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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Date: 18 Aug 1992 00:19:04 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <16ki0rINNmpr@network.ucsd.edu> brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
>Infections in the 'danger triangle' - nose, ears, eyes - can spread to
>the brain more quickly and with less warning than those elsewhere.


	But see, that's a GOOD thing. 

	It quickly kills of the people who are too stupid to get
	treatment for an infection. Evolution at work, so to speak.


		-Karl



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From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Tip of Tongue piercing?
Keywords: problems? Info?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:55:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.exotica.713739333
Organization: University of Washington

(Apologies if this question has been asked before).

I'm planning to pierce the tip of my tongue, just far back enough to wear
a ring around the end of it. 

Anyone around here have one of these? Know of any problems specific to this
placement? 

Thanks,
Tsilke
"Stone Freak to the Bone"   
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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: Stupid questions...
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:04:27 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

>I tend to sweat a lot, and the ring sticks to the skin of my scrotum or
>penis and shifts uncomfortably when I move after sitting still for a
>while (say, driving).  Is talcum powder a good or bad method of dealing
>with this? 

NO.  Depending on the contents of the talcum powder in question,
you could cause some serious scar tissue development.  you might
try other means of isolating the ring from skin contact with cloth
attached to you or your underclothes in some creative way.  Try to
avoid anything from getting near the piercing except Hib/Betadine
etc and your own fluids.

Arlen
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From: zyzzy@milton.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:53:00 GMT

In article <7282@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu> alewis@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Drew Lewis) writes:
>I got my tongie pierced last saturday (the 1st) and it seems to be well
>healed (went surprisingly well..Victoria, the piercer, said I was her
>calmest tongue piercee that she'd done...hurt very little...was more
>like pressure than the tear my nipple was...my upper ear was
>still the most painful tho.) anyway, I was wondering when i can take out
>the 1in barbell I have now and put in a 1/2in?
 
I got my tongue pierced a year ago.  It took about a week and a half   
before the swelling went down enough to switch to a smaller barbell.          
                                                                         
Eat soft foods, rinse 3 times a day w/ Listerine (or everytime after
you put something food-like in your mouth).  BEWARE: I went to a
1/2-inch and it was too small (Igotabigone)..a waste of $$$. Make sure
that the barbell size you choose is comfortable.

Mine's healed great now!  A tongue pierce is the best!

******************
Zyzzy Galore       zyzzy@milton.u.washington.edu
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From: Matt.Balara@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matt Balara)
Subject: re: where to find info/meanings of symbols
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:39:53 GMT

         As someone already said as far as I know the celtic knotwork
designs have very little known absolute meaning.  I would however
recommend a book for design ideas, "Methods of Construction of Celtic Art" by
George Bain.  Dover publishes a paperback edition for about $12 I believe and
that's the only edition still in print.  Dover's adress is:
   
                       Dover Publications Inc.
                       13 East 2nd St.
                       Mineola, N.Y.  11501

          They don't do phone orders, but they'll gladly send you a free
catalogue.  They're also an excellent source for a variety of design
books, most of which would adapt very well to tatoos.

Matt Balara
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From: af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence(Re: Shower Crayons)
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:55:29 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I find the thing that makes tattooing much more enticing than piercing
>and/or body painting is the permanence.  It is a commitment to a change
>in appearance.  Piercings can be removed, body paint can be washed off,
>but once that tattoo is on, it is there for life.
>
>Anyone on the street can get a tongue piercing.  Once it heals, you can
>remove it for work, or for that meeting with your mother, or because after
>a while you do not like it.  It makes it much easier for people to do
>these things, since they know they are not permanent.

(I'm _not_ claiming I know the answer, but...)
Which is more gutsy- going to work one day (not the first day) with a whole
body tattoo that's highly visible, or going to work one day with obviously
removable body paint?
Just something to think about...
It seems to me that it would be a bit more daring to do the body paint thing,
because the people will know you did it _especially_ for them.  Maybe that's
an attitude behind getting a tattoo so everyone can see it, but how effective
is it the second time, third time, or thirtieth time someone sees it?
(I know, I know... that's why you get MORE tattoos!)

(Standard disclaimer: no flames.  I'm just trying to promote meaningful
discussion.)
-me
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Shower Crayons
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:27:31 GMT

>> I really do get into playing with shower Crayons, and I can
>> see how someone could find tatoos and body art attractive.
>Thats an interesting point. Now I'm not disputing that you have fun
>with these things, but isn't the whole significance of most body art
>its very *permanence*. 

Having once been painted with cheap soap crayons which left a stain on
my body, and then had to go to work the next morning with a blue peace
sign across my face and explain that to the folks there, I can assure
you that even a temporary artwork may leave a permanent image in peoples'
minds.
--scott
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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: Naive question about piercings
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:18:13 GMT

lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien) writes:

>So, I was wondering if anyone out there has ever been hurt by a man
>with a piece of metal stuck through the tip of his penis.  If I can
>get a consensus that it is truly 100% safe for my wife, then I'll
>go ahead and get the Prince Albert.

I've never had any problems reported (ugh soundes clinical, eh?) from
my PA.  I started with a 5/8" id bead ring.  The ring fits almost flush
to the bottom of the glans, and no partner ever reported even being
able to feel it.  I've since gone to a 7/8" id ring which my present
partner can feel, it also causes me considerable discomfort however.
So I'm going to change to a 3/4" id, and hopefully this will fit mostly
inside the urethra, and not be such a protuberance.  But the take home
lesson is, 5/8" id ring leaves very little outside the penis to
catch or rub, and the PA is a dream of an easy peircing to heal.
-- 
-- Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca          |   Truth never set anyone free,
Behavioural Ecology Research Group |   it is only doubt which will
Dept.Biol.Sci., Simon Fraser Univ. |   bring mental emancipation.
Burnaby B.C. V5A 1S6 Canada        |               -- Anton LaVey
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From: clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: averse affects of bodyart?
Organization: UCCSNCS
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:11:12 GMT

dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:
>In-Reply-To:  clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
>> This is exactly why I haven't gotten a tragus piercing.  I'm
>> afraid it won't be appreciated in future employment interviews.
>
>If the employer is going to have a problem with a tragus pierce,
>isn't it quite likely for you to have a future problem with that
>employer ?

You're probably right.  I'm just getting started, though.  I need
to rack up some experience before I can "right my own ticket."

>After all, would you *want* to work for EDS ?  8)

It might not look bad on a resume....  ;-)

---
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From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Date: 16 Aug 1992 03:28:27 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Infections in the 'danger triangle' - nose, ears, eyes - can spread to
the brain more quickly and with less warning than those elsewhere.

Perhaps that's the small kernel of truth behind the false paralysis rumour.
	- Brian
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:34:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.031243.22106@news.eng.convex.com> datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>Am I the only one who *likes* normal Listerine?

no.. actually after having lived, breathed and sleeped listerine
for two months, i actually became rather fond of it


--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: averse affects of bodyart?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.221112.8816@nevada.edu> clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:
>>After all, would you *want* to work for EDS ?  8)
>
>It might not look bad on a resume....  ;-)

I would never hire anyone who had ever worked for EDS.  On the other hand,
I wouldn't mind hiring someone with major full body tattoos, so I may not be
a typical employer....
--scott
From: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Something to consider before you tattoo
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:19:51 GMT
Reply-To: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
Organization: Saint Sebastian's school for Wicked Girls
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com


From the Weekly World News:

JEALOUS WIFE BITES OFF HUBBY'S TATTOO - AND SPITS IT OUT!

Dolores Reeves hated the big red heart tattooed on her hubby's
arm so she got rid of it once and for all - she bit it off and
spit it out!
The angry housewife, who lives near Muskogee, Okla., says the
tattoo had an ex-girlfriend's name in it and it bugged her
everytime she saw it.
"It was like he was taking her eveywhere we went. At night
I felt like there was three of us in that bed! A woman can only
stand so much!"
The bloody incident took place after 40 year old Melvin Reeves
came home from a night of drinking with friends. "I just came
in and passed out," says the still dazed 240 lb. former rodeo
star. "Next thing I know, I wake up with this terrible pain in
my arm and see Dolores gnawing away like a big, hungry rat!"
"It was the most vicious wound I've ever treated," says the
doc who patched him up. "I swear that woman must be part shark!"
But Mrs. Reeves resents the remark. "I'm no shark," she said.
"I was just mad. People have super human strength when they're
mad."
Police arrested the woman, but Melvin refused to prosecute.
"Shoot, she was just lettin' off a little steam. I knew she
was a hell-cat when I married her."
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From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Rumor or reality?
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:30:10 GMT

I've been told on numerous occasions (at least two) that ear piercing can cause
paralysis if done in the wrong place.  My brother insists it's in the cartilage
at the top of the ear; a friend I was talking to today says it's the part
opposite the tragus (which I'm sure has a name but I can't think of it).
Rec.arts.bodyart seems about as reliable a source as I can possibly consult
about such an issue, so I hope there's someone out there who can tell me if
paralysis can really result from this, and if so, where on the ear to avoid.

Thanks very much!

Eric Fischer
enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence(Re: Shower Crayons)
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:20:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>I find the thing that makes tattooing much more enticing than piercing
>and/or body painting is the permanence.  It is a commitment to a change
>in appearance.  Piercings can be removed, body paint can be washed off,
>but once that tattoo is on, it is there for life.

I have to agree there.  I decided that I wanted my first tattoo when I
was in 7th grade and meet my cousin who had both of his arms completely
covered in a forest scene.


>A question for the heavily (or obviously) tattooed people out there.  Clearly,
>the most common comment that you hear from non-tattooed people is "did
>it hurt?"  Is the second most common comment "I've wanted a tattoo for years.
>I want an X on my Y"  To which you think, "Yeah, right, sure you do."

"Did it hurt?" is definatly the first most asked question for me but the
second most asked question is probably "Why did you get them?"  

Just my $.02,
Brad

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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Here we go... deep breath... and...
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:29:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.221843.23413@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>
>   Well, Now I've done it.
>
>   I took my deep breath and...
>
>I held both my lovers' hands through the whole thing, and I

	Shift-Reduce error. Unable to continue parsing.

	Uh, does this mean to say you held both the hands of your one and only
	lover, or that you held the hands of your multiple lovers?
	Sorry, but curiosity got the better of me, as is usually the case.
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:22:09 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols


>> I think she's referring to Celtic style knotwork.  I think the knotwork patterns
>> don't have any symbolic significance to the people that created them, they were
>> just decorative.  But, they were used in certain contexts (religious stones,
>> books, stuff like that), so that could be considered "symbolic."
>
>I have been using Celtic knotwork in some Ukranian easter egg patterns, and
>can assure you there is indeed some symbolism, most of which is subtle, and
>almost all of which is Christian. Well, at least in anything I have read.
>Two of the main things you want to keep in mind is that anything involving a
>complicated design drawn using a single line is in fact a symbol of Eternity.
>The Celtic designs very often involve threes ( three lines, three swirls in a
>circle, whatever.) This in fact is a symbol of the Holy Trinity. There are
>others I know, but I have forgotten them. I would recommend some heavy research>before deciding...

I guess that is true.  I did actually hear of the single line being symbolic
of eternity.  One other thing I heard of was two birds, sometimes intertwined
(especially in knotwork), are symbolic of two _very_ close friends, like the
friends of body and soul in one human being.
-me
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From: osiris@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Permanence
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:02:42 GMT

wab@well.sf.ca.us writes:

>...piercings sprouting out of their faces...
>I never saw such a mash of poseurs in my life.

Please explain to me what makes it obvious that they were poseurs, or
are you going on the assumption that many of them are not body art
afficianados? I got my nostril pierced after wanting to do that for
two years (before I knew anyone with it pierced).  I would hate to be
grouped with "them" because of this.  Same with my tragus.  Have I
"sprouted piercings?"  Am I a poseur even though I really enjoyed the
experience of getting my nipple pierced?

I guess I just don't understand how people can look at people and say
"poseur" without any inkling of that person's personality.  Isn't
"poseur" a state of mind?

confused...
peace
-marcel
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Shower Crayons
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:42:01 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:
: In-Reply-To:  ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET
: 
: > I really do get into playing with shower Crayons, and I can
: > see how someone could find tatoos and body art attractive.
: 
: Thats an interesting point. Now I'm not disputing that you have fun
: with these things, but isn't the whole significance of most body art
: its very *permanence*. I'm sure everyone has a mother/aunt/other
: relative who has offered to disown you should you ever acquire a tat
: with the advice "You don't want one of those, you'll be stuck with it
: for *ever*"  -  but isn't that the whole point ?

I don't think it necessarily is.  I agree that it's one of the things
which does appeal to me about them.  However, just looking at it as
the two words, "body art," which implies decoration, I certainly don't
think it needs to be permanent.  Nor does the permanence make one
'cooler' than the other somehow.


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From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Subject: Re: Permanence(Re: Shower Crayons)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:47:34 CDT

Maybe it's just 'cause I'm female or something, but my top two
questions are 'Can I see your tattoos' followed shortly by 
'can I touch them'.  The 'didn't it hurt' question seems to
show up much later from the petrified newbies in the tattoo
shop.

-maureen

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Re: Computer Images of Tatoos Piercings etc
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 11:07:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Gosh, the volume of tattoo GIF's is really swamping the group, eh?
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:39:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <l84ib5INNjsc@aludra.usc.edu> rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen) writes:
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>My girl friend was interested in getting an arm band tatoo, something
>like a celtic pattern, or a "scrolling englishish thing" to quote her,
>(dont ask me what that means, your guess is as good, or probably
>better than mine :-), but she wants to know the meaning of the
>differnt patterns.  so my question is, can someone point me in the
>direction of a good book(s) on this subject that not only has alot of
>good ideas for patterns, but also gives the meanings.
>
>thanks,
>robert.

I'm not sure what she's asking for.  As far as the various
celtic patterns go, they don't "mean" anything save in the eye
of the beholder.  (Well, if you're going to get a Celtic
cross, or copy a passage from the Book of Durrow, it's nice to
know it's got a Christian context, but even the Book of Durrow
is written in nice arabic characters, though it's in Irish
Gaelic...)  ;-)

Are you sure she's not talking about something out of Tolkien,
possibly elvish runes or somesuch thing?  (In this case, check
out the appendices at the back of Return of the King.)

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

I've worn high-heeled pointed-toed fashionable shoes for the past 
twenty years, and you ask me about if *getting tattooed* hurt?!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Naive question about piercings
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:14:21

"Tara" == Tara McDermott <tara@socrates.umd.edu> writes:

Tara> I feel really silly asking this, but how can you have sex if you
Tara> are a male and have a piercing somewhere on the genitals?  It

Depends on the piercing.  I have an ampallang, which is a bar going
thru the glans perpendicular to the main axis of the penis.  When I'm
fully erect, the balls on the end of the bar rest against the sides of
the glans, which means that my penis isn't effectively much wider. (It
just doesn't have the compression rate it used to have. :-)  So sex is
no problem.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


->      One more time for emphasis: There are NO spots on the
->      ear OR the nose that will cause paralysis if they're
->      pierced. It's NOT a worry, it WON'T happen, now you
->      can go for it and pierce away.


 Gee, I can't wiggle my ear now... maybe it's PARALYZED!

 Of course, I couldn't wiggle it *before*....


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