HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:38:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Greg Parkinson writes:

>No study (and there have been several) has found
>that being raised by a same-sex couple had adverse
>effects on children - in fact, they are usually
>happier and better adjusted.

Greg, I think you're missing the point.  The problem here is the double 
standard and hypocrisy we have in our society.  Afrocentrist "sociologist" and 
"social" workers have helped pass laws which forbids whites from adopting black 
kids since, in their distored view of the world, whites cannot teach a black 
kid "what it is to be black."  It seems they fear seeing black kids with "white 
minds" (i.e., "oreos").  So if this is so with these poor kids who can't find a 
home, we should apply the same principle to all (you know, equal protection 
under the law) and say that gays can't adopt an infant cause they won't be able 
to teach them "what it is to be straight".  So once we erradicate all this 
reverse discrimination established in the name of racial purity, we can go 
ahead and promote gays to expose their kin to their lifestyle.

>So then gay children should be placed with gay people?

According to the latest "experts" running our welfare state, yes, as long as 
their without a home.

Edelmiro

[Nota al margen para nuestros amgios latinoamericanos:  Se fijan la mucha 
libertad que tienen los homosexuales en los EEUU cuando los temas en la agenda 
que se debaten abiertamente son la aprobacion de leyes que les garantizan 
derechos especificos que protegen la homosexualidad.  ?Donde se ha visto 
semejante cosa en latinoamerica?  Cuando era vecino de Madison, Wisconsin, la 
comunidad homosexual dono una estatua de dos hombres abrazandose que se puso en 
un parque publico.  Un dia unos mozalbetes vinieron y vandalizaron la estatua 
con graffitti y la comunidad homosexual protesto y consiguio que le pusieran un 
policia 24 horas frente a la estatua para vigilarla.  ??Donde se ha visto esto 
en America Latina?? ??Donde se han visto los desfiles anuales de homosexuales 
en latinoamerica??  ??Donde se han visto departamentos de "Estudios 
Homosexuales" en las universidades latinoamericanas?? ??Donde.... bueno me 
canse, pero podria estar comparando toda la noche la tremenda libertad que 
tienen los homosexuales en los Estados Unidos, pais que le brinda democracia a 
todos los grupos de todas las preferencias sexuales.]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: CIA Agent on Che's Assassination
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:12:19 GMT

In article <47aVwB19w165w@nyxfer.uucp> nicanet@nyxfer.UUCP writes:
>
>Subject: CIA Agent on Che's Assassination
>From: nyxfer!nicanet (NicaNet NY)
>

>
>
>CIA AGENT DESCRIBES GUEVARA EXECUTION
>
>In an interview that ran in the Oct. 9 issue of the Catalan
>magazine La Vanguardia, retired CIA agent Felix Rodriguez took
>credit for executing Comandante Ernesto "Che" Guevara in Bolivia
>exactly 25 years earlier. Rodriguez, a Cuban-American Bay of Pigs
>veteran, was sent to Bolivia by the CIA to help capture Guevara,
>who was trying to establish a guerrilla movement in the Andes,
>and bring him back alive; instead, he says, the Bolivian military
>caught the Argentine-born Cuban revolutionary and ordered
>Rodriguez to execute the prisoner. According to Rodriguez,
>Guevara was a broken man, wounded and looking "like a beggar,"
>but retaining "firmness and dignity." Rodriguez says he told
>Guevara: "Comandante, I'm sorry. I've tried to save your life,
>but the orders of the Bolivian high command are that we execute
>you." Guevara turned pale, Rodriguez goes on, but then became
>very calm and said: "It's better that way. I never ought to have
>been taken alive." Rodriguez says he shot Guevara at an angle in
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>order to maintain the fiction that the Cuban leader had been
>killed in combat. For the same reason, Rodriguez took only one
>picture of the prisoner before executing him. Rodriguez, who
>later ran the contra resupply operation from El Salvador, now
>lives in retirement in Miami. [Semanal, supplement to La Jornada
>(Mexico) 11/29/92]

 Well:

 I read Rodriguez's book sometime ago and he said in it that 3-4 Bolivian
 soldiers volunteered to execute Guevara. One of them got his wish and shot
 Guevara before the international press got a chance to see him alive.
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:18:46 GMT

In article <2B48B4C2.28088@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:

I did not write what follows. 

