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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Are the Falcons really that lame?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:28:29 GMT

In article <douthit.725040011@neptune> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>>Seems like the Falcons are MNF's 90lb weaklings,
>>cream puffs, pushovers, jellfish and you add
>>the rest.
>
>Whats the matter John, can't you give the Cowboys some credit.  Did you give
>the 9ers any credit when they blew them out on Monday night ?
>
Hey! We set them up for you! Hell, with all the mistakes the
hapless Falcons made, a REAL team would have beat them even worse! :-)
STOP! Only kidding. Chill!

>Anyway, we know the Cowboys won because of bad officiating :^)
>
Well, at least now every team in the NFL has benefited from
bad officiating. Just don't cry when it goes against you. :-)

>BTW, thanks for helping me draw the rath of the football gods.
>
Por nada!
>
>		-Ron (See ya in Candlestick) D.
>
I'll be in row 3, 50 yard line! :-) I won't give you the section,
but I am easy to spot. Just look for the MANLY MAN in red! :-)
Right ALN?!!! :-)
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: INJURY UPDATES
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:18:32 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Here are some key injury updates as heard on the CBS radio network:

San Diego: It seems they have snapped back Humphrie's dislocated
left shoulder back in place and most probably he should be
ready for next week.

Bufallo: Kelly sprained knee ligaments, on the sidelines on crutches.
         Thermal...broken ribs...

and BTW, the Astrodome is really a house of pain. It has literally
been an emergency hospital ward during the Buffalo/Oilers game.

S.H

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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Answers to Super Bowl Trivia Time!
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:08:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.025827.25843@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>When did Mike Ditka win a Super Bowl as a player?
>
>Paul

Ditka was on the Cowboys squad from 71-72 which would place him at 
Superbowls V and VI.  V was a loss to Baltimore, and VI was a win
over Miami.

Flores was the AFC coach who has a Superbowl win as a player and a coach.
Kansas City, Superbowl IV, and Raiders, Superbowls XV and XVIII.

What were some of those other questions?  Active career rushing leaders with
Superbowl MVP awards?  Marcus Allen is at around 12th on the list of all-time
rushers and he was the MVP of Superbowl XVIII.  Otis Anderson, MVP of 
Superbowl XXV, is at around 8th.  Inactive rushing leaders who were 
Superbowl MVPs include Franco Harris (5th), John Riggins (6th), and
Larry Csonka (14th).

I can't remember the other questions.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:05:18 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1992Dec15.174724.8216@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <13937@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes...
>>  I agree with you here, the 1980's 9ers were probably the best team of
                                                ^^^^^^^^
                                                ********
>>all time, about the 90's 9ers - the jury is still out (for another
>>8 years) 
>
>ALRIGHT, NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!
>
>You people are nothing but a bunch of little tiny weenies.  I'm sick 
>of this "best of all time" crap.  IF YOU THINK THE 49ERS OF THE 80S 
>WERE A BETTER TEAM THAN THE 60S PACKERS YOUR BRAIN IS DEFECTIVE.
>
>I could put up with the "best QB of all time" and "best safety of all 
>time" crap but this "best team of all time" has shoved me over the 
>edge.  I'll bet none of you even remember the 60s Packers.
>
>I'm not going to say that the 60s Packers were better than the 80s 
>49ers.  I don't want to insult you.  But you better freakin knock it 
>off 'CUS YOU'RE REALLY PISSIN ME OFF!!!!!
>
>JGH
>
>PS: Perhaps you'd like to explain on what basis you've declaired that 
>Lott is better than HoF safety Willie Wood.

Cause most of these guys never saw him, they still wore nappies/diapers
when he was around. NOONE, IMHO, can ever say one person/team is the best
of all time, 'cause they were not there... just add the emphasis to
probably every time you read these sentences and it all works out just fine.

In fact maybe I could write a script to do this.....


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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:14:20 GMT

In  <1992Dec29.205416.9736@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>
>Hey, I'm no economist, but I believe that a good decision-making
>process, and the deep pockets to back it, is what makes successful
>teams.  That's why Dallas is back at the top, but the Raiders just
>keep declining.

Actually, this was the gist of why Davis moved the Raiders from
Oakland to LA.  He thought that he'd have more economic resources to
use for the free-agent era he pictured as coming.  It hasn't quite
worked out that way, with 50,000+ empty seats at the Coliseum.  Hard
to say if his local radio is worth more than it was in Oakland, but he
really didn't believe that the No. Cal could support two teams.

Maybe he should have sticked to X and O tactics instead of Strategic
Logistics.

-dB

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: ANOTHER GREAT GAME!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:06:18 GMT

FINAL: Eagles  36  Saints  20

Whew, I am too beat to do a play by play after the
Oilers-Bills game! :-)

Well, I have probably seen the best PLAYOFFs ever, I think,
this Sunday!!  Two come from behind wins. Kudos to the Eagles!
It didn't look promising, but somehow the Eagles dug in and
Reggie White started the comeback!

Eagles 7  Saints  7

Heyward rushing TD
Cunningham TD 57 yd pass to Barnett

Morten Anderson, 35 yd FG

Eagles  7  Saints  10

Hebert to Quinn Early, TD in the end zone!

Eagles  7  Saints  17

Richey Jackson hits Cunningham and knocks ball from
Randall.  Saints recover.

Morten Anderson, 42 yd FG

Eagles  7  Saints  20

Ruzek 40 yd FG 

Eagles  10  Saints  20

Cunningham pass to Barnett double coverage, TD in the end zone.

Eagles  17  Saints  20

10:37 left

Seth Joyner INT's Hebert's pass on first play after the
Eagles TD. Bad pass decision!!!

Cunningham HO to Sherman, runs wide left, TD!
Great execution by the O line....

Eagles  24  Saints  20

6:48 left in game....

The Eagles are fired up.....

Reggie White, tackles Hebert in the end zone...SAFETY!!
Definitely an IMPACT PLAYER!

Eagles  26  Saints  20

5:36 left in game......
Amazing how the momemtum can swing in a game! This
Sunday's games were the best I have ever seen, I think! :-)

Ruzek FG 

Eagles  29  Saints  20

2:36 left in game...is there another comeback in store?
Hmmmm, I don't think so.

Hebert picke off by Eric Allen for an easy TD! 

The FAT LADY HAS SUNG! Really! :-)

Eagles  36  Saints  20

2:17 left in game....hmmmm, no comeback in store here!


-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: zz96pc@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Pedro Cruz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers
Keywords: Going to the Playoffs
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:55:22 GMT
Distribution: usa



 The Chargers made history by being the first pro football team
 to go 0-4 and make the play-offs! All they have to do is beat
 Seahawks, who has been playing good "D" lately, and they'll win
 the AFC West!!!
 I know I know, weak schedule and all but where are all the other
 fifth schedule teams?....
 I know I know, they lost their first four to teams with winning
 records but look... New coaching staff, a new QB without the
 luxury of a preseason and only one blowout, not bad I'll take it.

 Now I'm not saying the Bolts are the best, but I think they can
 line-up with anyone and give them a run for their money and have
 a good chance to win. That's all I want, is a chance.

 They can go long, they can go short, they can run up the middle,
 they can run outside... and they can play DEFENSE!!!

 Don't take the Chargers to lightly and watch out for
 Junior SayOuch and the BOLTERGEIST defense..

 Its been ten long years!!!! The wait is over!!!!

 Go Chargers!!

 -Dro
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Alamo at Buffalo
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:47:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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Tomorrow at 12:00 (noon) there will be a moment of silent prayer for the
BILLS! The next SUPER BOWL champs.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Beef 24 Houston 21

Yea bring on dem fishes! YEA
From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SKINS RULE
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:16:12 GMT

I wrote:
>it is not specific to the Redskins.  I don't have exact numbers, but
>I'd wager that since 1980 or so the defending Super Bowl champion has
>failed to make the playoffs more than half the time.

Correction:  from 1980-1991, six out of 12 defending Super Bowl
champions failed to make the playoffs, so "more than half" was a bit
of an exaggeration.  Of the 6 that did make the playoffs, two lost in
the wild-card game, so only 4 of 12 made made it as far as their
conference semifinals.

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 09:08:40 CET
From: RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Divisional statistics, week 15

Hi all,
the NFC avenges its 0-4 week of a few weeks ago, and clinches the
season. The NFC Central 'upsets' the AFC Central.


Divisional statistics for week 15
---------------------------------
           All games     Outside div.
AFC East     3-2            2-1
AFC Central  0-4            0-4
AFC West     2-3            2-3

NFC East     3-2            1-0
NFC Central  3-2            3-2
NFC West     3-1            2-0

AFC - NFC matchups for week 15
------------------------------
AFC - NFC     0 - 4

Cumulative divisional statistics up to week 15 (including)
----------------------------------------------------------
             All games     Outside div.
AFC East    32-38          14-20  (0.4118)
AFC Central 29-27          19-17  (0.5278)
AFC West    33-37          18-22  (0.4500)

NFC East    38-32          20-14  (0.5882)
NFC Central 30-40          12-22  (0.3529)
NFC West    34-22          23-11  (0.6765)

Cumulative AFC - NFC matchups up to week 15 (including)
-------------------------------------------------------
AFC - NFC    19 - 27


Cheers, Rene Zandbergen
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Jills had their ass kicked
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:47:43 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <Bzz3oC.D2H@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.072502.18765@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>In article <BzyFJB.5zo@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>>>What the hell's the deal with that stupid subject line? Can't you ever say
>>>anything intelligent? (that was a rhetorical question)
>>
>>>
>>Ah HA, sounds like a whiner here! How about the Buffalo Bills
>>were soundly beat by a superior Defense and a 2nd string QB?
>>Or how about Machine Gun Kelly was injured and the Bills fell
>>apart? No?! Hmmmm, how about Glenn has three INTs and Del Rio
>>and company thoroughly beat (not kick ASS) the Bills. Anyway
>>you want to interpret it, the Bill LOST! 
>
>How about, the Oilers beat a Buffalo team without four pro bowlers
>(Cornelius Bennett, Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, and Steve Tasker)? Or, how
>about the Oilers won against a second string QB?

Well, Smith and Kelly played a good deal of the game....
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles news
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:12:54 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Well I haven't seen this on the net yet so for all you Eagle fans out there:

1. Safety Wes Hopkins has been placed on IR by the Eagles.  Apparently, he 
will be undergoing season ending arthroscopic surgery to determine the cause
of the pain he's been experiencing.

2. After receiving a (well deserved) "Eagles Man of the Year" award for his
charity contributions off the field, Reggie White learned that his step-father
had been murdered! He was the apparent victim of a robbery.

cheers,

satish nair
giants (is he gone yet?)
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Subject: Re: Superbowl
From: rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:52 EST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lilly Research Laboratories
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 39

In article <1h4u09INNdra@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM writes...
>I like the Chargers. Good offense and defense, special teams, and
>a 6 game winning streak. Also they have won 10 of the last 11.
> 
I totally disagree.  San Diego is a nice team, and can beat
anyone on any given day, BUT, they did have a 5th place schedule,
and did start 0-4.

In looking at their schedule, we see that their 0-4 start was:

Home vs KC
At Denver
Home vs Pittsburgh
At Houston

This was easily the toughest part of their schedule:
then they played:

Home vs Seattle
at Indianapolis
Home vs Denver
Home vs Indianapolis
at K.C.
at Cleveland
Home vs Tampa Bay
Home vs Raiders
at Phoenix
Home vs Cincinnati
at Raiders
at Seattle

This is not a scary schedule, and I think it will be telling
once the playoffs start.

Mark


> 
> 
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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:51:04 GMT

<1992Dec21.225239.27876@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@roebling.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) said:
>In article <29710117@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>>(walid al-sabah) /  9:43 am  Dec 18, 1992 /
>>>From the L.A. Times of Thursday 12/17/92
>>
>>>	Overrated? Even though San Francisco  49er Coach George   Seifert
>>>	has a 54-3 record, including a Super Bowl victory in 1990, former
                 ^
		 So who was the coach when they lost 6 games last year?

Gordon
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From: vikram@mipos2.intel.com (Vikram Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ricky Watters
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:08:53 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

In article <c1jc03vVc5Tr00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ahmed@uts.amdahl.com (Syed S. Ahmed) writes:
>
>Ready, set, Joe !! Can't wait to see him on Monday.
>
>--
>sabeel - A 4TNiner Fan
Watters should start gaining confidence after the Lions game just in time for the
playoffs. The niners should however give more rushing time to him than Amp Lee who
even though is good is not in the same class...I hate a more-than-1-back system(eg: 
Raiders)...so I hope the niners were using the two-back game just to ease Ricky
into the playing situation. 

As for Joe, he looks good on the side-line...He looks so frail that even one whiff
might blow him away. Young looks solid and is good. Last year, there was a problem
in terms of his learning to win but this year he has been phenomenal. I hope
Joe does badly and gets traded to the Raiders(eg: get Lott back to finish
his career here...)Joe is/was good but his time is over. Young deserves a break
and a stable one at that..A few weeks ago on MNF, Joe said that he cant see
himself being a backup....Grew up guy and learn to face the truth...I reiterste,
he is/was good but that was a different era. This ball club now belongs to Young,
Bono and Musgrave.

Goodbye Joe and thanks for all the fish....
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.060909.21423@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>But I thought the issue was NFC vs. AFC???  
Wow, if you want to argue, at least try to check out the 10+ articles
in this thread. The "streaks of 11-2 and 11-1" and "the AFC representatives
in the early 70s were actually NFL teams ...." were about NFC vs AFC
(overall)?

>Also, just using the SuperBowl as the only comparison suffers because it
>means you are using the faulty assumption that if the #1 team in the NFC is
>better than the #1 team in the AFC, then the NFC is the stronger conference.
Are you Gary Strand's evil twin. Who's using the SB to compare conference?

>And you avoid the other issue with "#1 in NFC > #1 in AFC, thus, NFC > AFC"
And you like Gary, like to fabricate a faulty proposition to argue against
the premise. It's like 

   2 > 1 doesn't imply 2*x > 1*x, thus we shouldn't say 2>1.

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Skins Back-stab the Vikes :-) and other playoff games.
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:03:33 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

What a way to pay back the Christmas gift which 
the Vikes gave to the Skins.

Anyway, the Vikes were totally dominated, both sides
of the ball game and to some extent, I feel that the
Vikes did not expect to be man-handled this way by
the hogs. Anyway, the Skins are for real and Gibbs is
a great coach.

As for those Chargers, they lok real *good* and I am
expecting them to upset the Dolphs.

Oilers *CHOKE* again, what else can one say and
Saints *CHOKE* to another playoff Choker, the Eagles.

S.H
Forever twins & Vikes 
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Kickoff rules
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 19:56:46 GMT

In article <57448@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> roberto@oas.olivetti.com (Roberto Ricca) writes:
>Did I have a hallucination or did I see Morten Andersen (NO) kick
>off in both halves during Saturday NO@Jets game.
>
>Is this possible? What are the rules about starting-half kickoffs?

Yes, it is quite possible.  Each team gets one half in which they get to
*choose* whether to receive the kickoff or select a goal to defend, so it
is perfectly possible (though not likely) that one team will, when it is
their half to choose, select to receive, and the other team will, in the
other half, choose to select a goal to defend (leaving the option to receive
to the first team).  The only purpose of the coin toss is to determine which
team will have their choice in the first half and which in the second... the
team that wins the toss has the option of using their choice in the first 
half or deferring it to the second half.

Now that should be perfectly clear, right? :-)
 
Jim
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From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Anyone would trade for Aikman --- NOT!  (was Re: Aikman a weakness?!?)
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:55:51 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) subjects himself to endless ridicule:
>Ask any General Manager for any team in the league (yes, Buffalo, Miami,
>Denver, San Francisco, Houston, too) if they would trade their starting
>quarterback for Aikman, and they wouldn't even have to think about the
>answer; absolutely yes.

You are obviously on drugs.

First of all, let me attack your phrasing in a kind and gentle way before
everyone else jumps all over it.  Not many teams just blindly trade away
their starting quarterback, even if he's only mediocre.  The time delay
involved in learning a system is important.  However, I'm going to assume
that you really didn't mean this, and what you meant to say is that Aikman
is better than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, John Elway, Steve Young, and Warren
Moon.

What you meant to say is that Aikman is better than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino,
John Elway, Steve Young, and Warren Moon.

What you meant to say is that Aikman is better than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino,
John Elway, Steve Young, and Warren Moon.

And no one would have to think about the answer.  Absolutely yes.

I give up.

- Stephen
From: alaw@ap1seq.us.oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:45:17 GMT
Reply-To: alaw@oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California.
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dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
|>
|> Those stupid Monday Night FB announcers were driving me nuts with the
|> damn praise of Joe Montana and the 49ers. I mean a few nice words would
|> suffice. You would have thought Jesus was on the field by the way those
|> idiots were acting. I mean they literally spent 3 hours praising them.
|> Does anyone feel the same? A little praise is nice but such blatant
|> favoritism is stupid.

The game was a meaningless game.  I think ABC is very thankful to the 49ers
in playing Montana for a half.  Unless you are a Lions fan, Joe was probably
the only reason anyone would watch the game past the second quarter.

Those Monday Night FB announcers were stupid but they have been that way
since I started watching MNF.

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