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From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi Menon)
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Keywords: gate
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date:  8 Apr 92 19:39:02 GMT

saavik@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (PMH) writes:

>It's a white gate with plastic cris-cross mesh with openings about 
>2 sq.in. on a diagonal.  It stays in place very nicely with tension
>bars at the top and bottom.  You have to turn them to tighten against
>your door jam.  It doesn't take much time to tighten or loosen.

>Crude picture alert!
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we also have one of these for the dogs.  it works well for its barrier
purposes, but it leaves marks on the walls that require paint jobs
to repair.  so unless you don't mind marred walls.....

Deantha

standard disclaimers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Re: Both parents home (was Re: At what age is day care appropriate?)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:13:43 GMT

In article <STB.92Apr10141848@sbodoff.hpl.hp.com> stb@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Stephanie Bodoff) writes:
I write:
>   Because I said that if you aren't willing to sacrifice 7% of your lifetime
>   to the rearing of a child you should rethink whether or not you should have
>   children, someone suggested that I should also rethink having children since
>   I have stated that I find my job satisfying and Ron is "chomping at the bit"
>   to go back to work.  What you fail to realize is that many people who do
>   not have children read this newsgroup.  They often post asking questions like,
>   "How do you know if you should have children."  This rethink was targeted at
>   that audience.
>
Stephanie writes:
>In point of fact my post was directed precisely at those people thinking
>about having children. I used your particular situation because I think it
>casts some considerable suspicion on your criteria. Whatever philosophical
>or moral arguments you care to marshall in favor of only parents looking
>children, I believe that it is not in children's best interest to be cared
>for by people who don't really want or like the job of full-time childcare.
>

Let me get this straight.  Because Ron is "chomping at the bit" to get back
to work indicates that he doesn't like the job of full-time childcare?  By
what form of logic do you draw that conclusion?  I am chomping at the bit to
write my second screenplay and my grandmother's biography and finish 
illustrating my children's book.  Does that mean I don't like coming home to
my family after work?

This entire week I have felt like just quitting.  It's been a bad week.  My
boss gave an insulting "pep talk", my partner is stone walling and doing
less than his share of the project, I HATE this task.  Last month, Ron had
a bad month.  Erin broke the telephone, Mitchell was in a highly disobedient
frame of mind, and the dog had fleas.  

I don't know about the planet you live on (excuse the sarcasm, or don't), but
here on earth, life isn't ideal.  So, please don't draw conclusions about my
satisfaction or lack thereof with my life based on a little kvetching.  If
you know where life IS ideal and there are not terrible, horrible, no good,
very bad days, let me know.  Perhaps you live in Australia ;-)


-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:10:43 GMT
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:

> I didn't see the original post and I don't know how to
> put the text of the message in when I am not posting to
> an individual, but here goes anyway...
>  
> This is a response to "We have two, should we go for three?"
>  
> We had 2 and decided to go for three and now we have four:
>  
>     2 girls ages 8 1/2 and 6
>     2 boys ages 3.

that happenned to us as well...we had two boys and decided to
try once more for a girl.
I did have a girl that time....and a boy as well...:-)

Karen
From: doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Swearing (was Re: Cute things they say (2.25
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:45:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: titan.1992Apr8.104515.2491
 <1992Mar5.114117.88250@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> <65007@apple.Apple.COM>
Organization: NASA - Kennedy Space Center

In article <65007@apple.Apple.COM> vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss) writes:
>
>I made the terrible mistake of telling the "Barbie, Ken and G.I. Joe"
>joke in front of my five-year-old.

Okay, I give.  What's the "Barbie, Ken, and GI Joe" joke?  I want to tell my
3 yr-old, that is, as soon as she memorizes the limerick about the "man from
nantucket"...


Doug










:-) (for the humor-impaired)
From: scottb@col.hp.com (Scott Brunton)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:57:37 GMT
Subject: "Whole Language" teaching concept
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Newsgroups: misc.kids

	Has anyone had any experiences or encounters with the teaching
concept known as "whole language?"  I'm going to be attending a short
course on the subject and would be interested in the opinions of others.

	The two textbooks for the course (sorry, no publisher and dates) are:

	Towards a Reading/Writing Classroom
		by A.Butler and J.Turnbill

	Basal Readers
		by B.Swaby
From: cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: bowling while pregnant?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:29:43 GMT
Reply-To: cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.kids, rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
>Have any of you bowled while pregnant and if so for how far into
>your pregnancy (I'm currently 16 weeks). My OB said not to lift
>anything over 25 lbs not because I would hurt my pregnancy but may
>hurt myself.  My bowling ball is 10-12 lbs and my husband thinks I
>shouldn't bowl since I may get hurt swinging the ball.  I'm obviously
>going to ask my OB about it but wanted to hear from the netters also.
>

I bowled while pregnant and planned to bowl just about the entire pregnancy
(my OB said basically I could keep doing activities I had done before
getting pregnant unless I developed problems).  I didn't  have any problems
so I kept on until I was almost seven months.  Then, one night there
was apparently a sticky spot on the lane just where I slid on my left
foot.  So instead of sliding, I tripped and THEN slid.  My momentum
carried me right across the foul line where I came to a complete halt.
I just lay there, foul light and buzzer going off and I COULDN'T GET
UP.  I was just like a beached whale.  People all up and down the 40
lanes stared and pointed.

As my teammates hoisted me up, the guy from the bowling alley front desk
zoomed over (visions of lawsuits flashing through his brain), got me
settled in a room not in use, got me a phone to call my doctor and for
the only time in memory actually showed concern for a patron.  My baby
was fine, I was fine (but I DID quit bowling).  I actually bowled pretty
well (for me) while I was pregnant probably because I had to concentrate more
on my form.  My doctor did tell me that by seven months that kind of
fall was less likely to cause a miscarriage than if it had happened
a lot earlier in the pregnancy.

Kathy
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From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: welfare (was: Minors right of access to contraceptives?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:20:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sidneINNt0a
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

abel@vax.sonoma.edu (dan abel) writes:
>Over 90% of the local public school budget is ADA (average daily 
>attendance).  Only 3% is lottery money.  The rest is special money 
>for transportation, gifted, reading, etc.  This means that most of 
>the budget is completely based on how many students attend how many 
>days of school.  By state law, the yearly ADA per student may not 
>vary more than $100 between the poorest and richest districts.  My 
>wife was on the district budget committee which recommended a budget 
>for the last two years, so these numbers are accurate, if just for 
>this district.  I'm curious as to where you got your information.

I don't have the details at my fingertips, but the state law you're talking
about, if I'm not mistaken, is a recent response to a lawsuit brought a few
years back by some parents in poor school districts.  Since the lawsuit the
gap between rich and poor districts has narrowed, but I don't believe that
it's as narrow as you suggest.  I've visited high schools in Palo Alto
(rich) and Oakland (relatively poor) and believe me the schools are quite
different.  Not to mention the schools in Richmond (bankrupt).

Nationally the school expenses per student vary by a factor of 10 or so
between the richest and the poorest districts.  I would guess that
internationally the spread is even greater.

Also, although I'm not an expert on school economics, I would guess that a
fairly small percent difference can make a dramatic change in the quality
of education, because schools have so many large fixed costs.  A lot of
that ADA money goes into building maintenance.  Most of the rest goes into
teacher salaries.  Certainly the teachers affect learning, but the point is
that the money difference between 24 kids/class and 28 kids/class isn't a
large percentage of the money, but it makes a huge difference to the style
of teaching and learning.  The amount of money spent on extras, like
computers for example, is only a small fraction of the whole, but it has a
big impact.
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Ivy (was Re: Walla...(was Re: Worm song?))
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:05:13 GMT
Reply-To: staffan@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Apr10.144058.4763@u.washington.edu> lcheap@milton.u.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.211856.18700@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
>>
>>Mares eat oats and does eat oats
>>and little lambs eat ivy
>
>(and to continue . . .)
>
>A kid'll eat ivy too
>wouldn't you?

I took alt.folklore.urban off the distribution for this follow-up, just to
comment to the misc.kids readers (if in fact any are following this thread).

Isn't English Ivy toxic?

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: robin@aus.intel.com (robin rosenbaum)
Subject: Another baby teeth question
Keywords: 6 year old
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:07:08 GMT

My son is past 6.5, just had a dental checkup.  The dentist seemed to find
it worthy of mention that the baby teeth show no sign of loosening.  He
(dentist) wasn't *worried* but said we might ought to keep an eye on the
teeth development.

The baby teeth came *in* right on schedule.  There just doesn't seem to be
any pressure for them to come out.  The teeth are otherwise healthy--no new
cavities, no evident deformities or weaknesses.

Anyone else experience late appearance of adult teeth?  Any potential 
problems we should watch out for?  Is this *really* late to still have all
his baby teeth?

Robin Hilp
From: dcs@witsend.sci.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Premature Twins (was both!)
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:25:41 GMT
Organization: Absolutely nobody but me

The "Twins" thread meets "Premature Babies":

EIght+ years ago our twin boys were born at 4#11 and 4#15.  After
the first few months, the smaller twin thrived and grew (so it
seems) much larger than his clone.  You can tell just by *looking*
at them; Ryan is skinnier (but no taller) than Alaric.  Pick them
up and it's obvious; Alaric *feels* ten pounds heavier.

So, last week, we had them at the organic mechanic's for a tune-up.
Put on the scales, guess what?  Ryan: 61#12, Alaric 61#8.  Note
the differences between them across eight years of explosive growth.

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                 dcs@witsend.sci.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
From: rollo@xerxes.Xylogics.COM (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth announcement!
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: rollo@Xylogics.COM (Dena Rollo)
Organization: Xylogics, Inc., Burlington MA

Well, here it is (sorry it took so long - my PC died, so I
had to wait till I was back at work to post this):

   Isabel Donahue Rollo
   January 23, 1992
   7 lb., 9 oz./ 20 inches

And perfectly healthy !!!!!! (For those of you who've
forgotten, or who are new to this group, Isabel has
a pair of translocated chromosomes, discovered through
amniocentisis, and had an increased risk of clinical
problems)

Thanks to all of you who sent encouragement and support
through the pregnancy - you can't imagine what it meant.

Now that it's over, I don't know how we got through the
last 4 months!!

Anyway, she's here, she's gorgeous and perfect and
etc etc etc.

   

What's amazing is misc.kids - wouldn't you know I'd get back
to a daycare discussion, just when I need it most: it's Isabel's
second day in infant care (Boston area, $200 per week infant in
private day-care center).

And why doesn't anybody talk about how *miserable* the first
six weeks are, even when you're ecstatic about the baby, and
how just when you're getting all used to it and have readjusted
expectations of motherhood, you have to go back to work (which
I would have done happily 2 months ago, but which is harder now
that we got into a nice rhythm). It's good to be back at work,
and nice to have some time away from the baby, but I probably
would have chosen to be home (or have her father be home) for 
the first year, if it had been at all possible, and then put her
in daycare, even if we didn't have to, because I think daycare is
great for kids once they're a bit older, but not optimal for        
infants.  But, lest I be misinterpreted, I'd like there to
be good choices: paid leaves for either parent for up to a year;
decent, affordable daycare for infants on up, etc. The US is
way far behind in this area, and we're all paying.

And that's all, folks. Glad to be back.

PS - anybody going through diagnostic prenatal testing, or
anticipating problems, etc., please feel free to contact me-
it's an unbelievably difficult and isolating ext
experience, I know.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rjs@a.cs.okstate.edu (STOLFA ROLAND JOSE)
Subject: Potty Training Book Request
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 03:02:07 GMT

My wife and I are looking for a good book to help our daughter through
potty training.  We have seen "Once Upon a Potty" (too much dependance
on the 'mothers' role, none on the 'dads'), and were wondering if there
were any other books of this type.  All replys should be directed
to my email address below.  Thanks in advance,

Roland Stolfa				Internet:	rjs@a.cs.okstate.edu
Computer Science Department		Disclaimer:	You've lost your mind
219 Math Sciences Building				if you think anyone
Oklahoma State University				speaks for this place!
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Theory (was: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty)
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:02:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpsmtc1.28620171
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino


I want to respond to the post by writer2@auroch.HQ.Ileaf.COM (RDM Doc
Contractor [Marjorie Peskin]).

First Marjorie critisized Eric Green.  I fully concur with her opinion.
Having spent 5 years trying to have a biological child, I sympathize
and support the original poster's desire.  Eric showed great
insensitivity to her feelings.  I posted on this directly earlier.

Second Marjorie said some things about adoption.  In this I feel she
has GROSSLY MIS-REPRESENTED the situation.  I do not know Massacucetts
but another poster (Ephraim) commented directly on that.  I DO have
experience in California, however, and things really are much better
that indicated by Marjorie.  I want to support Ephraim's point.

We spent no more than $10,000 total, and most of that was after-the-fact
payment for real expenses incurred (not a "fee").  We spent no more than
3 months (we were lucky and usually it is a bit longer).  We got a 2-day-
old infant, straight from the hospital.  She has never known other parents.
We did have a 6-month wait before the adoption became final, during which
time we COULD have lost our daughter.  However, we started the process
knowing clearly what this risk was.  We are in close friendship with at
least 2 other families who have adopted and their experience was similar
to ours.

