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From: atc@deveel.aero.org (A.T. Campbell)
Subject: Re: Capitol S.F.?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:35:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.025854.3115@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
>  Can anyone give me the names of fantasy or science fiction books set in
> Washington, D.C.?

How about ALTERNATE PRESIDENTS, a recent anthology edited by Mike Resnick and
Martin H. Greenberg?
-- 

A. T. Campbell, III 
atc@deveel.aero.org
The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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From: reid@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Jim Reid)
Subject: Hugo/Nebula award winners
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:37:33 GMT


Hi.
I'm looking for the Hugo and Nebula award winners for best novel since
1988.  Could someone here help me out?

I apologize if this is not the correct newsgroup to post this.
Last time I looked (a couple years ago) there was a newgroup rec.arts.sf-lovers.
It appears to have gone away.
This looked like the right one.

Thanks in advance.


Jim Reid
reid@acadia.kodak.com

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From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
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Subject: Re: Start alt.fantasy-- was Who killed SF?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:15:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1993Jan9.161212.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:
>> 
>> [ How do we define SF and how do we define fantasy.. ]

Has no one yet posted Damon Knight's definition, "Science fiction is what
I point at when I say 'That's science fiction'"?

Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu

Disclaimer:  UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:01:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.092912.21804@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood) writes:
|> In article <TOMW.93Jan5214525@orac.asd.sgi.com>, tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein) writes:
|> |> In article <YAMAUCHI.93Jan5134817@yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu>, yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> > Does anyone know whether a sequel to Orson Scott Card's _Xenocide_ is
|> |> > planned, and if so, when it is expected to be published?
|> |> 
|> |> I certainly hope not.
|> 
|> Why not ?

My unposted response to this question was exactly the same as Tom's
posted one. The story has come to an end. The plot elements have been 
resolved. There is even a kind of reconciliation between Peter and
Ender, because although he isn't Peter, Peter seems to be derivable
from (a subset of?) Ender's subconcious. From here, a sequel could 
only go downhill, and would be a sure sign that Card had lost it. 

On reflection, Brian's original question is phrased such that he
might not be aware of Ender's Game and Speaker For The Dead,
without which Xenocide is not complete.

   Alan

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   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

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From: tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:45:25
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In-reply-to: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu's message of 5 Jan 93 21:48:17 GMT

In article <YAMAUCHI.93Jan5134817@yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu>, yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

> Does anyone know whether a sequel to Orson Scott Card's _Xenocide_ is
> planned, and if so, when it is expected to be published?

I certainly hope not.

--
Love is a conveyor belt of   |   Tom Weinstein  tomw@orac.esd.sgi.com
warmth  -- Jackie Chan       |                  tomw@bears.ucsb.edu
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From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:29:05 GMT

In article <1ik53bINNjkj@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) writes:
|> 
|> My rule of the thumb is:  If you stay clear of anything involving
|> Lazarus Long, you'll be ok.
 
 Yes! I'll heartily second that.

|> As far as PC goes:  Where are the women in Starship Troopers?  Were they
|> ALL unfit for infantry duty, so that not a single one could make it into
|> a base camp of 10000 recruits?  Sounds a bit suspect to me...

 One thing that Heinlein understood was that men and women are _not_ the
same, and are better at different things. Almost all of the starship 
captains were women in the setting of _Starship Troopers_. Still, I do
find it rather hard to believe that Johnny Rico would meet zero female
MI's. Perhaps the vast majority of women weren't fit for MI duty, but 
surely there would be a few who qualified.
 
|> Also, try reading the "History and Moral Philosophy" lessons with a view
|> to current events in Yugoslavia, and tell me wether "ethnic cleansing"
|> would be justified under these principles.
 
 I'd not thought of that; I'll have to break out my copy of the book again
sometime soon and do this.
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From: durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell)
Subject: Re:  Niven and Female Aliens
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:06:11 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa

In article <alien.02fl@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
>(I heard/read a rumour recently -- wish I could remember where -- that Niven
>is actually planning to write "Down in Flames" for real. Anyone know anything
>about this?)

My failing memory tells me that Locus' upcoming book list 
mentioned an anthology titled _Down In Flames_ which would
include the outline already published plus a bunch of
other authors cheerfully destroying their worlds in similar
fashion.  But then, that list doesn't have info that
detailed so I think I'm wrong.  Maybe in the news section?

-- 
Bryant Durrell					   durrell@chop.isca.uiowa.edu
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Weird SF
Date: 9 Jan 1993 02:27:47 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <jorngh.246.726498500@dhhalden.no> jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
>
>Title says it all, is there any 'weird' science fiction work
>like some of the stuff Philip K. Dick wrote?

R.A. Lafferty could make Dick look like Hal Clement.

Michael Kandel has done some work in a rather Dickian vein.

And John Kessel tries, sometimes.

c
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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Subject: Bait & Switch (was re: Who killed SF?)
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:10:12 GMT

In article <1ii93mINN8s9@agate.berkeley.edu>, cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:

[Previous discussion and comments re SF vs fantasy deleted]
> 
> Maybe we can start a new thread.  Can anyone think of a cover/blurb 
> combination that led you to think a book was SF (or fantasy) when it
> was actually fantasy (or SF)?
> 
> Dorothy J. Heydt
> UC Berkeley
> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
> 
About the only examples I can think of are the writings of Sheila 
Finch.  Her first book, _Infinity's Web_, was the best 
alternate-reality time travel work I have ever read, IMHO.  I was very 
new to sf at the time (mid-80's) and I got really excited about this 
writer.  Also, she was the first female sf writer I had ever read.  
When her next book, _Triad_ came out I snapped it up and read it 
eagerly.  Although set on another planet, the plot was not very much 
to my taste, and I was somewhat disappointed.  Then, when her third 
work, _Garden of the Shaped_ came out I was still sufficiently excited 
about _Infinity's Web_ that I also bought and read this one.  It was 
almost pure fantasy. Whatever that is.  8{)

Now, if I had picked up _Garden.._ as my first book by Finch I guess I 
should have known it would be fantasy given the title and cover art.  
(This book has been reissued recently, I think under another title but 
by the same author.)  But based on my first reading of Finch I 
expected something else.

I guess I would agree with the previous posts:  You should be able to 
rapidly make the distinction between science fiction and fantasy by a 
cursory examination of the book's cover.  So instances such as you 
describe are probably rare.


--Electric Monk            (Bruce Gaede); 
                            e-mail: bjgaed@ccmail.monsanto.com

"...and then time started seriously to pass."
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:07:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: (getting there)

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
 >Goodness, what degree granting institution represents itself as pandering
 >to rich kids with money to burn so that they can enjoy themselves?
 >Was this what Brown was like?

Not while I was there.
Of course, the Big Curriculum Change was after my time.

It was at Brown, by the way, that I learned to read carefully, but
my reading speed went way down (to between 500 and 700 wpm for most
novels) during those years.  I should say:  most novels in English.
French major that I was, I still hadn't brought my French reading
speed up to nearly that level.

(Followups are set to rec.arts.books.)
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: goldberg@NYMC.EDU (RANDY_GOLDBERG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Computers in McCaffrey
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:18:32 GMT

From: ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Anne Mc Caffrey and computer interfaces
>I've just been reading _Crystal Line_ by Anne McCaffrey (haven't finished
>it; there will probably be another post when I do) and there's one thing I
>noticed that drives me nuts about all her books.
>
>Why is everyone on a DOS-type system?
>
>I've noticed that none of the computers in her books have a GUI-type
>interface, which seems to me to be an anachronism.  I work for a computer
>company, and GUI interfaces have become the standard; I know very few
>IBMers who use DOS anymore.  It seems to me that, especially with as
>sophisticated a voice interface as her computers have, they would not need
>the clumsy DOS interface.

 The reason Annie uses DOS-type interfaces in her books is because (this is
 right from the horse's mouth, as it were) SHE uses a DOS interface.  She
 does not use Windows or any similar system, and has told me that she
 doesn't like the GUI (with which opinion I whole-heartedly agree).

 Cheers,
  Randy

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From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Subject: Re: Dilvish: Zelazny's other Fantasy
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:21:56 GMT

In article <C0Hwqq.MLy@root.co.uk>, kieron@root.co.uk (Kieron Drake) writes:
>Where did the Hounds of Thundalos come from?

He borrowed them from the Hounds of Tindalos from H.P. Lovecraft. They
were hounds who existed in the early part of our universe, and had the
same weird relations to flat surfaces and angles as in the Zelazny books.

-- 
    Martin Terman, Mutant for Hire, Mean Ol' Top, Priest of Shub-Internet
    Disclaimer: Nobody else takes me seriously, why should you be the first?
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From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
Subject: Re: Dune the movie
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:34:09 GMT

In article mgcbo@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles B. Owen) writes:
>In article David.Dyer-bennet@f341.n1146.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet) writes:
>> DZ> 16. I was told that the director's cut of DUNE was seven hours long,
>> DZ>    and did a much better job of portraying the novel.  Where can I
>> DZ>    find it?
>>
>> DZ> As Jerry Boyajian
>> DZ> (boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com) explains (hopefully for the last
>> DZ> time [but of course it wasn't]):
>>
>> DZ> There is *no* "director's cut" of DUNE of *any* length.  The existence
>> DZ> of one is a complete myth.
>>
>There is a basis for discussions about a longer version of DUNE. 

        [...blah,blah,blah...blah,blah,blah...]

>So, you can see that there may not be evidence for a "director's cut" of
>the film, but there may exist and definately COULD exist a much longer,
>more complete version.  In the process maybe some of the stupidities
>could be cut.
>
Well, I don't know about that, but my brother-in-law's third cousin
used to share an apartement with someone whose sister met a guy in
a supermarket checkout line who swore on a stack of bibles that his
younger brother had been hitchhiking in Europe one summer and met an
Austrailian who told him that he'd met an American fellow who claimed
to have met the sister of an acquaintance he'd been in the same 
basketweaving class with at junior high, and she told him that she
had a friend who'd been assured by her uncle in Toronto that while
visiting Spain, he had spoken to the second cousin twice removed 
of the gardener who worked on the same street in Venice as the
sister of the man who'd once rented a car to a movie critic who
claimed to have been told by a baggage handler at Heathrow airport
that his sister's cousin had been told by her hairdresser in L.A.
that a 31 hour 13 1/2 minute version was in the possession of a 
sailor working on a tuna boat out of Osaka.

So, believe what you will, but I'm still looking for that damn
tuna boat...

---tom

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Forever War and Starship Troopers (was: Heinlein - Politically correct?)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:05:37 GMT

In article <3v-3#+b@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.222712.1544@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan11.194413.18935@ll.mit.edu> nanis@ll.mit.edu (Jeff Nanis) writes:
>|> >	Yes, but even "Forever War" isn't PC. Although it's still one of 
>|> >my favorite books, it's never been the same for me since a female friend
>|> >who had read it pointed out to me that the "mandatory promiscuity" orgy
>|> >scene on Charon was essentially a gang rape. Shades of Tailhook, eh?
>|> 
>|> b.  It's an interesting question of just who was being raped.  Not all
>|> of the men were willing and some of the women were enthusiastic.
> 
> I don't recall it being said that the _men_ were required to participate.

As I recall, *everyone* was required to participate.

There was a line of Mandela's not wanting to be picked by one
particular woman because he was tired and a general comment (sort of
typical military complaint) about how "when you're tired you always
get the horny ones and when you're horny you get the tired ones."  

One gets the impression that the military is being deliberately and
overbearingly egalitarian and damn what anyone thinks.

	--Hal
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Radio-Science Publications
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:05:34 GMT

I recently reread EE Smith's "Spacehounds of IPC" -- one of the best
"gadget sf" novels -- and noticed that its 1931 copyright was by
"Radio-Science Publications Inc."  Was that a publisher or simply a name
under which Smith incorporated his writing?

