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From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls Yea Pistons No
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:59:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.175935.10694
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes:

>Tonight a strong balance of players all contributed to a Bulls win over a
>recently feisty LA Clippers club at the Stadium. BJ Armstrong had 20 points,
>one of his best efforts, easily breaking down his old rival Gary Grant on the
>full court press and driving to the bucket like a good point guard should. the
>Clippers look strong under Larry Brown. Manning is playing a strong game,
>hitting his jumpers (we knew he could do that) and pounding the boards (we
>were not so sure about that until recently) and Harper looks healthy and
>strong at small forward, driving to the hole and creating real problems with
>matchups. But, in the end, there was just too many talented Bulls rotating in
>and playing well, esp. Scott Williams who looked real good.
> 
>On the other hand, the Pistons got utterly destroyed 119-85 and Ledell Eckles
>looked like he had a field day out there. When the Bulls win impressively and
>the Pistons lose by 34 points on the same day, that day was a very good day.
>Maybe these two teams can meet again, and the Bulls get out the brooms for
>another sweep. Pistons would probably just walk off the court refusing to
>shake hands, once again. 


How about Bulls NO!!!! Pistons YES!!!!

Da Bulls got beat at the Boston Garden, and the Pistons just beat the
Heat by a 24-point margin.  That's a turn of events!

You spoke too soon!  The day I am talking about is an even better day!

Gary Blickhan

Go Pistons!
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Tim Perry question.
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <1992Apr8.070425.8991@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au> vince@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Vince Stanton) writes:
>I've been watching now for 3 years, and don't remember seeing
>or hearing anything about Tim Perry. I believe this is his
>third year, all with the Suns? He really has impressed me with
>his court coverage and leaping ability ( who said i am easily
>impressed ). I'd just like some raw data, like where he came
>from( uni, growing-up, etc. ), and is he likely to improve
>because as I said, I don't recall him from last year and he looks
>good to me.

The Suns took him as the 7th pick overall (4 picks ahead of Dan Majerle,
greatest player in the NBA) in the '87? draft.  He always had the athletic
ability (great leaper and quick as snot) and played fairly solid defense,
just looked lost on the offensive end.  It turns out that Cotton was a
little hard on the guy and he doesn't respond to agressive coaching.  So,
when Cotton let up, Perry played with less pressure and look what happened.
If I recall, Perry didn't start playing any bball until his senior year
of high school.  So he didn't get those years iof experience many of
todays players had, which is another reason why it might have taken so
long to mature.
--
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koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: h0j1297@summa.tamu.edu (BURT J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: A new Statistic
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:16:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I think it would be neat to have a new statistic, let's call it::

"True Field Goal Percentage"

Let's say a person shoots 3-10.  But in the process goes to the line 6 times
and makes 4 shots.  Then his true FG% is 50%.  (2 free throws = 1 fgm).  Now,
one must be careful and not take into account free throws that are non-shooting
fouls caused by teams being in the penalty.  This may be confusing, but it
would really show the "true field goal percentage."  I wonder who would be
the leader in this category????

Burt
From: littaum@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Tark takes over Spurs
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:15:05 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

In article <OLIVER.92Apr15175850@coate.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>Yikes!  I mean,  . . . 
>
>I want to take this opportunity to say SHUT UP to all of you
>Tarkanian bashers out there.  Jerry has, um, always been my favorite coach
>and I see nothing but good things for the Spurs.
>
>Jerry Tarkanian is the salt of the earth, a fine human being and educator,
>and a exemplary citizen.
>
>(It isn't possible for an NBA team to go on probation, is it?)
>
How many years does Tark have coaching a professional basketball team?  I mean,
besides his years at UNLV. :)  But I agree with you, Tark is certainly a good
choice.  Much better, than, say, Mike Schuler. Or Bill Musselman.  Man could
he throw a fit.
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laker Injuries
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:46:48 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

In article <1992Apr8.072542.1158@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>(Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>>Why would any laker fan want them to make the playoffs?
>
>Because I like to see them win whenever they can.
>Because the longest active streak of making the playoffs is not something
>that I like to see end.
>Because the "scrubs" deserve it for their hard work when the stars went
>down.
>
>>They have a mediocre team this year and will jsut get hammered in the play
>>offs.
>
>So will 14 other teams that are not called The Bulls.
>
>>Surely, a far better strategy is to hope they get a high lotter pick?????
>
>"Hoping" is not a strategy.  If the Lakers miss the playoffs they'll
>have less than a 1 in 20 chance of drafting in the top 3 positions,
>and otherwise they'll draft #11.  You call this a strategy?  I call it
>daydreaming.
>
>>Should the lakers be striving for a playoff whomping or SHAQ???????
>
>If they miss the playoffs, drafting at #1 will be a 1/66 chance.
>Quite frankly, I think they stand a better chance of beating Portland
>in the first round than of drafting Shaquille. 
>
>>Don't flame me I'm a laker fan. Shaq says he wants to play for the lakers--
>>least the laker can do is give us a tiny bit of hope it could happen. 
>
>What Shaquille says is irrelevant.  He will play for whoever drafts
>him.  And I don't want the Lakers to get into the habit of losing and
>dreaming about next year and praying that some 20 year old kid who
>has never won a damn thing in his life will suddenly fall in their lap
>and save them.  That kind of shit is for losers.
>
>>SOmeone else needs to get hurt...AC green maybe?
>
>You wish for A.C. to get hurt, and you call yourself a fan. 
>
>I'd say you're pathetic but I know that you are just blinded by your
>puppy love for Shaqille...
>
>
>--Gidi

Gidi take a hike.
What a bunch of S**T from you.
Its time to put your name in my kill file.
A.C. Green is from my school. I was thinking along the lines of a stubbed big
toe or something. I mentioned him because i think he is the best remaining player.
So the laker make the playoffs and get creamed? Big f*****g deal? Boy that would
really impresse me. HEY LOOK EVERYONE WE MADE THE PLAYOFFS!
whoooooooooooopeeeeeeeeee.

I don't think too many people in laker land will be satisfied with the lakers
just making the playoffs anywhere. That is a loser attitude.

Where is this franchise going? They have serious problems. What is one instant
cure--Shaq.  How else are they going to turn things around?--in time over several
years.

Next time you feel like flaming somebody get a can of gasoline and treat 
yourself.
Roy
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers no playoffs-enter Shaq lottery
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:59:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr15.153548.18637@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> > Yes, My Sixers lost and they won't be in the playoffs thus giving us a chance 
> > for Shaq!!!
> 
> Yeah, a 1-in-66 chance.  But stranger things have happened.
> 

	Actually, the Sixers will most likely have 3 ping-pong balls in 
the lottery drum.

	Either the Lakers or the Rockets will get 1 ball.

	And either the Hawks or the Heat will the 2 ball position.

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From: prasad@infonode.ingr.com (Prasad Challa)
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:59:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.185207.11842@reed.edu> terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:
>In article <JAVS.92Apr10131512@sabrina.inesc.pt> javs@sabrina.inesc.pt (Joao Antonio do Vale de Sousa) writes:
>>
>>   I think is time to initiate the discussion about the player who deserves
>>to be the Most Valuable Player.
>>
>>   My favourites are Michael Jordan (Chicago Bulls) and Clyde Drexler (Portland
>> Trailblazers).
>>
>>   What do you think about this, net folks?
>
>Can you say D-A-N-N-Y M-A-N-N-I-N-G???
>
>Ok, so it's a longshot, but I think a very worthy choice, 'specially if they
>clobber the Warriors in the first round & then the FrailBlazers in the 2nd,
>Hell, they can easily take Phoenix in the Western Conf. finals, so Manning'll
>get it even if the mighty Bulls kill us in the championships.
>

Correct me if I am wrong. But I think these COTY, MVP, etc. awards are all
based on regular season performance. Playoffs dont matter.

-prasad

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From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: CELTICS---AWESOME!!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Apr 1992 11:06 EST  

In article <1992Apr16.023127.13281@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, foxjl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (James L Fox) writes...
>The bostom celtics just beat the Pistons, and also the Knicks just lost to  
>Atlanta.  That means that the CELTS virtually have the division  
>championship in hand.   GREAT!!!!!!!!!
>Boston has won 13 of their last 14 games, and 7 straight.
> 
>They play Miami Sunday, this should be an easy game for the CELTS.
> 
>The Celtics will definitely give the Bulls a run for there money,  and the  
>cows could go down.
> 
> 
>GO CELTS!!!!!!!!          
> 
>By the way, the Celtics won by three, I don't remember what the score was.

Before the Celtics get to play 'the cows', maybe they should worry a little 
bit about playing the Cavs, now that they are in their bracket.



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
From: rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:32:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: icf.1992Apr6.073225.19049
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <572@hsdndev.UUCP>, nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
> I have to agree with Magic's comments at the end of the game where
> he said that the Bulls are an unmotivated bunch right now because there is
> nothing at stake for them until the playoffs get underway in 2 1/2 weeks.
> 
> However, it was still awesome to see the Celts kicking Bulls butt on 
> national TV and sending them out of the Garden with a good fight at least
> for this one game.
> 
    It was also great to see them beat the Bulls without Bird. As for the
motivation part of the Bulls, i don't think you can come up with an excuse
except that they were beat. I think that Bird will be out until the playoffs,
his back could use the rest. First Detroit and then the Bulls. GO CELTS!!


                                                             Murph
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Assists
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:43:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr10.161631.21801@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, se3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Stanley Eng) writes:
> I understand that assists are passes that lead to easy field goals,

	Nope, an assist is credited when a pass is made to a player who makes
an immediate move towards a Fied Goal attempt and makes the basket. It has nothing
to do with the attempt being an 'easy' one.


> but there was once a case where an assist was credited for a 3-point
> field goal!

	A pass made to a player spotted up at the 3 point line and takes the
shot right away, does indeed generate an assist.

	A pass made to a player, who then makes some intermediate moves (fakes
a drive, dribbles behind a screen, etc...) and then makes a 3 point FG, would
NOT generate an assist.



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From: erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Summary: Hasty, hasty, hasty
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:30:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Apr13.193047.27550
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr13.145911.2786@infonode.ingr.com> prasad@infonode.ingr.com (Prasad Challa) writes:
>>In article <JAVS.92Apr10131512@sabrina.inesc.pt> javs@sabrina.inesc.pt (Joao Antonio do Vale de Sousa) writes:
>>>
>>
>>Can you say D-A-N-N-Y M-A-N-N-I-N-G???
>>
>>Ok, so it's a longshot, but I think a very worthy choice, 'specially if they
>>clobber the Warriors in the first round & then the FrailBlazers in the 2nd,
>>Hell, they can easily take Phoenix in the Western Conf. finals, so Manning'll
>>get it even if the mighty Bulls kill us in the championships.
>>

>>
and
> blah blah blah about playoffs entering into consideration for MVP

Right.  Yeah, sure.  Get it straight: the Clippers are too young, too
inexperienced to beat the Warriors, LET ALONE the "Frailblazers" (cute nick-
name, I must admit).  Manning and the rest of his crew have all the pep of
a pack of dogs on a wolf hunt, but they remind me of last year's Seattle
SuperSonics: lots of talent, lots of promise, but they need some time to
develop.

And I'm not even going to discuss our friend Larry Brown's coaching playoff
record.  He may be a great asset in the regular season, but Brown is better
at post-season choking than the Blazers ever were.  At least the Blazers
advance to the Conference Finals before choking.

I guess you may be referring to the Chippers' win over the Blazers last week.
I hope you are keeping these facts in mind:

1)  The Blazers were fresh off beating the Warriers in home/home games
Sunday and Tuesday night, effectively wrapping up the Division and Conference
home-court advantage race.  They didn't need to beat a scrappy team like
the Chip Dips.

2)  Drexler sat out.  Say no more.  I wonder how well the Chip Dips would do
without Manning. . .?

PLUS, with little or nothing riding on the game and with their star player
out, the Blazers still almost pulled it off, AT the Sports Arena in LA AND
having just beaten a much better team the night before.

The Chip Dips will be something to contend with in the future.  Not this
season, though.


-------

Scott Erickson
LC College, Portland (surprise!)

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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: NBA Most Improved Player
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  8 Apr 1992 09:23 EST  

In article <1992Apr7.220051.2529@colorado.edu>, burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes...
>Jeff Hawkins writes:
>>>Well, since the rest of you all can talk about your thoughts on NBA's Most
>>> Improved Player, here are my thoughts on who will and will not take it.
> 
>[list and reasoning deleted]
> 
>I am surprised that nobody has mentioned Michael Williams of the 
>Pacers yet. He went from half a year in the CBA to the NBA leader
>in steals and one of the top point guards in the East.

I like Kendall Gill, but on a similar note...

Is it obvious, or am I just being a homer, that Mark Price deserves 
Comeback Player of the Year ?



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
From: liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Blazer Status?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:42:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  I saw the box score for the Dallas game last night and noticed that
not only Drexler didn't play but Kersey didn't either.  How's Clyde
looking and what's Kersey's status?  Has Duckworth continued his
improved play and attitude?  What's a Whatley?
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan playing Baseball?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:57:09 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Apr8.203825.27883@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Bl> 
> Gary Blickhan
> 
> (I hope Jordan plays with the White Sox.  He'll get hurt or bat worse than
> Deion Sanders.  At least Sanders can run...)
> 

Oh so Jordan is not fast enough for you?  When MJ played in the Olympics, 
many knowledgable people felt he was the best athlete there...all sports 
included.  You sound like Mr Sour Grapes to me.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: Larry Bird *IS* GREAT!
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:53:46 GMT

In article <kujfhaINNq0j@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL "What's an atribution line?" WAYNE
SCHULMAN) quotes: 
>>After all, how many players can play 12 years and
>>running and still get those stats?  After all, didn't Kareem get just
>>, Oh my God!, 10.1 points per game in 1988!?!?!?  
>Nope, sonny, it's 1989!
>
>See, you make the same mistake as the other people do. Other people
>shouldn't use a 28-year-old to bash your 35 year-old? 
>
>No problem. Then why do you use a 35 year-old to bash a 42 year-old?
>
>Let's see whether Larry can average 10.1 ppg in 1999 before you put
>Kareem into the picture, OK?

Remind me which year it was that Jabbar had a slipped disk.  I don't
seem to recall...
From: mbn@fps.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE bos76cle75.07apr92
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:20:31 GMT
Reply-To: mbn@fps.com
Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
cc: cle-list

Reggie Lewis scored a season-high 38 points, sank the go-ahead basket with
11.8 seconds left and grabbed the clinching rebound 6 seconds later in the
win at Richfield, OH.  Cleveland had won 12 straight home games.

bos 100, cle 97   07apr92

bos (45-31)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
pinckney,ed       25    3   7   0  0   1  4   6 11   3   1  0  3  1  0  0    7
gamble,kevin      32    9  15   0  0   0  0   1  3   6   1  2  2  1  0  0   18
parish,robert     30    4   9   0  0   0  0   2  9   1   2  0  1  0  0  0    8
lewis,reggie      44   17  27   0  0   4  6   1  4   4   4  1  3  1  0  0   38
brown,dee         40    4   8   0  0   0  0   0  4  10   3  0  1  0  0  0    8
mchale,kevin      30    4  10   0  0   2  2   1  5   3   2  0  1  2  0  0   10
kleine,joe        18    2   4   0  0   0  0   3 10   0   3  1  0  1  0  0    4
fox,rick           8    0   1   0  0   0  0   1  1   1   1  0  1  0  0  0    0
bagley,john        4    1   2   0  0   0  0   0  1   1   0  0  0  0  0  0    2
douglas,sherman    9    2   3   0  0   1  2   0  0   6   0  0  1  0  0  0    5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bos totals       240   46  86   0  0   8 14  15 48  35  17  4 13  6  0  0  100
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .535   .000   .571       team rebs  8, team TO's 1

cle (52-23)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
nance,larry       40    4  13   0  0   5  5   3  7   3   2  0  1  3  0  0   13
sanders,mike      24    2   4   0  0   0  0   1  3   1   2  1  1  0  0  0    4
daugherty,brad    43   11  21   0  0   5  7   1 11   2   0  0  0  0  0  0   27
kerr,steve        34    5  10   0  2   2  2   2  5   7   1  1  2  1  0  0   12
price,mark        41    9  18   1  5   3  3   1  1   8   2  2  2  0  0  0   22
williams,john     36    6  10   0  0   2  3   3  8   3   0  0  1  3  0  0   14
battle,john       19    2   7   0  0   1  1   0  0   2   3  0  0  0  0  0    5
brandon,terrell    3    0   3   0  0   0  0   0  1   1   0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cle totals       240   39  86   1  7  18 21  11 36  27  10  4  7  7  0  0   97
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .453   .143   .857       team rebs  4, team TO's 1

bos   25  20  27  28  -  100
cle   24  26  22  25  -   97

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