From: GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:38:30 GMT

In article <Bv8C7B.CAo@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
 
>How do you know this?  Does it follow from the fact that his family was rich?
>Do you not think that he can read economic reports?  Do you not think he's
>smart enough to watch TV?  Tell me, how do YOU know what "American families
>are going through right now"?  Among other things, they are suffering from
>high taxes and business regulation.  Are you interested in doing anything
>about that?  Of course not!
>
 
The real problems facing American families, and Americans in general
have little to do with "high" taxes and business regulation. The real
problems facing America involve EDUCATION (fundamentally!), the environment,
AIDs, health care, the aged, poverty, drugs, and a basic lack of
of long-sighted, honest, intelligent national leadership. Who indeed can show
interest in the issues you mention when these other, real problems
are putting us all to task? Lowering "high" taxes and deregulating
business are the bogus "magic bullets" foisted on us by a generation
of Voodoo Economics witch doctors. These bullets are blanks, no cures for
any of the social and economic ailments from which this country is suffering.
 
>>telling us his conception of a family.
>
>Look, all he said was that it's better to have two parents at home than not.
>Do you disagree with that?  If you think that his little comment is an
>unacceptable intrusion into the private lives of American families, how do
>you feel about the taxes the government imposes on those families?  Is not
>reaching into someone's wallet a bit more intrusive than making a comment in
>a speech?
>
Quayle's crime is reinforcing a bogus definition of what a family is, from
a position  of extreme influence and authority. He is abusing his authority
and avoiding the real issues facing America. 2 parents aren't automatically
better than 1. That's the reason there are so many 1 parent families.
Quayle is telling single parents that they are behaving badly simply because
they have left relationships that were damaging to them and possibly to
their children. This huge authority figure is coming down and telling some
of the most put-upon, long suffering, hardest-working people in our society
that THEY are living the WRONG WAY. In front of their kids, no less.
 
>>I've got news for
>>our vice president....alot of families are working harder, spending less time
>>together, and are losing their ability to survive due to the policies of his
>>party.
>
>Indeed, his party should be doing more to stop the tax-and-spend policies of
>the Democrats and turn the rest of those worker's paychecks back over to them.
>I gather that you think that higher taxes and more business regulation are
>the way to allow families to work less hard, make more money, and spend more
>time together.  That kind of logic escapes me.
>
Let's look at YOUR logic: if my entire tax payment for the year is given back
to me--I can take a couple of months, or an extra day a week off to be with my
family? No.  The business I work for regulates MY TIME on and off the job.
This is REAL business regulation and I'm tired of economic "conservatives"
telling me it works the other way around. Just like I'm tired of social
"conservatives" like Quayle telling me how many people should be in my family.
 
>>It's real easy to sit imperiously and pontificate in his position.
>
>Apparently he's not the only one! ;-)
>
It's ALWAYS easy to sit and pontificate, as we NETusers should know better
than anyone, but none of us has the POWER, AUTHORITY, or INFLUENCE of the
Vice-President of the United States. You can't put a smiley on a press release.
 
>>He has never had a parent walk away from the family, he has never had to tell
>>his kids that there won't be any food on the table, he has never had to go to
>>a homeless shelter, he has never had to give his kids up to foster care because
>>he couldn't support them, he has never had to tell his kids that he couldn't
>>afford to send them to college, he has never stood in an unemployment line,
>>he has never had to live in a car, he has never watched any of his
>>kids gunned down in the street, .... These are things I have seen in my
>>volunteer work everyday.
>
>Do you seriously think that he has never heard of these things?  I know
>Quayle is not too bright, but he's not a vegetable.  Do you think that
>one must live through all of these things in order to understand them?
>Do you seriously disagree with Quayle that all other things being equal,
>2-parent families are better than single parent families?  Would you also say
>that Dan would be out of place to say "AIDS is a terrible disease." since he
>has never personally had AIDS and because he is a rich Republican?
>
>Gimme a break.
>
All other things aren't equal. I disagree with Quayle and his abuse of this
issue to avoid FACING and ACTING on the real problems of America. Quayle
certainly must be aware of these problems, but his attempt to understand them
falls far short of actual realization.
 
>>This is the reality for many American families. Most of these parents love
>>their kids just as much as he loves his.
>
>When did he say otherwise?  All he said was that Hollywood was being bad for
>portraying single parenthood as being equally good a choice as 2-parent
>families.  He said nothing about how much single parents love their kids.
>
His statement implies something is wrong with less than 2-parent families.
He is implying, via his attack on the "media elite" (which is a smoke-screen
to hide the real issues, anyway), that single parents act irresponsibly and
improperly towards their children and so are less loving towards them.
 
>>They make sacrifices for their
>>children everyday that would boggle his puny mind. Until he gets off his
>>high-horse and talks to REAL families and helps REAL families to prosper,
>>all his talk is just so much hypocritical clap-trap.
>
>It appears that he has not cornered the claptrap market yet.
>
>--Brian
>
Indeed.
 
--S.A.G.
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