From: pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:30:45 GMT

In article <9301021327.48@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>> To have a handgun in your home, you can
>>> also apply for a Sporting license.  This allows the right to buy 
>>> handguns and ammunition, keep them in your home, and carry them to
>>> "sporting events" unloaded in the trunk of your car.  They probably
>>> only turn people down for this license if they have a felony arrest
>>> record.
>>
>>Or can't pass a written test, or a shooting test, or can't get letters 
>>of recommendation from three other citizens, or doesn't belong to a
>>bona-fide sporting club ($100-$200/year).
>
>These requirements have changed over the last decade.

I don't think so.  Could you cite the the pertinent legislation that changed 
it please?

>
>>My wife is stalled on her permit because all of the people she's known
>>for any length of time in the area are anti-gun.
>
>That's life.

No, that's injustice, ethically bankrupt, and a direct and immediate 
violation of her Constitutionally protected civil liberties.

>
>>> The police would like to know who has guns.
>>
>>Probably so; but since having a gun isn't a crime, it's frankly none
>>of their damn business.
>
>This is assuming that anyone who steps up to the counter to buy a
>gun has innocent intentions.

That is the basis of our legal system:  assuming innocence until guilt is 
proven.  Any other approach is termed "prior restraint," and is 
unconsitutional.

>
>>> In Arizona, I believe, there is now a move to restrict the current laws
>>> that allow children to carry concealed weapons, as many parents are
>>> concerned that it has become fashionable for junior high students to
>>> carry concealed weapons.
>>
>>Really.  I was under the impression that in Arizona it's not legal to
>>carry a weapon concealed at all.  Check your facts.
>
>Yes, you're right.  They can carry - not concealed.  I personally don't
>feel that 12-14 year old kids have the maturity to be packing guns
>wherever they go.

Please cite the relevant passage from the Arizona legal code.  I think that 
you are mistaken.

>
>>> >BTW - MA's permit system and "mandatory jail time for unlicensed
>>> >carry" is one of the great gun control failures.  It doesn't restrict
>>> >anyone worth restricting and merely provides an excuse for a lot of
>>> >illegal searches.
>>> 
>>> It is a failure, but I don't know that there is a high rate of illegal
>>> searches.
>>
>>Well, let's see.  Two months ago, a state police officer stopped a man
>>for speeding.  The man's target permit became visible as he offered his
>>license, and an illegal search of the car followed.  The police found an
>>expensive pistol belonging to the man's mother.  They determined that he
>>was not on his way to a sporting event, so they confiscated the pistol
>>and charged the man under Bartley-Fox.  Bartley-Fox says specifically
>>that you cannot be charged under it if you have ANY license to carry
>>(although the police can then revoke your license).  Despite this, the
>>judge ignored the law and convicted the man.  Also, they did not return
>>the pistol to the mother, another objective violation of the law.
>>
>>That's just the most recent one I know of.
>
>Why wasn't this in the newspapers?

Because most newspapers subscribe to the philosophy of advocacy journalism:  
pick a side in a issue an be a cheerleader.  Since most news organizations 
suffer from paternalistic statism, they are anti-civil liberties.

>
>>> How does a person who would endure hardship by being robbed of $10
>>> acquire a gun.  I own several guns, and they all cost $200+.
>>
>>Well then, better make sure no Massachusetts judge gets her hands on them.
>
>I don't carry them around with me every time I go out.

Then they aren't going to do you much good in an emergency.

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