From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Religious Belief = Faith, a reply to S. Pandian
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:41:12 GMT

In <lag0maINNlct@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu> raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.213950.20982@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:

    What do you mean "TRUE" tamizh. What is atleast
>Are you an athiest?  I believe that you "TRUE" tamils at least have
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>faith in murugan and ayyapan.  And, when you advocate that brahmin
>priests who are learned in the Vedas should be replaced with priests
>who do prayers in Tamil, that at least indicates some belief in prayer.
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  What are you? Only thing we can conclude is you say you
are a "brahmin".
How do you say you are one. That basic assumption itself is fishy
and based on dogma of caste system. Just because your ancestors said
so! I hope you are not a "atamizh" or "athiest" or "averything other than
sanskrit and brahmanism".
"anthaNar yenpOr aRavOr maRRavuyirkum
 senthaNmai pooNdozhuka laan." vEdam 30

"The virtuous are truly called anthaNar; because in their conduct towards
all creatures they ar clothed in kindness. So anybody who fits
the above definition can be  a brahmin.
 
>I beleive the answer should be YES to some of these questions.  In that case,
>why do you ridicule someone's faith that God had a hand in some
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God sees everybody the same way. He just does not want only
the Brahmins close to him. Everybody is the same!
"piRapokkum yella vuyirkkum siRapovvaa
 seithozhil vERumai yaan". 
 Equality  -vedam 972
All human beings agree as regards their birth but differ as regards
their characteristics, because of their actions. I can right a chapter
of a book on equality from our vedic perspective. From ouwaiyaar
to kaNNadhaasan. 
>experience simply because the source is a Brahmin?  Why do you

>I am a Brahmin.  I enjoy doing my sandyavandanam.  I believe in
        ^^^^^^^^
 We don't worry about your sandyaas. If it gives you happiness that's 
good for you. For me "kavasam" gives the same effect OK!. 
>the stories that it imparts a certain spiritual power.  No, I
>of miles away.  I instead hope you can recite the sanskrit words that
>express the good thoughts.  No need to be jealous of us Brahmins in this 
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>books on the pronunciation of sanskrit words are available.
                               
>Since you like stories about faith from Brahmins (you need something
>to make fun of tomorrow, right?)

>you want all sanskrit prayers replaced with tamil prayers because
>God only listens to Tamil.  Then tell me

 We don't have to be jealous of you. On the other hand you guys
want to put everybody in a mayakkam(maaya){confusion} by uttering
something which people don't understand and most of you guys don't
know. If you know the meaning of saiva-siddhanta mantiram
Om! you will know that Om! comprises of a+u+m .
The last "m" stands for maaya. Om! sivaaya means that if
you are in maaya you want to come out by calling sivan.(God)
By worshipping in a real spoken language (telugu, gujaraathi
or tamizh or assamese) people will understand what somebody
is uttering and don't have to just stand bemused by your
language(which you yourself don't know for sure). Knowledge and
getting out of "maaya" can happen only when some body knows
what is happening? Why? Why can't be poojas be performed in
the vernacular. Why are you guys scared. You guys are jealous
of tamizhs because they build temples and request poojas
to be performed in tamizh. 
Here I am referring tamizh, but you can do it any
language because God did not assign by any thumb rule
that only "paarpaans" should do pooja and only in tamizh.
We only say ""paarpaans" can also do poojas also in tamizh." 
>Leave me to my beliefs in peace.
Nobody is bothering you. You go ahead with your way. We know our
way.

>Did anyone ask for this, or is this your crusade?  Please post
>interpretations of the *entire* content of the Vedas, if you
>wish to examine if it is good or bad.  I seem to recall that
>the Vedas contain things like MEDICAL knowledge, MATHEMATICS,
>ASTRONOMY, MUSIC, DANCE, and other arts like ASTROLOGY and the
>use of WEAPONS.  By posting only partial interpretations, and
>advocating that the Vedas are "worthless" or "crap", you are
>only making enemies.

   I learnt a lot about vedas from the postings of
meenan and pandian. I myself did not know so many things
in "rig veda" and "geetha".
>Don't hide like Mr. Vishnu under the veil "but those exact words
>were not mine .. they were Mr. Kathiravan's".  My use of YOU refers
>to all those who have been posting anti-vedic articles, and I
>invite all of YOU to respond.  

I still maintain that if somebody has shit on top of the food he
is serving and is saying that he will filter the shit and serve
me food, I don't want the food. As simple as that.

>Bottom Line:  If YOU people (intended pointer to a Ross Perot speech)
> post sensationalistic articles containing partial information, I will 
> definitely defend my beliefs.  I will feel happy continuing hate
> wars on the net.  I would much rather be accused of being communal
> than sit back and see slander spouted without response in a public
> forum.

> Start a mailing list if you want to examine negative aspects on the
> Vedas.  By posting partial information in this public forum, you
> are only serving to make me further concerned about the reservation
> issue                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^

How did reservation turn up suddenly? Incongruous.
i                        
> My God, what manner of person is being uplifted by these quotas?
> These idiots, in a senseless fit of jeolousy and hatred about
> events that happened a hundred or more years ago, are completely
> ignoring the good things from an ancient culture, and are openly
> advocating the complete destruction of that culture based on
> a few negative examples!!  What's going to be left of the culture
> I was raised in?  If these guys learn to read and write, they are
> only going to type sladerous articles on soc.culture.tamil,
> and the feeding frenzy from this may lead these guys to join
> in on the looting of temples and vandalizing property that the
> "graduates" have moved on to!

> We have to stop this before it is too late... What, the BC/SC/STs
> comprise more than 75% of the entering classes in college now???
> No!! We won't stand seeing our culture destroyed by the majority.
> Time to buys AK-47s and form a liberation army!

   I am clear that you come from the same terrorist
family of "godse". I see that in the following lines.
All the time, I had only suspision. Now it is clear.
Allready in the (45 years of freedom you have ruled
more than 40 years. killed 10000's in your political
"yagas" (tamizhs, muslims, sikhs and every minority
who has self respect)

> URGENT APPEAL TO BRAHMINS EVERYWHERE.  PLEASE SEND MONEY AND
> YOUR CHILDREN TO FORM THE VEDANADU LIBERATION ARMY!!!!  WE 
> WILL START BY RECOVERING THE TEMPLE LANDS SEIZED BY THE
> ALLIES OF MR. PANDIAN WHO HAVE BEEN RULING TN FOR THE PAST
> THREE DECADES!!!

>Oh, and Mr. Pandian writes, my goal is not to make anyone mad.
>I hope I succeeded. Smiley intended.  But, see the length
>of this article and the variety of concerns raised, should
>tell you how mad you made me!!!

>STOP POSTING SLANDAR if you truly wish hate wars to stop.  You
>are wasting your time, and you are wasting mine (in this case,
>two and half hours), by writing articles that are too insulting to
>sit back and ignore.

>Scared shitless that your kind controls TN,
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Only your kind (JJJJJ) is ruling TN.
Neat job.

>- raman rajagopalan



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