(I notice that while every other page is a pseudo-science lecture, of
course, the subject that's expounded upon at greatest length is radio --
real, pseudo, and ultra.  Would there have been a particular market for
radio-oriented sf, or was radio -- like radium -- still something that
carried an aura of being especially scientific and incompletely understood?)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser

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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:57:39 GMT

In article <1k4XR9#2j5OSg5Y9hOw6z455W8JLD9B=esr@snark.thyrsus.com>, esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
|> In <MATT.93Jan8095814@physics2.berkeley.edu> Matt Austern wrote:
|> > The point, however, is that he *behaves* like a 20th century WASP
|> > American. 
|> 
|> Wrong.  For starters, Johnny Rico wears jewelry and makeup.  Reread the
|> book more carefully next time.
 
 Are you saying that white American males don't wear jewelry? What alternate
universe have you been hiding in? 
 
 Admittedly, this was a lot less common when _Starship Troopers_ was written
than it is today. But even if you go back to the context of the time it was 
written, remember that Johnny Rico was in the military, and military men 
wearing jewelry, especially as a badge of honor or experience, has been 
common practice for centuries, if not all of history. Whether jewelry for
men was common outside the military in the ST setting is moot; we don't see
enough of the civilian world to tell. 
 
 As far as makeup goes, I must have missed that passage. Could you give me
a pointer?
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: The Illuminatus trilogy
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:53:19 GMT

In article <user-100193201711@hf-mac16.uio.no>, user@computer.uio.no (PC Jorgensen) writes:
|> In article <l6_3=2_@rpi.edu>, kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
|> wrote:
|> > |> I found the "final showdown" in FP much less exciting than the one in TIT.
|> >  DARN that Umberto Eco! Why can't he write EXCITING stuff, like Steven King?
|> 
|> I appreciate that one sometimes wants to use irony, sarcasm etc. on the net
|> when one encounters seemingly stupid - but I'd like to add that you (of
|> course) do not know my literary taste in general and b) I ment
|> _intellectually_ exciting, not exciting in the swashbuckling sense.  
|> 
|> Well, I think that our opinions - after all - are not so far apoart.
 
 Probably true. Sorry for that sarcastic comment about exciting stuff - 
that was mostly a reaction to the comments I've gotten about RAW in my
own circle of acquaintances: a bunch of armchair anarchists from darkest
suburbia saying "D00D! The Illuminatus books are so K00L!" and, when I 
reccomend something on the level of Eco, I usually get responses like,
"Aw, nothing really _exciting_ happened in that book."
 
 The rest of your post showed that your views on _Focault's Pendulum_
were quite similar to mine, but I couldn't resist leaving my sarcasm
in there. I didn't mean it to be a jab at you personally.

 (By the way, Peter, have you considered getting a better mail address?
"user@computer.uio.no" isn't very useful.)
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From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Forever War and Starship Troopers (was: Heinlein - Politically correct?)
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:11:30 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1993Jan11.194413.18935@ll.mit.edu> nanis@ll.mit.edu (Jeff Nanis) writes:
>
>	Yes, but even "Forever War" isn't PC. Although it's still one of 
>my favorite books, it's never been the same for me since a female friend
>who had read it pointed out to me that the "mandatory promiscuity" orgy
>scene on Charon was essentially a gang rape. Shades of Tailhook, eh?

Perhaps Piers Anthony's portrayal of mandatory sexual activity is
more to your taste?


-- 
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uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Red electrons
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:18:43 GMT


Well, of *course* electrons are red.  What did you expect?  They're all
atheists (have you ever heard of a good Christian electron?), and they
hold their nuclei in common.  They'll swap orbits at a moment's notice.

I understand that the Government has been investigating electrons for
many years now.

Neutrons are . . . shall we say . . . a bit pink also.  But protons are
good American particles.


			I'm your only friend.  I'm not your only friend,
			but I'm your little glowing friend, but actually
			I'm not your friend.  But I am
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Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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