HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Re: testing
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:07:41 GMT

>Hi, this is a test.
>-- 
>Asher Daniels
>call 1-800-4-MOSHIACH
Whatever you are testing works, except you did not reach MOSHIACH.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
   
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   *    ***         ***
   *   nissan reuven b'R Shami     (norm)           
   *   
   *   "EVERYWHERE I GO, I GO TO ISRAEL!"
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From: broner@ACF1.NYU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The center of Jewish belief
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:31:22 GMT
Organization: New York University, NY, NY
Reply-To: broner@ACF1.NYU.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: acf1.nyu.edu

                    IT'S AT THE CENTER OF JEWISH BELIEF
For two thousand years Jews have concluded their Seder and their Yom
Yom Kippur services with "Next Year in Jerusalem". The traditional prayer
book contains over 60 references in the daily prayers to the redemption
and the coming of Moshiach. The belief in the coming of Moshiach is one
of the 13 essential articles of Jewish faith. Along with belief in the
Creator goes the belief that the ultimate purpose of the Creator of the
world will be realized. Finally in our time, the Lubavitcher Rebbe has
declared that it's about to happen.
       See it, learn about it. Do some good to be more ready for it.
                             Find out more.
                         CALL 1-800-4-MOSHIACH
          The call is free. (In Canada call 1-800-2-MASHIACH)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Thirteen tribes :)
From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:10:29 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan21.143431.203485@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> This should get some people scratching their heads:
> 
> There were thirteen Israelite tribes not twelve:
> 
> 1.) Judah
> 2.) Benjamin
> 3.) Simeon
> 4.) Levi
> 5.) Ephraim
> 6.) Menasseh
> 7.) Asher
> 8.) Gad
> 9.) Reuben
> 10.) Issacher
> 11.) Zebulun
> 12.) Naphtali
> 13.) Dan
> 
> We may also consider the Kohanim to be a 14th tribe of Aaron.

???? That is a strong statement.

> 
> This raises an interesting question. Who are the 10 "lost" tribes meant to be.
> We all know that Judah and Benjamin were not exiled by the Assyrians, and if you
> check up you'll see that neither was Simeon. Also the Levites and Kohanim were
> not lost. This leaves only 9 "lost" tribes. :)

Where should I check up for information about Simeon?

                                Victor  Abkevich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Orthodoxy and Health (Was Re: Orthadox Judaism and women)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:54:18 GMT

In <1k19faINNg00@umbc4.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

   If overall mortality rates among charedim are no different that
   that of the rest of population, the apparent protection from CHD
   must be compensated for by increased risk of some other kind
   (drowning in the mikve :-)?).

Sharks?
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From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ANTISEMITE - Is there a better word?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:42:07 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <93022.0226022893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
 (Andy) writes:
> BY the way, one of Toronto's local neo-nazi groups used to get together
> at Druxy's Deli after meetings, apparently not realising the irony
> of Nazis getting together in a Jewish Deli talking among themselves
> about the Jewish conspiracy over Lox and Cream Cheese.
> 
> These guys are stupid, stupid, stupid!

	Is that a prerequisite for hating Jews (and other people)?
					Robert Siegfried
					Computer Science Dept.
					Saint Peter's College
					Jersey City, NJ  07306
					siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Canaan (was Re: Eretz etc etc)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:43:50 +0200
Keywords: canaan
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1993Jan24.140810.20615@nighthawk.clearpoint.com>, martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.153952.203449@uctvax.uct.ac.za> naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> 
>>> The Canaanites are people who occupied what is now called Syria, Lebanon, 
>>> Palestine, and parts of Iraq. It is also beleived that Babylon (Bab-El) was
>>> actually founded by Canaanites, since they were the first people to name city
>>> gates after their Gods. It is also beleived that the Phoenicians who at one
>>> time occupied the coasts of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and parts of turkey are
>>> part of the Canaanite tribes.
> 
>>False. The term "Canaanites" literally means people from Canaan (western
>>ancient Israel). 
> 
> The etymology for Kna`an seems much more complicated.  The root
> meaning of Kna`ani seems to be merchant.  Kna`an may be a
> back-formation.  When Semitic speakers came into the region, they
> asked the local people who they were.  The local people designated
> themselves as merchants or Kna`anim.  The Semitic speakers then
> concluded that the region must be Kna`an.
> 
The meaning "merchant" for Knaani is considered to be late. The the term was
used particularly for the coastal Canaanites and these people spoke Hebrew!!!
These coastal Canaanites became the merchant class of the Jews and so the word
Knaani came to mean merchant in Hebrew. (The expansion of the term Knaani to
include non-Hebrew speaking people such as the Hittites, Hivites, Girgashites
and Jebusites was also late.)

Knaan has a very natural Hebrew meaning, "the one that bends". The land of
Canaan starts low at the coast curves upward and "bends over" to get lower in 
the Jordan valley. 

Canaan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Chabad *has* gone crazy.
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:34:59 GMT

	Overheard from a class at a Chabad school in Israel:

Rabbi to class: "He's [the Rebbe] suffering for all of us."
Student to rabbi: "Well, he's certainly not suffering for *his* sins."

	Sound familiar to anyone?  It scares the wits out of me.
When Schneerson dies all that's left is to start babbling about a Second
Coming... 

-- Cerebus <tjm@floyd.brooks.af.mil>
"I worry that they'll stop being Jewish..."
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Neo-nazis exploit Hebrew...
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:56:16 +0200
Keywords: racism
Organization: University of Cape Town

>>
>>( Despite what most people think, there are probabaly less neo-Nazis and
>>racists in South Africa both in absolute terms and percentage-wise than in the
>>USA, so you  don't have to worry about this kind of thinking overtaking SA.)
> 
> Is that so???   What does Colin mean by "overtaking"?
> 
>>Colin
>  Michael Shimshoni

I meant that you don't have to worry about vast amounts of people (White or
otherwise) falling for such a silly racist argument.

From reports of racist violence in the USA, I get the strong impression that
there is far more racism in the States than in SA. Despite the fact that I live
in South Africa, I can honestly say that I have never ever met anyone who can
truly be called a racist. The Ku Klux Klan style of racism is actually quite
rare in SA.

As for Apartheid, I leave you with this thought:
How come the people who whine about Apartheid in SA often turn out to be the
same people who think that Apartheid in Israel is just dandy and that Jews
should be forcefully removed from the West Bank and Gaza strip which should be
exclusively Arab land. How come the people who bark at SA are usually the same
people who want to stop Jews from living in East Jerusalem. Can you imagine the
outcry if SA passed a law that said that Blacks can't live in East Cape Town. :)

Colin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: @SEARN.SUNET.SE: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET
Subject:      MASTURBATION/HANDSHAKING Halachah-Forbidden?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <@SEARN.SUNET.SE: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:36:37 GMT

Are the following things forbidden by Halachah (Jewish Law)?
(1) Fe/male MASTURBATION
(2) HANDSHAKES
    (a) Jewish Female:Jewish Male
    (b) Jewish:Nonjewish
        (aa) Jew/ess:Goy/ah Idolater/ress
        (bb) Jew/ess:Goy/ah Nonidolater/ress
Your references, opinions, comments, etc. much welcome. Thanks.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Torah Morals)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:15:57 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)

In article <199301201351.AA09370@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>True, "eved" (slave) is also used  for servant, Moses was called God's
>eved.  On the  other hand in the articles Herman  refers to, "slavery"
>is pretty  close to what is  understood by that word  in English, with
>perhaps some softening of *some* of its harshest aspects.

I can only assume that Michael is unfamiliar with slavery in American
history.  Slaves were the literal property of their masters, and could
be and were frequently treated like animals.  Or worse.

This is what is usually understood by that word in English.  It is
nothing like the Biblical "eved".
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler))
Subject: Re: ANTISEMITE - Is there a better word?
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:50:51 GMT

mswihart@bisque.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:

>In a recent posting, it was written:

>>>Do people think that the word "antisemite" properly conveys its
>>intended use to >mean a person against Jews and Judaism? Technically,
>>semites are members of a >group which share the semitic languages and
>>include Jews, Arabs, Assyrians etc, >all of whom are descendants of
>>Shem. How about Judeophobe?

>IMHO, Judeophobe is a very poor choice as it seems to imply that
>the person in question suffers from Judeophobia. I do not wish to
>see anti-Jewish thoughts/beliefs/actions classified as the
>result of a phobia as though they were the result of a psycological
>condition such as clausterphobia, agoraphobia, etc. First of all,
>this seems to presume that ALL anti-Jewish sentiments are the
>result of fear.

This is exactly why I find the term "homophobe" to be useless as best and
divisive at worst.
-- 
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From: sdubin@igc.apc.org (Stephen Dubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Niddah and Pregnancy
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:13:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1jphv5INNops@geraldo.cc.utexas.e:699170414:cdp:1473600033:000:579
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sdubin    Jan 26 17:13:00 1993


While on the topic of contraception, I wonder whether there has been any
recent rabinical decisions on vasectomy.  I know that injury to the 
TESTICLES disqualifies one from being part of the  kehilah, but vasectomy
actually is done on the vasa defferentia.  In particular I wonder whether
the rabbis have ever considered that - of all the methods of contraception
that might be used after the obligation of procreation has been fulfilled -
vasectomy is the only one that prevents haschatat hazerah in the sense
that the spermatozoa are certainly the essential element of zerah.
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Thirteen tribes :)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:34:31 +0200
Keywords: qweerrty
Organization: University of Cape Town

This should get some people scratching their heads:

There were thirteen Israelite tribes not twelve:

1.) Judah
2.) Benjamin
3.) Simeon
4.) Levi
5.) Ephraim
6.) Menasseh
7.) Asher
8.) Gad
9.) Reuben
10.) Issacher
11.) Zebulun
12.) Naphtali
13.) Dan

We may also consider the Kohanim to be a 14th tribe of Aaron.

This raises an interesting question. Who are the 10 "lost" tribes meant to be.
We all know that Judah and Benjamin were not exiled by the Assyrians, and if you
check up you'll see that neither was Simeon. Also the Levites and Kohanim were
not lost. This leaves only 9 "lost" tribes. :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jhart@ee.ic.ac.uk (Joanna Hart)
Subject: Help on starting a womens service
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:37:25 GMT

In Hendon (NW London) there is a lot of interest in starting up a women-only service to be held once a month (initially).

If any orthodox/ conservative women out there have any experience of such a service I'd be really interested to hear any descriptions of how your service is run or any advice you can give to us.

The Rabbi at our shul is not at all keen on the idea as he feels it will split the community and has some vague (and unvoiced) halachic objections. As we are simply a group of young fairly religious (I would say orthodox but I don't know if this means the same thing in the US as it does here) women who would like to be involved in running our own service we don't feel especially divisive.

Replies by E-mail please, thanks

	Shalom

				Jo


-- 
___________________________________________________________________
Jo Hart	 (jhart@ee.ic.ac.uk)	| "Alas, for I have wasted time,
Imperial College, London	|  and now does time waste me..."
___________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Re: Susmaya devam eden laikler: Siz de katilsiniz!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:00:10 GMT

In article <C1JLnC.yr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ehsan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
(Ehsanullah Ateeqi) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan27.164416.46854@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, dd09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu 
>(DOST CAN DENIZ) writes:
>> ...
>> .......................................Ya yarin, bugun cevrenizde gordugunuz
>> yersiz yurtsuz Iranlilar gibi olmak veya
>> kendinizin/annenizin/kizkardesinizin/esinizin hic bir hakki olmadan iradesiz
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> bir hayvan gibi kapatilip hapsedilmesi hic mi icinizi yakmayacak? ....
>> ...
>> D.C.Deniz
>
>Ya yarin, "kendinizin/annenizin/kizkardesinizin/esinizin", "Genelev hizmeti"ne
>de katilmasi, cok mu hosunuza gidecek? Buyurun bakin:
>
>   In article <C1J361.4o4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu 
>   (Emre Erkut) writes:
>   > ...
>   > Manukyana gelince, buyuksirket patronlari gibi vergisini kacirmayip
>   > odedigi icin, bence onaylanacak bir insandir. Genelev hizmetine
>                                                   ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>   > karsiysaniz, Anadolu'da bu isler nasil olur bilirsiniz.
>   > ...
>   > Turkiye laiktir ve oyle kalacaktir.
>   > ...
>   > Emre Erkut                            
>
>
>Iste laiklik, iste demokrasi !!!!
>
>Ehsan 
>

Ehsanullah Bey kardesim:

Laikligin ve/veya demokrasinin insanin "kendisini/annesini/kizkardesini/
esini"  "genelev hizmetine" yonelttigi sonucuna saglikli bir dusunce ile
varmak mumkun degil. Ayni sey laik ve demokratik sistemlerde var olan her
meslek icin de soylenebilinir o zaman. Emre Erkut'un yazisinda "genelev
hizmetlerin"ne olan alternatifleri yazmasindan da laik ve demokratik dusunce
sahiplerinin bu meslek dalina yonelebilecekleri cikarimi da ayni sagliksiz
mantigin urunu olsa gerek.

Siz iki ayri yazida rastladiginiz materyali kendinize gore birlestirip
seviyesiz bir kinayede bulunmaya calisiyorsunuz. Oldu mu hic? Yakisiyor mu
size?    

	...Bana sorarsaniz EVET!

--
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 10:11:16 TUR
From: <A11452@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject:    Ugur Mumcu

        Ataturkcu, Cumhuriyetci, tam bagimsizlikci,laik, anti-emperyalist, Kalp
aksiz Kuvayi Milliyeci UGUR MUMCU'yu kaybettik.
        Aydinlik Turkiye icin calisan bu guclu kalem susturuldu. Ne ilk ne de s
on demokrasi sehidimiz MUMCU.
        "Katil katildir, ister sagci ister solcu olsun, katillere siyasi gorusl
erine gre paye verilemez" derdi. Bir insan olarak hepimizi bu saldiriyi kinama
ya, onun anisi onunde egilmeye cagiriyorum.
        Kalbimizde ve dusuncelerini paylasan herkesin mucadelelerinde yasamaya
devam edecek MUMCU.

        Tuna Demirer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: an2778@anon.penet.fi (zeynep)
Subject: anonymous posting
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:21:14 GMT


Bir deneyelim bakalim 6147 kardes. 

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From: tolga@cwis.unomaha.edu (akin ugur tosyali)
Subject: Re: Islama Kalkan Eller Kirilacaktir!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:40:16 GMT

aahmed@qucdn.queensu.ca  writes:
> Bismillahirrahmanirrahim.
> 
> Ugur Mumcu konusunda soylediklerimi yanlis anlayipta Hakki abinin
> dedigi gibi 'millet'mi 'ulus'mu ,her ne gruba aitseniz,onu temsil
> eden cevaplar vermissiniz..
> Ben "Oh iyi olsun" demedim.Sadece muslumanlara saldiran diller
> kesilmeli,kalkan kollar kirilmali dedim..Siz sabah aksam
> Hz.Muhammad'e (S.A.V) hakaret ederken iyide biz fikrimizi beyan
> edincemi kotu..Siz bas pezo'nun emirleri ile Muslumanlari katlederken
> iyi,sizden biri oluncemi kotu?.
> Ugur Mumcu hepinize ders olmali.
> Sayin Remzi kardesinde belirttigi gibi,Mumcu gibiler bize her zaman
> lazimdir,Kotu olmadan iyiyi anlayamayiz ve goremeyiz.
> 
> Mumcu bir komunist bozuntusu idi,olmesi bir insanin olmesi kadar
> bizi uzer.Sizin efendiniz Amerika din kardeslerimiz Irak halkini
> 100 binlerce oldurdugu zaman hic boyle tepkiler gostermediniz.
> Ne yaparsaniz yapin,Islamin gucu karsisinda kimse dayanamayacaktir.
> 
> Allah-u Ekbar
> 
> Ahmed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kaya@me.unda.edu (Kaya T. Guralp)
Subject: Re: KAYA BUDA NE- CIK AYIP
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:59:54 GMT

*> From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
*> Subject: KAYA BUDA NE- CIK AYIP

*> >    8. Kible :
*> >              Muslumanlarin namaz kilarken ki, kullandiklari yon,
*> >              ilk once Kudus'tu. Diger taraftan Hanifiler, doguya ve batiya
*> >              dogru namaz kilarlardi. Medine'de Yahudileri kendisine
*> >              ..........
*>      Mr Kaya burada  beni gercekden GULDURDUN.  Hanifilerden hanefi
*>      mezhebinden olanlari kasdediyorsan. Elinde alinti yaptigin kitabi
*>      yazan efendiye sor. Peygambe zamaninda HANIFILIK DIYE BIR MEZHEP MI
*>      VARDI. BU KADARDA OLMAZKI. SIMDI  DAHA  bunu bilmeyen biri kalmis 
*>      islam hakkinda ahkam kesmis. Kaya guldurme beni!!!!!!!!!!
*>  Onun icin yazinin diger tarafindaki hikayelere cevap  verme ihtiyaci
*> bile duymuyorum.
*>    Remzi Cirit

Eh Remzi, ortaya cikip Islam'i biliyorum diyen sensin ve en temel
olaylardan birisini bilmiyorsun, aslinda sana bilgisizsin de demek
istemiyorum cunku sana olsa olsa cahil lafi yakisir.

Efendim, Cahiliye donemi Arap dunyasinda bir kisim insanin, Hz.
Ibrahim'in dinini surdurduklerini iddia ettikleri biliyor. Islam'da bu
gurup insanlara Hanifi ya da Sabii deniliyor. Denilene gore Hz. Muhammed
de bir sabii/hanifi imis. Bunu one surenler genellikle su olaya dikkat
cekiyorlar:

    Muhammed'e, ilk vahiy Hira dagindaki magarada geldikten sonra,
    kosarak eve gitmis. Karisi Hatice'ye olayi anlatmis ve bu sirada
    da korkudan/acliktan/vs.. titriyormus. HATICE KOCASININ NEYI
    OLDUGUNU SORMAK UZERE HANiFi OLAN KO"R KUZENI VARAKA'YA GITMIS. VARAKA DA
    MUHAMMED'IN ARAPLARCA UZUN SUREDEN BERI BEKLENEN PEYGAMBER OLDUGUNU
    SOYLEMIS. DAHA SONRA MUHAMMED ILE BERABER GIDIP VARAKA'YLA KONUSMUSLAR. 

Varaka'nin bir hanif oldugu butun herkesce kabul ediliyor. Muhammed de bir
hanifti ve bu olay sonrasinda bilgili bir hanif olan Varaka'ya danisildi.
Kuran'da ismi sIkca gecen Hz. Ibrahim'in ismi buna bir kanittir.
Muhammed, Hz. Ibrahim'in de bir muslim oldugunu iddia etmistir.

Remzi, senden ufacik bir ricam olacak. Bilip bilmeden konusma, cehaletini
herkese gostermekten cekin. Cunku senden ne koy olur ne kasaba. Besbelli
ki, her zaman referans verdigin Haykal'in kitabini iyice okumamissin.
Elindeki referanslarin zavalliligina da bakinca zaten bundan fazlasi
da beklenmez. Ingilizce Kuran'dan tercume yapiyorsun. Yalan soyleme huyun
var, bilip bilmeden konusuyorsun, isine geldigini kabul edip gelmeyenleri
reddediyorsun, Islami felsefe konusunda ciddi hatalarin var, tarzan
gibi de ortaliga cikmaya pek bir hevesin var.

   Unutma, bilmemek degil ogrenmemek ayiptir. Umarim bir daha bana cevap
   yazarken dikkatli olursun. Cunku bu kadar insanin zamanini bosu bosuna
   yalan yanlis suclamalarla harciyorsun. Her zaman dedigim gibi,
   namaz kilip, oruc tutmakla, peygamberlere inanmakla musluman
   olunmaz.

kaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Subject: Smiley'ler
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:29:55 GMT



Merhaba Arkadaslar !

Bazilari Smiley'leri cok kulaniyor basilarisa hic.
Onun icin bilmiyenlere degisik anamli Smiley'leri
topladim, umarim hosunusa gider.

:-)    Na bunu biliyorus, standard-Smiley, sak, iyi bir his

:)     sevincli

;-)    bir gosunu cirpan bir smiley, onceki soyleni ciddi alma

:-)))  cok cok sevincli, bazanda siskoluk civ cene

;-)=)  goc cirpan ve buyuk bir gulus, her 32 disi gorunuyor

:->    sarkasmen, aci istihza

:-[    batici sseri gulmek

:-/    bu konu useri dicemi bilmiyorum

:-<    uzgun, bunu hic komik bulmuyorum

:-(    cok uzgun

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uga.edu (Ramazan Hatipoglu)
Subject: Kufursever Turk-genci 
Summary: none
Keywords: na
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:44:49 GMT

Esselamun sutlac,

Hakki'yi hedef alarak yazilmis bu tur yazilarin anlami nedir?
Ben kufur'e karsi degilim ancak hedefledigi amaci anlayamadim.Eger amac
hedef alinan simge'nin bir daha boyle seyler yazmasini onlemek idiyse,
bence tam tersine hizmet eder. Eger (birden fazla kullanildigina gore)
rezil etmekse,tam tersine mazlum eder ve yazan kisinin savundugu degerleri
kucultur.

Bu yuzden bana bu yazi PROVAKASYON gibi gorundu.Ancak,nasil olursa olsun,
bunu yazan Tosun arkadasin kufur haznesi oldukca genis,fakat kufurlerin
kalitesi dusuk.Bu kadar bir araba dolusu laf,cok daha kisa ve etkili
sekildede anlatilabilinirdi.Bu kufursever Turk gencinin biraz daha
calismasi gerekiyor galiba.

Ramazan
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