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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SEX, SEX, SEX!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:11:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Nov13.032523.26165@wam.umd.edu> bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
>Subject: Re: SEX, SEX, SEX!!!
>OK, now that I got your attention.  My cousin and I are planning a trip out
>West for sometime during mid to late March.  He is a beginner and I am a mid-
>to (hopefully by then) upper level intermediate.  Anyway, can anyone give me
>SERIOUS suggestions on where is good.

I hear tell there is good sex in Vail, even for a beginner.
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colorado?
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:45:45 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Most of the front range areas will be open by this weekend.  Keystone is
reporting 11" of new this morning.  Most areas still have a minority of their
trails open (Vail, with 250 acres, leads the pack).  Open:  Loveland, Keystone,
Breckenridge, Aspen, and Vail are open.  Copper has moved their openning date
up to this Friday (13 November).  The storm today could open A, too.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: aspen to crested butte
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <MICHAEL.92Nov10211008@pullet.lanl.gov> michael@pullet.lanl.gov (Michael I Angerman) writes:
>
>there is a nice trail thru the maroon bells wilderness area
>that takes you from the maroon bells parking lot to scofield pass,
>then you can ski along the road to crested butte.
>this is not recommended as a day trip.

And there are no huts or other "improvements" along this route. 

Also note that the road is closed from the riding stable to the parking 
lot in winter, according to the forest service folks I talked to this 
past summer.  I would imagine that a trek up the road and then on up 
to past the beaver houses to the lake would make a nice day trip 
in the winter.  

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com ()
Subject: Re: Weather Forecast for Tahoe???????
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:15:07 GMT

In article <1340380@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
|>  <gag> <splutter> <choke> WAIT...jim, what are you doing? *You* of all
|>  people advocating that somebody move to Tahoe? 
|> 
|>  :-)
|> 
|>  ..glen
Better there than Colorado.

jim t
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:33:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Opinion on Dynastar Verticals as a *telemark* ski?
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, matt@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Matt Yamamoto) writes:

> [story of ski delamination]

 Ah yes, the infamous "behind-the-binding" delamination syndrome...know
 it well. I went through 4 pairs of Olins and one pair of Dynamic VR
 27s that way. I finally figured out what *really* causes it: over
 flexing the skis in the bumps. Let's pull out the magic ASCII blackboard
 and draw a picture:

            Rear Binding Track
                    |
                    v
                  #######               #####               /
     ------------------------------------------------------'
                 ^
                 |
              Point A

 In the absence of a binding, if the ski is flexed between two moguls
 it (the ski) will have a relatively smooth curve along the length of
 the ski. The problem is that the binding track acts as a local stiffener
 and prevents the ski from taking on this smooth curve. Most of the
 stress gets concentrated at point A. This effect is magnified if you 
 happen to be sitting back a bit in the bumps since you're flexing
 the tail of the ski harder.

 One of the results of this stress concentration is that rather respectable
 shear forces are generated at the surface of the ski. If the ski happens
 to have a metal top edge, or even worse, a metal top layer, the glue
 usually can't take it and the ski starts to delaminate. 

 But wait, there's more. Once the delamination process starts it gets 
 worse quick. Moisture gets inside the ski, freezes, and worsens the 
 delamination. Before you know it, the entire top surface is gone.

 What's the solution? Well, I found two. First I switched to skis that had
 no metal on top (K2). Then I learned to ski better. I hated to admit it
 but even though I was spending most of my days in the bumps I really 
 didn't know how to ski 'em all that well. Now that I've, er, updated
 my style a bit I find that I can even ski GS skis in the bumps without
 destroying them....it's not a great idea but it can be done.

 ..glen
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:31:50 -0500 
From: Joseph Stanley Motyka <jmcn+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Vacation?

Hey folks,

I'm thinking of taking a trip over Christmas break to go skiing
somewhere and was wondering if somebody could give me a few suggestions.
 I'm from the northeast and PRICE is a factor!

Thanks a bunch!

     Joe
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From: mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt)
Subject: Re: Survey on Firearms carried while skiing (serious survey)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:23:59 GMT

HOLY SHIT!! Did I miss something here!??!  Has there been a recent surge in 
hill-side violence?  Did I miss the issue of USA TODAY covering the increase in 
ski-by shootings last year??  Should I be concerned about where I ski, avoiding 
bad parts of the mountain like I would bad parts of a city?  Is this the 
future?  Water skiiers with shoulder holsters?  Wind surfers with AK-47 
"hunting rifles" strapped to their masts?!? 

Personally I really don't see the need to be carrying a gun while skiing.  Are
some folks really so uptight that they feel the need to arm themselves 
against fellow skiers?  

I guess it is their right to bear arms, lets not crack the whole Constitution
interpretation can of worms open here, but I think people should leave their 
guns at home if they are going skiing.  

I think that packing a gun while skiing can only PROMOTE violence, 
or accidently injure or kill someone needlessly. 

I have never felt the need to carry a gun while skiing.  It makes me very  
uncomfortable to know that there are bozos out there skiing and/or falling with
guns on there person.  This whole thing is beyond gun control. 

This is just wacked!  If you want to carry a gun while you ski, then stay home!!!

These are my opinions only of course.

Mike.      



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From: liza@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza Hope Rothschild)
Subject: Re: What's Hunter?
Keywords: Do you want a better option?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:57:08 GMT

If you want to avoid some of the crowds at Hunter, try Windham.  It's just
a couple of exits away (there are signs everywhere), the skiing is comprable,
and you won't spend quite as long standing on lift lines.
 


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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Actual Vail Comments,
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:27:50 GMT

In article <Bx98w8.61M@spdg.com> rwaters@spdg.com (Rolland Waters) writes:
>> 6.  It also has a high percentage of fake people.
>Fake?  Vail Fake?  This is one of the most outrageously true statements
>ever to grace the halls of rec.skiing.  Very fake.  Bavaria in the
>desert, I was really embarrassed to be near any Germans who might
>think I was there because I liked the architecture.

Oh, you guys don't want to scare the tourists (readers) away do you?
Vail is real.
Vail is just a sample of the good old American dream of life.
Hollywood is fake.  Dizzyland is fake.  Powder is Utah is fake.
It's like travelling to EPCOT in a way (German pavilion).

>Eugene, splap a tracker on this guy, and a detector at Eisenhower
>tunnel!  We've got a powderhound to follow! 

I don't need to, I only need to ask colleagues where he is. 8^)
[So you guys are getting a Cray-3/CM-5 eh?]
And I have X-Ced above that area of the Continental divide (with Andy Beals
of the net of all people).  But then I like to sniff out my own powder.
It helps with the tracking skills.

Remember, don't ski that dangerous powder.  If powder is encountered,
home of snow snakes, contact immediately.  Scientifically done.
We'll pack it down.  Powder busters.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Is or will Sunday River be open for Turkey Day ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:53:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I'd love to ski the day after Thanksgiving.  Since I'm going to be in the White Mountains, I was wondering if Sunday River is open or will be open by then.
Skiing that weekend just might get me through my finals.

Thanks
Matt
-- 
Matt Ross
mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
What ever you do, take care of your shoes.
From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (The Whooping Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Size 11-11.5 ski boots for sale
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:29:41 -0500
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu


I have a pair of Salomon SX71 ski boots for sale.
They are grey and fit size 11 to 11.5 foot.
I only used them 3 times and they are in great shape.
I would like around $100 for them.
Or feel free to make an offer!!

I also have a pair of size 11-11.5 Raichle Flexon Comps.
These boots are black and yellow.  they are in good condition.
I would like around $100 for them also but feel
free to make an offer.

Please reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu

Thanks,

Curt
-- 
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 Curt Crane                         "Excuse me, I'm a vomitous pig!"
 crane@coral.bucknell.edu
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Tahoe conditions & net Re: Ms. Information/the Humor Challenged 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 15:32:33 GMT

Drove by Boring Hill (why do they call it that? and also flatstar).
The main difference from last weekend was that only the lower area
with snomaking was open.  On a mid-day Friday, the lot was 1/3 full (for
not much skiing).  If you want to ski with this little snow, that's your
business and your base).

Temps: 55 to 32
Winds 0
Snow level 6500 ft. N exposures.
Skies: sunny  no storms in sight (I wish)
SUN just peeking over the the machine room window.
Oops, wrong sun.

In article <1992Nov5.192258.3976@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@edsr.eds.com
(Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>>>Oh boy.. Here we go again...
>
>Actually, all off-the-topic banter and bullshit that goes on in this group
>is what makes it one of my favorites.  It behaves more like a normal
>conversation than any other group I subscribe too.

I agree a lot with this.  I don't think that every post has to be read,
and not every post has to have the staid format of a dull trip report.
This is the Usenet, and it has its own atmosphere unlike magazines
or TV programs.  If people want to pigeon-hole articles into their
concept of what the net should be, then I suggest subscribing to Prodigy(tm).
While we can certainly be a little extreme at times, that's my opinion
and none of the other readers has to share that.

>Now, where'd The Shark go?

The last I saw him, he was in alt.tv.northern-exp when I was monitoring
that group briefly.  I think you can be assured he is reading you
and this.

Insert your own pithy Vail comment.				3.0
I'm off to breaskfast.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Some S. California resorts to open Thursday, 11/12!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:03:15 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu

Hi all,

I received word that Mountain High and Bear Mountain open tomorrow, 
Thursday 11/12.

Do you know what kind of snow coverage these places have?

In other words, do you know how many runs might be open?

Of course it's all man-made snow, but it's skiing nonetheless...

Toshi
tt@wag.caltech.edu
From: long@hal.COM (Long Hu)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Looking for tahoe accommodation
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:10:14 -0800
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: bluebird.hal.com
Summary: Need cabin in tahoe area
Keywords: cabin tahoe


I am looking for accommodation for December 28, 29 in the south Lake Tahoe
area. The ideal choice would be a 3 or 4 bedroom cabin. If you have any
information about cabin or have a cabin for rent, I would appreciate
hearing from you.

long
From: franck@ug.cs.dal.ca (Glenn Franck)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wanted: ski rack
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:22:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

Howdy, fellow ski-persons! :-)

Looks like a long winter of snow and skiing ahead (here's hoping), and me
with no ski rack. Anybody out there have a rack that they'd like to sell
for a reasonable price?

Here's what I'm ideally looking for:

- Thule or Yakima (I guess it always comes down to these; if you have another
		that you're trying to sell, let me know anyway)
- DOES NOT have to have a lock (just so it stays shut! :)
- around $100 or less
- carry four sets of skis
(BTW, the car I have has gutters)

Please reply via e-mail if you have anything to sell that more-or-less fits
this criteria.

-G!enn


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: swelch@hp-4.cae.wisc.EDU (Steven Welch)
Subject: Big Mountain, MT vs. Jackson Hole, WY
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:52:31 CST
Originator: swelch@hp-4.cae.wisc.edu
Keywords: 
	I am making my annual trip west to Bozeman, MT with the usual


large crowd of classmates to my uncle's ranch. I do this because I grew
fond of some of the bars while working on his ranch, (I was introduced
to them by my co-workers, Montana State Univ. rodeo team).
	My dilema(sp?) is to decide on which place to go to, Big Mountain
or Jackson Hole. I had immediately thought Jackson Hole, but my uncle
insists that Big Mountain is a can't miss. I will also be going to the
best kept secret in the West, (the powder of Bridger Bowl). Do not 
suggest Big Sky because I have been there quite a few times. It is a nice
place.
	Any input would be appreciated, we are leaving for a week begin-
ning Jan. 7. We are serious partiers and serious skiers. Hell, were young.

Thanks,
Steve 
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From: alan@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Alan Hawrylyshen)
Subject: Re: Telemark Ski Brakes
Organization: The University of Calgary
	<JEFFK.92Nov5102647@dosXX.med.utah.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:43:12 GMT

Jeff writes:
>   wayne trzyna writes:
>
>      I'm soliciting opinions, hopefully based on experience, about the
>      Volle release plates with brakes.  Do the brakes stay completely 
>      out of the way as well as the brakes on downhill skis?  Are
>      there any problems with them?
>
>   ============================
>
>   The brakes on "Voile" release bindings are basically
>   the same as those on alpine bindings; although they
>   are of simpler design, and do not 'fold in' like the
>   lastest alpine brakes.  When in the compressed/skiing
>   position they lie even with the release plate, perhaps
>   extending a few mm below the top of the ski.
>
> [stuff about high angle turns and offsets deleted]

Another complaint that I have about the Voile brakes is that they
only fit on narrow tele skis.  I could not get them to fit on my
lift area boards (Volkl Zebra's).  Other than this complaint, I 
understand that they are quite functional, and most of my ski mates
that use them are impressed with their performance.
	...Alan




--
alan@cpsc.ucalgary.ca		Dept. of Computer Science
Alan B. Hawrylyshen		University of Calgary, CANADAland

"The freedom to be, is gained with the freedom to see."
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing tomorrow
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:21:53 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: co
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Loveland tomorrow it is.  If any other net.person is planning to go up tomorrow
and wants to meet us in all our snow-covered glory, lemme know by e-mail!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eomiya@borland.com (Elliot Omiya)
Subject: Mammoth?
Originator: eomiya@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:01:14 GMT

Anyone been to Mammoth since it opened?  How's the skiing?


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (K J Leiden)
Subject: TEXAS SKIERS SAY WHAT?  
Organization: Lockheed
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:02:07 GMT

My buddy was skiing in New Mexico a few years back,
waiting in the lift line.  Down the hill comes a
Texas gal in a $600 ski suit.  She proceeds to
face plant right next to my buddy.  She collects
herself and looks around for her boyfriend and says,

"Shoot dang Billy Bob, them green circles are a B*tch!"

-- 
Ken Leiden
Sunnyvale, CA
kjl@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:22:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <683@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>	SKI VAIL is actually a code word for SKI ALTA

Most skiers would not enjoy Alta as much as they would Vail.
(This is not a joke, OK?)  They would find the lack of trail
grooming, night-life, etc. and the large amount of traversing
and uphill climbing  detestable. One of the undercurrents of
this thread is that as Alta makes more and more "improvements"
it's becoming more and more Vail-like, hence it will appeal to
more and more skiers.  But it's not quite there yet.  Depending
on what it is you want, Vail might really be the better choice.

I can't understand why anyone would ski Vail, for the same
reason I don't understand why anyone would live on the East
or West coasts.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challeng
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:50:46 GMT

eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>going to Europe.  I'm not quite certain what Chris means by a linear city.
>I thought the Bay Area was filled with linear cities.  And frankly if you

Linear man, it's no wider than a freeway.

--Chris
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: Skiamericard Woes
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:48:20 GMT

chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:

>I've purchased a Skiamericard every year for about 5 years.
>A few months ago I got my "renew now for special price" letter and, as I
>done every year, sent in my money.

>As I walked out of the  largest  ski sale in  Colorado  (Sniagrab)  I fo
>Skiamericard  booths lining the street giving away free cards.  The *exa
>same card I'd already paid for.

>I called Skiamericard and got some bozo who just said "I don't know what
>tell you".

>I will never purchase another Skiamericard.

Not to defend ASA but just to point out the facts.  I purchased a
SkiAmericard and a ShredAmericard along with the full size directory
for 32.00.  A co-worker told me he got a free SkiAmericard also,
as it turns out you have to apply for a Visa card to get the
free SkiAmericard and all you get is the pocket size directory.

If you'd opted to buy the card at the booth it would have cost
10.00 for the SkiAmericard plus pocket directory.  So if
you paid 16.00 thru the mail you paid 6.00 for the large
directory.

You are right though you're not getting any special deal
by purchasing by mail...

Mark
From: long@hal.COM (Long Hu)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: skis for sale
Summary: excellent skis for sale cheap
Keywords: skis Rossignol
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:03:11 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bluebird.hal.com


I have a pair of Rossignol STS Carbon ski for sale. The length is 195. The
binding on the ski is Tyrolia 490. This ski was used last season for only
couple of times. It is in great condition. The value for this ski/binding
package was about $350.00. I am willing to let it go for $150.00. If you
are interested, please contact me by email or call me at (408)441-0910.
Bay area residents only please.


Long Hu
long@hal.com
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