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From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: The Immobiliser
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:34:26 GMT

In article <BzAxK6.5o0@apollo.hp.com> daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM () writes:
> Has anyone heard of a product called The Immobilser ?
>It's brand new in the US, and over a million have sold
>in Europe over the last 5 years. It's the latest in
>security devices for your car. It consists of an 8 wire
>system that must be installed by a licensed mechanic.
>
>Looking for repair shops or dealerships that would be
>interested in selling this product. If you would like
>more info please email me.
>
>Regards,
>Dave
  A licensed mechanic.   Licensed by who?>
>-- 
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>daniels_d@apollo.hp.com                | "Life is a highway, I wan't  
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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: hit and run accident
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:38:42 GMT

>In article <1992Dec11.190109.17162@unocal.com> stsshol@st.unocal.COM
(Herb Lam) writes:
>>
>>My girlfriend was involved in a hit and run accident couple months
>>back.  Her light had just turned green so she started to make a left.
>>A pickup ran a red light had hit her front left end.  At first, the
>>two men claimed that it was her fault, but a couple behind the pickup
>>was nice enough to stop and said that the pickup ran a red light.  
>>The two men then said they had no license or insurance and walked away 
>>from the accident, leaving the pickup there.  [Funny story here is that 
>>the woman (newlywed copule) told her husband, "Honey, they're getting 
>>away, go get them."  He just said, "What do you want me to do?"]  
>>
>>The police haven't caught the guys yet but have the pickup.  My 
>>girlfriend just got her car back recently but had to pay a $500 
>>deductible.  Is there anything she can do to get some of the $500
>>back?  If the police gets lucky and catch the guys (the guys left 
>>their name tags from work and car registration in the pickup, though 
>>the pickup may not be theirs), should she prosecute?

My guess is that her insurance company would want to do that for 
her.  Chances are, they are out more than $500.  I'd be interested
in what her insurance company had to say.  Often if they don't get
their money, her rates will go up.  My father got hit once while
his pickup was parked (legally and under a streetlight).  His rates
went up because his pickup "didn't have to be parked there".  Gotta
love insurance companies.
-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Electrical Troubles
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:00:57 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Dec12.155445.24900@hubcap.clemson.edu>, Chuck@clemson.edu 
(Chuck Heck) writes:
> Does anyone know the rating of the SHO alternator?  My shop manual lists the
> stock Taurus alternator at 100 amps, but makes no mention of alternator on
> the SHO.

 I think I would give it a D-...

My SHO is having an interesting problem with the intermittant wipers.
They are intermittant.  Some positions work sometimes, others don't,
none of the intermittant positions work all of the time.  Electrical
problems?

My air conditioner has quit again.  this is the sixth time.




Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
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From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:23:55 GMT

In article <4844@ceylon.gte.com>, hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:
> I'm considering purchasing a car bra.  Now, I've heard the pros and cons, but
> still cannot decide.  I'm considering it because I've already had paint
> damage from stones thrown by cars on the freeway.  It's a crying shame.
> On the other hand, they look tacky and are expensive and of questionable 
> durability and may damage the paint (by trapping moisture.)
> 
> So, what is the consensus?  Are they worth it?  Is there an alternative?  I

Not in my experience. The alternative, grit your teeth and bear it :{.

> don't want to have to repair my hood every few weeks.  All the construction
> on the freeways is increasing the probability of damage.  I need a solution.
> 

-- 
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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Subaru Legacy??
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:27:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
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Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Civic LX, Saturn SL1.. what else should I consider...
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Keywords: pl. suggest choices...

In article <Bz3EM3.2Js@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.010613.12778@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article <1g7ohlINNkr0@menudo.uh.edu> rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha  Rao)
>>writes:
>>>I need to help a friend who needs to buy a car in a hurry, thanks to his new  
>>>job.  We need a decent 4-door sedan. Our budget is 12K for car, plus TTL. 
>>>We really liked the Saturn SL2, but at 14.8K out the door with decent options
>>>,we had to rule it out. SL1 is also a bit pricey at 13.5K out the door.
>>>A Civic 4-door LX with just the a/c option seems to fit our budget.  We did
>>>not like the Escort family or the Geo Prizms. 
>>>What else is out there in our price range?
>>
>>Now, here's the comment.  If I were Mr. Rao and I had that kind of money to
>>spend, I would buy the Honda.  There's no reason to even look at another car
>>from another company.
>>
>>In that price range, the Honda Civic is the finest car available for that
>>price, and on top of that, it is made in America.  Honda Civics and Accords
>>are a symbol of American excellence in engineering and manufacturing.
>>
>
>	There goes Mr. Joe again, spreading the s*!t like they do here in 
>Beautiful Central Illinois.  The Escort/Tracer/Protege or the Sentra are great
>cars.  The SL1/SL shouldn't be too expensive, you could try to option out an
>SL, (I don't think that you will miss the P/S) and get it for about $12K.  But
>the Mazda/Ford and Nissan cars are great bets...
>--Chintan Amin

--I agree with everything Chintan Amin has stated.  Hondas are overrated.
  As I said before, there are other excellent cars on the market that are
   largely overlooked.  

--Amazingly, for $12,000 plus TTL you can get a brand new '92 Subaru Legacy L
  with air, cassette, cruise, and power windows/locks/mirrors - a fully
  loaded, reliable Japanese sedan the size of an Accord which sells poorly,
  but is nearly as good as the Accord LX, which is the comparable model.
  Forget the Sentra and the Mazda - this is the car to be looked at.

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
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From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:50:15 GMT

Bill Bill Tuthill (tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
: > 
: > --It's silly of you not to buy an Audi nowadays because of your experience
: >   with your 1970 100LS.  A company can change itself in 22 years you know!!
: >   Japanese cars were not the paragons of reliability that they are know.
: 
: You must be young, or have a poor memory.  Japanese cars from the 1970s had
: excellent reliability, which is why consumers stayed with them.  For example,
: the Toyota Corolla from the late 1970s was one of two ultra-reliable cars
: listed by Consumer Reports in 1980 (the other was the Mercedes 300 series).
: We still own a 1974 Corolla with 250k miles, original engine/transmission.
: It is crude in comparison with today's cars, but refuses to die.  Hondas of
: that vintage had excellent reliability until about 100k miles, but Toyotas
: were probably more durable over the next 100k miles.  If anything, Japanese

Must agree, my '79 Celica GT has over 160k miles on it and it still starts
first try even in the dead of winter. I love it. That's all I have to say,
except that it's a whole lot faster than my '80 Chevette, and gets the same
mpg. 8^)

: cars are less reliable than they were in the 1970s, perhaps because there's
: more stuff to go wrong.
: 
: Recent Audi models have not had particularly good repair records, according
: to Consumer Reports.  There is insufficient data on the new models.
: 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: emissions
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:23:44 GMT

djanzen@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Montgomery Janzen) writes:
>
>
>
>I took my 1985 Toyota Corolla in for emissions testing today. Here are my results. 
>
>	Engine		max	reading		units
>HC	idle		500.00	116.00		ppm
>	loaded		500.00	44.00		ppm
>CO	idle		5.00	0.00		%
>	loaded		3.00	0.00		%
>NOx	loaded		2540.00	2777.00		ppm
>	idle		?	?
>
>I passed on the first two tests, but I failed the NOx test.  I have been told that this could be a result of a faulty EGR valve, or a failed catalytic converter.  Could there be any other possibilities?  How can I test my EGR valve?  I am a poor student and i'd like to spend as little money as possible.  I have some knowlege of engines, but mostly on older domestics (late 60's).  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>	Derek Janzen
>
>djanzen@sfu.ca
>
>	
>
>


  First, see if you are getting vaccum to the EGR valve.  The engine must be warmed up to do this as
  EGR doesn`t come on when it is cold.  If you are getting vaccum, test to see if the valve is either
  stuck, or if the diaphragm is cracked.  To do this, turn the engine off and suck on the end of the
  vaccum hose to the EGR valve.  It should resist you (meaning you should not be able to get air to
  flow), if so the diaphragm is not cracked.  You should be able to notice though whether your sucking
  moves it a little (I'm not sure if this is very obvious for all EGR valves) to see if it is stuck.

  Good Luck, Steve

  vetter@mtu.edu
>
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>
>
>
  Steve Vetter      __________________________________________________
From: marc@gauss.math.mcgill.ca (Marc Sokolowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota Previa
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:56:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, McGill University

In article <1992Dec10.081027.18980@meaddata.com> dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely) writes:
>It get's my vote for Ugliest Car on the Road.  It resembles a rolling watermelon!
>

	To the countrary I find it looks great. And inside, the controls are
placed as in a spaceship, which I find very stylish. After all, we live in
the 90's... soapboxes are forever gone!!!

						Marc
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: Car Horn circuit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02:53 GMT

rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar) writes:

>I was in the process of fixing a new horn to my car when I noticed something
>funny with the circuit. One of the wires leading to the horn is directly 
>connected to +12 volts with only a 10 amp fuse along the line. The other is
>connected to the negative terminal of the battery (ground?) with the horn 
>switch in between.

>Is there any reason for the horn to *always* have a +12 volt supply? The
>horn works fine when it doesn't touch the car body. When it does touch
>the car body, the circuit is complete, and the horn starts beeping even
>when the horn switch is not pressed.

The reason the horn always has the +12V supply is not one of electronics as
such, but of convenience.  In the area of the horn switch, there isn't a lot
of room.  In fact, the horn contact is the only wire that goes to the steering
hub on most cars.  If you wanted to switch the positive side of the circuit,
you'd have to have a second wire with positive current.  With ground switched,
you don't need the second wire into the hub; the steering column takes care of
that for you.  On my MG, the same arrangement is used, and it's also used on
the wipers, washers, and turn signals, in short, anything in the confined space
of the steering column.

>Should I mount the horn so that it is insulated from the car body? 

Of course.  If you don't, as you said, it will just honk all the time.

>What
>happens, if by some chance, the car's front end gets banged up?

Then it's going to honk a lot, isn't it?  Ever notice how in bad smashups, 
often one horn just goes and goes?  If the front end of your car gets smashed
enough that the horn comes in contact with the body or frame, then it's prob-
ably the least of your worries.  You said yourself there is a fuse on the pos-
itive side of the horn circuit, so there's very little danger of a lasting
short circuit.
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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: *** Acura Integra LS 88 ***
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:05:10 GMT
Organization: SSESCO

>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:27:50 GMT, mlleung@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Johnson Leung Man Leung) said:

mlleung> I have just seen an 88 Acura Integra LS (automatic) with
mlleung> 121,000 km, and fully loaded with A/C, pw, pdl. It asks for
mlleung> Can$6300. Can anybody comment on this? Thanks.

In my view, any car with 121K on it has used up most of it's useful life.
Sure, it may go to 150K, but that may be the worst 30K of that car's life.
If it's in good shape, drop $5000 off the price (Honda/Acura is overpriced
on their used stuff.  I'd never buy one used.).

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
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From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:43:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.020042.15469@julian.uwo.ca> morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>
>How true -- the 323 GTX only sold just over 1100 examples in the US, and you
>can add the Subaru SVX to the list of cars not being sold anymore in the 
>States. It's been withdrawn (perhaps only temporarily) because of -- you guessed
>it -- slow sales.
>
>But then again, how many of those missed sales were due to the windows?

	I personally think that the Subaru SVX could have sold a LOT more
cars had they offered the car in a 5spd manual.  I know of 2 people that
would have bought the car, but HATE automatics...  (One went for the
Eagle Talon (me), the other is thinking of the Legacy AWD and is  
still crying over the SVX not having a 5sp tranny...) Also a few HP's more
(about 20) would have made the car more atractive....

_RV

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Caprice,Crown Vic/G Marquis or Buick LeSabre?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:52:26 GMT

In article <Bz26zr.7HH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.202837.5251@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>>In article <ByzA03.7KF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum) writes:
>>>In article <697@dwp.la.ca.us> tim@dwp.la.ca.us (Tim Mortensen) writes:
>>>>In article <ByvAp3.9t9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> acarson1@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Adam Nicholas Carson) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>Fuck the Caprice, Fuck the Lesabre, Fuck the Marquis and the Crown Vic,
>>>>>Fuck American luxoboats! D.Segal
>>>>We'll see who gets fucked when you hit one.
>>>>-- 
>>>>\ _
>>>>0 0   Tim Mortensen
>>>> (
>>>>\__   tim@manta.dwp.la.ca.us
>>>
>>>Excuse me, Mr. Mortensen.
>>
>>is it your lack of education or inability to verbalize without the use
>>of vulgarities to emphasize a point that causes you to use the 'term'
>>(for unlawful carnal knowledge) as a noun, pronoun, verb, adverb, etc
>>in your vocabulary - I'm sure there is(are) some other word(s) that
>>you could have used that were less scatalogical......B-)
>>
>i-- 
>Now now, we should be more careful when rebuking others for the use of
>inappropriate/vulgar language.  Had you been more careful, you would
>have come to the realization that I posted the "Excuse me Mr. Mortensen"
>message, whereas someone ELSE posted the message with the vulgarities!
>Shame on you!  Be more attentive!   :-)
>
but I thought I had, afterall I left the '>' in front of the
">Excuse me Mr. Mortenson..." - I thought it so well stated that
I simply had to use it as part of my response.....B-)

