HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general,alt.activism
Subject: Dioxin
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:56:43 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

PANEL OF SCIENTISTS FINDS DIOXN DOES NOT POSE WIDESPREAD CANCER THREAT.
    An independent panel of scientists concluded Friday (9/25) that dioxin 
was not a large-scale cancer threat except to people exposed to unusually 
high levels of the toxic compound in chemical factories and from accidents. 
But its study of international research showed that exceedinly small minute 
levels biological havoc among fish, birds, and other wild animals. The 
findings are the clearest statements ever made by a overnment-sponsored panel 
about the potential risks from dioxin. Its work is part of an official 
reassment of the potential hazards of dioxin the Environmental Protection 
Agency began in 1991. Since the early 1970's, when dioxin was discovered as a 
contamient in Agent Orange, few pollutants have received as much attention 
from the public or the government. The panel, which met for the first time 
over four days in the last week, said almost all of the dioxin in the tissues 
of ordinary Americans came from eating Beef, chicken, dairy products and 
fish, and several panelists said in interviews they did not consider those 
typical levels to pose an important health hazard.
From the NEW YORK TIMES 9/26/92

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: waf9851@zeus.tamu.edu (FULLER, WALTER ANDREW III)
Subject: Re: Conspiracy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Conspiracy
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:39:00 GMT

In article <1aimliINN8ng@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes...
>Bob Crane was Colonel Hogan in "Hogan's Heroes" and, I believe, was
>murdered.  Frank Sutton has the same last name as the famous bank
>robber, Willie "That's Where the Money Is" Sutton.
> 
>A connection?  Well, maybe.  Maybe not.
> 

Frank Sutton is the man who is the chief suspect in the murder of Bob Crane.
He was a close friend of Crane's and often set up "dates" with various
women for him. It is suspected that Sutton murdered Crane in a fit of
jealosy, but that remains for the courts to decide. He was recently
indicted for the murder of Bob Crane.

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Walter Fuller
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From: spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:25:37 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: szechuan.ucsd.edu

In article <1a3rqrINN3pu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK 
>by Donald Phau
>    
>
>Today, at almost
>any "heavy-metal'' rock concert one can
>hear the audience being exhorted to
>rape and murder in the name of Satan.
>Lyrics such as the following are
>typical: 
>
>   "We come bursting through your bodies 
>   Rape your helpless soul
>   Transform you into a creature
>   Merciless and cold
>   We force you to kill your brother 
>   Eat his blood and brain 
>   Shredding flesh and sucking bone 
>   Till everyone's insane 
 
... The Few.  The Proud.  The Marines.

:-)

							spl

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From: david@wal6000b.udc.upenn.edu (R. David Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general
Subject: Re: Energy industry being destroyed
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: david@penndrls.upenn.edu
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: University Data Center, University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep16.224927.10687@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
> Good.  The Oil companies have ruled America long enough.  Example:  raising
> gas prices during the gulf war.  Or just over a holiday weekend.

This is called the law of supply and demand.  Iraq's actions caused a
decrease in the future supply of oil, so prices had to increase to
compensate.  This caused oil production to be more attractive, and
increased the supply, resulting in lower prices.  By the February following
the peak prices during the war (ie: one year later), gas prices were
the lowest they have ever been, when corrected for inflation and taxes.
In fact, pump prices hit 89 cent/gal briefly, even /without/ those corrections.
Remember, congress' response to the increased gas prices caused by
Saddam was to increase the gasoline tax.

> Maybe we have less of a need for oil.  Cars are much, MUCH more fuel efficient
> than before.  Oil companies want to go back to the days of 10mpg and gas lines.

Increased fuel efficiency is good, and is one result of high gasoline prices.
The gas lines were caused by the government, which capped pump prices.
Again, by the law of supply and demand, if you price something lower than
the market clearing price, there will be more demand than supply, and thus
the gas lines.  And since there were no high prices to encourage increased
production, the crisis lasted for quite a while.  Compare this to the
results during the gulf war, when prices were not capped.  Did you see any
gas lines?

> production (I don't mean nukes either).  What would this country be like now
              -------------------------

Why not?  They're as clean as coal, and at least as safe, and would be
safer if the government didn't have such stupid rules concerning them
(eg: micromanagement of certification and liability caps).
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Berlet vs. Dallas Morning News  (wa
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:08:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:3OCT199219125157@utarlg.uta.edu:1896698051:cdp:1299600081:000:770
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  4 14:08:00 1992



Stockdale's resigination from the Citadel was due to a dispute over
hazing, but who was tolerating it was a mater of debate and
disagreement. He says he was against it. Others disagree.

Befoer joining the Hoover Institute, Stockdale was with the Rockford
Institute. 

While there is a different focus and bias, my posting and the Dallas
Morning News article are not, in fact, contradictory, they merely
see Stockdale from different perspectives. Since I am online, it
would be courteous to ask me for clarification before calling my research
misleading or implying it is inaccurate. Stockdale's role at Rockford
is a matter of public record, and I have a copy of Rockford's annual
report with Stockdale's picture in it among the other Board of Directors.
-Chip Berlet
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:32:22 GMT

wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:

>In article <1a0i38INNo7l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) writes:
>>
>>I wonder, what kind of music does Lyndon Larouche like to listen to? I
>>mean, music is an important part of my life. That's one thing I always 
>>wonder about people -- what kind of music they like. Hey, Larouche must
>>not be able to stomach Mozart, he being a Freemason and all, right?
>>
>I heard on NPR's "Morning Edition" (I swear I'm not making this up!)
>that Lyndon LaRouche is leading a movement to replace the international
>standard of musical pitch, A=440, with C=256.

Oh this *is* fun. Anyone know why? Is 440 A the perfect tuning for mind-
control?

>Walter Lee    wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu, lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us

Or is 256 C?

>Keep the Aspidistra Flying!

Yes, do!

Tom Warner

Uh ... but what are Aspidistra? Did I miss something?
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From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Conspiracy
Date: 2 Oct 1992 23:40:34 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu
Keywords: Conspiracy

In article <1992Oct2.232023.18298@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (ENTROPY. IT'S THE LAW) writes:
>>names stuck out. Two did. In room 702 and adjoining room 704 were two
>>people I had never thought of having anything to do with "_that_day_".
>>In 702 was a Frank Sutton and in 704 was Robert Crane.
>> 
>Pardon my ignorance, but who are Sutton and Crane? And how, and when did
>they die? Finally, did they know each other? I don't remember seeing their
>names in this group.

Bob Crane was Colonel Hogan in "Hogan's Heroes" and, I believe, was
murdered.  Frank Sutton has the same last name as the famous bank
robber, Willie "That's Where the Money Is" Sutton.

A connection?  Well, maybe.  Maybe not.

							spl
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
Reply-To: wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:12:26 GMT

In article <1a0i38INNo7l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) writes:
>
>I wonder, what kind of music does Lyndon Larouche like to listen to? I
>mean, music is an important part of my life. That's one thing I always 
>wonder about people -- what kind of music they like. Hey, Larouche must
>not be able to stomach Mozart, he being a Freemason and all, right?
>
I heard on NPR's "Morning Edition" (I swear I'm not making this up!)
that Lyndon LaRouche is leading a movement to replace the international
standard of musical pitch, A=440, with C=256.


Walter Lee    wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu, lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us

Keep the Aspidistra Flying!
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 14:24:03 EDT
From: <IO10184@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.discordia

In article <1992Sep28.141322.688@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
 lesmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lee Harvey Oswald Smith)writes:

>I propose that there be a newsgroup called alt.discordia.
>
>It would be devoted to:
>        - Discordian stuff, i.e., Erisian philosophy, discussion of
>          Discordian literature (Illuminatus!, the Principia Discordia, etc.),
>          ideas for pranks and pseudo-pranks
>
>It would fnord also be a great place for Discordians to meet on the Net.

     Yes! Definatley! Indeed! Wonderful! Marvy!
     All of the above and more, a discordian group would be
a great contribution to the net. Now, how does one go about
doing it?

     Pat
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Wit & Wisdom of Fascist LaRouche
Date: 2 Oct 1992 05:06:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I said specifically that the view I presented of Operation Mop-Up
was not first hand and was the version I was familiar with. I stated
that I recognized other sides of the question might have a different
version of events. My version of events came from reading New Solidarity.
I consider this a credible source. (Obviously) your mileage may vary.

Chip, I'm concerned about your use of the term "lie" as applied to my
post. I told the version of events I was familiar with and specified
accurately my degree of familiarity. This is about as honest as it
gets. Notice that I have not accused YOU of lying, even when in my
judgements you have misstated facts you should have been expected to
be aware of (e.g. regarding LaROuche's ideological stance).

-Steve
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 3 Oct 1992 09:29:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Laurence Doering writes (approximately) "It's a good thing Phau and
LaRouche don't know about bands such as ...The Crucifucks..."

Oddly enough I DO happen to know about the Crucifucks, since they
are local to Lansing/East Lansing. I've even met Doc Dart, their
lead singer. Seemed like a plesant enough guy. It's interesting to
note that Doc's family is socially prominent locally, being responsible
for landmarks such as Dart Container (non-union, I believe) and Dart
Auditorium at Lansing Community College. One Dart is on the LCC board of trustees
<oops> Board of Trustees.

They are reputed to be conservative Christians. I suspect that Doc is acting out<oops> acting out
a rebellion scenatrio with his band. I don't think its particularly
important in the overall scheme of things, except as an example of
where various trends have led us. What LaROuche and Phau are trying
to get at is the question of who INITIATED these trends, and supports
them, and to what purpose.

-Steve
From: jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:52:24 GMT
Subject: Re: **GREY OCTOBER**
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy

/ hpdmd48:alt.conspiracy / korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman) / 10:01 am  Oct  1, 1992 /

What the heck is a "Grey" ??????????????

----------

I think this is a reference to "grey skinned aliens" whom, some believe,
have been the real force behind US/international politics since the late
40's (or maybe thousands of years before that!)

Maybe Larry King should ask H. Ross if he likes strawberry ice cream??? 

(I know I do!! :) )

Jeffery (hoarding gallons of strawberry ice cream) Waldeck
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 05 Oct 92 19:09 PDT
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1299600066:cdp:1299600087:000:436
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  5 19:09:00 1992


Steve: My research is not only competent but available for posting here. I
challenge you to post any statement of fact you question, and I will post
the documentation. It is reckless and frankly defamatory for you to
question my competance as a journalist and researcher because you
disagree with my <analysis> and <conclusions>. We disagree as to what
LaRouche represents, but I can <document> each and every statement of
fact. 
-Chip

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.mlk
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:48:57 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Audit:  alt.conspiracy,JBowery,4
 
Jim Bowery writes:
>bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>
>> >>> Also, you may have noticed that I am posting this anonymously.  
The reaso
>> >>> I am doing this is that I am taking this story seriously and I 
don't
>> >>> want to get snuffed out by the CIA.                                
      
>> Uh...sorry for asking, I must have missed this one, but what kind of
>> shocking, terrifying story did you post that required you to post
>> it anonymously?
>> And if you're so afraid of the CIA and all them bad guys, why even
>> bother posting?
>We didn't get the original here either.
 
We still haven't received the original here nor any follow-up
responses. 
 
Please retransmit the original.

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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:54:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In response to Steve Lamont:

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the corruption of the mainstream
press as they continue to ignore the crimes of Bush et. al. today. I
disagree with your implication that in the Nixon case this community of
liars and whores spontaneously found the courage to do what was right. I
think the same people who can cause the press to ignore news when they want
it suppressed can cause them to focus on it selectively when they want to
"dump" a politician who no longer serves their purposes.

Suppose that in a couple  of months or a couple of years the mainstream
press were suddenly to discover that Bush has been lying about Iran/Contra
etc. and began to make a big deal of it. This would NOT signal a sudden
attack of conscience among these lying hypocrites, rather it would signal
a decision by elements of the American Establishment that Bush was now a 
liability rather than an asset.

This was almost exactly the sort of thing that happened after Watergate.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: Part II, BUSH/CLINTON: Co-Conspirators in CIA Drug Smuggling Industry
Keywords: Bush/Clinton: Co-Conspirators in CIA Drug Smuggling Industry
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:02:11 GMT

jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:


>PAUL DeRIENZO:
>	So what we're seeing here is a connection between the mistress 
>	sex scandal and the Iran-Contra and the Governor of Arkansas. 
>	There's a connection.

Remember, you heard it here first, folks.
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: HELP !!!!
Date: 26 Sep 1992 06:16:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


	Does ANYONE know what the "Illuminate" is ? please send E-mail
if you can. thanks :-)


-- 
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 Reveal to me the sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
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From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Power behind the throne
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:44:39 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1g6PRB1w164w@cellar.org> techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
>From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
>Subject: Power behind the throne
>Date: 26 Sep 92 20:01:23 GMT

>part 1 of 3 parts Introduction
>   Many Americans recognize the existence of what has come to be called the 
>EStablishment. Regardless of who is elected (Clinton is a member of the 
>tri-lateral commision & CFR George Bush recently resigned from the CFR) 
>Presidnt, regardless of which "party" captures the White House or the 
>Congress, America's power elite sems always able to influence the policies of 
>the nation from behind the scenes. Yet, even though many are able to 
>recognize the existence of the Establishment, relatively few are able to 
>identify the actual organizations or personages that comprise power behind 
>the throne.
>    The single most important manifestation of the American Establishment is 
>the New York Based Council on Foreign Relations. (CFR). Incorporated in 1921 
>by a handful of AAmerican Internationalists dismayed by the refusal of the  
>United States to join the Leauge of NAtions, the CFR's efforts ever since 
>have been devoted to influencing American foreign and domestic policies to 
>suit the designs for world government envisioned by its founders.
>next in Power behind the throne.... Influence in Government

>------
>techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
>The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184

Where can one read anything about this subject, Will?
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From: spl@ivem.uucp (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 4 Oct 1992 19:05:15 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1ancp8INNg04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>Sorry, but that's not what happened. Nixon was hated for years by the 
>growing anti-war movement, with no noticible effect. The Watergate
>break-in came and went with only minor press coverage. Then, rather 
>suddenly, the press "discovered" Watergate, and "related" scandals
>such as campaign financing irregularities and began a concerted attack
>on Nixon. None of Nixon's enemies among the common people had the 
>power necessary to cause these attacks. 

... or perhaps the enormity and stench of the Nixon/Kissinger crimes
finally became too large and too putrid for even a timid and
subservient press to ignore?

I suppose that you can claim conspiracy (after all, that's why we're
here in this esteemed group, isn't it?) but maybe the journalistic
community finally just got sick and tired of covering up and
whitewashing the criminality of a cynically corrupt and flagrantly
dishonest regime carrying on an illegal war and tampering with the
political process.

I wish we had a press today that would look at the slimy things that
live under the official and unofficial rocks and expose them to the
light of day, rather than groveling on their hands and knees over the
scraps of disinformation and dissimilation in the daily press
briefings, sound bites, and photo opportunities that are served up to
us as news.

The President goes to a flag factory.  Hurrah!  Mike Dukakis rides a
tank.  Hooray!  Bill Clinton rides a bus!  Whoop-te-doodle!

The American press, by and large, wouldn't know a story if they
stepped in it.

As I said earlier... we got lucky... sometimes the system works, even
if by accident.

							spl



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