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From: markt@harlqn.co.uk (Mark Tillotson)
Subject: Re: Ozric Tentacles
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
	<1993Jan15.172804.11321@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan16.071859.10098@timesink.chi.il.us>
	<1jkhieINNom7@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:40:23 GMT

bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:

> How much of the material from the 6 tapes shows up on Afterswish ?
> 
> Bob

Well, Afterswish has about 30 tracks, and they're all from the tapes,
which makes it about 1/3 of the material at a guess

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
> yes, those are the obvious influences. I also like the middle eastern feel
> that they get into sometimes, which I don't see as really coming from the
> prog rock bands you mention, though Gong perhaps gets that direction a 
> little in an occasional solo. 
listen to Hawkwind tracks like `Levitation' and `Hashish' as well...


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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: holdsworth, bruford
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:50:49 EST

     I'd agree with the others who have mentioned that Bruford wasn't the 
one who made Holdsworth play note-for-note replications of his originial 
solos in UK.  In his book, "When In Doubt, Roll," Bruford states that he 
and Holdsworth left U.K. because (to put it more bluntly than he does) 
Jobson and Wetton saw crowd-pleasing as top priority rather than 
creativity.  And like the others have said, almost every band Bruford has 
been in has involved improvisation.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody O'halloran u)
Subject: Re: ELP
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:26:39 GMT

>how the hell do you get backstage. I
>have never been able to do this, and would be very thankful to know how one
>goes about doing this!  Please, please, please give me any helpful advice
>for meeting these guys!
>   Thank you in advance!
>
>o     * Earls                                                             
> o                                                               *     *  
>COMFORT                             Jason Finestone                *       
>          o      *  STATION|\                           Yale University    

They only give backstage passes to promoters/record companies/big
businesses/

So what you do is wait by the exit for one of these people to leave.
Chances are these people are there mainly for a freebe concert and are not
big followers of the band.  Theres a good chance that someone won't care
about the "sentimental value" of a backstage pass and they'll be happy to give
their pass to you.
All you have to do is figure up a good reason why it took so long for you to
go backstage.

                                         Good Luck
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcleman@zso.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Question about Jobson
Reply-To: mcleman@zso.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:22:43 GMT


--
Don't forget the time Jobson was with Roxy Music. ("Both Ends burning" era.)
I think he made a great contribution to Roxy.

If i remember right, J.W. said that's where they got together to talk about U.K.
(Which I am listening to at this moment... By The light of day.... Great to 
 listen too while in front of the computer and looking out at the rain..)
J.W. was playing bass in Roxy at the time (right after Uriah Heap).



Jeff

BTW - Theme of Secrets is a superb recording. Love to listen to it in front
of the fire whilst sipping a fine Beaucastel.


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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Steve Hacket - Unauthorised Bio
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:51:25 GMT

Kelly Johnson (kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: Does anyone know anything about a Steve Hacket album I saw in the
: store the other day called "Unauthorised Biography".  

This is a re-hash album of his "greatest hits" and stuff. It's an
official album. Liner notes by the man himself.

You'd be better off getting the albums themselves, but it might be a
good introduction to Hackett.

Scott
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: A question about grunge
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:46:48 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I was thinking about this question some more, and although 'grunge'
has a lot in common with some Pink Floyd and King Crimson, it's 
main roots are probably in punk.

Now, if you ask most fans of grunge or punk if they consider it
progressive (in the sense that Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Crimson, etc. are
progressive) they'll most likely look at you funny.  Or worse, they'll
hit or puke on you :).

So, even though grunge can be called progressive, perhaps it better
not be!   Would Nirvana ever have made millions if they had the
progressive rock label?  Probably not.  ;)

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Tape Swaps - Early Pink Floyd
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:33:02 GMT

jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau) writes:
} My tape deck can record two tapes at once, so I now have a spare set of
} these tapes.  I'm interested in trading them for tapes of something
} I don't have.  I have most mainstream art rock (progressive rock), but
} I'm sure I'm missing a lot of good stuff.

making tapes off of readily available albums for anyone besides 
yourself is nothing less than piracy.

there is no justification for this.

-- 
   Alexander Feygin           "Tell me something I don't know"
  a-feygin@uiuc.edu                      --Ministry

The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not CCSO
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Djam Karet as a 3 piece
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:23:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


i heard from mclatchey that mike henderson has left Djam
Karet. anyone else heard this, or know if it is true?

----

Yes, it is.  If you don't believe Mike McLatchey (and you shouldn't since
he makes up at least half of those supposedly "obscure" bands he raves
about :-) Hi Mike!) it is also reported in I/E.

This is at least part of the reason they're working w/Watkins, Roach, etc.

-Mike
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Soft Machine
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:31:07 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <3k0ZXB3w165w@bluemoon.use.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>
>     Since there's been talk about Soft Machine recently, I'd like to 
>voice a question about them that I've had for some time.
>     I have Soft Machine's second and third albums.  I like the second 
>album a lot, but the third I find rather dull aside from "Moon In June." 
>Now, I love a lot of the other Canterbury-fusion groups (Hatfield and the 
>North, Moerlen's Gong, and so on), so are the later Soft Machine albums 
>distinctly different or better than the third?  Any reply would be much 
>appreciated.

I prefer the later stuff, Five, Seven, Softs, Alive and well.

Sort of like jazz-rock, but without the jazz and without the rock:-)

Perhaps a little like the later Gong stuff (Shamal onwards). Then again,
perhaps not.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
From: A.G.Catchpole@bradford.ac.uk (Adrian Catchpole)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Steve Hacket - Unauthorised Bio
Date: 24 Jan 93 13:16:34 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92079460@muser
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Can I add that if you have already got the original albums, this compilation
has two previously unreleased tracks, so if you see it fairly cheaply (I
paid the equivalent of $14) then it might be worth getting.

Also does anyone know anything more about this new Hackett album?
Will it be released in the early/later part of this year?
Will it be released in Europe/UK?     -  Thanks

-- 
-- Ade
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Who should I listen to?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:12:53 GMT

agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes:
>	Re: Massacre...  how similar is the Last Exit LP?  I see it as a
>cut out here and there.

Last Exit actually has about 4 releases out, and the emphasis on the one
I've heard is much more to the NY downtown improv with squonk than Massacre's
assault with drums bass and guitar. Last Exit is a lot more improv and
has some pretty outrageous horn work. 

Massacre on the other hand sounds heavily improvised, with Frith's guitars
and Laswell's bass going all over the place, it's hard to imagine that
they could perform the material twice the same way. But I've heard two 
different live concert tapes of them and they are amazingly on target to
the point where I'm stunned that what I thought was improvised was actually
something they could do again with relative precision. 

Um, Dave, it was a good call to mention Massacre given the original poster's
asking for dissonant music, but I feel that Massacre should come with a 
warning here, like the Univers Zero... Massacre is probably unlike anything
you've heard before, unless you've followed Fred Frith, John Zorn and the
NY Downtown improv scene a bit. It's noisy grating composed-improvisational
assaulting music with a heavy bass - great stuff! 

  - Malcolm  
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mandel@dms.agames.com (Glenn Mandelkern)
Subject: Re: ELP
Organization: Atari Games Corp.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:03:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.013938.22895@netcom.com> mark@netcom.com (Mark Jeghers) writes:
>fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone) writes:
>
>>In article <C1Gwt8.9xs@mach1.wlu.ca>, oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody
>>O'halloran u) wrote:
>>> 
>>> I SAW ELP AT MASSEY AND THEY WERE GREAT!!!
>>> 
>>> I ALSO MANAGED TO GET BACK STAGE AND MEET GREG LAKE AND KEITH EMERSON!
>>> (I JUST MISSED SEEING PALMER-HE WENT TO THE BUS WHEN I ENTERED)
>
>>   I'm going to see them next week here in New Haven, and I was wondering:
>
>Does someone have tour info??  Are they coming thru the Bay Area again?
>
>

When seeing ELP 9/2/92 at the Concord Pavilion, a flyer was passed out
that had a number to call for the ELP News Subscription Service.  This 
is based in San Francisco.  I will look around for my copy, but meanwhile,
its phone number was either a toll-free 1-800 number or a 415 one for 
SF.  You may want to call 1-800-555-1212 or 1-415-555-1212.  The subscription
was $12 and other ELP material is sold here too.

Also, I do remember three important dates for California ELP fans.  ELP 
will be back in California (not in the Bay Area, though).  Keith, Greg and
Carl will visit the following cities:

	3/16/93			Fresno
	3/18/93, 3/19/93	Los Angeles 

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.info,rec.music.misc
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From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Jethro Tull mailing list... What Happened?
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:24:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: etan@tellabs.com
Cc: steiner

In article <1993Jan21.141657.3763@tellab5.tellabs.com> etan@tellabs.com (Nate Stelton) writes:

> I used to be on the JT mailing list, but I haven't seen anything for a long
> time.  I sent mail to JTull-request@uiuc.edu, but it bounced back.  Did it
> move or just die?  Does anybody know?

Hum, the JT list hasn't been on uiuc for a couple of years now.  I've
been the moderator since then.  To join again, send mail to
jtull-request@remus.rutgers.edu.

> Also, Michael Rawdon was writing an excellent Jethro Tull History
> and posting it in segments, but I only saved sporadic parts.  Does
> anybody know how one can get the complete history files?

This is available in the archives.   You can get it via anonymous-ftp
on remus in the directory JethroTull/Archives.

ds
-- 

Dave Steiner
arpa: Steiner@BakerSt.Rutgers.Edu or Steiner@Rutgers.Edu
uucp: ...{backbone site}!rutgers!bakerst.rutgers.edu!steiner
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ash@unislc.uucp (Ashok Sharma)
Subject: Info on Golden Earrings/Styx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:28:51 GMT

The other day I read on the net about the group Golden Earrings being similar
in style to Styx. If that is so, I would like to try this one. Can someone
give me more info. Have they released any accoustic album? 

Also, does anyone know if Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin has ever released a
solo accoustic album?

Thanks,
Ashok
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dart@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.hartlage)
Subject: Re: Midwestern Prog
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:52:11 GMT

The Illinois Entertainer, a free magazine covering the Illinois
music scene, usually has ads for Chicago area appearances by bands
billed as progressive.  I used to figure that they confused
progressive with alternative, but some ads do make a distinction
between progressive and alternative groups--a good sign.

This month's issue contains several listings of Animator, always
billed as a Rush tribute band.  (I'd be more interested in their
original material.)  Plus a "progressive rock" bill of The
Attitude, Crystal Dragon, and Widow Zabol. Then there's Swift
Kick, described as "progressive hard rock."  If Swift Kick is at
all progressive, they seriously need a name change.

I haven't actually seen any of these bands, though I am curious.

Dave Hartlage
From: cs163wel@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson...?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:18:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

If you liked King Crimson for their improvisational moments (like on
"We'll Let You Know","Providence", and most of Side II of _Three of
a Perfect Pair_), check out _I Sing the Body Electric_ by Weather
Report.  This is the darkest album I've ever heard from them and
also one of the most intense.  The menacing, Bartok-influenced opening 
melody of "The Unknown Soldier" may remind you of Crimson.

Paolo
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers)
Subject: Re: Where do I get these obscurities?! (was: If I like King Crimson..)
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:15:07 GMT

I'd like to thank everyone who posted and told me about those progressive
bands who go off in a Crimson-esque dissonant direction.

I've listened to Mahavishnu Orchestra as well as some of the others mentioned.
However, I am having extreme difficulty finding anything by the following:
 
    Massacre          (this Fred Frith guy must be wonderful)
    Happy the Man     (so far fifteen record employees have said "huh?")
    National Health   (ditto)
    Soft Machine      (there's nothin' behind Soft Cell in the bins)
    Lonely Universe   (not even listed in the record yellow pages)

I know.  Welcome to reality.  Progressive music is not really popular so we
have to look in dumpsters behind recordshops.  Or, am I going about it wrong?


Are there mail order catalogs that have any of these guys?  Can anyone
recommend some good sources?  

Does someone still make the King Crimson videos that I've been desparately
searching for as well?  

Am I doomed to consonant music for the rest of my life?!!



Help,

Michael Feathers      feathers@fiu.edu
From: rjc@soda.berkeley.edu (Russ Cucina)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Dr. Rampa, paralysis, and your cerebellum
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:02:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


I very much enjoyed the wise words of Dr. Rampa, but I would like to add
something to one of the statements made. It was mentioned that many people
experience an uncomfortable jerk throughout their body as they are falling
asleep, sometimes accompanied by a 'slam' feeling in the head. If I may
offer a temporal factoid, this is called a 'myoclonic jerk' and has a well
established neurophysiological explaination. As you are falling asleep, your
midbrain changes some of the ways it allows messages in and out of the
brain. One of these is to reduce the activity level of the cerebellum
(coordinator of muscle movement, that straited body at the posterior base of
your brain). As this is happening, the cerebellum sometimes experiences a
momentary blast of neuron activity (basically a fleeting seisure) that
causes most voluntary muscles to forcefully contract -- thus, the myoclonic
jerk.

Incidentally, when one dreams, your midbrain shuts out ALL muscular messages
from brain to body, resulting in the oft-mentioned 'sleep paralysis'. (It is
not a hormone). In perfectly normal people, this mechanism sometimes slips,
thus sleepwalking/talking etc. There is a disorder in which the area
responsible is dysfunctional, and people vigorously act out their dreams as
if they were real, often causing bodily harm to themselves or their sleeping
companion (if treatment is unsuccessful, they have to sleep in soft
restraints).

I have been very interested to read that the 'repercussions' felt by
OOBE'ers are an experience very similar to myoclonic jerks. However, you
can do an EEG and *see* it in the neurons. Does this, then, mean that it
is a purely mundane-physical phenomena, and has nothing to do with some
"astral body"? No one can really answer that, because modern neuroscience
has no answer for how consciousness emerges from the physical brain. Thus,
it could be that the experience of astral travel and the EEG-observable
brain phenomena are part of the same phenomena -- the separation of
consciousness from physical form. Who knows?


						rjc@soda.berkeley.edu




Disclaimer :: Given the state of security around here, not only are these
not the opinions of the organization from which I write, they might not even
be mine . . .
From: casey@sun.lclark.edu (Thomas Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Astral ettiquette
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:25:01 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


	I find this newsgroup one of the more interesting and intelligent
ones so far.  The possibilities of the InterNet never cease to amaze me.  
	But this is a very sensitive topic.  There are vast implications
tied to even the existence of astral space.  Such a concept shakes a person's
entire view of the purpose of life and its form.  It will inevitabely clash 
with many people's religious ideals.  These ideals are held very strongly, 
therefore this subject requires a lot more "imho"'s than most.
	Inflammatory "Wake up and smell the coffee" articles only induce 
people to think "fanatic" rather than "interesting idea".  The only reason 
why I mention this is because I am an astral traveler and truly believe that 
people could benefit from the idea and the practice, if nothing else as a 
wonderful way to relax and get to know oneself.    I hate it when it is 
presented in such a way that it seems like magic or freak-show material.
	In any event, imho, we should present the topic in the same way as
psychology or any other inductive science.  It's more likely to gain 
mainstream acceptence.  
	On a last note, don't feel obligated to buck the mainstream.  
Without another mind to relate to we are nothing.  There's nothing inherently
divisive or disunifying about astral travel!!!
-- 
Kevin T. Casey
aka Krish Cane
casey@lclark.edu
"Youth culture killed my dog, and I don't think it's fair..." -TMBG
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: OOBEs & dreams about dead people
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:23:41 GMT





Very interesting. I have succeeded in rolling technics a couple of times.
I think in astral plane you can have a contact with dead people or some
other spirits. Meeting with the dog is nice.
Olli Pajula