HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mfg@gmd.de (Martin Gergeleit)
Subject: Gemterm V1.2 released
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:14:31 GMT

Hi,

I have just uploaded the new version (V1.2)of Gemterm ("gemtrm12.zoo") on 
artari.archiv.umich.edu. It contains serveral bug-fixes and a lot of functional
enhancements. "gemtrm12.zoo" should replace "gemterm.zoo in the Mint directory.

What is new since Gemterm V1.0

- Gemterm now checks wether GDOS is loaded or not. V1.0 crashed if there was no
  GDOS.
- The font selector now knows about the number of fonts installed. This should 
  correct a bug that disabled font selection in some cases.

What is new since Gemterm V1.1

- Gemterm now runs also as application.
- Gemterm now supports the TOSRUN pipe.
- A small TOS startup program that launches TTPs inside a new window is 
  included.
- The current working directory is now also a parameter for a program that
  should be launched in a window.
- Gemterm now knows about the environment variables "GEMTERMINF", "GEMTERMTTY", 
  "GEMTERMAPPL" and "GEMTERMWINS". "GEMTERMINF" sets the path and the filename 
  of the configuration file. "GEMTERMTTY" selects the device that is 
  connected to the tty window. "GEMTERMAPPL" denotes the main application that
  Gemterm wants to talk to via the VA protocol and "GEMTERMWINS" adjusts the
  maximum number of term window during startup.
- Gemterm reads the environment variables "SHELL" and "HOME" for its default
  configuration.
- Bug-reports should be much easier, if you recompile Gemterm with the -DDEBUG
  option in case of crashes. With this option Gemterm traces all its actions to
  stderr.
- A bug that hang GEM, when activating window-arrows with a very high 
  frequentcy should be fixed. (No more additional WM_REDRAW message from 
  Gemterm to itself, but instant redrawing.)

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If you have any ideas, bugreports, ... , drop a mail to:

<mfg@gmdzi.gmd.de>

Martin Gergeleit
Am Klostergarten 4a
5300 Bonn 1
Germany

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: He Saw. He Conquered. He Came. <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: new .TOS and such...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:39:11 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I'm looking on information pertaining to the following:

TOS 2.06 or 3.XX cards for older St's (or Mega) computers.

Availibility of a method of loading from hard disk the newer system instead of 
hacking them into the machine.

Use of TOS 1.4 and 2.06 or 3.XX in the same maching (switchable?)

Any info on the above would be greatly appreciated! Please mail to me sonce I 
rarely use this newsgroup anymore due to lack of time.

Thanks much!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Gulam bombs!  Help.
Keywords: Gulam memory errors
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:01:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.053327.754@eskimo.com> gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner) writes:
>Q: I have just switched to an atari STe from a plain ST.  Now Gulam
>   bombs when I use the "mem" command.  I get two bombs -- memory
>   address error, no? and I get dumped to deskdop.  Anybody?

This is a long-standing bug, there is no fix since there haven't been any
new releases of Gulam since 1987. Just don't use the mem command.
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Question about alt.znet.pc
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 03:29:38 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau) writes:

> 
> Somebody posted a message here announcing that ZNET issue 18 would be
> available in alt.znet.pc, but when I just looked there I only saw the
> same announcment along with the announcment for issue 17. Have I
> misunderstood something?

alt.znet.pc was 'x'd at many sites due to a misunderstanding when it
was created.

You saw the announcement because it was crossposted to this newsgroup,
and therefore made it past the "junk" switches.


Alan B                           "Well, we were just laying there
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Dawghaus BBS +64 6 357-9245       And stood there.
Palmerston North, New Zealand     Made of thin air. Full of desire..

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: randyh@sr.hp.com (Randy Hosler)
Subject: Re: Warp 9 Upgrade pricing
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:05:35 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Not to drift, but does Warp9 work with MiNT .95 and Toswin?  
I have an old version of Quickst and it will work except when I start up
Toswin.  I get a cursor in the menubar and all console i/o just spits out
all over the top of my toswin windows.  I really like the speed improvement
but if it doesn't work with MiNT, what's the use.

Thanks, Randy
From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: Re: Lha Files
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:36:27 GMT

wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
: Lha=Lharc.
: 
: Just use LHarc v2.01L - that should do the trick!
: 
: (Probably been archived with the Un*x version)

I don't think this is quite correct.  Lharc uses the lh0 or lh1 compression
methods and puts a ".lzh" file extension.

LhA uses lh4 or lh5 compression (tighter giving greating compression) and uses
the ".lha" extension.

At least this is how it works on Unix and Amiga.  The Atari ST verions of 
Lharc might be different, but I don't think so...

Regards,

Jim Fang
From: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TT and llamatron
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

All right, I tried all the suggestions to get Llamatron to work on a TT
(i.e., ST-low, cache off, internal speaker off, RCA jacks connected) and
none of it works.  It loads, the screen turns red, and it locks up.
(FYI:  I have TOS 3.05).

-Paul Harris                       @ @ 
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu      \___/
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From: scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Re: More Falcon news...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:46:03 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

>Also a Falcon040 with 32Mhz 32 bit processor + DSP etc will be *released*
>next November and be available spring '94.

*GIGGLE*
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More Falcon news...
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov22.211147.1377
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Washington

paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris) writes:

>In article lc@fredrik.atari.no, jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:
>> In <1992Nov20.122035.4010@arizona.edu>, Paul Harris writes:
>> **** A lot deleted *****
>> >Why is this so strang?  In a TT, the 68030 is running at 32 MHz, and

>....

>> Your TOTALY wrong!!
>...

>Well, then my apologies.  To the best of my knowledge, I was merely repeating
>what I tought I had learned about the TT in the past many months on this
>network.  But aparently not...  Well, thanks for the correction....

Um, maybe I'm missing something here... but my TT most certainly runs at
32 MHz...

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: More Falcon news...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:20:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.213205.86@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>Subject: Re: More Falcon news...
>From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
>Date: 19 Nov 92 21:32:04 EST
>undermind!Steve_Johnson@overmind.mind.org writes:
>> The Falcon030's 68030 has a 24-bit address/16-bit data bus.  It 
>> get's a little confusing, though, because the COMBEL (the system 
>> controller) has a 32-bit bus to RAM and to the VIDEL (the video 
>> controller).  The machine on the whole, though, isn't a 'TRUE' 32-
>> bit machine (kinda like the Mac LC II/Performa 400).  The PDS 
>> (processor-direct slot) is also 24-bit address/16-bit data.  There 
>> is some hope, though, that a third party will be able to 'fix' this 
>> (there will, most definitely, be a 32-bit FAST RAM expansion for 
>> the Falcon030 that will allow more RAM, at least, from what I've 
>> heard). 
>
>this is -really- strange. i was under the impression that all 68k
>processors after the '020 were 32 bit all the way 'round. can someone
>post a 'family tree' of the 68k series & what is what? going to
>24/16 for a 32 bit processor sounds like something Intel would do,
>not Motorola. 

68000 and 68010 are 32-bit internal and 16-bit external. The rest are 32-bit 
all the way.

Intel 386SX is 32 internal and 16 bit external. Just like 68000 and 68010.
Intel 386DX is 32-bit both internal and external.(68020,68030,68040,68060)

>
>i realize that Motorola doesn't have a lot to do with the bus design,
>but it seems to me that trying to fit a 32 bit external processor
>on a 24/16 bus would be a lot more hairy than just making it 32 bits
>in the first place.
>
>jason

 It is a lot cheaper with only 16 lines.

>
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From: markjl@buengf.bu.edu (Mark Lavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: CHAOS a.archive demo disk problem!
Keywords: Atari archive
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:35:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: markjl@buengf.bu.edu

Hello fellow Atarians,
   [haha, gotta love those greetings!]
   I recently downloaded the two *.MSA files for the Chaos demo from the
Atari.archive.  I successfully downloaded and unMSAed the two files to
make the Chaos demo disk, but the disk directory and/or boot sectors do
appear to be scrambled: the disk wouldn't self-boot or reach desktop, and
checking it's contents from desktop showed weirc characters in the folder
and filenames: a scrambled directory.

  Has anybody else had these problems?  Is there a patch?  Or should I
attempt to download the entire demo again?  I checked to see if my disk
was bad, unformattable, etc: the media was not the problem.

  Thanks for your help, please e-mail replies rather than take up Usenet
bandwidth.  Bye now!

-Mark (markjl@acs.bu.edu or markjl@buengf.bu.edu)
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Mail-order Atari?
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:16:38 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Could someone recommend a mail-order house that carries Atari hardware and/or
software?  Maybe even a few of them if you know they are reputable...i don't
really want to hear about them if you don't know how reliable they are....I
tend to be pretty sceptical about mail-order -- just as a rule.:)  

I guess really what I'm looking for is a place I could call and get a
reasonable-to-awesome price for any given game/utility/whatever software I
might want.  Any suggestions for hardware places too?

				-Matt
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mouse wander - acceptable?
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:21:22 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Nov17.095515.13381@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>I have a similiar problem with my mouse and it's an official atari one,
>what usually happens is that the cursor will be quite happily sitting
>in the centre of the screen and then will suddenly decide that the top
>of the screen is more interesting and move up there.  It's very
>odd and I really can't see any reason for it.
>
>Anyone out there know why this happens?  I can't see why strong signals
>would cause a problem really.  Is is a fault with the keyboard chip?

I wouldn't expect this behaviour in modern ST machines but old ST's had
version 1.0 keyboard chips which do suffer from mouse drift.

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From: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: "Error in dialog format!" question
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:04:13 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

What causes the "Error in dialog format!" error in TOS 2.06?  I am trying 
to run Paula via Petra on a 1 meg STfm w/TOS 2.06.  I tried it with Petra 
running in the AUTO folder as well as in the root, but the same thing 
happened.  When I call up Paula.Acc under the Acc, I get that irritating 
little dialog error.

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From: renfro@crchh610.BNR.CA (Randy Hoekstra)
Subject: Re: Mail-order Atari?
Reply-To: renfro@crchh610.BNR.CA (Randy Hoekstra)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:38:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.001638.12046@bsu-ucs>,
01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|>Could someone recommend a mail-order house that carries Atari hardware and/or
|>software?  Maybe even a few of them if you know they are reputable...i don't
|>really want to hear about them if you don't know how reliable they are....I
|>tend to be pretty sceptical about mail-order -- just as a rule.:)  
|>
|>I guess really what I'm looking for is a place I could call and get a
|>reasonable-to-awesome price for any given game/utility/whatever software I
|>might want.  Any suggestions for hardware places too?
|>
|>				-Matt
          
Toad Computers @ (410)544-6943 or (800)448-8623 is very realiable and
their prices are reasonable.  I have ordered both hardware and software
from them and was very impressed with the shipping time.

E.Arthur Brown also has some good prices on software and very good shipping
turn around time.  They are at (612)762-8847 or (800)322-4405.

Both request use of 800 number for order only.  At least give them a call
and ask for their catalog.

RandyH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: annius@eri.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: ST-Format
Reply-To: A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:49:23 GMT

wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>Over here in NZ, we've only just got ST-Format #38 (September).
> 
>Can someone tell me what goodies ST-Format have put on their More recent
>2nd cover disk.  (issues #39, #40, #41 and if someone has inside knowledge
>#42)

I was just gonna give an angry reaction saying: when did ST Format ever put a
goodie on their cover disk, when I remember last year they put my AutoRaiser on
the cover disk!  The basters did that without even sending me a letter telling
me they used the program.  It was sort of good luck I was in Leeds, UK by the
time and someone showed me the magazine with my name in it.  Not many of my
Dutch friends regularly read the monster.  I think advanced atari users in
Holland prefer the German magazines.  At least I do.


-- 
Annius Groenink  --  Universiteit Utrecht  --  PTT Research Leidschendam
annius@research.ptt.nl/avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       Maths/Comp.Sc./TOS/Music
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: Cyber-stuff
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:40:08 -0800

In <20NOV92.08890564.0092@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Alan Edwards <EDWR@UNB.CA> writes:

>I realize that this must have been covered here before, but I am new
>to this list...
>     I was at my friends last night, and he has
>CyberPaint and Cad 3D. These both look like pretty good programs,
>but I can't find them in any catalog. Have they gone away?

>I had been looking at the Lexicor programs to do similar sorts of
>things, but they are pretty expensive. Are they really worth the
>extra $$.

	As another poster mentioned, Antic, the original publisher, is gone.
Lexicore is the only source of a Cad 3d like program, and from what I've
seen itt's way better. I read in an ionline magazine that someone got
the rights to Cyberpaint and has hired Jim Kent to update it for the
Falcon. Lexicore's stuff, from the demo's I've seen, would be awfully
slow on a stock ST, but it is very powerful.
	Occasionally you'll see people selling Cad 3d on the net when they're
dumping their ST's.


-- 

 "If Rush fans were braindead, why are there so   Bruce Bufalini
 many people posting to alt.music.rush?"              PSU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mjb@cs.nott.ac.uk (M J Brownlow)
Subject: Grav 2 - colour only
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:18:21 GMT


The subject says it all, really.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gordonf@monashee.sfu.ca (Gordon Farrell)
Subject: Re: TT and llamatron
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:00:07 GMT

In article <bnell.722014781@protege> bnell@siemens.com. (Bill Nell) writes:
>  I was under the impression that llamatron worked on TT's (as long as you
>had some sort of 24-bit MMU program).  I've downloaded the llamatron on a.a
[...]
>really work on the TT or not?  And if it does, then what is wrong with my
>copy or (god forbid :-) my TT?

Well, you can stop worrying about your TT.  It craps out on mine, too, even
with the pmmu2 24-bit programme from a.a.  Sounds like false advertising
to me! :-(

>--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: renfro@crchh610.BNR.CA (Randy Hoekstra)
Subject: re: floptical
Reply-To: renfro@crchh610.BNR.CA (Randy Hoekstra)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:42:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.153926.1015@engage.pko.dec.com>,
wallace@yngstr.enet.dec.com (Ray Wallace) writes:
|>
|>>From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
|>>Subject: Reply to Matt (floptical)
|>
|>>One problem, if you have TOS 1.2 or less, programs will not run from
|>>the floptical.
|>Anyone know why this is? Doesn't the floptical just look like another hard
|>disk partition to TOS?

Pre TOS 1.4 versions could not handle a hard drive partition greater
than 16 Meg
and thus the 21 Meg floptical would be too large a partition.

RandyH               
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: doing@ravel.udel.edu (David Allen Doing)
Subject: ***ATARI ST FOR SALE*****
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:08:39 GMT

********************* ATARI 520 ST FOR SALE *******************

                         System Includes:

                              520k
                          Color Monitor
                       External Disk Drive
                      Hayes Smartmodem 1200
                        Panasonic Printer

                      All software included
               All cables and accessories included

                      First $250 takes it!!!
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From: minidis@urz.unibas.ch ( Capt.J.T. Kirk )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Re: Silent Service 2
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:10:42 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <1992Nov19.141454.12110@bsu-ucs>, 
01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>> Don't even think about getting Silent Service 2 unless you have at least
>> 1meg, and a Hard-drive.  it's unplayable from floppy!
> 
> What about on a 4meg machine w/RAMDISK and NO hard-drive?
> 
> 				-Matt

That is even better. It may take a minute or two to install, but then
it is even a bit faster then from harddisk!

-- 
Alexander                                <minidis@urz.unibas.ch>
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From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More Falcon news...
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:43:48 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <2349658@overmind.citadel> undermind!Steve_Johnson@overmind.mind.org writes:
>The 
>Falcon030's 68030 has a 24-bit address/16-bit data bus.  It get's a little 
>confusing, though, because the COMBEL (the system controller) has a 32-bit 
>bus to RAM and to the VIDEL (the video controller). 

	If the memory is already 32-bit wide (for COMBEL & VIDEL) then why
not make the 030 have 32-bit access?  It seems that it would not add to the
cost at all since the memory is already 32-bit wide.

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