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From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What is 'letterbox'?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:09:57 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada

In article <1gig9kINNnnt@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:

>	Seems to me "lebeld" is describing the old boxed set (the one with
>the 3 Pan and Scan versions).  The letterboxed edition comes in a big box
>with a hologram  on the front and goes for about $99 US.

	Ok... It isn't this version so. How can I get it, in Canada? Does
it worth the price; those the quality is much better than the ordinary
versions? VHS-speaking of course... 8-] I do not have the chance to
have a laser-disq player...

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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: Is there an "Imperial Anthem" ? What about the Alliance?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:21:59 GMT

	The Rebel Alliance has a sort of fanfare . . . it's not always
used in conjunction with organized rebel activities, however.  The music
I'm referring to can best be heard and identified during the scene
in ANH when the Millenium Falcon is being dragged toward the Death
Star.  On the soundtrack, the track is "Inner City."
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Cool questions (was: why don't all you star wars fans get a life)
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:46:52 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <SS.92Dec13144047@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On 13 Dec 92 16:14:03 GMT, lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) said:
>
>lars4752> In TESB, who is this Hobby that Luke keeps referring to
>lars4752> during the snowspeeder scenes?  He's obviously must be a
>lars4752> pilot, but why is he cut from the film?
>
>I was another speeder pilot. He was mentioned in the script.
 ^
 |
Really...Who were YOU in ESB?  8-)

Hobbie is the dork who asks..."Two fighters against a stardestroyer?"


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:39:33 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hamill's Movie Career...Anyone?

No, Hamill *sold* the Detevtive #27 for $80,000 with two partners.
This was mentioned in an article I clipped from TV Guide around the time Hamill
appeared in The Flash.  I don't know the date of the issue since I only have
the clipping, so I'll just post the interview for everyone to read right now.

"A real Flash in the pan"

Mark Hamill *really* has his heart in his Feb. 7 guest stint as The Trickster
supervillain on CBS's The Flash.  The "Star Wars" hero has been a comic-book
collector for 20 years (he recently sold, along with two partners, an $80,000
Detective Comics issue No. 27, which introduced Batman), and The Flash is one
of his favorites.  So when the series debuted, Hamill's agents looked into
prospects of his playing The Trickster-a psychopathic criminal who takes on
multiple personalities and disguises.  It was a no-go for months, then Hamill
got word that The Flash creative team of Danny Bilson and Paul De Meo wanted to
meet with him.  "I thought I was going to have to pitch them on using the
character," he says, "so I went to comic-book stores and found every story that
involved him."  He also wrote four Trickster storylines to take to the meeting.
It turned out the producers "not only already had a script for The Trickster-
they had a shooting date and were offering me the job," he says.  "I tried to
keep a poker face... I'm supposed to be an adult, after all.  But inside I was
going, 'I get a Trickster-mobile!' "  And, finally, "*I'm* the one who gets to
do those great supervillain lines.  In 'Star Wars,' Shakespearean actors did
wonderful lines about plans for invasions, and thwarting opponents while I was
saying, 'Golly!  They're following us!' "

                                                    ---Eric
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: IG-88
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:39:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec15.220314.5740@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>	Some people have written on this net about how neat
>IG-88 looked.  Actually, I thought he was kind of spindly, but
>he *did* have a really neat machine-gun like laser rifle.
>Nevertheless, I think the concept of the character really makes
>no sense.  I mean, would a droid really make a good bounty
>hunter?  He'd have no human intuition to go on, and he
>certainly wouldn't have any way to make "contacts" like human
>bounty hunters could.  I read somewhere that his owners "rent"
>him out for bounty hunting, but I sure wouldn't pay.  I'd even
>hire out those hideous insect-like ones before him.

Why wouldn't a droid make a good bounty hunter?  C-3PO's a droid,
and he seems "human" enough to me.  So does R2-D2.  Now, I
wouldn't hire these particular droids as bounty hunters, but I
don't see why a droid couldn't develop a personality better
suited for the task.  Heck, if it can hook up with computers like
R2 can, he would be great at getting information, and may not
NEED "contacts" per se.

