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From: babin@ifthen.enet.dec.com (Ken Babin)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Reply-To: babin@ifthen.enet.dec.com (Ken Babin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:19:55 GMT


It looks like some people are getting hung up on the term "NO holds barred".

The thread started out pretty interesting in that people were noticing what
special powers everyone had that could give them an edge. Then people started
commenting (or even SHOUTING) about how some poweres could be circumvented.

Riker is the only one who really HAS to play fair (by normal human poker standards). Sure Geordi does not look at the cards, even if he can; sure Data
doesn't stack the deck, even though he can. Maybe Data doesn't make use of his memory and computational ability, maybe he does; maybe Troi ignores the feelings she senses, maybe she does not. The point is that I at least found it interesting to observe what abilities every has that would give them an edge.
If you eliminate all the "cheating", the question becomes not "no holds barred", but who generally wins the weekly games where no one cheats.

Another way of rephrasing the no holds barred question, might be: "who would
make the most money given the necessity of funding a federation mission against
"normal" people"? For example, we have seen Data win money in Time's arrow, and 
I believe the one with the Hotel. I expect the others would also have made a profit in either of those situations (I also expect that Data cheated somewhat).
So the question is who would have made the most money the fastest, if allowed to cheat? I think Geordi, followed by Data (especially when dealing). Of course
if he won too often while dealing, someone would get suspicious (even if they couldn't prove it).

Ken
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST VI:TUC Musings/Comments (*SPOILERS?*)
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:45:37 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <8y40NB1w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP (Scott Gorcey) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul13.092353.23646@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, jcoper@ccu.umanitoba.ca
>> >Continuity error: How could Valeris have known Kirk had said "Let them
>> >die", when that statement was not part of any personal log, but part
>> >of his dialogue with Spock at the classified meeting?
>
>How did Valeris know?  Admiral Cartwright probably had the room bugged.
>Or he was listening by the door.  It was a conspiracy: they have ways,
>you know?

Especially since Cartwright thought that Kirk would sympathisize with
him
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Babylon 5 GIFs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:11:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul29.185144.21282@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

Forgot to mention that the two GIF files are the only ones released so far.
I've seen the animation that those clips came from and it does look pretty
impressive to see the space station rotating and the perspective changing,
all done in computer animation.
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From: cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16)
Subject: Re: Poker
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:52:34 GMT

I think it would be funny, if Kirk is still alive, to have him meet Riker.
We had Data meet Spock...And better yet have them play poker. Kirk was supposed
to have been pretty good at that game with all the bluffing he always was
doing.

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From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Poker
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:37:51 GMT

In article <BrqpnG.88@brunel.ac.uk> Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk (Abdul Q M Khaliq) writes:
>Geordi undoubtedly has the ability to see everyone's cards, the
>question is can he stop himself? In the 1st season story, Heart of Glory,

This was all explained in the episode where Worf hurt his spine (title 
unremembered because I don't memorize ones I hate). Geordi commented to
Worf that Troi was bluffing, and that he shouldn't use infrared transparent
cards. He also pointed out that he didn't look until after the hand was
over (for him, at least).

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: President of Federation in TUC
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:57:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.203516.21395@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer) writes:
>I seem to recall this too.  This brings up a consistency (no anti-consistency 
>flames, please) problem in that in several works, most notably STTMP, Deltans 
>are not supposed to have _any_ body hair, while this guy obviously has a lot of
>it.


Yeah, I thought of this too.  What about Ilia?  She clearly had no hair
(that we could see).  However, do we know that _neither_ gender of
deltans has hair?  Maybe it's just the females.  Stranger gender
differences occur on earth in animal species.



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From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:18:18 GMT


>
>In addition, Riker has been literally begged to take the big chair (how many
>times -- 3?).  Plus, he is also seen as a mega hero (after all he was in
>command of the ship that wasted the Borg).
>

	I'd characterize Riker as "adventurous" and "bold", but I'd be
hesitant to describe him as a "great hero" or even a "great leader."
In my opinion, Riker has boffed things badly on a number of occasions.
Think to his actions in Darmok, and (less disasterously) in The Inner
Light.  Riker lacks the experience to know when to be patient.   
 
  	The writers have been fair to Frake's character, but I'd
hardly say they've painted a glowing portrait....

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.051017@IASTATE.EDU> wity@IASTATE.EDU (Jean-Luc Picard) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.003746.15151@cs.wayne.edu>, delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De
>
>And for the guest star is Wesley's girlfriend on Enterprise when
>he was visiting the 'E' in the episode where all the crews got addicted
>to a (virtual reality??) game.
>Could someone also tell me her name in the episode and also her real name?

The character's name was Robin Lefler, played by Ashley Judd.


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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Sirtis's English accent
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:58:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.121838.5711@iscsvax.uni.edu>, althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 3)  Thanks also to Hilary for making me think harder about Picard's accent. 
> Not that I would *ever* change Patrick Stewart's accent--it is just too
> beautiful (the result, I believe, of Shakespearean acting experience--check out
[.....]
> How about--Picard was kidnapped as a child and raised by a troupe of vagabond
> renegade Shakespearean cult members?

Aren't we talking about a guy who changed his own accent in real life
to sound more refined?  Didn't Stewart originally have a Cockney accent
or something when he grew up?  That's interesting that this debate should
be arise regarding this particular actor.

As for Majel Barret, I think she doesn't do a Betazoid accent because
she probably can't.  Seems reasonable.

GMS
From: jam@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Another STNG  actor role
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:58:42 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

I just saw the movie Lifeforce on tv and Patrick Stewart played a doctor
who was possesed by the alien woman.
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Subject: Re: Holodeck Question
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:03:57 EDT
 <1992Jul17.163200.25392@leela.cs.orst.edu> <1992Jul17.115440.696@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> <1992Jul17.201319.8247@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Jul17.201319.8247@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes:
> So the question remains, is the snow real, i.e. not holodeck matter.
> I would guess that simple matter like snow, water, rocks could
> be real matter transported to the holodeck.  Maybe this would give
> a more realistic "feel" to interactions with matter on the holodeck.
> More complicated forms like grass, trees and up to people would
> be made of holodeck matter, i.e. a projection that does have a solid
> form.
> 
[stuff deleted]
> 
> When you are on the holodeck does it really matter (no pun intended)
> if the grass you're walking on is real or just feels, looks, and
> smells real.
> 
> I think all of these questions can be answered by "plot device".
> *sigh* :-(

Frankly, I'm not sure I understand what all the confusion is about. The
way I've always understood it, in the holodeck you have 3 types of
"illusions" working:  holograms, force-fields to give some holograms the
illusion of tangibility, and real matter created by replicators.

So... a pool of water, or a snowball, or any other relatively simple
substance, would simply be replicated.  Such stuff EXISTS, inside or
outside of the holodeck.  If Wesley fell into a holographic stream,
he wouldn't get wet at all --

Ergo, the water is real, and his clothes would have to dry just like
any other wet garment in the 24th (or 20th) century.

Make sense?
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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
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Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:50:29 GMT
Organization: Aston University

rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
: >3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
: >Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
: >momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.
: 
: Blood spurting from the wound, maybe. Makes a good propellent. We don't know
: what Klingon blood pressure is. Maybe it's very high and their blood has a much
: higher density than ours. Maybe it just looks cooler when somebody is jolted
: after being shot.
In TUC the phasers used for the assasination were used on medium power
(I havn't got the technical manual with me to check the setting)
At the setting they were being used at phasers act as cutting tools,
matter directly impacted by the beam is reduced to sub atomic particles,
that nearby is greatly heated.
Used against an organic organism the effect is a combined cut and cortorise
(seen quite nicely when a klingon guard has his arm amputated)
What throws the klingons arround, in the microgravity enviroment, is
quite simple. Stream, produced from their wounds by the phasers.

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From: Michael.Gunderson@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Gunderson)
Subject: Re: cloaking device
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:59:59 GMT

Just a bit of personal speculation about why the Federation doesn't use
a cloaking device: perhaps it's not 100% SAFE.  In one of the non-canon
pocketbooks, _The Final Reflection_, it was mentioned that, while Klingon
transporters are silent (The TOS version, at least), the Federation's makes
a LOT of noise.  One of the Klingons in the book inquired about it, and was
told that the noise was caused by a carrier wave guide-typoe signal that
improved the safety factor by 1% or so.

So if the Feds are going to quibble about a 1% margin of error, they might
do the same for a cloaking device that (speculation) may adversely affect
a certain percent of the people exposed to it.  Considering that thoughts
are carried by electromagnetic signals, and that the cloaking device is
meant to make the ship (and you in it) invisible to electromagnetic sensors
(including eyes), maybe it causes mental instability every so often.

The Klingons and Romulans, of course, don't care if the occasional soldier
in the field goes starkers; it makes 'em a better fighter.  But to the
Federation, this is a no-no.  So no cloaking device.

Not really based on too much presented facts, but (as Ms. Tenuda is fond
of saying) "It could happen."

                    Mike     ->

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From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:20:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.182033.7422@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.123721.29050@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, mmmirash@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) says:
>>
>>>>I can't believe everyone on this net is discussing the physics behind
>>>>this!  Has everyone gone bonkers?  Doesn't anyone understand that this
>>>>is a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!!!  We see people get thrown back just about
>>>>everytime someone gets shot!  It's called EXAGGERATION for entertainment
>>>>purposes!  Why does everyone insist on treating movies as if they were
>>>>real life, that every aspect has to be realistic?  Sheesh!
>>>
>>>     The Trekkies are an elite group, who are visionaries of future 
>>>technology. Star Trek IS NOT just another Hollywood movie as you put
>>>it. There are already lots of people who deride ST and call it a lot
>>>of sci-fi junk. I hate these jerks....and you seem to be one of them...
>>>...please refrain from posting to this newsgroup.
>>
>>Perhaps you should consider cross-posting this to alt.humor.
>>Great stuff!  Do you write this yourself or you do have a
>>professional do it for you?
>
>
>As a Visionary of the Future, I strongly resent your comments!  Clearly,
>you are not Of the Body.  You must be expunged.
>
>
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WHAT!?
Why in the blue blazes can't we ASSIMILATE him?
Surely, once he is one with the Borg, he will comprehend.





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From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST VI:TUC Musings/Comments (*SPOILERS?*)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:40:50 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

Someone (I forgot who) said earlier that they were outraged because Christian
Slater got credit for being the Excelsior communications officer, while the
blonde lady didn't. Well, she did. That was Grace Lee Whitney (a.k.a. Yeoman
Janice Rand from TOS).

h.
(I hope someone hasn't already said this).
S
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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: Spock/Holmes/Doyle (was  Re: ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:15:07 GMT

     It makes sense that Spock would be related to Sherlock Holmes, I once saw 
a picture of Lenard Nimoy playing Holmes in a movie.

Jeff L.
From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: re: Star Trek VI: TUC
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:47:40 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Spock's reference to his relative (Sherlock Holmes) is "apocryphal".
It's from one of the novels, I can't remember the title, but it came
right out and said that Amanda Grayson was descended from  Sherlock
Holmes.  The novel was a kind of peculiar mix of Star Trek and Here
Come the Brides, silly, but fun.  A time travel piece.  I'm sure that's 
where the reference came from.  
For those of you gasping in horror, remember, a fictional character _can_ 
be descended from another fictional character.  Spock's human antecedents 
don't have to have been *real.*  (No flames about reality/unreality please)

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: tardis
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:45:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

wsthune@iastate.edu posts:

>So if Guinan is a Time Lord, her TARDIS could well be the bar.

And what was in place of the bar before Guinan joined the Enterprise?
Or didn't 10 Forward *have* a bar before Guinan joined the Enterprise?


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From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Subject: Re: Federation President in TUC
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:27:12 GMT

jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer) writes:

>Sorry about my previous post--the program didn't include the text from the 
>post I was replying to.  Someone pointed out that the Fed President was listed 
>as being Deltan in a J.M. Dillard novel, which I noted didn't agree with the 
>information in other sources (like STTMP) that Deltans are completely bald.
>
>Jon

From what I remember, Deltan females are bald, but Deltan males are not.
From the novel of STII:TWoK (I think?) some of the scientists on Reguala I 
were Deltan and not bald, but this is non-canon of course.  But if the
men have the same strong sexual drive and pheromones that the females
have then you would think that a high political office would be difficult
for them.  That is, others would suspect that they may be manipulated
or swayed subconsciously by them and so would no trust a Deltan politician.

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From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Star Trek heaven
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Jul 1992 14:35 EST  

In article <1992Jul30.152232.6535@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes...
> bbarber@sierra.com writes:
> 
>>Here in Dallas, aka Star Trek Heaven, we get 1 TOS and 12 TNG episodes per 
>>week. This is clearly the most favorable Star Trek viewing location that 
>>I have ever lived.
> 
>Ha!  Here in Toronto we get Star Trek even more!
> 
>12 TNG episodes and at least 3 TOS episodes.
> 
>Mon.     2 TNG
>Tues.    2 TNG
>Wed.     2 TNG
>Thrus.   2 TNG
>Fri.     3 TNG
>Sat.	 1 TNG   +   3 TOS
>Sun.	 0  :-(
> 
>I think that there even may some TOS episodes late at night
>during the week, I can't remember.
> 
>Anyway, who has time to watch all of these?
>At least we can pick and choose which one to watch.
> 
>Does anyone get more than this?

In toledo, we can get it mucho times, thanks to Detroit, Toronto, and Cleveland!
Toledo -- 7times a week
Cleveland - 2 times
Toronto - 5 times
Detroit - 2? times
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From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Doohan & DeLancie convention info
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <28JUL92.21533753@wums.wustl.edu>, wetsel_r@wums.wustl.edu writes...
>I'm a bit new to this group.  Please elaborate - Doohan doesn't exactly
>care for Shatner?  Why so?

someone else i know who went to the Toronto Trek said that Doohan mentioned 
that he didn't like Shatner's DIRECTING, adding that Shatner shouldn't focus 
so much on himself.

original Toronto trek poster:  this is how rumours get started!!!  :) ;)

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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect:  2 questions
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:01:27 GMT
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) says:

>Also, we have the crew of the other ship looping for 80- years, and
>they didn't notice!  Under this Dechyon script, this shouldn't have
>happened, but under my theoretical Guinan script, there is no problem
>since Guinan isn't on the other ship.

I wondered that myself, but someone posed the possibility that the
Bozeman entered a rift, which brought them into the 24th century,
at which point they conveniently collided with the Enterprise.  At
which point the Enterprise exploded, starting the casuality loop. 
This makes sense (what am I saying!), but it wasn't given time to
be made clear.  

You could still make the argument that the other ship would have
known.  The Bozeman could have suspected something was up, but in
the brief communication with Picard, Frazier Crane didn't reveal
their suspicions about being stuck in a loop too quickly.  That
wouldn't have been prudent.

I like the Guinan twist, though.  Hey!  Maybe the captain of the
Bozeman is a descendant of Frazier Crane!  He looked just like him!
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