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Subject: Re: After market fuel injections
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:54:20 GMT
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-> There are several other brands.  Accel, Crane, DFI, Haltech,
-> Electromotive and a few from England whose name I cannot remember.

 I have brochures on all except Crane.  Most of 'em seem to assume you
already have an injected car and just want to play around with what's
already there.  Fooey.  The rest of 'em seem to thing merely mentioning
the words "fuel injection" is going to make you grab your wallet and
wave cash madly.
                                                                                                                            

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Subject: Re: For my next trick...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:28:45 GMT
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> 
> Making a rally car out of an old six banger may surprise you.
> When you compare it to some of the european engins of simular
> and smaller size of those days you might find yourself way
> outclassed.  Rember they look at cubic inches (litters) and
> the europeans had 4 liter V-8's, 5 liter V-12's and they were 
> originators of overhead cams and port injection, on stock
> cars.  I think you would be better off sticking to the brute
> torque V-8's of american origin unless you want to spend 1.000's
> and not get anywhere.  Why don't you think the american manufactures
> didn't get big on rallies back then?
> ----------
> Posted by: emory!picard.med.ge.com!bednarek (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
> 
I agree that a V8 will have more torque, be easier to get the max of 
everything, etc. The problem is that a *small* V8 of the sixties compacts
will usually get classed with the *big* V8s.  Then I'm back in the same boat!
 
>From what I have read, the Ford sixes are pretty weak.  But I once owned a
'68 Rambler American and was always impressed with its low-end torque. I
believe that engine is still in use in the Jeep Cherokees.  Fuel-injected, too.

Corvairs have been suggested, and I like that possibility.

Vintage competition varies with the sanctioning body.  Vintage sportscar
racing usually strictly adheres to period mods.  Vintage drag racing, on the
other hand, is often an old shell around the latest technology.  Vintage rally
goes both ways.

What need to do before I spend any money, is get the rule books from the varioussanctioning groups and see where I could fit in. Also, my goal is some fun and
excitement rather than winning at all costs, so that's a factor.  Plus, I have
always liked "odd-rods" just cuz they're different.

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Posted by: Dave Tartaglia <emory!immacc.prepnet.com!indy>
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Subject: Re:  Transmission For Ford 302
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:51:17 GMT
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 > 
> How does the Elderbrock intake and cam do?  I was mainly wondering what kind
> of gas milage you could get.  I'm thinking of that set up for my 351 Windsor.
> Thanks.
> Tom McClendon

Well are we looking for performance, or gas millage.  I never saw a real 
performance gain the didn't cost a couple mpg's.
dennis

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Subject: Re: Transmission For Ford 302
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:40:54 GMT
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In article <f!gq9n=@dixie.com> you write:
>
>Do you think it will hold up?? Any advice/suggestions before I start work on
>it would be appreciated...
I had a comparably built 302 with a C4 in a '69 mustang. 
The Internals of an FMX aren't particularly stronger than a C4, 
but beacause of the steel housing, it is potentially stronger when built up. 
My Father built the mustang, so I don't know the brand of kit he
used on the torque converter, but he described it as 'heavy duty' and
he left the stall speed alone. Also the rear end gear ratio was
less aggressive than yours. (low 3,xx). This setup lasted 
about 40K miles at which point shifts to second gear were
really loooooonnnng. 

My current car is a '69 GT with a 351W at about the same HP rating
and an FMX transmission. At 50K miles and a little drag racing,
the FMX is dead. It also has a B&M kit in the torque converter.

I think that no matter what you do with a C4/FMX it isn't
going to last like it would with a stock motor. 

Another more economical option could be to try abd put an
older 4 speed in.

-jeffreyr-

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Posted by: uunet!uts.amdahl.com!jeffreyr (Jeff Reichenberg)
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Subject:      Re:  Transmission For Ford 302
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:09:15 GMT
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about Edelbrock intake and cams.....
its the cam that edelbrock makes that sucks the gas down....
it has a close lobe center and is an RV type cam with a healthy lift.
i'm talking about the Perfomer cam here, not the Torker cam.
these names are confusing, Torker is the higher RPM cam of the two.
I have a Performer Cam and intake on an AMC 304 in a jeep.
with 3.55 gears, 31 inch tires, and a 4 speed, pulling gas thru
a carter AFB, i did a 16.2 second et down the 1/4th mile..
oh, and i got 9.5:1 pistons in it too...
now i don't know what you people are using these edelbrock products on
that don't make power, but i disagree.   it takes alot to push a
jeep with big tires down the track like that with a 5.0 liter motor
                                                                   G.P.

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Subject: Re: After market fuel injections
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:14:41 GMT
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I'm running an IMPCO EFI on my Cougar. A very good unit IHMO. 4" MAS, 
temperature, ignition trigger. runs upto ~475Hp.
call;
Howard
1-206-575-1594

708 Industry Dr.
Seattle Washington (some zip here)

[Millam, how 'bout posting some more details of the IMPCO unit.  I was
not aware that they sold a unit.  Is is a private label or have they
snuck in a new one?  JGD]

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Millam E. Tackitt                        met@naucse.cse.nau.edu

1967 Cougar XR-7 271/289 4spd/CR 4spd
1968 Galaxie XL-GT 345/390 3-dueces and an Auto 
1953 3/4 ton Chevy pickumup truck
1968 Galaxie XL-GT 345/390 Auto (SPORT console)
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Posted by: emory!naucse.cse.nau.edu!met (Millam Tackitt)
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Subject: Re: For my next trick...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:41:30 GMT
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Making a rally car out of an old six banger may surprise you.
When you compare it to some of the european engins of simular
and smaller size of those days you might find yourself way
outclassed.  Rember they look at cubic inches (litters) and
the europeans had 4 liter V-8's, 5 liter V-12's and they were 
originators of overhead cams and port injection, on stock
cars.  I think you would be better off sticking to the brute
torque V-8's of american origin unless you want to spend 1.000's
and not get anywhere.  Why don't you think the american manufactures
didn't get big on rallies back then?

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Posted by: emory!picard.med.ge.com!bednarek (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
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Subject: Re:  Transmission For Ford 302
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 05:41:35 GMT
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>Well are we looking for performance, or gas mallage.  I never saw a real
>performance gain the didn't cost a couple mpg's.
>dennis

Well I'm mainly looking for mpg's.  I figure I'll get performance from just 
adding the four-barrel.  I have heard that the Edlebrock intake reall sucked
som gas.  I like the intake/cam kit thought, but don't want bad mpg's.  I
just want some more performance (not drag racing...all I can get out of the 
motor) for a daily driver.  Thanks.
Anybody hear anything about Weiand intakes?
Tom McClendon
gt7038d@prism.gatech.edu

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Subject: Re: Transmission For Ford 302
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 05:29:08 GMT
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I have been told by my grandfather in a bar somewhere that the
Ford type F fluid is thicker than the Dexron.  The Dexron can be
used in older Ford trans to give crisper shifting.  I don't know
the consequences of using the wrong fluid (clutch damage, etc).

Of course, knowledge of this sort is unreliable...your mileage
may vary...taxes, title, dealer prep...
-- 
Luke Mayercin  lrm28@cas.org  "Why does ear wax taste like it does?"
Chemical Abstracts Service is not responsible for these comments.

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Subject: Re:  Transmission For Ford 302
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:04:58 GMT
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How does the Elderbrock intake and cam do?  I was mainly wondering what kind
of gas milage you could get.  I'm thinking of that set up for my 351 Windsor.
Thanks.
Tom McClendon
gt7038d@prism.gatech.edu
ps What was the reason for the trans's failing?

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Posted by: emory!prism.gatech.edu!gt7038d (MCCLENDON,WILLIAM THOMAS)
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Subject: Re: After market fuel injections
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:43:07 GMT
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Howard
c/o IMPCO
708 Industry Dr.
Seattle Washington (zip?)

cain't remember the zip right now, I can look it up when I get home.

Millam E. Tackitt

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Subject: Re: Transmission For Ford 302
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Greg Peckham mentions that the type F Ford fluid may not be the
correct choice these days.  This is true; things have changed at
Ford.

The type F fluid was an attempt to help the tranny live longer
by allowing a bit of extra grip in the clutch plates.  Unfortunately,
this gain was offset by a decrease in its lubricating ability.

More recently Ford has been specifying Mercon fluid for many of
their transmissions.  If you look in an auto parts store you will
probably find ATF that says it can be used for either Mercon or
GM applications.

It is important to have the right fluid for the application.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
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Subject: Re: Transmission For Ford 302
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hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List) writes:

>You mentioned not to use trick shift... any reason why?
>I thought the ads are kind of neat 
This is probably true

and the stuff is better than regular
>transmission fluid. 

This is not true, although it is expensive.

 I haven't bought any trick shift yet but I was 
>considering use all trick shift when I'm done with my C-4.
>Any particular reason to avoid it?
Believe it or not, the type F fluid ford reccomends will do
everything well, especially when you compare the price!


>also.. regarding torque converters... what does the stall speed mean and
stall speed= rpm the engine will generate at WOT with the transmission
output shaft NOT turning *dont do this for more than 5 seconds!* The 
important point to remember regarding stall speed is that it is a 
RELATIVE number, in other words, it depends on many factors ie a figure
of 2700 rpm in one car will not necessarily be the same if the T/C was
installed in another car. 

>generally speaking the higher the stall, the better? 
This depends on the particular engine, its state of tune, car weight,
etc. Generally speaking, the higher the power developed in a given
size of engine *unsupercharged, of course* the higher the *stall speed*
should be. If you are confused, dont feel bad, this topic cause more
confusion than gear ratio.

 (what are the
>drawbacks?)
Lower fuel economy, higher heat input into trans fluid, low reliability
with some brands of convertors


Jim Davies

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Posted by: emory!fraser.sfu.ca!jimd (Jim Davies)
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Subject: Rear Lower Control Arms
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   Recently, I saw a ad for "Global West" tubular lower rear control 
arms. I've only seen them offered for 65-72 GM A-bodies (Chevelle, et al).
Obviously, these are the lower arms in the rear, and their only 
difference is that they are tubular and come with poly bushings.  I 
have not yet gotten a price, but I wanted to ask first here:

    1.  What can one expect in the way of benefits from these bars.  I
        would assume better handling, mabye a better launch.

    2.  Would "boxing" my current stock ones with appropriate
        thickness plate, and adding poly bushings yield the same result?

I'm pretty handy with a welder, so I proably could do it.  My arms are
up for rehab, since those 21 year old, 150k+ mile bushings are pretty 
well shot. I'm really looking for better handling, ride, ect.  I don't
make enough power to really need to strive for better launches, but
I guess it couldn't hurt, right?

While we're at it, does anyone have some info sources about LPG 
conversions?  I know the basic benefits, and I'm seriously considering
doing it.  I'd really like to know if someone has a thumb-nail idea
of how much gasoline is equivalent to 1 pound of LPG, or vice-versa.

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Subject: Re: For my next trick...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:18:48 GMT
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> 
> Making a rally car out of an old six banger may surprise you.
> When you compare it to some of the european engins of simular
> and smaller size of those days you might find yourself way
> outclassed.  Rember they look at cubic inches (litters) and
> the europeans had 4 liter V-8's, 5 liter V-12's and they were 
> originators of overhead cams and port injection, on stock
> cars.  I think you would be better off sticking to the brute
> torque V-8's of american origin unless you want to spend 1.000's
> and not get anywhere.  Why don't you think the american manufactures
> didn't get big on rallies back then?
> 
A swede was driving a Ford Falcon in the Monte Carlo rally in the '60's.
I'm not sure but I think he won it, but he probably had a V-8.

Leif

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Subject: Re:  For my next trick...
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>Start with a decent "grandma" car: 4 door compact, say a Mercury Comet or
>Rambler American. Look for a straight six so as not to be classed with
>the mega-power V8s. Add a roll bar and racing seats and harness. Voila,
>budget rally car. In historic competition the emphasis is on fun, not
>winning at all costs (usually).

Forget those losers, get yourself a late (65-69) Corvair. Autocrossers
have been succesfull for years with these. There is still a lot of
speed and handling stuff around for them, too.

Jan.Stubbs@NCR.COM

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Subject: Re: For my next trick...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:48:13 GMT
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> advantage in cubes over the European engines of the '50s and early '60s.
> Heck, remember the Nash-Healey?  Anyway, the only Euro sedans which
> would have been potent enough to take on one of Bill Stroppe or Ak
> Miller's Fords would have been the Jag sedan or one of the Mercedes or
> BMW sixes.  Since they were a bit expensive and parts availability
> wasn't great, nobody ran them.  If you'll check the results for big
> rallies like the Carrera Americana or Mexican Road Race you'll see the
> names of many of the old time hot rodders.  Alas, drag racing and the
> 
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> Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
>  
Exactly! Half the fun was taking "ordinary" American iron, goosing it up,
and beating the sports cars at their own game.  Ak Miller's "Caballo de Hierro"
was a '27 T body with a flathead V8 and cycle fenders. Ugly as sin, went like 
stink.  Stroppe, Kurtis, lots of people in Indy and NASCAR and hot rodders
went to Mexico to give it a go.  Heck, even the great driver Manuel Fangio
started driving in his own '37 Chevy hot rod. It's still around, too.

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Subject: Uneven Fuel Distribution
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-> basicly a fuel regulator modulated by manifold pressure. I was told
-> that the bad distribution is quite typical for GM V8, and I have to
-> either buy another aftermarket intake manifold or I pull out mine and
-> try to polish a little bit to improve the distribution, and also
-> their regulator will

 Someone's pulling your leg.  According to David Vizard's dyno tests a
few years back, it's damned hard to beat the stock Chevy dual-plane
spreadbore intake up to 5000 RPM.  Fuel distribution is just fine,
typical of dual plane intakes.  It's the single-plane jobbies that have
troubles.

 I seriously doubt an adjustable fuel pressure regulator is going to do
anything useful unless the carburetor isn't functioning properly to
begin with.

 Checking the power valve and changing the jets were reasonable
troubleshooting steps, but you didn't mention which type of carb you
were running.  If you're using one of the new-style Holleys with the
plastic fuel valve seat assemblies, they're notoriously prone to
sticking in the open position and drowning the motor.  I don't know of
any sure fix other than swapping to a set of old-style float bowls.
The new-style Holleys also lack the center idle adjust screw under the
air cleaner stud, which can make idle setup a pain.

 Finally, the ZZ1 cam is 235/235 degrees, and that's enough to hurt fuel
economy dramatically unless you have the carb dead-on.  15 inches of
vacuum looks just fine, though, unless you have very tall gears and lug
the engine a lot.
                                                                              

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