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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Data's cat
Summary: Summary! We don't need no steenkin' summary!
Keywords: monKEY, turKEY, donKEY, KEYboard
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:19:00 GMT
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In article <1992Sep14.165908.27536@axis.dsg.ti.com>, rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com writes...
>In article <92256.130956KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
>|> Followups redirected to r.a.s.misc; this isn't current, people. :-/
>|> >
>|> >>BTW, who's taking care of his cat while he's playing in the 19C?? :-)
>|> >
>|> Hmmm... I would have thought Geordi (Data's best friend, ref. "The Next
>|> Phase"), but he is also "playing in the 19C".  O'Brien and Keiko?  Some
>|> other friend of Data's whom we haven't met?  With 1014 people on board,
>|> and few of them going on vacation :-), it can't be too hard to find a
>|> kind soul to feed a cat.
>|>                                              -- Mike Kelsey
>|> 
>|> >>--Lisa
> 
>Well, if *I* were Data & I had to go on a mission that *might* take a day or
>two I'd probably program the food replicator to automatically provide Spot
>with his dinner (her dinner?).  In any case I would expect that the sound of
>a futuristic food replicator would be the equivalent of a modern day can
>opener.  And, if my cat can jump up onto the counter for dinner, Data's cat
>can get to the replicator shelf for his.
> 
>My question is "does Spot drink out of the toilet" 8-).
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What toilet?  There are no bathrooms on the Big-E!  In the future, excreteing
waste products from one's body is obsolete, and it is one of the criteria for
determining if a planet's society/civilization is primitive (i.e.  Rest
rooms == primitive bumblers) Though I'm sure was 'considerate' enough to have
a toilet replicated so that s/he (the cat) could drink out of it. {;-)>
> 
>|> 
>|> [  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
>|> What is your _name_?    "kelsey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu"
>|> What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
>|> When will you _finish_? "I don't know.   Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh..."
> 
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:07:59 GMT
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Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
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In article <1992Sep13.194052.10334@fripp.ri.cadre.com> rss@gooey.eng-sun writes:
<> I still can't understand why the rights deal precludes the BBC from
<> buying Season 4 onwards *now* and showing them *now*. As far as I'm concerned,
<> the BBC should *not* buy the rights again for the old episodes when they
<> become available in 1994 because of the complete cock-up they made in airing
<> them the first time around (banning one episode, censoring several others and -
<> worst of all - giving it a pathetic 6pm Wednesday timeslot).
<
<Just out of curiosity, what could possibly be in any of the Star Trek episodes that could
<get them banned or censored?
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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 7 Sep 1992 04:42:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Sep7.030236.3477@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu
(Eileen Simpson) writes:
>Whatever you say about TOS, it didn't infict brainless Betazoids on the
>airwaves, and if any kids came aboard, they got rid of them at the next stop.

Hear, hear!  The only way to make up for "The Cost of Living" and similar
dreck is to have an episode where they gather all the children together
and kill them.  It could be promoted the same way Jack in the Box did
when they got rid their clown:  exploding children.
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From: HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Organization: University of Houston Support Services
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:49:09 GMT
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In <1992Sep7.192637.7358@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu writes:

> Followups set to r.a.s.misc, as before.
> 
> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> >In <1992Sep3.224324.13089@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello) writes:
> 
> >>	At the same time, no one will say Patrick Stewart is anything but
> >>a tour de force on TMG - The Inner Light should have made hime worthy
> >>of an *Oscar* (much less an emmy), IMHO. And Data is an *excellent*
> >>character as well. 
> 
> >Stewart and Brent Spiner are both excellent actors, but I would balk at
> >calling Picard a great character (especially over the last two seasons or so;
> >I would not say that "The Inner Light" was any sort of a character study).
> 
> Here's another bit that confuses me just as much as your insistence last
> article that Picard doesn't have strength of character.  You've been on 
> record saying that you thought TIL was a very good show, yet here you claim
> it wasn't "any sort of a character study".  Those two aren't mutually exclusive
> by any means, but I have to ask what you thought it *was*.
> 
> Curiouser and curiouser...
> 
> >TNG's best stories are plot-focused rather than character-focused, 
> 
> I tend to disagree.  "The Measure of a Man", "Darmok", "The Inner Light", and
> shows of that nature strike me as rather intensely character-focused, and
> quietly superb.
> 
> >and though
> >this is entertaining, it falls well short of the best Trek Classic episodes
> >(which tended to be strong in both areas).
> 
> Much as it pains me, I'm not taking this bait.  :-)
> 
> >(Ever notice how Trek Classic had much wittier
> >and intelligent dialogue than TNG?)
> 
> This one I'm taking, Mr. Rooney.  :-)  No, actually, I didn't.  Not when I was
> in my teens, and certainly not now.
> 
> Tim Lynch

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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:16:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.193428.7745@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
|I can.  Several.  I've listed a bunch of them in my exchange with Michael 
|Rawdon.

	You'll have to refresh my memory.

|
|One point that a friend mentioned to me in email is that, particularly this
|past season, the really high points ("Darmok", "The Inner Light", etc.) were so

	I thought "Darmok" was stupid.  Oh look, a PC version of "Arena", with
the most idiotic idea of a "language" that I can think of offhand.  I though
"The Inner Light" was a waste of celluoid.  Thanks for showing me that
Stewart's a fantastic actor, guys...but I knew that already.

|quiet and so understated that people sometimes weren't as quick to remember
|them, unlike the low points, which were not only awful, but took pride in 
|shoving themselves in our faces and *pointing out* how bad they were.  (Things
|like "Cost of Living", some of "Imaginary Friend", "Disaster", some of 
|"Ethics", and so forth.)  As a result, since the bad memories are perhaps more

	I liked "Cost of Living", though it would have been much better without
that stupid B-plot.  The others you mentioned are garbage, especially "The
Towering Enter...", uh, "Disaster".  I kept expecting Irwin Allen to show
up.

|vivid than the good, people are coming away with a negative impression these
|days.
|
|Thoughts?

	I have a hard time coming up with ANY episodes of the series I liked.
"Cost of Living"..."Loud as a Whisper"...the other ones with Lwaxana... the
one after "Best of Both Worlds" (which was garbage)..."Reunion" (my fave --
I only caught it recently in reruns.  It was sad to see that what started
off with such promise was shot dead in "Redemption" before it could properly
develop.  They should have gotten an entire season out of the Klingon civil
war.)  That's about it.  The other epsiodes either have plausability holes
you could fly the Galactica through, or come down to "bullshit energy type
threatens the ship, until Data and Geordi use a different bullshit energy to
make it go away."

	In other words, no, I don't think you're right.

|Here you've lost me.  I can think of a great many shows this season where the
|plot doesn't "hinge on the gadgetry" at all.  Are we using different defini-
|tions?

	See above.

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From: rsvanc00@mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG Clipart
Keywords: clipart mac startrek
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:15:14 GMT

Count me in too, I have some further ideas for NeXt generation
Clipart! :)
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG : Vendetta... re-run or new episode?
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:51:05 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep10.134646.14875@walter.bellcore.com>, semele@clintsalt (Semele Halkedis) writes:
>>I read in the original newsgroup (just the other day) a reference to an
>>episode of ST:TNG called Vendetta.  It was supposed to have something to
>>do with a female Borg [rest of synopsis deleted]
>> 
>>Is Vendetta a re-run, or is this a new episode scheduled for the upcoming
>>season?  
> ...{remainder of text deleted}...
> 
> 
> Vendetta is a book.  The name of the author escapes me at the moment.

Maybe Peter David will remember.  :-)
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Q and Guinan(sp?)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:20:32 GMT

In article <1685D75A2.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.204325.13625@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
>schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> 
>>All we know for sure is that they were both somehow involved with
>>Picard's involvement in Jack Crusher's death.  It's also believed that
>>they hold the top secret document that chronicles Picard's "accident" at
>>the Academy.
> 
>Where was this stated?  I've seen most of the episodes and read most of the
>books, but I've never seen this particular speculation before.

You've edited the text that precedes the section that you excerpted.  It
says something to the effect of "what is Q's connection to Guinan?", to
which I sarcastically replied with the above.



In other words, it was a joke.  Nothing against you, Rebecca, but I
should have learned by now that when ever you make a joke like this,
even if it's something to the effect of "episode #76 gives clear
evidence of Kirk's hidden epilepsy problem," someone will say "hey!
when did that happen?  Is that one of the lost episodes?"

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From: deutsch@cs.arizona.edu (Reverend Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel and/or Anne Lennox in Season 6???
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:47:06 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <18omrdINNa4m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>
>  A friend of mine was watching the EmptyV Music Awards last night
>and said he thought he heard someone say something about either Peter
>Gabriel or Anne Lennox being a future guest star on an upcoming 
>episode of ST:TNG. Did he hear right, or was he breathing fumes from
>a toxic waste facility?  I imagined the latter, since I figured you
>guys would be right on top of this kind of information...  ;)

He was right- they will both be playing Ferengis (sp?).


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From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Inner Light waste of film? (no spoilers)
Summary: I think it is a classic sci-fi piece
Organization: Mississippi College, Clinton, MS, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:19:02 GMT


I've just gotten back to reading this group, so others may have already made
my point...

Someone posted "Inner Light was a waste of celluloid." (Would attribute
this to a PERSON if I could find the article.  1200 baud forces you to
restrict your movements...)

There has been (and will always be) an going dicussion about how good/wimpy
ST:TNG is.  I *DO* tend to find the episodes gratuitous towards the
prevailing politically correct winds.  Often, the scripts are patronizing
and, therefore, bland and uninteresting.

"The Inner Light" is an example of an episode where there was the
potential to fall into that trap.  The writers sidestepped it, though,
and produced a story comparable to a '50s or '60s sci-fi short story.
It had a Bradbury touch, was eerie, and really made me feel as if
Piccard had undergone a significant *personal* experience (rather than
save the universe again).  The show managed to balance the
all-too-often-overplayed "human issues" with an intriguing SF story.

<Craig Lowery>
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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:36:32 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <68117@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
>
> "The Outcast" went about as far as TNG needs to go in dealing with
>our modern problems with homosexuality.  It's always disturbed me to see
>the current writers use TNG as a facade for their 20th century liberal
>"soapboxing".  It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared
>from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the
>24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word
>there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  Whether
>it's the result of one's emotional environment or some undiscovered
>physiological factor has yet to be determined.  When the cause is found,
>however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
>of the past.

Let's nip this in the bud before a flame war starts.  First of all, a
good reference would be the book "Brain Sex".

"Illness"?  Well, homosexuality isn't normal simply because most people
aren't homosexual (I'm not, Sean probably isn't) but "illness" implies
that people are sick and *need* to be cured.  I think a better analogy
would be to disabilities: homosexuals are *unable* to find members of
the opposite sex attractive.

"Undiscovered physiological factor"?  Research has shown that homosexual
men have brains which are shaped "identically" to female brains.
Studies have shown a correlation between homosexuality in men and stress
that the mother was in during pregnancy.  The theory is that when the
mother encounters stress, she secretes hormones which have the effect of
reducing the concentration of testosterone in the baby.  As a result,
the baby's heterosexual orientation is not realized (note that this
orientation is not *aroused* until puberty).

Thread closed.

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: holosex restrictions
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 02:21:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.154557.26779@unislc.uucp> zzekka@unislc.UUCP (Zeke Zecca,B2C10,4827) writes:
>
>I always took it for granit that Riker got his rocks off in the
                      ^^^^^^                    ^^^^^ ^^^

Pun intended?

Somehow, I doubt it.

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From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:11:13 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:

> In article <1992Sep7.030236.3477@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu
> (Eileen Simpson) writes:
> >Whatever you say about TOS, it didn't infict brainless Betazoids on the
> >airwaves, and if any kids came aboard, they got rid of them at the next stop
> 
> Hear, hear!  The only way to make up for "The Cost of Living" and similar
> dreck is to have an episode where they gather all the children together
> and kill them.  It could be promoted the same way Jack in the Box did
> when they got rid their clown:  exploding children.

Instead TOS inflicted us with a brainless Spock! :)
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: selfresponsible machines
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 22:08:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Pat!

[pb] The original title is "The Bicentennial Man".  The noun in the title is
     significant, because Andrew spends most of his life struggling to be
     accepted as a man, not a robot.  It's interesting that the noun gets
     dropped in translation, because his being a man was at least as
     important as his being two hundred years old.
I don't think, the noun was "lost", since "Der Zweihundertjaehrige" implies,
that it is about a male =person=. At least, I understood it this way
instantly. But it would certainly be interesting to have the original text.
Translations usually are not good, at least concerning Star Trek. With
Asimov, I don't know.

[pb] The story won a Hugo, by the way.
Just fine, I don't care about Hugos, Emmies or whatever, I prefer to make
up my own mind. >8-) And this differs very often from other's. >8-) But
it =is= a story close to Data's struggle in "Measure of a Man", where I
was really afraid, they'd permit ... [shudder]

But I believe, people would be afraid of such "robots". I think, that is,
why they attack Andrew, when he first weares clothes, why he has to struggle
so much, later even without his "Little Miss" ... This aspect is lost in
Star Trek.

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
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From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Subject: Re: A Silly Top 10 List
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:39:25 GMT
Organization: A Planet Of His Own

In article <15SEP199217145129@utkvx1.utk.edu> dchatham@utkvx1.utk.edu (Chatham, Doug) writes:
>In article <14SEP92.13062414@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes...
>>8.  Whatever happened to all those planets Kirk visited where he violated
>>    the prime directive?
>> 
>	Violating the Prime Directive is a serious offense which is severely
>punished.  If Kirk had ever violated the PD, he would have been convicted and
>sent to prison.  Kirk is not in prison.  Therefore, Kirk has not violated the
>Prime Directive.
>	But seriously, the cultures of all those planets lived happily ever
>after.

I'm kinda wondering... looking at all the planets TOS visited, and -- more
importantly -- how many women across the galaxy slept with Kirk, shouldn't
TNG crew be finding lots of planets with inhabitants (as least a few, anyway)
who look just like Kirk??? 

;-)

						- greg
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Riker/Troi relationship
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:08:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) is attributed to having written:
 
>Other than the need to meet Fleet Standard Cleavage requirements, why *are*
>there Betazoids on star ships?  They can't catch spies or discover liars or
>much else of value.  Their primary purpose is stating the obvious.


somebody, please shoot me!  I'm about to defend Lawaxana Troi!   

"..can't catch spies or discover liars.."

She didn't have much trouble with Mick Fleetwood and his partner "fish creature"
(Yes that was Mick as one of the fish ambassador/assassins, check the credits)
in the tacked-on-plot device of one episode.

Something like "oh, those two? they're just killers, your transporter didn't
recognize the weapons because of how they're concealed in the clothing..."

When all along everybody else believed them to be ambassadors to some peace 
conference or something.

	An aside to alt.lawaxana.troi.die.die.die regulars:
	<sorry 'bout that folks, but facts ought to be facts>