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From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Glycemic Index Book
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:22:09 GMT

In article <1asuh0INNi2l@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> 
    cdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu (Charles Dillon) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.010534.25379@spdc.ti.com>
>    culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper) writes:
>>
>>  Can anyone recommend a good book that lists the glycemic indexes of most
>>foods? Anyone? Anyone?
>>
>Do you mean Jenkins' study on how fast the carbohydrates in certian foods 
>hit the blood stream?  This study only covered 60 different foods, and
>is in dispute in some circles.   But I may be wrong. (make that 'frequently')

Well, in this case, you're batting a thousand :-)

Glycemic index indicates the expected hormonal response to ingestion of
a unit quantity of a carbohydrate.  Glucose is the reference, at 100.
Fructose is (if memory serves correctly) 47.  This means that a gram of
glucose will induce twice the insulin response of a gram of fructose.
Maltose is 140 !

Interestingly enough, many complex carbs have much higher glycemic indices 
than fruit sugar -- bread, potatoes, pasta, etc. are considered "high
glycemic" foods.

I have seen lists, but don't know of a book -- I'll look. In the meantime,
someone may post a list...
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: Milk Press Conference
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:34:16 GMT

In article <3OCT92.14262977@nerus.pfc.mit.edu> mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>
>I'll play devil's advocate here, even though I am not an advocate of diary:
>
>In a previous article, wheeler@super.org (Ferrell S. Wheeler) wrote:

[...]

>>LACTOSE:  Many people of Asian and African heritage are unable to digest the
>>milk sugar, lactose, which then causes diarrhea and gas. The lactose sugar
>>when it is digested, releases galactose, a simple sugar which is linked to
>>ovarian cancer and cataracts.
>>
>
>Is the latter sentence true?  I would be interested in knowing.  Do people in
>non-diary cultures not get cataracts?

   GALACTOKINASE DEFICIENCY:

	An inability to metabolize galactose due to a deficiency of the
	enzyme galactokinase, INHERITED AS AN AUTOSOMAL RECESSIVE DEFECT.
	[...emphasis added...]

	The gene for this enzyme is located on the long arm of chromosome 17.
	As in the more common galactosemia, plasma and urinary galactose
	concentrations are elevated, but no GI or brain disturbances occur.
	Unless galactose is removed from the diet, cataracts develop rapidly
	because of the accumulation of galactitol in the lens.  Enzyme tests
	for galactose-l-phosphate uridyl transferase are normal, but
	galactokinase activity is absent in the erythrocytes.

   GALACTOSEMIA:

	A metabolic abnormality, INHERITED AS AN AUTOSOMAL RECESSIVE TRAIT,
	[...emphasis added...] involving conversion of galactose to glucose,
	caused by absence of the enzyme galactose-l-phosphate uridyl trans-
	ferase.

	The gene for this enzyme is located on the short arm of chromosome 9.
	In this disorder, galactose and galactose-l-phosphate accumulate in
	many tissues damaging them by interfering with their normal metabolic
	processes.  The incidence in Great Britain is about 1 in 80,000
	births, ....

	....The infant appears normal at birth, but within a few days of
	being fed with milk, ...the child becomes anorexic, vomits, ceases
	to grow, and becomes jaundiced....

	....If treatment is delayed, the child remains physically stunted
	and mentally retarded, and many have cataracts;.....

   REFERENCE: Merck Manual, 15th edition, 1987.

   Personal note: although I'm not CERTAIN, I believe that lactose (and thus
			galactose)is a component of ALL mammalian milk...even
			human.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)


Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Buzz in your fruit juice
Keywords: alcohol, fruit juice
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: sci
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:46:27 GMT

Can any one tell me the amount (% by volume) of alcohol in commercially
available fruit juices.  I'm sure its a fairly wide range (e.g.,
'organic' unpasturized stuff being high, pop fruit drinkds being low).

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mwnorman@bcarh929bnr.ca (Michael Norman)
Subject: Re: Gluten content of "unusual" grains
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.150053.22862@ils.nwu.edu>, feifer@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.230914.10904@samba.oit.unc.edu>
... (lines deleted (MWN)
>
>I am also interested in the original poster's question:  Can anyone comment on
>the gluten content of buckwheat, millet, quinoa, amaranth, kamut, and spelt?
>
>
Well, I once had a room-mate who suffered from Celiac's disease.  She
was one of the 'lucky' ones who could digest oatmeal-products, so
oat-bran muffins became a staple around the house.

