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From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: eqalign help
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:03:04 GMT
Reply-To: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hello -


I am a raw beginner with TEX - I was hoping some kind soul might be
able to give me some insight into a problem I'm having with \eqalign -
is there a handy way of by-passing the need for all of the equation to
be on one line in the input file and ending with a \cr ? The equations
to be done are so large that they are exceeding the standard page width
on my editor. Thanking you in advance for any help or insight offered.

I am using OzTeX on Macintosh.


Thanks!


				Bob Kurhajetz
				US Navy CD NSWC
				Bethesda, MD 20084
				e-mail kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: martin@ics.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Martin Buss)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Slow startup of TeX3.14t3 ???
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:11:07 GMT
Distribution: comp.text.tex
Organization: F. Harashima & H. Hashimoto Lab. Institute of Industrial Science,
	University of Tokyo, Japan.


Hi folks!

I am sorry to bother everybody with this, but I was wondering,
if we are the only lab who encounters the following problem 
with TeX or LaTeX:

Recently we upgraded to TeX3.14t3 and are very happy with it.
The only thing we find strange is, that it takes about 2-3 seconds
on a SUN SS-2 to startup TeX or LaTeX. Why is this? Is there any
workaround to this? Of course we are using dumped fmt-files and
so on, but even initex alone takes about the same time to start
up. To make this perfectly clear:

% initex
This is TeX, C Version 3.14t3 (INITEX)
*

After hitting return it takes 2-3 second before the Initial message
of INITEX is diplayed.

I appreciate your help and comments on this.

Thanks.

--
Martin Buss
Hashimoto laboratory, Institute of Industrial Science, University of Tokyo
Tel. (03) 3402-6231 Ext 2360  Fax. (03) 3423-1484
e-mail: martin@sos.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
From: Timothy Murphy <tim@maths.tcd.ie>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: \mathbf
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:28:42 BST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

It seems a pity that there is no \mathbf command, like \mathrm.
I'd say mathematicians would use the former
more often than the latter, eg

\[
G = (\mathbf O)(8).
\]

(I know one could use \mbox{\bf ...}.)

Timothy Murphy

e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366 (home/office)
     +353-1-7021507 (university)
fax: +353-1-2842295
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: mjh@minkowski.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins)
Subject: Auc-TeX question
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:47:57 GMT

I have just downloaded Auc-TeX and have what is probably
a stupid question.

How do you make the tex process invoked by Auc-TeX use
your TEXINPUTS etc.. environment variables?

Thanks in advance










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Mike Hopkins
mjh@math.mit.edu
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From: bz302@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vince Pirat)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: How do I use accents in Latex within a tabbing environment ?
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:30:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


              Hi,

I want to use accents in a tabbing environment within Latex.
For instance, I want to produce something like:

\documentstyle [a4,11pt] {report}

\pagestyle{empty}
\begin {document}

\begin {tabbing}
DUMMYTABLINE \=        \kill
Name            \> Aim\'{e}e

The line above doesn't give the right result and Latex 
considers \' as a tabulation.
I tried also few variations like Ami{\'{e}}e. No better.
However a command like \bf to change the font style 
works fine. E.g.

Name            \> {\bf Aimee}

Does anyone have any idea on the above problem ??

			Thanks,
				Vince.

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From: thorsten@ananas.toppoint.de (Thorsten Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: TeX-Zeichensaetze
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 18:03:13 +0100
Distribution: world               
Organization: private UUCP site, Kiel, Germany

Wer kann mir sagen, wo ich mathematische und andere (z.B. Helvetica)
Zeichensaetze fr TeX finde?


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Thorsten Hoffmann
2300 Kiel, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dorab@twinsun.com (Dorab Patel)
Subject: Re: Translating from refer to bibtex
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:39:49 GMT

see refer-to-bibtex.el by Henry Kautz.  this is an elisp program
that works with gnu emacs to do the conversion.  this is the best i
found when i needed such a converter.  there is also refer2tex by
David Kotz which is a C and sed program.  if you can't locate these
packages (try archie) let me know and i can mail them to you.

'dorab
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: stephens@galvia.enet.dec.com (Patrick Stephens)
Subject: Re: ODA info?
Reply-To: stephens@galvia.enet.dec.com (Patrick Stephens)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Galway, Ireland
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:54:28 GMT

Wolfgang Appel, "Document Architecture in Open Systems - The ODA Standard", Springer-Verlag, 1991

You can order the ODA standard through EOLAS in Dublin. To the best of my knowledge it is not available online. ISO charge money; the ECMA version (ECMA standard 101) is free I think (but you might have to pay some nominal charge to EOLAS, perhaps). 

regards
Patrick Stephens
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: EQN and DELL UNIX
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:30:13 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <b&#@byu.edu> kelly@baloo.ee.byu.edu (J. Kelly Flanagan) writes:
>	The eqn program does not result in proper spacing on
>	expressions such as a over b.  Also subscripts are not spaced
>	properly.

>	We do the following
>		tbl file | eqn | troff -Tpost | dpost > out.ps
>
>	Has anyone had similar problems?  Is there a fix?

I don't have personal exposure to DELL's DWB, but most DWB eqns
support -T options so that eqn can adjust its placement heuristics
for the output device.  Try:

	tbl file | eqn -Tpost | troff -Tpost | dpost > out.ps

[Though, even CAT troff eqn doesn't screw up "a over b", and *that*
eqn doesn't know about width tables.  Not using a macro package may
have something to do with it too.]
-- 
Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Rotating troff 90 degrees?
Summary: Is there any way to do this?
Keywords: troff rotation 
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:12:20 GMT

I'm in need of being able to rotate a table and graph 90 degrees.
Is there any way to do this in troff?

Alternatively, can someone tell me about the kinds of graphing programs
I could use on TeX?  I hear there's a style sheet that rotates 90
degrees.  (Confirmation of this would be appreciated.)

Thanks.

ACS
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Newsgroups: comp.text
From: Ulf Sundin <ulf@gbg.infolog.se>
Subject: Translating refer databases to bibtex format
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6ECFC10E106831D@ulf.sundin.gbg.infolog.se>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:14:40 GMT
Organization: Infologics AB
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:08:40 GMT

I'm moving from troff/refer to TeX,
and I need to translate my refer-database to
bibtex format.

I guess that somebody already has done this,
and I would very much appreciate source code and/or
hints concerning how to solve the problem. 

/Ulf S

---------------------------------------------------------------
Ulf Sundin
Infologics AB
Ulf.Sundin@infolog.se
From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: \H escape in ditroff
Keywords: character height in ditroff
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:56:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <23725@alice.att.com>, jaap@alice.att.com writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.012601.16315@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> bobm@agsm writes:
>  >                     ...  I've been unable to do the opposite (ie to squash
>  > characters) by using \H'-n'.  Gehani is

[characteristically]

>  >                                         vague on this possibility ...
> 
> If, and how well, the \H'...'  command works is dependent on the
> postprocessor/typesetter.  ...

True.  There's no rule against getting extended characters by reducing the
height.  I do it all the time, using DWB 3.0 and a PostScript driver.  But
there are two possibilities for you:

1. Your driver doesn't support squashes.

2. Your troff doesn't support decrements.

Number 2 is unlikely, but it's worth trying.  Use \H'9' instead of
\H'-1' and see what happens.

The \H directive can be erratic.  With the PostScript driver that I use,
the altered height affects only the current combination of face and size,
and affects it until you set a new height for the combination.

-:-
	The first idea is the hardest to have.
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
From: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Rotating Text?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University

Is it possible to turn a word (or group of words) sideways?

I want to have the majority of the words going horizontally, but have a
bold title going vertically up the "edge" of the paragraph.

Mark
mrr1@ra.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: rjohns@brtph46.BNR.CA (Richard Johns P205)
Subject: History Rewritten
Reply-To: rjohns@brtph46.BNR.CA (Richard Johns P205)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 14:26:43 GMT

I just received a flyer from Database Publishing Software, Inc. introducing a
"document revision tool".  It proudly claims that if Benjamin Franklin had used
their product while creating the Declaration of Independence, he'd never have
needed to pick up a pen, except for his signature.

Gosh, I thought he didn't need to anyway -- Thomas Jefferson wrote it!

Cheers,
 Rick Johns
 BNR
 (919)991-7191

Disclaimer: I said it, BNR didn't.
From: ram@cs.umb.edu (Robert Morris)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: HQ.ileaf.com -> they read and respond... Thanks...
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:50:14 GMT
Reply-To: ram@cs.umb.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Oct1.080447.1@mdcbbs.com> ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com) writes:

   From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
   Date: 1 Oct 92 08:04:47 GMT

   In the last day or so there have been two responses from Interleaf on 
   non-technical issues. It was a pleasure to see Interleaf responding to net 
   traffic. It would also be nice if the official policy at Interleaf was to 
   respond to technical questions in this forum as well.

   jmi
   ivler@mdcbbs.com

I've seen very few technical questions that haven't been well answered
by Interleaf users, many of whom actually read the documentation.

There are probably two orders of magnitude more reasonably qualified
Interleaf _users_ than there are Interleaf employees. Also, the cost
of software technical support is either billed to its consumer, or
bundled into the price of the product; so giving it away will
ultimately have the effect of raising the prices for everyone. In
particular, Interleaf gives its software for media costs to North
American universities. I guess these sites rarely buy software support
for it nor provide it internally. So there are potentially hundreds of
thousands of students out there with only the online doc set.  Reading
any newsgroup shows that these (and other internet users) routinely
"ask the net" as a substitute for thinking and reading.

From reports posted here, I have the impression that people do get
technical replies from Interleaf employees by private email when the
question seems to be not of general interest and not adequately dealt
with by other means.

"Unofficially" reading the corresponding newsgroup is apparently what
Frame does. I don't know their participation since I don't read
comp.text.frame regularly, but the last 250 messages on that newsgroup
appear to be all technical and appear to have no replies from Frame
posted. I guess this is largely true for all major software vendors,
and it seems to work.

Bob Morris
Dept. of Math and C.S.
UMASS-Boston
ram@cs.umb.edu

(Dis)Claimer: I am a former Interleaf employee, an occasional
consultant to the company, and some of my academic research, including
a project jointly with an Interleaf employee, has direct and indirect
support from the company. Generally, I'm a big public fan and
occasionally a severe private critic of Interleaf.
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: se_haux@rcvie.co.at (Michael Haux)
Subject: index creation
Reply-To: se_haux@rcvie.co.at
Organization: Alcatel ELIN Research
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:47:15 GMT


I have a book containing several chapters. 
For the book there exists a list of terms. 
These terms should also occur in an index for the book.


How could I do this without too much effort?; some already considered solutions are:

- Searching for each term in each chapter, for each occurence creating an index marker;
rather time-consuming...

- Joining all chapters, searching for each term, ..., and then splitting. Would be ok, but how? - I cannot change the document before splitting it (unless I split manually, which would be too time-consuming).

- Searching across chapter boundaries in the book. Impossible!?


Perhaps someone has a nice program to share; scanning a list of terms and creating the corresponding index markers in the chapters of a book...?

Thanks for any suggestions,
Michael

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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: History Rewritten
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:24:13 GMT

rjohns@brtph46.BNR.CA (Richard Johns P205) publicly declared:
>I just received a flyer from Database Publishing Software, Inc. introducing a
>"document revision tool".  It proudly claims that if Benjamin Franklin had used
>their product while creating the Declaration of Independence, he'd never have
>needed to pick up a pen, except for his signature.
>
>Gosh, I thought he didn't need to anyway -- Thomas Jefferson wrote it!

I think you mis-read the flyer.  This is actually the announcment for
Database Publishing's new "History Revision Tool".  Don't like
something about the past?  Use their tool!  Just look at what it's aready
done for poor sods like Christopher Columbus...

A promised future version will have an option to automatically include
strikethroughs and revision bars in history texts, making it easier to
find what has been changed.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------
                                                       |      Steven King
           Carpe Diem:  "Fish for ten cents"           |   Motorola Cellular
                                                       |   king@rtsg.mot.com
From: antonson@software.org (Todd S. Antonson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Backspace key in Interleaf 4.0 on a SUN4.
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:19:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: software.1992Sep30.181923.22232
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia

HW: Sun IPC Workstation
SW: SunOS 4.1.1
    Interleaf 4.0 (TPS4.0)

Interleaf on the Sun treats the backspace key as a qualifier
key like Esc, Control, or Meta.  It defines the delete key as
the character delete key.  I normally use the backspace key
for the purpose and the delete key for deleting lines.  Is
there anyway relative to Interleaf to redefine the use of
these keys?  (e.g., cause Interleaf to recognize Alt or Meta
as the `backspace' control key)

Thanks for any help.

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Software Productivity Consortium    |UUCP : ..!uunet!software!antonson
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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Newsgroups by E-mail??
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:18:06 GMT

In article <SHOE.92Sep28100254@world.std.com> shoe@world.std.com (Jack N Shoemaker) writes:
>We have e-mail access to the internet, but NO newsreader at present.  Is it possible to *subscribe* to this list through e-mail.  Please respond to the


       I have the same question. Could someone e-mail me or post here?
    Thank you in advance.


Charlie

cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
From: wendy@brl.mil (Wendy Winner (BVLD/VMB) <wendy>)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: ... Re: Complaint about Interleaf Germany's Support Policies
Keywords: Maintenance
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:01:30 GMT
Reply-To: wendy@brl.mil
Followup-To: comp.text.interleaf
Distribution: comp.text.interleaf
Organization: US Army Research Laboratory,Surv/Leth Analysis Directorate


	I apologize that this posting is not particularly timely but I
think the suggestion is still worth making.

> >     (d) sells "Software Maintenance Contracts" at a hefty price
> >             but does nothing to fix bugs (does not even acknowledge them)
> >             nor notifies us as Maintenance customers of new releases
> >             or the availability of patch tapes
>
> Again, no problems here in the U.S.

        I would disagree with no problems in the US. I have frequently
found out through this newsgroup about patch tapes and releases. Our
site pays for software maintenance. I have also found Interleaf Direct
to be a valuable source of such information (w/o playing the phone tag).

        I do not receive upgrades or patch products without specifically
asking for them. This is unfortunate. Our office was also recently told
that unless we report a bug that is fixed on the patch tape we do not
get the tape unless we specifically ask.  This policy stmt requires
follow-up up the chain.

        Letters announcing upgrades & which indicate I must complete
and fill out a form usually fail to reach my office. I realize that
the government procurement process can creates a paper trail that can
make this a difficult process.

        My personal opinion is that everyone on maintenance should receive
patch tapes, and the upgrade software tapes & associated documentation
without having to specifically ask for them. This is how my other
software maintenance agreements with other vendors are handled. Note
that under this scheme, the password request process initiated by the user
confirms that one wants to use the revised software.

Best,
Wendy
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: tim@appenzell.cs.wisc.edu (Tim Theisen)
Subject: Re: Passwords by FAX suck! [was: Re: Complaint about Interleaf Germany's Support Policies
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:18:42 GMT

todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.074948.8376@rcvie.co.at> cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul) writes:
>>So we have here a company which 
>>	(d) sends out its "Password Documents" as illegible
>>		FAXes rather than per E-Mail (which would allow one to
>>		cut and paste the passwords rather than having to decipher
>>		the fax and then type in endless strings of digits and 
>>		letters, which is error-prone)

>Aaarrrrgghhhhhhh!!!!  Yes, they are almost ENDLESS!  ("Gee, a FRAME password
>is only 9 digits!")  My experience has been that they often get them WRONG
>and have to re-issue them....MORE TYPING!  EVERY TIME I need new passwords
>I plead, "Please, can't you email them to me somehow?"  To make matters
>worse, my FAX machine doesn't get along well with the one at ileaf, and
>my stupid corporate FAX policies make it difficult to get a FAX within
>several HOURS of when it arrives.

>WE DON'T MIND THOSE HUGE PASSWORDS IF YOU SEND THEM TO US VIA EMAIL!!!!!!!

No need to shout. :-)  I think they got the message.  Last Thursday (9/24),
I called Interleaf to get replacement passwords, since one of my license
servers died and was replaced with another machine.  The representative
asked me if I wanted to receive the new passwords via FAX or email.  I, of
course, asked for email.  They arrived later that day and I merrily pasted
them into the appropriate places.

...Tim

          Tim Theisen           Systems Programmer
Internet: tim@cs.wisc.edu       Department of Computer Sciences
    UUCP: uwvax!tim             University of Wisconsin-Madison
   Phone: (608)262-0438         1210 West Dayton Street
     FAX: (608)262-9777         Madison, WI   53706
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: dbw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Dorene Woodrow)
Subject: Passwords by email
Reply-To: dbw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Dorene Woodrow)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:07:11 GMT

FYI, the ability to email passwords varies by Interleaf office/
country today.

Interleaf in the U.S. distributes passwords by email now to all U.S.
customers who request it. We'll be glad to do this for you. Just ask
when you place an order through your sales rep or by phone and provide
the email address you want them to go to.  We're also setting up an
address/process whereby you will soon be able to *request* them by
email as well... stay tuned.

Most Interleaf subsidiaries/distributors in Europe and the Pacific Rim
are not yet set up to do this today.  However, we're going to take a 
closer look at this by country.

Thanks for your input!
 
-- 
Dorene Woodrow                      Internet: dbw@ileaf.com
Interleaf, Inc.                     UUCP:     uunet!leafusa!dbw
Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave.     Voice:    1.617.290.0710, ext. 2624
Waltham, MA 02154
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf