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From: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: SB Pro CD upgrade vs.
Date: 27 Sep 92 09:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

JD>>Could a Sony CDU-535 owner answer this question for me:
JD>>
JD>>Does it co-exist, and work with a Sound Blaster Pro card? I.E. are
JD>>there any interrupt or I/O address conflicts between the SB Pro
JD>>and the Sony-BUS interface card?
JD>I do not have the CDU-535, but I replaced a "old" Sony, CDU-531,
JD>with the upgrade.  This used the Sony buss. I had them both work, but
JD>the CD did not use any interrupts.

There is very little difference between the CDU-531 and the CDU-535;
a small speed advantage and better dust protection on the newer model.
Most people can not tell the difference without looking at the lights
on the front of the unit.

There are no conflicts in the two items above. Port addresses can 
conflict with Network cards, but one or the other can be changed.
Most proprietary cards do not use an IRQ.
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From: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.periphs
Subject: Re: "Erasable" CD-ROMs
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:00:31 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:

:One or two years ago I read that Sony was rumored to be announcing
:a "erasable" CD-ROM (I know thats a misnomer), that is one that
:you could write on many times and then read with a normal CD-ROM
:drive.  This sounds great, and I can see a huge market for such
:devices, especially if they can get the price to below about $1000.
:(I can think of a lot of different ways to use such a device.)
:However, that was one or two years ago, and I haven't heard of
:such a beast again.  Is Sony or anyone working on one?  When are we
:likely to be able to buy one?  How useful do y'all think it would be?

It has been on the market for QUITE some time, and in several
different implementations (SONY's is just one, another is made
and sold by Maxtor).  We have been using some for a couple of
years, for example for semi-permanent archiving of Usenet news
as they expire, but are currently very unsatisfied.  At first
they performed acceptably, except that they were VERY slow, even
slower than normal CD-ROM's; in less than two years, however,
their reliability has gone to pieces.  It's now about even money
whether all data are recoverable from each give face!  This is
of course totally unacceptable for 'archival' media.

I don't know if the reliability has moved by giant steps in the
course of the last two years or so, but we for one are NOT at
all interested in playing guineapigs any more on this technology.
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From: scohen@cup.portal.com (Seth D Cohen)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Sony CD Rom
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 12:43:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

I need some help!

  At a recent computer flea-market, there was a company selling
Sony CD-Rom drives that "supposedly" had a SCSI interface.
The price was right (or so I thought) so I bought one, intending
to put it in an external box to connect to my current SCSI host
adapter.  Much to my chagrin, when I got it home and checked, it had
a 40 pin connector on the drive rather than the 50 pin one I was 
expecting.

  After numerous phone calls and a large run-around, I found out
that the drive had a proprietary SCSI interface.  I have been unable to 
locate the merchant that sold me the drive, Sony told me to contact
Cables To Go because they make the cables for Sony, and Cables To Go
said that they can't make the cable for me because it is a proprietary
Sony interface.

  So now the real question.  Other than telling me that I got taken,
(I already know that!!) what are my options?  Do I just need a 
cable to go from the 40 pin connector to a 50 pin connector or
is there more involved?  Is anybody familiar with the Sony 
CDU 535 drive?  How non-standard is Sony's SCSI interface?

  Thanks for any help you can give me!

  Seth Cohen  scohen@cup.portal.com
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From: warnock@Hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov (Archie Warnock)
Subject: Re: Version Number in ISO Formatted CDROM (sorry, long) (fwd)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:18:30 GMT

shaun%marble%octela@UUNET.UU.NET ("", Attacking Deep Structure) writes:
>I want to press a CD ROM that will be readable on Macs, Vaxen running VMS,
>and MSDOS and Unix machines, although the primary focus will be DOS/Unix
>machines.  Should I include version numbers or not?  Is it even possible
>to name the files so that they will accessible under both MS-DOS and VMS?

<Personal opinion only, derived from experience...>
The answer is... it depends.  Let's take things one at a time.  Yes, the
disk should be mastered with file versions.  The files will be
accessible to all ISO-9660 drivers that way.  Whether the files are
readable on all platforms is another question - the ISO-9660
specification says nothing about the contents of files (nor should it).
It is simply a directory syntax.

For the most part, text files will be readable, though it is strongly
recommended that each line of text be terminated by the <CR><LF> pair of
characters, and that each line be formatted to some fixed length (we use
78 characters, with the <CR> and <LF> in 79 and 80).  This solves lots
of problems - Unix uses the <LF> as a record delimited, Mac (I believe)
uses <CR>, DOS uses both and VMS can at least handle fixed length
records. 

