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From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:51:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BuFExE.29n@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> rollins@bart.ee.queensu.ca (Mark Rollins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>|> yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!
>|> 
>|> any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
>|> available!
>|> 
>|> poobear
>
>Is Lee Haney competing this year ?
>-- 
Maybe not after his rumoured bout with Weider concerning the Twinlab
deal (is this right?).

Can anyone confirm that Lou Ferrigno will be in the Olympia?  How
about Lee Labrada and Rich Gaspari?  Are we going to see Bob Paris
come in last again?
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: rollins@bart.ee.queensu.ca (Mark Rollins)
Subject: Re: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:20:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
|> yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!
|> 
|> any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
|> available!
|> 
|> poobear

Is Lee Haney competing this year ?
-- 

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From: cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Refrigerating Potatoes
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:03:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuIxxI.5Fu.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <79547@ut-emx.uucp> shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bart Simpson) writes:
>In a cookbook I read recently it was mentioned that refrigerating potatoes
>converts the starch in them to sugar. (complex carbohydrates to simple ?)
>How true is this? I've certainly noticed a definite difference in the 
>texture of them, but is this what happens? Should be a matter of concern 
>if that actually happens, right?

Even if this does happen, it should not concern you.  The body is very
efficient at transporting and metabolizing carbohydrate molecules
containing glucose regardless of their length.  Thus the change from
"complex" to "simple" should make little difference.  Note that the
glycemic index of white potatoes is pretty high to start with.

Ken
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: djk@saki.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (just only me)
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:45:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.143544.10437@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle) writes:
|> From article <1992Sep11.193158.12536@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, by djk@saki.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (just only me):
|> > In article <1992Sep11.063347.912@mr.med.ge.com>, bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |> From what I just heard on TV dhat iron depletion may not be all bad.  They
|> > |> have found some coreolation(sp) between high iron levels, and heart attacks.
|> > |> I wish I knew more as this sounds interesting with loads of people gulping
|> > |> down iron suplements that may bve doing more bad than good?
|> > |> 
|> > |> Dennis
|> > |> 
|> > 
|> > From what I read in the Wall Street Journal the other day, doctors have
|> > linked high iron level intake to the production of free radicals.  Of course
|> > we all know that free radicals have been linked to the cause of things
|> > like cancer, heart disease, cataracts, aging, etc. (well this is 
|> > misc.fitness isn't it ;-) ).  
|> > 
|> > It is known that anti-oxidants help combat the free radicals in our body (on a
|> > good day each cell takes 100,000 hits from free radicals) which are caused
|> > by such things as normal metabolism, exercise, pollution, ozone, x-rays 
|> > etc.  For references to this see the April 6th issue of TIME magazine (cover
|> > story) as well as U.S. News and World Report (cover story - don't have
|> > date handy but it came out after the TIME issue).
|> > 
|> The problem here is that caffine is not an antioxidant. If you want to get
|> rid of free radicals try vitamin A, C, D, and E. I believe all are listed
|> as anti-oxidants. ( Try betaCarotene to get the A, no more posts on Vit. A
|> poisoning, Please)
|> 
|> > The good news is that supplements containing anti-oxidants can help.  Now 
|> > I know that this statement will not be popular with some people who read this 
|> > newsgroup and they will disagree vehemently with this statement, saying this 
|> > is "voodoo medicine".   But I would expect this from people who have little 
|> > or no knowledge on this relatively new topic.  I can get my hands
|> > on reams of scientific papers dealing with this subject.  It is not a
|> > new subject to the scientific community, only to the rest of the world.  
|> > If anyone would like more info, feel free to contact me.
|> > 	
|> Voodoo medicine would be to tell someone to drink X number of cups of
|> coffee for better health. Taking a vitamin suppliment in a proper dosage is
|> not.
|> 
|> > 			Doug
|> 
|> 
|> John

John,

If you reread my post, I said that high iron levels were linked to the
formation of free radicals, not anit-oxidants.  Anti-oxidants fight
free radicals.

BTW, from my understanding the anti-oxidants are Vitamins A, C, E, Selemium,
and Glutathione (sp?).  You are right about Beta Carotine though.  I have
not heard about Vitamin D as an anti-oxidant, although it is necessary for
proper nutrition and bodily functions.

			Doug
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How to work all muscles
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:44:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, westendorf@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:

> Does anyone out there know of a list of exercises that will work
> all muscles.  I'm trying to lose weight and wanted to build a 
>little more muscle mass.  I have access to a weight bar and some
> weights.  Thanks
>
> Mary
>
>

Try cross-country skiing, or an indoor simulator like the expensive
Nordic Track or the cheap-o Easy Glider.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bursitis in right shoulder
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:38:31 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <max.716428085@isis> max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler) writes:
>I have developed Bursitis in my right shoulder after these six years of
>regular exercise.  I noticed it a few weeks ago and it hasn't gone away.
>My chiropractor has recommended ice after working out, which he says
>is causing the infallmation.  Have any of you had a similar condition
>and did it ever go away?  Was surgery needed?  Thanx...
>-- 
max,

i suffered from bursitis for two months early this year.  my doctor put me
on motrin for a bit and told me to lay off any exercises that involved my
shoulder.  my trainer told me the same thing.  (you can't stay on motrin
for too long because it's real hard on the stomach....)  

this meant no delt work, and very little chest and back work.  basically,
anything that hurt was off limits.  stretching exercises are good, and ice
may or may not help.  the inflammation is very deep in the shoulder, and
ice just may not be able to reach it.  

you can look forward to working those legs and abs for the next few 
months while you wait for your shoulder to heal.  if you abuse your 
shoulder, however, you may be in for cortisone treatements and
surgery.  no fun.  

i recovered in two months, and started at the very bottom when i did start
delt work again.  my first military presses were with 5 pound plates, but
they felt GREAT!  now, some 7 months later, i am up to 45 pound plates,
and i've never appreciated my shoulders more (and they are happy too!).

and you won't fall apart after two months, either, so don't worry about
it.  in fact, my return to serious upper body work was marked by pretty rapid
growth.  

finally, i learned that behind the neck pulldowns are VERY tough on
the shoulder joint.  i had always felt a twinge of sorts when doing them,
but, because there was no pain, thought nothing of it.  now i very RARELY
do them.  we all suspect that those pulldowns were the culprits in my
case.  

good luck.

poobear
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: antacid loading
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:45:12 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <BuLAIn.1ry@acsu.buffalo.edu> v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>Hello netters,
>Although this is by no means a far run, I have fallen out
>of shape and feel strong lactic acid buildup which I am confident has hurt my
>endurance.
>I would like to increase my endurance by physiologically buffering lactic acid
>by using a powdered antacid.

This is ridiculous.  It's not the "acid" in lactic acid which impairs
performance, and your body has more than enough "buffering capacity."
You're only going to fuck something up -- don't waste your time.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:27:05 GMT

yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!

any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
available!

poobear
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:16:23 GMT

In article <BuFExE.29n@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> rollins@bart.ee.queensu.ca (Mark Rollins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>|> yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!
>|> 
>|> any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
>|> available!
>|> 
>|> poobear
>
>Is Lee Haney competing this year ?

no, he decided not to do it.  and why not?  i doubt that anyone will take
8 olympias anymore.  there are just too many good bodybuilders out there.
look at what's on the net, for instance.......:)

it was announced at the powerhouse grand prix competition, which i
attended here in massachusetts, that dorian yates took the olympia,
followed my mike maverone (sp?), and lee the flee in 3rd place!  poor ferrigno!

poobear

p.s., anybody know what the hell happened to shawn and vince and francois?
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jrgrad@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Janet Grad)
Subject: Sore feet
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:18:04 GMT

Howdy!

This is my first post to this group (or any other for that matter :-) )
so I apologize if this is a question that has been asked a zillion times
before.

I've been doing aerobics for about 4 years now, both high and low impact
and step classes (more recently), with a cardio component of about 35 
minutes.  A couple months ago I noticed my left foot cramping (especially
the toes) about 10 minutes into the cardio.  I thought it was just that
my shoes were just tied too tightly but now my arch has really started to
bother me.  I can't stand the arch support in my runners so I've
ripped them out.  (I tried several different runners before my wallet
dried out and I had to resort to this!)  Anyways, my guess is that I
have fallen arches and what I was wondering was if there was anyone
else out there who's experienced a simliar problem.  If yes then 
did you (could you) continue with high impact sport with some special
support in your runners?  I've made an appointment with a podiatrist
and I'm really hoping he won't tell me to take up swimming!

Thanks for any advice or stories you may have to share!  Please post
back here or e-mail me.

Janet Grad
(jrgrad@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca)
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Caffeine dosages
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I started using caffeine as a workout booster a while ago.
I started out with 200 mg aprox 1/2 hour before training, 2 or 3
days/week. This worked really well for me. I could lift more and
felt "psyched". By the second week I didn't feel the effect, so I
increased the dosage to 300 mg. The next week I had to increase
the dosage to 400 mg and so on. In about 2 months time I got up to
1000 mg. Obviously the nervous system gets used to the dosage and
requires larger and larger dosages to get the same effect. Does
anybody know how much caffeine you could take before it`s considered
"dangerous"? 
I read an article in the British mag "Bodybuilding monthly" some years
ago that the optimal dosage was 15 mg per kg of bodyweight. So a 220
lbs lifter would have to take 1500 mg. Comments?

BTW, if I stop taking caffeine for a couple of months I get good
results on relatively small dosages again.

Jan
From: emansell@miasun.med.miami.edu (E-MAN)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: SQUATS - put feet where?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:43:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: newssun.1992Sep4.214350.7138
Organization: University Of Miami, School Of Medicine

I've been working out for about 7 months now and have been
doing squats with my feet about shoulder width (maybe a little
more) and toes pointed forward.

The other day I caught something on the tube where a guy 
was saying that squats should be done with toes/feet pointed
outward at about 45 degrees.

Yes? No? Any comments?

And while we're at it, what is the reason behind elevating
the heels while doing squats?  I don't, but should I?

Thanks for any help and 
Later days...
Eric
(emansell@miasun.med.miami.edu)
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: SQUATS - put feet where?
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:43:55 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

emansell@miasun.med.miami.edu (E-MAN) writes:

> I've been working out for about 7 months now and have been doing squats
> with my feet about shoulder width (maybe a little more) and toes pointed
> forward. The other day I caught something on the tube where a guy was
> saying that squats should be done with toes/feet pointed outward at about
> 45 degrees.

> Yes? No? Any comments? And while we're at it, what is the reason behind
> elevating the heels while doing squats?  I don't, but should I?

Foot placement is supposed to shift the relative emphasis placed on your
quads, hamstrings, and glutes. You can experiment to see which position
you like best. The angle of your feet helps minimize the stress on your
knees. If you place your feet wide, point your toes out somewhat to ensure
that your knees don't suffer any lateral stresses.  With a narrower,
shoulder width placement, your toes should be pointed forward.

The board under your heels is meant to increase the emphasis on your
quads.  Also, some people don't have enough flexibility in their calves to
squat down without raising their heels off the ground--a bad thing, since
it's not a good idea to lose your balance with a coupla hundred pounds on
your back. I prefer working on calf flexibility if it's a problem, and
doing other exercises in addition to squats to further target the quads,
if need be. The key to squats is good form, not a lot of bells and whistles.

--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                      Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: chest muscles
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:20:03 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Keywords: how to develope
Summary: any suggestions

Hello, out there all you fit types,, I would like to address my 
chest muscles specifically .  can anybody tell me a list of exercises
that will do this,,,thanx and cheers

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
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From: tmr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Tim M. Read)
Subject: name of this exercise..
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK
Distribution: misc.fitness
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:05:47 GMT

I was wondering if anyone could put a name to a form of exercise I heard
about a while ago, so that I know where to look to get more information.

It consists (so I understand) of tensing muscles, (eg) as if you are pushing
against an imaginary object. Apparently the exercise is obtained by
different groups of muscles working against each other. The good thing about
this is that it can be done anywhere (eg on an aeroplane, or train journey),
without any equipment or space.

Any information would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

 Tim
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From: westendorf@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: How to work all muscles
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:55:21 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

 Does anyone out there know of a list of exercises that will work
 all muscles.  I'm trying to lose weight and wanted to build a 
little more muscle mass.  I have access to a weight bar and some
 weights.  Thanks

 Mary
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Self-Image (was Re: General Fitness)
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:03:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep2.202621.28342@sei.cmu.edu>, Anne Wulffraat writes:

> My question was about male athletes and eating disorders. Low
> self-esteem is a major component of eating disorders, and a common
> (and largely unacknowledged) disorder is the so-called "exercise
> bulimia" in which the athlete exercises fanatically in order to
> reduce the guilt of eating.

I've never encountered this phenomena among male bodybuilders.
Bodybuilders tend to have a structured approach to exercise (8 sets
for legs on Tuesday, 8 sets for chest on Wednesday, etc.), and this
tends to steer people away from periods of frenetic exercise.  I'm
sure the phenomena exists, but not to any significant extent,
since it has a negative impact on the physique.

...
> Sorry to go off, but I'm writing a thesis on all of this (can
> you tell?) and I'm tired, frustrated and terribly surprised at the ignorance 
> on this subject.

For starters, I'd suggest you should get a better attitude.  I've known
exactly *one* male who had an eating disorder, and he was an anorexic
mathematics graduate student who didn't exercise at all.

In fact, how many documented cases of the frenetic exercising are you
aware of among men?  Do you know any personally?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Caffeine dosages
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:41:56 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <16456@pitt.UUCP> jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu writes:
>I started using caffeine as a workout booster a while ago.
>I started out with 200 mg aprox 1/2 hour before training, 2 or 3
>days/week. This worked really well for me. I could lift more and
>felt "psyched". By the second week I didn't feel the effect, so I
>increased the dosage to 300 mg. The next week I had to increase
>the dosage to 400 mg and so on. In about 2 months time I got up to
>1000 mg. Obviously the nervous system gets used to the dosage and
>requires larger and larger dosages to get the same effect. Does
>anybody know how much caffeine you could take before it`s considered
>"dangerous"? 

You're in the range.  I wouldn't take more than 400 or at most 600mg
at a time.

>I read an article in the British mag "Bodybuilding monthly" some years
>ago that the optimal dosage was 15 mg per kg of bodyweight. So a 220
>lbs lifter would have to take 1500 mg. Comments?

This is a ridiculously high dose of caffeine.  It's amazing that these
people aren't having palpitations and other characteristic side effects
of caffeinism.  Are you sure this wasn't talking about rats?  They generally
don't have to function in the real world aside from participating in their
experiments.

>BTW, if I stop taking caffeine for a couple of months I get good
>results on relatively small dosages again.

Perhaps you might consider it an adjunct only when you need that
extra oopmph.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: larryf@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Larry Ferreira)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:19:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Wanted: NordicTrak Ski Simulator
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

In misc.fitness, g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:

>   ...                        If you mean that the NT allows you to exercise in
>  your 'target' exercise heart rate zone, then yes, I agree. However, when using
>  the NT, there are two events occurring:
 
>  	1) You are on a learning curve with regard to the technique of using 
>  the machine. Once you become proficient at the technique, it gets harder to 
>  elicit that 'target' exercise heart rate.

From my own experience, (I purchased a NT Pro about six months ago, and have
been using it for 30 minutes, six days a week since.), I find your point
above not to be correct.  It took me 10-20 minutes to learn the technique,
and I have only had to adjust the tension setting once in the six months
I've been using it, (I currently have it set at about the 4 mark.).  I
use a pulse monitor while working out and can reach my target range within
a minute.  I really enjoy the NT, it's worth the bucks, IMO.

>  	2) As you get fitter, you require more resistance to elicit that 
>  'target' exercise heart rate. As I understand the NT machine, you quickly run 
>  out of resistance settings.

Like I said above I'm currently at setting 4 and the NT goes up to 9.
If I ever get that far, there is also a belt adjustment I can make which
will allow me to recalibrate the tension belt.  I don't see any problem
in running out of resistance settings.

>  Nordic Norm

Larry Ferreira
e-mail:larryf@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness