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From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.folk,rec.music.dementia
Subject: Re: LESBIGAY MUSICIAN NAMES NEEDED.
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:34:41
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<1992Oct4.222126.1652@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
	<1992Oct4.215149.19752@yang.earlham.edu>
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In-reply-to: smith@comm.mot.com's message of 5 Oct 92 21:25:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.212519.16782@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.215149.19752@yang.earlham.edu>, loris@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>|> thanks for replying- no flame taken.  the reason that i'm applying for a 
>|> lesbigay show is that i feel that the contributions that lesbians, 
>|> bisexuals, gays (and straight supporters) make to the music industry go 
>|> largely unnoticed.

>I guess I feel to a certain extent that to listen to music for any reason
>other than that it is good music is missing the point. It's a similar
>situation 
>to people who listen to "Christian-label" music no matter what the
>genre, simply 
>because they loudly proclaim to be Christian.

Well, I like to listen to music because it is good music, certainly.
However, I also like to pay attention to the *topics* and *ideas* in the
lyrics.  If someone's lyrics are, for example, extremely negative or
violent towards women, I'm going to have a hard time enjoying the song,
no matter how good the music is.  A slightly less obvious thing is when
the song makes assumptions that are not consistent with my life.  For
example, I am polyamorous (I can be in love with more than one person,
or seeing more than one person at once), so certain songs really stand
out to me as emphasizing monogamy as "normal," which is not horrible,
but I would *like* to hear about people with ideas like mine, as well.

That's where the Christian, Lesbigay, etc., comes in.  People like music
that they, personally, can relate to, especially as opposed to music
that denies their reality/ideas.  Now, there's no guarantee that artists
who are, for example, Christian, will write all songs about Christians,
but I find that something of their life and ideas generally comes
through.

Just to put some actual information in here, try disappear fear.  The
basic band is two sisters, one gay, one straight.  They have a great
song where they each have a part talking about a new lover, one clearly
female, the other clearly male.  I understand that this was booed by a
primarily-lesbian crowd once...that's really sad, because I think that
it's great to acknowledge *two* ways of life/love in one song.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:26:43 -0400 
From: Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Thanks a-plenty


And now for something completely different...

    Thanks to everyone who identified that song for me ("I Sit on Acid"
by the Lords of Acid).  I'm off to (hopefully) purchase _Lust_ in, oh,
an hour or so.

    Joe


PS:  See, Matt?  This group IS good for something after all.

PSS:  Matt, please have the decency to direct my impending flame to ME
    personally as to not clutter up everyone else's mailbox.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: $5 Bill Redacted:
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:39:06 GMT

In article <BvGv9q.GGD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (null pointer) writes:
 
>
>In article <moron-documentary> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>>>
>>>Matamoros, apocere, anencephaly, and the Temple of Psychick Youth.
>>>
>>>Tie these four things together and what do you get?
>>>
>>
>>       Hey, he said it, not me...
>>
>
>That's because you could pronounce [let alone comprehend] three
                    ^^^^^
>of the four items listed.  Someone has to speak coherently, Dan.
 
Looks like you goofed up there, Matt!
Hee, hee, hee! :)
 
>
>
>Don't you have LOGO homework to do?
 
Don't you have LEGO homework to do? ;-)
 
>
>
 
Sorry Matt. My posting software ingores you're Follow-up-to line.
 
>
>
>Matthew Neill Sharp
>matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu
 
Can't you just flame in e-mail like the rest of us? Huh, Matthew Kneel Suck?
 
 
--Eric
 
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Thanks! (USA debate resoundingly settled: )
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:40:09 GMT

Thanks to everyone who replied concerning the USA debate,
I am glad I got 9 answers, all identical. Actually I was
arguing with 4 friends here in Australia, and they ALL
ganged up on me, claiming that the US had 52 states! I was
the ONLY person who KNEW it has 50 and they refused to
believe me... ah well :) They can eat this now.

Amazingly enough, no flames came thru! Several of you even
expressed concern about me receiving heaps of flames but
... not a one!

ObIndustrial! What is the price of an import NIN PHM and Broken
in Australia? I'm looking for the best deal, pref. in Melbourne
but Sydney is OK and perhaps other places if cheap enough...
Alternatively, and better, when will these be released here?
Will they be crap quality like the HLAH? Pathetic, I must say.
I hope the Broken doesn't come in a digipak. BTW are all the US
Broken's in digipaks?

Paul

--
Second Hand vinyl for sale: Depeche Mode, Indie, Severed Heads,
Beloved, New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets,
Cabaret Voltaire. Also X1 as NEW $88US, $110AUS.
From: s882076@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Sean Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of...?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:59:07 GMT

catesc@nuge110.its.rpi.edu (Chris Cates) writes:


>..picked up an album by the SWAMP TERRORISTS at a used record 
>show this past weekend,
>guitars licks and loads o' cool samples.
  Anybody heard of 'em?  More info
>or anything is appreciated.. the album I got is self-titled if I remember 
>right...

The Swamp terrorists are from Berne, Switzerland and formed in 1988.
According to their press release, "a music award from the city of Berne
created some major upheavel within the more serene town hall."
Michael Antene, of the band, says "It's important for us to extend
the limitations of our voices far beyond that what popular music
demands of you."
Their album "Grow-Speed-Injection" was released March 1992 on the Machinery
label.
I forget exactly now, but I think they also have an EP with a similar
3-word title.

Sean

PS: Care to post further details about the album you have?
From: lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liz Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Club/City Info
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:48:12 GMT
Organization: Office of the Dean - CFA, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 24-Sep-92 in Cool concerts coming up in ..
user Todd Alan Padezanin@andr writes:
>- I've booked an East Coast tour for Japanese noise band C.C.C.C.
>(compare to Merzbow, Incapacitants, etc.) Most shows are with Pittsburgh
>industrial band Macronympha. The dates are:
>Oct. 6 - Middle East, Boston
>Oct. 7 - AS220, Providence
>Oct. 8 - Mondale Loft (industrial-strength home of WRPI DJ Mike Rose), Albany
>Oct. 9 - Gargyole Mechanique, New York City
>Oct. 10 - open
>Oct. 11 - Pittsburgh as listed above (with Crash Worship)
>Oct. 12 - Freakin' Pizza, Columbus
>Oct. 13 - Lower Links, Chicago with ILLUSION OF SAFETY!
> 

We'll (Macronympha) be playing with C.C.C.C. in all the above cities
except Boston.  Can anyone give us some info on:

AS220 Club
The Providence area/scene in general
Mondale Loft
Albany area/scene in general
Gargoyle Mechanique
if anything Cool is happening in NYC
Lower Links
if anything Cool is happening in Chicago

Will anyone on the net be attending any of the shows??

Is there a daytime/afternoon screening of "Hellraiser 3" in Providence
or Albany anywhere?

Chris Texeira - can you make the Oct 7 show in Providence?

Ken Chasse - can you make the Oct. 8 show in Albany?

Do we have any net-noizeheads in NY City who will be around on Oct 9?

Also, who will be going to the show on Oct. 13 in Chicago with Illusion
of Safety?

Thanks - either post or send e-mail to lf01@andrew.cmu.edu

-Liz and Joe of Macronympha
From: cc79+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carey D. Clevenger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN, Ministry (was: Re: ItchE and ScratchE, Ministry, NIN, SevHeads
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:36:41 GMT
	<1992Sep25.212006.27616@javelin.sim.es.com>
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Despite the fact that this was hashed over a year ago, shortly after T2's
release, I see little in common with being an actor and enjoying industrial
music.  Carey and "Lestat" need a small dose of reality.

I didn't MEAN it that way...I don't care WHAT kind of music he listens
to. If he listens to Barry Manilow, go for it.

I simply was bringing up the point that his BROTHER played guitar on
PHM. I didn't mean to say that he liked NIN or not; I wasn't even sure
if it was true or not.

Different people listen to different types of music. It's none of my
business. I simply stated the fact that his brother played guitar on PHM.

The reason that I did not discuss this topic two years ago is that I was
not a college student at the time and did not have access to this
particular board.


Carey
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Trent dupes NINys (was Re: Trent & Megadeth)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:46:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Additional Reznor credit:  "Burn (like brilliant trash at Jackie's funeral)"
>                          Machines of Loving Grace
>                          Re-produced by Trent Reznor
>                          Mammoth Records (1992)
>
>However, this single has at least one pretty good track, and IMHO ends up
>sounding a lot more like PHM than Broken.  Strange, it's not even Trent's
>voice.

I was really unimpressed with Machines of Loving Grace.  "Burn..." sucks.
They are a TERRIBLE NIN rip-off band.  Doesn't the story go that Trent
discovered them or something?  I'm surprised he didn't either laugh or sue
them when he heard them for the first time.

Bleech.

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Subject: Ministry article in Pulse! October issue
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:27:54 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

For those who are interested, there's a decent sized article with Al quotes
in the new Pulse! October issue, Tower Records free magazine they have at the
exits. 

In it, Uncle Al has lotsa comments about going more metal, use of drugs, the
future of other projects, etc.  I found it relatively interesting.  Would be
entertaining to see what people think of it.  I'd be willing to post it here
(and break a few copyright laws) just to see the flames.  


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saeed@watson.ibm.com  		i don't think i can play your game
saeed@athena.mit.edu  		you may not agree with what i say
				none of us are perfect in every way
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From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: USA argument, please settle
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:42:50 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <9227123.18563@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> pet@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Paul Eng-Yi TAN) writes:
>1) are there 50 or 52 states in the US?

52.

>2) What is puerto rico's status? an almost-state?

Rent To Own.  We've got lots of payments left.

>3) if there are 52 states, why are there only 50 stars on the flag?

We only recently acquired Australia and New Zealand, and haven't had a
chance to update our flag.  There's a bit of a furor over it, actually;
it's going to be expensive for everyone to buy new flags, and the big
corporations are complaining about refixturing costs the most, since
they have the biggest flags flying outside their places of business.
Of course, many of them are shot to hell anyhow, having been flown
continuously for years, and are tattered and faded.  Most of them 
should have been replaced long ago, but they've been dragging their
asses complaining about costs.  The new flags are smaller and much
more durable, so they could fit two flags on the old pole, if they
wished.  It's got the flag manufacturers in an uproar too -- they 
don't want to retool all their flag-making equipment.  Finally, there's
an environmental issue -- what is to be done with all the old flags?  
It's against the law in the US to be mean to the flag, since most people 
can't separate the symbol from what it symbolizes (which explains why 
most Americans are so bad at interpreting poetry and fiction.)  The 
upshot of all this is that we can't just dump them in the dirt, like we 
do with other garbage; we have to go through a long, complicated boring 
procedure to honorably retire the flag.  Either that, or just squirt 
lighter fluid on them and barbeque hamburgers, which is the method I 
favor.

It looks like we're stuck with 50 stars and 13 stripes until all the old
flags wear out normally.  Bleah.  If we went to something a lot simpler,
like a square red flag, we'd not have all these problems.

-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  Dulcimers?!?!?!?
             
(I didn't write that.  I left my terminal unattended, and the janitor sat 
on it.)
From: thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: EN double CD
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:17:23 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: thomas@mithrandir.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


In article <1992Sep25.103706.9226@tdb.uu.se>, andersh@tdb.uu.se (Anders Holmberg) writes:
|> sherlock@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHERLOCK  JASON ARCHER) writes:
|> 
|> :     If you find that you like EN, check out "Stein" a new group featuring
|> :  F. M. Einheit from EN!!!  Sound like classical with EN samples.
|> :  
|> :  
|> : -- 
|> :                            Lupo
|> :           ****Ultimate Tactician, W.O.A.R.T. Intl., Inc,****
|> :           ***************MTV SUCKS!*************************
|> 
|> 
|> "Stein" is the album titel, it's a solo-album by Einheit.
|> A few tracks are collaborations with, for ex. D. Galas,
|> Peter Broetzman and B. Bargeld.
|> /Anders

You are both right. There is a solo album by Einheit called "Stein" and 
a new album from a group called "Stein" that includes Einheit.

Thomas
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Industrial in Movies
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:58:01 GMT

In article <2c1yRB1w164w@cellar.org>, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
|> S954161@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> >   I just happenes to be watching tv the other day and I saw a advert
|> > for a new movie with Jack Lemmon in it. It was called Glenn... something.
|> > In the background was playing the first song off of Rabies (by Skinny Puppy,
|> > no less). I think it is called Rodent, but I'm too lazy to dig out the album.
|> >  
|> 
|> Thats funny, I saw the add too, the movie is called Glenn (something, Glenn 
|> Garry, Glencross?).  I said the same thing, and *I* too was too lazy to dig 
|> out the disk, and check it out..
|> 
|> Guess it says something about the disk, since its right next to the TV, in my 
|> CD stack...
|> 
|> I take it its another thing like  F242 in K2, and The Last Boyscout, where 
|> they will have the song in the intros, but never in the film..

That's exactly what it is. I saw the movie this weekend...no Skinny Puppy
anwhere...very little music at all in fact, just a little in the background.
I don't know why they did that...it was a *very* un-Skinny Puppyish kind of
film!

jds

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: More Orb Questions/Ambient List/"Orb Clones"
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:06:14 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:

>> Someone suggested Select zine as a source for a promo Orb poster.  My
>> question is this: Which issue has it? 
>
> It's the October issue.  It has Shamen on the cover.  There are 6 promo
> posters  that should be attached to the magazine in some kind of plastic
> bag (Orb, Shamen, Carter USM, Nirvana, Spiral Tribe + 1 more). 

That's probably why people are having trouble finding it -- UK magazine issues
with bagged goodies attached (Select, Q, et al.) frequently arrive in the
States *without* said goodies.

(Would anyone in the UK be willing to pick up a copy of the issue for me and
ship it over?)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Lock the target.  Bait the line.  Spread the net.  Catch the man.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Dive et al.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:39:52 GMT
Organization: Charnel House

tahl@tfs.com (Tahl Milburn) writes:
: 
: The first Daft release (D 1001 MCD) was a CD by Esplendor Geometrico called
: "Sheijk Aljama" or something like that.  It's also available from the 
: same address.

It's called "Sheikh Aljama" and is the most recent release by EG.
I find that it resembles a cross between earlier EG (noise-based
fast rhythms) and Muslimgauze, because there's a definite Eastern
influence present.  It's a terrific release, and I don't just say
that because I'm distributing copies of it.  If anyone's interested
they can send me email for details.


  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Last Rights lyrics
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:54:36 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

    Can anybody e-mail or post the lyrics (esp. for Killing Game) for
Skinny Puppy or give me an ftp site (already tried cs.cp.edu, no dice)
where I can get these lyrics. I have loved Skinny Puppy for quite a few
years here now, and I think this is their best album to date, but since it
is so heavily layered, it's hard to hear some of the lyrics. :(

...which really doesn't matter much does it? :-)

Note: the lyrics don't have to be the *right* ones, I'm also interested in
in seeing peoples best guesses, too.

Sean LeBlanc

-The century's getting old and stale; it needs new tribes.
  -Clive Barker, In the Flesh
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mnsharp@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew Sharp)
Subject: Re: Thanks to those who suggested Skrew & Malhavoc
Followup-To: alt.flame,alt.matt.is.always.right,alt.industrial.IS.dead
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:30:48 GMT
X-Endorsment: Matthew Neill Sharp Speaks                       

In article <1992Sep29.002413.166008@watson.ibm.com> saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
>I'd just like to say thanks to those people who suggested the bands Skrew
>and Malhavoc.  Really great stuff and actually makes me think that there IS
>still something new and interesting coming out in "industrial" music.
>"The Release/Punishments".  Are either touring soon?
>
>BTW, for the uninitiated, these two bands tend to make music along the lines of
>the "new" Ministry sound prevalent in Psalm69 and maybe a little in "Mind is 
>a Terrible ...", although to some degree they're more entertaining IMHO.
>
>


BTW, for those unfamiliar with the "new" Ministry sound, it is referred to
as "speed metal", and is equally unchallenging and unentertaining.  This,
naturally, follows in the continuum of Ministry quite well, nothing
ventured, nothing gained, again, again, again.




Matthew N. Sharp
matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu     mnsharp@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: tahl@tfs.com (Tahl Milburn)
Subject: Re: Fuck this shit
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:05:43 GMT

This POPE ass writes:

>>Pleeeeez,You butt=pumper sympathizers are killing me.
>>Another clear case of heterophobic retaliation,on the part of some dormatory dome buffers
>>who want to be cool with the gay trend.
>>		THE POPE>

I've always said that the best way to change the mind of a homophobe is to 
put an exploding bullet through it.  But since yours is so small and 
therefore hard to aim for, I would make an exception.  Instead, I think a 
lead pipe applied to your face a few times (with great force of course) 
could help educate you from being a pathetic anachronism.

Have a miserable life.
From: S954161@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Industrial in Movies
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:58:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: UMSLVMA.16871E0C2.S954161
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS


  I just happenes to be watching tv the other day and I saw a advert
for a new movie with Jack Lemmon in it. It was called Glenn... something.
In the background was playing the first song off of Rabies (by Skinny Puppy,
no less). I think it is called Rodent, but I'm too lazy to dig out the album.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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