HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Going into the closet
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:17:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.135117.19473@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.065639.2393@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>>
>>DoD#1313
>>Man, I gotta start using drugs or something.
>>
>>Jack Waters
>>
>Yeah, maybe you should.  Since:
>1313:Tom Johnson::tjohnson@std.MENTORG.COM
>
>
>It seems like 1313 is already taken.  Maybe you should go back and
>read the FAQ again, figure out who the KotL is, and wait for him/her/it
>to give you your number...
>
>
>-- 
>| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
>| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
>| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
>| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |


Hey yo, learn to READ.  I have sent two letters to the KotL.  I dont
know if he is reading his E-mail or not.  Oh never mind, I see
you are from Bedford.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:42:56 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 27368@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>Dana writes:
>>
>>To which I say: Yes, it is, but it's hidden from the user. That is to
>>say, if you use your left knee to push against the tank, in order to
>>balance yourself, you will unconciously lessen your push on the left
>>handlebar, which is equivalent to pushing the right handlebar, which 
>>results in countersteering to instigate a turn to the right.
>
>To which I say: Bunk.  You can lean by shifting your weight, and
>a lean will instigate a turn.  

To which I say: Nee!

You certainly *can* lean a bike by shifting your weight, but that
doesn't mean Dana is wrong.  The "weight shift" Pridmore, et. al.,
advocate *is* disguised countersteering.  Leaning by pure weight shift
is a much slower process.  I don't think you could get around, say,
Sears Point with no hands on the bars.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:04:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug19.190451.17134
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


>From: YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum)
>Subject: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!

>I cannot understand why any man with balls would ride a Harley
>Davidson motorcycle or any other motorcycle when the PORCHE
>is clearly the thing to have.  Dump those silly toys, little
>boys and get into the real thing.  PORCHES!!!!  Harleys,
>motorcycles, hah!  Whatdayagonna put your golf clubs in?
>End of article 32957 (of 33110)--what next? [npq]

That's easy, we carry them in our hands, then when morons in PORCHES
get in our way, WE BASH'EM./gb
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:52:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 294@halfdome.sf.ca.us, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:

> (you math. & physicists will know the "technical" term
>for change in rate of accelleration) 

The SI unit is the Holst.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Cleaning O ring chains
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.200347.5692@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.122228.1604@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.150925@is.morgan.com> spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:
>>>They don't make beer - they make ale!
>>>
>>Ale is beer.  Lager is beer.  Any fermented beverage made from a sugar 
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>solution extracted from malted barley is beer.  Ale just happens to be
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>I s'pose you call scotch a type of beer too, then.  You're wierd.
>
Picky. picky.  Alright.  Any fermented, no distilled beverage.  There,
happy now?

Sheesh!!

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
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From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Stuff that fits (was: Hard-soled shoes/boots)
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.165111.4797@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.161845.14856@ohrd.uucp>, ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
>> Any recommendations for gloves for female riders? Men's gloves are either
>> too wide or too short.
>
>Women's gloves?
>
I'm not talking Isotoners, here, mate, I'm talking motorcycle riding gloves
that fit snug, have tough leather, good stitching, a good retention strap
and match my baby pink, frilly, biker-mama, leather jacket.

Thanks to all who E-mailed and posted suggestions.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Can anyone suggest a BRIGHT headlight for a KZ440
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:58:41 GMT

In article <16aa09INNl8o@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>Due to an "unscheduled getoff" I am now in need of a new headlight. I don't
>wan't to get the stock one because they don't light up shit. Can anyone
>suggest a brand name or source that would have a very bright headlight
>for my 1982 Kawi KZ440. I have most of the mailorder catalogues if you
>wish to refer me to a brand listed in them...... Thanks
>
Does it take halogen bulbs??  I just put a 90W/130W in my CB750 and love
it.  It was part # HB-5 on page 261 of the Chaparral Spring/Summer '92
catalog, and was $12.99

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Euro DoD meet
Keywords: dod meet in europe
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Amdahl UK

In article <AHLE.92Aug11152117@anke.abo.fi> ahle@anke.abo.fi (Peter Ahlskog DC) writes:
>In article <713383219snx@stets.novalis.public.sub.org> stets@stets.novalis.public.sub.org (Thomas Stets) writes:
>   datasbld@bnr.ca writes in article <1992Aug07.102057.10258@bnr.uk>:
>   > I was wondering how many European and nearby DoDers there are now...  It
>   > ---stuff deleted---
>   > We could meet somewhere central like Berlin or Paris or wherever.
>
>   How about Luxembourg? But Paris is fine, too.
>
>Another possibility would be to choose one main "normal get-together-rally"
>somewhere in europe and have DoD-rally at the same time.
>
Reason, at last.

>Aren't we interested in racing?!?! Yeah, sure we are!
>
You bet.  How about one of the big Euro Race meets like Assen (good
for Northern Europeans and Scandinavians).  At least we'll have some
racing to watch while reaching (retching?) the DoD minumim daily beer
intake.
Mind you, it usually rains and the roads are boring.  Bol d'Or anybody?
CAW
--
  >>>  Charlie Whitfield               czw70@juts.ccc.amdahl.com  <<<
  >>>  Tommies on Tour    -    Sports Touring Without Compromise  <<<
  >>>                                        DoD#0526   ToT#0002  <<<
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Turning (NOT about Countersteering!)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:00:35 GMT

In article <marcl.714166715@os-d> marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis) writes:
>egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>In article 4765@balrog.ctron.com, tavares@danville (Jack Tavares) writes:

            [anomalous difficulty with left turns deleted]

i thought the reason people had an easier time with lefts was that they had
a better view of the road ahead, whereas the right turns are blinder.  at
least, that was my experience on the blue ridge parkway :-)

>BTW -- The Washington State motorcycle exam runs the tight-U-turn-in-a-box
>exercise in a clockwise direction.

pennsylvania runs them (three figure-eights :-(  ) counterclockwise; i did
them clockwise and had to repeat it.

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|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
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|  "The doorbell rang."                                                    |
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Braking Distances (was Re: Scooters and a non-flame for RKOU)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:13:58 GMT

In article <16r5ihINN1qj@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
|In article 92Aug18101314@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
|>
|>I have been reading conflicting reports lately - some say that bikes stop 
|>in less space than cars, some say that they stop in more space.  
|
|I believe if you consider the physics, they are approximately equal in
|terms of absolute minimum stopping distance.

Yes.  Cars can stop faster, even, under many conditions.  Esp w/antilock
that is so common these days.

|There are way too many motorcyclists who are not capable of controlled
|maximum straight line braking, but I think on average, bikers are
|better at controlling bikes than cagers are at controlling cages.

True.  All that one can say that means anything is whether you yourself 
can brake effectively.  *I* can outbrake 90% of cagers in their cages, due
to my regular braking practice.  If you tell me that you can brake well, I
will ask how you know.  Regular practice (in a parking lot or similar, with
sand and/or rain) is the ONLY way of knowing.

|I worry more about being rear-ended, I have little to no control over
|that.  I can almost always find extra stopping room *beside* the cage
|in front of me (ie, always have an escape route, and practice
|controlled swerves).  If the cage in front of you took *you* by
|surprize, it's a pretty safe bet that the cage behind you is going to
|squash you.

I have a method of minimizing (I believe) the risk of this.  In very
tight traffic, ride in your lane, but way over to one edge or another,
so that you are not directly in line with the cage in front.  Don't stay
there all the time, move around as is appropriate for visiblity, etc,
but try to get into that spot whenever reasonable.  The cager behind
*may* still hit you, but you are giving him/her the maximum opportunity
to miss you.

As always, try to look far enough ahead that you can anticipate any
emergency braking that might happen.  Also be aware that the preferred
escape route of a cage in an emergency is the shoulder, so you don't
want to be there.

