HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: American view of justice
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:36:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson) writes:
: In article <1992Oct1.011739.16158@news.csd.sgi.com> rosso@roscoe.csd.sgi.com (Ross Oliver) writes:
: 
: >Americans seem to have an obsession about proving we are more civilized
: >than the rest of the world.  "Why, look how barbaric the laws are in other 
: >countries!"
: 
: The above quote is about Columbus, Ohio, which, as far as I know, is
: part of the US.

The people that live there claim it is. Many of the rest of us remain
unconvinced.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Re: 666 Cable TV
Summary: Someone had to. 
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:16:10 GMT

In article <5348@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.135427.5512@sei.cmu.edu>, kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock) writes:
>>It occurs to me that we might as soon debate on the number of faeries
>>that can dance on the head of a pin.
>
>I think it's "ten".
>
	Two-Fifty.

Now that that is out of the way,  I heard a new (to me) UL the other day.

	The topic was cable TV and pirating extra TV's inside your home off
a socket.  I was "informed" that
	a) The cable company can test electrically for the number of live
	   connections.
	b) When they discover a site is cheating they send a powerful electric
	   current thrugh the cable and destroy (explode?) all the TV's in the
	   offenders' house.

Before you hit followup I am aware that a) is possible and b) is a howl.

So,  has anyone else heard any other justifiable corporate revenge stories?

-- 
Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Radar Jamming, was: Re: Radar Cars 
From: rdale@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:32:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

> Does anyone know which laws these would violate?  The device is essentially

	I remember seeing those plans.  The unit is ostensibly for testing
your radar detector.  Wink, wink.

	Which laws?  FCC laws!  It is illegal to intentionally cause
harmful interference to *any* signal.
From: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Kees Goossens)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Oranjelo
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:13:28 GMT
Reply-To: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Kees Goossens)
Organization: The Lavatory for the Foundations of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct5.215015.8694@sunova.ssc.gov> chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuk Adams) writes:
>
>I guess that was better than what Bozo the Clown named his daughter:  Bozetta.

I find Nigella Lawson daughter of Nigel Lawson (former chancellor of the
exchequer in the UK) a particularly sad example.

Kees Gerard "grandfather #1" Willem "grandfather #2" Goossens
--
Kees Goossens                       Keep in Touch with the Dutch:
LFCS, Dept. of Computer Science     JANET: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk
University of Edinburgh, Scotland   UUCP:  ..!mcsun!uknet!dcs!kgg
Wiskunde is bouwen in de geest.	--- Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Flavored Condoms
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:55:49 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1687011DAF.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.161441.3369@PA.dec.com>
>snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes: 
>>> Subject: Re: Flavored Condoms (was: Re: Stupid cop tricks)
>>
>>Okay, what's this thread going to mutate into next: snuff films, or
>>north polar time zones?
>  
>Where does the word posh come from?

Did Churchill invent flavored condoms, or was it Disraeli?  I do
know that Hedy Lamarr invented the radar detector....
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: dm@stekt2.oulu.fi (Hannu Helminen)
Subject: Re: Counting on hands: (was: Possible UL alert)
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
	<H.qByMjh0x1UA@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
	<cline.717800949@plum.cs.scarolina.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:01:51 GMT

In article <cline.717800949@plum.cs.scarolina.edu> cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:

> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) wrote:
> >when i was about 9, i figured out how to count on my fingers in base 5(one
> >hands for ones, the other for fives.) i could get up to 30 that way.

> and I get to say:
> As for myself, when I was that age, I used (and still do) a Romanesque
> method.
> RightHand,Finger = 1
> RightHand, Thumb = 5
> Left Hand,Finger = 10
> Left Hand, Thumb = 50
> This let me count up to a hundred, and if I went barefoot there were a
> myriad of things I could count. (Well almost.)

Well, I re-invented binary at about that age. So at least in
principle, I was able to count to 2^10-1 with by fingers only. However
in practice it was not that easy.

The only difference between my binary and the real one was that my
format was LSB first.

I knew at that age that computers used only 0's and 1's, but that was
all I knew about binary. I was very astonished later when I found out
that my system was basically equal to the system actually used in
computers...

Now somebody tell that he used _three_ finger positions instead of two...
--

   _| _ _    Hannu    dm@stekt.oulu.fi    // Does anybody else in here
  (_|| | )  Helminen dm@phoenix.oulu.fi \X/ feel the way I do?
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mixed up translations
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <4322@moscom.com> de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.203259.21895@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
>
>Actually, I shot a rocket once, wouldn't be a bad motto for AFU.

I shot a rocket once.  I read AFU.

That must be the connection.

4 out of 5 people who ever shot off rockets read AFU.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: smith+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith)
Subject: Re: drink, drive, die, sen~or
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:22:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.174046.23896@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:

	(here's a newspaper article trotting out an old 
	DUI UL)

>
>Exerpt from _The Columbus Dispatch_   (a "legendary" paper)
>Friday, September 25,1992  p. 11A, Forum page.
>
>Headline: U.S. Drunken-Driving Laws Still Too Lenient
>Author: Claude Lewis
>Affiliation: Philadelphia Enquirer

Last I knew, there is no publication by this name.
There is a Philadelphia Inquirer, however.

******************************************************************************
                         sean.smith@cs.cmu.edu
                     carnegie mellon computer science

          posting from PITTSBURGH, the center of the AFUniverse!
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Possible UL alert(was Re: Videotaping rapes)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.074733.29955@news.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
> The first one had the left hand for tens and the right for ones.  Touching
> just the thumb against the desk was one, thumb and forefinger down was two,
> and so on to all five fingers on the desk.  Then I took my thumb off the desk
> for six, until ten was no fingers down and a carry to the left hand.

> This worked pretty well, until I needed to count really large numbers.  I then
> switched to binary, and found that I could get up to 4095 if I used the heels
> of both hands as additional bits.  If I needed to go above 4095, I carried to
> eyes, mouth, clenching and unclenching toes, and so on.  I recall that once,
> while my father was in a meeting and I was waiting in a reception area with
> nothing to do, I counted up to 16383.

And just think, you could have learned how to use an Abacus or Soroban instead
and had a useful skill...
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Segodnja volka obnimal?"
  'U`  
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: "Lost In Space" was CLEARLY better
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:57:27 GMT

In article <6532@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>I think it's important to point out that while Lost in Space did NOT have
>a science officer, Dr. Smith did have a PhD.  Mr. Spock only had a Master's
>Degree from a trade-school on Vulcan.  Mr. Spock was also a licensed
>refrigerator repairman.  So which show had more scientific skill?  Clearly
>Lost in Space.  While it's true that Star Trek has a full time medical doctor,
>it should be noted that June Lockheart was the first Mom in space, beating
>Beverly Crusher by almost 20 years.  Also, June had children that were more
>believable, than Wesley.  She also starred with a dog in a previous television
>series.  Can Gates McFadden match that?

That's okay, Gates McFadden went to Brandeis, my alma mater.

Does anyone else know someone famous who went to their college, or know
someone who does?

Ted "the net will close in five minutes" Frank
-- 
           .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Re: Famous Alumni (was "Lost In Space" was CLEARLY better)
Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com
Organization: SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.172310.24981@hubcap.clemson.edu>  
jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
> 
>  Clemson claims to be
> the first school to use the forward pass in a football game but I have
> heard this claim made by several schools.
> 
No, no, no...everyone knows it was Notre Dame.

Mark
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Presidential UL's (Pearl Harbor)
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:28:18 GMT
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.

It's not that they weren't prepared, they were just prepared for the WRONG
KIND of attack.  They expected massive sabatoge from Japanese-Americans and
defended against it by doing things like gathering airplanes into easily-
defended clusters away from the edges of the compound.  This, of course, made
them great targets for the air strikes.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Creation of the World (was Re: Religion/Science )
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:42:13 GMT

In article <ralph.717540707@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> ralph@cs.stanford.edu (Ralph Melton) writes:
>I have checked this in the original source, Archbishop James Ussher's
>(1581-1656) book _Annals of the World Deduced from the Origin of Time
>and Continued to the Beginning of the Emperour Vespasians Reign_.
...
>... I calculated
>that according to him, the world was created at
>
>	6:00 PM, October 23, 4004 BC.

Would that be 6:00 PM Greenwich Mean Time, or 6:00 PM Polar Time?



Jonathan "Haven't devised a subject-specific nickname" Quist
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: jim@spitws117.sbil.co.uk (James Gillespie)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Network from Hell
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:44:17 GMT
Reply-To: jim@spitws117.sbil.co.uk
Organization: Salomon Brothers International Limited

In article J7s@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG, phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>The ultrasonic ones I remember were cheap, but reliable. You pushed a big
>fat button on a strong spring whose energy whacked something that made a sound
>the TV could hear, but you couldn't.

[...]

>Phil "Well, they couldn't control Froggy's Magic Twanger" Gustafson
>

This thread reminds me of a story my dad told me: he claimed that a
friend of his (spot the UL) had converted his TV to ultrasonic remote
control by himself, but had got the frequencies messed up.  Consequently,
his TV changed channel every time he opened a can of beer :-)


Jim Gillespie ----------------------------------------------------
jim@sbil.co.uk              Salomon Brothers International Limited
+44 71 721 2672             ---------------------------------------------------
           "Dang!  Now I'll have to drink another six-pack!"
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From: bbutterf@digi.lonestar.org (Byron Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: "Lost In Space" was better
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:10:58 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX


Speaking of Lost in Space comic books, I still have a copy of "Space
Family Robinson," a comic I got in '64 or '65, definately before I
ever heard of the TV show.

All of the characters are there, I believe, except Dr. Smith. (It has
been awhile since I looked at it.  It is somewhere in my storage room
in San Antonio).
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Stone Age Sex
	<26502@dog.ee.lbl.gov> <6242@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
	<1992Sep29.161258.979@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 08:03:16 -0500

In <1992Sep29.161258.979@hubcap.clemson.edu>, james joseph lysaght writes:
>ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
>
>>In article <26502@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>>>scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>>>  +> "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>>>  +>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...
>>>  +
>>>  +i don't see how they could tell whether he enjoyed it.
>>>Yep, might have been the first evidence of necrophilia.
>
>Or he could be the first evidence of homosexual rape 

or maybe he did it willingly but then found he didn't like it.  i think
that covers all the possibilities.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: nail in Coca-Cola
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:19:21 GMT


I have heard a UL in several places that someone left a nail in some
Coke overnight and it disintegrated, since the Coke is so acidic (or
whatever). Does anyone know the source of this UL? (Unless, of course,
it's true.)
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH))
Subject: Re: Another Landlord Story
Keywords: landlord .357
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 15:20:25 GMT

billh@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (William J Hunt) writes:
>from the Portland Oregonian, Saturday Sept 26, 1992, page D2:
>
>	Men say landlord used gun a a housework enforcer
>
>	Hillsboro - Daret N. Hunt, 22, and Donald R. Fuller, 21, told
>	Washington County sheriff's deputies that they were rousted
>	from their rented bedrooms about 3am by their landlord, who
>	was holding a .357-caliber handgun.
>		The men said he ordered them at gunpoint to clean up
>	the house.

Ah, but listen to what happened to my next door neighbour, Al,
a retired Paramedic:

They got a 911 gun call. Al and the Police arrive to find an open apartment
door. "Come on in", somebody inside says. Carefully they enter, and see a
12-gauge shotgun lying on the table. Some guy is seated peacefully across the
room. There are a few huge shotgun-blast holes in the walls.

"What the hell is going on in here", demands the cop.

"Well", says the guy, "I told that landlord that if doesn't get
rid of those damned cockroaches then I will!"

Hey, I heard it from Al so it must be true.
-- 
Pontus Hedman			rph@sq.com		{uunet|utzoo}!sq!rph
AX25:VE3RPH @ VE3OGS.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM			(416) 239-4801
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Disco "Snuff" Recording?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:20:33 GMT

In article <5351@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.211126.10616@news.columbia.edu>, lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>Marvin Miller, better known as Michael Anthony, the
>>man who gave away 1,000,000 dollars (tax free) of John Beresford Tipton III's
>>fortune to some poor wretch on each episode of TV's The Millionaire.  (Can
>>anyone name JBT3's estate?)
>
>"Silverstone".  My God, way did I _remember_ that?!

Correct!  You win a frying pan with a coated surface by the same name.

BTW, there was a hack on the Millionaire.  The credits for the show included
John Beresford Tipton III at the end.

obQuestion:  How were the taxes "already paid" on JBT3's generous gift?  Isn't
that equivalent to really upping the amount a staggering amount?

cj "here's our next millionaire, Mike" l
From: sietsma@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jocelyn Sietsma Penington)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "Lost In Space" was better
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:38:47 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <5176@daily-planet.concordia.ca> david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) writes:
>
>  What I'd like to know is why the artificial gravity never gives out.  The
>engines fail, the life support fails, but the gravity never fails.
>-- 

Have you ever tried to act weightless?  Go on - convincingly pretend to be
floating a few feet off the floor...

Jocelyn
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From: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,alt.folklore.urban,soc.college
Subject: Re: Class distinction in colleges
Date: 26 Sep 1992 18:34:02 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Sep26.031012.16572@news.columbia.edu>, gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>In it, he described how when *he* was a freshman in 1922, freshmen had
>to give way to upperclassmen, and it was tradition for sophomores to
>dunk noncompliant freshmen in the fountains.  As a result, the
>freshman had no love for the sophomores, but they were friends with
>the juniors, since the sophomores didn't like the juniors much.
>Similarly, the sophomores were friends with the seniors...
>
>I also remember reading in 1878 issues of Columbia Spectator (our
>campus daily) about frequent frays between newly-matriculated freshmen
>and upperclassmen, particularly sophomores.
>
>I'm wondering...this sort of distinction between academic classes at
>American colleges no longer exists.  When did it die out?  What was
>the social factor that caused it to disappear?  Certainly this sort
>of thing isn't endemic to Columbia...

I've talked with my grandfather about this before.  It happened around the
end of World War II.  At about this time, many battle hardened veterans
were entering college as freshmen thanks to the G.I. Bill.  And they would
not put up with upperclassmen telling them what to do.
 
>
>On a similar note, the recording makes reference to freshmen having to
>learn all the Columbia songs, and indeed, I have seen 1920's songbooks
>from Columbia and other schools that are loaded with fight songs and
>drinking songs, few of which have survived.  I suspect all these high
>school-spirit items died together, but does anyone have any thoughts
>as to why they vanished?
>
That's a good question.  I know here at Marquette, there is a fight song
that no one knows the tune to.  As for the drinking songs, maybe the
21 drinking age but a damper on that.
Bill O'Connor               | In the course of human events, there is
Marquette University        | always one person who will screw things
Milwaukee, WI               | up.
2429OCONNORW@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU |
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: New logos (was Re: Iowa State University Towers)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
	<jeffries.718255022@pv7b87.vincent.iastate.edu>
	<1992Oct5.130412.23933@athena.cs.uga.edu>,<1992Oct5.143431.7970@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
	<00961A5E.AB0B7060@vms.csd.mu.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:22:07 GMT

The University of Massachusetts seems to have used a couple of
different logos in the past.  One that I see on some older things
looks sort of like a 6 pointed star divided into 3 equal sections.
Now, everything seems to have the seal of the Commonwealth of
Massachusetts on it.

My old school, RPI, used to have a logo that was called "the Bullet"
because it had the letters RPI in a circle looking like a bullet (in
the typographic sense of the word).  When I started going there,
though they had switched to the "Rensselaer Gray Bar" logo, which had
the word Rensselaer in red with a gray bar underneath it.  No one I
knew liked it very much.



--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: class distinction
Summary: Silly frosh putting his foot in his mouth
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Organization: Penguins of Destiny
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:06:03 GMT

In article <BvDG4o.q0@acsu.buffalo.edu> v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BILL S. PRESTON, ESQ.) writes:
>it's not completely gone though....my father went to a military college
>in virginia in the early 1960s, and the upper classes were very repressive 
>towards the "freshmen", who were actually called 'rats'.......hazing was 
>common, but behind closed doors. since it was a military school, this 
>type of activity could be considered necessary to build character and 
>weed out the 'sick and the weak' if you will. from what i've heard, 
>things in that particular institution haven't changed in the past thirty
>years :)

And won't, until the U.S. military has female combat officers.

>mike


Seth L. Blumberg          | "Once again, fear and superstition triumphed over
slb22@cunixb.columbia.edu |    science and technology."
On CI$: 76460,1666        |        -- Anton Braun Quist, quoting Ed Whitaker
   > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <