HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aburto@nosc.mil (Alfred A. Aburto)
Subject: nsieve.c results for Sun SPARCstation 10 
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: comp.benchmarks 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:19:24 GMT

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Here are some Sun SPARCstation 10 Model 30 and Model 41 nsieve.c results:

Array Size:     8,191 Bytes ---- generally yields the High MIPS Rating.
Array Size: 2,560,000 Bytes ---- generally yields the Low  MIPS Rating.

System           Compiler                    CPU     CPU    High  Low  NOTE
---------------- ------------------------- -------  (MHz)   MIPS  MIPS ----

Sun SPARCstation
10 Model 41      acc -fast-O4-Bstatic-cg92   SPARC   40.0   65.3  13.6   27
Sun SPARCstation
10 Model 30      acc -fast-O4-Bstatic-cg92   SPARC   36.0   60.3  14.7   27
Sun SPARCstation
10 Model 30      /bin/cc -O3, No Ext Cache   SPARC   36.0   57.5  12.7   27
Sun SPARCstation
10 Model 30      /bin/cc, No Ext Cache       SPARC   36.0   38.1  11.5   27
                                                            
NOTE:                                                       
27  Tony Siress, Tony.Siress@Corp.Sun.COM, 12 Aug 1992
    The SS10-41 has a 1 MB external cache.
    The SS10-30 has no external cache.

Al Aburto
aburto@marlin.nosc.mil

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From: ndoduc@sphinx.enst.fr (Nhuan Doduc)
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: Weitek 4167: Speed in MFLOPS?
Summary: re: Weitek 4167
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:17:36 GMT
Organization: Telecom-Paris, France



In most of the usual cases, the Weitek 4167 will be *slower* than the 486 (of course
running at the same frequency -while now you can buy the Overdrive ...): the
superiority of the Weitek (1167 & 3167 over the 387) is no more true with the
486 (but Weitek which has "migrated from a FPU company to a CPU one" may still
surprise us in the future 8-) ) So my recommendation is that unless the speed
is 3x faster, then it's not worth the binary incompatibility (but if you still
want to play with multiple binary, why don't you try the 860 ? )

I don't have in mind exact values of classical benchmarks (Whet, Linpack, SPEC
-but I can dig my archives if there is any need) but I would say that:
     - at 25MHz, the 4167 is about 5x or 6x the Vax 780 and
     - at 33MHz, it is 9x the 780 (I've never meet one at 50MHz, which seems
not to exist in France :-) )

--nh
Nhuan DODUC
ndoduc@inf.enst.fr or doduc@afuu.fr
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: news@1.umd.edu
Subject: How do today's PCs compare yesterday's main frame?
Followup-To: comp.benchmarks
Originator: qian@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: UM
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:43:52 GMT


I am interested in knowing how current PCs like 486-33 or 50 compare to,
say a IBM 4341, 4381 or PDP-11? I used to run some programs on a 4381. 
But I now feels that my 486-33 may be faster than it.

Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Re: Disk storage size?
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:25:25 GMT

[Followups were redirected to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, even though the article
was posted only to comp.benchmarks.]

In article <0001@umd.edu>, pc@umd.edu writes:
>
>When people talk about 200MB disk, do they mean  200x1,000,000 byte, or
>200x1024x1024 ?  When talk about the RAM, people seems use 1k=1024, but
>when go to disk, it is metric. Is this always the case?

This is one of my peeves.  Most people, even educated, computer-literate types,
don't distinguish between 1000 and 1024.  Few people seem to realize that,
although the difference is small for values up to the hundreds of K, when you
are dealing with megabytes and gigabytes they really diverge quite a bit.

In practice, as when calculating transfer rates or repartitioning a disk, I'm
careful to calculate in terms of true K, M, and G, but when someone asks me how
big a file is or how much space is left on a partition, I'm sloppier and
sometimes use K as an abbreviation for "thousand", etc.

Bottom line: if it matters, make sure it's clear which meaning is being used.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
From: S_JUFFA@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Norbert Juffa)
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: Weitek 4167: Speed in MFLOPS?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 15:13:49 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav1.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Aug14.091124.304%boot.decnet@edwards-tems.af.mil> fantini%boot.decnet@edwards-tems.af.mil writes:

> Hello Net,
> 
> I have a question about the Weitek 4167 math co-processor:
> I know this much: It costs >$500.00 and it is reported to be faster
> than the co-processor in the 486DX.
> 
> Can anyone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of this device for use
> in a 486DX/33? How fast (in MFLOPS) are double precision calculations?
> It is sometype of array processor that assist in vector type calculations
> but not in scalar? What benchmarks have been run on this device
> and what are the figures? How does it compare to (for example) a VAX 6610?
> 
> It is worth the cost? Any info and comments (pro and con) are welcome.
> 
> 						-Thanks
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fantini@edwards-tems.af.mil   | 6510 TSWS U.S.A.F. Simulation Lab
> Mathematican & Loose Cannon   | "Zu viel Rechnerkraft? Unmoeglich!" - Me
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


                        Comparison of floating point performance

                                      single precision

                        Weitek 4167-33  Intel 486-33 Intel 486DX2-66

         LINPACK MFLOPS            5.0           1.8             3.5
         kWhetstones/sec         22700         12700           25500


                                      double precision

                        Weitek 4167-33  Intel 486-33 Intel 486DX2-66

         LINPACK MFLOPS            3.5           1.6             3.1
         kWhetstones/sec         14000         12300           24700



         References:

         Intel486(tm) DX2 Microprocessor Performance Brief. 1992
         Order No. 241254-001

         WTL 4167 Floating-Point Coprocessor Data Book. Weitek
         Corporation, July 1989
         DOC No. 8943


         Note that the Weitek Abacus 4167 has no extended precision, no
         built-in transcendental functions and no support for denormals,
         while the Intel 486 supports all these features. While there are 
         about 2100 software packages that support the floating-point 
         capabilities of the i486, only high-end products like AutoCAD
         support the Weitek. You also need a high-end compiler such as
         Metaware High-C to generate Weitek code from a HLL, if you do
         not want to code in assembly language using the macros supplied
         by Weitek. If I needed high floating-point performance, I would
         opt for a one of the 486DX2-66 system that have recently be 
         introduced to the market. 


         Norbert
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Norbert Juffa        email: S_JUFFA@IRAVCL.IRA.UKA.DE        Live and let live!
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: ricky@benchmaster.esd.sgi.com (Ricky Cheng)
Subject: HP AIM Configuration and pricing
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:14:03 GMT

Does anyone know the Prices and configuration of

HP 710C
HP 720CRX

when running AIM ?
Here is the results which were posted in this news group earlier!

		AIM	MAX USER
HP 710C		29.6	180
HP 720CRX	35.5	229

Does anyone knows the milestone results of all HP machines ?

Ricky
From: weicker@sinix.UUCP (Reinhold Weicker)
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: SPECmarks and Multiprocessor Machines
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:24:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.benchmarks
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <1992Aug10.221306.21186@cs.sandia.gov> wllarso@sandia.gov (William L Larson) writes:

>do SPECmarks (and possibly CPU benchmarks in general) scale with
>the number of processors in a system?

No, they don't: SPEC speed averages (BTW: SPECmarks are outdated, SPEC now
recommends to use SPECint92 and SPECfp92, based on the newer benchmark
suites) are based on the execution time of single-threaded programs.
It was exactly for this reason that SPEC introduced the "Homogenuous
Capacity Method": Several copies of the same CPU benchmarks are executed
in parallel, to show the processing capacity of the system, often a
multiprocessor system. The respective averages are SPECrate_int92 and
SPECrate_fp92 (similar earlier average, based on the old benchmark suite:
SPECthruput). For details, see
  Alexander Carlton: CINT92 and CFP92 Homogenuous Capacity Method
  Offers Fair Measure of Processing Capacity
  SPEC Newsletter vol. 4, no. 2 (June 1992), pp. 1-4

>How sensitive are the SPECmark values to the general hardware
>architecture?  Would most 80486 processors return similar results?
>(Again, assuming things like clock rate are constant.)

The most important factors influencing SPEC CPU benchmark results are
hardware architecture (and implementation), clock rate, cache size, 
compiler code optimization. The degree of the different influences
is varying.

-- 
Reinhold P. Weicker, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, STM OS 32
Address:    Otto-Hahn-Ring 6, W-8000 Muenchen 83, Germany
E-Mail:     weicker@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de
Disclaimer: This is just my opinion, not my company's or SPEC's
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: Patrick F. McGehearty <patrick@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Geometric Mean or Median
Originator: patrick@mozart.convex.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:40:39 GMT
Distribution: comp.benchmarks
Reply-To: patrick@convex.COM (Patrick F. McGehearty)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug11.150615.26439@news.eng.convex.com> patrick@convex.COM (Patrick F. McGehearty) writes:
>I don't know what title John recommends, but I find "The Art of Computer
>Systems Performance Analysis" worth having on my shelves.

I neglected to mention that Raj Jain is the author of "The Art of Computer
Systems Performance Analysis", and it is available from Wiley Press.

