From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:03:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.231637.10955@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.031309.12258@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.165714.23880@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>>>In article <Bsuu9G.I89@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>>>>In article <3484@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>>>>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>>>
>>>>>  The prison system doesn't reform criminals, parole doesn't work either.  All
>>>>>it does is prevent overcrowding.
>>>>Doesn't even do that.  We need more jails.  We need a judicial system
>>>>that cares more about you and me than the bastards that commit crimes.
>>>
>>>Sounds nice doesn't it?  Feel good doesn't it?  Too bad it works worse
>>>than our present system.
>>
>>And it is incredible that you you are so certain it would fail when
>>the level of prosecution Mike Haas speaks of isn't implemented.  Good grief,
>>we aren't supposed to be NICE to criminals!  Fear of the consequences can
>>be an excellent deterrent, providing that the 'consequeces' are right.
>
>Oh, effective.. perhaps.. Moral?  no way.  Check out Japan's judicial
>system.  Yes, they have a 95% conviction rate, yes they have a very low
>crime rate, and yes, they are continually guilty of human rights abuses
>within this same judicial system.  

How should I check out Japan's judicial system? Hmm?

>Do you realize that if someone accuses you of something you didn't do, you
>have about a 1% chance of beating it (in Japan)?  

So many propositions, so little....
Granted, this IS .advocacy, buy could be have _some_ base for this statistic?

>>>>All we really need for a jail is a barbed wire fence and armed guards at the
>>>>corners.  Anything else is too good for the scum.
>>>
>>>I could give numerous examples of people who fit in a grey area that you
>>>apparently dont beleive exists.  Another feel good solution?
>>
>>You cannot be a fence-sitter.  You have to make a choice.
>
>I don't have to send people convicted of involuntary manslaughter to a 
>prison of Mike Haas's description.  I know its a cliche, but doing the
>things Mike suggests would make the Judicial system as bad as the
>criminals.  Hell, we already have cops crossing the line... Wanna take a
>guess at what will happen if WE have a conviction rate of 95% and
>prisons that treat people like dogs?  Cops and others who abuse their power
>will have even more power to blackmail ordinary citizens.

DO you want to prevent crime or NOT?  Don't pussyfoot around with criminals-
they'll never learn.  If the US had a 95% conviction rate and a prison
system that treated people like dogs, the crime rate would PLUMMET.  By
the way - tha is a GOOD thing.  If there was a mandatory death sentence
for planned murder (execution within a week of failed first appeal), the
murder rate would plummet.  Good grief, that is what I mean if I ask 'what do 
you propose?' - I mean that you complain about crime, but holler when people
like me calmly point out just _what_ measures would need to be taken.

ObAdvocacy:  The Amiga 500 - the Amiga of the people.

>eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.


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*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 
*"It reminds me of something Cally said. 'He who trusts cannot be
*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
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