From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Babri Masjid
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:17:42 GMT

In article <1glt6kINN4u8@life.ai.mit.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.170405.16932@ntmtv> ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed) writes:
>>
>>Peace.
>>
>>Syed Ahmed.
>
>to put it succinctly, the destruction of the masjid in ayodhya sucks. it is not
>just a masjid that was destroyed there. it is not the same as destroying any
>masjid either. this masjid has become a symbol of muslim india, muslim history,
>muslim rule in india, and muslim presence in india. i said before and it is
>true. muslims have never been accepted in india, the presence of a few actors
>and entertainers and some rich folks and even some politicians in india is no 
>proof that that muslims are accepted there. give a dog his bone and he will eat
>it. there is no question about that.

Your arguments are muddled, and the point you want to make is unclear.
>
>want a divided india, when the day is done, the two are seperate, and never the
>two shall meet. i am going to withold my judgement on the goodness (or badness)
>of it, but that is the way things are.

Thanks for your enlightening statements, which, I am sure, will go a
long way in healing the rifts between hindus and muslims in India.
>
>a national day of mourning, pakistani muslims and bengali muslims have reacted
>very mildly to the situation as a whole.

The understetements of the year. What this clearly shows is that there
was active encouragement on the part of the Pakistani govt., towards
reprisals against hindus. What sense does it make, otherwise, to have a
day of protest against events taking place in another country ?

>
>the question of revenge is tough. while hindus have been attacked in pakistan,
>i venture to ask the hindus on the net, how would you react if a government and
>a people tacitly said to you, we hate you, we have always hated you. get the
>fuck out of here. otherwise you must become muslim. this is basically
>what the hindu majority is implying.
You are insane .. those are the kindest words I can can say to you.
After all the bending backwords that the Indian government does to
accomodate the whims of the muslims in India, an idiot like you says
this.

>
>it is forgotten that we muslims enriched indian culture ten-fold. what is now
>tacitly accepted as hindu sounds no different to me than urdu. persian poetry

Well, urdu sounds no different to me from hindi.

>is considered the highest form of verse in literary circles. our languages,
>turkish, arabic, farsi, made what your language is today. 
>
All kinds of crap to prove muslims are the most non violent people on
earth..
Guilty conscience ?

>
>Muslim India has to wake up to the fact that their history is being eroded
>in many different ways by the infrastructure of the country. We are not
                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is priceless. !!!!!
>the writers of history like a certain professor posted on the net, our
>history is being told to us in India by people who never liked the history
>they know about in the first place. Revisionism is taking place and most
>of Muslim India doesn't even know it.
>
>Connected to this is the issue of Kashmir. I read recently that the hindu
>population of Kashmir was never more than 5% in the last 200 years. The 
>question that comes to mind is what the hell is Kashmir doing in India?

What the hell are you trying to say. Being muslim implies inherently non
Indian ? What were you just saying about the injustice of the Indian
society that apparently does not recognise muslims as equal citizens.
This is what happens when illiterate assholes like you start posting on
the net. All bullshit and no logic.

>I don't advocate it being part of Pakistan. I do advocate independance.
>Please read May 1989 issue of India TODAY. The reaction is connected 
>in that I can see more riots in Kashmir, and more demands for independance.
>
>There is going to be some problems, people.
>
>salam alaikum wa rahmatullah
>
>Nar-e-Takbir!!
>
>zafar
>minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu
>minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu

You non Indian muslims are the height of hypocrisy. With what face do
you demand secularism in India, when you have already thrown out the
last of the Hindus from your countries in 1947, merrily destroyed their
temples over the last 40 years, made them live lives where neither life
nor property is guaranteed protection, to say little of religious
rights. Most western nations look upon Islamic countries as nothing but
hotbeds of fundamentalism, and so do we, in India, look down upon your
societies as fundamentally underdeveloped. So don't go about giving
advice to us. 
We'll protect our minorities, and do what is right, not because idiots
like you are going to bray so loudly, but because we try do do what is
right. We try to set right the wrongs of hindu fundamentalists, unlike
your islamic governments, which are RUN by fundamentalists.
If you hypocrites feel so much for your muslim brethren in India, why
don't you do something constructive for them .. donate to their wakf
boards or whatever.. uplift them a little, because it is doubtless that
a majority of the muslims in India are extremely poor people, with
abysmal levels of poverty, illiteracy and living conditions. Perhaps
this is where the trouble starts from.
So shut up, set youe own house in order, and then cast stones.
Ruchir.

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