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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts...
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:51:16 GMT

From article <1992Oct10.172554.2284@cs.cornell.edu>, by tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer):
> In article <Oct.10.12.11.54.1992.1218@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>>
>>but from all the reports we have in the n.y.c. area, his #1 choice
>> to go to is the yankees.  if they offer him anything remotely near
>> market value, he's probably going to go there.
> 
> I imagine that he will.  This is one of my reasons for picking the
> Yankees to contend in 1993.  Cone has often stated that he likes New
> York but hates the Mets.  The Yankees are a rich team in need of an
> ace-quality pitcher.  Unfortunately for the rest of the division, it
> looks like a perfect fit.
> 

Recently Cone has said a couple of things that makes it sound like him
going to the Yankees isn't such a sure thing as we think. He apparently
likes Toronto, he also said he plans on talking to Winfield about Steinbrenner.

I think we all know what Dave is going to tell Cone, thus if Cone didn't like
the Mets for the way they treated him I doubt he will be over joyed at the
prospects of butting heads with George. Mind you this could just be a way
of bidding up his price and if George really wants him I'm sure Cone will
take a couple extra million to put up with Steinbrenner's antics.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: You got to start the righthanders
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:28:47 GMT

In article <7619@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
> 
> Dr. Dave's Game 7 lineup vs. Smoltz:
> 
> 	1. Alex Cole	RF
> 	2. Jay Bell	SS	
> 	3. Van Slyke	CF
> 	4. Bonds	LF
> 	5. Slaught	C
> 	6. Redus	1B
> 	7. King		3B
> 	8. Lind		2B
> 	9. Wakefield	P	(just kidding :-) )
> 
>        David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,


Actually, you could gotten your wish. Some guy on a local radio
station was saying that last night. With a 8-0 lead after pitching
1 inning, Wakefield could have been pulled for Tomlin or somebody
to 'mop-up' for 8 inns. And start Wakefield today. They didn't
'need' Wakefield yesterday ater that 8 run 2nd.

All that assuming you trust the bullpen not to give up 8 runs
in 8 inns.






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From: mcclure@wild.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE: freon Deion
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:50:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Thomas Miller may be right that we Braves fans should stick together and
playoff players should be fulltime, but part of the problem is that many
of us are also FALCON FANATICS. I had earlier posted the question is to 
whether the Braves should have him at all if he was playing football, too.
I'm gald if he helps in any way the baseball team, but I also want him on
the football team. You will not hear me criticize PRIME TIME. We just wish
we could clone him in the fall. GO BRAVES!!!! and best of luck to the Falcons.
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From: joeb@cserver.plexus.com (Joe Brotz)
Subject: Re: Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:24:25 GMT

jrm@zeta.ma.adfa.oz.au (John R Marley) writes:

>Hello, I'm posting this for my flat-mate who's a big fan of Major League
>Baseball.  He wants to know ALL the rule differences between the AL and the NL,
>and which set of rules get used in the World Series.

>I hope someone is kind enough to take the time to reply to this..


The one and only rule difference between the AL and the NL is the 
designated hitter (DH) rule. In the AL, another player bats in the
position that the pitcher would have normally hit in. In the World
Series, the rules for the home team are observed. In the AL park, 
there will be a DH, in the NL park, the pitchers hit (something
the AL pitchers have not done all year).

--
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher I ever    <Joseph A. Brotz         >
saw. Every time he pitches, the other team    <joeb@cserver.plexus.com >
doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver       <UUCP: spool!cserver!joeb>
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: The great sports fans of Pittsburgh 
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:56:35 GMT

In article <ceplMna00YV9E1eatH@andrew.cmu.edu>, Michael Scott Neiberg <mn1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> KDKA television showed a very interesting stat last night.  In the past
|> week the following events have (or will have) taken place in Pittsburgh
|> and drawn sell-out crowds:
|> 
|> 2 Penguin games: 32,000+ fans
|> 3 Pirate LCS games: 170,000+ fans
|> Pitt-Notre Dame: 50,000+ fans
|> 
|> This means that more than 1 in every 10 Pittsburghers will have attended
|> a major sporting event this week. 


  Baloney!! It turns out that 32,000 people attended all 6 games! So, you
can't total all the attendence and come up with the total number of people 
attending the games.


|> Think about how many people would
|> have to show up for New York or Los Angeles to do the same.  And if the
|> Steelers were home they would add another 50,000 to that list.

Huh - that would have not have made a difference. All of them also had gone
to the Pirate games...

;-)

-Ron
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:23:29 -0400 
From: James Francis Thomas <jt2t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bonds in Game 4: The Last Straw
Distribution: na

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 11-Oct-92 Bonds in Game 4: 
The Last .. by Jason Abner Miller@jhuvm 
>         Judging from some of the reactions I've seen posted here during the
> NLCS, at least one person is going to post today and say that Barry Bonds'
> two walks in last night's Braves victory proved without a doubt that he 
> hasn't been choking in this series.  I'd just like to remind everyone that
> Smoltz was obviously pitching around him in those at-bats, and those walks
> do not represent a "good batting eye" or "getting on base for the team".

Obviously, Atlanta must not think Barry is choking.  Pitching around a
guy who is supposedly "choking" is obviously a good strategy.  Gee, now
why didn't I think of that one before.
From: traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburg Fans
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:28:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Qeqo_bu00WBK45JBtm@andrew.cmu.edu> jt2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Francis Thomas) writes:
>The population base of Pittsburgh is only a little above 2 million.  How
>can they expect to draw more fans than cities like New York, Chicago,
>and LA.  Pittsburgh also happens to be in a region with many other
>baseball teams.  The Indians are only 2 hours away, the Reds are 5 hours
>away, the Phils are 6 hours away, the Yanks and Mets are only about 7-8
>hours away.  Looking at this realistically, if you root for the team
>closest to you, Pittsburgh has only about half the state of PA to draw
>fans from.
>

You forgot a couple more nearby Major League teams -- Baltimore is closer than
Philadephia, and Toronto is also nearer to the 'burgh than New York is.  These
two cities are both less than 6 hours away, and Baltimore is under 5.

This, by the way, explains why Buffalo will never have a Major League team, 
despite the bleating to the contrary we heard before the expansion franchises
were announced.  They're way too close to way too many current clubs.

>To add further to my amazement, they thought that the Braves had
>previously won a World Series before.  I'm glad that these folks aren't
>Pirate fans.

But the Braves *have* previously won a World Series.  Most recently in 1957.
Then there's the 'Miracle Braves' of 1914.  Just because those victories took
place when the club represented Milwaukee or Boston, respectively, doesn't
negate those championships.  I'm fairly sure that the team maintains its 
records on an all-time basis rather than limiting them to the current city.
They *do* list Aaron rather than Murphy as their all-time HR leader, don't 
they?  And Spahn as the leader in victories...
>
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
neal	traven+@pitt.edu	      You're only young once, but you can be
	traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu	       immature forever.   -- Larry Andersen
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From: sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm)
Subject: Re: Was Bream Out?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:08:15 GMT

In article <1bju8mINN18d@rave.larc.nasa.gov> bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes:
>From where I was watching the game (not real close to the TV),
>Sid Bream looked out or very very close to being out at home.
>Is it just me or what?
>   --bando
>
>
Yes he was safe.  I videotaped the game and watched the play frame by frame.
It was a close play, but the correct call.  

My God, Gene Larkin last year, Franciso Cabrera last night, you know what 
this means?  Ed Sprague will probably win the series for the Jays! :)

Steven Kelm   sckelm@vincent1.iastate.edu



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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:25:54 GMT

In article <Oct.10.12.11.54.1992.1218@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>
>but from all the reports we have in the n.y.c. area, his #1 choice
> to go to is the yankees.  if they offer him anything remotely near
> market value, he's probably going to go there.

I imagine that he will.  This is one of my reasons for picking the
Yankees to contend in 1993.  Cone has often stated that he likes New
York but hates the Mets.  The Yankees are a rich team in need of an
ace-quality pitcher.  Unfortunately for the rest of the division, it
looks like a perfect fit.

Another interesting note.  Which Blue Jays batters were most effective
against Oakland in the regular season?

Alomar cruised, with a .390 BA, 1.050+ OPS, and 9-0 SB record.
Maldonado batted .343/.439/.543 with two HR.  Olerud also smoked them.
The fourth most effective hitter?  Gruber hit .269/.310/.423.  (And
Borders, while his OBP was a horrible .220, managed a .462 SLG.)

Carter and White sucked royally.  Winfield had only a .147 BA, but was
walked 9 times for a .341 OBP!

Of course these are all on a *very* small sample set.  But who has
produced in the post-season so far?

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ALCS game 5: Why a day game?
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:50:13 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <ldk185INNjeq@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, empcomm@empserv.Corp.Sun.COM (Chet Anderson - Emp. Services) writes:
> I just heard that the A's beat the Jays today--why did they play
> a day game?  I thought I was going to get to watch it tonight on
> TV, but noooooo...
> 
> Don't tell me they were afraid to go up against Monday Night Football;
> even then the ratings would have to be better than during the day.

Yes, they were afraid to go up against MNF.  There are fans out there who
like baseball AND football, you know.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Ooops. I BLEW the call (Re: YOU make the call!)
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:43:15 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.162712.22492@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean) writes:
> 
> In article <Ahn-131092104902@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>, Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
> > OK baseball buffs. It's time for Euge's Wacked Out "You make the Call"
> > 
> > 
> > I had a dream that I was thrown out at home after trying to score from
> > third on a fly ball to the OF. I actually crossed the plate well before the
> > ball came to home, but apparently I had left third too early. On an instant
> > replay, the OF bobbled the ball. The ball hit the palm of his glove,
> > bounced down. He reached with his hand and knocked the ball back up in the
> > air. Three seconds later, the ball was in his glove without having hit the
> > ground. The refs ruled that I had left third right after the ball bounced
> > off his glove but way before he had actually caught the ball. Thus I had
> > left 3rd too early and was out. Inning was over and the Braves' winning and
> > clinching run of the NLCS was nullified in the bottom of the ninth. Pirates
> > went on to win the 6th and 7th game and the NL title. :-(. Barry actually
> > hit a homer in the 7th to make Braves fans say "oohhhh, this IS a strange
> > series."
> > 
> > Were the refs right?
> 
> Arrrgggh. "Umpires", please.
> 
> First of all, please note this is an "appeal" play. The umps don't
> make this call unless the opposition throws the ball to third base
> before the next pitch and asks the umpire there to rule on whether or
> not you left too soon. Let's assume this is what happened in your
> dream.
> 
> I believe the umps made the correct call in this case.  I don't have
> the rule book in front of me, but I believe that the
> "tagging-up-on-a-fly-ball" rule refers to a player having "control" of
> the ball (i.e. not necessarily "catching" it).

I won't make rule judgements without the rule book.
I won't make rule judgements without the rule book.
I won't make rule judgements without the rule book.
I won't make rule judgements without the rule book.
I won't make rule judgements without the rule book.
...

As others have pointed out I blew it.

> The reason for this is part of baseball history. An outfielder, I
> forget who, perfected the art of 'not catching' the ball, in which he
> juggled the ball all the way into the infield before actually
> squeezing it in his glove. The old rule, "catch", meant the base
> runners had to hold until he 'caught' the ball in the infield! 

At least I got this part right! Someone else even knew it!

> "YOU'RE OUTTA THERE!" (on appeal).

Ooops. Sorry. I'M OUTTA THERE!

--
Jim Dean (Internet: jimdean@bnr.ca) +-----+    National Capital Baseball League
mild-mannered computer scientist -->|Phone|--> President. Pitcher. My knuckler?
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa,Ont. |Booth|    Not too legit to hit!  6-0, 1.99
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves' Destruction
Date: 14 Oct 1992 01:43:57 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <Bw37GK.Dt2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
>Again pirates 5 , atlanta 0 , 2nd inning.
>
  Didn't Barry jack one in this game? Looks like that choke label might be
  starting to slip down his neck a little.

  --salty
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:03:11 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <7563@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>
>Excuse me but were in the OPB stat, or any other stat for that matter, is
>Jeff King's "potential hit" reflected?  When a hitter steps to the plate it
>is his job to produce, period!

Therefore leadoff hits are worthless.  And a single that advances a
runner from first to third is worthless.  And walks are worthless.
With the bases empty, the only thing a batter can do which has any
value at all, is hit a HR.

When you are down by more than one run, you need a big inning.

Best recipe for a big inning:
1) Put 2-3 men on base.
2) Hit a HR.

Bonds did his part.

>If your arguing that taking the bat out of the hands of one of the
>top hitters in the game and placing it in the hands of a significantly
>less qualified hitter and leaving it up to him to drive in the run, is
>a positive thing, you're wasting your time.  I rather take the out and
>hope for a lead off hit from King with the chance to pinch hit for the
>pitcher.

Let me get this straight...  You prefer Bonds to make an out, rather
than having Bonds walk and let King bat.  This is supposed to be a
*positive* thing?  Frankly, I don't see how having King lead off the
next inning is better than having him bat with runners on first and
third.  Sure, it would be better if Bonds were to get a hit.  And if
he saw anything worth swinging at, I'm sure he would have swung.  The
only place you can walk on a grooved fastball is back to the dugout.

As for whether I would intentionally walk Bonds in that situation?
Probably not.  Not with a many-run lead.  Even if Bonds were batting
100 points higher than King in that situation, that's only one hit in
ten.  And King has power.  With his power and Bonds' speed, any extra
base hit will score *two* runs.

Do you really prefer a 30% chance of one run to a 10% chance of one
run and 10% chance of two runs?  Why?  Getting one run is pretty
useless when down by five.  Besides, suppose King were to walk?  You
would then have Slaught batting with the bases loaded.  Sounds good to
me!

We are, of course, ignoring the fact that Bonds wasn't swinging the
bat well.  But he really wasn't.  Making a walk more valuable (in
comparison) than it would be otherwise.

-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
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Subject: von hayes
From: cvadrcar@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:02:49 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrcar

What had happened to Von Hayes of the California Angels?
From: mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Game #1 of NL/Mr. October
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:17:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Braves 5...Pirates 1 !!!!!!!!1

In the 1970's Mr. October was a massively strong rightfielder for the A's and 
then the Yankees. In the 1990's, it is a smaller 2nd baseman with little home
run power but who was .500 with runners in scoring position and who went 1-2
last night with the first postseason RBI. His other bat was a shot that would
have broken open the game had it not been for the speedy Van Slyke. Mark Lemke
also played good defense. You don't have to hit homeruns to be effective.

While Smotlz deserved game MVP for his encore on last year's game 7, I would
have given the award to the man they call, "Sid, Sid, Sid, ......."

To you people you think Barry Bonds is a choker, tell me which pitch offered
up by Smoltz you could have hit. Ty Cobb could not have got a hit on the array
of pitches Bonds was offerred. My prediction is that it will be another series
of great pitching duels and as a Braves fan, I heaved a huge sign of relief that
they were able to tag Drabek in game one. 
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From: colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald)
Subject: Boston's outfield
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:19:20 GMT


	Anyone have any insight on what Boston's starting outfield will
	look like next season? You've got Greenwell, Brunansky, Burks,
	Hatcher, Plantier, Zupcic, and probably some others I may have
	missed in the minors.

	I'm not sure of the contract status of any of these guys, but I
	don't believe any are free agents this year.


	Thanks muchly,
		Colin Mac Donald
		colin@ug.cs.dal.ca
From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Final NL MLV's
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:28:08 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake valentin@midnight-blue.cis.pitt.edu:
>
>Amazing. Do I understand correctly that if you replaced Bonds with an
>average LF, the Bucs would have scored about 77 fewer runs over the season?

Not quite.  The 77-run figure wasn't position-adjusted; that's what you lose
if you replace Bonds with a league-average offensive player.  An average LF
would be somewhat better; I hope to post those numbers soon for the various
top players at each position.

>If we had replaced Lind, we would have scored 26 more runs? 

See above.  A league-average 2B is somewhat worse offensively than a league-
average player.

>Can you subtract these values and say that Bonds was worth 100 or so more runs 
>than Lind? 

Approximately.  It doesn't *really* work that way, but it's close.  

>Amazing. 
 
I agree.


-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
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From: hora@ecf.toronto.edu (HO ROBERT ANDREW)
Subject: Re: Canadians in MLB
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:38:01 GMT

In article <Bw84CC.IvL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
>Someone asked about the percentage of Canadians on the Blue Jays vs. the 
>Americans on the Pens, that's easy because the Jays have none. The Pens have
>Kevin Stevens and Tom Barrasso (and undoubtably others) and the Jays have two

Joe Mullen, one of the top wingers over the last decade or so in the NHL, is
also American and played on both of the Penguins' Championship teams.  There's
also a few Europeans on the team (Jagr, both Samuelssons) and I think one
player from S. Korea (Paek?)

>Dominicans (Lee and Griffin, I think) and a Puerto Rican (Alomar) but as far
>as I know, the rest are American.
>
>The only Canadians in the majors are Larry Walker of the Expos and Denis 
>Boucher of the Indians, that I know of. Rheal Cormier of the Cards has the 
>name, but I don't know where he's from.
>
>Ted Kury 


Isn't Kevin Reimer also Canadian (I thought I'd heard he was but I can't
remember).  Also Rob Ducey with the Angels is Canadian, and I'm pretty sure
there's a couple more that were fringe players (I have no idea how many in the
minors)
-- 
Robert Ho
Univ. of Toronto
hora@ecf.toronto.edu
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 18:23:52 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: BarryWatch: Where is it?

barrywatch died when i found that i had to do things besides watch the
playoffs... e.g. homework, test.  alas.  it was a brave little thread.
had its fair share of detractors, but all the great ones do.

as for the purpose of barrywatch, it was meant for one reason and one
reason alone: to objectively state how barry did, in a pitch-by-pitch
situation.  barrywatch had no opinions in and of itself.

it is the author's deep and sincere regret that barrywatch was not
around to record the times when barry cranked as well as the times
when barry blew big wads, for it could appear to the casual observer
that barrywatch was less than objective.

barrywatch - rest in peace.