HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: osickey@still.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt J. Osickey)
Subject: Re: Whampyri....
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  5 Oct 92 19:52:51 GMT

tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:

>Nothing earthshaking, but I read the Necroscope books too. I would highly
>recommend them.

>Tracey
>UIUC

     The last interview that I read with Lumley in it said
    that he was going to try out his Psychomech trilogy and
    probably follow it with more in the Necroscope series.
    Who knows, maybe he will try to link them.  They do have 
    a few common elements (other than both series being 
    excellent reading for a day)

                        azrael

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: truth 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:55:19 GMT

In article <JBW.92Oct3191229@bigbird.bu.edu> jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) writes:
>In article <6_lzccf@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu writes:
>
>   The only reliable source of truth is the real world around us.
>
>Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Would the other source be from visions gained while taking psychadelics?

Also, on the same note, would reality be derived from the world or
out PERCEPTION of the world?

For instance, if we were to percieve that vampires exist, then would
they?
(Yes, I know its a bit esoteric, but still a legit. question)

-- 
Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
irvine@decwa.ece.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Mrax
From: v125p7c5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Summary: possible
Keywords: possible
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ed.718213687@cwis>, ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes...
> 
>>In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>>>	I am more than mentally equipped to deal with impossibilities.  In
>>>my physics classes, I enjoy trying to prove theories of time travel.  Because,
>>>unlike vampires, time travel is a definite possibility.  It CAN exist in our
>>>world.  We know of phenomena, such as wormholes, that PROVE time travel is 
>>>possible in some format or another.
> 
>It's not possible to hypnotise people?  

	It is possible and has been done.

>It's not possible to get sustanance from blood?

	It is possible and has been proven.
>It's not possible to be sensitive to the sun?  

	It is possible and there is a name for the condition.  I don't 
remember it off hand but it does exist.

>It's not possible to hallucinate the transformation to bat or wolf?

	It is possible to hallucinate anything.  There is also a name 
for the condition where people's facial features will actually change 
to resemble a wolf.  There are no recorded cases of people that change 
to resemble bats.

>It's not possible to have an extremely slowly aging physical body?

	It is possible and is called longevity.  It is believed to be 
a generic type of trait.

>All are as probable (or more so) than wormholes, black holes or time
>travel (which I happen to believe in also).  

	Ofcourse they are they exist.  Black holes and time travel and 
wormholes don't exist.  
>....e
> 
>>Huh? What universe are >you< living in, eh?
>>Black Holes are still considered theoretical, and you're 'proving' the existence
>>of wormholes? Proving the existence of time travel?
> 
>>Have you published any of these shattering theories or are you just going to
>>sit on them for now?
>>r.
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						Michael Lamanna
					     University At Buffalo
					       Civil Engineering

	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission."


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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.prose
From: osickey@still.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt J. Osickey)
Subject: Re: A Vampire Tragidy
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  5 Oct 92 20:01:02 GMT

megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>Ok, since I'd like to see the flaming die, and I like the stories, I captured
>them, ran them through ispell, and reformated the lines than wrapped from
>replaced words... So hopefully most of the problems are gone....

>Angela, keep up the good work and don't let anything discourage you...


      I would like to say that the story starts off in a very 
     riveting and intriguing sort of way, please post more if it 
     has been continued.

                                azrael
From: filter@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (jonatha t filter)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: lilith
Date: 6 Oct 1992 00:12:14 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Keywords: Lilith, Bible, vampire?

In article <1992Oct4.064025.29793@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey) writes:
>
>There is a 'glossed' format of the Hebrew verion of the Old Testement.
>Glossing is having the original texts in the center of the book, with
>commentaries surrounding it.  Sometimes the commentaries are glossed too,
>so you have commentaries on commentaries on the text.
>
>I believe that Lillith appears somewhere in the glossing around Genesis.
>So depending on your viewpoint of what is 'The Bible', it could be proper
>to say Lilith is in the Bible.

Well, I'm not a Biblical scholar, and what I'm about to write was hearsay
from the beginning, and I'm relying only on my memory to elucidate (hopefully)
this little problem:

First of all, there really isn't too much Bible from the original Hebrew.  The
Bible we have today is an English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek
translation (probably of an Aramaic translation).  Quite a few things can get 
lost there, but I doubt very much that Lillith was ever mentioned in the Bible.

Anyway the legend that I heard was that when "there was not found a helper
fit for [Adam]" (Gen. 1:20) Adam began fantasizing and his fantasies became
quazi-real in the form of Lillith.  This is when God decided that it wasn't
good for him to be alone, and so created Eve.  With Eve's creation, Lillith
held no more power over Adam, but legend says that it is from her that the
giants and jinn were produced (but not through sex with Adam).

Anyway, I heard this story when I was having _The Magician's Nephew_ explained
to me.  Apparently the witch there (and all the other witches in the 
Chronicles of Narnia) are descendents of Lillith.  Apparently C.S. Lewis had
heard of Lillith from somewhere.

Again, this is only my $0.02 worth, so no flames.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: bchapman@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Bruce Patrick Chapman)
Subject: Darkness & Blood
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:07:19 GMT

I am a hunter.  Silent stalker among the endless masses of humanity.  A
smile twists my face, lips drawing tight over teeth.  Not a friendly
gesture.  The 'smile' know to all other species on earth - a snarl.  I am
hungry.  It is night.  I smell the herd.  The perfumed bodies josting in
their rat-mazes.  I run my tongue over my lips.  Feel Alive.  Feel the
energy of anticipation fill me.  Step outwards into the neon lights.  The
muscles of my body tense and relax.  Waiting.  Watching.  I drift with the
crowd.  Hear the babble of the fleshbound.  Decide.  I will travel to the
artists quarter.  Queen Street.  The West a hive of 'artistes' and 'rebels'.
A perfect hunting ground.  The population shifts and changes - a massed
movement, it fascinates me - like fractal patterns, growing and shifting on
the screen of my computer.  Almost too easy.  I slide silently through the
shadows.  Striding boldly, I declare that I have no fear.  Fear. Strange
thought.  Death is supposed to be the greatest fear of Humankind.  In that 
case I must be a nightmare embodied.  Times have not changed.  To walk as
though one owned all that one surveys has always been a sign of the hunter.

Ahead the place I seek.  A nameless place where 'artistes' and 'rebels' join
to congratulate themselves on their resignation from society.Children.
I join them, welcomed as one who is also not a part of society.  Different
indeed, although not in a fashion any might wish to admit.  Abstract patterns
fill my mind as I think of the passing of time.  This place, same and strange.

A female approaches me.  She sees in me something of her own need for
destruction.  I destroy only those that will not embrace me willingly.  There
is a certain joy in seducing a child of light, in watching their frantic
struggles for life, in seeing their final realization that they too can die.
She smiles hesitantly, bewildered by the expressions which filicker accross
my face.  We exchange formalities.  I listen.  It is strange how much one 
can gain by listening.  She invites me for a coffee, somewhere a little more
private  It takes little to gain the confidence of one such as this.  Empty
shell longing for affection.  I wonder if she will welcome the release I 
bring.  I propose a walk.  She accepts.  Her eyes light with something like
hope.  Her carnal knowledge of love.  I do not discourage.  We walk past
the mental hospital.  I persuade her to walk into the darkness there.  She
anticipates.  I laugh to myself.  The old formalized dance of man and woman.
The ritual courting.  


She pretends fear.  I ask her if she
From: bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Anne Rice's New Book
Summary: October 7!
Keywords: Anne Rice
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:51:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Anne Rice's new Vampire Chronicle will be available October 7 in most stores.
Not, as previously reported, October 31.
Title is indeed 'Tale fo the Body Thief'.

Surprise!
-- 
Murphy Brown For Vice-President!!                    Dan Quayle For Pre-School!!
 My opinions, of course, do not reflect the opinions of any organization I have
ever been associated with in any way, shape, or form and they are very grateful.
bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu        "What a country!"        bohlmand@milo.NoDak.edu
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Lillith
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 23:33:53 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

> making her equal to Adam.  Adam apparently didn't like the fact that Lillith
> was a "liberated woman" (some say he got upset cause Lillith would only have
> sex if she could be on top =) ), and told God to do something about it.  So G

Gee... I kinda like it when the woman is on top...

> for Adam (her name escapes me at the moment)... but the problem with this one
> was he watched as she was created (bones, then muscle, fat, skin, hair,
> etc...), and this sort of grossed him out.  He wouldn't touch her, so God sen

Gee... I kinda like a woman of substance...

> her away, and put Adam to sleep so that he could create Eve.

How sad...

<X>orcist


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   |       /         |\
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: spaceman@mwunix.mitre.org (Fletcher Williams)
Subject: Existance of Vampires (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Keywords: Sunlight allergies
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:27:48 GMT

In article <20970@plains.NoDak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

|> bat, wolf, or cloud), which is also unprecedented. They suffer massive
|> allergic reactions to sunlight, basically unheard of in multi-cellular
|> lifeforms. And so on.

     <chuckle> Actually, I have a couple of acquaintances who have allergic
reactions to sunlight. They have to stay all covered up or break out in rashes
or hives. Of course, I assume by 'massive allergic reaction' you mean catching
fire and/or turning to dust. I've never heard of either of them doing that. :)

Though I haven't heard from the one who lives around here in some time... 
Hmmmmm. 

* Fletcher
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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###I don't speak for MITRE, nor they for me.###
Newsgroups: alt.exploding.kibo,alt.politics.kibo,alt.religion.kibology
From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Landslide for Kibo!  Spokesman for Earth Vote Final Results
Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:45:33 -0500

The subject says it all.  The detailed voting results are listed below.

Rick Gordon of Netcom, who instigated this whole thing, has called for Kibo
to give an acceptance speech in alt.alien.visitors.  He also says that Kibo
may list his new title on his business card and in campaign literature for
the upcoming presidential election.

When I nominated Kibo for this position, I was concerned about the short
notice and time period for voting.  I think all the people out there who
worked so hard to get out the vote for Leader Kibo should give themselves
a pat on the back for a job well done!

--
James Harvey
harvey@iupui.edu  uucp: iugate!harvey  bitnet: harvey@indyvax

================================================================================
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From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: Landslide for Kibo!  Spokesman for Earth Vote Final Results
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:19:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Oh, you mean this wasn't the Presidential election?
--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractal Plants
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:45:21 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Oct6.145938.13031@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>I am interested in generating fractal landscapes.  I have found the
>mountain generating code but I need to also generate plants, trees and
>shrubs.

Try:
The Algorithmic Beauty of Plants, by Prusinkiewicz & Lindanmayer.

-- 
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  Department of Mathematics      Bitnet:    EDGAR@OHSTPY
  The Ohio State University      telephone: 614-292-0395 (Office)
  Columbus, OH 43210             -292-4975 (Math. Dept.) -292-1479 (Dept. Fax)
From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractint for Macintosh ?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct6.215214.15843@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> vwulpen@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Henk Van Wulpen) writes:
>His question : Is there a Macintosh-version of Fractint (or a similar,
>i.e. excellent, program) ? Where is it available and can I download it
>for him ?

As the recently posted FAQ file says:

Macintosh: there is no Macintosh version of fractint.  It is possible to run
    fractint on the Macintosh if you use Insignia Software's SoftAT, which is
    a PC AT emulator.  PC AT

Q2a: Where can I obtain software packages to generate fractals?

For Mac:
    fractal, L-System, 3DL-System, IFS, FracHill are available from
        ftphost.aukuni.ac.nz [130.216.1.5] in the architec directory.
    fractal-wizard-15.hqx, julias-dream-107.hqx, mandel-julia-10.hqx, mandel-
        zot-304.hqx, mandel-zot-304-extensions.hqx, mandel-zot-lyapunov-
        ext.hqx, mandel-zot-304-docs.hqx, mandelbrot-10.hqx, and mandella-
        61.hqx are available from sumex.stanford.edu in /info-map/app.
    mandel-tv: a very fast Mandelbrot generator.  Ftp from:
        uhunix2.uhcc.hawaii.edu [128.171.44.7] in /pub/mac/da/mandel-tv.hqx.
    There are also commercial programs, such as IFS Explorer and Fractal Clip
    Art, which are published by Koyn Software (314) 878-9125.

A copy of the FAQ is archived at various places such as: pit-manager.mit.edu
[18.72.1.58]: /pub/usenet/news.answers/fractal-faq and ftp.uu.net [137.39.1.9
or 192.48.96.9]: /usenet/news.answers/fractal-faq.Z .

Ken Shirriff				shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU
From: john.gialuco@satalink.com (John Gialuco)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Astrology & Chaos
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.gialuco@satalink.com (John Gialuco)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

Hiya - I have been generating fractals and then photographing them for
blowups. I mount them and offer them for sale. They are very popular
to a lot of people. I am also the co-director of a New Age center in
Phila., Pa. We offer classes and workshops in meditation, channeling
dream workshops, etc. I have had an idea that I need help in and that
is to make a fractal that is individualized to a person's birth date
and time of birth. I'm using Fractint and I'm sure there is a way to
put into a formula a person's place of birth by longitude ans latitude,
a persons time of birth and the date of birth. We have found that many
people are kindof triggered into an altered state of consciousness while
meditating with fractals. They are, at some level of consciousness, a
kind of archtype or universal symbol for many people. We have found
that some people share similar visions or ideas after meditating with
ractals. If anyone has any insights to this possibility please share it.
Thankyou - John

                        
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
Subject: evolution a fractal? explained
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 4 Oct 1992 01:33:43 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In reseponse to Ian:

Evolution is caused by mutations.
Mutations can fallinto three catego.ies:
A beneficial mutationin which the organism benefits from the mutation.
  harmful mutation, in which the organism suffers detrimental effects.
  nonimpacting mutation, in which the mutation does not produce the above
    effects, but might      produce an effect with other mutations in later
    generations.
But to simplify let's say a mutation is either beneficial or harmful.
To simplify further, consider evolution to be the result of iterations
of mutations that havebeneficial results.
(remember this is a simplified simplification)
A fractal is produced with the iterations of a set of rules.
In evolution the the set consists of one rule: a benefecial mutation.

Look at the world about you, symmetry reigns.


Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm

"Fractal you!"
From: cullen@scripps.edu (Miles Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: L-Systems in Fractint
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:45:29 GMT
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA

In a botched attempt to figure out how to do my own 
L-system designs, I made a mistake in Koch's triangle 
and came up with some interesting patterns.  The general
formula is as follows:

Pattern-n {
	Angle n
	Axiom x
	x=(F-) sub n (i.e. F- repeated n times)
	F=some string
}

for example for n=5 you would enter
Pattern-5 {
	Angle 5
	Axiom x
	x=F-F-F-F-F-
	F=F+F--F+F-
}
some interesting values for F are

F+F--F+F-
F-F++F-F+
++F++F--F+F--F++F
--F+F--F+F (works well for n=4)
---F+F--F+F (works well for n=6)
F+F-
F+F--

	Odd numbers for n, especially 5 and 7, seem to give better
results than even numbers, which often tend to stabilize at low orders
and are unaffected by successive iterations.  I have tried numbers ranging
from 3-13 for n.  Let me know if you come up with any more axioms that
work out.
-- 

-------------------------------------
"I remember how the darkness doubled.
I recall lightning struck itself.
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
Subject: evolution a fractal?
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 23:34:18 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

From the work done in artificial life/intelligence I always assumed the
people doing the work held the beliefe that evolution was of a fractal form,
or atleast had an intuitive feel for it.
I believe it is. Has there been any formal work done on this matter?

Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm

"The answer is fractals..."
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,alt.config
From: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Please use sci.fractals instead of alt.fractals
Frequency: weekly
Originator: rthomson@mesa
X-Rcs-Header: :$
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 21:37:58 GMT

The newsgroup alt.fractals has been replaced with sci.fractals, which
has a much larger distribution.  Please send all new postings and
followups (edit the Newsgroups: line when following up) to that group
instead.  This will ensure that a larger, wider audience sees your
posting.

The newsgroup alt.fractals is scheduled to be removed (or aliased,
depending on your system administrator) in the near future.

					-- Rich
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: lward@athena.mit.edu (Laurence O Ward)
Subject: MAC woes
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:46:25 GMT

i am trying to get some GIFs i generated with XFractint onto a MAC.
i convert them to PICT format and then ftp them over to my MAC but
the MAC applications i have refuse to recognize them as GIFs or PICTs.
for instance, when i call up Giffer or MacDraw to load a file, they wont
highlight any files in either format. this is a recurrent problem i notice
with MACs in that they dont allow you to directly operate on any file
you want, unlike Unix. some one i know has had the same problem and has
used a program that somehow converts files to the right format. i am
assuming it modifies or adds in the correct 128-byte header information to
the file. i did not get any more details on it. any help would be appreciated.
thanx in advance.

				-larry
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: cathy@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Catherine T Vojtas)
Subject: Description of IFS fractals?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:26:57 GMT
Keywords: IFS Fractint evolution

I'm interested in how to create what FRACTINT calls an "IFS" fractal.
I need to know how the matrix in a .IFS file is used to create an image,
to incorporate into a program I'm working on involving something similar
to Richard Dawkins' "Evolution Program".  My knowledge of fractals is 
limited, but a simple explanation of this procedure would be appreciated.
I've obtained the FRACTINT source code, but am having a hard time 
deciphering a few parts.

Thanks.

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