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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: TNG: earlier episodes good? Opinions requested
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:27:05 GMT

In article <Oct.6.22.59.00.1992.20378@andromeda.rutgers.edu> giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:

>   I am new to TNG (last 6 months or so) and I
>have foudn the shows to be somewhat garbles in that
>they emphasis alot of technicalmumbo jumbo as
>oppoed to development of chracters like the
>original shows--my question is were the earlier
>shows espcially the first 2 years of TNG
>superior to whats currently running?

Aaiigh!  Good lord, no.  By general consensus, here's the breakdown...

Season 1:	ack!  Only a couple of notables that you'd want to watch
		again.

Season 2:	still weak, but contains more episodes that I'd rewatch.
		A couple might even be classic ("Time Squared")

Season 3:	The best to date.  Many consecutive hits.

Season 4:	A decline from 3, but better than 1 & 2.

Season 5:	Mixed bag.  On par with 4.  When these episodes hit,
		they either hit _big_, or were incredible stinkers.

Season 6:	??? so far, mediocre.

How's that?


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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.191208.29970@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

[45 lines of Atsushi-bashing deleted...]

>Opinion wholeheartedly seconded!!
>Anyonce care to third it

	My opinion is that brainless fools who quote entire articles only
to follow up with a single comment of agreement and a request for others to
do the same should be fed to the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal...
Anyone care to second this opinion? ;-) 

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Man of the People  - please explain "Dorian" reference
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:17:06 GMT


SPOILERS for Man of the People ahead!










At the end of Man of the People I suddenly remembered how the ship that
carried the ambassador was called "the Dorian" and at first I thought 
this was meant as a reference to an episode of "Blake's 7," called
"Rescue."
In that, all of the crew except for Cally are rescued by a man called
Dorian for two purposes.  The more sinister of his purposes is that
in the basement of his base is a cavern, and in this cavern a creature
is imprisoned.  Every time Dorian enters the cavern, all of the "vices"
he has indulged himself in are cleansed and placed onto the shoulders
of the imprisoned creature.  Dorian has lived well over a hundred years
even though he looks thirty and the creatures are people he hasx lured
or placed in the cavern to bear his corruption for him.

"Man of the People" has a very similar thing going on, and as I said
before I first thought it was a reference to "Blake's 7" but now after
reading some of your postings I see there mayhaps is an earlier reference,
something callled "Portrait of Dorian Grey" that perhaps is the source
for BOTH these episodes.  

SO, my question is , what is the original reference, and when was it
written?  

Steve/Iain

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From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Review: "Man of the People" Can you say Composite ? 
Summary: Nope; prohibited by the Geneva Convention.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: TNG, Troi, anger, lust
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:43 EST  

Can you say "Sarek" (Negative emotions dumped into others) "Skin of Evil" 
(others dumping negative emotions *into* one being), "The Loss" (Troi 
becomes a bitch) ? It's nice to know that they still recycle in the 24th 
century ... even plots.

Oh, and if I see another mediator-based plot this year, I'm gonna *SCREAM* !!!! 

You're right, Tim ... this one drew a vacuum ! 

-- Stephen

     Though *believing* in things often wounds the spirit, *not* believing 
     in anything will eventually kill it. Therefore, *dream* ... and accept 
     the costs as reasonable.
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: New trek novels (3 of them!)
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:23:34 EST

In article <10OCT199217220965@juliet.caltech.edu>
irwin@juliet.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth) writes:
 
>I decided to go to our local Waldenbooks to see if any new Trek novels had
>been published and much to my surprise, not only was there something new,
>there were three somethings new.
>
>Usually, I find announcements of new trek novels here on r.a.s.c and then
>go out and buy them.  It seems that this time, someone wasn't minding the
>farm...:-).
 
Don't be so hasty...I posted about all three the day they hit the stands
last week!
 
Besides, in terms of future announcements, I posted a subset of the
LOCUS list several weeks ago from the latest listing which is good
till June '93.
 
Instead of minding the farm, looks like someone hasn't been reading
their mail? :)
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Novelizations of ST:TNG Episodes
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:36:25 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <Bw6I1K.KI0@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.184122.22299@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>>
>>I can't help but wonder at these novels based on ST:TNG episodes, when
>>I remember that the original TOS episodes were made into 10-20 page
>>SHORT STORIES by James Blish...
>>
>
>But remember, that was in the Bantam days. Now we're in the Pocket
>anything-for-a-buck days. Why condense six episodes into one book
>when you can sell them separately at $4.95 apiece? 
>

To follow up my own post, I wonder why they just don't rename themselves
Pocket Bucks instead of Pocket Books?

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.171059.20332@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>:)Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
>>:)quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
>>:)ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
>>:)reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
>>:)reviews from this site.
>	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
>take this newsgroup BACK!

	Is this like the Moral Majority?  Or Family Values?  Let me know,
please....I'm on tenterhooks...


 Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
>purpose in life is to tear down the work of others. TNG is among the
>top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
>all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.

	Oh, like LAW AND ORDER? NORTHERN EXPOSURE? MURPHY BROWN? LIFE GOES
ON? I'LL FLY AWAY? Etc. Etc. Etc.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:09:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu> ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:

>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?

It works on Deanna, who's half-human...

Maybe it's just the placebo effect!  :>

__NOVA__
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"Traction."
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you'll understand it!
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Novelizations of ST:TNG Episodes
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:56:07 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Oct15.184122.22299@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>
>I can't help but wonder at these novels based on ST:TNG episodes, when
>I remember that the original TOS episodes were made into 10-20 page
>SHORT STORIES by James Blish...
>

But remember, that was in the Bantam days. Now we're in the Pocket
anything-for-a-buck days. Why condense six episodes into one book
when you can sell them separately at $4.95 apiece? 

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                - "Doctor Who"
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From: z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek:TNG Final Episode
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:03:12 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Oct14.031251.24864@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:
> The Question is:
> 
> As rumored, will Star Trek:The Next Generation be terminated by Paramount
> Pictures after December to make way for Star Trek:Deep Space Nine, or will 
> it run concurrently with the new series for a few episodes/seasons?
> 
> Or is Paramount remaining silent about all of this hoping to guage the ratings
> after the new series has launched?
> 
> Another Curious Canadian,
> 
> Rick Lippens
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Rumers, just Rumers. Paramont and the TNG actors have said and they are on
contract to do a full 6th season, with an option for a 7th season.

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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:48:02 GMT

It's already been done, I think. In the episode <spit> "Cost of Living":
the dancing woman by the mud bath.

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Kirk : "Well, er...er...we'll talk about that later!"
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Transporters...suicide?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:47:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.718580878
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct7.233332.27232@ichips.intel.com> smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:

>BTW in the last TNG, we were shown what is like from the view of the person being
>transported so the death by transporter argument is over....your conscience
>stays intact during the whole process...

So, does your consciousness. :-)
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: reviews
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:43:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.3208.12163@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:

>Anyways, my question is should I add to the unending list of no-namer
>episode-reviewers who compete against such real Net-Trek-Gods as Lynch
>and Kanorami?


I had some Kanorami for dinner just the other night.  It wasn't as tasty
as the fresh stuff, but it was still pretty good.







Oh.....wait a minute.  Did you mean Kanamori?  Sorry.


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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Brent Spiner on Saturday Night Live
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:40:18 GMT

I would love to see Brent on Saturday NIght Live. He is such a versatile actor 
and has a great sense of comedy. Does anyone know Lorne Michaels address so we 
can request him as guesthost?

J.P.
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.205737.26521
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct12.174100.14451@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>In article <tomcat.718653988@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>>	I agree with this person...the show is doing very well.  

	Ehhhhhhh......

>	I think that those would-be "hard-core" fans who consistently
>bash TNG are a vocal and radical fringe on this newsgroup - like the
>GOP's far right.

	No, we're the Dramathurgical Elite.....

>	I'd rather see the show try and alternately miss and fail than
>see the formulaic, uninspired plots we saw in season 5 - personally,

	Now, that's something I can agree with....as long as they hit the
bullseye with some of 'em...

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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:52:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Oct09.025229.18740
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park


   Has anyone ever watched the CNN show "Science and Technology Week"?
I think the host of the show is ---- Miles O'Brien.

   Seriously.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: pad is sexy and nude!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:33:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

At the moment I don't have a specific Trek novel in the works, although
two are in the discussion stages:  One would be a Deep Space Nine novel
(since Pocket is starting a line of those) and the other is a novel
focusing on Captain Sulu of the Excelsior.

PAD
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From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:31:17 GMT

In article <1687BF751.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu>, JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
|> In article <1b4ogeINNd5l@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
|> worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington) writes:
|>  
|> >It's nice to see someone praising the show.  It's about time this happened.
|> >I agree completely.  The R.A.S groups have turned into a Startrek bashing
|> >forum.
|> Count me in as well!  I've enjoyed all three episodes so far.  You can
|> analyze some things to death.  Why not just sit back and enjoy!

Were you folks not around toward the end of last season, for
"Inner Light" and "I, Borg", to name a couple? There was little
bashing going on then. Why do you suppose that is? 

I like ST:TNG. I like it a lot. But just as I don't like every
restaurant I might go to, I don't like every episode. And, just
as I enjoy reading restaurant reviews, or discussing restaurants 
with friends, I enjoy reading the discussions about episodes, good
and bad, posted here.
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From: THALL@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Tom Hall)
Subject: Re: Man of the People  - please explain "Dorian" reference
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 10:54:50 GMT

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

> "Man of the People" has a very similar thing going on,
> and as I said before I first thought it was a reference
> to "Blake's 7" but now after reading some of your
> postings I see there mayhaps is an earlier reference,
> something callled "Portrait of Dorian Grey" that
> perhaps is the source for BOTH these episodes.

> SO, my question is , what is the original reference,
> and when was it written?

"The Picture of Dorian Gray" was written by Oscar Wilde in the late 19th
century. Basically the same idea, only it's a painting which absorbs all
the bad stuff. It changes each time Dorian Gray indulges himself in some
debauchery or another, while he remains ageless...
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Yes, Ma'am." (was: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People")
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:55:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: uh,... what?
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct8.203739.16475@msi.com> bill@msi.com writes:
[...stuff...]
>She even seem to use her authority as Lt. Commander to coerce Ensign
>willing-and-able.  When the ensign left her quarters, she spoke of "if
>I need you, I know where to find you" and he answered "yes maam".  Not
>one who was seduced, but rather forced.

I don't know if this was important or not, but Ensign W&A addressing Troi
as "Ma'am" struck me as weird.  I thought all people -- male and female
-- in the times of Star Trek were addressed uniformly as "Sir".  Or is
that just for officers in Star Fleet?  (And would Troi be considered an
"officer" on this necessarily, being, as someone pointed out that she
should be, outside the chain of command?)

Just asking.

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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:19:12 GMT

Michael Judson (judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John  
: Piscitello) writes:
: > 	Why did they kill Tasha off?
: The reason that I heard that Tasha was killed off came straight from an
: interview from her.  She said that she wanted a more interactive role.
: She didn't want to be known as simply the person who said, "Hailing
: frequencies open."  She felt that she could have bigger roles in other
: shows if she left Star Trek.  However, I have yet to see her in any
: other show other than as (what's her face) in the Romulan episodes.

She did however play a fairly major role in the movie 'Pet Semetary'.
What is ironic is that her TOS equivalent (to some degree) also
complained about the same thing.  The actress who played Uhura
complained that she wasn't involved enough, and almost left the show.  It
took some convincing from Dr. Martin Luther King to get her to stay.

I guess that was one thing that the Star Trek people didn't learn from
history, so it repeate itself.

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Subject: Re: TNG Credits: Man Of The People
From: cuy@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:22:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co.-Huntington Bch
Nntp-Posting-User: cuy

In article <1992Oct7.005844.10164@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct6.171156.26910@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
>> 			 Guest Stars
>> Lucy Boryer				[Ensign Janeway]
> 
> I assume Ensign Janeway was the transporter chief....let's see more of her! 
> Perhaps she can become the new primary transporter person after O'Brien leaves
> for DS9.

<more stuff deleted>

I think this was the woman that got wailed on by Troi during counseling.
If that's not her, did anyone notice that that woman, who probably has a
severe complex now, was Janine something-or-other from "Doogie Howser",
or at least it looked an awful lot like her.  [No, I don't usually watch
Doogie Howser, it's just on after "The Wonder Years"  :-)].

DMC
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From: cvantwrp@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Cyndi Van Antwerp)
Subject: Why they killed off Tasha Yar
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:12:43 GMT

I read (don't remember where) that Denise Crosby was disappointed on the
lack of popularity of the show and wanted out of her contract to
pursue furthering her career elsewhere--so they
killed her off.  Shortly thereafter, the show really hit high on the
ratings, and judging by her visits back to the show, I think she may
regret her hasty decision.
-- 
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.
					-- John Lennon

Cyndi Van Antwerp
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