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From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: Measure 9 in Oregon
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:07:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.173515.19852@SSD.intel.com> chrisbro@ssd.intel.com (Chris Browne) writes:
>	Does anyone have a copy of measure 9 that I could read?  I would like to 
>know what the wording is.
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                PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT

Be It Enacted by the People of the State Of Oregon:
    Paragraph 1. The constitution of the State of Oregon is amended
by creating a new section to be added to and made a part of
Article 1 and to read:
    Section 41 (1) This state shall not recognize any
categorical provision such as "sexual orientation,""sexual
preference," and similiar phrases that includes homosexuality,
pedophilia, sadism or masochism.  Quotas, minority status,
affirmative action, or any similar concepts, shall not apply
to these forms of conduct, nor shall government promote these
behaviors.
    (2) State, regional and local government and their
properties and monies shall not be used to promote, encourage,
or facilitate homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism or macochism.
    (3) State, regional and local governments and their
departments, agencies and other entities, including
specifically the State Department of Higher Education and the
public schools, shall assist in setting a standard for
Oregon's youth that recognizes homosexuality, pedophilia,
sadism and masochism as abnormal, wrong, unnatural, and
perverse and that these behaviors are to be discouraged and
avoided.
    (4) It shall be considered that it is the intent of the
people in enacting this section that if any part thereof is
held unconstitutional, the remaining parts shall be held in
force.

SUMMARY: Amends Oregon Constitution. All governments in Oregon
may not use their monies or properties to promote, encourage
or facilitate homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism or masochism.
All levels of government, including public education systems,
must assist in setting a standard for Oregon's youth which
recognizes that these "behaviors" are "abnormal, wrong,
unnatural and perverse" and that they are to be discouraged
and avoided. State may not recognize this conduct under
"sexual orientation" or "sexual preference" labels, or through
"quotas, minority status, affirmative action, or similar
concepts."

-- 
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Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
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From: dougc@htbawd.rain.com (Doug Carter)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:58:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: neon.BvJ1qB.5nM
Organization: Merwin Software Services, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.095307.24420@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:

	[stuff deleted]
>>
>>Springfield is representative of the majority?!?!?
>>
>>Get real!
>>
>>Doug.
>
>
>Yep, several political scientist from U of O and U of P have said that
>Springfield parallels the Oregon outside the Portland and Eugene metro areas.

And you'd call the populace outside of Portland and Eugene a majority?

Maybe they represent the *majority* of land... :-)

Doug
From: downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:14:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep29.181458.25833
Organization: spherical domain of death and darkness

In article <1992Sep29.013110.28121@reed.edu>,
	nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Voting for Measure 9 would prevent me from
>deciding how to live my life. (well, not exactly. I will continue to
>be gay no matter which way Measure 9 goes. I very well might be gay in
>a state other than Oregon, though.)

it's interesting to note that i will most likely also leave this state, due
in part to the political atmosphere. and i'm certainly not gay.

the problem, it seems, is that there are only two, _extreme_, sides- the
OCA, and the gay activists (sorry, i don't know if they have an organization
or not). _both_ sides have an extreme viewpoint, and it's all quite
ridiculous.

>>it's not up to homosexuals to promote their way of life
>
>Is there a meaningful definition of "promote" here? What sort of
>promotion are you talking about, exactly?

i said, in my post, "it's not up to homosexuals to promote their way
of life anymore than than it's up to the OCA..", or something more along
those lines. i don't feel like finding the article.

i was speaking of the kind of promotion that the OCA doesn't like.
i remember back to my high school sex ed class ("Health", it was called).
a homosexual life style was no more supported, or even brought up, any
more than a straight one. like i said, it's up to the individual to
decide, not the majority _in any way_.

all in all, the political atmosphere in this state stinks. more than
likely, Measure 9 will pass. they passed Measure 5. i wanna be out of
this state before the bullets start flying, as that's where the people
in this state seem to be pushing things.

fuckwits.

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From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:03:29 GMT

snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>Yep, several political scientist from U of O and U of P have said that
>Springfield parallels the Oregon outside the Portland and Eugene metro areas.

I'm no political scientist, but I spent Junior High through 3 years of
college in LaGrande.  My experience agrees completely with those political
scientists.
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From: drazil@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Devin Ben-Hur)
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Organization: Are you kidding?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:46:36 GMT

In article <BvJ1qB.5nM@neon.rain.com> dougc@htbawd.rain.com (Doug Carter) writes:
>And you'd call the populace outside of Portland and Eugene a majority?
>
>Maybe they represent the *majority* of land... :-)

Sorry, Dougie, but you need some facts.  The population of OR is about
three million.  Portland accounts for about 1/2 million, Eugene is what,
about 100-200K?  The rest of OR is the majority, and you better start
getting damn worried about the prospects of Abomination 9 being passed
this November.
-- 
Devin Ben-Hur        [drazil@qiclab.scn.rain.com]
"Your civilization makes us laugh..."
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: Statement By The Ecumenical Ministries Of Oregon
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:06:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43333
Distribution: or
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Sep29.025737.20224@scic.intel.com> sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley) writes:
> [nice article, Seth!]

I will mention that all of the arguments for and against Measure 9 are
available on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in the pub/qrd/QRD/info directory.
The file is called OR:9.voters.pamphlet.  If you want a copy and can't
get it from there, send me email and I will send you a copy.  It is
about 127K of text.

--mark
--
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markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: Measure 9 Woes
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:33:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: intelhf.1992Oct6.183336.11447
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR

nuffy@intelhf.hf.intel.com (John Hagler) writes:


>I am a devout Christian. I do not espouse homosexuality. I also do not
>espouse hatred. I also oppose measure 9.

	Excellent. I am "straight" and I oppose 9.

>While I oppose it in general I do agree with a couple of points. One is I dont believe that homosexuals should be allowed minority status.

	Why not? Blacks do, Jews do, women do.


>Second, I dont think that homosexuality should be taught in the schools as
>a correct alternitive. That is a personal morals issue. I dont want my kids 
>taught that its ok to become homosexual. If they make that choice then I will
>still love them but I dont want preconcieved notions put in their heads

	You do not "choose" to be homosexual. This is what people need to
	learn! You are BORN homosexual - nothing you can do about it! For
	some, at this time unknown reason, homosexuals are sexually attracted
	to their own sex. Plain and simple. Nobody is going to teach that
	choosing a homosexual lifestyle is "OK" because you don't "choose"
	it anyway. We must start realizing that ~10% of the population is
From: mickel@OES.ORST.EDU (Paul M. Mickel)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:28:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvFB0D.2AE
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.

>My prediction for Measure 9 is that it will receive a *minimum* of 35%
>of the vote.  I suspect that it will be more in the 40-45%.  As a
>reference point you can use the last OCA measures which got 55% of the
>vote in Springfield and 30%(?)  of the vote in Corvallis.  As far as
>Oregon voters go, Corvallis is representative of the minority and
>Springfield is representative of the majority.  I'm still not confident
>that Measure 9 will go down...

While personally I agree with Measure 9, I do not advocate putting it into 
the state constitution. I see this as another example of "non-issues" getting
in the way of dealing with issues that need to be dealt with.......

>
>-- Dave Serisky

-pmm


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From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:55:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10449
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <TROST.92Sep28002158@romulus.reed.edu> trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost) writes:
>
>[I hope I haven't been incoherent with this posting -- this measure 9
>nonsense tends to throw me into a wild rage.  I don't want to see my
>friends threatened (intellectually or physically) because some bozos
>want to inflict their "morals" on everyone.  Now I have to figure out
>how to calm down so I can go to sleep...]

  Take a look at the Political cartoon featuring the ever benevolent
  Lon Mabon (by Ohman) in Sunday's Oregonian.  Good for a belly
  laugh at any rate.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

"If I have to resurrect you, I'll resurrect you, whether you like it
or not!"
	 Paul to Jesus, _The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:53:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct2.095307.24420
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <BvH9qy.GIL@neon.rain.com> dougc@htbawd.rain.com (Doug Carter) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.160843.16081@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> daves@cv.hp.com (Dave Serisky) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.170034.5375@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Sep24.151847.13191@intelhf.hf.intel.com> labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle) hypothesizes:
>>|> >Take it easy! Mellow out - the vast majority are on your side.
>>|> 
>>|> unfortunately, it is not at all clear. The major piece of evidence we
>>|> have for "sides" in this issue was the vote in 1988 on Measure 8. We
>>|> lost that one, about 55-45. I haven't seen a good poll for this year's
>>|> vote, but the few minor things I've heard indicate it's fairly even.
>>|> 
>>|> Measure 9 says a lot more than Measure 8 was, and one would hope that
>>|> people would be less interested in voting for it simply because it is
>>|> so extremist. But the OCA is better organized, they have more money,
>>|> they have more support from outside the state, and they control the
>>|> debate. They are powerful enemies.
>>
>>My prediction for Measure 9 is that it will receive a *minimum* of 35%
>>of the vote.  I suspect that it will be more in the 40-45%.  As a
>>reference point you can use the last OCA measures which got 55% of the
>>vote in Springfield and 30%(?)  of the vote in Corvallis.  As far as
>>Oregon voters go, Corvallis is representative of the minority and
>>Springfield is representative of the majority.  I'm still not confident
>>that Measure 9 will go down...
>
>Springfield is representative of the majority?!?!?
>
>Get real!
>
>Doug.


Yep, several political scientist from U of O and U of P have said that
Springfield parallels the Oregon outside the Portland and Eugene metro areas.
From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Attn: Measure 9 Supporters!
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:20:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3683
Distribution: or
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

I realize this isn't or.forsale, but I might as well take advantage of
a chance to get rid of an original WWII Nazi flag. Red backgound with black
Swastika surrounded by a wreath of laural leaves.

My uncle brought it back from the fall of Berlin. Perfect shape. In
storage for over 40 years. Only $50.
And I'll deliver it anywhere in the Willamette Valley.



Mike
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:03:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43332
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Sep29.013110.28121@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> [a very good article which I won't quote here but you should go back and
> read it if you haven't already.]

It is especially important to note that Measure 9 isn't about "special
rights".  What Measure 9 is about is one groups of people (the OCA)
telling everyone in Oregon how to think and feel.  If you doubt this,
then you doubt the power of indictination in the school system and the
power of group think within the media.  I wish that someone would tell
me what these special rights are, as opposed to alluding to some
unspecified wish list.

With this measure, the OCA will dictate what you can hear or read in
school and in any place which received any, that's right ANY, public
money from the state (much federal money requires state matching funds,
so this applies almost universally to federal money as well).  Actually,
it doesn't even require money.  If you have a work which you display
on public, state property, then the state can be said to be supporting
you by giving you an audience.  It also specifies what certain
groups of people are allowed to say about homosexuals.  But I digress...

If a large percentage of the voting age people in Oregon (as opposed
to a simple majority of the people who actually go and vote) let it
be known that they don't want homosexuals in Oregon, I am sure that
we will be willing to give serious thought to leaving the state.
Read the accounts from Springfield voters.  They readily admit that
many of them were voting based on one word: 'pedophilia'.  Given that
most cases of pedophilia involve declared heterosexuals (and that
even the Foursquare Church has them) it doesn't make sense to try
to link homosexuals to pedophiliacs.  In fact, homosexuals are
under-represented as pedophiliacs.  As 10% of the population is homosexual
and something just under 8% of pedophiliacs are homosexual, one could
easily use an OCA-style argument and say that this is really a
problem for the straight community.  After all, 92% (very big number,
especially compared to 8%) of the pedophiliacs are self-identified
as heterosexual.

However, the OCA wants control, not facts or even a level playing field.
If Measure 9 passes it will be interesting to see what they do next.
That is besides try to do the same in neighboring states.  Be prepared
for another abortion measure on the next ballot.

Lon Mabon, from nursing home operator to northwest political kingpin.
At least he wasn't a corporal.

--mark
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From: downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:37:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep28.163745.16555
Organization: spherical domain of death and darkness

In article <TROST.92Sep28002158@romulus.reed.edu>,
	trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost) writes:
>What ideals are those?
>  * That the government can decide who is "natural" and who is not,
>    and then dictate that those individuals get treated as
>    second-class citizens?  Why should the dairy farmer, or the
>    computer science student, be given the power to determine what
>    behavior is "normal"?

it's not up to *any* group of people to decide that a way of life is
better than another.. it's not up to homosexuals to promote their way
of life any more than it's up to the OCA to promote theirs.. and that
is one of the things that is in the OCA's agenda.

each one of us decides how to live our lives, regardless of what the
majority may think... most people laugh when they see me, but that doesn't
bother me, as i've choosen a way of life that is a smaller minority than
homosexuals.

>  * That high school students should be "protected" from ideas that
>    some people find horribly distasteful?  Why is homosexuality a
>    "dangerous" idea that must be suppressed, instead of countered
>    with rational argument?

since most high school students are under 18 years of age, their parents
still have some say in their lives. and you most realize that most
people that have children are heterosexual. 

>   "watching this entire saga unfold is pointing out to me exactly
>   what's wrong with this country, and state, and how close it all is
>   to falling apart."
>
>You mean, like all these little groups with big egos who think they
>should be the ones to determine what everyone is allowed to read, and
>who's a real person?  Yeah, that'll drive the nation into a shambles
>*real* quick.

just as well this pathetic, sometimes violent, attitude on the part of gay 
activists. 

>...and, from the sounds of things, conservatism is the path to
>medieval feudalism, complete with Inquisitions.

sorry, too much liberalism in the world for that. it's all a matter of
balance.. something that neither the OCA nor the gay activists have.

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From: matta@lclark.edu (Matt Alexander)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct6.171131.14589
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Sep29.181458.25833@leela.cs.orst.edu> downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) writes:

>i said, in my post, "it's not up to homosexuals to promote their way
>of life anymore than than it's up to the OCA..", or something more along
>those lines. i don't feel like finding the article.

You know, the funny thing about all this "promotion" nonsense is that while
no one has ever tried to convince me that I should be gay, many people have
told me that I ought to be a Christian.

-- Matt Alexander --------------------------------------------
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From: warton@ssd.intel.com (Peter Warton)
Subject: For sale: '75 Porsche 911s
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:58:35 GMT




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Newsgroups: cor.forsale,or.forsale
Subject: 1981 Audi 4000 5+5 for sale
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:01:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvD9II.5Mp
Distribution: or
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

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Subject: Saab 900 Turbo for sale
Summary: Saab for sale
Keywords: Saab
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:33:06 GMT

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