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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: RE: bbong-jjak
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:41:17 GMT

In article <21DEC92.13255318@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, jin123s@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
> What the heck is bbong-jjak?

I feel as if I am obliged to educate you poor folks who do not know what 
bbong-jjak is.  Here is my definition (?) of it:

As far as I know, bj started during the Japanese Occupation of Korea.  bj is
a type of music that is frequntly sung at Sool-Jib (I wanted to say bar, but
somehow it doesn't seem right, if you know what I mean).  It is usually about
those sappy love stories we talked about before. I was told that there were
some heated discussions about it being Japanese and thus shouldn't be so 
dearly loved. But it is already such bid part of Korean culture I doubt it 
will ever die away. If you have a chance to 
visit Korea and happen to pass by a street where there are a lot of Sool-Jib's
then you are bound to hear some people singing their hearts out usually 
hammered.  Try hanging out in front of colleges or something.  It is a good
place to start.  One thing, though, bbong-jjak is never formally taught but
you should know at least a couple of them if you'd like to hang out with the
locals.

Now, you know!

Boy, I can use one of them night outs just about now. :)  Maybe James will 
want to join me so I can teach him a few of bbong-jjak's, how 'bout it?
-- 
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Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Please note this account may be disconnected in the
                         new year.  Direct all mails to the next one if so.)
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: A Gloomy Prospect of the Aftermath of the Election
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:19:23 GMT


Dear SangJin Lee

first of all, i want to say i agree with most of what you said.
yes, it is possible and that is what JJAMIN (uups again MINJJA) has
been dreaming of.
before discuss how they will try to do it and so how we can prevent it,
i want to comment about Park ChanJong.
you said young memebers in MINJOO might join CJPark.
no way.
who is he?
he started his political carrier as a GONG-WHA-party memeber in 70's.
and he participated as a member of making-law-commitee (IB-BEOB-commitee)
when Chun grab the power in 1980.
of course he regret it all and apologize it. ok let's accept it. 

ok, let's think what kind of leader our country need?
we need the leader who knows the problems and solutions of our country
AND who can and will UNITE all people together.
in short, we need a leader who has brain and heart.
we all know what kind of behavour CJPark showed when he worked
with Lee Chul, Rho MooHyun, Lee BooYoung in Lee KeeTaek's MINJOO.
he just wanted to be the head. 
that is why he didn't join the unified MINJOO and became a candidate himself.
he is not the kind of guy to unite people and work together.
CJPark might have brain (better than YS) but no heart.
in fact, he is not even smarter at all than any young member in MINJOO.

it's been little too long for him
i just wanted to say that from now on, it is not worth mentioning his
name as a possibility any more.

i think Lee BooYoung deserves our steady attentions.
when many people for democracy were blaming each other after 87's failure,
Lee BooYoung was one of guys who put them togther and 
he was one of guys who acheive the merge of MINJOO and PYUNGMIN into
unified MINJOO.
he is one of a few guys who can and will unite people.

since it is too long already, i will just stop here for now.
but i think all memebers in MINJOO are wise enough to work it through
together.
and to prevent MINJJA from doing what they want to do
we should have Local-governement election soon and keep
the present national assembly election law.

sincerely
Seunghun Lee (e-mail: shl@holger.pha.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 13:54:51 GMT

In article <85844@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>     As far as I remember, still even all alternatives proposed 
>     allowed the authority of government regarding S-N issues.   
>

but they all agree that the laws must be more specific
to prevent it from being abused.

>     I wintnessed the decay of Yoo-Sin and birth of that damn Chun's junta.
>     But that does not matter in this thread.

yes it does matter.
so you DIDN'T respect Yoo-Sin,
HOW DARE YOU! 

>
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Christmas Eve in Seoul (Little bit long!)
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:53:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

ywlee@cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee) writes:
| The more I read Hyunsuk's (Ooops, Heja's) articles, the more I find 
| his talent in writing. His imagination is great... I guess this guy
| can work for James to write lyrics although I do not know huynsuk
| is cynical enough to qualify James' standard. ;-)

At last, a true supporter worthy of all available funds frantically
cashed by James!  Time for S.C.K. ManNyeonHwe!  

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: going for the spice high
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:52:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Heard on NationalPublicRadio this morning

Spice causes the sensation of "fire" in the tounge
which the brian interprets as "injury" and causes the
body to react as if injured by sweating and fever and runny nose
incr. heartbeat.

Also the body is triggered to start healing itself which includes
chemicals to increase self-maintenance and chemicals to
"dull the pain" all over the body. A kind of self-intoxication.

You know, ... sometimes I do feel a "buzz" after eating
four jalopen~os in a row.

- jon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sophia@sophia.TTI.COM 
Subject: Korean Slaves 
Reply-To: sophia@sophia.TTI.COM
Organization: Citicorp 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:54:11 GMT

In the middle of a conversation with my coworker about the similarity
between Koreans and Italians, he mentioned that during his visit to
Italy he stopped at a village that claims to be of Korean descent.
Although they no longer carry Korean looks, they had pictures and
ancient clothes, etc. that prove that their ancestors came from Korea.
It seems that some hundreds of years ago, Koreans that were captured
during a war with Japan were sold as slaves in this particular
providence of Italy and settled down there for several hundred years. 

Can anybody clarify me what century or war this could have been? 

While I was in Mexico, I met quite a lot Koreans that were also
descendants of Korean slaves. These people though, were only 3rd or 4th
generations. Their grandparents and great-grandparents were sold as
slaves during Japanese colony in the early 1900's. These people still
carried Korean features and a lot of Korean customs but they no longer
considered themselves Koreans. Most of them were married with Mexicans
or already only 1/2 or 1/4 Koreans and even 1/8 Koreans. I don't think
it's only Mexico but there should be quite few Koreans sold out as
slaves all over the world during and before the Japanese colony. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:38:52 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>>>   Here I want to remind you that it was  DJ and CY who supported 
>>>>   the parliamentary system during the election. It was YS who refused that
>>>>   idea 
>>>
>>>This is not true. Here are their officail responses in 'Kwanhun Club'.
>>>	
>>>	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
>>>                                complex national issues.)
>>>	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
>>>	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
>>>	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.
>>>

>        Even so, do you think DJ's remark has any literal meaning?
>        In a democratic society, if poeple want (I mean if majority agree),
>        they can do anything. So what did DJ mean?

Yes, you are right. This is the BASIC rule in a democratic society.
According to a poll, only 5% people objected 'Kumyung Silmyongje', but
Prez. Roh and Minja Government banned it to respect 5% people's opinion.
Korea has been suffered too much by whom don't know this simple rule.
We need a prez who knows this simple rule.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:37:17 GMT


>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:

>>O.K. I don't have any problems with putting those people in the jail (I assume
>>they were judged properly by law). O.K. here's a question.
>>Prez. Roh and his Minja government broke the law on 'Jibang Jachije'.
>>Shouldn't they be in the jail? What's your opinion on that?
>>Just for my curiosity.
>
>        Do you think I insisted to enforce "normal" laws to  particular
>        group of people? I wasn't.  In addition, not punishing one party does
>        not give the excuse of other parties' violation legally.
>        I do not like your example. For the role of devil advocate, I want to
>        point out your logical weakness in this example.
>        First of all, legally, president has previlege of not being prosecuted
>        for what he did during his tenure except for some critical crimes.
>        Secondly, "Ji-bang ja chie" law does not have any punishment article.
>        Third, MinJa, strictly legally was not the authority to execute that
>        law. It is not the party but the government to execute laws written by
>        national assembly. In addition, I hope you can rememeber Minjoo blocked
>        the first meeting of the assembly when the ruling party wanted to mend 
>        that law?   I am not saying I am supporting the ruling party or 
>        government's bleach but am just pointing out the "LOGIC" in your
>        example.     I hope your curiosity is fufilled. 


Prez. is above the law??? Great!!!! I didn't know that. 
Was it why prez. Roh and his Minja Government BROKE the law?
Nice president and nice government! 
I didn't know the law system very much, but I heard that 
not observing that law is a violation of Korean constitution.
Actually, somebody sued prez. Roh and his Minja government and
somehow the court refused to judge by saying 'this is a political
problem'. If breaking 'Jibang Jachi' law can be president's previlege,
why didn't the court simply say it?  Does anybody know this?

But one thing is clear is, if a prez break a law, congress has 
the right to kick out the prez (Tanhaek Sochu), but Korean congress couldn't
because Minja, who is the 'absolute majority' actually supported
prez. Roh breaking the law. Yes, I think I'm living in a great country.  

Minja does not authority to execute the law, but Minja was the prez. Roh's side
on breaking the law and tried to justified why he had to break the law.
Remember, Prez. Roh and his Minja government were supposed to held
two elections BEFORE the end of JUNE.
Instead of observing the law, what they did was trying to 
change the law with their 'absolute majority' before the end of June.
That's why Democratic party tried to block it. 
Now you are blaming Democratic party not changing the law before the end of 
June, and by not changing the law, let prez. Roh and his Minja government 
breake the law.
Very clean and Nice LOGIC! I admit it you have a supurior LOGIC.
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: Another answer
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:43:48 GMT

In article <85888@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>     In addition, this unfair practice does not 
>     give any excuse for not obeying laws.  
>
>

let me give an example.
you might know that in Japan, all foreigners should take a fingerprint
regularly no matter if he was born in japan or not.
and one japanese korean minister refused to do it
since he thought the law is simply wrong.
i.e, he disobeyed the law.
what do think about his act?
From: hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Rachael H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Looking for old friends (Please help!)
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:12:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello everybody!

As a proud 36th year graduate of JungShin YeoGo BuSok TakASo (Nursery
School of Mental Women's High School), I am desperately searching for
my closest EonNi & OBba graduates.  E-mail address would be great,
too.  Please help!


                                
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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: parliamentary System
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:55:54 GMT

In article <85837@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>      Im and Moon were charged for violating "Security laws and anti-
>      communism activities something like that"?  Do you believe that at that
>      time, goverment maintained those laws against poeple's will?
>      When they entered North Korea, didn't they expect the consequences?
>      I think they did.

i see, then what about other guys who entered NK?
like Chung JooYoung, Chung WonSik, Kim WooJung?

> 
>      I do hate those outdate laws. 

good, here you agree that those laws are out-of-date.
Im and priest Moon must agree with you on it too.
that may be why they did it.

and as the educated, don't you think we should speak out what is right
or wrong even when majority believe the other way.

>	However, my personal preference has nothing
>      to do with social concensus. Legal system is the result of majority
>      agreement especially after mass demonstration in 1987.

no. before three party's merge into MINJJA,
four parties in National Assembly agree to change those laws
but after the MINJJA appeared, they changed their mind.
who can blame them when people just forget what they promised.

>
>      However, it is clearly not what I supported for and what I wanted to live
>      for when I was a college student.   I can not guess your age. But
>      I still clearly remeber my endless anger and desparate when we were under     "YooSin."   I miss the student movement of that time.  
>

yes, i thought you must have been in college before 80s 
I am sorry if my previous reply had hurt your feeling.

i just hope you think little more carefully 
what our country needs economically and politically
when china and other south asian countries grow at tremendous speed
while our country is so miserably divided and hurt each other.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: bkpark@camars.kaist.ac.kr (Bae-kyong Park)
Subject: Re: YS IS NEW PREZ
Organization: Center for Artificial Intelligence Research, KAIST.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 05:11:16 GMT

I think, DJ & YS, both are enoughly qualified for new president.
They have more than 30 years of political career in contrast to 
previous presidents were none or little of political career.

This election attracted special interest from all nation because
it seemed to be the end of the long fight between the two. During
the compaign they did their best. Everyone could find out the distinction
between their characters or styles.

DJ was more elaborate and careful on his speech and every behaviors. 
His election pledges were seemed more realistic. But YS had a popular
apperence and seemed to have a plain character. He made much mistakes
but voters might think YS is more reliable. Furthermore YS had much
broader polotical orgrnizations. These are the why for the election
result that I think.



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|                        |  Park Bae-kyung            |
|     happy newyear      |  CS Dept. KAIST            |
|                        |  bkpark@camars.kaist.ac.kr |
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From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: TO: S. W. KIOM (Re: To Dongchul Lee)
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:14:41 GMT


Sorry for other netters. If you are not Mr. S.W. Kim, please disregard message.


In article <1992Dec22.082630.26956@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
> Subject: To Dongchul Lee
> .....

Is this your private message to Mr. Dongchul Lee?

I wonder what kind of etiquette you have.

Please, keep the original subject unless the subject needs to be changed.

I don't have any interest in your personal mails.

Han
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Drinking and writing manners
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:07:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.192259.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>Now, now, I know you have to get some pleasure from something but from that?
>You must be quite pathetic.  

As you noted later, it has no effect on drinkers.  You are doing the same
thing I am doing when you refuse to sniff cocain.  You are prouldy making
your choice regardless of the people involved. (that's how I developed
immunity from peer pressure) There is nothing pathetic about it.  In fact,
those creatures who encourage the others to drink are very patheic.

>If you need to get a kick out of something like that, I
>have got a suggestion for you, there, "Bal-DDak-GO-Jam-Ina-Ja-Ra" !

I have a few immediately usable suggestions for you as well.  But I would
rather stay at my level, thank you.  One thing I could suggest in public is
to stay sober when you write in public.  And learn some manners even when
you are drunk.

>Well, if you thought you are ruining the mood of the people you hang out by
>"refusing" to drink, you were not.

Then everyone is happy.  The end of the argument.

>  Or at least I never get my mood spoiled
>by a rotten "non-drinker-and-proud-of-it" anyway.

Why do you call those people who have no effect on you "rotten"?  What do
you call those guys who vomit on the street?  "Friends", I guess.

>Now, I don't claim to be a genius or anything but last time I checked I was
>able to drink and talk at the same time to my close friends.  Heck, I seem to
>do better of each when they are done at the same time.  Maybe you should try
>it.

I encourage you to keep improving.  Always try larger dose every time.  I
shall continue to enhance my life style as well.

>That is very good, James, now can you drink and spin on your head at the same
>time? :)

Again, I have a few questions for you as well.  But, again, I shall stay at
my own level.  But serisouly, write when you are sober.  I would like to
believe that Henry Chon that I have been communicating with is better than
your last posting.

>Henry E Chon, "Give me a 26 ouncer of Glenfiddich and some of them long thick
>               cigars and I will be fine, thank you, James"

James Choi, "sniff this powder as well, Henry."
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Christmas Eve in Seoul (Little bit long!)
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:58:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

dongsoo@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
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HeJa Nuna, please don't take his posting to heart.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: re: Parliamentary System
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:49:52 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>             
>      For me, current labor-related laws and demonstration-related laws were
>      passed by "normal" nation assembly. Majority of so-called "political
>      prisoners" violated those laws. (sory it sounds like Roh's remarks, 

O.K. I don't have any problems with putting those people in the jail (I assume
they were judged properly by law). O.K. here's a question.
Prez. Roh and his Minja government broke the law on 'Jibang Jachije'.
Shouldn't they be in the jail? What's your opinion on that?
Just for my curiosity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.hangul group ...
In-reply-to: nangu@sm.sony.co.jp's message of 8 Dec 92 10:07:21 GMT
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
	<1992Dec7.152419.17672@news.acns.nwu.edu>
	<1992Dec7.160229.11839@tc.cornell.edu>
	<1992Dec8.030032.411@news.acns.nwu.edu>
	<NANGU.92Dec8190721@kyon3.sm.sony.co.jp>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:16:48 GMT

In article <NANGU.92Dec8190721@kyon3.sm.sony.co.jp> nangu@sm.sony.co.jp (Kyung Namgoong) writes:

   When sends multibyte code to network, please use iso-2022 format.
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We use 8-bit EUC code in han.* newsgroups and 8-bit news is actually a hot
potato in comp.std.internat newsgroup.

--
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From: mahadeva@chimi.engr.ucdavis.edu (Vimalan Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: teaching materials for korean
Date: 28 Dec 1992 15:00:06 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I am interested in finding out teaching materials for the Korean language.
Could anyone send me references or direct me to an appropriate source?  I am
particularly interested in books, audio cassettes, etc. geared for the English
speaker.

Vim

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