From: sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: HOLYFIELD vs BOWE - POLL RESULTS
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:43:47 GMT
Expires: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 00:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: sxl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Simon Lau)
Followup-To: rec.sport.misc
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

BOWE will NEVER beat HOLYFIELD and here are the reasons why :

1: Bowe's too young
2: Bowe's too cocky
2: Bowe's got too much power for his own good
3: Bowe's jab is far too good and he has too much of a reach advantage
4: Bowe's got too much mobility
5: Bowe's too big
6: Bowe's too much of an excellent boxer
7: Bowe can't be hurt by Holyfield


Well there's obviously NO way that Holyfield can lose.

Sorry John (Vittallo), couldn't resist :-)

**********
Stop Press : I've only just heard from Lee Tokuda (thanks Lee) that
John Cobarruvias is also compiling a poll. I didn't know and 
blame it on the propagation delay of posting over the world.
I hope this hasn't confused anyone with respect to which poll to respond.

Still, if our polls are reasonably disjoint (in people responding)
then that'll make for even better reading.
**********

Well, here's the latest poll : sorry 'bout the short notice
but I wasn't going to do one until John Vittallo mentioned it.

Yeah, I know you posted it early but I only got it on monday
evening !!

Still, from the posts and these forecasts it seems that
Holyfield is the overwhelming favourite by a 9-4 split

HOLYFIELD                 BOWE
---------                 ----
Dan Dreiszus              Stephen P. Twombly         
Wayne Tuiskula            Sean Knickman
Ky (aka hee hee)          Graham Price
Lee Tokuda                Mike Molloy
Christopher raczka
John Vittallo(POST)
Dave Parry(POST)
Charles
Me


The following are their respective comments 
(exceptions are those that have already posted - to save bandwidth)

Any comments made by me will be preceded by a '-'


From: "Stephen P. Twombly" <stwombly@edu.ulowell.cs>

BOWE!

*****

From: Dan Dreiszus <dand@com.intel.ssd>

Bowe starts quickly but, having just dropped thirty pounds,
tires in the later rounds.  Holyfield works his jab but cannot hurt Bowe.
Holyfield wins by decision in a real snoozer of a fight.

-- Good points, Bowe's never been 12 rounds so if Holyfield's
-- still there after 7 rounds then he's got a good chance.
***** 

From: Sean Knickman  <fall260@edu.unl.cse>

Bowe in 6

Holyfield looked like he could be hit in the Bert Cooper fight, and even though 
he came back, Cooper didn't seen to take advantage of the situation.  
Bowe has  more power than Cooper, and he also looked good in his last few 
fights.

Sean Knickman         
University Nebraska-Lincoln

-- Yep, you don't need a hi-tech guidance system to find Holyfield
-- but I felt Holyfield didn't see it coming against Cooper.
-- Those are the ones that can cause real problems for any fighter.
***** 

From: hee hee <nguyenk@edu.washington.u>

I talked to a psychic, and she picked Hollyfield winning
by KO in the 8th round :-)
Well, just a wild guess.
Ky,

-- hmmn, there's always one :) 
*****

From: Wayne_Tuiskula@com.stratus.vos

I think that Holyfield will win by decision.  His methodical, often boring
to watch, but effective style will prevail.  Bowe will get in some good solid
shots but not enough to win.

-- Bowe does have a reputation for laziness but you have to figure
-- that if it goes to the decision then Holyfield should get it.
-- Don't count on it though if recent fights are anything to go by.
*****

From: Graham Price <Graham@nz.ac.otago.gandalf>

bowe to win in the 8th round.

graham
*****

From: Lee Tokuda <tokuda@edu.hawaii.eng.wiliki>

Holyfield by decision
Reasons:  Although Bowe is bigger and a much harder puncher, I think
   Holyfield's edge in speed, quickness, boxing ability, and stamina
   will prevail in the end.  If Bowe tries to box, Holyfield will
   outbox him.  If Bowe decides to slug it out (which is probably
   his best chance at winning) he will leave himself open to 
   counter-punches and Holyfield will make him pay.  Bowe's power will
   make this the toughest fight of Holyfield's career but, when the
   dust settles and the smoke clears, Holyfield will still be the
   heavyweight champion of the world.

-- I wonder if Bowe's not inconsiderable reach advantage will prove a factor
*****

From: Mike Molloy <mmaq+@edu.cmu.andrew>

I pick Bowe by KO late in the 10th
*****

From: charles <charles@uk.ac.gla.dcs>

Ok here is my prediction
I take Holyfield to flatten bowe in the 5th round

        Cha Hannaway

-- I have a feeling that it won't be that easy
-- but after Lewis vs Ruddock who can tell ? :)
*****

From: christopher raczka <raczka@com.ileaf.hq.armani>

Evander Holyfield winner by TKO
*****



If Holyfield beats Bowe then I would give Holyfield a fair chance
of beating Lewis too - but I'm jumping too far ahead :)

This is the acid test for Holyfield. A chance to hit back at his
critics and restore much needed respect.

Some comments : This is Bowe's first championship, how will he react ?
Will he fold a la the Olympics against Lennox Lewis ? 
He's been criticized for having no heart ? Is that just media myth ?
How will it go when he's puffing and breathing hard ? 
Holyfield's been through it but has he faced someone with Bowe's undeniable 
punching power ? Is the Foreman fight relevant ? 
Is Holyfield no longer hungry ? Has the money affected his desire ?

Some things about Holyfield :

Mentally tough.
Good Boxer.
Fast hands.
Experienced in championship fights.
Decent punch but not outstanding.
Good combinations.
Excellent physique but too much muscle and not enough stamina ?
Crap defence.
Chin no longer thought of as excellent.
Will be 30 pounds lighter than Bowe and so will probably be faster
and have better stamina.

Bowe :

Questionable stamina.
Untested chin.
Not had any real tough fights so mentally untested as well
Good Boxer.
Can be a dirty fighter (e.g. against Coetzer).
Big. 
Big Mouth (ok, so it's not really relevant but could psyche 
out Holyfield by copying ALI though I doubt it)
Young.
Power and lots of it.
Fast hands.
Good mobility when fight still early.

Holyfield will be hurt several times in the fight but will survive
each one and fight his way back. Bowe will be looking to end it as quickly
as possible and so will be anxious to land bombs as often as possible,
he'll have some success but find himself tiring from 7 rounds on.
Holyfield will have to dig deep and will show his true mettle in the
last third of the fight as he tries to overpower Bowe with his combinations.
Bowe gets rescued from further punishment by the referee as he is too
tired to fight back. A stoppage win for Holyfield somewhere in the 11th.

There, did I manage to bluff how confident I am of my forecast ? :)

Thanks to all those that replied. Now lets watch/wait for the fight.


Simon.