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From: ccjwm@marlin.jcu.edu.au (John Miller)
Subject: Re: Who will open for Aus? (was Re: Mathew Heyden)
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:52:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.115707.1@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au> ccrob@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.054212.10996@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mikef@dph1.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Blind Boy Grunt) writes:
>> Given that Mark Taylor is assured of one opening position the selectors 
>> only need to decide who will get the other. I can see the following

Maybe for tests but PLEASE, not for one-days.  His innings of 84 for NSW
against WA last sunday was far too slow.  He doesn't look for singles
enough to compensate for his lack of ability to play attacking shots 
regularly.  He and Marsh are the same in this respect.  I don't think
either should open in the ODIs.

>Personally, I think it would be crazy to put Hayden in at this stage. Okay,
>he's had a brilliant debut season, and a pretty impressive start to this one.
>However, he might be better served to have to suffer the second season blues,
>before taking on the highest level. He hasn't really had to struggle yet in
>this country (in terms of form, pitches or amazingly good bowling), and one 
>would imagine that being worked out in a Test with no previous experience is
>potentially career threatening (look at how fast Glenn Trimble's first class
>career nose-dived once he lost confidence).

I still say, give him a chance (even though it deprives Qld of his services).
Who knows, he could well turn out to be another champion.  His youth and the
good reflexes etc that go along with that may well stand him in good stead
against the pace of the Windies.

>I hope Marsh's early form holds. He is needed - particularly with neither Waugh
>getting runs this weekend (although they've only had one innings, so it's too
>early to judge). It would be nice to see all three (plus the rest of course)
>making plenty in the next month.
>

>Rob's batting side (assuming Swampy is in form) would be Taylor, Marsh, Boon, 
>Jones, Bevan, Border, Mathews, Healy. If one or more of those aren't up to 
>scratch by the first Test, it could be interesting...

Mine (for tests anyway) would be Taylor, Hayden, Boon, Jones, (Steve or 
Mark Waugh, Moody, Bevan, Siddons depending on who is in good form), Border,
Mathews, Healy.  (Is Siddons injured?  I didn't notice him in the SA team
on Saturday).

>As far as bowling is concerned, Billy, Hughes and Reid would have to be
>certainties. Other possibilities could be Holdsworth, Dodemaide, Warne and 

Reid and McDermott seem to have started the season off OK.  Maybe Merv needs
to prove his form and fitness a bit before he's a cert.  I agree that 
Holdsworth is a chance if he can display some good performances early, as
is Dodemaide, but please, NOT Warne.  There must be better bowlers than him.



John
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From: svb0224@zeus.tamu.edu (BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY V)
Subject: India vs Zimbabwe
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:52:00 GMT

        When does the test match between India and Zimbabwe start?
How many one dayers will be played and when?

Thanks in advance.

Sridhar.


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Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 11:55:28 -0400 
From: Jayashankar Swaminathan <jsdf+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Observations on the Indian team to tour Zim/SA

I fully agree with you that Shastri shouldn't have made it to the team
as a vice captain. This basically assures him of a slot in the team
irespective of his performance. All of us saw it in the two crucial
matches in the world cup against Aussies and England shastri was the
main culprit. I agree he can be kept in the 16 but not as a vice captain.
   However, I disagree with you when you indicated that Kapil is not a
cooperative member in the team. One must not forget thr fact , that he
has been given the rawest deal by the selectors all through the years,
considering the fact that he has been the captain of the side which has
won all major national tournaments ( Irani and Ranji with a team like
Haryana)
and the major world championships including the world cup.Considering
these facts there is nobody else who commanded so much respect from the
team members as he does today. Not because he is arrogant but because of
the fact that he is very friendly with juniors and always ready to learn
and teach. In the Australian tour he did everything he could to try to
put India on the rostrum ( like opening the innings, bowling 45 overs at
a stretch), I don't know of any guy who would do all that at his age and
experience.
          Azhar did make immature decisions on the field and there is
nothing wrong if such a senior player makes that remark. In fact, Azhar
should have consulted Kapil and taken decisions by giving respect to
him. I remember how Kapil used to discuss with senior players like
Mohinder before taking a decision.I think Azhar would do better if he
figures out how to keep geniuses like Kapil happy because its really a
matter of pride to have such a player playing under you.

------
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  Phone(Res) : (412)-362-9112     
  Email      : msj@cs.cmu.edu
               jsdf@andrew.cmu.edu
From: kpw105@huxley.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen)
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Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Followup-To: rec.sport.cricket
Date: 16 Oct 1992 01:00:51 GMT
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In article <1992Oct16.000153.11430@waikato.ac.nz>, sma@waikato.ac.nz
(Stephen Anderson) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct13.102723.9468@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
> > That's comparing chalk and cheese.  Thompson was just as feared as Lillee in
> > his heyday, and was a wicket taker and a nasty bowler.  As I type this I'm
> > rolling around in laughter at my teminal.  Thanks for the comic relief! 
> > Thompson/Lillee comp. to Hadlee/Chatfield..
> I think you missed the point.  Thommo was faster than Lillie, and tended to
> bounce the ball up into the ribcage.  Hence batsmen tended to relax a little
> against Lillie, forgetting that he had the full armoury to be even more deadly
> than Thompson.  So Lillie took a number of Wickets because Thommo was at the
> other end.
> 
> 
> Stephen..

Thommo was not significantly faster than the pre-back-injury Lillee - they
were both fair dinkum fast and dangerous bowlers and I dont think the
batsmen were able to relax against either.  Indeed, for this reason, both
could be said to have taken wickets because of the other.  Certainly Lillee
would have bruised as many ribcages as Thommo, and even after his injury
was a genuine fast bowler, and not a medium fast until quite late in his
career.
The fact that both bowlers were equally feared made them a far more
dangerous combination than Chatfield and Hadlee etc could ever be.  IMHO,
the relaxation factor probably helped Chatfield alot more than Lillee. 

Ken
From: alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "we are the world " t
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:11:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

HH9679A@auvm.american.edu says:
> Spin can be negated by any No 11 batsman by simply padding the
> ball away. 
Try telling that to anyone who faced O'Reilly, Grimmett, Laker, Gupte,
Prasanna, Bedi, or Chandrashekhar. Who are you trying to kid?
Shuja
From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Misc News....
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:44:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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* Dennis Lillee

The 42 year old fast (used to be) bowler and Bruce Yardley another
40+ year old bowler (spinner) have been recalled to First Class cricket.
The two bowlers will represent the Board President's XI in a game against
the visiting West Indians.  

---------------------

* Viv Richards

Viv Richards captained the West Indian team in the recently completed
Hong Kong Sixes tournament.  Does this mean that he is coming back?

----------------------
* Arjuna Ranatunga

Arjuna has been selected to lead the Lankans against the visiting 
New Zealanders.  NZ will play three tests and three one-day matches.
The tests will be at:

	1st Test - Asgiriya (Kandy)
	2nd Test - Tyronne Fernando Stadium (Moratuwa)
	3rd Test - P. Saravanamutthu Stadium / Colombo Oval (Colombo)

There will be two one-day matches played at the Khettarama Stadium and one at 
the Sinhalese Sports Club (SSC) grounds. 





- Short-square-leg
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From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: WA V Vic MM Cup
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:01:43 GMT

The first game of the MM cup was played last night in Perth, heres the
scorecard:
Vic won toss and batted
Phillips    22
Nobes       25
Jones       22
Lehmann     37
Ayres       17
O'Donnell    0
Maxwell      0
Dodemaide    0
Reiffel      0
Hughes       0
Berry        0*
Extras       9
All out    132 in 42.3 overs
WA Bowling
            O  R  W
Angel       6  22 0
Reid      7.3  30 2
Alderman    7  15 0
Julien     10  28 1
Moody       8  29 3
Martyn      4   3 3

WA
Marsh     51*
Veletta   72*
Extras    12
0 for    135 off 32.4 overs

Vic Bowling
             O   R  W
Hughes     6.4  29  0
Dodemaide    8  16  0
Reiffel      9  28  0
O'Donnell    6  36  0
Maxwell      3  20  0

WA by 10 wickets with 17.2 overs to spare.

+------------------------------------+
|  Mark Smith.                       |
|  <s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au> |
|  Churchill, Victoria, Australia.   |
|  Monash Uni Gippsland Computing    |
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From: bnataraj@uceng.UC.EDU (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: stiffer over rates for SA Tour ??
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:13:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.140255.3035@maths.nott.ac.uk> anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>In article <00962127.CD5158E0@vms.csd.mu.edu>
>5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>	       21 ovs/hr is impossible even in first class 
>>cricket (I mean non tests ).
>
>	It's hard to see why, in *principle*, Tests should be slower than
>FC cricket, or for that matter "serious" club cricket, but let that pass.
>When, some years ago, the rule was added that the umpires should signal
>when the "last hour" of a match started, and that 20 overs should then be
>bowled, it wasn't a plot to extend all the matches;  it was an attempt to
>prevent time-wasting.  20 overs was thought *then* to be a *reasonable*
>*minimum* number of overs to specify, and there have been many cases of
>teams bowling a lot more than that in the last hour when attempting to
>winkle out the opposing tail.  A pair of spin bowlers with short runs
>can *easily* get through 30, "even" in a Test.


	I still think 21 is too high. Of course it is possible, but it
would be a mad rush to complete the over-quota ( at the expense of
quality ?) For a pair of spinners to bowl 30 overs/hr  ( 2min/ over!!!)
you would need a Tavare/Mudassar/Shastri at the crease. 


>	It's only in recent years that over rates of 16, then 15, then
>12, have become normal, and even acceptable, as a tactic primarily to
>keep fast bowlers fresh.  Perhaps someone with access to detailed
>scorecards can check, but I think you will find that as many overs were
>typically bowled in the 3-day Tests of the early years of this century
>as in today's 5-day Tests.

	I find the 90 over per 5 1/2 hr. day a very adequate format
indeed. Comes to 15-16 overs/hr which is reasonable.


>	Whether 21 is a misprint, or a good idea, is another matter;
>but it most certainly isn't impossible.  If the over rate was allied
>to penalty runs, instead of to extra hours or fines, I think you would
>find it "magically" increasing back to the rates of yesteryear.

	Well of course it is not impossible. Let's say it is impractical.
And PLEASE not this solution to the problem. A similar system is followed
in the Ranji Trophy matches (Indian Domestic Tournament) and it reduces
the game to a mockery. You see penalty runs deciding the matches, which 
is a very big joke. I've seen about as high as 70-80 penalty runs per 
inning, and it makes you wonder what the point of the whole thing is ?

The 90 over per day format has none of these troubles. It is not perfect,
but in the absence of better formulas, it serves its purpose quite
adequately.
 

>Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
>anw@maths.nott.ac.uk

 Regards
Bhaskar
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From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Best SriLanakan cricket team
Date: 8 Oct 1992 08:49:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Well is Yallop and Hughes visited in the early 70s then who was in the team 
that came in the late 70s/early 80s when Guy was captain? I remember him
scoring a century in Kandy.

Perhaps, Nalin would have an idea?
- Short-square-leg ;-)



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From: ccrob@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
Subject: Re: Who will open for Aus? (was Re: Mathew Heyden)
Organization: The Prentice Centre, Uni of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:58:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.025217.14543@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, ccjwm@marlin.jcu.edu.au (John Miller) writes:
> 
> Mine (for tests anyway) would be Taylor, Hayden, Boon, Jones, (Steve or 
> Mark Waugh, Moody, Bevan, Siddons depending on who is in good form), Border,
> Mathews, Healy.  (Is Siddons injured?  I didn't notice him in the SA team
> on Saturday).

Yep, he had a groin strain or something. He's supposed to be back on deck Real
Soon Now...

I said:

>>As far as bowling is concerned, Billy, Hughes and Reid would have to be
>>certainties. Other possibilities could be Holdsworth, Dodemaide, Warne and 

So John said:

> Reid and McDermott seem to have started the season off OK.  Maybe Merv needs
> to prove his form and fitness a bit before he's a cert.  I agree that 

Fair enough.

> Holdsworth is a chance if he can display some good performances early, as
> is Dodemaide, but please, NOT Warne.  There must be better bowlers than him.

Problem is that I'm not so sure. It's been 10 years now since we've had a good
spin bowler capable of taking wickets *consistently* (ie Bruce Yardley).

I think Warne is promising, but not up to standard yet. Given Australian
success against the WIndies using leggies, I think he's a strong chance of
being in the side (at least for Sydney, and possibly Melbourne and Adelaide).
Difficult to say what will happen - it's not quite the same situation as
delaying the introduction of batsmen like Hayden or Taylor when he came on the
scene. Let's hope Mathews finally starts taking lotsa wickets and effectively 
makes the problem non-existant (but I'm not holding my breath). I really think
we need a decent spinner (ie one who can combat the opposing batsman - 
certainly not one simply for the sake of having a spinner) for this series - 
wonder how AB's bowling arm is these days?

The fast bowling also needs an injection of young, fast and agressive talent.
The time is right for Holdsworth - he's quick, strong, fit and he can slide a
decent outswinger through.

> John
From: bnataraj@uceng.UC.EDU (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Six sixers in the same over!
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:48:53 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College

In article <karnik.718742942@deci> karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

>In <1992Oct9.085716.4711@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8921366@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Paul English) writes:
>
>>I remember one of the English spinners, possibly Phil Emburey (sp?) being
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Er.... do u mean Phil Edmonds or John Emburey ? :-)
	
>>hit for six sixers in a tour game in India a few years back, but this may
>>not have been a first class match.  Anyone have any details?
>

	Anyway, i doubt this happened or i would have known, being a voracious
reader of cricket in those days.

	Bye,
	Bhaskar
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From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Subject: Ranking of teams/players
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:37:22 GMT


A lot of hassles and flaming could probably be avoided if when people stick
up lists of who they think are the greatest/most mediocre/worst, a time frame
was included in the ranking.

ie. Australia were the best one day side in the world before the world cup.
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From: hafeez@vxcrna.cern.ch (Syed Mohammad Ali)
Subject: Re: Neutrality (was Re: Australian cricket season starts ......)
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.130053.6116@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, zcaccah@ucl.ac.uk (Mr 
Christopher Harrison) writes...

> 
>Also, don't forget the fact that in the league stage during the world
>cup England whipped Pakistan. It was only the fact that it rained that
>Pakistan shared the points and allowed them into the last four as a 
>result of that extra points. They won on the day of the final, but
>they did not dominate the tournament.
> 

	By that standards  Zimbabwe is a much better team than 
	Pakistan or England, as they thrashed England in a worse
	manner than England humbled Pakistan.
From: m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Australian cricket season starts ......
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <1992Oct11.223135.15086@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU>, kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes...
>In article <1992Oct9.063911.22291@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.032838.18523@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>>>
>>Though this may seem baised, Pakistan though already "world champions in 
>>one day cricket" may also lay calims to be "test cricket world champions"
>>and if no than atleast the "Most Unpredictable Exciting Coming from 
>>near cricket team in the World" ( just like montana's 49er's, for you American
>>football fans)
>>
> 
>Indeed, the West Indies are th test cricket world champs. Do not
>decide on their present form. I can also say that Pakistan are
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^			
>ex-one day cricket world champs based on their present form after
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
being thrashed by England in the One day internationals. So, do not
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>
judge a team based on their present form.   


	you must be out of your mind to suggest that Pakistan are 
Ex-OD Champs. The WC decided the championship for the next 4 years
and no matter how bad Pak plays they will remain OD CHAMPS till '97. 
	regarding, being thrashed by england in ODs... every body
knows how much home advantage counts(specially home umpires). If
I am not mistaken, there were few very doubtful lbws in the 
second OD at a point when inzamam and javed were doing pretty good.

	Anyways, I believe the present pakistan team is THEEE best among 
all and on a neutral soil with neutral umpires it can beat any team in 
a series of either Tests or ODs.I am not talking about a single match,
like the one played in a baseball dome.

	just a reminder, in 1983 when india won the WC, it got a real
thrashing, I mean REAL THRASHING, at the hands of WI IN INDIA. I 
think WI won all the 5 or 6 ODs and also the test series without 
any loss. Now, that was embarassing......loosing at home.
	No body at that time suggested declaring india EX-Champs---
even tho india was never the favourite to win in the first place.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Sobers on batting
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:29:16 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <92282.085748SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.111534.9319@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
> says:
>>
>>/* Sober's on batting */
>>   ^^^^^^^
>>                        [etc]
>>
> is it just me, or doesn't anyone else think it rather strange that the greatest
> WI cricketer of all time, to wit, Sober's (sic), isn't involved with the selec-
> tion of the WI team? is this in anyway related to his trip to rhodesia 20 odd
> years ago?

I doubt it.  Even his most ardent fans would agree that brilliant cricketer
that he was/is, man-management and administration as a captain was not entirely
a success.  He also seems to be quite heavily involved with the Barbados
tourist board, so he may not have the time nor the inclination perhaps?  any
Bajans on the net may know more about this.

He has run coaching clinics.

> 
> Stay cool,
> The Thinker
> 
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McBean
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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Re: A few snippets from Times Of India
Reply-To: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:58:27 GMT

In article <karnik.718815669@hecto> karnik@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>In <00961E60.A287C960@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes:
>
>>I was catching up on the week-old issues of Times Of India, and read some
>>interesting comments on the selection of the Indian team to SA/Zim.
>
>	Same here!
>
>>First of all, it is reported that Vishwanath chaired one of the least
>>controversial/uncomfortable post-selection news conferences. Almost all the
>>selections were accepted with little dissent, and the only questions,
>>naturally, were about Kambli and Maninder. 
>
>	This surprised me a little, since the press is usually only too eager
>to jump at the selectors' throats whatever the selection may have been like.
>

It seems that the netters out here do a better job than the press :-) :-) :-)
>>-Murali
>--
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>Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
>University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
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