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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:26:48 GMT

weinri@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kevin Weinrich) writes:

>The lack of a history and command-line editing functions (as exist
>in VAX and/or csh command-line interfaces to VMS or UNIX, respectively)
>limits the functionality of command-line GIS interfaces.

Our original command driven programs had a neat feature called command
recall - which would open up a designated editor (using the EDITOR env var
on unix, or something similar on VMS) and allow you to EDIT you last query
sequence.  You could then run it like any other command input file.  Of
course, now we have a motif interface and this command system has fallen by
the wayside.  I prefer the command interface, but the marketplace prefers
the motif one.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"I don't have time to think it through: I've got to get this code written!"

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Organization: Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina/BRASIL
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:25:42 BSC
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From:         lucilene antunes de sa <ECV3LAC@BRUFSC.BITNET>
Subject:      hello

please add me to your mailing list.

my name is lucilene antunes correia marques de sa. i am brazilian.
i am a msc. graduate student at the department of civil engineering,
federal university of santa catarina.

i work in the area of multipurpose cadastre.
my advisor is flavio felipe kirchner.

my basic interests are in all gis- related issues, mostly gis applications
urban and municipal, and technology (photogrammetry/remote sensing/scanning/
gps/cad/systems integration/other).

my address is
lucilene antunes c. m. de sa
rua tenente silveira, 93 - apto. 33
centro - florianopolis - sc
88010  - brazil

                         thanks
From: slshf@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: need help on DEMREAD program for AIX RS/6000
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:03:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi, there:

Could somebody there send me a demread program for AIX RS/6000 machine? I need
it to convert the fixed-length record USGS 7.5' DEM to a vairable-length one so
that I can read the DEM to a LATTICE format under the ARC/INFO TIN enrionment.
We don't have the demread file here.

Please direct your reply to slshf@cc.usu.edu. Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Weimin Wu

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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: A newsgroup/mailing list question (not directly GIS related)
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:58:50 GMT

I've got a question for this group:

Why is it that in this newsgroup, far more than any other newsgroup, the
subject lines mutate all the time.  I've seen at least 7 different subject
lines for the interfaces debate.  Is it because of the bitnet gateway?

I suspect that some people on the bitnet end don't have mailers or
newsreaders that can preserve a subject line, so they just make up something
similar.  Is that true?

I only ask because it is sometimes hard to follow long threads when the
subject lines mutate without any bearing on the mutation or non-mutation of
what is being discussed.  I can hack the fact that sometime the subject gets
a 'FW:' or 'RE ' prepended to it, and usenet newsreaders already know what
to do about 'Re:', but the other mutations are really wierd.

FYI: I've spotted these subject lines for this thread:  (I've stripped out
the 'Re:' variations, because that's standard usenet practice)

A little more on the GIS Interface debate
GIS Interfaces
GIS Interfaces: we do agree
RE GIS interfaces
RE: GIS Interfaces
FW: GIS Interfaces
User-Interfaces: Different Strokes
What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
interfaces - still going?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"I don't have time to think it through: I've got to get this code written!"

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From:         Jim Westervelt <westerve@ZORRO.CECER.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Book thanks
X-To:         GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu

Thanks for the responses to a plea for identifying a book with a few
clues.   Thank you all very much.  Here are some of the books that got
suggested by you folks on the net:

Tom Poiker suggested:
    TITLE:      Principles of geographical information systems for land
                   resources assessment
    AUTHOR:     Burrough, P. A.
    PUBL.:      Oxford (Oxfordshire) : Clarendon Press ; New York : Oxford
                   University Press,
    DATE:       1986


Peter Booth suggested:
    TITLE:      Interpreting multivariate data : proceedings of the
                   conference entitled "Looking at Multivariate Data" held in
                   the University of Sheffield, U.K. from 24-27, March, 1980
    AUTHOR:     Looking at Multivariate Data (1980 : University of Sheffield)
                Barnett, Vic.
    PUBL.:      Chichester (England) ; New York : J. Wiley & Sons,
    DATE:       1981
    ISBN:       0471280399


Cliff Behrens suggested:
    TITLE:      The statistical analysis of spatial pattern
    AUTHOR:     Bartlett, Maurice Stevenson.
    PUBL.:      London : Chapman and Hall ; New York : Wiley,
    DATE:       1975
    ISBN:       0470054670


Alberto RIO suggested:
    TITLE:      Spatial analysis; a reader in statistical geography
    AUTHOR:     Berry, Brian Joe Lobley, 1934- comp.
                Marble, Duane Francis, 1931- joint comp.
    PUBL.:      Englewood Cliffs, N.J., Prentice-Hall
    DATE:       1968
              Title: Spatial analysis and location-allocation models / edited
by
                      Avijit Ghosh, Gerard Rushton.

   Publication Info: New York : Van Nostrand Reinhold, c1987.
  Phys. Description: ix, 373 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
             Author: Leung, Yee.

Wm. Randolph Franklin suggests:
      Title: Spatial analysis and planning under imprecision / Yee
              Leung.

      Title: Spatial analysis and spatial policy using geographical
              information systems / edited by Les Worrall.

The original book I was searching for:
    TITLE:      The statistical analysis of spatial pattern
    AUTHOR:     Bartlett, Maurice Stevenson.
    PUBL.:      London : Chapman and Hall ; New York : Wiley,
    DATE:       1975

    SUBJECT:    Spatial analysis (Statistics)
    FORMAT:     ix, 90 p. : graphs ; 23 cm.
    ISBN:       0470054670
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:33:17 -0400
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From:         hoffmann@URZDFN.KARTOGRAPHIE.TU-DRESDEN.DBP.DE
Subject:      RE: Spatial statistics question - analysis at different scales?

Have a look onto BERLYANT: Obraz prostranstva - karta i informacija !
Moscow: "Mysl'" 1986. A.M.Berljant is holding the Chair of Cartography and
Geoinformatics at Moscow State University (Russia). You should find a lot of
mapped (!) spatial statistics... even at different scales.
The book I reviewed at this list last year...
Frank Hoffmann, Dresden
From: weinri@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kevin Weinrich)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:01:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug17.150150.3667
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

The lack of a history and command-line editing functions (as exist
in VAX and/or csh command-line interfaces to VMS or UNIX, respectively)
limits the functionality of command-line GIS interfaces.

-Kevin Weinrich   weinri@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:58:15 GMT


With regard to my query about interface satisfaction, it would probably
be best if you indicate the GIS with which you are familiar and those
that you currently operate or use.

Bob Jacobson
WORLDESIGN
From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:33:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug18.063325.18189
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle

In article <1992Aug17.183333.25369@lut.ac.uk> C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk
(Conn Copas) writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.223806.9116@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:
>>
>>What do you think about interfaces?
>
>May I respectfully suggest that you could be in danger of asking the wrong
>question in this sort of forum? Shouldn't it be more like : "From your
>experience of GIS training difficulties and durations, what do you think about
>interfaces" (presuming you mean user interfaces).

This is more elegant but I was hoping not to lead replies.  Training
difficulties and durations pretty much sums up the situation today.

Bob
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From:         jhr@GDWB.OZ.AU
Subject:      Re: GIS USERS
X-To:         GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu

> Is this a question to the WORLD?
> I think you are only interested in the USA.  Remember, we
> don't all live there.
>


You mean to say there are people outside the USA ?



     ; )



Julien
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:34:02 BST
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From:         Martin Feuchtwanger <feuchtwa@SFU.CA>
Subject:      Re: interfaces and other capabilities
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              "R.J.Driessen@CENSIS.UTAS.EDU.AU" at Aug 21, 92 9:38 am

Use of GIS technology by the general public will continue to increase
in all manner of arenas.  One day, for example, it (GIS tech.) will
become so advanced and so cheap that we will be using The Yellow GIS.
Often, when i use The Yellow Pages i do a lot of quick sequential
processing of the entries to find the dentist, car rental, computer
store, etc, *nearest* to my house.  The Yellow GIS will allow me to
specify the general category, eg, car rentals, and various conditions,
eg, light vans, cheap, within 2km, etc.  The catch is, i won't want
to learn any complex procedures or concepts in order touse it.

cheers,
                        Martin Feuchtwanger
Department of Geography
Simon Fraser University        internet:   feuchtwa@sfu.ca
Burnaby, B.C.                     phone:   604.291.4556
V5A 1S6          Canada             fax:   604.291.5841
From: Timothy.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Timothy Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: RE GIS interfaces
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:04:09 GMT
Organization: Science Division-Geology, Keene State College, Keene, NH
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In article <9208191540.AA00767@adriatic.universe>
esri!adriatic!jay@UUNET.UU.NET (Jay Sandhu) writes:

> A common reason given to build a good "interface" is that
> more people will start using it. Using it for what? How
> many common people want to build maps or manage natural
> resources? Would'nt you want them to know something about
> map building or managing resources before providing them
> tools to do just that! If the answer is NO, then the issue
> is no longer that of an interface, rather, what automatic
> rules do we build into our system for a user to be able
> to build a map or manage natural resources. This is a very
> complex task and how many systems do we know of that are
> capable of doing just that?
> (Yes, I do know that GIS's have many potential uses for
> the common people.)


As I see it, "getting more people to use it" does not necessarily mean
getting more common people building maps or managing resources, but to
get more of the map builders and resource managers to use GIS
technology to help them do their work.

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Tim Allen                                    tim.allen@dartmouth.edu
Science Division - Geology                      t_allen@unhh.unh.edu
Keene State College
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: GIS Interfaces: NO WE DON'T!!! (was: we do agree)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:09:16 GMT

Well, I certainly agree with Chris! The real functional additions that
I would hope to see are ones that we do not (by and large) know how to
do at present (time, etc.). With respect to making things work (and work
better), when was the last time your favorite GIS supplier came around
and asked you how things are working and what you feel should be fixed?
The rapid growth of the GIS industry has developed a focus upon sales
and I know of no GIS supplier who does any real market research.

I have complained about the lack of interest in performance before.
I still think this problem is going to break over the industry like
a tidal wave before long.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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From: C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Reply-To: C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk (Conn Copas)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:33:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.223806.9116@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:
>
>What do you think about interfaces?
>
Bob

May I respectfully suggest that you could be in danger of asking the wrong
question in this sort of forum? Shouldn't it be more like : "From your
experience of GIS training difficulties and durations, what do you think about
interfaces" (presuming you mean user interfaces).
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From:         Mike Frith <FRITH@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Minimum configuration for Arc/Info?

Try even 32 Mb of RAM. 16 Mb is the recommended minimum.  And go for at least
a 1.3 Gb hard disk.
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From: roessner@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Sigrid Roessner Tel 0721 608 3676)
Subject: Wanted !!! Services for BAUSCH and LOMB digitizers (HOUSTON INSTRUMENTS)
Reply-To: roessner@ipf.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: IPF, University of Karlsruhe
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:41:13 GMT

Does anybody know any german distributors or the producer of BAUSCH and LOMB 
digitizers (HOUSTON INSTRUMENTS).

The mouse of our 8 years old digitizer is out of order and we urgently need
any services to repair it.

 
                                  Sigrid

---

Sigrid Roessner, IPF-Universitaet Karlsruhe, Englerstr. 7, D-7500 Karlsruhe
Telefon: +49 721 608 3676                          Fax: +49 721 694568
Internet: roessner@ipfd.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:38:10 +1000
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From:         R.J.Driessen@CENSIS.UTAS.EDU.AU
Subject:      interfaces - still going?
X-To:         gis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

>Ah, but let us keep in mind that having the capability of doing something
>is not the same as being able to do it. Perhaps you might ask your
>secretary to explain how kerning is applied via her word processor...

Why do we have to assume that common people (once they get their hands on
GIS) will want to do the things that GIS power users want to do? Perhaps
they just want to do the average every day mundane things that a five year
old can understand.

I agree with Charles Bennington - we should not under estimate the
applications of GIS. We will not see where it can go until we package it up
and make it more accessable.

Were not the applications of the PC underestimated? - why on earth would
the average person want a desktop computer? After all, most people don't
get into science and math very much.

Rob
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Robert J Driessen
Centre For Spatial Information Studies, University of Tasmania,
GPO Box 252C Hobart, Australia, 7001
E mail:R.J.Driessen@censis.utas.edu.au   Phone: 002 202106, Fax:  002
240282
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From:         Marcus Lester <marcusl@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: User-Interfaces: Different Strokes
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I think that Martin Feuchtwanger touched on one of the most important
characteristics of a good interface (whatever that may be) for a system in
general use -- flexibility.  People have different ways of seeing the
world and different skill levels across many spectra.  And these change
with time, for the individual as well as the group. An interface that can
accomodate different skill levels, types of tasks and world views has just
got to be better than one that cannot.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but it seems that this is what we often
overlook.

Marcus Lester
Department of Geography  DP-10
University of Washington
Seattle, Washington  98195
marcusl@u.washington.edu
From: fogarty@VNET.IBM.COM (Bruce W. Fogarty)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Fractals for feature recognition in environmental applications
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:42:22 GMT
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IBM Federal Systems Company is interested in hearing from researchers
working in use of fractals for feature recognition in earth/environmental
science applications.  Of particular interest would be those who have written
algorithms to do this.  If you would like to share your research progress
with IBM, please send a note with a brief description of your work to:

        Al Adkins, c/o INTERNET:  adkinsab@houvmscc.vnet.ibm.com

NOTE:  This is also being posted to FRAC-L (Georgia Tech).

Bruce Fogarty
Research Computing Specialist, IBM (Academic Information Systems)
GIS, Environmental Sciences, Global Change, Statistics, Visualization
(214) 406-7399   ** Dallas, Texas **   Fax:  (214) 406-7523 or -7226
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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Minimum configuration for Arc/Info?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:52:46 GMT

In <9208121611.AA15181@govonca.gov.on.ca> Bob Maher <maherb@GOV.ON.CA> writes:

>A DECstation 5000-25 should do the trick for Arc/Info provided you are
>not planning on running version 6.0 of the software.  To my knowledge,
>ESRI has not ported the latest release to the DEC/ultrix platform.

 We're running Arc/Info v6 on a DECstation 5000/200, under Ultrix 4.2.
It's been available to us for a couple of months now.


>Whatever you do, be sure to get enough RAM - while Arc/Info will run
>with 8MB it is  s l o w.  I would suggest looking at 16MB as an operational
>minimum and get disk space (lots of it because ULTRIX is a hog).

 And Arc isn't?  I think they both qualify for the oink-oink award. :-)


-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429

-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429
From: 129.179.180.81 (K. Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: What is ArcView ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:15:28 GMT

Can anyone tell me what ArcView is ? 
How difficult is it to integrate an third party application on the top 
of ArcView ? 
What is the performance of ArcView for displaying map? (for example, how
long will it take to display 1 millions vectors on a RS/6000 5xx machine)
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:35:18 CST
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From:         Mike Frith <FRITH@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Seeking Information?

Where can I get a copy of the SDH symposium of the previous week? and
how much?
Is anyone familiar with the DBMS Informix?  What is it comparable to? and
where do I get more info on it?
Is there any digital data of the Philipines available to the public?

Thanks,
Mike Frith
frith@uregina1.bitnet
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From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: RE GIS interfaces
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:49:24 GMT

In article <BtAoqz.Ms@essential.org> charles@essentialessential.org (Charles Bennington) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.200409.16997@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Timothy.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Timothy Allen) writes:
>|> In article <9208191540.AA00767@adriatic.universe>
>|> esri!adriatic!jay@UUNET.UU.NET (Jay Sandhu) writes:
>|> 
>|> As I see it, "getting more people to use it" does not necessarily mean
>|> getting more common people building maps or managing resources, but to
>|> get more of the map builders and resource managers to use GIS
>|> technology to help them do their work.
>|> 
>
>The idea that the "common people" could not effectively use a GIS seems
>to be a bit shortsighted.  Think of the desktop publishing explosion that was
>brought about by simple interfaces.  Today, anybody with a PC or a Mac (etc.)
>can generate high quality typesetting without having to know very much about
>the underlying technology.  Imagine what will happen when that same level of
>accessibility is there for GIS?  As much as GIS has been dominated by civil

Hmmm. I have a bit of a different view on this. I use ARC/INFO. But I
also use a bunch of other sophisticated programs such as:

AutoCad
AVS
PV-Wave
PageMaker
Illustrator
on and on...

And what strikes me is not that the user interface needs to be simplified,
but it need to be MADE CLEAR. ARC/INFO's user interface is not only 
a "spaghetti interface" with no overall coherence, but those things
that are shared between modules have differing syntax, when they shouldn't.

When one uses ARC/INFO you get the feeling that several modules
were just "pasted together" with little thought for user interface
consistency or design. The individual modules are not as bad when
taken seperately, but even their interface is 5+ years behind the 
times.

Why this is I don't know.
But it is quite curious.

anne

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