From: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS CORRECTION
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:31:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


In article <1992Nov10.122938.1852@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
> The last letter should read:
> I find it interesting that you believe you can
> act as a spokesperson for all Africans of any country
> in Africa.  I find it more absurd that you believe you know
> (as a straight person) whether or not the gay culture exists
> in Africa.  Get a clue, gays make up 10% of the population
> EVERYWHERE!!!  

EVERYWHERE!!!!! on what planet? Not on earth I suppose. I come from a
large extended African family with about 150 sexually active
grown-ups. According to your statistics at least 15 of us should be
homosexual. Well sir I am sorry that is not the case and your
statistical 10% is COMPLETELY WRONG. May be it holds true for many
western metropolitan centers like London, New York, Paris or
Amsterdam, but it certainly doesn't apply in the case of my village
and may I add that my village is not an exception in Africa.

Let me restate what I stated in one of my postings. Homosexuality is a
product of western urbanisation. It is unnatural and definately not
African. It had been reported in all major western civilisation except
the African Civilizations of Kush, Punt, Meroe, Egypt, Songhay, Ghana
and Mali.  If you doubt this, go satisfy your curiosity in the so
called "primitive" (original I would rather say) African societies. It
doesn't exist and the word homosexuality doesn't even exist in the
language. This is not to say traditional Africans were so dumb they
couldn't realize people of the same sex could enjoy making love to
each other. The probability that they may have discovered this is
quite high, but it just wasn't embraced by society and was never
practiced or it would have warranted enough attention to at least
merit a description in the language.


> There are plenty of gay bars in Kinshasa, (Zairians)
>  and gays all around you if you just open your eyes, quit being 
> homophobic and educate yourself!!!
> 
> 
> UYT

As one contributor to this debate rightly stated, Africans are bright
enough to learn anything from other cultures that they encounter. To
take the case of Kinshasa in Zaire, this is a big westernized
metropolitan center where you can find Europeans, Americans, Asians,
Arabs and what have you. And when cultures mix certain threads are
exchanged and the most prominent of these are sexual habits. So, sir
if you are as educated as you claim to be you shouldn't be surprised
to find African homosexuals among Kinshasans. I would like to give you
this challenge. Go up to north western Zaire and the Congo basin where
you have some pigmy societies. If you can find a single homosexual
among the thousands of pigmy villagers I will change my name from
SHEMLON to KIYUNG (it means "ignorant fool" in my language).

And will you stop this gay activist habit of calling anyone who
disagrees with them a homophobe. Just because someone says
homosexuality is not natural does not mean he or she hates gays. As I
have stated earlier, any two consenting adults can decide to have
sexual satisfaction any way they want, even through the nostrils, as
long as they are hurting no one. That's okay with me, but don't go
teach my 5 year old in school that that is as natural as heterosexual
sex because that is TOTALLY UNTRUE.

Thanks for the debate.


Shem_the_natural_heterosexual_who_even_dislikes_oral_sex..............
now keyboards_off 
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