From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Re : Vah vah
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:14:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <MUCIT.92Dec19161430@slate.cs.rochester.edu> mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes:


> Peki, siz nasil bir Turkiye gormek isterdiniz?  Son 70 senede nelerin 
> ne sekilde kimler tarafindan yapildigi bir kenera birakalim.  Su veya
> bu sekilde Turkiye bu gune geldi.  Bugunun Turkiye'sinde nelerin
> degismesini arzu ediyorsunuz?  Ben bu soruyu demagoji yapmak icin 
> sormuyorum.  Nette devamli son 70 seneden sikayet eden yazilari
> okuyoruz ama kimse cikip da istedikleri Turkiye'nin bugunku Turkiye'den
> farkinin ne oldugunu soylemiyor.  Ben merak ediyorum, nedir istenen
> degisliklik?  Bir kanun degisikligi midir?  Bir duzen degisikligi midir?
> Nedir?  Benim anladigim refah artsin, gelir duzeyi yukselsin vs. 
> isteklerden farkli istekler var.  Birisi bu yakinlarda "Musluman olmayanlar
> Turkiyeden gitsin" gibi acayip bir laf etti.  Boyle degisiklikler mi 
> isteniyor?  


Thanks very much. 

Some dogmas are much better at being the opposition than being
in the winner's seat and leading the country. Since no system
is perfect it's always easy to criticize. The question is not
about not being able to criticize. It's about being able to
produce a better system. The only way to convince people that
a better system exists is to produce one. Producing a system
in one's imagination is always easy. Producing a real one
is not so easy. It's not that people have not attempted to
produce radically different systems that are supposed to be
better than the ones in existence.  The problem is that they
don't measure up. If questioned about this, the proponents usually
say that "It's not real XXX-ism. The real XXX-ism would look like
this and this and this...." But they can never produce one.
Instead they argue among themselves whether such and such system
is the 'real-XX'. This has been the story for this century about
various versions of Marxism.

I see this constantly. Lots of people are cursing Ataturk for
abolishing the Caliphate, including Arabs, Turks and Iranians.

There's an American saying; 'Tis better to light one candle than
to curse the darkness.

Why curse Ataturk constantly when lighting a single candle will do?

Ataturk was not perfect but he did what he thought was the best
thing to do. So, he abolished the Caliphate. 

If another Caliphate is needed, what's stopping the people. In
the olden and golden days of Islam the first four Caliphs were
elected--not by popular vote but by a parliamentary kind of
a democracy. The elder and influential people elected the
Caliphs.  If the Caliph will solve all the problems of the
Islamic world then by all means a Caliph should be elected.
There are enough Sy'yeds in Iran and Pakistan to make a good
candidacy possible. If only the Sy'yeds were allowed to run, the
problems that plagued early Islam would be solved. There'd be
a democracy and a dynastic tradition at the same tim.

The real question is this; If Iran (which claims to be an Islamic
republic) is not one, and Saudi Arabia (same claim) is not
one, and let's not forget Pakistan and Sudan, then where is the
'real' Islamic republic ?  

For anyone to claim that the leaders of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,
Sudan (even Libya) did not create a real Islamic republic is 
tantamount to saying that there does not exist enough people in
those countries who really understood the Koran, the Hadiths and
the Sharia to create a real Islamic republic--whatever that means.

Do the people who post to these newsgroups then actually claim to
be so knowledgeable about these affairs that they can create
a 'real' Islamic republic when all these countries could not ?

That's like saying that there does not exist a single person
in all of those countries who has really understood the intention
of the Koran and that the poster is the only one (among a few) who
has really understood it.

Who is this person--not counting the crackpot from way down south
of the world who seems to have a fetish for repeating words from
the Koran :-)..

Yes, who is this person who has understood the real meaning of the
Koran and the Hadiths and the Sharia and the complexities of the
modern world so that he/she can create the perfect system for now
and for the next infinite number of centuries ?? Who ???

Let's light the candle instead of cursing the darkness.
-- 

	mark	


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