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From: jburnes@csisun.uucp (Jim Burnes)
Subject: Re: soviet atrocities rarely revealed in establishment media
Organization: CompuSci, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:04:36 GMT

Mr Bacon writes about little known post-WWII history:

After spending the last 4 or 5 years scanning intelligence literature
I stumbled upon the same Stalinist atrocities you speak of. 

What is even more startling than this is the fact that the US govt 
either wittingly or unwittingly helped them out.  Several testimonies
of US soldiers who, after the fall of Berlin, helped herd supposed
"war" criminals onto trains heading toward the Soviet Union.  These
war criminals were men, women, children etc.   Apparently these
people were either put in concentration camps in the USSR or
simply shot there.

Apparently what they were were people who were definitely anti-communist
and needed to be supressed/eliminated in order to stabilize the
eastern european pro-communist regimes to come.  If you remember, prior
to the outbreak of WWII there was a very strong Hegelian dialectic
running through Germany - the communists and the nazi were polarized
in the extreme.

The US end of this entire operation was called Operation Eastwind.

The British helped out and I cant remember their name for the operation
right now.  It was something like Operation Gangplank (I know this isnt
it but its real close...maybe phonetically or maybe a part of a ship).

Or maybe the names of the operations were reversed for British/Americans.
Its been about 2 years since I read it.

Authors "in-the-know" including Alexander (sp?) Scholtzenietzen (in his
book "The Gulag Archipelago") speculate that the deal was cut during
the Allied Summit in Yalta, USSR before the end of the War.

I not saying this is all absolutely true....just stuff I stumbled
upon in my research.


For what its worth....

Jim Burnes
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: STS-1 Disaster -- follow-up #2
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:43:42 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec29.032345.17662@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>In article <1hlbvlINN8up@network.ucsd.edu> spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.222007.28325@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>>(see the James Bond film 'Moonraker' for more details.  I always wondered
>>>how one could launch 6 shuttles from underground without anyone seeing
>>>them launch, and without anyone feeling the ground shaking)
>>
>>Easy.  If everyone is a Replicant -- er -- I mean, Robotiod -- they
>>can be simply programmed not to feel it
>
>So how do they replace everyone in an entire area without anyone noticing?

Zzzzipp-beep.  I'm sorry.  My programming does not allow me to divulge -- 
plink - plink - plink -- `ank you.

I'm sorry, this ride is closed.

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Living alone is living in perpetual irony and thinking, more and more
frequently, Why not."   - Joyce Carol Oates, "The Boyfriend"
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Pan Am 103-Four years after
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:37:21 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA.

In article <BzMt8F.3zt@demon.co.uk>, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk 
(Graham Toal) writes:
> 
> There's *something* fishy in this story and it will come out eventually.

You mean like the Kennedy assassination??

> 
> We may all be too old to give a damn of course, when it does.
> 

Yup, definitely like the Kennedy assassination.

bill



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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,alt.fan.lemurs
From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: STS-1 Disaster -- follow-up #3
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Dec 1992 08:30 EST  


I guess I latched on late to this big conspiricy discussion of STS-1;  
could someone please repost the original theory of just what the hypothesis 
was?

I'm getting the feeling that someone feels that Columbia never returned 
from space, and that the Enterprise was relabeled Columbia and returned to 
Edwards after being released off of the 747 carrier.

I guess this much is believable, but if Crippen and Young were on the true 
Columbia when it was launched, who pilotted the Enterprise in?



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Shamir's Disturbing Remarks
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:41:04 GMT

#  f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
# 
# Recently in reading UPI press releases I came across some most disturbing
# racial comments by former Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Shamir. [The
# report was dated December 16th].  As reported Shamir said
# 
# 	``We are familiar with the Arabs for many centuries, from the 
# closest of contacts. We know that these people have no respect for human
# life....They really like it, they desire it, they enjoy each murder.''

I am not going to spend my life defending Shamir - the man was a disaster
to Israel and I was very happy to see his party lose. Nontheless he, as well
as the late Menachem Begin, was many times ill-quoted by the media.
Especially, things they said about terror organizations were presented as if
they said them about all Arabs. 

Also, there are rather disturbing voices from the other side. Faisal Husseini,
who is considered a mainstream Palestinian leader, talked just
last month about "dissolving the Zionist entity" (Israel). If
this kind of talk is still going on, it might suggest that not
too much has changed in the way some Arabs view Israel.

# Now we see the expulsion of 400 Palestinians from the land of their
# birth to a no-man's land in southern Lebanon.  Is this the start of
# a Meir Kahane style solution to the "Palestinian problem?"  This is
# reminescent of the expulsion of Poles from Germany prior to WWII.

Hardly. Kahane, don't forget, was excluded from running to the Israeli 
parliament. When he was allowed to run, he had one seat (out of 120). 
You forget that the deportees will be allowed back in in one year or
two. Furthermore, the organizations to which they belong (Hamas
and Islamic Jihad) have not only openly declared that their goal is the 
complete destruction of Israel, they have also killed numerous 
moderate Palestinians who have supported the peace process. In
one week, they killed 6 Israeli soldiers, tried to plant 3 car bombs in highly 
populated areas, and planned an attack on a high-school in Jerusalem. 
These people are doing their best to kill the peace process.

-Danny Keren.


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From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #60 of 80
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:06:45 GMT
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program

met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Talbot) writes:


>BTW, someone asked this before, and I don't think they got an answer.
>What would it take for those who believe Beter to change thier minds about
>him?  What sort of evidence is acceptable if I were to make a serious 
>attempt to convince you he was either nuts or a good story-teller?

Though I should have noted in my previous posting that I didn't 
understand exactly why the robotoid who replaced Carter would be
so upset about losing the presidential election - wasn't that
part of the plan?  I'll have to go back and re-read these.

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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Conspiracy Book of the Year Nomination
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:24:39 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


Nomination for Conspiracy Book of the Year

If you haven't yet read L. Fletcher Prouty's "JFK. The CIA, Vietnam
And The Plot To Assassinate John F. Kennedy", then add it to your
'must read' list.  In real life Prouty is a former high-level military-
CIA operative who was the character named "X" in Oliver Stone's
momentous movie JFK.

Prouty's book is not another rehash of the details of the JFK assassination
about which so many volumes have already been written.  It is much
more.  Prouty begins with events in 1943 and paints an intricate
and disturbing picture of the web of intrigue that has befallen our
nation at the hands of the 'high cabal'.  He painstakingly develops
the evidence to show the manipulation of the US populace as we were
drawn into the Vietnam war.  His central theme remains the motive
behind the JFK assassination.  

In the introduction by Oliver Stone, Stone remarks:

	"With this single volume, Colonel Prouty blows the lid
	right off our Official History and unforgivably, sadly,
	inexorably for anyone who dares enter this cave of
	dread and shame shines his torch forever onto the
	ugliest nest of vipers the civilized world has probably
	seen since the dreaded Mongol raiders of the tenth and
	eleventh centuries.

JFK. The CIA, Vietnam And The Plot To Assassinate John F. Kennedy
L. Fletcher Prouty
Copyright 1992
ISBN 1-55972-130-8
A Birch Lane Press Book Published by Carol Publishing Group

-Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<bhayden.725782011@teal> <1992Dec31.190521.26189@unet.net.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.190521.26189@unet.net.com> steven@guava.net.com (Steve Nelson) writes:

   In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
   >
   > [irrelevant text deleted}
   >
   >Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
   >done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, 

   Lying to Congress is currently a crime.
		     --

   >you would have
   >to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list. 
   >

   Please provide specific information, including the name of any
   administration officials, the date of occurrences, the person or persons
   to whom the information was provided, the text of the information provided, 
   the sources you referenced, and evidence to prove that the information 
   given was incorrect and was knowingly provided with the deliberate intent 
   to deceive, which indicates that any senior official in the FDR, JFK, or 
   LBJ, administrations or that the president himself ever lied (knowingly 
   provided incorrect information with the deliberate intent to deceive) under 
   oath, in a court of law, during a deposition, or to Congress.

That's easy, LBJ's lying about the Tonkin Gulf incident, JFK's cover-up
of the events surounding the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  There are those (I am
not among them) who claim that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack
Pearl Harbor and deliberately hid the facts so we would be drawn into the
war.  The FDR claims aside, clearly the LBJ lies were the worst since
they lead to our involvemant in that hideous fiasco in Southeast Asia.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space,sci.astro
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.103655.11722@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>
>eidetics@nic.cerf.net writes:
>
> >>Doesn't this remind you of a plot from a James Bond movie?  Moonraker?
> >>Shuttle takes off from transport 747 causing the 747 to crash...
>
>I guess the SCA crew in this conspiracy also had to be "replicated".  :->
>
> >Glad you guys brought it up.  I just happen to have a piece from Dr. Beter
> >Audio Letter #56 that you might find interesting with regard to "Moonraker"
> >and the rest of the James Bond adventures, and the background of their
> >author, the late Ian Fleming.
>
>Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".

Ian Fleming *did* write "Moonraker."  However, _his_ "Moonraker" was about
a _missile_ being built in Britain by Sir Hugo Drax, who, unbeknownst to
the public, was actually a German Nazi.  Drax's missile, built with public
funds and all that, was actually intended to destroy London.  Such a
missile seemed interesting at the time Fleming wrote the book, but by the
time they got around to making a movie, it was old stuff.  Hence they kept
Drax's name and changed virtually all other details when they made the
movie, "Moonraker."  

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:06:51 GMT

dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.195442.29596@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>>In article <bhayden.725732024@teal> Bruce Hayden, bhayden@teal.csn.org
>>>>>  He doesn't have to answer to *anyone*.  That's just not right,
>>>>>IMHO.

>Who do federal judges answer to?
There is a big difference. Technically Walsh is an Executive Branch
employee. The judges are judicial branch. Also, judges face impeachment.
He doesn't. (But he technically can be removed for cause by the Pres)

>>>Which laws are you talking about? Jaywalking? Lying to Congress?
>>
>Lying to Congress _UNDER OATH_ = perjury
>Sending money to the contras when the Congress, consitutionally empowered
>to control the money, said they shouldn't get money.
>>
First note that no one, I repeat NO ONE was ever indited for violating
the Boland Amendment. (also note - no convictions thereof) 

Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, you would have
to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list. FDR's lies to congress
got us into the war against Germany. 

Next, much of the alleged lying was not done under oath. This is the
first time (I believe) that anyone has tried to prosecute non oath
testimony before Congress. Next, much of the alleged lying was
omission, not commission (i.e. things were left out).
Finally, Walsh is as guilty of it as Weinberger - in his statements
about where he lives and reimbursements thereof.

Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:13:12 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes:

>In article <adams.725913927@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
>>Depending on datings, either all, or nearly all, of Paul's letters were
>>written BEFORE the Gospels.  The earliest Gospel, Mark, has no post 
>>resurection appearences of Jesus in the best early manuscripts.  The tomb
>>is empty, and 'a young man in a white robe' told the women that Christ was
>>risen.
>>Gospel/Acts dates:
>>    Mark.................50-70AD
>>    Matthew..............55-75AD
>>    Luke.................59-75AD
>>    John.................53-85AD
>>    Acts.................63-70AD*
>>* Could be much later than 70, and no earlier than 'Luke'
>
>Interesting.  I would be a little hesitant about dates earlier than 68-70AD
>when the Jerusalem Temple was "attacked" by the Roman army, after which
>everyone was feverishly trying to blame one another (i.e., the reason for
>rise of Xtianity).  But I would be interested in knowing your source.

In this case, the particulars were from the NIV Study Bible (Zondervan),
but only 'cause I had that handy.  The date ranges were confirmed by a
Biblical Theology class I had, and it's text.  That text was:

  _An Introduction to the Bible: A Journey into Three Worlds_
  Hauer, Christian E and Young, William A.
  Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1990

It (being fairly 'liberal') gives 70AD as the most likely time for Mark,
while stating that tradition holds 64AD as the date.  More 'conservative'
scholars (ie fundamentalists & some evengelicals) give earlier dates.

For Matthew, it gives even later possible dates, as late as 80AD.  For
Luke/Acts, 80AD to as late as 100AD, and for John, 80-100AD.

The big question is who wrote them.  If you assign the traditional
authorship, late dates are tough, because of the advanced age of the
authors.  If you are willing to reject traditional authorship, then 
the dates open up quite a bit.

As for the sack of Jerusalem, that particular event would have little
effect on the Gospels dating, except in a textual-historical way (ie,
references or suppositions of the destruction of the temple).  Mark was
most likely written in Rome, Matthew likely in Anthioch, Luke most likely
NOT in Palestine (because of negative evidence - lack of knowledge of
geography), and John unknonwn (no theories in either reference).

 -Steve
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:55:27 GMT

In article <63119@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>Albert Schweitzer had these books pegged years before they were written.
>There is no historical Jesus-- at least, there is no Jesus which a historian
>can reconstruct.  Only the Jesus of religion has been left to us.

Er, A. S is a little suspect since he wishes to preserve his religion
when arguing (not that this distracts from his greatest, less take his
"missionary zeal").  I think it better that historians decide on facts 
related to history.  The closest non-Christian source to the time of
the early gospels is Josephus, and he got most of his facts from the 
libraries (i.e., official Roman documents) maintained in Rome.
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A nation chosen by GOD -- New-Israel
Keywords: No argument, you win.
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:25:55 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

vanweer@ecf.toronto.edu (VANWEERDENBURG NICHOLAS JOHN) writes...
| >I won't repeat the original post here- suffice to say the poster stated that
| >his god was necessary to save the United States from its path to destruction.

b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Dentistry) writes:
| A better summary would have been, " give up on the US, it's a corpse."

VW:
| >And that basically this god supported the US in the past when it was more
| >religious.  Basically drivel...

GD:
| And my opinion is that GOD doesn't care about non-entities, such as 
| governments, education, churches, fads, and the like... only individual
| people, each directly and individually.  ...

And I take it if God doesn't "care about" something,
whatever that means, it isn't important.  Maybe it
doesn't even exist, which would seem more likely.  
After all, omnipotence should count for something.

But then there's not much point in thinking about
things like "politics" or other such phenomena.  If you
want to have something to talk about, you have to stay
pretty materialistic; otherwise it's all "Om, ah, hum"
and you're done.

Since you mentioned an article entitled _Godwrestling_
I take it you know about the Dukhobors.  Would a Dukho-
bor write in alt.conspiracy or talk.politics.theory?
-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:32:55 GMT

>Some quotes from Larry Stammer, ``Not the Stuff of Sermons'', Los
>Angeles Times Book Review, Sunday, December 20, 1992, pp. 2,4. The
>article is a review of the book _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson (W.W.
>Norton: $22.95; 256 pp.).
>
>   "+ The resurrection is a `whopping lie.' The Risen Christ, as
>      opposed to the historical Jesus, is `an invention of Paul's
>      religious genius.'
>

I find this the most interesting. How does Paul's genius account for the 
resurrection stories in the gospels? Are they supposed to have been
added much later?
 
>
>   "+ The `servant of the high priest' who accompanied Judas in leading
>      authorities to arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane may have
>      been the Apostle Paul himself before his conversion.  

This idea is found in _The Last Temptation of Christ_, but according
to the Gospel of John, the servant's name was Malchus.

>   "+ Jesus' prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, asking God to spare
>      him from the cup of death but nonetheless bowing to God's will,
>      is a literary creation. If Jesus prayed while his disciples
>      slept, who jotted down a transcript of the conversation?"

An alternative explanation is divine inspiration, which is supposedly the
method of composition of the book. Consequently, this observation is
not independently significant: it is subordinate to the result of inquiry
about inspiration, and can add nothing nor take anything away from
that debate.


      Tom Price   |    tp0x@cs.cmu.edu   |   Free will? What free will? 
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: The Space Shuttle Disaster Coverup Conspiracy (with extra sl
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:04:36 GMT

> JKF writes:
> >  This evil empire has many arms. SOME of the secondary
> > organations and prominent individualsw are listed below.


[lengthy list trimmed]
...
>
> >Microsoft (mission: cripple Earth based computing systems
> >           with crippled operating systems)


I always suspected this to be the case, personally...

Followups to alt.bill.gates.die.die.die  :)



--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"

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