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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: What is "politically correct" ?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:32:17 GMT

In <1992Jul23.002128.22557@iitmax.iit.edu> draughn@iitmax.iit.edu (Mark Draughn) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.104856.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
>writes:
>>   "-American."  Black is African-American.  Oriental is Asian-American. 
>>Latino is Latin-American.  Some people now say Woman-American.  Anyone not
>>using an "-American" term _must_ be racist, according to PC doctrine.  An
>>important note:  whites are not European-American.  

>Not true.  It is improper to use terms such as "white" when refering
>to European-Americans.  If all other groups are referred to as
>"<something>-Americans," but European-Americans are called "whites,"
>it implies that European-Americans are the default against which all
>other groups are compared.

	Being of Norwegian ancestry and having grown up on a farm, I prefer
the term "Agro-American."  I once filled in a form for this university where
they requested my race.  I checked the "other" box and wrote in "agro-
american."  They seemed unamused by my attitude.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell)
Subject: Re: Question of Category
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.215856.5575@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> briggs@jed.atmo.arizona.edu (William Briggs) writes:
>
>  Perhaps someone can help me.  On a recent survey I was asked to fill out, 
>there was a blank to indicate race.  There were perhaps twenty choices.  Now this
>confused me.  I wasn't sure which to choose.  I did a little digging into my
>geneology and came up with this:
>
>          Nearly equal parts: Polish, English, Irish, Cherokee, Austrian,
>                              French.

[ ... ]

>  What shall I call myself?  Thank you in advance for your courteous reply.

	In general, it is to your financial advantage to claim membership
in the most oppressed group in which you could *possibly* claim membership.
Given your particular list, I'd choose "American Indian" or "Native
American" or "We Were Here Firsters" or whatever we're supposed to call
them this week.

>  matt briggs

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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: One good reason to keep women out of combat
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:08:43 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA


 hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:

>  I can just see Colonel Ripley teaching a course on social anthropology!  
>  I wonder if he'd carry around an empty bottle to spit his chewing tobacco
>  into!

	I've been known to chew tobacco on occassion, and I don't spit.
Just so you know that your stereotypes are flawed, as is the rest of your
opinion.  As for social anthropology, since when is warfare a social science?

>  And worse still I wonder what would happen 
>  if somebody (god forbid) asked him a question ?!

	He's probably answer.  What if you threatened him?  He'd probably
render you unfit for combat really quickly.  Face it, pal, the only reason
you don't see women in the NFL as linebackers is because there are physical
differences, and whining about it won't help.  As an aside, I'm 5'9" and
around 165lbs.  I can beat the #2 140lb woman powerlifter in arm wrestling.
This doesn't mean she's less strong, just that I'm better suited to that
particular task.  'Nuff said.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.discrimination
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Re: One good reason to keep women out of combat
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:40:56 GMT

Dan Sorenson enlightens us on the physical weakness of women:
> 

> >  And worse still I wonder what would happen 
> >  if somebody (god forbid) asked him a question ?!
> 
> 	He's probably answer.  What if you threatened him?  He'd probably
> render you unfit for combat really quickly.  Face it, pal, the only reason
> you don't see women in the NFL as linebackers is because there are physical
> differences, and whining about it won't help.  As an aside, I'm 5'9" and
> around 165lbs.  I can beat the #2 140lb woman powerlifter in arm wrestling.
> This doesn't mean she's less strong, just that I'm better suited to that
> particular task.  'Nuff said.

I reply:

Not enough at all.  My sister in law who is in the army could probably
bring  most men down in a few seconds (I really don't know about arm
wrestling since their bad breath may give her a disadvantage!).  The reason 
that she is so tough is because she's been trained and has worked at it.
If most women were encouraged to do the heavy duty stuff from childhood
versus giving them barbie dolls you may see quite a different picture
in a few decades.  Our bodies and genetics
are more flexible and adaptable than you think. Your argument doesn't float. 

And with regard to the line backer issue, it seems that the only difference
between a football player and a women athlete (or any normal human being)
I can make out is "weight".  Maybe American Football concentrates more on 
mass than on skill. 

Using your words
Maybe you are "better suited" to armwrestling than other stuff.

> 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: maltese_r@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Question of Category
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:09:00 GMT

I am very new to telecommunicating so please forgive me any technical
gaucheries.
From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Life
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:04:53 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

zane@ddsw1.mcs.com  writes:
> In article <BrGHu2.Crw@acsu.buffalo.edu> omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies) writes:
> >
> >     Hmmmm.. I don't mean to be nasty or anything but, THE WAY PEOPLE
> >LOOK UPON (AND MORE IMPORTANTLY ACT TOWARDS (IN DEED OR LAW)) HAS A
> >FUCK OF ALOT TO DO WITH MY LIFE!  Now, you in your white-bread, cushy,
> >hetrosexual, strathcylde (sp??) university life, might find that this
> >news group indeed has no relevance to your life... 

I don't mean to be nasty or anything, but the way you put that
could alienate the fuck out of people who are your allies.

I am your sister.  And I don't mean to dispute you, and I don't
mean to offend you.  And I thank you for the poem.  

But mind you, I type my support for you and queers like us from
this cushy chair on this university keyboard.

--->sej5g
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From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Help defeat proposed Nicaraguan law against sodomy
Keywords: lesbian, gay, bisexual, homosexual
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:10:13 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, Florida

In article <1992Jul14.131724.3429@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

[Stuff deleted]

>                        And, the Nicaraguan homosexuals are part of 
>the Nicaraguan people. The Jews in Germany were not part of the 
>German people. And, changing Germans for Jews, in any case, would
>not change the answer:

Oh, my.  They weren't, were they?  Then what were the Jews?  Slaves?
Property?  Nonpersons?  I got news for you, Senhor Pinkas: many German
citizens died in the camps.  Check your history.

Unless your post was in error?

Mitchell L. Silverman
Student, New College of the University of South Florida
mitch@cfraix.cfr.usf.edu
mitch@novavax.nova.edu
 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Hmm... if the OCA and CFV passes...
Organization: Youngstown State University
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:02:14 GMT

.. then will alt.politics.homosexuality and soc.motss be available
any more at public universities in those states ?

I'm *SURE* someone will point out that the trivial(?) amount of disk
space these newsgroups consume is still a state resource... I know of
more than one tight-@$$ed bean-counter that's threatened department
budgets over the resources consumed by 'non-educational' newsgroups
like alt.sex....
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Hmm... if the OCA and CFV passes...
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.200214.16132@news.ysu.edu> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
>.. then will alt.politics.homosexuality and soc.motss be available
>any more at public universities in those states ?
>
>I'm *SURE* someone will point out that the trivial(?) amount of disk
>space these newsgroups consume is still a state resource... I know of
>more than one tight-@$$ed bean-counter that's threatened department
>budgets over the resources consumed by 'non-educational' newsgroups
>like alt.sex....

But we could have some fun here :-)
After all what if you post a message advocating homosexuality to a
group such as soc.christian, does that mean they have to remove that
newsgroup to?
What if clarinet runs a UPI article stating the lastest findings
about homosexuality which happen to be supportive, does that mean
they have to cancel clarinet?
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.abortion
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Subject: Re: What *is* Homophobia (formerly: SLAMMING HOMOSEXUALS...)
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:03:27 GMT

From article by Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi):
> In article andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis) writes:
>> From (Suzanne Forgach):
>>>I find it pretty strange to see people advocating something designed for
>>>something totally unrelated -- birth control --, as a method of disease
>>>control!
>>
>>I found a fan in the garbage.  It was one of those types that have a
>>base and the blades are enclosed in a circular metal cage that can
>>rotate relative to the base.  Whatever had held the two parts of the
>>metal cage together had been broken and lost.  I used several grocery
>>ties to hold the two parts of the fan together.  
>>
>>After reading Suzanne's message above, I have to ask myself if I am strange.
>>
> 	Very droll.  And subtle enough for it to go right over the intended
> target's head, possibly.
> 	Not that it matters.  It has already been pointed out to Ms. Forgach
> that her idea of what the condom was designed for is historically inaccurate.
> I suspect she may also be blissfully unaware of just how long the condom
> has been around.  (A hint: it's older than your Holy Book, Ms. F.)

That's exactly right, with one difference.  Condoms were originally made from
animal intestines (sausage skins), and you can still buy lambskin condoms to
this day.  However, I beg to differ as to their original purpose.   Since the
microscope was not yet invented, and bacteria, much less viruses, were not
yet discovered, and in fact, doctors washing their own hands as a means of
preventing the spread of disease from one patient to another was not yet even
considered to be a helpful medical practice, it is clear that the condom's
original purpose was simply to contain the semen and act as BIRTH control.
Disease control was not even yet a _concept_.  In modern times, lambskin has
progressed to rubber, simply because it's cheaper, and it's a mighty flimsy
piece of rubber at that, to be trusting your life with, don'tcha think?

Suzanne Forgach
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.abortion
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:52:23 -0400 
From: Michael Loomis <ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What *is* Homophobia (formerly: SLAMMING HOMOSEXUALS...)
	<1992Jul23.012328.16153@noao.edu>

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.talk.abortion:
23-Jul-92  Re: What *is* Homophobia (f..  Suzanne Forgach@noao.edu (866)    
>I find it pretty strange to see people advocating something designed for
>something totally unrelated -- birth control --, as a method of desease
>control!

I found a fan in the garbage.  It was one of those types that have a
base and the blades are enclosed in a circular metal cage that can
rotate relative to the base.  Whatever had held the two parts of the
metal cage together had been broken and lost.  I used several grocery
ties to hold the two parts of the fan together.  

After reading Suzanne's message above, I have to ask myself if I am strange.

Michael Loomis
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.abortion
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: What *is* Homophobia (formerly: SLAMMING HOMOSEXUALS...)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:42:35 GMT

In article <4ePYYLe00WBO07YlFF@andrew.cmu.edu> ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis) writes:
>Excerpts From Captions of netnews.talk.abortion:
>23-Jul-92  Re: What *is* Homophobia (f..  Suzanne Forgach@noao.edu (866)    
>>I find it pretty strange to see people advocating something designed for
>>something totally unrelated -- birth control --, as a method of desease
>>control!
>
>I found a fan in the garbage.  It was one of those types that have a
>base and the blades are enclosed in a circular metal cage that can
>rotate relative to the base.  Whatever had held the two parts of the
>metal cage together had been broken and lost.  I used several grocery
>ties to hold the two parts of the fan together.  
>
>After reading Suzanne's message above, I have to ask myself if I am strange.
>
	Very droll.  And subtle enough for it to go right over the intended
target's head, possibly.
	Not that it matters.  It has already been pointed out to Ms. Forgach
that her idea of what the condom was designed for is historically inaccurate.
I suspect she may also be blissfully unaware of just how long the condom
has been around.  (A hint: it's older than your Holy Book, Ms. F.)

>Michael Loomis

Chuck
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Preface to Bible-Bashing of Gays
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:31:43 GMT


In article <70273@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a
flying squirrel) writes:

>Jess Anderson:

>>during the weekend I got email from a person who told me I
>>was pretty intimidating to one of their friends.

>[hysterical, doubled-over laughter] 

That's what I thought, too, actually.  I mean, girlfriend,
what *is* this?

>[wiping eyes] Please, dear.  Come over and intimidate a souffle into rising
>in my kitchen.  I'll get a decent '86 Graves from the cave and we'll talk
>dirty to each other: "Knit one, pearl two..."

I think we've got a new convert for Club Suze, btw: our
favorite autodesker is basking in Neuchatel.  Souffles are
not political, so I don't know how to intimidate them.  On
the other hand, and this *is* political, mine have always
been perfect (the trick is beating the whites by hand until
the peaks *just* tip over).

>I miss you.  When are you coming to Sissy Villa again?

Nothing planned in the immediate offing, but I expect one of
these days a 24 Divisidero will pull up in front of the
house, loaded with attitude.  You and I will be sitting on
the front porch being *too* grand (you *do* have long
gloves, I hope), alternately swilling aquavit and toking
splivs, and talking *absolute* filth the whole while!

tra-la

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: bhat@ecr.mu.oz.au (Timothy_Alan_Heath BELL)
Subject: *** OFFENSIVE LYRICS ***
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:21:46 GMT

The following crude, offensive (to me anyway) rewrite of the Queen song
"Bohemian Rhapsody" was posted to a general chat newsgroup at my uni. I'd
like anyone's comments about how to discourage this sort of thing being
posted, and how to tell heteros how offensive things like this can be.

If you don't feel like reading this, hit (n) now.






You have been warned.




Article as posted follows:

	i thought you might like this it was emailed to me ...

	enjoy ....



	BUMHEMIAN RHAPSODY
	==================

	Is this the real life?
	Is this just fantasy?
	Caught with my trousers down
	No escape from reality

	Open your thighs
	Look up to the skies and feel
	I'm just a small boy
	Play with your sex toy
	You can ease it in, ease it out
	Don't stop until I shout
	Put it where the wind blows
	You can put it there for free

	Mama, just killed a man
	I was giving him some head
	He's got AIDS and now he's dead
	Mama, ooh-oooh
	Didn't mean to make you cry
	If I've not come this time tomorrow
	Carry on, carry on, until my arse is shattered

	Too late, you had my bum
	Sends shivers down my spine
	Bottom aching all the time
	Goodbye everybody, I've got AIDS you know
	I was taken from behind, it nearly made me blind

	I see a little silhouetto of a man
	Have a go, have a go, you can do the gang bango
	Thunderbolt and lightning
	You can stick it right in me
	Gay e oh, gay e oh
	Gay e oh, Gay e oh
	Gay e oh, magnifico

	I'm just a rent boy, nobody pays me
	He's just a gay boy, from a gay family
	Spare me a dildo for his tea

	Easy suck, easy blow, will you let me have a go
	Bismillah no, we will not let him blow, let him blow (repeat twice)
	Will not let you blow, let me blow (repeat)
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
	Oh Mamma Mia, Mamma Mia, Mamma Mia let me blow
	Beelzibub, has the Devil put a rubber on me, on me, on meeeee?

	So you think you can leave and fuck up my life?
	If you do, I shall go and tell your wife
	Oh baby, just gotta get in, just gonna stick it in your ear

	Nothing really matters, anyone can see
	My arse is in tatters, it was all done for free
	Take me where the dead go....


Offended?
I was.
Mail me or reply by news (but I may miss it).


Tim.
bhat@ecr.mu.oz.au
From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: SLAMMING HOMOSEXUALS AND PROLIFERS IS BIGOTED
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:38:32 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com  writes:
> In article <1992Jul7.192300.11581@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
> >
> >In THEORY homosexuality is just fine.  
> >In PRACTICE homosexuality is an unmoral cesspool.  
> 
> In THEORY christianity is just fine.
> In Practice christianity is an unmoral cesspool.
> 
> 
> Ry Schwark

--->Couldn't have been better spoken.  Kudos, Ry.
sej5g
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Arguing against sodomy is shooting yourself in the foot...
Keywords: I'm sorry, so sorry....
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:58:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <1992Jul22.211925.28360@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> jamcdani@zia.. ("jennifer mc daniel") writes:

>I have an article which appeared in Sci.psychology a few months 
>back called "Debunking the Kinsey Debunkers." It would take too 
>much bandwidth to repeat here, but I can mail it to anyone 
>interested in what Dr. Reisman and her partners in conservative 
>crime are up to with her book.

I'm interested.  While you're at it, you might bug your system
administrator about fixing your news software so that it supplies a
better return address than "jamcdani@zia.." :-)  (In the meantime, if
you fill in the Reply-To header with your e-mail address, it'll be
easier for people to mail to you.)

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jem6892@zeus.tamu.edu (The Whipping Boy)
Subject: Re: Preface to Bible-Bashing of Gays
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:31:00 GMT


>	Let's pretend for a second, that homosexuality is a lifestyle
>choice. Standing on one's head every night for thirty minutes is a lifestyle
>choice. Does that mean that people should be discriminated against because
>they are head-standers?  "We don't hire head-standers."

But standing on your head is unnatural!  Why, while talking a nice
walk, do I have to see people doing this while I happen to be looking
in their windows?  It's sick!  God didn't mean for people to stand
on their heads;  if he did, he'd have put our feet on our scalps!

Death to podambulists, spreading athlete's foot everywhere!

>  _Sameer_Parekh_zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM_zane@infopls.chi.il.us__________________


James Munger
"And I thought all the homophobes were here at aTm."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.abortion