HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: alt.flame.gigantic.sigs
Subject: Re: Is this group dead?
From: dignan@husc9.harvard.edu (Thomas Dignan)
Date: 27 Sep 92 07:34:18 GMT

david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) writes:

>In article <m!8nv=h.linley@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>>Is this group dead or merely in a temporary coma?
>>Anyway, here's my vote for a gigantic sig:

>[gigantic sig deleted]

>Not big enough, it fits on one screen.  Especially on a UNIX workstation.
>Try for something with at least 100 lines.
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	Who needs unimaginative sigis. My sig is lee. You R Petain. Can't you
se the sink. It is full of it all with spoinach and eggplant. Who cares
if you don't belong because here is noone anyway.


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Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re:  Bill Redacted:
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:25:00 GMT

In article <BvGv9q.GGD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (null pointer) writes:
>In article <moron-documentary> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>>>
>>>Matamoros, apocere, anencephaly, and the Temple of Psychick Youth.
>>>
>>>Tie these four things together and what do you get?
>>>
>>
>>       Hey, he said it, not me...
>>
>
>That's because you could pronounce [let alone comprehend] three
                         ^
    ..... perhaps he means NOT ??

>of the four items listed.  Someone has to speak coherently, Dan.
> > >
>Don't you have LOGO homework to do?
                ^^^^
    ..... perhaps he means LEGO?

> > > > > >
>Matthew Neill Sharp
>matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu

>>-|>
what previous post?
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker)
Subject: Re: brain/intelligence
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:35:51 GMT


v125p7c5@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna) writes:


>	The size of the brain has a great deal to do with the intelligence
>capacity of a person.  This is true and proven through science, so please don't
>flame me about this.
>	The point where the person who posted the fact of black having smaller
>brains is also true.  This also is proven through science, so please don't
>flame me about this either.
>	Now before all of you go off the handle on the last 2 statements let me
>finish.  The statements are true.  Notice the word capacity.  This does not
>mean that any one is at there capacity.  
>	No one in history has used 100% of there capacity.  So the capacity of
>the brain is not an indication of the actual intelligence.

Do you do this sort of thing on purpose?

                          -rocker

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs)
Subject: Re: Sex ed in schools?
Originator: hshubs@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:08:12 GMT

bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:


>From: hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs)
>>Gee Barry, why don't you say what you mean?  I say, subtlety is for those who
>>wish to risk being misunderstood.  <grin>

>I'm coming from alt.flame, AKA net.rollerball.

oic...  I'll remove "alt.sex" from the newsgroups list, then.
-- 
Howard S Shubs      hshubs@eff.org            I don't represent the EFF,
The Denim Adept     hshubs@denim.bcs.org      but I do agree with them.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: steregram "drugs"?
In-reply-to: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu's message of 29 Sep 92 19:08:13 GMT
Organization: pubs
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:45:15 CDT

Kirk Membry writes:

   I'm doing some research for my art thesis project and was wondering if 
   there is any information on stereograms and the use as an alternative
   for mind stimulation (ie:alternatives to drugs) to give effects of
   'tripping' or other such sensations.

Also look into "surround" movies, such as those shown at some science
museums.  Unfortunately, these theaters sometimes show films meant for a
very different kind of projection, known as I-MAX (flat but huge), like
the one at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum.  With a good film meant
for this purpose, dome-shaped theaters are very effective.  The trick is
adding 3D to dome projection (as well as simply raising the quality of
dome projection).  The virtual-reality people are trying something
similar (3D and surround) with goggles but I'm not sure how good their
image quality is.  I'd like to see reports from the front lines of these
efforts.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com

Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: test
Followup-To: alt.config
Keywords: test
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.160252.26907@eng.ufl.edu> ruck@zeta.ee.ufl.edu (John R Ruckstuhl Jr) writes:

>No.  If someone would just create alt.0test, all sites that
>automatically honor new newsgroups will be inoculated.

Would "0" be the proper character to use in that position, or are
there other legal characters for newsgroup names that occur lower in
the ASCII table?  Perhaps something like alt.-.test?  (On the other
hand, we all know the problems involved in having a hyphen for a file
name ...)  I'll be happy to create the group if the consensus is that
it would be a good idea, if people are willing to set up
auto-responders for it, and so on.

Followups to alt.config.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: alt.3d,rec.video
From: malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak)
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Keywords: 3D video HDTV high definition television standard standards
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.083427.4846@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>One proposal I had heard of for HDTV is that it would always be too
>complicated for household use, but since its resolution (something like
>1,025 lines I think) is comparable to 35mm movie film, it could be used
>to replace film in the movie industry.

My understanding is that 35mm has about 1.5 to 2 times the resolution,
on each axis, as HDTV.  Thus the Japanese have already begun work on
UDTV (ultra-definition television) to match 35mm resolution.

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: gkm@cc.uow.edu.au (Glen K Moore)
Subject: 3d Screens for computer displays
Summary: I am looking for info on a 3d screen which fits to the front of a compu
Keywords: 3d
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:31:40 GMT



I have been told that a system was displayed at a conference in September to
produce 3d images that could be viewed by several people simultaneously using
circularly polarised glasses rather than switched glasses.

I am looking for a good 3d demo for a science centre and this seems a good
solution. Does anyone know who produces this system or can comment on a better
(affordable) one? The only other info that I have is that the computer was
a Mac.

Glen Moore
Director, Science Centre, Wollongong (AUSTR.) fax:61-42-213151
gkm@cc.uow.edu.au
From: "rafael ramirez" <rafael.ramirez@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: 3d video?
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:38:29 EST
Reply-To: "rafael ramirez" <rafael.ramirez@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) wrote:

>This is purely hypothetical, but is a 3-D video camcorder possilbe with
>exitsting technology??  I do amatuer video work and 3-D video is an interst
>prospect for the future.

I know of a comercial "attempt":  the (infamous) Toshiba 3D camcoder,
which from what I know (not certain) takes alternating views over its
two lenses on a VHS-C, and then plays them back as alternating fields on
the TV, sincronizing the output with the frequency at which a pair of
glasses fitted with LCD shutter become transparent/opaque, alternating
the left and the right eye.

I haven't seem the Toshiba, but my complains probably would be:  flicker
and resolution (half of a VHS image, 1 field, displays some 320x240
effective pixels).

I'm about to try this:  ordered a (Pentax) beam-splitter, which takes
two views at about the separation of the human eyes (65 mm) and "brings
both views together" to be "fed" though the usual 35 mm camare lense
(and that of my Hi-8 camcoder).  The recorded result, two side by side
views, each taking 1/2 of the screen, sort-of "splitting" the screen
vertically in two.

Now, I hope to be able to one of the two:
-Playback the stereo pair through my LCD video projector (hopefully)
though the beam splitter, placing two opposited-polarised filters, one
at each end of the splitter and projecting the image onto a metallic
screen.  Viewing should (fingers cross) work by fitting the audience
with appropiatedly polarized glasses.

-Just use a "splitted-slides" viewer gadget (usually "supplied" with the
beam splitter), but instead of a slide I will place a small hi-res
(relatively speacking) LCD color television.  This method, besides being
1 person at the time only, losses in resolution and general enjoyment.

Now, IF ANYONE would make and market an attachment that, when screwed on
my video camera's lense would take two views separated adjustably
between 6mm and 10mm (whisful thinking:), allow for small convergence
setting (more whisful thinking:), obtain the views from an anamorphic
lense, so that "wide screen" shotting is possible, since we are going to
loose half the width on the other view anyway (TONS of whisfull
thinking), and then allow for playback+polarizing trick doing the
reverse procedure with a LCD video-projector, what can I say? Here are
my $1,500, now where can I get it?

I'm going to contact a couple of houses that specialize in custom lense
work for the movie industries.  See what the say.  If anybody has
done this or has more info, PLEASE ..... (let me know)

 * SLMR 2.1a * Rafael.Ramirez@channel1.com from SPAIN! (A.K.A. RRC)
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: PCVR - Issue 5
From: gradecki@rodeo.uwyo.edu (Joseph D. Gradecki)
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:58:18 MST
Distribution: alt.3d,world
Organization: University of Wyoming


                                
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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: <None>
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:12:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Does anyone know of any games or animation files (.fli, flc) for the
pc (386 or 486) that take advantrage of cross-eyed viewing to view
3-d stuff?
 - Kirk
Newsgroups: alt.3d,rec.video
From: gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold)
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Keywords: 3D video HDTV high definition television standard holograph
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:55:08 GMT

