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From: john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin)
Subject: Re: PLEEASE help me name this song!!!!
Summary: :)
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:27:06 GMT

In article <9224122.27352@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>,
	moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (/\/\c /\/\ars) writes:

>I've heard this song on the radio, which I really liked, [...]
>that's what it comes back to (coming back to you)... [...]
>nothing I can say about it keep coming back to you.. [...]

You sure it wasn't this Old Favourite?

    Maybe I'm still hurting
    I can't turn the other cheek
    But you know that I still love you,
    It's just that I can't speak
    I looked for you in everyone
    And they called me on that too
    I lived alone but I was only
    Coming back to you

    They're shutting down the factory now
    Just when all the bills are due
    And the fields are under lock and key
    Tho' the rain and the sun come through
    And springtime starts and then it stops
    In the name of something new
    And all the senses rise against this
    Coming back to you

    And they're handing down my sentence now
    And I know what I must do
    Another mile of silence while
    I'm coming back to you

    There are many in your life
    And many still to be
    Since you are a shining light
    There's many that you'll see
    But I have to deal with envy
    When you choose the precious few
    Who've left their pride on the other side
    Of coming back to you

    Even in your arms I know
    I'll never get it right
    Even when you bend to give me
    Comfort in the night
    I've got to have your word on this
    Or none of it is true
    And all I've said was just instead
    Of coming back to you

(Leonard Cohen, of course. :)

-- 
John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
`Pressed Rat and Warthog have closed down their shop...'
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Tell us (aus.music) about _your_ local bands
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:44:02 GMT

dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:

>Incidently, assuming there is still -some- hope for the existence of
>electronic bands hereabouts, I'm starting a label to gather 'em up and 
>compile a CD that will be so anti-pub-rock-grunge-metal-etc that it might
>actually be alternative enough for the Australian (more likely Brisbane)
>market to sell a few. The true alternative in a sea of crap. Roo-art lost
>the plot quite some time ago. Volitions new offshoot has got the right idea.

What offshoot is this? I don't know it... But Volition is a good company...

>Maybe, just maybe, like-minded labelites can keep in touch and perhaps
>form an inter/intra-state collective/umbrella for bands of the electronic/
>industrial/avant-garde ilk that don't want to worry about the level of
>shit they have to deal with under 'normal' circumstances.

Awright!!!! I'm in!!!

What kind of investment are you putting into the label? Are you working
in the field already?

Paul

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From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Re: Sequencers, guitars etc
Organization: Disorganization
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:50:32 GMT

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
>In article <pet.716013887@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>>Here's the rub. Guitar bands have 4-5 inst. A synth song has so many virtual
>>instruments it's not funny. And often it's all done by One person.
>so it hads only the one creative influence!

Do you like Mike Oldfield?  Tchaikovsky?

>unfortunatly, my 
>ear can pick synthetic sounds quite well,  now, I don't mind them,
>and sure, it takes skill to combine them into a workable melody,
>but *I* prefer real instruments.  

That's the key.  If you hear a crap guitar band, you'll have a kinder opinion
of their music than of a crap synth band's music, just coz you like the
sounds of their instruments.  Nothing wrong with that, with me it's
probably the opposite.

>>I don't think there's anything wrong with sampling other people's music.

>the next time I hear that stolen bit of Queens' under pressure I'm
>going to throw the radio out the window !!

That's only because _everything_ about Vanilla Ice is bad--the "borrowed"
riff is only a part of the puzzle...

>hmm, I have to admit, that the cover GnR did of live and let die was 
>pretty good, and the Who doing twist and shout was great live,  but
>the next pox band to do a synth stairway to heaven ...

I haven't even heard _one_ synth cover of "STH".  I imagine it would be
pretty sad, though.  Much like the overrated original.

>somehow humans just sound so much warmer, maybe I should go live in
>a hippy commune for a bit and live on grass and lentils?  :)

HEY!  Grass and lentils have rights, too, y'know!

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: hunnas new single
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:08:48 GMT


heard it on the radio yesterday.  More chugga-chugga permutations of the
funky drummer rhythm.  Weaker than _Head Above Water_.

brian
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From: s882413@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Glen Robert Seymon)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Southern Sons CD
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:07:52 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

From article <1992Sep10.154309.12917@phillip.edu.au>, by t9014123@phillip.edu.au:
>>>PS: Listen to some Ride, for God's sake.

  And you can get Faaaaar away!
  I also listen to Dave Weckle, Chick Corea, Sting, Maria Carey, Van Halen,
  Toto.....the list goes on.
  
  Who is Ride anyway?

>> *grin* I hate Farnham and the Sons, Glen... IMHO you're not missing out on
>> too much... Seriously, listen to Jesus Jones and Chapterhouse for some
>> interesting guitar music...
>> Paul

   Hey, I didn't even say anything about Farnham!
   (But he is one of my favorite singers. Especially with L.R.B)

   If I wanted to listen to some interesting Guitar stuff, I'd listen to
   some Steve Morse or Frank Gambarli (spel?) or Bret Garsed for that matter.

> If you wanna see extremely talented guitarists, they don't get much better
> than Phil Buckle and Jack Jones.  And Virgil on drums, I could write a book
> on how good he is!  

   Ditto! Especially Virgil He's an internationally recognised drummer.
   Actually, you could probably write two books and perhaps even a 
   mini-series.

> The only unfortunate thing is that the first Southern
> Sons album had none of the fire/flash that you see when you go to their
> live show.
> 
> Some of the greatest drum and guitar solos I have seen have come from the
> above 3.  I only knew Jack Jones as the guitarist for Hans Valen, didn't
> realise he could bloody sing too (bastard!)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Grant Fisher
> T9014123@phillip.edu.au
> gfisher@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

 Virgil is an amazing drummer. People only listen to the Southern
Sons stuff, without realising what the musicians have done outside the
band. Virgil and Jack have played a fair bit of Jazz Fusion together at
the Grainstore, which was fantastic. Phil Buckle is probably a much better
guitarist than Jack, but they're both great.

  The Southern Sons' live gigs ARE much better than the CD.

 Shit, you ask when a CD is coming out and you get all these idiots laying
 into your choice of music and telling you how much better the music they
 listen to is superior to yours

 Thanks for your support Grant!

 Glenn
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From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: Nature's Way: name of the band ??
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:24:42 GMT

u1056905@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

>I think the name of the song, from memory is: Nature's way... 
>It's a pretty mellow song, with only string accompaniment... byt still
>not your average production.

Sir, I have pleasure in informing you that the song you seek is a cover by
This Mortal Coil of a song by some 60s American band, Love I think.

It's on their 1991 release _Blood_, (on 4AD thru Shock) and is available on
import.  Most record shops could get it for you...catalogue number
DAD 1005 CD.  It's 75mins long for $28 I think, so it's worthwhile, and much
of it is in that style.  The production's really weird, with bits and pieces
floating in and out of the mix.  Their other two albums are also worth
finding: Filigree and Shadow (CAD 609 CD) and It'll End in Tears (CAD 411 CD).

By the way, I'm a fan of theirs if you hadn't guessed. 
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: The Role of Government
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:01:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.085234.15292@metapro.DIALix.oz.au>, bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:
> 
...
> Actually, the road users subsidise other expenditure. Only
> about 20% of what's collected in fuel taxes and excise is
> used for roads.
> 
Ah, facts...

> Will it? If the majority of taxpayers would get a tax rebate
> for private medical insurance (up to a limit), then the load
> on the public health system would be reduced markedly.
> 
> Ever wonder why there's an ever-increasing load on the
> public health system? It's because people can't see the
> sense in paying Medicare and private insurance, and then
> they still have to pay for a "gap". So people abandon
> private insurance (which has a side-effect of driving up
> that cost to those who still want private insurance) and
> utilise what's left of an under-funded public health system.
> 
> I pay around $2000 every year in health insurance, and if I
> went to a doctor, I'd still have to fork out money despite
> the insurance. I could simply drop the private insurance and
> pocket the $1200+ and rely on Medicare.
> 
> If everybody did that, then the Medicare levy would have to
> increase to 5% or more of income if it were to be
> self-funding. So, back to square one. Do not pass GO, do not
> collect your $1200 (give it to the tax man).
> -- 

I have had private health cover, and not ever paid a cent for GPs
or 'normal' treatments. Medicare has covered it all.

Concider the following. My son has a mole that is developing rapidly,
and needs looking at, possible removed and biopsyed. To do this I must
first go to a GP, just to get a referal. The major part of the expence
in the health system is 'down stream' of the initial consult, and firmly
in the hands of the medical profession. The adding of unnessesiary costs
is no help to any but the few in the bussiness of minning Medicare. The
cost cutting of govt depts is in the most part massivly counter productive
just on money terms, ignoring the pain and suffering it adds.

Medicare has resulted in a HUGE number of people voting with their feet,
hence a bit jump in workload for the public hospitals. The politicians have
been unwilling to face up to the fact that the levy should have been increased
to 2-2.5% years ago. The system is now so fund starved and run down that it
will take huge amounts of resources to get back to where we were 10 years ago.
If you dig out the old Auditor General reports on the original Medibank scheme
you will find a coment that it was the most cost effective in the world, if
you allowed the startup costs to be amortized over 7 years.

~Paul

Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Work permits for Kiwis...
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:17:47 GMT

In article <mVXmqB2w164w@Moneybin.equinox.gen.nz> scrooge@Moneybin.equinox.gen.nz (Glenn Murphy) writes:
|> I am in favour of closer ties with NZ, so I think work permits for Kiwis
|> is not a very good idea (provided that Kiwis will not object to a merger 
|> of NZ and Australia and NZ becoming another state/territory of Aust).
|> :-)
|
|I would actually be in favour of this as I think NZ is really too small to 
|remain self sufficient in the world as it is shaping up. Economies of scale 
|and all that...
|But of course Keating and his mob would have to get the economy right befor 
|e it could be looked on seriously...
|
|Glenn.

Ehm. We are doing better than you at the moment. Between 200-300 thousand
are staying in Australia presumably because they have jobs here. That's
almost 10% of NZ's popn. If they all go back to NZ, the unemployment rate
in NZ will definitely skyrocket. A lot of Australians started worrying
when many Kiwis went back home last year because the consensus is that
Kiwis vote with their feet according to the state of the economy. But many
still stayed in Australia. 

I personally think that NZ will get more benefit out of a political union.

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From: Greg.Kerr@p2.f547.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Greg Kerr)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
From: scrooge@Moneybin.equinox.gen.nz (Glenn Murphy)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Work permits for Kiwis...
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 16:50:57   M
Organization: Not organised at all.

> I am in favour of closer ties with NZ, so I think work permits for Kiwis
> is not a very good idea (provided that Kiwis will not object to a merger 
> of NZ and Australia and NZ becoming another state/territory of Aust).
> :-)

I would actually be in favour of this as I think NZ is really too small to 
remain self sufficient in the world as it is shaping up. Economies of scale 
and all that...
But of course Keating and his mob would have to get the economy right befor 
e it could be looked on seriously...

Glenn.
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: How Fightback Delivers Hi Unemploy
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:29:54 GMT

In article <996200266@peg.pegasus.oz.au>, agarton@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:
> 
...
> (ie in their hardware). But you maintain a livable income *because
> this has an intrinsic value within itself*. If it doesn't then
> what's the point of production, economics, any of it? The trouble
> with 'Hewsonism' is that you've only got to listen to the guy when
> he gets a bit hot under the collar to realise that its
> "competiton" that has the intrinsic value, its the wonderful
> *system* he envisions that is where value lies - and other
> considerations must be sacrificed to that. In Hewsonian terms it
> is a victory to achieve better sets of figures at the expense of
> comfort, aesthetics, health or anything else that can't have
> figures attached to it.
> 

Standard economist mind-set. Model and reality differ, therfore the world
must be wrong. Even more worrieing is that our fearless leader is of the same
thinking. Does anyone remember his comment a few years ago about "... a
wonderfull set of numbers..." after one of the econ figures were released?

Even more worrying is that it will be the same group of treasury/PM dept
beurocrats driving the system. And of course, we don't have a senior pub
service 'fat cat' pension to fall back on.

~Paul

Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy)
Subject: Re: The big currency lie
Followup-To: aus.politics
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 09:51:58 GMT

In article <pod.714962147@suite.sw.oz.au>, pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul
O'Donnell) wrote:
> 
> In <6312@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
> 
> >Am I the only person who absolutely *cringes* each time the 5 second news
> >grab on TV relates the value of A$1 to US$?
> 
> No.
> 
> >What is this obsession with the value of the US$?  It is not an inviolate
> >measure of currency strength and the USA is not one of our biggest trading
> >partners.  To me this insidious comparison is not only close to deceitful and
> >misleading, but almost irrelevant.  It is an expression of cultural cringe.
> >We measure our success in US$.
> 
> >To me, the only measure of importance is the Trade Weighted Index, which
> >measures the value of our currency in relation to our trading partners'
> >currencies in weighted proportion to the size of our trade with them.  This
> >is actually a *meaningful* measure.
> 
> Absolutely (This is one thing on which Chris and I actually agree).  I
> find it amusing when the news says something like - "The $US suffered
> heavy falls against the Deutchmark|Yen.  Consequently the $A fell n cents
> against the $US".
> 

  But it happens!! A couple of weeks ago the $US went through the floor and
our currency went with it and indeed dropped relative to it. This occurs
quite often, and it scares the hell out of me, 'cos it implies that traders
are practically treating the $A as a lackey of the $US, selling and buying
in dual-currency bundles.
  The US dollar is probably the LEAST reliable benchmark for our media to
carry.

      Signed,
              Pat Rourke  (you may not have heard of me)
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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: The big currency lie
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 05:23:15 GMT

In <chris.715484914@suite.sw.oz.au> chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:

>In <1992Sep2.085239.15260@metapro.DIALix.oz.au>
>   bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:

>>Just for kicks, it's strange to see that the US dollar has
>>been failry stable w.r.t the brass razoo over several years.
>>Meanwhile, both have plummeted 50% against the Deutsche Mark
>>and UK Pound.

>Yes - strange behaviour for the world currency of reference...
>For thos interested in this subject, there was a very useful
>article in yesterday's (Wed 2/9) Financial Review which discussed
>the background on European (read German) monetary policy.

Hmm, wish I had the time to read the FinReview.

It's a European agreement. True, the Germans tend to be the main
motivators, but if the other countries has declined to agree, then
Germany wouldn't have the means to indirectly determine monetary
policy of other EC members. Perhaps we could blame it on that wimp
John Major, but seeking a single scapegoat will deny a veritable feast
;-).

Anyway, it seems strange that the EC countries belive that they can
share monetary policy, yet have diverging policies in other economic
areas. It's almost as though money had nothing to do with finance.

>Among the observations is one that the UK would really like
>the pound to fall, but it is locked into the common exchange
>rate system of Europe. The effect is a deeper recession...

And the Germans would really like their currency to fall because it's
killing their export markets, undoubtedly spreading recession in the
medium term. Fortunately, for Germany, it is subject to a high degree
of internal consumption, so that is probably absorbing some of what
would otherwise be exports.

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From: dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam)
Subject: Re: Open LETTER to Oz Immigration
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:27:45 GMT

Greg.Kerr@p2.f547.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Greg Kerr) writes:
>    My wife works in an elderly citizens care facility here in Melbourne.(The
>Kingston centre) And she has told me a number of stories that all started out
>like yours. One of them was a Vietnamese grandmother who was brought to
>Australia on family relief. her family
>got her to Australia and within a week she was in the Kingston Centre because
>they where unable to cope with her. Now it turned out this lady had Syphillis
>ghonorea and heppatitis B and as far as I'm concerned she shouldn't of even been
>allowed into Australia. The net result of this lady coming to Australia is that
>it ended up costing You and I about $90,000.00 to look after her as she lived
>for 3 years. 

What would be wrong if the government allowed the lady to come to
Australia with the strict proviso, unambiguously laid down
beforehand, that she would get no state assistance?  Surely it would
be more humanitarian to let the lady and her family choose whether
she would come to Australia, in the full knowledge that she would not
get welfare and health benefits, than to say: "We have a really great
health care and social security system.  We will look after you very
well if we let you in.  But we can't afford it, so stay out!"

>    While I'm on the soapbox the Australian government also needs to stop people
>from other countries coming to Australia arriving in Australia and straight away
>going on social security. I work for a TV rental company and I see the migrants
>every day on the dole especially from New Zealand and Ireland but they do come
>from elsewhere. It has to stop that is all I can say..

The solution is simple: allow open immigration but give immigrants no
state assistance.  Then the only people who will come to Australia
are those who believe that they can make a better life for
themselves, by themselves, in Australia than in their original
country.  And by doing so they would have contributed to Australia,
rather than take away from it.


--
	Daniel Lam
	Melbourne, Australia

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: lawriew@runx.oz.au (Lawrie Waller)
Subject: Re: Tele-surveys
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:40:43 GMT

In article <9224715.11568@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> vasans@ecr.mu.oz.au (Satish VASAN) writes:
>
>	The other day I was asked on the phone about answering a 'community service survey'.
>I agreed and then was asked wether I was 25 to 49. Since I wasn't my father answered
>the survey .  He was then asked what party he voted for and other assorted political
>questions. My basic gripe , is, which so-called 'community service' groups need our
>political preferences?! 
>
>	This is in light of the 4 Corners program a few months back on how politicians kept
>record of all people who answered such similar surveys and then flooded them with junk
>mail once elections came around (God , do those boffins love mailmerge!).
>
>	Is this practice widespread and if so , is it illegal? (Use of confidential info.)
>
>
>Any thoughts , people?
>
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