HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chapman@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gary W. Chapman,WWH 318,212-998-3045,718-499-7815)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: Putting Kermit in gopher? (re: automatic logins)
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:38:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

>I strongly object to  the proposal that Mac & PC users be required to
>run kermit on their machines to access Gopher. Kermit has a lot of 
>problems and I quit using it sometime ago.

I strongly object to such an uninformed comment... at least you could
base your comments on the current PC version which has many virtues, not
the least of which is an extremely energetic person (Prof Joe Doupnik)
working hard on it.  Get the latest beta from watsun.cc.columbia.edu
(/kermit/test/ms*.*)...  The beta Mac version there is also extremely
promising (although there is no TCP support at present).

But it would be absurd to REQUIRE people run Kermit.  We need flexibility
in our options.

- Gary W. Chapman, New York University
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: billy@sol.acs.unt.edu (Billy Barron - VAX/UNIX Systems Manager)
Subject: Re: File security
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:21:00 GMT

lindner@danzig.micro.umn.edu (Paul Lindner) writes:

>Well, I just looked at the source.  (I didn't write this code, John
>Sellins did..)  Looks like you don't need the -c option to change the
>userid.  Thus the following is perfectly legal:

>gopherd -u ftp /usr/ftp 70

>This uses chroot *and* changes the user to ftp.  

People should keep in mind that if you use chroot that you can't use symbolic
links.  There are probably a few other downsides to using it.  It's the same
old security versus functionality issue.  If you don't have a need requiring
the functionality, then by all means, chroot and the uid change is the way
to go.

Billy Barron
billy@unt.edu
"One of these days I'm going to put my sig file on this Unix machine"
From: lindner@danzig.micro.umn.edu (Paul Lindner)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: File security
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:08:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr7.220806.20407
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis

In <1992Apr7.204700.21920@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert) writes:

>Could someone compare on pros and cons of gopher security using default
>options versus above options (-c -u user)?  My understanding here is vague,
>and I apologize for not going to the source first to look up the answers,
>but feel the answer may be of interest to several people.

>If I recall, the ftp daemon for anonymous ftp improves security by (a)
>using chroot to make the ftp/... path the apparent root path, and (b)
>sets user id to "ftp" so only normal user privileges apply.

>If I recall right, the default gopherd security uses (a) chroot, but then
>runs as root owner w/ all privileges, but the above options "-c -u" sets
>a user id (b) but does not do a chroot to isolate the directory path.  If
>this is correct, which is safer?  Are there drawbacks to one or the other
>gopherd security option?  Could one have a gopherd use both chroot and a
>user id to improve security?

Well, I just looked at the source.  (I didn't write this code, John
Sellins did..)  Looks like you don't need the -c option to change the
userid.  Thus the following is perfectly legal:

gopherd -u ftp /usr/ftp 70

This uses chroot *and* changes the user to ftp.  

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From: prao%bluemoon@hub.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: More...or less?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:44:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: bluemoon.9204072144.AA04158
Distribution: alt
Original-To: gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]


The secure gopher package thats on boombox has a nice telnet but a very
sparse "more" command.  Since the more from the BSD net-2 tapes never quite
compiled on an ultrix machine, we tried out GNU-less instead.  You can pick
up a package from "bluemoon.ucsb.edu" (pub/less-177.tar.Z and
pub/less-diffs.tar.Z -- the diffs are actually files, not patches).  It
provides forward/backwards searches and is quite a bit nicer than sparse
mores.  The shell escapes, vi editing, and ability to view other files
was taken out (commented out/ifdef'd out for the most part).  It was a quick
5 minute hack, so feel free to build a "nicer less".  The best part is the
prompt, you can set up a real snazzy one (we've got # lines and % of file).

To patch gopher, you merely need to edit the configuration file in the
client directory of the source (conf.h), change the "more" bin command to
"less" or "secure-less" (we call it that here, vs. normal less for 
non-anonymous users). 

For a demo of the less command, gopher to hcfmail.ucsb.edu (p70 & 150).

parik rao						 prao@bluemoon.ucsb.edu
From: Agostini@iroe.iroe.fi.cnr.it
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: NEW SERVER GOPHER AT IROE-CNR
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:08:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: iroe.9204091608.AA00031
Distribution: alt
Original-To: gopher-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu

Hello,
I would inform all networker that now it is available a 
GOPHER server at:

Electromagnetic Wave Research Institute of
National Research Council (Florence Italy)

This is the access point for the CNR Campus at Florence
The internet address is 149.139.1.50

       gopher.iroe.fi.cnr.it  port. 70

If you want it is just running up with sperimental 
information, some in Italian Language and other in 
English. Please inform me if you use it, for a simple 
statistics. 

Thanks again, and best regards from Florence.
 
Agostini Alessandro                           IROE-CNR
Via Panciatichi,64                
Firenze
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: archer@sequent.com
Subject: Re: slings
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:02:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.065626.21018@uwm.edu> bart2250@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Bartelt) writes:
>has become obvious. Should I get rid of the weight, go to a lighter weight, or
>is there a stabilizer setup that will allow me to move the bows' center of
>gravity more in line with the riser?

Actually, you *want* the bow to continue forward (and dip forward) after
the shot.  After the shot, the energy and momentum are going forward away
from the bow.  The bow *should* also move forward and "dip".  As long as
the stabilizer isn't so heavy that the bow seems very "nose heavy", you
are fine.  

Most bows tend to fall backwards (or stay level) because there is more
weight behind the riser (toward the string).  Basically, I would say not
to worry about it.  As an example, I had my finger sling break one time,
and the bow flew out of my hand and the stabilizer was the first thing to
hit the ground.  If you shoot without grabbing the bow, then you will notice
that the bow will "jump" out of your hand.

Of course, these are just my opinions and a reflection of the way I was
taught.....

>						Paul Bartelt
>                                                UW - MILWAUKEE

-Bryan

--
Bryan Rowland			archer@sequent.com
Sequent Support
From: bart2250@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Bartelt)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: ACE
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:38:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr8.033811.23159
Organization: University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee
Originator: bart2250@miller.cs.uwm.edu


You don't wear an ACE,,,you shoot it,,,don't feel too bad, I just found out what they are my self. All you journeyman archers out there should be kind enough
 to talk or should I say type in laymens' terms.

							Paul Scott Bartelt

							THE UNIVERSITY OF
							   WISCONSIN
           			                         AT MILWAUKEE
From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: British Uni archery
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:28:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

In article <13440@suns2.crosfield.co.uk>, mj@crosfield.co.uk (mike judd) writes:
> >For example: 	What do people think of ACE's?

(Hi Stuart.) As you know, I think ACEs are the best thing since sliced bread.
Pity they're so expensive. I've worn out a dozen last year, and I'm probably
going to go through another dozen or more this year. I used to think this was
expensive until I looked at the cost of travelling to major competitions (I
reckon it will cost me L60-80 per tournament to go to the British GP Fita
Stars). Just got back from the first shoot of the season yesterday; ten hours
driving (including rest stops) to get back :-(

> In article <1992Apr2.124551.11358@eng.cam.ac.uk> sgb@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.G. Baines) writes:
> >		How does the Stylist bow shoot?
> 
> 	I shoot a stylist bow with beman arrows. This combination is
> 	very fast and I would not recomend it to someone new to shooting.
> 	I use it for target archery and find it a nice bow to use but
> 	it doesgo with a bit of bang which may upset some archers.

This does surprise me. I've only tried a stylist briefly, but everybody that
I've talked to about it (including Steve Hallard) says that it is designed for
stability, not speed. The draw is certainly very smooth, and it doesn't seem
very fast. Most of the stylists I've seen have been quite quiet too.

> >		Why is the weather so bad when I practice outdoors?

I think that it's called "Winter". It's supposed to be spring at the moment,
only the weather hasn't noticed yet. Why is it so bad for important
competitions :-(

a.
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From: kuraishi@athena.mit.edu (Takeo Kuraishi)
Subject: Re: ACE?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:33:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.171105.17799@uwm.edu>, bart2250@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Bartelt)
 writes:
|> 
|> Somebody please tell me what these ACE's are. I must have missed a 
|> previous posting where whatever it is was described. THANX.

ACE is an abbreviation for Aluminium/Carbon/Extreme. It is made by Easton,
and is probably one of the most expensive set of arrow you can buy.....

It is basically a carbon arrow with aluminium core. It is very light, so that
you could get low trajectory and high speed. I had mentioned BEMAN, which is
also a carbon arrow( in this case, a mixture of carbon and glass fiber).
They are basically for competition target shooters, I think. In terms of 
adjustments, ACE gives you more choice on how to make adjustments to spine and 
such. 

I don't have any information on their price here in the US, but I do know the
price in Japan, which you probably would not want to hear...

PS. I have seen quite a few people change from aluminium to ACE arrows, but
only a few have been able to increase their scores. As everyone knows, it is
very important to have a proper form before you go off buying fancy equipments...

	Takeo Kuraishi
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: guest@scc-term1
Subject: TEST
Organization: Computer Center, National Central University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:05:35 GMT


TEST TEST
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Subject: Form question
Reply-To: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:53:13 GMT


I finally got to see a videotape of me shooting. I noticed that at full draw, 
my elbow is several inches (3-4) above the line of the arrow. I have suspected 
this was the case for a long time because I end up with a serious callous on 
the pad of my third finger but not the other two. Should I try to alter my form?
I'm anchoring my forefinger behind my canine tooth, I draw about 31". To get my 
forearm in line with the arrow I figure I'd have to either lean my body backward 
or draw to somewhere around my ear (which would make for ~35" draw, then I'd 
_have_ to foot all my arrows :(  

Is this sort of misalignment really a problem or potential problem?

Or am I just trying to borrow trouble?

Carl

When I stop learning, bury me.
From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: many thanks
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:42:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr16.164234.6504
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr16.053638.15946@uwm.edu> leonardo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul Scott Bartelt) writes:
>
>If any of the advice you've all been giving me pays off next fall,
>Bambi does'nt stand a chance.
>
>I would like to try some competetive shooting sooner or later. Does
>anybody  out there fare well with a hunting compound. Are there
>leagues for  hunting archers?
>
>To the guy who wants to break 300fps.... Buy a 30-30 lever action. I
>shoot around 280-290 and to me that's 'screamin enuff'.
>
>                                               Paul Scott Bartelt
>                                               UW - MILWAUKEE
>
>
>BO knows archery, too. Maybe there is life after baseball.

In competative archery there actaully are usually three catagories for bow
hunters. Bow Hunter Freestyle-five fixed pins, no crosshairs, short stabalizer,
400 grain arrow(min) and any type of release. Bow Hunter Freestyle limited is
exactly the same only no release and then there is Bow Hunter Barebow-no
release, short stabalizer, 400 grain arrow(min), no sighting devices and a
fixed anchor(no string walking). Of course these are seperated into mens and
womens classes, and in this state young adult, children, and senior.

Incidentally what kind of equipment are you breaking 280 with? I have seen
the new pro-line New Wave hunting bow break 300fps with a 400 grain
carbon at about 80lbs with a rope release, but that was just barely. 280-
290 with a real hunting arrow is pretty fast.   

Dan Perreault
dasaxe@u.washington.edu

"Chuck Adams pays for as much of his hunts as I pay for your shit."
--Bill Hickey owner of the Nock Point archery shop.
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: ejwanat@IASTATE.EDU (Edmund J Wanat)
Subject: problems 
Reply-To: ejwanat@IASTATE.EDU (Edmund J Wanat)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:13:56 GMT

HI,
	I have been shooting for a while and shoot in the 290 to 300 range
consistantly. Lately I have been having problems with what I think is a form of
anticipation. After I practice for a while I start to gradually creep over to
the left. If I change the sight, a few shots will be ok, but then it starts
again. After a while I just run out of sight adjustment.
	If I stop shooting for a week of so, The problem clears up for a while, but
returns after some heavy shooting. Help!
	Ed
From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Bow balance (was: RE: SLINGS)
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:12:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

In article <1992Apr13.054028.18506@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, toomer@CS.ColoState.EDU (christopher toomer) writes:
>   As far as stabilizers go, I find my bow seems more balanced with one
>   attached.  It is also quieter.  This is no doubt due to the extra mass
>   the stabilizer provides to absorb vibrations after the shot.

This isn't really surprising, when you consider that most modern target bows
(recurve and compound) are designed to be shot with stabilisers. The riser is
made a little lighter than it would be otherwise. I'm waiting to how the new
carbon-fibre risers perform; they're much lighter than aluminium or magnesium
risers, but I've heard suggestions that too little weight in the riser will be
as bad, if not worse, than too much. I suppose the question is "how little is
too little?".

a.
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From: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Subject: Re: Long Bows
Reply-To: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:15:57 GMT


Jay Spiegel writes about shooting without an arrow rest:

>...I feel that I have more control of the
>flight of the arrow when it is resting on my hand.

I have long been curious about this, I have seen others do it and I 
always wonder why they don't end up with fletch-cuts in their bow hand. 
I used to screw up my release sometimes in such a way that my left 
knuckle got hit by the fletches, I usually bled. I have not tried 
_intentionally_ shooting off my finger, is there something special 
you have to do?

Carl

WISL,BM.
From: mj@crosfield.co.uk (mike judd)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: British Uni archery
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:47:52 GMT
Reply-To: mj@crosfield.co.uk (mike judd)
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <1992Apr2.124551.11358@eng.cam.ac.uk> sgb@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.G. Baines) writes:
>Are there any other archers from Britain, particularly, or recurve archers
> in general who read this board? It seems that many of the articles are
> related to compounds and that target archery is completely unheard of.
> I would be interested to hear from anybody who has anything to say.
>
>For example: 	What do people think of ACE's?
>		How does the Stylist bow shoot?
>		Why is the weather so bad when I practice outdoors?
>
>			Stuart Baines
>			Cambridge University
>			[ sgb@uk.ac.cam.eng ]

Hi
	I am new to posting so bear with me if things go wrong.

	Yes there are archers in britain who read this group I am one.
	I shoot a stylist bow with beman arrows. This combination is
	very fast and I would not recomend it to someone new to shooting.
	I use it for target archery and find it a nice bow to use but
	it doesgo with a bit of bang which may upset some archers.
	
	I am not a very experienced archer so I cean not give a good
	comparison with other bows. I find it needs quite a lot of
	stableization to stop it shakeing the site and stabalizers 
	loose. Not a problem as long as you frequently check all
	nuts are tight.

		Mike Judd
Newsgroups: alt.archery,rec.org.sca
From: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Subject: Knapping
Reply-To: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:46:28 GMT


I'm looking for a reference on knapping. I've done some work 
with bottle-glass and have reached a sort of technical plateau 
because I know only one flaking technique.

Carl / Frydherik (yep, one o' them SCA people)

I'm still trying to learn, don't bury me.
From: jaspiegel@apollo
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Long Bows
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:41:23 GMT
Reply-To: jaspiegel@apollo
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC

In article <1992Apr7.211557.20520@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West) writes:
>
>
>...I always wonder why they don't end up with fletch-cuts in their
>bow hand. 

Many of the shooters that I know who don't use arrow rests do wind up,
occasionally, with cuts, but I use a four-fletching arrow and wear a 
light weight baseball batting glove on my left hand.

>I used to screw up my release sometimes in such a way that my left 
>knuckle got hit by the fletches, I usually bled. I have not tried 
>_intentionally_ shooting off my finger, is there something special 
>you have to do?
>
>Carl

I guess it is probably something you have to get used to.   I find it 
useful for last minute distance and wind adjustments.   All you have 
to do is grip the bow tighter and the arrow rises on the rest as your
hand expands.   The key, really, is not to be afraid of it.   



			Jay Spiegel

			Davidson College, NC, USA
From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: slings
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:56:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr12.065626.21018@uwm.edu> bart2250@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Bartelt) writes:
>I recently purchased a new bow. I've begun to shoot with a bow sling on the
>advice of a local pro. I had a tendency to hold my bow ham fisted and this
>would fatigue my forearm after several rounds of arrows. He suggested
>trying to use the sling so I did. My question is...My bow tends to dip forward
>after the shot, not so much as I have to literally catch the bow but it is
>noticeable. I previously shot with a hunting stabilizer (9 inch extension)
>but with the addition of the bow sling and it's mounting harware, I've
>removed the extension bar and just screwed the weight into the sling hardware
>which gives about 2 inches of extension to the weight. I never noticed this
>rotation when I didn't use the sling but now that I've loosened my grip, it
>has become obvious. Should I get rid of the weight, go to a lighter weight, or
>is there a stabilizer setup that will allow me to move the bows' center of
>gravity more in line with the riser?
>
>
>                                               Paul Bartelt
>                                                UW - MILWAUKEE

First of all there is nothing wrong with the bow dipping forward some after
the shot. In fact FITA shooters generally put V-bars on their bows so that
after the shot the bow will rotate forward evenly without wobbling. Second,
one of the easiest ways to stop the forward roll, is to just lay your fingers
on the front of the riser. Don't wrap your hand around the grip, just lay
the pads of your fingers along the front. A third way is to get a front
wieght. Most new compound bows have a tapped out hole on the face of the bow
(your side) that a weight can be screwed into to change the balance. In
particular target setups often have them. If you really decide to spend a      
little, you might want to look into a dynamic stabalizer (alfred, bowmar,
ace or such) which are more than just a dead wieght on the end of your bow.
These can take more of the vibration out of the shot which would settle
down the forward rock.



Dan Perreault
dasaxe@u.washington.edu
From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Worn out ACEs
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University

Just out of curiosity how do you wear ACE's?
------------
Alex
From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: re: several previous queries.....
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:22:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

In article <6550@shodha.enet.dec.com>, tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes:
> 	Anyway, if these type of comments are not appreciated, just say so
> 	and I'll go away....or maybe be just read-only. ttfn.
> 
> -gabe

Good points, all of them.

Here's a little aphorism that I heard from a coach:

        "The hardest distance in archery is the six inches between your ears"

This is very true; I shot an indoor Fita last Sunday, and actually shot a lot
worse at 90m & 70m than I do outdoors; it was probably because I thought
"indoors is easy; there's no wind or rain", so I didn't concentrate on
shooting good shots. After a couple of bad ends at 50m, I stopped thinking
about massive scores, stood up straight, pulled the arrows through the clicker
and let go of them, and started shooting much better.

Disappointing overall, but everything that went wrong was in the mind. Bad
attitude and self esteem won't get you anywhere.

a.
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