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From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:51:57 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan26.175236.27851@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) writes:
>
>	Indeed, the biggest problem is that there is so little regard
>to intellectual property in Korea.  Piracy of books, softwares, video
>tapes, albums used to be pretty much the standard until about couple of
>years ago.  The government had to crack down on the pirates after the
>American government put pressure on them.  Educating the general public
>about the importance of intellectual property, however, still needs to be
>done more, both in terms of quantity and quality.
>

While the above is current situation in Korea,
it is not so bad as we might think.
I once saw an article in a magazine, which investigated how software
produced in in USA is pirated by major (convict ?) countries, and  there 
were many countries which ranked before Korea.  
Surprising thing was that it included 
developed countries like Switzland, German, etc.   
Hongkong was #1, Switzland was #2,
... I don't remember the position of Korea. But I think that it was just
before Japan.

Most victim was Microsoft.
And the investigators were amazed by the quality of the illegal copies
made in Taiwan.  They even copied the "Gold Seal" stuff on the box and
diskettes, and they could not identify which one is the orinal copy.

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From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:13:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.175236.27851@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) writes:
>	Indeed, the biggest problem is that there is so little regard
>to intellectual property in Korea.  Piracy of books, softwares, video
>tapes, albums used to be pretty much the standard until about couple of
>years ago.  The government had to crack down on the pirates after the
>American government put pressure on them.  Educating the general public
>about the importance of intellectual property, however, still needs to be
>done more, both in terms of quantity and quality.
>

Education of the general public is important and everything, but Korea just
lacked clear policies in regarding to these "intellectual properties".
Song about social problems were banned, whereas copying was allowed.  Talking
about wasted effort, eh?

I think computer software market in US is a good example how public
awareness evolves.  Software was a relatively new thing, and copying was
pretty common here too.  People began to realize, however, there are
certain benefits in buying softwares because of the services companies
provides such as customer service, better documentation, easier upgrade,
etc.  With the lower price from competitive market, copying software is not
such a big problem as software companies had bragged about before.  Well,
of course, US has a better defined law about intellectual properties, but
it still is an area they can use some improvement too.

Andy Kim

PS. I should have asked you this before you went to Korea. :(
    Do you know about the availability of data about Korean professional
    baseball?  Jays fan, Brian?
From: jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca (Jinki Jung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: hangja font for iyagi and/or vada
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:33:32 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: hangul, hanja, iyagi, vada


	I am using iyagi4.3. It came to me without hanja font.
	I want to get it and hanja font for vada if available.
	What is most recent version of vada ?
	Comment will be welcommed.

Jinki Jung (jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Can you really study with 4 hours of sleep?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:16:00 GMT

In article <C18q8K.17Gp@austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>That's it, Jimbo.
>
>That is the way that keeps the south Koreans competitive in this
>fierce competition of knowledge.

Welcome back, Mr. Ter Yuan Lee.  Nice try, but my question was "can you
function and actually learn with 4 hours of sleep."

>Too bad, it's like you have never gone through the south Korean
>military training. :)

It is nice to see your usual irrelevance again.  However, I am really
curious to know the answer to my original questions.  Unless you studied
for college entrance test in Korea, you cannot answer my second question.
But if you have an experience in sustained 4-hour-sleep regime, I would
like to hear about it.

> = The opinions are my own, not my employer's.  Ty Lee                       =

James Choi
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: education system
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

>The test can be made to evaluate
>the creativeness or rote memory or whatever the writer of test
>desires.  

Many people seem to believe that Asian students just memorize everything 
unlike American students who are very creative and understand something.
But is that so?
I read an article (I guess it was in 'Scientific America, but I'm not
quite sure. If you really want to know, I may be able to find it again)
which argue against above mythical conception.
Very complex and complicated problems were given to students in two regions
(Asia and America) and tried to find out HOW they solve those
complex problems.
The highest intellectual way of solving those problems is, they said,
to disintegrate the complex problems into small handlable units and
reintegrate them (brain's associative function , which is 
a mother of creativity). 
Suprisingly (?), twice more Asian students solve those complex problems 
that way (Of course, Asian students solved more). From this study,
authors concluded that Asian students use the higer cognitive function
(associative method) better to solve the problem.
So I think that accusing Asian education system as rote memorization
is BASELESS.

Giltsu Choi. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Subject: Re: education system
Reply-To: kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:58:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.231416.29700@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1jkmnqINNp1p@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>[...]
>>When can Korean high school students get off from 
>>                Pass-college-enterance-exam-or-die War ?
>
>The answer is rather obvious and simple.
>When the demand exceeds the supply.

oh, is it so obvious and simple, james? :)

nancy kwak
kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Liberalized Rules for Koreans Studying Abroad
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:26:50 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <106389@netnews.upenn.edu> ipark@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (11154/21149/3xxxx) writes:
>
>
>First:
>	A lot of people think that students who are studying abroad
>are there because they couldn't get into one of the better colleges in
>Korea.  .....
>Secondly:
>	Another generalization that people make is that they assume
>the families who are sending the kids over to USA must be rich.....

If I correctly understood the original Mr. Hwang's article,
I do not think that he really meant any of the obove things.

While I totally agree with Mr. Park's opinion (Korean international students
should not be generalized as above), we can see Korean students
with above properties very often.  I am not sure whether such students
may be blamed.
Anyway, it's their (in fact, their parents') money that they are spending, 
and Korea is not able to provide appropriate education for them.

Unlike old times, I think that nowadays Korean students come to USA for
various reasons.  There's nothing to be proud of or nothing to be ashamed of.
We are just studying in different places.
(Of course, if you are in prestigeous universities in USA, you must be
 very proud of it).


>	I already feel guilty about using up all my family's financial
>resources, and I don't think a tax will make the situation any better.
>I admit that my family would be classified as the upper middle class,
>but we're barely affording my education here.  (I expect to go through
>my graduate studies on fellowships). 

I really wish you a good luck !

>A tax will make it impossible
>for me to finish my studies here.  In cases like mine, I expect that
>it would do more hurt than good to impose a tax.

The American education system was built by American tax payers
(I once read that only 30% of the money needed for the university is
   supported by students' fees.  Others come from state tax or donations).
Since I or my parents have never paid for it,  I don't think that it is
reasonable to ask such tax exemption.

BTW, Korea and USA has a Tax rule : for 2 or 5 years (? I am not sure),
you don't pay tax in USA, if you get money from the university
as a TA or RA-ship.
Even though you pay tax, if the total income is low, you will receive
tax return ( maybe not. I am not sure.  Could anyone confirm ?).


>        ipark@be.seas.upenn.edu


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|  |   |        |  Dept. of Computer Science   / |     ||O   My wife  was born
\  |---|  |--|  |  University of Houston      `  ||'---||    in Cow year. Mooo
 \____/|__|  |__| _______________________________^^    ^^_____________________


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Good bye, until.... (was: I'm back!) 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:47:11 GMT

In article <tc13.727914684@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> tc13@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (T. H. Brian Chung) writes:
>Greetings, my fellow grade and wage slaves.  I'm finally back from beautiful
>Seoul.  

Now that Brian Chung is back I can safely leave.  It has been fun, my dear
fellow ladies and gentlemen of sck.  I have decided to attend my real life
and join the s.c.k. anonymous to break the addiction of posting to sck
twice a day.

Preceeding message was brought to people who will post something expecting
me to respond. (my pattern has become rather predictable, and most of my
postings are re-runs.)  So, if you feel like flaming me, please e-mail me
for some biting remarks.  :)

Until either I have more time, or I have a relapse.

James Choi
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Software copyrights
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:22:20 GMT
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan27.034617.18127@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) writes:
>	First of all, I don't believe in a degree of protection.  You
>either protect one's intellectual property, or you don't.  For example,
>if you are writing a book, it should be illegal whether you copy one
>page, one chapter or the whole book.  

You do need a clear definition, though.  Any sane copier will make the work
look like their own, and it's not that easy to prove whether it's a copy or
not, even with the strict copyright laws.  

There also is a question that how much copying should be considered copying.
You cannot consider every song that contains "C chord" copying, right?  It
is relatively well-defined in literatures, music, etc, but there are some
gray areas in software copyright, even in US.  That's why we are seeing
more of these "Look-and-Feel" lawsuits by Lotus, Microsoft, Apple etc.

>-- 
>T. H. Brian Chung               | Happiness is...
>jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu      | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
>jfe@cornella.bitnet             | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A
>CESR10::THC                     | Ithaca, NY 14850

Andy Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jshin@cs.yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: hanterm
Organization: Yale Univ. Science & Engineering Computing Facility, New Haven, CT 06520
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:05:37 GMT

Zhong Wu (wuz@sun.soe.clarkson.edu) wrote:
: Hi everyone:

: I installed hanterm in my mechine sun.os4.1.1. I can view Korean with
: more, but I cann't input Korean. As I know, hanterm is capable of
: input hanterm. Is there anyone could tell me what is the problem?

   You have to execute 'stty -pass8' or equivalent to enter Hangul under
Hanterm. This problem is exactly what I experienced when I installed Hanterm
for the first time. 

: I am also insterested in Korean latex. Where could I find it?

   Hangul LaTeX is available from Kum.kaist.ac.kr. or cair.kaist.ac.kr. via
anonymous FTP. I've used it and found it very useful. 

: Thank you!

: -Zhong

   Jungshik Shin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:27:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.020121.25721@news.cs.brandeis.edu> 
   tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>       wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
> > I don't know how they teach Music now in Korea.
> Noraebang takes care of it very well.
> Giltsu Choi.

One thing that amazes me is that for a culture which forces 
every living soul attending any gathering to sing, that there
exists sizable population of 'Eum-Chi's.  I would hazard to
guess that general level of artistry of Korean public may
be lower than here in US.  Maybe it is just that sample size
is smaller in Korea.  But, listening to the participants of
"Jun-Gook No-Lae Ja-Rang", I would guess that existence of
all these 'noraebang' really do not help much :)

It is funny, that recently I heard that there are over 100
NoRaeBang's in LA area alone.  Here in Chicago it has just started
to bloom in numbers.  At cost of 25$+ per hour, and exorbitant
price for drink (No alcholic beverages) and food, it maybe a
good venture if one gets in to business early enough.  Apparantly,
this type of facility is big hit with high school kids here in
states...
From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Old Rabbit Song
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:21:36 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

rwb@spl1.spl.loral.com (Robert W Bridges) writes:
> When I was in Korea many years ago a little boy taught me a song the was said
> to be the Old Rabbit Song ( excuse the spelling:  San Toky toky ya).  Could someone mail me a copy of the song to the best of your ability so I can sound
> out the song in Korean and then the English translation to the song.  I'm trying
> to teach the song to my kids and they asked for the translation.  I can only remember part of the song and I want them to say the works correctly as they sing it.  They are very excited about what they have learned already.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Bob

Ok. Here you go:

San Toky toky ya         (Calling rabbit)  San = mountain
                                           Toky = rabbit 
                                           -ya  = (a way to call someone
                                                   who is likely friends)
Uh dee roh gah nu nyah?    Where are you going?

GGang chong  GGang chong   (Hopping sound in Korean)

DDwe Myun suh              Where are you hopping to?
Uh dee roh gah nu nyah?


Note. GG is very hard to pronounce for english native speakers. 
      You probably make sound like "K~". It should be sounded as
      letter G sound with pulling little forward your jaw. 

Hope you like my instantaneous and buggy version of San Toky with your children..



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From: cyoon@utdallas.edu (CHANG K YOON)
Subject: Hangul for MSDOS
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:07:12 GMT

Hi.  Does anyone know where I can find a Korean word processor for MS-DOS?
Public Domain and Shareware is what I'm looking for, but I will also consider
commercial.  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Liberalized Rules for Koreans Studying Abroad
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:33:38 GMT

(dear s.c.k. readers: Please trim your quotes to minimum.  I usually press
'n' when no new material appears by the second page.  I am sure it is true
for many.)

In article <1993Jan22.211108.14060@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ahwg@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Andrew Hwang) writes:
[...]
>However, I'm sure there are still many qualified people who cannot afford to
>study abroad. I'm talking about people who have done well in good colleges
>and can benefit greatly from graduate studies abroad. How about setting
>a tax scheme to help such people? 

I thought about your suggestion, and reversed the situation to see how I
feel about it (that's how I judge if something if fair or not).  I did not
like it.

I have no formal training or proven talent in music.  But suppose I decided
to study it for my own personal enjoyment and "growth."  So, I start taking
lessons, or taking classes out of my own pocket.  Then someone comes to me
and says

"There are true musicians who should be taking these classes but cannot
affored to.  Therefore, we need to tax you."

"Excuse me.  I am spending my money to learn something I love.  Why should
I be taxed?  The tuition is driving me close to bankrupcy already, I do not
need tax."

"That is a very selfish view, Mr. Choi.  You are taking resource from true
musicians.  It may be true that you are not well-off.  But these musicians
are even worse off.

"I do not give a flying f*** how poor these musicians are, and even who
they are.  By the way, how do you decide who is "true" musicians and who
are not?  Why can't I be one of those musicians who are reconigzed after
their death?"

"The 'truthness' of a musician is determined by your age, the school you
graduated from, the grades you got, your social status, and some other
obscure rules.  We have already determined that you are no musician.
Therefore, you shall never be.  So pay you tax, or quit studying."

"Hell, I cannot afford to pay tax you are talking about.  You are forcing
me to quit.  Now, tell me for whom I am giving up my dreams?  For
the uniformity of the culture?"

"Now that you have given up your classes, you are no longer taxable.  As
for the benficiaries, don't ask me.  It is the law, and I just enforce it.
I only work here.  Next time, have a dream in a field that has no tax."

>Andrew Hwang

James Choi
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Corporal punishments & wife beating...
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:47:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:

>I have a better solution.... 
>There is a very sparsly populated tract of land in 
>Amazon jungle, in Brazile.   Why don't you and like
>minded females go there and form a new nation that is
>without prejudice, social classes, no avarice, etc...

This sounds much like what the white said to the black in the past in
America. If you, the black, have problems with what the white do, go
back to Africa in which no discrimination exists for the black.

>You can create an Utopia there.  Then after you have
>created such a perfect government, come back and enlighten
>rest of us mortals how the society should be setup :)

Instead, what did they do? They fought fiercely against the ignorance
and prejudice of the white. Now what's happening? People of all colors
in this country try not to discriminate against race, sex and color.
If those who felt they are treated unfairly have not standed up
against it by themselves, no progress would have made. A few people
like Martin Luther King taught a very important lesson that if one can
change a world around with the help of others in the same situation.
This is my solution. And what you said about Utopia is like because
you can't get a good score on a math exam, you ask someone else to
take it for you to get a better score. If You want it, you work for
it. If you don't want it, just watch what courageous people achieve.
  

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

>I am still in listening mode... 

I hope you understand what I am trying to tell you here. If not, I
don't know how to put it so that you can get my point. 

Jung
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:43:50 GMT

In article <2291@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>According to a time magazine ( I think )
>American parents think that their children study enough.
>  But we see how poorly american students do compared to the world.
>Asian parents think their children don't study enough.
> And look how well the kids do.
>
>Of course the attitude of their parents make a BIG
>difference in how well the students are prepared 
>for their tests.
>- jon

Thus, if we could only get American parents to change their mind
that their kids do not study long enough and such, the educational
system in America will be improved? :)

Anytime one has standardized test, the problem that arise is
how fair was the test itself.  (I think there was allegation
that some of the participant of test in Korea was coached
prior to test.  This is from my memory; I would welcome
verification either way.)   The test can be made to evaluate
the creativeness or rote memory or whatever the writer of test
desires.  

ANDrewKIM
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