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From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:21:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Oct10.205912.288@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX) tempts the football gods with:
>
>Well...the score with  less than 2 minutes left in the first half 
>               VIRGINIA 28 to CLEMSON's 0 !!!!!!!
>
>Looks like Virginia will be seeing a lot more national coverage...

You fool!  How could you?  Don't you know that Oliver's Woofing Theorem
holds, even after the start of the game?!?

Now the football gods will smite Virginia down, not letting them score
another point in the entire game and giving Clemson their biggest comeback
in school history.  

Oh, these amateurs...

:-)

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:25:36 GMT

In <71103@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>I wrote:

>}> How about the ACC:
>}> 
>}> Florida State (6)
>}> Georgia Tech (16)
>}> Virginia (17)
>}> Clemson (19)
>}> North Carolina State (21)

>chyang@langshan.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) wrote:
>}
>}	This is another meaningless woof.

>No, it was a *response* to a meaningless woof.  The meaningless woof
>came from one of your PAC-10 woofing buddies, who was claiming the
>PAC-10's 4 top 25 teams proved the PAC-10 was the best conference.

>}                               I didn't think that ACC did too well 
>}last season(with the exception of FSU of course).

>Well the ACC went 1-1 against the MIGHTY PAC-10!!! last year in the bowls.
>Perhaps only .500 ball against the left coasters is "not too well"
>in your book?

>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
>                                 "And computer rating systems."
Well, the ACC may have gone .500 against a single conference, but what was
the
conference's overall record in bowl play?  What was its record in overall
regular season non-conference play?
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Intentional Grounding
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:48:03 GMT


Hello all,
  There seems to be some talk about intentional grounding in college football.
I just read the article from a PSU fan who mentioned that Torretta may have
intentionally grounded the ball when he was in the endzone.  First of all,
let's forget about the "what if's" for a minute.  Secondly, I have attended
all of the Husky home games this year and I have seen only two throws that
looked anything like intentional grounding:

  1)  USC vs. UW:  Wachholz (3rd string Trojan QB) threw a 15-yard incomplete
      pass to an area of the field, where there were no receivers and the
      closest player to the ball was UW safety Shane Pahukoa.  All the 
      pleading and booing doesn't do a team any good.

  2)  Cal vs. UW:  In the 3rd or 4th quarter, David Barr of Cal threw a pass
      up the middle with no receivers around and the call wasn't made.

  NOTE:  Both these players were about to get crushed by at least 2 UW
         defenders.

  I guess that my point is that intentional grounding does not seem to be
  called much in college football.  Most officials let it go.  However,
  a team must never put itself in a position that a single bad call could
  cost them the game.  In UW's case, the game was too close for comfort, but
  the Huskies made the big plays to preserve the win.  However, you could 
  never have enough penalties called on the opposing team  :)  We wouldn't   
  have minded a bit if those penalties had been called.

  FINAL UNRELATED NOTE:
    Let's quit all of this Miami-Washington woofing.  There certainly is room
  for 2,3, or 4 good college teams in this country.  Let's have respect for 
  other football teams and not insult each other (Washington/Miami sucks...
  PAC-10/ACC sucks/rules!!  etc...).  All the woofing isn't going to do 
  a bit of good to anyone.  There are still 6 more games to be played and
  this is still mid-season.  The truth is, people like/hate Miami, Washington,
  Michigan, Notre Dame, Stanford, Cal, FSU, Florida, LSU, Penn State, USC,
  Texas A&M, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Texas, Forida A&M, Houston, 
  UCLA, and........  You are not going to sway anyone to thinking that your
  team is the best.  Let people make their own decisions regarding this and
  please save all the woofing till January 2nd.  Then, you can say, "My team
  is better than your team!!"  all you want.  But, for now, please keep it 
  a little quiet and enjoy the season.

  My $0.02 worth -->  As much as I would like Miami to lose and get dropped,
  they did play two top-10 teams and won.  The FSU and Arizona games could be
  called "lucky", but the did all they had to to win.  I have a lot of respect
  for Penn State and a team that can beat PSU must be good.  So, Miami can 
  have its #1 ranking and Washington can have no ranking as far as I'm 
  concerned.  

  We shall talk on January 2nd  :)

  With regards,

  -Behzad
   *Diehard Husky fan*


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Originator: tphili@c00383-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:06:39 GMT




>UNC has its own cow college rival right next door to it; 


Lets put this in perspective now.  UNC is a liberal arts college.  They make
lawyers, journalists, pr executives etc.

NCSU is an agricultural school.  But its also the best engineering college in
the southeast(woof on GaTech, VaTech, Clemson).

As I see it(I admit I see it thru biased eyes),  all the UNC grads learn how
to do is blab on about things.  While NCSU grads go into industry or
agriculture and work on the process of making things.  So when it comes to
nat'l reputation, the blabbers will always get recognized ... because you
guessed it ... they blab.(Unsure about spelling of blab, if misspelled,
please accept my humble apologies)

But since this is rec.college.football, all I have to say is 5 years in a row
and all the blabbers will stop blabbing for a while at least.

Please no flames, all in jest!!! :)


Teebu

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: U2 at Legion Field .........
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:04:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.072636.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>Irish Rock Band U2 performed at Legion Field in Birmingham Alabama this
>week.  After the concert, lead singer Bono complained heavily about the
>artificial turf at Legion Field.  He also said that in the future, he and
>the rest of U2 would much rather perform at Auburn's Jordan-Hare Stadium and
>bama's Denny "Grand Slum" Stadium on alternating years!  On a related note,
>U2 guitarist "The Edge" had no comment on being allowed to perform despite
>two drunk driving arrests in the past four months......

    Perhaps he was afraid that one of you auburn chaps had a tape
recorder in your pocket and he didn't want to hear his statements
turn up again when times get hard.  Now, as for how they got the
loan from Colonial Bank in auburn, I haven't a clue.  Also, "The
Edge" broke curfew, got into a brawl, and is rumored to have taken an
illegal trip not at his own expense.  The band's manager assured us he 
would be punished and indeed he was.  In a stunning display of discipline,
a roady struck the first note of the first song on The Edge's
guitar.  The Edge then played the rest of the concert.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:14:01 EDT
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: penn state's "ranking"
Distribution: rec

Hmmmmmmmmm..Penn State played a terrible 24-20 game at Cincinnati.  But wait
  they're playing somebody ranked No. 2 this week that hmmmmmmmmmm I can't
remember but not a very good team and they won 8-7.  Will someone verify
this for me?  Some people's memories can remember 5 weeks back to Cincinnati
yet some people can't remember 8-7 squeakers just two weeks ago.
                                                                -Rob
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl..National Champiom??
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:54:02 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <DPASSAGE.92Oct14142150@soda.berkeley.edu> dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.175510.2538@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
>	tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>
>   Look what you've done! Aaaargh! Now Stanford has no chance of
>   winning... You're *not* supposed to say things like that before the
>   game. It goes like this: you spend the weeks leading up to the game
>   saying how good they are, you show up an underdog, you spot'em a 16-0
>   lead to make them overconfident and then, BAM! 33 unanswered points...
>
>Won't work, guys; you've already used up your upset karma for this
>season.  You'll go up there and get beat becuase you unwisely made the
>decision to use your upset karma points on a non-conference opponent.
>
>Now, we at Cal are obviously saving our upset karma points for an
>opponent later this season.  In fact, we get a few extra karma points
>for having been upset.  I could tell you who we're gonna use them on,
>but, well, that would violate the Woofing Theorem.  

Uh, what where the relative rankings/power ratings of Cal and Kansas,
and the Vegas point spread, before their game in Lawrence?
-- 
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From: sstasuke@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Steve Stasukewicz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:53:31 GMT
Reply-To: sstasuke@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Steve Stasukewicz)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR European Development Center  (FRANCE)

In article <70298@hydra.gatech.EDU> derek@comlab.gatech.edu (Derek Cook) writes:
>--
> Derek Cook                          | Blue Devils Drum and Bugle Corps  
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you heard of the Caveliers from Chicago?  They were founded by my
Uncle.  He was also the president of the Corps but I think he has
retired from that now.  I've been to a few shows and one DCI ( Denver ).
Comparing D&B Corps to College Bands is like comparing the Philadelphia
Eagles to the Purdue *team*. 

Cheers

> 26303 Georgia Tech Station          | Director: David Gibbs              
> Georgia Institute of Technology     |    6 Time DCI World Champion:       
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> E-mail: derek@comlab.gatech.edu     | 1992 Repertoire: Big, Bad, and Blue 


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From: lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:26:40 GMT

>
>I agree.  Miami is not winning its games in the way a #1 team should.
>Just as strength of schedule is an important factor in determining who
>is #1, so is the margin of victory, particularly if a significant number
>of your victories depend on opponents missing field goals.
>
>EXAMPLE #1: Arizona missed a game winning field goal.  You can bet when
>Washington plays Arizona it won't go down to the final seconds like this.
>
>EXAMPLE #2: Florida State misses a game tying field goal.  
>
>EXAMPLE #3: Penn State misses two field goals in their three point loss
>to Miami.
>
>In all these instances, the opposing team lost the game, rather than 
>Miami winning.  Miami is a great team, but they do not deserve to be
>#1 until Washington loses, or if they beat Oregon State by less than 
>seven points.
>

beating a dead horse (i.e. scoreing in the last two minutes to pad the
score like Washington did to Cal) shouldn't factor in the polls either.

THe bottom line is the w-l record.  IMHO Alabama, Colorado, A&M, Miami,
and Washington can all lay legitimate claims to #1.  Washington and
Miami shouldn't be the only two teams being considered.    

In Miami's defence:
- Penn State went inside Miami's 15 yard line 4 times and didn't score 

- Miami blocks a FG and scores on the possession following the block

- Penn State misses a second FG because pressure from Miami influences
  the kicker at the last second

- Sacca played very well in the game (considering it's only his
  fourth start) but made one mistake => touchdown Miami

- Penn State scores in the first possession of the 2nd half, PSU's next
  possesion starts inside their own 15 yard line.

Sure PSU not playing a tough game before Miami this year hurt them but
give Miami credit they put themselves in a position to win. 

I'm sure all the teams that are undefeated and untied at this point can
make simular claims.


John L
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: This Week's Predictions...
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:40:26 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

Here are my predictions for this week...

		Air Force	31	Navy		 7
		Akron		23	Kent State	 7
		Alabama		35	Tulane		10
		Arizona State	31	Pacific		 9
		Ball State	20	Eastern Mich.	14
		Baylor		27	T.C.U.		17
		Bowling Green	28	Ohio U.		13
		BYU		24	Fresno State	21
		Central Mich.	17	Miami, OH	10
		Colorado State	23	Texas El-Paso	21
		Duke		24	East Carolina	21
		Florida		23	LSU		13
		Florida State	30	North Carolina	14
		Georgia		35	Georgia South.	 6
		Georgia Tech	26	Maryland	23
		Indiana		21	Northwestern	10
		Iowa		21	Wisconsin	17
		Kansas		24	Kansas State	20
		Memphis State	23	Cincinati	14
		Michigan	41	Michigan State	10
		Mississippi St.	24	Auburn		22
		Nebraska	40	Oklahoma State	14
		New Mexico St.	22	Nevada-Las V.	20
		NCST		24	Texas Tech	22
		Notre Dame	33	Pittsburgh	12
		Ohio State	24	Illinois	13
		Oklahoma	23	Texas		17
		Penn State	24	Miami, FL	17
		Purdue		27	Minnesota	22
		Rice		27	SMU		21
		San Jose State	34	Fullerton State	 7
		S. Mississippi	24	Northern Ill.	17
		Syracuse	23	Rutgers		17
		Tennessee	40	Arkansas	13
		Tulsa		28	SW Missouri	17
		UCLA		27	Stanford	26
		USC		26	Oregon		17
		Utah		20	Hawaii		17
		Vanderbilt	28	Wake Forest	10
		Virginia	28	Clemson		17
		Virginia Tech	23	Louisville	10
		Washington	31	California	17
		Washington St.	28	Oregon State	14
		Wyoming		25	New Mexico	20

Ali...
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:54:16 GMT

In article 5733@news2.cis.umn.edu, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>|I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
>|an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
>|in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
>|Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
>|the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
>|burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way? Is
>|the 'third Saturday in October' always the most important game of the year 
>|for you? As a Michigan fan and alum, I 'grew up' believing that no rivalry
>|could be as intense as the Michigan-OhioState game. After reading this
>|newsgroup, I hear about Notre Dame-USC and THE GAME between Cal and Stanford.
>|
>|What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>|they as intense to both teams?
>|
>|-bob
>|-- 
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|Bob Milius                                        milius@lenti.med.umn.edu


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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Washington skips Rose?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:22:50 GMT

n9041679@janice.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:

>"That cruddy bowl game" is so steeped in glorious tradition it's become more
>american than apple pie. It also pays the most (though this may change very
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please indicate where things are your humble opinion.

>arguing over who's #1 at the end of the season. 

>-Brian Harper

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OU vs. tx
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: Arco.1992Oct7.153707.14358
Distribution: usa
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company

In article <1992Oct6.124611.23629@dvorak.amd.com>, chrisk@nucleus.amd.com
(Chris Kosh) VOMITS:

> Would someone in this newsgroup please pass the word to the
> peons in oklahoma that its time once again.  Let them know to
> go ahead and begin talking because they simply cannot beat a 
> team from a superior state, regardless of talent, tradition,
> ranking, or record.
> 
> 
> See ya in Dallas, if you can find your way and the telegraphs
> get the message that far.
> 
> 
> 		For the fourth year in a row, 


Let's see if texas wins it on the field as well as the mouth.
You sips put out more vomit than any body I've ever seen.	

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: AP/UPI Polls?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:14:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Can someone post the AP/UPI Polls for this week?

Thanks,


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: SportSouth Triple-Header Saturday
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:10:42 GMT

Those who have access to SportSouth have an opportunity to see three good I-AA 
games Saturday:

James Madison at Georgia Southern
Marshall at the Citadel
Eastern Kentucky at Middle Tennessee (I think).

Unfortunately, I now live in the great midwest, and cannot see this.  I am not 
quite sure about that third game.  I am going on second hand information.  I 
thought I would remember the lineup, but I didn't. (I hate it when that 
happens).

PDunn
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:59:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) wrote:
}Well, there you have it.
}
}3-1 beats 2-2.

There you have it - either you can't count or you don't know who is
in the ACC. 

The ACC's bowl record last year was 1-3, not 2-2.

As to the 3-1 beats 2-2 (or 1-3), nobody said that ACC was as strong
as the PAC-10 last year.  It wasn't - last year was an average year
for the league on the whole and a subaverage year in bowls. 

(Of course, in the important bowl game Georgia Tech beat Stanford,
which is perhaps why Ms. Yvonne is so intent on putting down the
ACC? ;-> )

This year is a different matter entirely, since the ACC has added 
Florida State and may be stronger down the line as well.  It's a
bit early to tell, but all this PAC-10 R00LZ!!! stuff is incredibly
tiresome.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
                                 "And computer rating systems."
From: ds4@soc12.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.161510.2632@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
|> Get a clue!  Everyone is sick of Miami's fans whining about this.  I have
|> a tape of the game you are thinking of, and if anyone were to rewatch this
|> game with an objective mind, he would realize that if anything, Miami had
|> several more calls go their way (that had a direct impact on the score and
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> momentum) than against them.  Give it a goddam rest!  Just about every net

I am not going to try and be kind, as it seems that you used not tact.  I think
you are lieing.  Tell me, Matt, what calls went their way.....or, as you say
below,  are you a 'jerk', and an 'idiot', which lies on the side?

|> reader could start posting about lost national titles due to perceived bad 
|> calls on their respective teams!
|> 
|> By the way, you are only confirming the opinions of most people that Miami
|> fans are jerks.  I feel sorry for those who don't deserve this label, only
|> to get it anyway because of idiots like you.
|> 
|> Matt
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
|> mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
|> "Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

-ds4