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From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: New Stories by Joyce
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:22:51 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


  [From the article "7 Stories by Joyce Discovered", in the Sunday Boston 
  Globe, 4OCT92.]

  Reuters

  LONDON -- An Irish scholar has found a manuscript written by James Joyce
  in 1923 and abandoned by him a year later, a British newspaper reported
  yesterday.

  Danis Rose found the texts of seven short stories as he worked on the
  Irish author's papers while researching material for a critical edition
  of Joyce's "Finnegan's[sic] Wake" the Guardian stated.  [...]

  Rose, who has been sifting through Joyce's papers for 16 years, found
  that the author began a collection of stories called "Finn's Hotel"
  between writing "Ulysses" and "Finnegan's[sic] Wake".

  Unlike "Ulysses" and "Finnegan's[sic] Wake", the new manuscript is clear
  in style.  "It's lucid," Rose said, "That's very unusual."

  The stories are to be published in March, the Guardian stated.

[As a footnote: In Ellman's biography, while responding to an interviewer's
query about what he planned to write now that he had finished with FW,
Joyce is reported to have said he was planning to write "something short
and simple".  Perhaps this is related.  On the other hand JJ may have
simply been making an understandable and off-handed remark in light of the
exhaustion brought on by the finishing of FW in a period in which he also
dealing with Lucia's madness and the European build-up to World War Two.]
From: peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Kafka's "Metamorphasis"
Date: 2 Oct 1992 18:15:31 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct1.155609.19271@gtephx.UUCP> meredithd@gtephx.UUCP (Douglas Meredith) writes:
>
>I read Kafka's "Metamorphasis" last night.  This is the first of Kafka's
>writing that I have read and I'm not sure what to make of it.  I found the
>story very dark in mood....

>My first interpretation was that the story was an allegory for the alienation
>a person might go through upon contracting some terminal, socially tabu disease.
>However, on further reflection, this seemed a little trite.  Is there something
>more going on here that I'm just too allegorically dense to see?  Are there
>Cliffs Notes available for Kafka? (just kidding!)
>
I read The Metamorphosis for a psychology in literature course I took here
at Cal. I really enjoyed the story, because it was entertaining and fun. I
wrote an essay on the story, focusing on the concept of self-identity (which
is a redundant sounding term, but more appropriate than just identity...).
Anyway, I took the story literally, that the man had turned into a bug. This
didn't sit well with my psychologically-minded reader, who believed that the
bug idea all happened in his mind, and that I was wrong to have taken it
literally (she even graded me down for my interpretation! However, I did 
convince her that she was being unreasonable about that). I don't really
think there was *more* going on than what was visible... I think people tend
to get too analytical, to deep in their exigesis, and forget that many 
people (even the _great writers_) write stories for entertainment. However
you take it, _Metamorphosis_ is a very good story. And I still believe that
he really turned into a bug (too many clues suggest it).

--Peter M.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni)
Subject: Re: Damned lit yokels
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:02:16 GMT

james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock) writes:
> My associate James Brock (a fine writer, I must say, none of this 
> awful brand name, trademark, angst-ridden bullshit in his words)
> is loaning me this e-mail thing, and I am a novice to this type of
> modern communication tool, so give me quarter.
>
> Now, what I want to say is this: you people should quit trying to 
> sound so intelligent and really read something. All this talk about
> books to avoid and best editions of some encyclopaedia. For
> F*ck's sake, loosen up.
>
> Have any of you read my works? (Does Seymour Glass ring a bell?)
> I must admit: I am a bit intrigued by this new technology. Imagine, I
> can communicate from my little shed, here in N.H., to the entire world!
>

    Oddly, this article kick-starts that little section of my brain where
    quotes I try to remember run to hide, or - more often - go to die, 
    but this one has survived (or risen) (or something) and remains, 
    hopefully intact and (more or less) as follows:
    
      "If there is an amateur reader still left in the world - 
       or anyone who just reads and runs - I ask him or her, with 
       untellable affection and gratitude, to split the dedication 
       of this book four ways with my wife and children." 


    See more glass ?


--
                                                         vince@gda.cadence.com

    "It doesn't have to be terribly prolific !"
        - Esme
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: the Novel of Ideas-- is it a good Idea?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:37:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.214016.7995@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:

>So, naturally, I had high hopes when I heard on the BBC Late Show that
>Pynchon (remember him, hippie dude, engineer, etc. ) had written a _new_
>novel.  I rushed out to buy _Vineland_ hot off the presses.  You can
>imagine my dissappointment.  I don't think I got to page 20 before I
>threw the book accross the room.  And to think I blew $30 on the junk!
>Books are expensive in Finland because of an infernally high VAT.

I'm sorry you didn't get past page 20 of VINELAND. I note that a lot of
people say the same about GRAVITY'S RAINBOW. The scope of VINELAND is far
narrower than the scope of GR or V; but the book is surer and truer. It is
hard for an American of a certain age to read VINELAND without feeling a
certain simultaneous exhilaration and nausea of recognition--Pynchon
understands perfectly how the hippies of the '60s betrayed themselves.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
From: patricka@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Patrick Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Dashiell Hammett
Keywords: Red Harvest
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:50:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


In Red Harvest, the character Dan Rolff is referred to as a "lunger".
What does this mean?
 
Love,
Xenu
 
"Ronald Reagan: a triumph of the embalmer's art." - Gore Vidal
From: nmlrc@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: RE: Fictitious Fiction
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:04:24 GMT
 <92274.111730U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> <1afplpINN8k6@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Oct2.221046.19728@yang.earlham.edu>
Organization: University of Winnipeg

What about _The Face on the Cutting Room Floor_?  A very bizzare
novel in the which the author own existence is questionable.  I
can't remember who wrote it but it does call into question
many of the assumptions we make about plot, characterization
and authority (re the author).  If it was written when
they say it was (1930's) it is way ahead of its time.  I have
a sneaking suspecision it was one large hoax.  Has any read it?
Or know anything about it?
Miriam
From: Paul Schroeder
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Peter Smith Publisher, Inc.
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:01:29 GMT
Organization: BNR

Recently, I purchased a copy of Richard Hughes' novel _In Hazard_ from Peter
Smith Publisher, Inc.  In their catalogue, Peter Smith is described as a small,
customer-oriented reprint publisher (somewhat like Dover though not as varied
in their categories) specializing in hardback reprints of out-of-print or
paperback-only titles of books which have, in their words, "stood the test of
time".  In addition to their almost exclusive hardback offerings, the
interesting thing about the publisher is their soliciting of requests for
additions to their catalogue.  They claim to do their best to honor these
requests.  I'm now in the process of compiling my request list of books for
publication.

I paid $11.75 (plus about $1.30 postage) for _In Hazard_, and found the quality
of the book and service from Peter Smith to be very good indeed.  The book was
nicely bound in a high-quality (though plain w/o dust-jacket) hardback cover
with fine-quality paper, and was clearly a reprint of the original Harper & Row
edition.

It would be interesting to read of any other experiences in dealing with Peter
Smith.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Exit Shakespeare....
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:09:17 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) wrote:
> For the historians out there: Who, for that matter, was Shakespeare's
> Shakespeare?  Homer?  Virgil?  (Surely not, say, Chaucer.)

I don't think he had one - his plays derive from English folk traditions in
theatre and on the new writing from the previous generation in Italy.  Not
only does he show no sign of ever reading Chaucer, he also appears totally
ignorant of the Middle English lyric, of the mediaeval religious drama, and
seems to have had no idea that Old English even existed.  Some of the more
sensational bits of Homer and Roman history make an appearance but nothing
hints at his knowing Greek drama or ever having read the Bible; he did know
a lot about syphilis, though.

So it would seem that to produce another Shakespeare today you should
create a parallel cultural environment: raise kids on a diet of rock
lyrics, Japanese manga in bad translations, Cliff's Notes summaries of
ancient history, fantasy-novel rewites of classical myth, and ghoulish
accounts of the horrors of AIDS.

Things look promising.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Don DeLillo scores
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam (fan)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:08:10 GMT

Probably everyone to whom it's really important has already
heard, but I gotta say it: DeLillo has a winner of a story
in the October issue of _Harper's_.

Words like crapulous, tumbril, homburg.  Doin' a jape.
216 raised red cotton stitches.  Creaturely night shrieks.
Indian burn.  Brueghel's deaths, featured in _Life_, as seen
by the portly G-man himself.

This isn't DeLillo of the painfully self-conscious intellectuals
addressing gravid cryptic pronouncements to each other.  This is
DeLillo lyrical.  Unabashedly lyrical.  Imagery fu.  Fiona Bob
says check it out.

						--fw
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: literature students
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:45:18 GMT



Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
 
> Screw credit. Screw the post-secondary system. Why would you want to
> suck a lot of good radical writers into becoming counters in the whole
> stupid game? How many credits is James Baldwin worth toward a tenure-track
> job? Or is he safely dead enough to be embalmed in somebody's syllabus?
 
Barclay can certainly read these authors even if they are not offered
for credit.  But what some of us remember from her thoughts in the
Literary Canon discussions is that she also wants to be able to TEACH
these authors.  That is hard to do if they can't be read for credit.
 
> "In my day we read Joyce *against* our professors," he observed, and
> it was almost the only thing I recall from his course 30 years later.
 
Was Joyce REALLY not taught in 1962?  I know that there were Joyce
courses at Villanova a mere 8 years later.  And Villanova was a good
10-20 years behind the times in nearly EVERYTHING.  
 
Mark
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Request: worthwhile bios of JFK and RFK
Keywords: Kennedy biography JFK RFK
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:43:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep26.232109.27003@u.washington.edu>, twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
> In article <12491@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <BuzK7H.CLr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wade@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (S.Wade) writes:
# ##   Can someone recommend worthwhile biographies of
# ##   John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy? 
# ## 
# ##   I want to avoid the fawning bios that view them as
# ##   flawless heroes.  I also want to avoid the books
# ##   that are just scandal rags.  Are there any
# ##   books about them that stand out above the rest?
# #
# #Any biography of JFK that isn't a "scandal rag" isn't a worthwhile
# #biography of him.
# 
# That's a crude and stupid dismissal of any complex human being, 
# much less one who has had such an impact on world history. 
# 
# --Barbara 

If you write a biography of a person of low personal morals, and
leave out those little details, it makes it a lot harder to under-
stand the absurd actions he took that "had such an impact on
world history."  The great arms race, just recently concluded,
was a rather direct result of Kennedy's insistence on building
the 1000 missle Minuteman fleet, which provoked the Soviet
buildup of strategic missles.

Think about the wealth that was wasted just so that Kennedy
wouldn't have to admit that Nixon was right about the "missle
gap."


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Bush: War on Drugs, tax cut->bigger deficit.  Clinton: War on Drugs, spending
increase->bigger deficit.  What a great choice.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:50:47 GMT

In article <JMC.92Sep29215840@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>It seems to me evasive to call an author conceited.  Avoids
>mentioning anything in particular.
>
>I have only got through two chapters of Sexual Personae so far.  There
>is indeed a lot of flat assertion, and I put her assertions into 4
>categories.
>
>1. Assertions with no clear meaning.  say 40 percent, but I'm rather
>intolerant about such things.  ... (etc.)

I tried very hard over several weeks to get through Sexual Personae. I tried
the first chapter. When I got bogged down in it, I tried several chapters
in the middle of the book, and then the last chapter.

Inevitably, I found too much of one category you didn't mention:

5. Assertions with no evidence.

I'm old-fashioned in that regard. I read non-fiction books for information,
not just ill-informed opinions.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: RE: Book: Misty
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:30:49 GMT
Organization: Clark University

I think you're right -- the girl *was* the main character.  Or at
least the brother and sister were of equal importance.  It's been
so long since I read it, I don't know for sure.  If I happen into
a bookstore in the next few days, I'll take a look at the book
and see.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Subject: Re: Laurence Sterne's _Tristram Shandy_
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:17:44 GMT

In article <1OCT199212414151@venus.tamu.edu> spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>
>+--------------------------------------SubG-------------------------------+
>"Brilliant"?  Maybe.  But "radically" so?  I don't think so.  In fact, 
>one could just about argue that Sterne was exploiting a literary fad of
>his time (doing it well, mind you, but doing just that nonetheless).
>
>"Damn clever," and,"I like it, by gumm!" are more to the point.
>


Well all right you . . .you . . . you AGGIE: what fad?

And in what sense "exploiting"? 

Whatever the fad to which you refer, Sterne surely transfomed
it in an extraordinary way, and that's radical in mah book.

Pardner.

Kate



-- 
- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: gold bug variations
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:47:15 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Has anyone read Powers' _The Gold Bug Variations_? What did you
think of it? It was just raved about in the recent Whole Earth
Review.

                   |
...eliot          -*-                  RIME: ->CHANNEL [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

---
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--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: literature students
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:37:48 GMT


francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
 
        Oh I dunno. 12 years in a bloody tent in two dozen countries,
        and look what a boring old fart I've become...
 
I once asked Francis if he was serious about something.  He admonished me
by telling me that I should always accept his word as truth.  I will make
an exception, here.  Francis is not a boring old fart -- he is a bright
and interesting old curmudgeon.  May he live long, and be able to type until 
he dies.
 
Mark
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books in the time of love
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct2.123604.11885@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>   So -- stop your hedging.  Tell us how, tell us when, tell us why, and tell
>   us how literature helped!
>
>Well, a lot of my memories of my former sweetie involve books.  

[etc.]

Here's a related topic:

My sweetie (nice term, that) and I are reading through "The Chronicles of
Narnia" together.  What books have you all read with your sweet patooty? 
What books read well with another person?  What effect, if any, did doing
this have on the relationship?  



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:05:27 GMT

In article <JMC.92Oct3003417@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Speaking of attractiveness getting one jobs, someone remarked shortly
>before most of the American railroads went bankrupt that almost all
>railroad company presidents were over six feet tall.

American Presidents tend to be above average in height also.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:16:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.124957.23465@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
}Tim Starr writes:
}
}	Barbara Hlavin writes:
}
}		Norman Mailer is an intellectual vampire bitch.  
}		(But at least he can think his way out of a paper 
}		bag, and jesus can he write.) 
}
}	Paglia ain't stupid either, no matter if she disagrees with 
}	you or whomever.  I don't agree with her completely (albeit 
}	probably more than most), but I don't have to resort to 
}	calling her stupid because of this.
}
}Tim, Tim, Tim. Where did Barbara call Miss Paglia stupid?

Right where she wrote: "... at least he can think his way out of a paper bag..."
The implication that Paglia can't is quite clear, don't you think?

It is a fact
}that she has a disjointed, staccato style that does not smoothly flow
}from thought to thought in a conventional, "logical" way. Personally, I
}like her dyslectic writing -- maybe because it matches the way I think.
}
}							Fido

Who, Barbara or Camille?  I don't know about the former, but I agree with you
if you were referring to the latter.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:59:01 EDT

In article <1992Sep28.112646.15906@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
		*		*		*
> cordially,
> mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
> "Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."

Good to see you back, dude.
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.legal
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 1992 16:44:04 -0400 
From: Daniel Read <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net

>> Jews might not like such an article, but would not suggest that it be
>> banned, let alone offer money to kill the writer.
 
>Ghassan Kanafani (short story writer and Palestinian political activist),
>who as far as I know never expressed an anti-semitic feeling in his life,
>*was* killed by Jews for his political opinions (murdered by an Israeli
>terrorist squad in the early 70s).  So lay off the moral superiority  bit.

I don't know anything about this guy, but I can't see the relevance to
the Rushdie affair.   In fact, the original poster (Ken Arromdee) was
responding to someone who claimed that (some large number of) Jews would
respond to an anti-semitic document the same way that (some large number
of) Muslims responded to THE SATANIC VERSES.   Who knows what might
happen in the future, but its clear that as of this date no Jewish group
has responded to a work of art in the way that the Iranian government
responded to Rushdie.

The claim that this has something to do with anti-Arab sentiment is
ill-founded.   
If you accept that claim, then your remark that Kanafi was killed by
JEWS (why did you choose that word and not something else, like Israeli
-- are you suggesting that these were representative jews) could readily
be construed as anti-semitic.  

Must we tolerate all the actions of foreign governments and
organizations for fear of being labelled racist or colonialist or
otherwise demonized?  Such name-calling is a rhetorical trick used to
fix the limits of debate. 

I am also uncomfortable with the "two wrongs make a right" stance that
many people adopt.  I accuse no one, but I mention it because I think it
is relevent for this discussion.   For example, the fact that Israeli
organizations have acted badly cannot make those who condemned Rushdie
right, in just the same way that Indonesian terrorism in East Timor does
not justify the terrorism of the Khmer Rouge.  

daniel