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From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Indonesianized Computerese
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:28:10 GMT

In article <lglnpnINNi1u@yoakum.cs.utexas.edu> andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono) writes:
>
>Actually, I think it would be better if we would just use the English
>version. I can't see any gain in introducing new terminology in
>Indonesian papers and textbooks. If we make English our 2nd language,
>it would only catalyze the advancement of knowledge, rather than
>creating problems of terminology and ambiguity.
>
I simply disagree with you. Having English as a second language may help
in transferring the western technology faster to our country. But Indonesian
papers and textbooks are written in Bahasa Indonesia, so I think that
it's important to have the Indonesian terms. If we don't have the 
Indonesian version, what would the written materials look like? A mixture
of pieces of two languages? 

What if the writer is educated in non-English speaking country? 
Japan for example. If he sticks to your idea, then things are getting
complicated. He would use the terms in Japanese. Thank God if he uses
latin characters. What if he uses the Japanese characters? The ones who look
more like paintings? Or maybe you want to force him to translate the terms
to English. Well, it would be easy if he's good in English. What if he
knows Japanese well? 

So, I think it would be fair if we translate the alien terms into Indonesian
ones. The person who has non-English background would have to convert
the non-English terms into Indonesian ones, so do the English ones. In
addition, IMHO, it would be easier to add Indonesian version of English
terms (or any other languages) than making English as the second language 
of Indonesians. 

>Its not that I object to having Indonesian terms, what I do object
>to is the USE of these terms in actual practices.
>
So what's good in it? Having the terms and then discard them? 

>So I hope they are not planning to USE this in any way, such that
>it can become popular. They're good for dictionaries, but that's
>the only thing they're good for.
>
Basically, anybody could write in any language of his choice. He's
free to use any terms he knows. If he doesn't want to use any of the available
terms, feel free to ignore them. But the point is that there are many 
Indonesians who speak Bahasa Indonesia, and they would read
any writings written in Bahasa Indonesia easier.

>Andre Nurwono               | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
>andrean@cs.utexas.edu       |  thrust... (BOINNNG!)"  - Daffy Duck


Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: opurbo@sun1.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Onno W. Purbo)
Subject: Berfikir Positif (was Re: Personal views on East Timor)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:08:13 GMT



Heran saya membaca tulisan-tulisan dari bangsa yang pernah
menjajah Indonesia - tepatnya Timor Timur selama lebih 350 tahun.
Apa mereka tidak merasa berdosa setelah menjajah sedemikian lama?
Malah melemparkan kesalahan ke pemerintah Indonesia.

Apa betul Indonesia sedemikian jeleknya?
Berapa lama mereka pernah tinggal di Indonesia
sampai dapat mengambil kesimpulan demikian?
Apa mereka tidak bisa menghargai puluhan ribu / juta
orang Indonesia yang sedang berjuang membangun Indonesia karena
mereka cinta tanah airnya?

Apa bule-bule ini tidak bisa berfikir sedikit positif
misalnya bagaimana membangun suatu bangsa dari bawah,
memberikan pendidikan yg layak bagi bangsa dll.
Tidak perlu banyak bicara pakai konperensi segala macam
cukup _buktikan_ dengan perbuatan.

Selama bule-bule ini cuma bicara, berdebat tanpa
bukti nyata bahwa mereka bisa memperbaiki suatu bangsa dengan
perbuatan yang nyata - saya rasa percuma untuk digubris.

Maaf ini hanya sekedar uneq-uneq melihat bule-bule
yang banyak bicara mengatasnamakan hak asasi manusia,
kebebasan berbicara dll - tanpa kerja yang nyata!

- Onno



Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Post not in English/Indonesian
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:39:27 GMT

In <1992Nov17.163926@IASTATE.EDU> isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!) writes:

...
>  If you asked me, I would say English is more appropriate since we are
>  in the states. But, that's MEO. (My Mere Opinion :)
          ------

Heh heh heh, did you forget the rest of the world ?
This newsgroup is being distributed all over the world.

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
From: tb7330e@hakobera.isct.kyutech.ac.jp
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Recipes
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:14:51 GMT
Distribution: alt.culture.indonesia
Organization: Information Science Center of Kyushu Inst. of Tech.


	A tasty fresh and tangy soup called Sayur Ayam (sayur = dish with a
broth; asam = sour) accompanies the meal either as a soup or eaten simultaneously with every spoonful of rice.
	
	This Sayur Asam is a housewife's pride and there exists hundreds of recipes a la maison. But the main ingredients are string beans, young jackfruit, chunks of sweet corn, custard marrow, cooked in a broth of shallots, chilies, salt, garlic, sometimes a bit of palm sugar, salam leaf, galangal, and last but not least the important souring agent that is mostly tamarind, either its juice or the young pods.
	
	If you are looking for an exotic refreshing soup, try the Sundanese (West Java) Sayur Asam.

	SAYUR AYAM
Ingredients :
2 cobs sweet corn or baby corn, 200g
6 string beans or 150g green beans
100g young jackfruit or white cabbage
50g melinjo (melinjo = (L) genetum genemon) leaves (optional)
100g melinjo nuts (optional)
5 shallots, 50g
3 cloves garlic, 15 g
2 ltr beef stock
3 red chillis, 30g, cut vertically into halves
4 candlenuts, 20g, made into a paste
1 tsp fried trasi
10g galangal, bruised
150g fresh peanuts
1 tbs salt, 12g ( or to taste)

Method :
1. Cut sweet corn or baby corn into 4 cm pieces, als beans. Cut young jackfruit or white cabbage into cubes, pick melinjo leaves and nuts if avaible.
2. Grind shallots and garlic into a paste. Mix into beef stock. Add red chillis, candlenuts, trasi, galangal, peanuts, and salt. Cook until peanuts are nearly tender.
3. Add sweet corn, young jackfruit, and melinjo nuts. Continue to cook until vegetables are nearly tender, then last add the beans and melinjo leaves. The beans should be tender but not mushy.


AGUS SUHARNO
Kyushu Institute of Technology
Electrical Engineering
JAPAN
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:44:25 GMT

jimmyt@cs.tamu.edu (Jimmy Tirtawangsa) writes:

...
>Waktu saya belajar di Informatika ITB, ada satu istilah yang menarik yang
>masih saya pakai sampai sekarang, yaitu compile, compiler, compilation....

>kita menggunakan kata mengkompilasi untuk to compile,
>dan kompilator untuk compiler.

Mas Bambang punya istilah yang saya rasa lebih tepat : 
compile = rakit  
meng"compile" program = merakit program
compilation = (proses) perakitan  

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
From: 2hujrabbi@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Univ. of Maryland & David Letterman
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:02:30 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	Any body goes to University of Maryland ? Especially those who
attend its Engineering School. Could you please e-mail me ?
	I'm wondering how many Indonesians like "Late Night with David
Letterman" I found that not many of them like it. Anybody wants to
comment to this subject is welcomed.

  
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Young Skywalker

2hujrabbi@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: iwirawan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Indra Wirawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Multiculture (Re: Is there a solution for East Timor?)
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:45:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo) writes:

[...dibuang karena ngak bermutu ]

>>by ETers. Indonesian army is an occupation army: the Santa Cruz massacre and the
>>200000 killed in the last 17 years demonstrates that. Hence, Indonesia DOES NOT
>>ACT ACCORDINGLY to the fact that Maubere people is different.
>>
>I have always disturbed with the way some people use the number 200000.
>Could anyone tell me how did the news sourse get the number?

>Bambang Prastowo

 Ude nih orang (jawara kesiangan)  ngak usah diladeni, dia asbun (asal bunyi)
 ntar cape sendiri kalo ngebalesin dia punya 'unscropulous' tulisan.
Cuekin aje, mendingan kita orang ngomongin yang lain, yang berguna gitu.

 Udahan dulu

 ciao

 Indra
 The University of Western Australia
From: andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesianized Computerese
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:26:31 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoakum.cs.utexas.edu

In article <9211182259.AA23265@share> share!kst@aloft.att.com writes:
>The following is a partial list of the terminology translation
>collected during the discussions in forming the Scientific
>Indonesian technical publication.  It is shown here for
>comparison and discusion,  and does not in any way imply my
>personal endorsement or objection.
>

Actually, I think it would be better if we would just use the English
version. I can't see any gain in introducing new terminology in
Indonesian papers and textbooks. If we make English our 2nd language,
it would only catalyze the advancement of knowledge, rather than
creating problems of terminology and ambiguity.

Its not that I object to having Indonesian terms, what I do object
to is the USE of these terms in actual practices.

So I hope they are not planning to USE this in any way, such that
it can become popular. They're good for dictionaries, but that's
the only thing they're good for.

Just my Rp. 10,- worth.
-- 
Andre Nurwono               | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
andrean@cs.utexas.edu       |  thrust... (BOINNNG!)"  - Daffy Duck
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:34:04 GMT

rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

>okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:

...
>>Bagaimana dengan assembler? 

>Bagaimana kalau perakit bahasa Assembly ?

Setelah saya pikir-pikir, asembler juga bisa dipakai. Saya mengambil
analogi dengan "computer" -> "komputer".

--budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Re: Sport fans: Where are you?
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:09:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.104628@IASTATE.EDU>, ftandiar@IASTATE.EDU (Fredy Tandiary)
writes:
> By the way anybody interested in talking about NBA.

 Yay!!!!!  NBA is way to go!!!  No more ET crap. :)  j/k

> I really-really don't like Chicago Bulls, I hope they
> won't make it to the finals this season.

 Ha! You wish! Eat your wheaties, kid. Look who's coming!
 DaBulls shall crush your filthy team, whichever it is. ;>

> I am a fan of Portland Blazers. Too bad last year they got
> beaten up by the 'obnocious Bulls'. 

 Yea, too bad. Anyway, it was soooooo obvious they would lose. :)

> I have a suggestion, instead of wasting our time reading and 
> responding to ET matter, why don't we argue about our own 
> ideal sports team. This is more fun than arguing about
> politics, which will never reach any mutual solutions.

 Yep! agreed wholeheartedly..  Welcome to a.c.i II -- The Next generation
 :-)

> I have made a strong 'bad' statement about Chicago Bulls,

 And I have made a *stronger* statement. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!

> I am hoping that I will insulted the Bulls fans in this newgroup
> so we can heat up the argument.

 I am a big fan of Bulls and I didn't think it was an insult. I rather took
 it as a good start. Good post, Fredy!

 Btw, is my post an insult for you? :)

> 
> I am waiting for respond.

 Looking forward to it.

> 
> ftandiar@iastate.edu

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:17:19 GMT

prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo) writes:

...
>>cracker =
>Password cracker?  
>bagaimana kalau pemecah; ingat "memecahkan rahasia"?

Bagaimana kalau "password cracker" = pemecah kata sandi ?


>>environment variable =
>Satu-satu! Yang variable sendiri belum jelas terjemahannya.
>Kita harus pikirkan betul terjemahan
>variable dalam arti anu          x = f(y)
>dan
>variable dalam arti kantung data x:=5
>Kalau tidak, susah nanti mengajarkannya ke orang lain. Namun 
>demikian variabel saya kira sudah bisa diterima masyarakat.

>Untuk environment, wah kita tidak bisa memakai kata lingkungan.
>Eh.....boleh jadi bisa juga. Coba Bud, kirim paragraphnya, nanti
>kita kutak-katik bersama.

Contoh paragraph:

... Set the environment variable PHIGHSHOME to point to 
/usr/local/phigs.


>>full screen = selayar penuh

full screen editor = editor selayar penuh ?

>>hacker = pakar? setan?
>setan komputer saya kira pas betul dengan computer hacker

Boleh juga. he he he ... setan komputer, enak kedengarannya.

>>home directory =
>Ini istilah khusus untuk sistem dos atau unix.
>Kita coba directory dulu.
>Dari artinya: directory = daftar isi. 

saya rasa "daftar isi" = directory listing
bagaimana kalau "directory" = direktori ?

>Home directory = daftar isi utama.

"daftar isi utama" = main directory listing ?

Ada kesan pemilikan dalam kata "home".

>Coba baca keterangan berikut; periksa apakah mudah dimengerti
>oleh pemula.

>     berkas-berkas di sistem dos dapat ditelusuri dengan membaca
>     daftar isi. Daftar isi sendiri, selain memuat lokasi berkas-berkas
>     tertentu bisa pula berisi berkas yang memuat daftar isi
>     berkas-berkas lain. Sebagai contoh, suatu berkas bisa 
>     ditengeri (maaf,... dalam bahasa Jawa, tenger = identification,
>     ditengeri = be identified) dengan /fulan/anu/citra yang
>     berarti lokasi berkas citra bisa dicari di daftar isi anu.
>     Daftar isi anu ini bisa dicari di daftar isi fulan yang 
>     tersimpan di daftar isi utama.

Kesan saya, daftar isi itu mirip seperti "directory listing".
Bagaimana kalau "ditengeri..." di atas diganti dengan 
"dikenal dengan nama /fulan/anu/citra..."

salam,
Budi 
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.221917.22385@tamsun.tamu.edu> jimmyt@cs.tamu.edu (Jimmy Tirtawangsa) writes:
>In article <Bxw5Fn.G6B@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
	[...]
>>home directory =
	[...]
>  jadi saya usulkan: direktori awal (atau direktori asal) = home directory
>                     direktori utama = root directory

Penggunaan "direktori" nampaknya bisa disinonimkan dengan "daftar isi".
Saya pikir keduanya tak mengalami kesulitan untuk digunakan. 
Rasanya sih "home directory" lebih baik dijadikan "direktori asal" daripada
"direktori awal". 

>Kemudian juga bagaimana dengan:
>default =

>object-oriented =
Bagaimana kalau "berorientasi obyek"? Kata "orientasi" sudah cukup dikenal.
(Terutama oleh para mahasiswa Indonesia yang biasa 'mengembat' para mahasiswa
baru dalam POSMA atau sebangsanya.) Jadi bisa digunakan dalam:
object-oriented technology = teknologi berorientasi obyek
object-oriented language = bahasa berorientasi obyek

>computation, computational, computing, etc =
>(seperti dalam numerical computation, computational geometry, computing center)
Bagaimana kalau:
numerical computation = komputasi numerik
computing center = pusat komputasi


Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:14:13 GMT

Saya rasa kita bisa memakai istilah-istilah Inggris yang di-Indonesiakan.
Asal orang Indonesia bisa, dengan gampang, mengatakan dan menulis kata-kata
tersebut, saya usulkan mereka pakai istilahnya langsung.

Sebenarnya saya pikir yang paling penting adalah supaya semua orang (di bidang
computer) di Indonesia bisa mengerti apa yang dimaksudkan. Jadi, pakai saja
istilah yang sudah popular di kalangan murid-murid dan professional 
programmer di Indonesia. (Saya rasa mereka pakai istilah Inggris, tapi saya
tidak tahu. Saya belajar komputer disini. Saya harap ada salah satu dari 
saudara-saudara sekalian yang akan menulis tentang hal ini.)

Donald Wihardja
-- 
CS Department, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York.
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Netrek (Was: Let's talk about games !!!!!!)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:04:03 -0600
Organization: Clueless Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu

In article <lgh92eINN12v@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> (Andre A. Nurwono) writes:
>Hehehe. Why not ? HEY ! We could FORM an ALL-INDONESIAN Netrek team!!!
Is this a plot to lower the GPA of Indonesian students that
have internet access?  ^_^

>BTW does anybody know what the INL schedule is for this week ?
>(INL = Intercollegiate Netrek League) ...
You're way too late.  INL is 'basically' over.  Just watch
the NIT playoffs ^_^

>Andre Nurwono

For those interested in the game, please just read the FAQ
posted by isae or read the newsgroup rec.games.netrek.
Be warned though, that it's full of flames and other junks
and is a very high volume group.

^_^ regius ^_^
ps. isae, have TOFW played 12AM yet?
    HB is getting nervous not playing ^_^
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:56:15 GMT

In article <BxwzHy.5Jz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

	[...]
>
>Bagaimana kalau perakit bahasa Assembly ?
>
Sepertinya OK juga. Cuma masalahnya, sebenarnya perbedaan pokok antara
compiler dengan assembler adalah kode yang dihasilkan. Compiler menghasil-
kan kode assembly yang nantinya disuapkan ke assembler untuk dirubah
menjadi kode mesin (machine code). Jadi bagaimana? Merubah bahasa tingkat
tinggi (HLL: non-assembly) ke bahasa assembly disebut merakit, kemudian
merubah dari assembly ke kode mesin disebut merakit juga. 

Kalau setuju untuk menggunakan "merakit" untuk menyebut proses merubah
suatu program dari bahasa yang lebih tinggi ke yang lebih rendah, ya nggak
masalah. 

Tapi timbul pertanyaan juga. Bagaimana dengan "interpreter?". Fungsi inter-
preter adalah 'merubah' HLL menjadi 'bahasa tingkat rendah'. (Kenyataannya
'bahasa tingkat rendah' itu adalah kode mesin yang di simpan di runtime-
library, yang dimuat (di-load) saat awal interpreter tersebut dijalankan.)

Rasanya sih interpreter tidak bisa disebut "perakit", sebab walaupun fungsi-
nya adalah 'merubah' suatu HLL, proses merubahnya tidak dilakukan sekaligus
seperti compiler maupun assembler, melainkan per baris dan kemudian langsung
dijalankan (di-execute).

>>Assembly language?
>
>Kalau ini mestinya menjadi bahasa Assembly, karena Assembly merupakan 
>nama bahasa. Sama halnya dengan bahasa BASIC, FORTRAN, LISP, 
>dll (dan lain lain).
>
Iya, bahasa yang paling aneh. Tiap jenis mikroprosesor punya bahasanya
sendiri-sendiri. Kalau salah satu aspek dari bahasa yang lainnya adalah
portabilitas (bisa dijalankan di mesin jenis lain tanpa perubahan), Assembly
justru tak memikirkan hal itu. 


Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: 2hujrabbi@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Sport fans: Where are you?
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:20:23 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	Hi everybody !!
I'm just wondering if any of you like sports or not. I'm a sport-fanatic of my
school. By the way, I'm attending The University of Kansas, the home of the
mighty Jayhawks.
	The reason I'm writing this letter is to insult people who attend
schools that I "sportically" hate. Hey, we need other things to talk about not
just politics.
	For those of you who are so stupid that do not know anything about
Kansas Jayhawks, let me the first to tell you that we are ranked #2 in the
pre-season basketball AP poll. Any of you from Michigan ? Damn it, how come
your school is ranked #1 ? I don't care if it was the runner up of the Final
four last year. Let me tell you this: Michigan Sucks. Just wait and see who's
gonna be the top ranked team in the country when the season starts. Any of you
go to Duke ? Poor you, Laettner's gone. 
	To those who go to Iowa State. Your football team did quite a nice job
on saturday by beating Cornhuskers. But still, our football team beat your team
with a coming from behind victory. I bet you got really pissed off huh ?
	Well, I guess I could keep on insulting other schools, but I have to
make sure that there are others who like to reply to this posting.


bye,

Indonesian born Jayhawk
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: soewito@infonode.ingr.com (Freddie Soewito)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia/Bahasa Malaysia
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:31:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.020328.3070@ems.psu.edu> nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:
>Saya rasa Bahasa Indonesia dan Bahasa Malaysia patut digabungkan.
> ...
>So, what do you people think?

I thought that the two governments have already discussed the possibilities
of merging the two languages.  I also thought that there are some ongoing
"changes" made to Malays so it could be comparably as "modern" as
Indonesian language.

If this is the case, your idea is somewhat "basi", yes?

My best regards.
--
<^_^>				Freddy Soewito; soewito@infonode.ingr.COM
*---Disclaimer:
None of the opinions represents the view of Intergraph Corporation in anyway.
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