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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Oje, Seiters
Date: 13 Oct 1992 01:13:17 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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 carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)  writes:

|> Too play with statistics:...
|        I hate to play "devil's advocate" for this particular case, but:
>Forgot the smileys.

	I wasn't smiling, Carl.  I see RED when I see statistics ...

AT> Under present laws right-wing extremists arrested for violence aimed
AT> at foreigners are often immediately released by police on grounds that
AT> they are not expected to flee.

WU>        the question is, of course, are they treated any more lenient than
WU>        had they committed the offense against a native ?!?

>Don't think so, yet.

	you make that "yet" sound as if it was "njet"; let's be
	intellectually honest, please.

>But they don't have as much "law power" as a native, who knows the system.

	it is the prosecutor, not the victim who determines that (I kind
	of suspect you got off onto the wrong track, thinking of a comparison
	with how a foreign criminal is treated (where a greater fear of
	flight exists?!!  that wasn't my point; I was focusing on the question
	of the nationality of the victim)


WU>        Carl, you optimist!   :-))

> Well, despite my whinings in this newsgroup, I'm still optimist.
> Ever read Thomas Morus "Utopia"?

	nope, sorry.

AT> We have seen, what the rigid laws against Nazism in the former GDR created
WU>        pretty irrelevant analogy.

>Not. I meant, that punishment is not a way of education. Understanding
>the problem and working against it is a solution. Same goes for many
>things like children's education.

	ok, I didn't see that "spin" (and it isn't an obvious one, nor
	a very important one).  I agree with your theory there, but I must
	admit ignorance regarding the rigidity of anti-Nazi laws in the GDR.

	thanks for the explanation, Carl.
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From: csmro116@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Embassy address in US is needed!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:22:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Hello SCG,

To all of you at US; Would anybody be kind and send me the German Embassy's
address in the USA.

Thanks for your help.

Email please.

George


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From: cman044@chpc.utexas.edu (Eva Simmons)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Looking for Possible Research Opportunities in Germany
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:25:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Oct16.152534.25353
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC

Hallo,
   I'll be finishing my Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry
(specialization in Computational Neurobiology) from the
University of Texas at Austin in December '93.  Are
there any possible job opportunities for me in Germany?
I'd like to do research in bipolar syndrome (manic-
depression), but I'm open to other fields.  My research
has to do with Circuitry Studies of a Computational 
Model of the Primary Visual Cortex (Broadmann's Area 17).
If anybody out there comes up with anything, let me know.
		Auf Wiedersehn,
			Eva Simmons
(P.S. I did take 2 quarters of German as an undergraduate,
  but I've forgotten a good bit of it.  One of the main
  reasons I'm looking for a job in Germany is so I can
  FINALLY learn German completely.)
From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: VfB Stuttgart
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:41:39 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system
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Christian Kurrer (kurrer@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: In article <oiuds7w@Unify.Com> veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
: > Weiss jemand, wie die UEFA im Falle Stuttgart - Leeds entschieden hat?
: > 
: > -- Veit
: > 
: > 
: > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
: > Veit Irtenkauf    Technical Marketing Manager  |  email: veit@unify.Com
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: > 3901 Lennane Drive, Sacramento, CA 95834-1922  |    fax: (916) 928-6406
: 
: Da Leeds wohl zu viele auslaendische Spieler eingesetzt hat, wird deren  
: 4:1 Sieg als ein 3:0 gewertet. Da das Hinspiel 0:3 ausging, wird es in  
: einigen Tagen nun zu einem Entscheidungsspiel auf neutralen Boden kommen:  
: dieses wird in Barcelona stattfinden.
: 
: Christian Kurrer

Wenn ich die Diskussion in rec.sport.soccer richtig verstehe, ist es wohl eher
so, dass der VfB zuviele internationale Spieler eingesetzt hatte. Und das
Entscheidungsspiel findet am Freitag in Barcelona statt. Fuer weitere Infos
ueber Fussball empfehle ich "rec.sport.soccer" zu lesen ...
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From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Violence update 9.10.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:03:45 GMT

[Back on-line. I won't try to recap what happened last week. Let it
suffice to say that there was violence and desecrations of graves
throughout the week. The newspapers in Paderborn reported on other
incidents that were in the Berlin papers. See the paragraph on Konkret.]

The Bundestag has passed a resolution in which they condemn the
violence against foreigners. A few figures: 320,000 refugees have
entered Germany to date in 1992. There have been 10 foreigners killed
in acts of violence and 405 "Anschlaege" to date. The figures for
last year were 3 dead and 383 Anschlaege. The East/West distribution
of 1296 "Gewalttaten" for 1992 to date: 813 West and 483 East. [No idea
what the classifications Anschlaege and Gewalttaten mean exactly.]
80% of the offenders are under 20 years of age.

Berlin: The youth who killed the cigarette-selling Vietnamese has been
sentenced to 4 1/2 years in jail. The judge noted in his judgement that
the deed was not so much motivated be foreigner hate but by anger at his
own situation.

Mellenburg (Lower Saxony, near Hannover): Three men threw two fire bombs
at a refugee shelter. No one was hurt in the incident.

Karlsruhe: Two youth, aged 21 and 24, have been arrested in connection
with the defacing of graves. The article was accompanied by a picture of
the graveyard with white spraypainted slogans: "Rache fuer...", "Nie
wieder Juden", and "Jude verrecke" (especially intelligent, the person
buried here is in fact already dead).

I bought a "Konkret" magazine to read in the train, they have a lovely
picture on the cover of a man in soccer dress with the German national
team's emblem on, his hand streched out in the "Heil Hitler" greeting,
who has wet his pants in excitement. Joachim Bruhn contrasts this in 
an article with the reason many give for hating gypsies, that the gypsies
"just shit where they are standing". Konkret also has a column called
"Jeder ist uns der Naechste", which appears to be a regular column and is
number 9 in the series. A group called "Archiv fuer Sozialpolitik"
puts together a daily list of incidents. For the period 12.8-8.9 they
have 139 incidents. I will try and get the address of this archive
for persons interested in the documentation. I do not, however, have
time to make copies of the articles. Please contact Konkret at
"Gremliza Verlags GmbH, Postfach 30 61 39, 2000 Hamburg 36", Tel.
(040) 43 10 84 for obtaining copies of the October 1992 issue.
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From: becker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Anthony M. Becker)
Subject: Re: Small job of German->English translation.
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:04:25 GMT

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:

> smn@netcom.com (Subodh Nijsure) writes:

>> I need to get a technical document translated from German to English. This
>> document is about 40-50 pages long. This would perhaps be a ideal job for 
>> student over a weekend.  You would have to use your own computer (most 
>> probably). If anybody is interested please e-mail me at smn@netcom.com. 

>	a technical document of 40-50 PAGES a small job ?!?

>	sounds more like the first sentence explaining the "small pay"
>	to me ...

>	this is definitely NOT a small job easily done by the inexperienced
>	over a weekend... (in particular not without special technical
>	dictionaries, or deep personal knowledge of the vocabulary of
>	the, specialty in both English and German)

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I don't know about where you are, but a NON-TECHNICAL document of that
length would probably cost about $750 in my area of the country for
translation by a student (read "cheap" labor).  When you talk about
TECHNICAL documents, the cost would certainly go over $1000.

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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German online dictionary / spell checker
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:14:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: kramden.liqiang.718481684
Organization: New York University

mml@eng.umd.edu (Marios Leventopoulos) writes:


>Hi threre,

>Does anyone out there have an online german-german or english-german or german-english
>(anything !!) dictionary.  On line I mean usuable from a unix system, something like the 
>webster dictinary available for english-english

>Same question for a german spell checker...


>Please, if you know something, send me mail to mml@eng.umd.edu
>I'll sum up the replies and post on the net.

>thanks,
>-marios

Hi, Marios, have you gotten any replies and summed them up yet? I have been
looking for the same dict. Please email or post.

Thanx.

- Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mml@eng.umd.edu (Marios Leventopoulos)
Subject: Re: German online dictionary / spell checker
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 20:55:17 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: mml@hora.eng.umd.edu


---------------------------------------------------------------
The following sites have a very extended e-g disctionary

mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
public/english-german.dic

wc gives
   39913  121279  982181 english-german.dic

If you are using some kind of csh you may:
alias   dic     'fgrep "\!*" ~/english-german.dic'


For a list of german words to be used with ispell (unix spelling checker) try
the site:
ftp.th-darmstadt.de
        dirctory pub/dicts/german/german.ispel

you can use it by:
ispell -d /dev/null -p german.ispell


The site has more (and bigger) wordlists but I have not checked them. german.ispell is fine
for me.
wc gives:
 159609  159609 2053728 german.ispell

-marios


PS. BTW does anyone know of such dictionaries for french?
From: uswsp@mathcs.emory.edu (William S. Pittard {EUCC})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Ansbach BBS list
Keywords: BBS, list, Ansbach
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:08:46 GMT
Organization: Emory University


Hello,

I am seeking a list of BBS s for Ansbach, Germnay. Any BBS number 
(even one ) would be helpful. If this post is not appropriate for
this forum please excuse me. 


			Thanks,


Steve Pittard {EUCC}
Emory University, Atlanta, GA 
Internet: uswsp@mathcs.emory.edu   BITNET (non-domain): uswsp@emory
UUCP: { sun!sunatl, gatech }!emory!uswsp	
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.recht
From: dhey@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann)
Subject: Re: Willy Brandts Tod
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:36:11 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Heute (Freitag) konnte die Bevoelkerung an seinem im Schoeneberger Rathaus
aufgestellten Sarg vorbeidefilieren. Morgen findet von 11:00 bis 12:30 MEZ
ein Staatsakt mit 1500 Gaesten aus dem In- und Ausland im Reichstags-
gebaeude statt (wird von der Deutschen Welle live uebertragen). Danach
wird Brandt im engen Familienkreis auf dem Waldfriedhof (?) beigesetzt.

Dirk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Violence update 12.10.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:57:50 GMT

I spoke with the editor at Konkret about the violence list they
publish. They will be willing to provide photocopies of all the
past violence lists to interested parties. Please contact the
magazine directly to arrange to get this information. 

Where to start?

Nazi flyers impounded in Spandau and Hohenschoenhausen (both Berlin).

Potsdam (Brandenburg) 6 skins arrested after beating patrons at a
billiard cafe with baseball bats. 5 persons were hurt, 2 critically.
The Skins are supposed to be responsible for a fight in Paretz near Ketzin,
as well.

Goldberg (Mecklenburg-Vorpommern) 500 persons demonstrate against plans
to put a refugee shelter in this town.

Remplin (M-V) Five youth threw two fire bombs at a shelter, only damage to
the building, not to persons.

Hinrichsfelde and Friedberg (M-V) Windows at refugee shelters smashed.

Grossraeschen (Brandenburg) A shelter was set on fire, was extinguished
by the fire watch.

Liebertwollchitz (Sachsen, near Leipzig) Stones thrown at refugee shelter

Meissen : someone fired shots from an air gun at a refugee shelter.

Frankfurt/Main (Hesse): Police arrested and mishandled a Marroco man.
Only when he convinced police that he was indeed married to a German
woman and that he had a job at the post office was he taken to a
hospital. The police defended their treatment of the innocent man with
the comment "80% of all drug dealers come from North Africa."

Bad Cannstadt: Defacing of Jewish cemetary.

And on the positive side: 3500 demonstrate in Konstanz against the
state conference of the Republikaner, who are now campaigning as the
Anti-Maastricht party (along with bits of Anti-foreigner and other
stuff.)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: lbs@tkmhp4.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski)
Subject: Re: Violence update 30.09.92 (re: Heiner Biesel)
Reply-To: lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:39:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.183355.13005@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
>lbs@tkmhp4.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct8.174355.28336@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
>>>so, given its utilization of the fruits of Peenemuende. Protests against
>>>this celebration should arise in Germany, if at all. Righteous
>>>indignation elsewhere, no matter how well founded, will be ignored, if
>>>not resented by the Germans.
>
>> It is interesting to know that.
>> It is disgusting to see here people who try to apply the logic 
>>of revenge to the question of the V2 celebration. 
>
>Huh?
>
>>The triumph of the German technology... Would you have the courage
>>to stand in front of the relatives of the slaves who lost their lives
>>in Peenemuende? What would you tell them? "...Look, they
>>contributed to our adventure in space..."
>
>Would you have the courage to stand in front of the relatives of the
>victims of [you pick it] and tell them "...Look, their suffering
>contributed to [whatever]..."? Hardly, but that's the problem with
>rhetorical points.
>
>I am the beneficiary of that technology, as are you. I, and my

 Neither my family nor I are beneficiaries of the action 
of the Nazi government and the German Army in WW2. 
Are you saying that if not for the war and the German scientists,
we would never be able to send a rocket to space? 
And what was the intention of the V2 development? To share
the secrets of the rocket technology with scientists elsewhere?
To contribute to the global peace and well-being of people
in other countries?

 We heard about other ingenuous German scientists, like Dr. Mengele.

 Thank God Nazis lost the war.

>government, have little moral standing to pr. I only wounded
you a little so let's focus on thisotest those who wish to
>commemorate the achievement, with all its costs. I may not agree with them,
>I may see the costs and benefits very differently, but I am not going
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 I noticed that. What were the costs and benefits of WW2? 
 
>to petition my government to issue public condemnations on something like
>this, because I think it would be hypocritical to do so. If the Germans

 You already gave us a proof of hypocrisy.

>want to do so it is an entirely different matter.
>       H. Biesel

 Lech Borkowski
lbs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: A-4/V-2 Jahrestag
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:21:45 GMT

ros@rossi.han.de (Alexander Rossner) writes:
: Nein - genau das ist die Debatte. Terrorangriffe auf Koeln, Hamburg,
: Dresden,... haben mit Kriegsfuehrung nichts zu tun, sondern sind Massenmord.
: Genauso wie der Abwurf der Atombombe oder amerikanischen Angriffe auf 
: vietnamesische Staedte vor 20 Jahren.
  ... im Unterschied zu den Zerstoerungen von Amsterdam, Rotterdam, fast
allen norwegischen Staedten, Coventry, London; Guernica, Oradour, Lidice,
Lezaky; Vertreibung der tschechischen Bevoelkerung aus Sudetenland 1938-39
(ja, die hat auch stattgefunden, obwohl man heute nur ueber die ABschiebung
der Deutschen nach 1945 wissen will) u.v.a.m. - das war die notwendige
Beschaffung des Lebensraumes und im Interesse des Herrenvolkes.
  Oder nicht?
  Jede Einseitigkeit ist falsch, ob man es glauben will oder nicht.

  Tsja, fuer Flames ln -s /dev/null /dev/tom


								Tom
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From: meyer@risc4.physik.fu-berlin.de (Sebastian Meyer)
Subject: Re: Willy Brandts Tod
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:51:40 GMT

lkv@mania.hotb.sub.org (Lutz Vieweg) writes:

>In article <ldbg9rINN9o4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, Eric Silber writes:

>>  Ein guter Mensch ist hingegangen.

>Soso, jener Herbert Frahm, der sich spaeter aus offensichtlichen Gruenden
>spaeter in "Willy Brandt" umnannte, und der in seinem Werk
>"Verbrecher und andere Deutsche" seine Landsleute uebel verunglimpfte,
>den nennst Du einen "guten Menschen".

>Ich jedenfalls kann nur betrauern, das der Mann nicht schon viel
>frueher ins Gras gebissen hat.

>cu, Lutz Vieweg

Das solltest du wohl besser nach de.talk.jokes posten und dich
desweiteren mal ein bisschen in der europ"aischen Geschichte seit 1933
kundig machen!!!

hoping, not to cu,
          sebastian
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From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
Subject: Re: translation, please . . .
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:18:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.155609.10530@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00lpjohnson@bsu-ucs.uucp write
s:
>In article <1992Oct12.233129.7887@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de
>(Thomas Kettenring) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Oct12.200218.13378@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George) writes:
>
>>>Bitte, lassen Sie sich durch den Kopf gehen, was ich ueber den
>>>versuchten Doppelselbstmord sagte.
>>
>> Please think over what I said concerning the attempted double suicide.
>>
>> --
>> thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
>
>What was the problem?  The dictionary gives such meanings as:
>'sich etwas u"berlegen' or
>'u"ber etwas nachdenken'
>exactly as Thomas translated it.
>
>Lathrop Johnson
>Prof. of German
>Ball State Univ.


*The problem* was that a noted translator named Whittaker Chambers
translated it as "to forget." When Chambers' mental state began to be probed
in the 1950's by Dr. Zeligs, *everything* Chambers wrote become of keen
interest. Dr. Zeligs claimed that there existed patterns of "mistakes" in 
Chambers' translations which revealed subconscious/unconscious motivations.
Some of the "mistakes" seemed to me to be possibly legitimate differences of
interpretation, and this was one which I wanted to have experts translate.

For a more full discussion, see Dr. Meyer Zeligs, "Friendship and Fratricide",
1967, esp. pp. 110ff.

Robert George
(speaking only for myself)

"The very essence of individual freedom is equal justice under a rule of
law, a law to which every man shall be subject and which no executive
can modify."
    Senator Robert Taft , March 11, 1944
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