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From: lw2c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Levi  Wallach)
Subject: Telnet Access to MCI Mail
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:57:07 GMT

Sorry about the last message.  I would like to access mci mail through
my internet terminal.  I tried "telnet mcimail.com" and this seemed to
connect and then all of a sudden boot me off with "connection refused"
or somesuch.  Is there any way that I can access my account other than
calling up mci's number via modem?  Thanks!

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|Levi Wallach                           lw2c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu|
|University of Virginia                                               |
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From: flbbs!mike.morrell@ncoast.ORG (Mike Morrell)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: TCP/IP
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: flbbs!mike.morrell@ncoast.ORG (Mike Morrell)
Organization: Fleet BBS (216) 646-0655 24 hrs HST

Does a way exist to get a message over to the Packet guys using
TCP/IP via this newsgroup ??? Or any other method using UUCP ??
Thanks Mike
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: fj.* (from Japan newsgroups) via anonymous login somewhere?
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:44:35 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Are there any boards that have access to the fj.* (from japan)
newsgroups?  I'm having trouble finding a way to rrn with vms so
I'd like to be able just to anonymous login to somewhere.  Thanks..
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Medical School of Wisconsin
From: mikefitz@beach.csulb.edu (Mike Fitzpatrick)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:04:08 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Does anyone know if the Medical College of Wisconsin has there new
machine up and running?  and if so what is there Internet address?

thanks

Mike

Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: thoma@spud.kludge.com (Chris Thoma)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: BBS Magazines/addresses
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:30:28 PDT
Organization: Tater Tot Liberation Front, San Francisco CA

Im interested in getting a hold of some bbs magazines. What is the 
address/phone of 'Boardwatch Magazine'? Also, anyone know of any other 
bbs magazines?Please mail me if you do!

thoma@spud.kludge.com (Chris Thoma)
From the home of FREE Usenet / Internet Access for San Francisco
Tater Tot Liberation Front BBS, San Francisco CA    +1 415 255 8340
From: eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Looking For E-Mail Address To University Of Southern Indiana
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

University of Southern Indiana is USI.EDU or 192.206.9.0 if you're into the
numbers thing.

Ned.
From: peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Wanted: BBS List for U.S.
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:50:35 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

NIXPUB lists 130 or so public-access Unix sites.
It is revised monthly and posted in the newsgroups comp.misc, comp.bbs.misc
and alt.bbs (and possibly others) It can also be subscribed to as a
mailing list and is available for FTP from several sites.
PDIAL gives details of a number of significant Internet service providers.
To get a copy, send email to info-deli-server@netcom.com. The body of the
message should contain the words "send pdial"	
	
				No Sig For Me
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: alan@admiral.uucp (Brad Alan)
Subject: Re: internet 212 - 718
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.283.3338@execnet> "richard velez" <richard.velez@execnet.com> writes:
>Hello There,
> I am looking for a BBS which carrys the UseNet/InterNet Gateway,
> with in area code 212 or 718, I've heard of the Invention Factory
> that is within area code 212 but its too costly. I'm on a BBS
> called ExecNet which is in 914, and thats a pretty costly call to
> make everyday, so if ya have any other BBS that ya know of thats
> carrys the UseNet/InterNet Gateway please let me know. Thanks.
>
     
Richard -

	There is a system in the 718 area code called Panix.  It has everything
you could possibly want, Usenet, shell accounts, ftp, telnet, etc... The number
is (718) 832-1525.  I hope this helps.

-- 
alan%admiral.uucp@yale.edu (brad alan) <yale!admiral!alan>
The Admiral's Public UNIX - Greenwich, CT - System Administrator: Doug Fields
(HST/V32) (203)661-2873 -- (PEP/V32) -1279 -- (V32) -0450 -- (V29/MNP6) -2967
>FREE!< Unix shell accounts, Usenet access, and Internet-style mail available
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: reiling@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
Subject: BBS/Usenet access (803) area
Reply-To: reiling@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:41:22 GMT

Anyone out there care to help out a Usenet addict locate a high speed 
dial up modem connection to a Usenet gateway BBS. Thanks in advance.

DR
From: copernicus@digund.uucp (Copernicus) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Looking For E-Mail Address To University Of Southern Indiana
Date: 25 Sep 92 21:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Digital Underground - PRIVATE
Reply-To: copernicus@digund.uucp (Copernicus) 


I am looking for the e-mail path to the University Of Southern Indiana.

Note:  This is not related to the Indiana University schools
 (like Indiana University Southeast)

I have tried calling the computer dept. at USI but they are too stupid to
even know what an e-mail address is.

Thanks for any leads.

chris.nalley%digund@coplex.com
---
 . SLMR 2.1 . Digital Underground - A Copernician Corporation
                                     
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: dpaper@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Paper)
Subject: Re: internet access
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: corporate
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:02:35 GMT


If you want the BEST AND FASTEST waty onto Internet, GET A DEDICATED line..
or you have to worry about systems being down, etc..

$.02 worth

-dave
From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Internet Access Available
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:51:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club



Attention Internet Users:

There is an Online Service reachable through the Internet that offers 
stimulating conversation and entertainment.  We have RIME conferences
online as well as Usenet NEWS and other local message areas.  We also
have File Transfers available for many computer types, with either modem
or network file transfer capability (XMODEM, ZMODEM and FTP).

We have access to several MUDs including Vincents Hollow, and great
multi-player games such as Conquest, a full-screen space battle game,
and other entertainment sections, such as a CB Simulator and IRC Chat.
We host weekly CB conferences on various topics ranging from education
instruction practices to events on current affairs (such as the LA
riots and associated happenings).  People from all over the world
participate in our message areas - bringing the world closer together
to form a global meeting place.

We offer Internet access to all users, however Commercial users are
restricted to non-NSFnet access.  Only Educational and Research uses
are permitted over the NSFnet.

TELNET, FTP, MAIL, FINGER, and TALK access is available online.

The name of the system is the IDS World Network.  How can you get there?

      Modem:  (401) 884-9002   (high speed numbers available upon request)
      Internet:      telnet ids.net   [155.212.1.2]

Members of the Education and Research community are invited to participate,
as we are constantly looking to link users from these groups together.

Andy, sysadmin@ids.net
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: GEnie Connection - Can I email to there?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:59:32 GMT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

My girlfriend who lives in Tennessee is getting a modem and a GEnie connection.
I am wondering if I can email her using Internet.  If this is in the FAQ,
please forgive me because I haven't seen the FAQ yet.

Please email me the answer.  Thank You.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Wanted: BBS List for U.S.
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:31:07 GMT

Does anyone know of a file that may be FTP'd (and location) that might carry
a comprehensive list of public Internet/Usenet sites.  I'm looking for
commercial companies like Netcom as well as local BBSs.   I'm attempting to
compile a directory for post on Prodigy for users who do not currently have
access.

Chris Colvin
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Compuserve (telnetting to) 
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:51:56 GMT

REW> == "Russell E. Whitaker" <whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk> 

 ckd> (Fix your news software; it's repeating your domain.)

 REW> Thanks; I *think* I managed to do just that...

Looks fixed now.

 ckd> What X.400 gateway?  Note that the CompuServe <-> Internet email
 ckd> gateway (which is not an X.400 gateway, thank Ghod) is *completely
 ckd> unrelated to MERIT* and could not be "pulled" by them.  It is, in
 ckd> fact, run off of CompuServe-owned hardware on an Alternet
 ckd> connection.

 REW> By the way, what would be the undesirable consequences of CIS having
 REW> an X.400 gateway?

Oh, just the usual annoyance of X.400 addressing:
/C=US/ADMD=Internet/DSN=ckd(a)eff.org/ or whatever bizarre form it comes
out as instead of just >INTERNET:ckd@eff.org.

 REW> Given what you say, above, why might CIS object to users telnetting
 REW> via Merit?

Who knows?
--
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<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   | ``[Y]ou don't cure bad art by locking it all up
System Administrator, EFF | in one museum, you cure it by throwing tomatoes
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   | at bad artists.'' --Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk ("Russell E. Whitaker")
Subject: Compuserve (telnetting to) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Extropy Institute
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:46:34 +0000


In article <CKD.92Oct1150010@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org writes:

>
>REW> == "Russell E. Whitaker" <whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk.demon.co.uk> 
>
>(Fix your news software; it's repeating your domain.)
>

Thanks; I *think* I managed to do just that...


> REW> Not that they mind CIS subscribers using the node: CIS makes its
> REW> money on connect time.  The rub is that hermes has complained to
> REW> NIS; if too many CIS subscribers dial into the hermes node, CIS'
> REW> X.400 email gateway will be pulled!  This would, of course, be a
> REW> disaster...
>
>What X.400 gateway?  Note that the CompuServe <-> Internet email gateway
>(which is not an X.400 gateway, thank Ghod) is *completely unrelated to
>MERIT* and could not be "pulled" by them.  It is, in fact, run off of
>CompuServe-owned hardware on an Alternet connection.
>--

X.400... I must have been thinking of GENie.  There were rumors a
while back that they were getting such a gateway.

By the way, what would be the undesirable consequences of CIS having
an X.400 gateway?

Given what you say, above, why might CIS object to users telnetting
via Merit?

>Christopher K. Davis      |       NET.INSIGHTS INTO ARTISTIC CRITICISM:
>

Russell Earl Whitaker                   whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk
Communications Editor                       71750.2413@compuserve.com
EXTROPY: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought         AMiX: RWHITAKER
Board member, Extropy Institute (ExI)
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From: flbbs!mike.morrell@ncoast.ORG (Mike Morrell) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: RE: BBS ORIENTED MAGAZIN
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Fleet BBS (216) 646-0655 24 hrs HST
Reply-To: flbbs!mike.morrell@ncoast.ORG (Mike Morrell) 

On 9/27/92, Patt Bromberger wrote:


-> >What about Boardwatch? Mag from Denver Co.One of the oldest BBS mags
-> >that I know about. 7586 West Jewell Ave Suite 200, Lakewood, Co
-> 80232. >I love it.

Patt, do you have a telephone number for BOARDWATCH...or do I call
303 a/c and ask for "BOARDWATCH" in Loveland. Co. ?
Thanks Mike
                                                    
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Help me with internet access!
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:16:38 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hi gang. I just moved to the Southern Maryland/Washington
DC area and am looking for the numbers of any local
area dialups that have telnet/ftp/network access type
deals that one can call. These would have to be local
calls from my place (located in Gaithersburg, MD - just
north of Rockville) There are plenty of Universities in the
Maryland and DC area so i'm assuming there must be a way to
get access to them. If anyone knows of any local dialups or can
point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful!..

Thanks in advance
Steve G.

Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: ghiorsi@slab.unt.edu (LAURA GHIORSI)
Subject: internet access
Keywords: corporate
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:46:15 GMT

I just started working in a corporate library and have been assigned the 
task of finding the best and most cost affective way of gaining access to 
the internet without a dedicated line.  Does anybody out there have any 
advice on what vendors are the best or what types of questions I should be 
asking them as I conduct my search.  Thanks.  
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: root@access.digex.com (Express Access System Admin)
Subject: Re: Wanted: BBS List for U.S.
Organization: Express Access, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:17:45 GMT

In article <BvIyKD.9B5@iat.holonet.net> peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton) writes:
>NIXPUB lists 130 or so public-access Unix sites.
>It is revised monthly and posted in the newsgroups comp.misc, comp.bbs.misc
>and alt.bbs (and possibly others) It can also be subscribed to as a
>mailing list and is available for FTP from several sites.

You can get a copy of the NIXPUB mailed to you by sending 
mail to    nixpub@access.digex.com   no text or subject 
required.  Be warned, it is pretty big, but it has some 
very good data in it.

-- 
Doug Humphrey              doug@access.digex.com               +1 301 220 2020
Digital Express Group, 6006 Greenbelt Road #228, Greenbelt, Maryland 20770 USA
Express Access Online Communications for Washington/Baltimore:  info@digex.com
       Login as "new": Washington 301-220-0462, Baltimore 410-766-1855
From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: RE: bbs oriented magazines (& journals)
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:05:51 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: strauss

As a librarian, I come across, and evaluate everything in our field
relating to bbs's and especially internet.
RE: books, see Glossbrenner's 2: _How to look it up online_ and _Complete
handbook to personal computer communications_.  An excellent new title is
_Ecolinking_ by Don Rittner. All 3 are paperbacks.

The journals I've seen are: Computers in Libraries--quite a few connection
columns, and Gord Nickerson is a regular columnist.
REsearch & Education networking is also good, but only 16 pp. Lots of tips on
where to get things.
Database searcher is another--more for professional database searchers--
NOT pc databases, but online databases.
Electronic networking is another; and Academic and LIbrary computing is another
(subtitled "The nesletter for campus-wide information systems).

Most of these are Meckler journals:
Meckler Corp.
11 Ferry Lane West
Westport, CT 06880
203/226-6967
or Meckler@jvnc.net

These are alot less expensive for individuals than for libraries ($39 vs. $79,
as an example).

Bob Strauss
Ramsey Library
UNC-Asheville
strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:06:17 EDT
From: Daniel Weiss <DWEISS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: MAC bbs on Inet
 <1992Sep30.120513.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>

Ok...as for mac bbses I have only found one so far: Grind.isca.uiowa.edu.

Now, I am not sure what you mean by mac bbs (mac run, or stuff about mac, or
mac files...etc.)

But, the above telnet site carries a TON of shareware and other files for mac,
most of it direct from places like apple.com and sumex-aim.

I understand you can also ftp to the above site...but I have not.

Hope this helps....

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: edg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Edward J. Gomez)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Zen and the art of Internet
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:36:45 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Can anyone tell me where I could get a copy of Zen and the art of
Internet. Is it available through ftp? I appreciate any help!
Thanks,
Edward Gomez
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: sjgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Steve Green)
Subject: BBS's in Victoria BC
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:08:23 GMT

Hello,

  Does anyone have any information about internet BBS's located in
Vancouver?  I keep seeing a system called Mind Link, but the only
location they give is "British Columbia".

  Any help greatly appreciated.

Steve
From: bx791@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Michael Gindlesperger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: 216
Date: 5 Oct 1992 23:54:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Ok...now..I need a BBS with full internet access in
area code 216, Ok?
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
From: dan@ORTTA (Daniel C. Cummings)
Subject: Re: Zen and the art of Internet
Organization: U of Mn
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:35:24 GMT

In article <yFH9RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> edg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Edward J. Gomez) writes:

>Can anyone tell me where I could get a copy of Zen and the art of
>Internet. Is it available through ftp? I appreciate any help!
>Thanks,
>Edward Gomez

You can pick it up on: 

Host ftp.uu.net   (137.39.1.9)
Last updated 18:24 29 Sep 1992
    Location: /doc/literary/obi/Internet/zen-1.0
      FILE      rw-r--r--     82726  Feb 19  1992   zen.zip

It is a zipped postscript file, so you'll need to dump it to a PS printer to 
get hardcopy.

By the way, "archie" is and excellent way to find these things....if you 
don't know about archie, check out the FAQ.  But briefly, you just telnet to 
an archie site (like archie.unl.edu) and log in as archie.  From there you 
can get help by typing HELP.  As an example, to find zen.zip, I set my 
search to an exact match (SET SEARCH EXACT) and then told it to look for 
ZEN.ZIP (PROG ZEN.ZIP)  That's it!  There is client software also available 
to run on your local site.


  Regards -

  Dan

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From: asdmf@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Outdial List Wanted...
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:33:10 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

Say, Does anyone have a list of outdials that they would be willing to share?

Thanks

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From: DWEISS@auvm.american.edu (Daniel Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: great...dumb question part II
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:51:58 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Hit the wrong PF key...automatic post.  Sorry.

So, the problem is: what do I have to type to get the Grind bbs to disply more
files?

Have pity, if you know the answer, and e-mail.  I would probably flame a post
like this if someone else wrote it, so e-mail that too if you care to :)

Dan Weiss
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From: pirmann@athos.rutgers.edu (David Pirmann)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet,alt.internet.services,rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Quartz BBS and Quartz Paradise MUCK
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:25:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.internet
Organization: Rutgers University LCSR



Quartz BBS and Quartz Paradise MUCK at quartz.rutgers.edu (128.6.60.6)
are now back online after a month hiatus due to hard drive problems.
We look forward to seeing you online!



Dave Pirmann
SysOp, QuartzBBS etc.
From: rynes@slc3.ins.cwru.edu (Edward M. Rynes - M.E.D./P.o.D.)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Clari News wanted
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:26:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc3.ins.cwru.edu

In a previous article kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider) writes:

>Anyone know of a good Freenet with the Clari news service?  I have
>a Cleveland Freenet subscription, but they're getting increasingly
>difficult to dial in to.  

Before Brad starts pounding on our door, the Clevelnad Free-Net does NOT
provide Clarinet access to Free-Net users.  Clarinet is available to CWRU
accounts but not to Free-Net accounts.  Now if Karen has managed to get
a CWRU account...
-- 
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Information Network Services                I've got to admire your ingenuity
Case Western Reserve University               And I nod my head, oh so wisely
Cleveland, OH  44106-7072                      to the rhythm of your cruelty"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet