From: larryd@milton.u.washington.edu (Larry Desoto)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Judge, Jury, Executioner In One Easy Step (Was: Why a sawed-off shotgun?)
Date: 12 Sep 92 06:26:59 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:

>In article: <ATAYLOR.92Sep8143748@gauss.nmsu.edu>
>someone comments regarding my Weaver-hostile remarks  (see enclosure
>below).

>1) I do know a US MArshal was slain.  What I have heard of the incident
>including transcripts of conversations btwn Weaver & supporters, inclines
>me to think it _was_ murder.  Perhaps I will be proven wrong.

>2)  Yes I do harbor large loads of vitriol for A) religious fanatics
>(this guy thinks Yahweh was healing Harris's wounds!) B) race supremists
> regardless of race C) religious fanatic race supremists
>DO I think they should be shot out of hand?  No, I was being hyperbolic
>here.  I do think it is sad when people teach hatred and intolerance
>based on race, or religion, or whatever.  It sickens me to see kids
>wearing white robes at KKK rallies, or giving a Nazi salute, or expressing
>hatred of racial or ethnic groups because they have learned this from
>their parents.

>What I was particularly reacting to is that so many people seem eager
>to support Weaver and condemn lawenforcement officials.  This is scary to
>me.  DO I really want to condemn Weaver without a trial? And of course
>I have no power to condemn him, or punish him.  Do I think he should be
>tried?

>Am I scared of people who think our government is ZOG?  Damn right.  We
>fought jerks like this in a war 50 years ago.  I hope we don't have to
>again.

I don't have any sympathy for Weaver's views but ask yourself a couple
of questions.  The first is this:  The feds are supposed to be pros.  How
is it they killed his wife with a head shot while she was standing in the
door holding a baby?  They are supposed to know just who they are killing.
Maybe it was an accident; if it had not been a head shot, I might be more
prone to believe that it was.  As it stands, I think they did it
intentionally as an act of revenge.

They were very careful to keep everyone away until Gritz showed up and
made it a high profile event.  It really looked to me like the feds were
not planning to let any of the adults walk away until Gritz showed up and
didn't give them a choice.  

The people we fought 50 years ago were those that thought because they
were the government, they could casually execute people who were incorrect
either racially or politically.  Do you really want our government to have
the power to do the same thing to groups *you* find repugnant?  What makes
this worse is that Weaver was quite likely set up initially because 
of his views.

People like Weaver are repugnant and probably dangerous to some extent.  
They are not nearly as dangerous as the attitude among government 
functionaries that they can eliminate *undesirables* by entrapment or
shooting them under color of law.  Couple this attitude with the
currently popular no-knock raids and civil forfeiture where *you* have
to prove innocence rather than the government prove guilt.  The emergence
of these attitudes are a lot more frightning than a loon sitting on a
mountain top in northern Idaho.

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Larry                                   |   Thunder makes all the noise;
                                        |   lightning gets the job done.
larryd@milton.washington.edu
I have my opinion; the university has its own.