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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 15:42:09 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Soccer: Table after Round 9

In <9210061310.AA21097@ersboda.cs.umu.se>
dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:

>Karel has posting problems at the moment, so I'm posting these for him,
>all thanks should be sent to him and not to me, I'm busy at the moment, so I'm
>not spliting this article into sepearate ones.
>
>Kent
>
>Round 9
>Beroe      1-0 Haskovo
>Pirin      1-0 Spartak V
>Etar       1-1 Lok S
>Sliven     1-1 CSKA
>Botev      1-1 Lok Pl
>Slavia     2-1 Dobrudja
>Chernom.   3-2 Yantra
>Levski     2-0 Lok GO

The table looks like this after round 9:

    Team                 P  W  T  L  Goals Pts.
 1. Levski               9  8  1  0  29- 9  17
 2. Loko Sf              9  5  4  0  20-10  14
 3. CSKA                 9  4  4  1  13- 5  12
 4. Loko Pd              9  4  3  2  18- 7  11
 5. Etar                 9  4  3  2   9- 7  11
 6. Botev Pd             9  4  2  3  16-12  10
 7. Chernomorets         9  3  3  3  11-11   9
 8. Pirin                9  3  3  3   9- 9   9
 9. Loko G.O.            9  3  3  3  12-14   9
10. Slaviya              9  4  1  4  11-13   9
11. Spartak Vn           9  3  2  4  11-13   8
12. Dobrudja             9  3  1  5  11-17   7
13. Yantra               9  2  2  5   8-17   6
14. Beroe                9  1  3  5   5-13   5
15. Sliven               9  1  2  6   6-17   4
16. Haskovo              9  1  1  7   6-21   3


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun)
Subject: Re: Some soccer results
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:27:58 GMT

In article <6310@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>
>
>European Cup:
>In Sofia: CSKA Sofia (Bulgaria) 3 Austria Vienna (Austria) 2 (1-1)
>Scorers:
>CSKA - Kiril Metkov (4th), Ivailo Andonov (60th), Boris Hvoinev (72nd, penalty)
>Austria - Thomas Flaegel (28th), Valdas Ivanauskas (68th)
>Attendance: 8,000
>Austria won 5-4 on aggregate.  
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>Luben

What kind of stupid rule is this?  Bulgarian team is
winning the second game at home and first game is a tie
at abroad, but stil the Austrians goes to second round.  Huh!  
Wait a minute!  The agrregate is also wrong based on
these scores.  

Bulgarian team= 3 goals at home + 1 goal at abroad (makes 2 goals)= 5

Avustrian team=  1 goals at home +  2 goals at abroad (makes 4)= 5

Something is wrong here.  Is it possible that actually
Bulgarians lost the first game as 1-0 or the game in
Sofia is actually a tie, 2-2?  But there are 3 scorers
for Bulgarians.   I am totally confused here.  
If the agregate is correct as 5-4, then the game in Sofia must be a
2-2 tie.   Or this must be a new math or an UEFA conspiracy against 
Bulgarians!

Cengiz Akgun
From: Marin.Guenov@newcastle.ac.uk (Marin Guenov (EDC - Cost Estimation))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Interview with Dr Zshelev
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:58:54 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Hi everybody,

Just to let you know that Dr Zshelev will be interviewed tonight
between 18.10-19.00 on Radio Free Europe.
The interview will be repeted tomorrow (Fri, 2.10.92) between
20.10-21.00 on the same station.
Let me remind you that this is local (Bulgarian) time and that
in Bulgaria they turned the clocks back an hour last weekend.
Please be aware of any changes which may occur.

Yours
Marin
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Some soccer results
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:40:15 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

Hi,

For those lazy to read rec.sport.soccer, but interested in the results for
the Bulgarian teams here is an easier option:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: European Results Sep 30
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:24:20 GMT


UEFA Cup
In Plovdiv: Botev Plovdiv (Bulgaria) 2 Fenerbahce (Turkey) 2 (halftime 2-1)
Scorers:
Botev - Bozhidar Iskrenov (5th), Yasen Petrov (41st)
Fenerbahce - Ridvan Dilmen (37th, 78th)
Attendance: 8,000
Fenerbahce won 5-3 on aggregate  


European Cup:
In Sofia: CSKA Sofia (Bulgaria) 3 Austria Vienna (Austria) 2 (1-1)
Scorers:
CSKA - Kiril Metkov (4th), Ivailo Andonov (60th), Boris Hvoinev (72nd, penalty)
Austria - Thomas Flaegel (28th), Valdas Ivanauskas (68th)
Attendance: 8,000
Austria won 5-4 on aggregate.  



