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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: I don't think any of us are belittling Gen
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:17:52 GMT

In article <1493@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
[...]
>you seem to believe that you can come up with a *single* patch that is
>expressive and interesting as a more traditional acoustic instrument:
>
>    "I also absolutely do not agree that no synth patch is not enough to 
>    stand on its own.  Get enough modulation and variation into a patch, 
>    and you can stand up to a violin any day."
>
>Perhaps we disagree on the meaning of "stand up on it's own".
>We have been listening to violins and pianos for centuries and they
>still sound good.  I have never heard a synth patch that can remain 
>interesting, by itself, for an hour (much less 200 years). 
>(Sure, I have some patches that I can enjoy playing for an extended 
>period of time but that's nothing more than musical masturbation and 
>I would never subject my audience to it.)

	I think a big part of this that people are used to pianos and violins.
They are well established and we are comfortable with them, and so listen to
them in a different light (!?) than synthesizers.  I think with synthesizers
the very fact that they can produce new, previously-unheard sounds often makes
you listen in a mode expecting new and interesting sounds to pop out every
few bars or whatever.  If one sound is played for a long time, it ceases to
sound new, and can get boring even if it's a more exciting sound in general
than a piano.  Plus there's the fact that synth manufacturers don't usually
make it easy to program varying, sonically interesting patches where you have
a lot of articulation.  The mechanical interface of violins and pianos makes
that natural.  Still, in skilled hands, an analog synth with a full front panel
can do *a lot*!

>>I *never* use "piano" sounds.  What a waste of a synthesizer - to attempt to
>>duplicate a couple-hundred year-old instrument...  Bleah.  I try to create new
>>sounds that haven't been heard before.  That's why I'm a *synthesist* and not
>>a pianist.
>
>Which of course agrees with my original point about GMIDI being naive
>in the sense that it limits you to a conceptual patch bank that is
>too restrictive.  It largely attempts to imitate traditional acoustic
>instruments.  The imitations can sound very rich but they don't even
>come close to providing the range of expression and style of the
>originals.  It is the variety of timbres that makes a synthesizer 
>interesting.  The more the better.  One patch, or even a bank of 128 
>patches, starts to get old rather quickly.

	We are in agreement here.  I think GMIDI is a joke.

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From: brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland Handypad 5
Date: 25 Sep 92 22:35:03 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California


Glenn:  I don't have an electronic solution for you.  I have noticed that
I pretty much have to whack the fuck out of my octapad to get it to send
a 127 velocity.  This is probably a subjective feeling on my part because
I still think of it as a piece of electronic gear and not a drum.  :-)

What kind of sticks are you using?  If you use 2B's or (God forbid) something
bigger, try a pair of 7A's or those little Vic Frith sillohette sticks.
This could solve your problem.  But it could also mess up your feel.
Something to try though...


				--Brian Cox--

PS  I use a pair of 5B's in my studio.
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: MIDI Driver Chips
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:36:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.035219.11963@ncsu.edu>, ddm@hamby.tx.ncsu.edu (David Mann) writes:
|> Does anyone know of a MIDI driver chip or interface device 
|> where I could control a
|> bunch of LED's, switches, relays (64 would be nice) using a midi
|> controller.
|> 
|> Any info would be appreciated...
|> 

Off the shelf?  Sounds like your task could be performed by any old
microcontroller (68HC11, 68701, many others), though I don't know
any microcontrollers that have 64 parallel I/O lines, so you'd have to
devise some sort of decode circuit.  

There is a "standard circuit" for opto-isolating MIDI signals and sending
them off to a serial port.  If you like, I can email/post the components
tomorrow (its at home).

I've built a simple microcontroller (68701) with the serial in/out lines
interfaced to MIDI ports.  Most of the difficulty is in the progamming
of the chip.  I've only written some test code (pass the MIDI in to the 
MIDI out to make sure it works), since I now have no time and don't have
easy access to a 68XX assembler.  


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Synth timbres alone (was Re: I don't think any of us are belittling)
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:59:00 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Oct2.183313.20336@netcom.com> metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
>In article <1493@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>>We have been listening to violins and pianos for centuries and they
>>still sound good.  I have never heard a synth patch that can remain 
>>interesting, by itself, for an hour (much less 200 years). 
>
>If you listened to someone who wasn't a very good pianist playing the
>nicest piano ever built, I'll bet you'd get sick of it in a lot less
>than an hour. A person who is good at what they play can make an 
>electronic keyboard sound good enough to listen to for an hour without
>any trouble. Anthony Phillips can sit down at the Polymoog and just
>play it, producing utterly wonderful stuff.

The same patch?

>>Which of course agrees with my original point about GMIDI being naive
>>in the sense that it limits you to a conceptual patch bank that is
>>too restrictive.  It largely attempts to imitate traditional acoustic
>>instruments.  The imitations can sound very rich but they don't even
>>come close to providing the range of expression and style of the
>>originals.  It is the variety of timbres that makes a synthesizer 
>>interesting.  The more the better.  One patch, or even a bank of 128 
>>patches, starts to get old rather quickly.
>
>I agree with everything here EXCEPT the last two sentences. There is 
>no reason why one bank of 128 good sounds can't be used again and again
>to suggest musical idioms in a composer's work,...

I'm not saying that patches can't or shouldn't be reused.  I'm saying
that the synth player should be vigilant about the musical reality
of what he is doing and have high standards.  I'm frequently
guilty of violating this myself.  It's all too easy to think that
that latest sound is way cool or that the usual string patch will suffice
here.

>...the way the sounds of
>a traditional acoustic orchestra are used.

A traditional acoustic orchestra goes way beyond 128 patches.  Sure,
every sound palette has a finite usefulness.  I just feel that many
synthesists are trying to take shortcuts which tends to make them
overrate the sounds they use.  GMIDI can't succeed unless enough
people out there think "These patches are *great*.  I won't be
needing anything else".  Working within limitations is an important
part of any art form from a black-and-white movie to a mime show.  It's 
also important that the artist be aware of the limitations - especially
self-imposed ones.

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Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: danfuzz@wastelands.kaleida.com (Dan Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for PD/Shareware generic editor for Mac
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:01:21 GMT
Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc.

Hi--I seem to remember from way back when that someone (Nick maybe?)
had written a generic editor for the Mac. If so, I'd be very much
interested in getting said as I just got a Mac and a MIDI interface.

Any info is infinitely appreciated.

-dan
danfuzz@kaleida.com             "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals;
                                 I'm a vegetarian because I *hate plants*!"
                                     -- Nick Thompson
From: pr-sign@my13.sm.luth.se
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: EMAX II Memory Help Needed!
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:58:17 GMT

I recently picked up an second hand Emax II, monoversion, with 3 Mb RAM. 
1 Mb on the mother board, and 2 Mb on the memory board by PS Systems. 

I'm familiar with computers and electronics so I took the liberty to open 
my Emax II, to see if I could upgrade it to 8 Mb or at least 7 Mb, as the
memory board can be populated with 6 Mb of 44256-80ns DIL chips. 

I borrowed 2 Mb memory from a friend of mine, and installed it on the PS board.

Before installation (. empty socket * 44245 installed)
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After installation
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There is a wire on the PS board "Cut for 5 Mb", witch I cut. Turned the unit on,
everything worked fine, but my Emax II didn't recognice the new memory, it still
thinks that it has only 3 Mb. 

Is there any other hardware adjustments needed, PAL changes or anything like 
that? I tried the hidden mem test function, it turned out ok, but still only
3 Mb of ram recogniced. 

I tried to run the PS memory installation disk, but I'm not sure if the 
installation prog disk is ok. In the PS mem manual, they say that the screen 
will go blank when finished running, but when I run it, my Emax II hangs, with
the drive light still lit.
 
I`ve got the documentation for the PS mem board, but it doesn't tell you how
to install more mem by yourself. If you netters got any experience, or know 
who to contact in this matter please let me know. 

Thanks in advance

   Per
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: WANTED: CAKEWALK DRM FOR AKAI X7000.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 19:22:48 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park


	Has anyone made a DUMP REQUEST MACRO for an AKAI X7000
(S700) sampler? This is used by WINCAKE to tell the X7000 to
send it's samples.

	If no one has this, what are the commands that have to
be sent to the AKAI sampler to get it to spew it's Godly
contents into WINCAKE?




	(I just got Cakewalk for Windows, and my God! It's fast!
I just may start _liking_ windoze if this keeps up!)


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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:56:15 PDT
From:         "(Peter Uchytil)" <kentrox!ktxs8!peter@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Alesis SR-16 sysex problem
Comments: To: uunet!auvm.american.edu!synth-l@uunet.UU.NET

Have any of you SR-16 owners been able to backup your data via MIDI?
I tried with both Cakewalk 4 Windows and MIDIEX.  Cakewalk returns "missing
sysex data" and MIDIEX says, "missing sysex start info".  My software
version is 1.01.  It's getting really frustrating because I'd like to be
able to save the state of the machine for each song I do.

pete
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peter@kentrox.com |  Portland, Oregon    |  And you will have your day"
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ssipila@vipunen.hut.fi (Seppo K Sipil{)
Subject: Korg M1 hardcase price info needed
Keywords: M1, case
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date:  5 Oct 92 15:14:26 GMT

Hello again, everyone...

I only got one reply to my previous posting with a slightly different
Subject, so I thought I'd try again. I would like to know the prices
of Korg's hard case and flight case for the M1 in various countries. 
The models are HC-M1 (hard case) and FC-M1 (flight case). 

M1's are readily available here, but nobody imports Korg cases to
Finland. Some music shops build cases for a ridiculously high price.
I'm sure that it would be cheaper to order an original mass-produced
Korg case from abroad even if I have to pay customs etc.

If you know something about the prices of these cases in your country,
please answer through email. 

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From: fdaniel@laas.laas.fr (Canard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for good hammond organ sound
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:21:51 GMT
Reply-To: fdaniel@laas.laas.fr
Organization: LAAS-CNRS, Toulouse (France)

I just bought a Korg 03R/W expander but i don't like the
hammond organ predefined sound and i need it for a concert
in 2 weeks.

Does anyone has defined a better one on Korg 01W or 03R/W series
or on any other stuff ?

Please post parameters or send them to :
             fdaniel@laas.laas.fr (fdaniel@140.93.0.15)

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From: andersm@edb.tih.no (Anders Myrvold,o92b)
Subject: Re: Roland D50 Patches
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:39:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.161714@ulci20.unil.ch>, dhenchoz@ulci20.unil.ch (Daniel HENCHOZ) writes:


>
>Hello World !
>
>I'm interested to get some D50 patches across the
>internet network. Does someone know an anonymous ftp
>server where I can find them ?
>
>Thanks in advance for Your answers
>
>			
>				Daniel
>-- 
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>####  #  CIUL, University of Lausanne (CH)  | Bitnet : dhenchoz@clsuni51.bitnet
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>
>
>
>You can find some patches at: ucsd.edu , pub/midi/patches
>
>I have myself a lot of great sounding D50 patches. Send me E-mail.
>Mail to: andersm@baron.edb.tih.no
>
>
From: Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Weigel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: RE: Techno Samples
Keywords: Simple samples...
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:36:04 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


	Yes, I'm a bit bothered by the statement "all sounds have been
created already", or whatever.  What many sampler users do not realize is
that their machines are often among the most limited in terms of
expressive control, which is something I don't like to be without unless
I'm doing "Wierd Al" covers or something.  You can sample one of my
wavestations' sounds...then sample it at a slightly higher velocity, etc.
Then you can imcrement the Mod Wheel and go through the same process, and
after you have taken approximately 20,000 samples, to cover all the
possible states of expressive control, you can organize them on your
samplers "expression mapper" (they all do have one of those.. don't they? :-)
Ok, you get the point.  What makes a "real sound" is the expressive control,
and that is something that no instrument on earth makes easy work of
gathering from another instrument, unless they have compatable architectures.
(Like transferring sounds from a K1 to a K1 II)
	I am also bothered by the lack of understanding regarding the ears
amazing dynamic and timbral perception range!....And the complex way in
which the mind (or should I say an appreciation for ....) processes
various sonic constructs!  NO!  Every sound has not been constructed!! 
The SIGNIFICANT variations in a sound that lasts only a few seconds are
practically endless.  (Let's leave it to rec.math...is that a group yet?)
The other good news for a real artist trying to gather a set of sounds for
a well thought out production using a sampler, is that THERE ARE SO MANY
sounds to look through before you find what you are looking for, that you
will almost always fall short of what you are looking for when you get
distracted by another interesting sound.
	There are plus and minus items on both sides, but I recommend
getting to know an instrument with a fairly flexible sound generating
hardware well.  This will teach you much more about the nature of sounds
than running around with a mic and recorder!  The sampler is very useful,
especially ones with some expressive control, when you hear, or have some
kind of mechanical concept of how to produce an actual sound that you want
to use.  For some reason, I still don't have much desire to own one though!

					Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu
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From: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com (Craig Barnes - Sun UK - Senior Systems Admin N + SW Group Regio)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Ensonic ESQ1 help needed
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems


Have you set the keyboard to "both" on the master page, (I think), It may be set to local which won't transmit over midi.

Craig

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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:25:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: K2000 Software Status
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Doug Terrebonne writes:
"I bought one a couple weeks ago and it came with OS 1.28...

Anyone else out there got anything later?  "

I've been told that OS1.28 is the last before 2.0 which will arrive with
the sampling module. Current predictions are late October.

Bill Scott
From: pr-sign@my13.sm.luth.se
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: EMAX II mem installation software help needed.
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:22:49 GMT

I have a problem installing memory on my PS board. I bought it second hand
with 3 Mb mem. I wan't to install another 4 Mb on the PS board, but you
can't buy PS mem board upgrades in Sweden anymore. I can get the right
chips, but not the needed software.

If anyone out there in NetLand have a mem installation disk, I would be
most grateful if I could get a copy. I think it`s possilble to copy the
mem installation disk by:

Choose format, when you are asked to insert source disk, insert the mem
installation disk, then the software is copied to the target disk.

If you can help me please send me a mail.

Thanks in advance

	Per Lindgren Luth Sweden (pelly@mother.ludd.luth.se)
From: furio@uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Korg DSS1 keyboard/sampler/synthesizer
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:39:35 GMT
Reply-To: furio@uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Organization: MRL - UIUC

In article <1992Oct3.170231.19538@netcom.com>, metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
|>     [...]       However, the DSS-1 is the only sampler I have
|>ever really been tempted to buy more than once (I came within 24 hours
|>of buying one at least three times over the past three years), and it's
|>likely that I will eventually break down and get one. The reason is the
|>machine's architecture, that of a slightly enhanced DW-8000 with sampling
|>oscillators, is very familiar to me and very easy to learn to use. I have
|>always regarded the DSS-1 as a synthesizer with an expanded set of waveforms
|>rather than a traditional sampler-- it has nice features for creating 
|>single-cycle waves for use in synthesis, and has the delightfully retro 
|>ability to turn sample resolution down to 8, 7, or even 6 bits, introducing
|>all sorts of lovely cruft into the sound.

I hereby request your permission to use the above text (under the 
heading "What the Big Guns say about it" and a subheading "Very easy
to learn and use") the day I will decide to sell my DSS1 (at an 
outrageous price :-)

And: two 500ms digital delays in the effect section.

furio
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:03:32 -0900
From:         "TL (jstrl1@alaska.bitnet)" <JSTRL1@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: IBM Sequencer

Try TEXTURE version 4 or whatever it's up to now.  It will work nicely on
an XT, though you'll wait a while if you're doing copying and pasting of
large hunks of sequence, as you would with any sftwe pkg on an XT. But, you'll
get 24 tracks, decent even editing (list).  I don't know what you mean by
DECENT midi controller implementation.  This will be a lot better than
your QX5D.  I don't know how much it costs.  Call Magenetic Music.../TL

reply to jstrl1@alaska.bitnet

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