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From: daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM ()
Subject: Re: car alarms
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:05:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Followup-To: car alarms


|> Can someone suggest a good car alarm to get for a new car?
|> I have heard of alarms made by Alpine, ungo and Clifford but do not
|> know how they compare to each other.  Each seems to use a different
|> kind of sensor.  is any one type better than the other?
|> About how much would it cost to get a good alarm? $100, $200, $300? ...

Quorum Int'l Ltd. has the latest technology in alarm systems. The
Quorum Vehicle Alarm responds to a volumetric air pressure change
that occurs when someone forcibly opens a locked door or breaks
a window. In addition, in most cars it will also respond to the 
forced entry into the vehicle's trunk compartment.

When any of these actions occur, an air shock wave is created by 
a sensor in the alarm, triggering its dramatic response and a 105db
ear splitting alarm will sound and a white strobe light that lights
up the vehicle compartment.

This unit sells for $159 and there is 30 day money back guarantee if 
you are not happy with the product. Also it installs in minutes and 
there is no special wiring needed.

If you would like more details contact me.

Regards,
Dave Daniels
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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Subaru Legacy??
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:13:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <livctmINN7um@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>> 
>> Amazingly, for $12,000 plus TTL you can get a new '92 Subaru Legacy L
>> with air, cassette, cruise, and power windows/locks/mirrors - a fully
>> loaded, reliable Japanese sedan the size of an Accord which sells poorly,
>> but is nearly as good as the Accord LX, which is the comparable model.
>> Forget the Sentra and the Mazda - this is the car to be looked at.
>
>it should be.  If you test drive one, please let us know what you think.

--I drove a '91 Legacy L+ with a 5-speed and all wheel drive.  Overall, it
  is a good car.  It had a very nice, reasonably quiet, soft-yet-controlled
  ride, and it has decent steering - not the supersoft, overboosted crap
  on Accords and Camrys.  The legroom and headroom is comfortable (barely)
  for four six-footers.  The trunk is spacious.  The only gripes I had with
  the car was its bizzare(sp?) trim and color schemes and the agricultural
  sound of its engine (not loud, but not that sophisticated either).  The 
  color and trim hiccups were solved for '92, but the engine remains.

  Oh yeah, the shifter stinks and the clutch is kind of stiff.  The 
  automatic would be the transmission of choice here.

--Aamir Qazi

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From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:27:58 GMT

morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:

>In article <BzFuDM.n1A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>>wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>>
>>>I was just curious where some of the emblems and names from the
>>>different manufacturer's come from (Ford is pretty obvious).
>>>In these days of "customer recognition" I'm sure that much

>>VW's "VW" emblem has been around forever, and I think the "Wolfsburg" emblem
>>you see once in a while is as old as the company as well.

>Volkswagen's largest plant is in Wolfsburg, a town named by the British after
>the Second World War. The name is taken from the nearby 14th-century castle,
>an image of which appears in the emblem.
>The Nazis had called the town built around the VW plant KdF-Stadt. (Kraft
>durch Freude, or Strength Through Joy).

A teacher (car nut) once told me that a factory worker was paid $100
to design the VW emblem - you could be right, however.

>>Mercedes:  I don't know the origin of the three-pointed star, but it hasn't
>>changed since at least the 1920's.

>The three-pointed star is the symbol of Daimler; it first appeared around 
>1900. Today's logo combines the star with the circular laurel wreath of Benz;
>this trademark was formed with the creation of Daimler-Benz AG in June 1926.

The other day on Jepordy they said the Mercedes emblem stood for:
air, water and land - all places Mercedes engines go. 



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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:42:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <8f=VQ4e00WBLQ2pHET@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Sounds like deja vu!  Back in 1970 I bought an Audi 100LS in its first
                               ^^^^
>model year.  BIG mistake.  EVERYTHING, and I mean literally EVERYTHING
>went wrong with it.  
>
>...<stuff deleted>...
>
>Ever since my 100LS experience I've avoided Audi's like the plague --
>despite their seemingly high quality/cost ratio and many testimonials
>about how much they've IMPROVED over the years.  Forget it.  They had
>their chance with me.                              


--It's silly of you not to buy an Audi nowadays because of your experience
  with your 1970 100LS.  A company can change itself in 22 years you know!!
  Japanese cars were not the paragons of reliability that they are know.
  Maybe you shouldn't buy a Toyota because they had problems thirty years
  ago.  All newly designed Audis are much more reliable than the olders,
  meaning the new Audi 100.  The 1990 version is based on a design that
  dates back to '83, which is when Audis weren't too good in reliability.
  If you tried a new Audi 100, I'm sure you would change your mind.

--Aamir Qazi

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From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Keywords: Rolls-Royce
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:22:29 GMT
Distribution: rec



>>Rolls Royce:  Two R's, the same since the early 1900's.

>The Hon. Charles Stewart Rolls and Sir Frederick Henry Royce formed their
>well-known firm in 1904.
>

>-- Brent
>morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Actually, the RR logo for Rolls-Royce has had two iterations.  The original
logo was two silver R's colored with red enamaling.  When one of the
founding partners (I believe it was Royce) died, the enamaling was changed
to black and it has remained so 'til this day.

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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:59:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Elvis in HotDogMobile!!!
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Yes, there are still a few around... they used to hand out little 
red weiner wistles.. I hear these are collectable now.

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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: DMV: Use fee
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:46:12 GMT

In <10DEC199212462629@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:

>>As I understand it, the "use fee" is sales tax, paid at purchase time.

>Umm.  A use(r) fee differs from a tax in that it is taken from a specific
>group and earmarked to benefit them.  

A "use tax" is not the same as a "user fee."  It's part of many
states' "sales and use tax."

The best-known example of use tax is in interstate trade.  If you
buy a widget mailorder from a company in a different state, your
state may not Constitutionally require the collection of sales
tax on the transaction, since it is interstate commerce.  In many
states, however, you are supposed to pay a "use tax" on the item
at a rate that is suspiciously similar to the sales tax rate.
Since the tax is imposed on your ownership/use of the property,
not on the transaction/purchase of the property, it is not a tax
on interstate trade.  (Or at least that's how the states' lawyers
weasel out of the ban on state taxation of interstate trade.)

Millions of Americans have no idea that they are, in the eyes of
their state governments, habitual tax evaders.  On the other
hand, for most consumers the amount of the tax is so small that
the state doesn't bother trying to collect.  There are exceptions
to this -- New York is getting pretty pissed off about shoppers 
going to Jersy City to take advantage of the low-tax shopping in
enterprise zones, for example, and is looking for a way to
collect the use tax due on the items, which equals the NY sales
tax minus the sales tax actually paid.

Some state(s) also check Customs Service documents to assess use
tax on overseas purchases, since legally tourists are supposed to
voluntarily file & pay use tax when they get home.  Voluntary
compliance is low, of course.
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From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Garage Door opener. Rec. Needed
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:57:53 GMT

In article <1739@rwja.umdnj.edu>, holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak) writes:
|> I know some people talked about this a while back but, alas, the
|> news server has gone and eaten them for good.  
|> 
|> Can anyone let me know what a good brand of garage door opener is?
|> 
|> I've seen some Stanley models down at the Home Depot for around $150.00.
|> Are these any good and how difficult are they to install?
|> 
|> Also, are those automatic reverse sensors useful? We have several
|> small kids in the area and I'd hate to see them mangled by the 
|> garage door.

I recommend the Chamberlain units (some Sears models are made by Chamberlain).
As fas as the auto-reverse feature, it's pretty much standard as a safety feature.
One word of caution about auto-reverse:  it senses motor load, and if the door
has resistance to movement you end up setting the load too high.  Also the load
to reverse at mid-travel is only a fraction of the closing force that is 
developed as the door lever "cams over" and starts it's downward movement.

Bottom line, if you are really concerned about the safety of small children or
pets, I would get the photo-detect door blockage accessory (which most GDO's
can supply as an accessory).

My past experience with Stanley and/or Genie is that they may have nice
screw drives, but their overall quality is mediocre and their electronics
are yuck.  Also parts are not as easy to obtain (most Chamberlain parts
can be gotten at Sears Service Centers).

Mark
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:39:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec16.153655.7686@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:

>Why did Toyota dump the Corolla AWD wagon?  It is a nice car.  Good for
>Idaho winters

--It seems that all-wheel-drive cars for under $20,000 will be nearly 
  non-existent in the near future.  The thing is, all-wheel-drive adds
  significant weight and cost to the vehicle.  Adding all-wheel-drive
  to a four cylinder compact sedan (i.e. Mazda Protege, Ford Tempo, 
  Toyota Corolla/Camry(87-91),etc.) will slow it down.  With the exception
  of the Mazda, I don't think the other listed cars have an AWD option
  anymore.  The benefits AWD provides can't be seen on a showroom floor,
  unlike a fancier trim level that one can get for the same money as AWD
  (i.e. LX vs DX, etc).  Saturn has introduced traction control on its
  sedans equipped with auto and ABS for only $50 extra per car - this is
  definitely going to be the wave of the future for compact sedans.

  There are few exceptions to this rule, however: the Diamond-Star Turbos
  and the Subaru Legacy, which has its own following.  I would expect to 
  see AWD on these cars and Audis, but that's it, as far as the future is
  concerned.

--Aamir Qazi

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Aamir Qazi
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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OLDsmobile name change
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:38:21 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


>>Did GM just pay off Beretta Arms Company? I never heard anything about
>>Colt Arms Company or Colt Malt Liquor suing Chrysler for the DODGE COLT.

>They would have no basis for doing so.  Trademark law makes a
>distinction between unique words like "Beretta" and common words like
>"Colt."  The latter can be used as a mark on multiple products that
>cannot be confused by the common consumer.  (You would be unlikely to
>confuse a car and a gun.)

On the other hand, suppose Beretta would like to reserve the right to enter
the car business someday, and would like to therefore protect its name in
the unlikely eventuality.  Beretta would then be justified in fighting hard
to protect its name and goodwill, and would be justified in seeking to restrict
its name.  GM did not pick an Italian name at random, or it could just as well
have called its model the Chevrolet Antonio, or something.  Instead, it took
the name of an exotic, European, weapon.  Cars are often named after weapons-
Cutlass, Saber, etc.

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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Need '93 Sable Comments
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00:45:26 GMT

In article <1ggjr7INN9lc@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>In article <1gfu79INN1fk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
>>
>>Also, the Sable offers to V6 engines - a 3.0 liter rated at 140HP and
>>a 3.8 liter model also rated at 140HP.  Why do they have the same
>>horsepower ratings?  Thanks in advance.
>  I think the horsepower ratings are the same because the 3.0L is an
>  overhead cam unit, while the 3.8L is an overhead valve design.

no, they are both OHV engines.
the answer may lie in the tuning of the engines; i.e. selecting
a cam profile that maximizes low-end torque at the expense of
top-end.  ford probably emphasized the torque more with the 3.8 liter.
(though i would be willing to give away some low-end for more hp.)
any ford people out there?


-teddy
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Not ALL YJs suck.........!!!!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:44:21 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


> Trust me, very few Wranglers were abused the way I ripped mine up.

> Hummm....maybe mine was a lucky one....

I trust this statement, and I also trust the many saying the model was
very unreliable.  I think Chrysler has a quality control problem, and that
the lemon models are not a small sample.  Given that these things are not
cheap for what you get, it seems that Chyrsler finds it more important to
reap profits than it does in fixing the problem... even after the sale.

One thing that tickles me is when I bring my 92 in for service, complaining
about the loose dash, or excessive wear on the carpet, or whatever.  (I've
owned four other 4wds previously).  The service person says that this is an
off-road, rugged utility vehicle, and that's why you can't expect the fit,
finish, tightness, wearability, to be of the same level as a passenger vehicle.
I retort that if this is indeed the case, then I would, if anything, expect
the dash, carpet, etc., to be even more durable than a passenger car, and not
less.  They never have a reply to that.

	Dave
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sales slime lies (was Re: Chevy truck doors)
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:47:24 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

ss86+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:

>om the salesman,
>we then started talking about the trade on the Toyota.  We asked for
>$500.  The salesman went over to talk to the "Manager" and came back and
>said we will accept the trade.  Later after my mom told him that we were
>not going to finance the car he told us that he would only give us $200
>for the Toyota, according to him, he agreed to take the trade but never
>agreed to take it for $500.

Just curious... had your mom earlier indicated that she WOULD be financing
the new car through the dealer?
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Need '93 Sable Comments
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:17:43 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1gfu79INN1fk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
>
>Also, the Sable offers to V6 engines - a 3.0 liter rated at 140HP and
>a 3.8 liter model also rated at 140HP.  Why do they have the same
>horsepower ratings?  Thanks in advance.
>
>-stu
>-- 
>                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
>                           Cleveland, Ohio
>                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
>                         --------------------

--If you are thinking of saving money and choosing the 3.0L engine because
  they have the same horsepower ratings, DON'T!!!  The difference is the
  torque ratings.  The 3.0L has 160 lb-ft of torque, while the 3.8L has
  something like 210 lb-ft of torque.  I believe torque is defined as the
  quantitative ability to use the horsepower - is this an acceptable 
  definition in ordinary terms?  Naturally, the large difference in 
  torque can be attributed to the difference in engine displacement.
  I think the horsepower ratings are the same because the 3.0L is an
  overhead cam unit, while the 3.8L is an overhead valve design.

  Anyways, the bottom line is that you should definitely choose the 3.8L.

--Aamir Qazi


-- 

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From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: OK Doctors - What is the diagnosis?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:37:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Val Breault (vbreault@rinhp750.gmr.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec11.045014.18553@leland.Stanford.EDU> dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz) writes:
: 
: My recommendation is to replace the wires and, while you're at it, 
       <stuff deleted>

Make sure that you coat the end seals with the gel that is enclosed
with the new wire kit, too.  If you don't you could be back to a
wet wire/degraded spark problem again.

Wes Fujii

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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: seeking advice buying used mbz 190e
Date: 17 Dec 1992 03:04:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <921216.182219.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:
>I'm attracted to the 190e as a compact RWD sedan with
>modern safety features (air bag, abs.)  Early models,
>1984..1987 used are 8k..14k in this market.
>
>Are there any basic flaws or problem areas in these
>cars to worry about?
>
>Are any production years particularly good or bad?


--Road and Track magazine did an owner's survey of the 190 series not too
  long ago, perhaps in the past year.  Definitely look into that, since
  I believe the early 190's had some expensive problem areas.

--Aamir Qazi

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From: Joe@ohiont.fidonet.org (Joe Dzurinda)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 89 Mustang GT
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:52:44 EST
Organization: The OHIONet Express BBS, Cleveland, OH (216-241-6727)

I hope someone has an answer for this one.  
I recently removed the battery cables from the battery to clean them for a better connection.  Everything went fine until I drove the car.  Now whenever I start the car the radio loses the time and all it's stations.  It started doing this intermitantly but seems to do it all the time now.  I double checked all the connections and made sure pos was connected to pos, neg to neg.  Anyone got any idea what's causing this?

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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Subarus and water in the oil
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:49:54 EST


I have a 1987 Subaru GL 3-door Coupe with 4WD.  I recently brought
it to the shop convinced that it had a bad head gasket.  There
was foam inside the oil filler cap and a constant coolant
smell.  Much to my surprise, there is merely a hose leak
near the manifold.  Obviously, I'm not complaining but I do
wonder at the explaination for the foamy oil.  I was told that
its common to get condensation in these engines (flat 4).
Anyone else heard of or run into this? 

E-mail would be greatly appreciated...
Margot (mprisco@cat.syr.edu)
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From: ahusain@comm1 (Asad Husain)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: '87 BMW 635csi
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:20:46 GMT
Organization: UMAB

Hello all,

Does anyone own/have any comments on a 1987 BMW 635 csi?  Are they godd 
reliable cars to own?  Any absolute negatives?  What is the performance on 
these cars?  I am looking at maybe purchasing one.  All replies appreciated.

Asad Husain
ahusain@isnov.ab.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech