HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Need dog kennel recommendations
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:11:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct12.221137.21539
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


     We're looking at going on vacation in the near future and are
thinking of putting our recently adopted dog in a kennel for a few
days while we're gone.  Does anyone know of a good kennel they would
recommend?

     Thanks,
     Robert
From: donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: "CATS"
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:16:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: scic.1992Oct9.191649.15684
Distribution: or
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR

Thank you ALL for your suggestions/opinions/input.
I was not able to get box seats, but I did manage 
to get front row on the main floor. My daughter
is almost 7, by the way. (Some people wondered.)
She has no idea that she is going to see Cats.
Boy, is she in for a surprize! Thanks again!
From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Techbooks
Summary: Is Techbooks gone?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:46:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: forthd.72.2ad0a9c2
Reply-To: johnl@espace
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR

I tried to send mail to my account at Techbooks & it bounced back. I guess
I no longer have an account there.  I tried to dial in there & no answer...
Anyone know what's up?

(Is this newsgroup pdx.forsale or pdx.general - it's hard to tell....)

-- 
 John Lebert                              Internet: johnl@espace  
 Fourth Dimension                     Modem (9600): (503)236-5068 
 Portland, OR                                Voice: (503)234-4364 
              *May I be excused?  My brain is full.*

                Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue....
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Techbooks
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: pdx
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:57:45 GMT

johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert) writes:

>I tried to send mail to my account at Techbooks & it bounced back. I guess
>I no longer have an account there.  I tried to dial in there & no answer...
>Anyone know what's up?

>(Is this newsgroup pdx.forsale or pdx.general - it's hard to tell....)

You apparently have an account on PDaXs, where mail can be sent to
"username@techbook.com".

You don't have now, nor have you ever, an account on techbook.com.  

They are not the same.  Mail to jamesd@pdaxs.techbook.com is <NOT> the
same as mail to jamesd@techbook.com.  

If you are having problems, there are help files and local groups on PDaXs
itself for support as well as the "feedback" command and the traditional 
letter to the sysop.  There's a phone number given on the first screen to 
call for help.  Plus we send out instructions to people who give us a
valid address.  We mailed that out to you on 8/11/92.

So why are you posting to city-wide newsgroups?

--
jamesd@techbook.COM    Voice: +1 503 223-4245 <---- NOT a modem #
PDaXs gives free access to news & mail. (503) 220-0636 - 1200/2400, N81  
We've been giving accounts to anyone the law allows.  
Obviously.
From: dont@klic.rain.com (Don taylor)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Shower Stall needed for a needy person
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:12:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: klic.1992Oct14.091200.15418
Distribution: pdx
Organization: KLIC

I am good friends with a person with limited income who could greatly benefit
from a shower stall.  It doesn't have to be pretty, it certainly doesn't have
to new, it doesn't even have to include fixtures.  The bigger the better in
this case, within reason.  I can get a truck to haul it and I would even pay
something reasonable for it.  I might even take it out for you.

If you have one from a remodelling job or know of one available I would greatly
appreciate any lead.

Thanks
Don Taylor
503-235-6853
dont@klic.rain.com
qiclab!loop!dont
Newsgroups: rain.general,pdx.general,or.general,pnw.general,comp.dcom.modems
From: nabil@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Aaron Nabil)
Subject: Group price on Codex 3260FAST (v.fast, sortof)
Organization: Explosive Space Modulators - R - Us
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:04:47 GMT


My company is purchasing a number of Codex 3260FAST modems, and we are
trying to negotiate a good price.  If you would like to buy one with
us, we might be able to get the price down further.  Currently we are 
at $830/ea, and hoping to go lower.

If you would like to join in on the buy, and get a modem at our cost,
drop me a line.  The only restriction I have is that if you need yours
shipped, it has to be FedEx COD, with certified funds.  

Here are a few blurbs about the 3260FAST:

	Async DTE up to 115.2k
	Codex FAST, V.32bis, V.32, and so on...
	V.FAST upgrade availiable in the future (or so they tell me)
	AT command set
	Menu driven front panel, LCD display, etc...
	MTBF 100,000 hours
	24 month unit-exchange warranty (24 hr replacement)

Email me if you have any questions about the buy, call Codex if you
have any questions about the modem.

-- 
Aaron
nabil@cse.ogi.edu
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: unleaded vs. regular... why the diff in price?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:39:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Oct13093940
	<1855@shaman.wv.tek.com> <1992Sep28.201417.8226@tvnews.tv.tek.com>
	<1992Oct8.041713.21574@polari>
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

In article <1992Oct8.041713.21574@polari> peterd@polari.online.com writes:
   As to why unlead is more expensive than leaded: cost of anti-knock
   components.   Plus all those wonderful detergents and anti-corrosion
   and stuff.

you obviously missed the beginning of this thread.

For more than two years, the cost *to the dealers* has been identical
for unleaded and regular gas (yesterday's prices were around $.80/gal
before taxes and freight, by the way).  Any difference in price *at
the pump* is pure dealer variance, and has nothing to do with the
*cost*.

Just another curious consumer,

--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@reed.edu (guest account) merlyn@ora.com (better for permanent record)
cute quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon -- home of the California Raisins!"
From: mike@arts.com (Mike Witt)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Electrical Contractors
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:11:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: arts.omHksB4w165w
Distribution: pdx.general, or.general, pdx.consumer
Organization: Computer Arts, Portland Oregon, USA


A couple of people have posted recently asking about recommendations
for electrical work.  I would just like to mention that if anyone
is considering using "Jesson Electric" I would like to recommend that
you ask your city or county electical inspector about them first.

-Mike
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: jrm@pgroup.com (John R Mudd)
Subject: Insurance suggestions?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:39:41 GMT
Distribution: pdx
Organization: The Portland Group

I've recently moved to the Portland area.  Does anybody have any
recommendations/warnings on companies/agents for auto and renter's
insurance?  Thanks.  Send mail; I'll summarize for those who want
a copy.

... John

Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: peterd@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: unleaded vs. regular... why the diff in price?
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:17:13 GMT

stever@crosstalk.tv.tek.com (Steven E. Rice  P.E.) writes:

>In article <1855@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:

>>                                     . . .  I pull into a gas station to
>> buy regular for my 14-year-old car.  If it's a loss leader, they're
>> going to talk me into buying something else in addition to the regular
>> gas.  "How about some unleaded to take home?"  I don't see it.

>The idea is to pull people into the station by giving top billing to the
>lowest possible price.  Since fewer and fewer people drive cars that
>use regular, they don't have to pump very much of it, so it doesn't
>hurt them to price it below unleaded.

>In other lines of business, it's called "Bait and Switch."

>					Steve Rice
Ah yes, most folks haven't figured the algorhytms to 
either a) check the second price down or b) be aware of the per gallon
increase  (brand X's regular is N cents [more|less] than Brand Y's, ergo
it *ought* to follow that thier unleaded gas is likewise priced).

As to why unlead is more expensive than leaded: cost of anti-knock
components.   Plus all those wonderful detergents and anti-corrosion
and stuff.

gotta run, the still is about done with it's run.
chus
pyotr

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>* Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! *
>stever@tv.tv.Tek.com                                   [phone (503) 627-1320]
-- 
                 Peter D. Hampe, EKA peterd@polari.online.com
Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow. "Its a simple procedure involving Lasers."
                       Will be President for Food.
-- 
                 Peter D. Hampe, EKA peterd@polari.online.com
Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow. "Its a simple procedure involving Lasers."
                       Will be President for Food.
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From: holly@verdix.com (Holly Isaak)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,or.general
Subject: Home Security Systems
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.9203
Reply-To: holly@verdix.com (Holly Isaak)
Distribution: or
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR



I may have bought a home security system tonight.  I have until Wednesday 
to decide yeah or neah.  If the kind folk in netland could assist me in 
this process, it would be greatly appreciated!

Any opinions, suggestions and comments are welcome.  E-mail me and if
the response warrants, I will post a summary.

The system is the AT&T 8000 and is cordless.  They claim "No False Alarms".  
Supposedly it is the "only one on the market with 'two-way communication'".  
That means that a disembodied voice (originating from the monitoring office 
in Califronia) yells "HALT! IDENTIFY YOURSELF!".  The whole system could 
probably be recreated using a PC and other gee-gaws that most people could 
program and assemble themselves (They wanted $3K for the "CPU"!). But then 
they don't get that friendly disembodied voice to talk to and you appearently 
cannot make it call the appropriate emergency services...

Anyway, they originally wanted $5k for the setup (3 windows & 3 doors plus 
fire, and a couple of other gee-gaws) , I said I had seen better machines 
at work and I'd be willing to pay half that.  After the salesman talked to 
his "marketing" people (who then called the owner), they agreed to the $2500.  
Apparently my using AT&T as my long distance service has paid off...

So, 
   - What are things to look for in a system?
   - What is the going rate for these types of setups?  Is the $2500 in the 
     ballpark or totally out of range? 
   - How is AT&T as the hardware product?  Is it true that they "own" the
     40 MHz frequency?
   - Has anyone heard of Ion Security Industries?  They claim to have
     been in business since 1969, based out of Laguana Hills, CA. but
     have local offices.

I'm going to be calling around to some of the local businesses of such
things but I thought I'd get the customers responses too.

Thanks!

Holly

e-mail: holly@verdix.com
voice:  690-1116
From: donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: "Cats" at the Civic Auditorium
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:44:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: scic.1992Oct8.234430.5996
Distribution: or
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR

"Cats" is coming next week and I am taking my daughter. They have 4 
different rates for tickets.  Box seats ($44), main floor ($37), 
first balcony ($34) & upper balcony ($25).  What to choose...???!!!  

I have never been to the Civic Auditorium. Have any of you been there?  
Are the box seats worth it? or can you see just as much on the main
floor or first balcony?

I appreciate any and all input!  Thanks!
From: jenq@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Yih-Chyun Jenq)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Condo for Rent
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:21:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6190
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Portland State University, Portland, OR


Beaverton Condo for Rent

2 Bedromm/ 1 Bath
at Sequoia Park Condo

$450 per month
$200 deposit

Call Everet at 626-2209
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From: jeffp@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey L Powell)
Newsgroups: tek.general,tek.misc,pdx.general,rec.outdoors.fishing,alt.fishing
Subject: Oxbow Park Salmon Festival
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:48:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7232
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.



The Ninth Annual Salmon Festival will be held at Oxbow Park on
the Sandy River this weekend (Oct. 10,11).
Sponsored by Multnomah County Parks, Audubon Society and Oregon
Trout the festival will include.

  Viewing migrating/spawning Salmon, guided walks.
  Volkswalk, funrun, hayrides,
  Warm Springs Indian Dancers
  Art displays.
  Children's Pavillion
  A Salmon Bake and other refreshments.

Oxbow is east of Gresham in Division.
From: gordonr@pogo.wv.tek.com (Gordon Roth)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: tandy print info
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:27:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13752
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
RROR~IC~?ZZKeywords: info

hello,  Gi
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From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: United Way excuses
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:44:27 GMT
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Open Communications Forum

briand@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brian D Diehm) writes:
>So that comes full circle, because the only way around that trap for an agency
>was to raise funds in some other way, and since UW has a monopoly on corporate
>giving, "other ways" were pretty much closed off.

I've started using Checkfree as a way around it --- Checkfree, for those
who haven't heard of it, is an electronic bill paying service.  You call
them up with an modem and a special program (theirs or one of several
home accounting programs that support it, e.g. Quicken) and say "pay these
people this much every month on this date".  I'm donating to KBPS, KOPB
and Planned Parenthood this way.  I'll still donate to United Way, as they
give to a zillion agencies I don't have time to find out about, but this
year will stop using the Donor Option and use Checkfree to send that money
directly to the specific groups I want to particularly support.

It also has the advantage that in the case of KOPB (even though it's not
something I'd support through United Way anyhow), I can skip a payment
during the periods where you can't turn on the radio or TV without hearing
nothing but begging for money...
-- 
Alan Batie                               \
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       Vote NO on Discrimination
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      Vote NO on 9!
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL     /   \
From: doretta@agora.rain.com (Doretta Schrock)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Have a Compaq 386/33?
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:04:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bw348B.G7w
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Open Communications Forum

[There doesn't seem to be a pdx.wanted. I tried.]

I need access to a Compaq 386/33 for several hours over
the course of the next few days.  Any consultants, nerds
interested in new technology, or old friends out there
have one they'd be willing to share?

We'd need to install a small amount of software and plug
in a new keyboard containing some interesting new technology.
There should be no danger to your PC or your data--well no
more than there ever is from turning in on.

We could cough up a few bucks and work arounnd your schedule,
if you are interested.

Reply to this message to doretta@agora.rain.com or to me at 656-2995.

Doretta R. Schrock
Home Row, Inc.

Disclaimer:  My employer made me say absolutely everything that's
in this posting.
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: bud@kentrox.uucp (Bud Couch)
Subject: Re: unleaded vs. regular... why the diff in price?
Organization: ADC Kentrox, Portland OR
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:41:17 GMT

In article <MERLYN.92Oct13093940@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.041713.21574@polari> peterd@polari.online.com writes:
>   As to why unlead is more expensive than leaded: cost of anti-knock
>   components.   Plus all those wonderful detergents and anti-corrosion
>   and stuff.
>
>you obviously missed the beginning of this thread.
>
>For more than two years, the cost *to the dealers* has been identical
>for unleaded and regular gas (yesterday's prices were around $.80/gal
>before taxes and freight, by the way).  Any difference in price *at
>the pump* is pure dealer variance, and has nothing to do with the
>*cost*.
>
>Just another curious consumer,
>

Check out the Texaco station in Tigard at 99 & 217. Unleaded is (was?) a penny *cheaper* than 
regular (Monday night).

-- 
  Bud Couch - ADC/Kentrox    | That which does not kill me makes me strong.  |
 If my employer only knew... |                              -Nietzsche       |
   standard BS applies	     | ... but why risk it?  - me                    |
From: li@polaris.cs.pdx.edu (Jingke Li)
Newsgroups: psu.msgs,pdx.general
Subject: PSU Computer Science Colloquium
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:05:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6225
Reply-To: li@polaris.cs.pdx.edu (Jingke Li)
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Portland State University, Portland, OR


		   PSU Computer Science Colloquium
                   ===============================


		   Monday, October 19, 1992, 4 PM
		   -------------------------------
		   SBA 290, SW 6th and SW Harrison
		  (For parking info, call 725-4036)


		     Testing Software that Reuses

			     Brian Marick
			 Testing Foundations

ABSTRACT: 
The producer of reusable software provides a part of the product built
by a software developer (here called the "consumer").  The producer
tests this reusable part, but the consumer must test the rest.  This
talk addresses the question of how the producer can help the consumer
test.
A sound testing strategy uses past experience to predict likely faults
in a new or modified program.  An empirically important class of
faults is caused when programmers misuse interfaces, especially by
omitting needed code.  Reusable software producers provide interfaces.
They are in the best position to record programmer errors in a catalog
of reusable "test conditions".  The consumer can then design test
cases by combining the producer's test conditions with other test
conditions derived from the rest of the product.  Reuse is important
because of economics.  I will discuss how coverage tools and test
conditions can work together to reduce the consumer's cost of finding
faults, especially during maintenance.

BIOGRAPHY:
Brian Marick worked in industry for ten years as a tester, developer,
and line manager, mostly on operating systems and compilers.  Joint
research with the University of Illinois led to internal consulting
and then the creation of Testing Foundations.  It exists to help
companies acquire essential testing skills and tools.  Because
practitioners are justifiably suspicious of those who talk about
software development but never actually do any, he spends half his
time building and maintaining tools, some freely available.
From: sharvy@reed.edu (V Headshape)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Bible & Meas. 9
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct14.201500.24596
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

A number of people have replied to my post about the Biblical tale of
Soddom & Gommorah, through e-mail and in this forum.  I've attempted
to post replies accordingly, but haven't seen any of the posts show up
in this group, and to my knowledge none of my e-letters made it
either.  So this is an attempted re-post; if you've seen previous versions
of this post already (I changed it a little) please tell me, so
that I know that there is something wrong with my site's ability to
read posts, and can notify the administer.

People keep erroneously asserting that Lot's offer to let a mob
gang-rape his daughters is not condoned by the Bible.  I neglected, in
the original post, to argue at great lengths for the point, since I
didn't think anyone would dispute it -- the Bible condones
treatment of women as possessions generally, and Lot's behavior is just
one example of many. Anyone familiar with the Bible is familiar with
at least some of these examples. I shall now show that the Bible 
condone's Lot's behavior, and is generally a worthless piece of trash
which everyone should make fun of as much as possible.

God has decided to destroy Soddom because it has a lot of homosexuals.
However, he has agreed with Abraham not to "destroy the
righteous with the wicked."  In order to determine which citizens are
"the righteous" and rescue them, he sends two angels in the form of
good looking young men.  The angels find Lot.  Lot's rescue is not "an
afterthought" as someone claimed: it is central to the plot, and to the
recurring Biblical theme that God protects those who serve and obey him. 
When a mob gathers outside Lot's door, he then offers them his two
 daughters to rape; it is not an offer contingent upon the daughter's
approval.  Subsequently, God aids Lot in escaping.

No great interpretative stretch is required to say that this story
condones Lot's behavior.  It calls Lot "righteous" specifically
distinguishing him from "the wicked," and in it Lot is rewarded for
his moral nature and given special attention by God.  At the very
least, the story portrays a God who believes that homosexuality is
more wicked than a willingness to force your daughters to submit to
gang-rape.  This obviously is very stupid.  It therefore follows
that either: 1) God is very stupid, or 2) the Bible doesn't portray God
reliably.  In either case, we shouldn't pay too much attention to the
Bible, and should regard as insane those who want to use the Bible as
a basis for laws in Oregon.

-- 
Liberate the Weirdoes and You Liberate the Squares
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Techbooks
Organization: Organization
Distribution: pdx
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:17:37 GMT

In article <72.2ad0a9c2@forthd.uucp> johnl@espace writes:
>I tried to send mail to my account at Techbooks & it bounced back. I guess
>I no longer have an account there.  I tried to dial in there & no answer...
>Anyone know what's up?


  The system is still there, but is a little slow, to say the least.
From: donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Wood
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:02:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: scic.1992Oct9.000201.6364
Distribution: or
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR

I live in Timber. I get my wood from the guy at the Rocket
Gas Station in Buxton...where 26 meets 47 (that goes out toward
Vernonia). 
He charges $90/cord -- if you pick it up.
He'll deliver it as far as Hillsboro/Vernonia/Timber for $125.
It's a mix of alder/maple/fir. Good deal. I highly recommend
him.
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: unleaded vs. regular... why the diff in price?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:15:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Oct13.161554.18282
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

Texaco in Tigard at 217 & 99W now has regular priced $.01 MORE than
unleaded!!


-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
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