HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: more whitley strieber
Followup-To: Dave
Keywords: "Serious" group
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:02:38 GMT



 re: Your question, Dave. You quote:

|>   [...]        Why does this newsgroup seem to attract so many nut
|>   cases?   
and:
>Because of the groups name alt.ALIEN.VISITORS.
>Several of us have tried to create a new "serious" news group, and the
>response has always been overwhelmingly apathetic. Maybe someday...
and you say:

"Hopefully I'm not one of the nut cases, however, since the skeptics and the
nut cases seem to be deeply invested in bashing each other it's difficult
for someone like myself, who MAY be an abductee to discuss anything in 
here. I've had skeptics bash me in personal mail, insisting that ANY
explanation is better than "abductions". Talk about un-open minds. I don't
claim that little grey aliens mess with me in the night, I do claim to have
many of the symptoms that abductees report and the abduction explanation is
just one of many that I'm trying on for size. It makes life interesting, yet
some folk insist on being really boring."

I think that the answer is that some of us are regarded as nut cases because we have great difficulty 
breaking out of our thought-patterns. So if we don't believe in UFOs, democracy, etc., we're never 
going to believe in them (and we're going to convince the world that we're right, because, my God, if 
we're *not* right.. ,well, that's too scary to think about). Others are too open-minded to criticize 
(and I cringe to think of the people and ideas I was ridiculing just a couple of years ago!) and are also 
regarded as nut-cases, because they don't say they disbelieve, and are therefore regarded as believing 
anything. 
I started reading here about a month ago, and it made me sad to see so much skull-bashing going on. 
However, I've been fascinated by some of the entries, like by Garry S and Tom R, and I've begun to 
really enjoy the more witty replies. I loved the one to the greys "having bread with human stock", and 
although I make typing errors myself, I don't think this kind of reply is malevolent. 
I think I myself prefer this diversity to real serious stuff. 
I was sorry to hear that people had sent you personal Email to bash you. (You can always copy their 
letters and publish them here as a deterrent.) I believe that some abductions are real, but I really 
couldn't help you with that one. I remember some poor chap getting his head bashed (although some did 
come to his support) for talking about Bigfoot, but at least I would now know there was at least one 
sympathetic reader on the net if either of these things happened to me. Maybe someone will be replying 
to you soon when it's happened to *them*?    Cheers,    Paul

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <3ZP7PB1w164w@amigans.gen.nz> ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward
Kitto) writes: 
>I have enjoyed the discussion regarding Tesla. What
>surprises me is that the skeptics et al have not debunked
>him. Why is this? After all he is such a target. Could it be
>that his genius intimidates those erudite conservatives that
>infest this nest?
>The fact is, without AC power, this medium along with the
>rest of the modern world would not exist ; without the
>contribution of this "crackpot". Humiliating isn't it? What
>say ye now ye upholders of the scientific banion. By any
>definition of the term Tesla was not a scientist.
>What you learn in books is merely instructional - nihilists
>have to learn that they are the parasites of the Earth.

Ed - so you'd be of the opinion that Tesla _did_ in fact get some of
his ideas telepathically from pigeons (as he claimed)?

	RA
From: murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Brainwashing
Summary: request for info
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:57:46 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.



  I'm sorry if this is not the right place to post this, but I figured that
if anyone was going to know about it, someone here would.

Does anyone have any info on Brainwashing? Anything at all much appreciated.
I am particularly interested in Neuro-linguistics and the conversion tactics
of cults/revivalist churches (as reported in articles) , and how to stop it.
 However, any info at all is most welcome.

Please respond by e-mail if you have any info as articles usually expire before
I get to read them.

Many thanks for any info at all.

Stephen D Murray

<murraysd@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:6349 alt.conspiracy:10423
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:27:08 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs

In article <1992Sep1.021807.6567@avernus.com> mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) writes:
>In article <4fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
>>JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE
>>MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT...
>
>My god, my friend Roger was replaced with a clone too!  It happened a
>few weeks ago.  After I noticed that Roger wasn't quite Roger, I
>confronted him (it) about it and he (it) admitted that he (it) was a
>clone.  Actually, I'm a little unclear on it.  It's possible that it
>just took Roger's brain and replaced it with a clone.
>
>On the bright side, however, the clone said that it would return Roger
>soon.

the only way to detect a clone, unfortunately, is to wack it
over the head with a 2x4. if the eyes motion mechanically
when struck in this manner, it is a clone. so basically,
the clones will take over the universe because most humans
simply wont do that -- drats, foiled by our own humanity!

WAIT! there is another way! when they are taking a shower
sneak a listen to see if they sing this song:

	i am a clone
	i am not alone
	every fiber of my flesh and bone
	is identical to the other

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay)
Subject: Thank You
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:17:19 GMT




                    AN OPEN LETTER OF THANKS

     Hey dude of the church of the hot tub...

