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From: s106275@cc.tut.fi (Anssi Saari)
Subject: Re: GUS and TB woes...
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:14:12 GMT


In <gting.725194139@sfu.ca> gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:

>Couldn't stop myself when I managed to find a Thunderboard for CAD$50. 
>Plunked the thing into my system with the GUS and voila... the answer to
>most people's dreams... or is it?

It isn't, native gus support would do that...

>TB: 220h, IRQ 5
>GUS: 240h, MIDI IRQ 5, GF1 IRQ 11, DMA 7.

>Result: It WORKS! At least, a few games I tried worked perfectly fine, but 
>there were still a few games that balked:

Hmm, I wonder what happens when your TB and GUS midi IRQs conflict?

>Wolf 3D: won't recognise the existence of an SB or Adlib. I think Phat mentioned something about running SBOS and unloading it, but when I tried it, I got
>garbage out of the TB and the computer froze. Hmm... doesn't sound too nice.

This works for me, I run sbos, sbos -f and ultrinit and it works fine. If I
don't run ultrinit, wolf3d shows it sees a Soundblaster, but I can't HEAR
anything. This may have something to do with the fact that my TB is connected
to the GUS line in.

>On the up side, my other games worked flawlessly. Ultima 7, F1GP (yay!) and
>a few others. Can anyone offer any advice as to what is wrong and what can 
>be done to solve my probs? Phat?

F1GP was the biggest reason I put my TB back in. It sounded horrible with
sbos, almost as bad as GPU with TB, engine sounds like a vacuum cleaner...

Anssi
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: SBPro Shields?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:17:17 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

In article <1992Dec31.215352.19957@netcom.com> stewarta@netcom.com (Alex Stewart) writes:
>Steve Vonk (vonk@sr.hp.com) wrote:
>: Does anyone have a good way to shield the Sound Blaster Pro from random
>: radiated emissions from within the computer?  I hear all sorts of digital
>: clicking and clacking when either the hard disk or floppy is running.
>: 
>: Any good suggestion appreciated.  I might try aluminum foil :-)
>
>Is your SB right next to your hard/floppy disk controller in your system?  If 
>so, consider moving it.  I've had problems with my video board putting hum 
>into my SB output.  I solved it by putting my modem between my SB and my video
>card.  Some suggestions for good shields (this varies widely with the brand, 
>etc.):  network cards, modems, com ports, mouse cards.  Mix and match to find 
>a good solution.  You might also make sure the cables from your controller to
>your drives are as far as possible from the sound card.

This is exactly what I did. With eight slots and the I/O card and
video card next to each other on one end, I had the modem card all the
way on the other side by itself. When I put in the SB-Pro I put it
next to the modem card. It sounded terrible. I didn't think it would
help much but I switched the modem card and the SB-Pro (SB-Pro in the
farthest slot now, modem card right next to it). Now the modem card
effectively shields the SB-Pro. It sounds great (well, except that
it's obviously FM synthesis), but I don't get *any* noise from other
components anymore. As the modem is V.32bis I was worried that 14.4K
line connections might suffer now that the modem was picking up the
extra noise.  Nope. Still downloads as fast as it ever did. Sound
cards are by far the *most* susceptible to interference, so my advice
is bury it in the corner behind a modem or some other relatively
silent card.

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From: charley@fsg.com (Charley Rich)
Subject: Disney Sound Source
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:13:26 GMT

Does anyone use the Disney Sound Source under Windows?  I have been
using it with mixed results for games such as The Deluxe Carmen
Sandiego series.  The sound is significantly ragged as compared to
running it from DOS.

My question is, is there a way to get the same quality sound under
Windows 3.1?  I have noticed that Disney is marketing it now as Windows
compatible.  BTW:  I am using the windows driver supplied by Disney's
BBS several months ago.

Has anybody received better results?

As I am not always able to read news can any replies be sent via email.

Thanks,

Charley Rich

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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: FTP'ing and Stuff
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:28:15 GMT

> friend who can access a UNIX machine from home (via modem).  Since
> I'm trying to get onto "archive.epas.utoronto.ca", we typed
> "ftp archive.epas.utoronto.ca" from the UNIX prompt, but we get an
> "Unknown Host" message, and then we get the "FTP>" prompt (or
> something like that) but we aren't connected to anything.
 
try ftp 128.100.160.36 instead.

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From: jcs@ixstar.ih.att.com (John "C". Sucilla)
Subject: SoundBlaster 1.5 & Frecom Fax96?
Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
Keywords: interaction, crosstalk
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 16:05:31 GMT


With these two boards installed in my 468DX/50 there is a problem
with the SB turning on during FAX transmissions.  Not only is
the noise coming out of the speakers totally irritating but the
fax's get trashed.  I've tried several different configuration
settings on both cards and know that I positively don't have
any overlaps.  Also, I talked to Frecom and they told me they were
aware of the problem, not sure whos fault it was - thiers or Creative
Labs and no fix sorry.  Has anybody else run into this problem?
Anybody found a fix?

-- 
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jcs@ixstar.att.com
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From: tsnoddy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Todd T. Snoddy)
Subject: Need software for SB 1.5
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 03:48:20 GMT

I have a Sound Blaster 1.5 and I would like to know where I can get some
shareware to enter and play sheet music.  I would prefer to have an ftp site
if possible.

Please reply via email to tsnoddy@nyx.cs.du.edu.  Thanks.

Todd T. Snoddy
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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: Getting 669 Composer to work with GUS
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:26:30 GMT

> Hi! I just downloaded the 669 composer from epas, but I can't
> get enough free low memory to start it (even without sbos).
 
I don't think it will even work with the GUS.  It uses 32-bit
protected mode and I think sbos interferes with this.
 
Unless someone can prove this otherwise.  I have found the same
with RBGDemo2.  Even with empty config and autexec's I can't
get them to run.  It's a good thing Renaissance will now be
programming for the GUS too.

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From: waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg)
Subject: Re: GUS and PAS MIDI BOX?
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:41:17 GMT

In article <1hae43INNrf6@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, johnf@scd.hp.com (John Flowers) writes:
|> Simple question:
|> 
|> Is it possible to use a MIDI box from the PAS 16 on the GUS?
|> 
|> Reason:
|> 
|> I have the MIDI box for the PAS and I may be buying a GUS also.
|> 
|> 
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Yes. I believe the GUS needs a SB compatible midi-box and as far as I know, the
PAS MIDI box _is_ SB compatible.

Greetz,

Jerry

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From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: SBOS 1.23 -- I like it, despite first impressions.
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:25:45 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

I have come to the conclusion that SBOS 1.23 is a definite improvement
over 1.22, despite being less than impressed with it at the start.  I
think I posted two complaints about the new SBOS, which later turned
out to be somewhat false.

First, I think I said that the Inca demo ran worse with 1.23 than
with SBOS 1.22.  Slap me silly, but my problems with the demo was
due to me not disabling EMM386.  Running the Inca demo with EMM386
installed resulted in fouled speech with SBOS 1.22 as well as 1.23.

Second... Ummm... I can't remember what my second hasty complaint
was.

Well, anyway, I think the reason why I didn't like SBOS 1.23 at first
was that it didn't say "SBOS installed".  I'd never thought that I'd
miss that overly-nasal greeting, but I guess I did, because once I
got it saying "SBOS installed" again, everything seemed to work better.
To get your copy of SBOS 1.23 talking again, delete the third line in
SBOS.CFG or change the sample name to one that can actually be found
in your \ultrasnd\sbos directory.  The older SBOSes said "SBOS installed"
if they couldn't find the sample specified in the config file, but the 
new one just shuts up.

With 1.23, the digitized sounds are much softer and smoother than with
earlier versions.  As I'm using the more-or-less constantly-at-max-volume 
amplified out, my ears are much relieved at this.

The speech in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat (the old one) worked much more
consistently with 1.23 than they did with 1.22.  

WOWII works for me with 1.23.  In fact, I can increase the frequency to
22kHz now, whereas with 1.22, I had to settle for 16kHz.  I also
use /b:9000.

The animation in the intro of Falcon 3.0 is much more in sync with the
digitized sounds than they were with 1.22.  The FM music also seems
improved over 1.22.  There isn't that loud noise when I enter the
War Room, for example.

In all, everything I've tried with SBOS 1.23 worked better than it did
with SBOS 1.22.  To those of you who have gone back to 1.22, perhaps you
should give 1.23 a second look.

Phat.
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From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: Turtle Beach Multisound
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:54:04 GMT

I just put in an order for the Multisound, now that the price has come down.
Are there any other Multisound owners out there? Any caveats I should keep
in mind when I put it into the system? How do you like it?

Email preferred.

Thanx - David
From: quadri@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Hasan M. Quadri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Soundblaster Pro
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:41:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I just got myself a Soundblaster Pro today, and it doesn't work with
my Packard Bell Legend 386X 16 Mhz system.  I run the TEST-SBP program
on the SBPro disk.  It tells me 'Hardware card cannot be detected', so
I look in the Getting Started book, it tells me to change the I/O
address, so I do that, 220 to 240hex.  I get the same message as
before.  The only adaptors I have are my Video adapter and serial
card.  I took the serial card out, but that didn't change anything,
and I can't do anything about the Video card since my system won't
work without it.  I tried changing IRQs but it didn't do anything
either.  I've also tried an Adlib, Thunderboard, and Soundblaster, but
didn't work either.  So I know it isn't the card that doesn't work.
I REALLY want to get this to work, this is my last hope, besides
getting a new computer which is something I can't do.  If anyone can
help me, it would be easier for me if you could email me instead of
replying here.  Thanks in advance
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From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: Best soundcard for a non-audiophile
Keywords: Gravis UltraSound(GUS), SoundBlaster, Thundercard, games, educ. SW
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:45:34 GMT

In article <29017@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>[...]
>So my questions:
>
>	- Would the GUS really buy me that much more?  I guess
>	  that $130+speakers is probably $170, or $50 more than
>	  my Thunderboard setup.  I don't mind spending $50 if it
>	  will buy me something, but I don't want to waste $50 if
>	  it won't.
>

On just sound quality, the GUS is almost as good as a $300-400
Roland Sound Canvas.  It uses the same synthesis technology as
the Sound Canvas and other upper-end cards such as the Multisound.
Currently, nothing really pushes the GUS to its potential, but the
raw power is there.  Even if you're not an audiophile and don't
care about things like frequency response and signal-to-noise
ratios, you will be deeply impressed by the REALISM of the instruments
and sounds the GUS produces compared to what the Thunderboard, SB,
SBPro, etc. can cough up.

There is a catch, though.  The GUS is not a perfect SB emulator.
After all, its synthesis technique is totally different from the
FM synthesis that the SB uses.

>	- Where can one buy a GUS mail order?  I looked through
>	  the entire Computer Shopper and didn't find one.  Is
>	  the best price really $130?
>

The best price I've seen in US mail order is $129.  If you had
bought the card during Electronic Arts' summer promotion, you
would have spent only $99 (and the price of whatever game you
chose from their catalog.)

>Finally, an unrelated (to soundcards) question I'll throw in
>since many probably know it:
>
>	- How much memory will I want to add?  I don't care
>	  if the games aren't blazing in speed.
>

You will probably want at least 4 Megs of RAM on the motherboard,
and 1 Meg on the GUS (if that's the soundcard you decide on).  Yes, 
the GUS has its own memory.

Phat.
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From: francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez)
Subject: FTP'ing and Stuff
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 09:29:58 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-01-93 04:26
I have just downloaded the new Windows drivers for the GUS, and I THINK I
installed it correctly.  However, now I can't play any MIDI songs in Windows.
I've tried using WinJammer and Media Player.  I don't get any errors at all
-- silence just comes out...

I copied both the .DRV files and the .386 file to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM and I
installed "Ultra Wave and MIDI Synth" from the Control Panel.  When I select
MIDI Mapper, all of the port names are "Ultrasound MIDI and Synth", all the
patch map names are "Ultra", and all of the active boxes have an "X" in
them.

Can someone please help me out?

Also...

I was wondering how one goes about FTP'ing to other sites.  Since I'm not a
regular user of UNIX, I'm not really sure how to do this.  However, I have a
friend who can access a UNIX machine from home (via modem).  Since I'm
trying to get onto "archive.epas.utoronto.ca", we typed
"ftp archive.epas.utoronto.ca" from the UNIX prompt, but we get an "Unknown
Host" message, and then we get the "FTP>" prompt (or something like that)
but we aren't connected to anything.

Can someone please help me with this as well, so I can get all those GUS
goodies without having to call BC?

Thanks in advance...
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From: jesse@terapin.com (K. Young)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: PAS16 installation help
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:26:09 GMT
Organization: BBS

Any PAS16 owners experienced difficulties installing the software to HD?  When
the PAS16 is installed I can't access my A: or B: drives, HD is ok!  I get a
"General Failure Abort/Retry/Fail" error.  I tried every configuration with
jumpers j10-j12 and it's either the system boots halfway/hangs, COMM ports
don't register/missing or no access to A:/B: drives.  

Using v1.2 installion disks on a 'HD' i486DX33 'puter.

'AT4' motherboard DMA channels-

Channel 0: unused
        1: IBM SDLC
        2: diskette adapter
        3: unused
        4: cascade two 8237 A-5
        5-7: unused

I figure either a DMA/IRQ conflict or a dud PAS16 card...
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From: thomas@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Richard A. Thomas)
Subject: Will a GUS do it all?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:47:09 GMT

	I am considering changing my soundcard to a GUS.  Right now I have
a soundblaster 1.5, and I am concerned that I don't  have to give up anything
in making the switch.

	I can't have both cards in my computer, since every slot is now filled.

	There are only three important things I want to do with my soundcard,
and they would all be under windows.

	With my present soundblaster 1.5, I can:

	  play *.rol files in the background  (using a fm31.drv in place of the
	    standard windows sound.drv and other shareware)  Yes, I did
            send in the registration.

	 play *.wav or *.mid files using the utilities provided with 
	   Windows 3.1 and Creative Labs

	use Midisoft Studio for windows to compose and play *.mid files
	  myself

My question is:  Will I still be able to do all three of the above in windows
3.1 with just the GUS card without having to resort to changing the drivers
set-up and rebooting windows >>each<< time I want to change what I'm doing in
windows with my soundcard?

(P.S.  Except for playing *.rol files as background music, I don't play games
that use a soundcard.)

	Thank you.

					Richard Thomas
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Waveform Table for SB?! Why GUS?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:45:28 GMT

Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>From umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command)
>>Although it relies on FM synthesis, the ad asserts that a daughterboard
>>with a waveform table will become available.  This puts the Sound Blaster
>>on even keel with the GUS as far as music technology (or at least will put).
>>With its ability to compete with the Microsoft Sound System for the
>>voice-recognition throne, what's the reason to go with the GUS?

>    Price.


Not to mention that you can buy it _now_.  Creative Labs and schedules
don't go together very well (to be fair, neither did Adlib or Gravis,
but the GUS is here now, so that's no longer a concern).
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From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS and TB/SB in the same computer...
Keywords: sound blaster gravis ultrasound compatibility
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:35:40 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


	I would like to put a GUS in my computer. However, I still
have a question or two about the GUS before I go out and buy one.

	First off, the GUS seems to have a voracious appetite for
interrupts. This really bothers me. Can you disable the MIDI
interrupt? I already have a Musiquest PC-MIDI card, and it works fine.
I don't want to mess with yet ANOTHER non-MPU401-standard MIDI interface
on the GUS. Or must you have the GUS' MIDI interrupt to play .MID files
through the GUS?

	Could somebody give me a list of all the interrupts this beast
takes up and what they are all for? Thanks.

agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
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From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: What exactly is supposed to be in the GUS box?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:45:33 GMT

In article <1h36dnINN8ro@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>
>What I got was:
>-two manuals, one as general reference, one for the USS8
>-registration card
>-quick reference guide for sbos
>-an ad for USS8
>-an ad for the General MIDI patches
>-the board itself
>
>Am I missing anything else?
>

The "Speed Compensating Game Port Instruction Sheet"?

Phat.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: PAS16/SBPro compatibility ???
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:52:06 GMT

In article <1100@dgaust.dg.oz> brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown) writes:
>
>I'm having a PAS16/NEC Cd rom kit installed inmy system today, does anyone
>know what "current" game programs are incompatible with the PAS16 ? My old
>soundcard is a SBPro 2, can you run 2 cards from one system ie: Ultima
>Underworld wont work with the PAS16 so I can run the program from the SBPro
>instead (connecting the speakers to the card) ? Is this possible ? Current
>programs I have on my HDD are: MM3, MM4 Clouds of Xeen, Treasures of the
>Savage Frontier, Ultima 7 & Forge of Virtue, Buck Rodgers - Countdown,
>Abondoned Places, Ishar, Prophecy of the Shadow, Dragonstrike & 
>Spelljammer
>Thanks
>Fred

Ultima Underworld works great for me with the PAS16!
It even runs under OS/2 with full speech and sound!

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From: anos@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Cards for MCA buses
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:02:17 GMT
Organization: IKEA Northern Europe AB

Hi there

Anybody out there that could advise me on a soundcard for a PS/2 pc.
Please include price if possible. I am open for all suggestions, both
simple cards and fullblown MIDI-ready cards.

Thanks in advance

Anders

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