HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:25:56 GMT
Organization: sgi
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In article <1gsskeINNgm8@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
|> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> > On church property they can say whatever they want. 
|> > Religious prejudice has no place in secular public
|> > education.
|> 
|> Sounds an awful lot like:
|> "On queer property they can say whatever they want.
|> But queer propaganda has no place in secular public 
|> education." 

I see that this is Mr Smiths day for "It's symmetrical".   His arguments
seem to go in waves.

What's going on in New York is *not* queer propaganda.   The section on
mutual respect was put together by a committee appointed by the chancellor
which examined all aspects of the relations between children of different 
backgrounds.   

Children of Gay parents were only one group: another important group
was children of single parents.   I wonder, would Mr Smith argue that
urging respect for children of single parents is actually "heterosexual
fornicator's propaganda." or "divorce lawyer propaganda?".

|> 
|> It seems both sides have an equally hard time realizing 
|> there are many ways to look at things. 

No, I think that the real problem here is that you have a way of taking
quite ordinary events and placing a highly parnaoid slant on them.

Throughout this discussion, you have continually taken ideas and policies
that have, as far as I can see, zero impact on your life, and tried to 
twist them into dangers to society.

jon. 
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: WHY?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:58:30 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <Z6PyVB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>
>I don't believe in sex before marriage, and I'm none too sure about it
>afterward, either !!!

    This, more than anything I've seen, explains the attitudes you exhibit
on the net.  I'd like to feel sorry for you, but you're too much of a
bigotted jerk.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: to Howard Black a.k.a Mr. Chemistry (Re: WHY?)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:37:25 GMT

[]

 You know, just this .sig (which is way too long) says everything.
Note the slash through the triangle. This clearly implies an anti-gay
bias since the pink triangle is a symbol of gay genocide in Nazi
Germany (which makes the slash particularly galling). But if this
moron is truly "pro-hetero" and not "anti-gay" why this ugly little
symbol? Pro-het does not imply anti-gay. 

> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> |The Zekester, PRO HETERO and proud of it!!                   |
> |       **********         They call me homophobic,           |
> |    ***          ***      They call me bigotted,             |
> |  **<-------------****    They call me close-minded,         |
> | **  \          **** **   They call me intolerant,           |
> |**    \      ****/    **  They blame me for their problems,  |
> |**     \  ****  /     **  They cannot tolerate me,           |
> |**     ****    /      **  They cannot respect me,            |
> | ** **** \    /      **   They do not know me,               |
> |  ****    \  /      **         yet they judge me.            |
> |    ***    \/   ***                                          |
> |       **********         They must be heterophobes!!        |
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

  You, sir, are an utter idiot. And no, I have little tolerance
for bigots.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@halcyon.com
Subject: Re: Has anyone HERE changed? (WAS: Analogy betwixt....
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:26:15 GMT

In article <92351.124708ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
     The Dreamer <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>  I just wanted to know if anyone who posts here WAS a homosexual and now
>IS a heterosexual?

   No, but I know of a few heterosexuals who've become bisexual because
of their interaction with usenet...

         Elf !!!
--
Elf Sternberg.   (elf@halcyon.com)
Due to a bureaucratic error, you are offered the job of county coroner.
You seriously consider accepting the job because it offers:          __
A. Unclaimed watches and wedding rings.                              \/
B. Gold fillings and bridges.
C. Free blood.
D. A constantly changing array of new friends who aren't at all stuffy
   about what happens to their genitalia.
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:)
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:20:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


This whole thread is pathetically stupid.  If homosexuals are to be
banned from the military on the basis of public showering, or public
living conditions,the same argument could be made for banning them from:

Grade School
High School
College
Public Pools
Gymnasiums
Hospitals (can't have gay male doctors showering together)
YM/WCA
Sports Clubs

and many other public places.

You hear right wingers whining about being called fascists all the
time...  This sort of thinking is the reason.

-Howard


-- 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:31:05 EST
From: The Dreamer <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: WHY?

In article <92352.003601KXS137@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KXS137@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>Why are we the only animals that are attracted to the same sex...

     We aren't.

>Maybe the rest of the animal kingdom is smarter then we think....

     That's apparent...just look what we did to this planet in the last two
centuries.

>Why do men like to stick it up other men's poopshoots....<eeewwww!>

     Why do some men like to stick it up a woman's (insert inappropriate noun)?

>What is causing this sexual confusion......

     I'm not confused.  Are you?  Would you like to talk about it?

>Why am I straight and your not....

     Interesting question...we're all still working on that one, but give us
a bit more time.  My answer now would have to be: Because God thought I would
look terrible in flannel :-)

>Please don't answer this post cuz I don't care...just ask yourself WHY.

     Oops...too late.

     Really Mr. Simmers, do you think that you are an expert in this subject?
Your attitude suggests that you think you are.  If you would seriously like to
discuss this matter, call the Penn State Lesbian Gay Bisexual Student Alliance
at 865-3327.

     For those of you who are wondering, yes, I could have just flamed him,
but he doesn't actually seem that far gone.

