HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Wondering
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 11:43:41 CDT
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

ericw@hub.parallan.com (Eric Wedel) writes:

> Waffle 1.64's manual.doc discusses how, and 1.64 includes in the bin
> directory a file login.bat which uses the following forms:
>         waffle local
>         waffle online <username>
> The "local" version sounds like what you want, as it prompts for username 
> and password.  "online" logs in the given user, *bypassing the password 
> prompt*.

The password prompt is only bypassed whrn you pass a username to Waffle.
If you use 'waffle online', the user is prompted for username and
password.

> manual.doc describes the alternate "online" syntax
>         waffle online [ <baud rate> ] [ <username> ]
> but I haven't had occasion to try this.  It's not clear what parameter
> is used to specify the com port, maybe "device : ..." in the static file?

That is correct.  You should also note that 1.65 will treat these two
differently if you have a FOSSIL installed and called out in the static
file.  A 'waffle online' will try to init the FOSSIL and exit with an
error if it's not found.  Under 1.65, only use 'waffle local' for a
local login.  Oh, 'waffle local username' works, too.

> BTW, does anyone know how to supply a username ala "online" but preserve
> the password prompt, at least when a non-blank password is involved?

No provision for it internally.  You could knock together a front-end to
do this.
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:30:15 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>>Run up to 16 users
>>Allow the use of a database system of some sort
>>Be inexpensive to maintain
>>Be inexpensive to set-up
>>Be inexpensive to upgrade

>The cost of the UNIX (as low as $495) and using free software.
>The user also gets:
>nfs, tcp-ip, support for unlimited users, support for the execution
>of UNIX, XENIX and DOS applications by any user connected to the system
>hmmm -- 1999.99 -- a tad bit expensive
>check this out:
>     o New Pricing -- A new price schedule is available for Dell UNIX 2.2, 
>       complete system available for as little as $495 US.  (Reference the
>       end of this document for complete pricing)

Larry, that is misleading.  The $495 is no-doubt only a 2-user license.
NOT 16 users!

[LONG diatribe about dell stuff deleted]
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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Lock-up?
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:58:45 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

In article <nick.1dyr@hotcity.COM> nick@hotcity.COM (Nick Assar) writes:

> 2) How come after about 240 periods, Waffle lock's up?

It's not hung.  After 240 periods (I can't believe you counted them :-) 
), it starts at period #1 again (I can't believe I sat there until it 
did :-) ).

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:31:19 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>The cost of the UNIX (as low as $495) and using free software.
>The user also gets:
>nfs, tcp-ip, support for unlimited users, support for the execution
>of UNIX, XENIX and DOS applications by any user connected to the system
>full development is also included

$495 for DELL 2.2 unlimited user including full development set?

Right.
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: adamg@eff.org (Adam Gaffin)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Originator: adamg@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:21:57 GMT

In article <BuDtEM.66q@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
>Which sounds much better -- can you tell us about some of these other nets?
>
There's a great way to find out about these.  Unfortunately, you'll have
to find a, gasp, Fido BBS that carries the Other Nets echo :-).


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From: dlr3@po.cwru.edu (David Rodgers)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Cleveland BBS Numbers wanted!
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Date: 15 Sep 1992 01:40:13 GMT
Organization: Society for Advancement of Free Software
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61539.student.cwru.edu

  I simply want to acquire numbers for free access bbs systems in
Cleveland. Anyone?

---
 DTR Later .....
From: Dana_Huggard@tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Dana Huggard)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Looking for BBS near Eureka,CA or 707 area code
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:19:03 PST
Organization: TERRA FIRMA BBS

In a message dated Mon 31 Aug 92  3:31, Kirkm@hotcity.com (kirk Marcroft)
wrote:

 KM> I looking for a BBS in the area of Eureka, California or BBS in the 
 KM> 707 area code

 KM> Any info would be helpful........

The State Board,Santa Rosa CA,Mike Farrell,1-707-579-0239,2400b
Aerie_by the Bay,Windsor CA,John Chenoweth,1-707-838-7500,HST
StarShip Yamato NCC 1305 E Santa Rosa CA,Cy_Welch,1-707-433-1536,HSTDS
Rapture BBS,Santa Rosa CA,Kris Nothwang,1-707-573-0927,2400b
BBS EXPRESS,Santa Rosa CA,Clint Stevenson,1-707-571-7561,HST
The Babble Underground,Santa Rosa CA,Marcos Della,1-707-538-1507,HSTDS
Node Zero,Santa Rosa Ca,Shad Muegge,1-707-584-1603,HSTDS
The Hole in the Wall BBS,Windsor CA,Tom Cashmore,1-707-838-1924,HST
A.C.M.E. Corp. BBS,Santa Rosa CA,Jeff Hochstetler,1-707-539-4050,HSTDS
Corpus Christi (Napa),Napa CA,Gary Bradford,1-707-252-4830,HSTDS
Corpus_Christi (Sonoma),Rohnert_Park_CA,Gary_Bradford,1-707-795-3382,HST-DS
Small Town BBS,Angwin CA,Matt_Mills,1-707-965-0939,2400b
Humbolt Cty. Hub,Trinidad CA,Michael_Matson,1-707-677-3588,HST
Club_/\/\eg,Arcata CA,Jeffrey Pascone,1-707-822-1236,2400b
Ami West,Eureka CA,Mike Steele,1-707-442-6648,HST
Trinidad RBBS,Trinidad_CA,Phil Payne,1-707-677-3871,HST
Verbatim et_Literatim,Trinidad CA,Michael_Matson,1-707-677-3588,HST
GRAFX PLUS BBS,Eureka CA,Paul Genovali,1-707-442-3684,HST-DS

 KM> Thanks

'Yer Welcome!    
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: d06448@tanus.oz.au (Argyrios Karavis)
Subject: BBS
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 08:26:00 GMT

Can anyone in Adelaide, Australia send me personal email with BBS's in
Adelaide which are either pay or free to join.

Ros Karavis

INET: d06448@tanus.oz.au
From: Steven_P._Oliver@bearsden.UUCP (Steven P. Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:01:31 GMT
Organization: The Bear's Den BBS   (715) 839-7997

Oh that could work very well for you, but it depends heavily upon what you
are carrying upon your BBS.  On mine there are Many files, Door games, and
on and on.  By NOT asking for verifiable names I am opening my board to
multiple accounts by the same persons so that they may tie up my phone
lines all day long downloading files or playing door games.  It is unfair
to the other users to allow even ONE person to do this, and that is why I
use voice validation and require use of real names.  I also DON'T have to
monitor my message areas nearly as often because users using real names are
not nearly as likely to leave graphic examples of profanity, which is not
allowed on my board.  It is IMPOSSIBLE, using alias's to tell how many
accounts a user has, and since I limit it to one account your way would be
impossible for my BBS.  To be totally fair, you have to admit that owning
and running a BBS is a hobby, but the cost has to be kept to a minimum, and
since I dont charge users for anything and dont even ask donations, they
can't expect to run the board.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ted Wagner)
Subject: Dialing out question with a LD phone card service
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:59:21 GMT



	I am not sure if this has been asked before, but I will
give it a shot.  

	I want to call out to New York, California, Maine,
France, and Australia to a few BBS's.  There are also a few
other BBS's in Indiana I'd like to call.  HOWEVER, I am currently
living in a dormitory here at IU.
	In the dorms, we have a calling card ID number
which we have to dial in order to call LongDistance.  My question
is this....How in the H (e (double hockey sticks)), do you place
the LD ID number into the calling sequence?
	I have tried calling the number, then quickly hanging up so my 
PC would pick up the ring, but no luck.  I have tried
to place the number in the dialing section of Procomm.

	IS there a program for the modem that allows for LD
ID numbers...and works?  I have had great luck with Procomm on a 
local level.  But, I would love to get outside of this calling
area.

Thanks

Ted
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mclement@access.digex.com (Matt Clement)
Subject: Re: VBBS
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:44:23 GMT

adol@heroes.UUCP (Adol Christain) writes:

>     So did anyone ever get VBBS working with USENet?  I coulden't so I 
>broke down and ran waffle.  Oh well, now I miss VBBS, and want to run 
>Waffle as a door (I don't know if it is possible).  Anyways, I was on the 
>author's board and tried mailing out, and it never made it.  I don't 
>think even the author's board ever got it working right.  Shame.

Talk to the people on the VBBS Support board - the Support board runs UUCP
without a problem. 
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5873 comp.bbs.misc:925 comp.misc:3662
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Summary: <sigh>
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <_aknatk@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>
> Besides, it's much more fun ti bait nitwits like you out of the woodwork.

Whatever credibility you still had is now gone with that remark John. 

Sad. 


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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re2: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:43:52 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:

>Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that TBBS and TDBS can be installed with only
>about 5 MB free.
Oh wow! Linux only needs 3M for the basic system. And 15M if you want to
have the C/C++ compiler and other goodies as well. The 3M installation
includes everything you need for a basic multi-line multi-user system like
a shell, an editor, login, etc.

>How much space did you say you needed?  I believe you
>listed 100 MB.
But look what you get: network support, a full development package and often
a X Windowing System.

>You might want to add some additional cost for the extra
>hard drive space I need to run your system.
Aw, come on! Today a 100M harddisk is cheaper than a 60M harddisk!

> You can't even get your OS loaded with that, much less do anything.
Sure you can, but not if you want everything. You can't expect 100+ programs,
which UNIX has, to go into 5M.

>When you start comparing costs Larry, please show an objective picture.
You can have UNIX for free: Linux and 386BSD are free. I don't know what
happened/happens to BSDI's BSD/386, but it was advertized for $500 binary only
distribution and $1000 for full source+binary distribution. Unlimited user,
networking, X, NFS, UUCP, C compiler, etc., etc.

Greetings,
Peter Busser
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:08:29 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <9FX2qB9w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:

>OK, so what exactly are you going to do when the constable kicks in YOUR
>door because they caught one of your anonymous users passing phreak
>information or pirated commercial software through your system?

>That's right... passing info _through_ your system.  Not posted.  Not
>uploaded.  Simply passed through your facilities, perhaps in mail.  Still
>think you don't need to know who your users are?

First of all, I don't know how some constable is going to catch this unless
they themselves have hacked my system.  There is recent legislation, which
I'm sure someone here is familiar with, regarding electronic communication.
If you provide true private e-mail, then I don't think you can be held
responsible for its contents.  Not providing true e-mail is part of the
same Big Brother attitude that all too many sysops have.

I don't know the law, but I doubt that you could be held legally
responsible, whether or not you know the identity of your users.  You are
also making it out to be a much larger problem than it actually is.  You
are just using an extreme case to justify your nosy policies.

>Not support it?  Hell, I don't PERMIT it to occur!  And if you slip
>something through my screens, I damn sure want to know where to re-aim
>the cannon.

Ah, now your true nature is showing.  You are a pig, a rat, and a
control-freak. You wont find me on your BBS.  Thank god USENET isn't run
that way.

>The anonymous communication you promote is not compromised simply
>because I want to know who is using MY equipment.  If you are not
>forthcoming enough to tell me, the owner of the equipment you wish to
>utilize, your real name and phone number (which is all I, personally,
>have ever requested), your account's life expectancy may be measured in
>seconds, most likely with a negative exponent.

If all you require are a name and phone number, then you are NOT one of the
people I take issue with.  I consider this a reasonable requirement for
access to YOUR equipment.  The original poster was complaining about sysops
who require such information as social security numbers.  I don't even
object if you voice validate.


>The golden age is over, fnord.  There's a real world out there, and it
>doesn't like us.

True, but to protect yourself doesn't mean you have to be a rat.  Find out
exactly what the laws are.

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From: loeb@greco-prog.fr (Daniel LOEB)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: BBS in Wash DC
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:10:56 GMT
Organization: GRECO Programmation du CNRS - Bordeaux,France

Could anyone send me a list of BBS's my brother in Bethesda MD
(Washington DC) could use to communicate with me via Internet.
Thanks.

Yours, Daniel Loeb				loeb@geocub.greco-prog.fr
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Xref: sparky alt.bbs:6011 alt.bbs.allsysop:670 alt.bbs.internet:3667
From: golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stuart S Goldstone)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: GEnie Connection
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:19:03 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Sep11.003750.15818@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
swalter@nyx.cs.du.edu (DreamWeaver) writes:
>
>1) Just because you know someone's GEMail address doesn't mean you'l{
>automatically be able to send to them from Internet by using
><GEMail.Address>@genie.geis.com.  They (on the GEnie end) must first
>subscribe to the Internet gateway (that's the $9.95/month charge Yury
>quoted in the previous post).  If they don't subscribe, the GEnie
>PostMaster will barf your mail back at you telling you that the address
>you're trying to send to isn't allowed to receive Internet mail (I've
>already tried this ... that's what happens).

	True-- And since many of the GEnie users already have Internet
access through some other means, it is mostly a matter of convenience.
Thus, I'm hoping that not many people will subscribe for Internet access and
they'll drop the price back down to reasonable means...

>3)  Like they said, this is strictly an Internet Mail gateway.  GEnie
>doesn't have ftp or news-feed capability (although, I'm wondering whether
>GEnie users could subscribe to Internet Mail lists ... it seems feasable).

	It certainly is possible...  In fact, mailing lists are their
response whenever someone says, "Well, I don't know anyone else on Internet
to send mail to-- what do I need this service for?"  They apparently have
compiled a list of Internet and Bitnet mailing lists and uploaded it to
their Unix library (I don't know why it's there-- maybe they'll start an
Internet library for pertinent information) that people can download and
subscribe to their hearts' content.
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush)
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux
Keywords: Fidonet
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:43:40 GMT

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes and writes and writes:
> Where's Mr. Randy Bush now?

'Bout the same place I've been for a fair while on the net, sitting here
smilin' and movin' the megabytes.  A sense of humor is pretty much required.

> I wonder how HE'D suggest I handle a situation like that?  <sigh>

Why do you folk take all this sooo personally?  Sheesh!  If your NC does not
want to foot your phone bill, then foot it yourself.  And I strongly advise
against playing "My phone bill is bigger than yours."

As one of the more socially ept people in our area says "Try a nice warm mug
of valerian root tea."  Being an engineer, I prefer a more sure solution, so
usually recommend Vallium (sp?).

As you're still posting from a FidoNet node, I imagine that, despite all
your whining and bitching, you still find FidoNet sufficiently useful.  And
you speak of the sanity of the mainstream Usenet CFV etc. guidelines, while
bragging about alt.ketchup.

It's fun to watch all you folk with the 'new' religion, posting to alt.bbs
complaining about and putting down BBSing.  Good for the occasional giggle,
though not very deep.  Every tool has its use, every newbie his pulpit.
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From: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS is very limited
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:43:34 GMT
Organization: Just Computers!

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:
: 
: >bulletin board systems for corporations and TBBS with TDBS packs a powerful
: >punch.  These corporations could care less about usenet, fidonet and what
: 
: At an expensive price it is a very limited option with no support
: for external third party non eSoft approved applications
: 
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: keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

Larry, you keep mentioning expensive price.  Yeah, you are correct that the
base TBBS/TDBS product isn't the cheapest thing around.  But, let's start talking about the support down the road and how much it costs.  How much did you
spend for you last UNIX upgrade?  Or better yet, how much are you paying
for technical support of your UNIX system?  All of those wonderful add-on
products you are referring to cost money as well.  

I get support for TBBS and TDBS from the same place.  It is not a case
of one vendor blaming the other vendor for something not working and so
forth.  Too many times using an operating system and then buying the
add-on products from other vendors results in a lot of confusion as to
who's problem it is when something doesn't function.

To reiterate, the corporations I deal with want a functioning, reliable
system with a company that can support it with reliability.  TBBS and
TDBS supply this.  You might want to see what bulletin board systems
are being used by software vendors to support their product.  To be
honest, I haven't seen a single software vendor (outside of SCO) using
a UNIX system to support their product.  Many of the bigger software
vendors are using TBBS and it must be for good reasons.
From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject:  ??? interest
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn 1.16c (6/22/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:21:39 GMT
Organization: Blue Knight Productions

	Does anyone know of a BBS for either the IBM or for an Amiga that
would handle 2 lines incoming and be able to handle UUCP/INTERNET News and
MAIL without having having it take over your system every time it does
news and things.

	Actually a BBS THAT WILL  support an outgoing line to UUCP and
dial out on it would be preferred... that makes a total of 3 Lines??
Anyone??

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