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From: d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN)
Subject: Re: Vinod Kambli
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Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:28:00 GMT

In article <4eyHoSa00iV3A1y1EW@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sujan Azad Parikh <sp48+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>   I think that instead of selecting Waman Raman for the SA tour, the
>selectors should have selected Kambli. Raman has already had his
>chances. Fresh, new blood must be injected if the middle order is to
>bear any resemblence of solidity. Remember, our batting order ends with
>Azza. Kapil has shown that he can still pack a few big hits (World cup
>'92) but even he is aging. 
>   Let me tell you a few things about Kambli. Our school played against
>their school (Shardashram) in the inter school cricket championships in
>Bombay. ( ...SCHOOL CRICKET FOLKLORE...ETC.)
> 
>Sujan Parikh      

W.V.Raman has been far more consistent in Domestic cricket than Kambli 
has and moreover Raman has been pretty good in the limited chances he 
has got. Further comment on axeing raman should be reserved until after
the S.A tour is over and he is evaluated.
I think had W.V.Raman been a Bombayite he would have got a better deal 
from the selectors. He was dropped after making 83 on debut in Madras
against W.I and Winston Davis, Patterson and Walsh. Believe me if a 
Bombay player made 83 on debut all hell would break loose if he were 
dropped the next match. Raman made a couple of good 50's in NZ ..and since 
then he was given a proper deal. Bombay cricketers like Kambli,Bahutule,
Kuruvilla get fantastic press and support from D.B.Veng,S.M.G,etc etc...
but T.N players don't have someone w/ enormous clout saying good things abt
them. I am not saying Bombay players are being " pushed" unfairly b'cos
you sometimes need all the help you can get but T.N players often don't
have this advantage. Despite that Raman has shown tremendous promise and
some of the players have commented thus:

S.M.Gavaskar- " Raman has one of the best cover drives in the country..
he should be pushing Ravi shastri for contenders of the top all-rounders 
spot" - after 93 by Raman and 5 wkt haul in the Irani final in 1985-86.

Viv Richards- " S.Manjrekar, N.Hirwani and W.V.Raman seem exciting
and promising players..." - after Final test in Madras 1989 and end of 
series.



---That's all for now---

sidd.ramachandran
From: sturumella@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:13:06 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <9211100123.AA24278@planck.ece.scarolina.edu>, rajagopa@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (Sundararaman Rajagopal) writes:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> With the first test of the series just a few days from now I thought it was
> appropriate to discuss who will make it to the final eleven of the Indian
> team.With most of the players picking themselves, according to me there is just
> one place in the team that should be debatable.
> 
> And that is whether an extra batsman is to be played or to stick with the same
> composition that played against Zimbabwe.Looking at past records it is only
> prudent to go with the former option.Indian team has always done badly in the
> first test match of a series after which we have come back strongly in the rest
> of the test matches.Infact under Azhar's captaincy there is a 100% record of
> India losing its first test except for the one test match against Zim.
> 
> Going with the first option the man to be left out is definitely Raju who had
> a real bad test against Zim.Also the faster tracks in SA,would tend to help
> Kumble better than Raju if we are going in with a spinner.I also think we shouldgo in with a specialist spinner rather than 4 pacers since if 3 of them cant do the job then it is unlikely that the fourth one is going to do it.
> 
> Raman should be retained although it was not by any means a great performance
> against Zim.Shastri is our best opener after Sunny retired.It is infact true
> that Shastri's performance as an opener has been remarkable.He has scored 
> atleast 4 centuries since then and everyone of them as an opener.Add to that
> the matchwinning 89 against sriLanka in India.Remember all the 4 tons came in
> foriegn soil - 1 against WI,2 in England and a double century in Australia.
> Hence it is tough to drop him although he is not in the best of nicks.
> 
> That leaves us with either Jadeja or Amre.I would say Amre since he is a test
> match player and has played well in the limited chances he has got.Also Jadeja
> primarily being an opener will not fit into the middleorder.Also it is not
> advisable at this stage to keep changing his order in the batting lineup.
> 
> Hence my team would be:
> 
> Shastri
> Raman
> Manjrekar
> Tendulkar
> Azhar
> Amre
> Kapil Dev
> Prabhakar
> More
> Srinath
> Kumble
> 
> Discussions welcome!
> 
> Raj.
> 
infact shastri scored his first century as an opener(i think it was his
first century too) in pakistan in 82 series. gavaskar was the captain
and shastri opened in the final match i think and scored a century. but
immediatly kapil replaced gavaskar as the captain for WI tour and gaekwad
was recalled to open the innings. he too failed miserably and again i think
in the final match of that series shastri scored 102 as an opener. 
srinivas
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From: ahmed@ee.tamu.edu (Jubayer Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Please don't pick on Dr. Rao! was Re: PM XI beats WI
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:41:14 GMT


I second Nalin's motion. There are not many people on the net who are a   
constant source of information like Dr. KSR. I have been following his 
postings for a long long time. I have a shell command made by Dr. Rao's 
name so that whenever I login it shows me the current status of any ongoing 
game. If you dont understand by the context of the posting what it means 
even if there is some kind of typing error or something, then I doubt if 
you deserve to read rsc. If you don't like his posting, just skip it. Please 
don't flame him. If we just disregard the time which is required to gather 
so much information about a game, just the typing itself consumes appreciable 
amout of time, which is very difficult to afford. A gentleman is showing 
some generosity by doing so and we should be grateful to him for his constant 
feedback. Instead we are picking him for some typo or misspell. Hey, come 
on guys, we are not paying him for this job and therefore, we should'nt 
faulter him for typo or misspell. So please, refrain from flaming a person 
(any person, not only Dr. Rao) if that person is providing us enormous 
amount of information by wasting his own time and effort. A big occasion is 
coming and we need Dr. Rao's postings. So:

PLEASE, DON'T KILL ONE OF OUR BIG SOURCES OF INFORMATION ON R.S.C. 
 
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From: colin@physci.uct.ac.za (COLIN HENDERSON)
Subject: India vs. SA pres. XI, end of 1st day
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:04:08 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

At stumps, the Presidant XI were 268 all out.

Louis Koen stroked a sparkling 49, Hansie Cronje 73, Errol Stewart 41, and 
Kenneth Mahuwa a patient 29.  The tailenders waved the bat a bit as well.

Prabhakar was getting great swing, and ended with 3/38 off 17.  Bannerjee 
looked fairly innocuous with 1/26 off 13.  Raju: 2/57 off 19,  Srinath was 
punished particularly by Cronje and Koen and took 2/58 off 14.  Sharma was 
wayward and conceded 52 runs off 12 overs.  Shastri took 2/24 off 14.  A hot 
day, not a great crowd.   More was very busy behind the stumps, taking 5 
catches (most of them straightforward) and one stumping.

Allan Lamb hit another superb century, scoring 134 in 228 min, 174 balls 
with 21 fours and one straight driven six.  Most of the boundaries were 
again crashed through the covers.  He hit 10 of the fours off a luckless 
Snell.  Another two fingers for the English selectors. Love it!  W.P ended 
on 318/5

Border 199, (Otis Gibson, a West Indian, 78* off 61 balls.) Natal 144/5 (
Rhodes 63 (a bit black and blue from some Gibson deliveries), Rice 33.)

E.P. 321/8 against OFS, with the tail wagging like anything.




--

Colog "nku-e-shweleng" the Henderdog
Physics Dept, UCT, South Africa.
From: vedi@engr.latech.edu (Puneet Vedi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Ind/SA ? Kya khabar laye ho ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:50:51 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	BETE, SUNNY!  KHABAR THO HAMEIN BHI NAHIN HAIN KI KYA HO RAHA HAIN.
AGAR TUMHE KUCH PATHA CHALE THO HAMEIN BHI KHABAR KAR DENA.  THEEK HAIN?

	ATCHA THO JO BHOLE SO NIHAL.... SATH SHRI AKAL.

WITH REGARDS,

VEDI
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Zim v NZ D5 lunch
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:35:25 -0600
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        NZ declared their innings at 222 for 5 after going for quick runs.
Greatbatch was out for 88 in this innings. He missed out a century in both the
innings (he was 87 in the first). Zimbabwe have 75 overs to play and need 369
for a win. The latest score is (possibly lunc) ; 32 for no loss
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Zim v NZ T2 D5 Tea
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:15:01 -0600
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     12 Nov 1992

NZ v Zim  D5

      NZ declared their second innings 262 for 5 before lunch setting Zimbabwe
a total of 315 for a win in 68 or 69 overs. Rutherford was out this morning for
89. Deepak Patel was not out with 58.

     Zimbabwe are 28 for 3 a few minutes after lunch.

     The latest score (at 12:45 GMT) is : Zimbabwe 71 for 7. Campbell is the
highest scorer so far with 35. Patel took four of the five wickets that fell
since lunch. He is 4 for 22 in 9 overs.

    At Tea, Zimbabwe were 94 for 8. Patel took five wickets. The latest score
is 127 for 8 with about 25 overs still to be bowled.


    For the test at Kingsmead, Donald has been found fit and will play in the
first test match of the 'Friendship Tour'.



Aus PM XI v WI

     An Australian PM XI beat Australia by 3 runs in Canberra. PM XI scored 233
for 7 in 50 overs. Dean Jones scored 76 and Bevin scored scored 58. Ian Bishop
took two wickets. In reply WI scored 230 for 9. Reiffel took four wickets while
David Williams scored 59.
From: barnard@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Etienne Barnard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SA team observations
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:48:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ford.barnard.721565317
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa

sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:

... text deleted ...

>	And can someone comment on the selection of Omar Henry ?? I know
>he's been doing great in the Castle Cup (or decently, anyhow), but I didnt
>think he had any chance of making the team here ! I mean, is Kingsmead
>expected to take turn ??? Considering it was the home ground of Van Der
>Bijl and Procter (and Le roux?) when it was supposedly really fast, the
>spinner was the last thing I expected. Has the ground changed character ??

... text deleted ...

The best explanation I can find for the South African team selection
is "age before beauty". Half the top order played their best
cricket the best part of ten years ago; the last time Henry performed
consistently for more than three consecutive matches was ... wait, has
he ever?

I know of only one South African batsman younger than 30 with arguable
international class; yet he was unceremoniously dumped despite a more
consistent run of success than any batsman in the team (including top
scores in both innings' for the President's XI). [OK, make that one
batsman besides Hudson.]

In all, one has to say that the choice of this weak team bodes ill for
the future -- no top-order batsman younger than 30 with a first-class
average above 35, an opening bowler (Schultz) who has captured 5
wickets in an innings only twice in his career, a spinner who surely
does not have a sub-30 bowling average over the past five years
(against the world's worst players of spin) ...

People like Barlow have been quite critical of the lack of foresight
in choosing this mixture of geriatrics and unproven "talent"; the
South African Cricket Board has done most other things well, and I
hope that some long-term thinking about team choices will soon enter
into their policy-making.

As for bowlers such as Matthews and De Villiers (who have probably
been the most successful non-West-Indian bowlers in the local
competitions so far) -- there is a feeling that pacier bowlers of
lower quality (Jack, Schultz, Bosch) will be more successful against the
Indian side. Whether this is true, only the future will tell.
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From: ravikane@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ravindra Shantaram Kane)
Subject: Re: 199, 299, 499 !
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:27:18 GMT


Azhar scored 199 vs. srilanka
I think Mudassar Nazar also got out on 199 against India(am not sure)
I think Bradman had a score of 299.
the score of 499 was made by Hanif Mohammed in a first class cricket
match.
-ravi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: WI-WA and Shield matches
Keywords: Windies, Western Aust, Queensland, South Aust, Victoria, NSW
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:58:31 GMT

At WACA, Perth
West Indies
D Haynes	c Moody b Julian		52
P Simmons	c Veletta b Julian		15
B Lara		C Moody b Angel			55
C Hooper	c Moody b Angel 		 5
K Arthurton	c Zoehrer b Angel		 7
G Logie		b Angel				49
J Adams		c Zoehrer b Julian		52
D Williams	lbw b Julian			19
C Ambrose	c Zoehrer b Julian		 0
K Benjamin	not out				13
P Patterson	b Angel				 6
Sundries (1 lb, 6 nb)				 7
Total					       280

FOW 40,117,131,132,139,214,248,248,269,280

Bowling
B Reid		18-4-62-0
T Alderman	18-3-52-0
B Julian	20-3-72-5
J Angel		20.4-6-59-5
W Andrews	10-0-34-0

In reply last heard Western Australia were 1/72 (G Marsh c ? b Ambrose 7,
Veletta 29 n.o. and Langer 31 n.o.)

Julian and Angel overshadowed Reid and Alderman. Looks like bowlers are
going to dominate this series.
	
Sheffied Shield
at Sydney
NSW 8/377 (Steve Waugh 0 (first ball to Merv), M Taylor 102, Mark Waugh 88
M Bevan 68, and 64 by someone I didn't catch name, Merv Hughes 6/83)

First day some time was lost due to rain.  NSW were 2/18 and then
recovered well
Steve Waugh got unplayable chest high ball and gave simple catch similar
to last summer many of indian batsmen gave.  When Mark Waugh was presumed
to be dropped from Test side, he scored 88.  Big Merv in great form.

Victoria 1/115 (W Phillips 54 n.o., Nobes 42)



at Gabba, Brisbane

South Australia 178 ( Blewett 17, Fielke 21, Brayshaw 49, Siddons 30,
Sleep 18 n.o., McDermott 4/48, Tazelaar 4/39, Rowell 2/28)

McDermott and Tazellar destroyed SA on supposedly batting wicket.

Queensland 6/426 ( Hayden 77, Barsby 49, Law 69, Gogin 120, Storey 21,
Border 12, Healy 26 n.o., McDermott 14 n.o.)


Patrik Smithers in AGE writes opening spot will be contested between
Mathew Hayden and Wayne Phillips (no mention of G Marsh) and Middle
order will have contest for one spot among Waugh twins and Damien
Martyn.  Selectors must be in real tight spot with so many people doing
well.

At South Africa
Heard Cronje made 73 as Board President's XI bowled out for 258,
Prabhakar 3/38



rakesh
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*   email : rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au   * (03) 344 6728                      *
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From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Vinod Kambli
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:50:52 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <11NOV199200433205@utarlg.uta.edu> d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN) writes:
>YOU suggest no regional biases and quotas ..but for 
>every B.Arun and T.A.Sekhar you come up w/, I can come up w/ a Dhiraj Parsana,
>a Suru Nayak and a Ghulam Parkar...and these guys got in not only b'cos of 
>the "Godfather Syndrome" but b'cos they probably played squash w/
>Sunny Gavaskar in Bombay Gymkhana.
>
>Sidd.R.

They probably did! Played squash I mean. But they were given no more
chances than were T.A. Sekhar, B. Arun, etc. Parkar, in particular, I 
thought, was not given his fair due.

Srikkanth is a case in point. He was an extremely entertaining batsman.
But during the initial stages of his career, he was lucky enough to get
the number of chances he got. But of course, he made the most of it,
and went on to become an excellent partner to Gavaskar. But that precisely
is my point. If there really were regional biases against him because he was 
from TN, he probably wouldn't have gotten the number of chances he did, and 
he wouldn't have become the dreaded opener that he became.

Replace Srikkanth with let's say, Ramnath Parkar. Had Parkar been treated
the same way as Srikkanth was, we'd all be screaming, "Bombay favoritism!"
at some point or the other...
From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Subject: Re: Request for info on cricket telecast.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov13.183900.3395@bnr.ca>, charan@crchh448.BNR.CA (Cliff Shivcharan) writes:
>Hi All,
>
>As a newcomer to the world of satellite tv, I would appreciate if
>someone could PLEASE post any info on the telecast of the current
>WI cricket tour of Australia - or for that matter info on telecast of any
>on going cricket tours. The info I am looking for is the satellite and the

     As it stands now, nothing is known about telecasting of the games of WI
tour or Indian tour of SA or others. The birds to watch for the telecast to WI
of their games in Australia would be G6 and G2. If I find any of those games on
any of the C-band birds, the information will be posted on this newsgroup. I do
hope that at least one of the three series will have the games on a satellite
over here.


>transponder as well as any other info you may feel is relevant. If this info
>is not available, then from past experiences, what are the likely birds/
>transponders should I check? Your help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>Cliff.
K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

Department of Electrical Engineering
North Dakota State University
Fargo, ND 58105  USA

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From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Subject: Re: Ball Tampering
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:48:38 GMT

In article <BxBEGq.KCB@cs.psu.edu>, tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
> In article <EeyTfJK00WBNE9W2h6@andrew.cmu.edu> Abid Aziz <aa2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> >Controversy over Pakistani bowlers doctoring the ball did not start in
> >the WORLD CUP; this is because Pakistan was unsuccessful until the later
> >stages.  If Pakistan are losing, not even the Hot-Headed English players
> >and media raise the question.  It is only when the Pakistani bowlers are
> 
> But Waqar & Akram did not bowl side-by-side in the World Cup. So your
> argument is rather weak...
> 
> Mahesh.

So your point is that the Pakistanis only cheat when Akram and Waqar bowl  
together??. If that guys argument was weak then your argument is as weak as my
ability to bowl swinging yorkers all day at 90 mp/hr. My advice to you is to 
get up and smell the roses the writing is on the wall.

             ___ 
 Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Damien Martin
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.BxB5rv.L0u
Organization: Rice University


A trivial correction ...


In article <1992Nov6.202335.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, operator@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

|> When Sachin Tendulkar was introduced to Test Cricket he was only 18 and as


Actually, he was just 16 (not 18). It's already been 3 years since he made his
test debut!


|> all have seen his early introduction has not done any harm.I am sure the 
|> same can be said of Martin, it's been sometime since Australia produced a
|> prodigy like him.Let's hope and pray Damien Martin will be around for long
|> to entertain all Cricket lovers around Australia and all over the world.

PVR
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 07:20:37 -0500 
From: Abid Aziz <aa2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ball Tampering
	<EeyTfJK00WBNE9W2h6@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 10:26:10 +0000
From: rsp@ukc.ac.uk
To: aa2x+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Ball Tampering.
 
Hello fellow netter!
     I'm afraid I just had to respond to your news article about ball
tampering.
Firstly, I would like to say that Pakistani ball tampering has in fact been
captured on film by BBC television. Aqib Javed was clearly shown gouging the
ball with his finger nail. This elicited quite an energetic response
from Richie
Benaud who was commentating at the time. Also, you talk of the hot-headed
England players accusing the Pakistani players. In fact the only England player
to do so was Allan Lamb, so I think the other players should be praised for
distancing themselves from it. I don't really appreciate your accusation that
the English are all jealous. Please don't confuse the English tabloid press
with the English public, they are two quite different entities. I have to admit
that what some of the newspapers wrote was indeed motivated by jeolousy
as they 
were constantly accusing Waqar and Wasim (2 superb bowlers almost every
Englishman will admit) of ball tampering whereas the only player to have been
shown doing it (as far as I know) was Aqib Javed. They presumably didn't
accuse 
him because he wasn't the same threat to the England batsmen. The tabloid
press always find some way of stirring up trouble when Pakistan tour.
     Another point that should be made is that during the penultimate ODI the
umpires changed the ball during the interval. This must have been because they
thought it had been tampered with since this is the only circumstance where
the umpires can change the ball without being approached by the fielding
captain.
     I don't mean to start an argument here but I felt I just had to  set the
record straight. I certainly think that Pakistan do get an unfair amount of
accusations of cheating because of their success as all other countries have
been involved in cheating at some stage and no doubt some still are. Mike
Gattings behaviour during the last tour of Pakistan is certainly not something
that us English are at all proud of.
     Sorry I couldn't put this on r.s.c. but I might have got into trouble
with the University administrators.
             Thanks for listening.    Robert Pickett. (an unjealous Englishman)