From: lampola@tele.nokia.fi (Markus Lampola)
Subject: Evoluution todisteet
Reply-To: Markus.Lampola@ntc.nokia.com
Organization: kpd
Distribution: sfnet.keskustelu.evoluutio
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:00:16 GMT


Tero Sandin l{hett{m{t todisteet sanovat:


>>Robert E. McGrath writes:
>
>>What Creationists don't accept is the extrapolation that since
>>micro-evolution has (and does) occurred, then certainly macro-evolution
>>must have occurred.

Totta!

>
>Nobody (that I know of) would claim macro-evolution is based on an
>extrapolation from microevolution. I certainly wouldn't think it was
>a very compelling theory if that were the case.

Juuri {sken joku evolutionisti v{itti t{ll{ palstalla, ett{
kyseess{ on vain suuruusluokkaero. N{in ollen siis de facto v{itet{{n
juuri, ett{ makroevoluutio on ekstrapolaatio mikroevoluutiosta.

>Notice we still observe (present tense) micro-evolution.
           ^^^^^

Tarkoittaako t{m{ sit{, ett{ evoluutio on hiipumassa ja vain
mikroevoluutiota on en{{ j{ljell{. Huom! T{ss{ k{site makroevoluutio
sis{lt{{ lajien syntyyn liittyvi{ ajatuksia. T{ss{ liskolinnut,
Piltdownin ihmiset ja lyhytkaulaiset kirahvit astuvat j{lleen
n{ytt{m|lle...


> Some evidence of common ancestry.
> _________________________________
>
> 1.] Comparative genetic and biochemical data
>

Samalla logiikalla p{{dytt{isiin siihen, ett{ koska sek{ Mossessa
ett{ Bemarissa on renkaat ja viel{p{ sama lukum{{r{, niin selv{sti
molemmat ovat ovat kehittyneet T-Fordista. Totuus: Kaikki ko. autot
on suunniteltu suunnittelijoiden toimesta.

> DNA or protein sequence comparisons of closely related species
> (as determined by morphologists) yeild similar sequences.

On my|s havaittu, ett{ olipa kyseess{ l{heiset tai kaukaiset lajit,
erot ovat kaikkien kesken samaa suuruusluokkaa.

> The universal genetic code is a redundant code; that is there are 
> more possible codons than are needed. So, most amino acids are coded 
> for by several codons.

On havaittu, ett{ mit{ t{rke{mpi aminohappo on kyseess{, sit{ useampia
kolmikoita sit{ vastaa. Mielest{ni t{m{ on hyvin suunniteltua ja
perusteltua redundanssia.

> Evolutionary biologists take the above mentioned patterns of
> similarity as evidence of common descent. All organisms use

Onpa heppoiset perusteet!

> Thus, early development is highly conserved so it
> appears as if mammals (for example) share an early developmental pathway 
> then diverge from it. Remnants of an organisms phylogenetic history that
> serve no present purpose are called vestigal structures. A good
> example of a vestigal structure are the rudiments of legs still seen
> in whale skeletons.

Monet "tarpeettomat" j{senet ovat my|hemmin osoittautuneet tarpeellisiksi
esim. siki|nkehityksen aikana.

> The grouping of biological traits only makes sense when you
> assume all organisms share a common ancestor, and subgroups of
> organisms share common ancestors and so on. Traits are thus 
> "linked" via common ancestry.

T{m{ on maailmankatsomuksesta johtuva p{{ttely.

> 5.] Evolution is a successful predictive theory. The hierarchy
> explained above is not only an observation, but a prediction.
> Any new traits surveyed should fall with previously established
> hierarchies. Recent advances in molecular biology have shown 

Juuri n{in valitettavasti ei ole. Ei ole harvinaista, ett{ l|ytyy
esim. fossiileja, jotka eiv{t sovi aikaisempaan teoriaan.
Muistaakseni Richard Leakey l|ysi Afrikasta ns. kallo 1470:n
(toivottavasti muistan nimen oikein), joka sotki pahasti kaikki
sukupuut.

					Markus Lampola
 


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