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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Multimedia not need Soundcard
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:29:24 GMT

It may not be news to some of you but it is frustrating to have to buy a sound
card and not use the sound card.
	In Singapore they aggressively market cdrom with sound cards to get 
better profit margins when most of the customers do not need them. 
	They even demonstrate beethoven using a sound card when you can get
better quality without one. The demonstrators are caucasian and the company
was ALR, one of the biggest companies here.
	Most CDROM actually are MPC compatible. I believe even the cheapest
ones. It should have a socket for head phones. The CD sound can be controlled
by your PC. Some CD games even need this CD audio and does not use the 
sound card, because you can get better quality unless you start using your
PC sound card. The built in amplifier will add a lot of noise.
	For games and educational use, the CD audio is much better because it
actually is 16 bit 44.1kHz sampled sound unlike those from your sound card.

If they start aggressively marketing CD-rom only, I'm sure the price will
surely drop, especially when they abandon the expensive but slow SCSI versions.

With CD even cheaper than floppy disks, cd-rom drives also cheaper than hard
disks, we should rightly see more use for CD rom , if not for the marketing
blunder.

With only $200 dollars you should get 3D superlative sound quality with 660 
Mbyte capacity. Who needs hard-disks? You do not need GUS 3D card, wave blaster,
to get 3D sound. Just record the sound on the CD. You do not need high speed
CD drives. Imagine even the slowest SCSI CDrom drives at 0.5 access time is
acceptable. How fast do you think we speak? How long is the interval for a
music changeover can we tolerate? In fact the interval is good for us to have
a rest.

Who needs sound cards? If you want to do everthing yourself but how many of
us can do that? You need good quality microphones, you need good quality
preamplifiers(not the ones provided by cheap sound cards) to record music 
quality recordings. 
	Very few people need sound cards. The shynthesiser found built in is 
only for non-CD based games which should be redundant when the cost of
manufacturing the sound card is the same as a CD drive, the A/D converter may
be useful for speech recognition but you only need simple 8-bit, and the
software is not well developed yet, or rather no attempt to package it with
sound cards but you notice that it is still a small market compared to 
multi-media programs.


 



--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Problems installing OS/2
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:35:20 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <C19MJt.Avu@ecf.toronto.edu> dhaliwa@ecf.toronto.edu (DHALIWAL BIKRAM SINGH) writes:
>  
>  Well, install seemed to go smoothly on the 4th try.  When I was prompted
>  to take out the floppy disk and press return for re-boot the computer
>  gave me the start up screen and gave me a mouse cursor and then the 
>  hard-drive would keep trying to access something continuouly forever.
>  This time it did not give me any error.  You might be right about the
>  ram though.  I have 4 mb of Siemens ram (simm) in one bank and
>  4mb of Goldstar ram (simm) in another bank, both are 70ns.  I was talking
>  to someone else and they were also saying that the ram had to be the same
>  speed, which they are.  
> 
>  I tried the alt shift f1 key tosee what was going on it told me to
>  to try chkdsk.  I have tried this using the install disks then ESC to
>  the prompt, however it said it could not read my hpfs partition.  I 
> Set up the partition's using DOS floppy and the DOS fdisk.
> 
> Should I fdisk the hard-drives from the install and then install from there.

I had this problem with the OS/2 2.1 beta on one of the 4 machines i have
installed it on. I must have tried 15 ties to get a clean install! Then....I
noticed that if I let the light on the floppy drive go out *before* I removed
each disk, my chances of a successful install went from 0/15 to about 1 in 2. 
 
Is it OS/2's fault? I don't know. I do know that machine has one of the
cheapest I/O adaptors known to man in it.......real trash.
 
The problem you are having may have something to do with the RLL dive you
have. There is a new IBMST506.(DLL?, SYS?). OS/2 has had a few problem with
MFM and RLL. SCSI and IDE are much better.......:-)
 
If you are serious about developing and want the most stable environment
possible, think about getting IDE or SCSI drives. MFM and RLL are increasingly
becoming relics.....
 
Steve :-)
 


> 
> Please help me I really want to give OS/2 a fair try.  I think it has
> great potential.  I gave up windows programming so I could program in
> OS/2.  I really hope that t succeeds.
>  
>  My HD card is a WD 1006v, a RLL controller
>  my disk is a Seagate ST-277R.  I don't know what kind of
>  IO card I have.  My video card is a ATI Wonder with 512K of
>  video ram.
>  
>  Thanks.
>   
> (P.S : I also had problems at some time during boot up with my computer
> saying NO ROM BASIC from my AMI BIOS)
> 
> 
> -- 
>  
> .............................................
>  Bikram Dhaliwal (dhaliwa@civ.toronto.edu) 
>  Toronto        (dhaliwa@ecf.toronto.edu) 


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From: s106275@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Anssi Saari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Which board to buy?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:39:02 +0200
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
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In <C1F2KI.E7G@csn.org> dwahl@teal.csn.org (David Wahl) writes:

>I would avoid the Thunderboard.  I have talked with two dealers I trust
>here in Colorado Springs who won't recommend or carry them any more 
>because of SB Pro emulation problems with popular games.

Those dealers I wouldn't trust at all... Thunderboard is just Soundblaster
compatible, not Pro. Maybe those dealers don't carry Soundblasters either,
"because of SB Pro emulation problems with popular games."

Anssi
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:19:28 EST
From: Matthew E. Bernold <MEB117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster vs. PAS-Plus?

In article <1993Jan28.152727.29683@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says:
>
>usability from that.  Although the PAS+ manual is much thicker than the
>SB manual.  I have also collected a lot of stuff from the old
>SoundBlaster mailing list but I also noticed how the PAS+ is SB
>compatible.  So what I am looking for is more info on the PAS+ and the
>impressions of the SoundBlaster vs. the PAS+.

I think that the major difference between the two is that the PAS+ is
supposedly SBPro compatible, whereas the SB isn't.

>I am not sure what I am
>going to do with either board, yet.  I would think that I would want to
>do some computer generated music, maybe composing, and other ideas that
>in these modern times falls under the catagory of multi-media.

If you are concidering some serious composing, then NEITHER of these boards
are particularly suited for the task.  You would be better off with a GUS,
a Roland board, or a Turtle Beach Multisound.  My personal choice would be
the GUS (Gravis Ultrasound), but then again, I own one, so I'm biased to
begin with... :-)  (If you haven't heard the GUS, then you probably don't
understand just how good it is for the $130 it costs.  Puts ANY FM-based
board, from the SB to the PAS-16/SB-16 to shame)

       Matthew E. Bernold             MEB117@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
         <<APOCALYPSE>>                  meb@haydn.psu.edu
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From: ebraeden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric W Braeden)
Subject: Re: Computer Shopper Review...bad news for SBPro
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:31:48 GMT

Obviously somebody with test equipment is going to have to test the 
SBPro. I suspect that the SBPro CAN produce sounds greater than
2.6 KHz, but not record them. The real question is why is the recording
so limited in frequency. There is probably a bit more to it than the
possibility that they used a cheap ADC chip. 

Would somebody look at their SBPro and get the numbers off the ADC chip.
We should be able to trace this down.

Note that the telephone systems in the USA and Japan sample at 8 KHz
at 8-bit which would provide good reproduction of sounds up to 4 KHz.  
(There is more to it than this like mu-law encoding for cleaner sound.)
Since the phones bandwidth is limited to about 3.3 KHz this is fine.

The point is that the SBPro apparently can't even match telephone specs !!

Would somebody with test equipment please test this problem? If the problem
is real and not fixable, it sure eliminates the SBPro from the list of  
acceptable boards to record sounds....Let's track this down.

Eric


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From: ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Tim Tschirner)
Subject: New PAS programs uploaded
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:32:37 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

Hello PAS users!

I just wanted to inform you all that I've uploaded the OS/2 2.1 Beta
drivers to ftp.uwp.edu into the pub/incoming/proaudio directory.

I also uploaded a file called PASUTL15.ARJ, which contains the latest
PLAYFILE.EXE (v2.04), RECFILE.EXE (v2.06), PAS.EXE (v1.40) and PROAS.EXE.
PROAS.EXE is a a device driver like MVSOUND.SYS, but in .EXE form.
It's version number is 03.13, and t seems to be newer than the 03.11
version of MVSOUND.SYS.

PASUTL15.ARJ also contains the 1.45 patch for the 1.44 windows drivers,
plus some .WRI files on various topics such as DMA's and IRQ's, Pocket CD
and Pocket Recorder.

Tim

ittschir@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de


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From: sjm1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Iceland Boy!)
Subject: Re: MAXOK not working with GUS
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:23:45 GMT

ehobbs@nmt.edu (Eric Hobbs) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.200732.16911@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> norm@bnr.ca writes:
>>After recently getting my GUS card, I decided to try out the Maximum OverKill
>>(Commanche) demo I downloaded but no matter what the option, I can't get any
>>music or sound.  I have run the setup program (or whatever it was) and chose
>>both SoundBlaster and AdLib but neither will work.
>>
>>Anybody got the MAXOK demo to work with a GUS?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>  Norm.
>>
>>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> Norm MacNeil                     Phone: (613) 763-3372
>> Data Systems                     Fax:   (613) 765-2854
>> Bell-Northern Research Ltd.      EMail: norm@bnr.ca (INTERNET)
>> #include <disclaimer.std>       "Roller bladers do it in-line!"

O.K., I give up... I've looked everywhere, and maybe I'm just blind, but
I can't find this demo ANYWHERE!  I'd _love_ to have it.  Anyone know
if it's FTPable anywhere?  Archie doesn't seem to know...  Thanks for
any info!

---Iceland Boy!  Defender of Hot Springs and Icelandic Foods!
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From: tmorris@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Tim Morris)
Subject: PAS under windows - help!!
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:36:29 GMT

I've recently installed the drivers for the ProAudio Spectrum 16, which
seemed to work great - until I tried to use Windows 3.1.  Windows
sounds play OK, but when I launch a game from under Windows it
says "the adlib card is in use".  I downloaded the latest drivers
(1.44), but to no avail.  Any ideas?

Also, what's with the speech?  The speech from "Gods" doesn't come
out during the intro ('into... the wonderful...'), neither do the 
Street Fighter 2 samples work (although the music does).  Any
advice is appreciated...

Thanks in advance,
Tim.
From: hp@floor.uucp.risc.net (High Priest)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: MOD/669 editors and GUS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 02:29:24 EST
Organization: The 95th Floor

Are there any good quality .MOD and/or .669 editors/composers that will 
work with the GUS? (SBOS?)
If so, please direct me to where I could find them via anonymous FTP.
From: qwa@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ned Bedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Gravis phone number?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:42:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Could someone post the Gravis number?  Thanks in advance.

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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: DTMF decoding from samples
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:33:52 GMT

Such a program is listed in one of the TI DSP application books.
It's written in TMS 320 assembler so you'll have to translate it.
It uses Goertzel's algorithm (see Oppenheim and Schaefer, 
_Discrete Time Signal Processing_), which is a clever hack
for implementing several digital filters in parallel, sort of.

Really, decoding touch tones is a simple problem in digital
filtering that a current PC should be able to handle without much
sweat without having to go out and buy a modem...
From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Computer Shopper Review...bad news for SBPro
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I don't know what the article said, but it can't be wrxxx right, as I have
sampled on my SBPro, at several different frequencies (11kHz to 44kHz), 
and there is a definite fxx difference. Besides, anything much below
8 kHz (AM radio quality) would be almost unintelligible. And one
more thing: that's the NYQUIST theory.
From: baustin@billapc.UUCP (Bill Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Problem with SBPRO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:40:55 -0500
Organization: Ground Zero Group, Columbus, OH 43227

In <1992Dec15.175346.10784@ll.mit.edu> seto@ll.mit.edu (Seton Seto) writes:
>	Can someone help me please?  Whenever I booted up my computer, I would get feed back and as soon as the computer set the volume and everything, the feedback is amplified and is unbearable.  The one way I did fix it was to go and use the TEST-SBP.EXE and after going through all the tests, the feedback would disappear.  I called tech support and they said exchange the card.  I did and the problem persists.  Anybody experience this before?  Thanks.

>				- Seton

>PS.  I am running this card on a 386/40.  Could there be a compatability problem with the AMD cpu?

In my 386-DX 40 (MainBoards, with AMI 5-5-92 bios) this happens from time
to time on power-up.  
It seems to be related to the bus speed I'm running this machine at.
Usually 13 Mhz, other times 20 Mhz (Clk/3 and Clk/2 respectivly)
Just power off, count to 10 (for good measure) and power up again.
Within 4 or 5 tries, mine always comes up noiseless.  
Another method, boot up in non-turbo mode and switch up after boot.
I'm NOT certain if this 'problem' is CPU speed related, or bus speed 
related.
My problems started when I went upto 13 Mhz ont he bus, and this 
same card has yet to make a single replicable problem like you
describe on a 286-12 8MHz bus, or 386-25 8Mhz bus machine thats its also
been in.

Good Luck and enjoy your card.. Personally, this machine rarely gets
turned off (thus, if it never has the chance to screw up on initialization,
then its not really much a problem over here.)
Also, I've seen some patches, upgraded test programs, etc (other junk)
for 'fast' 486's.. Likely (just not curious enough to care myself) it
might also address this 'fast' 386 problem too.
baustin
From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS problems
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:19:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
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In article <C170Cx.A5s@athena.cs.uga.edu> tchang@athena.cs.uga.edu writes:
>
>Does anybosy out there using GATEWAY 486 DX-2 ISA machine (or Micronics 486
>motherboard) with GUS ?
>
>I am having troubles, need help!
>

I am using the GUS on 4DX2-66V, and it usually works.  I am using all the
default settings except for DMA = 7.  I did have to disable one of my onboard
com ports because it used IRQ 5.  But I didn't need it anyway.  The only
problem I have noticed is that sometimes Windows freezes up when I run some of
the software from epas, like GUSMOD or that DARETRO??? demo.  I usually need
to power down and up again before I can reload Windows (rebooting does no
good.)  I think that's becuase those programs leave the GUS in an unnatural
state.   I don't have any problems using SBOS or any of the legitimate Gravis
software.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Daretro demo and OS/2 (not a problem)
From: rwyckoff@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Richard Wyckoff)
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:28:53 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1993Jan22.223047.7176@mlb.semi.harris.com>, 
dhumphre@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Humphreys) writes:
> 
> Therefore, if you do try to run it under OS/2, answer NO to the question
> about performing a clean boot.
	I ran it under DOS, and answered NO (rebooted under QEMM-less config).
I didn't like the sound of 'Do you want me to attempt a clean boot', anyway.  
At least it wasn't going to do anything like change the FAT! :)  Thanks for 
the advice.
  
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: The best MOD file?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:19:23 GMT

I know it is like asking which is the best music but at least in music we
have the top 10 etc. 
	Is there such a thing for mod files?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: rgundech@napier.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: FTP sites for sound files
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:36:27 GMT

Could someone please mail me some FTP sites for sound files? I have a Gravis
Ultrasound, so I guess any 'mod', 'voc', 'wav' (and any others I dont't know
about) file sites will do.

Thanks to anyone replying to this post.

My mailing address is rgundech@napier.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: GUS - features and compatibility.
From: scarman@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:41:45 CST
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation

Hi all,
Can someone answer the following questions regarding the GUS.

1.I have an MT32 with MPU401, will the GUS coexist happily with this and
does it support the option to use both SBOS and MT32 as in some games eg.
Sierra type?

2.What is the sound quality like compared (subjectively) to the MT32/LAPC1?

3.Does it play the sound effects in Wolf3d well? Compared to the SB?

4.If I think the quality of the SBpro is poor playing music then would I
probably feel the same about the GUS?

5.Does the GUS have a MIDI interface?

6.Will the GUS run in a XT?

7. Is there a FAQ? (should this be question 1 ;-)  )

Thanks,
Gavin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert)
Subject: Windows NT (tm) and the PAS16
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:09:35 GMT

Has anyone gotten the Sound Blaster portion of the PAS16 to work under the
Windows NT (tm) beta?  From the "handout" that came with it, one could 
surmise that MicroSoft has done it, they have some recommended DMA channels, 
port addresses, and IRQs.  I have tried all these, and have made sure the 
jumpers on the board were set accordingly, but nothing works.

I've tried using the driver that comes on the CD-ROM, and tried loading the
PAS16 drivers (hoping it might work in a DOS box).  Nothing seems to work, and
when the installation script tries to initialize the board, it fails.

I'm certainly open to suggestion. . .

			Scott
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From: coleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael A. Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: Gravis UltraSound 3D!
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:23:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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Subject: Re: Gravis UltraSound 3D!
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>	down the hall to the right. All of Wolfenstein's soundFX
>	occur at the same volume level. It would seem that the
>	next virtually reality games will add location to sound
>	effects. That would be awesome!
>
>					Eric
>

	Not quite true.  SB Pro and SB 16 users hear enemy soldiers in stereo
at different volume levels.  Same with doors, etc.

	Michael Coleman
From: fuad@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Turnando Fuad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: External CDROM SCSI drivers
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:41:52 GMT
Reply-To: fuad@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Turnando Fuad)
Organization: CIPIC

I am using an ultrastor 34F SCSI controller with a MediaVision sound card. And
I have an external Toshiba CDROM Drive. I have tried to use the driver from
MediaVision but it only tries to look for the SCSI device on address 0x388 
which is the MediaVision Proaudio Spec card. Does anyone know if I can specify
an address for the SCSI driver from MediaVision or another SCSI driver for
external drives? I am trying to use this with Windows.

Thanks in advance.

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