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From: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk (P.Owens,C20,3492)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: Traffic Police (was Rear End Drivers etc)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:08:45 GMT
Reply-To: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsx.dl.ac.uk


 
TREHARAJ@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk writes:

> Suddenly a car appeared on my arse, as close
> close as it could get. I had no intention of increasing my speed and there
> were no gaps in the middle lane I could use. Then I noticed the car behind me
> was sporting a blue flashing light, the idiot wanted me to pull over.
> It took some time to get over to the hard shoulder as you can imagine. The
> police checked my documents and asked how many lanes I thought there were on
> a motorway and wanted to know why I hadn't let them past. I was annoyed to
> say the least, my response was that I felt that endangering my life by pulling
> into a gap I'd have had a job parking in wasn't a risk worth taking to allow
> some policeman to get home for his tea.

I was once stopped by the police in an even more dangerous situation - INSIDE
the Mersey tunnel - just to tell me I had forgotten to switch my lights off.
I assume there is a good reason for this regulation (Does it make it ilegal
to drive a volvo through the tunnel :-)), but they could have waited till I 
got to the toll booth.
---
Pete Owens
P.Owens@daresbury.ac.uk
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:29:03 GMT
Followup-To: uk.transport
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <930108.154956.4F1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>> In article <14072@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, nwp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Nick Phillips)
>> writes:
>> > In
>> > respect of transport, I would like to see a subsidised and efficient
>> > (ha ha) service, which provides everyone with what they need.
>> 
>> That'd be nice, but in libertarian terms I'd be called selfish for wanting
>> to help others.
> 
> No, not at all.  You'd only be called selfish if you wanted to "help" others
> using their money, without their consent.  Regardless of what sort of "help"
> it is.
> 
> Remember "Brazil"?  Citizens are helpfully assisted in recalling information
> vital to their personal security, and that of other citizens and the state.
> Naturally they are required to pay for the electricity used by the Ministry
> of Information in helping them in this way.  All for the public good, of
> course.  Is not prevention of terrorism as good a cause as funding public
> transport?

Not when it involves torture etc, you know damn well that people on this
net advocating such things as the NHS do not see the NHS in the same light is
oppressive governments and torture, such arguments as this do you and your
cause no good at all. This is not the first time you've posted stuff in this
vain, please drop it. It is stupid.
> 
> 
> mathew
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Newsgroups: uk.transport
From: Grahame@gbd.demon.co.uk (Grahame Davies)
Subject: Re: Speed trap cameras in London 
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:41:36 +0000

In article <930911190920@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> TREHARAJ@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk writes:

>Andy Crocker writes:
>
>>Here is a list of some of the speed trap cameras in London.
>>
>>
>>
>>etc
>>
>Am I to assume your trying to help us avoid being _caught_ speeding?
>
>Andy T.
>
It was just a public service announcement I guess.....:)
Grahame
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:36:58 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
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snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>In article <930108.154956.4F1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, 
>mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>> No, not at all.  You'd only be called selfish if you wanted to "help" others
>> using their money, without their consent.  Regardless of what sort of
>> "help" it is.
>> 
>> Remember "Brazil"?  Citizens are helpfully assisted in recalling information
>> vital to their personal security, and that of other citizens and the state.
>> Naturally they are required to pay for the electricity used by the Ministry
>> of Information in helping them in this way.  All for the public good, of
>> course.  Is not prevention of terrorism as good a cause as funding public
>> transport?
> 
> Not when it involves torture etc, you know damn well that people on this
> net advocating such things as the NHS do not see the NHS in the same light is
> oppressive governments and torture

You grabbed the wrong end of the stick.  The point wasn't the torture, it was
that the citizens had to pay for all the costs of their interrogation,
including the bureaucracy.  Am I to take it that if they weren't actually
tortured, but merely had their money siezed, you would find the setup
reasonable?

For instance, if the police decide to investigate you, do you think it's
reasonable that you should be compelled to pay for the investigation
yourself?  It's for your own good and the good of the country.


mathew
From: jonh@CIS.Prime.COM (Jon Huxtable)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: No lights
Keywords: lights
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:40:36 GMT
Reply-To: jonh@CIS.Prime.COM
Distribution: uk
Organization: Computervision R&D Ltd

Yesterday afternoon I was travelling on the M4 in high winds and driving rain,
the spray made the visibility extremely poor. I was following a police
car in the middle lane at about 60mph. An idiot overtook both of us 
in the outside lane at around 80mph WITH NO LIGHTS at all. To my
amazement the police car continued at the same speed and took no
action.

Does anybody know whether it's illegal to drive in bad conditions
without lights; and if it isn't - should it be? IMHO the driver in
this case was guilty of careless driving at the very least.

Jon

------------------------------------------------------
Jon Huxtable  jonh@CIS.Prime.COM
Computervision R&D, Harston, Cambridge
All opinions expressed are my own.
From: ercm20@festival.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: No lights
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:15:34 GMT
Distribution: uk

jonh@CIS.Prime.COM (Jon Huxtable) writes:
> Does anybody know whether it's illegal to drive in bad conditions
> without lights; and if it isn't - should it be? IMHO the driver in
> this case was guilty of careless driving at the very least.

It is illegal to drive without dipped headlights in conditions of poor
visibility, including rain and road spray, in the day time.  It has been
for about 10 or 15 years.  The police car *may* have radioed a chum
rather than making a dangerous chase, but I'm just pointing out that you
don't know what the police did, not that I think it's particularly
likely. 

Sam
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: VIZspeak - What is frottage ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:56:35 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1993Jan4.173403.710@rtf.bt.co.uk>, mclo@rtf.bt.co.uk (John McLoughlin) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> Guess who got a VIZ album for Xmas !! The subject line says it all; so, just
> what is 'frottage' ? The word was used in the context of an insult or 
> obscenity. Any pointers from the suitably depraved ?

Well, just this subject came up at a party on Saturday night. Apparently
(I haven't checked in the dictionary) it is the practice of exposing your
self to others (sexually I believe).

Caused a lot of laughter whenever anyone mentioned 'Fromage Frais'....
-- 
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 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: Hi-fi TV sound?
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:15:14 +0000


I've never heard of anything that really matches what you want. Particularly
the "cheap" part! Your best bet is to get a video recorder and treat it
as a HIFI component. Naturally, a nicam stereo machine would give the best
results, but even a mono recorder played back through decent speakers is
in a different league to the tiny tinny speaker on the tv.

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From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: Drugs
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:16:52 +0000

In article <1993Jan7.142137.23932@tadtec.uucp>, Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk> writes:
|> 
|> - The LD50 for alcohol is less than a bottle of spirits (less than 10x MED);
|>   the LD50 for cannabis is enormous (no-one has died of it, but 
|>   extrapolations from mice show you'd have to eat about 300 lbs of it)
|>   
|> Makes you think!

Probably one of the more pleasant experiments lab mice have ever had to do!
:-)

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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Ariston music for TV Advert
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:53:37 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


Radio Four's `Week Ending' parodied this advert. Their words were:
`on... and on... and on... and re-cess-ion... and on... and on...'





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somewhere else.        -- my dad  1906-1992   #    Fax 031-650 6513
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Mornington Crescent rules anyone?
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:09:32 GMT
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

It's really quite a simple game, but....

Oh. Your surname's Pratt, isn't it?
Not divulging rules to people with certain names (Pratt, Prattchett,
O'Reilly and the rest) is rule 137 (I had to check that), so I'm afraid
(since I'm involved in several games at the moment) that I can't tell
you.

Regards
Lloyd Wood
L.H.Wood@uk.ac.lut
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dave@dhcs.demon.co.uk (Dave Hodgkinson)
Subject: Re: Dr Whos Assistants ?
Organization: IISC, dept of hackery.
Apparently-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:56:56 +0000

In article <JULIAN.93Jan11171445@buffalobill.edscom.demon.co.uk> julian@edscom.demon.co.uk (Julian Earl) writes:

   Excuse me for addressing this here, but a colleague and I are in
   dispute about one of Dr Who's assistants. I think she was an
   assistant to Peter Davidson and she was called Terry or Kerry ?
   and she did not make many episodes because the BBC took her out
   because she was too raunchy for the Dr Who assistant role.
   (Leela, accepted) 

Perry?

   Can anybody help resolve this bitter wrangle ?

   Jules.
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:35:25 GMT
	<CC.93Jan6172710@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <14082@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <14082@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wscc90r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Wilson Chiu) writes:

					   do you mean CD-I? 'cause CD-V
   needs a LD player for playback, doesn't it? I thought CD-V are those
   little CD sized gold discs with usually about 4-5 audio tracks and one
   video track. And CD-I is that latest wonder toy from Philips that lets
   you play audio CDs, CD-Interactive discs and those wonderful new Kodak
   Photo-CDs.........I don't like it because I bought a second hand Amiga
   CDTV a while back.

No, CD-Video - I seem to remember they gave people a choice of several
different sizes of player, which could play CD-V singles (smallest one), CD-V
EPs and singles (medium one), or CD-V LPs, EPs, singles and LaserDiscs (big
12" one).  CD-I came later.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Drugs
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:24:43 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <29962@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:

>tjfs@tadtec.co.uk (Tim Steele) writes:

>>- Alcohol makes some people aggressive; cannabis doesn't

>The guy who killed a student with a baseball bat a few months back was
>under the influence of cannabis (though I can't remember if alcohol was
>also involved). I suspect that it'd be more likely that *some* people
>are made more agressive by cannabis. Perhaps less proportionately than
>by alcohol though.

>FoFP

After over 20 years of mixing with cannabis users daily, I say bullshit to 
that idea.  The ones that are aggressive when straight are aggressive when 
stoned, the ones that are passive when straight are passive when stoned.
I've seen people get nervous and edgy, but not aggressive or violent, unless 
they were already like that.  Me, I stick to beer these days.

        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: jeffrey.burrows@almac.co.uk (Jeffrey Burrows)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: VIZspeak - What is fr
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: jeffrey.burrows@almac.co.uk (Jeffrey Burrows)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

PG>jeremy> Maybe you should have asked Santa for a dictionary as well ;-)
PG>jeremy> Frottage is rubbing against someone for sexual pleasure, for
PG>jeremy> example in a crowded place.

PG>And, would you believe, frottage is a criminal offence in this country,
PG>attracting fairly nasty prison terms. If the police were ever to crash
PG>into a disco they could have several dozen criminal cases on their
PG>hands.
PG>--

There's an Edinburgh club rather unsubtly named Frottage. However, if
the police are looking for a really big haul they should turn up at the
Renfrew Ferry Ceildh in Glasgow on a Friday night, where the above
mentioned activity is cunningly disguised as the Gay Gordons, Strip the
Willow and other such Highland Dances. The only giveaway is that 3 times
too many people are on the floor for the legitimate purpose of executing
the said dances, dances which were never intended to be
'cheek-to-cheek' by chaste axe-wielding skirt-wearing Highlanders.

Jey
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:44:35 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
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anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>         Well, I'd prefer not to have the quarry.  But we need the roads even
> without *any* private transport -- or else how does the bus, the ambulance,
> the fire engine, the police car get around?  And without private transport,
> how do the goods get into your shops, how does the farmer get his produce
> to market, how does the washing-machine repair man ply his trade?

OK, we need service roads.  We don't need anything like the road system we
have at the moment, though.

>                                                                   And how
> do I get a piled-up trolley-load of vegetables from Sainsbury's to my home?

Personally, I use my two lower limbs.  That's because I go to a small local
supermarket.  What, you say, there isn't a small local supermarket near you?
Well, that's the fault of car culture.  Small supermarkets are closing and
being replaced by big out-of-town supermarkets, because people want to park. 
This means that more and more people *need* to drive to get to a supermarket. 
This means that more and more people need to park when they get there, which
means the supermarkets have to have more parking spaces, which means they
need to be even further out of town, ...

The process is still accelerating.  Did you see that huge 10,000 car gridlock
around that shopping centre just after Christmas?  That's the future.


mathew
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Solmin
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:34:43 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <C0Dvxo.CnE@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.125319.2885@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>> And one should be very careful with paracetamol. Its a real pity these days 
>> that just about all doctors immediately recommend paracetamol in favour of
>> anything else. Some people die even if they follow the correct recommendations,
>> however such people are few and far between, but if you catch a suicide attempt
>> with aspirin, pump their stomach, they'll generally survive, with paracetamol,
>> they'll generally die, about three weeks later from liver failure... nice.
>> 
> 
> There are many things that people can use to kill themselves.  Should my
> kitchen contain only blunt knives?
> 
> The idea that we should make suicide attempts safer strikes me as rather
> peculiar.  If people take large numbers of pills they will, as a general
> statement, do themselves a great deal of harm.  Loudly trumpeting that
> certain pills are OK for suicide attempts whilst others aren't misses
> the point that Aspirin will, in general, kill you, absent a stomach
> pump.

I'm afraid I think you miss the point. The point is I think it's stupid that
the more dangerous drug (paracetamol) is actually recommended in favour of the
others. A woman died recently whilst following the recommended dosage
instructions using that drug, I can't remember the details, and the paracetamol
was part of some other medication, but was the active ingredient for pain
killing.

I also disagree, I was not 'loudly trumpeting' any particular facts. It seems
to me better to be able to save someones life than think you've saved it, only
to see them die a draw out and painful death (such that I've been Liver failure
is quite painful). Also many suicide 'attempts' are really cries for help and
get caught, but what you gonna do for the person who gets caught with a stomach
full or paracetamol?
-- 
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"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
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                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Think of a number
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:03:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1is6q4INNdqn@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cstadgs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R J Tinsley) writes:

   From the CIA World Factbook entry for the United Kingdom...

   Population:
       57,797,514 (July 1992)
   Ethnic divisions:
       English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West
       Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%

This doesn't seem right - it seems to imply that it's impossible to be
"English/West Indian" or "Scottish Pakistani" or "Welsh Chinese" or whatever.

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From: davidf@spider.co.uk (David Fraser)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Teletext services (was Video Plus)
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:00:15 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

On a different tack, I understand that one of the Teletext "standards"
specifies sub-page selection - particularly useful when you want to see
page 40 of 40. Does anyone implement it? Are there plans to? Or did I just
make up the whole thing? Would I need a new telly to use this feature?

As for the content of Teletext on 3/4. I think it's picking up by the day.
I was initially unimpressed by the lack of info on minority sports (in my
case I'm an ice hockey nut), but this weekend the results were there - or
at least partially. Last weekend in the local sports section in Scotland, we
got Welsh rugby results. But I expect the service to improve. 

David
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Think of a number
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:01:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <3357@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:

   Next question: where is the highest concentration of Indian,
   Bangaladeshi and Pakistani peoples (taken together) outside the Indian
   sub-continent?

I'd guess somewhere in America - New York maybe?
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From: geoffb@inmos.co.uk (Geoff Barrett)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Oil spills - history
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:12:14 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Philip Hazel (ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <C0JFnI.43J@exnet.co.uk>, dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon) writes:
: |> They should borrow the TeX algorithm which never (that I've seen) comes
: |> out with bad hyphenations.  It claims to do the correct hyphenation for
: |> the most common 700 words guaranteed with the standard English
: |> hyphenation and exception dictionary loaded.

: Try it on "reappears" if you want to see a bad one. I personally also think its
: "standard English" is actually "standard American".

I've been caught out by "anal-ysis" once or twice!