From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Re: Women, men, scum, and wicca . . .
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:13:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.165413.24424@linus.mitre.org> heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger) writes:
In article <1992Jul22.165413.24424@linus.mitre.org> (Jeff Heimberger) writes
cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>[Again, lots o' personal attacks and name-calling deleted...]
> 
> >Then why are you so afraid?  Why do you seem to spend so little time
> >DOING something about what's wrong, or just listening to someone talk
> >about the pain thy've suffered and so much time screaming about how
> >*YOU* didn't do it, even before anyone accused you.  
> 
> Because, when I have tried to listen, tried to discuss the points, I
> get drowned out by a cacophony of insults and slurs (cf. the above
> posting and one from Ailsa).  Why should I listen or respond when the
> decibel level pops my ear drums, even over a computer network?  You all
> seem not to want to discuss, which implies both sides listening, but
> rather to just tell what the problem is from your viewpoint, and what
> your solution is, again from your viewpoint.  If anyone disagrees, or
> comes up with a "yes, but..." they're immediately shouted down.
> 
> Nobody gets anywhere without dialog.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff H...

In article <2A6DE08A.12002@noiro.acs.uci.edu> (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger) writes:
> Take your fake psychology degree, Jeff, roll it into a nice tight
> cylinder, and shove it where the sun don't shine...
[...] 
> Especially if someone starts it all by being such a thundering dickhead
> as you...
> 
> >If you'd care to talk about this in a reasonable manner, please respond
> >again.  I refuse to add flames to your fire.

Is it just my imagination, or do you go in and out of flame mode at will, or
at random?  I found nothing SO offensive in Jeff's argument as to warrant
your vulgar and unreasonable reply.  Judging by his later post Jeff was not
actually calling for a NAAWP, just making a point.  Are you so enamored
of your anger as to be angry as a fashion statement?  I'm sure you're 
not the only victim of oppression on this net, nor entirely innocent of the 
racism and sexism you seem to see in others.  This is not a Klan rally;  most
of us probably agree with many of your beliefs and values, so yes, as I 
said earlier, it might do ALL of us a service if ALL of us would re-read some
our own and and others' posts before flaming so vehemently, or as you
paraphrased me, chill out.  And remember that many of us might consider
you a friend if you listened to us rather than just screaming at us.  You
haven't screamed at me yet, but I'm assuming that's just because I haven't
yet A) said anything you disagreed with, or B) said anything you paid 
much attention to.  I assume I will eventually piss you off.  Until that time,

Peace, love and a little calming energy to you and yours,

                                                          --Murray

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