HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Crime Stories
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:13:59 GMT

Heck, that's nothing. I knew this girl who got a new
bike, fastened it to a street light, and when she returned,
the street light had been knocked down and the bike was gone.
Also,everything has to be securely fastened. Either wheel will be stolen,
the bike seat, the bike lock, etc.

Even some of the students here are thieves. During the um,
scavenger hunt sponsored by some student organization or whatever,
students stole just about everything; signs off of buses,
road signs from Pennsylvania, farm equipment, military equipment, etc.

I remember me and about six other guys dragging a 35 foot yacht behind us
down a Hyde Park Street(lit. manpower) for the stupid event, only to
find some people got points for submitting a toy boat with 35 little
foot prints. Of course, our house, Broadview, had won the last two hunts
by a wide margin, so the judging committee was pretty strict on our
submissions at the time. We ended up losing to a massive coalition
of some group called the 'Model UN' or something.

				John
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: April Fool
Date: 24 Nov 1992 06:03:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes:

>Ya'll need to come up to Florida.  We can take off after 10 minutes of
>absence of the prof.

What?  IS attendance required?

keith

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Some Real Folklore
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:23:49 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

Do you think that college Deans and Presidents have the
power to cover up certain "unfavorable" incidents that
happen on campus?  

While I attended the University of North Dakota, I never
once heard of a student who committed suicide.  This 
seems strange since there are 11,000 students at UND and
I attended 5 years.  

I began to think that the university was keeping the news
out of the papers and off of the TV somehow, but don't have
any real proof.

Does anybody know the suicide rates for the 18-24 age group?

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| Systems Programmer     |  my brain IBM"                           |
| IBM - Rochester, MN    |              -- STYX,  "Mr. Roboto"      |
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Opinions expressed are mine, not IBM's.
From: jacobs@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: OMAR's bio : Jive version
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:09:07 PST
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <1992Nov15.030927.15283@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Seventh Circuit Bound) writes:
> In article <009639C7.91990C40@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2b98pronovic@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>In reply to a rewrite of Omar's bio, Ted Frank writes:
>>
>>>Not bad.  The charming fellows at RHIT seem to have moved from open 
>>>ridicule of someone different from them to good old-fashioned racial
>>>stereotypes.  I guess we're learning the real reason everyone picks on
>>>Omar.
>>
>>	Aw, lighten up.
>>
>>    | M     M  U     U  |            Kenneth J. Pronovici         |
> 
> I'm sure you'd be very amused if someone posted your resume, rewritten
> complete with the Italian stereotypes of a funny accent (wassa matta, you?),
> greasy hair, pasta, tacky outfits, and ties to the mafia.

Well now, the law student seems to be upset by people having fun at dear old
Omar's expense. But let's see Ted, have you ever made fun of anyone, gotten
together with a bunch of classmates and exagerrated about an instructor that
you all couldn't stand? Don't fib now, they guy upstairs is watching.

As far as I can tell, these guys haven't done anything malichious, so chill out
dude, because, like wow, having my bio, like typed in ethnic slang, like would
be like so bogus dude, like it would be a total bummer, like disaster city
dude, like I couldn't handle it, what would the babes think, like gag city!

Let me guess dude, your're like studying to like be a lawyer like for the ACLU
like write? 


Get a life dude!

 
> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
> standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
-- 



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Karl Jacobs jacobs@cerritos.edu       Born Again Christian, Nikon owner
				      and Raider fan, how ironic!!! :)
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Folklore I remember
Keywords: X-Halls, serial killers, stupid freshmen
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:41:16 GMT


	I'm *very* new to this newsgroup, so I don't know if this has been
discussed before--if it has, sorry to have brought it up again.

	When I was a freshman, I remember a story that ran rampant in the
all-women's dorm I lived (and still live) in.  A few days before Holloween,
the whole dorm (or at least every freshman woman) heard that a friend of a
friend was cutting class the day before and was watching Donahue when they saw
the story of a Holloween serial killer.  Apparently, 25 years before, he had
murdered a woman living in an X shaped hall (of which there are only a few in
the US--one of which is Meredith Hall at Purdue).  Her roommate had come home
late the night before, to find all the lights out and her roommate asleep on thebed.  Being a considerate roommate, she got ready for bed and went to sleep all
without turning on a light.  The  only weird thing was there was this dripping
sound--but that could have been the radiator just making noise.

	In the morning, of course, she found her roommate stabbed and mutilated
on the bed, with "Aren't you glad you didn't turn on the light?" written in
blood on the wall.  The man was found and sent to jail, but was being paroled.
He had vowed to kill another woman in an X-Hall, and since Purdue has one of thefew, it was a pretty good chance he'd end up here.

	This story made the rounds of the freshmen classes quickly, and I'm    
convinced I'm one of the few who didn't believe it.  On Holloween, when the killer was supposed to strike, at least 50 women refused to spend the night in 
Meredith.  I know of three who were sleeping on the floor of friend's room in
my dorm--which was across the street from the infamous Meredith.

	I also seem to remember a story about a man with AIDS and a Spring    
Break fling that also made the rounds that year.

	Does every college have these tall tales?  What are the ones from 
different schools like?

Christine
		I don't patronize bunny rabbits.
			--Heathers

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: OMAR's bio : Jive version
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
	<1e55pdINNbvp@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
	<1992Nov15.163526.6672@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:22:39 GMT


In article <1992Nov15.163526.6672@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

[...]

> I challenge *anyone* who doesn't believe me or doesn't find the post offensive
> to repost the "Jive" version to soc.culture.african.american.  Put your money
> where your mouth is.  I'm sure the African Americans will find all the lines
> about pink cadillacs and jive extraordinarily funny, don't you?

	Ummm, although I didn't think that the "Jive" version (or the
original for that matter) was very funny, you can't really blame the
poster entirely for it being racist.  I'm sure he had a jive filter
that he grabbed by anonymous ftp from somewhere off the net, and ran
the plan file through it.  The stereotypes are more likely the fault
of the person who wrote the filter.
	As for the entire thing, regardless of the ego of this Omar
person, I will have to agree with Ted in some points.  Is it really
equitable to ridicule someone in front of hundreds of people behind
that person's back (as far as _I_ can tell)?  Would you like it if,
for instance, I started posting in news.admin.misc about this user at
rhit who keeps ridiculing another student at his school over the net,
and then turned it into a big joke?  At least let the boy rebut
anything negative you say about him to the whole crowd, or lay off.

	Of course these are all my opinions -- forgive me if you don't
like them.



--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Andrew Weiskopf)
Subject: Prank In the Works?
Reply-To: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:31:15 GMT

Idea came to me last week:

Here at Brandeis, in our new athletic center (home of Boston Celtics training
facilities...), they installed a giant elevator- I assume, to move heavy
sound or sports equipment for concerts/games.

Anyways, this elevator is roughly 16ft x 16ft x 12ft- larger than my single
accomodations in the senior apartments, or Mods. 

A roommate's bed would fit just perfectly... and a desk... and a dresser...
It comes with its own telephone, and the only thing it lacks is electrical
outlets.

It's quite well-lit too!

Adam, wanna pull this one on Pete?

-Andy Weiskopf
 ST891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,alt.folklore.urban,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: Re: lemurs!
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:55:06 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <zlsiida.448@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.155819.27393@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr) writes:
>
>
>>ObLemur: Lemurs are secretly controlling the minds of alt.folklore.urban
>>and alt.folklore.college readers, forcing them to insert the word "lemur"
>>into the keywords line of their posts.
>
>Go to your nearest zoo.  Stand in front of the lemurs.  Juggle.
>They will be fascinated by this action, but it's a waste of time trying to 
>teach them how to do it.  The big cats quite like it as well, but they're 
>not so impressed when you drop.


However, my cats seem to have been watching me carefully.  I have seen them
on their hind legs trying to operate doorknobs.

My cats have been banished from the cellar, as I keep coal down there, and
they like to use it as a litter box.  One day, one of my cats was standing
next to the cellar door howling.  I asked her what she wanted, and she stood
on her hind legs, patted my hand and then patted the door knob on the cellar
door.  She then repeated the action.

So I went and had a beer.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: What Omar told me.
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:11:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


>In article <1eb4avINN3b2@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU ("I'm not a racist because Eddie Murphy tells jokes about black people"
>Daemon) writes:
>>Omar told me that he thought Ted Frank was a dick.
>>He said that he had a mind to stuff you mailbox with hate-mail.

>In case one, sure, he tells Daemon that he thinks I'm a dick.  Ask me
>if I care what anyone at a third-rate all-male engineering college in 

>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 

I don't know you...and I already don't like your attitude
No offense, but at least Omar and Co. will be
doing something productive with their lives..
Making a contribution to society
That is assuming that since you go to a Fourth rate
law school you will become a lawyer...all you
can hope for is at least ruining peoples lives,
or at best...being a lawyer...hmmmmm, don't see a
difference...


-- 
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Timothy James McInerney 
tmcinern@feds26.Prime.com    "I wanna decide who lives 
norbert@wpi.wpi.edu           and who dies"  - Crow
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: I could've figured this would happen
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:57:09 GMT


It is with great hesitancy that I get involved in this flamewar, but one of
Ted's comments really struck a nerve in me.

Ted, you said that you "don't care." (towards the end of your posting
regarding your non-association with Omar).  You didn't explain or clarify this
remark.

Quite frankly, I think it would be a lot better if you and other people KNEW
when to care and when not to.  It seems to me, Ted, that you make frequent
remarks online that are intended for argument sake, rather than for
elucidation or true, sincere persuasion.  If you don't, with your heart, CARE
about racism, or about Omar's feelings, or about the feelings of fraternity
and sorority members, than you may wish to reconsider the tone and placement
of your public postings.  It often appears that you are simply converting the 
real problems of racism AND the real problems of fraternities into legal 
arguments for the sake of a "challenge," and I for one am truly saddened by
this approach.

Ted, you are not changing minds, you are instead creating hard feelings.  Just
because you see yourself as attacking or belittling others whom you hold in
contempt does not justify your harsh tone and bitter words.

I share some of your concerns about fraternities, even though I am IN a
fraternity.  I share your frustration over racism and bigotry, even though I
realize that my own views may be at times tainted with less than pure and
brotherly thoughts.  I admit that I am not perfect... though I work to
postively shape my character, and the lives of those around me.

Proselytizing on the net is not the answer, nor is chastising, name calling,
or flaming.  Real progress is made among consenting, mature people who share
common goals.  It is not achieved by badgering, by demanding an eye for an
eye, nor presentation of proofs in any form.

This newsgroup specifically is a place for fun, humor, mystery, and
storytelling.  I do not condone the recent Omar postings, nor do I condone the
responses to these postings, or the alleged actions of racism or their
responses.

Instead, I urge all of us to:
1) Return this group to its original intent
2) Avoid escalating flame wars publicly

I realize that I am being mildly hypocritical by adding yet another
off-topic post to this newsgroup, but I have felt compelled to jot down my
thoughts here, and offer what may be considered a public note to Ted.

I welcome e-mail thoughts.  I discourage e-mail flames.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK from Northwestern University
From: sym@aber.ac.uk (Stuart McIntyre)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: OMAR's bio : Jive version
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:12:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article   writes:
>ster.cs.rose-hulman.edu!news
>
>	[Yet another "lets-pick-on-Omar article deleted]
>
>Okay, so I was bored :)

And sad.

Cant you guys leave the poor fellow alone; I know that in isolation the
odd prank or dig is harmless; but this is getting out of hand.

Why do you pick on him? Is it because, like racists and other bigots,
you single out a person (group, religion etc) to attack to bring
yourselves together against a common "enemy"?

Who cares if he has a personality you think funny?  Thats no reason to
attack him EVERY SINGLE DAY (as I see in this group. He deserved it?
So did the Jews in Nazi germany and the blacks in slavery.

I do not want our news network to become a something that alienates anyone.
I though people in all countries talking would maybe have the opposite
effect.

I nerly mailed the proposal for the group alt.fan.omar to the appropriate
postmaster complaining at the abuse of the network; the next time I see
an offencive article, I may well do so.

Please grow up and have fun!

-- 
                  Stuart McIntyre    sym@uk.ac.aber

        B e   e x c e l l e n t   t o   e a c h   o t h e r
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: res_ewv@exodus.valpo.edu
Subject: Re: I could've figured this would happen
Organization: Valparaiso University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:23:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: exodus.valpo.edu
Summary: A repost of my original article directed at Ted Frank
Reply-To: res_ewv@exodus.valpo.edu
X-Posted-From: exodus.valpo.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1eb21uINN38k@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Daemeon) writes:
> 	Someone from University of Chicago emailed Omar and told him to read
> this group.  REAL nice thing to do to someone on finals week.

I've been reading this Omar-bashers bashing and not quite knowing what to
think, but I find myself in complete agreement with Daemon here.  Whether or
not Omar is arrogant and a pain in the ass; whether or not these are racist
attacks (I would have to say probably not); and whether or not these are
malicious postings; the most malicious thing I could think of would be to
inform Omar about this.  "Omar, look!  Here are a bunch of people who hate your
guts! Don't you feel just great now?"  (Not that these students at RHIT hate
Omar, I wouldn't/couldn't know, but the point remains.)

To whoever did this:

This was a real dick move.  Sure, you may have slammed Daemon and his buddies,
but think of yourself receiving an e-mail message saying "Read this newsgroup
and you will see exactly what other people think of you."  Of course you can
now read a.f.c and find this out, but the difference is that anyone who rips on
you knows you will read it.

Think of how Omar must feel?  I hope you are proud of yourself.

> 	Again, The jive filter is NOT racist.  I am not a racist.  If I find
> Omar funny and others do then so be it.
>
> 	It is unfortunate that Mr.Frank stereotyped Rose students as racists.
> Some, in defense, felt compelled to tell the real reasons for not liking
> Omar.  It is unfortunate that some person with MOCK-sensitivity, who acted
> under the pretense of helping the O-man, was the person who gave him the most
> pain.  It is unfortunate that some university of chicago law school dick made
> an issue where there was none.

Lawyers are often stereotyped as heartless bastards.  I think in this case, this
is probably true.

PS:  Sorry to all who get 2 or 3 nearly identical copies of this posting.  I
retracted it twice now to remove references to Ted Frank.

                              Eric W. Vaandering
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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: OMAR's bio : Jive version
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:14:43 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <1992Nov15.163526.6672@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1e55pdINNbvp@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> serranrj@k9.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J. Serrano) writes:
>>Gee, Mr. Something-up-your-butt, if you had ever actually bothered to read what
>>has been posted about Omar, you will notice, that he is not black
>>(African-American).  He is, by heritage, Pakistani, which is on the South Asian
>>Continent (you know, with India and Afghanistan).
>
>And if you bothered to read the post I'm complaining about, you'd see that
>it's full of anti-black racist stereotypes.  Complain to the RHIT bozos who
>can't tell the difference between all of those non-whites.
>
>I challenge *anyone* who doesn't believe me or doesn't find the post offensive
>to repost the "Jive" version to soc.culture.african.american.  Put your money
>where your mouth is.  I'm sure the African Americans will find all the lines
>about pink cadillacs and jive extraordinarily funny, don't you?
>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

Why, that's funny, Frank, but YOU were the one who posted it! In fact, I never
saw the Jive version until you entered this discussion! So are you some
sort of instigator or what? 

And since he is Pakistani, what the hell does anti-black racism have to do
with a damn thing? You obviously are a crank poster who gets off on creating
issues and flamewars where none exist. 

Judging by the responses on this net, Frank, it looks as if you don't
have many supporters, so just accept it gracefully, OK? You
don't impress us by your lack of knowledge of OMAR. How long have you read
this group anyway? 

You seem to be rather arrogant in your presumption that you could
possibly know more about someone you've never met than his roomates.

LONG LIVE ALT.FAN.OMAR!!!!!!


Chris
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From: henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Daemeon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Omar: a recap of events
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:45:53 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: henrydm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

>
>Interesting point of view.  So long as you don't mean to hurt anyone's
>feelings, you can make all the racist jokes you want?  Am I understanding
>you correctly here?
>
         

	Excuse me, but what is your definition of a racist joke?  Eddie Murphy

makes fun of white people.  Some white people make fun of black people.  Some

comedians make fun of orientals, jews, etc. etc.  It is humor.  It is not 

a way for those comedians to subvert anyone or hurt anyone's feelings or make

them out to be inferior.  The jive filter changes a text file to jive.  Simply

that and nothing more.  There is not a crime in that.  I suggest that some of

the more upset/inflamed parties on the net go and watch a couple of hours of

stand-ups and decide if these people are saying that other races are inferior

to their own.  A racist joke is a joke that portrays another race as being

inferior.  A joke that portrays another race as being different is not racist.

If you don't agree then we have a difference of opinion.  There is nothing more

to say.  I am not a racist.  I do not offer any proof that I am not a racist

but I simply state it as truth.  


	BTW, I didn't post the jived version and wasn't even present when it 

was posted.  I find myself defending the poster.

							-Daemeon
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