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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brian's Rank
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:35:21 GMT
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v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak) writes:


>Wasn't there an episode where O'Brian refers to another officer (either an
>ensign or a lt.) as "One of my technicians"?

>I think that pretty much clears it up - He has to outrank the technician...

This doesn't follow. Remember The episode where Wesley (gag) had to
lead a mineral exploration party. He had senior officers in his
group (at least one lt. I believe), but they were still 'his' personel. 

As transporter chief, O'Brien could have any number of staff of any
rank (in theory) :)




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From: patrickd@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Base Nine
Date: 9 Oct 1992 00:39:50 GMT
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In article <1992Oct7.205832.13405@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> clhaynes@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>I was wondering if anyone has info on Deep Base Nine. I don't even know if
>that is the correct title. 

Guess who's the new netter?  :)

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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Relics (no spoilers)
Organization: DSC
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.074026.9746@wam.umd.edu>, mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:
> 
> Satellite..???  How in the hell are you seeing a newepisode almost
> a week before anyone else??  I want it!!
> 

I'm sure this has been discussed before - 

Paramount uplinks new episodes of TNG to its stations every Saturday at
5 pm Central Time and repeats it on Sunday at 1 pm Central Time. The local
stations tape one of these uplinks, insert the appropriate local breaks,
then broadcast them later the next week. Paramount does not allow a local
station to broadcast the episode before Monday, although I have heard that
some stations break that rule. 

The Paramount uplinks are in the clear (not scrambled) on C-band. The show
has been uplinked on Telstar 301 transponder 9 for a long time, and the
schedule has not changed. It is uplinked with discrete stereo on two audio
subcarriers, left is on 6.2 and right is on 6.8, with a mono mix on 5.8.

This uplink can be received by any C-band home satellite dish. I have seen
very minimal configurations sell for $600-$700 mail order (you install it),
with very fancy systems going for $2000+. Naturally, there is much more to
get than just STTNG, but it's very nice to be able to see it a week before
most other folks (at least here in St. Louis).

There has been a discussion of a dealer selling 5-foot dishes for C-band
in rec.video.satellite, and there is also a scrounger's guide available
for those who would like to piece together a system for very little money.
Heck, if you can put together a cheapo system for a hundred bucks, it
might be worth it for a real STTNG fan!

Larry

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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode 
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:08:02 GMT

Well if they did it right, they might have some good conflict between
Scotty, and LaForge.  Scotty is the "hacker" type engineer, while
LaForge is molded primarily from the overblown "professionalism" that
seems to pervade TNG at times.  I don't see Scotty running diagnostics
as often as LaForge does.  Just give him a piece of gum and digital
fransatat and he'll get it running in no time :-)
From: jes44606@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Eric Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Relics (mistakes) ***SPOILERS***
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:42:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2pA6.55p
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

gambit@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Remy LeBeau) writes:

>Also, why would you build a Dyson sphere out of neutronium?  It would
>collapse under its own weight (unless you used some very large gravity
>generators, which wouldn't justify the power cost!).

Could someone verify the physics involved in this question?  I seem to 
vaguely remember something from my intro. physics class about only the
mass with the sphere adding to the experienced gravity on the sphere.
Is this right or am I remembering something else.  In other words, the
gravity experienced on the inner surface of the sphere would seem to be 
zero unless you provided some "centrifugal" (sp?) force to simulate
gravity (easily accomplished with such a sphere).  Physics majors?
Thanks.
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From: swede@netcom.com (Carl Larsonn)
Subject: Picard = Klink ??
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:14:28 GMT

Is it my imagination, or if you change the uniform
and add a monocle, that Picard would look exactly
like Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros?
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Subject: Dread of Scotty Episode
From: jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse)
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:41:27 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: as little as possible

Just a little preliminary survey.
How many here get the feeling that this
episode where Scotty returns is not going
to be to good?

In fact, lets assume this one turns out
as rotten as I think it will.  Just a poorly
contrived vehicle to bring in another old
enterprise character.  (Not that I have anything
against Scotty...)

That means that 3 out of the 1st 4 episodes
are not very good AND we haven't even gotten to
the inevitable child oriented shows.

I fear for the worst.
Jim
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Base Nine
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:50:57 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <16136@mindlink.bc.ca> David_Woodsworth@mindlink.bc.ca (David Woodsworth) writes:
>> clhaynes@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has info on Deep Base Nine. I don't even know if
>> that is the correct title.
>
>I believe it's called Deep SPACE Nine.
>

And soon be called Deep SIX Nine ;-)




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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Goofup in the teaser of "Relics" -- watch for this
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:07:06 GMT

At the very very start of Relics (the Scotty episode), Picard and
Riker are leaning over Data and his conn console at the front of the
Bridge.

Then the shot cuts to a view with Data in the foreground and Worf at
his tactical station in the background, and we see Picard and Riker
walk from the back of the bridge over to Data and his console.

Whups.  :)

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:39:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.165339.26177@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>In article <Bw2uH2.7xz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>>johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>	I'm getting FLAMED! I guess I deserve it after a post like that.

	Yes, you did.  And you do now, as well.


>	Yes, I have seen Cost of Living. Yes, it was awful. And yes, some
>network shows aren't so bad (although Murphy Brown is WAY overrated). Just
>try an episode of "Family Matters" on for size and tell me if you still
>disagree.

	Don't need to. LAW AND ORDER, for example, has writing that beats
TNG on almost every epsisode (with the POSSIBLE exception of Snodgrass
written ones).


>	Atsushi tears apart episodes for the sake of doing it. I think
>the problem is that the writers assume the audience has some intelligence.

	No, they're sloppy, shoddy in their craftsmanship and incompetent
in the work

>Thus, we get 200-message long flame threads over why didn't the writers
>show us how they got their clothes at the start of TAII. Then Atsushi starts
>flaming: "This show sucks because they didn't tell us how they got their
>clothes." I mean, come on. *Maybe* they thought we were smart enough to figure
>it out on our own, and it wasn't crucial to the dramatic thread of the
>story.

	Doubtful; otherwise, they wouldn't wasted so much time with the
landlady subplot.  If they could get clothes so easily, then they shouldn't
have had problems paying rent.  Wasted air time; strictly filler.

	Besides, this was a minor point compared to the lack of dramatic
tension, the paper mache threat, the absence of character defining choices
(ummmm....shall we go on?).

>	I'm sorry, but flames over subjects like that are *dumb*. If you
>think Mark Twain got too much screen time, fine. Thought the time-travel
>logic was unoriginal, fine. But I tire of the "THIS SHOW SUCKS"
>mentality we get over and over. The show does not suck. Nor is it perfect.
>Let's just not whine about it, OK?

	I think the only whining is coming from your area.  Pointing out
major character gaffes is not whining. Showing major plot holes
is not whining. Underscoring shoddy craftsmanship is not whining.

	Some of us don't check our brains at the door when we watch.

>	TNG takes risks.

	No, it doesn't. It wimps out far too often on issues that
mainstream TV has gone out on a limb for.  Nudity, homosexuality, etc.
are all areas where TNG has been far more timid than network fare.   TNG
has been FAR more formulaic than a lot of network TV.



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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (the trek witch)
Subject: Re: Peter David, Diane Duane, MW Bonano (was re Da Books)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:47:47 GMT

In <Bw4qD6.512@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

>     As for Marshak/Culbreath -- didn't they write the K/S stories,
>     or the Spock Must Die ones?  I don't think we have to worry
>     about THEM writing future Trek!  That was so long ago!

Borderline K/S.  Which is not to say that they're all that great
(though I liked _The Price of the Phoenix_ -- the problem is that all
the rest of their books use the SAME theme OVER and OVER again).  If
you're looking for it, you'll find it, if not, you won't.  They won't
publish anything again: Paramount won't accept any of their stuff.

[K/S, for those of you not in the know, is a term denoting a
particular brand of fannish fiction (usually published in little
fanzines) that puts Kirk and Spock into a homosexual relationship.
Nothing has actually been published, novel-wise, that is K/S except
occasional hints, as with the Marshak/Culbreath stories, and in
_Killing Time_, a sequence deleted in later printings.]

James Blish, of the TV episodes adaptions, wrote _Spock Must Die_.  I
didn't think that book was all that bad, but you do have to ignore the
ending.  I will say that there is much better stuff out since.  Don't
have to "worry" [?] about him either, he died back in '75 or '76.

--Cindy
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard/Riker
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:26:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1992Oct6.001849.16066@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct2.204823.5271@ra.msstate.edu>, cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:
> |>  With regard to Picard/Riker, the Ferengi, or even Wesley,
> |> let's think about fun combinations from TOS or TNG that we'd
> |> rather see for president than Bush/Quayle or (heaven forbid)
> |> Quayle/Somebody else.
> 

How about selecting TOS/TNG counterparts for our pres/vicepres
candidates?

For example, Riker obviously = Clinton
             Alexander RoStinko = Bush
             Any alien ball of light = Quayle
             
How about Gore? Help me out...

Richard
From: mcneely@korg16.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Alan_McNeely)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Geordi's Blindness (Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear")
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:42:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Oct07.154233.24729
Organization: NCR Corp

In article <JIMBO.92Oct4141242@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com> jimbo@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com (Jim Winters) writes:
>This happens so much with Geordi that I've come to suspect that they
>are doing it on purpose.  Geordi is always saying "I see." or "See you
>later." or "It looks like..." or else someone is saying these things
>to him.  I know that's just standard usage, so much so that we usually
>don't notice it, but since I noticed it the first few times it seems
>like it happens a lot.

Yep,  this is standard usage,  even in the 20th Century.  Blind persons (who
I spend a lot of time with) use these expressions all the time,  because:

"I see" = "I Understand"
"See you later" = "Goodbye,  looking foward to being with you again"
"It looks like" = "The facts suggest that"

You notice it a lot because everybody uses these expressions all the time,
whether they can see or not!  Blind people don't think of the "vision" aspect
of these expressions any more than you do when you use them.  I doubt writers 
are doing it on purpose.

Alan

P.S. Wow,  I've "lurked" in this group for three years.  What an odd thing
to finally post about!
 
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From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Cause and Effect
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:46:14 GMT
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What was Cause and Effect?  That wasn't that episode with Dr. Crusher and
the Traveller is it?

								-Z
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Man of the People acting *SPOILERS*
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:41:08 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

Man! What an inconsistent episode! It had a couple of really
well acted scenes and some really BAD ones!

Good: After Troi is made the emotional recepticle and is doing
      her Thi Chi (sp?) and is pensively looking at herself,
      you get a very good feeling for her concern, confusion, and
      emotion - all without a single word. Very nice.

BAD:  The final scene in Troi's quarters where she talks to Riker
      was pretty awful. The dialog was totally unnatural. They
      seemed to be talking just to wrap up the loose ends and
      explain what happened. It actually made me cringe.

Please. Please. Pleeeeeeeeaaase, writers. Don't kill season 6.

-- Tim
From: wesc@persimmon.ucsb.edu ((Wesley J. Chun))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Relics  *POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!*
Summary: praises, critiques...
Keywords: TNG, Scotty
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:15:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara


For safety purposes, this is an embedded ^L:

Okay, I got to the main TV in the dorm lounge and hogged it
up for James Doohan's special appearance on TNG.  What I got
was a nice story with Scotty, but another "super engineers
save-the-day" plot.

Basically, Scotty is stranded with a fellow crewmember.  They
run out food and supplies, and figure that survival is to be
placed in an "infinite feedback loop" in the transporter until
someone comes along to rescue them.

They are saved, but while Geordi and Scotty beam aboard Scotty's
ship to retrieve computer records, the Enterprise is dragged
into a sphere inhabited by a star which is beginning its collap-
sing stage.  The Enterprise's power is drained as they are
dragged into this (Dyson [sp?]) sphere.

Somehow, the two of them open the door and place their ship as
a "stick in the alligator's mouth" to let the Enterprise out.

Pluses:
1. It was good to see a familiar face.

2. The way that the story circle's around the issue of Scotty's
    dilemma, of his effectiveness/usefulness as an engineer in
    the 24th Century is/was a nice touch.

3. The confirmation of the existence of the NCC-1701-B.

4. Best Quote:  "Although I am Captain by rank, I have never
    really wanted anything else, but to be an Engineer!" -- Scotty

Minuses:
1. Scotty never really develops a "relationship" with the crew.
    Even though he is troubled, he was never approached by Deanna,
    he isn't able to spin off his stories of the "good old days."

2. I thought that the Enterprise was supposed to have been
    disabled and heading for certain doom in a solar flare,
    but when the doors were opened, they apparantly had im-
    pulse power that they didn't have a few minute beforehand.

3. The full story of why the Dyson Sphere is never fully discovered
    or revealed, and there is still a mystery about what is supposed
    to happen to it, including the star that is inside it.

4. Marina earned her daily pay with a 25-second cameo to kiss
    Scotty farewell at the end of the show.

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From: Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
	<1992Oct3.033940.4922@HAN.Paramax.COM>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.033940.4922@HAN.Paramax.COM> rubio@HAN.Paramax.COM (Stuart Rubio) writes:


   >In article <m-overmier1.19.717712942@uiuc.edu> m-overmier1@uiuc.edu (Mark Overmier) writes:
   >>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
   >>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
   >>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
   >>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	
   >
   >Ah, the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.  :-)  (The all-purpose explanation
   >for limits on time travel in Doctor Who.)  Actually, the idea of Time Ramming,
   >which states that no two objects can occupy the same space and time, is
   >generally thought only to happen when the objects are in EXACTLY the same
   >place at the same instant.  Data's other head was in his hand, so it wasn't
   >sharing the same space as his attached head, which was sitting on his
   >shoulders.
   >
   Another slant on this is that the head in Data's hands is existing in
   a completely different worldline, a different time line, by virtue of
   the fact that it had lain on the floor of a cave for 500 years. The
   head on Data's shoulders had existed only a much shorter few decades
   and had not yet experienced that 500 year shift. So, the two worldlines
   could not coexist. They remain completely separate and distinct.

huh? You're quite wrong. They found a 500 years old head. It stay in the
ship. Data's head on his shoulders look new. Data go back 500 years, get
blasted. His body is sent 500 years in the future and thus still look NEW.
But his head stay behind, and it lies on a cavern floor for 500 years, thus
it becomes OLD.  Then after 500 years  find the head, Data go back in time
(same as before, we are always  following the same head) but this time
since we're following the "old"  head, we do not follow Data. The ship
retrieve's data's body, which is still looks new. They decide to try to
"save" him, by reattaching the "old" head to the body. And voila!

Now, Data has a 20 years old body, and a 520 years old brain! Talk about
fuzzy... 

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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Keywords: How
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:36:29 GMT

In article <1av4ntINN5n8@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> tilden@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffery A Bohning) writes:
>
>I just saw a re-run of "Elementary, Dear Data" last night and I have a stupid
>question.  Isn't there some way they could use a plot complication like
>downloading Proffessor Morriarity's holodeck program into a android body
>built to his own likeness?  Data could build the body and then just download
>Morriarity into his new form.  Anyone have a justifiable answer why it can't
>be done?

I believe the whole concept of the uniqueness of Data is that no one
else has perfected the positronic brain.  Data doesn't remember anything
before his awakening so he can't help.  This is why that researcher
(can't remember his name) wanted to take Data's brain apart in his research.
He wanted to build a bunch of androids which lead to that discussion of Data's
rights, his sentience, the slave android race, etc.

Therefore they would not be able to construct a body to hold the Professor's
personality.

Yasmin

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