Each state and situation is different.  However, adoption CAN be very good.
As a parent, it felt really "right" to start out with a new-born and to
learn together.  This is what happens with biological birth.  It can
also happen with adoption.  If you think adoption might be a desirable
solution for you, investigate the available resources in your state.  Each
state is different.  If you find that you do not like what you find, see
if there are other options.  Keep pushing until you find the situation that
feels good to you.  We are lucky in California, with the private adoption
laws.

Karla Perdue                 The opinions expressed are strictly my
Mountain View, CA            own and not those of Hewlett-Packard.
From: gryder@Data-IO.COM (Gerald Ryder)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say (3 YO)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:30:38 GMT
Organization: Data I/O Corporation



The other day I was talking to one of my twin 3 year old sons. We were
at the beach. He stopped and picked up a seashell. He asked me what it
was. I explained to him that it used to be the home of a small animal.
I further explained that the animal had gotten to big for it's home
and had to move to a bigger one. He looked at me as if he fully
understood everything and said......... "OOOOh, we can get some new 
batteries daddy?"
From: sgilley@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:28:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio

Ok, I give up.  Just what exactly is the LLL?  I had thought from the
name that it is/was a support group for breast-feeding mothers (and
families, perhaps).  But now I'm to understand it's also a group that
doesn't believe in eating refined carbohydrates?  What else is it?

My wife and I had planned to get in touch with them a little later
on in our pregnancy about breast feeding, so any info you can give
would be helpful..

Sean.

---
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614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)
Love changes everything, days seem longer, words mean more..
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 20:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.190818.7838@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>
>I try to stay out of this discussion, really I do, but come on.  Speaking of
>basis, what is the basis for the assumption that the "Mother's at home feeling
>of security" contributes to a lifetime of self-confidence and happiness?
>If I was going to go strictly by impression, I would say that the daycare
>kids are starting out with more self-confidence (and actually, didn't someone
>earlier refer to an article that confirmed this in school entry-aged
>children?), and that self-confident children tend to be happy children.
>(seems to go for adults, too...)
>

I find it interesting that  while the study I reprinted was attacked for being
biased, unscientific, etc., because it said that children in daycare suffered,
the study by the SAME biased, unscientific gentleman which stated that daycare
chidlren were more self-confident is bandied about so readily as proof of
the value of daycare.  (Belsky's study was the most famous and most often
recited study about the benefits of day care and the self-confidence of
these children - yet his latest study refuted these assumptions saying they
were based on the highest quality, not average, daycare).



-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
From: i001703@disc.dla.mil (ann schrage)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:2 year old stuttering
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:21:32 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa

Don't worry about it. At that age their vocabulary doesn't always keep up
with their thoughts and ideas. It's something they outgrow usually. 
ann schrage
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From: chryss@ravel.udel.edu (Christina M Hamilton)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:33:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.parents-teens,alt.kids-talk
Organization: University of Delaware




Yes, AIDS is not a problem in schools YET, so shouldn't we prevent it
from being one?

Abstinence is a good approach, but realistically it is not taught often
enough, and is practiced even less frequently.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amy Slankard)
Subject: Re: How long are kids' memories?
Keywords: not a flame, no agenda, no moral high ground, not crossposted
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:39:54 GMT

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

>Needless to say, I was impressed.  The question is, though, if they can
>remember that stuff, why can't they remember to put their underwear in
>the dirty clothes hamper ;-)

My husband is almost 30 and he still can't remember to do this, even after
our daughter (when she was about 12-18 months) took up the habit of wearing
his underware as a hat whenever she found them lying about.

On the subject but not really related to kids:

At a dinner party my husband and I attended, there was a young and in love 
and still dating couple.  Every weekend he would drive almost 200 mile to
see her.  Everyone there said it was so romantic.  I, the old married
person, responded: No, that's not romantic, picking up his dirty under-
ware off the floor for the gbillionth time and putting it in the 
hamper instead of using it to strangle him is romantic (or at least
demostrates a strong love).   :-)



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:40:17 GMT

I didn't see the original post and I don't know how to
put the text of the message in when I am not posting to
an individual, but here goes anyway...
 
This is a response to "We have two, should we go for three?"
 
We had 2 and decided to go for three and now we have four:
 
    2 girls ages 8 1/2 and 6
    2 boys ages 3.
 
And it's true - having one child away/asleep makes life much
easier.  And if ONE child is up extra late in the evening it's
FUN.
 
Just had to add my two cents worth,
Teresa