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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Skiing in Banff (sp?) Canada
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:55:37 GMT

Hey folks,

My wife and I are thinking about going to Banff for a small vacation
sometime in October.  We have been told of skiing in the area (even
as early as September) but do not have any details.

I'd like to know things such as season, locations, price, overnight
accomidations, etc.   Also, a year or so ago, many ski resorts offered
free lift tickets, gear rentals, etc. for a weekend if you were:
(1)  A first time skiier
(2)  You attended their 2 hour introductory course

I don't know if they are still doing this. Any info?  
As you know by now, I've never been on snow skis.  Any info (good or 
bad) is welcomed.

Thanks,

Daryl Owens
From: eric@homebase.vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson)
Subject: Park City, Utah Skiing Recommedations
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:53:31 GMT

My fiancee and I are planning a ski trip to Park City, Utah in February.
We have heard that the snow is better in Utah than Colorado, but the
partying is less hearty.  ( Now if that's not an invitation for a flame
war, I don't know what is )

Anyway, I'm not looking to be convinced one way or the other, I'll decide
for myself.  I would like to hear about anyones experiences in Park City.
Where to eat, where not to stay, what you think the best slopes are, how
crowded, etc.

Respond by email, unless you think that there are others out there
with an interest.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe...

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From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:12:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Aug14.231503.21822@nas.nasa.gov>, by eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya):
> In article <1992Aug14.142103.977@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
> bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear) writes:
>>Of the hazards you list above the only one
>>I would not have to worry about skiing in Colorado is the bird crashing.
>>I was very impressed with the pilot of the helicopter and I did not worry
>>about it. I would go heli skiing before bungee (sp?) jumping
> 
> All helicopter passengers should be concern about their helicopter.
> You should of course be briefed on how to approach the thing, how
> to deal with a crash, etc.  The Pilot is king.  Helicopters are
> fairly unstable flying machines.  Gusts of wind are no joke, jet blast
> is a problem with some ships, and always stay away from the tail rotor.
> A rotor can hit a tree or a rock submerged by snow.
> Winter mountain flying at altitude is a particular bad time for helicopters.
> This is not like getting on an airliner, a lot of things are out of the
> pilot's control.
> 
Before we ever got on the helicoptor, each group had a meeting at the 
helicopter with the pilot. We were told how to approach the craft (usually
the blades would still be turning), also all the emergency procedures.
I was very impressed with training done pror to us ever going skiing. At the
time it was very flustraing (sp?) all I wanted to do was go. The Guide made
sure that each of us used the avalanches beacons, we did this by him hiding
his in a snow bank and one at a time find it. He always went first and would
never let us bunch up on a steep sloop. He would first ski it then we would
one at a time. If the slope let go then only one person would be on it.

> Ames is the place where the country tests helicopters and V/STOL
> aircraft.  Our machines get forced down all around the Bay and not
> for poor pilots.
> 

Sometimes our pilot would sit down and we would not know that we were on the
ground until the guide got out. We did stop one day for poor visibility and
it was the pilots call. I have flown in a lot of chopters and this guy was
good.

>>I am taking donations for this year's trip please send money to my address
>>below. Any questions feel free to e-mail or call.
>>bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
> 
> Nice try.  I like it.
> 

But I am serious :) you know.

> --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
>   Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Banff
Summary: Huh?!?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:45:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug12.163430.14172@walter.cray.com> sonic@artgate.cray.com 
(Curtis Swanson) writes:
>In article <71131@apple.Apple.COM> chmilar@Apple.COM (Michael Chmilar) writes:

>>5)  Nakiska             (Has problems with ice, high winds, and poor snow
>>                         coverage.  Lots of man-made snow.  Rumoured to be
>>                         very good _if_ you can catch it after a good dump.)

>Well, I got lucky then.  We had 5" of new snow the night before we skiied 
>there.

Huh?!?  Is 5 inches (13 cm) a "good dump?"  If that's all they can manage, I'm
not tempted.  Five inches is a start on a good dump, but it has to keep
snowing!  24 inches (60 cm) is a good dump.  An excellent dump is one big
enough to close the roads after I get there.

Yeah, I know.  I'm selfish.

        John Cooley

I'm getting goofy.  Need to get the Rollerblades out at lunchtime.
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Colour of sunglasses
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:49:15 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) wrote:
>I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:
> 
>What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
>on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
>and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?
> 

Get set for dogmatic answers on this question. Here goes mine....

I like the Bolle Irex glacier glasses that I bought in 1986 the most.
These transmit mostly yellow and are great under most conditions. They
have nylon frames which are nearly indestructible. For years I thought
they *were* indestructible. Unfortunately, I found their load limit during
a faceplant at Alta this year.  (I gotta find that sales clerk! I'm certain
he said they were indestructible....)

So I picked up the current version of the Bolle Irex glacier glasses, but
they aren't as good. The contrast quality is about the same, but they fog more
easily because the coating on the inside of the glasses is either different
from the original or absent.  I'd still recommend these for skiing. I've tried
a couple other glass colors over the years, but always preferred the yellow
Bolle filter function. They are even ok on clouded days until it gets toward 
4 pm (during the winter).

Jeff Hudgens
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Buying First Skis
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:01:09 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

>I would like to get shiny new skis, but would consider used demo skis - 
>what are the advantages/disadvantages to these?
>

Demos bought in the summer can be the best deals to be found. BUT - they
will have demo bindings, something I don't mind, but some might, and you
need to be careful that they have not been bent.

Bryan
From: tanikay@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Boysen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Buying First Skis
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:13:42 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Subject line says most of it.

I've been skiing about three weekends/season for the past two years and 
it's becoming cost-ineffective to continue renting.  I'm a 
low-intermediate skier who prefers the flat blue runs, so I'm not looking 
for "performance" skis, just something to use for the next few years until 
I improve enough to deserve better ones.  I ski at Lake Tahoe, mostly at 
Heavenly or Squaw Valley.  I want to spend, if possible, less than $400 
for skis, bindings, poles and sales tax.  I have my own boots, Salomon 
SX72, the "wimpy" rear-entry boots (Hey, I'm a "wimp" skier for now, 
hoping to improve.  Besides, they fit.)
  
Any recommendations on inexpensive bindings?  

I would like to get shiny new skis, but would consider used demo skis - 
what are the advantages/disadvantages to these?

Thanks in advance for your help - sorry for posting such general 
questions.    

                               Tanya


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From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/7
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:58:19 GMT
Organization: UB


	The subject line says it all.....FAQ 08/7.....what's wrong with this 
picture?!?!  :)  Just kidding, thanks for the FAQ!

				-Jonny B.


-- 
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  ....It's the one with a stuffed up node.
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From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:39:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> Yellow. I have a pair of Vuarnet Ski-V's, and I personally have no use for
> naked-eye viewing any more B-). They increase the contrast of _everything_,
> whether skiing in winter or rollerblading in summer 
> (or just existing for that matter).

I used to swear by Vuarnets too until I borrowed my wife's Sunclouds.
They have a pink tint. I find that the pink gives better contrast than
yellow.

bruno.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:02:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.004706.27182@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com
(Grant Robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.142103.977@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear) writes:
>> This is unlimited vertical helicopter lift (the last week of this ski 
>> season for this).
>That's strange, after the last week of the season, the prices go up!  Must
>cost a million bucks to go in the summer :)

Well!  Unlimited vertical is pretty rare.  You should take this.
If you are in shape, this is clearly the way to go; others
challenging you got get over limits.
Most guides give you something like 100K for a week or 10,000-21,000 for
a day (if one does not do a single run), and you pay for ft extra over
these limits.  And you have to have a full ship.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Bill who?)
Subject: Austria/Switzerland Ski Area Questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: terwill@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:21:00 GMT

Can you tell me what resorts will have the best snow in Austria and
Switzerland on Wednesday, February 10, 1993 at 10:22 pm PST?

Seriously,

My wife and I are planning a little European vacation in early February.
We want to visit Vienna and Geneva and get a weeks worth of skiing inbetween.
We will fly into Vienna and the plans from there are TBD. All of us
Americans have heard of Innsbruck but I have heard the Kitzsbuel (sp?)
is a better area (I consider myself an expert and teach skiing to all
forms of handicapped skiers and my wife is a good intermediate skier.)
I will buy a can of mace for the Italians and French who like to crash the 
queues so I guess what I am interested in is any suggestions or experiences.


Thanks

Bill
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Date: 12 Aug 1992 20:07:27 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <397@mx1>, clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:
|> I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:
|> 
|> What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
|> on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
|> and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?
|> 
|> - Clive    (mcdd1.uucp!clive@uknet.uucp)

I prefer Gray or Amber but opinions vary widely.  Try some of 
your friends - then buy.



Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:34:44 GMT
Organization: ISSC Boulder

But there are *never* any lift accidents, after all....   NOT!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
ski bum, believer in the impossible                                ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: geraghty@uvm.edu (Kevin M Geraghty)
Subject: is free-heel equipment safer for knees than alpine?
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:00:24 GMT

This dreary knee-injury thread prompts a question: statistically
speaking, is free-heel equipment less likely to result in knee
injuries than alpine equipment?

Also, is newer high-performance tele gear (boots with plastic, cable
bindings, etc) more likely to produce injuries than the softer
older-style stuff?  It seems like, the more play in the system the
less likelihood of knee injury.
Also, if that is the case, are free-heal release bindings a good idea
when using stiff high-performance tele gear?

Kevin Geraghty
From: dave@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Monarch ski area
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: dave@voyager.austin.ibm.com
Followup-To: Re: Salida, Colorado--Monarch Ski
Organization: IBM in Austin, TX
Originator: dave@krakatoa.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug15.192651.42371@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> Dear netters,
|> 
|> My parents are getting a cabin in Salida, Colorado.  Monarch Ski Area
|> is right near there (18 miles).  I've never been there.  How is it?
|> I do know that the vertical is not all that hot (1000 feet).  Anyone
|> been there?

Its been 10-15 years since I skied Monarch; at that time it was a small
area (2 lifts) that was frequented on weekends by crowds from Colo. Springs 
and Pueblo. Runs were short, challengiing runs even shorter.  Unless
its been developed more since the late 70's early 80's, I wouldn't expect
to be entertained there musc more than 1.5 days. 

Crested Bute couldn't be more than 2 hours from Salida - probably less.

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From: sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:43:49 CDT


I wear neoprene wraps on both knees for support (my patellar ligaments are
weak but not injured :-) under my ski pants.  They keep the knees warm and 
relaxed (also a bit sweaty) and allow me to ski longer and harded then I 
could without them.
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:36:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162022.1607@advtech.uswest.com>
jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi) writes:
>In article <SSH.92Aug13073254@snow.boulder.ibm.com>
<ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>>You're likely to *love* Steamboat...

>>Steve Hultquist         
>>"No, really, you don't want to ski Colorado..."
>
>no no no no.  Ski Vail.

Okay, we have to get this right, present a united front.  Try to direct
the people to individual resorts.  That way you can have your skiing and
economy, too.

Vail is a fine beautiful resort.  Good.
Great job there Salmi.

IF people HAVE TO GO TO UTAH, let them ski Deer Valley.  Or at worse
Park City.  And make certain they get religious tracts.
Idaho?  Where else?  Sun Valley. CA? (oh just about anywhere).
I am certain the people on the East Coast can suggest some fine EC resorts.

Please, you guys, keep them away from Aspen (although of late it has been
getting rather yuppie).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: jwnagle@LOGLADY.NINDS.NIH.GOV (Jim Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: request big sky/jackson info
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:17:07 GMT


I'm in the process of planning a trip with a group of people with highly
variable ability and we initially planned to go to big sky.
Then i contacted an old roommate about the trip. I had forgotten that he 
lived in bozeman mt for a year or so and his opinion of big sky was that it
was nice but not "top tier" resort. Is there enough variety at Jackson?
Is a day trip to Jackson feasible from Big sky.
How large a place is Big Sky say compared to Telluride or Vail( those are
the two major western resorts to which i've been )
email prefered will post responses if sufficient interest
thanks in advance-jim

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: "Resorts" was Steamboat
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:00:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.070629.16573@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.153724.20188@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov
>(Russ Brown) writes:
>>However, Utah is great . . albeit a bit dry (beverage-wise).
>
>I like this. (Driness)
>I hope Utah reinstitutes Prohibition.  I'm not kidding on this.

Sure.  Let's start a "booze war" to complement the "drug war."  Police
officers killed on the front lines, "fighting" the criminal element
who would no doubt take over.  A lucrative business, that.

Effect on drinking and driving: hard to say, might increase due to an
attitude of "well, I'm already engaged in one illegal behaviour, one more
won't make a difference."  Might decrease due to attitudes of "I've been
drinking, better not increase my chances of getting caught by going out in
public."

Border patrols to combat smuggling, police search (and seizure) of cars
found to be carrying even one can of beer! (you get the idea).

Yes, happy times for all.  Hey, didn't they try this once?

>Good hardy family values people.

Yes, repression always brings out the best in people. :)
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Banff
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:29:16 GMT

In article <Aug13.154529.24712@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley) writes:
>Yeah, I know.  I'm selfish.
>
>        John Cooley
>
>I'm getting goofy.  Need to get the Rollerblades out at lunchtime.

I've seen more than a comment or two on here about Rollerblades, but nothing really
substantive, so, a question:

How many of you out there have Rollerblades(or inlines skates if you really want to be
picky) and how many of you use them for keeping in shape during the offseason?
(Yes, I know...Colorado and BC have no "offseason"[or at least none they're willing to admit to] :) )

Did you shell out the $$$ for the skiing model or just a regular pair?
---Steve
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"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:03:58 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <13AUG199207472272@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> focstea@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CHRISTOPHER STEARNS) writes:
>However, he told me that skiing puts your knees in their 
>strongest position (providing your using proper form) they can be in and 
>the chances of collision are much smaller (this may depend on where you ski 
>B^).

While you can damage your knees with enough hard use (bumps * years), it
is more likely to occur in a fall.  This is "not proper form," but happens
anyway.

In particular, when the knee is bent at 90 degrees it is just about at its
weakest.  A big danger is in backward twisting falls, where the torque
applied to the knee in this position can tear the ligaments.

>Chris
>


-- 
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Bump Run Info. Request/Quest
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:42:50 GMT

In article <0095F2C6.23BFB360@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uchpcjv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:

>P.S.  All you Winter Park/Mary Jane lunatics need not bother Emailing...quite
>likely you're blessed w/ the highest concentration of excellent bumps in the
>entire US (maybe the world)!

Highest concentration, maybe.  Excellent, not really, they are
short and choppy.  Moguls should be round, so they can be skied
gracefully (and fast).

--Chris