From: blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais)
Subject: Re: Defined: National Police Force
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:03:44 GMT

In article <PA146008.254.714778255@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.153857.7456@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:
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>>From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat)
>>Subject: Re: Defined: National Police Force
>>Organization: AT&T
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>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:38:57 GMT
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>>|Seriously, Lance, the Army ain't that stupid.  Tanks have pisspots inside,
>>|as well as food.  It isn't very easy to fuck up the treads, and they have
>>|a lot more than one little periscope.
>>
> [....]
>     I would dearly love to see someone try and drive a tank into Knoxville.
>The area is so honey-combed with caves and limestone that the streets
>occasionally collapse with just that weight of normal cars.


A technigue my brother learned in the marine corps for taking 
out *dug in* tanks was to crawl up under the gun barrel, where they
really can't see you, count the shots , and then dumb a grenade in
the mussel while they reload. (and then run/slither like hell) 
If they've just re-loaded, it explodes the magazine(?), if 
they're in the process of reloading, it falls into the cabin.
This only works with certain grenade/tank combinations I believe
In an urban civil war this would be possible,since ojne can
build various grenade type weapons (although the time delay
is the kicker)

A fictional attack on  a few tanks was used in the sleeper
"Red Dawn, a movie about the Soviet Union invading
the US using Cuban troups. I don't know if its even    
been used in real combat or is even plausible, but the idea was that you
had  small holes built in the ground with trap doors
just big enough for one person when the tank went over-
(and here's the catch, had to go over centered) 
a person springs up and attaches a time delay explosive
to bottom of tank. 

Hmmm wonder if one could create the equivalent 
of sea mines that attach themselves to ships
on land, instead of small anti-personnel mines.
Sits covered in dust and waits for a metallic surface
to go over and springs up and attaches itself- 
no person needed. 

I think if one was creative enough and desperate
enough one could come up with something to defeat
tanks. Large pieces of armor are always vulnerable to
smaller more manuverable units that can get in close 
,without making a very big target, especially when there is 
limited vison -as there is on most tanks. Unless they
have perimeter sensors that extend out past the gun barrel
in the infrared, someone can get very close to or  on
a tank. And as long as there are openings to
dump explosives down, they are vulnerable to this type of
attack.

:-)
Kristin
 
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