HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: He should have never done it...IV
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:48:00 GMT

He should have never done it...

There he lay in on the 6-inch thick ooze. He picked  himself  up.
The  stygian  darkness  was  barely penetrated by a stab of light
emanating from somewhere above him.

He should have never done it...

A wave of nausea struck him as the noxious stench  wafted  around
him.  He  reeled  about  in physical agony. It was dank and dark.
Somewhere close he could hear the trickle of water.

He looked up. What was he to do? What prompted him to be  so  im-
becilic?   Did  he  not jump far enough when apes made the evolu-
tionary leap to Sapienhood?  He  decides  to  swallow  pride  and
shouts for help.

He should have never done it...



He should have never walked down the  streets  of  Dhaka  without
checking for open manholes.

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu.noname (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Elephant Road
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:01:49 GMT

In article 2447@grivel.une.edu.au, dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright) writes:

>                                     but I learnt more about
> Bangladeshis on Elephant Road than from just about anywhere
> else.

 Could you please narrate your expeiences? Can't wait to hear!

 One of my favorite pastimes in Dhaka was to take a walk along Elephant 
Road during the pre-Eid shopping seaosns. I especially remember the Pakoura 
at Ruhi sweetmeat (at the intersection of Elephant Rd and Mirpur Rd) and the 
streetside peyanjus (sp?) on the New Elephant Rd.

> 'bye from Oz in late spring,
> 
> Denis.

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
From: N.Chatterjee@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Help solicited (for research project)
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:43:13 GMT

Hi Friends,

I solicit your help for my research project.

As a researcher in Artificial Intelligence I am interested in measuring
similarity on multi dimensional non-numerical quantities - which one 
uses for reasoning in real life problems. Here I propose one such problem,
which I believe most of you have faced with. I just want to know how you
solved the problem and the reasons behind the solution.

The problem :

Suppose you have to go to India (or any country) and you have to choose
one airlines. There are many factors to consider:

- Price
- Comfort (given by the airlines)
- Safety factor of the airlines
- Specific day you want to arrive
- (non) avoidance of some place
- Past experience (self + others)

etc.

There may be some other factors which you may add as well.

Now corresponding to each of these one may have some ideal. But as it is 
not possible to have the optimal one in each aspect one has to compromise.

------------------------------------------------------
Let us take my case :

My budget was around 450 pounds for return ticket to Calcutta. 

I had to discard British Airways (though it is comfortable).
Aeroflot was cheap, but I heard its om board service was horrible.
Gulf air was good - but form Bombay I had to take Indian Airlines
 - which I wanted to avoid.
Romaninan Airlines is cheap - but people said it may not reach in
due time which was a must for me.

-
Hence I chose Royal Jordan. Although It starts London at odd hour
and all to and fro journeys were on weekdays, causing lots of inconvenience.
Again I knew that their on board service is not very good. One has to stay
in Amman one night (at their cost of course).
But it was cheap. RJ is quite punctual. So I compromised.
I consider this choice to be the closest approximation to my ideals.
-------------------------------------------------------

My request to you is can you spare some time to think over what have
been your preferences and which airlines you have chosen and the reasons
behind the choice.

It will be of much help to see how human beings find closest approximation
for real life problems.  So please cooperate.

Thanking you in advance,

Niladri Chatterjee
Dept of Computer Science
University College London
London  WC1E 6BT

Email : N.Chatterjee@uk.ac.ucl.cs
From: dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Marital Status (definition of Hindu)
Summary: hinduism,islam
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:19:04 GMT



>In article <1992Nov04.150158.6486@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columb
>ia.NCR.COM () writes:
>
>> Actually speaking HINDU is  an  UMBRELLA  like  phenomena.  As  a
>> matter  of  fact,  there  is  no  definition  of  Hindu either In

... deletions ...

[and Shakil responds:]
>
>This is confusing.  You appear to be equating Hinduism with some form
>of Indian nationalism.  What are "Indian values?"  Are they not
>dependent to some extent on the faith which a person practices?  If

... deletions ...

>hearing for the first time...  I would be interested in hearing
>whether other Hindus agree with Indu's views on this.
>
Not a Hindu, but someone who has been reading and writing about
Indian culture for a long time.  I guess the simplest
definition of a Hindu is one who believes s/he is one.  From
the philosophical point of view, the Hindu might even say that
we are all Hindus, except that some of us don't recognise the
fact!  Christianity and Islam, e.g., are from the Hindu
philosophical standpoint, bhakti yogas.  From the standpoint of
philosophy, Hinduism does not depend on the social structure
which was created along with it.

Problems arise only when we take an exclusive view of religion,
and say that because *A* is right, therefore *B* must be wrong
(or maybe to put it better, A has the fully revealed truth,
while B's truth is limited or incomplete.)  Both Christianity
and Islam take this viewpoint.

The most sophisticated (from the philosophical point of view)
view in Hinduism is the monistic one, which sees expression of
God, or gods, as a simpler - no doubt more humanly satisfying -
way of perceiving the Ultimate.  The central statement of this
is the Sanskrit "Tat tvam asi" - "That, thou art!"  This is
*not* akin to saying that "You are God" in the sense that would
be perceived as heresy in the Judao-Christian-Islamic
traditions.
But to explore that would take some explanation, and scb is
probably not the appropriate place....

>Third, in stating that "Hindu society has withstood many attacks on
>itself," you imply that the other two religions have not.  What
>attacks on Islam have caused Islam to change, and how has that
>affected Islam?>
>
>-- Shakil Ahmed

I'll leave the original poster to defend his position in the
face of these questions, if he can.  The fact is that all
religions change with time and on interaction with new
cultures, even if their essential truths do not.  In Islam, as
long as the principle of consensus (ijma) exists and there are
contemporary interpreters of Islamic law, there will be
varieties of Islamic religious expression in various parts of
the world, based on the same original truths.

'bye from Oz,

Denis.

PS If this thread continues, may I appeal to participants to
engage in calm, rational debate which takes account of others'
sensitivities?  It could develop into a wasteful flame war if
emotions govern reason.  So far, it hasn't.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Chakma peace talks
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:50:48 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Govt began talks w/ Chakma rebels in sthrn hill tracts w/ rebels announcing
cease fire until end of year. The talks, 7th in series under Khaleda Zia govt
are being held after months of intense preparation for several months to find
a solution. The talks are at Khagrachari. Communications Minister Oli Ahmed
led the govt delegation. Govt closed several bases and suspended activities
in the remainder until December 31.

The Chakmas have been fighting since early 70s for autonomy over 14,000
square km hill region.

[Japan Econ Newswire]

[Note: Another news item said that 8 bases were closed in the area and 
activities in 5 were suspended]

[Note: One reason for less optimism is that:
	-Opposition refused to join delegation in spite of govt request (of 
course no opposition member would want to join in delegation that would help
a BNP govt become the one to solve Chakma problem)
	-Chief Chakma supporter in parliament Rashed Khan Menon is not in the
country and is unlikely to become well enough to return soon]

--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216-774-1993
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu.noname (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Hindu population in Bangladesh
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:21:53 GMT

In article 92Nov7015154@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> 
> Hindu population in Bangladesh
> 
> Year	Percentage
> 1901	33.0
> 1911	31.5
> 1921	36.6
> 1931	29.4
> 1941	28.0
> 1951	22.0
> 1961	18.5
> 1974	13.5
> 1981	12.1
> 
> [Source: Hindu women's rights and family law in Bangladesh, Dr. Purkayostho]

Intersting statistics! Looks like more hindus left Bangladesh after 1951 than 
between '41 and '51, when pakistan was formed and mass immigration took place.

Any explanations, folks?

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: MULLAHS BURN QURANS AND DESECRATE MOSQUE IN DACCA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:10:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.112508.23026@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
>
>
>
>>	MULLAH LED DESCERATE AHMADI MUSLIM MISSION HOUSE
>>		AND BURN MANY QURANS IN BANGLADESH
>
>
>>On 29th October 1992, a mob led by Pakistani and Saudi Arabian Mullahs stormed
>>the Ahmadiyya Muslim Mission House in Dacca, Bangladesh.
>
>
>
>
>Another shameful act by Pakis.
>
>Oh Pakis, when will you learn the words "Peace" and "Respect".
>
>

what were pakistani mullahs doing in Bangladesh.
If pakistan is exporting them to other countries, are there quality checks??

sahibzada rafay khan [ once a mullah always a mullah]
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From: ellialtiog81@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.nepal,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Indian Literature
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:43:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello,

   I am a student at the Wharton School of Business in Philadelphia, and 
would be grateful if someone could provide me the answers to the following 
questions urgently.  These are from old examinations of an Indian 
Literature class:

Explain the following:
-Vyasa
-Pandu
-Yudhishthira
-Kshatriya
-Dushyanta
-Priyamvada
-Satyavati
-Ambalika
-Kunti
-Draupadi
-Gandharva
-Menaka
-Santanu
-Ambika
-Dhritarashtra
-Shudra
-Kanva
 
