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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:21:24 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Wakeman v. Emerson

Okay,

Cool group, first off!

Who do you think is better? Wakeman or Emerson (is there someone else out there
that compares to either of these virtuosi that should be here also, I don't
know of any...) in your opinion...

Please qualify your statement by stating which is either

your favourite player

who you think is technically better

(I view those as two completely different questions)

I will first off vote for Wakeman, he is flawless in so many styles (rock, new
age, classical, jazz) and is not as flashy/cocky as Emerson (IMO)...

My evidence is, of course, _Six Wives of Henry VIII_, which is flawless (well,
not exactly, the other dudes in Yes don't play on the other 5 tracks  :P )

Let's hear what you have to say..

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: cyclone@netcom.com (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: First posting?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:56:32 GMT

How about the Alan Parsons Project?

Bill
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: great keyboard players
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:59:25 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.153807.20467@infodev.cam.ac.uk> scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar) writes:
 
|>Being a keyboard player myself, I think I am required to be a Yes fan, since
|>Rick Wakeman is the single greatest keyboard player in the whole of creation
|>(with POSSIBLE exception to Keith Emerson).
|
|Hmmmmm, I think that Tony Banks (Genesis) and Chick Corea may have something
|to say about that !
|
I wouldn't consider Chick Corea to be rock-n-roll.  I've said several times
that Emerson is arguably the best *rock* keyboard player around and I think
Wakeman is a close second.  If we're going to include Chick Corea they're
a couple of guys named Oscar Peterson and Bill Evans that should be added.

 
>As for masterpieces, let us not forget 2112

Don't worry.  Rush fans would never let us forget 2112.

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From: michaell@snake7.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:37:29 GMT

In article <r8y1q1b@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>Dont get Hyper- but I have heard rumors of a Crimson reunion sans
>Bruford.  I asked bill if he is going to be in it and he said that
>he was asked but he declined.  I have heard the line-up is: Levin,
>Belew, some new drummer, and somebody named Bob :^)

The story I heard was that Jerry Morratta (ex-Gabriel) would be the new
drummer.  I also got a note from the Belew fan club that said that if the
reunion occurs, it WILL be in 1993.

Michael\


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From: pieper@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (John Pieper)
Subject: Re: Yes/Tales
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:29:11 GMT

In article <2937@anprda.atson.asahi-np.co.jp> dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp (David J. Iannucci) writes:
>I put it to you all that Yes' TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS is nothing
>short of the greatest "piece" of music composed in this century.

Well, I wouldn't go _quite_ that far, but it's certainly one of my all-time
favorites.  I imprinted very heavily on this piece when I first got into it
(~2 years after it came out) and it's inside my head forever.  Absolutely
stunning.

Why has it been neglected?  I think you are right on the mark to mention the
attention span of the average listener.  It must be admitted that the average
"rock" fan has not been educated to appreciate song structures more compli-
cated than verse/verse/bridge/solo/verse, or to notice that (for instance)
the bass line _here_ is actually taken from the melodic theme of another
section _there_.  On the other hand, those who can appreciate such things
are often too snobbish to listen to anything labelled "rock".  So it goes...

But maybe things aren't quite so bleak. _Close to the Edge_, which is on
almost the same level of complexity, still gets played occasionally on my
local radio station.  Maybe four sides of the same kind of musical ambrosia
were just too much to take.  All I know is that I'll be listening to my copy
until one of us wears out.

>Dave Iannucci                                        dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp
>Gaijin-in-residence                     ATSON/Trans Cosmos Inc., Tokyo, Japan
>(They move fast)*(They tell me)*(There's someone)*(Rainbows)*(Alternate Tune)


-- 
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Dept. of Physics                   "Any deviation will result
University of Colorado at Boulder   in termination" -- the Mgt.
From: haley@husc11.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Yes
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:52:40 GMT

butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:


>    At the risk of being deep fried, I want to ask some questions about Yes
>seeing as how everyone is discussing them right now.  I'm a real newbie
>to Yes, the only albums I've heard are parts of Classic Yes and Union
>which some of my friends had.  I want to check out their music, but don't
>know where to begin.  I don't even know how many albums they have.  I think
>that first I want to get into the older music.  That album Tales... sounds
>pretty cool and I've heard that Fragile is really good also.  Can anyone
>give me some suggestions on what's good and where to start?  Thanks.

>Blake

I can't recall all of their library this instant, but some defining
works:

1. Close to the Edge.
2. The Yes album.
3. Fragile

Then onto Tales from Topographic Oceans, Relayer, Parallels, Tormato.
I am personnally not a great fan of the Rabin Stuff, but *all yes
albums are worth giving at least one good thorough listening...

The Classic Yes album is a pretty good sample.

But "Tales..." Needs to be listened too in a low lit room, fairly
loudly, with you in the center of the stereo, perhaps a bit high if
yer into that, and in a neutral mood...

I found that to be an almost religious experience...

I think that if I could afford a 5 disk CD player, I would get one,
and load it with Tormato, Close to the Edge, Relayer, and then the 2
CD's of Tales... Dark room, sound up loud, slightly, maybe very
high....

I think by the end of the last Tales song, I'd be talking to God, or
maybe taking over for him/her...

Then again, maybe not.
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From: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth)
Subject: Yes
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6916]: sinbad
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:14:34 GMT


    At the risk of being deep fried, I want to ask some questions about Yes
seeing as how everyone is discussing them right now.  I'm a real newbie
to Yes, the only albums I've heard are parts of Classic Yes and Union
which some of my friends had.  I want to check out their music, but don't
know where to begin.  I don't even know how many albums they have.  I think
that first I want to get into the older music.  That album Tales... sounds
pretty cool and I've heard that Fragile is really good also.  Can anyone
give me some suggestions on what's good and where to start?  Thanks.

Blake
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Yes
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:38:30 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov21.061909.23288@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> pieper@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (John Pieper) writes:
>OK, put me down as out of touch, but can I take this to mean that Steve Howe
>has a new record out?  Or is there one that I missed?

Yes.  Steve Howe released "Turbulence" about the same time yes
released "Union.  Two Turbulence tracks share basic structure with
some guitar licks in Union, but most of the album is completely
original.  Personally, I think Steve had the Turbulence licks written
first and then used them in Union, but it's a moot point.


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From: andy@rbdc.wsnc.org (Andy Pitts)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: How 'bout Zappa?!
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:09:18 GMT
Organization: Red Barn Data Center Public Access Unix, Winston-Salem, NC.

TPCunn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Thomas P. Cunningham) writes:

>Zappa, recorded a double album with the LSO, incorporates symphonic
>instrumentation and arrangements into many of his albums, and has even
>several albums entirely composed of symphonic work performed by such
>orchestras as the San Fransisco Symphony and conducted by such  musicians

I have never really been a Zappa fan.  I find most of his music pointless
and obscene (PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME ABOUT THAT STATEMENT, it is a purely
personal opinion and not meant to degrade Zappa or anyones elses opinion
of him... everyone has different tastes and they are all valid).  However
I recall hearing a few records in the late sixties that were instarmental
and great.  Unfortunately I don't remember any of the names.  Does anyone
have a list of some of his serious work?
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From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen)
Subject: ELO (Was Re: First posting?)
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:23:54 GMT

cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
>|> Shouldn't _Electric Light Orchestra_ be mentioned in such a list?

>Did they ever actually play *with* an orchestra?  I mean, they *were* an
>orchestra, so to speak.  Serious question here, not trying to shoot you
>down or anything.

Well, I don't have their record yet, but ELO Part II plays together with
the Moscow Symphonic Orchestra, if I remember correctly.
(Without Jeff Lynne, I'm not sure it's worth getting.)
And I think they used violin sections on several records.

But they sure *were* an orchestra. Especially on their earliest records.
Their use of classical instruments adapted to rock (I mean, what can one say
about an electric "violin"?!?) and ditto tunes, is unsurpassed.
I'm thinking of "Roll over Beethoven" with his 5th symphony mixed in,
or their energetic and POWERFUL version of Griegs "In the Hall of
the Mountain King" (from "Peer Gynt".)
(BTW, after half a year of comparing the two, I tend to think that
the version on their live "Long Beach" album is better than the version
on "On the Third Day", except for the drum solo.)
These few notes have walked me home with a steady pace on several occasions
when I was drunk and really shouldn't walk home (Winter-nights below 260 K.)
Bum-bum bum-bum BUM bum-bumm, *BUM*, bum-bum BUM, bum bum...
Slakt ham! Slakt ham!...
(Also great when being angry!)

BTW, is "The Night The Light Went On In Long Beach" really that rare?
It took a long time before I found someone who could dig it up.
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From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: great keyboard players
Reply-To: trice@bnr.ca
Organization: Hair Club for Men
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:50:16 GMT

In article <15531@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov17.153807.20467@infodev.cam.ac.uk> scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar) writes:
|>  
|> |>Being a keyboard player myself, I think I am required to be a Yes fan, since
|> |>Rick Wakeman is the single greatest keyboard player in the whole of creation
|> |>(with POSSIBLE exception to Keith Emerson).

I too am a keyboard player and I too like Yes.  My favorite keyboard instrument
is the Hammond B-3, therefore my vote goes to Keith (he can tear up a B-3 solo
and has been known to tear up the B-3 itself.)

|> |
|> |Hmmmmm, I think that Tony Banks (Genesis) and Chick Corea may have something
|> |to say about that !

Tony Banks is great with Genesis but his solo projects are a bit mundane. 
Quicksilver was filled with uninspired works (IMHO)

|> |
|> I wouldn't consider Chick Corea to be rock-n-roll.  I've said several times
|> that Emerson is arguably the best *rock* keyboard player around and I think
|> Wakeman is a close second.  If we're going to include Chick Corea they're
|> a couple of guys named Oscar Peterson and Bill Evans that should be added.

While Chick is not to be considered rock-n-roll, I still regard him as the
greatest keyboard player today.  Chick is the reason I started mucking around
with synths and got interested in their use in jazz and classical.

Bill Evans is a wanker IMHO.

|> 
|>  
|> >As for masterpieces, let us not forget 2112
|> 
|> Don't worry.  Rush fans would never let us forget 2112.

You are correct sir.  


When we talk about keyboardists we must think about their instruments.  Do
they play

a) piano
b) organ (B-3 in particular)
c) old synths   (it takes a master to play these boys right)
c) new synths  

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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:14:32 EST
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Yes


In article <1992Nov21.061909.23288@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, pieper@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(John Pieper) says:
>
>OK, put me down as out of touch, but can I take this to mean that Steve Howe
>has a new record out?  Or is there one that I missed?

Actually Steve has two OLD albums out that you might not know of. Both
are out of print in the US, but are available as Japanese imports. Both
are excellent.

Beginnings (1975, I think)
The Steve Howe Album (1979?)
Turbulence (1991?)

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Rock turned Classical
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:55:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov16.224748.22248@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd) writes:
>
>Hi.  So here's the question we've all been waiting for.  What do people
>think about those albums where a rock bands 'greatest hits' are redone
>into classical music?  I know of a few where David Palmer and the Royal
>Philharmonic does Pink Floyd...

One of the truely scariest albums I own.
I am a large PF fan. This album of PF music spooked me. Its far to
reminiscint of 'Muzak' rather than 'classicisized' (hell, its a word now :)
Pink Floyd. PF is classical enough all by themselves :)
r.
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From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Yes/Tales
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:04:15 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

In article <1992Nov18.082911.10158@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, pieper@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (John Pieper) writes:
|> In article <2937@anprda.atson.asahi-np.co.jp> dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp (David J. Iannucci) writes:
|> >I put it to you all that Yes' TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS is nothing
|> >short of the greatest "piece" of music composed in this century.
|> 
|> Well, I wouldn't go _quite_ that far, but it's certainly one of my all-time
|> favorites.  I imprinted very heavily on this piece when I first got into it
|> (~2 years after it came out) and it's inside my head forever.  Absolutely
|> stunning.
|> 
|> [discussion on neglect of TFTO deleted in the interest of space]
|> 
|> But maybe things aren't quite so bleak. _Close to the Edge_, which is on
|> almost the same level of complexity, still gets played occasionally on my
|> local radio station.  Maybe four sides of the same kind of musical ambrosia
|> were just too much to take.  All I know is that I'll be listening to my copy
|> until one of us wears out.

*Now* we're talkin'!

I think that "Close to the Edge" is the best thing that Yes ever did.  When
they came to Raleigh on the "Reunion" tour last year, I saw them for
the third time (and the third incarnation of the group) and they did "And
You and I" for the first time in concert that I had seen.  I was completely
content at that point and would have been happy to head on home.  We had to
stick around for my wife to hear "Your Move", and of course they closed with
"Roundabout" as an encore.

What's a "Khatru"?

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:28:40 EST
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: And the third (and maybe fourth) Yes keyboardists:

Jobson? If you count him, he would be the fifth keyboardist, not the
fourth. Geoff Downes was the Fourth.

Tony Kaye:  Yes, Time and a Word, The Yes Album, 90125, BG, Union
Rick Wakeman: Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales, Going for the One,
              Tormato, Union
Patrick Moraz: Relayer
Geoff Downes: Drama
Eddie Jobson: Three shots or so in the Owner of a lonely heart video :)

Also, Vangelis apparently sat in on a few rehearsals but didn't
fit in. Anyone else do the same?

Moraz is excellent...the keyboard playing on Relayer is quite intense
and perfectly suited to the chaotic energy of that album. He said he
played with the Moody Blues just because it was fun, and put no energy
into it, so I wouldn't really judge him from that. And, unfortunately,
his solo albums seem to be out of print except for the Moraz/Bruford
stuff. I wonder if his albums are available in Switzerland.

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:59:06 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Subject: Re: Wakeman v. Emerson
 <1992Nov17.211001.7715@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
 <BxxszJ.CAy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Nov20.144331.4770@telesciences.com>

How many guitarists (particularly speed metal/ guitar god) does it take to
screw in a light bulb?

Six, one to do it, and five others to say they could do it faster...

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: bearcub@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Husky Cub)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Top 10 Bands of all time
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:23:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Nov18.073117.20562@muddcs.claremont.edu> weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>In article <92321.101319TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>
>I'll stop at 5.

I won't. 

1)Queen
No explanation needed. But to wrap it in a nutshell, Best vocals ever, best
rock guitar ever, best harmonies, great band unity, most diversity, best
stadium shows, best grasp of a crowd, and much more.
2)Led Zeppelin
Great diversity.
3)Yes
Unique sound. Great Bass, vocals, keyboards.
4)Kiss
The most unique concept for a band. Great unity and great live shows. 
5)Rush
Another unique band. Have a once in a lifetime sound.
6)Prince
The melting pot of funk,rap,soul,R&B,and rock. 
7)Aerosmith
Will these guys ever retire? Great band unity.   
8)Police
A trio that will be missed. Great style.
9)Pink Floyd
The definition of art rock.
10)Rolling Stones
Another band that'll be around til the end of time. Great vocals, and great
unity.
.
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:00:02 -0500 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for rock instrumentals

geary@dragon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Big Bird) writes:
} Can anyone recommend any groups or albums that are mostly or competely
} instrumentals? Any kind of rock music. Do such groups or even albums
} exist? 
The best ones that I can think of:
Rush - La Villa Strangiato (off Hemispheres)
Rush - Where's My Thing (Roll the Bones)
Rush - Yyz (off Moving Pictures)
Led Zeppelin - White Summer/Black Mountain (I think its off Zep I
		, it is on the boxed set)


There are lots of good ones if you look around enough.

Erik
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