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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:37:12 HST
From:         Todd Mizomi <TODDM@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      A4000 compatability

        Has anyone found out what's compatible/not-compatible with the A4000
yet?  I'm trying to make a purchase decision here between getting a 4000 or
upgrading my 2000 to ECS and more.  I'd be very interested in any info at all
(Nov. AmigaWorld and Amazing Computing which FINALLY arrived weren't much
help)

Especially in the area of 3d animation.  Has anyone tested out Vistapro,
Imagine, Supergen genlock, etc?

Oh, and those of you that bought the 4000, which monitor did you buy?

Is anyone else thinking of buying an Amiga4000/3000/3000T/ right now?  I
could really use some help in deciding what to get....:-)
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 22:32:16 GMT
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WILSON@RPIECS.BITNET writes:

> The A-3000 does have a 2MB Agnus and space for 2MB of chip ram, but CBM
> configures the machine with 1MB of fast and 1MB of chip.  I think I know
> why they do this but, as I am not sure, I won't share this possibly
> miss-information.     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why not?  It never stopped anyone else around here :)
(Anyway, I want to know)

-Eyvind

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Date: 14 Oct 92 18:24:00 GMT
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>   I'm looking for a program to stop my drives from that god-awful
>clicking.  I've looked around some FTP sites but have failed to find
>out.  Maybe that's because you can't get too much of a description from
>the filename..  :-)  Anyway,  The only thing I really need is for it to
>use a minimal amount of memory, Like 1-2k at the most.  I also need full
>availability and functionality of my drives.  If such a beast exists,  can
>someone tell me about it?
>
>BTW:  Someone is using TCP/IP on an Amiga at my work.  I can find out the
>      details if anyone is interested..
>
>Andrew / Iby141@URIACC.URI.EDU

Andrew,
    The program to stop the annoying drive click is simply called no click.
I'm not sure if it's on FF, but it is PD.  It works fine for me and I have had
no compatibility problems from it.  Nor does it appear to change disk operation
in anyway, except for removing the click.  I have only used it under 1.3 so
does anyone else know if it's 2.0 compatible?

-Nyle
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:56:00 PDT
From:         Jamie Dunford <J.Dunford@LEEDS-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Amiga 1200

I've scouring Amiga lists for days looking for a spec. for the Amiga 1200, due
to be released in Germany and maybe Britain before Xmas.

Has anyone got any info about the new home computer model with the AA chipset?

please?

Jamie
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Subject: Re: NEC 3FGX monitor
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:52:00 GMT
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The de-interlace port is the DB15 (VGA compatable) connector on the back of the
machine. This port is labled 31Khz Video. The other connector is the 15Khz video
port. The 15Khz port is not connected to the de-interlace circuity.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:23:00 GMT
From:         "John B. Beck" <0005192416@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Good news

With regards to the NeXT, it hasn't had the success it probably deserves
in the business/corporate world (no matter how much money  Ross Perot
could pump into it). On page 52 of the current Information Week magazine
(October 5,1992) there is an article concerning NeXT. It talks about 3
deals - Chrysler Financial Corporation: 2,500 copies of NeXTStep 486,
Mobil Sales & Supply Corp. - a $3 million multiyear agreement that
involves buying 400 NeXTStations in the next 18 months, McCaw Cellular -
the largest U.S. provider of cellular telephone service: will install
several thousand NeXT workstations over the next 3 to 5 years. I just
thought I would add my 10 cents worth.

                       John B. Beck
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:02 EST
From:         BBOWLES <bbowles@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Satan's Abysmal Hell

          Yes, as a matter of fact.  I have a 386, 25 Mhz machine and
          a A2000, 25 Mhz.  I used PCTask to run a couple of utilities
          on my amiga that I had for my 386.  The Amiga at least
          looked to run the programs at twice the speed of the 386.
          Since I don't have a lot of time to waste I now run most of
          my I*M software on my Amiga.  I just don't have time to wait
          for the PC to get a round 2 it!


                                              Brian Bowles
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:46:16 -0600
From:         "An Incarnation of Deva Winblood" <STU529655672@WSC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Greetings from the author of Misinformation *laugh*

Hello everyone,

        I had origionally intended to post a revised information based on
the information, criticisms, and corrections I received. I will still do this,
but I have received so much information, that the document will at least
triple in size, and I will revise it and post it as soon as everything is
organized. I was flamed so much, I am gathering as many sources as possible.

Thank you people for your corrections.

I have realized that a wonderful way to write an incredible research paper
would be to post it to an English listserv as a genuine finnished document,
because by the time you got through all the flames, you would have an
iron clad paper.

Thank you again, you people have not failed me yet. Sorry, if you
think I have failed you... But unlike some religious figures... I still
remember I am human, thus fallible.


Seizure later,

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From:         "(Evrard E.)" <eevrard@VUB.AC.BE>
Subject:      Re: A1200
              92 11:03

>
> A mention of an A1200 model was in the initial messages about the A4000
>but nothing else. Does anyone know anything about it? Release date? price? cpu?
>other specs? thank you
>
> fraser50@snypotva
>

A couple of days ago I bought the French magazine "Amiga Revue" an if I
remember well they said that a cheap A4000 with only an 68030 in it would
be released in the next months. Apart from the processor it would have
the same specs as the "real" A4000. And it would be very cheap.

Pres
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:27:34 EDT
From:         Paul O'Flynn <oflynn_p@CSVAX1.UCC.IE>
Subject:      RE: broken 68000 = guru ???

>I had 512chip+512fast in the A500 and 2meg in the A590 and didn't discovered
>anything strange. Then I upgraded to 2.0 (I had warrenty so I didn't made the
>upgrade myself) and asked them to change (cut and solder) to 1 meg chip at
>the same time, so I shouldn't loose my warrenty.
>And the problem started after that! I suspected it was incompatible (sp?)
>problems with 1.3/2.0 but I have tried different programs that I know
>works on other 2.0-Amigas...

I originally had a boring A500 half meg fast, half meg chip. I then installed a
switch to allow me to switch between half chip and 1 meg chip. This caused a
few minor problems with some crappily coded games but nothing serious. (I also
installed a 60Hz/50Hz switch, dead handy for strecthing all those annoying NTSC
games etc.). I have recently upgraded to KS 2.0 and have yet to come across any
serious problems. I suspect the crowd in the shop where you got your
modifications done pawed a memory chip a bit too much and damaged it.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Good Luck,

        Paul.

Coolest quote I have ever read re. the crappiness of the pc:

"The only way to make MS DOS multitask is to run Ibem twice on the Amiga!".
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:13:00 EST
From:         doleckma <DOLECKMA@SNYALFVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Industrial Color Labs in Syr.

Could someone send me the directions for getting to Industrial Color Labs
in Syracuse?  I have to speak at a Computer Security lecture next week
and I will be there a couple of days.  I would like to scout out a few
things before WOC in Toronto this December...

Thanks in advance,
Mark Dolecki    Computer Specialist -- Alfred Tech      doleckma@snyalfva
                doleckma@snyalfva.cc.alfredtech.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:29:00 EDT
From:         DELANEYD@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A4000

Robert,

>I figure I would wait until the A4000 comes out and buy a A3000 (since
>prices shold drop). Now keep in mind I am poor and can be happy if

        Well, I just might have a solution for you.  As it happens, I am making
a decision I will probably regret-- I have to sell my ami.  It is a A3000 16/50.
It is in _perfect_ condition as it has been my baby (I got it after trading up
from a 500 to a 2000 to my current 3000).  I am forced to sell as I am a medical
student and am involved in developing medical software on d*s machines in the
windowns envt.  I need more speed than the current bridgeboards can offer--
plus they are really expensive once you add in a decent SVGA card.  Anyway,
being a student as well, I can't afford both.  So, I will bow out of the amiga
community for now.  By the time we finish with these projects, hopefully the
superchipset will be out and I can come back home :-)  Anyway, enough of my
troubles.  If you are interested, you can pick up my system for far less than
you were apparently expecting (prices have indeed greatly dropped).

My baby:        A3000 16/50   2meg chip
                              4MB Scram (60ns!)
                              ---------
                              6MB total

        I have all the original manuals, packaging, docs, and amigavision as
well as a HD full of the latest, best PD.  The system is 1yr 4months old. As
was the case then, the 2.04 rom is loaded into ram.  So, you lose 0.5meg but
have a much faster WB (which is why I never bothered to shell out the $45 for
the final rom).  Note the 16MHz model of the A3000 when upgraded with an 040
board has identical performance to the 25MHz model with the same 040.  There is
a jumper on the motherboard for this purpose.  (this is as per dave haynie, the
3000s designer).  So, in that respect, it is very nice to save a few $ but have
the same end potential.  I know, quite babbling, how much is it going to run me?
        Well, with the money you were apparently planning to scrap together, you
can get my system and have enough left over to buy opalvision (w/i $50 or so).
I would like $ 1,050.00   Additionally, I have a panasync 1381i multiscan
monitor that I might be selling as well.  If I do, you can have it for $230.
It is only 10months old (I endured 6M of flicker on my old 1084 before I got
sick enough of it to spring the extra dollars.  It is well worth it.  Nice,
steady, sharp display.)   Anyway, everything is immaculate and in perfect
condition.  This offer is to you or anyone else on I-amiga

        ->dave

PS I notice you are at rutgers.  I will be down in the downstate region at
thanksgiving and might be able to meet you for hand delivery as I will be
right on the jersey border.

David Delaney
college of medicine
State University of New York
Health Science Center, Syracuse
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:26:08 -0400
From:         "Daniel S. Riley" <dsr@LNS598.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A4000 test drive

"(Arc Wave)" <arc@JUDY.INDSTATE.EDU> writes:
>  Hard drive seemed fast, and for some reason so did the floppy drive
>  (somewhat, maybe I am dreaming about the floppy speed).

Two possibilities.  If the floppy was formatted specifically for 3.0, it
may have used the directory cache filesystem, which speeds up simple
directory operations on floppies.  Also, if you were browsing around in
the ASL filerequester, note that both the 2.1 and 3.0 ASL file requesters
are *tons* faster than the 2.04 version.  However, actual transfer speeds
from the floppy wouldn't be any faster than previous versions.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:09:25 -0400
From:         "Daniel S. Riley" <dsr@LNS598.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Some Information I compiled and sent to misinformed people.

"(METAL MASTER! VIE Creator, Ancient and prolonged procrastinator)"
<STU521530304@WSC.COLORADO.EDU> writes:

>Amiga 500 -  (Developed in 85' or 86')
>Amiga 2000 - (Developed in 85' or 86')

If you count the A1000 as "development" for the A500 and A2000, I suppose
that's true.  More useful is the release dates--late '85 for the A1000, and
early '87 (I believe...) for the A500 and A2000.

>                             and is really nice. I believe they also give
>                             an adapter with the A500 to hook it to a
>                             Television set.

I believe the A500 has a monochrome composite video out, with luminance from
a weighted average of the colors, and no chroma.  The idea was that you could
buy a cheap long-persistence composite monitor and use it in interlace mode.
But most people that buy an Amiga want color, so it never caught on.

The A1000 had a built in color composite video out.

>Amiga 3000 - (Developed in 90')
>          BASE MACHINE = 16MHz     1 3 1/2" Drive    3 MEGS of Memory

I believe the 16 MHz model is no longer produced (and the 25 MHz model
is currently cheaper than the lowest price the 16 MHz model was ever
listed at).

>                         this upon purchase usually. I think they may come
>                         with Hard Drives,

Yes, all A3000's come with at least a 50 MB hard drive.

>Amiga 600 - (Developed in 92')
>                         it is 16 or 25MHz...

Nope, same speed as the A500.  It's basically a cost-reduced A500.

>Amiga 1000 - (Developed in 85'  The first amiga)
>            It is similar to the 500 and 2000 series, but they made
 improvements
>            by the 500 and 2000 so, it is better just to get a 500.

I still think the A1000 was a far superior design, but it is true that
upgrading one to current standards is not a job for the faint of heart
or solder-phobic.

>A3000      - $2000 + for base package...

Current price is more like $1500 (although that is a special offer)

>called Cooperative multi-tasking. IBMs attempts at multi-tasking though
>they have been miserable have been in the Cooperative branch also.

OS/2 is preemptive.  But you probably don't want to try running OS/2 2.0
on a low end machine.  Same for (vapor) Windows NT.

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From: LANDAS88@SNYPOTVA.BITNET (The Large Guy with Buckwheat's Hair.)
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Subject: Re: broken 68000 = guru ???
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:42:00 GMT
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>>Sorry, broken is perhaps wrong word here, mal-function (sp?) is
>>that the right word ? I mean if something is wrong so it only works
>>99.9% of what it should ? So I always get the 0.01% and gets a guru
>>because of that ?
>>As I said, I've only heard it as a rumour, and was hopeing (sp?)
>>that it could be the reason to all my gurus....
>
>If the 68000 works 99.9%. What do you mean that only 99.9% of the instructions
>don't work at all or that 99.9% of the time the processor is doing nothing.
>
>>>>Are there any test-program that I can run to see if everything
>>>>(=68000) is OK ???
>>>The 68000 doesn't work? ==> No program at all runs.
>>But if it only works to 99.9% ? :-)
>
>If the 68000 works only 99.9% then the 68000 NOT doesn't work so
>you may NOT conclude "No program runs at all" e.g.:
>
>a ==> b
>but not a. You may not conclude b.
>a and b are premisses.
>
>
>Frank
>
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I don't know exactly how this question is attempting to be asked or answered,
but if you believe you have a problem with the 68000 and you have a friend with
an Amiga.  You might try swapping his 68000 for your 68000.  Note: I claim no
responsibility if you mess up and don't insert it correctly.!!!!!!!!!!

Keep pin1 where pin1 belongs.

-Nyle

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From:         "Daniel S. Riley" <dsr@LNS598.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: DICE

AUBERT@FRFLU51.bitnet writes:
>  - 1.3 and 2.04 include files, and related libraries (amiga.o,c.o,...)

I believe the registered version of DICE now comes with the 2.04 include
files.  You can write 1.3 programs with the 2.04 includes, as long as you
don't use any new 2.04 features, so you probably don't need both sets of
includes.

>  - ANSI compatibility

Both are pretty good on this count.

>  - Linkable libraries: somewhere you put your most often used objects (.o) and
>    thing. Does DICE can do this? Att: I DON'T WANT TO BUILT A RUNTIME
>    LIBRARY. Something like a ranlib on UNIX.

DICE supports the original AmigaDOS library format, which is a simple
catenation of object modules (you can create 'em with the join command,
if necessary).  SAS does have a more sophisticated system that adds an
index to the library (same idea as ranlib), which is faster, but doesn't
have any other advantages (the AmigaDOS, SAS and DICE linkers all make
multiple passes through each library, so you don't have the ordering
problems within a library that you do with Unix libraries that have not
been ranlib'ed--so you don't need lorder and tsort or anything like that).

>  - 68000 or 68030 generated codes.

Yes for SAS, I believe yes for DICE.

>  - make command (dmake,bmake,lmk,...) as much as possible UNIX like.

Neither scores really well on this one.  The SAS lmk/smake command is
somewhat like make, but has some really annoying incompatibilities.
dmake is one of these Matt Dillon "we can make it better, more powerful
than it was before" deals--it is more powerful, but it is also incompatible
in many subtle and not so subtle ways.  I tend to keep a few PD makes
around for when I need compatibility with Unix make.

>  - compilation options as much as possible UNIX like.

DICE probably scores better than SAS here.  For previous versions of
SAS, I've used some variant of the cc command written by Fred Fish,
as modified by Mike Meyer, but I probably won't for SAS v6.  For
Unix compatible things, I mostly use gcc these days.

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