From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 16:32:35 EST
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In article <kPJqwB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca>, emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:

> And how are you going to do that? If you're both on simplex on the 
> repeater input frequency, it's very likely that you will never hear most 
> of the people you are interfering with. A repeater receiver on a 3,000 ft 
> hilltop is going to hear a lot better than a mobile receiver running 
> along the road below it at 200 ft elevation. It will hear a handheld 
> at fifty miles, in all probability, while you guys in your mobiles may 
> get twenty or thirty miles or less. 

        Hey, guess what, if the repeater owner is OUTRIGHT AND UTTERY
STUPID enough to put a mountaintop repeater on a nationally accepted
simplex frequency (and not even putting on PL access) he had better expect
interference (ie. people not knowing it's a repeater input) at times.  We
are NOT psychic.  How are we supposed to know we're accessing a repeater? 
Kerchunk endlessly while listening on every possible output frequency in
turn to see if we hear ourselves?  I think not.  If no one has the decency
to tell anyone (via Directory's, even though they aren't mandatory) about
the odd split, there's no reason why ham's should be *afraid* to transmit
on a simplex frequency while on a trip and using standard simplex
frequencies just in case we are accessing someone's PRIVATE mountaintop
repeater on his PRIVATE frequency that he feels no one else should have the
gall to use.  Get Real!

> > Now I'm not saying that I wouldn't change frequencies if asked politely,
> > but that often is not the case when you read about all the nasty 
> > comments tossed at those "infringers" on a particular frequency.

> There's no excuse for not knowing what part of the band in your area is 
> used for repeater inputs, and as far as I'm concerned, operating simplex 
> on a repeater input is nothing short of MALICIOUS INTERFERENCE. While you 
> may not be concerned about the possibility, there is every likelihood 
> that sooner or later you will interfere with someone trying to access a 
> repeater to report a traffic accident or call an ambulance.

        Right,  I'll sell my radio now, just in case.  If you read his
post, you would have seen that he was using standard simplex freqs. and
probably low power as they would have been close to each other.  He *DOES*
know the band (national standard simplex).  There's no excuse for being so
irresponsible to put a mountaintop repeater on simplex frequencies, not
publish the freq to state this conflict, which, after all, you state could
affect a life or death situation.  If the band is full, why don't you
follow the advice of many of the other private repeater operators (who
already have what they wanted) : Why not go up to 902, 1240, hell even
2400.  There's LOTS of space up there.  You'll probably say you don't want
to for the same reason all of the other open-repeater supporters have.

> There are always simplex frequencies on every band if you want to operate 
> simplex, just as there are sections set aside for packet, for voice, for 
> cw, etc. Many of the "rules" governing amateur behaviour are not written 
> in national rules and regs, but are practices that have arisen over the 
> years from general agreement and common sense. 

        Yes, and he was on them.

> If you don't like the way repeater spectrum is allocated, get on the 
> coordinating committee, or VUAC. Please don't advocate the anarchy of 
> everyone operating wherever he/she pleases without regard for the rest of
> us.

        Hmmm.  Maybe I'll join a co-ordinating committee across the country
just in case I travel there.  Thanks for the tip.

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