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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:13:55 GMT

In article 6145@cbnewse.cb.att.com, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>
>"You're bad."
>"I disagree."
>"You're just being contrary."
>"No, I'm not."
>"See!?!  See!?!  You always think you're right!!!"

You left out

"You always disagree with everything I say."
"No, I don't."

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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: IQ negatives
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:29:30 GMT

Mike Steiner:
> Please explain the differences between England, the UK and Great Britain. 
> I've always been confused about that.

It's quite simple.  England < Great Britain < UK, where "<" denotes
"is a subset of".

UK - Great Britain = Northern Ireland

Great Britain - England = Wales + Scotland + perhaps a few little islands


Here's a bit of quadrivia*.  Imagine you are in a park in Wales and
wish to heed a call of nature.  You see a building of obvious
function, with two doors marked MERCHED and DYNION.  Perhaps you
cleverly wait a few minutes to see if some locals will enter or
emerge, but none do and you must choose.  Which door?

				Matt


* That's my term for trivial information which could actually be
useful in situations other than trivia contests.
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Jealousy (from the pages of omni....)
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:25:37 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
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kumar yelubandi (kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca) wrote:

> If the charter of MENSA is not an attempt to find a 
> subset in the universal set of human beings, then what 
> is it?  Am I dehumanizing them or are they dehumanizing
> me by insisting I pass some artifically-determined 
> criteria for membership? 

Mensa does not insist you pass there criteria. Unless, of course you
actually wished to join. Why you would have any desire to join an
organisation when you seem be so at odds with their tenets is beyond me.

Either take the test and join or don't, but don't moan about it here, it's
boring.

--
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From: skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Jealousy (from the pages of omni....)
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:35:00 GMT
Organization: Draper Laboratory


>From: CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA <cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu>
>Message-ID: <1993Jan27.194354.13228@ncsu.edu>
>...
>I've realised something else that's common with all Mensahaters: You take the
>trouble to refute the accusations, and they'll conveniently ignore the rebuttal
>and change their theme, or go off on a tangent, or try some imaginative circular
>reasoning to arrive back at square one..their square one. Nothing is going to
>be gained by reasoning with these people as they clearly have an axe to grind.
>We shouldn't waste our time on them. I'll try and follow my own advice from now
>on, unless I find those who are open to reason and aren't just carrying the SAT
>monkey and other emotional baggage on their backs.

Well put.  And even if some of these bashers are right about some people
in Mensa having insufferable egos, I wonder about their (the bashers)
success in networking with other high achievers in their professions.
Many extremely successful, talented, powerful, and/or wealthy people
have very large egos, and that's often because a high sense of
self-worth or drive is needed for extreme attainment.  I'd say to the
bashers, try to be genuinely interested (I know, it's sometimes hard to
do) in someone who brags (assuming they're not lying, of course), much
like a parent might be proud of a child doing the same.  You might be
pleasantly surprised by the rewards.
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From: wecoyote@warner.acme.com[GENIUS COYOTIUS] (Wile E Coyote)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: From the Pages of Omni, Part II
Keywords: dalupaduaduduadladuap
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:00:56 GMT
Reply-To: wecoyote@warener.acme.com (Wile E Coyote)[GENIUS COYOTIUS]
Organization: ACME Catalog Showrooms---Serving 'toons since 1939


Whoops.  Pardon my manners.  I almost forgot to give you 60% a hint on
how to solve the little puzzle.

Let's see, if you take first three-quarters of a line, and then reverse it,
the picture might be a little clearer...  


Also, the answer to the puzzle is equal to the number of posters
as clever as I.














































"avy"   |\| | |_
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:16:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.


In article <1993Jan20.055723.17114@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes...

>>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>|                         Boycott Colorado                            |
>>|     These are my opinions, and not necessarily any one else's.      |
>>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> 
>Your .sig brings up an interesting notion.  I understand the sentiment,
>but isn't this recommending an action that would make the businesses
>suffer rather than the legislators?  I understand that it may have an
>indirect effect, but couldn't many innocent people suffer when their
>legislators could be told directly?  I'm curious as to the various
>opinions regarding this.

The vote was a vote by the PEOPLE, not by legislators. Under our DEMOCRATIC
process in this country, and exemplified by the citizens of Colorado, the
democratic method as determined that the people of Colorado, by a majority
vote, do not want homosexuals to be considered a protected class and subject to
special privileges which are not available to non-homosexuals. 

If something were to be boycotted, how about actually going out, finding which
businesses were actually discriminating based on homosexuality, and boycot
those businesses.

Also, since the 'boycott', it seems that Colorado has been prospering even
more! Guess that the publicity helped.

The thing that galls me is the hypocrisy of those who called for the boycott,
and then exempted themselves and certain areas of Colorado for arbitrary
reasons.

Regards,
Steve.

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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Mensa Japan
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:11:26 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

hloedolf@cs.sun.ac.za (Hans Loedolff) writes:
>Forgive me if this has already been discussed at length in this
>newsgroup, but what happened to Mensa Japan?
>
>-Hans

  They were demoted (or something like that) to a lessor status.  They
  only had about 100 members nation wide for many years and it seems it
  was not growing; so the AMC said "Ciao!" to them.

  I guess high IQ societies don't go well with culture where the big saying
  is "The nail that sticks out gets hammered first."

  BTW, yesterday's Boston Globe carried an article about unusual children
  (either very smart or very dumb) being bullied by their peers in Japanese
  grade schools.  They even had a special word for it but I don't have
  the article handy.  (It's at home.)

  -John


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From: zwanenbu@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl (Godwin Zwanenburg)
Subject: Re: Budget cuts
Organization: Centre for Manufacturing Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:55:54 GMT

In article <C197ps.HHC@world.std.com>, apb@world.std.com (Al Beecy) writes:
> In article <mike_steiner-210193102142@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>>In article <wanagin.037e@kingkong.escape.de>, wanagin@kingkong.escape.de
>>(Ulf Bahrenfuss) wrote:
> 
>>> >14) Stop paying to send national editors and AMC members to IGs
>>> 
>>> It is thier job to be there, so you must pay them.
>>
>>No, it is their job to go to IBD meetings; they don't have to go to
>>international gatherings.
> 
> I believe it's the Nat Reps' jobs to attend IBD. All of the rest have a
> choice.
> 

All the cost of attending the IG by nat-reps (4 for the US) is paid by Mensa
International. Also all the cost of attending the IBD meetings by nat-reps is
paid by Mensa International.

The fact that AMC has appointed 7 natreps does not involve any cost for AML.
The other 3 are reserves, if one of the first 4 is unable to attend.

Mensa asks his volonteers to do a lot of work, are they supposed to pay for all 
the expences involved? That makes the offices only open to people who not only
want and can take the time to do the job, but also only to people who can 
afford to spend the money to do the job. Is that what we want?


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From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 22 JAN 93 16:55:25 EST


In article <1993Jan21.175104.12192@eagercon.com>, eager@eagercon.com (Michael
J. Eager) writes...

>did little to oppose it, in contrast to Oregon, where virtually all of the
>politicians opposed an anti-gay initiative.

NOT ANTI-GAY, ANTI-GIVING-SPECIAL-RIGHTS-FOR-GAYS-THAT-HETEROS-DONT-HAVE

I perceive it to be a significant difference.

Regards,
Steve.

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From: jwp@chem.ucsd.edu (John Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Moving national office
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:19:07 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept, UC San Diego
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jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) writes:
 > 
 > .... we should seriously be thinking of saving Mensa bucks by moving
 > headquarters out of New York City.

How much would we save?  That, by the way, is a request for the results
of actual analysis of the costs and savings of moving the office, not the
usual opinionated-and-purely-third-hand-ancedotal-guessing that this issue
(and far too many others involving the administration of this organization)
typically engenders.

-- John Pierce, Chemistry, UC San Diego
   LocSec, San Diego Mensa
   jpierce@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: rjarecki@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Robert Jarecki)
Subject: Re: From the pages of Omni...
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:06:37 GMT

In article <1jke2oINNjm1@wendy-fate.UU.NET> kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones) writes:
>michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) wrote:
> > Anyway, here we are in a society where all humans are created
> > equal, only there's this IQ thing which demonstrates that
> > nature plays favorites, and that we really AREN'T all created
> > equal. This is counter to the equality premise of our society.
> > To be demonstrably more intelligent than your peer group is
> > almost quite literally unAmerican, which may explain why
> > social discriminations against the highly intelligent are
> > tolerated in our school systems.

Perhaps I am jumping in with a question that has already been
answered in previous discussion, but how are you defining "created"
as opposed to "born" or "endowed"?

Is the definition of "created" being used in this discussion concerned
only with mental and physical attributes?  Is there any consideration
of which of Webster's definitions is appropriate?  Are people "produced
through imaginative skill (Webster's 7th New Collegiate)?

Perhaps you are confusing "born" with "created."  It seems there was
considerable discussion of this in junior high Civics.  The intention
of "All men are created equal" is not equality of birth.  And, the later
remarks in the discussion regarding resentment of effortless achievement
make more sense to me:


>. . .  People respect hard work.
>
>But to go through school and see bastards like you and I ace test
>after test with little or no preparation is another matter.  Even
>if we go on to take advanced degrees, clearly we didn't have to
>work too hard to get them.
>
>If there were people who could run 2:15 marathons without
>training, they would be hated as well.
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A newcomer...
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:25:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.


In article <727732844.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>,
Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes...

> MJE> I don't think anyone has been archiving rec.org.mensa.   That is an
> MJE> idea whose time has not yet come.  (The idea of preserving Scott Tai
> MJE> and flames back and forth for all posterity is somewhat disturbing.)
> 
>How apropos, preserving a horse's posterior for posterity....

Well, now that he has his own newsgroup...

Regards,
Steve.

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: fulco@imag.imag.fr (patrick fulconis)
Subject: cost of a Nikon F90 ?
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:13:17 GMT


-- 

Please,
 how much is the Nikon F90 in US ?

thanks

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From: fanelli@gagme.chi.il.us (michael fanelli)
Subject: Re: > Re: PENTAX 6x7 Questions
Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth
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Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:01:31 GMT

Dan Baum (drb@studmuffin.asd.sgi.com) wrote:
: I would also like to hear from people using P67 or other medium format
: cameras for travelling, etc..  I have an RB67 that I don't mind lugging
: around for a day, but for multi-week trips it gets a bit out of control.
: I looked briefly at a P67.  It would be easier to hand-hold & carry 
: than an RB67, but it is still fairly heavy.  It also appears to use
: fairly old technology.  Mamiya 6 would be a possibility, but it's big $$
: in the U.S..  I also looked at some of the 645 cameras (M645, P645), but
: they weren't that comfortable for hand holding.
: 
: Any comments or suggestions would be appeciated, I'm leaving in a few
: weeks!!
: 
: P.S. I'm not willing to spend the bucks for a Hasselblad.
: -- 

I have been carrying a Pentax 67 and two lens (105,165) through the 
mountains (hills?) of Western North Carolina for a few months now.
It will hand hold nicely (though I don't handhold, not even 35mm)
because of it's shape. The weight is much more than my Pentax LX
35mm system, but everything fits nicely into a Photoflex MFP
and on airplanes. If you are looking for a truly handheld quick
shooting MF, your only real choice is a Mamiya 6. Best idea I was
ever given: rent first! I am glad I did.

				mwf
				72040.2460@compuserve.com
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: A teleconverter question
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:35:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <C1H4Jq.C1C@acsu.buffalo.edu>, tklai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Tobysze K. Lai) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> 	Has anyone tried to use a 1.4x teleconverter on the Canon EF
> 100-300 USM before?  With the maximum aperture of f/5.6 at the 300mm end,
> is autofocus still possible?  What will the f/ stop be if the max aperture
> of the lens is f/2.8?
> 

The Canon EF 1.4x will not fit this lens. The Tamron will (as will Sigma,
Vivitar, Tokina, but I think the Tamron is better). Autofocus will
almost certainly not work. Even if it does it will not be reliable.
For an f2.8 lens with a 1.4x you will get an effective f4.

===============================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow)
Subject: Re: Funky Leica Winder?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:42:22 GMT

rkatos@hpunila.MSR.HP.COM (Ray Katos) writes:

>I've heard of a Leicavit, made by Leitz for at least screw mount 
>cameras.  It replaced the baseplat and had a retractable lever.
>One squeeze advanced one film frame.  They are collectable now, 
>going from $600 to $1400.
I'm sure there was a Leicavit for M Leicas. My cousin had one on his
M2.
-- 
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From: exjtmm@tts.lth.se (Thommy M. Malmstr|m)
Subject: Re: TMax and D76
Organization: Communication Systems, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:18:22

>>>>> "LP" == Laura Poole <laurap@neuro.duke.edu> writes:

LP> TMax developer is rather expensive, and I was hoping to use D76
LP> when I run out of what I have now...I've used D76 before, but not with
LP> TMax. Any comments? 

I've only used TMax with D-76 (1+1) (Until this week I've only use
D-76 (1+1).) and with the ISO 100 it's quite nice. I develop for it
for 10 min. at 20 Celcius and the result is OK for me. Almost no
grain. Yesterday I tried a developer called FR-3 from a company in
Croatia (!). I developed a Tri-X (EI 200) for 4 min. (at 20 deg.) and
it was a bit overdeveloped. The developer was diluted 1+2.
FR-3 is really cheap, something like 1/3 of the D-76 (in Sweden). 
 
/Thommy M.

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From: tstark@access.digex.com (Timothy M. Stark)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Fisheye lens
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:36:44 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: world
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Hey Everyone:

     I am looking for a fisheye lens (180 degrees of wide angle) or adapter
for my Pentax K1000 with 50mm f/2 and 28mm-200mm f/4 lens. Does anyone have
the good fisheye lens (or adapter)? If so, can you give me a pointer to
include company name or mail order with a 800 number?

     A few years ago, I have seen 7.5mm f/4 lens for Minotla only and 
a fisheye lens adapter with any 35mm camera with 28mm or 50mm lens. Today
I have hard time to look for it because I plan to buy it.

    For basic fact: a fisheye lens give a picture of circular images.

    If so, I will appericate that. Thanks you!

-- Tim Stark

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From: kbb0@harvey.gte.com (Kevin Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Apartment Darkrooms
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:29:51 GMT

In article <vdto4is@zola.esd.sgi.com>, donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis) writes:
> 
> In article <6373@ceylon.gte.com>, kbb0@harvey.gte.com (Kevin Burke) writes:
> 
> |> While it may sound too obvious, I started bringing a low chair into the
> |> bathroom since I am set up exactly the same way. I tend to spend
> |> considerable time at the enlarger *or* at the trays. Having the chair
> |> really made a difference in lengthening the time of a typical printing
> |> session before fatigue sets in.
> 
> You mean your bathroom is big enough for the porcelain fixtures, sink,
> shower and/or tub, enlarger, trays, a human being, *and* a chair?
> Zowwy!  What a luxury!  In my case, I might pick, oh, any four of
> those...  and some are not optional!  :)
> 
Yes, my life is spoil't of such luxury, although, I demand 45 minutes
notice from other users of said facilities so that I can make the
darkroom a bathroom again. Seems that while in "dark mode", use of the
fixtures in the originally intended manner could be hazardous to ones
health courtesy of our local electric company. ;)

- Kevin "Anything with I can put plywood on is a work surface" Burke
Organization: Hunt Institute for Botanical Documentatn, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:54:36 -0500 
From: "Frank A. Reynolds" <fr0c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Viewing Filters

For years I have seen "viewing filters" listed in catalogs (they all
seem to sell the same one made by Peak).  One catalog I have states that
viewing filters will "render tonal values as they will be reproduced by
film".

1.   Has anyone had any experience with them, I'm just interested in the
one for
     Black & White film?

2.   Are they mainly/only for outdoor work or can they be used for evaluating
     paintings under tungsten lights also?

3.   Is the Kodak Wratten 90 (Monochrome Viewing) Filter the same filter
     unmounted?



Frank Reynolds
From: monson@ece.orst.edu (Ty Monson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Technidol LC vs Technidol Liquid - What's the Diff.?
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:14:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1k2hbuINNpf0
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
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This evening, as I prepared to process a 120 roll of Kodak's Technical 
Pan film, I discovered that the instructions for my Technidol LC 
developer boldly announce that it is NOT for use with Tech Pan in 120
size (identified as 6415 film). Took me by surprise.

So, can anyone get me straightened out about the distinctions between
2415 (35mm tech pan) and 6415 (120 tech pan, I guess)
and what is the difference between technidol LC and technidol liquid?

I could try Kodak's 800 number, but I'm afraid I might end up going
around in circles trying to get answers to such general questions from
the big corporate bureaucracy.
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