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From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Unix on Mac?  Possible?
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:36:51 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <C0B734.B45@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.014459.4274@cis.ohio-state.edu> fullerto@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton) writes:
|> >In article <C0B0Dz.4zr@acsu.buffalo.edu> blake@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Blake) writes:
|> >>I was wondering if anyone knows where to find a decent Unix operating system
|> >>for the Mac...would be nice if it doesn't take up TOO much space on a hard
|> >>drive, even though I'm sure any Unix OS does... ;-)
|> >
|> >	I am posting this because now I am uncertain. Is not A/UX merely
|> >a unix system for the Mac?
|> 
|> I wouldn't say it's "merely" a unix system for the Mac;  it's a damn
|> good one.  See the comp.unix.aux FAQ for more details;  in addition
|> to being posted to comp.unix.aux and news.answers it is available
|> by ftp from jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov.
|> 
|> To answer a couple of quick questions, yes, it needs a fast machine 
|> with FPU and lots of disk space;  so does any other "complete" unix
|> implementation.  Yes, gcc and other unix standards are available.
|> -- 
|> -- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
|> -- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949

Incidently, if anyone is interested, Queen Mary Westfield College
(London, England)  Computer Science Department uses Macs running A/UX
as the base operating system for teaching undergrads. They have a
network of hundreds of the little buggers. They all boot off a single
master to aid administration.

Slow as shit though.

Neil.
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Unix on Mac?  Possible?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:44:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.MERLYN.93Jan5124443
	<C0B734.B45@news.udel.edu>
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

>>>>> In article <C0B734.B45@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
[talking about A/UX here]
Bill> To answer a couple of quick questions, yes, it needs a fast machine 
Bill> with FPU and lots of disk space;  so does any other "complete" unix
Bill> implementation.  Yes, gcc and other unix standards are available.

That's funny.  My copy of MachTen (a *very* complete 4.3bsd Unix for
the Mac) doesn't require an FPU at all.  In fact, I'm told it runs on
68K machines, although I'm running it on my PB160 just fine.  15MB
disk footprint *with* manpages and gcc and include files.  Way cool.
It even compiled Perl 4.035 right out of the box.  And GNU Emacs also
comes up just fine (although I haven't tried that).

Write info@tenon.com for details (I think).

The only problem I have with it so far is that it bypasses the Autodoubler
hooks, so the files must all be non-doubled.  Sigh.  Time to upgrade from
80MB to 120MB. :-)

No, I'm just a satisifed customer.

Just another Powerbook Unix hacker,
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ariely@cs.unc.edu
Subject: Userland Frontier
Organization: Psychology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:35:11 GMT

 Hi
Is there anyone who is using Userland Frontier
Can you tell me how it is?
Dan

Please unswer me to e mail
ariely@cs.unc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: dsb@mbunix.mitre.org
Subject: Looking for battery PB discharger
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:21:39 GMT

Has anyone seen a battery discharger/recharger in the adds???  The powerbook
battery suffers from the NiCad "Memory" effect.  The powerbook only allows the
battery to discharge about 50%, then after one or two discarge/charge cycles
the battery "forgetts" it is supposed to be a three hour battery and becoms a 1
1/2 hour battery.  I have seen a device advertised in, I believe. MacWeek, that
both discharges to zero and recharges the battery, but, I don't remember
exactly when or where.
Thanks
Scott
Scott Blodgett			             The MITRE Corporation
dsb@mbunix.mitre.org 	       	     REACT Test and Integration
Burlington Road, M/S G220	     Bedford, MA 01730
(617) 271 - 8761     
"When I was your age I had to walk to the TV"
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: AD 2.0 and non-US MacOS'
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 15:37:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

David C. Roessli <roessli@sc2a.unige.ch> writes:
> As anyone got a patch kit for AutoDoubler 2.0 in order for it to run
> on non US operating systems ? I recently bought v2.0 from the US, but it
> refuses to run on my localised OS.

I have a rumoured fix (I haven't tried it, let me know if it works).

I quote:

"The YARG 0 resource contains a sequence of 2-byte numbers, each
 of which is the country code of a country in which AD refuses
 to run. Change the appropriate number and all is well."

The country codes are the ones you'll find in the pop-up menus if you use
ResEdit to edit the int1 and intl resources in the System file.

Further rumours suggest that the YARG 0 resource is only checked when AD is
installed and run for the first time, and is then deleted by the program.

If you try this, please let me know how you get on.

REMEMBER:  I haven't confirmed this.  You try it strictly at your own risk.

Personally, I went the StuffIt route instead.  If Salient are going to try
and rip me off with inflated prices and crippled software, I'll take my money
elsewhere.


mathew
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From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Mac Disertation Word Processor
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:08:47 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <9028@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
|> In article <bernard-050193094653@kashmir.cs.colorado.edu> bernard@cs.colorado.edu (Bernie Bernstein) writes:
|> >The only problem I have had is dealing with references (bibliographical).
|> >There are utilities for MS Word which can auto number and otherwise deal
|> >with their formatting like End Note and WordRef. Do these utilities work in
|> >FrameMaker?
|> 
|> The summary line says it all.  WordRef's author Mark Nodine doesn't even know
|> Word's full save file format, but is lucky that he can access the text inside
|> such a document at a high level at which he doesn't _need_ to know the file
|> format.  So, I'm willing to bet that WordRef won't work at all with anything
|> but Word, _unless_ the document file format allows the same kind of access to
|> text that Word's does _and_ WordRef is or is made capable of reading such
|> files (probably just a matter of changing the file filter).

WordRef assumes that the file contains the ASCII text in order,
possibly with some binary text interspersed.  That assumption holds
for Word documents (at least when Fast Save is turned off).  The
particular sequences chosen for WordRef variables ("<<#..." and
"<<@..") were selected to make it very unlikely that the binary
part would interfere with WordRef's operation.  There may be
other word processors that also store the text in uncompressed
ASCII (MacWrite compresses the text) and in order.  In those cases,
the main difficulty with getting WordRef to work is that the
current version uses a file filter to select out only MS Word
documents.

	--Mark
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From: jr5090@sarah.albany.edu (Josh Reiss)
Subject: Help!!! Does anyone know where I can download Apples CD-Rom Driver??
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:44:08 GMT

I'm helping a friend with a IIcx & sys 7.1 & a hitachi cd-rom drive. His old
cd-rom driver no longer works with the new software.

Does anyone know the site I can download this from????????

				-Josh Reiss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: taylort@happy.rtp.dg.com (Tad Taylor - SQE Security Poobah)
Subject: Re: Tax software?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:21:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In case any one really IS keeping count, I used TurboTax for the Mac
for my '90 taxes and MacInTax for my '91 taxes.  I had no tax related
problems either year and (unfortunately) my taxes are not trivial.
This is not to discount anyone else's negative experiences, but I like
the problem and didn't hesitate to order it again (I haven't used this
year's version yet).  I won't consider TaxCut until they can handle
North Carolina state taxes, even though I use Managing Your Money.

In article <1993Jan10.122134.24666@hasler.ascom.ch> steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>In case anyone's taking count, here's another "thumbs down" on ChipSoft. I
>suspect anyone who did not have trouble with 1991 MacInTax had pretty trivial
>taxes, and did not stress the system. For instance, I started filling out a
>form by mistake, and I never was able to get rid of it, or even delete certain
>fields -- it ended up adding in $0.02, which I subtracted out near the end
>of the form to keep it from screwing up everything else.
>
>That was just one of the many problems I had. If you do a 1040EZ, I'm sure
>MacInTax is fine, but if you have investments, rental income, and run a
>business, forget it!
>
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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: Printing rotated text with MS Word on a LaserWriter LS
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:30:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)

In article <1iocqrINNodm@overload.lbl.gov> spielman@ux5.lbl.gov (Steven Spielman) writes:
>Rotated text gets printed at 72 dpi.  It happens with Pasted PICT objects, as
>well as ones made with Word's own PICT editor. 

>Not a disaster, I know, but it looks sloppy, and it seems like it
>doesn't have to be this way.  Claris CAD can print rotated text at 300
>dpi.  Word can even print 300 dpi bitmaps o.k.

>Has anyone discovered an antidote for this?  

Unfortunately, there is no antidote for this.  The LaserWriter LS is a
hi-res QuickDraw device.  QuickDraw has no provisions for rotating the drawing
axes (ala PostScript).  So the only way to create rotated text for
QuickDraw devices is to convert the text to a bitmap and rotate the bitmap,
bit by bit.  Now, even if we could create multiple bitmaps for different
resolutions without bending the rules, the chances that we would do so for
rotation are slim.  The number of bits one has to look at in order to
rotate a bitmap is proportional to the square of the number of dots per
inch.


-- 
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Microsoft doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for Microsoft.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: darmstrong@oryx.com (David Armstrong)
Subject: Re: Background Printing of PostScript files
Keywords: postscript,apple,chooser
Reply-To: darmstrong@oryx.com (David Armstrong)
Organization: Oryx Energy Company, Resource Mapping
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:32:40 GMT

Go into the chooser and select the printer and set the printing
 to background on.


----------------------------------------------------------darmstrong@oryx.com (David Armstrong)
Oryx Energy Company
13155 Noel Road
Dallas, TX  75240-5067
U.S.A.
214-715-8452

 (my opinions are my own and not my employer's)
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From: chief@world.std.com (john j chirichiello)
Subject: Re: Why Apple's System 7.1 sucks in my opinion.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:30:15 GMT

rsvanc00@nx06.mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance) writes:

>I recently purchased Apple's Macintosh operating System, Version 7.1
>from MacWarehouse. I was impressed with the speed that MacWarehouse
>had in delivering, even with the fact that System 7.1 was a bit delayed
>due to the holidays. Well, I got System 7.1 today, I unpacked it with
>a greedy smile and a gladdened heart, now I could finally throw away
>my antiquated System 6 from the System Folder. I noticed several goodies
>which Apple gave me for my purchase. At Ease! Wow! and QuickTime to boot,
>Cool! Now I could look at my QT copy of the Zapruder film! ;) ;) ;)

>Then, to my horror, I noticed a small note Apple packed in. It read:

>"If your computer does not have a 1.4 MB floppy drive..." (title)


    Just to let you know that I went through the same thing you
did.  I did not have the patients you had, instead I sent system
7.1 back to Mac Connection.  I think Apple should of had two
packages available.  One for 800K drives and one for 1.4 drives.
 
John
.
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Mac Disertation Word Processor
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:44:32 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <C0Gqnr.DpH@world.std.com> jbk@world.std.com (Jeffrey B Kane) writes:
~I also did my disertation in Word using Prescience's Expresionist (for the 
~equations) and EndNote (for the bibliography).

I wrote my thesis using Word as well, but if I had to do it over (aargh!!) I'd
use Textures, which is pretty much as close to a WYSIWYG latex as I have seen,
and produces the beautiful equations that all TeX-users know and love - none
of the stuff that looks like it was drawn with a crayon that you get from
Expressionist or the Word 5 equation editor. Being LaTeX, you can do figure
and equation references correctly and quickly.




-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

This message cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Bloody good value if you ask me.
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From: Ben Burch <Burch_Ben@wes.mot.com>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect for the Mac: Is this a soon-to-be-dead product?
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:29:27 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76DD0534502B081@ben_burch.pb.wes.mot.com>
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 05:30:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.065934.17397@gallant.apple.com> dk smith,
dks@gallant.apple.com writes:
> believe it either. So... is this a dead product? << WordPerfect
employees
> are disqualified and may not answer>> The inside back cover of MacWorld
> shows WP for Mac to consistently place in the top 15 business packages.

It's not a dead product.  New version was out only this Summer, I recall.
 Not
only that, it is a much nicer WP than MS Word.  Then again, I still use
MacWrite II, so I may not be much of a judge of these things.  I think
that
you will find that the online help is good enough that you will not need
much in the way of additional books.

-Ben Burch
From: jonathan@hermes.bc.edu (Jonathan A. Duke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Mighty Draw: $25!?
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:05:46 GMT
Organization: Boston College
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A771A1D71C010511@ip39.bc.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:01:11 GMT
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Subject: Mighty Draw: $25!?
From: Erick Young, am158wcg@sdcc15.ucsd.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:00:40 GMT
In article <43103@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Erick Young, am158wcg@sdcc15.ucsd.edu
writes:
>
>   Is anyone familiar with a new drawing package called Mighty Draw
>from Abracadata, Ltd.? The blurb in MacWAREHOUSE says that "Mighty
>Draw is an affordable, general-purpose, object-oriented drawing
>program, that allows the user to create pie, column, bar, and flow
>charts, graphs, electronic schematics, network diagrams, flyers,
>newsletters, greeting cards, logos, and more!"
>
>For a mere *$25*, this program sounds a little *too* good. Comments
>or experiences welcomed.
>
>Erick
>eyoung@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

Sounds like it is based on the engine that drives "Sprout," a 
garden design program.

Sprout is ~$50 from MacConnection.  I've used it a bit, but not
extensively.  Not bad, really.

Jon
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From: jbk@world.std.com (Jeffrey B Kane)
Subject: Re: Mac Disertation Word Processor
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:52:38 GMT

I also did my disertation in Word using Prescience's Expresionist (for the 
equations) and EndNote (for the bibliography).

The other important program to consider using is FrameMaker.  It offers
citations (i.e. See Figure XX on page YY, Chapter ZZ), sideways pages
(good for tables and big figures) and it works with EndNote (so you can
still use their product for your bibliographic database).  The equation
editor is wonderful and even solves DEQ and integrals symbolically (don't
ask...)  The other good thing is that they have competative upgrade going
on until the end of Jan, call MacWarehouse and you can get it for $319
if you own any other pagelayout, word processor, or drawing program.

               Jeffrey


======================================
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Kane Biomedical Systems
Boston, MA

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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: ClarisWorks -- two bizarre hints (bugs)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:00:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

Well, I've found a couple more bugs in ClarisWorks.  These may only apply to
the International version.

Firstly, the manual says that you can save stationery documents in
System Folder:Claris so that you don't have to set up page sizes and stuff
every time you start a new document.  It claims that the documents should be
called "ClarisWorks WP Prefs", "ClarisWorks SS Prefs" and so on.

I tried this, and it didn't work.  Eventually I got fed up with ClarisWorks
defaulting to Imperial measurements (my System is set up to be metric-only),
and I went browsing with ResEdit.  I discovered that the files should in fact
be called "ClarisWorks WP Options", not "... Prefs".  (The last STR# resource
in ClarisWorks seems to be a list of the files it looks for in the Claris
folder.)  I renamed the files, and it seemed to work better.

Except... the WP options still weren't being saved.  I investigated this, and
it turned out that changing rulers and fonts on an empty document and saving
that as stationery wasn't enough to make ClarisWorks remember the changes.  It
wasn't bothering to write the font information -- after all, the file's
empty, so what does it matter, right?

The solution I found is to start a new empty document, set it up the way you
like it, then type a single word in before saving it as stationery.  (I
recommend the word "zygodactylous", but others may work.)  Then close the
document, load it again, delete the word, and save it as stationery again.

Hopefully now I'll never see another inch ruler.


mathew
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From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: How to create partition for MacOS with Apple HD SC setup?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Office of the President
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ajax.ucop.edu

In article <C0E6rs.Knz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, chang hsu liu
<cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> 
> 	I was trying to create partitions using Apple HD SC setup in vain.
> I can create partition for Aux or other misc type but it won't show on
> the desktop. I would prefer not to use 3rd party formatting software. Is
> it possible to create partitions using Apple HD SC Setup?
> 
Apple HD SC Setup can only create one Mac OS partition. As you have
noticed, it can create multiple partitions, such as AUX, but you are
limited to a single Mac OS partition. Sorry, but I'm not aware of any
alternative to using third-party software if you want multiple Mac OS
partitions.

-----------
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All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
University wanted me to speak for it.
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From: rowley@theporch.raider.net (Michael Rowland)
Subject: Re: possible to save ASCII postscript from Quark?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:25:54 GMT
Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn.

dws@ssec.wisc.edu (DaviD W. Sanderson) writes:

> Is it possible to save something from Quark in ASCII encapsulated
> postscript form?  I've been trying to help someone save an image from
> Quark in encapsulated postscript format, and all he can get is a
> postscript file with a binary header and trailer, with all the newlines
> in the postscript text removed.  Since the newlines in the postscript
> text are all gone, the postscript text has the tokens at the end of
> what would have been lines 'glued' to the tokens at the beginning of
> what would have been following lines.  This makes the postscript text
> useless.
> 
> If there isn't a way to save the figure as ASCII EPS, does anyone have
> a program which can read the Quark binary EPS format and produce
> regular ASCII EPS?  I imagine the binary header and trailer record
> where the newlines should be....
> 
> DaviD W. Sanderson (dws@ssec.wisc.edu)

Have you tried to "Place" the EPS as artwork within Adobe Illustrator? 
I've had some success that way. You also might try [oddly enough] Placing 
it in PageMaker.

jmr

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ggmar@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Word 5.0 -> 5.1 upgrade questions
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:12:50 GMT

Could somebody please give me the phone number for Microsoft Word? I've
misplaced my registration card for Word 5.0, and haven't found the phone
numbers for the Word 5.0 to 5.1 upgrade anywhere. BTW, how much does the
upgrade from Word 5.0 to Word 5.1 cost?

Thanks

Gerald Marfoe
gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu
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From: pmuniyap@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pravin K Muniyappa)
Subject: MPEG on a mac
Organization: The Ohio State University
     Is there anyway to view MPEG files for an IBM on a mac????
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:01:33 GMT

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