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From: raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony 27" TV Recommendations?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:16:56 GMT
Organization: Commodore

In article <1992Oct6.171216.12458@tc.cornell.edu> chrisp@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Chris Pelkie) writes:
>In article <35561@cbmvax.commodore.com>, raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design) writes:
>
>|> (doesn't need fancy audio stuff) they are a good match. Also note that
>|> EXR / HSR have test mode feature similar to XBR models.
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> _____________________________________________________________________________
>|> Robert J. Raible		EMAIL:raible@cbmvax.commodore.com
>|> VLSI Program Manager		 or: {uunet|rutgers|pyramid}!cbmvax!raible
>|> Commodore Business Machines     "my comments, not Commodore's, ok ?"
>
>
>I remember reading about this test mode feature, but forgot how to
>engage it. I thought there was something on the back of the set
>to press, but couldn't see it on the show floor model in the local
>electronics toy store. Remind me, please...
>-- 
>Chris Pelkie
>Scientific Visualization Producer
>Cornell Theory Center
>Ithaca, NY 14853-3801
>chrisp@tc.cornell.edu

There is a small hole which gives access to a small button which must be
depressed while the the set is turned on. I believe it is normally found
in the general proximity of the jack panel in th erear of the set. I don't
own such a set so I can't give you a precise fix, however I have 
successfully found the hole in showroom models I examined.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Robert J. Raible		EMAIL:raible@cbmvax.commodore.com
VLSI Program Manager		 or: {uunet|rutgers|pyramid}!cbmvax!raible
Commodore Business Machines     "my comments, not Commodore's, ok ?"
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: A          L           I            E            N          .
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:04:33 GMT
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Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com's message of 9 Oct 92 16:24:34 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Oct 92 16:24:34 GMT, davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Dave Patterson) said:





davepat> spaces included for drama :-)












davepat> It's here!


davepat> 3 disk set, CAV, letterbox, new digital transfer.  2 disks
davepat> are for the movie, 1 entire disk devoted to GOODIES!

davepat> Goodies include: lots of pix, O'Bannon's original draft,
davepat> interviews, and some deleted scenes *completely* restored!
davepat> (Including the (in)famous cocoon scene near the end of the
davepat> film!).  Unfortunately, I haven't gotten all the way through
davepat> all the goodies, but tonight...

I have. The supplements are exellent. A must have for Alien fans.
The original stuff by O'Bannon was great. Some of the scenes were very
similar to Dark Star, which I thought was amusing. Like the
conversation in the bubble, talking about space and time.

davepat> Nice transfer.  My only nitpick is that the sound transfer
davepat> was a bit on the quiet side, (I needed to turn the volume up
davepat> a bit, but that's okay too :)).

Well I haven't watched the movie itself yet. If I have to crank all 5
speakers, so be it :)

davepat> Hmmm.  I guess I got to be the first one here, (at least on
davepat> my machine!).

Na... I posted to rec.video.releases

davepat> (Oh yeah, after tax, license, and dock fees, it was $US 83 +
davepat> change as a preorder from LaserLand in Cupertino, CA)

Mine was $84 and some change from Sight & Sounds in Waltham, MA

--
 Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: VIDEO FORMATS
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:37:04 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Oct4.183903.27799@njitgw.njit.edu>, subu@sensors.njit.edu
(Ayyagari V. Subramanyam) writes:
>Hi there:
>
>Difference between composite and RGB is pretty much obvious. But other
> video formats always confuses me. 
>Anybody out there let me know what exactly distinguishes each of these
> Video Formats:
> 1) VHS format
> 2) S-VHS format
> 3) YUV Video
> 4) Y/C Video
> 5) S-Video
>
>I will summarize if there is interest. Thanks in advance.
>
>Subu
>subu@sensors.njit.edu
1 VHS stands for video home system.  It is the normal format most people use at
home.  It is a 2 or 4 head heilical scan componant system.
2 SVHS is a modification of VHS which uses Y/C video

