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From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: What is DUB stand for?????
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:59:10 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <C0JxFJ.87n@acsu.buffalo.edu>, rkv@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rajeev K. Verma) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 	I do not know much about reggae; Can Someone tell
|> 
|> me; What is DUB stand for?
|> 
|> 	Can someone suggest me; which Album should I buy,
|> 
|> in which Most of the songs are like Wickked in Bed by
|> 
|> Shabba Rhanks.
|> 
|> 
|> 				Good Day
|> 
|> 			      Rajeev Verma

  Try to find the Greensleeves Sampler series. Number 6 arrived this year and
  they are crammed full with the largest dancehall hits, mostly Musicworks 
 productions. I think Greensleeves is an UK company so I don't know if they
 are available in the US.

  
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From: plm@reggae.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt)
Subject: Re: Reggae Archives Monthly Posting
Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:13:19

>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:16:05 GMT, mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka) said:


> 	If you have any problems or anything to contribute, mail me at 
> mike@jammin.nosc.mil.

I have some GIF files.  Peter Tosh & Bob Marley (which is my current screen
background).  I plan to create some more.  Also I would like to see a
listing of all the reggae radio shows in the world.  I'm working on a list
for the New York/New Jersey area.

> 						One Love, Mike

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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: reggae archives
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 14:21:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan8.173741.5966@nosc.mil> mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka) writes:
I've always liked the book, too:  The Harder They Come
                                  -Michael Thelwell
 
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Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Annoyances ( was Re: Blue eyed dub)
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:52:59 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan11.170432.11458@nosc.mil>, mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka) writes:
> In article <1993Jan9.013347.11179@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> |> I disagree with you on some of this, but maybe we can agree to disagree.  I
> |> believe that it is a mark of disrespect when you take somebody's obvious
> |> religious and spiritual symbols and treat them with trite disregard.  For
> |> example if some group believes that a certain area is sacred, then though I
> |> won't agree I will respect their beliefs.  Same thing goes with locks.  It's
> |> probably due to my having grown up in Jamaica, where you would not be wearing
> |> locks for fashion.
> |> 
> 
> 	Interesting, none of my jamaican friends feel this way, although
> admittedly it's not a large sample and none are rastas. I'm wondering how you
> feel about wearing the red, gold and green, caps and stuff. To me it shows
> support for reggae (as well as looking nice ...).
> 
> 								mike

I personally don't have a problem with colours, or Haile Selassie pins. 
However even if your J'can friends don't feel the same way as I do, I would
find it surprising  if any J'can would not express the sentiment that locks are
something which to us uniquely identify Rastafarians.  It's a bit like seeing a
nun's habit become a fashion item.

McBean
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Subject: Re: Haile Selassie
From: <LIBRBA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 07:27:51 MST
Distribution: na
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1ijtpgINN5d1@meaddata.meaddata.com>, derrick@meaddata.com (Derrick
Tatem) says:
>>  What does all this have to do with Jamaica and
>>reggae?
>
>Well reggae was born in Jamaica.
>

   We need to remember, however, that reggae had been around in its early
forms for quite a while before it was adopted as Rasta music.  Ska and
rock steady were simply dance music styles, and Rastafarians added Nyahbinghi
drumming and "conscious" lyrics to those styles as they slowed down and
mellowed out.
   At least that's how I understand it...
--
Rootsman Rick  librba@BYUVM.BITNET
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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm (Evil Spock))
Subject: Re: Blue eyed dub
Keywords: "Dub me tender, dub me sweet"
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:53:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161902.23152@ico.isc.com>, brooks@ico.isc.com (Chris Brooks) writes:
|> 
|> I realize that white boy dub can be construed to be a rip-off of real dub, but I
|> find some of it quite good, eg.
|> 
|> 	1) Clash - "Black Market Clash"
|> 		Actually, side 2: Bankrobber Dub, etc.
|> 		There is also some on "Sandinista" (eg. One More Time/Dub)
|> 
|> 	2) African Head Charge and related
|> 		There is an early variant of these guys called the "New Age 
|> 		Steppers" who do some great dub in the form of "Love Forever"
|> 		and "Fade Away".
|> 
|> CBB

	Include also a ditty by Stiff Little Fingers called 'Bloody Dub', from
	the album 'Nobody's Heroes'.  It's only 2-3 minutes however. The Clash
	stuff is longer.  I like it!   Stiff Little Fingers actually
	incorporated a lot of reggae/dub riffs into their music.  

-- 
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  Newfoundland, Ocean Acoustics   |
  Canada                          |
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From: jdv5753@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: old sounds
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:55:02 GMT
Reply-To: jdv5753@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1ipnshINNjmk@morrow.stanford.edu>, RC.DAN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dan Pollak) writes:
>I have questions for reggae listeners more knowledgeable than
>myself:
>
>2) I really like Bob Marley, and I also greatly enjoy the The Harder
>They Come soundtrack.  However, I haven't heard much else from the
>reggae world that really grabbed me.  Can anyone name a widely
>available reggae album or compilation that is so darned good even a
>marginal fan would like it?
>
>--dp

Legalize It by Peter Tosh is one of my favorite reggae albums.  You can usually
find it in the bargin CD bins for around $9.

jeff
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From: dmorton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ( )
Subject: Re: old sounds
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:47:11 GMT


I don't know specifically which members are originals but I know that
a couple of them are. If it's the same band I saw, I wouldn't hesitate
an instant in recommending the show. I thought they put on one of the
best shows I've ever seen of any kind. They played for 3+ hours in a
small auditorium. Absolutly incredible! It was one of those shows where
you just lose all control of your body to the music. It was kinda a
bummer for a while b/c the crowd(Notre Dame) just wanted them to play
the well-known hits (No Woman No Cry, etc.). They didn't listen,
thankfully, and stuck with the fat stuff. -Dan


-- 
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From: gdnikoli@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Greg Nikolic)
Subject: Re: Who was Selassie? (was Re: Annoyances)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:46:24 GMT

>Haile Selassie was the Emperor of Ethiopia before being ousted in a military
>coup sometime in the mid-seventies.  Rastafarians believe that he fulfilled
>certain prophecies (I can't recall just now) concerning God on Earth.  

     In addition, he was ruler of Ethiopia during the Second World War. Before
the conflict broke out into full-scale European warfare, the Italians had 
invaded Ethiopia. Selassie came to the League of Nations (precursor to our
present 'United Nations') pleading for justice and world order in stopping the
Italian invasion. Not surprisingly, nothing happened and the Italians actually
managed one of their few victories during the War. (Ghandi was once asked,
"What do you think of Western civilization?", to which he responded, "I think
it would be a good idea." I agree.)

     Ethiopia was once called Abyssinia, and is quite an ancient nation,
actually. My sister (who is a Rasta) says with pride that Ethiopia is one of
the few locations on Africa not actually cut up piecemeal by the Europeans
during the 19th century in their great African binge, but I'm not positive on
that. But anyway, for that reason, Ethiopia stands out as a sovereign, proud
African nation, etc etc.

     A few more points of trivia about Rasta-Ethiopia-Reggae-Jamaica: the
distinctive colours, green-yellow-orange (I believe) are from Africa. The
religion itself (Rastafarianism) is an odd blend of Christianity with 
some surviving elements of African culture, and ganja (marijuana) and 
Reggae thrown in. I have to admit, as an atheist, my skepticism with this
religion. There are a few amusing books (one again which my sister has and
i have perused with much amusement) which have Africa take credit for all
European scientific advances in the last three thousand years. It's pretty
funny.
 
>This theology originated in Jamaica.  Rastas were the frontrunners in the
>development of reggae music, the legendary Wailers (Bob Marley, Peter Tosh &
>Bunny Wailer), Dennis Brown, Burning Spear etc, so the music came to be closely
>identified with rasta theology.

     Yeah, that brings me to my question. My sister Melissa is having her
birthday on Feb 14 and I want to buy her some boom new reggae sounds. She (of
course) loves Marley (god knows how many wall paintings she has of him), and
really like Arrested Development. Could someone suggest something else that
my sister would like, something a little different to surprise and delight her?
Keep in mind that I live in a mass marketing, mall-centred area in Ontario, and
hence most mainstream stores will have a limited selection of reggae...altho'
if someone knows of a good reggae/ska store in Kitchener-Waterloo, I'd apprec-
iate that too.

     Thanks.

     Jah Guide and Protect,

     Greg

     *grin*


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From: LB.NKA@isumvs.iastate.edu (Nubi Achebo)
Subject: What is Dub
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:59:31 GMT

"Eventually this vocal deejaying was augmented by messing with tone knobs and
echo reverb switches, often rendering a well known reggae tune unrecognizable
and creating a hybrid in the process.  This was the beginning of the beast
called "dub."
Jamaican engineer King Tubby used to mix Sir Coxone's two-track tapes with
musicians on a one track and vocals on the other.  He would then make an
acetate on the final mix, but to test the quality of the voices, Tubby would
drop out the music track for a chorus.  He explains that it got to be real
exciting when the music dropped back in.  He took five or so of these acetates
to a Coxone dance one night and and the crowd would not allow him play
anything else.  Later Bunny Lee began to back all his singles with a
"version," souping up the sound (after Tubby's example) great puddles of
echoes and reverb"

So for me dub means tons and tons of earth shaking echoes and reverbs.  Try
King Tubby's Special 1973-1976 - Trojan Records.


Nubi Achebo.

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From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Subject: Reggae Archives Monthly Posting
Organization: NRaD
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:16:05 GMT


	This is the monthly posting for the reggae archives at jammin.nosc.mil 
(128.49.17.163). To access the archives, ftp to jammin and login with username 
anonymous, use your email userid and address as the password. After logging in,
change directory to pub/reggae. The files available are:

faq		Frequently asked questions
		1. Dub Recommendations

patois.txt	Rasta/Patois Dictionary

lyrics directory
	
	Israel Vibration: Strength of My Life

pics directory

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	jah_lion.gif


	If you have any problems or anything to contribute, mail me at 
mike@jammin.nosc.mil.

						One Love, Mike

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From: rohilton@diana.cair.du.edu (RON HILTON )
Subject: Re: reggae archives
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:45:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.173741.5966@nosc.mil> mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka) writes:
>	Some new stuff, thanks to Hans Hrasna for a couple of sound files for SUN
>workstations:
>
>/pub/reggae/audio/buffalo.au	Buffalo Soldiers - Bob Marley
>/pub/reggae/audio/wine.au	Red Red Wine - UB40
>
>	Another entry in the FAQ:
>
>-----------
>2. Can anyone recommend some books on reggae?
>
>1. Catch a Fire - The Life of Bob Marley. Timothy White. Holt, Rinehart and
>   Winston. 1983
>
>2. Reggae Bloodlines - In Search of the Music and Culture of Jamaica. Stephen
>   Davis and Peter Simon. Heinemann Educational Books Ltd. 1977
>
>3. Reggae International. Stephen Davis and Peter Simon. Rogner & Bernhard GMBH 
>   & Co. 1982
>
>----------
>
>	I'm sure many of you can add to this list. Anyone else got more sound
>files?

Magazines --
The Beat
Reggae Report
>
>
From: tews@dfki.uni-sb.de (Martin Tews)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Female Reggae
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:58:05 +0100
Organization: DFKI - German Research Center for AI
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gs-serv1.dfki.uni-sb.de

In article <1ic37cINNdq3@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna) writes:
|> 
|> >	I was in a club about a month ago (Western Front) and heard a 
|> >tune sung by a female and want to find out who it is and the name of the
|> >song etc. Problem is, all I can remember of the song is a small part of
|> >the chorus where she sings "Oh Lord, oh Lord" but she drawls the word lord
|> >into 2 syllables so it comes out "oh low-ward, oh low-ward...", I wish
|> >I could remember more, but you know how it goes... hope someone can help
|> >me out mon...
|> 	Another clue to the mystery, a friend reminded me of another song
|> by the same female voice that starts out:
|> 	"Brothers and Sisters rocking..." 
|> He doesn't know her name either though.... argh... 

And to make it even more complicated... a song by Linton Kwesi Johnson
starts with the same words, I guess it was "Five Nights Of Bleeding".

Rastafari,

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> Tel: +49 681 302-5333    Fax: +49 681 302-5341  Net: tews@dfki.uni-sb.de <
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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Ragamuffin (was Re: Annoyances
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:43:23 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan11.165929.11279@nosc.mil>, mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka) writes:
> In article <1993Jan9.013748.11180@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> 
> |> I find that the problem with dancehall stuff (ragamuffin esp.) is that it is
> |> primarily an entertainment vehicle, as opposed to classic reggae which always
> |> had a message to give; and then people trying to judge both music forms in the
> |> same light.
> |> 
> 
> 	How can I distinguish "ragamuffin" from standard dancehall? Are there
> other forms of "ragamuffin".
> 
> 							mike

Raggamuffin usually refers to contemporary dance-hall stuff, as opposed to
earlier dancehall by U-roy, Michigan and Smiley, General Echo.   So anything by
say NinjaMan, Buju Banton, Shabba etc. would be classified as ragamuffin.  The
polarity really opened up in the 80's when the DJs established a stranglehold
on the local reggae market, marginalising the singers (the Leroy Sibbles,
Mighty Diamonds etc) who previously had been the main vehicle of reggae.

McBean
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From: brooks@ico.isc.com (Chris Brooks)
Subject: Blue eyed dub
Keywords: "Dub me tender, dub me sweet"
Reply-To: brooks@vail.ICO.ISC.COM (Chris Brooks)
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:19:02 GMT


I realize that white boy dub can be construed to be a rip-off of real dub, but I
find some of it quite good, eg.

	1) Clash - "Black Market Clash"
		Actually, side 2: Bankrobber Dub, etc.
		There is also some on "Sandinista" (eg. One More Time/Dub)

	2) African Head Charge and related
		There is an early variant of these guys called the "New Age 
		Steppers" who do some great dub in the form of "Love Forever"
		and "Fade Away".

CBB
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From: plm@reggae.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt)
Subject: Re: What is DUB stand for?????
Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:12:20

>>>>> On 8 Jan 93 20:11:42 GMT, rkv@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rajeev K. Verma) said:
> Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu

> Hi,
> 	I do not know much about reggae; Can Someone tell
> me; What is DUB stand for?

DUB - Devastating Unrelenting Bassline!!!

> 				Good Day

> 			      Rajeev Verma
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
|Paul Mowatt               plm@reggae.cam.bellcore.com  "Materialism is wrong,|
|Bellcore, RRC 5H-127      plm@czar.bellcore.com         only when it's not   |
|444 Hoes Lane             (W) (908) 699-6947            evenly distributed." |
|Piscataway, NJ 08855-1342 (H) (700) DUB-WIZE                                 |
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From: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse)
Subject: Re: The Wailers
Reply-To: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
Organization: AISS/Telecom University of Illinois -- Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:01:52 GMT

  Yes indeed !
   
  Check out P's & Q's from the I.D. cd........
 
  




  jim
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From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Subject: Re: What is Dub?
Organization: NRaD
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:36:51 GMT


	Look at the B-sides of Jamaican 45s beginning with rock steady, and
you'll notice many of them say "Version". This is "dub", a simple instrumental
remix of the A-side that may also include a few scraps of the vocals. The singers
are "dubbed out", but in most other respects the version is identical to the
A-side. Begun as a test for sound levels during the record-mastering process,
version later became vogue. The Jamaican public developed an avid taste for
veriosn, and the scat-singing sound-system deejays took to recording their
master-of-ceremonies raps over the hit-backing rhythms.

		"Reggae International", Davis and Simon
		Chapter 8, X-Ray Music

						niceness,	mike
From: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Female Reggae
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:30:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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	Greets Rasta, Jah live!

	I was in a club about a month ago (Western Front) and heard a 
tune sung by a female and want to find out who it is and the name of the
song etc. Problem is, all I can remember of the song is a small part of
the chorus where she sings "Oh Lord, oh Lord" but she drawls the word lord
into 2 syllables so it comes out "oh low-ward, oh low-ward...", I wish
I could remember more, but you know how it goes... hope someone can help
me out mon... ire, also I still seek the name of the album by the Norwells
that has "Trial and Tribulation", the song goes:

		Trail and tribulation, trial and tribulation
		trial and tribulation of the Rastaman, in a distant land
		dragons and vampires have set themselves together
		to suck the blood of the rastaman, in a distant land...
From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Annoyances ( was Re: Blue eyed dub)
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:20:58 GMT
Organization: NRaD

In article <4498@unisql.UUCP>, ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.165810.11135@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> >I would extend (or more precisely change that) to "people who aren't Rastafari
|> >should not wear locks".  It really annoys me to see people taking a religious
|> >symbol and making it into a fashion statement or an indicator of how
|> >hip/cool/down/with it they really are.
|> 
|> Well, no offense, Mcbean, but I get kind of annoyed when people say that other 
|> people "shouldn't" do something or dress some way just because they have 
|> different reasons for doing so.  I understand the significance of dreadlocks 
|> in Rastafarianism, but I don't think that that means that others who don't 
|> subscribe to the religion "shouldn't" wear them.  It's like a Christian 
|> telling all the death rock kids that they shouldn't wear crosses and rosaries 
|> if they're not Xtian, or trappist monks or white supremacists telling me I 
|> shouldn't shave my head if I'm not Catholic/racist.
|>

	Well said, I was trying to come up with the words to express the exact
sentiments.

	I used to get annoyed when I was at concerts and would see all the
kids shouting "Rastafari" when 99% had little or no clue what it meant, but then
I decided if it weren't for all these kids, there wouldn't be many concerts. 
 
|> reggae artists?  I know in my own mind, when I hear a white reggae group (the
|> same also holds for white rappers), I sometimes feel like they're going to 
|> have to prove themselves to me more than if they were black.  And when I hear 
|> rap/reggae I don't like, by white artists, it often seems to me that some
|> quality of "whiteness" about it is what I don't like...whereas when the artist
|> is black, I usually have other reasons (Most dancehall stuff doesn't thrill,
|> for instance).
|> 

	I agree here, and haven't really found any group that has "proved"
themselves.

						mike
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From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Subject: Re: faq
Organization: NRaD
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:43:52 GMT

	In response to queries about an FAQ, I'm intending on including it in the
"reggae archives", which will also include lyrics, a patois dictionary, gif's,
and anything else we come up with. Soon come a posting regarding the archives. In
this light, can anyone mail me the articles on dub? I was intending on making it
the first entry in the FAQ, but lost the articles.

								mike
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