From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: what are we talking about ? [english]
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:07:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.

In article <CLAUDE.92Jul28185346@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:


Claude>Kuno>   1) Use fj.misc as a "place for gaikokujin-posts" forever, or
Claude>Kuno>      for some time.

I think this is only a comment of Mr. Kuno, not his real opinion.

Claude>I don't think it would be a good solution. There will be very great
Claude>opposition and this will not create incentives for a "foreigner"
Claude>community inside JP. I propose to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that 
Claude>"foreigners" will be using fj.misc until they RECEIVE a more suitable
Claude> newsgroup.

And how it is difficult to "receive" this newsgroup !

THIS IS NOT A FLAME (tm) and CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG (tm)  :) :)
  What I think that happened so far (maybe cronological order, names omitted):
    - Some people ask another people for the idea (not only me)
    - Started postings in fj.misc about foreigners
    - Somebody said that we do not need such a group because he cannot
      see the need (1)
    - We (naive foreigners) posted a LOT of articles talking about a LOT
      of subjects (2)
    - Other people complain in japanese about the usage of the correct
      newsgroup (3) 
    - We broked the record of discussions in the name of the group

  What I think will happen if this trend continues:

    - Since almost nobody seeks fj.misc frequently, we have to expect that
      just a few people will join the discussions. I said before that 
      some people will get interested if they can see in the group names
      lists the name "fj.life-in-japan". 
    - Since it is taking a looong time (2) to get something done, some
      people will give up - and I can understand this. I checked some
      names that started posting and were very interested and now
      stopped posting.

NOTES
  (1) I do not see the need for some groups, including in fj hierarchy,
      but if some people wants and posts to it, why not ? I am not 
      interested in some groups, but I will not post anything against 
      the creations. I believe that everybody has the right for a 
      place to meet people with the same interests.
      BTW, there are some fj.* groups with almost no posting in they
      (at least received by my server) and surely a lot of groups with
      LESS postings than fj.misc about fj.life-in-japan. Nobody can
      say that there is no interest about our group...
  (2) I know that there are some rules for creation of the newsgroup,
      but did anybody remember when this discussion started ? Is it
      normal that some people wanting to create a newsgroup had to
      find a place to post to prove somebody that there are interested
      people ? I know, it is good to start soon the postings, but IMHO
      soon somebody will say that we do not need a newsgroup, because
      we have fj.misc :(
  (3) That was funny. Which is the correct newsgroup for us, now ?
      Maybe somebody will create fj.dev.null for us :)

So, (finally speaking about the title of the posting), what are we talking
about ? And, more important, until when we will talk about it ?

[Note in a incomprehensible language]

Ei, Claude, voce tambem nao e brasileiro ?

Rafael Santos : santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp
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