HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: tragus piercing
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:55:45

"Jeff" == Jeff Duke <jduke@Autodesk.COM> writes:

Jeff> I was wondering if other people who have had this pierce,
Jeff> experienced the same thing.  My upper ear piercings never felt

I think it has something to do with fine hairs on the tragus being
tickled by the jewelry.  I "felt" mine for a while, and still do, if
I move my head certain ways...

Jeff> I've also noticed the ring wants to stick out horizontally
Jeff> instead of following the laws of gravity.

Hm.  Mine was just the opposite -- only wanted to be straight down,
but as it healed, I could move it to the sides...

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From: jduke@Autodesk.COM (Jeff Duke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: tragus piercing
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:53:27 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


I had a tragus piercing done last week.  This is the first pierce I have
had done in which I can feel the thing in my ear.

I was wondering if other people who have had this pierce, experienced
the same thing.  My upper ear piercings never felt like this.  I keep
wanting to itch the inside of my ear.  It's not infected as far as I can
tell (the pierce is surprising clean), it's just that I can feel this thing.

I've also noticed the ring wants to stick out horizontally instead
of following the laws of gravity.

Any thoughts or advice?

  Jeff
From: coomer@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Coomer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Ampallang
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:49:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

Yeah Yeah I know what it is i've read the faq etc. But what 
I'm looking for is personal experiences from people with
and ampallang.  General info about the pierce itself.
I have one nipple done and just got both ear lobes done 
this past weekend.  I'll be gettig my other nipple done
as soon as I get the cash but I've been starting to think
about the major ampallang and just want to hear from those
who already have one.

Thanks
Eric
please email all responses.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: dosbears@netcom.com (David R. Preston)
Subject: Re: *Piercing Rings and Metal Detectors at airports*
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:11:26 GMT
Organization: DosBears at Netcom

In article <Bv9HBG.DsH@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <19r1f6INN7o4@agate.berkeley.edu> lee@soda.berkeley.edu (Lee Thompson-Herbert) writes:
>>SFO won't even let you out to the gates if you don't have a boarding pass.
>
>What airline?  In my experience, SFO is one of the few major US airports
>that *will* let you out to the gate without a boarding pass.

During the "war" and for a while after there were extra security measures
in effect. It's been back to normal for awhile. Right after they relaxed
the rules they had a sign up saying what you could and couldn't take
through. According to the sign, pocket knives of a certain length were OK.
So next time I was there to meet someone, I kept my serrated-edge Spyderco
Police model Clipit. The security woman said that it was "too sharp"....
Fuckin' brilliant.

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From: batman@sgi.com (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: batman@lenny.corp.sgi.com
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys

In article <1992Sep29.060200.29887@odin.corp.sgi.com> bmr@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae) writes:
>
>Indeed. I shelled out $180.00 this morning for an hour and 10 minutes
>of Eddie Deutsche's time... *ouch*... 'course, it looks great, but
>still...


	Of course, *Eddie* thought it was for 90 minutes, which comes
	out to 120/hour, which is close to the tattoo city shyop rate
	(I've forgotten what the rate is currently; 125/hr or
	something...). SO while I suppose you can fault his sense of
	time, he's not charging an outrageous hourly rate.


			-Karl




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From: cvoid@spud.kludge.com (Christian Void)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:01:42 GMT
Organization: Tater Tot Liberation Front, San Francisco CA

> 	Artists always shave the area before the tattoo, even when
> 	there's so little hair it wouldn't matter. It's to give them 
> 	an nice even canvas to work on.

Actually, any hairs, no matter how small, in the path of the needle will 
cause it to "jump". If you want a crap piece of ink, don't shave the 
area, and then wear it for life... I've seen the damage getting inked and 
not shaved can do... I advise against it.
 

Christian Void /T71        |     "I don't like it, and I'm sorry
VMResearch, Inc.           |    I ever had anything to do with it."
cvoid@spud.kludge.COM      |       -Erwin Schrodinger 1887-1961
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: *Piercing Rings and Metal Detectors at airports*
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:37:23 -0300
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <43.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
> 
> -> Again, it depends on what particular alloy was used.  The *zippers*
> -> on my motorcycle jacket (there are only 4, and they're small) set off
> -> the detectors every time, while my steel-toe engineering boots only
> -> sometimes set off the detectors.
> 
>  Some detectors only scan from about knees to shoulders.  Others scan
> everything.
> 
> 
>  If the Detector Ritual weren't so annoying, it'd be funny.  It exists
> only to impress the citizens; for anyone serious about getting a weapon
> on a plane it's only a minor inconvenience at best.
>                                               

Actually, even if you aren't serious about getting a weapon on an aircraft,
it's only a minor inconvienence at best. I once put a knife (one
of the kind that folds into the hilt) in my carryon bag ( I was planting trees
at the time, so it was a perfectly normal thing for me to carry). The thing
cruised right through Mr. X-Ray Machine without a whisper for Mr. Rocket 
Scientist Security Guard. I had forgotten it; you can imagine my surprise when
 I opened the bag and realized I had an instrument o death on board

Ob Tottoo Question: my new one REALLY scabbed up, and it's weeping like CRAZY.
What can I do? (is it me or does this sound like a Dear Abbey Letter).

Signed
Scabbed in Scotia
From: ebchock@sgsun42.ericsson.se (Camilla Carlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Have you tried to mail me?
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:19:37 GMT
Reply-To: ebchock@sgsun42.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson

Hello Scott!

Camilla here.

I am not shure if you have tried to mail me or not.

I try with this mail again and if it don't gets throu  I have to try and 
contact you via the alt req bodyart conference.

I am very curious if you have heard anything from Raelyn about my 
nipplepiercing? 

If she thinks it's possible to pierce them the way I would like to do.

Last month I went to a beauty-parlor and got my nostrils pierced ,
both of them !! 

Now its a couple of weeks ago and they feel nice,
and look beautiful!!

They told me that I should wait with the septum till the nostrils had
healed. I think that it was a good idea because it's much easier to 
clean my nostril-piercings the way I have them now!

I was only a bit sore in my nose for a few days !

I got shot with a couple of plastic studs with a little stone in them.
I think they sparkle quite cute ,when light strikes them.

But they did not use the backside of the stud ?? WHY??
So now is only the pole hanging inside the nostril.
Do you have any idea?

Maybe it's easier to clean the inside this way.

Anyway I've had a few surprised people here around me now for a week :-).

How are things around your place?


Have you noticed that my mailing address have changed a bit
Parts have swapped around a bit. I think it's because they have changed the
system  a bit lately! 


I  really hope that this mail gets thru to you!

Hugs 

Camilla
From: af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:53:55 GMT
	<1992Sep29.170738.28515@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>Along the same line, the Hopi artist Charles Loloma would often put as 
>much work decorating the *inside* of a ring or bracelet as he did the 
>outside.  He offered the same philosophy.  The owner had a private world 
>(work of art) that was hidden from the view of others.  You can take the 
>metaphor further, but the knowledge of a hidden beauty is something I >have 
>always found appealing.

Another reason (besides aesthetics) for putting decoration on the inside
of jewelry (esp. bracelets) is spiritual.  Some people have the belief
that certain stones have powers or energy in them.  They will set the
stones on the inside of bracelets or armbands so they come in contact
with your body.  I don't remember who did this.  I do remember one of
the stones was tiger's eye, which was supposed to give you more rhythm
because of its internal vibrations.
(I know this isn't all right, but it's what I remember... any one else
have anything to add?)

-me
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Public/Private beauty (was Re: The tattoo)
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:22:13 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:

>In article <BD.92Oct1074104@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>:
>:cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:
>:
>:>Along the same line, the Hopi artist Charles Loloma would often put as 
>:>much work decorating the *inside* of a ring or bracelet as he did the 
>:>outside.  He offered the same philosophy.  The owner had a private world 
>:>(work of art) that was hidden from the view of others.  You can take the 
>:>metaphor further, but the knowledge of a hidden beauty is something I have 
>:>always found appealing.
>:
>:Why?  There is so little beauty in the world, it should be shared if found.
>
>Some beauty is not right before our eyes -- laid out for all the 
>world to see.  Sometimes one has to look a little deeper to find it.
>Ans that makes the discovery all the better.

Reminds me of a story...

Years ago I was talking to a friend about dogs versus cats, and I said
that one of the reasons I like cats more than dogs is that when you
spend a lot of time with a cat and it comes to love you, it's a very
special feeling.  Dogs love everyone (most dogs, not all.  Let's not
quibble).

He asked me "Is the dogs love worth *less* because it's unconditional,
or worth *more*?"

I've had more respect for dogs ever since.

The same seems to me to be true of beauty.  My initial comment
may have sounded harsher than I intended, but my point was that
I *don't* think private beauty is more special than public beauty.

Just MHO of course, but there it is.

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Nail piercing?????
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 23 Sep 92 09:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> >dealing with a hole through the part of the fingernail most guys
-> >trim off.

> You could probably say the same thing about your foreskin.

 Hmm.  Self-circumcision would certainly be a statement.  Of course,
it'd only work *once*...
From: troyer@cgl.ucsf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: PA jewelry preferences?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:18:37 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab
Originator: troyer@piglet.mmwb.ucsf.edu

What are people's preferences when it comes to PA jewelry?
Fixed bead vs. captive bead vs curved barbell thingy?

Do you have a tendancy to lose captive beads?
Is one "more aesthetically pleasing?"
The guy at Gauntlet says the curved barbell is easier to take out and
	put back in. What do you need to take it out for? Black tie dinners?
	Olympic try-outs? 

Curious minds want to know!

john
troyer@cgl.ucsf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: clements@bow.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements)
Subject: Bent Ampallang
Organization: Power-Pounders, Inc. 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:03:15 GMT

  To begin with, this won't be as gruesome as it sounds (I got my crotch
caught in a drill press and...), but I do have a problem.

  This is the _second_ ampallang that has begun to bend on me.  The
folks at the Gauntlet were extraordinarily nice about replacing the
first one (for *free*) but I have to wonder whether there is an
underlying problem here.  I really can't get one any shorter (it's 
1 1/8" now)--do I need a thicker bar?  I can't recall any postings of
this nature; anyone have this problem.  Many tasteless sexual prowess
could be inserted here, but I choose to withhold them. :)

john clements
21, pounder jr.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: jburney@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:38:47 GMT

jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason) writes:

>What happens to hair growth in the area of the tattoo?  Are the follicles
>destroyed?  Any guidelines for shaving the intended site?  Do you have to shave
>the tattoo???

>Hey, maybe the hair can be incorporated into the artwork...

Well, of course I was shaved for the ankle tattoo and being my first
I too was curious how it would turn out (stay tuned for oh, 3-4 weeks?).
But I was told that the hair will grow back and based on my light
skin, would not be a problem (I guess because of the contrast?).  Looking
at the shaved tatoo now and comparing it to the hair around the area,
I think it will show up well enough and I've been thinking about
incorporating/ bastardizing a tribal band around my ankle with the yin yang.
That should give it even more contrast.

No, I won't shave the tattoo.

See Ya,

--
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jburney@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov   NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center 
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From: mel@Armstrong.EDU (Mel F. Buchheit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Ear piercings
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:40:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA

Hello netters!

I'm pretty new to this group and haven't seen this mentioned before, so
I hope someone out there can offer some advice.

I'm thinking about getting my upper left ear pierced, but am not sure
who to get to do it.  In my city, there is only the generic Mall store
piercers with the little guns.  I've had my ears pierced three times
already in these boutiques (a different one each time), and the guns
weren't that bad.  However, I've asked several people who've had the
cart. pierced and heard mixed reviews about having it done with the gun.

Is there anybody out there that has positive/negative comments?

I am headed to Atlanta this weekend, so is there anybody that could
recommend a place up there that would be good for getting my ear
pierced?

Thanks in advanced!
-- 
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Armstrong State College	       | to Hell, your mother is there waiting....
Savannah, GA		       | And she knows what you've done....
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: *Piercing Rings and Metal Detectors at airports*
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 23 Sep 92 09:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> Again, it depends on what particular alloy was used.  The *zippers*
-> on my motorcycle jacket (there are only 4, and they're small) set off
-> the detectors every time, while my steel-toe engineering boots only
-> sometimes set off the detectors.

 Some detectors only scan from about knees to shoulders.  Others scan
everything.


 If the Detector Ritual weren't so annoying, it'd be funny.  It exists
only to impress the citizens; for anyone serious about getting a weapon
on a plane it's only a minor inconvenience at best.
                                              
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: nnemer@next10.cs.umr.edu (Nicole Nemer)
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:13:27 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <1992Oct1.004350.12111@tc.cornell.edu>  
mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
> Yow! Sounds painful. 

It is painful at first.  But I have grown to enjoy it.  It is a feeling  
that I look forward to.  As a matter of fact, I am going this weekend to  
get a dragon on my back colored.  When I got the black work done, it was  
enjoyable for about the first 4 1/2 hours.  Then it got very hard to  
handle.  It is all in you mind.  I can make it feel good...

Good luck and remember :"Good tattoos aren't cheap...and cheap tattoos  
aren't good!"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Ear piercings
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:07:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Charnel House

mel@Armstrong.EDU (Mel F. Buchheit) writes:
: 
: I'm thinking about getting my upper left ear pierced, but am not sure
: who to get to do it.  In my city, there is only the generic Mall store
: piercers with the little guns.  I've had my ears pierced three times
: already in these boutiques (a different one each time), and the guns
: weren't that bad.  However, I've asked several people who've had the
: cart. pierced and heard mixed reviews about having it done with the gun.
: 
: Is there anybody out there that has positive/negative comments?

I had my upper ear pierced with a gun and it wasn't the right thing
to do.  No really because of the gun itself, which was fine, but
because it puts in a stud, which doesn't heal nearly as nicely as
a hoop.  If you have it pierced with a needle and get a ring put
in, it'll be much easier to clean, trust me.


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Subject: *PIERCING RINGS AND METAL
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 23 Sep 92 09:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet

to: *Piercing Rings and Metal Detectors at airports*

-> My question is, do metal detectors pick up nipple rings?  How big is

 It depends on how paranoid the security people are.  I've had to remove
my glasses, watch, belt, shoes (zippered), keys, and change to get
through before, while the uniforms went into attack mode.  Last month I
breezed through with probably five pounds of assorted ferrous metal and
the thing didn't even cough.
                                                                        
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: tragus
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:09:43 GMT

gonnella@scivax.stsci.edu writes:

>argh!  pardon my anatomical ignorance, but what is a tragus pierce?

The tragus is the bit of your ear that isn't the lobe but that you can
grab.  Stick your thumb in your ear, rotate until the palm faces forwards
around the axis of your wrist, now if you stick you toungue out and go
"thlrepbt!" and wiggle your fingers you will look like a cartoon.
Reach forward with your index finger and pinch the cartiliginous protuberance
resting against your thumb pad, say "tragus".
You got it!
-P.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:09:32 GMT

In article <BvG6zI.7tA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E.  
Beason) writes:
>What happens to hair growth in the area of the tattoo?  Are the follicles
>destroyed?  Any guidelines for shaving the intended site?  Do you have to  
shave
>the tattoo???
>
>Hey, maybe the hair can be incorporated into the artwork...

somehow a hairy portrait of Marilyn Monroe leaves me cold... now, a hairy
portrait of Michael Landon would be funny. (check out an early film-ography)

Now I'm pretty hairy, 'cept for the top of my head, and i can say that 
the detail of a tattoo goes away with the hair. (blackwork and black hair).

I have some celtic stepwork along the inside of my leg. when i got shaved
for tat #8, some of that first tattoo got shaved. no problem except that
i learned that the "loss in detail" over time was mostly due to hair, the
piece itself was fine. 

so...  try to stay away from detailed stuff if you have a lot of hair.

finally, on my legs there is no pattern to the hair (well, perhaps "down") but
it just sort of lays there. On my arms there is a pattern, on the top it
sweeps "down and out" and under it wraps around. 

anyways, the point is that there is a definate pattern and if i get anything
on my arms, I will need to follow those patterns. if i don't it will look like
flowered wallpaper which has been hung upside down.
--
Lance 
If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer? -- Steven Wright
From: bmr@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: labia piercings and shaving
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:40:40 GMT
Organization: Saint Sebastian's School for Wicked Girls

In article <130.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>
> Do any of those permanent hair removal schemes really work?  If so, why
>go through the hassle of shaving?  Just have the hair removed.
>                                                                                                                    

The only hair removal procedure that is *permanent* is electrolysis,
and even if one could find a licenced practitioner that was willing
to work on their labia, it would be so painful and so expensive
it hardly seems worth it.

How about just trimming the hair, rather than shaving it close? Seems
to me that would be fairly easy to do around a ring. Also much
more comfortable than shaving when it comes to the hair growing
back in. Either that, or get to like the hair. 

-Barb


        -----Barbara MacRae------------bmr@lenny.corp.sgi.com-----

                Women get bitchy, and men tell dumb jokes. 
                 It's nature's way of saying "stay away".
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