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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A Ghost Poem......
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:32:10 GMT

	This is another poem by Cheran.  This was written when Indian Peace 
Keeping Force (IPKF) and  Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) were in a 
battle.  In this poem Cheran represents a typical man who was caught in the
middle of a war which was "forced" on him.  

pisaasuk kavithai                          ghost poem
=================                          ==========

iru puRamum thuppaakki                     guns both sides
naduvil naan                               in the middle is I
appaavipp pothumakan                       innocent public
en pEr.                                    is my name.

oorillai enakku,                           I have no home,
munpu irunthathu                           had one those days
ippO tholainthuviddathu.                   now it's lost.
(puNNiya paarathaththukku nanRi!)          (thanks to holy India!)

iru puRamum thuppaakki                     guns both sides
naduvil naan;                              in the middle is I;
erikinRa neruppukkum                       even in the middle 
naduvil than.                              of the burning fire.

avan 'iru' enRaal                          if one says 'sit'
ivan 'ezhumpu' enpaan.                     the other says 'stand'.
avan 'pO' enRaal                           if one says 'go'
ivan 'vaa' enpaan.                         the other says 'come'.

avan 'iRa' enRaan.                         one said 'die'.
ivan 'iru' enRaan.                         the other said 'live'.
avan udalaik konRaan.                      one killed the body.
ivan aathmaavaik konRaan.                  the other killed soul.

ippO naan                                  now I 
pisasanEn.                                 have become a ghost.

==============
From: elumpukkoodukaLin oorvalam (Copyright:  Thedal Pathippakam
      [Parade of Skeletons]                   566, Parliament St, Toronto
                                              Ontario, M5X 1P8, Canada)
==============
Willing to respond to sensible follow-ups,

Vicky: 
UMass, Sep 08
(doesn't necessarily mean that Vicky endorses Cheran's views)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: nlp54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Telugu and Tamil
Keywords: Telugu and Tamil
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:19:23 GMT

In article <kat.716476540@ro> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <BuJwv9.Avo@rice.edu> pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao) writes:
>
>
>>patterns and the way another person is programmed makes him think those patterns
>>sound silly? There is no dispute or debate here. One's sense of phonetic
>>beauty will be developed based on the patterns he learns, after all.
>
>>If someone comes and says, "Telugu is a cacophonious language. It sounds
>>horrible", I will not care. I will not get into lengthy debates and try to
>   You can tell whatever you want. But do not generalize and if somebody
>like the guy who sends mail like the QWERTY keyboard  can keep
>his knowledge to himself everything is fine.
>>explain how euphonious Telugu is. I'll just ignore her/him. I just don't
>>understand why some Tamils are so sensitive to this and start majorly defending
>>the euphonious nature of Tamil.
>     my friend, I am Kathir avan. I did not say Telugus suffered
>from inferiority complex. I pointed clearly to the Mr. who
>sent hate mails repeatedly on Keyboards. So you don't conclude
>                              ^^^^^^^^^
>that whole bunch of Telugus were accused. I pointed to that guy and
>not on the Telugus as a community. Please just read the mail and
>reply.
> And, someone (was it Kathivaran?) said Telugus
>>suffered from an inferiority complex in this matter, huh!  ;-)
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>|>            may be we have different ears (-:
>
>
>
>>Chill out
>>PVR
>
>Cool,
>Kathiravan.
>

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CULTURED INDIANS (SOUTHERNERS)!

Grow up souls! Are n't you matured enough mentally?  Are you guys from boarder
(backward) areas back home?  What a waste of time?  Do contribute some valuable
articles to the net.  Why do you ridicule each other's culture, language, and
relegion?  Inida is a land of diversity and that is the beauty of our Mother
Land.  Adore the cultures!  Respect each other's values and heritage!  Language
is language guys.  You are all fortunate to be born as humans who can use
languages as media of communication (in a cultured way).  Be happy!
Please stop all at once ridiculing each other.


PALANA

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PARANANDI LAKSHMI NARASIMHAM
CAS
COLUMBUS
OH 43202

Opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of CAS.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thaya@Siri.Unit.NO (Thayanantha Balasundaram)
Subject: Re: Edu edutthu ezhuthal
Followup-To: m 
Keywords: kiss
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.150528.20701@ugle.unit.no>, thaya@solan.unit.no (Thayanantha Balasundaram) writes:
 > i have begun at a fest in kuLampu with chief golf MR tOONdilman.
   her 'piRappu' 08.11.1960
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2103 soc.culture.indian:30827
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Readership Statistics for August 1992
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

Extracted from USENET Readership survey for Aug 1992 ----------------
Posting in news.lists by: reid@decwrl.DEC.COM (Brian Reid) 3 Sep 92
Organization: DEC Network Systems Laboratory
-------------------------------------------------------------------
    +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
    |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
    |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
    |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
    |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
    |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
    |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Share: % of newsrders
    |     |     |      |      |      |    |   who read this group.
    V     V     V      V      V      V    V      
130000  2719   72%  2795  6127.6    13%  5.0%  soc.culture.indian
  9400   203   26%  1108  2750.7    19%  0.4%  soc.culture.tamil
 14000   303   29%    42   144.8    18%  0.6%  alt.culture.tamil(defunct)
 52000  1127   68%   937  2148.3    18%  2.1%  soc.culture.pakistan
 28000   601   65%   422  1364.8    53%  1.1%  soc.culture.bangladesh
 41000   887   67%    49   203.3     0%  1.6%  misc.news.southasia
 34000   725   68%    68   125.8     6%  1.3%  soc.culture.sri-lanka
 19000   409   65%    39    77.7     0%  0.8%  soc.culture.nepal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
PS. I have no idea why only 26% sites receive soc.culture.tamil.
Those who are able to receive soc.culture.indian, and are interested
in receiving soc.culture.tamil, should check with their sys.administrator.
-----------------------------------------
KS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Found that kuRaL...  Was that right..?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:39:38 GMT

In article <18392.2aac9667@ecs.umass.edu> vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Sundara Pandian writes:
>
>>   This kuRaL is from the chapter `vaazhkkaith thuNainalam'.   
>
>>  \(TAMIL) 
>>    deyvam thozhaa_aL kozhu_nan thozhuthezhuvaaL
>>    peyyanap peyyum mazhai [ KuRaL, # 55 ].
...
>I have two questions.

[deleted; in favor of]

An interpretation or two of this is along the lines of this
praising chastity. Quite possibly I am an illiterate in
these matters for I fail to see this obviously.

As for Kathiravan's response to my snide remark regarding
the story I quoted about Vasuki/VaLLuvar - I was quite
confused by what he was saying - perhaps he was too excited. 
I read the story in a Tamil textbook (vintage unknown.) 
My point was about the apparent lack of contradiction with 
which these analyses are presented - of the Vedas which have 
no relevance to this group or our times (my opinion) and kuRaL, 
the supreme arbiter of ageless morality!

Sthan.
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: abucher@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Bucher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Internet Access availability
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:28:01 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


	Greetings Readers,

     I am trying to find out if there are any places in Syria that
have Internet access.  So if any of you kind readers are glancing at
this from Syria, especially from Latakia (spell?) I would graciously
appreciate a reply from you.


		Thank you very much for your time


			Anthony Bucher
From: benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Muslim students of humanities
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:33:52 GMT
Distribution: usa


I might have generalized about students who go to humanities, so
I apologize to humanity students.. 
I recognize that there are people who are smart but did not make
the grade in school for some reason or another, and that there are
sincere people who choose those fields out of commitment and love,
but up to now, I belive that those two categories above are a minority.

Actually in some countries (such as Tunisia), there are atheists and
communists who go to the school of theology and become religious
education teachers.. I know that this might delight Martillo-like
people, but the reason behind that is that most atheists and communists
in Tunisia are lazy stupid people who could not make it to the other
fields.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (28th)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:44:24 GMT

mmokhtar@attmail.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
#
#  Israel is occupying Jerusalem, Gaza, The West Bank, South Lebanon, the
#Golan heights, and until recently Sinai. Israel occupied territory from
#everyone of its neighbors, then complains that it has many enemies.

A highly misleading representation of the facts. Israel did not
have any of these territories in 1967, yet it was the ultimate
desire of its neighbours to wipe it off the map.

#  "The borders of Israel extend as far as the Israeli army can go."

Same for the Arab armies, wouldn't you say?


-Danny Keren.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: A Rousing Wellcome
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:16:28 GMT

abbasa@ul.ie writes:


>  
>Thousands of people turned out to greet President Rafsanjani of
>Islamic Republic of Iran as he arrived in the Pakistani capital
>Islamabad.  This historic wellcome has refreshened the memories of
>the similar reception given to Ayatullah Ali Khamanai, then president
>of Iran, when he had visited Pakistan.  Pakistani government had to 
>take strict security measures at this occasion.

>This great and historic reception is evidence of growing influence of 
>Islamic Revolution in abroad.  It clearly shows that Islamic revolution
>still rules the hearts of not only the Muslim people of Iran but of the whole
>Islamic World also.  This rousing wellcome dashes the hopes of open
>and hidden enemies (MUNAFIQIN) of Islamic revolution and warms the blood
>of MOMINEEN ( believers).

>regards,

>Asad.   

   Suppose it is true that Muslims everywhere welcome the "Islamic"
revolution in Iran. What the hell can they do about it? Prove.
If you managed to prove that they can do anything about it, please
go ahead and prove that they really welcome it not only the Shia part
of Pakistan.

_0
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: A Rousing Wellcome
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:33:08 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

  
Thousands of people turned out to greet President Rafsanjani of
Islamic Republic of Iran as he arrived in the Pakistani capital
Islamabad.  This historic wellcome has refreshened the memories of
the similar reception given to Ayatullah Ali Khamanai, then president
of Iran, when he had visited Pakistan.  Pakistani government had to 
take strict security measures at this occasion.

This great and historic reception is evidence of growing influence of 
Islamic Revolution in abroad.  It clearly shows that Islamic revolution
still rules the hearts of not only the Muslim people of Iran but of the whole
Islamic World also.  This rousing wellcome dashes the hopes of open
and hidden enemies (MUNAFIQIN) of Islamic revolution and warms the blood
of MOMINEEN ( believers).

regards,

Asad.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Internet Access availability in Syria
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:19:31 GMT

In article <193ectINNkjs@aludra.usc.edu>, dlee@aludra.usc.edu (ROGER DAVID CARASSO) writes:
|> Xref: titan soc.culture.arabic:5279 talk.bizarre:32974
|> Path: titan!trlluna!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!olivea!uunet!wupost!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!not-for-mail
|> From: dlee@aludra.usc.edu (ROGER DAVID CARASSO)
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
|> Subject: Re: Internet Access availability in Syria
|> Message-ID: <193ectINNkjs@aludra.usc.edu>
|> Date: 15 Sep 92 01:31:09 GMT
|> References: <1992Sep14.222801.2584@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
|> Organization: ROGER DAVID CARASSO
|> Lines: 14
|> NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
|> 
|> abucher@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Bucher) writes:
|> >
|> >	Greetings Readers,
|> >
|> >     I am trying to find out if there are any places in Syria that
|> >have Internet access.  So if any of you kind readers are glancing at
|> >this from Syria, especially from Latakia (spell?) I would graciously
|> >appreciate a reply from you.
|> 
|> I too would like to know of any internet addresses in Syria.  I would
|> love nothing more than to crack a few codes, and crash their
|> computers.
|> 
|> hugs.

So it seems you are a terrorist.

A.Faris
From: hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Dont play with Bani-Ami
Date: 6 Sep 1992 03:28:39 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

Subject: Ysrael will not drop from the Golan Heights
Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:08:19 GMT
Slugword: mideast-peace-analysis
Priority: advance
Format: regular
(Reproduced from UPI)

	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Middle East negotiators competing in the Super
Bowl of peace talks have begun a one-week recess with the score tied at
one apiece.

	During week one of the talks, the Israelis', under the guidance of
new Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, combined a more diplomatic approach
with flexibility and fresh initiatives to control the direction of
talks.
...
	A senior European officer of the B'nai B'rith international Jewish
organization, in Washington to attend a meeting of the group, told
United Press International under conditions of anonymity that Rabin told
him during a private discussion in July that ``Israel will never give up
the Golan.''
...
	The Palestinians, which up until this week had relied on verbal
assaults rather than substance, presented a reasonable proposal for
self-rule in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem that
significantly narrowed the gap with Israel.
...
	``We think we can bridge many gaps,'' Palestinian spokeswoman Hanan
Ashrawi said.
...
	``The gap is still wide,'' Jordanian spokesman Marwan Muasher said. 
``We hope the Israelis will come back with new ideas.''
	The delegates reconvene Sept. 14.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: terry@ora.com (Terry Allen)
Subject: THE ALHAMBRA
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:07:12 GMT


The Alhambra (Qal`at al-Hamra', "The Red Fort") is a palace in Granada,
Spain, built under Muslim rule.  The Alhambra stands on a spur of the
mountains overlooking the city, with a view to the Generalife, a garden
complex on the next ridge.  Most of the surviving part of the Alhambra
was built in the 14th and 15th centuries by the Nasrid dynasty
(r. 627--897 A.H./1230--1492 A.D.).  Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain
took the Alhambra, with Granada, in 1492, and Charles V later built
an (unfinished) palace in the great public courtyard that adjoined
the Alhambra's Court of the Myrtles.

In the early 19th century Western tavellers interested in the Islamic
world found Granada a "safe" place to visit, as it was in Christian
hands, and the first publication of the Alhambra's architecture was
in 1815 (James Cavanah Murphy, The Arabian Antiquities of Spain).  In
the age of French colonization of the Maghrib, Chateaubriand and Victor
Hugo wrote fantasies about life in the Alhambra under the Nasrids, and
the Alhambra became a symbol of exotic magnificence (later picked
up in the movie age:  think of all the theaters named Granada or
Alhambra).

The Alhambra exhibits all the distinctive characteristics of western
Islamic architecture:  fine-grained decoration in carved stucco,
multiple axes of symmetry, joined wooden ceilings, title dadoes that
use sophisticated geometries, and an absence of iwans or decorated
external facades.  It is a prime example of the interpenetration of
garden and palace in Islamic architecture, and boasts two of the
finest muqarnas ("stalactite") domes ever built.  The famous and unique
Lion Fountain in the Court of the Lions probably follows the inspiration
of an earlier fountain on the same site, when the Alhambra was the
palace of the Jewish wazirs of another Muslim dynasty, the Zirids
(r. in Granada 403--83 A.H./1012--90 A.D.), and the royal palace
stood on another of Granada's hills.

A revised second edition of **THE ALHAMBRA** by Oleg Grabar, the dean
of American historians of Islamic art, has just been published by
Solipsist Press, POB 544, Sebastopol, CA  95473.  Solipsist Press sells
new, used, and antiquarian books on Islamic art, architecture, and
archaeology, and the Islamic world.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: test 5 (Re: Palestinian negociator...)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:54:11 GMT

Sari el-Irani worte on Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:25:01 EDT
>Subject: Re: Chief Palestinian negociator stroms out of peace negociations amid
>
>   What kind of B.S. lies is this???
>
>--sari

I don't know what you exaclty mean :

(1)	Best Stuff
(2)	Best Story
(3)	Bull you know what
(4)	Barra Saouef b'id (go and speak some where else)
(5)	Basta Segnory 

________________(TEST 5)________________________
Mimma adraka annasu min kalami annubuwati al-ula
" Idha lam tastahi faf'al ma shi'ta"
"If you don't feel shame, then do as you wish" (HUG!)
_______________________________________________________
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:40:35 EDT
From: <RDT111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject:    request for info on arabic language and religious writings




     I'm looking for any information on Arabic language programs (computer
programs that teach the arabic language), and information on sources
of islamic religious writings (including the Qur'an) in english or
arabic.  I'm mostly looking for information stored on computers that
I could access. Also any BBS's that may contain information would be
usefull.  if this seems a little vague its because i'm posting it for
a friend.
     Any replies can be sent to rdt111@psuvm.psu.edu or by just replying
to this post.

The views expressed above are not neccisarily those of Penn State.
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Al-Mawlid Al-Nabaawi E-sharif
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:41:37 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.afghanistan, soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.bangladesh, soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan


Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatu Allah all brothers and sisters in Islam.

These days we remember THE BIRTH OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED (pbuh) and the
Muslim Ummah in a state that no one will ENVY IT FOR. But THE HOPE IS
THERE and THE CHANGE IS POSSIBLE. The only condition to taking the 
effective  known and available medecine is to be able to see beyond
the word : "AHAD AHAD .. " of BILAL and to see beyond BADR and less 
than 320 people to see THE VAST SPACES of the spread of ISLAM in one 
century - When we see and Act - we start making HISTORY again.

What we do is only for us - ISLAM IS VICTORIOUS SOONER OR LETTER -
with us or without us and with others. This has been promised by
ALLAH. "Fa Allahu Akbar wa al-Aqibatu lilmuttaqin".

So  let's CELEBRATE THE MAWLID BY A STRONG INTENTION FOR CHANGE
TO THE BETTER AND BY  HARD WORK AND JIHAD (UTMOST EFFORT) IN 
THE PATH OF ALLAH and HIS PROPHET.
--
 Malek.
 
 "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3606 soc.culture.jewish:15691 soc.culture.turkish:9824 soc.culture.pakistan:14612 soc.culture.afghanistan:957
From: benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: ONENESS AND UNIQUENESS OF THE CREATOR, AND THE PURPOSE OF CREATION
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:53:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Distribution: usa

irfan@wiener.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:

>Orginized by Intervarsity Christian Fellowship 
>in Madison, WI on Feb 92.

>Christian Speaker: Chawkat Mucharry, Arab Christian,
>                   Ph.D. Student in Theology in France
>Muslim Speaker   : Muhammad Kahraman, Turkish Muslim,
>                   Ph.D. Student in Electrical Engineering

I have yet to see a Muslim specialist attend one of these
debates, and I have seen plenty of them.

Why is it that the Muslim side is always presented by Amateurs (people
who studied comparative religion as a hobby) while the christian side
is always represented by a doctor in theology?

My explanation:

1) Because most Muslim specialists do not know how to speak in English
or any other foreign language, those who learn English are scientists
and engineers, some of whom become interested in preaching about Islam.
Why are Islamic students of theology ignorant in other languages while
the prophet (p.b.u.h) says "If you learn the language of a people you will be
able to avoid their evil?" This is of course a result of the centuries of
decadence that the Muslims passed through.

2) Because there is a lack of specialists in theology in the Muslim world
as it does not pay, so only people who could not go to the well-paying
fields are forced to study such topics... Smart people usually are
Engineers or scientists, the ones who go to the other fields
(human social and religious science) are usually marginal and unmotivated
people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,alt.fan.letterman,misc.test,talk.bizarre