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From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: Whither the Celts?
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:04:41 GMT

In article <WILLIE.92Sep28104226@amalthea.osf.org> willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams) writes:
   Since the Knicks trade, the Boston papers (and radio) have been
   eerily quiet on the Celts.  People seem to be hoping that the
   Celts have a deal in the works, 

Actually the Globe has had several articles --- the last was on Sunday.
They seem to feel that last year the Knicks and Celts were about equal
but that now the Knicks are clearly the better team.  (I hope they are
right).

BTW in the Sunday article X was as saying he had warned Patrick that there
would be "bloodshed" in the first celts/knicks meeting on Nov 14.  A little
bitter are we, X???  X also denied that the Knicks were going to give him a
good offer.  That seems very unlikely to me.

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From: art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG LING LING)
Subject: Bullets. Pistons.
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:21:32 GMT


Now after the dust has settled, what's the probable starting line-up and
key bench players for the Bullets and the Pistons ?

Also, does anybody know I Bernard King will attempt another comeback ?
Is his leg still busted ? Maybe he should go to Europe to play 40 games
a season as a kind of re-hab.


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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Subject: Re: KEVIN DUCKWORTH - 00 -
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Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:20:43 GMT

In <17597@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:

>Whoops. Forgot to include the article.  Anyway, as for Duckworth vx. 
>Benjamin and think one stat says why I'll take hime over Benjamin any
>day.  Games played: Duckworth, 82 --> Benjamin, 63.  Thats almost
>25% of the regular season.  Its also the difference between 50 wins
>and 40 wins.

Gee, what happened in the 90-91 playoffs? If I remember corectly, Benjamin
killed Duckworth. I am not saying that either center is great, or poor for
that matter! If however, one takes your reasoning of games played for one
season as being THE criterion, then perhaps it could be argued that one
should take Duckworth over David Robinson: 82 games vs. 68. Should this be
a common occurrence, then maybe one should look more closely at Duckworth.

>Duck vs. Lang. Just watch the Phoenix games.  Duck outplayed Lang and
>West consistently.

Not sure that this would be cause to escalate one into the realm of greatness.


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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
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Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:15:38 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>The Chicago Tribune reports that Trent Tucker has signed a non-guarenteed
>contract with the Chicago Bulls.  Tucker, 33, says this is a dream of a
>lifetime.  He was close to signing with a team in Italy, but excitedly 
>took the Bulls offer.  He would be back-up to Jordan and is a decent 
>three point shooter (taking the place of Hodges).  Commenting on having
>to guard Jordan in practice, Tucker commented "Better than in a game, we
>are on the same side now!!!"  The acquistion of Tucker leaves the 
>reaquiring of Hansen in limbo.  (Before the flames begin about Hansen, he
>was released at the end of the year, but the plan was to resign him for
>less money)
>
>Anyone know about Tucker's defensive ability??????

When he was on the Knicks, he was the best defensive guard on the team.
Although I must admit that doesn't say much with the likes of Gerald Wilkins,
Mark Jackson, and Rod Strickland.

>If he is decent at D, the Bulls are ready for the three-peat!!!!

I think this is a great move by the Bulls.  The Bulls roster know looks
like...

PG: Paxson      Armstrong
SG: Jordan      Tucker       C.Williams
SF: Pippen      McCray
PF: Grant       King
C : Cartwright  S.Williams   Perdue

The Bulls now have a VERY deep bench.

Look out...

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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Magic's back
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:04:13 GMT

In article <38793@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
>That's it.  I hate the Lakers again.
>
>Go Clippers!
>
>Tony

Spoken like a real Suns fan!

Scott
From: ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:17:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1afcvvINN58k@agate.berkeley.edu>, max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chu
ang) writes:
>In article <BvGC44.AFt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
writes:
>>      Don't forget Tony Smith or Anthony Peeler!  Even more depth for that
>>      8-man rotation...
>
>The only thing that bothers me about Magic's return is that it looks like
>Tony Smith will be the odd man out.  With Magic, Scott, Threatt, Peeler,
>and Cooper, I doubt they will decide to keep a 6th guard.  Divac and
>Edwards at center, forwards Worthy, Perkins, Campbell, and AC take up
>another 6 spots.  That leaves only 1 more spot, and I doubt Smith will
>get it.  It's really kind of a shame, I liked his D.
>
Originaaly I felt Tony Smith had some promise and he does play good D, but he
will never be another Magic or for that matter be even close.  Cooper should
be very solid in the last guard spot so if Smith doesn't make the team I don't
see any big loss.
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's Back
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:04:04 GMT
	<BvGpA0.Gst@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Oct1.232727.9747@sequent.com>
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: jds@sequent.com's message of 1 Oct 92 23:27:27 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.232727.9747@sequent.com> jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering) writes:

   >satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
   >
   >>Hi,
   >
   >>Am I the only one that is slightly distrubed by Magic's return?? Now don't
   >>get me wrong I think he's one of the greatest players of all time but come
   >>on now, basketball is a physical sport and the likelyhood of getting cuts is
   >>pretty darn high.  Now how many of you would want to participate in a full
   >>contact sport with a person who's carrying an infectitious disease when 
   >>he starts bleeding???
   >
   >	I've always wondered why everyone's made such a big deal about this.
   >	Think about it -- Magic's been in the league for over a decade now,
   >	and -- have U ever seen him suffer an open wound?  Sure, I've seen
   >	him injure a knee, or pull a hamstring -- but I've never seen him
   >	get anything as much as a paper cut!  In fact, just off of the top
   >	of my head, I have barely ever seen any open wounds at all -- sans
   >	the time when Isiah Thomas ran into Karl Malone's elbow... :)
   >
   >	Jazzy J


	 Its pretty obvious to me that a lot of NBA fans out there don't also
   participate in the sport recreationaly. I play at the local gyms 2 or 3
   times a week and even at this level i find not more than 2 weeks will
   go by without at least a small bleeding cut being inflicted on myself. Ask
   an NBA player and i'd be willing to bet that they'd tell you they seldom
   leave a game without at least a little of thier own or someone elses blood
   on themselfs or at least on thier clothes. Television does not show this
   amount of blood very well and i really beieve there is a lot more there
   than most people realize.
   -- 
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I was thinking the same.  Especially if you're a point guard who goes to the
whole (like Magic does).  After playing pick-up ball, I'm always happy as
hell when I get done and find no jammed fingers, face or body lacerations,
and knees and ankles still functioning properly. 
I suppose, however, that NBA officials will be watching Magic like a hawk.
I think they'll handle him with the kind of precaution that will be effective.
It's the undiagnosed NBAers I'd be worried about.
Wayne.
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Scottie Brooks Info (was Re: Rockets Trade)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:10:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>>>I just read that the Minnesota Timberwolves have traded guard Scott Brooks to
>>>the Houston Rockets for a 1995 second-round draft choice.  Anyone have any
>>>info on Brooks?

So does this mean Laettner is going to put his name on the dotted line in the 
near future? They seem to be clearing away any salary cap problems (Campbell
and now Brooks)...

						Dennis J.
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:23:11 GMT

In article <56338@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <16872100D2.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>Nets didn't match the Pistons $10 mill/5 year offer, so formerly restricted
>>free agent Mills is a Piston!
>
>Shouldn't the ! have been a )-:  ? Mills did pretty well last year, but
>no way is he worth that money.

Weren't we just talking about the salary cap, free agency
moves, and stupid GMs...
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From: ichong@oracle.com (Ivan Chong)
Subject: Laker roster
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:32:08 GMT
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It seems that the Laker roster for the 92-93 season will definitely
consist of the following:

Forwards: Worthy, Perkins, Campbell, Green
Centers:  Divac, Edwards
Guards:   Magic, Scott, Peeler, Threatt

Who will the last two players be?

Someone mentioned that there was a good possibility of Duane Cooper
(2nd round pick from USC) making the roster.  I also remember reading
in the newspaper that the Lakers might sign Sean Higgins, a 6'9 forward
out of Michigan. Does anyone have any more details on Higgins?

-rejuvenated Laker Fan
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:50:50 GMT

In article <596@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>
>I agree with you there. It wouldn't make sense to have Magic bring
>up the ball on every play. Sedale did a fairly decent job of that
>last season. But IMO he didn't do a very good job of handling the fast 
>breaks. (as meager in numbers they were last season!). But no coach in the 
>world can get Magic off the ball during a fast break.  He just pounces 
>on fast break opportunities and that will probably continue to happen 
>next season too.

One problem, the Lakers are older and slower than they were 2-3 years
ago and the rest of the division is faster.  I don't even remember
them running in 2 years ago - they were pretty much a post team.
Granted you don't have to be that fast to run a good break (Magic was
never really that fast), but with the quicked lineups in the Pacific
I think those often occuring Laker breaks are a thing of the past.

>It wouldn't surprise me if the Lakers had a crunch-time line-up
>of Magic, Sedale, Vlade/Campbell/Edwards, Worthy, and Perkins,
>with Sedale being the PG on full-court plays.

Yup.  Sedale is a better everything than Byron, including 2 guard.
I never really thought he was that good, but Byron really showed
what he was (or wasn't) worth last year.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: John Starks Forgot About
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:29:23 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>Well, just as a small point...  Hodges shot 49% 1 time.  His other time 
>leading the league, he only shot 45%,  I don't think Tucker ever led the
>league, but he also made it as high as 45%   As a comparison, this is the
>list of All-Time leaders in 3pt percentage (career, with 250 made minimum)

[stats deleted]

>So, yes, a 44% leading the league is not GREAT, but it is still very 
>respectable, and is still great unto it's own.  He can't help it if no
>one else shot as high...

	Well -- the stats are great -- and your point is well taken.  But
	I think the original arguement is that someone was arguing about
	how Starks' 3-pt attempts weren't worth the effort, since he only
	hit about 34%.  Of course, if you're hitting over 33%, and considering
	the amount of 3's Starks takes, he's evening himself out.  I forget
	how Barros and his % came into the picture...

	Jazzy J
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Suns anti-woof
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:01:30 GMT

In article <38352@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:

>BTW, for those of you keeping score at home, the Suns are now
>looking at 16 players:
>
>PG-- Kevin Johnson, Negele Knight, Frank Johnson
>SG-- Dan Majerle, Danny Ainge, Brian Davis
>SF-- Charles Barkley, Cedric Ceballos, Richard Dumas
>PF-- Tom Chambers, Jerrod Mustaf, Kurt Rambis, Ed Nealy
>C--  Mark West, Oliver Miller, Tim Kempton

My predictions on who will stick:

Frontcourt: Barkley, Ceballos, Chambers, Mustaf, West, Miller, Dumas
Backcourt: KJ, Knight, Majerle, Ainge, Davis
                                       ^^^^^
                           (I predict Davis will stick and become
                            the NBA's next T.R. Dunn.  Woof Woof.)

Simultaneously across the globe, people are shouting, "Who let that Duke fan
in here??"  :)




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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: British odds on the championship...
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Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:28:35 GMT

In article <BvGp62.Gr2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Interesting... no Phoenix?  I'd surely put them ahead of San
>	Antonio and Golden State.  Perhaps the British know something we
>	don't know?

No shit, particularly with the addition of Barkley and the
international exposure he got with the Olympics.  He was
definitely a standout and you'd think that would lead to
international odds leaning unrealistically for the Suns
rather than against them.
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From: xinjin@athena.mit.edu (Xinjin Zhao)
Subject: Re: Magic signs $14.6M 1-year contract for 1994-1995
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:56:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.123623.26492@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
|> On the radio this morning, I heard that Magic Johnson has signed a 1-year
|> extension to his contract worth $14.6 MILLION.  This would be the largest
|> contract ever awarded in team sports (obviously).
|> 
|> He is under his current contract for the next two seasons (92-93, 93-94).
|> 
|> Anyone know the specifics?  
|> Is he guaranteed it, even if he doesn't play? 

Yes, it is quaranteed, according to Boston Globe.

|> Is it really a 'retirement fund'?
|> How much is he getting this year and next year?

I think it is about $2.5 million for this year and next year.


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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Success in small markets
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:34:06 GMT

In article <38719@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>Anybody else here notice a trend toward success in the smaller
>markets?  The final four in the Western Conference will most likely
>be Phoenix, Portland, Utah, and San Antonio.  (Maybe Seattle will
>make an appearance.)  The Eastern Conference champion may be produced
>by the mistake on the lake.  I think this is cool.  Anbody else?

     I agree that it's cool to see some teams from "new" cities in
the Finals.  Also this contradicts the bizarre "NBA dictates the
Finalists in order to get high TV ratings" conspiracy theories
we saw last spring.
     But I don't see San Antonio as one of the Western final four.
Cummings is out for the season, Strickland is gone;  basically this
team has the Admiral, Elliot, Willie Anderson and not much else except
for a bunch of UNLV alums brought along by the Shark.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:26:39 GMT

max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang) writes:


>The only thing that bothers me about Magic's return is that it looks like
>Tony Smith will be the odd man out.  With Magic, Scott, Threatt, Peeler,
>and Cooper, I doubt they will decide to keep a 6th guard.  Divac and 
>Edwards at center, forwards Worthy, Perkins, Campbell, and AC take up
>another 6 spots.  That leaves only 1 more spot, and I doubt Smith will
>get it.  It's really kind of a shame, I liked his D.

	Come to think of it -- Tony Smith probably is the odd man out.
	The player I forgot to mention was LA-native Sean Higgins, who
	was signed as a free agent.  He'll be a backup at small forward.

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks *really* going to be that good???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:17:59 GMT

markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

>If you think Oakley can play just about any front-court position, then I
>defy you to name a power forward that *CANNOT* play just about any front-
>court position.

	Um.... how about Larry Smith?

>Oakley at anything but power forward would be absurd.
	
	My sentiments exactly.  Could U imagine Oakley trying to guard
	Scottie Pippen?  <laugh>

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: pervis ellison
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:15:10 GMT

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>Center instead of PF. I think that his ppg is a bit inflated 
>because of the dearth of shooters that the Bullets have. He's
>playing much better D now, and seems to be 'round the ball for 
>lots of boards. He runs the floor very well for a big man.
>Let's hope that he keeps improving and doesn't get hurt.
>The Bullets should be running a more uptempo game, since they
>have no real outside threat, and are undersized.

	Hmm...  what's Michael Adams?  For a guy who has numerous 3-pt
	shooting records, I'd consider him an outside threat.  And, if
	Rex Chapman can get his act together, he'll be an outside threat as
	well.  Brent Price will certainly shoot his share.  I'd say the
	Bullets have a decent amount of outside shooting...

	Jazzy J
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From: ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's Back
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:42:36 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BvHE12.43M@agora.rain.com>, robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) wr
ites:
>In article <1992Sep30.060835.29204@nuscc.nus.sg> art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG L
ING LING) writes:
>>Note: if the Lakers need a clutch play down the wire...ka-boom They will
>>blow it, as they did often enough last season.

Well if they did blow the clutch play without Magic this year at least he will
be there part of the time to make the big play this year.

Worse still, the rest of
>>the team might feel pissed that Magic will get royalty treatment because
>>of his HIV and unretirement status.

Well I think Magic would trade getting royalty treatment for not having the
HIV virus.