From: mark@adec23.uucp (Mark Salyzyn)
Subject: Re: Major reorganization of rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: ADEC Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:33:08 GMT

Mr Joseph M Zawodny sez:
>     .bulletin  - Here is where all the automatically forewarded ARRL stuff,
>                  DX reports, Solar info, and Special event/contest messages
>                  would go.
Add in the Amateurs on USENET list ...

And flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd) sez:
>I would settle for one good, moderated group.

Or Paul W. Schleck interjects:
>I wouldn't mind co-moderating a bulletin and FAQ-oriented newsgroup such
>as rec.radio.announce or rec.radio.info (similar in setup and function
>to news.answers).  Naturally, this would have to be acceptable to a
>majority of the net (I have my detractors) and I would prefer if it
>rotated among several guest editors
>
>Any other volunteers?
Many of these news (DX reports et al) are already managed fine, simply get
them to post (or cross-post, see later comments) to a bulletin group.
You already have your volunteers. I have volunteered to take on the
moderated group (actually mailing list) in rec.radio.amateur.packet, but
have had NO ONE take me up on the offer ...

But then pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) counters later,
but actually he explains that this was an earlier complaint mis-posted:
>Let's not forget Brian Kantor.  He gateways this newsgroup to Info-Hams
>(and *.packet to Packet-Radio and *.policy to Ham-Policy).  When the
>last reorganization was discussed, he made it clear that he would only
>be gatewaying ONE main newsgroup (which is certainly his right, as it
>makes his administration simpler) and would probably arbitrarily choose
>between misc or tech (correct me if I'm wrong, Brian).

>>     .bulletin  - Here is where all the automatically forewarded ARRL stuff,
>There was a discussion of a rec.radio.info or rec.radio.announce
>newsgroup which would be "self-moderated" such as with news.answers
>or rec.music info.  It was shot down the last time it was suggested,
>but it might be worth resurrecting again.

and finally unbham@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (UNB Amateur Radio) adds:
>I don't think that the current structure should be modified, but I do
>think that maybe a moderated group should be started *just* for announcements
>(such as orbital elements, dx, rtty and space news, propagation predictions,
>etc)  Trying to locate these can be a real nuisance sometimes..  One can 
>only hit K so many times before one's finger gets sore :-)

		**** There is a point ? ****

And now to my point. There has been a discussion going on in rec.radio.packet
about a moderated group for gateway activities (ie: `clean' messages from
any of the rec.radio.* groups that can be gatewayed to packet radio). It has
died down much like this discussion here as no one appears to want to firmly
take the bull by yhe horn (an observation, not volunteering here to do it :-).

I have had `some' e-mail contact with individuals that feel my Amateurs on
USENET list is too large now to be posted to what they feel should be
a discussion group `rec.radio.amateur.misc'. Granted, add in the FAQ and
other postings and the beginning of the month could be a 600K hit, while
flow is generally around 100K-200K.

I do NOT think there needs to be a re-organization, all that needs to be done
is postings that carry high volume or bulletin content should be cross posted
to the fictitious rec.radio.amateur.news group (ala sci.space.news which seems
to have the same sort of bulletins anyways ... anarchy === USENET) so that
anyone NOT wishing to see news items have their feed site blast this
fictitious group for them ...

Or, we vote on the creation of this group, using proper USENET guidelines
(can't find my copy right now, it's collecting dust under my Control Data
92181 series streaming 9 track tape drive documentation :-). Needles to say,
to keep Brian Kantor happy, and the `bulletin/news/moderated' naysayers
happy, we keep the messages cross posted to rec.radio.amateur.misc ...

Sorry for dredging this old (September 26th, last posting) topic, but I
have seen too much complaining as of late and like to needle this one back
to life.

Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark -sk-	mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org
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