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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Hardwood Floors and Dogs
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:59:36 GMT


Slick surfaces are not good for *developing* dogs, especially large breeds.
Annie did her puppy running on a carpeted surface but we now live in a
place with all hardwood floors.  It's not the best situation, but doesn't
hurt her--but again she's not playing with another dog all day.  And, no,
even at 100 lbs., she doesn't scratch the floor.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Xmas Puppies (again) :-(
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:20:03 GMT

You'll never believe what *I* saw in the paper...

a local dog club had put a classified in the local paper in the PEts
classified section that said

A DOG ISN'T JUST FOR CHRISTMAS!

signed Local Club...

I was happy to see that...made my heart glad, now if it gets
through some folks heads, that's different, but someone is
TRYING...

Makes me sick too...I saw tons of the "will hold for Christmas"
ads...:(

Kay & Crew
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Toys...(was Re: Kong???)
Keywords: kong, retrieve
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.180506.5286@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons) writes:
>
>After reading this thread on Kongs, I wonder if anyone else has
>expereince with the "(almost) Indestructible Ball" from R.C.
>Steele.  I got one for McDuff the wonder Beardie.  He seems

[stuff deleted]


>Anyway, anbody else's comments on this toy would be greatly appreciated.
>(After the discussion on the Kong, it is on the list for the next R.C.
>Steele order ;-))

I bought one of these for my dogs a long time ago, and they *never*
liked it.  I tried filling it with sand or water to make it roll 
funny, but they just never liked to play with it.  In my case,
it is indistructable because it just sits in the yard. :-)

>
>David G. Simmons

[stuff deleted]

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From: susan@uvmark.uucp (Susan Todhunter - (JWT))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:54:31 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1gnjloINNrho@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (MollyNeff) writes:
>
>Jeez.  You guys are all so frivolous.  Don't you realize that the serious
>business of Retrieving must be carried on regardless of the weather?  

You guys retrieve?  Gee, I let my mommy do that.  She keeps reminding me that
I'm a golden RETRIEVER, but I just laugh.  She looks so funny when she throws
the ball and then runs after it!

Happy holidays,
Rusty

-- 

  Susan Todhunter
 
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs walking Dogs ?!?!?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:46:25 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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G. Scott Downey (scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com) wrote:

: I need some creative help breaking a habit that my
: Rottweiler has developed.  

: I recently adopted Job, my Lab, from the Humane 
: Society, and they require that the dog wears a 
: collar with identification and rabies vaccination 
: tags.  Moses (the Rottie) had never seen a collar 
: before, but I thought it was probably time to give 
: him one too.  (I had always been worried that it 
: would catch on something and hang him as a pup...)

: I looked out my kitchen window the other day to
: find that Moses had taken it upon himself to take
: Job for a walk.  Poor Job had the most defeated look 
: on his face.  Moses had Job's collar in his mouth and
: was prancing around the yard, pulling Job behind him.
: I walked out back to put an end to it, and Job just
: looked at me with those big, brown, sad eyes as if
: to say "Dad, you need to have a talk with Moses..."

: No one has been hurt -- at least not yet.  I named
: the Lab Job because of his patience, but I think that
: even the Job of the Bible would have raised a ruckus
: about this.  Legally, I *can't* remove the collar (per
: the adoption contract), so I have to find some way to
: make it an undesirable weapon in the unending power-play
: for the back yard.  All advice is very much appreciated.

Can you have Job tatooed?  Then he would have permanent identification.

Gaia used to do this to a neighbors lab.  Kelly wouldn't play right, so Gaia
tried to get her to run around.  I've found that different types of dogs
play differently according to what their ancestors were bred to do.  Since
Rotties were originally cattle dogs, some of them still retain instincts
in this direction.   Gaia's favorite playmates have all been herding dogs
who like to run around and do herding type things.  A friends 3 boxers
drove her nuts with their play, and then Gaia decided they weren't to play
with they were to herd.  She really loved it when they were in an
x-pen and she was out.  Gaia generally likes the way Rotties play, so
maybe Job just isn't playing right and Moses is trying to teach him.

Karen
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Eagle Dog Food
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:36:32 GMT


I was interested in it too until the pet store that I buy dog food from
said that Eagle has had a lot of problems with the FDA, where the nutritional
levels were not adequate.  I do not know if this is true.  Has anyone heard
anything about that?  (This may be a rumor.  Please do not consider this fact!)


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From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Joe Chew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Afraid of Storm Drains
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:45:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.152

> You would have a desensitization program.  

That's basically what I'm doing with Archer's fear of noisy machinery
and overhead motion.  (I think he decided early on that the breeder's 
garage door opener was the Puppy-Sucking Snorklewhacker.)  The other
day, for instance, we were walking be a parked diesel rig whose 
refrigerator motor (for the trailer) was running.  As we came alongside
it, he freaked.  Plainly this is a behavior we want to extinguish, not
only for the dog's sanity but also to avoid getting noticeably longer
arms -- a 70-lb. Doberman in full panic flight can yank the leash
pretty hard!  So I reeled him back in and made him sit next to the
terrifying device, talking to him and petting him and being conspicuously
unafraid of it myself.  After a few minutes of this, he wasn't exactly
fond of the machine, but he wasn't trying to get to the city limits in 
three jumps either.

In this case, it's a slow process because opportunities are pure
happenstance,
but it seems to be working.

Good luck,
Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: ALI00JEV@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Judith Van Noate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: want info on Australian Shepards
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:13:30 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In article <1733@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>
mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Dec14.222929.17201@cs.wisc.edu> worrall@scrap.ssec.wisc.edu
>(Thomas Worrall) writes:
>>Any owners or fanciers of Australian Shepards out there.  I am trying to
 
>>research the breed and our local library and kennel club have not much
>>information on them.  The local breeders I've talked to are farmers and
>>have different interests about their outdoor workers as opposed to our
>>indoor pet.
>>
> I couldn't find the address for the Australian Shepherd Club Of America (the
>"parent" club of the breed), but you should be able to get it from the AKC.
 
You can get the address for just about any breed club (national level)
from a large public or regional library, or from a local college
library.  Call the reference department and ask the librarian to look
in __Encyclopedia of Organizations__.  The address, phone number,
secretary's name, number of members, publications, ect. are listed.
Most large libraries should have this source.
Judith
 
>Also, the ASCA should have literature on the breed & club.
>
Tell the librarian Australian Shepherd Club of America, but I think
there are two clubs, you may want the address of both.
 
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From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:11:09 GMT


Well, here is an opinion on a possible breed for
hunting that meets some of the requirements....
the Basenji is a hunter.  It hunts very very well
by sight and can hunt by scent.  Basenjis hold Lure Coursing
titles as well as tracking titles (even though more in
Coursing).   But they also love being near people and are
really great house companions.  They're not the most
common of breeds used for modern day hunting but
the whole history of the Basenji is its use for hunting.

Where it doesn't meet your requirements is size:
The Basenji is around 25 lbs.  But this is alot of
dog in a small space.

Other things to consider:
	- Basenjis are fastidious about being clean; easy to housebreak
	- short hair with little shedding
	- hard to train since they're very intelligent,
		independent and stubborn -- but there
	        are Basenjis with CD and CDX titles.  
	- propably need atleast 30 min of exercise a day
	  Walks in the park on a flexi-lead  especailly
          near squirrels will keep the Basenji very happy. 
	  But sidewalks are good to since they'll have lots of
	  smells to keep them occupied.  Even though we
	  have a fenced yard, our Basenji still begs to go on walks.
	- The downside is if you don't exercise the Basenji,
	  your belongings are subject to frustration and
          boredom destruction.  They chew and chew when they're bored.
	- Most owners crate Basenjis when they're not home (see above).

We don't hunt with our Basenji, but we do course her.

If you're interested, I have more info on where you can find out more on
the breed -- just drop me an email note to 
cjsm@hogpa.att.com

-- Carol Mount

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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Dog searching and eating food off the counter when nobody at home
Keywords: dog, food, counter top
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:09:25 GMT


My dog only goes for the kitchen counters if she is *hungry*, in which
case I know she needs more food.

I trained her *off* the counters by setting mouse traps on them.  Works.
She learned her lesson.  So if she's "grazing", she's hungry.
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Welcome, Bianca
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:20:54 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu
Keywords: adult poodle, helpful hints wanted

In article <3501@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
> ...

>Enter my mother.  She spent about an hour with Bianca, and took her home.
>Bianca is absolutely gorgeous and sweet (and I don't even particularly like
>tiny dogs, as a class).  My mother is an experienced dog owner, but she's
>never taken an adult dog before.  So, I have some questions for all you
>experts:
>
>Bianca is very bonded to her breeder.  She did obviously hit it off well
>with my mother, but I wonder if anyone has any helpful hints for helping
>the bonding process.

What I've read is that the way to get a dog to bond to you is to work
with it.  If it's a hunting dog, take it hunting.  If it's a herding dog,
start herding.  Winifred Gibson Strickland (who bred and trained German
Shepherd Dogs for years) says that dogs bond to the one who trains them.

I'd suggest that your mother start in obedience as soon as possible.  I bet
that will do the trick!
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help!...Whining in Crate!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:42:14 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Anne P. Mitchell JD (shedevil@vix.com) wrote:

: Ack!...my copy of the Monks has vanished!..and we have a dog in a
: crate who is whining her fool head off.  Now, Tazi did this the first
: night, and then got over it, so it never became an issue, but *what*
: does one do if the dog continually whines while crated?  I *think*
: that I remember that one is supposed to do a harsh "No!" correction
: with a spray from a spray bottle...is that right?  [I'm not going to
: do anything, other than a "No!", until I get some feedback..I don't
: want to traumatize the poor thing, just quiet her down].

: -- 
Another method is to use  a shake can.  This oh-so-sophisticated
device is a soda can with some rocks or coins in it and duct tape
to seal the opening.  You throw it to the ground (preferably without the 
dog seeing you) as you say "No!"  Never throw it at the dog. The point is
to startle and distract. Only use it to correct one problem at a time.

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Dog names? (not a trivial question)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:24:28 GMT


My dog's names are all two sylable, ending in a and starting hard,
with the exception of Sipa.  Sipa's name is actually Chispa's Sipapu,
but I call him Sipa (SEE-pa).  My other dogs are Tasska and Queva (QUAY-va).
I generally name dogs with two sylables, and try and keep them from
sounding like one another.  This is important for me, as I may want to
issue a sledding command to only one dog.

I never have been very good at picking names for things.  What I usually
do is scan a map of the general area from which the dog originates (e.g,
Siberia for the Sibs and Alaska for the Mals).  I then find some place
names that I like the sound of, then play around with them until I
get a name I like.  For example, whenever I get another Mal, I would
like to name her Kianna, and probably call her Kia, after Kianna, Alaska
(I can't guarantee that I have spelled Kianna correctly, but you get
the idea).

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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Deer Whistles (was Re: Hearing ultrasound?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:36:42 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1gnh1iINNlde@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 21536@newshost.lanl.gov, srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:

>>I have these on my automobiles.  Mine are not electronic.  They
>>are very simple plastic devices that, when separated by the correct
>>distance on your car bumper, resonate at frequency that humans cannot
>>hear (when you are driving and forcing air through them).  They do seem 
>>to work for me.  The deer and elk that I see usually stop what they are 
>>doing and watch me intently.  This is how they are supposed to work.  The 
>>animals are sort of supposed to "freeze" and watch you go by, as opposed to 
>>spooking and darting out in front of you.  Unfortunately, deer and elk standing 
>>in the road just stand there and watch you (until you honk) :-) .
>>
>>They do not affect my dogs inside the automobile at all.
>>
>I've heard these devices do more harm than good, which your note seems to
>imply. I don't have the reference handy, but some state yanked them off
>their cruisers when they found the number of cruiser-deer collisions went
>*up* after employing these whistles! You want something to scare them away,
>not perk their interest - which is what they do.
>
>
>John
>

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that they do more harm than good.  In
my opinion, they do more good than harm.  I disagree that you
want something to scare the animal.  That is the whole point.  A scared
and confused animal will not necessarily "run away."  It may run right
into the path of the car.  Devices that "hold their attention" are better
in that the animal stops and watches you.  An animal standing in the middle
of the road is surely visible to a driver.  These are easy to avoid hitting.
Is the animals that run in front of you from the side of the road that
are the problem.  Devices like this, in my opinion, that freeze the
animal prevent this, to a certain degree.

My experience has been that they work.  I live in an area where there are loads
of elk and deer, as well as many other forms of wildlife such as bears,
coyotes, and so on.  I have never hit any of these animals.  Many people that
live in the same region have.  Most of the people that have hit animals that
I know of did not have devices like this.  These things are certainly not
fool-proof, and by no means a substitute for an alert driver, but I think they
help.

Just my 0.02.  Your millage may vary.

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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: How to arrange for a friends dog at your house 
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:29:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.154640.21435@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>We will be sitting Dexter for one week over Christmas.  Both dogs are
>indoor dogs and we are trying to decide how to handle the times
>that we have to leave the dogs alone.
>
>They get along pretty well although Dexter is a bit more energetic and
>Saavik seems to get annoyed with her at times (ignoring her, running
>from her).  Neither dog has shown agression towards the other.  Neither
>dog is crate trained.
>
>Are options are to let them have the main floor and hope nothing
>awful happens.  A second approach that my wife is favoring is
>putting Dexter in our spare bedroom - the same room that Dexter's
>owner has slept in on one occasion.  We would close the door
>so that the two dogs could not interact while we were away.
>
>Locking Dexter in the bedroom seems like a safer approach - and both
>dogs may appreciate their privacy.  Although I wouldn't want both
>dogs scratching at the door for hours while we were away.    

Based on what you have said here, I would not lock one dog away from
the other.  Dexter will probably tear the door up, trying to get to
his playmate.  If you are in doubt as to what to do, pretend to leave
them alone and sneak back and see what they are up to.  You may have
to be clever and elaborate, including driving away and walking back, but 
you should be able to sneak back and peek in a window or something to get 
an idea what they are up to.

[stuff deleted]

>-- 
>........................................................................
>Steve Anastasi	        "Give a man a fish, and you can feed him for
>smanastasi@mmm.com       a day.  Teach him to fish and you can tax him!"
>St. Paul, Minnesota                 - hey, I wrote it!

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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: BRO in MA
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:30:03 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: galaxy.think.com

I would appreciate it if anyone knowing of a BRO in my area
would forward me the details on how to contact them.  Our
pet passed away about half a year ago and I think it is about
time we made the effort to get another dog.

We are undecided with regard to the breed but we would prefer
short haired medium to large sized dogs over long haired ones.
On the other hand we would probably take in a long haired dog
if the chemistry was right.


	Shai
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Heidi where are you?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:23:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I have lost your e-mail address.  Could you please send it to
me and we can talk corgi?

Thanks, Evelyn
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Subject: Netiquette
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:49:00 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org's message of Sun, 13 Dec 92 09:41:00 -0800Lines: 24

For the benefit of those whose systems and/or net access prevents them from
being able to read net.announce.newusers before beginning to post, I quote from
the article titled "RULES OF NET USE"

	It is generally considered rude to post private e-mail correspondence
	without the permission of the author of that mail.  Furthermore, under
	copyright statutes, the author of the e-mail possesses a copyright on
	mail that he or she wrote; posting it to the net or mailing it on to
	others without permission of the author is likely a violation of that
	copyright as well as being rude.


Those of us who read rec.pets.dogs regularly would appreciate it very much if
everyone who choses to post to this group, from whatever gateway, would adhere
to these common standards.

Thank you.

Followups belong somewhere else. Don't know where.  Definitely not here.


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Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24228-knights)
Subject: Mushing Equipment Catalog/Info
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:27:56 GMT


I know somebody out there must have some info on where one can
obtain mushing equipment (do I hear Steve Lee's voice a-callin'?). :-)

What I'd really like to find out is how much the stuff costs,
where one can obtain it, etc.  An address for a mail-order
catalog would be peachy.  

Thanks much!


-----
Katriena Knights
"I don't mind being in touch with reality, as long as I don't 
have to live there."
From: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: fat bunny
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:18:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: geo.lbl.gov

My friend's rabbit Nikki is a lop mix. She has always had problems
with diarrea. If Nikki is given anything other than pellets and
hay, she gets awful diarrea. Nikki is also very fat looking. Her
body is *big* and *bigger* than it used to be (she is 3 years old.)
I don't know if rabbits can actually get fat and was wondering if
it is possible and if so, is it unhealthy. Nikki only gets half a
cup of rabbit pellets per day and some fresh alfalfa hay. That's
it - no treats (she doesn't like them anyway.) But, she doesn't
seem to be losing weight. And the diarrea problem is always there.
My friend has tried several types of pellets and has found some
that do the least damage. Well, what can I say... *help*!!
What is she doing wrong? Nikki seems happy despite all of this.
Jennifer and Lynda (and Nikki and Hamlet)