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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:48:09 GMT
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics

From vn Fri Jan  8 09:43:26 1993
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties

From article <726336901.AA04023@illusion.tpg.org>, by Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles):
> Hello Steve,
> 

Hello.

> 
> Your previous message about Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties said
> 

Don't forget, I said the fact that para 23(1)(a) is not applicable in Quebec
and chapter vii of Bill 101 ...

>  SP> make it legally possible for about 12,000 English speaking children in
>  SP> this province to be DENIED access to education in their own language
>  SP> schools. (If the parents attempt to obtain their certificate of 
>  SP> eligibility for instruction in English the children are actually
>  SP> "declare' ineligible pour l'instruction en anglaise" !!!!)
> 
>  ???
> 
>  You are misinformed,

No I'm not.

>  My children are now in english shool, I personaly
>  NEVER attended english school but my wife did. 

Was your wife a resident in Quebec before 26th August, 1977?

Was your wife educated in english in Canada?

> All that was required is that she bring a proof that she attended
> at least one full year in  english elementary school when we went
> to register my child.

WRONG!!!!!!!

One must also prove that one of the parents was educated in english IN
CANADA or else was educated in english elsewhere (for most of the first
7 grades - excluding kindergarten) but was a resident of Quebec before
26th August, 1977!!!!!!!!!

People who landed here after 26th August, 1977 (whether they have 
bothered to obtain their Canadian citizenship or not) can NOT send
their children to English schools in Quebec even if they were educated
in English for their entire lives!

If you got your "Certificate of eligibility for instruction in
English" for your child and your wife was not educated in english in Canada
or was educated in english elsewhere but was not a resident of Quebec
before 26th August 1977 - I (and about 10,000 others perhaps) would like
to know where you got it so we can get around this law too! (Email me so
we can all go get our eligibility certificates too! :-) )

> 
>  Perhaps less propaganda and more truth is what we need Hmmm?
> 

Absolutely!!!

Why don't you read sections 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and
Freedoms, paragraph 59 of the Constitution, and chapter viii of Bill 101?

>  SP> Hardly a demonstration of open-mindedness and tolerance! :-(
>  
>  The only demonstration here is your wilingness to believe anything said
>  to you.

Apparently, you are the one who is sadly misinformed.

> As I said, that is simply NOT the case and I have here my child
> as a living proof of that.

It IS the case and if your family has obtained your child's eligibility
certificate illegally perhaps you should keep quiet about it before one
of Quebec's language cops finds out about it and has your child transferred
to a French school!

I think that you have probably not understood the restrictions as they
applied outside of your own families experience. A simple read of the
appropriate legislation should help to straighten things out for you.
I would happy to send you some information on the subject if you would
really like to be accurately informed before speaking on the subject
again.

OK?

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven@spxtech.qc.ca                       |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics
From vn Fri Jan  8 09:43:26 1993
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
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From article <726336901.AA04023@illusion.tpg.org>, by Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles):
> Hello Steve,
> 

Hello.

> 
> Your previous message about Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties said
> 

Don't forget, I said the fact that para 23(1)(a) is not applicable in Quebec
and chapter vii of Bill 101 ...

>  SP> make it legally possible for about 12,000 English speaking children in
>  SP> this province to be DENIED access to education in their own language
>  SP> schools. (If the parents attempt to obtain their certificate of 
>  SP> eligibility for instruction in English the children are actually
>  SP> "declare' ineligible pour l'instruction en anglaise" !!!!)
> 
>  ???
> 
>  You are misinformed,

No I'm not.

>  My children are now in english shool, I personaly
>  NEVER attended english school but my wife did. 

Was your wife a resident in Quebec before 26th August, 1977?

Was your wife educated in english in Canada?

> All that was required is that she bring a proof that she attended
> at least one full year in  english elementary school when we went
> to register my child.

WRONG!!!!!!!

One must also prove that one of the parents was educated in english IN
CANADA or else was educated in english elsewhere (for most of the first
7 grades - excluding kindergarten) but was a resident of Quebec before
26th August, 1977!!!!!!!!!

People who landed here after 26th August, 1977 (whether they have 
bothered to obtain their Canadian citizenship or not) can NOT send
their children to English schools in Quebec even if they were educated
in English for their entire lives!

If you got your "Certificate of eligibility for instruction in
English" for your child and your wife was not educated in english in Canada
or was educated in english elsewhere but was not a resident of Quebec
before 26th August 1977 - I (and about 10,000 others perhaps) would like
to know where you got it so we can get around this law too! (Email me so
we can all go get our eligibility certificates too! :-) )

> 
>  Perhaps less propaganda and more truth is what we need Hmmm?
> 

Absolutely!!!

Why don't you read sections 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and
Freedoms, paragraph 59 of the Constitution, and chapter viii of Bill 101?

>  SP> Hardly a demonstration of open-mindedness and tolerance! :-(
>  
>  The only demonstration here is your wilingness to believe anything said
>  to you.

Apparently, you are the one who is sadly misinformed.

> As I said, that is simply NOT the case and I have here my child
> as a living proof of that.

It IS the case and if your family has obtained your child's eligibility
certificate illegally perhaps you should keep quiet about it before one
of Quebec's language cops finds out about it and has your child transferred
to a French school!

I think that you have probably not understood the restrictions as they
applied outside of your own families experience. A simple read of the
appropriate legislation should help to straighten things out for you.
I would happy to send you some information on the subject if you would
really like to be accurately informed before speaking on the subject
again.

OK?

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