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From: Blair_W._Sandler@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:25:58 PST
Subject: Hardware problem on Plus

I'm having hardware problems with a Mac Plus.  If you know anything about any
of 
this, I'd love some help.  Otherwise, it's over to the repair place.  I trust
them, and 
they're GOOD (CJS Systems in Berkeley, CA); but they charge money.  OK, here's
the 
deal:

I bought a used Plus, and then bought 4 used 1-MEG SIMMs to install.  I've
done this 
many times, so no big deal.  Plus worked, new/used SIMMs worked, I set up a
good 
system on the old, serial port non-scsi hard drive (!) and shut down the
machine.

My sister took it to her home in Davenport (up in the mountains near Big Basin
State 
Park -- half-hour drive over VERY bumpy dirt road).  She has no power yet
(solar is 
coming someday soon...), so she took it back down the road into Santa Cruz to
a friend's 
house.  Turned it on, got the Dead Mac Face.  She turned off the hard drive
and booted 
up off a good floppy.  Same thing.  I don't know the number that showed under
the 
face, but apparently it had a two in it, because when she called CJS Systems
and told 
them the number, they said: either (1) two of the SIMMs are bad; (2) the SIMM
sockets 
are bad; (3) there is corrosion on the sockets; or (4) there is corrosion
between the 
SIMMs and the sockets.  That's what they said over the phone just from her
description 
of what happened.

I got the machine back, took out the 1-meg SIMMs and reinstalled the original
256k 
SIMMS.  Now, instead of the Dead Mac Face, the blinking question mark that means, 
"feed me a system file."  But get this: I insert a perfectly good system disk
(later checked 
out on my II ci), and it spits it out with an "X" that means, "there's no
system on that 
disk."  Hmm.  Very strange indeed.

So then I put the 4 1-meg SIMMs in my ci, where they seem to work fine (I'm
using 
them now -- 12 megs where formerly I had only 8).

OK.  It's not the RAM, so it must be the sockets.  Open up the Plus, remove
the 256k 
SIMMs, inspect the sockets.  Well, there's nothing I can see to indicate any
problem.  In 
my ignorance, they look fine.

"Oh, dear, what can the matter be...?"

If you have any ideas, I'd like to hear them.

THANKS!

Blair

P.S.  Please e-mail me  because I don't read this newsgroup often.
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From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: DogCow - where it comes from (was: Re: "Windoze" slow? Naah...Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:52:13 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>>hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>>>> Imagine that. MacDraw for Windows! I don't think it will happen
>>>> because Claris is a spinoff of Apple Computer.
>
>I found out where the Dogcow comes from (download it from cica!). Go
>to any Mac and pull up the Page Setup. Click on _Options_. See the 
>DogCow? Its supposedly named "Claris" - supposedly the mascot for the 
>Mac Systems Software group.

Actually, unlike the company "Claris", the dogcow's name is "Clarus".

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From: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: HP LJ series II on a Mac
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:25:24 GMT
Reply-To: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Dec13.012109.7057@news.columbia.edu> rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang) writes:
>In article <markg.0jul@amiganet.chi.il.us> markg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mark Gums) writes:
>there'e a great PD driver around to drive HP printers, provide a nice interface
>to control it before printing anything. Works great. Check around locally.
>>
I meant to say:


Uhh...I've never heard of a PD Macintosh HP LaserJet driver (PCL).
And, believe me, I've looked. Could someone tell me about this?
Mark? Thanks.


>
>-rich
>Richard Sucgang  : Dept. of Anatomy and Cell Biology Columbia University
>(sucgang@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu | rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu)
>"...Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, individually, collectively or otherwise." 


-rich
Richard Sucgang  : Dept. of Anatomy and Cell Biology Columbia University
(sucgang@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu | rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu)
"...Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, individually, collectively or otherwise."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:50:55 PST
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins

>Its cleaner looking only if you're comparing it to 640x480 >vga. Most 
>Windows users will tell you that Windows needs about 800x600 >on a 14
>inch monitor (or 1024x768 with 8514 fonts) for a nice desktop. >The 
>difference is amazing - rather than being cluttered, the >desktop looks
>very free - lots of room for windows.

