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From: rickert@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Warren Rickert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: What are these programs?
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:41:34 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

Inetd.conf lists a few programs near the end, that I don't really
know what they are....I am sure they are in the man pages, but not 
in the ones I have installed...and I dont want to install all the man pages
just to satisfy my curiosity (esp. if its man pages for an option we 
dont have)
The lines are :
sgi_snoopd/1 stream rpc/tcp wait    root    /usr/etc/rpc.snoopd     snoopd
sgi_pcsd/1  dgram   rpc/udp wait    root    /usr/etc/cvpcsd         pcsd
sgi_pod/1   stream  rpc/tcp wait    root    /usr/etc/podd           podd
E-mail would be fine, if anyone else is curious I will be happy to 
post the answer :)
Keith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: mag@minerva.inesc.pt (Manuel Gamito)
Subject: yaodl I/O routines ?
Organization: INESC, Lisboa, Portugal
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:09:25 GMT

Hello, net!

I would like to use the yaodl data format from the SGI demos like
powerflip in my own programs.

All I found about it was a man page with only a vague description of the
format. Is there a better documentation for it?

Most important,
is there any library to read/write data in yaodl format ?

Much thanks!!!

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From: felix@AHPCRC.umn.edu (Paul Felix)
Subject: Re: X programs in C++, why do they need -DFUNCPROTO ?
Organization: AHPCRC
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.073425.12442@cv.ruu.nl>, rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon) writes:
|> In <2921@contex.contex.com> avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde) writes:
|> 
|> |"I had to provide a -DFUNCPROTO option to the C++ compiler (2.11 and 3.10)
|> |"to compile a X program.
|> |"Without -DFUNCPROTO, the prototypes for XtInitialize(..), etc are not
|> |"included.
|> |"
|> |"Now, is this normal behavior, or is there some other procedure
|> |"to compile C++ X programs ?
|> |"Thanks for any help....
|> 
|> FUNCPROTO is a symbol that when defined will force the prototypes to be used.
|> 
|> Or, more correctly, that will cause the symbol NeedFunctionPrototypes to be
|> set to a value greater than zero. Normally this symbol, when not defined
|> manually, will be defined when either __STDC__, __cplusplus, c_plusplus, or
|> FUNCPROTO are defined. FUNCPROTO may be a special case in X11R5, it not only
|> needs to be defined, it also needs to be defined to a value > 0 for prototypes
|> to be used. 
|> 
|> In short, if you want to be sure that Prototypes are used, then define
|> NeedFunctionPrototypes to '1'. This should work on all systems, while
|> FUNCPROTO might not (other systems use XTFUNCPROTO, for example).
|> -- 
|> Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.
|> 
|> "I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
|>     - The Penguin (Batman ][)

I'm afraid you still have to define FUNCPROTO on the SGI. Take a look at
the top part of /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:

#ifdef FUNCPROTO
#undef NeedFunctionPrototypes
#define NeedFunctionPrototypes 1
#ifdef sgi
#undef NeedWidePrototypes
#define NeedWidePrototypes 0
#endif /* sgi */
#else
#undef NeedFunctionPrototypes
#define NeedFunctionPrototypes 0
#undef NeedWidePrototypes
#define NeedWidePrototypes 0
#endif

#ifndef NeedFunctionPrototypes
#if defined(FUNCPROTO) || defined(__STDC__) || defined(__cplusplus) || defined(c_plusplus)
#define NeedFunctionPrototypes 1
#else
#define NeedFunctionPrototypes 0
#endif /* __STDC__ */
#endif /* NeedFunctionPrototypes */

If you look at this closely, you'll see that FUNCPROTO must be defined.
But, if you use imake on the SGI with the config files in /usr/lib/X11/config,
both macros NeedFunctionPrototypes and FUNCPROTO should get set properly.

-- 

Paul
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From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Font Manager
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:57:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.184249.2962@odin.corp.sgi.com> you write:
(Diana Choi) >writes:
>> Is there a way to find out which pointsizes of a specific font are on hand?

>The IRIS Font Manager in IRIX 4.0.5 and higher can use outline fonts.  An 
>outline font can be scaled to any desired point size, so there is really no 
>list of available point sizes.  The X11R5 version of the X Window System can 
>also use outline fonts.  It lists an outline font with the point size set to 0.
>
>Ivan Bach, ib@sgi.com

Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough information.  I suppose I should 
have been more specific.  Running 4.0.1 and NOT using X, is there a way to 
find out what point sizes are available?  

diana
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From: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar)
Subject: Looking for a program to modify and paint images
Organization: IKE
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:18:55 GMT



    Hey,

    I am looking for a public domain program to modify images, for example
    like quickpaint from SGI Imagetools or a better one. We want to
    paint like a pencil in this image, change certain parts of colors
    and so on. Please mail me your informations !

    Thanks for your efforts,

         Oliver


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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: MacDump, CAP, AUFS, SGI
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:43:07 GMT

I am trying to make MacDump for my SGI PI 30TG. I get an error message
saying that /sys/timeb.h isn't found. Is there a workaround for this?
Has anyone gotten this to work for SGI? what is the most recent version?

Also, CAP is working pretty slick for us except that once we switched
to System 7.0.1 (Tuner 1.1.1) on the Mac, we can no longer delete 
folders on the AUFS volume by dropping them into the trash. We are
running cap60pl100.

any suggestions would be appreciated.

thanks,
bob


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From: mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF])
Subject: /usr/include/pwd.h problem
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:32:38 GMT

Under IRIX 4.0.4, the pwent structure defined in /usr/include/pwd.h
has a field for the user id declared as an unsigned short.  That's fine,
except the stock IRIX password file contains a uid of -2, which converts
to 65534 in the structure because of that declaration.

Is this fixed in the next release?

-- Murray S. Kucherawy ----------------------------------------+--------------
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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: 4Dwm still alive after logout
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:49:04 GMT

I have been noticing that sometimes when any user logs
out of our IRIS, their processes aren't all killed or
terminated. In all cases, the remaining process is 
always /usr/bin/X11/4Dwm. I haven't a clue as to what or
why this is happening. However, it sure slows up everything
else. Anyone experience anything similiar? How do I fix this?


-- 

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e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Subject: Re: X programs in C++, why do they need -DFUNCPROTO ?
Originator: rvloon@triton.cv.ruu.nl
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:34:25 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

In <2921@contex.contex.com> avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde) writes:

|"I had to provide a -DFUNCPROTO option to the C++ compiler (2.11 and 3.10)
|"to compile a X program.
|"Without -DFUNCPROTO, the prototypes for XtInitialize(..), etc are not
|"included.
|"
|"Now, is this normal behavior, or is there some other procedure
|"to compile C++ X programs ?
|"Thanks for any help....

FUNCPROTO is a symbol that when defined will force the prototypes to be used.

Or, more correctly, that will cause the symbol NeedFunctionPrototypes to be
set to a value greater than zero. Normally this symbol, when not defined
manually, will be defined when either __STDC__, __cplusplus, c_plusplus, or
FUNCPROTO are defined. FUNCPROTO may be a special case in X11R5, it not only
needs to be defined, it also needs to be defined to a value > 0 for prototypes
to be used. 

In short, if you want to be sure that Prototypes are used, then define
NeedFunctionPrototypes to '1'. This should work on all systems, while
FUNCPROTO might not (other systems use XTFUNCPROTO, for example).
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

"I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
    - The Penguin (Batman ][)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: merritt@climate.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John H. Merritt)
Subject: Re: 8mm and dd
Organization: Climate and Radiation Branch
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:23:32 GMT

In article <715275893@anthrax.cs.duke.edu>, jwt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Jeffrey W. Tannehill) writes:
|> 
|> 	We have an 8mm tape drive attached via a scsi cable to our SGI IRIS 4D.
|> It seems to work as expected with the SGI backup and restore utilities and 
|> with the BSD dump and restore commands.  However, whenever I try the dd
|> command to write I get:
|> 
|> > dd if=/etc/motd of=/dev/tape
Well, you were on the right track with the block size specification 
in your later examples.  In my layman's term, the "Invalid argument"
comes from the mismatch of the block size of the 'dd' statement and
the block size of the output device;  I could not produce this error
message for the variable block 8mm device.  

I have noticed that if the input file has an odd number of bytes and
you output to the variable block device,  that the entire file will
not be written; the last byte will be missing.  If, however, you use
"bs=1" you will get the desired results (for the variable block 8mm device).
I would expect "Invalid argument" when you try to write the wrong
amount of bytes for the device -- fixed block device perhaps when the
'bs' is not correct. I always see "No space left on device" when the
'bs' is too small or you are trying to read a high density tape on a
low density drive.

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From: ib@ivan.esd.sgi.com (Ivan Bach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 4.0.5 Font Manager Problems?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:24:51 GMT
Followup-To: <1992Aug26.232018.19122@news.iastate.edu>
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In <1992Aug26.232018.19122@news.iastate.edu>, boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu 
(Terran Boylan) complained that his program could not find the Times Roman
font after he upgraded his machine to IRIX 4.0.5.  The problem was that
his program was linked with an unshared version of the IRIS Font Manager
(libfm) library, i.e., he specified -lfm on a compile and link command line.
If you upgrade your system and you encounter a problem with a program that 
was linked with unshared libraries, you need to relink that program. 

You should use shared libraries, i.e., specify options such as -lfm_s,
-lgl_s, and -lc_s, on your compile and link command lines if you want your
programs to work without relinking when you install a new version of IRIX.
When a program is linked with shared libraries, it automatically gets any
changes that were made to shared libraries in a new release.  Upward binary
compatibility is maintained for shared libraries, not unshared ones.

Ivan Bach, ib@sgi.com
From: lapique@siisg1.epfl.ch (Francis Lapique)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: C++3.0
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:32:15 GMT
Organization: EPFL

>So what's really weird is if you replace the line:


>     const String B = "Hello World";
>
>with:
>
>    char* s = "Hello World";
>    const String B = s;

>It works.  Looks like a compiler bug to me.  I will forward 
>to the appropriate people.
Yes you can compile it, but you can't execute it ( core dump ).
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From: bobg@rains.wpd.sgi.com (Bob Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: What Silicon Revision of R4000 Is Shipping?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:42:04 GMT
Reply-To: bobg@rains.wpd.sgi.com (Bob Green)
Distribution: comp
Organization: sgi

In article <patt3nc@zuni.esd.sgi.com>, olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
|> In <HOLLAN.92Sep1155239@tavarua.bellcore.com> hollan@bellcore.com (Jim Hollan) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> | What silicon revision is shipping with R4000 indigo's?  As I understand
|> | it there is a bug present in silicon revisions 2.1 and 2.2 that could
|> | be a problem for us and we have a number of R4000 upgrades on order.
|> 
|> 2.2.  2.1 only shipped on early crimsons (all 2.1's should have been upgraded
|> to 2.2 long since).  2.2 does have problems, but all can be worked around
|> in the kernel (2.1 required munging up some existing programs to make
|> them work).  4.0.5 has fixes for all the known bugs but one, and 4.0.5C has
|> a fix for that.  r4k indigos have 4.0.5D, and have all known r4k bugs worked
|> around in software.

Dave really meant to say that r4k Indigos are supported by 4.0.5E.
We combined the R4K Indigo and RealityEngine support into this single
software package which was released (engineering to manufacturing)
last week.

Yes, there was once a thing called 4.0.5D but we gave it a graceful
retirement before it hit the field when 4.0.5E proved we could give
support to two diverse products with one package (4.0.5E).

Thanks,
Bob Green (SGI)
From: rose@baby.swmed.utexas.edu (Rose Oguz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: histogram normalization
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:09:28 GMT


Hi all!

Does anyone have any information on the histogram functions in Iris Explorer?
I've looked at the online user guide, but there isn't much info.  I'm looking
for something that will allow me to histogram equalize a set of MR images 
and then use the histogram to select what anatomy to display and in what
color.  It seems to me that Explorer will do that, but verification could
motivate to figure out how to do it.  Another possibility is to get a 
package that does this.  Does anyone know of one?

Thanks for any suggestions,
Rose Oguz
rose@baby.swmed.utexas.edu
From: john@sg25.aud.temple.edu (John W. Schwegler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: TN3270 for Indigo
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:11:19 GMT


In message <6104@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> ,
 Josh Rovero <rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil> writes:
> Can anyone point me to a tn3270 package that will run on an Indigo.
> We have an older version that runs on a 4d, but doesn't quite cut it
> on our new Indigos.  Thanks in advance....
> 
> -- 
> Josh Rovero   (rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil) | or Internet 5346p@cc.nps.navy.mil 
> Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
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Have you tried x3270? It compiles under IRIX 4.0.x, runs well on an Indigo
and is ftp'able from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib as x3270-1.2.tar.Z.
It even has its own font that looks like font from a 3278 terminal.

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From: jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon)
Subject: Re: 8mm and dd
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.192332.26751@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, merritt@climate.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John H. Merritt) writes:
> In article <715275893@anthrax.cs.duke.edu>, jwt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Jeffrey W. Tannehill) writes:
> |> 
> |> 	We have an 8mm tape drive attached via a scsi cable to our SGI IRIS 4D.
> |> It seems to work as expected with the SGI backup and restore utilities and 
> |> with the BSD dump and restore commands.  However, whenever I try the dd
> |> command to write I get:
> |> 
> |> > dd if=/etc/motd of=/dev/tape
> Well, you were on the right track with the block size specification 
> in your later examples.  In my layman's term, the "Invalid argument"
> comes from the mismatch of the block size of the 'dd' statement and
> the block size of the output device;  I could not produce this error
> message for the variable block 8mm device.  
> 
> I have noticed that if the input file has an odd number of bytes and
> you output to the variable block device,  that the entire file will
> not be written; the last byte will be missing.  If, however, you use
> "bs=1" you will get the desired results (for the variable block 8mm device).
> I would expect "Invalid argument" when you try to write the wrong
> amount of bytes for the device -- fixed block device perhaps when the
> 'bs' is not correct. I always see "No space left on device" when the
> 'bs' is too small or you are trying to read a high density tape on a
> low density drive.

"No space left on device" also occurs when you get to end of data on
the tape, which is what the previous poster is doing.  When using the
fixed blocksize device, you must give a blocksize arg to dd that
is a multiple of that blocksize.  You must also successfully write
something before you can read anything from a tape.

jeremy

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: jsw@microunity.com (Jeff Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Installation overwrites inittab - why?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.132413.11453@biome.bio.ns.ca>, silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert) writes:
> After upgrading to IRIX 4.0.5 I discovered that the installation
> overwrote /etc/inittab, thereby turning off our dialin ports.
> I ran into this while working through the changed versions, but I can't
> see any justification for this, since none of the other lines are
> changed.  I suggest that an inittab.N file be installed rather than
> replacing inittab as a default.  Does anybody see any logic to the
> current practice?

  The reason that inittab is updated(and the old copy moved to inittab.O) is
that if you are upgrading from a 3.3 or earlier system to a 4.0.x system
you need a new inittab.  If the old 3.3 inittab is left in place your system
will not come up correctly.  Unfortunately there is no way to indicate
to the installation software that a file should be updated or not based on
the software release number of the old release.

	--Jeff

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Any opinions expressed above are mine.
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Logical Volume size problems?
Keywords: mklv sizeof(ulong)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:29 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <acas.715485837@godzilla.cgl.citri.edu.au> acas@cgl.citri.edu.au (Andrew Cassin) writes:
| Does anyone know if there problems with mixing SCSI drive sizes in a logical
| volume or if there is a limit (ie. triggers some "bugs" ;-) associated with
| logical volumes on IRIX 4 systems.
| 
| Basically, we have a 340 and we have a logical volume which consists of 3
| 780M SCSI drives. We wish to add a fourth SCSI disk to the lv which is 1.2Gb,
| but I am unsure whether this will make the lv too large for IRIX to *SAFELY*
| handle. We currently are using 4.0.1, but have 4.0.5A if this would be better.

I'm not at all clear on just what you are asking, but the particular
configuration you cite will work in IRIX 3.3 and later with no problem.
This would have to be a concatenated, not striped lv, of course, or if you
want it to be a striped lv, you will have to use part of the 1.2 Gb
drive for something else (and of course the lv must be rebuilt from
scratch when adding another drive to a striped lv).

The maximum size of a filesystem (lv or otherwise) is still 8 Gb).
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    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Using a Sun CD on SGI
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:19:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug29.231911.6341
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

OK, so I'm 12 kinds of idiot.  Was there a thread discussing the use
of a Sun cdrom drive to install Irix across a network connection/NFS?
Could someone point me in the right direction to resolve this?


Thanks much


-- carl

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
From: avi@golem.apple.com (Avi Weiss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Pretty Printing on SGI's
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:40:20 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Does anyone know of any "pretty printing" filters or programs
(i.e. vgrind) that *do not* require nroff, troff, etc?

- Avi 

--------------------
Avi Weiss 

email: (avi@apple.com)
phone: (408) 974-0582

Of course I don't speak for Apple...they don't pay me enough to do so. 
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