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From: huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca ()
Subject: Re: Bush or Clinton?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:53:25 GMT

ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes:
: In article <1992Oct10.221825.1295@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca () writes:
: >I just want to remind folks that Bush's VP is Dan Quayle.  And Quayle, like
: >many other conservatives in GOP, is an ardent ROC supporter. He was almost 
: >successful in getting enough votes to pass his amendment to the Taiwan Relation
: >Act in 1979 which would have maintained formal diplomatic relationship with
: >ROC.  If Clinton were elected, then expect a Secretary of State called
: >Stephen Solarz, who has not been friendly to Taiwan.
: 
: Dan Quayle may be an ardent ROC supporter, but he is also the most idiotic
: VP in the history of USA. 
:
How about Walter Mondale?  Dan Quayle's approval rating has been consistently
higher than Carter's VP.  For more info, read "The Man Who Would be the 
President," by Bob Woodward and David Broder, published this year.  They are
reporters from The Washington Post.  Most idiotic?  Based on what?  Media like
to take his quotes out of context.  Everyone can be made a fool out of that.
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: WHO KNOWS ABOUT RECENT TAIWAN POP CHART ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:49:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <23802@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>
>Well, I think Wang Chieh's new album entitled "Ying1 Xiong2 Lei4"
>(Hero's Tears), is pretty good.  Although I think buying CD's from
>Taiwan is not a very smart idea, my relatives in Taiwan tell me
>that those CD's cost about 500NT, which is more expensive than the
>same ones you can get in the US...
>But of course, Japan is another story.

I was just in Taiwan earlier this summer, and the prices
for CD's are very competitive with the prices in the US.
I bought one on sale for only 199NT, and another at regular
price for around 350NT.

Of course, new releases probably cost more.  But since I
didn't know any of the new releases when I was there, I
didn't bother to check their prices.

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
From: lwyse@music.bu.edu (Lonce LaMar Wyse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A Survey of Taiwan
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:15:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: music.LWYSE.92Oct16141519
	<Bw3B9p.2Dv@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Oct14.125554.25071@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems
In-reply-to: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com's message of 14 Oct 92 12:55:54 GMT



>Would someone out there describe this report briefly? 18 pages are really
>too much!

"18 pages too much" ?! hmmmmm.

Anyway, there were many short articles covering the retirement of the
mainland representatives in the govt., the increase in mainland
investment by Taiwanese businessmen, speculation in the stock market
by average citizens, speculation about the
independence/inter-dependence of the PRC and ROC, the building of the
infrastructure (roads, sewage, etc..) and the suicidal levels of
pollution. 

The writers for the magazine do not hide their editorial perspectives,
which makes for interesting reading.


						- lonce

p.s. Hope I haven't written to much to read! ;-)
From: chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:36:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Oct14.183607.25072
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct13.213409.15531@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>In article 10018@zip.eecs.umich.edu, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>|Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
>>|close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>>|close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>>|what Taiwan is now.  So, what is the point to thank old Chiang ?
>>|
>>|Yi-Chieh
>
>Either way, the people on Taiwan would be speaking a foreign language, 

Under 50 years of Japanese rule, Taiwanese mothertongues
survived.  Yet under less than 50 years of Chinese rule,
Taiwanese mothertongues are dying.  Why?


>living as second class citizens in a society where their needs are NOT 
>the primary concerns of the government,


In TV programs (even till this day!!) people speaking with
a non-Mandarin accent are portrayed as people with no
class, no taste.  People learn at least 6 years of English
in school, and some people start learning their ABCs in kindergarten;
yet there is still no official education in the mothertongues.
This is effectively forcing Taiwanese into second or third class
citizen status by imposing a linguistic and social handicap.
Taiwanese have been imposed a false identity which denies who
they really are.  Many grandchildren cannot communicate with
their grandparents.  The result is a cultural vacuum.



>and any chinese heritage that 
>people on Taiwan has ever claimed would be forever lost.

Without one's mothertongue, one loses the cultural link to
one's heritage.  Is Taiwanese heritage any less "proper"
than Chinese heritage?  Prime Minister Hao says "I love
Taiwan, yet I love China even more."  This is like saying
"I love my wife, yet I love another woman even more."
Is this not the attitude of a colonizer?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:00:09 GMT

In article 1bj56mINNas6@agate.berkeley.edu, bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin) writes:
>|	Hey, but you do have to give the Japanese credit for building a good
>|infrastructure in Taiwan (albeit for military purposes).  When the KMT took
>|over they sorta undid what the Japanese built.  Kaohsiong used to have really
>|wide boulevards until old man Chiang came over; now all we have are traffic
>|congestions.
>|-- 
>|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|"He's dead, Jim."
>|"But that's impossible!"
>|
>|Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
>|Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
>|University of California at Berkeley
>|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And you should see what the Japanese left for the power system.  My dad
was part of the team that took over after the war.  He said that the 
entire system was either bombed out by the allies or destroyed by the Japanese.
When they left, the Japanese said something to the effect that they expect 
Taiwan to be in the dark for a long time.  Imagine their surprize 
when they came back a year later to find not only a working but reliable
power system.  Lovely bunch of fellows those Japanese.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:36:46 GMT

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>       ** I only cook at my home.

>          You will find out what Confucius said is correct if you
>          cook for a restaurant.

Hehehe.  Well, now I guess I HAVE TO give you some credit for the creative
argument that the kitchen at home is not a REAL kitchen.  Only those in the
restaurants are :-)
>>

Go to ANY restaurant sometime.  And you will find many, if not most, cooks are
male.  Go tell them that they are not real men -- I bet they'll chase you down
with kitchen knives :-)

>> "Fortunately, we don't have to know the difference to be different"????
>> What kind of logic is that?  To disprove something, at least ONE counter-
>> example must be given.  If you have taken any elementary course in logic, you
>> should know this very well.

>       ** Fortunately, God's creation is beyond logic.

What if I do not believe in supernatural beings.

It is interesting that when people can't find any good arguments to defend their
positions, they often turn to "supernatural beings," or the "God" if you prefer.
Remember what happened when Cuppernicus first discovered that the universe is
heliocentric, NOT geocentric which the Catholic church wanted people to believe
in?

>sigh<

Steven Lee   

Newsgroups: nctu.ccca,nctu.announce,tw.announce,soc.culture.taiwan,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
From: solomon@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Solomon (on y4))
Subject: Re: NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives Monthly Report
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:38:09 GMT

huangyj@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Yeowell Huang) writes:
> 
> 
> << Suggestion to nctuccca >>
> 
> 
> In my viewpoint:
> 
> 	1. nctuccca.edu.tw is the most important FTP site in TANET.
> 
> 	2. nctuccca.edu.tw is the slowest FTP site in TANET.
> 	
> conclusion:
> 
> 	You'd better use the faster mainframe.
> 
> 
> 						Y. Huang in NTHU
> 
> 	

     Be more polite, please.  You are  now  a  graduate  student.
Everybody  respects  you,  and  you  should also learn to respect
everybody else.  Running an ftp server is not an obligation.   It
is  even  not  necessary  for them to provide you such a service.
They are a group of enthusiastic people who wants to help the im-
provement  of  TANET,  and reduce the network load between Taiwan
and Internet.  I guess they do this  job  without  payment.   So,
please  be  more  polite when you issue any criticism.  We should
express our highest appreciation to their jobs.

					  Another student in NTHU
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:40:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.181313.14911@netcom.com> jch@netcom.com (Jack Hwang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.140341.21433@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>
>>	I thought the essence in the proposed land reform is taxing
>>	...
>>	profit like any other business.
>
>I agree your points to some extent.  Since it is an investment, the capital
>gains should pay its share of taxes.  But the reality is that people
>(ordinary people) invest in land, and they should not be the victims.

	I have a hard time understanding why they are "victims"; they
	make profits out of selling their land, aren't they?
	Even when they sell their home to get a better home, they
	are still profited from their original investment; though there
	can be a measure to reduce certain amount of taxes because the
	home is for personal use.

>The target of the land reform should be all captial groups.  They
>manipulate the city development plans and get lots of profits from it.

	When you define the law as such, those "capital groups" will
	become individual "ordinary people" to escape from the loop.
	
>One of the problem in Wang's plan is that it does not give good protection
>for middle class.  Saying that if your parents works hard for 30 years
>and earn a house.  Then you got trouble.  If they transfer to you now,
>...
>you again cannot leave your children anything.

	You should take notice that I did not support Wang's plan but his
	idea. How to implement that idea is still a question to me.
	However, in the case you described, I do think the transfer of
	property should be taxed; I don't see how it would be fair to
	get a free ride just because you are middle-class. You can
	certainly get votes by this :-)


>Moreover, some dump heads are still crying for craps like "Appreciation
>Goes to Government"(Chan3 Gia4 Gue1 Guon1).  This is a baseless claim
>...

	Sorry, I am not interested in getting into this issue.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: hpw10@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:42:45 GMT
Reply-To: hpw10@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

It is hard for me to believe that president Lee publicly denounced his
finance minister by saying:"The good policy does not work base on its
fairness, good morality or an individual courageousness", then he continued
to say: "No one is qualify to talk about the morality and justice with
only exception of church minister".  Sometime, I really don't if Mr. Lee
is qualify to be a president or not. How can we build a good society when
none of us should speak out about the justice and morality.

I remember when Mr Lee became a president, he had also publicly denounced
the people who play golf, even though it is his favorite sport.  Today
he is back to the golf course, and has no shame of playing it.

I think the whole thing is surrounded on the issue of fairness, if the
government want to levy people property tax base on the selling price,
I think it is fair for the government to step out and say: Ok,
we will also purchase your land base on the market price.
From: mao@acuson.com (Ken Mao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:31:36 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>In article <2329@cix.cict.fr>, wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) writes:
>> I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>> eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?
>> 

>	** My recipe:
>	   Before you make love:
>		a. Don't eat meat for two weeks
>		b. Don't make love for two weeks
>	   When you ejaculate: make it as deep as possible.
>	   After ejaculation: have your wife lie down on bed with both 
>	   legs up for at least half hour.
>	   Rate of success: 100% (2/2)
>	   Let me know the result about one (?) year later.

   I thing having your wife reach orgasm helps too.  This will create
   an environment for the Y-sperms to swim faster.

   Good luck.

   -- Ken Mao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ectnt@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:28 EST  

In article <1992Oct9.035216.18979@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes...
>In article <23591@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
> 
>>Yeah...I guess you're probably right...
>>I saw "Father of the Bride" and it made me don't want to have a daughter
>>to avoid that heartache...  :-)
> 
>More often, it's the "Mother (and Father) of the Groom" who lose their son.
>1/2 :-)
> 
>===============================================================================
>GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

And we can tell in any country on the world, daddy usually gets along real well 
with his daughter(s) more than his son(s). That's why the people says 
"DADDY"S GIRLD". Have you ever heard that? _ So now you know how luck you are.
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:38:13 GMT
Organization: UB

From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
 
>In article <23591@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
>writes:
>
>>Yeah...I guess you're probably right...
>>I saw "Father of the Bride" and it made me don't want to have a daughter
>>to avoid that heartache...  :-)
>
>More often, it's the "Mother (and Father) of the Groom" who lose their son.
>1/2 :-)
>
>============================================================================
>GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
>============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
 
It seems you will lose your children, suns or daughters, when they get married.
I would suggest you to have daughters. You only need to help your daughter to
choose the right husband. And you just hand over the responsibility to him.
And then you could stop wasting your time and money.
 
  
---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:14:15 GMT

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>	** You need to teach your boy how to be a man who is 
>	   supposed to behave differently from a woman. This is
>	   not related to whether you love your boy more than your
>	   girl. You show your boy how should a man be different from
>	   a woman by distinguish your own thoughts and behaviours 
>	   from that of .your wife

Thanks to all the outdated tradition that you described above.  Even today, 
more than four years I landed in the U.S., I still have trouble share some of 
my feelings with my family.  Because I was taught that "real men should be 
strong and should not have feelings like those wimpy women."

Not mentioning it puts distance between the parents and sons, it is very very
unhealthy for young men who are confused about the growing up process.  Males,
just like females, sometimes are not as strong as they'd like to be, and need
emotional support from others.  If your boy cannot get the support from you,
he will turn to someone else.  Not talk about not losing a son when he gets 
married!

I would like to urge ALL Chinese fathers to compare the number of times they
have hugged their sons (especially teenage sons) and the number of times they
have hugged their daughters in the past year or so.  If you think you treated
your son unfairly, make it up when you go home tonight!  You son/sons    
does/do not need to be taught "how to be a man," but he/they need(s) your
emotional support!!

Now call me wimpy if you want, but I am speak from my experience as a teenage
son not too long ago.

                                                    --Steven Lee
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:16:03 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <23582@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon
S. Ou) writes:

|> I think you're right.  But here's something interesting:
|> You work, you sweat, you argue (with your wife?), you worry sick of them,
|> you go through all the hardships to raise your daughter, and finally
|> having the joy of seeing them grow up... only to give them away to 
|> someone else...

I do not agree especially in the world today.
My feeling is beside taking the husband's family name (a lot of woman
does not even do that now). The wife does not give up anything.

And senior citizens often found it easier to live with daughter's family
than with son's family.

My Conclusion: It is probably better to have daughters because they usually
care for parents more than sons.

|> 
|> 
|> Brandon  
|> --
|> Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Department of Computer Science    

I know I could have use cxterm to find out your real chines name.
But it is currently broken on my wrokstation.

What is Ou in chinese?
Or is that a chinese name?

I am just curious since I always thought that is a korean name.

|> University of Arizona               Tucson, Arizona
|> Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
|> " It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 
|> 
|>
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Republic of Taiwan Resolution passed
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:33:26 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1avf8jINN836@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
> I read a report on last week's Independent Weekly News.  It mentioned
> that the city council of Tainan just passed a resolution which
> urges the central government to join the United Nations using the 
> name "Republic of Taiwan".

	** You read the wrong newspaper. Just like what you think
	   about KMT's paper is, The IWN reports are SERIOUSLY biased
	   and should not be trusted.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:05:20 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct15.160229.15877@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
> 
> 	You change the subject. You stated that not very one has a
> 	"good" husband which implies to me that many family raise
> 	their son to be "loyal" to their family and treat their
> 	wife's family as "outsiders". I ask you why keep this
> 	traditional discriminating family value.

	** Sorry if I did shift the focus. May be I am doing it
	   again:
 
	   On what you said, look it this way: In the "traditional
	   discriminating family value" you mentioned, there are
	   more "insiders" than that in the "modern, nondiscriminating
	   family value". Do you agree?

	   In the marriage relation today in US, who are the real
	   "insiders"? In the old Chinese marriage, at least a few
	   members from the bride side become real "insiders" with
	   strong family relation (parents and direct brothers and 
	   sisters)
> 
>>	** Sexism remark? No, that is what I mean by "eaual".
>>	   Equal does not mean "the same". It means "match"
> 
> 	Then why is this "inherited advantages" of a male coming from your
> 	mouth? Making a "generic difference" into "inherited advantage"
> 	using artifical means (by creating/keeping a "discrimiating"
> 	tradition) is sexism and unfair.

	** Women also have their "inherited advantages". The wonderful
	   generic differences create advantages for both sides yet
	   not only non-confrontational but mutually constructive.

	   Praise the Lord. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: "ken lu" <ken.lu@canrem.com>
Subject: how to give birth to
Reply-To: "ken lu" <ken.lu@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:54:52 EST



JT>wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) writes:

>Hi,
>I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?

>I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

JT>What's wrong with having five daughters?  Please don't be so sexist.  Trying
JT>to have more children would only increase the burden of the parents both
JT>financially and emotionally.  If I were you, I would concentrate on raising
JT>the five daughters you have instead of worrying about how to give birth to
JT>a son.

I totally agreed with you.
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