I notice from Adam Mirowski's response that I made a typographical error
in my second HDTV proposal message.  In the line below, with the leading
!!! NTSC2 should read HDTV2.  My mistake.  My apologies.  And my thanks to Mr. Mirowski for
drawing my attention to it.

|> 50 frames per second?  How about 60?  Easier on the eyes.
   For smooth motion perception, human vision gets along nicely with 24 frames
   per second.  I offer as evidence, the last 35mm motion picture you saw at a
   movie theater.  For flicker-free viewing, human vision requires AT LEAST 45
   flashes per second.  That is one reason NTSC displays only 30 frames/second
   by painting 60 interlaced fields/second.  I hereby change my proposal that
!!!the frame rate for NTSC2 be dropped to 25 noninterlaced frames/second and
   that the receiver's display be required to have a full-frame store and that
   it display each frame at least twice and preferrable thrice.  How do people
   like the idea of cutting the bandwidth in half at the cost of 3Megabytes of
   memory?  3Meg costs $75 retail today.  In large quantities in 1995, that
   would be $15 for HDTV2.  6Megabytes for HDTV3 will cost $1 in 2000 A.D.
   60Mb for HDTVH in 2010 will cost one penny.  If HDTV2 costs $1500 in 1995,
   then this feature will be 1% of its cost and bandwidth will be cut in half
   for all broadcasts for the lifetime of the HDTV standard.  In 2000, if
   HDTV3 costs $3000 (remember inflation) it will be 0.003% of total cost;
   essentially free.  Bandwidth will continue to be cut in half and human
   vision, remaining constant, will continue to be satisfied.

-- 
				Bruce Gold
				   Utah
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Re: NEW 3-D Camera????
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:18:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.172107.24394@javelin.sim.es.com> gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.172503.9411@versyss.com>, Keith Doyle) writes:
>
>|> I would think some kind of jig with a couple of mirrors/beamsplitters and
>|> red/green filters could be constructed that could do red-green 3D video with
>|> any home camera.
>
>About a year ago, I saw a little blurb in some magazine about red-green splitter
>for some 35mm SLR.  Seems like it was a Nikon.  The resulting color images have
>slight color halos along the edges of the photographic subjects than, when viewed
>through red-green (red-blue?) glasses provided stereoscopic depth queues.  Someone
>posted an image of Stonehenge on alt.3d within the last month that seems to have
>been made with this equipment.
>
>In short, Keith Doyle's idea can be demonstrated correct.
>-- 
>				Bruce Gold
>				   Utah

It's possible that you are thinking of the Vivitar Q-DOS lens.  It is a 
quality 70-210 zoom lens with one difference.  It has a switch on the side
that pulls two filters into line within the lens such that a red/blue
analgraphic stereo image is produced.

mike

--
Mike
watters@genetics.washington.edu
Dept of Genetics, Univ of Washington  Seattle
(d) 206-543-1934   (e) 206-361-1156 
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: habrams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Howard Abrams)
Subject: programing 3d.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 06:15:05 GMT


 hello.. I am new to 3d and I was wondering exatly how to goa
       about writing a 3d program. currently I am writing one
       (the red-blue kind) for a real time 3d game on an SGI-vgxt/310
       and came apon this problem.:
 
         when setting up two eye points, my first thought is that
     one eye should be set just off to the side of the other (just
     like human eyes)but where should they point? should they be
     aimed at the same point in space, and if so, how far from 
     the eye points produces a good effect?

     any help on this matter would be helpful.

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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Puget Sound Stereo Camera Club meeting
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:09:46 GMT

Date:          3 Oct 1992                                          
Time:          12:15 to 3:00
Place:         Auburn Library
               808 9th St SE
	       Auburn, Washington

Anyone and Everyone who can be in the area is welcome to come to chat about
stereo.  There will be a stereo program by Paul Milliken on how to do stereo
with an SLR.  We will also be having an intra-club competition so bring
some slides.  

mike

--
Mike
watters@genetics.washington.edu
Dept of Genetics, Univ of Washington  Seattle
(d) 206-543-1934   (e) 206-361-1156
From: marrou@cs.ucf.edu (Lance R. Marrou)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: test
Keywords: test
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:22:02 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida

mdr@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (Doc Chaos) writes:

>arnold@cowan.edu.au (A.DELAVIGNE) writes:

>>Hi. Did this work?????

>Mebbe the name of this group should be changed so that it doesn't
>appear as the first group when newbies try news for the first time.
>Then twats like the above (and plenty others) will post their tests
>in alt.activism instead.
>--
>I really like the jacket but the sleeves are much too long. - Lemmy

I agree.  Perhaps alt.three-d.
--
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   Work   - Marrou@IST.UCF.edu
   School - Marrou@Eola.cs.UCF.edu
From: dondd@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Don Dillon)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: Puget Sound Stereo Camera Club meeting
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:59:19 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)

How about everybody chipping in here so we can compile a list of stereo
3d clubs for the faq list (soon to be a best seller;).  I personally know
of no clubs in the Sonoma County/ northern California area, but would love
to go to any if they exit.

How about it people.  This would be really usefull.


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From: arnold@cowan.edu.au (A.DELAVIGNE)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: test
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:11:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: scorpion.ac.cowan.edu.au
Summary: test
Keywords: test

Hi. Did this work?????

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: steregram "drugs"?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:50:42 GMT

In article <BvMv5w.56q@max.physics.sunysb.edu>, mmoss@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Matthew D Moss) writes:
|> 
|> Well, we're getting close. One thing I heard about was, rather than using two
|> mini LCD screens for 3-d viewing, they can shoot a couple of lasers directly
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> against the retina, creating much much better resolution.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sure, but who are you going get to be the first to test this?  Not I!

Anyway, what's all this about LCD?  If you want drugs, whip out some LSD!
                                                                      

:-) :-)

===========================================================================
Timothy Klein                 I wish I had a kryptonite cross.  Then I
timk@meaddata.com             could keep both Dracula AND Superman away.
...!uunet!meaddata!timk                               -- Jack Handey
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: 3d Screens for computer displays
Keywords: 3d
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:43:57 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Sep29.233140.22059@cc.uow.edu.au> gkm@cc.uow.edu.au (Glen K Moore) writes:
>
>
>I have been told that a system was displayed at a conference in September to
>produce 3d images that could be viewed by several people simultaneously using
>circularly polarised glasses rather than switched glasses.
>
>I am looking for a good 3d demo for a science centre and this seems a good
>solution. Does anyone know who produces this system or can comment on a better
>(affordable) one? The only other info that I have is that the computer was
>a Mac.
>

If it's on a Mac it is most likely the CAChE (Computer Aided Chemical
Engineering) system from Tektronix.  It is one of several Tektronix
products that use a switched LCD panel over the display 
instead of switched LCD glasses so that many people can
view it at once.

They are available on Macs, IBMs, hi-res Tek monitors, and kits to put on
your own display.



      Rick   Wilson             Rick Wilson       Cross-eyed STEREO
      --------------           --------------
     |       O      |         |      O       |
     |    O         |         |     O        |    rick@sable.pen.tek.com
     |              |         |              |    Tektronix
     \    _     O   |         |\    _  O     |    Beaverton, Orygun
     |\  /      _   |         | \  /   _     |
     | \/   \  /    |         |  \/\  /      | 
      --------------           --------------      
Newsgroups: alt.3d,rec.video
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Keywords: 3D video HDTV high definition television standard standards
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:34:27 GMT


One proposal I had heard of for HDTV is that it would always be too
complicated for household use, but since its resolution (something like
1,025 lines I think) is comparable to 35mm movie film, it could be used
to replace film in the movie industry.  If so, this would greatly reduce
the costs of both production (videotape being cheaper than film) and
distribution to theatres (via a special satelite channel perhaps, or at
least on laserdiscs, still better than truckloads of bulky film cans).
Theorectically, theatres could be retrofitted with HDTV projection equipment.

Simon
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: jew5001@venus.tamu.edu (WILLIAMSON, JOHN EDWARD)
Subject: stereo programs in C
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:01:00 GMT

Work has forced me to dust off my C compiler again.  I saw at least
two quasi-random dot stereogram programs using ascii character sets
in this newsgroup in the last few months.  

Can someone email or repost them for me so I can have some fun with
my C compiler?

John

Newsgroups: alt.3d