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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DS9: Something Weird Happened in Promo
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:25:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.225011.26180@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	I was just watching the promo for "Ship in a Bottle" (I
>know that's not DS9, but I can't change the title.)  Anyway,
>the only sound was dialogue and sound effects!  There was no
>music, and no narrator to tell us what was going on!  Has this
>happened to anyone else?
>

Cute...  It sounds like your station screwed up and accidentally played
the "Production Tracks" version of the promo, which is sans narration
and theme music.
From: 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rec.Arts.StarTrek.* Read!
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:46:26 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's




odos nose
klingon hooters
trill
Spot the cat
worst episode
split
seperate boards
music
comets
kill file
top 20
ha ha ha 
humor
Troi's butt
bathroom

Just a few topics that this board is famous for!

think about it!

signed,
Stimpi : Spot Rules!
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Is it murder??  **Spoiler Alert**
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:32:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1jij98INN53o@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> zorak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Scott E Flowers) writes:
>To avoid seeing these spoilers, a few lines.
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>In the latest DSN episode, the one where Odo is accused of murder (Sorry,
>i didn't catch the title), at the end of the episode Odo tells 
>Rosach(sp ?, i didn't really catch his name either) that killing your
>clone is murder too.  Doesn't this contradict what happen in a previous
>ST:TNG episode where Riker and Pulaski are cloned.  They beamed down to
>the planet surface and killed their own clones.  I take it that this was
>not murder.  Was a new galactic law passed on clones or is it murder for
>anyone who is not a regular on ST:TNG or DSN?
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The clones that Riker and Pulaski destroyed had not gained viability yet
(and thus, they felt, were not alive).  However, this could be stretched
into an ugly debate about Star Trek's views on abortion rights.. (if that
arguement starts, Mr Thread, meet Mr Killfile).

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From: lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: People who like Kira
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:02:08 GMT
Reply-To: lpeters@marge.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

In article <1993Jan20.185351.9151@athena.mit.edu>, wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey) writes:
|> In article <1jhlnjINNp94@lester.appstate.edu>, BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  ) writes:
|> |> In <1993Jan18.222716.1260@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com writes:
|> |> 
|> |> > People who like the character Kira so far:
|> |> > 
|> |> > Roland Besserer
|> |> > J.Marc Chabot
|> |> > Gregory O. Harp
|> |> > Thor Iverson
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|> |> > And, of course, me!
|> |> > Anyone else? Maybe I maintain a list. :)
|> |> > 
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|> |> Add me to the list.  I like Kira best of all of the characters, becuase she
|> |> doesn't take shit from anybody, including Sisko.
|> |> 
|> |> --Danny Barnes
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|> 	you can add me too...i get a lot of flack from other trekkies, but so far
|> she's been a little feisty, and did you see how she took out that extra in the
|> mob scene in "a man alone"?????
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|> 			Aaron Woolsey
Include me in the I-Like-Kira bunch (It's hard not to like a
strong-willed, attractive woman, even with ridges on her nose!)
-- 
|     I haven't lost my mind --     | Les Peters, Sorceror's Apprentice |
| it's backed up on tape somewhere. |    lpeters@marge.hq.af.mil        |
From: cameron@lpl.arizona.edu (Cameron Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Please create rec.arts.startrek.ds9 !!!
Keywords: ds9
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <c9l3pzk@rpi.edu> palmj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm) writes:
>Please let us create rec.arts.startrek.ds9.  Of the 758 articles
>accumulated since I last read r.a.s.current, AT LEAST 368 of them
>were DS9 related (not counting the group split discussions).
>
>That's just about ----> 49% !!
>

I agree.  That way I don't have to kill the 51% I don't want to read
(TNG get up and die!  DS9 rules!!!)

The Camster
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart's messages from Prodigy
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:59:08 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> SUBJECT: "PATRICK ON PLAYS"
> 
> Brent,
> For my next theatrical project, I am preparing to re-direct
> production of Every Good Boy Deserves Favor, a play by Tom
> Stoppard, with music by Andre Previn. We did it last year
> with the Orange County Symphony Orchestra. We plan to do the
> production later this year with the Chicago, Minneapolis and
> Atlanta symphony orchestras. I play a character named The
> Doctor, a senior physician in a Soviet Union mental
  ^^^^^^

Now, all he has to do is play this same role back in England for
the BBC and all my prayers will be answered....    :-)

Steven.K.Manfred
-who already has tickets... ha ha ha
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From: jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff)
Subject: Re: TNG music trax suck
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:31:42 GMT

Regarding discussion of TNG music soundtracks:
I've always thought soundtracks shouldn't get in your way; ie I want to
watch the show, not pay attention to the music.  The music should enhance
the mood of the current scene.  I think the TNG music is good in that
regard; I never dwell on it, and when I do notice it I tend to like it.
For example, in several of the BORG episodes, when the BORG cube-ship is
first put "on-screen Mr. Worf", the music is that of a chorus singing some
wordless sounds.  I think that's great!!  Very apropos; since the very 
nature of the BORG is that of a chorus all together...

If you listen to a lot of the TOS episodes you'll hear the same music
repeated over and over from one episode to another.  After watching
enough TOS reruns that "Battle theme" (played during the AMOK TIME 
entrance of T'Pau, for one) starts to drive me nuts.

Well, just my $.02 worth.
- Jennifer
From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No room at the bar !
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:17:19 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Ten-Forward is probably the only 'real' bar on board but don't forget they
have those Holodecks which can recreate any kind of bar experience. I
think the crew go to Ten-Forward only to get a dose of reality (and maybe
for the guys to pick up chicks or vice versa).

Also Isn't Ten-Forward a sort of Officers Club?

paul m.
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:27:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan23.182724.19724
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1jq80eINNfqv@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew Englander) writes:
>In article <C17u3y.Gos@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:
>>
>>I believe this is yet another case of American TV shows catering to
>>American ignorance and American subtitle prejudice.  I would bet that
>>most Americans can't place the accents of most people they hear.
>
>I think Picard's accent is supposed to be British. What I understood
>from the "Picard goes home" episode was that all Earth now speaks
>the English language, and presumably Europeans speak it with a British
>accent.

OK, but then why do Worf's parents and Chekov speak English with
Russian accents?  I think the real explanation was that English is 
a lingua franca, but people still speak their local languages at home,
combined with English.  "Family" had to be in English because unfortunately,
American TV viewers generally don't understand French.
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Holodeck matter (spoiler)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:01:42 GMT

Something just popped into my head whilst watching "Ship in a Bottle"


Okay, here it is:

The book shouldn't have disappeared.

The holodeck uses rudimentary transporter technology to create simply
things such as trees, water (member, Wesley drips after falling into
the stream in the pilot), paper (Moriarty's drawing in "Elementary,
Dear Data"), etc.

The only matter that *can't* leave the holodeck are the people.  So
the book, a replicated book, should have landed with a thud in the
corridoor, not disappeared in a sparkle of light.

What do you all think?

Not a big problem, continuity-wise.  Not like all the QL problems,
but annoying to those of us who like to pay attention to holodeck
explanations for fanfic purposes.


LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
From: mcsbc3maw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Q Fans - Read Now !!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:48:30 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



	Any Fans Of        Q          out there if so care to join us in

	Alt.fan.q  (Blatant Advertising I Know)

	Cheers
		Mark
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From: jimfr@microsoft.com (Jim Francis)
Subject: Re: "Standard" is the Federation's standard language in the 24th Cent.
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:21:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan25.204326.24026@darwin.sura.net> nunn@sura.net wrote:
> In article <1993Jan25.040500.8822@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan25.030726.18574@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:
> How about this for a possible explanation?  I just saw a rebroadcast of
> "The Last Starfighter".  In that movie, they attach this translator
> thing to the guy's collar, and it translates everything which is said
> into English (which is what the guy speaks).  Now, each one of the Star
> Fleet communicator pins is actually also a translator, so that each
> member of the crew hears his own language.  We each have one in our
> televisions, too, which translate it into our language for us viewers.
> Now, then.  I think that takes care of the "English Speaking Universe"
> problem!  :)

What a neat device! It even makes their lips move to form the English words!

NOT!

JimFr
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From: rima@rgm.com (Rima Mendonsa)
Subject: Re: What about the men??
Organization: RGM *nix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:10:47 GMT

I think that most of the men on both TNG and DS9 are lacking in the physical
attractiveness department.  I *MIGHT* consider Patrick Stewart sexy if I were 
at the very least 10 years older (I'm 19).  However, it is not easy to be 
attracted to a man who is old enough to be your father!  And Frakes, please!  
Why the writers used him as a sexpot in the first few seasons is beyond my
comprehension.  I have rarely seen Spiner without his Data makeup, but his 
nose has a lot of character :-).  Burton is someone a woman imagines as a 
friend, not a lover.  Dorn just doesn't do it for me.  Brooks looks like one 
of those men one would find on some network cop show.  I remember what 
Auberjonois looks like from "Benson".  It wasn't pretty.  Colm Meany needs to 
get a haircut.  That doctor (Bashir, I think--I can't remember the actor's 
name) is annoying.  It might help if he acted better.

No, I watch ST for the storylines and action, not to rate the actors on my
babe-o-meter.  However, it would be kind of nice if they did have some 
attractive younger men on the shows.  But I'm not holding my breath, judging
by the mentality of the writers, who find it excruciatingly necessary to 
put attractive women in the female roles, and dorks in the male roles.

Rima

P.S.  My gosh!  There is someone I forgot!  Wil Wheaton is the most luscious
babe to walk the face of the earth!  He has such nice breasts!  8 ^D

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From: kisaacso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin "Zonker" Isaacson)
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:40:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.232243.22979@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, bturner@cv.hp.com (Bill Turner) would have us believe:
[] Jeff Jackson (jackson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com) wrote:
[] >   Gold:  To Q, "True-Q" -- Q, in his own special way, lets us know what
[] I enjoyed that scene as well, but how could you pass up Q's line:
[] 
[]    What else have you done?  Teleportation?  Telekenisis? [look toward
[]    Picard] Spontaneuous combustion of someone you don't like?
[] 
[] [That show was *full* of great quickie lines!]
[] 
[] --Bill Turner (bturner@cv.hp.com)
[] HP User Interface Technology Division, Corvallis

Or how about:
     Crusher:  "So what if she hadn't been able to contain the core
                breach?!"
     Q:        "Then I would have known she wasn't a Q"

Another of my favorites is in Contagion at the end when Picard is
aboard the Romulan ship:                
     Romulan Commander:  "At least I will have the pleasure of
                          watching you die with us!"
     Picard (as the Enterprise's transporters engage to bring him
     back):  "Not, I think, today Commander"

I could think of a dozen others but I'll leave it alone for now.
 

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From: villard@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (EXCUSE ME????)
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Holland College - Charlottetown PEI
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:02:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.185950.19637@husc3.harvard.edu>, cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes...
>In article <16B5DD05A.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>>In article <C17u3y.Gos@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
>>jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>>>
>>>Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg writes
>>>>As a French native I simply say: It is not !!
>>>
>>>I believe this is yet another case of American TV shows catering to
>>>American ignorance and American subtitle prejudice.  I would bet that
>>>most Americans can't place the accents of most people they hear.  Also
>>>interesting to note here that most American students are not taught a
>>>second language from when they are little.  They might try to pick it
>>>up in high school, college or perhaps later in life, but far more of
>>>Europe speaks other languages than Americans speak other languages.
>>>American attitudes toward simply travelling in a non-English-speaking
>>>country generally result in hanging out in the English towns nearby or
>>>hiring someone to talk for them instead of learning the language
>>>enough to get by.
>>>
>>Well, most Americans aren't even aware that most other countries teach a
>>second language and when they learn it, they usually are amazed and can't
>>understand why.  (Don't ask me, I've always thought we, Americans, should
>>learn a second language from early in school.)
>> 
>>In fact, it almost happened, back in the late 70's or early 80's when there
>>was a huge debate about becoming a bi-lingual nation. (English;american-version
>>and spanish;Latin Amer version)
>>However, the conservatives all fought against it, claiming that if you want to
>>live in America you should speak American (kind of funny, speak American)
> 
>I am neither a conservative, nor do I think that racism explains our lack
>of language learning as opposed to Europeans.  (They have small nations
>and their neighbors speak foreign languages.  Generally that is not true
>in the USA.  Perhaps we should take a step back and realize that the
>reason that Picard speaks with a British accent is that Stewart is 
>British, not French.  Perhaps you there are those who will say
>that only French actors should play French characters, but really,
>would you rather have lost Stewart's acting talents for the sake
>of linguistic accuracy.
>Please confine the comments as to why a *24th century* character 
>from France would speak with a British accent.  The 20th century
>real world answer is obviously, as I just made clear.
> 
>BTW, Russian was never as popular as French, German, or Spanish.
>I have spent time studying Spanish, a little French, Arabic, and Russian,
>and rest assured that the latter two have nowheres near a good a 
>selection of textbooks as the former.

What the Heck does this have to do with anything

Chuckie
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From: mgb@slipknot.mit.edu (Michael G. Baker)
Subject: Re: DS9 Opening Credits
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:15:40 GMT

On January 20 (Dave Knott) writes:


> . . . let's face it, DS9 really exists  
>mostly because of the popularity of TNG.

>So why, in the opening credits do we see:

>	"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>	 Based On Star Trek
>		  Created By Gene Roddenberry"

>Wouldn't it be more accurate to have the credits say:
>	"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>	 Based on Star Trek: The Next Generation
>		  Created By Gene Roddenberry"

>Although DS9 IS based on ST:TOS, this is only very generally. It really  
>does owe more to ST:TNG.

>Just a thought... (All you TOS lovers may flame away at will)


>Dave Knott


	IMHO ST:TOS has more then just a general connection
with ST:DS9.  If it weren't for TOS we wouldn't be discussing the
relative merits of DS9 -or- TNG here every day.  
	Plus, Piller and Berman would have to try to make a -new- space 
series fly with no starting point.  In today's market, that is an almost
insurmountable task,(Space Rangers, Time Trax).  I rest my case.

-- 
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Another question/SPOILER on DS9:"A Man Alone"
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:53:14 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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 In article <C187zz.9zp@world.std.com>, pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan) writes:
 >In article <1993Jan21.063137.14670@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
 >>DNA of a murdered man.  So the only way somebody could have gotten
 >>in and out if they left _no_ DNA residue was if that person was
 >>a shapeshifter.  The knife could have been solid as anything, and
 >
 >Y'know, The moment I heard them say that, I thought to myself
 >"or a clone, or his twin", But I thought "Nahh" that's too silly.
 >Then when the doc started growing the clone I knew instantly.
 >
 >I also liked the way that Odo gave *26* hours for the guy
 >to get off the station. Why? Because, obviously Bajor has
 >a different roational period. (But how did the FED's get
 >everyone to use a standard earth hour?)
 >
 >(And how come everyone has no trouble using panels written in Cardassian?)
 > 

    Probably for the same reason that Cardassians speak English,
Klingons read Shakespeare, and everyone pretty much looks human
(except that one big creature that's always by the bar -- maybe,
they should call him Norm).

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: ds9 opening credits
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:51:59 EST

 -=> Psst...  Look what Dave Knott said to All!  Oh my god!!! <=-

 DK> Although DS9 IS based on ST:TOS, this is only very generally. It
 DK> really does owe more to ST:TNG.

No, it is more fitting to put "Based on Star Trek".  This is the third 
series of Star Trek.  It means Star Trek as a whole, not just TNG.  TNG 
is just a part of Star Trek.  Get the idea?


Jason Wong (not Bernie)       Gotta go rebuild that darn igloo...
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From: shabby@Athena.MIT.edu (Chris Shabsin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Man ofthe People" was great!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:53:21 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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In-reply-to: x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 10:20:28 EST

In article <1993Jan22.102028.7403@gw.wmich.edu> x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu writes:

   I've been reading all the replies to my "WORST EPISODE" question,
and I gotta say that I can't believe you people who bashed "Man of the
People."

   I loved the episode, as it was the best Troi-based episode of TNG
that has been on yet. The story may not have been first rate, but we
finally got to see Troi turn into a REAL bitch (nice after 5 years of
uppity niceness!).

   Of course, I also like the dress thatshe wore into Ten-Forward
thatshowed off her ample cleavage (I know, I'm a sexist pig!)!!

    -Karl Anderson, WMU
=(reformatted)-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"the best Troi-based episode of TNG"

that's really not saying much.
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