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From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:36:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mdd.1992Sep2.173632.9325
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC

In article <1992Sep1.123004.3293@b11.b11.ingr.com> cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:
>Our company league is sponsoring a 3 club tournament in a couple of weeks.
>Having never played in such a thing, I'm wondering--"Which three clubs
>should I take?".  I don't know anything about the course, having never played
>it before, and your putter does count as one of the clubs.  The only thing
>I have decided is that the longest club I should take is a 3 wood.
>
If you hit long irons well then try a 2 iron to use from the tee,
from the fairway as a 2-4 iron (choke up on club). Also
to be used as your putter.

Pick your favorite mid iron (5 or 6) to be used again from
a 5-7 iron and as a chipping club.

Pick the 9 or Pwedge for those close in shots and as club for
pitching to the green and as a sand wedge.

I would use 2 - 6 - PW.

Mike N.
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow Play  was:: Divots.....
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:41:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <JEFFK.92Aug28155533@dosXX.med.utah.edu> jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell) writes:
>jeff       Would a rifle count as one of my 14 clubs?

So long as the grip meets USGA specifications.  You can also use it to
measure for taking relief, so get a long one.  I carry an 8 mm Mauser,
made in Danzig 1892.  It's longer than my driver, so it's gotten me out of
a pile of tough situations.  Be sure to install the bayonet BEFORE going
out on the course.  You wouldn't want to get penalized for modifying a
club during play.

-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm          This signature gives you specific legal rights.  You
N9LFF                   might have other rights that vary from state to state.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Re: I putt where I aim but the ball doesn't drop
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)


In article <1992Sep1.143840.20696@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
writes:

>How many times do you putt the ball exactly where you were aiming only
>to find that you read the break wrong.  
 
>Stated another way:  Why should I miss any putts under 10 feet?

You have actually stated two different things here.  You can miss 
putts because you miss read the break, but you can also miss putts
for various other reasons.  Neither greens nor golf balls always
perform perfectly.  The odds of them performing perfectly appear
to be fairly slim.  There are steps you can take to ensure you get 
the best roll possible, but that does not guarantee a holed putt.

Since I started playing this game, the weakest part of my game 
has been my putting.  Occasionally I will putt real well, and I
begin to think I have my problem licked, but then it is back to
34-38 putts a round.  I've had rounds were I have gotten fairly 
close to half my strokes being putts.  I have decided to dedicate
myself this year to becoming a more competent putter.   
 
I recently bought a book that I believe is going to help me in
my quest tremendously.  It is Dave Pelz's "Putt Like the Pros-
Dave Pelz`s Scientific Way to Improving your Stroke, Reading 
Greens and Lowering your score".  I've read through it and he
has some great theorys.  I plan on spending the next few months
to a year working on some of his drills.
 
>How do people read green?  (I am aware of the effects of gravity, but
>what about other affects on break?)
 
This is a tough subject to deal with in this group.  I would advise
getting Pelz's book.  He has a chapter on "The Elusive Art of Green-
Reading"  Topics covered in this Chapter include:
 
  Get a Fast Start
  Read as you Walk
  Read Slope From Below and Walking
  To Bob or Not to Bob
  Concentrate "Close to Home"
  Improve your "Speed Reading"
  Know Grain's "Steering" Effect
  Grain Checks
  Don't forget wind-and rain
  Make the "Wet" work for you
  Practice "Reading" to tees, not Cups
  Putting your "Read" Together

>Steve Anastasi

Dan King

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Subject: Re: I putt where I aim but the ball doesn't drop
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:42:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.163048.13956@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep1.143840.20696@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
>writes:
>
>>How many times do you putt the ball exactly where you were aiming only
>>to find that you read the break wrong.  
> 
>>Stated another way:  Why should I miss any putts under 10 feet?
>
...
> 
>This is a tough subject to deal with in this group.  I would advise
>getting Pelz's book.  He has a chapter on "The Elusive Art of Green-
>Reading"  Topics covered in this Chapter include:
> 
>  Get a Fast Start
>  Read as you Walk
>  Read Slope From Below and Walking
>  To Bob or Not to Bob
>  Concentrate "Close to Home"
>  Improve your "Speed Reading"
>  Know Grain's "Steering" Effect
...

I'm a decent putter -- usually 2 puts/hole.  My theory on putting is
to concentrate like crazy.  I take a couple practice strokes to get
the speed, then I stare down the cup, until it's all I see.

On a 9-hole company-league match a few weeks ago I had 14 putts, and
shot my best ever 2 over par for 9.

Roger
From: 21329JMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 5 Re: Divots.....
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:08:03 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

>In article <1992Aug27.173315.6199@mmm.serc.3m.com>, us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (S
>even M. Anastasi) writes:
>|> ... much deleted ...
>|> I take a swish at the ground with long irons and my woods.  About an 1/8
>|> swing.  Why?  Habit.  Addressing the ball.  Getting the feel for the
>|> club.  It doesn't consume much time.  I don't get why people take
>|> practice swings after the first hole.  And if they do take practice
>|> swings  ONE IS ENOUGH!
>|>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>
>      AMEN !!!!

I disagree!  I happen to take a few practice swings at each hole.
I like to, and it makes me feel more confident.  Anyone playing in
a group behind me who tries to rush me just may end up eating
one of their own clubs (I wouldn't treat mine so badly).
I mean it, too, so let someone try.  I pay my greens fees every
weekend just like everyone else, and have the right to play at `
my own pace.  If that includes practice swings on each hole, or even
if I decided to mentally adjust myself for a few minutes with silent
contemplation, that's my own choice.  Interfere with that at your
own risk.

-JAS
From: jdd@duke.cs.duke.edu (John Dengler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: computer golf hall of fame
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:20:33 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

I've recently purchased the PGA Tour computer golf game and have been 
practicing it fairly regularly lately.  I've shot some low scores, but
I'm curious to see how others have done (one can never be sure if
skill or level of difficulty is the main cause of a score...).  So,
if anyone has scores, tournament finishes, etc. they are proud of, let
me know.  Post or send email.  Be sure to say which courses your
successes or failures occured on.  I'll post a summary of the "Hall of Fame"
to the net.
-- 
John Dengler, Computer Science Dept., Duke University, Durham, NC 27706 USA
ARPA:	jdd@cs.duke.edu
CSNET:	jdd@duke
UUCP:	decvax!duke!jdd
From: gnicoll@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gavin F Nicoll SS91)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Scotland Golfing
Keywords: Need Info
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:28:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <9sfnxw-.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <19815@drutx.ATT.COM> crb1@druwy.ATT.COM (BotnerCR) writes:
>
>>I'll be in Scotland next month and plan to spend 3 days golfing.  Is
>>there anything I should be aware of before I get out on the course (like,
>>some things I should do or not do)?
>>
>>I do not want to be the "ugly, loud, etc." American.
>
>This is not first-hand experience, but by all accounts the Scots play
>the game *MUCH* faster than we do.  Some of the private clubs only
>permit foursome [*] play on the weekends, and a three-hour round is
>nothing to be proud of.  Be ready to hit and run, as it were.
>
>[*] I used the true definition of foursome here, where two play 
>against two, and each side plays one ball.
>-- 
>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
>SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
>Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974


I hate to be bringer of doom and gloom, but Scotland also suffers
from slow play as well. 

Just the other day I had the mis-misfortune of playing in a medal
which took, wait for it, roughly five hours to get round. Where a
good chunk of that was used to get to the sixth tee. Can you imagine
a tee that contained five sets of three-balls, well that was the
situation. And who were the culprits, I don't mean to get critical
here but, and a group of middle-aged hackers, one in particular took
five shots to clear the tee !!!       

After a full 90 degree side shot, he proceeded to top the ball
twice, hit a bench before finally hitting the ball 30 yrds past the
tee and still he and his group and the cheek to play on and not let
at least one group through.

What it really boils down to is some members/players having total
disregard to the rules and etiquette of golf. The sooner this
ignorance is solved the quicker the problem of slow play will
disappear.

-- 
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From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:47:28 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:

>Our company league is sponsoring a 3 club tournament in a couple of weeks.
>Having never played in such a thing, I'm wondering--"Which three clubs
>should I take?".  I don't know anything about the course, having never played
>it before, and your putter does count as one of the clubs.  The only thing
>I have decided is that the longest club I should take is a 3 wood.

I always take my driver, 7-iron, wedge, and putter...at least in the 
3-clubbers I play in, a putter does not count....

Mark
--
Mark Koenig, Optimization Specialist
Convex Computer Corporation         koenig@convex.com
P.O. Box 833851  M.S. SAL           Phone: (214) 497-4298
Richardson, Texas  75083-3851       FAX:   (214) 497-4550
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From: msains@ibis.ru.ac.za (Malcolm Sainsbury)
Subject: Re: Tommy Armour Anecdote
Organization: BIS Department, Rhodes University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:03:05 GMT


A quote ascribed to Tommy Armour has helped me cut several shots
off my score: 

"The best shot in golf is the shot that makes the next shot easiest"

Does anyone know if this really was an Armour quote ?  Whenever I am 
faced with a difficult or tempting shot, I quote this little piece of
advice to myself.  (If only I would listen to it more often)

Regards

Malcolm
--
Malcolm Sainsbury - Dept of Business Information Systems - Rhodes University
Internet: msains@ibis.ru.ac.za                 Phone: +27 [0]461 22023 xt 244
    uucp: ..!uunet!m2xenix!quagga!ibis!msains    Fax: +27 [0]461 25049
From: rcw@crosfield.co.uk (bob wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: handicaps
Keywords: undefined,cheats
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:33:45 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.


	Just a poll of golfers on the net to see how you/ your golf
club  interpret the handicapping system.
	I am basically a poacher turned gamekeeper on this subject and
now really get the needle if blatant handicap anomalies show up.

	I currently have a 5 handicap, this has been arrived at over
the last year or so by submitting all cards, competition or not,
in which I play a full medal round. Good or bad! This seems to work ok
if everybody does it, and I believe is the intention of handicap
system.
	This usually translates to me playing to my handicap about 25%
of the time, and the range being anywhere in general from -1 to +14,
with the average about 7. Now, alot of people think that their
handicap is one that they should nearly always play to. The amount of
players coming in after medal rounds who are pissed off at having 
shot nett par is amazing.
	So enough ranting. What percentage of the time do you think
you should play to your handicap? and how do you think it should be
calculated (slope stuff accepted and excepted).

Bob. (fed up with getting stuffed nett, by 16 handicappers shooting +6) 
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:47:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug27.125035.27433@mksol.dseg.ti.com> whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342) writes:

>I am curious as to whether it is good to take a divot
>or not.  If it is good, when is it good, how large 
>should the divot be?  Does the club make the difference,
>I am aware that a wood should not make a "divot", but
>do different brands of clubs make more of a divot than
>others?  What is your opinion, an enquiring mind would
>like to know.

Taking a divot is the most visible sign of a proper descending
swing with an iron.  While it isn't necessary to take a divot, the
margin of error is tiny if you don't.

The more lofted the club, the bigger the "appropriate" divot.  A two
iron ought to barely pull up some turf, while a wedge can produce a
green beaver tail.  One should almost never create a divot with a wood.

Club design also affects the size and shape of a divot.  Game-improvement
clubs, with heavier soles and more offset, produce longer and deeper
divots than do traditional clubs.

The most important thing about a divot is:  correctly replacing it!
Retrieve as many pieces as possible, quickly fit them to their original
position, and press hard.  They should grow back, but even if they don't,
their replacement will prevent a ball from coming to rest in the hole.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: jasonc@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Jason Chodora)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:57:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

In rec.sport.golf, lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg) writes:

>   I'm not against taking a practice swing or two but taking more 
> than two will invite slow play.   There is nothing more aggrevating
> than watching someone take 2,3,or 4 practice swings and then proceed
> to hit it sideways or just beyond their shadow.   If you are not
> a good player, don't waste your time and others (especially those
> behind you) by taking all those practice swings.  "Grip it and
> rip it".

If you want to take practice swings, great. But try to do it while you
are waiting for other players to hit (as long as you can do it without
bothering them.)  When it is your turn, be ready to hit.  The same goes
for putts.  Read the break and speed while other people are putting.
If you want to look at the putt from 10 different directions, great...
but don't wait until it's your turn to start looking.

Jason
From: spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow Play
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: spillane@olympus.ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

>As mentioned in my previous article, I am not against a few practice
>swings.  But if a golfer usually doesn't hit the ball well, why
>take more than 2 practice swings?

>Secondly, just because you pay your green fees, or your club membership
>or an entry fee to a tournament be it local, state or national,
>does not give you the right to play at your own pace if your pace
>is deemed unacceptably slow.   Unacceptably slow is any group that
>falls 1 hole behind the group in front of them and the group in back
>is waiting.  If the group in front happens to be fast and there's
>no one waiting in back of you, no problem.     Also, if you or
>your group wants to play slow and there's people in back waiting
>and there's no one in front, wave them through as a courtesy.

>-Paul

I never said I didn't play with courtesy, or refused to wave
people through. I, in fact, DO wave people through when we are
playing a foursome, with my wife, and a twosome comes up behind us
in a cart. (We walk the course).  My objection and steadfast 
opinion on the matter of casual play and practice swings is aimed
at those dangerous and inconsiderate people who try to rush us
by teeing off while we are still within their reach on the fairway.
They seem to think yelling four as their ball sails over or at you is
good enough.  My point is that they should not have hit.  Calm down, 
have a seat on a bench, and wait until people are out of range. Don't
get upset because someone is setting up their shot in the fairway
and decide to "Take a chance with your shot".

A good amount of the blame for cramped courses and the feeling of being
rushed has to be placed on the fact that many of the courses only allow 4
(in the case of Poland Springs) to 10 minutes between groups on the first
tee. This causes jams, and the inconsiderate faster players become mean.

As for the other comments I have gotten about courses kicking me off for
being slow, and golf not being suited to me, I have this coment to make.
I have never been even warned about my play, and am well known/respected 
by the management of my home course.  Golf is well suited to me, and 
perhaps it is you, in your own ignorant and insulting manner, who should 
take up bowling.  Paul did not make these comments, so he is not my target in
this.  You know who you are.

In closing I think there are very few people who would not take my position
if someone were to be trying to rush your group in the manner I stated above.
Lord help the people who hit or come close to hitting my wife with a ball
because they thought we were too slow for them.

-James A. Spillane
From: gettikl@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Stiff shafts???
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:28:14 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I have recently purchased a stiff shafted Senator 1 iron. I don't hit
my woods very well so I have resorted to hitting long irons off of the
tee and have had very good rounds since. To get to the point, will a
stiff shaft never have that solid feel when you hit the ball unless
you swing over ~90mph. I swing about 85-90mph most of the time. If I
try to swing faster I lose alot of my form and end up slicing or some
other ungodly act. I hit this club well but it never feels solid and I
am wondering if I am not swinging fast enough and not getting the full
potential of my club.
Comments please!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg)
Subject: Re: 3 Club Tournament--Which Three?
Reply-To: d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.195326.12407@csc.ti.com>, jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep1.123004.3293@b11.b11.ingr.com> cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:
 
deleted stuff

|> 
|> For me -  I live by, die by, the DRIVER.  Unless the course is under 6K yds, 
|>           I bring it along.  As I don't particularly wish to have to learn
|>           new skills for a silly tournament, I'll bring my Putter.  The 
|>           thought of putting with the Killer Whale would keep me awake at
|>           night....  8)   Me: DRIVER, 7-iron, putter.  This leaves me 
|>           vulnerable for a par-3 >180yds and a par 4 >450yds.  Pretty good
|>           odds.  I'd rather figure out how to pitch/chip with a 7, than 
|>           putt with a sledge-hammer...
|> 

450 yards: Driver, 7-iron. Could be tough in a headwind, Daly!
From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: RE: 3-club tournaments
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Around Buffalo I've not only heard of Three-Club-Tournaments, but ONE-CLUB-
Tournaments.   My boss Bobby Page ( ~ 12 handicap)  used a 4-iron in it and
scored a 90 or so.

Oh, I believe Glen Oaks in Buffalo, NY USA are the people giving free 
drinks for _4-1/2 hour_ games or less.  Hey, it MIGHT be worth your while!
Bring three tea-totallers, and drink top-shelf.  :^)  45-dollar greens-fees
after noon, though---double what all public courses are around here---
But Golf Digest said it was in the top 75 courses in the nation--gouge
those prices!!!

The day I take MY 4-iron from 185 and plop one on the green is the day
I eat my golf spikes!!! 

.........................................................................

--Mergle                                William L. Priester Jr.
                                        V051R9BF@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

Nothin' like watching my partners dig the ball
out of the hole with their putter....*scrape scrape*
"Whoops!"

...........................................................................
From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:23:19 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
     Forgive me Golfers for I have sinned.
	..........	
missed his P-wedge at some point but he never came looking.  Now I feel that I've
lowered myself to his level, but I also consider the wedge (Mizuno Tour xp w/
graphite shaft) partial compensation for his ruining my $30 round of golf.
Yeah I know, Golf isn't about all that petty crap, but it felt nice knowing that
I rescued the wedge from that nasty man.  Go ahead, FLAME ME,I deserve it.  But 
haven't you all encountered someone like this. someone who doesn't understand and
doesn't want to understand.  Go ahead, FLAME ME, because of the length of this
post.  Sorry I just had to get that off my chest.

I, not my company, am responsible for my rantings or criminal behavior. -Tim 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


My son,

None of us is without sin.  
Having confessed, absolve yourself by practicing your pitching (with the wedge)
for 3 hours, and read Hogan's "Fundamental's".  Twice.


I can't say I would not have done the same thing.  "Rescuing" the pitching
wedge is good justification.  Even better is that this guy losing a pitching
wedge may make the son start to realize what a jerk his father is, and not
turn out just like him.

jaym
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