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From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: What about REMAKES?
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:46:50 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Oct1.102847.1414@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>were excelent.  In '64 they stopped the covers to prove to EMI they 
>could write a whole LP, and out came A Hard Day's Night.  You have to 

One of their weakest albums IMO. Sure the first side is OK (the songs
from the films), but there are a fair number of fillers on side 2 -
bottom of the list is I'll Cry Instead ("I've got a chip on my shoulder
bigger than my feet" - yucko)

>Before I go: Guess what band could not get to # 1 until thy made a 
>cover of a Lennon-Mc Carthy song?
>The Rolling Stones, believe it or not.  They were deep into blues and 
>Muddy Waters and weren't getting much recognition, until they decided 
>to sing I Want to be your Man.  Jagger's version is pretty amazing, 

Woah there. "Not getting much recognition"? As I remember there were hot
on the Beatles' heels over here, with teenagers being encouraged to split
into Stones vs Beatles supporters (it wasnt hip to like both): I always
felt that the Stones doing a Beatles "cover"* was aimed at breaking this
false rivalry that the press had built up - how could they be rivals if
they wrote a song for them?

* A funny case of "cover", in that the Stones version came out first I
think. The same happened with "Do You Want to Know a Secret" (Billy J
Kramer) and maybe "Got to get you into my life" (cant remember the name
of the band - it wasnt Brian Poole & the Tremeloes was it?), "If I needed
someone" (Hollies) and probably  several more --- or am I imagining all
this?
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: magazine articles around
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:03:22 GMT

There are a few appearances of the boys on the newsstand that rmb should
take note of:

The October 25, 1992 "Rolling Stone".  A retrospective of some of the 
interviews the magazine has done over the last 25 years.  Included are 
excerpts from the infamous "Lennon Remembers" piece from December 1970 
(published in early 1971), and McCartney's first Rolling Stone interview
from 1973 (published in early 1974)  What is interesting about the two
pieces (to me) is to compare and contrast the two interviews.

Lennon comes off as the angry, disillusioned young man he was in 1970.  A
world apart from the content father who would come to the fore a decade later
in the _Playboy_ interviews.  

Paul, meanwhile appears not to have changed much between 1973, and now.  One
quote struck me as being very much like something he would say today: [after
talk about John, and their on-again off-again feud]  "Now, you know that's not
true; you're joking.  He's got a grudge, man; the guy's trying to polish you
off."  Gradually I started to think: "Great, that's not true!  I'm not really
like Engelbert; I don't just write ballads."  And that kind of kept me hanging
on, but at that time, I tell you, it hurt me.  Whew.  Deep.
----------

The October issue of "Mix" magazine features a rather lengthy interview with
Geoff Emerick  (if you don't know who he is, you need to read the book) and
a short interview with Ringo about his most recent tour.  In addition to
in-depth discussion of working with the Boys, and all of his subsequent work
with George Martin (including much of McCartney's recent work).

An interesting fact is that EMI has apparently marked the "Pepper" machines 
for historical reasons.  All of them currently sit with large bumper-sticker
sized labels which state "Studer 137 4 Track - one definitely used on 'Sgt.
Pepper'", and "Fairchild Limiter used on 'Sgt. Pepper.'"

Well worth a look.

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
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Subject: Any News on the release of those 'new' singles?
From: adem1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Adam Edward         Demeter        )
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:58:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

The one about the kitten and a few more? It would be really good to here
some previously unreleased stuff!
Adam

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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: Harrison live in NYC!!!!
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 22:14:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Keywords: 

For the first time in almost 20 years, George Harrison will be performing live 
in Madison Square Garden as part of the all-star tribute to Bob Dylan.
Hey New Yorkers!  Sneak in a camorder and make a bootleg!
From: teague@acavax.lynchburg.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: For sale: Mobile Fidelity Boxed Set
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:32:01 -0500
Organization: Lynchburg College


I am offering for sale the Mobile Fidelity Beatles Collection LP boxed set
at the price of $500.  The box is not sealed, however, this was an extra set 
that I purchased and the albums have not been played.  It is also in Mint
condition cosmetically in that it has been kept in its original shipping box.
Keep in mind that this set presents the first four Beatles LPs (British
versions) in stereo, unlike the current CD versions, which are mono.  Sound
quality is outstanding.

Please respond to teague@acavax.lynchburg.edu if interested.  Thanks.
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Butcher Cover values
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.203641.7796@rigel.econ.uga.edu> connie@uga.edu (Connie M. Doss) writes:
>Butcher cover is mono.  Its first state, cover in very good shape except
>for one bent corner.  I am not greedy just want to know the value of it.

No question of greed---of course you want to know the value of a
keepsake such as this.

According to Perry Cox and Joe Lindsay's "The Beatles Price Guide
for American Records", the "first state" (i.e. never pasted over)
mono copy of the LP "Yesterday and Today" (released only in the
U.S. by Capitol), if truly first-state and in very good condition,
is $1000; if near-mint (the bent cover might knock the value down
if otherwise this good) $2000. These are prices according to
collecting values in 1990. The market has undoubtedly changed since
then. Note that stereo editions of this LP, first-state, are
rarer and the prices thus higher (VG is $2200, near-mint $5000).

First-state means that the cover was *never* pasted over with the
familiar "trunk" shot of the Boys. An exceptionally well-peeled
LP is not first state. Cox and Lindsay suggest an easy test to
see if your LP is really first-state: lightly moisten a piece of
tissue paper, gently press on cover and allow to dry. If the tissue
sticks, it's not first-state; if the tissue easily blows off after
drying, it's most likely authentic. Glue residue of any sort will
cause the tissue to adhere.

For those who may be puzzled, the Butcher Cover was the original
photo used on "Yesterday and Today", showing the Beatles posing
in white lab coats with doll parts and pieces of meat. It was
a photo left over from a session earlier in 1966 shot for the
"Paperback Writer" publicity campaign. Despite tenacious urban
legend, the Beatles did *not* issue the cover as a protest
against being "butchered" by Capitol Records' policy to issue
their LPs in different formats in the U.S. But backlash from
record distributors caused Capitol to withdraw the album shortly
before shipping and paste the aforesaid "trunk" cover over preexisting
butcher covers. 

With very few exceptions, the true first-state butcher cover
was distributed only to media and record company outlets, and
reputedly never made it to the stores.

--
"They play mostly their own compositions and one of the boys 
has written a song which I really believe to be the hottest
material since 'Living Doll'."
-----------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
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From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Subject: Re: Edited Decca Audition
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:21:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.150928.13011@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>In article <Bw2o2E.FFM@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> tmdbutch@laplace.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
>>I have one of the commercial issues of the Decca audition
>>with the twelve non-Lennon-McCartney songs.  A week or so
>>ago, someone in this group commented that reissues of the
>>audition were often lengthened by furtive editing.  So...
>>how do I tell if my copy has been edited or not?
>
>I think you misunderstood. The songs themselves were not
>edited. But many collections of the Decca tapes omit the three
>Lennon/McCartney originals to avoid copyright problems (the Fabs
>and their lawyers have been known to go after distributors who
>include those songs---"Love of the Loved", "Like Dreamers Do",
>and "Hello Little Girl").

I have a couple of the commercial as well as the non-commercial
releases, and the songs DO in fact vary in length.
Some are faded early. I don't know why.
I assume some editing has been made, but I always thought the songs
were shortened instead of lengthened (is that an english word BTW?)

Christer
From: connie@uga.edu (Connie M. Doss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:58:33 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct13.093304.1447@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>Questions Galore:
>What other song besides FLYING (Magical Mystery Tour) is attributed to 
>all four Beatles?  Who kept the Copyright of songs that weren't 
>Lennon-McCartney or Harrisongs?
>Anyone know the story behind Dr Robert?
>THanks, 
>Federico

Flying was attributed to them because it was an instrumental.  Dr.
Robert gave out pills.  I think.
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Liverpool Oratorio at Boulder
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:38:02 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

tlist@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Thomas B. List) writes:

>Tomorrow night the Liverpool Oratorio makes its Colorado debut at Macky 
                                                                   ^^^^^
>Auditorium on the University of Colorado campus.  We'll be there in the front 
>row!   Now, does anyone know where we can find a hotel room?

What kind of twisted soul thought *this* one up?

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Bootlegs and Imports
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:46:34 GMT
Reply-To: stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson

My local used record store has a **ton** of Beatle bootlegs and I am 
very interested in buying some...but since I have never done so before,
I don't know what's good, what's crap and what's a fair price.  Could som
knowledgeable individual give me some assistance?  Thanks in advance!
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From: lyle@utkvx2.utk.edu (Bradley S. Lyle)
Subject: The Bealtes on Disney
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:30:00 GMT


Just got the October/November issue of the Disney Channel magazine and there
are a whole bunch of goodies coming up that I thought I would pass along.

