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From: weigand@pecan.udel.edu (Steve Weigand)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Keywords: sparring, combinations
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:38:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Apr12.163844.14701
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Apr12.023043.7421@athena.cs.uga.edu> greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock) writes:
>I was wondering if people would post/email me their favorite sparring
>combinations?  I have a tournament coming up next month and I'm looking
>for some new and interesting combinations.  
>
>Someone mentioned in another thread that they just stood in one place and
>waited.  I thought that was funny (and will probably try it) but I need 
>something for when I do move.  
>
>This will be my first "official" tournament so anything will be appreciated.
>
>-Greg
> greg@athena.cs.uga.edu

How bout this: I won a tournament one time by just repeatedly using one 
technique at the right moment. I would stay very still and wait for the 
people to attack. They usually attacked very fast and totally committed
to the move. Usually they did something like a jump ax kick or a jump
mid-section front kick or something like that. You get the picture. IT 
was a straight forward, explosive kick of some sort. My counter was a
very high inside-outside crescent kick. It would simultaneously block
his oncoming kick and get the kick to his head for a point. The only 
reason why this worked repeatedly for me is because this tournament was
being run by a school and I was sparring lots of people from the same
school. They had very similar style.

My absolute most favorite combo is definitely the midsection-high
double round kick. You just throw the first round kick without much force
to the midsection of your opponent, then he drops his gaurd slightly to
block, and you immediately let your kick travel up to his face for another
round kick and the point. Be sure to get good distance with it, or it
doesn't work. The main advantage is that it's extremely fast and hard to
block. 

My second favorite, although slightly more risque, is a combo: Turning 
counterclockwise, you execute an outside-inside crescent kick to the 
gaurd of your opponent (to sweep out his gaurd), then you let the
motion of your body continue and execute a spinning-hook kick to your 
opponent's face. Warning! This is a very powerful move and should be
watched for control.

See yas,
  -Steve Weigand
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: re: Which Style
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:51:54 GMT

poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) says:

>Ahem. Politics indeed. This piece of information, is of course, subject
>to dispute. From what I can piece together, I don't think *anyone* was
>handed such a title by Yip Men before he died.

It has ALOT to do with politics, especially the way it's been handled.
As for the handing down part, that can definately be disputed,
I'm just going by what seems to be the general story.

>Further, I have seen some
>evidence that William Cheung was about 16-17 when he moved to Australia.
>Also, I have seen a photo of Yip Men's funeral, wherein William Cheung
>is not walking with Yip Men's older students, nor is he wearing the
>white sash on his arm that the others are wearing. Now, I do not claim
>this to be "The Truth". I am simply stating that many disagree with
>Cheung's assertions and that there is some evidence to indicate that
>what he states may not be true. 

(non sarcastic tone)  What has moving to Australia go to do with it?
And yes, I know that many agree and dissagree over the whole thing.
This is where alot of politics has come into play.

>Regardless, it seems clear that there is no such thing as "Yip Men
>Sanctioned Wing Chun", and from what I gather he would not want it to be
>this way. There are plenty of written statements to the effect that Yip
>Men tailored his instruction to the individual based on size, strength,
>speed, and I am sure many other factors. So, IMO, these disputes are all
>meaningless, and the Wing Chun each teaches is exactly the Wing Chun
>they were taught.

(BTW- It's Yip Man).  True, I wasn't trying to say there was a "Yip Man"
style sanctioned Wing Chun.  Becuase that would be going against the
basis of Wing Chun.  I'm just going by what the general story was.
On a side note, by teaching their own personal Wing Chun, that would
be going against the of idea of Wing Chun in the first place, and
as we both agree, what Yip Man would have wanted.  Also according
to sources though, half the world would not have been studying Wing
Chun if Yip Man's wishes were followed to a tee.  He was very adamant
about Wing Chun only being taught to Chinese.  
From the tailoring aspect though, you can also see how this helped in
the forming of the basis of JKD.  Very interesting.
Talk to ya later!

Marty

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Meaning???
Organization: me, myself, and i
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:02:27 GMT

> Last night, when we were in the sitting position doing sort of like
> meditation before MA class, it suddenly occured to me that I don't
> know why we are doing what we usually do.  I mean we have to sit down
> on our feet & rest our hands on the knees with palm facing up, back
> straight ..., is there any purpose on this position?  Why don't we
> just stand up to do it? or why do we have to face the palms up with
> the thumb slightly touch the middle finger? ...

> I would appreciate for any light upon this.

The reason for this position is to regulate the flow of energy (qi)
while you meditate. The posture is supposed to facilitate a relaxed
but alert state of mind. The kneeling position is a traditional
Japanese way of sitting and is used because most people (including
Japanese) find lotus position, the other traditional meditation
posture, too difficult. Neither position is harmful to the body,
provided you have the necessary flexibility and don't hold the
position for ridiculously long periods of time. The Chinese also do
some standing meditations.  You will find them taught quite often in
Tai Chi classes.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Classical Karate
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:02:06 -0500

Just to start a flame war...

Bruce Lee was in marvelous shape, and had a very good self-defense
system (when he wasn't posing for the cameras) and even had a good
side kick, but his roundhouse kick was not that good and he really
could not do any "advanced" kicks.  The chinese stylist they got
to stand in for him on the Game of Death fight scenes that had 
not been filmed is a much better kicker (although he does not
have Bruce's charisma; but then, who does?).  

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:51:29 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <gdtD9Km00UoJNlPNxX@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:

>jquarant@mipos3.intel.com (James Quarant) writes:
>>   The sabre and epee
>> fencers were always arguing which was the most effective weapon--the
>> point weapon or the edge weapon.  We found that the epee won 75% of the
>> time.  Typically, as soon as the sabreist took his point off target to
>> deliver a cut, the epeeist could simply thrust into the sabreist's
>> attacking arm.  If the epee  thrust missed, then the sabreist often
>> scored.  Even then, the epee blade was plenty strong enough to parry
>> sabre cuts.

I haven't fenced sabre for a while but I was told the following:

1 straighten your arm. 2 use your *wrist/thumb* to make the cut.

Raising your arm is bad technique. When I started sabre I did this and
had hits taken on my arm straight away. Sabre is really a very delicate
weapon IMHO.

>	Two comments:
>	1) The epee, with little modification, might be used as a
>weapon. The sabre, would have to gain a LOT of weight before it'd be
>an effective weapon.

Agreed very strongly. If you look at an epee you'll see a groove down
the centre of the blade. This is for carrying blood away from the tip.
Epee is the closest to it's original form of any of the modern weapons.
Put a point and an edge on one and it would be lethal.

Ollie...
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:19:47 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <31037@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:


>MY PRIMARY REQUIREMENT is an effective self-defence skill.  I understand that
>some of you may feel that that is a lesser requirement, and I respect your
>opinion - but for me, self-defence is number one.

>I AM interested in mental discipline - but I don't require that from martial
>art training.

You get it anyway. :-)

<snip>

>Finally - I've just moved to Edinburgh University (still staying in Glasgow),
>and would be interested in training during the day if anyone was interested.
>Im based at the Kings Buildings, but presumably the main PE buildings
>have reasonable gym facilities.

Are you kidding?  Take shotokan if you are there.  There are some really    
good clubs in that area, teaching no nonsense, 'do the business' karate.\
As well, each summer there is an incredible course on there, we *invade*
the university in hundreds and the instruction is from the best, Shirei,
Nito, Kass, etc.  See you in August!



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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: White: Color of Gis, Color of Mourning - ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:37:32 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <8D31AEK@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>And what about Monkey-Kung Fu where you hop around on your hands & feets?

MMmmm...piece of cake compare to the Dragon. In XingYi at least...;)

So Steve...what's suwari-waza? Something-technique, I got that much!!

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: Multiple attackers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 02:44:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.010926.15693@cs.brown.edu>, tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:


|> 
|>   I claim that with a striking art, maybe you can simultaneously
|>   block and strike, but to simultaneously 1) block 2) strike 
|>   3) step away from other opponents and 4) use previous opponent 
|>   as a weapon vs. the next, is impossible !!


I can see why you might think that.  Perhaps part of the difficulty
is thinking that it's a question of either/or.  I once watched a master
fight five opponents snake style.  (Usually associated with Shaolin)  As with 
most of the traditional Chinese martial arts, Snake Style has strikes, throws 
and various grappling techniques (Chin Na).  It was a little like watching
a knife go through butter.  As with most groups that haven't practiced
fighting as a team, they had a tendency to get in each others' way
and there was generally one 'in front'.  What impressed me most, was 
that the master always seemed to wind up behind whoever his foremost
attacker was at the moment.  (Imagine trying to fight someone who could
stand behind you any time he wanted to.)  He appeared to be able to stand
anywhere he wanted and to manipulate whoever he contacted as he pleased.
As a group, he made them look like  children.  I bring up the story because, 
although your point looks good in print, it seems somewhat simplistic based 
upon actual experience.  That's a problem with a lot of the discussion on this 
newsgroup.  Trying to reduce a discussion of martial arts to a printed medium 
is strained, at best.  Once, early in my training, I asked my teacher about 
'listening energy.'  (A term from the combat application of Tai Chi)  He 
responded, 'That's not for you to know.'  At that point in my training, I had 
not had the experience.  Without the experience, discussion was meaningless.
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Multiple attackers
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:24:58 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <barry.703380456@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>
>>In article <barry.703293689@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>	What makes you think you can drop the "ringleader"?  What if
>you're wrong and end up on the ground?  Will the others be happy with
>the success of their fearless leader and move off to let you rest
>comfortably?  Or will they lay into you?

Well, it's hard to say. I mean there are so many variables in this
scenario it would be easy to think of situations that would make either
strategy more appropriate. My contention is simply that, if pressed, and
I must fight, I will try to take the 'ringleader' for the psychological
effect on the 'followers'. 

>	After you string them out a bit, turn back into the predator.
>*SURPRISE* :^)

I'm afraid I'd be panting too hard...;(

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Piers McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:55:02 GMT
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just a question,

    When reading that post, did all the men on the net have the
"community penis" reaction that is so common to stories like these?
Something like this happened to me once (well, I fell against a filing
cabinet as opposed to a sparring injury), and the four other men on the
room all let out that frightened hiss and cringed in their seats. I was
just curious whether this phenomenon transfered electronically.

    Add your own gratuitous smileys -- I've got Carnival stuff to do!

                                                        -- Jason



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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ninjitsu
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:05:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr12.205315.27633@lclark.edu> balrog@lclark.edu (Richard Rogers) writes:
>Originaly known as Shinobi 
>(stealers in) they came to be known as Ninja (one who perserveres or
>endures) due their inhuman seeming attributes.

"Shinobi" and "Nin" are different pronunciations (kun-yomi and on-yomi, 
respectively) of the same character (kanji 1648 in Nelson's). The verb
"shinobu" (combining form "shinobi") means:

1) To bear, endure, or put up with
2) To hide, conceal
3) To steal into, or spy
4) To surreptitiously visit a "house of ill-fame", as Nelson so quaintly puts
   it.

"Shinobi" alone would not be used to name a group of people, since it's an 
essentially an adjective.
The word you're looking for is "shinobi-mono"...which happens to be just
another reading of the characters "nin ja".

It means both "a really sneaky guy" and "someone who puts up with a lot" ;-).
Sounds like a computer salesman to me ;-).

Note to David: What were you telling me about punning in Mandarin? ;-)

Steve
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 23:04:36 -0400 
From: Shiv Swarup Pathak <sp3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Which Style To Take

Marty@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:

>TKD is an influence of Chinese and Japanese culture, though mainly
>japanese from the times of the occupation.  It seems modernized because it
>is quite modernized (i.e developed in this century).  I'm sure a TKD
>student here could fill you up here a little better.  As for it's
>effectiveness, I can go by the many TKD I've sparred and worked with,
>and personally I don't see the hand techniques or punches as being
>that effective, and unless you are 5'4" or below, alot of the kicks are
>easily telegraphed.  Now again, this is by personal experience with
>TKD people from Korea and local.
  
   I don't post to this bulletin board too often, but now I feel I must.
 I bet you knew this was bound to happen.  I understand that it is just
from your personal experience which makes you say that TKD practitioners
are not particularly effective fighters.  I DON'T practice TKD, so I can
consider myself to be rather impartial on the subject.  
    Perhaps you sparred "tournament fighters."  These "fighters" use
speed instead of power for the purpose of gaining points, not fighting
realistically.  By NO means are all TDK students trained to be
tournament fighters (although this is often the case).  I have studied
Tang Soo Do (Moo Duk Kwan) for over about seven years and I have sparred
with many TKD stylists.  
    Contrary to what you say, most of the TKD fighters I know do not
telegraph kicks or hand techniques any more than any other martial
artists.  Don't get me wrong, I've know of a few TKD black belts who one
may consider to be very poorly conditioned and trained, however, it is
like this with all MAs.  From what I can guess from you description of
their "telegraphed" kicks, they are probably not very advanced.  TKD,
unlike Shotokan, Okinawain Karate, and other MA, relies heavily on a
wide variety of kicks that seem very unatural at early stages of
development.  Therefore, to become proficient with all these
*traditional* movements, it takes a great deal of time and effort
(perhaps more than many other MA that utilize a relatively small arsenal
of techniques- yes I expect flames).  So please do not say that they
(TKD stylists) cannot fight-- many of them really can!!  It is very hard
to become proficient in some 30 kicks and deliver them effectively.  But
when one is proficient in TKD they are some of the most versatile and
dynamic fighters I have seen.
    For those who do not know what style to study, do not base you
decision by general descriptions of the art.  Instead, go and visit, and
see the advanced students of every school you might be considering. 
After all, those arts which take you the longest to be good in, are
always well worth the wait.

*please excuse my grammar and spelling.  I have got no time to double
check my posting-- I've got 143 pages of a English book which I must
read tonight.  Bye.

-Shiv
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Summary: opinion
Keywords: i dissagree...
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:25:09 GMT
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr10.111829.770@gacvx2.gac.edu> karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:

>In article <4900@igor.Rational.COM>  writes:
>
>> +>   Oh really?  I guess a couple dozen generations of Samurai just couldn't
>> +>   did.  A katana or tachi can slash the wrist of a fencer in a sweeping
>> +>   motion before the tip of a long sword would be able to reach the

	possibly.... but i would have to say that a lot would depend on the 
speed and skills of the two involved...

>True enough.  A katana is the ultimate blade.  The problem one has
>when pitting any other weapon besides a katana (or tachi, naginata)
>against a katana, is that the katana can typically cut through the
>alloys used to make other weapons, as well as any armor someone might

	now here i have to disagree.  the katana is NOT the *ultimate* weapon,
bladed or otherwise.  while some very fine katanas exist, there are many 
bladed weapons equal to the quality of the katana, and in the hands of a skilled
practitioner, easily a match for any katana.
	i would put my 'temple' lung chuan straight sword against a katana, and
bet on the lung chuan every time (skill levels of the weilders being equal) 
the higher quality lung chuan broadswords i have, while not nearly as sharp as
a katana, can be weilded easily as fast, and is far more versatile a weapon.  if
you catch it with the right movement, you can even shatter a good 8xfolded blade
with a single stroke.  and there is greater range in the broadsword.

>be wearing.  Shock-jackets (bullet proof vests that stop high-
>powered rifle shells, even .475 supermagnums) are probably the only
>personal armor that would stop a katana.
>

	or possibly the correct technique weilded by a lesser blade.  if you
are trying to say that you should block force directly, then you've lost the
primary advantage of a good martial art.  i have yet to find a good teacher
in any style that teaches one to meet force with force.  usually, the correct
procedure is to re-direct the force or at worst, deflect it.
	also, is it a myth or am i correct in my understanding that after the
swordmaster has created and tested the blade, and 'baptised' it, it is never to
touch anything but silk and human flesh?  

>Karsten Hendrick
>karsten@nic.gac.edu
>karsten@lavatch.gac.edu

	another opinion, worth about what you paid for it .....
        and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ninjitsu
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:11:15 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Apr16.150510.10811@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>Note to David: What were you telling me about punning in Mandarin? ;-)

hehehe

Zhongguo, hen da!
Riben, hen xiao...

hehehe

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Effectiveness, swords, etc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:57:38 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

>> weapons by design, intended for use in "one against many" situations where
>> one needs to render each opponent *completely* incapacitated as quickly
>> as possible. Under such circumstances, a weapon which is good at *removing*
>> limbs is preferable to one which merely *punctures* them. Besides, who

Just to satisfy my curiosity. I had a friend once who had occasion to tell 
me about a form of mass execution in medevial Japan. Apperently the people 
who were going to be killed were lined up and a samurai would run down the 
line holding his sword out. It was a contest to see who could chop off the 
most heads only using the momentum gained by the samurai.

Does this story have any basis in truth or was my leg being pulled?

Tangent.