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From: CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Thanks for answering Dr. Who questions
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:16:19 GMT

Thanks to all those who answered my "Many Questions About Dr. Who"
posting!  Apparently, Dr. Who is a program that is best seen from the
beginning.  The mixture of questions they've already answered with
questions they never answered can be a bit overwhelming for a casual
watcher like myself.  If I may be so bold, I think I now understand
how the Doctor's character changed over the years:

Hartnell/Throughton - well, he suddenly became younger
Throughton/Pertwee - he was stripped of his memory (Something I didn't
                     know)
Pertwee/T. Baker - he got his memory back
T. Baker/Davison (no 2nd d) - well, I guess his old hair style was
                              really getting to him :)
Davison/C. Baker - nobody ever said a regeneration was an easy thing to
                   go through

I'm also grateful to a local "Time Lord" who explained that Peter
Davison *did* watch Hartnell and Throughton's Doctors (no Who) but
simply hadn't kept up with recent episodes.  This explains what he
said in an interview once about him not being very familiar with
Tom Baker's performance.  I guess I read too much into this, sorry.
I was also told that it was the producers, not Davison himself, who
decided that the Doctor should be played straight.  This is something
else I didn't know.

Similarly, I'm grateful to all those who considered my Doctor/Master
paradox.  The best answer I got was that TARDIS' were not allowed to
venture into Gallifreyan (two l's) past or future.  A corolary would
then be that since the Doctor and the Master were both Gallifreyans,
they couldn't easily enter each other's past or future (let alone their
own past or future).  This would also explain why the Time Lords were
so apathetic about the Master.

Finally, I remember someone suggesting that *all* the alien invasions
into Earth's past may have been due to either the Master or some other
time traveller if only indirectly.  This is a possibility I hadn't
considered.  It would mean a) that the Doctor was not interfering in the
past but correcting the course of history that he knew very well would
have been altered and b) that the Doctor may have been drawn to that
very place in time because the time stream had been disturbed.  (It
always bothered me when the Doctor would say "Hmm, looks like Earth,
circa ... say, aren't those Cybermen?" :) )

In conclusion, thanks a lot.  I guess this is what these newsgroups are
for right?  (Don't post to say "That's right!" please; I'm not a regular
reader of this newsgroup and you'd just be wasting bandwidth. :) )

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:44:40 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep29.043731.22116@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <15762@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the  
>Frog here...) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.231014.19691@wam.umd.edu>  
>>mrmuon@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>> >Image quality varies with how a particular story survived; some, such  
>as  
>> >"the Web Planet" are in lousy shape.
>> 
>> Actually, the weird image problems in stories like "Web Planet" and  
>parts
>> of "The Daleks" is because of the conversion process necessary from 405
>> line video to 625.  Or at least that's what I guess.  That's why the  
>image
>> appears slightly pixellized -- the scan lines don't quite match up.
>
>I remember part 1 (at least) of "Web Planet" having particularly nasty  
>problems. There is a significant vertical smear, everything has  
>accompanying streaks above and below.
>I thought it looked as if someone had smeared the pigment of the film as  
>it ran along (not literally of course).

Actually, the smears on "The Web Planet" were put there deliberately as
the episode was made by rubbing vasoline over the camera lenses
for all scenes on the surface of Vortis to add to the "alien" look.
You can tell because any indoor scenes are clear of this distortion.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Last of the Bannermen?  Stunk.
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:56:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <BD.92Oct5132545@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>Okay, my local public television took a few weeks off from
>Dr. Who, and came back by broadcasting the episode "Last
>of the Bannerman".

>This episode was just terrible, IMHO.

If you take the episode at all seriously, AGREED.  It's best to look at it
as a spoof of '50s B-movies -- "I Married A Monster From Outer Space" meets
James Dean meets a rocksploitation movie.

>Does the series get better again? or should I just
>stop watching now?

Well, next story, Mel leaves, and the episode after that is the beginning of
the 25th anniversary season, which sees a GIGANTIC improvement.

Starting with "Remembrance of the Daleks", you'll like McCoy a lot better,
and you'll LOVE Ace.

You have my word on it.  :-)
From: marcotte@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian Marcotte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I still have not seen Survival
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:23:20 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1aidkeINN9n2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@obsidian.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
->In article <Men8N5u00WBLE49XsQ@andrew.cmu.edu> rk37+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard V. Kwiatkowski) writes:
->
->>I really want to see Survival.
->
->	No, you don't.

Yes, you do! I thought this was an excellent episode. Decide for yourself!

--
- Brian
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:55:25 GMT

In article <ZqHPRB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>OKAY, now that the terminal is working again, let me make the corrections::
>
>OKAY!!
>
>Jon Pertwee was shown in both colour and b&w.  Since them some of the colour
>prints have disappeared.  Now the Beeb is deciding to colourize everything
>PErtwee as much as possible.
>
>FTR, Pertwee is the only Doctor to be done in 405-line b&w and 625 PAL-I
>colour.
>
>Hope this clarifies somethings.
>
No, it doesn't, because you've made an error here.

AS I can recall reading in "doctor Who - The Early Years," Britain used
a 405-line picture as the technical standard until 1967, when they 
upgraded to 625-lines, or the current PAL standard.  
To me, this suggests that everyone at the time had to get a new set, as
I don't think the two systems could be automatically compatible.
Pertwee became the Doctor in 1970, by which time everything was being
done in 625-lines.
We can see this effect for ourselves.  Am I the only one who thinks that
Hartnell stories don't look as crisp as Troughton ones?  This is because
after '67, the Troughtons would have been in PAL, rather than 405 lines,
even though they were still black and white.


ALL of Jon Pertwee's stories were origninally made in full 625-line color.
Film copies were made of these stories for foreign sales to countries
who didn't have the same technical standard (even though it would be
difficult and expensive to convert directly from one standard to another,
going from one standard to film and then to the other standard would in
fact be simpler (or the station could just show it off the film, that is
possible)).
These film copies were in black and white, and it is these film copies that
Americans have seen in place of the original color copies in the cases
of "Doctor Who and the Silurians," "The Ambassadors of Death,"
"Terror of the Autons,"  "The Mind of Evil," and "the Daemons"
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Concerning violent doctors
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:28:13 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada


Is r.a.dw also known as rec.flame.doctor.six.violence group?

What about the first's Doctor's contempuous attitude to Barbara and Ian in the
first 13 episodes of the show, or some of the scenes from "Dalek Invasion of
Earth"?  This is when the Doctor was a Gallifreyan conservative.

Or what about the 7th Doctor, attacking the Master, attacking Fenric,
attacking the Nazis, the cybermen, Davros and the Daleks.  Come On!! Don't
just condemn because Doctor No. 6 is the least popluar!!

Warning Tom W.  your letters are about to be echoed.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
From: 1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Keeper Of The Matrix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Survival . . .
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:53:07 GMT


 Regarding Message : Re: I still have not seen Survival
 Written By        : jseaver#obsidian.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) #33 @5

> No, you don't.
     
     . . . I just watched my tape of 'Survival' and I thought it was a very
good episode <one of the better McCoy episodes> . . .

                          -Keeper Of The Matrix-

  The Matrix: Doctor Who BBS  (209) 571-0347  Modesto, Ca  TARDISNet 1@1 
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Controller of BBC1
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:04:34 GMT

In article <9w18RB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>News from DWIN's Enlightenment:
>
>Jonathan Powell will resign early.  To the UK: Is this true or a rumour that is
>circulating?
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain

PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!!!
Oh, and Dave, never let Sinead O'Connor see your sig./

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From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor and Causality
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:42:20 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <19vigkINNnru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) says:
> 
>>
>>Because it is fun.  Back when I first saw the "Empire Strike's Back" I formed a
>>theory about the Master and the Doctor.  That either the Master is the Doctor's
>>father or that the Master is the Doctor.  However, it doesn't seem to fit anymore
>>so I've let it drop.
>>
>>                                       Bill
>>
> How about twins?  With the Master turning evil because "Mom always liked
> you (the Doctor) best!"   (Of course some won't believe this because they
> believe that Time Lords are 'weaved from a loom'.)
> 
Sounds a bit like Willam Hartnells idea for "Son of Dr. Who" where the 
Doctor has two offspring, one good and the other evil. This was Bill's 
idea for continuing the show after he retired. I think regeneration was a 
better answere myself. 
---Marc Seebass
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:33:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <qX7sRB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey) writes:

>- Wrongo, Dave! The BBC is ONLY colorizing those stories that they have
>- colour copies of (be they of low quality or not). There is no colour copy
>- of Mind of Evil and various other episodes, and so the BBC is not going
>- to touch those episodes with a 10 foot Quantel. Likewise, they aren't
>- going to fool around with the remaining Troughton and Hartnell episodes,
>- since they were B%W to begin with.

>  try again,  With Planet of the Dalkes and Invasion, it would not be that
>difficult to deduce what the colour pattern would be as 5 of the 6 do retain
>the pattern.  As for Mind of Evil, well I might agree that it would be tough to
>do.

Ah, according to the David Saunders (?) quotes in DWM, that's what they had
to do with a few bits of the rebuilt Daemons, because of the scenes cut from
the American prints.  That was the most complex and time-consuming (and
therefore expensive) part of the colorization, so doing it for two entire
episodes still sounds a bit off.  If only from the financial point of view.

>- Geez, Dave, you're the one that makes Dr. Who your life and soul, and yet
>- you still get everything wrong.....

>  Warren, try culturing yourself for once, join something like
>soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada, or something.  It could enhance you
>limited point of view.

Now now, boys, play nice.  Both of you.
From: t921036@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (GuessWho??)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:16:12 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>
>>Do you have any Idea who the "gods of Ragnarok" were?


>In a way, yes, they are figures from Norse mythology.
>As to how they pertain in the story, all we do know and all we need to
>know for the story is that the Doctor has met them before somewhere,
>they inhabit another time/space, and they have formidable mind powers
>which the eye-mirror could reflect back onto them.

i do agree with your Norse figures...they are called _The Fates_ in the Norse mythology...the three that sit in judgement...where does the name Ragnarok come    from...??

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From: billw+@pitt.edu (William R Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor's medical qualifications?
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:00:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   Well, in the novelization of "Moonbase"  (He types ducking the canon-ball!)
The Doctor claims to have takne medical training under Lister (Joseph, not
Dave! :-)  )
       Bill Wilkinson, LAMMA Tamer (And, yes that IS the proper spelling of
LAMMA...who said I was talking about and Andean beast o' burden? :-)  (
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: New Adventures as canon?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:52:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.041704.18387@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
>	Actually it was hinted in several episodes and actually stated in
>Nightshade (again we run up against the canonical thing again, is it or
>isn't it?  :) that Susan wasn't really his relative but rather his first
>companion.  I mean, we all know that the Doctor stole the Tardis.  How many
>actually can see her along on the heist?  :)
>	In Nightshade, he talks very fondly of her and thinks about her as
>the one companion that he got too close to.  Kind of a strange thought if
>you consider that they are related.
>	And I hate to guess, but what about cloning?  The problem with
>making Gallifreyans sterile is that the entire population would have died
>off.  Or at least drop considerably.  If she was a clone of someone then
>they would theoretically be related.  Don't take this is an explanation,
>but just conjecture.  I mean, think about what you would have done if your
>race suddenly became sterile.
>
>						Cliff Chen
>						cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

I have to take exception to this, as NOWHERE in the episodes of the TV
series was it EVER mentioned or hinted at that Susan wasn't anything
more or less than the Doctor's granddaughter.  Quite the reverse,
his treatment and sense of loss about her leaving in "Dalek Invasion"
and in "Rescue" seems to suggest the opposite.

Susan IS the Doctor's granddaughter until the TV show says different,
no matter what Eric Saward or Mark Gatiss think. 

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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Guide to Remembering the 3 R's: was RE: Remembrance of the Daleks
Date: 27 Sep 1992 21:32:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) says:

>
>No, it was "Remembrance."
>
>This points out a problem I see a lot of fans seem to have, i.e. getting
>the 3 R's confused...Resurrection, Revelation, and Remembrance of the Daleks.
>

I erred in my original post. What I meant to say is that Foreman is
mispelled in "Attack Of The Cybermen". I'm still not sure one way or
the other (Maybe it's mispelled in both stories). I'm going to re-
watch both stories today & report the findings.

-- 
Bill White, aa634@Cleveland.freenet.edu OR aa037@Medina.Freenet.edu
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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Remembrance of the Daleks
Date: 26 Sep 1992 13:02:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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In a previous article, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) says:

>
>Yes, in the TV version of "Remembrance" they misspelled "Foreman" as "Forman"
>on the gates.  Just another completely useless piece of trivia.
>
>
>


Are you sure it was "Remeberance"? I thought it was "Revelation" that
had the mispelling of Foreman, though I admit it's been some time 
since I've watched either story so I'm not sure. Looks like I'll have
to haul out the tapes & double check my facts.

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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Remembrance of the Daleks
Date: 27 Sep 1992 21:26:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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In a previous article, aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) says:

>
>In a previous article, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) says:
>
>>
>>Yes, in the TV version of "Remembrance" they misspelled "Foreman" as "Forman"
>>on the gates.  Just another completely useless piece of trivia.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Are you sure it was "Remeberance"? I thought it was "Revelation" that

Oops! This should be "Attack Of The Cybermen"---------^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry about that. Chalk up another one for brain rot.

>had the mispelling of Foreman, though I admit it's been some time 
>since I've watched either story so I'm not sure. Looks like I'll have
>to haul out the tapes & double check my facts.
>
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From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Further suggestive lines, Gallifreyans vs Time Lords
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:10:43 GMT


In <BvDvtx.22H@wm.estec.esa.nl> pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) writes:

>There IS an underclass on Gallifrey! If I remember correctly, this theme
>was explored in 'The Invasion of Time'. I believe that Leela actually left
>the city of the Time Lords and met some of these people; they may even have
>played an active role in the foiling of the Sontaran invasion. Anyone out
>there with a novelisation of 'The Invasion of Time' wish to expand on this?

The outsiders were Time Lords who had had enough of Time Lord life in the 
city. Nesbin says they were all once Time Lords, but decided to drop out.
They are not an underclass, just people leading an alteranitive lifestyle.

Mark C.
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Subject: Chris Jury (was Visions 92 update, Visions 93 teaser)
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 15:13:20 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU writes:

> CHIRS JURY  (I know he played Bell Boy in The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
> 		but I imagine he's done something else that warrants his
> 		appearance at this Con)

Chris Jury played Deadbeat in TGSitG, and he is currently playing Eric
Catchpole on the series Lovejoy.  (Lovejoy can be seen in the US on
A&E, mondays at 7 and 11pm.   Highly recomend this show).  So I imagine
that is why he is a guest at Visions.  Now if they can get Lovejoy
himself, Ian McShane, I'd be happy.  :)  Another Lovejoy/DW
crossover is Tony Selby who played Zebulon<sp?> Glitz in Mindwarp and
Dragonfire, and also played a constable in an episode of Lovejoy.  I
stared at that constable for over two scenes before I recognized who
he was.  :)









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From: quiz@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:13 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Quiz 3 REPOST - Dr. Who Quote Quiz
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Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!quiz    Sep 27 17:13:00 1992


--------------------   Quiz  3  -  2nd  Posting  --------------------------
Division A					  

1.	"The design was quite impractical."

2.  	"Your civilization knows nothing of time-dimensional technology.
	 Explain."

3.	"So, you think the saving of a worthless life more important
	 than the progress we have made?"

4.	"I'd used up the shot. It would have taken at least two minutes to
	 reload."

5.	"Amazing the effect a loud bang can have on the primitive mind."

Clue:  The speaker may or may not have relevance to the theme.


Division B
1.	"Why should we remain forever underground, cowering from the
	 memory of something that happened centuries ago?"

2.	"I haven't been here since they were building the place.  Do
	 you remember the way around?"
	

Hint for Division B: Same as us but have certain weaknesses removed
REMEMBER: THIS HINT APPLIES TO DIVISION B ONLY.
	  DIVISION A AND B THEMES MAY BE DIFFERENT!


Answers by email ONLY - Must be received by 23:00CDT Wednesday, October 7th.
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