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From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Question on Harley Extended Warranty
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.003233.11742@advansoft.com> eparker@advansoft.com (Eric P
arker) writes:
>My local friendly Harley dealer wants me to buy an extended
>warranty for my bike. He claims I have to do it before the
>original warranty expires.
>
>Have any of you purchased one of these?
>Did they ever fix anything under warranty?
>Was it worth the $495.00 you paid for it?
>
I think the extended warranty is well worth the price.  Like any crapshoot,
you may or may not benefit.  My riding buddy purchased it for his bike
and never used it.  Good insurance, eh?  Yet others in our hog club have
used theirs and have benefited well by it.

I wish they still offered it for used bikes like they used to.  I'd buy it
for my FLST-C.

Arnie
From: brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Aged Ambrosia Rev.4
Summary: pre, dammit, pre
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:06:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


	Actually, the last line should read:

        "Soft, warm, contoured metal.  Give me pre-UNIT or give me DEATH."
                                               ^^^^

	Ambrosia, indeed!!!

-- 
    66
     >
     ^ .................. the edited "brucer" (DoD #0002)
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: risks of motorcycling vs experience
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:25:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.jaceagg
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) says:
>
>	1) your odds of colliding with another vehicle (or a tree or the
>		ground or whatever)
>	2) your odds of being seriously injured or killed once (1) has
>		happened 
>
>most riders don't get much practice in crashing

Speak for yourself :-)

Subtheory #12 says that dirt riders are better street riders, since they
DO have a lot of practice in crashing, and can hence reduce both 1 and 2.

>For an experienced rider, it seems like (1) could drop down near a comparable
>figure for motorists, but (2) will always be much higher.

I STRONGLY disagree. Look at the number of injuries to car drivers/passengers
from contacting the inside of the car. LOTS of head injuries from smashing
into the windshield, the dashboard, the A-pillar, and so forth. This is why
they're pushing band-aid solutions like airbags, and the push towards a
plastic coating on the inside of the windshield. Look at the number of
people crushed inside their cars; so many that EMT's now carry specialized
tools just to uncrush cars to get people out.

Bikers don't get crushed very often by their bikes; if they do, it isn't
very difficult to remove the bike. Helmeted bikers don't get large head or
facial injuries from a glass windshield or a steel A-pillar, because bikes
don't have them. 

If you contact a concrete wall or other such immovable object, both the
driver and the rider will fare badly. However, most accidents involve
contact with other vehicles, or glancing blows with immovable ones.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                  Silicon Graphics Advanced Systems Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: J.C. Whitney
Date: 14 Apr 1992 03:03:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: step2.berkeley.edu


Can someone tell me the phone number or address I can 
contact to get a copy of the latest J.C Whitney motorcycle
catalog?  E-mail or post OK.  Thanks.

Gary

meeker@kuhn.berkeley.edu


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mwallace@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Was: Shop manual for FJ1200?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:21:55 GMT

From: parker@mprgate.mpr.ca (Ross Parker)
Subject: Shop manual for FJ1200?

I'm told by a local YamaHonSuzi dealer that neither Haynes nor Clymer
make a manual for an FJ1200. I find this hard to believe...

Do any of the FJers out there have aftermarket manuals? Am I faced with
paying the megabucks for the factory Yamaha manual?

Ross
>>> Response Follows:
     I just bought an FJ shop manual (genuine Yamaha) for about 29.00.
     The guy at the parts counter also told me there wasn't one
     written by any aftermarket companies.  I did a little looking
     and never found one.  BTW I own several aftermarket manuals
     for other vehicles and this FJ manual looks alot better.
     Here is a couple examples: there are diagrams which show
     proper cable and wire routing, also there are lots of
     pictures, where a picture isn't clear an artist has gone
     back in and traced the pertinent details in.

     Mark Wallace, Castle Rock, CO
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:24:50 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT

shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes:
]> I think I'll put mine back in in the hopes it will piss him off...
]Cycle names in .signatures don't piss me off; they amuse me.

shucks... :-)

]I finally determined that a ZX-11 is made by Kawasaki!!!  I saw a black
]one (with purple graphics) this weekend.  What is a Goof2?  Is this a
]nickname for one a 600F2?

I'll tell you only if you tell me who makes a "dyna glide", whatever 
that is.

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@zx11.Cactus.Org                                   Austin, TX
       "Gleep is not in the zoo, nor is he a lion, tiger, or bear." 
                                         -- J.E. Quist
From: moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:40:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu> bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>
>I have heard several times that shaft drive does something to handling, but 
>never expressly *what* it does to handling.  Exactly what is "shaft 
>effect" and how can I feel for it?  I don't think my riding is of a sporty 
>enough nature to be affected by it yet, but It might be.

A shaft drive tends to raise the suspension when you give it the gas, and
lower the suspension when you chop the throttle. It's worse on some bikes
(like BMW's) than others (the Concours isn't too bad). To feel shaft
effect, go into a turn under power on your K100 until the peg is
scraping. Abruptly chop the throttle. The suspension will collapse, the
rear wheel will be unweighted as the frame contacts the pavement, and you
will have felt shaft effect just prior to experienceing crash effect.

Short shafts are batter than long shafts, and BMW has a suspension on some
models (K1 and R100GS ? maybe) that eliminates shaft effect.

 - Steve
moseley@u.washington.edu
DoD # 1951, COG, HOG, AMA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Celica smokes FZR 1000 @ racetrack
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:24:02 GMT

In <92097.152437JBEST@ESOC.BITNET> Jon <JBEST@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>The bike mag concluded that while you got wet and cold on the bike, the
>Porsche cost over 10 times as much and when you're sat in silent luxury
>at 160 mph it's just not as much fun.

>Any thoughts?

	I remember an advertisement on TV many years ago, with a Porsche
(944?) and some UJM running around a racetrack (they didn't say which
one, that I remember).  The photography was from a camera looking just
over the instrument panel, and you see a Porsche getting larger and then
getting passed like it was standing still.  The final spiel from the voice:
	"So how fast is the <insert UJM name>?  Ask the guy in the Porsche."
I thought it one of the more humorous commercials I'd seen in a while.

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >
From: Stafford@vax2.winona.msus.edu (J Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Ninja 250, buzzer or not?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:44:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Apr16.124429.364
Organization: msus

Possessed by memories of my old TD250 GP roadracer, I rode a Ninja 250 
yesterday and while the handling was great fun, it vibrated (buzzed)
to the point of numbing my hands. Point:  is this normal for this bike 
or is this one damaged on some way?  (Yes, I am brain-damaged for even 
thinking of buying such a fun little bike! --cheap!-- )
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: adding more fuel to the fire
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:40:41 GMT

[Idiot bicyclist causes (?) accident with idiot motorcyclist]

Sometimes you just have to throw up your hands!

-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Ringmaster, Boelter Hall Roach Circus--
   The more Angelino drivers I meet, the more I like Charles Manson.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Electronic countermeasures
Keywords: help
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 16:19:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.161202.5075@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:
>I like my Solo radar detector, I really do.  My Solo, which I have named        
>_The Ear of God_, has given me good service and has picked up signals           
.
. (the article deleted)
.
.
>Bill                                                                            
>ps. I have no idea why this came out double-spaced--I am learning a
>    new editor %-)

well, it looked double-spaced in the editor mode!!!

Ride free, and don't believe everything you see on a monitor,

Bill

________________________________________________________________
bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu  johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002   SR= 2.125
FJ1200 R100GS/PD 740GLE  KotV :-)
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

True humor has beneath it the understanding that we are all
in this together.  Hugh Prather
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Warning re. shoe-laces...
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:23:11 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <92097.125722SULDAL@ESOC.BITNET> SULDAL@ESOC.BITNET writes:

>Rider stops bike, taking his left
>foot from the footrest to put it on the ground. During this forward
>motion of the foot, the shoelace somehow gets caught by the shift lever
>preventing said foot from reaching the ground. As the biker simultaneously
>inclined the motorcycle just a little bit to the left - ....

Sigh! They have no idea, these young kids today riding plastic bikes
wearing platic trainers! Now I remember, back in the old days when Bikes
were Bikes and Bikers got the the kickstart lever stuck up their trouser
leg! Even a strong man couldn't get out of that in a hurry.  Shoelaces
indeed! No doubt their little legs aren't strong enough to snap a
shoelace. They'll be complaining about catching their skirts in the
chain next, and not being able to ride because it's raining. Grrr!
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How do I get rid of rust?!
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr15.173754.2324@HQ.Ileaf.COM> 
grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.192307.5706@mindcraft.com> 
>karish@mindcraft.com (Chuck Karish) writes:
>> Once you re-install the tank (with an in-line fuel filter
>> installed; get a clear one with a paper element for $2.69
>> at your favorite auto parts store) try clearing out the
>I use the in-line filters with elements formed from what appear
>to be small brass ball bearings that have been subjected to
>geologic pressure and have merged into one congealed mass of
>permeable metal.  In otherwords I use the metal element filters.

These sound like the kind of filters I've seen installed inline
in automobile carburetors in the past.  I was once told that they're
actually some kind of ceramic.  'Course, I don't know if what I
was told was correct.  Anybody know the *real* truth?

>Since you recommend the paper element filters maybe you could
>elaborate on your reasons.
>
>Though the elements in the filters I have are not replacable,
>they can be backflushed if they get clogged and then reinstalled.

If you and I are writing about the same type of ceramic/metallic
filter, then I think it prudent to explain/define how I think the
filter works.  I think this type of filter traps dirt within the
pores of the ceramic substrate (is this the right word?) as the 
fluid filters through the volume of the filter.  A paper filter 
traps dirt on the surface of a fairly thin membrane.

If these ceramic/metallic/whatever filters are so good, I think
they'd be very difficult to backflush.  Think about it this way...
If you're using a porous "volume-type" filter, then dirt/crud/whathaveyou
can migrate deeply into the "lattice" (maybe this is the right word?!)
of the filter material.  It would be exceedingly difficult to get all
the "dirt" out.  When changing these filters in cage carburetors, 
we used to replace 'em...that's right...just throw 'em out.  If 
you're using a paper "membrane" filter, the dirt shouldn't be difficult
to backflush with a little air pressure behind a dry membrane. 

You stated that your filter isn't replaceable, but the one's I'm
talkin' about can be bought from just about any auto-parts store.

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu       "Ineluctably Prolix" - John Norman Sims, Jr.
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:20:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Unfair Tickets!
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

/ boardman@cancer.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)  asks:

> and pull me over - I always figured that you had the right to try to outrun
> the persuit, and if you pulled it off and got away, you wouldn't get
> a ticket.  NO FAIR!  I OBJECT!  WHATS HAPPENING TO OUR RIGHTS, ANYWAYS!

     The only way you get away is if the officer cannot make a positive
ID.  A license number might not be a positive ID if someone else could
be driving.  A good description, if unique, can also be a positive ID.
If you run, make sure that no positive ID has been made because
everything you do while running, including evading arrest, will be added
to whatever it was they were trying to stop you for in the first place.
Often, the lights don't go on until the officer has a license number.
Also, usually if you run and they do get a positive ID you don't get a
ticket in the mail, you get a personal visit from your local officer.

     BTW, except for ducking into the right lane close enough to piss of
an officer my freeway riding technique is very similar to yours.  At
least it was last time I did it.  I don't do freeways much anymore.

Good luck at extending the time until you get creamed,

Ken `2 wheels good' Snyder
From: dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Daniel Weber)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Crossposting
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:16:50 GMT
Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Group

Concerning future posts about "Mustard", Brucer asks:
>
>       "should I cross-post to rec.motorcycles?"

Hell yes!  Otherwise I'll have to start wading thru rec.autos in order
to read your posts!
--
Daniel Weber					    dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.                 			    ...!uiucuxc!udc!dweber
1101 E. University Ave, Urbana, IL 61801            +1 217 384 8500

	  << Vive Cremare >>     DOD #00033     << Crema Vivere >>
From: candrlic@ug.cs.dal.ca (Trevor Matthew Candrlic)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Hole In My Tank-HELP!
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:58:23 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

Hello Motorcycle Folks,

    This weekend past I decided to try and start up the old gal (the bike)
and perhaps do some riding soon when the weather improves. Anyway, I lift the
garage door, walk over to the bike and notice that the paint on the lower 
portion on the tank has started to chip and peel - upon closer inspection I 
realize that there's a fucking hole in my tank! It's not big, yet - when I 
dry the area off it very slowly seeps out. I am assuming that the hole is from
rust working from the inside out. CAN IT BE STOPPED?    

Can anyone who has had this problem please advise me on my best course of      
action? Preferably I would like to be able to repair the hole with some kind 
of compund but if my tank is doomed could you let me know the going rate
for a tank for an '85 Shadow.


Any replies would be greatly appreciated - candrlic@ug.cs.dal.ca


C
Painfully
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mf@nvuxr.uucp (26217-fusco)
Subject: Highway bill and helmets
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:17:31 GMT

	I recently wrote to my senator and congressman
about the helmet law buried within the current highway bill
and asked them to support the Durenberger/Snowe bill (#2204)
which asks that the helmet law be looked at on its own merits.
(at least thats what someone wrote hear and they never lie).
Only Sen. Bill Bradley has responded so far and he mentioned
that the highway bill does not mandate a helmet law but does
offer extra funds for those states that have one.
He also didn't mention support or nonsupport for the other bill.
Hmmmmm.  
Anyone else get a reaction?      Comments?


*****************************************************************
 Marc Fusco       DoD #418     	         mf@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com   
*****************************************************************
From: brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Summary: how about ...
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:20:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Apr8.174603.19971@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:
+ 
+ Japanese bikes are called "rice burners", Italian bikes are called "pasta
+ burners", so what do we call American bikes (Harleys)?
+ 
+ Some possibilities:
+ 
+   - oil burners
+   - burger burners
+   - money burners
+   - wallet burners
+ 
+ Any one else have any suggestions?
+ 
	how about:

		"thu uhmerkin dream"

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Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:13364 rec.motorcycles.racing:566
From: ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Steering Stem Bearing Failure ??
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:23:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: nas.1992Apr15.172304.18179
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <92101.093249PAH112@psuvm.psu.edu> PAH112@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Hello,
>
>A while back, I asked for advice on a vibrating fork (back to front), and many
>said that it was a wheel imbalance.  The problem still exists.  I would like to
>know if the problem could be the steering stem bearings.  I still get the vib.

 To check, apply front brake firmly, push bike forward while lifting up, then 
reduce push. If there is ANY play, they need adjustment. It is unlikely
that these have gone bad unless you hit something at speed. More likely
is that there is play in your forks (ugh!), which may be as mminor as
worn slider berings, to bent tubes, to out of round tubes. 

>around 70-80 mph, and at lower speeds, it feels like the thing will tank slap
>if I don't hold on to the bars tightly.  How difficult is it to replace these?
>Are these bearings the problem???  BTW, when I removed my front wheel, I could
>move the forks back and forth about 1/8", now I know that can't be right.  Is
>this what is ruining my handling?

This is probably a problem. fork play should be minimal. The forces that are
exerted at 90MPH are going to be many times that of you working it at rest.

Try replacing the fork slider berings (two per fork minimum) and also check
for roundness and straightnes of the tubes. Mic the inside of the lower
tube also to check for roundness (top side fro USD). Bent tubes can also
cause instability (tank slap). 

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr)
Subject: Aftermarket wheel for CBR1000
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:14:19 GMT
Organization: U of Kentucky, Computer & Mathematical Sciences Division
X-Bytes: 

Hi gang.  Do any of you know of an aftermarket motorcycle wheel/rim
manufacturer and/or supplier?  I am interested in widening my rear
wheel from (I believe) 3.5" X 17" to 5.5" X 17".  I would like to
change from my existing 140/70 tire to a 180/70.  With the existing
wheel I can go as large as a low profile 160/60 or even a 170, but
the local dealer thinks that would make the tire look rounder than
unusual and thus produce unusual handle characteristics (I agree).  This is
for an 87 CBR1000.  Now, I know all that jazz about "not changing
tire or wheel sizes", that "it can/will effect the handling" (some times
for the worst).  Or "the manufacturer has tested and came up with the
best fit for your bike" lecture :-)  And I always appreciate it when I am
reminded of all this.  But, I would really be grateful if you can direct
me to any source that specialize in motorcycle wheels that would be
able to supply me with a wheel that will fit my motorcycle with the
existing swing arm.  The dealer here is going to call American Honda
to see if the 90 CBR1000 wheel (5.5" X 17") will fit an 87 or not?  But
it has taken them for ever and that's why I am asking you, the net
experts.  BTW, does anyone know if it does?  Also, the stock mud
protector/cover will not fit on top of any tire larger than the stock
(it WILL rub on the tire).  Do you know of any place that supplies 
them.  I really hate to just have to pull it out, cause it also covers
my chain (chain cover and mud cover are in one piece).  And I would hate
to have to clean mud from the bottom of my seat.  As always, thanks in advance
for any and all comments and advise.  

P.S.  Thank you once again to everyone who advised me on aftermaket
      exhaust systems (long time ago).  I finally installed a set of
      stainless steel supertrapp slip-ons.  With 8 diffuser discs on
      each end, she is running identical to stock setting (absolutely
      no flat spots).  With absolutely no performance gains :-(  but a
      sweeter exhaust note (which is all that I was looking for).

-- 
- Amir Sadr,  Dept. of Computer Science   AMA#633741  amir@ms.uky.edu
- University of Kentucky                  DoD#0606    amir@UKMA.BITNET
- Lexington,  KY 40506-0027               CBR1000F    [rutgers,uunet]!ukma!amir
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From: brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: How much are 1992 R100GS' going for???
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:33:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


	Is $6820 a good price for a 1992 R100GS ?????

	email response please to:

		att!drutx!brucer
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     ^ .................. brucer (DoD #0002)