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Subject: OSU: bad news and worse.  But still,they won....
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:10:08 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	Ahhh, Buckeye fans.  Just when you thought a win couldn't be bad news,
even after the Louisville game.

	Saturday's win against BG was another ugly one.  Another one where a
much better OSU team should have romped and stomped their way into the endzone
several times.
	I hope it's been because they're looking forward to Syracuse.  At least
then we could expect a higher level of play.

	Now for the really bad news.

	Injured and questionable for Syracuse:

	Kirk Herbstreit
	Jamie Galloway
	Robert Smith

	Ouch!  Kirk hurt his ankle early in the first quarter, and Galloway
went out in the second.  Robert is hurt from game one.  There is at least a
small excuse for OSU's relatively low score.  Deprived of their #1 QB at full
strenght, they were largely dependent on time-consuming running series. 

	However, the tendency of the offense to cough up the ball hurt them. 
Fortunately, BGSU coughed it up far more often.

	And speaking of bad officiating, did anyone else get the impression
that the refs were watching a different game?  Failing to prevent the sideline
brawl by throwing some flags for late and beyond the sideline hits by BGSU
is inexcusable.
	And that mystery penalty!  No flag.  No warning.  Just all of a sudden
OSU's offense is banished from the field after OSU does a great runback of a
BGSU punt.  BGSU is given the ball back after a 15 yard "unsportsmanlike
conduct" penalty.
	Huh?  No flags, no whistles.  Yet, supposedly, this infraction occurred
*before* the punt.

	Anyway, OSU's defense was there when it counted, but still does not
play consistently.  They still are not pressuring the QB enough and pass
defense 10-20 yards from the line of scrimmage *SUCKS*.

	As shown again today, OSU has enough talented RBs and TBs and FBs to
stock several division 1-A teams.  No problems there.

	For all those with Hoying-hoopla last year, we've seen that Kirk is the
better QB.  Much more so today.  Playing hurt, Kirk did better than the jittery
Hoying.  Let's hope it was only the first-game butterflies.  Kirk's numbers
will suck from today, but he was playing hurt and a lot of his passes were off
his bad foot, and necessary to avoid further injury via hard hits.

	Kudos to BGSU, though.  They *are* better than many people thought. 
And Miami (OH) tying WV last week and Central Mich. beating MSU *again* should
demonstrate that the MAC is not the second-tier conference that most thought.

	Next week?  I'm hoping OSU stays within two touchdowns. :(

	OSU, the worst-regarded 2-0 team in the US.

Brett                                                      
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Subject: Re: QB situation at PSU?
From: jeff appleman <MBAJSA@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:50:52 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Sep9.124547.13514@relay.nswc.navy.mil>,
gsprow@lordvader.nswc.navy.mil (Gregg Sprow) says:
>
>  Whats the deal with the QB situation at Penn State?  They squeaked out the
>game versus
>powerhouse Cincinnati.  Is Wally Richardson going to start next week or will
>Sacca come back?
>What was his injury anyhow?  Or is Nardilillo or Kerry Collins ready to play?

 According to today's Philadelphia Inquirer, Richardson is the likely starter
for the Temple game. Sacca took a really good hit and bruised his shoulder and
on monday was having trouble throwing. The article also said that Collins may
not be available as soon as originally thought. There was little mention of
Nardolillo, but it left the impression that if needed, he could be used.

  That's all I know as of today.

 - Jeff PSU '84
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From: gerke@cetus5a.cs.utk.edu (Mark Gerke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: help wanted - football for the sport illiterate
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:59:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gerke@cetus5a.cs.utk.edu (Mark Gerke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cetus5a.cs.utk.edu

My SO is slowly learning football, and would like to know more.
A while back someone posted a outline of positions(offense and defence) I
read it myself, but forgot to print it for her.  Could someone repost this,
or any related article.  She has never played sports, so keep all terms
as simple as possible.  I am sure football fans every where will appreciate thi

Mark
gerke@cs.utk.edu


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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ACC Predictions 9/5/92
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:19:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Murasami Labs

In article <009604FF.680F4080@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU>, mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
(MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) wrote:

> >>Duke at Florida State 
> >>---------------------
> >>The Seminoles begin conference play with what should be an easy game.
> >>Duke is very thin especially after Senior QB Dave Brown unexpectedly
> >>decided to turn pro after last season. Charlie Ward will start at QB for
> >>the Seminoles. 
> >>Florida State 41 Duke 14
> >>
> FSU 48 Duke 21

> Everyone keeps saying that FSU did not dominate this game. Winning
> by 27 seems like domination to me. Any comments from those who attended?