I think you missed the point.  The size and space isn't the really important
thing.  The icons in Windows and especially in OS/2 don't look as good as
system 7.1.  In fact they don't even look as good as the systems Apple put out
two years ago.  The appearance of Mac OS's is cleaner and more user friendly. 
Also, each of the applications must be standardized to work with the system,
eliminating any chance that the commands will be different between programs. 
I've heard PC users say that they can make their Windows look just like a Mac
interface.  So far I haven't seen it.  I'd like to see a copy of such a thing
if anyone can post it online.  All PC users say it as if it is really easy,
then I challenge them to prove it.  However, even if that is done (which I
highly doubt), Windows users cannot make their interface as simple as the
Mac's.

-David

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From: eric.larson@f620.n2605.z1.ieee.org (eric larson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Where the mac really wins
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:29:04 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2605/620 - Shockwave Rid, Freehold NJ


 # In article <1g4dqfINN1v0@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig
 # Richmond - division) writes:

 ##Waiting for the Alpha II and PowerPC II to blow the P6 out of the water
 #                  ^^^^^^^ Beta 9-)
 ##more than the current crop blow away the P5.

 # Funny.. NT will run on the Alpha, R4000, etc.

Sure. But there is no market clout behind these platforms - in other words, I
won't be able to buy Alpha or R4000 hardware systems without a major hassle,
and getting shrinkwrapped binaries (software) for them will be near
impossible, and EXPENSIVE, while IBM and Apple will be selling the PowerPC's,
which I will be able to buy, easily.

No, it's going to be Intel vs. PowerPC. NT ports to other CPUs are smoke and
mirror market hype from Wild Wille & Co.

It will be interesting to see if IBM can win the long-term war with Microsoft.
They really do have a lot bigger R&D budget, and sooner or later Bill Gates is
going to lose his focus. One guy can only do it for so long.

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From: georg@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: 12" b/w vs. 14" color question
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:22:09 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de
Summary: question about apple monitors
Keywords: Apple, Mac, monitor

Do the 12" monochrome and the 14" color monitors from Apple display
the same number of pixels horizontally (vertically)?

Please reply to
georg@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

Thanks!
From: skum@bessel.umd.edu (Allon Stern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Power light on IIsi not working
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:46:08 GMT
Organization: Skum Knows Unix, Maybe

In article <19864.2B322FCD@zeus.ieee.org> Josh.Goldstein@f947.n107.z1.ieee.org (Josh Goldstein) writes:
>The same thing happens to me and other friends with IIsi's. It must be
>just some flaw, But it does worry anfd annoy me also.
>
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> Josh Goldstein - Internet: Josh.Goldstein@f947.n107.z1.ieee.org

I believe the problem is related to an internal connection in the IIsi
which can also cause problems with the speaker not working.

Try removing the motherboard of the IIsi and clean the leaf contacts
(kinda obvious where they are) which go to the speaker and power
light.  I think.  I haven't been inside a IIsi for a while.
--
Allon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: Video Card like MAZ
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:46:38 GMT

In article <14DEC199213575130@donald.uoregon.edu> dpuckett@donald.uoregon.edu (David Puckett) writes:
>Does anyone make an 8-bit video card for a IIci that will fill in the unused
>borders of a 14 inch Apple color monitor a la MaxAppleZoom?

Yes -- Apple.  Just get an Apple video card and use MaxAppleZoom with
it.

--
Steve Kanefsky
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:15:19 GMT

In article <Bz5uwI.LJ5@world.std.com> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:
>ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:


>Option click on the desktop.  Useful if you have two few monitors and
>too many open applications.  There also is a really useful freeware app
>called applicon that allows you to have an Icon for each open app and
>a hot spot to pull the Icons to the top.

Must admit thats a neat trick. Still it only works if those
are document/app windows. Does nothing for you if the windows
are filesystem windows.






