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Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
From: mbuc1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Matthew Richard     Buchanan       )
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:48:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <ABAIR.92Sep4215200@parsons.sps.mot.com> abair@parsons.sps.mot.com (Alan Bair) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.235235.1952@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>   I need to add more memory to my A3000 and I'm having trouble finding
>   1meg x 4 Static column ZIP ram chips at a reasonable price. I have been
>   able to find nybble and page mode ZIP ram chips easily. I understand
>   that the static column chips support burst mode and thus are 10% faster
>   than the nybble & page mode chips. But I believe I've seen a post here
>   on the Net which stated that due to a bug in the RAMSEY chips of early
>   A3000s (like mine) that causes the burst mode not to be used. Can anyone
>   especially from Commodore confirm this? Also could you give me the name
>   and phone number of a company selling static column chips?

>				     Thanks

>				  Scott Corley

>   spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

>Never heard anything about the RAMSEY problem. For pricing, just look in
>AmigaWorld, mainy mailorder places carry them. One place that always seems
>to have low prices and has been mentioned in the News groups before is
>Memory World (215)244-7930, A3000 Static column ZIPS $15.50 each.
>--
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>Motorola, Inc.            	    (Design Software &
>Mail Stop OE-320		     Computer Services)
>6501 William Cannon Dr. West	
>Austin, TX  78735-8598          abair@parsons.sps.mot.com

I have a 3000 with 2 meg chip and 2 meg fast, which is made up of 4x256K Zips
(not sure whether they are static column or not) That makes 16 chips for the
2 meg fast, am I right??

Anyway in order to transfer my chips over to the 4x1MB static column Zips, and
increase my fast memory from 2 meg to, say, 4meg, I understand that this
will require 8 chips per meg, which equates to 32 chips. At $14-15 per chip
we have $110-120 (US) per meg. Down here that equates to over $200 per meg
which will cost me at least $400 just to get back where I started

What I want to know is: Are these assumptions correct? Can anyone both in NZ
and overseas confirm this??

Obviously 8 rather than 4 of the 4x256K Zips are required to make 1 meg. Again
I assume this is because of the 32 bit requirements.
And likewise, 8 of the 1Meg chips are needed for 1 meg of memory with
those chips.

Sorry I'm not a techie! AdvaTHANKSnce... Matt
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From: ppessi@lesti.hut.fi (Pekka Pessi)
Subject: HD Floppy
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:23:51

In article <tommy.00f0@weird.miami.fl.us> tommy@weird.miami.fl.us (Tom Bonge) writes: 
>I also heard that A-max II plus can read High Density MAC disks, if
>you have an HD floppy.  Where can I get an HD floppy, I have been
>looking and calling every where and everyone says there is no such
>thing or its not out yet, but a friend of mine has one on his A3000.

	What is ID for a HD-drive? (I mean that DD with 80 tracks has
	ID 00000000_16, DD with 40 tracks has ID 555555555_16, etc.)

	How does it change the (effective) rotation speed? Is there
	some special signal to change it? 

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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: A3000: Heating up?
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:19:15 GMT

In <34900@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>Thing is, it's impossible to locate the hottest objects near the fan.  You
>need a good air flow going by each expansion card, and mechanicals being
>what they are, there's no way to have expansion cards near the power supply.
>Also, you don't want all your hottest parts concentrated in one place, or
>you're going to tend to need more cooling than distributed heat would require.

Is it illegal to have a fan in a place other than the power supply? ;-)

On our "big box", the power supply is one of the last things
to get cooling air. The VME gets first shot, then the drives
in parallel with the switchmode power supply.

Many systems nowadays have more than one fan for better
airflow where it's needed. Of course, it costs money and one
of the cheapest way to cool the machine is the way it's done
in the (standard) Amiga.

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From: downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 :(
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:00:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep14.010027.17855
Distribution: comp
Organization: spherical domain of death and darkness

In article <1992Sep13.155424.14874@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
	kzyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>	The A4000 specs are disapointing in two counts, IMHO.
>First, that IDE controller in a high end machine, should 
>have been SCSI (hopefully they will release an A4000SCSI).
>Second is the old Paula chip (Paula is asking for retirement!)

no doubt.

based soley upon the press releases, the A4000 sounds like a bomb waiting
to go off. perhaps i'm letting marc barrett get to me, perhaps not. i bet
many others are feeling the same way, and i for one _will not_ plop down
nearly $4000 on a machine that seems to be destined to become the next A1000.

i'm patiently awaiting something along the lines of an "A4500". with SCSI,
repaired mother board, and the promised improved sound.

hopefully designed by dave haynie.

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From: ieeu0025@cs.montana.edu (Craig Keenan)
Subject: Re: VXL-30 ramboard
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:04:48 GMT

This is a pain not a good.  If you want more memory in your board, you have to
take out and trash or sell at a loss 2mb of memory you already own! that is not
good.  If they were crafty they should have used the 1X4s (dense chips) and
had a jumper to select 2,4, or 8 megabyte configurations.  That way someone 
could just add more memory to the existing memory and take no losses.  Also,
word to the wise...don't buy the vxl-30 accl. with the 68882 in it, it is not
worth it.  just buy the fpu-less board then insert a 68881 which you can buy
for a song.

Here are also some of the specs of the VXL-30 which I wish I would have had:

68030 25/40/or I believe 50 MHz  (note: you can install a 25,40,or 50 MHz   
                                        processor in any of these boards)

68882 at 25 MHz but you can install any 68882/1 at 50 MHz or below (does not
                                             have to match cpu)
can access 32bit ram in 68000 mode 

note: the 40Mhz is the mmuless EC version 

-C Keenan ieeu0025@anim.ee.montana.edu

--------------------------------------------------------
specs from the vxl-30 "manualette" included 
with the hardware
- also, the cup can be run from 16 to 50 Mhz
- about the 68881 tip, Microbotics suggests this in the documentation of the
accelator and note that the 68881 is only 10% slower the the '882, the one 
they sell! 
...nuff said.
From: Roger_Nordin@f302.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Ways to double hard drive capacity???
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:33:38 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@f302.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> With multi-tasking systems, it seems entirely possible that at some point 
the> system will crash while the on-the-fly compression program is still 
compressing
> a file (especially if the compressed file is large).
> 
> Is the program simply lost?

Probably. Let me rewrite your question, into something more generic:

"With multi-tasking systems, it seems entirely possible that at some point the 
system will crash while the filesystem is saving the file to the harddisk. Is 
the program simply lost?"

The answer is: YES. I have been in this situation, and I know the already 
existing Amiga filesystem handle it no better way than Stacker (probably) 
would be able to deal with it.

> What about the structure of the stacker-type disk
> setup?  Is it affected?

It's not that unusual to get a validation error on an AmigaDOS partition after 
the above situation has occured. So, probably: Sometimes, depending on where 
the machine was rebooted, in relation to the writing process.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: gowen@sevmsa.cs.msstate.edu
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.215039.29476@hubcap.clemson.edu>, charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
> don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
>>     You mean the one that's already been advertised for $2900 several
>>places?  That's hardly shelling out almost 4 grand.
> 
> Wherezat?
> 
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Since we are on the subject of pricing, I just wanted to add a few thoughts.
IBM (I don't like the word either) users can get an i486 machine complete
for about $2000.  I believe this is the "DX" machines with a 32-bit bus.  A
complete A4000 (system & monitor) would cost (using the $2900 figure above)
roughly $3400 depending on the monitor.  The difference is about $1400,
which is significant.  I feel that the Amiga is a much better machine, but
this price difference is too large.  I can afford to pay the difference, but
there are many users out there that cannot.  I just hope C= can figure out
some way to lower prices and yet keep the same high quality, which we all
enjoy very much.  If anyone can justify the large price difference, I am
sure everyone would like to read about it.  Oh yes, my statements above
assume that the two machines are fairly comparable as far as performance and
standard abilities, which I believe is an accurate statement.

Lon

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: cs125a39@ih-nxt03.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Strange modem problems?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:07:42 GMT

  I have a Supra 2400 baud modem with strange problems. Everything seems  
ok until I try to dial, and then I get a no dialtone message...it doesn't  
pick up the line. I have done the built-in tests but no error occurs on  
them. All of the indicator lights on the front function properly (even  
when I type the transmission light works). When I type ATA to answer, the  
speaker does work and it makes the 'looking for a carrier' sound (although  
I haven't found anyone to call me to see if it actually works). So anyone  
got an idea what the deal is?? I assume it was hit by lightning but anyone  
else's guess or idea of how to fix it would be appreciated...
 
     Mike Traum
From: stewartm@bfield.uucp (Stewart Mckinnon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1084 monitor problems.
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:12:51 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

RE: Avoiding high voltages......

Simply leave the monitor OFF for at least a few hours (probably less, but why
chance it?) It's STUPID to play around with a monitor that's ON if you don't
have to. You'll see the Flyback transfromer to the right as you look at the
screen, and a heavy black lead that goes over to the CRT. It's a bit of a pain
trying to get at the soldered side of the board, but the bad joint should be
quite visible to the eye.

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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:21:14 EDT
From: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: ALICE
 <193dtqINN4rt@phakt.usc.edu> <copes.716534234@marsh>

In article <copes.716534234@marsh>, copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) says:
>
>4 Megs of chip ram will blow ZorroII compatibility out the door.  Don't expect

Huh ?  The extra 2 meg would probably take up an additional 2 meg of
Autoconfig(TM) space.  This might cause problems if you have a 8 meg
memory board, but boards requiring smaller address space can fit in.
To autoconfig boards, it would seem the OS start assigning address
for memory at 0x00400000.  That shouldn't mess up any boards as they
are pretty much address independent.  The OS just have to aware of
that.  AGA have nothing to do with Zorro.

>to see it till they remove or modify this in the ZorroIII specs, which will
>also require a new buster and other bits.

ZorroIII specs don't have to be changed either.

>copes@cs.curtin.edu.au

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: zkicking 1.3 under 2.04 ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:39:36 GMT

gsimon@COLOSSUS.ACUSD.EDU (Greg Simon) writes:


>Is there _any_ way to zkick or something like that KS 1.3 under 2.04?

>I realize that you can use SetCPU, but that requires an MMU.  I'd like to
>see some program that zkicks 1.3 under 2.0x the same way zkick does it
>now under 1.3.

>I have tried to hack zkick, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about it..:-(

>Thanks!

>Greg Simon
><gs@teetot.acusd.edu>
>University of San Diego
>Electrical Engineering

C= changed the times when the reboot vectors hook in on reset (cool capture 
etc) in 2.04.  I think this is why Zkick won't run under 2.04.  Not really sure
though.  It should still be possible to do....

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From: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Beyond the A4000
Reply-To: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:01:51 GMT

Ok, now we have two kinds of Amigas (besides the old ones)  the A600
seriea which will have 2.1 and die soon and the ones based on the A4000
with 020's and 030's (when and if they ship).  But Commodore is 
spewing out information on a new low end (2 chip) and high end (4 chip)
chip sets that will be out (The low end is awesome let alone the high
end).  So, will the A4000 be able to be upgraded to use these new chip
sets?  It doesn't seem that way right now considering the Alice and
Lisa chips are surface mounted and the highend chips are four in number.
This seems very strange if they are again killing off an as of yet
unreleaseed line of machines.
	Also, since 3.x and up seem to be for the higher end machines
I don't see a problem putting in memory protectiona and VM since
those Amigas will have MMU's.  Can't wait to see 4.0, maybe it will
have resource tracking, vm, mp, and easily programmable menus so that
Tool Manager (by Stefan Becker) can use system bar dividers and
refresh the menus.  Also how about pop up menus exactlly like 
Silicon Menus and an animated busy pointer where you can edit
the # of frames and the frames themselves.
	I find it strange that all the suuden Commodore is
releasing details on 3.1,4.0,hinting at RISC, and talking about
new chip sets.  Hopefully they won't screw over A4000 owners.
Alos, how do they expect to sell any A3000T/040's with all this new info.
I was going to start saving for an A4000, but I'll wait for the DSP,
onboard SCSI, and maybe the newer chipsets.

			Waiting for now,
			Todd Major
From: Jamie_Krutz@a68k.denver.CO.US (Jamie Krutz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Computers for Audio Production
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:00:33 GMT
Organization: The Arvada 68K BBS- Westminster, CO

Michael van Else says:
>No real professional will use an audio output of a computer for 'high
quality'
>apps. They'd rather use dedicated systems, f.e. MIDI samplers. BTW, most
>of the 16bits of CD audio is used to handle the high dynamic of the music.

I don't know what you mean by a "real professional," but I think your
generalization is meaningless.  I currently use an AD516 in my Amiga for
audio production.  Professionally.  A lot of folks use the soundtools stuff
on the mac and there are systems for the NeXT using its built in DSP.

The SunRize stuff (AD1012 & AD516) is cool.  Clearly an onboard DSP is
professionally useful.  Even the Amiga's currently included 8 bit
capability is useful for sound effects in a pinch.

Now if only we had real time video recording to hard drives on the Amiga...

Best,
 -Jamie

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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: RAM chips and the A3000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:38:28 GMT

copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:

>Dave and Michael are correct about the performance differences.  When I said it 
>was 10% faster, I was referring to Sysinfo's relative indexes, which are mostly
>based around a 'Mips' type test.  Note however that with that mode enabled, it
>reads a lower ram speed.  So overall, it would probably run slower, not faster.
>Thank you for explaining this.  

Just for interest:
Last night I removed Setramsey from my startup.  The machine appears to run 
around the same speed, but the hard disk is now 50-100K/sec faster.  Figures...

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copes@cs.curtin.edu.au
From: DEBATZ@FRMEU51.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Laser Printer Driver
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:22:10 GMT


Jason J. Strudwick ask :

>Does anyone know if there is an Amiga printer driver that will work with
>a Digital LN03 plus laser printer and if so, where it is available?

An LN03 Amiga driver is on the Fish 164 in

AmigaLibDisk164:PrtDrivers/Dec_ln03

B. de Batz (France)
From: oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Ways to double hard drive capacity???
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:51:32 PST
Organization: Church O' Lantern

In article <2ywn+sn.fuzzy@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> oleg@crumpet.cts.com (Oleg Rovner) writes:
> 
> >Can't the
> >Stacker people be sued for false advertisement? I mean, is it so hard to
> >say "compress the information" instead of "double the capacity of the
> >drive"? 
> 
> Since the compression is transparent to the user (in most cases),
> Stacker really does effectively double the capacity, since for most
> intents and purposes, it does work that way!  Is that so hard for you to
> understand?

Read my lips. Nothing will double the 'capacity' of your drive. X number of
bytes will fit on it. X+1 will not. It does not matter what form the data comes in,
you will not automagically add a single damn byte to the capacity of the drive.
Is it so hard for you to understand the point I am trying to make here? 
"Effectively", "in most cases" and "most intents and purposes"  are the weasel 
words.

 
> >If you want something that compresses data, I think the Amiga approach which
> >lets one choose WHICH files get compressed and is transparent only after
> >compression is better. Try PowerPacker or Turbo Imploder. Turbo Imploder is 
> >PD, PowerPacker is not.
> 
> Is that all you have on your hard disk?  Programs?  What about data
> files, like anims, pictures, fonts, mods, text files, and other useful
> things?  Imploder can't do any more for these than LHA, and constantly
> archiving and dearchiving data is something that users want to avoid.
> They want a package that will do it for them, on the fly.  This is what
> Stacker does for the PC user, and it's only a matter of time before
> there is a similar product for the Amiga.  Whoever creates that system
> first and makes it work, stands to make a lot of money, since the market
> is demanding it.
> 

Powerpacker compresses data files.As for "market is demanding it" if the market
'demanded' something, it would be there. The Stacker approach is not particularly
attractive to me.

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From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:19:10 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep13.215039.29476@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
>>     You mean the one that's already been advertised for $2900 several
>>places?  That's hardly shelling out almost 4 grand.
>
>Wherezat?

Word on GEnie (from folks at the WOC show) is that Creative Computers is
taking orders at $2900.

ANYTHING that you can't afford is "overpriced".  The consensus on GEnie
seems to be that folks are surprised that it's so _IN_expensive for what you
get.  

Brian
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