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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:00:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.031552.17685@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>In article <CPM.92Jul27163911@clyde.clearpoint.com> cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com wri
>tes:
>>Do you really think they will go undefeated in their division? I predict
>>they go 5-3 in their division. Remember last year they split the season
>>series with the pathetic Patriots in two close games. Didn't the Jets
>>come within an eyelash of victory over the Bills last year only to lose
>>it on a bad play at the end of the game. Both of these teams have improved
>>from last year. Have the Bills?
>
>
>First, neither team has a shot against Buffalo at home.
>Almost no team does.
>The Jets would have a shot in New Jersey, EXCEPT they play

Much Bills Bantering Deleted

>Then they go down to Miami, theorectically things could get pretty
>rough resulting in a loss.
>
>>They will be lucky to go 11-5.
>
>The last time the Bills did worse than 11-5 was in the strike year.
>
More Bills Bantering Deleted

>>They had their chance to win the superbowl the last two years, but failed.
>
>Two years ago after the Bills (who were favored and beat the Giants in 
>New Jersey during regular season play) lost the Super Bowl,
>I heard the same tune.
>
More Stuff Dlelted
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)
>
>A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
>while others are doing.

And of course all of this is purely speculation and last time I checked
speculation hadn't won a game all season. This is a brand new season this year
we'll see how good everybody is when the games begin. Until Sep.6 comes and
goes nobody really knows who is going to win or lose.

There is one fact that I see here, that is that the Jets, Dolphins and Colts
have taken great strides forward in improving their defenses while Buffalos
seems to have all the ingredients there to have another 27th ranked D this year.
The Bills will not be a successful team relying on offense alone. Witness the
Chargers of the Dan Fouts era. Your D is slowly disintegrating while your AFC
east opponents are building for the future.

The die hard Bills fans reminds me of the story of Nero fiddling while Rome
burned.

One thing for sure though, no amount of posturing either for or against the
Bills,Dolphins,Colts,Jets and Pats is going to make a bit of difference in the
outcome of the games or the outcome of the AFC east. Why don't we all kick back
crack open a Guiness, turn up the sound and watch the games. Let the teams
decide who wins and loses on the field rather than at the debates. And whoever
wins the AFC east I'll root for to win it all. How's that?

John
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer depth chart starters
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:35:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Jul30.193514.2196
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Jul30.183523.569@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.153608.26514@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...
>
>>In article <92211.21132432BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>>>
>>>>HB:   Vincent Workman
>>>
>>>I am hoping for real big things from Pookie this year.  He has the recieving
>>>skills and I believe he is going to  ^^^^^^
>>>
>>      Cute!
>
>That's his nickname - Pookie.
>
   Right, I knew that one, although I don't know how he got it. Does anyone
   know how he got it, or any other strange nicknames for football players?


>>   Overall, a little too much wishful thinking. They could win 6 or 7
>>   games if they start off well. 
>
>Yeah, 6 or 7 maybe.  Let's see that would be 2 wins against the Bears, 
>one each against TB, Minn, and the Lions.  Plus 1 or 2 elsewhere.
>
>JGH
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Cowboys?
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:29:21 GMT

In article <BrBIDy.43t@acsu.buffalo.edu> apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman) writes:
>
>	Are the Cowboys really that great, or are they a lot of hype? I
>remain unimpressed.
>
>
>Tom

I think that the Cowboys are for real. I am not a Cowboys fan per se, my dad
was, but I am a fan of Jimmy Johnson's. It took JJ 4 years at U of Miami to
get to national championship caliber. Mainly because he took that long to put
his system into play there. JJ is ripe to start in the NFL where he left off
in college football. I know he comes off looking like a dweeb but this guy
knows football, and more importantly, learns from past mistakes. I'm only sorry
Buddy Ryan is no longer a head coach in this league because nothing would
satisfy me more than to see JJ's Cowboys kick the living snot out of a Buddy
Ryan coached team.

I think in the NFC the Cowboys are the team to beat. I only hope the Dolphins
get a chance to do just that in the Superbowl.

John

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From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Browner could help Dallas!!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:30:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I do not understand why the Vikes released Browner. I thought he was solid
last year. I also think that he probably has a couple of good years in him. It
is not a secret that the cowboys secondary is not their strongest case. The
cowboys should give Browner a close look if they get a chance. Even though
James Wasshington is the most consistent performer in the cowboys secondary,
the mere presense of Browner will raise the intensity of the players around
him.

tell me if you agree of disagree.

AAA........
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: VIKINGS - Cut Joey Browner?
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:50:27 GMT
Organization: work

>/ hpdmd48:rec.sport.football.pro / melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) /  5:26 pm  Jul 22, 1992 /
>
> I saw on ESPN that Joey Browner has failed his Physical and has been cut. What
> is the story behind this? Wow, Minnesota is really going through a youth
> movement. Any info from Minnesota?
>
>							Mark
>							Go Vikings!
>
>>----------


	Word I heard was that Browner got fat and lazy. He didn't 
	play well last season, and with a contract around $1mil,
	he wasn't worth keeping.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:41:20 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.football.pro, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

->Joe Montana still says he feels like he's not getting much zip on the
->ball, and complains that his arm feels tired. He took half of Friday off,
->then did not throw Saturday or Sunday, then yesterday he threw only
->30 passes (he was scheduled to throw 40). He has been diagnosed as
->having "tired tendons", and has been advised to cut back for the rest
->of training camp. However, he is still scheduled to start Monday night
->against the Broncos.

This guy's turning into a joke.  Has Montana ever considered graceful
retirement or is his ego too inflated for that?

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
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From: bish@snoid.cray.com (Dave Bishop)
Subject: Packer Draft Picks - D'Onofrio
Followup-To: Packer Signings
Originator: bish@snoid
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:10:54 CDT

>Does anyone now where the negotiations with D'onafrio stand or 
>which vetrans are unsigned?

From the Green Bay Press Gazette:

Negotiations with rookies generally are facilitated when an NFL
team strikes a deal with the player or players chosen directly before
or after the player they are dealing with.  It tens to give both sides
concrete numbers to work with.

Apparently in D'Onofrios' case, the 34th pick, this is not true.

San Diego signed the 33rd pick, Marquez Pope, to a 3 year, $510,000 contract.
However, the 49ers signed Amp Lee, the 45th pick, to a 3 year $525,000 
contract.  Also the Giants signed Phillippi Sparks, the 41st pick, to a 
3 year, $535,000 contract.

D'Onofrio is reported to be asking closer to $550,000.
There is no report on what the Packers are offering.
D'Onofrios' agent, simply stated: "They were far apart..."


Go PACK!!
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From: cfrbj@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Bob Jorstad)
Subject: Re: VIKINGS - Cut Joey Browner?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:00:41 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

There are many of us Viking fans scattered all over the place; guess we
moved since the glory days.  Anyway we thirst for detailed information
about "our Vikes".  Just what are the Minnesota papers and sportscasters
predicting for the Vikes this year - we need to know.
	My own personal opinion is that we'll have to wait and see with
all the changes the team has made this year.  Let's have som comments from
you folks in the NorthStar state.
		BOB
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers news
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:32:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: G Sheffield + F McGriff Appreciation Society



QB Friesz signed yesterday. A two-year contract loaded with incentives.
The QB pecking order is Starter: Friesz, Backups: Gagliano, Graham &
O'Hara. Two backup spots available. O'Hara supposedly has a strong
arm and quick release.  

The only two guys not yet in camp, DL Joe Philips and OL Richards. 
Both are semi-important players. Expect them to be in by the end of
this week.



--Prashanth
  prash@bhaskara.ucsd.edu
  U of California at San Diego
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Texans of Dallas
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:11:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul31.061647.12002@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>>
>>>	Precisely, what became of the infamous Dallas Texans?
>>>
>>>Gary John (Collins)
>>
>>They moved to KC and became the Chiefs.  Unfortunately, I can't
>>remember the reason why they moved.  I don't think the Cowboys gave
>>the Texans that much trouble, or did they?  The Texans were more
>>successful for the time they shared the city.  
>
>More successful on the field, definitely -- the Texans were in the AFL title
>game two years in a row (1961 and '62), and won the AFL title in the
>infamous double-overtime-and-then-some game in '62 at then-Jeppesen Stadium
>in Houston.  The trouble was, no one wanted to pay to see them play -- in
>1960, the Cowboys drew almost as much for *one* game in the Cotton Bowl as
>the Texans did for their entire 1960 home schedule.  After three years of
>that, Lamar Hunt did the logical thing and headed up I-35 for Kansas City...
>
>Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems

But wasn't there also an earlier Dallas Texans team (NFL) -- now long since 
defunct?!  I've seen the NFL films clip of this scrappy and PATHETIC bunch 
of brawlers that fielded the likes of Pat Donovan et al.  In their brief 
history (1 season I think) they lost by HUGE margins, had attendance figures
of ~100 fans per game, and very few paychecks that didn't bounce.  They did
win one game against one of the best teams in the league that year.

After that, they were history.  

Any recollections?


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Bobby Humphrey
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:12:39 GMT

JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Does anybody know what is going on with Bobby Humphrey?  Has he showed for
>training camp?  Is he going to try to work out a contract with Denver now
>that Gaston Green has been signed for another year?

(I am resisting the temptation to make a sarcastic comment about how
SLAC is out of touch with current affairs.)

Humphrey was traded to the Dolphins two months ago.  It was a straight up
deal, and the Broncos got Sammie ``fumble on the goalline'' Smith.


--Gidi

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Packer depth chart starters
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.151405.27490@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.192211.9384@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes...
>
>>In article <1992Jul27.184606.12344@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>> 
>>>Looks like the Packers finally released a depth chart because the most 
>>>recent issue of Packer Plus contained the currently project starting 
>>>lineups:
>> 
>>John's source is the PP; mine is the 7/25/92 Green Bay Press-Gazette
>>(GBPG).  I'm not sure whether either is official, or if they're both
>>press projections.  Anyhow, take this with a grain of salt.
>
>Uh-huh.  I knew as soon as I posted a depth-chart someone with better 
>info than me would post a bunch of corrections.  I waited and waited 
>for someone post a depth-chart but NOOOOO.  :-)
>
>>>QB:   Don Majkowski
>> 
>>Favre & Detmer both benefitting from additional reps due to Tomczak's
>>holdout.
>
>Can you believe that guy?
>
 Hell no! He's nothing better than a good backup QB in the NFL.

>>>LWR:  Sterling Sharpe
>> 
 Speaking of Sterling, isn't everybody happy that he signed for 10 years
 (if that is actually the case). In my mind, you can group him with Reed
 and Rison as the best wideouts in the NFL, with the obvious exception of
 Jerry Rice who is in a league of his own.
>>>RG:   Tony Mandarich
  Today's Milwaukee Sentinel reported that he bruised his knee yesterday.
  It's always something or another with him. It would be great to see him
  finally bust out and have a big year, but I have my doubts.

>>>A mild surprise might be Sanjay Beach at WR.  Perry Kemp was destined 
>>>to lose the starting job but I thought they might list him #1 for now 
>>>because I'm sure the position is still wide open.
>> 
>>I don't think this has been decided yet.  But Kemp would be well
>>served to sign and report.
>
 I couldn't agree more!! Another should-be backup that has started for
 Green Bay.

 Salty

 p.s. I just signed up for this group about a week ago so I'd hate to
 bring up a dead issue, but what did you think about the Pack's choice
 of Buckley. IMHO Troy Vincent would have been a better choice. I really
 got tired of all the big-play crap that was talked about. FSU opponents
 had to throw the ball 'cause they were usually getting their ass kicked,
 while UW rarely faced a team that threw the ball regularly. And if they
 did, they surely didn't throw it Vincent's way. Also, I seriously doubt
 if Wisconsin would've won either of its first three games without big
 returns off interceptions, punts or kickoffs by Vincent. Big 10 teams
 just refused to be beat by the Badgers lone star.

 In the short term, you have to figure Vincent would be much easier to
 sign.
 Just throwing in my .02 worth ;)

   


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From: pjl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul J Landsberg)
Subject: Giants sign Derek Brown
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:08:40 GMT

As the subject line says, the Giants signed their number one draft
pick, Derek Brown. He is a big tight end that has some speed.
Dreams of Bavaro are probably playing through Handley's head.
If I heard correctly, Derek signed, reported to camp and LT hammered
him on a tackle, giving a nasty cut or two.

Paul Landsberg



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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Bills news...go figure
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.134523.6437@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>In article <BrpLzv.1zC@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems) writes:
>>
>>BTW, watch out for the Patriots this year. They are going to be the 
>>surprise team of the AFC. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they
>>swept the Bills this year.
>
>Hmmm.... With the Fins sweep that means the jills practically enter
>the season with four losses. It's going to be a really good season
>Doug. Can I send you a Dolphins t-shirt or something??
>
>Tony (go new england) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu

Don't forget the Jets are going to sweep them too, that makes it an assured
min 10-6 season, and maybe the Colts might even take one away from them. Hmmm
a 9-7 season for them and a 16-0 season for the Dolphins, sounds right! Go big
D, as in Defenseolphins. Maybe "shoes" can catch Halas this year, yeah!! :~)
Just wishfull dreaming.......

John
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Picking Spreads in the Pool
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:55:31 GMT

Of the 100+ people who sent in info to sign up for the NFL Pool so far,
there were 2 or 3 who said "Why don't you do spreads?"  I will condier this
but would prefer not to.  Here are my thoughts:

- Using spreads restricts the range of dates that people can send in
  their picks.  If I use a Wednesday paper, there are several days
  wasted.

- It is more work for me -- but I can deal with this.

- I personally think it is less interesting.  In order to win a straight
  pool of this size (>100 already and growing every few minutes) you
  will have to pick some upsets.  Thus the "easy" games are not so easy.

Still, I want this to be your pool, not mine so I will use spreads if that
is what people want.  If more than half of the people who are signed up
send me mail saying they want to use spreads, we will.

Please send mail on this subject with "spreads" in the subject line.
(Or just reply to this post)

Thanks much.

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Weighed picks
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:59:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul22.121306.1@happy.colorado.edu> jjlamastra@happy.colorado.edu writes:
>>>
>> Agreed!  I do like using the spreads, but I can live without them.
>> The object of the pool is as you stated: "picking the outcome of
>> football games accurately".
>
>	I also agree, we do not need the spreads.

Ditto.

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From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Falcons News-- Training Camp
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:29:47 GMT
Reply-To: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)

In article <1992Jul28.181116.20032@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu>,
elbjr@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Edward L. Brown, Jr.) writes:
|>1992 Tentative Depth Chart:
|>
|>QB--  Chris Miller, Billy Joe Tolliver, Wade Wilson
|>RB--  S. Broussard, Erric Pegram, Tony Smith (r), Keith Jones, C. McLemore
|>FB--  Keith Jones, Melvin Bratton, Derrick Moore (r), Troy Mills (r)
|>RWR-- Michael Haynes, Horace Hamm (r), Michael Johnson
|>RSR-- M. Pritchard, Jason Phillips, Bobby Olive
|>LWR-- George Thomas, Tony Jones, Shawn Collins
|>LSR-- Andre Rison, Drew Hill, James Milling, Karl Miller
|>TE--  Harper LeBelReggie Dwight (r), Richard Ashe
|>RT--  C. Hinton, Bob Whitfield (r), Darrell Hamilton
|>RG--  B. Fralic, Joe Sims, J. Buddenburg, Hosie Smith (r)
|>C--   Jamie Dukes, Mike Ruether
|>LG--  H. Hoover, Roman Fortin, Leroy Truitt, Oliver Barnett
|>LT--  Mike Kenn, Bob Whitfield (r), Dave Zawatson, Keith Alex (r)
|>
|>
|>RDE-- Tim Green, Rod Saddler, Chuck Smith (r), Robin Jones (r)
|>NT--  Moe Gardner, Tory Epps, Scott Evans, B. Goldberg, Don Reynolds (r)
|>LDE-- Rick Bryan, Mike Gann,Sean Smith, LeAndre Anderson
|>ROLB- Darion Conner, Brian Forde, Howard Dinkins (r)
|>RILB- Jessie Tuggle, Tim Paulk (r), Kevin Brown (r), Mick Thomas (r)
|>LILB- John Rade, Ken Tippins, Oscar Giles (r), Randy Bullock (r)
|>LOLB- Robert Lyles, Michael Reid, Brett Faryniarz, Darryl Hardy (r)
|>RCB-- D. Sanders, B. Pickens, Frankie Smith (r), Roland Smith
|>FS--  Scott Case, Tracey Eaton, Terry Ray (r)
|>SS--  Jeff Donaldson, Louis Riddick, Sharon Washington (r), Browner (?)
|>LCB-- T. McKyer, Bobby Butler, Elbert Shelly, William Evers, Fred Foggie
|>
|>K--   Norm Johnson
|>P--   Scott Fulhage

You know, the Falcons are beginning to resemble the '89 Houston Oilers.

|>NickNames---   The Georgia Dome is looking for an nickname for the
Falcon Home
|>Games.  Any and all requests are accepted.  Mine is THUNDER DOME.

How about Astrodome-wannabe? :^) :^)

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