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From: kmill@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Kent Milligan)
Subject: RB Status?? - Butts or Watters
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:51:51 GMT
Reply-To: kmill@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester Mn

Based on the recent Watter's posting, I'd have to bet that Watters will not be playing or
be needed against the lowly Buccaneer's this weekend.  Anyone think this a bad assumption?  My
next choice for FFL at RB is Marion Butts, but he is a little banged up as well for the
Chargers.  Any word on whether he'll play this weekend against the Raiders?  He a good game
last time out against the Raiders.  Who do you West Coast fans has a better chance at playing
- Watters or Butts?  My only other RB for FFL is Culver of the Colts and I'd not real excited
about playing him!  









-- 
Kenton Milligan
IBM Rochester, Database Management
kmill@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
GO VIKES!!
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dominant Teams of the Nineties
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:48:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Here's who I see dominating over the next decade:

Cowboys- they're young and talented.  Very little holes to fill.
Steelers- they need some help at WR, maybe another pass rusher but otherwise
	  should be strong for a while.
San Fran- so what else is new?
Minnesota- some help on the O line, a decent QB and they're set.
Packers- another WR to compliment Sharpe, some help with the O line.

This doesn't include major overhauls resulting from coaching changes (like
with the case of the Vikings this year).

Anyone like to add to this?


satish nair
giants (5-11 in '92)
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From: floyd@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Floyd Thomas)
Subject: Playoff Picture - The Real Story
Keywords: playoff
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:52:35 GMT

with all the fans getting excited about getting in the playoff and
who plays who this is it. (check today's USA Today for tie breakers)

First all teams are given a seeding (like any tournement) exept that
the brackets are not firm.  Normally, team 1 plays team 8 and the
winner of that game goes on to play the winner of the team 3 vs team 6
set up a final of team 1 vs team 2.  The NFL "brackets" are dynamic
which means that after the first round, the teams keep their seeds
and play continues with the top seed playing the lowest seed.  Divisional
Champs always have a higher seed than Wild Cards in spite of their record
e.g. N.O. will be a lower seed than Minn despite a better record.


NFC example (who cares about the afc) If play ended today.
	Wash has beaten Philly so they are seeded high even though they 
	have the same record.

SF(1) Dallas(2) Minn(3) NO (4) Wash(5) Philly(6)

SF and Dallas have first round bye's

Round 1 Philly(6) at Minn(3) and Wash(5) at NO(4)
Round 2 lowest seed round 1 winner(Philly, Wash, or NO) at SF 
	 (Minn can not play SF yet because they would be seed 3)

        best seed (Wash,NO, or Minn) at Dallas
	 (as the lowest seed Philly can not play Dallas yet)

Championship: Lowest Seed(Dallas) at Highest Seed (SF)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
Subject: "Neon" Deion
Reply-To: kellywh@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:13:00 GMT

I'm pretty new to this newsgroup (volume's too great!), but...

I'll give credit to Deion Sanders for two things: 1) he's an
*extremely* dangerous kick returner, and 2) his speed makes him
a very good pass-coverage man (he can recover from his mistakes).
But am I alone in thinking that he is a terribly over-rated tackler?
I'll admit that I'm a Saints fan-atic, but I live close enough to
Atlanta to see a *lot* of Falcons games, and I've seen him TIME-AFTER-
TIME shy away from taking on an RB one-on-one, or wait until two or
three guys slow down a runner before he sort of slaps and pushes his
his way into an assist.  Granted, I've also seen him lay a pretty
good lick on somebody to knock him out of bounds, too, but that's
*far* less often.  All I'm saying is I wish the TV announcers would
stop ooh-ing and ahh-ing at a play during which he in fact wimps out.

I'm not saying that I think he's gutless - hell, anybody who's only
180 or 190 *should* pick and choose who he takes on, I'm just saying
let's not make him more than he is.

*puts on flame retardant suit*
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mjmcgee@bmerh136.bnr.ca (Mark McGee)
Subject: 10 reasons why the Raiders suck
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:17:52 GMT

Having been a Raider fan for 27 years I have come to the conclusion
that the Raiders suck big time and no longer warrant my support. I
consider myself to be a consummate sport fan and so I do not relinquish
my support lightly ( I'm still a Maple Leaf fan).

The Monday night game against the Dolphins was the worst exhibition
of football I have ever seen. The disgrace is just too much to bear.

Here are my top 10 list of things the Raiders have to do in order to
get their team to resemble a sporting franchise.

1.  Move back to Oakland
2.  Get a new owner
3.  Get a new head caoch
4.  Get an intelligent/experienced offensive co-ordinator
5.  Develop an actual offensive game plan
6.  Stop employing people with drug problems
7.  Join the scouting combine
8.  Stop trading draft picks
9.  Trade Marcus Allen and let him resume his career
10. Stop allowing RAP DUDES to use the team emblem

If someone out there can give me any good reason to be a
Raider fan ( besides Raiderettes ) I 'd like to hear it.
Help me... I'm considering becoming a Dallas Cowboy Fan!!!!!


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:30:11 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles Squeak Past Seattle in OT.
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bz85Co.FGr
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Eagles beat the Sea-Hawks ....  20-17... in OT.
Seattle scared the hell out of Eagles and their fans.:-)

S.H
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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: Those in my pool
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:34:15 GMT

For those of you who have expressed interest or actually placed wagers    
with me, I recently stated that I would not be at my E-mail address for
much longer.  As it turns out, I will be able to access my account during
my winter break (which was the reason I couldn't access it).  So therefore
I will still be available.  Thanx for your interest, and remember, at least 
2 weeks left to enter.


_________________________________________________________________________
The World Reknown Jason Boskey         | Mail:  Bosk@uiuc.edu           |
Known throughout the world as the Bosk |  "Christ you know it ain't easy|
All Rights Reserved, All Lefts Enhanced|   You know how hard it can be  |
                                       |   The way things are going     |
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:00:06 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Mirer stinks plus NFL agreement! (Was: Re: Waitin' Until Next Year)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: world,local
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:00:28 CST
Keywords: draft, prediction, bold

In article <11DEC199214340648@pierre.mit.edu> kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
>
>No way! Mirer stinks! The only reason that people talk about Mirer at all is 
>that he went to Publicity U, Notre Dame. If he were a quarterback at Ohio 
>State, no one would be even considering him for the NFL, much less a 1st round 
>pick and possibly the first quarterback taken next year in the "draft". 

Actually, Mirer is good, and went to the wrong school to become a premier
passer.  Had he gone down to say West Lafayette, or over to Champaign
(gasp!), his numbers would be quite amazing.  My guess is that the NFL
scouts still see him as the top prospect coming out, but like I said, it is
"my guess".

Besides his obvious passing skills, Mirer apparantly is one of the
strongest people to play behind the center.  I saw bench press numbers in
the 350 pound range, and I don't think they were a joke.  With the way
current QB's are getting hit, strength just may be factor to consider.

>It does appear that a draft will occur next year. I read in today's USA Today. 
>This is what it involves:
>
>1) Each club can name one "franchise" player a year to be exempted from free 
>   agency for which the player would be assumed 120% of his last year's salary 
>   or the average of the top five salaries at his position. Players after five 
>   years in the league would get free agency.

Is this a floating average?  If this is a top five player, he then signs
higher, the average goes up, ...  - see where I'm headed?

>	Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"

Well, I wondered what was going on... :^)  :^)
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:10:11 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikings win second to last game...
Date: 20 Dec 1992 21:03:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

>I will now expain :-) how I follow the vikes 2nd to last games (not that I'm entirely
>100% absolutley sure in case someone looks it up). About 6 years ago the Vikes
>were playing the Oilers in the second to last game of the season and needed the
>win to make the playoffs. They were playing great and Houston had a shitty year.
>The spread is vikes +6 at Houston, I head to tahoe and put $3400 on the vikes. The
>game isn't on TV so I'm waiting for scores and the first I see are Houston 24 Vikes 0.

>Ever since them it seems the Vikes screw up the 2nd to last game of the year. Can't
>wait to bet Pittsburgh.

suds
	

	Gosh, hope you didnt bet the farm dude, cause you wouldve
	lost BIG TIME! Minnesota beats Pittsburgh 6-3. BOOM.

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Aikman admits to fumble?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7515C2A5E02700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:31:22 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:29:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.015050.4519@wam.umd.edu> Dixie Cup,
loffit@wam.umd.edu writes:
>Can anyone in Dallas confirm this?  I heard on the radio that a Dallas
>TV station interviewed Aikman and when asked about the fumble Aikman said
>he was jerking his arm back and the ball was knocked out of his hand. 
Can
>anyone confirm this?  I just think it's kind of odd that Aikman didn't
argue
>with the refs about the call even if he thought it was a fumble.  By not
>arguing, he may have inadvertently made the refs think he really fumbled
>when they were unsure.  Also, anyone see the KC game?  Something similar
>happened.  The Patriots knocked the ball out of Craig's hand while it
looked
>like he started moving his arm forward.  It was ruled a fumble.  What is
>the exact rule anyway?  Does the QB have to simply be moving his arm
forward,
>or does his arm have to pass his head, or does the ball have to leave
his hand
>for it to be an incomplete pass when the ball is knocked away by a
defender?
>I've heard all three so far.  It's not really important, but I just want
to
>know if the refs are calling these things consistently.  Thanks for any
>answers folks.

	I saw both and can honestly say I wasn't sure about the Aikman "fumble"
because of the lone camera angle.  The Craig fumble (no quotes) left his
hand before his arm started foreward which makes it a fumble.  I cannot
quote the rule, but if a QB's arm starts foreward in an attempt to pass
the ball before he loses it, it is ruled incomplete.  The Aikman case
would have to do with his holding onto the ball and losing while on the
backstroke (for lack of a better word) of his arm motion.  I felt that
was a questionable, but not necessarily wrong, call.  The "fumble" by
Smith, on the same play, was wrong.  Do we need instant replay?  Probably
not.

I'd also like to hear from people who may have heard the Aikman statement

FRANK

__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
Rypien:12-for-29, 144 yard, 0 TD, 1 INT
Aikman: 23 for 35, 245 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT

please correct my numbers if necessary
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From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:35:40 CST

In article 2829@cnsvax.uwec.edu, jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu () writes:
>I know that a lot of you people think I am some new asshole who is posting just
>because the packers have one 5 games in a row.  Well, this is untrue.  I only
>posted because I can actually feel the desperation in the postings of Vikings
>fans and think it is truly funny.  I figured I would rip on their team and
>hopefully get a few MUDDUCKS pissed at me.  I don't care.  I live only 75 miles
>away from Minnesota (Land of 10000 puddles) and have had to listen to all the
>MUDDUCKS tell me how great the Vikings were after the overtime 23-20 victory in
>week one.  Well now we're possibly looking at a much bigger game in week 17. 
>Look out MUDDUCKS, we're gonna get ya!!!
>
>HERE'S TO THE 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION GREEN BAY PACKERS.
>
>p.s. All you MUDDUCKS who say it was a long time since the Pack won one of
>those world championships, I have but one thing to say:
>0-4 in the Super Bowl...Nuff Said



Hey fellow Packer Backers, let's save the woofing and the Viking flaming until
after the game in week 17.  We have all seen how all the other woofers have had to
eat their words.  I would rather Packer fans continue to display the 'class' that
has been reflected in posts all season long.  Hopefully we will continue to get
our pleasure from victories on the field and not by belittling other teams fans.

Call me superstitious, but I have yet to see a team win a game after their fans
let the victories go to their heads and their 'mouths'.
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:50:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)