From: garrett@Ingres.COM (MMMMM...ESSENCE OF GELFLING)
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
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Date: 22 Dec 92 21:13:58 GMT

In article <BzM8u5.JM3@unix.amherst.edu>, pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu (PAUL D CHAPIN)    writes...
>Jyrki Kuoppala (jkp@cs.HUT.FI) wrote:
>: I hear reports of kids trained to inform to the officials about their
>: parents.
> 
>That's plan silly.

No it's not. What do you think having classes for children too young to
think for themselves, and teaching them to fink on their parents is called?
>: 
>: I hear reports of proposed legislation to required every telephone or
>: other communication network operator be required to build taps for the
>: Government on all equipment.
>: 
>Tapping a phone is not that difficult.  It can be done anywhere.  This country
>requires a court order in all but a few extreme cases.

You're missing the point. This is an invasion of privacy.
> 
>: I hear reports of U.S. government hitting on a ship on international
>: waters for transporting a drug illegal in USA, while the ship was not
>: coming from USA, was not going to USA, and had no anything else to do
>: with USA.
> 
>Hitting on?  That's what guys do to women at single's bars.  I suspect a
>translation problem here. I haven't heard
>of any serious complaints about U.S. activities in international waters.

The perhaps you have forgotten the Iranian airliner we shot down in the
80's.
>: 
>: I hear reports of U.S. military invading Panama to get Noriega, in
>: violation of international treaties and all concepts of jurisdictions.
>: 
>I believe the justification of the invasion was that Panama was systematically
>violating the Canal treaty and that US personnel, legally in Panama by the 
>treaty, were coming under a program of physical attack. As I understand it, the
>US was well within its rights under international law, to defend its interests
>and its people from the treaty violation.  Noriega also stated 
>that Panama and the US were at war.  This was all before the arrival of US 
>troops. He just didn't expect us to take him up on it. Picking up Noriege on 
>drug charges was just an extra bonus.

An you fell for that bull? First of all, Panama never violated the treaty.
Secondly, the report of U.S. personnel being under physical attack was
bogus. The events never happened. They were made up to justify the attack.
Finally, a year a half before we invaded Panama, the Panamanian government
was claiming (rightly) that the U.S. was planning on invading their country.
This was back in the summer of 88'. His reason was because the U.S. had just
shipped 5,000 body bags to the Canal.
> 
>: I hear reports of a war being declared and fought in USA - a war
>: against "drugs", with the Bill of Rights being the major casualty.
>: 
>Bullshit.  The Bill of Rights is alive and well.  There are individual
>cases of overzealous enforcement, but the courts usually strike them down.

You don't know what you are talking about.
> 
>: I see the U.S. vice president saying "No I don't know that atheists
>: should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered
>: patriots. This is one nation under God."  This during his campaign,
>: and he is later elected president.
> 
>A comment almost no one here ever heard of.  He is also about to become
>a former President.

I heard of it. Maybe you should listen more.
>: 
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