Binary files can present other problems, particularly under VMS (for
some record lengths, or for an "undefined" record type, some VMS
commands, like COPY, will fail).  If you aren't worried about VMS,
binary files aren't a problem.

The place where file versions really hose things up is when you want to
executables and/or scripts/batch files and the like.  Then, you have to
know how the ISO-9660 device driver on each target machine (including
each _flavor_ of Unix you may encounter) handles two things - file
versions and filename case.  Some flavors of Unix put file names in
lower case.  Some don't.  Some flavors of Unix include file versions as
part of the file name.  Some don't.  If you have any type of script or
other program which has hard-coded file names in it, you'll need
separate versions.  At least, I don't know of any way around it.

The last disk we made had executables for DOS and VMS, and separate
shell scripts for Irix, SunOS and HP-UX.  The three Unii (is that plural
for Unix?) handled case and versions differently.

>Gahhhhhhhhhhh.

You'll get used to it...
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From: driggins@SCTC.AF.MIL
Subject: Product information request
Reply-To: driggins@SCTC.AF.MIL
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:42:47 GMT

I have recently acquired a couple of Severn Companies Inc. Gemini Model
SC-922 CD-ROM drives.  They are dual drive units with two 40 pin connectors
on the rear of each.  One for a host attachment, and one for cascaded units.
There are exposed DIP switches on the side of each.  If anyone can shed a little
 light on these units, or give me an address where I could get support (i.e.
 manuals, interface card, etc.) I would be most appreciative.
Vielen Dank,
[A[4~[4~[4~
Thanks,
Drake Riggins
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: oster@well.sf.ca.us (David Phillip Oster)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM Driver
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:21:40 GMT

Optical Media International in Los Gatos CA sells a driver for the 
Sony CDU-541. Before you order it, make sure SCSI Probe tells you the
Sony is a CD-ROM.  Silicon Graphics puts funk ROMs in their CD-ROM drives
that assert to the SCSI bus that tthe CD-ROM is a hard disk. This causes the
O.M.I. drivers to ignore them.
From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Sigraph Proceedings CDROM & NEC-CDR84
Keywords: NEC CDR84 Sigraph CDROM
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I can't get my NEC CDR84 to read the sigraph proceedings CDROM. Yet an old
hitachi reader plugged into the exact same system works fine!!

I sent the offending CDROM to NEC tech support. 2 weeks after they got it
I finally managed to speak to the guy I sent it to. He said that he duplicated
the problem and sent the cdrom to the systems people. That was the last I heard.

How can I/we pressure NEC into fixing this problem, or taking it seriously.
I have heard that a number of CDROMs can't be read by the CDR84. I really
would like to get my money back and buy a Reader that works!! But its too late
to get a refund from the distributor. (I didn't discover the problem for a week)

I think market pressure, ie many people calling and saying they would have
bought NEC if it worked may get through to them!!

Just my 0.02c


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From: rdm@cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: marking or labelling cdroms
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:17:43 GMT
Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Organization: Canta Forda Computer Lab, Pacifica, CA

> Are there permanent marking pens, adhesive labels, or some kind of
> engraving tools that work but do no damage to the disks?

I just spoke to Pam Clancy at DMI.  She confirms that felt-tip permanent
markers are OK, but that any hard marker (engraver, ball-point pen, etc.)
will damage the disc.  She also says that adhesive labels are a bad idea.

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From: scott@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Evernden)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B, NEC-74, and Kodak Photo-CD?
Keywords: CD-rom photo
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:17:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.203822.4072@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> gsomers@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (george.somers) writes:
>I spent the greater part of the weekend attempting to get
>the NEC-74 (with Adaptec & Corel ASPI hi-level drivers)
>CD-ROM reader, and Adaptec 1542B SCSI card (with Adaptec
>lo-level driver) to successfully read the Kodak sample
>Photo-CD. Not even a directory was read (at DOS level

This is probably obvious, but did you try the /XA switch on the
CUNI_ASP.SYS driver line, as indicated in the README.XA file that
comes with CorelSCSI?  Claim is that the NEC can read PHOTO CDs
with this switch.  I haven't tried it since I can't make my 1542B
talk to my CDR74...

-scott

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user interface and application development technologies and tools

From: everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Everett Kaser)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:18:15 GMT
Subject: CDROMs and public domain literature
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom

In reading a number of notes on Project Gutenberg and the CD from Walnut Creek
with bunches of public domain works, I've gathered that anything published
before 1917 is currently in the public domain.  This means that, for example,
the first few Tarzan and John Carter of Mars novels by Edgar Rice Burroughs
should be in the public domain now, no?

