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From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Subject: Re: CoC Thoughts for Part II (Spoilers)
Keywords: Riker vs. Jelico
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:12:36 GMT

In article <ratner.724442893@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner) writes:
>Spoilers for Chain of Command follow:

>
>Part I possibily shows that the Vice-Admiral and Capt. Jelico are corrupt:
>	"What about our OTHER friends..."
>(Yes, there are other possible interpretations).
>
>However, it makes me think that the whole commando mission with Picard
>was a setup by the Vice-Admiral, Capt. Jelico, and their Cardassian friends
>specifically to capture Picard.  That is, the Cardassians and the Feds

I don't know, haven't seen the CoC, Pt1 yet... but, nevertheless, according
to Paramount, they are using Ronnie Cox to see about a replacement for
Patrick Stewart if he doesn't renew his contract.  I don't think they would
make him corrupt if they were going to try this with him... it would be
harder to make him the captain of the flagship of the Federation, after
a court-martial.

I do think Riker (Jonathan Frakes) should be the commander, but it's my
opinion...

-L.
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From: mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:28:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.165329.15926@en.ecn.purdue.edu> rupley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Rupley) writes:

^L

>
>  I think his conversation with Geordi in engr should erase any doubts about
>Jelico having NO knowledge ... not saying he would be qualified, but he at
>least knew some of his stuff. Also, arent there supposed to be more Galaxy
>class ships than just the Ent. in StarFleet? 

There is also the conversation on the bridge between Riker, Data, and Jelico
which showed that he may know certain technologies, but did not know
how the Galaxy Class ships are designed. He wanted a redesign which would
take 7 hours. And a few of the things he said to do, were already implemented
on the Enterprise, leading to my conclusion, that he is not the most
knowledgable person to command the Enterprise.

Additional Galaxy Class ships do exist. Currently, there are five. The
Enterprise, The Galaxy, and three others yet to be named. The sixth, Yamato
was destroyed in "Contagion." Additionally, six other Galaxy class
vessels have proceeded to the end of the framework stage only. These six 
were then broken down and dispersed to remote sites for security reasons.
This information was taken from "Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical
Manual" by Sternbach and Okuda. Pages 2 and 14.


>
>    This is ONE interpretation of what they meant. Certainly there is
>ambiguitity to it. Another interpretation is that their friends refers
>to Picards team. I also find it unlikely that wishing to see their friends
>again would refer to the Cardassians since Capt. J was currently negotiating
>with them (ie he would be currently seeing them, not wanting too). I think
>most likely there were just speaking they way they did on the off chance
>that the Card's had broken their transmission codes. 
>  I guess we'll just have to wait another week (or so) to find out who's
>right. Although corruption would certainly explain why they sent Picard
>in the first place (as someone else pointed out, you dont send famous
>people on commandoe raids) , I dont see much real evidence for it here.
>

Again, in the engineering section which you mentioned, he ordered the 
changes which would take 48 hours to complete with ALL engineering
personnel on duty. Time to the Cardassians was 51 hours. This left only
three hours for the crew to rest. This may be a bad decision in that
if the Enterprise were to run into trouble, the engineering crew would
not be able to act as quickly.


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From: spinuzzi@gab.unt.edu (Clay Spinuzzi)
Subject: Kirk vs. the Borg (was Re: A Good Captain)
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:52:15 GMT

In article <1g7duaINN6si@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:

[BOBW plot deleted]

>it
>was the type of situation Kirk excelled in, and I don't think even
>Kirk would have come up with such a tightly executed plan (Kirk would
>have taken it one step at a time, and improvised from one moment to
>the next).


 -->Kirk vs. the Borg<--

Act I
Kirk Spock, and McCoy would have been imprisoned by the Borg and made to 
wear pain collars. 


Act II
Kirk would be served food by a female Borg (have we ever seen one?). 
He would then seduce her and use her to escape.

Act III
Kirk, Spock, and McCoy sow confusion and discord throughout the Borg ship. 
("Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!")

Act IV
Kirk makes a speech about humanity. The Borg decide to shuck their 
prosthetics and live in a free, capitalistic democracy.

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From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: Action Figure Observation
    <cboerm48.724117194@ursa> <1992Dec12.105649.19303@admiral.uucp>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:46:04 GMT
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   Speaking of action figures, does anyone know why the Riker figure
has rips in his uniform??  I am quite curious..

RC Carman

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
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Subject: Re: Chain of Command
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:36:11
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu's message of 20 Dec 92 06:05:07 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Dec 92 06:05:07 GMT, dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) said:

dascoser> Great episode. One question though. Who played the
dascoser> Cardassian negotiator?  He also pulled off a great
dascoser> perfomance.

Wasen't it the same actor who played the Klingon Ambassator in ST:VI?

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From: wesc@ucsb.edu ((Wesley J. Chun))
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Subject: Chain of Command Part I (*SPOILERS!*)
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:59:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara


Warning!

Okay, you've hit return or space twice now, so that means you
want to read this...  so Paramount *did* have to alter the normal
schedule to bring us that cliffhanger of an episode. 

The story was basically this:  Picard is relieved of duty immedi-
ately and sent on a stealth mission with Worf and Crusher to Car-
dassian terrritory whereby he was captured, leading to the conclu-
sion next week.

This episode was pretty good in my opinion.  From the music to the
plot to the suspense and to the action, it was very reminiscent of
Best of Both Worlds Part I.  Ronny Cox plays his characters well.
This is not the first time that he played a great "Mr. Meany" (not
Colm either).  It was strange, however, to see him be abusive with-
out abusive language... !@$&*.  The teaser was short, to the point.
'Nuff said.

And if Michael Piller thinks that Patrick Stewart gives the per-
formance of his Star Trek career, the promos for the conclusion
of this episode don't prove him wrong.  It looks *better*.  He also
mentioned that DS9 would be a darker show, and not the "happy family"
atmosphere of TNG.  I think that that point is delivered to us too.

The only question I have is:  Why Picard/Crusher/Worf team and not
some young Starfleet commando team (with appropriate backgrounds)?

Can't wait till next week!

W.
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: AIDS and Klingons
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:38:23 GMT

qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:


>	Two things about the Next Generation have been
>bothering me. (1) No explanation about why the original Klingons
>look different from the new ones (2) No episode dealing with AIDS.
>Well, why not have a story dealing with both:


Well, not to flame *too* much but, PLEASE!

>	The Enterprise finds a ship of old style Klingons with
>some new ones in hot pursuit trying to blow them away.
>Basically, the Enterprise has to convince the new Klingons not
>do this.  The source of the trouble is that, a few years after
>the original series, a deadly virus started to infect members
>of the old Klingons.  Although it was equally infectious to ALL
>Klingons, the new ones hunted them down until they were almost
>extinct.
>	Since I'm not a writer, I'm not putting this very well,
>and I knew it seems very hokey and transparent, but do you guys
>think it could work?  Gee, I hope those Paramount people ARE
>watching.

I'd agree with the hokey and transparent part, but I'd have to say
I hope the Paramount people AREN'T watching.

ST is after all a Science Fiction show, not a heath or disease awarness
info-mercial. And there's many many good reasons to explain the Klingon
differences. Most notiable would have to be Gene's reason: There is no
difference. TOS Klingons do look like TNG Klingons, but they didn't have 
the budget or technology to make themookk that way in TOS.

I'm sorry, but I think your idea kinda sucks...



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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:38:42 GMT

In article <ternent.17@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:
>In article <ericw.724358472@hobbes> ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa) writes:
>
>>I was watching TV last night and saw some random show about "Fighter Jets"
>>and realized why the Federation Phasers always hit (And track) their targets,
>>while everyone elses always miss.  (Really, Why is it that everytime Riker
>>and "The Evil Alien Being" get into a shoot out, the alien always misses,
>>and Riker only needs one shot to stun the alien.)
>
>>Federation Hand Phasers come equiped with RADAR Lock, ECM, and a gyroscopic
>>interface to track the target as the target and/or Riker are moving!!!
>
>Not true... as someone mentioned a few weeks (months?) ago, Worf couldn't 
>hit the broad side of a barn with his phaser.  Chances are the barn would 
>turn around and whip his butt. :-)

Ah, but everyone knows that all Klingons, due to years of exposure to harmful
Cloaking-device radiation emit a RADAR jamming field from their bodies. Which
is why Worf can never hit! 


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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: ST:VII - Horror of horrors (depending on your view...)
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:01:05 GMT

A friend is spreading a rumor to me that I'm wondering if anoyone can  
confirm.  According to him Paramount does not like to end series on an odd  
number, so a ST:VIII is almost a given.  Is this a true Paramountism?

Howard
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From: 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Subject: Troi blown! Jelico cool! Spot DSN? READ!!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:09:43 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


Troi you slut put a suit and shut up bitch

Three cheers for Jelico ....

I love how Data agreed with what Jelico said!
Yes that an acceptable task too!

Ha ha ha ha ha (cracked me up!)

Ouch Picard going to get up the ass in the show!
Ouch! Toture city!

Love how Crusher stroked the Fernegi's ears!
Stroke it baby! You medical whore! SNAP!

Jelico remindes me of every teacher in school!

Spoiler:
Spot the cat goes to Deep Space Nine as the official mascot!!!
He is Lt. Commander of the Cat Forces!
Yes its True!

signed,
Stimpi
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From: EAGRAHAM@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject: Patrick Stewart on Regis & Kathie Lee
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:07:10 EST

Sorry so late but, thursday the 17 9am EST Patrick Stewart will be on
Live -- Regis & Kathie Lee.  Hope it's good!
 
Ward Graham
    eagraham@suvm.acs.syr.edu
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From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: I, BORG ... or am I????
Reply-To: Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com
Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:09:12 GMT

In article <1g5lm6INN64i@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G.  
Kiefer) writes:
> In article <51140005@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, lloyd@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Lloyd  
Chandler) writes:
> >> O.K. Here's a question to let your brain chew on...
> >> 
> >> Are the Borg on the Borg ship assimilated beings from other worlds, OR are
> >> they actually Borg from a Borg world???
> 
> In article <1992Dec8.163108.12796@bsu-ucs> 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu  
writes:
> >Depends on what you call canon.  In Vandetta, I believe, the Enterprise
> >crew "rescued" a borg female that was once a well-known rouge pilot.
> >And then, you still have "Locutus".                     ^^^^^
> 
> "Rouge pilot"?
> 
> Oh, no!!  It's the return of the May Kay Commandos!!!!
                                   ^^^

Was that Mary Kay Commandos?

> 
> 
> (Not a flame.  I just got a good laugh out of this typo...
> It was a  typo, wasn't it?  :)
> 
> :-)

Not a flame. We must be just be caught in one of those famous warp drive  
wormhole spiraling typo phenomena.  Don't fire your phasers! ;-)
From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando)
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Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:15:57 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

Yes I agree !
I think it's a real shame that the script-writers/directors etc can't find the
courage to set an example.

Although they do appear infrequently, it's just not good enough.

Oh well, I suppose we have a bit of a wait ahead of us !
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:10:49 GMT

qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:


>	Perhaps Riker WOULD make a good captain, but let's
>consider this:  the Enterprise is often being referred to as
>the "flagship of the Federation" (whatever THAT is), and is
>certainly Starfleet's most powerful vessel.  Regardless of how
>good ANY first officer is, would he really be given the
>Enterprise as his FIRST command.  I doubt it.

	I'm assuming that "flagship of the Federation" simply means it's their 
biggest, most powerful ship. To the best of my knowledge, there are no other
Galaxy-class Star Ships. I've never seen then, or heard them mentioned, but...

	Anyways, logically speaking, yes, I'd have to agree a person would have to
serve as Captain of some other vessel before he or she was placed in command
of the biggest and the best. But, Star Trek (as has been shown *time* and
again!) is not always logical, and I would not be suprised to see Riker placed
in command of the E. It would fit the story line. Remeber, Sulu was placed in 
command of the Excelsor (sp?) and at the time that was the best ship, but he
(least I think so) didn't ever command before...

	Well, I'm sure I may have made a few errors in calls there, so flame 
away... I'll be waiting...

			CtB
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From: WCHE@vm.poly.edu
Subject: Re: AIDS and Klingons
Organization: Polytechnic University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:22:39 EST

In article <1992Dec9.083609.16928@Virginia.EDU>
qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
 
>
>        Two things about the Next Generation have been
>bothering me. (1) No explanation about why the original Klingons
>look different from the new ones (2) No episode dealing with AIDS.
>Well, why not have a story dealing with both:
 
   According the "The Worlds of Star Trek"  (or something like it),
the reason Klingons looks different from TOS to the TNG is because,
at the time of TOS, Klingons didn't want us humans to know what they
look like.  Klingons are very good at plastic surgery (or is it
genetic alteration?)  Anyway, pretty much every Klingon seen in TOS
has been "altered."   The first time Klingons ever show their true
self was in the V-Ger incident.   There.  :)
 
 
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From: schlecht@plains.NoDak.edu (Nem (Ryun) Schlecht)
Subject: Re: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:42:16 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <rawdon.724528226@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>Unless the Galaxy class were decommissioned for some reason.  For instance, if
>the Federation economy got so bad that they no longer had the money to support
>these doubtless expensive-to-maintain vessels.

It's a T.V. show.  They can do ANYTHING they want.  Who cares?

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>Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.

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From: dszpiro@student.business.uwo.ca (Daniel A. Szpiro)
Subject: Multiple ST Roles
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:01:14 GMT

Hi, 

First of all let me apologize for forgetting the names of the
characters I am about to discuss.

Did anyone else notice that the actor playing the part of the
Cardassian captor threatenting to torture Picard at the end of Chain
of Command I is the same actor who played;

	1. The Klingon general who was trying to establish peace
	   with the Federation but who was assasinated by his own
	   people in ST VI,

	2. The Federation Ambassador on the desert planet who gets
 	   brainwashed by Sybok in ST V?

Am I right about this? Thanks for your comments,

Danny


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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Keywords: Spock, Holmes
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:17:21 GMT

In article <92k2qd=@rpi.edu> ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.213647.29849@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
>>In article <8065.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>>>On 7 Dec 92 19:34:29 GMT, dkelly@bio1.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly) said:
>>>DK>What's interesting is that Spock doesn't call this an old Vulcan
>>>DK>proverb, he attributes it to "A distinguished ancestor of mine."  Now
>>>DK>the quote is from Sherlock Holmes -- an ancestor of Spock?  I guess it's
>>>DK>possible, since he is half-human.  So are we to assume that the entire
>>>DK>Holmes canon links with the Trek canon?  The mind boggles.
>>>I had assumed that Spock was referring not to Holmes, but to Conan Doyle,
>>>who might in fact be an ancestor of the Graysons.
>>I took this as a "fourth wall" joke by the scriptwriter -- in the
>>world of fiction, the logical Holmes can be seen as a literary
>>ancestor of the logical Spock.
>Sorry, the real answer is that it's a very subtle joke about Nimoy.  One of
>the roles that he was famous for on Broadway was that of Holmes.

	Well, subtle for THIS group....

	And let's not forget the SEVEN PERCENT ALL--er SOLUTION....

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