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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:23:43 GMT

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton 'hey, what's this DELETE key for?' Cramer) writes:

>I would be happiest of all if homosexuals stopped trying to involve
>the government in telling consenting adults what they may do in
>private.

And I would be happiest of all if the moral majority stopped trying
to involve the government in telling consenting adults what they may
do in private.

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Political Parties in the U.S. (was Re: Is this a socialist
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:07:41 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <lappdgINN1rb@spim.mips.com> mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
]OK John, I'm confused.  Are you saying that IRS seizure of property against
]a tax lean is 1) a plot of the democratic party or 2) taxation is illegal and
]any means to collect it are, therefore, illegal.  We need to know if it is
]you veracity or your politics that are in hyperspace.

Have you stopped beating your wife? You must be a democratic pollster
when you phrase questions that way :-)

Seriously, what I mean is that the IRS can seize property without
having a tax lien against it, on the SUSPICION that you might be
guilty of a tax violation. Also, don't forget that with the IRS,
you are always guilty until proven innocent.

I am simply saying that this civil seizure travesty wasn't invented
for the war on drugs, and wasn't invented by the evil republicans.
It was used earlier by the IRS (and also the BATF) before we ever
had use of it in the war on drugs. It's getting worse, though...
Phoenix is now threatening to seize the autos of those accused of
soliciting prostitutions.

Sigh....

Property rights ARE civil rights.
Today, our property rights our under serious attack and the
"defenders of our civil rights" are ignoring this.

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Brian Kane claims pedophilia != child molestation (Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...))
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:41:06 GMT

In article <12209@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
|> Oh that's right, pedophilia (adults having sex with children) 
|> isn't child molestation.  I keep forgetting that.  Tell me,
|> why do you insist that adults having sex with children isn't
|> child molestation, then get upset with me for asking the gay
|> community to shun NAMBLA?

Pedophilia is not child molestation.  Pedophilia is sexual attraction toward
children, not sex with children.  Thinking about sex is not sex, Clayton; you,
of all people, should know that thinking about it and getting it are two
different things...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush vs the Repulican Congress
Date: 9 Sep 1992 17:36:57 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
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In article <1992Sep8.162651.9468@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
|> In an article in the Houston Post this Sunday, it claims that in a recent
|> investigation into voting by the Republicans in congress, the Republicans are
|> also not voting with the President. One of those is our own beloved, boring,
|> Phil Gramm.
|> 
|> So Bush doesnt really have a problem with the "Democrats" in Congress, he has a
|> problem with Congress! 
|> 
One of the few compliments I can think of for Bush.  He revers to it as the
Gridlock Congress, not the Gridlocked Congress.  Actally it is the congress/
president relationship that is in gridlock.  Congress passes bills, Bush
vetos them.

The Gridlock Congress meets the Gridlock President.

_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.
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From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Hold on to your wallet!
Date: 12 Sep 1992 12:41:32 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) writes:

>What do you and people making over $200,000 a year have in common?
>You'll all be paying more in taxes during a Clinton administration!

Better them than people like me who make less than $40,000. 

Stratocaster
-- 
	   Steve Davis (I'm a student, not a spokesperson!)
      strat@cis.ksu.edu - Kansas State University - Manhattan KS
				   
Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us form ourselves. - Rush
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:02:45 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <65520@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>> What's really extraordinary is that the same day Bush announced the 
>> increased wheat subsidies he made a speech praising free trade!   The
>> man has to be one of the biggest hypocrites there is, in a profession
>> (politics) that has produced some real champions!  
>
>If it weren't an election year, I wouldn't find this hypocritical.  Isn't
>it just good policy for a country to make sure that it can produce its own
>critical products, like food?  If another country is more efficient in
>these areas, either tax the imports or subsidize our producers, so that
>if the imports are ever cut off, we still have domestic production.

That's the excuse the Japanese use for their subsidized food policies.

I believe, like the President, that free trade is best. By making 
nations critically dependent on each other, the risk of war is
reduced. Are you going to start a war with the country that feeds
you, or supplies you with spare parts for your F16s?  However, the
President is also right to fight subsidy with subsidy in a world
where free trade is the exception rather than the rule. Ultimate
goals, and present tactics, sometimes seem at odds, but there's a
logic behind them.

Gary
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Cultural Elite?
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
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Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:46:11 GMT

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
: 
: By the way, many gays claim that their "characteristic" is not
: involuntary. I think that they are in general wrong about that.
: 
Why the hell should you not believe gay people when they tell you the
truth about their lives? Could it be because you are prejudiced (i.e.
have preconceived notions that have little to do with the truth)? How
arrogant and ignorant you are!


Kathy

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
From: ala@fico.uucp
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Reply-To: ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:29:50 GMT

In article <12162@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.180512.18080@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>> Cl*yt*n is viewed as an asshole, not because of his views, but because
>> of how he behaves on the net.  If he manages to get harassing phone calls,
>> he's simply reaping the consequences of his general behavior, and I am neither
>> surprised at this nor will I lose any sleep over it.  Let others like Ronzone
>
>Sort of like when homosexuals get beat up for not acting right.
>I'll remember this.

Not as often as Nerds do.  Am I mistaken or do you tape you glasses back 
together after you break them, and don't you have a supply of pocket protectors
in you desk in case of an emergency?  (No offense meant to anyone else who
happens to fit into this category).  Let me guess, you're a white suppremist
wanna be with an arsenal (?SP?) of weapons that are supposed to make you feel
like a man.  Am I right?  In my experience, it is the people who are unsure
of their sexuality that are loudest in their condemnation.

Adryenn
I do not speak for Fair, Issac.
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clinton and Responsibility (Contradiction in Terms)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:06:37 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Sep10.045351.10823@usl.edu>
pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:

>Bill Clinton had his chance, during the Vietnam War,
>to show us what kind of stuff he was made of.

And what's that stuff...a killing machine?

Brian
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:17:34 GMT

In article <12161@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <95356@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>> In article <12129@optilink.UUCP>
>> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># #Or maybe I will take the collection of garbage I've been collecting
># #from soc.motss and turn it over to Lou Sheldon at the Traditional
># #Values Coalition and the Yes on 9 campaign in Oregon.  You know what
># #powerful ammunition this stuff is for their side.
># 
># Listen, whoever is harrassing you is clearly an asshole, but if you
># do what you threaten, you are exposing yourself as a hypocrite. Lou
># Sheldon is a cultural fascist, someone you should love to hate.
>
>As distinguished from the homosexual lobby's efforts to force
>me to associate against my will.  They are also fascists.

And I take it the religious lobby is also fascists because religious
discrimination is outlawed in your state?

>I would prefer to not have to choose between forms of fascism,
>but unless the homosexual community overcomes this desire to
>run other people's lives, I, and many others, may have to choose
>the lesser of two evils -- and the results will be unpleasant.

Ok. So if you want war maybe its time to declare war on religion.
After all why should I be forced to hire a raving fundy? Why should
religion be granted tax exempt status? Lets get rid of all these
special priviledges for "chosen religious lifestyle". And I don't
want religious people congregating on the street, after all those
are tax payer funded. And schools really should teach the truth
about the destructive meme called religion...

Cramer this is what you are pushing on us, do you want it back?
Keep pushing and you and your lunie fundy friends will get it back
in kind...


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:57:39 GMT

drm@esl.com writes:
>  Joe Sixpack in Duluth:  "I'd like to vote for Clinton, but he has a  
>history of being a slippery guy who's out for himself.  If he manipulated  
>the system to avoid all military duty, why should I believe he has the  
>moral courage to make hard decisions as president? Bad decisions at 18 are  
>one thing, but it looks to me like he's lying through his teeth about the  
>specifics of the draft issue and his motivations for avoiding it even  
>now." 
>--
>Don McGregor

Sure, that's the Bush campaign's Current Fantasy. Is it really playing out
that way though? The only one calling Clinton out on the carpet is hired
gun Charles Black. Oh, also Bush partisans who will delight in any kind of
sniping, the sillier the better. 

Clinton does have his faults; it's his good luck to be matched against Bush,
who is stuck with a strategy of divisive politics.

The Vietnam draft-dodger and Acid/Amnesty/Abortion constituencies are not to be 
trifled with for political gain!
---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:14:21 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@redwood26


In article <9026@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
> In <1992Sep6.223640.21393@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
> 
> >If he had stated anti-war sentiments in a ROTC program, he would have
> >probably been kicked out, and would certainly have been hassled.
> 
> Clinton never joined the ROTC.  He told the draft board that he was going
> to join in order to delay getting drafted.  But when it came to time to
> actually participate, Clinton decided that he would rather go back to
> England to continue his education.

So his name was put in the lottery and he drew a high (not likely to get
drafted) number.
>                                     A country that was conveniently beyond
> the reach of the draft board.

Since his number was too high to get called, that's irrelevant.


-- 
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------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Canadian vs US health care
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:31:33 GMT

co> Gerald Olchowy
gs> Gary Strand
hp> Hossein Parandeh

hp> I needed a major knee reconstruction surgery [...] I got it right after
    my injury and for free. 

gs> Nope. Canadian taxpayers paid for it. It was *not* "free". "Free" to you
    perhaps, but not to the millions of others who paid for it. 

co> The American taxpayers pay for the huge subsidies for health care for
    the well-off...the non-taxation of health care benefits in the US is
    an absolutely massive subsidy.

  Pity. Something that isn't taxed, heaven forfend! I guess US taxpayers also
  subsidize sex, 'cuz there's no "sex tax", at least not yet, at least as long
  as tax-lovers like M. Olchowy are stymied in figuring out how to tax it.

gs> I always thought externalization of costs and internalization of benefits
    was something to be avoided. We read all the time about how polluters
    should pay for the costs of their pollution, rather than externalize those
    costs to the rest of us. Does the principle still apply when it comes to
    health care, or not?

co> I suppose that you would heartily support the notion that all employment
    benefits should be treated and taxed as income 

  Nope. No taxes on nothin'.

co> so that employees of companies that can't afford health care don't have 
    to subsidize the employees of companies that can. In the US, the poor
    subsidize the health care of the rich.

  Actually, we all subsidize everyone's health care, via taxes or high prices
  on the goods and services we buy. At least with the market, you can choose
  which product to buy. The same cannot be said of taxes.

  Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Is externalizing costs always a bad
  principle, or is it acceptable in "certain" instances, like health care?

--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:03:39 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

Does this mean they don't want Dan Quail for president?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: buckmr@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: On-Line Copy of REPUBLICAN PLATFORM desired!
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:35:16 GMT

PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:


>     I, too, would be interested in seeing the Republican Platform.
Great. Maybe you will type in the 95 page document so that we can all see it?

>     I would also, though, be interested even more in someone documenting
>the above vicious caricature with actual quotes from the document.
It has been excerpted widely in the NYT and other newspapers. For example:

We oppose efforts to include sexual preference as a protected minority
receiving preferential status under civil rights statutes at the Federal, state
and local level." --1992 Republican National Commitee campaign platform.

"We believe the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which
cannot be infringed." --1992 Republican National Committee campaign platform

>     However, it would surprise me if the above person had even read
>the platform.
Well, I hope the two above quotes are enough to swing SOME voters in the 
Clinton-Gore direction...

-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: brownfield!jbrow (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: CNN Anchor Admits Pro-Clinton Bias
Reply-To: <jbrow@glv.com>
Organization: Encompass
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:22:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.230748.8244@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu  
(Gary Strand) writes:
> dp> Don Pajerek
[stuff deleted]
> 
> dp> Also, support for some sort of National Health Insurance is also a  
sizable
> dp> majority.
> 
>   Again, so long as it costs little and benefits much.

Also note that much of the rhetoric applied to financing National Health  
Insurance is of the "tax the rich" flavor.  It's "Hey!  We can get these great  
benefits, and *they* will have to pay for it!"  Doesn't sound all that much  
different than a common thief/congressman/president, does it?

[stuff deleted]

> dp> The principal mass media consistently reflect this same 'bias', if the 
> dp> long-held beliefs of the vast majority can be called a 'bias'. 
> 
>   No. The mass-media differs on a large number of issues with the majority.

And so do the opinions of most candidates.  This is why we think we have a good  
voter turnout when 50% of the people show up.

Many people in this country are fairly libertarian in their beliefs.  This is  
why Ronald Reagan was swept into office talking "mostly" libertarian rhetoric  
(although he obviously didn't believe in most of it).

[stuff deleted]

> dp> As Peter Nelson and others have pointed out at length, the mass media
> dp> wouldn't be 'mass' if it didn't have the approval of the majority.
> 
>   *Does* it have the approval of the "majority"? What fraction of the body
>   politic watches/reads the mass media?
> 
> dp> Other viewpoints are available roughly in proportion to their occurrence
> dp> in the population (e.g., National Review).
> 
>   Really? TIME magazine has a circulation of ~4.34 million. Reader's Digest
>   is about 16 million. At most, a few million people watch the evening news
>   on the big 3 networks. However, 90 million people voted for president in
>   1988. The "mass" media is seen by only a fraction of the population as a
>   whole.

Also, even the news media acknowledges that their credibility ratings are only  
slightly better than that of politicians.  Just because people watch the news,  
doesn't mean thay believe all of the reporting (I know a number of people who  
occasionally buy the _National Enquirer_, but they rarely believe what they  
read).  Many of us watch the news and *try* to filter out the crap.


[stuff deleted]

> 
> --
> Gary Strand

Jim Brownfield
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