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From: KELLENBER_J@EZINFO.VMSMAIL.ETHZ.CH (KELLENBERGER,JAKOB)
Subject: IIsi 25MHz, how to do it ?
Organization: ETH ZUERICH
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:16:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi there !

There are a lot of messages about speeding up a Mac IIsi, in a cheap way to
25Mhz; my problem is, how to do it ! Could someone send me detailed
instructions on : whats to do and which electronic parts I have to buy.
Or is there an article in a magazine which describes the installation ?

Please send me an E-Mail to the following address :

Kellenber_J@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch

Thanks in advance !

MfG  James

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (SAURABH MISRA)
Subject: Upgrading the IIsi:  Video Card or Accelerator
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:08:10 GMT

If you only have around $500 to spend to make the IIsi faster,
should you get a accelerated Nubus video card or an accelerator
(like the Daystar 33 for $549).  Also if you replace the crystal
with a 50Mhz one, will the video be faster than that obtained
from an accelerated video card, like the E-Machines Doublecolor SX?

thanks

Saurabh

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa)
Subject: Apple 14" Color -> LCII ???
Reply-To: motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:46:42 GMT

Can the new Apple 14" color monitor be 
connected to the LCII?  Thanks, John 
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=  Enjoy!          John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, ESMR Development  =
=  thanks          derosa@ssd.comm.mot.com                       =
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From: jodyj@phred.UUCP (Jody L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: HD to SCSI I/F
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: jodyj@phred.UUCP
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physio-Control

Help.  I have a hard drive that I am attempting to set up as a stand 
alone unit.  I have a power supply to drive it but I need a cable to
interface the 50-pin output of the HD to a SCSI connector.  Does 
anyone know the pin connections to be made or where I can buy a
connector kit.  Any external hard drive would have this connector.

Does anyone have a dead mac external hard drive they would cannibalize
for a minimal price?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander)
Subject: Word Wrap Patches 1.2.1 causes Think C crash under System 7.1
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:17:17 GMT

Word Wrap Patches is a nifty little hack that adds several functions
(word wrapping, brace matching, etc.) to editors like BBEdit, Think C, etc.
My favorite feature was the "Think Link" function.  This patch allows you to
control-double-click on a trap name, causing Think Reference to launch and
move to the entry describing that trap.  I had installed the Think Link
patch (and none of the other patches) to my copy of Think C 5.0.4.

But when I updated my System files from 7.0.1 to 7.1, Think C would no
longer work - it crashed with ID = 28 (stack/heap collision).  Removing
the Think Link patch cured the crashing.

I am forwarding this message to the author of the Word Wrap patcher, James
W. Walker.
-- 
Julian Vrieslander 
Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853    
INTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu     BITNET: eacj@crnlthry
UUCP: ..cornell!batcomputer!eacj
From: ifby661@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Adam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: IIsi 25 MHz what? (DOES NOT WORK W/ NUBUS CARD)
Date: 13 Dec 92 08:27:48 GMT
Organization: University of Texas
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d14
X-XXDate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09:31:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec3.145429.23982@med.umich.edu> ,
caraher@pn32.petnet.med.umich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec3.021605.6719@gw.wmich.edu> x90wojtyniak@gw.wmich.edu
>writes:
>>I hopped into this 25MHz IIsi thing midstream.  Could someone fill me
in? 
>>What does it do for you?  More speed?  
>
>Yup. If it works.
>
>>Lots?  Noticeable? 
>
>20% or so. definitely noticeable.
>
>> Safe?  
>
>Debatable. The theory is that a IIsi is really a slowed-down IIci with
fewer
>slots, reduced in speed for marketing reasons. Involves some soldering;
>therfore, definitely not for the faint of heart.
>
>>Expensive? 
>
>
>No. Something like $11 for all the pieces, depending on where/how you
buy them.
>
>>Any info would be appreciated.
>>Tim Wojtyniak
>>X90WOJTYNIAK@WMICH.EDU


Here's my funky experience with it:

I went out and installed the 50Mhz osillator on my IIsi. I started up,and
no probs. It was about 20-25% faster than before. After that was done, I
decided to go ahead and install my NuBus adapter card with the built in
co-processor and that is when my problems started. I started getting
really funky screen noise. Sort of like wierd lines drawn accross my
monitor.

As soon as I took out the adapter card, everything was back to normal
(except a lot faster). So, from what I could gather, it does not work
with the NuBus adapter card.

Anyone Out there have similar results? Or did your setup work?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: emstadth@iastate.edu (Eric M Stadtherr)
Subject: IIsi Cache
Keywords: Cache,IIsi
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:57:24 GMT

Can anyone recommend a good cache card for a IIsi?  The DayStar has been
recommended, but obviously it is also the most expensive option...

Eric Stadtherr         |  Office:  138 Durham,    (515) 294-1314
Storms 8147 Sage       |  emstadth@iastate.edu  |  gaems@isuvax.iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail)
Subject: Re: Mac Plus volatile PRAM **HELP** please
Keywords: Mac Plus PRAM battery system 6.0.5
Organization: Softwords Research International Ltd., Victoria, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 01:06:12 GMT

>[info removed]
>
>Can anyone identify which pin on which chip should get battery power. I've
>examined the board and the only chip that I can see which might contain
>PRAM is one marked "clock", doesn't seem right somehow. I'd rather test for
>voltage than check continuity...I hate putting 1.5V across components at
>random. Even if a track is meant to connect at both ends, if it doesn't, I'd
>be putting power across other unknowns!!

Good to be cautious of course, but I believe most DMMs have a pretty high
resistance in series with that 1.5V, so even if you connect it to something
sensitive, the current is so low that damage is very unlikely.

You have the right chip, the clock and PRAM are in the same 8 pin package.
(Since they both need battery power anyway...)

On the 128/512 boards (and probably the plus too):
pin 1 goes to 6522 pin 39
pin 2 goes to crystal Y1 and C15
pin 3 goes to Y1 and C14
pin 4 goes to ground
pin 5 goes to 6522-12
pin 6 goes to 6522-10
pin 7 goes to 6522-11
pin 8 goes to C16 and battery power (via diode on analog board)

Good luck.

James MacPhail  jmacphai@cue.bc.ca  james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca  (604) 743-2416
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Simon_Kok@mindlink.bc.ca (Simon Kok)
Subject: Re: Duo Printer?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:04:41 GMT

In a previous article, mlobbia@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Kaneda) says:

>How possible is it to design a printer that connects to the large expansion
>port on the back of a Duo?  Does anyone out there know enough technically to
>say if this is possible?  I posted this on a FirstClass gateway and got no
>responses at all.
>
>Marcus

Hi there!  In response to your posting, it is possible to develop such a
device but there is already a few products available on the market that
utilitizes the standard serial port on the Macintosh Systems.

One of these products is called PowerPrint by GDT Softworks, Inc.  =)

It's a package that contains a variety of Chooser-level printer drivers (i.e.
Epson FX, LQ, Canon BJ-series and HP LaserJet series) and a special serial to
parallel converter cable (DIN8 to centronics printer port).

Apple also has a package called 'Macintosh Print Pack' which is basically a
smaller version of the GDT PowerPrint package.  In addition, Apple also has a
special bundle called the PC Companion Kit which is aimed at PowerBook and
Duo users.  This kit contains a bunch of useful utilities such as DataVis
MacLink translators, MacVGA, Macintosh PC Exchange and also GDT PowerPrint.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to post and ask! =)

Seasons Greetings!


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Technical Support Engineer                     AppleLink: GDT.MKT
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From:  (m19701)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: flopticals
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:51:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: mitre.org

Greetings all.

			I am considering the PLI 21meg floptical.  Does any one out there use
one?  Is it truely capable of reading/writing reg discs as well?  Even if
disc formated on another drive?  Any problems with other drives
reading/writing to reg discs formated on floptical?

			Seems the cost of a floptical isn't much more than a reg HiDen floppy
drive but the payoffs are great (one floptical per kid can keep them off my
HardDrive).

ed casey

(insert standard disclaimer here)
From: hopper@cs.ucsd.edu (Steven L. Hopper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac II + 4MB SIMMS FAQ
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:17:32 GMT

wysocki@netcom.com (Chris Wysocki) writes:



>Mac II, you'll also need to get a 68851 PMMU chip, which plugs into
>the motherboard and provides the hardware necessary to do VM.


The PMMU is also required to access the additional memory besides accessing
virtual memory.  This is not mentioned in the Connectix memory handbook,
but should be.
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: IIcx powers itself DOWN occasionally!?
Keywords: power supply problems
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:11:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I've got a Mac IIcx which had a logic board problem 2 months ago. I
sent it for repairs and replacing the crystal oscillator fixed the
problem. When I powered it up the first time, it booted ok but shut
itself off (not just a crash -- it actually powered down!) after a few
minutes. I restarted it and didn't have any problems for a couple of
weeks. However, about 5 times since then it has shut itself off again!
This usually happens after it's been on for a few hours, but is not at
all consistent (I've left it on all day with no problems).

I called the company which fixed the logic board and they said it is
most likely the power supply. If that's true, then why did the problem
not occur before I had the logic board repaired? Can anyone tell me
whether this random powering-down might be logic-related?

I guess I should go in and try to clean all the contacts to the power
supply, etc. I hate to send it for repairs and have to wait for them
to duplicate the problem, etc...

Thanks,
Ralph
-- 
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Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: chh9@ellis.uchicago.edu (Conrad Halling)
Subject: Re: PowerBook HD's and RAM Question?
Reply-To: chh9@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:33:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.134856.12639@utkux1.utk.edu> 
  danny@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Danny William McCampbell) writes:
>I am looking to upgrade my HD in my PB160 to about 120 megs.  Could
>someone recommend a really good place to buy one at a reasonable price?
>
>Also, I want to upgrade my PB to 10 megs of Ram.  Can I do this by
>purchasing a 6 meg simm. (I have 4 megs all ready)  Apple told me
>the only configurations for the 160 are 4, 8, and 14.  Is this correct?

LaCie sells a 120 Mb PowerBook internal drive for $499.  See p. 33 of the
January '93 issue of MACWORLD.

Our campus computer store sells PowerBook memory for the 160/180 in 2, 4,
6, 8, and 10 Mb sizes.  A 160 can have configurations of 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, or 14
Mb.  I don't know what the source is -- Apple provides only 2 or 4 Mb
sizes.  Be sure when you buy memory that it is completely compatible with
the 160 -- many memory modules made for the 145/170 do not fit correctly.
A 6 Mb memory module will cost you around $350.

-- 
Conrad Halling
c-halling@uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: minakawa@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tatsuya Minakawa:visiting scholar)
Subject: Quadra950 internal HD
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:08:45 GMT

Hi netters!
I have a plan to buy a internal hard disk drive for my Quadra950.
But since I don't know whether Quadra950 has internal terminater
on its board, I don't know which type I should buy, internal
termination type or external termination type.
Please help!!
Thanks in advance.


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ERL447 Stanford University
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FAX:	(415)725-7398
From: Petrack@HAIFASC3.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:24:51 IDT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Comparisons between StyleWriter and GCC WriteMove please?
Reply-To: PETRACK@HAIFASC3.VNET.IBM.COM
Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all
News-Software: Usenet 3.1

I am deciding between the StyleWriter and the GCC WriteMove. As far
as I understand things, the quality is essentially identical. The
sole difference is that the GCC is tiny and portable, and a bit
more expensive.

Have I got it right, or am I missing something?

Also, I remember vague rumors of a StyleWriter II. Will this change
the comparison any?

Replies to my e-mail as well as to here please. I will be away
from the usenet for about a week. (I feel withdrawal pains already)

Scott Petrack
Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com
Petrack@sunbeam.huji.ac.il
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: It vs. That
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:44:39 GMT


  Here in c.s.m.h, there is a nice thread saying :

  "Macs are better."
  "No, PCs are better."
  "No, Macs are better."
  "No, PCs are better."
  "No, Macs are better."

  ...ad naseum.

  It makes me wonder if right now in c.s.m.advocacy, there is a calm discussion
on the Powerbook 160...

  :)

|--------------------------------|    "If you were happy all of your life,
|      J. Taggart Gorman Jr.     |     you wouldn't be human - you'd be a
| jtgorman@caslon.cs.arizona.edu |     game show host."
|--------------------------------|             Winona Ryder, in _Heathers_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: skum@bessel.umd.edu (Allon Stern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac IIci memory problems...
Keywords: Mac IIci memory problems...
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:10:49 GMT
Organization: Skum Knows Unix, Maybe

In article <78561@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastjs@prism.gatech.EDU (The Amazing Jim Stembridge) writes:
>I have a Mac IIci with Daystar 64k cache card, 20 megs of RAM, internal
>105 meg hard drive. I'm running system 7.0.1. When I do "About This
>Macintosh", I see the system using 16megs of the 20megs. 
>This is a problem. The system only should be taking up 2-3 megs and
>I only have the ram cache set for 512k. Virtual memory is off. The cache
>card is turned off. Does anybody have a clue as to why the system is 
>taking up all the memory? Please mail your responses...thanks.
>-- 
>                      ccastjs@hydra.gatech.edu
>                I don't know nuthin bout anythin.......

This is enough of a FAQ that I think it should be answered here.
The solution is simple -- turn on 32 bit addressing in the Memory
control panel.  With 24 bit addressing, you won't be able to get
more than (what, 8, or is it 12) megs of memory accessible.
--
Allon, who had the very same problem once and felt really stupid about it
at the time.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: laug@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher Lau)
Subject: Re: Are SIMMS for the Mac and PC the same?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:41:47 GMT

Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca writes:

>I guess the subject line sez it all:

>Is it possible to use PC SIMMs in a Mac, and vice-versa?

>Another question: How can I tell the speed of a SIMM (100ns or 80ns)? Do
>the numbers on the chips provide any clues?

>Thanks for any help.

  I recently posted a similar question a while ago and I should have posted
a summary.. well, I guess I can summarize now.

  To answer your question, yes the mac can use PC SIMMs(but I haven't heard
about any cases where this has happened) but PC's cannot use Mac SIMMs. This
is because of the SIMM itself..PC SIMMs have an extra bit for parity checking
whereas the mac SIMM (8bits/byte) does not. So if you put PC SIMMs in a mac the
mac just ignores the extra bit..on the other hand, if you put mac SIMMs in
a PC it will not work.
 
I hope this helps..

As for your other question, I have no clue..

Chris.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: gadget@engin.umich.edu (Timothy David Sharpe)
Subject: Supra modem Cable
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:20:42 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Can one make, or buy the supra modem separately?
What is different from the null modem cable?

Tim

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jrosvall@cc.lut.fi (Juha Rosvall)
Subject: Re: MacPlus - No Video!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:47:32 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

lou@flipper.Corp.Sun.COM ("Luis R. Ordorica") writes:

>I have a MacPlus that exhibits the following symptoms:

>	* intermittent flashing on screen

>	* sometimes no video upon powerup

>	* flashing, then total loss of video

>When the system loses video, I can still hear the disk
>access as it continues its boot, so I believe the MacOS
>is running! when I lose video.

>I also noticed the video flash when a friend slid the
>computer back on the desk (while the hard disk was
>running!) a few inches.

I had exactly the same kind of symptoms with my plus; I tried cooling it 
(it helped a little), pushing and pulling Mac around my table helped a
lot and in the end I used a little stick, that didn't conduct electricity,
to pend my analog board (it helped a while).
Then when the screen started to flash again, I got tired, and disassembled
the machine and examined the analog board very carefully, and soldered
some connections that didn't look okay.
It helped. Since then my Mac hasn't had the same proble again (and they
all lived happily ever after...  :-)  )
I believe that either the heat that Macintosh Plus generates inside it's
cover has something to do with the problem or then it is a manufacturers
fault.

If you need any more advice (I'm not sure I can help you anymore, but still)
my e-mail address should be in the bottom of this text, but if not, it is:
jrosvall@lut.fi


Try not to loose your mind, I almost did ;-)

  Juha








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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Joe_D._Ciarcia@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:08:22 EST
Subject: Re: MAC WIZARDS UNITE!!!

Just wanted to catch myself on a mistake.... I had said that to upgrade a 1 meg
SE to 4 megabytes it would cost around $90..... this should have been $120....
I was kind of sleepin' there, sorry.  Joe
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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: *help* Accelerating the LC
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:12:16 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec15.141346.1@sissa.it>, allievi@sissa.it writes:
|> 
|> Could someone please help me in gathering information about
|> accelerating a Mac LC (10/40HD)? Any experience ?
|> Thank you in advance
|> Andrea
|> Email: ALLIEVI@TSMI19.SISSA.IT  -   ALLIEVI@ITSSISSA.BITNET

  Me too, please!

  TRAVIS
  hhtra@hou281.chevron.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:46:35 GMT

In article <1gpfjkINNmci@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:
>ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>Funny.. NT will run on the Alpha, R4000, etc.
>
>Funny.. Neither of those are Intel Processors are they?  That means that
>one of "The Enemy" are gone.  All I have to do then is work out a cunning
>plan to Engineer the downfall of Microsoft and I will be a happy man.
>Especially as it is looking extremely like Microsoft (another of "The
>Enemy") are trying their hardest to slay poor Intel.  Now why is it that
>Intel is selling ethercards?  Could it be they still need to sell
>something once the the 8088 based processors can no longer compete with the
>new generation processors.

I don't know how you define PC clone? Should a PC absolutely be bound with
an Intel 8088 family CPU? Can't PCs in the future have a RISC CPU? On the
other hand, do you think Macintash should never switch to non-680x0 CPU?
I would like to see both PC and Mac switch to more powerful RISC CPUs.

>I dislike Intel and Microsoft.  My previous post was an anti Intel Post and
>has nothing to do with Microsoft.  I abuse them enough and I figured it was
>time to gloat about the fact that the PC clone is finally coming to the end
>of its days.

If PC clone's days are counted because 80x86s are outperformed by RISCs,
how do you think about Mac's 680x0s?

>If you think windoze and a pc are better than a mac then I am very happy
>for you because you can save a lot of money.  But please don't try to
>convert the rest of us, because we are very happy buying horribly
>overpriced computers from a monopolistic company.  I come in to day,
>brimming with excitement at the prospect of using my macintosh all day.  I
>like seeing the sickly sweet smiley face when I turn it on.  I like the way
>you get to sit around for ages while compiling your programs because my
>SE/30 isn't as fast as a 486DX2-66 which I could buy for the same price.  I
>DON'T CARE so please take this conversation to alt.religion.computers where
>it belongs.  Followups directed there.

Personally, I don't think PC+Windows is better than Macintosh if the user
wants a Mac-like system. In fact, I don't want PC to be Mac-like. A system
close to Unix+X is more attractive to me.

Sorry. I don't think what I am talking here belongs to "religion". So I
keep this thread in the original newgroups.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware