From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
Subject: Re: "Free elections" indeed
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:06:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.020302.3561@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.233941.13499@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
>> 
>>>	For the 1984 abuses: any America's Watch or Amnesty international. 
>>>Also news reports from the time document:
>>>
>>>	Arrest of opposition leaders.
>>>	Violent assualts on opposition rallies.
>>>	Sandanista death squads killing vocal opposition leaders.
>>>	Sandanista take over/shut down of opposition press.
>>>	Revokation of ration cards to opposition members.
>>>	Wide spread round up of potential adversaries, many of whom have never
>>>been seen since.
>> 
>> Brett this is a falshood. I do not know about americas watch but
>> I KNOW Amnesty International had NOTHING NEGATIVE to say about the election.
>
>	Well, that's one way of splitting hairs.  Sure the "election" can be
>held without someone gettin killed in a voting place, but what we're talking
>about is a consistent application of force against the opposition in the weeks
>leading up to the elections.
>

>> the opposition newspaper for a matter of months. These are the
>> LIMIT of what they did and are quite understandable (though not
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^
>> commendable) considering they were undergoing a foreign backed
   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>> terrorist insurgency on their own soil. US canadians committed far
>
>	Wait, shutting down the opposition press and exiling priests is ok
>"because there's a war on"?
>	Hmmmm.

READ THE POST!!! do you know the difference between the words UNDERSTANDABLE
and COMMENDABLE Dan Quayle?

>> worse acts during the two world wars (rigged elections,mass internment
>> of Japanese) which were fought on foreign soil.
>>   what bothers me is that if it was not for the few of us who 
>> know something about these issues there would be no stopping these
>> lies. I used to work for a Canadian member of parliament maintaining
>> a news clippings bulletin on Central America to keep his caucus informed.
>> It was depressing to see how easily lies are spread and how muzzled the
>> truth is on Central America. Chomsky seems to have it right and
>> is a breath of fresh air. Alexander and Leslie Cockburn similarly.
>
>	Well, politcal televangelists have their converts.  Are you denying
>that the Sandanistas killed anyone in the opposition parties in the weeks
>leading up to the elections?  Arrested none of them?  That Sandanista death
>squads didn't massacre the teenagers of a village that supported the contras?
>

in a word YES these are all LIES! 
these DID NOT HAPPEN!
I have had more debates on this issue than you can imagine,several of them
in official forums and EVERY time I have been able to show that such
statements are propoganda LIES that can not be backed up. 
As soon as I say "find some documentation from an unbioused scource"
Something like the Globe and Mail since we are in Canada here they
are all humming and hawing.

>> somehow these viewpoints have been suppressed by the conservative 
>> american newsmedia (when was the last time you saw Noam Chomsky
>> interviewed on CNN CBS ABC or NBC?)
>
>	*Conservative* media?  Well, I suppose it is compared to the old
>PRAVDA.

yes the american media is conservative, almost as conservative as the 
old pravda I am actually comparing it to the Canadian German french
and british medias since those are the only ones I am familiar with.
(The canadian one most of all). The CBC National Journal is considered middle
of the road and is a SEACHANGE to the left of the Mcniel Lehr newshour.

>Brett                                                      
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ALEX