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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: .sig file
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:05:41 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <XZ70iB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> bpharmon@b-cpu.UUCP (Brian Harmon) writes:

>  Hello all you people in Netland!

Hi, Brian - I see you're slumming these days.

>I talked to Maynard about changing the .sig file line that many of you 
>found objectionable, but he wouldn't go for it......sorry folks, looks 
>like "saying please" didn't do any good either....

Are you surprised by this? (Naaah - you didn't REALLY believe that
these nazi wimps were capable of reasonable behavior... naaah...)

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                  pfaust@b-cpu.uucp (Pete Faust, coward)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:13:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Carl Edman writes:
>I write :
>> Obviously, my whole jusitification and willingness to
>> say "I'm right; they're wrong", is based on my view of this
>> as war.   Can you show me it is not? 
>
>Yes, that is what I suspected you would say - I'm right, they are  
>wrong, so I don't have to play by the rules. 
>
>Maybe you are right. Maybe they are wrong. But if you decide that this  
>puts you above all rules and reasonability, you may risk losing much  
>more than you gain.

    (A)   If you answer, please answer directly; is there a quantitative
          difference between covert action against Terrorist groups (KKK,
          WAR, etc) now, and action against WWII era nazis?   (Check the name
          of White Aryan Resistance...they declared war first; I'd be
          stupid to think otherwise)

    (B)   You attempt to characterize me as looking for an easy out - not
          wanting to "play by the rules".  I'm not sure I understand what this
          statement means - laws are in a state of continual flux and are
          arbitrary.  This is the well established basis behind civil dis-
          obedience.

      
          
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From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 9 Apr 1992 19:58:00 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Apr9.141507.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
|> In article <4605@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>, jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
|> >> } Anyone for an "Impeach Thomas" movement?
|> >> Why?  He voted to throw the case out.
|> > 
|> > Impeach him anyway.
|> > --
|> Ya know, the guy is a fucking punk, but no more so than Scalia, et al.  Hell,
|> Rehnquist, during the 60s, would go and taunt black who were registering to
|> vote.

Are you sure of this one, or is this a joke? 

  It scares me that this black man is being attacked with a derision that
|> is unparalleled vis-a-vis other justices, especially when they are at least
|> as bad.  This same kind of thing occurred at the Reproductive Rights march
|> last week.  I saw a sign that said "Clarence Thomas, Keep your Horny hands
|> of Roe v. Wade."  Obviously, this is racist to the exten that it brings up
|> the myth about wild black male sexuality that was used to justify
|> lynchings.  BTW, I don't like Thomas, and I think it's a disgrace that
|> he (along with 7 others) upheld beatings of prisoners in jail, along
|> with other heinous descisions.  But, I ground my analysis in the recognition
|> of how tokenism, co-optation, and division function in an oppressive society.

How about a little grounding in accuracy as well? Thomas and Scalia were the only
DISSENTERS in the prisoner-beating case. That means that the Court UPHELD the
right of the prisoner to sue for damages by a 7-2 margin. And NOBODY said that
prisoners should be beaten, all that they said was that the Cruel and Unusual
Punishment clause in the Bill or Rights applied to the nature of the punishment
meted out to the prisoner by the State, not to actions committed by agents of the
state who were not carrying out their legal responsibilities. (At least, that's
how I understood it, any legal mavens care to clarify?). And, by the way, this is 
not to re-open the Thomas-Hill debate, but I thought Thomas was DEAD right in
his remark about the lynching. Would he have had to suffer like he did had he
been a Black liberal? I think not. He would have probably had the Judiciary
committee drooling all over him.

> -- Jason

-- srinivas
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: RE: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? ...
From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:21:15 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: lawson
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
From: ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston)
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:30:58 GMT
Organization: Banished CPU, +1(503) 232-6566

Well, it was onlya a matter of time...

70 times in the article the word JEW appears in some form.
5 times in the article the word ZION appears in some form.


Ralph,

You are an anti-semetic scum. You are the sewerage of the human race. You hate 
and try to teach hate, based upon a persons personal selection of worship. You 
and you're ilk created the stench that rose from Nazi Germany. The stench of 
people dieing in a well defined "final solution". Yeah, I've read your trash 
postings stating that the final solution was to help all these people leave 
Nazi Germany... and they did help them leave, by the carload. The left by way 
of the concentration camps. They left by way of gas, and of fire, they left by 
way of bullets and unimaginable pain and suffering.

In posting this article you have again proven that you are nothing more than a 
Nazi scumbag. Unfortunatly, many will not see that you are nothing more than a 
Jew hater. Some will actually try to "argue" the facts with you. You are not 
interested in facts, only in speading more hate to a segment of the community 
that has already paid its fair share in loss.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention... I have four years of rabinical training. I do 
not support the State of Isreal (although I do support it's right to exist, I 
feel that it has done things that do not allow me to support it currently). I 
have walked away from my training and am now a practicing Buddhist. In other 
words... this isn't being posted by some zionist fanatic, it is being posted by 
someone who would be on your better dead list if you and your ilk ever got any 
power in this world. And that I will do everything in my power to stop!

jmi
ivler@mdcbbs.com
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From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 23:38:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.204349.23377@midway.uchicago.edu>
thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: 
>Why do people constantly make this fallacious argument about the First
>Amendment?  Does the Ku Klux Klan's First Amendment rights suddenly
>preclude the First Amendment rights of those who wish to hold a 
>counter-demonstration?

Exactly. The fact is that some people choose to exercise their `freedom
of speech' to deny others their freedom. Five of the six recent
appeals to the UBC President's Office against academic discipline
related to incidents in which male students harassed female students
including feigned threats of rape, etc. (You know the defence, `It was
all a joke. Besides, women like that sort of thing. In any case, you're
infringing upon my academic freedom.') 

Make no mistake. The Klan would, if it had the opportunity, deny any
semblance of democratic rights to, among others, blacks, Jews,
immigrants, Catholics, adulterers, and GLB's. But they know they'll
never reach any form of power. So why do they demonstrate? It's a show
of power. I think that when `free' speech is used to intimidate other
people, it ceases to be free speech. (Note that this does not mean I
would go and heckle David Duke if he were to be addressing a meeting.
It's only when one moves from presenting ideas, no matter how repulsive
that they may be, to actually attempting to intimidate people that one
is justified in trying to drown them out.)



--
\    Vincent Manis <manis@cs.ubc.ca>      "There is no law that vulgarity and
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 /\  University of British Columbia                        -- A. Trevor Hodge
/  \ Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1W5 (604) 228-2394
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS being denied "free speech"
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 07:34:11 GMT


In response to my post suggesting that denying Larry Agran access
to well publicized forums IS a denial in fact of his right to free
speech Michael Demigan (sp?) misses the point rather deftly by noting:

"just because yoiu have the right to free speech doesn't mean anybody
has to listen to you".

But suppose I WANT to listen to Larry Agran, or Gene McCarthy, or
Frank Zappa, or Lyndon LaRouche.  As it happens, I'm fortunate 
enough to have access to usenet, the last uncensored mass medium.
But suppose I depended solely on TV as so many people do? Where 
is my right to listen? 

-Steve
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From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.motss,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Keywords: Use Intelligence
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:21:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <storti.703260565@cdc835> storti@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it writes:
>I am really amazed that you americans still think that KKK ideas are "opinions" 
>Don't you think that applying first amendment to people that, by definition, do
>not apply it, is somewhat ridiculous.
>
>Be serious!! Nazis, and any fascism must be stopped, with violence if necessary
>and even when these organizations are supprtd with government's money.
>(by the way, do you americans know that CIA and your government financed 
>illegal fascist movements throughout Europe during the last 40 years).
>Think about that !! and then try to be more lucid when considering KKK and
>your gov. 
>G.Storti Gajani (milano, italy)

Well..
I don't want to be rude about it 

BUT!

I think that given the track record of Italian politics over the last fifty
years you have less than a leg to stand on in criticising the scope of
American politics.

LUX .. owen

-- 
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mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: hfrederick@igc.org (Howard Frederick)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: How to Get on a Radio Talk Show?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: igc.1296500169
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500169:000:881
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hfrederick    Apr  6 14:15:00 1992


From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick>
Subject: How to Get on a Radio Talk Show?

Hi All:

I working with some folks on a special issue of MEDIA & VALUES,
the quarterly publication of the Center for Media and Values in
Los Angeles.  We're doing an article on "How to Get onto a Radio
Talk Show." There seem to be certain techniques that people use to
get bumped up the list to get their views over the air.  Like say
you are from some small town at the edge of the station's radius.
Or give your point very provocatively in a nutshell to the call
screener.

What techniques do you have for getting on a talk show?  From the
outlandish to the standard, we'd love to list these points.  The
final article will appear in media.issues within about three
weeks.

So in one screen or less, what techniques would you use to get
yourself on to a radio talk show???

Thanks,  Howard Frederick
From: henk@frcs.Alt.ZA (Henk Coetzee)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Celebrating National Meatout Day
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:59:58 GMT
Organization: Earthlife Africa (Pretoria Branch)

Thus spake pciszek@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek):

>ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:

>>I'm amused at your use of the phrase "self important"; after all, you 
>>would sanction the killing of other *sentient* beings for the mere taste 
>>of their flesh ... in my estimation that would constitue "self important 

>Whoa.. hold the phone... you mean somebody has discovered another SENTIENT
>species?  Why hassent SETI been told?  And what standards of sentience are
>you using?  (I have always been fond of H. Beam Piper's "uses tools and
>builds a fire" criterion.)

Yes I thought you might. It's because you're a human. If you were, for
example, a dolphin you may describe sentience differently, say ganging up on
sharks and navigating by sonar. Still, you probably wouldn't eat a dolphin,
because you aren't confident enough in your definition.

Henk

 
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:32:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism

As quoted from <1992Apr14.024246.23835@wam.umd.edu> by spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi):

> In article <1992Apr14.020819.16701@cs.umn.edu> dege@cs.umn.edu (Dege  
> Jeffrey Charles) writes:
> > In <1992Apr13.143832.28733@sarah.albany.edu> mark@fenris.albany.edu  
> (Mark Steinberger) writes:
> > 
> > >In article <1992Apr13.001441.10220@m.cs.uiuc.edu>  
> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> > >>Morally, in my opinion, no one has the right to shout down those they
> > >>oppose.
> > 
> > >Just out of curiosity, Mr. Kadie, would you have been as zealous in
> > >supporting the rights of the German Nazis to be heard in, say, 1930?
> > 
> > >Just what _would_ you have done, if anything, to resist Nazism?
> > 
> >     Did the Nazis have the right to speak?  Yes.  And anyone concerned  
> with
> > freedom should support them in that right.
> >  
> >     On the other hand, the Nazis in their early days did many things  
> that
> > should not be protected, to include physical attacks on communists and  
> jews.
> > Racially motivated crimes should be prosecuted to the extent of the law.
> > Speech, however, is not a crime.
> >  
> Incitement to violence, however, is. Given the past track record of the  
> Klan, it is reasonable to expect that the Klan speech will indeed incite  
> violence....................

I think they'll be steering away from THAT for a while.  I'd say that the
"United Klans of America" case might be a good reason.  Having to use an old
refrigerator carton as your office, cause the court took everything else can
be rather embarrassing.... :)

I don't go to these things.  I don't see any point.  I know they're stupid
already.  A better solution would be to do something POSITIVE somewhere else.

> "Lo yisa goy el goy cherev, lo yilmedu od milchama.......until then, keep  
> the Galil oiled and loaded..............."

Being a 2nd Amendment supporter, I don't worry too much about such products of
inbreeding.  They can speak as much as they like as long as they don't violate
the law.  My family has a long history of being willing to avoid lynching 
through the use of firearms.  I guess it's the Apache blood.... :)

PS - Do you belong to JPFO?  You should consider joining if you don't.  They
run some killer ads against folks like Metzenbaum who'd like to remove the 
ability of Blacks and Jews (who can't afford bodyguards like him) to resist
violent attacks.


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From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:12:07 GMT
Organization: The Witherspoon Excludables

In <ku98e8INN4hh@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu stated:
>>>Somebody else said earlier:
>|> Ya know, the guy is a fucking punk, but no more so than Scalia, et al.  Hell,
>|> Rehnquist, during the 60s, would go and taunt black who were registering to
>|> vote.
>
>Are you sure of this one, or is this a joke? 

Compelling testimony was offered during Rehnquist's 1986 confirmation
hearings that he harassed minority voters while serving as an Arizona
poll watcher in the early 60s.

(Yes, 1986; these were the hearings on elevation to the Chief
Justice's seat.)

-- 
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  Some settling of contents may have occurred during shipment and handling.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: Let's "out" the Nazi!!!!
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:52:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.075436.1@mdcbbs.com> ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com) writes:

> Could someone please provide me with the following information:
>
> 1) the REAL name of the owner of B-CPU
> 2) the real address of the owner of B-CPU
> 3) a real phone number for the owner of B-CPU
>
> Thank you...


If you're offended by B-CPU, how about sending a complaint
to the systems through which B-VPU is connected: agora and intelhf?
Just look at the Path: field.
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:49:06 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.hac.com (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <11368@borg.cs.unc.edu> bell@tigger.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.141507.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>>BTW, I don't like Thomas, and I think it's a disgrace that
>>>he (along with 7 others) upheld beatings of prisoners in jail, along
>>>with other heinous decisions.
>7 of them decided in favor of the plaintiff,  that the eighth amendment
>was somehow relevant in this case.  It really wasn't.  The government did
>not initiate the beatings.  It was the action of an individual empowered
>by the government,  but unless one could show that the government either
>condoned or even encouraged the beatings,  why should this matter?  If

Long long ago in a galaxy far far away there was a gargantuan metropolis
named Lala Land.  It had lots of cops.  They routinely beat people
senseless or sicced their dogs on their defenseless victims for the 
heck of it.  They had a chief who was the most arrogant son of a bitch
(thus the penchant for dogs) you could ever meet, who thought drug
users should be shot, etc.  The code of silence was rigidly enforced.
They threatened anyone who complained.  They were beyond control of
any democratic process.  Nothing could be done until one bunch was
videotaped performing a particularly brutal and senseless beating.
They never had a chance to burn a parliament building and attempt to
exterminate their enemies.  That came another time, when the thugs of
another local tyrant were thought to be mere aberrant individuals.

Granted the individuals should not be allowed the Nuremburg defense 
for their egregious brutality, but should the government be held
blameless and allowed to continue its thinly covert policy of 
encouraging such brutality?  If it is not held accountable, what
incentive does it have to discourage brutality?  Which is more dangerous,
a lone madman with an automatic weapon or a government without
accountability?   How many beatings would you like before you found
the government guilty of negligence or abuse?


	George Tucker        tucker@kali.hac.com
		Just say NO to incumbents.
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Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:23:18 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <BZS.92Apr15185120@ussr.std.com> bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>You should have paid more attention to the nuts they served for
>self-realization...beware of squirrels.

No problem for, er, "Faust," good sir - I don't believe for a moment
this gutless piece of trash _has_ any nuts, and I suspect that no
self-respecting squirrel would have anything to do with him.

His steadfast and cowardly refusal to provide facts about his reputed
(refuted) "offer" and his continued avoidance of questions about his
"many many Jews ..." quote clearly show him in serious condition when
it comes to the nuts department. I suspect his mommie, realizing what
she'd done, cut them off at birth.
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Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 12:45:45 EDT
From: <JPR115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Multifacited B-CPU?

Is it true that Pete Faust, Ralphie, and George etc are alternate net.post
names for pat bucannan?
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