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From: ctalbott@mksol.dseg.ti.com (christopher j talbott)
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:57:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.045100.11948@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
|> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <Bto14D.KDA@scd.hp.com>, brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver) writes:
|> 
|> >Jimmy Page used a bow on one of his Les Pauls for the song 'Kashmir'.  You
|> >can see this on the film "the Song Remains the Same".  The was another
|> >guitarist I saw recently doing this, but sadly I cannot remember who.  
|> >I think it was some Metal(/Glam?) band.
|> 
|> I think the glam band u were referring to might have been Whitesnake...
|> I recall seeing one of the film clips back abouit 5-6 years ago, and the
|> lead player was playing with a bow (Vandenberg????) certainly before Vai
|> 
|> Can't quite remember the song, 'bout the time of "Is This Love?", had 
|> Tawny Kitaen in the vid (sha-wing :-))
|> 
|> Adam
|> University of Western Australia

I believe the song was "Still of the Night"

If I remember the video right, Tawny's doing her typical "slinking" all over
everything in sight...BMW's, mic stands, Coverdale, etc... :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: "Jon Rossie" <jrossie@leopard.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:11:39 -0500

[some talk about alternate tunings, Robert Johnson ...]

Yes, the Stones (Keith R, anyhow) often use open G.  "Honkey Tonk
Woman"  "Can't always Get ..."  etc.  I think he takes the bass
string right off so the lowest string is the G-root.

In fact, I think the Zeppelin revision of "Travelin' Riverside Blues" is
best played in open G.  So are some other Zep tunes.  "hey hey, what
can I do" comes to mind.  "in my time of dying".  I think even
"kashmir", but don't ask me for the TAB.

Not all of these are slide pieces, but if you have to tune to G, why
not get a set out of it?

------------
Jon Rossie
jrossie@cs.indiana.edu
From: ms184@pollux.geog.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Opinions wanted about GS-6
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:37:24 GMT
Reply-To: ms184@pollux.geog.ucsb.edu ()
Organization: U. C. Santa Barbara, Geography Department

I just picked up a Roland GS-6 guitar processor for the blow-out price
of $350.  I was impressed that I could get a warm sound out of an all-
digital processor.  I was unimpressed with that ever-present Roland
grunge, and the fact that the delayed signal can never get as loud
as the direct signal.  (Almost but not quite.)

As far as the grunge, I don't think it is a problem playing live.  The
Noise suppressor kills all of it when no sound is going through, and
at loud levels my amp's characteristics will kill the rest.  It's not
as much of a problem as with grungy MT32's, mainly because the MT32 has
lousy dynamic range.

On the plus side, the "warm" distortion type really is warm, and the two
spring reverb simulations (2 spring and 3 spring) do sound very much
like the springs on my Fender Super.  The digital delay loudness
problem is only a problem when I'm trying to do a single delay, beat-
and-a-half trick (those of you who've done this know what I'm talking
about).  Since I almost never do that trick, it's not a practical
issue.

Overall, it's difficult to get a completely unusable tone out of this
thing.  I had an ART SGE Mach II, and it could do nearly everything,
but since then I've decided that I want a processor that does less,
but does it well.  I've been getting some excellent usable tones out
of the GS-6, the hum-cancel is excellent, the controls are real knobs,
the mid-EQ has a variable frequency...
I like it.

There.  Now that I like it, mail me and let me know why I should hate it.
Keep in mind that I play blues and concentrate on subtle tone changes
rather than seeing how many mind-numbing effects I can stack onto 
a good initial tone.

Thanx.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Jimi Page & The Yardbirds (was Re: Using a bow?)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.151854.12765@watson.ibm.com>
platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt) writes:
 
>Page's first application of the bow was to 'Dazed and Confused.'  Got the idea
>from David McCallum of all people...
 
Close, but although Page may have used it on the ripoff version of that
song (_I'm Confused_) while in the Yardbirds, the first *recorded*
instance of Page's bowing was on the song _Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Sailor_
on the Yardbirds "Little Games" LP. Recently released on the CD "The
Yadrbirds 'Little Games Sessions & More'" EMI E2-98213. This 2 CD set
contains many alternate takes and some previously unreleased material.
The sound quality is excellent & is highly reccomended for the Page/Yardbirds
fan.
 
According to the liner notes, he got the idea from a violinist who asked
if he'd ever tried using a bow on the guitar. Page was not the first to
try it, either.
 
Get this CD especially if you want to hear the quintessential Page solo
(i.e. _Think About It_). Americans 29 years or older will likely enjoy
the Yardbird's radio commercial for "Great Shakes". Techno fans will get
a kick out of _L.S.D._ (the song, of course ;-)! )
 
--Eric
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From: kari@jasmin.ics.uci.edu (Kari Forester)
Subject: Melissa Etheridge request
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:38:45 GMT


Hi.  I've been lookin everywhere for the music to Melissa Etheridge's
first album.   Does anyone have any chords or tab to any of those
songs?  In particular I'm looking for:

Similar Features
Like the Way I Do
Precious Pain
Bring Me Some Water

Thanks,   Kari
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: musicman@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Rebholz)
Subject: Re: Why so few people have perfect pitch
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:51:25 GMT

In <BtnH8C.G0q@news.larc.nasa.gov> goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich) writes:

>From what I understand about this, it is generally accepted that anyone
>can attain perfect pitch with proper training...

The general thought in the music realm is that you can't attain it.  You can
attain relative pitch, but not perfect pitch.  Perfect pitch is something that
is a gift.  I know several people with perfect pitch, and they say that it is
something they just are able to do.  They didn't train it or anything.  

You can, with proper training, attain relative pitch.  I have now developed it.
The program that everyone is citing, is good at developing relative pitch, but
that is all it developes.  It gives you relative pitch on many notes, rather
than just one.


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	                   musicman@camelot.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper)
Subject: Re: Strap buttons
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:02:22 GMT

You should try a sax type strap. A loop goes over your neck, then there
is a cord which goes down the back of the guitar and around the curved waist
of the guitar... at the end of the cord a  plastic hook which you slip
into the soundhole and you can support your guitar this way without
having to drill any holes or put on strap buttons.

RGDS -=ROB=-

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   Finnish State Computer Centre  /   Molbio/software: harper@nic.funet.fi
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From: crowe@steamers.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Crowe)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Band seeks drummer
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:28:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: crowe@steamers.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: steamers


Band Seeks Drummer
------------------
The band I'm in has lost it's drummer, so we're out looking for a
new one.  We're based in Santa Cruz and Los Gatos, CA, so we're
looking for someone who lives within driving distance.  Here's
the lowdown:

MUSIC:  REM, U2, Jesus Jones, Elvis Costello, Talking Heads,
        and various old rockers like Hendrix, Doors, Stones, etc.
        Some originals, but not enough to fill sets.

ATTITUDE:   We do this as a hobby, for fun.  We all have careers, 
        and music doesn't pay our bills.  We want to sound as good
        as possible.  The main focus is to enjoy making music.

LEVEL:  We've all played in various bands for several years, so I
        guess I'd classify us as semi-professional.

GOALS:  We've gigged occasionally with this band before our drummer
        had to leave.  We'd like to do more of it, maybe once a
        month or so.  We also like to record.

FORMAT: Two guitars, one bass, looking for a drummer.  We might be
        adding keyboards as well.

If you're interested, email me at:

    Robert.Crowe@Eng.Sun.COM
From: louie@cbnewse.cb.att.com (louis.m.leciejewski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: FORSALE: LANEY 4x12 SPEAKER CABINET
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:39:48 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: AT&T





       FOR SALE: FOR GUITAR / BAND  USE: 


                 MY SON IS SELLING A LANEY 4x12 SPEAKER CABINET WHICH
                 
                 CONTAINS CELESTION 12 INCH SPEAKERS. PLEASE NOTE THAT 
  
                 THIS UNIT REQUIRES THE USE OF AN AMP "HEAD" TO DRIVE 
 
                 THE SPEAKERS.










                 PRICE: $300


       If you are interested please call or send e-mail and I will have 
       my Son contact you directly. Thank You
       

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: nonstandard guitar techniques
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.232034.28066@tamsun.tamu.edu>, mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         ) writes:
|> Speaking of Bowing a guitar, I read this afternoon in MUSICIAN magazine
|> (at the bookstore) that Help Mfg.  is producing a bow for guitars that
|> is 4 inches long and has only one strand or filament.  They say it's only
|> good for "annoyingly scratchy" sounds.  


I've got one.  It has about as many strands as a violin bow, but it's
very short.  You're supposed to wear it on one finger and rub it back and
forth across a string or two.  It's curved, so in theory, you can single
out one of the interior strings.  I haven't used mine much, but it seems
to work fairly well.  It suffers from the same problem as a regular bow
though -- you have to use rosin, which leaves glop behind on your guitar
strings.

And since it's so short, you won't be able to get the long, smooth notes
that violin players get.  You're pretty much restricted to the kind of quick
scratching that Jimmy Page does in "The Song Remains the Same".  (Not a bad
restriction, actually...)

I can dig up the address of Help Mfg. for anyone who wants it, but it would
probably be faster to find their classified ad in a recent issue of
Guitar Player or Guitar World or Guitar School.


===========================================================================
Timothy Klein                 I wish I had a kryptonite cross.  Then I
timk@meaddata.com             could keep both Dracula AND Superman away.
...!uunet!meaddata!timk                               -- Jack Handey
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 12 string....
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 09:05:30 CST

In article <1992Sep3.220634.7681@walter.bellcore.com>
mirk@nim.ctt.bellcore.com (Andy Mirkis) writes:
 
>
>I was this close to buying it but I was a little uneasy with all
>the talk of Ovations spliting below the bridge.  I don't know of
>this happening first hand and the sales person said it was not a
>problem (as the dollar signs rolled in his eyes).  I like the action
>of the Ovations and the electronics are nice to have as well.  Anyone
>out there own an ovation 12 string??  Any comments??
>
>-Mirk
>
>
I've never seen one split below the bridge, but I have seen some develop
some serious cracks in the finish, and some that developed serious action
problems with age.  I generally don't like Ovations, but like their 12's
better than most 12's that I've played (I can smell the smoke from this
comment already).  I've been very impressed with the Guild 12's that I've
played (surprise surprise).  I've also been impressed with the Seagull
12's (which are available with an L.R. Baggs active pickups configuration)
for those of us who can't afford a Guild.
 
hope this helps
 
brian
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
From: springer@news.sara.nl
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Digitech Twin Tube
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:51:55 MET
Organization: SARA, Academic Computing Services Amsterdam (NL)

Hi,

I'd like to get some info about the Digitech Twin Tube. 
How does it sound compared to Marshall Valvestate amps?
Which effects does it have?
Does it have a headphone jack?

Thanks in advance,

Robbert Springer
springer@sara.nl
From: harper@godot.think.com (Jim Harper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re Dokken/Mr Scary
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:27:36
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

Check out back issues of Guitar for the practicing musician
I know I've seen it in there.

Jim
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,comp.music.notation
Subject: Re: ****MUSIC NOTATION PROGRAM****MSDOS****
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:37:48 GMT
 du.><1992Aug25.133610.12856@iplmail.orl.mmc.com><1992Aug25.165523.16655@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand

You can get the songwriter software from wuarchive.wustl.edu in
	mirrors3/archive.umich.edu/music/swriter.zip

From what I've seen of it, it is very good (it even plays MIDI through
your SoundBlaster).  I'm not sure how able it is to cope with professional
demands however.

Nat.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: FTP question
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:23:30 GMT

In article <9208251821.AA25885@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu> brownsbe@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (bill brownsberger) writes:
>Does anybody know if there is a way to get a listing of the ftp.nevada.edu
>songlist into a single UNIX file.  I would like to get a listing of all files
>(ls *) that are in the /pub/guitar directory.  I don't want the actual 
>contents of the files, just their names.

	Try the new INDEX file.

*******************************************************************************
* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
*******************************************************************************
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Django
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:58:13 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software, Santa Cruz CA

mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:

>Here's a Django story that shines a little light onto this enigmatic player.
>Please just enjoy this story; if you *really* want the reference, I can get
>it, but I like to keep moving ahead...

>Django didn't show up for a recital at Carnegie Hall on one (of many)
>occasions.  On his way to the theatre, he ran into a friend he hadn't
>seen on a long time, and they ended up going out drinking together.

>This was Carnegie Hall, not somebody's keg party!

	There is biography of Django with lots of stories like that.
He was an illiterate Gypsy.   He would often just split with a gypsy
caravan.    He had an egotistical self-image, he showed up for his US
tour without guitar, assuming that since he was so great, people would
give him lots of guitars.   He did not like American guitars, so the
tour did not go well.  

-don
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Don Steiny Software
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Tone deaf
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:27:27 GMT

Pardon me for my ignorance, but what is tone deaf? Is it the inability to 
distinguish two notes?


-- 
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serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ccarlson@eng.auburn.edu (Craig Carlson)
Subject: Re: TAB Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Reply-To: ccarlson@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:19:10 GMT

I've just recently begun reading this group.  I missed the TAB for Jesu,
but caught all the flames that followed that posting.  I would like a
copy, but I have checked the archive site ftp.nevada.edu, and didn't 
see it there.  Where can I find it?

Thanks,

Craig
From: tim@shovel.Prime.COM (Tim Cantin)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: FTP question
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:02:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Prime Computer R&D

Get the file pub/guitar/INDEX, that's what it's there for :)

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: lectro@milton.u.washington.edu (Jonathan E. Maier)
Subject: Led Zeppelin video footage wanted!
Reply-To: lectro@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:02:15 GMT

Hey All,

   This request may not really belong in this group, but I would really
like to get a hold of as much good quality Led Zeppelin video footage
as possible.  Please respond via email: lectro@u.washington.edu

PS.  If you're interested in Zeppelin, Richard Cole's biography "Stairway
To Heaven" is a good read.

  Jonathan E. Maier             # ## #                lectro@u.washington.edu
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  Weekend Operator             ## ## ##              University of Washington
  UCS Operations              ##  ##  ##                  Seattle, Washington
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 03:09:33 CDT
From: Mario Kefalopoulos <U15708@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: ****MUSIC NOTATION PROGRAM****MSDOS****
 <1992Aug25.165523.16655@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1992Aug26.144242.13188@scubed.com>
 <1992Aug26.161222.3368@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>

In article <1992Aug26.161222.3368@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>,
pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Wayne Francis) says:
>
>     I downloaded this program from msdos.archive.umich.edu last night
>and have it up and running, but the only thing I tried to do and couldn't
>was to save and store guitar chord diagrams I constructed. If anyone has
>any knowledge of how to do this I'd be quite interested.
>     By the way the ls command works to list filenames in the directories
>at that ftp site.
>
>W. Francis
>pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca

How did you construct the chord diagrams?!  I saw the fretboard symbol on the
list of symbols, but how do you get it on the staff and how do you put a chord
on it?  I've only played with it for an hour or so, but I had trouble figuring
out even how to put chords on the staff and how to have a treble and a bass
staff going for a song.  Is there a manual for SongWriter anywhere?  There are
many more things I haven't figured out yet.


[:> Mario
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Drumstick gutiar (bass)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 18:25:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

I've been following the bow/drumstick/dulcimer hammer/ballpoint pen/etc.
thread.  Here's a couple points:

1) I agree with posters who say not to avoid a technique because someone's
used it.  There's really only 12 notes in a (western) scale anyway, so
we're all 'ripping off', if that's how you define it.  Hell, maybe you
should just not get out of bed in the morning, hmmm?

2) Drumstick git is a difficult trick (I've tried it), but check out
drumstick *bass*...it works well, you can pull of chords, arpeggios,
single notes, etc. and it sounds very 'bouncy' and cool.  And next time
you listen to "Big Time" (Peter Gabriel/'So', Tony Levin on bass), listen
close to the bass tone and feel, then check the CD credits.  Yep, 'Tony
Levin, drumstick bass'.

3) Try *everything*.  Toothpicks, skis, beer bottles (what a novel idea!),
mic stands (I use that one, another 'novel' idea that looks good, and gives
a great slide effect; bass or git), body parts, girlfriends body parts, etc.
You *will* be surprised what that axe can do with a little thought and
craziness (and, OK, maybe a little chemical compulsion for the one coming
up with the ideas).


GO FOR IT!

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and explaining those funny parallel scars on my 'privates' to my SO)
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