From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Subject: Re: Various political jabs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:29:56 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <69030@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
=And he built it on the blood, sweat and tears of the black man,
=for whose non-volunteered transport he built torturously painful
=uncomfortable slave ships. Sit down and watch "Roots" sometime.

	Hmm, not too many black slaves helped clear farms around
	these parts. I suppose we should ignore all the "rich ass
	whites" that formed the backbone of the sweatshops in
	the East. They obviously weren't exploited because their skin
	wasn't black, yellow or red...

	By the way, I did watch Roots. I guess I saw some racist version
	because tribal chiefs were selling off captured enemys and that
	couldn't POSSIBLY be how slaves were obtained. Obviously Alex Haley
	was a sell out to whitey, I mean just look at his name, obviously NOT
	a real African name. Instead, the REAL truth must be that great armys
	of whiteys marched through the depths of Africa, wiped out several
	strong African tribes and hauled them all off to be slaves of whitey
	in the US colonys. We all know one African brother would NEVER
	sell out or enslave another wether it be to whitey or drugs...
	I mean look at all the bothers in Africa now taking good brotherly
	care of each other... All the woes and pestulance is obviously
	whiteys fault. Same with the woes of Chinese, Bosnns, middle
	east and all other areas of the world; it's all whitey's fault!

=In fact I think you absolutely should. It's not fiction, pal.
=And while the white man was busy doing that, he was also busy
=taking possession of this continent from 
=its indigenous inhabitants, the native American "Indians" to whom
=he made territorial promises he never intented to keep, and who,
=to this day, live in their native land as third-world citizens.

	Except for those who have taken charge of their lives, taught
	their childen BOTH the traditional old ways and new ways and otherwise
	stopped depending on whitey and did it themselves. I've known
	quite a few "native" Americans, poor choice of words, they
	SHOULD be called by their tribal names. There is no such thing
	as a "native" american as we ALL came from the other continents.

=And let's not even bother discussing how he tamed the "Wild West" by 
=throwing up shining steel rails. Well, he didn't exactly do it 
=himself. A few hundred thousand imported Chinese worker-slaves
=did most of the hard work. 

	You fail to mention the part about the warlords in China that
	made a rather good profit from their "workers" sent over here.

	I've also failed to ever hear a REALLY good explaination of how
	a ship full of whitey's could walk many miles into Africa, past
	some mighty powerful tribes I may add, and make off with thousands
	of people without getting themselves shredded into VERY small pieces
	by the local defense forces.

	Except for the tribes of north america I think it's rather safe
	to say forces on BOTH sides of the ponds played a part in the
	slavery of many races with the powerful of each race making out
	rather well.
	
	As long as we're laying blame let's blame ALL involved.
	In the case of the american tribes it IS the US government that
	should take most of the blame although at the time, many power
	industrys were probably behind the government policys. The
	american tribes and settlers got along reasonably well till
	the greedy from Europe started making the colonys home.

	How about we take a look at the WHOLE world situation and place
	blame EVERYWHERE it belongs.

=And though all of this might sound like ancient history, far from
=it, it's still going on today. Isn't there some tall greenish
=statue sitting in a harbor in New York to welcome those poor,
=tired, huddled masses to a new land of freedom and opportunity?
=Oh wait.. only Euro/White huddled masses need apply. If you're
=from, say, Haiti and want in, you're an "economic" refugee, not
=a "political" one so you don't count and the Coast Guard will
=take you back to your home turf where the gendarmes will be pleased
=as punch to line you up against a wall made of economic bricks
=and fill your torso with economic bullets. 
=
	I don't suppose you'd be willing to believe that immigration
	laws would try to protect that african, asian, hispanic, "indian"
	AMERICAN BORN citizen from the flood of people that would
	be after their jobs? I suppose you are all for foreigners
	getting jobs before US citizens? I suppose I'm a racist asshole
	because I want MY taxes to go to help AMERICAN citizens, not
	foreigners. We already can't help many AMERICAN citizens have a decent
	lifestyle, and now you want to increase the burden even more?
	
	Maybe we should just give the whole world a free ride on the US
	taxpayer and save some time? I'm sure US citizens who are minoritys
	would be GLAD to give their social services and benifits to your
	foreigners? I bet they'd even let the foreigner's have their jobs
	as they are rich american minoritys and are very generous.

	I suppose you would advocate we go to Haiti and solve their problems
	for them? Or maybe Bosnia? Or the ex Soviet republics? Or the
	middle east? Where does it stop? I say it stops when it becomes
	an issue of causing CURRENT US CITIZENS jobs, benifits and
	social services.

	By the way, I think the people from India, Asia and ex-soviet block
	would be less that pleased at you calling them Euro/Whites.

=If you actually believe that men are more concerned about their appearance
=than women, I invite you to visit your local neighborhood dept. store
=and measure the amount of square footage of counter space devoted
=to male and female cosmetic products, respectively.
=
	Hmm, the boys/mens section in clothing stores seems to be
	comparable. The common image being pushed on young males these
	days is a handsome, dark haired, blue eyed, athletic and fairly
	well off hunk role that few can actually meet.
	
	Cosmetics is a bad choice for comparison, look at cloths, general style
	and social trends. I'd look a zit medicine and deodorant, I'd be
	willing to bet the numbers are about even in these areas.

	Listen in on a slumber party sometime, older sister's in my case.
	Did they talk about the average guys? The smart guys,( other
	than to manipulate them for answers to tests)? Nope, it was tushes,
	dark hair, blue eyes, hunks, and/or cash. The same type of cheepness
	women rag on men about, only I guess it's socially acceptable
	for girls/women to do it.

	BOTH sexes are being sold a load of goods. I've heard repeatedly
	the cosmetic industry spends MILLIONS a year to find the most
	statistically RAREST females as far as look and build so they
	can maximize the number of NORMAL females who don't look like
	that and make them feel the RAREST female is what should be
	considered NORMAL; QUITE the scam. I wouldn't be surprised if
	they did the same with males.

=Harv, white boy liberal of European descent who is, quite often,
=not terribly proud of the things other white boys do.
	
	Rob, usually moderate whitey of west and middle European
	descent who refuses to take blame for the past (my ancestors were
	"rich whiteys" in the sweatshop industry...) and choses instead to
	support ANY US citizen who is willing to work and
	take advantage of the many resources available to improve themselves
	and not use the past as an excuse to give up.

	This political stuff should really be moved to politic groups, which
	one?
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