From: msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis)
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, Palikaria Terrorists and Makarios!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:02:48 GMT
Keywords: Palikaria, Enosis, PKK, Troodos Mts, South Cyprus

baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:

Reference from previous postings:

>>>Unless there are grass roots changes in the attitudes of most(not all) Greek
>>>Cypriots, a solution in Cyprus is impossible. 
>>
>>If by "grass roots changes" you mean forgetting everything that we have
>>left behind in the occupied areas, and which are now illegally 
>>possessed by either Turkish Cypriots or Turkish settlers then I
>>hope a solution stays impossible.

>   Where were YOU Kirie Michalis when the Greek junta was organizing the 
>illegal military coup and invading Cyprus on July 15, 1974? The Turkish 
>Cypriot people were forced to live under inhumane  conditions and in caves
>for eleven years, from 1963 till 1974, and they were squeezed into 3% land
>in their own homeland. Greece had absolutely no legal reason to annex Cyprus
>to itself, whereas the Turkish Intervention, 5 days after the coup, had a 
>perfect basis to be carried on. There has not been a single gun shot ever
>since, and Cyprus has enjoyed peace for 18 years now. Unless a just and fair
>solution, which will satisfy both sides, is found, the map of Cyprus will
>stay like what it is now forever.

Thanks for calling me Kyrio, but please try to be more casual.
(note: the correct way of saying it is: Kirie Michali (i.e. no 's'))

Something that I have noticed from your postings is that you
get very upset on the idea of changes in the current map of Cyprus.

What figure of speech are you? 
Excuse my direct translation from the greek.  What I'm asking is
how are you related to Cyprus, are a Turkish Cypriot, a Turk from 
Turkey, a Turkish settler in Cyprus, or ....?

I was in Cyprus when the coup took place.  I can not in any way see  
how is that relevant. 

I did not know that there were so many caves in Cyprus......
The turkish cypriots were not squized into 3% land in their own land.
They chose or more correctly their leadership chose to do so and
some of them followed, when they decided to withdraw from the government and
the parlament after Makarios's proposal for constitutional changes.
> 
>>Have you heard of the Turkish Cypriot 
>>doctor who has made a case to the european court because he was not 
>>allowed by Denktash to attend a professional meeting in Nicosia.

>Bologna! Do you have a better story to tell the kids? Have you heard
>of the Greek Cypriot Palikaria which was released lately? It shudders me
>to read the following articles in these well known papers.


Bollogna or cheddar cheese the truth of the matter is that the 
case is in the European Court of Human Rights, and prospects do not 
seem so nice for Denktash's Regime.

Another correction regarding your greek.  The singular for palikaria
is palikari.
> References from European Newspapers about the release of 
Nicos Sampson deleted.

Sampson was not the leader of the military coup.  He was merely a 
pawn in the game of the Greek Junta. Being aware of how dictatorhips
work(i.e. think in terms of Tyrkey) you should have no trouble
 understanding that a person who is
put president by generals after a coup, has no real powers..
Anyhow, again I cannot see how is his release from jail relevant to 
a possible solution to the problem.	


>>Maybe soon, more of your people will realize that you can't take people
>>homes, land, and lives by force, and expect them to sign the
>>papers that will make the theft legal and permanent.

>And hopefully soon you and your people will realize that you will not
>be able to take away the Turkish Cypriots' independence and soverignty
>with papers and signatures prepared by Ghali or whoever et al.

The point is that we are not trying to take away the independence and
the sovereignity of nobody.  We only want to get ours back.
The Turkish Cypriot can not gain their "indepndence" by violating
the independence of the Greek Cypriots.

>>And just for the sake of conversation what do you think should 
>>change by either side in order for a solution to be possible?

>Simple. As soon as the Greek Cypriot side changes their Enosis (union of
>Cyprus with Greece) dreams, treat Turkish Cypriots as their equal partners
>rather than a minority, and get rid of all their high technology guns and
>weapons, rockets and missiles, and put the Palikaria Sampson back into his 
>cage, then a solution MAY be possible. But remember the following:

Are you really aware of todays attitude of Greek Cypriots for enosis with
Greece?  
I do not know of a single Cypriot who would like Cyprus to be united with
Greece.  Cyprus can do a lot better in all ways by being independent
than by being a part of Greece.  The posting by Spyros Triantafyllopoulos
will hopefully  help you see why.
Maybe is time you try to find a different story to tell us...

As far as our high technology gans are concerned (boy this sounds good)
there will be no reason to have them if the turkish army with the
hundreds of tanks, planes etc.....leaves Cyprus, and ofcource 
at the same time Turkey's imperialism towards Cyprus stops.

Talking about military powers in Cyprus.  Wasn't Cyprus 
 who suggested that the Turkish Army be replaced with UN forces
with all expenses be payed by the Cyprus Government, and at the same
time the Cyprus National Guard be disintegrated. That sure sounds
like a very good proposal to me, and everyone else I know.

>>Several "quotes" by Makarios deleted

Your quotes are very hard to convince not just me but 
a Turkish Cypriot too.  They seem more Mutlu/Argic stuff coming out
warm and fresh from a propaganda mass storage file.

> 
>>"Ev' va girisei n pita me to meli, tjai tha tnv fate dixws meli"
>>" The pie with the honey may flip over, and then you'll have to eat it
>>without honey"
> 
>The "pie with the honey" is too big to flip over, Kirie Michalis.
It just takes a few (singikyries)  events happening at the same time
and not only big pies but many a lot heavier and biggger
thing can be flipped over.

Kurios Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign

>Cheers,
Eviva, be (? Kyrios in Turkish)
>Okan Baysan.


-- 
Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign

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