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From: swain@girtab.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 4 Oct 1992 18:14:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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In article <aelman.717975852@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) writes:
>>   At least we can agree that USC's band sucks.
>
>>There are just some things in the universe you don't question.
>
>Damn straight. :-)
>
>>David Paschich
>
>Adam Elman

As a member of the Trojan Marching Band, I was at first inclined to be upset
at your remarks.  But then I remembered that 1)Our alumni do not boo the band,
our football coach does not hate the band, and our fans love the band.  Our job
 is to irritate the opposing team and take them out of the game. Most of the 
times we succeed, other times we don't.  At all times we support our team.

I can understand your hatred of us. Most people from Pac-10 or Big-10 schools
don't like us with good reason.  However, I point towards a certain
Sports Illustrated article in which they reconized the Trojan Marching Band as
the 2nd best band in the nation, just behind Florida A&M.

I know many people who hate USC, but love the band.  We have taken our entire
band to Notre Dame and played a halftime show that got more applause than
their own band.  We've had the fans at Cal throw fruit at us, and still nailed
the drill.  We may be arrogant assholes, but when we are out on the field, I
challenge you to find a band that marches as hard as we do, and yes, we do
not take music onto the field at any time.  I challenge you to find a band that
starts practice at 7am and goes for 5 hours on non-game days, and much longer
when we have games.  I challenge you to find a band that NEVER sits down, at
any time during the game.  I challenge you to find a band that after spending
3 hour of almost continuos playing, still has the energy to play a 45 minute 
post game concert which attracts many fans from the opposing school as well as
our fans.

In other words, you may hate us, we may be arrogant, but we still are the
Best Marching Band in the History of the Universe.

Fight On! Beat the Farm! Beat the Bears! Beat the bruins!
Ronnie Swain
swain@aludra.usc.edu
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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Major Top 25 Poll Injustice 
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:38:52 GMT

In spite of their 3 game winning streak...
In spite of their nationally ranked (#11) scoring defense...
In spite of their darkhorse Heisman candidate QB "Dandy" Dan Freiburger...

Southern Methodist University is getting no respect from the pollsters.
I'm not crying for an actual ranking in the 20-25 range (those are reserved
for Eastern teams which pile up good records against poor competition), but
SMU should at least be one of the OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES.

I am apparently not alone in this assessment.  One of our net wizard writes:

>This week #59 SMU (3-1) is the only five star pick against #81 Baylor (1-3).
>Last week they were also a five star pick to beat TCU, a 5.5 point favorite,
>outright and did 21-9.  They get my computer's 'no respect' award.  Florida
>
>Bapi

Did you see that?  The Bapi Gupta 'No Repsect' Award.  A ringing endorsement 
indeed.  One of our other netters provides another endorsement :

>>Granted SMU is the second best team in the SWC  (of course A&M is best), but
>>they have the Heisman candidate...
>>
>>Go Aggies

"SMU is the second best team in the SWC."  If the ACC and the Pac Ten can have
4-5 teams each in the Top 25, one would have to realize that "the second best
team in the SWC should be ranked, or at least be OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES.

The facts :
1.  SMU is on a 3 game win streak.  Their only blemish was a one-point loss due
to a missed 35 yard field goal on the final play of the game.
2.  SMU's defense has allowed 13,14,13, and 9 points in their 4 games.
3.  SMU has three proven QB's.  Todd Ritz nearly led the Ponies to an upset
	of bowl-bound Tulsa (26-31) in the final game last season.  Mike Romo
	has broken all of the SMU passing records before being slowed by a 		knee injury (yes, even Don Meredith's records).  And last, but of    
	course not least, darkhorse Heisman candidate "Dandy" Dan Freiburger
	is coming of his best game, a 371 yard thrashing of the Mighty
	Horned Frogs of TCU.

Please take these facts under consideration when casting your vote for the 
Gupta poll.  Don't let this injustice happen again.

GT
From: atchison@lyre.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 2-point conversion (was: Re: UW - OSU)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct5.213439.23786
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <1992Oct5.184058.16676@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

 [...stuff deleted...]

>Until you're down to the final 2 or 3 minutes, when you're chances of
>getting a 90-second possession start to diminish rapidly, I always want
>my team's coach to play conservatively ("for the tie"); to call for a
>2-point conversion down just 4 points with 4:30 left as Cooper did is
>just plain stupid.

   Stupid it may have been, and *everybody* has 20/20 hindsight, but I don't 
think it's going out on too much of a limb to say that going for, and getting,
a tie would have resulted in a hell of a lot more grief for Cooper.

   As it turned out, the local media slant was 'the players did not perform'.
Had the Bucks ended up in a sister-kiss, Coop's head would'a rolled.

   "Why didn't you think you could score another TD...why did you give in to
*Wisconsin*...why did you take the win out of the kids' hands...etc..."
   
   I didn't want a tie.  (I wouldn't, however, have minded avoiding the
numerous backfield mixups in crucial scoring situations...)

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Jayhawk Posting #19
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:32:13 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

From the Thursday, October 1, 1992, issue of the University Daily Kansan

FOOTBALL PLAYERS GET NEEDED FOUR-DAY REST
by David Bartkoski, Kansan sportswriter

   The Kansas football team played its first four games during a 19-day stretch
and had only four days to prepare for the California game on September 24. 
They now have 16 days to prepare for one game.
   After losing to Cal 27-23 one week ago, the Jayhawks will not play again
until Kansas State rolls into town on October 10th.
   Junior linebacker Larry Thiel said he was a little surprised when Coach Glen
Mason decided to give the Jayhawks four days off.  Kansas did not practice
Friday through Monday.  He said Mason usually took advantage of all available
time. But Thiel said he thought the time off would help the players. "It gave
them a chance to get away from the game for a while," he said. "I thought it
was a good coaching move."
   Mason said the Jayhawks looked a little rusty in Tuesday's practice, but he
was not too concerned.  It was Kansas' first practice in six days.  "It's like
going back to work after vacation," he said.  "But we had a tough practice, and
I thought we got a lot accomplished.  We got a good start on our preparations."
   Outside linebacker coach Mitch Browning said it was natural for a team to be
a little out of sync in this situation.  "I think any time you give them a
couple of days off, they tend to lose their focus," he said.
   Thiel said he felt the effects of having four days off.  "Today, I kind of
felt awkward coming back on the field," he said.  "But I think everyone on the
team felt better with the time off." Thiel said that he and his teammates 
wanted to maintain a high level of play and reinforce the attitude they had 
prior to the California game,
   Browning said he thought having a off week at this point in the season was 
good for the Jayhawks. "It gives the players a chance to get their feet back
underneath them," he said. "You'd like to think it would help with healing
injuries and your preparation for the next game." Although the players had four
days off, Browning said, the coaches worked during that time, evaluating film
and preparing for the K-State game. Browning said the team would work on
fundamentals, correct mistakes from the first four games and prepare for
K-State in upcoming practices.
   The Wildcats beat Kansas 16-12 last season in Manhattan. In practice, Kansas
players are wearing purple shirts with 16-12 on the front to remind them of
last year's defeat.

Posted to r.s.f.c. by "Kansas Mary."
From: paasch@engr.cs.orst.edu (Bob Paasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal 42, Oregon St. 0
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:38:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <1am0inINN9o5@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>The only thing missing from this game (surprisingly) was a lack of a strong
>running game on the part of California's Russell White.  I think White
>only had 75 yards on the day.  However, White was pulled out of the game
>in the third quarter because the Bears were leading by so much.  On the
>one hand, it's a nice thing to do to the opposing team.  However, it 
>hurts his Heisman chances.  I guess they're seeing the inevitability
>of Faulk winning the Heisman because San Diego State plays in the 
>non-defense WAC.

Pettibone had stated that they were going to key on the run.  They can't
pass defense, so they have to do something.  It WILL cost Russell in the
eyes of the voters, but it's still a long way to December.  I suspect a
good showing in a national game (maybe UCLA or the big game, depending
on what happens next weekend) would help his chances.  I'd say all
three Florida QB's slipped some this weekend, as did Mirer.

>
>Can someone please give an answer as to why Oregon State plays the wishbone
>and hardly ever passes?  What does coach Pettibone give as his reason
>for not developing the passing game?  
 
 Pettibone went to the bone because of OSU's trouble recruiting pro style
 (passing oriented) offensive players. This is especially true in a small
 state like Oregon, where most of the good pro style players end up
 at the U of O.  It gives him some advantage in California, also.  I think
 the best we could hope for with such an attack would be mid-level (5th
 or 6th)  in the Pac 10.  It remains to be seen whether OSU can get there.
 If they can, it would be a vast improvement over 10th every year.

 As an old blue, I hope the Bears can use some of the momentum from the
 OSU game in the Washington game next week.  If they play like they are
 capable, (like in last years UW game) i think the Bears can give the
 Huskies a run for their money.  With Arizona's win last night, the 
 idea of two undefeated Pac 10 teams is pretty slight, but I think both
 Cal and Stanfurd are capable of upsetting UW.  Doesn't UW play the trees
 in Palo Alto?  I'd say Stanfurd showed yesterday they can play with
 anybody.  Then again, maybe ND is showing what they are really made of. 
 They have yet to beat anyone with a winning record.

 I also think UCLA will go down to defeat against one of the other 
 California schools.  They are at Cal this year.
From: ds4@soc6.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU v. Miami
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:16:56 GMT

In article <BvAMrM.BC9@news.larc.nasa.gov>, ohmann@sabaad.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale Douglas) writes:
|> Both teams need a better running game.  Toretta is good but his protection
|> and receivers are not as good as in previous years.  FSU needs a better 

True, Toretta has no protection at all, however their receiving corp is probably
the best in the nation.


|> In the end: (Prediction)
|> 
|> 	FSU    20
FSU will not score 20 points on Miami.

|>         Miami  19

This is very possible looking at last week....what a headache. 
 
|> =============================================
|> |  I brake for all animals, except Gators.  |
Funny...

|> |  Go 'Noles:  Execute the Convicts!        |
|> =============================================

Not.... :)
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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: Could there be 3 nat'l champs?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:37:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.160150.29145@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
>I was wondering earlier - 
>Colorado goes 11-0, with a Orange Bowl bid,
>A&M goes 11-0, with a Cotton Bowl bid,
>Washington goes 11-0, with a Rose Bowl bid,

We can do better than that.  UCLA wins the remaining pac 10 games
and they get the Rose Bowl bid leaving Washington
to pick among these three.  Washington decides to go to the Fiesta
and play some nobody.  Then we could rag Washington like we do Miami. :)

>Tennessee goes 11-0, with a Sugar Bowl bid.
>
>Does anyone see a lil problem?
>Weirder things have been known to happen, but I can't see Tennessee, A&M, 
>or Washington losing this year. Colorado has an excellent chance at 11-0,
>as does Florida State, Virginia, and Penn State.
>So, out of those 7, 5 would have to play where they have to play. the other 
>two may or may not get to move. 
>Things wouldn't be that bad if Miami was 11-0, 'cause then they'd get home 
>field advantage and flatten Colorado with 200 yards of taunting penalties.
>But wouldn't a season like this (all in theory - really, I can see only the 
>four above as close to locks on undefeated seasons) really call for a 
>playoff system??
>
>Just another man's opinion,
>-- 
>Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
>Hobbes:"Why do we always play war and not peace?"|Currently at:
>Calvin:"Too few role models."                    |Box 1143
>Ren-n-Stimpy in '92! Vote for a real cartoon!    |Boulder, CO 80306


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From: Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu (Kevin Buttler )
Subject: Re: Purdue-Notre Dame prediction
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of Notre Dame-Multi media Lab
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:49:27 GMT

In article <Bv5wEC.HyH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, lillie@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
> 
> Oh Kevin,
> 	After reading the limited options you presented I thought I'd offer
> a few more. These refer to the Notre Dame ego:
> 			1) You can blame Lou for everything, especially for
> 			   his conservative play calling.(Remember Penn State)
> 			2) Everybody wants to go to Notre Dame because they
> 			   need to build their own baseball stadium.
> 			   (The Cove isn't good enough?)
> 			3) Remember the good ole' days when we had Gerry Faust.
> 

Oh Chris,
	Really...I haven't meant too many Purdue students (or alum for that
matter)
that love their school as much as you do.  After standing in the rain
for 4 hours today and watching the Irish beat the piss out the boilers,
I began to wonder why any one would consider hyping Purdue.
				a) your team sucks
				b) your campus is a dump
				c) and your engineering program is overrated (entirely)

> By the way their are no Notre Dame "wanna be" Purdue Alums, because no
> Purdue graduates would lower their standards that far.
> 
In regards to that comment...I'm glad your proud of your school and all
as long as you can accept the fact they you will still work for us some
day!



Kevin Buttler
Instructional Technology Lab
University of Notre Dame
E-mail:  Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: 2-point conversion (was: Re: UW - OSU)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:40:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: den.1992Oct5.184058.16676
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Oct4.011834.4517@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <BvK9JF.CF6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>> UW  20
>> OSU 16   4:30 left
>> 
>> OSU just accepted a roughing the kicker call after MAKING the extra point
>> They then missed the 2 point conversion.
>> Oops!!!
>
>	They were going for the win.  Had they played for the tie (a la
>Indiana...) they could have kicked on 4th and 5 instead of...
>	LOSING THE FUCKING GAME!!!!!!!
>	Actually, I'd have gone for the win also.

It has always seemed to me be a bad move to "go for the win" by
attempting a 2-point conversion until it's absolutely necessary, because
in the worst case the decision to do so takes the outcome out of the
players hands.  If the conversion fails, you've just eliminated the
option of salvaging a tie (if you're down 4 after the TD) and forced
your own hand offensively, because you've got to drive the length of the
field for a winning TD.  If the conversion fails and you're still down
by 8 or more, then you've got to attempt and make the 2-point conversion
after every subsequent TD you score in order to avoid digging your own
grave 1 point at a time; I've even seen coaches do it when their team is
down by 3 or more TDs.

Until you're down to the final 2 or 3 minutes, when you're chances of
getting a 90-second possession start to diminish rapidly, I always want
my team's coach to play conservatively ("for the tie"); to call for a
2-point conversion down just 4 points with 4:30 left as Cooper did is
just plain stupid.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: TROJAN NEWS VOL.9 (USC/UW NOTES)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:24:11 GMT

To:	Valdis Whathisname
	Recruit, Goober School for the Unkneauxing
	Condom Campus
From:	Cliff Slaughterbeck
	Vice Dictator for Life, in charge of Vice
	Goober School for the Unkneauxing
Re:	Disinformation Campaign

Dear Mr. Whathisname,

I commend you on your recent series of postings about Condom football.  They
were apparently informative and didn't contain an excess amount of woofing,
but did contain enough inaccuracies to show that you are a true goober.
For example:

valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:

>DAVID VS. GOLIATH?: No, your game programs are correct... Trojan defensive
>                    tackle David (Batman) Webb (6-4, 225) will be up against
>                    Lincoln "The Space Needle" Kennedy (6-7,325). This will
>                    be simply be a matchup between size vs. speed & quickness.
                   
I like the way you use Biblical references to make the other team's big
guys into the bad guys.  Very nice.  By the way, Kennedy is also pretty
quick in addition to being big.

>
>HUSKIES: Starting tailback Jay Barry will also be out this Saturday due to a
>         broken toe. Beno Bryant has also been bothered by a hamstring injury,
>         but will play. This will give most of the rushing burden to sophomore
>         Napoleon McCallum.

Bravo! Bravo!  This is really top notch work here.  Napolean McCallum is
a Navy grad who played for the Raiders a few years back and just got resigned
a few weeks ago when Tim Brown went down.  Make everybody think that the
UW is violating NCAA regulations by using players who have used up their
eligibility and have actually been paid to perform in their sport.  McCallum
is a perfect choice--people will say, "Hmm, I think I've heard of him before"
without quite making the connection.  They'll look into it, and then phone
up the NCAA infractions committee.  All of this will distract poor Napolean
Kaufman from perfoming in the TB slot.

>WEATHER FORCAST: The temp for the game will be 69 degrees, with partly cloudy
>                 skies and NO RAIN!!

Just a little note here.  Weather forecasts in this part of the country are
notoriously inaccurate during spring and fall.  I wouldn't be sure about
this.

>
>FASTEST PLAYER??: A promoter who is working on promoting the Sunkist Track &
>                Field Invitational at the LA Sports Arena later this comming
>                spring, is working on getting some of college football's
>                fastest players which includes USC's Curtis Conway and Husky
>                Napoleon McCallum.

Good.  Reinforce the bit about McCallum/Kaufman.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 10/5/92
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.224137.15975@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.211108.1202@zip.eecs.umich.edu> rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:
>>
>>I think the idea is that (at least according to these polls) Stanford was a
>>better team than Texas A&M even THEN.  After all, it was a very close game,
>>and football isn't an exact science.
>
>Are you nuts? The winner is ALWAYS the better team, no matter what!!!
>
>Njan

Hmmm, good reasoning. For example, say on a given year Stanford is
10-0 (quite reasonable) going into the Big Game, and mighty Berzerkley
is 0-10 (again, quite resonable). Now, the hippies get all fired up
over the game, stay off drugs for a week and come in totally
motivated. Whereas Stanford spends the week studying for exams, doing
charity work, etc... Now say by some miraculous fluke, the weenies
pull an unbelievable upset by scoring 21pts in the last 45 seconds of
the game (this IS the Big Game after all...). Therefore, following
your reasoning, in the following  weeks' poll, Cal should leapfrog 
Stanford. Yep, good reasoning... ;-)


========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
========================================================
From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu
Subject: msu DESTROYS uf -----> 30:6
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:49:00 GMT

What a game! Heisman hopeful :), the UF QB threw 5 ints! It looked that he 
just did not have a touch.

MSU: the first and second string QBs went down, and the 3rd QB is the punter,
#18. 
I could not believe that uf can only manage two field goals. What a game!

Bob
(Not a UF fan, neither an MSU fan)
From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Rotten Rooster, 20 worst
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:06:38 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com

In article <1992Oct6.080345.25269@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, tshannon@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
|> 	The following is a list of the worst 20 college football teams
|> as seen in Penthouse's Oct. issue.
|> 
|> 	1. Minnesota
|> 	2. South Carolina
		o
		o
		o
|> 	20. Cincinnati

We're Number 1 !
We're Number 1 !
We're Number 1 !
We're Number 1 !

-Tom
Go Gophs


|> ___ ___ _   _    _       _             _
|>  |   |  | \/ |  (_  |_| |_| |\ | |\ | | | |\ | timothy-shannon@uiowa.edu 
|>  |  _|_ |    |   _) | | | | | \| | \| |_| | \| tshannon@CCAD.UIOWA.EDU
|> "Go find someone else to pick on" - A diehard Iowa State Cyclone fan.

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