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From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (/\/\c /\/\ars)
Subject: Hellraiser III looks a little dodgy....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:41:43 GMT

I saw the CD soundtrack for Hellraiser III today, and my first impressions
of this new movie were that it looked a little dodgy...

If the cover picture is going to be the movie poster, then it's simply
the same pinhead from Hellraiser I, with his box but set against a city
skyline.

Also, I had a listen to the music, and they were all modern Motorhead
and Soupdragons, and KMFDM style stuff, with none of the classical 
music from the previous two Hellraisers.

Another thing; the credits list pretty much nothing to do with Barker
or any of the previous crew; the director is someone I've never heard of,
and it's simply "Based on Cliver Barker's characters". 


Even though I haven't seen the film yet, it's got that "cheap sequel"
feeling to it already! And I really hope it's not going to be like that,
because I really am looking forward to Part 3.


Just sharing what I've seen....does anyone have any differing opinions?


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From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Subject: Re: "Forever Knight"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:45:03 GMT

In article <0HWPBXZ@cc.swarthmore.edu> ahankin1@cc.swarthmore.edu (A. Luke Hankins) writes:
>
>i haven't seen this show, nor have i heard anything about it...
>
>what channel/night/time should i be watching to see this?

Tuesday's not before 11pm on CBS.  check your local listings.




The police chief is very funny.  Reminds me of Ed on "Northern Exposure."
--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)    <<Ren and Stimpy in '92!>>
Rose tints my world, keeps me safe from the trouble and pain- RHPS
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:38:47 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Anne Rice: "Tale of the Body Thief"

 Well, I stopped into the local bookstore the other week, and found out that
Anne's newest installment in the Vampire Chronicles is rearing to be released
in October. I haven't had the pleasure to hear any early reviews as of yet, but
has anyone else heard anything?

                                     -Ed

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From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts)
Subject: Re: Dracula - v1.0
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 03:31:00 GMT


	Wellpers,
		I have ACTUALLY read Bram Stokers Dracula _several_ times...
not in a few years but yes, I have read it. I believe the book does not
go into great detail as to how Harker escapes. I think it tells several
ways that did not work and then finally he finds an easy escape.

		I recall thinking that it was all most likely a delaying
tactic. Dracula still had uses for him and his death would not have been
entirely convienient at the time.

Like I said, the _latest_ time I read this was appr. 2 years ago
and I may be mistaken about a plot device or two...


--
kmr...                                      Fiction is created by writers
kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu                      Lies are concocted by liars
"I have engaged the                         Fiction is a string of lies
Theoretical Weasel!"                        I am a liar...
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Freak Show
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:14:35 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <17gm64INNa7j@agate.berkeley.edu>, davidb@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (David T. Blackston) writes:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone out there in Netland had read the
> collection of short stories entitled "Freak Show" edited
> by F. Paul Wilson.  I saw it in the stores the other day, 
> and I am trying to decide whether to get it or not.  It's
> supposedly the second book in a series of thematically
> based horror anthologies.  The first, "Under the Fang"
> edited by Robert McCammon, was a collection of stories
> dealing with a world where vampires had taken over.  I
> found it interesting, if slightly redundant in parts.
> From what I gather, this new collection is supposed to
> detail the adventures of a travelling freak show.  I have
> to admit I'm intrigued by the idea, but is it any good?
> 
> On a related note, are there any other recent anthologies 
> which were found to be worthwhile by the readers here?
> I recently read "Ghost Light" by Fritz Leiber and "The
> Howling Man" by Charles Beaumont, both of which I found to 
> be very good.  In particular, I enjoyed "Roll them Bones"
> in the first collection, and the title piece of the second
> anthology.  Are there any other memorable ones out there?
> 
> 
> 
> 				Dave Blackston
> 
> I have the heart of a small child ... I keep it in a jar on my desk.
> 
> 					Robert Bloch
I asked a similar question on anthologies awhile back and got some great 
recommendations.  I really liked "Dark Forces" edited by Kirby McCauley.  
Also, (and I'm sorry I can't remember who edited this) I picked up a  
little gem of a paperback upon one of the netters recommendations called 
"The Color of Evil."  It's got some wonderful, older stuff in it--even a 
couple of old fables.  I strongly recommend it.

Good Luck.

Andrea @ BVC
>
From: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Dunwich Horror (the movie)
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:10:05 GMT
Reply-To: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Distribution: alt.horror
Organization: Montana State University

> "Yog-Sothoth!"
>
What does this mean?  I ran across it in "Needful Things," but had never seen
it previously.  I'm new to this group, let me be stupid.
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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice: "Tale of the Body Thief"
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:17:26 GMT


Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Anne's newest installment in the Vampire Chronicles is rearing to be released
>in October.

Really? Yahoooooooooooooo!!!

<camps out in front of bookstore>

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  (Dan Dooovall)
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:19:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.5190
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BtHq3v.25s@emu.com> rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel) writes:
>You might want to try looking at Ramsey Campbell's work,
>Another writer you might try in somewhat the same vein is
>Dennis Etchison.  He has three collections ("Dark Country",
>"Red Dreams" and "The Blood Kiss") and one novel, "Darkside".
>It's all excellent, disturbing stuff. 
>Rick Kleffel 


Just an addition. Dennis Etchison also edited the "Masters
of Darkness" collections (is part three the most recent of these?).:)

			Laurel
 
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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: how to sub to VAMPYRES@GUVM for non-bitnet users:
Keywords: internet subscription to VAMPYRES@GUVM
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:28:55 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

It is too late...Alt.Vampyres has risen from the undead, and will be 
coming to the usenet near you.......

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From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:56:46 GMT
Organization: none

In article <AZATHOTH.92Aug4075611@lighthouse.caltech.edu> azathoth@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Azathoth the Mad) writes:
>In article <15kq45INNgmn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu writes:
>   Personally, I find this speculation on where the Necronomicon came
>   from a little offensive to the ear.  Even Giger himself babbles on in 
>   one of his books about how Lovecraft "had friends who were versed in
>   the occult," so he "surely had access to a copy of the original
>   Necronomicon".  I find that so ridiculous as to be completely
>   absurd, and anybody who goes around saying the Necronomicon is a real
>   book complete with references to the Mad Arab is either pulling your
>   leg or is possessed of an extremely immature mind.  Even if Lovecraft
>   were the type of character who would go poring through books of occult
>   literature, the type of sorcery and alien beings mentioned in his
>   stories has absolutely nothing to do with legitimate occult science.
>   What it had to do with, is fantastic fiction.  I don't know anybody
>   who goes around looking for spiritual enlightnment in a copy of
>   Weird Tales.
>
>   Any publisher, BTW, who publishes a book called "Necronomicon" is well
>   aware of the audience they'll be cashing into with the title.
>
>it's true.  actually, while reading a collection of hpl's letters i found
>a passage where he specifically blows to hell the whole necronomicon-as-fact
>theory.  there was somthing about the name "abdul al-hazred" or whatever
>being a character from his childhood, like children playing cowboys and 
>indians want to be billy the kid or something, hpl made up this arabic guise.
>--
>Azathoth the Mad };>
>"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
>    	and with strange eons even Death may die..."   -H.P. Lovecraft

I am so glad to see this. I am very tired of seeing trashy garbage
published as "The REAL" necronomicon. 
Al-Hazred is indeed a made up character from HPL's childhood. Lin Carter's
biography said that it was a pun on Hazard, which was the name of some 
of his relatives, or something. 
As for the "rituals" that Anton LaVey includes in his books, to summon
Lovecraftian entities, etc..., He invented them in his own mind.
BTW, if you believe the Necronomicon is real, I have a copy of 
"The Pnakotic Fragments" I want to sell you...

					--Judex--
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From: avif@maxine.wpi.edu (Avram Finkel)
Subject: Movie Id needed
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:39:23 GMT

Just tonight, I was watching _Terror in the Isles_, sort of an on-screen essay
on horror in film throughout human history(or at least since there's been 
movies).  In it, I saw a clip of a movie I think I may have seen, but I can't 
remember the name of.  It went sorta like this.

There's this guy in the shower, and he's singing a song.  Through the 
semi-translucent shower curtain, you can see a vague humanoid-figure 
approaching.  The figure then cuts through the shower curtain with a butcher
knife, and claps a plunger over the surprised-looking face of the showerer.
This "person" is wearing a large silver helmet which is shaped to look not
unlike a beak.  The skin around his eyes and mouth(or at least what we can see
of it) is painted black, the rest of his skin is plae white.  His teeth seem to
be made of stainless stell, or some other shiny metal.  He begins to talk in a 
strange, computer-echo'ed voice, and says "You don't EVER sing that music 
again!" 2 or 3 times, and then he says "Do you understand?".  The showerer says
"Yes" after the plunger is removed.

That's all of the clip that I saw, and I can't remember anything else about the
movie, except that I've seen it before, I think.  Any help would be appreciated
by E-mail or posting, whatever...

Thanks in advance,
Avi F.

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From: Adrian Darqstar <adrian@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 20:43:49 PDT

moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:

> Could we get some feedback on how many of you might be interested in a 
> newsgoup entitled Alt.Vampyres??
> Basically dedicated to the vast and timeless world of 
> Vampyres,literature,folklore,movie reviews,amatuer 
> writings,personals(?),organizations,and anything else having to do with 
> the subject of Vampyres..
> 
> This way,if that is a major interest/obsession, you would not have to 
> wade through endless other horror subjects,or feel odd about posting your 
> own obsession...
> Join the night...be one of us..embrace the darkness...
> 
You've got *my* vote, intrepid pilgrim....

-- Dean, aka Adrian

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From: aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar)
Subject: Re: THE UNNAMABLE movie
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:39:26 GMT


I thought the special effects in _The Unamable_ were fairly decent.
Some of my favorite scenes in the film are that in which the "Unamable"
<and not to be overly violent and utterly twisted ehehhehe> violent slams
the one mans head on the floor until he dies. Also, a memorable clip, was
when the group of teens spots the unamable, for I think the first time, while
holding the body of someone, and lets the body tilt foward, as the contents
of the victim's head pour onto the floor. <ewwwwwww> I thought the f/x on
the creature itself could have been better, and not to sound sexist here,
I think it would have been a better choice if the movie makers would have
made the monster male, and more of a towering and broad creature. It kinda
took from the movie, and the whole outlook of the monster, when they showed
'it' was a 'she'. Only my opinion though...Other then that, I thought the
movie was generally ok, and GREAT for watchin on a stormy night with a bunch
of freinds. There were some really suspensful parts, that kinda JUMPED out
at ya...

...Dp...
-- 
I hate punks who play 9-Ball....
      
                         -- Eddie Felson, The Color Of Money
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From: ahankin1@cc.swarthmore.edu (A. Luke Hankins)
Subject: Re: "Forever Knight"
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:19:54 GMT


i haven't seen this show, nor have i heard anything about it...

what channel/night/time should i be watching to see this?

tnx
-- 
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From: byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller)
Subject: Nightbreed (was Re: Looking for Hellraiser info)
Organization: SKaters At Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.170019.7438@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>
>Any other fans of "Night Breed" out there? I thought it was absolutely
>amazing! and very close to the book, "Cabal". David Cronenberg is 
>great as the psychiatrist!
>
>					--Judex--

	I thought it absolutely SUCKED and was NOTHING LIKE Cabal.
Everything that was good about Cabal was utterly lacking in
Nightbreed.  I'm a huge fan of Barker's and of the Hellraiser series
too, but I thought the only good things about Nightbreed were
Cronenberg (making the most of a watered-down character-- I mean
really, compare the good doctor to his Cabal counterpart-- no
question) and some decent special effects.  Nightbreed felt made and
marketed for bright happy thirteen-year-olds who want to see (eek!) a
HORROR FILM!!!!  Didja notice that there were no real characters, only
2-d cardboard cutouts?  The movie was an attempt to rush through the
telling of a good and reasonably complex story in an hour an a half,
clean it up for little kids to pull in the money, and open it up for a
sequel to pull in yet MORE money.  I'm at work and don't have time to
go into huge detail, but one example: In Cabal, the priest Ashberry is
a monstrous human who is less monstrous than the other monstrous
humans.  Though he is a sympathetic character, Barker made him
``monstrous'' (the whole story deals with what is a monster) by making
him a priest who wear women's underwear.  This is utterly homogenized
and dull-ified in Nightbreed by taking out any reference to (gasp)
unusual sexual practices and making him an alcoholic (horror of
horrors).

	My suggestion: Read the novella, avoid the movie.  I felt
cheated for the $3 rental fee.  Hell, I would've felt cheated of my
time for seeing it for free.

			--Halloween Jack.
From: quark@asylum.UUCP (etaoin shrdlu)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Barker and sex
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:35:22 GMT
Distribution: usa

donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:

>And Barker is hardly the only writer to draw parallels between Sex and Violence.
>Ever read De Sade? They are linked by the Powertrips that can be inherent
>in both, and as manipulative forces, in the works of many others.

Barker's claimed to be a big fan of George Batille's writing on Erotism,
the study of the link between sex and death.  Batille (I'm not sure if I'm
spelling his name correctly here, the books are at home) does a lot of
comparisons of various things with De Sade. 

>					--Judex--


-- 
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(like disco, or eight-track car cassettes, or sofa dancing). It's my job to
prevent such stuff from happening." --Ron Post, Vigilante Rocker
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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: The dark half
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<Bt8opB.Iss@acsu.buffalo.edu> <6875@stan.xx.swin.oz.au>
	<1992Aug28.170121.1638@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:15:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.170121.1638@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:


   Don Pendleton? Hmmm. Sounds like the guy who wrote a ton of those 
   Executioner/Penetrator/Death Merchant/Butcher etc... pulp novels that infest
   Convenience stores and Airports. Can't remember which one he wrote 
   <Perhaps The Executioner?>, but the name was a psuedonym then, too.

Right -- he was author of the ``The Executioner'' series.  I was under
the impression that originally he was really the author, and it was
his real name; later he hired the writing out.  Haven't read any of
those in a long time....

-Joe.

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From: yousten@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Ken Yousten)
Subject: Re: BRIAN LUMLEY
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:17:19 GMT

jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob) writes:
>	I just finished 'The Burrowers Beneath' and wasn't all
>	that impressed.  It is the first book (of 2?) with Titus
> ...
>	If you're a *big* Lovecraft fan, I'm sure you'll want
>	to have TBB as part of your collection, but it isn't
>	worth wasting too much time or money on.

Just to throw in my bit, I am a fairly big Lovecraft fan, I thought TBB
was horrible, and I wouldn't want it near my collection.  A purely personal
observation:

I am not a particular fan of the human race, more often than not in "horror"
movies or books, I end up cheering for the "bad guys".  They're usually far
more interesting characters, the fact that they are homicidal maniacs or
whatever is secondary.  Lovecraft, however, usually does succeed in getting
my basic emotions in play, on the human's side.  TBB managed to reverse the
usual roles though, the cthonians were poor big guys just minding their own
business and protecting their eggs;  the humans were the evil Lovecraftian
monster hunting them down to commit genocide.  This is how I saw it 
emotionally, and I didn't like it.
--
Ken Yousten   (Currently living in Urbana, IL)   yousten@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
        "The narrator flees inland, taking his adjectives with him..."
          -L. Sprague de Camp, summarizing HPL's "The Crawling Chaos"
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: The MD
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:39:13 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

     Has anyone out there read _The_MD_ by Thomas Disch?  I know he's
a good writer from his appearances in Fantasy & Science Fiction, but I
also know a short story and a novel are two different things.  Can
anyone give me a no-spoiler review?
-- 
Patrick S. Clark    | "Got to pay your dues
Song by Ringo Starr |  If you want to sing the blues
Usual disclaimer    |  And you know it don't come easy."
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: "Forever Knight"
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:43:53 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Forever Knight is frequently brilliant enough to hold my attention for an 
hour, though I am sick of the slut/prostitute/nightclub girl stereotype 
of female vampyres and goths..The stripclub psychopath female was really 
low..

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From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Re: Der Vampyr
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  3 Sep 92 04:18:41 GMT

evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura) writes:
>Good Evening!
>Has anyone read Paul Barber's *Vampires, Burial, and Death: Folklore 
>and Reality*? At times Barber gets very graphic and explicit, so the 
>book is not for the weak of stomach. The book goes about explaining 
Yes, I recently read it. Good book....

                 ........posted for Beverly H.


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From: vampire@wam.umd.edu (Jack Dracula)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Vampire disease
Summary: Bite me, it's fun!
Keywords: vampires, vampires, vampires and vampires
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:52:02 GMT
Organization: The Mad Misties Of Maryland
Originator: vampire@rac2.wam.umd.edu

Owen: The "vampire disease" you are referring to is, I believe, 
porphyria. I remember reading an article in _Twillight Zone Magazine_
I guess about 5 years ago. Remember it also said something about
people who persisted in going into the sun would grow hair on their
bodies to make up for extra sun protection. Remember it seeming like
a pretty silly idea back then, but sounds like a werewolf legend also.
Anyways, stranger things have happenned, like the Salem Witch Trials
(good article in this week's _Newsweek_, btw...)
					Jack Dracula
					vampire@wam.umd.edu
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From: AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Re: <<*NEW HORROR*>>
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:59:07 GMT

>
>        The novel is written around these short stories which the girl
>finds and reads... but the whole short story is shown when is says that
>she is reading it....
>
>
>does this elp any?

Yes!  Thanks.

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