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From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: DogCow - where it comes from (was: Re: "Windoze" slow? Naah...Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:55:21 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <BzABDB.DMB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> (comp.sys.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware), ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.164642.4975@infonode.ingr.com> bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
> >
> >>hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
> 
> >>> Imagine that. MacDraw for Windows! I don't think it will happen
> >>> because Claris is a spinoff of Apple Computer.
> >
> >In the latest PC Magazine there is an add for FileMaker Pro for Windows.
> >So Claris is already porting stuff to Windows, cause that's where
> >the money is.
> 
> By the way...
> 
> I found out where the Dogcow comes from (download it from cica!). Go
> to any Mac and pull up the Page Setup. Click on _Options_. See the 
> DogCow? Its supposedly named "Claris" - supposedly the mascot for the 
> Mac Systems Software group.

Actually it's Clarus, not Claris.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kferg@vpnet.chi.il.us (Kevin Ferguson)
Subject: help - dim SE/30 display
Reply-To: kferg@vpnet.chi.il.us
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07:41 GMT


HELP!!!       ...there, that's better.

My SE/30's display is slowly dying.  After it warms up, the 
display will dim until it's at about 50% brightness.  After 
a variable period of time, the display will brighten back 
up.  This cycle will continue ad nauseum.  That's it; there
are no other symptoms.

It is sometimes possible to cause to return by gently
tapping the machine.  This doesn't always work and it
doesn't matter where it is tapped. 

I am looking for information that will allow me to determine
which components are failing.  The actual repairs are not
hard IF you know what to replace.

TiA,
kevin

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kferg@vpnet.chi.il.us         you perceive the web they weave."
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                                                - Moody Blues
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac SE/30.
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:05:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bz9Er2.Btv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End) writes:
>>this leaves the main product line free to represent quality at cost
>
>The only problem is that the main line is also suffering from the complex
>web of marketing schemes (eg. IIvx vs. IIcx, IIci).

Jim:

  I disagree, the IIvx doesn't seem to be such a bad machine, the LC's
are being made reasonable, and the si's are being buried.  The ci might
stay around, the new quads, the Duo's, and PB 160/180's all look like
solid, well built machines.  If you ignore the oversea's vi and SEARS
performa's you have a pretty solid line up.

                                     -- Nick



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From: mharm@pollux.usc.edu (Michael Harm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: double decker LC (extra pds slots!) info?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:58:28 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Are there any ways to give an lc extra slots that don't cost too much?
I'm looking at getting a bigger monitor (say 16") which means a card
(I think).  But my poor slow lc will become *really* slow if it
has to drive a bigger monitor, so I'm in the catch 22 of needing an
accelerator card.  but to get that, I lose the pds slot I need for
the video card!

I saw an advertisment in the latest macuser (or maybe macworld, can't
remember) for a clip on for the lc and lcII.  You pop off the lid,
slap this thing in, and pop your old lid on top of it, giving the lc
extra space.  According to the add, it gives a huskier power supply,
room for a second internal HD, and 3 (yes, three) pds slots.  Advertised
at about $350.  

This may do the trick; but for $350, should I maybe
wait and see if there is an upgrade path to the LC III (real or mythical)
which may be fast enough?  After all, a big monitor, daystar accelerator 
card, video card and extra clip on box seems like a lot of stuff to invest 
in a machine that still has a 16 bit bus!  

A lot of people seem to be in my position; bought an lc cause it was
cheap and powerful enough for the time; now I find I want more speed,
better video etc.

So, any info on ways to expand an LC?  Any info on upgrade paths to
other machines (LC III, or maybe something even heftier, like a CI?)
Any other (cheaper) ways to make 1 pds slot into 2?

Any info greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Mike Harm
mharm@pollux.usc.edu
Cognitive Science / Psycholinguistics
Univ. of Southern California
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From: nmehl@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Nathan J. Mehl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PowerBook Track Ball Rubies??
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:31:19 GMT
Reply-To: nmehl@ccat.sas.upenn.edu
Organization: Nihilists for a Better Tomorrow

In article <derosa.724610047@mica> motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net writes:

>Anyway, I noticed three small white blocks
>with red dots on them in the track ball 
>housing.  It appears that the track ball
>rests on these small red points.  The question
>is what are they made of so that they are 
>slick enought to allow the ball to rotate
>and yet not so hard that they scratch the 
>ball and yet hard enought that they don't
>wear away in a few months of use?

Well, it seems by the title that you figured this one out 
already - ruby!  Synthetic, of course, but it was the only
material that fit the bill.

(This is coming from a non-powerbook-owner and a non-apple-
employee, so take it for what it's worth, btw.  But I do 
recall reading this information somewhere on the net...)

+---------[Nathan J. Mehl]-----------[nmehl@ccat.sas.upenn.edu]--------+
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From: tim@apple.com (Tim Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:24:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset

In article <gf_L=Z200Vp=8UNwxz@andrew.cmu.edu>, fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Faisal Nameer Jawdat) wrote:
> 
> 
> wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) writes:
> > This is just my two bits, and it is said in hindsight, but if Apple were
> > to make this kind of arrangement today, I would say that they ought
> > to use the Alpha chip.  From what I know of it, (which ain't all that
> > much) it seems ideal for emulations.  If it can run OSF and VMS, then
> > (IMHO) it ought to be able to do `Mac' and MC680XX pretty well.  Of
> > course then we'd all have to be 64-bit clean, I guess.
> 
> The Alpha doesn't have to emulate anything to run OSF or VMS because
> unix is hardware independent, while VMS only runs on the VAX
> instruction set, which the Alpha implements a superset of.

The Alpha architects went to some lengths to make porting VMS and VAX
assembly language code to Alpha was fairly painless (e.g. r31 is the "zero"
register), but the Alpha is by no means a "superset" of the VAX instruction
set!  It is an entirely new, 64-bit RISC instruction set.

As far as emulation capability goes, Alpha doesn't appear to offer anything
that isn't already available in the PowerPC architecture, and there are a
couple of instructions in the PowerPC instruction set which can help a lot
in instruction cracking.

     -- Tim Olson
        Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset
        (tim@apple.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Cleaning keyboards
Keywords: keyboards
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:22:25 GMT

dbenson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David "Network Man" Benson) writes:

>I manage a network of Macs used in a newspaper production environment.
>The systems are used constantly by different people all day. As a result
>the keyboards get pretty dirty. Is there a way of pulling the keys off
>(like on an IBM PC) to clean them effectively? What tools are necessary?
>Currently I use windex and paper towels (after disconnecting the
>keyboard of course...)

David--

You CAN pull off the individual keys by using something like a
screwdriver, but it's a very delicate operation, and in my experience,
doing so won't get out the real dirt.  Instead, just unplug the keyboards,
take them to a nice big empty table, turn 'em upside down and remove the
screws.  After that you can just take the suckers apart: it's all modular
inside, so keys won't go flying all over the floor or anything.  Get
yourself a nice economy-sized bottle of 409 and a couple rolls of paper
towels, and go to it.  The two parts of the case itself you can just scrub
down, and then you can brush out the collected dust and crud in/around the
circuit board...just use common sense here (i.e. don't hose down the
circuit board).  I find that Q-tips soaked in 409 or other cleaner is the
best way to get grime out from between the keys.

When you're done, just put everything back in order and screw it back
together.  It's an annoying job, but it does help a lot.

--Aaron

Standard disclaimers apply: I'm not responsible for electrocutions, melted
keys, falling asteroids, etc, resulting from the above advice. :)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: KELLENBER_J@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (KELLENBERGER,JAKOB)
Subject: DayStar Power Cache vs. System 7 32bit addressing ?
Organization: ETH ZUERICH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:53:23 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi there !

I've got another question about the DayStar 40 MHz PowerCache with FPU, how
about the compatibility of the Power Cache with System7 32bit addressing (
in the control panel memory ) ????
If you have any eperience with this subject please send me a msg. to the
following e-mail address :
Kellenber_J@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch

MfG  James
From: m1dkk00@fed.frb.gov (David K. Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SCSI on a Machintosh
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: m1dkk00@fed.frb.gov ()
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC


Help
I have a generic SCSI disk drive and would like to connect it to my
MacII.  I heard that the Macintosh external drive cable had a different
pin configuration.  Something about pin 50 not being grounded or something.

Thanks to those who reply.

David

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