Regards

Luben
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: And FK Levski-1914 is out ...
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:22:18 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


From: rec.sport.soccer 


------------
FC Luzern          1-0 Levski Sofia
 24.Camenzind 1-0
  Luzern (NLB!!) is qualified for the next round.
------------
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Eastern European results
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:16:39 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:

>Karel has posting problems at the moment, so I'm posting these for him,
>all thanks should be sent to him and not to me, I'm busy at the moment, so  
>I'm not spliting this article into sepearate ones.

>Kent

>------Over to Karel-----------

[deleted]

>Bulgaria
>Round 9
>Beroe      1-0 Haskovo
>Pirin      1-0 Spartak V
>Etar       1-1 Lok S
>Sliven     1-1 CSKA
>Botev      1-1 Lok Pl
>Slavia     2-1 Dobrudja
>Chernom.   3-2 Yantra
>Levski     2-0 Lok GO

[deleted]

Enjoy,
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1476 rec.sport.soccer:13931
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 17:21:12 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: soccer after 8 rounds

In <1992Sep30.144039.19585@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>
Karel Stokkermans writes:

>Correction Round 6:
>Chernomorets  1-2 Levski (not 0-2)
>
>Round 7
>Beroe         1-4 Loko S
>Sliven        1-1 Loko GO
>Slavia        2-2 Chernomorets
>Spartak Vn    3-0 Haskovo
>Pirin         1-0 CSKA             (!)
>Etar          2-1 Loko Pl
>Botev         4-2 Dobrudja
>Levski        5-0 Yantra
>
>Round 8
>Haskovo       0-0 Chernomorets
>Yantra        2-0 Slavia
>Dobrudja      0-4 Levski
>Loko GO       3-1 Botev
>Loko Pl       3-0 Sliven
>CSKA          1-1 Etar
>Spartak Vn    0-0 Beroe
>Loko S        4-2 Pirin
>
>--
>-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
> -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
>"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,
> die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder
>The table looks like this after round 8:

    Team                 P  W  T  L  Goals Pts.
 1. Levski               8  7  1  0  27- 9  15
 2. Loko Sf              8  5  3  0  19- 9  13
 3. CSKA                 8  4  3  1  12- 4  11
 4. Loko Pd              8  4  2  2  17- 6  10
 5. Etar                 8  4  2  2   8- 6  10
 6. Botev Pd             8  4  1  3  15-11   9
 7. Loko G.O.            8  3  3  2  12-12   9
 8. Spartak Vn           8  3  2  3  11-12   8
 9. Pirin                8  2  3  3   8- 9   7
    Chernomorets         8  2  3  3   8- 9   7
11. Slaviya              8  3  1  4   9-12   7
12. Dobrudja             8  3  1  4  10-15   7
13. Yantra               8  2  2  4   6-14   6
14. Beroe                8  0  3  5   4-13   3
15. Sliven               8  1  1  6   5-16   3
16. Haskovo              8  1  1  6   6-20   3


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in Bulgaria?
Summary: Help wanted for English-teaching job in Bulgaria.
Keywords: teach, English, Bulgaria
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:13:34 GMT

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor'r degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who is interested in teaching in Bulgaria in 1993.  I
have a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) diploma as well as
experience in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in South Africa
and, ideally, this is the kind of teaching I would like to do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to go about trying to
arrange such a job - either before I leave South Africa or when I arrive
in Europe.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Metodiy (Was Re: Michael III assessment ...)
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:56:22 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

feldstei@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ronald f. feldstein) writes in s.c.yugo:

>I would first like to correct some typos in my citation of the
>words attributed to Michael, which should read "solounene visi
>chisto slovenisky besedoujontu" (I am unable to transcribe jat' as
>anything other than e, and jers as i, u, due to the limitations
>of ASCII.  If anyone is interested in a bigger piece of the 
>Life (Zhitie) of Methodius, here it is.

>V.  This transpired in the days in which Rostislav, the Slavic prince,
>together with Sventopluk, sent a message from Moravia, to Emperor Michael,
>which said:  "We are prosperous by the grace of God, and have recently 
>had missions of Italians, Greeks, and Germans, with all of them teaching us
>in a different way.  But, we Slavs are simple people and we have nobody
>to instruct us in the Truth and give us knowledge.  So, good sovereign,
>send us a man who could instruct us in all manner of the true teaching."
>Then Emperor Michael told Constantine the Philosopher (=Cyril):  "Do you
>hear these words, Philosopher?  No one else can do this, except you.  
>Here, I'll give you all of these gifts and, then go, taking your bother,
>Father Superior Methodius, along with you, for you are Salonicans, and
>the Salonicans all speak pure Slavic."
>     At that point they dared not refuse, either before God or before the
>emperor, in the words of the apostle Paul, who said, "Fear God and esteem
>the emperor."  After hearing all about this great mission, they turned to
>prayer with others who were of a like mind.  And then God gave the Philo-
>sopher the Slavic alphabet.  And the Philosopher, quickly creating the
>letters and forming them into the speech of the Gospels, set off for 
>Moravia, taking along Methodius.

Thought it might be interesting for SCB-folks, too.

Vassil
---
Vassil Peytchev
vassil@cs.wisc.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1468 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8990
lihouba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: The Bulgarians - Slavs or not Slavs?
From: lihouba@dapsas.weizmann.ac.il (Houbaviy Christo)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:22:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

Dear Net,

While browsing through Newsweek I came across the following, interesting IMHO,
Letter to the Editor:

	'I was astonished to read in your article "Limits of Diplomacy"
	(EUROPE, Aug. 31) that two thirds of the population in Macedonia
	are ethnic Bulgarians. This is not true, and is an insult to the
	Macedonians in Macedonia and around the world. Two thirds of the
	population in Macedonia are Macedonians - not Bulgarians. WE
	MACEDONIANS BELONG TO THE GROUP OF SOUTHERN SLAVS (SLOVENES,CROATS,
	BOSNIAN MUSLIMS, SERBS) [capitalization mine] who moved to the
	Balkan Peninsula in the seventh century. Macedonians are different
	from Bulgarians by language, culture, tradition and custom. We even
	have a different church - The Macedonian Orthodox Church. The
	Bulgarians (and also the Serbs and Greeks) have been trying for
	centuries to assimilate us, but fortunately we have survived and
	will continue to survive in this Balkan madness.

					Goran Cekov
					Skopje, Macedonia'

	[Newsweek, September 28, 1992, reproduced without permission for
	reference purposes only]

First of all, to avoid any misunderstanding and potential flames, I would like
to point out that it is NOT my intention to contest in any way the validity of
the statement that the Macedonians are not Bulgarians.
However the argument presented above seems to rely in part on the assumption
that the Bulgarians are not Southern Slavs. Therefore I would like to ask our
Macedonian readers the following question:

	Does Macedonian history indeed claim that the (Modern) Bulgarians
	are not (Southern) Slavs?

Also, as far as I know, when the Ancient Bulgarians moved to the Balkan
peninsula (i.e. in the seventh century) the Slavs were already there which
somehow left me with the impression that the latter settled somewhat earlier.

Please notice that the followups are directed to s.c.b.

Regards,

Christo
--
          ==================================================
          Christo Houbaviy [lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il]
          Department of Molecular Genetics and Virology
          The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: The BALCANS - new books...
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:56:33 GMT

             A BRANDNEW VERY INTERESTING BOOK ABOUTH
                          "THE BALCANS"

Vchera i (v povtorenieto) dnes v rubrikata si "KNIGI, AVTORI,
IDEI" Zherminal CHEVIKOV ot "DEUTSCHE WELLE" se na belgiyskiya
slavist (profesor v Leuven) MOEN_DE_PER (?_?_?) i specialno na
negovata skoro (1992 v ANTWERPEN Anvers!) izdadena kniga
"BALKANITE - ot komschiyska kavga kqm mezhduetnicheska voyna".

Avtorqt govori na Bqlgarski (zhenen e za poetesata Maya
Panayotova) i izglezhda, che poznava dobre Bqlgariya i Balkanite.
Toy publikuval oshte prez 1988 godina druga kniga na sqshtata
tema: "KOMSHIYSKA KAVGA NA BALKANITE".


                     THE "MACEDONIA PROBLEM"

V poslednata si kniga toy se spira i na "MAKEDONSKIYA VqPROS" i go
sravnyava s belgiyskiya mezhduetnicheski konflikt na flamandcite i
valoncite. V nego sa zameseni estestveno sqshto i stranite-
sqsedki: XOLANDIYA, FRANCIYA i GERMANIYA. Toy sravnyava sqshto
rolyata na XOLANDIYA s tazi na BqLGARIYA, poziciyata na FRANCIYA s
tazi na GqRCIYA i polozhenieto (i samosqznanieto) na flamandcite s
tova na makedoncite...

  Spored edin ot negovite izvodi Bqlgariya bi tryabvalo da priznae
                                   _i_ nacialnostta na Makedoniya.


                           THE "POMACS"

      Avtorqt e na mnenie, che "pomacite" bili predimno moslemi ot
    bqlgari, turci ili gqrci: faktqt, che te govoreli na Bqlgarski
       nyamalo osobeno znachenie, tqy kato v tyaxnoto samosqznanie
       islyamqt igrael nay-centralnata rolya. Kato primer toy dava
       mezhduetnicheskiya problem v bivsha Yugoslaviya: xqrvatite,
    sqrbite i moslemite se razlichavali pomezhdu si predimno chrez
         veroizpovedanieto si (vqpreki vzaimno izpolzvaniya ezik).

       Druga interesna teza: Levite (komunisticheski) diktaturi se
 otnasyali (v sravnenie s desnite) mnogo po-dobre kqm etnicheskite
                                                  si malcinstva...


Knigata e izlyazla (veroyatno) na "Belgiyski" (= Xolandski ili
Frenski) v Antwerpen (Anvers), Belgiya t.g. (1992). Tqy kato za
pqrvi pqt go chuvam, imeto na avtora e samo fonetichno (i
veroyatno ne-tochno) transkribirano.

      Blagodaren sqm za eventualni korekcii i se nadyavam skoro da
                                    nauchim poveche podrobnosti...

                                                             B^agu

P.S.: ANOTHER NEW INTERESTING BOOK:
 Skoro stana duma (tozi pqt v "Svobodna Evropa") pak za Balkanite.
            Avtorqt na knigata "THE BALCANS" e HILL POLTON (GB)...
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Some soccer results
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:00:05 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Oct2.182758.24210@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun) writes:

>>European Cup:
>>In Sofia: CSKA Sofia (Bulgaria) 3 Austria Vienna (Austria) 2 (1-1)

[deleted]

>>Austria won 5-4 on aggregate.  

>What kind of stupid rule is this?  Bulgarian team is
>winning the second game at home and first game is a tie

No - it's not a tie ! CSKA lost 1:3 in Vienna.

>Wait a minute!  The agrregate is also wrong based on
>these scores.  

No - it's not.

>Bulgarian team= 3 goals at home + 1 goal at abroad (makes 2 goals)= 5

No - you 'double' the goals abroad only if the total result from both
matches is equal.

>Avustrian team=  1 goals at home +  2 goals at abroad (makes 4)= 5

no - 3 goals at home and 2 aboad.

>for Bulgarians.   I am totally confused here.  

I think a lot of Bulgarian soccer fans would like your posting. CSKA is the
second most popular team in Bulgaria, but the most successful in
international matches.

>   Or this must be a new math or an UEFA conspiracy against 
>Bulgarians!

No - it's OK. I'm afraid you were a little confused, but I hope you noticed
it :-(. BTW, Turkish soccer is rather impressive at present ... I can't
imagine 5 years ago Botev (ex-Trakia), which is one of the strongest teams
in Bulgaria, losing from a Turkish team. But the same is valid for Swiss
teams (Levski lost from a second division Swiss team :-((( ).

>Cengiz Akgun

Good luck komshu :-)

Luben



--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In Bulgaria, what's most unbelievable is most likely to happen."

					           Pencho Slaveikov
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun)
Subject: Re: Some soccer results
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 03:35:10 GMT

In article <6336@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.182758.24210@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun) writes:
>
>>>European Cup:
>>>In Sofia: CSKA Sofia (Bulgaria) 3 Austria Vienna (Austria) 2 (1-1)
                                                               ^^^^^^^

>
>[deleted]
>

What threw me off was the score in paranthesis "(1-1)."  I
thought it was the result of first leg.  Now, I realized
that it might be the score of first half.

I agree that there is a decline in Bulgarian soccer teams.
Now, they learned what a preofessionalism is.  Good
players are most probably playing in abroad.  I
know one or two are with Turkish teams.

Cengiz Akgun
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1483 soc.culture.europe:8808
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: In the time of Cyril and Methodius
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:50:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.



In article <92280.035003PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Luben Boyanov <lb@cs.man.ac.uk> writes in article <6337@m1.cs.man.
>ac.uk>:

>> In article <92276.202419PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> PXP111@psuvm.psu.
>> edu  writes:

>>> ...this issue using some excerpts of Ioannis Cameniatis...
>>> "In the middle of this flat area  there are certain mixed vil-
>>>  lages close to the town,  inhabited by the so-called  Dragou-
>>>  vites & Sagoudatoi tribes, the latter related to the Skythian
>>>  people
     ^^^^^^
>>  Maybe I missed it,  but  I'm afraid that you forgot to mention
>>  that the  Byzantine writers referred to the Bulgarians by this
>>  name.

>Yes, certain Byzantine authors did use the term in question...
>Yes you missed it!  Since I used the edition of Berlin I included
>the comments in standard latin (as the copy I had). If you hadn't
>deleted the text you would have observed it.
>I copy few parts... Here they go:

Oh, it's a pity that you can't get a point :-(. It's hard from clear for
those reading your reference that when mentioning Skythian people one can
determine directly that these were the Bulgarians in fact.



[irrelevant stuff - deleted]



Luben
From: IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Half-time results notation.
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:33:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

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Subject: Re: Some soccer results
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From:    IO11412@MAINE
To:      cza@troy.uucp
CC:      io11412@maine.maine.EDU
Date:    Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:25:18 EDT

It is the Bulgarian tradition to put the result at the half-time into parenthe-
ses. Usually it works for single games. Example:

Levski - CSKA 3:1 (2:1)

               Ivanov (24') 1:0    \
               Petrov (29') 2:0     > Half-time (2:1)
               Dimitrov (42') 2:1  /

               Penchev (73') 3:1   -> Second Half-time
(This is just an example).

What makes it confusing is when it is used to report results in two-round games
(such as the European Cup Tournaments). Let's take a look at the following:    g
The results between Levski and Liverpool are as follows (dummy example):
1:1 (0:0) in Sofia, and 1:3 (0:1) in Liverpool. Some people might write
after the second game:
a) Liverpool-Levski 3:1 (1:0) in Liverpool, whereas others can write
b) Liverpool-Levski 3:1 (1:1),
the former meaning the half-time result, and the latter- the result of the
first game.
Hope the explanation is clear.
Dragomir
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1462 soc.culture.europe:8761
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: In the time of Cyril and Methodius
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:14:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <92276.202419PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

[deleted]

>   this issue using some excerpts of Ioannis Cameniatis, who only

[deleted]

>   In the middle of this flat area there are certain mixed villa-
>   ges close to the town, inhabited by the so-called  Dragouvites
>   & Sagoudatoi tribes, the latter related to the Skythian people
						   ^^^^^^^^
Maybe I missed it, but I'm afraid that you forgot to mention that the
Byzantine writers referred to the Bulgarians by this name.

[the rest - deleted]


Regards

Luben
Xref: sparky soc.culture.netherlands:3124 nlnet.misc:3538
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands,nlnet.misc
Subject: Re: Vliegtuigramp Bijlmer
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:23:23 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.netherlands
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Oct6.134924.22275@echo.philips.nl> dolf@echo.philips.nl (Dolf Grunbauer) writes:
 > Even een niet ter zake doende detail in deze afschuwelijke ramp, maar toch:
 > 
 > Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen schrijft (en met hem vele anderen):
 > > Het vliegtuig stortte toen neer op de flats Groeneveen en Kruitberg.
 > 
 > Dat begrijp ik niet precies, want als ik op een plattegrond kijk (in
 > zowel de krant als op een misschien niet al te recente stadsplattegrond)
 > dan staat Groeneveen los van Kruitberg.

Groeneveen staat volgens mijn kaart inderdaad los van Kruitberg.  Het vliegtuig
is neergekomen tegen een hoek van Groeneveen.  Maar ik heb begrepen dat het
gedeelte van Groeneveen dat vlak bij Kruitberg lag Klein Kruitberg werg
genoemd.  Vandaar misschien de verwarring.

 >                                                            Kruitberg staat
 > weliswaar in de buurt, maar is die ook echt geraakt ?
Niet direct geraakt, maar er zijn wel branden ontstaan.
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