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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Keywords: Progressive
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.074043.18030@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
>Say, has anyone heard of this group?
>
>Based on the responses to Genesis, Kansas, ELP, etc., probably not.

	Huh?  I don't really see the connection between sentence one and 
sentence two, but  I suspect there's a lot of people here who are into 
Dead Can Dance.  Personally, I've only heard two of there albums: _Aion_,
which I love, and their self-titled, _Dead Can Dance_, which I find a little
bit dull, but I've only listened to it one or two times.

>I'd say it is pretty interesting music.  

	_Aion_ certainly is, IMHO.  I should probably give their first one
a few more listens.  


>Give a few guesses at the type of music they play.

	Well, I wouldn't know exactly how to classify it. If I had to describe
it to somebody who was entirely unfamiliar with it, I would say that they
had an "ethereal" sound, somewhat like Enya or Cocteau Twins, and that _Aion_
has a rather strong medievalesque sound, while _DCD_ is more reminiscent of
the 1980's "alternative" college rock.  (I'm reminded particularly of early 
Shriekback.)  
	Maybe you or someone else would post a _DCD_ discography with some
descriptive comments?

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
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From: rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone)
Subject:  ELP Tour
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:39:10 GMT

An ELP tidbit:

A friend of mine attended the ELP dress rehearsal at the Tower in
Philly on Wednesday, July 22;  the actual concert wasn't until Friday.
It seems that the ELP Ego Wars are alive and well.  During a run
through "Romeo and Juliet", Lake stopped playing his bass and started
waving his arms at Emerson to get his attention.  When Emerson looked
up, Lake said, "I...don't...think...so!", and then they resumed playing.


Regards,

rafem
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From: paul@cyclops.mis.Tandem.com (Paul Sherrill)
Subject: Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:49:15 GMT

In article <13768@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

|> Just to get things started,  I've got an album by a group called "Galaxy".  
|> The album is called "Natures Clear Well".  I think it's excellent.  Anyone heard
|> it?  Anyone heard anything else by them?
|> 

I have this album but can't say I think it's great except for the title track. I 
remember seeing one other album by this group but never a listen.  
My choice for new progressive group would be PRIMUS.  I can hear alot of King Crimson
influence.  They also have the strange chord progressions and best of all have the
kind of hooks and solos that made me like the original progressive music.  Besides
I'm a sucker for a good fretless bass player.

paul
sherrill_paul@tandem.com
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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: Re: Genesis: What everybody misses
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.183056.22694@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
Ryan.J.Victor@dartmouth.edu (Ryan J. Victor) writes:
> I can't believe the debate that has swept this network! And so
> one-sided! Genesis this and Genesis that; old and new; good and
> garbage; Gabriel and Collins. Relax, most of you have got it all wrong.
> 
> 
> When Genesis first started they wanted to be a song writing collective..
> [stuff deleted]
> What most don't realize is that since the beginning,
> nothing has changed except personnel and their writing methods. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kind of says it all doesn't it?
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*many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased* Dan12:4
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Buying directly from the artist (was Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s)
Keywords: Progressive
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:13:36 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <y!mmdg#.ranjit@netcom.com> ranjit@netcom.com (Ranjit Padmanabhan) writes:

>I probably have an agenda here, but, if it weren't for the many independent
>mail-order companies who spent money and time distributing and spreading the
>word about Djam Karet's music, it is very unlikely that they would get the
>coverage that they now enjoy. So, before you grudge the "middlemen" their,
>often minimal, cut, it would help to have a broader understanding of the
>dynamics of the music business.

I couldn't agree with this more. How could any band doing an independent
production (and Djam K. is an excellent example) get any coverage outside
of their local area without these independent mail-order people.

Furthermore, It gripes me when people want to borrow this stuff and make
a cassette copy of it, yet they'll zoom to the store and purchase the new
stuff by ELP, Rush, Genesis, Yes, whoever. Hey...it's the independent
bands that need your support, not the dinosaurs that have already been
selling zillions of records for years. If you're on a budget, then
tape the dinosaurs, and spend your money on the new independent bands
that desperately need your support.
Taking Djam Karet as an example: Your purchase of their current product
will go far to insure that they will have enough money to produce future
product, and thus insure survival of the progressive genre. Think about it

ptlk
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From: gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: 90's progressive
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:52:25 GMT


Clockhammer.  Clockhammer.  Clockhammer.  

I know I keep saying it, but I *love* this band.

Anyone actually found a CD and checked it out yet?
I'd like to hear other opinions.


s
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From: garyp@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Gary Palangian)
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to Roger Waters & David Gilmour
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:08:03 GMT

Hey Now,

    Anybody have current info on Roger Waters?  Whatever happened
to Radio KAOS II?  Projects in the works?

    And what about Dave?  Any new solo stuff on the horizon?  


Gary
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:40:09 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul28.174340.22248@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.A.Wolk@dartmouth.edu (David A. Wolk) writes:
>Does anyone know anything about this band?  I have "Three Friends" on
>CD, but was a little disappointed with it.  I heard they were very much
>like Genesis and ELP.  "Three Friends" has some good songs, but at
>times it is kind of weak.  What albums would you suggest are their
>best?

No, I really wouldn't compare them to either Genesis or ELP, but maybe
Yes a little bit, but really they are unique. The title of one of their
albums is "Acquiring The Taste" and that about says it: I didn't like them
at first either, but they grew on me.
As for their best albums, I'd recommend "Free Hand", "Octopus" and
"Playing The Fool". "Giant For a Day" is OK, but it's more commercial
than their mid-period stuff.

ptlk
From: blindsay@bcarh773.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s
Keywords: Progressive
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:41:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

OK, so I think it is a safe bet that many people no longer consider
Genesis, Yes, ELP, etc "progressive".  We've seen post after post about
how good Genesis, etc.  used to be before they "sold out" .  So unless
this group is devoted to 70's Nostalgia, maybe someone could discuss who
are the best progressive groups working today?  (And what makes them
"progressive").
From: Ryan.J.Victor@dartmouth.edu (Ryan J. Victor)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Genesis: What everybody misses
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:30:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I can't believe the debate that has swept this network! And so
one-sided! Genesis this and Genesis that; old and new; good and
garbage; Gabriel and Collins. Relax, most of you have got it all wrong.


When Genesis first started they wanted to be a song writing collective;
they didn't even want to play their stuff, just sell it to bands.
However, instead they became the intensely exciting band that they are
to this day. What most don't realize is that since the beginning,
nothing has changed except personnel and their writing methods. Genesis
has always written for its current audience. In the seventies, they
were the cutting edge with their incredibly complex, layered sound and
their oh so British flair for the fantastic. But as times changed, so
their music evolved. This is why they are the sole progressive rock
band to survive the punk era, escaping the label of being antiquated by
becoming leaner to suit the times. 

In other words, Genesis music is the same as it ever was: contemporary
with generous helping of their own special touch-- an invisible one,
perhaps. Any Genesis album whether it be "From Genesis to Revelation"
or "We Can't Dance" is uniquely Genesis: it simply doesn't sound
remotely like anyone else. Besides, every album they've ever done has
songs that are really ballsy live. The Genesis intensity always has
been and always will be there in their music. If you don't like
anything past Gabriel's stuff, I suggest you re-listen to it and think
about the possibility that your musical tastes haven't evolved. By the
way, there's nothing wrong in not liking the music; but just don't call
it garbage. 

"And God, He's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune"
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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: Re: e: What are best albums of Genesis?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:38:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.191246.15519@gvl.unisys.com>  
rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> In article <Brup0L.Ewq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134pfzd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu  
(NADIR) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul23.143411.3387@linus.mitre.org>,  
rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes...
> >>In article <1992Jul23.120340.29102@gvl.unisys.com>  
> >>rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> >>> In article <1992Jul22.141628.18649@linus.mitre.org>  
> >>rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
> >>> >> In article <1992Jul20.111108.14479@gvl.unisys.com>  
> >>> >> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> >>> >> > In article <1992Jul17.190950.5143@linus.mitre.org>  
> >>> >> rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
> >>> >> > >In article <1992Jul17.115025.4092@gvl.unisys.com>  
> >>> >> > >rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> >>> >> > >> In article <elambert.711317846@qualcom>  
> >>> >elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com  
> >>> >> > >(Eber Lambert) writes:
> >>> >> > >> >Best Genesis: Selling England,Lamb...,Nursery Cryme, Trick,  
> >>> >> Trespass...
> >>> >> > >> >              Foxtrot.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >	      Everything else is average(wind, Live, And then)
> >>> >> > >> >	      or garbage ( => Duke)
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >But me... I'm just a lawn mower
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> 
> >>> >> > >> I can tell by the way you walk.
> >>> >> > >> 
> >>> >> > >> 
> >>> >> > >> 
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >It must be a draw...  there's no one left alive.
> >>> >> > 
> >>> >> > 
> >>> >> > So the Blackcap Barons toss a coin to settle the score.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> The Pied Piper takes his children underground
> >>> >
> >>> >Mild mannered supermen are held by kryptonite
> >>> 
> >>> And the foolish virgins giggle with their bodies' glowing bright
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>Amongst the weeds and slimey waters
> >
> >
> >we're gonna make it right - tonight, tonight, tonight   oh, oh
> 
> 
> And the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll

See me stretch for God's elastic acre
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From: garyp@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Gary Palangian)
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to Roger Waters & David Gilmour
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:12:22 GMT



-------------
Gary Schroeder writes:

Although "Radiowaves" was the only song I heard off of Radio Kaos, I got
the general impression that we should all be relieved that there was no
"Radio Kaos II".  Evrything I heard about that album was pretty
negative.  However, Waters is supposed to be releasing a new album
called "Amused to Death" (catchy title) sometime this summer/early fall.

--------------




Dude,

     It shocks me to hear somebody on the progressive board pass
judgement without a listen. :-(

     If you were a 'Wall' fan, you probably should pick up
KAOS.  Listen... and decide for yourself.

      I thought the music and the lyrics on KAOS were magical.  I was
much more pleased with KAOS than with MLOR.  It was so very pleasant
to have the diversity from track to track that I'd come to expect on
Floyd albums and lost with Gilmour's homogenous attempt reviving the
Floyd.

      And the KAOS show was probably one of the best I'd ever seen.
So much talent... Funky swings on prog favs... and Ladd droning
away as annoyingly as ever.  Roger choreographing a performance as
enlightening as The Wall.  The only thing that came close was the
Animals tour.

      Man... I feel so old.   Buy the album. 


Gary
From: smsst8+@pitt.edu (Steven M Scholnick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Woolfson/Parson's _Freudiana_ available
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:37:36 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive, rec.music.marketplace
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I've tried several times to post this to the Alan Parsons' newsletter, but the
message bounces back everytime.  As a result, I've decided to post it here.
_Freudiana_ is available in the US by mail order from a place here in
Pittsburgh; they have it on hand.  I just bought my third copy there the other
day.  The store is called Record Rama; their phone number is 412-367-7330.  As
far as I know, they do mail orders.

  In addition to _Freudiana_, which is priced at $24.99, they have other hard
to find imports, such as the recently released Genesis box sets.


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| steves@vms.cis.pitt.edu     |  or the guiding hand of fate             |
| steves@theory.chem.pitt.edu |  I don't believe in the stars or planets |
|                             |  or angels watching from above           |
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Seconds Out
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:02:29 GMT

Has anyone else here heard the UK pressing of Seconds Out? Just recalled  
how thrilled I was to hear that it ended differently than the US pressing.  
On the UK one you get to hear a tape of Ethel Merman singing "There's No  
Business Like Show Business" as the bad leaves the stage. Pretty cool! (At  
least it was when I got the album new at the age of 16...).

Gordon
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From: ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger)
Subject: Re: e: What are best albums of Genesis?
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:09:07 GMT

In article <nigel.711813275@barney> nigel@cs.city.ac.uk (Nigel Mitchem  - System Support) writes:
>
>Anything up to and including 'Lamb lies down...' I feel is representative
>of Genesis, then again I should say 'as I know 'em!'. Perhaps one of their
>very early albums (maybe the very first, not sure) called 'In the Beginning'
>(I think...) is not representative of the what I would call the true
>genesis...

Interesting.  This suggests that you regard the departure of Gabriel as
the "end" of Genesis. I guess I've always regarded the emergence of
Collins as a major influence on the band's direction to mark the "end."

I've come to classify everything from the Gabriel era "early" Genesis,
the stuff from "Trick..." to "Duke" as "new" Genesis, and everything
from "Abacab" on as "lousy" Genesis. (Ok, there are a few exceptions
per album, but overall this is pretty much the story IMO).

"Duke" was the last album I was really impressed with. I think I like
Phil's voice best on this album -- stronger and grittier, but not
yet commercial -- and even though there were a few poppy songs included,
the album still had some relatively "complex" compositions and some
great instrumentals. After "Duke," the spectre of Collins' success
tainted the band's material.

With the exception of ATTW3 (which was a real letdown after Hackett's
departure), I regard every album from "Duke" on back as pretty strong
(well, maybe not "From Genesis to Revelation" :-). Everything else is
the work of the hollow shell that was once a great band -- occasionally
giving off echoes of the past, but never really measuring up to it.
Sad. *sniff*

Jim
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: the worst genesis song
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:45:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <Bs63vz.HIs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134pfzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.154750.195@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes...
>>v134pfzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR) writes:
>>: I believe the worst genesis song would have to be "Grendel"...
>>Is this a joke, or are you being serious?
>A joke, sure, after all, it's a Marillion song, right? :) :) :) :) :)

...them be fightin' words, Dan... :-)

...and from a UB person, at that...for shame...


Kevin
(ex-UB music major)

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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: Re: Kitten
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:50:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.172309.3068@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans) writes:
> 
> Just thought everyone would like to know I got a kitten.
> 
> Her name is Kayleigh.
> 
> 

Meow
From: jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: PFM & Galaxy (Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s)
Keywords: Progressive
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:48:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711


Of the foreign prog bands, how many are instrumental only?  I get the 
feeling I'd be distracted by foreign language lyrics, or even worse,
badly accented English lyrics...'Scuse me for being "differently
liguistically abled"...
						John Stimson
						Harvey Mudd College
From: nigel@cs.city.ac.uk (Nigel Mitchem  - System Support)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: e: What are best albums of Genesis?
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:54:35 GMT
Organization: City University

In <1992Jul16.102514.5078@ctr.columbia.edu> cl@asterix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Carsten Lakamp) writes:

>In article 83183@netnews.upenn.edu, jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:>
>>In article <16824A9DD.SESPC384@ysub.ysu.edu> SESPC384@ysub.ysu.edu (JIM BABCOCK) >writes:
>>>I agree, Trick of the tail is by far my favorite Genesis disc.  However I do
>>>think that you shouldn't skip their semi-recent work.  The Genesis disc (w
>>>Mama) carries on the tradition of character sketches, tho the songs are shorter
>>>and starting to get mare poppish.
>>
>>Starting to?  It IS pop.  Haven't bothered buying a Genesis album since
>>_Duke_...yuck...
>>
>>It's a shame, too...
>>
>I can't agree more

Anything  upto and including 'Lamb lies down...' I feel is representative
of Genesis, then again I should say 'as I know 'em!'. Perhaps one of their
very early albums (maybe the very first, not sure) called 'In the Beginning'
(I think...) is not representative of the what I would call the true
genesis...

 Then again, it's all in the mind of the listener I spose.

Nig

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: ELP rarities
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:14:51 GMT

Speaking of foreign pressings, has anyone seen the German pressing of  
Brain Salad Surgery? The sleeve is printed on hard cardboard, and printed  
in the true colors of the Gieger painting - not the usual purple hue. The  
poster inside also has a different photo of Keith. The mix of the album is  
substantially different - much like the ones used for the CD master.

There's also a cool German promo for Works Volume 1. It consists of two  
7-inch 45's in a three-way gatefold sleeve like the album with group  
bio's.

And of course everyone knows about the Brain Salad Surgery promo  
flexi-disc from NME in a miniature paper sleeve that opens like the album  
does.

But have you seen the 45 rpm promo for The Nice? It was made for in-store  
play and features humrous quips from John Peel about The Nice inbetween  
snippets of Nice tracks. "The Nice came together in a void and will be  
around long after all the other trendy bands are performing pantomine in  
Wolverhampton"..."If you don't buy this record there is a large  
possibility that I will stamp my foot!"

And then there's the Taiwanese pressing of Pictures At An Exhibition,  
whose liner contains a most humorous attempt at translating the lyrics  
back into English...

I could go on for hours...

Gordon
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