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From: Mohaghegh
Subject: Re: The Baha'i prespective on the future of Iran
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Organization: None
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:33:07 GMT

hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com writes:
>one line deleted
> "Let nothing grieve thee, O Land of Ta (Tihran) [This is the manner by
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> which Baha'u'llah addresses Iran in His Writings. KH] ......
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From (Tihran) it is obvious that he talks about Tehran and not Iran.
Typical of Mr. Hakim; using every opportunity to promote something
which is not promotable. He adds his own interpretation, his own words
and finally his own wisdom to show something false is true.
Mohaghegh




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Persian Music
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:18:39 GMT

In article <18627.2aad38a6@levels.unisa.edu.au> 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

>3) Is there texts available for PERSIAN MUSIC ?

Jean During, et. al., "The Art of Persian Music."  (Price: $50.00).

The book comes with a CD.  It deals with Persian music
in the context of Persian culture.  So, it contains nice 
photographs/explanations of other forms of Iranian art.  It
also answers some frequently asked questions, such as:  why does 
Persian music seems sad? 

I haven't read the book yet.  I have ordered it through my
college bookstore and expect to receive it soon.  I ordered
the book after I watched an interview with one of its authors,
Jean During.  He is a Frenchman, yet he speaks beautiful Persian.
He studied music in Iran for many years.  Then he visited
other nations whose music is related to Iran and conducted
research there (e,g. the Muslim republics of USSR and even in
parts of China).  

The interview was produced and broadcast in Aftab Network.  This 
is an Iranian TV station that's broadcast all over the U.S.
It's really nice.  For example, it has included the following:

-Iranian movies are shown in half-hour parts.
-Programs on Persian music, art, and literature.
-Excerpts from soccer matches (and one wrestling match) which
 took place in Iran.
-Children's programing.

And many other interesting things.  Also, it doesn't have that
many commercials.  The program is 2 hours per week.  It is
apolitical & strictly cultural.

>Yours Faithfully
>Peyam Pourbeik

Behnam Sadeghi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Susan Taslimi and treat from Islamic regime
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:52:09 GMT


I have read that Susan Taslimi, the great actress of Iranian cinema was
in a lot of trouble lately.  It was said that Bahram Biazi (a famous
movie director in present Iran) announced that Mohammad
Behishti(director of Iranian Cinema Foundation) complained that why a
women was the central character in the movie "Bashu" and in addition why
they used the term "Ms. Taslimi" in promotion posters.

Ms. Taslimi was fired by the national Theatre and was hired by Biazi and
eventually she had to move into the exile in Sweden after the ministry
approved Beiazi script on the condition he would not cast Ms. Taslimi in
the lead role.

I was wondering that maybe somebody can confirm this wheteher Ms.
Taslimi is in exile at this time or not.  She also played another
outstanding movie named: "TA Vaghteh Deegar".
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Response to everyone
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:53:22 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep11.180919.15037@ecst.csuchico.edu> vforo@ecst.csuchico.edu (ROMIN) writes:
>
>Ramin, this joke for you. (just a joke)
>

Good one .... 8-)  but not a shirazy joke . I wanna hear a joke that has to
do with shiraz culture or places or accent. So go for it , I am waiting.

That was  good though ... 
Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Re: Re: repression
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:58:51 GMT

>15-Sep-92 10:07 bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) Re: repression...

>The presence of guards at polling stations is not surprising (or improper)
>at all.  

Perhaps not improper in a dictatorship.

>(It doesn't imply that the guards can see what the person votes for).

It does when the ballots are green (*for* Islam) and red, against.

>By the way, the vote in question was not for or against Khomeini.  It was
>a referendum on the system of government.

In other words it was a referendum on Khomeini.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:08:23 GMT

In article harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen) writes:
|> In article farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
|> >In article assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|>>1. His lack of experience with reality.
|> >|>>My friend, MKO has actively supported the invasion of Iran by Iraq and
|> >|>>Saddam's regime.
|> >|>
|> >|> Here is the first major lie. If you and anyone else could
|> >|> support the above statement, I'll swear to the legitimacy
|> >|> of the akhounds in Iran!
|> >|> 
|> >
|> >MKO's existance in Iraq is proof enough!   
|> 
|> Using the same logic, I suppose, since you "exist" in U.S.,
|> you must have actively supported downing of Iranian jet-liner
|> 
|> Asghar


If only one MKO member was in Iraq then the your statement is true,
but you can not compare me (Farhad, a single individual) to the entire
MKO actions in Iraq.  Poooof

And I am not here in US to be used as puppets against Iran, but
Sadam enjoyes every second of your stay in Iraq.

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department (415) 7 2 3 - 0 0 0 9  /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.italian,soc.culture.india
From: jamolina@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Molina)
Subject: Alt.visa.US
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:06:52 EDT


To all of you guys with experience or questions about U.S. visas, residence,
and/or citizenship. There is a new newsgroup called alt.visa.us to discuss
this topic in detail. We encourage all those interested to join the group
and help clear up the intricacies of U.S. immigration laws. We appreciate
your help!
From: hossein@ces.cwru.edu (HOSSEIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: A message for Ali Najafi
Date: 5 Sep 1992 21:50:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ida.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep4.055435.4237@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2024@nusunix2.nus.sg (ALI NAJAFI) writes:
>
>
>BAbak joon damet garm. Khosham umad.
>
>Ali.
>

Hi Ali,

	by any chance, are you "Ali Najafi" from Esfahan?

Damet Garm,
Be yAde seh Tofangdar,

Seyed.
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: repression of women
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:37:49 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <rct.f86vp@lab.ntt.jp>, farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.144149.18953@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
> 
>  #2) Unfortunately this perspective leaves one half of the equation, namely the
>  #woman herself.  It is quite apparent that the chador (and roosaree) have been
>  #imposed upon the women of the middle east not by Allah, but by men and men
>  #alone.  "Gar nigah dareh man on ast..."  Indeed, this first line of the poem
>  #says something near to the heart.  I know my God is the God that wants, above
>  #all, for humans to decide for themselves.  God wants us to choose what to do
>  #in the face of challenges, not to run from them.  To cover a woman because you
>  #are too weak to face the challenge of your own rampant sexuality is to run
>  #from the challenge that (frankly) I think yogis, sufis, buddhists and taoists
>  #handle much better than the run of the lot of moslems.    
> 
> But the exact same observation can be made about women's cover in the US.
> I mean there is a minimum cover that they are required to have in public
> by law. It is true that it is much less than the cover required of women in Iran
> BUT the principle is the same. I am not defending any particular system
> here. I am just pointing out that the two systems follow the same principle
> but only degrees are different. Try to separate yourself from any specific
> culture and you will see it that way too. You can say this is the degree of
> minimum cover that I believe is appropriate but you can not say that one
> country covers women and one country does not cover women.

I just want to add to what Farzin wrote.

If one looks at the dress worn by nuns, he/she finds very little difference 
between this dress and that worn by a Muslim women.  Are nuns forced to
wear this dress because priests are untrustworthy or because of some other
reason?  Ofcourse, the logic behind this dress is that a woman will get
closer to GOD if she covers her body properly.  The difference between a 
Muslim and christian is that Muslim want all of their women to get closer 
to their God, While christians considers same only for nuns.     

Btw, a recent survey published in the Irish independant showed 
involvement of priests in child abuse cases to a large extent.  Also, there
was a news that child abuse by priests in Canada increased to such a great
level that the highest body of the catholic church had to consider this matter
in a meeting specially covened for this purpose.


regards,

asad.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Modest Dress
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:57:07 GMT


10-Sep-92 12:24	darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)  repression of women

>"Prevention is better than cure..."

Agreed, therefore men should work on their minds and souls, and let women to
choose what they wear as they please--precisely.

>*If* what you say is true, I disagree with your interpretation.  Men who
>have been raised in a culture in which modest dress is valued, clearly
>don't know what kind of behaviour is expected when confronted with a
>situation in which sexuality is overtly displayed.  On the other hand,

Irrespective of culture, men should treat all "men" with respect and
dignity--whether they are clothed or naked.  

>Men are also required to dress modestly in Islam.  Both men and women
>are required to cover a region of their body defined as their "`awra".

Yes, but are men required to wear a cumbersome cloth from head to toe that
forces them to put it in their teeth if they want to do anything coordinated
with their hands?!  Give me a break.  I say let Iranian women choose freely
whether they choose to encloak themselves this way.  Do you think it is the
will of Allah for women to be harrassed on the streets by powermongering
boneheads?!  I have heard many a story from Iranians themselves of women being
taken to jail and forced to wait for a family member to come and pick them up
to attest that they were not prostitutes just because their hair happened to
be showing.

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit, no matter how you cut it buddy.
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: repression...
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:07:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Sep13.201843.16934@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:


>As reported in "Time" the early elections held for Imam Khomeini were
>conducted with members of the revolutionary guards at the polling stations and
>used green colored ballots for Khomeini and red ones for those who wanted to
>vote against.  To call this a "democratic" election is a joke.n

The presence of guards at polling stations is not surprising (or improper)
at all.  (It doesn't imply that the guards can see what the person votes for).
By the way, the vote in question was not for or against Khomeini.  It was
a referendum on the system of government.

Behnam Sadeghi
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: back with a few jokes , hi all
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:24:31 GMT
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA


Well, you guys are so serious about everything.  So here is a couple
jokes that are already been checked carefully not to insult anybody.

A little boy goes home and ran to his dad to tell him what he has
learned in school that day.

The little boy: "Dady, Dady.  Today our teacher taught us the difference
betwwen "the truth and theory".

Dad: "Well, did you understand the concept my little boy."

The little boy: "Not really!  Can you give me an example Daddy?"

Dad: "But of course.  O.K. go upstairs and ask your Mom this question,
'if someone comes to you and pay you one million dollar would you sleep
with him?'"

The little boy: Goes upstairs and ask the question from his Mom.  

The Mother reply to him: "One million dollar!!!  But of course, wih a
lot of pleasure.

The little boy goes to his dad and tell him about the way his mother
responds to this question.

Now Dad asks hime to go and ask the same question from his sister.

The boy goes and ask the same question from his older sister.  His
sister replies to him:  "One million dollar, but of course with all the
pleasure in the world."

So, the little boy goes to his dad and tell him about the way his sister
responds to that question.

His Dad who was extremely mad, turns to little boy and says: "O.K. Son,
In theory we have two million dollar in this house but the truth (fact)
is that we have two bit.. in this house as well.
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Munafeghin
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:26:38 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>In article <saied.716512300@cwis>, saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>> <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> 
>>>Munafeghin-a zed-a khalqh are known to everybody entirely for their
>>>participation in anti-revolutionary activities against the khalqh-a
>>>IRAN. They are weak and can not propose themeselves socially or
>>>politically to the people of Iran. They are defeated politically,
>>>socially, and more obvious one militarily.
>> 
>> You've got your "facts" badly garbled. Existing records show that
>> it has been the illegitimate Khomeini regime that has been badly
>> defeated in the above three areas. In particular,
>> 
>> 	1. Khomeini was forced to drink the peace poison, ending
>> 	his warmongering and destructive "war, war, until ..."
>> 	slogans, thus accepting a military defeat and forgetting
>> 	about capturing Karbala, Najaf, despite having sophisticated
>> 	Israeli arms.
>> 


>Until now, followers of Khalq organisatiion have been denying
>this accusation that they fought on the side of Saddam against Iran.
>Now Mr. Saeed is proclaiming so-called Saddami victory as the
>victory of Khalq Organisation.

Khomeinism logic at work! Where in the above did I make
such proclaimation?

> Thus, the Khalq Organisation is
>directly responsible for the destruction of half a million Iranian 
>people in the Gulf war.

See, I told you, you have your data badly garbled. However this
time, you showed the "dom-e khorous" of the regime lies. (Ask an
Iranian for interpretaion.) The regime claims only 123,000
Iranians were the victims of Khomeini's continuation of war.

>This admission also proves the accusation
>that Khalqis are playing at the hands of Saddam very true.
>Iranians Governement must try Khalqis on the charges of killing of 
>hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslim on the basis of Islamic Law
>and award them the punishment which islam gives to a murderer. 

>Thank you saeed for confirming these accusations.

>regards,

>Asad.
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Recipe for Reading News of Iran
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:21:54 GMT
	<BtxCF4.7B7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Sep2.170203.13705@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
	<Bu4pxu.11F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <5619@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>
Organization: none

In article <5619@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalaie Hossein) writes:

 #The above is applicable only to news that have room for personal opinion and
 #interpertation. Factual statments, e.g. Exemption from Military can be bought
 #at 16.6 K$$, are exempted from this test. Modifications and updates are welcomed.

There is something wrong with your formula. It is not $16.6 K. It depends
on type of degree as explained in an earlier article I posted. For engineering
degrees, it is around $8 K.       
    
 - Farzin
               
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: IPD
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:29:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Hello  all :

Does IPD (International Product Distribution ~= mail-order) charge for
thier catalog ?  And how much ?

ThankS


Farid Hamjavar
Honesty is the outcome of certainty, while untruth is always rooted in fear.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: IRAN news briefs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:04:47 GMT

The following news is from Iranian TV broadcasts here in D.C. area.
I am not responsible for the accuracy of the news.

A huge explosion shook Beheshte Zahra close to Ayatullah Khomeini's tomb.
No reports on the possible victims of the explosion.  The bombinh happened
on 28th of Safar (last Thursday) when people where gathered to mourn
the annivarssary of the death of the prophet and his grand son Imam Hasan.
It also coincides with the anniverssary of the death of Iran' president
and prime Minister in a terrorist bombing a few years after the revolution. 
Rafsanjaani visited Beheshte Zahra on Saturday.  This news is not broadcasted
by Iranian media.  The bomb was possibly hidden in a flower vase.

A high ranking official of Jahaad Saazxandagi ministry was assasinated
infront of his house in Tehraan.

Ali Fallahian explained the recent successes of the information ministery in
discovering spies for foreign governments.  He aslo mentioned that the
Information ministry has had successes against anti-IRI groups.  He did not
elaborate what these successes were.

Iran took steps in annexing Abu Musaa to Iran by preventing about 100
families to return to the Island.  This even is supposed to cause concern
in PERSIAN Gulf Arab countries especially Omman who has been sharing the
operations Island with Iran.  Iran's move may be related to recent U.S.
envolvement in the region.

Turkey's armed forces infiltrated into Iran in pursuit of Kurdish rebels.
Kurdish rebels were blamed for killing scores of Turkish border gaurds.
Turkey accused Iran for giving refugee to Kurdish rebels while Iran proptested
to Turkey for its military op[eration and possible infiltration into Iran.

In a recent clash between police forces and drug smugglers in Baluchestaan
6 smugglers were killed and a number of others were captured.  Smugglers
were equipped with armored vehicles and communication instruments
similar to that of MKO.  860 kg of drugs were also discovered.

Rafsanjaani asked for the expulsion of Serbia from Non-aligned conference.
Rafsanjaani also met with Yaser Arafat in the meeting in Jaakaartaa.

Mohammad Ali Clay met with the Iran representative to the U.N. and
discussed the possible ways to help Muslims in Bosnia.

A recent shab-naameh in tehraa has accused Mehdi Karrubi with extrensive
abuse of power during his management as the head of Martyr foundation.
The shab-naameh which seem to be published by the Martyr foundation has
asked for immediate attention to the affairs of the family of martyrs.

U.S. couts have ruled a 100,000 dollard judgement against Iran Air for
carrying a generator from germany to Iran some 8 years ago!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Asghar AghA's Music Review - Part I
Keywords: tommAn - band - bandeh tommAn - Los Angeles - lA lA lAy lAy
Organization: VezArateh Farhang-o-honar 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:02:41 GMT


After some soul searching and career counseling, Asghar AghA announced
to me the other day that he is going to pursue his interests in the field
of music. He wants to become a music critique. After all, his ventures
into the world of "vezArat and vekAlat" turned out to be not-too-
successful. So now he is trying a kinder-gentler approach. 

Me:	But Asghar Agha, you can't become a critique. You can become a 
	critic and then do a critique.

Asghar AghA:	ey AghA; critic yA critique. cheh farghi dAreh. hamash
		yekiyeh bAbA. hAlA to inghard sakht nagir. The principle
		is the same. It is the degree that is different. :-) 
		And even then, maybe I will have AghA FarhAd put it
		on Tehran next to khAnoomeh Googoosh. 

As he later told me, he wants to pursue this as a hobby and not a full-time
job, spending some weeknights and weekends writing up critiques of music. He
has been told way too many times not to quit his day job.

Me:	So Asghar AghA joon, what kind of music are you looking to critique?
	
Asghar AghA:	VAllAh, there are all sorts of critics for all sorts of
		musical tastes. I have done some market research and there
		seems to be a big gap in the "vatani - bandeh tommooni"
		class of art. 

Me:	What? Who is going to want a "bandeh tommooni" critic?

Asghar AghA:	What do you mean "bandeh tommooni" critic? AghA cherA
		tohin mikoni? 

Me:	(A little embarrassed) umm, I meant "bandeh tommooni" critique
	Asghar AghA joon. mA hoozooreh shomA eradat dArim Agshar AghA. 
	
Asghar AghA: 	ajabA! Har kesi az rAh mireseh mikhAd creativity mA-ro
		estifle koneh.    (Editor's note: Estifle is stifle 
		                   pronounced with Asghar AghA's accent)

Me:	Man Asghar AghA ghalat bokonam bekhAm shomA ro estifle konam.
	ShomA befarmAyeen.

Asghar AghA:	As I was saying, there are many critics of classical, rap
		pop, and ... styles of music. But I have not read a single
		"bandeh tommooni" critique. So I thought I show some 
		initiative and give it a try. Afterall, this kind of music
		feels very ass-ill to me.

Me:	Asghar AghA! How can you compare "bandeh tommooni" with "aseel"
	music? How can you compare Shajarian's music with the stuff
	that comes out of LA??

Asghar AghA:	bAbA joon, too gooshAt panbeh gozAshti? I said "ass-ill"
		not "aseel". DozAri oftAd?

Me:	(Embarrassed again) ba'leh, ba'leh Asghar AghA. hAlA fahmidam.
	Lotf konin bebinam chi neveshtin.

Asghar AghA:	beppA gom nashe-hA. Kheili roosh kAr kardam.


EdAmeh dArad - means: TO BE CONTINUED....

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