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From: pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk (Paul Moore)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:47:11 GMT

rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Randy Smith) writes:


>Let's look at Windows NT.  Microsoft has said that NT is for high-end PCs and
>RISC-based machines, it has integrated networking support, *real* multitasking,
>and [my opinion] will be too expensive for the "common" end-user PC.  So NT is
>clearly going after the PC server market where Novell has something like
>70-80% of the market.  Getting the rights to the best multitasking OS around

What is this man talking about! UNIX has a lot of things going for it but
technical superiority isn't one of them. I assume thats what he means by 'best'.
UNIX was specifically written not to be very clever. I can only assume that
he has never seen a 'proper' operating system. This shows , however, that
commercial success (or even non-commercial success) is not related to
technical excelence - it is usually a matter of being in the right place
at the right time (and being virtually free to start with - as UNIX was).

>that has had something like 20 years of development and who knows how many
>actual manyears of development sounds like a pretty good idea to me.  Also
>NetWare 4.0 has been written in C so it's fairly portable.  UNIX systems have
>been kinda shunned by the whole PC LAN office environment and this may be
>the way to bring it all together.

>Good luck to Novell and death to Windows NT!

>--Randy--

>-- 
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>C.E.T.A. Corp                            rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil

>"Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments
>for going on believing as we already do."
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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 26 Dec 1992 20:49:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly) says:

>In article <1haorvINNfek@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) says:
>>
>>>Just to interject some sanity here - when was the last time you checked
>>>prices for UNIX software?  Why don't you do that before talking about
>>>making huge amounts of money.  This is the problem - UNIX will never
>>>make it to Joe Blow's desktop as long as the prices are that obscene.
>>
>>
>>        USL educational discount - $50 per machine
>>
>
>	Yeah, but I think the point is that for the average user - meaning 
>companies ( smaller ones ) and individuals.  Currently, most PC vendors 


       Yes, but on the other hand, how many individuals are looking for
   Unix capabilities?  Novell is seeding the future with their discount
   on Netware, just like Apple.  I see the USL as the same situation.

>bundle DOS and Windows WITH THEIR PACKAGES - Unix must always be bought 
>seperately.  And not everyone is able to take advantage of an educational
>discount.  
>
>
>>>
>>>t.
>
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>
>
>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: gulik@rtsg.mot.com (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: 3B2 console connector
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.155744.12154@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> kstox@admips2.naitc.com (Ken Stox) writes:
>Does some kind soul have the pin outs for the RJ45->DB25 console
>connector for a 3B2/310???
>
>Many thanks in advance,

If someone has a nice ASCII text copy of the pinout diagram,
please send it to me for inclusion in the 3B2 FAQ.

-greg


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From: alberg@netlan.jpr.com (Al Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: What good is a non-deductible IRA?
Keywords: huh?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:03:42 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: NETLAN, Inc. LANLINK ONLINE BBS - New York City

prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:

> (Pradeep K Tapadiya) writes:
> >But many growth funds offer a plan to automatically reinvest the capital
> >gains. As long as I don't receive any cash in hand, I don't pay any taxes.

Is it me or is this thread somewhat misplaced?
Don't waste our bandwidth... if we were interested, we'd read the 
investment groups...

Al

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From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: GCC 2.3.2 compile problem on 3B2/400
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:49:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.040206.24732@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> pete@othello.dartmouth.edu (Pete Schmitt) writes:
>After making the target as stated in the FAQ, I get the following error:
>
>       cc  -DIN_GCC   -g   -o cccp cccp.o cexp.o version.o obstack.o ` case "cc
>" in "cc") echo alloca.o ;; esac `
>undefined                       first referenced
> symbol                             in file
>index                               cccp.o
>rindex                              cccp.o
>
>How can I fix this?

I doubt this is the optimal fix, but I went through the source
and changed all references to index()/rindex() to strchr()/strrchr()

Once I did that, the build worked fine.

-greg

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From: rl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (roger.h.levy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: Low level drive format on PC6300
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:10:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Dec29.213207.28487@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, k2ph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (The QRPer) writes:
> About once a year I get the "opportunity" to low level format
> a Seagate ST225 or equivalent for use with some old PC6300.
> I know there is a way of doing this with debug, but I forgot
> how.  As I recall, the interleave should be set to something
> nonobvious as well.
> 
> If anyone can tell me how to do this, I would greatly appreciate
> it.  This time I'm going to write it down, put it on a floppy,
> and store it on 3 different computers.  :-)
> 
I don't know of a way of doing this with debug - that's the method
typically used to access a routine in the BIOS of an AT compatible
machine that does LL format.  For the 6300, there are a couple of
programs available that may be downloaded from the AT&T BBS.  I use
"lowform" - you may specify an interleave (3 or 4 should be right
for an ST225) or for a 6300+, lowform will figure out the optimum
interleave.  In the past, I've relied on Spinrite for interleave
optimization.

The AT&T BBS is 908-769-6397.  About 6 months ago, the new care-
takers at NCR devasted this board, which had provided a lively
discussion of the 6300.  The message groups are gone but one may
still download from it.  In typical AT&T "out-of-touch-with-the-
rest-of-the world" fashion, the communications parameters for this
board are 7-E-1.  You'll contact a UNIX box which asks you to log
in as "guest" or something similar.  I don't think the administators
were imaginiative enough to make this BBS look typical.

Roger Levy
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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:22:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) says:

>Just to interject some sanity here - when was the last time you checked
>prices for UNIX software?  Why don't you do that before talking about
>making huge amounts of money.  This is the problem - UNIX will never
>make it to Joe Blow's desktop as long as the prices are that obscene.


        USL educational discount - $50 per machine

>
>t.
>

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Subject: Wanted: 80-120 Mb MFM HH drive for AT&T Unix PC
From: David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:24:17 EST
Organization: Hidden - I don't speak for them...
X-Stuff:      <This should be witty, but I'm too tired right now.>

I'm looking to expand the AT&T Unix PC (7300) that I recently bought
from 20Mb upwards so I can do things like get a newsfeed.  I'm looking
for *working* MFM drives in the range of 80-120Mb.  It must be HH.

Any help with configuring the Unix PC for that drive would be appreciated.

   - David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian)
Subject: Re: sV3.1 useability
Organization: a consultant's basement
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:45:05 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Howard E. Motteler (motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu) wrote:
: 
: Is SV3.1 for 386/486-based machines still 'interesting,'
: (useful, viable, etc.) given that BSD for similar hardware is
: free for the FTPing?  I picked up an new old copy including the
: development set (all still shrink-wrapped) for what at the
: time seemd like a good price, but I haven't got around to doing
: anything with it.  Mostly because I'm still getting lots of use
: from an old but loaded 3b1, and don't even have a 386 box yet.
: 
: What machines, esp. newer machines, will it run on?  Does it
: know about, e.g., ide drives?  
: 

I run AT&T 386 SVr3.1 at home, and it works on 386SX/16 and 386DX/33
machines, and supports MFM, ESDI, and SCSI drives.  It does not support
IDE.  It has no networking except RFS, and no X windows, but I miss
neither.  No man pages either.

It is a solid platform.  I have Dell SVr4 at work, but like this just as
well.  You should get my shlm for multi-screens, and my pol to add
select() to the system, both posted to comp.sources.misc.  You should
also get the patch diskette from AT&T/NCR to fix the u-block security
bug.

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From: rl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (roger.h.levy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: Adding 2nd 360K floppy to an AT&T 6300
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:38:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Dec19.000156.14000@chg.mcd.mot.com>, heiby@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby) writes:
> The floppy controller on the 6300 motherboard supports two floppy
> drives.  You apparently need a different cable.  You should be able to
> get one from AT&T or other vendor.  Email me if you need a phone
> number, and I'll try to dig up the contact information for AT&T.

There's nothing special about the cable - it's the same as for any
other dual floppy so why pay exhorbitant AT&T prices?  Most dual
floppy cables have a "twist" to reverse the drive select signals
that go to the A drive.  This allows all drives to be jumpered
identically.  You can also use a simpler cable that doesn't have a
twist (you can make it yourself for less than $10).  Just make
sure that drive A is jumpered as drive 0 (or equivalent for your
floppy) and drive B is jumpered as drive 1.  With the twisted cable,
jumper both drives as drive 1.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: 3b/400 speedups
From: rthomas@hakatac.almanac.bc.ca (Robert N Thomas)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:36:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sir HackAlot's Castle BBS, Port Alberni, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Dec29.162910.16424@serveme.chi.il.us> greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) writes:
>My 3B2/400 is currently running at 14 MHz.  To do this, I got a
>14 MHz crystal, and the complete chipset which has been rated
>for 14 MHz.

     Greg,  I think we would all find it "MOST INTERESTING" if you could
discuss this a bit further..  Was it a 3B2 type KIT you purchased, or
did you just purchase some "FASTER" chips from from semi-conductor catalog.
I for one would be REAL interested in hearing about exactly what chips you
replaced??

     I thought about trying something with the CLOCK crystal, but thought it
might through the system's CLOCK into OVERDRIVE  (ie it might run too fast?).

>One note.  Before I did this permanently, I attempted to just replace
>the crystal, but keep the 10 MHz chipset in the machine and it
>worked.  I only ran it for a few hours, but no problems developed
>in that time.

     This is indeed most interesting...  I think I'll give it a try, and
see if "SMOKE" appears???  I wonder what the "heat" factor would be for
the CHIPSET, running a few extra MHz??  Did you check the time for any
"speedups??" when you did the above??

Thanks for your note Greg!

					---- Robb ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: Reptilian Research, Toronto, Ontario,  CANADA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:09:51 GMT

In article <X3R9VB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
>While I agree with much of what you have said here, it reminds me 
>of what seems to a problem unique to the Internet. I suppose I
>shouldn't be surprised given that the place is still largely populated
>with technical types but the "Micro$oft bad, Bill Gates evil, Bill Gates
>badbadbad, NT sucks" stuff amazes me. 

geez, people who care about the quality and ethics of those in their industry.

that is a problem.

maybe if we all acted irresponsibly, and basically screwed whoever we need
to to make huge amounts of money, this industry would be a better place.

i'm sorry, but this attitude don't cut it.

>As an investor I couldn't give a flying fuck what
>problems people have with a company on a product/emotional level -- I
>just want to make money on smart investments and the source is
>irrelevant. It is baffling that there are people up here who
>simply refuse to invest in/give credit to Microsoft and make any
>money on a stock that has proven to one of the greatest boons to
>investors this century.

money isn't everything.

the Fortune 500 waste a huge amount of money on consultants who are blowing
steam, putting in management that haven't got a clue, and acquiring resources
based on the stability of the vendor, rather than quality.

i think that some of the mega-corporations would make more net profit if
they paid more attention to what they are putting out, as opposed to what
their current stock value is.

i've seen IS departments where they have people whose full-time job it is to
shovel money out the window.

if you don't like the attitude of USENET, go back to Compuserve.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: Wanted - RFS for SYS V 3.1
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:19:55 GMT

In article <1h4htjINNjp1@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mireley@arnou.cem.msu.edu.brewery writes:
>I would like to put RFS on a 3B2-400 to aid int the port of
>and application from the 3B2 to a SPARC 2. Is it worth the 
>effort? Where can I get it? How much does it cost. Does any
>one want to give it away?

I'm running RFS between a 3B2/400 and a Sun-3/60.  It works.
There are a few quirks, and you better have 4 MB of memory
on the 3B2 do have the performance of the 3B2 be reasonable.

Other than that, the I/O seems to be faster over RFS to the
Sun's SCSI disks than to the 3B2's own local MFM drives.


-greg

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From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:00:33 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <Bzo5zH.B6y@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>jmatrow@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (John Matrow) writes:
>
>I'm wondering if other people could tell me what the implications
>of this are.
>
>Does this mean that Novell is stacking up Unix against Windows NT?
>I think a head on fight with Microsoft would be viewed very
>negatively. Microsoft is a big company with no debt and a long
>record of success. It is viewed as the next IBM (well, maybe there's
>hope for Novell after all :).
>
[ Article Deleted ]

  It may not be such a bad move to get Unix more into the mainstream.  Novell
has more experience and greater success in moving application and os software
than AT&T / USL.  Also, I have seen some recent articles which state that 
Microsoft may be facing anti-trust legislation requiring that it be broken up.
We all know how long it took AT&T and the Bells to recover from divestiture.
Maybe Novel can take advantage of that.  And as for a head - on fight with
an IBM like company, look at the Pc makers.  Nobody views them too negatively.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:46:14 GMT

In article <1haorvINNfek@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>        USL educational discount - $50 per machine

... which only educational institutions qualify for.  Which still doesn't
make it a reasonably priced alternative to NT.
--
-- Christophe

"I draw the line at Styrofoam packing kernels, you sick pervert."
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From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:32:31 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <1haorvINNfek@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>
>In a previous article, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) says:
>
>>Just to interject some sanity here - when was the last time you checked
>>prices for UNIX software?  Why don't you do that before talking about
>>making huge amounts of money.  This is the problem - UNIX will never
>>make it to Joe Blow's desktop as long as the prices are that obscene.
>
>
>        USL educational discount - $50 per machine
>

	Yeah, but I think the point is that for the average user - meaning 
companies ( smaller ones ) and individuals.  Currently, most PC vendors 
bundle DOS and Windows WITH THEIR PACKAGES - Unix must always be bought 
seperately.  And not everyone is able to take advantage of an educational
discount.  


>>
>>t.

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>>


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From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: 3b/400 speedups
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:29:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.152156.22894@tigger.jvnc.net> mtcusa@tigger.jvnc.net (Multilingual Technogies Corporation) writes:
>Rumors abound of ways to get a 3b/400 to move faster, things like
>faster clocks, etc.
>
>The FAQ on the usenet archive doesn't say anything about this.
>
>Any ideas?

They aren't rumors, they're true.

My 3B2/400 is currently running at 14 MHz.  To do this, I got a
14 MHz crystal, and the complete chipset which has been rated
for 14 MHz.

One note.  Before I did this permanently, I attempted to just replace
the crystal, but keep the 10 MHz chipset in the machine and it
worked.  I only ran it for a few hours, but no problems developed
in that time.

Another note.  Running at 14 MHz has caused some problems.  I recently
had a lot of problems with the machine.  I think one of the memory
cards got flaky.  I replace both of them and swapped motherboards,
and things seem to be working OK again.

The difference in performance is quite noticeable.

-greg

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