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From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Need R. Gallina's tour schedge FAST!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:38:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr14.163833.4855
Organization: Black Leather Wings

In article <92104.210424JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu> <JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>Hey there!!  I know that just a few days ago, someone posted the
>touring info for Raeyln Gallina.
[...]
>Anyway, will someone PLEASE repost that schedge and/or send it directly
>to me!  I and Carol say THANKS in advance! ----JLR


Last repost.



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5/2           Boston         Hubba Hubba             617.492.9082
5/3                          Innovations in Leather  617.536.1546
5/16 - 5/17   NYC                                    212.222.9299



Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #4:  Nothing exceeds like excess."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: TATS AND CHLORINE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:17:18 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>In article <274.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:
>|> >        What people tend not to realize is that a tattoo is not ON,
>|> >        or even IN the skin, but UNDER the skin. So, while light
>|> >can    get in,  one it's healed, nothing ON the skin gets to it,
>|> >at
>|> >        all.
>|> 
>|> Too much sun (or a tanning salon) can fade a tat. Too much alcohol can
>|> blur one (check the tats on old sailors... it wasn't that the original
>|> artist was lousy, just that all that booze over the years has blurred
>|> the design).

>This is the first I've heard that alcohol has 
>any effect on tats.  Has anyone else heard this
>or did it come from Mr.Sansing's demonstrated
>powers of agenda-free observation and deduction?

>-- 
Drink enough alcohol and ANY tat will look blurred.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: rengen@skat.usc.edu (Robert Engen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Date: 14 Apr 1992 05:01:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <9204132140.AA05334@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman) writes:
>I think the top of the foot is okay, since part of my ankle tat ends up on 
>top of my foot.  HOWEVER, they said something about not being allowed to 
>tattoo into the area around the sole of the feet, over at Eddie's Skin Works.
>Something about healing problems and liability.  I know, because I asked 
>about getting some work around the edge of my sole.  (I can believe the 
>jittery-over-liability angle, knowing our society...)
>
>  --Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

With regard to getting a tat on the foot, I have been told by a number of 
tatooists (sp?) that they won't do one on the bottom of the foot, or at 
least recommend against it because of the fact that you shed so much skin
down there that it, the tatoo, would fade away or even disappear rather 
quickly.  Wether or not this is true I don't know, becuase 1) I don't have
a tatoo on the bottom of my foot, and 2) don't know any one who does, but
this does sound reasonable to me.  And I know that a tatoo is not on the 
surface of the skin, but I guess with the bottom of your foot, theres 
some different rules...

robert.


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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: AFTERCARE
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:07:53 GMT

In article <669.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>-> the skin is a little rough, and slightly raised, and it looks
>-> terrific
>
> My wife and I went to three local shops (the others being more than 100
>miles away) and looked at the photos on the walls.  One guy had maybe
>500 photos of his work, every single one of them welted. 


Almost every tattoo will look this way immediately after the tattoo artist
has stopped working.  Most photos which you see in tattoo studios are taken
at this point, which explains the "welting" in the photos.


>clumsy with the tattoo machine.  Looking at the artwork, I can believe
>it.  AB's didn't welt, and there's no discontinuity between the tattooed
>area and the rest of the skin.


I have welted on all of my tattoos.  After they heal, they are even with the
rest of my skin.  However, some strange set of conditions cause my tattoos
to stand up.  It is random, however, I know that certain areas tend to stand
out more than others.


No theories, just observations.



FWA
From: wy09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Walter Allen Young, III)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: piercing in pittsburgh?
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:20:31 GMT
Organization: Junior, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

does anyone know of any reliable piercers in the pittsburgh area?  i
called a local tatoo shop, and when i asked them if they did body
piercings they reacted as if i had just admitted that i liked shoving
yams into my ears or something malignant like that.
-lenny
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Jil's new studio
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:54:52 GMT

Jil, formerly of Reno, is now in Prescott Arizona.  (Nice area, near cliff
dwellings, all that.)  She is at Skin Alive Tattoos, and working by 
appointment only.  The phone number is (602) 772-2387.

  --Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
   --Tom Clancy
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Subject: RE: LEFT/RIGHT STANDARDS
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:54:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes
>rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>>But it does seem that, among men who have only one pierced ear,
>>the vast majority are pierced on the left.  And it's probably
>>safe to say that many of them chose to be pierced on the left
>>because of a widespread perception that right == gay...
> I've peirced my right ear a dozen or so times, I'm left handed,
>and thus can oply really reach the right ear to push the thing
>through.  I suspect that this is how the majority of first peirces
>woulnd up on the left. Leaving people to wonder why.....?

Naw, surely it's not something as SIMPLE and STRAIGHTFORWARD as that...
unless... unless, maybe all left-handed people are gay (or straight) and
all right-handed people are the opposite. Yeah, that HAS to be it.
                                                                                      
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:25:12 GMT

In article <460.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:
>>barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae) writes...
>>Well, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that to have Ben not
>>like us is a good thing. I mean, would you want this guy for a
>>*friend*? %^)
>
>Dear barb,
>  My message to whatever-his-name-was used something called "sarcasm".
>It was NOT intended to be taken SERIOUSLY. I forget that you folks are
>all college kids who are still locked in the "take everything at
>absolute face value" stage of life. I apologize. I'm used to dealing
>with adults.

You are grossly mistaken but I won't explain. 

I'll add tho, i'm not a college student.

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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Left/Right standards AGAIN (Was Re: info please)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:18:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Yup. When I went to the mall to get my right ear pierced, I indicated
>an approximate position on the lobe and said "you know, the usual place".
>The clerk said, "the usual place is in the left ear". Geez.

When I got my first set, I walked up and said "I want my ears pierced".  The
woman there said something like "One hole, right?".  I said "No, two.  Both".
She said "Two holes in one ear?"  Sigh.

My mother [unpierced] was going on about the sidedness business a few months
ago, reciting what she believed to be true.  She asked me what having both
sides meant.

-- 


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From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Subject: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN
Organization: Black Leather Wings
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:14:13 GMT

In article <s4r9hINN2p8@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames) writes:
>
>	Note followup to alt.flame.
>

Thanks for the warning :-).

>ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) snivels:
>>
>>Karl, you can't spell for shit, and you take everything TOO SERIOUSLY.
>>Get a life.
>
>	No, ben, dearie, I don't take *everything* seriously; you,
>	for instance, I don't think *anyone* takes seriously. I most
>	certainly do not.

Actually the only thing I take seriously about Mr. Sansing is the
danger of innocent people believing the "facts" he parades here;
Goddess only knows where he gets some of them from.  Although I've
dealt with most of them, one has been niggling at my commitments list
for a few days now.

Mr. Sansing twice intimated that piercing jewelry is made of brass.
Piercing jewelry is made to be as hypoallergenic as possible; after
all, it lives in intimate contact with your body for long periods of
time.  Body piercing jewelry (i.e. the defined and rather small market
that winds up in places other than ears) is made of 14k gold (alloyed
with I-don't-know-what), niobium, or surgical stainless steel.
Period.

I suspect that if most people put brass in their body for any length
of time they would suffer a severe allergic reaction.  I wouldn't be
at all surprised to find the stuff is poisonous.


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #4:  Nothing exceeds like excess."
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: RIGHT / LEFT CONVENTIONS
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:03:24 GMT

> As I remember, the Mr. Clean character in the old TV ads had a pierced
ear, but I'll be darned if I remember which one.
 
I sort of knew the guy who modeled for Mr. Clean.  He had them in BOTH ears.
And with a muscle-bound body like he had, you didn't want to ask any questions
he might take personally... ;-)

The rest of those guys--the earring was in the ear facing the painter/camera.
Gotta show off your cool jewelery, you know.

  --Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
   --Tom Clancy
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From: carol@phoenix.oise.on.ca (Carol Broderick)
Subject: I need a 14g - 12g taper needle
Distribution: tor
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:44:27 GMT

Just on the off chance that someone has one - does anyone want to sell me a
taper needle?  

Carol Broderick
(416) 538-2415
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Subject: TEMPORARY COVERUP OF A TA
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> i was wondering....(forgot to put this in my earlier post)..i plan on
-> getting a tattoo in black (and maybe a bit of blue) of a winding vine
-> type that curls around my ankle like a bracelet....
->
-> problem being that i act a lot with community theatre...many of my
-> costumes require flesh colored hose....
->
-> what would be a quick and easy way to cover this tat up?  bandaids?

 Band-Aids or other adhesive strips aren't a good idea.  Even if you're
not allergic to the adhesive, they tend to get gooey when you work up a
sweat.  Try wrapping your ankle in a couple of turns of gauze and
holding the gauze to itself with a piece of surgical tape.
                                                                                                           
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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: Re: AFTERCARE
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:51:52 GMT


In a previous article, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) says:

>Almost every tattoo will look this way immediately after the tattoo artist
>has stopped working.  Most photos which you see in tattoo studios are taken
>at this point, which explains the "welting" in the photos.
>
>I have welted on all of my tattoos.  After they heal, they are even with the
>rest of my skin.  However, some strange set of conditions cause my tattoos
>to stand up.  It is random, however, I know that certain areas tend to stand
>out more than others.
>
>No theories, just observations.

I'm told that different colors are made up of different chemicals. The
body may not react to most colors, but may be sensitive to a given
color resulting in that color being raised. I had a friend with a
tattoo of a panther clawing his arm. The panther was black and healed
flush with the surrounding skin. But he was sensitive to the red ink
that was used to indicate the panther's claw marks, and the red was
permanently raised. It was quite an effect.

Also I've found that a whip applied to tattooed skin produces a
different appearance than when applied to adjacent non-tattooed skin.
It appears to cause the tattooed skin to welt up all over again.

-- 
Steve Schochet                                 A Vote for Bush in '92 is a vote
I'net: af244@cleveland.freenet.edu             for Quayle in '96. Use your vote
B'net: af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm      wisely!
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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: tons o' tats questions
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:26:12 GMT

gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:

>3) i'd like to get a curling vine type tattoo that goes around my ankle like
>a bracelet....does anyone out there have one of these?  how much did it hurt?
>how long did it take?  how much did it cost?  where did you get it?  where
>did you come up with pattern from?

My SO had just such a tattoo done around here ankle last February;
we were both getting tats done so I was there.  It looks great!
She said itonly hurt a little except for around the tendon in the
back, which caused obvious pain.  But it wasn't unbearable, she said.
Pain's so subjective, of course.  She says she'd do it again in an
instant.  It cost $100 for about 2 hours of work.  She photocopied
the design from a book she'd had since she was a child, "Things to
Know" by Richard Scarry, using a reducing copier to get it to the
size she wanted it.  Craig at Electric Expressions in New Orleans
did it, very nice job with lots of minute detail and sharp colors.


>4) now, i know this is in the faq2, but i'm still worried...if you could
>all mail me specific rules for care of a tattoo after it is done....and rules
>for before you get the tattoo....i have sensitive skin..should i take
>some non aspirin thing before i have the tattoo done?  would should i do to
>get ready for it?

The biggest preparation, of course, is deciding on a design that you
feel good about.  Then, you should eat something before going (told to
me by Craig, the artist; I think just in case nerves get to you--It
doesn't physically make you weak at all).  I've heard that drinking
or aspirin makes you bleed more.  Wear something that allows you to
uncover the spot you want done, and that will be loose on the way home,
and enjoy the excitement!  You'll never forget it.

>i know this is a very detailed request...but i take this seriously..and i want
>this to be a work of art that will last....and i want it to be safe..

That's the important part.  You certainly shouldn't hesitate to ask
prospective artist about things like sterilization, using new needles,
what kinds of art they like to do, etc.  If you can, watch them working
on someone else.  A good artist is well worth the extra $--it's a life-
time thing.

Hope this helps--have fun!
                          Arlen
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:34:58 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Apr7.162144.22550@muddcs.claremont.edu> bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.105331.29967@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu writes:
>>(I just CAN'T be the only non-masochist liking piercings...)
>
>I don't think it's a question of masochism.  I definitely don't want to get
>into "my reason for getting perforated is better than yours," but for some 
>people (myself included) the pain is an integral part of the piercing.  
>There's a challenge in KNOWING that you're going to feel the pain, facing 
>your fear, and asserting your will to do the thing.  It doesn't feel any
>better to me than it would to anyone else -- it's just how you look at it.
>
>The act of being pierced with anesthesia seems to me somehow empty, like 
>artificial insemination instead of fucking.  But hey, whatever floats 
>your boat.  I guess there are just some people for whom the experience of 
>being pierced is more important than having the ring and some for whom the 
>experience is an inconvenience.  Personally, I feel sorry for the latter 
>group -- they're missing out.
---

    How is your attitude different than the born-again Christian who
really feels sorry for you not being saved?  Isn't life without Christ
somehow empty?

    Who are you to decide that something is right for everyone and feel
sorry for them when they don't get or have it?

    For me, I didn't use any anesthetics.  I don't like pain.  I have a
high pain threshold.  I didn't expect horrible pain.  There wasn't.  I'm
sure I could have asked for more pain, but I guess I figured if I really
wanted pain, I could go home and hit my finger with a hammer.

-wat-
--
***  Dances with Drums  ***
***    DoD #0492   Steed: Kawasaki '80 750LTD                             ***
:: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? ::
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Who is Ben Sansing and why is he so obnoxious?
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:01:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.152553.28438@mercury.cair.du.edu>  
tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>In article <29E27200.4263@noiro.acs.uci.edu> refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John  
P. Refling) writes:
>>I think that the last half dozen or so articles (in a row) by Ben
>>flaming all kinds of people answers what he is, but I still wonder
>>why he has to act that way.
>
>he has no life?

too easy.  he has a life and doesn't like it? oh _I_ know:

Top ten reasons why Ben flames rec.arts.bodyart

10. his crayon bodyart washed off too quickly
 9. the crochet work was a little too deep
 8. that temporal lobe pierce made him grumpier than usual
 7. someone in the covent told him he was funny, and he believed them
 6. those staple gun pierces REALLY hurt
 5. the library won't him borrow Gray's anatomy anymore after the drool stains
 4. he cannot figure out if left/right conevtions are HIS left/right or the
    person looking at him
 3. he cannot figure out that left/right conventions mean nothing
 2. his wyfie won't let him have a tattoo
 1. his mummy won't let him have a piercing

hey! it's all in good fun -- relax, get inked.
--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca 

ya know-- i used to be such a kind person on the net, guess i grew out of it.:)
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: A few questions
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:26:16 GMT

In article <92101.192653ASMJC@ASUACAD.BITNET> ASMJC@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>A few questions...

A few answers....


>Can a sunscreen or sunblock be added to tattoo ink, providing built-in
>sun protection?

No.  (Would you want that shit under your skin anyway?)


>Why are nipples never tattooed?

They are.


>Can acne damage tattoos?

Pimples do not damage tattoos.  However, a serious case of acne probably
would.



FWA

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: calf tats  was Re: foot tattoos
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 00:28:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.194721.8282@julian.uwo.ca> lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.152824.15630@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>
>>if my leg were shaved for a tat, would hair still grow there normally?
>>that would kinda look funny i htink.
>
>all the spots on my calf which have been shaved for tattoos have grown 
>back identical to how they were before inking. i saw no effect on hair
>growth.

i'll be finding out - i'm inked

>--
>Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
>     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
>            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
>            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
>         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.

tim
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Subject: RE: BORING EAR PIERCING Q
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan) writes
>Now, as to your manners:  this is the third time that Barb has claimed
>that stud guns don't work AT ALL for nose piercings, and she completely
>ignored our claims to the contrary the previous two times.  This
>time, she didn't seem to understand that it was a counter-example
>to her incorrect claim, not an opinion, so I clarified it.  Why,
>prey tell, did you feel it necessary to put up 50 lines of completely
>baseless name-calling?  Is this your new method of coping with
>facts that conflict with your opinions?  Get a grip on it before
>you start referring to people with more maturity than yourself
>as "little boy."

Yeah, that's tellin' the bitch! What a wimp she is, anyway. Hell, I
routinely use a STAPLE GUN for piercings. It's much faster than anything
else, and the resulting infection leaves real cool scar patterns.
                   
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