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Subject: VAX question
From: dwagoner@matrix.cs.wright.edu
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:50:03 EDT
Organization: Wright State University College of Engineering and Computer Science
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Can anyone explain the difference between P0 and P1 space on a VAX?
Text and initialized data segments (on BSD 4.3, at least) wind up 
in P0 space; unitialized data (i.e. stack) is  placed in P1 space.
The two regions are accessed using different base registers; P1 is
a bit tricky to work with in comparison to P0.

Explanations to this ignorant layman are appreciated...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: sharpe@adodem.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: VAX 4000/100 info sought
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:43:09 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.204648.17740@newssun.med.miami.edu>, pikarsky@maniac.med.miami.edu (Nick Pikarsky) writes...
>We are considering the purchase of either a MicroVax 3100/90 or
>a VAX 4000/100. They are both rated at 24VUP and have a max memory of
>128 MB, the major difference that I can see is the addition of one 
>DSSI to the VAX 4000/100. The problem we have with the 3100/90 is that
>I cannot hang enough disk on it for our needs, along with the tape and 
>cd-rom we also need.
> 
>The 4000/100 claims to be able to address 28Gb
>of disk storage, with the rf73's (2Gb drive) that would only give you
>14Gb. It has a SCSI for internal tape and cd-rom, so my question is 
>how do we get the extra disk on the unit??   Is the SCSI available
>outside the box? Do I need to get the optional q-bus? One article I
>read indicated that the max disk was based on having a KFQSA in
>addition, what does all this mean???
> 
>Thanks in advance to anyone who might have an answer to these few
>questions as so far I have not been able to get an answer from my
>local sales force..
> 
>	nick pikarsky
>	pikarsky@maniac.med.miami.edu
> 
> 
This is just a guess, but add the TC addapter and a TC SCSI controller, and 
then you get another 7 SCSI IDs and some more storage ...

Don't know what version of VMS you need though, but perhaps AJ can say.

Regards
Richard Sharpe
These opinions be mine, Digital has its own!
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:4128 comp.org.decus:737 biz.dec.workstations:24 biz.dec.ip:3
From: kgnome@concour.cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,biz.dec.workstations,biz.dec.ip
Subject: Decserver 300 & Telnet Listener
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:15:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

Hello Folks!

We, Newfoundland Offshore Contractors, are in a bind concerning our
Decserver 300s and I'd like to know if anyone of you have any simmilar
experience.

As you may know, the Decserver 300 software has been updated to include
support for Telnet and all the related attributes. The software revision
we have is BL34-C2, which I'm assured by DEC is the latest.

Our problem is as follows. We have set up each Decserver 300 to have a
port as Telnet listener. This listener is port 2001, logically. The port
is set for "remote" and we have a printer connected to it.

Now, we have a new Data General Aviion box sending it's print jobs using
'lp' through the network, using the "termprinter" definitions that are
set for a Telnet Port 2001. The Decserver's ip address is define
properlly in the '/etc/hosts' file.

Ok, it prints... but we experience 2 distinct problems, and we think the
Decserver or the network connection in general may be the cause, because
these problems cannot be duplicated when a printer is connected directly
to the DG's parallel port.

 Problems :
		1. Printer times out for 5 minutes on average between 
		   jobs. Never quite stable pattern for size, etc ..

		Remark: The Decserver 300 Internet count show a sharp
			increase in "dropped" connections during this
			pseudo "timeout". At the same time, the port
			is idle and not XOFfed.

		2. Printer receives a spurious <CR> character at the 
		   beginning of each job. This is important, because
		   we have an "intelligent" check-printing box that
		   looses count and VOIDS everything.

		Remark: The checkprinter also suffers from (1.)

Now, I know that a DG isn't a DEC box, but I had hopped that it wouldn't
matter, since 'lp' is also used by Ultrix. So, if anyone out there uses
a Decstation 5000 or any other Unix box, especially a DG, with a
Decserver 300 for printing using 'lp' or any Telnet Listener
configuration, please send me E-mail.

Thank You all.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: eric@telebit.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Copyrights
Organization: Telebit Corporation
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:19:59

>>On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:53:50 GMT, wilsonj@vccsouth06.its.rpi.edu (John Wilson) said:
> DEC has given official permission to xerox out-of-print
> software documentation -- see the introduction to the
> Software Products Directory.  Whom do you call about getting
> permission for copying hardware doc's?  I keep having this problem...

Does the hardware contain any EPROMs, PROMs, ROMs, micros w/ on board ROM,
etc.?

If so, then the documentation on it IS software documentation :-)

Cheers,
Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: ecldco@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.C. Loyd)
Subject: Re: reading E-net address on DecStation 3100
Originator: ecldco@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:41:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.235653.19344@socrates.umd.edu> steves@socrates.umd.edu (Steven Sonnenberg) writes:
>Could anyone provide a code snipet that reads the ethernet
>address (hardware) on a Decstation 3100?
>
>Thanks.
>
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Well, you can always reboot the machine and watch the configuration display.
This will tell you the Ether address.  Another option is to go into NCP
and do a SHOW LINE CHAR (assuming you're running DECnet under Ultrix).

There are other ways.  These are the easiest.

-Eric

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From: dfilip@colornet.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: VAX 4000/100 configuration information
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:59:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Summary: Need some questions answered on 4000/100 devices

We had a bunch of 4200's on back order, and our sales-weenie is trying to
convince us to buy 4100's instead. Can someone please confirm :

	- Does the 4000-100 support BOTH SCSI and DSSI ?

	- If DSSI support is included, then how many devices are
	  suppored with the base configuration (i.e., does it support
	  two (2) strings (14 devices) like the 4500's, or only one (1)
	  string (7 devices)

	- Is the TF85 supported ? or just SCSI tape ?

	- How many drive bays are included ? (if DSSI, how many RF72/73's)

	- What is the minimum (yet unreleased) version of VMS required
	  (I have heard both 5.5-2 and 5.5-3)

I believe the answer to the first question is 'yes, both are supported',
however I find this a bit odd. I want to make sure we are NOT going to get
stuck with SCSI (read NOT-DSSI) disks.

Our sales-weenie is going to get me some information, but currently I have
only seen high-level slides. I am interested in getting the 'right' answers
ASAP so that if there are any potential configuration problems, I can bring
them to light before our managing partner signs the deal.

Thanks in advance,

Dave.

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From: dormitze@vssad.enet.dec.com (Paul Dormitzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VAX question (P0/P1 space)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: dormitze@vssad.enet.dec.com (Paul Dormitzer)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1397@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, dormitze@vssad.enet.dec.com (Paul Dormitzer) writes:

|>same way.  VAXELN uses an interesting partition of the three available
|>address spaces.  S0 is shared by all jobs in the system, P1 is shared by all
|>processes in a job (but not between jobs), and P0 is private to each process.
|>
|>Paul
|>

Oops, I got P0 and P1 backwards.  P0 is shared between processes in a job and P1
is private to each process.

Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Subject: ALPHA Workstations
Keywords: ALPHA workstations
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:00:22 GMT

Hi folks,

This is my first posting here, so bear with me if I sound ignorant.
I have a question about the availability of the ALPHA worksations
for end users.  Three months ago, I heard from various people, including
my DEC sales reps, that the workstations will be available by July 15.
Then when the day rolled around, I was told that its release has been
delayed by about 3 months.  All this time, I've been waiting to order
one of these highly advertised systems, but I can't because someone at
DEC will not release them.  Then recently I heard that one of our labs
is getting a loaner, for FREE!  Now, I wonder why DEC is willing to
loan one out to someone else in my organization, while they won't
sell one to me, when I ready and willing to PAY for it?

Then there is a question of how informed or coordinated the DEC sales
reps are.  While my official reps are telling me that I can't buy one
for another 3 months, a rep from CalTech told me that they are available
NOW, and DEC's plan is to get so many thousands of them out by the end
os September.  So I press them on this point, and ask them why it is
that I can't order one yet, and how can they hope to get that many out
by the end of September when they won't even release them until the end
of October?  The answer?  No, they haven't actually taken orders for any
yet, nor do any of their customers have any yet, but they'll check back
with me on the actual release date.  Funny thing is, they work in the
same office as my reps.

Som does anyone out there know of anybody (besides 3rd party S/W
developers) who have these things, running?  How did they get it?
How can I get it?  I HAVE to order one by the end of September, or
my funding goes away.  And it won't be carried over to the next FY.
Any DEC people reading this?  I might have to go with a SUN or HP
if I can't get an ALPHA system!

eyc
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.pdp-11
From: sspatter@netcom.com (Samuel Scott Patterson)
Subject: Drive Controller.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:05:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

'lo all!

     Just one question today...  Can anyone tell me what an ACD
drive is!?!?!?  I have an ACD Drive controller for my 11/34a
but alas, no harddrives at all.  Is there any use for this thing?
It appears to use more pins than a SCSI.
						-Scott

Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
From: jon@socrates.umd.edu (Jonathan Kruger)
Subject: When does DEC's OSF come out for VAXen?
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:36:32 GMT

We have a VAX 6510.  Right now it's running VMS, but we were thinking
about running UNIX on it.  We've heard conflicting reports about
whether OSF will run on a VAX 6500 series or not.  Does anyone have
any solid information on any of the following:

1.  Will DEC's OSF run ona VAX 6510?

2.  If so, when does the first cut ship?

3.  How long after that will the first usable (non-bug-ridden) version ship?

Thanks for any info!
-- 
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look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
From: jpt@salama.fno.dec.com (Jari Tavi)
Subject: Re: When does DEC's OSF come out for VAXen?
Reply-To: jpt@salama.fno.dec.com (Jari Tavi)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:41:10 GMT


--In article <1992Jul28.011150.2837@decuac.dec.com>, mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "will do TCP/IP for food" Ranum) writes:

|> 	ULTRIX will continue to run and be supported for VAXen, and will
|> interoperate, with OSF/1 &c. So it's not like you need to convert them to
|> boat-anchors.

Also there will be an upgrade policy for VAXen to Alpha architecture, and
OSF/1 will be supported on Alpha...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Subject: Re: Info on third party suppliers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:42:57



In article <1992Jul23.202140.16289@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ecldco@ultb.isc.rit.edu 
(E.C. Loyd) writes:

>> I'm looking for information on a subscription to a trade rag that I don't
>> know the name of.  Basically, it's a giant advertisement for third party
>> vendors of DEC equipment comparable to what Computer Shopper is for PC
>> vendors.  If anyone has any info on such a beast (soneone once told me 
>> it goes for about a $100.00 per year subscription), please drop me a line.

>> -Eric

Eric,

  While I'm afraid that I don't know the trade rag you are describing, there
is a free listing of third party hardware for DEC available in the TRI/ADD
Shippable Products Catalog. It is available by anonymous ftp from

gatekeeper.pa.dec.com		16.1.0.2

gatekeeper:pub/DEC/TriAdd/TAcatalog.ps  


The new version of the catalog just went up on line on Friday afternoon (we
update it monthly) and is in standard postscript format. There is a compressed
version as well. 

I hope that this helps.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Can you use a track ball with a VS4000?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:36:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: thendara.AJC.92Jul28103642
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <1992Jul28.113355.2892@memstvx1.memst.edu> flowers@memstvx1.memst.
edu (Harry Flowers) writes:


>> A user that just got a VAXstation 4000-60 would like to use a track ball
>> instead of the corporate mouse (he hates mice).  However, the connections
>> for the track balls aren't the same as the 7-pin DEC connector.  So, does
>> DEC sell a track ball, or preferably an adaptor for other Logitech devices?
>> --
>> Harry Flowers                           Internet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
>> Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1

Harry,

  There are several Trackballs listed in the TRI/ADD Shippable Products catalog
and at least one of them has a "mouse port" connector (according to the vendor
description). You'd need to call the vendor and ask them which systems they
support (I'm not sure about the VS4000/60). You can make an anonymous ftp copy
of the catalog from

gatekeeper	16.1.0.2	gatekeeper:pub/DEC/TriAdd/TAcatalog.ps
				gatekeeper:pub/DEC/TriAdd/TAcatalog.ps.Z

I hope that this helps.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Zen and bad Karma with running an EXE in a .com
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:16:51 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Jul23.152903.1601@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, perry@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> The program (a .EXE) is menu driven giving you options, then more menus
> with more options.  To go one back (pop up one menu, or exit), you hit the
> CTRL-Z key.  I cannot find the magic to make ctrl-z as important as it is
> when in interactive mode.
> 
> You think ^Z is the same in either, right?  So did I.  But then explain why
> the F10 key is the same as ^Z, when they are completely different keys (meaning
> they send different sequences back to the vax) BTW- neither CTRL-Z or F10
> seems to mean  EXIT in batch.

  No, a ^Z from a terminal is translated to End Of File and that info is re-
turned to the application. If your VMS terminal type is set to one the models
that has an F10 key, the terminal driver maps F10 to EOF (note - not to ^Z).

  There isn't an easy way to supply multiple EOF's to a program via a .COM
file (a single one is easy, you generate it when the next input line in the
.COM file starts with a $).

  You probably want to investigate the PTY (pseudo-terminal) services in re-
cent VMS versions (5.4 and up, I think). This will let you run the program
on a pseudo-terminal, which you can control the input/output for.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: koz@starbird.WPI.EDU (Bernard Jo Kozioziemski)
Subject: Re: Dec Alpha (maybe)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:21:38 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: tch@kepler.unh.edu (Travis C Hayes)
Subject: VAXstation questions...
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:54:30 GMT

I pulled an old VAXstation I case out of the dumpster yesterday and I
wondered if anyone knows anything about these machines. I got 4 boards
with it (don't know if they work): 2 4M memory boards (150ns yuck!),
and a set of 2 boards linked with a 50 pin flat ribbon cable (I'd love
to know what this is, there's a prominent flat chip on it that just says
SEEQ).

I'd appreciate anything that people can tell me about these machines.
I'll probably turn the case and PS into a (huge) hard drive chassis but
I'd still love to know what I'm missing out on... :)

Travis C. Hayes
Univ. of New Hampshire
Research Computing Center
tch@unh.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: sharpe@adodem.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: CX Board questions
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:37:53 GMT


In article <1992Jul21.010225.9313@colorado.edu>, devin@gandalf.colorado.edu (Sonja Orlavski) writes...
>In article <1992Jul17.225909.17520@MITL.COM>, lemke@MITL.COM (Kennedy Lemke) writes:
>|> 	(2) How do I build a new kernel that understands the CX board?
>|> 	    I know how to make kernels--but do I, for example, need to
>|> 	    reinstall the OS with the new graphics board installed?  Or
>|> 	    can I just add something that I haven't already tried to
>|> 	    the kernel config file (I've already tried "cfb" and "pm")?
> 
>Software wise:
> 
>What you need is not a new kernal, it's a new X server.
> 
>The PX board uses /usr/bin/Xtm2d, and the CX uses /usr/bin/Xws.
> 
>The installation software looks at what kind of board you have, and loads
>the appropriate X server, so I'll bet that you don't have Xws installed.
>Either steal it off of another non-PX DEC, or re-install that portion of
>the software (CORE X11?).
>Then, edit /etc/ttys to use /usr/bin/Xws instead of /usr/bin/Xtm2d.
> 
>			-Devin
> 
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Devin,

with respect, since 4.2A, I believe that the following is the situation:


   RISC                                                               Xws(8X)

   Name
     Xws - 2D X server for RISC machines

   Syntax
     Xws [ options ]

   Description

     The Xws command starts the X server.  The Xws command supports the fol-
     lowing hardware configurations:

     DECstation 3100 Single Screen Color Workstations
     DECstation 3100 Single Screen Monochrome Workstations
     DECstation 5000 Series Single Screen 2D Color Workstations
     DECstation 5000 Series Single Screen Monochrome Workstations
     DECstation 5000 Series Multiscreen 2D Color Workstations
     DECstation 5000 Series Multiscreen Monochrome Workstations

Taken from the man pages for Xws. A 2D Color (Colour) Workstation is a PX or HX
based machine.

Regards
Richard Sharpe
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