From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: REPEAL   THE  CONSTITUTION
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:07:17 GMT
Reply-To: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Many netters has expressed their opinions on Ahmadies belief and 
 I am not going to take the jewel out of Mubarak, Irfan, and  Jafry.  
I 'm reading opinions from both the sides and purposefully not going 
to give my impression about the two beliefs. Its good to observe things 
on scp rather than involve in it and scp is sure a place where a reader 
can have a real good time.  Most recently I read two articles posted
by Munawar.   His articles really forced me to write something of 
general interest to scpian's. Before going into the gory details of any 
serious matter I like to say one thing and its in favour of Ahmadies 
that its the socio-economic  condition of the society or the group which 
basically governs the present as  well as its future. An indian netter 
has well said that may be in future when Ahmadies will be in the 
driving seat the muslim ummah will recognise them as a true muslim,  
like others.  But to observe this thing in a close  loop than its easy to say 
that only one of us are on the right path and who is right is going to be 
decided by the lord of all lords.  If beliefs are the only thing than I feel 
no shame in saying that all the Ismailies are also non-muslim but in 
Pakistan or in anyother country they are not  because of their socio-
economic impact on the society.  It worth a lot if you are a master or 
a slave.  Prince Kareem Aga Khan is infact a master and thats why 
all mullah's are sleeping sound and  Pakistanis are flattened out by 
his majesty.

As my subject says repeal the constitution .....there are three reasons
for it    1)  Ahmadies are neglected in this constitution and  constitution
is for the country which has Christians, Hindus, Budhists, Parsis, and
several factions of muslims.  2)  Religion is the free will of any person
and no person on earth has a right to call another person a hindu or 
kafir or a non-muslim. My third and final reason will come at the 
end of this post.

Jafry, Jamal and Irfan I'm banging a lot on you for my second argument
and please don't let me down here.  I hope you know the reason why I 
am saying this but for my other friends I can explain it .  The reason 
why Islam has prohibited to call any person a kafir or by any bad word 
is that we don't know when he /she will accept Islam and allah forgive 
all his/her sins and give that soul his mercy.

I am not concerned what Ahmadies have in their magic box or what 
their guru's have had in the past.  I am concerned with the likelyhood
of Pakistan and Munawar has narrated the declining  situation of 
Pakistan with a very different approach and I 'm thinking where I 
was all these years if the matter is that simple.  According to Munawar
the dismal position of Pakistan is because we Pakistanis have  mistreated
the people of Ahmadies faction.  He was very elaborative and went on 
that long to say that the sad demise of Zulfiqar ali Bhutto is because of 
this reason and the then assembly was dissolved because of declaring
Ahmadies a non-muslim.  In his posting he mentioned that the assembly
was dissolved three years after because allah intends to destroy sinners.
My question is that why allah took so long to destroy? Is it because his
schedule was real tight, is it because there were some pious people also
in that assembly (which hardly was the case), or is it because there was 
a delay in justice but not denied. Pakistan is reeling on her knees from 
that long for this soul reason, come on.  We are suffering from our own
desease and that is nepotism, we are suffering because of our social
infra structure, our economy. Where the religion comes in our daily
stupidities. Lets suppose that we are all disobedients to almighty allah
than how come we are getting  rains instead of flood,  food instead of
drought, and our lands are cultivated instead of being barren.  No my
dear you are certainly wrong and wrong in a sense that you are 
denying the grace of almighty and the gifts of the most benevolent and
merciful power.  "Aur tum apne rab kee kaun kaun see naimatooN ko
jhutlaoo gai".  Claiming that, if that parliment report publishes or
released half of the Pakistan would have been Ahmadie.  My innocent 
fellow that was ZAB , the then political jargon, master of all the swindlers 
of that political era.

You further went on to combine the lose ties that Gen. Zia has abrogated
the 1971 constitution because it was unislamic. Here I 'm lost now you
are saying that it was unislamic but what about the public who supported
that constitution.  I think so you are playing games here,  tit  for tat.  Gen.
Zia has not annuled that constitution in totality. what he did was just few
breath taking amendaments and those amendaments are still hanging
around like a naked sword on all the national assembly members.  Do 
you think that this constitution is Islamic with its biasedness toward
miniorities like Ahmadies. Sure it is not, but constitution has nothing to 
do with religion. People who  practiced it that way were wrong. If you 
really have a grudge against any thing then it should have to be shariat-
e-Mohammadi. Which really hit hard on all those who try to make 
changes in the basic structure of Islam.  Mind it I have covered every
muslim in it and if you claim your self as a muslim then you are also
subjectable to it.  There is no other shariat than Shariat-e-Mohammadi.
By the way Munawar what is your opinion about Gen. Zia.  He ruled 
over eleven years with full command and then suddenly got killed.
Most of the sources claim that it was a CIA action but please tell me,
may be you have some good one. I really want to open my eyes and if
you enlighten me a little I'll be glad to see this world with a different 
view point.
One last comment about your second posting that why the prize money
was so small (just 10,000 rupees) for such a courageous act.  It should
have to be in zillions as it would decide the future of all Ahmadies. Just
suppose that if anyone will come up, and its not difficult,  what will you
say and what will be the standing of your Mausoof ( sorry dude, its my
belief not to call any one Hazart other than Hazarat Mohammad 
(MPBUH), his companions, prophets, Sahabies, awlias) as he claimed 
that it was/is the best written book in Arabic. ? Please note that Quran 
is the best written book in this universe which addresses every human 
being from Adam to the last budy on this face of earth and its written in  
Sanskrit.
   
My last sincere advice to you is that don't get excited when putting
2+2 together, you may be right and may be wrong. May be you are
a muslim but I  wish to be called as muslim till my last breath. I'm
not reading Ahmadies article with a feeling that they are wrong but
with a view that if they have something good and so far I 'm beating my
head on this computer screen.  I'm not naive to this situation and
trying my best to capsulate everything in a political way because its
my gut feeling that its nothing but politics and to all my scpian's I will
quote my favourite shey'r that

                       Samajh  Samajh  kai  Samajh  ko  Samajhoo
                       Samajh  Samajh na bhi  ik  Samajh  hai
                       Samajh  Samajh  kai  jo na  Samajhai
                       Meri  Samajh   mai  wo  na Samajh  hai

Now my third and final reason , why repeal the constitution?

Put  Qadianies in a new Constitution with all other miniorities and 
hope that  Pakistan will flourish if this is the prerequisite of it .   
                 
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