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From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: 48 hours show on LSD, important question!
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:54:52 GMT

In article <C0Kp98.865@sdf.lonestar.org> df@sdf.lonestar.org (daniel finster) writes:

>  Watching the show wednesday, I got somewhat concerned about what they were
>saying about LSD permanetly frying your brain, so that from then on you
>will always be seeing things in a strange way, like those 3 guys on the show.
>Does this actually happen?  or is it merely another "chromosome damage" type
>argument?  Please mail or post any information you have about this.

People have had psychiatric problems after LSD use, that much is well
documented (Rick Strassman wrote a review article on adverse reactions
to psychedelic drugs a while back, for example).  The question is what
role, if any, did the LSD play in these problems.  There isn't a whole
lot of good data on this.  Possibilities are: LSD caused them; LSD
triggered latent problems; or LSD played no role in the problems.

If there were such a thing as LSD-induced psychosis [or whatever
word you prefer], then we would expect it to be different from non-
LSD-induced psychosis.  For example, it might have a different time
course.  However, what little data there is seems to point towards
LSD-linked psychosis being the same thing as normal psychosis (and
therefore not truly a separate syndrome).  If it is not a separate
syndrome, than there doesn't seem to be much reason for thinking
LSD caused it.  However, it is possible that LSD could trigger psychosis 
in people who were "latent psychotics."  It is also possible, and this is 
where I cast my vote, that the people who eat acid like candy over long 
periods of time are odd enough that you should expect an unusually high 
incidence of mental disorders among them anyway.  This would be
particularly true if high LSD use were sometimes an indicator that
the user was going through a difficult transition in life.  

The other factor is that LSD, being an inducer of powerful experiences, can 
cause (presumably) nonchronic PSTD (post-traumatic stress disorder).  Now,
I don't know if symptoms of PTSD extend to changes in visual perception,
that would be a question for sci.med.  
  
  Particularly,
>if it is true, about what percentage of people acquire this, and after how many
>trips?  Thanks a lot.

My personal feeling is that LSD-linked problems are cognitively mediated,
so rather than asking about percentages and worrying about whether you
or a friend will lose it, you should just watch out that you and your
friends don't stray too far from consensus reality when you're not
on anything.  

I've had several friends who have gone through difficult
times while they were simultaneously using a lot of psychedelics.
Some got pretty wigged out, but their thinking stablized as their
lives did.

One of the best discussions of problems after LSD use that I've
read is in Bakalar and Grinspoon's _Psychedelics Reconsidered_.

>-- 
>daniel finster   df@sdf.lonestar.org  ...!seas.smu.edu!letni!sdf!df


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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:45:10 GMT

bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) writes:
: 
: First off, dogs in general have better senses of smell than 
: humans.  In fact, they can smell up to 1 billionth of a gram 
: of cocaine.  Even though a concentration of at least 1 
: millionth of a gram is necessary for scientific cause to 
: assume that drugs are nearby or have been nearby the located 
: object.

I suspect that any random bill that you can grab out of your
billfold will have that much cocaine contamination. I guess
that gives cops the right to search anywhere they feel like.
After all, there is "scientific cause". Bah!

Bill
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From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Bucko Gizm)
Subject: xx:  best beer
Organization: Dead Animal Pickup
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:29:56 PST

> Alcohol is a CNS depressant.

	yep.  tends to (like many other things) follow the emotional pattern
before consumption...

> 
> It tends to make me happy and stupid.

	in the words of a friend, i become "goofy as all hell."  that was after
a liter of popov.

> 
> I never experience "negativity" or get violent on alcohol.

	some people never do, and others  seem genetically inclined to become
asshole drunks.  i think it has a lot to do with general state of mind.  

> 
> I also just turned 21 on 12/25/92 =)

	damnably happy xmas!

> 
> and my stomach can still feel that brandy from last night...
> 
> but I still can't remember how or when I got home...

	the important part being you got home...i hate waking up in strange
cars, houses, people...

> 
> -- 
> Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
>   "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
>                                       -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Kid on 48 Hours
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:39:06 GMT

dlr@well.sf.ca.us (David L Racette) writes:
>>About that kid on 48 Hours who unfortunately mailed the LSD to his *friend*,
>>I'm assuming that the guy was out-of-state. So that being the case, would his 
>>punishment be necessarily different had he mailed it to somebody that lived
>>in the same state? I know that once you cross state lines, the Feds start
>>to get in the action.

>Selling LSD is a Class A FELONY. I don't think it makes any differnce
>whether you cross state lines or not.

Not sure if it's the same kid, but I think so - a few months back there
was an article about a "kid" that was busted here that supposedly had
met some guy at a dead show or two, and the guy asked him over a couple
of different occasions if he knew where the kid could get any doses...
the article I read in the SF Chronicle about that case was suggesting
that the kid was set up, entrapped, badgered over a year or so to help
this guy get some "doses" and when he finally did he found out later it
was a DEA setup. He did it because somebody offered him piles of cash
and bugged him until he was willing to help... I really can't say it's
the same case, but I think it is because it sounded so similar. 

 - Malcolm
From: darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mushrooms
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 04:07:01 GMT
Organization: Scarla Development
Reply-To: darinf@scarla.UUCP


In article <1i8jh1INNl55@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU writes:

 > 
 > darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher) writes:
 > 
 > >Does anyone have any advise on countering the common side effects of 
 > >mushrooms.  i.e. nasea, stomach cramps, coming down.
 > 
 > I don't know what sort of mushrooms you are eating, but I have
 > never had such effects, and don't know of anyone who has. I
 > do know of some people who suffer anxiety with mushrooms
 > and other psychedelics. Either don't take them, or else
 > take a valium :-).
 > 
 > -- 
 > John Collier                    Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
 > HPS -- U. of Melbourne                  Fax:   +61 3 344 7959
 > Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
 > 
 Well, anyone I've taken them with have always warned me about the 
 stomach cramps.  Maybe I got them because I was expecting them.
 I've done alot of LSD and shrooms twice, the only time I felt any anxiety
 was when I had some mental shit sitting around in my head I hadn't delt
 with.

 As far as coming down, I get the point about "What goes up."  But I was
 hoping....
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Myrrh
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:52:13 GMT

merriam@ac.dal.ca writes:
: Who knows anything about Myrrh.  I've heard that it's psychoacitve.
: True?

No - it is not. It is used as a non-intoxicating incense.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: War on Drugs Project
From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:37:53 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

>> In article <MfGT8mW00iV0I3U0lf@andrew.cmu.edu> Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 
>>>The baseline is this:  I'm doing a project on the War on Drugs through the
>>>1960s to present.  I need help though, I need information.  If any of you
>>>have specific information pertaining to this subject (if it has a source you
>>>can give me, not just word of mouth, but thanks for the effort), I would
>>>greatly appreciate it.  Also, I would also appreciate any sources
>>>(books, articles, etc with statistics whatnot) that could be listed that


Try the Drug Policy Foundation  4801 Massachusetts Ave.,N.W Suite 400
                                Washington,D.C 20016-2087

For a modest sum you can subscibe with them, and receive newsletters and
lists of a wide range of books on the WOSD which they sell.

Also try reading   "Ceremonial Chemistry, The Ritual Persecution of Drugs, 
                    Addicts and Pushers" by Thomas Szasz

and "Marijuana Reconsidered" by Lester Grinspoon 
  (this is *very* incisive look at cannabis and the war against it)
****************************************************************************

Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand
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From: dlr@well.sf.ca.us (David L Racette)
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Keywords: absinthe wormwood Pernod
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:43:46 GMT

In <1993Jan11.195246.23765@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:

>In article <dlr.726602887@well.sf.ca.us> dlr@well.sf.ca.us (David L Racette) writes:
>>The main psychoactive ingrediant of absinthe is ETOH, ethyl alcohol or
>>ethanol.

>I don't think that's what was wanted.  The main psychoactive ingredient
>of absinthe, other than EtOH, are, I believe, thujone and thujene.  I
>remember reading somewhere that they were agonists for the proposed
>cannabinoid receptor, but are neurotoxic.


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You are correct about thujone, from absinthol (which is from wormwood).
Everyone
gets excited about Absinthe but no one really realizes it was just another
excuse to get juiced.

The structure of thujone is similar to the cannabinoids also I think but as
you mention it is neurotoxic.
From: dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Clarification on "dextro" post
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:00:10 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I'm sorry, didn't realise I was being vague...I had posted that I would like
info on experiences, suggestions, things to be aware of regarding
dextromethorphan.  I had mistaking just put "dextro" in my original post.

thanks
dave
dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
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From: s306@brems.ii.uib.no (Gunnar Karlsen)
Subject: Absinthe-receipt,please
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:56:30 GMT

Keywords: 

Does anyone have the reciept for making absinthe, which herbs you need and
how much ?
Please e-mail to  s306@brems.ii.uib.no

Thanks 
Gunnar Karlsen , Bergen, Norway
From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 20/20 report on radar border patrols
Date: 10 Jan 1993 10:45:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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<U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>, writes:
>So far no convictions as a result of this 2 billion dollar 
>project(correct if my figures are wrong).  Of course, the 
>government spokesman(again, correct me if wrong) said that 
>more money should be pumped into the program since the 
>evidence that the program is working is that nobody has been
>arrested because drug smugglers have been detered by the 
>program(which in fact is not true).
 
"See!  Our snake-oil pouches really do keep elephants away!
 Our proof is that there aren't any more elephants here!
 Since its working so well as it is, we need more money to 
 make it work better!"
 
[1]  Mere absence of something does not mean that your "cure" 
is what is doing the job.  Maybe you're missing all the 
elephants which paint themselves black to hide in the darkness.
 
[2]  Elephants are continuing to sneak over the border.  Proof 
of this is that a news program was able to fly a small 
airplane directly over a radar installation without the radar 
picking them up.
 
[3]  If the project is working so perfectly, why do they need 
even more money to make it work better?
 
Questions...questions...and no answers!
 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral)
Subject: fun while tripping
Reply-To: hjel@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:12:32 GMT

this is a follow-up to epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu....and to
anyone who wants to read it....

a few years ago my friend wrote me out a list of things i should
do while tripping.  here they are, feel free to add as you wish....
 
	THINGS TO DO WHILE TRIPPING

1. Look at & study everyday objects & ponder their purpose
2. Look in the mirror in bathroom, flip lights on and off
3. Look at ceiling & walls, unfocus your eyes
4. Look at patterns in wood
5. Look at carpet, it may grow
6. Look at hands
	-look at anything with textrue or patterns
7. DON'T look at TV as it will make you sick
	-a good movie is ok though
8. Look at face in mirror and study features
9. Play depth-perception games.  Look at things far away
(stars are best) and try and guess which is closest
10. Draw
11. Look at hallucinations & analyze them. Pretend you are in
english class.  Think of their symbolism.(you had to be in our english class!)
12. Try to read
13. Look at trees
14. Don't think of yourself.  You are unimportant while you are
on this drug.  You are a part of everything you are experiencing
& everything is part of you.  Who you are doesn't matter, all
that matters is waht you are experiencing.
15. Cross eyes and look at things
16. Listen to really good music. Early Zep (II, IV, Houses of the Holy
are awesome). Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is the absolute best,
teh Wall is good to listen to also. Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, anything
you really like is good, classical is good also.
17. Do whatever you like.  Relax, have fun, let the drug
take you  & if you think it might be fun to stand on your
head in the corner or lay under the bed, go ahead.
Don't inhibit yourself!

well taht was written for me back in High School from
a wonderful friend of mine who now is skating professionally.
No one said you have to believe a word of it, and i'm
not saying i follow this to the word, just take it 
all in stride.....enjoy
					-jh
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Disclaimer: the devil made me do it.               -Nirvana
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From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours... let the cascade begin
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:46:58 GMT

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

>I would have loved to get confirmation of the net.rumor that
>the Jacobsen responsible for the original (flawed) chromosome damage study
>was the same Jacobsen who is now in jail for sperm fraud.  Leary also talked
>about the media and LSD hysteria --

Primetime Live repeated a story last week on the "sperm doctor" which
had originally aired back during the spring, I think. In this report they
specifically mention that this doctor was the one who "discovered" that
LSD caused chromosome damage. What bugs me, is tthat TWICE now, firs the
original time it aired, and now the repeat, the same comment was made
both times with no mention at all that that piece of research was
subsequently dismissed as rubbish.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
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From: mikesw@microsoft.com (Mike Swift)
Subject: LSD deaths
Date: 08 Jan 93 01:27:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

Last night on the 48 Hours program, a DEA agent justified the stiff
LSD sentences by mentioning LSD-related deaths.  Does anybody have
real figures on how many people have ever been killed by LSD or
from something directly attributable to LSD?

Thanks

- Mike

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Morning Glory - Again
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:51:20 GMT

an3886@anon.penet.fi (Toker) writes:
: 
: has anyone had any use with the hydroponics they sell for home use (and how much are they...?) phototrons i suppose...

Forget the Phototron. They are overpriced and tend to catch fire.

Bill
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Subject: Re: Want info on HUFFING 
Distribution: world
Organization: Journeyman Limited
Reply-To: journeyman@spliff.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:12:39 +0000

In article <1993Jan9.033503.17998@ncsu.edu> tscorbit@eos.ncsu.edu writes:

>
>YES Gas Huffer is still around. Their last album was on Empty
>records. I'm not sure who put out their new one.

In the UK solvent abuse causes 10 times more deaths per year than
heroine (i can't find the figures at the moment) but i *think*
about 34 people die p/a from solvents and about 3 from smack. The
saddest picture i ever saw was one of two punks on a bench in a
busy shopping centre with their baby daughter holding a plastic
carrier bag to the babies mouth - a common way of abusing many
types of solvents in the uk (police surveilance photograph).

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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: God and alcohol
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:59:41 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan5.191818.22119@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>
>Parents: "I'm sorry, Milo, but we sent your college fund in to Reverend Jim."
		      ^^^^

		      Shouldn't that name be "Otto" (from the movie 'Repo Man')
>
>Rev. Jim (on TV): "You must have *faith* that God will take care of you. 
>    Everything will work out.  Send me that money in your checking account!
>    Sell that second car!  Re-finance your house!  Don't you owe it to God?
>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"


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From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: ABORT A SHEEP FETUS FOR JESUS (the will is unleashed, laughter)
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:20:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Heathen Undergarment), writes:
>How do we know [alcoholism] is a disease?  Despite the 
>elaboration posted in my last message, people are still 
>doubting this, so I elaborate further:  ever hear about how
>most Native Amerikans/Indian reservations are plagued by 
>alcohol problems, _years_ after the traders used rum for the
>purpose of cheating said individuals?  There seems to be proof
>there,
 
Beg to differ.  Don't get me wrong, I think alcoholism is a 
disease; but you aren't using a very good model to prove it.
 
Ever been on a reservation?  Or even any other institution 
created by the government to house Native Americans after we 
kick them off their lands?  Live the way that they do, and 
you'd be looking around for escape routes, such as getting 
drunk!  Sure, if they were still able to roam the fields of 
America free, able to hunt and gather as they pleased, able to 
live without race prejudice like they used to, AND they 
happened to be alcoholics, then you'd have some proof that 
alcoholism is a disease.
 
But saying that the only reason people are heavy drinkers of 
alcohol is due to alcoholism, when there are other pressing 
reasons making the drinking of alcohol seem a great thing to 
do, is attempting to prove your point through ignoring the bad 
data.  This only works in Physics 101 Labs; not in the real 
world...
 
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.abortion
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on abortifacents
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:00:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.230450.11617@infonode.ingr.com> barksdaf@infonode.ingr.com (Alan F. Barksdale) writes:

>Think of it as evolution in action.

I don't condone this sentiment, but if you're going to think it, you
might as well get your terms accurate and say "natural selection in action."