>In article <20687@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>Alberto Pinkas writes:
>
>>
>>Alberto, I'm still waiting to see where your family lived before being sent to 
>>the concentration camps. I'll bet you they weren't homeless.  Now, what's 
>>important of all this discussion is that there is no correlation between living 
>>healthy and having a roof and enjoying human rights, for opression doesn't 
>>necesarilly take on an economic character, unless of course you happen to be a 
>>Marxist and believe in material determinism.  Castro could have the best care 
>>system in the world (somthing very doubtful sinde they don't even have aspirin 
>>for their patients) yet be one of the worst human rights violators as well.
>>
>>Edelmiro


AAP

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Spanish-English translation software
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:39:19 GMT

In article <726417515snz@chaz.demon.co.uk>
Ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk (Charles Ashley) writes:
 
>
>Hola,
>
>Does anybody have any experience using a Spanish-English translation program
>for IBM PCs called GTS-Basic/GTS-Professional from a company called Globalink??
>I understand the program is designed and marketed in the United States.  Does
>anybody know where?
>
>Tiene alguien experiencia en el uso del programa de traduccin de
>Espaol-Ingls para IBM PCs llamado GTS-Basic/GTS-Professional de la compaa
>llamada Globalink??  Tengo entendido que el programa est diseado y
>comercializado en los Estados Unidos.  Sabe alguien dnde especficamente?
>
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Toda respuesta al respecto ser apreciada.
>
>
>        Charles.
>
>        ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk
>
>
>--
>*****************************************************************************
>*                          - Charles Ashley -                               *
>*    Internet:   ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk        Learned Information Ltd.    *
>*    CompuServe: 71333,624                      tel: +44 (0)71-278-3414     *
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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:58:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Julio Gonzalez writes:


>> In my face?  We just happened to pass civil rights legislation to protect
>> homosexuals (which by the way are the most affluent minority in the nation)
>> from discrimination in California,
>>
>> Edelmiro


>        You mean in Colorado ?  In case the reader doesn't know it,
>        Colorado passed legislation that impedes Gay-Lesbians legal
>        protection. By the way, your statement about their affluency
>        should be backed by a reference, otherwise it sounds like
>        anti-semitic Nazi propaganda, watch out for slips of tongue !

No, in CALIFORNIA we granted them special legal status (given their political 
control of places like San Francisco. In Colorado voters rejected a proposal 
which would have given gays and lesbians the status of an underrepresented 
ethnic minority and would make them qualify for State Affirmative Action 
programs and special legal status, when in fact they are overrepresented 
economically, are very affulent, have much more  political clout, than say... 
blacks.  The voters decision simply says were not in favor of people 
discriminating you (as we're not in favor of anybody discriminating against 
anybody), but we won't give you the same monetary and special legal status 
given to Native Americans.  I thinks a very reasonable decision and I don't 
know why their making such a fuss about it, they even want to compare the 
Colorado vote with the Arizona one refusin to conmemorate King's Holiday!!  No, 
this boycott simply shows you that in the US things are much better than in 
Cuba, where homosexuals can't even come out of the closet (it seems they really 
need special status legislation down there), much less organize a national 
boycott o the countries homophobic legislation.  Compare what Lazaron Nunez 
mentioned in a previous post (the brainwashing and punishment of children for 
homosexual acts) with the recent decision of the NYC shcool district to teach 
kindergartners in district books that gay families are part of life (although 
it seems they can't teach them how to read and write).  In Cuba such would be 
unimaginable, and the authors of such books would be imprisoned.  In the eyes 
of Cuban government officials, "maricas" promote AIDS,
and AIDS discourages Canadians from practicing safe sex with Cuban whores, so 
homophobia is more and more on the rise, and since many view openly espoused 
homosexuality as "yanqui" cultural influence, it is not uncommon to see common 
outbreaks of repression against "mariposas".

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: Ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk (Charles Ashley)
Subject: Spanish-English translation software
Distribution: world
Organization: Learned Information (Europe) Ltd.
Reply-To: ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:38:35 +0000

Hola,

Does anybody have any experience using a Spanish-English translation program 
for IBM PCs called GTS-Basic/GTS-Professional from a company called Globalink??  
I understand the program is designed and marketed in the United States.  Does
anybody know where?

Tiene alguien experiencia en el uso del programa de traduccin de 
Espaol-Ingls para IBM PCs llamado GTS-Basic/GTS-Professional de la compaa 
llamada Globalink??  Tengo entendido que el programa est diseado y 
comercializado en los Estados Unidos.  Sabe alguien dnde especficamente?


Thanks in advance.

Toda respuesta al respecto ser apreciada.


        Charles.

        ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk


-- 
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*                          - Charles Ashley -                               *
*    Internet:   ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk        Learned Information Ltd.    *
*    CompuServe: 71333,624                      tel: +44 (0)71-278-3414     *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: esli@athens.cc.bellcore.com (hernandez,esli)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:14:53 GMT

In article <2B489E16.25476@news.service.uci.edu>, rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
> In article <1993Jan2.224634.9804@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
> >In article <20671@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> 
> >
> >I, for one, would be interested to know who are those "anybody who could tell
> >you" that jews lived in homes during WWII.
> >Most of my family lived and died in concentration camps. Those who survived
> >would not call those concentration camps "homes". 
> 
>  Do you mean that your family was born and raised in concentration camps?
>  They never had a home before that? Are you sure you're not exagerating a bit
>  here? It seems to me that Jews in Germany and other European countries were
>  pretty well off (in general) before Hitler did what he did, no?
> 
> --
> Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
> Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
> UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
> 


No man, what he is saying is that during WWII his family was in concentration
camps. WWII lasted from 1939 til 1945 (6 years). Not enough to raise a family.
Even if his family was well off before Hitler, by 1939 they were probably 
already in Concentration Camps as he claims.

Esli
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:40:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <20764@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

> and AIDS discourages Canadians from practicing safe sex with Cuban whores, so 
> 
> Edelmiro

	Why so much concern with Cuban whores ? They didn't give you
	a discount or gave you no extras ?


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Julio , U of Penn, Philadelphia 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,talk.politics.misc
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Specil or equal rights?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:46:24 GMT


From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:58:04 GMT

Edelmiro Salas  says:

>No, in CALIFORNIA we granted them special legal status (given their political 
>control of places like San Francisco. In Colorado voters rejected a proposal 
>which would have given gays and lesbians the status of an underrepresented 
>ethnic minority and would make them qualify for State Affirmative Action 
>programs and special legal status, when in fact they are overrepresented 
>economically, are very affulent, have much more  political clout, than say... 
>blacks.  The voters decision simply says were not in favor of people 
>discriminating you (as we're not in favor of anybody discriminating against 
>anybody), but we won't give you the same monetary and special legal status 
>given to Native Americans.  I thinks a very reasonable decision and I don't 
>know why their making such a fuss about it, they even want to compare the 
>Colorado vote with the Arizona one refusin to conmemorate King's Holiday!!  


>Edelmiro

As far as I understand, Gays and Lesbians are asking for equal protection
under the law and not for special rights.
Also, I understand that it has nothing to do with Affirmative Action  programs.

Someone might want to clarify this.

AAP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:55:36 GMT

In article <2B4CBF41.1622@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.202448.15265@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>In article <2B4C706C.23805@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
>
>>
>>Can you explain why?
>
> I you need explanation on this one, then it'll be a waste of time on my
> part to explained to you!
>
>>> In adoption procedings most government agencies and most black citizens even
>>> oppose adoption of black children by white couples, so adoption of children
>>> by gays seems to me would be more of a traumatic experience than being raised
>>> by couples of another race.....
>>>
>>
>>Can you explain why?
>
> See above

Buena forma de esquivar el bulto.
Hace ya un a~o mas o menos, tuve un largo debate en a.p.h. sobre el tema de
adopcion y ni~os creciendo en casas con dos padres homosexuales (quizas
Greg Parkinson lo recuerde), solo queria saber si existen mas opiniones
que las mias y las que lei alla.


>
>>See, you and Castro have some points in common after all!
>
> Maybe, but not as many as you and him have in common!
>

Hasta ahora no has hecho mas que acusar inutilmente, sin posibilidad de
demostrar que tenga una sola coincidencia con el.
Siempre la misma cosa: Como decia Goebbels, el minsitro de propaganda de 
los nazis: Repeti una misma mentira suficiente cantidad de veces y se
convertira en verdad.



>
>
>--
>Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
>Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
>UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
>

AAp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: estupideses sobre sendero
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:23:21 GMT
Organization: is quite useful
NNTP-Posting-Host: ips-server

Julio Gonzalez escribio:

>	A proposito del Peru. Una pregunta general. Aqui
>	se habla de que Fujimori no es democratico, pero
>	tambien se dice que 70% del pueblo respalda sus
>	acciones. Es esto cierto ?

Estoy muy seguro de que Adolf Hitler tambien era muy popular,
o Mussolini, o ... Atila.  La popularidad no implica democracia
o viceversa.

Saludos,

Aldo Castillo
From: ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Clinton to recognize Cuba's right to self-determination.
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:22:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Julio Gonzalez writes:

>        Could this be possible ?  I read that J F Kennedy sent
>        an emissary to propose this to P. Castro. The condition was
>        for Cuba not to be a Soviet puppet. Now that the "Cold War"
>        is over, could P. Clinton restablish relations with Cuba ?

Well he complained four months ago that Bush had "lost the opportunity to let 
the hammer fall on Castro".  So, perhaps you should ask him if he has changed 
his views on the matter.  For the moment is seems the day of reckoning with 
Castro is getting closer.  We still remember how he wanted to press the nuclear 
button, and we are willing to pay him back with compounded interests.

>          I think it would be convinient to the USA, otherwise
>        that unexploited market will be lost to the japanese (once
>        again ).

Well, if they wan't to invest in such politically risky environment let them.  
Who knows, maybe the hotels which are currently there will be ransacked in the 
coming Cuban revoulution, or the profits will simply have to be siphoned fstered by investors in the U.S..  Investing in 
Cuba's political climate right now is only slightly better than investing in 
Nicaragua.  The stock market will be like a childs game compared to investing 
in Cuba.  In the event it succeeds, Cuba will return to the times before the 
"revoultion", though this would do some injustice to Batista, who never did as 
well in the whore buisiness as Castro's sex tours.  Why don't you go down there 
Julio and grab yourself a couple of Cuban 15 year olds for 6 bucks a night?  Is 
this government sponsored prostitution the revolution which you defend so 
vehemently Julio?

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Spanish-English translation software
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:37:09 GMT

There is no text in this article.  Ar you selling translation SW?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: joseq@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov (Jose Quinones Cerezo)
Subject: Re: Olvida mi nombre
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:50:49 GMT

In article <9301121701.AA00530@physics.Berkeley.EDU> wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:
>Aquellas palabras, "Olvida mi nombre," son las principales de una 
>cancion de dos argentinos fantasticos, hermano y hermana, cuyo 
>nombre, lastimamente, !me olvide!  En sus canciones son siempre 
>amantes que no son de acuerdo en nada.  Como pareja de cancionistas 
>tienen el nombre de un flor muy raro.  ?Hay algun lector que sabe
>quienes son?
>
>Gene Ledbetter/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu


Si no me equivoco se esta refiriendo al Duo Pimpinela


joseq@lerc.nasa.gov        | "Por que el pan de Dios
Jose R. Quinones-Cerezo    |  lo tiene todo el mundo
NASA/Lewis Research Center |  pero el agua de Dios
Cleveland  Ohio            |  solo Aguadilla"      - Jose de Diego

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: dli@uceng.uc.edu (Dapeng Li)
Subject: Trading Information Needed
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:51:39 GMT

Hello, Netters:

	I am asking your help.

	We want to export cars to South America and Carribean.  Any of your
expertises are welcome.  Following are some of our concerns:

	1) How to sell cars there?
	2) What kind of market over there?
	3) How to do business with those countries there?

	Thanks in advance for your inputs.

	Please response to dapeng@aicv02.ece.uc.edu
From: jbarth@ep.ieee.org (Jeremy Barth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human rights in the USA.
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:07:36 GMT
Reply-To: jbarth@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

Edelmiro asks:

> How can HIV treatment of AIDS prisoners in Cuban AID jails be
> so excellent when there if common Cubans can't even purchase 
> common aspirin in the black or white market for a simple headache?

Yes, there are shortages of basic medicines in Cuba.  There is
an economic depression there after all, due in part to economic
mismanagement on the part of the Cuban state, but also due in no 
small part to the US embargo and to the control of commodity
prices by the G-10 countries.

On AIDS patients in Cuba, if you're really interested in the
issue, and not in making polemical points, why don't you read
some of the articles in the New England Journal of Medicine and
the American Public Health Association's various publications?
There's been plenty written on the subject by health professionals
with no axe to grind, many of whom are very critical of the 
detention approach.


> No, no, no, there is plenty of treatment available for aids 
> patients in the U.S., however the more expensive ones aren't 
> covered by insurance companies ...

Precisely!  You can get treatment if you're covered by insurance.
But 37 million Americans are NOT covered by any form of insurance,
and another 50 million are UNDERinsured.  (These numbers are from
the Government Accounting Office.)  Tens of thousands of AIDS
sufferers in the US are not getting treatment:  read the medical
journals and the government reports.    


> U.S. immigrations does not allow HIV infected people into the
> country, just as we don't allow people with tuberculosis...

Tuberculosis is an infectious disease, AIDS is not -- it's a
communicable disease.  There's a huge difference, which is why
the Immigration and Naturalization Services's (INS) AIDS policy 
has been universally condemned in health care circles.  It makes 
no sense medically, though it served political purposes in the 
Reagan/Bush years.  The world community so disagrees with the INS 
policy that the World AIDS Conferences haven't been held in the US 
for years.


> ... We simply cannot be provide a death bed for the entire world

A very interesting observation...

I'm sure you're aware, however, that the US is widely viewed by the 
rest of the world as a net *exporter* of AIDS.  In a sick twist on 
our colonialist heritage, our military troops are thought to have 
introduced AIDS into the Philippines (especially at the Olongapo base) 
and probably Honduras as well.  Again, read the medical journals if
you're really interested.


Jeremy
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