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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's Library
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:44:12 GMT
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>> How about the rest of Sonic Disruptors?
> 
> ...Uh, Jim.... you really *want* to see this?
> 
> I'm sure it's there in Lucien's library but I find it hard to believe 
> that anyone would read it voluntarily....

	Hey, I wouldn't mind reading it either.  I liked it; it was goofy
fun.
	(Further proof that Elizabeth and I can't agree on much of 
anything :-)
-- 
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beginning to believe it."--Clarence Darrow                                     
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wither IRONWOOD?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 06:54:00 GMT
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Mark A Biggar (mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com) wrote:
:>The rumor I heard (from the usual unreliable source a comic store clerk) is
:>that Willingham had a falling out with the Eros(fantagraphics) people over
:>content (too much plot, not enough sex :-)) and will now be self publishing
:>with distribution by mail subscription only.  I personally won't believe it
:>until I see it in CBG.
:>
With that "not enough sex" line...
   What do people (readers of Adult Comics) think? Are stories like
Ironwood and Strips not as good as, oh Timewankers because of the stronger
plotlines and less sex? 

   I know that my own personal opinion is that I've found Ironwood,
Strips, Omaha, and the like to be my favorite Adult Comics over the "Sex
from page one to the end" stories.


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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH: Whose froth this is I think I know (was Re: DC: misc stuff)
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:12:00 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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	Look!  I'm not frothing!  No, really!

jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar) writes:
> 	I hope that after the Legionnaires series gets started, the writers
> will leave the corny old-Legion type stuff in that book and keep the LSH
> series as wacky as it used to be.

	You got a weird definition of "wacky", Chuck.  Less'n you're
expanding the style of the Tenzil issues to the whole series, which ain't
true.

> If only they'd return to the level of
> writing they had reached in the first 12 or so issues and stop trying to
> throw too much stuff in, and stop trying to write down to the old Legion 
> fans.  (IMO, of course)

     Well, there's a difference between writing down, and writing well.
I claim that most of v4 has been badly written, not that it was written at
a level I can't comprehend.
-- 
"I'm not afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens."        
--Woody Allen                                                                  
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Is IMAGE worth reading?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:18:06 GMT

jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle):
>>I haven't read any of the Image titles yet.  Are there any worth picking up?

>Wildcats (Jim Lee's book) isn't...a total waste... Savage Dragon is the best
>of the bunch: it's got decent writing, believable text and plots, and good 
>artwork.  Supreme is alright, but it's nothing special.

"Not a total waste" and "alright but...nothing special" translate to
not worth picking up.  So the question is whether you meant that Savage
Dragon is or isn't worth reading.  (How strong a recommendation is 'decent'?)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: [Gold Key] Kona info request
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:37:45 EST
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I'm looking for any information beyond what is in the Overstreet guide
about the series Kona from Gold Key (early 60's book). Basically, just
*who* was the writer? Any other interesting tidbits?

Thanks in advance,
Marshall
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:45:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.145533.18942@cc.umontreal.ca>, royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes...
> 
>You're sure? Don't you remember X-Force Annual #1? In there, we get to see 
>Douglock, wich is probably a guess that he would come back later.

	BZZZZT! Sorry, that occurs in the _future_, and it's already out of sync
with current continuity. Sunspot was supposed to have joined _after_ X-Force
took down Gideon, for example. And Cable was supposed to have led the group
into Longshot's dimension (but he's "dead" now... just like Magneto). I wouldn't
count that annual as canon yet.

	Joe Delisle

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #165
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:28:05 GMT

jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar):
>BUT, the Sandman parody is going to get
>old very quickly if Dave Sim doesn't do something new with it. 

I don't think this is a fair criticism.  The parody has been going on
for one issue (only a couple of scenes within a complex issue, at that)
plus the last page of the previous issue.  If you're saying that it
*will* get old if he *does* overdo it -- well, that applies to anything.

>I can't comment on Dani Zweig's comments on Aardvark Comment, because I
>can't read AC.  It gets me too annoyed,...

AC comes in two flavors -- thoughtful letters and infantile psychodramas
with the latter too often predominating.  Still, there's enough good
stuff that it's worth scanning through the verbal masturbation for it.
In #165, I advise you to read the analysis letter.  It's easy to identify
because it's over two pages long.

On another subject, I noticed that the Pigt warrior also has a
no-strings-attached necklace.  Is their manufacture a barbarian secret?

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
	--Internal documentation, programmer unknown
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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:20:19 GMT

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

> >>Death:  A three-issue miniseries.  Don't miss this.  The art is
> >>attractive, if crowded, the scripting is pure Gaiman, and Death
> >>is acting in character.  
> >I think the woman (?) killing the pigeon is Mad Hettie a la John
> >Constantine.  I think she wants to die or to kill Death.  Looks good.
> Yes, that's Mad Hettie, and the boy is someone Death met in a garbage
> dump.  The first panel with her refers to the cover story someone else
> gave Sexton.  Incidentally, the coloring on this one really impresses
> me.  It brings back the pale, but not chalky, complexion from her
> first appearance.

It is Mad Hettie.  The reason she's lived so long is because she hid her 
heart where Death couldn't find it.  Problem is, she can't remember where 
she hid it either.  So she wants to track down Death so that she can help 
her find her heart ... so she can hide it again.


                                        - Sasha

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Comics Journal editor trashes Sandman!
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 07:45:23 EST

lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

> I tend to enjoy the Comics Journal. My reading enjoyment, however, might be 
> dependent on my unwillingness to read the editorial contents.
> 

Ah, yes.  The comics fanzine for people who don't *like* comics.  

Your story about Gaiman and the Comics Journal is good enough to be true 
and should be true if it isn't.

Namaste,
Elizabeth



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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Look for the Limey on the label (was: What if...)
Organization: Jellied Eel and Little Squids of the Poor
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:40:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.070315.22673@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>In <1iero9INNdsa@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>>	According to rumors, spread by
>>Neil G. himself that Marvel was ready to make a Sandman-ish comic, with
>>a real Brit writer and stuff...
>
>Which brings up the subject: supplies of authentic British comix writers
>(or, at least, scribes from the U.K.) must be getting a bit strained,
>particularly after all those Vertigo titles were concieved.  Just not enough
>to go around, and DC had to make do with grisly substitutes at points (e.g.,
>Ann Nocenti (sp?)).  Next thing you know, they'll be a controlled substance,
>or be escorted by U.N. forces.

My favorite description of the British Invasion was a friend who summed up
the DC and Marvel UK stuff by saying, "DC got the equivalent of Monty Python 
and Marvel wound up with Benny Hill. The frightening thing is that both
companies are happy with what they got." 
 
I suppose their down to about the Two Ronnies equivalents now.

>Well, I'm set at any rate; all my friends are anglophiles.

I wonder if the British have the equivalent of anglophiles? I know some are
big on bad American lager beer and US football. I seem to recall the Kids
from Fame went to the top of the Pop charts in the early 80s. I picture all
these British readers clamoring for the latest DeFalco opus and commenting
at the deft touches and subtle insights in the latest Punisher book.

It could happen!

----------------------------
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   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shows that the kids just aren't interested in
 Unsalted X-Peanuts: The   |  peanuts. Unless you can come up with some mutant
   Death of Dark Peanix    |  powers, we're going to have to cancel the title."
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:55:50 GMT
Subject: Re: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Glenn Carnagey) writes:

> evolution, you'll need it.  But this is the wrong newsgroup for any of
> this, no wonder PAD hates us :^).

He can't possibly hate you.  You pay his bills.

I wonder what the moral consequences of an "artist" having 
contempt for his audience might be...

doug
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:38:37 GMT
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In article <lewandow.726685315@cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:
>In <73246@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>
>>You always have to proceed with extremely caution when it comes to profanity
>>at Marvel.  Which is why I get a kick out of some of the younger readers
>>actually incorporating "shock" into their vocabulary as something they can
>>say around their parents, and it means nothing to the parents and something
>>to the kid...so everybody's happy.
>
>Yes, I'm sure my mother and father have no idea that my brother is now
>cussing a blue streak around them.  I hadn't really noticed the word
>in Spider-man 2099 until after he started saying 'shock' at every
>opportunity.
>
Well, this answers the question of where the word "shock" came from to develop
into an obscenity.  It's not from "Future Shock" at all, but rather from a 
bizarre subculture of comic book readers, who drove the word into general usage
in the 1990's, whereupon the word spread to millions of non-comic-reading 
minors who sought a way to curse under the nose of their families without having
to submit to the "Lava" treatment.

:)

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Wither IRONWOOD?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:29:16 EST

cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:

> having sex in a comic. Ironwood, Strips, and Omaha have characterization, 
> moderate to excellent writing, and good plots, which is more than one can say
> for most mainstream books either.

Right.  It isn't good *because* there's sex in it, it's good *and* 
there's sex there.  Not gratuitous sex, either.

> 
> And XXXenophile is just funny. (And I'm a Foglio fanboy, I'd read his stuff i
> he was illustrating Liefeld's writing. :> )

What a thought.  Yes, XXXenophile is very funny and I can't get it in 
Ottawa.  Grumble.

> 
> You know, I was just thinking, is claiming that you read Omaha because you li
> the characters/writing/plot similar to claiming that you read Playboy for the
> articles? :)
> 
Probably.  Doesn't make it any less true... or false.  :-)

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Subject: Re: Is IMAGE worth reading?
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:38:47 GMT

In article <gipper.1-070193202551@hesmac22.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu> gipper.1@nd.edu (The Gipper) writes:
>I haven't read any of the Image titles yet.  Are there any worth picking
>up?  I refuse to read anythng written by McFarlane.
>
Well, IMHO, if you don't read Spawn, you'll be missing the best art and story
printed by Image. The other stories are so-so, and Youngblood sucks.



-- 
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	"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant;
	 the population is growing."
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Harvey does Ultraman (recommended!)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:52:29 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > >Where the new series falls flat is because it was filmed in Austra
 > >with a notably caucasian cast, so it lacks that "goofy" factor of 
 > >70's ULTRAMAN and ULTRA SEVEN series, or of GODZILLA movies. 
 > 
 > Heeeeey!!!!!!   What's wrong with being filmed in Australia,
 > matey! We'd find it pretty goofy here ("Hey, I liked that shop
 > they just *trashed*!")
 
Nahh, no landmarks get trashed.  They tromp around in the Outback some,
though.  The problem is, it detracts from the atmosphere that was
present in the earlier series.  It seems like the producers wanted to
cut back on the "camp" that was really the main selling point of the
show in the 'States.  They don't seem to realize that we don't WANT a
more polished, American-like ULTRAMAN.  And, on the one hand we have
pretty sophisticated sets, model hi-tech planes, and very dramatic
music, a dramatic-voiced narrator... and then we have ultraman fighting
rubber monsters that are only marginally better than the old ones.  It
just doesn't seem to work.
 
Anyway, on the earlier question of who we should get to write the
Ultraman comic book.... I vote Michael T. Gilbert, of MR. MONSTER fame!
I bet he could write an epic, campy story for Ulty...

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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:15:43 GMT

Ronald Reagon hired Jon Sable to stop his own assasination in Jon 
Sable Freelance #1.  Bush, Gorbachev, and the President of Japan 
appeared in the second Shado 4-parter in the Green Arrow monthly 
series.
 
Bush also had a long talk with Ollie in GA #39.
 
Stephen Legge
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valiant Issues
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:58:21 EST
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 Re: Valiant 0's (namely X-O and Bloodshot) & TPB

 There was some mention from Diamond that the 0's will be like the
Image 0's, available for normal order from your local distributor and
not part of the tpb. Of course, Valiant might change their mind
as they often have.

 I like having the tpb. It gets a chance for people to start off
without having to pay the megabucks that the early issue command
these days. And the tpb of Harbinger and the Solar 10 reprint have
not effected the prices of the original books in any way around
here (New England).

Marshall
mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: The Truth about Neil (was: Re: Another Gaiman short story)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:44:50 GMT

mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:


>I don't know if this has been said before, but one of his early (pre-comic?)
>works was a guide to the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' (the Douglas Adams
>books) which described their evolution from radio play to book to TV series.

Didn't he also do _Duran DUran: The Fab Four_?

If he did, I would understand why he wouldn't admit it....
I know I heard it someplace tho.....

LJC
-- 
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Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless, donations accepted......
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wither IRONWOOD?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:22:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1ij8e8INN12f@access.usask.ca> vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan) writes:

>With that "not enough sex" line...
>   What do people (readers of Adult Comics) think? Are stories like
>Ironwood and Strips not as good as, oh Timewankers because of the stronger
>plotlines and less sex? 

I love Ironwood, Omaha, and Strips (augh! He quit writing it in the middle of
the story!) because they have great stories, good art, and believable
(for the story) sex. I've never read Timewankers, and probably won't, 
because comics that are all sex are boring.

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: misc stuff
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:16:15 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan) writes:
> Swamp Thing: Y'know, in the (relatively) short time I've had access to
> this group, I've been amazed by how many people run down Collins' work on
> this title.
> I was wondering if it is simply a vocal group here that don't like ST, or
> if it is really the majority. I'm not flaming or raising doubts, I'm just
> genuinely curious.

	I don't flame ST like I do LSH, but I dropped the title after a
half-dozen or so of Collin's issues.  Dull writing, and the promise of the
series going off in uninteresting directions.
	You should have heard what people said about Wheeler!  "Dull" was
about the nicest opinion you could have heard.
-- 
"I'm not afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens."        
--Woody Allen                                                                  
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:01:39 GMT

Also, unless Rick was collecting castoffs before the Big One, the war has to 
have already happened, or be happening really soon.  Look at the various 
memorabilia: Nova's Helmet, Thor's gear, etc.  Alot of these things are due to 
change any day now.  In Thor's case, we can simply figure the DeFalco stuff got
fixed before the war (Mjolinor isn't triangular, fer example).  And Hawkeye can
always change back to the archer ID before the War.  But there are still so 
many things unlikely to remain the same for long enough to be collectibles.  In
fact, I'd almost have to say that FI takes place before #400 of Hulk, and is 
prevented from ever occuring.
     Of course, it could be a validation of a time-travel theory I have 
regarding the Many Worlds theory: if time is constantly branching, the path you
travel down in time machines will be the "simplest".  Inertia will rule, and 
the traveler finds himself in a future where things have changed very little.  
For example, even the most fashion-fickle characters in the DC Universe had the
same costumes in 2001 as they do now, with only a very few exceptions, even 
though many have already changed since the A2001 Annuals came out.  That is 
also why these futures are so easy to avert...all it takes is an effort to take
a harder path and things will change.  This theory is very well suited to 
merchanizing, since you can have recognizable costumes on all your future 
heroes. }->
     Dave Van Domelen, Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil....