From: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Jeffrey Vandyke)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: permobil
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org
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Index Number: 25771

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

PN>     Don't know about the problem happening in shipping, but the Max and Supe
PN>  weigh the just about the same. 108kg for the Max and 115kg for the Super
PN> which works out to about 253lbs. for both. And the breakdown time was really
PN> inconsistant also I would guess that if a fracture occured in shipping it
PN> would show up relatively soon after delivery. Some of the breaks occured
PN> almost 2years later.

  Is that the weight without batteries?

  The breakdown time could still be the same cause I pointed out,
as it could weaken the case and cause premature metal fatigue.

PN> JV> I have no idea. There's almost no waiting period at my local
PN> JV> dealer. They're selling them like hotcakes.
PN>     What do mean by selling them, it's easy to sell, but when do they delive
PN>  the chair to you. Permobil sets a 3 - 4 month delivery time.

  I think that's about what it is, here, but that's not really
bad. I remember when 6 months to a year was NORMAL.

PN>    That's intresting about the Fortress. Here's something about the Fortress
PN>that just may intrest you. You can get any of the seating systems for the
PN>Permobil for the Fortress. They fit the Fortress base and several dealers are
PN>doing that.

  Now, I haven't heard that. I have a Fortress base that has a
Labac seat (that was subsequently heavily modified) and does not
use the standard Fortress mounting method. Sure wish I knew if I
could put the Permobile seat on it? Wanna find out for me?
Please?

PN>    The length of the Max is 42" and the Super is 45.5 the widths are the sam
PN>  but the tire sizes differ. the Max has fronts of 3" x 8" while the Super ha
PN>  3" x 10".

  I'll bet that's wheel size, not tire size, right? Otherwise,
the Chairman has bigger tires than both of them, and I know
that's not true! <g> The rear tires on it are little tiny things,
too.

PN>     Jeff if your looking at Permobil's literature and there standard 90 seri
PN>  catalog, the ones that are pictured have lots of the options. The Max with
PN>standard seat has the lights package and moveable legrests. The Super has the
PN>lights package (which was standard on that model) and the leg and backlift.
PN>Because of the options on those chairs they have the type of controll box tha
PN>I have. Now if the Max was stripped down and had just a standard seat and no
PN>lights or legrest they just put on the "heavy duty Joystick" That's the way
PN>the one I originally tried out at the dealers was set up. I gave you the layo
PN>for mine in another post.

  Well, I've seen the pics and a few of the chairs. I've seen
ones with lights with the E&J-type controls, so I'm beginning to
believe they can order them both ways if they really want to.

PN>      Permobile requires that to be accepted as a dealer you must take their
PN>training course. I am in constant contact with them also. In fact more than
PN>I would like to be. Heck I know every one of the techincians there by first
PN>name and they know me by voice, let alone having to give my name.

  That doesn't give me hope. It's like the hospital: if the
nurses know you by your voice, then you've been sick way too
much!

PN> PN>  The only thing I'm not sure if they changed on the chairman is the horn
PN> PN>On the Max they use a small European car horn. It is one of the better ch
PN> PN>horns I've come across.
PN> PN>                                     Pandora
PN> JV> The Europeans put real horns on chairs (except the Chairman),

PN>     What did they do on the Chairman?

  If I remember, it's just a little buzzer like the American
companies use. Please don't hold me to this particular
observation, though, because I've seen so many chairs lately that
they're starting to get mixed up in my head!

PN>     Yeah I've heard those American horn wheezes. What's great about the Max
PN>  horn is that the Max is really quiet when it is running and you can sneak u
PN>  behind a bunch of jerks standing around talking and blocking the way and th
PN>  hit that horn and watch them jump.
PN>                                        Pandora

  OK, you ARE a meanie! Sneakin' up on people and such!

-- Jeff

 * SLMR 2.1a * Member, Off-Road Wheelchair Association

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