HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Pumping
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:22:29 GMT

stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.135250.7613@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>In article <Bx2sxF.EH@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>>>jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>>>>It's amazing how so many people, especially straight, seem eager to *want*
>>>>to believe the rumors (much like the <absurd quantity> of semen found
>>>>in the rock star's stomach (a rumor I believed when I first heard it in
>>>it was supposedly Rod Stewart; this must have been in '77 or '78.
>>>What other personalities have supposedly gone under the stomach
>>>pump?
>>>
>>>Brent, who has been known to get pumped on occasion
>>
>>*BIG* *RED* *PUMPS* ???

>That's *JUNGLE RED*, I'll have you know!

Would that be similar to *COME-FUCK-ME RED*?  Thought so.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Genetic oversimplification of homosexuality.
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.190801.12493@ncselxsi.uucp> fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.185321.10469@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>>  I like the part about child rearing though. It does seem that
>>people who have kids do have a tendency to be reduced to their
>>child's level. You know, the goo-goo baa-baa thang. Quite 
>>embarrassing really.
>
>When raising my children, I was instructed to use full sentences with
>my infants.  None of this "baby talk."  You do try to limit your
>vocabulary and sentence structure, but the best thing for infants is to
>expose them to correct speech.  You might be surprised how early
>children begin to emulate the speech they hear.
>

'Course, if everyone did with their infants as they were 'instructed to'
do by professionals and/or laypeople, kids would have even more trouble
figuring out what the hell their parents are up to, as consistency would
be thrown out the window, and a truly chaotic variety would reign.

While my specialty is adolescence and family relations, my understanding
of the baby talk phenomena is the power it has for holding an infant's
attention and inciting mimicry, thought to be essential for speech
development.  A majority of research has found infants prefer babbling
to full or normally intoned speech, even when both are from parents.
Babbling's importance is shown by the main cause of hearing kids of hearing-
impaired parents (at one time) developing speech problems (was) is that 
the folks (did) do not babble with the kids, and eventually the kids also
stop babbling (past tense, as now hearing-impaired parents are encouraged
to make the babbling noises when they see their kids mouthing off, and
speech problems for the developing toddlers are decreasing). 

Motss relevance?  Not much, unless you're a parent.

-paul

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Shoe Fits (was Re: Social Democracy)
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:24:21 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



You know who:
  >> And I've always depended on the kindness of strangers.
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson): 
 >OK, boys, put the straightjacket on him and let's
 >get him out of here.

The next game is five card stud.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:13:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.054826.5135@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry  
Mensch) writes:
} i think you're a fucking moron.  honestly.

Gotcha!

*smile*

Donald - It's time for some action!
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Moonshine, the election, and you
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:55:39 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <mattm-041192104618@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> In article <1992Nov4.174734.12951@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
> gsmith@clio.uucp (Gene W. Smith) wrote:
> 
> > I guess from now on I'll have to follow the Kaldis law and not post 
> > anything more about US politics.  But before I quit, could you explain
> > exactly what it is you are going to do with the homophobes who have
> > captured *your* Republican party?
> 
> Voting them out of office.
> 
> Now, when elections in Germany roll around, what are *you* going to
> do about *your* Republican party's crusade against 'foreigners' -
> (all those not of Aryan blood)?

Gene is not a German, and the German elections are not his
concern.  Accordingly, the German Republican party is not
in any sense "his" Republican party.

> About the fire bombings of hostels?
> About Nazi resurgence in former East Germany?  About the fact that
> three-quarters of the country believe that 'something' must be
> 'done' about the 'asylum problem?'

I think it's pretty odd hearing an American lecturing the
Germans about questions of asylum.  So far, the Germans
have given asylum to more than 300,000 refugees from ex-
Yugoslavia.  They have also taken getting on for 150,000
other refugees from other parts of Eastern Europe, this
year.  With three times the population and heaven knows how
many times the space, how many has the US taken?  The UK
has taken less than 2,000. 

