HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:13:59 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <Bt1JGJ.Cu5@acsu.buffalo.edu> simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:

#         Isn't there some influence from African languages? I know
# of a few words which are still used in the Caribbean (mainly food
# dishes) that are African.

Absolutely.  Some have even made it into the general English
vocabulary, like goober, jazz, voodoo, tote, gumbo, cooter, banjo,
chigger, yum-yum, and okra.  Some English expressions also seem to be
direct translations of idioms from various West African languages,
like bad mouth and shout in the religious sense.  But remember, the
Africans brought to the Americas spoke a variety of languages, so the
influence couldn't be as consistent as it was in places like Ireland,
where all the conquered people spoke the same language.

The influence of African languages on the grammars of New World
creoles is much more controversial.  The older view was that pidgins
and creoles had the grammar of one language and the vocabulary of
another.  But today a substantial number of linguists believe that the
grammar is really sort of a universal grammar, not taken from any one
source.  This would explain why creoles from various parts of the
world have very similar structures.  For instance, I knew a girl a few
years ago who came from Mauritius, an island in the Indian Ocean.  The
colonial language there was French, but the indigenous people were
apparently Polynesian, with a substantial number of people from India.
The creole there should have been very different from Afro-French
creoles, but my friend could talk very comfortably with Haitians!

On the other hand, there is no doubt that certain styles of
grammatical thinking have influenced the creoles.  For instance,
Gullah and Jamaican have certain verb tense markers that seem to
derive from West African languages, and some linguists think the black
American "be" tense and the use of "had" as a remote past instead of a
relative past reflects the tense system that the African speakers were
used to in their own languages.

# There is also a strong European influence. For example, some
# Caribbean islands that were colonised by the British inherited
# various distinct dialects from England, Ireland Scotland and Wales,
# depending on the plantation owners.

This is probably true -- the English the Africans were learning was
not what we would consider standard English.  In fact, I often hear
Jamaicans who pronounce words like "bite" and "bout" more like
American "bait" and "boat".  This is more typical of Scottish English
than the English of London.

David


From: fpl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Fred LaMaster)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:09:39 GMT
Subject: Re: US Army: Recognition of "Buffalo Soldiers."
Organization: IC Business Div, Ft. Collins, Colorado
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

> The regiments were deactivated in 1942.

Are you sure?  They also fought in World War II and Korea.  Their
"official" end didn't come until 1952 when they were integrated.
During their 86 years of existence they received many honors
including 20 Congressional Medals of Honor, 4 Campaign Citations
in the Indian Wars, Campaign Citations for the Spanish-American
War, the Philippine Insurrection, and the Mexican Expedition,
the French Campaign World War I Citation, 5 Unit Citations from
World War II, 10 Unit Citations from the Korean War, 3 Presidential
Unit Citations, a Navy Unit Commendation, a Philippine Presidential
Citation, and 2 Republic of Korea Presidential Citations.  This
monument at Ft. Leavenworth is certainly well deserved.

They were originally named the "Buffalo Soldiers" by Cheyenne
warriors because of their bravery and because their curly hair
reminded them of the buffalo's.

The Buffalo Soldier statue was designed by noted sculptor Eddie
Dixon, and built by Art Casting of Colorado, Loveland, Colorado,
not too far from where I am typing these words.

--
Fred LaMaster                      fpl@icbdfcs1.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Subject: Re: [William H. Magill:  Some Welfare Notes]
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:16:45 GMT

In article <9208171431.AA08325@cs.utexas.edu> bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil  
(BOB STRINGFIELD) writes:
> Picked this up today from another group.
> --bob
> 
> **********************
> From:         "William H. Magill" <magill@dccs.upenn.edu>
> Subject:      Some Welfare Notes
> 
> Who is John Galt?
> 
> **********************

     The man who said he'd stop the motor of the world, and did.


Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Republican conven
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

Hi!

TH>Anyway. This whole election year bit is sending mutliple chills down
TH>my spine. Part of me just really want to back up and bug outta this
TH>country and let the bastards have it.

Oh, dear! *I* was considering to leave Germany because of the growing
xenophobia and hostility to all not-Aryan looking and settle down here
(California, SF :-) ).
But after the bu'sh-it of the GOP...
Well, Terrance, don't move to Germany. Where would you want to go?

TH>--
TH>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
TH>                        -Joseph Beam_
TH>Terrance Heath

Greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Tunten aller Laender, vereinigt euch!
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black man wins popularity contest
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:54:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <36784@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>From today's Gainesville Sun:
>
>        NEW YORK -- Americans may still be ambivalent about the
>        Presidential aspirants, but their preferences are decidedly
>        clear on the issue of regular guys.  For the second
>        consecutive year, the "voting public" has overwhelmingly
>        selected Bill Cosby, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter
>        Jennings as the nation's most regular guys, according to a
>        Gallup survey released recently.
>
>        ... A 1991 Gallup poll determined regular guys to be
>        down-to-earth, hard working, responsible, willing to lend a
>        hand, and honest.
>
>        Television's superdad Bill Cosby swept the regular guy ratings
>        with 42 percent of the votes.
>
>        [...]
>
>What do y'all suppose this means?
>
>David


It means you start calling names and can't play the games when the names 
come back to you. I've yet to see you defend yourself against any of the
nonsense I enjoy typing on your behalf. I might be five years old and a
REAL ass hole, but at least I don't have to live up to some pretine moral
imperative that tight-asses like you do.

Mc

===============

DISCLAIMER for David Johns: I'm not a Black person, don't feign to be a Black
                            person, and am happy to be who I am just the same.
                            Of course, idiots like Johns want to take a
                            limited knowledge of who I am and decide it's
                            their God-given duty to "fix" me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:19:56 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gay Belle Daniels) writes:



>Do you know that most people on welfare are not African-American,
>but white and female with 2-3 kids?  And whites are on Social
>Security as well.  Older...white...people. Underage children
>whose parents have died and are under the care of a guardian.
>.

Blah Blah Blah, I checked and found out the answer to all of this
BULLSHIT about welfare being mostly white; and IRONICALLY fifty
percent of welfare claims are Black people. And one third of the total
aid (Social Security, welfare, and WICS combined) go to black people.
Black people make up almost 12 PERCENT of the total U.S. population.



>Black people are 10% of the population.  Just that and no more.  Why
>we are blamed for having all the money in Amerikkka (with
>emphasis on the KKK) is continually beyond my comprehension.
>.
>This man--really this THING--is not informed.


Looks like I just informed you. You need a freshmen level stats course.
From: wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:18:03 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <1992Aug11.025528.26666@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>In <1992Aug10.170345.12596@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>
>>You are correct, there are MULTIPLES more Blacks in America than in 
>>Canada, so it is ludicrous for Canada to even be in contention with
>>the United States as far as which nation is better for Black people
>>to live in.
>
>By your twisted logic, Nigeria (with 80,000,000 blacks) is the best
>place in the world for black people to live in.  It is, as you say,
>"ludicrous" for the U.S., with a paltry 35,000,000 or so to even be in
>contention.  

>
William, from where I sit your argument seems to have, degenerated into
unthinking, flag-waving dogma.

Why is the U.S. a better place than Canada for blacks to live ?

In which country is a black male more likely to be incarcerated ?
In which country is a black male more likely to be murdered ?
In which country do blacks have a lower life expectancy ?
In which country is a black child less likely to get an equitable 
education ?
In which country is a black child more likely to grow up in a demoralizing
ghetto, an urban war zone ?
In which country is a black more likely to be subjected to demoralizng 
drug profile stops, police harrassment and brutality ?

I'm not even saying that your assertion must be incorrect, but where are 
your reasons ?
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
		Wayne Hines 
		wayne@tse.uucp
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:36:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <16tuosINNib6@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.130615.23344@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
>mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:
>
>[...]
>}      and, if YOU don't like the way I take out my aggressions, maybe you
>}and I can do something more substantial about it instead of type garbage
>}in this secure forum. I ain't afraid to die; how about you?
>
>Ummm, I think you just went off the deep end.

Ah, I don't think so. The obvious interpretation is the extreme - attribute it
to poor writing skills. What I meant is if this sucka is ready to throw down
to settle our differences, considering that I know stuff like this can/does lead
to one or the other being RIP, I'm just being straight up and real about the
potential consequences. I ain't worried about the consequences and take on
said consequences if this sucka wants to do a little more than take his
petty gripes out over the net. I've asked him to stop the personal sh*t. If
Johns wants to argue over ideology, then that's fine. BUT, if he wants to
keep pushing at the personal level, then I take it he's ignored my first
request and am giving him the option of settling this personal flame-fest
in a more definitive arena.

It's just like the rappers: they get dissed for actually getting caught up
in self-destructive behavior, they get dissed for turning that anger into
lyrics and dope beats, and they just plain can't seem to be left alone
for beans. I figure this net is a fairly harmless way to say what I see
out here; but, of course, I have David Johns to keep me in line. Bump that.

Mc
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 15 Aug 1992 15:33:27 CDT
From: <U32431@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: FEAR OF LARGE BLACK MEN

Some of you might be aware of a recent decision by a Dade County, Florida court
 (Yes, I'm afraid so - Dade County courts again) which agreed with Ruth Jandruc
ko's claim of disability.  The court in agreeing with her that she was indeed d
isabled, also ordered her previous employer to pay her back pay in the amount o
f 50k.  What is of interest here is the basis of Jandrucko's claim that she is
disabled- a FEAR OF LARGE BLAACK MEN (Nat'l Public Radio 8-13-92), a FEAR OF BL
ACK MEN (U.S.A. TODAY 8-14-92:3A).  It would seem that any time Jandrucko is in
 the presence of African-American males, she FREAKS OUT.  So, the deal has been
 sealed, not only are we a menance to ourselves, but we constitute a "clear an
d present danger to the mental health of white America". (Of course, we could g
o on and on about this Jandrucko thing, and I invite you to do so).  But, hey,
do you think I could file for disability based upon my FEAR OF LITTLE WHITE

WOMEN? Jandrucko and her doctors don't seem to understand that she has more pow
er than any African-American male, large or small, she will ever encounter.
MORE ON JANDRUCKO... It seems Jandrucko was mugged a few years ago  as she was
leaving her place of employ in Miami.  In the attack her back was factured.  Sh
e did not see her assailant, however, she reported that she caught a glimpse of
 his back as he ran away.  She thought the person to be a LARGE BLACK MAN.
THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE... The company ordered to pay Jandrucko back pay will undo
ubtedly appeal the decision to the Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta.  Will t
he Circuit Court overturn the decision from Florida?  The decision would involv
e whether she is awarded back pay.  Will that leave the FEAR OF LARGE BLACK MEN
 out there as a legitimate claim for disability?  Only Clarence Thomas knows fo
r sure.  Stay tuned.  Please.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 15 Aug 1992 22:02:15 CDT
From: <U32431@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Gang related Public Service Announcement

Well, it has not been aired here in the Chicago market yet.  of course, it has
received a good deal of attention in the local media because of the extent to w
hich it is perceives as controversial.  Yes, Evanston is where this is taking p
lace, but it is difficult for me to understand how it can only be aired in Evan
ston - there are no tv stations in Evanston.  There might be some local access
channel which serves only Evanston, it is not likely seen by very many people.
 After all, how many people watch cable access tv?   But, on to what's happenin
g... There was a community meeting of sorts in Evanston where a largly African-
American audience confronted city council types (I believe).  The nexus of the
debate was as previously characterized; those in the community believing the PS
A painted all African-American younge men in a negative light, and those believ
ing that gang activity and violence is such a danger to young African-American
brothers such that some action must be taken.  One African-American sister invo
lved in developing the PSA indicated she had a teenage son.
Evanston is a rather affulent near north burb of Chicago.  Northwestern Univers
ity is located there.  It is considered rather liberal and progressive; those o
f us in the city actually respect Evanston as far as burbs go.  It ain't Shumbu
rg.  I know that's Chicago speak, but Shumburg is a metaphor here for all that
is vacuous and anti-urban.  Evanston does not have a gang problem akin to the S
outh Side or the West Side of Chicago, yet, Evanston is not immune to the probl
em as it has been creeping up there.
Oh, BTW, the PSA is being revised somewhat.  The nature of those revisions is
not yet clear.
From: Amy Young Leith <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:56:21 -0500

In article <1992Aug13.162612.28243@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

I'm going to say this REAL SLOW for you, dear, so perhaps you'll get
it.  Everyone else has said it over and over but you seem to be a
little hard of hearing.

>Just can't dispute my SOLID arguments backed up by SOLID STATISTICS.
>(Some asshole has tried to say that my stats are bad, but I am about
>to bury his ass, read on:)
>
>ONE HALF of welfare goes to black people. One third of all aid goes to
>black people. They are less than one eighth of the population.
>NOTICE I said that we pamper black people compared to other countries.
>No other country spends as much on black people as AMERICA. Dispute
>that one, and steer away from the generalities and the avoidance
>of issue, it really makes you look like a dumb wench.

WHERE - DID - YOU - GET - YOUR - STATISTICS???  PLEASE GIVE US A
REFERENCE.  ISSUE, PAPER, DATE, TITLE, ETC.   I'm sure if you're such
an academic genius that you DO know how to cite references.  

amy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Tuskegee Experiment on Syphillis
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.163356.24215@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
[ description of Tuskegee syphilis experiment deleted ]

>     McBean, did the documentary reveal the names of the "physicians"  
>involved in this experiment, where they got their medical degrees, where  
>those still alive currently live or work? Also, Tuskegee is a historically  
>black American college. What explanation did the Tuskegee administration  
>give for supporting such barbarism? Why were these black administrators so  
>willing to sell other black people down the river like this? Were they  
>bribed? Intimidated?

Tuskegee is also the name of a town in Alabama.  Nothing in the original
post indicated that the experiment was associated with the university.
Maybe the name is just taken from the town where the experiment was done.
From: U45301@uicvm.uic.edu (Mary Jacobs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: CLINTON TEXT: RODNEY KING VERDICT
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:26:32 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

CLINTON SPEECH TEXT NOW POSTED ON ALT.POLITICS.CLINTON

SEND COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INFORMATION TO THE
CLINTON/GORE CAMPAIGN AT 75300.3115@COMPUSERVE.COM
(This information is posted for public education purposes.  It does
not necessarily represent the views of The University.)
========================================================================
Clinton for President


Statement by Governor Bill Clinton

April 29, 1992



As a rule, I don't think it's proper to second-guess the verdict of a
jury of American citizens. I didn't see all the evidence, but I did see
the videotape, and it sickened me, and it makes me wonder whether
this is a just verdict.

I was surprised and concerned by this verdict. But the jury has
spoken -- nothing can change that. What matters now is what
America says, and America tonight must speak out against hatred and
violence and cruelty. America tonight must speak out for tolerance
and justice and mutual respect for all of the victims of all of the
crimes in our society. In a time of pain and injustice, America must
come together, or we will surely come apart.

We can only hope that out of this pain some good will come.
Already we have seen excellent report of the Christopher
Commission and the appointment of a new police chief in Los
Angeles. The laws must be reviewed to determine if they are
adequate. And we must all work and pray so that no new violence is
born from what has already happened.

It is indeed a tragedy how much our country has come to accept
violence as the rule of the day. We must heal the wounds, bridge the
divisions of fear and hatred and mutual distrust. We must all search
our hearts for compassion, and search our national character for a
new commitment to justice.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re:  Jacksons' New Biographical Movie
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:43:36 GMT

In article <9208171541.AA15264@cs.utexas.edu>
jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON) writes:
>
>A more important person (to most people that is) Jesus christ is blue eyed
>and blond hair and you worship him. I don't remember any of you at any time 
>or other making a big deal out of this. And don't argue that Jesus can be
>any color you want him to because that's just the point. 

Well this is completely wrong.  Jesus definitely was not blue eyed and
blond haired, no matter how many revisionist white painters may 
portray him that way.  In roman times the only people who had blue
eyes and blond hair were German barbarians.  Jesus was either Semetic
(sp) or Black.  There is some pretty good evidence that he was black.
First off, when he was a child he was able to hide from Herod in Egypt
this would seem to indicate that he could blend in with the people of
that country where the people were racially similar to american blacks
today.  Second, the Dead Sea Scroll indicate that Jesus was an Essene
which is an Egyptian jewish sect, once again indicating that Jesus was
similar in appearance to todays american blacks.  The real question is
why are white christians so racist that they have to remake Jesus in
their image?  I have even heard skinheads claim that Jesus wasn't 
jewish.

Finally being a zen buddist, I do not worship anyone, and there are
more Non-christians than christians in the world, in fact I doubt if
christians make more than fifteen percent of the total population, so
Jesus is not a more important to most people.

Leave your provincialism behind and open your mind.

Peace,
       Warren Watts


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:49:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <36733@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> by djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns):

> In article <1992Aug5.202811.7142@crd.ge.com> mmrwlm@sn116.uca writes:
> 
> # No, I am not.  Personally, I have never heard of BEV.  I just
> # interpret English as English.  This is really the first time I have
> # ever heard of that term.  I am assuming that what y ou call BEV is
> # equivalent to the old southern way of calling lunch "dinner" and
> # dinner "supper" .  If I am wrong, please let me know.
> 
> There's really a continuum of dialects ranging from "Plantation
> Creole" to just a hint of an accent attached to Standard American
> English.  And a lot of people are not stuck at one particular point on
> that continuum, but can slide in one direction or another as the
> situation warrants.

Being an amateur linguist, I've always payed attention to the speech patterns
of others.  I found the Black dialects from New York quite different from what
I grew up with in Chicago.  I found southern dialects much more familiar.  In
law school, I knew a guy from Canada, and it was always uncanny listening to
a Black man who sounded like Bob and Doug McKenzie.... :)

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