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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Watch out
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.183540.3269@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

>This morning I heard of a study made in
>some eastern U.S. city (possibly Boston) that indicated a nearly 20% rate
>of drivers running red lights, compared to under 7% 4 years ago.

i moved here from baltimore, where *everyone* waits for the 4-6 cages obliged
to run the light when (and after) it turns red.  i figured it would be a more
peaceful and tranquil life in sleepy charlottesville; seems the run the light
trend started here the summer i arrived (it's a coincidence, honest!)

on a related note: a woman (nonbiker) i was talking to about motos yesterday
told me how dangerous they were.  "bikes are unsafe.  bikers are always
getting killed when they run into cars making left turns.  i heard it on
the radio."  realizing she was the intellectual pillar of her community, i
forewent the argument.

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|      3 oz leather      86'  0"    Kevlar               22'  1"           |
|      Codura Nylon      18'  3"    Denim, 2 year old     4' 0.5"          |
|      1.75 oz leather    4'  4"    2.25 oz suede         4'  3"           |
|      Denim, new         3' 10"    Ballistic Nylon       3' 10"           |
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From: pooder@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:31:03 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Sep5.195039.449@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
> 
> you kids are afraid of "pavement ends", "flooding ahead", "gravel", etc., 
> etc.???
> 
> do you bring your mommies with you in case you get too scared?
> 
> -- 
> -- bob pasker
> -- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
> --

Who said "afraid?"  The subject says "Least Favorite."  The brown in my
BVDs didn't have anything to do with road conditions [grin].

Don  - Dirtbikeless old Dude #591


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Subject: Re: Man, that was FUN!
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:16:47 GMT

In article <18l0q3INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>Not only are there no rules, there are no officers, noone has any
>authority.  Membership has always been, and shall always be, as free
>and open as it is meaningless.


But if there are no rules, then ANYONE can claim DoD membership, using any
number they please.

Wasn't Mr. Swift roundly flamed for this? According to you, Ed, he did nothing
wrong... Hell, let's just do away with the Kot* titles, since there are no
officers.

And if no one has any authority, who gave me #587? Why couldn't I use #666?
Who cares that someone already has it, if there are no rules, I can use it
anyway, can't I?

 -LjM
   DoD #insert appropriate, since there are no regulations governing the
        usage of 'em anyway.

-- 
 .--------------------------------------------------------------------------.
/ Lyle J \ lestat@wixer.cactus.org /  Team Doofus  \ DoD / Nobody else WANTS \
\ Mackey /     Social Engineer     \ '89 Kaw EX500 / 587 \  my  opinions...  /
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Car driver with a Clue!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:09:34 GMT

dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.085629.458@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:

>>> She was reading a book!
>>this *is* weird!  most americans just wait for the movie to come out
>>on video.

>  Which reminds me: i've seen _that_ too.  Some guy in a great white
>Cattlepack, late '70's model, as big as they come, with a B&W TV
>mounted on the dash over the steering wheel.  Odd thing was, though
>he was driving kind of slow, he was doing fine.

Did he speed up during commercials, or just change channels? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: khanraha@afit.af.mil (Kevin M. Hanrahan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CBR900RR Questions from Prospective Buyer
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:21:45 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

I recently took a ride on a friend's CBR600F and had a blast.  It's the first
time I've riden on a sport bike.  I was gonna buy his for approx $3500.  It's
two years old with about 5000 miles and looks brand new.  Is this a decent
price?  More importantly, I started looking at new bikes, namely the CBR900RR.
I didn't realize it was the "Bike of the Year" in just about every mag.  It
sounds real good in the mags and looks mighty nice on the show room floor too.
So, here are a few on my questions:

1.  Is the red & black one that is out now the '93 model or the late '92 model
that has a '93 model designation?  In other words, are they going to come out
with a different model in the Spring?

2.  The dealer was giving me a spiel about running out of 900RRs.  Is this for
real or does this guy just want to sell the bike now?

3.  What's the typical out the door price?

4.  What do you tell friends who say you are too old for a sport bike?  I'm
only 27!  It's not like I'm 90.

5.  How will I make it through the winter thinking about this bike every day?

6.  Are there training classes available so that I can learn to safely run this
bike like it's made to go?  I've been riding for 7 years, but this baby is a
little different than my 1985 450 Nighthawk!


Thanks for the assist!

--Randy Smith--
rjsmith@mmdis01.hq.aflc.af.mil
From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Chain Problem Update
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:15:42 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Sep5.044124.26338@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK 
ROGERS WATERS) writes:
> I checked the sprockets and the rear one
> had many worn down and broken teeth. 

> If I hadn't looked at the
> sprocket, I wouldn't have known there was any problem.  Should
> I cancel the order for the chain and rear sprocket? 

What will it take to get you to buy a new chain and sprockets?  A massive 
chain failure that will lock up the rear wheel while you are riding in 
traffic?  Replace the chain and *both* sprockets, now.
From: tavares@danville (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA #'s in .sig files.
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

In article <19912@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
> [ deleted ]
>name and AMA number of a real member.  Could possibly be used
>in an unexpected way.  In any case, I no longer include my AMA
>number or my GWRRA number in my .sig.  Others may want to consider.
>
>--
>Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
>AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
>GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
>DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young

Well, I dont think this would be a problem for the (obvious?) following reason:
The use in question is of a lawyer calling the AMA asking for a copy of a reprint.
The lawyer would want the reprint mailed to him. When asked for his AMA #,
the operator would call up the account on a computer and then send the mail
to the address on file. The operator might think it was fishy if the caller
asked to have the reprint sent to a name and address that were BOTH different
from that on file

--
Jack Tavares    KotHO DoD# 0570 BMWMOA# 58278 AMA# 651191 BMWRA# 16087
83 R80ST	79 KZ LTD 400H (for sale) 
Sorry, but at DoD minimum speed it is impossible to speak. There is just 
too much wind noise.  At that speed I am spending all my concentration 
allowance on riding, and cannot afford anymore thought for words.
However, when I finish a ride and the bike is in the garage cooling down, 
the single word that comes to mind is:

    BEER.
From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Oh, deer! (Was: Least Favorite Road Sign)
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:33:58 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

The deer silhouettes usually slow me down for about a mile or two.
Then it's back up to speed(ing) again.

I call 'em deer dancing signs, or the deer ballet.

Douglas  [Life is for learning.]  DoD#1961  BMWMOA  Renting:N56136
A dress is just pants with one big pantleg.
Reply-To: gdls!parker@ilium.troy.msen.com
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: tires for sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:42:14 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Tuesday September 08 1992 12:37, Laszlo Nemeth wrote to All:

 |>> Front: TX11 120/70 ZR-17
 |>> Rear:  TX23 180/55 ZR-17

 LN> aren't these the tires that let you down?

A little detective work and examination of the road surface after the
fact gave evidence of what I started to suspect in the days immediately
after the fall, as I went over in my mind what happened (believing in
learning from disasters, as it were). The tires weren't at fault.

I was thinking about how the TX11/TX23 combination had stuck like glue
in France at obscene cornering speeds/angles, and how they had never come
unglued on me before, and began to wonder about the jerk I felt immediately
before the low side. Let it be said the fall was my fault, but that said,
what initiated it?

In the road, at the point of no return, is a ripple in the asphalt with a
scar in it, which I believe was made by my right foot peg. I had (obviously)
pressure on the end of the peg and I believe the hero bump caught the ripple
and when the peg ripped off the frame, flung my weight inward (in relation
to the turn), down, and back, effectively kicking the rear end out a little
and rolling the bike right off the rear tread. The tire, the bike, and I
didn't have a chance.

When I get ma moto onto the new wheels, I will put TX11/23 tires right back
on the new wheels. The ones I want to sell have been on the shelf 4 months
and need to get used. I don't believe the rubber will "last" forever, and
sitting around my house growing stale isn't a good use for them.

A bit of a long answer, but its the answer. :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: NORTON FOR SALE...
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:08:44 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED TO euro-moto. 
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Riders On The Storm!

Here's an interesting Norton for sale---it was built to race and did
so at Sear's, Willow, and Seca in the over-40 class. A kind of San 
Francisco "Road Warrior" cafe racer, listen to this:

     1973 850 Mk II base
     Bored 20cc over - very fresh motor
     Resleaved steel liner Amals
     140 compression
     Magura master cylinder
     Barnett clutch
     Boyer electronic ignition
     18 inch wheels - DID rims (Kosman-built)
     Metzler ME 33 front tyre (110), 99 rear tyre (130)
     Dunstall tank
     Norvill seat
     BUB exhaust systems (with cross-over balance pipe)
     Steel-braided lines
     New cables
     Magura clips
     Rear-sets (2 or 3 different sets available)
    
All work is included in an extensive log book. Some extra parts are
available.

Oh if you're interested in frivolous things like colour---what else
could it be but black.

Price:   2,200 US$

Contact: Kurt Jackson
	 (415) 957-1667
	 SAN FRANCISCO!

Cheers

DAVE COOPER
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 14:59:56 EDT
From: <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Indian coming back?
 <1992Sep14.175903.26043@cs.cornell.edu>

  Motorcyclist magazine keeps mentioning this and saying such things as
"Cagive refused to verify that any such deal had ever been discussed.
(Whats-his-name) states that he intends to build an all-American bike
anyways and reportedly has hires (so-and-so) who built the (whichever)
Harley..."
  IMHO we wont be seeing much more than T-Shirts and ads for future Indians
as this poseur collects a huge salary to _remake_ the Indian Motorcycle
Company.  I hope I'm wrong...

  Jeff Andle   DoD #3005
From: jbm@hal.com (Brad Might)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Any Experience with Scorpio Alarm ??
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:05:13 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: infinity.hal.com


Does anyone have any experience with the Scorpio alarm system ? Its
supposed to be easy to install.

1) do they work

2) are they easy to install ? (target: '93 600 F2)

If you have installed one, how did it go, and are you willing to give some
advice ?


thanks,

brad

-
DOD - don't got one, don't want one
'93 600 F2 | past lives, '86 RG500  '85 RZ350 '81 RD350LC
--
- standard disclaimers apply -
jbm@hal.com (Brad Might)                                
HAL Computer Systems - (512)794-2855                    
8920 Business Park Drive Suite 300 Austin, Tx 78759
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My first ABATE Toy Ride! (Squid rides with Harleys)
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:45:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu's message of 7 Sep 92 02:40:07 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Sep 92 02:40:07 GMT, fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein) said:
Clint> At first, we were *very* apprehensive.  But as we walked around the lot,
Clint> big guys in leather were telling us how glad they were that we showed

Most runs are like this.  Especially charity or benefit runs.  I
encourage all HOG chapters to specify "All riders welcome" when
publicizing an open group ride.

Clint> I guess it goes to show that after stripping all the
Clint> plastic away, we all ride on two wheels.

Boy, that was considerate of you :-)
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>      "Have you hugged the curves today?"
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.              MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:51:12 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>I think it would be a real hoot to have one of the Aermacchi (sp?)
>- Harley mopeds and use it to get a Hog membership.  I wonder if
>the local dealer would pay me to not park it in front of his shop.

While on a ride through the Ozarks in Arkansas this past August, I met
a guy who is a mechanic at the a M/C shop in Clarksville, Ark. He has
one of those tiny Aermacchi's and used it to register his 4 year old 
daughter in the HOG !!!!!! Supposedly she's the youngest official member
of HOG as of August 1992.

 No it doesn't have training wheels !!!! :-)
 It doesn't run right now either, it's in a million pieces on his
 workbench undergoing restoration.

=======================================================================
= Neal Howard                         | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 =
= email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | DoD # 686                     =
= CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          =
=======================================================================
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car driver with a Clue!
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:56:29 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep7.050642.743@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> Almost makes up for the brain-donor blonde I passed on the way home from
> work last week. I'd noticed this Honda repeatedly wandering over the
> line, then jerking back into the center of the lane, so I was in full
> paranoid mode when I got close enough to pass. I was curious to see if
> the driver was drunk, or what, so I took a look as I passed. No IQ-
> altering substances such as beer or cellular phones were in evidence.
> 
> She was reading a book!

this *is* weird!  most americans just wait for the movie to come out
on video.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
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From: kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Radar and Radar Detectors in Oregon...
Summary: They only use X and K mostly...
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:48:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

I came across an interesting tidbit of information the other day.
My mechanic whose helping me rebuild my trucks engine, and who
is also friends with the local motorcycle police officers, spent
two days testing radar guns and detectors with the police dept.

He told me that in Oregon only old fashion X and K band guns are
used, except for one Ka gun used in Lake Oswego.  Nobody has
the new Stalkers, or Lidar systems.  Now I don't feel so concerned
about not having a three band/wide band/laser  detector.  And
it turns out that mu old trusty Uniden RD9XL was one of the
better detectors they tested.

Washington is a different story,  they like to get their hands
on the latest technology as soon as possible.

Of course, I cannot guarentee the accuracy of this information, and
will not be held responsible if some one gets clocked with a new gun
here.  Just remember, riding smart is at least as effective as a radar
detector.

Kevin
-- 
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Kevin Jon Mills ('92 CBR600F2 CYBIKE)           kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com
"I'm convinved, you'll never stop looking for ways to kill yourself."
                                                            -- My Mom
From: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM (elaine 'BEANO' leffler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: vanity plates
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:06:01 GMT
Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.corp.sun.com

In article 3323@informix.com, dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd) writes:
>Someone I know, Karen (HI Karen, are you out there, Karen) wants to get  
>NOTAMAN. I really like that.

sigh.  good luck.  i tried.  NOTAGUY, NOTMALE, NOTABOY and NOTAMAN are
all taken in california.   i have seen NOTAGUY on a hurricane.

NOPENIS and NOBALLS were more recent suggestions.  i don't know if
they'd pass dmv's censors though.

elef


  **...........................................................**
     Elaine 'beano' Leffler     North American Solution Center
         elef@smarmy           Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
    elef@smarmy.corp.sun.com	       (415) 336-5142
  **...........................................................**

    your sweet little cupcake, baked with the batter from HELL....

   "...technology marches on - and makes 150-mph motorcycles for
    15-mph beginners' brains."	_motorcyclist_
From: ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Ih - Analog Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on defending yourself in
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:31:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: zxninja

In article 1886a5INN58@sixgun.East.Sun.COM, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>In article 92Sep4111949@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>>jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jack Reed) writes:
>>
>>>I got a 67 in a 45 that would have amounted to $109 had I pled guilty. 
>>
>>You fail to mention whether you were *guilty* or not.  If you're guilty
>>the I suggest you pay the fine and stop whining.
>
>Yo, Brice, this is America!  Whether he is guilty or not cannot be
>determined until after the trial.  


I think that should be:

Yo, Brice, this is America! Whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant.
Whoever comes up with the most convincing argument wins. Be aware that
an officer's word counts as "fact" unless you can PROVE otherwise. Your
word counts for donkeypoop. The benefits of a badge I guess...


Ron Ih
1990 Kawasaki ZX-6
ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

there is confusion here over what a "moped" is.  in CA,
a moped is a 50cc motorized bicycle.  it has pedals.  it
is not a motorcycle.  if anyone wants to argue the exact
definition with me, fine, i'll just pull out my 1990 CVC.
no self-respecting UCLA student would be caught dead with 
a moped.

what i believe the question is really asking about is
"scooters", not "mopeds."  a scooter is a motorcycle;
it has no pedals.  a typical scooter has small (12" ?)
wheels; a moped usually has 16" or 17" wheels.  i agree
with the arguments about the small wheels being dangerous.

Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
: Mopeds don't have the range or the luggage/passenger room of a
: motorcycle.

this is partially false.  my Puch Moped would go just as far as
diana's sportster.  my Moped had panniers, just like diana's
(though mine were heavy gauge wire, not leather).  i had a rack
on the back too.  granted, ya got the extra passenger benefit.
(and, not that i'm harping on diana or anything, but she has
what seems to be a solo saddle -- just like the Moped.)

: There is no rec.mopeds, so see how unimportant they are considered?

get a life, ed.  a scooter (not moped) is a MOTORCYCLE.  since you
have NOTHING, ed, you are lower than these scooter riders that you
so cheerfully denegrate.


-- hesh
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