From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: REPOST: 3rd CFV fj.life.in-japan [English+Japanese]
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:58:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

This is a repost of the article I've post on 9/1/82.
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Hi, ...
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NOTE!  THIS IS NOT A VOTE YET!
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  August is over, and many people suggest proceeding to vote
(finally), so here I'd like to declare 3rd CFV for
fj.life.in-japan.  Firstly, let me state my position here.
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$B$F2<$5$C$F$$$k$h$&$J$N$G!"$3$3$K(Jfj.life.in-japan$B$N(J3$B2sL\$N(JCFV$B$r$5(J
$B$;$FD:$-$^$9!#$NA0$K!";d$NN)>l$K$D$$$F=R$Y$5$;$F2<$5$$!#(J

  This time, I've exchanged the charter accoring to the recent
discussion in fj.news.group, and also dropped the "suggested
goals" section.
  $B:#2s$O:G6a$N(Jfj.news.group$B$G$N5DO@$r$b$H$K7{>O$rF~$lBX$(!"$^$?(J
$B!VL\I8!W$K$D$$$F$O:o=|$$$?$7$^$7$?!#(J

  Note that discussion about the character codes are not reached
to its consensus, but I suggest continuing the discussion as the
problem of whole fj.* groups, while starting this group using
those characters already proven to be effective (i.e. ASCII and
JIS-Kanji), adding other characters when the consensus is met.
This problem is (hopefully) independent of the languages used in
this group --- we can express many languages using ASCII and
JIS-Kanji, though using native character sets will be far more
convenient, I admit.
  $B$J$*!"J8;z%3!<%I$K$D$$$F$N5DO@$O$^$@=*7k$7$F$J$$$h$&$G$9$,!"$=(J
$B$N5DO@$O(Jfj$BA4BN$K$D$$$F$NO@5D$H$7$F7QB3$7!"$3$N%0%k!<%W$O$H$j$"$((J
$B$:M-8z$HJ,$+$C$F$$$k%3!<%I(J(ASCII$B$H(JJIS$B4A;z$G$9$M(J)$B$rA0Ds$K3+;O$7!"(J
$B5DO@$N7k2L$K1~$8$FB>$N%3!<%I$b;H$&$h$&$K$7$?$i$H;W$$$^$9!#%3!<%I(J
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$B$H$j$"$($:(JASCII$B$H(JJIS$B4A;z$GB?$/$N8@8l$,I=8=$G$-$^$9(J --- $B$=$N8@8l(J
$B8GM-$NJ8;z%;%C%H$r;H$&J}$,$:$C$H$$$$>l9g$,$"$k$3$H$K0[O@$O$"$j$^(J
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  Also note that fj.life vs fj.living debate is (hopefully)
independent from creation of this group; creation of other
fj.life.xxxx groups should not be taken for granted even if
fj.life.in-japan is created.  Let's continue discussion on this
topic further.  So this vote will be solely on this specific
group fj.life.in-japan and is totally unrelated to fj.life vs
fj.living wars.
  $B$^$?!"(Jfj.life$BBP(Jfj.living$BLdBj$b$3$N%0%k!<%W$H$OFHN)$G$"$j$?$$$H(J
$B4uK>$7$^$9!#$H$j$"$($:!"$3$N%0%k!<%W$,$G$-$?$+$i$H$$$C$FB>$N(J
fj.life.xxxx$B$b$G$-$k$N$,EvA3$H$O9M$($J$$$GD:$-$?$$!"$H$$$&$3$H$G(J
$B$9!#$3$N7o$K$D$$$F$OJB9T$7$F$5$i$K5DO@$7$F$$$-$?$$$G$9!#=>$C$F!"(J
$B$3$NEjI<$O(Jfj.life$BBP(Jfj.living$BO@5D$H$O@Z$jN%$7$F9M$($FD:$-$?$$$G$9!#(J

