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From: dadoun@cs.ubc.ca (Nou Dadoun)
Subject: Re: Dave Holland
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.200232.9255@nic.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>In article <SMEHTA.92Apr14134242@kwela.nynexst.Com> smehta@nynexst.com writes:
>>> william sadler <wsadler@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>> Can you post all of his albums as leader?

>>This is only what I have. The Berger and Rivers dates are co-led. 
>>As a leader:
>>Berger, Karl - Transit (w/ Holland, Blackwell)
>>Holland, Dave - Conference Of The Birds       
>>Holland, Dave - Jumpin' In                    
>>Holland, Dave - Seeds Of Time                 
>>Holland, Dave - The Razor's Edge              
>>Holland, Dave - Triplicate                    
>>Holland, Dave - Extensions                    
>>Rivers, Sam - Vol. 2 w/ Dave Holland          
>
>  He also did a solo bass album (I think around 1976) called Emerald Tears.

I've got a few more, there's also an ECM bass duets album with Barre Phillips
called Music from Two Basses (for bonus points, name who did the artwork for
that album cover), also on ECM a solo cello record called Life Cycle (I saw
him on his solo cello tour in  about 1979 or so). The Sam Rivers  date has
a corresponding Vol.1 (just out on CD), and a co-led date with Braxton on
Sackville called Trios & Duets.   In addition to McLaughlinism's like
Where Fortune Smiles plus a  million side-person dates.

Nobody's mentioned his periodic country/bluegrass work though (surprised?),
he played  on an early Bonnie Raitt album (her first?) that was produced
by a young Michael Cuscuna in the early 70's.  He's also on a fabulous
Norman Blake/Vassar Clements album known topically in the bluegrass
community as the Hank Deane sessions.

-------------------------------------------------------------> Nou

"That Dave, man he's a bitch..."

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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Zorn and Burrell
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:54:50


> gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea) writes:

> "More News for Lulu" (John Zorn, George Lewis, Bill Frisell
> interpreting Blue Note hard bop tunes) is much more interesting
> than their first try -- it's quite entertaining, in fact.  Frisell
> is a major contributor this time, and he accounts for much of the
> difference in openness and interplay.  With the first album, I had
> usually had enough after about 5 cuts and would take it off.  Here,
> I listened to half of it at a time (2 * 39 minutes) and it seemed
> short.  Note that 13 of the 15 songs on "More" were also on "News";
> they even repeat "Blue Minor" again, so we now have 4 versions on 2
> albums.

I agree that it is more interesting; actually, the word that first
popped into my mind was "fresh". I think the Lewis/Zorn interplay w/
the same material is more exciting. It definitely makes the large
overlap in material worth it. The only grudge I had was w/ the mix on
at least the Paris set -- Frisell got easily masked esp. when Lewis'
'bone stepped up. The Basel set was better. Listening to this disc w/
headphones would certainly help. It is also important to note that
the only non-Mobley/Dorham/Clark tunes they covered were by Misha
Mengelberg and Big John Patton... hmmm :-)

Having seen Zorn again this week, albeit in a very different context,
I think some critics have been harsh on his alto playing. I believe
it is very much a matter of setting. The abrupt improvisational
spurts that characterize the Naked City material are hardly the
grounds for developing *complete* ideas. Zorn's technique may not be
perfect by some people's definition (no prizes for guessing :-)) but
I think his ability to understand the "attitude of the moment" with
other players, e.g., Fred Frith, makes very aggressive and
interesting music. An interesting study, in the context of instant
and short improv spasms :-), would be to contrast him w/ guitarist
Billy Jenkins esp. the BIG FIGHTS projects where each of 12 improv
duels is limited to 3 minutes, i.e., a boxing round.

Well that's enough rambling for the moment...

/sandeep
--
smehta@nynexst.com
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"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
	-- Edgard Varese
From: gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Dave Holland
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org

Here are some that no one's mentioned yet:

1. Anthony Braxton, "Complete Braxton", Arista, 2 LPs (only).
2. Anthony Braxton, "Montreux/Berlin Concerts", Arista 2 LPs
	reissued (minus some Braxton/Lewis duets) as "Anthony 
	Braxton Live" on Bluebird as a single CD.
3. Anthony Braxton, "Dortmund 1976", Hat Art CD.

The liner notes to (2) bemoan the fact that the quartet (AB, DH,
George Lewis, Barry Alschul) hit a creative peak at a concert in
Dormund, but that it was not recorded.  Surprise!  (3) is a
suspiciously very-well-recorded document of that date and it is
_brilliant_.  It came out last year on Hat Art.  So get these in
reverse order!

Holland is on the excellent new Steve Coleman "straight ahead jazz"
album "Rhythm in Mind".

He is also on two Sam Rivers 1979 albums: "Waves" (perhaps SR's best) on
Tomato and "Contrasts" on ECM (not on CD).  They did two duet albums as
well, available (in Europe, at least) on CD.  

Finally, I have a "D. Holland" listed in my database for the Maria
Muldaur "Midnight at the Oasis" album.  I'll have to check on this one
tonight, but it could be true; after all, Benny Carter played on and
arranged some of the tunes on her second LP.

--------------------------------------------------
Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
Wavetracer, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: Giant Steps
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:50:21 GMT

Has anyone heard this Cuban pianist that has a couple of CDs out with
Charlie Haden and Jack DeJohnette ? He does an interesting version
of 'Steps on it and in general sounds fantastic. (Of course it helps
to have Haden and DeJohnette). I can't remember his name.

-Jaz

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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: edb@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Ed Blachman x4420)
Subject: Re: Songs about taxes
Reply-To: edb@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Ed Blachman x4420)
Organization: SWAPA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:17:09 GMT

In article <92101.152430GD9@psuvm.psu.edu> GD9@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> I am doing a Folk Music Show on Wed. April 15th and would like to
> know if you know of any songs about taxes or paying taxes or not
> paying taxes.  I would like the name of the singer and the album it
> is on, if possible.  Thanks!        Carol

On Carla Sciaky's album _Under the Quarter Moon_ (Propinquity Records),
 she does a song called "The Yuppie of Denver" which might be suitable.
 It's a parody of "Streets of Laredo" in which the protagonist's problem
 is that he's about to be audited....

Ed Blachman	edb@ileaf.com	(or)	...!uunet!leafusa!edb
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Gordon Giltrap anyone?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:13:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: sometimes, but never early in the morning

In article <5sfhb34x@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esucv@warwick.ac.uk (TOny M) writes:
>I have 'Perilous Journey' and think it's brilliant. Does anyone know what
>Gordon's other albums are like? (do they also contain orchestra / piano /
>synth / sax et al.??)

i've run into a few.  Peacock Party (1980?) is pretty good

basicaly he's a flashy but tasteful guitarist with goood
arranging skills, he does soundtracks for TV stuf in the UK.


nothing folkie about him at all, even if he does hang out
with Fairport fiddler Ric Sanders (they did an album
together three years ago, called One To One, on Nico Polo
, CD only).  they perform together quite a lot.

P Party at times sounds like good instrumental Genesis,
Selling England period.   well thought out guitar and
a million other instruments passages, no two alike,
sax, flute, violin, keys , Morris Pert on percussion.

he has some much scaled down stuff out of late that gets filed under
Newage in Germany.


e /`

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From: trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: ofra chaza 4/7 cambridge shows postponed
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:27:32 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Originator: trb@jambi.ima.isc.com

The April 7 Ofra Chaza shows at Nightstage in Cambridge, MA have
been postponed.  There will be one show instead on Saturday night,
April 11, at 7:30, and all April 7 tickets will be honored.  Call
Nightstage at 617 497 8200 for confirmation of this info.

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474
From: krakauer@asdg.enet.dec.com (David Krakauer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Richard Thompson and his audience
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:15:51 GMT
Reply-To: krakauer@asdg.enet.dec.com (David Krakauer)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Hudson, MA


In article <DAN.92Mar30214411@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
|
|>Thompson is, I think, genuinely annoyed by the fact that his devoted
|>fans seem to often request only very old stuff.  He's joked about the
|>audience's conservative tastes in music for years (usually it boils
|>down to "Why haven't you bought any new records in 25 years?" or some
|>variation on that theme).  He also used to act completely bewildered
|>at the fact that American audiences often jokingly request "Freebird"
|>at every show or concert they go to (I don't think I've ever been to a
|>concert where people were shouting out requests, where some moron
|>DIDN'T request it).  I think he also finds some requests bewildering,
|>though I have heard a tape where he honored a request for "Purple
|>Haze", and did a fine, even inspired, version of it (he and Hendrix
|>*were* after all part of the same scene at one point, so the legend
|>goes).  And no, I do not have a tape of it.
|>

While no one except RT himself can say whether he is bothered by his audience,  I have never had the impression that he is annoyed by them.  The quote from his Berklee show was in response to an old song request: "Just because you haven't bought a record in 25 years..." is closer to what he said, and his facial expression made it clear to me (at least) that he was joking around.

The "Freebird" requests are always a joke.  I cannot believe that anyone really wants to hear Richard Thompson play it. At the Paradise last year he jokingly started playing the lead part in a frenetic way and said that it was his version called "Cagedbird".  At the same show, someone requested "Mac the Knife" which he and his band went on to play.  He even tried to get an audience member onto the stage (the audience member was a news photographer and had no intention of getting the stage). This does not s




ound like a man annoyed by his audience.

Also not all requests are for old songs.  I have been to plenty of shows where people call out for recent songs.

Finally, Richard Thompson has stated that he prefers to play to small audiences. I can't imagine him playing to a small, intimate crowd if he didn't like to audience interaction.


			---krak
From: johnmac@reg.triumf.ca (JOHNMAC*DOUGALL TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Elderly Instruments
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:58:00 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.054503.29874@edsi.plexus.COM>, terry@edsi.plexus.COM 
(Terry Dawson) writes...
>irilyth@cs.swarthmore.edu (Joshua Smith) writes:
> 
>>Elderly Instruments, somewhere in Michigan,
>
>I play left-handed guitar and it's a major event for me to see any left
>handed instruments in the stores where I live.  At Elderly I was able to
>noodle around on and compare five guitars, including two Martins and a
>Gibson.  The right handers in our group were even more ecstatic.  Lots
>of nice stuff, reasonable prices and a friendly, helpful and
>knowledgeable staff.

Oh tell us more about these lefty Martins....a D-18 perhaps?  
-john.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: cockburn@majors.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: UK folk magazines
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Newbury, England
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:16:38 GMT


Hi,
	Does anyone have the address of any UK based folk magazines? I'm
with the London Gaelic choir and we'd like to advertise in various such
publications. Please post the any info you have here, rather than sending
it to me by email

thanks
	Craig 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
From: wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Subject: Cheryl Wheeler on TNN
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:14:28 GMT



According to the Philadelphia T.V. Guide, Cheryl Wheeler will be a
guest on "Miller and Company" this Fri., 4/10, at 1:00 PM.

Cheryl is a folk singer with a great sense of humor, and a nice song writer.
If she ever lost her singing voice, she could easily make a living as a
comedian.  I recommend you check it out.

If you ever get a chance to see Cheryl in concert, I highly recommend it.
She will have you laughing one minute, and getting chocked up the next.

Unfortunately, she usually stays in the New England area, but will
sometimes travel to other places.
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From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:04:24 GMT
Subject: Connie Dover - (cross 'tween Enya & Mary Black)
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk

Wonder what to get after Enya, Mary Black, or Maura O'Connel?
I've just discovered Connie Dover and her CD "Somebody", containing songs
of scotland, ireland and early america.  It's wonderful!  The song "Cantus" 
is every bit as beatiful as one of Enya's.  

I ordered it through Taylor Park Music    
                     P.O. Box 12381
                     N. Kansas City, MO   64116-0381   USA
                     (816)455-5524    FAX (816)842-0025

I think it cost $16.99 (postage included for once!).  Well worth it.

I have a flyer that says she was featured on NPR's "Weekend Edition".
It also says the instrumentalists are from the Scots/Irish bands SILLY
WIZARD, CAPERCAILLIE and the BOYS OF THE LOUGH.  (I'm unfamiliar with
these ... any recommendations?)

"A superlative work... the vocals are impeccably lush, the production is
magnificent, the choice of material superb".  Brian O'Donovan,
                                              Celtic Sojourn, WGBH-Boston

"Dover's voice is a wonderful instrument..."Somebody" is a truly auspicious
debut."                                       Michael Tearson, Audio

"Just occasionally, a voice arrives on the folk scene that is so pure, so
beautiful, so magical that it tells you:  this is how to sing a song.
Such a voice has Connie Dover...  This is an extraordinary album of superb
singing; a pulsing, vibrant joy fromt he very first track to the last.
                                              Alastair Clark,
                                              "The Scotsman", 
                                              Edinburgh
 
Judy
From: mcclosk@cats.ucsc.edu (James McCloskey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Kevin Burke
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:16:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32812
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz



In article 9263, Gordon Smith (gt2641@prism.gatech.EDU) says that it is
"nonsense" to say that Tommy Peoples is a much better fiddle-player
than Kevin Burke.

It's probably foolish to argue about what is at bottom a matter of
personal taste, but still .... it is of course true that the two of
them draw on different traditions (Donegal and Sligo respectively)
and have, partly in consequence, very different styles. But that
doesn't mean that they can't be compared. When that comparison is  
made it seems to me that there is just no doubt about who is the
better and more imaginative player. Peoples is technically more
proficient, has a richer tone, and more importantly is extraordinarily
innovative and original in the settings he has devised (and in his
compositions). A combination of drive and subtlety that I've not heard
from any other living Irish fiddle-player. You can hear all this in
particular in the recording her made for Shanachie---`The Iron Man'
(with Daithi Sproule on guitar).

None of this, of course, is meant to take away from Kevin Burke's
achievements---he too is a fine player,

Jim McCloskey
From: William Stofega <wstofega@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:07 PDT
Subject: New Recording
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1456100003:000:778
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!wstofega    Apr 11 11:07:00 1992


     I have recently acquired a new, delightful recording by
Lorraine Duisit and would like to pass this information along. 
The recording may be difficult to find in most music stores. 
Lorraine Duisit has released a cassette collection of hymns
dating from the 16th to the 20th century.  The accompaniment to
Lorraine's soprano vocals includes piano, organ, harp, bowed
psaltery, and hammer dulcimer, as well as tenor and alto vocals. 
Lorraine, with her husband Tom Espinola, have formed their own
recording label which may make this cassette hard to find.  (I
have seen copies at the House of Musical Traditions in Takoma
Park, MD).  If you want anymore information about this cassette
album, you can write to:
Creative Life Records, Route 1, Box 937, Washington, VA 22747.
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ballad of the Female Bandit
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:08:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr15.000804.12586
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Apr14.183940.5098@cabezon.uucp> larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) writes:

>>you think this cold morning will do me some harm
>>One thing I desire it's between your legs
>>If you give me that it'll keep me warm
>>
>>So he jumped off his horse and she mounted it quick
>>Looking the rider straight in the face
>>Oh you took not my meaning you  
>
>    This is great!  Are there more verses, or a chorus or refrain?   Is it
>    available recorded by anyone?

Recorded, yes.  Available?  You might have to hunt a little.  Oak, Ash and 
Thorn, a wonderful Californinan quartet, recorded it under the title of "The
Crafty Maid's Policy", along with several other great a capella songs.  Sorry
I can't recall the name of the album - Jon, can you help me on this?
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: L.Ronstad & A.Neville
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:43:13 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1AC85F19RG@treff.zer.de>, voyager@treff.zer.de (Roland Gorisch) writes...

} I would like to know if Linda Ronstad and Aaron Neville ever did an Album
} together. I have come across two very impressive singles ('Don't know much'
} and another one...I haveforgotten the title)

} The combination of two marvellous voices should be worth a Cd. Is
} there anything availabe?

Not a whole album. Neville does some singing on Ronstadt's album CRY LIKE
A RAINSTORM -- HOWL LIKE THE WIND, though.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: gt2641c@prism.gatech.EDU (Gordon Partridge Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Burke
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:15:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

First things first: sorry for getting vehement about the Burke/
Peoples debate.  I still think that _both_ are consummate
players; each in his own style, both of which transcend their
respective regional styles.  It's sort of a matter of mood. To
get this going on a slightly different tack, has anyone out
there in netland besides me heard Tommy and his daughter,
Siobhan, play together?  Wow!  She sounds just like he did
fifteen years ago, while his playing has mellowed nicely (thank
God; you'd die of exhaustion listening to it otherwise).
Comments?
Second point, I am Bruce Baker and go to a Clemson University,
a school which allows only a priveleged few access to these
newsgroups.  My friend Gordon Smith at Georgia Tech pipes me this
stuff through e-mail, and I read & respond.  Sorry for the
confusion.
Bruce Baker
Clemson University
bbaker@clemson.edu

-- 
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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Linda Healy?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:43:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zabriskie.berkeley.edu

I heard a song on the radio yesterday by a Welsh singer,
Linda Healy.   Any information on her, on her recordings etc.,
would be appreciated -- this one exposure was enough to
get me interested!

thanks,

steve
From: fiddle@midiline.la.ca.us (frank hoppe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Shape Note Singing
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:55:45 PDT
Distribution: all
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

Hey! Are there any shape note singers out there? If so, have you gone to 
any special conventions lately? Have you fallen in love with any 
particular tune lately? Come across any tapes for sale? Do you sing from 
The Sacred Harp, Denson Revision? Cooper book? New Harp of Columbia? 
Social Harp? Enough questions? I think so, too.

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