From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Men In Black
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:05:55 GMT

In article <3dpm03k.sheaffer@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>In article <139331.2A707317@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>>        (Sheaffer writes:)
>> > Yes, Barker was definitely "pulling peoples' chain" with just about
>> > everything he wrote. If anyone did anything the least bit strange, he
>> > would suggest "was X visited by (gasp!) the Three Men???????".
>> >
>> > James Moseley, one of the *least-silent* individuals in UFOlogy today,
>> > was claimed by Barker in "They Knew Too Much about Flying Saucers" to
>> > have
>> > been silenced by the MIB during the 1950s. Moseley obviously views the
>> > whole thing as a big joke. If you ask him about it, he just smiles
>> > and says, "I'm sorry, I'm not at liberty to discuss that!"
>>
>>What is your reading on John Keel, who also is a big proponent of the MIB 
>>stuff?
>
>When I met John Keel, he was sitting at the lunch-counter of a hotel
>coffee shop, chatting amicably with Mr. Amazing Randi. The two are old
>friends from 'way back. I joined them, and got the distinct impression
>that all three of us agreed that UFOs are one big joke.
>
>If you find that hard to believe, read Keel's article "The Man Who Invented
>Flying Saucers" (The Story of Ray Palmer) in "The Fringes of Reason - A
>Whole Earth Catalog." There is *no* way an article like that could be
>written by anyone who took UFOs the least bit seriously. If there were
>no author's name given, you'd swear it had to be written by Menzel or
>Klass.
>
>When I met the late Gray Barker, he admitted quite directly that
>he didn't believe a word of the stuff he was writing.
>
>
>-- 
>  
>        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
>  
> Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
>
>       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
>        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
>        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
>        where it will end."
>                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"

So, Mr. Skeptic, what is your explanation for the supposed "abductees"
regression statements that so many "UFO" writers are standing by? I was
just complaining to a co-worker this morning that is about half way through
Budd Hopkins' book "Intruders", as I am, that there is no middle ground in this
subject called UFO/UFO abductions/Alien Visitors. Scientific men completely
deny any existence but so many people swear its happen(ing)(ed). I am on the
virge of falling one way or the other. I have always been intensly interested
in the possiblities but always viewed it as somewhat of a warped kind of
Sci-Fi entertainment. In the last six months I have come to realize that
there are people that claim this is happening...FOR REAL! I am examining 
evidence to convince myself one way or the other. 

I support the fact that there are a lot of hoaxers and people who do it
for the money/popularity/etc. However, it seems it would be hard to pull the
wool over my eyes that much. I see a lot of pictures (which can be faked),
I read regression transcripts (which can be ficticious). I tend to agree
with Budd in that people refuse to believe it because of the negative,
"our little bubble" type philosophy. The fact is its hard to see the
ground when you are wading in BULLSHIT up to your neck! I mean both
kinds: Yeah and Nay. By golly, something is going on. Not sure what
but I definately will be finding out. 

Gregg.
gvb@acd4.acd.com