HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zitsky+@cs.cmu.edu (Mark Ryan Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:48:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C032tA.8ux.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <92364.223718MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> <MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Regarding a previous post that got a good deal of response about the thought
>of curing homosexuality, most people on the net seem strongly opposed to whole
>idea of a cure.  But what about those people that really struggle with their
>sexuality and really don't want to be "homosexual."  Most often they deny their
>sexual feelings for religion reasons.  I know-I know the Bible may not be very

Well!  There was a time when I _thought_ I didn't want to be homosexual.
As I discovered, it wasn't because I wanted to be straight, it was because
the Christians messed me up so much that I was ashamed of being gay!
(Yes, I did read a book called _You Don't Have to be Gay_)

I suppose some of these same people have been so brainwashed by Christian
groups that they can't accept themselves.  Granted, maybe some don't
want to be gay, and more power to them.  But that doesn't mean that the
rest of us want to be straight.

--Mark
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: 50 most popular motss.pix photos 10/21-12/26/92
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:04:15 GMT

> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>How many pictures of me are there out there?  Sheesh, people will think
>that I get around or something...

Don't forget your *faaabulous* boots have a co-starring
role in *my* portrait...

Rod (in a shameless bid to make the next Top-50 list :-))
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From: 00daspeakman@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman, Ball State University)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:00:08 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec22.002250.14871@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.141228.13237@bsu-ucs> 00daspeakman@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman, Ball State University) writes:
>>>WE do need a division. I don't know about your guys, but I do not have
>>>the time to wade through literally thousands of postings each day.
> 
> According to news.lists, the figure is 2117 articles in the
> two-week period measured, or ~150 posts/day.
> 
> BZZZT! Improper use of the word "literally"; ten yards.
> -- 
> Andrew Solovay    

O.K.  Guilty.

I'll remind myself 5 million times a day not to exaggerate.

Good enough?

;)
David
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:55:02 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:


>In article <1992Dec31.143113.16490@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>|> It was, as they say, a somber meal.  Not.  Of course, with
>|> Steven Levine and Michael Siemon adding their humorless presences
>|> and long faces to the event, nobody had any fun at all.

>I moped all through dinner, through cocktails with
>Steven and Dave, and through looking-at-motss-photos.

>In fact, I'm *still* downcast!

Now see? That's what I hate the most about living in podunky ol' Omaha.
I'm always so *cheerful*! Noone ever comes here, so I have no chance to
get good and miserable like the people in New York, who always have
strange and exotic people coming from all over the United States to make
them feel unhappy. I haven't been depressed by a visitor for months. It's
just not fair.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:49:28 GMT

kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106)) writes:

>Also, please don't take this posting as my condemning the boycott of
>Colorado.  If I didn't live here, I'd be screaming for it!  I'm not
>about to apologize for Colorado, 53% of the voters did a very hateful
>thing on Election Day!

>It is unfortunate that a boycott of Colorado is going to hurt the areas
>that voted no.  Denver's convention business is going to be hurt, and
>the City and County of Denver voted no 40-60%.  (The Denver metro area
>barely defeated the amendment though, 49.8-50.2%.)  The ski resorts
>such as Winter Park, Steamboat Springs, Keystone, Breckenridge, Copper
>Mountain, Aspen, Vail, Crested Butte, Telluride, and Purgatory all no,
>by wide margins -- the largest margins were in Pitkin County (Aspen),
>San Miguel County (Telluride), Eagle County (Vail, Beaver Creek), and
>Summit County (Breckenridge, Copper Mountain, Keystone, Arapahoe
>Basin).  But, there are only two ways for out-of-staters to show their
>outrage at Colorado for passing Amendment 2 -- a boycott (which has
>been keeping Amendment #2 in the news since the election) and by
>sending money to organizations fighting Amendment 2.

	All well and good --- I fail to see why then, that so
many Coloradoans and Colorado businesses are spending more time
telling us why we shouldn't penalize them for CO:2 than they
are screaming to the power that be to have it removed.  To be
perfectly honest, I have not heard anything other than the 
complaint issued by the city of Boulder that was co-signed
by Martina Navratolova.  On the other hand, though, there doesn't
seem to be any shortage of people pleading for economic clemency
on behalf of <fill in supposed supportive community here>.

	The fact is, that no matter what an individual town/county
did on 11/3, the net effect was that more people voted for bigotry
that voted against it.  Even in such supposedly enlightened
places such as Aspen and Boulder there were certainly enough
people who voted YES on 2, that I could spin in a circle, pissing,
and hit more than one.  While standing in line in McDonalds, the
odds are that either the person in front of me or in back of me
voted to take away my rights.

	People who are worried about how my not spending $$$ in
CO will affect them should have done some more thinking prior
to 11/3.

	I would appreciate if people in CO would post about what
efforts are going on in CO to repeal CO:2 (as opposed to the
4,516th reason why a boycott should be selective)...  I realize
that Kevin put a LOT of effort into No on 2 - and that he does
understand the boycott...  I'm just a little weary of every
mention of CO:2 having some obilgatory statement trying to 
instill guilt in irate out-of-staters...

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:08:16 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) quotes:
>>>>>> >				Guisseppe Verdi
>>>>>> 				^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>>>> Sacrilege!  Impiety! Desecration! PERFIDIA!!!
>>>>
>>>>>Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!  Maledizione!
>>>>
>>>>Morte, morte.  Addio (ancora)!

>>>Il piangere non vale.

>>O cessate di piagarmi.

>Awww...L'Italiana in Algieri, La Cerentola, and a big La Gazza Ladra
>to you, too.  :-)

Uh... uh... Gia-il sole dal gange.

(There; that's my Italian repertoire. I'm going to leave now, before
someone asks for translations...)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:08:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec31.002311.28876@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil
Snodgrass) wrote:

> Married people all over the country are asking that their companies help
> with child care...they are pushing the U.S. government real hard on
> this one.  Again we have to pay for their children....

I, for one, do not mind paying extra in support of other people's
children.  "Other people's children" are the future of the
country.  Without them, all the fucking selfish faeries in the
world don't count for the shit in a baby basket.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:17:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.062520.3441@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|In article <1993Jan2.212719.23359@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
|[in answer to my question "how does one loiter in a bar without
|feeling self conscious about it?"]
|
|>Well, what I do is wander in with a copy of some railroad book or
|>literary magazine, [...]
|
|I suppose that would work.  But I've never seen a person with a book
|in a bar, and aren't most bars too dark anyway?

   It depends on the bar, of course.  When I was trapped in the
Twin Cities, there was a nice little neighborhood bar that I would
frequent and lug copies of The New Yorker to.  Only got picked up
once there, though, and that was by an ex-boyfriend. (This bar
tried it's best to imitate a pub, so was a wee bit more laid-back
than the run of the mill bar; though I've also lugged books and
magazines into straight bars so I can have something to do while
there.)
               ____
 david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
                \/
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ageism (>when does a boy become a man?)
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:37:39 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>I don't see how you can equate paedophilia, the desire to have sex
>with children, with being interested in people who are "young". Most
>of the erotic images I see in gay male culture are people who look to
>be between 17 and 27. This is not what a reasonable person would call
>paedophilia, is it?

No.  But of course, that leaves out most states of the Union to qualify as 
"reasonable."
  
I conduct a discussion group at Avenel, NJ's prison for sex offenders. One man
described his "crime" for us on Sunday night.   His stepson came into the
room while he, the step-father, was watching an adult het film.  The son
stopped to watch for a while too.  Each noticed the other's boners.  In
time, the step-father masturbated.  The step-son did so too.   Soon they
moved closer and fondled each other to orgasm.   

This happened again on another occasion, once.

The step-son then told his mother, who was scandalized and told the police.
The step-father is now divorced and likely to serve 12 years of his 18-year 
sentence.

How old was the "boy"?  

17 at the time.

A court-appointed lawyer told the step-father that he would end up in
Rahway, a much meaner place, if he reported the events as they actually 
happened, that he needed a diagnosis of "compulsive," so that he could go
to a more comfortable prison (Avenel).  So he lied and said that he had
penetrated the anus of the "boy" twice.   That made him compulsive and 
eligible for the "nicer" jail.  It's nicer in that all the people there did 
similar "crimes" and are thus not likely to push you around for being 
a child-molester, as at Rahway, where only murderers and extortioners are
considered "good guys."  But at Rahway, persons serve typically only 
one-third of their sentences before parole.  At Avenel, they almost 
always serve two-thirds.  I.e., if you want a short sentence, blow someone's
brains out or steal all her money.  If you want a long sentence, fondle
a 17-year-old consenting person.

What if the 17-year-old had become 18 a night after the second fondling?

Even then he would have still be 18 and this would have been a heinous
crime!

I am not talking about life behind the Cotton Curtain where I was brought 
up (nee Alabama, 1936); I am talking about New Jersey, which recently became 
the third state to have antidiscrimination protection for lesbigays!

This man's case is not rare.

Who watches the watchers?

Quean Lutibelle/Louie

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Happy New Year!!!!
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:59:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec31.005930.29815
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


I am praying for world peace, love and all of that other stuff!!!

Also want them to put a spell finder on this thing!!!!

But I will promise to pick a dictionary up more than once a month.
I will lose it as a learning tool!!!

Good luck everyone out there!  It will get better....not a promise....but
it will.....

Have learned much from many of you and really do appriciate the patients
and sharing that so many of you have shown to me this year!!!

Bil Snodgrass III
(Bye faar the worseteset spellar on the net!!!)
From: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Miracle cure for homophobic states
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:04:40 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1hteuoINN9em@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
> d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
>> We now enter another dream scenario sponsored by David Speakman...
>> 
>> On Jan 21, President Clinton signs an omnibus executive order outlawing
>> discrimination against the lesbigay community in all federal employment and
>> withholds federal funding from all states, municipalities and other local
>> governments with ant-gay rights laws.
> 
> You know, that may not be a bad idea...there might be legality 
> problems with the funding thing, but does the Fed have an 
> EE statement that covers sexual orientation?  They should. 
> 

Remember when Washington kept hiway funds from states that didn't pass seatbelt
laws.  It would be totally legal. According to the courts, just because a state
pays federal taxes, doesn't mean is has the right to get them back in funding.

David Speakman
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:31:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> 
> Then why are you preaching to the choir? 

Because so many members of the chior seem determined to let the whole 
thing degenerate into the battle of wills it has become, while the 
real issue gets lost, and people become turned off to the whole deal
and want no part of it.  Kinda like me and punctuation..:-). 

The rest of that monster paragraph explains why. 

> The amendment passed because
> a powerful group of religious fundamentalists wants to control the thoughts
> and actions of the entire nation.  As part of their agenda, they used a lot
> of misinformation to disguise their bigotry and hatred, and a majority
> of the voters of Colorado were not smart enough to realize what was going
> on and voted away the civil rights of a large portion of the citizens of
> your state.  It's that simple.  We all understand it.  It seems that the 
> people you need to preach to are the people of Colorado, not the people of
> soc.motss.

I also tell this to the people I know here.  As for the people here, some of 
them manage to take what I've said and twist it to say that *I* think 
gays want to have quotas.   A co-worker here saw one of the articles,  
and just shook his head.  People are getting so turned off by the attitudes, 
that they are losing sight of 'doing the right thing'.  Which is really too 
bad, 'cause the whole deal is likely to get killed for being unconstitutional. 
Hopefully, anyways.  And what will be left is the memory of the boycott 
and all the 'hate' rhetoric (which is patently absurd) that went along 
with it.  And all this rhetoric before the thing has even become law yet. 

> Nothing you say will get people to buy any product from the State of
> Colorado they do not wish to buy, or to visit when they do not wish to
> do so.

And nothing other people say or do is going to change the way people by 
resorting to coercive acts; the best it can do is change surface actions, 
and harden deeper resentments, which will end up finding ugly ways to 
show itself.  And who is going to be helped by that, except those who 
*want* to see division? 

Walter
 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss)
Organization: Jenny Agutter Fan Club
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:34:09 +0000

In article <BzF7os.Ap4@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>
>soc.motss.info -- would discussion take place here?  If it's just
>an archive would soc.motss.announce would be a better title?

I don't think announce is the right title for an info group. I would
imagine that such a group could carry documents, like texts of laws,
and maybe stuff like monthly postings of safer sex information and
contact phone numbers.

Those last two strike me as something that it could be very useful to
have around whenever they're needed. It'd be good to see postings like
that somewhere in the new hierarchy.

Nigel.
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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:37:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.32
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1993Jan1.213315.27332@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I'm so annoyed with this thread, that I'm going to post this one
>flame. Walter seems to be turning into our new Cr*m*r.

I was thinking the same thing.  They both came into this group pretending
to be open minded so we would befriend them and be grateful for the 
opportunity to prove our worthiness as people.  When we didn't
do our song and dance for them like trained poodles, their posts became 
more and more confrontational.  Eventually they ended up sulking about 
how they now understand why gays are hated so much.  Of course, Cramer 
took it a step further and synthesized an elaborate pseudo-science proving 
mathematically why homosexuals are evil people.

When will they learn?  When will they learn?

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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Need A Date for a HS reunion (New Jersey)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:04:02 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <1992Dec20.181401.12577@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <1992Dec20.082718.25907@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec20.073841.23710@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald 
>>Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>>
>>>*throws his hand up in the air!*
>>>
>>>I'll go!!!  Then they'll really talk!
>>
>>Excellent idea!  Tom, take him up on it.  
>>
>>Who knows, maybe something besides his hand will end up in the air. 

>Tom,

>You send that boy a train ticket *THIS* INSTANT or no more punishment
>for *YOU*


Oh boy!  I got a date and a new incentive!

I'm so excited!  I'm going to run into my room and blast, "It's Raining Men"
by The Weather Girls at full volume!

Tom
P.S.  Wait, does this guy have a GIF in the motss.pix archive?
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:02:20 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1ht8hqINN77v@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>> >OK, Mike.  Show me where I have.  Put up, or quit blubbering. 

>> I will as soon as I can get at some older posts.
>> And there's our word of the day again....

>It just fits soooo well...maybe I can save you a little time on this 
>one.  WHY would I be saying that the reason #2 passed is because 
>people thought gay-rights groups would ask for quotas, if I was 
>saying that they already HAD them?   

This is it, and into the kill file you go, Walter.

You're engaging in circular arguments, then squawking when people
point it out to you.

If you want to be taken seriously, just stay consistent in your 
arguments.  If you alter your stance on an issue, let your fellow
net'ters know.  Don't attack them when they point out the inconsistency
of your statements.

You're obviously not interested in any type intercourse concerning the
amendment -- you just want to find someone on whom you can use your
'insults du jour'.

Dump on someone else who will take it, Walter.

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Last night on television
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:45:04 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


PBS, in the American Playhouse series, ran the Canadian film
_Strangers in Good Company_, about a group of women who are
no longer "of a certain age" stranded in the middle of nowhere
when their bus breaks down.

Even my spouse, who grudgingly gave up our more usual
action-packed Monday night fare, was captivated.  (And we
certainly wouldn't have seen it if Tovah Hollander hadn't
phoned-- just before I went out to lunch with Emily Rizzo--
to let me know it was happening.)

Now, if the preceding cast of characters isn't enough name 
dropping to provide the ObMotss, one of the characters
comes out to another in as gentle a conversation as you
could imagine.  Well, actually, there are lots of comings
out, but only one, I think, as a lesbian.

My favorite part:  the panty-hose fishnet.  Both when they
set it up and when it works.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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