HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:28:30 GMT
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Apr9.021610.9034@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.152355.7219@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>I think the most disappointing thing about this episode was
>>learning that Derek Jacobi played Turing as the stuttering
>>Claudius in "I, Claudius".
>
>Not having seen I, CLAUDIUS, I'm not sure what to make of this comment
>except that it seems rather underhanded and snide.  Care to elaborate?

HAD you watched "I, Claudius" you would have learned that Claudius was
about the only normal character in the entire series.  (It sounds like
Steve hasn't watched it all either.)  While the rest of Rome was sleeping
about and plotting the death of everyone else, Claudius was busily acting
like quite a dunce.  Dumb like a fox would be a perfect way to describe
Claudius.  He acted like an idiot, and thus saved his own life ...
-- 
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From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Short Schrift (was Re: Heinlein and sexism)
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:54:44 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
| At any rate, what other wonderful phrases are lurking about
| in the general vein of "not all it should be?"

My favorite (though America-centric) is "a few fries short
of a Happy Meal(tm)". Similar, but not quite the same,
are those people who go through life with their turn
signals left on.

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: UK General Election (2)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:05:50 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, Peel House, Ladywell, Livingston EH54 6AG, UK

I said:

> At present there is just one MP who is an out gay man: Chris
> Smith, MP for South Islington in London.  He will certainly
> be reelected.  

Mistake.  Someone from Islington mails me to say that Chris
Smith has a majority of only about 600, which makes his seat
quite marginal.  He will probably be elected, but it's far
from certain. 

I forgot to say that he's Labour, btw.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:10:35 GMT

Just came back from some lunchtime shopping.  Stopped into
Crate&Barrel just in time to hear Ella launch into "Moonlight
In Vermont".  I sang along shamelessly (as did most of the
queer (male) staff :-)).  The hardware store (Fox, on 4th
Street) was playing Elton John -- I hummed this time, in the
Plumbing Dept. (despite my renunciation of butchness last week,
I'm endeavoring to replace the flush mechanism in the guest
loo, and needed a "flexible tank supply, 1 each" (anyone know
the difference between "Comp" and "IP"???))
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.170918.18218@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>
>On the one hand, it seems appealing to organize a lesbigay event
>around a city's Pride events.  Please consider, though, that
>this will require asking many possible attendees to miss the
>Pride March in their own cities.  For some this may not be
>an issue at all, but I think it is worth factoring in to
>a proposal.

Dearest, this is *THE* *NEW* *YORK* *CITY* *PRIDE* *PARADE*, and there's
nothing that quite compares as those who saw me skipping down 5th avenue
in my red bikini briefs pushing the radical faeries shopping cart can
attest.

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Violence against us.
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:19:31 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
 >Thanks, Donn.  But right now I remember one of the times I've been
 >angriest in the last few years, the only time I can recall where I
 >felt like doing a wee bit of bashing on another queer my ownself.
[story of STella's physical defense of bashee and interruption of
bashing deleted]
 >the kid says the thing that put me closer to initiating force than
 >I've been in years... "I'm really sorry you lowered yourself to their
 >level."

One of the first articles I recall by Clay Bond (I already had a
sense of Clay from other articles, but this is one of the first that
I can recall clearly enough to describe it) was about how he came to
the physical defense of a couple of unbutch (that's litotes) guys
in a bar, and was thanked more or less the way STella was.  Again,
not until it was all over.

I am not trying to find any moral in this.

 >But I wasn't volunteering for a brawl to save one weedy little
 >pacifist, but to keep bashing from being seen as acceptable, so I
 >guess it was more OK than not....

Yup.  The fact that the kid was wrong doesn't mean that the
attackers were right.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:47:30 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs


In article <1992Apr13.194249.9693@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas) writes:

>   I have heard that garlic ice cream is one of the attractions of the
>Gilroy Garlic Festival. I would assume they have all of the standard
>variants (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry (?)).
 
Unfortunately my experience with the festival has been that other than
an opportunity to get a nice t-shirt, it's basically a rip-off.
First, the garlic ice cream is just standard soft-serve vanilla with
-- get this -- not even fresh garlic, but garlic *powder* on it.  Yuck!
 
Other than that, you pay your admission to stand around in an overly
hot field full of the exact same craft booths that make the rounds of
all the county fairs and other fairs.  There are a lot of food stands
serving foods with garlic in them, but it's all the kind of food-stand
food that would have garlic in it anyway.

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From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Elizabeth Lynn (was Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:11:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr09.200508.9920@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>,
    pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> I may have missed some of the discussion, but has anyone mentioned
> Elizabeth Lynn?  She is great at smoothly integrating her character's
> sexuality into the story, without sexuality being an issue.

As far as I can remember no one has mentioned her yet (save
you).  I like her work.  I wish there was more of it.  My
favorite books of hers are _The Northern Girl_ and _The
Sardonyx Net_.

I really like all of the Chronicles of Tornor (_Watchtower_,
_The Dancers of Arun_, and _The Northern Girl_) but in my
opinion the characters are better fleshed out in the last
book.  "Arun", by the way, was the nodename of our
VAXstation during Linda's and my short history as proud
owners of an underpowered boat-anchor.

I feel like her male characters in _Watchtower_ and _A
Different Light_ weren't quite right.  Somewhere later she
learned how to write convincing (to me) male characters.

I also recommend her short story collection _The Woman Who
Loved the Moon and other stories_.

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: LOTUS Domestic Partnership Benefits
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:45:18 GMT

jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen) writes:

>I would be very grateful if someone out in netland could mail to me
>any mail, postings, articles you may have stashed away regarding the
>domestic partnership benefits program at LOTUS corporation.
You could:

1) Join the Domestic Partnerships list at domestic-request@tattoo.asd.sgi.com
and
2) Check out /pub/QRD/qrd/dp at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu, anonymous ftp.

-- 
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"She slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." :_Bette_ on Joan Crawford
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Born Again Virgin (Re: Pride Parades)
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:25:08 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Apr14.201701.9785@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>
>Anybody got any bones?

Well, yes.  But none so large as *yours*.

--
                 David R. Preston      drp@dosbears.uucp
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:10:36 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr8.125828.16558@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph
Francis) writes:

>To me, in comparison with Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Rome, San
>Francisco, Dallas, Boston, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Los Angeles,
>Sydney, Melbourne, Toronto, Hong Kong, Singapore, and even Jeddah, New
>York is about as fascinating as an old scab.

It *is* an old scab. Incidentally, a city you might want to add to
the list is Montreal. I'm quite taken with it, and it has a lot to
offer the gay visitor, especially if you like erotic dancers (it's a
little hard to find a bar around here where they don't wag the weenie
at you, I sometimes think.)

On the other hand, why you like the Big Orange better than Chicago I'm
not sure. Parts of La La Land would be just fine if only the rest of
it would disappear.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: bchambln@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brad Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Landers followup
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:48:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

well, I was wondering about ann landers column...when will she post the results?
does anyone know???

also reguarding the "Lost Language of the Cranes" by David Leavitt
I read the book and was really interesting...I'm glad that it's going to be
made into a movie...hope pat macnamera will be starring in it!

bchambln
umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
iowa city, iowa....the "liberal" campus 


Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 19:04:25 -0400 
From: Robert Bates <rb5d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: postcard mutilations?

>My housemate Andy recently got back from the post office a mutilated
>shred of the "yes I'm glad to be gay" postcard he sent to Ann Landers.
>The post office says it was accidentally damaged in transit.  We suspect
>that it was homophobic vandalism.  Has anyone else had a similar
>experience?
>
>-- Chris (black@sybase.com)

I have received postcards (with no MOTSS relevance) delivered to me
torn in half or otherwise damaged.  Usually, there is a stamp (in
traditional post office purple) that says something to the effect of
"Sorry this item was damaged in transit."  The most recent one was
from my father when he was on vacation in California.  The card was
torn in half and then taped up.  The people at the post office say that
occasionally post cards get caught in the sorting equipment and torn.
They were not ablt to explain why it happened to post cards more often
than to letters.


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From: tomb@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:07:43 GMT

>Are you implying that you were able, but didn't continue to do so? Why
>would you stop? It's limbering, saves cleanup time, keeps one in practice,
>and it's great fun too. 

From personal experience, I didn't really realize that it was possible 
until my HS gym coach had us do the ol' upside down bicycle peddling 
exercise and then drop our legs over our heads and sort-of roll out.
Needless to say, I couldn't wait til after school to try out my theory...

Also from personal experience, I can say that those extra pounds, years, 
and bad back are good reasons for me not to do this all the time.  If I
was probably 30-40# lighter, this would be somewhat of a breeze.  Like it
is right now, I don't much want to have to call a friend or 911 for help
after getting stuck in that position!


-- 
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Tandon Corporation          1:102/1006.6@fidonet.org           fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer      "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: The name claim to fame game
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:58:41 GMT

emcmanus@gr.osf.org ('Eamonn Mac M'aghnuis) writes:

>I have a suspicion that there are more than a few motssers who can
>pull pronunciation skeletons out of their otherwise unused closets.
>,       ,           ,
>Eamonn Padraig Mac Maghnuis

ok, so maybe you win the unpronounceable award, but how many people
out there know that they are the only ones with their name? my great
grandfather made up hennahane, and the only ones left with it are my
father, my brother, my unmarried sister and myself. (i think it comes
from hennigan mixed up with the hanrahan or calahan. something about a
bunch of -hans or something...)

--mike
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:04:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr13.210407.3450
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <jgimkqo@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>4. Futter Mein Ego - Einsturzende Neubauten

Oh, but Halber Mensch is so much better! (memories of Nelson's first
time having sex.. sigh.)

I periodically amuse myself trying to lip sync things that aren't
really any language: Cocteau Twins, Diamanda Galas when she's
screaming.

I never vocalize. To do so is rude.
-- 
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nelson@reed.edu \/                   There is absolutely no other possibility
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:50:18 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr9.154945.3136@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.145958.6131@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>Jess Anderson		A complex flavor, hard to pin down. Thyme,
>>>			tarragon, a little mustard, a pinch of
>>>			cayenne, cinnamon (or maybe nutmeg?).
>>Don't forget the vanilla!

>I thought that was part of _my_ recipe!  In your case,

I said to myself, as I wrote that: we'll hear from the Ursus
vanilliaribus directly.  And so it came to pass, Lo!

>I think Robert forgot the confectioners sugar.

Sugar, I'm sweet as in *fruit*!  And more like lingonberries
than mangoes (reminding me the slut, er, splutterers are not
much in evidence lately, on either side of the Pond).

Now as to *your* main flavor, what would it be?  Not alum,
Shirley.  Not creme tartare.  (Runs to the kitchen.)  Ah, here
it is: ground ginger (more ground than ginger, I'd wager),
with a dash of Angostura.  (My god, did you know bitters is
90 proof?)

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:07:15 GMT

> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>Ya sure, ya betcha, Arne.  Would ya be bringin' some ludefisk to the
>con, now would ya?  Ack, but the winds are good and the fishes be runnin'.
>(believe it or not, but this could be an actual conversation in Ballard, Wa)

Reads more like Petula Clark's "Irish" accent sounded
in "Finian's Rainbow"... :-)
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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: a lament
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:40:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92104.144012IO81409
Organization: University of Maine System

that was a beautiful piece.  if i attribute it to you,
can i reprint it?
                                 -ailsa
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Summary: household computers
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:04:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr6.202524.22004@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
writes:

> As for the household word, I'm no sf maven.  Mixer?  Blender?
> Chopper?  Spoon?  Lamp?  Staircase?

> Mara [bewildered]

Well, I have been tempted to invent an ideal world in which all households
had Burroughs' computers, but I doubt I can force that to meet the case...

As to Heinlein, much of what he wrote could be liberating to someone coming
young out of a background such as H. himself had a love/hate relationship
with (contrast his Jubal Harshaw acidity about the Bible belt with the
treacly nostalgia trip about turn-of-the-century Missouri in later works.)
Hell, I also liked Swope Park -- but I left KC too early to have ever made
out there -- I mostly liked the zoo, like H.'s little Woody.  Heinlein KNEW
that this background was filled with narrow & bigotted people, and he firmly
rejected that (the liberating component of his opinions) -- but he never
came to any substitute except the simple inversion of a few of the main
precepts of the bigots.  Everything else, including his notion of what made
someone "worth" something was shaped by that background and never took a
critical look at its own prejudices.  It's just Missouri middle-class with
the overt bigotry edited out.


-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Book Review
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:30:17 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <rq2guINN343@agate.berkeley.edu>, gnn@mastodon.CS.Berkeley.EDU
    (George Neville-Neil) writes reviewing:
> _What I Love About Lesbian Politics Is Arguing with People I Agree
> With_
> By Kris Kovick
> Copyright 1991
> Alyson Publications
> ISBN: 1-55583-128-1
> pp)153
> Paperback $7.95 (US)

> Disclaimer: The book is probably considered sexually explicit and
> might shock some people.  I generally don't know people who are easily
> shocked so I couldn't test this hypothesis.

I think Linda didn't find it as funny as I did.  *I* thought
it was a scream!  It *is* sexually explicit.  In my own life
I tend to be fairly sexually conservative but what does that
have to do with what I read a how people around me talk?

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:07:53 GMT

huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable) writes:

>    twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>> Hmm ... I thought his most famous short was "Aye, And Gomorrah,"
>> printed in DANGEROUS VISIONS.  (His first published work?)

>Certainly not his first published work.  That was the Fall
>of the Towers trilogy.  Next (or maybe in between) came _The
>Jewels of Aptor_.  I forget what came next.  

No. The Jewels of Aptor was first (there may have been revised editions
which were dated after the trilogy). 

Delany's writing changed (i.e., improved tremendously) with the third
book of the trilogy. Then came the Nebula-winning novels _Babel-17_ and
_The Einstein Intersection_. And _Nova_ in '68, which might not even
have been nominated, but I'm told is much more interesting than the
winner (Panshin?)

The short novels _Ballad of Beta 2_ and _Empire Star_ came somewhere
around '67-68 as well (_Ballad_ is a minor work; _Empire Star_ is a lot
of fun and includes at least one scene lifted almost intact from Delany's 
own life). Then most of the shorter works. And _Tides of Lust_ (a porn novel),
_Dhalgren_, _Triton_, the Neveryon books, _Stars in My Pocket Like Grains
of Sand_ etc.

Bill, resident Delany queen


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thrift@ra.csc.ti.com (Phil Thrift)
Subject: gay fantasy
Organization: TI Central Research Laboratories, Dallas
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:16:21 GMT


There has been discussion of this on this newsgroup which I have lost
track of, but could someone post a reading list of good gay fantasy
(primarily sword and sorcery stuff -- and male same-sex relationships)?

Thanks.

Philip Thrift



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