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From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:46:20 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:

>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool

[article deleted]

>Any suggestion for us to turn the things around?  

Yes, just let her be. She is only 4 years old, and it isnt like she needs to
sign up for medical school anytime in this millenium. Hey most of the career
women on this net grew up when women really did stay home and female role
models were few, but left to our own we made our own decisions. Some opted
for careers, some opted to stay home. 

My dad was pushing me to go to college as far back as i could remember. he
never actually planed on paying for it, but just made it clear I would go,
and I would pay for it. When I was in my rebellious teens I told him I wasnt
going to college, becuase it was irrelevant. My, didnt we have a fight about
that. He died shortly after, and I did go to college, and evenentually went
for my MS, but I wonder if I would have done it if I would have had him pushing
me all the time.

If your daughter is going to do something in her life it will need to come
from her own motivation. It is silly to worry about a 4 year olds rambling. My
2.5 year old would probably choose to be a garbage man if given the choice. 
When I was 3-4 I was asked what I wanted to be when i grew up, and I responed
"A doggy so I can go to the toilet in the street!". I ended up in Software,
which may have been the next best thing.

I found your post sad. I see a harmful trend starting between you and your
daughter. I realize sometimes on the net, things get posted that are really
not as they seem. It is easy to write about one facet of your life, and to
the net they may seem more important then they are. Maybe you are not going
to be an incredibly pushy parent. I hope so! If this post really is indicative
of your attitude, you may want to seriously consider your position it your
daughters life. YOu wont have nearly as much control as you wish, and you
wont make your life, or your daughters very pleasant by pushing it.  

Laura Floom
From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys (was Creepy Crawlers...)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 21:47:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

>In article <2275@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
>>
>>I remember *slime* and *pop-rocks* --- Maybe those are still around??
>>I would guess that due to my age, many of the toys we had are still
>>around.  (I am 25).
>>

Pop Rocks were big when I was in my late teens. i was too old to enjoy them,
but they were sort of fun. I remember they were taken off the market for a
while, because they were afraid that kids woudl put too much in thier mouth
and explode, or something like that. I guess they decided there would be no
exploding kids, because they are back on the market.

Slime???? I am beginning to feel culturally deprived!

Laura Floom
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: finger food lunch summary (long)
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:59:31 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Oct2.183945.19081@schbbs.mot.com> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
 > Many, many thanks to everyone who submitted suggestions for finger
 > food lunches! Below is a summary, broken down by category:
 ...
 > bread/starch:
 > ... peanut butter crackers...
 > 
 > sandwiches/other: PB&J sandwiches cut in shapes, peanut butter or
 > cheese spread between two crackers, ..., plain rice cakes (the mini
 > kind) with peanut butter, ...
 ...
 > My favorite words of advice were from Mary Ryan: "...And don't
 > worry too much about avoiding all sugar, fat, and salt in his diet
 > or you'll go crazy. We all obsess too much about this with our
 > first babies. Eating some bologna or peanut butter for lunch is not
 > like having Kool-Aid and candy bars!"

I'm not sure what age group was being targeted in the posted lists.
Overall, I think the lists were great, and there were a number of
things on the list that I intend to try with Lindsay (my 13mo).

But I've been warned in very strong terms, both by my pediatrician and
by my instructor in an infant/toddler rescue breathing & CPR class, to
keep peanut butter away from infants and toddlers, and preferably from
older children as well.  Apparently, should a gob of PB get lodged in
the child's throat, it's nearly impossible to clear it by the standard
emergency methods.  And my pediatrician explained that this condition
can come about quite easily in young children who haven't become all
that adept with their tongues and therefore can't dislodge chunks of
PB that get stuck to the roof of the mouth.  Apparently, once it gets
lodged there it may stay there, unbeknownst to the parents, and then
slowly work its way back and down into the windpipe, perhaps during
the child's sleep.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Picnic attendees: update
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:17:03 GMT

Sorry if this goes out to those outside New England.  I've never used
the NE distribution before and I don't know if it actually works.

Anyhow, for all of you who attended the picnic yesterday and saw
me at my worst, a blast of good news:

Graham actaully slept thru the night last night.  He went from 11:30ish
to 5:30.  And Gemma only awakened once, and went right back to sleep
giving me an almost full night's sleep.  I think they heard my frustration
and decided to give me a break!  Mie, the aupair slept thru the night,
and also feels better.  I guess there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks for all your advice, and for your ears.  It was helpful to hear that
it does get better, and fairly quickly.  I can't wait!

Marjorie	mrp@world.std.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Subject: Re: camping with a baby
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:53:34 GMT

In article <15109@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

>How bad is it for a baby this young to eat dirt? I've never even laid him
>down on the ground outside. He should be crawling by the time we go on 
>our first car-camping expedition. What happens when a baby crawls on 
>the ground outside? He must get incredibly dirty, and get very scuffed 
>knees on the rocks! 

We took our daughter camping at the beach a lot and let her crawl on 
the sand.  She put some in her mouth, but I don't think she swallowed
it, and it didn't seem to hurt her.  Then she reached that age where
they don't put things that aren't food into her mouth.  Yeah, her
clothes got dirty but we just washed them.
 
>Small questions, but important. If you have any major or minor hints, 
>please share them!

Minor hint:
Make sure you use tent stakes with rounded edges on top, no sharp edges, 
because a toddler is bound to trip on a tree root and scrape her knee
on a sharp stake.
-- 
Laura Watson           lkw@falcon3.att.com   
                                 
Mom of Stephanie W. Zolayvar ( 2 yrs, 4 months ) and
       Eric W. Zolayvar (3 months)
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 00:33:24 GMT

Well, here is one post for the mother of the daughter who wants to be a 
mommy.  Flame away!

For years I worked as a secretary for doctors before I went back to 
college.  No one ever expected me to go to college.  If I went to college, 
it was assumed girls went just to meet a future husband.

I asked all the doctors I worked with how they decided they wanted to be 
doctors.  Almost without exception they replied dumbfounded "What do you 
mean how did I decide?  I've always known I was going to be a doctor."  They 
knew before they remembered knowing.  In most cases there was a doctor in 
the family, father, mother, aunt, uncle.  Also, the doctor in the family 
always pointed out to the child what good they did and how the kid should 
follow in their footsteps.

I was given a choice to be nothing.  If I wasn't married, I should learn to 
type and be a secretary.

I think that mother is just being cautious.  Afterall, if she does put the 
thought of being a doctor in the girl's mind, maybe she will be a doctor and 
a happy doctor.  The doctors I referred to loved their jobs.

I don't believe I heard the mother say she would try to force her daughter 
to be a doctor.  I believe she was just showing the girl there are options.  
You don't have to be a mommy at all.  You can be anything you want to be.  
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: SUMMARY: Removing formula stains
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:43:10 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help.  Here is a summary
of replies.  Here is my original post:

>Of course it was inevitable.  We had Carrie baptized this past weekend.
>We waited until we got to church to change her into her beautiful heirloom
>christening gown.  We put a bib around her neck.  She STILL managed
>to spit up formula on the front of the gown.
>
>I soaked the gown in Snowy bleach overnight as soon as I got home, then
>washed it with Dreft detergent.  I am hanging it to dry, but it looks
>like the stain is still there.  The part of the gown that is stained
>is 100 % cotton swiss batiste with a lace edge.
>
>Any hints about how to get out the formula stain will be MUCH appreciated.

One response posted on the net suggested Shout Stick.  I have Spray
'n Wash Stain Stick (similar stuff) at home, so I took the easy way
out and tried that.  It worked!  The gown is once again beautiful.

REMEMBER:  If you get a stain on something, DON'T MACHINE DRY it until
you are sure the stain is out.  The heat of the dryer sets the stain.

Other suggestions were:
1. Shout Stick
2. Vinegar
3. AXION presoak
4. Dawn dish detergent
5. ERA detergent
6. Cascade (dishwasher detergent)

7. Bye Bye Baby Stains - a product from the magazine Woman's Day.  Comes
in a formula for whites and a second one for colors.  The person who
recommended it said she had even gotten out a chocolate stain that was
two years old on a hand-me-down.

8. Contact a place that sells vintage clothing. They are experts in
restoring damaged/stained old clothes.  

9. Mix the following in 1 gallon of water:
    1/4 cup bleach
    1/2 cup dishwasher detergent(crystal type)
Let soak for 30 min. and then wash as usual.  
-----
Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.2 years, and Carrie, 3.5 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: birthday party ideas
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 06 Oct 92 10:33:00 EST

The less the better, for a 2-year-old birthday party.  We had 3 other kids,
plus their parents, plus a couple relatives.  It was brunch, so everyone had
something to eat right away, with the kids at their own table.  The most fun
they had was sticking their fingers in the cake (which we encouraged)!  The
whole party lasted less than two hours, and each kid got to take home a gift
and a balloon, given at the end.

One friend did try organized activities for her 2-year-old, but the kids all
refused to cooperate or participate.

9 months later, my son still remembers his party.  The two things he talks
about:  singing "Happy Birthday" with candles, and the chocolate cake!
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby refusing bottle
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:07:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

In article <55790034@hpscit.sc.hp.com> ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths) writes:
>A woman in my mother's class was trying to go back to work, and her baby
>wouldn't take a bottle.  They tried for 3 days, and finally in desparation,
>her husband put the bottle in an athletic sock, and the baby focussing
>on the sock stripes didn't notice it was a bottle, and was so hungry that
>once the bottle was in her mouth, she downed it.  I don't know if they had
>any trouble after that, but I think it was a super smart idea.

I hope it was a clean sock!

:o)

Sue

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.183348.557@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>We're obviously of different generations, since I remember when his
>brother David, of the Partridge Family,  was a teen heart-throb around
>1970.  He filled the void left by Davey Jones when NBC cancelled The
>Monkees in 1968.  Ah the good old days.

You missed one! Bobby Sherman was in there between Davy Jones and David
Cassidy. Well, I wouldnt expect a boy to remember that sort of thing ;-). 
>
Laura Floom
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kid Actors (was:Nostalgia TV)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:08:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.ld3eggINNc0k
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>The Brady Bunch was cute, but those kids were probably chosen because of
>their physical characteristics as opposed to acting talent.

Have you seen the book by [whatshisname] who played the oldest boy, Greg,
about what it was like to spending your formative years as a Brady?

Neat stuff.  Needless to say, the projectd Bradyoid image bore little
resemblance to what was going on behind the scene.  I particularly enjoyed
the accounts of "Greg's" attempts to date Florence Henderson [Mom] and
Robert ??? [Dad] flying into snits because, as a Serious Actor, he felt the
scripts were beneath his talents and too full of holes.  Also, keeping a
stage full of blond, blue-eyed, bushy-tailed Brady-actor/actresses in
various stages of pre-, post-, and mid-puberty under control provided no
end of headaches.

N
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Room Temp for Sleeping Infants
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Sep30.202657.11278@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:39:07 GMT

I'm not going to answer the original poster's question about the best
temperature for a sleeping infant (see?  I may digress, but at least
I'm honest about it) but I'm going to share an interesting tidbit.

I was always covered when I slept as a baby.  A light blanket in the
summer, more in the winter.  I _cannot_ sleep, even today, without
some covering.  Actually, I can't fall asleep without having some of
my torso covered.  And a sheet isn't enough.

One of my cousins is just the same and so is one of our test pilots
(the ethernet was down and so were the airplanes and it was Friday
afternoon--this isn't a normal topic of conversation).  We all asked
our mothers about it, as did the pilots who could sleep uncovered,
and came up with the correlation that we were covered as babies and
they weren't.  I haven't asked anyone else about this (ethernet is
working fine and the F-18s are up, too) but maybe the folks here have
some experiences to share?

I might mention that this is a real pain for me when visiting a hot
humid climate.  I live in the desert and it cools down enough to make
a vellux blanket pretty much required most evenings.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:19:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company

> The following was posted a while ago in rec.food.veg and recently re-posted.
> I reprint it for your pleasure (?)
>
> [...]
>
>WHAT'S WRONG WITH DAIRY PRODUCTS?
>
>     Most Americans, including many vegetarians, still consume large amounts
>of dairy products. Here are ten reasons why it is a good idea to eliminate
>dairy products from one's menu.
>
> [...]

Despite the fact that this list was followed by references, this is the
biggest compilation of pseudo-science, speculations, and irrelevant conclusions
(e.g. because some people are allergic to dairy products, that's a reason
to "eliminate dairy products from one's menu", because low iron in dairy
products can cause an iron-deficient diet, and I guess you can extrapolate
that to conclude that dairy products in the diet also cause low vitamin C,
etc.), that I've seen in a while, but then I don't read rec.food.veg :-)

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:50:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.180749.29872@alw.nih.gov>, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
|> In article <9209281800.AA17754@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
|> >  
|> >	Anyway that's me.  Having a baby didn't make me feel grown up
|> >but wearing slippers did.  Go figure.  
|> >				Lisa
|> >
|> 
|> For me it was getting perscription sunglasses that signified that I was
|> a "grown-up" - though I still don't always act it (do any of us)
|> 
|> Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?

  For me it was when the mill my dad worke din closed down and he
went to college.  In the same phone call he asked for help with his
math homework and would I co-sign a car loan for him.  That is when
I felt "grown-up".

Nanette
salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Preparing a Toddler for Moving
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:42:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct6.144249.25354
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <25985@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>We will be moving in a few weeks.  I'd like to prepare my son Brad (age
>2 1/4) as much as possible.  If anyone has any suggestions of how I
>can do this I'd be grateful.
>
	Find a box to put him in that has enough leg room.  Oh,
	air holes.  They are kind of important, too.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:41:40 GMT

I know many will not be thrilled but the card that I received
from our local PBS station said that because of the great
response to the Save the Barney campaign new episodes are
not being created and with these new episodes and reruns
of the old ones Barney will live through 1998!

Kathy T.

In article <1992Sep28.161524.8689@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)  
writes:
> 
> 	What happened to the Barney show?
> 
> -- 
> 	Alan Yasutovich
> 	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
> 	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
> 	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.193727.26352@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>>(Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>I've decided to start a new cable TV channel, called The Reid's
>>Childhood Channel.  It'll be reruns of everything that was broadcast
>>between 1964 and 1972 (from my earliest memories to puberty).  Star
>>Trek will be on at least five times a day.  Prior to 9 PM, all material
>>suitable for children (well, I might leave the drug humor in The
>>Monkees).  Any subscribers?
>
>Count me in!  And include Laugh-In, will you?  I had to sneak downstairs
>to the basement to watch that, and when I got caught, I was in big
>trouble.  :-)

Gee, I watched Laugh-In *with* my parents--they even explained the
jokes I didn't get when I asked them.

(But since I was a latch-key kid, I suspect they did not know that
I used to come home from school and watch 2 hours of Star Trek every
afternoon.)

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: kvick@ccscola.Columbia (Kim S.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:03 GMT
Organization: NCR CCSD Columbia

<1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com>
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com
(Publius) writes:
>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool

>"I want to get married."  "But you can be a doctor and get married
>too" I tried to tell her that there is really no conflict here.
>"No," she said "I want to be a mom and have kids."  "But you can
>be a mom, have kids, and be a doctor at the same time." I was trying
>my best to explain to her.  "No," her voice became lauder "I don't
>want to be a doctor.  I want to get married when I grow up."
>
>the house call" and the likes.  Whenever possible, we always find
>her a female pediatrician in the hope that she has a good role model.
>But despite all of these conscious efforts on our part, she 
>obviously picked up some other ideas.  Apparently she watched
>
>Any suggestion for us to turn the things around?  
>
>
Your daughter is only 4 years old and already you're worried about this?! 
Think about it - did you want the same things out of life at age 20 that you
wanted at age 4?  PLEASE relax and let this little girl enjoy her childhood
without worrying about her career.  There will be plenty of time for that
later in life.

-- 
*****************************************************************************
Kim S. Vick                             "Please, Lord, let me prove to you
kim.vick@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM              that winning the lottery won't spoil
I want my zip code to be 90210.          me!"
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