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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Seeking: incisive essayists, any race, creed, or gender
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:21:46 GMT

Brian Robertson writes in answer to a question on essayists:

	Try some of the Italian authors such as Umberto Eco (TRAVELS 
	IN HYPERREALITY) and Primo Levi (THE MIRROR MAKER and THE PERIODIC 
	TABLE especially) for essays on everything from the Holocaust to 
	Marshall McLuhan. Most of these books have been translated into 
	English.

	I find them very similar to George Orwell's essays in books such 
	as INSIDE THE WHALE...

With the minor difference that Eco's essays quite deliberately exclude any
social commentary whereas Orwell jumps in with both feet. They make
excellent complementary reading.

							Fido
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Dashiell Hammett
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cfdev1.9210152012.AA00142

harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper) writes:
 
> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
 
>> . . . harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper) writes:
>>>A mild spoiler follows:
 
>>>         We waited a moment, and then Pete the Finn appeared in the
>>>     dynamited doorway, his hands holding the top of his bald head.
 
>>>         Reno called him a lousy fish-eater and shot him four times
>>>     in face and body.
 
>> Under the circumstances, and given the name of the victim, it seems
>> likely that "lousy fish-eater" is an anti-Catholic slur.
 
> I'm afraid I don't see the likelihood.  My understanding is that the
> Finns are predominantly Lutheran, not Catholic.
 
Perhaps it was Lutefisk season.  The Scandinavian Lutherans in Minnesota
fall into three categories: the ones who love the stuff; the ones who find
it nausious; and the ones who are nuetral, but eat it anyway -- just to
disgust those in the second group.  I understand this concept -- I will
only eat anchovies if I am with someone disgusted by the thought.
 
Mark
 
 
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: More Notes from the Decline
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:50:41 GMT

John McCarthy writes:
	 
	 I bought a "Split wood not atoms" sticker and reversed it so it
	 read "Split atoms, not wood".  It was impossible to keep one on
	 my car, since it evidently gave offense.

 
Mark Taranto writes:

	I'm surprised.  I thought Professor McCarthy was only interested in
	splitting hairs.


OK, a new bumper sticker: "Split hairs not heads".





William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Only Connect
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:27:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cactus.1992Oct8.142743.25874
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <1b0qt1INNs55@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (John Wojdylo) writes:
>>
>
>
>Does "being connected" in the sense of Forster entail one has to be as
>scatterbrained as Margaret?
>
>Stupid bitch.
>
>
>
> 


I just read Howard's End this weekend. Margraret is passionate, strong,
kind, and proud; and she makes a mistake or two as well. She is
however anything but scatterbrained. Helen, perhaps; not Margaret.

I am missing John's point here.

Kate


-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
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From: szathmary@sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Callan spy stories.
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:40:01 GMT



Does anyone know the name of the author of the Callan spy stories?
From: S.Courtenage@cs.ucl.ac.uk (S.A. Courtenage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mervyn Peake's _Titus Alone_
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:45:23 GMT


 >In article <1992Oct4.225739.10864@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amnell@klaava.Helsinki.
FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
 >>Somebody mentioned Mervyn Peake recently.  Does anybody else think that
 >>the third part of the Titus Groan series was absolute rubbish? 
 >
 >It was certainly different from the other two - but that's not
 >rubbish.  (Ironical, isn't it? Mody Dick was once considered rubbish -
 >it wasn't at all like Typee or Omoo ...)
 >
 >Anyway, it seems like the original publisher did some unjustifiable
 >editing of TA: some very important passages were emendated or simply
 >removed.
 >
 >Note: Some passages. Not all. TA *is* different.

I understood that Mervyn Peake died before he completed Titus Alone. The
book as published represents a kind of draft form, which is why it seems
quite terse and unpolished when compared to the previous two books. I
also read somewhere that he had thought of writing more books in the Titus
saga.

I like Titus Alone as it is.

Simon Courtenage		Email: scourten@uk.ac.ucl.cs
Dept of Computer Science
University College London
London WC1E
England
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Joyce, Hammett & Finn
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:43:32 GMT

Francis Muir writes:

	Mike may have taken his Honest lamp back into the Celtic Twilight 
	where he came across the last great poet-warrior, Ossian, whose 
	father was Finn Mac Cool.

And, incidentally, the same Finn for whom Joyce named his Hotel that never 
was.  As Taranto has reminded us so many times "You just gotta connect..."

							Fido

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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:47:35 GMT

Barbara Hlavin writes (anent Joyce Carol Oates):

	But I would stoutly maintain that she is a good writer -- for
	someone else.

Now here we have the makings of one of the better threads in years.
Good books which are just too damn boring to read. I would certainly 
include Charles Prolix Dickens, a lot of the Shagger Pagger, all of
Milton, &c., &c.

Lets go!

							Fido
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Philately (will get you nowhere)
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:39:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvyop6.LvI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:

>In article <CB.92Oct9143010@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>>
>>From an old Firesign Theater album (from memory):
>>
>>Mudhead: "After school, I'm going to the Philatalists' Club!"
>>
>>Porgey:  "I didn't know you masturbated!"
>>
>>Chris Brewster
>>cb@cray.com

>And then there was the story of the political candidate who
>accused his opponent of "matriculating with his own sister"
>who was known to be a "thesbian."


I believe it was "thespian". A professor I once had used the above 
example of how one's life can be affected by the mere sound of words.
Even though these words are not at all indecent, they closely resemble
a couple that could set a person's morality buzzer going.

Tracey
From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: food
Keywords: OK, then, books on food
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:59:22 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1992Oct7.161310.5465@meaddata.com>, chuckg@meaddata.com (Chuck Greenwald) writes:
 
 
> I found _Food_in_History_, by ?, to be a great discussion of how
> food and eating have changed through history and been affected by
> where and how we live.
 
Reay Tannahill. Also author of _Sex_in_History_, similarly excellent.
 
-- 

 Meg Worley 				Internet:  mworley@mathcs.emory.edu
From: S.Courtenage@cs.ucl.ac.uk (S.A. Courtenage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Rattlesnake Stradivarius - help in finding this book
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:48:06 GMT


"Rattlesnake Stradivarius"

Has anyone heard of this book? If so, could you please email me with
the author (and the publisher if possible) as I would like to get hold
of a copy.

Thank you

Simon Courtenage		Email: scourten@uk.ac.ucl.cs
Dept of Computer Science
University College London
London WC1E
England
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:49:50 GMT

In article <BvrCKK.6AC@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.173356.18577@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>> Could you name some plays that were left unperformed for *300* years?
>
>Complete Two Gentlemen of Verona.
>
>Troilus and Cressida.
>
>I could also name some that should never be performed: Henry XIII, for a
>start...

Three plays (well, really, two and a half) out of 38? That Shakespeare
really was top-notch after all, wasn't he?


--Mike





-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: More Notes from the Decline
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.183013.18678@athena.mit.edu> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:

>	Spoken like a true son of the enlightenment Mr. Godwin. If
>those poor benighted Republicans would only read the *right* books,
>they would perceive that Bush/Quayle is a fountain of piffle and
>twaddle and vote the rascals out. Have I got that right? In this way
>we can move from the bald assertion that Republicans don't read to the
>qualified assertion that Republicans (monolithic voting bloc that they
>are) have a *tolerance* for piffle and twaddle which we may *surmise*
>they acquired from either a) not reading or b) reading the wrong
>stuff. If it's a) I repeat my scornful reactions; if it's b) I refer
>you to a contemplation of your .sig.

I was joking about the piffle-and-twaddle stuff. I have no idea as to what
generalizations might be validly made about Republicans' reading.
My implicit criticism of Bush and Quayle, of course, *should* be taken
as sincere.

Ob. Book Reference: Richard Ben Cramer's WHAT IT TAKES is the best book on
American presidential-election politics I have ever read. Buy it in
hardback.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
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From: abl@cybill.inesc.pt (Antonio Leal)
Subject: Re: Seeking: incisive essayists, any race, creed, or gender
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:32:53 GMT

oliver@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Oliver Sharp) writes:
> [...]
> Well, that's enough to be getting on with.  Lit crit, philosophy, religion,
> politics, any or all are fair game.  The feel I'm looking for is Orwell,
> though; that sudden sense that you are in the presence of a wise, rational,
> small l liberal, who sees clearly and thinks deeply.  They can be wrong,
> but never cheap.  
>
> Any suggestions?

Well, my taste runs more to the conservative curmudgeon, but you might
get something out of these:

- H.L.Mencken
	Oldie (early 20th) but good.  Very sharp on the U.S. scene.
	Offends everybody without prejudice.  Vintage has printed a
	few collections.

- Gore Vidal
	A cultured patrician with a sharp pen.  Some say his essays
	are better than his novels (personally, I find Creation a damn
	good novel).  Essay collections, grouped by date, out on Vintage.
	Some of what he says about "(American) Republic and Empire"
	ties in amazingly well with Mencken and (surprise) Chomsky.

- Kingsley Amis
	Penguin has a book of Selected Essays out.  Covering, I think,
	from the 60's to the 80's, many published in The Spectator.
	He must be sorry for the way his son turned out.

- Paulo Virilio
	An Italian columnist I sometimes read in the paper.  Had a good
	piece about war as a media event (Gulf War, that was).  I don't
	know if there are any collections around, in whatever countries.

- Noam Chomsky
	Apart from his childish belief in the good nature of man, and hence
	anarco-syndicalist politics, he writes some very perceptive things
	about U.S. politics in Deterring Democracy (Vintage).  Almost an
	'outsider' perspective.  It's interesting to confront his piece about
	the war on drugs with P.J. O'Rourke's (in Parliament of Whores).

I'd also be interested in any French, German, etc. essayists writing
sharp, perceptive prose.  They are kind of hard to find in the pile of
puffed-up, self-important, tres-au-courant-de-la-derniere-theorie junk.
Any suggestions ?

--
Antonio B. Leal		| IST / INESC
+351.1.310 0300		| R. Alves Redol 9, 1000 Lisboa
abl@inesc.pt		| Portugal
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From: alexande@genghis.borland.com (Mark Alexander)
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Originator: alexande@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:32:43 GMT


I admit to starting but abandoning (after about page 100 in each
case) the following great books:

_Ulysses_
_War and Peace_
_The Brothers Karamazov_
_The Sot-Weed Factor_

I also had a lot of trouble with _Gravity's Rainbow_ when I read it
many years ago, but managed to get through (without understanding very
much of it, I'm afraid).  But I greatly enjoyed all three of Pynchon's
other novels.

I'm currently slogging my way through _Moby Dick_, with frequent
breaks for lighter stuff (Mark Twain, currently).  After a year, I'm
about 2/3 of the way through.  The book has its moments, but it badly
needs an editor.  The title character hasn't appeared yet, so I'm
still in suspense...
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From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Alaska (books sought)
In-reply-to: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:21:23 GMT
Organization: pubs
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:40:12 CDT

M. Vincent Busenbark writes:

   I may be moving to Alaska in less than a year, and would
   appreciate information about works of literature that focus 
   on life in the state ...

Try Joe McGinnis's "Going to Extremes".

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Wylie (was Re: The White Man's Burd)
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:50:22 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Interesting to see Philip Wylie reappear at this late date! As a kid I was
very aware of him...his books were on everyone's shelves, his latest serial
was running in the Saturday Evening Post, and even in the early 50s you could
feel the repercussions from his much earlier book Generation of Vipers
(which, in its attack on "Momism," would today look sadly misogynist).

Wylie was a popular entertainer who could grind out the "Crunch & Des"
stories about a couple of Florida dudes who were, I think, professional
fishermen; he could also do pop thrillers like "The Smuggled Atom Bomb," and
somewhat more philosophical fantasies like "Tomorrow!" and "The
Disappearance" (in which men and women abruptly split into parallel
worlds--one all-male, the other all-female). As a social commentator Wylie
would probably look pretty dated now; but he was a serious influence on the
American culture of the 1940s and 50s.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: wright@staff.tc.umn.edu (Mark Wright)
Subject: Northern Exposure Quote
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:08:08 GMT

	Can anyone identify the source of Chris' final quote on
tonight's Northern Exposure.  It was something on the order of:
"A system is the tail on the lizard of truth.  The lizard will leave its
tail behind, knowing that it can always grow a new one."

pretty neat, huh?

-- 
Mark Wright
wright@epx.cis.umn.edu
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Only Connect
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:42:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.142743.25874@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>>
>>I am missing John's point here.
>>
>>Kate

>That's the greatest thing about John, he doesn't have to make a point
>in order to get attention.

Now that Adam has discovered my greatest point, I wait with bated breath
for him to suck my dick.


>Adam

jw


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From: kat@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Subject: Re: Whats the title/Author of this story
Keywords: SF railways mars
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:16:29 GMT

In <1992Oct7.020101.21144@cs.su.oz.au> matthew@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier) writes:

> The reason im looking for this book is that it appears to be the only case
>where my interests in SF and railways meet in one book. Im now looking for
>a name for my railway BBS and thought that book might provide a name..
>(Particularly the name of the siding at the town.. ).

Well, I don't know the book, but I did come across a book quite recently
where SF and railways met.  It was Planet Story by Harry Harrison
(illustrated by Jim Burns - I got it for the pictures)
This was your usual Harrison madness, funny in a satirical way.
It's about a railway built (needlessly) across a planet (can't remember
the name of the planet - started with S) because one of the Admirals
in the army was a railway buff.  The railway was built by an AI-robot
called RRAG, who was told the planet was uninhabited, so it plowed
through several cities...

Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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can go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly
develop.
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From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up again.
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:40:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.8OCT199214401544
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Interestingly enough, I seem to have really enjoyed most of the books
folks are pooh-pooing in this thread.  (Especially _A Confederacy Of Dunces_...
since when is this a "difficult" book?  On the other hand, I haven't caught
anyone bad-mouthing Pynchon, so there's some compensation.)

The book that comes to mind whenever the topic of "Famous or Well-Known 'Good'
Books that I Thought Were Trash" comes up is Herbert's _Dune_.  In a word,
"Ick."  In two words, "Ick, ick."  Made it throught the first novel, picked
up the second, read about fifty pages and said to myself, "This sucks.  Why
am I doing this to myself?" then proceeded to thrown the icky little paperback
across the room and then picked up some random translation of _Gargantua_ to
ease my perturbation.

Also, (hold your breath) _Moby Dick_.  Overrated.  Not a bad novel, but 
certainly not worth all the superhero bullshit that's been laid on it.  Had
to breeze through a spot of _The Rambler_ to reach equilibrium after that 'un.











-SubG
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Once I put this book down, I could not pick it up.
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:54:19 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <Bvtx6M.55u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:

>fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>
>>amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
>
>>>>Well, surely the most unreadable `good' book in English (if one can call
>>>it English) is _Finnegans Wake_, right?  Or else _Beowulf_.
>
>>     The greatest interest in this thread is seeing that there *really* 
>>is no accounting for taste.  I was about to defend _A Confederacy of
>>Dunces_, which I thought was very funny, but I'd rather save that and
>>speak up for the Bear-guy.  I LOVE _Beowulf_.  The range of emotional colors
>>in _Beowulf_ is exactly the same as in Robert E. Howard's Conan novels,
>>which I also love for precisely the same low, bestial reasons.  Beowulf
>>and Conan alike transport you back to the days when you *could* solve all
>>your major problems with a grunt and a bludgeon.   

It is my understanding that many Americans still do, but with a gun.
Tocqueville would surely eat his words were he alive.  I see you hail
from Georgia, so maybe you should have stuck up for your Confederate dunces
instead.

>>So sue me.....

With your salary how could you afford it?  While us successful
Euro-mobsters in our Mercs, checking our Rolexes by public clocks,
then off to the pub to drink our bocks...

>>                                             -- jf
>I, too, liked _Beowulf_. Especially Grendel's mother. 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yo' mama!  Are you talking about the original Old English version?  I
had the language, not the content, in mind, my dear Tracer-bullet.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Fixing Damaged Books
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:10:18 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <scs.719166634@hela.iti.org>, scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
>  [[ many interesting and useful suggestions for healing damaged pages ]]
> 
> Might you have a similar set of suggestions for dealing with mildew?

Uh, fire is always useful...

Mildew is a fungus, and it can spread.  Major libraries fumigate books
in a gas sterilization chamber (just like surgical instruments) -- which
kills the mold, though you may still have mold-spotted pages.  But it
keeps the mildew from spreading.

Sometimes a lightly mildewed book can be salvaged by fanning the pages
out and setting it outside in the sun for several sunny, hot days.  This
dries the paper well enough to keep further growth down, and gets rid of
some of the odor.

I suppose you could put a book printed on acid-free paper in a household
oven on "low" to dry and kill the mold, but if your book is on acidic
paper, you've just performed an accelerated aging test. (Crinkle, crinkle!)

The little library for which I acted as trustee was begun with a large
number of contributed books.  Some of them had been sitting around in
basements for a number of years.  They took them anyhow.  By the time
I became trustee, 15 years after founding, the entire library reeked of
mildew, even books that had been purchased new and in the library only
a few months.

We just finished building a new library next door to the old one, and
the concensus of the entire town (with many pennypinchers) was to
start fresh in the new library and NOT bring in those mildewed books
to infect other books.   The old books are in the old library-- and
if you'd like to check one out, we'll gladly give you the key so you
can get it. ;-)

For most of us, alas, mildewed books should be passed up.

Kay Klier
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From: rusty@infonode.ingr.com (Rusty Wiginton)
Subject: Neither_Here_Nor_There
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:28:41 GMT

	Has anyone read Bill Brysons latest yet? Once again he
	has me in laughing at his travels. I knew I was hooked
	after reading The_Lost_Continent. His journey through
	America was so much like mine as a child that I want to
	go back to those places to see how much they have changed.
	But in Neither_Here_Nor_There, Bill leaves merry old
	England to see the Northern Lights and travel as far east
	until Europe is no more and Asia begins. It is a book well
	worth dedicating a Saturday to. Please post or email me
	and we will start a discussion about this book.
-- 
                                      Rusty Wiginton (205)730-2378
                                      (UUCP) uunet!ingr!wyle!rusty
                                      (Internet)rusty@wyle.ingr.com
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