From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:42:06 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <JIME.92Apr13001541@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# In article <1992Apr12.070834.2636@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   In article <JIME.92Apr12001214@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# >   # In article <1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   # If the Israeli soldiers didn't fire the guns, the Palestinians
# >   # wouldn't be killed.  All the Israeli government has to do to stop the
# >   # killings is to change their policies of crowd control in the occupied
# >   # areas.

# >	   This is an absurdity.  If the parents would stop sending children
# >   out to throw stones, the Israeli soldiers would not fire guns.  After
# >   all, how many stone throwers were fired on before there were stone
# >   throwers?
 
# Now that we have pretty much delimited the two poles of the argument,
# the true state of affairs must lie somewhere in between.  Both the
# Palestinian rock-throwers and the Israeli policy for dealing with the
# intifada are responsible for the deaths.
 
	Wrong.  The Israeli policy for dealing with the intifada is a
result of the activities of the intifada (which includes the stone
throwing).  That makes those responsible for the stone throwing
responsible for the Israeli response.   One consequence of this is
that those Arab parents who are responsible for the stone throwing are
responsible for all the deaths (inclduing innocent Arabs, many of
which are children) and they therefore should be put on trial for such
acts.

# >   #  The present policy for controlling the intifada by force,
# >   # might, shootings, and beatings has failed.  The Israeli government
# >   # must realize this by now, but they are unwilling to change their
# >   # tactics.

# >	   I agree it has failed.  The Israeli government has been to soft,
# >   weak, and whimpy, which has only encouraged more "palestinian?"
# >   violence.
 
# An interesting opinion.  In 1989 Israeli IDF Chief of Staff Shomron
# said "People ask why we don't end the intifada.  Anyone who wants to
# end the intifada must remember that there are only three ways to
# achieve this:  transfer of the Arab population of the areas,
# starvation, or physical elimination - that is genocide."

	So you agree with everything Shomron says?

# Which of
# these or any other less wimpy policies would you support?
 
	The policy I support is transfer.  Without it there will be a
massive civil war that will make the intifada look like a sunday
school picnic (I know that transfer will lead to some violence, but
this violence will also look like a sunday school picnic when compared
with what will happen without transfer).  However, this is a long term
solution.  In the short term I support whatever policy will end the
intifada with the least amount of violence.  This may or may not
include one of Shomron's solutions.

# >   # After all, the Israelis have no consciences, they feel no guilt about
# >   # the ~1000 Palestinians shot to death since 1988.  (sarcasm)

# >	   Whether or not this is true, false, sarcastic or not is irelevent.
# >   It is relevent, however, that "palestinian?" parents are commiting
# >   child abuse.
 
# Statistics which make you uncomfortable you label as irrelevant.
 
	They may be relevent for some things (but I bet you cannot give
one that fits the thread of this discussion - as in do not change the
subject), but whether or not they make me feel uncomfortable they do
not contradict my argument.  If anything, they strengthen it (by
showing the extent of the child abuse).

# >   # Huh?  Haven't you heard, the Israeli military occupies the West Bank,
# >   # the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights, in contravention of UN
# >   # resolutions.  That makes them the occupationists.

# >	   They are there because of wars and threats that were and are Arab
# >   originated.  UN resolutions are nothing more then organized political
# >   bigotry in this case.
 
# So now the UN and most of the world is wrong?  Wake up and smell the coffee.

	I suggest you do the same.  Why is not the UN wrong in your
opinion?
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David Makowsky
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