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From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: PARSER PROLEMS
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:42:13 GMT

Hi all,

We are working on fixing the parser and compiling problems for Khoros 1.0
Patch 5, but need to ask a couple of questions.

For those of you who are having problems, please respond to this...

1. Are you re-acquiring the complete Khoros system, or are you appling 
   patch 5 to exisiting source.

If you are appling patch 5 to exisiting source:

  2. do you execute "make allclean" then run "installit" to build the
     new system; or

  3. do you apply the patch and just run "installit" or "make install"

  4. Please send us the commands that you are using to rebuild the system.

We need to know the answers to these questions because we cannot duplicate
the problems, although we have discoved a couple small problems in our
investigation. We have both applied the patch and done a complete new compile.


Thanks,

Tom

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From: hucaby@mri.uky.edu (David Hucaby)
Subject: Re: editimage and some servers...
Organization: Univ. of Ky MRI Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:58:58 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <37475@pprg.eece.unm.edu.pprg.unm.edu>, sbw@turing.cse.nau.edu 
	(Steve Wampler) writes:
|> Hmmm, I wonder if the problem in MacX, HPUX, and DGUX is related to
|> the mysterious comment in xvd_copy_colormap_and_free() in
|> 
|>         ~khoros/src/xvroutines/Lib/xvdisplay/color.c
|> 
|> Maybe more servers than just OW2.0 have the problem?  I've started tracing
|> through execution on a DGUX system and (using mandril.rgb.xv) the
|> server packs up and goes home when allocating the color with index 241...
|> 
|> Comments?  Just what happens on OW2.0?
|> -- 
|> 	Steve Wampler
|> 	{....!arizona!naucse!sbw}
|> 	{sbw@turing.cse.nau.edu}

I didn't see what the original problem description was, but I have
Khoros patchlevel 5 on a Sun running 4.1.2 and OpenWindows3. Things
work great until I run editimage, then the X server loses connections
and I'm logged out.

On a further thought, I tried running the same Khoros 1.5 on another
Sun with 4.1.1 and OpenWindows2. This time, editimage started up just
fine, but displaying a byte greyscale image causes everything except
the image to go black. Whenever the cursor is inside the editimage window,
you can't even see the buttons or menus to do any interaction.

Is it just me and my machines, or do others see the same troubles?

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From: decemj@vccnorthb.its.rpi.edu (John Arthur December)
Subject: Short Review of Online (Internet) Information Available
Summary:  Review is available; it is short; your comments welcome
Keywords: information, online, Internet, sources, literature
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:50:57 GMT

Hello,

A couple of weeks ago, I requested some suggestions or leads on the
topic of electronic or online journals and news publishing.  Thanks to all
those who responded with suggestions.

I have prepared a short paper describing online information services.
I have focused on services available through the Internet.  This is far
from a thorough scholarly literature review or description at this
point, but I thought I'd make available what I have so far.  It might
help those who are just starting to look at what is available online.

I'm considering this as an area that I would like to explore further,
so I would welcome comments on the brief paper I have prepared so far
or further ideas for online information sources, issues, and discussion.

If you would like to receive this paper, send me email.  
Indicate if you would like to receive it as LaTeX source or plain text.

Thanks again to those who sent me suggestions.
-- 
John December/decemj@rpi.edu/Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute/Troy, New York
PhD Student/Department of Language, Literature, and Communication 
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From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Advise Needed In Implementing Change Management
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:15:41 EST
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <1992Apr14.175628.6961@lotus.com>, pedersen@lotus.com (Michael Pedersen) writes:
> I am preparing to implement a Change Management system in a VAX Cluster
> environment where none has previously existed. However, I am receiving
> conflicting input: some people say that the end user, i. e. the
> applications programmer, should be involved in the process of implementing
> Change Management; others say that I am primarily dealing with changes
> to software and that applications programmers have nothing to do with
> the way I implement Change Management.
> 
> I would appreciate any input on the best way to proceed. Is it one way
> or the other? Or somewhere in between? Please send mail with your thoughts
> and/or opinions.
 
Mike, your question is not uncommon.
 
Whether you need to consider the feelings of the user (developer) 
community or not depends upon what your goal of the change 
management system is. If the system is to be used for only the 
software which is maintained by the systems group/system 
managers, then it is an internal (no pun intended) matter. If the 
developers/users are expected to use the change management system 
for their own work, however, it is a different story.
 
Working on a software product in an environment using a change 
management, configuration control, or similar control environment 
is different than working in an uncontrolled environment. I have 
seen client situations where the new tools improved things, and I 
have seen client situations where the tools were total failures. 
In one case, I was brought in primarily to install such a system, 
and, when I put file protection on source files as the first step 
of requiring people to use the system, the deputy project leader 
and one of his senior programmers objected strenously, as "That 
will prevent us from making changes as we need to" (The problem 
of undocumented, on the fly changes was the reason for the 
management system in the first place).
 
The result was "a management system" where everybody could make 
any change they wanted to, at any time they wanted to. 
Anotherwords, "status quo ante".
 
Successful uses of such tools require user cooperation, or they 
will be circumvented, with sometimes disastrous results.
 
I hope that this has been helpful. My apologies for the lenght of 
the message!
 
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From:         "mnhan040@sivm" <MNHAN040@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More on "What is a GIS?"

From: mnhan040@sivm
  You state that "geographic(al) data implies the scales of interest in human
activity.  Thus, a GIS is not a system for handling microscopic data, nor is it
a system for handling astronomical data."  In my mind, you have very narrowly
defined what a GIS may encompass.  This is the first that I have ever heard of
geographic data being limited to human activity thereby excluding the work of
biogeographers, paleogeographers, geomorphologists, and so on.  One aspect of
working with GIS here at SI is that I have broadened my definition of geography
to include data from the micro to the astronomical level.  Human activity often
enters into the equation, but it is not always required.

Dan Cole, GIS Coordinator, Smithsonian, MNHAN040@SIVM, (202)357-1955
From: sbarrkum@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Se kumarakulasinghe)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Image Processing Newsgroup
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:56:25 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <9204101739.AA28952@bunny.gte.com> millerb%venus.dnet@GTE.COM writes:
>How different is the proposed new group from IMAGRS-L which is available
>via      ugs.cc.uga.edu:LISTSERV@CSEARN.BITNET    ????
>
>BM Miller
>MILLERB%VENUS.dnet@GTE.COM

Possibly make it internet accessible like GIS-L and comp.infosys.gis

Barr Kum
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From:         RSIU42A@SAUPM00.BITNET

Subject: Inadvertently incommunicado!

My apologies for posting this on the list, but most of the people I wish to
reach are subscribers. I was absent from work from March 26 to April 8. Due
to difficulties with our mainframe, any mail sent to me prior to April 5
was lost. If you have attempted to contact me, I would very much like for
you to re-send your mail.

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From:         sfreundsch@KEAN.UCS.MUN.CA
Subject:      Re: GIS Software
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Jay Sandhu suggests that "we" look in introductory GIS texts for
definitions of GIS so as not to speculate what one is - well, I
did and found that current definitions are sooooooo broad as to not be
of much benefit.  Here are some examples:

          What Is A Geographic Information System (GIS)?

An information system that is designed to work with data referenced by
spatial or geographic coordinates.  In other words, a GIS is both a
database system with specific capabilities for spatially-referenced
data, as well as a set of operations for working [analysis] with the
data. (Star and Estes, 1990)

A system for capturing, storing, checking, integrating, manipulating,
analyzing and displaying data which are spatially referenced to the
Earth. (Chorley, 1987)

Automated systems for the capture, storage, retrieval, analysis, and
display of spatial data. (Clarke, 1990)

A system of hardware, software, and procedures designed to support the
capture, management, manipulation, analysis, modeling and display of
spatially-referenced data for solving complex planning and management
problems. (NCGIA lecture by David Cowen, 1989)

An integrated package for the input, storage, analysis, and output of
spatial information... analysis being the most significant. (Gaile and
Willmott, 1989)

GIS are simultaneously the telescope, the microscope, the computer,
and the xerox machine of regional analysis and synthesis of spatial
data. (Abler, 1988)
**************************************

None of these definitions suggests that what Mr. Sandhu, or anybody
else for that matter, puts forward is more correct that anybody else
(though personally I agree mostly with Jay... ;-)

So, I don't think the definition route is the way to go - it is sort
of like trying to formulate a definition of a map that is acceptable to
everybody - it hasn't happened there, and I don't think it will for
GIS either.  So, what is a GIS? (if this is not the most frequently
asked FAQ, and least answered, I would be really surprised!)

Regards

Scott Freundschuh
Memorial University of Newfoundland (way east, until the UK anyway...)
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SAY GIDDAY TO ED FOR ME.

Peter Dyce.
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From:         alan fiermonte <ABZX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Centrographic analysis

Dear GIS-netters:

Is anyone aware of any work involving centrographic analyses of tourism/
recreation resources in large natural environments (i.e. national parks,
forest ecosystems, biosphere reserves, etc.)????

If so, contacts, publication citations, organizations/names would be greatly
appreciated.  THX.

Alan Fiermonte
ABZX@CornellA.cit.cornell.edu
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From:         Jay Sandhu <esri!adriatic!jay@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: GIS Software
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Jim Case writes:

> For instance, in the system I use, while it does not
>have the ability to create buffers, it does have the ability to perform
>radius searches of attribute data, in which a logical operation is performed
>following overlay of a circle of defined radius.  This results in the selection
>of the records which fall within the radius.  I do not know of other types
>of analytical tools which can perform this function.  The spatial relationships
>are critical to this analysis.  Isn't that what GIS is all about???

What you have described is a spatial selection.  This is one component
of a GIS. For example, select all the houses within 1000 meters of
a hazardous waste route. BUT this is not the same as a spatial buffer.
Notice that in the selection, you can only select existing entities
i.e. houses.

Lets pose another question: select all the landuse areas within 1000
meters of a hazardous waste route and then list all the different
landuses and tally the area of each differenet landuse.  This cannot
be accomplished by a spatial selection.  In this case, the resulting
set will include portions of existing landuse polygons.  These are
generally computed by buffering the hazardous route to 1000 meters
and buffering it with the landuse polygon data.

I do not agree with Jim (and Steven S. Yoon) in that a display and
query system should be called a GIS. It is a display and query system.
I think it is the same distinction between a file system and a relational
database. No one would want to call a file system a relational database
just because the file system could do some of the things a relational
database also does. Its a file system.  There is nothing wrong in
using a file system if it does all the things a user wants to do.
it is still a file system. Ditto for GIS.

There are a number of introductry text books on GIS and they all
have definations of a GIS.  Why not use one of those definations
to define the minimal capabilities of a GIS, rather than speculating
on differnt levels of GIS.

Jay Sandhu
email:jsandhu@esri.com
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From:         Mike Gould <IMIKE@VM1.UAH.ES>
Subject:      Re: Decision Support Systems in Environmental/Geotechnical
              Engineering
              13 Mar 1992 02:27:34 GMT from <chess@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>

There is a book, published in 1990 I believe, called something
like Environmental Decision Support Systems, by Werthner and Guariso
(author order unknown).

Sorry for such sketchy details, but I am away from my library of
GIS goodies at the moment.  Paul Densham and I published a biblio-
graphy on SDSS materials and many have environmental-related
titles. Check with NCGIA Publicactions, Phelps Hall, Univ. California,
Santa Barbara, CA.  ncgia@voodoo.bitnet

Mike Gould

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From:         alan fiermonte <ABZX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Centrography

To be perfectly honest...I am still looking for a formal definition
of Centrography/Centrographic analyses but my initial reading and under-
standing of this tool includes deviational ellipses, measures of dispersion,
measures of density, etc.  One excellent source has been the book
Tourism Analysis by  Stephen L.J. Smith of the University of Waterloo.

Centrographic techniques have been used in the past by geographers and
regional scientists to analyze large urban systems with respect to population
and population shifts/migration, but I have been hard pressed to dig up
readily available literature on the application of centrography to tourism
and recreation systems.

Part of the excitement of initializing this thesis endeavor has been the all
around challenge to understand the tool and its application (which
I believe is underutilized or at least not used?) as well develop a way
in which it can be applied to planning, developing and managing large scale
(human) ecosystems that are open to tourism and recreation activity.

Thus, I don't have a formal, narrowed definition of this tool.  I am still
in the early stages of developing my topic so I myself don't really know
the true parameters.  I welcome any contributions to this subject.

I will be happy to provide all my results to the network as they develop, but
don't hold your breath...I am taking my time with this area/thesis to produce
a unique, quality, applicable product.

Alan  Fiermonte
Dept of City and Regional Planning
(aka non-geographer/non-natural resource mgr)
Cornell(ABZX@CornellA.cit.cornell.edu)
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From:         Kenyon.Fairey@UCS.UMASS.EDU
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Please add my name to those being served by your Geographic Information
Systems Discussion List.

Thanks,

Dr. Kenyon Fairey
KFairey@UCS.UMass.EDU
From: boss@geovax.ed.ac.uk (Bruce Gittings)
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Subject: RE: UK GEOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION HANDLING PROGRAMME
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:48:09 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

In article <0095919B.EC6CCF00@vax.nott.ac.uk>, lgzpmm@vax.nott.ac.uk 
(Paul Mather) writes:
> Two UK Research Councils (Economic and Social / Natural Envrionment,
> otherwise known as ESRC and NERC, have been funding a 3-year programme
> on research and applications of GIS. The programme comes to an end in '92
> and on FEBRUARY 4/5 an end-of-programme conference is to be held,

Paul does, of course, mean 4/5 February 1993 for the conference just in case
anyone was confused.

Regards,

Bruce.
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