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From: LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:42:50 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Unparsable-Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 18:30:15 SST +0800

Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I will
forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.

Please do not treat this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like
Azizam will always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro
etc ... and please forgive my name calling ... I realise how low one has to
stoop to resort to such tatics ... but if I don't stoop, I can't seem to
hit Azizam no matter how much I swing ... he's just TOO low.

I think the world can be thankful the Malaysian Government do not think like
Azizam ... much more so the Malaysians and the Malays whom Azizam claims to
protect (with friends like him, who needs enemies? Or for that matter, clowns).

I really think Azizam should come down south one day (*shuuder, what am I
saying, I take that back!).  Here, he'll see what racial harmony really is ...
consider the average living standards of the citizens, Malay and Chinese
alike ... here's what freedom of worship and mutual self-respect and
achieve ... *shrug*

One last question ... did UM send Azizam abroad so they wouldn't have to
stomache his stupidity?  I wouldn't be surprised ... :)

Errm ... please direct flames to Azizam's account.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: singaporean's "we" dilemma
Keywords: we
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:19:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.161742.15664@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:
>so my singaporean friends (phd and masters students) started talking
>about the policies that they agreed/didn't agree with that
>were imposed on them back home.
>halfway thru their conversation, a few of us remarked 
>that they defended singapore's actions with a "we".
>do they relate to singapore's policies that much although
>some don't agree with it?
>they reflected upon our comment (more like in shock).
>then they realized that they are a product of the state 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>via propaganda. sigh -- how weak are their minds.
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Weak indeed are the minds of those who are so easily persuaded that they have been products of propaganda.  The fact that your friends used "we" despite
disagreements on certain policies show the developing sense of nationhood that
I believe is currently taking place within every S'poreans now.  Almost three
decades of independence has resulted in a unique S'pore culture (eg, Singlish,
hawker center food, LKY vs GCT, Malaysia Cup, more babies, NS) that many 
S'poreans can identify themselves with.  Hence the usage "we".

Disagreeing with national policies does not mean giving up citizenship.  S'pore
is made up of a variety of pple and no single policy can satisfy everyone, not
in S'pore or any country in the world.  That does not mean everyone stop 
identifying himself as a S'porean when they don't agree with policies.  We 
still call oursleves "we Singaporeans".   WE ARE PROUD OF THAT FACT!

If Roach think that S'poreans are so much an engineered product of propaganda,
then let me ask how is it possible that your friends are able to discuss and
disagree on issues.  YOU, ROACH, ARE HEAPING INSULTS ON THE S'POREAN INTELLECT!

The fact that your friends say "we" despite grievances show that S'poreans
want to and are proud to identify with S'pore, not because they were objects
of propaganda.  I believe that Roach is not himself a S'porean, maybe not even
a Chinese, or for that matter, Malay or Indian or in any way connected with
S'pore.  I urge him therefore, to make a greater effort to understand S'pore
before heaping unjust criticism on our country and our people.  I ask any of
you S'poreans out there :  ARE "WE" S'POREANS PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY, despite all
its limitations and policies?  Let me be the first to answer that :"Yes"
From: vcs_teo@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Important:PLEASE read.
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:13:51 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

In article <1992Apr12.181145.15150@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.200258.54398@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>In article <73635@netnews.upenn.edu>, choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG) writes:
>>> Dear fellow Malaysians,
>>
>> [some stuff deleted]
>>

    (more stuff deleted)
 
>>> 	Please, Boycott people like Zam. They will only create trouble when
>>> there is none. These people are flame-starters that will jeopardize the 
>>> relationship among races. We should work together to solve the problems among
>>> us, not insult each other's identity.
>>> 
>>> 	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
>>> TOM
>>
>>	I share your sentiment about the boycott.  But on the other hand,
>>Zam is the only one who is providing most of the "entertainment" in this net.
>>Let face it, you will think species like that will be spending its time
>>rolling in the mud with other swine instead of attending MIT. (I wonder
>>should the admission officer be sued for neglience ?)
>
>	This poor, snivelling geek, yammering out his
>brain-damage-induced hatred for five lines, absolutely convinced that
>his words were so important that everyone (anyone) would read them --
>what a pathetic sight.  We've gone well beyond the "get a life" stage
>here.  It's time for euthanasia.
>
>	Get lost, you geeky chink
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^
	Boy!!... you must have swallowed a dictionary on name calling, 
	haven't ya?

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:53:55 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr15.070629.4552@leland.Stanford.EDU> azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) writes:

>>Fines are a short term solution.  Education should be the key in 
>>stopping the litter bug.  
>
>True. But people have not responded positively ( or responded at all, for
>that matter) to tatarakyat classes and those Jaga Kebershihan campaigns
>in the media. 

Maybe the "Jaga Kebersihan" campaigns have net been targeted towards 
the right people.  Also, maybe, the media of propagation utilised by 
the campaigns is not adequate.  We often see TV advertisements of
the lower quality kind from these campaigns.  Perhaps the 
advertisements can be more catchy, to attract the youth of Malaysia.
I am not saying the older generation is not worth educating.  What
I am saying is it is probably better to educate the youths for they
are the future of Malaysia.  Also, the older generation usually have
a better civic sense than today's youth.

>As you said, education is key. Tatarakyat teachers should take
>their classes more seriously and motivate their students on the importance
>of the subject. Unfortunately, our education system is too exam-oriented.
>This is one of its big flaws. 

IMHO, primary school should be the place to teach the students.  The
environment of primary schools should not be exam oriented, so 
subjects such civics can be taught without the fear that effort put
into it can jeopardise the students' exam capability.  

>It has to come from the heart, and I think a really big campaign on
>instilling this "sprit" would be a good way to start. Maybe an effective
>TV show (about 10 minutes) with really dramatic visuals to show
>what would happen to the world if everyone of us does not take care of it.

Yeah, I like those Green Peace adds.  One shows what the world would
be like of we continue to pollute her.  I remember one sequence 
where a kid and his grandfather took a walk on the beach;

kid: Do people eat fish from the sea when you were young, grandpa?
gran:Yes, but that was before ...
(he pauses)
kid: The polution?
gran:The polution.

>That's why I strongly support community service groups like the Scouts
>and Guides because one tends to develop a lot of positive qualities
>from such activities.

I was in the scouts.  However, nowadays, emphasis has been shifted 
from developing positive qualities, while having a good time, to
winning in competitions.  Tis a shame.

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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:22:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr15.222246.21076
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.212840.12447@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:
>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>.....deleted.....
>	
>>	I hate to nitpick but the official name given to the October
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>event is G.30.S/PKI, and not G30S-PKI...   :-)
> ^^^^^^^
>
>I also hate to know somebody who doesn't know talk about the case!.
>Just a clue for you S=September NOT October.


The New York Times Magazine, June 2, 1991. p. 61

	"Tension exploded into violence at about 4 A.M on Oct 1, 1965,
when a small group of soldiers arrived at the homes of seven senior
generals.  Three of the generals were immediately killed, one escaped
and the rest were kidnapped."

	Sorry, but you are wrong...The event started on Oct 1, 1965.
:-)

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Algeria and the West
Date: 10 Apr 1992 05:53:40 GMT
Organization: Brown University
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I agree with what Azleena said about Algeria. I think many times,
the West has a very negative view about Islam that is heavily
influenced by a minority of hotheaded individuals in places like
the Middle East. The US media is especially bad about this. For
example, most of the American media has painted a picture of fanatical
Muslim fundamentalists in Algeria, when the Islamic Salvation Front
is the democratically elected government. Compare this to Thailand,
where a NON-ELECTED Prime Minister, with a history of unconstitutional
coup d'etats is endorsed by the State Department because, as their
spokesperson Margaret Tutwiler says, they are confident that economic
ties will not be affected, and also that "it is the choice of the
Thai people". I'm appalled by such hypocrisy but hardly surprised.

I am also bothered by the way the Western media
consistently tries to portray events as non-Muslims against Muslims.
Many reports about East Timor emphasised the conflict between the
"Christian East Timorese" and the "Muslim Indonesians" which is
NOT the point at all! Indonesia, after all, has its own Christian
minority whose religion is respected under Pancasila.

I saw this extremely disturbing TV show in New York where these
people sat around and talked about how dangerous it was that
"Moslem" republics (btw, is it Moslem or Muslim?) in the former
Soviet Union had their hands on nuclear weapons. I don't think the
US or any other country is any more morally responsible than
Kazakhstan.

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SU-LYN SEAH '94  K'91
BOX 109 BROWN UNIVERSITY
PROVIDENCE RI 02912


                 MASOCHIST : "HIT ME!"
                  SADIST   :  "NO!"
From: ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET (C. K. Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Hereditary rulers and Malaysian Chinese
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:37:53 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University


   First and foremost, I am neither for nor against the hereditary
rulers in Malaysia.  I am making the following conjecture purely from
an economic perspective, hopefully without fear and partiality.

   The existence of the hereditary rulers, together with the constitutional
powers endowed to them, can only benefit the rich Chinese.  Of course, it's
not that easy to dichotomize the entire Malaysian Chinese population into
rich and poor categories, but the conjecture doesn't seem at all difficult
to discern.  Who needs business loopholes, who needs logging licenses, are
just two quick examples to cite.  Do the poor Malaysian Chinese benefit at
all from the existence of the hereditary rulers?  Or let's rephrase the
question:  Can the poor Malaysian Chinese benefit as much as their rich
counterparts from the existence of the hereditary rulers?  I don't question
the existence of the hereditary rulers at all.  Since they are there because
of our constitution, questioning their existence is entirely another issue
which I am not touching, nor do I intend to touch.  The purpose of this
posting is merely to remind my fellow Malaysian Chinese on two issues:  (i)
We should stand behind Dr. M and not the hereditary rulers IF WE HAVE TO
MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO.  Karpal Singh may be on the hereditary rulers'
side defending them, but he does it more for his personal political purpose
than anything else, and (ii)  those Malaysian Chinese who would strongly
disagree with me on my conjecture above only prove an earlier point made by
me in this netpost, i.e., the selection bias that most, I'M NOT SAYING ALL,
of you who are here after Form 5 are here because of your wealthy families'
background.  In order to protect your economic interest, you would have a
higher tendency to side with the hereditary rulers instead of Dr. M if the
dichotomous choice has to be made.  It's my honest opinion that the intent
to use the hereditary rulers to check Dr. M's stepping over his permitted
bounds is not a wise move at all.  Such watch-dog function should be done
by the opposition parties, be it be DAP, PAS, or the 46ers, in the elected
Dewan Rakyat.

Sincerely,
 Chee-Keong "hope they don't detain me when I go back this summer" Ng, PhD
 "Anak penoreh getah dan bangga dengannya"
 Assistant professor in finance and banking
From: khoo-siau-cheng@CS.YALE.EDU (Siau Cheng Khoo)
Subject: Re: Moral and Education (Re: Zam sinks to new depths)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:44:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.112128.54503@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.135756.12806@cs.yale.edu>, khoo-siau-cheng@CS.YALE.EDU (Siau Cheng Khoo) writes:
>
>> ... That's why white.
>> collar crimes are always more damaging than other crimes. Any comment?
>> 
>	I failed to see why white collar crimes are always more damaging
>than other crimes according to what you said.  Can you elaborate ?  I
>don't see the logic there.

My mistake in using the phrase "white-collar". My apology. I meant to
say that with higher education, one can get more influential job
position; and if crime is made, more people will get affected. 

-- Siau Cheng Khoo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Apr3.215352.28514@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.215352.28514@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:
{other stuff eliminated to save bandwidth}

   story time---
   there is an officer in my class graduated from westpoint academy
   (much better than officers from singapore i believe), his views
   are so narrow minded and it always makes the class laugh.
   note:  westpoint is considered one of the best military places
   around.

It depends on where one served and how "by the book" that person is.  Since I
was a noncom, I've found that the army has taught me quite a few things: How to
deal with uppity junior officers, how to use regulations to your advantage, how
to deal with difficult subordinates for whose screwups you're responsible, how
to get the best performance out of a team through use of common sense and basic
psychology (without use of threats)...  I could go on and on but you get the
idea.  These were never formal "courses" taught to me but something I picked up
in my 2.5 years of service.  So, a healthy dose of cynicism and a posting to a
headquarters unit is also very useful.  :-)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 17:27:33 EDT
From: Beng L. Ung <BEUBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
 <1992Apr7.000947.10790@husc3.harvard.edu>
 <1992Apr7.190513.29795@athena.mit.edu>

I think you guys ought to watch "Medicine Man" starring Sean
Connery and Lorraine Braco.  It was definitely worth the $7.50.
From: sca-news@slic.cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysia newsbrief 4/14
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:59:42 GMT
Originator: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu

Forwaarded from SEASIA-L
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Newsgroups:   bit.listserv.seasia-l
Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:31:27 PDT
From: Indonesia Publications/Task Force <apakabar@IGC.ORG>
Subject:      More Division in Malaysia
X-To:         seasia-l@msu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU>
Status: OR

    Reuter, Kuala Lumpur, K.T. Arasu, April 14 - Plans to introduce
Islamic laws prescribing stoning, whipping and amputation in Malaysia's
opposition Kelantan state have been attacked as divisive by Moslem and
non-Moslem government leaders.
    Kelantan Chief Minister Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat said recently
convictions for adultery, theft, renunciation of Islam and drinking of
alcohol would be automatically punishable under Islamic or shariah law
in the backward northeastern state bordering Thailand.
    A Malay member of parliament said: "As Moslems we would like to see
more Islamic values being inculcated into the Malaysian way of life but
I do not think a law that prescribes amputation of the hand for theft
will be acceptable today."
    Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's government is concerned the move
by the Islamic Partai Islam Se-Malaysia (PAS), will spark fears among
non-Moslems, cause divisions among the races and harm Malaysia's image
at a time when the economy is booming and foreign investment is pouring
in.
    A major political ally of the PAS moved quickly to disassociate
itself from the plan.
    "Such laws can be divisive to a multi-racial society. We will
challenge in court the constitutionality of such laws if imposed on
non-Moslems," Lim Kit Siang, leader of the Democratic Action Party (DAP)
said in an interview.
    "The DAP will oppose the laws as they are a step towards the setting
up of an Islamic state. The Hudud (Islamic) laws are incompatible with
Malaysia's secular style."
    The DAP had forged a loose pact with an opposition alliance which
included PAS and Semangat-46, or Spirit of 46, a splinter group from the
ruling United Malays National Organisation (UMNO) party.
    "The implementation of the Hudud laws would drive a permanent wedge
between the DAP, PAS and Semangat 46," said an opposition politician who
declined to be named.
    Lim denied that PAS's move had left DAP, whose supporters are mostly
ethnic Chinese, in a quandary. But analysts said it could harm DAP's
image in the multi-racial country of 18 million people.
    Chief Minister Nik Aziz had said the laws would be applied evenly to
Moslems and non-Moslems in Kelantan. Non-Moslems comprise less than five
per cent of Kelantan's population.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:18:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.061921.7944@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee) writes:
>
>In a previous article, sl298028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Cynthia Dawood) says:
>
>>
>>	I want to go to Kelantan.... I want to see the one and only one Diablo
>>in SEA........ 
>>
>>P/S: Funny.. I have been in US for a couple of years - and haven't seen a single
>>     Lamborghini...... well, maybe I sould open my eyes wider next time....
>
>
>My dear Cynthia...the workers in the paddy fields, in this case, are one
>step ahead of you. At least they got to see it ONCE speeding to the palace.
>That'll probably be the last time anyone sees it too...after all, didn't I 
>read somewhere that the customs are only not allowed on the palace compounds??
>Funny, buying a $2.1M car and driving it in your backyard!!! 
>
>If that's not classified as DUMB, I dunno what is, eh Zam??? (No need for
>apologies Eme)


	The joke is on you, dumbo!  The custom officers are not
allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
confiscating the car.  That is what it is supposed to mean.  If you
are going to read between the lines, please do it when you are not
suffering from dyslexia.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.124030.1826@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.055020.3435@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, Cynthia Dawood <sl298028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>> 
>> 	I want to go to Kelantan.... I want to see the one and only one Diablo
>> in SEA........ 
>> 
>> P/S: Funny.. I have been in US for a couple of years - and haven't seen a single
>>      Lamborghini...... well, maybe I sould open my eyes wider next time....
>> 
>	Drop by Taman Tun Dr. Ismail some time. I believe that the "MORE" has
>one.... Also Ferraris and etc... drool drool.....
>

Yes, they're about 3-4 million bucks each.

My advice, get an Alfa Romeo, a bang for the buck for Ferrari like performance.

After all, Enzo Ferrari used to work for Alfa Romeo back in the good old
days before cars became extremely complicated.

>-Tai

-rezal

ALFA: Always
      Looking out
      For
      Another...