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From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: BEER SIDE-EFFECTS
Date: 29 Jan 93 00:17:31 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <30249@oasys.dt.navy.mil> smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt) writes:
>
>    One woman I knew had reactions to only Anheiser-Busch products.
>Bud, Michelob, etc, would cause her face to get red and swollen after
>more than one or two beers.

	Just wanted to add a comment to this thread as well...my parents
used to have a beer with dinner every so often (like once every two or
three weeks).  They are in a town which doesn't offer much by the way of
good beer.  So, they sometimes (not knowing any better) bought things
like Coors or Budweiser (the American type).  Dad also often bought 
Beck's Dark, but mom didn't care for it, and subsequently drank the other
cheap-o stuff.  She complained of a burning sensation on her lips
whenever she drank part of a can (she never even drinks an entire can or
bottle).  I suppose she assumed beer "supposed" to taste that way (as
seemingly many Americans do).  
	Recently I, being the kind and considerate son I am, bought them
a case of assorted dark beer from around the world (Xingu, Paulaner Sal-
vator, Watney's Cream Stout, etc.)...20-some (not exactly a case) odd
beers for them to sample over the following months.  They have since tried
eight or ten of them, and in addition to their being extremely pleased
with every single one of them, mom has reported no unpleasant side
effects (such as the burning sensation) from any of them.  Whenever she
tells me about how much they like one of them, she also makes sure to say,
"And it doesn't make my mouth and lips burn like that cheap stuff."
	Now there are four people in my family who will never again spend
money on the so-called "Budmilloors" American megabrewery 'beers'.  I'm
enlightening (NOT "forcing" or "coercing"!) other friends and family about
what they're missing and what they're actually paying for every chance I
get.  It's no easy task, but I feel it's a worthwhile one...only two or 
three people I've bought a decent, tasty beer for have decided to continue
buying the Budmilloors-style liquid.  Each of them complained that the
flavor was too strong (referring in one case to Pilsner Urquell (!), which
is the style the American megastuff is trying [supposedly] to mimic).
	From my own experience, the only thing I noticed about the Coors/
Bud/Miller products is the sensation that I was drinking dirty water.  No
burning, really...just the unpleasant feeling that I had been tricked into
purchasing polluted city water with carbonation added.  Strange, eh?  :)
	Later (yikes...this turned out to be longer than I expected).
-- 
Ernest M. Crvich                       Pressure building inside your head 
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Compression pushing to the red 
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                Limbs are numb, control is lost 
Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust
From: au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Brew locales in San Diego
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:21:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Bill,
I was attending a meeting last year in SD and found that brewpubs
have caught on with the populus big time.  I think there are several
in town.  A newer one (name eludes me) is within a few blocks of the
Convention Center and is highly recommended by me, especially during
happy hour which then migrates to dinner time.  Plan to arrive for
a beer and dinner.  Enjoy.

	=cw=
cccbbs!craig.williams@uceng.uc.edu
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From: kevley@maths.tcd.ie (Kevin Crowley)
Subject: Re: Irish Beers in the States.
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:49:03 GMT

oscar@maths.tcd.ie (Owen Carter) writes:

>Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:

>>In article <1993Jan20.202329.19580@maths.tcd.ie>
>>oscar@maths.tcd.ie (Owen Carter) writes:

>>> Do not trust this person! His father is involved with McArdles! 
>>> Possibly the worst beer on the planet! He has no taste! Whatever 
>>> he recommends, avoid like the plaigue! You have been warned!

>>Perhaps he's chummy with Kevin, the fellow who can't seem to get enough
>>Budweiser. ;-)

>Well yes actually, Karl Bingham, Kevin Crowley, and myself
>all know each other quite well, more's the pity. Neither of
>them have any taste to speak of--at all! Drink Guinness myself.

Talking of taste-I know you have plenty of it Owen-you're only going out
with the ugliest girl in college!
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Finnish beer in the S
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:51:39 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

joho@pfbs.philips.se (Hans ter Horst) writes:
>I wouldn't know about the Finnish beer, but I agree with Ulf that Swedish
>beer is undrinkable. Frankly, IMHO it tastes like piss. Even worse, all
>beers brewed under license here in Sweden have that horrible taste.

Granted that most Swedish brewed beer is quite bad, esp. Klass I o II,
but to categorize all of it is bordering on bigotry.  There are quite
a few widely available beers that are extremely noteworthy - Falcon
Gammelbryggd, and Lagrad Carnegie Porter to name a couple..

>It must
>be that stuff they put into the beer that makes you puke if you drink too
>much of it. Honest to god, they put something into the beer over here that
>makes you sick (oxalsyra), as if beer wouldn't be enough. I'm told that
>they do this to prevent alcohol poisoning. (What I've seen of the Swedish
>drinking habits, it's maybe a good idea ...)

