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From: elg@elgamy.buster.TX.US (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:45:58 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1992Oct4.154926.12121@news.acns.nwu.edu>, by learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk):
> On the other hand, as a teacher, you are required by law to give the
> students whatever is necessary to educate them, are you not? And if they
> have a diagnosis from a medical professional, why do you question the
> validity anyway. In short, you disagree with rather a lot, and it is
> required that you behave in certain ways once the diagnosis is a formal
> one. So it seems you might have an "attention deficit" in dealing with the
> details as ordered by formalized policies unless you are "turned on"
> by them.

Strangely enough, the educational treatment is the same whether the child
has an "attention deficit disorder" or a "did not learn how to attend when
he was young" disorder. I.e., teach "coping skills", small class with much
individual attention, a formal behavior management system with much
positive reinforcement, etc.

This is sort of like the case with dyslexia. Strangely enough, the
"treatment" for dyslexia is the same as the "treatment" for Chapter One
kids, whose failure to read was caused by environmental deprivation rather
than any inherent flaw in their brain. I.e., a ton of multi-sensory
remedial reading work.

Thus I can "treat" dyslexia without knowing -- or CARING -- whether the
child is dyslexic or not. If the child is dyslexic and I apply the remedial
methods used with dyslexia, the kid will (90% of the time) learn how to
read. If the child is NOT dyslexic and I apply the remedial methods used
with dyslexia, the kid will (90% of the time) learn how to read. It doesn't
matter.

The same applies to "treatment" of ADD. It doesn't matter, really, whether
ADD is primarily a medical or a behavioral problem, except to the doctor
who may be prescribing medicine. To the educator, though, the student is
treated the same either way -- small class, individual attention, shortened
assignments, etc.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@buster.TX.US         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908                             Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes in School (Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:31:47 GMT

In article <1999@acf5.NYU.EDU>, cqk5188@acf5.NYU.EDU (Chien Kwok) writes:
> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Oct13.221422.16875@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
> >>In article <1421@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo) writes:
> >>> 
> >>     I'm afraid I must disagree.

> >> [ . . . ]

> >>     In the long run, it's better to dispel all race based stereotypes.

> >Well, this is IMPOSSIBLE..

> > [ . . . ]

> >If that same American looks around and doesn't
> >see that pattern anymore, he would eventually "forget" that stereotype..

> >>							George

> >N

> George:

> While it may be true that if that American looks around and doesn't see
> that pattern anymore, he will "forget" that stereotype, you are making a 
> big assumption.  Your assumption is that he will have the opportunity and/or
> even the desire to meet a large (meaning thousands or millions) number of
> those people to make that stereotype go away ("forgotten" as you put it).

     Check the attributions above, as indicated by indentation markers,
*not* vertical position.  My position is all race based stereotypes are
currently without scientific basis, and therefore should be discarded.

     You've mistakenly attributted Dannielle Wei's statements to me.

> [ Arguments similar to what I've posted deleted for brevity. ]

							George

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Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: Walt Disney World questions
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:52:09 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids

In article <1992Oct8.161627.18501@cs.tulane.edu>, js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan
Silbermann) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Apologies if the following are FAQs.
> 
> If a FAQ list for visiting WDW exists,
> would someone please e-mail it to me?
> 
> We are planning a trip to WDW in Dec.  My daughter will be 2 1/2
> and is approx. 3' tall.  We plan to see:
> 
> 	Cinderella's Castle             Pirates of the Caribbean
> 	Country Bear Jamboree           Haunted Mansion
> 	Mickey's Starland               Dumbo ride
> 	Peter Pan ride                  It's A Small World
> 	Mr. Toad's Wild Ride            Mission to Mars
> 
> I have the Birnbaum _Official Guidebook_,
> but still need answers to the following questions.
> 
> 1)  Too many, not enough for one day?
> 
> 2)  Any height restrictions on above?
> 
> 3)  Any of them too scary?
> 
> 4)  Can we bring a six month old baby on any of the above?
> 
> 5)  Can we bring a movie/VHS camera on any of above?
> 
> 6)  Where are strollers kept while we are on the ride?
>     Are they safe?
> 
> 7)  Any place for kids to take a nap?
> 
> 8)  Any kosher food inside WDW?
>     If not, can we bring food into the park?
> 
> 9)  Any cheap ($30-50) motels ANYWHERE close by?
> 
> 10) Any other tips.
> 
> THanks. js@cs.tulane.edu


I was just their this summer so:

1) Assuming you will be there the latter half of the month, this is a peak
season and it could be more crowded.  You could probably do it if you get
there fairly early and plan to spend the whole day.

2) I think all of them are OK if an adult rides with her.

3) Depends on the child! Peter Pan goes "up in the air", Mr Toad has some
dark stuff, Haunted Mansion has some "spookie stuff", Dumbo goes in
circles!

4) I think you can.  If not, you can do a baby switch - all get in line,
and one waits while the others go, and at the end you switch the baby, and
the one who sat out gets to go without waiting in line all over again.

5) Preety sure move camera is ok for all of these, but no lights allowed in
Country Bear.

6) Strollers are parked outside, and pretty safe (along with the hundreds
of others!)  I would strongly suggest a stroller (rent for $6.00) for the
2.5 YO, or she will get too tired too soon!

7) Not really!

8) If you order in advance (24 hours I think) you can get airplane trays at
almost any of the full serve "sit-down" restaurants.  I'm pretty sure all
(at least most) of the ice cream is Kosher.  They say that you can't bring
food in, but we did (Kosher!) - Just put it in you diaper bag, or in "fanny
packs".  Even drinks are $$$$ ($2/coke!), so try freezing some juice boxes
the night before - they are great for the kids!

9) Don't know!  We stayed at the Lake Buena Vista Residence Inn (marriot)
with an Entertainment book coupon for $67 - great, full kitchen (micorwave,
stove, fridge!), bedroom, etc.

10) Enjoy!

 Let me know if I can answer any other questions (by mail, I don't normally
read this group)

Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:24:40 GMT

lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:

> 
> Girls *do* get attacked on school playgrounds often
> enough.  I personally was attacked from first through
> eighth grade.  I fought back every time, and made
> sure no blow went unreturned, but my attackers both
> outweighed me (I had skipped a grade) and outnumbered
> me.
> 
> Lynn Gazis-Sax

Are you sure your memory is accurate on this?  My impression was
that anybody who fought back wasn't bothered again.  Did two or
more heavier girls  repeatedly attack you in the schoolyard, get
hit back every time they hit you, and keep coming back?

Is it possible that either you didn't hit very hard or that you
were doing something that made them dislike you.

--
Richard Carlson
Internet:              rc@depsych.gwinnett.COM
Bangpath:              {rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!depsych!rc
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes in School (Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:23:18 GMT

-
     Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed something else in
Hiro's original posting which *really* bothered me.

In article <1421@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo) writes:
> 
> For example, I
> live in the South, where to this day, blacks are still looked down on by many
> caucasians.  However, because I walk and talk just like any other American,
> I've been told by several that they don't really view me as Asian-American. 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> But they KNOW that I am..... They are more willing to view Asian-Americans as
> "equals" or "peers" than someone of an African-American heritage.

     They don't really view you as Asian-American because ***they know
Asian-Americans aren't real/normal Americans***, and you seem pretty
normal/American to them.  You may take it as a compliment, but I'd be
insulted.  A real American doesn't have to have a white skin.

							George


PS: Then, of course, what do you expect of someone who still looks down
on blacks just because of his color.

----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25577 soc.culture.asian.american:9477
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 18:04:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <3717@master.CNA.TEK.COM> <1992Oct7.175954.8650@nynexst.com>
  <1992Oct8.012353.8327@jetsun.weitek.COM>

I wonder what they'd do with an Asian-American Barbie doll? "Let's
go to the library..."

Hey cool, we got a Native American to post here.

Only... ONLY 760 out of 800 on math? That's one smart cookie. I want
to remind everybody that Asian women get Math SATs just as high as
white males, and maybe this is a good occasion to ask why this is so.

Amy Tan was another Asian American woman who got 99th percentile Math
SAT's, but she was able to buck her parent's wishes and become a writer
so that she could do her best-seller.

It's too bad more Asians don't go into Law. I think this whole bit that
Asians aren't any good at it because of English is a load of crap. Most
of it is logic, or twisting logic, like fuzzy math. I think that if Asians
attacked it like they attack engineering, the Asians could give the Jews
a run for their money in the too-many-lawyers department. Asians are now
3-4% of law school students, equal to the population, and growing fast.
I would have made a great lawyer, but now I'm just a very good software
engineer. My verbal SAT was "only" 650 vs. my 720 math, and I did't even
go to a particularly good high school where they use big vocabularies.

So I went to MIT. BTW, MIT is in the top 20 feeders for law schools for 
Asians, but not for any other racial group.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Kids and Summer...What to do? 
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:19:44 GMT


Well my baby just started Kindergarden and although I have worked full time
since she was 8 weeks old I find myself wanting her to have a summer more like
I used to have than Summer in a Daycare center.  Does anyone have any great 
ideas that have worked for you.  We live in Laguna Beach California and while
we could get an aupair for the summer our location .4 mi from the Beach means
that Real Estate is VERY high and therefore we live in a 2 bedroom house.  She
is too young (in my opinion) to go away to camp and anyway that would only be
for a week or so.  Her school offers summer care but they give the kids four 
of the 13 weeks off and that is more than a years vacation for me.  I will be
glad to post a summary if I get some responses by mail.  If there is anyone
with a kid in the same delima in my area maybe we could find a solution that
works for both of together.  My daughter is a small precocious four year old
with a mind of her own.  Any suggestions?

Thanks oh wise ones,

Karen
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 92 Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:43:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

, zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert) writes:
|> > There was indeed a Major Major here at Edwards AFB once.  At the same
|> > time we also had a Captain Marvel.
|> 
|> This reminded me of grad school.  One of my classmates was in the Air Force.
|> He was Captain Kidd.

My husband is a captain in the Air Force, and used to work in the DEO
office.  (Which for some odd reason stood for "Civil Engineering
Readiness")

He used to sign his memos "Capt V,DEO".  Written sloppily, it
looked like "Capt VIDEO"

Jordan update: He went to sleep at 9:15 last night, and I had to wake
him at 7:00 so I could take him to daycare.  He's 12 weeks old
already--he is growing up fast--and he weighs over 15 pounds--what a
mega-baby!!!  (And he finally managed to pee on his dad while Dad
changed his diaper--his aim is getting better :-)

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division

I used to work for a guy at IBM named Glen Schmuck!!  I can't even
image the amount of ribbing he took.  Luckily, he was a nice guy...
not a SCHMUCK!!!

Kirsten Werne
Mom to Alexander, 16 months and ??? due 4/9/93
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Late roll over
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:23:13 GMT

In article <7042@transfer.stratus.com> pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.183301.8141@research.nj.nec.com> sunita@research.nj.nec.com (Sunita Hingorani) writes:
>>Hi,
>>  My son who will be 5 months on the 16th hasn't shown any signs of rolling
>>over.  Has anybody else had similar experience?  Can it indicate a problem?
>>
>>Thanks....
>>
>>sunita
>
>
>Relax, it probably means he doesn't feel like rolling over yet.  My 
>oldest son rolled over at about 4 months, but my second son didn't
>roll over until he was 6 1/2 months old -- he was a late walker, too.

My son was late in rolling over too. In his case it was that he has such
broad shoulders it was just too much work. He did manageit one direction
when he was about 4.5 months, but didnt do it much. He didnt handle the
other direction until he was 6+ months, and a week later he was crawling.
He never went thru that stage of rolling around the house.

Alot of time your childs body type will effect his/her development.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Subject: More Stain removal questions
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:41:07 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3094]: caesar

 I just received my copy of the *One Step Ahead* catalog. It has a product
 in it called "Mary Ellen's Bye-Bye Baby Stains".
 1) Does it work (it's expensive)
 2) Can it get rid of stains that have been "set-in" by the dryer?
 3) Does anything get rid of stains "set-in" by hte dryer?

Kids clothes are too expensive today to throw-out because of stains.
Your help is appreciated.

P.S. Thanks to all who replied about my questions on  Disney World.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breast Feeding + 4 Teeth = Ouch!
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:11:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>murray@media.mit.edu (Robert Murray) writes:
>> Kate is teething, and she maybe using the breast as a teether. She is not
>> mad at Lucy, because every time she does it, she has a sweet angelic
>> smile on her face. Lucy says "No! don't do that" sharply and puts Kate
>> down on the floor, so as to tell her that she cannot feed at the breast
>> if she is going to bite. Kate continues to smile and crawls away to play.

Kate has learned that if she bites Mom, then Mom puts her down and she
doesn't nurse any more.  Could it be that she has learned "bite" =
"done eating"?  Perhaps biting should cause undesired consequences
rather than freedom to go play (confinement to a playpen, being held
away from mom so she can't do anything fun, or whatever your "no"
might be).

Good luck (and if this or something else works, please post--I may
need it myself in some months...)

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Supreme Court hears Forfeiture case
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:57:25 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

If I understand the 10/14/92 USA Today article (page 4A) correctly, the
Supreme Court heard oral arguments this Tuesday in U.S. vs. Buena
Vista, which is billed as "the first major test of broad forfeiture
laws put on the books over the past decade".

A ruling on the case is not expected until early 1993.

Any information on this case is appreciated.

Quote of the day:  when Justice Dept. lawyer Amy Wax told the Court
that the government wouldn't take homes from innocent people, Justice
Scalia replied "I know you're very generous and wouldn't do it, but
we're talking law, not policy."

I'd just like to hear whether Amy Wax agrees with "You are innocent
until proven guilty".  Forfeitures often happen in absence of
convictions.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Carjacking as a federal offense
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:05:25 GMT

In article <a0p402vw25py01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>
>"2119.  Carjacking
>  "(a) Whoever, by force and violence, or by intimidation, takes or
>attempts to take a motor vehicle, that has been transported, shipped, or
>received in interstate or foreign commerce, from the person or presence
>of another,  shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than
>15 years, or both."

So, I suppose intimidation can no longer be used to repossess cars?

And, would a sheriff, with a state court order to repossess the car,
be permitted to use force to enforce that order?
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: rpc@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert P Chauvin)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: taking someone to court...(debt)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 13:52:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1b9vemINNp9n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes:
>Others said
>{ex-squeeze owns $$, have note. Afraid that if he tries to
>collect, she'll go Chap. 11 or such}
>
>What are the laws on waiting? She may be broke now, but in 1, 2,
>n, years she might not be. 
>
>How long can he wait before forcing the issue?

I was told 6 years from the date the promissory note was signed.







Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship,rec.arts.tv
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's Freedom of Speech ( was Re: SNL - Oct 3, Latest on Sinead reaction
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:49:31 GMT
Followup-To: misc.legal

As quoted from <1992Oct7.162814.1220@Princeton.EDU> by egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges):

> In article <1992Oct7.133100.10766@linus.mitre.org> jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz) writes:
> >
> >
> >I find it mildly amusing that S(k)in(h)ead wouldn't appear on SNL with
> >Andrew Dice Clay because of how "offensive" she found him, and now she
> >may be banned from SNL for being offensive herself.
> >
> The Cute Bald Chick didn't refuse to appear with ADC because she found
> him offensive, but because she found him wrong.  Andrew Dice Clay

As an example of sophistry, this is nothing short of historic.  And to top it
off, you change the subject from the tone deaf Cenobite, to some unidentified
cute female....

> attacks people who can't hit back (women, gays, and so forth) to make a
> buck.  Sinead attacks powerful people including Margaret Thatcher and

Gays seem to hit back just fine these days.  Of course in order to be useful
tools for you, they must be objectified just as you objectify Blacks and
women....

> John Paul who have countless ways of hitting back, such as mobilizing
> the Daily News and New York Post to boycott future appearances.  Sinead
> criticises what she believes to be the real oppression of people by
> powerful political and religious forces, oppression that I understand
> she experienced prior to becoming successful (and it may well continue
> now.)  Andrew Dice Clay is a mere successful bully.

...make that a talentless bully, just as the Cenobite is a talentless harpy.
Your apparent wish is to have one talentless cypher oppress the other....

> Hope this helps you understand the difference.

It was as clear as mud.

No change of course....



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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Leonard Levy, "Original Intent", etc.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:49:14 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct8.062730.1821@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> In article <3725@execu.execu.com> dont@execu.execu.com (Don Thompson) writes:
> >
> >How/Why does the word "people" have a different 
> >meaning in the First Amendment than the Second? What do you base this on? 
> >How do you reconcile this with the several Supreme court opinions
> >stating explicitly that the term People means everyone ( more or less ).
> 
> Okay, I get it: you folks are trying to tell me that it's a bad idea, when
> posting a response that's cross-posted to talk.politics.guns, to write
> long sentences. Consider the lesson learned.
> 
> Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person

The problem isn't long sentences -- it's that the position that
they THINK you took is one that is commonly taken by gun control
sorts.  I'm beginning to think that this problem is surprisingly
widespread on USENET -- people have heard certain phrases used so
often, that even similar combinations of words cause irrational
responses, rather than careful parsing of the sentence.  (I've
certainly had this problem with my postings about sexual orientation
and child molestation -- there are homosexuals who just KNOW that
I'm saying that all homosexuals are molesters, even though I
have NOT said that, and have explicitly rejected such a formulation.  
The problem is that they are so sensitized on the subject, they 
are assuming that they know what I'm saying, because they recognize 
a few words in a sentence that look familiar and irksome).
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: misc.legal