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From: Diane Birginal <IDDMB%ASUACAD.BITNET@VM.usc.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Toros? No, gracias
Date: 24 Jul 1992 14:15:16 -0700
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 *** Reply to note of 07/24/92 10:36
 Para que no pases de rollos sustancialistas, que no existencialistas, cosa  de
 los "pasadores" (raza extinguida ya, no como la de lidia) te aclarare' sobrino
 entera'ndome de tu sensibilidad, que nunca hice halago del patrimonio del bocat
 a y el jam'on, ahora si, hago patrimonio de sensibilidad humana y animal, que m
 e conste escribi' un parrafo con referencias  a "la esquizofrenia colectiva que
  nos embarga", como todo el mundo tengo un orden de prioridades, por mucho que
 me demuestres el padecimiento y sufrimiento de tu sensibileri'a, no comulgo co
 n ruedas de molino. Respeto tu sensibilidad, racionalecologista, pero te queda,
  mejor dicho nos queda mucho para ser humanoracionalistas. A estas alturas me c
 omo una chuleta de vaca, pero como no vi como la mataban, no soy sensible. Como
  no soy sensible pero veo ma's cosas en la fiesta, juerga, antes y despue's de
 la corrida, me como una chuleta de toro, y me vuelvo sensible. Los para'ametros
  de sensibilidad, los tuyos no son como los mi'os, pero yo no hago patrimonio d
 e tales. Insisto en que me dais pa'nico, derechos? los que tu' y otros tantos m
 oralistas como tu' quieren fundamentalizar? Que tu' y los tuyos los compartan,
 pero no me digas que no tengo sensibilidad. La corrida, la noche, y todo lo que
  tu' me cuentes nunca ha pretendido ser monopolista, seri'a aburrida. Mas meoll
 o y menos patrimonio es lo que hace falta.  Chema

 -- Diane 5-0167
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Arrow
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:53:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <3640@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>Talking of arrows what's the evidence that there was an Olympic flame at
>the Ancient Olympic Games at all?

>Andy Fear cla04@uk.ac.Keele

Simple. I can see that you are in an academic institute
("ac.uk"). Take a look in any relevant book at your library. If
no history/classical studies section exists, try the local
(council) library. You will find out, not only the reason for
the existence of such a flame, but also why it has to be
burning during the whole of the duration of the Games.

Using a holy flame during a procession is quite widespread to
various civilizations.

Regards
Panayotis
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From: jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Rock en NYC (21-VII)
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:46:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services


	Proximos conciertos en New York:
	-THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS* (5-VIII)
		Beacon Theatre (74th St & Broadway)
	-DAVID BYRNE* (19-VIII)
		Beacon Theatre
	-THE CURE* (23-VIII)
		Nassau Coliseum (Parece que han cmbiado el lugar; para mas 
informacion, llamar a Ticketmaster*)
	-THE BLACK CROWES* (26-VIII) Una de las bandas mas interesantes. 
Puede que sea un atrevimiento, pero en mi opinion van a ser los autenticos
herederos de los Rolling; las entradas para sus otros dos conciertos (24 y 
25-VIII) ya estan agotadas!
		Beacon Theatre
	-ELLIOTT MURPHY (11-VIII)
		The Bottom Line (15W 4th St, 212-2287880)
	-THE DEVIL DOGS (24-VIII)
		Continental (25 3rd Av, ?-5296924)
	-ROBERT GORDON w/ CHRIS SPEDDING (31-VII) El viejo monstruo vuelve
con un gran guitarrista
		Roadhouse (240W 52nd St, 212-2452950)
	-THE STRAY CATS* (24-VII) No hace falta presentacion
		Ritz (254W 54th St)
	- PAUL WELLER* (25-VII) x-JAM, x-Style Council, pero aun vivito y
coleando
		Ritz
	-NICK CAVE & THE BAD SEEDS* (31-VII)
		Ritz


	El signo * significa que las entradas se pueden conseguir por
adelantado en la agencia Ticketmaster, pagando mas pasta, claro:
	212-3077171	914-4543388	201-5078900	516-8889000

	Carlos Jaramillo
	jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu
From: un107375@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Elec Info Indep centers for disabled
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:28:51 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I would like to access Rehabilitation centers in Spain, especially INCERSO
through electronic media.  I would appreciate any information about
BITNET,FIDONET or Internet access to any/all independent living centers in
Rehabilitation for the disabled in Spain.  

Thank you very much

Balu
From: Diane Birginal <IDDMB%ASUACAD.BITNET@VM.usc.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Toros? No, gracias.
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:57:56 -0700
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 *** Reply to note of 07/22/92 10:37
 TOROS ES ARTE Y CULTURA, pero no nos torturemos ma's. Chema

 -- Diane 5-0167
From: Pablo Dominguez <fibces04@esaii.upc.es>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Catalunha, toros y Somalia
Date: 24 Jul 1992 10:32:29 -0700
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Estoy de acuerdo contigo, Carlos, a veces, los hhumanos nos comportamos de
formas muy gilipollas, creyendonos que somos el centro del mundo, y que todo
es alegria a nuestro alrededor, cuando, sin ir mas lejos, deberiamos de mirar
en las zonas deprimidas de nuestras ciudades, no hace falta ir a Somalia.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon)
Subject: Re: yeeee, els catalans!!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:04:42 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<2A6C7E03.26357@noiro.acs.uci.edu>
Originator: jl@SHELLEY.SP.CS.CMU.EDU


  Bueno, a flamear un poco.  

  El nombre de Carreras es Josep porque Josep es Jose' en Catalan, no porque
suene mas Europeo, chorizo Revilla digo Ravelo.  Y tu, porque te llamas Ray?
no sera porque quieres sonar mas hispano no?
  
  El promocionar la imagen de Catalunya es pragmatico, no dogmatico.
La publicidad es bastante pragmatica, me parece a mi.  El estadounidense
de a pie, al ver lo bonito que es el sitio donde se celebran las Olimpiadas,
se dira que a ver cuando visita Espanya.  Pero si esta campanya publicitaria
de la Generalitat fuera lo suficientemente amplia, a lo mejor dicho
americanito se diria que a ver cuando visitaba Catalunya.  

  Mira, yo no soy catalan, pero me sorprenden muchos en este foro cuando les
veo creerse que Catalunya tiene una obligacion a sentirse hispana, o
castellana.  Si has estado en Catalunya, te salta a los ojos que es una
cultura totalmente diferente.  A mi casi me sorprendia el pagar en pesetas,
y que la gente me entendiera en castellano. 

  Todo es cuestion de prejuicios: si te vas pensando que los catalanes son
simplemente unos sevillanos un poco raros, te va a chocar lo que encuentres.
Y si a raiz de ello te sientes insultado, se te notara, y algunos nativos te
exacerbaran la falta de tolerancia.  Que te tocaran los collons, quiero decir.
Sin embargo, los londinenses son mucho mas diferentes de los sevillanos que los
catalanes, y ya ves, hay mucho espanyolito que se va a la perfida albion y no
se queja.

  Catalunya (o Aragon) tuvo bastante poco que ver con la colonizacion de
America, por cierto, asi que tampoco se porque dices que los catalanes se
"estan intentando distanciar de America latina."  Los vinculos que puedan
tener con America son como los vinculos que tienen con el resto de Espanya:
intensos, pero vinculos con tribus ajenas.  

  Y mas para ti, Ray: no se distancio Cuba de America latina en los 40 y 50,
cuando su progreso dependia de los EEUU?  Es natural, como lo es que Espanya
se decante del lado europeo cuando algo importante este en juego.  Es
laudable, creo yo, que Espanya se haya siempre decantado del lado americano
cuando no costara mucho, y que haya defendido en la EEC algunos intereses de
America latina, como en cuestiones de inmigracion y de deuda.

  Si intentas encajar las acciones de las naciones en terminos de moralidad, 
apaga y vamonos.

Juan
From: hernan@cc.gatech.edu (Hernan Astudillo R.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: 'europeidad' (was Re: yeeee, els catalans!!)
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:25:27 GMT
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul22.232240.12346@Csli.Stanford.EDU> delval@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Alvaro del Val) writes:
>
>No lo digo en especial por Catalun~a, pero el tema de "ser europeos" a
>veces adquiere en Espan~a unos tintes un poco pateticos.  Mas o menos
>como si en Venezuela, pongamos por caso, insistieran en que son
>americanos.

	Y lo son, pues.  ?En que continente crees que esta Venezuela?  ?Asia?
Un poquito de geografia no le hace mal a nadie...

--hernan
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From: ecamahor@cs.utexas.edu (Emilio Camahort)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: In Catalonia of Course!
Date: 23 Jul 1992 00:34:35 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
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Summary: catalunya mes que mai
Keywords: catalunya, catalunya, catalunya

In article <1992Jul22.164322.57437@cc.usu.edu> slwsg@cc.usu.edu (Enrique Playan Jubillar. Utah State University) writes:
>In article <PALOU.92Jul22153103@osnome.che.wisc.edu>, palou@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Ignasi Palou-Rivera) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul22.193118.24241@nic.unh.edu> des@kepler.unh.edu (David E Samso-Aparici) writes:
>> 
>> Yo afortunadamente me voy para casa el viernes (si, Barcelona). Espero
>> que desde aqui se oigan bien los pitos cuando toquen el maldito himno.
>
>Ignasi, el dia que inventan un medidor automatico de cociente intelectual
>te van a usar para calibrar el cero.
>
>> 
>> Ignasi.

Mi enhorabuena, Enrique, por tan buena respuesta a la frase de Ignasi. De
lo que me he reido, un poco mas y me caigo de la silla.

Por cierto, Ignasi, si quieres oir una buena pita' (con acento en la a)
al que llamas 'maldito' himno, pasate por la Pza del Ayuntamiento de Va-
lencia un 20 de Marzo a la 1:00 de la madrugada, que los valencianos no 
necesitamos unas Olimpiadas para pegar una pita' al himno. Lo hacemos 
todos los anyos y, posiblemente, con mas razon (aunque menos sanya).

>Enrique, un enamorado de Catalunya y los Catalanes.

Emilio, otro enamorao de Catalunya y los Catalanes (al menos los que yo
conozco)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ylin@nthu.edu.tw (Youn-Long Lin (035)713786)
Subject: Re: Our Olympic Baseball Team vs US Team (Was Re: Bad News) 
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:55:20 GMT

ccc@ee.nthu.edu.tw (Chi-chao Chao) writes:
> 
> Well, this year's US team is not as good as the '88 team (which had Jim Abbot (sp?) 
> and many other good players.)  According to the news, after the game with US, 
> our team's coaches admitted that the major mistakes they made were overestimating 
> US team's strength and so not letting our best pitcher KuoLee Chien-Fu enter the 
> game until the 8th inning.  Note that KuoLee allowed no hits and gave three strike-
> outs in two innings of the game with US and allowed only three hits in nine innings
> of the game with Puerto Rico.
> 
> Though this year our olympic team's whole pitching power is not comparable to that
> of '84 and '88 teams, (only KuoLee Chien-Fu and Lin Chao-Huang are good enough),
> its batting is very very impressive.  (Anyone who had follow the radio coverage of 
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What are Taiwan TV stations doing?
Baseball is the only event that Taiwan team is competitive.
I'll never understand why the same station that spends money on live coverage of
the Little League World Series is skipping the REAL, BIG one.


> the games closely would have no doubt about this.)
> I think our team will have a fairly good chance to beat US in the finals if two 
> meet again.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cyeh@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Woody)
Subject: Re: Bad News (was Re: Taiwan Olympics Results)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:04:24 GMT

In article <151l9cINNn2g@agate.berkeley.edu> hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong) writes:
>Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
>Keywords: Baseball
>
>Just heard we lost to USA 10-9.  Can anybody confirm??
>

	Around midnight, I heard the same thing from two of my friends.
	One in Taipei, the other in Seatle.
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News Again
Keywords: Ha...........................
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.171514.18111@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:

>(3). "Basic Instinct" is showing in TW now.  In PG-13.  God, they must cut a
>lot of "exciting shots"!  Thanks God we can see the whole thing here which

Now if they're showing the 4 hour version of Dances With Wolves,
why should they cut BI?  And how much do you have to cut to get BI
to PG-13??????... :-)

>costs only $1.  At least, according to my friend's words, you still can see
>Michael Douglas' lovely ass on the screen.  But that's all.  Besides, you can
>hear 3-word shouting around you when you got out of the cimena.

Why?  What's there to san-zhi-zhen about?  Too little Sharon Stone huh?  :-)

Brandon

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From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:38:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I think jilian meant that the average western woman is less hardworking...

which is a plausible statement, beacause people in a better off society do not

need to work that hard to earn a good living.

But remeber also that the first American women to arrive were very hardworking.

So it really depends on the environment; isn't it?
From: cl3@shark.cis.ufl.edu (Chiu-Ying Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Olympics Baseball Result
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:45:30 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


RESULTS for July 27, 1992
-------------------------
Cuba  18,  Italy  1
United States  10,  Taiwan  9
Japan  12,  Spain  1
Puerto Rico  7, Dominican Republic  5

OLYMPIC STANDINGS
-----------------

Team            W       L       GB      F       A
-----------------------------------------------------
Cuba            2       0       --     26       1
Japan           2       0       --     21       1
United States   2       0       --     14      10
Taiwan          1       1       1      17      12
Puerto Rico     1       1       1       7      14
Dominican R.    0       2       2       5      17
Italy           0       2     
Spain           0       2
From: mlab3@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NBC......Gan!
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:21:17 CDT
Organization: who cares


> NBC didn't show the PRC team in the Winter Games coverage of the opening
> ceremonies, incidentally.  I guess they figured they had to make equal time to
> balance opening ceremony coverage of the "two Chinas" :-) :-)
> 
For your infomation, NBC didn't broadcast the winter olympic, that was ABC

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From: hy7919@thor.albany.edu (HONG-HSEE YUAN)
Subject: Some words for Zen enthusiasts
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:58:38 GMT

	Good to see so many people are interested in Zen Buddhism.It is not
always suitable even to quote stories from sutra, especially some extreme
ones. Very often it misleads people to non-Buddhism, or even worse,      
anti-Buddhism. Bearing this in mind, so a real Buddhist would be more than
careful trying to introduce Zen to people by making his/herown stories.
	Bless you all.
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food (was Re: fc, sushi, egg/spring rolls)
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:03:28 GMT

In article <19806@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>
>>>   <stuff deleted>
>
>There is S/S, although it tastes totally different.
>I don't know about EFY, never seen it or had it.
>By the way, here is another "how did the name become this way" question:
>In Chinese, "chow mein" literally means stir-fried noodles, so I don't
>understand how it became to stand for bean sprouts or those dried noodle
>things?  While I am chowing, what's "chop suey"?  Is that an "invention"
>or a poorly translated word?

I've worked in a number of Chinese restaurants (including
one in Tucson, Brandon. How're things at the U?), and the
kind of "chow mein" you get seems to depend on the cuisine
that the restaurant serves.  The trend of the recent years,
however, seems that the term "chow mein" is now used to
mean those things with the dry noodles, and "lo mein" is
used to describe the stir-freid noodles that is most commonly
know among Chinese as "chow mein".

As for "chop suey", it's usually a dish with a lot of different
things in it.  Usually a kind of meat and a bunch of different
vegetables (as in "Chicken Chop Suey").  I've always thought
that the term "chop suey" is from Cantonese, as are most English
Chinese dish names.  This is probably due to the fact that Chinese
food was first made popular in San Franciso, where Cantonese
dominated the Chinese population early in this century.  But since
I don't speak Cantonese, I don't know for sure.

				- David

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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Join United Nation
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:46:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <l70gp6INNa0@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>
>	what we can do in order to bring our country Taiwan back to
>	the stage of the world.  

TIers never quit their day dreams. While TIers are incapable to take on KMT,
they turn their guns toward UN, on purpose to change a nation name ROC based
on TIers interest, neglected all the facts.

Why don't you TIers take your nation, Green Island to UN?
TIers have a nation, constitution, president, flag, just no land, no enough people.
It is time for TIers to go, to go on vacation forever!

What is good for ROC to stay in UN as Taiwan?
Since ROC lost the seat, ROC has saved a huge amount of money for membership.
ROC used to pay membership for .4 billion population (UN charge membership
based on population, ROC paid that since UN was founded).
UN was so rediculous and un-realiatic to do so, isn't it?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: 99% will support Taiwan Independence
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:20:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <l6r46vINNnsl@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>By the way, Mr. Joe Wang, why do you always avoid answering the question
>about the claim of Mr. Lin Rong-San, a KMT Central Standing COmmittee
>member, that 99% of Taiwanese will support independence if there is no
>military threat from Chia ?

What's the question?  

Unlike you who knows what I believe better than I do, I have no such
special powers.  Before "answering" people's comments, I like to make
sure I understand exactly what they believe and the reasons for their
belief.  Since I have never spoken to Mr. Lin Rong-San or read
anything written by him, I would like to be more familiar with Mr. Lin
Rong-San's beliefs before I comment on them.

It would be nice if Mr. Lin Rong-San had a NetNews
account so that he tell us exactly what he believes (how does he
define TI, for example?) and why he believes it.

For example, if he hypothetically defines TI as dropping ROC's claims
on the Mainland and Mongolia, then I am sure that his assessment is
correct.  If there were no danger of a Mainland attack, I personally
would be in favor of dropping ROC's claims on the Mainland and
Mongolia.  If I, an ardent unificationist, believes this, then it is
very easy to see how 99% of Taiwanese would also.

On the other hand, if Mr. Lin Rong-San hypothetically defines TI as
"Republic of Taiwan," then it goes counter to my experience.  I would
then be very, very happy to listen to Mr. Lin Rong-San talk about his
beliefs, to consider his point of view, and to adjust my beliefs based
on what he says.

But since I don't know exactly what Mr. Lin Rong-San's claims are
right now, it would be silly for me to try to "answer" them.

If you give me Mr. Lin Rong-San's e-mail address, I would be more than
happy to talk to him in order to get a clearer understanding of the
Taiwan situation.  If you do not have Mr. Lin Rong-San's e-mail
address, then perhaps the location of some speeches by Mr. Lin
Rong-San would be appropriate.












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