HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: support@well.sf.ca.us (WELL Support Staff)
Subject: Forged postings that used the WELL's name and user Hugo Gonzalez
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:34:57 GMT

Hi folks.  This is Matisse Enzer at the WELL in Sausalito, California.

The (hugoglez) account has been suspended by the WELL's management.

Recently, this account was cracked due to having a weak password.
Some rather offensive postings were made using the account in a
variety of newsgroups (mostly music related).(This was all around
Sept. 6-8, 1992)

We (WELL managment) restricted the account at that time and spoke with
Hugo Gonzalez, the real owner of the (hugoglez) account.  We are
satisfied that Mr. Gonzalez did NOT make the offensive postings, and
furthermore has probably never used USENET in his life.  We changed
the password and reopened the account. We also posted an apology to
all the newsgroups that we knew had received the racist postings.
(This was on Sept. 9 I think)

Then, today, we learned that someone is continuing to make postings to
various groups (ca.driving is one we know of right now) in such a way
to make it look like the posting were made by (hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us)
- which is NOT TRUE.  The (hugoglez) account has had no logins from
Sept. 8 until this today (Sept. 13), and this will be it's last login ever
- I have logged into it to create this message  and set up the vacation
program to send this message automatically to people who send mail to
(hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us).

We are going to offer Mr. Gonzalez a new account on the WELL, with a
different username.

As you might imagine, the (hugoglez) accounts' mailbox is rather full
(93 message as I write this :-).  We will be sending a version of this
message to everyone who sent mail to (hugoglez) about the USENET
postings.

If anyone would like to discuss this matter with us on the telephone
the WELL can be reached at 415-332-4335, Monday-Friday, 9-5 Pacific
time.

We appreciate how much of a pain all this is, and we hope it all calms
down sooner than later.

		-Matisse Enzer
		 WELL Customer Support Manager


Xref: sparky ca.driving:2084 rec.autos:21502
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
Subject: An Expenditure of Lexi (was Re: A Gaggle of Lexi)
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:40:30 GMT
            <1992Sep4.164536.29632@sequent.com>
            <26096@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <26096@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
 by jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov:

: I suggest that the proper plural is "Lexi" and a good collective
: term would be "an expenditure of Lexi," reflecting my opinion 
: that for $40 000 a car ought to come with an upper-half-of-the-room
: cleaning robot that protects the upholstery by intercepting your 
: spilled coffee in midair.

I LOVE IT!!

Let it be noted for the record that the Subject: line for this thread 
is now "An Expenditure of Lexi".

Mr. Secretary, log that into the minutes, thank you.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Remember, even if you win the rat race -- you're still a rat.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:42:42 GMT

he might have been coming from court (you never know) (is there a county
courthouse in Moutain View? (or deliving some paperwork) 

s
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: Mr_b
Subject: Those expired registrations
Organization: LMSC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:40:37 GMT


Does anything every happen to those cars/drivers that I see driving
around with expired tags on their CA license plates?
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Speeding ticket fine reduction
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:53:08 GMT

Has anybody ever contested a speeding ticket to plea for a lower fine.
I recently was cited for speeding, but there's no way that I would be
able to fight the ticket and win.  However, I was wondering what the
prospects would be for contesting it, hoping that the officer woulnd't
show, but that if he did, plead with the judge for a lower fine.
I was cited for 68 in a 55, but the road was totally straight, no traffic
anywhere near me, sunny day, etc.  Therefore, I would plead that because
of the situation, I shouldn't be fined too heavily.  Does anybody agree?
Has anybody ever tried this.  I know that if I do fight it for the sole
purpose of hoping that the officer won't show that the judge may, if he
wants, raise the fine.  So, I would like to here ant comments, etc.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Those expired registrations
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:16:14 GMT
Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro
Originator: richard@astro.West.Sun.COM

6648470@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>Does anything every happen to those cars/drivers that I see driving
>>around with expired tags on their CA license plates?
>Unless the car is stopped by a officer of the law, they are unnoticed
>and unpunished.

Two stories:

I recently was pulled over by an officer of the law (CHP), and my expired
tags *still* went unnoticed.  They were only a few weeks past due (and
we had passed into a different month), but still I expected the cop to
at least say something about it.  I know he did look at the expiration
date because he wrote it onto the ticket, but he just ignored it.

On another occasion, I was pulled over *specifically* for not having an
up-to-date sticker on my boat trailer.  I was registered, but I guess I
either lost the sticker before putting it on or the sticker fell off.
To make it worse, I couldn't find the registration slip in my boat bag.
As soon as the cop verified by radio that I was registered, though, she
sent me on my way.  This was a holiday weekend and near a popular boating
lake, and I suspect that the local CHP was specifically looking out for
boaters who take the boat out once a year and don't bother to register
it.

     Richard M. Mathews			F oster 
					 E stonian-Latvian-Lithuanian
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  I ndependence and
					   F reedom!
From: hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us (Hugo Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: GUARANTEED method to avoid traffic tickets.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:35:36 GMT

I haven't gotten a ticket in over a year now, although I've been
pulled over a few times.  My secret?  Pepper gas!  When the cop
comes up to the window, pretend to fumble around looking for your
license for a while, giving him your license with your right hand.
With your left hand holding the can of pepper gas, hold out your
license for him to take.  As he starts to reach for it, bring your
left hand up and spray him in the face with the gas and pull your
license back.  Make sure you leave your engine running, drop it
into gear and haul ass out of there!  The cop will not be able
to get your plates if you manage a direct shot to the eyes.

Be careful doing this!  If he happens to run your plates before
approaching the car, you will be screwed big time for assaulting
an officer.  The way I avoid having them run my plates is making
sure they are always pretty dirty and hard to see.  Another method
which works pretty well is to come to a real loooooong rolling stop
with the cop behind you.  He will get a bit aggravated that you
do not stop immediately and tailgate you a bit.  Now hit the brakes
hard, so he almost rearends you.  He will not be able to see your plate
from the car, and will be pissed, so he will come right up to you
to demand your license.  (Cops are so predictable).  Now just gas him
and leave.

My father taught me this trick and he has used it about 15 times or
so in the last few years.  I have only done it 3 times, but it worked
every time.  Neither of us has ever been busted for this.

Good luck!
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: tickets and insurance
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:38:07 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:

>The problem is that the people gambling are not the ones who have
>to pay the price since often they have cheap cars.

I like cheap Datsuns. Why should I pay for your Lexi ?

-- richard

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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: pete@wvus.org (Pete Gregory)
Subject: FAQ requested
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 13:55:21 GMT

Hi - my wife got a ticket last week for doing 70mph on the 605 fwy; she
was the slowest car around.  I think she was picked because her car
stands out (red Corolla GTS) - not that this is a good defense.

My site expires ca.driving too fast - the monthly FAQ isn't here.  Could
someone kindly mail it to me?

Advice/anecdotes on a possible defense also appreciated.
-- 

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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Those expired registrations
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:27:02 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

6648470@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>>Does anything every happen to those cars/drivers that I see driving
>>around with expired tags on their CA license plates?

>Unless the car is stopped by a officer of the law, they are unnoticed
>and unpunished.  The DMV had (maybe still has) a phone number to turn
>in out-of-staters who didn't register their cars, but I don't know
>if it still exists, or if they would take a report about expired
>registration.

I was talking to a lady at the DMV a few days ago, while registering my
seriously out-of-registration vehicle, (-:, after my Nth ticket, and we
had an interesting little chat.

First of all, she was amused by my claim that I was supporting my State,
considering the accumulated fines ( about $500 ).

Second of all, she confided that she had learned that, while DMV employees
were paid during the fiscal crisis, because they were 'revenue generating',
in her words, the CHP were not. If I were a CHP officer, that would not be
a great motivator for me to collect 'revenues', if, indeed, that was why I
had become a police officer in the first place.

Third of all, we both agreed that the legislators had shafted the folks
they represented badly by closing DMVs on Saturdays. She estimated that
90% of those she saw said the same thing I said, on this topic. Clearly,
most employers are unsympathetic, not to say indifferent, to their em-
-ployees being stopped or arrested. In my case, I do 50- to 60-hour weeks,
I kid you not, and I just don't have that kind of time, usually.

Fourth, in my case, I carry all sorts of safety equipment - flares, fire
extinguishers, spare water - in my vehicle, and have no problem convin-
-cing most officers who stopped me that I was not a threat to society's
wellbeing, but, exactly the opposite, and that, in my own time, I would
get this attended to. Having the smog certificate in my pocket helped. I
avoided having my car and driver's license run through the computer several
times in this fashion.

Most police are interested ins aving lives. They have no interest in taking
people with a similar conviction off the streets, I assure you.

"... they are ... unpunished."

Show me the victim.

-- richard


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From: bruceg@nmitd.sr.hp.com (Bruce Galbraith)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:57:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket fine reduction
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: ca.driving

In ca.driving, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:

    Has anybody ever contested a speeding ticket to plea for a lower fine.
    I recently was cited for speeding, but there's no way that I would be
    able to fight the ticket and win.  However, I was wondering what the
    prospects would be for contesting it, hoping that the officer woulnd't
    show, but that if he did, plead with the judge for a lower fine.
    I was cited for 68 in a 55, but the road was totally straight, no traffic
    anywhere near me, sunny day, etc.  Therefore, I would plead that because
    of the situation, I shouldn't be fined too heavily.  Does anybody agree?
    Has anybody ever tried this.  I know that if I do fight it for the sole
    purpose of hoping that the officer won't show that the judge may, if he
    wants, raise the fine.  So, I would like to here ant comments, etc.

    --
    "I drank what?" -- Socrates

    judson@watserv.ucr.edu
    ==========================================
    I have contested a speeding ticket when it was raidar,  I was about 17
    and not to smart.  I did luck out and the cop did not show.  The judge 
    made me wait to the last.  You should go check out a good book on         
    fighting you case.  I think before they can use raidar there must be 
    some kind of study on the area it's used.  This would be to check to
    see if it will work properly in that area.  As you know the judge and or
    cop will tell you..........
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: johna@netcom.com (John Allen)
Subject: Open Container???
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:48:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: BEER

Got a ticket the other day in Capitola for an open container (can of
Rainer Ale from a stop at the beach).  Anyone had an experience with
one of these recently??.  How much is the fine?? What does it do to
your insurance?? Can you go to Traffic School??

Thanks
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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: support@well.sf.ca.us (WELL Support Staff)
Subject: Cracker spoofing USENET posting to look like they came from the WELL
Keywords: cracker, security, immature behavior
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:18:20 GMT

Hi folks, this is Matisse Enzer at the WELL (Whole Earth Lectronic
Link)  About a week ago one of our users' accounts was cracked and a
couple of racist postings made using that account - (hugoglez)  We
locked the account and spoke with the actual owner of the account, and
then returned it to active status (with a new password).  

Recently a new posting showed up in this newsgroup (ca.driving) that
appeared to come from the (hugoglez) account on the WELL.

There have been no logins on the (hugoglez) account since Sept. 8

I believe that the recent posting (about using "pepper gas" on police
officers to avaid speeding tickets) was posted by faking the name and
site or origin.

Here's the header from the spoofed posting:

> From: hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us (Hugo Gonzalez)
> Newsgroups: ca.driving
> Subject: GUARANTEED method to avoid traffic tickets.
> Message-ID: <Woopsm.01x@well.sf.ca.us>
> Date: 12 Sep 92 19:35:36 GMT
> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us
> Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
> Lines: 28

We at the WELL want you all to know that we are concerned about this
and would love to have a talk with the person or persons who are doing
this - it is so hurtful to the Net community.  Again, we are confident
that Mr. Gonzalez DID NOT post this, and that in fact, he has not even
logged into the WELL in months (the recent logins were by the cracker)

If anyone notices other postings by (hugoglez@well.sf.ca.us) please
let me know by e-mail or telephone.  The real Mr. Gonzalez does not
use USENET.

We can be reached by telephone 9-5 M-F Pacific Time (or leave a
message at other times) at:

	415-332-4335

	Sincerely,

		Matisse Enzer
		WELL Customer Support Manager
From: pnelson@cobra.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Accidents and insurance (was Re: tickets and insurance)
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:15:50 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <23020012@hplred.HP.COM> ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans) writes:
>>>My premium, which was $275.64 / 6 months, is now $548.65 / 6 months.
>
>Did State Farm give you a reason for the jump? In similar situations in the
>past, I've found that State Farm will remove one of the discounts and add a
>slight ($25) surcharge, but this was before insurance reforms recently. IMHO
>I think policy holders should be allowed to have occasional fender benders
>without increasing their premiums. What's insurance for?


Yes, they did give a reason, after I called my agent. The claim for medical
expenses makes it an injury accident - 2 points instead of 1 point (under
the new system put in place by 103, I presume). So I lose my "California
good driver" discount, in addition to paying an accident surcharge.

My agent mentioned that this would remain on my record for 3 years. If I
assume that, under the new law,  State Farm must restore my old rates at
the end of 3 years, and that the "good driver" discount is lower than State
Farm's actuarial tables warrant, then the jump makes some sense.


-- 
Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.Tymnet.COM . San Jose, CA, USA . 408-922-7508

  "Every improvement in communication makes the bore more terrible."
							-Frank Moore Colby
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: CAlifornia STATE Police
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:50:31 GMT

to all concern:
I just wrote a letter to the California State Police, (attn Public
information office) asking them what is the diffence between them (CSP) and
CHP and I also I ask if their officer could cite someone as well
(I just mailed it today (Sept 5) will advise when I get a respone
From: raman@venus.its.uci.edu (Balaji Ramanathan)
Subject: Re: Metric signs
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:08:58 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <5cKD02jR21EU01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> mtb30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com () writes:
>I saw in the newspaper today that the Feds plan to convert road
>signs to metric by 1996.  Did anyone else know about this, or is
>it just me and the Virginians who don't know?  I thought the
>"great metric plan" had been scrapped years ago--I've only seen 3
>metric signs.
>
>mark

I think your information is correct.  I read something to the same effect in the
Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) Journal.  There was also a column
in the LA Times about the "wastage of tax dollars" on the project.

Balaji Ramanathan
From: mtb30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Metric signs
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:01:45 GMT
Reply-To: mtb30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Followup-To: ca.driving
Distribution: ca
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I saw in the newspaper today that the Feds plan to convert road
signs to metric by 1996.  Did anyone else know about this, or is
it just me and the Virginians who don't know?  I thought the
"great metric plan" had been scrapped years ago--I've only seen 3
metric signs.

mark
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: techie@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Bob Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Those expired registrations
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:51:31 GMT

In article <92254.41815.Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com> Mr_b writes:
>
>Does anything every happen to those cars/drivers that I see driving
>around with expired tags on their CA license plates?

I am presently driving without plates, and with an expired temporary sticker.
Here's the scenario:
1. On June 18, I decided that I wanted Amateur Radio Plates on my car.
	so I went to the Mountain View DMV office and proceeded to file the 
	appropriate paperwork, and turned in my old plates. I was told that
	it would take 6-8 weeks from this date for me to recieve my new
	plates. I recieved a temporary sticker, valid until the end of
	August (aprox 10 weeks).
2. In mid-July, I recieved my new registration, and tabs, but no plates.
	The registration was issued on July 20.
3. On August 21, I called the Mountain View DMV office to check on the status 
	of my plates (which I had still not recieved). I was told that the
	plates would take 6-8 weeks ->from the time the registration was
	processed in Sacramento (mid July)<- I mentioned that my temporary
	sticker would expire in 10 days, and was told "come in and get a new
	one", i told them that that was hard to fit into my schedule, and 
	asked if they could send me a new one. They said "yes, we'll get 
	one right out to you." 
4. It's now September 10, My sticker has been expired for 10 days. It's
	been 12 weeks since I filed the paperwork, 7 since my registration
	was issued, and 3 weeks since the DMV said that they would renew 
	my temporary registration. I still do not have the new plates.
	All I have is a registration form, that says my car is currently
	registered, But to the casual observ'm in violation.

What do you say? My next call is going to be to the DMV, but i'm getting
tired of this..


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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: 6648470@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Those expired registrations
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:12:46 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

>Does anything every happen to those cars/drivers that I see driving
>around with expired tags on their CA license plates?
Unless the car is stopped by a officer of the law, they are unnoticed
and unpunished.  The DMV had (maybe still has) a phone number to turn
in out-of-staters who didn't register their cars, but I don't know
if it still exists, or if they would take a report about expired
registration.