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From: hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran)
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "A Man Alone"
Organization: NSWC White Oak
	<rawdon.728158927@cs.wisc.edu> <1993Jan27.200249.20225@darwin.sura.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:55:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.200249.20225@darwin.sura.net> nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:
   In <HMORAN.93Jan25103538@nswc-wo.?> hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran) writes:
   >In article <rawdon.727919914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

   >   Certainly, "A Man Alone" had its problems.  For instance, the cloning
   >   premise ran afoul of the usual problems that SF TV has with clones - why
   >   would they be created fully-grown, and why would they have any memories
       or
   >   personality when created?  (Ibudan's murdered clone didn't look like a
   >   gibbering idiot, after all.)

   >As for the memories/personality/gibbering idiot - we only saw the clone in
   >the holoroom for a moment or so and all that was seen was a presumptive 
    male
   >adult experiencing the pleasure of a massage; no memories or personality 
    was
   >needed here, only the basic pleasure/pain response set we (and Bajorans) 
    are
   >born with.  Essentially, we might be seeing Ibudan kill...a child!

   What no one seems to remember is the we *didn't* only see the clone when
   he was getting a massage.  Am I the only one who remembers the conflict
   in Quark's gambling hall?  He was an obviously fully functional human
   being -- fully functional enough to have not only a physical but a
   verbal fight with Odo.

    /////               \    Deborah J. Nunn       | Snail mail:

But you are assuming that the Ibudan that confronted Odo in the casino was
the clone, not the original.  There is no evidence that this was the case.

hmoran@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:53:54 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: COULD KIRA BE ANY HOTTER?
Distribution: world
 <93027.032202DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <27JAN199310192397@csa2.lbl.gov>


    The plot thickens! Here's more news from
    Lynchburg College....I've been told I
    should "be prepared for more trouble".


In response to your outrageous flame of a flame on the bulletin board,
leave lynchburg college out of this.  We have a few thousand people here
and only one hot head can give us a bad name. Unfortunately, Mr. Coleman
got out of hand when his comment was affronted on the bulletin board.  Had you
done it through email, he may not have went off on you. He plans to respond soon
so be prepared for more trouble.

                                Parrish@acavax.lynchburg.edu!


    I'd like to apologize if I offended anybody at Lynchburg
    College.  I have never heard of the place, so I know
    nothing about it.  Furthermore, I don't think a place
    deserves to get a bad name even if they are represented
    by a "hot head", as you put it.  If this were true, a
    lot of places would be in trouble.

    Also, my comment referred to "some of the people"
    on the net and did not reference "Mr.Coleman"
    personally.  However, he took it personally, it
    seems.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Canon and Non-Canon
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:58:36 GMT

In <N4coXB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma) writes:
>> >Gene Roddenberry decided.  His list includes all episodes of TOS and TNG, 
>> >all movies except the Final Frontier, and the TNG Tech Manual.

>> Actually, I beleive he never 'accepted' II-IV as Canon.

>What leads you to believe that?

It's been claimed that Roddenberry said flat-out that no movies except the
first were canon.  This might lead one to believe that he never accepted the
later films as canon. :-)

However, Richard Arnold later claimed that either Roddenberry said no such
thing, or he changed his mind.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"I think that (one of) TNG's problems is that it considers lacking action,
 humor and character interplay to be interchangable with cerebral (just like
 it often considers civility and lack of conflict interchangable with
 friendship)."
			- Atsushi Kanamori on rec.arts.startrek, 7 July 1991
From: Bob_Hearn@qm.claris.com (Robert Hearn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN's comet: goofy or what?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:35:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Spartacus Software

In article <1jnn6bINNiao@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, srivastk@egr.msu.edu (Aseem
Ku Srivastava) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan19.152029.1587@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
> >What's with that dang comet in the opening credits?
> >No one seems to have commented on it, but I think it looks kind of dorky...
> >-- 
> >Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
> >                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
> 
> 
> Personally, I quite like the comet..... (IMHO, of course)
> 
> -Aseem


What's wrong with it is that it's not pointed at the sun!  (At least, it
looks that way.)  A comet's tail always points directly AWAY from its sun,
and doesn't exist visibly if it's not within a few AU of it.

Bob Hearn
Spartacus Software

Opinions expressed here are those of my empolyer, since that's me.
From: mss1@cornell.edu (Michael S. Shappe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:DS9
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.tv
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:21:13 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uncle-mikey.cit.cornell.edu

In article <3ZHZXB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
> 
> Question of the day:
> 
>    Doesn't DS9 kind of reminds you of the UN intervening and helping out some
> countries?

I'm fairly sure that's part of the point. It shows the Federation doing
something other than just aimlessly wandering around 'exploring'. And I put
that in quotes because 'exploration' implies a systematic program of
discovery; what TNG most often does (and TOS most often did) is kind of
wander around bumping into things...:-)


Uncle Mikey
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: This Kira List Nonsense
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:14:02 GMT

In article <90551@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> hroth@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Harris Roth) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.233123.28709@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>>
>>I completely agree. Add me to the list of people who want to see the "Kira
>>list" taken to e-mail.
>>
>Wonderful!  Post a message asking to be added to a list of people who want
>posts about another list taken to e-mail.
>
>Doctor, you are being most illogical!

And you have no sense of humor. It was a JOKE! Look in the dictionary, under
"J". 

I do, however, want the "Kira list" banished from r.a.s.*...


-- 
"Dr. McCoy, would you do me the very great honor of eating my shorts?" -Spock
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From: dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson)
Subject: Re: DSN:Man Alone - *MINOR SPOILER* Was that who I think it was? 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:01:11 GMT

In article <malinon.727683022@vincent2.iastate.edu> malinon@iastate.edu (Ramon C Redondo) writes:

>   Was the person that played the murderer in disguise Sean Connery?

>   Someone please look back at a tape... I know that it wasn't in the credits
>   but I was POSITIVE that it was him (pay special attention to the confrontation
>   that is the best view...)

Nahh... couldn't be!  I remember reading (or hearing) somewhere that
Connery was paid several million dollars for his brief cameo at the
end of "Robin Hood-Prince of Theives."  The whole scene he was in
lasted at 30 seconds or so... 

I doubt the DS9 people have that much money to waste!

Andy Dickinson   [----------------------------] dickia@rpi.edu [{<---+++--->}]
271 Lark St. #3, Albany, NY 12210  [--------] 	(518) 426 - 7907  *#*#*#*#*#*#*
<><><><> This .sig left intentionally uninteresting due to the lack of anything
really clever or unique I could think of to put in its place..... =+=+=+=+=+=+
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Funniest TNG (was Re: WORST EPISODE)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:44:03 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1k1e2gINNsfr@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>In article <C1EzJ5.E4J@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes of the comedic virtues of "Q'pid" <deleted to save bandwidth>.
>
>I just about fell over laughing when the scene cut from Deanna's shocked
>look during archery practice to Data calmly extracting an arrow from his
>chest.  Truly this was the funniest TNG episode, and I thought it rivaled
>the TOS classic "The Trouble With Tribbles" - not quite as downright silly,
>but with tongue firmly embedded in cheek.
>
And the main reason for putting that episode out was to beat the Robin Hood
hype that was prevalent at the time... TNG was the first one to get their
version on the air that year...


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From: parrish@acavax.lynchburg.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 7th season it?
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:49:09 -0500
Organization: Lynchburg College

Does any one know of any other sources aside from USA Today that have claimed
that the 7th season of ST:TNG will be its last?
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:32:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan22.223907.23264@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> jackson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>  But far and away, this one takes the gold:
>
>  Gold:  To Q, "True-Q" -- Q, in his own special way, lets us know what
>         he thinks of Dr. Crusher without annoying the censors.
>
>         It was funniest the first time because it was so unexpected.  If
>         I hadn't already been lying down, I'd have been on the floor. 

Nahh.  The funniest scene was the last one in Deja Q, just one classic
moment after another.
Q arriving, power restored, blowing a trumpet in a mariachi(sp?) band,
handing babes to Riker, who rejects them with Q saying he was more fun
  before the beard.
Making Data laugh.
Giving a cigar to Picard and then returning briefly in it's smoke puff.
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Why should DSN be removed from startrek current?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:36:11 GMT

>In article <C16Hxw.ACE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, spock@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott) writes...
>>	Why does eveyone want DSN moved out of startrek current? Afterall DSN is

In article <21JAN199311590172@rosie.uh.edu> st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
>This is not any kind of flame.  It's just that when "startrek.current" was 
>created there was only one startrek.  DS9 ("They call it "DS9" on the show,
>so I'm going to use DS9) didn't exist.

Not so.  There was STVI coming up as well, and acknowledgement that
there probably would be other ST television shows coming up in the
future.

>I feel it would be better to have
>
>   startrek.ds9.reviews
>   startrek.ds9.current
>   startrek.tng.reviews
>   startrek.tng.current

If we did that, what would we do at the point where TNG is not made
anymore?  We would have a newsgroup with no reason for living.

>                                                                   Now, one
>other alternative that I would support would be to adopt the prefix format 
>used in many other newsgroups.

>I would propose as an alternative to new newsgroups
>
>  DS9: title of article  (deep space 9)
>  TNG: title of article  (Next Generation)
>  DSN: title of article  (deep space 9 alternative)
>  title of article       (current misc like "Deforest Kelly is Dead")

This last item shouldn't even belong in rec.arts.startrek.current .
It would be no better if we had multiple "current" groups.  I prefer
the no-new-newsgroups, use-the-prefix method.

>In any case, I believe the current system will collapse after we have a couple
>good, controversial episodes on both shows in the same week.
>Comments welcome, I'll pass on the flames though.

It won't collapse, but if we leave the newsgroups alone (and do something
we can change immediately) we won't have to add anymore newsgroups.
Self-restraint is the watchword!
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: tcollicutt@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Galley?
Reply-To: tcollicutt@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:46:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.002603.22917@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel) w>---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      Now on to something else.  Was watching StarTrekVI on HBO and noticed
>   many scenes in and about the Enterprise's Galley.  For example when Kim
>  Catrall(sp?) fired the phaser at the pot of ????? and vaporised it.
>
>    ???? Since when do we have a Galley?  I though we got our food from the
>  replicators.  Even in STOS they used to get their food from the replicators,
> even though it looked like little green and red colored balls.
>
>  Have they decided to go back to preparing large meals for everyone?

             In STOS, they did indeed have a galley.  I don't have the name
of the exact episode on hand, but someone out there probably has.  I seem to
remember an episode where Kirk got a call, while on the bridge, to the effect
that what went into the ovens was not what came out.  It could have been 
meatloaf turning into turkey.  Anyone remember the title?
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The last season of ST: TNG
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <C17Jrn.5rD@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, louzon@aplcenmp (Louzon ronald g 410-765-4049) writes:
>Well, its official:
>
>In USA Today

Of course, we all know what a fine source of hard journalism *they* are.

today there is an article saying that next season is the
>last for ST:TNG and that afterwards it will be going to the big screen.

-- 
You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and
sound but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose boundaries are that of
imagination.  That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop -- the Twilight Zone!
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From: villard@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (EXCUSE ME????)
Subject: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Holland College - Charlottetown PEI
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:01:00 GMT


Before I say anything, I wish to express the fact that I am a die hard 
Star Trek fan and always will be, so this is not just a cheap shot, 
How come almost every single alien on the Star Trek series are 
humanoid.  What makes anyone think that every single life form in the 
universe has to be a variation of the humanoid form.  I know I'll get 
lots of mail burning me saying, so and so was a blob or the like, I 
don't care, the majority of aliens are physically humaniod, (ie, 
klingons, bjoran(sp?), cardasian(sp?), even the ferengi(sp?), 
although they are ugly, are humanoid.  

There is the obvious fact that people can relate better to humanoid 
forms but please, enough is enough, 

BTW if I see Riker strut of by turning sideways, leaning forward, and 
prancing off, I think I will die of laughter, does anyone else notice 
this?

Please e-mail me with your comments, I am ready to hear them.
e-mail me at VILLARD@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca
Kent Villard
Holland College
From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajorans use Macintoshes!
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:47:32 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <C17wCD.2nB@cup.hp.com>, jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) writes:
|> William L Moore (wlm10@cd.amdahl.com) wrote:
|> : I watched "Past Prologue" again last night.  In a brief scene, Kira 
|> : is reading a "Bajoran Intelligence Net" file on a computer screen.  
|> : We can clearly see that the screen font is . . . Chicago!  The 
|> : default system font on the Macintosh!  (I typed the same text on a 
|> : Mac and compared.  No doubt about it.)
|> 
|> Unless the computer equipment and its system software (like much of
|> the DS9 station) are Cardassian leftovers.  Apple's marketing and
|> sales staff would work well with Cardassians... actually, they
|> probably _are_ Cardassians.
|> 
|> : This raises a multitude of questions about the computer of choice in 
|> : the 24th century.  I'll betcha Klingons use PCs.
|> 
|> Whereas the main computer systems on Federation starships are supplied
|> by Hewlett-Packard -- except for that flakey and troublesome holodeck
|> subsystem, which is from Sun, of course :)
|> 
|> Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
|> (that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
|> jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
|> 
|> 

Hey, I like HP (even though I work for the competition), but Sun couldn't
create a holodeck if they're engineers ran into the holodeck, painted a bunch
of systems, and stacked them up to look like the program, unless your program
was black and white...  

Mandatory plug follows.

PS. I saw 'The Nth Degree' last night, the 'Neural Scanner' Barclay built
must've been done on an SGI (Silicon Graphics).

Hey, did you know all the special effects are done on SGI's, except the bridge station
displays, which are done on Amiga's (Load knows why..).

Had to do it.


PS. I don't speak for anyone in any official capacity.


Good Day, mikesteg
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: e-mail version of pocket books guidelines
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: looking for pocket books guidelines
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:08:34 GMT

 	Someone posted here a little while ago that they would e-mail the
new Pocket books guidelines to whomever asked, but I have lost the poster's
e-mail address. If anyone has it, please send it to me, or if you revieved
the guidelines, please e-mail me a copy.  Thanks.

**************************************************************************

		Just a small grovel from ruderg@rpi.edu
			Gregory A. Ruderman
			AKA Dooley.the.Mauve

	"Why is anything we don't understand always called a 'thing'?"
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From: x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: KIRA AND DAX ARE TOO GORGEOUS!!!!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:36:31 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

To whoever's reading out there, put me on that list of people who think that
Kira and Dax are about the hottest items ever to inhabit a run-down piece o'
shit space station! Even if the story's don't get better than "Past Prologue,"
I'll keep watching just to get a look at Kira's hooters or Dax's "lizard Skin,"
which I think is kind of sexy, in a way.

 -Karl Anderson, WMU




"You wanted to frighten us? We're frightened. You wanted to show us we were
inferior? Right now,I cry at that. You want me to say 'I Need You?' I NEED
YOU!"  -  Picard to Q in "Q Who?"
"It took a big man to admit that. Another man would have rather died than said
those words."  -  Q's reply to Picard
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Music == BLECH
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Tue, 19 Jan 1993 02:48:00 -0500, John Trivelli <jt2n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

JT>I actually hate the theme. Banal, boring, reflective of the fact that
JT>DS9 wont be around for more than 2 seasons! AND, more importantly,
JT>wont develop a cult following like TOS. Its a fanfare with bogus
JT>sophistication that tries to appeal to everyone, even in the face of the fact
JT>that shows like this vanish into obscurity very quickly.

Just like TNG vanished into obscurity very quickly?


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