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From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Best in the east
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 18:44:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Hi.  I always like to take a trip to a park each summer.  And I was wondering
>which theme park that you guys think is the best in the east of the United
>States.  I'm talkin' the craziest roller-coasters!
>                                    Thanks
>                                    Scott Goddard
>

The "craziest roller coaster in the east" will definitely be Great
Adventure's Batman The Ride when it opens next May.  If you're more
interested in a woodie, Wild World's Wild One is my current favorite.
Two weekend trips to the park and dozens of rides on the coaster have
placed it in first place on my list of favorite rides (the Phoenix at
Knoebels Amusement Resort drops to a very strong second).  As far as
the parks go, Knoebels is clearly the better park of the two, offering
traditional park atmosphere that no themer can come close to.

Tom "Suffering the guilt of dropping the Phoenix to #2" Obszanski
From: mew@gacvx1.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: King's Island
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:59:33 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
Nntp-Posting-User: mew

Anyone ever been to King's Island?  The Beast, King Cobra, and Vortex all kick
ass.  Next time you are near Cincinnati, give 'em a try.
From: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Tony D. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: THIS JUST IN....KI's Top Gun coaster
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:25:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1689CD98C.VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU>, VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
>>Well just heard this as the radio woke me up.  On 107.9 THeEnd in
>>Cleveland, the new reporter said that Ki is now Paramount KI, as

Hmmm.  Does Paramount spell the end of Hanna Barbera at KI?

>>The train's cars
>>apparently will be little models of planes in tribute to the movie.
>  
> Oh great, shaped like planes, kinda like the Flight Commander.

Wasn't The Bat, which was at KI in the early 80s, a suspenions coaster?

I've been waiting for years for a hot new coaster at the Island; since the
year after the Vortex was built, in fact.  And Adventure Express sure as
hell didn't fit the bill.  It's a piss poor excuse for a coaster; the KI
railroad is more of an adventure.  Anyway, where is the new coaster going to
be located?

  Tony D. Lowe, The HapMaster  BITNET:   tdlowe01@ulkyvx.bitnet
  University of Louisville     INTERNET: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
            "Another brilliant mind ruined by higher education."
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From: cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: TG minus 2 weeks and counting...
Reply-To: cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: TheNews 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:39:42 GMT

In article <sqk1tg+@rpi.edu> xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:
>Texas Giant III is only two weeks away!  How many of you are going?

I am!!

>Perhaps we should all wear Ethernet bracelets so we'll recognize each
>other... :-)

We should be easy to recognize -- aren't you bringing a portable PC with
you?!?!?! :-)  But seriously, it would be fun to meet with those of us who go! 
Maybe we should set something up?  I'll probably be wearing purple...

-- Cheri
cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com

>-- 
>Joe Schwartz       E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu
>MapInfo Corp.
>200 Broadway       Disclaimer: "Everything I know is wrong."
>Troy, NY 12180     Corollary:  "Nothing I say represents MapInfo Corp."
>
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Roller Coaster Book Worth Reading?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:32:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry to change the subject a little, but the headers were getting
too monotonous. =)

Today I was browsing around my school's library network, and I saw
that they had but one book on Roller Coasters =(.  1.5 million
volumes and only ONE COASTER BOOK!  It was called "The Incredible
Scream Machine : A history of the roller coaster".  It's an '87
book, so it's not that out of date.  Just wondering if it's worth
the trip down to the library to find this book.

Mike "thinking about all the snow coming to Cleveland" Cornell
mac18@po.cwru.edu
From: rettigca@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: KI in local news
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:39:31 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure you will) but our local NBC affiliate's
news (in Cincinnati) just stated that King's Island's new coaster (suspension)
will be called Top Gun and not Star Trek or S.O.Bat. They even showed video
tape of a suspension coaster that was black and yellow with fire engine red
trackage. Is this Big Bad Wolf? (If it helps there was a thing that looked like
a tannish mountain- presumably artificial -in the background)

Thanks, Chris

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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Coaster GIFs?
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:41:53 GMT


	Now that my coaster obsession is operating in full-frenzy mode,
	I must have GIFs for my PC.  Anyone know of a site that has 
	some GIFs of coasters, or have some they would like to E-Mail?

	Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:17:17 GMT

I no longer live in Sandusky, OH, but have visited Cedar Point
enough in the last couple of years during the summer to 
recognize that the coaster pictured is probably one of
CP's, given the background scenes.  I only saw a part of the
commercial once and am hoping to see all of it again so that
I can make sure.

allen
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: KI in local news
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:02:54 GMT

>Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure you will) but our local NBC affiliate's
>news (in Cincinnati) just stated that King's Island's new coaster (suspension)
>will be called Top Gun and not Star Trek or S.O.Bat.

Well, I was one of the people who had stated that both coasters
at KI and GA would be called "Star Trek", based on information
I read in Amusement Business.  Basically, if AB put it in print,
I feel comfortable standing behind it!  Paramount must have had
a change of heart since the AB announcement.

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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Paramount's Great America Press Day Announcements
Keywords: New Look and TOP-GUN
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:33:06 GMT

So, this will be a 3-inversion ride, as rumored, as 
opposed to the 5-inversion (Batman -- The Original)
at SFGAm.


Still, sounds like fun.

B.
From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:22:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, smw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (scott.wincklhofer) says:

>In article <1992Nov10.165957.20907@engage.pko.dec.com>, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>> It's Lucy White and some lady riding the REBEL YELL
>> (formerly painted white, now sandblasted natural wood!)
>> at the ACE Coaster Con last June at KD.
>I also saw this commercial and the coaster was definitely not the REBEL YELL
>as it was not a racing coaster.  Also when I was at KD this past July I
>believe the REBEL YELL was white again.  I saw this commercial in a bar so
>I do not know if the audio portion provides any clues, but the structure 
>and color of the wood reminded me most of Hercules at Dorney Park, however,
>I do not believe that it was this coaster, so it must be one that I have
>not ridden.  Sorry for the lack of any real help.
>
>					Scott.

I remember seeing this commercial a few times. I don't know what coaster it
is but the audio track has the man (a saleman trying to sell ads in the GTE
yellow pages) trying to convince the women (the park owner) to buy space in
the GTE Yellow Pages to help build attendence. The women, however, does not
want anyone to go to HER park because she turns out to be a roller coaster
freak and does not want to wait in lines. Pretty entertaining commercial!

-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\
Member of ACE                    \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// MS-DOS or a Mac? What's that?
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Originator: wjf@rs2
Keywords: TV advertisement
Organization: Harris Controls
 <49496@shamash.cdc.com> <1992Nov11.122405.11326@ccd.harris.com>
 <1992Nov11.222423.29836@pmafire.inel.gov>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:33:03 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.222423.29836@pmafire.inel.gov>,
 geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
|> wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) writes:
|> > The coaster in the GTE commercial looks like the Psyclone at
|> > Magic Mountain.
|> 
Geoff writes:
|> The cars looked like PTC cars that had been enclosed in boxes.  The
|> headrests looked very much like PTC headrests.
|> 
|> I've never seen the B&M cars on Psyclone, though.  Perhaps they
|> have the same style headrests.  Are the Psyclone cars white, with
|> no distinctive markings?

I don't remember if they have a white train but the Psyclone
definitely has the strangest looking cars in the business.  I did
see the cars at IAAPA last year and hated them.  I couldn't believe
anyone would buy a set for their coaster.  Then MM surprised me.  I
guess they run better then Morgans, from what I heard.  Something
just hit me.  Are these B&M coaches or are they SDC?  God, I hate
having all my reference material at home.  There was a picture of
the trains about a year ago in ACE News.  As far as the no
distinctive markings question, normally a cooperative park will
allow the commercial people or movie people to paint over the names
and other distinctive features.  Again, without looking at the
commercial again (I have only seen it once), I am still about 98%
sure it is the Psyclone and I very seldom say I am 100% sure of
anything.

		Bill "where are the Magic Mountain people" Figie
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Whalom Park -- 100 Trees for 100th Anniversary
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:54:59 GMT

"Tom" (s7958246@titan.ucc.umass.edu) writes:

   
>Well, I have driven by Whalom Park a few times, but that was during
>the off-season. From what I saw by the road, it looks like Moutain Park
>(sort of) with the exception that it's not as remote as Mountain Park
>was. 
>
>I caught a glimpse of a woodie at Whalom, how is it? And I
>anticipate another wonderful ride on the Whip.

The woodie at Whalom Park (COMET FLYER, or FLYER COMET,
whichever you prefer, I've seen it referenced both ways)
is a really nice, enjoyable, very traditional wooden coaster.
It would surely make ACE's "Classic Coaster" listing, had
the park not modified the PTC coaches with seat dividers.

It's one of the few woodies in Amercia which still gives
a "traditional ride".  It FEELS like you're riding an old 
woodie -- not like some woodies which are old by date,
but which ride like brand new rides!  The COMET FLYER is
a Layered Figure 8 pattern, with nice drops, great flat
curves, and a nice fan curve ending.  Definitely recommended.

Also recommended at Whalom is their (very rare) FLY-O-PLANE
ride.  Very wild if you can get the technique for spinning
the cars correct.


Buck
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: 47.221.0.81 (DEBRA GARDNER)
Subject: Re: What is ACE?
Followup-To: rec.roller-coaster
Organization: NORTHERN TELECOM
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:15:42 GMT

GARY, 

Please tell me what is involved in getting a business membership in ACE?

THANKS

DEBBIE GARDNER
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Organization: TheNews 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:09:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.122405.11326@ccd.harris.com> wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com
(Bill Figie) writes:
>
>Hi all,
>    Finally on commercials, I will have another post on another matter. 
>My mother-in-law said she has seen another commercial for Gravity mens
>cologne.  She said there was a coaster in it.  I hope we can catch this
>one.  I have not seen it though.
>

I saw this commercial, and meant to post something about it, but forgot
(isn't it annoying when work gets in the way?!?).  Anyway, the coaster is
silhouetted in the background.  I didn't catch any close up shots, or any
clues to its identity.

>		Keep on tapin'	
>
>		Bill "8 days till Dallas" Figie
>

See ya there!

-- Cheri


Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:24:23 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: TV advertisement

wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) writes:
|   I think I have the answer to the GTE commercial question.  I saw it
|on Monday Night Football and got the last three quarters of it on a tape
|I had sitting in my VCR (missed the first 5-8 seconds because of the lag
|time of getting the VCR rolling once I heard the click-click-click).  I
|usually try and keep a tape in in cases like this.  It will probably be
|aired again Monday, but I will continue being on the lookout perhaps on
|Sunday football.  I only saw part of it and haven't reviewed it yet, but
|I am almost 100% positive the coaster was Psyclone at Magic Mountain. 
|Think about it.  Strange coaster cars, wood twister, and most of all,
|most commercials are usually shot in California.  Magic Mountain and
|Santa Cruz are naturals.

The cars looked like PTC cars that had been enclosed in boxes.  The
headrests looked very much like PTC headrests.

I've never seen the B&M cars on Psyclone, though.  Perhaps they have the
same style headrests.  Are the Psyclone cars white, with no distinctive
markings?

Geoff ``One of these days we'll get to the bottom of this'' Allen

--
Geoff Allen          \  Please remain seated and keep your hands and arms
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  above your head at all times.  Enjoy your ride.
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From: smw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (scott.wincklhofer)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:41:47 GMT
Summary: Not The Rebel Yell
Keywords: TV advertisement

In article <1992Nov10.165957.20907@engage.pko.dec.com>, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
> It's Lucy White and some lady riding the REBEL YELL
> (formerly painted white, now sandblasted natural wood!)
> at the ACE Coaster Con last June at KD.
I also saw this commercial and the coaster was definitely not the REBEL YELL
as it was not a racing coaster.  Also when I was at KD this past July I
believe the REBEL YELL was white again.  I saw this commercial in a bar so
I do not know if the audio portion provides any clues, but the structure 
and color of the wood reminded me most of Hercules at Dorney Park, however,
I do not believe that it was this coaster, so it must be one that I have
not ridden.  Sorry for the lack of any real help.

					Scott.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Wincklhofer
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Whippany NJ 
scott.wincklhofer@att.com

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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: New coaster at Busch Gardens, Tampa
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:02:45 GMT


Well folks, it finally happened.  Busch Gardens, the Dark Continent
in Tampa, Florida finally announced their new coaster for 1993.  I
do not have all the information yet (no official press kit or track
layout), but I did review what I taped the other night off of the
news and I do have more information.  First off, for all you out
there that hate duplicate names of coasters, it is being called
Kumba.  I am not sure of the spelling yet but this is the way it
sound.  It is definitely B&M sitdown cars.  It is supposed to be one
of the largest steel coasters in North America.  It has, what the TV
said, was the largest loop at 108 feet.  Don't know if this is off
the ground, diameter, or something else.  No word on the height of
it or the length till I get my hands on a press kit.  It is supposed
to have 6 loops and the TV newsman said it would have 3 seconds of
weightlessness (camelback hump like Drachen Fire?), and go
underground in total darkness.  The photo they showed was very
stylistic and I could not tell much about the layout.  It did
somewhat look a little like it had some of Drachen Fire's elements. 
They also showed a computer generated on-ride footage (POV) on the
coaster but they only showed about 5 or 10 seconds of it and I
couldn't make out much except the first drop curves to the left
(a-la- Traver-style) and it also looked like it had a boomerang or
some other element that looks like that.  Again I couldn't really
tell exactly what it had.  I hope to get some more information soon.
 If not, from BG, maybe I will be able to get something at IAAPA
 in a week.


Bill "it has been a long time coming" Figie
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: chrisl@joplin.wri.com (Chris LaReau)
Subject: Re: TOP GUN..the ride (RE: STAR TREK--The Ride)
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:09:17 GMT

In <1992Nov5.142759.6331@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com writes:

>Bill "just 2 more weeks" Figie writes:

>>Anyways, in it they had a working model (1/10 scale I think) 
>>of an Arrow suspend coaster (swings freely) going through a 
>>inverted corkscrew.  It worked on a model, but I am not sure 
>>why it couldn't be made to work full scale.  Perhaps Christopher 
>>Toomer (if he is out there reading this) could shed some light on 
>>this subject.  Is the whole reason it can't be done because it 
>>swings freely?

>I had heard Arrow had this technology, but I guess my question
>is -- the THE BAT (ex-King's Island) defunct itself without
>loops, how would they manage corkscrews??

>Walter Bollinger was quoted as saying they've been thinking
>about this concept for a while, and not until they 'fixed'
>the car motion did they succeed in the design.  I guess the
>factor of the cars being able to swing was a hurdle they
>couldn't quite work with safely.

When the Bat was announced by Arrow at Coaster Con 3 in 1980, it was to have
2 corkscrews. During the Q&A session, it was mentioned that if for some
reason they couldn't get the bugs out of the corkscrews, they would use
horizontal helices in place of them. The Bat had the horizontal helices.
I imagine the swinging cars are a big part of why the inversion elements
weren't put in, given Arrow's ultra-conservative attitude towards safety
considerations. Just imagine what would happen if, say, an axle broke. I
have heard, though, that they couldn't do it anyway, simply because they
couldn't come up with a car-coupler system that would both keep the cars
together and not hit the track while going through the extreme curvature
of the corkscrew. B&M gets around this partly by not swinging and partly
by using articulated trains, one (4 person, for capacity) bench per axle,
instead of Arrow's more "normal" two (2 person) benches per car, wheels
at the corners design.

Chris

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Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Book Worth Reading?
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:01:40 GMT

In article <69392@cup.portal.com> Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com writes:
>From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
>Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Book Worth Reading?
>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:18:54 PST
>>If it is the book I am thinking of, it is a rather thin book of
>>probably only 100 pages.  It seems to have been written mainly for
>>younger people (maybe ages 10-14).  What I mean by that is that it
>>really doesn't get very deep into the subject.  I think it was written
>>by some woman (used to be a member of ACE at least at one time).  Do
>>you know the authors name.  I have a copy of it at home and I will try
>>and remember to look it up in the next couple days.  It is really not
>>that bad of a book and to the best of my knowledge it was accurate.
>>Try looking up Amusement Parks in you library.  A real good book to
>>get your hands on is called the Great American Amusement Park by Gary
>>Kyriazi.  It is a rather old book (over 10 years old) but is still
>>full of great pictures and information about the history of old and
>>some new parks.
>>
>>        Bill "any book on roller coasters is good to read" Figie
>
>
>Another great place to look for information on coasters and amusement
>parks is the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature.  There are
>literally hundreds of articles listed for the past several years under
>these two topics.  Not all of the articles are good, some are just short
>blurbs, but you'll come across a number of in-depth articles this way.
>
>Tom "Anything on roller coasters is good to read" Obszanski
>     ^^^^^^^^
>     slightly amended here.

I have found really good articles in Scientific American, Smithsonian, 
Newsweek, and Popular Mechanics, and this was only 1988-present.  There is a 
wealth of stuff out there.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:30:54 -0500 
From: Tracy Aulfinger <tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What is ACE?

Hi,

My husband, Gary, is the Membership director for ACE and we would be
happy to send you an application if you would email us your physical
address.  Would someone else like to take the describe ACE part of the
query--I have 700 renewals and applications to start processing...

Trace
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Keywords: TV advertisement
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:59:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Nov10.165957.20907
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

It's Lucy White and some lady riding the REBEL YELL
(formerly painted white, now sandblasted natural wood!)
at the ACE Coaster Con last June at KD.
From: WJS116@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:05:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

I always thought it was CP's Mean Streak.  There was a commercial filmed
on the Mean Streak last year;  they shut down the ride for several hours
to film it.  I'm not sure if it was the GTE ad.
From: pcsd1146@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: What is ACE?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:57:48 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

To anyone who would like to respond.
I am new to this newsgroup and I am Wondering What is ACE and
how can I get more info on it.
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