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From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed)
Subject: Re: What to read at sci
Organization: naghAl khooneh
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:37:02 GMT

In article <jjjm!sr.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com 
(Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

              [HooshyAr's reply to Hoessin B.R. deleted]

>dar rah-e eshghat ey sanam, shiftey-e balA manam
>                          chand moghAyerat koni, bA ghamat AshenA manam
>pardeh beroy basteh-ee, zolf beham shekasteh-ee
>                          az hameh khalgh rasteh-ee, az hamegAn jodA manam
>shir to-ee, shekar to-ee, shAkheh to-ee, samar to-ee
>                          shams to-ee, ghamar to-ee, zarreh manam, habA manam
>nakhl to-ee, rotab to-ee, lo'bat-e noosh-e lab to-ee
>                          khAjey-e bA-adab to-ee, bandey-e bi-adab manam
>ka'beh to-ee, sanam to-ee, deyr to-ee, haram to-ee
>                          delbar-e mohtaram to-ee, Ashegh-e binavA manam
>shAhed-e shookh-e delbarA, goft besooy-e man biyA
>                          rasteh ze kebr-o az riyA, mazhar-e kebriyA manam
>tAhereh khAk-e pAy-e to, mast-e mey-e laghAy-e to
>                          montazer-e atAy-e to, mo'taref-e khatA manam

HooshyAr jAn,

bah bah, finally somebody in the middle of the "jedAl bar sareh deen" posted 
something refreshing and made amoo's day. As much as amoo is for freedom of 
opinions/discussions on SCI he was actually getting a bit bored by the 
uniformity of the subject. The "N" key solution doesn't always solve the 
problem either because curiosity(polite way of saying "foozooli") is an 
undeniable factor. Thanks to people like you, the heavenly BahrAm, and a 
couple others there is still something else to read and think about. 
Amoo's humble suggestion to others would be not to stop the discussions on 
the subject, rather to add some "chAshni" to their works for the sake of 
marketing. after all, Akheh amoo ham dastesh too kAreh, I mean he has been 
around long enough to know what sells and what doesn't. Even the best ideas 
and strongest arguments won't achieve the desired acceptance by others if 
they are not presented in a pleasant way. I think that's a crucial 
difference right there; a serious message doesn't have to be delivered dry.
Speaking of dryness, amoo's "galoo" needs some irrigation and samAvar is 
"gholl-o gholl"ing so the logical conclusion would be for amoo to "raf'eh 
zahmat" and get to the real business while re-reading the poem you posted.


adab-parvar bAsheed,


amoo


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXIX
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:21:23 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			78

	What ! out of senseless Nothing to provoke
	A conscious Something to resent the yoke
	Of unpermitted Pleasure, under pain
	Of Everlasting Penalties, if broke!

			79

	What ! from his helpless Creature be repaid
	Pure Gold for what he lent him dross-allay'd---
	Sure for a Debt he never did contact,
	And cannot answer---Oh the sorry trade!

			80

	Oh Thou, who didst with pitfall and with gin
	Beset the Road I was to wander in,
	Thou wilt not with Predestined Evil round
	Enmesh, and then impute my Fall to Sin!

			81

	Oh Thou, who Man of baser Earth didst make,
	And ev'n with Paradise devise the Snake:
	For all the Sin wherewith the Face of Man
	Is blacken'd ---Man's forgiveness give---and take!


			*****




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Subject: Re: More Support and Recognition for the Legitimate Resistance
Reply-To: ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:37:30 GMT



Ali Soltani writes:

>
>I can see all the internal and external supporters of Akhound Rafsanjani
>are really burning and start to regurgitate the "the very well respected!!"
>Keyhan Havaai.  Besuzid.  ...
>

I am not talking on behalf of everyone.  Personally,  I believe that we have to
learn from the past and our experiences.  I remember before the revolution in
(1979) people used to say "bAlAtar as siAhi rangi niest!".  They believed that
we cann't probably get a new system of government which would be worse than
that of the Shah.  In other words,  it can only get better, no matter what.

Our experience shows that IT SURE CAN GET WORSE.  We now have a runaway
inflation in Iran,  the new generation having been executed, killed in the war
or handicapped due to it, ... .

From what I have learned,  "bAlAtar as siAhi rangi HAST!".  With the history
behind the Mojahedin,  and their support of/by Saddam,  they are not suited
to control Iran.  Mr. Rajavi's agenda is to get even with regime.  I don't 
believe that it will go beyond the revenge for being forced out of Iran after
being part of this goverment while it was using chemical weapons on the
Kurds.  I clearly remember Mojahedins' strong and complete support of the new
government when Kurds were being killed.

Let's don't have a short memory.  I am not interested in replacing
something bad
with something worse (or even the same).  At least we know what the current 
government is.

 
Regards;
Ramin Moshiri

    
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From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: SOCCER TOURNAMENT IN SAN DIEGO
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 09:55:56 GMT
Organization: football
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Jameh Doosti in San Diego

In article <1992Jul29.215555.26935@telesoft.com> mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone) writes:
>As you might already know, Los Angeles had been hosting the
>Iranian Soccer Tournament for the past 4 years.  This tournament
>start on labor day weekend and lasts for 3 days.  More than 20 
>Iranian teams from all over U.S. compete in this tournament every year. 
>
>This year, the previous sponsers are no longer willing to accept
>the responsibility and have cancelled this tournamnet. However,
>there is a new sponser for these games and he is from San Diego.
>According to him, this tournamnet will be held in San Diego on
>labor day weekend.
>
>I'll post more on this issue as I hear get more information.
>
>P.S. You can email me if you have specific questions about this 
>tournament.
>
>--Mehregan Nejat

Mehregan can you be kind and brief us 'the football thirsty' based on your
observation what has been the level of the games and players in the past 
years?  Particularly, average age, pro (equivalent to playing in a division
league), and admission fees if any?

I am just trying to rate our handicapped team against those guys!

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055

PS.  I replied to SCI 'cause I know there are a lot of football players out
there :-)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Takhti, The Champ.
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:25:18 GMT

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>
>Mack any information in your keyhan varzeshi's?

Well, andeesheh has already posted an informitive article on Takhti.
Thank you, Mr. or Ms. Andeesheh. However, I might be able to add to
it, given the time it takes to dig them out. I have archived 3.5 years
of "Donya ye Varzesh" on tehran.stanford.edu ... errr I mean ... my
bookcase! I will look them up when I get a chance and will let you
know. BTW, Iranian media refer to him as "jahAn pahlevAn takhti".

For a starter, this one is from the Olympic Almanac that I bought last
night:

    Gholamreza Takhti's Olympic performance:

    1952 Helsinky   79kg    Silver medal
    1956 Melbourne  87kg    Gold medal
    1960 Rome       87kg    Silver medal
    1964 Tokyo      97kg    4th place

This is 10% of our entire medal collection from the Olympics.

There are various stadia and streest named after Takhti. there is also
a memorial wrestling competition held in his honor each year, and many
foreign teams take part in it.

I think he died in January of 1966 or 1967. He also has a son named
Babak Takhti (not our Babak :-) who was born shortly before Takhti's
death.

>Hooshyar F. Naraghi

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
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From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Cafe Borrone (was Re: What to read at sci)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 22:53:09 GMT
Organization: Cafe Barrone

In article <1992Jul26.093845.11718@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>
>>ghAbeli nadAsht, amoo joon.  You're welcome.  You see I was at Cafe Barrone 
>>just around the corner of where I live to meet the British Intelligent Service
>>Agent to get further instructions about this big topic at SCI.  For your
>>information Cafe Barrone is a very popular cafe that has attracted a lot of
>>people from different walks of life around here.  It's just like your own
>>ghahveh khooneh. 
>
>Sheeeeesh! AghA Hooshyar, sedAsho dar nayAr! Our Cafe Borrone might
>just be a bit better than mash yadollah's ghahveh khooneh. I'm not
>sure if amoo's ghahveh khooneh can attract the same kind of crowd as
>Cafe Borrone does night in and night out (approved by Ahmad AghA :-).

Damn, khodamo lo dAdam.  With ammo's tabahor and expertise in marketing and
chAshni-bandi I can see dokoon-e mA dar Cafe Barrone can be closed down very
soon.  Let's hope for a healthy competition.  What was that word Mahyar?  
Oh, "co-opetiton?"

>AghA, cherA pAs nemidee?    :-)

Akheh man mordeh khoram!  [this is an expression regularly used among 
Iranian football players to indicate a person who does not pass the ball in
the hope of scoring goals all by himself.  It does not mean the actual Adam
khori, dead or alive. HFN]

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055
From: alis@cae.wisc.edu (Soltani Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More Support and Recognition for the Legitimate Resistance
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:10:48 GMT


>This is a change of policy for the US government. The LA Times
>reported a while ago that the PMOI was on the CIA payroll.
>Does this mean that the PMOI no longer receives funds from
>the CIA? It would help the budget deficit.  :-)
>   
> - Farzin
>                  

I can see all the internal and external supporters of Akhound Rafsanjani
are really burning and start to regurgitate the "the very well respected!!"
Keyhan Havaai.  Besuzid.  The corrupt Akhounds have no future in Iran,
Many already have realized this. As far as for the international support for
the Resistance, there will be more support.  As long as this bloody regime 
violates the most basic human rights in Iran there will be support for the
Resistance and condemnation of the regime by the representatives of the 
people from all over the world and not the "intellingent services" of those 
countries.  That is the regime's department.


Be Omide Irani AzAd.

Ali
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: How the government can help
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:10:37 GMT

In <jamshid.712090981@cgl.ucsf.edu> jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh) writes:

>kambizm@ifi.uio.no writes:


>The basic problem, as pointed out by Kambiz is the general legal climate
>which discourages investment and entrepeneurship. This climate is encouraged
>by the Bonyads and the week and dependent court system. The fact is
>that no one is certain that his invetment will not be confiscated by the
>Bonyads and there is no efficient court system to challeng the arbitrary
>actions of the Revolutionary Court or the Bonyads. Also, there are
>crippling labor problems in the factories caused by the Islamic Workers
>Organizations which discourage an efficient work force.

>As an example, the accute shortage of housing is caused by the inability of
>landlords to recieve rent at current market proces. The galloping 
>inflation has made many rental contracts obsolete. Yet the landlords are unable 
>to increase the rent or evict the renters due to inefficient legal system.
>Thus many apartments in Tehran are empty, and the landlords prefer to keep
>it that way so that they may be sold at an equitable price without
>the hassle to deal with renters.

>--jamshid

One way to solve this problem is to tax houses, which are not rented, heavily.
That is anybody with more than 1000 Sq meters of house should be taxed
heavily, or people who have more than one unit, if one chooses not to rent 
the excess units.  For example, they could be taxed %10 of market value of the
unrented house, not the government value, per year.  However, this is a short 
term fix.  The real problem is created by the law of supply and demand.  That 
is the total number of houses has not caught up with population increase.  
To solve this problem fundamentally, private investment in construction
industry should be encouraged.

That is by creation of tax incentive, such as no income tax on the sale of
newly built homes, low interest loans for first time home shoppers, attracting
foreign real state investors for investment in this area, and low interest
loans to local construction companies.  However, foreign companies should 
use their own capital and free markets exchange rates for their investments.
Nevertheless, we should make their  profit tax free, and they should be able to
exchange their currency at free Market prices (140 t =$1) for currency 
transactions.

Ireland's economic policies for foreign investors are very good example to 
follow in this area.

                    With highest regards,
                         Babak   Sehari.
       


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From: amin@cds8113.Cadence.COM (Amin Ramin Ghafouri)
Subject: Yet another test.
Keywords: Test
Reply-To: amin@cds8113.Cadence.COM (Amin Ramin Ghafouri)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:11:06 GMT


AzmAyesh meekonam..... Yek , Dow , Seh.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: How the government can help.
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:28:18 GMT

In <1992Jul22.203537.4922@telesoft.com> mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone) writes:

>Salam,

>From what I have been following in this article, everybody is assuming
>that the Iranian government does not know how to run the country just
>because it is an Islamic government.  This government has lasted for more 
>than 13 years and is still in power wrongly or rightly. Sure there are
>problems and corruption, but no matter who is in power it is going to be
>the same story. That's just the way it;s been.  when you get to the top,
>you get corrupted.

>One good thing about us Iranians is that we are all smart. This unfortunately
>back fires most of the time, cause we don't listen or agree with other 
>people, thinking that why I should listen to that person, I am smarter
>than she or he.  I think if you want to make any impact on Iran's economy,
>do it over there and don't waist your time here, cause nobody is going
>to listen to you. Just because most of us have been educated here, does 
>not mean that we know more than what the people in Iran know.

>--Mehregan

We are *not* ordering, or telling, the government what to do.  We are just
suggesting and discussing possible plans for improvement in our country.

This by no means, mean that the government does not know how to operate,
it is just one citizen's opinion.  

Unlike the US, people in Iran or the government do not mind someone
suggesting something.  As a mater of fact, I found Iranian government
open in this regards.  What they mind though, is some stupid group
takes arms and force it's opinion down the government and people's
trout.  It is our custom to suggest things to our neighbors, boss,
teachers, and students.  For example, it is very common to suggest your
neighbor to color your door say like this or like that.  Or it is common
to tell your friend to buy this car or that car.  Off course, it does not
mean that he necessarily does what you are suggesting. However, only very
few people mind others suggestions.  As a mater of fact, most people
welcome suggestions from others.  It is recommended in Islam to make
decision in group, "Shora".

>P.S. Who started this WITH REGARD thing anyways?
I guess, it was me.

                   With highest regards,
                        Babak   Sehari.
              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iran to return to Kuwait planes stolen by Iraq
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:25:27 GMT


	CAIRO, Egypt (UPI) -- Iran said Wednesday it will return to Kuwait six
Airbus planes flow to Tehran after being seized by Iraqi troops
occupying the emirate before the Persian Gulf War.
	A dispatch by the official Islamic Republic News Agency, monitored in
Cairo, quoted the Iranian Embassy in Kuwait as saying that Tehran was
returning the planes to Kuwait as a ``good neighborly gesture.''
	Together with most of the Iraqi Air Force's fleet of jet fighters and
bombers, the six passenger airliners of Kuwiat Airways and other Kuwaiti
aircraft were flown to Tehran by Iraqi pilots in January 1991, shortly
before the U.S.-led coalition waged its air campaign against Iraq.
	By sending such a sizable fleet to his formerly enemy, president
Saddam Hussein of Iraq astonished observers, and even prompted some to
misinterpret his desperate move as a possible connivance by Tehran.
	Iran, which fought Iraq for eight years and was demanding
considerable amounts of war reparations from Baghdad, seized the
opportunity and kept the windfall as a partial payment of the
compensation it was claiming .
	But Kuwait never gave up claiming the aircraft and in the process
Tehran tried to wrest funds from the oil-rich emirate to return them.
	Kuwait Airways officials said on several occasions that the Iranians
were trying to gouge them on storage and maintenance charges before
returning the planes.
	The Iranian government, the officials added, will continue to
negotiate with Kuwait on the charges.


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From: habibi@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Daryoush Habibi)
Subject: please choose "WORLD" for the distribution of your articles...
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:56:38 GMT

Hi every one,

On quite a few occasions, I have read articles which refer to other 
articles that never appeared on my site. It may be because the
default distribution for your postings is your country of residence,
if that is the case please change it to "world" every time you post an
article to SCI (of course except those instances when you want to arrange
a lunch get-together in L.A.!)

Thank you in advance,

--
Daryoush Habibi
Electrical & Electronic Engineering, University of Tasmania
GPO Box 252C, Hobart                    Voice: +61 02 202137 
Tasmania 7001, Australia                Fax. : +61 02 202136
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Deja vu or reincarnation of Farzin
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:03:41 GMT
	<1992Jul5.094757.2369@ifi.uio.no>
	<1992Jul17.151747.29376@cis.ohio-state.edu>
	<BrsK5o.803@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: none

In article <BrsK5o.803@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:


 @>kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran) writes:
 @
 @>>Farzin writes:
 @>>
 @>>>PS. Deja vu, no? I come back after 8 months to go over the same old stuff.
 @>>
 @>	Dear Farzin,
 @
 @>	Your disappearing and reappearing in SCI looks more like a
 @>	reincarnation than anything.  And speaking of reincarnation,
 @>	here is a story for you.
 @
 @. . . 
 @
 @>Sincerely,
 @
 @>   > 9-o-^-o
 @
 @And Mr. karbasi is reincarnated once more just to 
 @write about Farzin's reincarnation !  :-)
 @
 @Ala

And they tell me, Ala, that you have been reincarnated recently
and that you disappeared soon after I disappeared!   :-)
    
 - Farzin
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXVIII
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:09:06 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			74

	YESTERDAY *This* Day's Madness did prepare;
	TOMORROW's Silence, Triumph, or Despair:
	Drink! for you know not whence you came, nor why:
	Drink! for you know not why you go, nor where.

			75

	I tell you this---When, started from the Goal,
	Over the flaming shoulders of the Foal
	Of Heav'n Parwin and Mushtari they flung,
	In my predestined Plot of Dust and Soul

			76

	The Vine had struck a fibre: which about
	If clings my Being---let the Dervish flout;
	Of my Base metal may be filed a Key
	That shall unlock the Door he howls without.

			77

	And this I know: whether the one True Light
	Kindle to Love, or Wrath-consume me quite,
	One Flash of It within the Tavern caught
	Better than in the Temple lost outright.


			*****




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From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: More on the Bahais and the Criminal Khomeini
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:44:29 GMT

In article <3588@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:

>	Before Khomeini came to Iran he was the Guest of Honour of
>	France, the same France that Killed 2 million Muslim Algerians.

Imam Khomeini was also the "Guest of Honour" of Iraq.  This proves without
a shaddow of doubt that he was an agent of Saddam Hussain.
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What to read at sci
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:34:27 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Jul29.205433.9794@ica.ivy.isc.com> jafar@blue.ism.isc.com (Jafar Honarmand) writes:

> In article <1992Jul28.163403.5086@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
> >In article <-nmm+ph.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)writes:
> >
> >
> >> while it
> >> seems his line of argument may work better in Sangsar?  
> >
> >Because there is less chance of him being ridiculed over there, when he talks
> >of physical miracles.
> >
> It is interesting that there is actually a city by that name. Frankly, when I
> read your posting, I thought you meant a hypothetical city with the literal
> meaning of the word sangsar ("stone head")-:).

No, I was really serious about it.  And no pun was intended.

-hossein
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From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: More Support and Recognition for the Legitimate Resistance
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:05:46 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
[staff deleted]
>This is a change of policy for the US government. The LA Times
>reported a while ago that the PMOI was on the CIA payroll.
>Does this mean that the PMOI no longer receives funds from
>the CIA? It would help the budget deficit.  :-)
>   

This person, F Mokhtarian, has many times discredited himself,
and the above is just another one. 

The Khomeini regime supporters, like their mentor Khomeini, will
take this "wish" of seeing the Mojahedin receive funds from any
government to grave.

It is irnoic that the Khomeini regime claims the Mojahedin
receive funds from the U.S. (France, Soviets, S. Arabia) and
the U.S. Department claims the Mojahedin are supported by the
Iraq but niether has any crediable evidence!

(BTW, while the Khomeini regime uttered such lies, it was
engaged in arms deals with Israel and the CIA as it was
revelaed during the Iran-Contra hearings.)

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