Another possibility, if IG-88 doesn't have the "intuition" to
be a good bounty hunter, and if he can't make "contacts," is that
he works with a partner.  The Marvel Comics SW series showed
IG-88 working with Bossk, for example.  IG-88 can handle 
himself in a firefight, possibly better than Bossk can (in the
Marvel series, he had some sort of sonic device to incapacitate
the lowly humans, but was unaffected by it himself).

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Melting SW toys
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:05:18 GMT
Reply-To: smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Dec10.090316.10542@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>

>Transport and my Droid Factory on the hearth.  Both had their
>exposed parts subsequently melt.  I found out about this the
>hard way, but I later used it to my advantage to creatively
>"sculpt" my toys, i.e. I had a battle-damaged X-wing before
>anyone else did.  Did this ever happen to other people?
>
>                                                        -Quinn

I was never quite as 'civilised' as that, I did quite frequently
burn a few of my older toys at the stake as it were, by building
small bonfires in our back garden.

Another 'special effect' I used to do found a use for the plastic
bubbles the figures came in. Fill them with water, stick a figure
inside them (for some reason I chose Han Solo as my first choice),
and pop them in the freezer overnight. A bit slower than carbon
freezing, but the same effect.

Those were the days...



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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hamill's Movie Career...Anyone?
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:36:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec17.120425.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
>4. Now here is a real gem. Back in 1987 he wrote an introduction to a Batman
>   graphic novel for DC (Batman: Son of the Demon). Yes, he is a Batman 
>   fanatic. He whined about the "terrible" TV show and how he likes all that
>   dark and grim and gritty stuff that the new Batman is/was into. (this was
>   before all of us Bat-fans killed off the boy wonder). vader@uwo.ca says
>   check it out!

As a side note:  Hamill and two other people (whose names I don't know)
all chipped in and got together about $80,000 to buy a copy of 
Detective Comics #27 (Batman's first appearance).  From what I've heard,
this is the largest amount of money ever spent on a single comic book.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Shuttles
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:45:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <Bz9q06.B5v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lord of the Sith) writes:
>joshuali@sal-sun55.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>
>>They sure look like they have hyperdrive in ROTJ. I think it's standard.
>>I think it would have been rather expensive for the rebellion to fit ALL
>>of it's fighters with hyperdrives for the attack on Death Star #2.
>
>Are you saying that you can see the hyperdrive engine?  I doubt it...
>So, I would have to propose a type of hyper-drive "pull" created by the
>larger ships at the beginning of the jump to DS2.  Either that, or tractor
>beams designed for this purpose.  There certainly were a lot of ships at 
>the jump point, and it would have been VERY expenxive to have all the
>ships fitted with hyperdrive.  You actually seem to have lost me on this
>one.  First you say it looks like they have it, then you say it would
>be too costly for all ships to have it.  Can you say paradox?

NO...I was saying (according to your theory-fighters can have a hyperdrive
added later) then it would be expensive to add hyperdrives to all the 
fighters, according to your theory.

Look closely next time...the fighters enter hyperspace BEFORE the big ships.
Sorry, there is no hyperdrive tow...the fighters all have hyperdrive. Small
ships enter hyperspace and then the big ships.


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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's voice
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:15:55 GMT


	This is what I hear: his voice was the same in the
first two films, but it was slightly more electronisized for
ROTJ.
						-Quinn
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: Do Vader know Yoda?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:19:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.071405.14324@cc.umontreal.ca> lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel) writes:
>
>	Have you noticed that Vader doesn't seem to know that Yoda exist,
>as each time Vader 'congratulate' Luke for his use of the force, he complete
>the phrase with 'Obi-Wan tought you well' (or something along those lines
>as I mostly saw the trilogy in french). From memory, it seems to me that Vader
>never referenced Yoda as the teacher of Luke; why? Yoda is supposed to be
>a 'big' player in the Jedi thing, no?
>
I think it is quite clear that Vader (and the Emperor) know not of Yoda. Yoda
goes to EXTREME to keep his existance a secret. He (it) chooses to live on
a rather unattractive (Mudhole, as Luke put it - I think) planet. The manner
used to get Luke aquainted with Yoda's hide-away (Ben's ghost appearence), is
consistant with the obssesive secrecy of the Yoda-hideout.

The existance of a Jedi-master, not known to the empire - was the "ace-in-the-
hole" for the "good-side" people. Vader and the Emperor were under the
impression that Luke can get no training beyond that which he got from Ben on
board the MF (Vader says to Emperor in ESB: Obi-one can no longer help him.
Not clear if it is because ghosts can't train, or because Vader doesn't believe
in ghosts - "I shall become more powerfull than you can imagine"). Under these
false assumptions Vader instigates the cloud city confrontation - where he
finds Luke's skill "impressive!", and the Emperor chamber confrontation - where
he finds Luke's skill _convincing_ (and deadly too).


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From: rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani)
Subject: how much is the new Dark Horse comic worth?
Summary: sw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:40:08 GMT
Keywords: sw

I know there are six comics in the new star wars comic series. how much
are they worth? how many were reprinted?
Also, how much are those CLassic SW comics going for?
it seems to me that these are now worth more than the Marvel Comics series.
(I'm a little pissed because I have all 107 Marvel comics +annuals, etc
and they seem to be worthless :(  )

rajiv
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "why don't all you star wars fans get a life" thread
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:51:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <Bz81F4.LG6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) writes:
>
>Don't forget that the actor who played Admiral Piett appeared in the Terry 
>Gilliam movie, "Jabberwocky".  If you've never seen it, and like Monty Python,
>or enjoyed fish called Wanda, or Fisher KIng, I suggest it.(or even Brazil, if
>you have the time to watch it a few times to understand it.)

What about Porkins?  He later went to become Lt. Eckhart in "BATMAN"...
...it's true people.

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Subject: Luke facing Vader (WAS Re: "Strike me down" mistake)
From: wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:36:58 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <HAGERMAN.92Dec19161408@rx7.ece.cmu.edu>, hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman) writes:

> 
> That brings to mind another question of mine: In RotJ Yoda tells Luke
> that to complete his training he need only face Vader.  Now when this
> all started, Kenobi and Yoda used Vader as *the* example (in fact, as
> the embodiement) of the dark side of the force for Luke, and set Luke
> to conquer Vader and thus vanquish the dark side.  But by the time we
> get to RotJ it is clear that the Emperor is actually the worst guy in
> the galaxy; and yet Yoda still tells that Luke he must face Vader and
> conquer him.  Was it mere serendipity that when Luke "faced" Vader it
> was the Emperor who was conquered?  Or have I missed something?
> 
> - John
> --
> hagerman@ece.cmu.edu

I believe that a straight fight was not what Yoda had in mind when he told Luke
he had to face Vader.  I believe it has to do with Luke facing his feelings for
his father, and trying to turn him back to good.  I'm sure Yoda knew Luke would
try to do that, and if he failed THEN would fight Vader.  A good Jedi, if I
understand it right, will only fight when all else fails.  If Luke could turn
Vader back, then he would be a true jedi in Yoda's (whoever's, forces,
whatever) eyes, and if he failed, then he would have to defeat Vader in a
fight, and that would also prove him as a Jedi Knight.  These are just my
opinions, I have no "canon facts" to prove this, just how it is interpeted by
me.

-- 

          "I have a new strategy, Artoo. Let the Wookiee win." - C3PO

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          "In the Troopers, it's always bowb your buddy week." - Bill

                  -wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu

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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Loose C3PO
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:26:00 GMT

wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher) writes:

>  Why not try and make the thing your self?

You mean, like, paper mache' or something?  Neato.
I could make it life size.  I did used to have the plastic
model kit.  I think my dog stepped on it.  He was a big dog.

Jeff

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From: HDW@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:06:06 GMT
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In <2kBoVB4w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us writes:

> redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
> 
> > 
> > 	Here's a question:
> > 	What is your favorite Star Wars moments?
> > 	Like a scene, a line, a situation, etc. that you find
> > particularly appealing or meaningful.
> Oh, it's gotta be that grat scene in ANH in which Luke walks up on top of 
> his uncle's farm, looking away towards "Adventure & Excitement", towards 
> the twin suns setting, with "Luke's theme" playing in the backgroud. 
> Almost as moving as when he come back to a destroyed homestead. That 
> scene always makes me, a callous teenager, cry.
> "If they traced the robots here they might have found out who they sold 
> them to and that would lead them back--home."
> "Wait Luke, its TOO DANGEROUS!"                         -Lone Wolf


	One correction--when Luke is looking towards the setting suns, we hear
Ben Kenobi's ( the Force ) theme,  not Luke's theme--Luke's theme is the main
theme that we hear as we see the opening scroll in each movie.

	The force is with you, young Skywalker. But you are not a Jedi yet.

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From: walter@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler)
Subject: SW toys Memories
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:00:49 GMT


     I never melted my toys, but I always had a nack for frezzing my guys
in ice.  I guess that after I had seen the Empire Strikes Back, I decided
everyone in my collection needed to be frozen in carbonite (water).  This
was pretty cool.  I then had some people rescue the frozen guys and they'd
melt and then they would go home.

     Also, I had the Rancor Monster, a truly cool toy.  This guy could hold
figures in his hands.  The Rancor Monstor could swollow jawas and my little
sister's Yoda too.   It was quite interesting.

                                -Greg Walter
                                 walter@stolaf.edu 

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From: s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera)
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:00:40 GMT

In article <1gm1d5INNmgt@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> holland@geop.ubc.ca writes:
>In article E32@news.cso.uiuc.edu, sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>>smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn) writes:
>>
>>>And while on the subject on physics, has anyone ever come up with a really good
>>>quasi-believable reason why all the air in the docking bays of the Death Star doesn't
>>>escape into space ...
>>
>
>As the Falcon is being tractored into the Death Star and the music reaches a
>cressendo a voice says:
>
>"Clear bay 327.  We're opening the magnetic shields."
>
>Actually, that last word might be fields, or something, but it is definately
>a forcefield of some kind being dropped.  Of course this doesn't explain how
>our heros were able to get OUT of the docking bay with-out space-traffic control
>opening the fields for them.....
>
>steve holland (the man with no diacritics)

...while Luke, Han, Chewie, had gone to rescue Leia, Obi Wan was
deactivating the shields/fields...

the little tan man

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From: goldfoot-josh@yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Future Movies
Date: 12 Dec 1992 10:19:21 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <1992Dec11.233656.6377@u.washington.edu> redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.090236.16737@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>>
>>Okay, I have one question and a wish for the future movies.  My question is
>>does anyone know of any reference besides the Ewoks and C3PO to there being
>>a god/gods in the Star Wars Trilogy?  It seems to me that the Jedi are
>>religious in nature, much like a monk or druid, and they would have a purpose
>>to go out and defend civilization.  Any thoughts?  Off the top of my head,
>>I cannot think of any references though ...
>
>	I think that the "religion" the Jedi are organized around
>is the Force.  It seems to be definitely spiritual in nature, 
>especially from Luke's conversations with Yoda, which seem to 
>be influenced by Buddhist teachings.
                  ^^^^^^^^
I always heard Taoist teachings. The Tao is also a mysterious "force" that
exists in everything, is created by life, etc. (Although Taoists are unable
to move objects with the Tao). It's my understanding that Lucas, when writing
the series, worked with a certain sociologist/historian who had found common
themes in all world religions. Lucas certainly has some religious themes;
compare Luke's origins and actions to those of Moses.

In TESB, when someone told Han that he would freeze while looking for Luke,
didn't he reply "Then I'll see you in Hell!"?

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