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From: GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Arabian Knights Dinner Theater
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:48:50 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

To the best of my knowledge, the Arabian Knights Dinner Theater is an
affiliate of Al-Marah.  I believe that the manager is Bazy Tankersley's
son.
I've had friends that have gone to a lot of the dinner theaters on the
East coast and they were highly impressed by the Arabian Knights.
If I ever get down to Florida I intend to see the show.
         --Gina
From: crj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Walter Farley and Glenn Randall
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:05:56 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Ah----Walter Farley.  Spent many hours, reading each of everyone of his
books.  And wishing too.  Has anyone read his book about MAN O'WAR, If I
remember right it was written from the grooms point of view.  A good book.
I had some correspondence with Mr. Farley but over time have misplaced
the letters.  Didn't Glenn Randall train the BLACK STALLION for that movie?
What a lose when Mr. Randall passed on last May.
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From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: English riding lessons in Sydney?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:35:50 GMT

In article <2B103BCD.26600@ics.uci.edu> pazzani@pan.ics.uci.edu (Michael Pazzani) writes:

>In January, I'm starting a three month sabbatical to the University of
>Sydney.  Can anyone recommend a place where my daughters (age 10 and
>12) can continue their English riding lessons?  We arrive January 10

I might be able to give you some suggestions. I'll follow up with 
email soon.



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From: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman)
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Cc: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:58:00 +0000

fa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)

>         I was talking to my farrier (this guy is good value - not only do th-
e
>         horse's feet benefit but you get advice on how to live your life,
>         which courses to study at university and he fixes cars too) about
>         calcium/phosphorus balances. Something I didnt know was that an
>         imbalance in this  Ca/P can cause mental problems . Does anyone know-

>         anything to support refute this theory?
> 
Don't know about mental problems but:

        Calcium is required for muscle function, blood clotting and
bone development. A deficiency of calcium in a young animal causes
rickets, a condition in which the bone is not fully hardened. The
bones become weak and the long bones may bow.
        Bone is a dynamic tissue. It is constantly being remodelled
and calcium removed and replaced. The condition known as nutritional
secondary hyperparathyroidism (NSH) causes more calcium to be removed
than is deposited, weakening the bones. In some bones, particularly
those of the skull, connective tissue invades the affected bone,
which actually increases in size. Hence a common name for the
condition is big-head disease.
        NSH usually results when a diet containing low levels of
calcium and high levels of phosphorus is fed. The high level of
phosphorus impairs the utilization of calcium, the blood level of
calcium drops, stimulating the parathyroid gland to release a hormone
which increases the rate at which calcium is removed from bone. The
condition is often caused by feeding high levels of wheat bran, which
has a calcium to phosphorus ratio of 1:12. Hence NSH is also called
bran disease.


Taken from 'Veterinary Notes for Horse Owners' 17th Edn. Ed. Peter
Rossdale, Chap. 43, The Nutrition and Feeding of Horses.
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: XC Schooling Safety Question
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:03:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1992Nov19.205608.10117@sco.com> helen@sco.COM (Helen Dilworth) writes:
>I don't remember what Bea's horse did at the Foxfield Derby, but Derek won
>it a couple of years ago.  I don't remember whether it was on Fieldmaster or
>Our Busby, but that horse obviously didn't have any trouble figuring out that
>those fences were not solid.
 
I think it was Our Busby -- I was actually there!  I'm not sure
your conclusion follows though, as he didn't knock 'em down!

I still wonder if it wasn't sort of like the Reeses' commerical:
"What are these stadium fences doing in my cross country course!"

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:31:06 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <Bxtuov.AJs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () writes:
>The earlier posting on the horsey dinner theatre, while I don't have
>answers to your questions, reminded me that I had been to a few
>down in Florida over a year ago while we were on our honeymoon.

Can you tell me where in Florida these three threaters where?  Also
someone else wrote to say that there was one in New Jersey.  Where
is that at?  Living on the east coast (Virginia) either of these
would make a nice "long weekend" kind of vacation.  (With three
horses and a pony, that's the only kind of vacation we can afford!!!!)

Thanks,
Marian
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: High White and Bald Face in QH
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:48:25 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


Do any of you QH people out there know the latest ruling on high white on
QHs?  I do know that occasionally QHs do produce paint horses, otherwise
known as 'crop-out' and can't be registered as QH.  However, a friend of
mine has a filly who has white stockings all around all the way up to
her hocks in back and knees in front, plus she has a wide cockeyed blaze
that goes completely over the nostril on one side and around the mouth.
It looks like a regular blaze that has slid sideways, in other words, she
is bald faced but only on one side.  Does this disqualify her as a QH?

