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From: bards_n@oleander.cs.odu.edu (Nathan Bardsley)
Subject: Re: Sandman Question ...
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:30:25 GMT


Arrgh!  You're right.  Don't mind me, I'm just going to bang my head against
the wall here...
-- 
Nathan Bardsley -- bards_n@cs.odu.edu
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McReviews: JLA #72
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:06:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1993Jan23.164600.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>	Squadron Supreme first appeared in Avengers 89, in the *late 60s*,
						    ^^
>and was deliberately the first JLA/Avengers crossover.  JLA 89 featured a
							     ^^

Pure coincidence?  (Assuming that these numbers ARE correct.)
--MikE...I like the number 36 myself...
 
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From: ainsi@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Robert Bristol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: IMAGE et al.
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:24:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Just a word in defense of the Image crew.  I think they deserve 
quite a bit of respect for having the balls to go out and trying something
this nutty on their own (OK, so Malibu is baby-sitting them ... but still)

Now something about the artists themselves.
	When reading the titles I get the following ideas about their creators.

	Liefield - He has a lot of ideas but no patience to carry them through.
		   Perhaps if someone sat him down and MADE him write out a
		   characterization of each character, he wouldn't be 
		   processing so many different characters.

	McFarlane - I get the iea that he is a businessman with a talent for 
		    art and he is useing that to make a living.  Like he knows
		    how to play the general audience.  Look at Spawn:  Unknown
		    history (Wolverine or any other hot character these days),
		    Seemingly unending powers (any Marvel-zombie loves this),
		    A mean streak (see "history" above),  A limit to his powers
		    (this is new, but it does add a bit of un-cheesiness to the
		    unending power thing) ... you see what I'm getting at.  He
		    knows what sells and he is giving it to us.

	Lee - 	I get the idea that this man loves doing this job.  He puts
		thought into his stories and his characters as well as their 
		history.  AND he does some killer fight scenes.  My friend 
		thinks that he may have learned something from Claremont and
		I tend to agree with him.

	I'd love to see comment on this (or the other guys, I don't know much
	about them)

	And in closing .. I think Spawn and WildCATS are the only good things
	to come out of this IMAGE explosion.  Spawn has a palatable story,
	good art, and it IS on time.  WildCATS is, face it, a rollickin' good
	time.  Lee knows how to string you along by getting these guys into 
	a really bad situation and then leaving you hanging until next month.
	And, he usually does it in an interesting way, not marvel chees.
	(Did anyone see WildCATS3?  He plawed 'em all under and opened a gate
	to a new world.  I want to see him get out of this AND keep my respect)

		-Later
	
	PS:  I thought the only redeeming feature of PITT were the expletives.
                (and the colors, of course)
From: randy@lust.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Randy Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Gaiman, Moore and Dark Horse Presents
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:42:20 GMT
Organization: Digital Projects Group, JPL
Expires: 15 Feb 93
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Summary: Info wanted
Keywords: Gaiman, Moore, Dark Horse, FAQ

Does anyone have a list of books written by Alan Moore
and/or Neil Gaiman?

Does anyone have a list (by issue) of features and authors
that have appeared in Dark Horse Presents?

I realize that the answers to these questions may be in the FAQ,
but I haven't seen one posted since I began looking at the beginning
of the year.

-Randy Brown
From: cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cages: Information Please
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:01:33 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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In article <1993Jan27.151707.23034@inel.gov> mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar) writes:
>>In article <C1HpB0.3ow@news2.cis.umn.edu> bert@snowman.med.umn.edu (Albert Nakano  CBN) writes:
>>>Could someone please post a brief synopsis of what Cages is about?  Who is the
>>>writer, how many issues is scheduled, from which publisher, etc would be very
>>>appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

>It's hard to tell if it is going to have a slight supernatural
>bent.

Oh, God, I hope not.  That would just ruin it for me.  The spooky mood
is find, but if one of the characters turns out to be into the occult
or something, I think I might puke.

>What I find 
>interesting is I hated McKean's artwork for the Death Aids awareness
>insert, but the same type of art in Cages is very effective.  (Don't
>ask me why I like it in one book but not in another, I'm not sure
>why I feel that way).  This is one book where the reader has to spend 
>time on the art in each panel as well as read the words.

I agree; McKean's artwork is very appropriate for some stories, not so for
others.

                                    *Joe Gorde*

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From: das1417@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Grenadier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme and Shi'ar Imperial Guard
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:42:38 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <86642@ut-emx.uucp> heath@anchor.as.utexas.edu (James Heath) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.053250.14128@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>	John Byrne did a Superman issue where Supes confronted Blok, Brainy, 
>Sun Boy and Invisible Kid (? -- I think...).  He later did an FF story "Man
>and Superman" where Gladiator took on the FF.  The covers with Supes/Gladiator
>triumphant over the LSH/FF were curiously similar...

Actually, the FF issue came first.  It was Fantastic 4 #250.  Curiously
enough, the title of the issue was "X-Factor" due to the appearance
of Skrulls disguised as the X-Men.  This is also where we get the theory
of Gladiator's strength and flight being partially based in psionics
which later carried over into Byrne's Superman (force field, can fly
more weight than he can lift, etc.) 

The Superman issue was somewhere around #8.  It was during the Death of
Superboy arc.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Greater Chicago r.a.c. Dinner on Thursday 1/28
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: il
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:15:29 GMT


Tom Galloway suggested I post this:

	We're going to meet at 6:30 PM on Thursday at the Schezuan Garden
	restaurant in Naperville, Il.  "We" in the statement above refers
	to Tom Galloway, Glenn Carnagey, Philip Birmingham, and myself.

	If you would care to join us, e-mail me for directions.  Or you
	can call me at:
		Home:  (708) 305 0825
		Work:  (708) 979 5825
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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:09:43 GMT

In article <C1JAu4.MFE@fc.hp.com> daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> (GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
>Actually, I can see the motivation for artists to associate themselves
>with Image.  Regardless of the quality, it allows them to reap the
>benefits of their work.  For a sure seller like Moore, this should 
>be quite attractive.
>

What is the big complaint about Image?  Lack of writing.
Why do people buy Image titles?  For the art.

Image has a stable of artists that no other company can touch.
Add to that the best writers in the business (and who's top 10
list wouldn't have Gaiman, Sim, Moore, and Miller?), and I can
name two struggling giants that should be afraid.  Very afraid.

Why are G,S,M and M doing it?  To produce some of the best comics
in a long long time.

jfs

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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Who's Funnier and Missed Deadlines
Keywords: deadlines, Foglio, Buck Godot, What's New
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:57:31 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.221359.29871@nmt.edu> cknight@nmt.edu (Chris Knight) writes:
>
>Then there is the "What's New" compilation.  Luckily this no longer counts as
>it is finally being published. Yea

Volume 1 of the "What's New" compilation has been out for awhile now. It
had a problem with bad distribution and so a lot of people missed it. It
is available by mail order from Palliard. Drop me an e-mail note if you
want details.

Volume 2 seeing the light of day is still contingent on enough of Volume
1 being sold. The last time I checked, they were hoping to get it out 
during the second half of 1993. 

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From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick Singley)
Subject: Omaha Cat Dancer
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:39:36 GMT

Hmmm, I didn't see this show up, so I'll post again...
This is the only .group I can think of to ask.  At a SF Con, I picked up four
compilations of the comic-book Omaha cat dancer.  The fourth 'book' was
'to-be-cont.'  Are there really more of these out there? Only in the issue
form? e-mail if this is not a general interest thing...
Erick

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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:24:24 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I agree wholeheartedly. Rec.arts.comics.vertigo, of maybe
r.a.c.mature deserves to exist. You have my vote.

-- 
Daniel Roy, of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"			CARPE DIEM!!

"A man's science is another man's magic; 
 for all I know, Merlin was a physicist."
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:29:49 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1jvgmb$sgi@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.052940.29838@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>)And, what do we make of calling attention to the fact that Morpheus is
>)not Apollo?  'Course I'm probably reading too much into that, could be
>)a throwaway I suppose.
>)Glenn
>
>	Well, recall that in the original myths Orpheus was the child
>of Apollo and Calliope. It's therefore natural, when Dream refers to
>Orpheus as his son, for Kris to think that that's who he is.

Yup, that's why I wondered why he called attention to the apparent
contradiction.  But like I said, it may not mean anything.

Pax ex machina, 
Glenn
......................................................................
"But why would you not want Apollo as your lover"
"Well, for one thing, I kept getting sunburned in the most embarassing 
   places!"
     --- Plato and Cassandra
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: LNH: Roster UpDate
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Since wReam is too busy to do the roster, I have volunteered to do it myself.
Ream has sent me this insane file, and there are people there who I have never
even heard of.  I hopefully will get this done soon. (IE the next 2 1/2 days).

If you haven't submitted an application for your hero, villian, or whoever,
please mail it to v129j6ed@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu . 

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:44:51 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.sandman

There's no way a new group would work out if a "judgment call" is necessary.
Basically, that's saying that all the good comics can be discussed here and
all the formula 501 ( :D ) can be discussed in the other group.  You can't
draw the borders of the groups on a line of opinion.  Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
is the best way to go and is a much needed split of the overloaded rac.misc.

                                                   --Eric
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From: ROWJOSP@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: The Slightly Annotated Death #1
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 04:19:31 EST

This is rather obvious, but no one else has mentioned it:
 
The opening of _Death_ #1 makes a rather nice contrast to Death's
first appearance, in _Sandman_#8: the business about pigeons and
St. Paul's is reminiscent of "Mary Poppins", but Mad Hettie is not
the benign Bird Woman asking for "tuppence a bag"!
 
By the way, Sandman #8 took place in New York too; do you think
Death has a particular prediliction for NYC, or does she just
spend a lot of time there? :-)
 
Yours, Si Rowe
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From: jordan@castor (Chuckingham Palace)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: University of Georgia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:07 GMT

cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>Matt Wagner himself said in his intro in the first Starblaze _Mage_ graphic
>novel, that the inspiration for Kevin Matchstick was a drawing he did of 
>himself one day
[...]
>He goes on to describe the development of the character, including the shirt,
>and finishes with "Here was the hero I looking for. Inside myself."
>
>So Kevin Matchstick is Matt Wagner in more ways than just appearances.....

I got the impression, too, from: 1) a self-portrait Mr Wagner did that was
published in some magazine recently; 2) the fact that Kevin Matchstick's
appearance changed at the end of Mage and then in the filler-Mage story that
appeared in the Grendel story -- I assumed that Mr Wagner was drawing Kevin
the way he looked at the time; and 3) a quote in the recent issue of Grendel:
War Child (from the editor) that said in Mage II,  Kevin was probably going
to be bald (no offense, Matt.)

Chuck

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 40
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:57:37 GMT

leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:

>conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

>>In article <C16IKn.DEJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>>> mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>>> > sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) writes:
>>> >|>
>>> >|> MAIDEN -- The first Eve (The nameless)
>>> 
>>> >Nope. Nameless "died" in Metal Men.
>>> 
>>> Mike, you've completely confused me, you know that?

>>He's making a comics otaku joke.  "Nameless" was a late addition to the
>                      ^^^^^
>	Where'd you get this? From "Wired", or is it more well known?
>And why didn't you use an English equivalent, like "nerd" or
>"fanboy"?

becasue, silly, I am otaku, and the Master of Science knows this, and
since it was my question in the first place, and therefore I was the one
who *really* need to know the answer, as opposed to all those amused
Sandman fans following the thread, it would need no explanation.

Nerd is hardly polite.


bye now.


LJC, who also watches lots and lots of anime in her (sigh) copious
spare time....
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From: cg18ffi@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (no name)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Archer and Armstrong #9
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:28:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In regards to A & A #9, I think BWS is taking a vacation. I think writing and
drawing to separate books and trying to get them out in time as well as being
the big chesse in Valiant has taken a lot out of BWS

austin

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From: shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson)
Subject: Re: Scourge Hit List
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:55:18 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Here is the list from OHMU:

 Enforcer
Miracle Man
Hate-Monger III
Megatak
Melter
Titania (the wrestler from the Thing)
Basilisk
Hammer
Anvil
Fly
Death Adder
Blue Streak
Wraith
Bird-Man II
Turner D. Century
Cheetah
Commader Kraken
Cyclone
Firebrand
Grappler
Hellrazor
Hijacker
Jaguar
Letha
Mindwave
Mirage
Rapier
Ringer
Shellshock
Streeplejack II (who remembers the first?)
Vamp
Scourge I ?

 Scourges' first appearance is Iron Man #194, the death of the 
first Scourge was Cap. America #320.  Scourge has been shown as 
a henchman of the Red Skull in Cap America recently. 
  Most of these characters were in desperate need of being toasted,
and so we ended up with a whole loaf of toast. :-)
  This list is from 1986, so its probably a little out of date.

-shawn

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From: GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:52:04 GMT
 <1k4seoINNkan@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <lmc2nbINNq2t@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: Penn State University

Sorry, it's not money.  Dave Sim has already said he's donating the proceeds
from the issue to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund.

Alan Moore will soon be associated with Image in a big way anyway, when his
6 issue limited seriesestitled 1963, will be published under that banner.
What could be better than total creative control combined with a #1 issue that
practically every comics reader is going to try out?  It doesn't matter what
else is published under the Image banner, or for that matter what else was
published in previous issues of Spawn.  That won't affect the quality of Alan
Moore's or anybody else's work on their own installments (besides, Spawn
_is_ good, especially the first 4 issues, and definitely the 5th).  Do you
think Neil Gaiman is happy with _everything_ DC publishes?  Or does Miller
love everything that's b to avoid doing theevil?  I doubt it, but that's no
reason for these writersto avoid doing atheir own interpretations.

And, yes, Mcfarlane showed complete faith in these writers by letting them do
anything they wanted with his character.  Complete creative freedom.

On a sidenote, Moore will most likely avoid the trademark deals associated
with not having an editor by making 1963 bimonthly from the outset.

                                                      --Eric
From: dpn9407@venus.tamu.edu (Moldragon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Spawn #6 and #7
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:21 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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I found the storyline in these two issues of Spawn to be the worst yet in the 
run of the series.  In issue #6, Spawn and Overtkill have a big fight and Spawn 
loses.  In issue #7, the same thing happens but Spawn wins this time.  Boring 
(IMO).  Although the lead-in to issue #8 and the origin of the Spawn costume 
was tantalizing, nothing else in either of these two issues really grabbed my 
attention.  These issues were very disappointing, especially after issue #5, 
which I consider to be one of McFarlane's most powerful and best-written 
stories yet.  Anyway, I was wondering what other readers of Spawn thought of
these issues.  

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