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From: Robert.Garrett@f9001.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Attitude
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:38:20 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/9001

 MW> I think it's ok to do that kind of thing if you get more enjoyment out
 MW> of the car.   I've got an all original 68 442 which I've pulled the
 MW> 400 out of and have it sitting in the corner dissassembled and coated
 MW> with grease.
 
Exactly!  I have a 69 GTO that I plan to do much the same thing to.  An
acquaintance has an original 67 Hemi Coronet (he is the original owner,
ordered it from the factory) that he has done something similar with as well.  He's added a roll cage, 'glass hood, slicks (fitted inside very carefully flared quarter panels - no tubs), roller, nitrous(!) and various other goodies.  He still has every single original piece so the car can be put back to original if he ever wants to.  I serisously doubt that he'll ever sell it.
Robert


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From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 4x4 Newsgroup
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:42:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

The mailing list is actually an off-road mailing list, not a 4x4
mailing list.  That's a better name, since we have a 4WD Subaru,
but can't afford a real 4x4.

Which brings up a question.  Are dirt roads considered off-road,
or on-road?  If on-road, what about *really bad* dirt roads?  If
off-road, what about an excellent gravel road?  I once travelled
an unpaved road around Mt. Saint Helens that was surfaced with
volcanic ash.  It was the best unpaved road I have ever been on--
we were able to drive our family Camry at 55 mph.

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From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:14:35 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

>>>Refuse to pay claims for injuries sustained by a person they can prove were
>>>not strapped in?  Sorry Jeff, but I can see all SORTS of abuse by insurance
>>>companies over this one.  You did say ". . . person they can prove were not
>>>strapped in", but how to prove someone wasn't strapped in would be almost
>>>impossible to do.  Insurance companies would have a field day on this one.

>>etc. would care to comment on this. Everything I've heard about seatbelts
>>makes the case that there'll be a pretty drastic difference in outcome
>>if you don't wear your seatbelt. For example, it seems that if your
>
>	I'm not a seat-belt expert, but I do know that you are recommended 
>to have your seat-belts replaced if they are used in a crash.  This implies
>that the belts sustain damage from restraning passengers, which is pretty
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>intuitive anyway.  If so, couldn't a careful exam of a belt supposedly

Sorry abt losing attributions:  better to do without, I say, than misquote.

May I point out that the passenger is also likely to sustain damage from
the restraining seatbelts?  When I was totalled, I had as fine a collection
of belt-shaped bruises as you could ever hope to see.  Complaining?  Hell, no:
I walked away. 

I'd say that medical notes indicating presence of bruises in the appropriate
places would be decent proof that one was wearing a seatbelt.  I don't know
how indicative absence of bruises would be.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth
 

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From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Ox sensor origins
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:55:45 GMT

In article <n11fet@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
|>    It first appeared on Volvo cars as a standard item in the late 
|> '70s (1978, I believe). You might write to them where they got 
|> the idea, they were using a Bosch fuel injection system at the 
|> time (some form of Bosch fuel injection has been standard on 
|> Volvo engines since 1971, kinda makes me laugh at new cars with 
|> 'Fuel Injection' emblems on them, like it's some kind of big deal 
|> these days.).

I'm not so much interested when it first appeared as to when the concept
and device was invented (and by whom)?  Volvo makes no fuel management
system of their own.  Your data places the Bosch system a couple of years
earlier than the Audi 4000.

BTW, the earliest electronic fuel management system was probably the Bosch
D-Jetronic (manifold pressure based, bank fired, port injection) which
appeared on the VW Type-3 in Europe in 1968 and in the US in 1969.  There
were a lot of early cylinder injection methods back into the 50's.  Most
all the modern FI's are port injection, with the later versions providing
sequentially timed firing.   The later versions are considerably more refined
than the early 70's designs.

Still looking for the elusive inventor of OX sensor.

Mark