Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:53:31 GMT+2
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: My Two Cents Worth
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
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In article ??? jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips) writes:
>  
> I  know  this  subject has been hashed and rehashed but here's my two cents
> worth  anyway.   But first let me say that I have been one of the strongest
> Amiga advocates since the first one hit the market.  I bought an Amiga 1000
> in  Jan  1986 which I sold when I bought an Amiga 3000 in Apr 1991.  I have
> been  quite  satisfied with both machines.  In fact I'm pretty much in love
> with  my  A3000  (my  wife can verify this) and use it extensively for word
> processing,  on-line  communications,  programming  and  sometimes even for
> graphics applications :)  Having said this, on to the Amiga 4000.

Hey!  It sounds like I wrote that!  I owned A1000 and A2000 and now have
A3000.  I also play games on my A3000.

> The  Amiga  4000  seems  to  have  been rushed (pushed) out the door just a
> little  too  soon.  History repeats itself.  The Amiga 1000 came out before
...
> finish  paying for it too.  Like many other A3000 owners I knew this system
> would  carry me on for a long time because it has bus slots, CPU slot, SCSI
> port,  32-bit  CPU  ECS  access  etc.   And it will serve me for a long(er)
> time... now.

A3000 is a fine computer.  Every display (even games) is non-flickering,
for a start.

> Enter  the  Amiga  4000.   I'm  not going to bash the machine or wine about
...
> Yes, the extra color capability in the AGA is fantastic.  But I want higher
> resolution  even more than I want color.  Actually I want both, 8-bit color
> and at least 1024x768 non-interlaced, or something near that would be fine.
...
> an  040.  And I won't trade "down" to a machine with no SCSI.  I don't mind
...
> I'm not too worried about the audio thing, but if the A4000 did have 16 bit
> audio out it would definitly provoke more interest in me.  Like I said, I'm
> not  really  bashing the A4000.  I'm just pointing out that it doesn't have
> what  I want.  If you don't make what the customers want then they have two
> options:  (1) go somewhere else, (2) wait until you make something new(er).

I will probably wait for the "two chip set low end" Amiga.  A4000 is fine
but not fine enough.  A3000 is better in some respects.

> After  hearing  that  the  AGA (yes I would like more color at a reasonable
> price)  "will  not  go into any previous machine" it became obvious *again*
> that  CBM  dosen't  care  too much about my segment of their customer base.
...
> 1600GS  is  a  Zorro  III board with a Wietek graphics co-processor, 24-bit
> color   palette   and  displays  8-bit  color  from  640x480  to  1600x1200
> non-interlaced.   Hopefuly  the  1600GS,  Resolver,  etc  will  gain decent
> software  support  and  A3000  owners like me can upgrade the way we really
> want.  And I can always add an 040 card too.

How expensive is this 1600GS?  If it costs more than 1000 $ it is too
expensive.  The DOMINO graphics card costs 700 DM (maybe 400 $) and
includes 1024 x 768 x 8 non-interlaced in 72 Hz.

AmigaDOS 4.0 will have RTG so at least then we can "upgrade the way we
really want".  DOMINO claims to work with most programs which can open in
Wb even now.

> To  sum  up:  No, I don't plan to "jump ship" and buy a Mac or MSDOS clone.
> But  neither  do  I  plan  to  buy  an  Amiga  4000.  It would be much more
...
> support  I  require  is  (1)  make a machine with something close to what I
> want, (2) provide a reasonable upgrade or trade-in offer.

Yes, I could consider A4000 if there would be an affordable way to do it
but in Finland there won't be.

> PS:   I'm  really  hoping  the  next NeXT Computer really is an 88110 based
> machine.   The  (standard) 50MHz 88110 has 5 times the integer and 10 times
> the  floating  point thruput of a 25MHz 68040.  And color NeXTs have hi-res
> color  video  screens  too:):) (approx 1100x830 with 12-bit color displayed
> out of a 24-bit palette standard, 24-bit display as option)

Hey!  You said that you won't jump ship!  :-)

>  Jay Phillips * Tampa FL
>  Amiga 3000 25Mhz/105HD/10MB
>  USENET: tbag!jayson@tscs.com     (or roast me on Genie: B.Phillips13)

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    Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
    Helsinki, Finland, EC?      hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi