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From: dreier@beirut.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Theorist vs. Mathematica vs. Maple V?
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:51:25
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu's message of 25 Aug 1992 04:39:38 GMT

In article <17cdiaINNlrs@agate.berkeley.edu> sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai) writes:
   I need a symbolic math package.  What are the strengths & limitations of
   Theorist, Mathematica, and Maple V?  I am not an engineer, nor plan to be,
   so MathLab and such ilk are not a consideration.

This may not be quite accurate, because I have used Theorist on the Mac but
my main experience with Mathematica and Maple V is on Sun workstations.  But
with that said, I think I can safely say:

Theorist SUCKS!

Theorist has all these nice ads telling you how much better it is than Maple
and Mathematica, telling you to "trade up" from those programs. Theorist does
have a prettier interface, but its capabilities are FAR inferior to those
of Maple and Mathematica. Theorist doesn't do arbitrary precision arithmetic,
for example. Everything is just harder to do, or impossible, compared to the
other packages.  Pretty integral signs just don't cut it for me.

Maple V and Mathematica are pretty evenly matched. I happen to think Wolfram
(the "genius" behind Mathematica) is an asshole, and Maple has a better X
Windows interface than Mathematica, so I've always used Maple. But it
pretty much is a toss-up.  I think Maple for the mac might be cheaper than
Mathematica for the Mac, so that would probably be the way to go. (BTW, an
anecdote about Wolfram: someone wanted to run Mathematica on their Cray,
and Wolfram said it would cost $250,000 per CPU, adding up to a cool million
to run Mathematica on the 4-processor Cray 2. Needless to say, that was one
sale he didn't make).

Roland
dreier@math.berkeley.edu
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Roland Dreier                                        dreier@math.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: andy@infotec.ch (Andrew Warinner)
Subject: AOL non-800 phone number?
Keywords: AOL, phones, Yabba Dabba Doo
Organization: Infotec S.A.
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:54:42 GMT


Does anyone out there in netland have a non-800 phone number 
for AOL's subscription or account department?  800 phone
numbers don't work out here in the technological hinterlands. ;-)

Thanks in advance,

Andrew Warinner				"Semper ubi sub ubi"
(andy@infotec.ch)			Infotec S.A.
phone: 022/786 50 55			8 avenue de Frontenex
fax:   022/786 50 61			1207 Geneva, Switzerland
From: mpreval@eng.clemson.edu (michael prevallet)
Subject: Re: Does StyleWriter do envelopes?
Summary: Yes
Reply-To: mpreval@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:23:37 GMT

Keywords: 

Yes, The StyleWriter works great for printing envelopes.  The only problem that I
have come across is when the envelopes is that the ink runs when it gets wet(a problem 
with most ink jets).  All of the letters that I have mailed have been delevered but I am a little scared to send anything extremly important.  

	I use word 5.0 to print my envelopes.  If you would like to know the format that I use to print it (Tabs and such) email me here at Clemson and I will get you that information.
From: Borel@elsrfm.epfl.ch (Borel Philippe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: DiskDoubler 3.7.6 and System 7.1b7 problem
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:17:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

I recently updated my 7.01 system to 7.1b7 and I found that DiskDoubler
3.7.6
init (running with Autodoubler 1.07i) didn't work anymore.
The DD menu has all it's items disabled...and there's no way to get them
active again !

Does anyone have an answer ?
Is there an update for DD ?
Help !!!
From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Which Macs have floating-point units?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:21:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.yuan1.715465289
Distribution: usa


Can anyone tell me which Macs come standard with math coprocessors (FPU)?
I know the IIci does, but are there others?  There was a nice summary of
the difference between Mac models posted here a month or two ago, but alas
I don't have it.  If anyone could send it to me, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
-nhy


-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nina H. Yuan                               "It's a miracle that curiosity
nina@panix.com                              survives formal education."
yuan1@husc.harvard.edu                                  - Albert Einstein
From: larry@spike.rprc.washington.edu (Larry Shupe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Copyright of letters (was Re: ewright is full of Bull.....)
Keywords: copyright mail
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:14:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.151427.18985
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Sep3.180744.22831@ntg.com> dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:

[deleted for brevity]

> If the letter was transmitted privately, then it was the
> (implicit or explicit) decision of the author to keep the content of the
> message private, and the recipient does not have the legal right to
> override the author's decision without permission.

I believe it is only the senders words that cannot be used.  There is
no reason why the recipient cannot DESCRIBE the CONTENTS of the
message in his or her own words as he or she interprets the letter.
Also it is probably permissible to quote excerpts from the letter as
long as they are clearly marked as quoted.  Does anyone know more
about this?
--
Larry Shupe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:53:29 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <92240.120751ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:

>See above. A device or program w/o documentation is no device or program.
>It`s simply nonexistent for any practical purpose. If I depend on it
>which is surely true in case of an OS I need doumentation i.e. pay cash.

Um, why should you *need* documentation to use the operating system.
Do you need documentation to drive your car?  Use your imagination 
for a moment. Imagine a distant, far-off land where computers are
more like cars than PCs.  A land where you can turn on a computer
and begin using it without ever opening a book.  A land called...
Macintosh.

 
>>Of course, why anyone would want AU/X is an interesting question.

>Ask Apple, they obviosly thought it was a good idea to develope it. Or
>perhaps they had some spare money. In that case the interesting question
>is why ?

The answer is obvious, isn't it?  Apple has no desire to make money --
one look at their marketing strategy over the past eight years will
confirm that. :-)


>I don`t know what you mean with German scripts, but when you buy a 
>German wordprocessor or a German spread-sheet then you get German 
>software. 

Foreign-language scripts are OS components that allow Mac users to 
do word-processing in German or Russian or Japanese or Spanish using
*any* word processor instead of requiring software that is specially 
written for a specific language.  Ditto with your spreadsheet.  When
you use the German or British version of the operating system, the 
spreadsheet you bought in the US will automatically adjust to handle
German or British currency conventions, dates, etc.  Even the lowest
of low-end Macs has this capability, which Microsoft and IBM have
yet to match.  Do I really need to lecture a European on how important 
this capability is?
From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Quickeys 2.1
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:40:47 EST
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
Distribution: na
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <l9kknlINNobu@aludra.usc.edu> (comp.sys.mac.misc), jenks@usc.edu (Stephen Jenks) writes:

>So I'm asking:
>	Do you like Quickeys?

YES!

>and	What do you use it for that makes it indispensible in your life?

Cmd-F13: 		more colours on screen with mouse
Cmd-Shift-F13: 	less colours
Cmd-F14: 		louder sound
Cmd-Shift-F14: 	softer sound
PageUp/PageDown/Home/End work in ALL applications (even the broken
	ones!)
Control-Help: 	toggles balloon help
Help: 			Beeps (I am ALWAYS hitting the help key when I want
				to delete!
Cmd-M:			in finder, makes an alias
*fax* icon:		an icon on the desktop that sets the current printer
				to my fax modem.
*deskwriter* icon:an icon on my desktop that sets the current printer
				to my DW.  Also allows drag & drop printing.
Cmd-`:			brings up menu of keys:
	4:			brings up submenu of commonly used Appleshare drives
		1-4:		logs in & mounts the volume selected

Ever have to set attributes for a lot of resources, all alike?
It is much less painful when cmd-return closes the current resource,
opens the next, and positions the cursor for the next value.

Etc.  Well worth it!

>Please tell me what useful tasks Quickeys automates for you. In
>addition, if you've run into any problems or incompatibilities, please
>tell me that, too!

So far, only one: QK will only work with the first *10* applications.
This means that if you are running things like Darkside, etc (applications
that do the work of INITs) or Toolserver (applications that really
should have been pure background applications), and you have a lot
of memory, and you don't quit applications until you need to, some
applications will not be able to do quickkeys.

+C


-------------------------------------------------------------
Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us

"F' cryin' out loud, it's *your* life; shouldn't you at least examine 
your lifestyle values to see if they are really what *you* want."
										--Keith Lim
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: comp.binaries.mac question
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Sep3.180826.9837
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.

I have a question about how c.b.m works, since it's moderated.

Two weeks ago I sent two files, both were <50K in size, and they haven't
been zapped out on comp.binaries.mac yet.  Does the moderator look
at everything and deem what is worthy, or what?  How long does it
take to check (if he does indeed check) a small 44k binhex file?  It
must not take too long, since we have the commercial program updates,
made up of 5 or so parts, constantly being sent through.

So tell me, am I just impatient or does it really take this long?

-Brent
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Man2RTF, other UNIX Mac utils
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:46:34 GMT

   Out of curiosity, I visited rascal.ics.utexas.edu today and found  
Man2RTF.c (which doesn't seem to want to compile, but I'm working on it.. :).  
I know there's another such program for UNIX and there was talk about it not  
long ago, but as I remember, I could never get it to work, so this looked  
good. :)
Anyone know anything about this? I found it in /misc/mac/unix-utilities, BTW.
   Also, I was bored, so I decided to browse a few documents I had laying  
around (which I don't anymore, but heh..). One of them mentioned a UNIX  
program that would take MacWrite (II?) files and convert them to straight  
text for quick and easy reading.. Any information on either of these two  
would really help. Please e-mail and/or post a followup if you have something  
to share.
   Thanks! Have a nice day, and spread good cheer!!! :) :) :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gblanken@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gerime P Blankenship)
Subject: stuffit/compact pro
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:31:52 GMT

     So I tried to expand from within both stuffit lite and compact pro.  The
mac won't even show them as a choice to expand.  Could someone tell me how to
expand files that don't work from either stuffit lite or compact pro.

                                   Thank you,
                                   gblanken@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PowerBook 170 <--> Ethernet <--> Sun ..... HELP
From: zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:20:06 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State Academic Computing

In article <1992Sep3.012439.23161@news.Hawaii.Edu>, grw@cartan.tmc.edu
(George R. Wilkens) wrote:
> 1. Does anyone make an ethernet card for a PB 170? I doubt that anyone does,
>    but you never know.
> 
> 2. If I can not put an ethernet card in the PB 170, can I use an
>    Apple Talk <---> Ethernet bridge?
> 

  Weel, if you have lookes at the PB170 you'll see that there is _no_room_
for a Ethernet card in the little buggers.  However there are people who do
make Ethernet adaptors that run off the SCSI port of the slotless Macs. 
With an adaptor cable (HDI-30 to C 50, or D 25) you should be able to get
the PowerBook on the net.  Mix in a little MacTCP (about 1.1 version), and
you are up on TCP/IP.  Once on TCP/IP you should not need a bridge to get
to the Sun.


- Greg Talmo  (zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu)
                                   | The opinions expressed above are my
own,
 "Mothers are much fonder of their |and do not necessarily reflect the
 children than are fathers, for    |opinions, tastes, or policies of Winona
 they are more certian that they   |State University, its faculty, staff or
 are their own."       - Aristotle |students.
From: hopper@cs.ucsd.edu (Steve Hopper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: 40SC tape b/u program
Keywords: 40sc tape
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:51:00 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
Originator: hopper@empyrean.ucsd.edu


Whats the latest 40sc backup utility version.  I have 2.0.1.

Is there anything more recent?

thanks

Steve
From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Prince Of Persia DEMO: Where?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:57:53 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1836ejINNlov@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) writes:
> 
> Could somone tell me the site and file name where I can get the
> Prince of Persia demo on? Thanks a lot!
> -- 
>          Travis Grundke- Contributing Editor, MacGames Digest
>                       an780@cleveland.freenet.edu
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
>     MacGames Digest: The first magazine dedicated to Macintosh Gaming.


It's in mac.archive.umich.edu in the directory 
"/mac/game/demo" under the title "popdemo.sit.hqx"

					--Seamus Cooney

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: terjer@ifi.unit.no (Terje Rydland)
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Organization: Ifi, University of Trondheim / AVH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:39:36 GMT


>>Windows effectively has no 640k barrier, and OS/2 cannot.  Period.

I think I will just tell a story:

I have a friend who is definitely not a Mac user. He works in a place
where they produces maps, and they needed a system that could
manipulate maps in 24 bit colour. The datafiles for producing
these maps are about 20 - 60 MB in size, and they wanted to manipulate
these maps with commercial drawing packages like Illustrator or
Freehand or something similar. For speed they need to have all
the data in RAM as they work.

They set up a test which included a 50 Mz 486 and a NExT Station. After
talking to me they also included a Quadra 700 (very reluctantly). All
machines were equiped to handle 24 bit colour and with approx. 60-70
MB RAM.

The results:
The Quadra and the NExT Station were about the same in speed, but the
Quadra was very much cheaper(as far as I understood mainly  because of the 24
bit
colour requirement)! 
The Windows machine couldn't handle the job at all because, as they said,
when the datafiles were larger than 3-6 MB everything just stopped!

This suggests to me a serious memory handling problem in Windows. So,
theoretically
 the 640k barrier probably doesn't exist, but there is a difference between
theory and praxis.

Oh, by the way - they did buy the Quadra! Not because it was a Mac (in fact
they
tried as hard as they could not to buy the Mac), but because it was the only
machine that could do the job within reasonable cost!

Terje Rydland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Pete Kelly <pfkelly@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Stuffit SpaceSaver:  Works Great!
X-Xxdate: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:42:53 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research/Northern Telecom
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:35:56 GMT

Stuffit SpaceSaver:  Works Great!
When can the rest of us expect SpaceSaver 1.0.1 ?
From: wpc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Statview II crashes
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:39:56 -0500

I have a friend with StatView II on a PB170. He gets a type 1 system
error every time he opens more than one Statview window and then closes
one of them. This happens if Statview is the only application open or not.
He is running system 7.01-tuned with 4 megs Ram. No virtual memory and
24 bit memory addressing and no ram disk. Any ideas?

Wendell Cropper

WPC@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.system
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Aliases (was Re: # of files)
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Aug27.220740.2524@qualcomm.com>
	<1992Aug28.175934.10435@waikato.ac.nz>
	<1992Aug28.131941.19238@qualcomm.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:37:53 GMT

> sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:

   Other than that, I don't buy Apple's arguments about how wonderful
   aliases are.  The choice, in particular, to prefer directory ids (something
   the user can neither see nor control) to  pathnames (full or relative,
   UNIX gives you your choice) strikes me as unfortunate.

Aliases have room for growth. I added a special feature that
stores a relative path for items on the same volume as the
"relative" alias pointer (which has never worked too well for
me) and use wrapper functions to check for this, text-based,
relative path first and fall through to the alias manager if
it doesn't work.

Not too much code, and works nicely; mounts remote file servers
when you want them too, and keeps "local" stuff reasonably simple
to switch around.

   Anybody who has ever written a mac program that has to deal with files
   except in a standard file context understands just how insane the Mac
   filesystem is--Cub scouts everywhere should be glad that the filesystem
   doesn't have a crawl space.  Aliases are allowing just a little of that
   madness to show.

I don't think it's too hard; you must be doing something wrong.
Write four wrappers for PBGetCatInfo, and use FSSpecs for storing
info, and you'll be a happy camper (you can use the FSSpec structure
under 6.0 as well, but not the calls...)

   UNIX symlinks with a mount capability would have been cleaner, IMHO.

Nope, I love to rename files and still have aliases point to them.
-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: sundsted@amnese.eng.uab.edu (Todd Sundsted)
Subject: Kanjitalk
Summary: What is kanjitalk
Keywords: Kanjitalk
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:38:17 GMT

What is Kanjitalk, is it PD (free), and where can I get it?  Please respond
by EMail.  Thanks.

			Todd Sundsted
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: After Dark 1.00 updater -->2.0v????
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:50:45 GMT

Perhaps someone here can help me...
I've got an old version (ok, ok, v 1.00) of After Dark, and I'd LIKE to be able
to use MAD.  I've downloaded the v2.0v Updater, but it tells me it can't update
anything before 2.00. 8^(  Is there an updater somewhere on the net available? 
Or am I going to have to plunk down the $28 for a new copy?

Any advice, pointers, money, whatever, will be appreciated greatly!

Many thanks in advance...

Bruce
-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: PowerBook 170 <--> Ethernet <--> Sun ..... HELP
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:58:17 GMT

nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>     SMTP - Simple Mail Transfer Protocol; how mail gets around the Internet.
>       Requires the machines that talk it to be up most of the time.
>
>Not necessarily; I can have mail delivered to me over the Internet and not
>be connected, so long as there's an MX record for me upstream, and the
>mail holding service will turn round the SMTP connection and deliver mail
>to me when I connect.

In theory, that's true.  In practice, the TURN command is rarely
implemented, and few systems are willing to hold mail for more
than 2 or three days.  One long wekend, and your mail is history.

I've redirected follow-ups to comp.sys.mac.comm, where this thread
is the least inappropriate.
-- 
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Taking arms and by opposing end them, definitely.
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Apple recycling
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:00:17 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

Recently there was a discussion about how great a company Apple was, partly
because they're so heavily into recycling.  I came across this in a recent
TidBITS:

******
Apple Toner Recycling, Uh Huh!
------------------------------
  by Don Rittner -- afcmns@aol.com

  Geez, talk about silly policies. It seems that at every chance
  Apple takes one step forward and two backward! I recently called
  the Apple toll free number to request 50 return labels for the
  Apple Toner recycling campaign. If you have a used Apple-label
  toner cartridge, Apple will prepay the shipping for you to return
  the spent toner cartridge. Apple then donates 50 cents to the
  National Wildlife Federation and the Nature Conservancy. Seems
  like a good deal, but wait, there's more!

  I asked for 50 labels since I wanted to pass them out to members
  of my user group at the next meeting. The pleasant fellow at the
  other end said he could only send me one! I said, "One. Doesn't it
  make sense to send more than one, because if 50 of my members call
  and request labels as well, Apple wastes paper, envelopes,
  postage, and so on? Did I miss something here? Isn't this suppose
  to help reduce waste?"

  Well he asked his manager and with the executive decision in place
  I will receive THREE labels!

  Sometimes you have to wonder what goes on in the minds of
  corporate America!
******

I have to agree with the author of this bit.  I don't know if anyone with any
pull at Apple is listening, but someone ought to tell the left hand what the
right one is doing.

--Adam--
 
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