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From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Electronic Literacy
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One important area of concern I have is the effects of
electronic media on literacy. In particular I am concerned
about the appetite for im mediacy of response and how it
is altering perception/understanding/ articulation of
ideas. There is a communications' law (I believe Hertz')
which states that immediacy of response equals depth of
involvement. I am primarily focussed on anticipation of
future developments in this area, rather than analysis of
past effects. One such development would be the effects
that vocal/auditory interactions with computers would have
on literacy. One hypothetical scenario would be that Star
Trek-like interactions with computers would obviate the
need for a person to know how to produce (at any stage or
in any aspect) a formal document. The person would simply
brain storm with the computer, and the computer would do
the rest. Gandalf, in fact, had such a device, The Voice
Station, which died an early death about five years
ago.

        I'm interested in any thoughts/relevant
information/hypotheses that any one may have, or know of.
Given the nature of future-scanning, even inanities and
jokes may provide intuitive clues, so the door is wide
open.

(BTW, Words-L is an interesting example of the immediacy/
involvement principle in action.)


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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Merry X
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Posted on 23 Dec 1992 at 22:55:04 by Aaron L Dickey
>Get a clue Karen, not
>EVERYONE on this list agrees with everything you say,

If they did I'd be *very* worried.

>and I have plenty of
>FRIENDS here too.

Good, I'm glad to hear it!

Karen
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Curses Soiled Again (was Re: Deep beliefs)
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              Kaczmarczik" at Dec 22, 92 10:41 am

> > or Pontius Pilate. Funny I don't hear anyone taking the name of Moses
> > or Mohammed, or Allah or Buddha in vain.
[...]
> There are people who swear by those other deities you mentioned, no doubt.
> But come on.  This is Europe and America.  Christendom.  You know. So of
> course the term most heard by people is going to have a Christian basis.

In India, people use "Bhagwan" (generic term for God) as well as more specific
names of Rama, Krishna or whoever routinely.  "Hey Allah" is likewise a
commonly used phrase among Moslems.  It's mainly used in the sense that the
original poster who started off this thread did, i.e., "Jesus, do you guys talk
or what?", nothing blasphemous there, imo.  Actually, I don't understand the
"in vain" in Peter's comment.

Of course, it seems more "natural" to say Christ while using English.

-rashmi
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      What A Quiet Bunch
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The list seems strangely quiet this morning.  Is everybody hungover, or
what?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: On the shortage of lives on words-l
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>>The episode in Dayton is the only one not making the news on aus tv.... guess
>>that's not considered newsworthy enough anymore. :-(
>>
>One up my way made the national news here.  An undergrad at a small college in
>Great Barrington Massachussetts went on a shooting spree about two weeks
>ago.  He and his trusty brand new semi-automatic rifle shot and killed
>another undergrad and a Spanish profesor, as wounding several other people.
>Afterward, the kid promptly turned himself over to the cops.
>
>The shootings were apparently random, and I don't think anyone has any idea
>why he did it, kid included. :-(
>
>--
>                ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

I'd not heard of that one either. My guess is that since we also have had
our own version of such massacres in recent times - Strathfield Massacre;
Hoddle Street Massacre and more recently and closer to home the Wyong Massacre
- the media here no longer has interest in such happenings overseas since there
are enough of these types of stories on their home ground.

Carolyn
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>: Stevie's Visa bill is coming to town!
>Master Card and American Express, actually.

Whatever - it has my sympathies.  Did either melt in the slot yet?  One of
mine did get a tad warm this year....:-)

>: Did you ask Santa for anything good this year?
>Eleanor Smeal to take Bill Clinton to task.  Christmas came early :-)
>
And the worst of it is, he *handed* her the ammunition!  There are times I 
almost like that woman....:-)

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: gtoal@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Barbie dolls
Organization: The IBM PC User Group On-line services
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:18:52 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92122211363478@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU writes:
>I think they should be forcibly recalled and destroyed.

LEAVE MY BARBIE DOLL ALONE!

G
(Yes, I do have one.  It's a long story...)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goofing off Saturday
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> Helen's birthday is the 27th May, so she was about the same age as Patricia
> for her first Christmas. We had a really wonderful time that year (and in
> subsequent years) for while she was mainly interested in playing with the
> brightly coloured wrapping paper the rest of us got to revisit our childhoods
> by playing with the toys. :-)
> > Carolyn

YES...this year may be just the lights and the wrapping paper for
Patricia, but I think there will be a good bit of childhood revisiting
going on.  This year I was in a toy store that had all sorts of dollhouses
and toys that will come somewhere on down the line...I can hardly wait!
ndh
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Brad's Entertainment Question
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>  Are you thinking of Karen Black and Jack Nicholson in -Five Easy Pieces-?
>
>  brad

Ah! Your right! I always did get Sally Kellerman and Karen Black mixed up....
don't know why?

Carolyn
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Damned Americans
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OK, what idiot started the perfumed perfume-ad fad?  My nose has been
blocked up all evening and I didn't realise why until I got to that
page of the Times' colour supplement and was hit by the whole strength
of the damn thing.  I had to rush to the kitchen holding it at arms
length to bury it at the bottom of a large black plastic trash bag.

Do you think I could take them to court for assault of the senses?

G
PS I used to think perfume was totally useless but I realise now just
how useful a social indicator it is - knowing someone is the sort of person
who would wear perfume saves weeks of fruitless conversation.  Now if
only the religious and astrological types were that quickly identifiable...
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>  I say he was close enough to give it to him anyway.  (But you're
>  setting a dangerous precedent, cjb.)
>
>  brad

I love living dangerously! :-) I can't think of any games that don't benefit
from having the rules bent a little... do you? I play this way with my family
too.... feigning deafness to incorrect answers to the easiest of questions.

Carolyn
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goofing off Saturday
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> > Chicago to South Bend and back, and did almost all of my Christmas
> > shopping down in the Loop
>
> Wish I were in your shoes - have to do most of mine yet!  I am especially
> bummed as I haven't found anything for two of the most important people on my
> list.  Every year I resolve not to do the holiday thangs - gifts, cards,
 lists,
> but end up doing them all the same.  It seems to get worse each year, I spent
> the past few hours setting up and decorating a tree.
>
Rashmi, if it makes you feel any better, I am finishing cards this
morning, and so far have one present bought (and my husband did that!).  I
found out yesterday that the toys I had ordered for my granddaughter two
weeks ago are out of stock, so I'm afraid it's going to be a Toys R Us
kind of day.  This is the year I have resolved not to be in the mall on
Christmas Eve (left there at 5:15 p.m. last Christmas Eve)...we shall see.
ndh (who really loves Christmas but is never ready for it)
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In a previous article, rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) says:

>>        I still seem to have TMC available -- left over from a free preview
>>and should be able to tape this this afternoon or evening.  Maybe we can
>>have a New England Wordsler Twelfth Night bash, view this flick and
>
>	Sounds like a lot of fun.  What night is 12th night?  I
>know... ignorance.
>
Three King's Day, aka January 6th.  It's the twelth day after Christmas,
the day some traditions say the three magi arrived to see the baby Jesus.
It's still celebrated in Puerto Rico and in some other Latin American
countries.  It used to be celebrated in England too, I think - hence the
name.  What about Scotland, Graham?
-- 
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			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:26:37 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Questions
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: >   What delicacy do we find if we open a box of milky ways?

: We find my favorite candy.  Normally they're not in boxes -- they're sold
: individually in wrappers.  They're chocolate with caramel and something soft
: inside.  Some people think they taste kind of like Snickers, but I don't.
: Snickers are nasty tasting compared to Milky Ways.

Note US Milky Ways aren't the same as UK Milky Ways.

: >    "A cop on the pad": a corrupt cop?

: Irritable?  (I've never heard the expression -- the ? indicates that's a
: guess.)

Guess: "on the beat"?

: >    "The three moles by the corner of her mouth were the size of BBs":
: >    what are BBs?

: Small bullets used in BB guns -- guns children play with.  They are usually
: played with by older children since they can be dangerous -- BBs can put out
: eyes.  I'm trying to think of something to compare BBs with in size but am
: so far blank.  They're a little smaller than whole pepper corns.

Note the American's idea of 'guns children play with' - we're not talking
the little spring-loaded Sekeden toys with the gold-painted clay balls -
these are proper airguns and dangerous enough to do real injury.  Over here
you have to be > 16 to own one, and aren't allowed to discharge it in
public: private property only or a licensed target range.

: >    "You never could resist mashing on a guy's oysters": what, if anything,
: >    does this idiom convey to you?

: Putting him down.

I think we're back to Prarie Oysters again?

: >    Vick's VapoRub: what revolting product is this?

: Something for colds, I think.  I've heard of it all my life and have
: seen it in stores, but I'm not really sure what it's used for.

Does 'Oil of Wintergreen' mean anything to you?  Ever do athletics.  Yuk.

G
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nerve of steel
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On Mon, 28 Dec 1992, gilbertsmith wrote:

> I think, and the miata agrees, that the Honda Sol is just the car
> for you, natalie.... though it is only a half-convertible, like

Yeah, and plus when she gets hers we'll have matching cars yet again cause
I am gonna get one too.

It's the del Sol, btw.

-abh
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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:27:41 GMT

ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka) writes:


>Ditto.  

Aw, Ruth, c'mon...I was hoping for a more verbose response than THAT from
you, after admiring your posts so since my return...::snif::

Happy Xmas,

--Aaron

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From: maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor)
Subject: Re: Ding Dong The Listserv's Dead
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:07:51 GMT

ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka) writes:

>That sounds familiar.<groan>  I take it the Beagle Brigade will be setting
>out for Atlanta again?

The listserv doesn't live in Atlanta.  It lives in Athens.  The Beagle
Brigade is snoozing on the couch right now, looking unenthusiastic about
traveling to Georgia.  I'll work on rousing him.                 
--
   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nerve of steel
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> I can see that there will be a very difficult decision coming up
> right soon.  How will we (me and my miata) decide?  Who will offer
> the best <deal>?  What's in it for us?  Oh me oh my this will be a

Think about distances involved...

> advice of the more knowlegeable, such as gt or ts....  Perhaps
> the color will be the deciding factor.

Uh oh.  Does the Miata lean toward the Emerald Green del Sol?  What would
the Miata think about passionate red?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Gilbert's Entertainment Question
              31 Dec 1992 11:46:00 EST from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

And you don't even know if ABC stands for American Broadcasting Corp.
or Australian Broadcasting Corp.  (or are they just Companies?)

Evelyn
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sweatin' it out
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> Do you remember the old car air-conditioners that were shaped like a
> butane/propane tank (only much smaller) and were mounted at the top and
> outside of a car window?

I remember the ones that looked kind of like large intestines near the back
of the car.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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*** Resending note of 12/29/92 11:35

>What's Perh.?  I keep thinking it must be something obvious, but my mind
>is blank at the moment.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Perhaps that's the problem? ;-)
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Santa Claus
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Unlike Nancy, who spilled the beans to Susan herself, *my* daughter had
the unpleasant truth delivered by her first grade teacher, who not only
told the class there was no Santa, but that there was no tooth fairy, no
Easter bunny, and no telling what else.  This mother was in overdrive big
time when I learned this.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goofing off Saturday
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              27 Dec 1992 21:43:19 -0500 from <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>

On Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:43:19 -0500 Joan Boorstein said:
>Dan, glad to read your postings -- must mean that you are feeling better --
>hope your vision continues to improve
>
   so far so good....though will be several months before they'll give
me a new lens in glasses to make it really of any use....oh, well...
so much for instant gratification....   8-)

hugs

dan
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Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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On Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:36:12 GMT Graham Toal said:
>        Marty Rosen, Assistant Professor
>
>Ah, but you're an *assistant* professor - that's only half as pretentious.
>(And you never put it in your sig...)
>
   I also never use it, but am indeed a Professor.  with no adjectives in
front of it.

dan, the cyclops, with a still way-too-dilated left eye that doesn't focus
worth a shit.
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> From: Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

> One of the few exceptions was an early novel of Asimov's; I read that
> people were actually asking librarians for the items listed in the
> footnotes.
>

There is, of course, _A_Clockwork_Orange_. Its Penguin version
glossary was done against the author's permission. The US publisher
didn't think his customers would believe that Alex would reform in
the the end, so he cut out the last chapter. Kubrick read the US
version ....  Publishers!!!!
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didn't talk long for abh's nerve to break: here it came, on time as expected...

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        Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS@cwu.bitnet>,
        Natalie Maynor <maynor@ra.msstate.edu>, richh <richh@netcom.com>,
        s mandell <pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu>, Tushar <tushar@cs.uchicago.edu>
Status: R

But it looks like the emergency listserv is back in operation...

-abh
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