HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:14:20
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP's message of 10 Nov 92 04:49:03 GMT

    From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
     * * *
    I'm the guy who intentionally put some 'flavor' in my .plan for whoever 
    wants to enjoy (you may consider the other way) when reading it.  I know 
    what I've been doing! -- anyway this is not the point.  The point is: 
    Whether in the wrong place or not, this has nothing to do with getting 
    sick of somebody else (whom you don't know) who DISTRIBUTES your finger 
    record, especially your address, PUBLICALLY without your permission.  
    This kind of behavior is totally irresponsible, unjustifiable and 
    seriously offends human right!  
      * * *    

I beg to be different: I often get calls at office for information about my
officemates.  So far I follow this rule in answering such calls: if the
information is returned by finger, I pass it.  Otherwise I say "sorry, I
cannot tell you."  On our registration material, there is a box one can check
if one does not want one's address, phone number and some other information to
be given away by the school telephone operator.  In our city, one has to pay
monthly charge if s/he does not want to be listed in the phone book or does
not want his/her information given away by 411 operator.  As I am writing, my
address may be passed to some unknown junk mail agency.  I think all the
examples point out that certain personal information is distributed without
the owners' explicit permission.

Here is our major difference on this issue: I consider you permit others to
distribute the information in your .plan and .project by putting it there
while you consider you do not.  I may be wrong.  Please correct me by giving
me your bases for your stand, that is, one need explicit owner permission to
distribute the information the finger program returns.

    Seems that being in American society is not at all equal to being aware 
    of the idea of privacy and respect of it. -- This Western thing is just 
    too difficult for quite a few Chinese to get used to even though they 
    _physically_ live in the States.  What a shame!
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:20:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov10.172031.22719
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <BxHB42.1IG@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
>the US president election. 
>
>First US president election: each state chooses electors who will
>vote for the voters in the state. These electors will meet and cast
>votes in December in Washington DC. The votes from the electors are
>called electoral votes. The popular votes may be different than the
>electoral votes, which happened to the 11th and 29th presidents. 
>
>The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 
>vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
>votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
>popular votes so they are usually unknown.
>
>[ School = the Chinese Students and Scholar Association in the school. ]
>
>This year, Bill Clinton only receives 43% of the popular votes and only
>54% of people voted. I wonder if Bill Clinton only represents 43% times
>54% = 23% of Americans. 
>
>-- 
>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
>mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
>InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5

  I think your description of U.S. election are wrong, I'm quite sure (not
positive though).  Here is the way it works (again, not positively sure):
  If a presidential candidate win the popular votes in this state, he will
carry all the electoral voters this state owns.  For a example , Bill Clinton
beats George Bush and Ross Perot in Illinois with a 55%(?) popular votes, he
then carries the state's 25(?) voters.  In the end, all voters from all 50
states add up, whoever wins the majority voters (270) wins the election
regardless of popular votes.  If not, then the delegates from all states will
meet in December and vote for president.  So your description will only be
true if no candidate wins the majority voters, and the state delegates are
more than 1 each state depending on the population of the state.  This only
happened (actually about to) in an early election, when Adam (first name?)
didnot win the majority but got a cast-over from another candidate and
finished with required voters.  
  All these are just from top of my head, any comments welcome.

  Brian 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl__nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:11:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.204526.525309@sue.cc.uregina.ca>  
yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.181430.23897@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu  writes:
> >To me, Lu Gang is just a crazy killer. No excuse, period! If he had not  
killed  
> >himself, he would deserve to sit in a gas chamber!
> >
> >Carl
> 
> Carl:
> 
> 	I can see you are not in a good mood recently. I won't fight with
> 	you.
> 
> 	I suggest you take a rest. You will feel better after a rest.
> 
> 	Yongfei Yan
> 

I am fine. Thanks for your concern though. 

Carl
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:50:15
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<Bx9An3.B06@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> <Bx9uJL.I1C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
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In-reply-to: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:52:32 GMT

    From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
    
    In article <Bx9An3.B06@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
    
    >   Let him "Sha1 Pao1 Niao4" and look inside.
    
    I looked inside, I have the same skin as you do. If you have voting
    right, I too should have it. Because we were born in the same country
    and therefore supposedly have the same citizenship. I never voted,
    therefore I thought you neither.
    
There is a fundamental error in your argument: you equated whether you have
voted to whether you have the voting right.

    If that is not true, tell me your story. Else, your emotion is irrational.

Again, think before you write, think twice before you post.  Human beings are
basically rational animals.  Lunatics have their rationales.  The majority of
the population may not agree with them.  However, lots of people are studying
their rationales in order to help them, which may not be always welcome.  The
moral is being objective and respecting others.
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:34:39 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics

In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

IFCSS keeps abusing the number 50K.
I would say 50K-1, not me.
I am sure that I am not the first one says 50K-1.
From: li@neutrino.rutgers.edu (Ye Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Beer and Wine
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:19:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:


>okey, now that we already talked about the taste of beef, pork and
>chicken, how about another topic, let's talk about Beer
>or Wine.

>for me, i still like Qing-dao beer, what do you guys say? and
>the big bottle Qing-Dao beer tastes better than the small bottle beer,
>i think.

>Xiaohan
>-------------------------
>"you can't live with women, pass me the beer nuts!" --- by Norm in "Cheers"


>oops, guess it should be " Woman, you can't live with them, pass me the
>beer nuts, please!"

>b

>i am not trrrunk yet, juuuuust a littall bit  ssleeepy.
 
	There is no ugly woman, only too little wine.

       i am not trrrunk yet, juuuuust a littall bit  ssleeepy.
From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:52:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.9NOV199219521664
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov9.115519.60526@cc.usu.edu>, ma@cc.usu.edu writes...
[.........]
>The article on CMD-CM is totally a biased THEORY. It ASSUMED that everything
>on Lu Gang 's letters was true, then made the conclusion. The author used
>interviews (if he interviewed a few people) just to support his conclusion.
[.........]
> 
>Ma 
>A former UI student
> 

Ma, what you said is certainly acceptable to me. However, a simple statement
would not change people's opinions. Granted, newspaper stories make mistakes,
albeit not-very-serious ones. The question that has bothered me ever since
I heard the story is that why those FORMER and PRESENR UI students, who who
know those people involved in the tragedy, to tell us the truth? It seems to
me there are a lot of versions of the story. Why do not you tell us what
happened, not just your general comment?

Bob
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 22:48:52 GMT

In article <100924@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.232859.21510@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>>(deleted)
>>I don't know whether it is his translation.
>
>I think the first one is Silk+Strange.
>-- 
This sounds much more graceful. Another choice might be Human+Strange.

>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
>organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
>are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
>Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: jfl@navaho.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Subject: Re: China's economic struct... an analysis
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.084252.4179@athena.mit.edu>, joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:
|> In <Bx8qn2.CoH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (achen) writes:
|> >Since a university education is in all practicality
|> >government supported in China, each university student
|> >is indirectly supported by thousands of workers and
|> >farmers.  It is likey that these workers and farmers
|> >will have little sympathy for these students,
|> 
|> Actually the reason that the CCP was terrified by the 1989
|> demonstrations was that unlike the 1987 demonstrations that the
|> students did have a lot of support from the industrial workers, and
|> the farmers didn't oppose the demonstrations.  The reason for this was
|> that this time the student movement emphasized issues that were of
|> concern to factory workers (like corruption).

I don't think the students have more than 10% of civilians' support.
Most famers and workers are benefited from reform especially those famers.
Some of them build a road to connect their office to homes. 
Some famers really think the students should be shot just because the
demonstration dispute daily businese.
They don't care about so called "corruption" because corruption means less
government regulation. The CCP is reducing more and more governement regulation
now. They always favor these kind of market reform and the students try
to stop "corruption" which means more government regulation. 
Why they should support the students to stop the opputunities of making money.
Why they should support less market reform.
Why they should support all those strange liberal ideals that against the 
religion which they still insist even in cultural revolution.
So what you can do? In fact they are powerful because they are getting
stronger and stronger throught the reform. Their counterpart, the goverment
factories which mostly controlled by worker union is weakean day by day.
From: kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who is God
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:53:35 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Dept. of Crystallography

In article <1992Nov12.024420.7561@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>In article <11NOV199200101555@rosie.uh.edu> math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:

...

>
>That's because Chinese have killed more than the total of all the above
>countries have killed in history. So, the less a country has killed, the
>stronger it might be, it is consistent to God's policy, isn't it ?. ki
>
>Yi-Chieh

	Owh! What a shit! Tell me exactly where you got this number.
Is that why you want to re-born to eat God shit here?!


-- 
K. Zeng. @pittvms.bitnet    |  "Nothing is always right, even neither this
or    @unix.cis.pitt.edu    |   saying."
       @vms.cis.pitt.edu    |			--Anonymous
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ml23@quads.uchicago.edu (mei  lu)
Subject: test
Reply-To: ml23@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:26:58 GMT

This is a test.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29919 talk.politics.china:2560
From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:10:23 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au
Followup-To: soc.culture.china

In <Bx9uCo.HMI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

[...stuff deleted...]

>We humble people can do nothing, but to tell the truth. But I only
                                                         !!!!!!!!!!
>tell truth, no more and no less. If you believe you have truth, don't
 !!!!!!!!!!  ???????????????????
>feel insulted. Simply tell your story.

I wouldn't believe your above marked words. Remind you, you haven't
respond to my request for correcting some mistakes in one of your
previous postings.


Chen Jian (from Australia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cxh5190@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Huang )
Subject: test
Originator: cxh5190@ultb
Reply-To: cxh5190@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: isc
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:23:46 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:13:10 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov6024043@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>    From: <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>    
>    IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>    the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>    shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
>
>It is an open question whether IFCSS represents 50K Chinese students.
>However, I am not sure what "registered voters" have to do with "Chinese
>students", even less sure about how the two group mentioned in one breath
>leads to "shameless".
>
>I am pretty sure that George "the president" Bush did not vote for Bill "the
>president-elect" Clinton.  Yet George congratulated Bill in style.  So, even
>if 100% of the 50K Chinese student "voted" for George, I cannot see anything
>wrong with their congratulating Bill.
>

Bush congratulated Clinton personally. He did not say "on behalf of the
American people I congratulate your victory". It's fine for IFCSS to suck
up to Clinton as a private organization(I am sure a lot of others do as well)
But it's another question for it to say or do something on behalf of others
when proper authorization does not seem to exist.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cteng@teng.webo.dg.com (Cho-Li Teng)
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: cteng@teng.webo.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., NSDD

In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu>, shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
[]Shame on you, godless Chinese!
[]
[]When you do NOT have God in your heart,
[]
[]	you think Mao Zedong your God;
[]        you think Deng Xiaoping your God;
[]        you think CCP your God;
[]        you think KMT your God;
[]        you think China your God;
[]        you think the 5000-year-history your God;
[]        you think Confucius your God;
[]        you think your family your God;
[]        you think yourself your God;
[]        you think your ancestor your God;
[]        you think your brother your God;
[]        you think your wife your God;
[]        you think your son your God;
[]        you think your girlfriend your God;
[]        you think your friend your God;
[]        you think money your God;
[]        you think your job your God;
[]        you think your Ph.D. degree your God;
[]        you think your knowledge your God;
[]        you think America your God;
[]        you think IFCSS your God;
[]        you think MFN your God;
[]        you think democracy your God;
[]        you think economy your God;
[]        you think greencard your God;
[]        you think your computer your God;
[]        you think your body your God;
[]        you think garbage your God;
[]        you think Godlessness your God.
[]
[]Shame on you, godless Chinese!

Shame on you, for those people who do not respect others, but bark like mad.

If you are lucky to have God in your heart, and you do believe truthfully
you have,  You should share your wonderful thought and feel with others in a 
much nice and kind way.  NOT LIKE THOSE OF YOUR POSTINGS.

May your GOD do bless you.

ct
From: yu@bilbo.gra.vtt.fi (Xiaohan Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Any response from CG to Clinton's Election?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:44:06 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
NNTP-Posting-Host: bilbo.gra.vtt.fi

In article <12NOV199221284985@utkvx2.utk.edu> abc@wam.umd.edu writes:
>AI know, CG would like to see Bush to be re-elected.  Is there any
>response from CG to the Clinton's big victory?  I am just wondering,
>since I have no People's Daily any, and I do not want to spend a
>quater to buy a copy.

My oppinion is that the People's daily is worthy of a quater, especially
for those living abroad. Do you miss Chinese words and expresions?
From: jim@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Looking for High School classmates
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:43:25 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <4exgDJ_00ioW8j3GoO@andrew.cmu.edu>, Tieju Chen <tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Hi someone out there,
> 
>      I am looking for someone from the TaiSun First Middle High School,
> TaiSun city, GuangDong province. I entered the senior high school at
> 1981 and left for U.S at 1983. Do any of you netters came from this
> high school.
> 
>      I can be contacted by:
>      e-mail: cheetah!tie@bellcore.bellcore.com, cougar!tie@bcr.att.com,
>              or tc2u@andrew.cmu.edu
>      phone:   908-699-5318
> thanks
> 
> tie ju chen

I think it should be Taishang county not TaiSun,?
From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (The Batman!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Where is ASIA CUP results?
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:48:36 GMT
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)

I know China is in final four of ASIA CUP.  But I have not idea whom
are they play with and when is next match.  I look both this group and
rec.sports.soccer and I could find any answer.  I will appreciate anyone
post the result on the either newsnet.  Or you can e-mail to me.

My address is "jxu@black.clarku.edu"

Thanks in advances.
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where to buy a PAL video camera?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:13:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

1) P.R.China
2) HongKong
3)Japan
4)...
...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What can we learn from this asia cup?
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:30:05 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Hope next turn to  be ours.
Feng Shui Lun Liu  Zhuang
Ming Tian Dao Wo Jia.
( FS turns, and gets to my home tomorrow)
Keep your hope alive.

X Xu
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM: a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:18:44 GMT

wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:

> Dear CND-CM editor:
> 
>     We were deeply disturbed by Liu Yujian's article in your special
> HXWZ supplement. In that article, the author distorted the facts, misquoted
> other people's words, stretched-out hearsay, and, more over, made up
> a theory out of his own speculation.

Where I can find Liu Yujian's article?  Please send me a copy.
Thanks!

wshi@cs.unt.edu
From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:03:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
  >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
  >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
  >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

Hay, are you brain damaged or what, even Bush/Perot congratulated Bill
(thoough I am not a big fan of his), what's wrong with IFCSS' move?!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china