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From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:46:56 GMT

Hi

I agree with Khaled, all the times I went through beirut airport I
wasn't hassled. Unless you think that searching some of your bags is a
hassle. Also my father and mother went through the same airport three
times in the last year and were not hassled. Recently (two days ago) my
mother and my sister went also to beirut and on the phone they told me
that they were not hassled, in fact they were very satisfied with their
trip.

In fact the hassle was when we had to be searched while going to the
airport from beirut three and maybe four times. Although this added
delays to our trip, I felt much more safe knowing that I am searched as
well as others.

rached

P.S. The hassle in Beirut's airport was not more than NY airport (JFK)
to me personnaly.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Lebanese Shii dismissing Islamic Republic
Organization: UiO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:12:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.185639.29075@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I.
Mourad) writes:
>Brad quotes from the Iran Times:
>
>Adding to new sounds from Hezbollah, the party's secretary general,
>Hassan Nasrollah, recently called for the Syrian Army to withdraw
>entirely from Lebanon.
>
>Elie replies:
>
>Its good news...  :-)
>

indeed! congratulations!

we want the Israelis out of South Lebanon too! all occupation forces out!

elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Israel vs Syria
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:21:06 GMT

Maybe some people in Lebanon (or in the US and Cannada?) are do not view Syria
as the arch enemy and see only Israel as the real enemy of Lebanon.

There are others in Lebanon who dot view Israel as the arch enemy of Lebanon,
but gives the priviledge of this title to Syria.

Well I am happy to see that there are meny more LEbanese who see both
occupations as such and do not halv problems with calling them by their right
name.

yet what should those who hold different views do?

unless they belive that Lebanon is part of Syria or that Lebanon is part of
Israel, it should not be difficult for them to accomodate the other side.

What do I mean: every time i speak to diplomats or other official people here
in Norway about the situation in Lebanon, they tell me that we Lebanese should
agree first on what we want. I am sure that these people have learned this
argument and use it to evade the actuall questions.

Yet if Mr. Samir and Khaled an Rached said: we want to live with our fellow
Lebanese and these are bitterly opposed to Syrian presence in Lebanon.

Then if Mr. X, Y, Z (for I have no name of anyone who does not call the ISraeli
occupation as an occupation! Lahd could be an axample?) say: we want to live
with our fellow Lebanese who are so bitterly opposed to Israels "presence" in
Lebanon.

then we come to the consensus. Neither "occupation" or "presence" is acceptable
since it is against the wishes of at least a major part of the Lebanese
population. THis means that instead of arguing agianst eachother on words, we
jointly achieve each others wishes: get foreign forces out of Lebanon.

THis is based on the assumption that neither part insists on the presence of
one of these forces. In this case I believe that we can not come to a
compromise.

Who wants all foreign forces out of Lebanon?

raise your hands!


elie wardini
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Gee, where did all these Baathists come from?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:10:05 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <Bw83nD.J5@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.114426.8673@ulrik.uio.no>
e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>
>>
>>
>>Yes Rached, the Lebanese government under the presidency of Amine Gemayel,
>>September 1983, officially asked Syria to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
The
> 
>[Some Material was deleted]
>>
>>elie wardini
>
>
>Would that date happen to be a year after the "israeli" invasion brought
>him to power?.  Or would it be a year after the Syrian Troops were
>only stationed in the Bekaa Valley and the israeli's were occupying
>two thirds of Lebanon and only a few miles away from Damascus??

Yes! and so? and so what?

I remember very well all the people who came to greet Bashir in Bickfaya after
his election. I saw from which villages and which areas they came. Yes from the
South, the North Beqaa everywhere. 

what does that means? the israelis obliged them to come?

Amine Gemayel as president asked the Syrians to leave. Then Arab league in 1989
asked the Syrians to leave. The fact remains they said no!

yes the Syrians have interests in Lebanon: but whose interests do you want to
defend?

just tell us clearly! Lebanon's or Syria's?

if it is Syria's then we have little to discuss about.

>Samir M. Fahs


elie wardini
From: saouma@inglis.Colorado.EDU (SAOUMA VICTOR E)
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Reply-To: saouma@inglis.Colorado.EDU (SAOUMA VICTOR E)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:18:34 GMT

In reading Khaled's reply to Elie Wardini
with regard to the Airport Hassle, I could not but note the
difference in style and tone when those two compatriots
refer to each other.

A few minutes ago, Elie was extending his hand and arguing
very constructively. As to Khaled's position, .... Oh well each
one of us can decide as to how to qualify it!

Indeed there is a world of difference among us.


-- 


Victor E. Saouma
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:33:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.231032.3786@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>Rached writes:
>Yep, couldn't agree with you more. Make sure to slip that $50 note 
>next time to the customs officer at JFK. Tell him Elie sent you :-)
>
>Regards, Elie.


Much to your surprise Elie, in all my going back and forth to and from
Lebanon I have NEVER ever paid any bribery. To your surprise also the
same goes when I had to go through Damascus (twice) while Beirut's
airport was closed. In fact the customs were very courteous to me
personally as the customs of JFK. This can vary from one person to
another but to me I beleive that if you are not smuggling anything in or
out and are not in a BIG hurry you can go through customs in Lebanon
without paying anything. After all the maximum that they can do is
search all your bags.

rached
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:50:51 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <Bw82sD.KB0@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:
>
>Though it is not the issue here, but I think it is worth bringing to the 
>attention that what is refered to as a once-prosperous nation is
>not exactly true!!!...that prosperity belonged in Beirut and a few surrounding
>areas. The rest of the country was nowhere near that!!.       

I know that isn't the issue here.  I think you are focusing on the minor
point of my last posting, and that is, that Syria played a major role in
destroying what was once a beautiful nation. 

>That was part of the reason of the 16-year civil war; does the word social 
>injustice ring a bell??

Oh yes, very loud and clear.

If Lebanon required Syrian intervention in order to put an end to that 'social
injustice' and civil war, Syria aided in the economical, political, and
social strife and inequity.  And who is specifically benefitting from it?
It sure isn't the average Lebanese.

Why are posters justifying this?  To support a country who's leader is so
ruthless and sadistic as Assad, is only furthering his cause of aggression
and suppression on innocent human beings.  So I should ask *you*; does the
word political injustice ring a bell?

Perhaps you won't answer (I was told that the posters here in soc.culture.
lebanon do not extend any courtesy to women) but it is something for you
and other rational people to reflect on.

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: Story
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 6 days, 8 hours, 54 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.192828.27423@cs.mcgill.ca>, rbaroody@cs.mcgill.ca (Ramzi BAROODY) writes...
> 
>A work of fiction ... well, almost.
> 

  Refreshingly lucid.

  Thank you very much, Ramzi

alex khalil  alex@dt.uh.edu
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: fishing and diving in Lebanon ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:39:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Oct14.004007.11226@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.183639.20746@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
>>hassles.  Now, if you or somebody you know were hassled at the airport
>>Elie, then let us know because your matters do not fall under the
>>realm of my knowledge. 
> 
> 
> Every time I set foot in the Beirut airport I was hassled by either the Syrians
> or the Lebanese "security" agents. I often had to pay bribes to avoid
> having some of my stuff confiscated.
> In 1990 a Syrian soldier took a pair of sunglasses I was bringing with
> me as a gift.
> 
> Maybe the Syrians have some "special" reasons to like guys from Tripoli? ;)
> 
The last time I went to lebanon in june 1992, a Lebanese policeman (DARAK) asked where I came
from and what I do? I told him that I am a student in the US.; he got happy and
said welcome (AHLAN WASAHLAN).  The time before that in 1988 another one asked 
me the same question and I answered the same way; he said in a lebanese way,
where are the gifts, I answered again I am a poor student and I can't afford
buying gifts. He insisted and I insisted, at the end he let me go.  
Another story about "the not so bad system" in lebanon, in 1984 before I came
to the states my brother wanted to naturalize three documents in Beirut. As
every body knows he has to come all the way from Tyre to beirut.  Any way the
guy in charge told him we just naturalize two documents per person per day. My
brother told him: please I came from the south (at that time it was under
occupation; people had to get special pass from the Isreali security in order
to come back). Any way the fair goverment employee said that in his village
there is a new founded organization for poor; then he continued " if you help I
might be able to find a way to naturalize the documents". 
The conclusion is: Bribing in the airport is something that has been there for
very long (well before the syrian came). Not just the airport, 
the whole system is corrupted and need to be changed.
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Thank you but No.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:51:06 GMT

Why does it sound like they are doing you a favor by calling "israel"
an occupier?!!..And they do wait for that something in return!!!.

It is incomprehensible how someone's resistance to an occupier (be it
political, military, or otherwise), if it is their true belief that
"israel" is an occupier, is contingent upon others' view of Syria!!!.

The mere comparison between Syria and "israel" is reprehensible.
Equating Syria with "israel" is incogitable.
-- 
============================================================================
Samir M. Fahs       | " One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed
4925 Dufferin       |   to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean 
Downsview, Ont      |   actions to fear."
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: The "ploy" w-shu kamen ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 20 hours, 54 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:00 GMT

In article <BvrI2p.Jvx@ecf.toronto.edu>, hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag) writes...
>In article <NMOUAWAD.92Oct6161306@neumann.waterloo.edu> nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes:
>>
>>
>>Hello Samir,
>>
>>  I guess we have a misunderstanding here...
>>
>>  I do not wish to deprive you or any one else from your
>>perception/useage of Lebanese. As I said earlier the distinction
>>between a "dialect" and a "language" is always political and never
>>linguistic.
[...]
>>looking forward to read you.
>>
> 
>Hi Naji,
> 
>There might have some slight misunderstandings along the road, but the over
>all idea was clear.  These kind of misapprehensions do occur in the midst
>of heated discussions, but they certainly did not alter the overall perception
>of the problem. And by the way, elie's last posting (not that it was the 
>only clear statement)  leaves no doubt that the AlphaLeb issue has a deeper
>political motivation than originally portrayed. 

  May I *humbly* suggest that we each have a different perception of the use 
AlephLeb can serve in regard to each one's need?

  My need is for a transliteration script that would be as easy to decipher as
possible -cf. Khaled Tabbara-.

  I respect and accept all other opinions/convictions/beliefs as a right to 
their respective holders.

[..mucho deleted..]

>Samir.

alex
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Nationwide Demo for Bosnia,Fri Oct16
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:41:53 GMT
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: NATIONWIDE DEMO FOR BOSNIA [Fri,Oct 16]
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:26:07 PST
Organization: 



                 NATIONWIDE DEMO TO STOP GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA!

                             FRIDAY, OCT. 16, 1992.


       All people of conscience are encouraged to join in a nationwide
       demonstration [to be held in United States and Canada] to bring
       attention to the situation in Bosnia, so that serious efforts
       can be made to stop the genocide of MUSLIMS and CATHOLICS in
       that region of the world.

       Please take some time out on Friday, October 16 to join
       in your local group. You may contact the people listed below
       for more information:

       The demo will be held in over 70 cities in US and Canada.

       #.     Phone no.          Name.
       --     ---------          -------

       1.  313-743-0680    Dr. Haytham Al-Midani.
           313-732-8883    same, in East Lansing, Michigan.
       2.  718-658-1199    Zahid Bukhari, New York City.
       3.  510-527-3283    Malik Alvi, Berkeley/San Francisco, Calif.
       4.  408-926-8720    Abdul Sattar Rydhan, San Jose, Calif.
       5.  703-750-9807    Yassir Bushnaq, Washington DC.
       6.  708-335-0639    Abdul Malik Mujahid, Chicago, Ill.
       7.  713-975-0768    Masroor Khan, Houston, Texas.
       8.  708-547-8012    Ikram Hussain, Bellwood, Ill.
       9.  301-431-2647    Abu al-Qasim, Langley Park, Maryland.
       10. 215-222-5539    Sulaiman Syed, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
       11. 714-557-8675    Sakib Sokolovich [Bosnian], Los Angeles, Calif.
       12. 201-585-8128    Waheed Khalid, Teaneck, New Jersey.
       13. 904-785-6048    Dr. Riaz Albibi, Panama City, Florida.
       14. 306-757-6688    Anwaar ul-Haq, CANADA.

      Please contact your local representatives for exact schedule.
TV and media are invited to cover the event. The above fourteen
persons are some of the organizers. You can get phone numbers of
other organizers in other cities from the above listed people.
The demo will be in over 70 cities in the North American continent.

      GOOD PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS ARE INVITED TO JOIN US!

      GOD BLESS!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:21:15 GMT

In article <4094@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>such a beautiful and once-prosperous nation into a burned-out battlefield!
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
[...]
Material Deleted.
>
>Anisa


Though it is not the issue here, but I think it is worth bringing to the 
attention that what is refered to as a once-prosperous nation is
not exactly true!!!...that prosperity belonged in Beirut and a few surrounding
areas. The rest of the country was nowhere near that!!.       

That was part of the reason of the 16-year civil war; does the word social 
injustice ring a bell??

-- 
============================================================================
Samir M. Fahs       | " One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed
4925 Dufferin       |   to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean 
Downsview, Ont      |   actions to fear."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.203438.23060@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

>
>I do not need any books! I was there myself! I have expirenced their comming,
>and remember very well that they were not welcome. I remember very well having

As I have said earlier, in that Digest it was pointed out that the
phalangist's political bureau at the time (along with Pierre Gamayel)
had a different opinion on the matter than you are trying to show us.
WE were there TOO!!.

>I am not sure about the other areas of Lebanon (North (Tripoli and Akkar) ,
>Beqaa, Shouf and the South).
>
>elie wardini

I thought you said you were there ( not that I am doubting that you 
were there, just your selective memory). Since you are not sure,
it does seem you forgot the reason they came in. and thus You forgot 
the kind of reception they received in the south and elsewhere.
Do the burning of the Zahrani refinary and the destruction of
Saida ring a bell??

-- 
============================================================================
Samir M. Fahs       | " One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed
4925 Dufferin       |   to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean 
Downsview, Ont      |   actions to fear."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Re: Story
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:04:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.144453.28069@prism.poly.edu> medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar) writes:

>Indeed, sharrrul baliyati ma yudHiku, that was, with a single letter
         ^^^^^^^^

A little typo, my finger on the "r" got carried away :-)  Sorry, it
should be "sharrul".

>bassem
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: HELP MUSLIMS; PAY NOTHING.
Organization: LC
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 18:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.183828.15786@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
>e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct08.032236.2429808@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John
>>Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>>not that it is of my buisiness, but would it net better if every Muslim (or
>>others who wish to contribute) gave 5$ to MEF rather than work through a
>>company whose only desire is to make money (even if takes supporting MEF)?
>
>Actually, Elie made a good point.  I think the $5 is a good idea.  But
>since everyone uses a long distance company anyway, it is best to
>choose the one you can benefit from the most.

Right, you are paying the $100 to AT&T anyway, why not join the company
that gives $5 of it to muslim schools, instead of keeping it to themselves
and must pay taxes on it to Israel indirectly.

>As to the MEF study (who is MEF anyway?), it sounds to me that the six

MEF= Muslim Education Foundation.  It is a non-profit foundation.  
As I understand it, it is a group of Doctors, Engineers, Imams, ...etc.
I think Dr. Jamal Badawi is one of them.  NOT SURE, But I saw his
name on the paper work.

>million $$ a month is a little overblown figure.  Unless MEF assumes

Fine, let them only collect 600 thousand, instead of 6 million.  Or
60 thousand a month is great.

>that Muslims make more long distance calls than all the other
>religious groups combined :-) Come to think of it, I always wondered
>what the M in MCI stood for!!!! 

Beats the heck out of me.  I don't think it stands for MUSLIMS. :)

jle
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: fishing and diving in Lebanon ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:30:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct13.054519.20327@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
>krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara) writes:
>
>I haven't heard of anybody being hassled at the airport in the past
>few years.

Really ? You must live on the moon.

> However, I don't know anything about bringing in scuba
>diving equipments.  I am interested to find out too though, anybody?

Well, the answer to this depends on what kind of passport you'll
be carrying. If carrying a Lebanese PP expect to pay either a bribe or some 
taxes on them. 


--

                                 ________
________________________________/--------\______________________________________
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Organization: UiO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:00:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.155252.4420@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S.
Soufi) writes:
>e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
writes:
>
>>To speak of hasseling at the Beirut airport!
>
>>I could cry.
>
>Maybe you are pregnant.

[...]
>
>From what I know, Mazzeh is reserved for those who are really
>effective in criticizing and/or fighting to overthrow the Syrian
>regime.  So, I don't think you should worry!

[...]

>You didn't mention that the Lebanese 'seretee' general was pro-Syrian
>and had the picture of Assad tatooed on his face.  I guess you are
>reserving this piece of info for a future, more effective post.

[...]

>Maybe "they" were interested in the safety of the other passengers
>aboard the plane!  And, what's with that inn called 'check'?
>
>>I have traveld very much, and everybody understands that students take books
>        ^^^^^^^
>And you still don't know how to ssssppppelllll it yet? :-)
>
[...]

>Students carry books so long as these books do not exceed the weight
>limits!

[...]

>You still haven't said how much exactly your knapsack weighed.
>Besides, it is news to me to know that the Syrians are involved in
>weighing in passengers luggage!

[...]

>Definitely, it wasn't God.  Most likely the Syrian guy had to go and
>you were just in his way.
>
[...]

>WOW! I didn't know you played Russian Roulette with the Syrian guys.
>Of course you were playing with your life, this is a very dangerous
>game.

[...]

>I think you ought to stock up on those PMS/sea-sick pills because you
>stand a good chance not to use the airport ever :-(
>
>>elie wardini
>
>Oops!  That's you Elie!  I thought I was replying to a lady from the
>tone of the post above!  I guess what I have said is very irrelevant
>then.  Oh well...


Khaled Soufi in a nutshell?

You know what? I prefer Ramzi's humour!

>-- 
>+-----------Khaled Soufi


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon