From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex on the beach
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:56:04 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <l8opdkINN9kb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM
(Dances with Drums) writes:

> 	So you wouldn't mind it being in your drinking water or water
> you swim in?  


Our bodily fluids are 100% all natural.  How can you be harmed by that? ;-)



That sillyness aside, allow me to address the following two paragraphs:

> 	Anyway. Get a clue -- I said if it isn't harming anyone then you
> can do it.  Me having sex on the beach isn't going to harm you, but
> you taking a dump is a documented health hazard.  It causes disease.
> This is a medically proven fact.  If you can document that me having
> sex with my girlfriend causes someone else any disease, you might
> convince me. 

> 
> 	Being natural is not the basis I believe sex on the beach or any
> personal act should be allowed.  The reason is that what harms none,
> and is done by yourself or between consenting adults should be 
> allowable.  That's the acid test.


There are other types of "harm" than just disease.  If you and your
boyfriend or girlfriend choose to have sex on the beach designated for
clothing optional use, I'll not be able to go there anymore.  "A Current
Affair" will show up!  The local prudes will shut down the area.  

You have harmed me.

"But it's 100% natural?  How can you be harmed by OUR sex?", they cry.

That's what I think is so funny about the 100% natural statement.  There
are *lots* of things that are 100% natural.  You've named a few (killing)
and I've hinted at a few.  I seriously doubt that you or I would want to
be around some of these.  Just because they are natural doesn't mean they
should be permitted.  I think each "activity" needs to be evaluated on it's
own merit.

Now, that said, let me say that I have no problem with you lobbying for
outdoor sex.  I don't think somebody should be arrested because Ranger Rick
happens upon them in their camp site while they are making love.  On the
other hand, I'd have not problem seeing people carted away for attempting
sexual intercourse at 12 noon in a cafeteria of the local elementary school.

Unless of course it's on a Saturday ;-)

I am willing to listen to arguments somewhere in between (but not on
rec.nude -- there's already alt.sex for such discussions).

One of the reasons that I oppose people having sex at a CO area was
demonstrated by a posting here in rec.nude not so long ago; remember the
fellow who took a friend to the nude beach and found 2 1/2 couples having
sex?  This left quite an impression on the friend.  So many people view
nudity as a precursor to sex.  It's nice to be able to demonstrate that "It
Ain't Necessarily So!" [song from musical "Porgy and Bess" goes here].

Having sex in a CO area harms the CO area because the CO area is already
under scrutiny.  You can argue that sex is natural and a wonderful thing
and I will agree.  However, it will bring an end to the CO area.  The CO
area is simply not strong enough to bear the burden.

This is why I've argued for you to attempt your "movement" (no pun) at
the textile beach or under Macy's clock.  Neither of these venues will be
threatened by your protest/demonstration/wild-abandonment.  Using the CO
area for sex seems, to me, to make you a "wolf in nudist's clothing".

I personally use the test that any behavior that is "OK" clothed at the
beach is "OK" to do in the buff.  If you want to argue for public sex,
I'm willing to listen, but it's gonna be a hard sell.  I would just
appreciate it if "your" movement wasn't trying to tie itself along with "mine".

It may not be "fair", but that's the way I feel.  This has been reinforced
lately by comments I get whenever people find out I have a hot tub and that
I occasionally don't wear anything while using it.  A young woman was sure
that we are having ORGIES!  I hated to disappoint her, but I had to inform
her that my spouse and I aren't into such things.  Other's have warned some
of my single friends to beware!  My single friends were terribly
disappointed as well.


Anyway, there are ways to change public opinion.  They were posted in this
group a number of times.  I wish you luck in your movement.


BTW: I can't post this back into alt.sex because my news reader will not
post to newsgroups that I'm not subscribed too.  Sorry!  And with that
I think I'm finally done with this thread.  I promise!

Terry "nude while posting this -- REALLY!!!" Wood

PS:

>>I guess "sex" at the nude beach is OK with me too if you do it in a container.

> 	We'll do it on a towel or blanket -- just for you Terry!

Naaa!  Go right ahead an do it in the open.  I'm gonna give the kids buckets
of ice water and have 'em throw it on you!  Hey, kids will be kids after all!
It's only 100% natural!

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