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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga for musicians (was Re: Falcon 030 vs. "next generation" Amiga)
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:15:10 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1ab50gINNeuj@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>Some of the great
>stuff by Blue Ribbon SoftWorks (did they change their name to or from
>that?) like Bars & Pipes Pro, well known stuff like Dr. T's stuff,
>available editors, and some of the advanced SunRize boards are some of
>the most powerful things available for ANY computer system.

	Ummm... no way.  One of the Amiga's weakest areas is MIDI and
music.  No Amiga MIDI package compares to the Mac's Performer or Vision.
(B&P Pro is good only if you like the "pipes" metaphor.)  There are NO
professional quality Amiga scoring/notation programs.  (Dr.  T's "Copyist
Professional" is NOT pro quality, due to several terrible design flaws.)
Digidesign has a several-year headstart over any Amiga company in digital
audio processing.  Heck, the Mac already has several integrated MIDI +
direct digital recording packages.

	As you all know, I think the Amiga is a fabulous computer.  But as
an electronic/computer musician for the past 13 years, I definitely believe
that the Amiga suffers in comparison to other music platforms.  And it's a
damn shame, too.

                                                        Dan

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:38:08 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>So, what's the difference between these incredibly wonderful, new age, genius
>idea slots and our 6-year-old A2000 technology???

  The OverDrive socket in a PeeCee and the CPU slot in an Amiga are two 
entirely different beasts.

  OverDrive gives you a new cpu chip that has an internally doubled clock,
you don't get a faster memory bus and possibly a faster SCSI interface like
the Amiga cpu boards give you.

  -jack-
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 30 Sep 1992 09:42:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (One Way Mail) writes:
: 	Try using an amiga with 512k and one floppy disk drive [no harddrive]

I have.  A friend has a 500.  It's not great, but it's by no means
awful, and he's running 2.04, too.

And new systems are all selling with a full meg of chip, so that's
even more reason.  C= is trying to raise the base level from 512k to a
full meg--they've succeeded.  Even games manufacturers are beginning
to take advantage of a full meg and require it for some games.

And they're usually the last to change.

: 	Sure it would be good if users didnt have these setups,
: but they do - and all those other machines I mentioned work
: extremely well in the base setup - the amiga does not.

I disagree.  It doesn't leave as MUCH memory as some of those others,
but it's by NO means unusable.  Some aspects could be improved, and
they have, for future OS revisions...

: but the reading and especially directory listing actions should be at least
: as fast as other platforms.  Ever used an application which used
: one of the built in [ha ha ha ha pre 2.04] file requestors - and had
: to wait ages for a directory listing?  A good OS not only has a good design
: but is also a pleasure to program and use - in all setups.

That's due to ASL.library itself.  And the rewrite that has already
taken place and is in the process of being released is a HUGE
improvement in speed.  Anyone who's running it can tell you that.

: 	Really?  I base my opinions not just on what I personally think -
: but what the people I know and see think.  I have not heard one
: single complementary comment about the look of 2.04 from anyone except
: amigaoids.  All I can imagine is that the 2.04 team were held back by
: some compatability problem with the 1.3 stuff - who is CBMs resident
: graphics artist for this sort of thing anyway? I havent heard a name.

What makes you think it's ugly, out of curiosity?  And they _ARE_
improving it:  3.0's got another improvement, and that's the selection
of pens.  They've added a huge number of them, which gives you a lot
of ability in the way of color selection, enough to warrant giving you
a "sample window" in the preferences editor, menu and all.  If you
want to talk about now, then you should consider 3.0, the next
revision which is currently being relesed for the 4000 and eventually
for everyone.  2.1 improves your first problem, 3.0 improves
everything.  I say C='s doing a damn good job.

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:23:13 GMT+2
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Distribution: world
Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article ??? mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
> In article <1936flINNrp6@falcon.natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
> >
> >	Somebody mentions that yes, HAM is the only way to get more than
> >256 colors simultaneously with AGA but it is available on all resolutions.
> >But my point was that HAM just isn't useful for much besides looking at
> >still pictures.  For example; can Workbench run in HAM mode?
> 
> This is silly.  First you state "not useful for much", then you
> cite something useless as an example (without stating anything
> useful that is lacking).

I think that Workbench could run in HAM8 quite easily.  HAM8 has 64
register colours so basically HAM8 is the same as 64 colour screen plus the
ability to do the Hold And Modify trick.  It would be very simple to add
HAM support to graphics.library functions.  Workbench could show
HAM-pictures in windows.  These HAM pictures don't affect register colours
so the window borders and other "normal" colours in Workbench wouldn't
suffer.  But if the HAM window was in backgroud, it would suffer (its
colours would be wrong).

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    Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
    Helsinki, Finland, EC?      hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi
From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 1 Oct 1992 13:32:30 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: give money now!

In article <1992Sep30.180106.8492@lth.se> e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>In article <1aauckINNm2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
>>How about this - I'm a poor grad student trying to pay off auto insurance
>>and make payents on a Celica GTS and ~$30K in loans, while paying rent,
>>assorted expenses, and rather large tuition bills.  Better? :)
>Psssssssssssst, wanna' trade your car ??????? I'll give you an A4000.....

Only if you give me an extra $12,000 with the A4000 :)

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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:39:28 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

> 	I've been reading about Windows NT.  It sounds like it will have
> 	everything AND the kitchen sink.  The average desktop user might
> 	not need or want all those features.
> 
> 	IMHO, if it turns out as slow as Windows 3.1 they better wait 
> 	for the P10 to come out before releasing it.

I visited "Systemutveckling 92" (a fair for software development) and 
there I found out that Windows NT will be *much* slower than Windows 
3.1, infact it will be about as slow as OS/2.

But I guess they aren't aiming at the average user.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:00:45 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>>According to a german friend of mine and some german Amiga-magazine
>>there will be an A1200 with -020, AGA, and a harddrive before 
>>christmas (that's christmas 1992 for all you pessimists out there...)
>>for about half the price of an A4000.

>	Is this Commodores idea of a joke.  

  No, but it's my idea of a guy who doesn't have a clue about what he's
talking about. All `facts' presented by this `Stefan Gimeson' are total
fabrications.

>   An 020 system selling for $1850
>   with no monitor.  I thought this was supposed to be Commodores low end,
>   low priced AGA system.

  As I said, the guy is clueless. Just ignore him.

>							G.Greene

>>Stefan Gimeson               (e91sg@efd.lth.se)          
--
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:13:04 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1aascpINN3ci@network.ucsd.edu> simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee) writes:
>In article <doiron.0evn@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.114200.28585@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
>>> In article <1992Sep25.185157.12184@lth.se>, e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>>>>In article <9226916.974@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:

	[I am poor, oh so poor, pleeeeze give me a free Amiga, my life
	is so tough, I have no tweezers, etc.]

	Right.

	You wimps don't know what "poor" IS.  If anybody deserves a free
A4000 due to financial constraints, it is I.

	You may think I own an Amiga, but this is false.  Even if I worked
24 hours a day, 365 days per year, my total annual salary would be negative
twenty-six cents.  I cannot AFFORD the luxuries that all you Commie
Bourgeois Proles take for granted, with your satin keyboard covers and
milk-chocolate mousepads.  You make me SICK.

	I am so poor that I can't even afford to POST NEWS.  When I want to
post something, I write it down on USED PAPER, using an ink made from MY OWN
BLOOD, and then sit outside the local university computer room looking
pathetic.  Eventually, some kindly student takes pity on me, types in my
article, and posts it.  If I am lucky, he knows how to forge Internet
addresses so it looks like it came from "barrett@...umass.edu".

	After a hard day of writing articles in blood, I go home.
I say "home" rather loosely, since in reality I cannot afford an
house, apartment, or room.  Instead, I live inside an old, abandoned
Amiga floppy drive:  an original A1010.  I wait in fear of the day
somebody discovers the drive sitting in the bushes and takes it home.
Then I will have nowhere to live.

	And don't even TALK about food.  Food is essentially non-existent.
I stay alive by going to the local university library and eating the extra
glue from the book bindings.

	So PLLEEEEEZE, Commodore, take pity on a loyal lost soul and
send me a free A4000 and maybe a box of "Wheaties."

					Desperate Dan
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 in stores by October 7
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:41:26 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <54106@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	My dealer (The Memory Location, Wellesley, MA) told me yesterday
>that he just talked to Commodore, and his store will be receiving A4000's
>by Wednesday, October 7.  Wheeeee...!

That's good news.  I'll have to stop in and check them out.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Palettes and stuff (was Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:49:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.214359.16063@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.181449.16225@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>	So, how well does the Quadra's non-interlaced graphics transfer to
>>video tape? Maybe I should get a Quadra if it transfers to video tape better
>>than my future Amiga 4000. That's of course if I find time to interweave
>>my video work with school...
>
>   Who cares about video, really?  
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

	Marc, I knew when i posted the above that the Quadra is non-interlaced;
thank god the Amiga is! Notice my pun (interweave instead of interlace)? I care
about video! And so do ALL of my friends except two who have Amigas! 

	People watch TV. People watch more TV. People watch movies, then more
TV. In fact, probably 90% of the US households HAVE A TV! And I am probably
under the figure!

	I wish Barc Marrett were still here, since he was so much more 
exciting. In case you wondered why he never posted again, it's because he
doesn't know how to use vi, and his unix site does not have jove.


	Marc, why don't you go read some hypercard stacks or something.



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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
: 
: > And just to have some more fun, Greg could add these:
: >
: >		Single bus system	separate busses for CPU&gfx
: >		No copyback cache	Copyback cache
: >(well, perhaps this was a bit too much :)
: >		No HAM-modes		HAM-modes
: >		No copper		Copper
: 
: 	Thank God we don't have to put up with HAM modes.  The 65K color mode
: on the Falcon is much much better (it is actually usable for more than still

And why on earth would it be at when we can have more colors at higher
resolutions? TGhe only problem with HAM is when one needs radical and
quick color changes, but not even that is a problem when used in
other than 320*200-resoltution.

: picture applications).  So I don't even consider HAM mode when I compare the

Stills? It's very cool for animations as it only wastes 8 bits opposed
to 16 of the Falcons mode (and god knows how much that 16-bit mode
slows Falcon down...).

: machines, this means AGA has no usable method of getting more than 256 colors
: on the screen.  And the ST has had DIG (device independant graphics) since
: its release in '85.  So the system actually supports the 65K color mode!

If Atari has had DIG from '85, then why did most of the software
strictly _need_ a color monitor or a b&w-monitor? That definately is
not DIG nor even RTG.
	HAM is very usefull method of havin 256k colors on screen -
it's much faster than the true-color modes of Falcon and still
pictures as well as animations look way cooler. (warning, warning -
the last sentence was written in MB-style, ie. without even seeing any
HAM8-pictures).
	Atari Falcon has no usable way of having 640*480/8 bits w/o
interlace or having 640*480/16 bits with interlace because those modes
are so slow and therefor practically unusable. (again, a MB-thinking
warning - however I don't think I even have to see the system as
anyone woith some common sense can find out that by sharing the same
bus with display DMA & CPU and not having a separate bus for CPU one
eliminates most of the possibility of having a fast system.)

--
Jarkko Lindblad
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Timothy Matthew Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:10:49 GMT

In article <0ekpbzq00WBL44RlR1@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Brian T Cheek) writes:

>I'm going by the most recent specs I've heard  on the Amiga 4000:
>Commodore DID NOT upgrade the audio portion of the Amiga 4000 

The current sound capabilities are limited to the existing Paula, however
a DSP board has been announced at the WOC Pasadena show. Your mileage
may vary. 

>I am a synthesist/sampleur (good term ?)  Which computer do I need for
>Sequencing and Direct to hard disk (D2HD)?

Assuming that the DSP board will be available as either a Zorro II or
Zorro III card, this will more than adequately accomplish the above and
then some.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Subject: Re: A3000 and AGA:  One Step Close To A Harmonios Solution?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:08:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

This is a test...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: flash a4000 price
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:54 EST


Skip Sauls writes,

SS>I'd guess that other models will follow in the coming months.  If C=
SS>were to announce an 020 or 030 AA machine (A2200?) for less than $2000,
SS>they probably couldn't keep up with the demand.


 They might not have to release an A2200 Skip. The Amiga 3000 is selling for
$2400 right now. With the release of the Amiga 4000 we should be seeing the 
Amiga 3000 dropping below $2000. This would be a more attractive computer then
an 020 Amiga! Of course the AGA chipset would have to be added.

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC Videotapes
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:26:10 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.181430.8355@unlinfo.unl.edu> summ50@cse.unl.edu writes:
>	Lurch/Mr. Hom is definately NOT played by Mick Fleetwood...
>	they don't even look anything alike.
>

True, but have we ever seen the two of them together ?  :-)

>|    Eric Elliott            summ50@cse.unl.edu         GEnie: E.ELLIOTT7   |


		andy
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Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 19:02:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct4.213421.7675@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
  <1992Oct5.063532.17215@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>

>Geeze folks, true floating-point isn't the be-all end-all of number-crunching.
>Any computer scientist could tell you that floating point arithmetic is all
>hooey anyway, particularly on digital computers. If you're not smart enough to
>be able to scale your numbers to fit into the size of words you got, then you
>aren't smart enough to be trying to solve whatever problem you're working on.

Damn. I suspected my Numerical Analysis classes were a form of torture, but
until you confirmed it, I wasn't really sure.

>In a real-world application

There's really no such thing.

>Personally I think hardware floating point support is just a crutch for folks
>who are too lazy to write an intelligent solution to their problem.

Yes. Damn that 68881 & 2.

>  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

Tom Krotchko @ Home, but does a lot of computer science junk during the day.

<g>

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko