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[0]back the file up on a couple of DSDD 3.5" disks. But on trying to restore
[0] them on the Tandy using the right restore software, the response was
[0] something like "No files found to restore", but I checked that the disks
[0] did have the backed up files.

Sounds like you didn't specify the right filename when you tried to extract
the files, OR you didn't specify the same path.  DOS BACKUP/RESTORE is very
stupid and will only put a file right back where it came from.  So if when
you saved the file you specified A\B\C\XXX for the file to BACKUP, you must
specify the full A\B\C\XXX in the RESTORE command, or it won't match and
RESTORE will skip the file and claim there was no match after it looks at
all the disks for the path you specified.

[0] Also, the first (of the 2) disk was apparently read within about 
[0].75-1 sec., which seemd strangely short (given the size of the file there
[0] -- about 720 K). Why is this?

This is because it only has to look at the list of files on that disk.
It does not have to actually read the contents of one file to get to the
next.  So it will scan the directory of each disk fairly quickly.  A
similar operation would be looking at the header on a DUMP/RESTORE volume,
or using "tar tvn".

[0]Also, is there another way of splitting a binary file ?

You could use the DOS version of tar, or write a program to break the
file apart.  You can also uuencode it, break it into sections with
an editor, then reassemble the pieces on the other system with a editor,
then run uudecode on the result.  BACKUP/RESTORE or DOS tar are a lot
easier.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: bruce@obrien.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bruce.DeFusco)
Subject: Re: DR DOS on 1000 TX drive letter question...
Organization: NCR Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:22:53 GMT

In article <ku16s1INNml@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape) writes:
>
>	I recently installed DR DOS 6.0 on a 1000 TX and am having problems
>with drive A.  It is supposed to be a 3.5" 720K disk, but it will only
>format to 360k.  I have installed the driver.sys device, but drive A still
>only gets to 360k.  Drive E, on the otherhand, is a 720k drive.  If I use
>assign to which them, I cannot format to a.  I would like to be able to
>format a to 720k.
>
>
>Bryon S. Lape


	Bryon,

	I had this same problem on my TX with MS/DOS 5.0.  I found that placing
drivparm in config.sys with the appropriate parameters solves the problem.  I
have the system at home or I would tell you the options.  Check out the manual
that came with your DOS.

	Hope this helps.

	Bruce DeFusco
From: bownes@Sun.COM (Robert Bownes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Tandy 6000/16's/upgraded 12 for sale $200.00
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:56:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Billerica, MA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sanctum.east.sun.com


        This is mostly to guage interest and offer the comp.sys.tandy folks 
        first shot at some hardware in decent shape for a rational cost.

        I've recently come across a handfull of Model 6000's/16B's,
        and an upgraded model 12. Basically I had to buy all of them to get
        the one part I wanted (bournoulii box) so I`d like to get
        rid of them for about what I paid for them + the shipping.

        I have yet to really go through all of them and see what's there,
        but it currently looks like 1 Model 6000, 3 16B's, and a model 12
        that's been upgraded. There is also an assortment of disk drives, 3
        15MB, 1 30MB, and one 70Mb. One of the 16's may have an internal disk
        as well.

        There are two terminals, a Qume and an Ampex as well. They'll go to 
        the highest bidder over $30. A Microterm Act-V will be available
        soon as well.

        Anyway, I'd like to part with these for the sum of $200 each for a 
        complete, working, tested, Xenix 3.2 installed system. Not a bad
        price for a reasonable little UNIX system I think. I'm willing to split
        the shipping tab (about $20.00 I think) and COD charges (~$4).

        If you're interested, send me some mail or give me a call at 
        the number below. Mail is preferred since I'll not be home most 
        evenings for the next several weeks. But there is a machine.

        e-mail: bownes@pluto.crd.ge.com or bownesrm@aule-tek.com Don't use the
		sun.com address, I'm rarely there.
        phone:  (518)-274-1280 (Home, before 11:00pm EST please)
From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Bob Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Tandy bashing revisted
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:21:55 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


  Well, let's see how you stalwart Tandy supporters gloss over this
  one.  

  Having recently turfed my 1000 TX for a 386-40, I purchased my
  cheap-as-dirt parallel to Centronix printer cable for my DMP 130,
  since the 1000 TX uses that buggy bastard cable that lives on an
  edge connector.  Hook up cable.  Boot computer.  Turn on printer.  
  Nothing happens.

  Pulling out my trusty PC reference, I leaf to the page containing
  the Centronix standard 36 pin connector diagram.  I reference the
  same material in the back of the printer handbook.  What do I
  find?  The DMP has a standard Centronix pinout, except for the
  printer init line.  It's been moved 2 pins over, to an unused pin
  on the true Centronix standard.  10 minutes, a little solder, and
  1 burnt finger later, voila! a working computer/printer combo.

  Now here's the question:  What reason, other than an attempt to
  force PC illiterates to buy a Tandy cable, would Tandy have for
  reversing the init line?  I can picture it quite clearly:

  "Mr. Tandy computer guru, my printer won't work with my computer.
  What ever shall I do?"

  "Not to worry son.  You need the Radio Shack deluxe model, triply
  shielded, 2000lb tow rate capacity 10 guage printer cable, and all
  of your wordly woes will be solved."

  "Gosh, Mr. Tandy computer guru, that's swell!  I'll take one!"

  "Good choice, my boy!  For three simple monthly installments of
  only $9.95, we'll order you one up.  Just sign this request and the
  Abrogration of Rights to your Firstborn.  Should be here in, oh, 9
  weeks."

  "Gee willickers, Mr. Tandy guru.  Don't know what I'd do without
  you here watching out for my best interests."


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

C: The language that combines the power of assembly language with the 
   flexibility of assembly language.

Real friends don't let friends use UNIX.
From: blee@plains.NoDak.edu (Blaine Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Tandy archive
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:48:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16614
Expires: 31 Dec 69 23:59:59 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND


Just a note aboout the archive I created a while back for the 16/6000
Xenix system.

When it was created there was little interest and I became quite discouraged.
Since so little attention was given to it and I had problems finding 
any code elsewere on the net, I went to my quicker booting Atari ST.
I will start using my Xenix system if I start seeing more action on the
net.

Basicialy what I am saying is "USE THE ARCHIVE!", put stuff* on it.

*stuff is defined as follows: binarys, source diffs to anything but mud,
			      hardware mods, and any extra tars you have.

I will have to control the size of the archive, but that hasn't been a 
problem so far.

Blaine Lee
blee @ plains.nodak.edu

Oh yeah, to access the archive
ftp plains.nodak.edu
username: anonymous
password: .......   <- can't be seen :)

No there is no mail server and lately we have been having problems with
the machine, so keep trying!
From: cjm@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Chris McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: IDE 20MEG SMARTDRIVE INSTALLATION
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:38:12 GMT

From article <1992Apr16.215315.39425@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, by blytheg@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu:
> I have been told by radio shaft, excuse me, shack that the 20Meg smartdrive
> in my tandy 1000 tl/2 is an IDE hard drive.
> I have a 386 with an IDE controller, but when I connect the smartdrive to
> the non-tandy computer it won't work.  Is there something I'm missing?
> Is there a special jumper on the smartdrives that I need to change?
> Tandy provided me with no documentation of worth and their representatives
> in Lawrence Kansas are less than helpful about aiding me in puting the tandy
> drive I bought in a non-tandy machine.
> 
> Any clues would be helpful.

You need to change the interrupt vector from IRQ2 to IRQ5.  How you do
this you'll have to find out on your own.

Chris

Christopher J. McConnell  --  Computer Science and Engineering 
                              Graduate of Northern Arizona University  
INTERNET: cjm@naucse.cse.nau.edu  BITNET: cjm@naucse.bitnet
From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Bob Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: Tandy bashing revisted
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:32:19 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Apr16.033703.27008@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:
>In article <9417@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Bob Beauchaine) writes:
>>
>>  Now here's the question:  What reason, other than an attempt to
>>  force PC illiterates to buy a Tandy cable, would Tandy have for
>>  reversing the init line?  I can picture it quite clearly:
>>
>
>Well, let's see if I'm right on this one......
>
>You indicate that Tandy changed the Centronics standard, but I'm
>thinking it was IBM who changed the standard.  Tandy's printer port
>has used that configuration since 1978 (or 79?) when the TRS-80 Model 1
>expansion interface came out.  The IBM port has been in use since 1981(?)
>when the PC came out.  Tandy continued using their 1978 port to maintain
>compatablity for their model 1,2,3,4,..... users who were upgrading.
>

  I'm referring to the printer end of the cable, the 36 pin
  Centronix portion.  The other end is not even close to what the PC
  uses (a mail DB25 connector); I don't know what Tandy calls it.
  As far as I know, the Centronix interface was established long
  before the IBM PC was even a glimmer in Intel's eye. 

  I bought the printer in 1987.  It is the only Centronix input
  printer I have seen that won't hook up to a PC and run
  immediately.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

C: The language that combines the power of assembly language with the 
   flexibility of assembly language.

Real friends don't let friends use UNIX.
From: heitke@tellabs.com (Steve Heitke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: KSH history recall
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:13:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tellab5.1992Apr14.171350.757
Organization: digital
Originator: heitke@turbo

In one of my pads (started as bsd4.3) I am running a vt100 emulator, my shell
is KSH.  I would like to have the ability to recall commands using the escape
key as I do in my Sun environment, the problem is that the Apollo doesn't see
the escape key correctly.  The key gets interpretted as ^] but the "recall" 
action of KSH is not active.  Is there a specific setup that is required before
I can achieve my goal (normal KSH use)?  Thanks.

-Steve
-- 

	Steve Heitke	heitke@tellabs.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: markd@silogic.uucp (Mark C. DiVecchio (K3FWT))
Subject: The Vision Trap
Organization: Silogic Systems, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:03:41 GMT


There was an excellent article in the March-April 1992 issue
of the Harvard Business Review written by Gerard H. Langeler,
President of the Systems Group of Mentor Graphics.

Mr. Langeler was a founder of Mentor in 1981.

It is an article in a series of articles under the general
title "First Person - Firsthand lessons from experienced managers".

In the article, Mr. Langeler describes the transformation of Mentor
from a startup whose vision was "Build Something People Will Buy", to
the Mentor of a few years ago whose vision had ballooned to "Changing the
Way the World Designs" and their fall back into the reality of today
where, downsized and humbled, their vision has returned to "Build
Something People Will Buy".

This should be read by every Mentor user and employee.

-- 
Mark DiVecchio, Silogic Systems, 619-549-9841                       K3FWT
-----   9888 Carroll Center Road, Suite 113, San Diego, CA 92126    -----
markd@silogic.uucp                             BBS 619-549-3927
...!ucsd!celit!silogic!markd     celit!silogic!markd@ucsd.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mentor:87 comp.sys.apollo:2224
From: rknight@gec-rl-hrc.co.uk (Roger Knight (B21))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor,comp.sys.apollo
Subject: DAT drives on 425 (DOMAIN/OS)
Keywords: DAT Domain/OS wbak
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: rknight@hrc63.UUCP (Roger Knight )
Organization: GEC Hirst Research Centre

Does anyone out there  know about using DAT 
drives for backing up Apollos? I'm thinking
of buying one to put on either a 425t or a
DN4500 with Western Digital SCSI. Can you use
Aegis wbak and rbak with them or do you need
to use tar / dd / cpio?

We use Mentor software so there are a lot of 
"hdru" typed files which the UNIX commands
won't read.

Please don't tell me about Omnibak - I can't
afford it!

Thanks in advance
-Roger Knight
VLSI CAD Systems Administrator
GEC-Marconi Hirst Research Centre
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Re: Need for Mentor to support version 7 under Domain/OS 10.4
Reply-To: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
	<TIMSC.92Apr10094136@boulder.cfsat.Honeywell.COM>
	<1992Apr12.014316.22862@edsi.plexus.COM>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:20:25 GMT


Chuck> A big question will be... Is it possible to run 7.0 under 10.4.  Rumor
Chuck> has it that VUE will be the user interface of choice with 10.4

Chuck> These facts are from memory from reading various HP upgrade and
Chuck> operability papers.


If 10.4 is completely different from 10.3  (i.e. VUE as the GUI) then
I wouldn't expect Mentor to support 7.0. 
I was under the impression (I guess wrongly) that 10.4 would just 
be a re-released 10.3 with final bug fixes etc:

--
Tim Schneider                       Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division
Ph: (602) 436-3078                   PO Box 21111 MS M29D1 Phoenix, AZ 85036
Email: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com  OR  uunet!asuvax!hwcae.honeywell.com!timsc

Honeywell Spokesman... NOT!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Re: Need for Mentor to support version 7 under Domain/OS 10.4
Originator: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:49:28 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <TIMSC.92Apr15092025@boulder.cfsat.Honeywell.COM>, timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider) writes:
|> 
|> Chuck> A big question will be... Is it possible to run 7.0 under 10.4.  Rumor
|> Chuck> has it that VUE will be the user interface of choice with 10.4
|> 
|> Chuck> These facts are from memory from reading various HP upgrade and
|> Chuck> operability papers.
|> 
|> 
|> If 10.4 is completely different from 10.3  (i.e. VUE as the GUI) then
|> I wouldn't expect Mentor to support 7.0. 
|> I was under the impression (I guess wrongly) that 10.4 would just 
|> be a re-released 10.3 with final bug fixes etc:

Tim is right; SR10.4 is a bug fixed and standards compliant 10.3.
VUE is supported, but not as a replacement for the DM.

- Greg
-- 
Greg Cagle               "I've got a, uh, a *whatever-it-is*
Mentor Graphics           and I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!"
greg_cagle@mentorg.com
From: scott@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Scott Colwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Re: Pins on grid ???
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:03:01 GMT
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia

john@hpsad.sad.hp.com (John Ruf) writes:
>  Most parts which are not metric have a pin spacing which falls on some
>multiple of a 25 mil pin grid in at least 1 axis. If you will pick a point
>in the other axis which is on a 25 mil grid (but may not be the center of the
>pad) you will reduce the number of extra grid points you need to create for
>offgrid pins. This in turn reduces total routing memory and time and may
>improve the pin entry (in some cases).

This works well for parts with only 2 or 3 pads and for parts that are
pretty close to a 25thou grid but what do you recommend for metric pitches?
You could define a set of pads for a part that place the pad origins on a
25thou grid but you end up needing one padstack per pin in the worst
case.

The sort of parts that I am concerned about are the Japanese style plastic
quad-flat-packs with >100 pins.
-- 
Scott Colwell
Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd.	net:	scott@labtam.labtam.oz.au
Melbourne, Australia 		phone:	+61-3-587-1444
From: rocco@ll.mit.edu (A. Gregory Rocco Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Need for Mentor to support version 7 under Domain/OS 10.4
Keywords: Domain/OS 10.4
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:00:06 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab; Lexington Ma
Originator: rocco@ll.mit.edu (A. Gregory Rocco Jr.)


Jinfu Chen, Message-ID: <57dde82c.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>, Date: 30 Mar 92 17:07:21 GMT
writes:

> I just learn this from an internal memo that Mentor won't support IDEA
> version 7.x with up-coming HPollo Domain/OS 10.4, the last major Domain/OS HP
> will ever support.
> 
> While we all may upgrade to IDEA version 8 eventually, many of us may need to
> live in a mix environment (version 7 and version 8) for a long period of time
> for various reasons.  I feel supporting SR10.4 for both version 7 and version
> 8 is very important to us and would like to see Mentor change its current
> decision.
> 
> Within Motorola we're trying to put some high level corporate  pressure to
> Mentor in this issue.  I urge other Mentor users who would like to see
> version 7 being supported on SR10.4 do the same thing, perhaps MUGS could
> also take on this issue as well.
> 
> Any comments?



We are using Mentor Graphics versions 7 and 8 on the same nodes.  We are
planning to run in this mixed mode for about a year.  It will be painfull
for us if Mentor version 7 does not run under Domain/OS 10.4.  I plan to
switch my design work over gradually to version 8 as it makes sense to do so.
Here are some examples of things we need to wait for before switching completly:
  1. I am using a Silicon Compiler form Cascade Design Automation.  I will
     continue to use it with Mentor version 7 until Cascade supports Mentor
     version 8.
  2. Rather than switch releases for projects that are in the middle we plan
     to finish them under version 7.

A mixed environment is also very helpfull from a training point of view.
Users at our site have started to play with version 8 while their real project
is still being done in version 7.

I expect that lots of other customers will also be running mixed environments.
It is unrealistic to expect us to be running Mentor version 7 on our machines
one day and Mentor version 8 the next.  A gradual transition is the least
painfull for the customer base (I realize that the quick transition is
easiest for Mentor).

Greg Rocco
MIT Lincoln Lab
Lexington Ma USA
rocco@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: bgupta@maia.caltech.edu (Bhusan Gupta)
Subject: Re: Mentor Graphics (GDT) help!!!!!!
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:30:41 GMT

Well, we have the latest version of GDT here, and it runs under X11R5 just fine.
Moreover, the look and feel has been preserved from the last version. (Now that 
is either good or bad depending on your point of view).

I believe it is version 5.2_1 December 1991.

Bhusan Gupta

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Re: Need for Mentor to support version 7 under Domain/OS 10.4
Reply-To: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:41:36 GMT


I agreee.... We need support for mentor 7.0 at Domain/OS 10.4 !

We are currently in the midst of a huge development project that will
take us into the middle of next year.  We can't realistically switch
to v8.0 until then and I can guarantee that it will be a gradual phase
in.  While mentor doesn't have to provide massive enhancements etc:
They should be required to support their current installed base of 7.0
users as well as 8.0 users.  (this means at sr10.4)

8.0 is different enough from 7.0 that if they don't provide good 7.0/8.0
support and transition, some customers may jump ship to another
EDA solution.
--
Tim Schneider                       Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division
Ph: (602) 436-3078                   PO Box 21111 MS M29D1 Phoenix, AZ 85036
Email: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com  OR  uunet!asuvax!hwcae.honeywell.com!timsc

Honeywell Spokesman... NOT!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: marke@cadence.com (Mark Evangelisto; x6269)
Subject: V8.0 interfaces
Organization: Cadence Design Systems/ACAE Div, Lowell MA
Distribution: comp.sys.mentor
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 03:03:13 GMT

Hello folks,
  Bet you never thought you would ever see a post on this group from a
person who works for Cadence? Well....

  I am the engineer who supports a Cadence tool, M2V (Mentor to
Verilog).  M2V will take a (7.0) Mentor based design and create an 
equivalent Verilog HDL description.  The tool uses DFI to get at the
information in a .erel file.  We now want to provide support in the
8.0 environment.  I have a few questions that I hope I can get
answers to:

1) Is DFI still the right interface to use?  Is there another
   8.0 interface that would perhaps be a better choice?  I
   know about DDP, and that appears to be the 8.0 answer to
   sheetlister/picturelister.  Is there an equivalent animal
   for DFI that scans a viewpoint?

2) If, in fact, DFI is still the appropriate interface, is the
   Pascal version of it supported on platforms other than Apollo?
   For historical reasons, M2V is mostly written in Pascal.  And
   we all know what Apollo did with their version of Pascal :-)
   So, I'm a bit skeptical about it being available on the other
   platforms that v8.0 runs on (I'm particularly interested in
   Sun, but would like to know about any other platforms).

3) For those of you that have tried to port a 7.0 DFI application
   to 8.0, this question is for you.  How smoothly did the port
   go?  What kind of problems did you encounter while porting?
   How long did the port take?

I'd appreciate any information that you can give me on these topics.
Thanks in advance.

Mark Evangelisto

--
Mark Evangelisto                 e-mail: marke@cadence.com
Cadence Design Systems           v-mail: (508) 934-0269
2 Lowell Research Center Drive      It's easier to change the specifications to
Lowell, Mass. 01852-4995               fit the program than vice-versa.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor