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From: penev@venezia (Penio Penev)
Subject: Re: SGI Dat sold separately?
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:05:42 GMT
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Gord Wait (gord%jericho.uucp) wrote:
: 
: If I could buy an SGI dat drive (without an SGI computer) , could it
: be connected to a PC via some scsi controller, and could I get it to
: work for both audio and data without an SGI box attached?
: 
: I would like both tape backup, and an audio dat, and it would seem
: silly to have to purchase two different dat machines!

That's the question, I've wondered about for a while too.

: 
: If the above is possible, how much (roughly) does the SGI dat sell
: for? If it cost more than a PC dat plus and audio dat, it would
: obviously be a dumb idea...
: 
: Comments?

I'm interested too.

-- Penio
From: trimble@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Gary Trimble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Moving an AutoCAD file description into SGI representations
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:30:10 GMT

I'm looking for a tool (Public Domain, or Commercial) that will take the
output files from AutoCAD and translate them for use as SGI graphics
objects. Please email suggestions and I'll summarize. Thanks.

				Gary M. Trimble

(no .sig... )
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From: melchers@Chico.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE (Bernd Melchers)
Subject: cpp-error?
Summary: incorrect evaluation of #if...#elif...#else...#endif statement
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:56:32 GMT

Is there an error in silicon graphics (mips) preprosessor ?
The preprocessor evaluates the following file as below

$> cat sgi.c

#define SHIFT 0
#define CSWITCH 1
#define RSWITCH 0

#if SHIFT
       shift valid (SHIFT)
#elif CSWITCH
       cswitch valid (CSWITCH)
#elif RSWITCH
       rswitch valid (RSWITCH)
#else
       nothing valid (SHIFT CSWITCH RSWITCH)
#endif

$> cc -P sgi.c; cat sgi.i



       cswitch valid (1)

       nothing valid (0 1 0)
whereas the gnu compiler ( as many other) says

$> gcc -E sgi.c


 		 cswitch valid (1)

Who is wrong ?

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From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Indigo support for MIDI?
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:12:18 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.022412.1@alien.gici.com>, laut@alien.gici.com writes:
> 
> 	So, my question:  Is there a means of plugging
> something like a Kurzweil MIDIboard into an Indigo?

Yes.  Buy a standard Macintosh-compatible MIDI interface
and connect it between your Indigo and your MIDI keyboard.

SGI offers a MIDI library as part of its Digital Media
Developer's Option (marketing code: SC4-DMDEV-1.0).

If you are not into developing your own MIDI applications,
you should look into the products from Blue Ribbon
Soundworks.  They have been offering excellent MIDI
applications on the Amiga platform for years, and they are
now offering their product line of MIDI sequencers and
processing software for the Indigo.

--
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
From: bob@prepress.com (Robert Crowe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: smalltalk for Indigo
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:26:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: prepress.1992Dec11.182655.26912
Organization: Pre-Press Technologies, Carlsbad Ca.

In article <34391@adm.brl.mil> dtr@durer.ppco.com (Doug Rosenoff) writes:
>Hi Netters,
>Does anyone know of a public domain version of smalltalk suitable for SGI
>Indigo machines?  Thanks in advance.  dtr.
>--
>dtr.
>

I believe that I compiled GNU smalltalk on an sgi a while back. I'm not sure 
if I used the sgi C compiler or GCC. Anyhow, it worked. I'm not much of a 
smalltalk programmer, so I can't tell you how well it worked, but it did run
some simple examples. I don't think the X interface is quite as sophisticated
as it might be, however.

Good luck,

Bob.


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From: senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: Re: ftp.sgi.com
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:52:59 GMT

In article <tfo2uls@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com> vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:
>Of course, Silicon Graphics does not promise that the stuff in sgi:~ftp
>will work, not destroy your disks, not make you lose money, or not
>cause cancer.
>
Vernon,

From the way you phrase this, it sounds like SGI promises its real
software will work, will not destroy destroy disks and will not
make you lose money. Wow! I sure hope DEC did buy any Indigos.... :-)

-- 
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(senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu) | from a freight car; but if he has a university
Division of Life Sciences    | education, he may steal the whole railroad.
UT San Antonio               |             Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: SGI floppy drive faulty?
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:59:47 GMT

Hello,

Occasionally on booting my system (an entry R3K Indigo) I get SCSI
error messages echoed to the screen and also to the SYSLOG, such as:

