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From: atoenne@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Andreas Toenne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Above 16MB. Possible FAQ. Summary needed.
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:31:08 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Informatik

Hi!

Finally I've upgraded my 486/ISA to 20MB of memory.
Has any1 collected the tips/tricks how to access this pile of memory
in OS/2?

I have applied the latest loader and I use the kernel that shrinks the
swapfile. But the memavail-tool from hobbes tells me that I have only 16MB
of memory. The bios knows about 20mb however.
Can somebody answer the following questions:

a. what was the occasional DMA limit on ISA machines? 16mb? 20mb? more ?
b. does this mamavil-tool work properly?
c. which configuration (kernel/loader patches) allows the full 20MB?

	Thanx, Andreas

P.S. please reply by mail
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From: x91clifton1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar 24 questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:54:47 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <168429BF4.BOB@ysub.ysu.edu>, BOB@ysub.ysu.edu (Bob Quigley) writes:
> I know this has probably been posted before but I am having some problems
> setting up my Diamond Speedstar 24 to use 1024x768x256 mode. I got the
> Orchid ProDesigner II drivers (version .9 dated 7/02/92) from hobbes
> and followed the instructions to install. When I reboot the screen loses
> sync. This is on a Gateway 2000 486/33 with the 1024NI monitor.
>  
> Any help would be appreciated
>  
> /Bob Quigley (bob@ysu.edu)
>  Youngstown State University

Try the following:

	1. start a full screen DOS session
	2. run your vmode utility that came with the card
	3. select, under monitor, the correct one for the crystal scan
	4. exit vmode, type "vmode monitor"
	5. now run "svga on" from the command prompt
	6. exit the DOS session and do a shutdown with the 
	   Orchid display.dll installed

This should work as I have the exact same set-up except I am using the
800x600x16 mode driver from the same set. Also, I recommend *not* using
the 256 color driver as the color palette is flacky and is also very slow.
Hopefully, this fall, we will have svga drivers for the tseng based cards
from IBM that are more stable, faster, support seamless windows, have a
better selection of fonts for windowed command lines, etc.

Hope this helps,

/Doug [99clifto@lab.cc.wmich.edu]  
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 without Windows and DOS available?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:37:55 GMT

In article <714334950snx@feki.toppoint.de> marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann) writes:
>I would like to know, if there is a package of OS/2 2.0 available
>without Windows 3.0 and DOS?
>If not a public product -- would it be possible to get this from IBM --
>of course for less money ... has anyone heard of something like this.

IBM would certainly be willing to discuss license terms with you on
such a configuration, I'm sure.  The catch is that you would need to
purchase in OEM volumes, meaning if you want just a single copy this
way you'll have trouble.

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From: billt@cvedc.prime.com (Bill Tracy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Does Os/2 Have The Equai
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:31:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cvedc.1992Aug20.213139.10270
Organization: Computervision R&D, Beaverton OR

ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth) writes:

(extra stuff removed)

>No no no. That's not what he meant. I think he already has grep etc.

>grep "---" `find  foobar` is what he was asking.

>In a UNIX C shell, the backquotes run that program, and leave the results
>in the command line (in this case).

>SO the `find ..` would expand to ./file1 ./file2 ./file2 etc.
>Then those files would become the arguments to grep.

>Confusing, but then this is UNIX.

>BTW I *would* like to know if this is possible under OS/2. Maybe some bizarre
>4OS/2 command? Anyway, it's a function of the shell, not the OS. Maybe when
>bash gets ported...;-)

The shell (csh, bash, whatever) provides the backquote feature, but it
has problems if the output gets too large.

Another way of doing the same, is the xargs command as follows:
find foobar -print | xargs -n100 grep "-----"
would use 100 lines of output from find, and invoke grep with its
arguments on this list of 100 files.

So, you control the length of the list, you invoke grep only a few
times, and you get a similiar result to using backquotes.

GNU find includes xargs - and now you know the rest of the story...
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Needs a Supervisor mode!
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:29:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug16.161525.23512@tamsun.tamu.edu> bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs) writes:
>
>Why don't you just make CONFIG.SYS read only using the ATTRIB command?
>Ditto for the .dll's.  This may not be a perfect solution, but since
>OS/2 traps I/O, a program cannot bypass it and manipulate the hardware
>directly.

But a malicious program can always just run ATTRIB again and change
the flags back.  It's useful against accidents, but not against
deliberate attempts.

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Avoiding error dialogs from DOS tasks
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:52:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.215956.14746@husc16.harvard.edu> buehrer@husc16.harvard.edu writes:
>I am working on setting up a DOS box in OS2 that will occaisionally create a
>system error.  I would like OS2 to gracefully allow this box to close and then
>restart a new box with the program running again inside of it.  I assume that
>such a loop is relatively easy to do.  The problem is that when the error oc-
>curs in the DOS box, a dialog box pops up in OS2 and requires user intervention
>to make it go away.  Is there any way to tell OS2 to either not put up the
>dialog box or to automatically just hit a return and go away?

Look up AUTOFAIL in the online Command Reference.

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From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao)
Subject: cann't install Dos progrem from drive B
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:08:21 GMT

This may be faq: I tried install dos program from drive B:(1.44 MB), from
one DOS window. It always goes back to read A:. What should I do?
-- 
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From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Deleting program makes object undeleteable
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:39:58 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Here's an odd one I just had happen.  A few days ago, I decided to
clean up my disk.  I used the tree view of one of my drives, and
dragged d:\packages\pmfrac (the PM fractal program's directory) into the
shredder.

Today, I opened up my "Shareware OS/2" folder, and realized I hadn't
deleted the program object for PmFrac.  Also, its icon was gone,
replaced with the default (makes sense, the .exe was gone).  The
problem, however, was that the object became un-deletable.  Dragging
it to the shredder gave the "No" zero-with-a-slash-through-it symbol.
Under its menu, [Delete] was gone.  I had no way to get rid of this
object, and the online help told me nothing.

Why did that object behave like that?

I did come up with a bizarre but successful (I think!) solution.  I
selected [Move], told it to go to a direct path, and gave it
C:\Nowhere as the destination.  Seemed to work like a charm.

Or did it?  Anyone have any pointers as to a possibly better solution?

				Thanks,
					Michael

System: Packard Bell Legend 700 486/33, 8meg x 130mb, Oak 512k svga
(using regular vga drivers), hd partitions (2) are HPFS
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 - What a pig :)
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:50:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <15AUG92.22200721@skyfox.usask.ca> friesenda@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>Just one comment;  what a pig!  Takes forever to open/close windows/
>applications.  Might have something to do with the fact that I only
>have 4Mb of memory installed :)

Yep, that's it alright.  Another 2MB will change your world (or at
least your desktop speed).

>I hope to upgrade that in the VERY near future.

Great idea.  Get as much as you can reasonably afford.  You won't be
disappointed.  8MB will make you happy, and more never hurts.

>But you know what?  Despite its current speed, I'll still take it
>over Windows. 

Wow!  More devoted than I am!  Of course, I got the extra memory
before I got OS/2 because Windows was too slow with only 4MB.  Then
again, I am the only person I know of who ran Word and Excel and four
other apps (including a DOS Window) at once under Windows 3.0 - I
needed a lot more memory!
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From: mjn@sbstaff2.cs.sunysb.edu (The Sixth Replicant)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Hidden Files, Defragmentation, Backup
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:21:29 GMT
Organization: Tyrell Corp.

In article <1992Aug19.195841.10447@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.161500.15942@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mjn@sbstaff2.cs.sunysb.edu (The Sixth Replicant) writes:
>>
>>Also, in the documentation for EABACKUP, it says that EABACKUP is unneccesary
>>if your backup/restore preserves the EA pointer in the directory entry (and
>>of course you restore a whole disk EA DATA. SF included). Does anyone know
>>whether any or all versions of Fastback have such a property ?
>
>They do not -- only OS/2 backup software properly handles extended
>attributes.  EABACKUP is used in conjuction with DOS backup software.

Let me clarify my question. Here's my understanding of how EA's work on
a FAT partition: There's an entry in the FAT directory entry which is unused
by DOS. This entry is used by OS/2 to give a pointer into EA DATA. SF.
The suggestion made in the EABACKUP docs is that if your backup utility
copies and restores the directory entry wholesale, then it will preserve
this pointer and if you backup and restore a _whole partition_, then the
pointer will be consistent with the EA DATA. SF you will be loading. Therefore
everything will be hunky-dory. Is this a gross misunderstanding ?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: ATM and WIN-OS2
Reply-To: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:52:07 GMT

I know that OS2 2.0 comes with a complete installation of Windoze 3.0
and it comes with a full installation of Adobe Type Manager.
However, when I use a Windoze word processor, I am limited to ONE font
and ONE size (Times Rmn 12pt.).
Does OS2's ATM work for Windoze programs?  How can I get any font manager
(ATM, TrueType) to work for Win-OS2 ?

Thank you,
Pete
From: ml3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael H. Lambert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: S3 Advice Wanted
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:30:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.geXGAK_00WBNA1VlsV
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I plan to purchase a 486 box with a Diamond Stealth S3-based video card.
 I would like to run OS/2.  However, I know that S3 drivers are not yet
available and I understand that the Diamond Stealth is not 8514a
compatible.  I would appear to have two options (not counting buying a
different video card):  1) install OS/2 with a standard VGA driver then
install an S3 driver when they come out 2) wait until drivers for the
Diamond Stealth are released.  As I am not currently running OS/2, I
have no idea how difficult it would be to change video drivers.  Any
suggestions on what I should do?

Michael H. Lambert
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ssinglet@diana.cair.du.edu (LaserJock)
Subject: Using Zmodem under CKermit
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:44:36 GMT

Hello -
I use CKERMIT as my comm program under os/2.  I would like to use the
OS/2 port of Zmodem for downloads.  I have ckermit set up to use com3:
on my machine.  Everything works fine until I attempt to shell out to
the command prompt from kermit and fire up zmodem.  It insists that
the port cannot be opened.  I indicate in the command line switches
for zmodem to use com3, disable the carrier detect, baud rate etc,
 etc, but still get a message that the port cannot be opened.
  
If I fire up zmodem in its terminal mode, everything also works fine.
I saw the recent posts for the patched gacomm drivers, and replaced
the old com drivers with the new ones.

Anyone have any suggestions? (Other than get a new comm program?)
Thanks
Steve
ssinglet@du.edu
##################################


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From: kramer@ms.uky.edu (Mike Andrews)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: PAS-16 and OS/2 2.0 sample playback problems (mysterious IRQ 
    conflict)
Summary: Works on DOS fine, SB-compat mode works on OS/2, but PAS mode won't.
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:01:21 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I'm having a weird problem with my new Pro AudioSpectrum 16 and OS/2 --
I can't play back samples in PAS-16 mode.  It just loops over and over like
there is an IRQ conflict somewhere....  The Soundblaster compatibility side
is just fine (things like Wolfenstein 3D work great), but sample playback
in non-Soundblaster-mode dosen't work on OS/2.  It works perfectly under
DOS 5.0....
   (Yes, I tried booting DOS 5 from C: in an OS/2 VDM, but that was even
worse; PLAYFILE locked the window up and I had to just close it)
   Right now, I've got the PAS's IRQ set to 5 for PAS mode and 7 for SB mode.
(I can't print anymore either, but that was kinda expected, though my old
non-Pro-Soundblaster let me print even with the SB set to IRQ 7 also....)
Reversing the two (SB mode to 5, PAS mode to 7) causes the samples to loop
under DOS as well, so that's not a solution.  Using high IRQ's dosen't seem
to help either.  I've also got an NE2000-compatible Ethernet board to deal
with (I used to have it on IRQ 5, now it's on IRQ 2) and a mouse (on COM1)
and modem (on COM2, both standard IRQ 3 and 4)....

Any ideas?  Booting DOS every time I want to play samples is a pain....
It's bad enough that I have to do it for playing MODs.  (I'd also love to
be able to print without booting up DOS too...)  My guess is that OS/2 is
doing strange things with the interrupt vectors.

Also, I know this has been asked before, but can I use the SCSI port on the
PAS-16 to hook up a SCSI hard disk and use it under OS/2?  (I don't plan to
boot from it, just use it as a third drive; I have two IDE's running now)

Thanks in advance....

                  Mike

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From: widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Help!! Can't shutdown anymore ...
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:25:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug18.204800.22549@fcom.cc.utah.edu> msm9891@cc.utah.edu (MICHAEL STEPHEN MERRELL) writes:

>Question:  Can the boot manager boot an OS from a
>logical drive, or do the OSes need to be in a primary?

	The only OS that Boot Manager can boot from a logical drive is
	OS/2.


Shaun Burnett		    |	"You can't survive on a new planet with a
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OS/2--Happy Happy Joy Joy--OS/2		-  Dr. Who (Tom Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT])
Subject: Trident driver crashes my system
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:18:37 GMT

Hello,

this is a plea for help.

I'm running a 386/40 clone with 8 MB RAM, 100 MB IDE drive and a Trident 9000
videao card w. 512 kB.

I installed a new os/2 out of the box (no patches applied so far). The 
system ran under DOS/Windows before without problems.
I have tried to install the 800x600 Trident drivers from hobbes, those files
whose readme have been commented by T.Sipples.

Now when I boot up system crashes with a black screen. I installed 
the normal driver, not that virtual desktop beast. I tried it with both -
the 16 and 256 colors driver. Both behave the same.

BTW - the documentation claims 800x600x256 would need a Trident 8900 w. 1 MB.
But I had running that resolution before under windows - where is the 
difference ?

Thanks in advance for any help...

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr

BTW - Have I always to completely reinstall OS/2 in such a case ? the
c:\ HPFS is not accessible from the command prompt now.. I used the method
described in the faq-list


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From: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: My OS/2 is REALLY quick now...
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>I'm anxiously awaiting the 32-bit graphics engine, as I can see nothing but
>>performance benefit from it.

>I suspect many people will be disappointed then.  I don't expect the
>32-bit graphics engine to affect many people.  I have a i486-33, and
>strongly suspect that most of the "slowness" can be attributed to the
>video card and not the processing time in the 16-bit engine.  Thus,
>I won't see much difference.  Now, if I had an ATI Ultra, I'd expect
>a whole not more!  (But what is the difference if you wait 10ms or 1ms?).

Actually, there will be an increase.  A company called Panacea released 32
bit graphics drivers for Windows 3.0, and while the performance increase
wasn't what you'd get with an accelerated card, it was noticeable, and it
even beat the accelerated cards in some areas.

It certainly can't hurt, and who's not to say that IBM may not add
increased functionality to the 32 bit engine.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps
From: rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones)
Subject: Re: *** Many important (to me) questions about OS/2 ***
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:28:51 GMT

In article <BsxwvA.Eyr@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> bcrwhims@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>I have been using OS/2 on a 386sx16 w/ 6M for a while, and I have a couple
>of observations, and some questions:
>
>- I was able to borrow 2M from a friend to see if the speed improved. It was
>  a noticeable, but small improvement, but nothing that I thought was worth
>  it.
>
>- I have heard recently that a fast hard-drive makes a difference. Is this
>  true? In that case, I would love to replace my ridiculous 40M 27ms drive
>  with a 200M, 12-15ms IDE drive. Any comments? Will this enable me to make
>  better use of the extra 2M, if I upgrade to 8M?
>
>- I have a Plus hardcard w/ 100M and a cached 9ms access-time. Can I boot
>  and run OS/2 off this drive (d:)?
>
>- I have been using PmComm for a bit, toying with the idea of registering 
>  it, but it doesn't do scripts in the pre-registered version, and I don't 
>  want to have to pay 89.95 to find out that their implementation stinks.
>  Has anyone registered it, and how is it? Is there another shareware comm
>  program out there that is a little cheaper, and as functional, and nice?
>
>- I use PmComm, and DOS ProComm before it, to log in to the computer at
>  school to get mail and news, but recently I have been losing the
>  connection, and had to reboot my computer, since although I could hang
>  up by disconnecting the line from the computer, I couldn't get the modem to
>  hang up. I am using a Zoom Sendfax 2400 modem. Does anyone have any idea
>  why this is happening?
>
I've been using the registered version of PMcomm for several months now. I
highly recommend it. DOn't use a DOS program for communications under OS/2
if you can avoid it! THe scripting with PMcomm is good. You can use the
internal commands, which are simple and generated with auto-record (like
procomm) or you can use the very powerful Rexx commands. It also has a 
good zmodem. I found the demo  version of  PMcomm somewhat buggy!


>- Also recently (coincidence ?), I have had to double-click _TWICE_ on some
>  of the program folders on my desktop, since the first double-click only
>  moves them into memory (shaded background, ie minimized). Why? Very annoying!
> Carsten Whimster                Absurdity is the result of people demanding
> bcrwhims@cayley.waterloo.edu    meaning from a world which has none. Camus.
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