HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: newsgroups, flames, et al.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:15:37 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix) writes:

> 
> The Fidonet NZ_SYSOP echo is kept private and access to it is restricted to
> the sysops of NZ Fidonet bbs.

Is it? I can read it without any problems at all.

> With a newsgroup this would not be possible as there is nothing to prevent an
> sys admin from subscribing to a newsgroup and he/she and the site's users fro
> participating in it.

If you read my previous posting, you'll see that I have open access for
usenet users here. The idea of the group was to keep BBS stuff out of
nz.general, where the average user doesn't want to see it. If they're
curious, let them subscribe to the group.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Newsgroups: nz.general
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:46:53 GMT

In article <BvqqEA.BLG@comp.vuw.ac.nz> thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll) writes:
>In article <gm38RB4w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
...
>> newsgroup.  I can imagine you all using this in every day speach but 
>> should the NZ education system turn out such horrible delights in
>> public I shudder to think to your department in reality should you
>> take this tone. In fact I for one resent such language and as a 
>> tax payer of your ORGANISATION take offence to it very DEEPLY!
>
>Jon, read the above. Notice the lack of sense, the fractured syntax. We're
>all friends here, you can admit you are English impaired, and we'll gladly
>lend you Strunk and White or "The Dictionary of Troublesome Words". 
>
>BTW as a depositer with your bank (but not your branch, alas) I take grave
>exception to the image you create of bank managers, I dislike the thought
>that the profits from using my hard earned money are allowing you to post
>to the net and shake confidence in the people who are running our banking
>system. 

But you can choose to change banks while Jon can't change tax systems
nearly as easily.

andy
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:10:59 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

earthbound misfit, I (kilroy@acme.gen.nz) wrote:
> dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix) writes:
>
> > But we do not have a _reasonable_ established network in NZ. We either do
>
> Hey, Demarcation mate! Fascist Bastards is my sweeping generalisation. And
> no-one involved in the "running" of the net (and our local namespace) are
    I've found the people I deal with for our NewZnet feed to be helpfull
in the extreme, and have NOT had an 'unreasonable' reaction from anyone.
Maybe vuwcomp just has a greater percentage of 'good guys' (tm) than where
those north of whatever-the-heck-those-hills-are are able to get there feed
from.
>
> > Maybe the net costs series of articles in cave.kcbbs will start to show how
> > we are already paying for _all_ of the nz network :-)
    Get real.
>
>  NewZnet is a *good deal*.

        True. (...oh, IMVHO, of course)
>
> >                                                                *
> > dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix), Fidonet 3:772/90.
> > ZL1UZC (bbs on 144.75 Pac Comm 1200)                     k *      *
> > Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND.                   .
> > Pth.9817-3725/3714 v32/v42bis/MNP5
> >    9817-3094/8424 v32bis/v42bis/MNP5                          *
> >    9817-3324/3393 v22bis/MNP5  NZMC lines
>
> 7 lines. I may have to warlord this, one can only do it to Simon so many
> times.....

    Reminds me of Zoltars old one....
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: john@actrix.gen.nz (John Vorstermans)
Subject: nz.bbs.sysops
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:11:01 GMT

In article <NTBasB2w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
writes:

> nz.bbs.sysop
> -----------------
> Charter:
> 
> nz.bbs.sysop is a group for bbs sysops to exchange news, views
> information and flamage without it having to be seen in nz.general.
> 
> This newsgroup would serve a similar purpose to Fidonet's national Sysop
> echo.

Nice idea but I don't believe that Usenet is anything like Fidonet.  For a 
start most of the people who look after news on their sites are system
administrators.  Therefore if we are going to have a group as suggested above
I would think that a better name might be:

nz.news.admin

Now where have I seen this before.  :-)
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.bbs.sysops
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:29:22 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

>  There is several groups under the alt areas that cover just this
>  maybe you should be in there as answer to questions would be easy
>  answered ie ... alt.bbs.internet or maybe comp.bbs.misc etc..

Yes, I already read these groups. What is necessary is an area for New
Zealand specific discussions. In all likelyhood is would be a very quiet
area, but then again, nz.* is anyway.

Things which need to be addressed are questions like:

What is the legal position with porn on BBSs?
Are the rules different for GIFs, etc than from stories?

How about discussions on keeping a lid on piracy? BBSs have a bad
reputation in the industry due to sensationalist journalism.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Newsgroups: nz.general
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Imminent Death of the net Predicted!!!
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:50:13 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz writes:

> All this flamage makes me glad this isn't Fido(ugh)net

If this was FidoDreck, virtually everyone in this thread would have been
banned from the net many moons ago for daring to disagree with the Holy Net
Co-ordinators.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: newsgroups, flames, et al.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 13:50:14 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes:

> You mention about not having it seen in nz.general.  While FidoNet
> doesn't do restrictions terribly well, it is at least possible to stop
> users from reading areas.  Not all Usenet software appears to have this
> facility which may cause a problem.

What I meant by keeping it out of nz.general was not based on restricting it.

The main idea was to have a separate area to discuss bbs-related issues,
so that the average nz.general reader doesn't have to put up with it.
If anyone wanted to read it, then they should be able to.

My policy on this bbs is 'open access for all usenet users'
However, if anyone running waffle software wants to restrict access, it
is extremely easy. I don't know about the other packages.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Xref: sparky nz.general:1438 soc.culture.new-zealand:2772
From: brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie)
Newsgroups: nz.general,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Provisional Results for Issue 45 TERAWHITI LIC TRUST WARD 2
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:19:04 +1300
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.wcc.govt.nz


 10-Oct-1992 22:09 Sat     Status of Issue 45 TERAWHITI LIC TRUST WARD 2  Page 1

Provisional Results for Issue 45 TERAWHITI LIC TRUST WARD 2
Votes returned are 31.18%
Candidates to be elected - 3
Batches for which results awaited  -      0     Voters :        0 (0)
Batches for which results received -    700     Voters :    17478 (52434)
Number sent -     Voters :     7470 (22410)
Valid counted -   Voters :    16374 (6988)
                                    (42134)
Informal       -  Voters :     1104 (3312)


Party                          Candidate                      Count
Trust Action                   Clark, Jenny                    2122 (30.4%)
Trust Action                   Williams, Kay                   2102 (30.1%)
Trust Action                   Dudfield, Christopher John      1749 (25.0%)
                               Douche, Walter Paul             1015 (14.5%)


***The candidates provisionally elected are:
Clark, Jenny
Williams, Kay
Dudfield, Christopher John
-- 
brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.bbs.sysops
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:36:29 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

> > >That's 'cos most of the sites are mainframes.
> > What's a mainframe?  Would those using mainframes please stand up and
> > be counted ...
>  Does an AS400 mini count :)

Depends on whether you want it to count. I define the average BBS owner
as a sysop, as they don't do it for a living, they do it for fun.
There is a usually a difference in philosophy between those who call
themselves "system administrators" vs "system operators."


dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle??
Keywords: GROW UP
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:10:47 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

>  Do you really have a life outside of posting to nz.general ?

Yes. Do you have to act like a petulant 8 year old?



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle??
From: richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles)
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:12:20 GMT
Organization: Malleus Maleficarum - Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre


> Hmmf.  If you're going to have nz.waffle, I'm having nz.don.  So there.  8-)

Kuhl. Pass it onto SIDEWAYS and I'll pick it up and distribute it around
Auckland.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Its not simply a question of getting hot, but how much heat you can take"

FIDONET: Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0         USENET: richard@nacjack.gen.nz
Packet Radio: ZL1UTF@ZL1AB.#11.AKL.NZL.OC   The Demi-Monde: 199:310/1
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Imminent Death of the net Predicted!!!
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 14:16:50 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

> If this was FidoDreck, virtually everyone in this thread would have been
> banned from the net many moons ago for daring to disagree with the Holy Net
> Co-ordinators.

Exactly.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: The Home Office Newsletter
From: ranald@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz (Ranald McIntosh)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:30:39 +1200
Organization: The Pinnacle Club BBS, Auckland, New Zealand. +64-9-615-382

 
A message was posted on 21 Sep 1992 by ed@amigeans.gen.nz (Edward
Kitto), with respect to the newsletter "The Home Office". Because the
newsletter producer Bevis England does not currently use any BBS's,
and as I am a member of "Work Raft" which receives the newsletter, I
passed the message in it's entirety to Bevis. His reply, posted by me
on his behalf is as follows -
 
  "1.  The `membership form'  (not a `request for more money') has
   been included with every Home Office sent out, not just the August
   issue.
 
   2.  lf and when I decide that renewals are in order a request to
   that specific effect will be circulated.  This has not happened
   yet.
 
   5.  The subscription form in the September Home Office (Which was
   posted yesterday. October 5) is clearly marked `pass this to a
   friend' I had always assumed that most members understood this,
   and many members have joined through such `networking'.
 
   4.  A number of members have written or spoken to me directly, on
   the numbers quoted in the Home Office to clarify `why the long
   silence' .  That the gentleman in questxon did not bother to do so
   is an interesting comment in itself . . .   (One member queried
   the `subscription form', resulting in point 3 above.)
 
   5.  The long silence itself was an unavoidable consequence of
   building and moving into new quarters and having to cope with
   major disruption and a rapidly increasing workload at the same
   time.  Something had to give.
 
   6.  Subscriptions received during the long silence were not banked
   until production had started again.
 
   7.  The Home Office has never made money -- it costs me money.   I
   am running it as a service because I believe in the concept of
   working from home.  So when time presses there is no question what
   has to give.  I try to earn money so I can afford to send out more
   newsletters . . .
 
   8.  Anyone else who believes working from home is a good idea and
   worth promoting further should feel free to contact me at PO Box
   118.  Albany, or StarNet 6401:TZQ240.
 
   Regards.
   Bevis England  0-9-473 1200"
 
This is posted as a general message as it appears that Edward Kitto
may have misunderstood the situation and the reasons for the hiatus
in the issuing of the newsletter concerned. For those of us who work
from home, the "Work Raft" organisation is very worthwhile, and the
newsletter "The Home Office" keeps us in touch.
 
As with most organisations, it is not "What the organisation can do
for me" that counts, but "What I can so for the organisation"!
 
Ranald McIntosh
.e
From: sgm@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: butter commercials
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:34:59 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I was watching the new butter commercial last night and I was wondering which
brand of butter they were advertising.  The ad showed a small anchor symbol at
the bottom (this was when Sam was in hospital) but I could have sworn that the
butter ads used to be for Fernleaf.  Anyone got any ideas?


SGM.

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: duncan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Duncan McEwan)
Subject: Re: Internet <-> Starnet mail
Organization: Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington
Keywords: internet, starnet
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:53:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.023044.22853@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> rob@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Rob Burrowes ) writes:
>We have a user wanting to get mail from starnet (telecoms net) to internet.
>Can it be done? If so what form do the addresses need to take?
>

Starnet is (was?) affiliated with the DIALCOM networks, allowing it to
exchange mail with other DIALCOM subscribers throughout the world.  There
used to be a DIALCOM to Internet gateway run by the commercial mail relay
service at ISI.EDU.  Unfortunately, the CMR discontinued its general purpose
gateway sometime in 1990 when funding for it was cancelled.  Since that
time I've lost touch with what has been happening so I don't know if the
service has been resumed.

You could try the comp.mail.misc newsgroup, or the info-nets mailing
list (info-nets@think.com -- I don't know if anyone in NZ already gets
this list and would be willing to operate a local exploder for it -- we
used to get it here but it has been discontinued for some reason). 

Even if such a service does not currently exist, it should be technically
easy to set up a gateway between starnet and the Internet -- all it would
need is for someone to pay for a starnet account to be used to do the relaying!

Duncan
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:27:02 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Charlie Lear) writes:

> I have received email from Jon Clarke claiming that the recent spate of 
> postings have been forgeries.
> 
> However, I don't know what to believe - have the postings been forgeries,
> or is the email a forgery?

He may have been referring to your last message, where you (I think) quoted
something from richard@nacjack as coming from him. It would be consistent
with Jon's attitudes that he now considers this the central issue.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:03:46 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <Bw390z.GME@comp.vuw.ac.nz> by thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll):

> "irony, sarcasm. *Irony* is the use of words to convey a contradiction
> between the literal and intended meanings. *Sarcasm* is very like irony

    ...

> Just to make sure that certain people out there understand that Craig was
> being ironical in reference to John's posting. Lately it has become
> apparent that a number of people don't understand the use of irony and

    It is apparent in your case when you post a definition like the
    above, then for some reason say the k was being ironic. It was a
    lame attempt at sarcasm, and should be described as such.

> Alex Heatley                                Computing Services Centre
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
From: brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie)
Newsgroups: nz.general,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Provisional Results for Issue 51 MAYOR
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:20:04 +1300
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.wcc.govt.nz


 10-Oct-1992 22:01 Sat     Status of Issue 51 MAYOR                   Page 1

Provisional Results for Issue 51 MAYOR
Votes returned are 52.22%
Candidates to be elected - 1
Batches for which results awaited  -      0     Voters :        0 (0)
Batches for which results received -   2298     Voters :    57315 (57315)
Number sent -     Voters :   108499 (108499)
Valid counted -   Voters :    56663 (56663)
                                    (0)
Informal       -  Voters :      652 (652)


Party                          Candidate                      Count
Wellington Labour              Wilde, Fran                    18566 (32.8%)
Wellington                     Ritchie, Helene Ruth Paula      9643 (17.0%)
Citizens                       Comber, Ken                     8700 (15.4%)
Green Team                     Rainbow, Stephen Laurence       6063 (10.7%)
Independent                    Gotlieb, Ruth                   5820 (10.3%)
Independent                    Bull, David                     4660 (8.2%)
                               Waitai, Rana Donald             2589 (4.6%)
McGillicuddy Serious Party     Morrison, John Brendon           295 (0.5%)
Private Enterprise Party       Moncur, Frank                    132 (0.2%)
Communist League               Brown, Patrick James             109 (0.2%)
                               Barry-Gellen, Margaret Elizabe    86 (0.2%)


***The candidate provisionally elected is:
Wilde, Fran
-- 
brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz
From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re:  nz.waffle
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:22:48 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: .SIG Laboratories.. New Zealand division.

In article <liam.07ta@durie.amigans.gen.nz> liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) writes:
>earthbound misfit, I (kilroy@acme.gen.nz) wrote:
>> dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix) writes:
>>
>> But we do not have a _reasonable established network in NZ. We either do
>>
>> Hey, Demarcation mate! Fascist Bastards is my sweeping generalisation. >>And no-one involved in the "running" of the net (and our local namespace) 
>I've found the people I deal with for our NewZnet feed to be helpfull
>in the extreme, and have NOT had an 'unreasonable' reaction from anyone.
>Maybe vuwcomp just has a greater percentage of 'good guys' (tm) than where
>those north of whatever-the-heck-those-hills-are are able to get there >feed from.

>>> Maybe the net costs series of articles in cave.kcbbs will start to show >>>how we are already paying for _all_ of the nz network :-)

>    Get real.

>>
>>  NewZnet is a *good deal*.

>        True. (...oh, IMVHO, of course)

                                                               *
>> > dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix), Fidonet 3:772/90.
>> > ZL1UZC (bbs on 144.75 Pac Comm 1200)                     k *      *
>> > Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND.                   .
>> > Pth.9817-3725/3714 v32/v42bis/MNP5
>> >    9817-3094/8424 v32bis/v42bis/MNP5                          *
>> >    9817-3324/3393 v22bis/MNP5  NZMC lines
>>
>> 7 lines. I may have to warlord this, one can only do it to Simon so many
>> times.....
>
>    Reminds me of Zoltars old one....

Hey Liam! That's not nice! :-)  and here I was being all silent and
just reading.... Damn! :-)..

The new improved sig....

-- 
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
        Grant Thoms (Zoltar) Co-Sysop of `Silent Imperium' BBS
  //                Zoltar@Glasgow.Amigans.Gen.NZ
\X/                             ----
         Standard Quote: `Insert $10 for the next 0.5 seconds'
                *** Opinions expressed are my own ***
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\


Newsgroups: nz.wanted
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: midi cards
Keywords: midi
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:19:13 GMT

Can anyone give me a contact number etc  for suppliers of midi cards 
for a PC clone.  I know I could get a soundblaster pro, but I don't need (
or want) the voices. Besides the latest version is REAL expensive and then 
you need the MIDI kit. I really want an MPU-401 compatible card e.g. music 
quest etc etc.

Of course if anyone has a second hand one then even better

regards

Sid.
Newsgroups: nz.wanted
From: Richard.Darton@vuw.ac.nz (Richard Darton)
Subject: I need some MFM drives....do you?
Organization: CSC, Victoria University Wellington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:22:32 GMT

Gidday,

I'm back,....

I am about to try and "do a deal" with a guy I know who has a few (approx 
100) MFM drives. I figure that the more drives I want, the cheaper they will 
be. These things are fully tested, MFM, HH, (or FH, Yuk!!), 40Meg and 
greater. He wants about $300.00, at the moment, for the 40Megs, with the 
price reducing for larger drives and larger quantities. If anyone wants to 
get in on the action and help me produce a sizeable order to reduce pricing 
for all concerned, then e-mail me at richard.darton@vuw.ac.nz

Cheers

RAD
Newsgroups: nz.wanted
From: Richard.Darton@vuw.ac.nz (Richard Darton)
Subject: Re: Yes... another wanted to sell. Best value SPORTS CAR around!!
Organization: CSC, Victoria University Wellington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:27:10 GMT

Gidday,

>I have a Toyota Celica Supra XX car for sale. It is a 1981, the square body, 
>not the old rounded one, 2.8 litre 6 cly injected engine with the following 
>features:

Thanks to all the people that enquired, I have now sold the car. It was hard 
work keeping up to date with all the people that expressed interest. Read 
BTW.

Cheers

RAD