Sue
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From: ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring)
Subject: "brumbies"
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany, Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:14:41 GMT

Hi.

A couple of days ago, I watched an interesting documentary on German
TV about the killing of the wild horses (called "brumbies") in the
Australian bush.

They die like flies anyhow, because farmers and ranchers fence in more
and more land, so that the animals can't move around anymore they way
they used to and can't reach their water wells and their grass.  So lots
of them die simply from thirst and hunger.  But that's not enough for
the farmers:  they pay whole crews of people (criminals in my opinion)
who either drive (by helicopters) whole herds of brumbies into corrals
by hundreds and thousands, from where they sell them to be turned into
dog food, or simply shoot them from helicopters.  Either method is
unbelievably cruel.

When they drive them by helicopters, the horses are in such a panic
and hysteria that many of them stumble or run into trees or rocks
and break their legs etc.  Inside the corrals, where the horses are
never fed, and on their way to the trucks, the men beat them terribly
to make them go this way or that.  The horses often end up wading in
their blood on the trucks (standing or lying, because usually the
trucks are so crowded that the horses can't move at all).  The ones
that fall down with broken limbs during the hunt are simply left alone
right there to die from hunger or thirst.

When they shoot them from the helicopters, which a lot of the farmers
prefer, because it's cheaper, the shooters only take care that the
horses fall down.  In most cases the shots don't kill the animals,
but again hunger or thirst does, or loss of blood for that matter.

The TV crew talked to members of parliament etc. about the whole
thing -- only to find out that it was considered perfectly legal!

Has anybody here ever heard about this before?

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From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dutch Warmblood Pintos
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:10:05 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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Isn't Art Deco a Tobiano Warmblood?  Maybe he is the sire of the one
you mention?

-Sarah Pallas

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From: kudra@hubcap.clemson.edu (sallie j kudra)
Subject: Re: Anyone Know This Song?
Keywords: Tennessee stud
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:38:00 GMT

jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy) writes:



>An old song popped into my head this morning, and again I
>was frustrated that I have forgotten the words.  Then I 
>thought, maybe rec.equestrian can help me out!

>The song is a Country and Western type and includes some
>great guitar picking.  The name is "Tennessee Stud".  Does
>anyone know all the words to this song and can you direct me
>to an album that includes the song?

>I do remember the verse went like this:
>   
>   The Tennessee stud was long and lean,
>   Color of the sun and his eyes were green.
>   He had nerve and he had blood,
>   And there's never been a horse like the Tennessee stud.

>Great song!

>Thanks,

>Janet Levy
>jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM

Janet,

Get or borrow the first "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" by the Nitty Gritty
Dirt Band.  Doc Watson does a rendition of the Tennessee Stud on it and the
words to all the songs are included.  I can't remember all the verses off the
top of my head, but I've always loved this song.  I've heard another live
version by Doc Watson that had even more verses than are on the Unbroken 
version.

Sallie 

It's nighttime for the generals & the boys at the CIA| Sallie Kudra
Power gone mad in the darkness, thinking they're God | Info. Sys. Devlopment
                    on a good day                    | Clemson Univ., Clemson SC
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From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Storing Tack
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:26:07 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
Distribution: world
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I finally had a chance to look this up.  Here's several different
methods:

1.  From Shirly Grubb, Blue Ridge Saddlery.  Clean using a little warm
water and castile soap.  Apply water base product such as Lexol.  The
seal in moisture with light coat of neatsfoot oil, not compound.  Wrap
in terry cloth and store at room temp.

2.  From Karen Bell, Foxwood Mfg.  Clean with glycerine saddle soap on
damp spomge, being especially careful to remove dried sweat.  While
tack is still slightly damp, go over with high quality leather oil.
then apply paste type saddle soap with a damp songe and buff the
saddle.  Then spray lightly with Lysol to retard mildew.  If it will
be in storage over a year, put it in a plastic bag to retain moisture,
and expect a little mildew.  Store at constant temperature.  Store
saddles on a rack or upside down.

3.  From Karen Golding, manager of Michael Matz' farm.  Clean with
water and a very small amount of ammonia, then oil with neats foot
oil, then coat thinly with Vaseline.  Lay on towels in trunks, do not
wrap so air can circulate.  Vaseline will turn white with time, just
wipe it off and clean lightly with glycerine soap before use.  If tack
feels stiff, apply Lexol conditioner.

4.  Chuck Pinnell, owner, Journeyman Saddlers.  Clean with ammonia and
water;  you can douse it briefly in the bucket.  Oil lightly, let oil
absorb, then coat with Kiwi clear shoe polish.  Place in trunk or box
where air can circulate and rodents can't get in.  Store in cool, dry
place with lots of mothballs and a bag of charcoal briquettes to
absorb moisture and retard mold.

5.  Trip Hoffman, Greenbriar Stables, Virginia (field hunters and
eventers).  Clean with castile soap, apply glycerine saddle soap,
polish the metal, and oil anything that's stiff.  For saddles, use
Hydrophane in addition and put on a dust cover and store on a rack.
For strap goods, coat with a thin layer of Vaseline, seal in plastic
bags and put it in a trunk with mothcakes.  Store at a constant 55
degrees.  In the spring, wipe off Vaseline, clean with Murphy's oil
soap, and wipe on oil if necessary.

These are lifted from HorsePlay and Practical Horseman without
permission.  I make no claims as to the effectiveness of any of these
methods.  I hope it's helpful!

-Sarah Pallas
From: sconway@megatest.UUCP (Sharon Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:23:31 GMT
Organization: Megatest Corporation, San Jose, Ca


My suggestion is that you buy a horse first.  I compete in Western pleasure 
futurities (AQHA), and am assuming that if you were at the Congress, you 
too want to show at that level.   A horse that is going to be able to 
compete in Amat. Western Pleasure (or Novice) is going to cost between
8 to 20 thousand dollars, depending on how competitive you want to be.
(Of course I am sure there are horses who are being shown who were 
purchased for less, but I am talking about the norm.)  If you can afford
the horse and the board and the showing costs (training, tack, outfits),
I say forget the mortgage for now !  You are only 25, and have plenty
of time to get your own barn!!

I hope I didn't discourage you.  It is expensive, but definitely worth
it.  And...I was pleased to read you want to show Western Pleasure.

Good Luck,

Sharon
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: cold back
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:03:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	Hi, this horse sounds like he is suffering from a sore
back.  The most probable cause is that the saddle that is being
used on him doesn't fit.  A veterinary exam can determine whether
the horse has permanent damage (lordosis) from being ridden
in an ill-fitting saddle, and also can determine whether the
horse is currently suffering from soreness.  A lay off of several
days to a week is needed to begin the healing process for a sore
back, after that slow work under a properly fitted saddle with
a careful rider will get him over it completely.  It will take
as long as six months of work under a saddle that does not hurt
him to make the symptoms disappear completely, however you will
see a lessoning of his apprehension pretty quickly after switching
to a saddle that fits.  Check with your vet about saddle fit if
you have a question.

				Tracy and everybody
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Western Saddle Questions...
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

Hi.

I have Santa Claus convinced that I need a saddle for Christmas!  I've been
taking lessons for almost a year now and plan to start leasing this summer
(when the car is paid for).  I am trying to accumulate tack bit by bit (no
pun intended) since I eventually intend to own my own horse.  Hopefully
this will lessen the financial shock to my husband (a.k.a. Santa).

AAAAAnnyway... I think I may want to show eventually too.  Everyone at
the stable where I am taking lessons is very high on Ted Aldal saddles.
I plan to buy something used and something suitable for showing if I decide
to do so later on.  Is this saddle the absolute ultimate or what?  I know
he must have some competition, but nobody talks about any other type of
saddle at all.  I plan to spend up to $800.  Also, what does the size
measurement refer to?  My trainer says I should probably look for a 15 1/2.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Anne.

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From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re: Winter Pasture Care
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.220836.5144@synapse.bms.com>, detoro@synapse.bms.com (Dave Detoro) writes...
>Last spring we planted about two acres of pasture for our horse and pony.  
>It came in pretty well but it didnt seem to get real thick.  By the end 
>of the summer we had to supplement their feeding with hay.  Just about 
>2 weeks ago we took them off of the pasture.  I assumed we would keep 
>them off until the spring figuring this would help the pasture come in 
>better next year.  However someone just told me we might as well let 
>them stay on it all winter that it wont make any difference.  If this 
>is true we would rather since it will give them more room to romp and 
>at least some grass to nibble on.  
> 
>Can anyone help in this decision ?  If it makes any difference, we dont 
>normally get much snow around here.
> 
>Dave   
> 
> 
>-- 
>==============================================================
> Dave Detoro     net: detoro@bms.com   work #: (609) 252-5990
>==============================================================   
> 

You don't mention where you are located, so I don't know if your grass actually
GROWS all winter like it does down south. But here in Iowa where winters are
pretty severe, I take my horses off pasture while the grass is still several 
inches high. This protects it somewhat from winterkill and keeps the horses
from compacting the soil during all the freezing/thawing periods we get. Nothing
makes for a rougher pasture than horse hooves on wet ground. I feed big round
bales all winter in a 3 acre lot, so the horses get a little running around
room even in the winter.

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
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From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Subject: Stadium warmup (was XC Schooling safety)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:10:38 GMT

C Duke previously writes

Some cross country horses like to 'rub' the stadium fences--this is mainly
corrected for by the rider putting in a more accurate ride, i.e. not getting
in close to the fence.  The technique my trainer has recommended for my horse,
is jumping over a fence that gets his attention just before he goes into the
ring. Such a fence might have a blanket over it and/or be about 3 to 6 inches
higher than what he'll face in the ring (I compete in the 3' to 3'6" category)
Also, I try to make sure my horse is fit enough, so that he doesn't get tired
while jumping--for then that's when he's most likely to rub.

This might be good advise for show jumping, but in combined training,
you would be eliminated for schooling over something (blanket) that
is not part of the natural obstacle as provided.  Also, in warmup, 
the maximum height for a warmup jump is 3'11''.  I've seen the
technical delegate come out and measure a warmup jump and warn
the trainer that it was at max height.  BTW, the new proposed rules
don't mention the blanket and set the warmup height at no more than
4" higher than the max height for that level.
  Many years ago, before the blanket rule, I placed a red towel on
the warmup jump for my wife. She was riding a spooky horse and wanted
him to see something other than natural rails.  He refused the 
warmup before he got anywhere near it. It took another 10 minutes
to get him settled down again, so this practice can have adverse
consequences.  As for telephone poles that come down, I would sure 
hate for one to land on a horses legs.  It might do some serious
damage.

--
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804-924-7409
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dressage bitting
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:50:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1e1623INNl96@rave.larc.nasa.gov> patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:
[LOTS of stuff deleted]
>... If we were really holding to
>tradition, the top levels would be ridden in the curb alone,
>with one hand on the reins.
>...
>Realistically, by saying that the highest levels of 
>dressage will be shown with a full bridle, we are admitting right
>up front that we have no intention of schooling to the highest 
>levels in the art of horsemanship.  

Well, this is only true if you assume that the ancient masters were
absolutely correct and that horsemanship has made no progress in
the intervening time!  One certainly HOPES that that is not the case,
though arguments can be made for giant steps backward...

What is the argument, aside from simply tradition, for the "superiority"
of a severe curb as sole bitting?
		    ~~~~
>Having said all that, the real reason we use a snaffle at the lower
>level tests *is* a legacy of one great master, de la Gueriniere.
>(he didn't use a snaffle for long, as I have said, but he was
>an extremely skilled rider who would not commit the errors most
>people of today would, like overbending and getting the horse
>behind the bit on the curb).

Many lower level riders prove you can also do this with a snaffle!

>It is his "balance through bending" approach that emphasizes
>bending in early training that lends itself to use of the snaffle.
>Basically, you put a horse in this position (frame), and through
>lateral bending exercises that require the hind legs to engage more
>and more, the horse eventually discovers where his balance needs to
>be. It is at this point that we go to the double bridle. Most
>people use the snaffle to control bend and frame, and the curb
>to control balance (although they probably wouldn't explain it
>that way). It is also interesting to note that the horse starts
>to close down on his hocks at 4th level.

Since a number of upper level riders do school in a snaffle, it
seems to be the case that balance can also be contolled with
the snaffle.  Also, how do you seperate "frame" from "balance"?
It seems to be that "frame" without balance is a "headset", and
incorrect by definition.  Bending is something else entirely.

This implies that the curb is what CAUSES horses to begin to close
down on the hocks -- the curb does seem to be a more refined tool
for longitudinal control, I am not disputing that, but I thought
it partially went the other way around -- you begin with the curb
when the horse is sufficiently advanced!  It also does SEEM to make
sense to me that a snaffle is a better aid for bending than
a curb, so why, other than convenience, would one want to do
away with it?

What IS the real goal of modern dressage?  Is it the same as 
what de la Guerniere was after?

I suppose the bottom line is that bitting is still much more of an
art than a science!

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
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