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From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Newsgroups: boulder.general
Subject: Re: What happened to all the referenda... R
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:26:02 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: co
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

In article <GRUNWALD.92Nov9212156@mumble.cs.colorado.edu>
grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu writes:
>>As it is, there has allegedly been an increase in gay-bashing since 2
>>passed; people view this as a sanction to condem behavior their deem
>>abhorent.

In article <1992Nov10.213713.20378@colorado.edu> juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola) writes: 
>Um, can I get a reference on this?  It seems like seven days is awfully
>fast to get any sort of reliable statistics...

I saw a story on about page 5 or so of Monday's Rocky Mountain News
talking about how there has been a huge increase in the amount of hate
crime being committed against gays.  Most of the incidents took place
outside local bars.

Warner


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Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.politics
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2
Followup-To: co.politics
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:04:00 GMT

[followups to co.politics]

rg> Robert Glenn

rg> You straights take for granted all the ways you express heterosexuality,
    and now that #2 passed, I'd call that a "special right".  It doesn't take
    much, i.e.  "That guy who calls here once in a while during lunch, he's not
    your BOYFRIEND, is he?  You're not one of those FAGS, are you?  We don't
    want FAGS working here..."  Or...  "Joe saw you coming out of xxx last
    night.  We know only FAGS go there, and so we're wondering about you.  If
    it's true, you're FIRED!"

  Why would you want to work at such a place? There are other jobs, and unless
  you're a masochist, working at a place where the only thing keeping you from
  being fired is an ordinance like the kind Boulder, Denver, and Aspen have
  is pretty dumb. And, how many employers can really afford firing all their
  gay employees willy-nilly, since they "can" now?

  Also, what exactly was the point of those three ordinances? Do you honestly
  think an employer would say straight out "We don't want fags, you're fired"?
  Isn't there a much easier (and less-litigous) way to fire someone? 

--
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Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: What happened to all the referenda... RESULTS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:23:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.170919@eklektix.com> rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) writes:
>>As a general rule, Boulder and Denver Counties vote along Democratic
>>Party lines and the rest of the state doesn't. Since the rest of
>>the State doesn't consistantly follow any particular party line, I'm
>>inclined to believe most voters in Boulder and Denver aren't thinking
>>things through as much or as often.

>It's been a long time since I've seen such a specious argument.
>"These folks are consistent; therefore they don't think as much"???

Neither the Democratic party platform, nor its candidates are consistant.
(for that matter, neither is the Republican party.) Consider, for example,
their support of _both_ a woman's access to abortions _and_ a national
health care system; despite the fact that such a health case system 
would allow federal bans on abortion regardless of Roe v. Wade.

There are two ways to explain a party-line vote: They, by coincidince,
agree with the party on all issues or they aren't thinking through all
the issues and are just voting the way some "authority" (the party)
told them to. I personally find it hard to beleve that coincidince
could explain so many votes.

>I'm not convinced that the premise even holds up...although I suppose that
>if you put the entire remainder of the state in one pot (that's Aspen with
>Limon, Trinidad with Ft Collins) you can probably make it inconsistent.

That isn't really necessary: The rest of the state (even excluding Aspen, etc..)
voted (for example) for Campbell (a democratic vote) and against Amendment 6
(a conservative vote), etc...

                                                     Frank Crary
                                                     CU Boulder


Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: jdl@clinicom.com (J.D. Laub)
Subject: ROOMMATE NEEDED
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:58:01 GMT
Distribution: boulder
Organization: CliniCom Incorporated, Boulder, CO

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Clinicom              Boulder, Colorado
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Newsgroups: boulder.general
Subject: Re: Amendment 2
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:06:54 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

In article <dickerso.721497780@fester> dickerso@cpat.stortek.com writes:
>While folks in Boulder may find this hard to believe, most americans do not
>believe that either of these are acceptable.  Groups like the group in 
>California (MAMBDA I think is their name) who want to promote man-boy 
>(pedifilia) relationships really scare the hell out of the majority of the
>american populace (I for one find this repulsive).

NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) has very little to do
with gays and lesbians.  Fundies always try to tie gays to child abuse
and molestation.  Kinda like Jews poisoning the water supplies in
Russia. Studies have shown that over 90% of all child sexual
abuse is done by a heterosexual famlily member or friend.  There was
an article in the Denver Post about it a few months ago.

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Newsgroups: co.ads,boulder.general,comp.forsale,misc.forsale
From: thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day)
Subject: Ami Pro for sale
Summary: Ami Pro for sale ($30)
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:22:24 GMT

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top rated by just about everybody, but I use Word.  I won the package at a 
Windows seminar and haven't even opened the package.  I'm too lazy to lean 
another wordprocessor (still recovering from 10 years of Wordstar).  The 
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(3.0) from Lotus, if you feel the need.  Or offer me some kind of trade.

Please reply to my Net address (thomasd@tps.COM).

Tom Day
Newsgroups: boulder.general,cu.general,cu-den.general,csu.general
From: vanhande@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (VAN HANDEL  DAVID JOHN)
Subject: FOR SALE: used washer & dryer ($50)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:31:22 GMT


FOR SALE: used washer & dryer

I just got a new set, and will sell the old set for $50.
They both work fine, but are old.  Color is white.
Location is Broomfield.

Call Dave if interested.  Days: 786-9100 x307  Night: 465-4692

Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general,cu.cs.grads,cu.general,co.adds
From: marra@neer.Colorado.EDU (Carol Marra)
Subject: dogsitting
Originator: marra@neer
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:07:37 GMT


Do you know a responsible person who'd like
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perhaps a college student or teenager?

I live in Broomfield and have two dogs and am 
looking for someone to house/dog sit over the Thanksgiving
holiday.  If you know of anyone interested, please 
call me at 538-4899 (wk), or 465-0983 (hm).
 

Thanks in advance - Rose Marra
From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Newsgroups: boulder.general
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 (was: What happened to all the refe)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:39:51 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: co
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

In article <1992Nov5.170930.9420@ncar.ucar.edu>
chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes: 
>So, *in theory* the passage of this
>amendment, the way I understand it to read, should have no effect.

Your theory is wrong.

It repeals laws in Boulder, Aspen and Denver protecting people from
being unfairly being dismissed from work, evicted from their homes,
etc simply on the basis of being gay.  Anyone can now be fired because
their employer thinks that they are gay, and that person would have no
recourse under the new law.  The cute little phrase "and claim of
discrimination" that is at the end of the full amendment covers this
case.

It is a dark day for colorado.  A very dark day.  It is truly sad that
so many people bought the lies of CFV.

Warner

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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: developments
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:08:35 GMT

raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz) writes:
>max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray) writes:
>>
>>Damn! I wanna hear the details. I guess we will just have to wait for
>>the November 14th meeting to hear the plan. Expect official meeting
>>announcement in a day or two.
>>
>
>I meant to ask this on the last message I read, but ...
>
>What is the address of the main library branch?
>

800 Guadalupe.

cb
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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka)
Subject: Re: Getting Stuff Done
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: austin
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:55:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct31.141704.13011@wixer.cactus.org> george@wixer.cactus.org (George Wenzel) writes:
>
>There is one member of the opposition that is upset because he was not
>included in the Freenet mailing list.
This person recognizes himself.

>He was not refused from the list, rather he was reminded the list was for
>people wanting to work on the project.
I was most certianly refused access... unless I had something to contribute
to YOUR effort.  I asked to join the list so I could keep abreast of
events.  You said it was closed, unless I had something to contribute.
This is an exclusionary bias.  Your mailing list is "open" to people who
meet your criteria, which "oddly" enough does not exclude yourself.

>When asked what he would like to do, he had nothing to say... in
>effect he declined to be on the list.
In effect I inclined to lurk on your mailing list as planned.  I went
around your fences, and got people who are on the list to echo it to me, so
I am in fact monitering your mailing list to my hearts content anyways :-D.
There was no need to say something.  For all intent and practical purposes,
I AM ON YOUR MAILING LIST. Duh.

>Then he went around telling people that we were having secret meetings...  
I was only repeating what you had told me yourself.  Double Duh.
-- 
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membership@cactus.org                                 Austin, TX 78705-1331
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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz)
Subject: Re: developments
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 19:43:54 GMT

In article <5ZmoTB5w165w@underg.ucf.org> max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray) writes:
>
>Damn! I wanna hear the details. I guess we will just have to wait for
>the November 14th meeting to hear the plan. Expect official meeting
>announcement in a day or two.
>

I meant to ask this on the last message I read, but ...

What is the address of the main library branch?

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raistlin@wixer.cactus.org  \ -- Ex-VP Dan Quayle to the Christian Coalition |
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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Subject: Re: Meeting
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting, Austin
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:15:09 GMT

In article <oZPJTB1w165w@underg.ucf.org> max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray) writes:
...
>I was in contact with the EFF.

Well, with EFF-Austin, actually.

> JSQ even agreed to be one of the speakers at our meeting
> (although admitedly for the later 7:30pm time). It was my
>impression from correspondance with JSQ that the EFF meeting was going to
>be after the 14th, and I agreed to give a report of what was happening
>at the EFF meeting. 

That was my understanding at the time.  However, we delegate meeting
organization to specific people for each meeting, and the organizers
for this one had difficulty finding a date that wasn't (a) before our
board meeting (today) or (b) too close to Thanksgiving, when many people
would be gone or busy.  I thought they knew about your proposed date,
but they didn't, and I was already in San Francisco and not following
what was going on closely.

In any case, as you know, the two meetings have been coalesced,
and will be held on 14 November at the main library, 800 Guadalupe,
2-5PM.  The last hour will be dedicated to discussions of network access.

The point of this posting is to assure everybody that the confusion
was exactly that: confusion.  It's straightened out now.  Do come.

Also, let me quote this passage from the draft minutes of the most
recent (October) EFF-Austin board of directors meeting:

	Public Net Access: EFF-Austin is in favor of net access for
	anyone who wants it. It has come to the attention of the Board
	that several groups are working on access projects. The Board
	would welcome written proposals from any such groups seeking
	EFF-Austin participation.

Thanks,
John
From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: EFF/Public Internet Meeting
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 08:51:44 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

          -------------------------------------------------
          |             EFF-Austin Announces              |
          |                                               |
          |         A General Membership Meeting          |
          |                                               |
          |            Saturday, November 14th            |
          |                2:00 - 5:00 p.m.               |
          |            Meeting Room, 4th Floor            |
          |       Austin Public Library, Main Branch      |
          |                 800 Guadalupe                 |
          |                                               |
          -------------------------------------------------
 
EFF-Austin, the local chapter of the Electronic Frontier 
Foundation, will be holding a general membership meeting on 
Saturday the 14th of November from 2 to 5 p.m. at the Austin Public 
Library (Main Branch) 800 Guadalupe.  This meeting will provide a 
chance for EFF-Austin members and anyone else to get updates from 
the officers, hear about what EFF-Austin has planned, and find out 
what they can do to get involved. More importantly, it will allow 
members and others to ask questions, make suggestions and voice any 
ideas in an interactive, real-time discussion about our growing 
organization. 
 
The meeting is open to the public. Everyone who is interested in 
EFF-Austin is welcome and encouraged to attend. For more info about 
EFF-Austin or the meeting, contact Ed Cavazos (email polekat@tic.com / 
voice 385-2789) or Jon Lebkowsky (email jonl@tic.com)
 
At 4:00, the meeting will be turned over to representatives of various 
groups who are currently planning and discussing public-access internet 
services for the Austin Community.  EFF-Austin has been watching with 
interest as various plans have developed, and is excited to be 
able to provide a forum for the discussion and presentation of them.  
This part of the meeting promises to be lively and informative. For more 
information about the public-access internet portion of the meeting, 
contact Max Cray (email max@underg.ucf.org / voice 339-2724. Ask for 
Chris).                                            
 
See you on the 14th!

                                          -= Max =-

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From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: developments
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:07:39 GMT
Distribution: us

In article <1992Nov2.223159.5463@wixer.cactus.org> george@wixer.cactus.org  
(George Wenzel) writes:

> I had planned to propose a low-cost IP access site for Austin that was
> financed by its users.  I have a good amount of resources to donate to  
such
> a project, including a fair amount of needed cash.

Since you never told me what you had planned, all I heard was a $15/year  
project, I can't judge anything.  Secondly, this is not the only  
perspective that we are approaching.
 
> However I have found that the plan that Chris Petrilli told me about is
> quite interesting.  He informed me that they don't need any equipment or
> money from me...  Gosh!  Sounds great to me!!  Sign me up!

I never said anything of the sort.  I said that we'd talked to several  
people about equipment, etc.

> Anyway, it is likely to be a good meeting to see what these guys have
> planned.  

Only if those attending are actually listening.

Chris
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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: blivion@Taronga.COM
Subject: Rumours about hoho & other con busts
Originator: jsq@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:26:09 GMT

 These bust rumors are flying aabout all over the net. I ran
into it last night on irc #hack. I'm not impressed by anything
I've heard. I have been acting informally as legal adviser to
the hohocon organizers for over a year and the worst thing I've
been asked to handle is a broken mirror charge demand in an
attendee's room.(they were not charged). 
	The root of these rumors is ignorance and paranoia, ap-
parently. Some paranoia is justified, but hasslers seem to act
out of ignorance more than posing an actual legal threat. It makes
me recall the first time a nonputering friend saw me using my modem.
"Isn't that illegal?" I was asked. I have also this year defended a
college student who was attempted to be expelled from college
for *trying* to ftp to a site unsuccessfully.
	Take note, all paranoiacs: anyone disrupting our conferences,
with or without the aid of badges, had damn sure better have their papers in 
order. Most of the actions against our community involve mere harassment
without any legal basis. I'm sure the 2600"bust" amounted to no more than this.
.....
  In short, no one who refrains from vandalizing the Coke machine has
anything to fear from attending hohocon. Pay you hotel bill and I can
pretty much assure you no "hacker busts" will occur. You do take a risk
by appearing in public, but this is intelligence gathering, not exposure to
criminal charges. I will be present and available for intervention/
consultation in the event of any untoward presences by badge bearers.
I will not guarantee to represent in all situations, but our community
is by no means helpless against harrassment.
	Steve Ryan
	EFF Cooperating Attorney
	blivion@nuchat.sccsi.com
	blivion@taronga.com

Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Rumours...
Originator: jsq@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.003214.19535@tic.com> bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg) writes:

>I suspect that this is just too fanciful a tale to be true.  The Secret Service
>turning over a bust to a bunch of rent-a-cops in a mall?  Leave the shredding
>of the Bill of Rights to the professionals, I say.

Incredible as it seems, this story at this point seems to be true. Brock
Meeks, of Communications Daily, played for me the tape of the mall cops'
boss, who says the Secret Service "ramrodded this thing."

--Mike

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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: Giglione@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Steven Levy
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:50:00 GMT

Europa Books sez that Steven Levy will be speaking at the School of
Architecture at 7:30 pm, Thursday, Nov. 12 in Goldsmith 3.120 (UT campus).
It might be a good idea to call Europa Thursday to double check.  Apparently
there will be an announcement in the Thursday edition of the Daily Texan as
well.

Mark Giglione
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: Bruce Sterling <bruces@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Steven Levy in Austin
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:09:11 GMT

Steven Levy, author of Hackers and the new (and excellent) ARTIFICIAL LIFE,
will be signing at Europa Books on the Drag on Nove 12 (thursday)
at 7:30 PM.  Please help me get the word out among interested parties,
which in my opinion should include just about everybody with a brain.
Newsgroups: austin.eff