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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #295
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:42:38 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Sat, 12 Dec 92       Volume 10 : Issue 295

Today's Topics:

      [*] Black Jack 1.3 bug fix.
      [*] ComeWithMe.qt.hqx
      [*] Revisionist 1.4 f.sea.hqx
      [*] Simpsons Sounds - Group 1
      [*] SnapMAIL Demo
      [*] source/pascal/tcpexample.hqx
      [*] Submission
      128K Mac (S)
      911 Utilities
      A/ROSE?  What is it?
      Announcing a new DTP-L
      AppleColor 13" RGB monitors
      A Round of Applause Please!
      AutoMenus II (Q)
      Curve Fitting
      DeskWriter won't print MacDraw Pro (Q)
      DTP-L Subscriptions (2 msgs)
      Ethernet Cards for IIsi (Summary)
      Excel 4.0 - BH Menu = Nasty bus error
      Fetch-to-StuffIT Expander
      Finding parent of a folder window
      How to connect a modem
      HP on-line support
      Kennect - Still Exist?
      keyboard extension cable
      Lisp on the mac (A)
      Modem Problems
      MovieShop--Quicktime Aid (where?)
      NeXT SIMMs in Mac IIci (A)
      old laserwriters
      PowerPC with Taligent OS vs DEC Alpha with Windows NT.
      Printing of half tone images onto a StyleWriter? (C)
      Random Startup Sound
      RTF (Rich Text Format) specs
      RTF (Rich Text Format) Specs found!
      SE and Raster Ops problem
      Self-rejoining segmented files (A)
      Snooper
      Spacesaver spurns internal HD (Q)
      Startup sound app (2 msgs)
      Suggestions for Ethernet
      Sumex mirrors
      Thank yous
      The fifteen minute battery (R)
      Upload of text files Mac-to-Unix-to-Vax (Q)
      What's up at mac.archive.umich (3 msgs)
      What's up at mac.archive.umich (C)
      What's up at mac.archive.umich.edu
      Word files in use (when they're not!)
      WP 2.1 ---> WP 5.1

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:43:49 EST
From: udmorrow@mcs.drexel.edu (Daniel Morrow)
Subject: [*] Black Jack 1.3 bug fix.

Here Black Jack 1.3.1 by Ed Trice. This version is no different that 1.3
except the bugs are now gone.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/blackjack-131.hqx; 267K]

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 00:48:48 -0700 (MST)
From: "J. Taggart Gorman" <jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu>
Subject: [*] ComeWithMe.qt.hqx

  This is a Quicktime MooV of Arnold playing everyone's favorite cyborg in
Terminator 2.
  It's a short blurb with him saying "Come with me if you want to live."

(This BinHex file created by DownLine 1.1)

[Archived as /info-mac/art/qt/come-with-me.hqx; 195K]

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 11:44:26 +0100
From: Christoph Reichenberger <chrei@soft.uni-linz.ac.at>
Subject: [*] Revisionist 1.4 f.sea.hqx

This file contains Revisionist V 1.4.

Version 1.4 implements some minor bug fixes as well as another
improvement of the delta generation algorithm.
Please look into the ReadMe document for a
more detailed version history.

For Revisionist newcomers:
Revisionist is a simple version control tool (like SCCS or RCS)
that allows you to store different revisions of arbitrary documents.
The different revisions of any types of files (not only text files)
are stored in a space efficient manner (about 5 % of the
full file size per revision)  together with its original file name, file type,
creator, creation and modification date, check-in-date and a comment you can
type. Later on, you can extract any revision whenever you want.

Revisionist uses a delta storage technique to store the different revisions of
your document in a space efficient way. The overhead for the different
revisions
of the document depends on the mass and kind of changes you made and on the
method your application saves its documents.
In our tests we achieved very good results e.g. with files of many different
kinds like Think-Pascal source texts, WriteNow/MS Word/Canvas/... documents.
On an average Revisionist needs about 5 % of the originial file size
to store one revision.

Revisionist is System 7 clean, but not dependent.

Revisionist is shareware!

Christoph Reichenberger - ChRei@soft.uni-linz.ac.at -
ChRei@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at

[Archived as /info-mac/util/revisionist-14.hqx; 207K]

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 11:36:14 EST
From: Michael Fulmer <mfulmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: [*] Simpsons Sounds - Group 1

These are new sound samples from The Simpsons, taken directly from my VCR
outputs straight into a MacRecorder, so the sound quality is very good.
These were sampled at 11Khz. Many of these are from the recent episode in
which Maggie spoke her first word. All of these System 7 double-clickable
sounds are contained in a self-extracting archive.

Doh!
Michael Fulmer
mfulmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

 --------------------------------

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/simpsons-group1.hqx; 486K]

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 11:27:29 -0500
From: braun-eric@CS.YALE.EDU ("Eric E. Braun")
Subject: [*] SnapMAIL Demo

SnapMAIL is full featured e-mail software for Macintosh networks, that
is very easy to install, maintain, and use.  SnapMAIL is a
peer-to-peer e-mail system that requires no server, but server
functionality is available with SnapMAIL's unique distributed server
capabilities.

SnapMAIL features include standards like send, reply, forward, return
receipts, and file enclosures as well many extras, including
multi-person conferencing, message encryption, customizable
notification icons, forms, groups, a mail log, password security, a
special "Alert" message type that is removable (for important but
transient messages that otherwise clutter up user's mailboxes), on-line
help, and a host of preferences for customizing the work environment.
SnapMAIL is also compatible with Apple Remote Access.

SnapMAIL can run on any mac from a Plus on up.  It requires system 6.02
or later, only 1Meg memory, and is Sys 7 Saavy.

This demo is not cripple-ware.  It is a fully functional version that
you can use for three weeks.  Documentation is provided on-line (it is
accessible from the about box) and there is also Baloon Help.
Upgrading to a fully licensed version during or after the trial period
is very simple and does not require reinstalling on all computers on
the network.

