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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: nudity & sex
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:56:30 GMT

From article <OKES.92Dec20191801@SunLab42.essex.ac.uk>, by okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke):
> In article <1992Dec14.223803.26257@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
> | When I was a pre-teen, I was taught that the "necessities of life"
> | were 1. food, 2. clothing, and 3. shelter.  But if you want "life" to
> | last more than one generation, you have to add 4. sex, otherwise
> | when you die the species dies with you.
> |
> Would that be such a bad thing? From what I see when I look around, our
> species has done more harm than good to this planet. Just think how much
> better off all the other species would be without us.

This is tangential to the nudity issue, but I think it's worth making
a note of.  I agree that it isn't always a good thing for a species to
survive.  I may have been a little loose with my wording, but when I
said "if you want a species to survive," I didn't say you should want
that.  My point was that for a vertebrate species to survive, it must
have sex as well as food, etc.  The corollary is that if a species
survives, it must have evolved regular ways of providing itself with
food, protection, and also sex.  Sex is a part of your life because of
the way your species evolved.

> Sex is important if you want to see the continuation of the destruction of
> the world and the population explosion.

The world?  Should I believe that the world ought to be preserved with
no humans in it at all?  Far from it.  I am in and of the world, I
love being in it, and I want to preserve it, not for itself and other
species, but for my own children and my neighbors' children.

> SAVE THE WORLD! BE CELIBATE!

I think the human species will go through oscillations of population
and evolve various ways of regulating its population before it becomes
extinct.  Among these may be (warning: ObNude coming!!) the
abandonment of clothing as a sex lure, as well as increased practice
of non-reproductive forms of sex, including but not limited to
homosexuality.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: 25 Dec 1992 00:45:28 GMT
Organization: Sun
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In article <1992Dec22.015544.23540@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>In <ll44502@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>>ever seen is rear views. Cable stations such as HBO have shown frontal male
>>nudity.
>
>Wow....now I am curious...what movie did they show that has frontal male
>nudity? Personally I have never seen this on HBO or in the movies that I can
>remember...

HBO has become more conservative over the years.

I saw Deer Hunter uncut on commercial broadcast TV about ten years
ago.  I should have written to the station and congratulated them on
their bravery.

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Trip Report - Big & Little Caliente
Date: 29 Dec 1992 01:25:29 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


Oops, my calendar slipped by one year.

In article <> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton) writes:
>I hope to schedule two trips in 1992.  I'd like to make the Thanksgiving
>trip an annual event.  Perhaps some time in May would be good for the
>other trip.

Obviously, I meant 1993.  We might even make both trips annual events if
we can get a good turnout from Camping Bares in the area.

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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Teddy Bear Cove
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:54:22 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
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witters@eskimo.com (John Witters) writes:
>>illegal. There is still a little time for written comment, so people can send
>>letters to the Whatcom County Council at the courthouse in Bellingham, WA until
>>friday the 18th. ...
>	The current
>	status of the inquiry is dependant of a few conditions, one of them is
>	what the Whatcom County Council votes on Thurs and what an attorney
>	says about the new law.  

Now that Friday the 18th has passed (2 days after the original message
was dated), could we find out what happened last Thursday at
the Whatcom County Council meeting?  I'd prefer not to wait
several months, actually.


(These computer networks are so fast, aren't they?)

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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:20:58 PST

In regards to your question on bluring out genital areas and female breasts
on USA television.

>Is this a requirment of US television?  Do they do this for National
Geographix stuff too?  Is the state really that repressive or is
this self-censorship on part of the station/network/studio to avoid
litigation?<

I think it was done more in the way of self-censorship. The show was on
during the mid-day and is "housewife" orientated (no flames on being a
sexist please, couldn't come up with a better term) but that is not
necessarily why they censor. I have seem segments on breast cancer and self
exam broadcast that made no attempt to blur out breasts. I have also seen
female nudity on some evening shows, male nudity is rare and all I I have
ever seen is rear views. Cable stations such as HBO have shown frontal male
nudity.
-----
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: thinking about sex (was Re: nudity & sex, young and old)
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:23:28 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <Bzpyo3.BCE@brunel.ac.uk> Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes:
-In article <1992Dec15.231457.799@isag1.twuug.com> gc@isag1.twuug.com (George Colt) writes:
->abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
->: Spoken like a true 17 year old!  :-)   That's not an insult, I 
->: sometimes wonder what it would be like to be 17 again.  However, when 
->: you get to my advanced age (I turned 43 this week), you can go for 
->: minutes 
->: at 
->: a 
->: time without thinking about sex!
->
->Geee! I'm looking forward to that. I'm 41 and I still can't manage
->more than a few SECONDS!
-
-I'm 65 and I can't go more than a few seconds without thinking
-about sex.


Try spending the Solstice Holidays with my sisters.  I can guarantee you
you`ll go for a whole week thinking of nothing but escaping, sex will 
never enter your mind.  And if you see my sisters naked you'll stop
thinking about sex for a LONG time.  That would most certainly end the
nudity=sex argument.

-- 
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Thomas Earl Middleton		|
aka Happy Bare			| 	(witty saying goes here)
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	|
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: 24 Dec 1992 19:03:52 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <ln41511@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>>From what I gather women seem to like seeing men's butts more than penises.
>This is just an informal observation, nothing scientific. If this is the
>case, the enterainment industry will cater to the women this way. Consider
>the response to Kevin Costner's butt scene in Danceing With Wolves, tis
>prompted a lot of conversation among my female friends and the anticipation
>of another scene in Robin Hood. However, I understand that they used a
>stunt butt in Robin Hood.

Maybe, but if you gave those women a choice between seeing his rear and
seeing his front, do you think more than 50% would choose to only see
his butt?

Cheers. Bill.

-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:03:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.015544.23540@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
..........
>
>after a movie who complains that the woman was in umpteen trillon full frontal
>nude shots but that the men NEVER are...which seems to me to be very sexist,
>not to mention what it says about the acceptability of the male body. I
>personally don't understand the prohibition against male nudity....it seems to
>me that either you're against nudity all together or that you are for it all
>together...what's with the double standard? *perhaps I am naive :-)*

It's not really a double standard. In most frontal nude shots mens
genitals are exposed and females are not so they are a smidgen different.
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Subject: Re: Naked men in movies (re: Network Nudes)
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:10:37 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

David Post (post@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM) wrote:
>"The Quiet Earth" - Non-sexual, from Australia
                                      ^^^^^^^^^
New Zealand actually.

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From: lmeissne@carson.u.washington.edu (Loren Meissner)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Seattle Swims
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:21:47 GMT
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Distribution: pnw
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 I apologize in advance for taking up national bandwidth on what is admittedly
a local concern.

The Nude Swims in Seattle apparantly require ASA or Naturist membership.
I called the phone number to inquire about the policy regarding guests
at the swims, but received no response to the voice message I left nearly a
week ago. Does anyone know what the policy is regarding guests?
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From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:28:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.015544.23540@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>Wow....now I am curious...what movie did they show that has frontal male
>nudity? Personally I have never seen this on HBO or in the movies that I can
>remember. I think I would remember if I can see it because I am always the one
>after a movie who complains that the woman was in umpteen trillon full frontal
>nude shots but that the men NEVER are...which seems to me to be very sexist,
>not to mention what it says about the acceptability of the male body. I
>personally don't understand the prohibition against male nudity....it seems to
>me that either you're against nudity all together or that you are for it all
>together...what's with the double standard? *perhaps I am naive :-)*

Actually, it is market-driven.  Linda Hamilton (Sarah Connor, Teminator, 
Terminator II) was interviews about her role and asked to comment on the 
lack of "strong" roles for woman in motion pictures and responded, a little 
bitterly, and the studios were not really at fault, but were just responding 
to their market.  

"By far the vast majority of movie tickets are purchase by men, boys, 
really, between the ages of 16-25.  And they want to see two things:  a man 
kick ass, and a woman shut up."  -- Linda Hamilton (Paraphrased)

If her assessment is correct, that would also explain the relative nature of 
nudity in films.  The people buying the tickets want to see it that way.

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From: stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:06:08 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

In article <BzKwJF.6zr@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca> nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:
>Lee Dronick (leed@pro-harold.cts.com) wrote:
>: Inside San Diego, local TV talk show here, did a segment on the Nudist
>: lifestyle today.
>
>: naturist movies, but the with genital areas and female breasts blurred,
>: there was no censorship of male or female buttocks.
>
>Is this a requirment of US television?  Do they do this for National
>Geographix stuff too?  Is the state really that repressive or is
>this self-censorship on part of the station/network/studio to avoid
>litigation?
>
>Nigel
>

My (possibly flawed) understanding is that the state is not required
to be that repressive because it is "self-censorship on part of the
station/network/studio to avoid litigation", or really more to avoid
complaint, if not litigation.  In light of the recent Barnes vs. Glen
Theatre decision however, it seems the state would have no problem
imposing cencorship if it thought it needed to.  It might decide it
needed to if anyone lodged a complaint.  

What do you suppose the odds of that happening are?


Matthew R. Stein            | 
GRASP Laboratory            | Comedy is the best policy.
University of Pennsylvania  | 
Philadelphia, P.A. 19104    | 
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From: perlman@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
Subject: Cranberry Lake
Reply-To: perlman@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 03:32:50 GMT

Anyone ever visit Cranberry Lake off of Route 22
south of Armonk NY?  I had some good times there
about 20 yrs ago and I was wondering what its like
now.

Rich.
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Oh My God Visit
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 21:00:32 PST

Oh My God Hot Well is 2.8 miles west of Salton City just off of Highway
S22. It's south of S-22 just a few miles on dusty but passable dirt road.
You can see the smear of green plants from the highway and there is usually
a number of vehicles parked in the vicinity. The road comes right up to the
spring and continues on to the badlands area. The site is on a wide, low
plain and is surounded by sparse vegitation (except by the pools). The
spring, actually a well issues from about an 8 inch pipe and is very
hot.The water is lead to a series of pools that get progressivily cooler.
The are can accomodate a large number of visiters and is quite popular over
the Holiday Season with a lot of folks staying for months.

If you come from Borrego Springs, watch as you approach the town of Salton
City. The turn off is shortly after you descend from high plateau to the
flood plain of the Salton Sea. The dirt road is marked by a sign that says
"Road not Maintained" or something similar.

The Camping Bares will be there over the New Years holiday. If you come,
watch for my black Nissan 4x4 with a silver camper shell.
-----
Lee Dronick
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Trip Report - Big & Little Caliente
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:46:31 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec23.161554.415@megatek.com> jimc@megatek.com writes:
>	Well, Tom, I saw Bill at Summerland beach (nude section)
>on Saturday, the day after we left you guys.

Well Jim, if you had any credibility on this net at all it is gone
now.  However, I suspect that your run for presidency probably put
you in the "don't believe anything this guy says" category.  :-)

>	YES! Definitely worth it! Those of you reading this that
>could have gone but didn't, missed out. Don't be so dumb next year.

I hope to schedule two trips in 1992.  I'd like to make the Thanksgiving
trip an annual event.  Perhaps some time in May would be good for the
other trip.

>    One final note. When my group stopped at Big Caliente on the way
>out, we asked if anyone minded if we wore our birthday suits. There
>was 1 objection, so we wore bathing suits until said party left (right
>at dusk). We were told by all those present that (at least during the
>warm months) the sheriff (or maybe it was the ranger) would suddenly
>spring upon the tub and cite those not clothed. A $25 fine (or some 
>such) is involved. We stayed another hour or so and had no such problem.
>But, it was COLD at night! (the air). 

On my way home from visiting my sister I drove in to Big Caliente for one
night.  I was there Saturday night (Dec. 26) and Sunday morning.  Over a
dozen people used the hot pool while I was there and most of them were nude.
Some of the regulars claimed that one particular Forest Service ranger used
to park down the road and sneak up to the pool through the creek just so he
could catch and cite nude bathers.  Apparently he was a zealot on other
matters also and earned the wrath of many visitors.  Enough so that complaints
about that particular ranger earned him a transfer to Siberia (or the Forest
Service equivalent of such).

During the summer months the place has a lot of users and the likelyhood of
encountering someone who will complain about nudity increases greatly.  I
highly recommend sticking to little Caliente if you go there when its
crowded.  On the other hand, it is clear that the vast majority of people
who use the natural hot tubs prefer to do it nude (even if they don't think
of themselves as nudists).

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From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:55:44 GMT

In <ll44502@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>ever seen is rear views. Cable stations such as HBO have shown frontal male
>nudity.

Wow....now I am curious...what movie did they show that has frontal male
nudity? Personally I have never seen this on HBO or in the movies that I can
remember. I think I would remember if I can see it because I am always the one
after a movie who complains that the woman was in umpteen trillon full frontal
nude shots but that the men NEVER are...which seems to me to be very sexist,
not to mention what it says about the acceptability of the male body. I
personally don't understand the prohibition against male nudity....it seems to
me that either you're against nudity all together or that you are for it all
together...what's with the double standard? *perhaps I am naive :-)*

Jen

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From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: films with full-frontal male nudity
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:53:15 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec23.052518.11501@csi.uottawa.ca> misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.015544.23540@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:

>> Wow....now I am curious...what movie did they show that has frontal male
>> nudity? Personally I have never seen this on HBO or in the movies that I can
>> remember. I think I would remember if I can see it because I am always the one
>> after a movie who complains that the woman was in umpteen trillon full frontal
>> nude shots but that the men NEVER are...

>   See the film _Prospero's Books_.  Then, if you understand it,
>please explain it to me!

>misrael@csi.uottawa.ca			Mark Israel
>Peace on Earth and good will towards all God's creatures!

*laugh* I've already seen it...and BOY did it give me a headache...probably why
I didn't think of it as an example of frontal male nudity ;-)

Jen
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From: ben@val.com (Ben Thornton)
Subject: Re: nudity & sex
Organization: Video Associates Labs - Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:56:59 GMT

In article <1gri7iINNgod@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>In article <> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>===============================================================================
>Thomas Earl Middleton
>middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu			computers = sex
>aka Happy Bare

The problem with computers = sex:  being NIFOC might be an admission
that you are just there for the sex...

:-)

Ben

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From: rford@pro-harold.cts.com (Richard Ford)
Subject: Re: Oh My God Visit
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:16:06 PST

>From Borrego Springs head east on S-22 towards the Salton Sea.  After about
15 miles you will see a giant red and white microwave tower on your left. 
Go 4.9 miles past the tower and turn right onto a dirt road which has a
sign warning that it is not well maintained.  Follow the dirt road for 0.9
miles and you will see the well in the midst of the vegitation and cars. 
You can drive right up to the pools and the dirt road to them is quite good
(in spite of the warning sign).
-----
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV segment
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 10:19:26 PST

>Wow....now I am curious...what movie did they show that has frontal male
nudity? Personally I have never seen this on HBO or in the movies that I
can
remember<

In the biagraphy of Jim Morrison, "The Doors", there was frontal male
nudity showing the penis several times, although they were brief shots.

Yesterday during the daytime on the local education channel was a show
about a tribe in New Guinea or some other place. The men wore nothing more
than penis wraps.
-----
Lee Dronick
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