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From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:13:47 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.football.pro, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>Hello, everyone!  Goooood Morning!
>NEXT CANDIDATE:  Dave Wanstedt (sp?) (OOOOOOOH PULEEEEEZE GOD)  Quick,
>someone help me think of a sacrifice we can offer to the Football Gods!
>Adriene (ULTRA PSYCHED G's FAN)

    I'm hoping that any of the following wind up coaching the Giants:

       1- Bill Parcells
       2- Dan Reeves
       3- Mike Ditka

    I'd rather not see them get a college coach (unless it's Bill Walsh,
but there's no hope of that). I have bad memories of Ray Perkins. Didn't
they get him from Alabama, or did he go to Alabama from the Giants??
Anyway, he stunk. As far as Wanstedt, he'd be okay, despite his Cowpie
background. :-)
			       Steve
			       RAY HAS GONE (THANK THE FOOTBALL GODS!!)
			       GO GIANTS!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Young AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year
From: dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:52:59 GMT

ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.160123.3914@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:

>>
>>Steve Young     28
>>Barry Foster    24
>>Emmitt Smith    17

>This burns my ass... and Emmitt's too. Emmitt left college early mainly 
>because his accomplishments at Florida got no respect from the Hypesman 
>voters ... How can he rush for MORE yards and MORE TD's than Foster and 
>still finish below him in this voting. This is horseshit. Emmitt had to face 
>tough, physical defenses (Giants, Washington, Philly) in SIX of his games 
>this year and in case nobody noticed, the Phoenix D was no pushover this 
>year either. Foster had a great year... Young had a great year but Emmitt 
>has simply been T-H-E FUCKING MAN!!

Perhaps, in the analysis, the writers also took into consideration what
the player meant to the team itself.  I mean, unless the person in question
had just a totally totally unbelievable personal year, then I think the
writers put quite a bit of weight into how much the team would MISS the 
player in question were he not there.  You take out Emmitt Smith, you
still have the fine corps of receivers.  You take out Foster, and with
Green out, and Graham disappearing, and Bubby to lead them in the latter
part of the year, and you KNEW who was getting the ball...and nonetheless,
Foster managed to get all those 100 yard games and be in the running for
the rushing crown.  I think that may  be why he finished ahead of Emmitt,
who admittedly, had a great year as well.


>-- 
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Whenever the fates hear someone say, "It can't get any worse than this..." 
>They just laugh and double your misery! 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:35:53 GMT

In article 1iuf0fINNhk3@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:
>In article <schnitzi.726784345@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
>>
>>It would be laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.  You Cowboy fans
>>must be proud of little Ray here.
>
>Whatsa matter, Marky Mark, can't take a loss??  You were one
>of the biggest Philly woofers around BEFORE the game(s)!  At
>least I'm dealing with what HAPPENED, not what's GOING TO
>HAPPEN!!  You bEagle fans on the net are all alike, BIG MOUTHS
>before the game, little wimps after your team gets their little
>green asses kicked!
>
>I'll tell you what's pathetic:  The bEagles score a consolation
>TD with 50 seconds left in the game.  Now, they're only behind
>by 3 TD's and a FG with no hope for "tomorrow".  They're WR
>gets penalized for "excessive celebration"!!  That's pathetic,
>but typical, oh so typical of the Eagles and their fans!!

 What!!! I was at the game and left when it was 34-3 to beat traffic
 so I didn't get to see the last TD. Are you telling me that the Eagle
 WR actually celebrated!! That is pathetic!!! What an idiot! If I had
 guys on my team who celebrated after a stupid last minute TD in a huge
 playoff loss, I would have a serious ass-chewing session with him and
 the rest of my idiot team.

 I wanted to be a gracious winner in this game but when I hear stupid
 shit like this, it really makes me glad that philly lost the
 game. I mean can you IMAGINE the big-mouths if they had won if they are
 actually celebrating a meaningless TD in a huge loss!!!
From: chf0@bunny.gte.com (Curt Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Play off sites
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:41:58 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <C0E78y.L77@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
|> 
|> If. And it is a very big if!
|> 
|> The Bills beat P-burg
|> 
|> The Charges beat the Fish
|> 
|> Where will the playoff game be? Buffalo or San-Diego.

