HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: genew@techbook.com (Gene Wolford)
Subject: Monsters on the loose! Beware Taxula and his cohort Algore.
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:27:10 GMT

>From: frankm@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Frank 'Scruff' Miller)
>Newsgroups: or.politics
>Subject: Clear the desk!
>Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.
>
>Ok Mr. Bush ... here's a box, now clear your desk!
>


Ok Mr. J. Q. Public... here's your vasilene, now bend over and grab your
ankles!

You voted for Clinton, now we all get Gored.

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From: parkerg@osshe.edu (Greg Parker)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Oregon politics/this forum
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:53:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxB30I.A5C
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State System of Higher Education

Oregon readers:
Am I being Xenophobic- or are there others who do not care
for the massive national cross-posting.

I appreciate the need for inter-state discussion of politics.
Perhaps an  alt.nat.politics?
However, I think it detracts from a discussion of Oregon
issues when folks from across the country  are madly cross-posting 
to every state.

Am I missing something?
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From: robert@slipknot.rain.com (Robert Reed)
Newsgroups: or.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,ba.politics,co.politics,ne.politics,nj.politics,ny.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:21:40 GMT
Reply-To: robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed)
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.

In article <lTC=T5-@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
|
|They shouldn't, because corporations shouldn't be paying taxes in
|the first place.  Corporations don't pay taxes, people pay taxes.
|A corporate tax is a bad tax because it isn't easy to determine
|who is actually paying the tax.  It could be customers, in the form
|of higher prices, it could be workers, because of fewer job
|opportunities, it could be investors, in the form of lower dividends,
|or some combination.

Fine.  You figure out a way to prevent corporate trustees from shifting their
wealth to corporate assets (the limos, cars, boats, houses, etc.) of which they
are the direct beneficiaries, thus avoiding the tax on income that they would
otherwise need to purchase these luxuries, then at least I might begin to
consider the worth of your suggestion.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Reed			Home Animation Ltd.		503-656-8414
robert@slipknot.rain.com	5686 First Court, West Linn, OR 97068

I have two very rare photographs: 
one is a picture of Houdini locking his keys in his car; 
the other is a rare photograph of Norman Rockwell beating up a child.
--Steve Wright
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From: wandac@sequent.com (Wanda Chauncy)
Newsgroups: or.politics,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: More info on New 3rd Party in Oregon
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:42:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov5.224242.2369
Distribution: or
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.


                Correction to Previous Post

I've received a lot of e-mail asking for clarification.  The name of
the new third party in Oregon is the Independent Initiative Party
(IIP).  We get our name from the petition filed to put Ross on our
Oregon ballot.  It's my guess that all states will name Ross's
movement by the same vehicle that they used to get him on their
respective state's ballots.

Again, if you want to be active and participate in forming this new
third major party in Oregon you must change your voter registration
to the Independent Initiative Party.

It's been VERY educational overcoming all the roadblocks set forth by
the 2 institutional major parties to prevent us from being
recognized!!  Thanks for your interest and no matter what your party
affiliation please stay awake, aware and vocal!!!

For more information call:      Ralph Copeland 222-9471
                                R. Scott Keller 222-8248
                                Peggy Pearce 636-9291
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: robert@slipknot.rain.com (Robert Reed)
Subject: Re: A new tax system ... was Vote...
Reply-To: robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed)
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:23:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.054221.29501@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|In article <BxBor5.7HA@slipknot.rain.com> robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed) writes:
|>So, if I stick my money in a mattress, or give a dollar to the homeless man on
|>the corner, I'd have to pay a consumption tax on it?  
|
|You currently pay income tax on it. Since the proposal is to replace the
|income tax, there would be no change in this regard.

WAIT A MINUTE!  You're major point has been tax fairness.  You're one of the
people proposing consumption taxes as "fairer."  I'm not consuming with this
money, I'm saving it.  Where's the fairness in that?

|>Even if I stick it in a
|>bank, the bank reports interest over $400 and transactions over $10,000, but
|>I've never heard that they report account balances to the IRS...
|
|Actually, I believe they do. Alot [sic] of people get in trouble for
|unreported income (for sums well under $10,000). _Somehow_ the IRS is finding
|out about deposits...

Speculation, hyperbole, or just plain lies?
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Reed			Home Animation Ltd.		503-656-8414
robert@slipknot.rain.com	5686 First Court, West Linn, OR 97068

I've got an answering machine for my phone.  Now when I'm not home and 
someone calls me up they hear a recording of a busy signal.
--Steve Wright
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From: robert@slipknot.rain.com (Robert Reed)
Subject: Re: A new tax system ... was Vote...
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:48:18 GMT

<JTURNER.92Nov5105638@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> <1j==Zm=@engin.umich.edu>
Reply-To: robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed)
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.

In article <1j==Zm=@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
|There was a brief description of such a plan in the WSJ a couple
|of weeks ago.  Such a plan properly rewards saving and investment
|and still prevents the regressive nature of a simple consumption
|tax that most people would be against.

It might be more helpful if you would inform us non-regular readers of the Wall
Street Journal what the details of such a plan might be.  The IRS already finds
income verification a daunting task and discourages consultants so as to
minimize the number of individual 1099s they must crosscheck.  How would they
ever be able to verify each taxpayer's individual expenditures?  How many
people even keep such records?

No, the closest thing I've heard to a consumption tax is sales tax, either on
traditional consumer sales, or a value added (VAT) tax.  Neither of these are
structured to define a threshold, and the only way that one could be tacked on
(at least that I can see) would require the same sort of reporting described
above.  An added problem is that low income people would lose spending power to
the tax that they may eventually get refunded, but in the process would be
providing an interest free loan to the government.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Reed                     Home Animation Ltd.             503-656-8414
robert@slipknot.rain.com        5686 First Court, West Linn, OR 97068

Where are we going?
Planet 10!
When?
Real soon!
--Black Lectroid pep talk
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From: robert@slipknot.rain.com (Robert Reed)
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Reply-To: robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed)
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.005533.28857@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|>  You do not, no matter what you think, pay tax again on the money
|>  you earned....
|
|Sorry, but this isn't the case: After you pay the capitol gains tax,
|the money you made is considered income, and must be reported on your 1040
|and you must pay income tax on it. Take a look at the form: Line 13:
|"Income: Capitol [sic] gains or (loss) (attach Schedule D)" [where you
|must itemize your capitol [sic] gains] and Line 14: "Income: Capitol [sic]
|gain distributions not reported on line 13".

Please look a little further.  Line 14 says: "Capital gain distributions not
reported on line 13 (see page 17)."  Turning to page 17 we find:

  "If you received capital gain distributions (reported to you on Form
  1099-DIV or a substitute statement) but do not need Schedule D for other
  capital transactions, enter those distributions on line 14."

|These are added in to get your taxable income. At [sic] are there any related
|deductions.  On capitol gains, you are required to pay _both_ capitol gains
|_and_ income tax.

No, you report capital gains EITHER on line 13 (using schedule D) or line 14.
If you are below a threshold income, capital gains are treated as ordinary
income.  Above that threshold a %28 tax cap is placed on tax from income on
capital gains, whereas other income can have a marginal tax rate up to %31.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Reed			Home Animation Ltd.		503-656-8414
robert@slipknot.rain.com	5686 First Court, West Linn, OR 97068

I lost a button hole
--Steve Wright
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: or.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.elections,ba.politics,co.politics,ne.politics,nj.politics,ny.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:15:09 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov10.143036.2167@m5.harvard.edu> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.183308.14033@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

>>The interest on the debt benefits no one, rich or poor (and is more than
>>15%...)

>The interest on the debt benefits those who are wealthy enough to hold a
>sufficiently large amount of government bonds.  Those who can save enough
>tens of thousands of dollars in government bonds to exceed what they pay in
>taxes to pay that interest greatly benefit from that interest.  

DING!!!!  Another person who doesn't understand economics.

Frank, the US debt is auctioned off.  If it is really a good deal - if
the people holding it really benefited significantly - then the market
price of the bonds would go up and people would no longer be able to
buy them at a price which let them benefit significantly.

Yes, people with bonds get interest.  On the other hand, they have
their money in a relatively illiquid investment and they are exposed
to significant risk - if interest rates go up the value of their bond
will decrease.  

Note, by the way, that this means that as soon as anyone buys
government bonds it is in their interest to persuade the government to
stop borrowing any more money so that there will be fewer bonds
available and the ones in their greedy little hands are worth more.

In short, you don't know what you are talking about.


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From: robert@slipknot.rain.com (Robert Reed)
Subject: Re: A new tax system ... was Vote...
Reply-To: robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed)
Organization: Home Animation Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:11:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.060546.7374@EE.Stanford.EDU> budd@playfair.Stanford.EDU (David Budd) writes:
|Actually, there IS a state without a sales tax. New Hampshire. (unless
|of course it has passed one since I was an undergrad at Dartmouth.)

Actually, two states.  Oregon (still) has no sales tax.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Reed			Home Animation Ltd.		503-656-8414
robert@slipknot.rain.com	5686 First Court, West Linn, OR 97068

I went to a cafe that advertised breakfast anytime, so I ordered French
Toast during the Rennaisance.
--Steve Wright
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From: gwatts@hpcvia.CV.HP.COM (gary_watts)
Newsgroups: or.forsale
Subject: Lawn Edger--You need this!
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:09:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvia.43310019
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon

Black and Decker Lawn edger.  Used very little.  Excellent condition.
Paid $75.00 on sale. Sell for $45.00.

I work in Corvallis, but live in Tigard

Work phone (503)750-3130 (voice mail)
           (503)967-2585 (beeper)
	   (503)684-2546 (home)

Gary Watts
Hewlett-Packard
Corvallis, OR
From: jkrakover@sma2.rain.com (jonathan)
Newsgroups: or.forsale
Subject: Large Screen T.V. >>>>>>$300<<<<<<
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:58:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sma2.1992Nov6.195854.18300
Organization: Guns for Peace

Panasonic 44" Rear Projection T.V.

The green gun works fine
The blue gun comes in and out
The red gun is dim

I bought this T.V. last week with the intension of fixing it, but have time,
since I'm moving.  In the meanwhile, it makes for an EXCELLENT mono monitor
for my computer.

Excellent Stereo Sound
Nice Oak Frame
Remote Control
4 video inputs, 1 video output (all stereo)
4 years old, used only 2

If interested, call me at 503-666-8568
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: brunec@louie.ECE.ORST.EDU (Christopher Brune)
Newsgroups: or.forsale
Subject: ****** 1966 Mustang *******
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:21:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxJ80F.KFB
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering Dept, OSU


	For Sale:  1966 Mustang

	Has original 289 V8 engine with automatic transmission.
	Has air conditioning, power steering, interior center
	console.

	This is a classic "old" car that needs an attentive owner.
	The engine runs, but is in need of rebuild.  This car has
	spent all but 2 years of its life in Texas, thus is fairly
	rust free.

	Asking Price: $1000.
	Please call me for more info.
	Chris Brune:  eves. 753-7912 (Corvallis)
	email: brunec@ece.orst.edu

	
Newsgroups: or.forsale
From: shuju@morocco.tv.tek.com (Shu-Ju Wang)
Subject: TMax developer & System 4 dev. tank
Originator: shuju@morocco.tv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Distribution: pdx
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:17:17 GMT



  Paterson Super System 4 developing tank, not used much in the last 3 years, 
  comes with 2 reels for 35mm or 120 film -- free 

  Kodak TMax developer, bought it last week and used 2 oz before I remembered 
  that I wanted the RS -- $5.00?


Shu-Ju 

phone: 627-2321
email: shuju@morocco.tv.tek.com

Newsgroups: or.forsale
From: dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com (Diana Thompson)
Subject: Great Little CAr
Organization: Portland Public Schools, Portland Or.
Distribution: or
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:52:30 GMT

			Mazda GLC Hatchback

GLC Means "Great Little Car" and this one has been to me for 7 years,
but I fell for a new one, so I must part with this perfectly usable
little car.  This car can be your friend for many years - and it    
eat you out of home at 30mpg!  It holds all the camping gear for
a great trip and even knows the way to Maupin - by heart.  How 
could you go wrong for $2395?

			Diana - 699-5028


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Portland Public Schools				(usual disclaimer here)
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From: alexmi@soul.tv.tek.com (Alex Mitaru)
Newsgroups: or.forsale,tek.forsale
Subject: Nikon 4004 & Cannon 28mm lens forsale
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:38:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: tvnews.1992Nov11.233851.22651
Distribution: or
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Originator: alexmi@soul.tv.tek.com



  I have a Nikon 4004 for sale. This is an automatic camera (with a flash)
 that can be switched to all manual.
 It comes with the 50mm Nikon AF lens, a UV lens filter and a Nikon strap.
 The camera is 2.5 years old, in perfect condition, my wife wanted a 
 different format.
 Paid new $390 for the setup, sell it for $250 (have all original boxes
 and documentation).

 Original Cannon FD 28mm, 2.8 wide angle lens. Left over after they stoled
 my Cannon A1. Hardly used, it will probably fit many Cannon cameras.
 New, at mail order places, I've seent at $120-$140. Asking $60, OBO.

 Lawn mower. It worked last time I tried it. About 6 years old, nothing fancy,
 asking $35.

 Skill, 7 1/4 " circular saw. Works OK, $15.

 
 Alex Mitaru
 646-3978 home
 627-6094 work
Newsgroups: or.forsale
From: mikel@pdx165.intel.com (Mike Lee)
Subject: '90 & '91 Suzuki GSXR1100 FOR SALE !!!!!
Reply-To: mikel@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:28:01 GMT

Parting out 1990 and 1991 Blue & White GSXR-1100's.
Also have a 1987/8 GSXR 1100 rear wheel (black) and stock carbs.

1991 Bodywork in mint/A+ condition.
1990 Bodywork in B/B+ condition (small scratches, no roadrash).

Everything else is in excellent shape. The motors, wheels and front forks
have already been sold.  I still have frames, swingarms, shocks, most
wiring, brakes, peg assemblies, etc.  No reasonable offer refused on either
individual pieces or the whole collection; just let me know what you need.

Contact Mike @ 503-696-4945 W
	    or 503-690-2150 H

or reply via email: mikel@ichips.intel.com



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From: dbrock@darkwing.uoregon.edu (David P Brockington)
Newsgroups: or.forsale
Subject: Misc Stuff For Sale
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:44:03 GMT
Organization: The Opposition
Distribution: pnw
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu
Summary: Camera Stuff. Furniture.  Mac stuff.
Keywords: A Potpourri of Fun for the Whole Family


A bunch o' thangs for sale here:

Maple Dresser:  4 drawers.  16 inches deep, 30 inches wide, 41 inches
                tall.

                $40

Teak TV Stand:  broken: easy-fix.  19" deep, 33" wide, 19" tall.  One
                slide-out shelf.  

                $20

Big entertainment-center/bookshelf/thing:  3 cupboards, one of which is 
                booze storage compartment.  4 drawers.  Several book
                shelving areas.  6' tall, 18" deep, roughly 10' long.

                $40, unassembled.

SCUBA tank:     (comes complete with a FREE, yes FREE dive float sans flag.)
                Steel 62.  Needs VIP.  Last hydro test 5/88.  

                $10, assembled.

Bike Bags:      two, matching.  Roughly 1 cubic foot each.  "Nice."

                $30

CAMERA GEAR:

                Pentax-mount zoom lens.  80-200mm.  f 3.8/16.  Good shape.
                $100

                Hand held light meter.  $5

                Bland camera strap.  Free

		Vivitar PS:10 35mm "point and shoot."  With flash.  
		Shot maybe 2 rolls with it.  $25

MAC STUFF:

		300/1200/2400 Zoom modem.  Still under seven year 
		warranty; purchased in October 1989.  (When 2400
		was fast.)  $60

		Mac 512e, upgraded.  2M RAM, SCSI, etc.  Runs all
		the latest stuff, even if it is a bit slow.  
		System 7 compatible; but I also have systems
		back to the dark ages if you like.  New power supply
		as of early 1990.  Have receipts.  Seen little use
		since we got our IIsi back in early 1991.  $550

		Four 512K SIMMs.  Will work in a IIci, IIsi, and
		some of the newer machines.  (If you have a 2M si
		it will bump it up to 3M.  A ci at 5 can go to 6.)
		Never, and I mean never installed.  $35

email to dbrock@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: or.forsale,pdx.forsale
From: larkint@nosun.West.Sun.COM (Terry Larkin - SE Sun/Portland)
Subject: House for Sale in the Aloha Area
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Beaverton, Oregon.
Distribution: or pdx
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:10:03 GMT

Home For Sale: $112,899.

Two story Cape Cod style home.
1776 sq. ft.
4 BR, 2 Ba, updated kitchen
Living room with fireplace (has built in heatalator)
2 bonus rooms (1 with 3 phone lines and wired for 56kDDS) Just in case you need it.
Heat Pump (for all year round comfort!)
Park like setting
2 car garage w/ door opener
Storage shed on side of house.
Attic for additional storage

Walking distance to elementary and junior high schools. Good quiet neighborhood.

For more information call Terry or Patricia Larkin. 649-6929.
Voice mail at 626-5942.
From: dawnray@pdx188 (Dawnray Yeuna)
Newsgroups: or.forsale
Subject: 386SX system forsale
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:49:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ichips.1992Nov5.184904.28563
Distribution: or
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

386SX system forsale

80386SX 16 MHZ
4 meg RAM
65 meg harddisk 
512K SVGA controller card
VGA mono monitor
101 AT keyboard
mouse

Willing to part with $750 obo

e-mail or call 696-4774
dawnray@ichips.intel.com
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