HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: NEW BIKE
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:00:35 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <101757@netnews.upenn.edu> ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) writes:
>
>Congrats, Jerry!  BTW did you order it from one of the local dealers? (Media,
>Eagle, Norristown, Langhorne, . . .)?
>

Yes, Hannum's in Media, PA.  Very friendly and they will negotiate in winter.
They have more bikes on order but alot are already spoken for.  They say, as
most shops do, put your order in before January.  No doubt there will be some
people who will want off the list but prices will be back up in the spring.

You can talk to a dealer about the factory ride-out plan.  Not many know about
it but it's an 800 call for them (sorry don't know the number).  The dealer
does all the paperwork and you pick up the bike at the plant in York.  No
shipping or prep charges.  Plus it's kinda neat.

- Jerry
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU (DORMONT WILLIAM  M)
Subject: Unleaded conversions (Shovelhead)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:32:04 GMT

I heard from a guy recently that the valve seats in a shovel could be
hardened by heat-treating them (in the head). Is this advisable?
I need to convert mine so I can run unleaded.  Is it expensive to
get the seats replaced? What are good valves/guides to use?
 
                       Denny Powers
                       dennyp@exabyte.com
'79 FXE still in pieces
 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: igregory@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ivan.w.gregory)
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:48:51 GMT

In article <Af=qVnm00Voh9HjF1s@andrew.cmu.edu> John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Eddie writes>>
>In article <Uf=ATpe00WAE00fUcX@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu
>(John Makel) writes:
>>Re: The DOH ROSTER my favorite number has always been  13...........
>>
>
>Hey!!!!! I've got that one already!!!!! (wanna buy it???)
>
>(try 666 John...............)
>
>Eddie Kieger, doh #0000000013
>DOD # 291743377 <- ask me about THIS one!!!!
>
>Eddie,  I have had the number 13 in more ways than you can imagine, and for
>over 27 years, I thought that some of the older riders would relate to
>it a little
>differently as there was and is a 2nd meaning, hey John Stafford, Ed Campbell
>andJim Groh do you know what I mean? 666 is another interesting one to though
>hey Ken, put my order in for that one for XMAS OK? Hey Eddie how did you
>get that crazy
>DOD#?
>
>
>
>						john...
>
>16F				#13 or #666 HO HO!!!!! >47Indian
>78FX
>80FXB
>91FXRS
>92FLHTC
>HOG
>AMA 
>ABATE				

Hey John!

I already requested DOH #0000000666 and am waiting for a formal reply from
the KOTHL before using it in my sig.  Wanna buy it?

Ivan ...'91 FXR  (DOH #0000000666 pending)
From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Subject: Thunderheader
Keywords: exhaust
  
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:27:08 GMT

I was looking thru a bike rag (don't remember which one) the other day
and saw a sporty with a nice looking 2-into-1 exhaust.  As most 2-into-1's
have a sort of an "imported" (read: ugly) look,  this one caught my eye. 
It was a _Rich_Products_Thunderheader_. Anyone out there have any experience
with _Rich_Products_?  Is this exhaust worth pursuing?
 
Jim Combs
'91 XLH 1200
From: jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Makel)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:10:50 GMT
	<08yb02Uk2fSt01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
	<Af=qVnm00Voh9HjF1s@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Eddie writes>>
In article <Uf=ATpe00WAE00fUcX@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu
(John Makel) writes:
>Re: The DOH ROSTER my favorite number has always been  13...........
>

Hey!!!!! I've got that one already!!!!! (wanna buy it???)

(try 666 John...............)

Eddie Kieger, doh #0000000013
DOD # 291743377 <- ask me about THIS one!!!!

Eddie,  I have had the number 13 in more ways than you can imagine, and for
over 27 years, I thought that some of the older riders would relate to
it a little
differently as there was and is a 2nd meaning, hey John Stafford, Ed Campbell
andJim Groh do you know what I mean? 666 is another interesting one to though
hey Ken, put my order in for that one for XMAS OK? Hey Eddie how did you
get that crazy
DOD#?



						john...


16F
47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: rerouting oil supply line to heads
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:37:33 GMT

|>Ed's joking.  (or obsessive?)  Never have I done this and never
|>have I found any significant wear in the rocker arms of any
|>Harley I've owned ('56, 73, 78 big twins)
|>
|>End-play, yea but never in the rocker shaft diameters.
|>


     No, this is a true thing. The rocker arms don't get much
wear from slow oil supply on startup because the bronze bushings
tend to hold oil for a while. The valves and guides are a different
story. Another thing about the split oil line, the oil to the front
head arrives cooler. This means the valves run cooler, the oil is
a little thicker so less gets by the valve guides and makes a little
less carbon to strip off at rebuild time.

    At least, that's what the "experts" say. There's probably something
to it, the last 20 kmiles or so on a shovel, the owner had to swap
the plugs every couple of weeks because the front one would carbon
foul and the rear cylinder would burn it clean again.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Date: 11 Dec 92 02:51:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association

In article <22783@drutx.ATT.COM> car377@druhi.ATT.COM (RogersC) writes:
+In article <1992Dec8.160429.18645@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
+> Let the history books show I was the first.
+>  
+> Hi I'm kinda new to this group could someone tell me what doh stands for
+> and how does one go about getting a number?
+>  
+
+Duly recorded, and here is The Expected Response (tm):
+
+We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you.

WRONG!  That is the dod expected response.  The doh expected response is:
We could tell you, but then we'd make you ride a Honda!
____________________________________________________________________________
There are three types of people in the world.  There are those that are
good at math and there are those that aren't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Unleaded conversions (Shovelhead)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:48:26 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec18.005510.10727@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
(Ed Campbell) writes:
>     Hardening requires the steel to be heated to a cherry red all
>the way through followed by rapid chilling to below 200 degrees F.

Not necessarily.  There are surface-hardening techniques that
heat only a thin layer of material.  The most likely
candidate for hardening valve seats would be induction
hardening, which induces magnetic fields and thus eddy
currents in the metal by using a high-current radio
frequency coil.

>To get the hardness needed to withstand the
>paint thinner they are now calling gas (I have heard) they are using
>a different alloy, so it would be better to change them anyway.

Probably true.  The usual recommendation has been to
fix 'em when they need it, not before.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Unleaded conversions (Shovelhead)
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:15:38 GMT

--

In article <dennyp.724548724@exabyte.com>, dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU (DORMONT
WILLIAM  M) writes:

|>I heard from a guy recently that the valve seats in a shovel could be
|>hardened by heat-treating them (in the head). Is this advisable?
|>I need to convert mine so I can run unleaded.  Is it expensive to
|>get the seats replaced? What are good valves/guides to use?
|> 
|>                       Denny Powers
|>                       dennyp@exabyte.com
|>'79 FXE still in pieces

Your '79 FXE already has hardened valve seats, right from the factory.

I have never heard of heat treating alloy steel valve seats inside an
aluminum head.  It does not seem possible.

You may need new seats if you don't have enough left to grind for
this valve job. New seats are going for $50/hole or $200/set in my
area (Mass).

Valve and guide choice depends on the application and your riding
style. If it's a stocker and you ride conservatively, stay with the
stock steel valves and cast iron guides with seals. They will last
longer. If you ride hard in hot weather and your motor is hyped
then the extra cost for stainless steel valves and bronze guides
is warranted. If you ride very hard then omitting the valve seals will
increase guide life. The engine will not smoke.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:48:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com>,
meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.185943.27163@spdc.ti.com>
>serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>>>
>>>Is it really legal, or just tolerated?  My understanding is that it
>is NOT
>>>legal, but the authorities tolerate it.  Somebody have any actual
>code 
>>>references that they can site.
>>
>>It is in fact legal in California. 
>
>There must be an FAQ on this somewhere, but let me expand on this from
>how I understand it.  
>
>It is not legal.  It is also not illegal. So Mike is right, it is just

Wait a minute. I always thought that if something is NOT ILLEGAL, than 
it was legal. Isn't the definition of illegal that a practice is against 
a LAW or STATUTE (sp?)?  If lane sharing is TOLERATED, it must be because 
it is LEGAL, and an officer with a bee up his bonnet to screw lane-sharers 
has to find some other offense to write the ticket for right?

Nothing can be both illegal AND legal, and conversely, nothing can be 
neither legal or illegal.

The union of the two sets is infinity, and the intersection is the 
null set (sorry, I couldn't help it, my techie-nerd-engineer-spew 
leaked out :-)

Think about this, how often (at least in recent history) has a 
government made a law where they declare something LEGAL?? The 
closest I have seen were laws which remove other laws which made 
a certain act illegal. Kinda like a double negation......

Later, Eddie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Evo's and Synthetic Oil
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:09:38 GMT

|
>|    This applies to all engines with rollerbearing crankshafts, if
>|too much regular oil will cause this problem, so will oil that is
>|too slippery!
>
>This puzzles me.  What's the point in separating the engine oil from
>the transmission and clutch, if you can't use the slipperiest oil
>anyway?  This is a serious question, not a bash.

   It keeps the dust worn from the clutch lining out of the oil
filter and the metal shavings (if the rider botches a shift) out
of the engine. 


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


==============================================================
 "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
                   W. C. Fields
**************************************************************



From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:18:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Question for Randy/Fatboy Question
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / edp@sneaks.kodak.com (Ed Pendzik -- Sun Consulting) /  2:02 pm  Dec  7, 1992 /

Omigosh, randy, you win! You have more name calling posts than me!
Thanks for the comments, keep up the good work.

	Regards,
	Ed Pendzik
----------
I think he won a meaningless victory in that category. A ZX-11 pilot
in this newsgroup is either a glutton for punishment or has bigger
balls than most Harley riders. :-) Since Randy likes the HD Fatboy
he's not *that* bad, right? Wait, we have netters here who take
a dim view of Evolution Harleys (RUBs) so he's not off the hook yet.
The PC Harley of choice would be the Shovelhead which is a compromise 
between the earlier variants and current models. Yes, moto-lust for
a Shovelhead would be quite proper....aww, who cares what others
think...just as long as you're in the wind is what it's all about.

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
'Has anyone *ever* seen a tattoo for another marque besides Harley?'
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: THE DOH ROSTER
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:57:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Af=qVnm00Voh9HjF1s@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu
(John Makel) writes:
>Eddie writes>>
>In article <Uf=ATpe00WAE00fUcX@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu
>(John Makel) writes:
>>Re: The DOH ROSTER my favorite number has always been  13...........
>>
>
>Hey!!!!! I've got that one already!!!!! (wanna buy it???)
>
>(try 666 John...............)
>
>Eddie Kieger, doh #0000000013
>DOD # 291743377 <- ask me about THIS one!!!!
>
>Eddie,  I have had the number 13 in more ways than you can imagine, and
>for
>over 27 years, I thought that some of the older riders would relate to
>it a little
>differently as there was and is a 2nd meaning, hey John Stafford, Ed
>Campbell
>andJim Groh do you know what I mean? 666 is another interesting one to
>though
>hey Ken, put my order in for that one for XMAS OK? Hey Eddie how did
>you
>get that crazy
>DOD#?

I was hopin' you would ask.......

Notice the capital "o"...... That's Department Of Defense.

DoD number? I don' need no steenkin' rec.mc......er..... DoD number.

>
>
>						john...
>
>16F				#13 or #666 HO HO!!!!!
>47Indian
>78FX
>80FXB
>91FXRS
>92FLHTC
>HOG
>AMA 
>ABATE				


Later, Eddie
86FXSTC
68BlondeOlLady
84Colt45
91ColtSporter
90Mossberg590
88AMT380
92S&W5906
doh# 0000000013
HOG # 0066058
ABATE# 4673 GC (calif)
NRA # AFC8264B
IEEE # 0235507
IQ# 00000000.0
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:36:55 GMT

In article <carlp.724570390@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>Oh, I think Ken's doing just fine at (not) keeping a list.  I will
>assume this dubious honor only upon request from Ken, who must provide
>me with a list of the already-issued numbers, lest I re-issue and

do you believe that santa is keeping a list and checking it twice?

no one has even asked me what doh stand for yet... presumptious lot
you are!

>further annoy the gods of r.m.harley, who already have churning
>stomachs from this not-the-DoD parody-of-a-parody not-a-not-a-club.

please dont churn further, the curds get all rubbery.

     -ken
-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<carlp.724103077@frigg>
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:13:18

In article <foo> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
   Oh, Hell, Ken - I guess I'll take doh #0000001340.  I was gonna ignore
   this and hope it went away, but if everybody's gonna get one, I might
   as well get a GOOD one while there's some left.

Oh, hey, better snap 'em up -- there're only 100 billion numbers to choose
from, and they're going *FAST*!

At the current rate, everyone (and I *do* mean *everyone*!) can have 16 or 17 
of 'em.

phd #9999999999
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
From: smorrow@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Morrow)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:41:55 GMT
Subject: Re: POW/MIA T-shirts
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley

       >Dose anyone know where people can get a POW/MIA shirt?
       >CBS (408) 276-4186

  Try contacting your local chapter of Vietnam Veterans of America; they 
  should be able to steer you in the right direction.

  Steve Morrow
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:22:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Since I'm about ready to start looking for a FXRS-Con to replace my 
Nighthawk, I'd like doh #000000750.

Since my CB750 is just over 1 year old and just under 10K miles, and 
it has developed a leaky shift seal, leaky base gasket and has the 
comfort of a sportbike, I feel qualified to own a doh number.

Of course, I'll probably keep the CB so my brother has something 
to ride until he gets out of school and can afford the Fat Boy that
he's always wanted...


Carl Paukstis:
> Sure, drop on by.  If you can get here across the black ice, I can let
> you ride Bill for a while.  I've been meaning to do the Marvel Mystery
> Oil cylinder treatment and remove the battery and put him in the
> neighbor's garage for the winter, but I won't have it done by
> tomorrow.

Carl - do you think maybe you could ride Bill over here to the Seattle
area before you do this, then let Shannon and I try him out so she can
see what I'm looking forward to so much?  It's a good excuse to ride, 
right?

And riding through snow and ice to propogate your Harley love would 
be very politically correct.   Of course, I would ride over to Spokie 
but I'm not sure the Honda would hold up in the cold weather.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
            Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA
       '91 Nighthawk CB750 - DoD #393, doh #000000750, AMA, VME
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I had no shoes and I pitied myself. Then I met a man who had no feet,
                so I took his shoes."   -- Dave Barry
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Retail prices of '93 sportsters
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:34:53 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <_6l2kcc@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>Does anybody out there have a list of the M.S.R.P's of the 
>'93 sportster line? 
>I know there was big price increase in the bare bones 883, but i figured
>the reason was it now came with a belt.


One of my co-workers here at CompuTrac (who bought a Seca II back in August,
put 1000 miles on it and now hates it) just paid in advance for a 1994
XLH-1200 , scheduled to be delivered in early Sept. '93. The price was
$7295.00 plus TTL, and misc dealer prep charges.

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Harley Golf Cart
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hell, the biggest dealer in the Cleveland area sells HD golf carts 
too. It's a legacy from the AMF days (ya know, the "sport & 
leisure company"). I think they combined the AMF golfcart mfg. with the 
HD stuff cause they are similar types of products (PLEASE don't flame 
me on this guys, from an engineering standpoint it IS true - they 
are both vehicles.....at least they don't make bowling balls in the 
Milwaukee engine plant....... :-)

Later, Eddie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Evo's and Synthetic Oil
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:31:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.205426.2912@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
|
|    This applies to all engines with rollerbearing crankshafts, if
|too much regular oil will cause this problem, so will oil that is
|too slippery!

This puzzles me.  What's the point in separating the engine oil from
the transmission and clutch, if you can't use the slipperiest oil
anyway?  This is a serious question, not a bash.

			Dave Svoboda
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Re: Retail prices of '93 sportsters
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:26:42 GMT

Does anybody out there have a list of the M.S.R.P's of the 
>'93 sportster line? 

I put a deposit on a '93 XLH1200 about 10 weeks ago.  Still waiting.

The MSRP for the Sportster line:

     XLH1200 2-tone color          : $6995
       "     solid, non-black color: $6775
       "     Black                 : $6695

     XLH883 Standard               : $4850
     XLH883 Hugger                 : $5695 or $5895 
     XLH883 Deluxe                 : $5995 (?)

These prices are from Harley-Davidson of Baltimore.  They also added
$121 Freight, and $140 Dealer Setup (3 hours labor).

The Hugger is the same bike as a Standard except for 1" lower seat, 1-1/2"
shorter shocks and forks, buckhorn handlebars, 4 cm longer front brake
hose, turn signals mounted on lever perches.

-Tim Seiss
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