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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.mag,alt.zines
Subject: Our Times, Canadian pro-union magazine
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:23:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Aug23.142338.15345
Organization: Echo Beach

I thought this message from Our Times magazine might be of interest to
people reading this newsgroup.
 
(begin forwarded message)

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           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: mail magazines
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:18:20 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.

kckbxr@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) writes:
>On a similar, yet different question:  If a company sends you a  
>subscription for a magazine/order/whatever and you didn't sign anything,  
>are you obligated to pay them?  I'm just curious.

If a company sends you *anything* through the mail that you didn't
ask them to send you, I believe it's legally considered a gift, and
you are under no obligation whatsoever to the sending company.  This
includes magazines, very small rocks, and the sample edible panty
of the month.  Of course, I'm not a lawyer (fortunately), so take
the above with the appropriately sized grain of salt.
-- 
Roger Ritter N1FZZ (R.Ritter@ma30.bull.com) PP-ASEL, AGI
1946 Luscombe 8A N71983 "Rocky"
Sheep do not so much fly as plummet!        NH CAP: Profile 49
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From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Subject: Re: BOS
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:49:24 GMT

In article <92229.105407MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>"Bundle of Sticks" (BOS) is a zine that every thinking GM should
>check out.

What's a "GM"?
-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
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From: fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford)
Subject: WANTED: 2M crystals
Followup-To: rec.radio.swap
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:41:14 GMT


I am looking for a source to purchase crystals for a 2M rig.
Right now, I would like to find 7.18+, 7.24+, and 6.94-.
Anyone know of a company selling these or of an individual
that does the same?  Thanks.
-- 
Keith Ford        __                                  73s, KA4ZDG
Intergraph Corp  /  \ Micro Magic BBS 1:373/12  Rush/Opus Archive
+1 205 730-8614  \__/ sysop@umagic.fidonet.org  server@ingr.com
fordke@ingr.com  [__] 830-2362 HST/V32bis 9600  "Subject: HELP"
From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Moose vs. Elk
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:04:14 GMT
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center

In article <1405@yetti.UUCP>, french@cs.yorku.ca (Lori French) writes:
|>  Ok, so how about caribou?  I was under the impression that
|>   elk and caribou were the same.   This could become confusing...
|>

Ya know, I've pretty much solved this perplexing and effort-full
problem of knowing the names of things by using a simpler system.

When someone asks what they call 'that flower over there', I 
identify it as a 'pretty blue flower'.  When they ask what they
call that 'bird way up there in the sky', I identify it as a
'pretty neat big (or little) bird'.  I'm happy.   :)

gee, did that help?????

---
Greg Jahn, Boise State Univ.|"In this selfish age, public-spirited
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu / | acts were left to the individual, and
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    / | what could the individual do on his
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  / | own?"        - Adolfo Bioy Casares
From: janbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com (Jan Blair)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,tek.general
Subject: Re: Insect repellent
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:33:45 GMT
Organization: NTI
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3

In article <6482@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> John F Stoops,
johnst@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM writes:
>My son and I are about to go on our annual backpack trip on Ranier. 
Last year
>at Mowich Lake, the mosquitos were ferocious!  The regular insect
repellents
>helped some but I'd like something more effective.  I have heard that
Avon's
>"Skin So Soft" is a great bug repellent.  When I looked in my wife's Avon
>catalog, there were at least 6 different "Skin So Soft" products - bath
oil,
>body lotion, etc.  Can anybody tell me which of these is the right one
to use
>as bug repellent?  Also - has anybody had any experience with this stuff
- is
>it really effective?  Or do you know of a really effective brand of
insect
>repellent?
>     Please reply by e-mail.


Can't reply by e-mail, but maybe you'll get this posting.  Water down the
Skin-So-Soft bath oil if you are intent on using it and it works for you.
Three parts water, one part oil is OK.  Avon also offers an after bath
towlette that is easier to pack, and slightly less concentrated than the
oil.  I have had more success with a homeopathic (read: expensive) goo
called Sting Stop.  A light coating of this (best if applied to damp
skin) seems to work well. The Sting Stop also works "apres bite" to
relieve the itch.  If it's unbearable, the best response is to limit the
amount of skin exposed with long sleeves and a head net. You have to
weigh the disadvantages of this given the temperature.  Good luck.
From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: camping in New Mexico?
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:01:21 GMT
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta

I highly recommend the White Mountain Wilderness area around Ruidoso in
south central New Mexico, especially in fall.  Magnificent displays of Aspen
trees in full fall glory, crisp temperature during the day, clear air, superb
long distance views.  Best way from Albuquerque is I25 south to San Antonio, 
then state 380 east past Carrizozo to Capitan, then south to Ruidoso.
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Oregon Wallowas...pack animals
Keywords: alpine lakes - where?
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz) writes:

>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>
>>Pack animals should not be allowed beyond the parking lot, as they
>>further reduce in scale the tiny fragments of remaining wilderness.

>Here are some other equally stupid and inflamatory assertions:
>* There is an infinitesimally small segment of the general population,
>  known collectively as the Truly Enlightened(tm). [etc...]

This reductio ad absurdum proof of the fallaciousness of the original
assertion has convinced me that all sentient beings have equal rights to
the backcountry.  Since pack animals and humans are equal, it is perfectly
acceptable for humans to defecate on the trails and stomp on, knock down,
pull or dig up, or otherwise maul any form of plant life.  People
have the right and perhaps the duty to be as obnoxious and destructive 
as pack animals if they are to properly utilize the backcountry.

	 George Tucker        tucker@tcville.hac.com
What is the world's largest government subsidy to agriculture,
terrorism, speedboat manufacturing, organized crime, and prison
construction?
From: richk@tera.com (Richard Korry)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Hiking in Sawtooths/Wallowas
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:32:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tera Computer Corporation, Seattle, WA

Bringing the discussion back to hiking, I'm looking to do a 5 day trip
in the Sawtooths or the Wallowas. I'm interested in any high
alpine traverses in theses areas and/or good hikes that are relatively
unpopulated. I have maps for both areas. Is there a traverse to be done
on Hurricane Divide in the Wallowas? e-mail is great. Thanks.
	richard
From: martink@homer.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (kenneth m martin)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Wanted, good 4-5 day East Coast hike
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:58:23 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

I'm doing a 4-5 day hike in late August and would like suggestions on
nice places to go.  I'm limiting myself to N.C. up to N.H./Canada.

I've heard that the Pisca (spelling) National Forest in N.C. is nice. 
Any comments ?

I've been to the White Mountains, Adirondaks & Long Trail recently.

- Thanks a bunch
- Ken Martin

-- 
==============================================================
Ken Martin 
martink@crd.ge.com
General Electric Corporate R&D
Expressing my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer
===============================================================
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Frequency of Bear Encounters on Hiking Trails
Keywords: bears encounters hiking
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:24:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Most of the bears I have seen have been in either Kings Canyon or
Yosemite.  The last time I saw a bear (well accually it was two bears)
was when I was on may way up to do Half Dome.  Some hikers thought it
would be a good idea to hind their stuff in some bushes while they
hiked the rest of the way up the cables.  Well the bears agreed, as
they were shreading every item they found.  The funniest part was when
one bear bit into a Sigg bottle full of fuel.  The bear was not too
happy about having white gas squirt into its mouth.

Black bears are cool, grizzlies are really cool, Kodiacs scare the
hell out me.

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"Pucky lads, a wee bit over their heads"

	Doug Scott after encountering two climbers
	on Denali suffering from exposure.
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From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: MSR Stoves - Whisperlite Int'l. vs. X-
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:08:44 GMT

In article <88689@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes:
> 
> Before getting this stove, I managed for 15 years with a SVEA 123. Looking
> back, I wonder why I put up with it - always tempermental about lighting,
> always requiring cleaning and with only two speeds (ROAR and OFF).
> 
I had to laugh (at myself too) when I read that.  Why did any of us 
put up with them?  
If you're just a 3-day-er like me, why bother with the Peak Multi-fuel?
It doesn't burn as hot as the Peak1.  But what I really want to know is:
why can't they make the Peak1 as least as light as the Multi-fuel?
  
Bruce
From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Frequency of Bear Encounters on Hiking Trails
Date: 21 Aug 1992 17:16:04 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu

So, here's my bit on bear encouters.  After spending an entire summer living
in the Sandwich Range Wilderness of New Hampshire (trail crew) and doing a
lot of hiking and canoeing in the Adirondacks I would have to say that I've
seen more Black Bear in the backcountry than deer or moose.  The only time
I've ever seen a moose is while driving.  The only time I see deer is when
I'm back in Rochester or Syracuse or someother large city (in the county
parks or golf courses, or adjacent farmland).  But I've seen bear 6 times in
the past 2 years.  2 encounters were with camp-bears.  I cursed them out
while they made a professional appraisal of my food-bag arrangement. (in one
case I won, in the other the bear did (broke the rope at the knot).  2 other
encounters were at about 100 + yds.  With the bear and myself giving each
other calm and mutual respect for distance.  The remaining 2 were the most
humorous.  In both cases a close crashing brought my eye around to see a
charging bear, which sent me flying in the opposite direction, until my
higher brain could figure out that the bear was scared shitless and running
away as-well.  I'm sure that there are many people around who have had
orders of magnitude more experience with Black Bears than I have, but I have
to say that after about number 3 I stopped being scared of Black Bears (the
evolutionally older parts of my brain will disagree if quizzed by the sight
of a running bear, but....).  I think bears are cool, I think that wild
bears are intelligent and warily curious.  And I'm happy to know that
they're numbers are increasing in the Northeast.

-diverson@phys.ksu.edu
--
diverson@phys.ksu.edu
From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:29:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <scott.714356872@phylo> scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard) writes:
>There are many excellent reasons for not allowing dogs in National
>Parks, among the ones I can think of:
[...]
>Elimination of Animal Waste.
>
[...]
>Horses are a different issue alltogether. I won't even mention
>what I think of them, mules, or other trail destroying portable
>crap dispensers. :-)

All this crap about crap...I too get real tired of seeing the
natural results of consumption and digestion in the wild, but
most of what I see is due to deer, elk, coyotes, geese, etc.
Camped downwind from an elk wallow in Tellurium Park last year,
smelled like a feedlot.

I think it should be up to the FS, BLM, and NPS to enact
legislation toward the removal of _all_ waste producing
animals from public lands. Until then, rangers should
be employed shoveling up and packing out all feces of all
kinds, to a place where it can be disposed of in a more
responsible manner!



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From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Subject: Re: Moose & Elk
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.145922.4586@raven.alaska.edu> randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman) writes:
>Moose differ from elk in that the male moose has large flat antlers,
>whereas elk have
>large palmated antlers - neither flat nor webbed.  Other differences
>abound, but this
>is one striking difference. 
>

Sure, like a couple hundred pounds, and a couple feet at the head?

chris
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Thermarest vs. Ridgerest or Ensolite?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|>   So what I'm asking is: do thermarests provide that much
|> more comfort over ridgerests or ensolite pads to be worth the
|> extra money (and weight if you're packing)?

This is a personal preference issue.  Note that the same company makes both
Thermarests and Ridgerests, so they're covering both sides of the debate.

I have an ultralight 3/4 length Thermarest and a 3/4 length Ridgerest.  Yes,
the Thermarest is much more comfortable than the Ridgerest.  The Thermarest
is also much less bulky when packed (important when backpacking).  On the
other hand, even the lightest Thermarest is twice as heavy as a Ridgerest.
Because of the weight issue and the possibility of leaking, I usually use my
Ridgerest on long backpacking trips.  I'm usually too tired at bedtime to
notice the difference, anyway.  On shorter backpacking trips and when car
camping, I always use the Thermarest (and bring my patch kit).

There is little difference between the Ridgerest and ensolite.  I think the
Ridgerest is a little more comfortable for the same weight and bulk.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Backcountry Coffee:  Heresy!!!!!!
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:28:56 GMT

JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com> () writes:
>Am I to infer from all the previous furor that I am the only trekker to
>use (oh God, do I dare say the word.....shudder) INSTANT coffee?????

ack pphhhppt!!  run away, run away!! ;~)

Actually, who even needs coffee in the backcountry.  I'm so
happy to be out of town and in the woods that I could just sh*t
without it.

--Chris


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From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Comments on Yellowstone and WOLF SITING
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:38:13 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1449600021@igc.apc.org> Dan Yurman <dyurman@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>The best time to see Old Faithful is in a rainstorm, preferably
>a summer downpour of tropical dimensions. It's very pretty
>and there is no one out there except you and the ground
>squirrils.  

I perfer to see it in the winter time.  I have been there several
times in December and had the "show" to myself.  It is a real treat.
In three trips to Yellowstone (all in winter) I have never been
disappointed.

>PS: Facts to impress your friends with.  The residence time
>for water underground coming up with each eruption of old
>faithful is about 500 years.  Basically, the water flowing
>past your feet last saw the surface of the earth about the
>time Columbus set out to discover the new world.

Interesting fact, atleast about the water.  Unfortunately, Columbus
never set out to "discover" the "new" world.  He was looking for a new
passage way to India.  Besides the Native Americans had known about
the "new" world for several thousand years, it was just that the "old'
world had not figured it out yet.  Columbus did however clue them in
on it.  ;-).



Also, on Friday nights local (SLC) news they show a film clip of a
lone WOLF feeding off of a bison carcus in Yellowstone.  A researcher
was documenting the bears and managed to get ~10 minutes of footage of
the wolf feeding off the carcus.  It has not been confirmed by wolf
experts but it seems that if true good ole mother nature has been
busy.  THe best part is that there does have to be any agreement
between the recovery program and the cattle ranchers over losses due
to wolves killing cattle.  Tuesday and Wednesday fo this week there
are two hearings (SLC and Boise) onthe reintroduction program.

Cheers,

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"Pucky lads, a wee bit over their heads"

	Doug Scott after encountering two climbers
	on Denali suffering from exposure.
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From: scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:27:52 GMT

There are many excellent reasons for not allowing dogs in National
Parks, among the ones I can think of:

Introduction of Diseases to Wildlife, such as Parvovirus and Distemper.
Destruction of Native Wildlife by Feral Dogs.
Noise.
Elimination of Animal Waste.

While I'm sure that you are a responsible pet owner, there are
many people who aren't. And in case you don't believe that dogs
can transmit diseases to wildlife, check out what Parvovirus has
done to the Isle Royale Wolf Population.

Horses are a different issue alltogether. I won't even mention
what I think of them, mules, or other trail destroying portable
crap dispensers. :-)
From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Svea 123R (was: MSR Stoves - Whisperlite Int'l. vs. X-)
Keywords: SVEA, STOVE, NOISE
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:43:49 GMT
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1992Aug19.200037.24615@fang.att.com> stamer@fang.att.com (Greg Stamer) writes:
>>Before getting this stove, I managed for 15 years with a SVEA 123. Looking
>>back, I wonder why I put up with it - always tempermental about lighting,
>>always requiring cleaning and with only two speeds (ROAR and OFF).
>
>Okay Bob, you're bordering on blasphemy here! :^)
>
>I have been using a Svea 123R for 14 years.  It it easy to prime, has good
>flame control, simmers very well and has never let me down.  Due to the
>internal cleaning needle, I have never had to disassemble the stove for
>cleaning.  The exterior of the stove will get sooty due to priming but
>since the body of the stove is covered by the windscreen your gear will
>not be soiled.  The stove IS noisy (the flame control is more aptly called
>the volume control) and it is amazing how starkly quiet the backcountry
>seems when the stove is turned off!
>

     I have to put in a good word for Svea's here too.  I've never used the
priming paste, and have never had a problem.  When it's *real* cold, I have to
use the gas in the bowl method twice, but no real problems.  I "inherited" my
Svea's so they are the old model, and actually have *very* good flame control.
Maybe it's the new model that has flame control problems ?



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From: jle@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jer/ Eberhard)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Camping near Glacier Park, Canada
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:10:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

>   i'm going to be looking for a car camp or short walk in camp in or
> near Glacier Nat'l park in Canada. The descriptions in the books i've
> gotten are rather sketchy, so i'm wondering if anyone has any
> recommendations for the area around Revelstoke or Glacier. this would
> be for just one night. [primary destination is yoho.]

The Park campground in town, in Waterton in Canada is wonderful.  Hot
showers and walking distance (short) to the trails.  There is an
overflow campground ~3 miles out of town if the in-town one is full and
the rangers will call the other campground to ensure that there is a
spot for you.  Something else to do is take the boat ride past the "goat
cliffs" to the US side and use your back country camping permit...
quite, wonderful vistas...  enjoy.  Be sure to be on time for the boat
departure...  they don't wait.

Jer/ Eberhard, (SLASH), HAM = N0FZD     | Hewlett-Packard - MS99, 1UP10,15'East
Pilot: COMM, INST, CFI-Airplane & Glider| 3404 East Harmony Road (303) 229-2861
CAP CFI, Check & Mission, Pikes Peak 218| Fort Collins, Colorado  80525-9599 
EMAIL:  jle@fc.hp.com or Jer_Eberhard@fc.hp.com
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