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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Re: Cruise Missles
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:57:57 EST


25-Jan-93 10:15	hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)	Re: Cruise Missiles (pesar amoo)
>> I don't like Saddam, but I will say that from a purely military point of 
>> view he probably did exactly as he should.  His power was threatened, so he
>> attacked.  

>Peter, I think you are letting your feelings about Khomeini affect your
>judgement. Was Israel justified in bombing Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1980
>because Israel perceived it as a threat? Are Israel's neighbors
>justified in starting a war against Israel if they perceive Israel as a
>threat. Mind you, these are military threats, not ideological ones. Now,
>is communism a threat to capitalism or vise versa? Is such a threat
>worth starting a war over? The U.S. is trying to overthrow Castro;
>should Cuba attack the U.S.? 

I didn't use the word "justified."  I was referring to a strategy.  It may be
wrong and misguided, but military exploits are designed to be _effective_.  Of
course Saddam miscalculated Iran's weaknesses.

>>Death threat...

>This issue is terribly overblown, in my opinion. Rafsanjani has done
>virtually everything in his power to assure the world that Iran has no
>"designs" on Rushdie's life. Such "gestures" have gone essentially
>unnoticed, especially (in my opinion) in the eyes of those who wish to
>continue to villify the Iranian people and government.
 
I am afraid I definitely didn't notice and hence...

>25-Jan-93 javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) Re: Cruise Missiles (pesar amoo)

>Just my $0.02 worth here  - Although Rafsanjani may have made some "gestures",
>top level Iranian political and religious leaders, such as Khamenei who 
>holds the highest position in Iran, and Nategh Noori, etc.  have said many
>many times that the "death sentence" against Rushdie is irreversible, and
>have even backed this up by increasing the amount of the contract on his head.
>Funny how this has come up right when we are talking about Turkish journalists
>defending secularism being killed by fundamentalist organizations....

I have never heard of _any_ effort on Rafsanjani's part to get rid of the
death sentence, and for as long as it stands, I will view Iran's current
regime as petty, barbaric and ultimately out of tune with the love of God.
Again I shouldn't have to say it, but I don't feel that we are farther ahead
in this country.  At least Iran makes its intention's public (as opposed to,
for example, our attempts on Castro's life).
From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Naghdi bar SCI in 92 (episode 2)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:51:22 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

Subject: Re: Naghdi bar SCI in 92 (episode 2)
  
Farhad Shakeri writes:
                           
@ But of course you are unique  Farzin Jon. 
@ 
@ See this is how I see you and label you "A radical Yuppi"  that means
@ 
@ you aint that radical as  Seyyed is/was (he will change too, give him time)
@ and you aint that westernized/yappi (almost) that we ignore you.
@ 
@ We can argue forever but we can't hate each other because maybe we
@ understand each others pains.
  

What is this pointless game you are playing, Farhad? 
  
I have been accused of being a "radical". So now I guess I just have
to "defend" myself. So here is my "defence": I am not a radical.
    
But we all know what you mean. I have dared to say a few things that
your "non-radical" types don't dare say. After all, as Ala once said,
"people try to survive first" (may not be an exact quote).
What do I mean? An example is my questioning of the recent AI report
posted to SCI (to which there was no reply).  
   
So, have I insulted some people? If so, it was not intentional.
I had to say it in my "defence". Why am I what Farhad calls a
"radical"? Because I believe the truth is important ....
Hmmm ..... 
but this is a very abstract answer. He is quite intelligent. Why is
he not like the majority in SCI?!
                              
Good question! I don't know if I have the answer myself. But I am
not so different from you. I am not so bold. You fear the "system".
Me too. But I fear my conscience even more. I respond to my fears
just like you do and the outcome is what you see.
                                       
"In the end, conscience will make cowards of us all".
(I got that from an absorbing spy movie I saw on TV recently)
                             
 - Farzin                  
                
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.)
Subject: Re: Important note to sci-anon-poster's
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:44:50 GMT


in response to babak's attempt at name dropping ("Van Numan") i wrote:

>>poor kid doesnt even know how von neumann is *spelled* and hes trying
>>to throw names around!  sigh. ^^^^^^^^^^^

he said:

>
>That is English Spelling, which is also incorrect.  
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           ^^^^

english spelling?  'also'???  ajab!  what other spellings of 
von neumann (caps or no caps) are there???  i'd really like to know.

>You should have written: Von Neumann

oh forgive me for not properly capitalizing!  its my new years resolution.
he writes 'van numan' (!!!) and picks on my capitalization!  

its even more fun pointing out your ANSI-C 101A errors when you try to 
cover your tracks:

your original (assumed to be ansi-c) program is equivalent to:

1  union u_type { float f1; float f2; } u_var;
2 
3  u_type func( u_var );
4  {
5  ...
6  ...
7   }

tell me, on line 3, is that a:

  - function prototype 
  - function call
  - function definition

note the curlies on lines 4, 7 and then answer.

your claims: 

1. specifying union on line 3 is *not* necessary. 
2. u_var from line 1 and u_var from line 3 are the same.

we'll examine your contradictory claims when you identify
what youre trying to do on line 3.  think about it first.
hint, whichever you pick, there is a major error in your
program.

> Here is classic variable definition example:
                  ^^^^^^^^
> void f1(a1,a2,a3,a4)
>  int a1,a2,a3,a4;
>	{
>	  :
>	}
>

theyre called parameters, boobak jaan.  and yes, we all know the
differences between k&r c, ansi-c and c++ (du jour).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian/American culture (Re: .. translator in the house)
Keywords: followup on Aref/Ala discussion, Iranian/American cultural diff.
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:21:13 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu

---

There are things that is not good to talk about in a public form.  Now,
regarding the question in hand:

   "Ask not if an American (With regular education) is good for being
    a husband of an Iranian Women,
    Ask if an American (who has gone to public high school) is good for
    your sister, daughter?!"

Each case should be reviewed carefully, since marriage is one of the most
important decisions one has to make in the life.  So, let's review it on
case by case biases.  The consideration should be given on the possible
children's future, education, cultural values.  Then again, these
considerations should be made for any marriage.

No one would mind if the late Walt Disney, T. Edison would had Iranian
wife.  However; we do not like to see good Iranian women get themselves 
involved with an alcoholic, wife battering, drag addict people.  So, once
again:

   "Ask not if an American (With regular education) is good for being
    a husband of an Iranian Women,
    Ask if an American (who has gone to public high school) is good for
    your sister, daughter?!"

                          With highest regards,
                               Babak   Sehari.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:59:41 EST


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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: new books
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:18:41 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <1993Jan19.144240.28672@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.214458.11163@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
>>

>>choose the latter. May the fascists one day pay in full for what they have 
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>done to our country.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>just out of curiosity, agha javad, how should these "fascists" pay
>in full, in your opinion? i would be interested to know.
>

Good question.  I alone am not an authority, it should be up to our people
to decide.  But IMHO (if that's what you want to know), they should be put
on trial (nationally televeised/reported), and made to answer for their actions.
They should be given the right to a lawyer and legal defense, and should be
punished for their treason to our country. This could mean imprisonment or
exile, but I personally would not like to see any executions, because I find
that the more violent a transition, the more difficult a recovery.  For
historical examples, one can refer to Romania vs. Poland and  Hungary, where
the latter countries are well on their way to the future, while the latter
is still dealing with the past and the pain of the violence.  But then a lot
of people would disagree with me and say that the top guys should be
executed since they have so much blood on their hands.  I personally think
that in the long run it's better if that doesn't happen, because our
country has seen more than its share of death and misery, and it's time
that this vicious cycle stop.  I hope this answers your question.

>>
>>
>>ghorbAn-e-shoma,
>>
>>Agha Javad
>
>behzad
>

Agha Javad
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Turkish Journalist Assasinated; Islamic Interpretation?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:22:44 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan25.101553.25722@ugle.unit.no> Ramin Shamsili, Dep. Inorganic Chemistry,7034,Trondheim,Norway (Ramin G. Shamsili) writes:
>In article <1jukc0INNj00@morrow.stanford.edu> hq.ggg, HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu writes:
>
>The following news is taken from soc.culture.turkish; 
>As the discussion on Islamic interpretation and Islamic rules continues in
>our news group : soc.culture.iranian, I thought maybe someone can respond 
>to the following question after reading the following news:
>
>Question : Is there any where in Islamic instruction and rules which makes it
>HalAl or MobAh to take the life of a journalist with different way of thinking
>and what will the supporters of Islamic goverment ( any kind of it, or is there

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! What the hell kind of a question is this? Does
Islam allow you to kill someone just because you disagree with him/her?

>eventually after comming to power?
>
>The first newspaper I read in Turkish was Cumhuriyet; Ever since
>I have followed Ugur Mumcu+s  column in the paper with enthusiasm and
>admiratrion although I did not agree with him 100%.
>I cry for Ugur Mumcu and all the victims of violence and terrorism. May
>his soul rest in peace........ 
>


BTW, i want to make clear that mumcu was killed by the bulgari secret
intelligence. it was not the work of muslim radicals.

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Important note to sci-anon-poster's
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:59:23 GMT

sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

>As I said before, I do not have any special feeling about Iowa...

Neither do I.

>...Not all people are like you, "San Fransisco lovers". -:)

But of couse!

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    --mack
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: erfani@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (JezghAleh kabAbi)
Subject: Re: Haji Firoz in Denver
Keywords:  hAji shekamoooo
Organization: kabAbiyeh, Ayy kabAbeh nAbeh ... 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:40:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.220958.24232@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> 
afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:

>
>Haji is in Denver Colorado and I have been able to use the system here to
>read the news. Haji is going to find out if there is a CHELOKABOBY
>around Denver or Boulder but if you know of it send Haji the address.
>CHA_KE_RAM
>Haji in Denver in Ramada inn hotel without Chelokabob.

HAji joon, ghosseh nakhor. lotta cool people in Colorado. Good
kabAb too, much better than cAlifornia! :-) And cheaper.   

If you want chellokabab, do this:
 
Go to downtown Denver, get on Larimer St. and ask for the Tivoli Center 
(used to be a brewery). Go to the second floor food court and you will 
see shish-kabob restaurant. Ask for a soltAni along with limoo-nAd. 
Ask for Mahmood AghA. Then come down to the first floor and take
a right off the ecalator and go down to Mama's Cinnamon Rolls. Yum!!
 
Or better yet, get on I-25 north to US 36 west and go to Boulder, 
some 30 miles away. Exit on Baseline Rd., take a left - Baseline west  
(towards the mountains) and then take a right (north) on Broadway. 
Follow along and on the second light, take a left onto College 
Ave. At the intersection of College and 13th St. on the southeast 
corner, you will see another shish-kabob restaurant. Ask for Hossein 
AghA and the special soltAni. Say hello to Hossein AghA as well. 
 
JezghAleh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: misrepresentation of islam (reply to hossein)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:05:16 GMT

In article <C1E1JK.D25@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <C1Bpq3.Iyz@uceng.uc.edu> mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>>>
>>>YES! IF it is used as means of consolidating the class/cast
>>>structure of the society (You know, X, that in India
>>>you cannot marry someone of a lower cast, and in Iran, you
>>
>>What is a lower caste Zafar?  And who stops you from marrying anyone 
>>you want to in India?  A girl over 18 and a boy over 18 can marry anyone they
>>want to, that is the Indian law.
>>
>>>zafar
>>
>>Manoj
>
>
>manoj, you know, and i know what a lower caste is. i wasn't the 
>one who was posting the yes's and the no's about marriage. HOSSEIN WAS!
>
>
>zafar


Zafar you said that in India, people are not allowed to marry to
the lower castes.  As far as I know (I have been born and bought up
there) there is nothing such as lower caste in India, and the Indian 
constitution has no caste/race/religion restrictions on marriage.  I know you 
were replying to Hossein, but why bring up India, from your post you 
admit that you have been here from the age 3, so what makes 
you an expert on India?

Manoj
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Reply to bApagA [(c) bApagA, 2556, 1993, 14??, 1371, 148] (I) [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:46:13 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
To: sci-anon-poster
Originator: daemon@handel


bApagA jAn (I like it too!):

>Note: Like any other peaceful discussion at sci, there is always an element
>of I vs. you.  I am going to assure AghA Shahram that there was no intention
>by design.

I believe you.

>>What belongs to me is more dear to me. My
>>language sounds better (of course to me). So when there is a simple word
>>in *MY* language that can convey the concept that *I* want, why should I
>>borrow it from somewhere else?
>
>Trivial answer just because you asked why:  because Naser khosro, atAr,
>molavi, sa'di, ferdowsi [oh my God he does it too! - HFN], and khAghAni
>borrowed it too - just according to page 543 of the same loghatnAmeh.  :-)

I give you the same answer that I gave to Babak Sehari :

Ferdowsi (and other poets whom you mentioned) is not my God and shAh-nAmeh
is not his tozeeh-ol-masAel. I do not seek their permission about words that I
should (want to?) use everytime I want to open my mouth.

>My kind of answer:
>I understand.  Stick to your language.  I would never want to even suggest
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You stopped using brackets!               

>anything that would infringe upon something that is so dear to you.  Hell,
>I am disappointed at myself that after referring to DehkhodA and so forth
>you ended up feeling somebody wanted to change your language preferences.

That wasn't the issue. Your brackets were very "nAbejA" and I was
wondering who or what they were aimed at. To me, the meaning of those brackets
were clear. Now that you say it wasn't intentional, as I said, I believe you.

>So I was not that much off board when in seriyAle aval I said that you make
>your personal interpretations (and choices) sound like a rule or conclusion.
>It's OK as long as you won't extend these points beyond what they are, that
>is, personal expressions.

Exactly where in "seriyAl-e avval" did you say that? Tell me, then I will
give the answer to this part.


End of part I





 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Friends in Australia
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:34:19 GMT


Are there any Iranian (or otherwise) friends on SCI who live in
Australia or have lived in Australia? I am interested to know about the
cost of living in Australia, particularly around Armidale, as well as
information about Iranian society and the size of the community there.

Please send E-mail to: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU

Thanks,

Brad Hernlem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Subject: Re: cruise missiles ...
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:11:47 GMT

                   
---


javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com writes:
  
@ >5) Sir!, Iranian just defended their land and soil with courage and
@ >   manhood against all of evils and devils.
@ 
@ 
@ >6) They didn't kill the people. They fought their enemy to librate their
@ >   land.
@ 
@ That is defeinitely true.  But please do not forget that after 1982,
@ Iran clearly had intentions of going into Iraq, e.g. Majnoon islands,
@ Fao peninsula, operations Ramadan, ValFajr, etc. etc., all of which
@ failed.  Do you support this action, and if so, how can you condemn
@ Iraq's aggression against Iran?  Keep in mind that most of the killing
@ was during this time.  Now, if Iran's gov't was truly one interested
@ in the cause of justice and people's rights, one could argue that
@ they were attempting to defeat Iraq and punish it for its aggression.
@ But we all know that this is not the case, and it was just to set up
@ another fundamentalist gov't led by the traitor Hakim in his country.
@ This is evidenced by times when IRI would back off from demanding reparations
@ as long as Saddam would go.  That clearly shows that their priorities
@ were with the politics of Iraq rather than the rights and well being of
@ the Iranian people.  Of course Saddam leaving would be good news for 
@ everybody, but don't think for a minute that another Khomeini in Iraq
@ would be any better.
   
Iran's position was that Saddam Hossein could not be trusted to keep
the peace and war should continue to oust him from power to prevent
future invasions of Iran. Given Saddam's record since the end of
Iran-Iraq war, I think it was quite a reasonable position.
                  
 - Farzin            
              
PS. Can't we put all this political pro and anti-xxx arguments in
    the FAQ file? It comes up again and again and again ...
    Are you reading Mack? I think the FAQ file needs a political
    section giving the pro- and anti- arguments on the major issues.
                

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