HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TCINT018@ysub.ysu.edu (Vincent M. Tkac (INT))
Subject: Looking for a newsgroup...?
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:48:06 GMT

I am looking for information on the ISDN standard and am unsure as to where
I should post.  Could someone please give me a pointer??
 
Thanks......
 
Vincent Tkac
tcint018@ysub.ysu.edu
From: sasrdt@shewhart.unx.sas.com (Randall D. Tobias)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD:  comp.compression.theory
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:04:33 GMT
Organization: (none)
Originator: sasrdt@shewhart.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 937

In article <shl7bINNvu@news.UU.NET>, ross@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Ross Williams) writes:
|> CALL FOR DISCUSSION: COMP.COMPRESSION.THEORY
|> ============================================
|> It is proposed that a new newsgroup be created:
|>
|>    Name    : comp.compression.theory
|>    Charter : Discussions about data compression algorithms.
|>    Status  : Unmoderated.

I don't really know what the format for this sort of thing is, but I
whole-heartedly agree that this group is needed, for exactly those
reasons outlined in the original.  Perhaps we could even think of
splitting comp.compression into

   comp.compression.theory
   comp.compression.programs

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 ... just my $(-exp(2*sqrt(-1)*arcos(0))/(((2**(2 + 1)) - 1)**2 + 1)).
Xref: sparky news.groups:10404 rec.arts.sf.movies:3334 rec.arts.comics:13338
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:14:47 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

You can put /vs/j in your kill files.
(I think that works)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.manga...etc.....
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:57:59 GMT

In article <cbsj29n@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>No, they aren't.  In colloquial English usage, "book" refers to something
>a little more permanent than the form that western comic magazines usually
>take.  "Comic book" is a slang term that has its origins in the fact that
>the earliest comic books were bound editions of previously-published
>newspaper comics, and comics fans will often refer to particular titles as
>"books" (as in: "I read all the Marvel books" or "Did the books come in
>this week?") but if you ask someone not involved with comics to get you
>"that book off the kitchen table", 99 times out of a hundred they're going
>to give you the copy of THE STAND they find there instead of the issue of
>SPIDER-MAN right next to it. 

I can guarantee that if I had a table with a comic and a manga on it, and
asked someone to get me one, they'd get the comic.  And if I had only the
manga, they'd likely come back to me saying I must have left the comic
somewhere else.

>(I don't want people to take this as a nasty comment, really, but I have to
>wonder how many of the people who are arguing for rec.arts.manga are
>non-native speakers of English who aren't interpreting words like "comics",
>"manga", and "anime" in the same way that most native speakers would.)

I am a native English speaker.
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From: forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (scott.forbes)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: I thought "manga" was a tropical fruit
Summary: And I think "rec.arts.comics.manga" is the better choice
Keywords: fresh perspective
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:53:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

I don't know what a "manga" is.

If a newsgroup named "rec.arts.manga" were created, I wouldn't have the
slightest idea what went in it.  I'd probably post questions about kiwi fruit.
Or assume it's some strange dance that I've never heard about.

The name assumes that you already know what "manga" means, and that it needs
no further explanation.  This is a bad assumption, for most.

...If a newsgroup named "rec.arts.comics.manga" were created, I would assume
that "manga" were a type of comics.  I wouldn't know it was Japanese, but I'd
at least have _o_n_e clue about the purpose of the group.  If I were
interested in comics, but know nothing about "manga", I might even be tempted
to read the group in order to find out more about "manga", whatever it is.

As it is, I don't know "rec.arts.manga" from rec.arts.wobegon.  Can I ask that
the group be named "rec.arts.comics.manga"?

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From: mann@intacc.uucp (Jeff Mann)
Subject: Re: RFD:  rec.music.enya
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 23:52:04 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access Artists' Centre Toronto

Need I say the obvious -- who the hell is Enya, and why does she rate
her own newsgroup? I don't have a problem with newsgroups named after
bands, eg. I can go along with rec.music.beatles. But if everyone starts
making newsgroups for their latest favourite band, there'll be a thousand new
groups within days. Save your time and effort and drop the idea, please.

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:27:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

> >    Until you can show why this group shouldn't be part of the
> >rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy, I don't think it will pass.

>We already have, repeatedly.   If it fails, BTW, I'll be crossposting
>all my alt.manga posts (incl. long translations and synopses) into
>rec.arts.comics, to increase propagation.  I mean, manga are just comics,
>right?

    Fine. I have no problem with that. But I don't see what it has to do
with the naming of the group. And I'm pretty sure that I never said
manga were just comics. I did say that some people will see it that way,
but that isn't the same thing. Personally I like manga, although I
really have't "read" anything other than American translations of
popular manga, but the art style is the same and I really like that. I
would also like to see it get a mainstream discussion group. But
Japanese manga are a type of comic book (or graphical novel, if you
will) and any mainstream group should belong to the comic sub-hierarchy,
because it already exists. if there were no sub-hierarchy, then this
wouldn't really be an issue, but there is, and this is where this group
should go, IMHO.

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: The rec.arts.{comics.}manga wars continue
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:09:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Apr13.220920.14674
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.COM (Jun Kim) writes:

>In article <-+sjr1@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>>I've bunched together a handful of replies here to save people time.
>>
>[excerpts delted]

>I know that some of you might be interested in this discussion, and might
>not have the time to read news.groups.  But please do not read summaries
>of the discussion.  I'm not doubting the integrity of Lazlo Nibble, but
>he is defending one side vs the other, and I'm sure inevitably a biased
>point of view will arise from this.  

    This is certainly possible, but I would like to think that Lazlo
could be objective in his summary.

>So, if you feel this is an important issue, please read the ongoings
>on news.groups.  If you do this, we all welcome your vote.

    Actually, there are no conditions that can be levied on a persons
vote. Every single person who has a computer account that can send a
vote to the vote taker gets a vote. That is the way things work here,
and you can rest assured then the majority of the votes received for
this group will be by people who have not taken part in or even seen
this discussion.

>One thing that should be avoided is a flame war in r.a.comics about
>topics which belong in news.groups, so maybe these types of posts
>should be discouraged in r.a.comics also.  If things need to be discussed,
>I feel the proper forum is news.groups.

    Good feeling, especially since it follows the Guidelines. Once the
RFD has been posted to news.annouce.newgroups all relevant discussion
happens on news.groups, and any protracted discussion on another group
can be seen as grounds for invalidation.

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From: mdl@tx.cypress.com (J. Matt Landrum)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.cadence
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:51:23 GMT
	<BJORN.B.LARSEN.92Apr1080932@engels.delab.sintef.no>
	<Apr.6.19.13.54.1992.18222@pilot.njin.net>
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
In-reply-to: limonce@pilot.njin.net's message of 6 Apr 92 23:13:54 GMT

I think this group will see sufficient traffic.
I don't care what the name is.
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Xref: sparky news.groups:10262 rec.arts.sf.movies:3288 rec.arts.comics:13095
From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:21:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.14APR199209210734
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.050925.8490@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu 
     (Francis A. Uy) writes...

>In a previous article, forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (scott.forbes) says:

>>This is a formal Request For Discussion, proposing the creation of an
>>unmoderated newsgroup: alt.who-would-win

I didn't know we could do RFDs for alt. groups in news.groups.  I got the
impression that Mr. Lawrence eschewed "the morass of alt.*."  :-)

>Here on rec.arts.comics we call it "Hoo'd Win".
> I think.  The apostrophe might be wrong.

Close.  Ho'od Win [tm].

>Makes sense as a group.  But would enough people use it?

I doubt it.  Currently, the Ho'od Win [tm] Mailing List has only between 
15 and 20 subscribers, and precious little traffic.  But a card of Ho'od
Win [tm] matches has just been completed and will soon be posted.

RG
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.comics.manga is anomalous and misleading.
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:50:22 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <44614@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>     I would suggest you to check in the dictionary.  ONLY in the
>U.S. or countries that used "American English" are these books 
>called *comics*.  Also, I think the comparasion should be more like
>"Mangas are comics just like boxing is to Judo." (I hope you get it.)

Funny, in downtown London, England (do they use "American English"?  They
always seem to use "British English" when I visit there) there is (or was;
it's been a while) a store called "Comic Showcase".  And what do you
think that they sell?  Hint:  I bought a substantial chunk of my Iron Man
and X-Men collections there (plus back issues of Warrior magazine and some
other good stuff).

As far as I can tell, "comics" is synonymous with "graphic storytelling"
these days (well, distinguished from animation in that it doesn't move,
but I've heard the term "comics" applied to animation as well, actually),
and, also as far as I can tell, mangas fit the bill.

But then, I've never been quite sure what a manga is.  Maybe there are ones
that aren't graphic storytelling.  The only way I've been able to
distinguish them from "non-manga" comics is that they come from Japan or
attempt to closely emulate the style that Japanese manga artists use.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.manga...etc.....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:36:10 GMT

In article <rdippold.702858042@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>
>anime.  However if you have a question on Kimagure Orange Road, you
>ask for it on the group that deals with anime specifically, even

Not really, you can ask it on a group dealing with manga, depending on
what kind of question you have :-) Another piece of information that 
how close anime and manga can often be.

>Manga are comics, and what you're advocating is a specific group for
>manga.  I wouldn't be adverse to a rec.arts.comics.books to take care
>of what's in rec.arts.comics at the moments, but that's another group.

Many are saying rec.arts.comics can be or will be changed in this way or
that way and it would be more desirable then..., but I have yet to see 
somebody with the guts to do that.

Actually as I came to rec.arts.comics, the Title header guideline doesn't
help much in my screening of articles unfortunately.

Patrick
From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA ( Is a new CFV really needed ?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:02:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>Think about it, we are talking about possible removal of such a group.
>The group may or may not pass again. 

Careful!  Your hidden agenda is showing!

This is the WHOLE POINT of demanding a re-vote -- there is a significant
possibility that the group would not have passed the *first* time had
the vote-taker not behaved in the way that they did.  


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jasonp@cunix4.prime.com (Jason R. Pascucci)
Subject: RGM Split was Re: Um, okay, I did it.
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc./Framingham, Ma
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:02:38 GMT

I still haven't seen any negative commentary about the 
proposed split I have been made commentary on to news.groups,
where was just reiterated in the very near <last night> past. So?

Perhaps MUD.rpgtech, or something, could very well
encompass both diku and lp, and leave the regular
MUD.tech for clients and tiny*<and moo and unter> 
discussions.

So, another proposal:

Rec.MUD.announce: Unmoderated. See other commentary. Opening, closing,
                  official info
Rec.MUD.rpgtech: LP and diku, and other D&D-type server stuff

rec.mud.tech: Clients and tiny and moo and unter and etc....

rec.mud.vr: Discussions from a virtual reality standpoint. 

and, no rec.mud group, see previous commentary. 

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA (Is a new CFV really needed ?)
Lines: 12
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:51:28 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
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Distribution: usa
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu

alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>> Free clue: Try the usa.* hierarchy, then, instead of creating the group
>> in the Big Seven.

>There is no USA.* hierarchy as yet. Perhaps there should be one ?

Ah, but there is. It just has pretty low propagation right now.
Join the fun -- add usa.config to your system. Only, don't expect to
see any posts for a bit. Technical problems, you know.
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Apr12.192940.4146
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

I babbled:

>>ie: (to quote an already posted example)
>>rec.honda is a dumb idea. rec.autos.honda makes sense. Does this say that
>>Honda's are inferior to all other cars? No, it says that enough people
>>want to discuss hondas and they want a place to do it apart from
>>rec.autos.
>>

In <ku92rnINNevn@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.COM (Jun Kim)
writes:
>Sorry for saying this for the third time:
>The analogy is more like "cars" vs "autos".  If it were "hondas" vs "autos",
>we would not be having this discussion.

Well... perhaps you see it as cars vs autos but I don't. My only knowledge
about manga comes from the description in the charter. The charter says
that manga are Japanese comics. So you opinion is nice, but it too
conflicts with the proposed charter for the mis-names rec.arts.manga.

I also babbled:
>>Get a grip and stop assuming that a practical suggestion is an insult to
>>your ego.

>I don't believe that defending what you believe to be true is necessarily
>a defense of one's ego.  "Suggestion" is one thing; threats (to vote
>down something) is another.  Please continue suggesting.  The discussion
>might get heated but it should be interesting.  But there's no need
>to threaten, since that will surely bring up ill feelings.

Several manga supporters are taking this discussion as an affront to their
ego. They view the original suggestion that the rec.arts.comics hierarchy
was a more appropriate location for a manga group as some sort of attempt
at supression. As a result we have been treated to charged phrases
accusing people of trying to force manga into a 'sub set of western comics'
etc etc.

I personally have made no threats. I have only stated how I would vote (and
how I think others might vote) if the current version of the charter were
voted on right now.

If you don't like my opinion or care about my vote, feel free to ignore
me. Your kill file is only a few commands away. My ego has better things
to be worried about than the net. Really.

-Geoff
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From: ipc@otter.hpl.hp.com (Ian Crighton)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:42:39 GMT
Subject: Re: creation of eunet.aviation
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: news.groups

Re: Discussion on the creation of eunet.aviation.

I give a big "yes" to this idea, mainly because of the lack of 
representation of the views of microlight/ultralight pilots in
rec.aviation. 

In my view, this situation seems to have arisen because of the generally 
higher cost of personal aviation in Europe. Thus a higher proportion of 
people with network access and aviation interest in Europe are likely to 
be flying microlights rather than Group A (General Aviation) machines,
compared to the US.

I have never been involved in the ultralight scene in the US, but the
few postings that I have seen in rec.aviation seem to indicate that it
is less well regulated than in the UK. Would it be fair to say that US
GA flyers "look down" on their ultralight counterparts? In my limited
UK experience of 3-axis microlighting, pilots are more likely to be
excellent airmen rather than back-country hedge-hoppers.

Another good reason for having a seperate European group is the marked
difference in reguations between ultralights in the US and microlights in
the UK.

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Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:23:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In <1992Apr13.220740.3301@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>In article <a_rubin.703186410@dn66>, a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:
>> 
>> C) The vote was invalid; it is considered as if it never occured.
>> 

>If we consider that the vote never occured,
>please explain to me: On what basis are the 48 % sites carrying SCIA ?

Because somebody sent out a newgroup, what other basis is needed?
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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44449
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


     Lets just put it this way.  I have ordered mangas (comics) many
times (actually only five in large volumes), and have noticed that
the "English prinitng" on many of the flyers said "comics" (that was
referring to the mangas.  On the other hand, whenever I order, I 
usually use the term comics (simply because I am used to it), and
my distributor usually have problem understanding (or relating)
the 'comics' with 'mangas.'  Until I told them that I was referring
to foreign 'MANGAS'.  Just a little information.

                                                   -TKH '92
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:45:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44516
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr8.142714.15089@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>
>Japanese manga are a type of comic book (or graphical novel, if you
>will) and any mainstream group should belong to the comic sub-hierarchy,


     Unfortunately, that is what you see here.  I could recall seeing
mangas in the same format, etc.. as regular any marvel, CD, etc... 
When I was still in Asia a long time ago.  

                                                         -TKH '92 
Newsgroups: news.groups,misc.jobs.misc