Please contact Casady & Greene at 1-800-359-4920 for more information.
You can also contact the author directly at the addresses given below.


Eric Braun                              Glass Bead Software
gbs@panix.com                           803 President St.
(718)230-8010                           Brooklyn, NY 11215

 ----------------- BinHexed Stuffit Archive --------------------

[Archived as /info-mac/demo/snap-mail.hqx; 730K]

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 11:27:56 +0800
From: Peter N Lewis <peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au>
Subject: [*] source/pascal/tcpexample.hqx

This is some example code to demonstrate the use of my TCP unis.
These units implement a relatively high level interface to MacTCP,
and allow fairly easy writing of TCP applications in Pascal using
event driven programming.  The example program is not a full shell,
it simply implements a very basic finger to a fixed user@host.
It should be fairly easy to understand.  I've used the code in many
apps, most of which are available from various ftp sites, or from
redback.cs.uwa.edu.au in /others/peterlewis.

Hope its useful to someone,
   Peter. <peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au>

TCPExample v1.0.0 Copyright 1992 Peter N Lewis

[Archived as /info-mac/source/pascal/tcp-interface-example.hqx; 41K]

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 15:24:23 -0800
From: Rob Griffiths <robg@apple.com>
Subject: [*] Submission

Here's a version of the arcade classic Centipede.  Shareware from AOL.

-rob.

[Archived as /info-mac/game/centipede.hqx; 103K]

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:50:53 EST
From: leo@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Prof. L.G. Leduc)
Subject: 128K Mac (S)

Hello netters:

A few days ago, I asked a few questions to the net about a 128K Mac - the
original.  What follows is a summary of the responses.

System Software:
It is seems that most people agree that System 2.x is the most desirable.  A
few people mentioned System 1.x.  Availability seems to be a problem
although some people have it in their stack of disks.

Software:
There seems to be a lot of software out there but it is difficult to find
through FTP because most programmers have exploited the new features of
System 4.x which does not work on the original Mac.  MacPaint 1.0 and
MacWrite 1.0 are recommended.

Mouse:
Most people maintain that the MacPlus mouse will fit the 128K Mac.

Floppy Drive:
Most recommended that I clean the ejection mechanism. It seems that the
grease hardens with time and prevents disk ejection.  Larry Pina's book was
suggested.  Some people supplied details on the cleaning procedure.

Networking:
Most users stated that networking will be difficult if not impossible.  The
main problems are: not enough memory, no DIN ports, no AppleTalk, and
primitive protocols of early systems.

Hard Drive:
Most people recommended the early HD20 (non SCSI) which connected to the
floppy port. However, the rate of transfer will be very slow.  A special
INIT may be needed.

Conclusion:
Overall, most believe that the 128K Mac can still be a useful machine for
simple jobs.

Thanks to all those who helped.

Leo G. Leduc
leo@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:58:36 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: 911 Utilities

Murph said:

> Maybe I should get
> the 911 Utilities too?

I have been very happy with the predecessor of 911 Utilities,
1st Aid HFS. I've recovered many damaged disks with it.
I haven't gotten around to upgrading, so I can't critique the latest
version.-Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 13:53:55 -0500
From: gwerner@cc.brynmawr.edu
Subject: A/ROSE?  What is it?

Hello, I was wondering.....

When I installed System 7.1 on my Mac IIcx, an extension named A/ROSE was
put into the extension folder.  It's Icon depicts a mac with nubus cards
above it with two black arrows in between pointing up and down.


any ideas?

Gordon Werner

gwerner@cc.bryynmawr.edu
gwerner@haverford.edu

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:57:55 -0800
From: Michael Ross <mross@antigone.uu.holonet.net>
Subject: Announcing a new DTP-L

 -----------------------------
Announcing DTP-L the Desktop Publishing Information distribution
list!
 -----------------------------

I am glad to be able to revive the noble efforts of Glenn Reid from
several years ago. Hopefully this list will become your most trusted
source of information for Desktop Publishing on the net.

This list provides a forum for discussion across platforms of Desktop

Publishing solutions, whether hardware, software or imagineware.
How-to, why-can't-I and when-will-they questions are just as
acceptable as philosophcal meta-discussions.


To subscribe send mail to LISTSERV@ANTIGONE.UU.HOLONET.NET which
says:
SUBSCRIBE DTP-L Your_full_name
where Your_full_name is really your name...

Note: This list is both distributed and digested. You will be given
the option when you subscribe as to which you prefer.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:51:28 CST
From: jbudzik@imsa.edu (Jerome Budzik)
Subject: AppleColor 13" RGB monitors

I have an Apple monitor that has a blown capacitor.  I have heard that there
is a free service from Apple to fix these things.  If you would please give
me info on the process, I would greatly appreciate it.

-Jay
(jbudzik@imsasun.imsa.edu)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:15:34 GMT
From: me@suzuka.u-strasbg.fr (Michel Eytan LILoL)
Subject: A Round of Applause Please!

in I-M v10 #294, Jon Pugh writes:

>So, a big virtual round of applause for Bill Lipa.  May he never be run over
>by a bus because he is irreplaceable.

I would like to join in the Applause and Double, Treble or better Decuple it.
Bill
Lipa does a great job; I for one am most grateful to him -- and also to his
predecessors
like Jon whom I have not had the pleasure to know. I would also like to thank
again
all the dedicated programmers out there making available free- (or nominal-fee
share-)
ware for all of us. Last but not least, thanks to the many Netters who make
I-M what it
is today, giving freely their precious advice and opinions for those of us who
are less
knowledgeable. As we gain in experience, we shall try to emulate them in our
turn.
This community spirit is what makes me stick to the Mac whatever the price,
#of softs
and Apple harassment (eg system7.1)  differential vs PC's.
--
Michel Eytan,  LILoL Univ. Strasbourg II
eytan@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr



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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 08:50:03 PST
From: jbthoo@ucdavis.edu (John Thoo)
Subject: AutoMenus II (Q)

I understand that the latest version is AutoMenus II 1.0.3.
Does anyone have this?  Archie came up empty handed. ^^^^^
Thanks.

