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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: X386 & Keyboard
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 02:09:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <david.715409745@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au> david@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (David Le Blanc) writes:
>joergens@snorre.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ulrich Joergens (PG211)) writes:
>
>>I have the following problem:
>
>>starting xdm from /etc/rc (as last entry) my keyboard is ignored.
>
>Did you remove the line in your /etc/ttys which specified the console 
>(or 'vga' is more correct) as a getty line?
>
>You must remove the 
>'console "/usr/bin/getty pc2" on secure'
>line to stop the getty grabbing control of your keyboard.
>
>
>I may be wrong though... :-)

You are correct David!
Amancio Hasty

>--
>David Le Blanc                         :
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>CSIRO Division of Geomechanics,	       :  and a freight train.' the Alien
>P.O. Box 54 Mt Waverley 3149	       : in Alien^3.


Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@thisbe.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: why does nobody post faq (weekly) (shall I ?)
Keywords: faq?
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.034715.24514@utkux1.utk.edu> frank@martha.utcc.utk.edu (frank segner (phrank)) writes:
>concerning the subject:
>this could avoid some obsolete 'news-traffic'...
>comments desired.

There are several resons I haven't been doing this:

A)	Almost all of the major archives have mirrored agate.berkeley.edu;
	this means that if you know how to get 386BSD such that you will
	need the FAQ, you can get the FAQ.

B)	Lynne Jolitz contacted me via email about 2 weeks ago asking for
	the most recent copy.  This implies that there might be "official"
	maintenance of it, and that unofficial postings would simply
	duplicate effort, in the best case, or that both would contain
	only partially intersecting data such that you had to have both of
	them, worst case.

C)	It's questionable whether or not a 386BSD FAQ would be welcome on
	comp.unix.bsd, given the recent discussion about splitting the
	group.

D)	At last count, I have 126 software projects, 4 physics projects,
	12 writing projects (including the FAQ), and 3 electronic projects
	in the works, not including work, and Friday night is movie night
	8-).  Of these, the top ones are:

	1)	Work
	2)	Movie night
	3)	Reading netnews
	4)	Am39C93A SCSI driver
	5)	i82586 driver for PC-10 NAU
	6)	Boot code memory sizing rewrite
	7)	VFS interface rewrite
	8)	Making patch distributions for upload to agate
	9)	Noderunner (X loaderunner game)
	10)	386BSD FAQ
	11)	Modelling of Relativistically Invariant P-P, N-P, N-N
		Collisions Resulting in Pair Production.
	...

	So it at least makes the top 10 list.  8-).

	If anyone has current information on B or C, it *will* adjust the
position of the FAQ in the list, though not above 4, since 3 is required
to accumulate information for the FAQ.


					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu

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Disclaimer:  Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of
my present or previous employers.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: ziegast@godzilla.UU.NET (Eric W. Ziegast)
Subject: Re: Where is comp.unix.bsd archived ???
Organization: UUNET Technologies - Falls Church, VA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:19:53 GMT

(Holger Veit) writes:
|> This host, however, does not save the articles (there has been too much junk
|> with AT&T and USL in the subject lines :-(

Could we expect the same consistency of 386BSD subject lines?
It would be nice if postings regarding 386BSD had that word
or 0.[1-9] somewhere in their subject lines.  Thanks in advance.
--
Eric Ziegast
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: thostr@stud.cs.uit.no (Thomas Strandenaes)
Subject: Re: Small X for 386 bsd??
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:24:57 GMT

>something niftier than X

This is not what I meant. The line should read: something niftier than *screen*.
As for a minimal X configuration, I`m not sure how much, or rather how
little, disk space and resources this can be squeezed down to. Perhaps it
can be reduced to acceptable sizes. But for absolute minimalists, MGR
should be the choice. 

If someone can give me some hints for portation, I might as well give it
a shot.

//thomas
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: david@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (David Le Blanc)
Subject: [386BSD] How do I format a floppy, put a bootable FS on it.
Summary: help
Keywords: bootable floppy
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:23:45 GMT

The subject says it all. I dont seem to have the 'format' command.

Also where is the 'rzdisk' command I have heard about?

Thanks.   David.
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From: aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex R.N. Wetmore)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: setting up 3c503
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:20:05 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I need some help getting my 3c503 card to work with 386bsd.  bsd finds
it on bootup (lists the ec0 device driver).  However, I think that the
kernel is configured to use the BNC port instead of the AUI port.  I got
mail from someone telling me to make the minor number of the device
(/dev/ec0 i assume) less then 127, but I don't know the major number.  I
have done a bit of pokeing around in the kernel sources, but haven't
found anything (device.i386 doesn't list it).

The card does work from dos (using pc/tcp 2.05), so I know it isn't a
hardware problem.

thanks,
alex
From: mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell CS Staff)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: ncsa and bsd timeouts
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:27:04 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario

I am trying to connect to a newly created bsd box running a 486.

I am using ncsa.  I can telnet to any other host but the new box.  If
I telnet into another machine, I can then telnet out into the other machine.
NCSA complains about timeouts during connect.  

Has any been able to make ncsa connect directly into the 386bsd?

PS:  All other hosts including our terminal server connect ok, therefore
I think there must be a timing parameter in NCSA that I am not aware of.
mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell CS Staff)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: time for comp.unix.bsd.386
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:40:38 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

To quote Bill and Lynne Jolitz, as they write in /INSTALL.NOTES,
distributed with 386bsd.01:

   On the INTERNET/USENET, we are hoping to establish our
   own newsgroup called "comp.os.386bsd". This newsgroup would
   reside alongside the "comp.os.mach"	and "comp.os.linux"
   newsgroups. Already there are over 100,000 copies of Release
   0.0, and we hope to add to this	number	with the new	and
   improved Release 0.1.	Please help	us to establish this
   newsgroup devoted to the "freely available" 386BSD system,
   by asking your news coordinator to subscribe to it. We do
   not recommend using comp.unix.bsd, since 386BSD, like linux
   and mach, is not a "comp.unix" system.


Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
From: jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: BSD specifics
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:37:33 GMT
Reply-To: jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs



Dear all,

I am still searching for a list of BSD-specific commands, and a list of functions/commands
in C(++) which can be used to replace them.  Primarily I am interested in the portability
issues in that BSD 'isms are inherently non-portable across platforms.

If anyone can help with either a list of BSD-specifics, that would help.

If anyone can help with a list of BSD-specifics and a suggestion on more portable alternatives
to these commands which are not BSD-oriented, I would be filled with joy as my deadline is
rapidly approaching.

Yours, Jon


jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: migieger@delos.stgt.sub.org (Michael Giegerich)
Subject: Re: deinstalling 386BSD 0.1 single partition
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:57:01 GMT
Organization: Delos Stuttgart, Germany
Keywords: 386BSD,deinstall,DOS

>
>Although I went into fdisk and changed the partition to a DOS type,
>reformatted and restored the drive from tape backup, it's not able
>to boot up on its own (I can only access it after booting from
>floppy).
>
>Any hints on how to reset the drive to boot from C: again?
>
Try the undocumented command switch "fdisk /MBR"; this writes a new
masterboot record on track 0 of the hard drive. DOS fdisk doesn't all-
ways rewrites the whole boot sector unless you use /MBR.
If this doesn't work, a utility like "wipedisk" from Norton Utilities
which erases all of track 0 of the drive does the work.
I once went through this procedure (when installing DOS 5.0 onto a
200 MB Quantum ProDrive).

Good luck,
Micahe Giegerich
From: randyc@soda.berkeley.edu (Yen-Pang Randy Chou)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Where is source for tip (in distbin) ?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 06:21:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Anybody know where I can get the source for smaller version of tip found
in /usr/distbin ?


---Randy
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: bmyers@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (B.Myers)
Subject: Re: An overview of 17" monitors
Organization: Radford University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:48:01 GMT

>
>monitor type              refresh rate   dot pitch  MPR-II  price
>                         1280x1024 (Hz)     (mm)             (DM)
>EIZO F560i                   60-74          0.26      yes    3528
>Philips 4CM6099                60           0.26      yes     ?
>Philips 4CM6089                60           0.26      no     2899
>Vortec VT-17HI               60-64          0.26      no     2800
>Sony 1704S Trinitron           ?             ?         ?     2799
>NEC 5FG                        74?          0.26      yes    2798

>ViewSonic 7                    ?             ?         ?     2480

ViewSonic 7                    74hz          .28        ?     1480 (From a local dealer)

a word of caution. In MS Windows 3.1 1280x1024 there can be seen a little bit
of flicker. This is only seen around the bottom of the screen at the end
of some windows.

>Miro 1766                      ?             ?         ?     2395
>ViewMagic MX-17H Trinitron     ?             ?         ?     2388
>Addonics mon-c172              60           0.26       ?     2325
>EIZO F550i                     60           0.28      yes    2195
>Octek 17"                      ?             ?         ?     2045
>Highscreen MS 1731             ?            0.31      no     1995
>Targa TM 1700                  ?            0.28       ?     1959
>
>
>--Piet
>
>internet: rcpt@urc.tue.nl       | Piet Tutelaers
>bitnet:   rcpt@heitue5.BITNET   | Computer Center       Room  RC 1.90
>phone:    +31 (0)40 474541      | Eindhoven University of  Technology
>fax:      +31 (0)40 434438      | P.O. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, NL
>
>Don't translate `flickerfree' into the Dutch `flikkervrij' but in the more
>men friendlier `knippervrij' (Philips Brilliance brochure).


Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: kwan@netcom.com (Kwan-Seng Low)
Subject: 386bsd 0.2?
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 18:52:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: 386bsd, release 0.2

OK, sooner or later someone will ask the question...
Let me be the one. What is the plan for 386bsd 0.2?
would anyone care to shed some light for 0.2?

It's been 2 months since the announcement of 0.1, the momentum 
doesn't seems to die down. Patches/new drivers appear on a daily
basis, incredible....

Kwan
From: zdv620@support.inet.dkfz-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: problem with compiling new kernel
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:21:35 GMT
Organization: dkfz-Heidelberg
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4



--
************************************************************************
  Fm: Don Ward, inet address: zdv620@cvx12.inet.dkfz-heidelberg.de
I got 386bsd installed on a memorex 7035 PC. This was diffecult, but
it's running now. The problem is that the srcdist, and bindist don't
seem to unpack correctly, so I can't recompile the kernel. I want to
add the patch for X11R5 so I have to recompile. It looks like some of 
the src files are incomplete. The first error is in vmparam.h, it ends
with an '#endif' however there is no '#if' in the file. When I unpack
the srcdist I get the error, 'install.src01 not found'. It looks like
I can't unpack the srcdist on my machine. Disk space is no problem. I
have a 40Mb local disk, and 1Gb mounted NFS, the /usr filesystem is 
on the NFS disk.

don ward.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: robsch@robkaos.GUN.de (Robert Schien)
Subject: Re: Anyone using a wengtek tape drive with 386BSD?
Keywords: wengtek 386 bsd 386bsd
Organization: Private System, Essen, Germany
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.020812.12653@tfs.com> paigen@tfs.com (David Paigen) writes:
>I have been having trouble getting dist.fs to recognize my tape
>drive.  SCO Unix sees it, I managed to mess with the jumpers on
>the controller board (also wangtek) to fix the memory io to 0x330.
>
>However, 386BSD says nothing about it during boot.
>
>If anyone has one out there, would you please check to see how the
>jumpers and switches are set on your controller board?
>
>(This is not a SCSI tape, it uses a QIC-36 interface board)
>
>----------------------->"Lay on, McDuff,    14th c. ideals in a 21st c. world
>David Paigen            and damn'd be he        N: PLO Bush IRA CIA KKK
>TRW Financial Systems   who first cries,        S: terrorism pipe bomb kill
>paigen@tfs.com          'hold, enough!'"        A: assasination maim

I am using a 5099E Wangtek tape drive with PC-36 controller (should be
the same as QIC-36). The port address is 0x300, IRQ 5, DMA channel 1.
This works, however it is difficult to get the tape "stream".

Robert
-- 
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"To err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Subject: Re: su behavior
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:04:41 GMT
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung

In <1992Aug31.155112.18068@engage.pko.dec.com> eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:


>I noticed something unusual, at least to me, about su behavior on 386bsd.

>I've used Ultrix in the past, Suns too, and they allow you to su on any
>terminal. But 386bsd insists that the only ones who can su are those who are in
>the group "wheel".  This is pretty stupid, though, because when I put my user
>in group wheel, I automatically had root privileges!! This totally defeats the
>purpose of su!  If you are allowed to su, then you don't need to because you
>already have root access!!!

>Is this standard behavior for su?  What is the reasoning behind this?

Not exactly. It says, that the users that *may change to the group wheel*
may run 'su'. I.e. if you add a user name (of any group) in /etc/group after 
the last colon in the group wheel, then this user may do 'su'. But even if 
you belong to the wheel group, with GID 0, you shouldn't be running with 
UID 0, and normally, you do not have the root right with this automatically
(unless there is a hidden bug). 

The reason with this mechanism is that not any hacker who "read your 
fingers" when you were entering the password to become su, may repeat it.
This goes along with disabling the 'secure' keyword in /etc/ttytab for all
connections except console, and locking the console for unpriviledged 
users.

>Eric

Holger

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Subject: Re: [386bsd] Installing X386
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
Keywords: 386bsd, X386, installation

In <1992Aug30.025058.21358@cc.uow.edu.au> pejn@cc.uow.edu.au (Paul Nulsen) writes:


>This is obviously a stupid question, but I can't seem to find the answer. I
>have tried to install the X386 binaries (X386 version 1.2E 1.0.1) from
>agate.berkeley.edu. When I run startx I get an error message to the effect
>that the server can't open /dev/vga. This is presumably the device that the
>server uses to access the video hardware, but I can't find any info on what
>the device numbers need to be. Being foolhardy, I reckoned this had to be
>some form of access to the console, so I tried mknod /dev/vga c 0 0. The
>result was an instantaneous crash of the whole system. I have not been able
>to find any reference to /dev/vga in any of the information I have
>collected. Can someone please enlighten me - before I do some serious damage
>to my system?

>Thanks
>Paul Nulsen

For the moment, /dev/vga can be made as follows:

$ mknod /dev/vga c 12 0

Holger

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: zdv620@support.inet.dkfz-heidelberg.de ()
Subject: Re: WD7000? (answers) info on SCSI project.
Organization: dkfz-Heidelberg
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Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 09:34:08 GMT

julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) writes:
: 
: In answer to this question:
: Yes there is work under way for a WD7000 driver.
: It is part of a loosely organised project to write a coherent scsi
: subsystem for 386bsd.
: The first driver completed is the
: adaptec 1542B (now in ALPHA testing (even boots!))
: 
: Scsi boards having drivers written for them include:
: -------------------------------------------------------
: Adaptec 1542B	-completed and in alpha
: Adaptec 1542a	-I am investigating the differences with the
: 		1542B and may produce a 'variant' driver if it seems
: 		feasible.
: Adaptec 1522	-one person has expressed interest in doing this
: 		-present status unknown.
: WD7000		-probing, latest status unknown
: ST01/ST02	-Being ported from a working driver 
: Future Domain	-two people starting on this one this week
: Bustek 742a	-basically completed, I can't test it yet.(native 32bit mode)
: 		-(I don't have and EISA 386bsd machine ready yet)(next week)
: Adaptec 1740	-I have the docs and expect to do it in the next few weeks
: 

I have a IN-2000 SCSI adapter from always technology, does anyone know if
someone is working on a driver for it, or if I could get the info I need to
write one myself from the company?? I am in Germany, so It takes about 2 weeks
for the mail to get there and back, so I thought I would ask the net befor 
waiting so long.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: karl@NeoSoft.com (Karl Lehenbauer)
Subject: Re: (386BSD) finger
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:08:25 GMT

In article <AeZf8Pi00WB3EqYkQj@andrew.cmu.edu> Tao Jiang <tj2n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I had a problem in using finger (or users etc.) command in X386.
>Whenever I execute finger, it says that: No one logged on. But
>this can not be true. If I use finger without x386 runing, I get
>the correct response.

This is caused by your xterm sessions coming in through pty pseudoterminals
which do not, by default, have utmp entries written for them when they
start up.  Consequently anything that looks at /etc/utmp, including ttyname(3),
won't find your session.

If you start xterm with the +ut option, it should appear in finger, who,
and so forth.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: dinda@cae.wisc.edu (Dinda Peter)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: (386BSD) increasing swap space - various questions
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:31:36 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering


I've got 0.1 and X386 installed on a machine with 16 MB of RAM and now
want to create/increase swapspace.  The man page for swapon tells me that
the "swapon -a" in my rc tries to swap to all volumes marked "sw" in
/etc/fstab.  Since I don't have any such volumes, I assume I'm running
sans swapper.  What's amusing, however, is of several other machines  
running BSDish Unixes (Sparcstation IPC, HP 700, HP Snake) with the same
swapon statement in /etc/rc, only one (the snake) has an obligatory "sw"
volume.  

Here's the intent:  I have a 30 MB DOS partition left on my disk that I'd
like to reset as a 386BSD swapping partition.  I don't, however, have 
a clue as to how to go about it (Unix neophyte that I am).  The unofficial 
FAQ talks about putting the swapper on a second disk, but not about creating
a swapper partition.  Any help would be appreciated.


Peter A. Dinda
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Subject: Re: Extracting 386bsd bin01 on another machine
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:49:40 GMT
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung

In <babraham.714900677@unpcs1> babraham@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Bobby Abraham) writes:

>Can someone tell me how to extract the bin01 files on another unix
>machine.  

>I don't have enough space for the unextracted files in addition
>to the extracted files.  I would like to ftp only the extracted files.

>thank you



>--
>Bobby Abraham
>Computer Science
>University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg
>email: babraham@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za

If you do not have some "braindead-cpio" system which swaps bytes (Sun3 and
other 68xxx related systems have this "feature") you might try the following:

# have the bin01.* files HERE
mkdir distdir
cd distdir
cat ../bin01.* | uncompress | cpio -idvalmu

into a directory under 'distdir'. But be warned: there may be complaints about
some devices in distdir/dev/* which cannot be created if you are not root
(depends on whether you may execute mknod). You may have to rebuild the 
devices on the 386bsd system manually.

This procedure has been tested on a Sun4 Sparc.


Holger

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