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From: kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:15:56 GMT
Reply-To: kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc.

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In article <1992Aug27.072713.27376@etl.go.jp> , 
	ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata) writes 
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Shinji Kono @           kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc,Japan
Newsgroups: fj.followup
From: shinoda@jaist-east.ac.jp (Yoichi Shinoda)
Subject: Re: What is ...
Organization: Japan Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (JAIST)
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:39:32 GMT

In article <OKUYAMA.92Aug31162231@nasu.trl.ibm.co.jp>
	okuyama@trl.ibm.co.jp (Kenichi Okuyama) writes:

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In article <1994@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp>
	mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes:

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From: suehiro@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (SUEHIRO Kenji)
Subject: Re: What is ...
Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:55:03 GMT

In article <2033@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp>,
	mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) says:
> 
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From: logic@mtak.bsj.com (Masami Takikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:55:20 GMT
Reply-To: logic@mtak.bsj.com (Masami Takikawa)
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Takikawa, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.04 March 31, 1990

In article <2000@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp>
	mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes:
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From: mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:56:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep2.094826.18162@jaist-east.ac.jp>
	shinoda@jaist-east.ac.jp (Yoichi Shinoda) writes:

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From: shinoda@jaist-east.ac.jp (Yoichi Shinoda)
Subject: Re: What is ...
Organization: Japan Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (JAIST)
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:25:28 GMT

In article <1999@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp>
	mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes:

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From: e-mura@rinfo.sumiden.co.jp (Ei Murakami)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:21:00 GMT
	<1992Aug27.141556.15376@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp>
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sumitomo Electric Industries, Ltd., Osaka, Japan
In-reply-to: kono@csl.sony.co.jp's message of 27 Aug 92 14:15:56 GMT

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In article <1992Aug27.141556.15376@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp>
kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono) $B$5$s(J writes:

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From: kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Seiji Kaneko)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:37:38
Organization: International Computer Science Institute
	<1992Aug31.130342.24276@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
NNTP-Posting-Host: axiom.icsi.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: mary@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp's message of Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:03:42 GMT

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>>>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:03:42 GMT, mary@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Mary Inaba) said:
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From: mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:32:55 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug31.130342.24276@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
	mary@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Mary Inaba) writes:

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From: mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta)
Newsgroups: fj.followup
Subject: Re: What is ...
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:05:34 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Technology

In article <445@dbsftgw.db-soft.co.jp>
	sakai@db-soft.co.jp (SAKAI Nobuhiro) writes:

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From: suehiro@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (SUEHIRO Kenji)
Subject: Re: What is ...
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:25:16 GMT

In article <2011@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp>,
	mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) says:
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From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: Re: What is ...
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:56:48 GMT

In article <OKUYAMA.92Aug25223544@nasu.trl.ibm.co.jp>
okuyama@trl.ibm.co.jp (Kenichi Okuyama) writes:

In article <1972@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp>
mohta@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes:

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From: JFT%NCCIBM1.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: To study Both Japanese and Chinese?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:38:47 GMT
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Hi,

> Every Chinese syllable can be pronounced 4 different ways depending on the
                                           ^^
  This is Mandarin or Cantonese?  I think Cantonese has 6 tones,
  that is 5 tones and one no-tone for a total of 6.  I think some
  other dialects of Chinese has more than 6 tones, right?

  Talk to y'all later!  :-)


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From: Pua_Yeow_Cheong.xssc@rxsgp.xerox.com
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Subject: Korean-Japanese would be easier??
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:08:52 GMT
Distribution: fj

>......Any ideas ? Has someone out there tried to learn both ? Is it the thing
to do to master written japanese (and chinese as a side effect) ?
>
As an alternative, you may want to try learning Korean and Japanese together. I
have noticed that Koreans tend to pick up Japanese very fast so Korean must be
more similar to Japanese than would Chinese.

>Incidentally, when I was in elementary school in Singapore, a third language
course was offered to students who are proficient in one of the 2 mandatory
languages; French if proficient in English, and Japanese if proficient in
Chinese.
>
Francis, to take up a third language, one has to be good in both his first and
second language(which need not necessarily be CL2). I've got got Indian
classmates who took up Japanese, and their second language was Tamil.

PUA YeowCheong (Pua is my family name)
pyc.xssc@rxsgp.xerox.com
Fuji XEROX
Ebina, Japan(currently, usually Singapore)
From: sdwyer@agsm.ucla.edu
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Subject: Re: Proficiency Tests
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:51:20 GMT
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>
> I know that Eleanor Jorden, the Queen of Japanese Linguistics, has
> written a Japanese Profiency test for use through Educational Testing

> It's done completely with the tape recorder, with multiple choice

> Jorden system.  Very biased !

Sounds like her students couldn't pass the REAL proficiency tests, so
she had to make and sell her own test.  (Sorry, Jorden fans, but I just
could not resist.)

The serious question is whether proficiency requires the use of kanji.
As I understand it, proficiency should include at least a limited degree
of literacy.  On the other hand, verbal skill should be included in any
proficiency test.

I would like to know if any of Jorden's students has ever tried to live
in Japan.

Steve Dwyer
From: JFT%NCCIBM1.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: ** Adds in Asahi Shimbun or other newspapers **
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:25:38 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi everyone,

  I am interested in working in Japan or Vietnam.  I speak some
Japanese (major in college), some Vietnamese (my wife is) and
I have worked in the computer field for 4 years.  I also have
military experience.  I know that Japan is one if not the
largest foreign investor in Vietnam and must have some business
interests there.  Anyone have an idea?

  I was thinking about placing an advertisement in a Japanese
newspaper like Asahi Shimbun, anyone know what the rates are?

  Thanks in advance.

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From: davidjr@MUNDIL.CS.MU.OZ.AU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: QUERY: DOS/V
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:55:25 GMT
Distribution: fj

In sci.lang.japan you write:

>Does anyone know if there are DOS/V programs that let one print out Japanese
>text on 9 pin Epson compatible printers?

>In a related vein, a more general question: I hear there are dozens of
>freeware and shareware programs for DOS/V available on BBSs around Japan.
>Are there Internet FTP sites that carry such programs?

I'm also very interested in DOS/V and would be very grateful to know
what you find out. Perhaps you could post a summary. A list of
FTP sites for DOS/V perhaps? :-)



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From: JFT%NCCIBM1.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: Proficiency Tests
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:49:57 GMT
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Hi Doug,

  The only test I know of that is used by many governmet agencies
(US government) is the DLPT (Defense Language Proficiency Test).
The military uses it as well as many Federal Agencies.  You can
take it by calling your local military recruiter and tell them
you want to join the Army/Air Force/Navy/Marines as a translator
or whatever they call the positions that require a language.

  Talk to you later!

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From: dr@ite.ota.gov
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Proficiency Tests
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:46:59 GMT
Distribution: fj

When I was in Japan, I took the Nihongo Noryoku Shiken (Japanese Ability
Test), which I believe was sponsored by the Ministry of Education. There
were, if I remember correctly, three levels, number three being the lowest
and number one being required for foreigners who wanted to take a regular
course of study at a Japanese university (and therefore considered extremely
difficult for most foreigners except Chinese or Korean speakers, because of
the kanji expertise required). I took level two, which was just a good stuff
advanced-intermediate level. I believe this test is administered at some
American universities; if no one at your university knows about it, another
place to look would be the magazine Nihongo Journal, available at Kinokuniya
bookstore (NY or SF, in this country). I remember they had frequent articles
on how to prepare for it. At the Kinokuniyas in Japan you could also buy
official practice booklets for the test, but they were in the regular
education section, not the foreign book floor. You might also ask a Japanese
consulate; here in Washington there is a Japan-US Culture Center
affiliated with the embassy, tel (202)429-2206. I have a copy of the practice
booklet at home somewhere; let me know if you''d like me to check it for
further info.
From: wdw@MATH2.SMA.USNA.NAVY.MIL
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji and more
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:33:33 GMT
Distribution: fj

In article <9208241504.AA18743@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>  Now I have another question. Is it easy to learn BOTH japanese and
>chinese at the same time ? I was thinking that knowing almost 2,000
>characters would make chinese pretty easy, right ? And these characters
>only have one pronunciation in chinese, right ? And the grammar is very
>simple, right ? And it may even help learning japanese to study chinese
>in parallel...if all the kanjis don't get mixed up in my mind :-)
>  Any ideas ? Has someone out there tried to learn both ? Is it the thing
>to do to master written japanese (and chinese as a side effect) ?

I have done this, studying both Japanese and Chinese for the last fifteen
years or so.  My knowledge of Japanese has always been superior to that of
Chinese.  There is no doubt that familiarity with Japanese is a great asset
in trying to learn Chinese.  However, you should not expect Chinese to come
merely as a side effect of learning Japanese.  The following points come to
mind:

1.  Chinese pronunciation is quite different from Japanese, and I think
generally more difficult for native English speakers.  However, given
the limited range of syllables appearing in Chinese, you can master this
at the beginning and not worry about it thereafter.

2.  Many kanji can appear in three different forms (and occasionally more):
one traditional form, still used in Taiwan, a simplified form used in Japan,
and another simplified form used in mainland China.

3.  The modern Chinese pronunciation of a character and the Japanese `On'
pronunciation often appear at first glance to be completely unrelated.
For example, the `kyo' of `Tokyo' is pronounced `jing' in Chinese. However,
there are underlying regularities which facilitate learning the Chinese
pronunciation.

4.  Chinese word usage is often different from that in Japan.  For example,
the characters for `kisha' ((steam) train) in Japanese are used in China
to mean `automobile'.

5.  Chinese grammar, while not terribly difficult, is not trivial to learn
either.  There are some similarities of spirit between the two languages.
For example, neither language uses relative pronouns.

Good luck.
From: sielmann@DKRZ-HAMBURG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: QUERY: DOS/V
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:31:57 GMT
Distribution: fj

I'm sorry to say that you misunderstood the peoples questions.
What they meant was that they were looking for a program running under
DOS/V (not DOS/V itself !!).
I just know about one FTP-site distributing a program named MOKE at
utsun.s-u-tokyo.ac.jp (133.11.11.11). It contains also a 24-pin NEC
driver for kanjiis.Certainly this driver can be modified for 9-pin-printers.
the directory is ./fj/moke.
This software-pacckage is packed with pkzip and can be unpacked with pkunzip or
 similar ones.
Good luck for everybody looking for that.

Frank Sielmann
University of Hamburg
Meteorological Institute
Bundesstrasse 55
2000 Hmaburg 13
Germany