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From: gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: sisters of mercy ques
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:05:55 GMT
Distribution: alt


	"Emma" was on the B-side of the 12" of "Dominion" (in the UK,at
least).This was a studio version.As far as I know there was no studio
version commercially released before the breakup,although there are
several live versions on bootlegs.
	"Enter the Sisters" - if it's the same as I've got on vinyl- is
a German bootleg of early material,which has become largely superfluous
since the release of "Some Girls..." 

	G.
From: Earl Grey <ajs90@uk.ac.soton.ecs>
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: sisters of mercy ques
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:13:10 GMT
Distribution: alt
Originator: ajs90@chapman

In <1992Nov13.021354.25205@Virginia.EDU> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:

>"patrick eves"  writes:
>> >
>> >  Does anyone have or know where I can get a complete dicography of the   old Merciful Release EPs?
>> 
>> 
>> JB>Sure, to the best of my knowledge this is it:-
>> 
>> Etc.
>> 
>> Heh, heh.  There's an old bootleg I've got that has a few more songs
>> that don't appear in any official discography.  Would you believe
>> covers of Hot Chocolate's "Emmaline" and Dolly Parton's "Jolene"?
>> Two great songs, at least when Eldritch is belting them out.
>> 
>> 
>> 


>"Emmaline" also appears in a studio version on a disc I have
>called "Enter the Sisters".  Does anyone actually know what
>this disc is?  It says "limited edition" and "for promotional
>use only" on it, but it's not on Merciful Release.  Is it a
>bootleg?

It's on the B-side of one of the 12" singles relesed off 'First ,
Last  and always' . It's either from 'Walk away', 'No time to Cry' or
the other one. It's also called 'Emma'. 

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From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Christian Death
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:11:24 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <o36wHkc5ya@atlantis.psu.edu> cramer@mahler.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer) writes:
>>
>Ok...so Sex, Drugs, & J.C. isn't that good...but my question is: How typical
>of CD is _The Scriptures_? It's the only one I have but I REALLY like it...
>Would I be disappointed by the other ones?

No. But you'd just have to realise that Christian Death don't have one unique 
sound, since the band changes every few years. If you like Scriptures buy 
Atrocities. I dunno. I love them all.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"I'm setting twenty-two tables for the funeral feast
 Satan is by far the kindest guest..."		  -Rozz Williams
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: bernie@tagsun.med.utoronto.ca (Bernie Charlton)
Subject: Some Girls...
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:14:35 GMT
Keywords: sisters bootlegs

    I spent the summer in the USA, and I was completely stymied in my
attempts at buying the SoM compilation _Some Girls Wander By Mistake_.
The people at Strawberries (big chain, flagship in Boston?) had never
heard of it, and neither had their computers. It wasn't even in their
list of upcoming releases... However, I had SEEN it already on the shelf
back in Canada... I'm wondering if this is still the situation, and why
this was the situation...

On another Sisters topic, my local bootleg shoppe is selling quite a few
different semi-pro Sisters boot tapes (no CDs, though). Any suggestions
as to the best titles to pick up? 

To the person making the top10 goth album list: perhaps some Skinny Puppy
on the list would help round it out... Maybe they don't fit everyone's
exact definition of Goth, but still...

Any opinions on the newish Gene love Jezebel single? Musically, I like
it, but lyrically, kinda iffy.

BC
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:59:28 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Those are my choices of Top 10 Goth Album.  I hope nobody will bitch at my
choices of albums.  :->
1. Some Girls Wandered By Mistakes-The Sister Of Mercy
   ( It would be better if Body and Soul 12" was on it.)
2. Elizium-Fields of the Nephilim
3. In The Flat Field-Bauhaus
4. Faith-The Cure
   (Poronography is great too.)
5. Love-The Cult
6. White Light From The Mouth Of Infinity-Swans
7. Closer-Joy Division
8. The First Chapter-The Mission
9. Darkland-The Jesus and Mary Chain
10. Only Theatre of Pain-Christian Death

"Feel free, explore, we are eternity to know your fleshhhhh!"
                                                      Pinhead
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From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Urgent request for info!  HELP!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:25:11 GMT

Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
hours...)

Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?

Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.

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From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: DRACULA
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:19:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wilsonandrew@bvc.edu () says:

>HOW ABOUT THE NEW "DRACULA" MOVIE? ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T REALLY STICK TO THE 
>BOOK (SUPRISE SUPRISE) I LOVED IT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>

It was very pretty, and not much else.

Chuck..

