Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:53:14 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
 <93010.1355462893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1993Jan10.222143.12528@julian.uwo.ca>
 <C0ny5o.EHp@mach1.wlu.ca>

In article <C0ny5o.EHp@mach1.wlu.ca>, brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u)
says:
>
>Sorry, I just HAD to get in on this one...
>
>In article <1993Jan10.222143.12528@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
>(JOHN
>LAROCQUE) writes:
>>In article <93010.1355462893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>(discussing NDP's socialist/communist leanings...)
>
>>Making capitalism more equitable - what the f**k is that supposed to mean.
>>Hard working people who are told that their hard earned money doesn't
>>belong to them - it belongs to "society".
>
>When has Mr. Rae said anything of the sort?
>
>>People who are told that it is better to go on welfare than to get a job.
>
>To whom does this refer?
>
>>People who are harassed and thrown in jail for opposing the state.
>
>Last I looked, this sort of thing doesn't even happen in what used to be
>the U>S.S.R. anymore, and I don't think it's ever happened in Canada.

actually, it has happened in Canada, in 1919 the government jailed
the leaders of the Winnigeg General Strike for "insurrection", including
Woodsworth quoting the Bible, as well in the 30s Communist leaders were
imprisoned for their beliefs. 1970 the government jailed a whole bunch
of non-FLQ, non-violent people for being separatists.

>
>>unlike poor people 50 years ago - poor people
>>today have color tv's, and can spend welfare money on wasteful and anti-
>>social activities like buying beer and cigarettes. Poverty on the increase?
>>Maybe anti-social activities like single mothers on welfare who get pregnant
>>are making the problem worse. That's right - people are to blame for their
>>own problems.
>>
>Okay, I agree with this to a limited degree. People ARE sometimes to blame
>for their own problems. So why are you so anxious to blame the politicians
>of a particular stripe
>
>>Healthy people wouldn't have to pay for all of those idiots
>>in the hospital who smoke a pack a day and are now dying of lung cancer.
>>That's right. People are to blame for their own problems. And its time
>>we stopped bankrolling them. Idiots who have liver problems because they
>>buy a case of beer a week. Let them die. I don't want to pay for these
>>idiots. Fat people - make 'em diet or cut off their health care. That
>>is right - make them pay. People who care for their health should stop
>>bankrolling those people who don't.
>
>I know, I know, I'm supposed to trim articles down before I post, but will
>you all just LOOK at this lunatic's ravings?
>
>Okay, Mr. Pious One. I've heard about enough of your holier-than-thou
>attitude for now.
>Perhaps what we REALLY ought to do is to get educational programs out
>there extolling the virtues of living a clean life--without forcing people
>to do what we want. Oh, gee, these programs exist already? Could they
>maybe be the reason smoking is on the wane, our attitudes towards drinking
>are changing, and our society is becoming more and more healthy as a
>whole? Naw. Couldn't be.
>>
>>And guys who get AIDS because they were too stupid not to put a condom on
>>their weenie or keep it inside their pants. Let them die. I don't want
>>to pay for idiots. Punish stupidity - not working people who care for
>>their health, who actually earn their own money and can look after
>>their families.
>
>You know, I've got a picture right now, in my mind. I'm picturing my
>correspondent here getting into a car accident. We need not even make it
>his fault--after all, from what he's saying, nothing can ever possibly be
>his fault anyway. Now, as a result of said accident, the man requires a
>blood transfusion. From said transfusion, the man develops AIDS. Of
>course, the system he fought so hard for now ignores him. Poetic justice.
>
>>Maybe the destruction of the universal health care system is a necessity.
>>Or maybe a new rule - not that of wealth but that of health. In this
>>system idiots have no right to leech off the rest of us. Fat people
>>alcoholics and cigarette abusers - watch out. You are costing the system
>
>Fat people? Don't make me laugh. Did you know, Mr. Know-It-All, that many
>fat people are in perfect health? Did you know that weight has more to
>do with genetics than with welfare payment cheques? Did you know this?
>How did you get to be so ignorant? Do you practice?
>
> >--
>>***FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING*
>*
>>**  John LaRocque         **   "If you're the new messiah.. I'm going to be  *
>*
>>**  marshall.law@uwo.ca   **   the one to drive in the nails"  MARSHALL LAW  *
>*
>>***FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING*
>*
>
>I don't know about fear, but I can sure identify with the loathing. Sir.
>
>--
>Ken Breadner          |Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada
>brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca |"Life is what happens when you're busy making other
>(the BREADbox...)     |plans" --John Lennon
>Disclaimer: you mean somebody's taking something I said SERIOUSLY?
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