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From: thompson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Thompson)
Subject: Re: distances
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:29:22 GMT

cpeterse@cs.ulowell.edu (chrispy) writes:


>Here are my distances:

>sw:	Dont have one
>pw:	Dont have one
>9:	1ft(when-in-the-sand) - 110
>8:	50-120	           (i get under it a lot)
>7:	60-130
>6:	20-140             (this is where i start to skull it)
>5:	20-150
>4:	20-160
>3:	Dont have one
>2:	Dont have one

>1w:	50(worm-burner) - forest(40 yds lateral)
>3w:	100(high tee) - 200(deep ruff right, when aiming far left)
>putter:		3-putts-per-green
>handicap:	off-the-scale
>balls/round:	4
>cases of poison
>ivy per season: 2
>years playing:	more than i'm willing to admit
>why i continue to play:		only god knows.
>chris.

SW - buy one its easier to play out of sand with a sand iron than a 9
iron
As for all the rest - either get some lessons or swing SLOWER , don't
try to hit it so hard.... 3 putts per green if u can knock it back to 2
thats 18 shots off your score.
Why u continue to play...
Its a relaxing game to enjoy ... also keeps u out of the house!
ps.. we don't have poison ivy, just flies in the summer



Keep trying or keep crying

Good Golfing


Dave T.

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From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: cook blows the open
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:45:56 GMT

In article <BrpvLn.5zG@acsu.buffalo.edu> v5875bza@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michae
l M Gorman Jr) writes:
>In a way, isn't it a mistake to say that Cook blew the open on
>the last two holes?  The reason he came in second is that he hadd
>one more stroke  o v e r  7 2   h o l e s.   A bogey in the first
>round is just as bad for your score as a bogey in the last round,
>right?
>
>Michael G

Cook lost it on #9 when the hit his drive OB. Gads, that was the tournament! 
Forget the single stroke mishaps, he gave away two strokes to Faldo, then had
to hit from the same place that he gave two strokes away from. OB sucks!

Cook almost won, but Faldo on Saturday was playing killer golf. He just didn't 
make mistakes. When other mortals were hitting at least one bunker he didn't, 
and when he did his next shot was within 3 feet of the hole. Faldo played the 
last two holes like a true champ. 17-almost eagle for birdie, 18-almost birdie 
for par.

And I have to say that it's still nice to see someone like Faldo, who has won
majors, get all choked up about winning. Faldo wants to win! Sure he's a
millionaire, but he wants to win! Someone with that much drive will be back in
the winners circle again.


Why did Cook only play in two British opens in the last 12 years?

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From: panu@sol.acs.unt.edu (Sittiwong Panu)
Subject: Re: Practice methods
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:19:34 GMT

>>So now I am wondering what sort of practice methods people use
>>when they can't/don't go to the range?  
>> 
>>Thanks,
>>Chuck  
>>-- 

I'm thinking about setting up the Driving Net in my backyard and then hitting
the ball off the old carpet.  Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Panu Sittiwong
Academic Computing Services
Univ. of North Texas
Denton, TX 76203                             Panu@unt.edu

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Rules: Ground Under Repair
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:52:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <cmhaar-250792141000@mac2867-2.chem.nwu.edu> cmhaar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Chris Haar) writes:

>My approach shot to the green went long and landed on the far side;
>however, the greenskeepers were doing some minor construction where my ball
>landed, i.e., ground under repair.
>
>My question: Where do I seek relief?  

Rule 25-1b(i) Through the Green:  If the ball lies _through_the_green_,
the point on the _course_ nearest to where the ball lies shall be 
determined which (a) is not nearer the hole, (b) avoids interference
by the condition, and (c) is not in a _hazard_ or on a _putting_green_.
The player shall lift the ball and drop it without penalty within one
club-length of the point thus determined on ground which fulfills (a),
(b) and (c) above.

(Underlined terms denote official USGA terminology.)

>If my ball lands in ground under
>repair, I am allowed to seek relief anywhere along the original path of
>flight of the ball as long as the ball is moved no closer to the hole,
>correct?  

If you're read above, you now know this is wrong.  The path of a ball
is impossible to replicate or prove, and as such has no significance
in the application of any rule, except for the tiny part of a path that
designates the point at which a ball entered a hazard.

>But since my ball went over the green, I had a choice between
>moving it closer to the hole or out into some really nasty undergrowth,
>which is unfair because had the ground not been under repair, I would have
>had a good lie in short grass. 

1. You don't *have* to take the relief.

2. Golf, like life, isn't always fair.

>This situation was not addressed in the
>local course rules, and I'm curious how USGA rules apply.

The reason it wasn't addressed by local rules is probably because
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Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 13:25:25 EDT
From: <RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Favorite shots to WATCH?

In reading the give-and-take about TV coverage of the British Open, I seem to
get the impression that most of us would rather watch drives, approach, and
perhaps trouble shots by anyone on the course than just watch the leaders putt,
putt, putt.  I think I would rather see those beginning shots than endless putt
ing.  What do you think?  Is disinterest widespread amongst us duffers?  Larry
:)
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From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Increasing distance
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:16:32 GMT
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warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) writes:

>My wife is a relative beginner who has reached the point where she
>hits consistently with all her clubs, but gets only about 150 yds
>on her drives and proportionally less with other clubs.  
>She is physically strong enough to hit much further, but not sure
>what to try yet.  We live in a remote area and so far haven't...

Most of the women that I see play have a tendency to decelerate through
the ball rather than accelerate.  If your wife is hitting the ball solid,
watch her swing, she might not be "hitting through the ball".

Mark
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Rules Question
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:10:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.163942.27215@convex.com>, sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> Would it be any different if B asked the question after he (and
|> >|> everyone else) had completed their shots?  Would the advice help
|> >|> further along in the round?
|> >
|> >  No - you can't ask for advice from your opponent - anytime during the round!!
|> >
|> >
|> >-Ron Birnbaum
|> 
|> I think you got this one wrong Ron.  It is true that you can never ask or give
|> advice during a round, but this situation is NOT advice.

  Ahhh - I guess I'm glad I called the USGA for a free copy of the rules!!
  You have to study the rules to be able to play by the rules - and not
  playing by the rules isn't really playing golf!

|> Rule 8 defines advice as follows:
|> "Advice" is any counsel or suggestion which could influence a player in
|> determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.
|> 
|> After both players have hit, they may discuss club selection to their hearts
|> content because it CANNOT influence the shot which just occured.  However, if
|> there were a third player who had not hit who could overhear them, I would deem
|> that they would both be guilty of giving advice.
|> 
|> Note that the definition says "could" influence.  Any reasonable possibility of
|> influencing is consisdered advice, like:
|> Sure is a strong wind in our face.
|> Boy that looks like a fast put.
|> Etc.

  I sit corrected! Thank you!

-Ron


|> Ron Sercely
From: rayaprol@kasi.pilgrim.umass.edu (Venu S Rayaprolu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: greenhorn (not) learning to swing
Keywords: Hit the ground
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: rayaprol@kasi.pilgrim.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst

In article <1220031@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
|> 
|> One of the best things I was told when I started was that I shouldn't be
|> afraid to hurt the grass.  From what I've heard, fresh-air shots and tops are
|> the most common problems when starting to learn because people are afraid they
|> might hit the ground with their club.
|> 

sometimes I feel like I'm still trying to overcome this. I pick the the ball 
mighty clean once in a while.

|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> Ian Watson, HP Pinewood Information Systems Division, England.
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Venu S. Rayaprolu
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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: practice makes perfect????
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:29:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah

>>> story about swing keys and practice deleted <<<

In golf, not all of the traps are filled with sand (heavy, dude).  
The search for the "mechanical thought" that will transform one's 
swing is endless.

I believe one of the biggest problems for recreational golfers
is in translating practice to the course.  One of the reasons
for this is that practice usually involves concentration on
mechanics (often done through swing keys), but concentrating 
on mechanics while playing golf is deadly.

The topic of what occupies the mind while addressing and 
hitting a golf ball is vast and complicated (or it's small and
simple).  Some golfers try to quell the din by repeating one 
mechanical thought (like some religious litany in times of 
distress).  Although occasionally effective, this tactic only
interfers with visualization.


jeff

feitctaj 
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From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Subject: Re: YAGR (yet another golf ruling)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:01:14 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <ILH.92Jul30095125@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu writes:
>Can anybody quote any USGA decisions on this topic?  Surely there must
>be a clear interpretation of an animal picking up your ball (not
>simply the ball bouncing off an animal) in the USGA's decisions.
>
>There is a note to Rule 19-1...
>
>Note: If the referee or Committee determines that a player's ball has
>been purposely deflected or stopped by an `outside agency', Rule 1-4
>applies to the player.  If the outside agency is a fellow-competitor
>or his caddie, Rule 1-2 applies to the fellow-competitor.
>
>[Sure sounds like the outside agency (gull) purposely deflected/stopped
>the ball.  It didn't merely bounce off of it because it couldn't get
>out of the way in time.]
>
>Rule 1-4.
>  If any point is not covered by the Rules, the decision shall be made
>in accordance with equity.
>
>[The equitable action would be to replace the ball where it was picked
>up, but that's my opinion.]
>--
>
>--Lee Hetherington


The closest decision I can find is 19-1/6.

Q. A ball played from off the green was about a foot from the hole and still in
motion when it was moved by a dog to a spot about ten feet from the hole.  The
ball was either deflected by the dog or the dog picked it up, ran with it and
dorpped it.  What is the ruleing?

A. If the ball was deflected, it would be played as it lay, without penalty,
from the spot to which it was moved by the dog -- Rule 19-1.

If the dog picked up the ball, the player should have placed the ball, without
penalty, as near as possible to the spot where the original ball was when the
dog picked it up -- Rule 19-1a.

Ron 
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From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Re: YAGR (ball in tree)
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:43:59 GMT

nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
> know (both were new balls). I suggested that he might want to 
> go back and hit five off the tee but relented since he had an awful
> score already and I wasn't into an argument. He hit the worst of the
> two which was "fair" but of course was not correct. I wasn't keeping
> his score. I wonder what I would have done had he beat me out of a 
> prize (he didn't since neither of us won anything).

> Had he won any prize I would have been tempted but most likely
> would not have brought the matter to the attention of the scorers.

> Mike N.

Problem with this, of course, is that if you were his marker, you could
be disqualified if you signed his scorecard.

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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Rules, Rules and more Rules
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:15:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.020928.7458@nas.nasa.gov>, dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
|> I was out playing a casual round of golf with a buddy.  No big deal
|> match just a couple dollar nassau.  I was preparing to putt and I
|> accidentally got to close to the ball during my practice swing routine.
|> I just clipped the ball with my putter and it moved a few feet.  I
|> picked up the ball and replaced it.  I then made the putt.  We got to
|> discussing this once the hole was done.  I was under the impression
|> that there was no penalty for this because of the definition of a
|> stroke, there must be intent to move the ball.  My buddie thought it
|> might be a penalty.  I got out my trusty USGA Rules of Golf book.
|> I first looked up Rule 14 regarding striking the ball.  No problem
|> there.  I had no intention of fairly striking the ball and moving it
|> forward.  This is why my situation was different than Donna Andrews.
|> So now it was off to rule 18-2.
|> 
|> Rule 18 is Ball Moved, deflected or stopped.
|> 
|> 18-2.  By Player, Partner, Caddie or Equipment.
|> 
|> a. GENERAL
|> When a player's ball is in play, if:
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is your key, the ball was in play and you moved it.  1 stroke penalty.

|>  (i) the player, his partner, or either of their caddies lifts or
|>  moved it, touches it purposely (except with a club in the act of
|>  addressing it) or causes it to move except as permitted by a Rule, or
|>  (ii) equipment of the player or his partner causes the ball to move,
|> the player shall incur a penalty stroke.  The ball shall be replaced
|> unless the movement of the ball occurs after the player has begun his
|> swing and he does not discontinue his swing.
|> Under the Rules no penalty is incurred if a player accidentally causes
|> his ball to move in the following circumstances:
|> (8 special cases none applying to my situation)
|> 
|> So the question is, was I mistaken that if you hit the ball during a
|> practice swing there is no penalty?  Sometimes you hear these sort of
|> things from someone and end up accepting them as fact when they are
|> not.  Am I missing something?

You were mistaken.  Remember though that the ball has to be in play on the 
hole.  If you are on the teeing ground and do this, replace the ball, no 
penalty because the ball has not been put in play yet.

|> 
|> I took the penalty stroke under rule 18-2, but was glad to see I was
|> correct in replacing the ball.

Good man.  Although, I probably wouldn't have in a friendly game.  :*)

|> 
|> Dan King
|> 

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From: enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel)
Subject: Re: greenhorn (not) learning to swing
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:28:17 GMT

A big thank-you to all the many friendly golfers who responded to my
posting.  You've given me lots of useful advice.  I'll learn to hit
that darned ball yet...     Robert Enenkel
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From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Subject: YAGR (ball in tree)
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:59:24 GMT

Anybody know what happens if your ball stops in a tree?  Do you treat
is an an unplayable lie?  Can you shake the tree?

I seem to remember something in the US Open at Pebble Beach with Faldo
shaking or climbing a tree to get his ball.  I never found out how it
all worked out.

Thanks, I've always been curious of this situtation.
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--Lee Hetherington
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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Re Name Your Favourite Golf Ball!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.185523.24653@meaddata.com>, brad@meaddata.com (Brad Craig) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.223945.2690@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, fin@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
|> |> Optima Tour the ONLY Golf Ball.
|> 
|> We all know there's only one name in golf balls:
|> 
|> RANGE
|> 
|> :-)
|> 
|> -- 
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But only if they have the Red Stripe!

The ones without stripes are not nearly as good.

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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Scandinavian Masters
Uucp-Path: mcvax!kth!sunic!enea.se!tope
Reply-To: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Organization: Enea Data AB, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:34:31 GMT

Scandinavian Masters begun yesterday with a prologue. It was a foursome
with four competing countries, which is meant to replace the illegal
appearance money many players requests. Since Germany (and thereby Langer)
weren't invited to the foresome, he will not play in Scand. Masters.

Spain           (Ballesteros/Olazabal) won the foresome on par 72, $50,000
Sweden          (Forsbrand/Johansson) were second on 75,           $35,000
USA             (Stadler/Don Blake) third with 77,                 $17,000
Great Britain   (Faldo/Lyle) last with 78,                         $17,000

USA is underrepresented both in the foresome and in the Masters due to
comittments in USA and preparation for PGA (Couples was scheduled for the
foresome, he and Pavin played last year in the Masters).

The money for the first price is the same as last year, 100,000 pounds,
roughly equivalent to $180,000. The course, however, is totally different.
The very easy Drottningholm course in Stockholm, where Couples played a 61
(including a 3-putt from 5 feet!) is replaced by Barseback in the south
of Sweden. With wind like yesterday, the cut would be around par.

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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Ruling Question
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.183852.13245@chiton.ucsd.edu> martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:

>
> you MAY do is to replace a broken club with another one, but this
>applies only if the club was broken in a manner other than caused by normal
>play 

OOPS! As the example that followed indicated, I meant to say the opposite:

You MAY replace a broken club with another one if the original club was
broken during the normal course of play.

(i.e., you MAY replace a 5-iron that broke as you were taking a stroke,
>but you MAY NOT replace a club that broke when you smashed it into a tree out
>of anger).

Sorry if it caused confusion.

Martin
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From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Another Ruling Question
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:04:03 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Am I allowed (using a tee) to check the ground for hidden rocks? I don't
want to ding my new clubs, I don't consider this improving my lie, just
checking my lie, I understand how this would be illegal in a trap, but
elsewhere?
Tom
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