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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:07:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.171654.18208@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>But I thought you never cared about the regular season???  
Argue against what you think again? Care to quote where I said I didn't care
about the NFL regular season?

>Isn't the only real season the post-season??   
Wrongo.

>>Buffalo in the SB while SF is at home still doesn't deny the fact of
>>14-2 vs 11-5.
>
>Sure it does.  That isn't their overall records.  It doesn't deny that it
>was their REGULAR season records..
Well, 14-5 isn't Buffalo's overall record either. Since our argument
is based on Dallas winning the SB, their overall record is 14-6, 
3 losses behind SF.

>True.  But the two teams in the SB have a much better shot at it then a team
>sitting at home...
Have a much better shot is not the ULTIMATE goal. 

>Nope, but at least they have a shot at it...
We are not talking about shot. The shot will be gone after the game, the
only benchmark left is whether you achieved the ultimate goal or not.

>SF was the team of the 80s, have
>they made it to the SB in the 90s???  NOPE!!!! They are old news...
This irrelevance has nothing to do with Buffalo not achieving the goal.

>>Putting words in my mouth again?
>Couldn't do that, no room with your foot in it...
Doesn't look like it with all your bogus argument.

>True.  However, we DO know that Buffalo has proven it was better than SF,
>on that 1 occasion if nothing else.  SF has not proven it was better than
>Buffalo at this point.
There is no need to. SF has proven to be the best among 28 based on 16
games. Since last Sunday, all the ordering we know so far is:

  Dallas > SF > field

>Funny, seems to me that they won all 3 of their playoff games so far as well.
>They were down by what, 32 points in one game and had the desire to come back
>and win.  
That only proved that Buffalo > Houston/Pitt/Miami, nothing more.

>San Fran. can't make that claim.  
Based on the entire season, it's also many people's opinion that 
SF > Houston/Pitt/Miami, i.e. SF and Dallas are the two best teams. Want
the "majority rules" again?

>I guess getting the best regular season record is all they cared about.  
Well, since they lost to Dallas, at least that gives them the claim
as the 2nd best team in the league.

>Yeah, but has Steve Young ever even lead his team to the SuperBowl???  
Who cares?

>Better to lead your team to the SuperBowl and lose, then to never get them
>there. 
Yep, to the AFC qbs, that's the reasonable target.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:59:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.160412.7915@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.204801.28282@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.173348.44784@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>Lots of examples to disprove this theory...
>>Show us in any football final polls. I can't wait ....
>Texas A&M 12-1
>FSU 11-1
>Notre Dame 10-1-1???  
>
>Who was the higher ranked of these teams????  Hint - not the team with
>the most victories...
College football polls usually count defeats, not victories, i.e. a 12-1 
team wouldn't be ranked higher than a 11-1 team.  

And guess what? 12-1 is idential to 11-1 in terms of losses, only 0.5 loss
fewer than 10-1-1. And that's not the case in SF and Buffalo.

So good try, but no cigar. Why don't you find us "lots of examples" when
two teams are 3 losses apart?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: lgoodfie@sobeco.com (l.goodfield)
Subject: Re: Why is Costas leaving NFL Live
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:33:21 GMT

In <1993Jan18.151851.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>rem@rockit.Eng.Sun.COM (Ralph E. Miller) writes:

>> . . .  I never knew why he was leaving.  Anyone out there know?

>   I think that it has to do with 1) his having enough money to never have to
>work another day in his life, 2) his extremely busy schedule, 3) his continuing
>to do his LATER television interview program, 4) his desire to call baseball
>games, and 5) his NBC radio call duties.

>   It's a shame;  he's the best Sunday host that *I* can remember . . .

>Max

I may be mistaken, but I remember hearing that he had signed a deal with
one of the cable networks for a sizeable sum of cash.


-- 
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Halftimes
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:24:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.100538.2574@rigel.econ.uga.edu> scottm@helena.stat.uga.edu (scott mclure) writes:

   In article <1993Jan21.162801.171@kirk.msoe.edu> wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu writes:
   >	Do the owners/coaching staffs/players have any control over these
   >ridiculous halftime shows during the Superbowl.  For the past 10 years

Yes, in fact they do.  The players of the AFC teams have had scheduling and
promotional responsibilities for the last 10 years.  It is almost due to
switch over to the NFC, but I think the AFC players have a few more years
left.  You might have noticed Thurman in the Mickey Mouse outfit last year.

In other words, why the hell would the players/staffs/coaches have anythying
to do with the half time show?

   and longest halftime on earth.  Wake up people!!! We love Super Bowl
   Sunday because of the game... not the choreography at halftime.

Wake up scott!  The NFL doesn't care a bit about what you like, just that you
watch.  And they will even gladly lose quite a few viewers like you (and me
because I hate this stuff too) if they can sell a few more minutes to coke.

Bill



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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NYG/Reeves NOT pass oriented coach??
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:05:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Jan.26.17.07.10.1993.26214@pepper.rutgers.edu> gore@pepper.
rutgers.edu (Bittu) writes:

Here's me 2 cents (for what it's worth):

>
>That is a good point. However, looking at the list of players who are
>going to be free agents, which players do you think would be good
>acquisitions for the GIANTS? 

A good speedy wide receiver (wonder if the Jets will let go of Chris
Burkett or Rob Moore).

A better free safety (or keep playing McGrigs at that position... I think
he'll be a pretty decent player).

A good linebacker (Corey Miller MUST go!) and a defensive tackle couldn't
hurt either.

>We also ought to lose some of the older
>players currently on the team. Now that Parcells is in NE, I'm pretty
>sure that he'll take some of *his* players there. 

Good!  I really have respect for these guys and for what they have done 
for the team but keeping players who want Parcells as their head coach is
bad for both team morale and affects newer players who may not think as
highly of their new coach.

>Which are positions
>where the GIANTS need help most? I say they need a couple of good
>linemen so they can protect their QB's, at least one good receiver and
>should use Bunch for pass catching a little more (like Rathman, Johnston
>etc.). 

The line is just fine, what the Giants need are some pasing routes.  Having
MaCaffrey or Baker run down the sideline and try to catch a pass on third and
long can only result in an INT or a sack!  I am so glad Ray is gone!!

>What is our tight end situation? Is Howard Cross good enough?
>Derek Brown?

Cross was brought in during the tail end of Bavaro's career. While he
really isn't a pass catching threat that Bavaro was, he can really block
well.   Derek Brown will be good.

>Who can we pick up to fill the holes in
>the secondary which is really bad, especially at CB? 

Bingo!  This is what I've been saying all along... the Gs secondary has gotten
lazy off the big plays of their linebackers.  I remember a few years ago when
a passing down against the Gs either resulted in a sack or incompletion if the
LBs got pressure on the QB or a big play pass if the QB got time to throw.

A better safety should be able to prevent the big plays (Chuck Cecil??) but
we really do need better CBs!

>The defensive
>front is also old, but I still feel that it is good and only needs
>support from an *impact* linebacker.

Agreed!  

>
>I certainly don't want to see another 6-10 season but if they are
>going to do a good job of rebuilding then I have no problems.
>
>--Vivek

satish nair
giants


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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Dallas/Buffalo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:19:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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You loose! You posted you opinions as fact, Forget the HYPE the winner is the 
best!


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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: "How bout them Cowboys"
Organization: CRAY Research
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:45:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.152325.21236@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>I don't see any clear advantage for the Bills.  The NFC Championship game
>had as much build-up and as many distractions as any in recent memory.

[...]

I doubt it.  Maybe you haven't followed a team closely through the two weeks
leading up to the Superbowl, but wait until this weekend when they arrive
in Pasadena.  It is a medai frenzy and it goes on *all* week.  The media
catches the players after practice, at the hotel, on the can - you name
it.  This, however, will affect both teams in some way, but in no way does
it compare to blowing into SF a day or two before the NFC championship
and staying in a hotel that maybe the media doesn't even know about.


mike
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Gaints close to signing Reeves.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:40:48 GMT

In article <106175@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
>Subject: Re: Gaints close to signing Reeves.
>Date: 22 Jan 93 14:31:54 GMT
>In article <C19C63.Fn4@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>>The Gaints are close to signing Dan Reeves.
>>Source: Local ABC Sports News.
>>
>>PS: Satish, do not cry :-) :-)
>>

No, that was ME you heard crying.  :-(

>>S.h
>
>
>ARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>satish nair
>go...er, Jets (yeah, that's the ticket!)
>

EXCUSE ME, Lets not jump over to the jets just yet my friend.
How about the "New England Giants" with our boy Bill P?

ACK! I'm scared....
ALN
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From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki)
Subject: Re: Really important question
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:22:13 GMT

satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

> In article <24JAN93.15042511@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> >
> >
> >It sounded to me like Joe Namath. What I want to know is, what was
> >Corbin Bensen doing in the commercial?
> >
> >Bart
> 
> 
> Wondering how they get the little threads through the pigskin?
> 
> satish nair
> giants

How about Blanda?  He was QB for a while before the Raiders used
him as PK.
BTW Pete Stoyanovich broke Blanda's Record for longest FG in a
championship game (52, Vs. Blanda's 48 set in 1967).
Jim G.
"Sig?  We don't need no steenkin' sig!"
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From: scottm@helena.stat.uga.edu (scott mclure)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Halftimes
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:05:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.162801.171@kirk.msoe.edu> wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu writes:
>	Do the owners/coaching staffs/players have any control over these
>ridiculous halftime shows during the Superbowl.  For the past 10 years
>the average length of a Halftime has been 37 minutes.  All of this media
>bullshit has got to stop!!!!  I can't believe that the league and teams
>allow these idiotic performers/producers ruin the most important day in 
>professional football.  I hear the excuse that "it brings in a lot of money."
>What a crock!!!  I do believe that the reason that people pay a minimum of
>$125 for a ticket to the big show, is to see the most hard-hitting, well
>played football game of their lives.  Maybe I'm just too much of a purist,
>but I think that Superbowl Sunday is just for the two best teams to suit
>up and knock the snot out of each other for 60 minutes just to see who's
>left standing at the end.
>
>John Wesloski
>wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
>
>**note**  If that idiot Garth (I love men) Brooks, or Billy Ray
>          (I'm a white man with no rythm at all) Cyrus perform
>	  at the Superbowl, I swear to God I'll never watch another
>	  football game for as long as I live.  And I hope some others
>	  follow my example!!
>
>Amen!!! The halftime show at the Orange Bowl is bad enough, but for
some reason, someone thinks the biggest football game of the year is the
place for the most outrageous, most poorly conceived, most uninteresting
and longest halftime on earth.  Wake up people!!! We love Super Bowl
Sunday because of the game... not the choreography at halftime.

Scott McLure



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From: frank@sps70.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Subject: Re:  Miami Dolphins Regroup
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:13:22 GMT

Gidi Avrahami writes:

>Ron Frank writes:
>>I cannot honestly say that they won that game so much as
>>Miami game it to them.  

>That's not fair.  Miami sucked, but the Bills forced the errors with a
>very aggressive *and* smart game.  And the special teams errors, again
>a combination of Buffalo's hustle vs Miami's non-chalance.
>
>Okay, let's count the miscues:
>
>1. Martin fumble after a first down catch.  Great strip by the B corner,
>   bad ball protection by Martin.

This was the ONLY one of the seven that I would credit to Buffalo's
defense.  Even so, Martin has the reputation for dropping footballs - be
they thrown from Marino - or fumbled once he has caught them (which hasn't
happened enough).

>2. Marino fumble at midfield.  Webb couldn't stop Bruce Smith.

The Bills? - WRONG!  It is the offensive lines lack of protecion! (once)

>3. Kickoff muffed by Aaron Craver.  Maybe he was rusty.  Misjudged the
>  ball and misplayed it badly.

The Bills? - WRONG!  It was the "rusty" returner!!

>4. Partially blocked punt.  Tasker came from the side, just outquicked
>   his blocker.  No excuse.

The Bills? - WRONG!  It was the offensive lines lack of protection!!
(twice)

>5. Marino pass tipped and inetrcepted by lineman.  Marino's passes have
>   been getting tipped all year long -- somebody should watch the films
>   and find out why.  Great play by the Buffalo player.

The Bills? - WRONG!  It was the offensive lines lack of protection!!!
(three times).  After all, if "Marino's passes have been getting tipped all
year long", I would find it hard to credit all of the oppenents defensive
with "very aggressive *and* smart" games.

>6. Williams (who?) fumbles 2nd half kickoff.  Inexcusable.

The Bills? - WRONG!  "Inexcusable"!!

>7. Marino INT on the Buffalo goal line.  Hardly mattered.

The Bills? - WRONG!  It was Marino's frustration due to the lack of
protection all day long!!!! (fourth time)

>Did I forget anything?  Well, we need a special teams coach to come
>and kick some butt.  And work on those extra points, too.

YES:

8.  A first half kickoff that was fielded by a returners shin. 
Fortunately, the   Dolphins recovered that miscue.  And PLEASE, don't
credit Buffalo for that one either!


In closing, let me reiterate:

THEY NEED TO RECONSTRUCT THE OFFENSIVE LINE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: a GIANTS fan rambles on. was Re: Wannstedt to Chicago
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:56:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I agree that Parcells would not suit the Giants as the new coach only because
he (unlike someone new like Wannstedt) would be too attached to some of the
veteran players to make the necessary "house cleaning" changes.  However, I
disagree about Wannstedt not being interested in the Giants offer... he had
previously been offered the job at Pittsburgh last year but didn't want to
move from Dallas.  He was VERY interested in the Giants position but this is
all moot because THE GIANTS NEVER MADE HIM AN OFFER!!  He couldn't have used
the Giants offer for leverage because THERE WAS NO SUCH OFFER!!  I'm sure he
didn't want to play against JJ but this is all in hindsight. 

It is also my theory that the reason why Coughlin rejected the offer is that
having been familiar with the beaurocracy of Giants management ("do your
damn job and shut the hell up"), he knew a bad thing when he saw it!

As for the possible Hall of Famers that Parcels had to work with, I'd say
Mark Bavaro (in terms of dominating the TE position while he played for NY),
Lawrence Taylor of course, Harry Carson (making 9 Pro Bowls is no small feat),
and Phil Simms if only because of longevity.

satish nair
giants :-(


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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: One fan's opinion on the big one
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:39:27 GMT

<44038@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

Ok.  No flames, just my counter-opinion.
>Buffalo
>Offense: Explosive passing game, feeds off the running game, great RB 
>         and backup, QB will take chances.

Inconsistent on all counts, either due to injuries or mental errors.

>Defense: Superstars who play a lot on emotion, physical up front, solid LBs
>         and average secondary.

Again, very suspect.  How many points did they give up to Houston?  That
wasn't that long ago.

>Dallas
>Offense: Controlled aggression, great set of WRs+TE, great RB, 
>         conservative QB who won't lose the game for you by forcing passes.

Agreed.  Coaching is the concern here (at least, my concern).

>Defense: Solid, average pass-rush, secondary could be a weak point if
>         the line can't put enough pressure, good run defense.

That "average pass rush" helped Dallas to #1 defensively in 3rd down
conversion, when your pass rush is usually the most tested.  Not a good
interception team, but they limit your average yards per pass play real
well.  And BTW, that is the #1 defense against the run, and it faced
some of the better running games in the league.

>Outlook: Buffalo will score. That is given. It will boil down to how well
>their defense plays. If they let Dallas run on them and control the clock
>(especially in the 1st half), Buffalo's offense will be under a lot of 
>pressure. 

The key for the Bills is to knock Aikman around.  He got rattled during
the season when smacked around, not so much in the playoffs.

>          How will Dallas' defense react to the no-huddle? We don't know.

I tend to think of the no-huddle as an offense in thrid-and-long all the
time.  Dallas has the top defense in passing situations.

>Dallas can't afford to fall behind by 10+ points, their offense takes
>time to score. 

Tell that to Alvin Harper - their last TD drive against SF went length 
of the field in 39 seconds.  The difference in offenses here is that
Dallas can use up the clock when they need to.

>               Buffalo is the only AFC team that can physically match Dallas 
>up front on both the offensive and defensive lines.

Probably true.

>Should be a doozy.. take Buffalo +7

I don't see anyway Dallas can lose, but I've watched the NFL long enough
to know that there are no guarentees.  It should be a great game, but a
big third quarter from Dallas will ice it early.


Gordon
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer Thoughts...
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 26 JAN 93 13:02:29    

In article <81813@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael D. Friedman) writes...

>In article <93023.10515432BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Nathan Owen) writes:
>>Well the season has been over for some time for us Packer fans, and I've
>>been paying close attention to who is available as free agents who might
>>benefit the Packers.  On offense, there is some players that the Packers
>>could really benefit from having, and no doubt will attempt to get (at
>>least some).
> 
>	What about who they could lose? Is Majkowski a free agent. If so
>some team could probably use him. The Patriots, for one. He could probably 
>help a lot there.

You're preaching to the choir here.  We've already discussed whether 
he can succeed somewhere else.  I think everyone agrees he movin' on.

> I'm sure he won't be happy riding the bench behind Favre
>(I still don't know why the Falcons got rid of him)

Hmmm, a few months ago I was arguing with people who said the Packers 
gave up too much.  Assuming the Falcons had some idea of Favre's value 
they had to demand at least a #1.  If they'd have been smart and if 
they knew how good he appears to be they shouldn't have traded him at 
all.  But (1) they probably didn't think he was all that great and, 
(2) after only 3/4 of one season it's too early to be declaring 
that the trade was a real steal.  It sure *looks* like a real steal 
but we'll have to wait and see.

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From: pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se (Par Ingvarsson)
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:27:51 GMT

In article <C16LH4.3yE@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>In article <JOHNDOE93Jan20.194122@jefferson.inmet>
>johndoe@jefferson.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>
>Alright John!! Here's a few more...
>
>First, to go along with Brett Fauvre:
>o 4. Reggie Roby
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>> 83. Ted Hendricks
>o 84. Jay Novacek

Dont forget the "Single season reception record" holder Sterling Sharpe

>> 85. Jack Youngblood/Isaac Curtis/Wesley Walker
>> 86. Butch Johnson
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- eppy