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From: RH.RST@forsythe.stanford.edu (Bob Topor)
Subject: Sparkie (and her owners) need help
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:13:51 GMT

Our dog Sparkie needs help! She is a Yorkie-Poodle (quite small).
Her problem is FLEAS. I swear this dog can attract fleas from the
next county. In fact, I believe fleas actually bus in from other
states to hop on her.

When we lived in colder climates (NY, NJ, and Ohio) she did not seem
to have the problem she has here in California. We have tried all
sorts of powders, sprays and even home remedies (diluted Listerine).

We (and Sparkie) are getting desperate. What do you recommend?

-Bob Topor (on behalf of Sparkles)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dying
From: bmann@desire.wright.edu
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:22:54 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

This is to Martyn, whose dog, Moose, is declining quickly with cancer:

Martyn - All of us who have had to go through this sort of thing feel
very deeply for you.  It's incredibly difficult to make the decision
to let your old friend go peacefully.  I have one piece of practical
advice for you - have your dog euthanized at home.  If your current
vet won't do it, find one who will.  When I had to put my old Airedale
down in January, my vet came to the house - saving both me and Barley
the trauma of having to go to the veterinary hospital for this already
traumatic experience.  If you can manage it, be there with him and hold
him while he goes.  It will help your own grieving process if you know
you stayed with him til the end.  Then give yourself time and 
permission to grieve over your loss.  Lots of us are thinking of you.

- Barbara Mann, bmann@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: New dog on short notice...
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:52:27 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <ldp83vINNi0a@news.bbn.com> wsadkin@bbn.com writes:
> she has no concept of the danger from vehicles, and apparently never has.
> She has been on a flexi-lead all her life, and will routinely run right into
> the road without regard to oncoming traffic, particularly when excited.  So
> far, I have managed to haul her back out of harms's way, but I live on a 
> fairly busy road, and I'm constantly worried about my reaction time.  
> Anyone have any suggestions about how to deal with either problem?

It is not difficult to train a dog to stay out of the street *ON* leash
(off-leash - reliably - is a different story).  Every time she steps off the
curb, immediately correct her, & praise her for staying on the curb (etc.,
etc., etc).  My 3 mo old puppy (who is not trained to do anything else reliably
yet) walks on a flex-lead every day & she *WILL* sniff *Right Up To* the curb,
but she won't step off the curb until I say "OK".  Of course, I wouldn't try
this off-lead yet, but its useful enough for her to be reliable on-lead.

I think the idea isn't to teach her to be afraid of *cars*, but rather to teach
her that *streets* are completely off-limits EXCEPT under your direct command
authorizing her to proceed.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Austrailian Terrier
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:48:37 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <BvrFJw.BDs@Novell.COM> steve_olson@npd.novell.com writes:
>Are there any Australian Terrier owners out there? 
>Do these dogs shed? How are they as house pets around
>children?
>Will they kill rabbits or chase sheep?

Well, Steve, an Aussie might chase a  sheep, but at only 10 inches
high, I'm not sure what he will do if he catches it!
Aussies were bred as efficient ratters and house pets from a mixture of 
Terrier breeds, including the Dandie Dinmont. Aussies are good watch dogs, in
as much as they yap alot (at me & my Newfs at dog shows, anyway). Should make
an excellent pet: sturdy, easy to groom, intelligent, and maybe a bit scrappy.

-- 

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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:47:36 GMT

Chris Barnes writes:
> [in Virginia in 1991] HSUS made legal manuevers in court to stop
> the hunt on the grounds that hunting was cruel to the deer

Thanks for the info.  A useful fact to know.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kckbxr@next17pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood)
Subject: Re: Cruelty to animals in VA?   Long, but important.
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:19:48 GMT

In article <16880789B.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu  
(Chris Barnes) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.034454.6476@wam.umd.edu>
>    kckbxr@next07wor.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) writes:
>  
> >I found this article in last Saturday's edition (10/10/92) of the
> >Washington Post.  It's a fairly long article, so I'll leave out some of
> >the non-essential quotes and stuff.  I thought it was an *interesting*
> >article and was curious to what the reaction was about this from
> >everybody.  Here goes:
> >
> >   " Bear Chasing Season Hounded by Allegations of Endangerment
> >            (by D'Vera Cohn - Wash. Post staff writer)
>  
>  
> Please take this discussion to talk.politics.animals (or whatever
> the "official" name of the group is.  It doesn't belong here!

It's quite obvious you responded prior to reading the article.  Had you  
read the article you would've found out that the topic of "cruelty to  
dogs" was also present.  The "cruelty" that I am referring to is the  
senseless attacks on dogs by these bears.  Before flaming somebody about  
not "belonging here" take the time out to read ALL of the information  
presented to make an educated and informed decision.  Thanks.

bill
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,news.answers
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Questions about Collies
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:39:55 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1992Oct16.154019.19043@menudo.uh.edu> st1pt@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
> 1) Do collies get along with horses?  I had a friend (who had a colie 
> and some horses) tell me that collies were too high-strung and
> tended to get real excited and scare the horses. Is this true or
> doesit depend on the individual dog and/or horse?

balderdash!  Where I grew up (upper midwest of usa) most sheep farmers had
collies to help with herding the sheep, & almost all of them had horses, too. 
In fact, a lot of times, both collies & horses would be used to herd sheep
(riding the horses, of course).  Collies are GREAT sheep dogs.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with neighbors!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:54:48 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Sorry to post this to everyone, but I couldn't find the original post.
It *is* possible to extend a chain link fence...though I wouldn't
invite a zoning inspector to approve my efforts...

I desperately needed to make my fence taller. Thieves had come over it
once, my dog jumped/climbed it several times to play with the new dog
next door. It was poor, and didn't have much time.  It's a 5'
chainlink, with redwood slats in it.

I bought an 8' redwood 2x2 for each metal fence pole, and attached them
to the existing metal poles with hose clamps, like for the car
radiator. I got a 50' rolls of 2' wide fencing, heavy wire with 2"x3"
grid. I got 1x2's, long enough to reach between the uprights, a top and
bottom rail.  I cut the fencing into sections, stapled it to the rails
with heavy hammer-in staples, drilled holes in the uprights and
crossrails, and fastened them together with bolts.

Took half a day, didn't cost a whole lot. The dog couldn't possibly get
over it. Yeah, it's a little rickety, but I think that makes it HARDER
to get over, not easier. I've seen kids climb 10' chain link. This
would give anyone the immediate impression that they're about to fall
on their backside. And, it's not even ugly, I thought it would be, but
it's certainly no worse than the chain link! A few more vines grow on
up there, it'll mellow right out.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: DogWorld article on NSDTR
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:46:53 GMT


For those of you who believe that the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
is not celebrated enough, the October '92 issue of DogWorld has a
chatty story of the authors positive experience with a female NSDTR.

Wm.

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    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
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    Fish on the Byte
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Supply Info
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:21:31 GMT

In article <24471@sybase.sybase.com> tat@sybase.com (tatman) writes:
>Any kind soul out there has the addr/phone# for Tritronics and RC Steele?
>I am trying to get a catalog for these two suppliers products.

R.C Steele
1989 Transit Way
Box 910
Brockport, NY  14420-0910

1-800-872-3773
1-716-637-1408

I thought perhaps it was time to post this again.  And I still don't own
stock in the company or work there...I just want to keep them in
business so Kelsey and I can go out there every month or so and spend
lots of money. ;-)

Robbin
From: norteman@tnpubs.enet.dec.com (Karen Norteman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:07:40 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


We Beardie people are used to it.  "Oh, look, a little Old English Sheepdog!"
It doesn't irritate me, though, since people seem to find sheepdogs of any
kind irresistible, and they all just HAVE to pat the shaggy dog.  So far
Duncan doesn't have any complaints, just so long as they keep piling on the
admiration... for whatever breed they think he is.

--Karen Norteman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
norteman@tnpubs.enet.dec.com
From: lynette@oliver.sun.ac.za (Lynette Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Potential first time Dog owner - questions, etc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:11:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Oct14.131125.22658
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

> but don't get two puppies at the same time.  They'll form a pack
> and exclude you ....

Well, my experience was different.  Both hubby and myself are dog
lovers, but were flat dwellers for quite some time.  So, when we
bought our first house, the second thing(?) we bought was a dog.
However, we both work quite long hours, and she drove me totally
mad, requiring LOTS of attention and play every night (she's a
Ridgback, and VERY playful).  So, after 4 days of this, I went out
and got her a friend to keep her company while we are at work.  He
is a Golden Labby.  We established definite owner patterns with the
two dogs, the Ridgback being mine and the Labby belonging to hubby.
Anyway, it made all the difference in the world to her, and we 
NEVER had any pack-forming problems.  And they get into less 
mischief if they have a friend to play with than when they are all
alone and bored the whole day long.

I must add though, that we give them LOTS of attention every night
and every weekend.  So, I guess if you get two dogs and neglect them,
you may find that they team up against you.  But I will definitely
recommend two puppies - I think it is quite unfair to get a dog and
keep it all alone the whole day long (although a lot of people will
probably shoot me for saying it).

Lynette 

*---------------------
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* Stellenbosch
* lynette@cs.sun.ac.za
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From: massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey)
Subject: Re: Tracking
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:29:50 GMT

Kathleen:  When you get his name would you PLEASE pass it on to me.
I live in Omaha, NE but we are planning to retire in the Kerrville,
San Antonio, Austin area within the next 18 months.  IF I find a job
before that, I will be moving earlier.  My husband is retiring from
the Air Force after 20 years and we are VERY anxious to move back
closer to home.  I would be willing to go down to train with him
with my male Weimaraner that is almost 3 yrs old.
            I have a friend in Marion,TX who is interested in 
tracking...if you'd like her name as a contact, Gayle may know who
the man is in Kerrvilee--I'll ask her.

I have used tennis balls on the track before for motivation 
instead of food when Guapo was have some digestive track problems
after a siege of giarrardia (sp).  Also, my tracking instructor
used "pupparoni" which is a doggie treat from the grocery store
that looks like pepparoni sticks.  She cuts them in hunks--don't
know why the ants don't bother that, but she says that works for 
her.

Dana Massey
massey@cwis.unomaha.edu
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs in Pick Up Trucks AGAIN
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:17:06 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> I have no idea how to deal with these idiots - at least not until they've
> lost a dog or had their dog maimed through this sort of accident.  If you
> must put your dog in the back of a pick-up, be sure that it is in a
> crate that is secured securely!!!


What if you manage to get their licence plate number and report it to the
police...or the S.P.C.A.? I know whenever I catch somebody getting away with
doing really stupid things in a car, I report it. It may not get immediate
action, but it WILL be on record.

Is a crate the only option? I saw a gadget at the store that looked
promising...it had two clamps that attached one on each side of the edge of
the truck, connected by a taut, heavy nylon strap. The strap had a ring in
the center and the idea was to clip the harnessed dog to this ring. The dog
could stand, sit or lie down, but was held completely centered in the back of
the truck with no way of falling out.

Obviously this doesn't offer any protection if the truck should roll, also no
protection from the wind, tho' maybe the cab and sides of the truck would
block the wind sufficiently?


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or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca         Until I met a man who had no feet.
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From: hunsaker@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Humane Society Dogs
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:33:06 GMT
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison

I, too, got my dog at the Dane County Humane Society shelter!
She's my first dog and I adopted her May 8th.  She'd been
picked up as a stray two weeks before.
Evidently she'd been a stray for awhile because her coat was
all dirty and matted when I first saw her and she was a bit
thin.  She seemed so sweet tho, I couldn't resist getting her.
I haven't regretted it.  She is very sweet, gentle and loving.
Her main problem has been anxiety attacks when I'm gone but 
she's gotten much better recently.  She loves to cuddle next 
to me on the couch, loves all humans, cats and other dogs
(altho my 3 cats haven't reciprocated just yet--but that's
coming!).
Sadie is a buff-colored Cocker mix, possibly a cockapoo, and
people, especially in my Obedience classes, are always 
commenting on how her tail is always wagging!  She's well
house-trained altho there were(are!) occasional accidents which
I understand is to be expected from a dog that's had so many
stressful changes in its' life.
All in all, if I could go back to the day I first saw her, 
knowing exactly what problems I would have with her, I wouldn't
decide any differently.  I couldn't have gotten a more perfect
first dog if I'd special-ordered her!!  She's an absolute delight
to have around!

Shirley and Sadie
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Help: Bedtime growling
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:33:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.191431.18897@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson) writes:
>
>Anyway, our dog typically falls asleep on the couch
>before my bedtime (I'm watching TV on the couch).  We try to get her up
>to move her (by picking her up.  I typically reach
>in and touch her tummy area) and she GROWLS at us.  More recently,
>she's been trying to SNAP at us also.  At first, I thought
>it may be because she wasn't quite awake yet.  But I noticed
>since then that she does this when she is awake.  I haven't 
>tried alpha rolling her yet becuase of her sleeping position
>it makes it hard to do anything very swiftly (i.e, I'm watching my
>hand so she won't bite me).  This behavior
>is swiftly getting unacceptable.  I think I should be able to
>get her up off the couch.   This is the
>most agressive behavior we've seen from her.
>
>Any suggestions?  Should we not try to pick her up and try something
>else?
>
>Is this just a case where we're not showing her
>who the boss really is?

It sounds like that may be the problem.  However, I personally
wouldn't recommend doing an alpha roll here, since she's already shown
a propensity toward aggression.  Instead, I'd quit trying to force her
off the couch for a while.  During that time, I'd start doing
obedience with her on a regular basis.  It doesn't have to be anything
formal - make her sit or lie down for treats, reinforce recalls, etc.
Do this routinely to establish a good owner-dog relationship where you
both get used to you telling her what to do.

After a reasonable amount of time, I'd then start calling her from the
couch rather than trying to pick her up.  If she still doesn't respond
appropriately, I'd continue the obedience.  Eventually, I'd set up a
situation where I could mimic the couch problem, but have the means to
correct her without a lot of physical contact.  Say, leave on a
training collar and leash, let her fall asleep in the normal place,
then give her a good leash correction when she doesn't get off the
couch when you call.  Patience and persistence are the keys.

BTW, I'd be snappy if someone tried to pick me up when I was asleep.
Have you ever tried just calling her?

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: sheffiel@bobcat.lmc.edu (Susie Sheffield )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Books on Pet Loss
Keywords: Pet Loss
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:33:33 GMT
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC


Does anyone know of any good books on Pet Loss.  I have just recently
had to put my dog of fourteen years to sleep and I have been told there
are books but I have been unable to find any.

Thank you,

Susie  
**************************************************
Susie Sheffield
Business Administration
Lees-McRae College         sheffiel@bobcat.lmc.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:53:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.172220.15231@informix.com>
davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
 
>In article <1687A7FBE.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu
>	(Chris Barnes) writes:
>>
>>Huh?  Labs are first and foremost, dogs.  Dogs, all dogs, will have
>>a tendancy at some level to be protective (at least of themselves).
>>Dogs don't see a big differance between barking & growling
>>& biting; to them they are all a means to accomplish the same goal.
>
>Whoa, Nellie!  A dog doesn't see a difference between barking and biting?
>You can't be serious!  Nature does not work that way.  There is a BIG
>difference between barks, growls, whines, bites, body position (aka body
>language), etc..  It is, in fact, humans who arbitrarily assign all types
 
 
Let me clarify.  Of course dogs know the difference in barking,
growling biting, etc.  It's their language.  A dog (or almost any
animal for that matter) will (usually) prefer to use the least amount
of force required to protect it's environment, obviously - it is less
dangerous to itself.  But a dog that is protective will not place a
different morality on biting than it does on barking/growling/
raising the hair on the back of their neck.  IMHO, *this* really what
we are talking about.  When Liza says she gives correction to her dogs
for biting (for any reason), she is imposing her since of morality on
the dogs - but the dogs didn't have it to start with (note: I'm not
saying Liza is wrong for doing it, she certainly has a right to do
that if she wants).
 
>
>On a lighter note, we know that there is a difference in barks by watching
>Lassie reruns:
 
I liked it....very cute!  :-)
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From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 3-Legged Frisbee dog!
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:36:01 EST

In article <1992Oct8.154720.996@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke) writes:
> I sat at my terminal this morning debating.  On the one hand, 
> I figure no-one really cares about my dog's triumphs but me, and on the 
> other, many others have bragged over thier dogs here.

...stuff deleted

> 	Last weekend, we attended another compitition, and Jake and I took
> Third place!  Not bad for the second time out of the barn, Hum?

Thanks for taking the time to share that!  What a great story!  Congratulations
to you and Jake.  And by the way,  I think it would be more cruel not to go
out and compete with him.  If he hardly notices it, then what difference does
it make?

Kim
From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Stool-Eating (yuk)
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:12:27 GMT

In article <HANNAH.92Oct8093642@pomponio.ai.sri.com>, 
hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.192444.312@news.wesleyan.edu> 
RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>>My cocker pup (ahem, pardon me) thinks that poop is a delicacy.  

>Living in the country, I figure that this behavior falls into the
>category of "can't be cured, must be endured".  People look at me
>funny, though, when I forget myself and refer to our dog in public by
>one of his private nicknames---Turd.  (I tell him, "you are what you
>eat".)

I had to comment that I once knew a young Chesapeake Bay retriever bitch, 6
months old at the time, whose nickname was Turd Burglar.  Great girl otherwise!

Katie