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From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Will "Prime Time" be playing this Sunday?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:32:36 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct1.142004.229334@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER) writes:
> Is the Neon one going to play this Sunday against the Packers?  I know that
> the baseball playoffs are starting on Tuesday in Atlanta, would the Braves
> insists that Deion is well rested for it?
> 
> Just wondering,
> 
> Howard
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It was my understanding that the contract he signed said he would play
all football games except those that conflicted with baseball playoffs.
Since the games aren't on the same day, I would guess he'd play sunday.

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs Seahawks observations
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 30 SEP 92 14:26:13    

In article <1992Sep29.205246.20762@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes...

>In article <2487@ceylon.gte.com> chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes:
>>For the 20th time in his NFL career, Dan Marino brought the Dolphins
>>back from behind in the fourth quarter to win the game 19-17 in the
> 
>This is an interesting statistic. Would any other fans care to state how
>often their quarterback has brought their team back in the fourth qtr?
>Please include quarterbacks that are the starter, but are out because of injury
>such as Kosar.

In 1989 alone, 6 times the Packers came from behind in the 2nd half 
with Majkowski at QB.

The obvious question: If your QB is so good why do you have to come 
from behind all the time?

JGH
From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:39:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct1.193916.26106
Distribution: usa
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717

In article <1992Sep30.144739.7512@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>Here is another one for you. The Cowboys may be able to win coin-flipping,
>but not NFC championship games on the road. Remember Jan. 1983 when Dexter
>knocked Danny Boy out of the game? Remember the Catch?
>
>>Actually, on the eleventh flip there is still a 50/50 chance of the coin
>>coming up heads or tails.  It does not matter what has happened in the past.
>Actually it does. The odds were against the Cowboys. Check it out.
>
>NFC championship game since 1980: the road teams (underdogs) were 2/12.
>
>In the playoffs since 1980, after the underdogs beating the favorites in
>the regular season, or winning at the favorites' home fields in case of 
>divisional rivals, the underdogs were 3-11 in the playoffs (i.e. win
>again at the favorites' home field). 
>
>Revenge was a BIG factor in the playoffs, boy!!
>
>In other words, had the Boys played the Skins at RFK for the NFC 
>championship, they should have kissed it goodbye.
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com

I really think that arguments like this are pretty pointless.  Not to flame
Edward, but the reasoning behind this argument is pretty useless.  If you 
think about it, who would tell the other 2 teams..."Oh, well, the underdog
has never one...and you are exactly like all of the other teams."  The fact
remains that the Cowboys and the Skin match up pretty well, and the two 
games last year show that fact.  Just because the Skins were at home in the
playofffs doesn't mean anything.  If you will remember the season last year,
the Cowboys beat the Skins, at home at RFK, and Emmit Smith had over 
100 yds rushing, the only back to do that in 5 consecutive games against
the Skins in quite some time.  I think that this could have been anyone's game,
but how can you really say, when the game was never played.  There are a lot
of IFs that need to be answered, and unfortunately, they can not.  

What if Ricky Irvins would have had a hundred yard game?
What if Michael Irvin would have continued to stick it to Darrell Green?
What if Aikman had been healthy?
What if the Cowboys would have won the game against the Lions?

Who knows, but the game was never played, so who can really say?

Not me, not you, not anyone, unless the situation arises again, and
even then, it wouldn't be under the same circumstances, conditions, etc...

Sean


-- 
  =========================================================================
     Sean Reid                  ||   "F...You're a gimp." 
     Dept. of Computer Science  ||                 - Wayne Campbell 
     Montana State University   ||  **** GO COWBOYS!!!!!!! ****
From: v079l2xj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK B KRUZYNSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo??  Philly??  Nope!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep28.152540.3906@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes...
>In article <Bv9rJ9.CDE@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079l2xj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK B KRUZYNSKI) writes...
> 
>>Why dont you get a clue.  Oh wow, saying that Kenneth Davis isn't in a league
>>with Smith and Sanders (and of course you NFC is God People forget Thomas), but
>>that is only 3 teams out of the whole league.  Big deal, so he could start for
>>25 other teams.
> 
>Oh, come on now.  He was already cut by the Packers - a mistake no 
>doubt but he's not *that* good.  4th best in the NFL?  Be serious.
>And yes, I have seen him play.  So has everyone else - the Bills are 
>on national TV lots.
> 
>JGH

Gee, where does it say 4th best in the NFL?  I just said that Davis could, and
probably should start for a number of NFL teams.  The guy gets a couple of 100
yard games per year, and he runs mostly during the last 10 minutes of a game. 
He has an average of over 4 yards per carry, better than half the RBs in the
league!

