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From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:57:42 GMT
	<1992Sep10.204152.11191@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.china: 10-Sep-92 Re: I'm very
disappointed i.. George Lo@dvlseq.us.orac (868)

> In article <1992Sep1.194111.25930@csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek
> Chan) writes:
> >
> >
> >|> 
> >|> "Drink Water, Think Source"
> >
> >The source is pretty bad now and I am now drinking other country's water.
> >
> >|> 
> >|> Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
> >|> PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
> >|> the country!
> >|>
> >
> >I strongly suggest you to read the chinese book written by Ba Young - "The
> >Ugly Chinese"(I don't know the official English title). "Chinese are a
> >grain of sand" is actually one of his observations.
> > 
> Just from the fact that you are only thinking about drinking water
> from another country is a good example why Chinese are a grain of
> sand.  I believe there are a lot of Chinese who are the same and
> one day I might be the same too.  However, I will be always thinking
> about the source.

<<<<<<<<

	Please tell me how and what do you mean that you will always thinking
about the source? A grain of sand is not only a trade mark of the
Chinese, but across the world. The only thing is  that we are not
admitting it in order to save face. We have a gov't that have been
saying that China is the stongest nation in the world. 

-tie ju
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:16:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

>soc.culture.hongkong / mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN) /  1:28 am  Sep  9, 1992 /

> I did bring along calculator with me,
> but so far as I know 1 pound = 12 ounces ("nurn"s), I think you are right too.

>>3. 1 catty    = 16 "nurn"-s (can someone supply translation?  

> OF COURSE, 1 catty = 16 ounces

>>
>>The funny thing was that a guy from PRC holds it very strong that 
>>there are only 10 "nurn"s for 1 catty in PRC. And 1 catty is 

> Is he/she Chinese ?  It is a very very very simple basic fundamental ...
> knowledge for Chinese scale.  If he/she is not, that is fine.  However,
> he/she is, you better re-educate him/her.

>>exactly 0.5 kilo-gram. 

Something wrong here. The catty (?) and nurn we talking have different meaning
in Hong Kong (all other Chinese societies) and China. In Hong Kong, 1 catty
= 16 nurns. But in China, 1 catty = 10 nurns offically. Yes 1 offical catty
is half Kg. In private among the farmer, they still using the traditional
weight.

> 1 ounces = 28.4g (not exactly 1 catty = .5 kg, but nearly)

>>Humphrey Hui                      :  Have you taken a risk lately?
>HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au      :  Life is boring without risk!
>                                  :  And, legends can't live long!
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: You can tell ...
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:06:15 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

>In article <18885jINN2bh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito
> T. Kwan) writes:
>>
>>Hi, do you know there is a easy way to tell whether a student in your class
>>is from HK? (In most cases) If she/he can spin a pen, she/he is from HK.
>>-- 

I went to a small highschool outside Toronto in 1981.  At that time, they
were so amzed by my pen twirling that they wrote an article in the 
school newspaper.  I still have it with me and I wanted to share it with
you all.

	King City Secondary School Newspaper, Ontario, Canada, March, 1981

	Our new scouts from Hong Kong told us that a new and 
	exciting techniques called PEN TWIRLING has been successful
	in bugging those teachers to death.  This techniques is sweeping
	the nation.  PEN TWRILING is replacing the famous pen clicking
	of Canada, although it takes more skill and a greater degree
	of concentration(for a while, anyway). It is said that PEN 
	TWRILING was invented by a lowly and bored schoolboy who 
	lacked any form of a clicking pen.  In desperation, he
	twirled his pen, and low and behold, a cult arose.

I even held demonstration in the school cafeteria to show all 
the Canadian kid to PEN TWRILING. :)  Some good memories. :)
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
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From: pj_pycro@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (PJ Pycroft)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.thailand
Subject: Help wanted
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:55:11 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

Hi Netters,

I'm here and I want to make an announce that my father is
planning a holiday (vacation) in Hong Kong of his lifetime. He
was a seaman (during his youth year!) and been around the world
but never to Asia such as HK, Taiwan and somewhere like that.

I would be grateful if you could help me and him!! with such
information he request. He will be going to Hong Kong sometime
in October this year and I think he will stay for 3 weeks.

Here the information that my father request;

Hotels, Hostels;
     cost of staying;
     standard class (single person);
     
Internal flight to;
     Taiwan, Bangkok, Singapore.
          Cost??

Also information on places to go while he is there, ie places of
culture, history, etc. and also information on transport around
Hong Kong and into mainland China, stating whether he will need
his passport i.e. Visa to go to mainland China and another
places.

Sony CCD V600E Camcorder (video camera - PAL system), he request
some accessory for his video camera such as additional telephoto
lens and perhaps he could buy some more thingies what he want.

He also would like to get a Musical Keyboard;
    He specifically request Technics keyboard model SX KN 1000 
    or perhaps similar to that.


About me.. I'm a postgraduate student doing a M.Sc. in Parallel
Computer Systems, I have finished Master's coursework but had to
finish off the dissertion for the next three months i.e. before
December 92' on Noise Recognition using Digital Signal Processing
and Neural Network - Perhaps we could share some ideas on this
subject. I would like to have email penpal so we can exchanges
ideas about computers and any other subjects. I am a English
person but really born and bred in Wales.

Thanks for your help

Ciao

Paul Pycroft

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From: rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy)
Subject: Re: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Organization: Clarify, San Jose
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:51:48 GMT

In article <79432@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:
>In article <eln235s.715946607@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
>>Could anyone verify the following facts about the weighing units we use
>>in the markets in HK ?
>>1. 1 Kilogram = 2.2 pounds
>>2. 4 pounds   = 3 catties (spelling?) (pron.: gun)
>>3. 1 catty    = 16 "nurn"-s (can someone supply translation?)
>>
>>The funny thing was that a guy from PRC holds it very strong that 
>>there are only 10 "nurn"s for 1 catty in PRC. And 1 catty is 
>>exactly 0.5 kilo-gram. 
>
>I have heard about that too.  I was told that they called it "Si(city) Gun."
>It is 0.5kg and is equal to 10 "liang"(or "nurn").  
>
>The yardstick and conversion that you have stated are definitely correctly
>if you are talking about HK.  I believe, it is the same in Taiwan too.  I
>tend to think that PRC like to create "revolutionary stuff."  The new "Gun"
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and "Liang" will be one of them.  
>

I have the same feeling too. Looking at the simplified words they invented for
the Chinese character, I can hardly understand/recognized those Chinese words
(though sometimes I can "guess" the meaning). Thinking of a person who learnt
Chinese characters for 12 years and can't read a Chinese book from China is
not a very good feeling.


-Raymond Choy-


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wchua%bullion.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Willy Chua)
Subject: Handheld TV
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:09:46 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Hi there,

	I've got a question.  Can those handheld TV's selling in the States be
used in Hong Kong?

	Thanks.
	
--Willy

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tee@ecf.toronto.edu (TEE LUNS)
Subject: Re: Priscilla Chan
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.214033.5316@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So) writes:
>1=D
>        .     .
> 5 6 |  1   . 1    6   5    1 2  | 3  -  -  2 3 | 5   . 6    3    2 | 1  -  -
> ---          -    -----    ---             ---         -
> shui  shuet yau  but shan  yin   chik,     shui shuet sang shei but bin,

    God, this is scary. Just before reading this, I turned around to my stereo,
putting in my tape of her 'last' concert ('89 - let's hope it doesn't stay as
the last for too long). Guess what was the first song on side B (tape 2, but
I copied both onto a 100 min tape)?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: onward@fsg.com (Onward Lam)
Subject: Re: Graduate Information Request
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, New York City
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:40:47 GMT

onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:
>ti05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tim Chun-tim Ip) writes:
>>
>>sure you can find it in your library or one of those non-profit
>>institutions which offer free counseling on studying abroad. Try
>>Institute of International Education at Hong Kong Arts Centre in
>>Wanchai.  
>


>IIE has moved.  It is now located inside the US Library.  I don't remember
>which shopping mall it's located in but it is in Wanchai/Admiralty also.
>Call them up, they will certainly give you directions.
>

The US Library is located on 3rd Floor, United Centre, above MTR Admiralty
Station.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip)
Subject: Re: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:14:06 GMT

BTW 3 Gun 4 Bon is the picture for shoe-shiner in action.
I remember in this way. I don't know whether it's just me or not?

And thanks to the consistent effort by the Government to promote SI system,
now many people in HK knows 1kg = 2.2 lb. I still remember the TV commercial
one with 2 old maids chatting, one with a vegetable hawker kiosk.

Patrick
From: davec@davinci.concordia.ca (Dave Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Japan fans?
Keywords: Japan David Sylvian
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:04:22 GMT
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <f3t603Kq80Ra00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> gwang@uts.amdahl.com (George Wang) writes:
>Hi,
>
>
>	Just wondering if there are any Japan or David Sylvian fans 
>on the net.
>
>
>
>					-George-

I'm one, not a very big fan, but I do enjoy his music.  I understand 
he has something new coming out with a Japnese musician.  His last
alblum (I think?) "Secrets of the bee hive" was wonderful.

Dave
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ins903u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (R.Wong)
Subject: From Stars to Students.....
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:29:37 GMT

Hello all fellow netters! How's it going? (in a distinctive Aussie accent)..
Was just looking for some feedback on the subject of pop stars putting their
careers on hold and going overseas to study. Two recent examples which I have
come to know of is Alan Tam and Priscilla Chan. Correct if I am wrong, but I 
heard that these two went to America to do some studying..But amazingly they
only did this for a short time..What did the gain through this short peroid of 
time? Did they find the going too tuff and decided to make more money from 
their musical talents? Who knows? I was just wondering if any of you knew...
I hope I won't get too much critisism regrading this posting..I see many letters get ripped apart paragraph by paragraph sometimes! But I don't think this 
piece makes much of a statement anyway..so with any luck I hope I don't get
any critical replies.... By the way anybody out there interested in corressponding with me? I will gladly reply any mail! See you all later!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN)
Subject: Re: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:28:36 GMT

In article <eln235s.715946607@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au>, eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
>
>Could anyone verify the following facts about the weighing units we use
>in the markets in HK ?
>1. 1 Kilogram = 2.2 pounds

 you are probably right, but the actual figure is 1kg = 2.2046pounds

>2. 4 pounds   = 3 catties (spelling?) (pron.: gun)

 I did bring along calculator with me,
 but so far as I know 1 pound = 12 ounces ("nurn"s), I think you are right too.

>3. 1 catty    = 16 "nurn"-s (can someone supply translation?	

 OF COURSE, 1 catty = 16 ounces

>
>The funny thing was that a guy from PRC holds it very strong that 
>there are only 10 "nurn"s for 1 catty in PRC. And 1 catty is 

 Is he/she Chinese ?  It is a very very very simple basic fundamental ...
 knowledge for Chinese scale.  If he/she is not, that is fine.  However,
 he/she is, you better re-educate him/her.

>exactly 0.5 kilo-gram. 

 1 ounces = 28.4g (not exactly 1 catty = .5 kg, but nearly)

>Humphrey Hui                      :  Have you taken a risk lately?
>HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au      :  Life is boring without risk!
>                                  :  And, legends can't live long!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN)
Subject: Re: Priscilla Chan
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:00:31 GMT


>Gary.Moh@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gary Moh) writes:

>are you guys serious about this?? Priscilla Chan is studying in
>Syracuse University?? that's 45 miles from where I am...

>Gary

	Why bother ????  Leave her alone, guy !

						Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Travel questions
Reply-To: citrin@soglio.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:07:19 GMT

Hi --

I'm going to be in Hong Kong for a few days over New Year's Eve, and I was
wondering what went on on December 31.

Also, I'm interested in hiking some of the longer trails on Lantau and Hong
Kong Island.  I understand they can't be done in a day, so what should one
do about accommodation?  Should I bring a sleeping bag?  Also, are there
similar trails in the New Territories?

Thanks.

Wayne

-----------
Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Pop Charts (9.6)
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:02:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.074432.22858@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> 91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk writes:
>Hi everybody,
>Here comes this week's pop charts from Commercial Radio 2 again.
>
>Pop Single chart(Tsik Tsak Ngok Tan Lau Hang Bong)

[...Stuff(the real thing) deleted...]

>
>Hope you'll enjoy it. See you next week, bye bye! Have a nice weekend too!
>
>BTW, forget to tell you that NCN means no chinese name and all the things not
>english here is in cantonese pinyin.
>
>Aulina from Hong Kong
>91066702@cphkvx.bitnet
>1992.9.6

	Kooooool...this is real kool mate! I love this!
	Do this non-stop will you? 

---Cheers,
	Bill
	
	>*< P.S. The translation(you did that?) was good, and the pinyin, too.
From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: From Stars to Students.....
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:13:54 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <1992Sep16.004914.26096@leland.Stanford.EDU> edward@leland.Stanford.EDU (EDWARD YIM) writes:
> [stuff about SFF deleted]
>
>Also, she is now very active in fighting resources for the deaf because she 
>is almost deaf now.  But she still positively faces the reality and does
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>constructive things.  I think she deserves some respect.

What cause the problem?


--Ben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: Shitan leased to Hong Kong ?
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:22:34 GMT

There is a unconfirmed newspaper report:  Russia has leased 278
hectare of land, for a term of 50 years, on the island of Shitan
to a HK co. by the name of Carlson and Kaplan. 
  
Japan's foreign ministry is asking its HK consulate to try to 
confirm this news, and 16ustered:  "Shitan belongs to Japan, HK 
co. is leasing Japan's territory, Russia has no right to lease 
that land to a third party." 
  
I am glad the HK co. will build an arctic tourist paradise similar
to Waikiki up north.
 
Russia's Yeltsin just canceled his official visit to Japan,
because Japan insists on the return of the 4 Northern Islands
[Shitan is one of the 4] by Russia to Japan as a pre-condition
of the visit.
 
Japan LOST WW-2, AND it was the aggressor that started the war.
Not only does it refuse to apologize (to China for Nanjing and
all the rest, to the U.S. for Pearl), it portrays itself as a
victim:  atomic bomb from the U.S., the 4 islands grabbed by
Russia.
 
The Cairo Declaration of 1943 clearly states: Japan shall
return all lands it grabbed, and the size of post-war Japan
shall be those islands we (the Allies) shall determine.  Japan
unconditionally surrendered in Aug. 1945.
 
It has no right to squawk about terms of surrender, or about
any territory.
 
That includes Shitan.
 
And that includes Diaoyutai, although the legal basis is quite
different in that case.
 
----------
 
Russia also grabbed a piece of East Prussia, part of Germany,
that includes the historic city of Koenigsberg, at the end of
WW-2.  That other defeated country has not made any claims for
its return.
 
Wing


From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:31:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Territory of Ancient China : Ming Dynasty
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) /  3:15 am  Sep  8, 1992 /
>In article <9225200.21875@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>>It occupies what's now the modern China; plus eastern part of Siberia;
>>except Outer Mongolia, and XinJiang Uygur.

>Huh?  No way.  Manchurians were tributary states to Ming, but no way were
>they "controlled."  Besides, not even they controlled eastern Siberia.

They were not states. All of them got offical titles from Ming court. If Ming
court gave a title to any person, it was not only a title but Ming would 
sent in army (or called others to form an army) to establish his authrity.
But Ming did not have any offical station there.

>And I haven't even read one credible source that listed Xin Jiang among Ming
>territory.  In fact, western Gan Su was not part of Ming either.
>>
>>**Area under Central Influence:
>>
>>XiZang (formally called Tibet / Tu Fan) could be argued whether
>>it was under Central Control, or Central Influence; as was
>>Manchuria.

>Huh?  I don't think Ming had any control over Tibet.
The control over Tibet is a bit stronger than North-East. Ming did stationed
some officals there.
>----------

Yuk
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Student Beauty Pageant in Melbourne
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:20:24 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:

>In article <oyang.716524569@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> oyang@cs.monash.edu.au (Kai Shing O'Yang) writes:
>>Folks,
>>I suppose people haven't got much to do nowadays. The Hong Kong
>>Students' Assoc. in Melbourne University will hold its Beauty Pageant in
>>the coming weeks. Apparently, it has stirred up heaps of protests from
>>feminists group in that Uni and they are vowed to close down the contest
>>and also to disband the assoc.

I like the idea.  Tell you what, since our FAQ maintainer for
the HKPA is Alan Yim in Australia, maybe we can ask him to scan 
all the pictures for all the contestants in the pageant and post
it to our GIF sites.  We will then run a poll on SCHK to find
out who is hot and who is not and we comapre it against the result.
Alan, what do you think?
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
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