Skitprat!  (What bullshit!)
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
From: wnorris@drew.drew.edu (Two Bills)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: I MISS LONDON
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:56:03 GMT
Organization: Drew University

I spent last semester in London, and miss the beer terribly.  My 
everyday drink was Guiness (I lived in Kilburn Park for anyone that 
it would mean anything to), but we had a Youngs pub next door to my 
flat, and the Winter Warmer was fantastic.  Also, the people at the 
Black Lion on Kiburn High Road make a mean Black and Tan.  The best 
Guiness I had in London was at the Roby in Finsbury Park, but the 
atmosphere is a little odd at best....

Finally, in a town near Abergaveny (sp?) in Wales, we came across a 
place called The Star that had a tremendous selection of hand pulled 
ales, including a guest list of ten or so every weekend...

cursing the quality of American mass produced beer,

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From:  ()
Subject: Re: Old Peculiar
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:52:39 GMT

Admittedly, I've never enjoyed a cask of the unpasteurized product from
Masham, but... I find the version bottled by Newcastle to be pretty damned
good. Not great, mind you... I've had better Old English Ales... but it was
certainly not sewage or anything like that. But you must be a puritan,
which is fine. Just thought I'd offer another opinion.

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From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Yuengling Porter
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:02:04 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
In-reply-to: rose@bucknell.edu's message of 23 Jan 93 15:08:27 GMT

In article <1jrn1bINNe52@coral.bucknell.edu> rose@bucknell.edu (philip rose `94) writes:



>   What do you people think about Yuengling Porter?
>   I think it's great.  Great taste, and only $14 a case.

 In Boston it's more like $20 a case but it is a inexpensive
alternative to my fav's(SN and  AS) which are ~$9 a six
at most places around here. I do think they are superior,
but if I'm low on cash I'll get the YP.

-sjm


--
Sean J. Merritt		         |"Road-kill has it's seasons just like     
Dept of Physics Boston University|anything, there's possums in the autumn  
merritt@macro.bu.edu             |and farm cats in the spring." T. Waits
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From: sunil@netcom.com (SUNIL DHINGRA)
Subject: Check this one out ...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:25:27 GMT



-OK guys, while everybody debates the Aspirins/placebo to take, here is 
something serious to think about while downing those several cases...
In our inebriated states we have often come up with great thoughts and 
some mind-blowing ideas - so here is a chance to be ingenious on a very 
related subject and let your creative juices flow to fruition ...

A friend of mine is introducing an American brew in an overseas market
The brew to be marketed this summer,  for reasons related to the market 
is being projected as a beer from the Wild West . The can itself has 
been designed to an Western-American concept. An obvious issue coming
up is related to the name - most Western names seem to be already 
trade marked ( from rough rider, crazy horse, buffallo bill, stage coach,
saddle rack, lone star, colt, etc.. all seem to be taken.. ) .

so guys if you come up with something with a fair punch drop me a line; if
however, you think this net is an inappropriate place to mail this, save
the flames, have a beer and chill out.  I do promise to UPS a couple of
cases of beer to the winner's door. 

-have fun,

sunil@netcom.com
From: martimer@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan P Sawitsky)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: the person from cornell Re:Microbreweries
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:43:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

Will the person from Cornell that sent me the ifno on the above subject
please resend it. I had trouble saving it to a file as there was a
sys malfunction here. It was helpful, and I *need* it.
Jonathan Sawitsky
martimer@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Mark S. Rose <msr2@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Cherry Stout
Date: 27 Jan 1993 05:44:48 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:53:14 GMT

It's about time to brew my annual batch of fruit stout.  In years past my
fruit of choice has been raspberries but this year I plan on using
cherries.  I bought several pounds of fresh cherries this past summer and
froze them for just this purpose.  Most recipes that I've seen for cherry
beers use sour or choke cherries.  Unfortuneatly his past summer was not
good for sour cherries and all that was available were sweet cherries. 
What do you think about substituting sweet for sour cherries in a stout?

Cheers
Mark
msr2@cornell.edu
Dept. of Plant Pathology, Cornell U.
Ithaca, NY, USA
From: igl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Ian Glendinning)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: weiss (?) beer
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:51:12 GMT
Distribution: uk

In <61@beech.ukc.ac.uk> amd2@ukc.ac.uk (A.M.Douglas) writes:

>In article <igl.727456695@holt> igl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Ian Glendinning) writes:

>>Funny you should mention that - Augustiner is my favourite Helles beer!  The
>>only bottles I've seen in the the UK are the ones I've imported myself :-{

>Well, How about a postal swap next time your importing?

I'm planning to visit Munich again next month actually, but by `importing' I
only mean what I can take as carry-on luggage on a plane, which amounts to
about a crate's worth - twenty odd bottles - strictly for personal
consumption I'm afraid...
   Cheers!
     Ian
--
I.Glendinning@ecs.soton.ac.uk        Ian Glendinning
Tel: +44 703 593368                  Dept of Electronics and Computer Science
Fax: +44 703 593045                  University of Southampton SO9 5NH England
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: testing:Full Sail
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:02:39 GMT

basu@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Amit Basu) writes:

>ibromberg@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>>This is a test. Has anyone tried Full Sail Ale. I think its brewed in or near
>>Seattle.

>Full Sail is brewed in The Dalles in Oregon.  It is one of the larger micro-
>breweries in the region.

Close, but no cigar.  Full Sail is brewed in Hood River, Oregon,
downstream a bit from The Dalles.

--Jeff Frane

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From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Any bad Belgian beer?
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:04:30 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
In-reply-to: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu's message of 21 Jan 93 13:09:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.130951.13956@news.nd.edu> gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross) writes:



   In article <MERRITT.93Jan20152218@macro.bu.edu> merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean  
   Merritt) writes:
   >
   > [much stuff deleted]
   > 
   > 
   > My all time fav Belgian is Leffe, they make about 7 differnt types.
   > Including a GREAT Tripel. A clue: if you are in Holland or Belgium
   > pick-up the glass that is for that specific type of beer/ale.
   > 
   > My last trip to A-dam I went to a beer shop and got a a couple of
   > Duvel wide-mouthed glasses and a Chimay type chalis. If you
   > have a favorite you can usually find the glass made by(for) the brewery.
   > This adds to the drinking pleasure.
   > 
   > 
   > -sjm
   > 
#   My favorite is the Blanche des Brugges, which has a tart, lemony
#   flavor.  Second on the list is Straffe Hendrick(?), which I only
#   had once in a excellent pub in Brussels (Mer des Lambik? in St.
#   Gilles actually).  I believe the Staffe was from Brugges as well.

#   As for the glasses, it definitely improves the flavor to have the
#   proper name on the side, I don't know why:)?  My wife has a
#   Duvel glass, that she hasn't used since we returned to the states,
#   and I have a Blanche des Brugges stein.  That covers our favorite

Well youre missing the point. It is the shape of the glass. Next time you
see Chimay in the store for example look at the side of the bottle.
They have a "skinny" mouthed glass with the X symbol on it. The wide
mouth glass allow the beer to "open up".

It isn't the company logo it's the SHAPE.

The reason you decant a beer is to improve the taste. If your spending
$8-$15 a six take the time to pour the beer into a nice
wide glass, and see if it isn't better than drinking out of the 
bottle.

#   Belgian beverages, for our German refreshments, we have two
#   Erdinger Weiss glasses that a friend gave as a gift.  He
#   had a friend that worked in the factory and got sets at a low
#   charge...our friend had 3 or 4 sets of 6 which he distributed
#   to his friends. Thanks Stefan...
#   These glasses are displayed and always generate conversation,
#   on the other hand, our C**rs glasses from Golden are safely 
#   hidden from view in a box in the basement;^)

I know Weiss glasses are a particular shape that is to enhance the
drinking experience. A strange one is the Belgian beer Kwack.
the glass has a round bottom, when you set it on a flat surface
it goes "Kwack!".

-sjm
--
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Dept of Physics Boston University|anything, there's possums in the autumn  
merritt@macro.bu.edu             |and farm cats in the spring." T. Waits
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From: jfrey@mta.ca
Subject: HANGOVERS
Reply-To: jfrey@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:53:28 GMT


	I HAVE FOUND THAT AFTER A NITE OF DRINKING DRAUGHT AT THE LOCAL
TAVERN I END UP WITH A NASTY HEADACHE. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH I
DRINK, I STILL HAVE A HEADACHE. HAS ANYONE NOTICED THIS?  IF I DRINK
BOTTLED OR CANNED BEER I ALMOST NEVER HAVE A HEADACHE IN THE MORNING.
IS THERE ANY SPECIAL INGREDIENTS IN DRAUGHT THAT ARE NOT IN CANNED OR
BOTTLED BEER? 



                                         - JAY AT M.A.U.
From: bards_n@buttercup.cs.odu.edu (Nathan Bardsley)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Arctic Bay???
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:27:22 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va


Artic Bay (it used to be called Glacier Bay) is a Canadian beer, whose
most remarkable feature is the bottlw bottom.  Which is recessed so that
it can be used to twist off the top of another bottle.  At one point in
time it was bottled in 11.5 oz bottles, I don't know if this is still the
case.  As a beer, I would call it a Canadian attempt to immitate
American commercial brewing.
-- 
Nathan Bardsley -- bards_n@cs.odu.edu
From: rose@bucknell.edu (philip rose `94)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Yuengling Porter
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:52:36 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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In article <malcolm.728079592@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

|> When I was at Penn State (left in 1984) I could get
|> a case of returnable 12 oz. Porter for $6!

Here in Lewisburg, Pa.  The returnable bottles are less than $11.
It's a wonderfull bargain.  I don't buy anything else anymore.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Rose
rose@coral.bucknell.edu
From: smirj@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk (Smith R J)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: 6X beer - Wadworths that is...
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:40:41 GMT
Organization: Well I *know* it's *somewhere*...
In-reply-to: andrewd@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au's message of 14 Jan 93 01:47:40 GMT


As an avid Wadworth drinker in the UK......

As far as I know it isn't exported, because us 'pommies' drink it all
coz it's sooooo good...Have you tried Old Timer by Wadworths, because
it's fabbo, hip and trendy strong tasty winter warmer...
Hey, I could go into the exprt trade on this one, now that's an idea...


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From: dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer)
Subject: Re: Z I M A!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:11:47 GMT

Me too,  and illegal since the federal government prohibits the use of internet
for commercial purposes.  I'll forward it to the right people.

>Joel Birkeland
>birkelan@cs1.sps.mot.com
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From: srussell@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Stephen Russell,147 Bard,54648,)
Subject: Re: What is Porter
Originator: srussell@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:20:29 GMT

From article <1993Jan28.130525.4165@linus.mitre.org>, by jartz@bassoon.mitre.org (John Artz):
> 
> I just tried Anchor Porter which seemed just like a Stout.
> Are all porters like stouts or just this particular brand ?
> If they are similar, what is the difference ?
> 						John M. Artz, Ph.D.
> 						jartz@mitre.org

Porter predates stout -- it was the first beer made from mostly pale malt
in the UK when the brewers found they could make more beer from less malt
using mostly pale malt w/ a small amount of highly roasted malt, as opposed
to making it from all moderately-roasted brown malt.

You can think of porter as the original article from which all stouts are
derived.  Take a porter, make it sweeter and darker -->  Sweet Stout.
Add more roasted barley and bittering hops instead  -->  Dry Stout.
Add much more malt and hops, boost the gravity      -->  Imperial Stout.
So all the stout varieties have more in common with the original Porter,
which was probably somewhat strong, very dark but not opaque, and balanced,
than they do with one another!  Despite the similarity of names......

Porter died out as a style through the middle of this century and has been
revived in many forms that may or may not bear resemblance to the original,
which itself was not that well-defined as a style, or at least is still being
argued over these days.  Anchor's porter is a revival, and it's a particularly
heavy and strong (1.070?) version.  It seems 'stouty' therefore.  But it
doesn't bear much resemblance to any of the 3 stout styles listed above.

Other revivals include Yuengling Porter of PA, which is a lager; Sierra Nevada,
which is lighter in body than Anchor and probably a better example of what
homebrewers are trying to make these days; and Catamount, which is also lighter
than Anchor but not as fruity as SN.

Terry Foster's book _Porter_ from Brewers' Publications is supposed to be
pretty good (his _Pale_Ale_ sure was, and easy to read, too :-)  Kihm
Winship has written some good articles for Zymurgy on Porter as well.

Cheers and beers,

STEVE
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh)
Subject: Re: Yuengling Porter & Black&Tan Draft
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:16:37 EST

We now can get both the porter and "black & tan" Yuengling's on draft in
these parts and I must admit that they are both quite good. I've been a fan
of the porter in returnable bottles for some time, and looked on the "black
& tan" with some discern, but on draft it's pretty good, and the draft
porter is even better than the bottles. It's good to have a brewery of
reasonable quality not too far from home that still sells their products
at reasonable prices ($11/24 for the porter ain't bad!).
From: skibo@florida.wpd.sgi.com (Thomas Skibo)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Homebrew and Farts!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:04:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1jl7qgINNk43@coral.bucknell.edu>, rose@bucknell.edu (philip rose `94) writes:
|> Anyone had this problem?
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Phil Rose
|> rose@coral.bucknell.edu

It's not a problem.  It's a feature!  :-)


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From: hck@maximo.enet.dec.com (Herb King)
Subject:  WHY DRY?
Keywords: Beer
Reply-To: hck@maximo.enet.dec.com (Herb King)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:43:45 GMT









I heard that Micholob Dry is lower in calories and has more alcohol than 
regular Micholob. I think that it is the way it is made. Can any verify this?





        Herb



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