HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:30:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.181435.21969@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.153948.>@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>>>
>>>Have a heart, those girls give all their sweat and blood for the
>>>gold/silver/bronze, and you sit there laughing at them?
>>
>>Yes, more than that.  They also give their bodies, marriages and 
>>family lives so that you can say "I'm proud of being a Chinese."
>
>Thanks for mentioning that. I for one feel really hard to jump
>and joy the "proud" feelings that expressed here by many netter.
>We have to reallize that most Chinese athlets are backed by a 
>Sports Machine that runs like a military machine, and most
>American athletes are on their own and have a life out of the
                       ?????????????
YEAH! RIGHT! What are those companies doing if most of them
are on their own. What has the defected Romanian gym coach been 
doing all these years by collecting very young girls in Houston.
And all those atheletes appear in commercials  for free?
Remember. The only difference between the Chinese and U.S. athletes
in terms of financial support is the source(One by government as many
many governments do, the other through indirect government supports(e,g.
have access to public facilities at nominal cost) plus a lot more
commercial supports. Olympics requires money one way or the other.
The source of funding has more to do with the economic systems than
idealogical thinking. Don't assume people are playing unfair simply
because they practice differently or are funded differently. These
are not Olympic goals. Showing the best of one's ability is as long
as no ILLEGAL means are used. Do not preach the idea that simply
because the U.S. has better economy, everyone else has to do its
way!
>sports they play.
>
>>We are not here to laugh at them.  We feel sorry for them.  We do
>>not like to see that they have to sacrify their bodies, marriage
>>and family lives to satisfy our selfish pride (more of A-Q pride).
>>
>>The meaning of Olympic is not for the medal, not for our selfish
>>pride and not for cruel body abuse, but rather for the upward
>
>Agree.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:38:46 GMT

In article <l7hb2eINNi1o@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
writes:
> In article <1992Jul31.004147.17860@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <l7grelINNg72@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
> >writes:
> >> In article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu> xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu  
> >(Xiaowu Zhu) writes:
> >> >	Hello netters :
> >> >	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.
> >> >
> >> 
> >>    Everybody or his ancestor except native Indians is/was foreigners.
> >> This land is yours, don't be too shy.  This is America, every body
>     =================
> >> basicaly has the equal rights, as long as you know how to keep and 
> >> use it.
> >> 
> >>   Don't discriminate yourself.
> >
> >
> >No! Before you become an American citizen, this country is not yours. 
>                                              ========================
>     I did not say this "country is yours", I said "the land is yours"
> which means you have many rights even if you are not a citizen. At least,
> I can complain NBC's coverage.

Yes! This is a free country and everybody has his/her right to complain. A drug
addict can also complain why the govenment prohibit drug abuse. The point is  
the complain should be reasonable. NBC only has several hours a day for Olymplc
Games and it has to choose what American people want to see. Otherwise, Chinese  
want more for Chinese team, Japanese for Japanese team and British for British  
team. You can imagine what a chaos it will be!! Don't be too demanding! I found  
some people can very well live under a totalitarian govenment in stead of a  
democratic one. This is really interesting. I hope it is not because of human  
nature.

Frank

> 
> 
> After you  
> >become a U.S. citizen, you should not blame NBC since you are supposed to  
> >support your own country.
> 
>    Oh yeh?  Just because I should support Dream team, dosen't mean I have
> no chance to watch other world class players.  Last night, after US team
> won gold medal for man's 4X100 freestyle, there was no coverage whatsoever
> of the United teams and Germany team in the awarding ceremony, both world
> class player.
> 
>    Still remember CNN's coverage in Baghad during Gulf War ? It is very
> exciting that you can see both side on the battle ground.
> 
> >It is true that most of the people here have ancestors from foreign  
countries,  
> >but as soon as they settled down here, they regarded themself as Americans.
> 
>   But they still have some sort of emotion toward their origin, especially
> the early generations.
>  
> >Take it easy my friend.
> >
> >Frank 
>
From: gsun@cs.purdue.EDU (Gang Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:29:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


In article <1992Jul29.183930.1269@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul29.182524.3626@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
|> >Wake up, folks, watch out what kind of car China is to buy from U.S.
|> >before you start celebrating and congratulating on the deal!!
|> 
|> 	Well, I have no idea on cars and don't know about the deal 
|> (especially with what PRICE they are buying the Ford Tempos).  But if it
|> is a bad deal, I believe part of the blame should go to the pressure on
|> MFN status China is facing now.
|> 
|> 	Remember one of the major incentives to impose conditions on
|> China's MFN is the trade surplus enjoyed by China??  IFCSS' President has
|> openly testified to U.S. politicians that China's "trade surplus should be
|> stopped".  I guess they are achiving something on it now...  Yeah, right!
|> 
|> 
|>     Eddie


I agree with Mr. Cheng.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:01:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.194406.28133@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.182524.3626@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> 
>xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>
>>[OK you know how much I hate the Tempo by now. :-)]
>>
>I don't like it either.
>
>>Whoever made the decision or was sold on the Tempos deserves to be
>>rolled over by them.
>>
>But before you call it a bad deal, you better know what the prices are.
>It could be a super deal if the prices are right.
>
>
I thought they were going to buy the '93 model, which is a totally new
design. It could be associated with Mazda, like Probes, Escorts...
Maybe the 93 model isn't bad at all...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:48:53 GMT

In article <fortony.712455562@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
>
>>In article <fortony.712377814@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>>>In the women's diving competition you mention, the winner was so ridiculously
>>>good and so superhuman in her style that she stopped being interesting.
>
>>Thanks for the best laugh I have had in days. Who needs "rec.humor"
>>after this?
>
>Sorry to hear it.  I was being quite serious.  If given a choice between
>watching a technically perfect but somewhat boring Chinese diver who's
>guaranteed to win and watching an older, flawed but spirited American
>diver, I'm going to make the second choice every time.  At least the
>American had expressions on her face.

Even though I finally find out that you were serious, I would like take 
your above statements as another joke. What kind of impressive expressions
had you observed in her, while many others might have missed? I was so 
dumb that I didn't notice the reason for which the coverage focused on her 
face for that long. 

>I don't know the first thing about Olympic Diving.  I'm not watching
>it for the technical angle, I'm watching it for the human, competitive
>angle.  The Chinese diver could have been a robot, and nobody would
>have noticed.  Period.

I see. Let's go outside to watch those kids playing all kinds of games.
They are nearer to the real life, vivid, competitive and clumsy.

>>(I, at least, have stopped watching the nightmare team, and won't
>>start watching them again until the semis, when at least I can see
>>them sweat a few drops here and there)...
>
>I think Croatia was supposed to be one of their toughest competitors.

Maybe Litheuwan(?) will be the next.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Chinese Female & Male Athletes in Olympics
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:16:46 GMT

>Given that the gap does exist between Westerners and Chinese men in physiques,
>does anyone has any suggestion, good ideas on how China can shorten this gap?
>How can China improve on male sports that require bulk and strength?
>
This is true and a sad fact. However, many of the gold medals won by
the westerners are earned by black man. So, I would suggest China to allow
1 millions African immigrant to China. Then, given some times, we will see
black Chinese to beat up every westerners in gold medal hunt.
Alternatively, Hans people should consider mix marriage with black people
to improve their physical strength.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: AK 47
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:33:37 GMT


20-Jul-92 20:37	esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui)Re: Guns, guns, guns...

>P.S  The AK-47 is banned in the US after the one shooting incidents. 

Not true.  You can buy them almost anywhere except in big cities.
----------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re:
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:13:43 GMT

>>>Tell you one thing you should always keep in your mind: Western 
>>>countries are always tring to dump out-of-date to the developing 
>>>countries, at the same time that they move chemical plants to
>>>these countries! US is very tough in exporting Hi-Tech products 
>>>to China, including computers. They dumped a lot of 70s computers 
>>>to China in late 80s, but in CHEAP PRICES.
>>
>>$10,631 for a Tempo certainly ain't cheap.

If the postal expenses is included, not bad.
 
>>Do you expect that first class products are imported to China?

This entence had been revised 3.14D1 seconds ago.

>>Why not? China's spending the big bucks anyway, why not the better
>>VALUES? China did import a whole herd of M-B's for use as Taxies.
>>Ain't those first class products? :-)
>>
>>One of the GM officials commented, after the deal was sealed, that
>>it is expected that the deal would help China gain MFN. China's
>>essentially buying the Tempos (and Chrysler Maxi- and Mini- vans,
>>and GM Minivans and SUV's), for the political leverage. But even
>>then there could've been better buys than Tempos out there. :-(

What a victory for IFCSS! Let's lobby for CFMN in the Congress!
From: lix@bucrsb.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:30:02 GMT

Jian Chen wrote:
>In article <199207230242.AA03814@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>>According to J. Chen, Mao was not satisfied by this vague and evasive
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<
<I never wrote anything about this incident because I do not have
<much knowledge about it. Maybe, lix read this from other people's
<articles.

I meant Jerome Ch'en's book "Mao and the Chinese Revolution". Since
the knowledgeabl netter recommended this book and I cited him in a
previous article, this time I took an easier way. Hope this is only
an interesting coincidance:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:36:45 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <9506@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> jan@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <1992Jul23.002704.6614@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>>Olympic Mathmatics contest:
>>   China No.1
>>   U.S.  No.2
>>   Romania N0.3
>>   CIA    No4.
>>Most U.S. team members are ethinic Chinese!
>>I wonder what U.S. media wills say about this.
>>Probably: Chinese are high skilled cheaters on Exame!
>
>I have a try.
>
>  There are only 60 math techers in China. All of them went to the States.
>
>CJ

The number 60 is a magic number now. Let me give another one.
Only 60 people in China, rest of them go to the States.

Good idea? Bad idea? :-)

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: address of NBC Sports
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:06:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: direct your flames to the right place


Here's the address and phone number of NBC Sports, gotten from
rec.sport.olympics:

NBC Sports
30 Rockfeller Plaza
New York NY 10112

phone: 212-664 2721

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                                    | --A friend at DEC Palo Alto in the Quake
From: jqtan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jianqi Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Image of mainland Chinese (was Re: No Dogs or Chineses)
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:36:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul22.221051.14299@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
(SAMUEL H CHEN) writes:
>
>I think the above examples epitomizing the corruption and rots of the Chinese 
>society.  All Chinese need to take a long hard look in the mirror and start 
>self-criticizing and make your chairman Mao proud.  I can hear him turning in 
>his grave right now.

The Taiwanese tourists and businessmen are quite notorious for their conduct.
Well, it could some, and especially a small handful of them, let's be safe.
But that very few has tarnished the so called "good clean image of Taiwan".
It's not we Chinese who have done it, but your very own people.

There is a recent article in World Journal saying that the Taiwanese who
were caught sleeping with prostitutes in Beijing were sent to a chicken
farm nearby.  What would they do on a chicken farm?  Raise chickens.  If one
chicken is dead, they have to pay 5 yuan.  And the government sent their
whereabouts to their employers in Taiwan, so that their employers would
know that they are indeed not wasting their time, they are feeding the
chickens.  How wonderful.  And their passports were stamped "Se Lang (color
wolf)" and "E Gun (evil stick)".
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to Translate?
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:02:20 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <1772@kluge.fiu.edu> (27 Jul 92) stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
writes,

> Seems most people liked the interpretation of this verse [jiang1 shan1
> yi1 jiu4 zai4, ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2] as "contrast."  That is: although
> blue mountains remain unchanged, time has changed.  This "time goes like
> Yangtze" (Shi4 Zhe3 Ru2 Si1) interpretation inevitably resulted in some
> petty bourgeoisie sentiment. 8-). But Mr Lou was petty bourgeoisie not.

Are you sure those fisher-scholars and timber-scholars in the 14th century
were less sentimental than the petty bourgeoisie of '30s (or '90s, for
that matter :-)?

    In any case, to say "time goes like Yangtze" doesn't inevitably result
in some sort of sentiment.  The Reddest Sun Chairman Mao used it once in
his poem, swearing to launch a couple of megaprojects quicker because time
passed so fast.  How would we like he only got sentimental!

> I think this verse should be interpreted as "blue mountains remain
> the same and countless sunset is always as red as before."  Only this
> can truly reflect the breath of vision of silver-haired proletarian
> fisherman and timberman (Bai2Fa1 Yu2 Qiao2). 8-).

As far as syntax is concerned, your translation is way off the mark.  There
are other off-the-mark translations, but I suppose they are just kidding.
However, I agree with you that this verse is not to contrast the solidity
of the space with the transiency of time.  What Mr. Luo said is, probably,
that neither the Earth (Qing1 Shan1) nor the Heaven (Xi2 Yang2) have changed
much.  The implied is very sentimental :-), came and gone are only those
gangsters and emperors, plus their ministers and generals.

    In Chinese classic, the Heaven (celestial objects; their movements;
phenomena caused by their movements) and time are often interchangeable.
It is acceptable to interpret "Xi2 Yang2 Hong2" as the passing of time,
though I don't think it is the best translation.

    In my translation (or interpretation according to Tuya :-),

        "All four dimensions of this universe seem to change little,
        But how the human history has made a difference!"

I lumped the Earth and the Heaven together as a "universe."  To me the
universe is a 4-dimensional space-time frame, to Mr. Luo it should be a
united whole of the two opposites -- the Earth and the Heaven.

    Can we interpret this verse using the special theory of relativity?
Maybe, but in the conceptional space within our mind.  Any way, it is the
topic of some more advanced "misinformation campaigns" :-).
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:19:36 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <l75tg2INNqjh@alcor.usc.edu>, zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul25.171400.6304@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> >In the same issue of TIME, the page after from cover. It has a article talk
|> >by those who have ABC knowledge about China, that is the picture that
|> >showing a CHinese diver in action. It put the diver in upside down position
|> >
|> >and legs and pale face(resulted from mometary distress of diving) in front of
|> >readers. The picture was used to make unfavorable point against Chinese.
|> >While all other picture of U.S. athletes show smiling faces.
|> 
|>   Tell you what, the Newsweek also has a similar photo "Gao Min jousts with
|> Gravity" putting Gao Min in an up side down position with an ugly facial 
|> image.
|>   Did you guys hear how the NBC reporter describe China team in the Opening
|> Ceremony. " a strong team... close country like east Germany, discilplined
|> training... they could get bonus if they win a medal.. ". Fair enough.
|> 
|>   Some people on the net are talking about switching to Newsweek. Don't 
|> put your expectation higher than Time. Very little if any about China.
|> After all, it is America's news magazine. I have subscribed US News & World
|> report, Newsweek for two years, Business Week for half a year.  I dumped 
|> US News when the international scene became boring.  I kept Newsweek 
|> because I have to read something. I can tell you guys that the Business 
|> Week is quite informative. I may dump Newsweek for Vogue.
|> 

There was one US diver who was asked in an ABC program about why Chinese
can do diving so well, he gave two reasons, one was because they worked hard
the other was that it was the only thing in their lives, that was why they
have to work so hard. Why can't he just accepts others are working harder
and achieving better, other judgements are totally unnecessary.

Lin Can
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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:36:37 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Jul31.071849.25463@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.021028.3849@news.nd.edu>, ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu writes:
>
>|> I think Mr. Solinsky changed the subject to something else. Here I use his
>|> logic to defend ALL THE CHINESE parents. I have to say that what I write 
>|> below is not what I think, I only use his logic, see how things going.
>|>  
>|> There are about same number of criminals in prison in the US and China. So,
>|> because China has roughly 4.5 times population than that of US, relatively,
>|> the american have 4.5 times higher chance to be a rapist. This is the reason
>|> they take HIV to Olympic. Any comment from Mr. Solinsky?
>
>The United States has roughly 4.5 times the number of criminals per capita
>than all of the other countries in the world. I forget where I saw the stats,
>but it was sometime in the past couple of weeks and it wasn't even close. The
>gap between the United States and the next nearest country is HUGE.
>
>As far as why the US has more criminals than China, I think that the answer is
>obvious. In China, you just kill them all. (This time I'm using real facts since
 ^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obvious? You must live in a fancy world.

>I was addressed in a descent manner.) The biggest Holocaust of all time has been
>the Chineese masacre of "enemies of the state". figures ranger from 45-100
>million killed with the median at around 80M. Compared to this Stalin was a

Are you talking about another China on the Moon? 100 millon, OH God, that is
one out of every ten. I have many close relatives, none of them got killed. How 
lucky! 

>petty thief and Hittler was the sort of fellow you'd like to have babysit for
>your kids. Naturally, there are very few in prison. Everybody else is dead.
>(Note that these figures only include people directly killed by the state and
>to not include the cultural revolution or what ever you call that). In any
>study of Holocausts, Communist China is always number one.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky