From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: xians here
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:39:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul24.171945.24835@ccu.umanitoba.ca> roholdr@ccu.umanitoba.ca (R Ross Holder Jr) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.040021.13124@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>
>
>>	Well, since discussion seems to have gotten around to whether or not
>>to allow xians here, I must cast a vote for YES.  My reasons are as follows:
>>	1) Breaks up the usual "My Satanism is better than yours, naah naah
>>naah" debates.
>>	2) We don't want to stoop to their level and censor dissenting views.
>>	3) They make us look good.
>
>I doubt he needs Christians to make him think he looks good...
>
	If this statement is meant to infer some kind of pomposity on my part,
I must say you are mistaken.  I do not view myself as any "Champion of Satanism"
or anything.  I simply offered my counterviews and opinions against those of
Evan Marshall.  I have received support for this, but I never demanded it, nor
even asked for it.  If my posts come across to some as logical and well-
reasoned, but insipid and pompous to others, so be it.  They are merely my
opinions.  You, however, have given us no opinions of your own, with the
exception character judgement against me.

>>	Remember, this newsgroup is frequented by non-Satanists.  Our own
>>resident christian soldier, evan marshall, has done more to make Satanism look
>>good than I ever could.  I find that the xians that do frequent here help us
>>to reinforce our points against christianity.
>
>Hmmmmm...as a satanist, I think he'd mean to reinforce [satanism's] points
>against God.
>
	I say christianity, because that is the religious group which locks
horns with us most frequently here.  Arguments with them actually only reinforce
[Satanism's] points against THEIR god.

>>	They are predominantly closed-minded, bigoted individuals.  While they
>>may or may not be representative of the norm, they go a long way towards making
>>the Satanist arguments valid.
>
>Although it probably isn't necessary for the majority of readers, I'll point
>out the gaping hypocrisy (sp?) in this remark.  Making negative generalizations
>of this nature is itself "closed-minded" and "bigoted" isn't it?  It isn't
>too hard for me to believe that this Evan Marshall has done more to credit
>satanism than Mr. Rich; God only knows it's because of people like Mr. Rich
>that satanism is in little danger of achieving anything more than "cult"
>status.
>
	This isn't really that much of a negative generalization.  When I said
"They", I meant the xians who frequent here, not all of xianity. I also said
"predominantly" meaning most, but not all and "may or may not be representative
of the norm".  In short, I felt I covered my own ass.
	I don't vision myself any representative of Satanism or Satanists.  I
speak for myself and myself only.  Whether Satanism rises beyond "cult" status
or not is not up to me.  Indeed, if Satanic doctrine were to change tomorrow
so that all Satanists were to meet in organized temples on special days, count
me out.  I have no interest in seeing my views tempered by an organized religion

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	Raymond H. Rich
	Devil's Advocate

BTW, You really didn't make it clear which religion you yourself subscribe to.
Which side of the Fence of Eternal Damnation do you stand on?