5 turnovers (4 INT's, 1 fumble) and 16+ penalties. Not something you
want the kids to see. Imagine if they do that against somebody with
some offensive and defensive punch...say, Clemson...or Miami. That
game in the Orange Bowl could go down as Ugly Game of the Month, if
they keep it up.

James
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Njan - CU's most embarassing poster??? (was: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.193104.19125@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>
>Probably.  I only remember the '89 bowl loss.  But I'm sure Njan is the
>same poster who just said that Grbac's late interception was the worst
>play [call] ever, somehow forgetting McCartney's decision to punt to
>Ismail in the final minute of the '91 Orange Bowl with the national
>championship on the line.

Hmm... almost forgot that... but then, we are talking about McCartney here!
It doesn't count!

>C'mon, Njan, you can do better than that :-)

Talk about team spirit! :-)

>-- 
>Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com

Njan
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Score Trivia...
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:13:14 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep15.022458.29522@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
dew6c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) says:
>
>I remember someone telling me once that the most
>lopsided score of all times was back around 1910
>or so, when Georgia Tech beat Cumberland 222-0, and
>the game was apparently called halfway through the
>third quarter.
>
>Does this have a prayer of being true?
>
     Yup, it's true.  The coach was someone really famous, like Heisman or
something, and he was really bitter about a 22-0 baseball drubbing Cumberland
had awarded Georgia Tech the year before.  He offered to pay Cumberland to
come to Georgia Tech for a football game, and although they didn't *have* a
football team at the time, Cumberland accepted and sent over a group of
students that had largely never played before.  From what I've read about it,
Heisman (I *might* be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was him) gave a pretty
rip-roaring half-time speech about keeping the intensity up even though
Georgia Tech was already winning by about a bazillion points.  Some Cumberland
players reportedly tried to hide at times, but I have a strong suspicion that
this has grown more out of lore than reality.  I do know that they began to
punt on first downs though...
     I guess Cumberland learned its lesson about running up the score...

Brett
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Asians in the NFL
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:49:55 GMT
	<1992Sep11.082127.22697@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Sep11.082127.22697@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
}} 
}} sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
}} >}} >anybody know if Eugene Chung is the first Asian to play
}} >}} >in the NFL?
}} >What about John Lee (?) who kicked at Notre Dame (I think, boy
}} >this is fuzzy).  Didn't he play on one of the California teams
}} >for a while?
}} 
}} Interesting mixup, Steve.
}} 
}} According to the SI story about kickers (in last week's NFL preview issue),
}} John Lee was born in South Korea, played at UCLA, and kicked for the
}} St. Louis Cardinals for one season.

Oh, sure, pick nits.  You'll probably even claim that UCLA isn't a pro
team.

What continent are the Samoan islands considered part of?  Australia?
Asia?  None?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
      It's a wise dog that scratches its own fleas. (William Strunk, Jr.)

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
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From: tktg6901@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Subject: Re: BYU-SDSU
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:33:27 GMT


The game was another heartbreaker for BYU following the usual pattern:  fall
behind, make an amazing comeback, and blow the final miraculous chance to win.

Even though I'm a BYU fan, I must admit that SDSU was the better team on
Thursday.  Marshall Faulk is amazing.  He is the reason SDSU won.  I don't
think the speed of the SDSU wide receivers was that much of a factor.  While
the receivers were good (as shown by the miraculous touchdown grab Scott had),
Lowery was not impressive.  I was surprised that only one of his many "Hail
Mary" floaters was intercepted.

While BYU's defense was ineffective for most of the game, that doesn't concern
me.  It's almost expected now;  the last time BYU had a good defense, it went
undefeated.  The BYU strategy is to have a good offense.  Thursday, BYU showed
that it has a lot of improvement to make.  Walsh has a good arm (in my opinion,
stronger and more accurate than Detmer's), but he needs to learn how to
scramble better and how to throw away the ball.  Aside from Drage and Rex,
there were no receivers who did their job.  Either there is a lack of good
receivers, or Walsh is having problems finding open receivers or reading the
defense.  The emergence of the BYU running game is a pleasant surprise.  It
might not have seemed impressive to others, but BYU fans must be jumping for
joy, considering what we saw in the past.
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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: t.u. is leaving the SWC? Info anyone?
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:10:47 GMT

Just heard that t.u is leaving the SWC for the Big 10. Anyone hear this one?
 
From: cday@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Day)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:36:00 GMT
Subject: Re: UCLA 92
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college



UCLA doesn't play the Huskies this season... ???

Didn't that happen last season too ???

How can this be ???

Chris Day
HP Santa Rosa, CA

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From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Re: UMich-ND bickering (was Re: ND's DuBose Situation)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:32:58 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1685EAFDC.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <bMr-5f-@engin.umich.edu>
>hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>>Please, try to get the facts before making a fool of yourself.
>>The series restarted in 1985:
>>Michigan Won: 1985, 1986, 1991
>>Notre Dame Won: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990
>
>      ND  UM
>1978  14  28
>1979  12  10
>1980  29  27
>1981   7  25
>1982  23  17
>1985  see your own truncated record book . . . .
>
>The word restarted is a little weak here, since before 1978,
>the previous game was in WWII.  Thanks for your condescension.
>It is the Ann Arbor way.

I was merely responding to the person who said that Notre Dame
has won 6 of the last 7.  By stating the winners of the last
7 games, I was showing him he was incorrect.  Simple.

But what does "It is the Ann Arbor way" mean?  Is it suppose
to be a flame?  If it is, I don't get it. Are you making fun
of everyone in Ann Arbor?  Just curious.

John Hajel

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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: ND vs UM
Keywords: Holtz
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:35:01 GMT

	The only problem that I have with the play calling at the
end of the ND-UM game was that the Irish weren't ready to run their
secoond down play right after the 1st down play. Was that because they
were playing for a tie or because they don't know how to run a 
2-minute offense? I think that it was more the latter because if you
look at the end of the 1st half a simliar thing happened. After the UM
touchdown, ND started with the ball around the 25 yard line (better field
position than at the end) and made very little effort to get the ball
down the field for a field goal attempt. Why has no  one mentioned that
in all the conversation of the game. 3 points there would have meant the
same as 3 points at the end.
	Let's face it, whether ND was going for a win or a tie they
couldn't afford to give Michigan the ball back by punting from the 15
yard line. If you remember, ND punted I think 3 times and two of those
snaps skipped to Hentreich. Something about the long snapper being injured.
The last thing that they wanted to do was to have a lousy snap, a lousy
punt, and give Michigan a chance to win at the end.
	Michigan was in a different position at the start of their 
last drive. They started on the twenty and had 6 minute to go. So even
if they punted and ND scored they might get the ball back again. And 
correct me if I am wrong but there first 3 plays in the drive were runs
and before the interception I think that there was only one pass. So I 
really don't think that they were pulling out the stops to move up the
field. This is pure conjecture, but do people really think that if the 
situation was reversed, Moeller would have started throwing the ball from
his own 12 yard line?
	Lost in all the talk is the fact that in situations like this you
go with your strengths. If you are Miami, you throw the ball. If you are
BYU, you throw the ball. But if you are ND you run the ball to get some
room and then you think about passing to get it up field. The big mistake
that ND made was 1) not being ready for the 2nd down play, and 2) losing
the first down to a penalty.
	As an aside, when ND tied MSU in '66 it wasn't like ND sat on the
ball the whole 4th quarter. In fact they scored in the 4th to tie it up.
They sat on the ball at the end mainly because they had lost the whole 
starting backfield and it was the prudent thing to do.
	Did Lou play for the tie? Did he tell the truth by saying he 
looking at defensive coverages? There is one person who knows and to me
it doesn't really change the outcome.
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: UW HUSKIES WEEK-2 
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:50:58 GMT

In article <7qs-J2=@engin.umich.edu> chyang@waldorf.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>I heard the score between the HUSKIES and the Badgers was 27-10.
>What is wrong with the HUSKIES?!  Could someone fill me in or 
>give me a synoposis of the game???  
>
>I mean this really blows my mind, did Don James put in the Huskies
>second team or something?  
>
>Do they look like that they are going to get their acts together 
>by next week???  
>
>Someone please respond.
>
    Well, I'll respond. It's just another case of the Badgers not gettting
    the respect they deserve. Although young, this team has some serious
    developing talent. The defense was 24th in the country last year and
    returns it's entire front seven. Only Troy Vincent and one other DB
    graduated. The offense is still pretty crappy, but they have some tough
    RBs. 

    Washington probably didn't play that great, but UW had something to do
    with that. The Huskies averaged less than 4 yards a carry, even with a
    60-yard run by Hobert on a busted play. Hobert and Brunell did pretty
    much pass at will on the Badgers. Still, not a bad game for Bucky's boys.

    UW is a team on the rise. No longer one of the whipping boys of the Big
    10. Don't be surprised if you see another UW-UW matchup in 2 or 3 years
    on New Years day.

    just looking for a little respect,

    --salty
From: jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Jeff Mejia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Heisman (Was Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU)
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:00:30 GMT

In article <jjonsson.154@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
> Marshall Faulk won the Heisman Thursday night. 299 yds on the ground!? 
> My Gawd! And that's a typical game!
> 
> 
> Jeff Jonsson
> Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
> ==============================================================================
> --"It's the sound of the secret--  jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
> -- machinery at the center of  --  jjonsson@utahlib.bitnet
> -- the world." -Cliff Steele   --  "You talkin' to me?"

Now, now.  I agree that Faulk has to be considered the front-runner for the 
Heisman, but saying that he has just one the trophy when only 1 week plus 1 
game has been played in the season is plain ridiculus.  I mean, Shane Matthews 
hasn't even played yet {:-) {:-)!  Seriously, I think Faulk needs to keep
generating these kinds of numbers, because he hasn't really gone up against a 
strong defense, and he won't see strong D in the WAC.  I agree with whoever said
that he will need a good game against UCLA in order to finish his claim to the 
trophy.  In the meantime, everyone else is just playing catch-up and must hope 
he stumbles somewhere.
-- 
	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
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From: dokken@milton.u.washington.edu (Frederick Lockyear)
Subject: What happened to the Huskies?
Reply-To: dokken@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:59:05 GMT

First, I have a question.
Does anybody know how many Washington players made the NFL this year?

Here's what I know:
Emtman - Indy
Hall - SF
Rodgers - Seattle
Fraley - Cut by Seattle
Rongen?(is that right)- Cut by Seattle

Can someone fill in the blanks?
Orlando McKay ???
Mario Bailey ???
Siupeli Malamala ???
Ed Cunningham ???
Donald Jones ???
Aaron Pierce ???
Did I leave anyone out?

Comments on Huskies vs. ASU:
The run defense was awful, and they ran better outside than up the middle. 
However, I'm not too concerned about the defense overall.  The secondary is 
still very strong as is the linebacking corps and Farr and Lustyk should be 
decent replacements for Emtman and Rodgers.

The offensive line didn't run or pass block well; Hobert had little time to 
throw the ball, but, again, I think that it will improve, too.

However, the receiving corps is a major concern.  I don't see it getting
much better.  Kralik and Mack do not have the speed nor the moves that
their predecessors did.  My only hope is that freshman Jason Shelley is as 
good as people say.  I think Coach James should try Napoleon Kaufman at
wide receiver as long as he's not first string TB.  Then opposing defenses
might have to double-cover our receivers or one of them.

We're deep at TB, FB, and QB, but this isn't even close to the team of the
last two years in other areas.  It'll be a struggle to make our 3rd straight
Rose Bowl, and we'll be lucky to finish top 10.  The only thing in our 
favor is our easy schedule.  

After 1 week, I'm ready to concede #1 to Miami, but last year the Huskies
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tktg6901@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:09:33 GMT

tqr@inel.gov (Tom Repetti) writes:

>In article <1992Sep11.174039.16004@ichips.intel.com>
>henstrom@pdx030.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Alex Henstrom) writes:
>> ....
>>In sumise the article stated that BYU was the most hated team because:
>> ...
>>        They are Mormons and there is a belief that all Mormons are racially
>>            intolerant. This due to the fact that afro-americans could not
>>            hold the priesthood in the Church until the late 70's.
>>
>> .... Most Mormons are not bigots despite belief otherwise. The Mormon church 
>> teaches against racial intolerance.
>>

>I live in a Mormon-dominated area of Idaho and have read a lot about the LDS
>church. Just a quickie to set the record straight here.
You failed.

>It's true that the Mormon church teaches against racial intolerance, but that's
>not the whole story. The Book of Mormon says that Way Back When, there was a
>war in Heaven and those who sided with the Devil's revolt against God had their
>skins turned a dark color as part of their punishment/shame. This is what the
>LDS church teaches about the origin of dark-skinned people. I look at the black
>players on BYU's team and wonder whether they know this. 
This is not a flame, but an attempt by an actual Mormon to say what the actual
Mormon position is on this point.  There are a small minority of Mormons who
may believe what you just wrote, but it is in no way Church doctrine.  Most
Mormons I know would discount it as blatant speculation.  As far as what you
said about the Book of Mormon, you are simply wrong.  The entire text is
available on the net.  If you don't believe me, you should read it yourself.

I realize that this entire tangent has nothing to do with football, but such
misinformation did not deserve to remain unrebutted.
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