HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tim.Of.Angle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Tim Of Angle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: R/OP fonts
Date: 5 Dec 92 13:48:07 GMT

DP>  Aodhan can tell you what fonts he has the program currently
 DP>  set up for. If we can get it formatted in fonts that produce
 DP>  roughly the same results, and are standard to all three (Aodhan's,
 DP>  Dathi's, and yours) printers, I'll have to spend much less time
 DP>  driving back and forth in my car...always a plus. 

I dare say that Times Roman is about the only "standard font" in the universe -
there may be small incompatibilities among implementations, but it ought to
work (more or less).
From: Joshua@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Joshua)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re:  signup and question.
Date: 4 Dec 92 20:46:06 GMT

Alison did write:
 > One problem I happen to know about: One of the Kingdoms has an Order of the
 > Pheon. As "Tarnished" is an adjective, it cannot clear the name from
 conflict.
 > I remember this name from recent CoA returns; does anyone have an Armorial
 > they can look it up in?
 >

Golden Pheon, Order of the|8904|O|Outlands, Kingdom of the|
Outlands, Kingdom of the|8904|B|Vert, a pheon inverted environed of a
        stag's attire, all within a bordure embattled Or.|(For the Order of
        the Golden Pheon)|BORDURE*1A|HORN AND ATTIRES|PHEON AND ARROWHEAD
Pheon, Golden, Order of the|8904|O*|Outlands, Kingdom of the|
Pheon, Order of the||O|East, Kingdom of the|(Closed)

                ---Simon

p.s. This is not the most current armorial.
From: Tim.Of.Angle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Tim Of Angle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: ASFA and the DOS Armorial
Date: 7 Dec 92 13:30:02 GMT

L> A node in the net called Bob Upson, coded to Matt Drury,
 L> on 16 Nov 92  19:27:00, about ASFA and the DOS Armorial

 BU> I have the armorial available for F'Req (magic name ARMORIAL) or live
 BU> caller D/L but, alas, I haven't been able to secure a new edition for
 BU> over a year. Is there *anyone* out there with the ability to make
 BU> up-to-date DOS versions available on a regular basis?

I will do so on Herald's Point. They will be in 360k chunks called COMPEND?.EXE
and will be self-extracting archive files. I'm in the process of inputting the
September LOAR; once that's done (Wednesday?) I'll pack them up and make them
available. Any FREQ Thursday or later ought to get them. I anticipate that
there will be four or five, each containing NAME, DATE, TYPE, BLAZON, and
COMMENTS - sorted alphabetically by name; they will be in standard
tab-delimited (not "|" delimited, as is the ftp version) text format.

 L>   I have an indestrious friend in my barony who is working to make the 
 L> Armourial more friendly with DOS and is also seeking to produce a Windows 
 L> version as well.
 L>    Anything I can pass along?

Yeah - go for it!

    Tadhg, Obelisk
From: Diane.Pilkington@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Diane Pilkington)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: star signet office
Date: 4 Dec 92 07:59:12 GMT


 -=> Quoting Tim Of Angle to Dathi <=-

 TOA> Give it to Margaret....

 Amen! I second the motion. All in favor?
 
 D> I would like to, but I feel that I ought to give everyone 
 D> a chance to apply so that no one can complain. I will 
 D> consider everyone's application. Margaret is the first person to apply.

 TOA> C'mon, they'll never think you're from Stargate if you keep 
 TOA> doing that sort of thing....

 Why would Dathi want anyone to think such a thing?

 Serena
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From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:27:00 GMT

BH>A message from Marv Cotton on 12-04-92 to All included this:

BH>MC> I would like to know how many participants we have.

BH>MC> any suggestions or tips?

BH>It might be productive, Marv, to share with your correspondents the results
BH>of your poll, so that we've a better grasp, demographically, of the
audience
BH>reached via this echo.

BH>As my first message on the echo - to you - indicated, I'm acquiring the
echo
BH>via a state-operated bbs.  That is to say, I requested the Sysop of the bbs
BH>at a state university to "turn on" the echo.  (Frankly, now that students -
BH>and non-students, for it'
BH>s a public access bbs - have the opportunity to acquire the echo via this
BH>Illinois university, it'll be interesting to see what evolves.)  Indeed,
you
BH>may wish to use the opportunity to post a "purpose" message, which will be
BH>read as a "new message" here
BH> by anyone tapping the echo for the first time.

BH>I take this opportunity to also point out (underscore, actually) that I
BH>communicating with you via a Macintosh.  Undoubtedly you immediately
surmise
BH>that when my first message to you made mention of HyperCard, which my
BH>"home-grown stack," "RSVP" employe
BH>s as an off-line email reader, quoter and writer.  Having said that, I draw
BH>your attention to the fact that in the Macintosh environment the popular,
BH>alternative file compression program is "StuffIt," which generates files
BH>having a ".sit" suffix.  (I'm n
BH>ot so close to the "cutting edge" in this field that what I believe/say
BH>should be considered authoratative.  Still, in the Mac software echo,
BH>"StuffIt" is a program frequently cited.)  What I'm laboring to convey is
th
BH>thought that such data as you've c
BH>ompiled - be it text or graphics - should be available in "Mac-compatible"
BH>file form to assure you able to comm with that not-insignificant segment of
BH>the expanding email community.

BH>And I rush to underscore that Mac files can coexist on the same storage
BH>device as those for MS-DOS users.

BH>My regards,
BH>Bob Houseman


  Bob, I welcome the participation of you and your students.  The echo's
  purpose and goal is to help locate missing and abducted children and
  to post information on ways people can protect their children, or what
  to do if your child is missing.  I will post the echo rules which
  contains the purposes also.
    Welcome again,
        Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Berwyn@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Berwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re:  Device checking
Date: 3 Dec 92 22:45:35 GMT

>
> Hello to Berwyn from Bjalfi!
>
> I saw your post on the Rialto last night, and was at Brachet meeting shortly
> thereafter, so I checked your proposed device "Purpure, three acorns or
> within a bordure or ermined purpure".  It cleared Papworth, the first and
> second Combined Ordinaries, Woodward and Military.
> Congrats!
>

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!  I'm so excited.  I gotta run right down
and find Fox-Davies for a decent acrn to copy. (don't have pic-dic) Oh boy.
by the time I get my armor finished I'll have somethig tro put on the shield.

Just curious, are there many fighting heralds?  Are there many fighters who
authorize fo the first time at age 40?  What else can I make out of a side
of saddle skirting?

Berwyn
From: Tim.Of.Angle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Tim Of Angle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: star signet office
Date: 4 Dec 92 11:29:08 GMT

DP>  TOA> C'mon, they'll never think you're from Stargate if you keep 
 DP>  TOA> doing that sort of thing....

 DP>  Why would Dathi want anyone to think such a thing?

Senior Heralds quite often have strange wants ... as *you* should know by
now....
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 5 Dec 92 03:01:00 GMT


  This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems to
  have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.
  Also any suggestions or tips?
    Marv Cotton, Co-Moderator

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: David.Lyle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (David Lyle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New to this stuff
Date: 7 Dec 92 01:21:36 GMT


 LG> Then Guinevere it will be.  I came about that  name 
 LG> from the King Arthur's legends and I had a BBS called 
 LG> King Arthur's Castle BBS.  I didn't like the name Queen 
 LG> Guinevere and I don't like putting myself on a 

don't worry about it... only the SCA people will give you a hard time for using
a title in your name... the rest of us are more casual and friendly about the
whole thing.  "Titles, we dun need no steenken titles!"
From: Brian.Rueger@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Brian Rueger)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 6 Dec 92 18:24:00 GMT

A message from Marv Cotton on 12-04-92 to All included this:

MC> any suggestions or tips?

I share with you these thoughts re the use of on-hand technology to quickly
return home missing/abducted children.

I am intrigued by a concept consisting of these elements:

- Assumptions:
--missing/abducted children will be moved or moving via surface transportation
(i.e., by car);
--local authorities possess or can readily access fax equipment for
transmitting a locally created poster to a national "poster distribution"
800-number. Existence of the number can be promulgated through national law
enforcement organizations, such as a
ssociations of police chiefs, sheriffs, etc.;
--in the majority of instances, at the point of abduction there's some idea of
the abductor's destination; rapidly disseminating posters to points along the
route to and at the presumed destination (or destinations) will be productive
--there is a vast, untapped reservoir of youthful, enthusiastic computerists,
already possessing the software, hardware and skill to, on a voluntary basis,
very rapidly disseminate "wanted" posters - obtained at no cost to the caller,
from a too-be-creat
ed "poster" bulletin board service.  

- Needed Components:
--an corporate-sponsored, controlled-access 800-number bbs from which volunteer
computer enthusiasts download missing/abducted children posters to be 
[1] conveyed to area authorities, and 
[2] displayed at service stations in the area -- the area having been
"targeted" by caller ZIP or area code;
-- a corporate-sponsored reward fund to further stimulate calls to the poster
bbs and service station owner/operator participation.

Ideally, participating corporation(s) would be of the sort that a national
network consisting of "retailers" (e.g., gas station operators) and
"computerists" (my shorthand for computer enthusiasts) would, under the
auspices of the corporation(s), evolve.
  Consider, for example, having one or more corporations use it's extant
"communications capabilities" to signal selected "retailers" to "have your
local, volunteer 'computerist' call the 800-number."   

The expression "selected 'retailers'" refers to those geographically selected
by ZIP or area code, per the above-mentioned assumption re "route" and
"destination."

The "retailer" alerts the "computerist."  The "computerist" calls the
800-number and downloads a file consisting of a poster, graphic and text,
promptly printed out by the "computerist."  That poster is now available for
display at the "retailers" place 
of business.  Very likely, other local retailers in other forms of business
would willingly become involved - that is, display the poster, if for no reason
other than "public relations."

Certainly, variants of the scheme might work as well or better.

Discussion?

---
RSVP v. 1.1i <an email HyperCard stack!>
From: Hans.Pieterse.Van.Houten@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Hans Pieterse Van Houten)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Spin shots...
Date: 5 Dec 92 15:23:00 GMT

DL> Spinning maneuvers are very pretty in kata 
 DL> form, useless on the REAL
 DL> battlefield.  You'd likely loose your arms 
 BA> <stuff deleted, next quote>
 HPVH> Seems to me that a spin would be useful on the 
 HPVH> field of combat, in a melee
 HPVH> where the lines have been broken and friend and 
 BA> Every now and again somebody starts doing spin shots in Ansteorra. 
 BA> They are usually effective for the first 3-6 months, at least against
 BA> low-to-medium skilled fighters, due to the surprise factor.  (Huh, 
 BA> what's he doing?  CLANG).  After that time, everybody's seen them, so
 BA> (Aha, spin shot, nail him while his back is turned) the surprise is 
 BA> lost.  They do show up every couple of years or so.

Unlike David and many others, I was not referring to using a spin in single
combat, I was referring to using it during a general battle, to check your
back (wonderful peripheral vision in the typical SCA helm).

 
... Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 9 Dec 92 01:44:00 GMT

MV>Hello Marv!

MV>Answering a msg of <Friday December 04 1992>, from Marv Cotton to All:

MV>    Mystic's Mountain Maximus is receiving this Echo.


MV>        Live Life Lovingly!
MV>        Michael Van.Meter

MV>--- GoldED 2.40.P0720
MV> * Origin:  Mystic's Mountain Maximus - Elkins Park Pa.  (1:273/709)

  Thanks Michael.
      Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Paul@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Paul)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Herald Test?
Date: 3 Dec 92 19:06:10 GMT

Sorry Layamon no An Tir test.  We're working on it.  I'm thinking of something
that gets progressively harder and has conflict checking.  The problem is
I really don't like tests but the old requirements scared people away.

The whole idea of a test may get dropped because I don't like it.  I'm still
weighing the pros and cons

Drogo,
Black Lion
From: Steven.Lang@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Steven Lang)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Carry
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:22:00 GMT

Hello all
As per the persons request, I just turned on this echo a few days ago for
access in the Austin, Texas area. 
Thanks 
Steven Lang
From: J'Aime.Gibson@fquest.FidoNet.Org (J'Aime Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 10 Dec 92 13:25:01 GMT

OBI BBS has been shaky for a while.  Seems that the message base likes to
scramble itself....  interesting reading, unless you are trying to find a real
message.  None of the messages match the headers!  *grin*  I just love being a
sysop!  Thanks for your effort and bear with us.  We are trying to hang in
without giving in to the urge to toss the computer out into the yard!
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: Tom.Grady@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Tom Grady)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Poll Message
Date: 10 Dec 92 14:01:36 GMT

On Fri  4-Dec-1992  9:01p, Marv Cotton wrote:
MC>   This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems to
MC>   have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.
MC>   Also any suggestions or tips?
MC>     Marv Cotton, Co-Moderator

MC>  * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe


MC> --- WM v2.04/92-0131
MC>  * Origin: HEIDI Search Center BBS 210-659-2305 Univ. City TX(1:387/622)


Whoops .... been away from console for a week ... missed the origin of the
message Marv.

    GameLine Systems ... Malone, NY   has been with you since September and
plans to stay for a long time! (we are changing our name very shortly  however 
to The Boondocks  (our original C64 BBS name back in the days of Yore)

     

   --==} Tom Grady {==--    Life Is ... Then you die    --==} GameMaster {==--
From: Beth.Appleton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Beth Appleton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: help, i'm being pecked to death by dukes!
Date: 8 Dec 92 00:45:00 GMT


 B> porn shop ... care to guess what he showed up with 
 B> as a helmet crest one tourney?  hence earning the 
 B> name "first porno prince of ansteorra"
     Yes, and what of his "weapons" at the first Crown Tourney?
          Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
From: Lady.Guinevere@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Lady Guinevere)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Titles
Date: 8 Dec 92 07:09:02 GMT

SW> David Lyle wrote to Lady Guinevere, saying...

SW>> LG> Then Guinevere it will be.  I came about that  name
SW>> LG> from the King Arthur's legends and I had a BBS called
SW>> LG> King Arthur's Castle BBS.  I didn't like the name Queen
SW>> LG> Guinevere and I don't like putting myself on a
SW>>
SW>>don't worry about it... only the SCA people will give you a
SW>>hard time for using a title in your name... the rest of us
SW>>are more casual and friendly about the whole thing.
SW>>"Titles, we dun need no steenken titles!"

SW>David doesn't like the SCA, or anything associated with it, and therefore
SW>takes every opportunity to accuse us of whatever.

SW>There is no reason you can't use Lady Guinevere on the BBS's, including
SW>this echo.  But since you were expressing interest in the SCA, people have
SW>been explaining how the SCA works.  That's what the echo is for, explaining
SW>things and learning.  No one is trying to give you a hard time, despite
SW>what David says.
SW>___
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SW>--- Maximus 2.01wb
SW> * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: Stephen.Whitis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: art or science?
Date: 4 Dec 92 08:47:00 GMT

>I like that  :)  (:  :)  (:  :)  (:  Someone on this echo
>also told me that you can kill someone with science, but                  
>not art.                                                                  

I dunno about that.  Some of the modern stuff...
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From: David@fquest.FidoNet.Org (David)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re:  Marshalling;
Date: 3 Dec 92 17:29:04 GMT

Hello from Bjalfi!

Quoth Arval:
>Some kingdoms have tests to certify their pursuivants.  I believe the West
>Kingdom and Caid are two such.  We considered the possibility while I was
>Brigantia, but decided that it was unsuited to the East: We have a hard
>enough time finding willing volunteers to fill every office without placing
>roadblocks in their way, and we have other educational tools that seem to
>serve our purposes.

I don't think the West's Pursuivant test is a roadblock--at any rate, my
behavior and involvement in the College of Heralds was not significantly
less before taking the test than after.  I had been going to weekly Brachet
meetings for a while, and had just finished my first Vesper meeting _before_
they gave me the test.  When I passed it, I was told "Now you don't have an
excuse not to help out when asked."  (Which isn't true, of course--I just
don't have _that_ excuse, and I never used it before.)
The only difference for me is that now I can sign myself:
| > | |\ |\ |'/ |
|<  | |\ |  |/  |
| > | |  |  |   |, PExaL
From: Nezumi@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Nezumi)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: You're Alive!!!
Date: 4 Dec 92 15:57:24 GMT


 JR> Good to hear from you - and remember - Trimaris is the Spring Break 
 JR> Capital of the Knowne World. Be about due for a 
 JR> Coronation depending on what time that comes to.
 Do I sense a invitation? Hmm. If things keep going the way they are around
here, economically, I might become a loyal Trimarian for a while. My (mundane)
brother has issued me a invitation to check out the construction trades and act
as nanny to my neice. Is it true there are more SCAdians per square foot then
anywhere else in Florida?
From: Jim.Long@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jim Long)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Peachy!
Date: 5 Dec 92 22:07:12 GMT

Unto the gracious, sweet, and yes, peachy, milady Amber of Drachenfaust send
I:

Most heartfelt greetings!

Much thanks, milady.  Would I were in a postition to scrip a letter of
recommendation for your AoA!  You are indeed a worthy noble of note.

Your humble servant,

Lord James the Toxophilite

*"Hey!  Where did my stockpile of rattan go??"
From: Stephen.Whitis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: art or science?
Date: 3 Dec 92 16:26:00 GMT

>I would suggest.... do a bit of art, AND a bit of Science...
>                                                                          
>Many subjects require both!                                               

Most subjects of Ansteorra refuse to waste a lot of time sorting
which is which.
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From: Josh@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Josh)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: signup and question.
Date: 3 Dec 92 19:39:46 GMT

Greetings from Arval!

> 2. Does the device (pardon the mangled heraldi-speak) Azure, within a
> orle of rope Argent, a ship of the same charged upon the sail with a
> pheon Vert work?

Laurel has ruled several times that a charged sail is always considered
arms of pretense, and therefore unacceptable.  On the other hand, I don't
recall any evidence of a charged sail used in that manner in period armory.
Does anyone else have such evidence?  If none is presented, then this
ruling should be challenged.

I do not know if "an orle of rope" will be acceptable; unless you have
evidence of that in period armory, I doubt it.  Rope was very rarely used
as a charge in period armory; there are a few examples of knots, but not
enough to generalize to this usage.

> 3. Does the name Caradoc of House Tarnished Pheon work, or for that matter,
> House Tarnished Pheon?

Assuming that the word "tarnished" existed in period in the same language
as the word "pheon", the names are probably acceptable.  Note that the use
of "pheon" in modern or period blazonry does not mean that it was ever used
in real life.

You may not realize that the "household name" is largely an SCA invention.
It is an SCA catch-all for every type of medieval name for some kind of
association of people: family names, mercenary companies, etc.  The only
thing I can think of that might have been called "House Tarnished Pheon" in
medieval England is a tavern, and even that it pretty iffy.  What do you
intended "House Tarnished Pheon" to be?  If it is supposed to be a noble
family, then you would do better to pick a family name or place name of
some kind and use that as you byname and your household name (Caradoc
Wallingford, House Wallingford).  If it is supposed to be re-creating
something else, then I recommend you choose a name for it which matches the
medieval model you are using.

        Arval.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: Rick.Luquette@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Rick Luquette)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 6 Dec 92 23:10:00 GMT

Hello Marv!

Friday December 04 1992 21:01, Marv Cotton wrote to All:

 MC>   This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems to
 MC>   have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.

I'm here...

 MC>   Also any suggestions or tips?

$1,000 for each message posted?  <grin>

Rick