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From: umueller@iiic.ethz.ch (Urban Dominik Mueller)
Subject: Re: IS XPK SAFE?
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naught bits, Bruce, llamas
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:32:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.181818.6455@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>Quoth dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen):
>]> 
>]> I'm very impressed with the XPK package and the XFH and XPK-handler
>]> file systems. BUT how reliable are they?
>]> 
>]> If you use/have used either of these, I would appreciate you thoughts.
>]> 
>]> 1. Have you ever lost data?
>]> 2. Was it obnoxious in any way?
>]> 3. Would you do it differently if given another chance?
>]> 4. Which handler would you recommend?
>]> 5. Do you back up your data in the compressed format?
>
>Also,
>
>   6. Anyone use a tape backup on say XH0: and live to tell about it?

You'd never back up XH0: but the AmigaDOS partition it is based on since
XH0: would have to be decompressed (slowdown) and takes more space on the
tape than the underlying DH0: oder whatever.

As for speed, that's not much of a prob. If you decompress a partition
with NUKEd files, you can still get high speed. NUKE decompresses at
over 30MB/min (A3000) which is much more than a tape streamer can handle.

When it comes to real time compression, BLZW compresses 9MB/min (A3000)
which will actually speed up any backup process done on a media that writes
less than 5MB/min or 80K/sec. This critical value can even be increased 
if asynchronous packing is used. Now we only need someone to build XPK
into BTN: (the backup programs wouldn't even know about compression!).

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
Date: 15 Nov 1992 13:52:37 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <OAHVENLA.92Nov15142130@lk-hp-4.hut.fi> oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:

>Bullshit. Coding time is a deciding factor in all applications. The bigger the
>application, the more important it is that the language is fast, to code,
>compile, and to debug. This is one reason why AMOS is not used in large
>applications. 

Well, then AMOS should reign surpreme in debugging and fast coding (over
C, Assembly, etc).  Since it IS BASIC, the code is easy to understand
(not to mention that the AMOS editor debugs stuff for you).  It is
easier and faster to type 'LoadIFF' than comparable code.

>For small, 10 line programs it's the same whether you write them in assembly,
>BASIC, FORTRAN, C, Pascal, Modula-2 or whatever, 15 minutes here or there won't
>make a difference. What would count in this case would be portability. Is AMOS
>available for HP Apollo or Sony News workstations, which we use in CS classes?

Ok, good point (AMOS is ported from Atari STOS, then improved, but some
code still should remain compatable).  I'm not saying is a good language
for learning CS, but for a beginner programmer (and it has many uses
beyond educational as well).

>It also teaches them bad programming manners that are hell to rid of.

Proof time.  Where is it?  AMOS uses subprograms (like C, Pascal, etc.)
which is a fundamental idea for computer science, as well as introducing
concepts and terminology that they will use in other languages on the
Amiga (if they want to learn another language).

>Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
>All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN


It has been brought to my attention by a certain party that this thread
is going all over the net.  I therefore suggest that, from now on, those
wishing to post on this thread make sure their subject headers are only
set for comp.sys.amiga.programming.

I appologize to everyone who were forced to bear this thread several
times.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mark@legend.akron.oh.us (Mark E Daniel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: FinalCopy
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mark@legend.akron.oh.us
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:03:59 EST
Organization: The Legend BBS Public Access (216)825-2747

In article <BxHCxD.Dq6@news.cs.andrews.edu> adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap) writes:
>
> I use it at 640x400 16 color interlaced.  Note I only have an ugly 1084
> Monitor.  If you want better display get some sort of flicker fixing
> hardware and hookup a multisync monitor to your amiga.

Why do Amiga users insist on spending $700 just to get something that's
readable?  I mean, why do we have to buy all these damned add-ons just
to make the system a little more convient when all that would be necessary
is a few little system upgrades?  I have a problem with paying for a
new OS upgrade just to get rid of dead-in-the-water tasks...  That should
be free.  NoI haven't pirated 2.04 and nor will I do so so don't
send me mail telling me to go pirate a copy of 2.04.  But the things
people have to pay for to make an Amiga more useable sometimes seems
insane.
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From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Re:
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:56:57 GMT
Reply-To: Carl-D@cup.portal.com (Carl Thomas Demelo)
Organization: Drexel U. - CCD - E4

In article <69662@cup.portal.com> Carl-D@cup.portal.com (Carl Thomas Demelo)
writes:
>>stages during my hard drive restoration process. The operation was successful
>>(ie. ReOrg optimized the drive and the drive autobooted upon reset) when my
>>drive was 20% full, 40% full, 50% full but not when 70-75% full.
>>
>>I contacted the author of ReOrg concerning this, and he sent me a very
>>detailed response on what he thought the problem might be and why. He
suggeste
>d
>>that the problem may be with the SetAutoBoot command. So, I contacted
Expansio
>n
>>Systems, the manufacturer of the DataFlyer and hence creator of the
SetAutoBoo
>t
>>command, for help. Their information, was, in a word, non-existent. I think
>>"We'll get back to you on this" is their favorite expression. I've phoned
them
>>3 times in the last week and I don't expect they'll ever have an answer for
me
>
>I've had similar problems using BAD with a Dataflyer/ST147N.  Expansion 
>Systems told me to make a boot floppy with the hard drive mountlist on it.
>Then mount dh0: and setautoboot on from the floppy startup sequence.
>It seems to work for me.

  I had the same problem when I had a DATAFLYER 500. It seems that the the
AutoBootROM of Dataflyer puts remembers where the boot code is on your Hard
Drive and expects to find it there next time or fails to boot. So if you RE-ORG
your disk, AutoBooting dies!
 
  Un fortunately I don't have the proceedure that I got from Expansion Systems
to "FIX" this problem.
From: craig@legend.akron.oh.us (CRAIG COOLEY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: amiga spreadsheat reading lotus 123 files
Reply-To: craig@legend.akron.oh.us
X-Software: Legend (216-825-2747) UUCPShell v4.9/med31May92
Organization: The Legend BBS Norton,OH USA (216)825-2747
X-Disclaimer: Opinions of users do not necessarily reflect those of managment
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:30:05 EST
Organization: The Legend BBS Public Access (216)825-2747

Is it possible to graph colums that aren't right next to each other?

I haven't found a way, and lotus 1.x will do this!  Lets go GoldDisk.
From: thly@pe.chalmers.se (Thomas Lydhig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: PageStream 2.21 questions!
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:16:14 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

Why can't I use CGZapfChancery and CGZapfdingbats together with PageStream?
I have not been able to use that font on none of this versions 2.1, 2.2HL
or 2.21. You can see the fonts on the screen and you can print them on a
dot matrix printer but you can forget Postscript and that is what I use for
the final printout!

In the new version (v2.2HL and v2.21) it's almost impossible to stop
printing if you have started a wrong printing (for example you have
forgot to print postscript to file instead of a device). The only thing
to do then it to Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga. 8-( Is there any solution on that?

EPSF. It's possible to import EPSF but you can't see the picture (WYSIWIG???)
and you can not Print it on non-postscript printer. Will PageStream be able
to do this in the future?

THANX,
	Thomas Lydhig / thly@pe.chalmers.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: hibrown@sarah.albany.edu (Herb Brown)
Subject: Re: Word processor with equation layout support?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:30:19 GMT

In article <PERLEY.92Nov22154430@galaxy.crd.ge.com> perley@galaxy.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.133022.19351@sarah.albany.edu> hibrown@sarah.albany.edu (Herb Brown) writes:
>
>   You are absolutely correct. Final Copy does not support mathematical
>   equations and should if it's to become a useful addition to the Amiga
>   software library. A word processor with support for writing mathematics 
>   is desperately needed for the Amiga. There are multitudes of students
>   who do not know TeX and do not have the time to learn TeX but need such
>   a pgm.  Are you listening FC? ProWrite? Whoever comes up with it first
>   stands to make a bundle of moola!!!
>
>   Herb
>
>I am pretty sure Herb is familiar with Maple.  Does Maple have the
>option of outputting formulae in postscript which could be included
>as a graphic by another program?  I have seen someone's setup on a
>Mac where they have a separate program for equation editing then
>cut and paste into their WP program.
>
>-don perley
>--
>perley@trub.crd.ge.com


Yes, Don, Maple V will permit postscript output. However, there are
many who simply need a word processor to write mathematics. Maple
was never intended for such a job. Also, Maple may not be readily 
available to many users. I don't see why such a beast hasn't been
created by now. Surely, there is a vast market for it on many
campuses throughout the world.

Herb


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:07:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.171302.19902@mercury.ncat.edu> jdross@mercury.ncat.edu writes:
>Anyone know anything about the 1200?  I heard that its supposed to be
>like the 4000 but slower and without the IBM bridgeboard...  
>
>         -jdross@garfield.ncat.edu
>
>

Try reading the comp.sys.amiga.hardware group.  There's a lot of talk
going on about the 1200 over there.

Edsel
--
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forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid
meeting."
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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: AIBB-Results was(More 4000 compatible software)
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:26:59 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov11.220118.11428@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> rittle@supra.comm.mot.com (Loren James Rittle) writes:
> In article <dworz.03y2@amazing.UUCP> dworz@amazing.UUCP (Christoph Dworzak) writes:
[zap]

People!  PLEASE state which version of AIBB and OS version you are using
when you post your benchmarks!  Some benchmarks *HAVE* changed between 4.65
and 5.00!

Glenn Doiron
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: Wordworth 2 preview (long)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.135738.6781@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:

>>
>>Encouraging news. It would be nice to know if they plan any distribution 
>>for North America.
>
>There is a demo version of Wordworth 2 on this months Amiga Format
>coverdisk (one of the coverdisks - the other coverdisk contains
>Scribble!). There is a credit to Agfa for allowing use of the
>CG Palatio font for the demo. Prices are #129 normal, #50 upgrade
>from v1.1, #60 upgrade from any old Amiga wp (special offer).

  I know this is a stretch, but is it possible/legal for someone
to post the demo on an ftp site so that us Americans can get a look 
at it?

>Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
>Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889


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From: bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky)
Subject: Re: IS XPK SAFE?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:34:45 CST
Organization: Operation Mindcrime

While we're on the subject of XPK, I was wondering if the authors could
explain why the BLZW compression won't compress. :-/  I tried to shrink
my mod files with it, and I found that in all cases it simply added an
XPK header onto the file, but did not compress it at all! The Nuke routine
works fine and gets similar results that I get on Power Packed files, but
I know the LZW compression should shave at least some excessive fat off
the Noise/Pro/Soundtracker files. (Unix Compress command does.)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mpue2@syma.sussex.ac.uk (James E. Talbut)
Subject: Re: PageStream 2.21 questions!
Organization: University of Sussex, five miles away from Brighton
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:17:41 GMT

In article <Bxs5z3.9oJ@news.chalmers.se> thly@pe.chalmers.se (Thomas Lydhig) writes:
>
>EPSF. It's possible to import EPSF but you can't see the picture (WYSIWIG???)
>and you can not Print it on non-postscript printer. Will PageStream be able
>to do this in the future?
>
I don't reckon it's PageStreams job to do this.
It would mean including a PS interpreter in the program, which would be
a pain for those who don't need it.
What I would like is a standalone program that can convert EPSF into DR2D.
This could then be used on anything.

And when both PageStream and the new prog support ARexx it wouldn't be
any more difficult than including it in PageStream.

If someone tells me how to write such a program I'll do it, but I don't
have much free time at the moment!

	J.T.
	

-- 
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	but it's better to be thoroughly sure.  -  Czech proverb

James Talbut            mpue2@syma.susx.ac.uk
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.applications:8702 comp.sys.amiga.introduction:1549
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: AMOS (was: Programming)
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:21:23 EST
 <1e5rq2INNa7e@ub.d.umn.edu><Bxs1D7.A3o@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <1e6v5sINN3om@ub.d.umn.edu><mwm.2nuv@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>
Distribution: world
Organization: Penn State University

In article <mwm.2nuv@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
(Mike Meyer) says:

>In <1e6v5sINN3om@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) wrote:
>> BTW, I'm sure Mandarin is working on a verion of AMOS that takes
>> advantage of the AGA chips (If that is not handled in AMOS Pro).

>Don't bet on it. If you've been reading the c.s.a newsgroups
>carefully, you'll have noticed that CBM isn't releasing hardware
>documentation for the AGA chipset. Seems they are sick and tired of
>trying to keep things like AMOS alive.

I imagine they must be sick and tired of maintaining the OS as well.
Wouldn't it be nice if idiot hackers didn't write cutsy GUI utilities,
but instead focused on proper, portable, console-only programs.
How is maintaining backward compatibility in the OS any different than
maintainging hardware compatibility? AmigsOS could have had memory
protection and resource tracking a long time ago except for those
damn Amiga-specific applications (probably written in a silly language
like C).

By the way, WHAT "serious" applications do you use your Amiga for?
I'm curious. Also, please supply a list of Amiga programs you've
written. You must consider yourself an expert, since you are so quick
to criticise everyone.

>On second thought, maybe there is a version of AMOS that takes
>advantage of the AGA chipset in the works; one that uses the 3.0
>system calls. If that version also fixes the behavior problems,
>bundling it with an A1200 could well produce another C64-class seller
>for CBM.

I still don't understand what you mean by "behavior problems". AMOS is
an Amiga application running under Exec. It doesn't use Intuition.
Why? Because Intuition does not support AMOS. Have you noticed that ALL
the good Amiga games take over the display? (Most take over the system as
well, but that's mostly to gain extra memory). As for bugs...care to claim
that Intuition/graphics.lib 1.0/1.1 was bug free? And it's not until 3.0
that C= finally rewrote WritePixel to not use the blitter (making it
three times faster). AMOS is like any large piece of a software, improving
with time. The original AMOS was said to be over a megabyte of source code
(not counting the compiler). Have you written anything remotely as large?
(Yourself, not some kind of group project). Enough ranting for now...:)
From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Is there a New Pagestream comming out?
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:25:49 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Mon 16 Nov 92  1:14, Soft-Logik@cup.portal.com (kevin W 
wrote:

 SLW> No major update of PageStream has been announced. There's nothing
 SLW> about to come out, so I suggest you buy now and start enjoying
yourself.

Still there are so many things that need to be polished!  Oh!  Yes.. you
still haven't got my card yet ;-)  Sorry, I just got it a couple of days
ago and haven't got the chance to mail it yet.. anyhow you guys leave a
pretty dirty screen after any kind of change!  And if you modify something
in the text, like fron normal on to shadow, the change doesn't appear until
you click off the box that you edit, and then click on it again.  Tant
REALLY needs to be addressed!

Plus there would be some more additions... anyhow I'll address them to you
on a later date, when I got more involved with the soft.

Do you have a special mailbox for suggestions?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: meyer@IASTATE.EDU (W T Meyer)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200
Reply-To: meyer@IASTATE.EDU (W T Meyer)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:53:53 GMT

I still haven't been able to find out what processor running at what frequency
is in the A1200.
Yes, I did a backwards search - I didn't find it.  C= failed to mention this in
their press release.
Does anyone have the answer?
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From: wfaust@venus.adsp.sub.org (Wolf Faust)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re:   Booklet pagenumbering
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:51:22 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Nov14.060045.379@sophia.smith.edu> jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes:

>...or use TeX.
>
>1-up, 2-up, ..., n-up -- no problem.  I've done it.  Just take
>you dvi file and run it through dvidvi with the appropriate
>parameters for your layout and presto, exactly what you wanted.
>No manual anything.

Why using dvidvi??  You can do that just fine with AmigaTeX within
your  text.   Also,  you  can  print  2  equal  portrait  pages in
landscape page for producing booklets in huge quantity....
I do just that with my manuals....

>=== jfieber@sophia.smith.edu

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From: vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Word processor with equation layout support?
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:00:47 GMT
Organization: California State University, Lost Angels

Is there an amiga wordprocessor (WYSIWYG, NOT TeX), that supports
equation layout? (such as FrameMaker, etc)? I looked at FinalCopy in a
store, and although they claimed math support, it turned out to be a
very expensivce calculator. :)   (unless I didn't know how to use it).

So, in other words, I would like to write documents that include
differential equations, so I would need support for the
integral/sumation signs. Any help out there? Anyone promising this in
any upcoming apps?

Thanks..


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