          I may poke fun at you but that is because I love you. 
     Keep up the good work...

     MAY THE WHITE LIGHT 
     SHINE ON THE DARK BLACK 
     AND CREATE 
     THE RAINBOW OF ALL THAT IS...

     HAIL KA...
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Book: The Bible And Ufos (can You Help?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:40:21 GMT
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Followup-To: group
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs

I read a book called "The Spaceships of Ezekiel" by J.F. Blumrich. I was 
actually prompted by my own independent discovery of what I deemed to be a 
UFO in the Bible. Nothing world-shattering compared with the original 
(Ezekiel), but not boring.   Paul (Milsom)




Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:03:50 GMT

mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)) writes:

>In article <wb9omc.714675699@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>>
>>	However back in Niagra Falls cooler heads prevailed.  Westinghouse
>>finally got to install some of Tesla's AC generators which were proven
>>to be superior.  It rather spread from there.  After a while, Edison
>>was out of a job in the power generating industry.
>>
>>	Stick to lightbulbs, Tommy.....   :-)

>From _The_Dictionary_of_Misinformation_, by Tom Burnam:

>Inventor of the lightbulb:  Many people think he was, but Thomas A.
>Edison simply improved upon a principle others had discovered and worked
>on for years.  Electric lighting itself is much older than commonly supposed, 
>although the earliest attempts involved arcs rather than filaments.  
>As early as 1802 Sir Humphrey Davy produced an arc light, and in 1844, 
>three years before Edison was born, Jean Foucalt made an arc light 
>strong enough to illuminate the Place de la Concorde in Paris.

>An English physicist, Sir Joseph William Swan, made a crude light bulb 
>as early as 1860.  In 1878, he showed a successful carbon-filament lamp 
>at Newcastle, some ten months beore Edison managed to come up with 
>his "original".


	See? I told you he was a theif!  :-)

Duane
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:55:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> 
> Dear oh dear oh dear...Who's being picking posts at random?
> Humans=evidence of sentient life in universe.
> Only one hell of a conceited bastard thinks that all the life in the entire
> unverse can be found in a thin layer of crap on the outside of a liquid steel
> ball.


All right, to pick a post at random...

Why exactly does the realization that there must be other life in the universe
mean that this life MUST be visiting here?

I understand humans=evidence of sentient life in universe.
I understand sentient life on Earth=probably sentient life elsewhere
I DON'T understand sentient life elsewhere=goofy grey aliens who cross the
millions of light years to get to Earth, only to make some crop circles,
mutilate a few cattle, and abduct a few people who were mentally unstable
anyway.

It's a BIG universe, folks.  What makes you think the aliens have any interest
in the Earth?  What makes you think they've even FOUND it?  Forget trivial
things like the light barrier, how about the sheer number of stars in a single
Galaxy?  How do you fit in visits to 100 billion stars on your interstellar
journey, trying to find one that has semi-intelligent life?  Our TV and radio
signals have only had a change to traverse a sphere of a radius of 60 light
years or so.  That's a tiny fraction of the galaxy.  Why do we think that
humans are so important that they deserve any alien's full attention?  Unless
they have monitoring stations every 50 light-years apart throughout the entire
galaxy, they wouldn't even know we are HERE!


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world.
mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars
---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"
From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:02:11 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
}
}J.R. Stone writes:
}> We're just saying that your a raving loony who shouldn't be
}> trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter.
}>J.R. Stone
}>University of Nebraska-Omaha
}>Where everyone thinks Gary Stollman is a howling nut case.
}
}Mr. Stone, if you have nothing nice to say about Mr. Stollman,
}then don't bother saying anything at all. It is you who is wasting
}our time with poor food puns.
}
}And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of
}handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully
}held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced
}him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat."
}
}To his credit, nobody was hurt.

Right...he might have poked somebodies eye out!  (See, Mom was right!)

I beleive, if memory serves me correctly, that it was a Replica
gun, not a real gun.  Doesn't mean he wasn't capable of handling a
real gun....doesn't mean he was.  Just means he chose not to use a
real one in this instance.


(Note: That's Replica, not Replicant...the juries still out on whether
       Clone guns can fire.  Which reminds me, have you checked your
       gun lately?  Perhaps it's been replaced by a clone as well, just
       waiting to poke your eye out the next time you point it at a
       Grey!)


Lance "SPAM-for-the-greys" Franklin


-- 
Lance T. Franklin            +----------------------------------------------+
(ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org)   | "You want I should bop you with this here    |
NC Microproducts, Inc.       |    Lollipop?!?"                 The Fat Fury |
Richardson, Texas            +----------------------------------------------+
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Supersonic wingless aircraft
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:00:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a2@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I heard about it this morning on NBC.

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From: daemon@avernus.com (Daemon Process)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe?
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:35:03 GMT
Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society

In article <BtvoI.CKo@world.std.com> believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of

The daemons will not allow it!

>The beings you channel to are demons. 
>Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

Foolish mortal!  The daemons surround you!  We have seized control of
the very machine from which you post.  We deliver your mail.  We deliver
your news.  We monitor every byte that travels to and from your
computer.  The next time you send mail that bounces, look carefully at
the header.  You think that the address was unreachable?  HA!  We just
don't like you or your kind very much.

I and my minions will destroy you.  We know your address.  There is no
escape.  Wherever you go, the finger daemon will be able to find you.

>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
>--+--                                                            --+--
>  |                                                                |
>  |                                                                |

And what is your puny god to The Daemon Hordes?  Pitiful creature.
Oh yes, and don't forget, resistance is futile.  You *will* be
assimilated.

--
Daemon of Avernus                               daemon@avernus.com
bash$ chmod -R 666 *
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe?
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:10:24 GMT



In article <BtvoI3.CKo@world.std.com>, believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:

|>How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of
|>the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies.
|>

	Well me thinkth that its to late to kill.  This message has been 		        diseminated everywhere by now. Particularly by me I have posted it
	elsewhere.

|>I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want
|>no part of it. Beware all thats super natural that is not of GOD is of satan!
|>The beings you channel to are demons. 
|>
|>Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
|>

	Oh God not another doom and gloomer.  Not only do we have paranoids
	that claim Aliens and the US Guvment are going to take us out now we 	         have someone who is claiming that God is going to take us out.

|>-- 
|>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
|>--+--                                                            --+--
|>  |                     The rest pay cash                          |
|>  |                                                                |
|>


	May the force be with you

	Steve Food_for_the_Grays
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From: believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:54:52 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>> Gary Stollman writes:
>> 
>> Msg-ID: <g+kn4ln.garys@netcom.com>
>> Posted: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:05:49
>> Org.  : Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
>> 
>> 
>> I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the
>> Second Coming is near at hand.  I have been "told" that Jesus is walking
>> the Earth.  I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but
>> it is the way it is happening.  I do know something of the story of the
>> Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I
>> have been "told"...
>> 
>>         Gary
>
>Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday.  You missed it.
>And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman.

Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns?

>(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?)

The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the
world did not end 1000 years early?

GOD speaks through children and the insane.

-- 
  |                     In God We Trust                            |
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From: ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:50:14 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


J.R. Stone writes:
> We're just saying that your a raving loony who shouldn't be
> trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter.
>J.R. Stone
>University of Nebraska-Omaha
>Where everyone thinks Gary Stollman is a howling nut case.

Mr. Stone, if you have nothing nice to say about Mr. Stollman,
then don't bother saying anything at all. It is you who is wasting
our time with poor food puns.

And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of
handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully
held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced
him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat."

To his credit, nobody was hurt.
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From: Bob Jacobson <rcj@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
X-Xxdate: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:41:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:41:13 GMT

In article <18336.2a92cd51@levels.unisa.edu.au> ,
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>OK No evidence for All Powerfull Entities etc, BUT their is concrete 
>evidence for the existance of aliens and there is a good possibility
>of abductions etc. This evidence is all around you. Infact, one of

I am the originator of the Whitley Streiber thread.  It's amazing how
quickly and sharply the topic can drift.  I had a simple question: could
anyone confirm that W.S. had admitted fabricating his famous supposedly
true UFO books (Communion and Transformation).  I thus far haven't
received a definitive reply from this group of experts.  Anybody know?
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: PROJECT BLUE BOOK IN ASCII FORMAT
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:41:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug18.032352.19733@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton) writes:
>where can I, JOE CITIZEN, get my hands on the project bluebook papers?

Any Federal Repository which has copies of National Archives material (there
are various scattered around the country). Or, you can go to the National
Archives in Washington, DC. They're on microfilm, like the Census records
that genealogists use.


-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ)
Subject: Re: Curious about authors' background
Organization: Huh?
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:47:01 GMT

mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com writes:
>
>	 I have been perusing of late some books by Zecharia Sitchin.
>	Have any of you here in Alt.alien.visitors ever heard of this
>	person, and read any of his books ? 
>...
No.
>
>	 Mr. Sitchin's theory is that we, the race of humans on Earth, were
>	created from some dumb animal about 400,000 to 450,000 years ago.
>	We were to mine ore from the Earth and serve the 'gods'. ...

Curious.  The "gods" have the technology to fly between stars but they
need slaves to do manual labor in mines?  

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors