From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:56:18 GMT

In article Drw@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>3) Pot Luck - everbody knows you need some luck in cup competitions.
>
>To win an away game convincingly? Come on!!

YES!!! Sheffield Wednesday we're beating Kaiserslautern away 1-0, when the referee
decides that Kaiserslautern need a penalty. Then he send's off David Hirst, scorer
of the goal for Wednesday. It was quite clear that Hirst did not foul the German, but
the German's got the luck they needed and went on to win.

We have all seen teams lose to jammy opponents, and get an away win.
This may not of been the case at the Leeds game (which I didn't even watch),
but it can be the case.

Take the offside decision against Strachan in the first leg (which I did watch).
Ranger's got lucky here because he was given offside when he wasn't. It **COULD**
have been a totally different story with a different REF. And don't tell me that
Strachan was offside because the picture's clearly showed that when the ball was
played he wasn't. This sort of thing happens all the time in football, and at the
end of the day decisions go to one side or the other, right or wrong. So teams
can get lucky, no doubt about it. Over a long arduous season, thing's tend to even
out, and the best teams come out on top.

>Try some real ones for a change and ask the question.
>
>Rangers 2 Leeds United 1
>Leeds United 1 Rangers 2
>
>Who's the better team over the piece?

Ranger's won the game yes!

>Rather obvious isn't it?
>
>Now try another question.
>Who have failed to beat Leeds at Elland Road this season irrespective of
>Leeds lowly position?
>
>Who finally beat Leeds at Elland Road?
>
>What can we conclude about the relative merits of the teams that failed and
>the team that succeeded?
>

NONE WHATSOEVER. Except that Ranger's beat Leeds. You see the other games we're
on different days, and involved fallible human beings. If this is the way you
compare teams, then you need a rethink.

eg;
	Liverpool beat Sheffield Wednesday this season.
        But Sheffield Wednesday were well above Liverpool at that time!!

	A couple of season's earlier I believe (and I may be wrong), Sheffield
        Wednesday beat Liverpool 2 - 0 at home. Liverpool we're champions, and
        Wednesday got relegated.

	I could go on for ever. 
	Ahem! Your simplified logic doesn't seem to work does it!! Oh dear.

It all boils down to one thing. We can't draw any conclusions, and any calls of one
being better than the other is pure rubbish.

I don't believe the best teams in Scotland are better than English one's and vice
versa, as their is no evidence really.

The only think that should happen is that Ranger's fans should have a good laugh
at Leeds.

After all I did.....


Up the Owls......

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