavia got populated. (May be there was a third
sign on that post where the ugrian group divided for Hungary and
Finland?)
-- 
Trond Knudsen
From: leino@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Antti Leino)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:01:01 GMT
Organization: Turun katedraalikoulu

In article <d1hej.726592918@dtek.chalmers.se> d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson) writes:
>The fenno-ugrian languages is NOT a 'scandinavian' language.
>I quote a finnish official in the community of Roukki ( or something
>somewhere in northern Finland ,i think ) :
>'When the ugrian people came wandering from Asia the ones that were
>able to read turned south towards Hungary and the other ones turned
>north towards Finland.' (ok Ill place a smiley here but the quote is more
>or less correct (it has been translated from finnish to swedish to english:))

Well, not exactly.  The Uralic people originally lived somewhere around
the Ural (surprise..).  First the Samoyed people started wandering
eastwards.  A couple of millennia later the Finnic people started
walking westward, and some of them eventually got to the shores of the
Baltic Sea.  When they left, the Ugric people were comfortable enough
around the southern end of Ural, so they stayed there.  However, a
millennium or two later the Hungarians found some horses, and now that
travel was easier they, too, started to the west.  At that date they
could no longer find the path the Finns had taken, so they missed us by
half a continent, found nice pastures for their horses and settled in
Hungary. They arrived at about the same time as the Finns, not having
had to walk all the way.

Again, 8)

>And in the 'good ole' days' when Finland was a part of Sweden (or if you like
>if better) 'occupied' , Finnish had the same status in the Swedish Parliament
>in Stockholm as Swedish since many of the represenataives from Eastern
>Sweden :) spoke Finnish ... 

It seems, by the way, that until about the mid-17th century most of the
nobility in Finland spoke Finnish (or more likely were Finnish-Swedish
bilingual). After the 30-year war the upper classes in Finland got
steadily more and more Swedish, until at the start of the 18th century
most of them didn't speak Finnish. The representatives of the peasant
class, of course, were mostly Finnish-speaking.

--
Antti Leino                                Who appointed Santa?
University of Helsinki Computing Centre    How do we know he's impartial?
Antti.Leino@Helsinki.FI                          - Calvin
From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Keywords: klapperslange, stoevsauger
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:01:14 GMT
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>other words, the Dane can use (something close to what Chomsky called) 
>underlying forms.  For a Swede to pull the reciprocal trick, he'd have to 
>apply all the phonological rules that the Danes have added over the last few 
>centuries -

Nah....the Swede just needs to drink a few beers first.... :-)

-frisk

-- 
--
Fridrik Skulason      Frisk Software International     phone: +354-1-694749
Author of F-PROT      E-mail: frisk@complex.is         fax:   +354-1-28801
Xref: sparky soc.culture.nordic:8136 soc.culture.sri-lanka:1567 soc.culture.tamil:4965
From: JMARTTILA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Fast-Eddie Felson)
Subject: Re: Inauguration question
Organization: Turku School of Economics
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:25:58 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1993Jan12.150544.27755@microsoft.com> mikak@microsoft.com writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.154055.15613@abo.fi> JANIEMI@FINABO.ABO.FI wrote:
> > I _think_ that the two-term limit means two terms altogether.
> Is there really a limitation on the Finnish president nowadays?
> I haven't seen any mention of such a thing in the Finnish papers we
> get here in Ireland.

Yes there is, but mr Koivisto is still allowed to become a president
for the third term. This law was made a couple of years ago.

	JM
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Inauguration question
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:36:55 GMT
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

Torkel Franzen writes:
>Mats Winberg writes:

>       >the presidential election

>   Does this question refer to Finland or to Iceland?

Or the President of Norden :-)

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From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Inauguration question
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:49:27 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

etxmow@garboc29.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
>    If the incumbent wins the presidential election is there still
>    an inauguration ceremony, or is it skipped because he/she has already
>    taken the oath once?  And what about the two term limit? Is it
>    two terms altogether or two terms in a row that is the limit?

Depends on the country...  Here in Sweden we don't have a president...
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: janus@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: looking for PC/Windows programmer
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:43:42 GMT

If you are interested or know of someone who might be, could
you drop me a note (janus@staff.tc.umn.edu).

Of course I am willing to pay or share in the profits, or work
out some acceptable relationship.  

Ideas?

Louis Janus
5136 Sheridan Ave So
Minneapolis, MN 55410 
612.928.0952

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: etxmow@garboc29.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Subject: EXCUSE MY post to wrong group
Organization: Ericsson
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:07:08 GMT




    I mistakenly posted the inauguration question to this
    group - the intended group was of course s.c.usa.
    I humbly beg of forgiveness for this error on my part.



    Mats Winberg
From: pwoles@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Peter Wolesagle)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Bright Russian-speaking American graduate seeks employment
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:47:43 GMT
Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN


                (Abbreviated resume)
                
                Peter L. Woleslagle
                4403 Pine St. #2R
                Philadelphia, PA 19104-3955
                (215) 222-6384
                e-mail: pwoles@ccat.sas.upenn.edu

OBJECTIVE:
        A challenging position in a corporation or organization making use of my
        Russian language skills.

EDUCATION:
        M.A. expected, University of Pennsylvania, Department of Slavic
                Languages (current)

        B.A., University of Pennsylvania, 1991.  Magna cum laude.
                Dual majors: Russian and English

PRESENT POSITIONS:
        Editorial Assistant, Slavic Review (journal)
        and Research Assistant,Perestroika Dictionary Project,
        Center for Russian and East European Studies, University of
Pennsylvania
        Responsibilities include research, translation, proofreading, editing,
        word processing.

        Freelance translator.  Worked for several clients in Philadelphia,
        including Atrun Group, Strategic Management Group, and the Wharton
        School of Business.  Work included financial, legal, biomedical, and 
        petroleum industry materials.

MISCELLANEOUS:
        - 5 months total living/study experience in Russia
        - Experienced in use of Macintosh computers and software
        - Numerically adept (GMAT 700 total; GRE 760 quantitative, 710
          analytical)
        - Some experience in youth counseling
        - Creative and analytical thinker
        - Self-starter and motivator
        - Willing to travel and/or relocate within North America, CIS,
          Europe, Australia, or New Zealand
        - Available June 1993
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Eastern vs. Western Europe (Wuz: The Samii languages (are Nordic!))
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:45:48 GMT
	<nkjrm.100@taxus.uib.no> <1ih31sINNd7j@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk>
	<1993Jan8.135924.1@cc.helsinki.fi>
Organization: Norwegian Inst. of Tech./University of Trondheim, Trondheim,
	Norway

>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:59:24 GMT, thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi said:

> Anothor question is, whether Finland should be included in "Eastern
> European studies". According to common definition, Finland belongs
> to "Western Europe" (Christianity, parliamentary democracy and
> market economy) but is still situated in Eastern Europe (at least we
> have the Eastern European time).

A side comment: Very few people (even in Norway) think of how far east
Norway stretches. In a place like Kirkenes for instance sun time
(assuming you are there at a time of the year when the sun is visible)
is about two hours offset from the clock time which is CET (Central
European Time).

- Steinar
From: etxmow@garboc29.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Inauguration question
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:55:00 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Ericsson



    If the incumbent wins the presidential election is there still
    an inauguration ceremony, or is it skipped because he/she has already
    taken the oath once?  And what about the two term limit? Is it
    two terms altogether or two terms in a row that is the limit?



    Mats Winberg
    Stockholm, Sweden
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: vuyk@let.rug.nl (W. Vuijk)
Subject: looking for Swedish album/cd
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:49:44 GMT


Maybe a somewhat strange question in s.c.n. (sorry!), but I'm looking for an 
album or cd of the following Swedish pop group, and cannot get in in Holland:

Name of the group: Blyga Lppar/  Lars Larholm
Album title: Styggt Regn
Label: Discreet (Warner Bross Music Skand)
nr. Dislp 2005/1987 (of the vinyl album, I don't know the cd one)
year 1987

I am looking for this album (vinyl or cd), so if someone in Sweden will help 
me to get it, it would be great! Of course I will repay the costs!
Please mail me if you can help me:
  vuyk@let.rug.nl
 (Wim Vuijk, The Netherlands)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ojarnef@admin.kth.se (Olle Jarnefors)
Subject: Global or local warming?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:00:11 GMT

In most places in Sweden the five years 1988-1992 was the
warmest five year period ever recorded.  For Stockholm
continuous observations of temperature go back to 1756.  The
average mean temperature for the year is in Stockholm 6.6oC.
1988-1992 it was 7.8 degrees.  The next warmest five year
periods were 1971-1975, 7.6, and 1934-1938, 7.5.  Coldest
recorded period was 1784-1788 with 4.6 degrees.  (Coldest year
was 1867, 3.2 degrees, causing the last famine in Sweden.
Warmest year 1985, 8.5.

--
Olle Jarnefors, Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm <ojarnef@admin.kth.se>
From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Is Estonia "Nordic"? (Was: The Samii languages....)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:55:14 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

In article <JANERIC.93Jan12102457@bellman.control.lth.se> janeric@control.lth.se (Jan Eric Larsson) writes:
	>I think you are wrong. Of course the borders of Estonia cannot be
	>opened to the Nordic countries immediately, but I think that the
	>Nordic countries should do as much as possible to help Estonia join
	>Norden and "Europe". In economical terms it will be costly, but that
	>should be weighed against the political and cultural values gained.

might not the same argument be used to justify including Somalia?

Eric
   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
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 \, *_} AT&T/BT/etc. +44 279 403527/429531 x 3527, ESN (NT/BNR) 6 742 3527
   \(   DISCLAIMER:  Working at, not speaking for, BNR  | Eric.Barber@bnr.co.uk
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Samii languages (are Nordic!)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:22:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

In article <1993Jan8.133119.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:


>According to my opinion:

>(1) "Nordic" is a political concept <=> Refers to Nordic countries that
>form the Nordic council.

>(2) Scandinavian is a geographic (Scandinavian peninsula) and linguistic
>concept (the Scandinavian tongues).

>(3) Nordic denotes some "cultural togetherness" which is hard to define
>"objectively" but for example former parts of Swedish kingdom like
>Finland and Estonia share this common identity.

>Which the Estonians clearly demonstrated when the re-established the
>statue of Gustav II Adolf in Tartu/Dorpat and the Finns did the same
>in Turku/Aabo.

Swedish Pomerania was part of the Swedish kingdom longer and later than 
Estonia, wasn't it?  Does that make it Nordic, too?

As for Estonia, I can't see how erecting a statue can establish 
"Nordicness".  Does the Lenin bust on the Art Museum hill in ]bo make 
Finland a Soviet country?

As for Estonia's "Nordicness" (under any definition):  Estonia was always 
far more Baltic-German than Swedish in character.  They  had serfdom until 
mid 19th century, and have had no real experience with democracy (don't tell 
me P{ts was a democrat!).  Realistically,  Estonia's "Swedishness" must be 
seen as a "good old days" fantasy.

Jarmo, our house-fascist, of course views these matters in terms of Blut und 
Boden, we don't have to take him seriously, do we?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Is Estonia "Nordic"? (Was: The Samii languages....)
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:12:00 GMT

In article <JANERIC.93Jan12102457@bellman.control.lth.se> janeric@control.lth.se (Jan Eric Larsson) writes:

>Of course the borders of Estonia cannot be
>opened to the Nordic countries immediately, but I think that the
>Nordic countries should do as much as possible to help Estonia join
>Norden and "Europe". In economical terms it will be costly, but that
>should be weighed against the political and cultural values gained.

Why only Estonia?  Why not Lithuania and Latvia, too?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Subject: idiomatic expresion ?
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:17:42 GMT

Hi !
I am a Turk, who study in germany elektronic.
I will make a collection of differnt languages of
some idiomatic expressions.
If someone can reply me, i will be happy !
Thank you !
How do you say for (in your languages):

0.) Hi,hallo,..
1.) good morning !
2.) good afternoon !
3.) How do you do ?
4.) Thank you
5.) What's the weather like ?
6.) What's your name ?
7.) regards
8.) goodby ! so long!


                              Birol 


---
Birol Akdemir
Adress :
e-mail: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Is Estonia "Nordic"? 
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:21:35 GMT

thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi wrote:
: In article <1993Jan12.003930.19040@abo.fi>, JMARTTILA@FINABO.ABO.FI 
: (Fast-Eddie Felson) writes:
: 
: In the Baltic case the idea is that Norden should support the newly
: independent states more determinedly. Not that we should gain as much as
: we give.
: 
: In the long run the solidarity would benefit us as well: stabilizing the
: Baltic counditions could be a noble cause and a realistic goal.

Exactly. Estonia should be integrated as soon as possible into the western
organizations. It gives some guarantee for their independence, gives at least
psychological support and in a long run it is good for the stability on the
area. I wonder that many organization have accepted estonians but not
Nordic Council. It is a shame.

Estonia is certainly as much a nordic country as for instance Greenland by its 
culture if it counts something.
regards,
jarmo
From: einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Closeness of the Nordic Languages
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:52:43 GMT

In <STEINARB.93Jan7190633@villtind.idt.unit.no> steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:
>> Icelandic people here speak Danish with the others, except with
>> the Swedes, from what I have been told.

>Really? All Icelanders not resident in Norway I've met have preferred
>English. Icelanders in Norway usually change the Danish they have
>learnt once upon a time into a kind of Norwegian.

And after we have changed that 'Danish' into what you call some kind of
Norwegian, we Icelanders call that language 'Scandinavian' :-)

--
einari@rhi.hi.is
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: janus@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: no.slekt newsgroup
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:52:22 GMT


In case some of you didn't know about this newsgroup and are
interested in NOrwegian genealogy, I thought I'd mention
no.slekt.  Most if not all postings are in Norwegian, many
deal with looking for various relatives, farmsteads, information.
Probably would provide good contacts for genealogists in North
America.  Also information on several computer-genealogy
programs available in Norway.

Louis Janus
janus@staff.tc.umn.edu
From: cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Meaning of the Word "Nordic"
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:44:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings,

I guess since 'nordic' essentially means of the North, it should
be used on a geographical basis. Thereby we include the    
languages of Finnish and Sami. Thinking back, I should have
titled my posting 'closeness of the Scandinavian Germanic
languages' instead 'closeness of the nordic languages.'

Virtually,

E.J. Ryan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic