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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Alpha role instead of alpha roll?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:45:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In lots of messages lots of people say ...

>>>In article <1992Sep3.215322.29105@macc.wisc.edu>
>>>heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>>
>>>>  You're looking at this the wrong way.  It shouldn't matter what the 
>>>>  dog thinks - you *are* alpha (aren't you?).  It's just a matter of 
>>>>  showing the dog that.  If the dog thinks he's alpha it's probably 
>>>>  because you're not.

I'd like to point out that I was quoting someone else when I said 
this.  I'd like to attribute the quote but it's from my memory of an 
email message sent to me months ago - by whom I'm not sure.  I just 
don't want people thinking *I* know anything about this.  I just know 
good sense when I see it.

JGH
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: rawhide question
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: xyzoom.1992Sep15.153022.9394
Distribution: na
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood, CA

Rawhide is indigestible, right?  So if a dog ingests rawhide, it will
not contribute to weight gain?
-- 
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rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: Inexpensive and safe puppy toys
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:02:09 GMT


my lhasa (who, despite the AKC papers, surely must have
a pirhana in her ancestry ;-) ) never had any interest
in nylabones, and likes toys that squeak. (other people
gave them to her).  the new "safety squeakers" reduce
the risk somewhat, but most of the toys with a good
squeak are also flimsy enough that she can tear up the
plastic fairly easily, and those little pieces looked
dangerous to me, too.

the solution we came up with was to tie a squeaky ball
in the toe of a tube sock.  the sock keeps her from
destroying the squeaky toy, and also gives a handle
on the toy that is away from those sharp little teeth ;-)

CAVEAT: i've heard some experts say that giving a puppy
a sock toy is asking for them to destroy your sock collection
because they can't distinguish between your socks and theirs.
because of this, i didn't give Matzah any sock toys until
she was 2.  she has always shown a major interest in my
socks anyhow, but using one in a toy didn't seem to make
the situation any worse.
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Golden Questions
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:32:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.164715.26989@cbnews.cb.att.com>
     ljy@cbnews.cb.att.com (linda.j.young) writes:
 
>I am checking out a litter of golden retrievers over the weekend
>and need to know some key questions to ask.  I did have a golden, so
>I know about the allergies, skin problems, etc.  But I wonder about
>other things (heart, hips) and how serious other things can be if this isn't
>a breeder.  I know the parents are not OFA certified, and when I found
>out she said they were taking the puppies to the vet tomorrow to have
>their shots and their hips looked at.  This I know is "bunk" because
>puppies cannot have their hips checked--unless they are real bad.
>
>Anyway, the "breeder" is obviously rather ignorant on this stuff.
>Though that doesn't mean I won't end up with a good dog.  I just
>wondered if there were some definite "red flag" stuff that I should
>be asking.
 
 
My quick advice is:  don't buy a pup from this breeder.  What you
described is what we (this group) call "a backyard breeder".  If this
"breeder" doesn't know enough about the breed to have her bitch checked,
or require it of the sire, then she obviously doesn't know enough
to be breeding her dog in the first place.  Don't buy a pup from her,
EVEN IF THEY ARE GOOD PUPS.  You would just be rewarding her ingnorance.
And there are plenty of good breeders around that you won't be shorting
yourself of a good pup, and taking alot fewer chances in the process....
 
You may want to try to educate her about her breed, get her involved
in a breed club, etc; but don't be surprised if she doesn't want to
hear it.
 
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Help!!! How to train my 11-month-old golden not to jump!
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:20:40 GMT

In article <92255.001858U49110@uicvm.uic.edu>
   <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
 
>I bought a 9-month-old Golden for my family during early August.
>He is very "active" and smart, too.  For the past two months, from my
>point of view, he has adapted himself very quick, however, he still has two
>serious "problems":  biting and jumping.
>
>After reading some posting about techniques to reduce "biting",
>I practiced them, and it works !  So, I'm encouraged to post
>this mail of "crying-for-help", hopefully I can solve the
>second problem about him: jumping -- he jumps on everybody,
>me, my wife, my 4-yr-old daughter, mailman, visitors --- you name it!
 
 
As you dog is jumping, bring your knee up into his chest with enough
force to knock him over backwards.  Of course, this only is effective
when he jumps on you.  It would be nice if the other people that he
jumps on would do this too, but obviously there are times when that
just isn't practicle (such as visitors & your 4 yo daughter).
For those cases, put him on a leash, and when he jumps, jerk him
backwards (knocking him down if you can time it right).
 
Good luck.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Teal season starts in 2 days!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Those pesky anal sacks
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.180840.12988@newshost.lanl.gov> srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.150931.22619@news.unomaha.edu> massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey) writes:
>>DITTO to everything you said for my 2 1/2 yr old weimaraner male.
>>At first we went to the vet every 6 months for the JOB to be done
>>now it is every 2 weeks at $10 to express the anal sacks.
>>
>>Surely there is SOMETHING we aren't doing that someone knows
>>about....
>>
>I don't know your situation, but it *is* possible to express the anal
>sacks yourself.  It is really not very difficult (again, I do not know what
>your situation is).  My 10yr old mutt has to have it done now and then, so
>I just learned to do it myself.  Not pleasant, but not difficult either, and
>certainly cheaper than having my veterinarian do it.
>
Ditto!  I got sick and tired of paying a vet to do the job, so one time
when I went in I said "I want to do this myself.  What is the proper
way?" and she showed me. I now have two Scotties, so I'm doubly glad
that I can save the vet's fees.  I do it when I clip them, usually
(about every other month or so).  It stinks to high heaven, but only for
a few moments.  Well worth the money saved!  :-)

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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lamb & Rice Puppy Foods
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:23:01 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Sep4.090108.28360@hemlock.cray.com>
<1992Sep4.195513.22206@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep4.195513.22206@tamsun.tamu.edu> emily@azariah.tamu.edu
(Emily Glass) writes:
>Someone (I misplaced the post) suggested lamb and rice over Purina Puppy
>Chow.  Does this really solve the problem, and if so, what brand?  And 
>does someone make a lamb and rice food for puppies?

I switch my Newf puppies to adult-formula foods at 8-10 weeks old. The
so-called Puppy foods are just too high in protein and fat for a fast-growing
big-boned breed (maybe includes your Bouvier?). I feed puppies and growing
adolescents a 26-28% protein food, with fat limited to 12% or so. I've been
pleased with the results of Nutro MAX, Nutro's Lamb & Rice, Nature's Receipe
Lamb & Rice Kibble (They also make a Puppy Lamb & Rice at 25% protein and
15% fat). The Triumph people make a puppy lamb & rice called Puppy
Hi-Tor that I've heard good things about. 
To find a Nature's Recipe dealer near you, call 1-800-843-4008. For
information on Hi-Tor dealers, call Triumph at 914/357-6666. 
*******************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City, OH
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: feeding times (was: New Puppy - Need Advice!!)
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:19:54 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <18ii8mINNuf@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>
>>In Message-ID: <17tf5mINNdl7@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> Terry Hull responded
>
>>]bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>
>>]If you have a "normal" eater or one who is not overly picky, they
>>]should eat all you put down in front of them.  If they are leaving
>>]food, they may be overfed.  A good rule of thumb is to feed them 2/3
>>]of what they would eat if fed by free choice.  Obviously, this does
>>]not apply to dogs that are working very hard every day.  They may need
>>]all the calories you can get into them.
>
>>DO you _always_ clean your plate?  I mean every single meal?  
>
>Yes, unless I am sick, I do.  I was trained to do that as a child and
>I still do it.  With my Rottweilers, if they do not eat all that I put
>down, something is wrong.  If my BC cross does not eat it all, she is
>normally just being her finicky self.  She will eat sometime.  (She
>has missed up to 6 meals in a row before with no ill effects on her.
>It does have the effect of making ME nervous.)  

All of my dogs eat all of their food each time I feed them too.  If they
did not, I would know immediately that there was something wrong.

[stuff deleted]

>
>>'they may be overfed."  I think I am in a position to judge whether my dog
>>is overfed.  I read extensively on dog subjects, I stay in contact with
>>two vets, discuss dogs every chance I get, have a couple of degrees in
>>biology--in short, not a total idiot who has fed his dog to gargantuan
>>proportions.
>
>Sorry, I did not mean to imply that you were an idiot.  Many people
>actually read and follow the directions on the can or the bag of food
>that they purchase, and many of them grossly overstate the dog's need
>large quantities of food.  

I agree with this.  If I followed these instructions, in spite of all of
the pulling I have my Mal do, he would weigh about 300 lbs (assuming he
did not bloat and die).  For breeds that *do* have a suceptability to bloat, 
I think scheduled feeding times of measured ammounts of food is best.  

Again, I think that all of this debate over when to feed your dog and how 
much really should be determined by the dog.  Some dogs can be free fed, 
others cannot.  Some are best on a fixed regime of carefully measured food, 
others are more finiky and require more inventive schemes.  In my opinion, 
feeding is a function of the individual dog more than the owner, and one
must "discover" what the dog in question prefers and thrives on.

-- 
============================================================
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From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: Re: how bad is chocolate for dogs?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:07:58 GMT

>Chocolate contains theobromide, which is toxic to dogs.  How much
>is a problem depends on the chocolate, the dog's tolerance, and his
>size.  I know of dogs that have eaten small amounts of chocolate
>without ill effect (about 1/8 oz) and a couple that have eaten
>substantially more, but lived to wag the tail (after getting
>very sick and throwing up all over the place).  Personally, I
>don't let my dog get near it (but I share the peanut butter
>pretty generously).

karl and i don't give alex (4-year-old 86.5 pound golden) chocolate, but we
do give him nut butters.  and he DOES have a preference to almond butter, 
and he prefers a VERY large wad of it on a ritz cracker.

that is the treat that his "dad" gives him.  "mom" gives him anything he
can guilt her into, i.e., bananas, dates, crusty french/sourdough bread or
rolls, peanut butter dog biscuits, etc.  i guess that is why the boy has 
gained weight over the last l6 months *sigh*.  but those eyes, how can you
resist.  guess that is why i have CATS.....i can't resist the guilt looks.

kg

-- 
so what if i am a vegan?  so what if i try to live a cruelty free lifestyle?
i'll tell you what, i sleep better at night knowing that nothing suffers for
anything i eat or wear and i try to use products that have not involved 
animal testing.  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: csf7m@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Carole Susan Fungaroli)
Subject: Lovely Pup Free to Great Home
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:21:18 GMT

A wonderful little shepherd/chow mix puppy needs a new home!
She's different from any other dog... first of all, she is
beautifully trained, although she's only seven months old.
She knows sit, lie down, speak, and even come (the hardest
skill to teach).  She waits patiently at the door when people
walk in and out.  Best of all, she loves cats, is gentle 
with rabbits, and she plays well with other dogs.  She has
been socialized with both adults and children, men and women,
and she loves rides in the car!

This youngster is spayed, and she has all of her puppy shots
and rabies shots.  She has been fed only Eukanuba and Iams
from the time she was eight weeks old, and she has a beautiful,
fluffy red-brown coat.  She's well-behaved in the house (no
destructive chewing because she's always had plenty of rawhides),
and she would love to live somewhere where she can run in the
yard and be with other dogs.  Her owner is moving out of the
country and, although willing to keep her, feels that the
lifestyle won't be the best one for her.

There is no real rush to place this dog, because the owner is
looking for the ideal situation (he has the dog's best interest
in mind, I think).  If you would love a companion dog for your
present animal, or if you know someone who would like a dog
(particularly someone with kids or another dog, and room to let
her run around), please send me some e-mail and tell me about it.
I'd love to see this little dog find the perfect home.
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.124521.21501@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor) writes:
>In article <9SEP92.17193198@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>
>>	OH Has anyone out there had a portrait taken with their dog?  I
>>don't mean the Santa and doggie picture but a real studio-serious picture.
I smuggled my standard poodle into the museum where I used to
work (she was in her duffle bag) and into the photostudio.  The
professional photographer did a series of black and white, 8 x
10, portraits of her.  Now that she's gone, I've mounted and
hung my favorite.  Somehow the black and white captures her
quiet elegance better than any color print. 

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Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 00:18:58 CDT
From: <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject:    Help!!! How to train my 11-month-old golden not to jump!

I bought a 9-month-old Golden for my family during early August.
He is very "active" and smart, too.  For the past two months, from my
point of view, he has adapted himself very quick, however, he still has two
serious "problems":  biting and jumping.

After reading some posting about techniques to reduce "biting",
I practiced them, and it works !  So, I'm encouraged to post
this mail of "crying-for-help", hopefully I can solve the
second problem about him: jumping -- he jumps on everybody,
me, my wife, my 4-yr-old daughter, mailman, visitors --- you name it!

Before I decide to buy him, I didn't see him ever jumped on
his former owner.  I don't know whether the reason why he is doing
this now is because he is "still a baby" (according to my neighbors)
or it is just simply because I didn't train him properly (Quite honestly,
I don't even know how!) Last week, he knocked down my daughter, again !

Any advises, comments, suggestions, ..... will be the most
appreciated !!   Thanks in advanced.


Remen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.121816.3385@hemlock.cray.com> djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan) writes:

>  I have read to get a good Xray the dog must be knocked out
>so as to not move during the Xray. This has caused problems. This is the
>one thing that has kept me from getting my dog Xrayed. And really if your

It made me hesitate also, but after talking to the vet, I went
ahead.  Only a "twilight" sleep is needed, and that is needed
because of the way the legs must be held while the xray is being done.
Go ahead.
-- 
                
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:30:15 -0400 
From: Nolan McCarty <nm20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Scent Hounds



    I'm fairly new to reading this board. I have a ten-month old Basset
Hound and I've just fallen in love the Basset and other scent hounds
such as the Bloodhound. I was wondering about if there are any other
readers who have experience with any of these breeds. I have plenty of
questions and would be willing to share my experiences. In particular, I
would like to buy a bloodhound as soon as I move out of the city next
year. I'm mostly interested in these dogs as pets but I'm also very
curious about the hunting abilities of the various breeds (although I
don't hunt).


Nolan
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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Help!
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:37:28 GMT

	Can any of you terrier people out there help me? (or for that matter,
anyone who's had a similar problem) My 5-month-old Norfolk terrier has just
started to refuse to walk on lead! She will only move in a direction chosen by
her, not one chosen by me. This started only a few weeks ago. I'm assuming that
is has something to do with adolescence. I've tried food, little "pops" on the
leash, calling her, toys, and even her favorite - the fake mouse! Although its
possible to drag her (she only weighs 9 pounds), I don't feel that this going
to accomplish anything. I want to show her in breed at a match on Sept. 20 and
her breeder will be showing her at Montgomery (the big terrier show) on Oct. 4.
	I've only trained a Siberian and golden retrievers before, so I'd really
appreciate insight into the terrier mind. Thanks in advance for your
suggestions!

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From: ljy@cbnews.cb.att.com (linda.j.young)
Subject: Golden Questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:47:15 GMT

I am checking out a litter of golden retrievers over the weekend
and need to know some key questions to ask.  I did have a golden, so
I know about the allergies, skin problems, etc.  But I wonder about
other things (heart, hips) and how serious other things can be if this isn't
a breeder.  I know the parents are not OFA certified, and when I found
out she said they were taking the puppies to the vet tomorrow to have
their shots and their hips looked at.  This I know is "bunk" because
puppies cannot have their hips checked--unless they are real bad.

Anyway, the "breeder" is obviously rather ignorant on this stuff.
Though that doesn't mean I won't end up with a good dog.  I just
wondered if there were some definite "red flag" stuff that I should
be asking.

Please email or post ASAP because I'm suppose to go look at them Friday,
September 11.

thanks,
Linda
From: Greg_Tinsley@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Tinsley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pit bull?
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:36:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

The Staffordshire Terrier is the dog that originally came over from England and
was the height of most other terriers eg. Wirehair, Fox Terrier.  When imported
to the New World the dog was mixed with Mastiffs to give it more size to handle
the terrain, hence, the American Pit Bull Terrier.  Some kennel clubs
unfortunately do not distinguish between the two eg. Canadian Kennel Club and
others which has resulted in two very different size dogs being lumped together
as the same breed which really they are not.  Hope this helps.


                                  TTUL----> G.T.
From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Akitas
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:05:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Bu31J2.EuG@well.sf.ca.us>, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
writes:
>
>I can't use this as a .signature file (the WELL is enforcing 4-line .sigs
>only) but I thought the Akita fanciers would enjoy a little chuckle.
>
>Kathleen Creighton
>casey@well.sf.ca.us
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  _      ^__^
> ( )     (oo)
>  \-------\/
>   |     ||         Akita responding promptly to "sit" command.
>   ||----||
>   ~~    ~~
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>        I  see your dog listens about as well as mine.  Totally stubborn
creatures, aren't they?
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