From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:19:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug19.182358.18680@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu
>(David A. Johns) has a conversation with
>1992Aug14.222604.6413@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
>(Michael J. Carpenter)in which Carpenter says:
>
>How about the time I told you about my co-workers who sat there
>wondering what it would be to "do" a secretary - who is Black - and
>you dismissed them a "rednecks"?  Sorry, boy, but those ass holes
>were college educated, "reasonable" white men who would talk as if
>they were Gwen's best friend, then turn around and talk of her as if
>she were some mysterious sex animal that had to be
>"experienced" to believe.  Yeah, rednecks - THAT's the difference
>between educated MF's like yourself and ass holes like them.
>
>gaby@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) responds:
>
>Wait a freaking minute.  Let me state, as a African-American woman,
>that I would be highly offended by such a pornographic AND racist
>come-on as that.  Im sure Gwen would feel the same way:  to be done
>in such a fashion that has nothing to do with courtship, seduction,
>or anything remotely connected with love or genuine attraction.  Its
>as though Gwens sexuality is some kind of freak trophy for white
>guys to become men.  Rednecks and educated white guys alike:  they
>would cut off her head to mess with her body.  They dont want to see
>that black women have eyes, or a mind.  Thats a phony standard for
>masculinity, just like brothers who think theyre not men until
>theyve had a white woman.  This mindset is straight outta the
>plantation...which is why many black women dont even want to think
>about even flirting with a white guy.  As my mother and grandmother
>indicated to me, Theyre nasty.  And Im sure Im not alone in how Ive
>been inculcated with that warning.  Many white guys think that black
>women are just casual, accessible recreation; they can just hike up
>their pants and go about their business.  Forget taking her home to
>Mom.  Hes just doing his dirt on her.  Sounds wiping a dick with a
>towel.  Thats why most black women will stick like glue to the
>brothers REGARDLESS.


Ummm... you seem to miss my sarcasm in the last line or two. You've stated
MY position very clearly. My point to Johns was that, at the time I mentioned
this situation to him, DAVID JOHNS dismissed thos MF's you're pissed of about
as "rednecks". My ENTIRE point being that Johns is so f*cked up in the head
that he says any sick comment that is made by White people couldn't *possibly*
be made by educated professionals such as the three or so MF's in the above. 
David Johns insists I'm bigoted (maybe so); but, his little hand-waving as
to "explain" why these White boys weren't really the "average", well-educated
White person is one of the first things he said that COMPLETELY turned my
opinion of his dumb ass into what it is now. He just thinks I'm bigoted against
ALL white people as a RATIONALIZATION for all the bull sh*t I continue to
hear when I'm not in "mixed" company.

>Furthermore, the word do is slang for killing as well.  Im going to
>do my old lady tonight.  Outta the mouths of babes...
>
>
>The Johns/Carpenter conversation continues with Carpenter saying:
>
>Speaking of which, I was sitting w/some people yesterday and the one
>white woman was relating a story as to how her and her son went to
>the Children's Museum the other week.  There was this Black man who
>was, by his sheer size, supposed to be able to pedal fast enough to
>create enough electricity from a generater to run a number of
>appliances.  I don't think I'll be sitting with those fuckers any
>more.  Of course, I want to make it very clear that it was just
>ignorance - no harm, no foul.  Maybe I should excuse all the times
>this bull shit happens, eh, Johns?  I can't swing a dead cat without
>running into this kind of shit.
>
>
>Jesus (the Christian Buddha).  Will this shit NEVAH end?

According to the Fables of Johns, it never really happens except among the
uneducated.

Mc
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