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From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.)
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Subject: Vedic marriage rituals
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:33:33 GMT
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The list included 8 rituals which formalize a marriage.
Many marriages all over India incorporate many of those
8 rituals. But for legal purposes, Only one is sufficient.

In North India:
Going round the fire

In South India: (Not sure outside Tamil Nadu. Others please confirm)
Tieing a sacred thread (thaali) around the bride's neck.
[This was not listed among the eight listed as vedic rituals].
Interestingly, many Christian sects in South also use 'thaali'
with a 'Cross' to formalize a marriage.

So even if none of the 8 vedic rituals are performed, it is still legal
in substantial portion of India.

K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec
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From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
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In article <9212301756.AA08102@slinda>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes...
> 
>You are right. Original Hindu scriptures do not recommend vegetarianism.
>Atharva veda is the only one which has some harsh words to say against
>meat eating. On the other hand, atherva veda was probably, an independent
>work, compiled from the beliefs of the pre-vedic people of the land, their
>magic, and other customs. That is why Atherva Veda is 
>often excluded by staunch vedics.

	Or perhaps, the medical sciences (and other economic related issues)
	came within the scope of atharva Veda!!! Who knows what was the
	fact? Here are some obvious observations.

	Most Hindu scriptures categorize foods as tamasic, rajasic and
	sattwic. Rotten meat is all tamasic, cooked food is rajasic and
	Vegetarian foods are all sattwaic. While Hinduism does not
	recommend one type of food over other, but, the characterstic features
	of these gunas on our thought, understanding, temerament and
	personality are very well documented. Choice is yours not of
	Hinduism's.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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In article <forb0004.162.724922311@student.tc.umn.edu>, forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu writes:
> considered Hindu interests as my own. Having heard many times that Buddhism 
> did not flourish in India, I was surprised to learn that it once had been a 
> popular religion-- and shocked to learn how it had fallen in the massacres 
> by the invading Moslems, who decreed death for these unbelievers. Millions 
> were slaughtered, Hindu as well as Buddhist. Hindu and Buddhist religious 
> sites were desecrated and claimed for the invaders.
> 

	This is just not true. There were a lot of attrocities committed by invading muslim hordes. But, those were not the reason for decline of Buddhism. After Ashoka and the Kanishka and the Mauryan Empires came a the Guptas founded by Chandragupta II. During the reign of the Guptas Hinduism absorbed all of the principles of Buddhism and Jainism and therefore was able to resuurect itself and Buddhism died a natural death in India. Infact most Hindus would not distinguish between Buddhism and Hinduism. Buddha's










 message was considered one more path to salvation.

						-murgesh

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In article <Bz9L0y.B6v@ucunix.san.uc.edu> editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (digest editor) writes:
>From swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu Wed Dec  9 12:00:01 1992
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>From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
>Subject: Question
>Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 16:50:26 GMT

>
>I am just curious.  Please pardon my ignorance on world religions....
>
>Is there anything in hindu that relates to a cycle of the moon or
>perhaps a Monday sabbath?
>
>swood
>
>-- 
>  Dec. 01   Opening day of late Archery Deer season in Michigan
>  Dec. 01   Opening day of late Ruffed Grouse in Michigan (zones 2 & 3)
>  Dec. 04   Opening day of Michigan Muzzleloading deer (zone 1)
>  Dec. 08   Opening day of late Michigan Elk season (permit only)
>

Most religious observances in Hinduism are based on the lunar calendar.
For example, the birthday of Sri Rama is always observed on the 9th 
lunar day (Navami) of the bright half of the lunar month, Chaitra.
In addition certain fasts are also observed in a cyclic fashion. 
For example, the Vaishnavas (devotees of Vishnu) generally fast on
the 11th lunar day of each fortnight, and worshippers of Shiva may
observe fast on the 14th day of the dark fortnight. Some Hindus also
observe fast and worship various Deities on a weekly basis. Worshippers
of Shiva consider Monday to be a sacred day. 

Anand
ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu


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Subject: What is the Hindu faith ?
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From: martin@praxis.co.uk (Martin Croxford)
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Subject: What is the Hindu faith ?
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:14:53 GMT
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I am unfamiliar with the Hindu faith. I'd appreciate a brief appraisal of
Hinduism and how it differs from other religeons such as, say, Islam,
Christianity and Sikhism.

Thanks.

--
Martin Croxford
martin@praxis.co.uk
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In alt.hindu you write:

>I am thinking of putting a request to post
>Gita chapters at the rate of 1 per week so that we all will keep abreast
>of our religion's holy book.
>
>Raja Sethupathi

Great idea!  That'd be nice.

	-- John Hoag

P.S. -- BTW, any idea why these articles are showing up as being authored
by "digest editor"?
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Subject: Vegetarianism & Hinduism: Are they linked?
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I have been trying to re-acquanint myself with Hinduism and what it has to come
to stand for, and how it has changed in history.
 
I had been reading a book by historian K.M Sen on Hinduism, and it had
mentioned that the original (primoridal hindus:-pre Gita period and after the
puranas), did used to eat cow on celebrative occasions.
	Does it mandate or say in any of the considered sacred hindu 
documents, that a hindu should be a vegetarian?  Or has it just been
something that came wtih the influence of Buddhism and (sanatn dharma) ?
			-amit.
-- 

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From: jeet@point.cs.uwm.edu (Jitendra Kavathekar)
Subject: reco's on good books requested
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Summary: Looking for good books on Hinduism and Jainism
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Hello All,

I would like input from people on the net regarding pointers to "good"
books on Hinduism and Jainism (*particularly* Jainism).  I live far away
from a temple and there is not a big Indian community around here (the
Org. line in the header is mis-leading), so it is hard to do this on my own.
Surely I will get flamed for being vague but none the less, I'll leave
the definition of "good" open to your interpretation.  The only
thing I specifically want is that the book be written in English.
Please give me a *very* brief synopsis of why you think the book(s) that
you recommend to be of merit, along with whatever information I need to
track it down (title, author, ISBN #, etc..).

  I want to add some good books on the topic to my library.  I grew up
on family discussions, teachings, and stories being told on Jainism and
Hinduism along with my favorite Amer Chitra (?sp) comic books :-).  The
recent events of India have gotten me thinking in this direction once again.
(even though I know the issue *may* be more political than anything
else).


  Respond either on the net or via email.  I'll post a summary if
requested to do so.


Thank you for your time.

Jitendra (jeet@point.cs.uwm.edu)
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
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	Arya - its Significance Part 1/3

Ref. - The Supramental Manifestation and Other Writings by Sri Aurobindo.
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To those not familiar with Vedic culture, the word 'arya' is no more
than a hieroglyph which attracts or repels according to their
temperament. To some, the word has been converted to purely racial
terms, an unknown ethnological quantity on which different speculations
fix different values. To others, the word represents a difference of
culture because the Vedic rishis had accepted a particular type of
self-culture, of inward and outward practice, of ideality, of aspiration.
Their gods were the supraphysical powers who assisted the mortal in his
struggle towards the nature of the godhead. All the highest aspirations
of the early human race, its noblest religious temper, its most idealistic
velleities of thought are summed up in this single vocable.

In later times, the word Arya expressed a particular ethical and social
ideal, an ideal of well-governed life, candour, courtesy, nobility,
straight dealing, courage, gentleness, purity, humanity, compassion,
protection of the weak, liberality, observance of social duty, eagerness
of knowledge, respect for the wise and learned, the social accomplishments.
It was the combined ideal of the Brahmana and the Kshatriya. Everything
that departed from this ideal, everything that tended towards the
ignoble, mean, obscure, rude, cruel or false, was termed un-Aryan or
anarya (colloq anari). There is no word in human speech that has a
nobler history.

In the early days of comparative Philology, when the scholars sought in the
history of words for the prehistoric history of peoples, it was supposed
that the word Arya came from the root 'ar', to plough, and that the
Vedic Aryans were so called when they separated from their kin in the
north-west who despised the pursuits of agriculture and remained shephards
and hunters. This ingenious speculation has little or nothing to support it.
But in a sense we may accept the derivation. Whoever cultivates the field
that the Supreme Spirit has made for him, his earth of plenty within and
without, does not leave it barren or allow it to run to seed, but labours
to exact from it its full yield, is by that effort an Aryan.

.... to be contineued
namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (digest editor)
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Subject: RIGVEDA - Beginning of Time
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:07:28 GMT
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	Then there was neither being nor non-being:
	There was no air, nor firmament beyond it.
	Was there a stirring ? Where ? Beneath what cover ?
	Was there a great abyss of unplumbed water ?

	There was no death nor anything immortal;
	Nor any sign dividing day from night.
	That One thing, in the stillness, breathed quiescent;
	No second thing existed whatsoever.

	Darkness was hidden in a deeper darkness;
	This All was as a sea without dimensions;
	The void still held unformed what was potential,
	Until the power of Warmth produced the sole One...

	Who truly knows, and who can here declare it ?
	Whence it was born, and how this world was fashioned ?
	The gods came later than the earths creation:
	Who knows then out of what the world has issued ?

	Whatever he made the world or did not make it,
	He knows whence this creation came, he only
	Who in the highest heavens guards and watches;
	He knows indeed, but then, perhaps, he knows not!

	
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From: v999r9ne@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Vikram S Sinha)
Subject: Hello!
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I am delighted to see that alt.hindu has been created, this I hope will
be a place where people following different faiths can express their 
viewpoints freely in the true spirit of hinduism.


I was wondering if anyone had heard of rioting in Darbanga
(Bihar). According to unconfirmed reports(telephone calls from friends)
over 25 Hindu women were raped by Muslim zealots who went on a rampage
after hearing of the masjid demolition. This happened on the outskirts of
Darbanga, at a girls school run by missionaries. It is estimated that the
girls were in the 13 to 19 age group. It is also bvelieved that the mullah
of the biggest mosque in Darbanga openly encouraged muslim youths to rape
hindu women and to burn and destroy Hindu temples.

                                                   Regards,
                                                  Vikram Sinha.
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	Arya - its Significance Part 2/3

>From - The Supramental Manifestation and Other Writings by Sri Aurobindo.
----------
... If Arya were a purely racial term, a more probable derivation would be
'ar', meaning strength or valour, from ar to fight, whence we have the
name of the Greek war-god Ares, areios, brave or warlike, perhaps even arete,
virtue, signifying, like the Latin virtus, first, physical strength and
courage and then moral force and elevation. This sense of the word also we
may accept. "We fight to win sublime Wisdom, therefore men call us warriors."
For Wisdom implies the choice as well as the knowledge of that which is best,
noblest, most luminous, most divine. Certainly, it means also the knowledge of
all things and charity and reverence for all things, even the most apparently
mean, ugly or dark, for the sake of the universal Deity who chooses to dwell
equally in all. But, also, the law of right action is a choice, the preference
of that which expresses the godhead to that which conceals it. And the choice
entails a battle, a struggle. It is not easily made, it is not easily enforced.

Whoever makes that choice, whoever seeks to climb from level to level up the
hill of the divine, fearing nothing, deterred by no retardation or defeat,
shrinking from no vastness because it is too vast for his intelligence, no
height because it is too high for his spirit, no geatness because it is too
great for his force and courage, he is the Aryan, the divine fighter and
victor, the noble man, aristos, best, the srestha of the Gita.

Intrinsically, in its most fundamental sense, Arya means an effort or an
uprising and overcoming. The Aryan is he who strives and overcomes all outside
him and within him that stands opposed to the human advance. Self-conquest is
the first law of his nature. He overcomes earth and the body and does not
consent like ordinary men to their dullness, inertia, dead routine and
tamasic limitations. He overcomes life and its energies and refuses to be
dominated by their hungers and cravings or enslaved by their rajasic passions.
He overcomes the mind and its habits, he does not live in a shell of ignorance,
inherited prejudices, customary ideas, pleasant opinions, but knows how to
seek and choose, to be large and flexible in intelligence even as he is firm
and strong in his will. For in everything he seeks truth, in everything right, 
in everything height and freedom.

... to be continued
namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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