Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:14:14 EST
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Distribution: usa
 <1992Dec21.015256.18920@samba.oit.unc.edu> <92356.084627KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Dec24.045608.14245@samba.oit.unc.edu>

In article <1992Dec24.045608.14245@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) says:
>
>>>>After all of this junk, Mr. Parks, could you explain why whites are still
>>>>3 to 5 times more likely to be hired over a black applicant with the same
>>>>qualifications as the white applicant.
>
>>>Because this is incorrect.
>
>>   Terry Parks shows how smart she is here.  Without even seeing the study,  e
>sh
>>states for the world to know that it is incorrect.  I would love to have a
>>professor like Terry Parks, she would be able to hand your papers back
>>instantly, without even looking at it to grade, she would just say, "this    r
>pape
>>stinks, this one is correct" just on intuition!  Come on Terry, you are      g
>showin
>>your ignorance, loud and clear!
>
>You apparently are hoping that after reading your cute story, people will
>forget that the details of this "study" still remain secret. But, since
>you are lacking facts, keep your stories coming.
>
>>>>This study was done by the US department of labor.
>
>>   Terry Parks obviously knows nothing about the Federal Government.  I am
>>a researcher for the Fed Gov. and I can tell you from experience that the
>>government doesn't like to put out anything that shows that the U.S. is still
>>a racist society.
>
>Not true.  A classic case is their study of mortage applications. Over 5.3
>millions mortgage application were examined and not one, not a single case
>was found in these over 5.3 million applications where an applicant was
>denied a mortage because their race. And is this how the government reported
>the results? No, they cooked the data to introduce a racial bais, one
>that poor Blaks receive fewer loans than wealthy Caucasians (with the
>terms "poor" and "wealthy" omitted, to save on printing costs no doubt).
>
>>For this report to be made public, the evidence must be
>>pretty overwhelming!  But Terry Parks says the study is incorrect and thus we
>>should all ignore it!
>
>And what could be thought of as the "smoking gun" in this case, evidence of
>a malicious intent to deceive, the study producers claimed that the racial
>comparison was between people making the same income (and neatly omitting
>the many other financial data actually used in granting or denying
>a mortgage). Might sound good except for the unbelieveably loose
>redefinition of the term "same". Here, all people were divided into
>three income categories, above, at, and below average. This was such that
>a person with an $8000 annual income made the "same" as a person
>with a $4000 annual income (a two to one difference) and a person with
>a $200,000 annual income made the "same" as a person with a $50,000
>annual income (a four to one difference). So the data that poor
>people can less afford a loan than wealthy people was successfully
>cooked into the claim the blacks are denied loans because of their race.
KO6
>--
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   Again Terry misrepresents what is written.  I didn't exclude any facts from
the orignial post as Terry tries to state in the beginning of this.  The
original post referred to a Labor Department study on hiring practice, and
somehow Terry gets to a study on Mortgates.  She stated that the original
study had to be incorrect even though her un-biased eyes never saw the actual
study.  A great example of her scholarlyness.  Of course you can't tell that
from the bits and pieces of my original post that she snipped out to make it
more advantageous to her view.  Please go back and read what I originally
posted, with a title referring to Terry's clairvoyance.
  As to the Mortgage study, let's try this again.  Terry, please cite the study
so that all of us can be enlightened like yourself.
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