HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blais@mojo.ots.utexas.edu (Donald Blais)
Newsgroups: tx.thenet.managers
Subject: YANVOTDCF
Date: 1 Oct 1992 17:15:41 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

			        October 1, 1992
				  YET ANOTHER
	       NEW VERSION OF THEnet's DECnet CONFIGURATION FILE
				  (YANVOTDCF)
	       *************************************************

	There are new versions of THENET_NODES.COM and THENET_NODES_FULL.COM
	available on THENIC.  This version contains updates, deletions, and
	additions.

	To obtain a copy, issue the following command:

	    $ COPY THENIC""::[.DECNET]THENET_NODES.COM []
				and/or
	    $ COPY THENIC""::[.DECNET]THENET_NODES_FULL.COM []

	These files are also available via anonymous ftp to host
	nic.the.net in the [.DECNET] directory.

			     ***IMPORTANT***
	You can now update your DECnet database without retrieving
	THENET_NODES.COM every month by using the UPDATE_THENET_NODEDEFS 
	utility.  You can execute UPDATE_THENET_NODEDEFS remotely from your
	site without copying it from THENIC.  Issue the following command
	to retrieve the documentation for UPDATE_THENET_NODEDEFS:

	$ COPY THENIC::[.DECNET.NODEUPD]UPDATE_THENET_NODEDEFS.USER_GUIDE []

	If you are using the DIFFNODES utility to update your DECnet
	database, you are encouraged to switch to UPDATE_THENET_NODEDEFS
	since it is the replacement for DIFFNODES.

	Updates
	----------------------------------------------------------
	To make updates, make changes to your area in the
	THENET_NODES_FULL.COM file and mail only your area to THENIC::THEMODS
	or themods@nic.the.net.

	September 1	Area 19, UT Austin      change 19.66 from
						CSRX3 to CSRVS5
	September 10	Area 21, UT M.D. Anderson
						added node MDAPS1
	September 26	Area 26, UH
	September 28	Area 10, TAMU
	September 28	Area 6, TTU
Newsgroups: nz.netstatus
Newsgroups: nz.netstatus
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 07:33:51 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway. Parnell New Zealand

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

 
                        (stuff deleted)

> Are you really this stupid? If you wanted a local newsgroup, why didn't you
> give it a local name, like akl.waffle, or nacjack.waffle (or perhaps
> dorkland.waffle)? Is this really a difficult concept to grasp? Should I have
 
 Ah now we are getting at the root cause of the continual attacks and
 outbursts from this site (acme). 
 
 Craig, although we not suprised with your recent outbursts we are
 however taken back by the association of "dorkland" with our cities
 name of Auckland. 
 
 Which reminds me of an old adage .. 
 
                Sysadmin: So where is the problem with the mailer
                   Techo: It is simple. Problem between chair and
                          keyboard.

                                                  _
 Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
 jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
 The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
  
Newsgroups: nz.netstatus
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:54:19 GMT

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

> Craig, although we not suprised with your recent outbursts we are
> however taken back by the association of "dorkland" with our cities
> name of Auckland. 

Aaah, the "royal we".  Unfortunately in this case it is not so much
used by royalty as stupidity.

Nat.
Newsgroups: nz.netstatus
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 02:29:13 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> 
> > Are you really this stupid? If you wanted a local newsgroup, why didn't you
> > give it a local name, like akl.waffle, or nacjack.waffle (or perhaps
> > dorkland.waffle)? Is this really a difficult concept to grasp? Should I have
>  
>  Ah now we are getting at the root cause of the continual attacks and
>  outbursts from this site (acme). 
>  
>  Craig, although we not suprised with your recent outbursts we are
>  however taken back by the association of "dorkland" with our cities
>  name of Auckland. 

Sorry Jon, but if you weren't so staggeringly clueless you might be aware
that long distance psychoanalysis via the Net is rarely accurate. I actually
like Auckland, I lived there for a year even. My reference to
"dorkland.waffle" was merely a throwaway piece of abuse that seemed
appropriate at the time (and perhaps still is given the opinings from some
of the rocket scientists in that part of the Net). If you were from
Wellington or even PN I'd still think you were a spectacularly braindead
idiot.

I can't believe Ed Vielmetti reposted that to alt.best.of.internet. Gee
Ed, if you're still reading this, thanks muchly. I'm *really* grateful you
left my name on it. 

						- k
						(not)
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Manipulation of Referendum Results
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:31:15 GMT

In article <BvGyLn.Iz9@comp.vuw.ac.nz> andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
> In article <BvGyF7.Iut@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz writes:
> ...
> >Answer 1: Those who didn't vote don't deserve (and certainly shouldn't
> >expect) to be counted.
> 
> Maybe they voted by not voting.  I heard that some people stayed away
> because the next referendum is the one where any actual change is
> decided.
> 
> Of course I voted STV like the rest of you people ... right?  RIGHT!
> 
> andy

Show me *one* election since 1840 where non-voters were counted and i might
listen to your argument. 

I know three guys who didn't vote because they FORGOT! I certainly wouldn't
claim all non-voters were forgetful......
 
As usual....some voters didn't vote because they never do. Some people forgot.
Some people knew MMP would win and didn't bother. Others want the present
system and stayed home. We have no idea what proportional wanted anything as
they didn't tkae the trouble to register their preference. 
 
As usual.....so what.


-- 
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            | looks like we may get a more  
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Manipulation of Referendum Results
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:08:56 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Oct2.112618.26705@actrix.gen.nz> by Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz:

> they be? They didn't vote. They were prepared to abide by the outcome whatever
> it was.....no othr assumption can be made. If they were concerned about the
> result - they would have voted.

    This is quite false. There isn't an option for a voter to say "it
    all sucks", so people who think this have no input. It's like
    multichoice, without an "(e) none of the above".

> Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Copyright Laws in New Zealand
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 20:21:02 PDT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway. Parnell New Zealand

zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:

>  How does one go about placing copyright on scripts? we think
> that you can just place Copyright on them yourself, but want to 
 
 Grant, I do not know if this applies directly to you but in the USA
 all you have to is (c)1992 Mr A Writer and bingo it copyrighted.
 
 We do this weekly with our ascii magazines and also include a 
 copyright disclaimer at the end of the text.
 
 To my knowledge for our work this pretty much applies world wide.
 To make it totally safe have your local JP notarize the work in
 question.

                                                  _
 Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
 jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
 The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
From: richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles)
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:37:03 GMT
Organization: Malleus Maleficarum - Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre


>Can we please try and refrain from just creating nz.* groups on an ad-hoc
>basis? Note that you're doing your users a disservice by treating this
>newsgroup as valid because it probably appears (outside of junk) at about
>2 sites nationwide (and is a nz.waffle newsgroup really necessary
>anyway?).

It wasn't for general consumption, status must have inadvertently passed
it onto KCBBS, and KCBBS passed it out to the world. We created it here
in Auckland for discussion of Waffle, as most of the UUCP sites are waffle.
But then we don't need your permission to create our own newsgroups, and
don't really need to justify things. If you want to whinge about it,
trace the path line.

Hex

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Its not simply a question of getting hot, but how much heat you can take"

FIDONET: Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0         USENET: richard@nacjack.gen.nz
Packet Radio: ZL1UTF@ZL1AB.#11.AKL.NZL.OC   The Demi-Monde: 199:310/1

Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 06:09:16 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Followup-To: nz.netstatus

richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles) writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>
> >Can we please try and refrain from just creating nz.* groups on an ad-hoc
> >basis? Note that you're doing your users a disservice by treating this
> >newsgroup as valid because it probably appears (outside of junk) at about
> >2 sites nationwide (and is a nz.waffle newsgroup really necessary
> >anyway?).
> 
> It wasn't for general consumption, status must have inadvertently passed
> it onto KCBBS, and KCBBS passed it out to the world. We created it here
> in Auckland for discussion of Waffle, as most of the UUCP sites are waffle.
> But then we don't need your permission to create our own newsgroups, and
> don't really need to justify things. If you want to whinge about it,
> trace the path line.

Are you really this stupid? If you wanted a local newsgroup, why didn't you
give it a local name, like akl.waffle, or nacjack.waffle (or perhaps
dorkland.waffle)? Is this really a difficult concept to grasp? Should I have
called the local PN-based chat newsgroup nz.chat instead of the slightly more
sensible manawatu.chat?

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb"
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:42:36 GMT

In article <BsR5RB2w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> As the system administrator of your site I am a little upset to see not
> once but twice in two different messages use of this sort of language.
> As sysadmin YOU should KNOW better than to do this. 

Sigh, the first line of this sentance implies that Jon Clarke is the
sysadmin of Craig's site. Which isn't true, but is more evidence that Jon
probably speaks English as a second language. Either that or our school
system is in much greater trouble than we thought. 

Jon then goes on to castigate Craig for using the "F" word in his
postings and states that this is creating a bad image worldwide. 

Which moves me to ask whether you, Jon, actually read much usenet? The
amount of profanity on USENET makes the occasional "F" word a mere drop in
the ocean. Moreover I'm afraid times have moved on, where a single use of
the "F" word would send my parents into fits of outraged foaming at the
mouth, these days the kids at the local playcentre (age three-four) use
such words as part of their everyday conversation. 

The language has moved on, the use of "fuck" (shit there... damn, I didn't
mean to say ... bother I didn't mean to say "damn") isn't that great a
crime today. And by usenet standards you have to do much worse to create a
bad impression. Except in one respect, people are still judged by their
ability to use what is essentially a written medium, and that requires a
certain skill level in using the English language. 

I think I would rather have James Joyce (who used profanity to great
effect) than an endless stream of poorly written and gramatically
incorrect English which you seem to favour.

Craig's use of profanity was, I believe, an attempt to get around the
somewhat emotionally limited nature of USENET as a written medium, indeed
he was trying to communicate to you the reader of his posting, the feeling
he had about the debate in hand, namely his utter frustration at what he
perceived as being stupidity above the call of duty. The use of an
emotionally charged word was merely an attempt to save bandwidth and thus,
would have sysadmins from here to the centre of the earth and beyond
applauding. 

Not all of us, have the time to sit down and spend time writing a quietly
vicous note on USENET manners and behaviour. Please bear with us we are
only human. And the same USENET policy that allows Craig be sysadmin of
his site and annoy you with his profanity, allows you to be the sysadmin
of your site and annoy others with your behaviour. 

Do unto others as they would do unto you. A prompous posting for a pompous
posting. Nathan said it better than me and in less lines. Damn! I'll have
to be more concise next time. 

--
Alex Heatley, Net Pit Bull in Training.	    Computing Services Centre
Domain: Alex.Heatley@vuw.ac.nz              Victoria University of Wellington
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:alt.znet.fnet, alt.znet.pc
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 16:49:35 +1200
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

Well it looks like Jon really managed to get up quite a few people's
noses around the world - all sort of stuff is appearing in alt.config.

Here's a sample:


kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:

> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> 
> >twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> 
> >> Wow.  How very *nice* of you to propose this newsgroup, now that it's
> >> already carrying hundreds of articles in "junk".
>  
> > Tim, if you took the time to read my proposal and then the FAQ I 
> >      refered to you will see why that was done. It states :
> >      create the group and send to a few sites which I did and I 
> >      might add without the CONTROL CREATE message, thus it ended
> >      up in the junk directory on many sites. This is the sample 
> >      feeds to guage volumes and as you memtioned it does have a
> >      rather gentle volume of articles.
> 
> I don't know what you've been reading, but the article on how to
> create an alt group says no such thing.  The very first sentence
> of the guidelines reads "Propose a new alt group in alt.config."
> The later line "The proposal should include...some demonstration
> of the need for the group" doesn't mean to start dropping traffic
> on the net willy-nilly.
> 
> Faced with hundreds of articles landing in junk, no newgroup message, 
> and an incomprehensible name, what would you expect an administrator 
> to do?  I for one blocked the group.  Based on my now-fuzzy memory of 
> the BBS-like quality of those articles, I'm not too inclined to unblock 
> it now.
> -- 
> Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
> University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
> Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
> camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."




dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Copyright Laws in New Zealand
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:01:16 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <RLVsRB2w165w@status.gen.nz>, jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
> 
>>  How does one go about placing copyright on scripts? we think
>> that you can just place Copyright on them yourself, but want to 
>  
>  Grant, I do not know if this applies directly to you but in the USA
>  all you have to is (c)1992 Mr A Writer and bingo it copyrighted.
>

I think its even simpler in that all you have to do is write it, and its a
copyrighted work. No (C)... is needed. Here as well as in the US. I recall a
rather long and at times violent (net violence of course) argument ages back on
one of the netgroups (Actually I think it was cross posted acorss many of the
netgroups for a while) about copyrights. In the end somebody quoted the books
on it, and it turned out a (C)xxx was superfluous.

  
>  We do this weekly with our ascii magazines and also include a 
>  copyright disclaimer at the end of the text.
>  
>  To my knowledge for our work this pretty much applies world wide.
>  To make it totally safe have your local JP notarize the work in
>  question.
> 
>                                                   _
>  Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
>  jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
>  The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
>   
-- 
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|  Programmer (n/5), School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences           | 
|  University of Waikato,                                                    |
|  Hamilton, New Zealand.                                                    |
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From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Bogus newsgroups
Keywords: Where do they come from?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:57:22 Y
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)



Hmm, Rummaging through my junk file I find messages in the NZ.WAFFLE
forum.

Most of them seem to be originating from nacjack.gen.nz

Has this group been officially created, or is it yet another instance
of someone sidestepping the RFD and CFV?

BTW : It's quite amusing to read the complaints about alt.znet.* in
      the news.sysadmin areas :-)



dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 02:19:31 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles) writes:

> >Are you really this stupid? If you wanted a local newsgroup, why didn't you
> >give it a local name, like akl.waffle, or nacjack.waffle (or perhaps
> >dorkland.waffle)? Is this really a difficult concept to grasp? Should I have
> >called the local PN-based chat newsgroup nz.chat instead of the slightly more
> >sensible manawatu.chat?
> 
> Because, you irreverant twat, we wanted to pass it onto Wellington, and
> possibly Christchurch as well. It started in Auckland as auckland.waffle,
> but we had some indications we could pass it down country to other waffle
> sites, and so changed it to nz.waffle. This has in fact come about, via
> an alternative pathway. I suppose I didn't make my self clear that by local
> I ment that we used the local network setup rather than the universities one.

Oh no, not this immature crap. What would have been so terrible about trying
to create an nz.waffle newsgroup if you really thought it was worthwhile.

As for it using "the local network setup", guess what: you fucked up. I
received bogus postings to nz.waffle from my feed site, Massey University.
They received it from VUW. If you knew thing one about how news systems
worked you might have realised that giving your pet newsgroup a name like
nz.waffle was likely to cause it to leak like a plastic grocery bag full of
nails.

I ask again: are you really this stupid? Don't you realise the inherent
problems in creating a newsgroup under your toy rules but trying to put it
in a heirarchy that already has a different set of rules, and a different
set of expectations among news admins? This is almost as bogus as the INET
bullshit.

BTW your news software appears to be generating spectacularly bogus
Reference: headers.

	References: <<1992Oct01.060916.20450@acme.gen.nz> <>> <17fda0e7@nacjack.gen.nz>

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Zyzel modems
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:13:18   Y
Organization: Naos - Inside the Z80

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

> 			ZyXEL Communications (NZ) Ltd
> 			P.O.Box 987
> 			Auckland 1000
> 			PH: (09)522-1040
> 			FAX: (09)529-2344

Note: The address is still valid, but the phone numbers are no longer
correct. ZyXEL moved, some time ago, to another location in Auckland,
and had the old numbers setup to forward to the new ones.

The current phone numbers are:
                Voice: +64-9-309-3135
                Fax:   +64-9-309-3195

These numbers come from a message posted by Peter Felhofer in FidoNet
NZ_COMMS on 26/9/92.  I've spoken to them on the new voice number, but
not tried the fax number.

> Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 355134

Yet another satisfied customer...

--
Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz)
Newsgroups: nz.general