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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Gerry Faust and the Liberty Bowl
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:09:45 GMT

Justin Frederich writes:

>This is the kind of shit that makes me want to puke !

Good grief.  I never thought I would insight this much intestinal violence by 
this post.  I got an e-mail flame (arguably deserved - Sorry Greg) for a rather
smart-assed comment, but this one is another story.

>Pat, if Notre Dame is as high and mighty as you and a few others always
>suggest , they would quit blaming the begging bowl people etc. for scenes
>like you describe above.

I hate to break it to you, Justin, but my story was true.  The team voted to 
decline the bowl bid because they thought it would be degrading to take it 
after such a poor regular season performance.

But face the facts.  Notre Dame puts butts in the stands.  And the bottom line 
(so to speak) is how many seats can you occupy.  East Carolina may very well 
have been more deserving based on their record in the 1983 season, but chances 
are they might not have drawn as well in Memphis.  And this is what the Liberty
Bowl committee eventually must have looked at when the decided to by-pass ECU 
and re-invite Notre Dame.

     - Pat

 As I said in another post , there was a damn good
>E. Carolina team that was 8-3 that year (with the losses being by only
>a few points to Florida, Florida State, and Miami) that sure as hell should
>have gone to the bowl before a sorry-ass Faust led 6-5 Notre Dame.
>
>I know you can't keep Notre Dame from wheeling and dealing for every
>advantage in the book and all the money they can grab but you sure as
>hell can come off your 'holier than thou' stance and start admitting
>that there are some reasons why Notre Dame is the second most hated school
>in the USA. 
>
>And Notre Dame beating BC by a whole point in that game doesn't have a
>damn thing to do with the fact that they should have just said no.
>
>Justin - I guess I stayed nice as long as I could - Frederich
>
>
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From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: It's "PIG"skin time
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:15:00 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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Its that time of year again for Minnesota to take back
the farm boy's favorite barn-yard animal- Floyd!

Here piggy piggy piggy.....

(Please insert big smiley!!!)

All I hope for is 'Sota to make it a good game.

Tom
Go Gophs... Grab the Pig !

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From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 4 YARDS AWAY FROM SYRACUSE UPSET.. MIAMI, 16-10..
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:48:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov22.084853.19779
Organization: Western Washington University

delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:




> I CAN"T BELIEVE IT!!! 5 SECONDS TO GO, AND GRAVES COMPLETES A PASS TO THE
>FOUR YARD LINE, NO TIME OUTS!!!!! MIAMI WINS 16-10... UGH!! UGH!! UGH!!!!!

Miami has come SO close to losing SO many times!!! Not a very convincing #1.
I look forward to seeing Alabama and Texas A&M to see if they're more
deserving. Being on west coast, I haven't seen either yet. 'til then I have
to think FSU is the best team out there. Despite the missed field goal.

-Brian Harper

> 
>-- 
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


>      
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------   
>1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
>1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

>Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

>If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
>If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
>out of Green Bay...
>A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: no respect in the AP
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 03:03:30 GMT

Texas A&M fans relax, you're not the first team to be ranked behind
a team that has a worst record.

1970, Nebraska won the AP MNC with a 11-0-1 record while Toledo
finished 12th with a 12-0 mark.

1973, Miami(OH) finished #15 despite having a 12-0 record (better than
AP MNC Notre Dame's 11-0 mark but hey, they're Notre Dame!)

1975, Arkansas State finished 11-0 unranked while Oklahoma 11-1 won the 
AP MNC.


So take heart Aggies, we'll always remember the '92 Texas A&M team with the
MAC powerhouses Toledo and Miami of the early 70's and the '75 indians



John L

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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:48:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov23.004215.2075@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K.
 S. Manu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.014417.74436@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (M
ICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>>In article <1em1e8INNga1@agate.berkeley.edu>, hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (Willia
m
>>Hackett) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What about UCLA,USC,Stanford,Cal, Texas,Texas A&M,Rice , and Houston
>>>forming a Super Texas California Conference to Dominate The East Coast
>>>in everything.  Acacdemically would be one of the stongest conferences
>>>bar none including Ivy Leauge..  All Schools have a descent Academic
>>>record..  Atheletically With Texas TexasA&M UCLA USC perenally football
>>>powers.  Stanford and Texas womens basketball, baseball,Track, Swimming
>>>and Diving top 5...  UCLA Stanford Texas and Houston Basketball powers
>>>
>>>Hey this conference has it all. Then Pac Ten can expand adding a couple
>>>of teams maybe a San Jose St.... SWC can add UTEP and UTSA or maybe
>>>we just merge whats left of those conferences...
>>>
>>>Texas and Calfornia Team up to End EAST COAST BIAS and create the best
>>>conference in everything :-) Bar NONE!!!
>>Except the ACC Basketball, Football.  Academics: Duke, UVa, Wake, Clemson, Ga.
>
>Academics! ACC! Hmm.. this is getting more funnier every day.
More funnier, what the fuck type of english is that, an ACC student uses
proper English (I will be attending the University of Maryland next semester)
Can the same be said for Colorado?

>One would assume that PAC10 (Stanford, Cal, UCLA ) or Big10 (Michigan,
>NWestern, Purdue, Illinois...) would come ahead.
>(Not counting Ivy league, of course)
>
>>Tech, Maryland and UNC  Golf, Women's Basketball:  Va, Maryland etc.  I
>>suppose I could go on, But there is only so much I can say to an Idiot like
>>you except that not only does the ACC currently exist, but this T/C conference
>>is just impossible, read any of the earlier posts about UofT and aTm getting
>>held hostage by the Texas Legislature.  Grow A Brain.
>>--
>>MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
>
>Njan
>
As I said, Ga. Tech, UVa, Clemson, Wake Forest, Duke, UNC and Maryland
(Although I'll grant you that FSU and NC State can't count to 21 with their
pants on)
-- 
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:15:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <vzG=tV#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>In article <BILLMS.92Nov19185113@gip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov19.202837.21682@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@meriadoc.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>> What teams has WSU lost to, and which ones has it beaten? 
>
>	WSU lost to some PAC-10 team.  And beat some PAC-10 teams.
>half of which, not including WSU are ranked top twenty five.  
>WSU played at least 5 ranked teams this year.  Maybe more depending on
>their non-conference schedule.

WSU lost to Stanford, at Stanford, and Oregon at home.  The only ranked teams
they have beaten are Arizona, USC, and now Washington.  They have only 
played 4 top 25 teams (UW, USC, Arizona, and Stanford).  Their out
of conference schedule...well... stunk.. They played Montana, Fresno State,
and Temple.  In conference they managed to avoid UCLA and California.

In comparison, Iowa has lost to NCState, Miami, Colorado, Michigan, 
Purdue, and Ohio State, all but one of them is ranked in the top 15!!!
There schedule has been VERY tough, and before this weekend (with WSU 
beating UW and Iowa losing) I would have given them the edge as well.

But, now things are kinda academic...
-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: fichigan fumbles
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:56:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.002637.17707@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

   >I got two words for ya fichigan folk:
   >national championship.

   >WRONG!

   >Sure made this illini alum happy to at least kick the wolves
   >out of the national championship lottery...
   >makes amends for some rather pathetic games this year.

   >c'mon buckeys, do it to em next.  fichigan blows.

   >::j


Don't listen to him, people.  He's just an anti-Michigan stooge.
Exby's anti-Michigan sentiments are well-know on the net, so take
anything he posts about Michigan with a truckload of salt.  That'll
make the truckload of bullshit taste better.





-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
From: MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:53:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>, JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com says:
>
>This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.

It wasn't that Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game; it's that they didn't
belong in one of the "Big" bowl games (Cotton, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar).

Obviously a drooling Notre Dame fan is incapable of mastering the distinction.

Another thing that made folks hereabouts mad was that Notre Dame, with a
worse record, and a loss to Penn State, went to a "better" bowl game than
did PSU. (Sugar vs. Fiesta).

>Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?

Are they really out of the Top 25 teams? Your information must be different
than that of the AP and CNN/USA Today polls. I saw them at 23. mus

You really think a team with 4 losses can't go to ANY bowl game? I'll agree,
PSU doesn't deserve to be in the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, etc., but they're
just right for the Blockbuster. (The Blockbuster was hoping to score a coup
and get a better team than they could normally expect, but c'est la vie.)
----
Mike Dahmus       MXD118@PSUVM  or  dahmus@cs.psu.edu
TEAM OS/2
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: running up scores+ties
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.1539.17833@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
>Research has shown that only Oklahoma, Florida State, and Notre Dame
>have been accorded more respect when playing at Miami during the
>last five years. Furthermore, most of those teams could not even come
>within seven points of the Hurricanes in Miami. (OU lost by 12 and
>9, ND by 17, and 24, and FSU by 16 in 1986, 31 in 1988, 13 in 1990,
>before finally losing by 3 in 1992).
In the Orange Bowl on 1/1/88, Oklahoma lost by only 6 points -- 20-14.

But your point is well taken. I was a big Big-Eight hater then. My
feeling was that Oklahoma/Nebraska always managed to run up the scores
against their little brothers and get higher than deserved rankings.
When matched against the real teams, they usually choked.

>National Championships decided by teams going, or not going for ties
>
>1990-1991 Colorado? The Buffaloes were 10-1-1. 
>
>1988-1989 Miami(11-1) went for two against Notre Dame(12-0) and failed.
>
>1987-1988 Florida St. 11-1 failed on a late 2 pt conversion attempt ....
>
>1983-1984 Nebraska(11-1) went for two versus Miami(11-1), failing ....

Notice in the past few years, there haven't been too many instances of the
MNC decided by made/failed 2-pt conversions. However, look at the success
rate of the two-point conversion in general. Is it only converted 1/3
or 1/4 of the time? It's simply a high risk low yield play.

In the above cases, the contenders that went for two for wins all lost 
the games and thus the MNC. And there haven't been one single example
that a team goes for two, makes it, and wins the MNC because of that win.

In other words, going for two is a macho, but stupid thing to do. If
the national championship is on the line, a coach with any sense should 
always go for the championship instead of the W.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 is ACC of College Football
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:02:20 GMT
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov23.041811.24421@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.edu (John Gossman) writes:
|> Path: ryn.mro4.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!uwm.edu!ogicse!henson!n8443916
|> From: n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.edu (John Gossman)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
|> Subject: PAC-10 is ACC of College Football
|> Message-ID: <1992Nov23.041811.24421@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
|> Date: 23 Nov 92 04:18:11 GMT
|> Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov23.041811.24421
|> Organization: Western Washington University
|> Lines: 17
|> 
|> 
|> 	The 8 bowl eligible teams in the Pac-10 are 19-4-1 against
|> all non-conference foes, with two of the losses being to #1 Miami 
|> and #3 Texas A&M (and each of those could have easily gone the
|> other way).  But as a result of pummeling each other, only UW
|> will be going to a major Bowl (well Stanford may get into the
|> Blockbuster, but that has more to do with Penn St. being weak and
|> Bill Walsh than respect for the Pac-10).  
|> 	I wish we had a 64-team tourney like in basketball.  Then
|> we could hear the pollsters (especially the damned coaches, UW #13
|> get that s***  out of here) say "Wow, 6 Pac-10 teams in the Sweet
|> Sixteen, they must have been tougher than we thought" every year,
|> just like they underestimate the ACC in Basketball every year.

When has the ACC been underestimated in hoops?  Whatever drug you are using,
I want some.  The ACC is a beast, and that is well known to all!

|> 	Of course, that would add 5 more weeks to College Football
|> season (hmmmm, maybe not so bad after all).
|> 
|> 	-JG
|> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: Cougars CRUSH Huskies!
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
	<1992Nov22.084310.17281@u.washington.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.084310.17281@u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:

       Probably not, he got his "education" at WSU
       You piece of shit, can't you accept your gift gracefully? 
       Maybe this gift will make you forget you are living in a shit-hole
       called Pullman, at least till you wake up in a pile of cow shit.  

       We Huskies know why WSU is such a magnet for recruiting such high-caliber
       players:

       10.  View from dorm room of the barren Palouse is not as distracting as view
       of majestic Mount Rainier and Lake Washington;

       9.  Second-rate talents don't have to worry about competing with top blue-
       chip recruits for starting positions;

       8.  Annual chance to play against national championship contenders;

       7.  Free batteries;

       6.  NCAA never investigates program because Pullman is just a lame friggin'
       town that's just too damn cold;

       5.  Limited fan interest and media coverage prevents hounding mobs of
       autograph-seeking babes from infringing on player's valuable free time;

       4.  Inland empire of Spokane less than an hour away after social opportunities
       in Pullman have been exhausted.  Seattle just five hours away once Spokane
       opportunities are exhausted that same evening;

       3.  Stringent junior-high-caliber academic standards rarely cause players to
       be ineligible;

       2.  Opportunity to visit Seattle every two years;

       1.  Family holiday plans never disrupted by annoying rose bowl appearances.

       So you think the Palosers deserve to play in a bowl game?  I guess you'll
       have to create your own bowl.  Maybe you can call it, "The Big, Slow, Didn't-
       Get-recruited-by-any-other-schools-and-education-isn't-that-important-anyway
       Bowl".  Don't forget to bring a battery charger for Bobo!

       Don't the sororities get mad at you for tipping their pledges over for fun?

       Why don't you stop celebrating and go back to work on your final EE project,
       programming the commodore 64.


What an amazing jerk!

			Richard
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.192151.9245@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) writes:

>        After all, the Aggies topped
>        Stanford, which blitzed Notre Dame, by the way who put
>        a tie on the unblemished record of Michigan.  The Ags, also
>        defeated Houston handidly, which manhandled Illinois,
>        who also tied Michigan and who also ripped Ohio State ---
>        the top two teams in the Big Ten.

Yea, Illinois beat Ohio State, who beat Syracuse, who beat Texas, who beat
everyone else in the SWC (and will beat A&M).  Sorry, bud, but noone on
this newsgroup is stupid enough to believe in the Law of Transitivity
like you....

Pat
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:27:17 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.221918.19320@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>If you watched ESPN, you would have seen Lee Corso constantly bashing
>>A&M in favor of FSU. What makes him suspect is that he is a FSU alumni.
>>A lot of AP pollsters may have be influenced by his propaganda.
>
>Oh come now, a person would have to be a complete twit to be infulenced by
>anything Meeks....er, Corso says. Most people here at FSU can't stand the guy,
>and we all swear he really went to UF...couldn't be and FSU grad. :)
>Of course, we are talking about pollsters so....maybe there is a chance they
>were influenced by him...they are all of the same mold after all.
>
>Kevin


Hey, be nice...  And besides, I didn't go to FSU, I went to Purdue...


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davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 17-Nov
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:29:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
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schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:

>Here are my computers rankings through 17-Nov-92.

>Dallas remains #1 even with their loss due to Philadelphia's loss and
>San Francisco's narrow win.

oops.  Sorry this was supposed to go to r.s.f.p.

Kevin
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: AGGIES SUCK!!!
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.145133.875@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> brook@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Brookover)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.234048.21903@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
>kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>I recently found this definition of the word Aggie in Webster's dictionary:
>>
>>Aggie - n. 1. an asshole whose size is so extraordinary that the Eiffel tower
>>       fits inside with only moderate lubrication. 2. a large conglomeration
>>       of hicks into what has been called a "school". adj. 3 the USUALLY 
>>       undesirable condition of a part of the body, especially genitalia.
>>       usage: Your penis is Aggie.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>Are we feeling a bit insecure today?
>
>later,
>
>mgb
>

WOAH!!! GOT ME ANOTHER BITE!!! HEY CLIFF, THE FISHIN' HERE IS GREAT!!! YOU
SHOULD DROP IN A LINE FOR YOURSELF!

:)

Kevin the Seminole Shark (gobbling up all the little fishies in the sea)