From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
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Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:36:20 GMT
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In this issue:
                           SCIENCE and G/L/Bs
                               Rev. Gomes
                   MultiCultural Teaching of Psych TF
                         MOOOOOO Where are YOU!
                     GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
                              Peter Gomes
                     GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
                           Larry and The List
                       Northern Exposure Episode
                     GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
                     GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
                        i'm still out there....
                        i'm still out there....
                          Boston Globe, Oregon
                              gay & jewish
                         MCC Church in Portland

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:04:50 -0400
From: "Fintan R. Steele"  <fsteele@helix.nih.gov>
Subject: SCIENCE and G/L/Bs

  UPDATE: The ongoing discussion to get GLB scientitsts discussed in SCIENCE
magazine nis now in this situation:
  I finally talked to a "Real" person at SCIENCE, one of the editors, who told
me that even though she hadn't heard anything about our request to have
gay/lesbian/bi scientists covered in their upcoming minority issue, she was
"sure" that it is being considered, but that it is "too late" for the upcoming
issue...maybe next year.  Not good enough, I do think.  Though the time
constraints for the upcoming issue may be real, I don't think waiting another
year is acceptable, especially since this is not the first time they have been
approached.  Those of you interested in this, who haven't already heard from me,
what do you think we should do?  I have asked a few of you to write, either as
individuals or professional organizations, asking them not to put off addressing
our concerns.  Maybe we should do something more dramatic/confrontational? Let
me know whatcha think..."we're here, we're queer, we're scientists"?...just
doesn't have that ring...

Fintan

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From: tjboesch@Athena.MIT.EDU
Subject: Rev. Gomes
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:10:34 EDT

Well, actually, Rev. Gomes is definitely out and gay - and he is indeed the
Plummer professor of Christain Morals at Havard and has been for many
 (20 something) years.  The rally held last fall on the steps of his
 church in Havard Yard will attest to that - just ask anyone who was
 there, including myself.

As for whether or not he's a Republican, I'm not sure.  On the other hand,
why not?  Governor William Weld of Massachusetts is also a Republican and yet
holds one of the most favorable public images in the community.  Many
a gay, bi, lesbian, or friend Republican is found in many unusual places -
they often favor conservativism in financial matters, and liberalism in
social matters.

Any other thoughts out there?

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Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:13:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Burt Woodruff <WOODRUFF@Butler.EDU>
Subject: MultiCultural Teaching of Psych TF
Mime-Version: 1.0

Dear Gaynetters:

I recently joined Division 2 of the American Psychological Association.
That is the Division for the Teaching of Psychology. Anyway, I was just
made a member of the Division Two Task Force for Minority Issues for
1992-1993. The chairI volunteered to work on the GLB issues (and got
assigned perception and learning as well).

     The letter from the chair of the task force said:"As a Task Force,
our charge is to produce a document that will be made available to all
Division Two members throught its new teaching resources center. I have
talked with a Divison 2 officer about that document and we agreed that an
annotated bibliography, developed mainly for those unfamilar with multicultural
issues, would be an excellent contribution and one that can be expanded
on in later years. Because we have just a year to complete this project,
I am proposing that we start out relatively small. I am sure you find,
as I do, that time is limited; therefore, I believe it is better to start
smalld..."
     "My hope is that we can include 4 to 6 annotated references for each
subsection. to that end, I am asking that each of you send me any references
relevant to your areas by NOVEMBER 1, 1992. I will then combine these
lists, eliminating any overlap. Once that list is complete, we can write
the annotations. I would very much like to complete the project in early
March, before the hectic pace of spring catches up with us!"
     "...Also, if you know of others who would like to work on this
project, please send me their names and addresses and I will get in
touch with them."

Anyway, I'm soliciting suggestions from you for any references you might
know about relevant to the issues for teaching with respect to GLB students.
If you have any general references on multicultural issues for college
teachers, I'd sure appreciate receiving that information as well.

Hope you can provide some ideas

Thanks very much,

Burt Woodruff
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From: <MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu>
Subject: MOOOOOO Where are YOU!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:34:00 PDT
Encoding: 13 TEXT

MOOOO,

You *KNOW* who you are.  So happy to see you have email (or is it moo-mail?).

Anyway, sorry to waste space for a personal item, but Moo, I tried to send
you a message directly and it bounced back.  Is the address incorrect, or
what's going on?  Please reply.  Those of us in So. Cal who know and love you
also miss you.  BTW, I also miss the reports on gentlemen using the Downtown
Y.

Mr. Mark
<markd@urjwc.ucla.edu>

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Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: CHOUCK@smith.smith.edu
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1
Mime-Version: 1.0

also for what it's worth, Camille Paglia stated at a lecture at
Smith last spring that she is now BIsexual, and that her new sexuality
has returned 10 of the 20 IQ points "lost when a woman declares herself
Lesbian".  I cast no votes in favor of including Ms. Paglia in any
pro-LBG discussions.
                    Caryn

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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:07:41 EDT
From: Jonathan Lubin <MA406000@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
Subject:      Peter Gomes

Yes, indeed, the Chaplain of Harvard University is Black.
                                                             - jdL -

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:31:40 EDT
From: Robert W Bailey <rwb7@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1

GAYNET.ORG: PLEASE INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING TO GAYNET E-MAIL LIST:

FOR RELEASE ON OCTOBER 17TH.
FROM: THE GAY AND LESBIAN CAUCUS FOR POLITICAL SCIENCE
CONTACT R.Bailey 212 854 5433;
E-Mail: rwb7@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

The Gay and Lesbian Caucus for Political Science, the
professional grouping of lesbians and gay men within political
science, has sent the following letter to Lucius Barker,
President of the American Political Science Association
requesting that the APSA not hold its annual meeting in either
Oregon or Colorado if either or both States amend their
constitutions and codify anti-gay clauses into State law.  The
annual conference of the APSA typically attracts 3,000 - 4,500
members and family each year.

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TEXT FOLLOWS:
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October 15, 1992

Professor Lucius Barker
President,
American Political Science Association
1527 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036

Dear Dr. Barker:

The Gay and Lesbian Caucus for Political Science, the
professional grouping of lesbians and gay men within political
science, has long taken the position that the American
Political Science Association ought not meet in states in
which sodomy statutes or other legal sanctions work against
the interests of our members.  In 1991 there were a series of
discussions between the staff of the American Political
Science Association and the Steering Committee of the Gay and
Lesbian Caucus concerning this and other issues.  The
Executive Committee was generally supportive of our request
but not willing to give its fullest commitment.  We indicated
our understanding that the Association feels it important to
occasionally call its annual meeting in a city in the Southern
part of the country where many states continue to have sodomy
laws.  We both agreed that the Caucus would make
recommendations to the APSA Executive Board on preferred
states in the South as the laws -- as we all expected --
changed over time.

We are writing to you to note that Kentucky's highest court
has recently struck down that State's sodomy statute as
violative of the due process and privacy sections of the
Kentucky Commonwealth's Constitution.  Thus, we no longer
object to meeting in any appropriate city of Kentucky.

On the other hand, 1992 has presented us and many other
Americans with a problem in two states.  The APSA has twice
met in Denver over the past two decades and Portland, Oregon
appeared in the convention program as a possible site for a
future meeting. As you may know, Colorado and Oregon voters
will face two referenda this November which can only be
described as bigoted, prejudicial and personally affronting.
These measures are Referendum #2 in Colorado and Ballot
Measure #9 in Oregon.  In both cases, the proposals would
amend the State Constitutions to code prejudicial statements
about gay and lesbian lifestyles into the fundamental document
of State law, overturn or preclude local governments from
including sexual orientation
into their equal protection clauses, and -- at least in Oregon
-- limit free speech among faculty and students on all levels
of public education.

One result of the campaign among supporters of Ballot #9 in
Oregon has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of
"gay-bashing" over the past six months culminating in two
recent murders.  Even those of us who are even tempered have
received the message:  Lesbians and Gay people are not
welcome.  We cannot imagine that our members would willingly
attend a scholarly meeting in a state which had passed such an
initiative, or in which their personal safety may be at risk.
We hope that should either of these initiatives pass you will
notify the appropriate authorities that the APSA will not
consider meeting in a state which so deprecates the rights of
its residents -- and of our members.

Over the past four years, the Caucus has been heartened by
support from the APSA staff in Washington, most members of the
Executive Committee and all the Athose who may have disagreed with us
on certain issues have
supported academic freedom and the encouragement of research.
We fully expect such support and occasional respectful
disagreement to continue.  The issues we have mentioned here
are quite importawould appreciate your support.

Sincerely,

Robert W. Bailey
Assistant Professor, Political Science,
Columbia University;
Caucus Chair,

Joan Tronto
Associate Professor, Political Science,
Hunter College of the
City University of New York;
Caucus Program Chair and Chair-Elect,

Leonard P. Hirsch, Ph.D.,
International Programs,
Smithsonian Institute;
Caucus Secretary

Jackie Stevens
Assistant Professor (Vis.), Political Science,
University of Michigan;
At-Large-Member, Steering Committee

Gay and Lesbian Caucus for Political Science

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:38:36 EDT
Subject: Larry and The List

Howdy!
     In reply to Larry Gross's list of questions/corrections, etc.:
     (a) All dead people will be removed from the list.  As I understand it,
John Cage, for instance, passed on only a month or two ago, so I may have
missed the news of his passing.  The others I'll check on.  I very much
appreciate you bringing these folks to my attention.
     (b) It is, in fact, *Mart* Crowley, as you say.  Please pardon the typo.
     (c) Jon Hinson, the onetime GOP congressman from Mississippi whose
career ended in 1981 when he was caught in a Capitol Hill men's room in
flagrante delicto with a Hill staffer, now lives in the Virginia suburbs, has
come out, and served for a time as a board member of Virginians for Justice,
the statewide lesbigay-rights and AIDS/HIV lobbying organization.  He was the
featured speaker at a VJ annual meeting a year or two ago.
     (d) Hanif Kureishi is openly bisexual and has been since he first came
to public notice.
     (e) You are correct that Marvin Liebman was not "top aide" to William F.
Buckley; it would be more correct to say "a top associate of WFB."
     (f) Anne-Imelda Radice, as little as I like to claim her, volunteers
that she is a lesbian when asked (which, for example, Lily Tomlin does not)
and has, along with her wife, given large contributions to the Human Rights
Campaign Fund, which are matters of public record.  (Presumably she won't be
doing the latter too much any more.)
     (g) Ursula LeGuin I found on the American Library Association's list of
famous lesbigays; among the living, it includes only those who are
voluntarily out.

     This gives me a chance to remind folks who have corrections to please
get them to me in the next few days, so that I can send out a complete,
corrected version of The List next week.
     In connection with that, the American Library Association apparently
wants to add the (verifiable) names y'all have come up with to the official
list!  Good job, folks!

Have fun and play safe,
Mark in Virginia

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:33 EST
From: GANDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Northern Exposure Episode

Hi

Does anyone out there havea copy of the episode of Northern Exposure where
they describe how the town of Cicily Alaska was named after a lesbian woman?
I have a friend who needs to get his hands on a copy of some such episode for
a class and I though I would do him a favor and try posting on the net to
see if anyone happened to tape such an episode and if we could work out a
way for my friend to get a copy.

Thanks a lot!!

Gregory Anderson
Ganderson@vax.clarku.edu

"Scientists are sometimes not scientific.  Take atomic garbage.  First they put
it in rivers and streams.  Then someone noticed the waters began to boil.  Now
just as cats do after shitting, scientists dig a trench, put the garbage in it
cover it up, and forget about it." - John Cage

"If the situation is hopeless, we have nothing to worry about" - John Cage too!

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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:44:09 EDT
From: Bill Beeman <WBEEMAN@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
Subject:      Re: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1

Hi!
I'm still getting two identical copies of gaynet.  Are
others having this problem?  It isn't much of an
annoyance, but maybe the system should be checked.
Cheers

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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:20:04 EDT
From: Mark <MRHAYD00@UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject:      Re: GayNet Digest Volume 7 Issue 1

I would like to respond to the individual using Gilligan's research in male
ale/female moral reasoning. My interpretation of Gilligan's work on this
topic goes something like this: Men care about the effect to the society
at large in their moral judgments occasionally to the exclusion of the
particualar situation. Women care about the immediate situation
occasionally to the exclusion of the effect on society. Men see the
acceptance of justice (a means to the resolution of conflicting rights)
as a moral imperative, whereas women view moral dilemmas as resulting
from conflicting needs and responsibilities.   Lawrence Walker found no
significant differences in moral development between men and women after
reviewing over 100 studies that applied Kohlberg's scale to over 8,000
subjects.   Source, Intro. to psych. textbook, Psychology Today 7th
ed.McGraw Hill.

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Thu Oct 15 03:16:03 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: i'm still out there....
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-289>

        yes, folks, i'm still here.....it's midterms and i don't have any
spare time to hang out on the net.....i think a big bash is a great idea, mark
from virginia.....does anyone knows who sings that blond song (all i can
remember that it's a blond song) that has the line:

       "and i want to be a veterinarian because i really love children"

        or something like that. my son's godmother wants that for her birthday
(30.10 if you really must know) and i'm trying to get my hands on it because i
want to have it before she comes to visit me.

        to all penpals: i'm leaving for my fall break at around 15h on friday
and won't be back until sometime on tuesday. if you all send phone #'s i'll
call as many of you as i can, but i have important things to do--like finding
a job in harrisburg, pa for christmas break (not an easy task since i have no
car) and avoiding an extremely attractive yet extremely possessive
ex-boyfriend who thinks he still has "drilling rights" (so to speak) to my
body.

        well, i must get back to my take-home midterm exam that i put off
doing.......


"this is for when the radio is broken and crackles like uranium orchids."

        --from the bauhaus tour poster that hangs over my bed at home


        having some sense of perspective........,
        rob


        rob crawford
        campus center box 246
        susquehanna university
        selinsgrove, pa 17870     717.372.3484

______  the pink triangle.....membership has its privileges.....
\    /
 \  /
  \/    out since 1987.......

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Thu Oct 15 03:16:03 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: i'm still out there....
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-289>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:09:15 -0400
From: gandalf@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Boston Globe, Oregon

I have become increasingly aggravated that the Boston Globe has had ABSOLUTELY
NO COVERAGE of the situation in Oregon. So, yesterday I called their ombudsman
to complain. He was very polite, and told me I was the second caller yesterday
to call about it. He said he would certainly recommend to the editors that
they cover the issue. He was of the opinion, however, that although they knew
about the ballot issue, he didn't know about the violence and other
associated crime.

If you would like to provide information (or sources thereof) the number for
the Globe is 617-929-3020. I might also mention that he didn't ask for my
name, in case you don't want to give yours, and that the Globe is generally
rather gay positive.

			Tom

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:01:12 +0100
From: muewi@informatik.uni-Bremen.de (Wilhelm Mueller)
Subject: gay & jewish

Maybe You think of

  Lev Raphael: Dancing on Tisha B'Av
    New York, NY, 1991
    (St. Martin's Press, 175 5th Av., New York NY 10 010)
    ISBN 0-312-04862-9 (hardcover, US$ 16.95)
	 0-312-06326-1 (paperback, US$  9.95)

    The short stories contained therein are concerned with being gay
and jewish, with problems between parents who survived the Holocaust
and their children who grew up in the US, and similar subjects.

 - Wilhelm


I'm going to be a vice president very much like George Bush was.  He
proved to be a very effective vice president, perhaps the most
effective we've had in a couple of hundred years.
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:33:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Casti <dise@decoy.uoregon.edu>
Subject: MCC Church in Portland
Mime-Version: 1.0

> Also,  the MCC church in Portland, OR has evidently been burned down.

Hmmm...  Well, I live in Portland and I certainly haven't heard anything
about this.  There might have been an arson attempt or some vandalism, but
I don't think it was actually burned down.

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