     Love and Peace and Hopeful Candidates,
               -The Dreamer-

The Dreamer: Striving to make someone...anyone...say "Oh...NOW I understand"
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:17:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: usa
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owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> In article <1gnskcINN6ac@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
> > Which leads me to a question relating to Col#2.  The reason some people
> > voted for it was over the idea of minority status and quota preferences
> > for sexual preference/orientation.  
> 
> Did you vote for it Walter?

Does it matter?  Do *you* think I did?  What makes you even ask? 

> > Because gay-rights activists often 
> > equate the two (blacks and gays) and equate the way they would like 
> > to see stereotypes removed (like forced education in public schools) 
> > there has been some credence given to the notion that the gay-rights 
> > movement might very well want the same type of minority status, with 
> > the attached quotas, given to homosexuals.  
> 
> theres that loaded language again Walter, and this time 
> followe up by an assumption.
> do you know how to spell ass-u-me.?

No kidding!  Am I saying that gay people *do* want quotas?  Or is that 
what you are reading between the lines?  What I'm saying is, a lot of 
people DO believe it, because they haven't heard clearly otherwise. 
Most people don't have access to USENET like this, and don't have someoen
they can ask.  I'm not ASSUMING that the gay-rights movement wants it,
I'm ASKING if they do or not.  

If you're *trying* to piss me off by twisting what I write around, 
you *are* succeeding, congratulations on your accomplishment.  And 
I'm STILL waiting to hear what this secret agenda of mine is that 
you were taking about. 

Walter


Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Has anyone HERE changed? (WAS: Analogy betwixt....
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:09:26 GMT

In article <BzGswK.K37@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
     smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) writes:

>>   No, but I know of a few heterosexuals who've become bisexual because
>>of their interaction with usenet...

>And I myself know about one person (me) who thought he was bi and is now
>quite sure that he is hetero.

   Exactly my point. People don't stay in one place; lives are long,
and people living those lives change with circumstance and opportunity
and even with desire and choice.  I think someone else telling me what
I am, saying "You are..." to my face, is the most idiotic thing on the
face of the earth.  How would they know?

            Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: God i hate you all
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:32:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <rmcgrath.724074535@unix1.tcd.ie> rmcgrath@unix1.tcd.ie (robert patrick mcgrath) writes:
>
>
>This is a really god awful group.
>
>God will burn you all.
>
>A hot pokerup the ass is the order of the day!!
>
>
>I hate you all and I will see you all go to hell
>.
>

I really feel sorry for someone who is so envious of others that they are
filled with such hatred.   

If they truly believed in the 'God' that they invoke they would read a
little more about the compassion he represents and the understanding and
tolerance he espouses.


Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Fam
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:04:12 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: usa
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> |> No one can argue with that approach.  Has there been any discussion of adding 
> |> this to an official statement-of-position by the gay-rights lobby?  If it were 
> |> made crystal-clear that there was no desire for minority status (and quotas) 
> |> that would effectively obsolete the wording of Col#2, which is likely to be 
> |> used in other states.   
> 
> Pease be specfic.   Exactly which part of the wording of Col#2 would this
> "effectively obsolete"?
> 
> I'd like to see a quote.
> 
> jon.

Jon, 

NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Neither the State of Colorado, through any of its branches or departments,
nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school
districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statue, regulation, ordinance
or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct,
practices or relationships shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of,
or enable any person or class of persons to have or claim any minority
status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of discrimination.
This Section of the Constitution shall be in all respects self-executing.

Specifically, the part about "enable any person or class of persons to 
have or claim any minority status, quota preferences..."

By showing that this isn't even being asked for, it would nullify that 
part of the wording of the amendment (wait, maybe that's a bad phrasing;
I mean it would nullify using that language in the next wave of states,
as people would no longer see that as a legit goal of the movement).

That is the part that made a *lot* of people who otherwise would have 
voted against it, vote for it.  Kill that part, and you've killed the
wording of the amendment. 

Walter
 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.182449.7059@m5.harvard.edu> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:

>In article <BzExnu.n0K@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>Actually, I don't think I know of anyone who says that racism and
>>heterosexism are equally bad.  Comparable, yes.  Equally bad in a
>>*moral* sense, yes.  IMHO, the effects of racism are presently far
>>more severe than those of heterosexism.
>
>Economically, perhaps, but not socially.  It's probably the rare gay person
>who has no hesitation coming out of the closet.

This is true.  That paragraph of mine was based essentially on
economic and class-related concerns.  While I still doubt that it's
wise to try to compare the hardships experienced by gays and by
blacks, I think it is true that it's much less common for AfAm people
to deny that they're black, or to hide it from others.

(I say "much less common" rather than "it doesn't happen" because the
debates about Michael Jackson, light-skinned African Americans, and
the use of the term "mulatto" suggests that in a sense it does
happen.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Subject: Re: NON-REPRODUCTIVE SEX...
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:38:52 GMT


|> SD>The next time you hear the argument that homosexual sex means a death
|> SD>sentence for the human race because it's not procreative, consider this
|> SD>info I just received from the Zero Population Growth_ foundation, a
|> SD>Washington DC group committed to ending overpopulation.
|> 
    Can you give me the address for this group?  I want to dedicate my life
and the lack of a firstborn child to this group.

Rod
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: God i hate you all
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:41:04 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
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In article <rmcgrath.724074535@unix1.tcd.ie>, rmcgrath@unix1.tcd.ie (robert patrick mcgrath) writes:
|> 
|> This is a really god awful group.
|> 
|> God will burn you all.
|> 
|> A hot pokerup the ass is the order of the day!!
|> 
|> I hate you all and I will see you all go to hell

That's your privilege, Mr Grath, but don't forget that you are 
posting from a country whose constitution imposes limits on the 
rights of men and women, and which has historically been dominated 
by a single Church with the power to persecute whoever it liked.

You may not care for Gays, but you ought to reflect that Gays in
the US have to look after their own rights, because, unlike for
Ireland, there is no convenient England just over the Irish Sea 
to escape to in order to exercise rights you are not allowed to 
exercise in your own country.

I don't think anyone here is waiting for civils rights leadership 
from Ireland, so why don't you leave us to it.

jon.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: God i hate you all
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:23:36 GMT

rmcgrath@unix1.tcd.ie (robert patrick mcgrath) writes:

>This is a really god awful group.

>God will burn you all.

>A hot pokerup the ass is the order of the day!!


>I hate you all and I will see you all go to hell
>.

Yet another fun, fun posting from those wacky guys at:
rmcgrath@shit.i.left.the.terminal.on.again

Oh well.....
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From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: WHY?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:39:05 GMT

In article <92352.003601KXS137@psuvm.psu.edu> <KXS137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Why are we the only animals that are attracted to the same sex...

I recently saw a documentary on PBS about a species of primates, about as 
closely related to Humans as are the Chimpanzees, that have sex TEN TO
FIFTEEN TIMES A DAY ON THE AVERAGE!!! Furthermore, they are PANSEXUAL,
doing it all sorts of different ways with males, females, opposite sex,
same sex, brothers, cousins, parents, etc, etc. It was very humorous to
see a stuffy anthropologist discuss how one ape was giving oral sex to
another ape. Needless to say, these animals are doing quite well. So
much for other species.

>Maybe the rest of the animal kingdom is smarter then we think....

I guess they are. Chimpanzees are always fighting and killing each other
and they're endangered. These apes (I really can't remember what they're
called but they're ugly as Hell) are doing fine. Guess there's a lesson
for us here...make love not war.

>Why do men like to stick it up other men's poopshoots....<eeewwww!>

Maybe they like it. I know women who like recieving anal sex, too.

>What is causing this sexual confusion......

Who's confused? I'm not. I know for a fact that I'm hetero. I know for 
a fact the guy sitting next to me is homo. He's not confused either. Are
you confused? That's just something you'll have to work out for yourself,
pal.

>Why am I straight and your not....

Why can't you spell? Why can't you tell 'your' from 'you're?' But I digress..

>Please don't answer this post cuz I don't care...just ask yourself WHY.

Hey, you cared enough to post, I care enough to respond. That's life on the
net.

Lost Boy
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:14:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> I'm thrilled that you feel principled enough that you can choke out the 
> "they should not be harassed or discriminated against for it." part, but
> the fact that you have engaged in this dialogue to the degree you have shows
> me two things. One that while you phrase your postings as questions, you
> are not paying much attention to the answers you are being given. Two,
> that this is a very important issue to you and statements you made in other
> newsgroups support suspicion that you have an agenda you are not showing
> to us in thsi newsgroup.

Owen,

Don't beat around the bush, spell it out.  Am I Clayton in disguise?  
What is the agena I'm so earnestly trying to hide from you?  Let's see,
you say that I ask questions but don't listen to the answers, (or maybe
I just don't accept things to your satisfaction?) and the issue is very 
important to me.  So what's my agenda?  (Hey, this could make a good
game show; "I can name that agenda in 4 inuendoes"...)  Must be good..

Walter

Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: Has anyone HERE changed? (WAS: Analogy betwixt....
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:27:33 GMT

I can't imagine not being attracted to guys, and I doubt if this will ever
change.  I never went through a period of being involved with women.  I
used to think I was a hard-core homo, but for the past year or two I've  
been, um, NOTICING women.  Unfortunately (or fortunately?), they're always
lesbians...

Joe,
who doesn't want to rewrite his resume to say gay-identified bisexual
The quasi-switcher topper-from-the-bottom butch-esque diva paragraph is
confusing enough
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Gays In The News
Date: 20 Dec 1992 05:30:40 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec19.162915.10617@wam.umd.edu>, sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
|> I't seems like many political issues concerning homosexuals have cropped
|> up in the news over the past several months.
|> 
|> It is kind of interesting.  Before, it seemed homosexuals were almost
|> invisible.  Now, if you are news junkie like myself, they seem to
|> be LITERALLY everywhere:)!

Did anyone catch the little news item today about the dozen or so
openly Gay members of Gov. Bill's transition team?

jon.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,sci.psychology
From: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Subject: god i hate you all
Reply-To: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:48:49 EST

Man, how BORING! And if you get the inclination to write again, please
learn how to type first.  On second thought, don't write again, it's
just a waste of time.
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