* Note items that appear in quote come directly from the magazine.
	All times are Eastern/Pacific*

The Making of Sgt. Pepper
	 -"Producer George Martin looks at Sgt. Pepper looks at Sgt. Pepper's 
	   Lonely Hearts Club Band, and reminisces about each song. With
	   interviews with George, Paul, and Ringo." (1992, 1:00)
				               		    ^^^^
	   October  12 - 11:30 p.m.
	   October  20 - 11:05 p.m.
	   November 26 - 10:30 p.m.

Magical Mystery Tour
	-"The Beatles go on tour as a group of traveling magicians, turning
	  an ordinary motor coach trip into the Magical Mystery Tour." 
	  (1967, 0:50)
	  October  10 - 11:00 p.m.

John & Yoko's Imagine
	-"The masterful 1971 hour-long video celebrates John Lennon's
	  powerful creative statements on the Imagine album." (1971 1:00)
	  October  25 -  9:00 p.m.
	  October  29 - 12:00 a.m.
	  November  6 - 10:35 p.m.
	  November 16 -  1:00 a.m.
	  November 30 - 10:00 p.m.

A Tribute to John Lennon
	-"This all-star salute to John Lennon and his music features 
	  performances by Paul McCartney, Elton John, Natalie Cole
	  Cyndi Lauper, and more." (1990 1:39)
	  October  18 -  9:00 p.m.
	  October  23 - 10:00 p.m.
	  November 22 - 11:00 p.m.
	  November 29 - 10:00 p.m.

Paul McCartney: Get Back
	-"This rollicking concert film- a world television premiere- features
	  McCartney's solo hits and the great Lennon-McCartney Beatles
          classics. Selected for our mature viewers; parental discretion is
	  advised." (1992 2:00)
	  November  1 -  9:00 p.m.
	  November  7 - 11:05 p.m.
	  November 12 -  9:35 p.m.
	  November 18 - 11:05 p.m.
	  November 26 -  9:00 p.m.

Paul McCartney: Going Home
	-"At the end of his 1989-1990 world tour, Paul McCartney returned
	  to Liverpool for a benefit concert." (1992 1:00)
	  October  11 -  9:00 p.m.
	  October  17 - 11:00 p.m.

Coming this winter.....
Ringo Starr: Going Home
	-"The former Beatle returns to his old hometown of Liverpool in this
	  latest installment of The Disney Channel's Going Home music special." 
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From: shyamal@seas.smu.edu (Shyamal Prasad)
Subject: Re: You know my name(look up the #)
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:55:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.183153.23522@samba.oit.unc.edu> Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes:
>iIts on past masters vol2:
>Me and my friends used to have a BLAST when we smoked and
>lip-synched our respective parts.  We have our own theories as
>to what the song could possible mean.  I'd really like to hear yours.
>
>Sidd


Hey, I thought this song was supposed to be just that - a *BLAST*
and little more. I think looking for deep meaning is pushing your
luck.

However it *never* struck me that there could be meaning in there....

Shyamal

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From: cnc405@bnr.ca (Charles Board)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Founders Of Capitol Records
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:19:44 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research


Can anyone tell me who the three founders of Capitol Records were?
(One will do)

Please mail responses to cnc405@bnr.ca

Obligatory Beatles Content: Well, they DID record for Capitol (in the US). 
Seriously, ICE magazine is giving away a collectable with a few rare
Beatle tracks to somebody picked at random from those answering this
question...and I'd like to at least be in the drawing.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: flink@mits.mdata.fi (Ari Flinkman)
Subject: Words for Beatles' songs
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:39:39 GMT
Summary: Looking for words
Keywords: words 

I am looking for Beatles' songs words. I am interested them all, so if 
if you have those, post those to me via E-Mail.

Thanks. 
	
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From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: Magical Misery Tour ?
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:41:26 GMT

dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:

<In <5309@rosie.NeXT.COM> Doug_Mitchell@next.com (Doug Mitchell) writes:
<>It's from the "Radio Dinner" LP. It came out around '73 or '74. Haven't  
<>seen it in a store (on LP or CD or whatever) in years. What a great  
<>recording! The Lennon voice was done by Tony Hendra, I think, who played  
<>the British manager in This is Spinal Tap.

<	Heh.  How quickly they forget.  Material that appeared on the
<National Lampoon Radio Dinner album was all recycled from the (drum
<roll please).... National Lampoon Radio Hour.  NLRH was a weekly
<program that aired on a network (?) of stations that were I think
<mostly college and non-commercial.  When  NLRH was on in New York it
<played on WRVR-FM, a non-commercial all-jazz station.  I know that the
<program didnt last for very long.  There may be some clues to it in
<old back issues of National Lampoon from say 1972 or 73.  I dont know
<what the date of the original airing of Magical Misery Tour was,
<but I'll see if I can find out!

Yes it's true that material from the National Lampoon Radio Hour
eventually appeared on at least one album (_Gold Turkey_), but I'm
pretty sure that all of the material on the _Radio Dinner_ album was
originally recorded specifically for the album and *not* broadcast
previously on the radio. I can't prove this, but I was a huge Lampoon
fan and followed these things pretty closely. But hey, if I'm wrong...

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov
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From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:53:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.093304.1447@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, marulanda@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
|> Questions Galore:
|> What other song besides FLYING (Magical Mystery Tour) is attributed to 
|> all four Beatles?  Who kept the Copyright of songs that weren't 
|> Lennon-McCartney or Harrisongs?
|> Anyone know the story behind Dr Robert?
|> THanks, 
|> Federico

     "Flying" is the only song on which all four Beatles share writing credits.
     "Dr. Robert" is a reference to a Doctor *Roberts* in NYC who was known for
prescribing LSD to his patients.
     As to the copyright question, I must admit that I have no idea.

Gabe (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
     "Well, for starters, I don't like your tie."
                                        --George Harrison
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From: tlist@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Thomas B. List)
Subject: Liverpool Oratorio at Boulder
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:33:30 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School

Tomorrow night the Liverpool Oratorio makes its Colorado debut at Macky 
Auditorium on the University of Colorado campus.  We'll be there in the front 
row!   Now, does anyone know where we can find a hotel room?
From: rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:29:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1992Oct13.182950.3341
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1992Oct13.165317.19233@athena.mit.edu> nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian) writes:
>     "Flying" is the only song on which all four Beatles share writing credits.

I'll have to go home to check, but I seem to recall that "What goes on?" is
written by all four.
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From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Re: "Two Of Us"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:08:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.215148.18546@leland.Stanford.EDU> raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson) writes:
  
>	Overall, "Two of Us" fits as one of the final compositions in a string
>of McCartney songs of reconciliation, homecoming, rest -- even redemption.  
>Hey Jude, Let It Be, Get Back, Golden Slumbers, The End:  all contain the same
>cadence of resolution, the same inevitable direction toward a reunion with the
>good and familiar.  You're right, Saki; "Two of Us" may be the most bittersweet
>of all these reconciliations -- Paul's final farewell to a union he couldn't 
>save.  
>
>				Nat Pearson
>				raindrop@leland.stanford.edu
	
	I know it's poor protocol to respond to my own posting, but I wanted
	to add two songs to the series of McCarthney works above:  Blackbird 
	and The Long and Winding Road fit perfectly into the mold of songs 
	described; I hope their inclusion will better illustrate what I'm 
	trying to say about Paul's later Beatles-era mindset.

				Nat
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Seventeen"
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:34:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Oct9.071428.23580@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>: 
>: Although saki doesn't mention it, these tapes are available on
>: the "Yellow Dog" release of the Decca auditions.  Not an essential
>: release, but nice for the brief "Cavern" tape, and the *complete*
>: Decca auditions.  (incl: "Hello Little Girl" and "Love of the Loved",
>: absent on most if not all of the quasi-legal releases)
>
>Most, not all.  I have a vinyl, legal at time of issue, since
>suppressed, with these on.
>

I also have a copy with these tunes on it.  It is the vinyl issue with
the very imaginative history of the Decca tapes, even stating that
singles were released on Decca at the time! :-)

In regards to the "Seventeen" question (ie was it written by June 6 '62),
if anyone happens to go to a Beatle even with Pete Best as a guest, why
not ask him?  He would remember as well as anyone, and he's certainly
much more accessable than Paul, George or Ringo.

Perhaps we could suggest to Mr. Lewisohn that a interesting project would
be to try to date the composition of Lennon/McCartney tunes, as well as
their first performance/recording.


Bruce


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From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Two Of Us"
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:55:33 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Oct2.205853.24961@midway.uchicago.edu> dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki) writes:

>In a recent article, mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno) suggests:

>>Could someone tell me whether "The Two of Us"
>>is indeed a song about the good old times when Paul & John
>>were not so angry at each other? (You and I have memories...)

>resonance. And the most revealing phrase of the song---"You and I have
>memories/Longer than the road that stretches out ahead"---suggests an
>indefinable period of mutual recollection. That doesn't fit Paul and
>Linda terribly well in 1969, when they'd known each other for only
>a couple of years and had been romantically involved for a much shorter
>time. 


Another interpretation: as you're starting out a relationship with a new
person, you want to acknowledge that you both have a "past" - it's
foolish to pretend neither of you have ever had a relationship with
someone else before 
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