From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Milans's at it again.
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:03:27 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Milan Pavlovic (pavlovic-milan@yale.edu) writes:
>  Well, let me tell you something, Sharon.  Back in 1990, there were
>anti-Serbian riots in the town of Foca, which is in Bosnia. Then the Serbs in
>Foca wanted to protest against discrimination from the muslim majority in the
>town, but the brutal commie police forces forbade the Serbs from holding any
>demonstration or saying anything public about being oppressed by the majority
>muslims. This is but one example of the Serbian suffering in Bosnia.

What do you know about Croat and Muslim suffering in Bosnia? Do you
care about it? I wouldn't really the say that the incident justifies
the current activities in B-H? Do you?

>  And Sharon, I don't think you have the right to go to the Serbs, 750,000 of
>whom were massacred by the Ustashi in WWII, and tell them "how dare you
>not want to live in a Bosnian state."  It's their right to live in their own
>state if they want to.  They own 60-65 % of the land, so why shouldn't they
>be allowed to live on it in peace as they like?  How dare you grant yourself
>the right to tell others where & how they should live?

And to get this state of their own, they have to kill or expel those
unfortunate Muslims and Croats who are living on or in conjunction to 
this sacred 60-65%? That is why they should go to war and kill every-
thing unfaithful in sight?

In another article he writes:
>  Beg your pardon?  Are you telling me that abrodnik, the man who replicated
>the ultimate misuser of Usenet, Hasan B-) Mutlu, in cross posting tons and tons
>of propaganda for over a year, is one who wants peace?  Is this the same
>arrogant Andrej Brodnik we're talking about here, the arrrogant, racist,
>pretentious abrodnik who tried to shup up the Serbian side of the story the
>minute DVV started posting articles about the crimes of Croats?

I think it is apparent to most people who have been following s.c.yu
from its creation who appears as a friend of piece and who does not
of the two, Andrej Brodnik and Milan Pavlovic. If there should be any
doubt with regards to Milan, just consider the quotes above.

>(BTW, Dr. Wickerhauser doesn't even come close to this high level of hatred;
>I think I've only heard 2 people hate Serbs so much - that Croatian radio
>announcer and Andrej Brodnik; Doc's a nice guy if you were to compare him
>to these two).

It's popular among the Serbs to slam Victor Wickerhauser, but again, I
find Milan Pavlovic's postings much more hateful that the Wickerhauser's.

In another article, in response to Andrej Brodnik:
>  I never asked for your forgiveness, Mr. Brodnik!  Now, are you telling me
>something about hatred?  Let me quote one of your sentences from back in
>February of this year, which I still vividly remember because of the
>incredible amount of animosity that it contained:
>
>"Dr. Efstratiadis, I'd be ashamed to be your son."

And, you Milan, I would be ashamed if you were my son. That does not
that hate you, but that I find you very embarrassing, for yourself,
your people and for making Yale look like a kindergarten.

And speaking of that Doc, and hatred, Milan, what do you think about the
article posted from Doctor Serafim's account with the words "Erland,
your days are numbered?" What does that mean? Or because it was posted
by a Greek, and therefore an ally of yours it was justified?

>  And what about your ultimate lie, repeated every month in the "South Slavic
>Mailing Lists", that the magazine "Vreme" has been published since the "fall
>of 1989", when you know very well that the first issue came out on Oct. 29, 
>1990, as I pointed out to you over 5 times already?

This is so incredibly ridiculous that I have to ask: how old are you
Milan? You mentioned having been a teenager, but this paragraph makes
it difficult to believe that you have reached that stage yet. Andrej
Brodnik has explained a number of times who is responsible for the
text in question, but you have refused to listen. And if you call this
detail "the ultimate lie", I wonder what words you would like to use
for all the other much more gross and much more severe lies which have
been spread in conjuction with these wars.

Milan Pavlovic has said that he detests the war and that he thinks Milo-
sevic is a scumbag. But it is very difficult to find him as a friend of
peace. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and not call him war
monger - it would not be undeserved - but blame his zealous postings to
defend Serbian national pride on his youth, and the lack of understanding
that the sentiments that he presents in his articles are exactly those 
that keep this bloody war going on.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.