--John.  <jb2@math.ucdavis.edu>

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:18:24 -0500
From: Michel Dery <Michel_Dery%UQTR.UQuebec.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Curve Fitting

Hi Netters,

I'd like to know the software's names availables making curve fitting.
I know the "Igor" one but I want to know if there's another
one better. (Like fitting 3 and more exponentials...)

	       Thanks in advance. Michel and Chantal
E-mail: dery@UQTR.UQuebec.ca

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 1:35 GMT
From: Simon Shum <SJS2@VAXB.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject: DeskWriter won't print MacDraw Pro (Q)

I have been unable to print from MacDraw Pro to my
DeskWriter (3.1 drivers).  The image is two large
characters (200pt) in a grey shade - not terribly complex.
Assigning hefty amounts of memory doesn't shift it (40M).

The drawing is spooled to the disk, and then HP PrintMonitor
either just sits there, quits cleanly, or freezes the cursor.

Any wisdom to offer?

thanks,

Simon

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:53:49 -0800
From: Michael Ross <mross@antigone.uu.holonet.net>
Subject: DTP-L Subscriptions

It's been brought to my attention that one of the intermediate
gateways serving LISTSERV is not happy with addresses all in UPPER
CASE LETTERS and has been bouncing mail right and left.

While we work to fix this problem, please address all mail,
submissions to DTP-L, and subscription requests to LISTSERV in
lower-case letters.

To subscribe to DTP-L, send mail to
<listserv@antigone.uu.holonet.net>

saying "subscribe dtp-l Your_full_name"

Please bear with us during our initial growing pains....! I apologize
for the inconvenience this problem may have caused and look forward
to seing you on DTP-L.

Michael Ross
List Manager

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 00:42:44 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: DTP-L Subscriptions

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:53:49 -0800 you said:
>It's been brought to my attention that one of the intermediate
>gateways serving LISTSERV is not happy with addresses all in UPPER
>CASE LETTERS and has been bouncing mail right and left.
>
>While we work to fix this problem, please address all mail,
>submissions to DTP-L, and subscription requests to LISTSERV in
>lower-case letters.

You WILL have a problem with some BITNET mail systems (and perhaps a
BITNET gateway or two) which translate addresses to upcase no matter
what the user does.  Years ago IBM decided that some things should not
be case sensitive, and that the default case would be upper (perhaps
they were still using 33 KSR TTYs at the time ;-)

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:12:36 -0800
From: Josh Berman <jberman@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>
Subject: Ethernet Cards for IIsi (Summary)

Several weeks ago I asked for advice about Ethernet cards for a IIsi with a
ComboCache installed (which means the Ethernet card has to be a PDS card.)
Here's a summary of the responses:

* FOCUS tech rep with info about company and cards
* satisfied FOCUS PDS card owner
* dissatisfied Dayna/satisfied Asante owner
* suggestion about looking into Cayman cards
* satisfied Asante owner
* satisfied Asante owner
* suggestion about looking into SCSI Ethernet cards if PDS is a no-go
* satisfied Asante owner

FOCUS and Asante appear to have cards that are almost exactly the same in
terms of performance and price.  Both companies offer an educational
discount, but I don't know if the Asante discount is available to
individual students/faculty.  (FOCUS's is if you ask for it)  I don't think
you can go wrong with either company.  Feel free to get in touch with me if
you have specific questions about what I found out.

Josh

(ps. Thanks to everyone who answered my request.  It sure is nice to be
able to make an informed decision not based on advertising hype.)

Josh Berman     jberman@jarthur.claremont.edu   (714) 621-8555 x4264
	       Platt Campus Center; HMC        Claremont, CA  91711

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:15:06 -0600
From: igorl@uiuc.edu (Igor Livshits)
Subject: Excel 4.0 - BH Menu = Nasty bus error

Howdy,

My apologies if this bug was reported before...

Apparently, Excel 4.0 does not like it when the Balloon Help menu has been
hidden.  I have repeatedly hit a bus error while working with charts in
Excel.  The other features seem to work fine, but while in a charting
window, numerous actions trigger a crash (especially, while dialogs and
windows are activating or deactivating).

These errors appear to be independent of which control panel or extension
hid the BH menu.  I have repeated the crash with SpeedyFinder7 about 57
times this afternoon.  When I originally got the upgrade, I experienced
similar crashes.  They mysteriously went away after I stopped using an
extension (No Help Menu, I think -- the icon was a cracked help balloon)
and have surfaced again today as I was working with Excel.

Running SpeedyFinder7 with BH menu showing has not had any detrimental
effects on Excel, yet.  These crashes have been confirmed on an fx and a
ci.  Both running 7.0.1 with tuner 1.1.1.  Addressing mode does not seem to
matter.

Question is, why the &*&*(^&*^* does Excel rely on the BH menu being visible?


Cheers, Igor
_____
>From home, e: igorl@uiuc.edu,  w: (217) 244-5606

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:06:14 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Fetch-to-StuffIT Expander

On Thu, 10 Dec 1992 14:55:11 PST you said:
>In the Info-Mac Digest, vol. 10, issue 278, you indicated that Fetch could "
>be configured to use Apple Events to pass files to StuffIT Expander" and to
>Disk Doubler. Would you be so kind and tell me how does one do this? I read
>the documentation for both programs and it was not obvious to me what you
>had in mind.

