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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney alleges 'deception' in 'Beast' suit vs. GoodTimes
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:48:48 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug25.051446.13415@PA.dec.com>, snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>    The Walt Disney Co. has targeted GoodTimes Home Video with an unfair
> competition suit stemming from the cassette company's release of an animated
> "Beauty and the Beast" program that Disney says infringes on the Burbank
> studio's copyrighted version of the Belle character.
> 
>    The complaint alleges that GoodTimes is misleading consumers by packaging
> under the title "Beauty and the Beast" three separate animated stories
> including a 12-minute version of the "Beast" fable.

 This is pretty standard practice. Many of the cheap available animated
videos contain 2-3 different shorts but only one character and/or
story pictured on the cover. Hell, Disney does it - I believe the reluctant
dragon contain Morris the Moose - no? 

>    The suit goes on to state that the front cover and side panel of the
>GoodTimes "so-called 'Beauty and the Beast' videocassette" depicts "a character
> that simulates the design and appearance of Disney's 'Belle' character."
>    This character, which also appears on the tape's spine, does not appear in
> the film, according to Disney.

 I've seen their cover but really didn't look at it closely. Assuming that
this is true, then they probably have a case. If the character does appear 
in the short then it would seem to be a bullshit charge.

>    GoodTimes representatives could not be reached for comment.  Difficulty
> between Disney and GoodTimes dates back to 1990 when both companies released
> titles called "Peter Pan."  At that time, Disney video executives criticized
> GoodTimes for "riding the coattails" of its multimillion-dollar marketing
> campaign with the New York-based company's Mary Martin live-action version.

 Hmmm... I know people who were more excited about getting the Mary
Martin version than they were about the Disney release. Also, is there
any law against "ridingthe coattails"?? 

>    That scenario repeated last year when Disney said the same thing about the
> versions of "The Jungle Book" each company released.


It should be interesting to see what happens. Disney frequently chooses
subjects in the public domain to base their films upon, it would seem
to me to be the obvious price one pays for doing so - someone is going
to try and take advantage of the "free advertising". 

 I find it hard to believe that anyone would buy the GoodTimes video
believing it was the Disney release but anything is possible I guess.
But how do you avoid this? The story is not owned by Disney so how
do you prevent someone from issuing a video release of the story?
Can you force a company to say "Not the Disney Version!!" on the
video cover? 


				gln


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From: mcdonald@netcom.com (James T. Mc Donald III)
Subject: Re: Crowds at Disney - suggestion
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 01:04:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep1.220822.19078@bert.eecs.uic.edu> artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) writes:
>	Since there are so many postings here asking "how are the crowds
>at XXX time of year," perhaps someone in the know could get us a plot
>of average crowd size by month/week/day, whatever, and either post it,
>include it in the FAQ, or (for day data) make it available for FTP.
>	Perhaps this information is already in the FAQ, but I don't
>remember ever seeing it.
>	Anectodal evidence (I was there on xxx and it was crowded) are
>not sufficient, since there seem to be conflicting points of view.
>Besides, I'd rather look at a chart and say "Hmmm....  This day/week is
>the least crowded all year, and I think I can get time off..."
>	Max/min crowds would also be nice.
>	I'm sure Disney has this information in-house (as well as
>figures on EXACTLY how much ice cream is purchased per person per degree
>above 60 F, etc, etc), but is it public? 
>
>			sbm
>-- 
>--
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>(Art)^n Laboratories, inventors of the Stealth Negative PHSCologram
>(312) 567-3762

Yes, Disney does have all this information for all of their parks, but they
have never released exact numbers for anything. They have computers at Disney-
land that track attendance, how many people in the park, etc. along with
approximate movement within the park (turnstile numbers are checked every
30 minutes, or they were two years ago at Disneyland when I left.) In each
division manager's office, there is a small box that gives pretty exact numbers
on in-park attendance and total attendance, but this info is NEVER released
to the public, or to cast members, except those who need know.  Also, in the
past few years, attendance numbers have not helped a lot.  Crowds change
depending upon what is the new attraction, what the economy looks like, has
your area had riots/Olympics/All-Star games/hurricanes recently, is it a 10th 
year anniversary, how much did tickets prices go up, is it a local special
month, etc.

Jim Mc Donald
mcdonald@netcom.com

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From: rjf@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.j.fredette)
Subject: disabled guests
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:58:06 GMT
Keywords: wheelchairs


   Having returned from WDW Sunday after visiting our ankle injured, college 
program, Typhoon Lagoon, lifeguard daughter(phew), I thought that a few words
could be said about access for the disabled there. Because of her injury, the 	
Disney doctors wanted her in an air cast and off her feet as much as possible.
We had planned a morning at the MK to check out Splash Mtn so a wheelchair was
in order. Disney publishes a guidebook that includes all parks and wheelchair
accessibility within that is handed out at time of rental. There would also 
be no problem in obtaining a tour book when bringing your own chair.  
All castmembers were more than helpful. As an interesting side note, the book
also prints the trip and show time lengths of all attractions and when you have 
a wheelchair, there are no lines.

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From: tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda)
Subject: Re: The Disney Stores List!
Followup-To: rec.arts.disney
Reply-To: tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:59:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.113245.1@scivax.stsci.edu> phillips@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
|
|	This is a file I periodically post that contains the locations of all
|of the Disney Stores in the US (plus four in the UK).  
|
|United Kingdom	The Disney Store on Regent Street, London
|		Note:  there are 3 others in UK, locations unknown

	One has just opened up close to me (yippee) ! It's only
small (one floor) but it's OK !

	Oh yeah - it's in Watford, Herts., in the Harlequin
centre.

	I believe there is one other in Sheffield, and one in
Scotland somewhere.

|
|--
|Jim Phillips					phillips@avion.stsci.edu

Tom Drynda

no sig yet - just started here !

tad@ingres.com
From: colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: WDW in April
Date: 24 Aug 92 23:33:31 GMT

It's been a while since my family has done a trip together, now that  
we are all adults.  The best would be to go to WDW, to commemorate  
our visit there 20 years ago, when I was 7 and my brother 3. I was  
thinking of going in April of next year.  Can someone please tell me  
whether or not this is a good time to go, and what I can expect?   
(lines, weather, prices, etc.?)(Would March be better?)

Thanks a lot,
Delia
From: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carwil James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Vacation Club
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:36:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carwil James)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ak189@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carolyn James) says:

>
>In a previous article, kessler%jensen.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Robert R. Kessler) says:
>
>>Would someone please email or post the following information about the
>>Vacation Club?  It turns out that Disney has not yet registered in
>>Utah, so when I requested info, they couldn't send it to me.  Here are
>>my questions:
>>
>>1) How many points do you get for the various purchase prices (I
>>   believe that 12K is the minimum buy-in).
>
>
>I do not have the latest price list - it has been increased in the last few months.  
>You receive 230 points for the minimum $12K buy-in.  When we bought ours 310 
>vacation points was $16,430 and annual dues of $749.52
$54.50 per point/ 230 minimum 2000 maximum
Before October Price increase
>-- 
>Carolyn James--ak189@Cleveland.FreeNet.EDU
>Genealogist at large :)
>
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From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Hurricane plans
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:41:57 GMT

In article <211.2AA06F4E@gisatl.fidonet.org>, deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org
(David Deitch) writes:
> Dateline Wed, 26/Aug92 06:53.
> In , Kitty in the Middle of tyger@netcom.com  wrote to All at 1:133/411,
> 
> >>1) Andrew did not make Category 5, it made only Category 4 
> (Max sustained winds
> >>   of less than 155 mph) before striking Florida.  It only 
> had gusts over 155
> 
>  KitM> Really? Local news has been saying gusts up to 180, which 
>  KitM> would put it over the hump. I suppose I shouldn't be 
> 
>      Truth be told, it slowed down to about 120 before hitting Miami. 
And before it hit Louisianna, it went down to category 3 at about 100 mph.
> 
  Tell that to the people in south Dade county who huddled in
  their houses and watched there roofs and walls blow away at
  150 miles an hour.  

  The National Hurricane center in Coral Gables (which, ironically, was
  knocked out during the storm) measured winds over their site 
  at 164 miles per hour.

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From: jrjj@moscom.UUCP (Jad Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Purchasing odd lots of stock w/ low transactino fee?
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: jrjj@moscom.UUCP (Jad Jordan)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <9208251031.aa27151@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> dbell@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
>Does anyone know what brokerage will sell odd lots of Disney stock
>w/o charging $30+ for the transaction.
>
>Any information about names and prices for service fees would be
>helpful.

Absolutely. Dean Witter Reynolds sold me m shares earlier this month. I wanted
1 share. He said I should buy 10. We compromised on 5. (Be firm with them. If
they want your business, they will agree to your terms.) For 5 shares of stock,
the broker fees were about $18.00. So my five shares at $36 was just under
$200. Not bad at all, I say.

      
      ()_()  Jad R. J. Jordan		"I hope we never lose sight of one 
       (_)   MOSCOM Corporation. 	 thing... That it all started with a
	     jrjj@moscom.com		 mouse."  - Walter E. Disney
						(the all-mighty creator)
From: WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu (Reid Woolery)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disney Maps
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:50:18 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Does anyone know if Disney still produces large maps of Disneyland and
WDW for sale to the public? I recently saw a nice one of Disneyland in our
University's library. It's about 29" X 46", dated 1982, and had portraits of
Disney characters around the outside border. Sound familiar? Since our map
room hasn't updated their copy I wasn't sure if they are still being produced.

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* (Appl/Sys/Analyst) UTS                   WTQ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                 *
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From: jmcginn@UDCPS3.CPS.UDAYTON.EDU (John McGinn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Injured Daughter (was disabled guests)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:29:11 GMT


In Message-ID: <1992Aug27.145806.13907@cbnews.cb.att.com> Joe Fedenyszen
writes:
>   Having returned from WDW Sunday after visiting our ankle injured, college 
>program, Typhoon Lagoon, lifeguard daughter(phew), I thought that a few words
> [rest of article concerning wheelchairs deleted]

Just curious, did she get injured on the group raft ride, and on August 6? I
was at Typhoon Lagoon, and was going up the longer single person tube ride
when I noticed someone just kinda there in the bottom of the group tube
ride. They thru neck braces into the water, and other things. But when I
finished my tube ride we, my friend and I were heading towards the water
slides when some other lifeguards kept us out of a main walkway, and within
5-10 minutes the injured person was taken out of the park on a stretcher.
I was amazed at how they handled the whole situation. 

BTW, at the top of the single raft ride I was on I passed over the group
raft entrance into the water area, and there was a high pitched tone going
off in increments, and I believe it is the way the person on top know that
something is wrong on the ride. Interesting!

Have a Disney Day!
-- 
John McGinn                              | "Would you like a box of Girl Scout
   jmcginn@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu        |  cookies?" - Girl Scout
   mcginnjw@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu       | "Are they made out of real Girl
   mcginnjw@dayton {BITNET}              |  Scouts?" - Wednesday Addams
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From: ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg)
Subject: Re: Cartoons
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:58:06 GMT

In article <2377@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> derrick@cs.athabascau.ca (Derrick Rowlandson) writes:
>These are my favorites, particularily the Tex Avery stuff. I would love to get
>a good book on the MGM stuff, and would like to know how to find out wether
>any other cartoon tapes of this type of stuff is available.

Leonard Maltin's book _Of Mice and Magic_ covers all of the major movie
company's animation departments from the 30's to the 70's.  One chapter is
dedicated to MGM.  There is also a fairly comprehensive list of all the
shorts released over the years covered by the book.  I'd highly recommend
this book.

>Disney seems to be well represented by books and video's also, the Disney
>video's don't appear to be the best value tho ($15 for 3 cartoons, 23 minutes
>total in lenght).

If you want to collect Disney cartoons, get a subscription to the Disney
Channel.  It's the only place you'll find a reasonable assortment of early
shorts.  I haven't subscribed for a couple years, so maybe things have
changed.  I taped around 60% of the shorts via shows like "Good Morning,
Mickey", "Donald Duck Presents", "Mouseterpiece Theater", "Wonderful World of
Disney" and "The Mickey Mouse Club" (the old b/w show often showed old b/w
Mickey's).  They also had occasional specials collecting themed cartoons
(Christmas, fathers, etc.).  Beware though!  Disney truncates a lot of the
cartoons they show.  Sometimes to cram more into a show (this is especially
true on "Good Morning, Mickey") and sometimes it is to remove ethnic
caricatures.

Leonard Maltin's book _The Disney Films_ has a fairly decent list of the
Disney shorts.  Along with _The Disney Studio Story_, you should be able to
create an almost complete list.  Both books are currently out of print now,
though.

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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: I'm back!!!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:40:19 GMT

Hello again everyone.  I have just returned from my summer job at The
Great Movie Ride and I am now unfortunately preparing for my fifth and
final year of school.  So send any questions, applause or cashier's
checks my way (I could use it with what I saved this summer).  

Welcome back to all the college programmers too.  Please mail with
your impressions of the program this year.  


Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney alleges 'deception' in 'Beast' suit vs. GoodTimes
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:12:39 GMT
Organization: Pomona College

In article <21023@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> 
> Also, is there
> any law against "ridingthe coattails"?? 

No, but there is a law once you step over the line into copyright
infringement.  Certainly someone else can make a version of the same
public-domain story, but they cannot use unique characters (such as
Cogsworth) or other Disney-created material (such as the specific
appearance of one of the title characters or subplots not found in
the original story).

>  I find it hard to believe that anyone would buy the GoodTimes video
> believing it was the Disney release but anything is possible I guess.

Believe it.  Most people are either really stupid or they just don't
pay any attention to the world around them.  I worked in a well known
record store one summer when I was a student, and we closed one day
for physical inventory.  We put up signs for a week before that day,
and on that day there were signs at eye level on the doors.  I was
*amazed* at how many people tried to open the doors *before* they saw
the signs.  The other amusing thing was the number of people who came
in the next day to return videos demanding to get the day before free
since they had tried to return it but we had been closed.  Of course,
the signs had said that would be our policy, and we even made a point
of mentioning it verbally to every single rental customer in the two
or three days before we closed.

Like I said, believe it.

--
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From: deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org (David Deitch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Hurricane plans
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:37:24 GMT
Organization: Galaxy Information System (GIS) 1:133/411 Atlanta, Ga

Dateline Wed, 26/Aug92 06:53.
In , Kitty in the Middle of tyger@netcom.com  wrote to All at 1:133/411,

>>1) Andrew did not make Category 5, it made only Category 4 
(Max sustained winds
>>   of less than 155 mph) before striking Florida.  It only 
had gusts over 155

 KitM> Really? Local news has been saying gusts up to 180, which 
 KitM> would put it over the hump. I suppose I shouldn't be 

     Truth be told, it slowed down to about 120 before hitting Miami.  And before it hit Louisianna, it went down to category 3 at about 100 mph.

 KitM> Well it must have gone over something, because last I heard, 
 KitM> the eye was over New Orleans.

     Actually, New Orleans was spared any direct contact.  Andrew took a more western path among rual areas than any big cities.

          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta



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From: ROCKY@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Rocky Essex - University of Florida)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Give it a rest (Was re: Hurricane Plans)
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:32:53 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <xzant!k.tyger@netcom.com>
tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
 
>In article <Rich_Koster.0mh7@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:
>>
>>Do you know what, if any, hurricane preparation plans there are at Walt
>>Disney World? I ask that now in light of the current projected path of
>>Hurricane Andrew as of now (9:30 am Saturday morning, 8/22) would take it
>>right through Cape Canaveral and on through Orlando.
>>
>>Well, that day's forecast was something like "30% chance of sun" (love how
>>they put a spin on the 70% chance of rain in the official Weather Bureau
>>forecast!) and no mention of the tropical storm.
>>it on a local station's weather broadcast, we overheard a Disney Host
>>telling other guests, "Oh, those storms pass over here all the time --
>>nothing to worry about!"
>
>Am I the only one that finds this disturbing? Now, someone compared this
>attitude to that of Californians faced with the prospect of a big quake.
----
Come on folks give it a rest!
I can't believe all the fuss on such an issue as Hurricane Andrew and the
comment on ONE DISNEY EMPLOYEE saying those things pass over here all the
time.  Well first of all, THEY DON'T!!!  I'm sure the National Hurricane
Center would give ample warning to the Orlando area, including Disney
World like they do the rest of the world.  Secondly to take the words of
one employee and make an issue of it would be like one Coke salesperson
at a football game saying oh I hear Coke is going to discontinue Coke
Classic again!!!!!  Its absurd!!!!  I've been to Disney many times and
on many different occasions and they are always prepared beyond the
norm...I'm quite sure they have a hurricane, severe storm plan.
To think that The Disney Company would jepardize a mult-million dollar
resort on a flippant attitude like the one supposedly portrayed in that
sole employee is ridiculous.  Furthermore, to think they would endanger
thousands of daily guests by not preparing would be unthinkable.  After
all these guests are their bread and butter.
I truly believe as with every other situation WDW faces, should the
situation merit, they have a plan and it will work like everything else
they do.
Rocky
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