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From: Arturo Sanchez <txmrtur@TXM.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: Re: LA ONU
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:06:16 GMT

Bebo replica:


 ~>>        No puede ser Arturo!! Tu crees en la ONU? No es la ONU el colmo de l
as
 ~>>injusticias, el teatro de los paises ricos, el instrumento "legalizador" de

[...etc....]

Yo creo en Santa Claus, en los Reyes Magos, en la libertad de expresion en
nuestro pais, en las noticias de Televisa y en el respeto internacional a
los derechos humanos...o sea, si...tambien en la ONU. :-S  ;-) |-D |-D
(El ban~o? Al fondo a la derecha...) :->

No se trata de creer en si en la ONU o en cualquier otra organizacion v.g.
la Cruz Roja Internacional...sino en el objetivo (que es de lo que estabamos
hablando) de la fuerzas que estan en Somalia. Como dicen alla donde estas...
"so far so good", asi que aun no veo el lado oscuro que tanta tierra le
has aventado. Yo veo gente que estaba muriendose y que esta recibiendo
comida y medicinas. Algo que agregar? :-7 Ahora si que como a Alvarez
Machain...sr. fiscal, o me presenta evidencia o el caso esta cerrado. ;-)

 ~>>        Porque si a la liberacion de Kuwait y no a la de Chipre que hace 25
 ~>>a~os fue invadida por los turcos?

A lo que Alex sagazmente aclara:

 ~>
 ~>Chipre tiene fuerzas de paz de las naciones unidas.

Touche' ...monsieur Bebo! ;-)
Saludos!!!  :-{)
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From: lpress@isi.edu (Laurence I. Press)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Connectivity in Guanaguato??
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:43:48 GMT
Reply-To: lpress@venera.isi.edu ()
Distribution: world
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

Unix and DOS-based machines are available.

Thanks,
Larry Press

Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: Herrera Ruiz GILBERTO <gilberto@ZZZ.PE.U-TOKYO.AC.JP>
Subject: RE: LA ONU
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: U-TOKYO Netnews Service
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:02:04 GMT

   Bebo replica:


    ~>>        No puede ser Arturo!! Tu crees en la ONU? No es la ONU el colmo
 de l
   as
    ~>>injusticias, el teatro de los paises ricos, el instrumento "legalizador"
 de

   [...etc....]

   Yo creo en Santa Claus, en los Reyes Magos, en la libertad de expresion en
   nuestro pais, en las noticias de Televisa y en el respeto internacional a
   los derechos humanos...o sea, si...tambien en la ONU. :-S  ;-) |-D |-D
   (El ban~o? Al fondo a la derecha...) :->

   No se trata de creer en si en la ONU o en cualquier otra organizacion v.g.
   la Cruz Roja Internacional...sino en el objetivo (que es de lo que estabamos
   hablando) de la fuerzas que estan en Somalia. Como dicen alla donde estas...
   "so far so good", asi que aun no veo el lado oscuro que tanta tierra le
   has aventado. Yo veo gente que estaba muriendose y que esta recibiendo
   comida y medicinas. Algo que agregar? :-7 Ahora si que como a Alvarez
   Machain...sr. fiscal, o me presenta evidencia o el caso esta cerrado. ;-)

    ~>>        Porque si a la liberacion de Kuwait y no a la de Chipre que hace
 25
    ~>>a~os fue invadida por los turcos?

   A lo que Alex sagazmente aclara:

    ~>
    ~>Chipre tiene fuerzas de paz de las naciones unidas.

   Touche' ...monsieur Bebo! ;-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^????????????????

Estimados Arturo y Alex????

Mr. Bebo se refiere a LIBERAR, Yo Libero, Tu Liberas etc. no a HABER o
TENER.
Turquia invadio Chipre y la ONU no organizo una expedicion para
liberarla (Como tampoco lo hizo en los territorios ocupados por Israel).
que haya Cascos Azules en Chipre no contesta en nada la pregunta del
Sr. Bebo.
Por favor antes de empezar a escribir pongan a calentar sus motores
para que al leer entiendan mejor lo que esta escrito.


Gilberto.

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From: nagual@XOCHICALCO.EDU (Broughton Richmond)
Subject: Tonalamatl/Fri. Dec 18, 1992
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Xochicalco University, Tijuana, BCN
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:04:40 GMT

    Today is the 353th day of 1992 with 13 remaining.
    The moon is a waning crescent, moving towards its new phase.
    The morning stars are Mercury and Jupiter.
    The evening stars are Venus, Mars and Saturn.

Maya Long Count: 12. 18. 19. 12. 12.  CA-Eb HOLAHUN Mac
     Supplement: Day 25/29 of lunation number 6. Night Lord: Tlaloc.
Mexica: CHICOME-Calli. OME-Malinalli Tozoztontli CHICONAHI
Otomi: YOHTO-Anegu. YOHO-Anchaxttey. Antzhotho GUTHO
Purepecha Uexurini: 6-Tzhinapu. Huryiyata: 2-Uitzakua. Kutsi: Cuingo 14
Zapotec: CAAYO-Quij. TOPA-Pija. Cocijo: TOBI-Loo. Cocij: TOBI-Loo.
Viernes 18 de Diciembre de 1992

Feast of Our Lady of Solitude

1487
    [Day 7-Acatl Year 8-Acatl] Consecration of the Great Mexic Temple of
    Tenochtitlan. This temple was dedicated to Huitzilopochtli and Tlaloc,
    gods of war and water.

1536
    Hernan Cortes sends two ships with supplies for Francisco Pizarro
    and his soldiers in Peru.

1696
    Jose Sarmiento Valladares, Count of Moctezuma and Teba, becomes the
    32nd Viceroy of New Spain.

1829
    Jose Maria Bocanegra is elected President after Guerrero leaves
    to suffocate the uprising led by Bustamante in Veracruz.

1866
    The French troops of intervention begin to embark enroute to France.

1917
    Prohibition Amendment is passed by the U.S. Congress.
---------------------
"If an unbiased survey of all calendar systems, ancient and modern, was
 possible the Maya, from the point of view of its completeness and symmetry
 would almost certainly stand first."
 -- Broughton Richmond, _Time Measurement and Calendar Construction_
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: haggar@bnr.ca (Haggar Alsaleh)
Subject: Cuernavaca.
Followup-To: haggar@bnr.ca
Keywords: Cuernavaca.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:04:59 GMT


Greetings,	
 I would appreciate it if some kind person
tell me, when is the last bus leaving the bus station 
to Cuernavaca on friday night. I will be arriving
in Mexico city airport at 9:45pm, take a Taxi to
the bus station (I believe it is station Del Sud?)
and hopping to catch a bus, train to Cuernavaca.

Also, for the people that been there, could you
tell me about the places to see, the night clubs
and the night life.

Thanks
Haggar@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: DEMO VS U.S. IN SOMALIA 12/21 NYC
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:53:16 GMT
Organization: Inter-Galactic Space Probe No. 42

In article <GILFORD.92Dec16090437@lexus.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi) writes:
>I have encountered people of different walks of life who are opposed
>	I guess the major problem I have with "these" people is that
>not one of them is suggesting how else the situation could be
>rectified at this juncture.  Looking and reading about the

Gilford, this demonstration against the US invasion of Somalia gives you 
some insight into what makes America a great country for many people: one 
can get by without ever having to do any thinking at all.  No doubt the 
people demonstrating will be waving their placards after first having  
filled themselves up with cheap hamburgers, "french fries" (which I am 
told are actually some imitation of potato, or potatoe, chips), and 
coca-cola.  Being 10,000 miles from Somalia and not knowing where Africa 
is doesn't hurt either.



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From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Fidel Condemns Somalia Invasion/ed-
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:23:00 GMT
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Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Dec 19 12:23:00 1992


Subject: Fidel Condemns Somalia Invasion/ed-lp
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

From el diario/La Prensa 12/18/93

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa"
is a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.

Castro Condemns Somalia Invasion

Cuba's President Fidel Castro condemned the multinational military
intervention in Somalia, and particularly the participation of the
US, which he said aims to "resolve the problem of hunger with
cannons." Castro's statement was released by the Cuban news agency
Prensa Latina on Dec. 17. He pointed out the contrast between the
US's supposed concern for the hunger suffered by the people
Somalia, while at the same time it continues to impose the embargo
against Cuba. (edlp 12/15/92 from AFP)
 

 NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit
 Modem: 718-448-2358  *  Internet: nytransfer@igc.apc.org
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From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:32:12 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN


an inter press service

harare, dec 3 (ips) -- zimbabwe's censorship board has come under
fire from people in the film industry who have expressed
frustration over its criteria for censoring material.

film distributors strongly feel that the board is making
unwarranted bannings and cuts on several ''good films'' where bad
language, sex or violence, is intrinsic to the story-line.

for example, argues bruce waters, critically-acclaimed films
by african-american directors such as 'boyz in the hood' and 'new
jack city' were rejected here this year.

''these films which were put together by black film-makers in
the united states only depicted the life of black americans and
nplace on the
streets of new york, but which the censorship board feels as
custodians of a nations morals, are not to be unleashed on
zimbabwe.

according to the zimbabwe's censorship and entertainment
control act -- a hangover from the days of pre-independence
minority rule -- the board shall not approve any film or film
advertisement which in its opinion, depicts any matter that is
indecent, obscene or offensive or harmful to public morals.

films potraying explicit sex scenes or nudity, excessive
violence, homosexuality and lesbianism are also not acceptable in
zimbabwe, says peter sheren, chair of the censors board.

''the board executes its work under the provision of the
censorship act. it (the board) is an interpreter of the wishes of
the people on what ever they find acceptable and unacceptable'',
charges sheren.

but to the layman, some of its decisions seem a little
strange. recently, after congratulating itself that it deemed only
a few minutes of the torid hollywood blockbuster 'basic instinct'
offensive -- and allowing rampant displays of bare buttocks and
breast -- the cuts that were then made appeared all the more
inexplicable.

''from the excisions required by the board, it is apparent
that females getting gratification from the sexual act is
unacceptable. women just can't get pleasure from sex as far as the
board is concerned'', waters alled
(story received incomplete)
0043
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: SOUTH AFRICAN SOCCER UPDATE 3
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:45:46 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Dec17.055607.7931@leland.Stanford.EDU> chicco@leland.Stanford.EDU (Motlatsi M. Mokoena) writes:

> My apologies about the delay.....

>Bobsave Superbowl Finals

>Iwisa Kaiser Chiefs vs Jomo Midas Cosmos
>     2                        1

>Iwisa Kaiser Chiefs: By virtue of being the League Champions, they will
>                     be representing South Africa in the African Championship
>                     Cup (games not scheduled yet). 

>Jomo Midas Cosmos: (yet to be confirmed) Since Chiefs opted for A.C.Cup, 
>                   Bobsave runners-up will represent South Africa in the 
>                   Africa Cup knockouts


>Chiefs is looking for a new coach; poor Jeff Buttler said he'd love to stick
>around but his response, according to Chiefs spokes(person)* "was late"

>*not to offend the critics

>MMM
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:05:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec14.142549.6286@hippo.ru.ac.za> apj@beldin.sun.ac.za (Andries Dippenaar) writes:
>
>I'm no great expert either, but at the moment the law limits private
>citizens (ie. *anybody*) to a maximum of 14 firearms per person.
>Only in very special cases may that limit be extended.  The latter is
>mainly for gun collectors.  Also, when applying for a licence, proof
>Andries

Except ofcourse that Blacks ARE not citizens of South Africa according to
boer law.



makala


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Proposals to Aid Somalia?????
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:43:36 GMT

In article <1471700299@igc.apc.org> jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield) writes:
>
>In this topic it was said:
>
>"...Is it possible that the problem in Somalialand is that there
>are too many Somalians?"
>
>and I said "I think it is hihgly provocative, but not stupid."
>
>and Kauta said: "this is not a wise statement.... I hope you get
>flamed on this one."
>
>Well....you may think the fellow who raised the original question,
>a question obviously designed to fly in the face of our common
>sensibilities, is stupid.  Maybe so, but even if he is, I think
>there is important food for discussion here.

You sound more and more like a Somali warlord...er..excuse *meee*. I meant
a Somali Regional Leader.

>Maybe you should teach the writer some tact, or perhaps you could
>offer some points of style, but don't you think we ought to
>question our basic assumptions about humanitarian assistance
>sometimes?

Teaching the writer some tact, huh?? Obviously this is the right person...

>it seems to me you would argue that such assistance has often been
>the cover for nefarious acts perpetrated by blood-thirsty and
>money/power hungry "democracies".  Because of this interpretation,
>I think we should struggle to get clearer and clearer about why we
>do certain things together (like send in the marines) and to get
>the motives be hind them out into the light of day.
>
>Don't you think so, too?

You won't get any opinion from me about this one. Only time will tell. Those
are YOUR troops, not mine.

>ps: go ahead, now.  I can take it. Fire up your best shot :-)

He! He! He! Giving me the other cheek, eh? You really are a good Samaritan.
Anyways, go in peace old man. Not in pieces. You've lived a full life. No
need to be disturbed at this age..Peace and quiet. Yep! That's what you
need. I suggest you git yourself a divorce..:-) :-) :-)

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From: rbilisol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Roger L Bilisoly)
Subject: local news on south africa wanted[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:37:20 GMT

roger bilisoly
rbilisol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:09:20 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Dec15.201127.4331@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.100403.12148@vms.eurokom.ie> ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
>>ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis), AT&T  writes
>>
>>> ...
>>> ... after the way our guys toasted those armored vehicles ...
>>> ...
>>
>>I beg to object to that way of talking. [Of course you have the right
>>to say that, I just mean I think you shouldn't.] Rightly or wrongly US
>>troops killed quite a few people in those vehicles, it wasn't toast in the
>>vehicles. I just think that way of talking is a way of dehumanising
>>
>of course, the people who got killed fired first and the good guys fired
>back in defense so i have no particular sympathy for them.  on any account,
>i don't think i will mistake the armed thugs for mother theresa, if you
>catch my drift...
>
>>war and trying not to realise what it involves.
Indeed. Thos ,was also done during the Gulf War, where the scenes of slaughter were not exposed to the viewing public.
>>
>i wouldn't call the mission in somalia "war" as such, but i am concerned
>about the safety of our troops over there and want them all to come back
>ok.
>
>>This is what worries me about America (well OK it's called the UN these
>>days) intervening in civil wars in the third world and taking over a
>>country. Sounds like a good precedent for a recolonisation of the
>>third world now there's no counterweight like the USSR which for all
>>its faults at least sometimes gave training and arms to people like the
>>ANC, Sandinistas, etc. (And no this doesn't mean I want people to starve

people got all these big guns and there aint nobody to use them on but us people of colour.  I heard last night that now only 100 people per day are dying. HMM. maybe because fewer left to die, rather than a direct result of intervention.
Where the fuck is Bosnia?? Lets get equal intervention


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:09:50 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:

> >i wouldn't call the mission in somalia "war" as such, but i am concerned
> >about the safety of our troops over there and want them all to come back
> >ok.
> >
> >>This is what worries me about America (well OK it's called the UN these
> >>days) intervening in civil wars in the third world and taking over a
> >>country. Sounds like a good precedent for a recolonisation of the
> >>third world now there's no counterweight like the USSR which for all
> >>its faults at least sometimes gave training and arms to people like the
> >>ANC, Sandinistas, etc. (And no this doesn't mean I want people to starve
> 
> people got all these big guns and there aint nobody to use them on but us peo
> Where the fuck is Bosnia?? Lets get equal intervention
> 
> 

We, along with a few other countries, probably *will* be intervening in 
Bosnia pretty soon...and I have to say, reluctantly...YES.

There are lots of good reasons *not* to do that...a tangle of ethnic 
hostilities going back decades, if not centuries...and fighting in Bosnia 
means combining two of the worse kinds of warfare there are, mountain 
warfare and house-to-house in big cities.

But apart from relieving the suffering of defenseless people, there's one 
compelling reason why something *has* to be done. Two little words...

"Ethnic cleansing."

I've never been to Bosnia. I'm lucky if I can correctly *spell* 
Herzegovina. If it meant saving my own life, I couldn't tell a Serb from 
a Croat from a Slovene from a Montenegran.

But the first time I heard that term, ethnic cleansing, my blood ran 
cold. the first time I heard it, I knew what it meant. Odds are, you did 
too.

We can't let ideas like that gain even a tiny foothold in the world, 
anywhere. Hitler taught us that, or he should've. I do believe the rise 
in neo-Nazi attacks on foreigners in Germany is due in part to the fact 
that nobody has stomped out this cancer in Bosnia so far.

If you let others in the world see that you can engage in things like 
"ethnic cleansing" without being stopped, or even seriously challenged, 
it will occur to others to try it elsewhere.

It has to be stopped. I hate to think what it'll cost to stop it, but it 
*has* to be stopped.
G.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Ran( Homosex in Mombaasa....)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:27:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <102455@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>
>You didn't answer my question.  Machela says he's Zulu and gay, you say
>he isn't.  Why should I believe you?
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)


I did answer your question. Yes this Machela is a homosexual Zulu, and this
fact is irrelevant. That is his buisness. The fact I was trying to communic
ate to you is that this man acquired his contrary attitudes from his associ
ates. Furthermore, the Zulus like all other Africans, abhor h/sexuality. 
and don't indulge in it. The fact that he is such does not mean that the 
Zulus indulge in h/sex. This reflects on the (european ) people whom he
acquired this habit from, and not the Zulu from he would not have acquired
it had remain only their custody. Did you read my posting on the Swahili?


makala

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