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From: webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:12:28 GMT

		OK OK OK  OK OK OK OK OK

	I will admit that I was one of the people that voted for
the synth name change.  When I voted, I figured that it would be
best to keep all of the intstrumental gruops together.  Since we
"make" music with instruments... all sounded fine.  
	I realize that the passing of this Re-Nameing was by only
ONE vote....If I can.....

	I would like to change my vote from Y to N

I really hope that this might change something.  I really don't
like to see the NET in such a painful dilemma.

					Webb
PS. After all Im only a Bassist (My roomie is a Kbdist)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:38:52 GMT

dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>simple name change, then say so.  Even then, it probably won't do you much
>good because you should have said something when the THREE discussions were
>going on.

There now appears to be a consensus of evidence that implies that the
discussions WEREN'T posted to rec.music.synth.

>>2) The group name makes absolutely NO SENSE for the intended audience.
>I disagree.  It makes perfect sense.  This newsgroup is primarily
>frequented by people who create music using synthesizers.  

AND
	-people who design them,
	-people who write software for them.
	-music press
	-sysops

Not necessarily just musicians. 

>I don't see how you can say it's bogus.  All the Usenet guidelines were
>followed, and all five of the votes passed by the margins required, so if
>there were a lot of people who felt they were being inconvenienced, they
>must not have voted.

That is an assumption which you cannot verify. The usenet guidelines are
anything but perfect, and following them doesn't mean that you won't piss
a bunch of people off. 

>I personally think you're abusing your position as a news administrator to
>go against a net decision you don't oppose.  

On the contrary. I'm using my position to try and reach a net.consensus on
an unfair action sanctioned by the Guidelines. There is possible evidence
of NO votes which weren't counted, and discussions which WEREN'T posted
to rec.music.synth (which are reasons that are sanctioned by the guidelines). 

>you're only hurting your own users, and your childish tantrum won't
>accomplish much other than get a whole lot of people annoyed with you.

Gee...tell that to the number of people who have sent me e-mail in support.
I haven't had one flame by email yet.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Going to church does not make a person religious, nor does going to
school make a person educated, any more than going to a garage makes a
person a car.
From: stefan@ntg.com (Stefan Biskup)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: I Hate Soundgarden
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:24:58 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA


   Ya Know, I remember the first time "Louder Than Love"(the album not just
the song)Hit me.

I spent the next six monthes continually listening to that record and
devouring what was for me the rebirth of two guitar interplay in hard
rock.  I even went and put up with Danzig to see them play. I was
enthralled. They played long extended versions of the songs  the break in
"Big Ugly" where The two guitars buzz various chords over the top of each
other change pitch slightly in a big see of sound went on and on. I was
like Led Zepplin and Sonic Youth/ Television that's what I loved about
Soundgarden. Although it was a guitar oriented thing they didn't seem to
put stuff in that wasn't necessary (like the half hour bow solos that
killed Led Zep (attitude)) And what they did do was both delicate and
crushing (the key to what made zep the gods they were).  The most Important
Thing Is That It Didn't Sound RETRO. It was a "seemingly" honest creative
band using many influences yet coming out with a truely fresh statement
that didn't simply parrot like most bands do. They showed that the form was
still capable of being relevant. I feel this is an essential part of an
artist's purpose, and is only possible once the artist has truely come to
terms with his or her self. I was reassured.

But!!!!!!!! notice how after LTL they started touring with the likes of Danzig
Why!!!!!!!!!!!!! they could have done the smaller circuits a while longer
Now Chris hardley ever plays guitar and it has hurt them.
Their last record doesn't even sound like the same band.
WHAT A #@$%!ING BUNCH OF EGO MANIACS!!!!!!

I feel sad and betrayed. The have succumbed.


Comments?

 --Stefan
From: gompertz@sdd.hp.com (Ron Gompertz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: President Bill
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:43:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl90.sdd.hp.com
Keywords: Sax, drugs, rock-n-roll


It just occured to me that Bill Clinton won the election without 
providing the voters enough licks to adequately judge his chops. 

Has anyone heard the Gov blow? Could he quit his day job? Would
you invite him to solo on your demo? If so, what style?

Just wondering.

Ron.
gompertz@sdd.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:32:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.170920.25854@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>I guess people haven't heard of the idea of aliasing newsgroups.
>
>What *I* will probably do as news admin at our site is create
>the new group and alias the old one to point to the new one.
>Wow.  That sure sounds difficult and problematic, doesn't it?

Good for the transition period, but *please* remove the old group completely
when it's time has come.  That prevents people from posting to the old
group altogether.  Carrying around all old groups as aliases is far too
much baggage.

-- 
Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
"There's nothing quite like watching your most recent          |    /oo \
crush, and your second-most recent crush, rushing into         |    <>__|
each others' arms..."  --- Miss Almira Gulch                   |    |  U|
From: roose@dutiws.tudelft.nl (E.Roos Lindgreen.TI-tel-1670)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: TR 606
Keywords: beatbox, Roland, help
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:23:10 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands

Hi net, at the risk of boring an unprecedentedly large audience,
I have three minuscule questions. At our disposal is a small beatbox, 
label says Roland TR-606, features include a "titanium" plastic cover 
and a number of buttons and pots. The "M", from "RTFM", is missing.
Questions:

	What is a TR-606?
	How does it relate to the other Roland boxes (808, 909)?
	How can we use it?

Replies by e-mail; the wittiest reply will receive a souvenir from
Delft, and a summary of replies (if any) will be posted.

And here's the bonus question:

	What is a TB-303?

thanks, Edo Roos Lindgreen
Delft University of Technology
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: broe@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Frank Breier)
Subject: Synthesizer Archive
Organization: Communication Networks
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:45:11 GMT

Hi synthie-freaks,

I want to build up an archive of many synthesizer's technical data. Now, it
contains onlay a few synths, but in future this should grow. This archive is
available via gopher. If you have a gopher client, it is no problem, you only
have to type 'gopher balrog.dfv.rwth-aachen.de' and you will find the Archive
under 'services'. If you do not have any client, you have the possibility to
login into a public gopher client like 'gopher.micro.umn.edu' and look for
German infosystems (ComNets Gopher).
And now my problem:
  I do not have the time and not the info-material to put the data into it myself.
  And so I hope, you support this idea, 'cause you'll profit of it, and send me
  some technical descriptions (found in the appendix of your synth's manual)
  of your synths. Mail me these description (in a form of a table) to
  broe@dfv.rwth-aachen.edu
  
  If you have any questions, comments or problems, please let me know.
  
Thanks is advance,

   Frank
   
P.S: It could also be descriptions of samplers and Drum-modules.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: info on DRUMKAT NEW FOOT PEDALS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:23:42 GMT


ghost@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (.) writes:
>
>
>Hi, can someone gimme some info on Drum Kats' new foot pedals ?
>cost ? plug size ? specs? etc.....
>
>thank yous very much /.....

Ditto! :^)

-- 
== John J. Ladasky II ("ii") ========================= ladasky@netcom.COM ==
"Great composers do not borrow -	     "Talking about music is like
 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cmbecker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Canton Becker)
Subject: NEWS patch-sheet trading?
Keywords: patches,patch,interpatching
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:56:39 GMT

WHO is interested in posting patches, if it isn't already being done?  (If so,
please post *where* instead of flaming.)

I'd like to discuss the feasibility of this...  What a source for sounds; the
collective work of keyboard people on the Internet.  Questions:

(1) How to get STANDARDIZED patch templates developed... Are they already
made?  Maybe we can post prototype blank patch sheets, have them critiqued,
developed, agreed upon?

(2) Who wants to do this?  Are there a lot of DX people? ancient CZ'ers,
romantic JUNO's, newbie 01/Wers, mathmagical D-50ers...  Who's making the
sounds?

(3) Would there be too much "volume for this news group...  Would we have to
make rec.music.makers.synth.patches.D50 etc?

Private replies and postings encouraged...
Thankx for reading.
-Canton Becker
canton@nwu.edu
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:23:36 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov9.195400.11496@nmt.edu> dave@cyborg1.nmt.edu (Dave Cuddihy) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good technical reference for MIDI? i.e.
>	a decent book(that's not about software packages on the Mac but gives
>	info about the actual MIDI protocol!), or maybe an FTP-site with MIDI
>	info?

I remember an old (circa 1988) article in Dr. Dobb's Journal of
Software Tools about MIDI.  It explained the basics of the protocol
and had some simple programming examples.  I believe the article title
was "Roll your own MIDI sequencer" or something like that.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: Korg M3R, Roland A-Juno 2
From: ymatsumoto@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Sardana)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:25:21 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

FOR SALE:

Roland		Alpha Juno 2		Velocity and aftertouch sensitive
					MIDI synth.  61 keys.  
Korg		M3R			MIDI sound module.  most sounds on
					the M1, plus a piano sound card, plus
					the RE1 remote editor that actually
					manages to make programming the unit
					a joy.

For more details or offers please email me at ymatsumoto@eagle.wesleyan.edu.

-Yoshi Matsumoto
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From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: Ensoniq EPS 16+
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:19:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov12.191912.13678
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

For sale: An Ensoniq EPS 16+ with 2x memory.  Just over one year old but
          still like new.  Many, many extra sounds.  Asking $1550, you pay
          shipping.

I'm posting this for a friend.  If you are interested and have questions,
please direct them my way.
-- 
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Lewis & Clark College
Portland, OR
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: tfullert@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy D Fullerton)
Subject: Looking for good e-music grad schools.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:44:01 GMT



	Dear World;

	I am going to acquire my Bachelor's Degree in Music (yes, B.M.) 
imminently. I am interested in doing graduate work in electronic music. 
Before I just poke through the guides to colleges, I thought I'd probe 
the Internet group conscience for firsthand experience. 

	If you go to a university that has a fantastic electronic music 
department, please write me and let me know, and maybe tell me if 
anything about it is unique or special; I'd love to look into it. 
Conversely, if there is anyplace that looks good in the advertisements 
but sucks in real life, I would appreciate any warning.

	I used to live in Los Angeles briefly; I found it to be the most 
enriching musical environment of anyplace I had ever been. Therefore, my 
first choices right now would be USC or UCLA, knowing nothing about 
their electronic music departments. If anyone who goes there could tell 
me anything about what might exist in the vicinity of LA, again, I would 
be grateful.

	Tim
From: griestk@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Sarcastic Man)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Korg DDD-1 cards
Date: 10 Nov 1992 02:32:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Summary: Anyone have sources for DDD-1 goodies?

About 3 years ago, I bought a used KORG drum machine, and been satisfied
with it, only until now have I had a more serious use for it (a band) and
I'm looking it expand it with the sound cards that were available for it
when it was current equipment. The DDD-1 supposedly had a library of drum and
percussion sounds, and others such as samples from orchestra hits and the
like. 

There were also cards that were writable with rhythm and pattern info,
which are more convenient than hooking up the machine to a tape recorder.

Also, the DDD-1 has a panel in the back for an optional sampling unit. Mine
didn't come with the unit, and I'd like to find one to install so I can
sample the real world.

I would like to contact anyone who has a source for of these sound cards,
memory cards, or the sampling board, or anyone who would like to sell them. 
Post publicly or e-mail is fine...

--
                 Ken "I can't believe you *did* that" Griest
             griestk@wpi.WPI.EDU - The Mecca of Humanities Courses
     "My favorite weapon is the look in your eyes - you ran out of lies"
          cooper says: Sorry I considered killing you yesterday...
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: dehaan@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason A. DeHaan)
Subject: Roland D-5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:28:35 GMT

Does anybody know what the Roland D-5 goes for these days?  (New and/or used)
How about the D-10?  Are they still in production?  Any info would be 
appreciated.  Thanks much.
-- 
Jason DeHaan -- saan@uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: SH-101 resonance noise
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:12:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.224718.20541@sal.wisc.edu> rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
>
>Hmmmmm. Well, I'm no electronics guru but I have a reasonable track record
>with fixing things. You are probably right in suggesting that it's not the 
>slider. Nonetheless, clean it first, it could fix the problem and
>is a real easy thing to try. 
>
>Another guess of mine is that if the filter chip is functioning at all, it's
>probably healthy overall.
>
>A test: turn the output volume way down. Does the problem go away? If so,
>look at the output amp stage. Maybe a bum capacitor. Is the problem present
>in both the headphone out and line out? another way to narrow it down.

	Yes.  I should have mentioned in my original post that I don't notice
it if the volume is turned way down, and if it's turned all the way up, it's
_very_ bad.  And yes, the problem does seem to be in both outputs.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: harrison@src.dec.com (Stephen Harrison)
Subject: Sweetwater Sound is OK
Reply-To: harrison@src.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Systems Research Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 03:03:37 GMT



Folks,

I've had some refreshingly good experience with Sweetwater Sound, so I thought
I'd share it with the rest of you.

They quote good prices over the phone, are prompt shippers, and hide candy in
the packing material.  I bought Opcode Max for $275, and E-mu Procussion for
$548---the local dealers would not go below $595.

Call Dave on (219) 432-8176, and tell him I sent you.  I have no connection
with Sweetwater except being a satisfied customer.

Cheers,

/Stephen

--
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Systems Research Center       | 
Digital Equipment Corporation | work +1 (415) 853-2140
130 Lytton Avenue             | fax  +1 (415) 853-2104
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Subject: which midi to buy
Reply-To: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:08:03 GMT

 I am looking for a midi board for my old 286 (only 640K ram) and some software that will let me do sequencing.  I have an akai PG-3 digital piano and would like to be able to have a quartet or quintet playing.

Nothing too fancy.  Any help/ suggestions would be appreciated.  Send  me a UNIX mail message or just post responses.

thanx

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: was28667@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (palamino)
Subject: need MIDI info for Roland D-50
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:48:06 GMT



Hi, ya'll - got a quick question here about my D-50.

I've been using Finale software for a while to encode original material
but I haven't figured out how to play it back to MULTIPLE patches using
my D-50.  Do I need a sequencer to send one channel to a bass patch,    
another to a horns patch, another to strings, etc.?

So far the Roland text that came with the keyboard isn't much help...


-palamino

-- 

					 my .sig is in the shop for repairs. 
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.synth:7 rec.music.makers.percussion:4 rec.music.synth:18145
From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.makers.percussion,rec.music.synth
Subject: Drum machine\module wanted
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:42:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Nov9.214248.8570
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello,
   I am interested in buying a drum machine\module if anyone is selling.  I
want MIDI capability, but will look at non-MIDI eqipment if it is just downright
strange and has some trigger inputs that function nicely.  Thanks...

Robert Williams
From: trs@doc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas R Stiemerling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: CM-32L questions
Date: 10 Nov 1992 12:51:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

Hi, I am looking for more information on how to use/patch/etc my new
CM-32L.  Specifically the documentation you get shows you all the
parameters, but it is not specific on what parameters to change, what
happens when you do, how to get different effects, etc. Are there any
books or articles out there that describe this. Also are there any
editors that run on an ST and work with the CM-32L. The shop blurb
says that it was based on the D50/D110 (?). Can you use D110 patches on
it?

Please reply via email, Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Mac as a drum machine?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:07:24 GMT

In article <2B01A438.9027@news.service.uci.edu>
dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
 
>In article <BxIzyz.n0J@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:
>>That is one sreamin' CD.  I have not touched my R5 since I got that CD.
>>Put it thru an effects device and into you computer or sampler, and away
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>you go!!!
>>
>>Who would want a non-midi TR808 when you can just use this CD!!!!!!!
>
>        Someone who wanted more than three adjustments of the snare or kick
>parameters.  Say, someone doing techno.
 
I do techno. Routing drums through effects is another way to customize
drum sounds to your taste, not to mention manipulating them with your
sampler. In fact, I'd reccomend effects for anyone who wants to sound
different from the norm. And yes, a good kind of different. ;-)
 
--Eric
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard