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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:11:28 EST
From:         PRESTON@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      The Madonna confession revisited: vindication!

>>          I mean, I wouldn't have a Madonna tape or CD in my home,
>>but if she's done one good song, it might be kind of nice to have
>>it on a tape.

>madonna's one good song is "live to tell," which was fortunately released
>as a single. i scared the hell out of my local vinyl emporium's proprieter
>when i walked up to the counter with that one day.

  Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!  woj shoots, woj scores!

  Remind me to buy you a beer next time I run into you in Spain.  ;)

  Oh, and... welcome back, dammit.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

  (again, imagine the Atavachron plug here)
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Marsha tries Bloom's method - mondopost!

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:07:17 EST Ilia said:
>being exposed to a new genre does not suffice for being able to enjoy
>it. Whenever you hear new music which does not fulfill your sonic
>expectations (hello, Bloomdido!), you have to go through a certain
>period of getting used to it. And often you have to make an effort of
>'digging' into that stuff, trying to find what's going on there. People

IMHO music should "reach out and touch you" you shouldn't have to get used
to it, if i listened to Rap or what-have-you i would eventually get used to
it (maybe). Listening to music be enjoyable not a task that requires effort
to enjoy it. If you listen to music that you have to get used to you may
ought to try a different type...Something that reaches out and grabs you

P.S. Thanks to all of you who voted me "most cutest" poster

Who in the world was Ruxpin, he must have been b4 my time, i think he stole
some awards that i would have otherwise won.........L.W.
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Impulse Engines, Free Country, Gettin' Late
              7 Jan 1993 12:49:37 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEIN G.COM>

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:49:37 CST crispen said:
>Ken Koester <MAINT2%ERS.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> asks:
>
>>I'd almost get it to get another "John Barleycorn" but a review
>>from an afficionado would be most welcome.
>
>I liked _Low Spark_ much better, and if you haven't got it, get it!
>I have _John Barleycorn Must Die_ but only thought it was ordinary.
>On the other hand, I haven't listened to it for 10 years, so if
>it hasn't disappeared, I'll give it another chance.  Or is this
>another famous Rev. Bob Brain Fart?
>
Well, since you ask. . . (-:  When I put a title in parens, I mean a song
(short story, poem, etc., title); when I put it in "="s, I mean an album
(novel, etc.).  So, I was interested in another cover of the *song* "J B",
not something resembling the entire album.  As I said elsewhere, I know of
4 different covers of this, 3 mutually exclusive; I think I'll start a
collection. . . .
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Newbie slack (Ken)

>On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:39:11 -0500 <HLC2@PSUADMIN> said:
>>I'm the youngest of six. Lay it on me. ;-)
>>
>>Heather
>
>You *dare* to tell me this, after my review of =The Art of the Bawdy Song=?
>Carol--Sonia--Marsha--*someone* hold me back, please; I'm outa control this
>afternoon (-:


Oh, c'mon Ken - Let me refresh your memory...

1. I'm the idiot who brought up the one-hit wonder thing in the first
place...
2. I'm the horny wench who proposed marriage to every male on this
list....at the same time....
3. I'm the pervert who likes to read your stuff....
4. I'm a redhead....you know what they say....

You expect ME to control your urges??????????
Oh, I bet you'll have lots of help from Carol too.....

Marsha


Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:06:57 -0500
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Subject:      Gales mystery

Eric Gales *is* young -- or at least he was when the critics first sniffed him
out. On the debut album Paul talked about, Eric Gales is the one wearing the
SRV-style hat. I'm trying to picture the order of the other band members in
the photo, but Gales' brother plays (played?) with him and I think that's the
guy Paul mentions at Eric's right.

I doubt that this Gales is the same one from the 1970s ... unless we've got a
Neal-Schon-at-13-in-Santana type thing going here.

Whatever the story is, Gales is *good*.

Heather
[new to the list, but thought it would be safe to come out and play anyway]
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:26:13 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: distinctively speaking

Ken Kontinuez:
>Distinctions are everywhere, but what was really grabbing me was a distinction
>with a difference:  a uniqueness such that the correct association pops out by
>reflex.  If someone can do that with rap, hey, more power to 'em.

in which case, the answer is even more dependant on the listener. it's
his or her brain doing the associating after all.

less flippantly, i see what you mean, but i really don't know if there is
an explanation beyond a strong neural association which makes the memory
retrieval so instantaneous that you shiver.

btw, the knack was the group that recorded "my sharona." the short bursts
of guitarwork that make up the majority of the song are what makes that
one to easy to recognize quickly. i could probably identify it if i heard
just one of them.

>I don't know that I would call it a "burden" on the listener.

bad word choice. i probably should have said that part, if not most, of
the reason for instant recognition lies with the listener.

>What's *really* freaky is to listen *once*--and get the reflex.

subatomic particles called "hearons?"

woj
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:09:53 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      One-hit wonders

Wow! I'll play!

How about:

Dexy's Midnight Runners: "Come On Eileen"
Men Without Hats: "Safety Dance"
Baltimora: "Tarzan Boy"
Saga: "On the Loose"
Kajagoogoo: "Too Shy"
The Men: "Church of Logic, Sin, and Love"  [a prediction]

Heather
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:27:00 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 1992 Allmusic Awards Nominations

M^3 says:
>Sorry, can't narrow it down enough.
>Hmmm...  Define "funky".  (sounds like another query for the net)
>No names....
>I feel bad in naming anyone for this category
>I don't know.
>There's too many to name names.
>Too numerous to count.

  Oh!  What Cop Outs!

  SHAME on you, Mike!  And after so many people
nominated you for awards, too.  Sure, it's tough,
you don't want to leave anyone out, offend anyone,
etc...  BUT:

  We showed you Ours, now You show us Yours!

  Fill in those blanks and resubmit for approval.

                        -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:56:00 N
From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      hi to everybody from Marco (no OMC)

Hi there!
        Did you believe you'd get rid of me easily? Nah, I'm here in the
snowy desert of Salt Lake City, Utah, and since a friend let me sneak in-
to the comp. lab I thought I'd say hello!
        Lookig forward to meeting some of you pretty soon now...

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:16:16 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: MTV

arachna-pasta sed:

>with regards to the reverand's comments that a theme video destroys the
>possibility of alternative interpretations, i concede that that can and
>has happened. visual memory tends to be more vivid than aural memory.
>but i'd rather at least have an idea of what the artist thinks the song
>is about than five minutes of stage show. and regardless of what the
>artist's intent of the song is, i can always interpret it as i will.
>
>also, i think that a well-done video will be ambiguous enough that a
>listener's interpretation is still possible.
>
>woj

What makes Peter Gabriel's videos so much fun is that the videos themselves
require their own interpretation and they are so imaginative that it really
lets you go hog wild. oink...oink

I ask, again, what do y'all think of his video for "Steam"??

My fave Gabriel tune:  Hum Drum.

And I was gonna mention Blue Man Group's ABS pipe marimbas as strange
instrument too, but you beat me to it...  :)   A runner up for me would be
Robin Anders from 3 M 3 and BiL playing a minnow bucket while Greg Brown sang
"Fishing With Bill" at the Winnipeg Folk Festival.  He got some rather lovely
sounds out of that silly pail.  I was charmed...

I'm in the middle of an office move, so that's it for now.... more to cum.

- Carol
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: 1992 Allmusic Awards Nominations
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:24:13 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%93010318025630@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET (jc-s) writes:
>>Does renaming it to Allmusic Dominatrix count?  If so, nerves of
>>steel.
>>
>What do you mean by this, exactly?

What?  Did you think I was talking about you? 
How could that happen?

But I couldn't help but noticing some of the battles you had with the
metal heads ;)

Jeff
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:41:10 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: so far, even better

    Sorry, I gotta waste net sapce with this but, I couldn't send it
directly.

Gary,
    I can't offer anything to the tape.  I have lost the recording
capabilities of my stereo and cannot afford to have it fixed just
yet.  I am however very interested in the tape and will be one of the
hopefully many to purchase the tape.  Please let me know when and
where to send my money.  Thanks.
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:35:46 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Marsha tries Bloom's method - mondopost!

>IMHO music should "reach out and touch you" you shouldn't have to get used
>to it, if i listened to Rap or what-have-you i would eventually get used to
>it (maybe). Listening to music be enjoyable not a task that requires effort
>to enjoy it. If you listen to music that you have to get used to you may
>ought to try a different type...Something that reaches out and grabs you

Ahh, Len, get ready for some heat.  That's a pretty boring approach to music,
and life in general.  Not exactly a "seeker" are you?  Personally, I look
to music (and art) for more than just comfort......

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:29:08 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Cadence and cascade

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:05:28 EST Michael H. Bloom said:
>
>They used to have a segment of "closet classics," where they would show some
>of that stuff-- a few classic jazz movies, some '60s and '70s footage from
>European TV shows and whatnot. I remember a live-in-the-studio King Crimson
>performance, with Jamie Muir, of "Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part 1" that was
>breathtaking. I gather this threatened the attention span of their viewers,
>because they've long since dropped the feature.

I caught a few of these - just enough to give me the impression that there
was a lot more of this stuff out there than I'd have thought. I don't see how
it threatens the attention span of viewers though - maybe their ignorance
though. I certainly enjoyed seeing Keith Moon play drums after hearing so many
references to his strange playing style :-)

>As for MTV making bands, they wish. Sure, they have some clout-- and the
>majors, when they go out to sign new artists, are certainly cognizant of
>how they're gonna look on video-- but the band MTV claims they "broke" is
>Nirvana, and they had carte blanche from Polygram (plus a striking video
>of a memorable tune to work with).

When I think of 'MTV making bands', the one that comes to mind is Living
Color. 'Cult of Personality' got quite a bit of play before LC caught on. I
don't know if that would necessarily qualify anyway, for the reason you state
above (i.e., MTV didn't exactly give them money to make a striking video),
but heavy rotation certainly helps. And to be honest, I have to give at least
a little credit to MTV for not trying to stereotype or categorize them - as
a 'black' band that doesn't play 'black' music or a 'metal' band that didn't
'look' metal, it would have been easy to fall between the cracks, as happens
to many musicians who make music that doesn't fit the preconceived formulae.
They've got a new one on the way, BTW.

>> BTW, the standard slogan for fans is "Primus SUCKS!".
>With a slogan like that, how do you tell who your real fans are? :-)

Easy. Everybody :-)

Paul
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:51:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

Thanks to all of you who replied to my query...it is very much appreciated!
I don't have any test scheduled at this point, but one government contractor
I've interviewed with will definately test me if they decide to hire this
person.
  As for some suggestions that I just say no for awhile, well, I have been.
(Nancy would be proud!) But it was New Years after all, and it just seemed
like the right thing to do. :)

Regards,
  -- Gary
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:05:46 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Brian May

I find it pretty strange (representative of today's music scene) that
Brian May is opening-up for GnR I would think that if May hand to open
up for someone it would be someone with a different type music and different
crowd.

Picked up Rickie Lee Jones 1st album on CD, i forgot how good it was, it's
suprising that with all her talent and the quality of material on the first
album that she never even came close on the albums that followed..IMHO

Also picked up Memphis Slim & Matt Murphy Live at Atones Matt can sure-nuff
play..Jerry Mcain Love Desperado also...Mcain is very under-rated as a blues
performer IMHO...........................L.W.
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From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      1992 Allmusic Awards Nominations

Ok, here I go.
I hope I don't make more enemies... ;)

>1. Rising star or revelation of the year.

Sonia and Marsha.

>2. Wittiest poster.  (Rolling on the Floor Laughing Prize)

Sorry, can't narrow it down enough.

>3. Most consistent initiator & promoter of dialogue. (Threadmaker Award)

How about Renato for THIS one?  Thanks all for nominating me, just doing my
part in making this discussion list the funnest and funniest list.

>4. Funkiest poster.

Hmmm...  Define "funky".  (sounds like another query for the net)

>5. Nastiest poster (Painful Plague Prize)

No names, but those who just go on and on and on about something
really nitpicky and impertinent to this list.

>6. Friendliest and kindest Allmusicker.

My good friend, Marco.

>7. Clueless poster award. (Frippie Prize)

The purpose of this list was and is to promote good natured conversations
and discussions of all forms of music.  I feel bad in naming anyone
for this category, because we were all clueless newbies at some time.

>8. Grossest musical mistake in a post.  (Ignoramus Prize, aka Renato Barahona
>Award for misattribution of _Ionisation_)

I don't know.

>9. Most original review of a tape, album or CD.

Sonia.

>10. Sexiest poster.  (Libby Doe Prize)

Me.  (insert "ah HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA......" here
      provided by the allmusic choir.  Me, the most sexually deprived
      male on the net.)  Seriously, Carol (aka Thumper, Libby Doe) wins
      single-handedly.

>11. Most playful poster.

Carol

>12. Best Allmusic flamer.

There's too many to name names.

>13. Most astonishing confession or personal revelation.

To me, it was astonishing to find out that Marco lives in Italy,
and ROTCOD ZZAJ is in Hong Kong.  Email is so cool.

>14. Strangest Allmusic post.

The ones with like a zillion >>>>>'s on them, so ya don't know
who started the thing, who's speaking now, and who's referring to
who's post.

>15. Classiest Allmusicker.

Mr. Olivotto.

>16. Most dazzling all-around poster.

Too numerous to count.  It's hard to keep track when ya get like 100
chunks of mail from the net every morning.  Marco and Bloom.

>17. Keeper of the Allmusic flame award.  (To the person who epitomizes
>the spirit & ideals -- whatever they might be -- of the list.  This is the
>highest honor that can be accorded an Allmusicker.)

I'm no help on this one either...  You're all pretty sharp in your
wealth of knowledge.  Marco, David M and Bloom come to mind, but there are so
many others.

1993 looks promising, cool beans!  More bizarre threads to come...  ;)

(In homage to the Ohm-meister,)

Ciao,
Michio
(that's my middle name, folks.  Sounds Italian, don't it?)

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:03:09 EST
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hang The World: Musician flirts with the flame game

GoddDAM! I KNEW there was something I hated about lists! Actually, Jeff,
isn't your whole story, very much including the list itself, a reductio
ad absurdum of the whole idiotic hierarchical culture of great men, halls
of fame, guided listening, appreciation, aesthetics, and.. what have I
left out? That whole cultural approach:
a. transcends musical genres; tho' based in opera/symphony, every bag has
it's version
b. transcends classes (implicitly, see #a.)
c. Wastes the time & energy, and distracts the listening capacities of
people in all situations.
Isn't it time we gave "The Five Greatest," "The Greatest Genius," "The Desert
Island Collection," and all their cousins a HUGE fucking rest? Can anyone
name ONE single POSITIVE accomplishment of this weenie-wagging foolishness?
(Ah-HUH! I thought not..)
Michael
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:11:40 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:00:38 EST spideroni said:
>Leonard Watkins sez:
>>I would think that if i didn't want you to take my picture i should have the
>>right to not allow my picture to be taken (i'm copyrighted).
>
>are you?

Aren't you..? Jeez you better check you could be dup'd and you'd be all over
the place..I bet they've done it already...They're sneaky you know..:-)

>newspapers need permission to print the picture of someone, but i believe
>that is because the picture is to be printed at a profit to the newspaper.
>if you take photos for private use only, there should not be a conflict
>with the interests of the photographed (other than embarrasment and so
>forth, which would only be a factor in court if the pictures were not kept
>to a private use only.

I really don't know if someone can take a photo of you without your permission
I'm curious now though..............L.W.
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From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Musical exposure/open mind - BobTee's tapes...
              4 Jan 1993 15:25:46 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:25:46 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>knowledgeable, and I'd like to be introduced to types of music I don't
>think of myself as enjoying by people I trust.

Y'know, I used to listen to lots of metal (early Scorpions, Judas Priest,
Iron Maiden, Riot, some other things), but got out of it when Quiet Riot
became The Big Thing. (Good god they were *awful*. I think they managed to
somehow both kill and resuscitate metal.) Every now and then I check out
Headbanger's Ball on eMpTV (not in a little while though), and I see stuff
I like now and then. I'll just toss out a handful of names that have caught
my ear (shades of LW - something just grabbed me :-), and I haven't bought
any of their stuff so can't make an authoritative recommendation, but...

Fates Warning, King's X (Ok, actually I like these guys quite a bit and did
buy 1 CD, which is good), King of the Hill (they might suck, but I saw a video
with a lot of funky horns and elements you don't often see in metal), and...
Cinderalla! I have to admit, if Cinderalla put out a greatest hits CD, I'd
probably snag it. I just like their sound - Tom Keifer has a good raspy voice,
and they have a little bit of a bluesy sound. Also like the little I've heard
from Faith No More, Living Color, and Alice in Chains (who sound kinda like
like King's X to my non-expert ears).

For what it's worth...

Paul
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hang The World: Musician flirts with the f

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:31:52 EST jc-s said:
>This week i get to pick the cd, and i'm just not sure what i want
>yet.  I toyed with the idea of fleshing out my classical shelf,
>but i think my pop shelf still needs work, or perhaps my ethnic
>section. any suggestions?

Does blues fit into the "ethnic" genre..? This morning i listened to Freddie
King Sings (excellent), Chet Atkins - Stay Tuned (Lukather(sp), Klugh, Benson
Knopler, Dean Parks, David Hungate, Jeff Pocaro(sp), Boots Randolph...etc)
with all those and others it lives up to the talent, John Hiatt - Bring The
Family (a must have)..............L.W.
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Lou Reed
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:43:00 GMT


Is anyone aware of a mailing list dedicated to Lou Reed/VU?

Thanks-in-advance.


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