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From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Quantum Theories & Teacup reproduction
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:58:24 GMT
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Now this stuff has gotten incredibly sick (but I like it in a strange way).

Basically it seems that the problem lies in figuing out the following concepts
and how they are all possible within the context of the movie:

What we know:

1.  The Enchantress cast the spell on the young prince which stated that he
    must find someone who can see beyond his beastial facade and learn to
    love him.  Not only that he must love her as well.  If this does not
    occur by his 21st birthday he would remain a beast for all time.

2.  According to Lumiere in his song "Be Our Guest" at least 10 years had
    passed since the curse was cast (I don't think the servants could've
    "rusted" or needed "dusting" if they were still human).

3.  There were far more "objects" that were alive than ther could possibly
    have been actual servants.

At the beginning of the film the prince already look much older than the
hypothetical 11 years old mark.  At best he was a teenager (perhaps 16 or
older). That would be too inconsistant.  I tend to think the characters did
not age during the 10 years.  That would make more sense, however, that still
doesn't explain why it was only the Prince's 21st birthday when he met Belle.
Well, I believe that he was a little boy when he was cursed, so his

As for the differnces in numbers of "objects" I think that what happened is
that Lumiere, Amoire, Marie, Mrs. Potts, Chip, Cogsworth, Otto, and the rest
of the castle's residents switched places with some of the more prominent
"objects" (teapot, ottoman, mantleclock, candlabra, etc).  As for the obvious
abundance of other miscellaneous objects (silverware, dishes, steins, etc), I
tent to imagine that two simultaneous things happened.

1.  Cogs, Potts, et al were transformed into their given objects,
    and the originals were displaced (sent to another dimension).

2.  All of the remaining furniture, utensils, and things were then
    animated.  The best way to ell the difference between which were
    always "objects" and which were originally servants was by which
    had eyes and mouths, and which did not.  That, of course, would
    mean the Kitchen sink and stove were also originally servants,
    where as the dishes and such from the "Be Our Guest" segment
    were not.

As for the teacup reproduction.....I think Chip was already a little boy at
the time of the enchantment.  Chip's "brothers" in the cupboard, however,
were already teacups (no eyes).  Maybe time slowed or stopped (a la Sleeping
Beauty) until the one who was to break the spell would happen upon the castle?

just some thoughts
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney,rec.arts.animation
From: hank@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Lisa Henry)
Subject: What's the story with Cinderella?
Organization: Boeing
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:31:40 GMT

When was Cinderella released on video?  A friend of mine got a copy
from a friend of his, and it surprised me because I hadn't heard about
it being out.  I started collecting the tapes with the release of The
Little Mermaid (I came out of the theater singing my fool head off!
rather embarrassed my companion...).  Cinderella is one of my favorites,
although I really enjoy them all.  Any chance of me picking up a copy
some where?  Anyone have any extras?  

-- 
*************************
Lisa Henry
hank@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: SHOWELL3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: List of Disney Movies
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:34:16 GMT

Hello all,
 
Was just wondering if anyone had an exhaustive list of all the movies Disney
has made.  If so, post it if anyone else is interested or just e-mail me.
 
Thanks,
 
Sandra
showell@biology.as.ua.edu
From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Remastered Pinnochio LD release
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:52:35 GMT

According to Video Magazine, newly remastered Pinnochio laserdisc 
will be available only on CLV format.  It "should" be available on 
the same date as its VHS release.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Subject: Re: Observations regarding TLM
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:39:46 GMT

In <1icflgINNr3g@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.012910.23048@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:

>>3.  Just how many feathers does Scuttle lose in the entire film?  And
>>howcome he can still fly even minus these feathers?  Or is this somthing
>>like the bumblebee which isn't supposed to be able to fly either?

Quite a few, but did you notice how many Iago the parrot lost in Aladdin?  He
even said something like, "Look at me, I'm so (can't remember) I'm moulting!"
 
>>7.  For that matter, what is it that Sebastian says between "He'd say
>>he's gonna kill himself a crab, that's what her father'd say!  I'm gonna
>>march myself straight . . . . . "  and " . . . . and don't you shake
>>your head at me, young lady . . ."?  

>That one's easier, I think--I'll check.

I got it--but not word for word.  I don't have my tape here.  But it's
something like, "I'm gonna march myself straight back and tell him like I
should have done in the first place (no comma) and don't you shake your head
at me..."

(Oops--sorry--deleted the tongue question.  But the original question was what
the thing was Ursula was holding in the song "Poor Unfotunate Souls" in the
lines about women holding their tongues to get their men.  And the reply was
that it did look like a tongue, and it might be in reference to the original
story, in which the witch actually cut out the mermaid's tongue.)

Oh, it's definitely a tongue.  But I think it's just to emphasize it.  Like
choreography--it is a song, after all.  I don't think it refers to cutting out
her tongue.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Existence of Orion (was: More on Disney Women)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:28:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.203415.1540@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> shahin@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Ali R Shahin) writes:
>
>  As far as companies owned by Foreigners and Americans, Orion really doesnot
>exist anymore 

This statement is only half-true, at best.  Orion does indeed exist.
They've exitted bankruptcy, and intend to go on doing business.  They
will release around 12 films in the next year.  Very probably, at least
one of their films ("Love Field") will receive an Academy Award nomination
at the next Oscars (for best actress).  They will no longer finance movies
internally, but will probably make a few films a year with financing from
other sources, and release more films made independently.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: What is it with the Hooters?
Keywords: kazongas/coconuts/malomboes/hooters/jugs/breasts!
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:54:12 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:

>In article <C0FLoD.JBM@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>>Goodness.  I read this, and not one obnoxious comment went through my head.
>>Must be some of that maturity stuff I keep hearing about.
>>
>>-- 
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>> 
>Well that's good.  It was just meant to be a zinger.

It worked.  I blinked at least three times. :)
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From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Jungle Book down under
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:42:49 GMT

In <1993Jan4.125137.24966@trl.oz.au> wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:

Aussie talk; I'm sure yawl will forgive us, but people's gotta know . . .

>Soundtrack available on Walt Disney Records. I suspect Rainbow or
>someone has engaged in a buyback campaign as I can't find a SINGLE
>Rainbow brand Disney CD. (I was gunna bring a Little Mermaid and Poppins
>CD or two over next US trip....they *were* US$8 here!!!!)

The latest news on the soundtrack front is that they *were* unavailable
for quite a while, but have just been rereleased by Pickwick.  Titles
available are: Cinderella, Peter Pan, The Rescuers, Lady and the Tramp,
Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid (at A$10! that's 1/2 of the price I
paid three months ago!), Robin Hood, Oliver & Company, and a few others.
The tapes are quite widespread (though, as usual, you've gotta look in the
"Children's" section to find them), and I'm reasonably certain that
they're all around on CD too. Naturally, they are pretty short for the
most part, except for the later musicals, such as TLM and O&Co
(Cinderella is just 22 minutes long).  They are all very inexpensive,
the tapes being A$7 and the CDs A$10-12.  TLM is, by inspection,
identical to my US import, and I presume the same applies to the others.

>Perhaps it will be released on video here in a year or so... of course,
>I have my LaserDisc... I don't care! :-)

And I have *mine*.  Singular.  Yes, my list of LDs is quite long at the moment.
Here it is:
	The Little Mermaid.
Huge.  Gloat gloat gloat gloat gloat. . . .

>I'll still go to see it on the big screen anyway!
Ditto.

Tim Pickett
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda)
Subject: Re: Goofy Watch
Followup-To: rec.arts.disney
Keywords: goofy watch
Reply-To: tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:21:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.220956.11966@pony.Ingres.COM> tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda) writes:
| 
| Hi,
| 
| 	My wife bought me a Goofy watch for Christmas and unfortunately

...Oh, and I forgot to add that we are having difficulty in finding
a jeweler to replace the battery. The watch is made by "Pedre", and
there don't seem to be too many shops willing to pop off the back for 
fear of not being able to get it back on. Bummer, eh ?!

	Any hint/tips/etc. appreciated.

	Tom


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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Observations regarding TLM
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:55:40 GMT

In <2586@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.012910.23048@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:

>>25. Does anyone else find it strange that it took Ariel not only less
>>than a day to learn how to walk, but only one additional day to learn
>>how to dance?

Well, sure, but she still lost her balance while they danced.

>26.  When Ursula hypnotizes Eric (not to mention having the eels upset the
>boat), doesn't that invalidate the contract?  So why isn't Triton able to
>zap her later on?

Maybe the contract did not specifically state she (and F and J) would not
interfere, so that allowed her to....?  I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.  :)


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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Aladdin: Oh Baby!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:16:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan4.193121.2817@octel.com> cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes:
>
>Well, head on down to Disneyland.  Aladdin is there in the flesh.  (As
>well as a 7+ foot Jafar, and an irresistable Genie, that likes to hold

They don't normally have villains "stalking" the park, do they?
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw Jafar with a small
child at Disneyland.  Yikes! 8-O


- Robert Cook
From: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM (Michelle Donat SE Chicago Loop )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney stock
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:41:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: theloop.central.sun.com

I'm not sure that splitting 4 for one and then going up $8.00 since the split is a problem....
the stock, last time I looked was at about $42.00 US.  When it split this spring, it  split to about
$33.00 US.  Not too bad, since I think it split a few years ago......


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SE Chicago Loop
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312-855-9530

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Just Saw Alladin...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:44:05 GMT

In <7!-3-qp@rpi.edu> riouxp@rs6225.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux) writes:

>maybe chip was born after the enchantment.. ugh!.. if you want to get technical..
>which you are... the actual stress fractures couldn't account for the amount of space that it takes for chip to come out...not to mention the stress that chip wound have since his head is hollow...
>and btw what DOES happen first b4 you get babies?......:)

So is this why Chip is, shall we say, less than perfect?

Tim Pickett

(PS  If you want to know what happens before you get babies, mail me.
I have quite a good idea; I even have photos to prove it.)
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Goofy Watch
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:34:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

In article 12680@pony.Ingres.COM, tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.220956.11966@pony.Ingres.COM> tad@Ingres.COM (Tom Drynda) writes:
> | 
> | Hi,
> | 
> | 	My wife bought me a Goofy watch for Christmas and unfortunately
> 
> ....Oh, and I forgot to add that we are having difficulty in finding
> a jeweler to replace the battery. The watch is made by "Pedre", and
> there don't seem to be too many shops willing to pop off the back for 
> fear of not being able to get it back on. Bummer, eh ?!
> 


No problems here in Northern California, Tom.  I've had the original battery replaced twice
without any issues or concerns mentioned by the repair folks.  I did go to watch repair
people, not "jewelers", but am not sure that would make a difference.

I've had mine for over two years, and my got my son one last year...  great conversation
piece, and only a tad difficult to get used to.

Good luck!

Tk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: What is it with the Hooters?
From: jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle )
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:09:51 PST
Organization: California State University, Bakersfield
Keywords: kazongas/coconuts/malomboes/hooters/jugs/breasts!

In article <C0FLoD.JBM@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>Goodness.  I read this, and not one obnoxious comment went through my head.
>Must be some of that maturity stuff I keep hearing about.
>
>-- 
>"What kind of place is this?"    | Emru Townsend  | BIX: switch
>"Looks like one of them gay Arab |                | emru@cam.org
> biker sushi joints."            | (514) 932-7145 | Fido: 1:167/133
> 
Well that's good.  It was just meant to be a zinger.
Jennifer
From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: pinnochio video re-re
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:50:12 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: foundation.wpd.sgi.com

In <C0qx2y.DG@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:

>As I said before, I bought Sister Act on LaserDisc last night and there was
>a Touchstone survey card inside.  It had some interesting questions on it,
>as if Buena Vista is trying to decide if they really have been wrong in their
>policies.  The questions included which I preferred, Letterbox or Pan and Scan.
>Would I have still bought this disc if it were only available in Pan and Scan?
>How many CAV/CLV discs do you currently own?

>A friend said he got a similar card in a Disney movie he just bought, so maybe
>Buena Vista/Disney will see there is money to be made if they change their
>policies a little.... (hope, hope)


There's no need to wait for a survey card just to let them know
how you feel.  These types of questions probably got on the survey
card in the first place due to letters they've received from people.
I've written them a number of times to let them know how I feel about
letterboxing and their release policies.  The more people who write
the better.  The address is:

Walt Disney Home Video
Consumer Relations
P.O. Box 908
Lakewood, CA  90714-0908

Curt
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: chenry@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (catherine.b.henry)
Subject: Lion King
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:06:57 GMT

Greetings, Net-folk:

I have seen some talk in this group about "The Lion King" -- can anyone
give me an approximate story line? I and my kids were just wondering what
it was about.

BTW, just got my Aladdin CD -- I love
the music, but wish there were more "character" songs.  My kids (8 and 5)
hit the middle of the disc and want an immediate return to the beginning,
skipping all of the "action" music.  Hello, Hello out there -- Alan
Menken and company, you're wonderful!

/Cath
From: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM (Michelle Donat SE Chicago Loop )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Which videos are out of print?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: theloop.central.sun.com

The first rule in acquiring Disney videos, is 
GET THEM WHEN YOU SEE THEM!
From what I know, Disney makes a fixed number of tapes, and when their gone, their gone!
This is a partial list of out of print videos
Pinocchio (due out again 3/93)
Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella
Peter Pan
The Little Mermaid
Fantasia (still available some places)
Jungle Book (again still available some places)
I think that the Rescuers and RDU are still widely available, as is 101D.
if you see them, get them when you can -there are lotsa people on this net who regret that they
didn't when they had the chance (I think).

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Michelle Donat
SE Chicago Loop
michelle@sunloop.Central
312-855-9530
From: jmays@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jennifer Mays)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Fred Newman question
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:10:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA


I'm pretty sure Fred Newman ison MMC, Mickey Mouse Club.  My sister and I
watch MMC, and there's this guy named Fred, and I think his last name is
Newman.  My sister was on MMC once when we were in WDW, and she met him. I'm
pretty sure she got his autograph, and it's Fred Newman.

Hope this helps,

Jenny
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer)
Subject: Re: Video Releases
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:53:51 GMT

>> Sorry, I'm just diappointed that Buena Vista decided to delay Sleep.
>> I did hear from a source that the print for Sleep is in bad shape
>> and that they are probably going to restore it or something.
>
> Oooooooo - another infamous "disney restoration"!! Do you think that
> they'll be able to milk $30k out of this one?? You'd think they'd
> have learned their lesson after their last "restoration" bombed in
> the theaters..... 

Ahhhhh, but they have!  Pinocchio "bombed" at the box-office because
IMHO it isn't really a kids movie -- very dark story and scary as hell.
On the other hand 101 Dalmatians etc. are relatively cheery (although
every animated feature has a "bad guy" and a "scary" climax). So, 
in place of "Sleeping Beauty", which might have limited appeal, Disney,
I bet, decided to trot out THE war horse (Snow White) do one of their
(in)famous restorations, milk not $30 million but $100 million out of
this one theatrically and then sell 20,000,000+ cassettes at $x per. 

Yup, Disney is crazy... like a fox.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Video Releases
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:11:46 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan4.105351.27285@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer) writes:
>Ahhhhh, but they have!  Pinocchio "bombed" at the box-office because
>IMHO it isn't really a kids movie -- very dark story and scary as hell.
>On the other hand 101 Dalmatians etc. are relatively cheery (although
>every animated feature has a "bad guy" and a "scary" climax). So, 
>in place of "Sleeping Beauty", which might have limited appeal, Disney,
>I bet, decided to trot out THE war horse (Snow White) do one of their
>(in)famous restorations, milk not $30 million but $100 million out of
>this one theatrically and then sell 20,000,000+ cassettes at $x per. 
>
>Yup, Disney is crazy... like a fox.

I had heard that Snow White would *never* repeat *never* be released on video
as it was Walt's favourite... 'course they said the same about Fantasia.. and
then promised it would be different with Snow White... hmm, you think they
could be tellin' us a fib to make us more likely to see it in the theater?
Naaah, they wouldn't lie to us.... would they?

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