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From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:41:25 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <9209090110.AA07665@feds66.Prime.COM> "soc.culture.soviet
via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>Needless to say, more than 90% of alleged rapists were people who either
>had fully consentual sex with alleged "victim" ("victims" were most often
>recruited from women known for their, let's say, free sexual behaviour:
>of course, they were most innocent and most suffering from sexual encounters:
>well worth 12 years in camp!), either didn't try to have any sex with them
>at all. Also couple of people were sent in labour camps for raping of their
>wives (no kidding!!). Soviet goverment was very much concerned with moral
>image of soviet man, the builder of communism: the chapter under this title
>("Moral code of builder of communism") was even included into new (1962)
>Program of CPSU.
>
>Big placate with full text of "Moral code..." hang on the wall in each
>hair-cut salon (not only there, of course). And number of rapists in labour
>camps was consistenly increasing... What was happening with them there, is
>explained in above post by Misha. I can only add that many of them was
>young boys who happened dating girls whose parents didn't like them. The
>easiest way to get rid of unwanted cavalier was to press girl to sign a paper
>with a rape charge. Everything else was authomatic... Kind of feminists's
>paradise, right, Patricia?
>
>
>Dmitry

How people say, v kazhdoy shutke est' dolya shutki.
I mean, don't you see, Dmitry, that America is indeed
feminist paradise, and that they have very strict moral code
of `imperialistic communism' builders.
Here's the proof.

1. There are some cases known when men were convicted
for raping their own wives -- in America. Read newspapers.

2. Any not very politically correct behaviour can be
interpreted as `sexual harassment'. That is, if you say something
to a lady that she doesn't like very much you easily may end up in
prison.

3. There are actual cases when dissatisfied women sue
men with sexual harassment. For example, here at UMCP
some professor was sued by his secretary. 

4. New rule on stokers (spelling?, these are people who
follow somebody and make repeated propositions of mostly
sexual character, pristayut, po-russki) was introduced:
they can be put in prison before any hearing in court
-- just if some `person in danger' make report on them into police.
The reasoning behind this is that they are so terribly
dangerous that they have to be isolated at any price.
It was introduced only in one state, but others may follow.


BTW, don't you feel that there are some analogies between
American UK sexual harassment `article' and UK RSFSR article
no. 70 (antisoviet propaganda). Yes, the subject is different,
-- 

Vadim Maslov.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:17:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep08.212514.21409@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:

>Oh, yes - what about Dostoevskiy?

 He was a distinct antisemite. Take a look (I guess you did) at the
 volume 25 of his  PSS. 

 I bet Galya would not like her dollars being spent in support of such
a bastard. (Does she know he's dead, though)

 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:22:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.183019.8979@cco.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
>
>>My personal opinion: I see you (people with similar views) as  very good soil 
>>for communism revival.
>
>>Aleksey Y. Romanov
>
>I don't understand what you mean here.
>
>Let me take a guess. Perhaps you are trying to say that because I have
>concerns that seem like what used to be expressed by the American left
>wing, that I am somehow mildly pro-Communist or like those disgusting
>"liberal" intellectuals who went around telling Americans that Russia
>wasn't so bad, those dissidents were just "malcontents."
>
>I may even be more anti-communist than you are, because I was raised
>by a man who worshiped Stalin from California. He ruled our family with
>terror. He threatened his children with an axe regularly. He was a brutal
>nasty man and from what I have read about Stalin, they should have been
>twins. Too bad my father only had only small family to terrify and rape
>and threaten with murder evey day. He would have really loved to do
>this with an entire country, just like his great hero, Iosef Issarionovich.
>

I guess you and you-like are not a communist but provide a best soil for
blossom of communism. BTW you can find a lot of real communists who blame
Stalin in the similar way for moving away from Lenin's road.







-- 
Aleksey Y. Romanov

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russophob Belov
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:08:04 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

WARNING TO IDIOTS: both Ivan's and my postings are supossed to be
SARCASTIC. Yes, sarcastic. Please do not start flaming us! Please!

In article <2514@cronos.metaphor.com> covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy) writes:
>Remember that:
>
>"I have not read the novel of Pasternak, but, as all Soviet people,
>I angrily denounce this antisoviet bastard!"
>
>It became classic, but looks not everybody know the classic.
>
>
>Yes, I did read Belov's "Vse vperedi". I think that it's russophobic.
>Judge for yourself:

It depends on your set of values. If you believe in such atrocities as
individualism, democracy, freedom ansd other perversions, then you are
right. However, to the "salt of the earth" people like Belov, Shafarevich,
rasputin and Co., hte Russian guy in the book is good and the educated jew
is evil.
>
>There was a Russian guy and a Jewish guy.
>
>The Russian guy was a bad guy: 
> - stupid; he destroyed his and his family life only because 
>   of SUSPISION that his wife might had seen strip-tease when 
>   she visited Paris;

Oh, grow up! That woman had been to the rotten West! She saw Paris! She
could have seen a naked human body there! If that is not reasons for
divorce, what is?

> - not nice to his family: he divorced his wife and abondoned 
>   his kids;
> - alkohol-addicted: he drinked a lot and was fired several times
>   because of that;

But who invented alcohol in order to destroy the Rusian nation? Jews of course!

> - he didn't fight (even passively) the Communist system.

Look, you miss the six crucial points that all Russian patriots must be
aware of:

1) Those damn Jews should be shot for imposing Communism on the poor
Russians in 1917

2) Those damn Jews should be shot for destroying Communism, the best system
for Russians, in 1991.

3) Those damn Jews should be shot for starting ChK, NKVD, KGB.

4) The patriots of Pamyat' express their solidarity with the noble
organization of KGB and will do all in its power to strengthen it. (from
the Pamyat' manifesto).

5) The Jewish guilt in th eCommunist crimes is proved beyond doubt by the
fact that 90% of all Orthodox Christian churches were destroyed by
Communists

6) The Communists should be applauded for the fact that 98% of all Jewish
synagogues were destroyed by Communists

Are so stupid that oyu don't find these logical? Well, even great
mathematicians like Pontryagin, Vorobyev and Shafarevich find the above
logical. So must you.

>Hence, V.Belov and his "Vse vperedi!" is a russophobic novel.

You... Western humanist ... you! I hate you!

:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

Employer disagrees
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:42:32 GMT
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics

In article <18g824INNm94@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) writes:
>
>Patricia:
>	Thanks for the reference on Bulgakov's diaries.  I think 
>THE MASTER AND MARGARITA is one of the best and funniest books I've read.
>I always recommend it to my students and would love to use it in my
>20th Century World Literature classes, but a reasonably priced paperback
>edition just hasn't been available for some time. (I haven't checked this
>for a while, so there may be one now.)

  I wonder: did you (and Patricia) read M&M in Russian
or an English translation ?  What I happened to see
in book stores in US was really awful comparing to
original text. Though I cannot imagine how one could
translate "Master i Margarita" without losing 90% of
its flavors.
 S.V.

>
>I re-read M&M maybe once a year; I like it that much.
>
>J. Del Col
>-- 
>Jeff Del Col      *    "Reader, be tolerant of me. And of yourself.      
>A-B College       *     And of the singular aspirations of our     
>Philippi, WV      *     human race." --Czeslaw Milosz-- The Land of Ulro      
>                  *         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur)
Subject: Re: Cultural differences (Was Re: Who Is Afraid Of Patricia Schwarz?)
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.172941.31644@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:


>I do understand the pride taken in skills, knowledge or actions -
>those are something one gets as a result of his/her efforts.
>Something which was given to you at birth such as brown eyes or
>your name is something you did not fight for. If a choice was
>given to you between rotting in a concentration camp or keeping
>your name, then it would be a different story.

Oleg,
it's a good statement, but I think you are on a thin ice here.
For example, how would you handle such a toughy question like:
  Are You Proud to be a Jew?
In general case, the answer is "yes", but according to the above quote
there is nothing to be proud about.
Right?

Best regards.
Victor
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian authors & books
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:14:26 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago CILS

In article <15SEP199209263610@b56vxg.kodak.com> Mike Stukalin writes:

>  I beleive it [ "Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha" - L.A.] was published by Noviy Mir 
>  (not in the magazine, but as a separate book)

I am pretty sure it was published in "Novyj Mir" itself as well. 

>   From what I geather from "Bodals'ia Telenok S Dubom", Alexandr Twardowsky
>   was also trying to publish some Short Stories (Marfin Dvor, I think) in
>   Noviy Mir, but was denied. 

"_Matrenin Dvor". It was published in Ogonek 4 years ago.

>   Mike.S
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Organic Gardens
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:18:52 GMT


>It is also certainly true that the average urban American is
>still quite ignorant and un motivated to turn his yard into
>some food production.
>We hope to change this attitude, especially with the American
>economy falling as it has been.
>Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley

I grow my own herbs, including garlic, but what does one do about
complex carbs such as grains? Is it true that mass production is
better for that?

It's an interesting proposal, but gardening takes a lot of time. I
haven't worked up the courage yet to start growing tomatoes or other
vegetables. Herbs and garlic don't have many insect pests ( and planting
garlic underneath roses and citrus repels aphids very well!!!!)
Pest control can be a heartbreaking business, with or without chemicals.

Some friends of mine in Novosibirsk grow vegetables in the summer. They
were actually surprised that we didn't use our large back yard just
for food growing.

-patricia

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: Philip Morris
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:01:07 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.12 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <19407kINNgtg@agate.berkeley.edu>  muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
> In article <192pk9INNgo1@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
> >>"Esli vy ne zhivete to vam i ne umirat'".
> >
> >A line from VV's song if i recall correctly.
>
> Mjagkov, golosom i slovami Nikitina.

You are referring to the song in "Ironiya sud'by". Indeed, Nikitiny
are the ones who sang it, but they are not the authors.

Oleg
From: root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Russian Fonts
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:25:50 GMT
Organization: tbucks.com (private bitty-box)

I am in need of a Russian font to run under MS-DOS, or a Cyrillic word
processor. I also need printer fonts for an epson-type printer. PD or
shareware, I hope.

Pls reply email, thanks.

--
Timothy.


      ------- Time is our only resource, humor our only defense. -------
From: macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: DEMOCRATIC Estonia
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:22:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


  thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:

>The second question posed in the Estonian referendum in the end of june was 
>about whether the new (5000) applicants of citizenship of Estonia should 
>- exceptionally - aqcuire right to vote in the first parlamentary elections 
>of the Estonian republic. The proposal was turned down with a tiny 
>majority, unfortunately.
>
>The vast majority of applicants will be granted the citizenship (at least
>90 per cent, when not 95 or more, but the process will take several
>months). Excluded from the citizenship will surely be those involved
>in the activities of the red army and KGB, and it goes without
>saying, gangsters and such criminal elements.

  It will be interesting to see how involvement in the red army or KGB
activities will be defined.  I do hope that the Estonians manage to 
avoid the witch hunts for KGB collaborators that have plagued much of 
eastern Europe these last few years. Too many lives have already been
ruined due to unsubstantiated accusations of this type.


						-PCM
-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: A Flaming Idea
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:15:04 GMT

Heheh ;) this will probably get me some hate mail for sure,
but I've had this discussion with some other people who didn't think it
was crazy, so here is my question:

Was Gogol gay?

I ask because I was reading a collection of his letters from Europe,
and there were some letters between him and his "beloved companion"
that made it look like Gogol was living with this man, in love, in Paris,
but this guy had an affair with a waiter at their favorite cafe, and
Gogol left Paris for Rome, extremely upset, begging and pleading for
his friend to remember their love and leave this slutty young waiter and
come to Rome.

That made me think (uh oh some of you out there don't think I can
do that!):

Is it possible that one factor in Gogol's being unable to write the end to
Dead Souls is that he knew Chichikov should be redeemed through love,
but Gogol loved men, and the Religion he had fallen under really hated that
and made him burn his book, and he committed suicide out of self-hatred?

Hmmmmmm.....

His letters seem pretty explicit. The man he loved in Paris was definitely
gay, although that doesn't mean Gogol ever slept with him.

But the characters in "Ivan Fiodorovich Shponka and His Aunt" sure do
seem like a gay man and his Amazonian-lesbian aunt, who is an unrepentant
virgin and can shoot as well as any man. And Ivan Fiodorovich "did not dance
the mazurka" and "spent his time in pursuits peculiar to a mild and
gentle soul" like polishing his buttons.

-patricia, putting on flameproof jumpsuit and spraying homophobe-repellant
on the terminal screen
From: kly@sci.ccny.cuny.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Political Commissar
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:32:22 GMT
Reply-To: kly@sci.ccny.cuny.edu
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility

Comrades!

In name of revolutionary people, Patricia Schwartz is appointed the
Political Commissar of this group. Patricia, lead us toward this
brave new world without sexism and homophobia! Bolsheviks told us
that all the mankind's problems stem from the private property. They
told us that exploitation, violence, rape, ignorance, and every other 
impediment to the pursuit of happiness, will disappear as soon as private
property will cease to exist.

They were dead wrong! All the problems were, in fact, caused by
patriarchal family and related sexual stereotypes! And as soon as
sexism and homophobia will disappear all of the above will be fulfilled.
Through away read banner with hammer and sickle! Condom will be our
messiah! Condom will free the world from patriarchal oppression.
Under the leadership of Patricia, march fearlessly forward
under pink triangle banner with condom and water-based lubricant tube on it.
The future belongs to Condomism plus lubrication of all the country!
Tremble heterosexual white males, we are coming! Our new revolutionary
Inclusive Academy of Sciences will have its proper share of
lesbians in chains and leather.

Thirty second attention span is the most potent weapon of our revolution.
The forces of old patriarchal order will never be able to muddle the
clearness of our open minds in thirty seconds! This is why Politically
Correct Revolution is undefeatable!

Vpered k pobede feminizma! K borbe za delo condomizma bud6 gotov!

                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: budziak@vxcrna.cern.ch (Alfred P.Budziak)
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.194232.23946@physics.ucla.edu>, viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk) writes...
>In article <18g824INNm94@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) writes:
>>
>>Patricia:
>>	Thanks for the reference on Bulgakov's diaries.  I think 
>>THE MASTER AND MARGARITA is one of the best and funniest books I've read.
>>I always recommend it to my students and would love to use it in my
>>20th Century World Literature classes, but a reasonably priced paperback
>>edition just hasn't been available for some time. (I haven't checked this
>>for a while, so there may be one now.)
> 
>  I wonder: did you (and Patricia) read M&M in Russian
>or an English translation ?  What I happened to see
>in book stores in US was really awful comparing to
>original text. Though I cannot imagine how one could
>translate "Master i Margarita" without losing 90% of
>its flavors.
> S.V.
  Belive me, It is possible!!!. I read "Master i Margarita"
in Polish and than in original Russian version. Since
this time I have used to read again once or twice per year.
Of course, I understand that translations into slavonics languages
are not so dificoult as English translation but...
I read this book in 82 first time (the first Polish issue) and
in 87 original issue (It was not easy to find). And sometimes
I can not decided which of this version I like better the translation
or the original one. 
            best regards Fred
> 
>>
>>I re-read M&M maybe once a year; I like it that much.
>>
>>J. Del Col
>>-- 
>>Jeff Del Col      *    "Reader, be tolerant of me. And of yourself.      
>>A-B College       *     And of the singular aspirations of our     
>>Philippi, WV      *     human race." --Czeslaw Milosz-- The Land of Ulro      
>>                  *         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:25:14 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Sep08.203643.27536@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_ writes:
>
>Not that I could suppose for a moment that Bulgakov was an antisemite, but I for
>one, would not read a book by an antisemite or racist.

But what if that book wouldn't have distinctive label -
"written by antisemit and racist"? :-)
Would you read book by slave-owner? :-) Like some of the founding fathers?
Btw, would you read a book by non-religious man? Non Christian?

>I would not want my dollars to support the course that I repel.
This is completely other issue.
At least, you can get it in the library :-)
I didn't read Nash sovremennik or Moskva simply because 
I've known all what they may say there. Plus that filthy feeling.

>Also, I don't believe an antisimit or racist  is capable of writing something of
>a general humane value.

This is really serious question. Seems that as long as they do not
touch area of their deficiency they may write as anybody else.
Though they would touch :-)

Talent is not equal to saintness. 
It's more from God - 
i chem sluchainei, tem vernei
zvukov staknutyh dvoichatki. :-) :-)

But, of course, we can always restrict ourselves almost any way we want
without sacricfying (sp?) anything - there would be more than enough
left.

Oh, yes - what about Dostoevskiy?

>Galya.
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: A Flaming Idea
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>patricia@CCO.CALTECH.EDU ("Patricia M. Schwarz") writes:
>> ... it's nice to see another woman in this group.
>
>Ditto. This is a sexist remark and I apologize in advance.
>
>Oleg

The more the merrier.

-Mka
And maybe the more civilized.  And if that is sexist, I'll live
with it.