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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re:  Turning a breech baby
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:55:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.174343.2067@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day) writes:
>
>Paula wrote:
>
>> I'm 25 weeks and have always felt kicking at the bottom of my
>> uterus, below the belly-button, never at the top.  Is this
>> unusual?  I also have an anterior placenta (attached to the front
>> of the uterus not the back) and was told that it would not be
>> possible to turn the baby with this type of placenta.  The
>> possibility of the baby being breech has always been in the back
>> of my mind.  Any thoughts?
>
>Well, I'll just suggest what another poster already referred to - see
>if in a few weeks you can feel baby parts and figure out what they
>are.  I think that the big kicking spots are a good clue to the baby's
>position, but they can be confusing.  Sometimes the baby just
>stretches, so I feel these big pushes at both ends.  When I'm guessing
>where he is, I always do some gentle massage of my abdomen to try to
>find the head (which he typically moves as soon as I find it).  The
>head is larger than the baby's bottom, though both are round and hard.
>My midwife didn't start looking for the baby's position until I was 27
>weeks.  Even at that point, it's very early to worry about the baby
>staying put - they still have plenty of room to turn somersaults.
>

  Exactly.  I've found that the head usually moves in a twisting,
  rolling motion, as if they're already shaking their heads
  "no no no."  Also, the little poking motions are hands punching
  whereas feet and knees and elbows are prominent.  The big pushes
  at both ends are probably stretching motions.

  Hopefully the baby will turn by the 8th month.  I've been told
  in ultrasound that mine is head down, deep in the pubic area,
  with a posterial fundal placenta.  So it looks like she's all
  ready to go.  Hopefully not too soon!  :-)

  Gravity seems to help, as the head is the heaviest part, or so
  I'm told by the ultrasound tech...


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: child sex predictor (vietnamese)
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:22:09 GMT


Alright, I've already posted saying that the chinese gender test is absurd,
considering sex is determined by the father, not the mother.

But how do either of these tests account for fraternal (boy/girl) twins?
Or any fraternal multiple births, for that manner?

You might as well just dangle the wedding ring over the abdomen.... 

--Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gavin@tiger1.prime.com (Dave Gavin)
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:17:28 GMT

In article <glen.726360791@cs.wisc.edu>, glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
> barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:
> 
> >In case you missed it....that means he can now (at 15 months on tippy toes)
> >open a closed door and close it behind him.  Aren't we talented.
> >Just think of the fun we're going to have now!!!
> 
> In case anyone is unaware of them, you can get doorknob covers which make it
> hard for a one-year-old to open most doors.  They don't impede as well if
> the doorknob is not smooth.  They don't impede adults much.  I think Toys R Us
> has them.
> -- 
> Every child shall be treated with complete respect.
> 
> Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y
> Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St., Room 3355
> University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.
 
my wife used to turn her peds? (ankle socks) inside out and slip em
over the doorknob and fasten them with a loose elastic. this way 
sock spins around unless your hands are strong and big enough to
squeeze the whole thing. this worked with both my boys (terrors)
until they were over two.
From: lisa@elc11.icase.edu (Lisa A. Leutenegger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: A few Questions
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:12:46 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elc11.icase.edu

As Alex nears his 5 month birthday I have a few questions:

1)  Alex is a TALL baby - at 4 months he was 27" - so we got a new
    car seat for him (our century infant seat was rated to 27") and
    it turns out the new seat (a century 1000) says not to use it rear 
    facing for babies longer than 27" - ARG!  

    I think the purchase of this seat probably falls under the "stupid parent"
    category.  First off it took us 15 minutes to figure out that to get a baby
    into a 5-point harness type seat you have to undo the little plastic
    clip that holds the straps together.  We must have looked pretty stupid
    in the store trying to cram him into the seat with the straps connected - 
    we kept saying "hm, these must be for thinner babies" - as our 7 year
    old niece always says "DUH!!!".
     
    Anyway - we checked the box when we bought the seat and it said
    "up to 40 lbs and 40 inches" - why didn't they say that was for
    forward facing!  I suppose we should have read the little booklet
    before buying the seat - "DUH!!!".

    So the question is - does anyone know of any US seats that are rated
    beyond 27" (and 20lbs - he's already 16 pounds) for rear facing?


2)  Is it physically possible to change a crib sheet with the
    matress still in the crib???  We just moved Alex out of his
    cradle and his occassional overnight diaper leaks are considerably 
    more of a hassle to deal with - the only way I can change the sheet 
    is to remove the entire matress.


3)  Are we the only parents around that don't change our baby into
    pajamas before putting him to bed?  We just leave him in whatever
    he wore during the day (if it is clean and dry).  He also wears
    his blanket sleepers during the day.  I suppose someday we will
    need to seperate his clothes into day and night but now they all
    pretty much look alike - one piece things with or without feet.
    Is Alex going to grow up confused by not being exposed to this
    clothing change ritual at the tender young age of 5 months?


4)  Alex is currently exclusively breastfed, the little guy refused bottles 
    so we gave up trying.  We are looking ahead to starting solids in the
    next month or 2 and were wondering if 6 months is too young for a cup?
    What have other parents tried first in the cup - water, breastmilk, other?


			---lisa  (mom to Alex - 8/14/92)
From: krages@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Glucose in Urine in Late Pregnancy
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:17:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Jan12.001732.22479
Organization: BICC - Oregon Health Sci Univ

Hello!
  I am 40 weeks pregnant and due tomorrow!!  When I went to the obstetrician
today, they found both a little glucose and a little protein in my urine for
the first time ever.  Up unil now my urine has been fine.  When I had the test
for diabetes at 27 weeks or whatever that was fine.  And I haven't had other
sign of pre-eclampsia, for example, I can still wear my wedding rings.

So my question is: has anyone else had this situation - where they have had
glucose in their urine right at the end of pregnancy?  And if so, should I be
concerned at all or is it too late at this point to worry about that?  I think
part of why I am concerned is that we just found out last week that our dog has
diabetes and we had to start him on insulin shots and regulated feedings
several days ago.  So diabetes has been on my mind recently.

But I don't know if the fact that I have glucose in my urine this late in
pregnancy should be a concern.  Any ideas or advice?


Kathryn Pyle Krages
Oregon Health Sciences University
Portland, OR 97201
krages@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com (Semper in Excernere)
Subject: Re: Amoxicillin Rash?
Reply-To: frenchs@suburb.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:54:50 GMT


I had one of these rashes when I was a lad. My stomach was almost one red blotch, it stopped dead at the line of the elastic of my underpants!. My doctor said it was the best rash she had ever seen. Mind you, if I remember right it I felt rather unwell.

Simon
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Readjusting to Daycare
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:52:37 GMT


Things deleted about readjustment difficulties after the holidays.

We are having our tremors too although my daughter is 5.  One of 
her problems is that she got used to staying up and getting up 
late and now she still wants to stay up but we are back to the
early mornings.  Bedtime is naturally adjusting itself earlier
but in the mean time we have one tired cranky Kindergardener
who would prefer to have everyone home all the time and isn't
interested in cooperation.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: circ on older baby
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:16:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.235845.7512@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>In article <199301051401.AA08246@tuna.wang.com> AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach") writes:
>>My OB, who did the
>>circ, refused, said it doesn't hurt babies, they only cry from cold or being
>>undressed, etc.  HAH!!!  

The OBSTETRICIAN did the circ?  Is that common?

>Any doctor who whould argue that infants don't feel pain is an idiot (IMHO).

The current medical theory about infants' feeling pain is that they do
feel it, but in a generalized way, not as localized pain as adults know
it.  (This was explained to me by the plastic surgeon who did my
daughter's hands.)  I'm not sure how they determined this, and of course
it doesn't mean they feel it LESS, just differently.

>>Or we might have chosen a mohel - I have seen circs at a
>>bris which do not seem to faze a baby at all.

>As I say, at the Bris I was at the baby screamed bloody murder.  I would
>agree on having a Mohel do it if you are going to circumsize.  

Some babies do scream at being circumcized, others barely blink.  No
one knows exactly why, but the blanket statement that they don't feel
it is absurd (I've never heard a mohel claim this - has anyone else?).
I would also vote for a mohel over a pediatrician.  They do more of
them, and the techniques they use are less prone to accident (they do
not cauterize, for example).  I don't know if most mohels will do a
non-jewish circumcision, though.  Does anyone know if there's a
Halachic (Jewish Law) issue which would prevent it?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: petel@bucket.rain.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:24:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: bucket.petel.726794668
Distribution: na
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x

patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.213338.11822@lincroftnj.ncr.com> reg@lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:
>>when you say age with Chinese Reckoning does that mean the chart has been
>>altered to use the Chinese way of counting age??  i showed this chart
>>to a chinese co-worker and he wanted to know if the ages represented where
>>the western or chinese way of age.  for instance, in western years
>>i'm 33 but according to chinese i'm really 34.

>Gee, my sister and brother-in-law wasted all that time taking her
>temperature every morning, just to be able to determine the gender of
>their child - they already had two girls and they were delighted when
>Matt was born!

>No, the thermometer was not from China!  :-)

Maybe the Hg was :-))

Sorry but I needed to laugh/smile at something today.

-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Family safety (Was Re: How to protect your family from the State)
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:41:14 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:

> Issue #1 family safety:
> Suppose you were driving alone on a poorly lit street, no other cars and
> suddenly an unmarked car pulls up behind you and flashes a red light.
> Do you pull over just cause of a red light?  Do you keep driving at or
> below the speed limit to a crowded and well lit place first?

Not sure what the cop would think, but I'd go for the 2nd option (stopping
in a crowded/well-lit place).

Anyone know what the "legal" take on this is?

Craig
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:49:28 GMT

In article <16B4EB145.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>, M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
> I know you aren't supposed to use their bedrooms for timeout, but we have
> a small house and that room is the furthest from the action. We do not
> force him to sit still...yet.  But we haven't needed to either.  After a
> little while (3-5 minutes max) goes by either we go and ask him if he's sorry
> he disobeyed, or he calls out "Momma!" then we go ask, and if he says yes
> and hugs us(which he loves to do) then we go back to playing, if not we
> say no, you're not ready to play, you still need more timeout. (only had to
> use this one once-before we even finished the sentence he was hugging to
> say he was sorry)

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you really teaching your child what
you want to be teaching him?  Or are you teaching him that saying you're
sorry (whether you really are or not) is the way to get out of something
you really hate (being isolated)?  I would think your son has learned to
lie -- if he says he's sorry, he won't be isolated from you.  If it doesn't
he will.  Look at the one time you tried to leave when he didn't say he was
sorry -- he quickly said the words he knew you wanted to hear JUST so that
he could leave.


Of course, this is based on your description of what happened, and not what
really is happening.

	Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Sleeping in a two year old
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:00:12 GMT

As many of you may remember, I have posted several times
about sleep problems with my son between the ages of 2 and 
three years.  We have used a variety of solutions and at
times it has been hunt and peck situation.  Closing the
door and not opening it until he stayed in bed has
worked, bribes with gummy dinosaurs has worked, for
a while a special nighty nighty book worked.  He goes
through a different sleep cyle about every three months.
And what every worked one month, won't work the next.
Most recently, the answer to his not staying in bed
(both when we put him down and several times during
the night) was to move his bed so he was in front
of the door and could see into the hallway.  He never
told us that's what he wanted, he told a friend of ours.
Unfortunatley for all of us with nightwakers and reluctant
sleepers, we need to try a varity of different approaches.
Good luck to all of you out there in wakeful land.  Often
when I am up with him I wonder how many of you are up too.

Cathryn Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Re: gifts for baby shower
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:04:59 GMT

God's gift to parents of small children is rechargeable hand vacuum
cleaners.  We have a Craftsman Wet/Dry unit which works well enough
but we are on our third one; the front part must be removed to empty
it and has a very fragile hinge mechanism.  Of course, it's a
Craftsman and has a good waranty(sp?) so I'm willing to keep returning
them until they make'em better.

                                  Chris


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:40:10 GMT

In article <1iknn9INN6p4@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>Laura Floom writes:
>>>It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
>>>so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
>>>work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
>>>2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. 
>
>(Hi Laura!)  Every time I hear about this question, I have the same
>thought:  how many babies out there will even sleep on their backs?
>My first two would _not_ settled down unless they were on their
>stomachs, and still won't sleep on their backs.  My third was the
>only one who ever slept on his back (and does now), and even he 
>slept better initially on his stomach. 

  Mine did initially.  I used to prop him on his side, and he'd
  immediately lay back all relaxed with his hands bent up.  Nowadays
  I think he sleeps on his back if it's hot, and on his stomach if
  it's cold.  I also used to put him down on his stomach, as suggested
  and he'd flip himself over and end up on his back or side.
>
>Being asleep on one's back is a vulnerable position; presumably
>evolutionary forces would have worked to weed out that preference.

  Oh well, then I'm vulnerable too.  I love to sleep on my back and did
  at the hospital right after delivery.  The nurses couldn't believe
  that it didn't bother my back.

  It's kind of hard to sleep on your stomach while pregnant or with
  breasts, I've noticed.  But I guess we're talking babies....
>
>Sue  
>


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:30:03 GMT

In article <29388@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>In misc.kids, Gary Stringfellow writes:
>  (method for "choosing" sex of child deleted)
>>
>>You can choose for yourself whether you want a boy or a girl by following the
>>chart. The woman's age from 18 to 45 (Chinese reckoning) is on the top line
>				       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>What the heck is age by Chinese reckoning?
>
Better yet, what does this have to do with ANYTHING??? The sex is determined
by the male gamete, not the female!!!

DUH!!

--Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: kid book recommendation request - divorce
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 15:04:36 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:39:48 GMT

a friend has recently divorced. her husband really is rather a jerk. (has the
kids every other weekend, most times gets a sitter for saturday night so he
can go out on a date, just typical for the rest of his behavior)

the boy is in 3rd grade just beginning to read short chaptered books. he has
always been 'diagnosed' as mildly disruptive. sometimes he experiences great
anxiety at what would seem to be minor catalysts for such emotions, especially
for his age. difficulty concentrating in school, test anxiety at even simple
quizzes, but very sharp and good learner. (the other day after being extremely
upset he told his mom he felt like his whole world was ripped in half)

the girl is 4 years older than him. they have never gotten along much at all.
she is an avid reader. she is adjusting little better. she is very good with
my 3 little children, all under 5.

mom has a demanding work schedule but manages well, i think, to spend good
time with her kids. she may spend a tad more play time with the girl, at least
as perceived by the boy.

both kids i have found to be wonderful in their ways but both feel that dad is
neglecting their attentions (reference first paragraph parenthetic) and have
many of the hard to deal with emotions about the whole thing. i like them both
so well i really hate to see them have to deal with this.

can anyone here recommend good books for each kid?

thanks,
andy
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From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:49:54 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu> sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti) writes:
>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.  
>
>I "spanked" them for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>wrapped around his neck!  

Some problems are best dealt with at this age by avoiding them, and this
is one of them.  We never had Chrismas tree lights OR glass Christmas
tree ornaments until our youngest was old enough to understand that
you "look but don't tough" this stuff -- at age 3 or 4.  As far as I
was concerned, no discipline method could really insure that my kids
would stay away from the lights and ornaments at this age, so this
was a safety issue.

Along the same lines, we got cabinets (including a TV cabinet) for
our family room when Chris (our youngest) was a baby.  We happily
arranged the kids toys, records, etc, and ended up putting the records
under the TV.  Well, predictably, Chris kept going for the records and
pulling them out.  Finally, we decided that keeping Chris away from
the records was an exercise in frustration, so we moved the records
to another cabinet, and put some of Chris's toys in a plastic basin
under the TV. Chris was delighted, and immediately pulled some toys
out of the basin and started to play with them.
We still have toys under the TV.


>
>Another problem has been feeding time.  They've gotten into very
>purposefully throwing their food on the floor.  We say "no!" loud, louder
>and even louder, and they smile cunningly and drop the food slowly onto
>the floor.  We've gotten into spaking their hands for this and
>threatening to take them out of their high chairs.  Sometimes they even
>smile after being slapped!
>

Our policy on this one was, third time the meal was over.  As far
as I can recall, it went something like this.

(first time) No throwing food.

(second time). No ... Warn them that next time meal is over.

(Third time).  Meal over, remove child from Highchair.


>What is most frustrating is that I do not want to slap them.  I want
>there to be a way to discipline my children without hitting, but I'm not
>sure what else to do.  I can see when they're a little older I can use
>"time-outs" and simple cause-and-effect, but what to do with 17 month
>olds?
We used "time outs" at this age, too.  Also, distraction, removing
them from the situation, or avoiding the situation altogether (see
above).

>
>Any suggestions would be appreciated!
>
>Theresa Jarosz Alberti       sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu

Peggy