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From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:44:04 GMT
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science


Kudos to Curtis Moffitt for his great article on the Modes and particularly
on how they relate to the Dead's Music. I'll only add two things:

1> Relating the modes to a Major scale is a very clear way to describe
them and is probably an ok way to "hear" them these days as well
<as permutations of a major scale>. I just wanted to point out
that Modal music in which there was no preference given to the major
scale over the other modes, predates tonal music by hundreds of years.

2> Minor tonalities: when tonality replaced modality in music, the 
characteristic leading tone half step in the minor scales.
The aeolian mode that you've mentioned is also called the natural
minor scale because that's just how it naturally occurs as a mode.
Somewhat more common are the Harmonic and Melodic forms of the scale
which are altered as follows:

Harmonic Minor

whwwhAh where A is an augmented 2nd, this is the same as a minor third,
just spelled differently- this is a pretty exotic sounding scale and
I think you'll catch Jerry playing it pretty often in jams. built
on c the scale would be spelled:

C D Eb F G Ab B C

Melodic Minor Ascening form:

C D Eb F G A B C  note that this is only in the ascending form of the scale,
when going down you play the natural minor form. This ascending form clearly
resembles the major scale and gets it's strong harmonic movement at the 
end from our association of it to the major scales.

Here are two other symetrical scales that sound cool and which will probably
remind you of parts of your favorite space jam:

Whole-tone : there are whole steps between every scale degree:

C D E F# G# A# C

Octatonic or Diminished Scales (Jerry Likes these, Stravinsky liked these, all
jazzers LOVE these; they alternate whole steps with half steps):

C C# D# E F# G A Bb or
C D Eb F Gb Ab A B

practise patterns with these and days and weeks will pass by before you've
noticed that you've forgotten to eat or leave your house....
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From: snahas@TD2CAD.INTEL.COM (steven nahas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Speaking of tunings
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:23:27 GMT


I heard some really pleasant, yet with a somewhat eerie sound to it,
piano on KPFA ~ 0930 PST on Friday, August 7th.

Then they interviewed the composer!

He tunes the piano to natural harmonics, I beieve.  There is a special 
name for this kind of tuning.  Anyone care to chime in?

Also, I'd like to find this guy's recordings.  I don't remember the label
but his name might be Harrington, not sure, and the the title might be 
something along the lines of Mysterious Traveller, but not that, of course!

Can anyone help me fill in these blanks of my memory? KPFA afficiandos?

Thanks in advance.

seastones
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Deadicated Comments
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:23:46 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Todd Brown) writes:
>(John J. Wood) writes:
>>DEADICATED II,
>>what artists would you choose for any particular Dead song and why?
>>One matchup to get the ball rolling:  Leon Russell - "High Time"
>Joe Cocker - Easy Wind:-)

Here's a few more; some are easy match-ups, others try to stretch a song
toward a different interpretation:

Amy Grant         - Looks Like Rain (clear, beautiful voice)
Neville Bros      - Hard to Handle/Women R Smarter (down n funky)
Johnny Cash       - Dire Wolf (classic voice for a classic country song)
Eric Clapton      - Built to Last (soaring guitar)
Ice T             - Victim or the Crime (think about it as a rap song...)
Larry Bird and    - Cumberland Blues (Just think of Larry singin'
Kevin McHale          "Lotta po man got the Cumerlin Blues" Indianer Style
                      and McHale singing "Lotta poor man make a 5 dollar
                      bill" Wisgonsin style.  This is the video!)
Billy Idol        - Hell in a Bucket (just kidding...I think)
Willie Nelson     - Bird Song (I always heard Willie sing this in my mind)
Branford Marsalis - Weather Report Suite (I know he did Let it Grow on 'Net,
                      but this would be the whole thing instrumental)
Bonnie Rait       - Playin' (fast and driving)
Huey Lewis        - One More Saturday Night (see above)
Dan Hicks         - Tennesee Jed (humorous version)
James Taylor      - Franklin's Tower (always loved James. Maybe he could narrate
                      the Ben Franklin myth on Sesame Street?)

Matt
And I'll sing "Late for Supper"
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From: wpc@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Claspy)
Subject: Re: deadicated II suggestion
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:22:07 GMT


Ken sez-

>How about Willie Nelson doing Stella Blue ?

Oooooh, I LIKE that idea!
B
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Internet- wpc@po.cwru.edu
MaBellnet- (216) 368-3595
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From: wpc@po.CWRU.Edu (William P. Claspy)
Subject: Re: Lithuanian Basketball Shirts
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:53:28 GMT


Somebody out there PUH-LEEEZE keep us posted on the developments here.
Hopefully GDM will get their hands on these babies so as us folks not
fortunate enough to live in the bay area can get OUR hands on them.

B
-- 
William Claspy			Case Western Reserve University
Internet- wpc@po.cwru.edu
MaBellnet- (216) 368-3595
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:07:42 GMT

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Speaking of tunings
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:57:21 GMT

In article <9208132323.AA05065@td2cad> snahas@TD2CAD.INTEL.COM (steven nahas) writes:
>
>I heard some really pleasant, yet with a somewhat eerie sound to it,
>piano on KPFA ~ 0930 PST on Friday, August 7th.
>
>Then they interviewed the composer!
>
>He tunes the piano to natural harmonics, I beieve.  There is a special 
>name for this kind of tuning.  Anyone care to chime in?
>
 It's called "just intonation" as opposed to "equal-temperament" which
 is more of what we're used to.


>Also, I'd like to find this guy's recordings.  I don't remember the label
>but his name might be Harrington, not sure, and the the title might be 
>something along the lines of Mysterious Traveller, but not that, of course!
>
That name doesn't ring a bell but there are plenty of people into
this kind of thing - Lamont Young is a fairly famous one



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From: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Subject: Re: Refund question......
Reply-To: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:06:04 GMT


In a previous article, begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer) says:

>
>	Haven't seen a response to seomone else's previous post, so I thought
>I'd ask:
>
>	Returning 8 tix?  I assume $.29 is correct, right?  If I recall from
>ordering info., the breakdown goes from 1-8 to 9-12, right?

Yeah, that is right, .52 for 9-16, .23 per ounce after the first ounce, so...
16 to 23 would be .75. You may want to send them back registered or certified
as a precaution.  I photocopied mine and took my chances.

>	Second, can I send back Cap, Centre. and Philly in the same envelope?
>Anybody want to assuage my fears.......?????

Steve Marcus put a post on the well, that basically said, they would prefer
that shoreline and veneta not be sent in with the east coast tickets.  He said
that it was ok to send in all your east coast tix in one envelope.  Make sure
you put the right postage on your outgoing envelope.

Rich

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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The Astrological Explanation (Was Re: Nicotine Addicts Unite!)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:14:37 GMT
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA

In article <1992Aug19.151932.10344@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu> jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff) writes:
> But last week was such a hell-week that I'm *almost* ready to 
> believe any explanation.. for those of you watching out, my informed 
> source says that Mercury begins another retrograde loop around
> November 10th, so look for more cosmic ripples (that's the ODC :-) 
> around then.
>
> Get well soon, Jer, the retrograde is over for now....

Thats it! I don't believe in that stuff either, but there must be
somrthing to it, cause my karma just changed.

I just won tickets to SANTANA/PHISH tomorrow night, thought I was
going to miss this one, I'm broke but see good things can happen.

YAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>dtodd@well.sf.ca.us            / | \                               <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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From: stephensd@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Boston Garden postponed ?????
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:20:17 GMT

Here is a piece of an article that is read this morning.
From: The Boston Herald 8/12/92
"...Jerry Garcia is suffering from exhaustion.  
     Additionally, dates when non-mail-order tickets were to go
on sale for the Dead's East Coast tour next month -- 
including five shows at the Boston Garden beginning Sept. 25 --
have been postponed until further notice, according to a 
recording yesterday on the band's telephone hotline...."
Has anyone else heard this? 
I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed for now.  <sigh>
And these were to be my first shows...
I'm still waiting to hear from mail order.  
Don
From: klp@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kevin Prigge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons shoreline loves deadheads
Date: 23 Aug 92 08:05:05 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Top 10 Reasons Why Shoreline Loves Deadheads

* We can do early shopping in the Deadhead vendor mall
* Lots of overtime
* Old friends show up out of nowhere
* Twirling is good exercise
* Veggie burritos
* We know your questions ahead of time
* Tapers are always willing to make copies for us
* We're all looking for a miracle
* We get to practice repeating ourselves over and over and over...
* We love the music

From a picture of the shirt in Relix...
From: rafael@cats.ucsc.edu (David Konerding)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: question about TFTV
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:23:29 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



	I have a question about Two From the Vault- specifically, part of
New Potato Caboose.  At 5.40' into the track, Phil lays down this killer
bass solo which the band slowly follows him into.  It's very noticeable.
It also sounds incredibly familiar- familiar to some classical tune I've
heard before.  I can't place it however, so I can't find the actual original
composition although one friend is convinced that it's Bach.  Does ANYBODY
recognize this, or is it purely improvisation?

	Also, has anybody gone back and listened to the Other One on
Anthem of the Sun since listening to TFTV?  When I listen to AotS, it's
obvious they spliced LOTS of different performances into one suite, but
by listening closely to the guitar solos- which are very faint, because of
the "trippy" mixing they did- I hear some solos which sound like they were
taken straight from TFTV's live recording.  Could some other folks out
there with CD or vinyl AotS and good headphones check this out?  It's weird
but it sounds like the solos are note for note the same at TFTV, although
the shows AotS were taken from don't include the LA Forum.

	Oh, yeah- at 2:00 into China Cat on Aoxomoxoa there's some back
masking.  Anybody have a deck that can play it backwards and find out what
it says?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc)
Subject: Re: smokin' at shows
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:30:45 GMT

In article <SOWA.92Aug21112040@netcom.com> sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa) writes:
>>>>>> "Steve" == Steve  <sjeck@isi.com> writes:
>

>Maybe it was because the French smoke dogshit rolled up in old socks and
>cured by rotting in the gutter over the winter. Or at least it smells
>that way to me.

Well, I have never had a french, but I have had canadian, turkish, and
egyptian cigs. Yes they smell like camel shit and offend everyone (part
of the fun!) but they smoke a hell of a lot smoother and taste much better
than ANY american crapola add lots of burning agents smoke. I don't smoke
regularly (1 or 2 a week, maybe), but I put up with sidestream smoke, and
as far as I am concerned, if you don't like it FUCK YOU! Of course, I
would never expect someone to have to breathe sidestream every day in a
crowded office, bus, car, subway,etc. , but once in a while at a show,
or in a hallway, or outside? Please! There are things out there that are
a lot worse than a little sidestream.  

Tom, you are an inconsiderate asshole. Go fuck yourself.

OK, I flamed myself,  so noboby else has to waste bandwidth doing it.

redfreak


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: St. Stephen music structure/V-IV-I
Keywords: musical analysis alert
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:41:20 GMT

 duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
>
>I don't hear it in D major, I hear it in E mixolydian.  It starts and ends
>on E - do you folks really hear D or A as the tonic?
>
>Looking at it this way, E D A E is   I  IV-of-IV  IV  I.  The "IV-of-IV"
>is what I think of as a secondary sub-dominant, analogous to the secondary
>dominant "V-of-V".  It's not at all common in "classical" music but it's
>an absolute cornerstone of rock.  (cf.  "Gloria", "Fortunate Son", "I Know
>You Rider").  Some prefer to call the IV-of-IV a bVII, which is also correct 
>but which obscures the cadential relationship.


So, is the chord progression to the bridge ("ladyfinger, dipped in moonlight.."
the same as the rest of the song?

>
>>...but if it's in A your progression is V IV I your 
>> right, but your also wrong because thats not a common progression, 
>
>Again, perhaps not in classical music but it is fairly common in rock.
>(cf. "Werewolves of London", which is nothing but V IV I for the entire 
>song.)

In additon to werewolves, this one shows up in:
Sweet Home Alabama
Suzy Greenburg (phish tune)

and many others. So how about it, cover band members of the .net?

Werewolves->Sweet Home->Suzy->Werewolves gonna be in your setlists any time
soon???? :-)

-rob


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From: s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Re: FALL TOUR CANCELLED!-TRUE!!
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:42:46 GMT

In article <92226.215252ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Some friends of mine who know Bobby real well just got off the phone with him
>and its official,no tour. sorry

BULLSHIT.  Don't post rumors.  It's bad for all of us.

>        "It's hard to notice when you're high all the time"
>                                      Jerry Josephs
>

-jg

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From: roberg@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Deadicated II: REM & Mountains of the Moon
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: roberg@athena.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Someone a few days ago posted a suggestion for Deadicated II (is this really
going to be or are we all just rapping off the possibility???) anyway
this would have to be done in the old REM style where one couldn't understand
a single word of what was being sung! 
Their "Happy Shiny Everywhere" style would trash it but their "Perfect Circle"
style would be fantastic...of course then it might be hard to differentiate
their version from the original!!!!!
*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>*+*<>
Kevin Roberg <(8^}              15,000  children had a chance to go...
56-534                          Long train running from coast to coast
77 Mass. Ave.                   Bringing home a party when you need it the most
Cambridge, Ma.  02139           Work on the box car, beat on the bell
(617)253-9838                   Nothing else shaking so you might just as well.
email: roberg@athena.mit.edu         ----ahhhh no shows to go to though!!!!!!!!
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Subject: Smokin' at shows - a true story ;Q
From: jlovkay@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:18:00 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Some fellas three rows in front of us at the Worcester Centrum lit up cigars
during the Springsteen concert last week. The people in both rows between us
and them left ! Where they went I never could figure, the place was sold out.
Anyway, a security guard did come up and tell them to extinguish, and they did
so. But they lit up again 5 minutes later (when the guard had left the area),
so I ventured down, and tried to explain that the reason they had been asked to
put the cigars out was because the smoke was annoying and obnoxious, and I then
told them that it made me feel ill, and would they please smoke elsewhere ?
Well, they looked stunned. How dare I ? How should they respond ? They did not.
I returned to my seat, and watched from behind as they lit up again. So I
retrieved the security guard, and he once again spoke with them. This time they
quit for good, I imagine he may have warned of expulsion. 

Imagine that, problem resolved, and I didn't even have to draw my guns !

Judging from the look on their faces, asking nicely was nearly enough to start
a fight, I rather not imagine their response had I shot them with a water
pistol. That has to be about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time !

But then again, our good President George Bush taught the entire world that
excessive force _is_ the only way to resolve problems (at least if you have the
biggest guns and sales are slumping)

Later, Jim

ps -I made Jerry a tomato & love sandwhich, do you think it would keep if I
sent it 4th class, or should I send it overnight ;)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:52:52 EDT
From: <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: FALL TOUR CANCELLED!-TRUE!!

  Some friends of mine who know Bobby real well just got off the phone with him
 and its official,no tour. sorry
         "It's hard to notice when you're high all the time"
                                       Jerry Josephs
From: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com (Rob Gilde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:25:35 GMT
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: oestline@maui.qualcomm.com (Ofer Estline)
Subject: KICKING THE HABIT 
Summary: good luck!
Keywords: keep at it
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:54:16 GMT

	To all of you wise ones who gave up smoking recently:

	As a person who gave up smoking after 8 lung-damaging
	years, I wanted to tell you that although you may feel
	like you want a cigarette badly, as time passes you wil
	remember you need a cigarette less and less.  Every
	moment that goes by means a moment closer to the addiction
	going away.  

	I gave it up back in Jan 92, and still feel an urge from 
	time to time, but it's much easier to oppose now.

	So good luck, and keep up a strong will, no matter how
	or what Jerry decides to do with his habit (QUIT JERRY!).

		Remember, we're all pullin for y'all in the office!

			(! (Too much of everything is just enough))
					--OE
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      /|		JUST MHO ...
   ./'/|		ooo  ooooo ooooo ooo	   Ofer Estline
   |/' |    .	       o   o ooo   ooo   oo o	   oestline@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
   | ()'    |\/	        ooo  o     ooooo o  o	   oestline@maui.qualcomm.com
 ()'        |	       
   	  ()'	   (),  		      "... and it's too late
		     |  		           to use the weight
		     |/'		       	   you used to need
		     ` 				   to throw around "  --R.Waters
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!