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From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Subject: Re: H? R? Giger
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:03:09 GMT

ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.misc: 27-Aug-92 Bookstore info wanted
>Hemmo Papinoja@tnclus.te (585)

>>    I'm interesting in H.R.Giger's art works 

>Speaking of which, does anybody know what the "H.R." stands for? We
>looked through his collection entitled _Necronomicon_ , which has a
>large autobiographical section, but it doesn't have his first or middle
>names anywhere -- even in the copyright section, introduction, or cover
>blurb. Apparently he's trying to keep them hidden. Anybody have a clue?

It's Hans Ruedi.

>(Why do I want to know? Well, we're trying to find a name for our pet
>Facehugger.... :-)

>--Z

>"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: dgg@world.std.com (David G Grubbs)
Subject: Re: HELP! I'm artless!
Summary: Clueless too.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:29:35 GMT

It would be beneficial to read the regular postings in news.announce.newusers,
especially "Emily Postnews".

ASCII art in a signature is the sure sign of a bozo.  Adding such a thing to a
.signature file requires you to go and buy a red rubber nose so you can
squeeze the wheeze along with all your brethren.  Inflatable shoes are
optional.
-- 
David G. Grubbs	(dgg@world.std.com)		Engines of Absurdity, Inc.
If a person offends you and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional
or not, do not resort to extreme measures.  Simply watch your chance and hit
him with a brick.  -- Mark Twain ("Advice to Youth" Speech, 1882)
From: daniel.moran@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Daniel Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Starving Children
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: daniel.moran@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Daniel Moran)
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

system@kryton.UUCP (Scott Beckstead) writes:

SB>Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.  If he's constantly waiting for
SB>a handout he has no time to go out and gewt his own food.  The handout has
SB>to be tempered with a hand up.  (anti-liberal that I am I prefer letting
SB>the hand up be enough and wait for nature to sort out the bloody details)

Well, there may be no justice in the world, but sometimes there is
irony. With any luck you'll have the opportunity to be on the receiving
end of one of nature's bloody details some day. Have a nice day. :)
From: jackc@vermont.mips.com (Jack Choquette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Future Civilization Advances
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:26:25 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.mips.com


I've been playing the computer game called "Civilization", a great
game.  Part of the play is that you go through human history and
achieve various civilization advances, some of which are dependent on
previous advances.  For example, the civilization advance of Trade
requires the advances of currency and code of laws.  Each advance
allows you to do something.  For example, navigation allows you to
build sailing ships to sail the seas to explore the world and
transport items for trade or war.

This sparked an interest for me to do research in what science
fiction believes future civilization advances will be.  I'm interested
in finding out what people in this newsgroup feel will be the major
civilization advances in the near and far future.  What will be the
implications of this advance, and what will this advance require
before it can be developed.  Below are some possible categories and
some examples from history.  Feel free to go outside these categories.
	transportation:  sailing, railroads, flight
	weapons:  gunpowder, nuclear
	government:  Monarchy, Democracy, Communism
	religion/philosophy/education
	trade:  currency, trade caravans and routes  
	new sciences:  chemistry, physics.
	discoveries: electricity, magnetism

Either email me or post to this newsgroup.  I will post a summary of
replies if people are interested.  I would like to know of any books
or magazine articles where I could find such information.  Any
references to sf novels or short stories would also be very helpful.

Thanks for your help!

/jack
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Old Sci-fi Koontz novels WANTED!
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:46:22 GMT

	If anyone knows how I can obtain copies of some Dean Koontz sci-fi
novels from the early seventies, please write me!
	
		Any help would be greatly appreciated!
			-Casey Hopkins

hopkins@agora.uucp
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A brief essay on omniscience and free will
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:43:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

djdaneh@pbhyc (Dan'l DanehyOakes):
>Omniscience does not logically exclude free will...

I *knew* you were going to say that!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Schrodingers Cat Author
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:18:26 GMT

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

|In article <1992Aug25.094114.27554@tplrd.tpl.oz.au>, grantmc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Grant McAuliffe) writes:
|> I am re-reading `Schrodingers Cat - The Universe Next Door' at present
|> and am still wondering who Robert Anton Wilson, the author, is in 
|> real life.

|What makes you think he isn't Robert Anton Wilson?
|There are two sequels/alternates:
|	The Trick Top Hat
|	The Homing Pigeons

|They may be hard to find on their own, but the three are available as a big
|trade paperback.

Puh-leez. The "big trade paperback" is an abortion, as it omits
probably 50% of the text. The _Schrodingers Cat Trilogy_ is almost
as long as _Illuminatus!_. I pity recent fans who buy the trade
paperback, especially as the complete text is long out of print.
Please write the publisher and complain. I did. Hundreds of jokes
are forever gone...

	-Mike


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From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: H? R? Giger
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:11:11 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.misc: 27-Aug-92 Bookstore info wanted
Hemmo Papinoja@tnclus.te (585)

>    I'm interesting in H.R.Giger's art works 

Speaking of which, does anybody know what the "H.R." stands for? We
looked through his collection entitled _Necronomicon_ , which has a
large autobiographical section, but it doesn't have his first or middle
names anywhere -- even in the copyright section, introduction, or cover
blurb. Apparently he's trying to keep them hidden. Anybody have a clue?

(Why do I want to know? Well, we're trying to find a name for our pet
Facehugger.... :-)

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf.written
From: dstein@europa.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Karel Capek (was Re: 'Science Fiction' Stage Plays)
Reply-To: dstein@europa.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 09:26:56 GMT

In article <177fohINN5ih@agate.berkeley.edu>,
pete@plutonium.CChem.Berkeley.EDU (Pete Goodeve) writes:
 
|> Ah, how soon are they forgotten...
|> 
|> Yes the word `Robot' was indeed coined by the Czech author Karel Capek
|> in his play `R.U.R.'  ("Rossum's Uoiversal Robots") sometime in the '20s).
|> (Though they were more what we would now consider as androids than robots.)
|> 
|> It's very sad that this guy is almost totally forgotten by modern
|> readers, because although R.U.R. is a play, he wrote a number of
|> interesting SF novels before many other people were into that activity...
|> 
|> Everything of his is now totally out of print, as far as I can tell,
|> but our school library (Hi, any Old Gowers out there... (:-)) had
|> a good collection.  There was "War with the Newts" -- I remember the
|> title but not much else, so maybe it doesn't deserve much remembrance,
|> but one that intrigued me much more was "The Absolute at Large".
|> 
|> This one might even have some relevance to the ongoing discussions re
|> religious beliefs or lack of them in this newsgroup.  He took as basis
|> an apparent suggestion of the time that `God' might be embodied equally
|> in every material object, then pondered what owuld happen when atomic
|> energy began to be used as a cheap and plentiful power source (again,
|> '20s or '30s, remember!).  What happens if god is in matter, and matter
|> is disintegrated?  Riigght...

   "The Absolute at Large" was written for a Prague newspaper in 
   (I think) weekly installments.  Somewhere in the middle of the 
   book Capek got behind schedule and had to hurry up--which,
   in my opinion, is unfortunately noticable.

   "War with the Newts" is, on the other hand, a true SF classic.
   A very funny satire which doesn't loose bite with time.
 
   Another interesting sf novel by Capek is _Krakatit_, a thriller
   about the invetion of a powder-like substance that explodes when
   triggered by radio waves of certain frequency.
   
 - David

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: Zed <zed@silver.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Schrodingers Cat Author
Reply-To: zed@silver.lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Liars for Truth
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:02:23 GMT

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>[Schroedinger's Cat]
>They will be extremely hard to find on their own, but I've been told
>(forget by whom) that the trade paperback was somewhat edited.  It
>may well be worth the search (I plan on yanking them if I ever see them)

When I mentioned a scene from _SC II: The Trick Top Hat_ that a friend
of mine who'd read the _Schroedinger's Cat Trilogy_ omnibus didn't
recognize, we compared section titles, and the omnibus indeed seems
conspicuously abridged. Good luck finding the individual paperbacks...
the only ones I've ever seen are the ones I bought.

They were from Pocket Books which made for a great joke omitted from
the omnibus. In _SC I: The Universe Next Door_, at two of the hops to
parallel universes, they had new title pages for the book, attributing
its publication to Rocket Books, and then to Locket Books, each with
logos derivative of Pocket Books'.

-- 
 "A falling dream is a wonderful dream, one of the best dreams one can have.
                           Where did you fall to, and what did you discover?"
zed@silver.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Schrodingers Cat Author
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:14:01 GMT

In <1992Aug25.101910.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.094114.27554@tplrd.tpl.oz.au>, grantmc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Grant McAuliffe) writes:
>> I am re-reading `Schrodingers Cat - The Universe Next Door' at present
>> and am still wondering who Robert Anton Wilson, the author, is in 
>> real life. The book was written in about 1983 and is probably the
>> most `scientific' of the Quantum Mechanics science fiction novels
>> around, still.
>> Does anyone know who the author is?
>
>What makes you think he isn't Robert Anton Wilson?
>He is also co-author of the Illuminatus Trilogy with Shea.
>I saw him speak with Timothy Leary at Chicon V. (See Footnote)
>There are two sequels/alternates:
>	The Trick Top Hat
>	The Homing Pigeons
>They may be hard to find on their own, but the three are available as a big
>trade paperback.

They will be extremely hard to find on their own, but I've been told
(forget by whom) that the trade paperback was somewhat edited.  It
may well be worth the search (I plan on yanking them if I ever see them)
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                                   Haazavaa?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: butter flavored Crisco
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:47:19 GMT
 <1992Aug25.210101.23211@colorado.edu> <1992Aug26.150506.29166@samba.oit.unc.edu> <1992Aug26.154203.18246@ra.msstate.edu>
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <1992Aug26.154203.18246@ra.msstate.edu>, bill@AEC.MsState.Edu (bill balcerzak) writes:
> I once had a girlfriend who liked to bring the dog, the cat, about two
> yards of nylon webbing, several pairs of handcuffs, and a large tin of
> buttered flavored Crisco to bed ...  oops
> 
> Wrong newsgroup.
> Sorry.
> Carry on.

Hardly the wrong newsgroup.  This sounds like science fiction :)



I mean do they really think that vegetable shortening will EVER taste like
butter?  I've lost my willing suspension of disbelief.

-- 
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From: ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:16:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak10.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <hv28340@pro-smof.cts.com> wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!shiva@cactus.org (System Smof) writes:
>speers@opus.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers) writes:
>>
>>  Second Question:  If God can do anything, can (s)he create
>>                    a rock that (s)he cannot lift?
>
>That one's easy. An omnipotent God can change the rules at will, create a rock
>he cannot lift, and then change the rules so that he can now lift the rock.

You can get past that 

New Question : If God can do anything, can (s)he create
               a rock that (s)he cannot lift, 
               then (without changing the rules) lift
               the rock just created?

Now get around that one...


Ian

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From: tannerr@CS.ORST.EDU (Ryan Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Brian Daley: When is he gonna publish!
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:28:14 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept
Originator: tannerr@storm.CS.ORST.EDU

I really enjoyed his Hobart Floyt-Alacrity Fitzhugh Adventures (Requiem
for a Ruler of Worlds, Jinx on a Terran Inheritance, and Fall of the
White Ship Avatar).  Anybody know what he's up to?  Is he going to
continue with this serries?

Ryan (tannerr@prism.cs.orst.edu)

-- 
Ryan Tanner (tannerr@prism.orst.edu)        Highlander III quote:
                                                   "There can be only FIVE!"

DISCLAIMER:  I don't even know the person!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper)
Subject: Re: _The Turing Option_
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:07:47 GMT

Tom Hatton writes:

>chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044) writes:

>>People today live longer and eat better than at any time in
>>history. This is scarred and desolate?
>>Chris Kostanick
>>"Range, 1000 yards"

>Your sig seems to say it all, in terms of your vision. What people are you
>talking about here? A few hundred million out of the 5+ billion on the
>planet? And what percentage of those are living in poverty, hence *not*
>eating enough, and *not* living longer? It appears nobody outside your 
>little corner really matters to you. Future's so bright you gotta wear
>shades, it seems.

I was under the impression that several BILLION people live longer,
better, and potentially happier (ha ha) lives these days.  Mass
starvation has receded from a really significant fraction of the world's
population with the growth in international ties and trade.  I would be
quite surprised if the percentage of world population that starves in
famines is any higher than times immemorial, and likely to much much
lower.  Definitions of poverty in nations with a social-democratic
tradition (so probably not the US) do not include hunger, as
satisfactory support exists for all residents.  The big problem is that
often poverty in the West is not owning a VCR ... I assume that's what
you were referring to as "those".

>Not intended as a flame, just a little re-adjustment of your perspective.

Agreed.  Not a flame.  Just another different perpective.

Peter
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Yet Another Misleading Cover
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:29:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalf.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <01GNOQRVCN2G0014HA@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU>, ISTN100@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU ("ELLEN G. COHN") writes:
> This isn't *exactly* on topic, but whyowhyowhy do the publishers so 
> frequently insist on slapping a "THE NEW XANTH NOVEL" [...]
> what about
> when the next Xanth novel comes out?  That one will also say "THE NEW
> XANTH NOVEL" on the front.  

Remember a novel called *Star Trek: The Motion Picture*?  Funny name
for a book...

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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Free will and time travel
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:45:09 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <17da5gINN2ji@oak6.doc.ic.ac.uk>, ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.064506.4409@bb1t.monsanto.com> bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:

>>3) Time travel to the past is impossible.
> 
> Personally I don't like number 3, thus limiting it down to two
> choices. The reason I don't like number 3 is that I can not see it
> being any different to (say) suspended animation. 
> 
> Why? Because if you think about it, if you were only to be able to
> travel into the future (and not back again) then you would be
> travelling through a period in which you took little (or no) part (ie.
> you were 'inside' what ever made you travel through time). 
> 
> This would be, to you, no different to being suspended inside a
> capsule and woken up after the desired time had elapsed, and it would
> be no different to anyone else either (they won't be affected by you
> travelling in time any more than they would be affected by you being
> put to sleep in a capsule).
> 
> Ian

Whether or not the universe is affected by someone traveling in time 
is an interesting question.  Perhaps some sort of trailing temporal 
"shock wave" would mark your passage?

But the two scenarios you describe *are* different.  In suspended 
animation  you are physically *there*. 

"How's old Ian this morning?"
"Still there in the capsule. Life support readings nominal."

In the time travel case you are not there during the interval between 
activating your time machine and your arrival in the future.

"Seen Ian lately?"
"No, he seems to have disappeared last week."
The compartment door swung open.  Framed in the opening stood Ian.
"Hi, guys!"
"Ian!  Where've you been?"


I'm not sure if we disagree on #3.  I said time travel to the *past* 
is impossible.  I am still thinking about travel to the future.


--Electric Monk            (Bruce Gaede); 
                            e-mail: bjgaed@ccmail.monsanto.com

"...and then time started seriously to pass."
--Douglas Adams, _Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency_
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Closing of "The Pendragon"
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:17:20 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.misc
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

It is with great regret that I announce the closing of the Pendragon,
an art gallery in Annapolis, Maryland that specialized in science
fiction art.  The recession has done its worst, here.

For those of you who can get there before (I believe) September 25th
(call first to make sure), there is a discount on remaining stock.

A great loss to fans in the Baltimore, Annapolis, and Washington D.C.
area.  I will always remember the opening that they had in the
Baltimore Aquariam.  Truly surreal.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com