That game would be in San Diego.  BECAUSE, the Chargers are a
divisional champion and the Bills are a wild-card (just like they've
been all year).

Curt

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: loucks@csn.org (Lord Vader)
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:27:32 GMT

re: Hamish and his nonsense.

>So all you ignoramuses out there,before you flame me, try and think
>of an intelligent point to make first, if that's possible for a bunch
>of couch potatoes....
>Football Players Are Dickless

I see.  So we should all try to make an intelligent point, like yours
there referring to dickless.  Let's knock this crap off.  This is
for postings about football not endless crap comparing soccer to it.
Save it for someone else, we really don't want it here.  Post it
to rec.sport.wasteoftime.pro or something else.  Take your crap 
elsewhere.  And what do you care anyway.  You don't have to watch
the NFL in scottland to begin with.
From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:45:47 GMT
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1993Jan5.024451.9514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.002739.6226@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.220431.14516@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) writes:
>>>In a rec.sport.football.college article,
>>>jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>>>>Minutes ago, Washington State junior QB Drew Bledsoe announced that he
>>>>will indeed make himself eligible for the upcoming NFL draft.  With a
>>>>somewhat shaky voice, he first enumerated the reasons for staying and
>>>>for leaving:
>>>>[...]
>>>
>>>We know that New England has the #1 pick in the upcoming draft, while the
>>>Seahawks will pick second.  I'm curious what those who are familiar with
>>>the Pats think of the probability of their picking Bledsoe.  IMHO, the
>>>Seahawks are an impact quarterback away from getting back to .500
>>>(perhaps even better) within the next couple seasons, and would certainly
>>>take Bledsoe if he were still available.
>>>Any comments?
>>
>>Do you even know if there will BE a draft?  What do you think of New
>>England's chance of getting some quality players if college players
>>can go anywhere they please?
>
>Well, considering there's been an NFL college draft for the past 61 years,
>that certainly enough grounds for me.  Am I missing something here?
>Please enlighten.
>
With the tentative agreement between Players and Owners down the tubes,
the Minnesota Federal Judge (Doty?) can impose any settlement he
pleases.  ONLY the previous agreement, concluded in 1987, gives the
NFL the right to hold the draft.  In the absense of an agreement,
the owners have said that the previous agreement holds.  The players
disagree and are in court to seek relief.  That's why I have questioned
if the draft will be held.
>(Would you as a college football player rather go to a 2-14 or a 14-2 team?)
Personally, I would go where I think I have a chance to play and
demonstrate my skills (which, as far as football is concerned, is limited :-))
>
>Cheers
>
>John
>--
> John E. Martin    jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu      University of Puget Sound '92
>    Kent, WA     (formerly martin@ups.edu)   SeinfeldSuperSonicsBC++RushDWeckl
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: ron_frank.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Subject: Dolphins/Bills Tickets
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:41:16 GMT

Does anyone have information on how I can get two tickets to the AFC
Championship Game?  I know it is sold out!

GO FISH !!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: "The Catch" (WAS: Randall, Emmitt, and "The Catch")
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:34 GMT

In article <IK.93Jan12074335@puffin.ctt.bellcore.com>, ik@puffin.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan11.190027.14379@ncsu.edu> mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
> 
> > I too cheered for the Niners over the skins' because as much as
> > I wanted home field for da Boyz, "The Catch" devistated me (I was
> > only 7 but believe me it did) and I have wanted a chance at the
> > Niners ever since.
> > 
> > Over/Under on TV replays of "The Catch" this week is currently 40.
> > I saw it 9 times yesterday alone.
> > 
> 
> Why does the media and everybody else only talk about "The Catch"? If I
> remember correctly, after the catch was made by Clark Kent, there was
> almost a minute left in the game (55 seconds I think). Sure enough, D.
> White was marching down the field soon afterwards, until...  "Hacksaw"
> Reynolds sacked him and caused a fumble near the midfield. IMO, the
> sack/fumble was as an important play, since Dallas only needed a field goal
> to win. Does anyone else remember that part of the championship game?
> --
> 
> Ik Su Yoo
> RRC-4F728, x5764
> ik@mobydick.leis.bellcore.com

     Does anyone else remember the controversy over Montana then taking the
ball and running out of his own end zone before time expired; some thought 
that it should have been called a safety; this play was replayed for two
days nearly as much as "The Catch".

Kevin L. Stamber
Purdue University
Book 'em, Dano!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Analysis of Eagles vs Cowboys 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:37:02 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius) writes:

>douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>>epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:
>Okay, real slow now: when preparing for the upcoming game, which tape would
>_you_ study the most.

Okay, real slow now:

   1)  Something happens 2 months ago, but yet as of today it never has 
       happended ?

   2)  
       a)  Studying a tape does not == correcting everything that happened in
           that game.  Dallas will also be studying tapes you know.

       b)  Ok, Emmit got >160 yards the last time out so he won't this
	   time.  Hell why even play the game:  

	      Meeting n:    Philly beats Dallas.
	      Meeting n+1:  Dallas beats Philly.
	      Meeting n+2:  Philly beats Dallas.

	      Thats the way it works right ?  They watched the tapes ?


				-Ron


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Domes suck
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  6 JAN 93 13:00:47    

In article <1iesbsINNggr@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes...

>In article 3864@cbnewsc.cb.att.com, bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
>> 	So what makes this a dumbass statement?  Football IS an outdoor
>> sport and it's being ruined by the domes (and artificial turf before
>> that).
> 
> 
>I agree,  however,  YOU sit in Soldier Field in the middle of Nov/Dec/Jan,
>watching a game in 20 degree weather & a wind chill of -20.  Do it once &
>you never will  again.  If the teams want to be only televised,  no problem,
>but to fill 70,000 seats,   it must be somewhat bearable. 

Ach!  20 degrees is warm.  The Packers have had 1 game at Lambeau in 
December in each of the last 2 years.  It was in single digits both 
times.  The temp at game time against the Rams was 8 with a wind chill 
of -15 but I was perfectly comfortable.  In fact, when the PA announcer 
said it was 8 degrees I said that can't be right.

But I've been going to games in 10 degrees or less weather for years. 
When I was a kid, before I learned how to dress, I went to a cold 
weather game and started shivering so much I lost my lunch.  Good 
thing the folks in front of my had deserted their posts about 20 
minutes earlier.  

I went to a game when the temperature was -8.  It was the second 
coldest day in Packer history and only the 2nd time the Packer 
band didn't play at the game (the other being the Ice Bowl, of 
course).  At one point we saw smoke coming from the parking lot 
but couldn't see what it was from.  Then the PA announcer said 
"Will the owner of the car with license number xxxxx please come 
to the fan assistance center.  Your car is on fire."  The guy had 
left his grill under the car I guess to keep it warm.  It was warm 
alright.  :-)

JGH
From: sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cleveland has Classy Fans! (from a Bills fan perspective)
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:33:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Maryland at College Park

pretzlaff@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (NUMBER 1 TRIBE FAN!) writes:

>I'm sure the majority of the [Cleveland fans cheering for Buffalo] came
>because we hate the Steelers and do not want them to have Home field
>advantage in the playoffs.

then he writes...

>Us Blue collar towns have to stick together.

Uh, as opposed to Pittsburgh?  ? ? ?

- Stephen
From: chf0@bunny.gte.com (Curt Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dolphin's Offerdahl out for the rest of the playoffs
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:03:15 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

John Offerdahl underwent surgery on Wednesday to repair the torn
muscle in his abdomen that has kept him out of the lineup for the last
half of the season.  He should be healed for next season, but the
recovery time for his surgery is expected to be 3 months, minimum.
Dwight Hollier will be asked to take his place in the lineup.

My comment on this is: 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Need I say more?

Curt

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles-Aints
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:56:39 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan7.065144.7182@nosun.West.Sun.COM> wnielsen@nosun.West.Sun.COM (Walter Nielsen - SUN Portland) writes:
 >> On the flip side:  this has to be way aggravating for Saints fans.
 >> I've been there, so I won't gloat.  Besides, the team should have
 >> a bright future, provided that it makes one key move:
 >> 
 >> dump Hebert.
 
This is true although Mora must take some of the heat for the play calling
in the past two seasons. 

The Saints would have been better off to have kept Steve Walsh playing
instead of letting Hebert blackmail them, now you have payed the BM money
and the better of the two QB's is still holding a clipboard. I don't think
Walsh is the greatest QB in the NFL but he can play more than the 
"Hebert Vanilla offense". All Steve Walsh needs is some playing time,
he was doing better until St. Bobby came marching back into town, the
way Walsh was treated was wrong, do all the work, go to camp and mini camp,
then Hebert walks in and takes over. If I were Steve I would have demanded 
to be traded the following day. I think the Saints made a good trade 
then blew it by benching the guy, if you don't think Walsh can play
go back and watch the Miami tapes, given time he could be a good NFL QB. 

I wish Dallas wouldn't have traded him because we will probably (most likely)
loose Steve Beuerline at the end of the season. Some Dallas fans may not
like the idea but remember, when Walsh played for Dallas, they stunk and
Aikman didn't fair much better his first season. Tell you what give us a 
nice draft choice and we'll trade Steves :-), at  least he's familiar
with the Dallas system and we'll be QB shopping at the end of the season.


Go Cowboys !!!!
tim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Dump Steve Young (NOT!)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:07:08 GMT

In article <meskes.726829521@ulysses> meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes) writes:
>zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>> [lots of "Dump Steve Young" stuff by Mark Perew deleted]
>> [some other stuff deleted]

But i cannot remeber the Candlestick field being this bad when Montana
qbed.  I think that it is Young's fault.  Just kidding.

It seems that people are comparing young and this team to the 80s team
when they where at their best.  Lets not forget that Montana did
play some bad games in the playoffs, some of which he lost.
How about Detriot in 83 when only a missed FG saved the Niners.
How bout the 86 wildcard game against the Giant when they got there
clocks cleaned.  Or the deabacle against Minnesota when Montana
actually got benched.  They won the game on saturday for Christ sake.

Young is still having a great year, they are in the title game.
What bugs me is I am sure that if all the Niners lose, all the
Montana supporters will postin away no matter how Young plays.
I do hope that the Niners win the SB just so their front office
will be able to do what it should without fan pressure.  Turn
the team over to Young.

PS - WOuld you people want to see Dwight Clark instead of
     Jerry Rice if Dwight said he could still play?

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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Delton Hall arrested for DUI
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:45:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfHy8Sa00WDK0766o8
Distribution: na
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 8-Jan-93 Delton Hall
arrested for DUI hyderabadi@sdcc3.ucsd.ed (481)


> Injured SD Charger backup DB Delton Hall was arrested last night at 
> 1:30am for DUI. He was very intoxicated at the time, resisted arrest
> and supposedly slugged a cop. I guess that rules him out for Sunday's
> game as well as his future with the Chargers.

yeah, especially considering he was arrested here in Pittsburgh earlier
this year (was it preseason? I can't recall) for breaking and entering
his ex-girlfriend's apartment and taking back (read "stealing") the tv
set. :/

--Vernon.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
Subject: Re: Unlikely Hero: Brian Mitchell
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 05:20:21 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

>The Redskins are kicking butt with a former College QB
>by the name of Brian Mitchell. 

I'm a Cowboys fan, but I know good when I see it.  Brian
Mitchell is good.  He's been good all the years he's been
with the 'skins.  Last year, he was overlooked for the 
Pro Bowl even though he led the league in return average
for most of the year.  For next year, I'm hoping they
showcase his talent more.  

>Current score:  Vikings  7  Redskins  24

I can't believe people thought the Vikes would actually
beat a Redskin team in the playoffs.  Like I said, above,
I'm a Cowboys fan, I found it hard to believe that most
of the fans in the area (Washington, D.C.) wrote off
the 'skins.  Next week against S.F. it's going to be
one hell of a ball game.  

Prediction:  If Young hasn't moved the niners by the
second possesion of the second half, Montana will trot
out.  

I want the 'skins to win against SF but _if_ Montana
comes out, with the SF crowd, it's going to be like 
opening night in Dallas.  That said, I want NOTHING
more than a hot-to-trot Redskin team to come to
Texas Stadium in two weeks.  

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