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From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: To caddy or not to caddy
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:14:45 EST
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole) writes:

> As long as I am bitching, I do not understand why ALL cds (audio and
> roms) were not made with caddy like cases, like 3.5" diskettes are made
> in.  These probably could cost about the same to make as the stupid jewel
> boxes and would have used up the same amount of material and storage
> space, but would been MUCH more convenient and safe.

I guess it just proves that hindsight is 20-20. Of course I think that
the hard shell cases for floppies were defined after the CD standard
was. If they had the 3.5 floppy in front of them, they might have come
up with the idea of a hard shell case a lot easier.

What I think would be nice would be nice would be a car CD player that
used caddies. Changing CDs while you drive isn't very safe. If they
were in caddies it would be easier than changing cassette tapes. Have
the player come with five or six caddies. That should be enough to
last until you stop for gas. It seems to me that it would be a lot
cheaper than putting one of those changer units in the trunk.



(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gess@KNEX.VIA.MIND.ORG (Gess Shankar)
Subject: Re:      CD-ROM recorders
Reply-To: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG>
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:57:52 GMT

Paul Gillingwater <emory!EUNET.CO.AT!paul> writes:

> Bob,
> I used to work at HP in New Zealand, so your name is familiar to me.
> I'm currently working for the United Nations in Vienna, and we're soon
> to buy an HP9000 system for a database that is being migrated from a
> Wang (PACE).  Do you know of any migration tools that will help with
> going from Wang PACE to Sybase under HP-UX?
>
Sorry to butt in. No info on HP-UX.

> Second question relates to CD ROM publishing (small scale, say less than
> 300 per year).  What cost effective systems exist for this?
>
Not clear if you mean 300 titles per year or 300 copies per year or
small lots amounting to 300. But desktop publishing solutions are
becoming popular and with good prices. The Philips CDD-521 seems to be
a good bargain for cutting CD-Roms at your desktop.

If you are talking about 300 copies of a single title, you may be better
off with a replicator in your area. (Is there one?). If you are talking
about small lots say 20/30 and don't mind 30 minutes are so per disc
using CD-R media, you may be able to get away with a recorder such as
the Philips CDD521. Pricing for this unit is around $6000. Connects to
a PC via SCSI-2 (Adaptec 1542B seems to be the card of choice from Philips).

For HP-UX (Unix flavors), you may want to contact Young Minds Inc., who
have CD Studio and Makedisc tools which drive the Philips unit and takes
care formatting etc for ISO 9660 and RockRidge formats. Young Minds can
be reached at 714-335-1350 (voice) or 714-798-0488 (fax).

Recently I came across an ad from Trace, who claim a production system
based on CD-WO drives with capability of daisychaining upto 16 recorders!
I only have an 800 number of them, which may not be useful to you.
1-800-872-2318.  But their mailing address is: Trace, 1040 East Brokaw Rd.,
San Jose, CA 95131, USA.

Sony and JVC also offer desktop publishing solutions.

GeSS
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From: hoyski@meaddata.com (David Hoy)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: How to speed up MTMCDS.SYS load time?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:18:49 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bozo.meaddata.com


Hi All,

	At boot or re-boot, MTMCDS.SYS for my Mitsumi takes over 20
seconds to load. It there anything I can do to speed this up or do I
just have to grin and bear it?

Thanks in Advance...


--
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Mead Data Central   | Half a pack of cigarettes...  | Dist. App. Engineering
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From: norsk@mobius (Doug Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Texel 3021 / 5021 feedback please
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:31:19 GMT
Reply-To: doug_thompson@novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1993Jan08.171444.22627@news.mentorg.com>,
davidr@davidr.mentorg.com (David Ransier) writes:
> I have very limited experience with other systems since this is my first PC.
> I'm normally on a Mac or several UNIX machines.
> 
> I have a 486DX2-50, 16 M mem, Speedstar 24x Graphics controller (I
think these
> are the main performance bottleneck points), and a Texel 3021 with a Trantor
> Card.
> 
> I love it!  I have played with a small number of CDs and haven't noticed
> any chopy-ness or graphics/audio stutter.  The CDs I tried are US Street
> Atlas, Carmen San Diego and Compton's Multimedia Encyclopedia (last year's).
> 
> My only complaint was when I tried connecting the audio out of the Drive
> into the Sound Blaster Pro board.  Texel didn't include the audio cable
> and no one in town had one.  So $15 for the cable and almost $6 shipping,
> Texel sent me one.  10" of 3-wire and the cheapest plastic connectors
> should be no where near $15.

Ah, this prompts me to tell a story about a business man whose furnace
was somewhat cranky. He called the repair man who arrived and started 
working on the furnance. While the business man observed, the repair
man proceeded to take his hammer and hit the furnance. The furnance
started to life and began heating. After putting away his hammer, he
gave the bill to the owner. $246 worth, to which the business man 
cried "$246 to hit the furnance with a hammer, I want an itemized bill". 
The repairman took the receipt book and wrote:

	Hitting furnance with hammer		$1
	Knowing where to hit furnance		$245

Moral of the story: There is more to finished goods than just the
raw material.

My cable came with the PAS-16 Multimedia kit, and after looking at
it I muttered to myself as well. The connector that fits into the
CD Drives is one that I have never seen before, and I bet it might
be somewhat hard to find on my own.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
email:   norsk@novell.com or doug_thompson@novell.com
phone:   801-429-3495
"If your think education is expensive, just try ignorance."
From: tel1568@tamuts.tamu.edu (Thomas Edward Landrum)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Why Don't CDs use Both Sides?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:36:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan4.180028.12198@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross) writes:
>I couldn't find the answer to this in the FAQ.  I see no reason why
>the data capacity couldn't be doubled just by using the other side.
>
>Obviously, I am severely wrong, or someone would do just that.
>
>Is this true?  And if they can't use both sides, why not?
>
>Thanks for any wisdom shared.  
>
>Mike
>
>-- 
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>*(713)333-7094 voice,(713)333-7201 fax**********boring, eh?****




Mike:

If you are talking about accessing both sides at the same time, you
would need a drive with heads on both sides...'course this doesn't
exist, but wouldn't be hard to rig...
The real problem comes in when you try to figure out how to handle
the constant velocity nature of cd's...Watch a cd player with a
window in it so you can see the disk...as you advance through the 
tracks the speed of rotation becomes noticeably slower.  Can't
have that when two heads are trying to read but in different locations 
on the disk.  Interesting problem...
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET (Turgut Kalfaoglu)
Subject: Re: purchase suggestions
Reply-To: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:38:36 GMT

I just ordered a CD-ROM the other day, and from what I can tell, for
price vs. performance, the Philips CM205 seems to do well in France,
where computer hardware is quite expensive compared to the US.
It costs 2100FF, or about $400, and has 370ms access time, and 150K/sec
data transfer time. 150K is a low figure, but, oh well, at least the
access time is OK.

It's an internal non-SCSI drive, and comes with its own controller.
Regards, -turgut
From: dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: What is the access time on the cheap Mitsumi?
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:08:23 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu

In article <1993Jan6.005522.25123@lclark.edu> harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:
>In article <1id3piINNfsu@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> pjs@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter John Swiatkowski) writes:
>>In article <5JAN199310082514@elroy.uh.edu> st1r8@elroy.uh.edu (Guillot, Burt J.) writes:
>>
>>From my reading of the BBS CD-ROM conference: Mitsumi have released a new
>>model drive (500 in the model number I think) which still uses their
>>proprietary interface but has 350ms seek times and is fully multi-session
>>XA and photo CD compliant. The selling price is generally a bit higher by I
>>have seen vendors offering it for less than US$200.
>


>Do you happen to know what size buffer it has?
>-- 


The older Mitsumi has just a 2K buffer, I believe.  The newer one appears to
be 32K.  I believe the newer one is the notorious Talon 100 from Insight/Hard
Drives Int.  Mitsumi has been slow shipping it to the US.  (Insight has been
advertising this for quite awhile now, but have been shipping the older
Mitsumi.  When I talked to them they said the new one had come in small
quantities, but mostly they got the older slower drives -- which they had
been shipping to customers who responded to the ads with the new better
specs listed.  Very naughty.)



Cheers,

Dave
From: dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: To caddy or not to caddy
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:02:08 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu


I just bought the NEC 25 - a caddyless drive and as far as I know the worlds
cheapest external SCSI drive.  My wife has an older Sony external that uses
caddies.  There is no doubt in my mind now that caddies are much prefereable.
    They are easier to get in and out; they protect the media much better;
    and they avoid the stupid task of hunting up the jewel box while
    balancing the cdrom on one hand, trying to open box with the other, and 
    get it all put together without dropping anything.

    As long as I am bitching, I do not understand why ALL cds (audio and
    roms) were not made with caddy like cases, like 3.5" diskettes are made
    in.  These probably could cost about the same to make as the stupid jewel
    boxes and would have used up the same amount of material and storage
    space, but would been MUCH more convenient and safe.  

    Cheers,

    Dave
From: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Sony 8012 CDROM Drive
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 

SP>> N >Subject: Re: Sony 8012 CDROM Drivers needed!
SP>> N >Message-ID: <1993Jan7.170236.842@netcom.com>
SP>> N >Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
SP>> N >Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:02:36 GMT
SP>> N >
SP>> N >You want a SCSI CD-ROM driver.  Do you have an Adaptec SCSI card?
SP>> N >Call Adaptec & get their ES-SCSI or SCSI-Master package.  You need
SP>> N >ASPI4DOS.SYS, ASPIDISK.SYS (or equivilant), and perhaps MSCDEX.EXE
SP>> N >(The Microsoft Extensions, for High Sierra format & others).  I have
SP>> N >been told that there *may* be a problem w/ block size -- apparently
SP>> N >the Sony w/ Suns has a 512k block size & DOS likes a 2048k block
SP>> N >size.  I am a little suprised that this would be a characteristic
SP>> N >of the drive, and not the media (the cd-rom you stuff into it...)
SP>> N >
SP>> N >This is all information that I got yesterday, and I have NOT got
SP>> N >my Sun CD-ROM working yet!  So take this info for what it's worth.
SP>> 
SP>> There is a block size difference. My Hitachi 1750 has a switch on the back 
SP>> which needs to be set for the two different systems. It seems to be the
SP>> drive's firmware, not the software driver, that must be changed.
SP>>  
SP>
SP>I've gotten the CDU-8012 to work for data only so far with my PAS16
SP>using Trantor's 1.46f driver and MSCDEX 2.21. For the life of me
SP>I can't get it to do anything as an audio device or get it to eject
SP>under program control. So even with the block size issue ( we need 512
SP>to be able to boot from the CDROM) it still works somewhat with DOS.

I don't know about the audio problem, but disk eject under program control
is a driver issue. Most of the SCSI drivers, both for UNIX systems and for
MS-DOS, don't support this feature. I know also that the original SUN Sparc 
driver does not support it. Maybe Trantor's driver doesn't support it either. 

Some of the drivers allow you to change the disks, but you have to manually
eject the disk after the eject is issued and put in another disk.

We use drivers from OnLine Business Systems in Gaithersberg, MD, which
do allow disk eject under program control, both on UNIX and DOS.
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From: miker@mml.ncsl.nist.gov (Mike Rubinfeld)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: IEEE CD-ROM Architecture Working Group Meeting
Summary: To be held in Boulder CO January 28 and 29, 1993
Keywords: IEEE, Architecture, Standards
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:02:13 GMT
Distribution: alt.cd-rom
Organization: Office Systems Engineering Group, NIST/CSL


                             ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

The CD-ROM Architecture Working Group, under the Standards Committee for
Optical Storage and Multimedia Platforms will hold their second meeting
at Dataware, Inc. in Boulder, CO on January 28 and 29, 1993.

The main topic will be the review and discussion of the first draft of the
architecture document.  All interested parties are invited to attend.

For more information, contact:

Mike Rubinfeld
NIST
Bldg. 225, MS:B266
Gaithersburg, MD  20899
(301) 975-3064
Email: miker@mml.ncsl.nist.gov
From: spiette@underground.central.sun.com (Steve Piette Midwest Area SE)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Why Don't CDs use Both Sides?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:07:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Company
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: steve.piette@Central.Sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: underground.central.sun.com

In article <1993Jan5.202509.28015@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mcover@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Coverdill) writes:
> In article <1iavn3INN70o@tamsun.tamu.edu> tel1568@tamuts.tamu.edu (Thomas Edward Landrum) writes:
> 
> I saw a couple of messages advocating dual heads on the drive.  This would
> be a nice feature down the road but wouldn't it be easier just to flip
> the disk over?  I think this was gist of the original question. Is it
> really that hard to forego the labeling or place the labeling on the inner
> ring.  Both sides of a standard CD *look* like they could contain data :-).
> -- 
> Mark Coverdill                                 The Ohio State University
> Internet: markc+@osu.edu                              Columbus, Ohio

You mean just like a video laser disk?...

Bottom line. You could put data on both sides and as long as you
only access ONE side at a time it would work.

Pressing both sides in no big deal, they do it with the laser disks
and records.

-- 
Steven E. Piette                       INTERNET:  steven.piette@Central.Sun.COM.
Midwest Area Systems Engineer                    
Sun Microsystems Inc.                     VOICE:                 (708) 285-8700
Two Pierce Place, Suite 1500                FAX:                 (708) 285-8750
Itasca, Il 60143                           HOME:        {smarthost}!simon!steve
                                                          steve@simon.Chi.Il.US.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:35:13 EST
From: <DXR8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: CD Caddies

In article <1993Jan7.113123.13418@bsu-ucs>, 00gwmichelin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu says:
>
>I am looking for a source for CD Caddies for IBM and Apple CD-ROM players.
>Does anyone know of a place with good prices?
>
>Gilbert Michelini, Manager
>Faculty Development Multimedia Lab
>Ball State University

Walnut Creek CDROM
1-800-786-9907

CDROM Caddies  $4.95

That's about as cheap as I have found...

Brian
From: Ilkka Priha <priha@tik.vtt.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROM mastering (QuickTOPiX & Philips CDD-521)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:09:22 GMT
Organization: VTT/TIK
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:14:56 GMT

Hello,

Has anyone used the QuickTOPiX CD-ROM mastering software (especially the
Macintosh version)?. I would like to hear some comments about it and also
experiences about any other mastering software people are using.

We have the Philips CDD-521 CD-ROM writer but the included software can
only handle DOS files (or ISO 9660 file images). We need to record also
Macintosh and Unix files and the QuickTOPiX mastering software has good
specs on paper but it would be nice to know a bit more about it before
spending almost $3000.

-- Ilkka
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mgbeall@SEABASS.ST.USM.EDU
Subject: unloading MSCDEX
Reply-To: mgbeall@SEABASS.ST.USM.EDU
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:25:00 GMT

Hi all,

Is there a way to unload MSCDEX?  I my cd-rom through drivers opened in a Desqvi
ew-X window only when I need them. However, once loaded, MSCDEX stays memory res
ident, even after closing the window.  This takes away from all my other memory
available.

Is there a way to unload MSCDEX?  or is there a program to run before it, that w
ould allow me to disable it somehow?

thanx in advance,

-Matthew
mgbeall@seabass.st.usm.edu
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: WHY DON'T CDS USE BOTH SI
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:11:47 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1050.42.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us> victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman)  writes:
>There's nothing physically wrong that would prevent it.  However, since
>CD's carry at least an hour's worth of music and were invented for the
>needs of the music industry, there's been no reason to create a
>dual-sided drive.  You would need to have read-head mechanism on both
>sides of the disc.  So far, there's just been no need for them.

For marketing reasons it would be essential to have double-sided
discs play in existing single-sided drives.  This means that both sides
must have the same direction of spiral and both start from inside out.
So the top and bottom lasers must both see the disc rotating in the same
direction; i.e. (assuming the disc is actually in one piece) you have to
stop the disc and reverse its direction when you switch from top to bottom
or vice versa. Clearly out of the question for random-access discs, and
hardly any saving (space or otherwise) even for discs where only one side
is read in a fairly long period of time.

The other application for CDs is for continuous media, e.g. music. But the
reversal problem means that double-sided discs aren't a solution for, say,
Wagner operas.  (Double albums and Beethoven's 9th aren't so bad as they
have gaps, but interrupting continuous music to spin down and spin up is
almost as bad as inserting another disc.)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gould@waterloo.hp.com (Dan Gould)
Subject: Re: Electronic Liquidators ??
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:04:02 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Mark Runyan (runyan@cup.hp.com) wrote:
 
: If you are refering to "ERM Electronic Liquidators", their number
: is 1-800-776-5865.
: 
: Unfortunately, I've never purchased from them, so I
: can't tell you how reliable they are.


I *have* purchased 5 discs from them and am extremely happy with all five.
The service was fast, the operators friendly.

I give them five stars!



--
Dan Gould
gould@waterloo.hp.com
From: pjs@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter John Swiatkowski)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: What is the access time on the cheap Mitsumi?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:41:21 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

In article <1993Jan6.005522.25123@lclark.edu> harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:
>>
>>From my reading of the BBS CD-ROM conference: Mitsumi have released a new
>>model drive (500 in the model number I think) which still uses their
>>proprietary interface but has 350ms seek times and is fully multi-session
>>XA and photo CD compliant. The selling price is generally a bit higher by I
>>have seen vendors offering it for less than US$200.
>
>Do you happen to know what size buffer it has?

32K I believe. Not a lot but more than many of its competitors.


Peter Swiatkowski
University of Melbourne
AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: 75300.1324@COMPUSERVE.COM (Nick Arnett/GO MULTIM)
Subject: PhotoCD consumer players
Reply-To: Nick Arnett/GO MULTIM <75300.1324@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:32:11 GMT

All,

A few days ago, some posted a message saying that Kodak was projecting sales of
100,000 consumer PhotoCD players in the first year.  That's incorrect.  Kodak
announced that shipments *so far* are 100,000 units, in the short time that the
players have been on the market.

That number is shipments to the channel, not sell-through, though Kodak says
that sell-through has been strong.

I checked this with Paul McAfee, who is in charge of public relations for
PhotoCD at Kodak, to make sure that I hadn't misunderstood what he had told me
at MacWorld.

Now for my two cents.  This is a very impressive number, even if sell-through
was only 50 percent, which would be surprising.  It shows me that if you offer
consumers an easy-to-understand product, they'll buy it, even if it's pricey.

Since there was such a big flame war here about the degree to which PhotoCD is
proprietary, I'll also add that I asked the Kodak folks (at the Kodak-SuperMac
press conference) about their plans for enabling desktop production of
PhotoCDs.  Their answer was that personal computers still don't really have the
horsepower to routinely compress PhotoCDs (the algorithm is quite
asymmetrical).  But they're talking much more about desktop tools than they
have in the past.

Nick Arnett
Multimedia Forums on CompuServe

(Paul is a regular visitor in the CompuServe Multimedia Forum)