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From: RMJUN@acad1.alaska.edu (Juneau Schools Data Proc.)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Aug 1992 16:42:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hope someone can help me...
 
I have an Amiga CDTV hooked up via a network to another Amiga computer which
runs a BBS.  I have recently gotten a CD-ROM from Walnut Creek called "Desktop
Library" which I desperately want to be able to put online.  Unfortunately due
to an oddity of the CDTV and Walnut Creek's mastering method, putting this
disk into the CDTV causes it to crash immediately.
 
I've heard that there are services out there that will press a CD-ROM for you
for a fee, if you provide the data.  I thought I might be able to find one 
which will guarantee the result can be read on a CDTV and give them the
original disc to have it re-pressed.
 
Does anyone have the addresses or phone numbers of any such services?  The more
I can find, the better, because it's possible that any given one will not be
able to produce a CDTV-ready disc.  (BTW CDTV discs are ISO-9660; I don't know
if Walnut Creek's CDs are off spec in a way that doesn't bother most CD drives
or if the CDTV is off spec.)
 
Please send e-mail to RMJUN@acad1.alaska.edu as I can't access Usenet directly.
BTW my plea may be entered on my behalf by a few people I know who DO have
Usenet access, so if you've read this before, my apologies for the 
duplication.
 
--Frank J. Perricone, RMJUN@acad1.alaska.edu, Fido 1:355/814.0
--voice daytime phone 907-463-1855 before 6pm Pacific time

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: hintz@OZ.UCOP.EDU (Richard Hintz)
Subject: re: renewal
Reply-To: Richard Hintz <hintz@OZ.UCOP.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:05:14 GMT

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:30:40 BS3, Eduardo Haddad Filho wrote:
> I have just received a msg stating CONFIRM CDROM-L.
> What does it mean? Do you want me to confirm my SUB?

Netnews readers, please ignore this note.

Listserv readers:  Confirmations should be sent to listserv@uccvma or
listserv@uccvma.ucop.edu.

Eduardo, you do not need to do anything until you are sent a note from
Listserv saying to confirm your subscription.  The note you saw was a mistake.
  Rich Hintz
From: 100012.1163@COMPUSERVE.COM ("100012.1163@compuserve.com ", Rainer Stumpe)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Reply to OCR
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: "100012.1163@compuserve.com (Rainer Stumpe)"              <100012.1163@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

To:   >internet:cdrom-l@uccvma.ucop.edu

Dear Netter,
I use WordScan Plus with a hp ScanJet plus (Windows 3.0,
MS-DOS 5.0, 486 processor). It works pretty nice, but has
its limitations. It has no problems reading Courier
typeface correctly. But with laser print in Times (and with
xerox copies), error rate is high.
Clean print from books and newpapers has a fair error rate.
WordScan Plus writes many wordprocessor, databank and
spreadsheet formats. You can generate dictionaries.
What else do you want to know?
Rainer Stumpe
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: EUREKA@BRLNCC.BITNET (Eduardo Haddad Filho)
Subject: Books in Print
Reply-To: Eduardo Haddad Filho <EUREKA@BRLNCC.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:55:33 GMT

Many Thanks!
Many thanks for all of you who responded to my query about
Books in Print.
I'll contact Bowker.
For those who asked:


RR Bowker
Electronic Publishing
121 Chanlon Rd
New Providence NJ 07974
908-464-6800

Again: Many thanks!

Eduardo Haddad Filho
Bitnet= EUREKA@BRLNCC

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mackay@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Mackay)
Subject: Sun CD on PC
Keywords: Sun, SCSI
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:16:49 GMT

Is it possible and worth the trouble to hook up a Sun CD player to a
DOS PC?  I am guessing it may be possible to get a SCSI card for the PC
and hook it to the CD.  I currently have no sound board or OS extensions,
so I would have to deal with getting those also.  Am I better off dealing
with a packaged DOS solution, or can I really save some money here and
get decent performance ?  I don't use the CD much at work, so I could
borrow it when I needed to.

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: paul@pands.demon.co.uk (Paul Wilson)
Distribution: world
Subject: Where is Bob Bruce these days?
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.13 $
Organization: P-and-S Ltd
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:27:16 +0000

Could someone tell me the Email address of Bob Bruce of Walnut Creek and
very good value CD's fame please?

Thanks,

Paul
--
Paul Wilson, P-and-S Ltd, P O Box 54, Macclesfield, SK10 1RD, UK
[phone] +44 (0) 625 - 502224      [email] paul@pands.demon.co.uk
From: shaw@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jim Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Books in Print
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:28:08 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha


Books in Print is available on CD-ROM.  It is very expensive:
the library I work in paid about $1,600 for a subscription with
a site license allowing us to place it on a network to allow
multiple simultaneous users.  The expense is such that
the CD-ROM version of BIP will probably only be found in a
few libraries or companies with specialized need for it.

I do not know what a single, stand-alone subscription would
cost.  You might contact the publisher for more information.

   R.R. Bowker
   245 West 17th Street
   New York, NY  10011
   (212)645-9700

Jim Shaw            "shaw@cwis.unomaha.edu"
Reference Librarian
University of Nebraska at Omaha

        --Standard disclaimers, as is standard, apply--
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From: jludwig@HP.UWSUPER.EDU (John Edson Ludwig)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Request for info on Texel DM-3024/INT
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:38:36 GMT
Reply-To: John Edson Ludwig <jludwig@HP.UWSUPER.EDU>
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

We are in the process of looking for a do all CD drive and have come down
to looking at a few that fit all our needs. We haven't been able to get
much for reviews on Texel drives. Has anyone had any experience with this
drive?
******************************************************************
John Ludwig                         Internet - jludwig@uwsuper.edu
Technical Services                         Phone  - (715) 394-8184
Jim Dan Hill Library                       Fax    - (715) 394-8462
University of Wisconsin- Superior          AOL -   jludwig@aol.com
Superior, WI 54880
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.periphs.scsi
From: J.Beech@SHEFFIELD-CITY-POLY.AC.UK (Julian Beech)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: different Disney Sound Card question
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:22:11 GMT
Reply-To: Julian Beech <J.Beech@SHEFFIELD-CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

Date:          Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:29:54 GMT
Reply-to:      Justin Masters <jmasters@PCOCD2.INTEL.COM>
From:          Justin Masters <jmasters@PCOCD2.INTEL.COM>
Subject:       different Disney Sound Card question
To:            Multiple recipients of list CDROM-L <CDROM-L@uccvma.ucop.edu>

I recently bought Mixed Up Mother Goose from Sierra On-line
software company.  I only have a Disney Sound card.
I've bought the MPC CD-ROM version.

I've tried following the directions on the disk for
running it, and also making a boot disk to run it.

Basically my problems are these:

Sound doesn't come out of the Disney Sound Source in
the opening screen, nor in the bedroom when you poke on
various objects.  I still don't get any Sound Card sound.
When the goose finally lands, the hand that was where
the mouse pointer was, disappears, and I have no control
over anything else.

I've been on the phone with their technicians for a long
time the last week, and they can't seem to pinpoint it.

Has anybody else had this problem?

Hi Justin,
        I bought M.M Goose early this year and had nothing but
trouble with it I'm afraid.  First off you should have two CD's, one
red, one blue.  The red contains digitized sound suitable for a sound
card.  The blue contains an audio sound track that play's through the
audio output on your cd player (Beware, if the cd player is slow i.e
500mS access it won't play correctly).  In the end I exchanged our
M.M Goose for Kings Quest V.  Sierra are very helpfull though, so do
keep in touch with them.

                                    Joules
                          Sheffield Hallam University
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: DSARGENT@UTFSM.BITNET ("Douglas Sargent ", The Bug)
Subject: I want to buy a CD player for my PC and music equipment.
Reply-To: DSARGENT@UTFSM.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:10:17 GMT

Hi Guys,

    I would like to purchase a CD player for my PC (386 DX 40 MHZ, IDE
Seagate 130 MB Drive). The thing is it would be nice if i could plug
some headphones into it, so i can listen to ordinary music on it. Plus
it would be nice if it were a portable model.

