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From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Re: Need Macintosh Quadra RGB to NTSC conversion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:51:35 GMT

g_rehn@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Geoff Rehn) writes:

>In article <1992Nov20.201545.1669@serval.net.wsu.edu>, Leonard Hermens
><lhermens@eecs.wsu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to convert RGB (red-green-blue) video signals from a Quadra to
>> NTSC TV
>> standard video. I realize I can get black and white NTSC easily from the
>> Quadra built-in video, but I need wiring information or info about
>> exisiting
>> products that do this conversion. Pricing and vendor information would
>> be helpful, too.
>> 

>NeoTech ship a video encoder that will convert the Mac RGB
>to PAL, S-Video or NTSC. This is an external encoder that takes the video
>signal and converts it. May need to boot up the VRAM on the Quadra to
>around 1Mb. The down side of the NeoTech is that (in PAL at least) the 
>output is only 256 colours, despite millions on board.
>In Australia, FIRMWARE DESIGN are the suppliers, at around $A500 - 600.

>There is another box out there, newly released, but I haven't tracked it
>down yet.

RasterOps has one for about 450-500 $US.  It will run off the Quads built in
video, though I run it off a 24xltv.


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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: VideoSpigot problemfree?!?
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:45:06 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1eb4kjINNgih@morrow.stanford.edu>, ceg@nova3.stanford.edu (Chris Gronbeck) writes:
>
> I am using a Q700, 16" monitor, and video spigot as well.  It is my
> experience that video spigot only really works in millions of colors
> mode, but that I have to change to 256 color mode when I view still
> shots or videos in Aldus SuperCard.  Anyone else find this to be the case?

Nope. I have an LC with a 13" Apple RGB monitor, and even with a full complement
of VRAM its on-board video can't give me more than 256 colours. I have used
the Spigot in all modes from 1 to 8 bits per pixel, with no problems.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
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Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Is there a hypertext newsgroup?
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:11:09 GMT

johni@ee.ubc.ca (john ip) writes:

>Hi, our rn system doesn't have a hypertext newsgroup.  Is there such a 
>thing?   Thanks in advance.

alt.hypertext (not a lot of traffic, but some useful stuff).
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From: grege@chopin.asd.sgi.com (Greg Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: TV resolution?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:34:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: chopin.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Nov17.171855.1@ualr.edu>, djlewis@ualr.edu writes:

|> Truevision with their TARGA series pretty much set a defact frame grabber
|> standard early on. 512x480 is full screen and there is a lessor mode for a 
|> black box around the video. Even 512x480 offers more than NTSC resolution when
|> the capture is in 24bit colour.
|> 
|> Don
|> djlewis@ualr.edu
|> 

So, if I understand you correctly, you contend that grabbing an
NTSC signal on a 512x480 x 24-bit frame grabber "offers more than
NTSC resolution". 

How is it possible to increase the resolution of a given signal
simply by digitizing it at 24-bits (and at less than the commonly
accepted 640 x 480 resolution, at that)?

Greg Estes

Xref: sparky comp.multimedia:3397 comp.dsp:2590 comp.music:5256 comp.speech:265 comp.sys.next.programmer:7263
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (GJ)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,comp.dsp,comp.music,comp.speech,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: AT&T BBS and phone numbers
Keywords: Multimedia
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:11:02 GMT
Followup-To: comp.multimedia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Apology to AT&T VCOS BBS callers


Since last Friday I posted the AT&T phone numbvers, a lot of people all over
the world have called the VCOS BBS. I didn't know the VCOS BBS is only for VCOS
customers. Just this morning, I heard my colleague mention this. Once you
purchase VCOS you can get all those coders(speech , audio, image, etc.) from
the BBS. Nevertheless, the AT&T DSP BBS is free for anyone to get information
about AT&T multimedia products. The AT&T DSP BBS is on

     215-778-4444
7 data bit, 1 stop bit, even parity
1220/2400 bps

I'm very sorry for the mistake. If you want to know VCOS, please call the AT&T
DSP BBS instead.
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: johni@ee.ubc.ca (john ip)
Subject: Is there a hypertext newsgroup?
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:25:19 GMT

Hi, our rn system doesn't have a hypertext newsgroup.  Is there such a 
thing?   Thanks in advance.

John 
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Subject: Re: TV resolution?
Organization: a2i network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.145013.18836@irscscm.UUCP> mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall 
Lake) writes:

>Can you tell us a little bit about HDTV and when it is expected to
>arrive?

   Some people will say it has already arrived.  But there is no 'approved' 
standard.  Both Sony & Panasonic already have some HDTV gear available.  
However currently there are already two different standards.  One is SMPTE, 
which is a digital signal, with 1920 pixels by 1035 lines at a 16/9 aspect 
ratio (what you see in movie theaters/widescreen) cycling at 60Hz.  The other 
is Eureka, which is 1920 pixels by 1152 lines at a 16/9 aspect ratio, cycling 
at 50Hz.
 


 
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From: raj@phys.ksu.edu (S. Raj Chaudhury)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: Intel ann 486 with built in DVI caps
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:56:07 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu

In <52520013@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> teoallan@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Allan TEO) writes:

>Intel has announced that it will be building a 
>486 chip with built in I750 capabilities..

Could you give more details about *where* you heard this?
I have heard rumours without hard print copy...

This was the original direction DVI was supposed to take- chipset on the
mother board...

>Any Comments please..


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Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Subject: Re: Computer controlled VCRs
Organization: a2i network
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:17:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.002305.9971@research.nj.nec.com> zilla@ccrl.nj.nec.com 
(John Lewis) writes:

>The other model is the EVO-9650 ($6000) has frame-accurate recording
>and is suitable for animation.  Supposedly Quicktime will sometime support
>the VISCA control protocol for this deck.

   The dealers will like to tell you that it costs $6,000.  Actually you can 
easily find the deck for about $4,500.  That is a substantial difference.  I 
was also told that it could be directly controlled through a serial port, but 
that is second hand info.
 


 
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Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: cplai@csie.nctu.edu.tw ()
Subject: Virtual Reality
Organization: Dep. Computer Science & Engin. of Chiao Tung Univ., Taiwan, ROC
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:25:57 GMT


Hi:
   We would like to start doing research on Virtual Reality. We need any kind
of info, especially in Software, Hardware, Paper, Codes, ......
   Any info will be appreciated.

 Please reply to :cplai@ccsun5.csie.nctu.edu.tw

 Thanks in advance.

Scott
.

Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: cflds@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Don Sundheim)
Subject: projection devices
Summary: multimedia LCD or BARCO type devices for computer projection 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:32:23 GMT
Distribution: comp.multimedia
Expires: 01-15-93
Organization: Eastern Illinois University
Keywords: LCD, BARCO, projection device, multimedia, computer, video

If anyone has any good experiences (or bad ones too) with any of the
numerous projection devices, I would love to hear from you.

Many "say" they are compatible with "multimedia" and are thus capable
of 30 frames per second.  My guess is that they are still shy of video
full motion.

Other than the obvious disadvantages to going with the 3 gun projectors 
(SONY, BARCO etc), what are the ADVANTAGES?  Do they meet the speed 
necessary for multimedia and are they still brighter and clearer?

Does anyone have anything specific to say about the SAYETTE "MediaShow"
or the new BARCO 500 model?  

(let me list the Disadvantages for the 3-gun devices as I see them just
for the record:  too heavy (80 lbs. thus not too "portable")
                 too hard to set up and focus (8 hrs. some have told me)
		 too hard to change screen size or location because of above
                 too expensive to replace bulbs (>$2,000)
                 _______________ (you fill in this one)


Any advice, especially on these 2 models will be GREATLY appreciated since
we HAVE to purchase one in next month.

cflds@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
cflds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Don Sundheim
Dept. of Foreign Langs.
Eastern Illinois University
Charleston, IL  61920


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Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: zilla@ccrl.nj.nec.com (John Lewis)
Subject: broadcast desktop video
Organization: C&C Research Labs, NEC USA, Princeton, N.J.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:55:41 GMT

Macweek 11/02 ad an article describing a 30-minute public television 
show (station KCET) that was recorded and edited entirely using	 
a quicktime accelerator board and Adobe Premiere.

Is this is the first broadcast use of compressed digital video?
The article says that 30 minutes of 24bit 640x480 frames fit onto
2 2-gigabyte drives using a compression ratio of 8:1 (I calculated
something like 12:1 using these same figures).

The show is for broadcast this month and supposedly will be 
broadcast directly from the hard disk.  Sounds foolish- 
what if the machine crashes.  On the other hand, it sounds like
they spent all their money on a mac and hard drives rather than on
Betacam VTRs, so they may not have a choice.


Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: perelet@avignon.wri.com (Oleg Perelet)
Subject: request: composite output boards (RAM->NTSC)
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:26:31 GMT

I'm trying to find video output board, that can play
back images from computer (RAM->NTSC). Not simple scan converter,
but board that will let me generate something like
MPEG, JPEG (or whatewer) from computer generated images
and then produce fast composite (NTSC) output. Not 
necessary from disk, RAM is fine.
 I saw some posts about PC-Hurricane, but seems like
it works in different direction (NTSC -> RAM).
Thanx.
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: tom@alias.com (Tom Burns)
Subject: Re: New Media magazine?
Organization: Alias Research, Inc., Toronto ON Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:39:36 GMT

In <1992Nov19.094628.58853@qut.edu.au> barham@qut.edu.au writes:

>I would be very interested in finding out any info people have on the
>magazine "New Media" - I believe this magazine is free to people working

Subcription: PO Box 1771, Riverton, NJ 08077-7331
Editorial: New Media, 901 Mariner's Island Blvd., Suite 365, San Mateo
CA 94404 vox (415) 573-5170 fax (415) 573-5131
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: ***WHAT'S A VIDEO SPIGOT????
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:21:26 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov20.171403.12360@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
> In article <41224@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ma168faf@imath8.ucsd.edu (Matthew Guarnotta) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL WHAT A VIDEO SPIGOT IS AND HOW IT WORKS
>>
>> HOW MUCH DO THEY COST AND WHAT SORT OF HARDWARE DO YOU NEED??????
>>
>> DO VIDEO IMAGES 24 BIT TAKE UP A LOT OF HD SPACE....

Forgot to answer your last question: yes, 24-bit colour images certainly
can take up lots of space. That's why image compression services are such
an important part of QuickTime.

I grabbed a sequence of still images at 384*288 resolution from my Spigot,
and the PICT files were around 300K each! By using JPEG compression, I was
able to get these down to 20K or less, with only minor loss of image quality.

JPEG can't be decompressed fast enough to play back a movie, though (unless
you've got some hardware help or a really fast CPU). There are other
compression algorithms provided with QuickTime that are better suited to
compression of movies.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: Quicktime for Windows
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:42:18 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <YANDROS.92Nov16035709@deathtongue.MIT.EDU>, yandros@MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown) writes:
>
> The announcement I got (which, of course, I can no longer find. :-/)
> implied that it would only be released on one of Apple's QuickTime
> Development CD's, at, I belive just at $250.00, with a more complete
> version (presumably with much examples, etc.) available at ~$450.00.

That would be interesting. All Apple's CDs are in Macintosh HFS format, which
means you're going to have an interesting time trying to read them from a
machine running Windows. So how you're going to get the player software onto
a Windows machine?

Yeah, I know, copy them onto DOS-format floppies from a Mac running Apple
File Exchange, or DOS Mounter, or something...

I wonder how much of Windows they had to reinvent...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: TV resolution?
From: djlewis@ualr.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:18:55 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Nov17.113157.12225@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
> In article <Bxn4Jt.K2p@rahul.net>, jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov12.190043.1@mars.slu.edu> jesse@mars.slu.edu writes:
>>
>>>What is the resolution of normal NTSC TVs?
>>
>>    NTSC is an analog format with a total of 525 lines.  However only 485 lines
>> are active.  The most universal is about 648x485 pixels;
> 
> Most video digitizers I've come across seem to prefer to give you 640*480
> resolution when grabbing frames from an NTSC source. I guess they're just
> rounding it to a more convenient number. Or perhaps there's some standard
> allowance in there for overscan.
> 
>> and NTSC cycles at approximately 59.94Hz.
> 
> I heard that the original black-and-white NTSC was 60Hz, and that the frame
> rate was lowered slightly to accommodate the colour signal--probably a question
> of avoiding interference between integer multiples of different frequencies.
> 
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
> Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
> University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
> Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
Truevision with their TARGA series pretty much set a defact frame grabber
standard early on. 512x480 is full screen and there is a lessor mode for a 
black box around the video. Even 512x480 offers more than NTSC resolution when
the capture is in 24bit colour.

Don
djlewis@ualr.edu

Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: zilla@ccrl.nj.nec.com (John Lewis)
Subject: Re: MPEG for Mac?
Organization: C&C Research Labs, NEC USA, Princeton, N.J.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:46:59 GMT

I have not heard of any MPEG hardware for the mac.

R.e. the MPEG for Windows, I'm fairly sure that it's not what it seems:
this software almost certainly decompresses from disk into memory,
and then plays back from memory.  Current processors are not fast
enough to do JPEG in real time, and I don't think MPEG-1 is any
near possible either.

+ This means that this "mpeg" is limited by the total amount of memory.
Thus, the total length of the movie is limited (and some trade-off
of movie length vs resolution vs frame-rate).  It is thus
somewhat inferior to software-only quicktime, which is not
limited in length, only in size/rate.

The closest thing to real MPEG in any commerical products are the
JPEG-based Quicktime accelerators that are beginning to appear.  These
can do 640x480x24bit recording and playback at 30 frames/sec,
*at some level of quality* (possibly no better than vhs).  
SuperMac's digital film ($6000) and RasterOps MoviePak ($2000 
daughterboard) are the first two such products.

A recent MacWeek article said that one quicktime hardware accelerator
was used to produce a 1/2 hour show for public television in LA.
They claimed broadcast quality using an 8:1 compression ratio.
The show fit on 4G of disk.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: TV resolution?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:55:47 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov19.050314.26343@foretune.co.jp>, trebor@foretune.co.jp
(Robert J Woodhead) asks:
>
> exactly how is a line of resolution defined?
> Consider an alternating pattern of 640 white and dark lines (320 white,
> 320 dark) that my computer is displaying on a TV set.  I look closely and
> can see all of the white and dark lines (they don't merge).
>
> Am I seeing 640 lines of resolution, or only 320?  By the above description
> (since it says 500 lines vertical, and there are only 525 scan lines to
> begin with), I'd assume I'm seeing 640, but inquiring minds want to know.

The problem is that some people are confusing a digital measure of resolution
with an analog one.

In analog terms, an image in the form of a repeating pattern (such as those
alternating lines) translates into a waveform with a specific frequency in the
video signal. In trying to represent this waveform digitally, you need at
least two sample points for each cycle of the waveform--one for its peak, one
for its trough--in order to reconstruct it in anything approaching a
recognizable form.

Thus, in order to distinguish those 320 lines (you can treat them as either
320 white lines against a dark background, or 320 dark lines against a white
background), you need at least 640 pixels.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
And in my heart I'm thinking, lub-dub, lub-dub, lub-dub...
From: zt0@carp.cis.ufl.edu (Ziauddin Tamruddin)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Multimedia Object storage
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:38:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

This is with regard to multimedia database management systems.
I intend to develop a multiple transactional store for the storage
of multimedia objects. Basically I  would be extending an existing
object-oriented DBMS to incorporate multimedia features. The existing system
does not have a storage manager of its own, it utilises the storage
manager of a relational DBMS (ingres). Infact the system has been
interfaced to the Unix file system and EXODUS storage manager. Now my
objective is to have decomposed multimedia object handling utilising
the interfaces to the storage managers. The idea is to decompose the
multimedia object into components such as image, text  and store these
components in storages better suited to them. This kind of storage
reduces redundancies which is crucial in multimedia information
mangement 

My question is has this kind of decomposed multimedia object handling
been done before, if so could you please give any references in the
literature . I would appreciate if you could give me any suggestions
or ideas in this regard.

thanks in advance

email address zt0@reef.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: brh54@cas.org (Brooks Haderlie)
Subject: MM Windows channel names
Keywords: multimedia; windows; channels
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:19:58 GMT

For a project I'm working on, I desperately need to know the names of the (127)
instruments available in Multimedia Windows (0=Acoustic Grand Piano, 1=Bright
Acoustic Piano, etc.). I believe these are displayed by the MIDI Mapper utility.
If it's legal and kosher to send such information online, and if someone has
these in soft copy. could you please, PLEASE send them to me ASAP? You could post
them here, or you could just email them to me (brh54@cas.org).

Many, many thanks in advance!

Brooks Haderlie
Columbus OH
Standard Disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan)
Subject: anyboady using EyeQ board?
Organization: Indiana University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:43:35 GMT


      I have some information on this product and it looks very nice.  

Comparing it to information on some other video boards for the mac, it
looks like the only one that can do 30fps without having a fast
hard drive using PLV (done offline).     .  

It also includes 16 bit audio.

   Real-Time Capture and Compression from any video source.

   User-defindable Capture Settings
   
   Video in a window

   Graphics overlay

   Supports Quicktime, SMPTE and DVI


In fact they claim you can do 30fps over a network.


Has anyone used this product - is there a review around?

We would really like to be able to use interactive video in some
experiments but hate to have to drag our quadra all over the place if
 we could use a Ci or the network that would be fantastic.


So any practical pros and cons of this board.  Comparisons with
the SuperMac product, RasterOps, or Radius?


Thank you,


I would be gald to post a summary.
From: leeks@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Ki Seob Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: Is there a hypertext newsgroup?
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:17:20 GMT
Organization: KAIST in Seoul, Korea
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

johni@ee.ubc.ca (john ip) writes:
: Hi, our rn system doesn't have a hypertext newsgroup.  Is there such a 
: thing?   Thanks in advance.
: 
: John 

There is a alt.hypertext  newsgroup.
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