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From: rfrance@umiacs.umd.edu (Robert B France)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Carribean vs. West Indies vs Antilles
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:01:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <kua61dINN4vt@news.bbn.com> ckhan@BBN.COM (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B)) writes:
>[... stuff deleted ...]
>>I really think that those of us who play cricket are different!!
>
>That's most certainly true!
>
OK, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here, 
(I finally gave in to temptation :-))
How does cricket makes us different? (I can almost envisage the looks of
utter amazement on Chico's and Veryl's faces over my seemingly ignorance :-))

>Chico.
>(one of few Guyanese on de net)

Robert
(pseudo-Guyanese on the net!)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: vprescod@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Veryl A Prescod)
Subject: Re: Carribean vs. West Indies vs Antilles
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:48:10 GMT

In article <FSMADJA.92Apr6123416@figment.shearson.com> fsmadja@alfred.shearson.
com writes:
>
>Hi there:
>
>I always wondered what was the difference between Carribean, West Indies, or
>Antilles . I guess Antilles if the French version for one of the first two but
>which ?
>
My version of the difference is: If you play cricket you are West Indies!!
Therefore, T & T, Jamaica, St. Lucia, Barbados, Grenada, Guyana (not even an
island), Dominica etc., I consider West Indies.  The Caribbean is all those
islands which lie in the Caribbean, and whose culture does not include cricket,
so Cuba, Puerto Rico, Bahamas (actually I don't know whether B'mas plays) I
consider Caribbean, but not West Indian.  Antilles are those islands which are
Dutch and French speaking!!!

Comments anyone?

I really think that those of us who play cricket are different!!

Veryl
(another Trini on de net)
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Recipe for Conch Dumplings
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:59:20 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <29E49A10.5975@noiro.acs.uci.edu> ecurtis@orion.oac.uci.edu (Evans Curtis) writes:
>
>If we use the same term, in Nicaragua we call conchs the very large mollusk
>whose shell can be used as a horn.  If we're talking the same thing, this
>is the reason we don't eat it.  To tuff mon! :)

	How come the Bahamians aren't giving out their precious recipes on 
this? By the way, I think you have to soak the conch overnight or something
like that. Conch salad (raw conch - cold with peppers in a cup - best eaten 
at Goodman's Bay on Saturdays), conch fritters (fried in dough), stew conch
(like stewed chicken or meat), curry conch.

>On the same topic.  We also know another mollusk we call 'wilkes' (sp?).
>This one is sort of like a snail but large (6-8 oz).  Lives on rocks in 
>around the cays.  Now dis is good stuff, papa!
>
>What do you guys call this one?

	Is this the same as cockle? Then again cockle is usually found in 
the sand...

>Do you folks on the other islands use coconut milk to prepare certain dishes?
>Or is this Jamaican only?  I think this is where WE got it from.
	
	Just had rice that way last week - too good!





-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: jasammer@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN ASHLEY SAMMERSON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Derek Walcott at Duke...
Keywords: Readings.....
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Apr12.160110.22056
Reply-To: jasammer@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN ASHLEY SAMMERSON)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

--

   Yesterday I attended a panel discussion and reading conducted by
poet/author/playwright Derek Walcott. For those who have some trouble
placing the name; he's from St. Lucia and has written "In a Green Night",
"The Castaway" and "Another Life" to name a few of his works. I believe
he also opened up The Little Carib Theatre in Trinidad. He read passages
from his new book "Omeros".

   Anyway, one of the topics that came about during his question/answer
session to which I was oblivious to dealt with the new European Common
Market; and the fact that any amounts of land can be bought or sold by 
individuals within the market. 
 
   This raised the issue of Martinique and Guadeloupe's future; since  
they are colonies of France; they become fair game for buyers with enough 
capital. Mind you, these buyers aren't no longer just the French, but can
come from any member of the ECM. Does anyone have any comments/info as to
are there any stipulations/proposals to avoids this possible/probable 
modern-day re-colonization. Also, are there any other islands that are 
likely to face this colonial castration; the bargaining/bartering of 
peoples' homes to the highest bidder; Anguilla, Aruba, Curacao, British VI?
Those who have more concrete info, hopefully you can tell me that I'm
blowing this WAY out of proportion.

   Ah Gone

John S.
100% Trini
Universally, 
This land is not bountiful as it was
  Simply because, 
In his quest for success
  Nothing stands in man's way
All rivers run dry
  Soon the birds wont fly
    The mountains will be no longer high
And when I 
  Really think of it, I does wonder why
    That the price of progress so high
                    "Progress" - King Austin


*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*       
* Computer Arch & Telecommunications *   jasammer@eos.ncsu.edu *
* Dept. of Elect & Comp Engineering  *  or js@duke.cs.duke.edu *
* North Carolina State University    *  Phone:  (919) 489-0941 *    
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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: hangout.rutgers.edu - Jamaica
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:16:40 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: UB

In article <52888@mimsy.umd.edu> rfrance@umiacs.umd.edu (Robert B France) writes:
>
>Yep, good tip Paul! spent most of the morning browsing through the files -
>found a small spelling bug - to access the info on St. Vincent you need
>to type st-vicent-and-grenadines! Though most of the info is 
>outdated it still is recent enough to be interesting. 
>
>If anyone knows of any other caribbean-related public network files 
>please post to the group or email me.
>
>Robert
>(rfrance@umiacs.umd.edu)

	I found most of the info up to date - like the lower population
levels in some of the islands (Antigua, of course, being one of them) since
the last census in the early 80's. Migration to the US, Canada, the UK and
other islands, no doubt. I also found out that some of the info was the same
as mentioned in the 1992 Almanac (you know, the big blue one for $4.95). 
	By the way, how is inter-island travel done in the Grenadines and 
St. Vincent? Are the islands "closer" (relations-wise) to each other than to
St. Vincent and Grenada? Just wondering.


-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: oba00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (This is only a test)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Yardie Testing
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:07:56 GMT
Reply-To: oba00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (This is only a test)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

This is only a test
From: rfrance@umiacs.umd.edu (Robert B France)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: How to post news messages....
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:25:43 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <702682454@tuna.cs.duke.edu> js@cs.duke.edu (John A. Sammerson) writes:
>
>  It has been brought to my attention that some people aren't sure
>as to ho to post a message in the newsgroups. 
[... important instructions deleted ...]
>     And da'is it....if yuh still have problems lemme know. Yuh might 
>want tuh print dis sheet out so yuh could reference it.
>
 Good stuff there John. I'll also include it in the FAQ file(s)
I'm currently compiling.

Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: eknowles@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (edmund.knowles)
Subject: Re: Calalloo - a recipe
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.230519.28574@sfu.ca> praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Praim Sankar) writes:
>
STUFF deleted
>                      CALLALOO MY STYLE
>                     -------------------
>As usual this recipe feeds 4 with a little left over for tomorrow.
>
>INGREDIENTS:
>------------
>
>crabs -  cleaned and enough for 4 
>1 bunch of dasheen bush 
>     or
>2 bunches of spinach
>6 ochroes- cut in quarters
>1 green congo pepper (scotch bonnet)
>4 oz. coconut milk or cream
>salt to taste
>3 tbs. oil
>3 oz. Vat 19 rum

Hey, this might be a silly question but whats Vat 19 rum?
>
STUFF deleted
>   
>8 cook for 20 mins and drink 2 shots of Vat


drink????????????????????????????
I suspect this might be a bit of humor and I'm spoiling 
it. Sorry, just wanted to be sure.
I plan to try this recipe asap.
>
>
>
Thanks
edmund
From: gdsimpson@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Latino Student Mailing List
Date: 31 Mar 92 21:19:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Mar31.171921.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.


	Hola, me llamo Gilberto and I am the co-chair of La Causa (the Latino
 student group of Amherst College). I am writing this letter because I am 
 interested in trying to set up some kind of communication among Latinos at
 different colleges and universities. What I have in mind is to try to create 
 a mailing list where it would be possible for individuals and organizations to
 talk through the network. If such a mailing list existed, it would be possible
 to do a variety of things like:

   1) Inform one another about conferences and events happening
      on other campuses.
   2) Share information about how to effectively organize as students.
   3) Find more effective ways of recruiting and holding onto Latino students
      and faculty.
   4) Talk about ways to change the curriculum so that it starts to deal with
      concerns specific to Latinos in the U.S. (e.g. Hispanic-American Studies 
      programs)
   5) Get access to news about Latino students that probably is not availiable 
      through the 'mainstream' student magazines about campus life.
   6) Meet people who have a similar background and interest. (e.g. Afro-Latin
      studies is an area where it is not easy to get lots of information through
      the library and a mailing list might make it easier for people to get the
      names of books or references which others have found useful)

	I am sure that there are other things that a Latino mailing list could
 be used for and it would really be up to its members to decide what direction
 it should take. Right now, I am going to try to find out how the list would
 work from the computer end of things and in the meantime I will try to spread
 the word about the list and get the names of potential members. 

	If you are interested:

 please send e-mail to	 lacausa@amherst.edu or
		       gdsimpson@amherst.edu

 and also: if you know of anybody who might want to participate in the list 
           please forward this letter to them so that word of this can get out.

    gracias

 -Gilberto


--
From: v5803ym6@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Willmour M Daniel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: V.I. shout out...
Keywords: St.Thomas and Tortola...
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 Giving a holler to all the V.I. posse out there.  Shout back and let me know 
whats up. Carnival in Rock is on again.  Jam Band will probably run tings again
as usual.  Hear any new jams lately?  