    Please give me some insight into what model would be available,
prices, where to buy.

thanks.

The Bug
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jack@admin.mport.COM (Jack Craig)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Kodak Photo-CD
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:48:26 GMT
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

one is the indigo(sgi) and its toshiba cd drive.

its access of redbook music is unique and i have heard of the
pending photocd format support.

i havent seen the software yet for photo editing, but judging from
the other software they ship, you will Enjoy it.

call/email your local sgi vendor for more details.

jack...
=============================================================================
 Jack Craig      Microport SVR4      408-438-UNIX        uunet!mport.com!jack   
=============================================================================
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: CD-Rom & Adaptec 1542b
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:30:09 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

I need to buy a high speed CD-Rom player known to be compatable
with the adaptec 1542b host adaptor when the CD-Rom drive is at
a physical address >>1.  

Please reply by mail, as I need advice faster than news normally
flows.  

Muse of the day.  After spending the last two days and nights trying
to get the 1542b to talk to a Syquest SQ555 removable hard drive
and a Matshita CD-ROM (panasonic clone), I just gotta ask.  How the
hell does Adaptec manage to f*ck up so badly?  Both devices work 
with Future domain, Allways, DTK Segate ST01 and even the Trantec parallel 
port host adaptor.  Why is it every time I get near an Adaptec host
adaptor, I can just plan on trashing a day or so?  Last time it was
an Exabyte, time before that it was a newbury hard drive, before
that an Archive cartridge tape drive.  In each case, the official
adaptec advice has been "get new firmware for the offending device."

Methinks the benefits of having adaptec sorta on the net and the Neese
utilities are being far outweighed by the time costs involved.

While I'm at it, anyone have a suggestion for a host adaptor that
will do the following:

*	Run with windows without double buffering
*	Do what microsoft calls "32 bit transfers."
*	support the Syquest drive.
*	support the Exabyte
*	Support a CD-ROM

thanks in advance.

John
-- 
John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?  
Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
Marietta, Ga                         |Interested in high tech and computers? 
jgd@dixie.com                        |Write me about PE Magazine
Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Subject: Re: Simtel20
Organization: Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:52:45 GMT

In article <CDROM-L%92081322213867@UCCVMA.UCOP.EDU>,
Raad Alhamdan <SG919C@GWUVM.bitnet> writes:
> Now, I don't know about you people, but this is a long procedure for me..
> Does anyone have a less time consuming way..

I use shez, which is somewhere in the msdos/arc_lbr directory on the
simtel cdrom.  It gives a list of files; you use the mouse or arrow keys
to drive around the directory tree; press Enter or click on a compressed
archive file and it shows a directory of what's inside; other commands
let you extract or view files.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za             Bang: m2xenix!quagga!undeed!barrett
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: KURSAT@TRMETU.BITNET ("Kursat CAGILTAY")
Subject: Accessing Library CDs for Citation indexes
Reply-To: "Kursat CAGILTAY" <KURSAT@TRMETU.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:30:08 GMT

 Hi,

Our library has a PC and a CD-ROM Drive and CDs for Citation indexes.
And Here, In METU, We have a fiber optic token ring backbone and the
departmental LANS are tied to this Backbone. These LANS are either
BANYAN-Vines, NOVELL-Netware or Unix workstations. And TCP/IP is
available  on all  of them.
Now What our Library want is letting this CDs available all over the
network (they will buy lots of CDS).

Any Suggestions, or information would be appreciated.

Thanks
 Kursat CAGILTAY
 METU CC
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ADM0404@SAIPA00.BITNET
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: ADM0404@SAIPA00.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:43:55 GMT

TO Smart Minds:
I need help:
Problem:
        I have a MAC and two CD-ROM drives
        I would like to connect those  CD drives
        to the MAC and be able to access both, what
        SW/HW  or Idea's that could let me accomplish
        this connection. (I don't like to emulate my MAC
        to be a PC through DOS.

Your response is greatly appreciated, & I shall post the answers
to the network once I receive them.

Thank you in advance.
Aziz
----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: beth@techpubs.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Beth Boynton)
Subject: Need UNIX Info
Originator: beth@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:41:58 GMT

We are producing data on a UNIX system for UNIX systems
and presently have to transfer it to a DOS machine
to master CD's. We would prefer to master at the
UNIX station.  Does anyone know of any mastering machines
which have UNIX SVR4 drivers for a SCSI connection?  
                                                    
Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Toshiba XM-2100A info (or address) needed
Reply-To: grover@emunix.emich.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 13:53:11 GMT


I have an old  Toshiba XM-2100A CD-ROM drive, and I need the
address of Toshiba (in the USA) so I can ask them some questions
about it.  Thanks.
-- 
 __                                                                   __
(__) Grover Thomas            InterNet: grover@emunix.emich.edu      (__)
(__)                               or   bp664@Cleveland.Freenet.edu  (__)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mhatay@radphys.sdsu.edu (Mark Hatay)
Subject: Mac CD-Rom on a PC
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:44:04 GMT

Hi, Can one use a Mac (sony) CD-Rom drive on a pc.
I have a Adaptec 1542b SCSI card.
Thanks Mark.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: MS Bookshelf Viewer problems
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:45:39 GMT

In article <56651@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> abe@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) writes:
   I have the Creative Labs MPC package (SoundBlaster Pro card with built-in
   CD-ROM interface and the Matsushita/Panasonic CD-ROM drive).  It works fine
   with every CD I have, except MS Bookshelf under Windows 3.1.

   First problem:

       The MS Viewer almost always refuses to recognize the CD-ROM drive the
       first time it's called.  Sometimes I get a "retry" dialogue and other
       times I get Viewer's full display with a dialogue that directs me to
       find the appropriate *.mvb file for it.

       I can reproduce this problem by using a different CD -- say Mammals --
       from Windows, then ejecting it and trying to use the Bookshelf.  If,
       instead, I use the program manager to look at the CD-ROM (D:) drive,
       it has no problem, and a subsequent Bookshelf reference is fine, too.

       I can "fix" the problem by changing the program set options to execute
       viewer from the CD-ROM drive, but that results in much slower access
       to any book on the shelf.

I've seen this happen with my drive as well. It seems that for some reason,
DOS hasn't logged the new CD yet. It usually happens when I have one disc in,
pull it out, and load the MS Bookshelf CD. I've discovered that if I use 
Filemangler and log to that drive then I don't have any problems with MS Bookshelf.
If I don't sometimes it'll work too. It depends upon how long I wait before acessing
it. If I try to do it right away after loading the CD, about half the time it'll fail.
If I wait about 15-30 seconds it'll work just fine. 

My suspicion is that the driver doesn't always realize the CD has been changed and
needs to be 'prodded' by another application. File Manager seems to do it for me.

   Second problem:

       Once I do get the Bookshelf to work, success in playing the musical
       examples in the compact encyclopedia is unpredictable.  I haven't
       found any way to predict success or failure.

I haven't seen this. It's worked flawlessly for me.

MJ

--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
From: jmaster@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Justin Masters)
Subject: Re: diff Disney Snd Crd questn: update
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:57:35 GMT

J.Beech@SHEFFIELD-CITY-POLY.AC.UK (Julian Beech) writes:

>jmasters@pcocd2.intel.com (Justin Masters) writes:
>I recently bought Mixed Up Mother Goose from Sierra On-line
>software company.  I only have a Disney Sound card.
>I've bought the MPC CD-ROM version.

>I've tried following the directions on the disk for
>running it, and also making a boot disk to run it.

>Basically my problems are these:

>Sound doesn't come out of the Disney Sound Source in
>the opening screen, nor in the bedroom when you poke on
>various objects.  I still don't get any Sound Card sound.
>When the goose finally lands, the hand that was where
>the mouse pointer was, disappears, and I have no control
>over anything else.

>I've been on the phone with their technicians for a long
>time the last week, and they can't seem to pinpoint it.

>Has anybody else had this problem?

>Hi Justin,
>        I bought M.M Goose early this year and had nothing but
>trouble with it I'm afraid.  First off you should have two CD's, one
>red, one blue.  The red contains digitized sound suitable for a sound
>card.  The blue contains an audio sound track that play's through the
>audio output on your cd player (Beware, if the cd player is slow i.e
>500mS access it won't play correctly).  In the end I exchanged our
>M.M Goose for Kings Quest V.  Sierra are very helpfull though, so do
>keep in touch with them.

>                                    Joules
>                          Sheffield Hallam University

Just to let you know my status on this problem:

I called the Disney BBS, and downloaded their Windows 3.1 sound
source driver, and decided to try installing MUMG through windows.
It worked!  However, Windows seems to slow down the CD-ROM drive
I have (Toshiba 3301B - 325ms) and consequently the animation and 
sound with intermittent pauses.  Really annoying.  I've experienced
a couple of glitched parts with it during the course of play.

I would still like to get it to run via DOS, but the Sierra On-Line
folks didn't help much.  I'm going to send my disk in and get a
replacement disk.  They seem to think it will help.  I don't think
so, since it seems to be a driver problem.  

They did offer me a refund, but I've got a daughter that just loves
this game, and I'd hate to break her heart on this.  I guess for now
I'm stuck with intermittent blank spots and jerky animation, until
1) I decide to buy a sound board, or 2) I decide to trash it.

I did ask if anybody had actually tried to run this disk in the same
configuration that I did.  They replied that they hadn't.  I suggested
it.  Someone will supposedly take the disk home and check it out on 
their home system and see if they have the same problems.


Julian, as far as what disks I have.  I only have the one, which says
"MPC" on it.  It seems to be a newer one than the red and blue disks.


Anyway, that's where it stands.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bes@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU ("Barbara E. Scott ")
Subject: cdrom encyclopedias
Reply-To: "Barbara E. Scott <bes@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>"              <bes@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:37:56 GMT

Which is the encyclopedia that when you look up volcano you get
an erupting volcano as well as descriptive material. Where can
you get it and does anyone know how much?
I have a cdrom but very limited cds to go with it so I have been
following the NET very closely to try to discover where you can
buy cdroms by themselves without having to buy hardware and or
paying double the price of cd packages. Has there been a solution
to this problem yet that I may have missed?
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: GE777010@BROWNVM.BITNET (Bill Collins)
Subject: Re: Simtel20
Reply-To: Bill Collins <GE777010@BROWNVM.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:17:50 GMT

>Posted on 14 Aug 1992 at 12:00:49 by Archie Warnock
>
>Re: Simtel20
>
>Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:43:13 GMT
>Reply-To:     Archie Warnock <warnock@HYPATIA.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
>From:         Archie Warnock <warnock@HYPATIA.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
>
>In article <CDROM-L%92081322213867@UCCVMA.UCOP.EDU>, SG919C@GWUVM.BITNET (Raad
> Alhamdan) writes:
>|> If you have the Night Owl 6.0 you know what I am talking about.. You only
>|> run one program and then every thing is automaticly done!
>|>
>|> Any ideas about this...
>
>Sure - _you_ could write a program to do this and post it to the net.
>The index is on the disk, isn't it?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- Archie Warnock                   Internet:  warnock@hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov
>-- Hughes STX                       "Unix --- JCL For The 90s"
>-- NASA/GSFC

Archie has a good idea here.  I personally like the Simtel and Windows 3
discs (just received the Windows disc!) very much.  Walnut Creek (Bob Bruce
and company) should be congratulated for making gigabytes of software
available to the general public at low cost.  Personally, I find the Simtel
and Windows disks very easy to work with.

                                        Bill
From: Alex.Hahn@f408.n107.z1.ieee.org (Alex Hahn)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Laser Magnetics Storage I
Date: 12 Aug 92 05:02:06 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/408 - Starcom Syste, Eatontown NJ

Here is the number for the Philips BBS: 310-532-6436.  Perhaps the
drivers you need are posted there.  Good luck.

Alex Hahn



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