  These two points and many other issue are raised in recent
several weeks.  I've summrized them in the accompanying document
"What is fj.life.in-japan" (posted as a separate article), so
please read that also.  If the document needs further
modificaiton, let's dicuss about that.
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$B$?!#$=$l$i$K$r$^$H$a$F!V(JWhat is fj.life.in-japan$B!W$H$$$&J8=q$r:n(J
$B@.$7$F8+$^$7$?!#JL5-;v$G%]%9%H$7$^$9$N$G8+$F2<$5$$!#$^$@D>$9$Y$-(J
$B$H$3$m$b$"$k$G$7$g$&$+$i!"$=$l$K$D$$$F$b5DO@$7$?$$$G$9$M!#(J

  If you feel vote date 9/15 is still too early that we cannot
perform enough discussion, then please feel free to post your
objection.  Please state what discussion is not sufficient you
think, and your opinion.  This is not a MUST, but I'm only
asking.
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$B$l$k$N$G$"$l$P!"1sN8$J$/(Jobjection$B$r=P$7$F;_$a$F2<$5$$!#$=$N;~$I(J
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$B$7$$$G$9!#$3$l$OI,MWMW7o$8$c$J$$$G$9$,!";d$+$i$N$*4j$$$G$9!#(J

  Thus, followin is the formal CFV form:
  $B$H$$$&$o$1$G!"0J2<$,(JCFV$B$N>pJs$G$9(J:

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Name of the group:	fj.life.in-japan

Charter:	Topics on life of foreigners in Japan
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  If you have any objection against voting, please post an article
titled "Objection: CFV fj.life.in-japan" or such, or
alternatively, send an e-mail to me.
  $B$b$7EjI<$9$k$3$H$K0[5D$,$*$"$j$G$7$?$i!"(J"Objection: CFV
fj.life.in-japan"$B$N$h$&$KL@$i$+$J%?%$%H%k$G$3$N%0%k!<%W$KI=L@$7(J
$B$FD:$/$+!"$^$?$O;d$"$F$=$N;]%a!<%k$rD:$-$?$$$G$9!#(J

  If no objection is encountered, this CFV will succeed on the
September 14th, and I shall proceed to actual vote.  Condition
of the vote will be as follows:
  $B$b$70[5D$,$J$1$l$P(JCFV$B$O(J9$B7n(J14$BF|$K@.N)$7$^$9!#$=$N>l9g$OEjI<$K?J(J
$B$b$&$H;W$$$^$9!#EjI<>r7oEy$O<!$NDL$j$G$9(J:

    Vote period: 9/15-9/30
    Vote method: by e-mail, I'll post detail later.
    Those who can vote: anybody who can read/write fj.* newsgroups.
    Condition: the vote will succeed when # of YES vote exceeds
               # of NO vote, AND # of YES vote is not less than 50.
    $BEjI<4|4V(J:   9/15-9/30
    $BEjI<J}<0(J:   $BEE;R%a!<%k$G!#>\:Y$K$D$$$F$O8eF|!#(J
    $BM-8"<T(J:     fj$B$N%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$rFI$_=q$-$G$-$k?M$J$iC/$G$b!#(J
    $B>r7o(J:       $BEjI<$O(JYES$B$NI<?t$,(JNO$B$NI<?t$r>e2s$j!"$J$*$+$D(JYES$B$N(J
                $BI<?t$,(J50$B$r2<2s$i$J$+$C$?>l9g$K@.8y$H$7$^$9!#(J

List of events so far.
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    7/24/92 CFD/CFA posted.            CFA/CFD$B$r=P$7$?!#(J
    7/26/92 Objection encountered.     Objection$B$,=P$5$l$?!#(J
    7/29/92 CFV being posted.          CFV$B$r=P$9!#(J
    8/1/92  Objection against 1st CFV. $B:G=i$N(JCFV$B$KBP$9$k0[5D!#(J
    8/14/92 2nd CFV being posted.      2$B2sL\$N(JCFV$B!#(J
    9/1/92  3rd CFV being posted.      3$B2sL\$N(JCFV$B!#(J
    9/24/92 2-month limit expiration.  2$B%+7n$N(JCFD$B4|4V@Z$l!#(J

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						    Yasushi Kuno
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