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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:06:24 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pearl Jam and Queensryche
              8 Oct 1992 12:42:23 EDT from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:42:23 EDT <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM> said:
>Well, I gotta say that I personally love Pearl Jam...The first time I heard
>them, I was thrilled that somebody was still doing hard driving rock to which
>you just can't sit still. They also seem to have a helluva fun time playing
>their stuff live...I like their use of some different guitar sounds then you
>would normally hear. It's kind of a shame that they've become so popular this
>quickly, because many of their original fans from the Seattle scene are now
>you Leonard; I can see how their style of music wouldn't appeal to someone
>(though I think anyone who likes good solid guitar rock should like these
>guys). Just adding my own HO to the fray...

Please don't tkae this as an insult, it is not meant to be one, but i thought
their guitar playing was pitiful (i could run circles around them, a fact)
I've got to admit i've only heard/saw that onw video and my friend argued
with me that they were popular i thought they were some terrible amatuer
band. When i found out they were popular i was reminded of the dir straits
song "money for nothing" . As far people sitting still while they were playing
thats all they did, the kind of music i like has people moving,grooving..etc
the audience on this particular video did nothing...and the whole time i
saying this is a joke i can't believe this. I've just heard one tune, but i'd
rather hear Billy Ray that listen to that crap again. Just my opinion if
they move you,let them. If we all agreed on everthing it be a boring world
don't take offense and start flaming me again(although it's fun)..L.W.

>P.S. OO! OO! WOULD YOU MAIL SRV TAPES TO CANADA??!! OO! OO!
Because I preach the blues and want everyone to experience them i probally
would......L.'king-of-the-run-on'W.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Eddie Blackwell passes away
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:23:02 GMT

Jazz drum great Eddie Blackwell passed away Wednesday.

Eddie was one of my favorite.  I saw him live with Old And New Dreams,
with David Murray, and with Mal Waldon.  I also got to play with him
once at the Creative Music studio in Woodstock.  His uplifting grooves have such
a singing quality... there was never any doubt on how to play with
Eddie. 

He was the drummer with Ornette for much of the 60s and early 70s.  In addition
to jazz styles, his playing combined the sounds of African rhythems with the 
parade rhythms from New Orleans.  With Ornette, all these stylistic
elements were present, often in a musical setting containing a strong pulse 
yet no fixed meter.  He also played in more straight ahead groups such as Mal
Waldron and more recently Joe Lovano.  The last records I think he made
were the new Ray Anderson (with fellow Ornette rhythm section mate
Charlie Haden), and Joe Lovano (with Dave Holland).  From a few years
back, there was one with Karl Berger and Dave Holland.  He has had
kidney problems for the last 20 years or so, and that made it more
difficult to tour.

Eddie Blackwell will be missed.

Jeff

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:16:42 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Valentine + Nico = ?

     I continue my stream of questions caused by cultural shock from
meeting a foreign culture. This one is:

       I heard (read) Marco mention _Bloody Valentine_, so my brain(?)
extracted a verbal association with the song _My Funny Valentine_. I
think, it is a quite famous jazz tune, but the version I heard was
sung by Nico, and it sounded very different from the original. It
was a while ago, so the only things I remember are that it was sad and
that I liked it. Does anybody know this version? What was Nico doing
after her Velvet Underground period?
           Ilia.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:32:22 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      SELLOUT AGAIN

ko sed:  If someone wants their music to appeal to all types of
         listeners...

ko:  If an artist renders his/her music for the "purpose" of appeal, is it
     'art'?  Caution in order, as I'm primarily an "improv" artist, so I
     have little use for music that's NOT art... & NO use for music that's
     gLenerated to appeal to "everyone"... not that there's no USE for such
     music... if it appeals to someone else, FINE; but 'i' don't much
     enjoy it... which, i suppose, is why 'my' art/music will never 'be there'
tream,
     it IS a sellout (or not art at all) if the improvisor is just REACHING
     for something based on appeal... if it turnz out that a lot of folks
     DO like it, that's fine too... THEN the artist will make some buckz
     (UNLESS, of course, it gets picked up by one of the BIGGIES2p~, who
     usually turn it IN to a PRODUCT!  Hope this makes SOME sense!

ZZAJ
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Date: 15 Oct 92 02:34:33 GMT
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P.S. I am sorry, John, it was *YOU* who mentioned _Earthbound_.
                  Ilia.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:03:18 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: speakers
              12 Oct 1992 09:28:24 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

Try playing some FM interstation hiss - depending on the music to which
you're listening, and the actual frequency range of the tweeter, you may
have a very difficult time getting much signal from it using music as a
source. The hiss will have more energy in the upper frequencies, so you
should be able to hear some output unless the xover frequency is above
10KHz (unlikely).

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:18:02 DST
From:         Clint Pearcy <clintp@PARROT.CREIGHTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nico and "My Funny Valentine"
              "ALLMUSIC@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Oct 15, 92 3:47 pm

>

Was "My Funny Valentine" maybe in _Lady and the Tramp_?

Clint Pearcy
clintp@parrot.creighton.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:24:07 +0000
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: you read it, you call it

lee says [about the now worldwide famous Sinead O'Connor performance]:

>wow.  i'm no fan of the pope, but it appears there's something wrong with
>her logic.  i guess that, being irish (she is irish, isn't she?), has grown
>up with catholicism and disapproves of the things it does or stands for.
>but her position is so ethnocentristic it becomes ludicrous.  i can't think
>of a single area in my life where the pope's existance, ideals, or policies
>have any impact at all.  how could he then be my friend or my enemy?  it's
>one thing for her to disagree with the man, which she certainly has a right
>to do, but it's another for her to expect others to single him out as "the
>true enemy".

        Hey dude, you've never come to Italy apparently :)... no area, you
say? Seriously -- my land (at least a certain part of it).
        Musically speaking, I think that Sinead O'Connor is both ethnocentri-
stica and trying to deliberately raise a buzz about her action (the more we
buzz, the more she sells -- hooray for the market!).
        Anyway, since I'm not that into the matter, I would like to hear some-
thing about this from our Irish fellow-netters. It seems that most of the Irish
music actually reaching the big time has a sort of religious (or anti-reli-
gious) contamination -- U2 being the obvious archetypal band of the religious
side, Sinead being possibly the reference for the others (I mean -- IDEOLOGI-
CALLY, not MUSICALLY).
        Is there a thread here?

        Just an early mor-yawn!-ning thought...

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:54:00 EST
From:         WEINDAN@HWS.BITNET
Subject:      XTC, how are they?

Can anyone give me their opinion of the band XTC?
        - Gabe Weinstock
        WEINDAN@HWS.BITNET
From: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original)
Subject: Re: you read it, you call it
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:25:42 GMT

In <ALLMUSIC%92100909140873@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave Hall) writes:

>     Well, I'm not really Irish, but my grandmother was a Kelly and my middle
>name is Sean, is that close enough?

NO!You have to live in a country for some length  of time to understand it's
people and the way they think.(also to hear the good bands that don't
ever make it into the crappy charts).

>     Anyway, I try to think of all the Irish bands I listen to in order to
>follow your train of thought.  Admittedly most of my favorites are not really
>all that big time.
>     The Pogues (okay, they're not really Irish, Shane McGowan is the only
>true Irishman in the group, but they wanna be and that's good enough for me)

Well actually , Terry Woods is from Ireland and so is Philip Shevron.
Shane McGowan is London Irish , and most of  the rest of the members have some
Irish connection .


>spend most of their time and anger singing songs about English injustice,
>i.e. Oliver Cromwell, the waste of Australians in Gallipoli, or the fate
>of Irish-Americans in their new land.  I can't really think of any


How many Pogues albums do you have ??????? Obviously not enough.
You might as well say that all Bob Geldoff sings about is Ethiopia.
The Pogues do have some songs about these but they sing about countless
other topics.(e-mail me if you don't know).



>Anti-Catholic songs.  BTW, how can the Pogues maintain any sense of Irish-
>ness if Shane is gone and is to be replaced by another Brit--Joe Strummer?

Well as I said above there is more than enough Irishness without Shane
but why should they have to "maintain any sense of Irishness" in the
first place .
If you think about this statement you'll realise just how IGNORANT it is
They play music that gets it's roots from irish music how much more of a
"sense of irishness"do you need??
People all over the wold play rock music , are you going to ask them 
how they can do this without being American????????

Peter Lemass.
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I apologize for causing Mr. Preston or whatever the fellows name is
to behave this way. So post your challenge so the whole group can
see it. I'm getting tired of your B.S. i'm not pretending innocence
so post it and shut the hell up.....L.W.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:13:00 EST
From:         WEINDAN@HWS.BITNET
Subject:      That 'Hello dad, I'm in jail' song...

Can anyone tell me the name of the group that does that song in which, basically
   the only words are "Hello dad, I'm in jail"? It's played briefly in Pump Up t
   he
Volume, and I've seen a little animated cartoon using this song on the MTV
special, Liquid Television. Anyone with any idea who does this, please drop me
a line...
        - Gabe Weinstock
        WEINDAN@HWS.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:07:57 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: doors, windows, and prokofiev

>omc:  i picked up a cd this weekend with prokofiev's _symphonie classique_.
>i've listened to it three or four times, but it's just not doing it for me.
>any suggestions on another direction to try with this guy?  i got another cd
>with _peter and the wolf_ narrated by sting.  it mostly alternates the music
>and narration, but it seemed to me that it might work well with the narrator
>speaking during (along with) the music.  are there other renditions done this
>way?  what do ya'll think?

  Oh man, you picked up Prokofiev lite.  No wonder.  The classical symphony
is the 20th century's answer to Eine Kliene Nachtmusik (excuse the spelling).
Okay, depending upon how hardcore you are and what sort of instrumentation
you like....

  Piano Sonatas 6, 7, 8.  Especially 7.
  Alexander Nevsky (the Beerman will back me on that)
  Symphony 5 and especially Symphony 6
  Violin Concerto #2
  Piano Concerto #3
  Romeo and Juliet (the Beerman doesn't like this one, though)

  Second tier stuff would be his other piano ctos, symphonies 2, 3, 4
(two is a little tough - the paris influence "novelty! novelty!") the
lt. kije suite, though that is also prokofiev pop. sinfonia concertante,
according to yo-yo ma, one of the toughest cello pieces to play.  if you
like the more lyrical, try cinderella.  also the scythian suite (his
version of rites of spring) and the music for ivan the terrible.  if
you like the solo piano stuff, there is more of that under odd names -
sarcasms, others...some don't translate well.

  The classical symphony was his response to a little wager about
playing at mozart.  Peter and the Wolf is kids music - though,
considering, not bad at all, but not serious stuff.  I think
some recordings have been made without narration at all.

                                                        -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:37:38 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Charles Ives (was Top Allmusic Posters)

   I haven't bought squat for Zappa records/CD's lately. The only stuff
   I have bought in the last few months are: Scatterbrain, the new Extreme
   CD, new Satriani and the new Tower of Power. That's it.

   I don't post anymore because the majority of posts are like "Are the
   Doors great or what?"


                                        - Drummer - (still #1)
From: JCMELO00@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Julie Meloni)
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Subject: Re: More Indigo Girls
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:43:06 GMT
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              13 Oct 1992 13:23:44 EDT from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

In reply to Scott's comments about the singing and guitar playing abilities of
the Indigo Girls, "neither of them has a particularly great voice" and "none of
 them is a great guitar hero,"  I agree.  Amy is your basic junior high
alto who never leaerned how to project correctly and must have nodes on her
vocal chords the size of grapefruit.  But she's got heart, and I think that
her heart (plus Em's, of course) is what makes up for her lack of pure
singing talent.  They do still sing in church on Sundays.  About their guitar
playing, Amy is the first one to admit that she's no grand player.  But she
strums her D-F-G's with the best of them, and is solid at what she CAN do.
Emily has been classically trained for ten or twelve years, and she IS very,
very good.  But you're right, they're not heroes (although Em comes pretty
darn close for me!).  Y'all have a nice day.

Julie Meloni
jcmelo00@ukcc.uky.edu
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Subject: Re: A survivor from Warsaw
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:22:04 GMT
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:54:53 EDT <MMORSE@YORKVM1> said:
>Does size count, ladies and gentlemen? The 53 pieces Schoenberg did
>write compare very favourably indeed to the output of ANY other composer,
>and the numbers be damned.
>MW Morse

The context, though, was that it's easier to remember a numeric designation
when there are fewer numbers to remember.  *Not* that one composer was better
than another.  I didn't quote text because I was damned if I was going to
hit the delete line key a hundred and elventy times!  :-)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:47:00 EST
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Subject:      Motorhead on the Tonight show

forwarded without permission from the Hawkwind list:

Date: 13 Oct 1992 08:17:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: mbwhite@cisa02.med.ecu.edu (Martyn White)


I was surprised last night when I got home and turned on the TV
that Motorhead were musical guests on the tonight show!
        Apparently one of the tonight show band (Branston Marsalis?)
had a bet with Lemmy that he would not appear.
        Jay Leno (I think hes a jerk) passed out earplugs before the
first song (a lilting ballad named hellraiser :-).
        After this Lemmy payed his $5 bet and joined Jay and his guests

        Jay; "Why do they call you Lemmy?  What kind of name is that?"

        Lemmy;"Why do they call you Jay?  What kind of name is that?
                I dont think anyones going to win this one lets drop
it."

        Lemmmy mentioned that he is doing a call-in agony line at some
station and offering teenagers advice :-)

        After the break, actress Edie McClurg? came on.

        E "Hello Mr Head"

        L "You can call me Motor,  Mo"

        At one point during her talk Lemmy appeared to grope her and
she made some remark about him being an animal.
        Motorhead finished with a song from their new album "March
or Die" .

        I dont normally like the tonight show but last night was an
exception.  Anyone else see it?


Martyn
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:24:04 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Stevie Ray

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:02:04 CDT Paul Heroy said:
>On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:32:29 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>>it's awesome. Srv was incredible, but now that i'm a heavy metal fan i'm not
>>sure i'll like him as much :-)......L.'metal-head'W.
>
>No I've never seen this video I've seen him live once in a sweaty little dive
>in Lafayette Looziana called Grant Street Dance Hall where the crowd was half
>really grungy bikers and half college kids and half other people who probably
>didn't like heavy metal much but the show was ok though not his best but it's
>the only time I ever got to see SRV live in person so I'll have to look for
>that Live at El Macomba vid.

I was being sarcastic about the heavy-metal fan, because of the uproar i caused
by knocking that type of music (but i deserved it). I've seen him twice in
large halls/outside one time was awsome the other was lackluster. BY all means
check out the video it was recorded in 82 and has some of the best playing
you'll ever see. BTW i just called my store and reserved my copy which i will
pick up in an hour or so.......Lenny Ray
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:03:12 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mexican music

O.K., I'm game. . .

Where can I find this huapangos music?  I do like Latin music, although I
don't really follow it so I don't know names and styles, but huapangos is a
new one on me.

Michelle
(Who took five years of Spanish and can't remember but a few words)
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Date: 15 Oct 92 18:10:25 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:05:00 N OUT,              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-
>Hi all,
>        an Italian magazine has recently issued an interview with Tom Waits.
.....
>
>        The man will never change, I'm afraid. :)
>
>        Ciao, Marco
     Let's hope he doesn't.

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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:34:54 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>

On the subject of King Crimson,

I think their last three albums
Discipline
Beat
Three of a Perfect Pair
are killer albums.  Too bad they are really short compared to a
regular cd.
38 minutes!?
Their first album is truly incredible for its dynamic range and
complexity in mood.

For the Russian-turned-American Ilia,

 Mike Masuda
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:28:45 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Irish music/religion

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:24:07 +0000 Marco said:
>It seems that most of the Irish
>music actually reaching the big time has a sort of religious (or anti-reli-
>gious) contamination -- U2 being the obvious archetypal band of the religious
>side, Sinead being possibly the reference for the others (I mean -- IDEOLOGI-
>CALLY, not MUSICALLY).

Hmmm... well, given that music made with conviction and passion generally
has (ignoring reality of Top 40, we're being idealistic here ;) a better
chance of hitting the 'big time', and given the passion in Ireland over
religion (whether pro or anti), it's not too surprising that this issue does
have a tendency to dominate much Irish music. (Though, as someone else said,
using the Pogues and Luka Bloom as examples, this is also something of an
overgeneralization.) Might as well ask why so much rap is concerned with
racism and violence against African Americans.

As for Sinead, I've heard it's been reported that during rehearsal for the
SNL appearance, she ripped a picture of a child, not the Pope. Apparently,
nobody knew what was going to happen, so the crew of SNL was as surprised and
shocked as the audience. My opinion on this type of thing, letting questions
of motivation alone for the nonce, is that radical, controversial acts like
this are a necessary element of society. While I'm not condoning any specific
radical ideology, I think it's useful for society to be occasionally shocked
into seriously looking at itself. After all, current mainstream feminism (as
opposed to current 'radical' feminism, which doesn't appear to have much real
support from any woman I know - and Hilary Clinton is not 'radical') once was
a very radical movement, but society had its collective eyes opened and now
many of its goals have been incorporated into the mainstream (and yes, the
Religious Right is still living in the 19th century, I said mainstream ;).
I'd like to have seen the MTV Sinead interview - I think perhaps she ignores
some of the positive aspects of organized religion, but I'd probably also
sympathize with many of her viewpoints on the negative aspects. Tis a complex
world though, and blanket condemnations are pretty useless.

Paul Heroy