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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: My $0.02 on England vs Scotland
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:50:35 GMT


In my humble opinion, despite all the rantings of Rangers fans about their
club being the best in Britain (which I happen to agree with right now), the
English Premier League is clearly a better league than its Scottish counterpart.
There are, I believe, several reasons for this, but here I will expand on just
one which hasn't really been touched so far in this newsgroup. 

The reason is obvious: CLOSENESS OF COMPETITION. One of the basic qualities of
a good league is that it should be consistently close, in order to sustain
public interest. In England these days it is very rare for a team to take the
title 2 years in a row, what is more the makeup of the 'Top 3' (UEFA spots etc.)
is always different. The title itself usually goes down to the last month and
often to the last 1 or 2 fixtures of the season. Yet in Scotland we have the
situation where Rangers have won 4 in a row and are odds-on to make it 5 this
season (IMHO). The gap between Rangers and 'whoever is second' is already so
large, and increasing, that most likely the issue will be decided with at
least 8 or 10 rounds remaining of the scheduled 44. Then we will get 2 months
of 'dead games' with nothing to play for (other than 2nd/3rd and the remaining
UEFA spots - BIG DEAL, whoever finishes 2nd and 3rd will get dumped in the first
round in Europe next season anyway !!!) 

So, in essence, what we have in Scotland right now (if current trends/form
continues) is Rangers the dominant force who are consistently a class above
everyone else in the whole league. THIS DOES NOT MAKE FOR A QUALITY LEAGUE !!!
The average playing standard may be higher (so they say - I happen to disagree)
but even if it is, this definitely does NOT translate to the Scottish league 
being superior, when you take the above argument on 'closeness' into account. 

NOW, before all you Rangers fans turn up the flaming, let me say: I am NOT
writing this with the attitude "Rangers are wrecking Scottish football/They
are too good/I hate them" etc. If it was Celtic, Liverpool, Manchester United
or anyone else in the same situation I would write exactly the same thing. I
have no reason to hate Glasgow Rangers, and I don't. All I am saying is that
I believe this issue is one of the fundamental reasons why the English league
is Britain's best (even though it may not have Britain's best team for the
moment !!)

Any feedback ? Email me - once I get this asbestos suit adjusted.

Regards,
  
-- 
Tim Hatfield (B Sc)      _--_|\  | "Indeed in nothing is the power of the Dark 
EX-University of Sydney /      \ |  Lord more clearly seen than in the  
timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au \_.--._* |  estrangement that divides all those who 
ak530@po.cwru.edu             v  |  still oppose him." Haldir, Lord Of The Rings
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Coca cola cup?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:13:08 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
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In article <1992Nov17.174629@iti.gov.sg> harin@iti.gov.sg writes:
>
>First named team is the home team :
>
>3rd Round (posponed game)
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>Leeds United       1-2     Oldham

I think you'll find it was:

Watford 2-1 Leeds Utd

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: English News: FA Cup results
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:24:44 GMT

In article <MNEWS.721913479.1191@gate.demon.co.uk> J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>
>Finally another Gresley defeat to report, 3-5 at home v. Newport AFC, their
>lead is now just 1 point over Evesham United who have played 2 games more.


Ooooffff!  That one hurt!  Just rounded out a miserable sports weekend for me.

	Thanks again, James.

-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
=========| Gresley Rovers Football Club ("The Moatmen"), founded 1882 |=========
From: PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Inter - Stuttgart friendly
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:20:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        Well, I was very surprised anyway!
                                                         Panos Karliotis
                                                         PKARLIOT@knox
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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Japan (& soccer in the US)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:59:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <BxzIp1.Muu@hsi.com> mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft) writes:
>
>I would be glad to draft letters to these organizations and have others
>tear them apart.  Anyone want to join me?
>
>Dan   

Yes. Do it.  I'm with you.

===================================================================
Bob Moynihan                         Go Ipswich Town!
moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Never let the rocks cry out.
===================================================================
  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not for Hewlett-Packard Co.
===================================================================
From: eswaran3372@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:37:44 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov20.171514.21265@bmers145.bnr.ca>, passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>  I have to say, the last WC was ruined a bit for me by the number of teams
>  which played a game VERY conservatively, because the 50-50 odds of
>  the tie-breaking  shoot out was better than they could hope for if they
>  actually tried to go for the win during regulation. Argentina, in particular,
>  comes to mind. I understand that FIFA has made a rule that keepers cannot
>  handle a ball which has been "intentionally" passed to them from a team
>  mate. But has anything else been done to make sure teams don't play for
>  a tie? Are there any plans in the works to elliminate the shoot out?
>  I realize TV coverage plays a big part in forcing the games to be played in
>  a relatively deterministic amount of time, but that doesn't seem to have
>  affected baseball.

 

 I beg to disagree with this argument. It is not the final outcome
of any game that makes the sport in question less/more attractive
than the rest. In fact, most of us enjoy games which end something
like 3-3 (i.e., a draw). The point is how well that game was played.
Another way to look at the same issue is this: A soccer game between
a great team and a relatively weak team may very well end up in a
tennis score. Does this  necessarily mean the game was really enjoyable?
Personally, I enjoy games between teams of equal caliber best eventhough
the result would, quite likely, be a draw. (Anyway, your example is well
taken)

To travel is better than to arrive.

Sasi M. Eswaran
423 G Street, HSC
Cedar Falls, IA 50613              ESWARAN3372@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.polish
From: ins548h@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr M.S. Popkowski)
Subject: Re: Cup of Poland - 1/8 finals
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:10:25 GMT

Organization: Monash University
  
  Cos mi sie wydaje, ze powinno byc raczej "Polish Cup",
a nie "Cup of Poland". Tak jak mowi sie "Melbourne Cup",
a nie "Cup of Melbourne"
Mirek
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: reds@gribb.hsr.no (Svendsen, Trygve       7-95)
Subject: Re: English Premier Division results, Sat Nov 21st
Keywords: plus First Division results
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:45:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.191652.3924@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
>Subject: English Premier Division results, Sat Nov 21st
>Keywords: plus First Division results
>Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:16:52 GMT

>Terrible weather conditions all over Britain today. Three matches in
>Scotland were abandoned because of snow, and most of the other games
>were played under heavy rain.
>Norwich increase their lead at the top of the table after Arsenal 
>are beaten by Leeds.

>LEEDS  3  ARSENAL 0
>Two goals by Rod Wallace and a third late in the game by ?????, gave
>Leeds an emphatic victory over Arsenal. According to the commentators
>the pitch was unplayable. Arsenal had to play most of the second half with
>substitute goalkeeper Alan Miller after David Seaman got injured.

The goals was scored by Fairclough, Chapman and McAllister. 
The pitch was vey wet, but playable(as for Arsenal, any pitch is unplayable
for them)
>COVENTRY  2  MAN CITY  3
>Quinn (2)    Sheron
>             Simpson
>             Curle (pen)
>Att: 14,500
>Big comeback for Man City after Coventry took a 2-0 lead.

>CRYSTAL PALACE  1  NOTTM FOREST 1
>Armstrong          Woan

The Forest goal was by Gary Bannister I think.

>MIDDLESBORO  2  WIMBLEDON  0
>Hendry
>Morris

>NORWICH  2     SHEFFIELD UNITED  1
>Beasley (o.g)  Cork
>Robbins 85'
>Att: 14,874

>SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY  1  IPSWICH  1
>Thompson (o.g.)         Kiwomya

>EVERTON  0  CHELSEA  1
>           Harford (I think)

No, it was by Fleck.

TRYGVE SVENDSEN
NORWAY

>TOTTENHAM  0   ASTON VILLA  0
PS! Erik Thorstvedt hasn't allowed a goal in 405 minutes.

>MAN UNITED  3  OLDHAM  0
>McClair (2)
>Hughes 



>First Divsion
>-------------
>Portsmouth 4  Tranmere 0
>Bristol C  2  Swindon 2
>Brentford  1  Grimsby 2
>Barnsley   1  Birmingham 0
>Derby      0  Sunderland 1
>Leicester  2  Cambridge 2
>Luton      1  Millwall 1
>Newcastle  2  Watford 0
>West Ham   5  Oxford 3
>Peterboro  0  Bristol R 0

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Video Nasty
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:21:50 GMT

Poor old Vinny Jones, 20,000 out of pocket for appearing in a video
illustrating all that is bad about football.  Had the FA seen the recent
release on 1690 Video entitled Super Ally then perhaps they would be more
lenient on the hard tackling maestro.  After all the Jones' video didn't focus
too much on SAlly's cheeky little grin - the most criminal thing in football!

Note*

The above statement is not clouded by the fact that McCoist has scored 432
goals already this season which is 20X more than the entire front lines of
Celtic, Airdrie, Marseille (Allez allez allez!) and S. Hussein's khaki and
brown army .  Of course this means that he has also scored 431x more than our
Parish Priest but don't tell the bishop (Winning not Harold).  


As always,
Dan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: Cloughie for England Manager?
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:12:57 GMT


> I don't think Cloughie would make a good national manager (I don't think
> Taylor does either:-) My logic behind this is that Brian's greatest skill
> in Football management is to motivate players who many would consider
> 'lesser' to a greater level of performance. 

Exactly. That is why England need him so badly at the moment ;-)

But seriously, your points about the FA never appointing him are
depressingly valid. Such short-sightedness is a hallmark of our Lancaster
gate leaders. God forbid that we could consider having an England manager
with the nerve to call an England performance as "crap" just because it
was, never mind criticize the FA itself !!


Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Russians s**t on Liverpool
Organization: Wits University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 14:25:56 RSA

In article <1992Nov18.224013.14307@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
astro@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Phillip Vyp'ev-Zakusim) writes:
 
>
>>Spartak won the first game in Moscow 4-2!!!!
>>
>>
>>SPARTAK - CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>not quite... Dinamo Kiev can kick their butts anytime.  Too bad all their best players are overseas, plus they aren't playing in the same league.
 
As long as Liverpool's butts got kicked, who cares !!
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:37:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov22.203749.2516
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov22.173948.27583@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>
>Well, the current Italian average of 3.4 goals isn't too bad, is it? There is
>nothing wrong with goalless draws as long as both teams try to do their best
>down on the pitch. Anyone can mention a huge number of exciting low-scoring
>games that kept the audience on the edge of their seats (um, perhaps because
>most soccer games tend to be low-scoring these days:-). But NO ONE should be
>forced to put up with time wasting and negative, defensive tactics! FIFA's
>decision to effectively ban the back-pass was a commendable step in the right
>direction. The only thing missing is a second timer that would start counting 
>down from 60 minutes as soon as the game begins and is suspended every time 
>the ball is not in play (injuries, goalies wasting time by "bouncing" the 
>ball, moving the "wall" during free kicks etc.), then adding all the extra 
>time lost [if any] to the game after the regular 90 minutes are up. The end
>result would of course be 60 minutes of effective playing time, disguised as 90
>minutes plus "fairly allocated" extra time determined by a watch rather than
>the referee. No longer would players be able to bend the rules by faking

Sorry but this sounds more like American Football with each iteration. I don't
like referees that much but they have to be given ultimate discretion for
events on the field. Professional referees usually spot the actors foul and
even if they don't immediately, they have the option to card them afterwards
(which is a crowd pleaser). If teams want to play negative, cynical football
they will do so what ever you do. It takes just as much skill to accurately
pass a ball forward as it does to pass back. I remember a game in the '82
world cup (I think Brazil was involved). I counted at least 10 passes by the
defence and at no time did the ball go to keeper or into opponents half. Is
this negative football or slow build? Should the referee give a free kick?
As for the current spree of goals in Italy (incidently, the average this
season so far is much higher than last season in Italy, source The Observer
from about 2 weeks ago, even though the rule was in effect last season) is
this due to defensive give-aways or better attacking goals?
From: henrique@white.dfci.harvard.edu (Henrique M. Silva)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: PALMEIRAS - ATLETICO-PR
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:35:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


     E ai PALMEIRENSES de todo mundo.

     O VERDAO joga hoje contra o ATLETICO-PR pelas semifinais da Copa Brasil.
Apesar da surpreendente derrota pra filial quarta-feira(descansando pra esse
jogo), nos vamos liquidar esses Atleticanos. O VERDAO ganhou o primeiro jogo
em Curitiba, 1-0, e joga pelo empate ou vitoria. O ganhador desse jogo 
enfrenta o Internacional-PA nas finais. O campeao e vice disputarao a Taca
Libertadores no ano que vem. Enquanto isso no campeonato paulista, as coisas 
ficam um pouco mais dificeis para o VERDAO, mas ainda so depende dele mesmo. O 
VERDAO tem mais dois jogos em casa, "curintia" e Mogi Mirin, enquanto a filial
de Campinas tambem joga contra os mesmos dois times, mas nao sei aonde. Estou
ouvindo uns papos de que o "curintia" e o Mogi Mirim vao entregar o jogo pro
Guarani para dificultar as coisas, mas mesmo assim o VERDAO vai se classificar
para as finais. Outro papo e' de que o Sao Paulo, ja classificado para as finais
esta ameacando jogar com os reservas, pois estara jogando no Japao contra o
Barcelona da Espanha para a copa mundial de clubes.
   
    Espero que alguem que tenha um bom coracao nos avise o resultado do jogo
de hoje aa noite , e ate a proxima.

   Henrique "VERDAO ATE MORRER" Silva
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Cyprus - week 7
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:15:05 GMT



APOLLWN      2  APOEL        2
OMONOIA      4  EPA          2
POL          2  ENWSIS       2
APOP         1  SALAMINA     2
AXNA         3  AEL          2
ARIS         5  EUAGORAS     1
ANORTHOSIS   1  OLYMPIAKOS   0


                             11/15/1992


                                   G     Pts    TY    TK
            ( 1)  SALAMINA         7     19     15    3
            ( 2)  AXNA             7     15     15    8
            ( 3)  OMONOIA          7     14     30   11
            ( 4)  APOLLWN          7     14     21   11
            ( 5)  ANORTHOSIS       7     13     10    9
            ( 6)  APOEL            7     12     15    8
            ( 7)  AEL              7      9     14   13
            ( 8)  OLYMPIAKOS       7      9      6   16
            ( 9)  EPA              7      8      9   12
            (10)  ARIS             7      7     12   20
            (11)  ENWSIS           7      7     10   18
            (12)  POL              7      4      8   12
            (13)  EUAGORAS         7      4      7   16
            (14)  APOP             7      3      5   20



Theodoros

From: goodall@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andy Goodall)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:05:44 GMT
Subject: Non-League Soccer Programs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard SSG/CCSY-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer

        Is there anybody out there who would be interested in swapping or
buying English non-League soccer programs. I have a selection of programs
from the last four years or so. They are mostly Diadora (Vauxhall Opel, 
Isthmian) league and Vauxhall Conference. There are also a number of FA
Cup, Vase and Trophy programs. 

        I would be interested in any programs from British teams abroad,
and also any programs from lower leagues around the world.
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 08:32:46 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ernst Happel has died
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Saturday afternoon Ernst Happel passed away in an Innsbruck hospital, at the
age of 66. All of Austrian, and much if not all of Europe's football mourns
one of the most characteristic and charismatic figures in the game.
Both Germany and Austria will wear black ribbons at Wednesday's friendly in
Nuremberg.


Ernst Happel was born in Vienna, November 29, 1925. His playing career he
spent with Rapid Wien, one of the best European clubteams of that area, from
1938 to 1958, with a short intermezzo (54-56) at Racing Paris.
He obtained 51 caps for the Austrian national team, and particpated in the
1954 and 1958 World Cups.
With Rapid he was 6 times Austrian champion and once Cup winner. His greatest
moment as a player was probably the Champions Cup match (2nd round) against
Cup holders Real Madrid, November 14, 1956. Having lost the first match 4-2
in Madrid, Happel scored thrice, by two free kicks from 25 meters out and
one penalty, to give Rapid a 3-0 lead. However, Di Stefano pulled one goal
back, to fix the result at 3-1, and in the deciding game (no away goals rule
then), Madrid won 2-0 in Madrid (the Rapid management had agreed to play the
match there, in return for money of course).

However, Happel achieved his greatest fame as trainer. With 17 domestic and
international titles, he holds a world record. His wins:

Championships:
Feyenoord 1969
FC Brugge 1976, 1977, 1978
Hamburger SV 1982, 1983
FCS Tirol 1989, 1990

European Champions Cups:
Feyenoord 1970
Hamburger SV 1983

World Cup for Clubteams:
Feyenoord 1970

Domestic Cups:
ADO (The Hague) 1968
Feyenoord 1969
FC Brugge 1977
Standard (Liege) 1981
Hamburger SV 1987
FCS Tirol 1989

Near misses include  UEFA Cup Finals with FC Brugge (1976), and HSV (1982),
another Champions Cup Final with FC Brugge (1978) and, last but not least,
the World Cup Final 1978 with The Netherlands.

He was Austrian "Teamchef" since the beginning of this year, and even in such
a short time has managed to give the Austrian team new "Schwung".

He will be sorely missed.

--
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: atwoodc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Charles Atwood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup '94 : Tickets?
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:07:07 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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SXK120@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
: Now that the schedule for the WC '94 has been set(at least the dates and sites)
: , does anyone have info on where to write for ticket info/ orders ?  Thanks.
: 
: -Samir Khosla,  sxk120@psuvm.psu.edu

I know how much everybody hates "me too" posts because I am one of those
people,  but

"ME TOO"  I would almost kill for World Cup tickets.

 -Charles Atwood   atwoodc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu

-- 

I like vanilla icing.
It's not just for eating anymore:
    clothing
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Cyprus - 8th week
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:28:36 GMT


From: THEODOROS <TPASCHALIDES@BPA.ARIZONA.EDU>

Some of the Cyprus' 8th week results:


APOEL        2 APOP         0
AEL          1 ARIS         2
SALAMINA     2 AXNA         1
EUAGORAS     3 ANORTHOSIS   1
ENWSIS       2 EPA          0



                      CYPRUS SOCCER CHAMPIONSHIP 11/21/92
                     --------------------------------------

                TEAM       GAMES  PNTS      W   DR  D    GF   GA
           1   SALAMINA      8     22       7   1   0    17   4
           2   APOEL         8     15       4   3   1    17   8
           3   AXNA          8     15       5   0   3    16  10
           4   OMONOIA       7     14       4   2   1    30  11
           5   APOLLWN       7     14       4   2   1    21  11
           6   ANORTHOSIS    8     13       4   1   3    11  12
           7   ARIS          8     10       3   1   4    14  21
           8   ENWSIS        8     10       3   1   4    12  18
           9   AEL           8      9       3   0   5    15  15
          10   OLYMPIAKOS    7      9       3   0   4     6  16
          11   EPA           8      8       2   2   4     9  14
          12   EUAGORAS      8      7       2   1   5    10  17
          13   POL           7      4       0   4   3     8  12
          14   APOP          8      3       1   0   7     5  22

Theodoros
From: PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: My $0.02 on England vs Scotland
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:44:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

      I thought Aberdeen and Celtic were pretty good too...
      By the way, do you happen to know if Aberdeen has played Rangers and
      Celitic yet?  If Aberdeen has played both or only one of them can you
      please give me the scores? Thanks.
                                                               Panos Karliotis
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