A second question/point of confusion is that the Estates of authors like
Edgar Rice Burroughs and Arthur Conan Doyle seem to still wield quite a bit of
control over use of the characters from those novels.  For example, does the
Estate of Arthur Conan Doyle own a trademark on the character of Sherlock
Holmes?  Else why do various productions require "permission" from "the Estate
of A. Conan. Doyle" when doing take-offs on those characters?

** Everett Kaser                   Hewlett-Packard Company
** ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett        work: (503) 750-3569   Corvallis, Oregon
** everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com        "Today is a good day for change."
From: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Several Questions
Date: 2 Oct 1992 23:49:55 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Oct2.175637.27246@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, tjo3s@Virginia.EDU (Thomas John O'Shaughnessy) writes:
>I'm looking into purchasing a CD-ROM drive and have several questions.
>First, can caddy based CD-ROM drives be mounted vertically or do they have
>to be horizontal.
>

The NEC CDR-74 actually comes with the feet to alow you to stand it
on its side to reduce the foot print (which I do), so I would assume
that the internal versions of the drive would work the same.

JOE

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: DSARGENT@UTFSM.BITNET ("Douglas Sargent ", The Bug)
Subject: Price-Performance comparision in players ???
Reply-To: DSARGENT@UTFSM.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:39:55 GMT

Hi,

   Has anyone ever compiled a price-Performance table in between the
different CD-Players available in the market. If so please send it over
to me. The more Specs. on the table, the better.

The Bug
From: stecker@FOZZY.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (David Stecker)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: WANTED: DAK device driver
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:45:56 GMT


Could someone please email the DAK CD-ROM (its a Sony I
beleive) device drivers espically the Windows
device driver?  I would be very gratefull.

David

stecker@aurxc3.aur.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: warnock@Hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov (Archie Warnock)
Subject: Re: Version Number in ISO Formatted CDROM (sorry, long)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:05:22 GMT

blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) writes:
>When I was writing the ISO 9660 file system translator for the Mac, I
>followed Part 12 instead of Part 13 when deciding to pass version
>numbers to the MacOS.  In retrospect, I think that was a mistake,
>primarily because MS-DOS's MSCDEX doesn't handle version numbers.  This
>makes Mac <-> DOS file name translation messy.

I agree - and it's not only an MS-DOS problem.  Only VMS uses file
versions, and even then they have special meanings and tag along as part
of the file name string as an aside...  Other OS's don't use them in any
way other than making them an annoying part of the file name string.

>bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams) writes:

>>the version suffix when mastered on the disk *IS OPTIONAL* according to
>>Apple's second edition of the CD ROM SC CD Developers handbook.

>Could you cite a page?  I'm unable to find that reference.  I know of
>people who have not put version numbers on an otherwise compliant
>ISO 9660 CD, but it isn't optional according to section 12.3.1 of ISO
>9660.

Just so we don't get too far afield, I think that the file versions
_should_ be on the disk when it's mastered (and I believe they _are_
required by the ISO-9660 standard) - otherwise VMS users will have
problems.  The real issue is over how drivers are to interpret the
characters, and my strong vote is that file versions should NOT be
passed on as part of the file name under any operating system which
doesn't use explicit file version numbers - i.e., anything but VMS.
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From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: NEC CD-ROM 83M vs 84
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:47:21 GMT

 I have a chance to get a good price on the NEC cdr 83M, and would
like to know the differences between it and the 84.   I am most interested
in the maximum transfer , mean access time, and SCSI II compliance.
Please get back to me quickly, because I don't have long to decide.

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu
From: nat@owlnet.rice.edu (Nathaniel W Guyton)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Sega emulator?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:01:23 GMT
Organization: Rice University

I know this may be a little outlandish, but what are the possibilities of
a Sega Genesis emulator for CD Rom drives?  I think it would be pretty cool
if it would work.  Seems to me that each drive would need to make one, though,
similar to drivers for the drives.  

Anybody?
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: umkwong3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Fung Kwong)
Subject: Re: USENET on CDROM
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:19:04 GMT

In <1992Oct2.004510.27030@shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:


>I seem to recall that somewhere someone offers USENET articles archived on
>CDROM. Cananyone tell me where I might find these discs? Cost? Thanks.

company : Sterling Software

address : 1404 Fort Crook Road South
          Bellevue
          NE 68005-2969

tel     : 1-800-643-6397 (U.S. and Canada)
        : 402-291-2108   (International)

fax     : 402-291-4362

e-mail  : cdnews@sterling.com
        : uunet!sparky!cddev

add to the cddev mailing list : cddev-request@stering.com
                              : uunet!sparky!cddev-request

USENET archived articles CD-ROM tilte : NetNews/CD

cost : yearly subscription + NetGems - $349.95 US + $70.00 (S&H)
       individual issues             - $39.95 US  + $3.50  (S&H)
       NetGems,Best of '91           - $49.95 US  + $3.50  (S&H)

format : NetNews/CD : ISO 9660
                      (Macintosh and Unix platform)
                      (Dos platform use Microsoft CD extensions,
                       no reader software available at this time)

News groups that are excluded : alt.binaries.*
                                alt.toon-pics
                                alt.sex.*
                                alt.tasteless.*
                                de.alt.binaries*
                                fj.binaries*
                                rec.arts.erotica

I am sorry that I have nothing to do with the above company. I received
the above information from Sterling Software a few days ago. Please
confirm the above information yourselves.

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        umkwong3@ccu.umanitoba.ca                      Kwong, Hui Fung
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: tgl@ssd.kodak.com (Tom Lathrop 588-0677)
Subject: Re: Version Number in ISO Formatted CDROM
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:36:16 GMT

In article <BvDpMq.KtA@iat.holonet.net> bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams) writes:
>>> "Should I include version numbers or not?"
>
>No do not include them. By default the ";1" is annoying and ugly if all
>files on the disk, or in a directory are ";1" and besides THE
>SPECIFICATION DOES NOT SAY THEY ARE MANDATORY to press into the ISO9660.

Yes it does. Read section 7.5.1 of ISO 9660.

What's not mandatory is to return them to the user. As someone pointed
out, in section 13, Requirements for a receiving system, version number
is not one of the things which is required to be made available.

Someone else asked why it was done that way. I wasn't on the committee,
but it was probably for MS-DOS. ISO 9660 level 1 allows 8 character
file names with a 3 character extension. (sound familiar?) If an MS-DOS
system had a file with the full 8.3 characters, how would it display the
version number? So MS-DOS receiving systems (usually Microsoft CD
Extensions) ignore the version number. Unix systems can handle the
";1", so some Unix implementations choose to return it.

Why are version numbers (a VMS thing) supported by ISO 9660, while many
Unix features are not? Because DEC took an active role in both the High Sierra
committee and the ECMA committee that developed the standard originally.
The major Unix vendors didn't participate, so their needs were ignored.

Tom Lathrop
tgl@ssd.kodak.com
From: petit@smop.fr.mugnet.org (Bertrand Petit)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Can't display GIFs Galore CD ROM on Mac
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:05:09 GMT
Organization: SMOP Public Access Un*x

jbg@sdc.boeing.com (James Glidewell) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.013928.15849@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, bpjcmjr@coos.dartmouth.edu (Patricia A. Crossett) writes:
>|> I have been unable to convert the format of the GIFs on the GIFs Galore CD ROM to a
>|> form which can be read by QuickGif or other GIF viewers.  Does someone know the
>|> correct transformation to make?  I have no problem reading the files from the CD ROM
>|> itself.
>This seems to be due to two different problems -

>2) A number of the files (particularly the thumbnail index files) are in 
>GIF 87a format, which some of the Mac GIF viewers (CyberGIF) cannot read.

	You're wrong, the GIF87a is the first specification of the CIS GIF
format. The newer one GIF 89a is not suported bu number of viewers.
Unfortunately i don't renember the name of the mac viewer wich accept the 89a
format. Check some mac specialised archives sites.

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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-84
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:15:32 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

u7911050@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Saturn Paul) writes:
>      1. NEC CDR-84 uses a SCSI interface. How do I get the driver of 
>         it ? ( I use a BusTek 542B, should I ask the dealer of bustek
>         or the dealer of CDR-84 for the driver ?)
*----
The CD-ROM drivers will be specific for your disk controller, so get
them from the Bustek dealer.
>      
>      3. What's the competibility to other non-386PC machines like
>         Sun Sparc, Macintosh, or NeXT ? 
*----
It's standard SCSI, and aside from some quirks, all of those machines
would support it, provided you have the right device driver software.
NEC CD-ROMs hang if your controller does the SCSI sync negotiation,
but can co-exist ok if the peripherals do it.
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