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From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ST on TV
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:26:35 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Dec14.183859.18726@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
>Did I see a shot of an ST in the Old English Cider (or similar) advert on
>Central the other day?

Yes, you certainly did! Although like all good ads it no cables plugged into
it, just a machine sitting on a desk. Kellogs Start cereal (which I eat all
the time BTW) had an ST on the back of the box a few times showing busy
business people who need a good "start" in the morning. Same story, no cables
and they even pretended the mouse was plugged into the back of the machine.
What a good idea!

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From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon & external floppy (was: Comparisons)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:17:39 +0100
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de

In <1992Dec15.013422.8563@bnr.ca> bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier) writes:

>>  WHAT??? NO EXTERNAL FLOPPY???? 

>It sure does support an external floppy, the floptical SCSI drive
>can read 720K, 1.4meg, and 21meg disks. The 720K, and 1.4meg disks
>can be interchanged with any PC 720k or 1.4meg disk. According to
>Howard at ICD it works on the F030.

I guess by "the Falcon does not support external floppies" it was
meant  that  you  can't plug in any external disk drives like you
can with an ST or TT. It seems safe to say  that  much.  What  is
interesting  to  me in this context is, will it be possible to do
some soldering to add a port  for  an  external  non-SCSI  floppy
drive  to  the  falcon,  and  the OS will be able to deal with it
without modification? Or have they taken out the dispatchers  and
routines  for  dealing with two physical floppy drives, reasoning
there won't be two floppies on the Falcon anyway?

Greetinx and thanx in advance for enlightening me,

Jan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Christmas Wish List (<$100 US)
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:02:43 GMT

In article 67J@news.cso.uiuc.edu, wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.170947.8229@newshost.lanl.gov>  
>hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

>>Cheapest = DRAMs.
>>Most Convenient = SIMMs.
>
>I'd have to disagree with John here.  In my experience, SIMMs have become  
>cheaper than DRAMs (likely due to their increased popularity).  In any  
>case, though the relative price difference (i.e. delta(P)/P) is small  
>enough that you should make the choice based on the convenience and cost  
>of the upgrade board (or soldering project if you don't use a board).

Bingo.  If you can find an upgrade board that uses SIMMs for close to the
same price as a board that uses DRAMs, then definitely go for the SIMMs!
I was under the impression that SIMM boards were still a little pricey but
maybe that has changed.  If so, great.
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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon: Nothing yet...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 00:51:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Peter Missel writes:

>For Germany, they didn't. Yesterday, that is Tue, 15 Dec 1992, the first
>shipping arrived at several Atari dealers.

You've actually seen Falcons for sale to the general public..?  Not just
units for developers..?

Has anyone actually purchased one of these..?

BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 15 DEC 92 16:11:23    


In article <BzB7yM.9u0@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, ens@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes...
>Software piracy is decidedly a grey area. Tom is far too poor
>to buy 6 different $300 word processors for his computer, and
>never would. But he can easily pirate 6 packages so he does. 
>The software companies whose product Tom would never have bought
>are not out anything, and actually get some exposure if Tom
>happens to show their program to a more scrupulous potential
>buyer.
> 
>Now, Tom tries all the various word processors but finally settles
>into using one package most of the time. Eventually he gets frustrated
>at having to pester his buddies to get the latest version or to 
>look in the manual, so he buys one (1) word processing package that
>he knows he likes. He keeps copies of the other programs around
>because he hates deleting things, but almost never (if ever) fires
>them up again.

Ah, the so-called "victimless crime"...sounds good but it's far more common
that "Tom" finally just xeroxes the damn manual and that's that.  I know lots
of folks who take home a copy of some package they use at work for when they
are working at home.  This seems OK to me, I have problems with the concept of
one copy per machine.  But it ends up with that copy getting passed along when
the system is sold to a buddy, etc.  

I also know many "poor students" who are using pirated software.  Yes, they
couldn't buy it anyway, but the point is they are ripping off the software
vendor. It may not seem like a big deal when that vendor is, say, Microsoft,
but when it's some poor shmuck operating out of his basement it's a big deal.  

It's funny how people would balk at shoplifting but think nothing about
pirating software.  I think it's mostly because noone expects they will ever be
punished for it.

> 
>I have seen this scenario play out many times. It's illegal, yes.
>But as bad as stealing 6 TVs? Get serious.

Lots of people have posed this question many times in many ways, you can see it
in the Bible where various religious leaders try to trick Jesus into saying
something contradictory.  As writer Ayn Rand liked to look at it, there is only
black and white, no grey.  Once you make a moral compromise, you have shifted
totally over the line.  

I really don't care if people want to pirate software, but to use psychobabble
to try to justify it morally is too much for me.    


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From: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Lha Files
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:48:06 GMT
	<1fk740INN19s@golem.wcc.govt.nz>,<1992Dec3.111711.18916@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>,
	<1fltpcINN6on@golem.wcc.govt.nz>,<1fm6npINN8hs@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
	<1fnklpINNe1u@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 4 Dec 92 12:58:33 GMT, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz said:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
> Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

> In article <1fm6npINN8hs@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> I would rathere believe the Author than that of 15 year old boy...
That's a rather abrasive comment, isn't it? Have you actually tested the 
examples he gave? I tried a fews accs (just out of curiosity, as I don't 
normally have any installed) and 2 out of 3 worked.

>>Don't ALWAYS listen to what everyone tells you.  EXPERIMENT!!  
> Its a pity you don't have a Hard Drive, then you would not make these
> supid statements..

But then anyone with a hard disk *and* a grain of common sense would have some
sort of startup selection program on his hard disk anyway....

Kev
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Botched Board
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:49:30 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Dec18.173240.10103@westminster.ac.uk> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:
>There is alot of rumers flying around about the new Falcon having a botched
>board.  I have also heard that Atari are holding back the Falcon longer now
>since they saw what the A1200 could do graphically, and that they won't be
>releasing it until they have caught up with the A1200's graphics capabilities.
>Can anyone throw some light onto this?

Doubt it.

Wasn't there another rumor similar to this a month ago?




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From: d8klojo@dtek.chalmers.se (Johan Klockars)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: HiSoft GOLD support for Lattice C
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:49:37 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology


I'm soon going to register my Lattice C 5.52 and I'd like to hear from anyone
who has got HiSoft's GOLD support.
This seems to be a good year to have free updates, with the Falcon and MultiTOS
arriving. ;-)

Please, reply by e-mail as I don't think this is of general use to the net.

By the way, MGIF 4.1 will soon be uploaded to atari.archive. Some of the new
functions are not as polished as they should be but it's got JPEG support and
a quick ordered dither preview.
The JPEG support was added by Frank Moehle.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Need Miracle Piano-type software
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:17:47 GMT

My wife and I are planning to get a midi-compatible keyboard (budget:
<$300, 
probably a Casio or a Yamaha) for the family (includes 2 kids 5 and 6.5).
First, we would like to find a MIDI software for the ST (1040STf) that
teaches the piano like the Miracle Piano system.  Any recommendations would
be appreciated.

Regards,

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: JRI simm upgrade questions
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:43:04 GMT
Reply-To: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Mathew Lodge)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

In article <1992Dec12.223657.26231@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch) writes:
>randyh@sad.hp.com (Randy Hosler) writes:
>
>>[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.atari.st.tech ]
>>[ Author was Randy Hosler ]
>>[ Posted on Tue, 8 Dec 1992 17:09:57 GMT ]
>
>>Hello all,
>
>>I recently became the owner of a 520ST upgraded to 2.5 megs and TOS 1.4.
>>Last night I opened up the box to do the Overscan mod and discovered that
>>my 520ST had the JRI simm memory upgrade.  I have no documentation on it
>>and so am hoping that someone out there can answer my questions.
>
>>I want to add another 2 megs of simms.  How do I disable the 1/2 meg that's
>>on the motherboard?  I saw one jumper on the board that plugs into the
>>video shifter.  Do I need to remove it to add the extra ram?  

You definitely need to remove the mother board RAM. It's done by clipping
two resistors on the RAM select lines at the end nearest the MMU and wiring
them to +5V.

I can't give you the numbers of the resistors, as they differ from one
revision of the circuit board to the next. You can find them by tracing the
RAM bank 0 select lines back from the MMU. This means that you need

1) A pin-out of the MMU (see the Abacus ST Internals book)
2) The ability to wield a soldering iron
3) Confidence!

>>Please post or email any and all information you may have about this upgrade.
>
>>Thanks, Randy Hosler

Mat

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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Help getting a new modem
Date: 20 Dec 1992 05:01:16 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Distribution: na
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

If the modem has the same serial socket, and phone-plugs on the back, (
or side depending...) and it's HAYES compatible, Flash will handle it
quite happily!  (It should say on the box or in the manual or something
what the modems specifications are...)

If it is a 9600, you'll need to find the serial patch for use on your
ST, otherwise the modem will complain when you start trying to do anything
fancy!!  (This patch is available pretty much everywhere, I think
POOLFIX does the required job.)

It would be advisable to test, or get the modem on a if-it-doesn't-go-can-I
return-it basis!  That's probably the safest method.  Modems are pretty
much standard, if it works on one machine, it will generally work on all
the others!  (with one major exception being MS-Doze Internal Modems!)


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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Big name hype
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:57:48 GMT
	<71535@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec14.184047.3128@bnr.ca>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: renfro@crchh610.BNR.CA's message of 14 Dec 92 18:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.184047.3128@bnr.ca> renfro@crchh610.BNR.CA (Randy Hoekstra) writes:
| And they call the ST a game machine?  Personally, I don't play many
| games on my Mega and from what I see here, a lot of people are using
| there STs for serious computer work.  Granted there isn't much of
| an Atari market left in the States, but of that, what percentage are
| still playing (or purchasing) games on their STs?
|
I still play games, but it's only once in a blue moon that I buy one (there's
too much crap on the market and I have a lot of good games). Last time I
bought a game it was Smash TV about 3 months ago. I used to buy them every 5-6
weeks, but as I said, the market's gone bad.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?  (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:41:34 GMT
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls

In article <71916@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>*You* go tell Leonard Tramiel to sit down and shut up, then *You*
>come back and tell us all about it.

Bob, where did I write the words "shut up" in that posting, or any other
posting with reference to the people at Atari Corporation?

There is a difference between being impolite to a businessman and telling him
that a meeting is obviously going to be unproductive as you're walking out.
I have done that particular bit, though not with Atari Corporation ... and
thus I am qualified to say what I would do in similar situations.

There is a difference between being controlled by a businessman at a meeting
and controlling that meeting.  I prefer to set up an agenda and agree on the
people who will be present before I commit my time, energy, and money to
attending a meeting to demonstrate software (or hardware).  It makes good
business sense, and should be applicable whether the business is a medical
education software house or Atari Corporation (or MicroSoft).

If you're not partially in control of the particulars, you have no control over
the meeting.

One doesn't have to deal with Atari Corporation to know how one would react in
a given situation.  Your argument is without merit, and your attempted
redefinition of my position is rejected.

-- David Paschall-Zimbel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mackie@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: GIF/RAW/RCS/SPC ETC.
Date: 15 DEC 92 18:02:51 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

Yes it does have Targa support.  The Gif function is ***EXCELLENT***.

Where does one get Targa files?  What are they, specifically?

Brook
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: smiller@bnr.ca (Scott Miller)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Reply-To: smiller@bnr.ca (Scott Miller)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:41:15 GMT

In article <1ghsfvINNr7f@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE>, aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:
|>
|> Look, if you're gonna sell copies of software beyond the point of
|> breaking  even,  be  honest enough to admit you're too greedy for
|> profit to release it into the copylefted domain. Don't  use  some
|> bogus lofty, higher moral justification.
|> This is not directed personally at Mike Healy nor at anyone  else
|> on the net, excepting Bill Gates, if he's on the net :-)

Somehow, I don't think Bill Gates would have any problem admitting his 
'for-profit' motives.  But then, he's got several Gigabucks already, so 
maybe he'll get tired of making money.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris)
Subject: Re: Best ST/Falcon Word Processor
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:19:25 GMT

> In <722783441.562@minster.york.ac.uk> mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov25.071355.9951@ugle.unit.no> anderss@colargol (anderss) writes:
> >>  Could anybody tell me what ST/Falcon WP they think is best?
> 
> >That's Write, from Compo.
> 
> >>  I'm planning to buy one of these: Wordflair 2.1.1, Redacteur 3/4,
> >>  Calligrapher Professional. But I don't know which one.
> 
> >I haven't seen or used Redacteur or Wordflair. However, I have used
> >Calligrapher Professional, and stopped using it again. Although it has a lot
> >...
> Don't get Calligrapher unless you are prepared for massive hair loss, . . . 

Redacteur 4 is _very_ fast, at least on a TT8. If  you are interested in writing long texts,
eg books/articles/theses, it has everything. Nice macros, outliner, good dictionaries, very
complete word count facilities etc. 
It is not so good for printing - it is definitely not a semi-DTP prog. But it is plenty good
enough for professional letters and so on.
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Serial Connection
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:32:56 +1200

This was posted locally by someone without net access, 
 i'm forwarding it here for him.

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From: Mark_Andrews@equinox.gen.nz (Mark Andrews)
Newsgroups: equinox.atari
Subject: Serial connection.
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:02:43 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks

A complete stranger came up to me today and asked me how to access the
serial port on an Atari using GW Basic.  Not surprising I didn't know, but
I thought someone here might be able to help.

Aparently he wants to connect some sort of relay device to his RS-232 port,
he has a prgram written in GW Basic for use on an IBM.  It does something
like:
OPEN comms1

What is the equivilent device name for the Atari or will he have to be
crude and poke at addresses?

A small piece of code illustrating what he should do would be nice.

Thanks in advance

Cheers Mark...


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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:18:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith) says:

>In article <1givnuINNir@katmandu.solbourne.com> stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson) writes:
>> Is MiNT the defacto standard for multi-tasking on the st?
>
>It's not only the de facto standard for multitasking, it's also
>the de jure standard (i.e. the official one). Or perhaps more
>accurately I should say it's "going to be" the official standard,
>since MultiTOS when it is released will use the MiNT kernel to
>provide multitasking. (MultiTOS will also provide a much enhanced
>AES and desktop which will have extensions to support multitasking).

What about games?

Will we be looking at games so sophisticated that they will be running
three different parts of it at the same time?

Maybe split screen two different games so that one person can play
one side and another person can play another side?

I guess I'm asking for too much. :)

>

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From: evilandi@vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Oakley)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:26:09 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Christmas Demos

   Are there any good festive demos available? I'm after something with
animation, music and, most importantly, a Christmas theme. Opinions and
reviews welcome- but I also want to know where I can get it from!

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