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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:54:32 EDT

In article <xvsnzx-.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Gordon Banks mentions the NLP headache cure. I've seen it demonstrated
>many times, and it seems to work then and there. It is situational--that
>is, it cures the headache you have right now, but doesn't prevent
>later recurrence. Using the same technique (a pretty simple mental
>exercise) when the headache recurs "cures" it again.
>	...
>The basic process is pretty simply, and can be done by anyone. Try it:
>
>Close your eyes.
>Where, exactly is your headache?
>What size is it?
[etc etc]

>Werner Erhard used to use something similar many years ago when he was
>doing est training seminars. His version was called "The Famous est
>Headache Cure".

And before the famous est headache cure, it was the famous re-evaluation
counseling headache cure.  OK, so this is a helpful behavioral technique
for some people.  So then we gotta believe all that NLP hocus pocus?  

This mishigas is similar to the chinese berb problem on sci.med.
Sure some chinese herbs have active ingredients that may really
do some good; but they probably don't work by increasing the flow
of yang energy through the meridians or whatever traditional explanation
the efficacy is ascribed to.  In systems like NLP, we've got a new
brand of primitivism.  Hey, it works!  Must be magic!

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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: MIGRAINE
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:54:38 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1928@msa3b.UUCP> kevin@msa3b.UUCP (Kevin P. Kleinfelter) writes:
>
>I went to a neurologist for a sleep disorder (I was waking about twice an hour).
>He prescribed Pamelor (an antidepressant), for the sleep disorder, and
>casually mentioned that it might reduce my headaches.  A common cause of
>migraines is simply stress.  In 10 months of Pamelor I've had only 2 bona-fide
>migraines (markedly less than before).
>

A common *trigger* of migraines is stress (the cause is unknown,
but we do know that there is a hereditary predisposition of the brain 
to develop these attacks).  But because stress can trigger a migraine,
doesn't mean that it was by reducing stress that Pamelor helped you.
The neurotransmitters, such as serotonin are also linked to migraine
attacks, and Pamelor has a marked effect on these.  Another even
stronger trigger of migraine is sleep deprivation.  Perhaps if
the Pamelor helped regularize your sleep patterns, that is the reason
it helped your headaches.
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Newsgroups: sci.med
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 11:01:04 -0400 
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Magnesium Salicylate

I recently ran across this on the label of a popular backache remedy.
It's obviously aspirin-like, but does it have any special qualities?

I've been on a prescription aspirin substitute for tendinitis in my
foot. Now that the problem is gone, and I'm running out of the drug, my
old low back problems have returned. Aspirin works as well as the
substitute (Motrin *tm* doesn't work), but it causes me more stomach
upset and confusion. Any chance this stuff is worth trying?

Regards,
From: bonnie@nmsu.edu (Bonnie Hargrave)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Kutapressin and CFS?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:02:56 GMT
Distribution: sci.med
Organization: Computing Research Lab


Someone mentioned that Kutapressin had been very helpful in at least
one case of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Can someone tell me what Kutapressin consists of and how it works?

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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Cat bites: (was incompetent doctors)
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:18:39 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep9.150238.20902@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
> Evidently (please correct me if I've got this wrong, Ken) the usual
> organism transmitted in domestic cat bites is Pasteurella.  The usual
> antibiotics don't work with this organism; perhaps (I don't know)
> it is gram-positive and the resident gave his wife penicillin.

I've had three infected catbites over the years-- and the causative
organisms were Staph. aureus, an unidentified Streptococcus, and
a Pseudomonas.  I figured it had to do with the normal oral flora
of cat mouths, and where my hands had just been.  (yes, I was bitten
while lancing a Staph. aureus lesion on the cat.  And I would have
bitten me too, under the circumstances!)

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: headaches (was Re: Xanax)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:29:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Paul Rubin asks if Werner Erhard is hiding out in South America because
the government is after him, and if Bandler or Grinder are in "some sort
of trouble". Werner Erhard is not "hiding out" and in a book published
two weeks ago, "60 Minutes and the Assassination of Werner Erhard"
by Jane Self, the whole disgusting story of the Scientologists'
campaign to get him is told. They or their agents put people up to
lying, supported lawsuits against him (either thrown out of court
or found to be false on their main claims), and induced some family
members to lie (subsequently recanted). He has since sued 60 Minutes
and others for their part the the matter.

Bandler (or was it Grinder, to quote Rubin) was acquitted of murder
charges not long ago.

But the smear, or people who repeat smear charges they half-understand,
continues.

"60 Minutes and the Assassination of Werner Erhard--A True Story"
by Jane Self, Ph.D. Breakthru Publishing (713-522-7660) $19.95

From the dust jacket:
"When the author of this book was contacted about taking on the project
of uncovering the truth behind this story, she was warned that she was
basically on her own and that it might even involve risking her lie.

"No stones were left unturned. Every single allegation made against the
man known as Werner Erhard is addressed including the accusations on
national television that he physically abused his children and wife and
was a greedy, power-crazed cult leader.

"Could this be the same man who was awarded the Mahatma Ghandi Humanitarian
award in 1988? The same man who created programs in which over a million
people participated and reportedly received great benefits?

"The allegations in the newspapers and on 60 Minutes did not ring true
nor match the experience that thousands of associates and participants
of Erhard's programs had of him.

"To some this book may read like a best-selling spy novel, however, the
author made sure that the book accomplished what it set out to do--
uncover and report the truth about Werner Erhard's demise and how
the media can be manipulated by sinister forces for their own purposes."

From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:10:06 GMT
Subject: Why the FDA raided Wright
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: sci.med


			Why the FDA raided Wright
			  from an NFM interview

Dr. Wright sued the FDA last year after they removed his entire stock of
uncontaminated L-tryptophan in July 1991. He has some uncontaminated stock 
that had been assayed by a prestigious medical institution. His suit against 
the FDA regarding the L-tryptophan was coming up in July 1992, and the FDA 
raided his office in May. The timing was remarkably coincidental.

The FDA entered all five of the clinic's doors simultaneously but only found
it necessary to break down the front door. The FDA brought along a locksmith 
who picked the locks on the back four doors, but they didn't have him pick the
lock on the front door. They broke the front door and came running in with guns
and flak jackets as a show of force and intimidation. If they weren't into
intimidation in this raid, they could have picked all five locks, but they
didn't.

The FDA even confiscated $50 worth of postage stamps. Wright said "I thought
postage stamps were legal - they do have little pictures of the American
flag."
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: for those interested in mental illness...
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:04:49 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep3.173252.228@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>For those interested in mental illness, there is an absolutely fascinating
>autobiographical account (177 lines long) posted to both alt.politics.bush and
>alt.politics.clinton by gary stollman, the guy who forced his way into the
>studio & made david horowitz read a statement on the air at gunpoint.
>
He's been posting in alt.conspiracy for years.

>his post details a long history of hospitalizations & what (for all the world
>*APPEAR* to be) paranoid delusions, though his hope is to convince his readers
>that nazis and aliens really have taken over this country.  he claims doctors
>are in on this conspiracy, too.
>
>it doesn't look like a prank or bogus post to me; it looks authentic & it is a
>fascinating 1st-person account of the experience of psychiatric disability.

For a more subtle, but also quite pathologic one, check out
the post in sci.research.careers, from VI Fabrikant, the engineering
professor from Montreal who killed 3 hostages a couple of weeks
ago at Concordia University.



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From: John Werner <werner@soe.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Anti-psychiatry": Cool the flames  ...was: Re: Xanax
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:49:39 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education
Distribution: world
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X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

Thoughts on a couple of things in this thread:

Christian P. Roberts, cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU writes:
>It's unfortunate that psychiatry seems to be turning in the
direction
>of drugs, as a first mode of treatment.  There is a genuine place
for 
>psychoanalytic psychotherapy, as John has indicated above.

Actually, I wasn't trying to make any point at all; I was just
asking a question.  Perhaps I should have included a counterexample
in my post: I have a friend who is severely depressed and bullemic,
and who can't really function at all without large doses of Prozac.

After just one visit to my therapist (not a psychoanalyst, by the
way) I have a much better appreciation for the value of drugs
combined with therapy.  A lot of old, suppressed emotions are
bubbling up, and some of them aren't pleasant.  I'm still convinced
that therapy will help in the long run, but it might not be much fun
for a while.  If it gets too bad, I may end up trying to get someone
to prescribe me some drugs.

And on a totally unrelated topic:
>>Anxiety and mood disorders afflict women more often than men.
>
>Is there a solid biological basis for this, or could it be that our
culture
>does not train women to cope with adversity?  (Or, conversely,
trains
>men to be _too_ stoical?)

I think part of it is the unfortunate fact that some doctors still
don't take women seriously.  Some anecdotal evidence from my sister:
whenever she and her husband have the same illness and go to the
doctor, he's always "sick", but she is often told she's suffering
from stress or even "pregnant".  She had one doctor who insisted on
doing _two_ pregnancy tests, because he didn't believe it when the
first one came back negative.  This is sort of a worst-case
scenario; he's in the Army and they're stuck seeing mostly
incompetent Army doctors.  But I've heard similar stories from other
women.


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From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: for those interested in mental illness(***LONG***)
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:57:19 GMT
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1992Sep4.190836.12482@informix.com> proberts@informix.com writes:

> In article <1992Sep3.173252.228@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> >For those interested in mental illness, there is an absolutely fascinating
> >autobiographical account (177 lines long) posted to both alt.politics.bush and
> >alt.politics.clinton by gary stollman, the guy who forced his way into the
> 
> [...]
> >(not reposting it here because of its length)
> >
> >------------------------
> >Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
> >Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
> 
> If this in interesting, then please do post it here. Many sites don't
> get any alt. groups. My site is one of them!
> 
> Paul

OK, here it is.  Many pardons for the delay.  One of Yale's computers handling
news feed was down, so my site is approx. 1 week behind on receiving usenet
news at the moment (as is anyone else's whose primary or only newsfeed comes
from yale: "bulldog")
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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Politics and sci.med (was: unc health care study)
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:26:41 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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In article <16327@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In <1992Sep1.104.99729@dosgate> nigel.allen@canrem.com (Nigel Allen) writes:
>>
>>Here is a press release from the Clinton/Gore Campaign.
>> 
>Why do we have to put up with this garbage in sci.med?

Dear Gordon:

	We have to put up with all this "garbage" (as you so quaintly
put it) because the group has NOT seen fit to vote in another newsgroup
in which to put the health-care related politics.

	Two years ago, talk.politics.aids failed *due to a lack of a
quorum*.  This year, talk.politics.health (or something like that)
failed *due to the lack of a margin*.

	If you don't want this stuff here, then get off your buttocks
and organize a newsgroup campaign for a group to hold this discussion.
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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Chinese Herb for Malaria
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 12:48:22 EDT

In article <Btws0t.3y0@Novell.COM> terry@thisbe.npd.Novell.COM (Terry
Lambert) writes:         
>Are there any examples at all of "Chinese Medicine" (quoted to include
>other than herbel concoctions, not to denigrate) adopting anything
>from "Western Medicine"?  I occasionally hear of herb remedy being
>adopted after study, usually in the form of an extract containing the
>active compound as a concentrate (ie:  in JAMA, NEJM), but never hear
>of anything going the other way.   Has anyone involved in "Chinese
>Medicine" ever seen inclusion of a "Western" medical treatment,
>regime, protocol, or substance?  This has me relatively curious.

My understanding from the medical anthropologists is that many
savvy pracitioners of traditional nonwestern systems of medicine
are eager to incorporate western methods which fit into their
way of life & practice and don't blow their cover :).  Acupuncture
anesthesia is often given along with intravenous narcotics, for
example.   

I heard a story about traditional healers in Iran.  They write
traditional prescriptions filled at the herbal apothecary;
alternatively, the patient might be instructed to meditate on the
inscription on the prescription or to eat the prescription itself.  Or,
the presciption might be for something like....penicillin (if a supply
was available in the village - this is from the last days under the
Shah).

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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: the invasion of the NLP droids (was Re: Xanax)
Organization: SUNY Health Science Center, Syracuse
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:09:54 EDT

In article <kysn4w=.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>In his latest attack message Steven Dyer once more shows his inability
>to distinguish between curiosity, inquiry, and reporting, and advocacy.
>He is, however, well skilled in thought policing, fascism, and Luddite

I guess he didn't agree with you.  

>Although I'm a relative newcomer to this group, it's abundantly clear
>that Dyer belongs to the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with
>facts" school of thought, and that his idea of logic is name-calling.

Facts?  What facts?   You've cited "famous 15 minute phobia cures,"
famous NLP (No, est) headache cures (which you admit aren't cures)
and actually suggested that someone try & prove that something didn't
happen.  Not the usual scientific MO.  You expect to be taken seriously?

Its good to have an open mind.  Gullibility is another matter. 
There might be something true and useful in NLP - but so far, you
haven't come up with any reason to make any skeptically minded
person believe in neurolinguistic programming.


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From: markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Acne. What can be done?
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:50:52 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

seeger@oceania.com (Seeger Fisher) writes:

>In article <5285@krafla.rhi.hi.is> karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen) writes:
>> I have had a acne problem for 8 years, I'm 23 now, and think that nearly
>> a decade would be enough to satisfy whoever put this curse on me.  
>> 
>> Should I stay off sweets?  

>Yes, and fried foods, too. (helped a lot for me).

>> Eat fruits?  Reduce my in-front-of-monitor worktime?
>> Try Sodium-X2341FG?  Wash my face with soap?  Dance naked ontop of Cray
>> computer singing 'Off, Off, Off, you vermins'?
>> 

>Get a dematologist to perscribe some Cleocin-T (clendomycin?) and some Desquam  
>wash. This stuff works GREAT!! I had the nasty vermin for quite some time, the  
>Cleocin-T 1% gel is incredible!!


10% benzoyl peroxide solution works for me. It's available as Clearasil
(in recent years; used to be some less effective stuff) and others.
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From: sanden@informatik.uni-hildesheim.de (Helge Sanden)
Subject: Heart-Spinal Column Problems
Organization: University of Hildesheim, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:24:12 GMT

Who is able to give some hints about 
the treatment of cardio-vertebral syndroms:

Angina pectoris caused by syndromes of the cervical/thoratic spinal column ?

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: root@nac.ts.kiev.ua (Super user)
Subject: Technology of new medical preparation
Reply-To: root%ts.kiev.ua@ussr.eu.net
Organization: TechnoSoft
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:14:55 +0200

Manufacturing method of medicinal preparation
for treatment of organical deseases of a central
nervous system


This medicinal preparation is effective for threatment
of arachnoidit. The preparation has strongly pronounced
anti-inflaunnatory and anti-commisure action.
Demolition of commisures takes place during several hours. The
threatment with the help of this preparation leads to steady remmisions
during several month for sticking forms of arachnoidit. The medicinal
preparation is made according to original technology.

Kovalenko N. "Kiev & Co" P.Box 953/5, Kiev, Ukraine 254217
t. (044) 418-30-85      Fax (044) 418-30-85
From: heathh@cco.caltech.edu (Heath Ian Hunnicutt)
Subject: Vaporware in the FAQ
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:38:31 GMT

Just an observation....
	
	It sure seems like a lot of the products mentioned in the FAQ
are "beta" or "coming real soon now."  Is this an indication that the
RSI-avoidance industry is newborn, or are there a lot of here today,
gone tomorrow companies in this business?

	I'd be awfully interested in solutions that people are
actually using right now, as opposed to next year.

See ya,
Heath


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From: dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa)
Subject: Re: Physician referral in Boston for typing tendonitis?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:48:07 GMT

  Another suggestion for the boston area is Dr. Wagner at somerville
hospital OT department. She is a "Physiatrist" - basically the MD
outgrowth of OT. Her reputation is one of persistance, and others have
spoken well of her. (I am awaiting my first visit).  Note: If you are
planning to use the workers comp system, beware - the insurance
companies do their best to delay any form of payment (I started a
claim in feb, they have yet to accept responsibility, and the earliest
we will see a courtroom is january - meanwhile my severance runs out
in october, and I won't be eligible for unemployment)

<dp>

Newsgroups: sci.med.occupational
From: msd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Michael Daitzman x3262)
Subject: Re: Physician referral in Boston for typing tendonitis?
Reply-To: msd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Michael Daitzman x3262)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:52:36 GMT

I can't suggest a doctor, but I can suggest a PT/Ergonomist.  

Elaine Lacroix at Hand Rehab. Associates (232-6416).

My Dr. sent me to her "regular PT place,"  they were helpful, but not
very knowledgeable.  My insurance company sent Elaine out for an
ergonomics site visit.  WOW, this lady knows her stuff, she gave me a
list of things to ask my regular PT for and the improvement in my
condition accelerated as a result.

RSI's are what she does, primarily computer related ones. I URGE you to tell
your doctor you want to be referred to her. They may be hesitant since
I think the doctors may get some kind of kickback, but you should insist.

Hope this helps.

Michael.

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