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From: mblum@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cerebus)
Subject: Sherlock Holmes & Spock (was Re: Star Trek VI...)
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:55:34 GMT

Have you people nothing better to do than to argue about something so
incredibly *obvious*????

That is a *direct* quote from Sherlock Holmes.  It is one of the famous
Holmes quotes (along with "The game's afoot," which Doyle actually
took from Shakespeare, "Elementary, my dear Watson," which Holmes
never said, and others).  Of course the writers of STVI knew the quote
was from Holmes, and, more to the point, *they knew that most of the
people in the audience would, too*!!!  That is why they had Spock say
that, and I would be very, very, very surprised if it were for any
other reason.

Now, if you want to rationalize why Spock said it in terms of Spock as
a real, live Vulcan, as opposed to Spock the character, it isn't too
difficult.  Spock, as well read as he obviously is in Earth's
literature, must have read the Holmes stories.  Not only are the stories
considered to be some of the best mysteries ever written, but Spock
would have had special reason to read them, because he values logic so
highly, and so does Holmes.  He was therefore either joking (which
Spock has been known to do much more often than he'd admit) or simply
alluding to Holmes as an ancestor of his because it was kind of
symbolic.  Or, if you prefer, since I believe (though I'm not sure)
that Doyle had children, maybe Spock *is* a descendant of his.  Or, if
you prefer, we can say that Holmes was real and had an affair early in
life (for he surely never married or had an affair later in life--the
only woman he admired to any real degree was Irene Adler), and this
affair produced a child, and Spock is a descendant of Holmes's.

Now will you please stop posting about it?

-- Matt
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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect:  2 questions
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:49:13 GMT


In a previous article, runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) says:

>smargari@nmsu.edu (Susan Margarit) writes:
>
>>My husbands question:  How come on a ship of over 1000 persons, were
>>there only 5 couples "getting it on" (so to speak)? :)  :)  :)
>
>Well, the implication is that only a few conversations were passed
>through the distortion, not *all* the conversations.  On the other hand,
>they were only conversations and maybe the rest of the couples just
>didn't talk?  :-)

I am imagine Mr. Margarit is having one hell of a good laugh watching
everyone scurry to explain a casual remark.  I know I would be.
-- 

                        [currently under construction]
From: kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season 6 Transporter Accident
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:25:06 GMT
Organization: The Zymurgy Institute

Since DeForest Kelly has already appeared on TNG as not-Dr.-McCoy-but-an-
incredible-simulation, and Leonard Nimoy has already appeared as Spock, both
without any time-juggling tricks, why is it necessary to use time-tricks to
get Scottie into TNG timeline? Is his character older than the others?

(Of course, given Doohan's continuing expansion (If it's OK for the universe
it's OK for him too, I guess), they could make another trip back in time to
transport a whale.)

No worries,

Scooter corleone
The Once and Future English Major
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From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: Deep Space Nine Casting  
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:44:59 GMT

Has anyone heard of finalized DSN casting?  I don't mean rumors, I mean the
real thing.  Filming should start soon so I figure that casting should be
about done-- Help with truth...


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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Q and Guinan (was Re: Guinan's History)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:46:47 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Jul28.162932.12617@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, er@iscp (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>Q and the Borg are hardly in the same category.  Q has been shown to be, for
>all intents and purposes, omnipotent.  He'd scarcely have trouble with a foe
>that needs spaceships and weapons to fight.

Precisely so.  I think Q could manipulate the Borg even easier than he
does humans.

>Guinan's powers have never been clarified, but I certainly don't see her race
>as being in the same league as Q, either.

I'm not so sure.  The scene in "Q Who" where they meet would suggest that
Guinan has something with which to threaten Q.  It's also implied that
Q's omnipotence doesn't extend to her (recall that he appeals to Picard
to remove her from the ship -- if Q truely wanted her gone, and was able
to do so, I can't imagine that he would've hesitated a moment.

>Why Q doesn't simply make her
>disappear is another question.  Maybe Q stops short of actually killing
>people - has he ever done so on TNG episodes shown thus far?

He's never killed directly, although he's certainly influenced events in
such a way that people were almost certain to be killed, and then taken no
action to prevent it when they were (specifically, those killed in the Borg
attack on the Enterprise in "Q Who").

In any event, whether from lack of ability or interest, Q seems far more
interested in tormenting creatures than actually killing them (witness
his interaction with the Calamerain (sp?) in "Deja Q").

Perhaps the writers will choose to explore Q's personality further, or his
relationship to Guinan -- but given his last two outings (along with the
shallowness of many other recent episodes) suggest to me that the writers
are unwilling or unable to persue such a story line.

-- 
You unlock this door with the key of imagination.  Beyond it is another
dimension: a dimension if sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind.
You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas.
You've just crossed over into... the Twilight Zone.
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

do any of the men out there think that jennifer hetrick is worthy? i mean, if 
picard found her so....

[that's vash to you and me]

 sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
  "once i was the king of spain.......................now i eat humble pie. "
                               -- moxy fruvous
From: smithjd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:NG Actor Role
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:01:37 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

This may have already come up, but I think that Patrick Stewart played a
uptight restaurant owner in L.A. Story.

						Jason Smith
						SMITHJD@WKUVX1.BITNET 
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From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Where they go in TUC--SPOILER!
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:53:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.182612.11836@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.154732.5684@iscsvax.uni.edu>, althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> WARNING!!!!!  This entry contains a SPOILER in disguise!  If you haven't seen
>> STVI:TUC yet, don't spoil your fun by reading this!
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>> Okay, for everyone who has the courage to bypass the spoiler warning...I'm
>> sorry if you're disappointed, but this is really a question to satisfy my
>> curiosity.
>> 
>> Was it blatently obvious to *everyone* in the theatres that Kirk's last
>> "official" line in TUC is a direction for the heading "Second star on the
>> right...and straight on 'til morning."  This heading would take them, of
>> course, to the legendary home of Peter Pan--NeverNeverLand.
>> 
>> Observations?  Comments?  Is this a clue to the fate of the NC1701-A and her
>> crew?  What d'ya think?
>
>It means that Kirk was making a joke.
>
>In addition, it was a tip of the hat to the fans, saying that they wanted
>one final trip in this "NeverNeverland" that we call Star Trek, a land which
>is completely fantasy and where people don't overanalyze things.
>
I dunno. I seem to remember this quote from Star Trek II: The Original
Undiscovered Country :)

Seriously, it was in the novelization for Star Trek II, and I suppose
the director or writer wanted it to appear in Star Trek VI: The (REAL)
Undiscovered Country?
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Sir, I protest...I am NOT a merry man!"
>>                        --Lt. Worf
>>                              --Qpid
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- 
>Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
>"BOB Is Our Hope/Jesus is Our BOB/Jesus Is BOB Hope" - Anonymous SubGenius
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Other 24th Century TV Shows
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:53:29 GMT
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS

I forgot to mention that the story editor for the TV version of Logan's Run
was D.C. Fontana, sometime contributor to ST:TOS...


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From: wsthune@iastate.edu (Sir Pooh de Bear)
Subject: Re: Tardis
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:13:47 GMT

In <215820004@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith) writes:

>The TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimensions In Space) was the blue police box 
>that Dr Who used to travel around in, through time and space (the dimensions 
>bit comes from it being bigger inside than out).  Guinan hasn't been shown to
>have one, that was just speculation about her being a Time Lord like the 
>Doctor.

No, the Doctor's TARDIS *looked* like a blue police box.  If the chameleon
circuit functioned properly, the TARDIS would select a shape to blend into
the surroundings.

So if Guinan is a Time Lord, her TARDIS could well be the bar.

-- 
w scott thune
email wsthune@iastate.edu
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Obviously, Mr. Sandburg never heard a cat walk across a linoleum floor.
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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:22:43 GMT


In a previous article, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) says:

>>>     The Trekkies are an elite group, who are visionaries of future 
>>>technology. Star Trek IS NOT just another Hollywood movie as you put
>>>it. There are already lots of people who deride ST and call it a lot
>>>of sci-fi junk. I hate these jerks....and you seem to be one of them...
>>>...please refrain from posting to this newsgroup.
>>
>>Perhaps you should consider cross-posting this to alt.humor.
>>Great stuff!  Do you write this yourself or you do have a
>>professional do it for you?
>
>As a Visionary of the Future, I strongly resent your comments!  Clearly,
>you are not Of the Body.  You must be expunged.

Hee hee hee !!  This is fun!
-- 

                        [currently under construction]
From: keith@csc.liv.ac.uk (Keith Halewood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: President of Federation in TUC
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:59:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <Hw3ooB1w164w@jaflrn.UUCP>, scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP (Scott Gorcey) writes: 
>      Who said he was a Deltan?  Nobody on-screen, that's for sure.
>      The President's race was first seen in Star Trek IV - the
>      Navigator of the USS Saratoga was one of them.

I got the impression that the president was Centauran. Of course this would then
conflict with TOS where Zephram Cochrane was portrayed as human.

Keith
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where they go in TUC--SPOILER!
Keywords: peter pans a fairy
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:17:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <63951@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.030902.27480@engr.latech.edu> bronson@engr.latech.edu (Patrick K. Bronson) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul20.154732.5684@iscsvax.uni.edu> althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>WARNING!!!!!  This entry contains a SPOILER in disguise!  If you haven't seen
>>>STVI:TUC yet, don't spoil your fun by reading this!
>
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>>>Okay, for everyone who has the courage to bypass the spoiler warning...I'm
>>>sorry if you're disappointed, but this is really a question to satisfy my
>>>curiosity.
>
>>>Was it blatently obvious to *everyone* in the theatres that Kirk's last
>>>"official" line in TUC is a direction for the heading "Second star on the
>>>right...and straight on 'til morning."  This heading would take them, of
>>>course, to the legendary home of Peter Pan--NeverNeverLand.
>
>>>Observations?  Comments?  Is this a clue to the fate of the NC1701-A and her
>>>crew?  What d'ya think?
>
>>I thought it was awfully coincidental that Peter Pan came out about a week
>>before (or was it after?) STVI.  It was sorta cute, but a clue....naaah!
>
>Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was because of the fact that they're
>all getting so old. :-)  Seriously, in STII:TWoK, Kirk talks about feeling
>old.  He must be feeling even older by now!  And in Never Never Land, no
>one grows old.
>
>Or, maybe I'm just reading waaaay to much into it. :-)
>Jorge Diaz                       | "You're outmanned, you're outgunned, you're

In Never Never Land, the point is not that one doesn't grow old, but that
little *boys* never have to grow up.  :-)

Elvira
From: gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Cause & Effect (*SPOILERS*) possible explaination
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:10:03 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

Alright, time for my two cents worth on this episode:

In article <27JUL199215260938@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>, smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:

> The Boseman was flying around happily and got sucked into a time 
> vortex ala Yesterday's Enterprise.  That explains why no one
> has seen it for x number of years.  The Big-E comes along, 
> discovers a distrubance (namely the other side of the time warp)
> and the Boseman comes flying out

There is no indication one way or the other as to how the Boseman got into the
loop.  I don't like the idea of the Boseman getting to the 24th century via a
temporal rift:  what caused the rift.  In "Yesterday's Enterprise", the E-C
is sent back by the force of the hits she takes from the Romulan ships
attacking her.  IMHO, the Boseman probably got caught in acausality loop that
was already local to the region of space they were moving through, and they
were physically in the loop for the whole 80+ years.  On their nth time
through, which happened to coincide with the E's arrival at the loop, the two
ships collide and destroy each other.  There is no clear indication whether the
loop ends at the collision or continues for some unspecified time after - all
we know is that the E is time-shifted back m hours.
 
> Now for the Boseman, they are in limbo when the loop starts, since
> they are still in transit thru the time warp.  Therefore, any of the
> Decyon waves that would cause visions of deja vu would not
> reach them, and the crew would not realize anything different.  Therefore,
> they spend what seems to be no time at all throughtout the cycle, but
> in reality x years (in the time warp) and 17 days (in the time loop).
> 

Finally, about the Dechyon waves:  a simple explanation would be that Dechyon
wave were not discovered in the 23rd century.  If you don't know they exist,
its pretty hard to detect them.  Thus the crew on the Boseman my have been
getting feelings of deja vu, but couldn't make the connection between their
feelings and their situation

Just my humble opinion, anyways...

-- 
Gabor Brach.        "We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill
Victoria, B. C.      We come in peace, shoot to kill, men."
(Lotus-land)                     _Star Trekking_
                                    The Firm
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:NG Actor Role
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:41:49 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

smithjd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

> This may have already come up, but I think that Patrick Stewart played a
> uptight restaurant owner in L.A. Story.
> 
> 						Jason Smith
> 						SMITHJD@WKUVX1.BITNET 

I also saw him playing the stableman in a remake of "Little Lord 
Faunteroy."

Dascoser
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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Vulcans on ST:TNG
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:51:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.152448.15180@tamsun.tamu.edu> joses@cs.tamu.edu (Batman the Destroyer) writes:
>
>Has anybody noticed that Vulcans are not as prevalent in ST:TNG as
>in ST:TOS?
>Out of all the episodes of ST:TNG, only the Unification I & II and
>the episode when Sarek make the crew act weird have Vulcans on them.
>

    Bzzzzzzttt!!  Thanks for playing.  ;-)

    There is a first season episode where the woman who went on to play
    Special Emissary K'lar (sp?) plays a Vulcan MD.  Was that Dr. Selar?
    
    In the episode where Wesley takes the Academy entrance exams, one of 
    the other prospective students was a Vulcan.

    Also in _Data's Day_ a Romulan spy masquerades as a Vulcan ambassador. 
    However, maybe that one shouldn't count?

    Are there other episodes?

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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From: gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:11:11 GMT
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <70588@apple.Apple.COM>, stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> 
>>As a Visionary of the Future, I strongly resent your comments!  Clearly,
>>you are not Of the Body.  You must be expunged.
> 
> Resistance is useless.

Resistance is >FUTILE<! B-{)

You *will* be assimilated....    ;-{)

-- 
Gabor Brach.        "We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill
Victoria, B. C.      We come in peace, shoot to kill, men."
(Lotus-land)                     _Star Trekking_
                                    The Firm
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From: johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Witt Johnson)
Subject: Re: cloaking device
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:41:30 GMT

In article #10571, deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes:

>there's so much more to cloak).  The Romulans and the Klingons have smaller
>warships, so they can afford the extra power which the larger scientific
>vessels of the Federation can't produce, at least not with any efficiency.

I wouldn't want to be around when your average Romulan captain heard you call
his Warbird "small." Sort of like calling the Grand Canyon "adequate."

Hugh Johnson
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Troy, New York, unfortunately.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf!  I knew him, Horatio.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:28:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <3890@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>In article <14705@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
[about characters who "just disappear" and are forgotten about by writers]

>> Why not?  After all, they're doing it for Sela...  :-)

>OK. I'll bite.  Who's Sela?  (Sarek's Wife?)

My point exactly.  :-)

Sela was the mysterious blonde Romulan played by Denise Crosby in four
episodes (up to "Unification II").  The producers have mentioned that there
won't be any more stories featuring her, probably because they realized
how insanely inane the story behind Sela's origin was.

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From: mrjg8679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R James)
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:29:19 GMT

sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE) writes:

>In article <0eRd_Dy00UhW01K_AA@andrew.cmu.edu>, Bryan Michael Kearney <bk1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Yes, Troi is a Lt. Commander, but she is (most probably) in the Medical
>Corps, and therefore not in the chain of command (events in Disaster
>notwithstanding).  The only female characters in the chain of command
>on the Enterprise we have seen have been (in chronological order)

>1)  Number One, first officer under Captain Pike
>2)  Rachel Garrett, captain of 1701-C

Boy was I pissed when they killed off Cpt. Garret in YE.
Completely unnecessary (at that point), I thought.
I think that the big E is ready for a female captain.
Maybe Garret had a daughter?   :\)

>               Lorna Payne


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 Michael James       mrjg8679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 

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