We tried EVERYTHING: buckwheat, millet, quinoa, amaranth, kamut, and spelt,
rice, potato, tapioca, cous-cous, etc, etc ....
Basically, wheat-gluten is unique to wheat, rye and barley.  Just about
everything else either doesn't have it, or its version of gluten is
different enough chemically that it doesn't irritate the stomach lining.
Hint: cooking with these flours/grains is interesting, but things will
NOT look like cakes or cookies or pancakes(etc, etc) that you are
used to. Modern baking recipes and techniques depend HEAVILY on the
binding and stretching capabilities of gluten!!
------------
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P.O. Box 3511 Station 'C' Ottawa 
Ontario Canada K1Y 4H7 M/S 115      Internet: mwnorman@bnr.ca
tel: (613) 763-7717 (FAX:613-763-7742) 
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw)
Subject: Need sources for books/homeopathy
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:49:07 PDT

Can anyone help me find a copy of the USDA Ag Handbook #8 (or possibly 
465) titled Composition of Foods, the Government Printing Office
in San Francisco told me its out of print.  I am also looking
for the National Research Councils RDA's for pet birds.  Is there
such a book?  Any ideas where to look?  Help Help.

I was treated by a homeopath during my childhood and became
curious about it as an adult.  I wrote a research paper on
Homeopathy in college and remember (vaguely) that clinical
trials in Britian were experiencing high cure rates (higher
than just placebo) for certain types of illnesses.  The
studies did not determine the mechanism of the cure so were
judged useless.  I understand microdilusion and the chemical
nullity of homeopathic preparations BUT there is also a
paradigm shift taking place in science and I would not be
suprised if some mechanism is discovered in the future that
renders Homeopathy a mainstream medicine.  Although there
are many reasons to scoff at homeopathy, I would try it first
if I were ill (not life threatening) because my own experience
has been a very good recovery from hepatitis (symptoms were
full blown, jaundice - yellow whites of eyes) with no discernable
liver damage (or so my doctor tells me) from a homeopathic
cure. So, while I maintain my scepticism, I also am aware that
a homeopathic cure is harmless if it doesn't help and I am
not aware of many allopathic treatments that can boast of that
trait.  By the way, my homeopathic doctor was also an M.D. and
he was very concerned with self-diagnosis by untrained individuals.
An entertaining and interesting read can be gotten from 
"The Patient, Not The Cure"  but I cannot remember the authors name.

----
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Buzz in your fruit juice
Keywords: alcohol, fruit juice
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:44:52 GMT

In <1ag54gINN6e3@guinness.cs.ubc.ca> davef@cs.ubc.ca (David Finkelstein) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.233354.28968@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) writes:
>>> Can any one tell me the amount (% by volume) of alcohol in commercially
>>> available fruit juices. .. 
>>
>>Very little.  But, if you add some sugar, yeast and let it stand
>>for a few days, it will increase significantly  :-)

>And after you've made your hard cider, don't forget to freeze it.
Yes, freezing does a good job on enriching alcohol content.
There are also commercially available electric stills that handle a gallon and
will give about a pint of hard stuff. :*)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mrl@oryana.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Have you heard of this?????
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:32:22 GMT

In a previous article, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:
>In article <6OCT92.01103152@nerus.pfc.mit.edu> mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>>I have heard that the FDA presently has a study going on to evaluate the claims
>>that chelation therapy can treat heart disease.  Has anyone else heard this?
> 
>The FDA doesn't do studies.  Maybe someone in the National Institutes of
>Health?  I'd tend to doubt it, though.  There have been studies of such
>therapies before, none of which were able to demonstrate any beneficial
>effect, at least when viewed critically.  Some of the studies were very
>poorly designed with poor selection and improvement criteria.

Someone sent me a message with the info, and I figured he was posting it also,
so I deleted it, but now I see he did not post it.  If anyone is interested in
that info, I suggest asking on the group and hopefully he will post it.

Mark
From: soula@vifp.monash.edu.au (Stella Rowan)
Subject: Incontinence
Originator: news@brain
Reply-To: soula@vifp.monash.edu.au
Organization: Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:57:38 GMT

My mother's friend who is an obese lady in her early forties
has a distinguishable odour.  She lives alone.  She is prone to stress 
and binges on food.  Because of her sensitive nature noone dares discuss
her problem with her.  She goes to the toilet quite frequently
in short time spans.  Even though she showers regularly her hair
is often oily.  On hot days the odour is quite offensive
(ammonia?). and lingers in the air for long periods.  Sometimes her 
dress is stained.  

Could anyone please help me try and identify what her problem
is.  Incontinence?  Stress related??

Please send email to: soula@vifp.monash.edu.au

---
From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Vitamins:  How to Get the Right Mix?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:44:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: U.TSF.92Sep30134436
	<1992Sep30.164358.2736@access.usask.ca>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU


   From article <1992Sep21.135826.29196@mercury.cair.du.edu>, by kguinn@diana.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn):
   > It's difficult to get a handle on how much of each vitamin you need,
   > and how to mix them so that you get the maximum effect.  For example,
   > some vitamins, when taken together, cancel each other out.  

Which ones?  I don't believe you.

   > Is there
   > any good book I can buy that discusses vitamins and their use?  
   > Preferably a book that has some scientific authority...

Here's my favorite.  It may be more than you want, though.  

         TITLE:  Pharmacology of micronutrients
        AUTHOR:  Flodin, Nestor W. (Nestor Winston), 1915-
     PUBLISHED:  New York : A.R. Liss, c1988.
   DESCRIPTION:  xii, 340 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.

   > 
   > Also--I have bad eyesight.  A common "urban legend" is that if I 
   > were to consume a megadose of Vitamin A every day for a long
   > period, my eyesight would improve.  

Vitamin A shortage causes night blindness.  If you have night
blindness, then vitamin A might help.  There would probably be no use
in megadosing though.  If you have something else wrong with your
eyes, I doubt that vitamin A would help.

In article <1992Sep30.164358.2736@access.usask.ca> skeeter@skatter.usask.ca writes:

   More than 25,000 IU per day of Vitamin A is asking for trouble.
   I'll have to check my copy of the 'Recommended Nutrient Intake
   Guide for Canadians' (something like that) to be sure.

   The book (which is a ~100 page summary of research done around
   the world) gives the levels of Vitamin A in Retinol Equivalents
   (RE), since the absorbtion of Retinol and Beta-Carotene differ
   (therefore 5000 IU of beta-carotene is less effective than
   5000 IU of retinol).

I haven't heard of Retinol Equivalents before.  My understanding is
that there is feedback in the gut that makes it impossible to get a
vitamin A overdose from consuming large amounts of beta carotene.  If
this is the case, saying that each IU of beta carotene has n retinol
equivalents is misleading, since with a sufficiently large intake the
extra beta carotene shouldn't have any effect other than turning the
person orange.  (My mom used to be orange, I've seen this happen.)

A retinol equivalents/IU number for beta carotene that only held at
low doses would make sense, though.
--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>    CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:53:55 GMT

In article <TSF.92Oct5143747@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.161004.18285@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>
>   Critics have argued that homeopathy cannot be taken seriously because there is
>   no known "mechanism" by which its remedies can work: i.e., it doesn't work
>   because it cant ("Take a Little Deadly Nightshade and You'll Feel Better," by
>   James Gorman, Aug. 30).  This is a rather unscientific argument for those who
>   claim to be schooled in the ways of science, especially since the exact
>   mechanisms of action of a large variety of conventional drugs are unknown,
>   including those of aspirin and steroids.
>
>The problem with understanding asprin is that there are lots of ways
>it could work, and we don't yet know which one.  The problem with
>homeopathy is that nobody has any idea how it could possibly work.
>Seems pretty different to me.
>
>Homeopathy holds that two similar vials, each containing the same
>amount of pure water, can have different effects on your body when you
>drink them if one of them was prepared by diluting some poison until
>none of the poison was left.  Since you think you live in a world
>where this happens, you must have pondered how.  What's your best
>guess?

Well my best guess is that it works in much the same way that 
acupuncture works. Energetically, not chemically. But then, I'm
no physicist.

-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
green@island.com            that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Re:Vegetarian diets
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Sep27.194216.15908@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
	<06#pj_l.rfelix@netcom.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:52:14 GMT

On Mon, 28 Sep 92 01:11:07 GMT, rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) said:

Robbie> In article <1992Sep27.194216.15908@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In <1992Sep25.164313.7088@iscsvax.uni.edu> howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>I'm a vegetarian (vegan) partly for this reason. The risks of missing
>>some "unknown nutrient" in meat versus being sure of not consuming 
>>antibiotics and hormones in meat products seems minimal. And yes, I 
>>do take a B12 supplement. 
>
>Do you worry about the pesticides and fertilizers used to grow your
>fruits, veggies, and grains?  Do you worry about the diseases you can
>pick up from mis-handled produce?  Eating Well did a story within the 
>last year or so about a mini-epidemic of hepatitus due to a contaminated 
>shipment of lettuce in the Nashville area (I think--it was one of the 
>Tennessee cities).

Robbie> Sounds like an anomaly to me. The vast majority of people who get food
Robbie> poisoning get it from flesh or animal products.

Robbie> The liklihood of getting food poisoning from lettuce is pretty slim.
Robbie> The stats I hear on poultry (for example) are that an extremely high
Robbie> percentage is contaminated with salmonella.

Robbie> I have never gotten sick from a salad bar.

You're lucky--there's been a recent epidemic of salmonella in
cantaloupe. 

It wasn't fertilized with manure either.

>
>I am not anti-veggie, and I agree with any diet that pushes fruits,
>veggies, whole grains, and reduced fat intake.  But isn't trying to find
>safe veggies and fruits (by growing your own or buying organic) just as 
>hard as getting safe meat?
>
Robbie> Fruit and veggies can be washed. It is hard to wash the bacteria out
Robbie> of meat, eggs or cheese.

Didn't work for the cantaloupe.

Robbie> As far as toxicity goes, meat and animal products are far and away
Robbie> more hazardous than fruits and veggies.

Obviously, we're talking about relative risks here, but nothing is
absolutely safe.  At least we all know about salmonella in chicken; I
was shocked to find out that cantaloupe could be contaminated with it.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: bonnie@nmsu.edu (Bonnie Hargrave)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: what foods affect uric acid level? (is my M.D. competent?)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:54:43 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Computing Research Lab


My family doctor tells me my uric acid level is high (didn't give me
the exact figure).  This leaves me with some questions which the
doctor seemed unable to answer.

Question 1.  I associate high uric acid level with a high protein
diet.  Since I usually eat vegetarian style (meat sometimes at
restaurants, rarely otherwise) I was surprised at this.  I asked her
if eating a lot of cheese could cause this.  She replied in the
affirmative.  And she prescribed a low purine diet, like for gout.

But the doctor's list of *recommended* foods includes all kinds of
cheeses plus eggs as a substitute for meats.  The complete list of
foods to avoid is:

	coffee, tea, cocoa, chocolate, oatmeal, broth, bouillon,
	meat-based soups, liver, kidney, sweetbreads, sardines,
	anchovies, gravies, dried beans, lentils, dried peas, spinach.

My intake of these listed foods is low to non-existent.  I
occasionally eat dried beans or lentils. Maybe once a month I have a
meat-based soup.  Occasionally I drink coffee.

Are there other foods that should be on this list?

Question 2:

How much is uric acid level affected by what you've eaten _recently_?
Could a couple cups of coffee on the day before the lab test give this
result despite a relatively healthy diet overall?  Or is it something
that builds up over time? 

Question 3: 

Rhetorical.  Is my doctor competent?  I think I already know the
answer based, not just on the statement relating to cheese, but also on
several other comments she made during the followup visit.  But that's
one for sci.med.

Thanks for helping, folks.

Bonnie


--

		bonnie@nmsu.edu         Cherry pits -- worry beads
		Bonnie Hargrave         	       for the mouth.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Support Grows For Vitamins As Roadblocks To Heart Disease
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:07:28 GMT

In article <BvMKnG.HxK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End) writes:
>Well boys, this one appears to be gaining quite a bit of support. All the 
>original post did was point out the very real lag in transfer of information
>from the science community to the public at large, and the even more
>substantial delay in reaching something like a "text book".
>
>I agree with basically everything in the orignal post AND you didn't have
>to reread it an the entire follow-up.

I still have the original article.  If you haven't read it & have a FAX
no., let me know.

jil@donuts0.bellcore.com

P.S.  I apologize for having donuts in my internet address on a nutrition
      newsgroup :-)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: skeeter@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Vitamins:  How to Get the Right Mix?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:43:58 GMT

From article <1992Sep21.135826.29196@mercury.cair.du.edu>, by kguinn@diana.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn):
> It's difficult to get a handle on how much of each vitamin you need,
> and how to mix them so that you get the maximum effect.  For example,
> some vitamins, when taken together, cancel each other out.  Is there
> any good book I can buy that discusses vitamins and their use?  
> Preferably a book that has some scientific authority...
> 
> Also--I have bad eyesight.  A common "urban legend" is that if I 
> were to consume a megadose of Vitamin A every day for a long
> period, my eyesight would improve.  But, large doses of A can be
> toxic, I've heard...  How much A is toxic?  And would it help?
> 
> Kip
> 

More than 25,000 IU per day of Vitamin A is asking for trouble.
I'll have to check my copy of the 'Recommended Nutrient Intake
Guide for Canadians' (something like that) to be sure.

The book (which is a ~100 page summary of research done around
the world) gives the levels of Vitamin A in Retinol Equivalents
(RE), since the absorbtion of Retinol and Beta-Carotene differ
(therefore 5000 IU of beta-carotene is less effective than
5000 IU of retinol).

I'll try to post more specifics later.


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