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From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Carrier Command and Gunship - Are they good?
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:25:16 GMT

Original to: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk
In a message of <04 Dec 92 09:48:38>, adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (3:713/602) writes:

 >> Since these games are quite old I guess you'll be able to buy them at a
 >> knock down price. Carrier Command has nice smooth and fast graphics but
 >> the gameplay is crap. The enemy carrier cheats, it's planes are
 >> indestructable it has no amphibious vehicles because it can go on land
 >> itself.
 a> 
 a> The above is true; in addition, the enemy carrier is an expert coward.
 a> It won't come near an island if you're already there, and if you manage
 a> to ambush it, it may wait around to try to finish what it was doing
there,
 a> and then will run away.  When it runs, nothing can catch it, including
its
 a> planes or your missiles.  The other problems with the game are that it
 a> takes some time to get from one island to another, and that controlling
 a> the fighters is not exactly like an accurate flight simulator.

(Actually I like the fighters coz you can concentate on what your are
destroying 8)

A friend and I spent many, many long hours laying the 'perfect trap' for the
enemy carrier, and eventually, having shot down it's planes (which is not
impossible, just hard) and damaged its engines to the point where it is
travelling at a crawl, we followed it (one important requirement for this to
be any fun is to lay the ambush on your stockpile island, otherwise when you
leave to stock up, the enemy will repair & run away.  As the enemy's speed
increases, you give it a few gentle prods with the laser cannon, and it will
slow down again... 

Of course you can just blast it to smithereens, although I have found that
sometimes, once it has been destroyed, another one appears somewhere else 8(

 a> Adrian Hurt                         |  JANET:  adrian@uk.ac.hw.cee

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From: baffoni@phakt.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The Great Falcon Debate
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:03:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <29415@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.145828.2736@aston.ac.uk> wintermi@cs.aston.ac.uk writes:
>>Ahh, but the standard memory is not 32-bit.  If 3rd party 32-bit memory
>>upgrades using the 68882 socket can be made then you are right, but I have
>>not been convinced than this is possible.

>No, the standard memory is 32 bit.  Only the 68030 had 16 bit access to 
>memory, other parts of the Falcon have full 32 bit access.

>	Mark

	If the only thing skimped on is the 16 datalines from the CPU to the
"standard" memory, wouldn't it be possible to simply make an adapter from the
68882 socket (which to my knowledge _must_ have all data lines to the CPU)
and run it to either a) a nice adapter that plugs inbetween the memory card and
the memory socket or b) a nice hack that directly connects the 16 data lines
to the appropriate 16 data lines on the memory card?  This alone should give
a roughly 2x speed increase on CPU throughput (memory expansion aside - I 
personally do not see that the first-time/casual/hobby-type person who buys
the Falcon will be likely to need more than 14MB, but lets not get into _that_
flammage :).  Of course, the speed will still be somewhat slower than that of
the TT as (especially in higher rez/color modes) there will still be a 
significant amount of bandwith being used for video, but nearly all CPU 
accesses will be twice as fast (I say nearly because of factors such as cache,
instruction pipelining, etc. already speed up the '030 to reduce the effects
of such bottlenecks).

	Or is the '030's ability to use 8/16/32 bit data buses not "auto-
sensing" (in which case you would have to alter the logic that decides whether
it is using a 16/32 bit bus)?  Would the software conflict (ie it expects 
16 bits/transfer) or is the bus size transparent to the software?

	I apologize if this has already been asked/answered but I am in the 
process of trying to catchup to some 400 messages :(. 

>-- 
>"A little nonsense now and then,		\ Mark Steyn :          \
> Is relished by the wisest men"			 \ marks@castle.ed.ac.uk \
>          Willy Wonka				  \ mpjs@dcs.ed.ac.uk     \


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: ST on TV
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:38:59 GMT

Did I see a shot of an ST in the Old English Cider (or similar) advert on
Central the other day?  There were about 20 in that channel 4 science proggie
I've forgotten the name of about a week ago.
  Perhaps the ST is not dead after all!

- Leo
From: dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: FOR SALE <<ACCELERATOR>>
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:52:41 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR



  For Sale:

    BRAND NEW!               Turbo 25 Mhz accelerator

   

   Why?  Because it won't work in the MEGA I own.  It works in other machines,
but not mine.  I also need the money.  THe board is in the packaging that it
was sent to me in from Fast Tech.  while I have had problems with it, I will
sell it with the condition that if it doesn't work in your machine, I WILL take
it back!  But since the problems seem to be internal in my machine (hey I have
an AdSpeed in my MEGA and HAVE to boot up in 16Mhz or else it bombs out!).

 Anyway, all offers are being taken.  PLEASE do NOT reply to this message.  I
am going backto Jersey and will not log on again until the middle of January.

PHONE : (908) 583-7075
                     there is a machine or ask for ROB.
From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Summary: Wrong.
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:55:14 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1h0eelINNeqh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399 (Len Stys) writes:
>
>Atari is already BEHIND in technology with the Falcon030.  The only thing
>that the Falcon has over ANY other system is the DSP chip.

I disagree with that statement. I'll tell you in what way: For the price,
the Falcon has the following things that other computers do not seem to
consistently have: (not mentioning the DSP, to show how wrong you are.)

   -> Very fast hard disk port (SCSI-II) that uses the concept of DMA
   
      (unlike most Macs, Quadra, and ANY low cost PC, right?)

   -> 16 bit sampler and 16 bit 8 voice 50Khz sound (though DMA, top that!)

      (NO personal computer I know of has a ADC except the NeXT)

   -> Better than VGA graphics accessed DIRECTLY in the 32 bit RAM

      (You'll need to dish out more money for a graphics card
       capable of similar performance that doesn't go through 
       some slow bus.)

   -> Quite a fast RS-232 port, bidirectional parallel port, built-in
      network port that sounds quite capable, built in MIDI ports,
      2 built in jystick ports, 2 built-in analog joystick ports,
      a cartrige port, a mouse that is made to work with the computer
      from day 1.

      (On PC's, an RS-232 port and Parallel port are listed as features,
       as if you're paying for them or something, not to mention they
       give you an el-cheapo keyboard FREE. Lucky buyer.)

   I'll stop here, that should be enough. For $799 U.S., you just
   will not find a computer as capable as the Falcon would be if
   it were out. Including the Amiga 1200. The Amiga 1200 is pretty
   close, and will probably sell well because it is a very good deal
   (that is, regardless of whether the Falcon has a DSP or not.)

  And thanks to Eric R. Smith the Falcon will run on quite a decent
  multitasking operating system. It has pipes, forks, shared text,
  universal drives, and looks pretty good. The whole operating system
  runs pretty smoothly (I have seen Multi-tos at the Atari Messe '92)
  and I don't think any $799 PC configuration would ever come close
  to the performance of the Falcon, especially were it running
  a Microsoft's DOS and WINDOWS setup.

  My point for all this is that It seems to me that at the price,
  the Falcon030 has _many_ things to make it an overall _much_
  better computer than similarly priced Macs and PC's. The Amiga 1200
  seems nice too, although for now, I kinda want a...
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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Zoo shells
Date: 19 Dec 1992 04:36:28 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

If you run LHarc without ANY parameters, it automatically assumes you
have typed in 

x /x

as the command line!  You can then JUST put the source archive-name, and
the destination path name (including folder to create if desired), and
it goes away, and puts the file/s where you told it to, creating any
directories in the archive in the process!

I usually put my *.LZH file, and LHARC.TTP in a RAM-Disk, double click
on LHARC.TTP, and just type

*.LZH

into the command-line, which (as long as the RAM_Disk is big enough 8-)
extracts all the files, and corresponding directories quite happily!

Another point, GEM comes free with the Atari, Unix does not!  So, if you
can't afford it, (and running it on an 8Mhz machine, with no hard-drive
is a bad idea anyway, especially the no HD bit!) - GEM is a quite
a suitable substitute!  (I don't *mind* command lines, but doing anything
fancy requires too much thought 8-)

Chow 4 Now!


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From: DBRIGHAM@nsf.gov (Dana Brigham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: intellectual property and shit
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:41:45 GMT
Organization: National Science Foundation

>If composers/music writers etc. Didn't do anything without pay, then
>why are the music's of Bach, Mozart, Schubert, etc. etc. Around?!
> 
>Much, if not all of such music was written because people enjoyed
>doing it.  Many people enjoy programming, and as such don't care much
>if they don't get any response (although it's always nice to get 
>compliments 8-)
>==========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.

Ahem, but most well known composers worked and wrote for a living, often 
sponsored by Kings/noblemen.  What, you think Bach sat on the street and 
begged for spare change while he wasn't composing?

Dana Brigham - no tagline, no sig file, just me
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Closed architecture harmful? Maybe.. maybe not
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:38:44 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel) writes:

>700something K , one screen.
>6 sprites.
>100 K code.

>TRUE COLOR PAC-MAN!!!!!!!!!


Don't you mean 2K code... !

The cherries will look luscious!  I might actually try to go and get them 
for a change...

--
Warwick
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: What's Brodie Compuserve address?
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 06:35:14 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

winnipg@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Winnipg) writes:

> Anyone know what B.Brodie's Compuserve address is?
> 

 You will find Bob on GEnie rather than CIS these days. You can
 netmail him on GEnie as well.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: SPRING COMDEX
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:48:40 GMT


Does anyone have dates on the next COMDEX?  Also, any contact info
would be appreciated if possible.  Thanks!

                      Pattie

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Cleared Harddisk...Help.
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 11:26:40 EST

In article <A12878@BN.maus.de> Gerhard_Oppenhorst@bn.maus.de (Gerhard Oppenhorst) writes:
>Gerald Greenberg on Dec 5th, 1992:
>
>> Short version:
>> I did something really stupid.  When using ICD Format to try
>> and redo a partition on a removeable, I accidentally hit
>> CLEAR.  Now the entire syquest platter shows no programs...I
>> believe the programs are still there.  Is there any way to get
>> the directory to them back?
>>
>> Anyway, is there a way for me to fisk the drive? i.e. recover
>> the directory (or whatever it is that was cleared)? Or do I
>> just bite the bullet and start reloading everything?
>
>You cleard FAT and ROOT-DIRECTORY. You have only very little chance to
>restore the data and this will be a manualy job!
>
>At first you should remeber all DIRECTORY-Entries in the ROOT-DIRECTORY
>ans search for them on the disk (Folders and Files) and note the SECTOR-No
>and create a new ENTRY in the ROOT-DIRECTORY. Then you should try a Tool
>which allowes to restore this Folders and Files. But you have to use a Tool
>wich allows you to collect the sectors because the FAT can give no
>information. So you only might be able to restore TEXT-Files.
>
>Having done that you should continue with this in any of the restored
>folders and so on ... :-((.
>
>As you see this job will take you weeks!
>
>Better bite the bullet wich will save you time :-).
>
>
>Gerhard (LogiLex - Germany)

Thanks to all who replied to my original post!  I tried a
couple of the suggestions I received, but didn't get anywhere.
Furthermore, my cartridge was actually bad...I could NOT
reformat it and have now discarded it.  It took me about 3 or
4 days, maybe 10(?) hourse to reconfigure a new cartridge as
close as I can remember to the former one that went bad.  I
guess this was easier than recovering the old info (even if it
would have been possible)...all in all I was lucky to have
copied the irreplaceable stuff before I blew it!
--Gerry
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon - Future
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:15:25 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <723856948.23343@minster.york.ac.uk> mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew Lodge) writes:
> In article <921206483@ritz.mordor.com> ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz) writes:
> >Yes, it does exist.  The only problem is that you have to sell your car
> >to pay for it.  Who in their right mind is going to buy a low-budget
> >computer like an Atari TT and then go out and spend roughly the same
> >amount (plus or minus US$500 or so) for an operating system?  It just doesn't
> >make any sense.  That is our old "friend" Atari...snatching defeat from
> >the jaws of victory again.
> >
> >If you have a 3/486 machine, you can get unix for FREE!  Yes, for FREE!
> >Hop over to your nearest mirror site and get (using anon FTP) BSD386
> >or Linux.  Both come with full SOURCE.  If you want something a little
> >more polished, try Mark Williams Co's (Remember them?  They used to
> >develop for Atari.) Coherent for the tune of US$99.
> 
> Ah, Chris. Good to see you back.
> 
> The thing about Atari ASV is that is ASV -- Atari System V. That means that
> you can buy off-the-shelf SysV 68K binaries and they'll run on your TT. This
> is better for people who want to do serious Unix work, rather than compile
> other sources.

Is it ABI complient?  Are there any off the shelf binaries available?

> I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with compiling your own source,
> or indeed playing about with Unix. It's just that ASV is aimed at a
> different market.
> 
> What's more, the same company that did the Atari Unix port also did the
> Amiga SysV port, and the Mac SysV port.

Since Commodore did their own System V port for the Amiga, the above is
pretty bogus...

> You're right about the price tho'

-- 
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From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Multi-tasking
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:53:02 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, Rocky Mountains.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: katmandu.solbourne.com


 Is MiNT the defacto standard for multi-tasking on the st?

 I've heard that GFA-Basic programs don't work under MiNT. Is 
 this true?
 
 What is known about MX2? Is it any good or just an attempt at 
 multi-tasking 

 Thank you.


  Steve Matson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: SCSI Floppy Drives
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:16:41 GMT

In article <71707@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>Ah yes... I'd forgotten about the Floptical drives..!
>
>True, that would fill most of the functions of an external floppy drive,
>and as Dan mentioned, it comes with a free 21 Meg removable media
>"semi hard" drive..
> 
>It's most glaring drawback though is $300 for a "second floppy drive"..
>
>It feels hard to justify that when you can get 100-120 Megs of "real"
>hard drive for about that much, or a 44Meg SyQuest.. (then again, I paid
>a lot more than that for my first Atari 810 disk drive..!)
>
>BobR

I think that for a month or two ago it was mentioned by someone that
there were SCSI ordinary disk drives somewhere to get, I guess that if
that is true then it wouldn't cost as much as a floptical, but maybe a
bit higher than ordinary drives anyway.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Falcon specs and price wanted
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:52:29 GMT

In article <7340108@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rossin@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ted Rossin) writes:
>Anyone heard of MPEG?

Uh, yeah... What's yer point?


-- 
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Distribution: na
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 10:40:38 EST
From: <EENG6826@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Help me with ANSI esc-sequences?

Look for a file called ansi_x3_64.txt, its available at most FTP
sites.

Carlos Varela
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP please!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:29:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec14.163917.11993@newshost.lanl.gov>

To add to John Hutchinson's recommendations for getting the most out
of a Mega 4ST..

Probably the best upgrade would be the TEC board from CodeHead (in the US).
They have a model which just plugs into the Mega bus connector and is
extremely easy to install.  TOS 2.06 eliminates the need for most of the
AUTO folder patches, speeds up disk access and increases the functionality
of the desktop tremendously.
 
The expansion connector has a few things available for it, but the choices
are very limited (Moniterm monitor card, math coprocessor, umm..?). The
best use of it is for the TEC card, in my opinion.

A disk cache will speed up reads from the hard drive, but only really if
your applications hit the disk a lot.  Things like compilation, database
lookups, anything that reads the same sectors a lot.  Using one with
applications that just load and run, and maybe save a document occasionally
won't really gain much from the cache.  On the other hand, with 4 Megs
available, there's not much reason not to run one.

Also, one of the nice things about the Mega is that the SST board from
Gadgets will fit..!

BobR
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon - Future
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:22:57 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

In <71394@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:


>Hmm.. "Michael Smith"  (I think that must be his name) blathers
>about PCs..


Come on Bob, everyone else politely uses

        "Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:"

So why can't you, or have your personal problems with Atari Corp spread
to include everyone who owns an Atari Corp product?


--
Warwick

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 20:43:33 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Remember guys, putting all these fancy processors in the machine costs
$$$ - Atari seems to be trying to keep the price of the Falcon down!

Do you really *need* 64-bit graphics processing?? I don't think so!


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 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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