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From: CTANSKI@ONONDAGA.BITNET (Chris Tanski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Flaming
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:51:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I've had to read this shit for the last week or so and I'm getting kind of
tired of it. I signed on to this list to learn more about VAX/VMS and I'm not
doing that. The description of INFO-VAX in the GLOBAL LIST file from Listserv
mentions nothing about the type of postings that can be sent to the list. It
doesn't say you need to be an expert or anything like that yet certain people
seem to think so. Now I own a list and my general policy is after flaming
someone twice you get removed from the list. I'm surprised certain people
haven't been removed yet or signed off themselves. If I flamed somebody like
some people do I'd be embarrassed because I acted like such a jerk. Why can't
you guys just answer the questions or calmly ask the person to provide more
info. I don't believe you flame people for not giving enough info. Maybe they
don't have more info. and that's why they're sending in the question| Ever
think about that?

Chris Tanski

Feel free to reply directly if you have something to say about the above.

ctanski@onondaga.bitnet   OCM BOCES
captanski33@snycorva.cortland.edu   SUNY Cortland
ctanski@nyx.cs.du.edu   Denver University
ag244@yfn.ysu.edu   Youngstown State University
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: VMSTAR help
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:07:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	I'm having problems with the version of VMSTAR on our system.

VMSTAR is not a standard VMS program.  It's a widely available DECUS/network
utility that many people have hacked on.  There are probably at least 10
versions of the thing around.  You yourself recognize this by saying you have
problems "with the version of VMSTAR on our system".  Did you consider telling
us what version it was, just in case someone knew of a problem with it?

								       It's
	probably a simple error, but the answer eludes me.  What happens is
	when I try to untar a file, the program only recognizes the first file
	in the archive and proceeds to untar ONLY that file.  I know the file
	isn't corrupt,

And just how do you know this?

		      just that VMSTAR won't for the life of me recognize the
	other files.

What happens when you ask VMSTAR to simply list the files in the archive?
Does it see only the first one?  Does it report a reasonable size for the
first one?  What?

How did this alleged tar file come into your possession?  Does your VMSTAR
work on other tar files?  On other tar files from the same source?

You say you can't "for the life of your" get VMSTAR to work.  That phrase in
common usage implies that you've tried a wide variety of things, expending
significant effort, without success.  WHAT have you tried?  What were the
results?

You are asking people to guess.  I COULD guess - I think with a reasonable
chance of guessing right - but I decline to beyond simply challenging your
bald statement that "the file isn't corrupt".  Think about it:  Computers are
not magical.  One of three things is happening:

	1. VMSTAR is broken;
	2. The file is corrupt;
	3. You are suffering from delusions:  VMSTAR is actually working
		correctly but your delusions are keeping you from seeing
		that.

You choose.
							-- Jerry
From: DMILLER%BSU.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET ("Prof. David Miller")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: 3rd party VAX manuals
Date: 20 Jan 93 15:42:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

This is a rather extensive list of VAX/VMS books - sorry, I just don't know
where you are in the learning process. If you can tell me more, I can make a
better recommendation - there are lots more!


                  Introduction to VAX/VMS - for new users.

Bynon, David W. and Terry C. Shannon, Introduction to VAX/VMS. Professional
Press

Peters, James, F. and Patrick Holmay, The VMS User's Guide. Digital Press

Sawey, Ronal M. and Troy T. Stokes, A Beginner's Guide to VAX/VMS Utilities
& Applications. Digital Press

Wright, Michael. VAX-VMS Primer, Contemporary Publishing Co.


                           Advanced VAX/VMS Users.

Anagnostopoulos, Paul, Writing Real Programs in DCL. Digital Press

Bynon, David W., Mastering VMS. Professional Press


                      Introduction to VAX/VMS Internals

Ellis, Bruce, The Hitchhikers Guide to VMS. Professional Press

Levy, Henrey M. and Richard H. Eckhouse, Jr., Computer Programming and
Architecture - The VAX. Digital Press

Miller, David Donald. VAX/VMS Operating System Concepts. Digital Press


                         Advanced VAX/VMS Internals

Goldenberg, Ruth. VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures. Digital Press

Leahy, Lee and Jamie Hanrahan, VMS Advanced Device Driver Techniques.
Professional Press

McCoy, Kirby, VMS Files System Internals. Digital Press


                                  Addresses

Contemporary Publishing Co.
508 St. Mary's Streen
Raleigh NC 27605
Ph: 919-821-4566

Digital Press
(Call DEC Direct or 1-800-DIGITAL)

Professional Press Inc.
101 Witmer Road
PO Box 446
Horsham, PA 19044-0446
Ph: 215-957-4265
FAX: 215-957-1050
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From: simons/G=Colin/I=CB/S=Sewell/O=H.A.Simons.Ltd/OU=CORP@mhs.attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DECnet Phase V address to nodename translation
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:18:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I am currently working with DECNet Phase V software and was wondering
if anyone has a short example program of calling the $IPC system
service to translate a Phase IV node address to a Phase IV synonym
name. I know how to do this running under Phase IV, but the undocumented
$QIO interface is not supported under DECNet/OSI.

Thanx in advance ..


    colin sewell
    h.a.simons ltd.
    vancouver, bc
    "simons/g=colin/s=sewell"@mhs.attmail.com
From: ACSMARTIN@EKU.BITNET ("Bob Martin --> Acsmartin@eku.bitnet")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Postscript printing
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:55:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>This is probably an FAQ so reply directly. I have a postscript file stored on
>my VAX acct. I need to know how to print it to a Stylewriter printer, attached
>to a Mac. Thanks.
>
>Chris Tanski

You can't! A StyleWriter is a QuickDraw printer.

However, if it is an EPS file there are a few programs that'll read the
file. Regardless you generally need to send the file to a psotscript
printer. I have heard of a program that converts RAW Postscript into a
text file but have NOT ever seen it.

-Bob Martin -- acsmartin@eku.bitnet
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: command procedure calling
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:03:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	>When a command procedure is called by another command procedure 
	>their is always a return to the calling command procedure.
	>Is there a possibility to NOT return to the calling procedure?

	Well, you *COULD* execute the command:
		$ MCR DCL
	(don't do this;  it deletes your process, but it does *NOT* return to
	the calling procedure :-).

	There's no documented way to exit from the entire stack of DCL
	procedures in a single command....

Hey, Carl, can't you RTFM?  Or TFHF (Help File).  From HELP STOP Examples:

      4.    $ ON ERROR THEN STOP
              .
              .
              .

      In a command procedure, the ON command establishes a default  action
      when any error occurs in the execution of a command or program.  The
      STOP command stops all  command  levels.   If  this  ON  command  is
      executed  in  a  command  procedure  which  in turn is executed from
      within another procedure, control  does  not  return  to  the  outer
      procedure, but to DCL command level 0.

STOP is the documented way to exit the entire procedure nest.

							-- Jerry
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: SYSUAF.DAT access?
Date: 20 Jan 93 13:51:51 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	I have an user I would like to grant access to "run authorize", and
	NOTHING else.  Yes I know this is stupid, but he works for the
	comptroller.

	I tried adding an ACE for the user on file SYSUAF.DAT, but he still
	can't access the file.  Does VMS prohibit this?  I really don't want
	to use SYSPRIV or BYPASS!

There is nothing special at SYSUAF.DAT; access to it is controlled using the
usual mechanisms.

Without knowing more about what ACE you added and how "can't access the file"
manifests itself, it's impossible to guess as to what is going wrong.

							-- Jerry
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Editing a large file
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:02:52 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <21JAN199314094029@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>, uugblum@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (VMScluster Administrator) writes:
>Some of our Cray programs produce very large (~80,000 blocks) ASCII output
>files which are sent to the VAXcluster for review.  TPU and EDT don't work
>well with large files.  I think the editors read the entire file into memory
>so the performance is poor if it works at all.  One work-around could be to
>break the large file into several smaller files.  Does anyone know of a DECUS
>utility which can do this?  Does anyone else have another suggestion?

How about:
	$ EDIT/TECO filename
:-)
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: GREG@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU (Tigger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Tracking DECW$DISPLAY
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:02:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Is there any way (such as a code to $GETDVI) to examine a _WSAn: device
created with the SET DISPLAY command and determine what node it points
to (ie the value of the /NODE qualifier to the SET DISPLAY)?

Greg Orman
greg@pomona.claremont.edu
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: SYSUAF.DAT access - the real world
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:12:51 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <9301202243.AA01736@uu3.psi.com>, leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter) writes:

One could always set up a privileged captive account that would:
	$ BACKUP SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT-
		disk:[comptroller]SYSUAF.DAT;1/OVER
	$ SET FILE/OWNER=comptroller disk:[comptroller]SYSUAF.DAT;1
	$ SET PROT=O=RWED disk:[comptroller]SYSUAF.DAT;1
Then let the comptroller first log in to that account to get a new copy of
SYSUAF.DAT, then log in to his own account to run AUTHORIZE.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: ?modifying mail profile?
Summary: more tools for modifying others mail profile
Keywords: mail profile modify question
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:44:11 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.vms
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

I'm pretty sure that I want to set all my users mail profiles to have
auto_purge set on. Mostly students as users, but everyone is eating up
disk/quota with deleted mail messages and few people set it on for
themselves.

But is seems that MAIL will only let system users modify forwarding
addresses (for VMS 5.4-2). And not modify any other options.

Thanks to Bob Marshall for sending me a copy of MAILUAF.COM for
modifying the profile data. But that procedure doesn't seem to know
about the auto_purge flag.

So my questions

1. Does anyone have a small procedure for doing exactly what i want ?
   To turn on auto_purge for any or all users listed in the mail
   profile.

2. What are the flag settings ?
   I'll try hacking up MAILUAF.COM into something that can do the job
   for me (i can do DCL programming) but what are the bit settings
   inside that flag variable that controls the auto_purge setting.

3. How does one get listed in the mail profile ?
   I'll want to set auto_purge to on for any new users that i add from
   now on, and so will use that small procedure (see 1 & 2 above) for
   the setting from inside my add_user procedure.
   But i've looked at the existing mail profile data file and see that
   not all users have a mail profile record.
   Do you not get a record until you have mail ?
     If thats true then my add_user could send mail to the new user then
     make the setting for auto_purge right away.
   But some users who have logged on don't have a record. Is it bacause
   they don't have any mail ?
     This seems to be true for anyone who has set forwarding to a
     different system.

Any help is appreciated.

John Andrea
andrea@essex.stfx.ca

VAX System Manager, St. F. X. University, Antigonish, NS  CANADA
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: not@inmos.co.uk ('o-Dzin Tridral / Brian O'Donovan)
Subject: Re: command procedure calling
Reply-To: not@inmos.co.uk ('o-Dzin Tridral / Brian O'Donovan)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:42:53 GMT

In article <ERMIMWEI.20@er.ele.tue.nl?> ERMIMWEI@er.ele.tue.nl (Wim Beckers) writes:
>When a command procedure is called by another command procedure  their is 
>
>always a return to the calling command procedure.
>
>Is there a possibility to NOT return to the calling procedure?
 
put
$ STOP
in the called procedure.

This gets you out of all levels of command procedure nesting immediately.

I hope this helps.

  Cheers,

    'o-Dzin  


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From: mcdonald@vax1.umkc.edu (Gary Lee McDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How are the Alpha workstations?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:41:19 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

In article <C14Hrx.FzA@dscomsa.desy.de>, tjl@zws006.desy.de (Tim Llewellyn) writes:
> 
> .... but rereading your question there is no TCP-IP services for AXP VMS yet
> (at least not that I'm aware of). Also infoserver support (LAD) ain't
> there yet.
> 

Don't know about DEC's support, but we've been using a beta version of
Multinet's software on an Alpha since late last year and it works great!
Of course, that's no surprise.  :-)

> --
> Tim Llewellyn
> ZEUS02::TJL, TJL@ZEUS02.DESY.DE, TJL@SIVA.BRIS.AC.UK
> 
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From: system@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: CDA-Viewer mystery
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:33:35 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:29:07 CET

Hi,

I have a problem with the MOTIF-1.0A-CDA-VIEWER.
I use that tool to display ps-files. If I log into the consol, everything works,
but if I use an X-Terminal I can't select the conversion PS, because there is
no PS menu-item.

Has someone seen this, too?

Regards 
Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann
Univ.Konstanz
Germany
From: dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: SYSUAF.DAT access?
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:26:14 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <Stafford-200193094234@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <C14AKw.484@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil>,
>dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) wrote:
>> 
>> I have an user I would like to grant access to "run authorize", and
>> NOTHING else.  Yes I know this is stupid, but he works for the
>> comptroller.
>
>You will get the technical answer you need, but I have to ask
>what the rationalization is to grant this person such access?
>Is he a VMS security expert? <no, otherwise he would tell you
>how to set this up>  Does he know what he's doing?  Or is he
>just going to add accounts which can be done through a captive
>procedure?
>
>curious

He works for the department that bought the system.
I am simply System Manager :-).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson)
Subject: Re: command procedure calling
Reply-To: olin@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:45:33 GMT

In article <1k4p20INNjbq@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
>There's no documented way to exit from the entire stack of DCL procedures in a
>single command.

Yes there is; it's the STOP command.

Steve

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From: VOELS@usmv01.usm.uni-muenchen.de (Stephen A. Voels)
Subject: QD-33 NOVRAM Parameters for M2372K
Organization: University Observatory Munich, FRG 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:37:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


     Could someone send me the NOVRAM parameters for an Emulex QD-33
controller that are needed to attach a Fujitsu M2372K disk.

Thanks,


Stephen A. Voels
Uni.-Sternwarte Muenchen     Internet:  voels@usm.uni-muenchen.de
Scheinerstr. 1               Voice:     +49-89-92209437
8000 Muenchen 80  FRG        FAX:       +49-89-92209427
From: dragon@NSCVAX.PRINCETON.EDU (Mighty Firebreather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: command procedure calling
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:27:13 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	Wim Beckers <ERMIMWEI@er.ele.tue.nl> writes:
>
>When a command procedure is called by another command procedure  their is
>
>always a return to the calling command procedure.
>
>Is there a possibility to NOT return to the calling procedure?

	Yes!

	The second procedure can LOGOUT or STOP /ID=0!

	What are you trying to accomplish?


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From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: need xmodem for VAX
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:10:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

> Does this "new C-Kermit" provide a superset of the functionality of 
One thing the new C-Kermit does is execute scripts and allows you to dial 
out from batch.  I'm pretty sure you can't do this with Kermit32. 
(Couldn't with the one we had, anyway.)

I think before I had trouble transferring executables with Kermit32 between
VMS systems  and getting them to run, but that is not a problem with C-Kermit.

Alan Moore                              alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
System/Network Manager, Postmaster      (317)983-1437
Earlham College
Richmond, IN
From: blair@snogum.enet.dec.com (Blair Phillips - Digital)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VAXC divide problems (V3.2)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: Blair@snogum.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan22.231842.4799@eco.twg.com>, reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.060311.5226@cs.rit.edu>, whd0675@cs.rit.edu (Walter H Dick, III) writes:
>|>A statement in VAXC such as:
>|>
>|>   i = (x + 511) / 512;
>|>
>|>generates ten or so instructions.  Is there anyway to get it to generate:
>|>
>|>   ADDL3  #511,x,R0
>|>   DIVL3  R0,#512,i
>
>That's funny, when I compiled this function:
>
>func( int x )
>{
>    int         i;
>
>    i = (x + 511) / 512;
>    return( i );
>}
>
>VAX C V3.2-044 generated this code:
>
>	.entry	func,^m<>
>	subl2	#4,sp
>	addl3	#511,4(ap),r0
>	divl2	#512,r0
>	ret

If x is unsigned int rather than int, you get an unholy mess of code.

There are two reasons for this:
1. The VAX doesn't have an unsigned divide operation, so the compiler generates
   code to cater for different combinations of signs in the dividend & divisor.
2. The compiler does a lousy job of optimizing unsigned arithmetic. In
   particular, it treats a constant divisor exactly the same as a variable,
   generating lots of useless conditional branches and dead code.

The fix is simple - use a shift op instead. 

func( unsigned int x )
{
    int         i;

    i = (x + 511) >> 9;
    return( i );
}

generates

func:
        .entry  func,^m<>
        subl2   #4,sp

        addl3   #511,4(ap),r0
        extzv   #9,#23,r0,r1
        movl    r1,r0
        ret     

>
>Don't ask me why it allocated space on the stack without using it, 

I think the stack space is for the condition handler.
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