From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Greece Lost In Each And Every War Conducted Between Greece And Turkiye.
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:00:19 GMT





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karageorgiou@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (Voodoo Man : member XMAK)

>>First of all, several historians and anthropologists have produced
>>substantial evidence with respect to any connection between present-day 
>>Greece and ancient Greece. The prominent German historian Jacop P. 
>>Fallmerayer published a treatise in 1830 and made the assertion that 
>>during the Middle Ages slavik tribes poured into Greece and annihilated 
>>the entire Greek population. Truly, can anyone see any resemblance between 
>>'Gav*0s,' 'Kovas,' and the ancient Greeks who created a civilization?

>If I had a penny for every falsification ...

So your history teacher was pulling your leg on that one, 'voodoo man.'
	
>	What about the pontic Greeks ( of which I am a member ) whose
>language can be traced a coupla thousand years back. No bullshit just
>linguistics. 

Foolishness and fantasy and noise.

Source: Jacop P. Fallmerayer, 'Geschichte der Halbinsel Morea,' 
        (Stuttgart and Tubingen, 1830).

>By the way am I supposed to forget 1922 is it too far back
>in memory? 

You want to be five years old again for an hour? The treaty on the 
exchange of the Turkish and Greek minorities (1923) left no Greek 
minority in Turkiye, except a few thousand Greeks in istanbul. Turkiye 
is no longer an obstacle for 'Pan-Hellenism.' Although the material 
basis of Greek policy is no longer visible, there is a residue, which 
seems to unite the Pelopenisians, the Greeks who came from Asia Minor, 
the Greeks who are originally from the islands of the Marmara Sea
or those who live in the numerous Aegean islands. This residue is 
also recognizable in the contemporary Greek government.

Greece lost in each and every war conducted solely between Greece
and Turkiye: in the Morea in 1821, in Thessaly in 1897-98, and
in Anatolia in 1922. Especially the 1922 Greek defeat, referred
to as 'the Tragedy of Anatolia' by the Greeks, had momentous
effects on Greek mind and behaviour.

The basic document regulating Turkish-Greek relations is the
Peace Treaty of Lausanne (1923), which is still in force. In
the 'balance among equals' provided by this international 
treaty, three areas are most noteworthy: Western Thrace, the
Aegean Sea and Cyprus.

>	In case you do not understand ,I do not have hatred , just bitternes
>disapointment.I have lived the life of a dog , and i do not want that to happen
>to anyone again, not you not Atilla the Hun not anyone.

Well, okay, that's close, but not quite exactly it. It's delight and
simplicity that I want.

>BTW if you want to flame me do it by E-mail, I do NOT follow this group
>normally.

How quaint. You have been arguing with yourself; I never said a word about 
you reflecting your ignorance. Besides, adults must bear the responsibility
for their actions.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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