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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Help identify this plant??? 
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:02:32 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

dweber@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Daniel Weber) writes:
> 
> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> |> Sounds like Streptocarpus saxorum, of the Gesneriaceae (African violet family).

> YES!!!!!!!!!  
>  Now I can look it up in a better
> encyclopedia at home and get some good information on it.  Thanks very much
> for the help.

Oh, hallelujah!  Your good description sure helped.   Treat it like an
African violet, and it should flourish.  I had one in grad school that 
took over the office windows.  I finally took it home (where the cats
administered the coup de grace) after my office mates threatened to take
a machete to it so they could see out the window again.

Mine got western light, dilute Peter's 10-10-10 and a fair amount of neglect.

Kay
From: sek@cbnews.cb.att.com (stephanie.e.kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: illegal plants--lobelia
Summary: Lobelia warning!
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:04:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr6.145306.11700@hemlock.cray.com>, dadams@cherry.cray.com (David Adams) writes:
> 
> Recently we had a discussion about listing plants
> that were illegal.
> 
> Two days ago I heard that lobelia (Indian tobacco,
> pukeweed) was illegal, or at least that it could
> not be sold as an herb.  Does anyone know 
> anything more about it?

I went home last night and looked this up in my Rodales Encyclopedia
of Herbs.  After reading about it, it sounds kind of frightening to me!
Lobelia has been used in the past (drunk and smoked) for different
ailments, but has powerful effects on the central nervous system.
All of the plant contains poisons, which can be fatal.

Without quoting verbatum, the book states that lobelia does indeed
open the bronchioles, but if too much is used can cause resperatory
distress, and lower blood pressure.  It also is advertised as a weight-
reducing tobacco - since it makes you throw up, no matter how you
take it.

As Kay Klier said, as long as you don't eat it, it should be okay - is
sometimes used externally to relieve rheumatism and bruises/bites.

>  I found jimsonweed growing by my garage when 

Jimsonweed didn't fare much better in its writeup.  It is extremely
poisonous, and may irritate the skin if brushed against.  Although
pretty, the seeds and leaves are potentially lethal.  

Both of these herbs appear on the chart of "herbs that cause death"...

One must be very careful when using ANY herb for medicinal purposes.
or culinary for that matter.  I'd highly recommend Rodale's Encyclopedia
of Herbs, it's very thorough.  

Stephanie Kearns
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: glyphosate and composting
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:35:43 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Pardon me, but I seem to have severe editor hiccups at the moment:

klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> EPA is supposed to be in the process of retesting all sorts of herbicides and
> pesticides under supervision of their own scientists (though most of it is
> being contracted to university researchers, if I recall right).  I heard 
> they were starting with the things they most sus
                                               suspect of causing trouble,
so I doubt they'll get to something like glyphosate, with it's simple
structure and repeated 

> confimation of breakdown
> into inorganic phosphate and methylglycine, I doubt it's high on the list.
From: Ecology Center Fund <ecologycntr@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Date: 08 Apr 92 12:44 PDT
Subject: Re: HELP!!! Fuchsia mite
Nf-ID: #R:1992Apr7.100903.337@calmasd.prim:1284437412:cdp:1453300025:000:345
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Apr  8 12:44:00 1992


The mite is carried on the heads of hummingbirds, therefore, it seems like
you'd be able to control it by pruning and then somehow restricting
hummingbird access to your fuchsias.  Ive never tried this, though, nor
do I know anyone who has.

Last I heard, Kelthane was considered completely ineffective against 
Brazilian Fuchsia Mite.  

Chris

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: shanker@nexus.yorku.ca (Stuart Shanker)
Subject: bonsai in Canada
Keywords: bonsai
Organization: York University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:45:49 GMT



Does anyone know of any bonsai dealers in Canada who print catalogues?
I have been in touch with two of the American dealers that Kevin
Harris discussed, and unfortunately, there are just too many problems
in importing bonsai into Canada at this time.

Stuart Shanker
From: louiset@informix.com (Louise Twiggs)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Compost Contents
Keywords: compost, lint
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:40:23 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.162813.4392@gtephx.UUCP> machanicm@gtephx.UUCP (Mindy Machanic) writes:
>In article <31417@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs173sbj@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (Sean Maschue) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> About what goes into a compost pile: Dryer Lint.  Should this stuff
>> just be thrown out?  Does it damage a compost pile or can this add
>
>> opinions of where lint belongs?
>> 
>According to somebody in "Hints from Heloise" or one of those kind of columns
>in the paper this past week, the little birdies love dryer lint to line their
>nests with. I don't know about in compost piles, but I got some dryer lint and
>pulled it into smallish pieces and put them around the yard and on the fence.
>I thought the birds would get spoiled by the softness of the lining and would
>probably want a constant supply, so I plan on putting it out for them every
>once in a while. The column also said they like cat hair in clumps for their
>nests. My cats leave clumps of fur around attached to the thorny things in
>the yard they insist on crawling under, and it generally disappears after a
>while, so maybe the birds do take it away...

I can vouch for this, we used to have a Labrador Retriever dog, who seemed
to moult all year round, and his fluffy fur used to get left all over
the garden.  One day we found an abandoned birds nest on the floor under
one of the trees, and the whole thing was lined with our dog's fur!

>
>-- 
>--Mindy in Phoenix            
>******************************************************************************************
>Mindy Machanic
>AG Communication Systems/Quality Engineering               

Louise Twiggs
Informix Software Ltd
From: Bob.Batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Batson)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: TEST
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:52:02 GMT

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From: rogerv@sco.COM (Roger Vortman)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: SNAILS.....shudder
Keywords: *&^^*(**@@!!!
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:24:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


>I have a wonderful garden planned this year except I think the
>snails will eat it! I have never had this much trouble with
>them before! I have a childrens garden planned with pumpkins and
>sunflowers etc. I put out some seedlings and they were consumed
>in one night!!!! I was astounded. I went out the next night and
>saw 4 snails on top of one 4" seedling! I do not want to use
>anything toxic to kids since this *is* their garden! Any suggetions?
>Oh I tried putting a can around the seedlings, the snails just
>crawled up the can, fell in and feasted!!! Sigh.
>Anybody?

Congratulations on getting it together to have a garden with your kids.
As far as snails go, the most success that I have had with getting the
population down is to go out to the garden (and whatever other sources of
snails that you have) and hand pick them (the snails, that is).
Do this a few times, and if you are really getting the source of the
snails as well as the ones in this particular garden, the population will
decline rapidly until they don't matter.

-Roger
From: jamaass@bluemoon.rn.com (Jeffrey A. Maass)
Subject: Re: growing carrots (was -peat moss & carrots)
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:07:43 EDT

judi@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Judith S. Janette) writes:

> > 
> > 
> > 	I have had good luck with planting radishes with the carrot seeds.
> > The radishes break the soil and are harvested long before the carrots  
> would
> > compete with them.  And here in Denver the soil is a heavy clay.
> > 
> > --
> 
> I saw this done on the Victory Garden. They even went so far as to plant  
> beets in with carrots and radishes in wide rows. And everything looked so  
> nice and grew so well, it made me SICK!!! Why can't they show just a FEW  
> weeds on these shows so that we know that these gardens are grown right  
> here on Earth by genuine humans?! 
> 


Gee, that must have been _YEARS_ ago, back when they had vegetables
on Victory Garden!

Or was some Zulu tribesman at "Bantu Gardens" planting the beets, 
carrots, and radishes as ornamentals?


Jeff Maass                   Amateur Radio: K8ND (@ W8CQK)
NW of Columbus Ohio                Netmail: jamaass@bluemoon.uucp

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Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: ardyk@tc.fluke.COM (Ardy Kong)
Subject: Seed source for mint and thyme
Keywords: seeds, mint, thyme
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:52:19 GMT

I am looking for sources (mail-order, or
local) for seeds for:
  Corsican Mint and/or
  Wooly Thyme
If you know of any I would greatly appreciate
phone no., addresses etc.

Email or post.

Thank-you.
Ardy
From: tjgorn01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Tim Gornet)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Looking for water garden mail order
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:38:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In <1992Apr10.163220.6735@gtephx.UUCP> machanicm@gtephx.UUCP (Mindy Machanic) writes:
>> I just aquired a man-made pond which is a little too sterile for my
>> taste.  I'd like to add some interesting water plants, fish, etc.
>> Anybody know of some good sources?
>> 
Lilypons does have a fantastic stock of plants, but I have found my best 
stock comes from the local area. Check with your local Goldfish and Koi 
society club or the local Aquarium club. You can often get great stock that
does well in your area for much better prices than the mail orders. In 
addition, many of them are potted as opposed to being shipped bare root.
These clubs also tend to be a great arena of knowledge for the beginner.
Check with your local pet store to see if any of these clubs exist in your
area. Some of the serious people like to cultivate alot of the plants and
you can get them and the advice for a good price that way. But, if you want
alot of the exotic stuff you will have to stick to the mail order.
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From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Enquiry about Fungicide "Benlate"
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:17:22 GMT
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu

Tony Plate asks:
> Enquiry about Fungicide "Benlate"
> Does anyone know anything about this fungicide?  
> I hear that it is banned in the U.S. 

you hear wrong -- benlate is *widely* used here

perhaps your source is thinking of the recent alledged 
problems with benlate DF contamination -- but that is a 
long and extremely murky story unto itself...

-- Mike Langston
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: jocko@tc.fluke.COM (Julie Pound)
Subject: Spider Mites
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:19:36 GMT

    I have also started my garden indoors and early this year.
Cherry tomatoes, spinach, lettuce, beans etc...  Unfortunately,
I recently got hit rather hard by spider mites.  I used an Ortho
product that starts with a "D" that supposedly controls them. Ha!
Since they're under the leaves, and hard to "thoroughly" cover,
I was curious how other folks control these pests. Is there a 
"fogger" available from somewhere?  There is powder, but I can't 
see this being effective unless you put the plants in a bag with
the powder and shook :-(.  I really don't want to trash all these
plants and start over, but the little buggers seem to love the
poison now. A MiracleGro for bugs :-(.  Someone know of a better
product or method? 

The last time I sprayed them was with a pump-up sprayer, and
I did spray under the leaves.  

julie
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: dgg@llcn2.jhuapl.edu (Dave Gawron)
Subject: Clay pots and herbs, should I be concerned?
Keywords: clay, pots, herbs, edible plants, dangers
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:04:02 GMT

Dear Folks,

Yesterday I purchased a bunch of herb plants from a local nursery.  I also
bought an equal number of clay pots in which to place the herbs.  On the way
home it dawned on me that it might not be such a good idea to ingest plants
which were grown in clay pots.  I seem to remember that clay can contain
nasty stuff like lead and other heavy metals.  I know there are problems with
some glazes containing lead, however my pots are not glazed.  So, my question
is this: is there any danger of the herbs picking up harmful things from the
clay?

Planting the herbs outside is not an option since I live in a condo.  I was
hoping to place the herbs in pots sitting in my sunroom.  Should I use the
clay pots for non-edible plants and get some plastic pots for the herbs?
Thanks for you help on this one.

PS: By the way, is there anything I should know about potting soil with
    respect to herbs?

Dave Gawron
dgg@llcn2.jhuapl.edu (128.244.69.72)
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: HELP!!! Fuchsia mite
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:09:03 GMT
Organization: -

Does anyone know of a cure (hopefully environmental save) for
fuchsia mite?  Several of my fuchsias have been disfigured
by them.  Somehow they've even crossed the yard and ended up
in a hanging basket under the eves of the house.   I guess
they must be too small to see since all I notice is the
disfigurement and no bugs.

In this month's Sunset magazine there is an article on safe
environmental controls.  There is a matrix with a list of
plant problems and a list of cures.  In the fuchsia mite
column it lists, "buy resistant plants".  That's all it
says!  I don't have a clue what varieties are resistant and
don't want to replace the 20 or so fuchsias I have.

I'm tempted to try kelthane, though the last few times I've
used it the white flies went out of control. (Kelthane kills
most of the beneficial insects along with the bad.)  Perhaps
some sort of systemic could be used in the soil?

Any ideas would be appreciated.  

Thanks,

Jim

P.S. Apparently this is a fairly new pest to California. 
The 1979 addition of the Sunset Western Garden book doesn't
even mention it.
From: yea035@muvms3.bitnet (Mary Susan Noll)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Chinese Sweet Grass anyone?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:16:50 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


hi there,  does anyone know anything about Chinese Sweet grass?  The blades,
when rubbed, have an odor not unlike anise.  I only know that it is wet loving
and needs moderate sun.  Can anyone ad to this?
					Thanks
					m.s. noll
From: derienzo@mit.edu (Elizabeth A. DeRienzo)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Four O'Clocks from stored roots
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:06:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.150640.29162
Organization: MIT

Two years ago I grew Four O'Clocks from seed.  They did very well up 
against the fence surrounding my vegetable garden.  In the fall, while 
putting the garden to bed, I noticed that the Four O'Clocks had developed 
large, fleshy roots (about 2-3 times the size of a carrot).   I checked 
several of my gardening books, but nowhere did I see even a vague mention 
of storing the roots over the winter.  I left a few in the ground and 
mulched heavily,  the rest I stored over the winter in perlite along with 
my dahlias and glads.  

When I pulled them out of storage the next spring, they looked great so I 
planted them.  I also planted Four O'Clocks from seed.  The results:  The 
roots I stored in perlite grew very fast and flowered several weeks sooner 
than those from seed.  They also got a lot larger, producing a large 
"bush" of flowers that went from early summer up until the first hard 
frost.  The roots that I left in the round, by the way, never grew again.

I put the roots into storage again last fall (now 1/2 are one year old and 
1/2 are 2 years old) and I'm eager to plant them and have Four O'Clock 
trees this summer.

Has anyone heard of this treatment of Four O'Clocks before?  My sister is 
a professional horticulturalist and said that she hadn't heard of anyone 
else doing this, but thought it was a good idea.

--
Elizabeth A. DeRienzo
derienzo@mit.edu
Senior Producer,  MIT Video Courses
              
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From: ajp@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andy Pearce)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:31:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Dandelions
Organization: HP Software Engineering Systems, UK
Newsgroups: rec.gardens

>                           Is there some type of lawn and gardening product I
> can use which is real good in getting rid of those damn-delions, and since we
> are concerned about the environment, environmental safe? Thanks in advance
> for any suggestions.

Dandelions have really nice flowers -- why do you want to get rid of them?

Seriously though, I've seen them for sale in herb nurseries in England!  
One way of killing them is to put a tea/tablespoon of salt in the centre 
of the rosette of leaves.  In a week or so you will have a nice brown 
patch instead of those pretty flowers.

--ajp
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: watering with drips
Keywords: drip irrigation
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:41:20 GMT

BTW: the latest word on drip is micro-sprinklers. These things are great,
they are much more clog resistant and they distribute the water over a larger
area, solving the single wet spot problem of drippers. They also make
great misters for propagation. For irrigation, the micro's are placed near
the ground, so they aren't wetting the foliage like conventional sprinklers.
But they suffer in windy and low humidity conditions, like conventional
sprinklers, you just end up humidifying the air. Not an all out replacement
for drippers, but very usefull.

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: b29!maven!dave@ingr.com (Dave Bradford)
Subject: Franklin Tree Info?
Reply-To: b29!maven!dave@ingr.com (Dave Bradford)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:14:19 GMT

Can anyone tell me about the Franklin tree? Supposedly named for Ben Franklin
and a native North American plant, I have read glowing things about it in
garden catalogs but I have never seen it in person. We are moving to a new
house pretty soon and I am designing a new landscape. I just don't want to
plant "more of the same", i.e. every new house around here seems to get
the same Bradford Pear trees (or shudder...Silver Maples) and boring shrubs.

Thanks.
-- 
Dave Bradford		...uunet!ingr!b29!maven!dave (UUCP)
			b29!maven!dave@ingr.com      (Internet)

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: dweber@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Daniel Weber)
Subject: Help identify this plant???  :-(
Originator: dweber@nvs.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: dweber@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:48:59 GMT


I recently purchased an indoor plant from our University's Hort. Club.
Unfortunately, the minimal instructions for care of this plant were lost
in the compost heap referred to as "my apartment".  The problem wouldn't
be so bad if I could remember the name of this plant, but I can't.  Here's
a description of the plant and what I can remember of the help sheet that
I lost in the hope that maybe somebody will recognize it and be nice enough
to let me know (via posts or e-mail) what it is.  Anybody recognize it?

From the sheet:
I believe it said it was sometimes referred to as a "False African Violet"
but I cannot find any descriptions of such a beast in any of the houseplant
encyclopedias I've checked.  It is *not* an "Arabian Violet" and I really
don't see how it could ever be confused with an African Violet.  I don't even
want to hazard a guess at it's scientific name.

The plant:
Medium height at about 9"-12" (currently).  Can be grown in a hanging basket
    as the stems will start to droop.

Leaves grow opposite on stems like this:
                         _ || _
                        <_>||<_>
			   ||
    and are anywhere from 1" long to less than 1/4" long (immature ones?).
    They're light green (now) though I've seen them a little darker (but not
    *dark* green).  They're kinda fuzzy to the touch and the little hairs
    add a touch of white to them.

The stems appear to emerge in pairs at the same time form the base of the 
    leaves.

Flowers are a beautiful dark purple, and are sort of cup-shaped-and-trumpet-
    like.  That confuse you?  I mean that they are about an inch long and 
    narrow, but down towards the actual opening on the front of the flower 
    there is a sort of curved cup-shaped section before it opens to the air.
    It's not as cup shaped as parts of orchids, but definitely curved.  From
    what I remember the little flower stems emerge from between the leaves near
    the stem, like this:
                       >_  ||  _<
                         \ || /   
                         _\||/_
                        <_>||<_>
			   ||

Sorry this isn't a very good description, but I suspect the plant isn't
doing too well because it hasn't flowered since I got it several months
ago and I'm getting worried about it's overall health.  Does anybody vaguely
recognize the plant I'm talking about?

				Thanks,
				daniel weber
				dweber@ncsa.uiuc.edu