3 I've never heard of YUV Video.

4 Y/C Video is a kind of componant system that splits the information into
Luminance and chromanance (value and hue).  In SVHS, these signals are handled
and recorded separately.  They are only transformed into composite going into
the monitor (if even then--see S-Video)

5 S-Video is another name for Y/C video.  It refers specifically to the s-video
cable which is used to carry the separate componant signals between decks or to
an S-video capable monitor.
hope this helps.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.video
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:34:07 -0400 
From: Jeffrey_Prem@transarc.com
Subject: SVHS VCRs and mail order

Hi all,

I'm in the market for a SVHS VCR, and I'm currently considering the
following three VCRs: JVC 6800, Panasonic 4280, and Mitsubishi U67.
I haven't been able to get much marketing literature, and the video
magazines seem to be worthless for communicating specifications, so
I've summarized the features that are important to me below.  Remember
this information is synthesized from a number of dubious sources, so
I'd really like to hear about any corrections to my flawed
perceptions.

      Index  Flying Jog     Manual     Fast      Real Time Mail Order
      Search Erase  Shuttle Rec. Level Transport Counter   Price
6700    Y      Y      Y        N          ?         Y       ~580
4280    Y      Y      Y        Y          ?         Y       ~600
U67     Y      Y      Y        Y          Y         Y       ~670

I assume that the picture and audio quality is comparable, but I'd
certainly appreciate any opinions to the contrary.  I'm in desperate
need of a way to differentiate these things.  As you may have guessed,
I'm not very interested in many editing features.  I simply want
high quality video an audio reproduction with a few of the
conveniences.

I'd like to hear opinions on mail order places that stock these VCRs.
I've heard good things about Camera World of Oregon, but they don't
carry any but the 6700.  Smile Photo seems to have good prices, and
ElectroWorks makes good claims--does anyone have any experience with
these places?  Are there any other reputable mail order places that I
should consider?

Thanks in advance,
Jeff Prem (jdp@transarc.com)
Transarc Corp.
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: FAQ about UK format video!
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:14:52 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: sometimes, but never early in the morning

I just got a UK video (VHS) in the mail that I should have got two months
ago when i was over there and could have watched it.

i did encounter machines there that could handle US as well as UK formats,
now I'm looking for one here that can do the same thing!

i know i can probably pay $30 to get somebody to do a professional dub, is
that the only option open to me (and where can that be done in Atl area?)

email please, thanks.


-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In a world of mega-stores, mega-stars, mega-sales and mega-hype, there is little
room left for the individual with a magaphone.  Everything is being brought in
line with everything else.   ERIC GOULDEN, 1990
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Any good LD and video magazine available ?
From: kfriedman@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:11:49 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

 
> 
> If possible could someone please give me the publish address, phone and fax
> no. I would like to subscribe a good magaine with a lot of features on LD
> and home theaters stuffs.
> 
>

> 

One excellent magazine is "The Perfect Vision".  P.O. Box 6384 Syracuse, New
York 13217. Fax: 516-676-5469.  Most articles are more "technical" than "Video"
magazine and often they give more information than I really need, but this
magazine is a great alternative to the usual video articles we all see. 
Laserdiscs, hardware, sound, and film technology is covered. It's $26.00 a
year + $15.00 for subscriptions outside North America.
From: USERX@PLWRTU11.BITNET ("ANDREW MICHALSKI.UL.LOKIETKA 14.WROCLAW.")
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: (none)
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:03:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 11:22:06 CET

Hi everyone,
 1.   I was wondering if someone could explain why test signal from  VCR
     is deforming on my new TV.It look like this:

                     ||||||||||||||||||
                     ||   ||  ||     ||
                     ||   ||  ||     ||
                     ||   ||  ||     ||
                     ||   //  //     || The belts are broken on the left
                     |||||||||||||||||| on down of the screen.
                                        The belts are broken cirka 2 cm from
                                        down.
When I playback tape everything is OK!!


                                Thanks in advance
                                             Andrew.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: HDTV Myths (again) - don't believe the hype
Organization: Department of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
	<1992Oct6.190054.15059@news.media.mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.190054.15059@news.media.mit.edu>
wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes:

 |We have a 40" HiVision (the current commercial version of HDTV in Japan)
 |monitor here in the Computer Graphics & Animation Lab.  It's hooked up 
 |to our SGI SkyWriter, and is driven in real time.  It's nice, but 
 |James (Millick & Cameron) is right on the money - it's not even close to 
 |35mm projected film.  I mean, it's still interlaced, for God's sake!

 The Hi[hai]Vision he mentioned is a Japanese HDTV display.
60 FPS, non-interlaced. Maybe medialab is using HDTV board.

 |Please, don't believe the hype.  

 The comparison is meaningless. HDTV is a TV that we see
direct light. The blackness of TV picture depends on how
black the tube surface is, and that of movie depends on
how the room is dark enough to show the screen black.

 |The Audience Research group here at the Media Lab did a great study a 
 |few years back which I participated in (just as a subject, not as  a
 |researcher).  We (the subjects) dubbed it "the Living Room of the Future".
 |They built a living room here at the Lab in the Cube, our experimental
 |media facility (akin to a soundstage at Universal).  They decked it out
 |to look like the standard suburban rec room, with two important differences.
 |One wall had four monitors built into it - two HiVision, two NTSC.  The 
 |other wall was actually rear projected ShowScan.  They showed us the same
 |program material (shot on ShowScan, downconverted to the other formats)
 |and had us rate them with little slider thingies.  I can't speak for the 
 |research results, but my opinion was that the ShowScan was great (although
 |still not as "great" as I would have expected, oddly) and the HiVision
 |and NTSC were indistinguishable, but certainly way down from the ShowScan.

 First, showscan is not current movie(60FPS!!!). Second, in
this experiment, the source of HDTV should be HDTV. What HDTV
theater means is that the program shown should be taken by
HDTV camera, recorded by HDTV VCR, edited by HDTV digital
equipments, and distributed by HDTV (total Digitally, if
possible). Sony showroom in Ginza(one of Tokyo) has this
theater. Optically, UDTV(2250) would have the close quality
to 35mm.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Akira Mito(E-Mail:t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
  Junior@SFC(Keio Univ. Shownan Fujisawa Campus) 
  Department: Environmental Information (It's so COOL,isn't it?)
  Director of the SFC Hi-Vision Club, and member of SFC TiME, C-music.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: cptvideo@ixstar.ih.att.com (D. Vlack)
Subject: Re: Help Save My Sony 27" TV
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.073846.1@mdcbbs.com> gutierrez@mdcbbs.com writes:
>You're exactly right about the Sony Trinitron picture tube as one-gun, one
>lens system.  The single gun fires the three electron beams (red, green &
>blue) unlike other tv's which uses three separate guns to fire those beams.
>From that single gun, the three beams pass through the single but large
>lens and into the Sony's cylindrical screen.
>
Yes, but the gun has three cathodes and three filiments. I have seen an
open cathode connection kill one of the primary colors but I agree that
something in the blue drive circuitry is probably more likely.

Dave V.
From: bhc@mayhem.East.Sun.COM (Bart Calder - Sun BOS Software)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Does S-Video work?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:25:33
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mayhem.east.sun.com

Hi,

I recently bought a 32" Sony Trinitron TV/Monitor (not XBR).  One of
the reasons I bought it was to take advantage of the S-Video output of
my LaserDisc player.  After spending $25 and connecting it up, I was
disappointed to see no difference between regular video (via the RCA
connector) and S-Video.  They both look great of course, just the
same.  I was using a very colorful high quality laser disk (Kirasowa's
'Dreams'), had it connected correctly, and had the TV reading the
correct video input.  I figure one of the following must be the case:

1) I hooked it up wrong.  (probably not)

2) I am blind. (could happen?)

3) The TV looks so good with ANY video, that one (one == me) can't
   tell the difference.

4) Its a plot to sell expensive cables.  

Any comments, answers or flames would be appreciated!

  --Bart

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Bart Calder                                                        //
// SunSoft Boston Development Center                                  //
// Billerica MA                         Email: bhc@suneast.sun.com    //
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Need Phone # for Kenwood of America
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:15:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


Bought a KR-V9030 combined receiver (demo unit, $500) when Highland closed.
Unfortunately, the salesdroids couldn't find the manuals for it.

I need to get Kenwood's number to ask for a replacement.

BTW, is RC-8540 the correct remote for it?

P.S.  PLEASE e-mail.  Nowadays I don't have time to read yet another
newsgroup.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: ntmtv!lchan@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re:  Sony trinitron vs panasonic GAO ??	
Organization: Northern Telecom
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:34:09 GMT

In article <pvh-091092125014@kip2-27.apple.com> pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
writes:
>If a flat tube is what you're looking for, the new Sony XBR2 (squared) line
>coming out this week in the US has Trinitron Super tubes as flat as the
>Panasonic super flats.  Here in the states the models and their approximate
>retail price follows:
>
>KV27XBR95S $1900
>KV32XBR95S $2600
>
>I've always thought the Panasonics, as nice as they are, have a picture
>that looks 'blacker' than it should.  
>
>I haven't seen the new Sonys, but I've seen the Japanese brochures and
>these new tubes are almost black.  Maybe the picture they produce will end
>up looking similar to the Panasonic's.  When looking at sets one should
>always wrench the remote from the sales person's hands and adjust the video
>settings more realistically.
>
>name: Pete Helme
>work: Apple Computer, Inc.
>mail: pvh@apple.com
>

Are these models different from the regular XBR line??? I got a '93
XBR catalog and it does not mention these models.  Also, the only
superflat tubes mentioned was a 27" model.  What are other features
of these new sets?

Thanks...Laurence Chan
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Godfather Aspect Ratio -Text Fixed
Date: 7 Oct 1992 10:44:14 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu

In article <81227@ut-emx.uucp> copold@panam.edu (Steve Copold) writes:
>
>Does anyone happen to know the original aspect ratio of the Godfather
>films? I've never seen, or heard of, a letterboxed or matted version.
>Does this mean that they were shot at the older format of 1.37:1 ? If
>yes, is this something Coppola did to maintain the atmosphere of the 30's
>gangster film's when he set up the composition of the shots?...

It's been 18 years since I saw Godfather II in a theatre, but I'm
reasonably sure that it was a wide-screen movie. Also, judging 
from my taped copy of the Godfather saga, it was not soft-matted
(too much detail would have been lost in the top/bottom of some
scenes).
This, by the way, is a question that has been asked several times
on the net, with no definitive response. Maybe this time?

Doug
From: d_luk@pavo.concordia.ca (LUK, DEREK)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: hdtv is dead
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:18:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

For all those who were waiting for HDTV to arrive at our pleasure...

HDTV
 is (c)Officialy
                    d e a d .

The FCC were going to slowly phaze in HDTV during the next decade, and
xout NTSC. It was decided later that HDTV should be at a digital level
(which the Americans were researching on) to replace the regular analog HDTV
signal from the japanese. However - if HDVT was in full effect thru the 
western hemisphere,... the japanese would OWN IT ALL, and complete control
the HDTV market with its technology as they had developed HDTV in the first
place. At the moment, USA and UK have closed the doors on HDTV for good,
and are ongoing with readily developments of USDigitalTV, where the two
will work together to develop to a 100% perfect level to be used as a new
international standard level (ie. no more screw ups like NTSC, PAL, SECAM,
it will all be *1* which is USDTV). Little stands to condemn this decision,
as a great invention is to be produced, once again, buy the ones who
developed NTSC in the first place. There will be little room for the japanese
to improve upon USDTV, as with technology level USA is at today pretty high
in the digital field. The Japanese has already invested billions and billions
and relentless hours and hours and years on perfecting HDTV - with hopes to
control the market in the future at a world wide level - only now to cry and
beg for a piece of the pie that USA and UK will now cook up in the oven.

People, it's looking good for this country. Once again, we'll most likely
see new USDTV vcrs and letterboxed tv screens coming from RCA, and more
people owning them, than people buying Sony, Mitshibishi, etc. etc., both
the consumer and industrial field.

This yet - must have been the best news I have heard in the past year.
Favouring the japanese culture myself (here is another animation fan, yup),
but I do not live in Japan, and would rather the tables turned for USA to
start climbing the economic ladder that Japan has shot ahead with its
cars, a/v equipment, and entertainment (notice half the videos played on
MTV are owned by Sony Music!).

An exact article of this source news will be made available at this echo,
so stay tuned!

Bye bye hdtv...

I B out.
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: What is SVHS Really?
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:14:41 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <4246@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<In article <cicero.1lxk@hotcity.COM> cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:
<<In response to a posting of mine, I have gotten a bit of mail informing me that
<<I was incorrect in my statement that in SVHS, the Y and C signals are recorded
<<separately on the tape.  :o
<
<They are recorded separately, in a fashion.  They are separate in that the
<luminance and color signals are separated from the NTSC video signal.  They
<are recorded on the same place on the video tape though, using the same heads.
<But, they really are separate.  That is why it is also called a color under
<recording system.

	But then so is the standard VHS.  By this definition of separate
recording every home video tape system is "separated".  Andreas wants to know 
what makes S-VHS so special that it warrants a new (Y/C) connector.  My
understanding is that all S-VHS did was to shift the luminance carrier
higher to get a more detailed black and white picture underneath the usual
slightly blurry color.  For the true color consumer has only one choice: laser.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Help Save My Sony 27" TV
From: gutierrez@mdcbbs.com
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:38:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: gutierrez

In article <1992Oct7.154028.15358@linus.mitre.org>, m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.075259.1@mdcbbs.com> gutierrez@mdcbbs.com writes:
>> ...the colors [on a Sony tv] suddenly became predominantly green and 
> red...
>> Is there anybody out there who can tell me if I can still
>> `save' my Sony, other than buying a new picture tube...
> 
> Ummm... I'm not a TV repair kind of guy, but I'll go out on a limb here.
> I thought the whole point behind the Sony Trinitron tube was there there
> was only one electron gun, not three as in other tubes.  Therefore,
> if you are seeing any picture at all, it seems to me that the tube must
> be working.  This points to the electronics that drives the tube. 
> Sounds like whatever provides the blue signal is out to lunch.  Maybe
> it's just a bad IC or something on the "blue" board, wherever that is.
> Good luck: I have a similar set, and I like it a lot too.
> 
> ************************
> * These are my opinions only.*
> ************************


You're exactly right about the Sony Trinitron picture tube as one-gun, one
lens system.  The single gun fires the three electron beams (red, green &
blue) unlike other tv's which uses three separate guns to fire those beams.
From that single gun, the three beams pass through the single but large
lens and into the Sony's cylindrical screen.

About the images which are coming out for right now, well, I see no dis-
tortion, the pictures are still sharp, sound quality super, the images are
still filling the whole diagonal screen; in short, everything's fine except
for the colors -- they're all green and red!

You may also be right, Mike, about the blue drive/board having "gone to
lunch" (more likely, it "rode out into the sunset"). I checked the "C"
board (the picture tube IC) and the transistorized part called B-Drive 
looked burnt (with shades of black and gray all over) whereas the R-Drive
and G-Drive looked clean and no black/gray coatings.

I think I'm now sufficiently "armed" with enough info (thanks zilions to 
all you guys who took the time and effort to share with me your experiences
and expertise).  I am now going to call Sony and find out if I need a new
picture tube or I simply have to buy a new "C" board.  I will post the
results, whatever they might be!

Again, to Mike White, Arnie Berger, ALLAM(???) from Ohio, Will McCown, and
others, my personal thanks.

Dante