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From: u0a38@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (LJ Barton)
Subject: Re: Some girls...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:08:42 WET
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HIGHT THERE...
	      In message <1992Nov20.191435.11085@epas.toronto.edu>
Bernie Charlton writes:

>To the person making the top10 goth album list: perhaps some Skinny Puppy
>on the list would help round it out... Maybe they don't fit everyone's
>exact definition of Goth, but still...

   They most certainly do NOT fit anyone's definition of gothic...SP are

                              INDUSTRIAL !!!

   Hey...I LIKE industrial, but it sure ain't gothic and shouldn't be on
a gothic list...

   If you want to include both kinds in one list then use the German
term 'darkwave'.

   Just an opinion.

		   Cheers,
			  Lol
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From: shipley@merde.tfs.com (Pete Shipley)
Subject: Re: Some Girls...
Organization: Processed People for a Processed America
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:03:21 GMT



>In article <1992Nov20.191435.11085@epas.toronto.edu> bernie@tagsun.med.utoronto.ca (Bernie Charlton) writes:
>
>       I spent the summer in the USA, and I was completely stymied in my
>   attempts at buying the SoM compilation _Some Girls Wander By Mistake_.
>   The people at Strawberries (big chain, flagship in Boston?) had never
>   heard of it, and neither had their computers. It wasn't even in their
>   list of upcoming releases... However, I had SEEN it already on the shelf
>   back in Canada... I'm wondering if this is still the situation, and why
>   this was the situation...

it is here in berkeley..





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From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: church of no return
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:14:38 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <of26sS_00iV3M_lchG@andrew.cmu.edu> ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak) writes:

>On what album does CoNR orignally appear on?
I hope you mean the Christian Death song.... :->
It was originally just available as 7" and 12" singles
but now is featured on the compilation album Jesus Points the bone at you.

>Did Porl King (Rossetta Stone) sing for another band before?
Who knows?? Who cares??? :-)
>Anyone into the WAKE?
I'd like to get some oif their stuff but you can't get it here in Ireland.

>Edward
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From: graham_t@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Subject: virgin prunes
Reply-To: graham_t@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:13:14 GMT


	I realise this is probably a very silly question , but are there
	any Virgin Prunes releases still available ?

	My sis looked in a few record shops in Dublin for them , but was
	told that they're all out of print ,and the only chance she'd
	have would be to find one second-hand ( but who on earth would
	want to get rid of their prunes albums ???)

	Has anybody seen such a thing in the U.S. ? No chance of finding
	anything interesting in this dinky little town , but a friend of
	mine got If I die x 2 in L.A. years ago ...


	Thanks 
	G.M.T.
From: wilsonandrew@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: DRACULA
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:17:37 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

HOW ABOUT THE NEW "DRACULA" MOVIE? ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T REALLY STICK TO THE 
BOOK (SUPRISE SUPRISE) I LOVED IT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

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From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: sigh, oh sigh; finding Gothic clothes in stores....
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:39:13 GMT

min215ii  writes:
> RE: Gothic clothing
> 
> The tern "gothic" doesn't only pertain to a type of music... the clothing 
> refered to as gothic is simply clothing from "gothic" time periods. I few 
> examples are poet blowses, some "pirate" shirts, as some people call them, 
> etc. There's A LOT more to the gothic attitude than just music. The music 
> is only a fraction of it.

By no means did I say that music was all there was to gothic
attitude (funny, I don't remember even referring to music...).  
All I was stating was that too many people are getting far too 
uptight because a few people who are not otherwise into goth
are wearing clothes like they are.  Actually, I haven't seen
much of it, but if it is happening, let it pass.  The vast
brainwashed masses will quickly find something else to make
into a fad and goth will be just as unpopular with the general
population as it has always been...  And who knows, maybe we'll
even pick up a few new serious people out of such a trend.  If
goth clothing is being sold in malls now, who cares?  If you're
really goth, you know who you are, and no one else should be
able to interfere.  If you let the trend followers bother you,
you're just as petty as they are, and if goth is going to be
associated with such pettiness, I'm not sure I want anything to
do with it anymore.  At that point, it becomes nothing more
than another trend.

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From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: Some Girls...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:00:26 GMT

bernie@tagsun.med.utoronto.ca  writes:
>     I spent the summer in the USA, and I was completely stymied in my
> attempts at buying the SoM compilation _Some Girls Wander By Mistake_.
> The people at Strawberries (big chain, flagship in Boston?) had never
> heard of it, and neither had their computers. It wasn't even in their
> list of upcoming releases... However, I had SEEN it already on the shelf
> back in Canada... I'm wondering if this is still the situation, and why
> this was the situation...
> 

It's recently been released in the US by Elektra in a limited edition
which sells for $20 here.  Other than that, all I can say is
try local record stores rather than chain stores... You're more
likely to find it at one of them.
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Goth Clothing Catalogs
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:45:43 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

banshee@cats.ucsc.edu  writes:
> 
> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
> >I don't think we ever did get any addresses out of the request
> >for information on catalogs selling goth clothing (or did I
> >miss something?).  Doesn't anyone know anything?
> 
> I think the upshot is that there is no "Goths-R-Us" and you'll have to pick
> and choose to get a selection of clothing.  A lot of the stuff is ex-theater
> or antique/thrift store material.  Learn to sew and you can alter things to
> suit.
> 
> If this is difficult for you, you might consider tattooing yourself black.
> 

I know there are companies that sell goth-style clothing...
I've seen catalogs before, but it was a while ago and I don't
have any addresses anymore.
Unfortunately, learning to sew is not really an option, because
I don't have any of the equipment to do it and wouldn't have
anywhere in my dorm room to put it.
Tattooing does sound like a good idea... :-)
I have recieved a couple of responses through e-mail with
addresses for companies.  If anyone else wants them, or would
like me to post them, let me know.
From: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:05:05 EST
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Just to end a longstanding confusion I have had about this song, I have
decided to seek Net Wisdom(Tm).

The verse I can't seem to decipher is as follows...

       "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
        ________ flowers ____________ bloom.
        Alone in a darkened room,
        The count."

Any help would be appreciated.

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From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:03:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:

> 7. Dead Can Dance - "A Passage In Time"
Wanky lame ass comp piece of shit.  The first album is much more solid.

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From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:55:47 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <Bxx1np.M79@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner) writes:
>
>> The verse I can't seem to decipher is as follows...
>
>>       "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
>>        ________ flowers ____________ bloom.
>>        Alone in a darkened room,
>>        The count."
>
>I THINK, THAT (enough of this caps crap) is a very hard line to decipher.
>I think the line deals with the women putting flowers on his tomb.  I will
>listen to the CD again tonight and post the results tomorrow.\

  I have the lyric sheet at home. I'll check it when I get there and post
it later today. Not all the lyrics for all the songs are correct (it has
more than a little to do with the Japanese translators) but I'm pretty sure
that the lyrics I have for this song are correct.
-Daniel



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From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Where does that leave me??
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:20:35 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


>>RE: Gothic clothing


>Exactly!  Though I do not consider myself "gothic", I do like gothic music.
>I hate the people who go around (usally in the 15-17 age group)wear dark clothes
>and listening to CD, or Bauhus, and think that they are gothic.  There is so
>much more to the movement than most people understand.  It one thing to like
>Goth music, like I said I do because I can really relate to it, BUT I in no way
>cansider myself gothic.  It thing it's a extremely over used and generic term.

>		Well that's enough bitching for now,
Indeed.
So here am I a 19 year old student in Trinity College Dublin...
I don't claim to be listening to Gothic Music longer than anyone else or anything.
I started with Joy Division about 4 years ago and have since
gotten into Bauhaus, Fields of the Nephilim, Sisters, Xtian Death etc..
in that order. So.. am I now a teeny goth who doesn't 'understand the movement'???
I love the music, imagery etc.. and have been known to wear 'colours' occasionally as a change from the beautiful black,
but I consider myself a goth, and don't care what anyone else thinks.
Yes its overused... But maybe that's because there are a lot of Goths. 
I think your statement relates back to that 
@I'm more Goth than you thing@ that can be quite sad. 
Oh well... That's about it from my flame.

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 Flowers of doom all bloom in prosperity.. "		  -Rozz Williams
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From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Subject: Re: church of no return
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:28:34 GMT

mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:

>mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie  writes:
>> In <of26sS_00iV3M_lchG@andrew.cmu.edu> ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak) writes:
>> 
>> >On what album does CoNR orignally appear on?
>> I hope you mean the Christian Death song.... :->
>> It was originally just available as 7" and 12" singles
>> but now is featured on the compilation album Jesus Points the bone at you.
>> 

Does anyone know any of the tour dates for Christian Death?
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Satanism and Gothdom?
From: beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner)
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:59:28 PST
Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA

>The more contact I have with these people, the more disconnected
>I feel with the (self-proclaimed) goth-scene here. I am curious
>as to how common that religious form really is in Gothdom. Is
>it purely theatrical? Aleister Crowly has been trendy for years,
>but I thought interest in him had waned finally...         
>
>perhaps with elements of Romanticism from the Nineteenth
>Century in Europe (a movement which itself looked
>back to the Middle Ages and the Church for fantastic
>imagery... e.g. ghost-stories and horrific fairy-tales)?
>
>The satanic phenomena here deeply perplexes me. I just
>do not understand the link....Are they all just 
>confused children filled with an overabundance of
>Angst or is it truly a part of the scene? Anyone have
>a clue as to the relationship between Gothdom and
>these new cults? I personally fear that they are robbing
>the movement of its majesty, its beauty, its dark
>splendor...

	The goths in the United States become that way more or less by
listening to music--music like Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, the
Cure, and so on.  Many are not necessarily _Satanic_, but are certainly into
practicing black magic and the like.  I was recently told that local goths
do this a lot, and many have spirits that follow them (I got into the
conversation after getting a lot of weird vibes from a particular local
club, and someone told me this could certainly be one of the reasons.)
	But I can't fully answer those questions (whether they were
rhetorical or not), because I am seeing them from the outside...



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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:57:34 GMT

In article <1ee3p2INNi5h@uwm.edu> tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>
>Well, if you finger me, you will find the lyrics to Bela Lugosi's Dead:
>
>Here's a recap:
>
>[miller.cs.uwm.edu]
>^*^   ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^

 [ some deleted ]

>                 ...the virginal brides file past his tomb...
>                        strewing time's dead flowers
>                           bereft of deadly bloom

I just did a loop on that last line and listened to it for about a minute.  I always thought he said "gloom", but it is clearly "bloom", but he was saying "bereft IN DEATHLY bloom".  This was from Press the Eject and Give Me the Tape.

JT
From: MXR133@psuvm.psu.edu (min215ii)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: sigh, oh sigh; finding Gothic clothes in stores....
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:56:12 GMT
 <1992Nov16.042424.1614@Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

RE: Gothic clothing

The tern "gothic" doesn't only pertain to a type of music... the clothing refer
ed to as gothic is simply clothing from "gothic" time periods. I few examples a
re poet blowses, some "pirate" shirts, as some people call them, etc. There's A
LOT more to the gothic attitude than just music. The music is only a fraction o
f it.
From: cramer@mahler.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Christian Death
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:03:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <5DY8JRB@hp832.informatik.hu-berlin.de> gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates) writes:
>
>GET _CATASTROPHE BALLET_. Now. Do not hesitate or ponder it. Buy it.
>(it is not as hard and lacks the satanic imagery of OToP...but it is
>gorgious...somewhat gentler, but deeper too) . 
>
>If someone suggests Sex, Drugs & J.C....laugh at them.
>There are better xian death albums to begin collecting.
>
>
>		--margaret.
>
Ok...so Sex, Drugs, & J.C. isn't that good...but my question is: How typical
of CD is _The Scriptures_? It's the only one I have but I REALLY like it...
Would I be disappointed by the other ones?


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From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:07:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson) writes:
>Third your list also lacks a significant number of true gothics such
>as Diamanda Galas.  That is one Gothic woman...  Please come back some
>day when you have a more insightful list to offer to the world.

You've got to give Diamanda credit for taking what she does all the way.  No
half assing it from her.  She was on this talk show (or something like that)
with two-live crew (or something like that) and at one point she was bitching
at the men there "Come on!  Fuck me right NOW!  I bet you can't even get it up."
Guess she has a hard time finding suitable partners.

	But other than that: god shes tedious.

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From: ryder@cichlid.metaphor.com (Rick Ryder)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Mission Minus Craig
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:21:26 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

I just received my copy of Masque and, whoa, Wayne is really making some
changes to the group. Anyone else up on this news and want to clue me in
to the gory details?

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From: jdgray@nyx.cs.du.edu (john gray)
Subject: Taslk of gothic revival (?)
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:28:13 GMT


I get the impression from reading alt.gothic that some sort of revival
in "gothic fashion" is taking place???? Is this the case (can't say I've
notivced anything in the UK). 

I have very poor news access, so can anyone who's willing to give a
*concise* summary of situation please mail me (phyjwdg@vaxb.hw.ac.uk) NOT
NYX please!!! I have big internet access difficulties.

@@@cabbage+!, cloaked in black velvet (seriously!)
phyjwdg@vaxb.hw.ac.uk ((preferred)
jdgray@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Subject: Re: Goth Clothing Catalogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:29:45 GMT

mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:

>I don't think we ever did get any addresses out of the request
>for information on catalogs selling goth clothing (or did I
>miss something?).  Doesn't anyone know anything

You missed it. I can put it back up if you like.

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re:Sisters (was: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Originator: cmgeorg@c00083-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:58:19 GMT


In article <1992Nov23.010726.9697@Virginia.EDU>, mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
|>"Enter the Sisters" is a collection of the first 12"
|>releases...  I personally think it's a better collection than
|>SGWbM is.  The only problem with it is a flaw on the end of
|>"Alice" that makes it make a loud popping sound.  I'm not sure
|>if they're all like this, or if it's just mine...  The sound
|>quality on the disc is good enough to be a legitimate release.
|>

Yes, I guess they all have that "pop".  Mine does, and so does my roommates'.
I guess that's what you get when you try to bootleg a CD from a direct
LP recording. 8-)

I don't know if I would call it better that SGWbM, I think that it's equally
as good because although they both have alot of the same songs, some of the 
songs on either don't appear on CD anywhere else. I think they definately
compliment each other.

On a related note, does anyone know if the "Long Train" 12" is available
on CD?

-chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
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 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
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