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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No Figs in the Apple Newton 
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:30:34 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Sat 22 Aug 92  2:32, Rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (mark
wrote:

 R> That reminds me:
 R> (from Computer World July 6, 1992)

 R> "Only a year after Apple shelled out $26.5 million to settle a suit
 R> brought
 R> by The Beatles over the name "Apple", the company may be facing
 R> another
 R> fight. This years offender: Newton. Those in the industry may remember
 R> it
 R> as the moniker of an upcoming handheld personal computer from Apple,
 R> but the rest of the world knows it as a fig cookie made by Nabisco
 R> Foods
 R> Group. Nabisco has held the "Newton" trademark for 101 years... and
 R> has
 R> been known to be very protective of its rights."

 R> Mark

Also, the name Macintosh had to be licenced from some other source, and the
"Classic" in Mac Classic had to be licenced as well. Apple seems to have
this habit of always picking names that somebody else has rights to...
(I can't find my System Reference Guide right now, otherwise I would have
quoted the fine print that says who owns the rights to what.)

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= Financial Results
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:57:29 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Wright State University

In article <torrie.714291031@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>   I guess MB hasn't read the news today; otherwise he'd be posting.
> 
>   Just to summarise, Commodore's stock dropped around 25% today
> to $6.785 after reporting a loss of $21.9 million for the 
> 4th quarter of 92.  Revenues were $140.7 million for the quarter, 
> and $911 million for the year (down from $1.05 billion in 1991).
> 
	To add to that:

	"Analysts agreed that ... good potential for new models of its
	Amiga  personal computer as well as some novel handheld products"

	"the company discontinued a line of low-end PCs"

	"...the stock might be attractive at this level"

	"...there's a lot more upside to the stock than a downsid.  It's
	just smart to wait and see whether the momentum can snap back."

	basically the analysts gave Commodore a 'buy' or a 'hold'
	rating.                                                      

	Don't be starting these MB type posts, with only half the story.
	Admittedly, this is not really good news but don't take it out of
	context.

	
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
> Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.

Fred heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
'If Clinton and Gore are moderates, then I'm a world champion speller'
			-- Dan Quayle
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Huh? (was Re: Hah! (was Re: Huh?))
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:53:09 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <47562@cup.portal.com> barrett@cs.umass.edu writes:
>>Hey, I'm not the one with the overhanging forehead, bison breath.

In article <64450@cup.portal.com> Gleeep@carp.porpoise.com (Drool - Silently) writes:
>Then why does your hairbrush have a curved handle and what caused those
>dents in your windshield?

	Mere artifacts of beating up on BLAZEMONGER pirates.  First,
we whack them with the hairbrush until they confess.  Then we become
merciful and run them over with the Pacer. :-)

>Some day the animal rights activists will catch you and take you before
>ChpChpChp, the Beaver God - then you will know true attonement as your
>lungs are ripped out and used as plaster in a small dam on an unknown
>stream in the Yukon.

	No doubt a stream fed by your own pustulent fluids, Mr. "I worship
my Macintosh by licking my bodily parts in public" Bleeep or whatever your
name is.

>So...YOU get a life, nipple-ears.  Maybe someday if you're lucky, MGM will
>film "Life in Cretin Gorge" and let you be the star.

	Hah!  Little did you know that "MGM" stands for "Mush Gleeep's
Macintosh" which is exactly what your pitiful excuse for a defective abacus
deserves.  May your disk drives be filled with gerbil vomit while Julia
Child serves up tasty tidbits which are far more effective than your
postings pretend to be.  Net child, feeeble geeezer, your best efforts
conjure up the image of a decapitated loser trying to see past his own ego.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Complaining
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:27:29 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug14.014128.7598@nntp.uoregon.edu>, ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
> 
> .......[ bitching about bitching ]
> knows that Commodore has not done the most glorious thing with the Amiga since
> 1985. But for Zax's sake, GIVE IT A REST.

	Ok, I give up.  Who's 'Zax?'
 
>    If you can't say anything constructive, don't say ANYTHING at all. 
>    As some dead English guy once said:
> 
	Was that constructive?

>    "... full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
> 
>    I think he meant comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 
> All opinions expressed are my own.          Internet: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Only my opinions ***
From: william@terapin.com (William Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A500 No Longer works...Need Help
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:17:13 PST
Organization: BBS

                  A500 DONT BOOT UP NORMALLY
 
 
     My friend have an Amiga 500 system that no longer works.  Whenever
he boot up his system, he recieve a bright GREEN Color and the POWER
LIGHT will FLASH 10 times then one LONG FLASH, and the screen BLINK ONCE
As the screen BLINKS ONCE, it starts over with the 10 FLASH, etc. REPEATLY
 
     If you have any suggestions or ideas on solving this minor problem,
     PLEASE LEAVE ME MAIL HERE.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:06:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.034540.4880@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes:
>: Wrong...the death penalty is punishment for the 'murder'--unlawful taking
>: of an innocent life--that the perpetrator commited.
>: And I'm saying you're wrong.
>
>It should never be LEGAL to take someone's life.  Not even a
>murderer's.  That's what it is.  It's the taking of someone's life to
>punish someone for being convicted of murder.  Convicted of does not
>equal is guilty of.  It should be, but it doesn't HAVE to be.
>
>I don't think I'm wrong.  If you could find some way into making me
>think that murder is right under certain circumstances, then perhaps
>I'll vote you into the presidency.  I just don't think you can do it.

Great.

Suppose you were able to somehow MURDER IN COLD CRUEL BLOOD Adolph Hitler,
perhaps during his stint in WWI, perhaps while he was in prison, whatever..
would you consider that justified?  MURDER the man in cold blood, and
preventing German nationalism becoming National Socialist Fascism? and
perhaps save million upon MILLIONS of other people's lives? is this at least
an appropriate circumstance? is it too late to get on the Presidential
ballot? :)

>(:	  "Flesh-pressing:  It's not just for politics anymore."         :)

"Ted Kennedy is the only 60 year old man who still goes to Florida
for Spring Break" -Pat Buchanon, 8-17-1992. :-)
(Hey, in the middle of all these SMILEYS, how can I loose? :)  )
>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
>(: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


--
Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 
"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Subject: Re: Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 07:51:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

You know something else?
Jay Miner was the one who made Atari famous. 
Jay Miner was the same guy who designed the Atari 2600 game 
machine. You remeber those old days of Space invaders
and Pong? That was Jay Miner's baby. And get this, Atari hired Miner,
Miner didn't ask for the job. 

So, if there had been no Miner, there would have been no Atari.
And CBM's would still be ahead of the rest.
IBM probably wouldn't have moved into the personal computer market
at all, if there had been no Atari. 

But CBM would still be making CPM clones and C64's. Ughh!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:10:26 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Aug17.050038.293@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>In article <root.0295@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>This would seem to be politically unsound on the part of Commodore.  When
>>China takes over Hong Kong in 1997, Commodore could easily lose that plant.
>>At this time, companies who are already in Hong Kong are working on
>>contingency plans for pulling out.
>>
>>It's almost funny.
>
>Commodore will lose nothing.  The People's Republic Of China has promised to
>leave Hong Kong alone after they reclaim it in 1997.  In other words, they
>are *NOT* going to drive into Hong Kong with tanks and take everything by
>force.  Many US companies have production plants in Hong Kong. Some of them
>are planning to take a chance and stay there.

That's good.

Of course, if they closed down Hong Kong, they would be closing down the
world capital of software piracy. :-)

And you still have to remember that the People's Republic of China is
capable of things like Tianenmen Square.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: william@terapin.com (William Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: GREEN SCREEN...Need Help
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:29:31 PST
Organization: BBS

                  A500 DONT BOOT UP NORMALLY
 
 
     My friend have an Amiga 500 system that no longer works.  Whenever
he boot up his system, he recieve a bright GREEN Color and the POWER
LIGHT will FLASH 10 times then one LONG FLASH, and the screen BLINK ONCE
As the screen BLINKS ONCE, it starts over with the 10 FLASH, etc. REPEATLY
 
     If you have any suggestions or ideas on solving this minor problem,
     PLEASE LEAVE ME MAIL HERE.
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:05:13 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>I must point out that the Congress has much more control over
>what the DoD gets than the DoD itself.  Like the Osprey - the pork
>barrel Congress won't let it die; the DoD DOESN'T WANT the Osprey - 
>it wants the funds better spent.  The Congress, however, shoves it down
>their throat anyway.

  Better spent?  On what, another Bradley?  Both sides have pushed for ill-
conceived programs, not just Congress.  

>Sure it could.  The role a nuclear bomber plays is for hitting target after
>the initial ICBM/sub waves, after which point the ONLY radar capable of
>detecting the B-2 would be presumably destroyed.

  After a few air blasts there are going to be precious few operational targets
left to go after.  The EMF pulse from a modern warhead would render most 
everything useless due to the electronics involved.

  Besides, even if there were a few remaining targets, what good would it do?
They'd have already lauched a response to the initial attack (us or them, it
doesn't matter who started it), and it would be over, completely.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: SCSI II Controllers
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.032115.24012@cs.olemiss.edu> skip@cs.olemiss.edu
(Skip Sauls) writes:

>When I first heard about the IDE interface I thought it sucked, but it
>will be nice to be able to add huge and cheap hard drives.  Still, I
>hope that someone quickly releases a Zorro III SCSI board so I can 
>cannibalize my A3000s drive.

Not to mention the possibility of SCSI II controllers, as the drives
are becoming more prevalent and two vendors already have support
integrated into their accelerators.

Mark

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 = Mark Rickan                         ...!uunet!utai!utgpu!maccs!rickan = 
 = DCSS, McMaster University               rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca = 
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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.194236.17358@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>[lots of stuff deleted...]
>: Maybe. It was running Coherent, rather than Unix, and the Z8000 processor
>: never quite took off in the marketplace.
>
>	I'm not sure if I'm remembering the correct processor, but wasn't the
>Z8000 awfully buggy?

It was a nice, simple 16 bit chip.  The standard MMU you could get
for it was rather baroque, however :-)  Overall, it had fewer features
than the 68000 family.  Zilog kept trying to convince me that this 
was good;  a precursor to the RISC chip, so to speak :-)

>Greg

		andy
-- 
andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy

"If God had intended computers to work this way, He would have
 designed them differently."

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Note:  this will be my last post concerning this political stuff (hooray!
 is hear most of you saying :^))


 c.s.a.a has what might be fairly termed a broad range of topics, but 
 this thread is probably not appropriate.

In article <3560@faatcrl.UUCP> you write:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>I must point out that the Congress has much more control over
>>what the DoD gets than the DoD itself.  Like the Osprey - the pork
>>barrel Congress won't let it die; the DoD DOESN'T WANT the Osprey - 
>>it wants the funds better spent.  The Congress, however, shoves it down
>>their throat anyway.
>
>  Better spent?  On what, another Bradley?  Both sides have pushed for ill-
>conceived programs, not just Congress.  
>

I have a couple of questions.

Are the people responsible for paying defense contractors properly
members of the military?

If so, could not the President (being Commander in Chief) simply
ORDER them to refuse to make funds available?

No doubt the Demopublican Congress, whose primary mission seems to
be to control as many things as possible, is empowered to prevent
such a thing... too bad, it would make for an interesting gambit...

   Dave
From: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga as presentation platform
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:45:57 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Just finished giving a presentation on our Vital Signs/ESA product (VM/XA,
VM/ESA 390 mode system monitor) for about 50 sales reps from the US and
overseas.  I used my Amiga 3000 and Amigavision hooked up to a large NEC
monitor.  
 
The presentation lasted an hour and a half and I used 3270 screen shots, IFF
backdrops created with Dpaint and ADPRO, Sound Digitized via Sound Magic, and
an opening anim created with Imagine 2.0.  I put this all together in about 4
days ( would have been shorter except i hadn't used AmigaVision or Imagine for
awhile).
 
I was a little nervous about taking this approach.  Everone else was using an
overhead or live feed to the mainframe.  I wondered if the Anim and sounds etc
would distract from the presentation.
 
Well, when I was finished I was given 2 rounds of loud applause.  A number of
sales reps told me it was the best presentation they had EVER seen.  About
half of them want to take the AmigaVision script back with them to Europe and
Australia.  They said they have seen presentations and demos on PC's (read ibm
compatible) but this beats them all.
 
One sales rep from New Zealand is now pressuring out CEO to put together this
kind of presentation for all our products.... They want the AMIGA to deliver
the message!
 
It's funny, I just pulled the lates ad out of PC week that states "The Amiga
isn't just a better way to present, It's a better way to sell".... I can
assure you this is not just marketing BS, it is the truth.  We have a ton of
PC's in house and a Mac.  Our marketing people tried to do something like this
last year but basically gave up because of the difficulty of doing Multimedia
on the other platforms.
 
And to think I was just scratching the surface... didn't use any video or any
other add ons...... 
 
I laugh at those who think the Amiga is only good for games... fools all of
you.  
 
CBM....
 
Keep up with the ad campaign.... and HIT HARD.
 
People....
 
If you own an Amiga, take a risk and try something new with it like i did.. It
will NOT let you down!
 

UUCP: {tcnet, crash, quest}!orbit!pnet51!marv
ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!marv@nosc.mil
INET: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DIR
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:41:06 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Aug17.022358.28042@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.200425.3953@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>In <1992Aug16.162748.25000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>>Yes, FP is a factor, but the last I read, 486-33 has about the same FP as the
>>>040-25.
>>
>>I can assure you. That is definitely NOT the case.
>>
>>Regards,
>>-- 
>>Michael van Elst
>
>Well Michael here's your chance to assure us.  Here is some articles which
>came from people who had the specs and tests.  There are some Magazine pages
>and which mags some of the specs came from.  And remember as well these tests
>were done without the Weitek 4167 which is a Math co-processor for the 486DX
>machines.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>============================================================================
>System                 K Dhrystones     K Whetstones    MFLOPS     SPECmarks
>                         (1.1/2.0)      (Sing/Dbl)     (S/D)
>
>NextStation Turbo        32.3/30.5        5.7/7.5       2.5/2.3      14.1
>  (33MHz 040)
>
>NextStation              24.8/22.9        4.2/5.5       1.8/1.6      ??
>  (25MHz 040)
>
>HP 9000/425e             58.1/39.2        10.9/10.8     1.7/1.6      10.3
>  (25MHz 040)
>
>And For Comparison....
>
>Sun ELC 4/25             40.5/25.1        23.1/14.7     5.1/2.6      15.2
>  (33MHz Sparc)
>
>MOBIUS P450 ICX          50.0/48.1        11.2/11.2     2.3/1.8      12.4
>  (50MHz 486)
>
>DECstation 5000/125      41.7/36.8        16.6/13.0     6.3/2.6      14.2
>  (25MHz R3000)
>============================================================================
>
>
>                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4
>          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771
>

With all these spec listings I didn't have a 486-33DX listing, well I do now,
for a 486-33DX(w/o Weitek 4167-33) 22758 Dhrystones and 5862.1 Whetstones.
Tested on DOS 4.01 using QA v3.1.
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:44:32 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:

>>  The Osprey and the Bradley fighting vehicle are not examples of high tech
>>wizardry, they are both failures, technically and economically (except for t
>>people employed to build them).

>Even if we assume this is true... you are bitching because something
>less than 100% of military research is successful.  Of course there
>are failures.  We can't all be perfect like you.

  You missed the point by close to a continent.  It's not the R&D that was
a failure, it was the procurement system within the Pentagon that allowed
those systems to be put into production as the R&D on those systems indicated
that they were not worthwhile.

>Again... pissed because of the lack of perfection, eh?  You're losing
>credibility fast with me.

  What a twit.

>A great deal of the R&D IS worthwhile...much more than is not.

  ALL R&D is worthwhile, so long as the results are used properly.

  When the research tells you that a system, be it a vehicle, aircraft or
weapon says that it is impractical, unweildy or overy complex for field
use, the only rational decision is to drop the program.

>But the fact that the evil empire is dead is an excellent side-effect.
>(I hope the term "evil empire" doesn't piss you off too much).
>And we destroyed that monster without firing a shot... but by simply
>turning up the military R&D.

  I think the next few years is going to prove that we were a tad better
off with the Soviets around.  Their collapse couldn't have come at a worse
time, it robbed us of being able to retool the milatary industrial complex
without high unemployment or great expense.

>The fact that militarily, no other country is respected as we are is
>another positive side-effect.

  Glad you put that military disclaimer in there... ;-)

  The sad fact is that very few countries have a good opinion of us,
we're tolerated more than respected.  The assinine goings on in Washington
only strengthen that opinion.

  You gain respect leading by example, not by forcing people to behave in
ways that you're not capable of yourself.

>The weapons that cow-towed Iraq so easily and quickly are the result
>of that R&D.  The deterrent we pose to terrorist nations is an
>excellent side-effect.

  Last I heard Saddam was still boppin' around, that tells me the job wasn't
finished.  Sure, we gave Kuwait back to the rightful owners, but we haven't
removed the threat for the future.

  And, if there is a next time, there just might be a few ex-Soviet nukes
that surprizingly come into play courtesy of that Russian collapse that you're
so proud of...

  -jack-
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