				Rock City/Chocolate City
				      run tings
From: ckhan@bbn.com (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Calalloo - a recipe
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:54:16 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ckhan@BBN.COM (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B))
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Apr13.134905.12462@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> eknowles@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (edmund.knowles) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.214511.14317@cs.mcgill.ca> donawa@cs.mcgill.ca (Chris DONAWA) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.173223.12487@sfu.ca> praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Praim Sankar) writes:

>>>VAT19 is only the best rum in the whole wide world!
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>'atall* 'atall 'atall!  Cockspur is de ting!  Ask any bajan :)

>>chris

>	The rum of choice is  the Jamaican overproof white rum.
>Every knows that!

I beg to differ, gentlemen!  EVERYBODY knows XM 12 Year Old is the best rum
from the Caribbean, don't they?

>edmund

Chico.
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Original Names - Caribbean countries
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:02:05 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BMI1Mz.Dr1@world.std.com> jmm@world.std.com (Jones M Murphy) writes:
>simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>
>>	Antigua - Wadadli
>
>I always wondered, as a boy, what King Shortshirt meant in his repeated 
>references to "Wadadli". This is great. By the way, what happened to King
>Obstinate? He had a series of superb songs around 84-85--"Children's Melee",
>"Crucify Him", "Got a little something for you", etc...
>Jones

King Obstinate, King Short Shirt and King Swallow are all still around, 
although they are more concerned about their respective businesses. Short 
Shirt and Obstinate had albums out in 1990 I think. Usually whenever one
of them enters the calypso competition, the others follow. However, their
days of glory are probably over...they each have many classic calypso 
records between them, especially Short Shirt.

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Caribbean, Antilles, West Indies
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:23:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <BMG9Du.B4v@world.std.com>, jmm@world.std.com (Jones M Murphy) writes:
> ggeorge@student.business.uwo.ca (Gerry E. George) writes:
> 
>>While we're on this topic, I guess it would be agreed that CARIBBEAN would
>>be the most correct name for the regoin.  BUT how does one call people from
>>the Caribbean?
> 
>>I partcularly HATE when North Americans refer to us as "Caribbeans".  It sounds so....(comment reserved).
> 
> Yes, I also find it somewhat irritating. How about using the original
> aboriginal place names? I rather like being called a Waitikubulian, instead of
> a Dominican, although it's rather a mouthful. No more confusion with people from
> the Dominican republic, who would now be Quisqeyanos, as their national anthem
> proclaims. Puerto Rico would officially become Borinquen, while Jamaica would
> remain basically the same, except the J would be pronouced H, like a Spanish J.
> 
> What are the original place names of some of the other countries in the 
> Caribbean?
> Jones

Jamaica would revert to Xamayca, the original Arawak name for the island.

McBean
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Calalloo - a recipe
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:42:10 GMT
Organization: UB


>>VAT19 is only the best rum in the whole wide world!
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>'atall* 'atall 'atall!  Cockspur is de ting!  Ask any bajan :)

>>2 shots of rum while cooking makes the food taste better
>>or at least no worse.
>
>No argument there!


	Actually, Cavalier 151 from Antigua is da best! Never heard of
rum used in food other than Christmas Fruit cakes.

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: v5803ym6@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Willmour M Daniel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: music...V.I.
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Music update-- If you want the new Jam Band, Ecstacy or Imagi I am sending home
for some this weekend.  If you let me know I could give an idea of what the cost
is.

				Rock/Chocolate City 
				    run tings

All Crucian Massive hold tight....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: ggeorge@student.business.uwo.ca (Gerry E. George)
Subject: Caribbean, Antilles, West Indies
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:05:07 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Caribbean/Antilles/West Indies
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Western Business School, U. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Keywords: 

In article <73220@netnews.upenn.edu> perrault@a.chem.upenn.edu (Ange R. Perrault) writes:
>
>	Records of the pre-colonial periods of the tropical islands of the 
>new world are scarce, but I can only tell of what I know from european records
>(french Historians).
>	Based on 'Histoire d'Haiti' when Columbus arrived in the new world 
>thinking he had reached India, but as we know he was wrong. So indians from
>India are known as East Indian, and the indians from the West Indies are known
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This has become a more generic term to refer to all of the people from the 
region.  One interesting thing, though, in Canada, those of East INdian descent
use West Indian to refer "only" to Caribbean people of East Indian descent. 


While on the subject, I fully agree with Patrice Backer as to the correctness
of the name CARIBBEAN.  It is the only name we can currently say is "correct"
since we all now know that "Columbus lied...so bad".  Also imperative if we 
are to cast off our colonial legacy and forge our own identity.

>	The origin of the word 'Antilles' is not known to me. the greater 
>antilles are: cuba, Haiti, jamaica, Puerto rico. The lesser antilles are: U.S.
>Virgin islands et al...( I ask people from those islands to forgive me if I 

More collectively, the easterly islands, which happen to be smaller in size
than those of the Greater Antilles.  One correction, would that be "The Greater
Antilles are Cuba, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and Hispanola (Haiti & Dominican Rep.).

As Patrice pointed out, the French refer to the Antilles as Martinique 
Guadeloupe, etc.  The Dutch also selectively refer to the Antilles as Sint 
Maarten, Saba, etc, (the dutch islands).

While we're on this topic, I guess it would be agreed that CARIBBEAN would
be the most correct name for the regoin.  BUT how does one call people from
the Caribbean?

I partcularly HATE when North Americans refer to us as "Caribbeans".  It sounds so....(comment reserved).

Any suggestions???

Gerry George
(Born & Bred 'Lucian)


ggeorge@student.business.uwo.ca (Gerry E. George)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean,rec.travel
From: dsladden@descartes.waterloo.edu (Darryl Sladden)
Subject: Trinidad & Tobago & Venezuela
Keywords: trip, trinidad, tobago, venezuela
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:42:23 GMT

Hi All,

I am about to embark on a 1 month tour of my home island, however, I have 
never really spent any time there before.  Could someone give me some tips on
things that I should try to see or do.  I am looking forward to experiencing
what life would be like if I had stayed in Trinidad and not come to 
Canada.  Any respones before the 19th would be greatly appreciated as 
that is when I will be leaving.  Thanks All

Darryl Belasco Sladden
From: vprescod@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Veryl A Prescod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Carribean vs. West Indies vs Antilles
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:25:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Apr10.202559.28434
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

>Just had a thought - does that mean that Barbados is not in the Caribbean -
>if I remeber they are just outside the Caribbean sea as well
>
>Robert

But they play cricket, so they are West Indies!!!
Actually, I never thought about that, but you are right, Bim is not Caribbean, 
just like Bermuda, hey, this net should be called rec.caribbean.geography.

Veryl
From: CSRCC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Trinidad Node ID
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:07:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.92097.120727CSRCC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Has anyone found out if them boyz get de internet together as yet.
I do rember someone mentioning that the network was something like
CAUNET. But to de point. Any word from trini on internet??????

P.S. Ah a little home sick

/Colin St Rose
              "Will never miss another carnaval"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: vprescod@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Veryl A Prescod)
Subject: Re: Tobago or Tobargo???
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:45:34 GMT

In article <PLM.92Apr13112221@reggae.bellcore.com> plm@reggae.bellcore.com (Pau
l L. Mowatt) writes:
>I was watching Jeopardy on Friday and they had an answer where the question
>was "What is Tobago".  Tobago was pronounced Tobago as in "embargo" rather
>than as in "bagle", by the contestant.  What is the correct pronunciation?
>--
The correct pronounciation (defined as how it is called by T&Tians) is like
the a in bagle and not the a in embargo.

Veryl
(another Trini on de net)
From: mtitus@umsa.umd.edu (Marvin A. Titus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Recipe for Conch Dumplings
Keywords: Conch, wilkes
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland System Administration

>In article <1992Apr9.152010.5866@HQ.Ileaf.COM> grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) writes:
>>
>>The thing I remember about the conch was how tender it was.
>>Usually its a bit tough.  Any secrets for getting it to
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, why don't you try putting the conch through a meat tenderizer. I
remember my mother (from Anguilla, BWI) cooking conch with papaya (a
natural tenderizer). Man, some conch cooked with butter and lime juice
over a hot bed of white rice with sweet potato (West Indian green kind)
is some real good eatin! Add some homemade hot sauce to the conch, me
son (a Crucian term), you ga some ting good da man!
Try it dis way man, yo gon like it!
>
>
>On the same topic.  We also know another mollusk we call 'wilkes' (sp?).
>This one is sort of like a snail but large (6-8 oz).  Lives on rocks in around 
>the cays.  Now dis is good stuff, papa!
>
>What do you guys call this one?

In the Virgin Islands, we call this wilkes too! It is eaten with rice
(mixed up in the rice). I personally don't like it but I am in a clear
minority back home when it comes to this dish.
>Do you folks on the other islands use coconut milk to prepare certain dishes?
>Or is this Jamaican only?  I think this is where WE got it from.

Yes, it does appear to be a Jamaican ting! But wa, it does taste good!

Me son, all dis talk about food gon make me move up my trip back home by
at least a month!