-- 
   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Summary: lyrics
Organization: Radford University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:07:25 GMT


   Actually, the lines go

      The virginal brides file past his tomb
      Strewn with time's dead flowers,
      Bereft in deathly bloom
      Alone in a darkened room
      The count...

  When I met peter murphy a few years ago he cleared that little detail up
for me.  :)

	adam


Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: fstcs1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: On the "true goth" question....
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:34:12 GMT

As for the question of "Do we wear what we wear for us or for others" I think
it has a lot to do with the person doing the wearing.

I live in Alaska, and the whole state is awfully unconnected it seems from
anything that's not on MTV.  A friend of mine met a guy from a tiny tiny town  
called Delta Junction.  (Tiny places receive even less input from the
outer world than larger towns.)  And this guy, up to Fairbanks for the weekend,
told my friend how fun he thought it would be to wear those old velvet cloaks
and lace collars neat shoes from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
He just thought it would be something he'd like to do.  Something neat.  He had
no idea that the concept of "modern-day goth" existed.  

See, true innocense does exist!
From: cluster@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (General Access)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Christian Death
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:59:17 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <5DY8JRB@hp832.informatik.hu-berlin.de> gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates) writes:

>In article <BxqFJK.L3F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat) writes:
>>I've had the _Only Theatre of Pain_ CD for quite a while now, and it is the
>>only Xian Death album I own. I'm looking to get more. What about the stuff
>>with Rozz? And Valor? Thanks...

>GET _CATASTROPHE BALLET_. Now. Do not hesitate or ponder it. Buy it.
>(it is not as hard and lacks the satanic imagery of OToP...but it is
>gorgious...somewhat gentler, but deeper too) . 

>If someone suggests Sex, Drugs & J.C....laugh at them.
>There are better xian death albums to begin collecting.


>               --margaret.
I am glad to see there are still some of you who recognize a classic album 
when you hear it.What about Atrocities Margaret ? 
JCE@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson)
Subject: Harsh... + Constructive Suggestions for Goth Tunes...
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:13:33 GMT


I must apologize pubically for the content of my message in which I
flamed the choices of one posters top 10 goth albums...  It was
extrmeley rude and inconsiderate.  For some reason, I convinced my
stoned brain, at the time, that the poster was picking these albums as
a list of the essential goth albums...  In a sobering reality, I
realize now that this instead is a request for more suggestions in
addition to the list.  So here I am to apologize for my harsh words
and to offer a few more lucid suggestions....

Music for gothic minded people
  As I mentioned earlier:
	Bauhaus - Press the Eject and Give me the Tape...
		To me, this is the quintessential Bauhaus work.  It
		encompasses all the early styles in an amzing live
		performance.  Stigamata Martyr is so pure and so raw.
		Back this up with the performances of Hollowed Hills,
		Rose Garden Funeral of Sores, and Bela Lugousi's Dead,
		and you have one incredible, melt into your furniture 
		performance.
	Bauhaus - In the Flat Field.
		This album contains most of the excellent songs from
		Press in their studio formats.  And also adds the
		incredible song Nerves.  This is one is essential for
		your listening pleasure.
	Diamanda Galas - Litanies of Satan...
		No goth does not neccesarily == satianism.  But this
		Is definitely possessed music.  Check it out for
		Short periods of time.  Otherwise you might go crazy.
		It is quite good though.
  Other suggestions...
	Gregorian Chants
		Don't know any specific albums but most are tasty...
	Christian Death
		Early Christian death is hard to approximate.
	Shubert Trio
		I think it is opus 100 or 111.  A little on the
		repetive side but it is an incredibly beautiful piece.
		If you have seen the Hunger, then you would probably 
		recognize this piece as it is a trio for piano, cello 
		and violin.  This is the sorrowful 
		composition played by Bowie, Deneuve, and the young 
		girl.  Brilliant music, but it could be edited better.
	Organ music
		Bach fugues, etc...  Must be Gothic since it can only
		be played in big European Cathedrals right?
	Beethoven's Piano Sonata opus 27 nr2. 1st and 3rd movements?
		Does extreme sorrow, and extreme rage == goth?
		If so, this should definitely qualify!

I must again apologize for letting myself post whilst under the
influence of mind altering drugs... Remember kids, don't drive Usenet
while drugged...  There is a lot of music I can recommend as tasty,
but I'm not sure how gothic it all is...  The artists that I have in
mind are of the same genre that we have been talking about, but it is
definitely on the fringes of Goth music.  I think I'll take those sort
of recommendations to Rec.music.industrial since they definitely
belong there.
-- 
Benjamin Thompson                     My views are my own, as far as I know...
bthompso@reed.edu                     I go to Reed College --- You can trust me
From: v055rylr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amy Pascale)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: wish tour
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov19.135117@disun37.epfl.ch>, grigis@disun37.epfl.ch (Christian Grigis) writes...
>In article <1ed1kkINNcr0@ensta.ensta.fr>, sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
>|> 
>|>  	I've just seen the cure on concert for their last album. I find it very 
>|> very good. Even if it's not the CUre form the beginning, it's better than during
>|> a period. Hope they will continue on this way.
>|> 
>|> 	Sylvain
> 
>	I saw them maybe a month ago, and I agree. The show was great, and there
>were plenty of old songs, even from Pornography. None from Faith though :( .
> 
>	Oh, and Cranes were excellent too :) .
> 
>Christian

 oh god, how could you think that the cranes were excellent? it was a most 
agonizing hour, maybe hour and a half. they couldn't get into the country =-)
when the cure first played at nassau (coliseum, long island, new york), but
somehow they did the 2nd time. i tried listening to them about a month ago on
my d.j. show, but i had to turn it off in the middle of the song because it was 
so awful. the music was good, but that singer is horrendous. she reminds me of
a whiney rich teenager trying to be sexy and seductive. the cure, however, was
great both times.


keep smilin'
amygurl
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.industrial
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Urgent request for info!  HELP!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:24:25 GMT

Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
hours...)

Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?

Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Subject: "Bela Lugosi's Dead"- Lyrics.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:43:24 GMT

^*^   ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^
                       
                ...white on white translucent black capes...
                              back on the rack
                             bela lugosi's dead
                ...the  bats  have  left  the  bell tower...
                         the victims have been bled
                        red velvet lines the black box
                             bela lugosi's dead
                 ...the virginal brides file past his tomb...
                        strewn with times' dead flowers
                           bereft of deadly bloom
                          alone, in a darkened room
                                  the Count
                            bela lugosi's dead

^*^       ^*^          ^*^                 ^*^         ^*^    ^*^ 

^*^ fare thee well ^*^
I think that's it. 
I always wondered however was it: 'Back on the rack' or 'Black on the black'.
Most definately one of THE best songs ever.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
" Into a smile mesmerised, See what you are, See what you were
   Up here I can see for miles, Such a fire as burns inside" FotN
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: henk@cs.vu.nl (Henk Smit)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:42:55 GMT

mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:

> 2. The Sisters of Mercy - "Enter the Sisters" (bootleg)
> 4. Joy Division - "Closer"
> 5. Bauhaus - "Burning From the Inside"
> 7. Dead Can Dance - "A Passage In Time"
> 8. The Cure - "Pornography"

  I can live with these bands in the "Goth Top 40" :-),  but I would
 pick some other albums. E.g DCD/DCD, Bauhaus/Mask, SoM/only the first 12"s
  Pornography is great indeed.

  Well, let me mention some of my favorite albums. Some bands are never
 mentioned in this newsgroup. Am I getting to old ? They are definitely
 worth listening to. I hope this list brings some of you to new ideas.

	Virgin Prunes		-	If I die, I die
					(The best Goth album made ever !)

	SPK			-	Zamia Lehmanni
	Coil			-	The Horse Rotorvator
	The Sound		-	From the lions mouth
					(Has anyone outside England or Holland 
					ever heard of them ?)
	A Certain Ratio		-	To Each .....
					(Before Ian Curtis hung himself, they
					were more popular then Joy Division)
	Dave Ball		-	In Strict Tempo
					(Featuring Gavin Friday and Genisis						P. Orridge).
	Jesus & Mary Chain	-	Psycho Candy
					(In 85, this was the first new album in
					in 2 years that made me sit straight up)
	New Order		-	Movement
	Comsat Angels		-	Fiction
					(Same question as with the Sound)
	Theatre of Hate		-	West world
	Cocteau Twins		-	Garlands
	Psychic TV		-	Dreams less sweet
					(Maybe some people consider this an
					industrial band ? To me, this album is
					most definitly gothic)
	the Cramps		-	Songs the lord taugth us /Psychedelic
						Jungle/ Off the bone
					(Maybe the music is not so gothic, but
					the lyrics are. They have the highest
					level of vampires, werewolfs, zombies,
					mass murderers, voodoo, human flies,
					etc. in their songs, of any band I know)
	Tuxedomoon		-	Half mute/ Desire/ Holy wars
					(All three are great, dark, sad,
					impressive albums)
	This Mortal Coil	-	It'll end in tears
	the Fall		-	The wonderfull & frightening world of ..
					(Featuring Gavin Friday on 2 songs)
	the Gunclub		-	Miami
					(Cowboy gothic ?? :-)
	Modern Eon		-	Fiction tales
	Medium Medium		-	In the glitterhouse
					(Funk gothic ?)

  So my top 10 of Goth albums would be: "If I die, I die", "Alice", "DCD",
 "Pornography", "From the lions mouth", "Psycho candy", "Movement",
 "Zamia Lehmanni", "To Each ..." and "The Horse Rotovator".

      Just my Fl. 0,02 worth,


                   Henk

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Internet: henk@cs.vu.nl                 Phone:    +31 20 548 6218
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: argent@iastate.edu (Christopher L Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Off track
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
	So here's two insipational poems, one long, one short.  Flame me
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:54:58 GMT

				Ankh


Dressed in death with the symbol of life hanging
	about your neck.
	I can hardly make myself speak.
Have you ever felt the urge to kiss a stranger?
Pushing back, and loving hard and fast?
I imagine tearing your clothes from you
	---stripping the death from your body---
	and touching soft pale flesh,
but instead, I sit here and try to say deep things.
It doesn't happen.
Thoughts of kissing and fucking fly through my mind,
and I awkwardly reply to anything you say.

I write poetry.
Yes I do.
I don't know if I'm any good.
You can read some sometime.

Why am I talking about this?
There are so many other things I'd rather do with you;
hide us with a sheet, like a funeral shroud, do those
	things that wouldn't make your mother proud
	(she need never know),
or run my fingers through your hair as I stand there with
	you on your knees before me,
or bind your wrists, and let my lust have you as it will.
My palms sweat, my vision dims, my stomach turns, my heartbeat drums in my
ears, the room uncomfortably closes in, and I wish my passion could prove my
private thoughts.
I touch your hand, and pretend like I'm not flirting,
	but I am---oh I am.
My fingers burn, but you don't seem to notice the heat.
Your lips move.
I listen only to your voice, not what you say.
---if only to silence your lips with a kiss, to hold you tenderly in my arms.
My whole life's a fantasy,
but my fantasy is far better than reality.
Can you tell my thoughts?
Have you ever felt this way?
I touch your ankh for no reason other than to have my hand
	close to your breasts.
Golden life hanging from a golden chain, in my mind itUs all
	you wear.
I want to touch you.
(Would you bleed for me?)
I'd be gentle---really I would,
unless you want it hard.
Then I'll make it as rape,
stopping only when I've had enough---
and I could never have enough.
I would possess you until you begged for me to stop.
Perhaps I would then, or perhaps I would take your wetness
	one last time,
and collapse exhausted when I was through.

What?
Oh yes, it was nice meeting you too.
Maybe we can talk again sometime.
I'd like that.

I'd like that.



	And now for a short one.


			Dressed in black for the lack
			   of a better world in which
			   to wear such colors.

	Hope these fit the inspirational bill, and hope they're liked.
-- 
argent@iastate.edu       | They called me the fool, they called me the child
The Great Grendle-Knan,  | I found an angel of the night;
Earth rim roamer.        | The voice was low, the look was bright;
                         | She looked upon my crown and smiled. -Tennyson-
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From: sasha@iastate.edu (Sasha)
Subject: short poems...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:52:12 GMT


a few short poems from my journal...too contemplative right now to write 
something to fit the group, but these might do....


a dancing, prancing, flickering spirit of beauty...
brought forth from a spark flaring into life...
a flame luring all to gaze upon its hypnotic play...
full of grace, motion smooth, flawless...suddenly whips in fury...
drawn to its divinity are all that glance upon her..
sneering, raging, filled at times with dark melancholy...
her need for fuel leaves her dependant 'pon those willing to sacrifice..
who's able to 'scape the flame's charm, all face spellbound fate...
oh such fatal beauty lies within her...to love her is to die....

---

depth of darkness..is there no end?
hatred rises forth, i can no longer swim...
i drown in it's strength, seduced by the fire...
only too late..i find pain to be a liar...

---

unfinished poem..maybe someone(s) could add to it?

twisting shades of darkness, environ of my soul...
degrees of hatred rising, struggles taking toll...
reality of the world surrounds me, flesh a prison chain...



all for now....hope it brings forth a passion within...

sasha...                             email: sasha@iastate.edu

"i embrace the darkness...it's cloak warms my soul and offers refuge for
  my pain stricken spirit..."  -me
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner)
Subject: Re: Off track
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:21:12 GMT

We need an inspiring poem to stir things up around here!
-Mike

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