HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: umisef@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Bernd Meyer)
Subject: Re: 0.98 and serial ports, IRQs
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:09:11 GMT

tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
>   6. If I set 2 ports to the same IRQ, do they also share the COM address.

>You don't want to do this; if you do, both ports will conflict with each
>other and both will not work.  Either trying to setting both ports to
>use the same IRQ or use the same COM address will cause you to lose.
>The only exception is on multi-port boards which are *designed* to allow
>ports on that card to share a single IRQ, such as the AST Fourport card.

>							- Ted
Well, my cheapo Multi-IO cards do this as well. This text is written on
a linux system connected to my host via Highspeed modem, which in turn is connected
to one of four serial lines two multi io cards give me. Both are using IRQ
3 and 4. Only bad thing is that I can only use 2 of them at a time with linux
(not to speak of dos). Anyone having any ideas as to what Interrupts might
still be free in a machine with
-Soundblaster PRO
-ET 4000 
-ESDI Controller
-Logitech scanner (anyone specs for it? Would like supporting it!)
.

Bernie

umisef@mcshh.hanse.de
From: William.Ehrendrich@mixcom.mixcom.com (William.Ehrendrich)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Da merchandizing
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:00:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: mixcom.1992Sep27.140046.10468
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

>In <717558758snx@crynwr.com> nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:

>When Linux 1.0 is released, who is going to send out all the press
>releases?  We can't just let Linux be available to the on-line
>community.  We have to let everyone else know about it.  And besides
>which, there are a lot of people who just don't read Usenet (no time,
>too much flamage, too random, etc).

>If no one else is going to do it, I'll volunteer...

>-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>  I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
>Crynwr Software            Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
>11 Grant St.               315-268-1925 Voice
>Potsdam, NY 13676          315-268-9201 FAX

I would be happy to help. I work for myself and have the time......
I have a public linux system going up and I also will be going on the net as 
metcom.com. I am excited about linux and wixh to see it grow.
 
==============================================================================
To turn your 486 into an XT, type WIN at the prompt.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
William Ehrendreich
2707 W Carmen Ave
Milwaukee, WI 53029
-- 
William Ehrendreich     William.Ehrendreich@Mixcom.com      President
Metro Communications                                Network Developer
2707 N. Carmen           
Milwaukee, WI            "The one who runs a communications company..
1-414-377-8906            is always the hardest to communicate with!"
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Patch 1 for 0.98 out...
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:07:03 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

nic.funet.fi: pub/OS/Linux/testing/Linus contains the first patch to
0.98 (along with a bootimage and the full source for those that don't
like to patch). 

Patch1 to 0.98 mainly corrects some driver problems: it contains the
added "inb_p(HD_STATUS)" for hd.c, as well as a changed mouse driver
setup (hope it works - I couldn't test it..).  There are also some SCSI
driver patches: the seagate driver uses irqaction() to get irq's, and
the aha1542 driver has the speedup patches. 

The bootimage should be compiled without the auto-SVGA mode, so people
who had problems with linux automatically using a SVGA mode should be ok
in this release. 

		Linus
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Please stop that!!
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:59:48 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Please stop changing comp.os.linux into alt.flame.tex.vs.wysiwyg.
Surely there are some few people who love to repeat that arguments
over and over again but for the rest of the world it is just
annoying. Btw. this is nothing of a Linux-specific thing, or a
question of Linux DOS emulators anymore.


MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
    o     Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - univ of karlsruhe - germany
 _ /<_    s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de - uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc
(_)>(_)   +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
Wenn Sie trockenen Wein m"ogen und haben nur zwei halbtrockene,
 sch"utten Sie die zusammen, das ist dann ganz trocken.
 - Thomas Gottschalk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Choose VGA board for Linux, OS/2 and WIN3.1
From: davidho@dopey.rc.arizona.edu
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:59:29 MST
Distribution: comp.os.linux, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,local
Organization: University of Arizona

Could someone give me some advice how to choose a good VGA card?
From the FAQ of Linux I have follow choices:
 
  ET3000  (for ex. GENOZ 5300/5400)
  ET4000  (Tricom, STB PWR Graph, Sigma Legend, etc.)
  GVGA    (Genoa 6400)
  PVGA1A  (Paradise VAG Professional)
  WD90c00 (Paradise VAG 1024)
 
I will install Linux and run X on my 486sx.
I use Diamond Stealth right now. I still get some problems
work on my MS window 3.1.  And I am consider to work on
OS/2 2.0 in the near future.
 
What's the best choice of Vedio Board that I can get satisfied drivers
and can work with Linux, OS/2 2.0, and MS window3.1?
Any suggestions, specifications, and mail order company info are
appreciated.
 
David Ho
davidho@dopey.rc.arizona.edu
 
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: Upgraded to .98 from .97p2,login screen says .97p2
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:10:49 GMT

In article <BvMH9t.LDG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:
>I recently upgraded from .97p2 to .98 however the login screen still says
>.97p2, is this a problem or not?

It depends what you mean by login screen.  If you mean the list of
messages that Linux presents as it initializes the system (stuff about
serial ports, SCSI devices, etc), then it would be a problem that it
reports 0.97p2 instead of 0.98.

If you mean in the message that login displays, you need to edit the
file /etc/motd.
-- 
                                    +      Jim Winstead Jr. (CSci '95)
                                    |      Harvey Mudd College, WIBSTR
                                    |   jwinstea@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
                                    + or jwinstea@fenris.Claremont.EDU
From: A200%SIUEMUS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu (Louis J. LaBash, Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ll format IDE to install linux
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:00:34 GMT
Reply-To: A200%SIUEMUS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

|a.  has it ever been decided if it is safe to ll format ide?

It all depends on the drive's design, there is no universal answer to
this question.  It is always safe not to low-level format IDE drives;
but the converse isn't always true, hence the often stated warning.

I recommend contacting the manufacturer about the specific model, in
this case Western Digital.
Western Digital's phone numbers: (800)832-4778 or (800)777-4787

b.  where can I get a program to do this?  I checked in
    dskutls on simtel and found only the asm source for
    a ll format program.  It did not mention ide, so I
    am not sure it would be safe to use it.

Disk Manager, a commercial product, and some ROM BIOS will format IDE
drives, according to a technical paper by Seagate, which is available
from their BBS.  -WARNING SEE THE ABOVE-

Summary: Some can and some can't

 -ljl-
 ---------------------------------------------------------
  /* 1 in 10 drivers is drunk & 9 others aren't paying attention */
                     Louis J. LaBash, Jr.
          A200@SIUEMUS.BITNET   |   labashl@vax3.siue.edu
From: sg2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott R. Grabowski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Okay, another CLISP problem (fatal!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:42:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IemBjGa00YV9M8Vm1R
Organization: Junior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hello, again......

Well, I followed the instructions that were posted the other day by Ziad
Najem regarding not being able to finish the compile of CLISP.  So then
I followed the rest of the instructions in the README and hurridly went
to run Lisp (since my program is due Thursday ;-)  Anyways, I keep
getting this error that continuously scrolls off the screen "reached
line 743 in debug.d, etc." (sorry, don't have a copy of it in front of
me).  At first, it was because I typed an incorrect file name to load. 
However, then it crashed on a (should-be) working program.  So, I
figured I would try it for (/ 2 0).  Same thing.  It appears that the
error routines need fixed or something.  Anyone have a copy of CLISP up
and running for Linux?  FYI, this is version .97pl5, 486/33, 4MB, IDE,
VGA.

Thanks again,

-Scott

Scott Grabowski                +  "I don't pretend to understand women's
sg2j@andrew.cmu.edu            +  little quirks, just one thing I know for
Physics is Phun!               +  sure, chicks dig jerks."  - Marblehead
Johnson!
From: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: GCC 2.2.2d, lib41, and Jump 4.1, bootable root disk
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:45:01 GMT
Reply-To: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <BvILCz.M56@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> eoi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Chenmin Zhang) writes:

>     I got bootable disk for linux 0.97.6 kernel and all the GCC 2.2.2d,
>lib4.1, jump4.1 stuff from tsx-11.mit.edu site.  When it went to install
[...]
>file from 0.97.1.  When I run the script again, it runs and asks me the
>387 stuff, suddenly some error messages appear saying that "chmod, chown
>couldn't some directory or files, then nearly all the command couln't
>be used.  I check the /usr, /etc, /usr/bin..., all command permission
>became -rw-r-r, no execute flag.  Since I couln't find what was the original
[...]

Exactly the same happened to me. I didn't have some directories the script
expected me to have and it removed execute permissions and setuid-bits from
all programs in /bin and /usr/bin!

>Is there something wrong in my installation?  Is there anything wrong in
>lib-4.1.sh script?

The script is not very robust. It does cd <dir> without checkin whether the
directory exists. Maybe HLU can fix it.

>chenmin

Arjan
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: anatoly@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Anatoly Ivasyuk)
Subject: Re: xxgdb uploaded to sunsite and tsx-11
Originator: anatoly@nick.csh.rit.edu
Reply-To: anatoly@nick.csh.rit.edu
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.183047.2343@cs.brown.edu> wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:
>I tried the program and encounted a problem.
>
>	When I run the program by redirecting the input like
>		
>		(xxgdb) run < dat
>
> the program issued a message
>	[ioctl TIOCSPGRP failed in terminal_inferior: Not a typewriter]
>
> but succeeds anyway.

I get these messages myself.  I'm going to go bug hunting in the
near future, because this was just a quick and dirty port of xxgdb, since
I needed it for a project right away.  There are other bugs I found yesterday,
such as not refreshing the window properly when de-iconified, and it hung in
a wierd place while debugging the server process for my project.  If anyone
has the source and found a fix for this, please mail me.  However, I will go
bug hunting soon.  In the meanwhile, consider xxgdb in beta testing under
Linux.

> Finally, the xxgdb gives me
>	Program exited with code 0220.
>
> The answer is correct, but the messages are annoying and should be
> considered to be a bug.
>

The "Program exited..." messages are standard and are not a bug.  These report
the exit status of the program you're debugging, and can be quite handy
if your program returns different codes for different errors.

>Wen-Chun Ni

-Anatoly
-- 
           | Anatoly Ivasyuk @ Rochester Institute of Technology |
           |-----------------------------------------------------|
           | anatoly@nick.csh.rit.edu |  ani0349@cs.rit.edu      |
           | Computer Science House   |  Computer Science Dept.  |
From: jgifford@world.std.com (Why Linux? Why Not?)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: HELP!!, I need protocols.h, where is it??
Summary: netinet/protocols.h missing(for me)
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:00:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvLr14.Mow
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I just tried to compile the kernel(0.98) with the tcpip stuff IN, I am 
compiling under 0.97.5  (0.97.6 didn't like my serial ports somehow)
Anyway, I get most of the way through the compile, then barfs on
the net stuff, because I don't have
{/usr/include|/usr/src/linux/include}/netinet/protocols.h   I used find, and
I just don't have it!!
Could someone tell me where to get it, or mail me a copy?  I really need this
(I think) anyway, this tcpip stuff looks great so far.  ;)

BTW, Is the xv2.0 on tsx-11 officially released yet?
I have been waiting for the 'official' announcement, before d/l'ing so much
data.  

Thanks,
Jim Gifford
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: graves@jemez.eece.unm.edu (John Graves)
Subject: RE: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:34:47 GMT
Organization: MCI
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Advertising

It is very easy to "Sell" Linux...(it's free ;) ) everyone I tell would "LOVE"
to have a copy.  But when I tell them... Just go on the internet to
???.???.???.?? and download ???Meg... They say "Can I copy yours?"

When 1.0 comes out, I plan to have both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" versions available
at my desk for people to copy.  Including disks with most of the utilities,
man pages, gcc, X, etc.

I will "SELL" at least 100 copies ;) 

The best way to make Linux "spread like wild fire" is to make it available...

When you tell someone how wonderful Linux is, you should have a copy on disk
to hand them and say "here... try it..."

I don't know if too many computer stores will like posting "FREE UNIX AVAILABLE"
right next to their versions of SCO, Coh, etc...

Universities, computer clubs, work environments, etc might be better places
to post signs.

Does anyone know someone on the "inside" of PCmag, DrDobb's, or any other PC
type mag?  DrDobb's did wonders for BSD386 with its articles.  I think PCmag
should do a 15 page article on Linux ;)...

...john


--
--
John R. Graves, Student              | Net Address: graves@warlock.unm.edu
University of New Mexico             | Home Phone : (505) 888-0427
Albuquerque, New Mexico   87131      | Work Phone : (505) 277-3934
From: ALC@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: LUIs bootable 3.5" root image
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:24:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92273.112414ALC
Organization: Penn State University

I tried this on my PS/2 57sx with 2.88MB 3.5" drives. It booted fine until
it gets to examining the fds and then says fd0 type 6 unknown and then
some errors about MSDOS BREAD fails. I guess IBM is doing something
goofy with their controller. Is there any workaround? Thanks

  /^/|^|    Alan Claver, Microcomputer Info Specialist                 |^|\^\
 / / | ||^| Penn State University Libraries                         |^|| | \ \
/_/  |_||_| E6 Pattee Library, University Park, PA 16802            |_||_|  \_\
     Ma Bell:(814) 865-7213--Bitnet:ALC@PSULIAS--Internet:ALC@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
   "Practice random kindness ...  and senseless acts of beauty"
From: donbon@gw.neuronet.pitt.edu (Don Bonaddio)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Installed 0.97, but can't add anymore ...
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:54:06 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.linux
Organization: ccn


OK, so
I installed 0.97 from tsx-11 using the two images(boot and root)
Even made the bootable floopy, using pboot. Works great!
NOW,
 I want more!
 emacs,kermit,gcc, manybe even X

What I did:
 I tried the  mcc-interim distribution. no go. It won't execute install_root
from the util(disk 2) disk Whether I boot from my bootable or the dist boot.
the message is : 'cannot execute binary file'

 So then I figured fine, I'll add what I need a little at a time.
FTP'd kermit and emacs from tsx-11.(binary mode of course). I then ftp'd them
to a pc on our net at work running Novell.(binary mode again) Then I copied
the emacs and kermit files to floppies (DOS formatted). Took the floppies
home, booted linux with my bootable floppy. Mounted the floppy '/etc/mount -t
msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt' I could ls the floppy and everthing was still there. I
then tried serveral things. I cp'd from /mnt/foo.z to linux. (Renaming to
foo.tar.Z), uncompress dumped core... so then I tried 'dd if=/mnt/foo.z
of=foo.tar.Z' At this point the file size is the same as the cp'd version.
Uncompress again dumps core. So then I try 'zcat /mnt/foo.z | uncompress |
tar -xvf -'. error 'no stdin' . It did work however for the emacs tar.Z file
that consisted of all ascii files. cp'd uncompressed and tar'd fine.

I would really like to just use the mcc-interim dist, however I would be
satisfied just to be able to add one package at a time.

I want a linux environment ! Please help !

Configuration:
 486-dx2-50MHz 256k cache
 200MB disk Partition 1=100M msdos
            Partition 2=50M linux
            Partition 3=xxM linux swap(I forget the size now)
 local bus video
 8M RAM

--
								  Don Bonaddio
	  University of Pgh Health Center and Childrens Hospital of Pittsburgh
				 (412)692-7179-Voice  donbon@neuronet.pitt.edu
				 (412)692-5093-Voice  donbon@unix.cis.pitt.edu
							   (412)692-5921-FAX
										
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: Remove G++?
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.170644.150@athena.mit.edu>, chchen@stat.fsu.edu (Ching-Hsiang Chen) writes:
|> Forgive me if this is a stupid question:
|> 
|> If I don't/will not write C++ prgram myself but just want to use GCC as a
|> tool to compile new softwares (X stuffs especially), can I remove the
|> G++ part of the GCC package? I found the 55 mb partition for Linux is
|> getting not enough recently.
|> 
|> Steve Chen     chchen@stat.fsu.edu


cd /usr
/bin/rm -rf g++-include
cd /usr/lib
/bin/rm -rf libg++.a
cd /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux
/bin/rm -rf */cc1plus

BTW, I did this when I was running Linux on a 12 MB partition.

H.J.
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: 8 bit console
Keywords: kernel keyboard french patch
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:03:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence) writes:

>From what I have seen so far, characters greater than 0x7F are rejected
>at the shell prompt.  I don't know yet if this is bash, or the cooked
>I/O routines.  I suspect the latter.  

In 0.97pl4, I have no problem with 8 bit I/O.  tcsh, bash, and emacs
all recognize meta commands, which are characters with the high order
bit.  If you want to use these for national characters, presumably
you'll have to do something to disable the interpretation as
meta-characters.  In order to get emacs to work I have to put 

  (setq meta-flag t)

in .emacs.  In order to generate meta characters under xterm, I have
to put

  xmodmap -e "keycode 64 = Alt_L Meta_L"
  xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Alt_R Meta_R"
  xmodmap -e "add mod1 = Alt_R"

in .xinitrc.  This is with the beta version of Xfree86 that has been
on tsx-11.  (This is probably a bug.  I think the default setup of the
server should allow the Alt keys to generate meta.)  You may also
have to do "stty -istrip cs8", though cs8 doesn't seem to be critical.
Istrip controls whether the kernel strips the high-order bit.
From: tdunbar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: new TeX stuff at tsx-11
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:42:47 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


 I've put some 300dpi TeX pk font files for previewing Palatino, Helvetica,
Dingbats, and Symbol Postscript fonts in the /pub/linux/packages/TeX dir
at tsx-11.mit.edu. i say for previewing because, while they have the same
metrics as adobe's standard fonts, they are very ugly. they come from
Karl Berry's psfonts project for GNU.
  unpack them in /usr/TeX/lib/tex/fonts or wherever xdvi looks for fonts.

 LaTeX.T.Z contains all the standard latex stuff, install from / and 
then 
    latex testpage; xdvi testpage
to test it out.
 
 TeXbin.T.Z has been updated to use the Xfree86-1.1 shared libs (ie
just xdvi and mf have changed)
 
 TeXlib.T.Z contains some nice plain TeX macro packages for tables,
newsletters, and for drawing PIC like pictures in TeX (that one can view
with xdvi as well as print-ie more portable and device-independent than
postscript)
 
 thomas (tdunbar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mrex@aix01.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Martin Rex)
Subject: Once again -- FileSystem corruption
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 01:20:13 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Once again ... see Subject: it has hit me ... :(
On Friday afternoon I installed an Adaptec AHA 1542B in my 486/33
and attached a Quantum PD 425S to it.  When I booted up linux 0.97pl5
from the IDE Harddisk (yup it's a Maxtor 7213AT about some other
people have already reported problems.) the machine crashed leaving
a colourfull blinking screen.  I put in a 0.97pl6 bootdisk that
I had created some days earlier and rebooted.  This time it came
up fine and recognized the SCSI-drive correctly.

So far so good.  I set my preferred options in the kernel Makefile
for 0.97pl6 recompiled it, and installed it under /vmlinux.

After that I rebooted the machine again.  When it came up,
fsck on /dev/hda7 spilled megabytes of errors at me.
(/dev/hda7 is a 55 MByte Minix Partition /usr -- I have never
 had a FS corruption on the /dev/hda4 root partition (25MB),
 where the home-directories reside, and where I also do compilations
 quite often -- though kernel sources where recompiled under
 /usr/src/linux, the "bad" partition.)

Well I looked for about five minutes these error messages from
fsck scrolling by -- there was no way to stop it with keyboard attacks.
All the messages where about the same file, but this single file could
hardly occupy these thousands of blocks.  fsck seemed to be looping
somehow!

After five minutes I've hit the reset button and rebooted the machine --
this time from the floppy again.  The machine came up and reported
no errors from fsck.  I logged in and fsck'd again -- everything seems
fine.  So I decided to boot again from Harddisk.  This time it came
up and everything was fine -- no more errors were reported!

I have no explanation for this behaviour, and I must say it really puzzles
me!  Right now, I have included the fix for MS-Dos fs .8 and for
the Adaptec 1542B included in the kernel, and I have increased the
HD_DELAY in hd.c to 1000. (this was mentionend in an earlier posting
about Maxtor 7213 problems).  SCSI-Performance is now at about
350 KByte/s, which is about half of what could be -- before the
speedup patch it was about 150KByte/s.
(I judge from the differences measured under DOS between my SCSI
and my IDE drive).

It still might be a problem with my Maxtor 7213 (PCBA rev 52 -- june '92)
but to me it looks like linux is maybe not fault-tolerant enough.
I don't want to say linux is bad in any way,
but maybe it's possible to add some switches to offer conservative
timings for poor/flawed hardware ?

-Martin


--
 Martin Rex                              |  "Have the courage to take
 Rechenzentrum                           |   your own thoughts seriously,
 Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim    |   for they will shape you."
 E-Mail:  mrex@aix01.rz.fht-mannheim.de  |             -- Albert Einstein