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From: linton@marktwain.rad.sgi.com (Mark Linton)
Subject: Re: Problems in printing 3.1 IV ref docs with 3.0 doc
Reply-To: linton@marktwain.rad.sgi.com (Mark Linton)
Organization: sgi
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:17:21 GMT

In article <3511@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu>, smp@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis) writes:
|> 	I am having problems with the print quality of the .ps files produced
|> from v 3.1 beta iv/src/man/refman/ch*.doc by using iv 3.0 doc.  Is the print
|> quality problem due to the version mismatch of the doc bin and the doc files
|> or is there a bug/font problem at my site.

Some older versions of doc need the resource "idraw_font_metrics" set off
to use the correct PostScript fonts (a misfeature fixed in newer versions).
There hasn't been a change in the doc file format.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
From: williams@aic.hrl.hac.com
Subject: Errors in examples/menu compile
Organization: Internet-USENET Gateway at Stanford University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:55:12 GMT

When trying to compile the examples/menu application in IV 3.1 beta using
CenterLine's ObjectCenter Release 1.1 I get the following error messages
for the file main.c:

making all for sparc in ./menu/sparc
/usr/local/CenterLine/bin/CC     -Dcplusplus_2_1     -I/interviews3.1/include -I/usr/local/X11R5/include   -c ../main.c
CC  ../main.c:
"../main.c", line 40: error: unexpected initializer list
"../main.c", line 40: error:  initializer list too long
"../main.c", line 48: error: unexpected initializer list
"../main.c", line 48: error:  initializer list too long
"../main.c", line 55: error: unexpected initializer list
"../main.c", line 55: error:  initializer list too long
"../main.c", line 126: error: bad argument  2 type for App_ActionCallback::App_ActionCallback(): App_ActionMemberFunction * ( App_ActionMemberFunction  expected)
7 errors

*** Error code 1

The initializer lists are for the filemenu and editmenu arrays of CmdInfo structs.

Has anyone else run into this problem??

Also the  statement on line 126

new ActionCallback(App)(this, i->func)

seems to need a dereference function pointer. Is this an error or am I 
picking up the wrong declarations somewhere?

Ron Williamson

Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
From: mrs@kithrup.COM (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: gcc2.2.2/interviews2.6
Reply-To: mrs@cygnus.com
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Distribution: comp.windows.interviews
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 04:28:20 GMT

Yes, should work just fine...  I have not tried it, though.

In article <RJESSE.92Aug29112043@netcom.Netcom.COM> rjesse@netcom.Netcom.COM (Rick Jesse) writes:
>For various reaons, I'm interested in building interviews 2.6.  Has
>anyone built it with gcc 2.2.2?  I'm guessing its not that bad;
>but thought I'd check to see if anyone else has tried it.
From: fuad@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Turnando Fuad)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
Subject: Learning InterViews
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:17:59 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Originator: fuad@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu

I am starting to use InterViews 2.6(dictated by project) and have read through
the docs provided with the release. I have no X-Windows or GUI programming 
experience, and feel like I am floundering through InterViews. I would 
appreciate any help in additional InterViews 2.6 documentation(system 
architecture, how all the components interrelate) or guidance as to how I can 
increase my InterViews productivity. I am also starting to read the Xlib 
Programming Manual(Vol 1) for some X programming background.

Thanks for the help in advance.
-- 
Turnando Fuad 				Internet: fuad@eecs.ucdavis.edu
CIPIC (Center for Image Processing and Integrated Computing) 
University of California		
Davis, CA 95616				Phone: (916)752-2387
From: mancini@fermat.cs.jhu.edu (Todd A. Mancini)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
Subject: Interviews 3.1-beta/Sun C++ 2.1
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:34:40 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD


Hello all.

I'm new to the InterViews world.  I went about compiling 3.1-beta using
Sun C++ 2.1.  I ran into a few problems, and solved them as follows:

 in iv/src/include/OS/math.h

 there is a declaration for both

   static boolean equal(float x, float y, float e);
 and
   static boolean equal(double x, double y, double e);

 which Sun 2.1 complains as being ambiguous (I guess it treats floats and
 doubles exactly the same -- shame on them...)

 So I simply commented out the float declaration.

 Moreover, in iv/src/lib/Dispatch/dispatcher.c there the declaration

   extern "C" {
       extern int select(int, fd_set*, fd_set*, fs_set* struct timeval*);
   }

 which is an exact redeclaration from <sys/stropts.h>, which is #include'd.
 So, once again, nuke this declaration.

 After that, everything built smoothly.

 Question: when I run idemo, the layout is VERY UGLY.  The labels overlap
 the objects they describe, and the Palette buttons appear starting in the
 menu bar.  Is this a bug in my build, or in idemo itself?  Furthermore,
 the sample programs which have a pull-down menu of fonts only show
 dark black boxes (as if the font names are drawn with foreground=background=
 BLACK).  Any solutions?  I am running on a color monitor.  I admit that I
 compiled with the b&w kit option, which I now understand is not part of
 3.1beta.  Could this be causing a problem?

 Thanks,
  -Todd
(mancini@cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
From: rich@MERL.COM
Subject: idraw
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc.
	Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:38:09 GMT

I have heard from one of my ex-graduate students that idraw has a "known
bug" of the following description:

      ...However, I no longer use
      idraw, since it sometimes randomly displaces the objects in my figures,
      so that they are no longer positioned on the grid points.

(1) Is this a known bug?  
(2) Has it been fixed in the most recent release?

If the answer to (2) is "yes", then I am interested in using it here
on our HP730 workstations.  Do you know if idraw has been successfully
compiled on these machines.  If so, can I get the binary directly without
having to go through a complete system build on interviews?

		Thanks, -Chuck Rich
From: fuad@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Turnando Fuad)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
Subject: IV2.6/World/Scene questions
Keywords: interviews
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:04:55 GMT
Reply-To: fuad@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Turnando Fuad)
Organization: Center for Image Processing and Integrated Computing/UC Davis

I am learning IV2.6 and are still trying to figure out how the various interactors
interact. I would appreciate any help in figuring out why the code listed below
doesn't work. Thanks for the help in advance.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <InterViews/world.h>
#include <InterViews/box.h>
#include <InterViews/glue.h>
#include <InterViews/message.h>

// class myScene: public MonoScene
class myScene: public Scene
{
};

void main()
{
   
   World *world = new World;
   myScene *scene = new myScene;
   Interactor *myBox = new HBox(
				new VGlue(1,vfil),
				new Message("Hello World"),
				new VGlue(1,vfil));
	
   scene->Insert(myBox);
   world->Insert(scene);	
   world->Raise(scene);// Doesn't this make scene the top level interactor?

   world->Run();				
	
   // The window that is displayed does not reflect myBox when myScene is
   // is a subclass of Scene.
}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------	

--
Turnando Fuad 				Internet: fuad@eecs.ucdavis.edu
CIPIC (Center for Image Processing and Integrated Computing) 
University of California		
Davis, CA 95616				Phone: (916)752-2387
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
From: mrs@kithrup.COM (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: 3.1 release date???
Reply-To: mrs@cygnus.com
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 04:32:26 GMT

If you had read the FAQ for interviews, you would have noticed that 3.1 has
already been released, and it available for ftp!  :-)/2

Now the only problem is getting the people that do releases to agree with the
FAQ!

Q3: What is the latest release of InterViews?

A3: We are currently distributing version 3.1.  The 3.2 release
    will probably occur toward the end of '92.


Q4: How does one obtain the InterViews distribution?

A4: The distribution is available via anonymous ftp from
    interviews.stanford.edu (IP address 36.22.0.175).
    Use login "ftp" and any password.  Make sure to use
    type "binary" and get "pub/3.1.tar.Z".  This is a
    single compressed tar file with the source and documentation.
    There is a README file in the top directory that explains
    how to build and install it.


So, can we have 3.1?  Or should the FAQ be updated!

In article <CHRISTIA.92Aug29143458@latenite.ssc.gov> christia@latenite.ssc.gov (Mike Christiansen) writes:
>When will the official 3.1 be released...and more important...what
>will be it's new features, if any, beyond 3.1beta?? 
>
>Will there be support for string browsers, editors, and other nice
>things which are in the Interactor based stuff?
>
>Also, I have found that I can insert interactors into glyph based
>containers, but there is no way to adjust the perspective of an
>interactor (say a texteditor) with a glyph based scroller..is this
>true or is there a work around (I want a consistent L&F throughout
>the interface i.e. no 2.6 scrollbars).
Newsgroups: comp.windows.interviews
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: idraw
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
Distribution: comp
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:23:46

>>>>> rich@MERL.COM writes:

> I have heard from one of my ex-graduate students that idraw has a
> "known bug" of the following description:

>       ...However, I no longer use
>       idraw, since it sometimes randomly displaces the objects in my figures,
>       so that they are no longer positioned on the grid points.

> (1) Is this a known bug?

Yes. It is not random exactly, it happens when you zoom in and zoom
out again. My guess is that it is results from round off errors in the
scale/translate/rotate transformations.

> (2) Has it been fixed in the most recent release?

I have been wondering about this myself. Since the Unidraw version of
idraw uses a model view concept, where view transforms are done on the
view only the bug should be gone (,... maybe...;-) 

A problem might be that changes to a zoomed view makes the results of
transformations with round-off error transmit to the model.

Don't know if this happens, I don't have a 3.0.1 version of idraw to
experiment with, had to clear my disc space to get room to experiment
with iv 3.1a & 3.1b and gcc

- Steinar
From: hopkins@turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: Future of NeWS (was Re: Why is initial screen I/O so slow?)
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:40:28 GMT
	<BARNETT.92Aug20135049@grymoire.crd.ge.com>
	<1992Aug22.150017.1614@dircon.co.uk>
Organization: The Turing Institute, Ltd.

uad1077@dircon.co.uk (Ian Kemmish) writes:

   barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) writes:

   >	Hardware accelerators will be hard to pipeline or parallelize
   >		(because pixels are read AND write instead of write only)
   >

   Since when has Sun's implementation of NeWS ever used a write-only
   framebuffer???!?  They even use XOR for doing *overlays*, for God's
   sake!

SGI's implementation of NeWS (4Sight) ran on a practically write-only
framebuffer.  The xor operation was very slow (as it was with the X
server at the time).  It used real hardware overlay planes to
implement the NeWS overlay plane.  In fact the pop-up menus were
subclassed (the SGIMenu subclass) to draw in the overlay plane, so
they popped down instantly without causing repainting (they didn't use
savebehinds, which were slow for the same reason xor was slow).

You were allowed three colors on the overlay (since it used 2
bitplanes to implement the overlay): black, white, and one other
color.  When you drew with a gray color, it would simply use a stipple
pattern.  When you drew with a non-gray color it would set the
colormap slot for the color overlay pixel to that color and use that.
The 4Sight user interface displayed red bounding boxes on the overlay
when you dragged windows around, and the menus had nice 50% gray drop
shadows stippled over the (appearently darkened) screen image
underneath.

	-Don
From: rvermeire@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Shared memory canvases ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:03:54 GMT
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

Some entries ago, somebody mentioned the use of shared memory canvases
to speed up NeWS performance. I'm using HyperNeWS1.4 to prototype
novel user interfaces in the process control arena. I'm definitively
interested in speeding up some of my applications. 
Can anybody indicate where to find some documentation and/or example
programs on these shared memory canvases
Many thanks,

	Marc Verboven
Process Control Research Group
Dow Benelux, Terneuzen, the Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
From: korp@atlantis.eid.anl.gov (Peter Korp)
Subject: Re: NeWS maybe shelved by SUN
Reply-To: korp@atlantis.eid.anl.gov
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:47:16 GMT

In article 164396@dstos3.dsto.gov.au, gks@dstos3.dsto.gov.au () writes:
>
>Someone at SUN hinted to me, that I should look at migrating a NeWS
>application I was developing. He suggested that NeWS might not be supported any
>further, in the near future. Any comments ?

Take his hint. :-(

---
	Peter A. Korp
	Argonne National Laboratory
	korp@tripoli.eid.anl.gov
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: xnews hardcopy (was Re: ps2bits fix)
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:03:49 GMT
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <14249@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>      (b) develop screen applications based on the Licensed Software for
>>          internal use only ... and not for distribution. Applications that
>>          use TypeScaler shall be F3 compliant and shall only be used with
>>          F3 Fonts, and such applications may not provide the ability to print
>>          images rendered by the Licensed Software unless you are otherwise
>>          licensed to do so (e.g., you have a license for NeWSPrint); ...
>
>What are "applications that use TypeScaler"?

"TypeScaler" is defined in the OW3.0 License Agreement as "the computer
programs developed by Sun in binary form and licensed hereunder which are
capable of dynamically scaling F3 Fonts".

So the clause seems only to apply to applications which use the font scaling 
*developed by Sun*.

Next question : which programs does the definition of "TypeScaler" refer to?
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.news
From: gettys@regent.enet.dec.com (Bob Gettys)
Subject: Re: Terminal/modem communication speed control for 14400baud?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: USA
Date: 26 AUG 92 22:52:53    


In article <l9kll8INN6oq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, gilles@cannes.Eng.Sun.COM (Patrick-Gilles Maillot) writes...
>Hi,
> 
>I am thinking of buying a new, faster internal modem/fax for my system and
>as I was contemplating those 14400b speedy boards, I wondered if any windows
>programs would actually support them?
> 
>The only sppeds I can select from (on my system) are ...9600 and 19200.
> 
>So what about 14400? Is there any software that supports this option?
> 
> 
>Please reply to patrick.maillot@sun.com
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>-Patrick
> 



	Any comm program that supports a speed higher than the 14400
automaticaly supports it. You just set the speed to the next higher level,
typically 19200. That is where the communications between windows (your
computer) an dthe modem takes place. The 14400 is between the modems over the
phone line.


	/s/	Bob Gettys
From: kneller@dufy.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Don Kneller)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Input Focus problem under OW 3.0
Summary: Different result in OW 2.0 and OW 3.0 with same TNT code.
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:47:58 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

I have encountered a strange problem with Input Focus that is
perplexing. I have an subclass (called a "view") of ClassBaseWindow
that has as part of its methods:

	/NewInit {
		/NewInit super send
		/Keyable? true store
	} def

	/KeyStart {	% event => [] true
		pop [ /StandardKey ] true
console (KeyStart\n) [] fprintf
	} def

	/StandardKey {	% event => -
		pop
console (StandardKey\n) [] fprintf
	} def

An event manager is created, and the instance of the view is
is created and activated:

	emgr /activate view send

Now here is the problem:  Under both OW 2.0 and OW 3.0 I see a "KeyStart"
message every time the mouse enters the view. As well, the input focus
bar changes to show I have the focus.  Under OW 2.0, each press of a
standard key brings up a "StandardKey" message.  BUT under OW 3.0 each
press results in a beep.

Has anyone seen anything like this before?  Please let me know.  Thanks.

	Don Kneller
	University of California, San Francisco
	kneller@picasso.mmwb.ucsf.edu

--
Donald G. Kneller
University of California, San Francisco
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From: herzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SMCC System Software)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news,comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: ps2bits fix
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:31:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dogwalk

>In article <1992Aug21.085409.2486@zellweger.ch> bisc@zellweger.ch (Thomas K. Bischoff) writes:
>
>Does this mean it is illegal to use the Snapshot utility in the the deskset
>tools, if you don't have NeWSprint ? Especially the print button ?

I'm not lawyer, but as I understand it, the answer is yes, it is illegal.

In article <1992Aug21.142144.1641@rcvie.co.at> cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul) writes:
>[...]
>What about using xnews to rasterize for a fax server? Is that
>considered "hardcopy"?

I'm not lawyer, but as I understand it, the answer is yes.

Don't blame Sun, it doesn't own this stuff.  Welcome to the wonderful
world of intellectual property...

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: I do not represent Sun Microsystems, Inc., etc., etc.
Brian Herzog, SMCC            herzog@Eng.Sun.COM           ....!sun!eng!herzog
From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: Why is initial screen I/O so slow?
Date: 31 Aug 92 05:18:57 GMT
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology



I tried to send this directly to Liam [lee@sqlee.sq.com (Liam R. E.
Quin)] but it bounced back twice.  Sorry for the bandwith loss...

> I am not sure how to get rid of the OpenWindows startup banner if you are
> using xdm, but the normal approach is to insert into .startup.ps
> 	/IncludeDemos? false def % faster startup, no TNT demos
> 	/NoBanner? true def
>  
> You *might* have to surround these like this:
> 	UserDict begin
> 	    /IncludeDemos? false def
> 	    /NoBanner? true def
> 	end
> 	 
> but I don't believe so.  If you are starting xnews with xdm, do use the
> OpenWindows 3 config files and xdm, or you have a security hole -- the
> server runs as root in the MIT setup; unlike X11, xnews can access files
> and run programs...

Actually there might be some confusion here.  There are two banners
involved.  In general one can start xnews with -banner and get the
full screen OW screen (with full screen blue background).  However the
default is -nobanner and one will get the X "weavy" background.
Unfortunately even in this situation one gets the small OW logo on the
middle of the screen.

I wandered through the /usr/openwin/etc/NeWS/{init,paintroot}.ps code
and there does not seem to be a way to get rid of this smaller logo
(which is irritating because only a small farction of it shows up
under the xdm login window...

Oh well, Liam, thanks for your help anyway...

-Miguel


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Why is initial screen I/O so slow?
Followup-To: comp.windows.news
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:55:01 GMT

is there a way to change the color of the 'weavy' background though?
-- 
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From: elric@imryrr.Eng.Sun.COM (Rick Heli)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news,comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: xnews hardcopy (was Re: ps2bits fix)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 18:40:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: imryrr

The F3 fonts are described in the OpenWindows Version 3 Programmer's Guide,
Chapter 5, Font Support, pp. 46-51.

In article <1992Aug24.203535.367@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
|> BTW, which are the F3 Fonts? I looked through the OW3.0 User's Guide and 
|> DeskSet Reference, and there was nothing in the indices about them. Also, 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Guide Colour and File Chooser
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 04:08:47 GMT

Does anyone have anything like Guide's File and Colour choosers for NeWs,
either in PostScript or using the wire?
Guide seems only to include them for OLIT and TNT unless I am seriously
mistaken.

Lee

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.news,comp.windows.misc