HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: I'm leaving, too
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:10:53 GMT

In article <9301270558.AA04488@somnet.Sandia.GOV> ckhaake@SOMNET.SANDIA.GOV (Cheryl K Haaker) writes:
   [... brevity ...]
   humor displayed.  Moreover, I hope the list recovers.  About all
   it would take would be for Dr. Carl to go on Ritalin...

 Ritalin is an Amphetamine. I know they give it to hyperactive
 children because it has the opposite effect on them but, given to an
 adult it will act as a STIMULANT.
--
 brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: sysop@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu (Shawn A. Clifford)
Subject: Re: mailboxes with DCL?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: sysop@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu
Organization: Nuclear Engineering Sciences - Univ. of Florida
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:35 EST  

In article <1joq6oINN32k@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes...
>In article <1993Jan21.032056.373@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>, ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag) writes:
>>I know, this topic has been discussed several times in the last years, but
>>I haven't saved these articles, because I wasn't interested in, and now I
>>need it:
>>
>>Some (easy, of course :-) ) examples of DCL programs handling with
>>mailboxes with normal user privs (netmbx,tmpmbx).
>>
>>What exactly I want: process-communication between a DCL-program running in
>>a detached (via run sys$system:loginout/input=...) or batch process and a
>>"user in front of his terminal".
>>
>>The user should be able to send DCL-commands via a mailbox to the
>>detached/batch program which scans, say... every 10 sec the mailbox and
>>then executes the command. It will not be necessary to return output to the
>>interactive user's terminal. (But nice, if :-) )
>>
>>example:     $ write mailbox: "@do_something"
>>or:          $ @mbox_frontend "backup d1: d2:"
>>
>>or something like that. I hope I have expressed myself clear enough - Carl,
>>don't beat me too hard ;-)
> 
>You can't create mailboxes from DCL.  You've got to write a program to create
>them (and, since you're probably restricted to creating temporary mailboxes,
>they go away, by default, at image rundown).  What you need to do is:

Not  necessarily.  If you post a read to the mailbox, the mailbox lives after
the program exits.  For an example of this, look in PUBLIC$:[DCL] at
robot.nuceng.ufl.edu for the obvious files.  One for creating the mailbox in
a high level language, one for defining the mailbox logical and buffer size
as a startup for other routines written in DCL, and a DCL comfile that makes
use of mailboxes by paging output from any other program to your screen.
Use anonymous (psuedo) ftp to 128.227.90.10.

Good luck!
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: 2 SYS disks vs. Standalone backup
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:35:33 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <C1IKw1.F75@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil>, dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) writes:
>The patient:
>  VAX 6410, 3 x 1Gb hard disks, 1 TK70.
>
>The problem:
>  Backups!  Also, no money for 9-track or 8mm...
>
>Issue:
>  Backups need to be "idiot" proof, so operations personnel can run them.
>The procedures should also be easy and reliable.  Stand-alone backup on
>TK70 is difficult/impossible to automate.
>
>Proposal:
>  Have 2 separate system disks.  The 2nd system disk would be used ONLY for
>backup of *main* system disk.  The 2nd system disk would have a "captive" 
>account "backup" for, you guessed it, backup.  The operator would boot the
>2nd system disk, logon as "backup", follow prompts for swapping TK70s needed
>to backup the *main* system disk, then re-boot the *main* system disk.
>
>Question:
>  Is proposal valid?

It's valid, but unnecessary.  You don't need to use two disks.  Just make an
account, BACKUP, on the normal system disk.  Make it CAPTIVE, and have the
procedure mount the necessary disks, and do the backups.  Then teach your
operator how to to a "MINIMUM" boot, log in as backup, then do a normal boot.
You can even automate this.  Something along the lines of:
	$ IF	F$GETSYI("STARTUP_P1")  .EQS. "MINI"
	$ THEN	MCR SYSGEN
	USE CURRENT
	SET STARTUP_P1 DEFAULT
	WRITE CURRENT
	$	{mount the disks}
	$	{do the backups}
	$	@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 1 0 1 0 1 NONE
	$ ENDIF
	$	MCR SYSGEN
	USE CURRENT
	SET STARTUP_P1 "MINI"
	WRITE CURRENT
	$	@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 1 0 1 0 1 NONE
for the captive procedure is what you're looking for.  When the operator logs
in as BACKUP, if the system's running normally, it sets it for a minimum boot
and reboots.  If the system's been booted minimum, it sets it to do a normal
boot, mounts the disks, does the backups, and reboots.

Thus, all the operator has to do is:
	1)  Log in as BACKUP;
	2)  Wait for the system to reboot;
	3)  Log in as BACKUP;
	4)  Load tapes as requested;
When the backups are done, the system reboots normally.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Postscript Printing woes...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:35:03 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com

In article 700149@sue.cc.uregina.ca, MAHENDRA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (A. Mahendra Rajah) writes:
>Hello:
>
>    I hope someone in netland can provide some insight into this
>    printing problem.
>
>    My boss retrieved some postscript files from an MVS site, which he
>    wanted me to print on our LPS20 laser printer. But, when I tried it
>    with the following command
>
>        $ Print/Notify/Queue=PRT$LPS20A_PS-
>          /Param=(Sides=2, Page_Orient=PORTTRAIT, Number_UP=1) 'Filename'
                                        ^^^^^^^^^
Did you really spell portrait that way or was this a typo in your posting?
If this isn't the problem, hopefully someone more knowledgable can help you.

---
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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   Up the long ladder and down the short rope,
   To Hell with King Billy and God bless the Pope. -- traditional
From: woody@bdrc.bd.com (Woody Muller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Moderated List????
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:46:29 GMT
Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center; RTP, N.C.

>#How sad.
>
>You may not realize it, but it _is_ sad.  Ehud has made some major technical
>contibutions to this group, and "the net" at large.  [Steve Gibbons]

Nobody is happy about losing access to a technical expert.  But one must
look at the cost of the expertise:  he tried to extract his payment from
the group in the form of indulgence of his abusive personality.  Some
non-confrontational people even thought it was worth it.  But I've never
liked bullies, whether physical or intellectual, and I think I'm not
alone in this.

>#But what about all the people *you've* chased away from this forum, Carl?
>
>How about all of the people that Carl has helped and/or steered in the right
>direction?  I think that the latter far out-weigh the former, and frankly, I
>don't care about the former.  [Steve G.]

Here we disagree.  The number of people chased away far exceeds the number
of people Carl has flamed.  A lot of good questions never got asked at all,
because potential participants saw that we had a mad dog on our hands.
And most of those answers would have come eventually from people with
less time on their hands than Carl apparently has.

>If one is "browsing" groups, then it becomse the _original poster's_
>_responsibility_ to pose whatever questions he/she may ask in a form that's
>"acceptable" to the particular audience that he/she is addressing.  When you
>ask a question of this newsgroup/mailing-list, that means that you should
>provide all relevant information.*   [Steve G.]

Knowing what's relevant and what's not is one of the things that divides
the help-givers from the help-needers.  It is not fair nor valid to expect
the questioners to know [almost] as much as the answerers before they even
ask.  And it is most certainly rude to flame them in public if they don't.

>To quote a signature that I've seen many times:
>"If you post it, they will flame..."
>Live with it.
-- 
--
woody@bdrc.bd.com
Disclaimer: I speak for myself only.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: How can I change my Username
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:41:47 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.235253.2644@merrimack.edu>, finocchiaroj@merrimack.edu writes:
>I was wondering if there is a way that I can change my username by bypassing
>the system managers protected privliages.

Yes.
>
>
BTW. Work on your spelling and grammar a little more.
--
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TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
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From: LABELLES@ZENO.MSCD.EDU (Stephen LaBelle - MSCD)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Courtesy and Civility (go by the wayside)
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:55:27 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Someone??? from USENET writes: 

!*> bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson) writes:
!*>
!*>
!*>
!*>to the "experts", you know who you are:
!*>
!*>I was wondering if you self-appointed "VMS gurus" ever did any real live,
!*> actual productive work??  Or do you just hang around on the net all day, 
!*>waiting to flame innocent information-seekers??
!*>
!*>
!*
!*No Chad, they do productive work - ALL of their time is spent on computers.
!*Jumping on ignorant or uninformed folks is just how they get their
!*substitute sexual gratification.

Dribble like the above, is what is prolonging this flame war that no one
seems to want. However people continue to provoke with postings such as the
above. We are destroying ourselves from within.

From my perspective, this group suffered a great loss!!!! Like him, hate him,
laugh at him, laugh with him, Ehud Gavron was a great resource to this group.
Ehud dropped out! We all lost!!!!

I subscribe to INFO-VAX, I deal with 100+ mail messages a day to exchange 
information with VMS experts like Ehud Gavron, Carl Lydick, Terry Poot,
Jerry Liechter and the rest.

							Steve

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From: jogl@merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: How to repeat "new Mail message" ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:25:27 GMT
Organization: Institut f. Med. Statistics @ Dokumentation
NNTP-Posting-Host: merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de


hi,
 
maybe one of you out there can help me:

all of us know the "Warning" 'You have 1 new Mail message.' after the
infos of 'Last interactive' and 'Last non-interactive login'.

because many VMS-Sysops clear the screen for a Mesage-Of-The-Day-Info,
before the User can enter DCLs at the "$" prompt, i'd like to
repeat this "Mail"-hint as the LAST Command in my LOGIN.COM.
How can i do this ?

so, in brief words:
is there a procedure like "NEW_MAIL.COM" i can call, that repeats
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the 'You have 1 new Mail message.' message ?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ANY hint is wellcome ...

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: 2 SYS disks vs. Standalone backup
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:20:19 GMT


In article <C1IKw1.F75@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil>, dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) writes:
>The patient:
>  VAX 6410, 3 x 1Gb hard disks, 1 TK70.
>
>The problem:
>  Backups!  Also, no money for 9-track or 8mm...

Not an excuse.  A single bad backup would cost more than an 8mm with SCSI.
>
>Issue:
>  Backups need to be "idiot" proof, so operations personnel can run them.
>The procedures should also be easy and reliable.  Stand-alone backup on
>TK70 is difficult/impossible to automate.
>
>Proposal:
>  Have 2 separate system disks.  The 2nd system disk would be used ONLY for
>backup of *main* system disk.  The 2nd system disk would have a "captive" 
>account "backup" for, you guessed it, backup.  The operator would boot the
>2nd system disk, logon as "backup", follow prompts for swapping TK70s needed
>to backup the *main* system disk, then re-boot the *main* system disk.
>
>Question:
>  Is proposal valid?

Changing disks can complicate things.  Better to write it down (you're only
talking about three lines form backup!) and let them boot STB.  Besides, build
the second disk cheats you out of space, and there is always the chance that
they will leave it running, whereas STB is at least annoying enough to remind
them.

Personally, I think you're trying to make a big problem to solve a little one.
IMHO, you need a decent tape drive.  The 8mm investment will payoff in a lot of
different ways.
>
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |"I wish I was dead" said Moxie.
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |"May your every wish come true" replied Spam
PADI DM-54909                     |      _Bored of the Rings_
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Mixed Fortran/C porting Unix -> VMS headache
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:59:25 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Distribution: world
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <26JAN199311174075@reg.triumf.ca>, fwj@reg.triumf.ca (JONES,FRED_W.)
writes:
>I have a large mixed Fortran/C application that has to run on
>both Unix systems and VMS.  On all the Unix systems I have used,
>the Fortran compiler adds an underscore (_) to the end of all
>global symbol names.  Thus the declarations look like, e.g.:
>...
>Unfortunately, VMS does not add the underscore suffix to the references,
>rendering this type of application fundamentally non-source-code-portable
>to VMS systems.

This type of application is fundametally non-portable, period. It just happens
that lots of unix machines do this. There is no portable way to interface 2
languages. There is no standadization at all on this, nor any attempt to provide
any.

As to suggestions: Read up on the Linker. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it
could map the names for you. Alternatively, you might be able to do something
with macro. 

Does anyone know if you can set up a transfer vector in a program that has
nothing to do with shareable images? Seems like it should work, unless it causes
the linker headaches. [Fred, I'll explain that if someone tells me it'll work.
If so, it'll solve your problem.]

You may have other problems. If any of your code passes character strings across
the language boundary, you _do_ have problems. That's another area where most
unix systems do something very different from VMS.

>One could make jackets for all the C routines, but that still leaves
>the common blocks.

Fortran common blocks map to C externs. I was under the impression that this was
the same as on unix. Check the information on psects and implementation notes in
the C compiler documentation.

>Any DEC/VMS gurus know of a more elegant solution?

Elegance is asking for a lot. You are doing something inherently non-portable.
You should be overjoyed if it can be done relatively simply, even if it turns
out to be a _major_ kludge!
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: NICK@spc11z.spc.edu (Nick Savoiu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Sending/Receiving Binary Files
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:39:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Hi there,
 
what you can do (provided that both parties run JNET 2.x or greater) is send
the files with the command:
 
        SEND/FILE/VMSDUMP <filename.ext>
 
To receive this type this at the RECEIVE> prompt:
 
 
        COPY/BINARY <filename1.ext> <filename2.ext>
 
where filename1.ext is the file in the RECEIVE directory and filename2.ext is
the name you want to have it transferred under to your directory.The default
for filename2.ext is filename1.ext.
 
Hope this helps,Nick.
From: DEREK@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: fortran/nohpo?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Two comments come to mind here.

First, after Mark's query, Steve Lionel wrote something about people
peeking into the FORTRAN CLDs.  The /[NO]HPO qualifier is documented
in *our* HELP text, but maybe that's only because we field tested
FORTRAN-HPO.  Can anyone out there confirm/refute this?

Second, Bob Marshall (marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:

>... In many cases they are compiling on a uniprocessor system in our
>system which has no vector processor, anyway.
> 
>So, there's at least one situation where the /NOHPO switch makes sense,
>even when the FORTRAN-HPO compiler is available.

I think that this is wrong, but Steve might correct me.  There are
*other* benefits which can be gained by using the HPO compiler.  As I
understand things, it does a much better job of code optimization.
Also, at least here, vector code is NOT generated unless you explicitly
ASK for it via the /VECTOR qualifier.

HOWEVER, a co-worker refuses to use the HPO compiler because, in the
early field test, we ran into a couple of bugs is the code generator.
(These have been fixed, btw.)  The worst problem he had, however, was
the COMMON block alignment issue.  He didn't want to change all of the
MACRO code, nor did he want to change the build procedures.

As for the alignment, depending upon your processor access to non-aligned
data may be significantly slower than access to aligned data.

-Derek S. Haining
 University Computing Services
 University of Washington
 Seattle, Washington  98195 
 (206) 543-5579

 DEREK@MAX.BITNET
 DEREK@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
From: gleeve@galaxy.dnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Reading Gnu CD
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:54:05 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Given that there have been many unix filesystems (even some that used
all contiguous files {like RT11}) that are completely incompatible,
I would suggest it is possible the Gnu CD is not a native unix 
file system. More likely, I would expect they would have cut an
ISO 9660 CD, which CAN be read on VMS. You need to find F11CD
(on the Sept. and most later ConDists) and install it; it was
initially a separate saveset in the Infoserver directory and needs
no extra license. Later VMS versions have this built in. You use
a command something like
$ cd_mount/media=cdrom device: vol-label
to mount a CD. Works like a champ on my VAX.

   For interest, if you have a gnu CD and they DO use a unix
filesystem, which dothey use?
Glenn
Everhart@raxco.com
From: finocchiaroj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: How can I change my Username
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:52:53 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

I was wondering if there is a way that I can change my username by bypassing
the system managers protected privliages.
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: Yet another VAX C problem
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:32:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: uu3.9301261255.AA28785
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	[Responding to all the people who told him that his previous report
	of VAX C generating 10 instructions for an integer divide, Mr. Dick
	finally gets the message and posts some real code:]

	void test(unsigned int *ip)
	{
	   *ip = (*ip + 511) / 512;
	}

	In VAX C 3.2, it generates:


                                          0000	test:
                                    000C  0000		.entry	test,^m<r2,r3>
                              5E 04 C2    0002		subl2	#4,sp

                           53 04 AC D0    0005		movl	4(ap),r3
                  52 63 000001FF 8F C1    0009		addl3	#511,(r3),r2
                                 51 D4    0011		clrl	r1
                              50 52 D0    0013		movl	r2,r0
                     52 00000200 8F D0    0016		movl	#512,r2
                                 09 18    001D		bgeq	vcg.1
                              50 52 D1    001F		cmpl	r2,r0
                                 09 1A    0022		bgtru	vcg.2
                                 51 D6    0024		incl	r1
                                 05 11    0026		brb	vcg.2
                                          0028	vcg.1:
                        50 51 50 52 7B    0028		ediv	r2,r0,r1,r0
                                          002D	vcg.2:
                              63 51 D0    002D		movl	r1,(r3)

                                    04    0030		ret	
	Why is the question?

Because it's the correct code (gives the right answers), whereas doing a DIVL
would NOT be the correct code (would give the wrong answers).

DIVL does SIGNED integer division.  *ip is an UNSIGNED integer.  If you don't
understand the difference, and what effect it has on correct code generation,
don't waste your time looking at generated code.

(Admittedly the "unsigned divide" template is being applied VERY stupidly and
blindly.)
							-- Jerry
From: rm55+@pitt.edu (Rudolph T Maceyko)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS/POSIX: how much diskspace required ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

VMS_POSIX takes up just under 10,000 blocks on my sytem.

I remember the installation procedure wanting 40,000 blocks during
the installation process, and 20,000 for VMS_POSIX to remain.

Rudy


-- 

Rudy Maceyko <rm55+@pitt.edu>                     University of Pittsburgh/CIS