Let me say something else.  On the Rostock housing estate
where the current outburst of racist violence started, 75%
of adults were unemployed.  They had all lost their jobs as
a direct result of the "reorganisation" of industry in
eastern Germany.  Their lives were stunted for 40 years by
Stalinism;  they've now been comprehensively wrecked by the
free market.  Is it any wonder they want to try something
else?  

People whose expectations of individual success have been
destroyed en masse in this way tend to turn to fascism. 
It's extremely unpleasant, but not unexpected. 

> And while Turks and Vietnamese
> may not be particularly high on the German Intelligencia's totem
> pole, I doubt that effete intellectuals will rate any better the 
> Fourth time around, relative to the Third.

Of course, it's the intellectuals, both the effete,
Tinkerbellish ones and the manly, masc. ones, who are
supporting the immigrants, along with the social democrats
and other totalitarian riff-raff.  The brisk,
individualist, no-nonsense free market industrialists and
business people and the like regard them as excess
supply-side resources or something, and want them off back
to Ankara, Hanoi and Sarajevo just as fast as the jumbos
can ship them.

Why do you go on and on using the classic Nazi phrase
"effete intellectuals", by the way?  If you think it makes
people angry, you're right, as far as I'm concerned.  It's
sick-making.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Boycott of Colorado / Amendment 2
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:33:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss


Pulling his pink huggies just as *tight* as he possibly can about his
gentilia (for that *perfect* pitch), Jake Coughlin wrote:
 
> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern):
> > 1) Most of the ski resorts are in counties where the vote was against
> > Amendment 2.

[here comes the squeal - shield your glass]
 
> tough.  the law discriminates just as equally in counties
> which voted against the Measure as it does for counties
> which voted for the Measure.  a statewide boycott also
> ensures that those who voted against will not become
> complacent.  you have something to lose -- namely, us!

Delightful, isn't it, how those most rabid for the ruination of
Colorado do not live there?  Perchance we could let the 
indigenous peoples lead the way, before unleashing hordes of
pissed pink poodles, all agrowl with indignation?

> fuck off. 

Guess not...  It's seems the Queer without a Clue has at last
found a Cause.  But perchance all this gnashing of painted nails
should have occured *before* the vote, when it might actually have
had some impact?  As it is, there is nothing to gain for us
(and do not believe for a moment that the Fundamentalists will be
in any way, shape, or form intimidated - if anything, such antics
will only provide more ammunition for their soundbites).

*X*
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Blanking Gore (was: Boxer Campaign Needs Your Help!)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:04:06 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <68826@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
writes:
|> Roger Klorese writes:
|> >While I disagree with virtually every iota of the Propertarian, er,
|> Libertarian
|> >party's platform,
|> 
|> Let me guess -- I would imagine you do agree with the parts about
|> repealing all "victimless crime" laws, and legalizing drugs?

Correct... although I would probably review the word "victimless" with a keener
eye than most Libertarians.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Clinton talks to doctor about AIDS
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:52:21 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.062558.1548@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
|> Subject: CDC Summary 11/9/92
|> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:21:33 PST
|> Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
|> 
|>                           AIDS Daily Summary
|>                           November 9, 1992 
|>  The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) National AIDS Clearinghouse makes
|> available the following information as a public service only.  Providing this
|> information does not constitute endorsement by the CDC, the CDC Clearinghouse,
|> or any other organization.  Reproduction  of this text is encouraged; however,
|> copies may not be sold.  Copyright 1992, Information, Inc., Bethesda, MD 
|> ************************************************************************
|> 
|> "HIV-Positive Doctor Had Long Talk With Clinton About AIDS" United Press
|> International (11/06/92)
|>      Fort Worth, Texas -- An HIV-positive AIDS specialist said she only 
|> expected to receive a handshake from president-elect Bill Clinton when a
|> staffer asked her to meet with the presidential candidate in August.  Patti
|> Wetzel said she was shocked when she was ushered into a private room with
|> Clinton, where the Arkansas governor got down to business and asked, "Now
|> Patti, what's the answer to your question about AIDS?"  Wetzel, who
|> contracted HIV from a tainted needle stick 14 months ago, said she and
|> Clinton had a 20-minute "heart-to-heart" talk in which she recommended 
|> strategies to secure funding for AIDS education, prevention, and research. 
|> The discussion arose after Wetzel spoke up during a televised town hall-type
|> meeting held Aug. 25. During the telecast, Wetzel identified herself as a
|> person with AIDS and asked Clinton how he would regulate money to fight the
|> disease.  Subsequently, Clinton told Wetzel off-camera that he "had friends
|> that had AIDS; he had buried friends with AIDS," said Wetzel.  She added, "He
|> was really aware of what the disease was like and was very, very
|> sympathetic."  She said that Clinton appears to be dedicated to fighting the
|> epidemic.  Wetzel also stressed to Clinton when she spoke with him in August
|> that the spread of HIV can be controlled through education.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107



She's HIV-Positive, and she identified herself as a PWA?? Don't people know
that there *IS* a difference??

-- 

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(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Who and What's the Enemy (was Re: Why should I vote no on 9?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:49:08 GMT


In article <25427@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com
(Christina Black) writes:

>[Molly Ivins (bless her) on who the foe is]

>I don't excuse hate, or hate crimes, any more than I excuse
>inner-city violent crime.  And I still see fundamentalist
>Christians, politically and ideologically, as my enemy.  But
>I now think, as I think with the inner cities, that a
>solution to these problems has to involve providing the
>people involved with a reason to hope for the future, a
>reason to believe that they needn't suffer for the sake of
>others' success, and a positive alternative to hate and
>violence.

It all comes back, doesn't it, to the systemic nature of the
underlying problems in the society.  A lot of well-meaning
people are unwittingly duped by images in the media, for
example, leading them to evaluate the information they
receive in a number of consciously preprogrammed ways, quite
commonly to the eventual detriment of effective programs for
remedy.

For a recent treatment of some of this, see Wahneema
Lubiano, "Black Ladies, Welfare Queens, and State Minstrels:
Ideological War by Narrative Means," in _Raceing, Justice,
Engendering Power_, Toni Morrison, ed.  Pantheon, 1992.
ISBN 0-679-74145-3.

Lots of other interesting essays in this collection too.
The subtitle is: Essays on Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas, and
the Construction of Social Reality.  Possibly too academic
for some folks here.  :-)

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1dp84bINN550@mizar.usc.edu> <10NOV92.18411115@enh.nist.gov>
	<1drgv7INNkss@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:23:37 GMT

In article <1drgv7INNkss@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

   From the original article:

I want to point out again that this was just a case study from the
article.  There are many more examples. 

   > >>His letter informing him that he was cut from the program
   > >>said that he was "still riddled with personal mannerisms."  In a
   > >>second letter from then CMU Drama Department head Mel Shapiro, Eric
   > >>was told, "You present a very androgenous persona on stage which will
   > >>not help you get jobs in the future.  You need to work on much more
   > >>physical strength and masculine colors.  Camp can only be rewarded by
   > >>your classmates, not by the profession."  

   Of course I don't know what this student's work was 
   like, but Mel Shapiro's letter strikes me as completely 
   unobjectionable.

Is the following acceptable:

Dear Mr. Gayman,

This letter is to inform you of the evaluation of the faculty of the
Department of Geeks toward your progress for your degree.  The faculty
is pleased at the progress of your coursework which is proceeding
according to the program's guidelines.  The faculty has rated as above
average your mastery of the techniques professional geeks use to create
geekware.

However, the faculty also feels that some areas of your progress could
use refinement.  The faculty feels that your word choice in the papers
you write to be too flowery.  While interesting and accurate, the
faculty feels it is too "poetic" for a professional geek.  The faculty
feels that these extravegant qualities will be obstacles toward your
acceptance in the professional geek world.

The faculty also feels you do not present an appropriate image of a
geek.  Professional geeks have cultivated an image of slide rules,
pocket protectors and greasy hair.  Your style for clothing runs
contrary toward this image and is viewed as another obstacle toward
acceptance by the geek world.

We hope that these constructive criticisms provide some goals for you
in the coming year.

G. H. W. Bush

---- end example ----

Appropriate?

Scott Safier                                   corwin+@cmu.edu
Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University
        
member, T.S.A.K.C.  B0/1 f+ w- g k+ s- m(+) e++

"We don't necessarily discriminate.  We simply exclude certain types of
people."
   Lt. Col. Gerald Wellman, an ROTC instructor at the MIT,
   on the military's ban on gays
   Newsweek, May 25

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1992Nov6.011420.3901@quantime.co.uk>
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:10:57

In article <1992Nov6.011420.3901@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk
(Roger Phillips) writes: 

   I know what you mean.
   I've just discovered that
   after seeing the term GOP all over the place for months
   nobody I know here seems to know what it means.

Grand Old Party (of the Republic).  I forget the details.

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: powilait@cs.uwp.edu (John Powilaites)
Subject: Military info needed
Followup-To: powilait@cs.uwp.edu
Keywords: military
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:46:59 GMT

I'm looking for any information regarding the ban of gays & lesbians from the
armed forces in the United States.  Specifically, there was recently someone
reinstated at a base in Florida by some judge, but was refused entry at
the base and was transferred to Washington.
Thanks in advance for any info that you have to offer.
Please, if possible send the info in email to powilait@cs.uwp.edu.
 


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.200749.19424@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com  
(Michael A. Thomas) writes:
}   G*d, this is *so* inane and *so* presumptuous. Maybe stupid 
} sophmoric questions are genetic too. I really think you need 
} to work on your condescending attitude.

First of all, it was meant as a light-hearted question.   
However, I really am curious ... You don't know me well enough  
to give me advice on my perceived attitude ...

}   Republicans:
}   1) less government, but not sure why

Less government equals more control to a limited amount of  
people ...

}   2) government with the greatest good in mind 

The greatest good for who?  American aristocracy?

}   3) government should stay out of peoples lives

Oh yeah, they've been really doing that.  By the way, did anyone  
see that cartoon by Camper on Traditional Family Values?  Very  
funny ...

}   4) government should intervene to save us from ourselves

Gee thanks ... No wonder I felt so safe and warm - I had George  
and Dan protecting me ...

The GOP really made Gay Republicans look stupid.

I don't think hard-core capitalists who look down or or ignore  
the general public that puts the money into their pockets should  
have their very own political party.

Why does it seem like most Republicans are:
     pro-life?
     well-off?
     White?
     against REAL EFFECTIVE civil rights for minorites?
     more worried defense programs than education?
     
We are people.  Shouldn't our gov't cater more towards the  
people of its country rather than its business?

I guess I just don't understand ...

Donald - It's time for some action!
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47325 alt.politics.homosexuality:7131 co.politics:1902
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:55:12 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) signs himself:
>
>John, in bisexual woman drag (icepick in clutchpurse, of course)


I clearly need to update my wardrobe.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "I'm not sure whether I'm a faghag because I'm bi, or bi because I'm 
   a faghag, or both because I'm me..."  --STella
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:27:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: penn.4F5XTB4w164w

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> <1992Nov6.134352.29920@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
> gsmith@clio.uucp (Eugen W. Schmidt) writes:
> >Well, joke away, but this is serious.  I seen an actual movie of
> >Bigfoot.
> 

*huh*??????

Penn "BIGFOOT bear" Collins (THAT is what the BF stands for...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash... pink fade
Summary:  BikerBear Fashion Tip
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:45:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.004904.29643@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.203022.22584@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>>The Triangle works.  It's simple.  It's pink.
>yeah, but it looks awful against typical white-person skin. I was
>trying to find a pink triangle earring to wear, because I like the
>idea of always being identified as queer but I'm too lazy to transfer
>a button around from shirt to shirt. But pink triangle earrings look
>terrible against my sortof pink skin.

try to find some tiny dark coloured circle or square pieces and glue one
to the back of the pink triangle earring.
please adjust your set. this should provide much needed contrast.

earrings? what do i know about earrings??
   -ken

ps: random thougtlet: how about pink triangles on wallets? vendors would
    then get subconsiously brainwashed into seeing/associating money
    with pink triangles...

-- 
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