From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: prophesies
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:22:25 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky) writes:
>>: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:

: 
: > Christianity seems to have been spawned out of anger. 
: > "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother and wife and
: > children and brethren and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be
: > my disciple" [Luke 13,v.26]
: 
: This is usually taken to mean Jesus should be =more important= than anyone
: else in your life.  Although that is what it says... maybe Christians
: should take this verse more seriously :-).


See? Even you can interpret and read into something anything you >want< to
hear or >want< to mean. But since conviniantly the original author is not
there you really don't know, now do you?




>>: Actually what's interesting about Jesus isn't his homosexuality, it's
: his =asexuality=.  It seems to me like he personally had no interest in
: sex whatsoever.<<

Ohhh? Then what about:

"For the time past of >our< life may suffice us to have wrought the will of
the Gentiles, when >we< walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine,
revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:"
[1 Peter,4 v.3]

Why was John the "divine"? ;-) Come, come now. If you are an idolatrer of
books, fine! But don't expect everyone else to be as well.
You can virtually take >any< text and find some "Hidden" esoteric meaning in
it. Take the newspaper and read the titles of the double features playing in
a movie house as if it were a sentence. Suddenly it's awsome! Magic words
written by the hand of some Typo God! "Candyman" "passanger 57" "Last of the
Mohicans"

What does this mean?? Wow! ......really. Words, are words. If there is no
one there to speak them then anyone can make them become whatever they want.

To be so idolatrous of a word is no different than fashioning an image that
at least is more comprehensible. Your mesiah had no women apostles.

The only difference, perhaps was that there were no grown up little neurotic
that sued him for molestation as it is now the fad to do to Catholic
priests. But if there had been, do you think the church would have allowed
that to be detected?....

In this life, there are certaion realities. You cannot ignore that you are
physical, and have emotions of many kinds. A dead carpenter is not going to
change that any more than a book of mythology from the time of Tiberius.

Was your mesiah gay? Most probably. It is easy for a person that's gay to
give the illusion to the straight of aesexuallity. The gay is not as
frustrated as some of the homophobic detractors.


>>: Is "Asshurbanipal", like, an obscure historical figure, Or What?<<

No, he was very famous for the library at Nineveh and being kind of Assyria
and relishing in his sanguine exploits of conquering cities. He >is< a
historical figure. And very prominent of the ancient world.


: 
: > Well, hell, if you want to "believe" that your
: > computer is "god" and that it has come into being so "save" your
: > soul....COOL! but don't expect everybody to buy that just because you said
: > it was so.
: 
: It is too so!  It's called Micro-Salvation!  Just touch those fingers
: to the keyboard and keep those eyes on the screen...  (Just kidding).<<

O neat! Does it read oracles?? Can it really tell me what I want to
know...!! ;-)


: 
>>: I didn't know there was an alt.christian.  If there is I don't get it at
: this site.  There is a soc.religion.christianity, and it is moderated --
: not only are the fanatics kept under control, but the moderator gets the
: last say on everything.<<

I stand corrected. You are right. I was having so much fun writing the post
that I overlooked the detail of alt. as soc.religion. since it would have
been futile to write to it anyway.;-)


>: > There is certainly no *need* for you to kill yourself. Life is an exciting,
: > scintillating experience. The only problem is that you have to "come out" of
: > your shell.  
: 
: That's absolutely right.  That's what Christianity's all about, because you
: get forgiven, and then you're free from the guilt that chains you up,
: right?<<

No. The examples of "martyrdom, a wreathing mutilated, crucified beaten
carpenter, neurotic saintly deifications" do not unchain you from guilt or
anything else. 
Prometheus >is< a good example of preserverance but not the austerity of the
"shakers" which in the end result in nihilsm.

The "Shakers" >were< Christians. So what is their posterity, a chair?


>>: You need to become free to be yourself.  I definitely agree with you
: there.<<

Good! But to love life you have to accept it as it is. You cannot shame the
creations of what you worship by perverting it to an imaginative ideology
that contradicts "nature" itself.

You do not "need" a book to tell you the wonders of the universe. You cannot
cop out at some one else's expense for salvation, you cannot be ruled by
frigidity in order to express or procreate.
You cannot expect to live this life preoccupied by the next or the colorful
imaginative last. God, if God exists in its perfection needs nothing and
desires nothing. Its sole occupation can be contemplation of the essance of
things, and since it is believed that God >is< the essance of things the
sole occupation of God is the contemplation of Itself! So "God" doesn't
>need< you no more than It needed to send any relative to do any work It
couldn't do.

It is a sorry God that has to pawn off on an offspring his dirty work! What
the hell do you think we have a brain for anyway??? 

To rationalize our existance as the consequence of anything or any one else
is blasphamous! It is an insult to divinity and an open accusation that we
believe to know better than it.
God does not need soldiers, nor preachers nor followers. If God exists, it
is sufficient to itself and if it is so "wise" then the best it can do is
to give us some sort of tool by which we can fare for ourselves. This we
have. It is called the brain.

Nature, like any god you would fashion is and must be by the nature which we
can recognize, "amoral" for it needs not any excuse to be. Perhaps it is
best understood by the philosophical statement: "I know, therefore I AM."

Cognizance IS the first reality and you do not need some one else to take
your responsibility for your sake. It doesn't work.
Philosophies, are fine. But tyhey are merely guide lines that an individual
has to learn how to adopt or refuse in order to adjust to a personal
philosophy which an individual will do anyway. To cram down an individual's
throat an impunity beacuse someone else did your dirty work is an insult to
one's intelligence!


>>: > If we were to meet, I could open doors that you never dreamt existed! And in
: > the end you'll look back only to see that the prophets and messiahs were no
: > more than a figment no less than a pillar of salt could define. ;-)
: 
: Hmmm... I'm curious what this could be about!  (Don't come back and
: tell us about any bad trips!!)<<

Are you really curious? Trust me ;-), there are certainly >no< bad trips
where this road leads as there is no need to turn back and feel guilt.
If you really know what you are doing, you can't have any regrets, and with
a measure of balance, you cannot overdose to expect a "bad trip".;-)



>>: > I doubt that! For you still have that gnawing desire within you...;-)
: > "To have a need, and to deny it is to create desire.....
: > To have desire and to supress it, it to create neurosis....."
: 
: Or perhaps it is =you= who has that gnawing desire within you...  What
: is it you desire?  What do you =really= want out of life?  (That's the
: Ultimate Question, isn't it?)<<


Does it really seem that I am frustrated?? Hmmmmn? I doubt that. Amused,
yes. What do I really want out of life? More! There is no secret. There is
no frustration. There is no problem. I am satisfied and indifferent enough
to accept change. And that change will always guarantee, more.


>>: > The blind cannot lead the blind, less they kill themselves in their own
: > stumbling... before you can hope to find so comfortable a companion, perhaps
: > it is you who should eat of that fruit of knowledge for in the days you eat
: > of that fruit, and its reality, you may be as godssssssss...
: 
: Oh, Eshin-Fun, I'm bowing before you... not!
: 
: Wayne.<<

Oh, Wayne, you don't have to assume indelicate postures. Just open your
eyes! yes.
For it is said that the fruit if sweet can offer a harvest of delights.

I throw this "apple" before you, and if you are sincere, take it, and follow
me but alas if you do not, keep the apple anyway....
And ponder how long its beauty lastsssssss.

>>: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
: > Anyone can delude themselves to believe anything they want.
: 
: Wayne's corrolary: believing something does =not= make it so.
: 
: Wayne<<

Ustea da Jakitea= an old basque proverb

"To believe is not to know"

Maybe there's hope for you afterall Wayne. 

Eshin-Fun
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA