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From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cops show- Motorcycle wreck
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:47:18 GMT
	<1992Jul20.203602.214@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
> you know, i guess i'm going to have to flame you for this.  statistics
> collected in the past fifteen years by car insurers (and their
> statistics are damn well done when corporate profits are on the line)
> show that female drivers-- both the young ones like the victim of your
> post, and old ones like me-- are better drivers than the males in
> their age brackets.  the dui ratio for men to women is seven to one;
> that a two-time dui will be male goes to fourteen to one.  the sex of
> the person at fault in a fatal accident is 3 times more likely to be
> male than female. those who get speeding tickets for less than 25
> miles over the limit are pretty evenly divided; but those who get
> speeding tickets for going MORE than 25 miles over the limit-- say,
> going 90 in a 55, not even nominal DoD--are almost all male (98%). 

Now normalize all these stats to take into account the average number
of miles that males vs. females drive.  Until you do, they are
meaningless with regard to determining which sex has better drivers,
as opposed to which sex is likely to cost insurance companies money in
a given time frame.

I dunno if males or females are better drivers.  In my experience,
I've seen (and done if we're gonna be honest and all) some pretty
stupid things from BOTH sexes.  One thing that I (in MY personal
experience) haven't ever seen is a female that drives well fast.  I've
met some that drive well, and some that drive fast, but never both at
once.  This is as opposed to men. I know of at least 2 that drive fast
and fairly well (ie, never make a move that is "close" while I'm in
the car with them).  Now all you folks are screaming "normalize" :-)
Well, it's true.  I've certainly known more men than women with
regards to driving.

Note that folks that drive fast and well are quite rare in any case.
Some drive fast and dangerous, a lot drive slow and ok, and some drive
slow and dangerous.  Whatever.  Just pass 'em and it's not a problem
:-)

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
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From: bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Tejas Wood)
Subject: what happened to indian
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:41:59 GMT

the originall indian co was absorbed by harley davidson
there is a new indian co startting in los angeles ca
they will be reproductions of the old indians but will cost around
$80 k (US) ack!

-texx

(harvey didleson for president!)


--
Tejas Wood (bbs.texx@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Summary: bees pain ow
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:07:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (William Scott Heyman) writes:
 : Has anyone ever been stung by a bee or other stinging bug while riding?
 : I've been stung twice while riding and bot at >55mph. I didn't think
 : bees were smart enough to aim at an object going that fast.

	What part of your body got stung?  I've been stung twice, once
when a bee went in my helmet and stung my cheek.  The other time I hit
a wasp with my chest and my jacket was only zipped up halfway, it fell
down my shirt and stung me a couple times (that's why I figure it was
a wasp).  I got off the road and almost fell in grass and gravel, but
I didn't. Thank God. 


						Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@joncpc.Your.Domain.Here (0000-Admin(0000))
Subject: Re: Any Good bike videos out there?
Organization: Your Organization Here
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.000811.1155@microsoft.com>, patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul12.225855.373@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu wrote:
|> > 
|> > 	Along these lines, they just came out with a new version of
|> > 	"On Any Sunday". It's very amusing to look at, as they do a lot of
|> > 	off road work on BSAs and other bikes that seem pretty road-like
|> > 	compared to any dirt bikes today...
|> 
|> 
|> I just rented it.  I like it much better than the 1st.  They do a lot more with
|> roadracing this time out.  Specifically, they profile Kenny Roberts in the start
|> of his career.
|> 
What??? I had the original version on tape(tape of the old rental version)
and just bought the newly released version. Bought it at the Yamaha Dlr(who
by the way has a version that they add a pretty great advert to). Only 
difference is the Yamaha ad and a post movie tribute to Steve McQueen. The
movie is identical except for being cleaner(re-mastered). The Yamaha version
is about $30, which I think is cheaper than the mail order sources. Being
old enough to regard the flick as nostalgic, rather than humorous, I just
had to have a good copy! Whenever work is a drain, watching Malcom Smith
and the rest seems to set things right. Ah, but your right, it is
humorous. If anyone knows for sure I'm wrong, about the content being the
same, please post. 

Another pretty decent flick is Running Wild. It chronicles the 
1986(I think) Paris to Dakar. 
-- 
          Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM>   
		  '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Question on rain suit
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:47:59 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Jul17.121216.8326@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
> PVC:- As long as it has welded seams, reasssonable quality and is backed,
> this stuff is faultless (as long as you can stand the jeers of your
> [wet] peers). Its cheap, completely waterproof in all conditions (tho
> I guess it'd crack at <-20C), maintainance free, and is the only stuff 
> that allows you to
> sit in Sadddle Lake for hours at a time. Fishermen use it to keep them dry
> when the trawler is playing submarines off Iceland.
> Happy soaking
> 
> Andy



The major drawback with PVC for me is that I sweat to death in this stuff.
After a while, I'm just as wet on the inside :^) as I would be had I not
worn anything. 

Terry


-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Let me take my chances on the wall  |
 | DoD# 541                           |  of death"       Richard Thompson    |
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 19:14:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Synthetic oils?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Re: Synthetics

Just a passing thought......

I prefer Mobil One primarily because I can buy more at almost any town
with a K-Mart. Saves having to lug along a spare quart if you know you
will need to make up for oil consumption.

All my vehicles and my dad's vehicles run on Mobil One.

Ron Miller
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:30:08 GMT

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:


>Long ago there were two clans of people: the Bigots and Those Who Rode
>the Other Kind of Bike.  They were simple people who lived in a fair
>land, Rec.Motorcycles, but through discontent they fell into flame
>wars (see, History of Ancient Rec.Motorcycles, vol. 1-2 ), notably the
>"100-Articles' War," which itself spawned many lesser wars, greatest
>among them the First Helmet War, the War of the Aftermarket Pipes,

Lots of good prose deleted in an effort to save the holy bandwidth.

>And yet some remembered fondly the Old Ways. 

Just yesterday I was in the presence of Denizens who were celebrating
the "Ride to Work" day, and I overheard, at the pizza table a Denizen
of some stature lamenting the passing of such prose on rec.moto...
Well done Laurie! ;{)


>-- laurie

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'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^The Reassembly begins!^^^^^^              AMA #524245
 "Crew Chief" AFM 328               Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
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From: brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Summary: demigods
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:02:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <14mf9gINNo9d@sixgun.East.Sun.COM+, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
+ In article 18546@drutx.ATT.COM, brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
+ 
+ >	If I were to design society,
+ 
+ Which is why I thand God every day that I live in a society NOT
+ designed by demigods who have the audacity to think they know what is
+ best for everybody else.

	Like the ones who have the audacity to believe they should suppress
	the desire of nearly a hundred people to form a harley subgroup
	because that is best for r.m. ?????

+ 
+ >	Have you ever noticed that posters whose paths contain ".edu" often say
+ >	such *stupid* things???
+ 
+ No.  Stupidity abounds.

	And audacity.


+ Ed Green

-- 
    66
     >
     ^ .................. brucer "naps with wolves" (DoD #0002)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Pointers on tire mounting
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> Follow Chuck's procedure, but if you have disk brakes, use 2x4's
-> under the wheel rims as you work on the wheel to prevent prying
-> against the brake disks.  It doesn't take much to put a little tweak
-> in one, that will cause you to have to replace it.

 Oh, God, yes.  I got a flat at 2 AM out in the Texas panhandle while
heading to Colorado.  Hitched a ride into the nearest town (with the
rear wheel) and waited until the service station opened.  "No problem,"
says, the guy, "we can do any sort of tire."  Then he lets go of the
wheel and it starts to fall over.  On the rotor.

 I damnear dove face first into the ground to keep it from contacting
the concrete.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Oil Additive Scoop (or: see Ed Hackett's name in print)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:43:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Jul21.194353.3118
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <seOtnfC00WB6IdWPg7@andrew.cmu.edu> ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
>Howdy,
>
>[joe writes about oil additives being worthless etc]
>
>it's just a metal bar that gets forced against a spinning rod.  The
>Power-Up allowed more than double the weight against the rod without
>seizing (oil alone seized).  I was pretty impressed.
>
>If what you say is actualy true, then the test must not represent true
>conditions in an engine.  Anyone know if this is in fact true and why?

Well, what parts of an engine rub under pressure?  The two that
occur to me as the most critical are the big end bearings and
the valve cams.  In the case of the rod bearings, all the engines I've worked
on had these lubricated under pressure - I'd expect the oil film to
hold up under most conditions.  If you push the engine real hard, maybe
the powerup would help avoid spinning a rod bearing.  I've never
pushed an engine that hard, and don't expect to.
--
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  -   "Worth Reposession"
DoD #094,  PBF #03  "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: sel3574@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: fingerlakes BMW Rally
Reply-To: sel3574@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:50:15 GMT

Hi:
wap meet.
From: operator@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Minimalist biking (was: Re: Dead Sidestand switch
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:16:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

> How about it?  What is the minimum instrumentation or controls
> necessary/desirable for a motorcycle?

Well my bike has got no idiot lights.... it has a speedo and recently
i fitted a rev counter, I have no indicators either...who needs them ?

From looking at the manual my bike a 1981 Kawasaki Z750 (4 cyl) used
to have loads of sensors and crap... even one to tell you if the battery 
electrolite is low !, more stuff to go wrong I say....strip it all out 
and go back to REAL motorcycling, in fact who needs rear suspension ..
lets get Hardtailed :-) My electric start button fell apart so what 
looks like a solenoid from a tank has been fitted into one of the 
side panels, it spins the starter motor over all the time if you press
it but the bike won't start unless the ignition is on. 

I have heard of a bike that uses a domestic house light switch for the
ignition, my friend who has an ratty GS750 has to twist two bits 
of wire together to turn his ignition on...

as for sidestand and clutch switches....ha ! Might as well ride a 
moped....

           ************************************************
           * Mark at Oxford University Computing Services *
           * Email - OPS@UK.AC.OX.VAX  anytime....        *
           ************************************************
                     Kawasaki Z750  Streetfighter !

    Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels
    start closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and
    then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the
    music at top volume and at least a pint of ether.
                -- H.S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"
From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GATO Camera From Hell (tm)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:35:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <1992Jul27.123005.5172@worldbank.org> aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET writes:
>In article <14717.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave
>Williams)  writes:
>That reminds me of an article in the Washington Post a few months back.
> ....   Needless to say, because everyone was
>going well over the posted speed limit of 55 , the CAMERA RAN OUT OF FILM
>IN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES.
>Can you
>imagine what the DoD could do if we all rode the min DoD speed spaced about
>a 100 yds apart past one of those cameras?  Heh heh...;)
>
Screw the minimum speed, let's all drive at 55 1/2, that'll really drive
'em loopy.


-- 
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net," | DoD #1966	
	Matthew 13:47                              | 81 Honda CB400T Hawk
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I want 2B DoD #1428
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:53:53 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Jul27.143127.3511@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET writes:
>: 
>AH-HEM, that's ODOUR!  Can't ANY of you lot spell?  Get a good dic, try the 
                                                           ^^^^^^^^

The only good dic is a hard dic, Nick
>
>"Just another brick..."
>

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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New $$$=New Bike?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:11:01 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

In article <Brw8zM.F57@gtsi.com> rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:

>What would you do if your income increased by 57%? I have had the good fortune
>to secure a heavily yuppified position for myself. I was making good peanuts 
>before, but now I'm making big peanuts (let's just say more than twice my age
>in K).

I think you should buy a bike which represents 200% of your new annual income.
Park in on the street every night.
Where do you live, scum?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Golden Spectro = Vibration?
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.200246.9254@megatek.uucp> megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net writes:
>addition, the ZX burned about one quart of GS per 500 miles of 8000 rpm-plus
>riding while it would use very little (if any) Mobil-1 under the same
>conditions.  I went back to Mobil-1 (15W50)...

I'd have to give a big thumbs up to Mobil-1 15W50 myself. I replaced the 
Yamalube 20W50 in the Seca II with Mobil 1 about 300 miles ago, and I've
noticed a drastic difference. It's running smoother (Seca's buzz at around
3500-4000RPM, but 5000 with the Mobil-1 is literally so smooth I can't feel
anything), and it seems to have a little more oomph. I had vaporized some of
the Yamalube before :-) but haven't eaten any Mobil 1 up yet (too early to
tell).

BTW, I'm beginning to seriously think that the Seca II that Motor Cyclist
tried out two months ago had some kind of problem. They listed their top 
mileage as 48, but I *know* I've gotten high 50's before on the highway. 
They also listed top speed at 108MPH. I only have two data points on that;
one is that my speedo is pretty accurate at 100MPH (compared to a Mustang)
and I've had an indicated 125MPH before. Uh, all proven on the track, of
course. <cough>

>
>Randy Davis				UUCP: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot		 	      ucsd!megatek!randy
>DoD #00013
-- 
Rich Lawrence - "Stinger" - DoD#9630 '92 Seca II - Buckaroo Banzai lives!
Sysop/Hallucination: Full UseNet,Fido,Relay, 2GB+ IBM/Amiga  1-703-425-5824
    rich@halluc.com   rich@gtsi.com   CI$:71101,2272   Fido:1:109/345
                      "I'm fine" - Data, in DataLore
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why have 2 throttle cables?
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:30:02 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA

cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
: In article <1992Jul17.145352.12293@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
: >
: >Ever try and push a rope?
: 
: Is that like the joke about trying to have a good fuck after drinking too
: much??
: 
: Wiskey dick, it's like shooting pool with a rope.

... like trying to stuff a marshmallow in a piggy bank...

: 
: >-- 
: >Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
: 
: 

  O                
 <M> MerfMan 
_/ \_       
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: New $$$=New bike?
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:07:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <JET.92Jul24183730@win30.nas.nasa.gov> jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov wrote:
> "Richard" == Richard Lawrence <rich@gtsi.com> writes:
> 
> Richard> So, the question is: What kind of bike am I going to get? The
> Richard> poor Seca II is barely broken in, and I kinda feel like I
> Richard> can't sell her yet, because that would be cruel. But I caught
> Richard> myself the other day in the parking lot looking at my friends
> Richard> V-Max and thinking "Hmmmmmmmmm....."
> 
> Yeah, I had the same thing happen.  Barely scraped together the
> pennies for a new CB750, and 7K miles later, I'm looking at a R100R...

Same here. But I'm looking at something different.  If MY income increased
by 57%, I'd take out a loan on the 907ie, an HD bagger, a Fat Boy, and 
then I'd start looking at vintage motos.  Vincent comes to mind, as does
Manx, and Indian.  Add to that a John Player Norton and Mike Hailwood 
Replica for a bit of more ridable vintage-ness.  Mix generously with
a Henderson for historical perspectives, and you've got it made.

Oops, I think I blew my 57% already.  But WAIT, there's MORE!

John Sloan, you were very close.  But you stopped too early.

             ==================================================
            // Pat Loughery [Patlo@Microsoft.com] Seattle, WA \\
+===========//'91 Nighthawk CB750 || DoD #393, AMA #639366, VME \\==========+
|Evaluating for post-Jan purchase: Duc 907ie; HD FXRT & FLHS; Triumph Trophy|
+===========================================================================+
|   "It felt great to be starting another long ride; the 9-to-5 world       |
|   could go to hell for a few days while my machine and I rolled across    |
|   the planet."   - Phil Stone, DoD #95                                    |
+===========================================================================+

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Wet, Tired and Home!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.144619.28927@athena.cs.uga.edu>, weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver) writes:
> Thanks to Marc for being inclined enough to know how to close the roof of the 
> tee pee. (Cool bike Marc, I want one)

Why did the tee pee roof need closing?  I also was impressed with the features and
gadgets on Marc's bike.  The neatest was the clutch lever automatically retracting
the sidestand and the worst was the fuel pump that could be heard at 70mph
on the highway over my straight pipes....

- Roid
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far to Run-in (was: Golden Spectro = Vibration?)
Date: 31 Jul 1992 19:16:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 9207311605@subnode.susssys1.rdg.ac.uk, ssuhouns@SUMA1.RDG.AC.UK (Paul Marshall Hounslow) writes:
>
>I used to look up to your pronouncements. I take it you have not owned a BMW
>from new?  

No.  That's why I asked.

Several people have told me in email that BMWs have some kind of nickel
alloy plating in the cylinders.  Neat.  But does it really take 20K to
seat the rings?!?

I mean, there's the breaking in where you say, "my bike runs smoother
at 20K than it did at 10K," but then again, there's the breaking in
where all the little metal parts are deciding among themselves which of
them were manufactured to which end of their tolerances, and adjusting
accordingly.  I find it hard to believe that *this* kind of breaking in
(which synthetic oil interferes with) takes 20K.  Is it really 20K for
both?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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