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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: 1991 Awards recipients
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:32:14 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

APPLE II ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS PRESENTED

The 1991 Apple II Achievement Awards, sponsored by Resource Central and
 A+/inCider Magazine with cooperation from Apple Computer, Inc., were
presented Friday, April 3rd, in a national online conference on America
Online, winner of the 1990 Achievement Award for Best Online Service.

A prestigious panel of Apple II industry watchers, including
representatives from A+/inCider, A2-Central, Apple Computer, America
Online, CompuServe, GEnie, GS Plus Magazine and Nibble, recently nominated
awards in a number of categories designed to recognize excellence in
products for the Apple II family of computers during the period from
November 1, 1990 through the present.  Those products recognized as the
best by the panel were nominated for Awards.  A panel of over 100 Apple II
community members was entrusted with selecting the best of the best during
balloting between March 3rd and March 27th, 1992.  Those selected recieve
the 1991 Apple II Achievement Award, a lead crystal disk engraved with
"1991 Apple II Excellence" and an Apple logo on a crystal base.

The complete list of Apple II Achievement Award categories and recipients
is as follows:

Best Freeware or Shareware:   ShrinkIt for the Apple IIgs (Andy Nicholas).
Best Educational Software:    HyperStudio 3.1 (Roger Wagner Publishing).
Best 8-bit Application:       ProTERM 3.0 (InSync Software).  
Best 16-bit Application:      HyperCard IIgs (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Best Innovation:              Pointless (Westcode Software).
Best Multimedia Achievement:  HyperStudio 3.1 (Roger Wagner Publishing).
Best Utility:                 Prosel 16 (Glen Bredon)
Oustanding Developer Aid:     GSBug v1.6 (Apple Computer, Inc.). 
Best Apple II Periodical:     A2-Central (Resource Central, Inc.).  
Best Online Service:  TIE:    America Online (America Online, Inc.)
                              GEnie (General Electric/Resource Central)
Software of the Year:         Apple IIgs System Software 6.0
                              (Apple Computer, Inc.).

Apple II Individual Recognition (for service of distinction to the Apple II
community):  Alan Bird and Tom Weishaar.

Apple II Individual Achievement (for making the most positive impact for
Apple II computer owners during the awards period):  Andy Nicholas.

Apple II Group Achievement (for making the most positive impact for Apple II
computer owners during the awards period):  Apple II System Software team.

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical  | The opinions expressed herein are
Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: gotzel@triton.unm.edu (Paul Gotzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6.0 problem...
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:02:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.ykzj#_r
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Hello,

	I haven't had time to keep up on all the System 6.0 postings, so if
this is duplication, please forgive :).

	Ok, I got my 6.0 off of ftp.apple.com and I have an AE 3.5.  The 
problem seems to be that sometimes, the drive will try to read when I manually
eject the disk.  The drive sits there trying to read and ejects my disk.  So,
I put my disk back in and it stops reading.

	I found that the solution to this was to have the disk that I was 
ejecting unselected.  This is a little annoying, for I think it should unselect
itself if the disk is ejected.  Is this a feature, bug, or virus?  Or what? 
Anyone else know what I am talking about or having same the problem?  Is it 
because I have an AE instead of an Apple drive?

							Thanks,
							Paul
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 17:24:53 EST
From: <CTCOLE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject:    NTSC-->AppleColor RGB?

Is it possible to get or build a converter that will allow me to view
an NTSC signal on my IIGS's monitor?  If so, how?


Thanks,
Christopher Cole

ctcole@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
mac@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
ctcole@mtu.edu
From: jguy@pro-finders.cts.com (Jerry Guy (sysop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Problems with SCSI HD and Apple HS SCSI card
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-find.d729026
Organization: [Pro-finders], Guy's Computer Services, New Bern, NC 919/638-5973

Doug,

    I have a Maxtor LXT-100 and an Apple HS SCSI with some of t he
problems you mentioned. Under Prodos 8 1.9 I could use the first 2
partitions fine but under GS/OS 5.0.4 the drive would not be recognized.
When I installed GS/OS 6.0 I was able to boot some of the time and the
drive was recognized but sometimes I would crash.  Well all is well now
that I have disabled the DMA on the SCSI card. Try moving the DMA dip
switch to the OPEN position. It is switch number 1. 

Jerry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: delaneyg@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: GScii+
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:20:35 GMT

Derek 2.3.1 is on tybalt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: "Apples for the Students"
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:41:42 GMT

In article <m0lYx91-0001EZC@crash.cts.com> kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan) writes:
>
>I just thought you might like to know that his name is AKEEM. You misspelled
>his last name too, but I'm not gonna rub it in.

Actually, the name was spelled correctly, not that this has anything
to do with the Apple II.
-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Galen Tatsuo Komatsu)
Subject: Re: Lisa & ANIX?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.153225.864@cs.brown.edu> drb@cs.brown.edu (Dan Bornstein) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.105833.16558@news.Hawaii.Edu>, gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Galen Tatsuo Komatsu) writes:
>>The file is a ~130k .SHK file, do I need a hard drive or a 3.5" to use
>>this? (whatever it is...)
>No hard drive necessary. I used it on an Apple ][ (not ][+, not //e, etc.
>etc.) with just 2 5.25" drives. Runs under DOS 3.3 unless it was updated
>since I got it.

	well......., I downloaded it, tried to unshrinkit, and came
6 files short of unshrinking the ANIX.SHK file to a 5.25" floppy (one
side)   Or am I supposed to run one of those other two non-documentation
files with the ANIX files in the ftp archive?

Galen Komatsu
gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cooperah@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony H Cooper)
Subject: IIGS System --> FOR SALE
Reply-To: cooperah@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony H Cooper)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:12:37 GMT


I have the following IIGS system for sale..

	Apple IIGS CPU ROM O1, Keyboard, and Mouse
	Apple RGB Monitor
	Apple 3.5" Drive
	Apple 5.25" Drive
	Apple 1 Meg Memory Card
	Apple 5 Meg HardDrive
	Applied Engineering 1.50 Meg Memory Card (total sytem 2.75)
	Applied Engineering RamKeeper
	  (Allows use of both memory cards and the use of a ROM disk)
	Applied Engineering Datalink 1200 modem
	Applied Engineering Sonic Blaster
	ThunderScan GS
	Generic I/O Board
Misc Software I have collected over the last few years.

I would like to get $1400.00, but I will take a look at any offers.

--
***********************************************************************
Tony Cooper cooperah@hydra.rose-hulman.edu or @nextwork.rose-hulman.edu  
***********************************************************************
From: unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (99E99)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RawToRes 1.0 is on comp.binaries.apple2
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


        This program runs under a shell such as Orca or GNO, and converts
raw data sound files into rSoundSample files..  These files are for use
with the System 6 Sound CDEV, and Hypercard GS, for two major examples.

        Documentation is included.

	I will e-mail the program to anyone who does not have access to
comp.binaries.apple2 (people who get this feed through info-apple, for
example). Just mail me a request, and I'll send it off to you.
-- 
/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu GS SIMM mem card & trackball WANTED  Apple II Forever!\
\Mail me:Get INFOCOM GAMES RERELEASED,ULT VI GS done,for UNIX GS&CHEAP CD info/
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: A2.RAM driver.. PUT IT IN THE FAQ dammit (was:Re: System 6)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:18:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32379
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <egRwiB2w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:
}Speaking of drivers, does anyone know whether the new A2.RAM driver will 
}speed up /RAM5 access with a non-Apple (but still DMA) card? Like, say, the 
}CV-Tech card? What if I bought a cheap 1 Meg Apple card and plugged it into 
}the piggyback slot? Enquiring minds, etc...

	The A2.RAMCARD driver is _NOT_ a /ram5 driver.  It is a driver for
the old 8 bit memory cards that fit into a standard slot.. The "slinky"
cards, in other words.
-- 
/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu GS SIMM mem card & trackball WANTED  Apple II Forever!\
\Mail me:Get INFOCOM GAMES RERELEASED,ULT VI GS done,for UNIX GS&CHEAP CD info/
From: tim.c@pro-freedom.cts.com (Tim Craven)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: //gs Word Processor?
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:33:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Apr9.233301.8776
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

I have heard that Graphic Writer III is a good GS type word processor.
Also Beagle Bros has -- BeagleWrite GS which should also be a good one to
consider but I have not heard as much on it  as Graphic Writer.

Tim
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wizardary's operating system
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:29:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.702595776
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us (John Hood) writes:
>Ah, memories-- I worked for Sir-Tech on the IBM PC versions of these
>and helped with the Apple II versions...

>We used a complete reimplementation of the Apple Pascal interpreter
>and its supporting code.  We actually developed the Pascal code on an
>8086 machine, running the Apple Pascal development system.  (It was
>much faster there.)  The code on the distributed disks, however, was
>all our own.  The disk format is the same, but it may be that System 6
>is looking for identifying bytes in the bootstrap code.  Ours was
>different, of course.

Ah, maybe you can tell us then who wrote the copy protection, so we
can hunt him down and kill him!  Even years later, that was still one
of the worst programs to try to back up, even though I knew exactly
what had to be done.  And the real bitch was that these were
legitimate backups - I wore out more than one Wizardry disk.

-- 
If you have half a mind to watch TV, that is enough.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: System 6
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 00:24:57 EDT

stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:

> 	I don't know about that.  I believe the RamFAST works fine
> with the standard GS/OS drivers... in fact I know it does, because I
> didn't replace the drivers when I installed System 6.0.  You won't see
> the huge increase in speed though without the RamFAST drivers.
> 
I'm pretty sure the RamFAST doesn't do anything with the standard SCSI 
drivers...it will in fact work with no SCSI driver at all (but as you say, 
it's pretty slow, although probably still faster than the HS SCSI).
I just tried this to verify it, and I had a curious effect: one of my icons 
didn't get used by the Finder. It's an icon for a hard drive partition that 
matches "Inner*", and normally it shows up for all my partitions. The only 
change I made was to deactivate the RamFAST driver, and I got the usual hard 
drive icon (hmmm...in fact, it _was_ the hard drive icon - not the 
_partition_ icon - that's interesting too...). All my other icons worked ok, 
including non-file ones for the trashcan(s), and a floppy disk one. Weird.

> Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
> stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
> America On_Line:  DWS Steve
> Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!


Marc Sira               |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Why are you always shaaaking yer eyeballs?"
CI$ 70253,2574          '
From: t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wanted : MACOS BBS operating system
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:46:31 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

fsmcs1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

> 
>         I used to have TC Wilson's phone number, and I'm almost 100% sure I h


Um, I doubt that you have it now... but I'm sure my CallLog would love to 
have your number if you do manage to hit it...


Tc Wilson/The Captain           "Programming is an art form
t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com        that fights back."
From: tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple ][ cards/disk drive/keyboard for sale
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:36:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: nctams1.1992Apr13.203603.21097
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC

Used (but working) Apple II cards/disk drive for sale:

(1) 64K/80Col Apple Board...................$ 15.00
(2) Amdek RGB Video Boards..................$  5.00 each
(1) 512K Apple Memory Board.................$ 35.00
(1) Parallel Printer Board (Tiger)..........$  5.00
(1) Parallel Printer Board (MPC) w/cable....$  5.00
(1) AE Serial Pro (Clock/Super Serial)......$ 30.00
(1) UDC Disk Controller Card (brand new)....$ 45.00
(1) Enhanced Apple IIe chip set (4 chips)...$ 35.00
(1) Apple Super Serial Card.................$ 25.00
(1) Microsoft CP/M Card.....................$ 10.00
(1) Apple ][ Disk Drive.....................$ 40.00
(4) Apple ][ Disk Controller Boards.........$  5.00 each
(1) Apple ][GS Ram Card (0k)................$ 15.00
(1) Apple II+ Extended Keyboard.............$ 10.00

All the above plus shipping or $200 (plus shipping) for the lot.  Cash on 
Delivery (COD) or Money order.

--Tom






UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj
ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil
INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IIGS RGB Out of Focus
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:44:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr4.153652.12792@ausom.oz.au> jxc@ausom.oz.au (Jason Chuen) writes:
>[...opens GS monitor to play around inside...]
>                               (I would have grounded myself, but there
>wasn't a tap nearby... I was considering plugging a wire into the earth
>socket of a wall socket, but thought the better of it) [...]

YEEEEK!  Don't try this at home, kids.

I don't have a degree in Electrical Stupidity Detection (ESD) or anything,
but grounding *yourself* is definitely not a hot (sorry) idea.

There's 120 volts between earth ground and the "hot" side of the AC.  If
you're attached to both at once, it's a bit unpleasant for your heart.

Insulating yourself is a much more useful thing to do, as Dave Seah pointed
out.  Rubber mats, or whatever.

You may have seen human-grounding-wire products advertised, for work with
static-discharge-sensitive components.  These are *not* just wires that
attach you to ground.  Instead, they connect you to ground through a
resistance of ONE MILLION OHMS.  This stops you from building up a static
charge, but it does not provide much of a current path *through* you,
in case you touch a hot wire.

When a piece of *equipment* is grounded (3-prong outlet), the idea is to
connect the chassis/case/etc to ground, so that any accidental short of
the hot wire to some metal that a human might touch has a return path to
ground, other than potentially through the human.

Keeping one hand behind your back working near high voltage is an excellent
idea.  This way if you get careless you're more likely to zap from your
thumb to your pinky (annoying your hand) than from your hand to your other
hand (annoying your heart).

There are high voltages in TV-type thangs even when they're unplugged.
If you're not sure you know what's safe, pay somebody to mess with it
for you.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Question about GS Bus
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:33:35 GMT

bb252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James L. Brookes) writes:

>A friend and I were debating about the GS Bus, and it's 1mhz bus
>speed limitation.  He claims that a Zip allows you to transfer
>data at 8mhz (the speed of the CPU), I believe that this is impossible.

You are correct, and your friend is full of it.

>He cites as proof the Zip's "Fast Slot" configuration (I think this
>is simpli indicitive of how fast the CPU can access data in the 
>$CXXX range that's mapped to the slots).

Yep. All the "Fast" vs. "Normal" settings change is whether or not the Zip
watches for accesses to that slot for compatibility reasons. If a slot is set
to "Normal", then any time that slot is accessed the Zip will temporarily
disable acceleration for 50 milliseconds. Each access resets that timer, so
the Zip can be off for the whole time you are using that slot (this lets
software timing loops run at 2.5 mhz so the slot's driver doesn't get
confused). If the slot is set to "Fast" then the Zip treats that slot as if
it were RAM in bank $E0/E1, i.e. it does a 1 mhz cycle to read/write data but
otherwise keeps running at full speed.

The ZipTalk init took advantage of this feature by requiring that either slot
6 or 7 was set to normal; it figures out which one when you boot and accesses
that slot each time a network interrupt hits. This allowed Apple's packet
receive code to do all the software timing loops it wanted to without failing,
and it was compatible with future systems. 6.0 does not require it anymore,
but it doesn't break anything if you keep ZipTalk for the cursor flicker fixer.

What the ZIP _does_ do is allow you to write data to the video bus at a full
1 mhz under some conditions. This gives a _significant_ performance improvement
in many graphics routines (Rastan flies with a Zip installed, and LHG's scroll
routines run a lot faster, not to mention certain tool calls). The TWGS does
not do this very well, if at all (bwah hah hah). I have actually clocked test
programs to verify that it reaches 1 mb/s, but anybody who can read the timing
diagrams in the hardware reference will tell your friend that the 1 mhz side
of the machine can only be accessed at 1 mhz, and no faster. I'll give this
guy an A for enthusiasm, but that kind of misinformation just doesn't help.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
From: frank@terapin.com (Chun Li)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Lovin' System 6
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:22:48 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>I saw System 6.0 for the first time last week, and I was wondering
>what you all think the big deal is about it.
>
>For one thing, it isn't a signifigant enhancement of version 5.  For
>another, it's a dog.  It's slow, buggy and USELESS.  Also, don't forget,
>IT'S JUST A ****ing PROGRAM LAUNCHER!!!  It really does nothing for you.

I gotta say this for Dave, and Andrew, and all the System 6.00 programmers. 
System 6 is great!  The only bug I have encountered so far is my
RamFAST/ProDOS v2.01 combination ( which RamFAST v3.00 should solve ).  The
Finder is much faster than the older version, all the keyboard shortcuts can
save lots of times if you learn to use them.  New control panel is easier to
use, faster, and these are the changes easily visible to end users like you
(Brent Pistun).  Not to mention all the goodes under the hoods now.

Welp, I guess you better stick with your 5.04 then.

        :::::::::: Frank M. Lin :::::::::::
        :::::::> frank@terapin.com <:::::::
        :::> OggNet: #6 (APSUL) on HOG <:::
        :: "ni i wo ma? if so, mail me!" ::
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Achievement Awards Updatey
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:58:46 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr4.182801.39031@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston Park) writes:
>In article <22294@goofy.Apple.COM>, mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:
>> (Those voters who voted through internet, by the way, were the first and
>> only group where 100% of those voting replied in time.)
>
>Darn.  I would have loved to have voted on that.  Too bad the geeks around
>here can't keep News up more than 3 days in a row so I could have known about
>it.

Sorry, voting was by invitation only.  More or less like the academy
awards.  (Less, actually.)
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: vokey@hg.uleth.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: (none)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:41:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Mike,
What hard drive can connect to a ][c disk port?  Are you referring to the
original ][c?
John
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AW3.0 Spreadsheed Problem!
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:29:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65145
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr9.011910.5612@psych.toronto.edu> roberta@psych.toronto.edu (Robert Atwood) writes:
>Hi. I have just discovered that the Spreadsheet in my Appleworks 3.0
>does order of operations WRONG! Example  1/2 + 1/4 = 0.375, or so it says!
>This should be 0.75 according to what I learned in Grade 3.  It seems
>to be calculating (1/2 +1)/4 for some reason.  Is there a patch for this
>[...]

Have you confirmed in the manual that it's *supposed* to use standard
algebraic operator precedence rules?  Not necessarily a good assumption.
Maybe it's left-to-right on purpose.

So use parentheses!  No big deal.  Patching it doesn't sound like a
very safe idea, because then if you ever used your spreadsheet with
a non-patched copy of AppleWorks, you'd get toasty results, maybe
without noticing.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com