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From: mschaire@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark schairer)
Subject: Leafs and the cup
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:45:01 GMT



     I've been reading a heck of alot of posted news about the Leafs
 winning the cup. Sure, the Leafs are hotter than any team right now, 
 but the Cup. They are still only in fourth place in the Norris. Give
 them a year or so to rebuild until they have a cup contender. Right 
 now they can make the playoffs and gain some experience for yaers to 
 come. Next year they'll have a more experienced Potvin. Also they still
 need Pearson, Sacco, Manderville and Berehowsky to gain experience before
 a cup is in reach. Even though a cup win would be nice, let's be realistic
 and wait a year or so. For now, this season is just a start to the 
 Maple-Leaf era of the 90's and 2000's.


 

 A few thoughts for thought.
 -mark 


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From: oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody O'halloran u)
Subject: Greatness  
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:04:56 GMT


       Today is the GREAT ONEs birthday!

              All celebrate to honour Mike Bossy!!!
 

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From: fafuria@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: Re: The NHL is pretty tough this year.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:05:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.005616.19476@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@fraser.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 16634@Princeton.EDU, fafuria@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia) writes:
>
>This statistic does not prove anything about how tough a league is.  Because every game
>has one winner and one looser (or it is tied) the "average" team every year will be
>500.  It just happens, because of fluke, that there are several teams barely above
>average, and few below it, but the few that are below are WELL below (Ottawa, San
>Jose).
>To compare if the NHL is a tough, competitive league from one season to the next, one
>might use the standard deviation of the teams winning percentages.  Since the 
>mean will be .500 regardless of the level of competition, a low standard deviation would indicate
>that all teams are around .500 (thus on any given day, any team could beat another one)
>Probably, this season has a relatively high standard deviation because of the inept
>expansion teams.

Well, the expansion teams, Edmonton, and the Whalers give us high deviations, but since I see
only seven teams with a win-loss difference of more than five games, that means that there are
12 teams with huge deviations.  Hmmm.  Now we also have 12 teams with less than 5 games in
there win-loss difference.  I wonder if five is always this magic number?  I'll check the last
couple of years and get back to the net tomorrow.  (This is obviously not the proper way to
analyze things, but it's all I have time for, and I already feel kind of nerdy about this...)


>Gregmeister

Fred
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS NOTES
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:33:28 GMT

Right wing Jeff Odgers and defenseman Jayson More, who were given game
misconducts in separate brawls in Tuesday night's game against the Los Angeles
Kings, have been suspended for one game each, to be served Friday night against
the Chicago Blackhawks.  Depending on interpretation, Odgers, who picked up his
third and fourth game misconducts of the season during that game, could have
been suspended more, but the league office interpreted it in that Odgers would
only been suspended for one game.

As a result of those suspensions, the Sharks are expected to recall at least
one player from the Kansas City Blades of IHL before tomorrow.  Center Mark
Beaufait has been mentioned as a possibility.

Center Mike Sullivan will be the Sharks' lone representative at the NHL
SuperSkills Challenge during All-Star weekend in Montreal; he will compete in
speed skating.  Sullivan had turned in the fastest time in Campbell Conference
during individual team skills competitions, by finishing a lap around the ice
in 13.526 seconds.  The other Campbell representatives are Paul Ranheim of
the Calgary Flames (13.587), Christian Ruuttu of the Blackhawks (13.725), and
Bret Hedican of the St. Louis Blues (13.833).

The Sharks also announced that they had traded suspended left wing Brian Lawton
to the New Jersey Devils for considerations.  Lawton, who was assigned to the
Blades by the Sharks earlier in the season, walked out of the Blades on
January 7, and was suspended.  Lawton, who had scored 10 points (2 goals and
8 assists) with the Sharks this season and 37 points (15 goals and 22 assists)
in 59 games last season, was assigned to Cincinnati of IHL by the Devils.

Meanwhile, director of hockey operations Dean Lombardi is taking a two week
trip to Russia, where he'll be trying to sign winger Alexander Cherbayev so
that Cherbayev would finish the season in Kansas City.

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs!  Dave Manson for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: colin@ucs.ubc.ca (Colin Joe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE HABS?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:57:19 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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In article <1993Jan25.215630.6726@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.UUCP (Deepak Chhabra) writes:
>I'm not overly familiar with the guys in Fredericton.  I saw part of the
>Citadel-Canadiens AHL game yesterday, but not really enough to rate players. 
>I did, however, see some _huge_ guy (6' 5" and 240 pounds or so).  Who the
>hell is this?  And if he has anything at all in the way of skills, why isn't
>he up with Montreal?  Nobody else (except Odelein, and Ewen and Roberge who
>don't play much anyway) has a physical presence on the ice.
>
I think the Habs have to make some changes too.  Skrudland definitely
should not be playing even if he has just returned from injury - he should
go down to Fredricton for some conditioning.  I can see them farming him
off to a team like Minnesota for a 4th rounder a la Mike McPhee though.
They definitely need to increase their physical presence - look how well
Winnipeg has done since the acquisition of Domi and King.

>You mention Dionne, Savard, and Roberge.  On Marcel's little bro:  he's doing
>nothing.  Zero.  On Savard:  I don't know what's happened to him lately; he
>started the season really well.  Although he apparently was scratched from
>Saturday's game for suspension (anybody know why?).  As for Roberge, I think
>they should use him a little more; maybe let him rough things up a bit.
>
With regards to Savard, he was banished for getting his second game
misconduct for doing a little fencing with Fetisov in the game against
the Devils on Friday.  (To quote a local announcer, "There's Fetisov
giving him the ol' Sherwood Massage. ;-))  I can't explain Dionne's tail
spin - he showed a lot a potential last year but then again he was getting
a lot more ice time then.  

Needed from anywhere...a big defensemen, a back up goalie and more muscle.

cj
cj
From: jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Worst Trades
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:07:22 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Either of the Paul Coffey trades (for the RECEIVING team)

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From: twollnik@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ZAMBONI DRIVERS (WAS:
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:15:53 GMT

marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton) writes:

>Hi Marc, I saw your are a CHL fan and Oklahoma Blazers fan too!

>My name is MArc Gratton and I collect pocket game schedule( especially
>hockey ) and I'm trying to get all the teams from the NHL, AHL, IHL,
>ECHL, Colonial, and ntral...


>I Don't have Wichita nor Oklahoma, so is it possible to send me some and
>i could give you an INAUGURAL SEASON Ottawa Senators schedule...

Well Marc, I could be out of line here, but to my knowledge NO Central 
Hockey league teams have pocket schedules out yet.  I'v seen the
three-fold-pamphlets and the schedules in the programs....But alas
no pocket schedules.

During a Board of Directors meeting (me being one of them) I 
brought it up with the Dallas Freeze GM.  I wasn't aware of the great
demand for pocket schedules, but HE IS NOW.  They are going to try
to get some made up, but the season is half over now.  They will
definetely have them ready for next season though.         

I have close ties in Fort Worth and I haven't heard of them having
pocket schedules either.  I can't speak for Oklahoma City, but Marc
Foster can.  Hope that this made a little sense to y'all.


===============================================================================
For specific box scores, Dallas Freeze Info, Oklahoma City Blazer Info, or
any other CHL Info, please contact Marc Foster or myself at:
mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu or

===============================================================================
| Ted Wollnik Jr                       | Go Black Hawks !!!                   | 
| twollnik@rdxsun11.aud.alcatel.com    | Belfour for Vezina..Roenick for Hart | 
===============================================================================
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| Walking around all the time - thinking all the same things                  |
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yeah I know!! but at least it HOCKEY !!!!
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From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: NHL RESULTS OF GAMES PLAYED 1-20-93
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:06:32 GMT
Keywords: wednesday night's boxscores



NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 1/20/93.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  STANDINGS
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE
 TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT
 
 PIT  31 12  4  66   MON  29 15  5  63   CHI  27 17  6  60   VAN  28 13  5  61
 WAS  24 18  4  52   QUE  26 15  6  58   DET  26 19  4  56   CAL  25 17  5  55
 NJ   23 19  3  49   BOS  25 18  3  53   MIN  23 17  6  52   LA   23 18  5  51
 NYR  21 19  7  49   BUF  22 18  6  50   TOR  21 19  7  49   WIN  23 20  4  50
 NYI  20 22  5  45   HAR  12 30  4  28   STL  19 22  6  44   EDM  16 26  7  39
 PHL  17 20  7  41   OTT   4 42  3  11   TB   15 31  2  32   SJ    6 39  2  14


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New Jersey Devils   (23-19-3)   0   2   0   -   2
Montreal Canadiens  (29-15-5)   0   3   0   -   3

1st period: NONE

2nd period: NJD, Zelepukin 8 - (Semak, Konstantinov) 7:53
	    MON, Savard 11 - (Damphousse, Muller) (pp) 9:44
	    MON, Keane 12 - (Lebeau, Damphousse) 11:11
	    MON, Muller 21 - (Bellows) 16:58
	    NJD, MacLean 10 - 18:10

3rd period: NONE

Powerplay Opportunities-Devils    0 of 4
			Canadiens 1 of 3

Shots on Goal-	Devils     10  18   7  -  35
		Canadiens   9  20   8  -  37

New Jersey Devils--Terreri (9-12-1) (37 shots - 34 saves)
Montreal Canadiens--Roy (19-13-5) (35 shots - 33 saves)

ATT-16,345

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL Realignment Proposed
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:30:43 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Here is the NHL's latest realignment plan, currently under consideration:

*'s are next to teams who would be switching divisions and new teams:

 ADAMS          PATRICK        NORRIS         SMYTHE
 -------------  -------------  -------------  -------------
 Boston        *Miami          Chicago       *Anaheim 
 Buffalo        New Jersey     Detroit        Calgary
 Hartford       N Y Islanders  Minnesota      Edmonton
 Montreal       N Y Rangers   *Pittsburgh     Los Angeles
 Ottawa         Philadelphia   St. Louis      San Jose
 Quebec        *Tampa Bay     *Winnipeg       Vancouver
*Toronto        Washington 


By having 14 teams in one conference (geographically east) and 12 in the
other (geographically midwest and beyond), does this anticipate the next
expansion (latest word in before 2000) to give one team to a midwest city,
such as Indianapolis or Milwaukee?  The other team could go to a city like
Seattle or Denver.  Just a thought.


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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry Coach's Corner summary - Jan 16, 1993
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:59:37 GMT

allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) wrote:
>Next, Don talked about league expansion, and how Toronto could only
>protect one goaltender. Don said that he himself would never trade
>Fuhr, whom he considers to be the best goaltender in the league.

>Don recommended that the Leafs trade Potvin to a Quebec-based team...

I heard during the Tor/TB game that Tor might trade Fuhr to Tampa and Tampa
would trade him back for whatever they gave up + Tampa will get some lesser
player. Evidently Fletcher and Espo have discussed it.

Tom
From: marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: DUTCH HOCKEY LEAGUE  :  T
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: marc.gratton@synapse.org (Marc Gratton) 

I see that hckey is popular even in Holland!!!

Does any team have in distribution pocket game schedules?

if so, is it possible that mawbe you can send me a couple please? I live
in Canada, adn my hobby is collecting pocket game schedules.
My goal is to get some European schedules, but I've "struck out" since
November... Maybe you can help me PLEASE???


TTYL

  Marc "The Skating Frog" Gratton
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:47:29 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan22.150124.3086@mtroyal.ab.ca>, caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
> For me, it's easily the Montreal Canadiens sending a journeyman defenceman (I
> think it was Doug Mohns) to the California Golden Seals in exchange for the

Ah yes the California Golden Seals. Does anyone else remember when Chuck
Finley owned them and made them wear white skates??? Geezuz that was
stupid.... 



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From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic)
Subject: Re: Coffey (was: Barrasso has pox)
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:22:40 GMT

In article <2302@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
wrote:

> 
> 
> That "Boring" power play that you two seem to think is lacking has been
> scoring at a 26% clip with Francis and Murphy on the point and *NO*
> Coffey.
> 
> Coffey's best year in Pittsburgh we never APPROACHED 26%.
> 
> You can have pretty, or you can have productive.  I'll take productive.
> 
> Dean
> -- 
> 

Hey Dean, you got me wrong.  I couldn't agree with you more.  I don't think
it is at all boring now.  I just commented that it was fun to watch him
work because he is such a great passer, shooter, skater, etc (about
everything except defenseman).  I am completely satisfied with our power
play now.  I don't think there is anything wrong with remembering the past.
 Besides, we got quite a few good players out of the Coffey trade.

George
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Toronto wins the Cup (Why not?)
Keywords: Leafs Toronto Cup
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:24:40 GMT

In article <C1FCLr.8FE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ayim@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim) writes:
>
>So, the question remains....
>well, what about the Leafs!!!!!! Yes! You heard me
>the Leaf's!!!! I would like my fellow netter's
>opinions on this on reasons why or why not the Leafs
>won't take the cup. 
>
>Here are my reason's why...
>
>1. Gilmour Borchevsky Cullun Power play...
>   (actually 3 reasons)
>2. Best goaltending in the league. (if Grant is injured
>   there's always Potvin)
>3. They are presently over 25 points the same time
>   last year.
>4. Pat Burns is a proven coach
>5. They beat Montreal 2...2...2 times!!!
>   (please no flame from Hab fans)
>6. Best fans in the league. (cheap but gets the 
>   applause.)
>

Half-a-season of good hockey and suddenly Leaf fans have delusions
of grandeur...

...the Leafs have scored about 3 goals in Chicago in their last six
games...admittedly Belfour has choked two years in a row in the
playoffs, but if the Leafs can't score in the Stadium, they aren't
going anywhere.  And Detroit will have a stronger defense by the
end of the season...               

Remember, the Leafs are an injury to Gilmour away from missing the
playoffs.         

The Leafs are a bunch of old fogies who won't stand up to two months
of playoff punishment...take away Gilmour, Fuhr, and Potvin, and
the Leafs would have worse expectations than a young team like San Jose.

The Leafs (like the Kings) are basically praying for liberalized free 
agency, or looking for cash-strapped small market clubs to unload
expense underperforming talent like Cullen to rehabilitate.

Gerald
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: L A KINGS FANS [Sandstrom]
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:14:19 PST

In article <93022.171300PHAMER@ESOC.BITNET>, on 22 Jan 1993 17:12:59 CET,
<PHAMER@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>
>He's back and got a hattrick. Trade Wayne? I don't think so, but getting the
>goalie sorted out might help, against the Canucks Hrudey was 5 goals on 25
>shots with one of the goals from the blue-line with no traffic.
>

Uhhh...I wouldn't blame Hrudey, not even on the goal you mentioned.
I was at the game and Valk's shot from the left point DID go through
traffic...a 2-player screen.

Besides, the Kings turned the puck over twice and gave up the
puck in their own end...each of these miscues resulted in goals.
So blame the defense...not the goaltenders.

Gann
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:55:38 -0500 
From: Chad Nicholas Hunter <ch3g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pens-6 Caps-3

I was at the game tuesday (sitting in section e3, the upper deck.
pretty good seat) and i looked to me like dale hunter's first goal
was a backhander that found the upper left (goalies left) corner.
oh well, maybe my eyes were playing tricks.  anyway this was the
first pens game i had been to for about 4-5 years (watch them all
on tv but a poor college student like me can't afford to go)
question:  why don't they have a giant replay screen?  I kept
wanting to see the instant replays but couldn't.

chad
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From: bassek@lk-hp-13.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen)
Subject: Re: LA Kings D-fence
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:35:32 GMT

In <1993Jan24.230909.23484@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:

me:Who did LA Kings get for Peter Ahola when he was traded to Pittsburgh?
me:It looks that the Kings would need somebody to do the defensive work
me:after all. ( Buy Reijo Ruotsalainen (ex Oiler etc) from Bern ).

>I do not see the point in this advice:
> a) Reijo Ruotsalainen is not a defensive defenseman, he is an offensive
>    defenseman, skates well carries the puck in the style of Paul Coffey.
>    LA has already Paul Coffey, they do not need Reijo.

Watch those (). I should have added a smiley.
Besides, they might trade Coffey.

> b) Reijo is too small to be a defensive defenseman.

Lauri, you sound like an American. :-)
OK, he is small, but not that bad in front of the goals. (BOTH)

> c) Reijo is not for sale and he is not interested in the NHL. He will get
>    almost as much money by playing in the swiss league a fraction on the
>    games and a very little travelling. 

No NHL tam would pay him enough. To get him interested. Too Bad.

>- Lauri Tarkkonen

My question remains. Who did they get for Ahola?
From: v165nqxp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Joe Mikolic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re:  Mark Green
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A question about where Mark Green was playing was posted here recently.  In
the Jan. 29 Hockey News he is listed in the ECHL scoring stats as playing
for the Louisville Icehawks.  His numbers are 24-22-46 (in 35 games).

Joe
From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: War on Violence a Joke (Scott Taylor)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:48:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


There is no better sport to play or watch than Hockey.  The only problem
with Hockey is the Owners of certain teams who use their influence to
sway the decison making to favor their team. For example:

If the rules say that Bryan Murray should be suspended for 10 games
the guy should be suspended. Just because Mike Ilitch has alot of
money doesn't mean that Murray gets off.

If the rules say that a goaltender who leaves the crease and gets into
a fight will be ejected from the game , the eject him.

When thingds happen like the Scott Stvens situation with New Jersey and 
St. Louis, the leauge looks like a big joke.  Every person who know hockey
knows that Willie Wirtz orchistrated that whole deal to get Stevens out of St. Louis and help the Hawks.

The leauges top stars , Lemiux, gretzky and Hull have called the NHL anything
from a big joke to a garage leauge.

Hockey is a great sport and fighing and hard hits are a part of it.  Stupid
Decisions by idiot owners are whats hurting this sports image.

but i digress

Jim
Go BLUES
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