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From: civir1070@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (FURRY R)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for new AB20 equivalents
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Alphabetical (Except on Tuesdays)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:48:00 GMT

In article <2169@forty2.physik.unizh.ch>, umueller@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Urb writes...
>So here comes my proposal:
>1. There's not ONE /incoming/amiga site, but 3-4, one of them being
>   amiga.physik

I dunno.  I think it would be better to have 1 incoming site, and 3-4 archives.
Just an opinion of course.

>2. The /incoming/amiga sites exchange the new files about twice a
>   day, I can write the scripts and programs necessary for that.

Sounds reasonable.

>3. If enough people contribute for a new HD, amiga.physik will keep
>   all old files. Even if not, amiga.physik won't fill up like ab20;
>   I've got some auto-delete scripts which delete the oldest and 
>   least-downloaded files.
>4. A simple standard format for .readme files is established, similar
>   to that of mails. Keywords:
>   Short:    -> short description
>   Type:     -> type of file (e.g. util) = directory where to put it
>   Files:    -> files that belong to this .readme if more than one
>   Author:   -> author of program, might be auto-notified on upload
>   The .readme-body would be the long description. If people stick to
>   this format, ftp admins have a lot less work. Other fields might
>   be defined later.

This format sounds great.  Amiga.physic is a very nice setup, and makes
determining what to ftp mich easier.  It saves net time not only be reducing
the number of "ls" commands that must happen, but also by reducing the number
of files that are gotten, and then deleted because they weren't what was needed.

> 
>Now all depends on you, ftp admins. amiga.physik can't take the whole
>burden, but if there are other sites to share it, all would be fine.
>So who's ftp admin and is prepared to set up his site similar to
>amiga.physik? We need at least one in America and another in Germany;
>Australia and Scandinavia would be nice, too. The more the better.
> 
>And how about you, users? There are various types of file lists and
>ftp site organizations, which one do you like best? That one will
>be adapted for all /incoming/amiga sites.
> 
> -U. Dominik Mueller  (ftp admin of amiga.physik.unizh.ch)
> 
> 
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-CIVIR1070@ucsvax.sdsu.edu-"The taste of metal was foul on his tongue.- 
=   a.k.a. Scott Ellis    = It was a relief to pull the trigger."     =
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=        Amiga: An exceptional idea in a common practice              =
From: GELSON@VORTEX.UFRGS.BR (Gelson Dias Santos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: URGENT HELP! Dealer adresses in Eagan.
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:43:00 GMT


   American guys, please help!

   I just found there is a friend of mine in Eagan, Minnesota. He is taking a
course at Cray. I have his eletronic e-mail address, and want to ask him to buy
a 2.0 kit for me. He's not an Amiga user, so I'm going to send him detailed
instructions about what is the 2.0 upgrade kit. To be sure he will find it, I
need some amiga dealers addresses.Can anyone at Eagan point me where can he find
it? He'll go back to Brazil on Saturday 16/05, so I need help fast! Even if you
are not at Eagan, but have an AC Guide in hand, could you send me some
addresses? Thanks a lot.

    PS: Answer by email, please. I can't read this newsgroup.

* Gelson Dias Santos  *  Internet: Gelson@vortex.ufrgs.br           *
* Porto Alegre - RS   *  Sorry, english is not my native language!  *
*       BRAZIL        *           (Alguem fala portugues?)          *
*********************************************************************
*  Should be working on my taxes but this is more fun... Fred Fish  *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cython@ais.org (Tim Devlin)
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 07:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.121925.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9228224@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (McLeod) writes:
>
>  Has anyone ever noticed how Amiganites seem to think that Amigas' are
>the best computers around, despite the fact that no self-respecting business
>would go near them? I mean, lets face it, Amiga's are nothing compared with
>MS-DOS machines. And, they never will be. Oh sure, they have such pretty 
>graphics, but that doesn't mean zip when it comes down to how good they are 
>to use, now does it?! So come on all you egotistical Amiga users. Get your
>heads out of the sand and face facts. Amigas' are nothing, they never will be
> and haven't a chance in hell at ever being any better then MS-DOS machines.
>  
>     Face facts, guys.
>         MR B.
>
>
>
You know something Mr. McLeod, you give a bad name to MS-DOS users!

Not only is your above statment stupid, but it shows that you are an
insecure person who more then likely has NEVER used an Amiga for more then 5
minutes at a time.  Have you ever seen a Viedo Toaster Equepted Amiga being
used by VERY professional people who would NOT even consider an MS-DOS
computer for the kind of work they have to do?  Prehaps in your closed
little world, MS-DOS brain-dead computers are all you know of, but thank god
for the rest of the world.  You sir should play the game Lemmings, as thats
what you are..a Lemming!

Have a nice day, and have fun trying to figure out how you should alter your
config.sys file to use that new game you just bought and tried to run under
Windows. :)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cary@acuson.com (Cary Farrier)
Subject: Sun->AmigaDOS File Xfer
Summary: Need to copy to AmigaDOS disks from Sun Sparcstation
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:32:21 GMT

Does anyone know of a utility that will allow me to copy files onto AmigaDOS disks
from a Sun Sparcstation 1+?  The Sun uses the high density (1.44Mb) floppy disks,
so will it be able to even read/write the AmigaDOS 880k disks in the first place?

-- Cary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ftrapano@galaxy.afit.af.mil (Frank Trapanotto)
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 20:06:56 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

c9228224@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (McLeod) writes:


>  Has anyone ever noticed how Amiganites seem to think that Amigas' are
>the best computers around, despite the fact that no self-respecting business
>would go near them? I mean, lets face it, Amiga's are nothing compared with
>MS-DOS machines. And, they never will be. Oh sure, they have such pretty 
>graphics, but that doesn't mean zip when it comes down to how good they are 
>to use, now does it?! So come on all you egotistical Amiga users. Get your
>heads out of the sand and face facts. Amigas' are nothing, they never will be
> and haven't a chance in hell at ever being any better then MS-DOS machines.
>  
>     Face facts, guys.
>         MR B.


You must suffer a severe case of cranial rectitus to think that the IBM is the
end all be all of computers.  Sure, IBMs have their place, but so do Amigas. 
Have you ever touched an Amiga?  I guess not.  I work with Amigas at the work
place as well as at home.  The Amigas at work are wired into our video studio
(yes they also have toasters in them).  They produce some of the best video
productions (with digital effects, etc.) that the Air Force has ever seen.  At
home I use the Amiga for anything from databases to spreadsheets (a lot of
these programs would probably put their IBM equivalents to shame, but hey --
you've never tried using an Amiga or these programs so how would you know?). 
I'm heavily into the DTP area.  I use PageStream v2.2, and it's safe to say, I
don't believe that the Pagemaker or Ventura Publisher can come close to it in 
ease of use or output quality.  The Mac is the only computer to excel in this
area due to it being designed for desktop publishing (it does very well in
many other areas as well).  Oh, by the way, the IBM version of the NewTek
toaster is......guess what......an Amiga 2000.  Gee, it takes an Amiga to help
an IBM use a video toaster.  Guess that must say something, but again, due to
lack of intellegence and vision, you probably think that the IBM is still the
ultimate computer and that nothing can touch it (we don't think so...).
The next time you decide to come on an Amiga newsgroup and start flaming, I
hope (as well as everyone else here) that you 1. know what you're talking about
(it's obvious you don't) and 2. Work with an Amiga for a while....you might
even like it.  Oh yeah, by the way flame on your own newsgroup.......or have
something useful to contribute to ours.

					The Trapster
					((stikes back))
From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Trenton Festival THIS WEEKEND!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:09:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The Trenton Computer Festival 1992 will be held at Mercer College on
Saturday, April 11 (9-6) and Sunday, April 12 (10-4). 

This year's festival features:
	- The world's largest outdoor personal computer FLEA MARKET
	- Over 170 National Vendor and Commercial Booths, featuring AST,
          Adobe, Aldus, Borland, Microsoft, Lotus, Corel, Micrografx,
	  Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, WordPerfect, Intel, Symantec, 
	  Software Publishing, and local vendors.
	- More than 125 FREE Seminars, Forums and Talks on all aspects of
	  computing.
	- Thousands of dollars worth of door prizes, including an AST 386SX
	  notebook computer, an HP color printer and an HP color scanner.
	- Saturday evening banquet features keynote speaker, Paul Grayson,
	  CEO of Micrografx. Tickets are $20 each.
	- Admission:
		General: $7 for both days; $5 for Sunday only
		Students and Seniors: $3 for both days
		Preschoolers accompanied by adult: FREE
		Other Children Under 12 accompanied by adult: $3 for both days,
			FREE on Sunday only

Files with all kinds of good information are available for anonymous
ftp from pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) in pub/TCF/tcf.  They include:

	what.is.TCF - history and description of TCF
	gen.info - general info about TCF, directions, parking, etc.

Pete Holsberg
TCF 92 Steering Committee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!...WRONG!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:37:22 GMT

c9228224@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (McLeod) writes:
>Oh sure, they have such pretty 
>graphics, but that doesn't mean zip when it comes down to how good they are 
>to use, now does it?!

That depends on what you are using the computer for.  Obviously, the Amiga
means quite a bit to Mr. McLeod.  Not only does he read an Amiga news group,
he also posts in one.  He seems to believe that the Amiga and the Intel
PCs are mutually exclusive; i.e., you either own one or the other.  I, for
one, deny this.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn)
Subject: Re: A600 specs
Reply-To: gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.175436.24588@ra.msstate.edu>  
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.153431.25384@cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn) writes:
> >I was referring to the wimpy power supplies on the 500 and the 64.   
Sounds  
> >to me like the 600 will be another one of those machines that Commodore  
> >assumes will remain bare bones, and therefore provide a wimpy power  
> >supply.
> 
> So don't buy a 600 if you want to expand.  There is such a thing as  
market
> positioning and low end machines are typically harder to expand.

[lots of flaming deleted]

Whoa there.  I was simply asking!!  I don't want to buy one, I just wanted  
to know....

Brian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, the TRUE legal scoop and distibuting music samples
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 12:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.040500.3575@regina.cs.uregina.ca> plummer@hercules.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer) writes:
>In article <1210@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rvmst1@gl.pitt.edu (Rainer V Mager) writes:
>>OK,
>>	Does anyone know for sure whether I can distribute my Genesis
>>Demo?  PLEASE, only if you KNOW for sure (if you a lawyer maybe), not
>>"well, my friend who's dad's sister in law said that you can only
>>distribute it if you personally talk to Phil Collins."... after I get
>>the response to this I will act accordingly and tell you all what's
>>being done.
>
>I was working on a commercial game a few years ago and we had digitized
>(when it was neat trick noone had tried) music excerpts from stuff like
>Beach Boys songs and Old Spice ads.  Even though there is some technicality
>like you can use a clip under X seconds (6?) our lawyer advised us to remove
>them, just to be safe.  
>
>Personally, if you read the copyright notice on the CD, I don't think there's
>any doubt it is technically illegal.  Whether or not the copyright owners would
>take offence and sue is another matter entirely.

   There was a recent case, where Federal Judge Kevin Duffy ruled
   against a rap group for sampling.  I forgot the rap group's
   name, but apparently they sampled off some old '70's album.
   This was in NewsWeek a few months ago.

   I only remember the case because I know Judge Duffy.  I'll
   ask him for details when I see him (which may not be soon,
   so don't hold your breath).  I suppose one could look up
   the case if so inclined as it must be written down in
   some lawyerly case book (not me, I'm not a lawyer).

-- 
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Clare Chu, Ph.D.             Data & Information Services
NYNEX Science & Technology   clare@nynexst.com
White Plains, NY 10462       AMIGA RULES!!!
From: robert@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Robert Lindsay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: .info Magazine has "suspended operations"
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:42:01 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

In article <1992Apr12.210728.16241@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <57306@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>From what I know of the situation, they need an infusion of cash, yes.
>>But a few dozen or perhaps a few hundred new subscribers or renewers
>>is gonna fall way short. What they *really* need is an H. Ross Perot
>>(or a work-a-like) to buy them, and then stay the hell away from the
>>editorial offices... but that's a pipedream, of course.
>
" usual batch of MB wining deleted"
>>
>>Harv
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>      <Insert your favorite one-liner here>


Dammit Mark don't you EVER GET TIRED OF WHINING? Sell your amiga and be done
with it! Shut up. Go away. Get a life, a clue, a job, something. I mean I've
been reading the same goddam post from you every week for three years now.
Do you have any clue that at some point soon your going to graduate into
a recessionary job market? Have you considered the number of tech types who
read this? I don't care if you have a 4.0 and recs out the butt *I* sure as 
hell wouldn't hire you based on your incessant whining here and in advocay.
Don't you have any idea that if your stupid you should just shut up and listen,
you might learn something. I wish you luck, man. Your gonna need it. You might
try grad school. You might try to grow up.

robert lindsay
robert@alliant.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sah@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Subject: Re: Does opening your A3000 void your warranty?
Keywords: voiding warranty
Reply-To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:58:04 GMT


To quote the A3000 manual:

*  Do not attempt to service your Amiga yourself.  If your Amiga needs
service, take it to an authorized Amiga Service Center.  Attempting to
service the computer on your own will void the warranty on your Amiga.
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The story on AB20  -TRUE-
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:44:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr8.144444.5873


	I am a newcomer to usenet, and I just read articles where they will be
shutting down AB20 which I hear from my brother has oodles of Amiga stuff.
	My question is, how do I ftp what I need/and or what I want off of AB20
with VLT hooked up to the LAN which just happens to be VAX VMS 5 I think.
	Any help you can give me quickly will be deeply appreciated.  It's a 
shame that no other Amiga-based network has offered to post the AB20 stuff.
	Oh well.  You see my dillemma.  Fellow Amiga users, please help me out.

			:-)Kyle
From: Ron_M_Harper@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ExaByte on a A2000 ????
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:19:17 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


We have successfully used the Exabyte with the BTN handler. The combination
is outstanding, largely because of the wonderful aspects of BTN. Transfer
is fast (better than 250k/sec) huge storage (2 gig) and inexpensive tape.
Used on both 2000's and 3000's. This is the 8200 model; cant vouch for the
8500 unit.
Hope this helps
Ron.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer)
Subject: 2.04 Setfont
Originator: plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.ca
Reply-To: plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:35:50 GMT

These are probably FAQs, but since somp.sys.amiga.introduction doesn't get
updated much...

When I use setfont from within a csh shell under 2.04, the font change
doesn't take effect unless I issue a _second_ setfont with no parameters.
Then it works fine.  Is there a reason and a solution for this?

Eg:

setfont topaz 11
[no change]
setfont
required parameter missing
[screen clears and font change takes effect]

Perplexing!

While I'm at it, does anyone know how to get the close gadget to shut down
a csh shell without using two clicks?

- Dave
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:44:23 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

Don't confuse the ugliness of WB 1.3 with the workings underneath.  Compare
Workbench and Finder like this:  Workbench is like buying VW Bug and shoving
into it a 460 cu. in. engine(For you Metric folks, thats 7.7 litres), Finder
is like a Rolls Royce with a Briggs and Stratton.  
 
John
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: .info Magazine has "suspended operations"
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:48:05 GMT
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <1992Apr12.173429.6140@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <caw.08fp@miroc.Chi.IL.US> caw@miroc.Chi.IL.US (Christopher A. Wichura) writes:
>> Probably because 1) the magazine looks kludged together and is
>> perceived as a gamer's mag
>
>It is?
>
>Amiga World does a lot more game reviews, and has a lot fewer solid articles.
>-- 
>Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
> `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
>  'U`  


  Amiga Format seems to have the first half devoted to games, and from
  the looks of it, it hasn't suffered.  What I really like about Amiga
  Format is that they included the entire uncut version of Virtual
  Reality Labs, Vista 1.2 on their cover disk.  Starting this issue,
  they are going to include a useful program in addition to a games
  disk (which I didn't take a second look at).  Now I'm looking forward
  at least to check out each issue when it hits my dealer's shelf.
  It's imported from England and I wouldn't buy it just for their
  articles.  But at 3.95 pounds with markup to $12.00 if it includes
  a real program, it is worth it.  Only thing is that they have
  made arrangements with some British dealer to get the manual
  for $5 pounds, but I don't think it'll work out for me since
  I'm in America.  Should I contact Virtual Reality Labs?  

  BTW, the British magazines are more colorful, cartoonish, with
  less serious articles than .info.  .info always had good, honest
  reviews and they don't mince words.  It didn't look like one
  big commercial, unlike other magazines that are 90% ads, with
  articles that are all cheerleaders for whatever was reviewed.
  I do feel that they are a little over-enthusiastic about the games,
  in that they said that Leander was so great, and I played the
  demo and wasn't impressed.  I like the Turrican's much more.
  But I do like their reviews or hardware and software.



-- 
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Clare Chu, Ph.D.             Data & Information Services
NYNEX Science & Technology   clare@nynexst.com
White Plains, NY 10462       AMIGA RULES!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mrubino@engws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: The secret to FinalCopy's fast scaling.
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:02:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.024812.17063@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>Well, evidentally, Softwood's FinalCopy doesn't use Compugraphic fonts.  Nor
>does it use Adobe type I or III fonts.  They invented their own scalable 
>format, which is called "Nimbus Q."  This is all the info I have on it, but 
>I heard that Nimbus Q type scalables might be released for DOS usage, instead
>of limiting their use to only FinalCopy.

Actually Softwood licensed the outline font technology from The Company.
Just like the Speller, Thesaurus, and Hyphenation were licensed from Merriam
Webster Inc.  Check out the About menu.

- Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt Crowd)
Subject: C= has fallen behind, was Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:15:18 GMT

>What is it that you want to do on your Amiga that you can't do??

Have a respected reputation.

>I get sooo tired of people bitching that "Oh no!! the amiga does nothave the
>latest greatest version of Word Perfect, it MUST be dieing!!"  Give me a
>break!  There are SEVERAL word processors out for the Amiga that will do
>ANYTHING I ever need a word processor to do, and then some.  Do you want to

They may do what YOU want, but take a serious user.......

>do DTP??  Propage and Pagestream are two of the best DTP packages avaible
>for any platform. 

Then why aren't they known?

>Dbase iv pro is an awsome data-base.

Oracle on the Amiga? I think not......

>Dynacadd blows away
>ALOT of MS-DOS Cad-Cam packages,

Yeah sure.

> Dpaint IV, Digi-paint etc. are VERY good
>full featured drawing programs. 

Agreed.

>, and games?? sure you can get just about what 5,000 games for the

Here's the Amiga's strongpoint, and it needs to change.

>The bottem line is, if the computer you bought does not do what you need it
>to do, then why on earth did you buy it?

Because back in 85 it was ground breaking.

>You must not have done much clear
>thinking when you bought that Amiga did you?  

How were we to know the company would take  a nap for 10 years.......

>As far as the Amiga not running being in big business, it is!  I know that
>GM uses the Amiga in Lansing MI. at the B.O.C. plants to do some cadd and

yeah, yeah, yeah, even the Amiga Magazines have to quote "Who's using the 
Amiga" to reassure themselves they havn't bought a lemon.....

>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=_=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
>>Mark Skaff   //   Fidonet: 1:243/44.5
>>Ottawa, Ont.//    Only Amiga Makes It Possible.
>>=-=-=-=-=\\//=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

matt.