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From: birdman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Kush)
Subject: Re: Thoughtful insight
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:28:12 GMT

In article <pershing.722488829@teal> pershing@teal.csn.org (Paul Pershing) 
	writes: 

>birdman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Kush) writes: 

>>Ten feet.  Definitely. (In re: If you tear out your guts, ignite them, etc) 

>Anyone over the age of, oh, say 28, 32, 36, posting here?

I *hope* not.  At least, I hope I grow out of this when *I* get that old.

>I don't _think_ so.

Three out of four ain't bad.
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From: jmoore@lab2.smcm.edu (Joshua D. Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: dante
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:56:49 GMT

In article <mooreej.722008488@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>  
mooreej@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Edward J. Moore) writes:
> bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE) writes:
> 
> 
> >  Source is "The Divine Comedy," from the "Inferno" part.  As for  
whether it is
> >"abandon all hope, ye who enter here." or "abandon hope, all ye who  
enter here."
> >It's neither, Dante didn't write in English, he wrote in Italian(me  
thinks).
> >Therefore, the correct quote would be in Italian.  It could probably be
> >translated as either of the two versions you mentioned.
> 
> Funny, I thought the quote came out of Revelations.  I may be shooting
> blanks, I don't know, cause I'm not well versed in the Bible, but maybe
> someone who is could answer this question.
> 
> "Speshul" Ed.


it did indeed come from the first book of the divine comedy, inferno the  
other parts are pugatorio, and paradisio, hell, purgatory and heaven. it  
details the authors trip through these planes of reality looking for his  
girlfriend who had died.  it was written in latin as that was the language  
of the educated at the time, and one of the little quirks of latin is that  
word order is irrelevant so i imagine that it doesnt matter which of the  
two translations you use, it is personal interpritation.  little note,  
dante put a great many church officials, notably the pope of the time and  
the archbishop of the city he was from, in hell.

-samael.
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From: mooreej@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Edward J. Moore)
Subject: Re: dante
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:54:48 GMT

bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE) writes:


>  Source is "The Divine Comedy," from the "Inferno" part.  As for whether it is
>"abandon all hope, ye who enter here." or "abandon hope, all ye who enter here."
>It's neither, Dante didn't write in English, he wrote in Italian(me thinks).
>Therefore, the correct quote would be in Italian.  It could probably be
>translated as either of the two versions you mentioned.  You could always find
>a Lit book(I'm sure an English teacher can find you one with that part of
>Dante's work (suggesting that someone should ask an english teacher, how evil
>can you get)).

Funny, I thought the quote came out of Revelations.  I may be shooting
blanks, I don't know, cause I'm not well versed in the Bible, but maybe
someone who is could answer this question.

"Speshul" Ed.


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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:20:01 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <T08HuB12w165w@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi>, jute@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi (Jussi Kantola) writes:
> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
> 
>> Has it ever occured to anybody that saying you are a satanist merely because 
>> hate christianity is still buying into christianity?
> 
> Possibly not, because that's not the case.  Being a satan-worshipper
> could be more like it, but being a satanist has nothing to do with
> christianity or, in fact, any other "actual" religion.
> 
> Satanism is 'a strive to be the (a?) deity'.  It's got nothing to
> do with black robes and goats and anything like that at all.
> 
> Btw, I'm an atheist, not a satanist.

Then please don't post about something of which you obviously know nothing.

(pet peeve=idiots who think they know what "real" Satanism is)

--The Antichrist
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:30:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov23.195229.9460@nmsu.edu>, dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
> To clarify my point:
> 
> I believe that any activity which takes up a large portion of time is a
> controlling influence. If you spend all your time complaining about 
> Christianity running your brain, deprogramming your kid brother, etc,
> then it influences you. A Satanist is a reverse Christian, pure and
> simple. This is because the satanist takes the standard Christian mythos
> and turns it around. I worship Satan instead of God, I mutilate myself
> (or claim to in silly postings to alt.evil) and so on. It accomplishes
> nothing at all. A pagan or freethinker, by contrast, comes up with either
> a new mythos or one that has no reference to christianity or anything else.
> 
> dleland@nmsu.edu

How many Satanists have you talked with who share your views?

Is self-mutilation evil?

--The Antichrist  
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From: usenet@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (usenet dummy)
Subject: Re: Evil resides in Philly
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:05:31 GMT

In article <92321.170744LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> <LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   I am tainted love
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^

wow.  I've always wanted to be a song by the group Soft Cell.  can I
be the song "Sex Dwarf"?  i like the part about "luring disco dollies
to a life of vice"...

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From: vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (David Vincenzetti)
Subject: Re: dante
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:14:06 GMT

In <By0yM2.5n8@rice.edu> garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:

>>"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi, ch'entrate!"
>  ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^^^^
>  abandon  all  hope	       who enter ye
>
>Roughly speaking...I don't know what `voi' means, as my Italian is a 
>little rusty.

Mine is good, I don't know why. Translation:

>>"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi, ch'entrate!"
>  ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^^^^
    abandon  all  hope     you  that enter [here]

-- 
David Vincenzetti                Email: vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it
Dept of CS, via Comelico 41,     Phone: ++39 2 55006 39{1,2}
I-20135 Milan, ITALY             Fax  : ++39 2 55006 373
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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:16:45 GMT

Has it ever occured to anybody that saying you are a satanist merely because you
hate christianity is still buying into christianity? You accept the standard
christian mythos hook line and sinker, you just turn it around and say you
hate what you should like, trample the cross, ect. If it wasn't so all pervasive
and all powerful in the mind, you wouldn't go to so much trouble to desecrate
it. It seems to me that if you really were a "free thinker" you'd make up your own
religion and your own practices. You'd make up a creation myth and some sort of
explanation for the world, and so on. And of course you'd be stuck having to 
explain the same problems that every religion has had to explain for so long,
and good luck to you if you think you can explain it any better than anybody else.

But why waste so much effort on something you hate as much as you say you do?
If Christianity doesn't control your life, then why are you spending so much time
trying to bring it down? If I saw someone claim that they weren't controlled by
a thing, then they spent all their time trying to destroy it, I'd say they were lying.
From: 6500null@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Null Cypher)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: dante
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:46:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.195023.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:



[deleted]

>Oh, yeah, I just remembered this is alt.evil, not alt.dante. Well, I gotta
>question. Is it true that when you cut someone's head off, their brain is
>still alive for a brief time? I heard that they could even look around with
>their eyes, but this seems too far out. I haven't found a decent chopping
>instrument yet....

>--The Antichrist

There is that legend about the French Revolution....

Some guy lost his head on the guillotine (sp?) and the head was still
alive, and LOOKING AROUND for a little bit.

Disclaimer: could be bullshit

P.S. RRRROOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
                                               --------------------------------
                                               Null - 6500null@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
                                               --------------------------------
From: jac17@po.CWRU.Edu (John A. Chiaverini)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: dante
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:26:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jac17@po.CWRU.Edu (John A. Chiaverini)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


is it "abandon all hope, ye who enter here." or "abandon hope, all ye
who enter here."?
source?

-- 
"when you pay off the first                             john chiaverini
baseman every month, who gets   	              jac17@po.cwru.edu
the money?"				     gate man sees name, garage
'every dollar of it.'		             man sees name tag.
From: lhk2@po.CWRU.Edu (Lucas H. Kuzma)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:35:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: lhk2@po.CWRU.Edu (Lucas H. Kuzma)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) says:

>Has it ever occured to anybody that saying you are a satanist merely because you
>hate christianity is still buying into christianity? You accept the standard
>christian mythos hook line and sinker, you just turn it around and say you
>hate what you should like, trample the cross, ect. If it wasn't so all pervasive
>and all powerful in the mind, you wouldn't go to so much trouble to desecrate
>it. It seems to me that if you really were a "free thinker" you'd make up your own
>religion and your own practices. You'd make up a creation myth and some sort of
>explanation for the world, and so on. And of course you'd be stuck having to 
>explain the same problems that every religion has had to explain for so long,
>and good luck to you if you think you can explain it any better than anybody else.
>
>But why waste so much effort on something you hate as much as you say you do?
>If Christianity doesn't control your life, then why are you spending so much time
>trying to bring it down? If I saw someone claim that they weren't controlled by
>a thing, then they spent all their time trying to destroy it, I'd say they were lying.
>

Oh how true! Yet, why invent a religion at all?
Can one be truly free in thought if one first
invents a set of values and morals to follow?
-- 
"I too have been in the underworld, like Odysseus, and shall yet return
there often; and not only sheep have I sacrificed to be able to talk
with a few of the dead, but I have not spared my own blood."
From: Alex Raftis
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: dante
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:15:32 GMT
Reply-To: alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

Null Cypher writes
>>Oh, yeah, I just remembered this is alt.evil, not alt.dante. Well, I gotta
>>question. Is it true that when you cut someone's head off, their brain is
>>still alive for a brief time? I heard that they could even look around with
>>their eyes, but this seems too far out. I haven't found a decent chopping
>>instrument yet....
>
>>--The Antichrist
>
>There is that legend about the French Revolution....
>
>Some guy lost his head on the guillotine (sp?) and the head was still
>alive, and LOOKING AROUND for a little bit.
>

Well, baring shock, which I assume most people would enter, you've
got about three minutes of life left in you. You should be able to move
your eyes and hear, as well as feel touch on your skin. Also, were
someone to supply air, you could probably even vocalize. Now there'd
be an eye witness report. 

Alex
--
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From: jute@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi (Jussi Kantola)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:01:52 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Splattersday

dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:

> Has it ever occured to anybody that saying you are a satanist merely because 
> hate christianity is still buying into christianity?

Possibly not, because that's not the case.  Being a satan-worshipper
could be more like it, but being a satanist has nothing to do with
christianity or, in fact, any other "actual" religion.

Satanism is 'a strive to be the (a?) deity'.  It's got nothing to
do with black robes and goats and anything like that at all.

Btw, I'm an atheist, not a satanist.

---
jute@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi (Jussi Kantola) from Paltamo, Finland
"Hey, you're a real cool boy you" -- Z.B. -- DNA
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From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Subject: Re: Happy thought
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:46:35 GMT

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: 
:    Most of Preterm's abortion staff didn't volunteer to work ``seconds''.
:    Late first trimester POCs were hard enough.  The counselor/medical
:    assistants (CMAs) met regularly to discuss their feelings about
:    their work, and often the discussion focused on the POC.  Inside
:    a procedure room, facing the contents of the uterus, there was
:    no denying what abortion was." 
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

		Fun?
^
From: U30644@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: Thoughtful insight
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:15:59 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <2rs1s_g@rpi.edu>, wilusd@cary106.its.rpi.edu (David John Wilusz)
says:
>
>        If I were to surgically remove my intestines, without using pain
>killers, and given, of course, that I did not pass out, and toss them in front
>of me, say, 10 feet onto a table, then proceed to light my intestines on
>fire...WHERE would I feel the pain?  INSIDE my body, even though my intestines
>now rest some 10 feet OUTSIDE of my body?  Or would I feel it 10 feet in front
>of me?
>
>        Is this the type of thought-stimulating material this group once had?
>Are creative ways of abuse now a part of alt.evil's past?  Is
>Christian-bashing
>the only way readers of evil can fill up the space?  Are narrow-minded,       t
>ignoran
>athiests, satanists, and the like the only ones who post sadistic, moronic,
>idiotic remarks, whose only objective is to generalize a population and voice n
>a
>opinion of pure hatred and disgust...yet with absolutely no intelligence
>whatsoever?
>
>        No more!  Life need not be such a waste.  For only your time, YOU can e
>b
>in control of YOUR brain.  No more insidious babbling; no more whining about  w
>ho
>Christians are ruining your life and trying to help you find the light that
>you
>just don't want to see.
>
>        If this has given you the insight that you had once only a short time
>ago lacked, let me know.  Being a newcomer to alt.evil, I am willing to
>provide
>the readers of the now degenerating posts of closed-minded God-haters and
>cat-abusers with insightful, thought-stimulating theory and completely biased
>opinions about the issues YOU are concerned with.  For example, WHAT is evil?
>Is it rejecting Christ and all his beliefs?  Is it the abandonment of love and
>compassion?  Or is it just not being
>
> REALLY tied to religion, or is evil a personification of a given set of
>morals
>and values?  WHO is satan and WHY does he do the things he does?
>
>        Not only this, but insightful articles about Christianity and what
>they
>REALLY believe.  Who was Jesus and why does He bother people who don`t want to
>be bothered?  And, in believing in satan, does one automatically have to      e
>believ
>in God?
>
>        Is this the alt.evil you all once knew?
>
Oh god.  This is what David Auer would sound like if he was a
fundamentalist.
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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:52:29 GMT

To clarify my point:

I believe that any activity which takes up a large portion of time is a
controlling influence. If you spend all your time complaining about 
Christianity running your brain, deprogramming your kid brother, etc,
then it influences you. A Satanist is a reverse Christian, pure and
simple. This is because the satanist takes the standard Christian mythos
and turns it around. I worship Satan instead of God, I mutilate myself
(or claim to in silly postings to alt.evil) and so on. It accomplishes
nothing at all. A pagan or freethinker, by contrast, comes up with either
a new mythos or one that has no reference to christianity or anything else.

dleland@nmsu.edu
From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: dante
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:28:02 GMT
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Originator: bjbisset@c00032-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


  Source is "The Divine Comedy," from the "Inferno" part.  As for whether it is
"abandon all hope, ye who enter here." or "abandon hope, all ye who enter here."
It's neither, Dante didn't write in English, he wrote in Italian(me thinks).
Therefore, the correct quote would be in Italian.  It could probably be
translated as either of the two versions you mentioned.  You could always find
a Lit book(I'm sure an English teacher can find you one with that part of
Dante's work (suggesting that someone should ask an english teacher, how evil
can you get)).
-- 
----------bill the insane cultist, bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu
Please make a donation to the "Raise a Great Old One" Foundation.
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From: pershing@teal.csn.org (Paul Pershing)
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:24:22 GMT

dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:

>Has it ever occured to anybody that saying you are a satanist merely because you
>hate christianity is still buying into christianity? You accept the standard
>christian mythos hook line and sinker, you just turn it around and say you
>hate what you should like, trample the cross, ect. If it wasn't so all pervasive
>and all powerful in the mind, you wouldn't go to so much trouble to desecrate
>it. It seems to me that if you really were a "free thinker" you'd make up your own
>religion....

Agree.

what a silly place to claim your are (fill in the blank) Evil, Satanist,
Moria, Crowleyist, etc., etc.

I don't imagine anyone who _is_ any of these things spends time
trumpeting it on the net, various bbs, etc.


-- 
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From: sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold)
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:19:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1e9b86INNg37@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lhk2@po.CWRU.Edu (Lucas H. Kuzma) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) says:
|> 
|> >Has it ever occured to anybody that saying you are a satanist merely because you
|> >hate christianity is still buying into christianity? You accept the standard
|> >christian mythos hook line and sinker, you just turn it around and say you
|> >hate what you should like, trample the cross, ect. If it wasn't so all pervasive
|> >and all powerful in the mind, you wouldn't go to so much trouble to desecrate
|> >it. It seems to me that if you really were a "free thinker" you'd make up your own
|> >religion and your own practices. You'd make up a creation myth and some sort of
|> >explanation for the world, and so on. And of course you'd be stuck having to 
|> >explain the same problems that every religion has had to explain for so long,
|> >and good luck to you if you think you can explain it any better than anybody else.
|> >
|> >But why waste so much effort on something you hate as much as you say you do?
|> >If Christianity doesn't control your life, then why are you spending so much time
|> >trying to bring it down? If I saw someone claim that they weren't controlled by
|> >a thing, then they spent all their time trying to destroy it, I'd say they were lying.
|> >
|> 
|> Oh how true! Yet, why invent a religion at all?
|> Can one be truly free in thought if one first
|> invents a set of values and morals to follow?

	One cannot be anything at all without a set of morals and values to
follow.  A person who truly lacked morals and values would act as if his (or her)
head were attached to a random number generator.  Death would soon follow.  the
question is not WHETHER we should have morals and values, but rather what those
morals and values should be.  BTW, evil is not possible except in the context of
morals and values.

Steve
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:17:50 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad.wcc.govt.nz


In article <1992Nov16.181645.8116@nmsu.edu>, dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>Boring crap about christians-satanists

Big deal, a local artist here horrified a art gallery with his impressions
of the Christ figure in which was implanted in a piece of shit, and in
then a tube of urine for all art exhibtion lovers to see.
(eat your heart out Andy Warhol :-)
--
Red

In the STATES they've set up a deprogramming centre where you can take
your derranged punk child or metal kid. And how you deal with it when
they start getting posters or acting strange. If you start listening
to this music they've got centres where they take you to get deprogrammed.
That'll happen in New Zealand you know.

Brett (skinhead) Toxic Avengers, New Plymouth.
From Bill Paynes book - Staunch

 
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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: umma guuma
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:21:46 GMT

In article <200018@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
>From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:43:32 GMT
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