Dec 11 19:04:27 igor unix: sc0,1,0: cmd=0x12 timeout after 1 sec.  Resetting SCSI bus
Dec 11 19:04:27 igor unix: sc0,2,0: cmd=0x12 timeout after 1 sec.  Resetting SCSI bus
Dec 11 19:04:27 igor unix: sc0,3,0: cmd=0x12 Unexpected info phase 20, state 4B.  Resetting SCSI bus
Dec 11 19:04:27 igor unix: sc0,3,0: cmd=0x12 Unexpected info phase 20, state 4B.  Resetting SCSI bus
Dec 11 19:04:27 igor unix: sc0,5,0: cmd=0x12 timeout after 1 sec.  Resetting SCSI bus
Dec 11 19:04:27 igor unix: sc0,6,0: cmd=0x12 timeout after 1 sec.  Resetting SCSI bus

hinv then shows all devices connected to the SCSI bus except the
floppy drive, which is at ID=3. So far, the problem has always
corrected itself upon reboot, and it does not happen often. Is there
enough info here to determine whether the fault lies with the floppy
drive itself or something else?

Thanks in advance.

------
Dale Atems
Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Department of Physics and Astronomy
atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu
From: cristy@eplrx7.es.dupont.com (Cristy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: RLE movie viewer
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:59:24 GMT

In article <jwwondra.724319050@yak> jwwondra@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>Does anybody know of a utility to play rle movies (made using rlecat) on
>an Iris? Getx11 has the -m option but there does not seem to be a similar
>option for get4d.

Try `animate' from contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu (also
just posted to comp.sources.misc).
-- 
cristy@dupont.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: chawley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charlotte R Hawley)
Subject: Modem Connection
Keywords: modem
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:11:39 GMT


I am trying to use a (Practical Peripherals 9600 V42/V32) modem
to establish a slip connection between two SGI machines.  I have
the slip working with an older modem (2400 Racal-Vadic).

I have the latest fix-hayes script from SGI.  The connection between
the two machines is established, the slip starts, the error
I'm getting is

      unix: sl0: dropping babble

I have tried playing with the settings on the modem, turning the
compression off, etc., but nothing works.

If anyone has any hints or ideas (I've exhausted mine), please
help
           Thanks          crh@matisse.eng.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: 2064aw@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (R Moxley)
Subject: Overlay Planes on Indigo XS
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:23:44 GMT

Greetings.

We are attempting to configure an Indigo XS with four overlay
planes.  Is it possible to this without impacting the window
manager or other functionality?

Thanks for any help...
Richard Moxley
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: newgroup comp.sys.sgi.admin
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:34:44 GMT

comp.sys.sgi.admin is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 185:27 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 4 Dec 1992.

For your newsgroups file:
comp.sys.sgi.admin	System administration on Silicon Graphics's Irises.

The charter, culled from the call for votes:

  admin         Discussions of system administration issues. This would
                include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
From: jj@aquarium.esd.sgi.com (Jennifer Jacobi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Borders of fixed-sized windows
Date: 12 Dec 92 10:11:13 GMT


In article <34497@adm.brl.mil>, drew+@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> I'm using Xlib, and I'm trying to create a window that
> will have a constant size.  (The user will be unable
> to adjust the size of the window.)
> 
> However!  4Dwm leaves the window resize handle decorations
> on the window, even though they're useless.  Is there
> any way to get rid of them from within my program?
> 
> It would be way keen if 4Dwm was smart enough to notice that
> "minsize equals maxsize" and then ditch the resize handles.

	
Never ask how "smart" a window manager is -- it's dangerous.
8-)	


What you can do however is the following:

1) In your .Xdefaults file you can place the line

4Dwm*<appClass>.clientDecoration: title

This will take the min and max buttons away as well as the resize handles
around the boarder.  This also works for mwm.  (YOU MUST restart the 
window manager before this will take effect -- this is a window manager
resource.)

OR

2) Programatically you can set mwm or 4Dwm window manager hints to 
do the same thing.

You will find this in OSF Motif programmer's guide (1.1)  page 12-13.


--jj
jj@sgi.com
From: ik3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Xsession errors in SYSLOG
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:16:09 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

I frequently encounter the following error message in the SYSLOG
Xsession : /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession : /usr/bin/X11/xhost :
.lib section in a.out corrupted.

Is this something I should worry about ? I have noticed the
window manager quit on me unexpectedly, but this happens 
only once in a while.

Shankar
-------------------------------------------------
shankar@pdf.tn.cornell.edu
-------------------------------------------------
From: jj@aquarium.esd.sgi.com (Jennifer Jacobi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: XWSH Configuration
Date: 12 Dec 92 10:11:19 GMT


In article <34442@adm.brl.mil>, SUTPHINWB@npt.nusc.navy.mil writes:
> Any special escape code that will allow XWSH to have a boarder without
> any buttons, scroll bars or title bar?  I can get rid of everything, but
> I can't get a boarder after I do.

I am not sure if I understand you question completely.

If what you are trying to do is get rid of the window manager decorations
around your XWsh, then you can do the following under 4Dwm or mwm.

place in your .Xdefaults file the following line:

4Dwm*XWsh*clientDecoration: none
for mwm
Mwm*XWsh*clientDecoration: none



If you want to get rid of all the decorations EXCEPT the border and 
resize handles then put the following line in your .Xdefaults

4Dwm*XWsh*clientDecoration: resizeh
for mwm
Mwm*XWsh*clientDecoration: resizeh


Now restart the window manager so that these resource settings are loaded
in.


If you select "none" as your window manager decorations, then you must always
use <Alt><space bar> over the XWsh to get your window manager menu.

If you select "resizeh" as your window manager decorations, then you can 
use the above sequence to get your window manager menu AND

left mouse button over the border   : resize the window
middle mouse button over the border : move the window
right mouse button over the border  : this gets you the window manager menu.


As for the scrollbar in the XWsh, I think there is some way to do that --
but I don't know about it off the top of my head.  Check the XWsh man
page on your system.

--jj

----jj@sgi.com------------------------------------------------------
Calvin's dad on the load limit of bridges: "They drive heavier and 
heavier trucks across the bridge until it breaks, then they weigh the 
last truck and rebuild the bridge."  Sounds uncomfortably close to the
way a lot of software is written...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: johnu@syma.sussex.ac.uk (John E. Upham)
Subject: CRASHED INDIGO: help !
Keywords: indigo,crash
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:36:44 GMT

I came in this morning, switched on the monitor and nothing. The screen
was blank, the network had hung as a result and when I pressed the reset
button the LED remained green and didnt evevn blink. I switched off
and on the LED came on green and stayed there with no boot tune being
played.

Help !

The m/c is an R4k indigo IP20, with 4.0.5f OS with 48 Mb RAM.

Thanks for any help.

 john upham


-- 
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Email: scsupham%susssys1.rdg.ac.uk@uk.ac (BITnet), scsupham@rdg.susssys1 (Janet)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: amys@TheImprov.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Amy Swanson)
Subject: Re: SGI workstations in the schools?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:55:43 GMT

In <WALVER.92Dec15073151@kielo.uta.fi> walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta) writes:

>        Are the Silicon Graphics workstations (Personal IRIS,
>        INDIGO...) in use in any college as a primary teaching/lab tool
>        in the computer graphics/animation department?

At the University of Illinois, there are several labs around campus which
use Silicon Graphics workstations.  The primary lab is the Renaissance
Experimental Lab, which SGI donated to the UofI and the National Center for
Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) about 4 or 5 years ago. (thank you, SGI!)  
The original donation was 20 4D/20G workstations, which, as of today, are now 
20 4D/25TG workstations.  This lab is used for university classes is areas 
such as computer science, art & design, math, geology, computational biology 
and medical imaging, and by the local community college for a computer graphics
specialist program.  When not used by the students, the campus researchers and
and related students use it for their projects.  We are currently trying to
get the lab upgraded to Indigo systems.

Also on campus are several smaller labs which are owned and used by a specific
department - these labs typically have Indigo systems.


>        How about apps like Alias, TDI Explore, SoftImage, Creative
>        Licence...? Any schools?

The classes in the REL use Wavefront (art & design), Biosym software 
(comp bio), and their own personally developed software.   The problem with 
commericial software packages is that they cost lots o'money and universities 
typically don't have that type of money.  The commercial software that we do 
have in the REL is usually donated and/or some type of special, relatively
inexpensive license is concocted or the professor teaching the class acquires 
it somehow.  

Considering that the software in the lab is exposed to hundreds of students
about to enter the job market, who then may be asked "what software do you
like to use," it's seems a shame to me that more software vendors don't 
take an interest in this type of market.  They may lose a little bit of
money in the beginning, but the PR more than makes up for it.  Oh, well...


Amy

--
=========
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SGI Systems Administrator, NCSA
amys@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: could the rmt hooks be put into dd please...
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:05:19 GMT

it sure would be nice to have the /etc/rmt hooks put in for
dd too - i think its great that they are there for tar and
mt and bru  - thanx for at least the ones you've given us

p.s you've jumped the gun by putting a ref to rmtops(3) in 
    the mt(1) manpage since rmtops isn't avail via irix yet,
    luckily the PD version works ok too ;-) and i hear it
    will be in irix 5.0 hopefully

				fish
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From: gabriel@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx (Gabriel C. Lopez Walle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: crash dump
Keywords: crash dump
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:18:26 GMT
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Distribution: world
Organization: Universidad Nacional Aut'onoma de M'exico
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Originator: gabriel@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx



   Hi:

      Where do I can send some crash dumps from a Personal Iris to analyse ?

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From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: Re: tempnam(3S) bug, possibly on all MIPS
Organization: CS
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:36:48 GMT

In article <BzIxqC.Ivv@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>svec5@menudo.uh.edu (T.C. Zhao) writes:
>
>>It appears that tempnam(3S) is broken on three MIPS machines I have
>>access to:   IRIX 3.3, Ultrix 4.1, UMIPS 4.52:
>
>>/* 
>> * check to see if tempnam has the errno bug.
>> */
>>#include <stdio.h>
>>#include <stdlib.h>
>>#include <unistd.h>
>>#include <errno.h>
>
>>int main(int argc, char **argv)
>>{
>>   char *p;
>>   errno = 0;
>>   p = tempnam(0, 0);
>>   if(errno) fprintf(stderr," tempnam is broken\n");
>>   return 0;

Looks to me like coding problems, you should check the return from tempnam
first, then if it's an error, check errno.  As I recall, errno is only set 
after an error, not if the call succeeds successfully.  Uh oh, some lousy
english there... Oh well.
-- 
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From: kahle@server.uwindsor.ca (KAHLE DARCY BRYAN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: possible games for SGIs?
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:18:01 GMT


Does anyone know of any games for the SGIs?  I have been searching the ftp
sites and trn and haven't gotten far.  If anyone knows of somewhere that I can
obtain some, it would be helpfull!
From: gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Gaumond Pierre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Bug in ls -L ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:54:05 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <tkteeqg@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>In <1992Dec14.190234.25355@cc.umontreal.ca> gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Gaumond Pierre) writes:
>
>| if I do (on csh):
>| 
>| % ls -l /usr/bin/vi
>| l---------   1 root     sys            2 Mar 29  1992 /usr/bin/vi -> ex
>| % ls -L /usr/bin/vi
>| /usr/bin/vi
>| 
>| The man pages for ls say about "-L" parameter:
>| 
>|      -L   If the file is a symbolic link, list the file that the link
>|           references.
>| 
>| I should have obtained "/usr/bin/ex" with the ls -L commabd. Is it a bug?
>| Is there something I did not understand?
>
>The man page could be clearer.  It means follow the link, and get
>the 'stat' info from the file that is pointed to by the link,
>not to change the name that is printed.  See also 'man lstat'.

The idea behind my posting was to find a way to get the full path of the file
pointed by the link in a script in a way as simple as possible.

>--
>Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
>because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
>    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com


-- 
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Help w/ethernet:  et0: late collision
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:57:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec18.155209.17049@erenj.com>, crumrine@pxdvgx.erenj.com (MDCRUMR  Crumrine) writes:
> We recently moved a 4D/420 from a LANmark IBX connection to
> a twisted pair tranceiver, and now we are experiencing errors.
> Symptoms include terminal sessions that freeze, and the SYSLOG
> error message et0: late collision. The error messages are occuring
> at a rate of once a minute.  The network team has certified the
> line and connection, there are other boxes on the line that work.
> Any ideas??


Find some qualified "network certifiers."  "Late Collision" means that
your network is broken.

A "late collision" is a collision that afflicts a large packet after
the first "slot time".   It can only happen if:
    1. some other machine on your network is broken and not detecting
        collisions.
    2. your network is "too big" for the start of packets to propagate
	from one end of the network to the other.

(2) is usually the cause.  The most common errors that cause it are:
    a. violating the "2/4 repeater rule"
    b. using long drop cables on 10BaseT transceivers
    c. chaining too many drop cables together.

Most systems do not complain about late collisions.  They silently
ignore them.  I think that is unwise, because each late collision means
    - a large packet was lost and will not be automatically retransmitted
	by the MAC chip
    - an unknowable number of small packets have lost, with no inidication
	anywhere but a higher layer time out.

Losing packets is not good, whether by late collisions or otherwise.
A 1% packet loss rate on an ethernet will reduce your NFS performance by
90% using the common, NFS default timeouts.



Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com


P.S.  I normally do not respond to messages with lines like
    "Followup-To: crumrine@erenj.com".
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