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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:44:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

ccfa001@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (Curt Vaughan) writes:
>[Somebody stole my seatpost.  Can I slow them down w/o replacing the
> quick-release bolt?]

If you don't move your seat often, switching to a bolt is a pretty
good soution.  My MTB I change the seat height while riding, but e.g.,
the hybrid I only reset at the beginning of some rides, so I only put
on a QR when I loaned it out where I expcted several people would be
riding it.

If you want to keep the QR, here's what I've seen:

 - Seat Leash(tm) or equivalent.  A cable looped 'round the frame
   and either crimped to the seat rails or looped over so you have to
   unbolt the seat from the seatpost.  You can also attatch it using a
   padlock or a simple nut and bolt, though that seems to be rare.

   Advantges: cheap, not too heavy.  Disdvantags: easy to clip.

 - Lock up your seat using your regular lock.  Either leave it in
   place and use a cable or pull it off and stick your U lock through
   between the saddle & the rails.

   Advantags: weighs nothing more than what you already have.  YOu
   don't have to buy anything.  Disadvantages: more work each time you
   lock & unlock.

 - Hite-Rite(tm).  A spring clamped firmly to the seatpost.  The other
   end generally goes around the QR skewer (you may need a longer
   skewer) but some frames have a special Hite-Rite tab or sometimes
   you can build one yourself using a strap clamp.

   Adv: A Hite-Rite(tm) is a useful thing.  Disadv: weight, cost,
   added theft appeal, putting it on the QR doesn't slow 'em down by
   much.

 - Sansin locking QR.  The QR handle comes off, so you take it with
   you.  You can keep in in your pocket for about town, so it's not
   necessarily work every time you lock & unlock the bike, you put it
   on when you go for a ride.

   Adv: cheap, not too heavy.  Disadv: a thief can carry one.

 - Regular QR w/ a nut with wrench flats.  When you're riding about
   town you open the QR then tighten the nut using the flats.  Best
   if the QR handle is wedged so it can't be used as a short-handle
   wrench.  To revert to QR, loosen the flatted nut and tighten the
   QR.

After I got my (bolted) seatpost ripped off, I spraypainted the
replacement.  The paint immediately got scraped off where the post
sticks in the frame, giving it a really ratty look.  Over the years,
more paint has gotten scraped off, and it looks even rattier.

Coming soon: designer grunge  :-)

		;-D oN  ( Quick Relief )  Pardo
From: rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:52:45 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft of Canada Limited, Calgary, AB
In-reply-to: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca's message of 13 Apr 92 12:47:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.124759.27475@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:

>   This morning, I woke up to a nice and beautiful, bright... SNOWY DAY!!!!!

>   Ken Iisaka  kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca | Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do.

Gee Ken, sounds like you're having quite a week.  Stay on your toes, bad
news comes in threes.
--
----------------
Richard Melville
Hughes Spatial Data Systems Division
"Get a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life." - me
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:8726 rec.motorcycles:12324
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 7 Apr 1992 02:52:14 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: bovina.cs.utexas.edu

In article <3216@tegra.COM> hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull) writes:

>jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm)) writes,

>>> Roads were first built *FOR* bicycles.  We tolerate cars and motorcycles
>>> since many people can not or will not learn to use the apropriate vehicle
>>> :)

>       This is exactly the attitude of so many bicyclists have that
>	really anger the rest of us.  You know where you can put the
>	smiley because you haven't fooled anyone.  *THE* roads were in
>	place long before there were any of your sacred *bicycles*.  The
>	fact that *bicycles* are *supposed* to move to the right for
>	faster traffic does not mean that they do.  When I was a small
>	child I was taught to ride my *bicycle* on the side of the so
>	that I wouldn't be killed.  This is someting that a lot of adults
>	seem to have forgoten.  You exibit some of the "elitest snot"
>	attitude that is prevailent amongst *bicyclists*.  You are no
>	better than the rest of us and *you* have no more right to road
>	than anyone else.  In addition your attitude sucks; get a life

I usually try to avoid replying to particularly ignorant and
ill-tempered postings, since it seldom does any good, but
this one is almost beyond belief.

1. The first paved roads in this country were built for
   bicycles at the urging of a bicyclists' lobbying group,
   the League of American Wheelmen.  This paved the way,
   so to speak, for automobiles and motorcycles.  This has
   been alluded to several times by several people in this
   thread, including Les Earnest and me.  Saying it ain't
   so won't change the fact.

2. If you were being taught to use your bicycle as transportation
   rather than as a child's toy, you were taught wrong.  A
   vehicle of any sort should be in the traffic lanes where
   it can be seen by other traffic.  Riding in the gutter
   or on the sidewalk is dangerous and should not be encouraged.
   Bicyclists are *very* seldom hit from behind (less than
   1% of all accidents, and those mostly at night involving
   drunk drivers).  Nearly all accidents occur at intersections.
   Vehicles approaching intersections in a traffic lane will
   be seen by anyone paying the slightest attention to
   traffic.  Vehicles approaching intersections in the gutter
   on on the sidewalk will seldom be noticed.  In addition,
   riding (or driving) too close to parked cars will eventually
   result in a collision with an opening door.

If you don't like the rules of the road, you have several
choices.  You can try to get them changed or you can move
elsewhere.  In all states bicycles are vehicles or have all
the rights and responsibilities of vehicles (some word it one
way, some the other).  Throwing tantrums on the net won't do
anything about that.

I hope I have used sufficiently small words.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 02:43:29 GMT

I've never actually done this myself, but the sky caps at LAX seem fairly
anxious to circumvent extra airline baggage charges if you make them happy
(i.e., with a little squeeze).  That's assuming you trust them with your bike
in the first place.  8-)

-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Ringmaster, Boelter Hall Roach Circus--
  "Let's disguise Murphy Hall as a post office and see what happens."
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:8639 rec.motorcycles:12249
From: jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Nadzam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Greg LeMond on Summer Olympics Team USA?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:57:17 GMT
	<1992Apr6.072600.4001@news.Hawaii.Edu>
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

excuse me,

HELLO, McFly

anybody home?!?!?!

This is rec.MOTORcycles. and untill motorcycle racing becomes an olympic
sport, welll.....

no kidding you don't read this board often.

NADZ
DoD #528

p.s apply this liberaly to the BICYCLE CRASH thread too.
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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Hints & parts needed for cross project
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:24:33 GMT

In article <167C29052.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>Some months ago I bought an old Raleigh Super Course for $20 to get
>the unbroken-in Brooks saddle on it. Most of the parts went off to
>my local bike mechanic, but I still had this frame. What to do? "Build
>a cross bike", suggested aforesaid mechanic, so that's what I'm doing.
> 
>The bike is mostly straight-gauge Reynolds 531, sized for 27" wheels,
>so there's plenty of cross bike clearance. Barry is going to braze on
>cantilever brake bosses, and I'll be repainting it. The plan is a 46
>sprocket up front and a 13-26 or thereabouts cluster in back, drop bars,
>700x35 cross tires, and maybe a bar-end shifter.

You might want to run a smaller from chainring up front.  One, because
you have a lower bottom bracket than "real" cross frames, and will want
more clearance for obstacles. And two, the 46/26 is a pretty steep gear.
If you keep that gear for a low, you'll be dismounting for run-ups much
sooner than if you had an easier gear.

If you're running cantilevers and drop bars, I STRONGLY recommend getting
a pair of Dia-Compe 287 or FS-E levers.  These are optimized for canti's
and drop bars and REALLY make a difference.  They pull a few more millimeters
of cable so the levers are less likely to bottom-out.  Bianchi and
Performance spec them on their bikes, so you might want to hit up a
dealer that carries those lines.

>Any other hints and suggestions? Old parts for sale that would be
>suitible?

If you're running bar-ends, you might want a little wider drop bar to
provide more knee/forearm clearance (when you're shifting or in the
hooks).

It sounds like a cool bike, happy crossing.

>          --mike    medelma@cms.cc.wayne.edu


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:12:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail.  NOT!!!
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman) writes:

> Does this mean that if you kill someone with a baseball bat, you never get to
> play baseball again. Ever?

I stand by my point: if you kill someone with a deadly weapon, be it
a gun, a car, or a baseball bat, you should not be permitted to
use one after that because you have shown that you cannot be trusted
with one.  If you show responsibility, its yours to use.

   - steve
From: pcc@s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Opinions on the Vitus 979 Dural aluminum frame
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:08:23 GMT
Organization: LLNL

I would like any pro or con opinions about the Vitus 979 Dural aluminum
frame. How does it compare to the Columbus SLX, or Columbus Allez ?

Phil

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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:43:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.150914.26149@news.larc.nasa.gov>
Ken_Goodrich@gcdmacs.larc.nasa.gov (Ken_Goodrich) quests for
historical fact:

>... but why did >mountain bikers go back to 26" wheels if roadies
>have found 27/700 wheels to be the best compromise ...

actually, I don't think it was a question of "back".  Remember going
to the Firestone dealer (yes, the tire place) or the Schwinn bicycle
store for a 26" bike?  One of the signs you were growing up--a rite of
passage like finally getting to play real little league ball rather
than that pee wee stuff.  You can laugh about the Firestone stuff if
you want.  Just remember what Bridgestone's primary business is.

Anyway, the 26" was not the scientific measurement of the distance
from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the top tube.  It
referred to the diameter of the wheels on the bike.  And they were
bomb-proof wheels, too.  My brother and I were never able to destroy
one--well, by brother did when he laid his bike down in front of a
garbage truck.  He lost only a wheel (Jobst renowned lateral forces),
no damage to the frame.  So the frames were stout, too.  I suppose if
S. Texas had had hills, my brother might have invented Mt Biking back
in the mid-50s or early 60s.

Legend has it that a bunch of bored surfers gathered at the top of Mt.
Tamalapalapalapa, the sacred birth place of MTBing, looking for
dryland, cheap thrills. They took a bunch of these bikes with them and
started bombing down the sides of Mt. Tam.  That's the bikes they had
to start with, and that was the basis of the MTB "design".  A real
engineering design feat.

They had a lot of fun.  They piddled and piddled with the bikes,
lacing freewheels into the 26" rims, etc.  Now MTBing is no longer a
cheap thirll.

>So what compelling arguments are there for 26" off-road wheels -- ...

tradition?
then again, maybe there really is an engineering answer.

>Ken_Goodrich

see what you get for seeking truth in this forum!




-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: sasjjr@unx.sas.com (Jack Rouse)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Recommendations wanted for bike tours in the Southwest
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:43:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 599

I am going to be at Lake Powell in southern Utah on the July 4
weekend, and I plan to spend some additional time in the area.  I
would like to go on a bike tour, and would appreciate any
recommendations or other information from people who have had
experience with the tours and touring companies.

I have brochures from Timberline, Backroads, and Backcountry.  Timberline
and Backroads have tours in the Bryce Canyon/Zion National Park/Grand
Canyon north rim area that I find interesting, so I am especially
curious about experiences with these companies.

Thanks,

Jack Rouse (sasjjr@unx.sas.com)
From: gosch@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Gosch)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:19:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tour of Flanders and Euro Racing Scene
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

>
>From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
>
>If I am a domestique and my team leader orders me to chase, then I will
>do it, no questions asked.  However, if the leader of another team
>asks me to chase, I am less likely to help him.  Why?  Because I receive
>no benefit from it but, while I am helping this leader justify his huge
>salary that may be as much as 20-30 times greater than mine.  In this
>instance, the only way I am going to chase is if I get paid for it.
>
 Perhaps I'm overlooking something, but . . .

 Why would a domestique from one team do what the leader of another team
 tells him to do in the first place?  Isn't the whole idea to do what
 YOUR team owner/manager/leader tells you to do?

 Just curious :)

 Bill (You think I'm slow mentally?  You should see me ride.) G.
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Pedal stroke (was: Re: Equipment questions re: ITTs)
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:47:17 GMT

Steve Koren writes:
>There have been studies done of racing cyclists where pressure
>sensors have been mounted at various places on the pedal and
>toe strap.  It turns out that there is no significant upwards
>component to the pedal stroke.  [.  .  .]

Quite right.  Anyone can easily verify this for themselves.  I often
commute on my clipless-pedalled bike wearing Birkenstocks and my feet
never come off the pedals even though I'm used to being "locked in."
(In fact, Jobst caught me doing this a week or so ago and politely
overlooked it.)

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff)
Subject: Re: Race results: Amateur race in France
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:22:25 GMT


Brent, Thanks for all the great reports you've been publishing!  I really like getting
all of the pro race coverage in such a timely manner.  It really impresses my friends,
when I can tell the race results before Velo News.  Also, I liked this last post about
the race you did.  It made me drool with envy as you talked about riding in a pack with
support vehicles and clear roads and support/cheering from motorists!  This is almost
incomprehensible if you've only ridden in the U.S.!

Thanks again, and please continue.  It's great having someone as dedicated as you are
to keeping us informed.

--Brian Radloff   bradloff@micro.ti.com

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: robinsmm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ROBINSON MARYBETH)
Subject: Re: Sleeping Toes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:11:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.152933.25163@den.mmc.com> sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:
>Greetings wreck.bikers,
>	Last week I did my first 25 miler with a friend, which was a
>	wonderful ride.  However, at about the 15 mile point, both of us
>	had problems with our toes going to sleep on us.  Both of us
>	were using toe clips, with rigid sole biking shoes.  When we
>	stopped for a break, everything was OK again, but when we
>	started pulling hard going up a dam, we had the problem again,
>	but not so bad this time.
>
>	Thanks in advance,
>	John Sims
>-- 

John,

Are you sure that your toes were asleep, or were they just cold?
Before I bought my neoprene shoe covers, I often experienced "sleeping"
toes.  The neoprene blocked the cold wind, kept the tootsies warm, and I
was happy once again.  

MB

p.s. I kicked myself last week as well. Thinking it was warmer than
it was warmer than it really was, I left the house without my booties,
and regretted every minute of the ride after the first descent.... 

-- 
MaryBeth (MB) Robinson
Department of Chemistry
University of Colorado

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: New buyer questions (105,Ultegra,STI,Cannondale)
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:51:57 GMT

George Browning (george@catt.ncsu.edu) writes:

>    So now the question to those who have tried 105's, Ultegras,
> and STI shifters: are they worth it?  You can buy a bike with
> 105 components for anywhere between $600 and $1200.  Ultegras
> start at around $900 and Ultegras with STI start at $1200.

I don't appreciate the advantage of STI, but I've never been a bar-con fan,
and I don't race many criteriums, where I suspect they come into their
fullest flower. For recreational riding or training, or most road races, I
don't see how they pay back for their weight, their complexity, and their
unfortunately vulnerable position out on the most crashworthy points of the
bars.

As for 105/Ultegra, I think either is a fine choice. I am led to believe 
that Ultegra will wear better, and probably has finer construction. I've 
got one set of each, and like them both.


> 3. Cannondale R900, Performance Focus, Trek 2300

>    OK.  Assuming that I decide to spend the extra money now and
> go with Ultegras with STI, I've narrowed my choices to the above
> bikes.  Note that they basically the same components, however
> the frame material is different for each one.  Cannondale ($1380)
> uses oversized aluminum, Performance ($1179) uses steel, and Trek 
> ($1400) uses carbon fiber.  All three bikes I can buy from local
> dealers.

Two friends just bought R900's (no STI) and like them, but had some 
problems with the fit of the Cinelli stem - it couldn't be completely 
tightened in place. Make sure this doesn't happen with yours. Cannondale is 
now very aware of the problem.

Another friend bought a Trek 2300 with STI, and loves it.

I test-rode the Cannondale and Trek, as well as the Specialized Allez Epic,
and liked all three. I would have bought the Trek (no STI), but I decided
to get one good Columbus SLX lugged steel frame (a Serotta) before they
disappear from the racks. Carbon next time, maybe.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: how does one measure seatpost length?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:44:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr7.134448.10800
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I was adjusting my bike yet again and wanted to raise the seat.
Then I realized that the "MAX INSERT" line on my original SR
seatpost was 1mm ABOVE the seattube's top! 

I want to buy a longer post, and I need 26.8mm post.  THere
are plenty of posts in that diameter available from CC, NAshbar,
or my local bike shop, but I do not know how these things are
measured.

Depending on how I measure mine, it could be 180mm, 190mm, or
220mm ( measured from rails to bottom).  180mm is from the top
of the smooth part of the post, below where the one-piece
clamp starts.

Is there any reason that I should not get a Deore seatpost for
a touring bike?  Other than the extra-long length and extra
weight, that is.

Any suggestions?  I can't get 105SC, 600 or Campy because they
don't come in 26.8mm. DUra Ace does, but I don't want to
pay for that.   I can choose from the SR "Tall Cool ONe",
a Kalloy, or perhaps a Shimano Deore.  

-Case Kim
email or posted replies welcome.
 
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