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From: jialo@dso031.sch.ge.com (Jia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:07:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Power Generation


Testing Only!!
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:26:33 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


  I think the key issue is whether or not IFCSS represents all 50K Chinese
students.  I donot know how the IFCSS officers got elected, I'm sure there is
a election process, right?  My problem is I was not involved in it, and
neither were my Chinese friends.  If this organization is not elected by all
50k CHinese students, then it is not a legal representation of them.  If it
is, then it does have right to claim it represents them.  The only thing you
can do is to vote against them next time.  This is how a 'majority' democratic
system works(forgot the Greek word for it).
  To be fair, I think IFCSS did a good job of looking after Chinese students. 
However, I prefer it being a independent organization rather than standing for
all Chinese students.  It is very misleading to American public on some issue
like 'CMFN' 'cause they will think the majority of Chinese students are for it
since IFCSS is for it.
  Anyway, if someone could tell me how IFCSS election works, I might like to
cast a vote next time.  
  Bill Clinton should be congragulated, unless you think he is not a
well-intention guy.
From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Does US phone Equipment work in China?
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:58:14 GMT

I am considering to buy a telephone with record function which will be
installed and used in China. I have no idea of whether it's compatible,
or what I should be aware, like voltage? If you can ocntribute your
idea, I'll very appreciate it.
Thank you.
Zhiming
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From: math1pf@jane.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: Interesting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.221052.57945@qut.edu.au>, weig@qut.edu.au writes...
> 
> 
>A friend, after reading some posts on SCC, told me:
>It is realy interesting, you see, their English is better than ours though
>they are from a non-English-speaking country; they are more democratic minded
>though they were brought up in a nation rulled by dictatorship.
> 
>I ... agree, but I can't explain why.
> 

Could we take this as a compliment? Thank you.
How can they write pretty good English? Because they have to. To most Chinese
students,it is almost impossible to come here without finacial aid.But to
get this aid they have to show their talent including their language profi-
cency.There are tens of thousands of young people applying to universities in
the U.S. each year,while only a small fraction of them make it through.
Why they seem to know democracy better? Just because of the fact that "they
were brought up in a nation ruled by dictatorship".No one feel,enjoy and
love more the life of freedom here in U.S. than these Chinses youngsters.
But I must say they may not have as fully understood the true democracy as
it seems t you.Neither can we say that the whole Chinese young generation has
gone through a well education.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:58:53 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Nov6115519@math12.bunny.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:

>Let's imagine that we have 2000+ D-fighters running for public offices in
>2000+ counties. Isn't that a change D-fighters can bring to China, instead of
>talking about changes?  You know, you have beat your opponents at their own
>games.  

Pretty attractive and courageous picture indeed. My prediction is that
among these 2000+, at least 20 will be arrested, 200 more will loss
their jobs (if they have any). The rest will be in deep trouble if they
don't write a self-criticism report.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang)
Subject: Info needed: CUNY
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:07:07 GMT

Hi folks:

I am trying to get into CUNY. Could someone please provide some info about
its undergraduate computer science program? Admission policy?

Also, I need the phone and/or E-mail of computer science department chief,
or someone who is in charge, please.

Any info is highly appreciated!

Thank a million.

-- 
------------
Best Regards

Gang Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fhu01@ms.uky.edu (Fan Hu)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:20:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang) writes:

>General Q:
>Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?

>Sub Q
>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?

Until now, no better way yet.

>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?

Same as (1).

>(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
>    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 

A voter may not need much education to tell which one can give them better life.

>(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
>    three cadidates? 

No idea.

>(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
>    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
>    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
>    accept the result?

They are human being also and have right to determine their own future. Who have ability
and right to decide their future ? Why should city residents be superior than them?
They have been ripped off by CCP for decades. Many of them work for a year and have
not enough to eat. Well, if they don't stand up to fight for their rights. That is
their problem and misery.

Better for china? What do you mean by "China" ? CCP, city residents? or the 9 billion peasants?

>(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
>    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
>    country, .......??

Democracy is not to find a good guy( people' big rescue star). It is to let the bad guy
go. Democracy is not very efficient also.

>(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
>    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
>    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?

No comments.

>(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?

Question too big !

>etc.

>These are just question, not statements.


>Yi Fang
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:10:48 GMT
Organization: UB

/* zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) wrote */:
* I know you could say long live, but I am a 'bad egg' and if you are 'no three
* no four', I'll give you some color see see.

Brian 

From your poor translation, I can see that your English is 
horse horse tiger tiger. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:40:14 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:


>As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.
>The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
>are in the hand of the non-consented few.

>What a misery!

>Shame on you, Chinese!

If you don't have a mirror, here is raining outside.
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:30:35 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <BxBtuq.E46@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>>
>>I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
>>long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
>>a very worthy article.
>>
>>It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
>>seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
>>
>
>After going through the report, a questin arose: how did the author know
>what Lu Gang did and thought at given time and place? Maybe the author
>should clarify this.

I can hardly support this request. I think the major purpose of the report is
to expose the reasons behind the killings. The author certainly has no
way to know EXACTLY what Lu was doing and thinking at a specific time,
but it is justified for the author to project the incident without too
much distortion since the report will be dry and boring if the incident is
not photographed at an interesting angle.

Yongfei Yan
>
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:39:40 GMT

In article <Bx83H6.DyA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.
>The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
>are in the hand of the non-consented few.
>
>What a misery!
>
>Shame on you, Chinese!

I do believe most of the Chinese will like to be able to vote for their
future, but the what you called 'the non-consented few' is not necessary
to be bad. In fact I was about to post a message to compare with CCP's
recent 14th meeting with USA's presidential election. Both countries showed
and chose the same very interesting direction, 'change' and 'young'.
Of cause, the 'change' is called 'reform' in China.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: Why accuse Shen Tong?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:18:20 GMT

          Chinese have become so smart these days and they bore into
          the tip of deer horn to analyze things.

          Among all the D-leaders and motherland lovers, across 3
          years, only one dared to go back to face the system, and
          what happened to him?

          1.  He got arrested by the ccp;
          2.  He was accused of being a bad guy selling friends by
              other D-fighters (not including me).

          Shen Tong, the pig 8 jie4 looking into the mirror.
          Have you ever seen a more humorous logic?  I start to
          believe Lix's logic regarding Chinese culture.

          One proverb describes all:  One monk has plenty of water,
          two monks have some difficulties, if there are three, all
          monks are dry fish.  Down with Mao Zhuxi, the population
          producer.

          Sign!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: A Bad Day
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:37:15 GMT

It a bad day today. I got a call from Downtown Towing in Toronto saying
that my car was towed on August 18th. In fact, I have not been in Toronto
for over half a year now. My case actually may not be uncommon because
I have seen in newspaper that an old lady who had never been in Toronto
got a bunch of traffic tickets from the Ontario Provincial Police.
Well, the only thing I can do is to fight it. Wonder what kind of lowlife
did this to me.

Then all of a sudden a message popped up saying one of my former classmate
got shot in the leg in a parking lot in Louisville. I think I should go home
have some beer and calm down now.

Good luck to all those haven't been shot, beaten, robbed, or raped. Take
care of yourselves!

Fan
From: jwh3@po.CWRU.Edu (Junwei W. Hou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: FWD: Ozone Man's Beauty (Re. China's MFN)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 03:09:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jwh3@po.CWRU.Edu (Junwei W. Hou)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


(Nov. 11, 1992) Ozone Man's Beauty (Re: China's MFN)
*********************************

     Finally, he is there, holding the banner of change,
envisioned, partly, by his Milwaukee speech.

     Standing next to him, the "Ozone Man" -- a rather weird title
crowned by the President, intended to be a "kinder and gentler"
attack.

     But I can hardly find a reason to dislike the guy wearing the
"ozone hat".  I guess it's because I'm a Clinton fan.  And more, I
kind of like that title too, let alone the fact it was a courtesy
of the Republicans.

     An Ozone Man, on the earth, looking up to the blue sky,
wondering the hole over North Pole, thinks both the future and the
present.  Perhaps he would be blamed by those unemployed for
reminding people that a tougher environmental standard should be
set, burdening those employers who might otherwise hire more
unemployed.  Or perhaps he would be praised for his stand for a
value, a value of being part of the harmony of the earth family;
call it a new kind of "family value", if you may.

     It surely will be a hard choice facing an Ozone Man.  A
principle, and a reality, mirror the future and the present.  I bet
it'll take a man of vision to tackle this dilemma of the modern
days.

     An Ozone Man, as I rather perceive, is the one daring to hold
on an uncompromisable value of his pursuit, yet industriously
taking on helping the deserved and the innocents achieve a better
life, for they are the core of a family and his hope for the
harmony. 
 
     That's the beauty of an Ozone Man I admire dearly. 


                              Junwei
     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: A joke (in ping2ying2)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:52:45 GMT

2000 Nian2, Zhai4 Yi1 Ge4 Gie1Shen1Shi3 Li3, Ye1 Ge4 Mei3Li4de Mei3Guo2 Yin1
Er Lai2Dao4 Ren2Gian1. Tu1 Ran Da4 Ku1 Qi3 Lai2: Fan4 Xia4 Wo3, Shong4 Wo3
Hui2 Qiu4. Wo3 Bu4 Xiang3 Huan2 Guo2 Zhai4!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:42:47 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:

 >From: fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang)
 >Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
 >Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:47:27 GMT
 >
 >General Q:
 >Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?
 >

              Some say grape is sour, others say sweet.

 >Sub Q
 >(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?
 >

               Yes always so.
               Does the word "right" or "wrong" make any sense?


 >(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?
 >

               Don't try some optimization staff.
               Sounds a little bit nert.


 >(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
 >    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country?
 >

                Life itself teaches more.
                People choose the candidate they think the best based on
                thier judgements. Don't worry other's judgement.
                Take care of your own carefully.


 >(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the
 >    three cadidates?
 >

                Come on. They vote for thier own biases.


 >(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
 >    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
 >    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
 >    accept the result?
 >

              Discremination?
              Look at which PHD became president?
              Don't expect ordinary people as stupid
              as a PHD.
              Sure you have to.

 >(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
 >    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
 >    country, .......??
 >

               You'd better get a future teller ready.
               Mao: people's eyes are as bright as snow.


 >(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
 >    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa
 >    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?
 >

               Different people sing defferent songs.
               Some say GC, some BC,some money,some blame
               poor education, some ....
               after all myself has more right than the others,
               under the flag of best national interest.
               So need majority, not right or wrong staff bothering.
               Each individual knows his/her best interest
               between him/her and the nation.


 >(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?
 >


               Different people sing defferent songs.
               Keep singing.


 >etc.
 >
 >These are just question, not statements.
 >
 >
 >Yi Fang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Voting Rights
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.124605.22074@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.035712.7089@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>>
>>I think permanent resident who have real-estate investment in Ontario
>>are allowed to vote in the local elections. And they can voice their
>>concern to the local government. Seems more democratic than US, eh?
>
>A lot of people who get green cards in the US never intend to become
>US citizens. They don't have all the duties (like joining the armed forces
>if drafted), and they have not declared their allegiance to the US, so
>why should they choose its leaders? I don't think it has anything to do
>with democracy.
>
>Mark

It seems to me that if you are going to live in a place for your whole
life, you are definitely going to be affected by the policies of the
local government. For instance, you don't want to be taxed more. You also
don't want the local authorities to permit the university to build bachelor
apartments right next to your house. If you have voting rights, you could at
least not vote for the guy who will do these things. Maybe you can do even
more by joining the campaign yourself.

One vote does not mean anything, I have to admit. But if you don't have
the right to vote, that's a fundamental difference in the way that they
treat you as a resident. Democarcy means everyone involved are allowed to
express their opinions. Now how do you define 'involved' if a person who
pay taxes and invest in this country is not 'involved'?

Fan
From: jackie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jackie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Teaching English in the P.R.C.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:27:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Hi,

I have just accepted a teaching position at PengCheng 
University in Xuzhou, Jiangsu.  I will be teaching
for approximately 8 months.

Do you know of this city?  the weather?  transportation?
etc...  Since this will be my first trip to the P.R.C.,
I am very interested to find out any information I can.

I would greatly appreciate any information you can give
me regarding teaching in China or the conditions of 
Jiangsu, specifically in Xuzhou (located in the North).

Also, I plan to fly to Hong Kong, take a train to Canton,
and then another train to Xuzhou.  If you can provide me
with any information regarding this trip, or your own
traveling experiences, I would be most greatful.

			Thanks,

			jackie@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  History of Famous Generals
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:30:31 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1dsbrsINNk1q@silver.ksu.ksu.edu< wwxiong@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong) writes:
<
<It is ture that Li Mu was and is a great general. He stopped XiongNu's 40,000 
<men's invadsion. And when he was alive the XionNu deared not venture into China.

Good, we agree with each other on this.

<But I don't understand the reason someone think Li Guang was not a good general.

Someone is Zai Xia, so far on SCC:-)

<Like Li Mu, as long as Li Guang was in Han's broader, the XiongNu deared not come 
<out and attack Han. In fack Li Guang was so tough that the XiongNu called him
<" Han's flying general ". Li Guang's archer ability on the horseback is placed #1
<in Chinese histry. Hua1 Rong2 (from Shui3 Hu3) was nikenamed "little Li Guang".

Yes, his personality, along with his archer ability is no problem. but he is not
a good general, unfortunately. My friend Lao SiMa praised him quite a lot, there
was some other psychological reasons.
<
<There is part of the poem that describes how bad China need general like Li Guang.
<     
<             Dan4 Shi3 Lu2 Cheng2 Fei1 Jiang4 Zhai4,
<             
<             Bu2 Jiao4 Hu2 Ma3 Du4 Yin1 Shan1.
<

Well, I can cite more: Lin An Cao Jin Feng, JiangJun Yie Yin Gong,....

They don't count, you have to tell us what battle he won to prove he a great
general. "Juen Bu Jian Sa Chang Zheng Zhan Ku, Zhi Jin You Yi Genl. Li", he
is a nice officer, but one of worst general -- because he was too kind to
soldiers, he allowed them to sleep without appropriate guards and scouts.
So he never knew where were enemies before being taken by surprise:-(

<But I also want to point out, Li Guang has never won a battle.

Almost, I suppose.

<Reason: He was always out numbered by the XiongNu, not just 2 or 3 times
<outnumbered, but at least 5 times or more. But Li Guang always managed to lead
<his men to break through XiongNu's ring, and let XiongNu suffer heavy loses.

Because himself always missed the way:-(

Well, I used to defend every Li, before Li Xiaolin to Li Guang, who was a very
nice person, but he is by no mean a great general in Chinese history. :-)
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: a joke
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:02:21 GMT

A software company's president asked the R&D director on what kind of
equipment the company shoud buy. "A CPU, a monitor, a disk drive, and.."
the director answered. "Do not forget a Chinese to program them!" He added.