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From: mohan@netcom.com (Mohan Bodduluri)
Subject: Modem hook up with SGI Indigo...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:27:12 GMT

Hi, 
I need help in hooking my new modem (Hayes Compatible, 14400 Baud, v.32,
v.42, and MNP5 ) with my new Indigo. I have it set up pretty much,
and I can successfully connect to other machines using cu. One of the 
machines I can access is an IRIS Crimson. I would like to set up a SLIP 
account between the two machines... and I have tried and tried and tried...
with no luck. When I turn the debug on, I see that I can successfully login
and start the remote slip and the two machines are talking to each other
through SLIP, but nothing else works... I can't make any more connections,
either using telnet, ftp, or cu. Please HELP!!!

mohan.

mohan@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: fsfacca@ZoSo.lerc.nasa.gov (Tony Facca)
Subject: Re: letting users choose their login shells
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:35:25 GMT

duong@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu (Duc Duong) writes:
>The shell script chsh just posted is not working on my machine. After
>successfully compile it, I always get the message "sorry, passwd file
>busy" when I run the program..is there any one getting the same
>problem?
>

You've probably installed it without reading the READ_ME file.  It is
distributed with #define DEBUG set to 1.  So you can compile it and
test it a little before install it on your system.  When you are ready
to install it "for real" remove the #define DEBUG, recompile, and 
install.  

Two other things: the Makefile needs to have a "-cckr" added to the
CFLAGS, I missed that.  Also, the path is set to /usr/local/bin, so
you might want to change that as well.

Tony
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From: kjv@exucom.com (Karl J. Vesterling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: SSPS & Smarter UUCP.
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:46:13 GMT
Organization: ExuCom Multimedia Inc.
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SSPS - Smarter Serial Port Software

	Myself and the Co-Admin of exucom.com have written some
applications for the SGI's that do the following:

	o Alter number of rings your modems answer on according to day
	  of week and time of day.  It also removes the bogus lock
	  files that might still be in /usr/spool/locks for the serial
	  ports.

	o Command line Audio Volume control that doesn't effect
	  sampling rates like sfplay or playaiff do with empty aiff
	  files.

	o Replacements for UUCP that will wait for other serial port
	  traffic to stop and then grab the serial port for UUCP to
	  use.  (Very useful if you have serial ports that are in
	  constant use for incoming/outgoing calls.)


	All of the above functions with or without the flex-fax
software available via anonymous ftp to sgi.com.

	As far as price, E-Mail an offer.  We would consider $25.00 to
be about right...  We're not sure if we should go with the shareware
concept or what.  In short, we're negotiable.

	In my opinion I think that SGI should make us an offer for the
rights and bundle it with the OS.  It solves an awful lot of problems
as far as system administration.  They make the system smart enough to
babysit itself as far as serial IO, UUCP, and SLIP goes.

	These programs have been tested for over a year on an SGI
R3000 Indigo and have been running solidly for 6 months.  It's well
out of Beta Test stage.

	These scripts are not provided by the company I work for, or
any other commercial organization.  (This is to clarify the point for
the discussion in news.admin about commercial advertisements on USENET.)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: powell@wraith.netops.gtefsd.com (Mike Powell "GTE FSD Net Mgr")
Subject: Looking for a logging version of ftpd
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division (Telecom)
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:01:49 GMT

I am looking for a logging version of ftpd.
one that: what logins were tried,
	tells me what directories the user went to,
	what files they took,
	and what files the placed here (or tried)

I had one for 4.3BSD. I would like one for the SGI.
I already looked on sgi.com.
any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike
any help would be appreciated
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"It's hard to find router bits for your cisco"
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From: isaac@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Martin-D. Lacasse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: Re: Looking for a logging version of ftpd
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:44:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for the Physics of Materials, McGill University

In article <1hnfieINNe4b@fangio.asd.sgi.com> rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller) writes:
>> powell@wraith.netops.gtefsd.com (Mike Powell "GTE FSD Net Mgr") writes:
>>I am looking for a logging version of ftpd.
>>one that: what logins were tried,
>>	tells me what directories the user went to,
>>	what files they took,
>>	and what files the placed here (or tried)
>
>Have you looked at the ftpd(1M) man page?
>
>an excerpt:
>    :
>    If the -l option is specified, each ftp session login is logged in the
>    syslog.
>    : 
>
>What information is logged is not described in detail, but from experience,
>I can tell you that it does what you want.
>
>...robert

	Actually, you can add more `l' (e.g -lll) for more info. I think
	this is not documented however.

	Martin
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From: vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: writing man pages
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:48:47 GMT
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: abgen.tamu.edu

We have some in-house  applications and we would like to write         
man pages for them so that these man pages look just like the 
standard UNIX man pages (describing command line options, version 
information etc.) What is the best way to do this on an SGI,

1. If the system has nroff/troff ?
2. If the system does not have nroff/troff ?

Vamsee
From: stevemw@wvirginia.wv.tek.com (Stephen M. Wynne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: Re: writing man pages
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:56:11 GMT
Organization: /usr/people/stevemw/.organization
In-reply-to: vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu's message of 29 Dec 92 20:48:47 GMT

In article <1hqdjfINNrlh@tamsun.tamu.edu> vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani) writes:

>   We have some in-house  applications and we would like to write         
>   man pages for them so that these man pages look just like the 
>   standard UNIX man pages (describing command line options, version 
>   information etc.) What is the best way to do this on an SGI,

>   1. If the system has nroff/troff ?
>   2. If the system does not have nroff/troff ?

I realize that the DWB is a valuable product to ATT, and hence its
value-added (cough) price when UNIX distributors pass it on to us.
However, there is a nice package called groff from the GNU folks
that works really great. I'd like feedback from those of you who
are using it to completely replace the DWB -- I haven't successfully
gotten it to do things that the SGI versions of the DWB can do such
as formatting manual pages with the man(1) command. I format with
groff -man -Tascii > catn/foo.n.

Thanks,

STEVE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: jhp@photon.com (Jim Patterson)
Subject: Re: writing man pages
Reply-To: jhp@photon.com
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:09:18 GMT

Stephen M. Wynne (stevemw@wvirginia.wv.tek.com) wrote:
: In article <1hqdjfINNrlh@tamsun.tamu.edu> vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani) writes:
: 
: >   We have some in-house  applications and we would like to write         
: >   man pages for them so that these man pages look just like the 
: >   standard UNIX man pages (describing command line options, version 
: >   information etc.) What is the best way to do this on an SGI,
: 
: >   1. If the system has nroff/troff ?
: >   2. If the system does not have nroff/troff ?
: 
: I realize that the DWB is a valuable product to ATT, and hence its
: value-added (cough) price when UNIX distributors pass it on to us.
: However, there is a nice package called groff from the GNU folks
: that works really great. I'd like feedback from those of you who
: are using it to completely replace the DWB -- I haven't successfully
: gotten it to do things that the SGI versions of the DWB can do such
: as formatting manual pages with the man(1) command. I format with
: groff -man -Tascii > catn/foo.n.

I have completely replaced DWB with groff.  What I had to do was to
link the groff executables to the names that the man command expects.
You can find out what man wants by using the -p option.  You also need
to make the directories /usr/pub and /usr/lib/tmac.  There needs to be
any empty file /usr/pub/eqnchar and you need to copy the contents of
the groff tmac directory to /usr/lib/tmac.

Hope this helps,

Jim

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From: karlton@fudge.asd.sgi.com (Phil Karlton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: Re: /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:59:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: fudge.asd.sgi.com


In article <1992Dec22.011556.6654@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, doctor@kronos.arc.nasa.gov writes:
    Can anyone tell me why /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession loads from
    ".Xresources" instead of ".Xdefaults" by default?

A couple of reasons: 1) It allows customers that want to control
whether or not the resources end up as an X server property or not to
either put their private resources into .Xresources or .Xdefaults
respectively.  2) That's the way that MIT distributes the configuration
and more folks complain when we don't follow the "standard"
distribution mechanisms.

    This is most annoying since the on-line documentation (i.e.,
    "xrdb(1)"

Hmmm. My reading of xrdb(1) is that ~/.Xdefaults is used as a backup
if the resources are not a property on the root window of the server.
This is exactly what is happening.

    or the Showcase "Customizing Your Environment" slide)?

Don't know about that one.

    P.S. I have, of course, edited Xsession to load from $HOME/.Xdefaults
    on all my systems...

That is certainly one of your choices. Personally, I've linked
.Xresources and .Xdefaults to be the same file.

PK
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: sma@disney.com (Steve Acheson)
Subject: Help with Logical Volumes, Please...
Organization: Walt Disney Imagineering
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:03:51 GMT

Has anybody really tried using Logical Volumes on the Indigo?  I have
4.0.5F running with two 1.6GB disks attached, and would like to make them
both into a lv0 drive.

I can do this, but df reports only 1.6GB of space total, and less avail.
Is there still a 2GB unix filesystem size?  I used mklv with a /etc/lvtab
of:

lv0:Volume 0:devs=/dev/dsk/dks0d1s6, /dev/dsk/dks0d5s7

lvck runs fine and reports no problems.  What's up?  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Steve
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From: yohn@tumult.asd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Logical Volumes, Please...
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:26:54 GMT
Reply-To: yohn@1.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tumult.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec22.000351.2439@walt.disney.com>, sma@disney.com (Steve Acheson) writes:
|> Has anybody really tried using Logical Volumes on the Indigo?  I have
|> 4.0.5F running with two 1.6GB disks attached, and would like to make them
|> both into a lv0 drive.
|> 
|> I can do this, but df reports only 1.6GB of space total, and less avail.
|> Is there still a 2GB unix filesystem size?  I used mklv with a /etc/lvtab
|> of:
|> 
|> lv0:Volume 0:devs=/dev/dsk/dks0d1s6, /dev/dsk/dks0d5s7
|> 
|> lvck runs fine and reports no problems.  What's up?  Any suggestions?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Steve

After you made the logical volume did you create a new file system or
grow the old file system that used to live on /dev/dsk/dks0d1s6?  If
you _had_ a previous file system in dks0d1s6 and then created a file
system around it and dks0d5s7, you would only see the file system that
was already there, and you would have to do a 'growfs /dev/dsk/lv0'
(with the _file system_ unmounted!) or a 'mkfs /dev/dsk/lv0' (also with
dks0d1s6 unmounted).  Make sure to also make a new /dev/usr and
/dev/rusr to match /dev/dsk/lv0 and /dev/rdsk/lv0.  --

Mike Thompson
yohn@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: andrej@resntl.bhp.com.au (Andre Joanisse)
Subject: RE: Printing to a VMS machine running multinet
Keywords: printing, VMS, multinet
Reply-To: andrej@resntl.bhp.com.au
Organization: BHP Research - Newcastle Laboratories
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:36:12 GMT

In article 13737@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, pwalters@iris4.chem.arizona.edu (Pat Walters) writes:
>
>-- 
>I am trying (with no success) to set up a VMS machine running multinet
>as a remote printer to an Iris Indigo.  I know it possible to do this
>from a unix machine, but I can't figure out how to get the Indigo to
>do it.  Has anyone out there in netland done this?  Any help would be
>greatly appreciated.

Pat,

We have a similar setup over here and we use it with no problems.  On the SG side,
you will need the appropriate /etc/printcap entries. For example:
	#
	lp|lw|Hp LaserJet+ on host xyz:\
		:rm=xyz:rp=sys$print:sd=/usr/spool/laser:lp=:

Then use 'lpc restart' to get the printers going on the SG.  Note that you will
need to use lpr to do your printing.

On the VAX side of things, you have to use 'multinet config/printers' and you
will need to use set accept-hosts while in Multinet.  The Multinet docs are pretty
good at going over this.  Have a look through that.

Hope this helps,

Andre.	
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From: powell@wraith.netops.gtefsd.com (Mike Powell "GTE FSD Net Mgr")
Subject: looking for a secure version of tftpd
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division (Telecom)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:11:44 GMT

I am also looking for a secure version of tftpd.
I am need to keep router configuration files in the tftp directory.
I have a version for the other workstation manufacturer, that
allows me to specify what IP addresses are allowed to read and write
which files. this also protects me from myself, trying to write read-only
files.

I have already looked on ssgi.com, no luck.
will the version I have for the other platform port easily?

any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike

BTW:
here is a listing of the other version.

total 81
-rw-r--r--  1 root         1153 Jun 17  1992 Makefile
-rw-r--r--  1 root          570 Oct 15  1991 config.c
-rw-r--r--  1 root         1879 Oct  3  1991 tftpaccess.h
-rw-r--r--  1 root         7888 Oct  3  1991 tftpd.8c
-rw-r--r--  1 root        17515 Jun 29  1992 tftpd.c
-rw-r--r--  1 root        17095 Jun 29  1992 tftpd.c.orig
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root         3090 Oct 30  1991 tftpd.conf*
-rw-r--r--  1 root         7596 Oct  3  1991 tftpsubs.c
-rw-r--r--  1 root        21170 Nov 10  1991 tftpyale.c
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: powell@wraith.netops.gtefsd.com (Mike Powell "GTE FSD Net Mgr")
Subject: Re: Looking for a logging version of ftpd (for SGI)
Summary:  RTFM
Organization: GTE Federal Systems (Telecom)
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:33:25 GMT

In article <fish.725573013@news.gsfc.nasa.gov> fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:
>powell@wraith.netops.gtefsd.com (Mike Powell "GTE FSD Net Mgr") writes:
>
>>I am looking for a logging version of ftpd.
>>one that: what logins were tried,
>>	tells me what directories the user went to,
>>	what files they took,
>>	and what files the placed here (or tried)
>
>>I had one for 4.3BSD. I would like one for the SGI.
>>I already looked on sgi.com.
>>any help would be appreciated.
>
>instead of just using the -l option for invoking ftpd (in inetd.conf)
>use -lll (it is undocumented but gives you more verbose information)
>
Okay, I'll admit it. I didn't RTFM, because I ASSUMED SGIs' version was
simular to Suns'.
Once again SGI has proved me wrong, in the right way.

Thanks,
Mike.
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"It's hard to find router bits for your cisco"
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From: karsh@sgi.com (Bruce Karsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: Re: IRIX Login
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:18:03 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <C03Iyq.Fn2@rahul.net> jonathan@mecca.epri.com writes:

>   How does one change the login screen to something more of a 
>hostname:%
>   From the screen that shows all of the users ID's/names?  Thanks.

If you just want to get rid of the user ID's/names, then run (as root)

	chkconfig noiconlogin on
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: blythe@sgi.com (David Blythe)
Subject: Re: What is the correct gamma value?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:47:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.230429.19706@uc.msc.edu> wes@msc.edu writes:
>The man page for gamcal says:
>
>   "Normally the gamma of the display should be set to
>    2.4 using the program /usr/sbin/gamma."
>
>However, the following lines are found in /usr/lib/X11/xdm:
>
>   Xlogin:glGammaDefault="1.7"
>   Xstartup:glGammaDefault="1.7"
>
>NOTE: These files (Xlogin and Xstartup) do not seem to be setting the gamma
>      anyway but that is a separate issue.
>
>
>Using the gamcal program to help calibrate the gamma leads me to believe
>that 2.4 is the "correct" value.
>
>I am running IRIX 4.0.5 on a 4D/35.  Is there a reason for the two
>different gamma values found on my system?

the correct gamma value is theoretically a property of the monitor (CRT
and associated electronics).  gamcal will help you determine what this
value should be.  In practice asthetics, religious beliefs, the application
itself, etc,  perturb this value.  I believe the two values you have seen
reflect two different opinions of SGI engineers (I think they bracket the
typical range of values).  I believe 1.7 is the installed default regardless
of the monitor shipped with the system.
	-db

>
>
>===============================================================================
>Wes Barris                                                   PH: (612) 626-8090
>Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.                         Email: wes@msc.edu
From: vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: letting users choose their login shells
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:14:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1hkv9vINNba9
Distribution: world
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.
NNTP-Posting-Host: abgen.tamu.edu

Is there a way to let the users change their shell and finger information
on the SGIs. I used "/bin/chsh" and "/bin/chfn" on the SUNs. Does anybody
know if something similar exists for an SGI(4.0.5A) ?

Vamsee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Subject: IRIX Login
Reply-To: jonathan@mecca.epri.com
Organization: Electric Power Research Institute
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:37:38 GMT

   How does one change the login screen to something more of a 

hostname:%

   From the screen that shows all of the users ID's/names?  Thanks.

-- 
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Internet: jonathan@mecca.epri.com -/- jonathan@rahul.net
Telephone <*> [415].855.2888
From: rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: Re: Looking for a logging version of ftpd
Date: 28 Dec 1992 10:03:58 -0800
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: fangio.asd.sgi.com

> powell@wraith.netops.gtefsd.com (Mike Powell "GTE FSD Net Mgr") writes:
>I am looking for a logging version of ftpd.
>one that: what logins were tried,
>	tells me what directories the user went to,
>	what files they took,
>	and what files the placed here (or tried)

Have you looked at the ftpd(1M) man page?

an excerpt:
    :
    If the -l option is specified, each ftp session login is logged in the
    syslog.
    : 

What information is logged is not described in detail, but from experience,
I can tell you that it does what you want.

...robert
From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: SYSLOG errors?!
Date: 2 Jan 93 07:32:48 GMT
Reply-To: jonathan@mecca.epri.com
Organization: Electric Power Research Institute
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.sgi ]
[ Author was Jonathan Heiliger (jonathan@rahul.net) ]
[ Posted on Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:29:05 GMT ]

   I recently upgraded my version of Sendmail with the one available from 
sgi.com via anonymous FTP.  Ever since this time, I get these errors:

hostname:% mailq
orderq: qfAA00371 is a FIFO?!?        <- as in this...
Mail queue is empty

And this appears in my SYSLOG in '/usr/adm'

09:26 mecca sendmail[1333]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: orderq: qfAA00371 is a FIFO?!?

   Does anyone have any idea of how to fix this?  Other than the annoyance 
that every 2-3 days my SYSLOG file is 100k+ there are no problems.  Thanks. 
-- 
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Internet: jonathan@mecca.epri.com -/- jonathan@rahul.net
Telephone <*> [415].855.2888

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Telephone <*> [415].855.2888