Under "Post-processing" in the Configure menu

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:07:39 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Finding parent of a folder window

On Thu, 10 Dec 92 16:25:11 -0500 you said:
>In the heading of nifty utilities, something that would modify the title
>bar of a Finder window to open and select the folder which contains that
>window would be appreciated.  I didn't find anything in the info-mac
>abstracts.
>
>[System 7 will do this if you hold down the command key and click on the
> window title. -Bill]

If, like me, you find holding down the command key annoying,
get /info-mac/ex/hierarchy.hqx  There was an INIT that provided the same
function under System 6, but it's been so long that I no longer remember
what it was :-(

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:18:32 -0800
From: marcush@leland.stanford.edu (Marcus Edward Hennecke)
Subject: How to connect a modem

Hi fellow Mac users,

I'm thinking of bringing my Mac Classic to Germany and give it to my mother
for Christmas (I need a faster one and my mother needs it for word
processing). Since the power supply of the Classic is not of the kind that
adapts itself to the voltage (please correct me if I'm wrong), she'd be
using a transformer, which we have. However, she is currently using an
Atari ST for her Wordprocessing and a Hayes compatible Modem to connect to
a university computer to read her e-mail. It would be nice if she could at
least keep the modem. Is there an inexpensive way to connect a modem with
RS232 interface to a Mac? Or would you rather recommend to buy a new modem?
The university's modem connection isn't very fast, only 1200 baud I
believe, so a faster modem may not be worth it, but in the future, who
knows? Or maybe I can talk my mother into a fax modem? But that may get too
expensive. Basically, I'm not quite sure what to do right now. What do you
think?

Thanks in advance for your replies,

Marcus
marcush@leland.stanford.edu

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:14:31 CST
From: ehfm@midway.uchicago.edu (Eric Hoffmann)
Subject: HP on-line support

In a recent posting, Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU> inquired:

"Maybe there's a better way - tech support had closed early for the day
when I called. Does HP have anyone on-line?"

Yes, they do. According to Jerry Decime, who works for HP's Customer
Support Center's Alternate Distribution Group, HP can be reached via

AppleLink:  ABU
CompuServe:  Ted Dickens, 76701,272

Jerry writes that:

"CompuServe is not an "official" support medium; however, I and a few
others do participate daily in customer support issues. Ted will be able to
post any message he gets to the rest of the forum."

> To the keepers of the various "vendors" listings, you should also add that
HP
>maintains an 800 number Fax Information Retrieval system at 800/333-1917 --
>the number also includes automated voice support.

I tried to contact the various people involved with "vendors" listings, but
am not sure if the mail went through or not.


Eric Hoffmann

[ehfm@midway.uchicago.edu]

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Date: 12 Dec 92 11:36:09 EST
From: Charlie Summers <72257.140@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Kennect - Still Exist?

Folks;

   Anyone know if Kennect Technologies (manufacturers of the Rapport device)
still exists? If so, anyone have an address/phone number? (The 800 number in
the manual has been disconnected.) If not, anyone know if/what company has
taken over support of the device?

   Thanks!

	  Charlie Summers

***
* REPLYS == ("lof@mcimail.com" .OR. "72257.140@compuserve.com")
***

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Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:09:46 -0600 (CST)
From: BILL SIMPSON <WSIMPSON@UWPG02.BITNET>
Subject: keyboard extension cable

I am using a Mac IIsi for an expt.  I would like the monitor to sit
on the Mac case some distance away from the viewer, who uses the
keyboard.  I would to get an extension cable so the viewer could be
say 4 metres from the Mac and still be able to use the keyboard.
Does anyone know where I can get such a thing?

Thanks very much for any help.

Bill Simpson

------------------------------

Date: 12 Dec 92 15:31:28 GMT
From: dmeyers@mal-s2.gatech.edu (Dave Meyers)
Subject: Lisp on the mac (A)

In digest <9212120054.AA20238@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU>
Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>Anyhow, I was recently looking for a LISP implementation on the mac for
>hacking around at home. I found several Lisp or Scheme varients around, but
>by far the best was XLISP, which is freeware. It is a very good

>I found it at mac.archive.umich.edu, in the /development/languages
>subdirectory. The file is xlispstat2.1r2.cpt.hqx. This version includes a
>lot of statistics packages which you can keep or not. There is a version
>for machines with or without coprocessor. I took home just the application
>without, and apparently left some resources behind because it opened with
>no menu items. Not having cut and paste was a major pain. I just opened the
>coprocessor version on my IIx at work to get this info, and the menus are
>there. Boy, that would have made programming easier! It seems to have a
>nice editing/interpretting environment.

The copy I have is version 2.0, runs on my Plus, and came with a
documentation file about 60 or so pages long (text).  I'll be
more than happy to upload it somewhere, if you like (let me know
where).  The date on the documentation is a couple of years old,
so there may be a more recent version.  But, like I said, this
one works great, has the menus, etc.

(I think I may have gotten it off compuspend, though I don't
remember for sure).

--David

--
-- David S. Meyers (dmeyers@math.gatech.edu)

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:32:44 GMT
From: dbutcher@shelley.u.washington.edu (Derek Butcher)
Subject: Modem Problems

Please, somebody help me with this modem problem/question that has bothered me
forever:

In trying to get maximum throughput I finally read my modem manual from front
to back and it said that I should enable hardware handshaking, which I had
heard before. My problem is this: first, how do I know if my cable is a
hardware handshaker? I tried setting the flow control in my terminal program
(Microphone II) from Xon/Xoff to Hardware, and then checked the startup
script included with Microphone for US Robotics modems, and the script, which
automatically checks to see what the software flow control is, *did* have the
same sequence of characters the modem manual recommended for when the script
detects "hardware" as the setting. So Microphone seemed to know what it was
doing.

So, I set software flow to "Hardware" and restarted to see if the correct
script came up and to check for any speed improvements. The right script
did come up, but the modem returned an error message. However, when I issued
the commands contained in the init script in blocks of about 4 commands each,
there was no problem. Does this mean my cable is capable of hardware
handshaking or not, and what is going on?

------------------------------

Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:59:00 -0400
From: Kevin Lesniewicz <LESNIEWICZ@a1.mec.mass.edu>
Subject: MovieShop--Quicktime Aid (where?)

An article in MacUser mentions MovieShop, an Apple utility available
free on AppleLink that eliminates problems of QuickTime jerkiness. Has
anyone heard of this? Is it available via FTP? (Archie said no, and
I couldn't find it on F.A.C.)

Thanks in advance,
Kevin  (Internet: lesniewicz@a1.mec.mass.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:21:09 -0800
From: Michael Ross <mross@antigone.uu.holonet.net>
Subject: NeXT SIMMs in Mac IIci (A)

>NeXT SIMMs:  Our lab has the oppurtunity to acquire four SIMMs
>From a NeXTStation that a friend's professor is upgrading. I'd like
>to confirm that we can use these in our Mac IIci. (I see no reason
>why not, but I've been wrong before;).

Yes, if the NeXTstation is really a NeXTstation, NOT a NeXTstation
Turbo or NeXTstation Color. These beasties use 72 pin SIMMS.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:04:31 est
From: "Maxwell Smart (Soell, Oliver)" <SOELL@DICKINSON.EDU>
Subject: old laserwriters

Howdy!
	I'm in the market for an old laser printer. All I need, in fact, is a
postscript printer. What's a good price for the certain models (any
manufacturer) and what's the probability that anyone would sell?

thanks

Oliver Soell
Dickinson College
Soell@Dickinson.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:11:50 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: PowerPC with Taligent OS vs DEC Alpha with Windows NT.

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:54:50 GMT you said:
>Will any PowerPC run the new OS that's being developed by Apple and IBM
>at Taligent?

It would be downright WEIRD if it didn't since Taligent OS is being
written FOR the PowerPC ;-)  The PowerPC will be delivered initially
with Power Open, a UNIX operating System (can you say "Open Look"), but
the user interface should look familiar since it's none other than <tah,
tah> Finder 7 (the interface many <most?> of us are using now).  Power
Open will ALSO run MS-DOS, OS/2, and Windows 3.x applications along with
Macintosh applications right out of the box (note that's APPLICATIONS,
your mileage will vary on your favorite system extensions)

>If so, it seems that the market will change drasticlly when Apple is
>faced with hardware/software compatibles made by third parties.

Apple ALREADY a faces third party software, except for System software.
What makes you think that the PowerPC ROMs are going to be any easier to
clone than the current Macintosh ROMs?  I doubt that IBM wants another
round of easy to clone ROMs.  It's NOT the CPU that matters (other
hardware uses the Motorola 68000 family but that hasn't led to much in
the way of Macintosh clones--even the Amiga's AMAX board depends on
getting a set of Macintosh ROMs from somewhere).  The more complex the
system, the harder it is to clone the ROM code.  I don't expect the
market to change much on that account.

>It's a little different from the PC compatibles because IBM and Apple
>will have shares of the OS profits which are now all garnered by
>Microsoft from the PCs.

OS/2, the Rodney Dangerfield operating system--no respect.  There's
DRDOS too which may be more of a player now that it's been bought up by
Novell which may start bundling it with Netware and Netware Lite.
Still, Microsoft IS the 600 pound gorilla in today's market.

>Will the fees for hardware/software rights be so high that any
>competition will be forced to be as expensive as Apple?  Or will there
>be an explosion of cheap compatibles like there is for the PCs?

If you're trying to forecast, here's what's shaping up--the Intel
Pentium and DEC Alpha systems running Windows NT versus the PowerPC
running Power Open (plus the usual assortment of UNIX wanna be's still
trying to find a place in the desktop market).  I didn't forget about
Solaris; I just don't think Sun is going to escape the niche market
they're in already.  It also looks like NEC will succeed in leaving MIPS
without any major players left in the ACE Consortium.

Right now I give the edge to the PowerPC because even though Windows NT
applications will run on either an Alpha or Pentium platform, they can't
be native code on both.  Hence, an application will necessarily run
better on one than the other.  That's going to cause DEC and Intel to
compete with each other for the hearts and minds of developers and
possibly leave customers wondering which one to commit to.  Buying the
PowerPC is likely to look like the sure bet.

>And what is Microsoft planning in case the PowerPCs become dominant.
>Will they have some PowerPC version of windows?

Microsoft probably will offer a version of Windows NT for the PowerPC.
It probably will be possible to run it, Power Open and Taligent OS all
at the same time.  The question is, why would anyone need all those
operating systems?  If Power Open does everything it's supposed to do,
then Taligent OS is going to have to be something else in order to get
people to switch (especially when switching is going to require $$$).

Microsoft also is likely to be THE major vendor of applications for the
PowerPC.  Microsoft's idea is going to be that most users won't even
know what the operating system is.  Word, Excel, and the rest will look
and act IDENTICAL under all those operating systems, and the file
formats will be identical as well, so data can be moved transparently
>From one to another.  In the end, it's going to be total system
performance (hardware + operating system + applications) that's going to
move the merchandise (or not).

Look for 1994 to be "deja vu"--1982 all over again ;-)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:02:15 GMT
From: rth@netcom.com (Robert Hughes)
Subject: Printing of half tone images onto a StyleWriter? (C)

GIFConverter will transform a greyscale into 360dpi halftone or
dithered for output to a StyleWriter. It's shareware and
widely available.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:08:00 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Random Startup Sound

On Thu, 10 Dec 92 06:44:06 EST you said:
>I would like to see someone create a startup application for system 7
>that randomly plays a sound file from a selected folder.  I have many
>sounds that I would love to alternate and do not want to play them all
>at once.  I know that there is a cdev to randomize your system beep, but
>that is not what I am looking for. Also, I would like to see an
>application so there is no init code, or memory hogging, or possible
>conflict with anything.

The SndControl control panel in
/info-mac/sound/program/sound-manager-package-176.hqx will let you
select random sounds for startups and dozens of other functions
(including sysbeeps, of course).  It'll even let you keep typing while
the clock strikes 12.

A startup sound requires some sort of INIT because applications don't
run until after Finder launches.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:24:05 PST
From: gregg@CS.Stanford.EDU
Subject: RTF (Rich Text Format) specs

I'm trying to use Think C to create text files based on specific
information, but I want to output something that will be easily
formatted. I thought about outputting RTF, which is recognized by
various word processors. This would solve the formatting problem and
make the output compatible with more than one word processor.

But to do this, I need RTF specs. Does anybody know where I could get
them?

Thanks in advance,
Gregg L. Kasten
gregg@cs.stanford.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:31:41 PST
From: Gregg L. Kasten <gregg@CS.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: RTF (Rich Text Format) Specs found!

In answer to my own question:

I was told that one can obtain RTF specs by calling Microsoft.

Gregg L. Kasten

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:01:46 EST
From: tdk94@gram.cc.geneseo.edu (Thomas Killian)
Subject: SE and Raster Ops problem

I have an SE with a Raster Ops accelerator and full page monitor. The problem
is that most every morning when I turn it on I get a sad mac, I turn it off
and
on again, and it works fine 90% of the time.  I have reinstalled the system
(6.0.8) many times with no luck.  I even changed the power supply. Before I
changed the power supply I also experienced problems with the built in screen,
but since changing it I only have the sad mac problem.  Does this mean that I
have a bad accelerator.  Anyone with a suggestion please e-mail me directly.

	Thanks in advance,
	Tom Killian

	tdk94@gram.cc.geneseo.edu
	killian@cs.geneseo.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:25:27 -0500
From: tonyh@lynx.msc.cornell.edu (Tony Huang)
Subject: Self-rejoining segmented files (A)

Richard Lim <RTL@SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK> worte in Info-Mac Digest V10 #294,
>Are there any utilities out there which will segment a file in such a way
>that the files can be rejoined without the original application being
>present?
>I sometimes want to distribute very large files which won't fit on floppies
>and I don't want to have to pass around the utility which did the file
>splitting as well.

The only program that I know of that does what you want is MoreDiskSapce.
Unfortunately, it's not a seperate utility - you have to install MDS (which
patches the System file) in order to create the self-joining segments.

Tony Huang
tonyh@msc.cornell.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:59:46 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Snooper

> I have a user that's experiencing waviness on her SE/30 monitor.
> The whole display shimmers and shakes.  I've run Snooper on it, but
> nothing unusual shows up.

This is a fairly common problem, but Snooper finds nothing. I've seen
Snooper say the mouse wa bad on a perfectly good Quadra 700. Has
anyone had good experience with Snooper?

I am probably much too late for the person who asked this question
(about a week ago) but Larry Pina's Dead Mac Scrolls lists a few similar
scenarios complete with the exact part which needs replacing and
estimated costs. Publisher: Goldstein & Blair, $32, ISBN 0-940235-25-0.
Individual copies call: (510) 524-4000. Quantity discounts for users'
groups, etc. Distribution to the book trade is through Publishers Group
West (510) 658-3453.-Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

------------------------------

Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:12:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "William M. Porter" <WMPORTER@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Subject: Spacesaver spurns internal HD (Q)

I am using StuffIt Deluxe 3.03 (latest version, methinks) and SpaceSaver
1.02 (ditto). Here is the rub. When I select an uncompressed file on my
external, Mirror 45Mb drive and pull down in Magic Menu to "Compress,"
voila! it gets magically compressed by Spacesaver, as God intended. But if
I try the same thing on a file on my internal, Apple 40Mb drive, zip, zero,
zilch, nada, nothing.

Anybody have a clue what's going on here? I tried the usual diagnostic--
rebooting without loading other, potentially conflicting extensions--but to
no avail. Actually, I'm not sure whether SpacSaver is working on my
internal drive at all. There are some files compressed on it (as indicated
by the "SpaceSaver Info..." command in MM) and they will decompress well
enough if I try to open them. But I can't seem to get anything to
recompress.

FWIW, I'm using an LCII, running System 7.0.1 (+ TU 1.0.1). I've got 8Mb
RAM. Interesting other extensions: QuicKeys, After Dark, ATM, DiskExpress
II, SpeedyFinder7 1.54, and just a few others. I just started trying out
SpeedyFinder7, and I'm kind of suspicious of it, but I did try turning it
off, and that didn't help. Could a corrupt System file account for this
behavior? Replacing the System is the one thing I haven't done: it's such a
pain. TIA.

Will Porter / U. of Houston

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:22:37 -0600
From: Milamber Teloneax <rpb1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Startup sound app

>There is one idea that I have that I would like to see someone post
>here at Info-Mac.  I am not a programmer, therefore I do not have the
>talent to compose such a device.  I would like to see someone create a
>startup application for system 7 that randomly plays a sound file from
>a selected folder.  I have many sounds that I would love to alternate
>and do not want to play them all at once.  I know that there is a cdev
>to randomize your system beep, but that is not what I am looking for.

Actually, the best way (in my opinion, obviously) to do this is to use the
INIT (I know you specifically said "not an INIT", see end of message)
Randomizer (mac.archive.umich.edu
/mac/system.extensions/init/randomizer1.2.sit.hqx). It will randomly (or
consecutively) choose a file from a specified folder and copy it over a
specified file. The specified file must exist already for Randomizer to
replace it: it will not create a replacement (this is so you can turn
options off temporarily, I assume). Any number of folder/file pairs can be
specified. (Note: It does not recognize aliases as aliases, but it probably
(I haven't tried) duplicates/replaces them correctly.) It has no user
interface; all changes must be made to STR resources with ResEdit, but the
directions are helpful enough, and it's not difficult. If my description
contained too many "specified"s for you then here is a description of how I
have it set up:
----
In my Preferences folder is a folder called Randomizer. It contains 3 more
folders: StartUpScreens, DeskPictures, and StartUpSounds, each containing
appropriate pictures in startupscreen format or sounds in standard System 7
format. In my System folder are two startupscreen format pictures:
StartUpScreen and DeskPicture (for the INIT DeskPict). In the Startup Items
folder is a System 7 format sound named ~~StartUpSound (named to go
absolutely last--after ~Darkside, which I run last so I always start up in
the finder). When starting up, Randomizer chooses the StartUpScreen and
DeskPicture for my next session (DeskPict has already read the picture that
used to be there) and the StartUpSound to be played (remember opening a
sound plays it and the Startup Items folder opens everything in it upon
startup) when the computer is finished starting up.
----
Although Randomizer is an init, it does not do anything except copy files
on startup. I haven't had any problems with it, and in fact, I really doubt
that it adds any code to the system or has any other effect on the
computer. It does what it says--only what it says--and then its gone.
Perhaps if this program is ever updated it will be made into an
application, although I see little need

(If anyone wants further/clearer information or specific instructions on
what/how to modify (preferably for my setup) then feel free to mail me
directly)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:30:52 -0500
From: jfw@jfwhome.funhouse.COM
Subject: Startup sound app

In Regards to your letter <199212110117.AA18672@nwnexus.wa.com>:
> I would like to see someone create a
> startup application for system 7 that randomly plays a sound file from
> a selected folder.

I use Randomizer to pick a System 7 sound file from a folder and drop
a copy into the Startup Items folder.  Randomizer is an INIT which will
pick a file out of a folder and copy it to somewhere else; by configuring
(via ResEdit) which folder(s) and file(s) to use, it can set up a startup
screen, a startup sound, a screen background, and lots of other things.
Randomizer is available from the usual FTP sources.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:29:58 -0600
From: Arvid Burns <aburns@plains.NoDak.edu>
Subject: Suggestions for Ethernet

I'm looking to convert a lab over to ethernet. The lab consists of
22 Mac IIcx machines. Does anyone have a suggestion on cards? How
cheap can I get away with? Also, has anyone been able to use Likewise
over an ethernet network to restore machines.

One more thing... how compatible are the quadra machines ethernet to
the various ethernet cards?

thanks
Arvid Burns     aburns@plains.nodak.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:10:37 GMT
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Sumex mirrors

Someone recommended:
130.235.20.3 (in Sweden)

There is another mirror in Berlin, Germany:
ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de[130.149.17.7]:/pub/mac/mirrors/stanford
ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de[130.149.17.7]:/pub/mac/mirrors/apple

Sven :)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:29:28 PST
From: Paul Brians <BRIANS@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
Subject: Thank yous

I can think of one situation in which thank yous are generally not
appreciated: where the person being thanked pays substantial fees to
receive or read mail (such as a CompuServe subscriber getting mail
via the Internet Gateway). Otherwise, I appreciate thanks, just as a
confirmation that my information got through, and I usually try to send
them.  But folks should remember that if they don't get thanks, the
other party may not be being rude: there are a multitude of reasons
a message might not get through.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:16:45 -0500
From: Bob Kerns <rwk@world.std.com>
Subject: The fifteen minute battery (R)

    Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 08:23:49 +0100
    From: krona@nada.kth.se

    > You can imagine my surprise when, on trying to use it off
    > battery power, it went into sleep mode after just fifteen minutes!

    A bad charging circuit could also give a variation of this theme. It has
    been pointed out several times in this digest and elsewhere on the net
    that if the charging plug is damaged, it may blow a fuse on the motherbord
    which will stop any further charging, but leave the ability to run off the
    mains intact.

A couple other points:

1)  The software charging indicator detects that the charging plug is
    in place, and *not* whether or not there is any power coming from it.

2)  Some PowerBook 100's have defective soldering on the power connectors.
    Insufficient solder was retained on the pads to the connectors.  The
    solder is the sole mechanical support for the connector, and the plugs
    stick out a ways and can apply significant force.  (They should have
    used a right-angle plug).  Anyway, after a while, the solder may fatigue
    and fracture, leading to intermittent charging.

3)  It's possible for batteries to be defective.

Good luck.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:41:24 -0700 (MST)
From: DHF@ALPHA.SUNQUEST.COM (dave)
Subject: Upload of text files Mac-to-Unix-to-Vax (Q)

I have  what may appear to be a very simple problem. I upload
a text file to a Unix machine using ZMODEM. It translates CR/LF
to what Unix likes to see. Now I FTP this Unix file to a VAX, but
there is no translation back. I have also tried uploading without
translating the CR/LF, but this still doesn't work in getting
a file that is readable to the VAX. Am I missing something here ?
I checked out every FAQ document I can find to no avail. Is there
something out there that will convert a file once I get it to the
VAX ? Any and all assistance would be appreciated, thanks !

Dave Foard
dhf@alpha.sunquest.com

BTW - I know there is lot's of stuff available to convert Unix-to-Mac
and vice versa as I have reviewed much of it (Macify, Chunk-it, etc.).

------------------------------

Date: 12 Dec 92 15:20:05 GMT
From: dmeyers@mal-s2.gatech.edu (Dave Meyers)
Subject: What's up at mac.archive.umich

In digest <9212120054.AA20238@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU>
Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>Since the number of signons was (severely) cut back during the day, I haven't
>been able to get near the archives at Michigan. Unfortunately, I can only
>connect from my comjputer at work, and am getting used to the daytime denial

I just found out that there is a gopher server running which
lets you into the archives.  IT probably won't have the
access problems that straight ftp does.  If you have a Mac on
the net, there is an excellent gopher client for it, if you
use a unix box for net access (as I do), there is a curses (text)
clent for that.

Try: port 70 @gopher.uis.itd.umich.edu, under the special topics
menu.  That gets you to a mac archive menu, with access to both
sumex and umich archives.

Sumex prefers that you use gopher if you can, too.

--David

--
-- David S. Meyers (dmeyers@math.gatech.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:15:16 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: What's up at mac.archive.umich

On Fri, 11 Dec 92 07:05:33 -0500 you said:
>Since the number of signons was (severely) cut back during the day, I
>haven't been able to get near the archives at Michigan. Unfortunately, I
>can only connect from my comjputer at work, and am getting used to the
>daytime denial by the UMich archives. Query - is there anything recent
>there that hasn't shown up at sumex? And if so, could someone cross-load
>it here, where the new, bigger and beefier drive can certainly store it?
>Will we ever have free access to Umich? Do they need rescuing from the
>incredible shrinking ray device? Enquiring minds want to know!

As a practical matter, you have two choices-

1) Come to work before 6 am when more logins are allowed ;-)

2) Use Gopher (requires TCP/IP--if you don't have TCP/IP there may be a
Gopher client for your host).  The UMichigan archives are available via
gopher.uis.itd.umich.edu.  I've got a "bookmark" setup in Turbo Gopher
that points to the UMich archives for easy access (another points to
info-mac, but that one comes with Turbo ;-)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:20:03 EST
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: What's up at mac.archive.umich

 Um, actually, maybe we do need 'saving' from the ray gun you spoke of..
Merit has pledged support, but we haven't seen any. Disk space is plentiful
these days (more plentiful then that at sumex, or so I'm told), but we're
using other people's workstations to act as FTP servers, and currently,
the 'donated' servers are in a building with an older network, and the traffic
is too much for it.. Perhaps if lots of people complain, then something can
be worked out. Mike is trying very hard to remedy the situation, but I don't
see it getting better soon.. :( <just a personal opinion, of course>

 In the meantime, BART (our mailserver) is glad to serve you.. I'm afraid
I can't do any better then that, except say that I was really pissed off when
this message plops into my mailbox telling me the archives are being choked
to death...

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:19:48 -0500
From: tonyh@lynx.msc.cornell.edu (Tony Huang)
Subject: What's up at mac.archive.umich (C)

Steve Marsh <marsh2@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil> wrote in Info-Mac Digest V10 #294,
>Since the number of signons was (severely) cut back during the day, I haven't
>been able to get near the archives at Michigan. Unfortunately, I can only
>connect from my computer at work, and am getting used to the daytime denial
>by the UMich archives.

If you must access the umich archives during the day, connect to the umich
gopher server (using TurboGopher, for example) instead of the ftp server.
Gophering is more efficient while browsing since it doesn't have to stay
connected.

Tony Huang
tonyh@msc.cornell.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:56:27 -0500
From: mike@mac.archive.umich.edu
Subject: What's up at mac.archive.umich.edu



>From: "Steve Marsh"  <marsh2@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil>
>Subject: What's up at mac.archive.umich

>Since the number of signons was (severely) cut back during the day, I haven't
>been able to get near the archives at Michigan. Unfortunately, I can only
>connect from my computer at work, and am getting used to the daytime denial
>by the UMich archives. Query - is there anything recent there that hasn't
shown
>up at sumex? And if so, could someone cross-load it here, where the new,
bigger
>and beefier drive can certainly store it? Will we ever have free access to
>Umich?

Hi Steve....

	The problem wasn't with the computer (which can handle up to 100
connections easily) or the disk space (which so far seems to know no
bounds, but this may change very soon), but actually with the network
in the building that holds the main ftp machine for the archive.

	If I walked into the building and looked up at the router during
business hours, I would see a red light blinking indicating major packet
collisions (i.e. it was being severely overloaded).  Right at the moment
I'm working as hard as possible to find some other ftp machines in other
locations around the U-Michigan that we can use.  I'll let you know
when this happens.

	If you have AFS access, there isn't a quota at all and you can freely
"cd" into the archives.  Just make a link in your AFS home directory to
the U-M Software Archives in /afs/umich.edu/group/itd/archive/mac and then
ftp/Fetch to your local AFS machine.

	I'm also very pleased to announce Gopher access to our archives.  I
	sent
out the message to the folks at U-Mn asking them to include us in their
list of gopher-accessible archive sites.  If you want to use Gopher
access right now, you can access the U-Michigan Gopher server at
port 70 of gopher.uis.itd.umich.edu (we're in the "special topics" section).

	And I'm still very optimistic that in the future, Stanford and U-M's
archive can work together on shareware and public domain libraries.
If there's any suggestions or things we can do to help, please DO send
us e-mail.  Our address for comments is "comments@mac.archive.umich.edu".
Questions about the archive can always be sent to to
"questions@mac.archive.umich.edu".  Hope that helps...

mike@mac.archive.umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:57:40 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Word files in use (when they're not!)

> I have noticed that after closing a file in Word 5.0a--but not quitting
> Word--that I am unable to trash the file from the finder. I get the
> "can't delete file, file in use" message. After quitting Word, I am able
> to trash the file.

> I'm not sure why this happens. Could it be there is still a Word-temp
> file that exists that is "the open file"?

That's probably correct. I notice if I copy data from Document A
and paste it into Document B, close Document A, then I can't delete
Document B.

If I remember correctly (this was discussed some time ago) someone
suggested Saving the file so the Mac would no longer think the file
was busy. After some trial and error on and off the last few weeks
I finally figured it out. In case in there's someone out there who was
also unable to figure it out, use SAVE AS... and replace the file. THEN
you can delete the file. This works with Word 4.0 but I haven't tried it
with 5.0 or 5.1. -Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:31 EST
From: CDCLARK@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU
Subject: WP 2.1 ---> WP 5.1

Hey there --

I just recently upgraded my WP 2.0 to 2.1 "Yeah" and need a bit o' info.

I have been attempting to transfer my files from WP 2.1 to WP 5.1
and whenever I transfer the margins and fontsize don't seem to transfer
correctly or at all for that matter.  THe other problem because the font
size and margins don't transfer - the tabs seem to get screwed up.
Anythoughts on the matter would be appreciated - basically I want to be
able to transfer a complete document from wp 2.1 -> wp 5.1 nad by the way i
am using the save as format of wp.5.1 when saving the file on my mac.


-- Thanks cdclark@indsvax1.indstate.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:28:23 +0000
From: James Thomson <thomsonj@dcs.gla.ac.uk>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest