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From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Lodge Tarot.
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:47:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <4245@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:

	<much deleted>

| To me, the closet tie to TP:FWWM is that of the
|shaman or the quatum physicist and the works of Fred Alan Wolf have the
|most links. But look at what he has us talking about! Is Twin Peaks simply
|a call to think? Research? Read? Be inquisitive?
|
| Yes, I think it is.
|
|-- 
|   __
| /--   __/
|(___, (_/rury@3cpu.rain.com

That could explain why there is alt.tv.twin-peaks, but no
alt.tv.threes-company
alt.tv.gillians-island
alt.tv.cheers
alt.tv.<fill-in-the-blank-and-win-a-free-subscription-to-the-TVGuide>

I wouldn't have liked the show nearly as much had I not been able to
read the ideas that have been bounced around the net.

Here's to cranial activity!


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jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  be crunchy, would it?  -  MPFC
---------------------------+  That is your reciept for your husband,
and this is my reciept for your reciept. - Brazil
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Blue rose, Desmond finds the ring
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:44:16 GMT

In article <BuKoKE.KA5@scd.hp.com>, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
wrote:
> 
> I haven't figured out what the blue rose is yet.  Maybe i'm naive, maybe
> not.  Desmond goes back to find the blue rose, finds the ring and disappears.
> Is the blue rose the ring?  If so, then how did Cole know about it?
> 
> How did Desmond deduce, from looking at the deputy's trailer and Teresa's
> trailer that the Tresmond trailer should be his next step?  Why did he look

It's Tremond. Hope I didn't confuse you with my posting about the name.

> for the ring under it?

The script posting says he 'has a feeling' and sees a hand in the window of
the trailer. I looked very carefully and don't see any hand.  The best
answer is 'intuition'.

>Why would the deputy remove it from Teresa's dead
> finger?

We don't know he did. That was sort of the implication of Desmond's
question of the sheriff, but it still isn't clear what the true
significance of the ring is and her involvment with it.

>  Did he _place_ it under the trailer?

Very unlikely, I would say.

-Rich
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM gripes
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:48:36 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <37698@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)  
writes:
> 
> > 7. Kyle MacLachlan mailed in his performance.  Completely flat.
> 
> Others think so too.  Why?  Yeah, his role was short, but flat?  He looked
> pretty concerned in Philadelphia.  He just wasn't smiling and happy as in TV
> cuz he certainly had no reason for that...
> 
It seems to me that this was very well done, because, thinking back to the  
first episodes of Twin Peaks, this robotic man WAS Cooper -- Cooper "loosened  
up" a whole lot during the second season, but what he did in FWWM was quite in  
character with what he should have been like before the first season, IMHO.  In  
fact, I think I would have been much more disgruntled if he had been all jokes  
and smiles (or even serious, but human), because of that very continuity with  
the beginning of the series..
--
schmotsignature.
Paul Hagstrom
(hagstrop@carleton.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: dcormell@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: FWWM: Spoilers/thoughts
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:24:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.200053.18638@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ploux@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Loux) writes:
> 
> 
> Spoiler spaces...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
 Since no one else has mentioned it, I'll throw this out for
> consideration. How about Deer Meadow as a twin of Twin Peaks.
> You have a great case for a doppelganger community here. The
> Sheriff's secretary is completely antithetical to Lucy's
> sweet, winsome, helpful, generous ways. The deputy always
> laughs, Andy always cris. Sheriff Cable couldn't be further
> from Truman. The town (at least, the Fat Trout Trailer Park)
> seems to be at the diametrically opposed end of the socio-
> economic spectrum from Twin Peaks. Contrast Harry Dean Stanton
> with Ben Horne for guest accomodations. Then there's the
> diner, with the sardonic waitress, cigarette but hanging
> from her lip; hardly Norma. But she is blond, as it the
> Sheriff's secretary.
> 
> Another thought: point has been raised as to a possible
> continuity error whereby Laura has already given Harold Smith
> her secret diary _before_ she wakes up with Annie in her bed
> telling her to write in her diary about Cooper and Laura
> being in the Lodge. But this is in fact perfectly correct,
> because this dream is not reflected in the diary, we don't
> find out about it until Cooper and Donna (in the series)
> encounter the _real_ Mrs. Tremond, who gives them the note
> that Harold or Laura had given her to give to Donna. That
> note describes Laura's dream in which she believes Cooper
> is going to help her, the dream about the Lodge. So she
> must have given that to Harold or Mrs. Tremond the next day.
> 
> 
GOD I LOVE THIS THEORY - a Twin, Twin Peaks.  Fits right into the other
look alikes, yet are different themes seen throughout TP and FWWM.
Cool - debbie

dcormell@SSCVX1.gov

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Summary: Canada peaceful like Twin Peaks
Keywords: Yes, you are correct sir! :-)
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:07:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <1992Sep3.180230.7312@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.084258.5488@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:
>> In article <H11FqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
>>>01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>
>> 
>>  Twin Peaks is supposed to be really close to the Canadian border. Remember
>>  that One Eyed Jacks is also in Canada (from what I understood). I don't
>>  know about anyone else but, I am from Canada and I didn't particularly like
>>  the impression they were trying to paint on Canadian bars, or Canada itself.
>>  I mean when Laura enters "The Bar" in Canada to meet Jacques and Ronnette all
>>  you see is sex, drugs and rock and roll. I mean girls dirty dancing on the
>>  floor like they were doing, stripping down, guys licking the breasts of
>>  women and women being "eaten out" (Laura..under the table) and then have
>>  Jacques (or someone) saying "Welcome to Canada" didn't seem too pleasing. I
>>  for one would like to know of any bars in Canada which are like *that*. :-)
>> 
>
>
>Well, I'm Canadian too, and I thought it was a riot. I mean, when you think of 
>it, Canada has an international reputation a lot like TP. Lots of scenery,
>lots of trees, the Rockies, quite rural, and the people are all nice, 
>friendly, maybe a little on the dull side. Mind, I'm not saying Canada is *like*
>that, but I think that's what a lot of overseas people believe, or so I suspect.
>
>Therefore, I think it makes sence that Canada, like TP, is idyllic and quiet
>on the surface, but is hiding lots of dirty little secrets. I wonder if Lynch
>has ever been to Canada.
>
>Just a thought.
>Mike

 Actually, this is true.. now that I think of it Twin Peaks DOES resemble
 Canada like you said. As a sidenote, on a comedy show I was watching there
 was a sketch where a comedian was saying that Canada would be the perfect
 country to invade someone else. You would have the president from the other
 country calling the UN and telling them that Canada is invading us and the
 UN would say Canada? They wouldn't do anything like that... :-)
  
  -=*George*=-
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP:FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:28:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <38033@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the
'ead) wrote:
> Sycamore Trees is listed in the end credits but I don't know where it is so I
> assume that the bit of music that plays when Le-BOB enters the red room at the
> end is credited as Sycamore Trees.

That's my memory too. Not much of it, but I think that is what it is. 
Alternatively, the credits may be in error as reflects the version released
in the US.

Great job summarizing the soundtrack bits!  Putting it in the FFWM
timeline?

Unlike many (dare I say most?) movies where the dialog delivers all the
information, FWWM (and TP) make use of both the visual element (e.g., using
a high camera angel to represent the presence of an unseen angel) and the
musical (plus some special sound effects like the whoop and the crackle) . 
A simple transcription of the dialog for FWWM will be missing some
important clues.

-Rich Haller
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Blue rose, Desmond finds the ring
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:20:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BuKoKE.KA5@scd.hp.com>, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes...
>I haven't figured out what the blue rose is yet.  Maybe i'm naive, maybe
>not.  Desmond goes back to find the blue rose, finds the ring and disappears.
>Is the blue rose the ring?  If so, then how did Cole know about it?

     No.  Desmond didn't return to the trailer park alone "for" the
     Blue Rose - i.e., to find one.  Blue Rose refers to a TYPE of
     case, not an objective.
     Whatever the flower symbolism is of a Blue Rose, the name probably
     originated from Project Bluebook, of which Cole was probably a high
     ranking member - so were Major Briggs and Windom Earle.
     When Bluebook folded, finding that UFOs were hoaxes, Cole, Briggs
     and Earle continued to investigate happenings in the American
     Northwest, looking not to space, but to the forests, the ground,
     etc.  The mythology of the local native people seemed to be
     real, alive, active, and killing some people.
     Cole may be the leader of this covert group of american intelligence
     officers/agencies - and his classification for these type of cases,
     kept in the STRICTEST secret (so strict he only communicates these
     cases to his pool of agents in elaborate code), is "Blue Rose."

>How did Desmond deduce, from looking at the deputy's trailer and Teresa's
>trailer that the Tresmond [sic] trailer should be his next step?  Why did he look
>for the ring under it?  Why would the deputy remove it from Teresa's dead
>finger?  Did he _place_ it under the trailer?

     Desmond didn't follow a straight line of deduction from Deputy
     Howard's trailer to Teresa's to the Chalfont (Tremond) trailer
     to oblivion (or wherever).
     He had already been to Teresa's trailer.  The park manager
     pointed out that another lawman - Deputy Howard - lived in this
     park.  Desmond remembered Cole's code: drugs.  Teresa was on
     cocaine; Howard was dealing it.
     A vibe - not any of this - led him to walk toward the Chalfont
     trailer -- a feeling.  He bends down and sees the mound of dirt
     with the ring.
     Deputy Howard didn't move the ring, or touch it in any way: he
     would probably have disappeared with it if he had.
     Leland/BOB left the ring there in the mound of dirt after he 
     murdered Teresa, in the same way he left the necklace and
     paper with "Fire, Walk with Me" on the mound of dirt in the
     train car after killing Laura.
     Desmond touched the ring and vanished.  (To be seen again,
     presumably).

>Just questions...

     Just answers...
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Under the rose--a solution to the blue rose
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:44:22 GMT

The blue refers to Project Blue Book, the famous government sponsored UFO
investigation that WE, and Major Briggs, and, I believe Gordon Cole, were
all part of and which officially closed in 1969 (the approximate date of
founding of the Bookhouse Boys) with the official verdict that there were
no true UFOs.

The rose refers to the expression 'sub rosa' (under the rose). Gordon Cole
is running a sub rosa investigation into whatever is behind the UFO
phenomena (Project Blue Book).

Pretty simple, eh?  Wish the rest of it were.

-Rich Haller
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The Monkey man and garmonbozia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:30:50 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^Fire Walk With Me^) writes:

> I saw FWWM for the second time with my girlfriend and SHE had some
> observations which I thought I would share with you.
> 
> She thought the stuff be eaten/spit out from the spoon at the end was
> Monkey Brains!!!  She said that's why they showed the monkey previous
> to it.  I thought the stuff was supposed to be creamed corn myself.
> 
> Also she thinks that Chet Desmond ended up in the black lodge because
> that's where the ring transported him.  She referred to the line
> "With this ring, I thee wed." as meaning the ring brings people to the
> lodge.  She thinks that the character played by Jurgon Pruchnow (man with
> beard above convenience store) is actually Chet Desmond at some later point.
> 
> Any comments on these weird ideas?
> -- 
> ^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfie
> greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu

I agree wit all the above ideas except the first one, that was creamed corn. 
As far as the second idea: The ring transports you to the black lodge, thus 
the qwl cave symbols. The symbols were a map to the lodg, Andy figured that 
out. In the Lodge you confront your shadow selfs if you survive you go to th 
white lodge. Laura already confronted her shadow self, when Bob tried to 
invade hed, but she escaped to the white lodge.

 /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
 \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Dog
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:51:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs
In-reply-to: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca's message of 6 Sep 92 23:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.235939.20555@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:

   In article <118697@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV) writes:
   >I saw the movie Saturday.  Last night, I decided to watch the first 
   >2-hour episode (yet again).
   >
   >Curious, but in the opening shot of Josie.  They show what appears
   >to be a stylized, ceramic black dog.  Coincidence?  I think not.
   >
   >Connie

    There are numerous references to dogs in Twin Peaks.. in the movie when
    the OAM is shouting at Leland in his car they quickly cut away and show
    a black dog barking.


	 -=*George*=-

   Did anyone else notice that when Leland sees the owl-mask Pierre
dancing or walking or whatever, that a very low voice in the
background was saying "The black dog (barks/walks) at night" over and
over... I'm sorry I can't remember the exact words.

    -- David
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM spoilers: The Blue Rose
Date: 5 Sep 92 06:22:46 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <1992Aug30.224642.15953@ncsu.edu> rmaddy@che20.ncsu.EDU (Richard M Addy) writes:
>
>FWWM spoilers DEAD ahead

>
>
B
>	What was the significance of the blue rose?  All the other clues the
>lady in red had were very obvious, as far as symbolism went (I'll admit
>I didn't catch them when she appeared, though).  A blue rose - something
>that doesn't exist naturally?  Therefore, an unusual or supernatural
>Acase?  Anyone?  Anyone?

Perhaps the blue rose signifies Project BlueBook, the UFO project that
Windom Earl was involved with in the 60's. Project BlueBook is a very real
government project (still in operation??).  Big top secret UFO thing.

>	 Also, I missed the first season of the series - were the old lady and
>the kid who gave Luara from that period?  I think they're from the White
>Lodge, but then why were they in the same room with Bob when David
>Bowie's character started ranting and talking about how he had seen one
>of their meetings.

spoilers up ahead for first few episodes of season 2:


Mrs. Tremond and her grandson appeared early in the second season.  They lived
across from Harold Smith, sort of. Actually we find out later on that somebody
else had been living there....a totally different Mrs. Tremond with NO grandson
and no record of the older woman anywhere.  It's probably not technically 
accurate to call the old woman Mrs. Tremond--maybe Old Woman And Grandson 
(OWaG)? Old Woman and Boy (OWaB)?  


They gave me the creeps even more in the movie.

ferenc
From: mking@planet10.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Miniseries
Date: 11 Sep 1992 03:32:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu


This is very important TP breakthrough news, and get this, i learned it in
Chem class!!

This is the description so bear with me.  There are Positrons which can be
Beta particles and then there is antimatter which is like an anti-positron.
(This is like Doppleganger or the Twin in Twin Peaks)  When these particles
meet there is what is called Annihilation, both matter come together and 
they disappear with a net result of 2 gamma rays or energy (possibly
electricity).  The two gammas go into different directions.

Ok, any comments?  Could there be a positive Coop and an anti-Coop and if they
ever meet, what?

Just something to keep you on your toes.
Lynch, are you a chemist or what?

Matt


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Mike/Bob and Wyndem Earle
Keywords: Know more about Wyndem Earle then they let on
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:05:38 GMT

>>
>
>George, I'm impressed. There is something that doesn't quite jive
>with me though. Remember the detail that time may flow backwards in 
>the Lodge, but it flows forward in our world. Even the souls/spirits
>who inhabit the lodge are at time's mercy depending on where they are.
>This was proven by me by the grandson who speaks in plain English
>when he warns Laura about the "man behind the mask". We had no
>previous knowledge of their presence in the lodge, otherwise this
>point would have been sealed by the old woman's discourse with
>Donna in the Tremond house. Therefore, how do you reconcile the fact
>that WE soul may have been split in the last episode but in our
>time he had gone psycho a long time ago? As you pointed out it is
>referred to in Coop's tapes. On one plane the OAM and the LMFAP
>were "split" from WE, but WE should have been normal until then.

I always had the suspision that Bob knew a lot more about what happened
in Pittsburgh with Wyndem Earle and Coop then we know it. Remember in the
series, the confession episode where Leland tells all, Bob is speaking and
to Coop he says something about "Just like that time in Pittsburgh!" and  Coop
has a startled look on his face and takes a couple of steps backwards. The
thought crossed my mind that back then, Bob or Mike could have been
possesing Wyndem and Caroline was one of his victims. The events which happened
at the end of the second season - Bob taking WE's soul could represent either
Bob's past possesion of Wyndem or by Bob taking his soul was why he went
nuts and ended up in the looney bin. When Earle is in the black lodge, he
has control over how he presents himself.. he appears as evil Laura, Caroline,
wounded Annie, evil Annie before he finals reveals to Coop his image. If you
doubt me, when the evil Laura screams.. "Meanwhile..." you see a quick,
blury image of Wyndem Earle appear over her face.. if you rewind your tape
and pause it when this happens it becomes quite clear and you clearly see
Wyndem Earle's face.. how did he get the power to alter his image?

-=*George*=-


>
From: chrisc@kether.webo.dg.com (Chris Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWW projectionist trivia
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:52:52 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.

The movie is playing at the theatre where I fill in occasionally
as projectionist.  Enclosed with the film print was this memo from
New Line Distribution:

  To: Theatre Projectionists
  Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

  David Lynch, the director of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
  has asked me to contact you regarding the sound level of his
  motion picture.  Mr. Lynch has put a lot of effort into the
  soundtrack of Twin Peaks, and feels that the best
  reproduction of sound will be achieved by increasing the
  volume 2 decibels above normal.  Your efforts to accomodate
  Mr. Lynch will surely result in greater audience enjoyment of
  the film and, therefore, greater boxoffice sales.

  Thank you.


Thought a couple of you might find this mildly interesting.
-----
Chris
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mfrazer@scott.skidmore.edu (Matthew Frazer)
Subject: Re: OAM's Purification (SPOILERS)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:56:16 GMT

Gee, And I thought the number was 90210

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From: mking@hikita.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Audrey!!!!!!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:14:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: hikita.wpi.edu


Sherilyn Fenn also just finished the new "Of Mice and Men" remake.
Cant wait to see Lenny snap her neck, she is too great.

Love ya Audrey!!


Matt
From: dmp@fig.citib.com (Donna M. Paino)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: grey hair
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:35:28 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: dmp@eagle


In article <KANDALL.92Sep1170900@globalize.nsg.sgi.com>, kandall@nsg.sgi.com (Michael Kandall) writes:
|> 
|> Why did Leland's hair turn white in the TV series?  I thought it was
|> because BOB had taken over his mind/body/soul.  Coop said he should
|> have realized earlier that BOB's grey, greasy hair, and the sudden
|> change in Leland's hair was related.

Josie, who died with BOB taking over her body, also had a drastic
change in hairstyle, too.  But Cooper's hair never changed, so that
last scene where BOB appears in his mirror doesn't follow the pattern
(but what ever did, in that show!!!).

Donna
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks