From: kuch@reed.edu (Hatemonger Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:45:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec13.184513.11635
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Dec13.061400.28016@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.025825.19202@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
>>(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>
>>>2) Wow, that WB 2.0 looks AWFUL.  Granted, I haven't actually used it, but
>>>from the screen shot, it looks SO primitive!  I guess it is the 4 colors only
>>>that does it.  Really, it hardly looks any better than the mouse-interface 
>>>for MSDOS 5.0's EDIT.COM.  Or QBasic. You get the picture.  Really, you guys
>>>may claim Windows and OS/2 looks to flashy/blocky/clumsy, but WB2.0 looks
>>>primitive as hell!
>>
>>Let's be fair: what screen shot are you referring to? Many of the images are
>>either software which does not take advantage of 2.0 (1.3 hold-outs),
>>aren't style-guide compliant, or are taken from low-resolution displays.
>>
>>In fact, in the January issue, you'd have a hard time coming up with anything
>>that didn't fit into the above categories. Unfortunately, most of us feel
>>the same way you do.
>
>I am not too postive.  The Final Copy II shots looked adeqate, I suppose, mostly
>because you didn't see too much of the Workbench.  Mostly, the scrollbars
>looked primitive, the scroll button was SO basic.  The sizing button on the
>top right, while I not understand them right off from jsut look at them (
>which I should have done, BTW) looked too big.  Gosh, Amigans bash Windows
>for BIG BLOCKY buttons?! Sheesh!

Dan... How many people, if they've never used Windows before, could sit down
in front of a Windows screen and know immediately (perhaps by divine 
inspiration) what the little arrow buttons on the upper right of a Windows
window are for?  Those aren't any more or less non-intuitive than any of the
Windows gadgets.  How about the one in the upper left, which, despite the 
precedent of the Mac and about three other GUIs still isn't a basic close box?
Your comments on not being able to understand the UI controls "right off from
just the look at them" are as moronic as most of your stuff.  "Ooooh, ahhhh,
look, a little up and down arrow... why the function of that is determined
by the bijective mapping from the set of basically arbitrary UI gadgets to
the set of basic UI operations."  Get with it, putz.
>
>There doesn't seem to be any commonality among windows.  In Windows, there
>is always the command-button thingee in the top left, and the super-inuitive
>max/min buttons on the top right.  The scrollbars in Windows look more
>professional, IMO.


OK... the super-intuitive buttons... I should have finished reading this
before replying...  anybody out there want to take an honest poll on what 
fraction of schmucks who've never used a GUI before will be able to decode
the purpose of those"super-intuitive" buttons?
>
>That, and those awful 4 colors!  Sheesh!  You Amigans REALLY don't know what
>you're missing with 4 colors.  Going back to a 4 color mode
>once used t 16 or more colors should be impossible, IMO.  Really, those WB
>screens looked like so much CGA.  Ack.
>

Then switch the preferences tool to 16 and shut the fuck up.  Please.

>And the Workbench is suppose to be SO SOO GREAT!?  Ha!

And Dan Stephenson isn't an acne-faced adolescent with a bad case of 
computer insecurity, compounded by massive ignorance and minor 
mental retardation?  Ha!

Really, Dan... you're generally less informed than Marc Barrett.  But you do
share the common trait with him that most of your posts are pointless and
inflammatory by design.  Two hints:

	a) Go learn something.  Try programming some machines for a start.

	b) Post something that contains information and isn't loaded with
           your pretentious, condescending shit.
>
>
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  


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