HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shi6@franck.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:58:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.181430.23897@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.152801.504747@sue.cc.uregina.ca>  
>yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
>> The following is From Mr. Y.  He is not willing to reveal his identity.
>> 
>> 						-- Yan, Yongfei
>>(stuff deleted)
>> Yongfei Yan
>
>I think Lu Gang's incident as well as your articles give me such an impression:
>
>We Chinese are always right. Whatever we do, we have an excuse. If we want to  
>stay here and not go back, we cry that we are prosecuted by CG (which is true  
>to some people). If we are not satisfied with our situation here, we cry that  
>we are oppressed by the Americans. If we are not as good economically as  
>Taiwanese, we balme them for being "snobs". If we see Japanese products in  
>China, we accuse them of economic invasion and constantly remind them of the  
>crimes the ancesters had committed.
>
>What are we? Angels? 
>
>To me, Lu Gang is just a crazy killer. No excuse, period! If he had not killed  
>himself, he would deserve to sit in a gas chamber!
>
>Carl

Nobody said Lu Gang didn't deserve a gas chamber, and nobody ever said he was
rightful. After all, he killed five people. But that doesn't mean it is
meaningless to explore what made him from a scholar into a killer. Jeffery
Daormer (bad sp.) killed 17 but people still tried to investigate him
extensively. What is wrong with that? The article on HXWZ just tries to
say unfairness triggered his killing. I don't think it tries to show
the always-correctness of Chinese. If you see it, you must think whatever
chinese did is out-of-date, incorrect, ...:

Xiang1 Xia4 Ren2 Bu2 Hui4 Zuo4 Shi4

Sheldon
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:25:59 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <1992Nov6.230912.29359@wam.umd.edu>, by shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang):
> In article <1992Nov6.213337.13914@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>>
>>Though I reserve the ownership of my personal data and the right of its ...
>>
> Congratulations! xiaobiao. I'm happy to see you come out. I said that's good
> for you. If every Chinese can follow you, I believe China will have a better
> tomorrow.
> 
> If my previous postings offended you, here I apolagize to you.

Yes, you offended my right much more than you offended my feeling (I should 
thank you for your showing off my favorite).  
Apology accepted.  Have a good weekend.
--
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:43:48
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<101580@bu.edu>
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In-reply-to: lix@thames.bu.edu's message of 11 Nov 92 22:09:06 GMT

    From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
    
    In article <BxKGyD.CLy@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
    >
    >Lu Gang wrote letters to major newspapers and he gave the letters of
    >one of his `friends' to mail out. I wonder who of the following handed in 
    
    According to report, not "one of his `friends'", but 4 or 5 copies to his
    "friends".
    
    >Lu Gang's letters to police and why. 
    
    They were shocked. Please excuse them. And never mention that. Otherwise
    ALL of them will shut you up:-(

I do not understand how some of our people think about law, order, justice,
and free press.

There is one unspoken assumption in the included exchange, which is if Lu
Gang's letter had reached the press it would have been published fully.  I
think that is a simplistic view of the press.  There are "cash for trash"
publishers, but their products are not taken seriously.  Serious publishers
will not publish everything come their way, which people sometime call it
bias.  However, without the discretion of the press, readers might be
overwhelmed by the task of separating truth from spice, and free press will
lost its function or even harm the people.  A example in point was the palm
beach trial, most news papers and networks did not carry the victim's name
until she went public herself.

No matter how "reasonable" was Lu Gang's action, he killed several people.
The police had a duty to investigate.  The friend/s was/were required by the
law to cooperate.  He/they did what he/they should have done when handing over
the letters, not what needed an excuse.
From: DHWalker@uci.edu (David Walker)
Subject: Re: forwarding: Where and Whom to complain about Shannon Yeh's behavior
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:00:48 GMT
X-XXMessage-ID: <A726FB32A3018468@godzilla.nts.uci.edu>
X-XXDate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:02:26 GMT

I wanted to let the readers of soc.culture.china know that I have 
obtained Shannon Yeh's agreement to refrain from the use of obscenity
in future postings, so I will not be removing Netix's connection to the
Internet.  I also made it clear to him that my objection was to the
obscenity and that this implies no public position on the issues he 
raised.

While UCI does provide IP connectivity for Netix, it was an error in 
judgment on the part of our network news administrator, not any 
relationship that UCI has with Netix, that resulted in his postings
coming from UCI's news server rather than one at Netix.  We will rectify 
that situation shortly.

I apologize for the trouble this has caused everyone.  I hope it hasn't
seriously tainted anyone's willingness to participate in these electronic 
discussions.

                                       David Walker
                                       Associate Director, NTS
                                       Office of Academic Computing

                           Addresses:  NTS
                                       University of California
                                       Irvine, CA 92717-5475
                                        (714) 856-7037
                                        DHWalker@uci.edu
From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Two Poems: To Lu Gang
Keywords: To the helpless and the mighty
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:41:51 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.22.8

jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:


>In article <1d9ambINN875@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu) writes:
>|> 			To Lu Gang
>|> 
>|> 			Xiaoping Hu
>|> 
>|> 	1.	To the Helpless
>|> ...
>|> 
>|> 	2. 	To the Mighty
>|> 
>Why didn't you make some peoms for those victims?

>Lin Can

I think the group of poems were given the wrong title. They were not
dedicated to Lu Gang, really. The title should have been something like
"Reflection on the Iowa shooting...."

J. Gao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: a joke
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:10:43 GMT

"Why do you betray your fatherland for the interests of other nation?" One
asked a "D-fighter".
"Can you see a special lane for dog food with abundant stoke in grocery
super market here?" The "D-fighter"  replied.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.164727.2814@athena.cs.uga.edu> fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang) writes:
>General Q:
>Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?

	Ill defined question.  There are different voting systems exist in
various democratic countries.  A system that is good for one country
is not necessarily good for another.

>Sub Q
>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?

	Voting itself always makes sense, but the result may not.  Majority
rule is not always right, that is why there is a limit (say, Constitution)
and all the check and balance stuff.

>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?

	No.  But voting itself generally gives people a (sometimes false)
feeling that they are in control, which is good psychologically.

>(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
>    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 

	Yes.  It has hardly anything to do with education level.  (Just look
at our highly-educated SCC netters.)

>(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
>    three cadidates? 

	Almost zero.  But that is not the point of voting anyway.

>(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
>    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
>    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
>    accept the result?

	First of all, I think you have steoretyped peasants too much.  They
may be smarter than us so called highly-educated people as far as
knowing what they and the country really need.  They certainly won't
vote the same way as the "culture elite" do, however.

	Of course we shall accept the voting result.
 
>(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
>    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
>    country, .......??

	Voting (election) is not the only function of democracy.  You don't
solve all the problems by electing the "right person".

>(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
>    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
>    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?

	Another ill defined question.



	 Eddie
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Gan4Bu4 Ci2Zhi2 30,000 more
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:08:25 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw401

A lot of government officials are resigned, or on unpaid
leave, to start more profitable bussiness

In the province of Liaoning, famous for its Dalian port,
a total of 38936 officials (guo jia gan bu) left their 
post since 1991 to get a better job, including 700 who
started their bussiness to be an entrepreneur. Official 
magazine ( ZhongGuo QingNian) admitted that the main reason
for them to leave is to get a better pay. There's other 
reasons: many GanBu fear that they will be sacked in the 
near future due to political reform.

Many cheer for this while others worry that it will cause
quality of government officials to be worse and leads to
more corruption.
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:05:42
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<yzhou.720899549@void> <1992Nov6.125436.3430@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>
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In-reply-to: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au's message of 6 Nov 92 12:54:35 +1000

    From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
    
      Bill Clinton is elected. However, he need to wait for another two
    months before he can take the job. Many things could happen during
    this two months time. If, say, Mr Clinton unfortunately die in an 
    accidence (God bless Bill) during this period, who would be the next
    US president ?

Al Gore.
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:07:15
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov11.180932.17377@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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In-reply-to: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU's message of 11 Nov 92 18:09:32 GMT

Just saw on tv about how Columbus/Spain brought christianity to the New World.
It was said that when the local people drove some 600 soldiers under Columbus'
command out their city somewhere in Mexico, small pox was left behind.  At
that time, the Europeans had been sick before and developed some immunity to
small pox and other diseases but the people in the New World had never
encountered those diseases.  As a result, the native people were getting sick
in droves, died in piles with some died of thirsty because nobody around was
healthy and able to take care of the sick.  On the other hand, the Europeans
seemed to the natives not to be bothered by the diseases because of the God
they worship.  So for the protection, the natives converted in masses into
Christine and old temples were scavenge for material for new churches.  So the
diseases in fact provided the Europeans with a weapon more formidable than
guns and helped in certain way to spread Christianity in the New World.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:06:16 GMT

In article <lg2tsqINN8fv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <PI.92Nov10203322@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>>
>>>   A country has been ill for so many years, unless there comes a foreign 
>>>   invasion, Chinese people seem don't care of everything!!
>>
>>I intend to agree with your previous part (deleted), but why does China
>>need a foreign invation? By whom? American, or African? Or by Vietnamese?
>>
>By JA PAPA, and Korean uncles! 
>
>It is interesting that many people in Beijing and Shanghai started to
>say: KO NI CHI WA! Or Ko Na Sha Mi Da to anyone who looks like not
>local Chinese. Especially to those who hold camcorder on hand, they are
>treated as JA Papa (like American Papa).
>
>


  You mean just like Taiwan a couple decades ago.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jiang@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Fenglai Jiang)
Subject: Re: Did your personal attacks prove anything, or solve any problems?
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:05:29 GMT

In article <2AF8A23F.7343@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>Did your personal attacks prove that 
>
>Did your personall attacks prove that 
>
>shannon
>-------
>

	You should ask youself about your personal attacks.  Did your personal attacks prove that you are right and others are wrong?  Did your those crazy Chinese character posts help you for anything? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~})
Subject: Re: [faq/fft] SOC.CULTURE.CHINA (SCC)
Organization: ~~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:24:06

.
--

~~{5K6,F=~~}
From: gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FAQ - Networking in China
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:02:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: csgo.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov10.160009.6813@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
>China is connected to internet via Carlsruhe Institute in Germany.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                    University of Karlsruhe
From: rolandw@Ice.ATM.Dal.Ca (Roland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:51:48 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>Shame on you, godless Chinese!
>
>When you do NOT have God in your heart,
>
>	you think Mao Zedong your God;
>        you think Deng Xiaoping your God;
>        you think CCP your God;
>        you think KMT your God;
>        you think China your God;
>        you think the 5000-year-history your God;
>        you think Confucius your God;
>        you think your family your God;
>        you think yourself your God;
>        you think your ancestor your God;
>        you think your brother your God;
>        you think your wife your God;
>        you think your son your God;
>        you think your girlfriend your God;
>        you think your friend your God;
>        you think money your God;
>        you think your job your God;
>        you think your Ph.D. degree your God;
>        you think your knowledge your God;
>        you think America your God;
>        you think IFCSS your God;
>        you think MFN your God;
>        you think democracy your God;
>        you think economy your God;
>        you think greencard your God;
>        you think your computer your God;
>        you think your body your God;
>        you think garbage your God;
>        you think Godlessness your God.
>
>Shame on you, godless Chinese!


	 YOU THINK GOD YOUR GOD???????????
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: petertu@windslc.seri.gov (Peter Ol'Tu)
Subject: Excessive & Compulsory Behavior (was:to complain about Shannon --) 
Organization: Nat'l Renewable Energy Lab (NREL (was SERI))
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:32:31 GMT

xliao@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:

>.Subject: Whom to complain about Shannon's behavior

Shannon is a typical case of "Excessive & compulsory behavior".

The only way out is that either to have Shannon to get help from
a psychiatrist (hopefully, some psychiatric treatment would help) 
or to put up with him by all of us because he will never quit!

There is no use to complain to his system manager.

-- 
Disclaimer: Of course, don't be ridiculous! The article doesn't represent 
            the viewpoint of my Laboratory and should not be liable for 
            any legal or moral dispute.                      - Peter Ol'Tu
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: China/US trade war?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:18:31 GMT

1. The US should fight more with Germany and Japan instead of China 
   economically.  But it seems that the Americans keep buying many
   Japanese cars.  

2. It is impossible for the current Chinese government to admit that
   they are practising the capitalism ways--they will do it, but they
   will never admit it.  So, the US will keep fighting with China politically,
   thru some economical tricks.

3. China is different from those islands such as Japan, Taiwan, Hongkong.
   China's economy needs import/export things, but it does NOT depend
   on any specific foreign market.

4. China is a big country, and its stabality is part of the world 
   stabability.  If some countries decide to screw China, some other countries
   will cooperate/support China.  (History proves this, too.)  I do not think
   that Clinton will initiate another cold war or hot war, if he is logical.
   However, I have to use "who knows" to describe Clinton.  I got a feel
   that he might treat the modern communism in the same way as JFK treated
   the traditional communism in 1960s.  Both JFK and Clinton became 
   presidents when they were young, and young politicians are always like
   "xin1guan1 shang4ren4 3 ba3huo3", and like to tell the world "look,
   I can handle this world well".

5. Hongkong will be dead if a trade war happens between China and US.  The
   German people do not buy HongKongnese's shit, the Japanese people prefers
   to deal with China directly.  

shannon
-------
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CEDIT30 - A Chinese Word Processor
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <17291@pitt.UUCP> ding@cs.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>
>I have uploaded cedit30.exe.  To download,

Does it use the traditional or the simplified character set?

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Two Poems: To Lu Gang
Keywords: To the helpless and the mighty
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:22:26 GMT

In article <gaojeng.721107711@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1d9ambINN875@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu) writes:
>>|> 			To Lu Gang
>>|> 
>>|> 			Xiaoping Hu
>>|> 
>>|> 	1.	To the Helpless
>>|> ...
>>|> 
>>|> 	2. 	To the Mighty
>>|> 
>>Why didn't you make some peoms for those victims?
>
>>Lin Can
>
>I think the group of poems were given the wrong title. They were not
>dedicated to Lu Gang, really. The title should have been something like
>"Reflection on the Iowa shooting...."
>
>J. Gao
I am sorry to bring up the tragedy again. I remember somebody wrote that
policemen tempted the letter Lu Gang wrote? I wonder what to hide:
  Lu Gang complained respectable guy making advancement?
That is wild speculation. Do not blame me if  you try to hide something.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:16:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.215855.20510@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau) writes...
>Hello netter,
> 
>      I am american, but I am not vote for the president last week
>because I am not interest into vote any president.  I am sick of the
>president ever I saw them for my life.  I don't like vote for president
>every 4 year because too often for me.  I wish to vote for the president
>every 6 years.
> 
>      I agreed someone whom posted into this groupnews that they are
>waste paper and pencial for everyone to vote it.  It's waste nature
>sources.  (I don't remember who posted it a few days after election day.)
> 
>      American,  Please don't personal attack into the Social Chinese
>Culture.  SCC is discuss about Culture itself.  Why do you put the
>stupid subject likes "Chinese, Are You Jealous?"  It's kind stupid to
>me.  I don't vote anything, I am jealous???  Not!  I read this newsgroup
>because I am interested into Chinese Culture and Taiwan Culture.  I
>don't take "soc.culture.us" (I think) because I am not interested into
>American Culture.  Thanks you for your cooperation.
> 
>Your friendly user,
>(Jeramey Rambeau)
>E-mail: jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu
> 

Let's put aside the subject of this post first.

I want to talk about the identity of its auther. Because I am so confused
with this master piece.Fortunately there are not many possibilities.

1. He or she (sorry,I can't tell the sexuality from his/her name) is 
really an american.
Then congratulations! You are a very good comedian. But I don't appreciate
your way of criticizing our stubben English by imitating us.Further more,
I have been reading posts from this group for a while,and I have not seen
any one said things like "I am interested into..." or "I agreed someone whom
..".

2. He/She is not an american. Then your post is not worthy of being evaluated
at all because it is from a disonest person.

3. Oh,I almost forget,he/she maybe a non-native american.Then I am grateful
for your time and effort.Your comments are welcome,and please excuse me for 
my sarcastic tone posted here.