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From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Refocus of Discussion of Islam (Was Re: Islam and America's Inner-Cities)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:06:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.153154.11787@cco.caltech.edu> bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:

>Of course, Islam is a tool of liberation.  And, of course, Muslims 
>have a duty to worry not only about the hereafter, but also about 
>this world.  In fact, what we attain in the hereafter, we are
>told by the Holy Qur'an, depends on how we organize our lives in this
>world.
>
>From day one, the social message of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) went hand 
>in hand with his theological message.  In Mecca, at the same time that
>he announced the Unity of God and denounced pagan idolatry, he also 
>reprimanded the greed of the pagans, their mistreatment of the poor and
>the orphans, and their burrying alive of female infants, and their 
>dishonesty when dealing with others.   This is perhaps more evident if
>we consider the Medinan Muslim society.   Social justice is an integral part 
>of Islam and it cannot be separated from its theological aspects.  
>
>Complete adherence to Islam will create social justice and liberation.  
>Conversely, *perfect* liberation and social justice cannot be achieved
>without Islam.
>
>Behnam Sadeghi

Come on, man you are getting quite ridiculous here... Try going to tell
that to the people of the southern Sudan, or the oppressed women in the
Middle East. Your above statment is not only dogmatic, it is downright
wrong and absurd.  

Femi.











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From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Subject: Re: Nonviolence, defense and America (Was Re: Violence, defense and Is
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.211653.3503@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu  
(william carter franklin) writes:

> 1.Who said I was white? Do I hear a _clicking_ noise? (stereotypewriter)

     Your fair complexion can be inferred from one of your previous  
postings in which you described the behavior of your father towards a  
group of white teenage thugs who were hassling the children of the first  
black family to move into your neighborhood. You stated that when the  
white thugs asked your father what he thought of the fact that n******  
were moving in, your father replied that he thought it was a good thing,  
because they [the black family] would help clean up the neighborhood of  
white trash. Such a conversation would not have occurred were your father  
black, or had he married a black woman. In addition, if your family were  
black, then the family that was being hassled by the white thugs would not  
have been the first black family in your neighborhood.

Arthur Johnson
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Celebrationng the End of Slavery
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:43:03 GMT

sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps) writes:


>This led me to wonder if there is any kind of celebration for the abolition
>of slavery.  I have never heard of any such celebration and I am wondering
>why not.  A friend of mine who is black told me that it really wasn't anything
>to celebrate.  I guess she meant that celebrating the end of slavery is just
>one more reminder of slavery. 

The closest thing is probably "Juneteenth", June 19, which marks the day
that abolition was recognized in Texas; its widely celebrated in Texas and
there seems to be a movement to promote it on a national level as a kind of
African American 4th of July.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:54:04 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul20.191536.19732@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>If it wasn't the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, then there were certain
>loose cannons from the Nation of Islam, aided and abetted by
>Hoover-types, who probably did the job. 
>[rest deleted]

This is close to what I've come to believe. I think the "Hoover-types"
took advantage of the rift between Malcolm X and the NOI to get some
hired guns to do their dirty work -- Elijah Muhammad and other high
ranking ministers (such as Farrakhan) probably knew some NOI members
had been approached to kill Malcolm, and they just turned a blind eye. 
I know a Black man who was actually employed by the CIA at the time. 
He was there when Malcolm X was assassinated (he claims he didn't know 
it was going to happen -- he was just told to be there so that he could 
report on it later). According to him the Audubon audience was "crawling" 
with members of the FBI, CIA, and USIA. It was then that he realized 
something big was going down.

	Darryle
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	I hope they are ALL jokes!

	:-)

	Because al they really do is prove political correctness....

	nothing else...

	-Mike-
From: sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Celebrationng the End of Slavery
Date: 20 Jul 92 20:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

Our city has a very popular 4th of July Celebration which includes a 3-hour
program in a stadium and then some very spectacular fireworks.  The stadium
is located in a neighboorhood where mostly blacks live.

It dawned on me for the first time this year that very few blacks attend this
celebration, although many gather outside the stadium to watch the fireworks.
I assume this is because the 4th of July is not a very meaningful holiday for
Black Americans.  

This led me to wonder if there is any kind of celebration for the abolition
of slavery.  I have never heard of any such celebration and I am wondering
why not.  A friend of mine who is black told me that it really wasn't anything
to celebrate.  I guess she meant that celebrating the end of slavery is just
one more reminder of slavery. 

I would be interested in hearing some other opinions on this subject.

Sharise
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From: clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chris "deephouse" Gray)
Subject: Re: New generation of Conservatism-Welfare Myths
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:11:17 GMT

<FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:

>Recently in Pennsylvania, there was a piece of legislation being passed in
>the state House of Represnetatives concerning welfare recipients and drug
>testing.  The Represenstative is from Chester county which is south of
>Philly.  The bill go something like this: "Welfare recipients rcvg cash will
>have to submit themselves to random drug testing.  If one does not
>participate in the drug testing, or come up positive from test results, then
>all welfare benefits would be eliminated for that individual."

>That's just paraphrasing the bill in the state house at this time.  There
>has been objection to this bill from all sides.  The Representative
>proposing this bill feels he is doing some good "by getting welfare
>recipients off of drugs." This same representative feels projects and other
>low income housing areas are where the drug problems are, and this bill will
>help clean up the problem.

>Sorry for not posting the news article this appeared in but I will try to
>find the source where I got this from.


>Let's hear some comments.  Flame on.

Hmm..ok..then let's have random drug testings of Bankers, Nuclear Physicists,
Presidents, cabinet members, Congress, Secret Services, etc.

Neil Bush, etc.             



>Fred Rozenblad FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: gavan@UCT_elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol"
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:24:26 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
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dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
: I remember hearing a Bob Dylan song, which describes the murder of an
: elderly woman by a young rich punk, who was punished with only a six
: month jail term. The subject line is the song's  name, as far as I can
: recall.

According to All Along the Telegraph, a collection of things
from The Dylan Telegraph, it is indeed. although the events
didn't happen precisely the same way "the Bob" claimed.

The guy in question was, roughly, "William Zantzinger". Not a punk
but a society type. 

The collection is edited by Michael Gray and someone else. Got
some real screamers in it, like the lines in "Empire Burlesque"
lifted from Bogart movies. "I thought that the rain would
clear things up but it looks like it don't". "I don't mind a
reasonable amount of trouble" ...

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Islam/Christianity
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO, USA
Reply-To: carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) 

Hi!

BS>Of course, Islam is a tool of liberation.  And, of course, Muslims
BS>have a duty to worry not only about the hereafter, but also about
BS>this world.  In fact, what we attain in the hereafter, we are
BS>told by the Holy Qur'an, depends on how we organize our lives in this
BS>world.

BS>From day one, the social message of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) went hand
BS>in hand with his theological message.  In Mecca, at the same time that
BS>he announced the Unity of God and denounced pagan idolatry, he also
BS>reprimanded the greed of the pagans, their mistreatment of the poor and
BS>the orphans, and their burrying alive of female infants, and their
BS>dishonesty when dealing with others.   This is perhaps more evident if
BS>we consider the Medinan Muslim society.   Social justice is an integral part
BS>of Islam and it cannot be separated from its theological aspects.

BS>Complete adherence to Islam will create social justice and liberation.
BS>Conversely, *perfect* liberation and social justice cannot be achieved
BS>without Islam.

I've heard that before... not sure, where... It was not in an muslimic
country... Where the heck was it... ummm, was a big building, yes...
Lotsa people... somebody delivering a speech, no, a sermon in the front,
Yeah, a Christian Church!!!

Replace Islam with Christianity in the above and adjust the settings,
voila, you have exactly a sermon by a christian preacherman!
But, what has mankind done with the two religions? What happened? Why
is there no paradise on earth (don't know the islamic equivalent)? WHAT
are these two religions (not to mention all other) doing to fix this
problem? Why must both of them claim to be The Only Holy Truth(tm)?

BS>Behnam Sadeghi

Greetinx, Carl.


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Thank god, I'm atheist
            
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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:00:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.181551.6496@seq.uncwil.edu>,
frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>A Black man will head Charlotte (N.C.) 's Convention and Visitors
>Bureau.  A Black man soon will represent N.C.  in Congress.  The
Governor >of Virginia, head of the College Board, president of the
Ford >Foundation, basketball coach at the University of Mississippi,
chairman >of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - all are Black.
.
SO? It's not the man or the woman, but the POLITICS, babe.
.
>Two thirds of black Americans are solidly middle class.
.
You mean, identify themselves as middle-class.
.
>America has the best record of legal protection for minorities of
all >societies, white, or black...  and offers more opportunities to
a greater >number of Black persons than any other society, including
ALL of AFRICA!
.
Perhaps. Of course, I had a great-grandfather who was threatened
with loss of his life for teaching  other blacks to read and write
(a requisite to beat the Poll Tax, which kept blacks from voting).
I also had a great-grandmother who, most possibly under major
duress, was forced to bear children by  white men.
.
I also understand all those intricacies of how legal protection can
be withheld, or ignored at the election of some elderly ex-governor
to be president, for example.
.
>So quit knocking Uncle Sam, o.k.? American offers the best in
>opportunities for Black people as the world is today. Sure, there
>are many problems here, but I would be devastated if every Black
>person jumped on a big boat and left (went where?). I would lose
>alot of good friends. (But maybe not from this newsgroup).
.
Lincoln thought about doing that (sending us back to Africa), but
the cost was prohibitive.


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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Barkeley is an Asshole.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:26:18 GMT

Regarding Charles Barkley's antics:
.
Charles Barkley is a rich black boy prima donna ass-o-luta. I'm sure
some of the dudes went to the Olympics to play for the sheer joy,
'specially old and decrepit Bird and our straight man Magic.  But
this corporate shit, including separate chic suites and what I read
today about the Nike-bought guys objecting to wearing Reebok (who
sponsors the Olympics) sweats...this Dream Team is greatly
overrated.
.
Barkley does have some merit, but when I heard how he rode the
brothers from Angola (politics or no, they are STILL our black
brothers), it was hard for even supporting folks like me and some
others not to say something bordering on disgust.  I mean, black
folks from all over the world respect us.  I feel pride seeing the
brothers and sisters from England and France as well as Our Own.
But to diss the brothers and sisters who play against us...this is
bad.  Real bad.  And what does that say about our representation?
Stuck on themselves.
.
Hell, I thought Carl Lewis was bad in some ways as well, but this
takes the cake.
.
Re the NY slave cemetery...
.
I'm no fan of Gus Savage but this IS ridiculous.  This reminds me of
stuff re Indian burial grounds in Northern California.
.
Sad to say, we don't know who might be there. We don't know for
example, where the remains of Phillis Wheatley and her baby are.
Sometimes free as well as slave blacks were buried together.  Those
folks' bones should be rededicated and allowed to rest.
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From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 06:50:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.201641.15147@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.163342.3870@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu
>(william carter franklin) writes:
>
>>And by the way, YOU are the name caller ..."blatent moron" I believe 
>>is what you said.  How ugly.  And just because someone does not agree 
>>with your backwards, narrow minded BIGOTED viewpoints.  By the way..  
>>BLATANT is spelled B_L_A_T_A_N_T with another A.  Get an education.  
>>THEN we will talk. 
>
>For those of you keepng score, Mr. Franklin is the 16th white liberal,
>Asian, or otherwise disaffected American on s.c.a.a. in 1992 to pee his
>pants over someone's spelling.
>
>Apparently patriotism is the *second-to-last* refuge of a scoundrel.

I'm rollin'.......................

Yeeeaaah, boyyeeee! I'm out, Mc

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From: Jonathan.Cooper@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jonathan Cooper)
Subject: Conference - Toward a History of the 1960's
Summary: Announcement and Call for papers			
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:55:11 GMT


The State Historical Society of Wisconsin & the University of
Wisconsin-Madison announce a major interdisciplinary scholarly conference:

			TOWARD A HISTORY OF THE 1960'S

Papers are invited on all aspects of the 1960's for a conference to be
held in Madison, April 28, 29, 30, & May 1, 1993.  Papers on the following
subjects are especially encouraged:

	* Freedom Movements		* Popular Culture (Films, Music, Sports,
 	* The New Left				     Dress)
	* Politics and Public Policy	* Radical Education Movements
	* 1968: Global Watershed?	* Radicals in the Professions
	* The Anti-War Movement		* Conservative Political Activism
	* Student Activism		* The Women's Movement
					* The Gay Liberation Movement

Proposals for papers or entire sessions are requested by October 1, 1992. 
For information:
		 R. David Myers, Library Director
		 State Historical Society of Wisconsin
		 816 State Street
		 Madison, WI  53706
		 (608) 264-6529
		 FAX: (608) 264-6520
		 email: david.myers@mail.admin.wisc.edu
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From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDITATION 18
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:33 EDT  


The Divine Mind within me, called by some "subconscious mind", by
others "God" or "Creative Mind", is my great servant, counselor
and protector.  It is not limited by time or space.  It keeps me
from doing anything which might harm me or harm another person. 
It leads me--guides me--into right action at all times.  It is
the source of all my ideas. It leads me into paths of peace.  It
lets no thoughts of fear, anxiety or worry control me, for all
problems in my world are adjusted by this infinite inner mind.  I
depend on it to digest my food, to keep my heart beating, to keep
my blood circulating and all my body processes functioning.  I
choose to let it direct me to be at the right place at the right
time, to do the right thing and to say the right word.  

Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 16:42:15 CDT
From: <U32431@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun

YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT IN YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT CLINTON WILL HELP PULL VOTES T
O BRAUN DOWNSTATE.  SHE WILL HELP HIM IN THE CITY BY PUMPING UP THE AFRICAN_AME
RICAN VOTE.  THE REAL TEST FOR BRAUN WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE THE WESTERN SUBURBS OF
 CHICAGO, SPECIFICALLY, DuPAGE COUNTY.  YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT IN THE DEMOCRATIC
 PRIMARY, MANY SUBURBAN, WHITE, FEMALE VOTERS (REPUBLICANS) CROSSED OVER AND VO
TED FOR BRAUN.  WILL THEY STAY WITH HER IN NOVEMBER.  I HOPE SO, BUT, YOU MUST
REMEMBER THAT PEOPLE FREQUENTLY LIE WHEN ASKED THEIR PREFERENCES WHEN THEY BELI
EVE THEIR PREFERENCE REFLECTS BADLY UPON THEM.  VERY FEW VOTERS IN LOUISIANA AC
KNOWLEDGED THEY WOULD VOTE FOR DAVID DUKE, YET THEY VOTED FOR HIM IN DROVES IN
THE FINAL ANALYSIS.  LET'S WISH BRAUN LUCK.  SHE WILL BE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
HER ELECTION HAS THE POTENTIAL TO RESTORE FAITH MANY PEOPLE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM.
From: myesha@igc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:09 PDT
Subject: Daughters of the Dust
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471600025:000:415
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!myesha    Jul 25 23:09:00 1992


Just saw Daughters of the Dust again on PBS.  I'm completely
stirred up, just as I was when I first saw it.

That it is a must for all Black people is clear.  But the
messages are so many...know ourselves, love ourselves,
honor ourselves.

Are there others out there who've been moved?  Maybe
I'll be better able to express myself later, but for now
what does it do to you?

Beautiful.  A tone.  Emotional.

Myesha
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:33:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul27.155327.17632@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:


>Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
>and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
>WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
>in this world for Black people to live.


Man, are you a know-nothing, or what?

Denmark, Senegal.

There's two.


-- 
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From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:08:57 GMT

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:

>	I'm surprised that Clinton was able to get away with
>	publicly humiliating the Reverend Jessee Jackson.

>	I can understand Clinton's need to re-establish his credibility,
>	but to do so at the Reverend Jackson's expense seems callous
>	and makes a very negative statement about our society.

>		Is it really necessary to bash-away at
>		a respected African American politician
>		in order to gain political credibility?

>	Or is this a new version of the Party,
>	one far less concerned with minority issues
>	and willing to sacrifice loyal supporters to regain power?

I'm kinda curious.  My cable has been cut off, and I don't listen to the
radio for news, so could you please explain what you are talking about?

Is this new or old???

--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.