I'm told John Mashey likes to recommend "The Visual Display of Quantitative
Information" by Edmund Tufte, and "How to Lie with Statistics" by Huff.
I am not familiar with those books, but the titles sure sound relevant
to performance work.
From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M lives!)
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: How do today's PCs compare yesterday's main frame?
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:04:04 MDT
Followup-To: comp.benchmarks
Organization: Utah State University

In article <0001@1.umd.edu>, news@1.umd.edu writes:
> 
> I am interested in knowing how current PCs like 486-33 or 50 compare to,
> say a IBM 4341, 4381 or PDP-11? I used to run some programs on a 4381. 
> But I now feels that my 486-33 may be faster than it.

Using the famous BYTE sieve benchmark about 10 years ago, my PDP-11/03
with hand-coded assembly from the FORTRAN source benchmarked about the
same as the listed number for an IBM PC (4.77MHz 8088).

A custom-built J-11 CPU ran it in about half a second. My times for the
various PDP-8s that I've used (in compiled BASIC) have been on the order
of 750 seconds, but these are estimates because I couldn't declare an
8192 entry array on a machine with 4KW fields. The comparable 4MHz Z80 time
(compiled BASIC) is, I think, about 15 seconds.

Roger Ivie
ivie@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Geometric Mean or Median
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:03:52 GMT
Distribution: comp.benchmarks

>A discussion of this, and an offered proof
>of the geometric mean as preferred method is in the March 1986 issue of 
>Communications of the ACM, "How Not to Lie With Statistics: The Correct
>Way to Summarize Benchmark Results," by Fleming and Wallace.

Personally, I think the "proof" is weak.  Worlton has an earlier, less
frequently cited paper saying the harmonic mean is the way to go.  The above
authors didn't do enough literature checking.  If the arithmetic, the geometric,
and the harmonic mean are all suspect, then don't trust any of them.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
Ref: J. Worlton, Benchmarkology, email for additional ref.
From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: EFF Receives Dvorak/Zoom Award
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:39:37 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <BtD13p.AL0@world.std.com> hueras@world.std.com (Jon Hueras) writes:
>In article <Bt8zHy.F92@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>>	Please, the name is Suess.  Seuss is a made-up name by a dead
>For the record, the author's real name was Theodor Seuss Geisel!
>Better luck next time, :-)

	I stand corrected.
	I will go change my name.

-- 
	I am created Shiva the Destroyer; Death, the shatterer of worlds!
	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,alt.bbs.allsysop,comp.bbs.misc,du.misc
From: drw@kronecker.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,alt.bbs.allsysop,comp.bbs.misc,du.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Last Straw
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:14:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: kronecke.DRW.92Aug14111448
	<1992Aug12.012313.2745@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA

Obtaining money from someone by stating falsehoods over an interstate
telephone connection is "telephone fraud", a serious federal offense.
Contacting the FTC might be in order.

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
Re vegetarianism: The difference between eating a cow and eating a
carrot is that a carrot doesn't squirm when you kill it.
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: danzig@umbio.med.miami.edu (Jared Danziger)
Subject: Gore Bill
Organization: University of Miami Medical School
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:30:17 GMT


Does anyone have any material (not contained in the Gore bill itself)
on how the proposed implanmentation of pilot schools with network access
will be carried out.  Particularly the criteria, (if any), for selecting
high schools.  (I am a high school student myself and this is of great
concern to me :) )

jared danziger
danzig@umbio.med.miami.edu


Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: NetNews/CD - USENET News Available
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:47:10 GMT
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: daemon@eff.org

In article <1992Aug13.171419.29877@gtephx.UUCP>, gtephx!forda
(Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) said:
>>>>>>>>> quote:
What do you think of the suggestion in my previous post? a Copyright
line which is defaulted to Full unless the user take specific action to
change it (specific action which grants license to all machines connected
to usenet -- even those the user "thinks" are not part of usenet (an oxymoron)).
 
I suppose you could take it further by giving two options: Full or Public Domain
,
where Full means no-one distributes it (ie: you wanna post, you give to the
public domain, except of course for direct quotes from copyrighted material
which can be used under Fair Use.)
unquote. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I think I would go no further than to grang the net the right to make the
post available anywhere unless I change the Distribution: field. (btw, how
does one do that? where can I read about it?)

I don't necessarily want to make a post public domain. Take shareware as
an example. I'll put the copyright notice in the body of the message and
take my own responsability to deal with violators myself (as opposed to
expecting the net to do this for me). That way, no software needs to be
changed. Caveat Postor!
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.consumers,alt.flame
From: keithf@pacifier.rain.com (Keith Furrow)
Subject: LOD T-Shirts, a RIP OFF??? Where's mine?
Summary: I got ripped off, how about you?
Keywords: LOD, T-Shirt, rip-off, steal, theif, con, fraud, kibo
Organization: Pacifier BBS
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:56:16 GMT


Hey??? I sent my dough for the LOD t-shirts, my check has been cashed but no
shirt!?!  I sent it about 7 weeks ago, the check was cashed 6 weeks ago.  
What's the deal here?
 
Grrrrrr.

Keith
-- 
  _____                                                              _____
 /  o  \  ||Mutants for Nuclear Power||keithf@pacifier.rain.com ||  /  o  \
< \___/ > ||-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_|| < \___/ >
 \_____/  ||   Radioactive waste, Glowing stronger every day!   ||  \_____/
From: ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Genealogy Help Needed
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:45:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:peg:374500019:000:668
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ilanet    Aug 15 17:45:00 1992


In Australia, we have a Registry that deals with Births, Deaths and Marriages 
and will provide information   to the public on related areas.

I would like to contact the equivalent body in the States. Is anyone out 
there able to provide me with firstly, an email address and secondly, a fax 
or other means of contact?

Thanks in advance.

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
Sandra Davey           APC:      peg:ilanet
ILANET                 Internet: ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au
State Library of NSW
Macquarie St           Fax:      61 2 232 4816
Sydney  NSW  2000      AUSTRALIA
<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Re: EFF ftp site?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:49:31 GMT

henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss) writes:

>Sorry to add noise to this group, but could someone
>send me (or post) the name of the ftp site where old
>EFF newsletters and other articles is kept?  I had it,
>then I lost it.

ftp.eff.org
From: hueras@world.std.com (Jon Hueras)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: EFF Receives Dvorak/Zoom Award
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:52:36 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <Bt8zHy.F92@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>
>	Please, the name is Suess.  Seuss is a made-up name by a dead
>	cat lover.
>

For the record, the author's real name was Theodor Seuss Geisel!
                                                   ^^^^^

Better luck next time, :-)
   JFH
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: LOD T-shirts HELP WANTED!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:37:44 GMT

keithf@pacifier.rain.com (Keith Furrow) writes:

>PPLEASE help me!  I posted an article and like my check that was cashed I got
>no response!  I would greatly appriciate someone sending me Chris Goggin's 
>Phone # or Mail box address!  Or a reply from him would help also!

    Houston directory assistance has no phone listed.  The address in the
original post was:

           5620 Glenmont #P-17
           Houston TX 77081

    I too sent my money in, so I'd like to hear about anything that comes
to light in this matter.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
From: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: LOD T-shirts HELP WANTED!
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:26:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug20.214630.1614@pacifier.rain.com> keithf@pacifier.rain.com (Keith Furrow) writes:
>
>PPLEASE help me!  I posted an article and like my check that was cashed I got
>no response!  I would greatly appriciate someone sending me Chris Goggin's 
>Phone # or Mail box address!  Or a reply from him would help also!
> 
I too ordered the shirt.  I haven't looked into whether or not my check was
cashed but I'd give the guy a little more time before you come barging down
his door.  I had read your previous message which said that your check was
cashed 6 weeks ago.  I guess giving him a call couldn't do much harm.  
Please pass the word along about what happened either in this newsgroup or
via e-mail.  I would appreciate that...


-- 
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    ///  DCTV (yeah!)      * e-mail: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org    *DreAms i
\\\///   HP Paintjet (yuck)*                                       *  WalK
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too?
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:11:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: willard.6k6JPB4w165w
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:

> Hmm, I had/have no intention of starting a flamewar, but a rational debate,
> certainly.

...

> Yes, the government does indeed take by force.  They may call it an income
> tax, but that is just extortion.  How do you define "fair share"?  It costs
> very little (if any) more to secure the rights of a rich man compared to
> those of a poor man.  They are, after all, the same rights.  (Example: the
> rich man may have more property in need of being patrolled or guarded vs.
> lawbreakers)
> 
> In fact, if you think you own any property, merely decide not to pay some of
> this arbitrary extortion, and see how long you keep it.
> 
> Is this the government of our founding fathers?

Yes, it is.

> In any case, although I try to word my questions to make the answers fairly
> obvious from my standpoint, I would love to hear the opinions of others.
> I would like to be able to take them seriously too (how else might I learn
> things?), so please derive them using Reason, evidence, or both.  And if
> you think the discussion is likely to be too intense or florid for this
> board, by all means send me email.
> If you are interested in some solidly written background information, I
> strongly recommend "For the New Intellectual" and "The Virtue of Selfishness"
> by Ayn Rand (I admit to not having read all of "Atlas Shrugged"...yet); 
> and "The Psychology of Self-Esteem" by Nathaniel Branden.  Eye openers, to
> be sure.
> -JTT


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Need e-mail address for 2600 mag
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:59:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.hhll.714038365
Organization: University of Washington


I need the e-mail address for 2600 magazine. Anyone have it?

Steven
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk