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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Political Correctness Bullshot
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It has been pissing me off for months now, on the list, all these
turkeys saying something is "politically correct", and now someone
whom I will not name is saying it about this piece of poetic text
by Ms. Maya.  Saying that something is really "politically correct"
is implying that the speaker is not sincere, but just trying to
fit in with the currently acceptable ideology.  So, what it
reveals is the ultra-conservative, reactionary mindset of the
pompous ass making the statement.
I say, and I am probably right, that it is possible to align
oneself with the currently acceptable ideology because one
believes it to be <right>, or <just> or <whatever>, and that
does *not* make one an insincere doltrk trying one's best to
be a ***today*** sort of guy/gal.
SO, if I say Hello Ms. Maynor, I am recognizing that the person
I am speaking to (our own beloved Natalie) is what she is whether
she is *married* or *not*....
If Maya sticks all this multiculturalist dogma into her poetry
(if you want to call it poetry: I, myself, don't like it *at*
*all*), it is perhaps maybe just by chance because she really,
sincerely believes all that and you call-it-pc-if-it-offends-you
folks can just pick your respective noses until you get your own
kind back in the Casa Blanca.
Having said that, I will go pack for my trip to Richmond, VA.
Must watch the tc/sw *do* an opening of her Czech poster show.
--ggs
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:48:13 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Shark

>>Suppose they all did originate
>>in Shakespeare's mind/imagination. Can 'we' not say they were born
>>out of nothing?
>
>Shakespeare's brain is not nothing.

Can someone write up an understandable summary of this exchange? What
is the information content of the sentence "words come from somewhere"?

tushar
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Date: 26 Jan 93 17:14:03 GMT
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  >I can't think of what they can possibly be called other than "sutra"s
  >(in Sanskrit) or "sutta"s (in Pali). I thought that all of the Buddhist
  >suttas were in the Sutta-pitaka, but of course I was only going by the
  >name.

  Since I'm now at home, I can answer with easy authority, by quoting
Edward Conze.

  "What has survived of the scriptures exists now in 3 great collections:

   I. The Pali Tripitaka.

      This contains the scriptures of one of the Hinayana schools, the Thera-
      vadins. The scriptures of other Hinayana schools are partly preserved
      in Sanskrit and Chinese, but the greater number of them is lost.
      ...

  II. The Chinese Tripitaka.
      Its composition is less rigidly fixed, and it has varied in the course
      of time. The oldest Catalogue, of 518 A.D., mentions 2,113 works,
      of which 276 are still in existence. ...
      ...

  III. The Tibetan Kanjur and Tanjur.
      ......

   IV. A number of Sanskrit works are preserved, but there exists no collection
       or Canon of them."
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:13:34 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cloudy skies over Portland
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I once fell in love in one of those "tourist ghetto hotels" in Russell
Square.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Susan's Sport/Leisure Question
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>> "What country's presence at the 1976 Olympics caused a boycott by almost
>> all African nations?"
>
>South Africa, I'm guessing.
>
>> If you're right, you have a chance at the lead as well, but do you think the
>> dice will roll a 2 or 6 at the next round?
>
>Probably a six.
>
>-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------

Finally..... a message from across the Pacific.... unfortunately it didn't
bring 'good news'.

It was New Zealand.... I think it was because they sent a sporting team to
South Africa, when most over countries had decided not to do that as a
statement against apartheid.

Carolyn
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:19:21 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shirt.gif
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I'm tired of teal.  I like the idea of light gray with red or navy print.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:18:56 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Airport fun...
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What's Zazen?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:16:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Political Correctness Bullshot
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> Well said, giggles.  We're thinking about ordering "athletic" gray
> t-shirts because we happen to like the color, not because they're FC,
                                                                  ^^^^
> right?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

F...ing right on!
--ggs
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:49:00 EST
From:         CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Clouds over Portland

Greetings,

ggs makes some very good points.  We may have crossed some sort of e-rubicon
and portland may be cast in cement for some wordslingers.  At the risk of
being accused of changing bandwagons in midstream, I must say I can live
with several permutations.  I'd very much like to visit the pacific
northwest this summer, but I could make myself comfortable in NC as well f
if a suitable site can be found.  I doubt any site will compare with
Providence and it may be fantasy to expect it to.  Maybe we could all go
together and hire some recently unemployed list personality to
organize us?

Marty
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:30:12 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Yes
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> Sure!  The list has a name and nodeid, just as any other person on the
> 'Net.  Of course, if you do, you might get in a whole lot of trouble.

You would have to fake mail to send the sub command with the list address,
though.  The only other way would be for the listowner of the list the other
list was subscribing to to add the list.  (I have a feeling that my last
sentence was not the most elegant sentence I've ever written.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What do you know about Elizabeth City, NC?

>Easy one. You can't tell them from the fish with your eyes closed.
>
>-abh

As long as I can tell them from the fish with their eyes closed. ;-)

-K

-Mka
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:41:34 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Maya's poem
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              93 8:45 am

> That isn't surprising.  I never heard of Indians being referred to as
> Asians until the Ugandan expulsions, when the refugees were referred
> to as 'Ugandan Asians'.  Before that, Asians had pretty much always
> meant people from Asia, ie Chinese.

C'mon, people from Asia, i.e., Chinese??  Never heard that before. Indians
are Asians as are Chinese, Iraqis, Iranians, Israelis etc.  Most of the forms
that track such things have one box for Asians and Pacific Islanders, if I
remember right.

-rashmi
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:15:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: VERSES FOR SMITH
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> >I cannot say how *dumb* I think these verses are.
>
> Giggles ah most mercifully can you look beyond mere fucking appearances?
> For when we are concerned with honest emotion why shouldst thou care
>                                                     about fancy nuances?
>
> I did (by the gods I swear I honestly did) attempt to apply my best poetic
> powers
> And thoughts should matter more than words, Oh! just like goddamned thorns
> less than a rose plant's delicate newly-opened flowers!
>
> tushar

Ohmygod they are getting worse!  The powers/flowers rime is o.k., though
somewhat hackeneyed (hackneyed).... but the appearance/nuance is
defective....  try "fucking appearance/fancy-a-near-ance" for a clever
turn of phrase.
In spite of these lame attempts at versification, I must admit that I
am really *moved* by the thought....  In fact, I feel like I have been
fucking fondled.
--ggs (like that guy in the hospital who had his Sinclar cinched by
       an unidentified orderly....)
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:30:47 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: a couple of points

>> That's OK, I believe you.  I didn't buy in to tushar's theory anyway.
>> Still, you're in a good position to do a little snooping for us, no?
>
>Erm, Joan wondered if it was blomberg, tushar said that was "impossible",
>I said it was unlikely, but possible.
>
>Just wanted to clear that up.

Graham's random interpretations of what he reads are very old. What worries
me is guys like Blomberg joining the gang. It's not as if I didn't write
in english either.

As for Graham, losing out to Peter Montgomery is humiliation enough. Why
add to it?

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:48:52 EST
From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (76
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Pondered by Akio:

>13) Guido Sarducci (Blomberg)

The performance name of Don Novello, a comedian whose shtick consists entirely
of assuming the persona of an Italian emigrant priest. He is not, to say the
least, reverent towards the RC hierarchy, or the RC anything, for that matter.
He first entered my consciousness on the old--i.e., original--SNL, where he
would do commentary on the news, though I forget whether he predated, postdated
or was a contemporary of Roseanne Rosannadanna or Emily Latella (speaking,
giggles, of presidential erections).

>15) Three-inch John Henry (?)

Graham has already explained this, although I remember it first being used in
the funniest (to me) bit in Monty Python's History of the World II.

Incidentally, Graham, wwcem114@sivm belongs to a very nice woman named Peggy
Noonan, who was lending me her account until I got one of my own. (Kudos to
Rashmi and Evelyn!)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:47:37 GMT
From:         G <g@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: signoff
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        Speaking of what net life should be, WORDS-L failed to get a mention
        in a current article on network mailing lists.  The author is Adam Begle
y,
        identified as a freelance writer and book critic.  His article,

You can't take anyone seriously writing about the net of you don't
immediately recognise their name.  Probably one of those fidonet or
bitnet nonentities who has never seen the real net...
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:14:10 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      wombat and possum
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The pwdauth demon finally let me on Ra, so here's the real test.  It was
a bit pokey, but otherwise seemed fine:

mail lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Testing...
This is a test.
EOT
:-) lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au... Connecting to wombat.newcastle.edu.au via
 tcp...
mail exchanger is possum.newcastle.edu.au
Trying 134.148.4.16...  connected.
220 POSSUM.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU -- Server SMTP (PMDF#2421  V4.1)
>>> HELO Ra.MsState.Edu
250 POSSUM.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU OK.
>>> MAIL From:<maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu>
250 Address Ok.
>>> RCPT To:<lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>
250 lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au OK.
>>> DATA
354 Enter mail, end with a single ".".
>>> .
250 Ok.
>>> QUIT
221 Bye received. Goodbye.
lncjb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au... Sent
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:05:02 GMT
From:         G <g@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: raison d'Somalia
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        Beginning in 1986, COnoco, along with Amoco, Chevron, Philips and, brief
ly,
        SHell all sought and obtained exploration licenses for northern Somalia
        from Siad Barre's government.  SOmalia was soon carved up into
        concessional blocks, with Conoco, Amoco, and Chevron winning the right t
o
        explore and exploit the most promising ones.

        I wonder how many papers have carried this story?

That info was on alt.conspiracy a month or so back.  Of course any time I
mention anything off that group, Frank pooh-poohs it as a refuge of
nutters...

G
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:33:43 CST
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Subject:      Re: Bye for now

>Has he gone chopin?  (And didn't we do this on the liszt recently?)

Secuends ago, it seems to me like. Just how many goddamned times, RUSHmi?

Um, something's probably wrong with this ...

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:55:20 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shirt.gif
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> John
> (the gif.less)

I don't understand why all these people are gifless -- unless, of course,
their only computer access is a dumb terminal.  Is that the case?  There
are shareware gif viewers floating around everywhere on and off of the net.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:38:02 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Question for Torkel
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Is it true that Danes and Swedes can understand Norwegian more easily than
Norwegians can understand Danish or Swedish and that Danes can understand
more Swedish than Swedes Danish?  If so, why?  Or is it a matter of Danes
and Swedes claiming to understand more Norwegian than Norwegians claim
about Danish or Swedish and that Danes claim to understand more Swedish
than Swedes claim to understand Danish?  If so, why the claims?

(All of the above is talking about people who haven't formally studied
the other languages, of course.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) says:

>> Me too. how about oatmeal?  That's sort of like grey, but a little
>> warmer. Looks good with Purple, Teal, Red, Navy lettering.
>
>I thought oatmeal was sort of vomit colored.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

More like beige drab.  It is pretty disgusting, though - I even like
athletic grey better. [which isn't saying much]

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Subject:      Re: Shirt.gif
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>From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>
>I'm tired of teal.  I like the idea of light gray with red or navy print.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Me too. how about oatmeal?  That's sort of like grey, but a little
warmer. Looks good with Purple, Teal, Red, Navy lettering.

jenna
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>That was fast! Croquet was right. And I'm glad that wombat is alive and kicking
>again! :)

So am I!

>What constellation represents a hunter with club and shield?

Oh goody... finally one I know.... that's Orion.

>You got a one - that gives you Geography or Entertainment.
>
>Emily

No, that gives me lose a turn and since round 5 is not quite ready to start
yet, I'll take the break.

Carolyn
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:44:24 EST
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Subject:      Re: signoff
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Posted on 25 Jan 1993 at 02:29:30 by Rashmi
>> As long as WORDS-L isn't interested in following civilised rules,
>> then it shouldn't expect my participation (or anybody else's for
>> that matter) to be anything else than uncivilised.
>
>I don't recall anyone making an issue of this.

Anyone besides Peter, you mean?

Karen
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From: tjl9@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Thomas J Lee)
Subject: Re: Tshirt colors
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:48:30 GMT

Bernard Chien Perro writes:

BCP>P.S.  You *do* sound specist, btw.  I think Natalie looks better without
BCP>clothes on.  Yet nobody has raised the question of why the human members
BCP>of the list need shirts.

	I don't know about the other fur-challenged members of the list, but
*this* one would freeze to death without a shirt, as the physical plant
people here in the library haven't yet mastered radiator technology.

Tom Lee
brrr
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From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@FLARE.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question for Torkel
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tushar says:
> >    So say the Dane, the Swede, the Norwegian1, the Norwegian2.
> >    They all hear
> >    The speaking of the Tree.
>
> I'd say a digraph is more appropriate than a tree.

ROFL -- I've been preparing an advanced data structures & algorithms
course for next semester -- lots of graph coloring -- laughed so loud
I awakened sleeping cats here in my study --- at least not my husband as
well (he would not have appreciated the joke nor would have liked being
awakened) --

thanks, Tushar.

Joan

P.S. alt.fan.wodehouse arrived here today so be on the lookout all you
fans.  The last episode of Jeeves & Wooster II aired this week on Masterpiece
Theatre.
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From:         Judith Schrier <guest3@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Yep
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Guest3 is still listed in Judith's name and still has the same password.
But it's being used by a beagle now.
                o/.\____/
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From:         Anne <harwell@BANDW.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Why mainframes will die
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DEC evidently believes I have nothing better to do than sit around and wait for
them to return a phone call about purchasing some Ultrix manuals. "Someone will
call you sometime today," was the word from the receptionist. If I hapen to be
out when they call, then I'm forced back into another 12-hour waiting period.
Haven't these people heard of Customer Support? I don't want to talk to the CEO
for heavens sake. This mainframe mindset is why companies that treat their
customers this way are dying, and good riddance to them.

-abh
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Subject:      Dino doo doo - not to be confused with cloo doo

Upon reading "The dinosaur, who left dry tokens" The first word
that plopped into my head was "coprolites"  They're quite the
rage at fossil shows.
                                                Br Paul
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From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@RA.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: abh's Sport/Leisure Question
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> >> "What female suspect in the game of Cluedo is single?"
> >
> >Nurse Ratched?
> >
> >-abh
>
> Hmmm.... not familiar with Cluedo, then? The answer is Miss Scarlet.

I'm glad that Cluedo is not familiar to someone else -- Carolyn,
what is it? Anything like the Parker Brothers' game Clue?

Joan
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Subject:      Re: Thunderbird

> >>> 3) Thunderbird ==  is a really *cheap* wine, was about 50 cents a
> >>
> >>Well, none of us <admit> to it anyway....  Thunderbird was part of the
> >>pantheon of rotgut wines that included Gypsy Rose (drink a bottle and
> >>take off your clothes) and Night Train.
>
> "Bali Hai, I hear you  calling....."
> That stuff was even cheaper (and, as I recall, fortified)

I forgot Bali Hai.  Probably because I never tried it.  I think they
probably were all cooked up in the same greasy vat, bottled, and given
different labels.

Recipe for the Skid Row Martini: Everclear Pure Grain Alcohol and
Gypsy Rose....

Ken
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