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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: New Titans #92
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:04:29 GMT

Well time for my usual addition to Titans comments.....

I found myself enjoying this issue more...not because of the wonderful plot,
but as Dani said, because the characters are being explored more.

Donna does need a clue knocked into her skull and Chaos is a Super
Villain (TM) but those are both correctable.

Im soory to say it....I now love Pantha...*sigh*  those comments of hers, and
her patter with Baby usually send me reeling.  At least this is a "animal"
character with a CHARACTER to it.

I still say vivisect Phantasm and bring Raven and Joey back...but then 
again Im a dreamer

Since when can Kilowatt "turn off" his power...I thought he was transformed
into pure energy?

Oh well at least after this is over maybe Terry will be put into a hole and
we wont see his and Donna's married life for awhile.....

-- 
  "If the best things in life are free, then my current price is
   $37k with a 10% downpayment."
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Titans #92
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:54:21 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BvItnI.AtI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>Well time for my usual addition to Titans comments.....

[Various comments on New Titans #92 deleted]

>Since when can Kilowatt "turn off" his power...I thought he was transformed
>into pure energy?

If you read the origin of Kilowatt in Team Titans #1 (obviously, the
Kilowatt version), they make a passing reference in the end of the
origin story to the fact that Kilowatt can return to human form.  He
just never did it on-panel before, I guess (I'm assuming he does so
in this issue; I haven't read it yet).

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: v003nnc3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: why no punisher?
Keywords: why no punisher?
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I don't know if people just aren't writing about Punisher because no one else
does, but I just thought I'd see if anyone was interested.  I know his kind of
in between old and new character status, but anyone with info. or whatever
please post.

later,
Mr. Bungle 
(Philip Delyani) 
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: MISC: Endless poster on Roseanne 9/29
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:36:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.135942.3029@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
>The subject line says it all.  When Roseanne went up to Darlene's
>room to chastise her for allowing David to sleep over, we see an
>Endless poster on the wall over her shoulder.  We knew Darlene and
>David were collaborating on a comic and had been to a convention in
>Chicago.  Now we know she's a Sandman fan, too.

Oh hell! Not only am I buying issues of Spawn, now I have to watch Roseanne.
I may be taking this fan thing a bit too far.

>BTW, there have been two posters so far, haven't there?  The Endless
>poster is the second.  What did the other one look like?  (Or am
>I dreaming?)

The second one was Still Life with Cats by Dringenberg. This was 
probably the one that was on last night.

The first one came out during the three month period that DC was calling
"Sandman Month." I'm not sure where it fell into the order of the Sandshit [tm].
I think it came out just before or after the Death watch. 

Anyway, it was a poster of Death and Dream with Dream standing behind a
sitting Death. Dream has he arms outstretched, with his cloak spread out 
behind Death. I think Jones did he artwork. To be honest, I much prefer
the second poster and not just because it has cats in it.
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
From: sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:57:39 GMT
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys

In article <1992Oct2.211522.12121@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Wow!  Sandman #43 is one of the best issues to date.  No dramatic
>revelations, not much action, no side-splitting humor -- just solid
>and superb writing from the beginning to the end.

Seconded.

>The writing gets off to a wonderful start as Gaiman introduces us,
>in easy stages, to an understanding of what is meant by 'old'.  The
>numbers he drops (ten *thousand*!) suggest a world that is far stranger 
>than it appears on the surface -- a strangeness at the roots, not the
>sort of surface strangeness of, for instance, super-powered folks in
>brightly colored long-johns flying through the air.  It's also a
>thoroughly Gaimanish tip of the hat at the comics that are forever
>digging up new millenia-old villains that nobody's ever heard of before.

I enthusiastically recommend _Books of Magic_ for more of the same;
the Phantom Stranger's tour of the past(s) of Earth gave the DC
universe (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) a sweep and grandeur
that I had never seen before.  He continues to develop this theme
in the other issues, particularly in Mr. E's tour of the future.
It made the superhero genre much more three-dimensional for me,
at least for a while.  That mythic proportion is something that
only Moore and Gaiman seem to be able to achieve, for me.  This
is, as Dani says, "strangeness at the roots" and not new layers
of psychedelic paint on the same old house (which is what, for
example, Grant Morrison often achieves with his strangenesses).

>This introduction does far more than set the atmosphere, though.  It
>also sets up a mystery:  Someone doesn't want Destruction found.  (I'd
>guess it's most likely to be Desire, as this sort of murder -- while
>within Destruction's jurisdiction -- seems out of character for him.
>But is Desire *allowed* to kill?  It *is* trespassing.)

Um, I don't know about that.  I mean, Dream was prepared to kill the
vortex, and that wasn't trespassing.  It's not trespassing on Death's
domain to kill someone; rather, it is trespassing to take the person
away thereafter.  Death doesn't kill people... she just takes them
away when it's over.



--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
 The only thing that is constant in the universe is change ... except when
 you need it for the bus.  -Yogi Havnagudtime Vishnuvahere (T. Kazurinsky)
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From: kinnes@unvax.union.edu (Steven W. Kinne)
Subject: Batman: The Harvey Dent dilemma
Keywords: batman animated series
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:48:44 GMT

Hats off to the makers of the Batman animated series. They did what Tim
Burton couldn't do... examine the true nature of Two-Face!

If anyone remembers back to the first Burton Batman flick, he introduces
Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, Gotham City DA. I recall reading reviews
of the film saying how it was a shame that a fine actor like Billy was reduced
to playing a bit role like Harvey Dent. I smiled knowingly when I read that and
said to myself, "You'll see." However, Burton apparently forgot about the
character and went on to concentrate on Penguin and Catwoman.

The animated series took Harvey Dent and completed his story. This I respect.
They even foreshadowed it well (remember the scene in "On Leather Wings" where
Det. Fuller asks if he can get a special force to capture Batman and Dent says
he'll prosecute while idly flipping a coin? Very cool!). The whole origin was
developed well... thoroughly enjoyable! I can't wait to see Part II on Monday!

Of course, this is just one man's opinion.

- Steve
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From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #35
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:14:22 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

Bounty looks like Dawny, and probably is her, due to the clue that she
correctly identified the burning soon-to-be-dead Sun-Boy.
The art still sucks.
Who took over the Dominator's Homeworld? Was it covered in previous issues? I
can't recall anything like that.
I'm very pleased, overall with this issue, for Keith quickly wrapped up the
stagnating storyline about the Dominator occupation and removal, and moving
onto other things. Hopefully that'll be the last I'll see of the SW6 batch.
Long Live the Legion,
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Subject: Re: MISC: Endless poster on Roseanne 9/29
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:03:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.183633.5761@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>Anyway, it was a poster of Death and Dream with Dream standing behind a
>sitting Death. Dream has he arms outstretched, with his cloak spread out 
>behind Death. I think Jones did he artwork. To be honest, I much prefer
>the second poster and not just because it has cats in it.

I have the cats one and I really like it.

I NEED a Death watch, though.

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: CEREBUS recommendations?
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:42:31 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia

I've TRIED reading Cerebus.  Really.  After hearing so much great stuff
about it, I bought it whenever I had the chance.  The first issue I got,
the art was great, but there werent' ANY words in the entire issue, so I
had to go out and buy more.  I bought the only ones that were in my price
range still, so I ended up not getting a complete storyline.  And, I tried
with the Mothers & Daughters storyline, but I was really turned off by the
last issue I bought (4) and started getting upset at paying 2.50 for only
10 or so pages of story.  (I know that quality, not quantity is important,
but you have to take these things into account when you can't afford to have
a silly little hobby like comic books)

So what's my point?

I'm going to ask for one of the "phone books" as a gift coming up this
holiday season so I can get a whole story, all at once, to get the full
effect of the story and see if I like it as much as you guys.  So which
one should I get?  I can only get one -- I would think the first one, but
I've heard that Church & State is better and I got the impression that it
was more indicative of the rest of the series?  So, where should I start?

Thanks,
USENET's Chuck
-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
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	 another."
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From: frost@netcom.com (John Frost)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #59
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:57:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <0_!p_1g.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>
>Ennis does an elegant job of tying together the continuity from
>Sandman and, to a lesser extent, Demon, to produce a consistent
>political picture of Hell.

I was a bit disapointed to find mention of the demon etrigan in HB. (unless
I miss my mark this is the same demon etrigan that has his own series, appears with that bat fellow, and has been known to hang out with some nasty people. correct? if not send flames to dev/null please.)

I can deal with the swamp thing and JC when they occaisionally
I was able to live with the fact that the swanp thing and JC occaisionally 
crossed paths.  After all HB is a ST spinoff.  But if this etrigan is the person(er non-person) I think it is.... then I would like to voice my protest now.

the World of Hellblazer exists just fine on it's own without men in
spandex suits dropping in.  Besides just how would supes deal with 
the the devil and his cohorts claiming _his_ soul (hey maybe a rebirth 
Idea ??? :+)   )

Frost, who wonders why the HB staff chose this particular Vampyre mythos?
From: daniel@csgi63.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (D N Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Info/Opinions wanted on _Books of Magic_
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:12:35 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
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In article <1992Oct3.043753.25530@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
> 
> 	I've never read any of these, but I know that Neil Gaiman wrote for
> them.  I was wondering if people could inform me about the series history.
> Is it still being printed?  If not, how many were printed, etc.

No. Books of Magic was a four-book limited series. There were just the four
books, and I don't believe (can anyone correct this?) that any further
books are to be expected. I can dig out ISBN numbers and book names if this
would be of help.

> 	I'd also like people's opinion's on how good they are/were.  I really
> like Gaiman's other stuff (esp. Sandman and Black Orchid).  Are these at all
> comparable?  

Personally, I liked them a great deal. The artwork is superior to much of
that in Sandman, and the stories are up to Gaiman's high standards. I prefered
it to Black Orchid, which I found a bit derivative (I got the impression that
NG was doing a sub-Moore superhero tale and was not really comfortable with
the genre). Still, that's all IMHO. If you liked Sandman, I imagine you'll
get much enjoyment out of Books of Magic. Here in the UK at least they can be
a little hard to find...

> 
> 	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>

-- 
Dan Crow
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Jim (Dev-Null) Cowling)
Subject: Savage Dragon (was: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???)
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 05:07:12 GMT

In article <80957@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:

>	Finally, have any of you read Larsen's Savage Dragon?  The art
>is high caliber while the story kicks with some real power.  True, some
>of those names are really awful (SuperPatriot?  >>Mighty Man<<?!?), but the
>plot more than makes up for little things like that.  I'm lookin' forward to
>#3, personally.  Try it.  You may like it.

Yup.  I was indifferent to (or hated) all the other titles, but I'm ashamed
to admit that Savage Dragon is a cracking good super-hero title.  Competent
art, competent story, non-cliched characters (for the most part), excellent
dialogue -- the only problem is that it sort of validates Erik (Name Withheld)
Larsen's public opinion on the non-artist writer.  He's not bad.  Definitely
his work has improved since Spider-Man.  However, he needs to learn some
tolerance and reduce his ego a bit.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
AKA Dev-Null, eighth-to-last surviving Daxamite
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From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Subject: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.210027.18254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>I think not. We've never seen Dream use his gallery before modern times; he
>might have had a representation of his ruby there. Or, if he quit office

I seem to recall that we saw his helmet used once.  Am I making this
up or can someone endorse this?  I guess I'll dig through my books
when I get the chance.

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:16:43 GMT

 dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>If it *is* Desire trying to kill Destruction's friends, s/he's almost
>certainly breaking the Rules.

I think it almost certainly has more to do with Destruction's early-warning
systems than with Desire's conniving. Destruction is anticipating big trouble;
quite possibly because he has devolved his power in order to stop another aspect
taking his place as Destruction. If he has devolved it on his friends, then they
are first in any firing line.

> in fact, it's not even obvious that
>Destruction is allowed to kill. 

But absolutely nothing to say that he can't. Why had Capax lived so long in the
first place? He might have had some arrangement with a certain force.

Tanaqui
From: FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Questions
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:47:51 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm a new reader to this group... and I have a few questions that I'd
love someone to clue me in on.  I buy $20 or so worth of comics each
week, mostly DC and some Marvel, not because I expect to have them reach
collection value anytime soon but rather because I like to read them.
I don't generally buy the fan publications or trade magazines, so I don't
know if these questions have been answered or not.

1) What *did* happen to First Comics?   They were blithely publishing things
   like Badger, Grimjack, Nexus, etc. etc., and then one day they VANISHED.
   I've heard that their publisher went nuts and decided that the comics his
   company was publishing weren't family oriented and thus he fired everyone
   and went out of business.  Is this true?

2) What's the story with Captain Marvel?  After the Legends miniseries, I
   read that he would have a new monthly series... then it came out as a
   four issue miniseries... then we had a short series within Action Comics.
   Then NOTHING for a couple of years and then he showed up again in War of
   the Gods and the Eclipso crossovers.  I've gotten some vague sense that
   DC temporarily lost publishing rights back to Fawcett and then finally
   bought the characters lock, stock, and barrel, but I really don't know
   what the real answer is.  I heard that Jerry Ordway was going to be
   drawing and writing a monthly series, then it turned into a Prestige
   format mini-series, then it became a hardcover graphic novel.  Why isn't
   DC publishing Captain Marvel comics?  (I know they can't use the name
   because of Marvel's Captain Marvel, that's not what I'm asking.)  Why
   do we get vague rumors year after year with nothing ever turning up?
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!! <SOLUTION SPOILER>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:55:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.182732.11381@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> 
> Mxyzptlk splits himself into three, and straps Luthor into an
> electric chair.  Each Mx sits in front of a lever, and they confront Supes
> thus: Two of the levers are electrified, one is not; two of the imps are 
> lying, one is not.  Supes gets one question, and what he asks is, "Which of
> you is holding the non-electrified lever?"
> 
> Mx 1: "My lever contains no jolt."
> Mx 2: "My lever contains a jolt."
> Mx 3: "Number one's lever contains a jolt."

Trivial:

L1 L2 L3  M1 M2 M3
J  J  N   F  T  T
J  N  J   F  F  T
N  J  J   T  T  F

J = Jolt	N = No Jolt	F = False	T = True

So the only correct solution is J-N-J.  To be honest, I had to write the
table out to make sure.  It's been a long day...

> Except, if Luthor's such a genius, why didn't Supes just let him take the
> responsibility for his own life, and choose the lever himself???. . .

Because Supes is the HERO!!  Sheesh!  Any kid knows that!!  :-)

> Kevvy Kev
> "Choose *wisely*. . ."
>  -That flippin' knight in The Last Crusade, Percival or Launcelot or whoever

Neither.  He's never named, he was French (I believe), and WAAY too late for
the Arthurian Era.

P.S.  Don't you hate stories where the protagonists are stumped on a puzzle
it took you 30 seconds to figure out?
-- 
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: To the guy I'm having the Red Dwarf Novel discussion with
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:24:26 GMT

Hi, sorry I don't remember your name (I'm bad with them).  My systen crashed
and lost the letter you sent today.  Could you please re-send it ? Thanx


---SCAVENGER

P>S> sorry guys, this is the only place I know to find him.

-- 
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           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Soviet Super Soldiers (your guess was right!)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.160028.2786@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>The problems I had with this book were as follows:

>  2) Too much crunch - My firm belief (no proof) is that Fabian
>originally planned this as a series or miniseries, but Marvel wasn't
>too terribly interested.  So they dredged up the story, had Fabe touch
>it up and then packed 10 issues worth of stuff into it.  I'm sorry,
>but it's just _too much_!

	Well, your instincts were right.  Fabian did indeed plan on doing
a 4 issue Soviet Super Soldiers limited series a while back.  If I
remember correctly, it was even supposed to be pencilled by none other
than Rob Liefeld!  The reason I say this is because several years ago
when Fabian was doing Psi-Force (and I was still actually reading Marvel)
I wrote him a fan letter.  I asked how he got started in the business,
what his upcoming projects were, etc.
	He wrote back and mentioned that one of the things he was working
on was the SSS limited series.  I assume this one-shot is what became of
that project.  Just in case you're interested, the other 2 projects he
mentioned were the Captain America prestige format limited series with
Kevin Maguire (they were roommates for several years), and a western
limited series starring Two-Gun Kid, I think.  We all know which of the
two saw print.

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