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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:34:43 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <C0Lz7K.FvG@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>What is your point?  That slavery was a barbaric practice?  So what
>else is new?  Slavery was a widespread practice all over the world in
>the 15th century.
  
One person does it and now it ok, and acceptable? I don't think so. So I guess
slavery had no factor in determining the condition of African-Americans today
too, right?

> Read your history:  Shaka,
>Zulu, Geghis Khan, the Aztecs.  All were quite brutal with "the
>enemy."  For better or worse, the history of nation building is the
>history of brutal aggression and slavery (not to mention torture and
>rape). 

What history have you read to document this? What books? And if this is totally
correct, then how did Europeans take over a whole continent of Africans
including one of the largest tribe, Zulu. I guess the Africans were have a nice
spree and wanted to be take over.

>The only real difference between European barbarism and that in other
>countries was that, because of advanced technology, the Europeans have
>been able to be much more efficient and systematic about it than other
>cultures.   In particular, Europeans had large oceangoing vessels
>which allowed them to permanently carry large numbers of slaves away
>from their homelands.  They also knew how to forge wrought iron to
>make shackles, and guns.
>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 

Your ignorance show through quite well in your writing, Africans had large sea
vessels. How do you suppose Hannibal got a fleet of Africans to Italy and
Europe. Remember elephants aren't indiginous to these continents. Also, if
Africans did not have ships how do you explain the African Presence in America
before Columbus in North America and in South America? So Africans could not
wrought iron, where did you get that one? I guess at the same time Africans did
not create the pyramids too? Research before you speak.

Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: Watching TV
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:38:54 GMT

To quote a recent post: "It seems like all the shows are either all white
or all black or some artificial half black half white family".
How many shows actually depicted said "artificial" family. One, that I can
think of (unless you are counting the Diff'rent Strokes, Webster genre).
And yes, True Colors sucked.  Very unrealistic, I thought.  But they got
to avoid showing an ACTUAL biracial child.  Okay, I thought of another such
family--the one on The Jeffersons.  A Black woman and a White man get
married and have a White son and a Black daughter.  And a DOCTOR tells
George Jefferson that there is a 25% chance that his grandchild will be
completely White.  Clearly TV executives need some BASIC understanding of
genetics.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:22:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1isc4pINN17p@morrow.stanford.edu> by HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels):

> Sorry to pop your balloon, Sergey, but to this cat, the USSR did
> liberate portions of Africa. To some Africans, the United States
> have done nothing but prop up puppets to do their dirties, in other
> words, maintain the status quo while ripping off their countries
> blind.

Exactly WHICH countries in Africa did the USSR "liberate"?  Maybe we have a
confusion of terms....

> My country has a bad record, with accompanying bad karma about to
> strike...

Name a significant country that DOESN'T, including a lot of African ones.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:31:15 GMT

In article <2B4E0152.13794@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.192532.11472@sequent.com> kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
>>In article <2B4DAF4C.5667@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>Dear, I'm not calling mySELF anything.  I'm saying that sometimes people
>are put off by me.  It's not MY problem; it's their weak and easily
>upset constitutions.  Chocolate gives some people hives.  Don't mean it
>ain't delicious.

Wooo, and I thought *I* thought I was God's gift to humanity.. this
threatens to take my cake. 

(Smiley for the humor-impaired) 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:51:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan7.194031.27873@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):

> >Without the foreign scientists, no way would America have created the Bomb.
> >Many Germans I know openly disdain the rest of the world and point that they
> >invented 70% of science. Open any science text book and check the surnmaes
> >of the scientists and see for yourself.......
> 
> I know who those scientists were, vaguely. I know that they were
> mostly foreign.

Ever heard of Enrico Fermi and Edward Teller?

> The atom, not Russia, determined the war. If the weapon was not
> invented, then perhaps Russia would have meant the different between
> victory and defeat. 
> 
The atomic bomb did NOT win WWII.  It certainly saved a lot of US lives, and
prevented certain near genocide of the Japanese, but in no way did it win
the war.

You ARE aware that Germany had SURRENDERED prior to the atomic bombing, 
aren't you?  Japan's ability to conduct offensive operations had been
virtually eliminated.  What the bomb did was to ensure:

1. US troops wouldn't die by the 100s of thousands (upwards of a million
estimated) in an invasion of Japan.

2. The more lucid elements in Japanese society had a deus ex machina excuse
to end the war.  The Japanese army was babbling about a great and honorable
battle to force better terms out of the US or even to defeat the invasion.
There wasn't much honorable about glowing in the dark, and even the Japanese
Chief of the Imperial General Staff was smart enough to figure it out.

3. The Russians weren't going to just keep going west without thinking twice.

Let's stick a bit more closely to the facts....



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From: eah0065@zeus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Malcom X Academy?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:17 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Does anyone have any info on this school? I've seen conversations of this school
on this network before but I just saw a Jerry Ringer T.V. show and I realized 
that there was alot of info that I didn't know. Did anyone else watch the show?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:37:13 GMT


Have you met H. Ross Perot? He's full of conspiracy theories too. Y'all'd hit
it off great.

	-Kenny

ps.- Marge's hair is blue (as in "the Blues") to recognize the struggle of
women everywhere having a "bad hair day". Pass it on.
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:01:26 GMT


Say! How many Usernames does Phillip "PeeWee" Stormer have??? My killfile
got fooled....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:45:32 GMT

In article <17783@umd5.umd.edu> spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:

Someone from the old killing fields on t.a.? 


>In article <93005.071806KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> 
>>    Poor Stephen Chaney!  Everyone is jumping on him for his statements  
>(and
>> rightly so). 
>Plus ca change, plus le meme chose (sp., please, high school french was a  
>long time ago). 
>This could have been written in ta (and probably was, actually, now that I  
>think of it). It is indeed nice to know that the Borg has found a new  
>home.

No, it started here. 
Actually, I haven't left the old home. I'm just  E X P A N D I N G  my
territory, so to speak.  


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From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women: (OH PLEEZ!!)
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:22:48 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Memphis State University

Gabrielle so eloquently writes...(with some deleted)

> Most of the time, we dress our hair and bodies for ourselves.

You got THAT one right, sista!!
> .
> I found it interesting that the Black Muslim women in the "X" movie
> did have their hair "done" under those veils.

I thought I was the only person who noticed that! :-)
> .
> Subconsciously, I admit, I may want to look like a white woman.  But
> most of the time, I like what I see, when it is my choice to be
> either straight (permed) or kinked (nappy girl hair!)

The first sentence...I don't know, but the rest I'm in TOTAL agreement!

 It's easy for
> me to care for it than the bush I used to wear.  I'm simply not not
> going through trips and changes over whether my hair is PC enuff for
> the brothers and sisters. 


You got that right!!

 What I wear, how I dress my hair is also
> an extension of how I see myself.  
>

Well put statement.

***
This whole speel about brothas dating others and so on is really getting tired!
I perm my hair because for me its a WHOLE lot easier to manage than the kinky
stuff and I would never change the way I present myself for any
psuedo-Afrocentric brother!!  

Look, date whomever you want, as long as you are happy...BOTTOM LINE!  If 
someone else has a problem with the way you dress, the people you date,or
WHATEVER for that matter...it's THEIR problem.  Personally, I think people
like that (those with the problem) are insecure about themselves and need to
get it together before they downgrade someone else. 


Hey, but that's just one sister's opinion, right??  Right!!!

Tundrea 
Memphis State University

P.S.--

A while back I posted asking for ideas regarding the Balck History Month
Celebration here at MSU for February.  I'll be posting the finished calendar
(FINALLY) very soon.  See Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Organization: The Devil's Advocate
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:29:49 GMT

In <1isalfINNqnm@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>>the Indians were.  That's as much of a myth as the one about
>>Columbus being a great discoverer.
>.
>.
>I never said they were perfect either.  But their stewardship of the
>earth has had a better record than ours.

Because of a superior moral system, or because the lacked the
technology to carry out the kind of rape that capitalist (and state
socialist) countries have accomplished?

>>>Whereas the white guys shelled out 60 million souls in Africa for
>>>the slave trade and consigned almost that amount of Natives to
>>>oblivion in the Americas.
>>
>>I'd like to see some documentation for the 60 million figure,
>.
>.
>As recently as the late 1980s, the author Toni Morrison, in the
>opening pages of her book, "Beloved" dedicates her book to the 60
>million or more black people who died in the slave trade.  Of course
>this includes those who were eaten by sharks and died from disease
>and ill use on the way and afterwards.
>.
>I know for a fact that Toni does research on her books.  My girl
>would not lie.  I've heard upwards to 30-60 million African lives
>were lost, as well as 30 million Indian peoples.

Come on Gabrielle, you can do better than that.  Toni Morrison might
be a good novelist or essayist, but she's hardly an historian.

>>No, the Native Americans were equal opportunity killers.  Just ask
>>the Hurons, or any number of other tribes completely wiped out by
>>brethren aboriginal Americans.
>.
>My original objection stands.  Did they use race as a criterion for
>killing?

No, they used tribal affiliation, an obviously much more ethical
criterion.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Prejudice by Asians and others (Was: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:44:10 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Sun, 10 Jan 93 18:47:19 GMT

In article <C0KE3q.F84@acsu.buffalo.edu> Danielle T Wei,
dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:
>I agree with you again, Japanese-culture (and a few others in Asia) are
very
>racist, but that does not make the Japanese-Americans racist.
>In fact, I believe most Japanese-Americans today are Democrats.
>(most Korean-Americans are Republicans, because of political situations)
>
>Ning Wang

IMHO, being Democrat or Republican (or Libertarian, or Natural Law, or etc...)
does not say anything as to whether you are a racist or not.

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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Attitudes
Summary: Black Leaders
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:41:35 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

>Where are the black leaders?
>
>David
>

David, the African-American leaders have been forced underground. Why? Out of
fear, out of self-preservation. But that will change, look for me in the News
very soon.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
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                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Reflecting America with a Fun House Mirror
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:39:36 GMT

In article <73431@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>                                1
>
>
>Hu's on First
>by Arthur Hu
>A Column for SF based Asian Week
>
>Jan 4, 1993
>1194 Fargate Circle
>San Jose CA 95131
>408-452-1873 eve
>415-968-4800 x240 day
>
>Clinton's Fun House Mirror
>
>positions and Hispanics got 2. Yet Asians got zero, zilch,
>nada despite the fact that 5 percent Asians are nearly equal
>to the Blacks who are only 6 percent and Hispanics who are
>just 3 percent of college graduates. And that's not counting
>that the math and verbal aptitude, along with income and
>unemployment rates of the average Black college graduate are
>no higher than the average White high school grad, while the
>average Asian tests 2 years ahead of a White grad.

  Since when was SAT scores used as a criterion for
  cabinet position?  I thought it was basically a
  "political" appointment, which means that qualification
  is based on the appointer's criteria.
>
  Let me see, I should be judged by the average SAT score
  of people who look like me?  This is ludicrous.
  This smacks of reverse-race-norming to me...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Was: Why we go for non-black women IS: HELP!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:14:53 GMT
Distribution: world 
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

As we were saying...

I'm looking for a publication which may provide a listing of black owned production enterprises, or an index of such (for the US). I am particularily intrested in pharmacutical (good lord, a grad degree and still can't spell) products, however any sources in the wider many manufacturing area would be interesting.
If you prefer to E-mail this, I may be reakched at:
lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca

Thanks in advance,
Phil


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From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:54:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Why we go for non-black women:y
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, ohall@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> Question: Why we go for non-black women(White women)?
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^
> Answer:   We don't!


	funny, i don't remember the original poster constraining
	his *non-black women* to WHITE women... i believe he was
	fed up with how black women have been treating him, in
	general, and has been driven away from them (hence, *non-
	black women*... just b/c he is presently dating a white
	women doesn't justify your minor flameage)...


peace,
pjm.
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world  
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:07:58 GMT

In article <106301@bu.edu> shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>In article <1idu69INNn4i@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan6.022217.19346@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>Stalin was no better than Hitler. It was an alliance with one monster against
>the other, not a holy war.
>Remember that WW2 was started by BOTH Hitler and Stalin, with their mutual
>invasion of Poland. Until the very beginning German invasion, the Soviet press
>was praising the "gallant struggle of German people against the forces of
>Anglo-American Imperialism".
>If only the Western people knew about the true nature of their "allies" -
>about the NKVD (KGB) troops positioned behind the lines before every major
>advance with orders to shoot anyone who tries to retreat (which they, of
>course, did). About the massive defections of soldiers to the Germans
>(something previously UNHEARD of in Russian history) who were ready to
>serve the hated enemy just to bring down the even more hated Communist
>government. 
>
>It wasn't a holy war of survival. More like trying to figure out which
>steamroller is least likely to roll you over.

Seems you and I read roughly the same history texts. 

(Now I'm going to hear more b.s. about how black I'm not and how I am
collaborating with the enemy and all that stuff. People are so
predictable sometimes...)


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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:29:01 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan8.205613.568@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
> . . . .
>my attitude is that after as much racist stuff [against black people] that you
>see from japanese/nisei individuals and/or from japan (including government
>officials) i am *totally* unsympathetic when i hear cries of racism against
>japanese people by white people.  my tendency is to think:  "yeah, they're ones
>to talk..."

I'm curious why you extended your comment to Americans of Japanese
Ancestry (Nisei are second-generation Japanese Americans).  I'm fairly
familiar with the Japanese-American community, and haven't noticed a level
of predjudice against African Americans that is any different from whites
of a similar age group--in other words, a few are flaming bigots, some are
pretty racist, many have their preconceptions but deny overt racism, and
some are pretty much free of prejudice.  Most Nisei are in their 60's and
70's, so this is pretty much the status quo for that generation (not that
I'm happy about it).  Their kids, the Sansei, seem considerably less
racist on average--I'm tempted to say less than whites of the same age
group, but I don't think I can generalize quite that much solely from
personal experience.  And I certainly think you've over-generalized from
yours...

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
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