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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Lefties and Education in UP
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:53:06 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Soc.Culture.Indian
Summary: Lefties and education
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>
>Since the BJP came to power in Uttar Pradesh many social projects
>were undertaken. To improve the educational standards the govt.
>had taken different measures. As part of that an Ordinace was
>issued banning the COPYING in examinations. 

>Though students who were accustomed to this corrupt practice were
>effected, those who have been sincere were more than happy to
>write the Exams. Even Parents are also happy at this new change.

>It has been a practice for the Goondas, and students to get
>certificates,The POLICE has registered cases on 13,753  students.
>And the High Court has ordered that these students cannot be
>Punished. This has come as relief to these students.  Though
>Middle Class people are welcoming these changes, some
>Educationists with leftist leanings have condemned these acts.

True leftist attitudes? All students should receive a set of the
question paper as education is free for all:) Students should not
pay a price by making an effort to gain knowledge.

Redefining education in a socialist environment? Long live these
new radical lefties.

Politics is the cause of most ignorance.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:34:18 GMT


>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"
>
>Charter:
>This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub continent
>that have a interest in the Urdu Language and its rich poetry collections.

NOoooooooooooo! 

It is *NOT* required as soc.culture.pakistan is already there. The cultural
news groups are proper place to discuss literature. Moreover, Urdu hardly
has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to 
English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.

What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally 
retarded neurotic sexophiles who could not see any thing beyond wine and 
woman. What is there to discuss about such rubbish in a separate news group?

Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. Other than a single
"Gazal" style borrowed from Persian what is there in Urdus so called 
Poetry? Other than talking about *women and women and women* what does it 
talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature 
in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).

>Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.
>
>Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts within
>the subcontinent

Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and 
Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions 
of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of 
traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
body covering clothes or Purdah. 

Forget it. If you need to discuss the poetry. You can discuss on SCP or SCI.

B. Kumar
From: rdiwakar@HP-UX (R Diwakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test please ignore.
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:39:16 GMT


          This is a test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Visa to Canada ? Query
From: venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:40 MST  
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Does one have to apply for a visa to visit Canada for a few days ? (for a
conference if that makes any difference).  Person concerned (my wife) is 
on a F-1 multiple entry visa. 

Any and all information will be appreciated. Please e-mail your responses.

Thanks,
-ramesh
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shafer@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer OFA)
Subject: Re: Speeding Ticket
Keywords: Speeding 
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:56:35 GMT

uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:

>In article <1992Sep11.175937.28678@ennews.eas.asu.edu> vkrishna@cimnext1.cim.eas.asu.edu (Vinu K. Krishnamurthy) writes:
>>My friend from Arizona got a speeding ticket in California State. 
>>Can he attend a class and thereby maintain his record clean.

>Nope.  It cant be undone.  Your friend has lost his `virginity'...
>``Attend classes and undo * it *''.  WOw ! what a concept...

Yes, it can.  In _most_ counties in California it's possible to
attend traffic school and keep a ticket off the public record.
That is, the DMV will know about it, but the insurance company
won't.  This option can only be exercised about once every year
or two, depending on the county.

This won't save any money compared to the price of the ticket, but
it may save a lot of money on the insurance.

The ticketee should call the Clerk of the Court and inquire about
this when he receives the copy of the ticket in the mail.  Actually,
all the information will probably be included with the ticket.

He may have to take the class in California, not Arizona, since it
has to be approved by the CA DMV.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362  NASA Ames Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
         shafer@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
                     Of course I don't speak for NASA
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RSS (MP Govt. Silent Revolution in EDUCATION SYSTEM)
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:18:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Sep08.131822.5624
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Originator: indu@iss700

porayath@IASTATE.EDU wirtes:

In article <1992Sep5.170704@IASTATE.EDU> you write:
>In article <1992Sep4.173157@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
>writes: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The point is whether the Indian culture being projected,which the RSS equates
>> with Hindu 'culture',includes only the non-religious part of Hindu culture or
              (... stuff dleted ...)
>> 
>> -Javed.
>
>
>        Unless we agree on the word cultural aspects of Indian civilization
>this discussion will not yield any conclusion.What I gather from the cultural
>aspects of Indian civilization means the culture of Indian society dating back
>to BC before the advent of either islam or christanity.This goes back to the
>vedas,gita,ram,Krishna,buddha ,mahavir,ashoka etc.All of which originated in
>India and flourished here.I do not include the culture that developed elsewhere
>and made its way to India.

                              TRUE!

> 
>
>I do not agree with the BJP philosphy of forcing people who have decided to 

   BJP never forced a Muslim or a Christian or any other non-Indian religion
   following person to either Shaivism or Vaishnavism or any other Indian 
   religion. BUT ONCE A PERSON HAS STARTED TO LIVE IN THIS NATION, 
   HE SHOULD HAVE SOME COMMITMENT TO THE NATION. He has to perform his duties, 
   and enjoy his rights. 
   ( A CANNIBAL AFTER STARTED LIVING IN INDIA CANNOT SAY THAT HE WILL STICK
     TO HIS CANNIBALISTIC CULTURE, TRADITION AND CUSTOMS. He can do all that
     limiting them to his personal life. HE CAN NO WAY OBJECT TO THE EXISTING
     National Culture, Heritage, Customs, ...)

>adopt other cultures either willingly or by force (in the past) to identify
>with Indian culture.As of August 1947 we constituted a new nation which gives
  
     AS OF 1947 we just got Constitutional Independence and Political 
     Independence. A new nation would be formed only when it never existed 
     before.  India as a nation existed before, 1947 with bigger
     political boundaries etc,.

>one the right to follow ones belief.By propagating views contary to the

     And this right to follow one's belief was there much since ages. That
     is what unique about Hindu Culture. 

>constitution the RSS does not glorify Bhagat Singh or other freedom fighters 

   WHERE HAS RSS propogated contrary to Constitution? WHICH PART OF 
   CONSTITUTION? Why?

-Indu.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: wes4@pyuxd.uucp (25854-stanley)
Subject: What's happened to the priority dates recently?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: regional
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:00:07 GMT

	Does anyone know what the current waiting period is before
a married daughter of a U.S. citizen will be interviewed for
immigration? The reason I ask is that at around the end of December
1991, a copy of "India Abroad" posted the typical waiting period as
being 18 months; but a family I know has been waiting for their
daughter for almost two years, now, and still no word.
	Can the dates posted be relied upon as being a good reflection
on the actual movement of priority dates, but a recent development
has slowed down things? I ask because my married sister will soon
be in a similar 'preference group', if the term is still correct.
	Thanks for any info.
		Wendell
From: sudeep@informix.com (Sudeep Dharan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Questions on Student Visas
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:14:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: sudeep@godzilla


   Hi Netland, 
  
       I was wondering if anyone out there could provide me with info 
as what are the steps that were necessary to obtain a F1 student 
visa.  Assuming that one has already got an I20. 
    1)  What is required at the US embassy in Madras ?
    2)   Do they want to see who the financial sponsor is ?
    3)  What are the chances of a Young Single Female getting a 
          Student Visa ? What are the chances of getting a VISA from a 
	Private University as opposed to a State University ?
    4)  Can the sponsor be someone in the US or some other countries ?
    5)  Do they question/interrogate you at the Embassy ?
    6)  If so, what do they ask ?
    7)  How long does the whole application process take ?
    8)  If someone has been rejected initially, could you inform me as 
	to what were the typical reasons for the rejection ? If so how 
	do you re-apply (or can you re-apply) ?
    9)  If One wants to study for a MBA here, what are the types of 
	questions that were asked ?
   

	Thanks 

	Sudeep
	
	P
	P
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Sudeep Dharan
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:00:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep13.113104.25348@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:

>>Ya right! And you had access to official transcripts of those discussions.
>
>>If you accuse somebody of posting "bullshit" on the net, dont do it yourself,
>>at least not in the same article.
>
>>Samit


>
>Shame!!! Benerjee . Shame!!!!
>
>



Depends on your point of view. For me an inability to communicate in proper
English, ignorance of the basic nuances of grammer, spelling and punctuation
not to mention an uncanny ability to distort the facts would be a greater
cause for embarrassment.

But then, I am not Mr. Adil Shaikh.


Samit


>Bye
>Adil


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: som@top.cis.syr.edu (Tapas Som)
Subject: Looking for
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:19:27 EDT



	I am posting on behalf of a friend. Do not send replies to my
	account.

	Can sombody please send mr the email address or phone number of the 
	following person:
		
		Dr. Raja Ramani
		Chair person, Dept of mining Eng. Penn state, University Park.

	Please reply to:
		svdhara@rodan.syr.edu
		Phone 315 - 445 - 7035.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: chaw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (S. S. Chawathe)
Subject: Re: ASIAN MATRIMONIAL SERVICES
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:01:29 GMT

vsandell@cs.umr.edu (Vivek Sandell) writes:
>A few days back I got a phone call from one Anju Gulati from Maryland.
>She informed me about this Asian Matrimonial Services ( AMS ) which 
>she has founded. She is contacting all the Campus India Assocs to help 
>her advertise this service amongst the Indian studs ( read students ) 
>around here. Most of you guys must know about it by now.

Are these `AMS' services offered gratis? If not, I don't see why anyone
should be doing her a favour by advertising on her behalf.

>How do I know that this is not a hoax? ( she sounds like a decent lady 

I don't know if you witnessed the shady manner in which a Ms.
Anju (null lastname) was `introduced' on the net by a certain Mr.
Gulati, who had nothing to do with this operation until the time
he was suddenly made V.P. of this AMS thing!  And then Ms. Anju
(null) was revealed to be Ms. Anju Gulati.  Oh yeah, Gulati isn't
that uncommon a name, I know, and of course coincidences happen
and chance is everything...

_________________________________________________________________
Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu                                 tat tvam asi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rs@acpub.duke.edu (RAMAKRISHNA SRINIVASAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Gang Rape by Cops in Tamilnadu; Mallikarjun Mansoor dead.
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:33:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Suresh Peram writes:
I cannot express the amount of frustration and helplessness
that I experience when I hear about such incidents.  Why is
it that our police force behaves in such a way and manages
to get away.  Is it a symptom of a major desease that is
plaguing India or can it be cured independently?

It is the well analyzed poltician-industrialist-police-richman-.. nexus,
all driven by the lack of money or the greed to make more. The day things will
change is when an aware population, pays its servants handsomely and seeks
results and nothing but results. No ammount of lamenting, sermonizing or
proclaiming  higher moral codes will change the situation. Face it, a well fed
happy cop is more likely to do his job with sincereity than one who knows that
batting eyelids will put that needed Rs 100 in his pocket.

Ramakrishna Srinivasan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:38:04 GMT

dhar@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sanjay Dhar) writes:

>>>Some of the first acts of terrorists was to close down all movie theatres,
>>>and bars with actual violence like coming in and breaking all liquor bottles 
>>>and threatening the owners.

>>The freedom fighter/terrorists aligned with religious party had done this.

>>But they started doing this only in the last few years when their wish
>>remained unheard for many decades.

>Does that justifies murder and terror ????

Yes, it does not. They remained suppressed by Indo-Pak army for many years
and now they have decided  " do or die" policy.
No one can suppress them except the freedom from both land.

>I am a Kashmiri and in no way was i suppressed and want kashmir as part of 
>india. If there was any discrimination in Kashmir it was being practiced by 
>the muslims against the hindu's, in terms of state employment & admission to 
>medical & engg colleges.



Everywhere minority is suppressed by the majority. Go to all over India,
travel to Pakistan. It is unfortunate that everywhere Crows are Black.


Bye
Adil

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
Subject: Re: Fixation with Tall, dark handsome types
Keywords: interracial
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.214403.21461@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tolia@flash.ecn.purdue.edu (Anish Arun Tolia) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.044620.14686@massey.ac.nz> J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:

[Hajjar stuff deleted ...]

>>
>Why must I agree with a bands political and social ideology to appreciate their
>music? Except for one song (One in a million), the rest of GNR music is not racist at
>all. Besides, Slash is even half black. This is like saying you won't listen to 
>Clapton because you are against drug use(remember Cocaine?).

Hello, excuse me ....

Please listen to Cocaine, making sure you pay attention to the lyrics.
It in no way condones substance abuse. In fact, I would say it has
an anti-cocaine message ....

Can move this discussion to e-mail medium if you like ...

>
>>John Ainikkal
>
>Anish (Politically Incorrect....and Proud of it!)
>Purdue University- Land of the Politically Incorrect!

**sridhar**
Ohio State University-Land of cows, bulls, and puppy dog tails ...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rks5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rajesh K Sah)
Subject: Ride from Boston to New York City on Sep 19-20th weekend
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: nyc
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:10:01 GMT


If anyone is driving down to New York City from Boston on the weekend
of Sep 19th and Sep20th and has space to accomodate another guy to
share the expenses of the trip, I would appreciate a ride!
Please send mail to me at

s9263@bunny.gte.com  or   rajesh@ieor.columbia.edu

or call me at (617)-787-6076 (Home)  or (617)-466-2168 (Work).

- Rajesh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign (Why no one has answered?)
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:46:06 GMT

anand@taj.rice.edu (Anand Dabak) writes:

>I have been following Mr. Adil's articles for a while.
>Surely he has raised some questions which may be worth answering.
>I do not think I have any answers, but I think I can add some more questions, may be more fundamental 
>in nature which may help us in understading the problem and probably give answers to some of his questions.
>I do not understand when you say that Kashmir is a colony of India. 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Because the land is made one of India/Pakistan's state against
Kashmiri's wish.

>Yes, taking a simplistic view, it makes sense that OK, India is different from Kashmir (you will show 
>N number of points to show the Cultural/Ethnic differences between "Indians" and Kashmiris.)
>But I think that is not all. Giving a definition for Pakistan may be simple, but how do you 
>define India? India is like a quilt, made up of patches. It does not have an identity of its 
>own, independent of its parts. Culture from my state contributes to the culture of India 
>as much as culture from Kashmir. If India were a religious state then OK I could understand that 
>you can separate Kashmir. But as of now, it is not and it will not be in the near future.
>So, a fight for independence of Kashmir jeopardizes the very existence of India.
                                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By suppressing Kashmiri movement India is forgetting the days it had passed
in the British time.

>There may be some problems in the Govt. of India, I agree, but I do not beleive that 
>separtion of Kashmir (and in turn breaking up of India over some period of time ~ 40 more years 
>say) will help the problem.


Bye
Adil

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: news@ugle.unit.no (Deep Third Sand)
Subject: girl pigs have no 
Followup-To: manjula
Keywords: plot
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:15:09 GMT

bye bye
sumeet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: thaya@solan.unit.no (Thayanantha Balasundaram)
Subject: hey M the dictator
Keywords: formaly
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 11:35:18 GMT

\(ROMAN) sex

\(TAMIL)
"anpu" enpathu oru maramaakum
athanil "paNpu" kiLaiyaakum
"uNmai" enpathu athan ilaiyaakum
"uzhaikkum thanmai" vEraakum!

\(ROMAN) love 
"kaathalillaa vaazhvil kanivu illai
vIramillaak kaathalil inimai illai."

\(ROMAN) work
work dosen't kill people
suffering only kills people

rAmpAda
Boo!
From: prastogi@netcom.com (PARAG RASTOGI )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY (IN DELHI) ADDRESS ?????
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:16:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9SEP92.17362459@meena.cc.uregina.ca> korayc@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>  Hi !
>   My friend is looking for the address of the Australian Embassy
>  in New Delhi. Please send e-mail to REDDYALLI@MEENA.CC.UREGINA.CA
>  if you happen to know the address. Thanks much.
>
>                                           ...KRC
I tried to send you email, but, it bounced. 
As far as I remember the address is:


                Australian Embassy
                Nyaya Marg           
                ChanakyaPuri
                New Delhi-110001 


Thanks,

Anurag Rastogi 

-- 
"God gives burdens; also shoulders"

	Jimmy Carter cited this Jewish saying in his concession speech
at the end of the 1980 election.  At least he said it was a Jewish
saying; I can't find it anywhere.  I'm sure he's telling the truth
though; why would he lie about a thing like that?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India Decides to Set Up Human Rights Commission
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:08:55 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <17224@ulysses.att.com>, bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
> apnews report:
> 	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ India has decided to set up an
> independent human rights commission empowered to investigate
> charges of brutality by the police and paramilitary forces that
> combat militant separatists. 
 
NAU SAU CHOOHE KHA KAR BILLI CHALI HUZ KO... 
 
(for those who don't understand this one....., forget it it's nothing important)

-sergei vodka vibgyor.
From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: MADHURI DIXIT JOINING UT,AUSTIN ?
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:01:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Hi everybody,

I just heard from a friend that filmstar Madhuri dixit is joining UT, Austin,
for her BS/MS. Could anybody throw some light on this?

--or it's just a bull ?

If it's true, then the grad office at UT, will have a tough time to
manage thousands of transfer requests from other schools..