HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC)
Subject: Re: geographical maps available??
Keywords: maps
Reply-To: dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 12:29:47 GMT



-- 
Sure, The USGS sells maps in computer readable form. I guess you need to figure out what type of maps you are interested in.  They have several centers located across the country for browsing map products and I am sure that includes what digital coverage they have.  You might start out by calling one of these centers.

USGS also has the EROS Data Center in Sioux Falls South Dakota which is a repository for a lot of photographic and digital type products produced by the USGS.  The prices are reasonable from what i've seen. I think EROS stands for
Earth Resource Observation System and earlier may have referred to ERTS
the early LandSAT name. EROS supported LANDSAT heavily in the early daze.

good luck
Brian Dealy
dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov

Sorry if I got the history part wrong, but thats not the important part anyway.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: Kills from Window Manager
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:50:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.221634.29882@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov>, kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) writes:
> In article mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>> In article oj@pictel.com (Oliver Jones) writes:
>>> In article mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
[WM_DELETE_WINDOW stuff everyone's seen N times already]

> IMHO, (which nobody asked for, but I'll offer it anyway)

Standard net practice :-)

> applications that don't participate in WM_DELETE_WINDOW are about on
> par with programs written as follows:

> void main () { ... }

> Yes, programs written with either error

My C language lawyer hat is off in a corner and I don't feel like
getting it out just now, so I won't address the void main().  But I
still contend that not participating in WM_DELETE_WINDOW is not, per
se, an error!

> can and generally do work, but in my experience, these errors
> generally indicate that the programmer doesn't understand some of the
> finer details of C and/or X.

Could you possibly, then, enlighten us as to just *why* you speak of
not participating in WM_DELETE_WINDOW as an "error"?  To return to what
started all this off, given an application that has only one top-level
window and has no need to clean up after itself when killed (xclock
makes a good example), I see no reason why it should bother to mess
with WM_DELETE_WINDOW.  You clearly feel it should, but haven't
presented any reasons.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: trw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Tim Weil)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: libX11.a - X11R4 link problem
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:41:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: unixland.1992Jul26.174159.17745
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Under X11R4 <1.0> on ESIX 5.3.2D I'm trying to compile a 3-D
Mandelbrot Fractal program 'cpm'.  I've only installed the X11
library libX11.a & I get the following link error -
 
               Undefined Symbol in libX11.a
               ---------------------------- 
                grantpt
                unlockpt
                ptsname
 
What gives? THe same program has been compiled on HP 720 & SPARC
workstations under X11R4.I dont know if the problem is with ESIX,
the <1.0> X11 release, my not loading enough libraries or what?
 
As always, words to the unwise are greatly depreciated.
 
Timothy.Weil@dialcom.tymnet.com 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: jmfres11@ucs.usl.edu (Karthikeyan Gurnswamy)
Subject: Problem while building X11R5
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:33:30 GMT

Hi,
I have a funny problem while building X11R5 on a SUN SPARC station.
I downloaded the stuff from export.lcs.mit.edu (R5untarred version)
and trying to build with:
make World BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS = DNOSTDHDRS > & world.log

I'm getting the following error:
sh: ./bitmaps bad directory 

Any clues ?

Karthik
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Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:14303 comp.windows.x.apps:616
From: magras@cps.msu.edu (Mr. Jean-Claude Magras)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: program to preview postscript files that make multiple pages
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:12:29 GMT
Organization: Anarchy Committee
Originator: magras@pacific.cps.msu.edu

Hello,

The title pretty much says it all. I'm looking for a postscript file
previewer that can handle multiple page output in X. I say a program
around here somewhere that could do at least one page but I can't
remember the command (xps?.. file not found) :(

Thanks in Advance, 

J.C. Magras
 
 magras@cps.msu.edu. | 517 337 2267 | 1736 Burcham Dr., E. Lansing, MI 48823
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: chris@ods.com (Chris Atkins)
Subject: Re: Specifying colormap resources
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:06:41 GMT

gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes:
: 
: I have a server which allows both 8 and 24 bit deep visuals on the same screen.
: Given that I have started the server with a default 8 bit PseudoColor visual
: root window, the question is, how do I start a standard X client (e.g. xterm)
: which uses, say, a 24 bit TrueColor visual?
: 
: The visual and the depth can be specified as resources but it seems that Xt
: provides no means for specifying colormap resources, other than from within
: the source code itself (there's no string to colormap converter for instance).
: So for a given widget we inherit the colormap from the parent, but of course
: CreateWindow fails since the parent colormap and the visual are
: incompatible. Is Xt lacking or have I missed something? Are there any widget
: sets which provide such a capability?
: 
: I guess the next question is, what would a colormap resource look like:
: Colormap id, resource name of standard colormap? And who creates it in the
: first place, xstdcmap, the server?
: 
A colormap resource looks like a colormap id.  You can create the colormap 
yourself before creating the shell, or the colormap ID could be created by 
another client and the ID passed as a command line argument.  If another client
creates the colormap, be sure the other client either stays up for the length of
time you need the colormap or that the other client calls XSetCloseDownMode.  If
you don't do either of these, the colormap will be destroyed when the creating
client goes away.

Chris Atkins
chris@ods.com
From: hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,motif-talk
Subject: Network widget
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:42:55 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.x
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research Company

Someone posted xdtree program to display the directory structure as a tree
using motif widgets. It used the Tree widget from Young. Does anyone know
of a widget set that displays a general network of objects where each node
can be connected to one or more other nodes?
-- 

======================
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Exploration Research/Geophysics Division.
P.O. Box 446, La Habra, CA 90633-0446
Phone: (310) 694-9340
From: aafc6@syma.sussex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Date: 17 Jul 92 18:33 MDT
Subject: Re: Twm
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul17.143335.27609@syma.suss:1233664304:001:1051
Nf-From: syma.sussex.ac.uk!aafc6    Jul 17 18:33:00 1992


In article <24613@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, envbvs@epb9.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith)
writes:
> In article <1992Jul16.135236.14295@syma.sussex.ac.uk>,
> kierant@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Kieran Turner) writes:
> |> Just a quick query - anybody know if it would be _possible_ to
> |> make a patch for twm that could de-iconify on tty output....
>
> Why don't you want to use xconsole?  That automatically maps when there
> is a new console message.  This works fine on Vaxes and Suns.
>
> Brian V. Smith    (bvsmith@lbl.gov)

The problem is that we use NCD x-terminals with an XDM login, so the
console is forced upon us. XConsole has to be run subsequently, and
simply doesn't get any input. Even if it did I suspect it would get
the SERVERs console messages, not the LOCAL ones.

(EG: I am on a machine, TSUNB, which serves the NCDs. The xconsole
     reports for TSUNB. But _I_ need reports for my NCD, tx107:0.0)

No doubt the console situation could be hacked.
But I'm keen to try to get twm to de-iconify on a signal anyway,
for general use.
Here we go...

;) Kieran

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Testing Tools
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:54:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa


I was wondering if anyone knows of any good X-based software testing tools, 
particularly for testing a user interface under X.  I have coverage
analysis software, etc, but what I need is something akin to Dr. Taylor's
Test in DOS or Virtual User for the Mac.  Anything which will rigorously
test a UI while recording events and comparing screen snapshots is
exactly what I'm looking for.  I need it to be able to handle huge amounts
of input testing as well.  Also if the tools are platform-specific I need it
to run on an RS/6000 running AIX.

Please reply via e-mail to this address or to howardb@premenos.sf.ca.us.

Thanks in advance!
-Howard
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: Request for X source. Wince.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:01:52 GMT

I am posting from a friend's acct.

If possible, I would like to acquire the source code for the MIT X
distribution, if that is legal. I'm pretty sure that this information is
contained in a FAQ somewhere, but if the FAQ is this group's, it has
already expired at my site. I need to examine the Internal files in order
to find a way to kludge, and HP's X distribution does not contain any
of the source for the Internal files.

(Side note: is there a place where I can find FAQs for all newsgroups, 
regardless of time? I don't like posting questions that are probably
answered in FAQs.)

Chris Pearce
cpearce@nemesis.acs.unt.edu

.... posting from:
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: sscott@rtsg.mot.com (Steven R Scott)
Subject: X11R5 server on HP425T under HP/UX 8.0?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:00:20 GMT



I have gotten the MIT X11R5 sources and have built them.

Unfortunately, my hw/sw (HP/UX 8.0 running on a 425T) is not supported
as a R5 server.  Therefore, I need to know:

Has (is) anybody working on making the required changes to that the
425T under 8.0 can be supported as an R5 server?

Does anybody know when HP might have R5 support built in?

Thanks for your help.

