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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Questions about Collies
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:14:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct16.154019.19043@menudo.uh.edu> st1pt@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>
>
>A couple of burning questions--nothing serious, just curious.
>(hey, that rhymes ! :)
>

Hey, that's what the net is for!

>1) Do collies get along with horses?  I had a friend (who had a colie 
>and some horses) tell me that collies were too high-strung and
>tended to get real excited and scare the horses. Is this true or
>doesit depend on the individual dog and/or horse?
>

Mine get along fine with horses.  Mauii gives them a wide berth, especially
the rear hoofs!  :)  Wolfie likes them, but is not sure what to do with them.
One of Mauii's puppies went to a lady that raised Arabians and she is
doing great.  Her owner says she follows them as they ride the trails
out back of their house.  I think it depends on how they are raised and
what you do with them around horses.  I also know of several collie
breeders that take a group of dogs out to exercise when riding on horse back.
That seem to work it out.     

>2) I know that there is such a thing as a smooth-coated collie.
> (After watching Lassie though, it shocked my socks off to see
>a short-haired collie the first time :) I'm curious though --
>are the smooth and rough collies considered as separate breeds
>or the same breed? If you have 2 rough parents, could you
>get a smooth puppy? (and vice versa)
>
Nope, the same breed, different varieties.  Like the wire-hair, long-hair
and smooth-hair for terriers.   You can get smooth puppies and rought puppies
in the same litter.  Two roughs will always give you rough puppies.  
Rough is recessive to smooth.  A smooth can carry a rough gene, and not
display it.  When bred to a rough, you can get both in a litter.
A smooth that is pure for smooth will only produce smooth puppies not
matter what it is bred to.  SO you get:

RR to RR = RR                     RR= rough collie
RR to SR = RR and SR              SR= rough factored smooth collie 
RR to SS = SR                               (a smooth collie)
SS to SR = SS and SR              SS= pure for smooth (a smooth collie)
SS to SS = SS

>Feel free to answer to one or both. Inquiring minds..... :)

>
>Amy
>--
>Amy Shinpaugh               "Excessive inquisitiveness terminated the
>st1pt@jetson.uh.edu          existence of the feline"

Hope that quenches the thirst!!

Cheers!

--------------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee 5 mo. sable and white collies  (we're all rough here!)
From: rowats@Software.Mitel.COM (Stephen Rowat)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:20:57 GMT
Organization: Small Systems Software, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 20:55:13 GMT

In article <26048@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes...

>>I'm putting on my flame suit :)
>>I find the "what breed is that" or getting insulted by having your breed
>mis-guessed to be a little on the pompous- side. I understand all the
>>reasons
>> for having breeds which have certain temperaments etc.  But...
[Deletions]

>My dog is a mutt and I wouldn't have it any other way.  He's got a 
>perfect temperment as did my 1st dog - another pound rescued mutt.  
>Well, perfect temperment for a pet/house dog.  (They might not have 
>made very good hunting dogs, I don't know.)  But maybe I'm just lucky.

Hear! Hear! When people ask what kind of dog Cato is, I replied proudly, 
"He's a purebread Golden Collie, since his mother was a purebread Golden
and his father was a purebread Collie.  What I liked about getting a mutt
(don't let Cato hear me say that :-) as a puppy is you don't really know
what he's going to look like when he get's older.  Not by any means do I 
think that all purebread Collies and Goldens look the same, but you do
pretty much know what you're going to get. With Cato, his hair changed
colour twice, I didn't know whether he would grow to be 50, 70 or 90lbs.
Thank God he stopped growing at 65lbs :-)  His legs looked short and stubby 
for awhile, but have now filled out.  

For my next dog, I'd like to get a purebread German Collie, hopefully that way I'll get a dog
whose ears will stand up! (But you'll never know till they do.)

Stephen Rowat
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Need info on Hip Dysplasia (Rottie)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29561]: diana
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:30:10 GMT


Hi all,

Bad news.  My dog has mild hip dysplasia in both hips.  One hip is 
sticking out of the socket somewhat (subluxated?), but the other is
so-called "arrowheaded"; the ball is not perfectly round.  

The dog's legs are very strong, so I'm not too concerned right now
about the shallowly seated hip, but I'm worried that the malformed
ball will deteriorate the hip lining regardless of what support the
muscles provide for the joint.

Any info on what to do or who to contact would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Damon (feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu)


-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Rabbits and dogs (was: Re: Rabbit turds)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 07:33:28 GMT


In article <BvCIxC.6B3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pgarnier@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Philip Garnier) writes:
[stuff deleted]
==> We too have a pet rabbit and two dogs, border terriers.
==> . . . In fact, the rabbit
==> the older dog, and now the puppy have worked out a marvelous symbiotic
==> relationship:  in exchange for his seemingly delicious droppings, the dogs
==> let the rabbit mount them when he is feeling amorous!

i'm SO glad to hear our rabbit isn't the only one!
we have a female (now spayed) rabbit and a spayed female
lhasa apso.  when the rabbit's hormones clicked in about
a month after we adopted her, she tried to mate with our
dog.  it terrified the dog -- i'd come home from work and
find huge tufts of dog hair everywhere!  if the dog weren't
so hairy, i'm sure she would have been injured.

a few weeks of bunny hormones was enough to last me a lifetime!
when i found out that there are also serious health benefits
to spaying rabbits, she got roto-rootered!
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: How to rescue??
Date: 15 OCT 92 16:36:55 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu


Hi Netters- I hope my subject line didn't sound too stupid but I really
would like to know the best items and  approach for saving a stray dog.
The other day I saw what looked like a lost or stray dog near the curb of 
a busy street.  It was in a bad part of town and traffic made it difficult to 
even stop.  I was leary of trying to get the pooch even though he was
a pup-albeit a large sheppard/lab/akita/mix??  I know I can fold down
my back seat ( I have a hatchback) and put the pooch back there with out
him ruining my upholstery (just as I do with my dog) My problem is I'm
afraid to have an unknown-probably scared dog behind me while I drive.  
Are there any pointers, techniques or tips or things to have on hand should 
this arise again.  Next time I would like to feel safe trying to help a 
possible stray.
Bev
Washington University Med. School, St. Louis
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Faery Rings
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:33:44 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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> In article <13760019@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, suew@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Sue Wood) writes:
> > A friend of mine calls the doggie-induced brown spots on the lawn 
> > "faery-rings". I don't know if that's a common term or not, but
> > I get a giggle out of it.   The term that is; the dead grass is
> > not all that funny.

I'm not sure about this (maybe someone else knows better), but I think
doggie-pee does something to the pH of the soil that some grass species don't
tolerate well.  If you wanted to get real scientific about it, you could test
the pH of the soil (various places in the yard) & then go to a local
yard&garden center or seed&feed coop (depending on how urban yr place is) & see
if you could find a grass seed more suited to the naturally & doggie-induced pH
levels in your soil.



------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Rottweilers or something else?
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:11:08 GMT

> If you have never trained a dog before, I would NOT recommend a Rottweiler as
> a first dog to try. They are MUCH more of a challenge to train than the majority
> of breeds. There are many more breeds more suitable to a first time dog owner.
> You would be setting yourself up for a big disappointment and could ruin an
> otherwise good dog. 

You think so, eh?  So what would be the most suitable and similar dog in your
opinion?  I do like most everything I have heard about Rotts, and I think they
are about the best-looking breed around.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a visit to
the pound/Humane Society would be the best route?

			-Matt
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mwp@wam.umd.edu (Marty William Peck)
Subject: dying - folowup
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:50:17 GMT

To all of you who read my previouse post, I'm sorry to say that Moose died
yesterday (Monday). He was having trouble breathing and sleeping all
through the weekend, so we took him to the vet just afer it opened Monday.
Apparently his Blood presher had become supper high. It was high enough to
start interfeering with the normal pumping of his heart, and was already
causing fluids to accumulate in the liungs and brain. He wasn't in any
pain yet, but it would be long befor he was. We brought him home and
burried him in the backyard. We had a live christmas tree that needed
replantingbadly. So we planted it on Mooses grave.

Anyway, to those of you who wrote to me, thanks for all your support, it
really helped. And for those who havn't had a chance to write yet, thanks
any way.

                                          Thanks,
                                           Martyn

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.backcountry
From: imkg2726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ilana M. Kingsley)
Subject: Dogs and backpacking
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:46:01 GMT

I'm interested in taking my pooch backpacking with me, but he has never
done this.  He's a 2 yr. old malamute/collie that I recently adopted, so until
he learns to come when called he'll be on a leash.

Several questions on the topic:
Does giardia affect dogs?
How can you train him for river crossing?
 & crossing in *cold* and *fast* water?
How can you train him to cross thin logs, etc.?
And any other comments you may have...

I'm planning on taking him on the long trail, in vermont, over the summer and
possibly to Big Bend national Park is Texas for Christmas (if dogs are 
allowed).

-Ilana Kingsley
 Dept. of Leisure Studies
 University of Illinois
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:20 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1687A7FBE.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu 
	(Chris Barnes) writes:
> 
>Huh?  Labs are first and foremost, dogs.  Dogs, all dogs, will have
>a tendancy at some level to be protective (at least of themselves).
>Dogs don't see a big differance between barking & growling
>& biting; to them they are all a means to accomplish the same goal.
>The difference between barking and biting is, IMHO, an arbitrary
>one that humans thought up.  The dog couldn't care less (unless,
>of course, we imposed a difference on the dog, but that still isn't
>what the dog would have done).  In other words, I think it's silly
>to have the expectation that a certain breed of dog (Labs in this
>case) to inherantly know the difference between barking and biting.
>Now if you want to say that Labs, as a breed, are less likely to
>be protective (by any means - barking, growling, & biting), than
>other breeds, then I will agree with you.


Whoa, Nellie!  A dog doesn't see a difference between barking and biting?
You can't be serious!  Nature does not work that way.  There is a BIG
difference between barks, growls, whines, bites, body position (aka body
language), etc..  It is, in fact, humans who arbitrarily assign all types
of bark-like noises to "barks"; dogs, on the other hand, will generally
have different types of barks for different types of events (a "I wanna
go outside" bark is going to be different than a "someone breaking into
the house" bark, though human ears may not be able to differentiate).
Taking that a step further, a bite is a substantial escalation from a bark
(warning -> agressive/defensive action).  Read up on some animal behaviour
literature for more info (does Desmond Morris have a "Dogwatching" book out?).

On a lighter note, we know that there is a difference in barks by watching
Lassie reruns:

Lassie: Bark bark!

Timmy's Mom or Dad:  What girl?  Timmy fell down the well?

Lassie: Bark bark!

TMoD: It's the Henderson's well?

L: Bark Bark!

TMoD: He's got multiple contusions of the tibia and a fractured ulna?
      What's his systolic?

L: Bark bark!

TMoD: That's pretty low; have you administered electrolytes?

L: Bark bark!

TMoD: Do you really think that's necessary?

L: Bark bark!!

TMoD: Ok, you can put him to sleep.

*********
Dave

-- 
Disclaimer: These opinions are not those of Informix Software, Inc.
**************************************************************************
The heart and the mind on a parallel course, never the two shall meet.
						-E. Saliers
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: angela@brahms.udel.edu

AL>It took awhile but I now understand what you mean.  May I
AL>paraphrase:  That euphemisms are used for our shelters, confuses
AL>the real intent and the real possibility that the dog will die
AL>there.  If we renamed shelters, animal kill center, for example,
AL>then people would think twice about bringing their dogs there.

AL>I think that I agree somewhat with the idea.  But what makes you
AL>think that they would not simply release the dog or cat to the
AL>glorious outdoors to be killed horribly by a car or worse?

I can't begin to count the number of dogs and cats that I have gotten
off the street in front of my home. I live in the country on a dirt rd.
People tend to think that this is a perfect dumping ground for thier
unwanted pets. I try to find homes for them, but when I can't I am
forced to call the animal shelter to pick them up. I do not like doing
this, but nor can I afford to keep all the unwanted animals. I have had
entire litters dumped, along with older dogs and cats with problems. We
have a cat, that we just could not turn in. She was about 3 weeks old
when she was thrown from a moving car while we watched. We bottle fed
this baby and fell in love with her and now almost 2 years later she is
still with us.
Yes is it sad that the shelters must kill thousands of dog/cats every
year. But what is the alternative? Mine is that all puppies that I sell
are sold on spay/nueter contracts. And I breed only when I know that I
will have a home for all the puppies. I don't use my males for stud to
outside bitches so that FiFi down the street can have puppies or so that
lil' Ralphie can see first hand the miracle of birth. IMHO these are not
valid reasons to breed a dog.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: fritzz@megatek.com (Friedrich Knauss)
Subject: Rescue?!?
Reply-To: fritzz@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:15:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.115704.1@scivax.stsci.edu> toolan@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>
>Yes, tough questions indeed, but the answer is in the stated purpose of the
>rescue group.  Once the fortunate few greyhounds come into the hands of the
>rescue group (in this case, GPA), THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE.
>.
>.
>.
>Perhaps the prevention of the problem with Pacer would have been better
>selection criteria.  I know that the dogs that come to the Maryland GPA (most
>from New England, and some recently from Georgia) are carefully screened to
>make sure that they are of excellent pet quality.

Maybe I'm dense.

Why is it worse to take in a dog to see if he responds
to a positive environment and put him down if he doesn't
than it is to reject him entirely and cause him to go
through a couple of owners at the pound and _then_ put
him down?

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From: rnt@drutx.ATT.COM (Diane Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Australian Sheep Dog Info
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:38:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T -- 1200 W. 120th Street, Westminster Colorado


I've always been a real softy about 
shaggy sheep dogs.  I saw one that
really tugged on my heart strings the
other day.  He was large - with long
shaggy gray and black fur.  His ears
pointed straight up.  Actually, he
looked a lot like Orphan Annie's dog,
Arf.

The owner told me he was an Australian
Sheep Dog - not Shepherd, but Sheep Dog.

I know that sheep dogs in general are
highly intellegent and have an affectionate
personality.  I was wondering if anyone
knew anything about this particular breed.

Diane Thomas
Denver, Colorado
From: vinod@watson.ibm.com (Vinod Narayanan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:04:44 GMT
Reply-To: vinod@fshvmfk1.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM


I have been following this thread with some interest, as I am also
thinking about getting a dog. I am currently reading the "Art of
Raising a Puppy". The factors affecting my decision are:  

1. I would like the dog to be a pet as well as a protector. Especially,
I would like it to act as a deterant when we go out jogging, walking, etc.

2. I live sort of in the country, with about 3 acres of land, so I will
be able to have a fenced in area for the dog.

3. My wife and I are out for about 9 hours during the day, and this is
my major concern. I worry that the dog will get bored if it has to stay
alone for that long. Perhaps I should think about getting two pets, maybe a
dog and a cat? or two dogs? Would the fact that I can have a reasonable
size dog run help?

4. Both of us have never had dogs before (though we both had cats), so 
I would like to get a breed that I can handle.

From factor 1, I was considering a Rottweiler or a GSD. We both do not
really want to get a doberman. However, couple of previous posters have
indicated that Rottweilers and GSDs are not for first time owners. 
Another breed I am thinking about is Great Pyrennes. (I have never seen
one, only pictures and an article in the recent Dog World, I think)
If someone has comments on what would be some suitable breeds for us,
I would like to hear from them. 

As usual, many thanks in advance for net.wisdom. This group has been
a great help in finding the initial reference material through the 
FAQs as well as the general discussions here. (We almost went to the
pet store looking for a pup, I am glad I came here and read the 
faqs first. Whew!)


--vinod                                        (914)-892-4107
vinod@vnet.ibm.com                  
  We don't have time to think; we have programs to write!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:00:41 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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If you can stand another story:

I can't tell you how many folks asked me, when I got my new (buff-colored)
Cocker Spaniel pup, if the (male!) Golden Retriever next door had "finally had
puppies."

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM (Tony Ooka, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I'm considering a dog...
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:52:47 GMT
Reply-To: tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com

Hello dog lovers,

I am considering owning a dog and would like to 
get an idea of the proper way/places to look for one.

For example, I have heard negative news about
CERTAIN pet shops--that the dogs are abused, malnourished,
and the owner inherits some of the problems due
to this kind of neglect...Also, many dogs are
sold with bogus pedigree papers [not that I am 
particular about this but if they are trying
to fetch a higher price for the dog well that's
outright robbery :( ]

Anyhow, I am partial to cocker spaniels and
chows (though I have heard the latter have the
reputation for being temperamental. However,
I welcome any recommendations from any happy
owners. If your letters are long feel free to
e-mail me directly.

Thank you all-

-Tony
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: pitbulls
Date: 13 OCT 92 09:31:56 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) wrote:

>In article <7OCT92.16034934@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>  About a pit-bull in a training class.....
>>       The dog was not obviously mean but obviously
>>       over bred-it was extremely undersized and didn't shake but 
>        ^^^^^^^^^
>>       *vibrated* all the time.  
>Bev: What does "over-bred" mean in this context..or any other, for that
>matter? This is not a term that dog breeders or geneticists use. Do you mean
>"in-bred" here? If so, how is in-breeding (ie mating two closely related
>animals such as brother-sister, father-daughter, etc) inherently responsible
>for the animal's faults? Now, if you had written, "poor breeding practices", I
>would likely concur.
>Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City OH 

	No I do not mean in-bred I mean "selected for one characteristic
	too much" or to be "over-selected" for a certain characteristic.
	Perhaps geneticists and breeders do not use this term any more
	however a fair amount of researchers do.  I hope I didn't sound like
	I was blaming the dog.  

Bev
Wash Univ. Med School, the one in St. Louis