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From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (R.M.Viknarasah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: pattinaththar  --cont'd
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:14:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


>From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>Subject: Re: pattinaththAr
>Date: 4 Jan 93 22:31:06 GMT
>
>
>   I think somebody should have the "pakkuvam" to read siththar poems.

I opt to differ. If one has found "pakkuvam" the he/she need not read
anything. His "thavam" period will then be over. He should start
"thAnam"  i.e he should start writing. It is we who have not achieved
"pakkuvam" should read these works of great minds & try to get
enlightened.
        Siththar pAdal is for anybody who wishes to evolve in a 
spiritual/mental plane.

>Some siththars are blunt and not very poetic. But
>some of them are very good. thirumoolar was the first and foremost. 
>raamlinga vaLLalaar was the last and one of the
>greatest siththars. 

 I think you misunderstood what I was arriving at. I too feel that most
of the siththar songs are good (not just "some"). That is the reason
why I wanted to know the circumstances under which siththars (pattinaththar in
particular) are borne. It is their "bluntness" attracts me more. If I need
poetic pleasure I would have gone to Kambar or Ilango.

                    I have great regards to him. I will post some of
his writings esp ones he wrote after being enlightened.
                   But currently my interest lies in the transition
period ie the time between the wished to be enlightened & the
stage of their enlightment. I am told that it is this stage upto
which one can share the feelings. Beyond that

  "kandavar vindadhillai
   vindavar kandadhillai"

ie
   those who have seen havenot spoken (about it)
   those who spoke havenot seen it
   

       
>The siththars wanted to renounce "aasai"
>maNaasai, peNaasai and ponaasai.-lust for land, women and women.
 
   I have mentioned this in my previous posting.
>
> siththars wrote independent of each other.    aruNagiri is one of the siththars who has written a lot
>of sweet poems. His experiences with women are included in thiruppugazh.

As I said before I am now not in search of "sweet" poems. 
I am rather interested in the "making of siththars".

>But if you take unconnected sentences they will seem pervert for
>somebody without "pakkuvam". One should not take things out
>of context.

    Again it is neither my intention nor my belief to portray pattinaththar
as a "pervert". On the contrary I reagard him as one of great minds.
I  did not  take it out of context. It seems to me as "well within the context".


[deleted]

    I enjoyed your etracts from arunagiri.
(doubt ! I donot think that he is considered as a "siththar". He is
one of 63 nAyanmAr. )

  Thanks for you time , effort & interest.

>
>   iKathiravan
>


     raj
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: alt.hindu Newsgroup
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:07:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

[ Posting deleted ]

   This posting should have been posted to soc.culture.indian
and I sent it to soc.culture.tamil by mistake. I am sorry for
my mistake. 

 - SP.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: Thiruppaavai Verses 18-20
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:48:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.174643.18163@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>
>I think that the word `vaacakam' in his
>`Thiruvaacakam' has a Sanskrit origin. Is it from `vasanam' ?

"Vacha" in Sanskrit means (this is from memory) "to speak", "to say", etc. 
"Vachakam" means "speech," "saying, etc.   "Thiru-vacakam" means something
like "blessed" or "holy" speech, saying, or speech or saying about holy things.
From: kumar@syswit.kat.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Hello!
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:53:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48301
Distribution: world
Organization: Witcon System Inc., SanJose, CA

paritchaartha thabaal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Meaning of song in Roja
From: ipandian@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:32:49 -0600
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax2.cstp.umkc.edu

In article <1993Jan9.112609.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, smuthu@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> Hi netters,
> I heard the following line in a song (Chinna chinna aasai) in the film Roja. 
>  	"Chitthiraikku mele selai katta aasai"
> Can someone kindly explain me the meaning of this line? Thanks in advance.
> 
> --Senthilkumar 

I think it means she wants to get married by chitthirai, when i saw the movie i
remember her wearing a half-saree, hence the meaning i derived. 

Some more knowledgable tamil netters might give a more precise interpretaion.
bye
ilenchezhian

ipandian@vax1.umkc.edu.



> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.culture.kerala
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: 'izhi' in thiruppaavai 22
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:34:28 GMT

'izhi-ndhEl' is translated as 'please remove/get rid off'.
However in Modern Tamil izhi /izhivu  means 'demeaning'.

In today's kannada (iLi) and malayaLam (izhi) it is used to mean
'descend/get off' (irangu). A word very commonly heard in busses in Karnataka.
In Tamil that sounds like 'iLi' (smile showing all teeth), probably
that is why it has gone out of usage in Tamil.

izhi/irakku also means extract/remove/get rid off as in 'mudi irakku'
 (getting head(mudi) shaved off in temples)

There are a number of such words in thiruppaavai, whose meaning appear
to have changed in modern Tamil, but retained in other south indian
languages. If there is any interest, I can list them some time.

K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sramacha@nyx.cs.du.edu (srivatsan ramachandran)
Subject: accomodation
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:20:54 GMT


looking for accomodation for my brother in los angeles who plans to attend
West Coast University.  interested readers please respond.  willing to
share a room.  my brother is arriving in a very soon.  students attending
University of Southern California in Los Angeles can also consider this
request.  I understand that this school is close to USC.  Thanks and my
brother is from Madras. byeb

Srivatsan Ramachandran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: pattinaththar  --cont'd
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:29:40 GMT

In article <C0EsJC.3xz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
> 
>       P.S. Please excuse spelling and grammatical mistakes, thanks.
>            Sorry for being a long one too !

I for one is enjoying the discussions, and I am sure I am not alone.

S_Bala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: g9205802@cc.uow.edu.au (muralidharan chinnaiyan)
Subject: nEyar viruppam-ivvarappadal
Summary: nEyar viruppam-ivvarappadal
Keywords: nEyar viruppam-ivvarappadal
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 04:44:19 GMT


                    nEyar viruppam
                    ==============

kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu
kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu
vaazhvilE vaLarnNthirukku naadu
Ezhai vazhiyai mattum thaduththu nikkuthu mEdu
kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu

Ezhai padum paadu.... athil ezhunNthu nikkuthu veedu
Ezhai padum paadu athil ezhunNthu nikkuthu veedu
avan iruppathuvum paduppathuvum kuruvi vaazhum koodu
iruppaveNGka kodukkanum illaathevan edukkanum
iruppaveNGka kodukkanum illaathevan edukkanum
adhai thaduppavarai maRuppavarai sattam.. pOttu.. pidikkanum

kELamma kELu..... 
kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu

thavithavikkiRa Ezhaikkaaka thittam pOdanum
poruLai sari samamaa paNGku vaikka sattam pOdanum
thavithavikkiRa Ezhaikkaaka thittam pOdanum
poruLai sari samamaa paNGku vaikka sattam pOdanum
kuviyak kuviya viLaivathellaam kooRu pOdanum
kuviyak kuviya viLaivathellaam kooRu pOdanum
Ezhai kudisaikkuLLE paalum thEnum aaRaai Odanum
paalum...thEnum ....aaRaai Odanum

kELamma kELu..... 
kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu

saalayilE mEdu paLLam vaNdiyaith thadukkum
naattu janaNGkaLilE mEdu paLLam thEsaththayE kedukkum
saalayilE mEdu paLLam vaNdiyaith thadukkum
naattu janaNGkaLilE mEdu paLLam thEsaththayE kedukkum
Ezhai manam kObappattaal ennennamO nadakkum
Ezhai manam kObappattaal ennennamO nadakkum
adhai eNNip paarththu natanNthu koNdaal nimmadhi kidaikkum....kidaikkum

kELamma kELu..... 
kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu
vaazhvilE vaLarnNthirukku naadu
Ezhai vazhiyai mattum thaduththu nikkuthu mEdu.....mEdu
kELamma sinna ponnu kELu
un kELvikku pathilaich cholvEn kELu


anbudan,

V.R.Kumar

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Re: AP Brahmins
Keywords: Brahmins, Kapalika, Sakthi, Religious Practices
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:17:21 GMT

This is in response to Raghavan Jayaraman's posting.

My intention is to keep the discussion strictly to the academic
side of Tantric worship, and which classes of tantric worshippers
were brought into the fold of the vedanta, and the classes that
are outside the pale. 

As for as I know, Brahmins in AP do not constitute such sects.
As I can read from you, it is also the case that Brahmins
in TN do not constitute such sects.

The question is about the nonbrahmin segments of the society
who are indeed (even in AP) in Vedantic hold. Whether they perform
such designated rituals or not is immaterial. The fact is that
many of them do not follow the Shakthi cults. Note that I am drawing a
distinction between Kshudra Sakthis (like the Gangamma, Ankalamma,
Poleramma, and other tin-pot villiage goddesses), because they
are not worshipped on a regular basis even in the nonbrahmin
communities. Further villiage traditions establish a hierarchy
in the gods.

For example in our villiage, the Venkteswara temple and its lord
is the primary lord. The villiage boundaries are policed by two
kshudra sakthis. One is Gangamma and another is Poleramma. Their
boundaries do not intersect. When the villiagers have good harvests,
they tend to offer a Jaatara for Gangamma. They sacrifice a lot
of animals; I will write another note about it. But I am unable
to see these Jaataras in the tantric worship mold, because there
is no such exotic ritual and none of the philosophy books refer
to these modes of worship when they talk of Tantra.
So if we leave aside such worships which are in any case accepted 
as native customs, we are left with identifying sects which folow the
exotic versions which offer human sacrifices, and the sexuality
elements; note that from what I can make out of Radha Krishnan
and other books, the sexuality in tantric worship is physical.
It is the body-soul relationship. There is a fundamemental
difference between devotionalism of the Ramanuja variety; 
the devotionalism of Ramanuja (atually VallaBbha is more
approariate) variety. 

It is these sects we have to identify, and see how many of
them are extant in AP and in TN. As for as I know, if not as a sect,
at least as a Saadhu there is one bloke that I have seen who
indulges in Sakthi worship in our villiage. 

...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Kuram Narayana on Tamil kings
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:55:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.181135.29255@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>
>In a previous article, narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) says:
>
>>A.L. Bhasham in his book "Wonder that India was" writes
>>that the aboriginal Tamils of the Pandya, Chera, and Chola 
>>regions were fierce warriors, and they used to fight wars
>>among themselves out of hatred for one another. The author
>>specifically mentions that after each war these people 
>>used to conduct "cannibalistic festivals" to celebrate
>>victories. There is an edict of emperor Ashoka that he
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>brought righteousness to the Pandya, Chera, and Chola 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>country.
^^^^^^^^^^

         It would be useful to quote this 'edict'. The tamil
         kingdoms were not conquered by emperor Asoka as is well
         known. In fact Asoka did mention the kingdoms outside
        his  empire and the Tamil kingdoms are so mentioned. 
        I am not aware when  he (Asoka) 'brought' righteousness to
        these kingdoms! 

         Kuram Narayana's claim that 'cannibalistic festivals'
         were conducted to celebrate victories of 'aboriginal Tamils of
         Pandya, Chera, and Chola' ( after each war) - apparently 
         referred to by Bhasham sounds extremely strange. I hope Kuram
         Narayana has not imbibed the spirit of a prolific poster from 
         'gmuvax' ;-) ;-)  
         
>>
>>What are these cannibalistic festivals? Were there any
>>Tantric rituals that these cannibals used to practice
>>in those rituals. Are there any pointers to the exact
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>ritual (the sources and their authentic translations,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>preferably not the Tamil scholars).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

           If Kuram Narayana knows a little Sanskrit he can post
           the details of rituals of 'Purushamedha Yaga' which is
           definitely available. I don't understand why
           Kuram Narayana is so interested in 'cannibalism' now,
           quite suddenly ! Has he been reading or researching
           Jeffrey Dahmers case ? ;-) ;-)



           
>>
>>...kt
>>
>
>-- 
>

         

            - Selva

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mani@Mirada.Stanford.EDU (Mani Varadarajan)
Subject: Re: Thiruppaavai Verse 29
Reply-To: mani@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:01:43

In article <1993Jan12.055302.12718@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:

   >etraikkum Ezh Ezh piRavikkum un thannOdu
   >utrOmE aavOm umakkE naam aatcheyvOm
		 ^^^^^^
    A typo here. It is `unakkE'.

No, I think it is "umakkE".  But someone with an
authoritative text should verify this.

   >desiring your grace (paRai koLvaan) just for today (itrai). Forever
   >(etraikkum), for sevens (Ezh Ezh) of births (piRavikkum), we will be (aavOm)
		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     I have read this in ThirukkuRaL also. [ `ezhu piRappu' ]. What are these
    seven births ? Is it from Jainism ?

The phrase "seven births" is a metaphor for "all my ancestors",
"all my descendants", or both.  For example, in the TiruppallANDu
of Vishnucitta (Andal's father), he says, "For seven generations
have we been your servants ... ", meaning that for countless
years, his family has been in the service of the Lord.

This expression occurs frequently in the Alvar literature, and I
think it is an old Tamil literary tradition.  I don't think it is
particularly associated with Jainism.

   >in peace (utrOmE) with you (un thannOdu). We (naam) will let ourselves be
   >ruled (aatcheyvOm)  by you (umakkE). Please remove (maatru) our (nam) other
			       ^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      I know that the word `maatraan' means `enemy' or a `person with a 
    different faith'. I don't know how the meaning `enemy' come from
    `maatru' meaning `change' or `remove'.

I think "change" for "maatru" is a better definition, and with
this in mind, it's not hard to envision how the word "maatraan"
comes about.  It is not unlikely that one who changed his faith
was considered a heretic or an enemy.

Mani
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: an3919@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Kuram Narayana on Tamil Kings.... Another PMK
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:23:29 GMT


Mathurai cholakattabomman anti-civilization Kathivaran writes:
narayana@oracorp.com (K.T. Narayana) writes:

>> ............ There is an edict of emperor Ashoka that he
>> brought righteousness to the Pandya, Chera, and Chola
>> country.

> It is a humanist culture. We gave refuge to Jews
> in 167 AD. The copper plates owned by Jews in malabar written

Ha ha, *we* did not give refuge, they did! Cheras arte keralites and
thankfully not pandis. While malayalam might have evolved out of
Tamil, Chera culture and all the subsequent rulers were very different
in their cultural and humanistic background. Kerala has been ruled by
aryanized or aryan rulers 9notwithstanding the commie assertions otherwise)
and kerala rulers did have a caste system which is an aryan influence/relic.
Kerala developed rich literature which was written in a language
called Manipravalam which was mixture of Sanskrit with malayalam.
So, do not take credit for what was not yours.

> culture as opposed to your RSSical/hitlerite/aryanical/kuramiccal lineage.
> you are a foul rascal

So anyone who says the truth is Hitlerite, eh? If there is any development
in Tamil Nadu it is because of the Aryan influence. In spite of that,
it is one state ( not counting Bihar) where sycophancy and dictatorship
and primitive-ass kissing is taken for democracy. It is the only
Indian state where freedom of press is openly challenged by the
legislature, examples of which are numerous. The fisrt state to start
idol worshipping some imbecile movie actor, first state to elevate
his concubine to chief ministership after he died, first state where
semi-literate movie starlets run the affairs of the state, the honors go
to Tamil Nadu. All this after the intellegent Aryanized population was
ousted from all benevolent positions by semi-humans whose clans wage war
in other countries donning terrorist outfits.

Even now, if Tamil Nadu is known to the outside world, it is because of
the Brahmins who use their brains to bring glory to the whole country,
not because of the rest of the sub-humans. You should be ashamed Mr
kattabomman pathalamackal kachi, to run down the aryans to support
the blood-thirsty sub-humans and to take credit of other people's
generosity as yours.

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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: kindal - idhu kadi yugam !!
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:03:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48418
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


kindal varigaL!! en kaalaNaak kaduthaasi(two cent posting translated:-))



------------------------------------------------------------------------

manaivi : "unnai naan aRivEn, ennai anRi yaar aRivaar?"

kaNavan : ethirtha veetu lalitha...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

avan : thOlvi nilaiyena ninaithaal, manithan....

ivan : gOli aadalaamaa?
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avaL : oruthi oruvanai ninaithu vittaal andha uRavukku peyarenna?

avan : jollu
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avan : maasila nilavE nam kaadhalai magizhvOdu, maanilam kondaaduthE!

avaL : aamaam, enga appaavai thavira!
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kaNavan: enna satham indha nEram?

manaivi : eli ya irukkum! thoNa thoNangaama thoongunga!
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avan : manidha, manidha, ini un vizhigaL sivanthaal...

ivan : 'madras-eye' varum!!
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Examination hall....

Teacher : akkam pakkam paarkaathE, chinna raasa!
	  adi vaangi saagaathE, chinna raasa!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 65
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:58:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48270
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR



	"aaLum vaLaranum aRivum vaLaranum adhu thaandaa vaLarchchi!
	unnai aasaiyOdu eenRavaLukku adhuvE nee tharum makizhchchi!
	naaLum ovvoru paadam kooRum kaalam tharum payirchchi !
	un narambOdu thaan pinni vaLaranum thanmaana unarchchi!"

	From "chinnap payalE..."

	Contributed by Satish Subramaniam.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Thiruppaavai Verse 29
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:00:27 GMT


I am posting this on behalf of 
Dr. K. Srinivasan (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca).

Regards,
Aravind.

===================================================================

\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
\(TAMIL20) 29. raagam: saavEri
\beginbox
sitram siRu kaalE vandhu unnai sEviththu un
potraamarai adiyE pOtrum poruL kELaay
petram mEyththu uNNum kulaththil piRandhu nee
kutru Eval engaLai(k) koLLaamal pOgaadhu
itrai(p) paRai koLvaan anRu kaaN gOvindhaa
etraikkum Ezh Ezh piRavikkum un thannOdu
utrOmE aavOm umakkE naam aatcheyvOm
matrai nam kaamangaL maatrElOr embaavaay
\endbox

\c \J
Govindha!, Listen (kELaay) to the reason (poruL) for our coming (vandhu) and
worshipping (sEviththu) you and praising (pOtrum) your golden lotus (pon
thaamarai) feet (adi) at such an early hour (sitram siRu kaalE). You (nee),
who were born (piRandhu) in the community of people (kulaththil), who eat
(uNNum) by rearing (mEyththu) cattle (petram), should not go away (pOgaadhu)
refusing our (engalai) offerings (kutru Eval). Look (kaaN), we are not (anRu)
desiring your grace (paRai koLvaan) just for today (itrai). Forever
(etraikkum), for sevens (Ezh Ezh) of births (piRavikkum), we will be (aavOm)
in peace (utrOmE) with you (un thannOdu). We (naam) will let ourselves be
ruled (aatcheyvOm)  by you (umakkE). Please remove (maatru) our (nam) other
(matrai) desires (kaamangaL).
\j