From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: animals in research
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:50:50 GMT

In article <Bzqtw6.Er6@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>
>Russell Lawrence writes:
>rl> Do you understand the concept of "special pleading"?  [Let's
>rl> suppose, just for the sake of argument, that every reporter who 
>rl> was invited to the PCRM news conference had daily access to 
>rl> usenet, and hence, would be exposed to a daily dose of articles
>rl> from Rich Young.  In such a case, would it be unethical for Rich 
>rl> Young to continue posting dietary and medical advice to usenet...
>rl> just as you say that it's unethical for Neal Barnard to give press 
>rl> conferences?]  

[...]

>You edited out the text shown in brackets above.  I've edited the 
>material back in.  Would you mind answering the questions posed 
>therein?  

	When, exactly, DID you stop molesting your neighbor's little boy,
	Russell?  Your [leading] question WAS answered: don't you understand
	the difference between Usenet and the New York Times?

>Meanwhile, I'll answer your question.  Yes, there are quite a few 
>differences between the writers and readers of usenet, and the writers 
>and readers of the New York Times.   Do you think the editors of the
>NYT would be willing to re-publish the nutrition articles that 
>you've posted on usenet?

	I can't think of a reason why they would...or should.  Why?  Have
	you been submitting them for publication without my knowledge and
	under your name?  What does this have to do with anything, anyway?

[...]

>Would you mind commenting on the apparently contradiction between 
>your harsh criticism of PCRM's press conference (involving adult 
>reporters)....

	Martin has already commented on the "facts" in the PCRM announcement;
	I see no need to revisit those issues here.

>.....versus your apparent complacency in accepting the Dairy 
>Board's "education" campaigns involving very young children.

	Where, in this thread, have I mentioned either the Dairy Board
	or my attitude toward it?  And, since you're so familiar with my
	postings in other groups, what was the last thing I said about the
	Dairy Council in r.f.v.?

	Since YOU are the only one (until now) who has even mentioned the
	Dairy Board in this thread, it seems kinda silly for you to make
	assumptions regarding my attitude toward their information.

>[...] Can you see a difference between NYT reporters 
>and millions upon millions of school children in the first and 
>second grades?  

	Yes.  New York Times reporters have all already graduated from
	first and second grade, among other things.

[...]

>You're equivocating, Rich.  The statement, "I don't know", is amply
>clear.  And the conditional tone of the phrase, "I would be truly 
>surprised if..." is equally clear.  

	You'd have been fine had you stopped at, "I don't know."  But,
	since you couldn't stand to actually admit that without qualification,
	rather like another poster who's been missing lately but who's also
	prone to excessive verbosity, you had to add your conclusion that
	the PCRM would almost certainly hand out lists of references to
	reporters.  The only equivocation is yours: by your own admission
	you simply don't know, yet you attempt to imply that you do.

	How does your petard feel being hoisted, Russell?


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
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