From: d90-two@zwart.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: Re: Questions and Requests
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:12:26 GMT

In article <37604@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.000223.13526@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>In article <92246.171033C09615MT@wuvmd.wustl.edu> Michael Teller <C09615MT@wuvmd.wustl.edu> writes:
>>>Happy, happy  Joy, joy! I'm back from the summer and now I can start reading
>>>the lists again. Yay. Any way  over the summer I bought an EP by a group
>>>called Nemesis which was started by Leif Edling of Candlemass before he started
>>>Candlemass. Nemesis has a few of the same members and the EP (titled, Day Of
>>>Retribution) has two Candlmass demos on it. I really like the music on it and
>>>I was wondering if anyone knows if there were ever any other Nemesis albums or
>>>EP's. Has anyone else ever heard this EP and if so what did you think? Is it
>>>anything like newer Candlemass stuff (I've never heard any of their music that
>>>I know of)? 
>>
>>I was unaware that Edling had anything to do with Nemesis, since his name is
>>not on the EP I have seen. They do feature Candlemass's original vocalist <the
>>one before Messiah, that sang on Epicus Doomicus Metallicus>, and that explains
>>the Candlemass demos. 
>
>	Are you sure about this?  Edling was definitely the driving force
>behind Nemesis, and a couple of other Nemesis members made it to
>"Epicus ... ", but I don't believe the vocalist was one of them.  Leif
>himself sang on the Nemesis tracks (I have no idea who sang on those
>two Candlemass demo tunes -- the original version of "Day Of 
>Retribution" didn't have the extra tracks.
>
Leif sang on both the Nemesis and the Candlemass tracks. He was the original
vocalist of Candlemass himself and they didn't get any other permanent
guy before Leif managed to get Messiah. Johan <something> who sang on
EDM was never really in the band.

>	To answer the original question, no, Nemesis never released 
>anything else.  Actually, the switch to Candlemass was more a legalistic
>name change rather than one band dissolving and another forming.
>
Hmmm. In some interview with Mappe Bj|rkman, he says that Leif formed the
band in early 1985, and he joined some months later. The Nemesis EP came
already in 1982 so there might have been a gap there...
Did anyone of the Nemesis members really play on EDM?

>>If you like Nemesis, try "Epicus Doomicus Metallicus", or especially "Nightfall"
>>from Candlemass. After that, the originality factor begins to sag, but the
>>albums aren't bad. I don't mind the Live one too much, except for some
>>annoying crowd stroking by Messiah.

You shall be happy that they tried to get rid of most of it in the mixing.
I've heard silly song introductions but...
>
>	Agreed wholeheartedly on the recommendation of "Epicus" -- far
>and away their best effort.  You are right that they ran into serious
>writing problems -- by the time the fourth album came out, they were
>doing nothing new or exciting at all -- every song sounded the same.
>By the way, they did re-record some Nemesis tracks on later albums
>-- I know that "Black Messiah" was one of them (though with a different
>name, and different lyrics -- the Nemesis version is much better).
>
EDM and "Nightfall" are definitly the best, and I like "Ancient Dreams"
too. But avoid "Tales Of Creation" until you consider yourself a fanatic...
"Black Messiah" became "Incarnation Of Evil" on AD. The lyrics are actually
not completely different...
Are there any more Nemesis songs that has been re-recorded?
Of course some of the songs on EDM can be old Nemesis songs that were
never recorded.

>>Anybody know if the rumors of Messiah Mercolin being out of  Candlemass
>>are true? And if so, who is the new vocallist?
>
>	The new album, "VI", is out, and it does feature a new vocalist
>-- his name is always spelled differently every time someone mentions
>him, but it's something like Michael Wikstrom.  I haven't heard this
>album yet -- reviews are mixed so far.  I was never a Marcolin fan,
>but I heard the new guy is similar.  There was talk of Marcolin going
>back to his old band (Mercy) but I'm not sure that ever happened.
>
Tomas Vikstr|m I believe. He sounds more like the guy who sang on EDM
than Messiah. Unfortunatly IMO. (Johan <something> wasn't bad but
Messiah was better...)
Messiah was in Mercy from the beginning?! Shit, I didn't know that. I heard
some Mercy demo stuff back in '86-'87 and now when I think about it maybe
it could have been Messiah singing. Unfortuanatly I don't think I still have
the tape I recorded one song from radio on... :-(
I saw a Mercy album - it was called "Witchburner" I believe - about half
a year ago that had Messiah on vocals, it could have been a live album...
Does anyone know about this album? Me stupid ass didn't buy it...

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