Mark K.
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Intentional Grounding
Organization: Clark University
Date: 4 OCT 92 20:45:24 GMT

Has this rule been altered lately?

I saw it called against Marino and Kelly today, when neither seemed
to be under pressure. Both were throwing into the end zone.
From: jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph E. Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: pretenders
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:54:36 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>Once again, the Bills show how they can beat up on weak teams,
>only to lose when it really counts. The pattern holds true: they
>win the first few games against weak teams, then lose a big game
>against a strong team. Now they'll 'get their act together' for
>a few wins against some more winless teams, and breeze into the playoffs.
>But I sincerely hope they don't make it too far this year,
How can they not?  They're in the AFC.  Are they going to lose to some
strong team that none of us know about?  They're going to beat up a
bunch of AFC teams and get a great record again.  

	joe
From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Predictions
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:54:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct1.145452.4218
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

I am very much interested in your comments and predictions, even those
generated by computer rankings. Please share with me.
email to pc0837@sarah.albany.edu
Keep this address for future mailings.
                                       -Paul
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tampa Bay Question
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:47:33 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


What was Tampa Bay's initial losing streak when they came into the league,
and what was the first team that they managed to beat?

Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
	"Love wears a white Stetson"--Keith Richards
From: jwest@wisc (Jeff West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Franchise Player???
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:51:47 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
: In <Bv3HxM.B6w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
: Not to downplay any of these fine players but the choice of Marino just
: underlines the fact that you can't win by offense alone.  IOW, there
: *is* no such thing as a "franchise" player.  You need at least two, e.g.
: Montana AND Lott or Cunningham AND White.  It was only a few years ago
: that the 'Fins were racking up big scores and *still* losing.  It could
: be argued that you'd have more success with a "franchise player" on D
: only, in fact.  Look at the Bear's superbowl team.  Singletary, almost
: alone.  (Don't try to convince me that their QB, whazzisname, had
: anything to do with it.)  Or look at the Eagles last year, with White on
: defense, and *no* O!  
: 
I think the idea here is to find out who people would take first if they had
to start their own team today.  Obviously no one [OR TWO] players can make a
great team alone.
You mention Montana and forget the likes of Craig, Rice etc.  And true Reggie
White would be a force on Any team but put him and Randall on the Patriots
right now and I doubt you'd have a Super Bowl contender.  And Singeltary almost
alone???  Uhh seem to be forgetting a few more All Pro's they had on that 85
defense.  i.e. three down linemen and the other two linebackers plus some guy
named Payton.

For final proof I remember a team that had both the offensive AND defensive
player of the year on the same team and in the same year and yet only won 1
game!  Sayer's and Butkus.

Jeff
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From: mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Subject: Re: Viking's comebacks?
Reply-To: mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.  Eagan, MN.
Distribution: na
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:35:52 CDT

In article <1992Oct6.054920.14367@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes:
>I seem to recall another miraculous comeback by the Vikings against the Eagles o
>n the Sunday after Thanksgiving in 1985.  My memory (which is surely wrong) has
>it that the Vikings scored 4 touchdowns in the last 10 minutes to win 28-23...or
> something like that.  But, they were saying that this 20 point comeback was the
> largest ever by the Vikes.  Could somebody please help me with the facts in thi
>s case.
>
>==============================================================================
>David Oliver                  SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!
>University of Rochester       SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!
>Department of Economics       SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!
>doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu    SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!
>==============================================================================
>           
You have it right.  They did have a game against the 49er's where they were behind
27-0 in the 3rd quarter and Tommy Kramer came off the bench in the beginning of his
career to throw 4 touchdown passes to win 28-27; the 23-0 deficit against the Eagles
is their largest 4th quarter comeback.
-- 
Regards,

Maynard Brandt
Cray Research, Inc.
mb@lotus.cray.com
From: perez@seismo.CSS.GOV (Ricardo L. Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Request game summary: Wash. v. Phoenix
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.130843.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> 
>    Would anyone be kind enough to tell me just what th' @#&%@$#!!! happened in
> the Redskins - Cardinals game?  I wasn't able to see it, and the final score
> absolutely mystified me.
> 
>    Thanks ahead of time.
> 
> Max

You don't really want to know. But, to make this story short,
the Skins had the game well in hand. THEN, in the fourth
quarter after leading 24-6, Ripien, under pressure, throws
two passes that were intercepted and brought back for TD's.
The other TD, who cares.  All Rip had to do is either eat it
or throw away. Hell, he could of evened illegally  downed the
ball and it wouldn't have hurt us as much.  It was pitiful.
Can you imagine, this is against the Cards! Wait 'til the
Eagles!

Rick P.
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Subject: Harbaugh Gets Ass Chewing
From: Joe Football
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:50:16 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

Any comments on this?  Will Harbaugh be starting QB next week?
From: chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Offensive Weapons
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:54:50 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <BvnJtM.13r@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>After watching a one sided offensive shootout between the Dolphins and bills
>i trully believe that the Dolphins now possess the most dangerous arsenal in
>the entire NFL. If you think otherwise please respond by listing a teams 
>"offensive weapons" like so:
>
>     stuff deleted

The Dolphins most offensive weapon was Kelley himself. :) or, better yet :o

Buffalo typically gets slaughtered once a year and this was it.  The    
Dolphins looked good, that's for sure......but the Bills are not down
for the count by any means!!!!

What is the record now .... 2 out of the past 12 for Miami??

We'll get'cha next time!!        
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Finally...Jackson's outta here!!!
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:17:38 GMT

In article <2474@ceylon.gte.com> chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes:

   I don't really know much about Keith Jackson, but I have to wonder WHY
   the Dolphins decided to pick up Jackson.  The Dolphins don't need him,
   they have more than enough talent at TE and in the receiving corps in
   general.

There was some talk a few weeks ago about Robert Clark starting for Miami
with one of the Marks being injured.  I think that is proof enough that they
don't have enough receiving depth.  I like Robert, but he's not a top notch
talent by any means.

More to the point, Jackson is generally (but certainly not universally)
regarded as the #2 TE, with he and Green a solid notch above the others.
Miami might not be weak at TE, but I don't understand why anybody, other than
perhaps the steelers, would pass up a chance to at least try and woo a
premier player like Jackson.

   And you can bet that Shula won't put up with Jackson's self-centered
   antics.  I'll bet they trade him before the '93 season. What a waste.

If they trade him, its not a waste, now is it?  They pay his salary for a
year, get his services for much of that year, and pick up at a *minimum* a #2
in exchange.  Sounds like a good investment to me.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (The Fierce...CROCO-STIMPY!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Wayne Fontes is an idiot
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

As if this wasn't completely obvious, I shall endeavour nonetheless to use
statistical data to prove this position:

	Barry Sanders' last three games:  60 rushes, 170 yards

The tight end business should be abandoned.  While Barry undoubtedly has some
great moves to fake defenders out of their jerseys, it is becoming increasingly
apparent that he was definitely more of a force to be reckoned with in the NFL
when the Lions had the Silver Stretch up and operational.  While the Lions are
still hitting the long ball, opposing defenses are able to key on Sanders 
(almost always the only man to rush the ball for the Lions) and take him out
of the game.

Now, if the Lions were 3-1, I would say, "Who cares?"  But they're 1-3.

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:54:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Oct5.184136.29551@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.210347.28947@cass.ma02.bull.com>,
>silverio@cass.ma02.bull.com (Brian Silverio) writes:
>
>>After watching Miami take Buffalo apart, the question is:
>>
>>Can anyone beat Miami?
>>
>>
>>--
>>____________________________________________________
>>Brian D. Silverio      b.silverio@bull.com
>>(508) 294-6774
>
>Yes, the 49ers on December 6th!
>
>                                          Tony
>                                       GO 49ERS!!!

Tony, Tony, Tony! Please, I am a Niner fan, but I would never
be so boastful as to predict/guarantee the Niners will 
win against ANYONE! The NFL is too fickle and as the Bills can 
attest to, anyone can win/lose on a given Sunday. Marino is
too dangerous a QB, taking nothing away from Young, and when he
is on, the opposing QB/team better be equally "ON". On these 
type of games, the last team to have the ball, usually wins.
How soon we forget the Bills game?
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Crowd Noise Rule
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:01:16 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.36.717853060@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!) writes:
>In article <69368@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>>From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
>>Subject: Crowd Noise Rule
>>Date: 29 Sep 92 19:27:52 GMT
>
>
>Can someone give a brief description of the ruling on crowd noise...  When 
>was the last time it was used? and on which team?  Is it a penalty? The 
>domes are supposed to be the loudest because of the acoustics, correct?  
>
>
>Adriene L. Nazaretian        
>Yale University              
>ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
>ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  

During the Raiders-Chiefs MNF, the raiders complained about the crowd
noise and the referee announced that if there was further noise, the home
team would be charged a time-out. I wonder if the noise results in yards
if a team has no timeouts. 


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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:17:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.175718.21432@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon
Storga) writes:
><BuyK68.DtA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) :
>>ogre@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Ryan M Ogrady) writes:
>>>Seeing as it is highly probable that there could be a Dallas/Buffalo
>>>superbowl this year , I'd have to say that the Cowboys would romp
>>>over the aforementioned inferior AFC team.  Of course, any NFC
>>>superbowl team is destined to win anyway, but what the heck . . 
>>>
>>
>>Dallas is not the best team even in the NFC East- look at Phillie!
>
>They're a good team.  About on par with Dallas.  They are not clearly the
>better team by any stretch.  We'll have to wait another week to see how
>much better one of them is.
>
>>If the NFC thinks it has the Super Bowl won "just because", they'll
>>lose it due to overconfidence.  Dallas couldn't beat Detroit last year
>>at the Silverdome, and they'll have trouble running with the Bills.
>
>You are comparing Detroit to the Bills?  If you want to compare something,
>compare the Bill's performance against Washington with Dallas's performance
>against Washington last year and this year.  How do they match up then?
>
	Give me a break, the Skins played terrible in the opener, while at the Super
Bowl they played the game of their lives.  (Oh, and the Lions whipped the
Cowboys in the Playoffs, and the Redskins whipped them, so its safe to say the
cowgirls would have gotten squished in the NFC champiomship)
	 The Bills were just outcoached in the big game, and this year they've made
signifigant changes to the Offense and Defense (Bruce Smith and Henry Jones),
so they are now a much better team then last year.
	Overall, as a Bills fan I'm sick of hearing NFC people act like any of their
teams could beat the Bills.  Over the last 2 1/2 seasons the Bills are 8-2
against the NFC in reg. season games, and those two losses were on the last
week of the season when the Bills sat most of their starters.  You Dallas fans
win 3 games, and you think your hot S__t.  Lets see how you do over a full
season, and see if you can also win a playoff game or two  (Same goes for the 
Eagle fans).  THEN you can try comparing your team to the Bills. For now, quit
wasteing your breath.

Bill Perry
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bermanisms and "Colonel" Muster
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:22:55 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1888@shaman.wv.tek.com> danb@pogo.wv.tek.com writes:
>OK guys, help me out.  I have never understood the Bermanism:
>
> Brad "Colonel" Muster "who did it in the Laboratory with a lead pipe"
>

More recently it has been

Brad "Colonel" Muster "in the endzone with the football" on TD
runs/passes

However, this is a reference to the game Clue, where players are
trying to determine which character in the game (like the
aforementioned Col. Muster) murdered the murderee and in which room of
the house (the conservatory, the library, the kitchen...) with which
deadly instrument (the knife, the lead pipe, the revolver...)

hope that helps...

*ice*
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Okoye, Bills...
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:33:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Sep29.185713.22040@oz.plymouth.edu> d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White) writes:
>
>Christian Okoye is unstoppable, Ronny Lott doesn't know where he is
>still.  The bills will defeat the Dolphins, the Miami gold fish are no
>match for the overpowering Offense and DEFENSE, yes, a much improved
>defense.  A tight end is not going to be enough to stop a defense with
>5 guys who could go to the probowl this year.  Just random thoughts.
>						DW

I am a NINER fan! Having made that clear, I would never bet against Marino! I must also
state that I dislike the Bills and the Dolpins. If the truth be known, I dislike the
Bills more than the Dolphins.  I am always amazed on the "woofers" and their pompous
predictions. Dude, that is all it is! A prediction. In reality, the game COULD (same as
saying maybe) turn out to be another Marino, come from back behind, 6 seconds left on the
game clock, unconscious winning TD pass. I would never under estimate a Marino.

Your thoughts are exactly that, random and with out much thought for the turn of events that
can turn a game around, i.e., fumbles, safeties, *blown calls* or a "lucky" catch. I will not
argue that the Bill might be beat the Dolphins, but I would not bet my salary on it. 
Would you bet your salary on it? NOT!
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru