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From: cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810)
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.021801.4400@athena.mit.edu>, fyhwong@athena.mit.edu (Francis Y Wong) writes...
>In article <1992Oct9.213623.16382@menudo.uh.edu>, cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Let's start a topic about exotic CARS!  Any MAN who knows about cars, 
>|>  owns an exotic car, seen exotic cars, please contribute your experience.  I  
>|>  used to have a CRX HF.  Of course it is nothing like a Ferrari, but with a 
>|>  1500 c.c engine, it could go over 105 mph.
>|> 	What are you driving there?  3000GT twin turbo? 300zx?  RX 7 twin turbo?
>|>  OR a Ferrari?  
>|> 
>|> 
>|>  Tony Chan cosc180f@jetson.uh.edu      
> 
>My dream car is Nissain Skyline GT-R. But too bad, it is not available in US.
>I have been driving my '85 MR2 for quite a while. She's fast, she's fun, she's
>reliable (no mechanical problem since I bought it, except a body-shop visit due
>to a minor collision). She has very good handling, and the steering is neutral
>due to the mid-engine configuration. She's not practical at all (tiny little
>trunk which couldn't fit my suitcase in). Considering fun/dollar, she's really
>great. :( Got a couple of speeding ticket just because of her. :(
> 
>Francis Wong


Francis, 
	The Nissan Skyline is indeed an exotic car.  I saw it less than two or  
three times in Hong Kong this summer.  I think Micheal Liu (Liu Mike Go) has  
one in Hong Kong.  I heard that it has the fastest acceleration among all the 
Japanese production cars, is that true? 
 	Your MR2 must have served you very well.  I remember in one issue of
car and driver (HK version), they talked about MR2 and CRX.  They concluded 
that MR2 was a better car if one was dating a girl.  I think it is faster than 
a CRX too.  Anyone knows?  When I say faster I mean the acceleration! 0-60mph? 
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From: ins903u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (***RAYSON WONG**)
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:41:37 GMT

Sorry, but this is only a test to see if it does what I think it will do...
If it works then I will mail a proper response....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: HK High School CS syllabus
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:33:32 GMT

In article <Bw26Mr.GDH@unccsun.uncc.edu> tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan) writes:
>Please remind that BASIC is the programming language, basics means foundamental.
>
>I think it will not be a good syllabus, if it teaches you how to run before
>you know how to walk.
>

Right now, the CS syllabus is just almost worthless. 

-- People who want to learn programming only should learn them on their own.
	Taking a two year course for that is just too wasteful. 
-- Djkstra:
	"....[CS People] who learned BASIC as their first programming
	 language are permanently brain damaged beyond recovery...."

-- BASIC advocates speghetti codes (GOTO) and thus poor (if any) modularity.
-- BASIC has no local variables.
-- BASIC has almost no data structures.
-- BASIC has inconsistent grammar:
		when to pass arguements with parenthesis and when not to.
-- BASIC has poor portability. 
	(Remember how to read/write to a file?)
-- BASIC is hard to debug: misspellings are often taken as variable names.

-- Bubble sort is all they can handle with BASIC. O(n*n) 
	C'mon! Set up a linked list and at least you can do Insertion Sort.

-- High schools in HK should teach both LISP/Scheme and PASCAL.
-- Preferably Lisp first. Lisp is easy to learn. Consistent grammar. 
-- PASCAL is a good paradigm for structure programming. 
	(C would have been good, except for its pass-by-addr)
	(C++ may be good too, for that matter....)
-- Ada takes up too much memory. 'Tis beyond what most schools can afford.
-- Learning two languages avoids casting a student to a particular mindset.
	The worst of which is BASIC. Also, it stimulates creative thinking.
-- PASCAL can teach good programming style.
-- LISP is excellent for quick short programs.

-- A good curriculum should include elementary machine code too.


-- All in all, a two year CS curriculum should stress on algorithms and 
	language styles. BASIC impairs this purpose because of its 
	deficiencies. Learning a language should not be the goal of 
	this syllabus.

Aaron Wong
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Pretty men and pretty women
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:24:07 GMT
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In article <1b2eluINNi9v@agate.berkeley.edu> vchan@haas.berkeley.edu (Vincent Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.003054.11340@math.ucla.edu> cykwan@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Chik Yun Kwan) writes:
>>
>>Prettiest male:
>> 
>> ... stuff deleted
>>
>>3) Lau Quan Ming Roger ( Miss Asia Pacific 1990-91 Law Lam's boyfriend. He  
>>			 always show up in "8 paul" magazine )
>
>	I know a lot of people in HK hate this guy. They all say he is
>	too ugly and should belong to the group of "see once, beat once".
>	Any comment

I would say "see one wok, beat 10 wok"
From: ly@cs.arizona.edu (Ling Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Keywords: Chinese Christians
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:35:19 GMT
Organization: Bored of Education, U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct9.053026.22190@cc.uow.edu.au> tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung) writes:
>Does anyone want to comment on why some
>Hong Kong students when they study overseas
>become Christians and join "Chinese Christian
>Fellowships"
>
>Comments?

as far as I know, some people were just bored over the weekends and couldn't
find anything to do.

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From: edwka@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Wing K. Au)
Subject: Re: ABC's coverage on Patten (Re: Patten's speech)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:59:31 GMT

In article <eln235s.718780666@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au>, eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
> albee@ahkcus.Eng.Sun.COM (Dennis Lee) writes:
> 
> 
>>Martin Lee's comment: disappointment that Legco members cannot be Exco
>>members is a step backward for democracy.
> Thus, is it that no one from the democratic party be appointed Exco
> member?

There is a clear flaw in such a conclusion.  There are 18 members of the
Hong Kong Democratic Alliance who are currently Legco members.  It is these 18
members who cannot be Exco members.  Indeed, that applies to everyone else. 
The idea underpin such a move, as I understand it, is that the functions of
these two bodies should be separate.  I personally have no problem with such a
decision.  
The issue remains is that can Exco members be elected rather than appointed? 
To me, this is an important step towards democracy in Hong Kong.

Wing Au,
University of Newcastle,
Australia.
Internet: edwka@cc.newcastle.edu.au
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Subject: Re: Graphic transfer tool.
From: johnny@futon.SFSU.EDU (Johnny Y. Chow)
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:12:53 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Oct10.192559.29530@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cfs2b@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chun Fai Szeto) writes:
>johnny@futon.SFSU.EDU  writes:
>> Could anybody tell me the site of where I can download a software
>> for  transferring  .tif  graphics  into .gif graphics.  Thank you
>> very much.
>> 
>
>
>
>	I know there are a lot of graphics softwares in OAK.Oakland.Edu
>under sub-dir (pub/msdos/graphics). I think you will find one for 
>transferring TIF to GIF.
>
>Chun
>cfs2b@Virginia.Edu

I was told that in microsoft windows 3.x, it has the transferring build
in application. Could any one tell me where is it located? Thanks.
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:35:04 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
Originator: leung@bittemple


tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:

> Do you think it is normal? Remember that this is the first time that
> HK has direct election. Do HK people really know the influence of
> having direct election in Legco.

Are you saying that without "really" knowing the influence of direct
election in Legco, then there should be no direct election? But if
without direct election in Legco, no one "really" know the influence,
right? I know you are against the change, but can you come up with
some more sensible, if not respectable, arguments?

> The point is not whether Patten's report violates Basic Law or
> Joint Declaration. ...

No, this IS the key point. Otherwise, all these documents are useless,
and all those 50-year no change brah brah brah are all empty words.
Maybe you are ready to forget them, others are not. As Wing pointed
out, when Patten's report came out, CG thru its newspaper accused
Patten violating the BL/JD. When Patten asked for "where did I
violate them," then they said that it is the "spirit" get violated.
Now, you said that it's not important after all? Hey, why don't you
talk to the guys in XinHua news agency about it and everyone would
be happy.

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jfong@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Fong)
Subject: Re: HK comics: Tin Ha
Keywords: Tin-Ha, wind, cloud, comic
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:36:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.181905.29862@lsil.com> stephen@lsil.com writes:

>It seems that Ma Wing Shing's "Wind, Cloud" story
>in Tin Ha is going to end in about 2-3 issues, with
>wind & cloud fighting each other at this point.
>
>Anyone want to speculate on the ending?

Have you read the "Wind, Cloud" novel?  Ma Wing Shing already wrote the ending
there (When that fortune teller met Wind, Cloud, and Wave, he told them what
their future will look like.)  I don't want to talk too much, since I don't
want you lost interest to "chase" the story :)

jfong@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu

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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Who's going to Hong Kong in December?
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:15:48 GMT


I talked to several people about meeting them in Hong Kong
in December.  Unfortunately I switched jobs and lost my old
mail file.  Who is going to Hong Kong in December?
My wife and I are going from Dec 9 - Jan 1.

