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From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: CLINTON: Acceptance speech text - Bible misquote
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:53:05 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <NEERI.92Jul21135517@iis.ethz.ch>
neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Jul19.162410.5194@infonode.ingr.com> haefner@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner) writes:
>>By the way, Clinton's use of "covenant" was taken by many in the media
>>covering the convention as a way to make the southern christian groups
>>feel that they had something in common with Clinton. Try though he may,
>>Clinton will not get the southern vote.
>
>Do you also believe, then, that Bush's use of "New World Order" was an attempt
>to get the free masonic vote ?
>Matthias
 
Yes, it was a statement to all masons to let them know HE IS ONE OF THEM!
Which of course meanings he really isn't a Christian when those and masonic
ideals clash.
 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.censorship
From: geoffg@sco.COM (geoff galitz)
Subject: Re: Party of Special Interests -- Washington Post Article
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:41:08 GMT


In article <1992Jul21.153734.27714@alliant.com> eaw@alliant.com (Eric Woudenberg) writes:
>[This is an article by Jack Beatty of the Washington Post,
> printed in the July 15th issue of The Japan Times.]
>


>   I write this with a sorrowing heart, for, given the alternatives,
>the Democrats remain our nation's last (if not best) hope; but the
>only cure for a party so debauched may be sweeping defeat - the loss
>of the presidency, the Senate and the House. From the ashes might
>emerge a party not of Washington layers and lobbyists and Wall Street
>plungers but of the beautician and the barber, the hotel worker and the
>carpenter - the people who have been losing ground under a Reagan-Bush
>government of the rich, by the complacent and for the comfortable.
>That is where the Democrats' roots are; that is also where the votes
>are. But you can't play footsie with the National Association of
>Manufacturers or seek approbation from the Wall Street Journal and speak
>for such people.

	This might be a nit-pic, but I believe the Democrats do have
control of the House and the Senate.
	In support of this article, I have to admit the "corruption" of
the Democratic Party is the reason I left and have since committed
myself to the building of the Green Party here in California.

	All of this really says that we need people in government that 
can think for themselves and not be held hostage by voter polls and
the media.  Of course, if they did liberate themsevles from polls and
the media, how would they get elected?  
	This must be addressed by our nation if we are to survive as
a viable community.  (Can I make a plug for the special interest I hold 
dear to my heart?  Education).

P.S.  add corporations to my list of hostage takers above...


-- 

An Englishman once sang:  "Is it Love,  
                              or is it the idea of being in Love?"     
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member, Computer Geeks Anonymous
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: GOP to dump Bush, nominate Kemp !!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:31:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul29.191823.20305@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>|> What *will* happen is the GOP will see Bush's numbers in two weeks.
>|> His still *way* behind. They know he will lose.  They need a candidate
>|> who has charisma and credibility on domestic problems.
>|> 
>|> They dump Bush for Kemp at the Convention.
>|> 
>|> Could it happen?   Yes it could.
>|> 
>|> If you want to fan the rumor, call your local GOPer today.
>|> Yup.  Let's start cranking up the rumor mill.
>|> 
>|> ----------
>|> P. McGuinness            Kemp in '92    (There is a chance for real change)
>|> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com


   I'd sooner vote for Kemp than Bush, I think he has a lot more on
   the ball.   In recent elections I haven't voted for any GOP can-
   didates, pretty much dividing my choices between Libertarian and
   Democratic candidates, (which just goes to prove that the Nolan
   chart, and conventional ideas of the political spectrum are pure
   bullshit) or protest write-ins.  But Kemp on the ballot might change
   that.  (on the other hand it might not; I like what I know about him, 
   but there's lots I don't know).

   On the other hand, what would be the reaction of the general electorate
   to a "back room deal" such as this?   The whole concept of having a
   primary is that the voters get some input into the process.   They 
   might reject such a last-minute change as undemocratic. 

   A Clinton win over Bush is NOT a given at this point.  Clinton has a
   lot of serious weaknesses, including a well-deserved reputation for
   "slickness" and a truly DISMAL economic and environmental record
   in Arkansas.

   If Bush would get his campaign into gear, exploit Clinton's record,
   and if he would act like someone who actually has *convictions* about
   *something* he could still win this election.              

   Otherwise I'll vote for the US equivalent of Lord Such: Andre Marrou.

   (I can safely predict that most people who know who Lord Such is don't
    know who Andre Marrou is, and I suspect vice-versa) 


----peter
From: thong@husc10.harvard.edu (Theodore Hong)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Full text of bills
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:26:58 GMT

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.221828.14842@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bu525@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Schmidt) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of an FTP site containing the full text of
>>bills currently before Congress?

>Please post.  This would be interesting info to have.

There was a recent posting in this group about a proposal to make LEGIS
(the House and Senate Legislative Information Systems) publically accessible
on-line.  The database apparently includes the full text of bills as well
as summaries on resolutions, nominations, and treaties. 
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:35252 alt.individualism:4405
From: ptfarre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Peter Farrell)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: "American Ideals" (was: AMERICA IN DECLINE)
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:00:15 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Jul21.222141.20734@linus.mitre.org> m15133@mwvm.mitre.org (Graham K. Glover) writes:
>By the turn of this century, we forgot how to read the words, "Congress 
>shall make no law ...".  During the Great Depression, we had a President 
>who would not allow the US Government to interfere.  No, this was not the 
>one in the 1930s, and it certainly wasn't FDR.  It was the one in the 
>1890s, and the President was Grover Cleveland.  After the turn of the 
>century, all that changed.  Today, Government is taken to be the cure for 
>all ills.  National health.  Tax the rich.  Save the failed banks/car 
>manufacturers/television industry.  Please take care of us, Uncle Sam!  
>----------------
Hear, hear. I couldn't agree more.
Where did we ever get the idea that government owes us anything more than
the basics delineated in the Constitution?
Government does not owe a man a living. It does not owe him a place to live,
nor does it owe him old-age pension (unless he was a federal employee). It
does not owe free medical care, nor even supper just because he is hungry.
That last remark may sound quite cruel, but confine the frame of reference
for a moment. Government only OWES us this: fair and equitable treatment
under the law and the upholding of that which may promote the common good,
such as national defense, federal highway system, what have you.

Now as the fellow citizens of the hungry man, we ourselves, I think,
should have in our hearts some form of compassion and will to assist him
with whatever it may be. But nowhere in their wildest dreams (I hope) did
the founders intend for the republic to become a socialist utopia. That is
very European, but very un-American as a philosophy of state.

Bravo, Mr. Glover!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: What Happens to Perot in California
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:19:34 GMT

In article <14d1mbINN5j7@agate.berkeley.edu> faustus@ygdrasil.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Wayne A. Christopher) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.232536.27501@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>> I have Perot on video tape, and I am watching his last Larry King
>> episode right now. He stated that if elected he will take the position.
>
>What the heck?  Is he in the race or not?  It sounds like he's saying
>that he's a candidate but he doesn't want to spend any money or time
>campaigning.
>
>	Wayne


	All the campaigning by all parties is a crock of shit, and always
has been. We NEVER hear any of the candidates directly address the problems
or what they plan to do about them. We only hear them attacking each other.

	And of course the incumbant always does a few things in the last few
months, like sgn bills to save owls, while his 12 year track record has him
removing pollution controls from industrial smoke stacks, ignoring acid rain,
ignoring oil spills, and indirectly killing millions of animals in our
wildlife.

	Perot has been concise and to the point. He says what he wants us
to be concerned with and what we need to do. That is to put the people
first and the big businesses last, where they should be. At least long
enough to turn the economy around. :) FDR did it, and many claimed that
many of his programs were in fact illegal. But he started many public
works projects that still exist today.

	As another said in the Amiga advocacy group, Perot will probably
re-enter the race late in the season when it is more important and critical.
And I WILL change my .sig! :)


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Vacation Time!
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:40:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.195028.2363@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
|> 
|> There is a story from Caltech about a student who left for the week
|> to visit his girlfriend.  His friends got a lot of plaster, and made
|> his dorm room door vanish; they even installed some wiring, and put
|> a lamp where the door was.  When their friend returned to find
|> the wall, they denied knowing who he was, as sort of existentialist
|> prank.
|> 
|> Now, I ask, is there any way we can pull this off over the Usenet
|> with Mr. Kaldis's metaphorical dorm room?

 Sure. Just get _everybody_ on Usenet to refuse to reply or followup to 
any of his posts, answer his e-mail or otherwise acknowledge his existence.
 
 Alternatively, and perhaps more effectively, we could get the administrator
at his site to remove his account and deny ever having knowledge of such a
person or account. This might be slightly unethical, though.
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From: rjc@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Internet Debt Server
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:55:20 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   If you want to find out what the current US (on book) Federal Deficit
is, telnet to hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu port 1992 (128.52.46.11 1992). The
server spits out up to the minute figures for the US deficit according
to data published by the government on its growth.

The current value is $3,993,958,306,950. The four trillion mark will be
here in a few days.

(the server is based on Xdebt)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: SuperCollider: "For" or "Against" -- Tell the Committee  @ tele...
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:09:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul24.081846.20002@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <01GMPYXLP9GW001CAQ@utarlg.uta.edu>, B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU
>(Stephen Tice) writes:
>
>|>What they aren't saying in the Dallas Morning News is that it
>|>cost about $8 billion to construct the SSC over 8 years, that
>|>it has about a 25 year projected lifespan and that it will
>|>take about a billion dollars a year to run.
>
>Thats because it's not true.
>

  OK, but the the larger question is why should we taxpayers fund this
  in the first place?

  Look, I'm not a libertarian; I'm willing to accept the idea of
  taxpayer funded projects and activities, including in areas like
  scientific research.   For instance, I don't object in principle
  to funding scientific research such as cancer or AIDS research,
  atmospheric chemistry, ecology, and so forth, although I might 
  take issue with the specifics.   I have witnessed examples of government
  projects which provided major benefits to society and which I can't
  imagine having been done without government involvement (the Dutch
  polders, for instance).  

  But I can't see any justification for spending taxpayers' money
  on something which does not provide a fairly widespread or societal
  benefit, say in terms of public health or safety, or commerce or
  education or something like that.    Now, I'm not saying that 
  nothing could *possibly* come out of the Supercollider project
  that would meet that criteria; the nature of "basic science" is 
  that you never know what you will find.   But I think that we 
  should be offered a more compelling argument than the ones thus 
  far presented for why this is at least *likley* to offer some
  tangible benefit.   Last year we spent about $90 million on 
  breast cancer, and only a fraction of that was for research;
  we spent less than $40 million on prostate cancer; plenty of 
  other major diseases got even less than that.   From the arguments
  that I've heard so far I don't see any reason why we shoudn't can
  the collider; take about 10% of the savings for medical research
  and apply the rest to the deficit.


---peter


  
  
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.flame
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: What's your KQ?
Summary: Better'n yours.
Organization: Patrick speaks for himself.  (Rice pays him for other things.)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:39:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.095630.25751@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>In article <22123@watdragon.waterloo.edu> dmmooney@lion.waterloo.edu (Dave Mooney) writes:
>>There's a little bit of Ted Kaldis in all of us.  The amount varies, of
>>course, but before now, it was impossible to tell exactly how close one
>>came to achieving a complete state of Kaldisdom.  This has now changed,
>>because by taking this simple test, you can calculate your Kaldis Quotient
>>(KQ), which tells you just how close you are to becoming the official
>>Idiot of the Net [tm].
>[deleted]
>>
>>Please answer all questions.  Use an HB pencil.
>>
>>I.  Heroes.  Please answer yes or no.
>>    I agree with the opinions of the following people:
>>
>>    ___  George Gilder                  ___  William van der Zalm
>>    ___  Dan Quayle                     ___  Joey Coors
>>    ___  Jesse Helms                    ___  Pat Robertson
>>    ___  Ed Anger                       ___  Lyndon Larouche
>>    ___  Don Cherry                     ___  Michael Friedman
>>
>>II.  Anti-heroes.  Please answer yes or no.
>>    I disagree with the opinions of the following people:
>>
>>    ___  Mohandas Ghandi                ___  Jello Biafra
>>    ___  Michael Dukakis                ___  Martin Luther King
>>    ___  Masters and Johnson            ___  Rev. Ivan Stang
>>    ___  Noam Chomsky                   ___  Anybody from Canada
>>    ___  Jesse Jackson                  ___  Woodie Guthrie
>>
>
>Is this a 'The net Really Does go outside the USA I never knew' American
>centred post because I haven't a bastard clue who about 75% of the above
>people are.

You need to read a paper more often than annually, then.

>Regards,
>
>	Neil (who doesn't live in the USA!)

After seeing you and Arne go at it in quite a few newsgroups like a couple
of adolescent hedgehogs in heat, all I can say is I'm duly grateful for that
small favor...


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.med.aids
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Subject: Re: AIDS: What the Gov't Isn't Telling You
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Note: non-commercial reproduction.
Archive-Number: 5815
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:28:08 GMT

In article <25043@dog.ee.lbl.gov> etjue@lbl.gov (Eric T. Jue) writes:
:I heard an interesting talk show on 7/27/92 concerning a new book titled
:"What the Government Isn't Telling You About AIDS."  The author of the
:book, Dr. Lorraine Day of UC San Francisco, offered her findings on the
:air and fielded questions from listeners.  According to her, research has
:shown that the AIDS virus is not a fragile virus and that it may survive
:up to 7 days in a dry environment and up to 14 days in a moist one.  It
:follows from this that AIDS may be transmitted through all types of
:bodily fluids, including sweat, and not just through blood.  She mentions
:other interesting findings on AIDS which she says the government is
:intentionally hiding from the public.  Her findings are all based on
:clinincal research documentation done around the world.  Her book may be
:ordered by phone at (800) 537-2437.  I hope people who have heard
:anything about Dr. Day or her book will post their thoughts to this
:newsgroup.  Thank you very much.

I'd like to know what documentation she does have. On the other hand,
I'd like to know what Dr. Day means quantitatively with regards to how
much virus is present in sweat. I don't remember the probability of
exposure to HIV being high from contact with HIV in sweat.
	Besides if it's "The Government" why haven't we heard this from
the French or British governments? How about the World Health
Organization? Even the AIDS Conferences? I don't think it's responsible
to just pin one government if the entire world is equally negligent. In
other words, this is a great way to raise a ruckus and perhaps
unneccessary fear about AIDS and HIV: blame the government for
withholding information from the public and for the deaths that may
result.
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From: mark@clipper.ingr.com (Mark Weaver)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Summary: recession definition
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:34:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <3398@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
> In article <1992Jul19.225428.25403@afterlife.ncsc.mil> glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno) writes:
> >
> >Correct me if I'm wrong... aren't we ALREADY in the biggest
> >recession since the 1930's?
> >
> >Jerry Reno (Nobody N. Nowan) glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil
> 
> Well Jerry I'll correct you.  First of all we are NOT in a recession at all,
> yes the media likes to use that word but if you pick up an economics book you'll
> see the reality. 
> 
> Recessions are typically marked by high inflation, interest rates, low consumer
> spending, high unemployement.  Our economy has NONE of those traits.  7.2%
> unemployement rates are not high, they could be lower but they are not high at
> all by historical standards and we have low interest rates, low inflation,
> consumer spending, what we have is not a recession.
> 

We most certainly do have low consumer spending.  I'm not sure what formula is
used to determine this but logic tells me if many business' are going belly up,
it's probably due to low consumer spending.
Also, the number of people unemployeed is determined by the number of people  
collecting unemployement benefits.  How are the people that have run out of
benefits figured into this equation?  

This is a prime example of how people in political offices like to keep things
cloudy.

 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.155428.8208@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.225428.25403@afterlife.ncsc.mil> glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno) writes:
>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong... aren't we ALREADY in the biggest
>>recession since the 1930's?
>
>consider yourself corrected. The recession in the middle 70's and the
>one in the early 80's where each far worse. This one is actually pretty
>mild, it just seems worse compared to the previous decade of growth.
>

Define *worst* and *big*. By GNP growth?, by unemployment,
by number of Savings and Loans that have failed???
In several ways - the Savings and Loans failing for example-
this recession *is* worse than the one in the 70's and certainly
in terms of unemployment it is worse than the one in
the 80's -at least in New England. (The recession hasn't really
hit Hawaii yet)
:-)
Kristin


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: shz@garage.att.com (Name?  What name?)
Subject: Re: Carter Best President in Memory
Organization: Not a Liberal!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:52:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.083945.15837@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> Carter suffers from the same problem that the Labour Party
> suffers from in the UK. Both were in office during the time
> when economies the world over were suffering badly,

Sort of like what is happening right now...
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc