From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:30:50 GMT

etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
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: 
:       This weekend I was taking the underground into the city to do some
:       shopping. When I came up to the platform at the suburb station
:       where I usually take the underground, there were already a few
:       persons there. Among other a young islamic woman with a little
:       child in a baby carriage. She had her head covered in some sort of
:       head cloth and very loose clothing so you couldn't see the shape
:       of her figure. She had that kind of thickset appearance so common
:       among immigrant women. I thought that it is ironic that it's not
:       the most beautiful women in Sweden that hide themselves from men's
:       eyes, but rather the ugliest. But then I was really astonished to
:       hear her talk perfect Swedish. It was an older woman nearby who
:       asked her about something and when she replied I realized that she
:       was in fact a native Swede.

What is ironical in The Nordic States that especially the ladies convert
into the Islam. We are thought that the women of Scandinavia are for freedom
and libarated and "the most progressive" in the world. Then you notice that
the converts are them, not so much Scandinavian men. It means that many
women do not feel well in freedom and in mathriarchal society like Sweden,
Norway,Iceland adn Finland are but have a desire to live in the pathriachat.
Islam is very pathriarchal religion and it interests especially scandinavian
women. This should give some thoughts for the scandinavian men.
Also in Finland the converts are mostly ladies!
This is sometihing to think about for the women right fighters and feminists.
jarmo
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:       I started wondering how it can be that a native Swedish woman
:       convert to Islam. Love, of course, but isn't it typical that it is
:       always the woman who adjust to the man and not vice versa. Even
:       when the man is the member of a minority culture. I was disturbed
:       over her being a Swede and also a Moslem, and even more disturbed
:       over the fact that I was disturbed. How come that you're disturbed
:       I said  to myself, you're for religious freedom and also positive
:       to immigration. The answer I guess, is that I always associated
:       Swedes (and Scandinavians) with tolerance, pragmatism and a
:       certain kind of non-religousness. Fundamentalism, Christian or
:       Islamic is just not part of our national heritage and to see a
:       Swede conform to mores that IMHO are not in line with what I would
:       call a free life is depressing. Perhaps some people can't live
:       with the uncertainess of freedom, but must escape into an absolute
:       belief, religous or political.
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The question is very interesting from the sociological point of view.
Why especially the scandinavian ladies convert into Islam and not the men?
Does some scandinavian women dislike the mathriarchat, "freedom",
sexual liberation,liberalism,the position of the family in Scandinavian
society...or what.
jarmo
:       Mats Winberg
:       Stockholm, Sweden
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From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:13:31 GMT
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