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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: .QWK readers
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:35:36 GMT

VBCSC038@VAX.CSUN.EDU writes:

>	I'm one of the authors of the shell .QWK programs that
>Scott.Thomas@ofa123.fidonet.org was talking about.  The other author is
>sledbett@nyx.cs.du.edu and the program has recently been revised.  I have two
>versions here, one that can both write to a file for u to load into a word
>processor --or-- display top the screen (like a bbs).  The other is screen only
>and looks better and operates better since its not pulled down doing two
>functions like the other.  If any of you wants it, I'll put it up on
>comp.binaries.apple2 (no promise of docs.. its a easy command to use..)

Yup! Yes! Definitely so. I am sick of being an online user. Thanks for
doing the work, and please share it with us.

Yours

Soenke
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: IDE Drives
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:16:47 GMT

In article <01GS9JQW5RLS8YA6E5@ALBION.BITNET> AKARPENKO@ALBION.BITNET writes:
>Can you enclose an IDE drive in the same way a SCSI drive is enclosed.  I
>am thinking about getting the Turbo IDE card.  Aren't enclosures like the
>ones from Tulin for both SCSI and IDE drives and will getting an IDE be more
>of a hassle than it is worth?  Thanks for any help.

	The problem right now with the Turbo IDE is the lack of
external IDE drives.  They are pretty standard for SCSI though.

	You can put an IDE drive in a SCSI case.  They both use a 50
pin ribbon connector on the back.  I asked the designer of the IDE
card to consider making a ribbon cable from the IDE card to a db-25,
so you can use standard SCSI cables to attach the IDE drives.  I think
that will be the best in terms of getting cases.  (Although there may
be a little confusion at between the two)




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Turbo IDE Card description
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:46:46 GMT

david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson) writes:

>stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>>	In the //e, you can't move the zero page, so this isn't
>>possible.  The cards for the //e and the gs are the same, the only
>>difference is the code on the rom chip.  I imagine the GS rom uses
>>other 65816 specific opcodes as well.
>If your //e has a 65802 it can move the zero page. Would it be able to use
>the //gs ROM or is there more to it than that?

Good question. I'll forward it to the maker of the card and get back to you.

Soenke
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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:43:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <Bz9Itr.nE@news.iastate.edu> hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma) writes:
>[...] my first point was that given the current status of the toolbox  
>it has made stuff like Multifinder GS hard to do. Dave Lyons has often stated  
>that to make a Multifinder GS would reqire a re-enterent toolbox, [...]

I don't think I ever said that...non-reentrancy gets in the way of some
things, but not a Macintosh-style MultiFinder, which does context switching
in specific cooprative ways (basically, inside calls to GetNextEvent).

(Some of this discussion is "crossing in the mail"...oh, well.)

Non-arbitrated system resources are more of a problem (like the RAM on
the sound chip).  It's also a problem when applications don't take advantage
of arbitration when it's available--which would often mean just doing them
using the toolbox instead of behind its back.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: Turbo IDE Card description
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:11:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.134016.8827@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:
>In article <la46828@pro-cajun.cts.com> sysadm@pro-cajun.cts.com (System Administrator) writes:
>>Nice specs, why is it important to specify which machine (//e or //gs) when
>>you order the card.  I own both and would hope that the card is
>>interchangeable between machines like the Apple Rev C., DMA SCSI cards are.
>
>The ROM on the card is highly optimized for maximum throughput, using 65816
>commands in the GS version. You can order both ROMs (if I recall correctly,
>a ROM costs $10), so if you want to swap machines (which you don't do every
>day normally, anyway ;), you just exchange the ROM and that's it.

	Although, in theory, you should be able to use the //e version
in both machines.  That way, you wouldn't have to swap ROM chips.

	Soenke, you should get Joachim to test it, but it should work.

>Soenke

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: IDE Drives
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:20:21 GMT

In article <SKNKWRKS.92Dec13165350@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu> sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
>
>Not true.  IDE drives take a 40-pin connector...and odds are that each
>of the 40 pins serves some purpose.  Attempting to use DB-25 SCSI
>cables with IDE drives would more than likely ruin both the drive and
>the controller.

	Okay, I was thinking they both used 50 pin connectors.  If
not, then the cabling would have to be different.

	Using a SCSI cable should be possible, if the wires are wired
properly on both ends.  This may mean some wire swapping etc.  But its
much easier to find SCSI cables than say and external IDE drive
connector.

>You can, however, put an IDE drive in a "SCSI" case, replace the SCSI
>cabling with something that'll work with IDE (perhaps using some sort
>of high-density connector), and roll it all together.

	Yeah, that would be ideal, except then it would take some
bucks to get the cables made.  Maybe if the 40 pins could be condensed
into 25, and you a straight through db25....

>  _/_   Scott Alfter                           Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
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From: paulb@pro-applebcs.UUCP (Paul Bauer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Disk drive probs, need new drive?
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:36:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Proline [pro-applebcs] Boston Computer Society

It may be that the pot has become somewhat dirty from age. I would suggest
rotating it thru its full travel several times and then try to adjust the
drive to speed. I have found the disk II drives to be very reliable.

        pbauer@athena.mit.edu
From: sbennett@gnh-starport.cts.com (Stephen Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Switch-It! & MultiLaunch (Re: Multiple Applications on IIGS)
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:00:29 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed Dec 09 92 at 14:52:38 (EST)

<Lots of discussion about Multi-Launch not quoted>

Yup, all of that...  Multi-Launch isn't stable, and is liable to hang your
computer at any time...

But then, Alan *said* it wasn't when he put it up on AO (and whatever other
services too, I'm sure)...  The version number might be a tipoff here,
anyway, even if you don't read the rest of his explanation about it being an
unfinished product that work was discontinued on, etc.  <shrug>

It's fun to play with, though, and if you wanted to take the time and effort
to eliminate INITs and such that are incompatible with it, it's occasionally
even useful...

But, I suspect that Alan posted it more as a "See what can be done?" kind of a
move than anything else, and I think it's cool to see, even if I don't use it
for anything that I want to keep...  :)
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From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wish list for FAX software on the GS
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:33:25 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Richard J Wifall's lips:
> 
> However, you brought up 3200 color pics.. Now I have a question.  How
> important is it for people to be able to send grey-scale and color
> faxes.  I *could* implement them, but I'm not sure it is really worth
> the time or effort as most fax machines out there can only handle
> black and white documents.  I may consider adding them as an upgrade
> if I sell enough of the first version..

    I've never seen or used a colour fax machine, so I don't think that
would be a priority.  16-level greyscale should be considered, since that's
becoming standard equipment.

> 	Fax program is set to auto-answer, fax program checks
> everyonce in a while to see if we have a ring on the line.  If so,
> then it (possibly asking the user if it is ok first) picks up the
> line, and then takes over the machine, receives the fax and then goes
> back to waiting..

    Is it possible to answer the fax call and put it on hold until the
computer is ready to receive?  How about distinguishing voice calls from
data calls from fax calls?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (gudat henrik)
Subject: FPE questions: this is a hard one!
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:00:11 GMT

HELP!
I'm still having problems with the FPE card..anybody out there who
knows how THIS works?
 
THE PROBLEM: when evaluating a formula, the FPE routines - a bunch of
macros (provided by the manufacturer) - work fine FOR SOME TIME.
Suddenly, let's say after 500 calls (sometimes immediately, sometimes
not at all...funny, eh?) the FPE gives up and returns always the same
number (a random number..sigh!).
 
NOW: the program is not responsible for this problem: when the FPE code
is turned off and SANE is called, everything works fine again.
 
I suspect that the FPE is a bit confused from time to time. I noticed
that resetting the card _helps_, but the manual does not say how a
program can detect such a situation. It only says: "..if the FPE
returns $0D1D in the response register, then the attempted operation
was invalid." HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? The manual clearly states in
another paragraph that you should never test for anything other than
$8900.. ("WARNING: don't...")
 
PLEEEASE could someone enlighten me?
 
Merci beaucoup,
 
henrik

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From: ben@sybase.com (Benjamin von Ullrich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: //e to donate: suggestions needed
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:18:10 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I wish to donate my apple //e and its periperals and software to a school or
other worthy cause in need of a computer.  do you know of any organizations
in the bay area that are in need of this type of machine?  no offers for
pieces of the machine; i do not wish to part out.

please reply via e-mail to ben@sybase.com.  thank you.

..ben
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From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Latest ProDOS File System INIT *is* 7.1 compatible!
Summary: ProDOS File System 1.2 *is* compatible
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:44:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: UB

In a previous message, cranem@edsi.plexus.COM (Mike Crane) says:

>As a (perhaps) interesting side note, the last time I checked (which
>wasn't too long ago), the current version of the ProDOS File System
>Extension is completely incompatible with Macintosh System 7.1.  It
>worked *great* under System 7.0 and 7.0.1, and made the Mac treat the
>ProDOS disk just like a Mac formatted disk.

Well, the version I just pulled off of ftp.apple.com (ProDOS File
System v1.2) *is* compatible with System 7.1, and even adds the
option of formatting ProDOS disks in the Finder!

The only surprise came when I used AccessPC (2.0) with ProDOS File
System 1.2.  Selecting "Erase Disk" or inserting a new disk in the
Finder with both extensions loaded causes AccessPC's Format dialog
to come up; if "Mac" is selected, then the ProDOS File System format
dialog appears, asking for a selection of either ProDOS or Mac.
It makes sense when one considers that the ProDOS File System's
format dialog replaces the standard format dialog, but it still
was a surprise nonetheless.

Floppies of all three types format and mount successfully, except
in one case: the new ProDOS File System INIT removes the ability
to format 400K Mac disks.  Not a severe limitation IMHO, but you
should consider this if it's important to you.

 -- Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: choosing sides
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:01:01 EST
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

Choosing Sides???

There seems to be a flame war going on within our little group.  I do 
not want to participate.  I read this group off of a bbs connected to 
Bates college; it cost me money to down load all of the various 
missives.  I read everything off line and reply the next day or latter. 
 I don't have the option of "dev/null" or whatever.  However, I became 
a participant by accident.  I recently wrote: "Matt, PLEASE CORRECT 
ME." and some other useless item in the same vein.  I'd like to 
apologize to all; I SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT!!!

Matt has recently demanded that we "STOP."  I hope we can.  However, 
though we seem to be computer nerds, we still are human and have 
feelings.  I was once a teacher.  Ancient history - college and high 
school.  While teaching high school, I had the honor of teaching EMH 
students in one of my classes.  The class was enjoyable; their 
ignorance was a joy to work with - a constant challenge.  While walking 
the halls, whenever I heard other students deride any of those 
students, I DERODE the individual very hard.  For those not at K-fest, 
I'm about Matts size, though I now have a disability, was athletic and 
was not an easy carry for the "derode" individual.

I value greatly and use the encyclopedic knowledge Matt (and others) 
provide!  However, I don't like being called stupid or having it 
implied that I am stupid; I'm sorry - I'm weak!!  I AM STUPID, BUT IT 
HURTS TO BE REMINDED.

I see that Matt has singled out individuals within one of his missives; 
I'll do the same.

Matt: when I'm wrong, let me know gently; I might cry otherwise and 
forget to read the whatever you are correcting.  Consider me EMH; think 
of all of us as EMH.  BE GENTILE!!!  I see that in a recent reply, you 
actually used a smiley face - THANKS!! 

Matts detractors: Consider Matt as God and hope he becomes benevolent!
He is not the MBA type who made the decision to kill the II series. 
Hate whomever within that group; I do as is evident from any of my 
diatribes.


Who's doing what and why??

Why doesn't ******** work??

I really enjoy those questions and the answers!!  Let's get back to 
them.

                              Larry

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.gno
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: ORCA system() command ... help!
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:39:05 GMT

behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:

>>bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>>>   It could be a bug in strdup.. after the strdup, pop into GSBug and
>>>see what the string actually is.
>>Recall that ORCA does not provide strdup, since it is not part of the ANSI C
>>standard. I assume you're referring to a GNO library with stdup in it?

>No, this is a lib (called strlib) that was posted long before GNO/ME on GEnie
>and other services. It has all the standard non-standard :) functions, like
>strdup, strlwr, strupr, stricmp, etc.

  Works under GNO but not ORCA?  And I didn't even plan that one! :-) :-)
  Try appending (or removing) a \r or \n from the end of the string.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Organization: Netcom; Renegade User
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:21:53 GMT

In article <75465@apple.apple.COM> dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes:
>In article <1992Dec6.164917.4359@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>[...]
>>This brings up an interesting situation. Apple is now charging for MAC
>>OS upgrades, and not just major revisions. I wonder if Apple will charge
>>for the update to 6.01?
>
>No.  My educated-but-not-official guess is that 6.0.1 will be distributed
>very similarly to past GS System Software releases.
>-- 
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>Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
>
>My opinions are my own, not Apple's.

    ___
     |he official word, at the meetings and at the user group meeting
 later that night that John Santoro and Tim Swihart were at, was that
 System 6.0.1 would be distributed in the same ways that System 6.0
 was.  They actually said that "Apple II system software will always
 be free," but then officials from Apple were known to have said that
 about Mac system software just a few months ago, too.
     _ 
    (_)ne thing that everyone may want to note is that, according to
 Tim Swihart, so many files were changed with System 6.0.1 that an
 update disk, such as the System 5.0 -> 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 -> 5.0.4
 could not be produced.  So, you're going to have to get all five/six
 disks again to update your system to 6.0.1.


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From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: Learn programming? (Was Re: My wish list from programmers)
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:26:54 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu wrote:

: 	OK.  Here's one "always wanted to learn but never had the time, etc
: etc" guy.  Any help for those beginners who would like to learn?  Specifically,
: what resources are available?  IE, if I wanted to write a desktop program, what
: should I look for, watch out for, or a DA, or a init, etc etc.  What books are
: good?  What language?  Assembly?  What about actual source code examples? 
: Anyone willing to contribute source examples?
: 	From what I can see, there's a very steep learning curve in the
: beginning, but once you are over it, you are over it.  The problem is getting
: over it...
: 	I have an idea for a da/init.  Upon boot up and when it crosses
: midnight, it would check a designated appleworks classic/gs db file for names
: and birthdays and stick in either on a line at the bottom of the screen or in a
: window or make a sign somewhere that there's yet again someone you forgot to
: send a birthday card to.  Probably a program of no value, but I had always
: wanted something to do that.  My problem is, HOW do I write something like
: that?  Lots of things I don't understand.  How to check when it crosses
: midnight?  I mean, that part I know, but how do you let a program "know"
: when it's midnight, and time for it to come out of the closet?  Obviously you
: can't have the program continuous check the time... (even under GNO... :) 
: Which brings up another point... how do you program for shell?)
: 	I suppose it's time to shell out for an assemble/compiler...  Which one
: should I pick up (ie, best price/performance/support)?
: 	Any replies, comments, helps and hints are very welcomed.  Oh yeah, I
: have access to VMS, Ultrix and Unix manuals too, and if there's any good stuff
: there, do tell.
: 	Ciao.
: 	
: -Tai
Your best bet would be 'How to program in C (or Pascal)' bundle form
Byteworks.  They have bundle packages with tutorials and the
ORCA/C (Orca/Pascal) compilers.  Actually, in terms of the C/Pascal
compilers its your only choice.  I have heard they are quite good...
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