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From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:  Premarrital sex, daemon, and law *&* PRE-M.Sex in Chinese Soc'ts
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:52:19 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.211409.27111@dsg.tandem.com>, leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
wrote:

* ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes:
*|>
*|> In article <Bt9B54.KB6.2@cs.cmu.edu>, Fred W. Au wrote:
*|> >........
*|> >In article <9208111854.AA02904@moe.optics.rochester.edu> Ng writes:
*|> >> ...
*|> >>Just wonering what people from Hong Kong, Mainland China as well as Taiwan
*|> >>think about this issue.  Both os us are pretty traditional and 
conservative
*|> >>So, we are against people to engage sex before marriage.
*     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*|> >>
*|> >sorry folk, i am at least an exception to your "we" and i enjoyed every
*|> >single second of it, and i am still a blood donor, ciao, back to _MY_
*|> >regular programming   8-P
*|>
*|> Oh well, since you like P.M.S, just have to say: Good Luck, to both you and
*                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*|> your sex-partner(s)!  Hope you are a person(delete) "SAFE" person!
*
*So, after all, you are not really "against people to engage sex before
*marriage," uh?
*
*Steven
*------

Hope you, netters, won't get confused about this article which includes 3
articles posted previously.

To answer Stephen Leung's question:
	I am against pre-marital sex, but at the same time, I respect the rights
of people like Fred Au also.  When you are against something, you don't really
have to argue with those who are for or even try to force them to follow
you.  Live your own life according to your own firm principles and they can
tell what's really good and what's bad for them.  I am not that radical.
This is America anyways!  We got the freedom to make our own choice.  
If your friend decides to do something or live the kind of lifestyle which is
different from your own, CAN'T YOU STILL REGARDLESSLY OFFER HIM/HER A WORD
OF ADVICE?

Hope you understand my standpoint, Stephen!  Thanks for reading.

Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
******************************************************************************
****************** STOP   THE   AIDS   EPEDEMIC ******************************
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Oops!....misspelled "EPIDEMIC"!
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: REPOST[***** NEED HELP: Events for C.S.A. ******]
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:53:00 GMT


Hello to all:

In article <Bt9ALq.JoB.2@cs.cmu.edu>, wkau+@cs.cmu.edu (Wing Keung F Au)
wrote:
#In article <9208171935.AA18228@moe.optics.rochester.edu>
ng@moe.optics.rochester
#.edu (Baldwin Ng) writes:
#> ...
#>the new President to organise some NEW and EXCITING events.  We really
#>want to see what kind of interesting activities other CSA's (both US & 
Canada)
#>have.
#> ...

#since pre-marital sex has been brought up, how is that?  8-)
#--
#
#                                    FRed W. Au
#                                    ...!cmu.edu!au+, au+@cmu.edu

WELL, I ASSUME THAT IT IS A JOKE, FRED!

Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: choi@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Choi Ho Yin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Help [information for a trip to New York]
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:23:23 GMT
Distribution: regional
Organization: INRS Telecommunications

A group of my friends are going to have a trip to N.Y. city early in September.
Could some one give us information about what we must visit, what we must not
go, where we can find good motel (but not too expensive) to stay, if there
is any kind of festival during the weekend of September 5-7 ?  Thanks in 
advance.  

Pls reply through E-mail

-----------
Johnny Choi
address :-  choi@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca
	    choij@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca

"There is no one on earth who does what is right all the time and 
  never makes a mistake."  --- Ecclesiastes Chap. 7, Verse 20
From: slb143c@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Immigration
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:31:46 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

China, my friend!
You can see how week the Australia government is! They can do nothing
about the economy crisis. Chinese are much more wiser, once the Chinese
government know what are the right thing to do (mean which is good for
their country), they can do it well.

Any comment welcome.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ibm01@acci.com.au (William Lo - Elvis? Why not?)
Subject: Re: Immigration
Keywords: USA, Canada, Australia
Organization: IBM Australia/Australian Computing and Communications Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:03:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.194420.5302@oracle.us.oracle.com>, kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.212857.17618@ttinews.tti.com> yao@perform1.tti.com (Yuhan Yao) writes:
|> >
|> >Many people in Hong Kong and mainland China want to immigrate to other
|> >countries.  The overwhelming favorites are the States, Canada, and Australia
|> >(not necessarily in that order).
|> >
|> >How are these three countries compare to each other?
|> >I'm interested in comparisons on all aspects of life, like material living
|> >standard, education, career opportunities, health, and so on.
|> >
|> >It's sad that we have to leave our hometown, in search of a better life.
|> >Well, which country is better?  and for what reasons?
|> >
|> >
|> >Yuhan Yao
|> 
|> My opinions only:
	
	Don't I know?

|> 
|> 	Pluses					Minuses


	You better shoulda put "+'s" and "-'s" here, or "The positives and
negatives".


|> 	------					-------
|> 
|> USA	You can always get what you want	Unsafe streets
|> 	if you're hardworking enough.

	
	Applies to the other 2 countries,	Not everywhere.
	too! 	

				
|> 						Inefficient health, legal
|> 	Least racial prejudice			systems


	If you ain't black... 			No comment. Everyone has
						to pay for health care and
						things either in one way or 
						the other. (in China, you do
						the same, realistic enough)


|> 
|> 	Wide array of lifestyle choices		Lack of cultural coherence,
|> 						feeling of belonging.


						It really depends on your
						adaptability, mate! Don't
						panic too much.

|> 
|> 						Ineffective government

						
						You mean George Bush's?
	
					
|> 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> Canada, Less crime.				Near-socialism!!!
|> Aust.
|> 	More coherent and widely agreed		Probably even more ineffective
|> 	values					government.

	
	Depends again, pretty subjective.	Wow, absolutely! But the 
						standards of living are still
						ok. Recession and unemplyment
						prevail, just down and out.
						"This is the recession we have
						to have!" Our PM(in Aust.) 
						claimed. Very brave guy huh?

|> 
|> 						Somewhat more racial
|>
 						prejudice.

						
						Nope, again, it depends. This
						would differ quite considerably
					 	in one person's eyes to anothers
						In mind(eyes), the aussies are
						really nice and easy going.


	So, what did anybody else say? 
	While I still prefer hongkong as my home as I always do(well, maybe I'm
too young to alter your decision!), but I'd suggest the BEST country to live in
seems to be Sweden - neither the US, nor Canada, nor anywhere else!
	Good on ya mate!

---Cheers,
	Bill

						
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9728 soc.culture.japan:6629 soc.culture.nepal:396
From: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Airticket for SALE-->Newark, NJ to Austin/Houston, 25 or 31Aug
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:22:24 GMT
Reply-To: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: parimal@dewey.cc.utexas.edu

I have two oneway  airtickets for sale from Newark, NJ to Austin, TX.

Tickets are on Continental Airlines for 25th & 31st of August, changeable at

$25. If you don't have luggage to check-in, these could be used for one

way travel to Houston also. Asking $75 each or best offer.

Call (512) 476-7134. E-mail : parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 

			      parimal@alpha.iat.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: thomasc@spider.wri.com (Thomas Chin)
Subject: Re: Premarrital sex, daemon, and law
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:00:43 GMT


John Chiu writes:
.
.
>I don't see pre-marital sex poses any big problem.  What I feel is that pure
>love in these days are just too hard to find.  Many can hardly find one during
>his/her whole life.  And so love/sex becomes some sort of substitute.  That's
>really depressing, but it is.  What can I say?

>Someone still hanging to seek a pure love,
>John Chiu

just a suggestion:  if you are to seek for pure love, forget everything you
just said in your article.  You have imposed too much conditions on a purely
emotional thing.  Pure love is between two persons, it is not bounded by any
morality and social standard.

another suggestion:  in general, practice pre-marital sex, seek for partners
with sex experiences, they would be much more dedicated lovers and would know
better in what they're doing.


--Tom

----------
<usual disclaimers apply>
From: kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Victor Kuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: aiwan@ucbvax.berkeley.edu soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.eduPRE-MARITCAL SEX in CHINESE SOCIETIES
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:53:20 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug14.190243.469@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>I think pre-marital sex exists in HK but it is not a big issue.
>If you read the Singaporean newspaper 'Strait times', they have
>a problem there.  The AVERAGE age for people to have their 1st
>sex is 19 in Singapore.
>

	Right... the leadership (government) in Singapore is
	very cautious about pre-marital sex or something
	related to that.

	Once Singaporean (students) get over here... that
	changes slightly... (for those youngsters who don't
	need to participate to military training).

>I did observe that oversea HK students tend to be more liberal
>and there is a lot of pre-marital sex going on among them.
>But in my time in high school, I haven't heard anything about
>it.
>
>George

	Even though now pre-marital sex is common in high school
	in Hong Kong (I don't mean that it is as common as here in
	the States. But certainly not rare) - not just oversea HK
	students..... afterall, it is just one of the things you
	have when you grow up...
-- 
*-----------
SonCheong Kuan				  kuan@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
Software Specialist
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:  Premarrital sex, daemon, and law
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:35:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Several days ago, a gentleman on the net asked a question about how to curb
premarrital sex.  I ponderred for a few days and finally came up with an idea.
But I had trouble making up my mind whether I should post it on the net
because this is really really heavy duty flame.  

Now, read on IF AND ONLY IF you think hard and believe you satisfy any one
of the following requirments.

1)  You are between the age of 19 and 25.
2)  You can take anything with a sense of humor.
3)  You can take anything very seriously that you will think more than half
    an hour to understand what I am really trying to convey before you flame
    back.




warning.

warning..

warning...

warning....

warning.....

warning......

warning.......

warning........



O.K.  The original question was that, I am paraphrasing, given that people are
engaging in premarrital sex with an alarming rate, what can we do about it.

Well, we can make a law that requires that all single men be put on a special
type of ring around their penises so that they hurt like hell when they have
an erection.  After all, you wouldn't have an erection if you don't think 
about anything that is perverted.  If you have a natural wet dream, great, 
there is a natural punishment for you.  You may file a petition to have
the ring removed when you register to be married.

For unmarried women, a little surgical procedure, required by law,  can solve 
the problem permanently.  After all, what do you need that black hole for?  
You may have your husband to untied it when you get married.

Then the whole world will be clean again.  The two things have ABSOLUTELY no
physical function before people get married.  So restrain them.  And let the 
Big Brother do the job.  If Big Brother bans abortion, he might just ban 
unethical sex all together as well.  Let the Big Brother takes care of it.

__________________________________

Remember, you can take the above comments either with a sense of humor, or
a profound political, economical, scientifical, philosophical, and 
whatahevarcal mind.

Comments welcomed. 

And, flame, flame, flame, flame, flame...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9892 soc.culture.taiwan:12037 soc.culture.china:23233
From: edwong@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Edward Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Chess Games on PC
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:12:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: hwong@tc.fluke.COM's message of 18 Aug 92 20:23:56 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 20:23:56 GMT, hwong@tc.fluke.COM (Yee Jyr Hwong) said:


>> Does anybody knows any good Chiness chess games on PC? If you do know 
>> one, who makes it and how much? Thanks in advance.

well, there is one call battle chess II.  you can find it in a lot of
software store.
--
8)
  _               _     | user's name:  Edward Wong
 |_ |\ \   / /\  |_) |\ | ARPA:     edwong@acs.bu.edu	
 |_ |/  \^/ /==\ | \ |/ | UUCP:     acs.bu.edu!edwong
From: gwang@uts.amdahl.com (George Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Friendship Club
Summary: Is this a some sort of dating service
	 Or Pen-pal service?
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:54:30 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug19.153343.58262@cc.usu.edu>, slbxk@cc.usu.edu writes:
> 
> 
>                CHINESE FRIENDSHIP CLUB
> 
>                    From the Editor
>            -------------------------------
> 
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
>      We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
> motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
> a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
> our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
> class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
> friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
> every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
> life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
> find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
> provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
> the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
> yet.
> 
>      Good luck to all of you, dear friends!
> 
> 
> 
>                                        Editor
> 
> 
>      P.S.
> 
>      For application form please send inquiring by E-mail.

Hmmmmm...........
	Is this a some sort of dating service?
	Or pen-pal service?

-George-
From: jt2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: GIF requests
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:58:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oeXos0O00WB3483m5o
Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

thought it was a good idea, since someone else did it.

Some very excellent gifs of Cheung Man, Joey Wang, and Kwan Tsi Ling
would be very much appreciated.

if available, I'll look for then at nok.lcs.mit.edu.  Thanks!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ksleung@ballade.cs.ucla.edu (Kwok-Shing Leung)
Subject: Re: Leaving Hong Kong
Originator: ksleung@ballade.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:09:24 GMT

In article <92220.230254LWLLG@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LWLLG@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>   Hi! guy...would anyone like to talk about what did you feel at the time you
>   left Hong Kong. (Either you felt good or bad) And what did the scence look
>   like, with joys, funs, tears, loneliness, or even more?
>
>
>   - Matt

That was July 17, 1990.  I felt lonely, a little bit homesick, but not sad.
After all, I made the decision to come here, looking for better education and
research opportunities.  But always in my mind is the desire to return home
some day to contribute to the place where I grew up.

I went to several nice places with my family the day before I left.  And the
images of blue sky, trams, the harbor, and the nightstyle of Hong Kong become
permanent in my memories.  Though memories have faded somehow, once in a while
I still think of the old songs, and old days at which things are so good.

By the way, my name is Hardy Leung.  Though I have been reading news for quite
a while, this is the first time I post news here.  I really like this newsgroup,
except that sometimes there are too many flames  :-/.  Hope that I can talk to
you often.


Yours sincerely,

Hardy, K.S. Leung

   
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Re: Performance Enchancing Drugs in Olympics
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 AUG 92 10:35:28 PST


In article <77548@ut-emx.uucp>, onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K2-2nd on Earth) writes...
>Drugs usage has once again plagued this year's Olympic.  A Chinese

In fact several other athletes, 2 from US, others from the Unified Team, Czech?
etc. also tested positive.  I think the total is around 7 or so.  Which is
still way lower than in Seoul, where 12 or more tested positive.  

>I personally do not preclude the possibility that those Chinese female
>swimmers have used steriod.  I just don't understand that why mandatory
>testing is not enforced in swimming and some other events?

The reason why mandatory testing is not carried out for all swimmers is because
it is too much admin headache and cost to test everyone.  Conceivably you want
to only test the top finishers.  That way the medals will never fall into the
wrong hands.  The US swimmer who lost to Zhuang of China complained that Zhuang
was not tested.  The rule is that only 2 of the top 5 finishers (heat time) 
before the final will be tested.  Zhuang lucked out.  (She tested on herself
several days later and was cleared - but then of course you can beat the tests
by staying off the drug long enough before the game.)  But the irony is that
the reason not all the top finishers are tested is because of US team protests
in the 70s.  At that time they dominated all swimming events and they
complained about their swimmers being tested all the time.  Hence the 2/5 rule. 
Now, they are no longer dominating, and they complain.

>You must remember Ben Johnson.  He was tested postive after he beat Carl 
>Lewis in 100m in 1988.  I kind of respect him though.  He was competing 
>again in Barcelona.  It really takes a lot of courage to do that. 

But as a person I am not sure.  He hit a Olympic village volunteer the last day
of the Games and was ejected from the dorm.  He's got problems, still.  And he
did not even make the final this time.

Charles
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: To all Wah Yan past students
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:27:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug12.210347.5468@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec1.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:
>this year's hkcee, we have three 10As!
>
>pete


WYK or WYHK? 

Anyway, as a old Wah Yan boy, I am quite proud that our "younger brothers"
are still doing great.  

Ray
-- 
Raymond K. Wong                                 
E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: GIF Picture Postings - alau03.gif, lchan01.gif, ylchan01.gif
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:02:52 GMT

Hello all. I've just posted 3 pictures to the newsgroups
alt.binaries.picture and alt.binaries.pictures.misc.

The pictures are: alau03.gif = Andy Lau
                  lchan01.gif = Lee Chan
                  ylchan01.gif = Chan Yuk Lin

The files will be uploaded to the ftp site (nok.lcs.mit.edu) by Alan
soon.

Special thanks to Stephen Hui for contributing his files.

Enjoy!

Thomas.
From: bus753mb2@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Friendship Club
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:16:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia


In article <1992Aug19.153343.58262@cc.usu.edu>, slbxk@cc.usu.edu writes:
Hello Friends

If you get me, please mail me more details about your friendship club

> 
> 
>                CHINESE FRIENDSHIP CLUB
> 
>                    From the Editor
>            -------------------------------
> 
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
>      We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
> motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
> a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
> our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
> class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
> friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
> every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
> life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
> find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
> provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
> the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
> yet.
> 
>      Good luck to all of you, dear friends!
> 
> 
> 
>                                        Editor
> 
> 
>      P.S.
> 
>      For application form please send inquiring by E-mail.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: zuo@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Li Zuo)
Subject: HK visa
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:48:18 GMT

Can someone tell me the address and phone number of the office for applying
HongKong travel visa ? Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: aiwan@ucbvax.berkeley.edu soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.eduPRE-MARITCAL SEX in CHINESE SOCIETIES
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:02:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I think pre-marital sex exists in HK but it is not a big issue.
If you read the Singaporean newspaper 'Strait times', they have
a problem there.  The AVERAGE age for people to have their 1st
sex is 19 in Singapore.

I did observe that oversea HK students tend to be more liberal
and there is a lot of pre-marital sex going on among them.
But in my time in high school, I haven't heard anything about
it.

George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong