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From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [Usono] alta produkto-grado en Usono                                            [United States] high productivity in the U.S.A.
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.esperanto
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:04:07 GMT

     [A Chinese sees productivity in the U.S.A. and week family ties.
English follows.]

     Usono havas altan produkto-gradon, c^u ne?

     Kiam mi venis al Usono por studo, mi sentis, ke mi havas multan tempon
por studajn hejm-taskojn.  Repensinte, mi sentis, ke tio estas c^ar mi
spezas neniun tempon kun mia familio.  Sed c^i tio estis nur studado.

     Multaj Usonanoj havas altan produkto-gradon.  Grave, tio estas c^ar
ili spezas malmultan tempon kun ilia familio.  Tio estas ne studado,
sed reala vivo!  Tial, la prezo oni pagas por alta produkto-grado estas
familiaj rilatoj.  Ne estas dubeble, kial ekzistas multaj familiaj problemoj
inter infanoj, mezag^uloj (kiu havas infanojn kaj gepatrojn),
kaj maljunuloj en Usono.

	-	-	-

     The U.S.A. has high productivity, right?

     When I came to the U.S.A. for school, I felt that I had a lot of time
for school homework.  Re-thinking, I felt that that was because I
spent no time with my family.  But this was only school.

     Many Usonians have high productivity.  Importantly, that is because
they spend little time with their family.  That is not school,
but real life!  So, the price one pays for high productiviety is
family relations.  No wonder, whey there are may family problems
between children, middle-aged ones (who have children and parents),
and old ones in the U.S.A.

			G^ONGO C^i-jau'o (s-ric^o), dimanc^on [Sunday]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:52:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.134232.84379@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:

   New York's is probably the oldest or close to it.  Other US cities have
   subways.  The only one I'm familiar with the DC metro.  In contrast to NY,
   it's clean and a lot safer and very easy to use.

I believe Boston had a subway first, but New York's got a lot bigger a
lot sooner.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 681 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: Mario.Salamon@zoo.utas.edu.au (Mario Salamon)
Subject: E-mail address Univ. St. Louis
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:32:56 GMT

Hi,

could anybody help me with the e-mail address of the University of St. Louis.
I try to find someone from the Zoology Department.

I have tried to find it with ftp but I got stuck.

Thanks very much. 

Mario
e-mail: Mario.Salamon@zoo.utas.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Ignorance is *NOT* bliss!
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:06:20 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

How do I create a kill file to filter out Serdic's messages?

advTHANKSance,
--Dennis
From: chrysp@zooid.guild.org (Chrys Pelegris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: H.N.I.N. #4 - PART I
Date:  5 Jan 93 19:09:36 GMT

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                                H.N.I.N
                  Hellenic News & Information Network
 
                       " Greek News from Abroad "
                  Edition 4 - Saturday January 2, 1993
 
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Sorry for not posting for a while, hopefully the amount of this edition will
make up for it. :)
 
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All articles from the "Hellenic Times" - December/92
Reprinted without permission.
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                         Hellenic Times (Pg 9)
                      IN THE NAME OF MACEDONIA...
                        Western voices speak up
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com (E%  000)
Subject: Re: (repost) why is soc.culture.turkish free of Arxids?
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:49:18 GMT

In article <9301041455.AA09838@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos <c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> writes:
>(I used my little mail program to cross post, apparently utexas has
>fixed the gateway so I can crosspost using the To: and Cc: headers)
>
>It has been interesting that our friend Arxid has not been posting
>his droppings in soc.culture.turkish for a while now. Meanwhile,
>I got a megabyte's worth of Arxid's and an itch to dump them on
>soc.culture.turkish, all with a line at the end saying that this 
>should also be cross-posted to soc.culture.turkish.
> 
>Can anyone give me a good reason NOT to? 
> 
>Spiros
>--
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    "Ne mutlu anti-Argic diyene ?
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com                 Ne mutlu anti-Mutlu diyene !" > 

This is a free country and this network is a free forum
for all.  So, knowing the answer "do whatever you want"  
but still ask is just an attempt to start another fruitless discussion 
about this subject.  Do whatever you want or suit yourself, Spiros.  
You know you don't get any permission from anyone to post
whatever you want.  Everybody is assumed to have the cognizance of 
their own actions here.  So far nobody has denied this or done 
something suggesting as the denial of this basic premise.

I should mind you that Mutlu/Argic obsession of some (including you) 
cannot be unnoticed as the crutch to satisfy self exploiting 
ventures.  Of course, sincerity about stopping Argic postings, wasting 
band-with, etc. in previous acts goes down to the drain when such
lame arguments surface again and again. 

Spiros, I think this is enough tail-gating since you are asking what 
to do in your spare time.  Remember, another point tried to bhe 
established here is "people should not post when they don't have 
anything new to say." 

C. Akgun
From: chrysp@zooid.guild.org (Chrys Pelegris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: H.N.I.N. #4 - PART I
Date:  5 Jan 93 22:48:00 GMT

From: chrysp@zooid.guild.org (Chrys Pelegris)
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 
>                                H.N.I.N
>                  Hellenic News & Information Network
> 
>                       " Greek News from Abroad "
>                  Edition 4 - Saturday January 2, 1993

	....sorry, been having trouble posting this sucker.  Its quite large,
my reader crashes with it.. I'm trying to chop it up.  Sigh..

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (over and out)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:30:52 GMT

In article: <1993Jan10.090633@imhfhp16.epfl.ch>
gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes
(answering to Gregory Dandulakis, after a rather heated
argument):

>...
>
>B4 I sign off from this thread, let me say that I deeply regret
>having overeacted to your comparisons to between Greece-Italy-Spain,
>but seeing your insensitive and false insinuation  above, I am
>not sure that I was unjustified. Neither I nor anyone related
>to me has been involved in the politics of Greece. I happen
>to have lived half my life outside  Greece and I find many of
>their/your arguments hollow. No doudt my prolonged exposure
>to the evil foreign media is to blame; I believe that this is
                                                       -------
>true of the majority of Greeks living abroad for more than 10
 ------------------------------------------------------------
>years. Still, I hope that I succeeded in making u notice that
>there more opinions that yours and given the brief interval b4
>abuse starts, some kind of argument can be made. Will u ever
>make an effort to be more tolerant?
>

What is some times (not as frequently as you would imply)
observed with greeks who live abroad for several
years, is a weird sense of association of themselves with
the cool country they live in - as if they can feel pride
for other people's accomplishments - and subsequent critisism 
of Greece "from above". The latter, typical of our greek
arrogant character [guys, these are my interpretations and I 
don't personally accuse anybody at this very point] is very
evident inside Greece as well, especially among writers, reporters
etc. I hope you all realize what I mean by saying "from above": the
comfortable critisism, pretty much like "scolding the crowd", as
opposed to critisism with pain for something that we love and 
are a part of.

Personal opinion, of course.

L. Skartsis

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:12041 soc.culture.turkish:13794
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: (repost) why is soc.culture.turkish free of Arxids?
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:14:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <9301041455.AA09838@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
 > It has been interesting that our friend Arxid has not been posting
 > his droppings in soc.culture.turkish for a while now.
More interesting is that he sets his follow-ups to soc.culture.turkish only!
So those reading soc.culture.turkish see *only* the follow-ups while those
reading the other groups do *not* see the follow-ups.
 >                                                       Meanwhile,
 > I got a megabyte's worth of Arxid's and an itch to dump them on
 > soc.culture.turkish, all with a line at the end saying that this 
 > should also be cross-posted to soc.culture.turkish.
 >  
 > Can anyone give me a good reason NOT to? 
Yes.  There are quite a few readers of that newsgroup that are just as fed
up with him as you are.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: why is soc.culture.turkish free of Arxids?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:39:47 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9301041417.AA09530@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos <c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> writes:
>It has been interesting that our friend Arxid has not been posting
>his droppings in soc.culture.turkish for a while now. Meanwhile,
>I got a megabyte's worth of Arxid's and an itch to dump them on
>soc.culture.turkish, all with a line at the end saying that this 
>should also be cross-posted to soc.culture.turkish.
>
>Can anyone give me a good reason NOT to? 
>
>Spiros
>--
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    "Ne mutlu anti-Argic diyene ?
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com                 Ne mutlu anti-Mutlu diyene !"

As an inhabitant of soc.culture.turkish, please I would like to ask you
not to.  I am blessed with a KILL file, but not everyone is so
fortunate.  

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Ignorance is *NOT* bliss!
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>How do I create a kill file to filter out Serdic's messages?

 You won't needed. He's gone.

>advTHANKSance,
>--Dennis

 Panos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: nico@yama.geac.com (Nico Giokas)
Subject: Computer related business opportunities in Greece
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:01:22 GMT
Organization: Geac Canada Limited

G'day...I'd like to know what opportunities, if any, exist in Greece for
anyone with extensive knowledge of computers, networking...etc.  I would
assume that Greece is ripe for anyone seeking employment in such an area
as more and more industries as upgrading their technologies.
nico

-- 
---
Nico Giokas, Manager, Computer Services
Geac Canada Limited.
From: Spiros Triantafyllopoulos <c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: why is soc.culture.turkish free of Arxids?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 08:19:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

It has been interesting that our friend Arxid has not been posting
his droppings in soc.culture.turkish for a while now. Meanwhile,
I got a megabyte's worth of Arxid's and an itch to dump them on
soc.culture.turkish, all with a line at the end saying that this 
should also be cross-posted to soc.culture.turkish.

Can anyone give me a good reason NOT to? 

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    "Ne mutlu anti-Argic diyene ?
c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com                 Ne mutlu anti-Mutlu diyene !"
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (over and out)
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:06:33 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1993Jan9.214105.22108@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
|> >

|> No, it doesn't!!! You are trying to down grade any possible good point of
|> Greece. Are you from the civil war losers (they had the fame of this mania
|> for a while)?
|> 

I see that this is getting ugly. Allow me to drop out.

B4 I sign off from this thread, let me say that I deeply regret
having overeacted to your comparisons to between Greece-Italy-Spain,
but seeing your insensitive and false insinuation  above, I am
not sure that I was unjustified. Neither I nor anyone related
to me has been involved in the politics of Greece. I happen
to have lived half my life outside  Greece and I find many of
their/your arguments hollow. No doudt my prolonged exposure
to the evil foreign media is to blame; I believe that this is
true of the majority of Greeks living abroad for more than 10
years. Still, I hope that I succeeded in making u notice that
there more opinions that yours and given the brief interval b4
abuse starts, some kind of argument can be made. Will u ever
make an effort to be more tolerant?

sg



|> 
|> Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (oil?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:33:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.190040.14936@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>Is it true that there is supposed to be massive quantities of oil underneat the
>sea that separates Greece and Turkey.....but that these countries will go to
>war if the other attempts to drill for it?


It is true that their is serious speculation for this.


>That's not my main point...my main point is that if there are oodles of bucks
>to be made from this oil, is it possible that the EC's hoping to get in on the
>action (and therefore welcomed Greece into the EC)????


Who knows!


>--a stupid ignorant blind american putting his two cents in


Your name would also help.


Gr
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros GAVRILAKIS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (oil?)
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:47:02 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1993Jan8.190040.14936@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
|> Is it true that there is supposed to be massive quantities of oil underneat the
|> sea that separates Greece and Turkey.....but that these countries will go to
|> war if the other attempts to drill for it?
|> 
|> That's not my main point...my main point is that if there are oodles of bucks
|> to be made from this oil, is it possible that the EC's hoping to get in on the
|> action (and therefore welcomed Greece into the EC)????
|> 


There has been speculation for quite a number of years about this, but 
no major quantities have been found. I read a year ago - while in hols
in Greece - that if one considers the geology of Agean seabed, the odds
of finding substantial reserves are small.

Even if major quantities are found in the Agean, Greece is unlikely to 
give them for free and hence the benefits to the EC may not be all that
great.

The UK is (was) self-sufficient in oil and arguably this  had deleterious effects
on its economy. Norway - which has applied for membership - is an exporter
but noboby expects to get any free oil.

Does the above make sense?

sg
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: I'm impressed
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:31:22 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hasan has finally figured out how to properly capitalise Delco. Not
DELCO, delco, or DELco... 

Now, Hasan, for 300 dollars, what does Delco stand for? (Dayton 
Engineering Laboratories Corporation :-)). 

So, has Cosar been kicked out of mn.org yet? I heard some pretty interesting
comments from people trying to reason with him. Do you now do brainwashing
over the net too?

I'm impressed. 

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Re: Vegans in Greece
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:59:05 GMT


cla02@keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace) writes:
: I need some help with a problem.
: 
: I am taking a group of students to Athens in March (which is no problem
: at all). But two of them have just told me that they are Vegans, who eat
: no animal products at all. Now, vegetarians are no problem - they eat
: cheese and eggs and milk etc., and they can cope. But how do you survive
: as a vegan in Greece? None of these foods are open to them. They're nice
: kids, and this is their first trip to Greece, and I wouldn't want it to
: be a bad experience for them.
: 
: More particularly, I am unsure whether any Greek non-meat dishes
: actually have hidden animal products in them. I have the impression that
: Greeks use olive oil all the time instead of butter, and don't cook with
: milk very much, but on the whole I just eat the stuff, I've never tried
: cooking it!
: 
: If anyone can give me any advice I can pass on to my vegan students, I
: would be very grateful.
: 

	Well Greeks have an intresting custom that might help. On relegeous 
ocasions they faast. When I mean Greeks honestly faast I mean all products that
come from animals with blood are excluded. A possible exception were the food
for fasting would not be OK is some sea food. Like kalamari or octupous. But
that would be obvious. So there is a range off food set up for the fasting that
would fit very well. I don't live in Greece now but I am sure if you ask
for food for the fasting then you should have no problem. There is quite a bit
of it. All the ways to cook beans did not make me happy when fasting, but ...
	:-)

: And a Happy New Year!
: 

	Thanks and like wise.
		Hope I helped.

: Richard Wallace

	George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (oil?)
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:03:16 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

> Even if major quantities are found in the Agean, Greece is unlikely to 
> give them for free and hence the benefits to the EC may not be all that
> great.
> 
> The UK is (was) self-sufficient in oil and arguably this  had deleterious effects
> on its economy. Norway - which has applied for membership - is an exporter
> but noboby expects to get any free oil.
> 
> Does the above make sense?


Well...I just figured that the EC would jump at any opportunity to loosen
its dependence on the Middle Eastern countries.  So if Greece had access to
oil...in any quantity...that the EC would be tickled pink.

Maybe not.  I'm not a geopolitician in any way, shape, or form.


--Dennis
From: ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: Employment opportunities in Athens?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:56:32 GMT

In article: <11488.3248.uupcb@factory.com>
michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) writes:

>Lambros Skartsis Writes:
>>
>>As you know there are hundreds of thousands of foreign workers in
>>Greece presently - of course, the vast majority from the third world -
>>while every summer lots of tourists make money by jobs like waiters,
>>etc. I sure don't know how much of this employment is ... perfectly
>>legal
>
> There are procedures that allow non-EEC foreigners to obtain jobs, but
>the vast majority of "ergatotouristes" (tourist workers) don't bother.
>Demand for labor is very high in Greece during the summer, and employers
>will do anything to get young english-speaking people as waiters,
>disk-jockeys, bellboys, etc. I get this info from someone
>(greek-american, not a Greek citizen, very limited knowledge of Greek)
>who spend 3 months as 'ergatotouristas' in '89 in Rhodes, and a few
>months in '87 in Kalamata.
>

Thanks. By the way, I forgot to tell our American friend the most important:
the fast, easy way for a foreigner to make money in Greece, at least for some
time is, of course, to teach a foreign language. Officially or unofficially
(i.e., private tutoring) one can make lots of money that way with the least
effort! During my years of learning german I had two "unofficial" and
three "official" lady teachers who  were simply german wives of greeks that
moved in Greece. As for English teachers, there are obviously many more such
opportunities. I'm not sure for the technical requirements (i.e. kind of degree
to prove the ability to teach the language) but, for the "unofficial" version,
like for anything similar in Greece, they don't seem to exist!                                                                                                      
Labros