Who are the following persons and when did they live?
-Surdas
-Kalidasa
-Kabir
-Nusrati
-Dharmashtra
-Nanak
-Nazimu' d-Din

Explain:
-The four Vedas
-Rasa
-Upanishad
-Saguna
-Bhava
-Dharmashastra
-Nirguna
-Adigranth
-Srngara (Shringara)

Give short answers of the following:

-What is the meaning of the "the Name" for the Sikhs and for the 
 "Kabir"?
-How are devotion and erotic sentiments linked?
-Was Kabir a hater of woman?
-Name two of the landscapes of Tamil poetics, describe them, and
 state what they indicate.
-What meaning has the term "guru" for the Sikhs?
-What is a "nayika" and which role does she play in devotional attitudes?
-Why Kabir used a "Secret Language"?
-Why did the Sufis love the story of Yusaf and Zuliakha?
-Which dhrama rules operates in the drama Shakhuntala?
-Is there a woman's voice in Nanak's hymns which are included in our
 readings?
-What means Kabir by the term "Love in Separation?"
-What is the difference between "prema" and "'ishq"?


Thank you very much.  I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Please remember that I need the answers by noon tomorrow
(US Eastern Time).

-Masood [Indian Studies 101]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: IN?OUT of Islam.
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:43:27 GMT


Sorry That I forgot to post the last LETTER
SUPRATIC GUPTA                    
I never want to hide myself when I have no bad intention
For those who don't know, I am from INDIA, BENGALI(PROUD),
My family is HINDU, I am not. I am a Human Being.
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... (just an opinion)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:22:59 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.systemsy.cs.yale.edu


In article <SAHMED.92Nov6150440@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
> In article <1decn9INNqjs@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>    And hence go with the flow and answer it anyway?  No thanks, I prefer
>    to think before I do something, and I decided against it for the
>    reasons I gave.

> As George Bush said at the Earth summit. "Great leaders sometimes have
> to stand alone and not go with the others. They have to do what they
> think is right" <Not exact quote, flame me for it>
> Or to quote the Mazda ad. "Most creatures, instinctively travel in
> herds. Others like to stand alone. And for this rare breed ......"
> <Inviting flames again>
> Unfortunately most of the scbites are neither Great leaders or a rare
> breed, or great thinkers for that matter. :) :)

You said it, not I... :)

I was merely speaking for myself, I'll leave it to you to speak for
everyone else since you appear to have chosen that role for
yourself...

-- Shakil

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Inter-religious marriage, example, Own words.
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:30:07 GMT


Dear reader,
   I got this letter from a friend. Please
read on:


> Thannk you for responding. Sorry for asking you
> some more personal questions. Many people are
> of the opinion that inter-religious marriages
> don't work. Can you tell us how you really doing.
> I am sure that you can really enlighten us of
> this side of the story.
>
> with regards
> SUPRSTIC GUPTA
> Please if you don't mind, please answer in public and to
> me directly also.
> Thanks
>

inter-religious marriages between people
who strongly & blindly believe in some
religious ideas will not be possible, I think.
For them to work, both the parties need to be
a litlle bit more enlightened.  Of course, if
both are athiests, then there is no problem.

The main problem comes in the issue of children.
Which religion should the children follow.
There are many ways in which this is handled.
I have personally seen many inter-religious
marriages, where children follow one or the
other religion of their parents.  The other
parent rationalizes that religion is a presonal
thing and so it is ok.  I have heard of both
parents sticking to their guns and finally
breaking up also.

In my case, I think that if one truly
understands what 'vEdAnta' is, then there should
be no problem with practiced religion, whatever
it is.  My wife is a believer sans reason, but
it worked out fine.

I am not yet ready to post this.  I was only
married last month.  I think I need to give it
some time.  However, you can post it, without
attibuting my name or any other personal
information.  I am also willing to cooperate
with answering any other queries that might
arise from the post, via e-mail to you.

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

If you have any question, please write in public
or email to me. He reads news.   


with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:05:52 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.systemsy.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Nov7.011532.23166@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:

> >>> More importantly, conducting a survey where one can specify ones
> >>> gripes and likes gives off the illusion that there is an authority to
> >>> whom one can direct such comments.  There isn't, and that wouldn't be
> >>> in the spirit of an unmoderated newsgroup.  I basically object to any
> >>> kind of bureaucratization of SCB.
> 
> I don't understand how on earth the survey "gives offthe illusion that there is
> an authority to whom one can direct such comments."  We are simply asking
> a few questions to the readers.  Are we asking anybody to direct comments
> to us, so that we can take actions to solve the problem?  Our intention
> has been articulately explained in the intro of the survey.  It is just
> a simple and innocent survey and I why can't you accept it as it is, instead
> of imposing all kinds of invalid attributions to it? If you object to
> any kind of bureaucratization, you should object to your own articles
> before anything else.  You are the person who always take a leading role
> in defining what type of behavior in the net is appropriate and what is
> not.   

Nope.  I never said it was wrong to post the survey -- you can post
what you want.  I just don't think it is useful and I gave my reasons
for not participating.  Yes, I do dish out a lot of criticism on SCB.
If the net is free for all to post, it is free for me too, and that
means I can criticize what I want to.  That doesn't make me a
policeperson who defines anything...

-- Shakil
From: THS1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Marital Status (definition of Hindu)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:37:26 GMT
 <1dphfjINN7cp@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1dphfjINN7cp@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>,
ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) says:

>In article <1992Nov10.144230.27800@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
>indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

    Much crap from indu@ncr.com deleted

>Clearly, you are ruling out Islam.  So how does that make your
>standpoint any different?  Any attempts to construct an
>all-encompassing religion will lead to inevitable paradoxes.  As for
>overriding other peoples' rights, I suggest you examine the following
>verses in the Qur'an:

    Shakil, I agree with your criticism of indu's crap, but would you
    please read what you wrote in the third sentence in the paragraph
    above ?  So would you now agree that Islam is not all-encompassing
    or that Islam contains paradoxes ?

T.H.Sanyal.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: RELIGION
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:50:38 GMT

>>Many religions have many different Gods. There are
>>thousands of  different religions/sects in the world.
>>Many religions have more than one god. Several hundred
>>gods exist in Hinduism (every family may have a different
>>God, well almost). Almost all tribes in africa have a differnt
>>set of gods.
>>

>ho then is Bhagvan is Hiduism, is he not the supreme god?

>>I doubt if they would agree that all their gods are
>>simply different representations of GOI.

>The are not representations of Allah they may be saints/prophets/objects
>raised to the status of a god.

>GOI is not correct it must be GOIJC (God of Islam Judaism Christianity)
>and any other monotheistic religion.


>
>>It is quite clear that you think there is only one God.
>>I think it is quite natural for you think like that, since
>>you are a muslim.  However, we must be fair to other folks,
>>who may have different opinion than yours.
>
>>regards,
>
>>-Naveed

>There is no compulsion in religion.
>>Truth stands out from error.

>I have friends from alot of faiths (including Atheists) so I
>do respect others beliefs/opinions.

>Masud

I will like to add a little about Hinduisim as I learnt in
RAM KRISHNA MISSION. Our Hinduisim have got a concept of NIRAKAR
god. The other concept is called SHAKAR. TThe former means one
and only one form less god. The other really means Hinduisim or
Hindu Culture. Hindu culture is in its present form because of
this multi-god system. This how RAMKRISHNA explains it.

All reigions are just different paths to the same almighty god.
The multi-god system is just to facilitate the imagination of
the difficult concept God. In Hinduisim, the system of multi
god can be considered as representation of different virtues.
For example Saraswati represent the knowledge. It is a symbolic
OBJECT ORIENTED APPROACH. The stories connected are also symbolic
representing how we should behave.

If I am wrong Please enlighten us
with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:54:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


US is planning to expand "military assistance" to Bangladesh through 
American International Education & Training program. This is in line with
recommendation from USAID which suggested that aid be continued with special
attention to issues of human rights and democracy. A USAID report on the
"Bangladesh Democracy Program (BDP) Assessment" said this will help enlarge
world view of Bangladesh officers.


--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216-774-1993
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: Re: News
Followup-To: Mosque incidence
Reply-To: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:44:28 GMT


Unfortunately, the mosque incidence is TRUE. Last week, a group
of about 1000 armed people attacked the kadiani mosque and ransacked
the library, office etc. 30 books including Quran was reported to 
be destryoed. They chanted slogan like "Declare Kadianis as non-muslims."
Police tried to stop them (as usual !!) and about 30 persons (including
police were injured. The attackers have snatched some jewelleries
and other valuables from the women. (From the report, it seems to me
that the place was more than a mosque,, like a community center.
Does anybody know about the place ! This is in Bakshibazar)

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