HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow)
Subject: Re: Anybody want to talk about Clover?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:13:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta

In <1993Jan11.175448.5544@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> paulf@umunhum.stanford.edu (Paul Flaherty) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.101849.25363@walter.cray.com> jwl@ferrari.cray.com (Jim Lynch) writes:
>>We need a "public domain" system to be distributed to multiple vendors, like
>>TAPR has done.  That is probably the only way we will be able to have reasonable
>>prices on advanced communications modes.  As long as the modes remain
>>proprietary, they will be expensive.  Anyone care to form a committee to design
>>such an advanced mode?

>Frankly, $1000 for the HAL CLOVER board is a good deal.  The amount of DSP
>hardware on the board is impressive to say the least.  The CLOVER software is,
>however, untrivial.  Aside from all of the adaptive filters and modems, 
>CLOVER makes extensive use of fast spectral Reed - Solomon coding systems,
>which are not much fun to write, I'm afraid.  Even when HAL does formally
>release a protocol spec, don't count on cheap knockoffs anytime soon.

hmmm, if the per node costs remain over $1k, then I will be amazed if
anyone other than the BBS Operators will convert. (I have doubts they
will, based in other technology/modem observations)

Will we have to just skip HF for packet, and wait for a satellite
solution? 

Actually, by then we will all be connected by ISDN wormholes which use
4.77 Mhx 8088 boxes and Baycom XXII modems for to provide 1200 baud access.
:-(  :-( :-(  (No slam at AMSAT, more a comment on Hams in general)

Oh well, back to 56k LOS links for now!


 Alan Barrow  km4ba | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack
 jab@atl.hp.com     | ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched
                    | C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
 ..!gatech!kd4nc!   | All those moments will be lost in time -
         km4ba!alan | like tears in rain. Time to die.          Roy Batty
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: chuck@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman)
Subject: Re: Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
Organization: CMHC Systems
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 22:48:04 GMT
Keywords: question

In article <1993Jan4.222522.20042@news.columbia.edu>, hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
> I always feel like my 2 hands are not enough when soldering.
> 1 hand holds the soldering iron;
> 1 holds the solder;
> another hand is needed to hold the component, or the pliers that hold the
> component to prevent over-heating.
> 
> Does anyone have a smart solution?
> 
> Tnx for the time,
> Harry Xu     | "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary;
> (KB2LHA/AG)  |  men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." --J. Conrad

I've been known to use my teeth to hold the solder.  Not an eligant solution
but it works in a pinch.
Chuck
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Licensing changes for change of address?
From: clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:57:45 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan5.034427.22541@cs.brown.edu>, omh@cs.brown.edu (Owen M. Hartnett) writes:
> I've been licensed for quite some time, but I listen much more than
> transmit.  I've moved recently and I'm wondering if Form 630 is the
> correct one to let the FCC know about my change of address.
> 
> Sorry to ask such a dumb question, but have you tried getting a form 630
> from the FCC lately.  You go through a voice mail hurdle (at long distance)
> then they never send the form.  They put you through the hassle then ignore
> you.
> 
> Thanks,
> _owen
> 
> Owen Hartnett				omh@cs.brown.edu
> "FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
> 		without knowledge, of things without parallel."
> 			-Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary


The correct form is 610.

	73 >< Carl
	   K8NHE 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: hawk@hawk.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Origin of "88's" and "73's" ?
Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:12:50 GMT

In article <29302@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart) writes:
>In rec.radio.amateur.misc, tcline@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ted Cline) writes:
>>Speaking of the meaning of "72":
>>
>>> And George_Noyes said:
>>>
>>> I believe it is just a "low power version" of 73's.  (If I recall 72
>>> 88's were part of a larger list of messages at one time, no longer
>>> used.)
>>
>>I'm interested in these _old_ number codes.
>>----> Were there others, now no longer used?
>>
>
>Well, I know that the old wire transmission services used to use the
>number "30" to signify the end of each message.  This was sent using
>the old "true" Morse.  The sender would belt it out as:
>
>   di-di-di-dah-dit  (3)   daaaahhhh  (long dash, or 0)
>
>SOUND FAMILIAR???
>
>Yep, this is the origin of the "SK" or "VA" sent today.  Actually, we
>are mimicking a landline Morse transmission of "30".
>
>73.    Ken Stuart, W3VVN

Thanks for sharing that piece of trivia!

di-di-di-dah-dit  daaaahhhh 

regards,
George Hawkins KI5X [DXCC mobile 175]
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Re: Soldering radials to SO-239's, soldering PL259s
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:21:01 GMT

I have had difficulty soldering PL259 connectors to coax, even good ones
from Amphonel(sp).  Found that I could improve my success by filing off the 
shiny plating off the brass underneath, around the solder holes.  This also
meant that I could get the soldering done quick enough to minimize heat 
damage to the coax cable.
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"The earthly power sucks shadowed milk from sleepy tears undone
From nippled skin as smooth as silk the bugles blown as one" Peter Gabriel
From: cvm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ringo Ranger II performance
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:40:17 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

I am considering replacing my 2 meter J-pole with a Cushcraft Ringo Ranger II.
I am interested in others' experience with the performance of this antenna. 
Will I see a real difference over the J-pole? The 5/8 wave J-pole I have is
supposed to have a 2-3 db gain.  Cushcraft claims/brags a 7 db gain on their
antenna. Is this accurate or realistic?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Michels -- Systems Programmer             cvm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Northern Arizona University -- Flagstaff, AZ    cvm@nauvax.bitnet
Phone: (602) 523-6495                           N7YIU
From: FLEM%athena@leia.polaroid.COM (SKIP FLEM, NT1G, 14X17 NEWTON-1M 617-630-4482)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Periphex :-O
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

>>>Needless to say, I will never purchase another (Periphex HT battery) and
>>>recommend the same to you.
>> My experiance with Periphex was just as disappointing as yours. We needed
>Oh well, I've purchased several Icom inserts as well as new batteries from
>Periphex and have never had a problem.  I'll continue to buy all my new
>batteries from them.
If I had never had a problem, I'd still be a customer. However, the problem
was with 'Customer Dis-Service', which you claimed never having to deal
with. I was letting them know they had a quality problem. They told me
someone else did it. I wanted nothing except an acknoledgement of my
findings.  The companies I respect the most are the companies with highest
regard for customer satisfaction. My list starts with Mercedes-Benz North
America and ends with Periphex. (Yes, I'm on my third Mercedes.)
73 de Skip, NT1G
ps The battery (BP-85S) is still fine. It runs both my HT and qrp rig.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: acm139@ccs.northeastern.edu (Scott Ehrlich)
Subject: Thanks
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:47:36 GMT

I don't want to waste much bandwidth here, but I just wanted to thank all 
those who have responded to my questions posted to this group.

I have already given a brief summary from the replies received from my HT
question, and I'd now like to give a brief summary regarding the replies I
received from my Isoloop HF antenna question (which you might now how guessed
I will not be pursuing since I ended up purchasing the HT instead). :)

In short, most people liked the Isoloop (some said it performed better than
their dipoles), while others said it was too pricey for them, and recommended
looking into MFJ's version of the Isoloop.  I've seen MFJ's ad, but have not
seen any reports about the antenna on the net, nor have I pursued calling MFJ
about the antenna.

Again, thanks much for your help.

(No, I'm lot losing my account or anything like that.  I just thought I'd be
nice in this posting and say thanks).

===============================================================================
| Scott Ehrlich 	       Internet: wy1z@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu   |
| Amateur Radio: wy1z          Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na	      |
===============================================================================
From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now private/closed repeaters)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:06:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls1.cs.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan4.142955.10052@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
|> BZZZZZZT! Very wrong answer. The engineer is *completely* responsible
|> for the robustness and usability of the system. Designing a remote
|> control system so that any user command can cause equipment damage
|> is simply unacceptable engineering. That's why interlocks, limit switches,
|> and overload trips were invented.

And the reason why people circumvent them.  AND the reason why products are
so damned expensive!!!!  I'm sure that Brian's folks are
planning to get that problem taken care of.  However, does this mean they
should shut it down because it can't be used by the Masses?  No, they limit
access so that it CAN be used by the folks who are concerned.  As a member
of the Masses, I could see the toy, and I wanna play with it.  But if they
won't let me use it, I'll go my way.  Of course, if I were a good Communist,
I'd immediately try to have it taken away and "given to the People".

Hmmm, could 2 meters be considered the Amateur Radio gulag?
-- 
Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw	  kurt@cs.tamu.edu   409/847-8607  fax:409/847-8578
Dept. of Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot
"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
      *** Not an official document of Texas A&M University ***
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: RHAREL@FAB8.INTel.COM (RICHARD HAREL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu FT-7400 - Availability ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:38:11 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Anyone on the net know of a source for the Yaesu FT-7400 ?
(This is the UHF version of the popular FT-2400 50W mobile xcvr).
It's included in Yeasu's complete amateur 'line' picture in the
back of QST but no one seems to carry this item in stock.
-Richard
WB2JBS
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL status of YX0AI
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:36:38 GMT
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

Some of the locals on the packetcluster report that QSL's from the 
most recent AVES ISLAND expedition are trickling in.  One guy has
sent cards to three different addresses and still doesn't have one,
and this is a new one for him.  Anyone out there have any good info
on what's really happening? tnx! 73, Tom WB4IUX

--
From: lupine@lamar.colostate.edu (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: rcving keps
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:20:09 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Would you please put me on the e-mail list for 2-line orbital elements?
Also if you can, I would appreciate elements for as many satellites as possible,
not just the ham sats.
                              Thanks,
                          Kevin(N0LSW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,comp.sys.atari.st
From: camerond@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: F3C Radio-FAX with atariST?
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:54:22 GMT

There was a WEFAX program and interface published years ago in
ANTIC magazine.  I have found nothing since.  JVFAX50 for the msdos
machines is available at many ftp sites.  It is much more sophisticated,
can use a simple interface, and better interfaces, built or in kit
form, are available at several places in Germany.

I have not yet used either program, but have received good reports on the
JVFAX program

Don Cameron VE3NVU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jdw@wucs1.wustl.edu (j d wilson)
Subject: Re: TM-732A Remoting
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:46:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.204634.19569@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ker@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kenneth.roser) writes:
>I'd like to remote the head of a TM-732A without purchasing Kenwood's
>remoting kit.  I understand the connector used for the head (not the mike)
>is an uncommon connector.  Does anyone know where to get this connector?
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ken Roser - WA2VCI - ker@mtgzfs3.att.com - AT&T Bell Laboratories - 908-957-5822
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ken, I have the remote kit for the 732A.  There are two cables included:
One is for the mic, which allows you to place the mic connection separate
from the main unit.  The second cable is the one to remote the head unit.
I've not been able to determine though who manufactures the connector...
There are only 4 wires in the cable.  If you try and make your own be
sure to use some sort of strain relief on the cable, or better yet
just get the kit, it's really worth it (HRO), and you get the mounting
hardware with it.  

I used the Kenwood MB-201 mobile mount, and remove/install the rig in 
the car/home.  It's kind of a hassle, but definetly easier than trying 
to use a handheld in the cigarette lighter and external ant etc...

Hope this helps.

j d wilson
N0TYZ
From: stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Converting 49Mhz Toys to 6 meters
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 09:51:40 CST
Organization: 11th Hour Contest Group (North American Chapter)

dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:

> In article <rrgd50-281292113249@222.5.80.3>,
>     rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com (Chris Terwilliger) writes:
> 
> | Catalog Number: 60-4015
> | Price         : $9.95
> 
> Gadzooks!  The Australian version (55 MHz) is about AU$50 !!!
> No wonder Tandy (RS) have a reputation here for over-priced junk...
> 
> -- 
> Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
> dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave


Dave, 

Tandy can't take all the blame.  Don't forget about Australia's user 
unfriendly Customs Ministry for those of us not associated with the 
Commonwealth.

Steve KA0VYB
From: taber@cimfie.enet.dec.com (PStJTT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Robbery
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:18:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <86038@ut-emx.uucp>, miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) writes...
> 
>Here is a description of the thief, as given by the bus driver: Black
>man, 28 to 35 years old, dark complexion, ...

A black man with a dark complexion, huh?  I think I saw him..... 


>>>==>PStJTT
From: jga@dreaml.wariat.org (Jon Anhold N8USK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Intermod vs. Spurious Signals (Re: Yaesu FT530 HT first impressi
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 17:29:24 EST
Organization: Dreamland Network Systems, Cleveland OH, 44116

randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

> Spurious signals are a problem on all reasonably priced handheld 
> DC-to-daylight receivers I've ever used, including handheld scanners,
> HTs, and multiband radios.  When you get something, you give up
> something.  If you want the extended receive, you get spurious
> signals along with it.  Some receivers are worse than others
> though.

Well, of the three radios I've had (Alinco DJ-580, Yaesu FT-470 and
FT-530), the 530 is absolutely awful!! I can't express how bad! I live in a
suburban area where intermod (or spurious signals) isn't usually a problem.
I called Yaesu and they said that my report was the first of the problem. I
plan on calling back tomorrow. If they can fix the problem, I'm keeping the
radio. If not, I'm trading it for another similar radio by a different
company.

-j


--
|   |  |  |   -Jon Anhold N8USK- @ Dreamland Network Systems
+-*-+--+--+   (...{uunet|backbone}!dreaml!jga) (jga@dreaml.wariat.org)
| # |  |  |   Packet: N8USK @ NO8M    TCP/IP: n8usk@dreaml.ampr.org
  #           "It's a fax from your dog, sir. It looks like your cat."
From: n4hy@tang.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Origin of "88's" and "73's" ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:46:10 GMT
	<1993Jan7.155514.986@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu>
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research
In-reply-to: clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu's message of 7 Jan 93 20:55:13 GMT



>Thanks, Bob, for reiterating the obvious.  Seems far too many folks, intent
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>on fracturing the English language, and now focusing on abbreviations and CW
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>shorthand.
^^^^^^^^^^
I love it when people blast other peoples grammar, sentence structure,
misuse of words, etc. and do it in something that isn't even a sentence.

Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house.

BMc
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QRP radio kits - where to find them?
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:06:02 GMT
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University

The following file is from info@arrl.org filename "qrp-rig".

-------------------------------> begin <--------------------------------

Subject: QRP Rigs List
 
I was preparing a list of QRP rigs that were available for 
a Intro to QRP class that I am teaching at Pacific Con (Sat at 3:00)
and I thought the net might like this list also. So here it is;
 
Oak Hills Research
 20 and 40 Meters
 2 to 3 Watts
 $149.95 Kit
 616-796-0920
 
MFJ
 15 to 40 Meters
 5 Watts
 $179 Built
 800-647-1800
 
Tejas
 17 to 80 Meters
 Watts unknown
 $139.00 Kit
 Fax 713-840-8608
 
A&A
 20 to 40 Meters
 5 Watts
 $159.95 Kit
 714-952-2114
 
Ramsey
 Receiver $29, 20 to 80 meters, Kit
 Transmitter $29, 20 to 80 meters, Kit
 1 watt
 716-924-4560
 
CM Howes
 40 and 80 meters
 Watts Unknown
 $164.95
 219-594-3661
 
I know that I am missing Kanga Kits which has the Sudden Receiver but
this is best I could do on short notice! Hope this helps in some way!

QRP Books - contact djahnke@arrl.org for information about ordering
any League publication.
 
QRP Notebook by Doug DeMaw W1FB
W1FB's QRP Notebook By Doug DeMaw
Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur
QRP Classics By ARRL
Your QRP Operating Companion By ARRL
W1FB's Design Notebook by Doug DeMaw
 
See also the ARRL Kits list, available from the info@arrl.org mail server.
Retrieve the kits file.

The members and HQ staff would like to thank the following people for
their contributions to this information file:

Jeff Jones AB6MB

Send any additional information or changes to ehare@arrl.org. 

73 from ARRL HQ.

--------------------------------> eof <-------------------------------------

Harry Xu     | "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary;
(KB2LHA/AG)  |  men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." --J. Conrad
From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 20:22:51 EST
 <1993Jan04.035912.16697@ssc.com> <Xh2gs*B90@lemsys.UUCP> <HIDEG.93Jan8121137@spsd630a.erim.org>
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <HIDEG.93Jan8121137@spsd630a.erim.org>, Steve Hideg writes:

> I think the University of Waterloo needs to give Craig Lemon more homework.
> 
> _________________________
> Steve Hideg  N8HSC
> 
> hideg@amadeus.erim.org

        You have some sort of problem with me expressing my opinions?  Why
don't you take it up with me in email then, if you insist?

--
 Craig Lemon VE3XCL (Advanced) - Kitchener, Ontario. +1 519 741 0297
 clemon@lemsys.UUCP clemon%lemsys@xenitec.on.ca  | 1B Electrical Engineering
 TCP/IP: ve3xcl@ve3xcl.ampr.org [44.135.84.51]   |  University of Waterloo
 AX.25 Packet: ve3xcl@ve3euk.#SWON.ON.CAN.NA     | Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Charles Adams)
Subject: Re: NASA Project Dante; why fiber cable?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:49:40 GMT

In article <C0Fptt.CD2@panix.com>, dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
|> In <POPOVICH.93Jan5211354@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
|> 
|> <lots of good stuff deleted>
|> 
|> >The radio was not used was due to a combination of factors, primarily
|> >driving us was time, the amount of information, the amount of
|> >available power on the Dante, the fact that we were not line
|> >of sight and the desire to only put computers on Dante that we were
|> >used to programming (again the time factor) and could withstand -40C.
|>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> hmm, -40C.  I wonder what that is in F??   <g>
|> 
|> danny (brrr, is it really summertime in antarctica?) burstein
|> 
|> dannyb@panix.com

-40C = -40F.  this is the only place on the two scales where they match.
this is probably why danny posted this.  ;-)

in 1958 timeframe i had high school teacher ask this question on a chemistry
quiz.  where on the Celcius and Farhenheit (sp?) scales are the temperatures
equal?  i worked it out on the quiz and got the above.  the teacher (a coach)
still counted it wrong and only wanted the answer "none".  i'm still p.o.'d
at the guy.  ;-)

73 de k5fo  chuck