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Subject: Re: SCLA Goes Broke
From: jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 17:39:01 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:

> Just a little side note from the ESPN-SCA controversy.
> 
> SportsChannel-Los Angeles officially folded yesterday.  What an embarassment.
> 
> 
> 
> *****************************************************************************
> *  Mike Burger                    *  We lose a little on every sale, but we  
> *  mmb@lamar.colostate.edu        *  make a profit on volume.                
> *  University of Michigan - 1990  *  --Detroit area car dealership commercial
> *****************************************************************************
> 
> 

My favorite recollection of SCA was the dogshows they'd show in primetime
(SCA's comment was "but they are IMPORTANT dog shows")

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Subject: Re: Calder: Lindros 
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:36:52 MST
 <1992Oct30.131525.2852@mtroyal.ab.ca> <1992Nov4.132519.1016@mala.bc.ca>
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Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov4.132519.1016@mala.bc.ca>, ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:
> This is what I base that argument on : It was Lindros who decided not to play
> in " his " rookie year, he was not sent to the minors and thereby did not play
> the minimum # of games to qualify for his rookie status.
> 
> By this I feel he disqualified himself this year as a rookie year.
> 
> It is you in my view that is "RETARDED" you are blind if you do not think that
> he should be disqualified ( for the reasons already mentioned ).

Your view is shared by yourself and nobody else, it seems. I still think you're
nuts if you want to change the rules to screw somebody. If you change the
rules, it has to apply to everybody. That would exclude a lot of Europeans that
don't come over here to play the first year after being drafted. 

								Alan
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From: rwieler@ic17.umeeng (wieler)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Reply-To: rwieler@ic17.umeeng
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:29:23 GMT


Just to let you know, Ed Belfour was born, raised, and I think still spends his
summers in Carman, Manitoba, CANADA!!!!

RICH-  JUST THE FACTS PLEASE
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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:50:14 GMT
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In <1992Nov9.210308.21923@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca writes:

> In article <1992Nov9.110343.331@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
> >
> > Oh, and BTW, there won't be any "Dream Teams" in the Olympics, not even
> > if NHL decide to allow their players to compete. The reason being is that
> > IIHF won't allow it. IIHF's secretary-general, Jan Ake Edvinsson, told
> > a newspaper that IIHF won't allow NHL pros *as long as* NHL will not
> > allow their best players in the World Championships. And the chance of
> > NHL taking a break for both the Olympics and the WC is as close to zero
> > as it can get, right.
> >

Just great. Now there are knuckleheads trying to destroy the sport *BOTH*
within the NHL and the IIHF. Why does the International Ice Hockey Federation
have to flex its muscles over an insignifant issue like this?! As if it
matters if the NHL release their players for "their" international event
(the Olympics) or "our" tournament(the world championships). The important 
thing is that there is a top-class international tournament where the game's 
best players are allowed to play for their country.
 
> The IIHF would have to change it rules I think to bar NHL players from
> the Olympics, because NHL players are currently eligible the way the
> rules are now...but the NHL isn't going to shut down for the Olympics...
> this is just the insane rantings of another incompetent NHL president.
> 
> The idea will hopefully be killed by the NHL owners by the new year.
> 
> What hockey needs is a proper World Cup...not a publicity stunt where
> the Russians are likely to humiliate the Canadian and American teams.

Gerald doesn't give in either. All I can say is that an "open" Olympic
tournament in France, Austria, Japan etc. would be far more valuable 
than merely beefing up the Canada Cup by letting Sweden, Finland or the
USA host the tournament every now and then. If we choose the former, the
non-hockey playing world (including the United States:-) will watch because
hockey is one of the Winter Games' main attractions. I bet more Americans 
had heard of Ray LeBlanc than Tom Barrasso after the last Olympics. 
On the other hand, if we settle for the Canada Cup, only fans in Canada and 
the top European countries will notice it at all. Perhaps in twenty years
time, when there are plenty of German, Swiss, French, Italian and Austrian
players in the NHL and a European pro division, a "real" World Cup that's not
part of the Olympics will make sense. Today it doesn't.  

 
> Gerald

MARCU$
From: gustav@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kevin Kaminski
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:23:56 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Since you were asking, Killer's back here in the AHL with the
Halifax Citadels.  He's been doing well,only getting into two
fights so far this year (that I've seen), But he's still a hell
of a long way from the big leagues.  I think he's got 6 or 7 
goals this year, and a bundle of assists.  He's up to the top 
three or four in scoring for the 
three or four in scoring for the C's.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:02:31 GMT

Tom Joyce <R602TJ06@VB.CC.CMU.EDU> wrote:
>Right. And what was the name of your team in the hockey draft last year?
>Well? Well? How about "Pens_R_Flukes". Not biased? Give me a break!
>YOU need to patch that.

That is absolutely hilarious! I have NEVER played in a pool. Ask whoever runs
it. You're probably referring to the Usenet draft, so ask Andrew Scott. That
is really hilarious. Nice try.

Tom
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Tampa takes a bite out of the "Big Apple" (i.e. Rangers)
Keywords: biased
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.040246.24326@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>
>P.P.S. Who woke up those Vulcan Canadiens? and why do they always play 4 or 5
>more games than Boston at the beginning of every year?

Savard asks for a front-loaded schedule as long as all the games are in
the East...(Montreal has yet to play a game out of the Eastern Time
Zone)...and to delay the Western road trips until later in the season.

Gerald
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From: kiszkaw@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:09:16 GMT

In article <BxKqB1.78J@Novell.COM>, dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.204825.26459@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>  
> kshafer@csf50.Your.Domain.Here (Keith Shafer) writes:
> 
>>                Actually, San Diego is INDEPENDANT and playing quite
>                  well with a record of 12 wins, 0 losses and 
>>                1 overtime loss (no such thing as a tie in the IHL)
> 
> 
> And thank goodness for that!! Why doesn't the NHL do that--play  
> sudden-death OT and then a shootout (or 2 or 3 or...) if still tied after  
> OT? Did they ever do something like that (I can't remember)? It makes it  
> *much* more exciting (especially the shootouts!), and you (not to mention  
> the players!) don't feel gipped by a tie score.

	A while back, I read in the paper that a GM for one of the NHL teams 
(Sorry, forget who.) suggested that.  It was pretty much blasted by all the
other GMs.  If you think about it, it really isn't a good idea at all.
	As an example, take last Saturday's game between Boston and NYR: the
entire game was hard fought, with noone seeming to get a clear advantage on the
other.  Boston rallies toward the end and earns two goals.  The game ends in a
tie.  Why should 60 minutes of hard-played hockey be decided in ten seconds?
	Another example:  Suppose (Just suppose! :) that Ottawa manages to hold
the Pens to a tie.  Who're ya gonna pit against Lemieux?!  It just wouldn't be
fair.  If Ottawa played good enough for a point, they deserve a point.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Bill Kiszka
	kiszkaw@woods.ulowell.edu
	Go B's!
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From: chrisl@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Chris Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re:Pro Line Lottery
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:12:42 GMT
Organization: University of B.C.
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In article <1992Nov6.030309.26737@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
|> 
|> It's a great lottery for everyone, except those poor misguided sould who
|> bet the rent money on San Jose beating Montreal just 'cuz the odds are good.
|> 

I don't know, how much money would you have won if you picked the Senators over
Montreal on opening night?  (Sorry, but I believe a little humility for Hab fans is
a good thing :)

|> The average sports fan has a great time, hoping their knowledge will them
|> a couple of buck, and maybe the odd HUGE upset will get them a thousand
|> bucks or so.
|> 

If ties are used, like they are in BC, I'd like for someone to explain to me how
hockey knowledge helps. Ties also give the biggest odds, but how can you pick 
them with any regularity? 

|> The government loves it cuz they get extra revenue to give to hospitals and
|> other good causes.

Oh, great, let us give the government more money. comments on this ---> some politics group!!
 
|> The sports themselves should love it cuz it creates more interest.

Not from what I understand. If you notice, the lottery companies only use
the city, not team names. The NHL is against it, I believe are trying to stop
it through the courts and I don't blame them. Gambling and sports don't mix.
What is to prevent a Pete Rose type of incident, remember too, conflict
of interest is not only doing the evil deed. And finally, the people I know
who bet on games, aren't interested in hockey, they just want the scores
to turn out right.

|> That's my opinion, anyway.  Just don't get carried away; your chances aren't
|> as good as they seem (believe me; I know!!!!  :-(   )
|> 
|> -Dave

IMHO, don't waste your money, perhaps save it, and buy a ticket for
a game instead. (cause if it is like here, grad students can't afford to
eat and go to more than one NHL game a year :(

Chris
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Tommy Soderstrom (was Re: U.S. "Dream Team")
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:18:28 GMT

f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
>
>BTW, has Tommy S|derstr|m recovered from his heart surgery? 
>

 Yes, as of now Tommy is back out on the ice practicing. Tommy underwent
 his third surgery in Washington DC about a week or two ago. This time
 the surgery only took ~4 hours instead of the 10-12 hour surgeries that
 was made in Philadelphia. Tests that has been done after the surgery
 indicated that it was a success.

 Tommy is now practicing again after a 5-6 weeks long break and will resume
 playing again in the Flyers' farm team, the Hershey Bears.

>
>Janne Kivela"
>
>      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
>                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta

Staffan
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From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:42:20 GMT
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Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <002111m.6.721083766@ace.acadiau.ca>, 002111m@ace.acadiau.ca (SCOTT BORDEN MACDONALD) writes:
> The trade rumours are pretty accurate, I think that Dvae King has sort of 
> made Vernon, the unofficial third string keeper, and the Flames have not 

And on what do you base this absurdity? Vernon is definitely the number one
man in Calgary and will remain so until he is traded. I have seen many 
interviews with Dave King lately in which he has repeatedly said that Vernon
is the #1 man. The only reason that Reese has played more than Vernon this year
is that Vernon suffered a cut to his forehead in practice two weeks ago and
only recently has returned after recovering from the cut and adjusting to the
new face mask he is wearing as a result.

> least while his market value is still favorable. I have heard the rumours 
> out of Calgary, (I'm from there so I have connections) and the latest scoop 

I'm IN Calgary!

							Alan
From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: True fans
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:28:08 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In article <1992Nov5.184940.10886@mprgate.mpr.ca> harrison@mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison) writes:
>
>You know, I've got nothing against you. I don't know you. But ever since
>you've started posting, you've come across as somewhat arrogant. It's
>like you're trying to prove to everybody that you know everything about
>hockey and are the ultimate Penguins fan. That in itself is not all bad, but
>don't ever tell anyone else that you are a better fan than them. 
>
Now don't forget, -Rob is our net police and big brother, the Oral Roberts
of the net. I've equated his name with the 'next' key.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:46:32 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: -Rob = 'Next' key

Here's another one to enlighten your day - make that 2,985 unread messages.
And hey, if you don't like them, don't read them.  It's your computer - you
can do anything you want with it.
-Rob
From: palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Randall Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stephane Richer
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:38:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:


>Someone said last week that Richer was supposed to be traded to Quebec
>for Cavallini and other player(s).  

>Does anyone have any inside info on this?

	The Stephane Richer you are thinking of is the one playing for New
Jersey, right?  Well, there is a different Stephane Richer who was involved
in this trade.  I don't know who he is or where he plays though.

RAP
From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:56:37 GMT
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Lori Iannamico writes:
 |
 | In article <92309.130943RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 |
 | >   Some fan you are, you like other people who mock your fav. team's nickname.
 | >That's not much of a fan to me.  If you were a fan, you would support THE PENS
 | >and not the Wrens.  There's a definition of what a fan really is.  My roommate
 | >calls himself a Penguins fan, yet he couldn't tell you who they played 2 games
 | >ago or name at least five players on the team!
 | >                                                         -Rob
 |
 | Rob, will you get a grip?  Sherri was a Pens' fan long before it was the 
 | fashionable thing to be.  The same goes for Anna, Tom Sullivan, Rick, me.
 | And trust me, there have been times we've called the Pens far worse things than
 | "Wrens" or "Waddlers".  (In my case, such name calling has taking place as 
 | recently as Oct. 30.)  And this doesn't make us any less supportive of the 
 | team.  
 |
 | My advice to you is this:  If you continue to read this board, either develop a 
 | sense of humor or some thick skin.  Because you ain't seen nothing yet.  Just
 | wait until it's time for the annual r.s.h. playoff free-for-all.  Talk about the
 | gloves coming off...
 |
 | Lori

Rob,

Most of my friends have been fans of the  THE PENGUINS for at least 15 years.
(Oh, by the way, why are you calling them THE PENS? What do you mean by that?!?!?!)
Often times we refer to them as the pigeons.  As in "What time do the pigeons
play tonight?"  It's all in fun.

Also...

When Coffey was on the team, I don't think people in the stands were trying
to say that he was a cross-dresser.  ("Hit 'em with your purse Coffey!")
And I doubt that people are really commenting on Jim Paek's post-game activities
when they call him Fudge.  They're just trying to be funny.

And what kind of fan is Lange when he continually comes up with nicknames 
for the players?

Kevin

p.s.  Remember that sometimes nicknames are terms of endearment.

p.p.s.  I enjoy some of the comments from the crowd.  One guy at the
	Islander's game during the intermission with a pee-wee
	hockey demonstration screamed that he wanted to "LET 'EM FIGHT!"
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Pro Line Lottery
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:35:54 GMT

In article <1de92aINNdlb@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> chrisl@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Chris Lynch) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.030309.26737@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>|> 
>|> It's a great lottery for everyone, except those poor misguided sould who
>|> bet the rent money on San Jose beating Montreal just 'cuz the odds are good
>|> 
>
>I don't know, how much money would you have won if you picked the Senators over
>Montreal on opening night?  (Sorry, but I believe a little humility for Hab fans is
>a good thing :)


What makes you think I'm a Habs fan?   :-)

>
>|> The average sports fan has a great time, hoping their knowledge will them
>|> a couple of buck, and maybe the odd HUGE upset will get them a thousand
>|> bucks or so.
>|> 
>
>If ties are used, like they are in BC, I'd like for someone to explain to me how
>hockey knowledge helps. Ties also give the biggest odds, but how can you pick 
>them with any regularity? 


If you pick the right 6 ties this week, and you wager 100 bucks, you will win
4 million dollars.  The odds of 6 NHL ties is better than the odds of 
picking the right 6 numbers in the 6/49, I would think.


>
>|> The government loves it cuz they get extra revenue to give to hospitals and
>|> other good causes.
>
>Oh, great, let us give the government more money. comments on this ---> some politics group!!


Lotteries are 'voluntary taxes'.  If you want to keep your money from the
government, then DON'T PLAY!!!


> 
>|> The sports themselves should love it cuz it creates more interest.
>
>Not from what I understand. If you notice, the lottery companies only use
>the city, not team names. The NHL is against it, I believe are trying to stop
>it through the courts and I don't blame them. Gambling and sports don't mix.
>What is to prevent a Pete Rose type of incident, remember too, conflict
>of interest is not only doing the evil deed. And finally, the people I know
>who bet on games, aren't interested in hockey, they just want the scores
>to turn out right.


Yeah, but they WILL watch the game if it's on TV and they have money on it,
won't they?  That will increase interest in the sports.  
If some of the proceeds go to the NHL, I can't see them complaining.


>
>|> That's my opinion, anyway.  Just don't get carried away; your chances aren't
>|> as good as they seem (believe me; I know!!!!  :-(   )
>|> 
>|> -Dave
>
>IMHO, don't waste your money, perhaps save it, and buy a ticket for
>a game instead. (cause if it is like here, grad students can't afford to
>eat and go to more than one NHL game a year :(
>
>Chris


--Dave


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From: gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Ice-time for Yzerman
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:51:57 GMT

Question for Detroit contact specificly or anyone that wishes to respond that
have reliable information.  Ice-time for Yzerman, has it decreased in the
past few years sense the addition of Fedorov and Carson?  One of my friends
insists that his ice time is what it used to be, I disagree.
I know that ice-time is a highly variable thing to watch for players but it is
interesting to compare ice-time among players.  I believe that this can be a
very reliable statistic as to a players performance on the ice.

Thanks in advance.

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Rangers interest in Dave Manson continues
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:12:33 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Nov9.170806.23227@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>The NYT SportsSunday article on the Rangers-Bruins game noted that
>Rangers GM Neil Smith has been out of town to watch the Oilers' last
>couple of games to check out Dave Manson and maybe swing a deal (this
>is indirectly verified by my youngest sister's sighting of him at a
>downtown Keg'N'Cleaver in Winnipeg on Thursday night, but what his
>real business was -- who knows?).  With Dave Archibald now gone to
>Ottawa, that's one less chit for Smith to dangle at Glen Sather,
>unfortunately ...

Montreal papers have Lowe,Murphy and Manson going to the Rangers for
James Patrick,Joe Cirella,Alexei Kovalev and Doug Weight. Another
possibility mentioned was Montreal's Sean Hill for Lowe in one-for-one
deal. Rumors out of St.Louis have the Blues going for Murphy full force.
The Rangers make no secret about their love for Manson and would pay dearly
to land him.

At this point,Sather holds all the cards.....

-PPV Mark
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