And if riding the edge of the lane would put you in the way of lane-
splitting bikers, join `em!

|>Do motorcycles stop faster than cars?
|
|They do when I'm riding them.  :^)

How do you know?  :^)  

(Yes, Ed, I know that you are temporarily bike-less.  No offense meant.)
(BTW, why don't you get a ratbike, just to keep a hand in?)

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)             |  this weird shit
No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions?     |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: oil recycling
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:14:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <Bsz6vy.D5L@cs.dal.ca> craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.130923.58128@cc.usu.edu> slndw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>
>>Question:
>>
>>Can synthetic motor oil be recycled???
>>
>>If so, can it be recycled with petrolium oil, or does it have 
>>to be separated??
>>
>>-toot
>>DoD#3323
>>
>
>That would depend on what type of synthetic oil it is.  If it is
>hydrocarbon based, it is recyclable with regular oil.  If it is ester
>based, it won't even mix with regular oil.  I got this bit of information
>from this month's Motorcyclist magazine, 20 questions about oil.  YMMV.

 Hmmmm..

 I thought that the SAE standard was defined such that all oils
 which met a standard (SG rating, for instance) were compatible with
 all other oils of the same standard.

 Can someone confirm or deny this?

 If this is the case, one should be able to mix Motul and Mobil 1 
 synthetics with any dinosaur (SG-rated) oil..

 Stefan

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From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Speaking of Fiamms...
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:20:41 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <1992Aug12.213400.6460@island.COM> darell@island.COM (Darell Dickey) writes:
>>They ain't that loud.  I tried them on my bike last night, and they were
>>disappointing.  Maybe that's because I'd only mounted one so far.  We'll
>>see whether the double dose is better.

(No, actually I wrote that.)

>I didn't want to be the first to mention this, I figured there must be
>something wrong with me.  I finally found a great source of Fiamms in
>the San Francisco Bay Area (Kragen Auto), but was quite disappointed.
>I only have room for one horn (even that was tough to fit) on my DR350S,
>so maybe two makes all the difference.  I figured that since I was 
>replacing my singe stock (disk) horn that *anything* would be much better.
>Not so.  It has more authority (lower and more truck-like), but the
>volume is damn near the same (I tested this with a friend walking down
>the block while I alternated.)  Since the Fiamm is twice the weight,
>twice the size twice the current draw and cost *much* more than the one
>that came free :^] with my DR, I'm not as impressed as I thought I'd be 
>after all the glowing testimonials.

Well, I put both Fiamms in and they _are_ louder than the stock horn, by
quite a bit.  However, they're not impressive.  They sound like a normal
car horn now, not like a big rig from hell.  The improvement is simply
because the stock horn sounds like VW bug, so the Fiamms could only be
better.

True air horn compressors add a ton of ballast so I got the electric
Fiamms instead, also from Kragen.  I'm thinking about how to do the
wiring for the compressor now ...
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
   mvij@novell.com                              \_/.  .  . . ........
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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Automatics
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:53:07 GMT

	If anybody is really interested, there's a CB750A in a junkyard
about 60 miles from my place in Caroll, Iowa.  The asking price is $350
as I remember.  It's in pretty good shape, with a bent tank and slightly
torqued forks being the only damage I could see.  Grab an old 750 tank
and forks and you're riding again.

	I understand these things are worth their weight in gold for
handicapped riders, specifically those who mount sidecars for their
wheelchairs.  I found it when I was in a chair, but thankfully the
human body is more self-repairing than my moto is.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: chrisn@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Christopher Nawrocki)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Building Leather Suits
Keywords: zippers, crashing
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:56:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Basicly, you want a one-piece.  I have a "custom" made set of leathers.  The
kidney pad and drawstrings successfully keep the jacket down and the belt keeps
the pants up.  I (fortunately) have not had to crashtest my leathers and really
do not want to.  As far as comfort and flexibility is concerned, the two
(separate) piece suit is more comfortable and flexible than the one-pice suits.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Lane Splitting (was Re: Cager penile size (was Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters))
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:12:49 GMT

In article <BD.92Aug20092400@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>What puzzles me is that I remember a few years ago there was a lot of stuff 
>in the air about cages not giving motorcycles a full lane, and encroaching 
>on our road space.  Isn't lane splitting essentially doing the same thing 
>to them?  I mean, here are two cages, running down the road next to each 
>other, thinking they have five feet of maneuvering room, and along comes a 
>motorcycle right next to them, scaring the shit out of 'em and decreasing t
>heir maneuvering room to a foot or so.

I'm usually pretty tolerant of cars trying to say, squeeze by me on the
right while I'm waiting to make a left-hand turn across traffic
(note, this is under US traffic patterns).  I was mightily annoyed,
however, when as I rode along the Mass. Turnpike one day, going maybe
5 or 10 miles over the limit because I'd gotten stuck in the left
lane and wanted to get past the line of cars on my right, some jerk
starts to pass ME in MY OWN LANE!  This at 60-65 mph.  I guess I
wasn't speeding flagrantly enough for him.  I pulled back toward the
center of my lane and he backed off.

>Are there semi-defined rules of conduct for lane splitting (when it's 
>okay, when it's jerk-like)?

I've split lanes in Massachusetts although I believe it's illegal there.
Generally I would do this only when traffic was so slow that I could not
run the engine at a good speed in first gear; then I would pull between
cars when I could, but only at slow speeds, i.e. in first or second gear,
maybe 10-15 mph.

I'm still somewhat ambivalent about this.  I don't feel bad about
getting through traffic faster than the cars, because after all they
chose their vehicles and I chose mine, and should private pilots also
fly at just 55 mph, after all?  But I am not convinced that
lane-splitting is safe.  In later years I took to just using the
size and maneuverability of the bike to quickly change lanes into
whichever lane was moving at any given time, not passing cars in my
own lane but not necessarily directly behind them either.

I have seen motorcyclists go between cars at highway speeds.  IMHO this
is very inconsiderate.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Torque VS. Horse power: What is the difference????
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:45:42 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

In article <1612@shaman.wv.tek.com>, harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes:

> >Could someone please compare the relationship of torque curves and
> >horsepower curves?
> 
> BHP = (TorqueXRPM)/5252

Why is it called *brake* horse power?

Douglas
--
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DoD #1961    BMW #55821    Renting N56136
--
A dress is nothing but pants with one pantleg.
From: zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Personal Freedoms?
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:57:22 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

R.Collins@newcastle.ac.uk (R. Collins) writes:

>I read somewhere that the charging circuit on Laverda triples wasn't man
>enough to cope with riding with lights on for very long.  Or does this
>make it as a very rare case?

My '73 Guzzi has a generator instead of an alternator, and that won't
cope with riding with lights on all day.  
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     Adelaide City Council       |  - you merely have the privilege 
    zebee@itd.adelaide.edu.au    |    of paying its bills.... 
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From: wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf)
Subject: MC rentals in Europe and West Coast?
Reply-To: wolf@mt.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:15:42 GMT

A while back someone posted a listing of motorcycle rental agencies both in Europe
and the West coast.  I stored the listing knowing I'd need it someday.  Unfortunately
it fell victim to my bi-yearly disk cleanup.   If somebody out there is in
posession of such a list - any list - I would much appreciate it if you could send
it to me - or post it again...

Thanks in advance,
Tom

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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Road Rider Reviews Horns!
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:09:03 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <749@zx11.UUCP>, joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
> my favorite part of the article was the 200 foot readings where the stock
> horns they tested were in the 82db range and the Harley horns were,
> "not discernible on meter". they must have had the engine off... :-)

no, no, no!  

just the opposite.

they couldn't hear the horns because the engine was *ON*!

-- 
-- bob pasker
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