HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: C&E
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 15:18:45 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents

C&E = the modern agony over Creationism vs Evolutionism.

C&E is a flail, a penance for being wicked (same etymology as Wicca,
witch, wizard, Viking . . .) and sinful. Something like being stuck on
the Sansaric wheel in microcosm. AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!  '''''sob'''''' 8-{

You will find it also being used as the name for certain Fidonet
*Message Areas* on Xtian BBSs, wherein the various protagonists and
antagonists flog each another with it.

Gil

--
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Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: night and winter
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:33:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.002555.743@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu> unixcorn@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Madelyn T. Gould) writes:
>
>I don't think She made a bad season.

Have you ever been to Philadelphia in August? ;-)

>Just testing the waters, 
>Bless the Work
>
>-- 
>
>unixcorn  (alias Madelyn Gould) @dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU
>
>There's a unicorn in the garden and he's eating a lily.

Blessings,
Janis
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: an idea for the net.women
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:05:09 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin

Thank you Janis!  What a great idea.

I have never understood why so many women are squeamish about their
own menstrual blood.  Perhaps it's just all that conditioning
("unclean, unclean"), but I've never really had that problem.  Ever
since menarche, I have seen "the Curse" as nothing but a blessing,
because it means that if I choose, I can have children.  That rusty
stuff on the inside of my underwear is proof of the power of creation
inside of all women -- a power that, whether we choose to wield it or
not, is staggering.  And if we choose to wield it metaphorically
instead of literally (after all, creation is creation, whether it's a
baby or a novel or a song or a sculpture or whatever), it is no less
awesome.

This is one of the reasons that seeing "God" as feminine seems
infinitely sensible to me.

Actually, maybe having the painting party for a girl at menarche would
be a good passage ritual -- showing her that she can create with her
woman's blood, that it's not dirty, that she's not dirty for having
it.  Having just had a daughter 12 weeks ago, I'm ever in the market
for appropriate things to do with her while rearing her to be a pagan
woman in today's world.  

Once again, thanks, Janis!  I *definitely* think you have an entry for
your Book.

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Princess Cards [Was tarot decks]
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:01:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Jessica A. Darago <JD3415A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>The Crowley Deck,...
>It's the only deck I've encountered that has
>the Princess cards instead of Pages, and my card is Crowley's Princess of Cups.

The Cosmic Tarot by Norbert Losche has Prince and Princess cards.

I'll also mention the "mother/father/daughter/son" breakdown in several of my
decks, including the Motherpeace and the Elemental.

My favorite deck, the pendragon, uses pages, but they are very clearly
young women.

Lena
From: liam@alehaus.uucp (liam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Houston trio needs ride to CMA Samhain
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 20:18:47 CDT
Organization: The Alehaus, a Brewer's Witch affiliate, alehaus@brewich.hou.tx.us

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> 
> Well net.people, my car is now dead, D-E-A-D, dead.  My husband, my
> roommate, and I had planned to go to the CMA Samhain this year.  
> We plan to get my roomate's car fixed (his is fixable), but it may
> not be ready in time.  
> 
> Is there anybody in Houston, going to CMA Samhain, that has room for
> 3 bodies? and gear?

 I am going, but I'm afraid that I can't help you out witha ride as I 
have no steed of my own :( but if it changes, I will let you know.
> 
> We may not need it (if the car gets fixed) but I'd like to make 
> provisions just in case.
> 
> Speaking of which.....which weekend is CMA Samhain.  I haven't heard.
 It is on the weekend of oct 16.
> 
> Blessed be and THANKS!!!!
> Tammy

btw agroupof friends and myself usually caravan up to the event, eMail me 
for more Info...
                                Blessed Be,
                                         Liam

------------------
%A@%n (%W)
Origin: The Alehaus -- Houston, TX -- 
     "Old witches never die....they just move in different circles"
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rob@netcom.com (Robert Rogers)
Subject: Re: tarot decks
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 23:31:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: I like the Crowley deck.
Distribution: usa
Keywords: tarot

In article <Bv2Jo2.1JF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jonesrl2@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Richard Jones) writes:
>	I'm new here, and I was wondering if someone could help me out.  
>I am planning on buying a tarot deck, but I don't know which one I should
>get.  I was thinking of the Rider-Waight (sp?) deck, but then I saw an ad 
>for the "Celtic Tarot" deck.  What I want, is one that has actual pictures
>on each of the cards, not a deck where all of the minors look pretty much 
>the same.  Does any one know if the Celtic Tarot deck is what I am looking
>for, and if not, do you have any other suggestions? thanks in advance.
>			
>					Richard
>

I'm not a huge fan of Crowley, but I think his deck is a work of art.
By far the "deepest" artwork and symbolism. Every card is a piece of work
all by itself.

I'm not sure about the "official" name, but it's printed by U.S. games
(aren't they all?)

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From: thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: men's spirituality (was Re: New Pagans and Reading)
Keywords: do it thineself
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:06:30 CDT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

> "true" faith is as messaed up in the head as a Fundie Christian. If you
> really are a shining example of Asatru attitudes at Eagles Reaches, I
> doubt if I want to be associated with you in any sort of religious setting
> or organization. Tolerance is the watch word of the day. If you can not be
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sir grendel,
   i guess i did do you a disservice when i told you of the prevailing 
attitudes of the time of eagles reaches toward you. because of my senseless
praise your ego did get inflated. i now apologize for my lack of tact in my 
earlier post and please rememberr what i am about to say is not personal, think
of it as therapy.
   this is for airing troth laundry in this public forum and is only being 
done in front of strangers and not our troth "family" (learn your norse 
traditons about "family problems") to drive home a point. ( anyway i doubt
anyone here will catch the full implications of this wording anyway)

     "I feel that you are less than yourself and every ninth night you are as
a she goat in heat among the rams of the field bearing the children of three
headed ice thurs every ninth night thereafter."
   
   this is not done in malice and anyway i doubt anyone would know the full
impart of it anyway. (have you heard of keeping family matters in the family)
anyway, i do not bear a grudge and still think of you as a brother in troth.
although i am disapointed in your lack of decorum.

    "When each can speak all his mind to the other,
         friendship is shared.
     Anything is better than fickleness.
     He is no friend, whose words are always fair."
                                            ----havamal 124

     "Ill tempered the wretch,
       who laughs at everyone.
      He cannot recognize, as he should,
      that he is not without faults."
                                            ----havamal 22
   once again i still feel i can call you brother. 

well met and wassail
Thomas of House Hoffman

From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:05:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Malvina Reynolds was:  Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Pagan music again (was Re: Mysterious Ways)  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:43:05 GMT

In article <BvLoLJ.5wt@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>
>Well this is interesting.. As far as I know or am concerned there is
>no such thing as appropriate music for pagans..but there is a certain
>leaning towards folk, recorder, and a capella that I lean towards for
>pagan ritual ( ala Libana, etc ).

I can't believe I forgot to mention this, BUT . . .

If you want REALLY unbelievable ritual music, or just stuff to blow your
mind, get a Nonesuch catalogue (they put out really neat stuff) and get
anything that has to do with (ready?) Bulgarian women's choir.  The
sound they make cannot be duplicated anywhere else in the world, and it
will jerk you right off your feet.  You will (I did) stare at the
speaker, unable to believe that that incredible, mesmerizing sounds is
being produced by human voices.  It WILL make your jaw hang.

Blessings,
Janis
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Cussin' (was: re: who do you kneel to when you pray?)
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:12:02 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Sep27.014847.5739@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <1a108bINN9qa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood) writes:
>>
>>	"Jesus ate a can of beans!" -- lifted from a Steven King novel
>
>Then there's the ever popular "Cheese and crackers! Got all muddy!"
>
>And don't forget "Frack!" and "Felgercarb!" from Battlestar Galactica.
>
>Bb,
>
>Corun

	When a friend of mine was trying to stop cursing, he and I came up
with this: (I think it may be ripped off from somewhere, in part)

	By the gastro-podial mucicilious membranes of the demon slime-
suckers of the seventh moon of the second planet farthest from the sun in
the Tekton system, which were nearly made extinct when a starship from a 
soap manurfacturing corporation accidentally crash-landed on the planet,
spewing soap all over the landscape, destroying the demon's slime ranges,
so that only a few survive, flying through the galaxy sucking only the very
best slime.

	It made him quit cursing.  It took me two months to get back to
expletives that take less than 30 seconds to recite.  :(

|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu |                -me      |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:26:53 GMT

conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten) writes:
> I don't have any spiritual respect for any Being (supernatural or
> otherwise) who feels the need to be worshipped.  As far as I'm concerned,
> any Being who has a need to be worshipped has some sort of psychological
> problem and therefore is certainly not worthy of worship.  QED.

Ditto!

And any being who/that shows such jealousy that s/he/it won't allow
any competition of any kind has some serious problems, and needs to
grow up!

Blessings, even to jealous gods (who happen to need the blessings more
than any of the rest of us).

		-- radzy

------------------------------------------------------------
					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
------------------------------------------------------------
Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:04:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

Janis,

 Your poetry and your postings remind me of a poem I wrote this summer:

            Nice Girl
 
What does a nice girl look like?
Have you ever seen one?
Are you sure?
 
Is she a nice girl over there,
the one with the delicate face
and the white dress
that goes below the knee?
 
What is "nice" anyway?
Is it remaining a virgin until you get married?
Is it being cheerful and uplifting?
Is it helping children and old ladies?
Is it keeping your mouth shut
so a lewd comment won't
slip out?
 
Aren't most of us told we aren't nice
just as soon as
we start to feel
good about our bodies,
as soon as we get little budding breasts,
as soon as we start wondering what sex is like,
as soon as we start wanting Daddy?
 
Then aren't we told again
that we aren't nice
as soon as we experiment
with sex, alcohol, and other drugs?
 
Aren't we called bitches when we
trust our own judgment,
form our own opinions,
make our own rules?
 
Who wants to be nice anyway?
 
 
Barclay Blanchard
July 1, 1992


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: editing
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:03:28 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 314da141fb12760a75b717f0250015e8

wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
>wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>
>> In <ReBoRB4w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writ
>> >Picayune, yes, but net ettiquette involves editing out quoted material so 
>> 
>> Excuuuuuuse me?  Like all other etiquette, politeness on the net means
>> to use (un)common sense when dealing with a situation.
>
>A masterful mini-flame, Mr. Wolfe. 
>
>For those newcomers to the group, brought in by the onset of school and 
>university related connections, Mr Wolfe is reminding me that you will 
>use common sense, and learn to use your editors, those that have them, so 
>as not to leave more quoted message than necessary when following up
>another's post.

Will?  Will?  How about *should*?

The point is, folks will find out soon enough that if they continuously
overinclude too much quoted material, or don't pay attention to spelling
and formatting elements in their postings, that other net.readers will
not be paying attention to their posts.

The flip side is that the readers should be patient with newcomers andor
those without the capabilities to observe the "preferred" forms.

For example, Elfkin has some important things to say, but also has
very difficult challenges to deal with when posting.  Despite the form,
I have a lot of respect for Elfkin's determination to post despite the
flames and ignorance.  IT would be a shame for the folks here to drive
away someone who is truly interested in the topics simply beacuse they
are more concerned with form than with content.

Personally, I'd like to run all of my postings against an interactive
spell-checker or style analyzer, but between space and time limitations
on the machine, the lack of software, and the feeling that communicating
is more important than worrying about how I "look and feel", I opt to
send out the occasional misspellings and run-on sentences and $10 words.

The process of net communications is a fascinating study, but it should
not get in the way of listening to what the other person has to say. 
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC         [use the maps!]
UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!wolfe   ...duke!wolves!wolfe    <Standard disclaimers>
Domain: wolfe%wolves@cs.duke.edu    wolfe@cds.duke.edu
    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:49:42 GMT

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
>> I could never understand why he would want an airhaid, or how he could
>> even *tolerate* one!

c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
> 	I dunno about intentionally seeking out an airhead, but just because
> somebody is "intelectually challenged" and been hit over the head with
> "traditional famile values" until she believes them doesn't mean she can't
> really care about people, and really want to help those who are "happiness
> challenged".  And often enough for me just somebody WANTING to help, does.

No, it certainly doesn't.  Most people are basically good
people, and most people want to help others when others are in
trouble.  And it's true that, at times, the desire to help is
all that's necessary.  But I'd have a really hard time trying to
*live* with a person who wasn't willing to stick up for
her-/him-self.  It would simply drive me *NUTS* to try to live
with someone who always backed down!  I believe I know what kind
of person I would turn into, and I don't like that thought.

I don't have a problem having such people as friends, and I know
that those people are often kind, sensitive people.  But having
one as an SO is simply something that I can't understand.  It
isn't really something about *them* that I object to -- it's
something about *me*.

Blessings!

		-- radzy

------------------------------------------------------------
					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
------------------------------------------------------------
Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Oh Bother!
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:17:04 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin

lyt@aber.ac.uk (Lynda Ann Thomas) writes:
>Ailsa Murphy says:
>>Oh Bother!
>and wants to know who else does.
>
>If it's not Miss Manners it ought to be!

Being an avid reader of both Judith Martin and A.A. Milne, I can
assure you that "Oh Bother!" is a favorite saying of one Edward Bear,
otherwise known as Winnie the Pooh.

>Blessed Be
>Lynda

Tiddley-pom.

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:23:49 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:

> 
> I was wondering if anyone has collected a list of pop stars who are decidedly
> non-Christian.  I can think of a few off-hand... the Red Hot Chili Peppers
> (according to a friend of mine) claim to be Satanic, Tears for Fears are athe
> as are XTC, I believe.  Anyone else have contributions?  Thanks!
> 
> --
> Bart -Laz- Smith
> Kansas State University
> 'Cats - 35, Temple - 14... a MUCH more satisfying win!  :)
> "Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
> 	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
> 	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
> 	same philosophy in their driving..." 
> 				-- "Frank's Chair" -- 2nu -- Ponderous


Frank Zappa's an Atheist
Most if not all of the band Devo were Subgeniuses.
Some of the Del Fuegos were Subgeniuses.
/.s

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From: kali@milton.u.washington.edu (embrace the void)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: tarot decks
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:52:41 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


 I have the Rider Waite deck, and am likely to have it until I design my
own and get someone to do the artwork, and I do not recommend it.  Waite
spent his creative and spiritual energies, as far as I can tell, rebelling
from Christianity, and that is the main tention that infuses his deck.

On the other hand, it is cheap.

I really liked the Jungian deck, and if I had excess funds, would probably
buy it.  I do a great many (well, @5/week) for friends and acquaintences,
and often think longingly about the other deck.
From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Subject: Food Blessings
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:52:04 GMT


Greetings all!

I'm in the middle of a supervised fasting process.  I'm doing this to
clean out my digestive system and to become more aware of how I interact
with food.  (No addictions, just unconscious and lazy most of the time -
it's hard to get inspired to make a meal from scratch when I live alone. :-)

Today is my first day back to solid food after 5 days of juice (which went
fine - didn't notice any lowering of energy; in fact I had *more* since my
body didn't have to digest any food!).  Every bite has felt very sacred
and delicious.  I shopped for fresh organic fruits and veggies, which is
all I eat today.  There are 4 more days of the reintroduction process, and
then back to a "normal" diet.  I've really been enjoying this! 

My question for y'all: what do you say/sing/do for your food blessing?  Do
you do this at every meal?  What about snacks? *grin*

I've written the words to what I want to be a song, but the music hasn't
come yet.  And I have a lovely body-honoring blessing that includes food
awareness as *part* of it.  But what I'm looking for specifically are
songs, prayers, first-few-bites processes that give thanks for the food. 

Thanks!

BB,

- Gretchen
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