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From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Back files of pagan publications
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:11:10 GMT

In article <eiDRsB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
>usr77@pil.UUCP writes:
>
>> You might also consider shoving the pagan publications through an OCR scanner
>> saving text as text and images (e.g. drawings, etc.) as images where
>> necessary and storing the output on anything from mag tape to cartridges
>
>I have a private archive of several thousand zines from the seventies and 
>eighties, and am about to buy a scanner. I'll do some experimentation, 
>and so what I can come up with as far as space requirements, compression, 
>speed of the process, etc....
>
>Certainly the e-format solves a lot of the distribution and 
>ease-of-access problems. Of course, fiche is pretty cheap, and a hand 
>fiche viewer is also pretty cheap... a fiche can be mailed with little 
>trouble... Well, maybe a combination of the two--- e-format with text 
>only, perhaps a cover .gif, with free or nearly free distribution, and a 
>fee-based microfiche system for those who want to view the 'funkiness' of 
>the original zine.

 Of course, this ignores the copyrights of the original artists,
publishers, and writers but this seems to be a constant problem in the
community. Everyone wants something for nothing. Are people going to
contact the original authors to get permission first?

Wassail,
Grendel

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From: n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Michael J. Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Birth data, etc...
Summary: another libra
Keywords: Libra, birthday
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:34:42 GMT

Well, I may as well add to the list...

September 25, 1970, 4:30 pm (I think).
Mt. Kisco, NY

Also have hazel eyes...
Also a Libra (though I think being that close to Virgo has a definate
effect on me...)

I'd be interested in results.  Also, does anyone know of an ftp site
where I could download Astrological software?

Dymen
n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (internet)
From: sfee@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Sandie Fee)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: more Birth Data....
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:00:59 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Greetings all....

I've lurked long enough and have decided to jump on the band wagon too!

I was born on a Sunday morning 5/23/54 at 10:40 am in a small town in texas
called Silsbee.

Bright Blessings,
Sandra
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:13:45 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman) writes:

> > 
> > **********************************************************************
> > * Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
> > *       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
> > *       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
> > *               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
> > **********************************************************************
> love the radio show man.
> 
> well met and wassail
> Thomas of House Hoffman
> 
> 


Glad you enjoyed it.  However, Chuck has given up Xenophile so I'll be 
shifting my time slot and my music selection to fill that up.  More space 
schmuzz and electronic music.  And of course "Bob".  But I'll miss Chuck 
Steak and the Xenophile, (Old Style).

**********************************************************************
* Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
*       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
*       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
*               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
**********************************************************************
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:17:51 GMT

txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
: 
: }Sounds to me like a fucked up boyfriend. He is responsible for his actions,
: }not some drug.
: 
: }Bill
: 
: 	You have some concept of what drugs can do. Any drug can goof someone
: up depending on how they react and the strength of the drug. There are drugs
: that are being sold over the counter that can have very bad perminint side
: efects.  When I went to the docter for a prescription for my asthma she told

Only rarely and when abused. I am not considering the allergic reactions that
some people have to various drugs.

: me that one shouldnt us primaten because of this reason (the efects are on 
: the hart). Around 90% of young people in prison for violent crimes were on

Depends on the person - some people have bad reactions, some don't. Most
occur only after long term usage or heavy usage.

: a drug that was concidered a mirrical worker (cant think of what is is called
: at this moment) it was used to treat hyperactive and uther *problem* chidren
: so as to keep them calm. Every one reacts difrintly to a drug that is given

Where did you dig up this "fact"? There is no documentation for it. I don't
even recall running across any Partnership for a Truth Free America making
such a claim.

: no drug is perfict, they all have posable side efects.  I am hyperactive,
: I was lucky in that my docter wouldnt let them put me on Ridlin (I remembered
: now you dont have to ask). Caffein does strang things to my system. Causes me
: to get edgy, decresis my atention span, and if I get to much causes me to
: have a miled (very miled) sezuer. It is not easy to control these efects.
: The only way that I am responsable for these efects is that I was the one who
: drank/ate ect.. the caffein.

Well, I assume you had sense enough to quit using the drug when you had the
undesired reaction. As such, you were, and are, responsible.
: 
: ELF-KIN
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: images of females
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:57:37 GMT

In article <BvpFpw.JIJ@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
>
>You are absolutely right!!! In Cairo the original "beledi" now currupted to
>Beli dancer (Belly dancer) is usually dressed in a complete dress. Without
>exposure of the breats or hips or anything else for that matter.

I've never heard beledi used in that wau before. I'm curious as to where
you got that information. To me, a drummer, beledi is a rhythm, as opposed
to shefteteli, or ayub, or other dance rhythms. Dum dum tekatek dum tekatek,
in the language of the drum.

>It is a western invention for the beledi to dance half naked bedangling with
>chains and glitter. This of course has become the standard popular theme. 

I usually avoid using the term "belly dancer" as it tends to invoke the
thought of the half naked cabaret dancer of the west. A truly beautiful
dance to watch is ghawazi. This is also the name of the coat that is worn
when doing this dance.

>Regardless, of the costume, the movement and style is >far< more important
>than the provocativeness which is suggested to be a prelude to sex.

Too true.

>In the art of the belly dancer, the control of a veil is not as easy as you
>would think. The movements of the abdominal area and other muscles is an art
>to attain and not easily achieved by the erotic imagery you would percieve.

Muscle control and isolation are the primary things a dancer must learn.
A friend of mine is learning classical Indian dance, and it's very specific
in those areas. It is a vibrant and beautiful form. She also tends to be
a very intense and spiritual dancer.

Bb,

Corun



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  Dark Horde by birth  |      Forewarned is a Hindu god.
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From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:56:42 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <5404@gold.gvg.tek.com> conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten) writes:
>
>What about the Pendragon dragon?  Isn't that a dragon from Western myth (or
>history, depending on your view of Arthurian legend) with a good connotation?
>
>Also, the symbol for Cornwall is the red dragon -- I believe the Badge of
>Cornwall is a red dragon on a horizontally-divided green and white field.

Not hardly! That's the flag of Wales.
>
>Anyone else know of any other instances of dragons associated with the Cymri
>tribe (Cornwall, Wales, Brittany)?  Seems to me there *are* others ...
>
>Coni B.

 mark
From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Becoming a Pagan
Date: 17 Oct 92 14:49:23 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand


	How I became a Pagan - by Matthew.


		I was raised Agnostic and so I learnt not to believe dogma.
		I read the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and learnt 
				"He clotheth the lilies in the fields"
		I read Mythology and so I learnt a thousand stories.
		I read Taoism and learnt to accept the paradoxical as real, and
				that not everything needs intention.
		I explored the New Age and learnt that people can talk about
				Love, and that things are connected.
		I spoke with Jehovahs Witnesses and learnt that it's okay
				to believe.
		I spoke to some trees and listened to the grass, I accepted
				that all things have life. Including IBM's
		
	I accepted the Gods into my life, I'm a Pagan.



			                     -Matthew.
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:24:30 GMT
	<49mksB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>
Organization: sometimes i rhyme slow but sometimes i rhyme quick!

In article <49mksB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> 
wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
>gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>> In thinking about children, it is usually a benefit to think at the
>> same time about the elderly, and what they might have to offer. Being
>> pulled towards a lowest common demoninator is usually the outcome of
>> so many abused children who are emerging uncomfortably and unguided
>> into their adult lives, where they in turn bear offspring . . .
>Very true, very true-- but this is one of those obviously wise things 
>that is not always so easy to accomplish-- much distance between the 
>ideal and the real.
>Maybe things are different in oz. Here there is much misunderstanding and 
>distance between the elderly and the young, and the gap is growing.
>And we 'pagans' have no elders, or few, and the communities are streched 
>out, fragmented. 

While it is true that mainstream US culture isolates generations and cultures,
perhaps this can be seen as just another dragon, inviting one to go on a
quest. Does one fight and slay this dragon or understand, make peace and work
with it? I find that just walking around, perhaps into neighborhoods that
are "dangerous", brings me face to face with this dragon. I find many people
who just want to talk and tell a story, perhaps share an experience and
this becomes a way to learn for me. I'm always fascinated by stories of
the Great Depression or another country or war or a time before TV and
radio or just what goes on in different neighborhoods or colleges and other
schools or the latest teanage lingo or ... Each generation sees different
things and every culture and every one sees different things. The stories are
out there, waiting to be told, waiting for the knight ... or the dragon.
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: I feel lousy about the shells now . . .
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:12:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.144449.12698@midway.uchicago.edu> dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Dear Janis,
>Don't give up on your shells -- just let as many people as possible
>know that you like them and that you want ones where the tenants
>have not been forcibly evicted! Some friends brought me a gorgeous
>conch that they found in Puerto Rico, they knew I wanted one but not
>one that involved an eviction. Minerals aren't much better, unless
>you find 'em yourself, there are an awful lot of people essentially
>strip mining to get crystals. I tend to hang out by water and try to
>pick up stones that way. Shall I find you a Lake Michigan one? --Debbie

Here in SoCal, you can actually go on mineral expeditions and PICK THEM
RIGHT OFF THE GROUND.  It's a fairly seismically active area (No!) so
there's a lot of stuff around.  You don't need to strip mine. 

Think of it as Utah West.  There's just a lot of the stuff around.  I'm
not worried about strip mining, but thanks for the warning!

And, if you want to send me a Lake Michigan stone of some sort, I'm not
complaining!

Blessings,
Janis
From: genek@neptune.informix.com (Gene Kain)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Guidance
Summary: practice of witchcraft
Keywords: witchcraft
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:36:33 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


        What I actually would like is info on the 


practice of wicca not just info on the subject


                        genek
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison)
Subject: Re: Birth Date and Announcement!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:13:31 GMT


Announcements of births bring great warmth to my heart.

Congrats and much happiness to come.

Blessed be,
Uncle Wolf.
From: akcs.whoite@ddsw1.MCS.COM (vicki m. ortega)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Food Blessings
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:00:03 CDT


>Sorry, I did not finish my reply my kids came in and bumped with keys.

>As I was saying: 

>Eshin-Fun wrote this in one of his/her article on the Lucumi some posts ago.

>I hope that Eshin, inspite of his/her terrible outbursts from time to time
>come back on those articles again.

>Bes


  I too hope Eshin continues posting the articles on the Lucumi.
 I've found them to be quite enlightening.

   Vicki


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Subject: Re: I feel lousy about the shells now . . .
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:48:37 GMT

It's safer to do your own collecting, whether of shells or minerals.  

I like nuts myself; Seattle has lovely horse chestnut trees, with
inedible but very decorative nuts.  They're glossy brown with a distinct
wood grain to them, and just the right size to hold in the hand.  And
the trees drop them in such abundance that I don't feel bad about
keeping some.

I have a crystal on my altar, given to me as a gift, but I feel
uncomfortable whenever I think about where it probably came from and
what the land there looks like now.  I won't buy them, and perhaps I
should give this one to someone else.

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie Brandt)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Publications
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:45:56 GMT
Organization: The Polyhedron Group

Is there a list out there, maybe on an FTP site, that has a current list of
Pagan oriented publications available?

Also by the way is there any one out there willing to sell or donate back
issues of pagan publications for Indexing, this index will be made
available to one or more of the major indexing firms to include in their
quarterly complations. Also I will post portions of it on a quarterly basis
on an FTP site as well. I am willing to do this so: 
    1. Librarys will be willing to subscribe to Pagon publications, 
    2. The articles written for these publications will have a wider access
and acceptance within the scholorly community such as cultural historians
and anthropologists. 
    3. Such articles will then be available to be gotten through Inter
Library Loan. and to be able to futher the growth and support for the
pagans with in the scolarlty community at large.

If so you can contact me through e-mail for my post offal address. etc.

Blessed Be Always!
Pegasus
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jasmine@sscux1.ssc.gov (Karissa Walden)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:35:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.055438.23716@u.washington.edu> mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
>In article <2AD252EB.28154@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>[creationism in an anthro classroom]
>
>>Any opinions?  Again, I don't want to let a remark like that just go,
>>but I don't want to start something, and I most definitely don't want to
>>waste the class's time frittering away the hour arguing with a fundie
>>with rocks in their head.
>
>"Religious explanations aren't within the scope of this course; we could
>discuss them after the class if you want."  And then go on.
>
>That's what I think I'd do, anyway.
>Best of luck,
>Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu

This is what my antropology teacher did and it worked really well.  We had
one group of Fundies in the class and when evolution came up they began 
spouting bible talk.  She said basically what Mary said above and there
were no more arguements in class.

Karissa

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From: fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin)
Subject: the serpent
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:21:58 GMT

i'm going to sound like i'm off the deep end here, possibly.....but as
someone both of analytical bent (hi, fellow xx chromosome scientific types
;-) and someone who follows shamanic pathways...

i met a python once while in a trance, and she said to me:  "i am the
gentlest of predators.  i kill only when i need to eat; i do not roam and
defend territory, but once i have my prey lie quietly and use the whole that
i can.  when i am lying still, even the smallest rodent may attack me, or run
over me without harm."

not too long after that, i read one of the stories by one of the western
tribes (wish i could remember which one!  i think it was in "the indians'
book," where a lady collected stories from the various tribes) about the
rattlesnake.  they said the rattlesnake was the gentlest animal, and also had
the prettiest skin, and so was much envied and abused by some of the other
animals, who were jealous.  so the rattlesnake was given poison to defend
itself, but being a gentle creature it also always rattled to warn the
potential offender so that it would not *have* to strike unless pushed.

how's *that* for a view of the serpent?

(admittedly, not all snakes have the same "temperament."  copperheads are
notorious for striking out of nervousness here, while timber rattlers are
much calmer and will rattle first....)
From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:04:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU really type:
}  glad i happened to check to see if my old maine account is
}  working, cos this is a subject i feel VERY strongly about.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here for the sake of discussion.

}  circumcision is a mutilation. 

Rather harsh words here!  It is a surgical procedure.

}  whole penises are much more,
}  not less aesthetic than mutilated ones.

My penis is not mutilated.  It simply has had the foreskin removed.

}  they are also more
}  sensitive and easier to play with

Uh huh.  How did you come to this conclusion.  Always (as far as
memory goes) having had a circumsized penis, I've never suffered from
a lack of sensitivity, nor had any problems "playing or being played
with".

And if you reply "well, those who have had circumcisions during
adulthood report a loss of sensitivity" - well, trauma to an area
after having had experience with the area *WOULD* cause a change in
sensitivity.  But when you grow up with said changes, your CNS and PNS
respond to what they know.

}  why attack a child's genitals before he is even old enough
}  for articulated thought?  that sort of trauma HAS to have an
}  effect on the psyche.

So that is why I'm such an ass!  :)  Seriously, I've had no problems
with being circumsized.  (Chordee is due to something else
altogether.)  If I do contribute towards the birth of a male
offspring, I don't know what I'll do - but then I don't have to worry
about that anytime in the near future.

}  i've acquired
}  a bit of an intimate knowlege of penises over the years, and
}  definitely enough to be able to speak intelligently in any
}  sort of discussion of comparison shopping.

Although you might prefer men with uncircumcized penises, you really
aren't in a position to have an opinion from the first-person pont of
view, just as men in the dreaded abortion topic.

}   it has no scars, it is smooth,

Um, mine doesn't have scars and is smooth as well.

}  ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...

I won't even comment on the host mailer server's name...
-- 
    _   Who:    John 'Vlad' Adams  (squig)  Scott T. Downtrodder III)
 _ //   Where:  jma@cis.ufl.edu    -or-    jadams@coral.senod.uwf.edu
 \X/    Why:    Lead us not into tempation - we'll find it ourselves!
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:25:50 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Oct8.125901.29278@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes...
>In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>>
>>Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
>>with a big red cross, reading:
>>
>>	Are you ready for the rapture?

Yeah, causea fter that comes the big End-o-times Gut-blowout party, 

		THE RUPTURE
>>
>>	Jesus is coming

	Someone get a towel!

>>
>>	October 28, 1992


	A nice, fun way to divert Christians is to throw Sub-genius propaganda 
at them and let them go tilting windmills! There's even a ANTI-SubGenius 
address that is run by the oganization. I managed to get abunch of local 
fundies who where picking on the local Pagans to make fools of themselves by 
attacking the evil twisted plot of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs and his hordes of Satanic 
saucer-worshipping minions! They spent WEEKS in the pulpet slamming "Bob" and 
I still don't think they got the joke.....


			- Ashley
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