From: oueichek@gram (Ibaa Oueichek)
Subject: Re: Al-Baqarah #143
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:22:17 GMT

Mazen Mokhtar (mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan7.204933.3363@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
: 
: >I recall an article written by Dr. Siddiqui while arguing with a Mr. Watson
: >about who is the true Messiah. Dr. Siddiqui was saying the Jewish scribes had
: >modified the writing to make it look like the Messiah would come from the
: >house of David rather than from the house of Ismail and he is Muhammad.
: 
:   I cannot remember the article to which you refer, but I assure you that the
: Messiah is Jesus, May God's blessing and peace be upon him. Perhapse Dr.
: Siddiqui was refering to the coming of a Messenger, rather than the Messiah,
: in which case he would be correct. (Although Jesus (PBUH) is also a Messenger.

  Dr Siddiqui and several readers of sri (who post also to this group) are
very eager on saying "the Barnaba gospel is the correct, real, true, revelation 
of Jesus", this means that they supports its contents at 100%. Well, to all 
those who believe that i say STOP DREAMING. The book is full of contradictions
with several geographic and historical events (just how Jesus went to Jerusalem
by boat ?). And it is contradictory to the Koran because it says EXPLICITLY that
Jesus ISN'T the awaited Messiah but Muhammed, (and Jesus took the place of
St Jean the Baptist, or Yahia as we call him in Arabic, who's not even 
mentionned). What's really a shame is that such a heresy has convinced several
serious Islamic sholars (the Arabic version i read, had a preface by an AlAzhar
Imam saying that "finally, the truth has been revealed").
: 
: 
:   Yes, I do and in a major way. I also believe that the entire Injeel, the
: book sent to Jesus (PBUH) has been lost. None of the books of the NT speak
: with God in the first person, or even with Jesus in the first person. They
: are all accounts or letters which refer to Jesus and his message.

  That's your problem if you believe in it, after all it's you belief and 
what your religion teachs you. And you can't (noone can) provide an evidence
about "a true gospel who has disappeared". After all Jesus pearched for only
three years, i really doubt he had enough time to write anything.
: 
: >Also, what if a person does not worship God, does not worship any man or
: >animal, say an agnostic. How does Islam deal with that?.
: 
:   Depending what you mean by agnostic, he could be a Kafir (rejector) or
: simply Daal (lost, unguided.)
  
: 
 [A discussion about the original sin and other stuff deleted]
: 
: 
: Mazen Mokhtar

  Listen guys, if you wish to discuss about the subject take it outside this
group. It has become really irrevelant here as long as we seem to (hopefully)
on a princip of equality of rights regardless the faith of people (call it
Islam, call it secularism, call it shmilblik, the name doesn't matter as long
as the principal is there). About the technical stuff (whether Jesus is G-D
or not, the original sin and such) i think this discussion can extend for
centuries and it's fruitless because noone has a real proof. After all, if
there was a real proof the problem would have been resolved hundreds of years
ago. And who knows, maybe that's G-D's will, maybe he's chosen to keep a sort
of diversity among people so they can rich him by different paths, but i'm
really going too far than i should.
  BTW, my proposition to take it outside this group is serious and NOT a flame,
but i doubt the moderator of s.r.chrisitian will accept a thread about this
subject.
 PEACE.

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