P.S. My travel agent told me that so many people I recommended
called her about consolodator tickets to Hong Kong when I went
to firm up the date they were sold out!  I had to take
China Air rather than Korea Air to find tickets.
Next time I recommend a travel agent on soc.culture.hongkong
I had better make sure that I have my ticket already booked!
-- 

                      Glenn E. Host - Reston, VA
Very grateful guest of Openage - the best SCO service shop in the area
************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
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From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:43:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

>soc.culture.hongkong / vchan@haas.berkeley.edu (Vincent Chan) / 10:43 pm  Oct 14, 1992 /
>In article <1992Oct14.153611.8299@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:
>>
>>To me, I support "Cooperative" (Kai Luen). I think that they
>>are more realistic. Hong Kong United Democrats almost does everything
>>to have a greater democracy. But I doubt that Hong Kong people
>>easily adjust to this sudden democratic jump. Also, it is a 

>     Kai Luen's goal is more moderate, compared with UD. But many
>     people have bad impression that their members are too pro-British
>     and their memberships in LEGCO are not voted by people. If they
>     can participate in the election next time and win some seats,
>     their image can be improved and they will be more persuasive.

No, they are pro-China now. Many people don't like them because they have
no principle. Don't forget, these were the poeple, who passed "two councils
comman acknowledgement" (right name) and later against LEGCO to re-confirm it.
Also, most of them are big business man (woman), who vote against centre 
pension, for import of oversea worker etc. And not many people expect anyone of
them can win in a one to one election against UD. I think the request
from UD is reasonable and correct. 


>>matter whether Hong Kong people really care about all political 
>>stuff (for the time being). I am not saying that greater democracy 
>>is not good. It is just that it should not go too fast.
>>Moreover, this big democratic jump may have adverse effects (e.g.
>>introducing political instability) which will do nothing but harm
>>to the Hong Kong's prosperity.

>     YES ! There is tradeoff between prosperity and democracy
>     in Hongkong.

Yes only after you added the facter of mainland China. I think 

neither prosperity = 1 / democracy nor prosperity = democracy

If China kept away from this agruement, Hong Kong could have both.

>     So, my questions are 1) Do Hong Kong really need greater
>     democracy at this time ? 2) Are the people in HK mature 
>     enough to accept full democracy ?
>----------

1. Why not? 
2. Yes, at least HK people is more mature in terms of no buying vote. Low
turn out rate? Look at last election in US please (High in former commun.
East Eurpean countries, I don't think they are more mature than HK people).
HK people is not as fool as you think.

Yuk
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:25:19 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:

>Right now, Hong Kong has many political groups being set up in 
>these years. My first question is: which political group do you 
>support? What do you think about the altitudes of each of them?
>What do you expect to "see" in the Hong Kong politics' future?
Basically, I can't support any of them; however, I don't like Kai Luen
very much. 

What I want to see is something real. Say, what they'd like to change
in terms of welfare, education. Under the colonial government, we've
been treated like a ball. Take education as an example, they kept on
saying increasing the number of tertriary places. However, what is going
on in the secondary education. There seems to be lacking careful
planning. BTW, up till to now, there seems to be not adequate social 
security for those poor and old.

For Kai Luen, they are just too concerned about their own benefit
projected after '97. However, I am a bit disappointed with UD for they
haven't concrete ideas on the welfare/education plan; they simply put
too much attention on the ideology of "democracy".

>I agree that greater democracy avoids much of China's disturbance
>to HK. But we, Hong Kong people, should be more realistic. We
>should have to know how big our stomach is when we have a buffet
>with an infinite supply of food. 
I think that is the very deep-rooted culture of chinese. I do think,
we, as a local entity, at least in local matter, be given the power to
handle matter like finance, transportation, economic, etc. Thus, if who
are in Legco/Exco could not represent our views, how can we be confident
in living in the city?

>Indeed, Chris Patten's recent report is a little bit "over".
For Patten, first, it is real nice to see his policy on the welfare and
education. Second, to expanse the institutional seats in Legco so that
EVERY worker/profession could be  represented is a real break-through 
in the concept on institutional representation.

-- 
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From: s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Ka Wo Anthony Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Acts of love
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:16:32 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:


>	Let me say something here. If I had been in a situation where I called 
>	this really nice girl my Miss Right(correct?) while she didn't want me,
>	I would still want to maintain our friendship, so that I could still 
>	have the chance that the girl might change her mind eventually. I suppose 
>	the above example is pretty common actually... 
>>
  Some girls pretend to give you a second chance not simply because they
  don't wanna hurt you, they enjoy your accompany but too fear to get hurt
  if they involve with you.  Or they think they are pretty and deserve 
  to be chased by many boys.  Now that is common.


>>In my view, if you love someone, don't miss the chance, but be truely and know
>>what you are doing, be patient and tolerate, never rush and never harsh. Try

>	Sometimes, you have to be rather quick instead of taking it tardy. Esp.
>	when you think the girl(/guy)-to-be is a very good one - it's often
>	that your competitors are well thinkng the same... So, trying to go a 
>	bit wild is not always a bad thing I think... So, rush rush rush...
>	go go go... don't just stand in the line and wait :-)
>

Now you have won 80%.  You are a real man. Good on you.

>>your best to care the one but do not just want to get something, if you love
>>one, always give and don't think of taking. It it could be yours then be
>>patient and cherish, if it does not, then accept...

>	Um, if you're so SURE of that, you would better rush...coz life is
>	so short...and time just won't wait for people to settle down.
>>

Affirmative! Life is short. If you wait for someone, you are telling
yourself "I'll get rich one day". I just don't understand why people
suggest to wait underneath a tree for a rabbit. 

Have fun,
Anthony.

*** Funny, only sensible people agree with me. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`)
Subject: Re: love/marriage
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.200823.28303@athena.mit.edu> siu@athena.mit.edu (Olivia I Siu) writes:
>With regards to my posting, here is a reply from a person who chose to
>remain anonymous:
>------------------
>I guess we agree that the best scenario is if both people are deeply in
>love with each other. There is no arguement there.
>
>Perhaps I just have this idealistic/romantic concept of marriage, that is
>a wo/man should find the one that s/he truely loves and in loves with. ButI can see your point. It is more practical and perhaps circumstances make
>the ideal case unlikely in ones life time. But I still have a problem
>with it. Suppose I have fallen deeply in love with a woman but she likes
>me as a friend, lets say her best friend, but has no romantic inclination
>whatsoever. Then one day she wakes up and decides that its time for her
>to get marry but found that the only one around is me. But knowing
>how she feels, would I be overjoyed in this development? I don't know...
>Yes, she can learn to love me but I will have this doubt in my mind whether
>she marries me out of sympathy or out of love. I will also have doubts
>whenever someone who I know appeals more to her (physically, intellectually
>,
>etc) appears in her life. Would this not create any problem, real or
>otherwise, in the relationship? May be this is simply a lack of confident
>in my character, I don't know. Just some random thougths.
>
>---------------------------
>
>Comments?
>
>Olivia
>

Love should be simple, is it necessary to treat it so complicated?
Hazardous to your health, at least mentally, if not physically.
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From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: Weekly Love Story -- No. 1
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:37:46 GMT

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.023944.20114@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>, mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN) writes:
>> 
>> 	Let's call the guy #A, his girlfriend #B and #C the girl whom he
>> did not start anything with but loves.  

>	** #A and #B are in deep love or are married.
>	   #B is satisfied (at least for that moment)
>	   #A obvious is not or not quite or not as #B is.

>	   This is one of the difference between a man and a woman.

Do you mean that a man is usually not as satisfied with a marriage as 
a woman is?  That sounds quite an outdated idea (even in modern Chinese
societies, not mention the Western societies).  

Or I misunderstood your sentence?  (Maybe you meant the difference between
*THE* man #A and *THE* woman #B?)

>	   As far as what would #A do to #C would have little meaning
>	   to distinguish a man from a woman.



--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:24:44 GMT
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In article <1992Oct16.153822.24587@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>|> Christian looks for everlasting happiness (before and after death). 
>                                              ??????
>
>|> Non-Christian looks for short term happiness (during their life).
>
I am a Catholic myself and a weekly church goer, nevertheless I
never want to go to any Christian fellowship.  One major reason
is that I hate the attitude of the CF in my school.  They kind
of look down others, and always describe people as Christians and
non-Christians.  They will say a lot of bad thing if one of their
member goes out with a non-Christians.
I would prefer to be a second class Catholic Christian rather
than their first class superior Christians.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw)
Subject: Oh NO! not (New Topic: Chinese Christians)
Keywords: Chinese Christians
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:04:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.053026.22190@cc.uow.edu.au>, tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung) writes:
|> Does anyone want to comment on why some
|> Hong Kong students when they study overseas
|> become Christians and join "Chinese Christian
|> Fellowships"

NO!  THIS is going to start another flame war that wouldn't end for at least a month.
Why don't we talk about Buddhism?

|> Comments?

Aaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh!! DON'T START THIS AGAIN!!!

									CHainsaw