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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: My Two Cents Worth
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:16:54 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
: In article <1amut0INN8cd@uwm.edu>, bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:

: |> Eight planes instead of 6/4/2(ecs), out of 25 bits of color data rather than
: |> 13.  I'd say it's a BIG improvement.
: 
: Weeeeeellll... maybe. I've always been a fan of the "get-the-rez-you-can-dither
: -the-colors" mentality. I still render in 16-color HiRes rather than HAM Med-
: Res.

Why not in superhires interlaced HAM8?

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: a4000
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.4477.30478@dosgate> "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
>
>I have a lot of friends who
>happily chug along with their Commi 64s and their Apple II computers.
>The only reason they don't upgrade is because of all the software they
>have. They would do it in an instant if they could run their old
>programs on a new computer. 

   I've owned two different Amigas and will soon get a third. My very first
computer was a C128. I looked at the C64 emulators for the Amiga and laughed.
That explains why I still have a C128 right next to my Amiga.
   What a concept: "Keep your old computer". Wow! 

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: To all Amigans!!! And NATO !!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:37:27 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

d89-sla@hemul.nada.kth.se (Stefan E Larsson) writes:

>Well, at least we have never let anyone occupy our country. 
>You Norwegians have been overrun by the Danes, the Swedes and then
>the Germans! 

  Jeez!  And I thought that New Yorker's were persecuted!

>Pathetic.   

  Actually, no.  It's refreshing to see some bashing of countries other than
the US by Europeans... ;-)

  -jack-

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:29:16 GMT

>According to a german friend of mine and some german Amiga-magazine
>there will be an A1200 with -020, AGA, and a harddrive before 
>christmas (that's christmas 1992 for all you pessimists out there...)
>for about half the price of an A4000.

	Is this Commodores idea of a joke.  An 020 system selling for $1850
   with no monitor.  I thought this was supposed to be Commodores low end,
   low priced AGA system.

							G.Greene

>
>Stefan Gimeson               (e91sg@efd.lth.se)
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1am4rcINN6s1@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
> Eek.  A 68000 processor-slot on an 030 system.
> 
> Well, I've lost count.  First, there was the selection of the
> processor direct slot itself rather than a true expansion bus.  Next
> came the decision to stick everything on the same bus, losing quite a
> bit of speed for the 68030 in the process.  And now this.  Guess I'll
> be keeping a list...
> 
> Anything else?

Well, you run the risk that you are reacting to or relying on misinformatin
to make your points.  These detail may be correct, or they may be someones
instant answers or whishful thinking.
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:19:11 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <mac1.717561183@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
> e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
> 
> >In article <0ekpbzq00WBL44RlR1@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
> 
> >>Put in 16 bit stereo on the low end and add DSP on the high end.  If
> >>thats the lowest common denominator, the quality of life (and MUSIC)
> >>will improve.
> >>Make your machine the REAL TIME machine: R/T Video, R/T audio.  (Yes,
> >>even games will improve).
> >>
> 
> >Just wait until chistmas and you'll have it all...
> 
> >/Stefan
> >===============================================================================
> 
> 
>  Hi Stefan,
> 	   will you eat a floppy disk if we don't ?   :) :) :)
> 
> 
>  Mubashir.

I've obviously missed something.  Has eating floppy disks become a
favorite pastime around here?  :)
 
Glenn Doiron
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WOC Videotapes at FAUG
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 92 23:19:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <BvK7s8.Ey3@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>
mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:

|  I'll be showing my videotapes of the Pasadena WOC at the next meeting of
|  the First Amiga Users Group next Tuesday, October 5, at 7:30. It is held
|  at HT Electronics, 275 N. Mathilda Ave, Sunnyvale.

Why should we have to wait a year, Mike?  The nearest ``Tuesday, October 5''
will be in 1993.  :-)

There WILL be a FAUG meeting Tuesday, October 6, 1992 at HT Electronics; hope
to see y'all there.
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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:18:28 GMT

matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:

>In article <1aar7nINNd2m@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>>:  When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
>>: as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
>>: on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
>>: slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       

>If you're using compilers/assemblers then fork out some more and get a Hard
>Drive, really, anyone who uses a floppy system for 'Productivity' work is
>a fool.

 Why is it that I always have to point out what the original context
was about? Assemblers and compilers are good measures of CPU 
performance, and I felt I had to include the floppy disk access part
since it is (was?) slow on the Amiga.

 I used to do some programming on the ST/Amiga back in the 80s, and
there was no way I could afford a hard disk. The problem with the
Amiga may have been the slow response to "file open" commands, not
the transfer rate.

 Today I've got my boring PC clone, but at least there are customers who
are willing to pay for the work I do for that platform.

 Anders Skelander
From: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Subject: toaster for falcon?
Reply-To: "calvin bruner" <calvin.bruner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:19:06 EST

PB> for New-Tek to ignore, and is graphically superior than the
PB> Amiga. He thinks that he can convert me in to an Atari user.
PB> Although the Falcon is a pretty good computer....

Well, I'm currently an Atari user and have been watching the
developments in both the Amiga and Atari markets with interest.  From
anything I've seen/read, the Atari Falcon will not be a difficult
platform for New-Tek or others to utilise.  However, the Falcon is
not what I would consider as graphically superior to an Amiga.

By the way, can someone provide me a short summary of the features of
the AGA chip set?!
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.142315.1308@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.182632.9432@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>
>>The SoundBlaster, as well as the newer sound cards, have digital channels
>>as well as FM channels.  Yes, they can play your exalted MODs just fine.
>>

[Jim Martin's anecdote]

>Well, I HAVE heard MODs on a Soundblaster on a 486DX/33 and it was quite
>pathetic...it couldn't even display the waveforms w/o distorting the music.
>Even when it was doing NO displaying the music still had a very static-like
>quality compared to the same mod on my amiga.  NOW on the other hand I heard
>the same MODs on another friends 386 w/ a Pro-Audio Spectrum 16 board and
>this sounded EXACTLY like the mods do on my amiga.....

You know, I really don't think the MOD would sound any different on a
486, 386, 286, etc.....  

Personally, I have had NO problems playing MODs!  Yay!  The sure sound JUST FINE.

Oh, I did have a problem once playing a 700K MOD (Yeah, HUGE) - not enough
memory frm DOS. :(.  Jerry, do you know of any OS/2 2.0 MOD-players??

>Jim Martin
>                       MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:45:17 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct2.152549.1342@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
> In article <david.02xz@ariane.cam.org>, david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
> >   Another sad thing to note here; there's no flickerFixer in the A4000, so
> >even  if  you  activate  the  Mode  Promotion in IControl preferences, some
> >programs  will  force  15khz displays (the most "notorious" was DeluxePaint
> >IV).   Also,  for  the same reasons, to obtain a "flickerfixed" screen, you
> 
> WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> NO FLICKER FIXER!!!!!
> 
> WHY!!!!!
> 
> I finally thought it was settled by the 3000's release that the amber
> chip was gonna be a permenant family resident (or at least her children)
> 
> WHY take it out???? yet another cost cut??  Please someone tell me that Dave
> here is wrong....please...please....

The flicker fixer is an expensive band-aid to address a problem with
the basic Amiga system - limited memory bandwidth.  Given that AGA
provides 4 times the memory bandwidth, there is no reason why everyone
should be forced to pay for the band-aid.

If you really want a display enhancer type thingie, the video slot is ready
and waiting.

> "was" questing for an A4000....may settle for the 3000 though now.

Think about it...
From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:29:13 GMT
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In article <doiron.0evn@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.114200.28585@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep25.185157.12184@lth.se>, e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) 
>> writes:
>> >In article <9226916.974@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:
>> >>I am struggling compsci student and are looking for generous rich people
>> >>to send me money to buy an A4000. I would like one because I can play lots
>> >>of really good games on it, and then I can say "I own an A4000"!
>> >
>> >Yeah, that goes for me too. So all you rich people, start sending me money!!!
>> >
>> >/Stefan (VERY,VERY,VERY poor student...)
>> >
>> 
>> Hey! What about me? I'm freezing to death up here in the northern Norway.
>> Don't you feel sorry for me.
>> 
>> /Espen (EVEN POORER student)
>
>Hey, what about me?  It's getting kind of chilly here in New England, and
>I'm so poort that I'm not even a student!  :)
> 
>Glenn Doiron

How about me, who have to suffer in this San Diego weather of 80 degrees, 
clear blue skies, living in La Jolla! I'm suffering here!  School is a pain, 
and life without an Amiga is worse! Will someone take pity on me and send me 
money?  Is there no kind soul out there to releave me of this burden and have 
mercy on me?

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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:39:49 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>Not.  Cycles aren't "imaginary", pal.  If one system is taking some,
>then the other system is losing something that it could have all of.
>Are you trying to say that a 68030 couldn't go faster with full access
>to ram rather than every other access?

 It would almost be like saying that no DSP at all is better than
having one.

 Anders Skelander

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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:02:55 GMT

David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep28.045210.9504@disk.uucp> sparks@disk.uucp (John Sparks) writes:
: >
: >There are many PC motherboards that are upgradable, meaning you can
: >go from 386SX all the way to 486DX on the same motherboard.
: 
: WOW!!! Incredible!  Do you mean to say you get to use the old 100ns 16-bit
: ram with no cache on your 386SX motherboard with your new 486DX?

Yes.  Since upgradable systems have the processor, processor cache and
other support chips on one card, upgrading your 386SX to a 486DX does
help a lot.  Also a 486 system can probably use 100ns no problem.

Of course you poor ignorant Amiga bastards (and I mean that in a nice way
:-) still don't get it that there is no such thing as 16-bit RAM on a
80x86 based PC.  The only disadvantage to 100ns RAM is its speed.  I
would never buy 100ns memory myself.  I have always bought at least 80ns
memory, which is sufficient for most cached systems.  A 486/33 or greater
might perform better with 60ns RAM, but probably not much.

: 
: I just can't believe it could be that good - I'll have to rush out and buy
: a PC right away!!

I'm glad you fell that way.  Actually I would suggest buying a 486SX
system.  It has a 32-bit bus like the 386DX and 486DX and is probably a
good bargain system.  Try to get one with an upgradable CPU or maybe just
an Intel Overdrive socket.  These provide the best upgrade path when you
can afford more power.

: >The ones
: >my company reps should also be able to use the new 586 with an adapter.
: 
: The same 386SX motherboard?  Using a 586 (P5)?  With an adaptor you say?
: Just think of the performance!  Unbelievable...

On a 386SX?  The performance wouldn't be that great.  Both the memory and
peripheral bus are 16-bit.  It would be best to start with a x86DX type
system.  Of course the 386SX->P5 upgrade would be possible.

: >The problem with CBM's method of upgrading is that if you just want to
: >upgrade the graphics, you have to buy an entire new machine (kinda
: >like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, eh?)
: 
: Not if you've got an A4000 - you change the motherboard, but you get to
: keep your CPU ('040s are worth $$$) and your SCSI-II board.

What if you don't own a A4000.  On x86 PCs the video has been upgradable
for a long time.  Now the processors can be safely upgraded as well.

: David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
:  - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
:  - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?

No.
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From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Sep 21 1992
Date: 30 Sep 92  09:30:02

> Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
> From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
> Message-ID: 1aar25INNd2m@uwm.edu
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> You mean because if they're going to make the games use the OS
> anyways, AGA support will be near-brainless.  ;)

They've got their work cut out for them, then.  :D!

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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:32:07 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

> [stuff deleted]
>
>In case this seems harsh, the utility of the DSP isn't just being there,
>it's what it can do and how well it is supported by the software.  The
>extra RAM is nice, but doesn't really change this.

 At least it is there from the beginning in the Falcon, which means
that developers know that all Falcon user have it, which in turn means
we may have good DSP support in new software.

 Anders Skelander

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From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:23:32 GMT

In article <1a0969INN2je@werple.apana.org.au> khazan@werple.apana.org.au (Jarrod Abbott) writes:
>rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>>In article <1992Sep21.161119.12393@ugle.unit.no>, eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>>Face facts , the falcon is a nice machine, who of you out there really beleive
>>they would not find that DSP Chip very handy indeed?  Keeping in mind that the
>>old STE stereo sound system is still there, imagine the demos, games and <GASP>
>>applications you could write with 68030, Blitter and a "dinky little" 16 MIPS
>>DSP chip to lend a little assistance.  The A4000 is very nice also but is in a
>>different market to the falcon, Commodore have not got a machine to compete
>>with the falcon at the price.  
>>Lets at least be honest about advocacy, 68030, Blitter, DSP, ++Super VGA Modes,
>>Multi Tasking OS, upto 14Meg on Board, with Hard drive for US1400 is not a bad
>>machine, especailly from a company that has been "on it's last legs" for years
>>now.
>
>Ok, I won't argue, if it is released with that configuration, at a
>reasonable price I would probably buy it, but if and only if someone ported
>a good version of bsd to it.

Certainly not out of the question, a full BSD source license only costs
around $1000 now, and 68030 support (HP workstations) is already in the
kernel. The only work that would require any deep thought would be how to
add system calls or ioctls to BSD to make use of the custom hardware.
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From: stud11@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Lode Vande Sande)
Distribution: world
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 20:01:43 +01
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Subject: A4000+DOMINO
Keywords: What's the best graphics output ?


        Ok, I've got some questions, which may already have been asked
here, but I didn't get the answers to them, so ...

        First of all, could someone please tell me what the video-modes
of the A4000 are ?  I would like some A(G)A specs or a list with all
modes and whether or not they flicker when displayed on a NORMAL monitor
(1960?), what horizontal and vertical frequenties are used (full frame
refresh rates) ...

        Another thing I would like to know is whether or not the DOMINO
board from X-Pert works with an A4000.  What does the DOMINO board offer ?
Will it's 72Hz flicker-fixer (or how should I call that), also fix the
new AA modes ?  How much does it cost ?  Do you need a special monitor ?

        Please supply only facts, no rumors or lies ...

                                                      Thanks in advance,

                                                      Kurt Haenen ...

Please reply by EMAIL and state that it is for Kurt Haenen !

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:09:37 GMT

In article <3883@faatcrl.UUCP>, jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
|> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
|> 
|> >So, what's the difference between these incredibly wonderful, new age, genius
|> >idea slots and our 6-year-old A2000 technology???
|> 
|>   The OverDrive socket in a PeeCee and the CPU slot in an Amiga are two 
|> entirely different beasts.
|> 
|>   OverDrive gives you a new cpu chip that has an internally doubled clock,
|> you don't get a faster memory bus and possibly a faster SCSI interface like
|> the Amiga cpu boards give you.

OHHHH, now I get it! Not only is it an old idea to us, the PC slot isn't even
as GOOD! It's all so clear now....

8)

(Hell, the Amiga accelerator even sped up my FLOPPIES!  8)  )

|>   -jack-

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From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Utilities Unlimited vs NewTek's cottage industry paradigm
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:33:31 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>me use OS/2 as an example, since it is now my favorite operating
>system (as a user)...

  [stuff deleted, don't you know]

>take the software project I am working on, with GNU Emacs and a
>command shell window and hide it so I can go do some modeming
>without having those windows around to clutter up the screen.

That's why God invented multiple screens.  
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