P.S.  Please respond via email to sscott@mot.com.  I will summarize and
post if I get enough responses


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: da188@city.ac.UK
Subject: Re: X Resources
Reply-To: da188@city.ac.uk
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:45:51 GMT

>Could someone give be a brief explanation of resources.
>
>Specifically, I don't  understand why some resources use a '*' and other
>use '.' as separator characters.

Basically, a line in a resource file specifies the pathname to a particular
widget who's resource you want to set. Imagine the widgets as a tree structure
and it becomes easier to understand. So for example, if I wrote an X program
which used a Command widget, inside a box Form widget, which in turn is
managed by the top level Shell I might have the following:

	topLevel.form.button.label : hi

The last element in the 'pathname' above is the resource. To save you having to
have to know the exact hierarchy of the widgets and to allow for future changes
I could put 'wildcards' in (similar to using the * character in a unix shell 
command line) between the widgets, and in fact cut out the middle bit of the 
path entirely:

	topLevel*button.label : hi

Thus if new widgets are introduced in a future application release, your 
resources would still be useable (assuming the widgets have the same names!)
You could even make this more loosely bound and have all label resources in ALL
clients set to hi thus:

		*.label: hi

Though this is a slightly extreme example. The choice between using completely
. separated pathnames and * separated ones is yours - looser bindings are
generally better however.

>Secondly, is the format for .Xresources and .Xdefaults files the same?

I use an .Xdefaults file in my home directory, I assume .Xresources is similar.


Aj.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.misc
From: susanc@helix.nih.gov (Susan Chacko)
Subject: Xterminals versus PC-with-eXcursion
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:05:17 GMT


We were thinking of getting some NCD Xterminals to replace our
VT220s when we came across a demo for eXcursion, which is 
offered by Digital and is (I quote)
' a full implementation of the MIT X Windows Version 11 Release
4 server. It runs as a Microsoft Windows Version 3.0 application,
creating Microsoft Windows windows in which remote Decwindows
or X Windows appliocations display graphics and receive input.'

Since one could buy a PC with Windows for less than
the cost of an Xterminal, and get the potential for local
applications like wordprocessing as well, what's the
advantage of an Xterminal? 

Has anyone tried eXcursion? Is it slower than a regular
Xterminal? Any problems? 

I'm also interested in any experiences with particular
brands of Xterminals, i.e performance, cost etc., especially
from anyone who has been through this decision recently.
Any additional comments are most welcome.

Susan Chacko.

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From: mahan@tgv.COM (Patrick L. Mahan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: RE: "Minimum size" attachments/constraints.
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:23:33 GMT
Organization: The Internet

#
#I would like to create a dialog box which is the minimum size necessary
#to contain the widgets inside of it.  Because different displays have
#different resolutions, this minimum size is dependent upon several factors:
#the font used and the display used come to mind.
#
#I have been trying to create an attached dialog box (DECwindows) that
#will size itself.  I cannot.  I have attached all of the widgets to
#each other (in font units and in other versions in pixel units).  I
#have attached the widgets to their container.  Still, if I don't give
#the outermost dialog box a height and a width, I get only a very very
#small dialog box.
#

Jerry, unfortunately, this is how the dialog boxes under DECwindows work.
For instance, DECwindows Mail dialog boxes don't resize based on the font,
etc.  My best suggestion would be to add a work proc to go through and 
resize the dialog box after the widgets have been realized and mapped.
For an example of this, see Rick Murphy's DXRN code.

Patrick L. Mahan

--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: ead@netcom.com (Eric De Mund)
Subject: is there a defaultsedit(1)-like client for X?
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:40:05 GMT
Organization: netcom
Reply-To: ead@netcom.com (Eric De Mund)
X-Reply-To: ead@netcom.com (Eric De Mund)
Followup-To: poster

comp.windows.x, comp.sys.sun.apps people,

is there a defaultsedit(1)-like client for X?

eric de mund
<ead@netcom.com>
From: jjkim@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Date: 18 Jul 92 06:21 MDT
Subject: Re: xterm replacements? - Introduci
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul18.022144.24006@kum.kaist:-2029157326:001:978
Nf-From: cosmos.kaist.ac.kr!jjkim    Jul 18 06:21:00 1992


In article <EICHIN.92Jul9105414@tsx-11.mit.edu> eichin@athena.mit.edu (Mark W. Eichin) writes:
>Does anyone have a list of alternatives to xterm?
>	cxterm -- Chinese text xterm (there's also a kterm [kanji]
>somewhere... but I'm looking for ASCII display :-)
>	I'm particularly interested in free stuff, of course.
>				_Mark_ <eichin@athena.mit.edu>
>				MIT Student Information Processing Board
Oops ! I am introducing another NON-ASCII alternative to xterm ...
In Korea, Hanterm, which can be freely ftped from cair.kaist.ac.kr,
is widely used instead of xterm. It has all the options xterm has and
it can deal with Hangul (Korean Character). It is not using 'is' (input
server of x11r5) but has its own engine to do the complex things needed
to process Hangul.
Sure, it can show ALL THE ASCII characters too !

Jungju
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: toml@marvin.Solbourne.COM (Tom LaStrange)
Subject: Re: Where are those rolodex ?
Reply-To: toml@solbourne.com
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc. 	
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:12:34 GMT

In article <POP.92Jul27145233@goedel.mitre.org>, pop@goedel.mitre.org (Paul O. Perry) writes:
|> 
|> I recall an exercise in toolkit evaluation that asked for submissions
|> of an implementation of a rolodex in as many toolkits as possible. The
|> last I heard there were submissions for : motif, interviews, tcl/tk,
|> wcl, and I'm sure others, but the programs were not released.  Have
|> the demos since been released, if not, is there any plan to release
|> them ?


Unfortunately they are still sitting in my mailbox.  I never did get vanilla
versions of motif/olit/xview/interviews.  One of these days I'll get around
to compiling the results into something meaningful.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)
Subject: Where is the FAQ
Keywords: FAQ ftp expiry
Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)
Organization: Trent University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:41:25 GMT


Hello all,

	I'm having a hard time tracking down the comp.windows.x FAQ list.
Can anybody point me to an FTP site that has the most recent version?
Who maintains it?  How often is it posted?  Obviously, it's been expired at
our site.

Thanks in advance.


Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst      |     THIS SPACE FOR RENT
Trent University, Peterborough Ontario| 
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Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:14397 comp.windows.misc:1104
From: can@pmw1.nuclint.nl (Stan Abeln)
Subject: (none)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:32:43 GMT

Hello World!

We are relatively new users of email.
We'd like to find out how to use this medium and whether it can satisfy
our need for information.
Developing applications on Silicon Graphics workstations, we regularly have
questions on X, Motif and Gl.
If there's anyone who can tell us where to post questions on these topics,
please let us know.

Thanks in advance, 
     Hans Geurtsen, Stan Abeln
     Nucletron Research B.V., The Netherlands.
From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: presentation software needed !!
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:01:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

I'm attempting to build X11 R5 on a HP 9000/360 under HP-UX 8.0.  I was
wondering if anybody has done this before, since MIT only tested it on
versions up to 7.0.

Thanks

-- 
Richard
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: pds@cs.columbia.edu (Peter D. Skopp)
Subject: R5 386 Config file
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:06:07 GMT


I have a new ET4000 based vga controller card, and am trying to get it to
work with an IBM 8514 monitor.  

Has anyone had any luck with this combination, at 1024x768?

If so, could you please mail me a copy of your Xconfig file.
Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: pc xterm
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:43:30 GMT

In article <9207231941.AA20053@enet-gw.pa.dec.com>, mek@hydrox.enet.dec.com (Mark Klamerus) writes:

> I'm looking for an xterm which understand the ANSI and DOS extensions
> for terminal characters.  I would like to use this for dialing up
> bulletin boards and getting all the colors and characters they use.

Might want to look at mterm.  It does a pretty good ANSI X3.64, with
(if you ask for it) DEC extensions.  Given a detailed spec for
ANSI.SYS, it'd be easy to drop in an emulator module for that; it'd
probably amount to mostly ripping stuff out of the existing ANSI
module.

(To get mterm: anonymous ftp to larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1),
in X/mterm.src, get mterm.README and read it for more info.)

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: jlv@ebt-inc.uucp (Jeffrey L. Vogel)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: XtDestroyWidget changes in R5
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:24:51 GMT
Organization: EBT
Originator: jlv@ebt-inc


In X11R4, the phase 2 destruction of a widget did not occur until
the current invocation of XtDispatchEvent exited.  
XtDestroyWidget never performed the phase 2 destruction itself.

After XtDispatchEvent returns, any widgets set to be destroyed had 
their phase 2 destruction method called.

However, in R5, it seems as though XtDestroyWidget  performs the phase
2 destruction before it returns.  

Can anyone confirm/contradict this.



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