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From: nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks)
Subject: Re: BATMAN: "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  9 Sep 92 13:20:01 GMT

In <SS.92Sep9080217@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>I agree the Batwing was thrown in just to be thrown in. It would have
>been more realistic is he used a helicopter. The only reason it was the
>Batwing was becaues it was in the movie. It was relistic when he was
>just following the car on the radar screen, but when he is flying
>around with the guy hanging by one arm, dive bombing the water.....

just one little point about the above response...

Mr. Streeter used the phrase, "It would have been more realistic..."
I've noted that a few others are complaining that BAS, which so far
has only aired 4 episodes, is unrealistic or cashing in on the movies'
successes.
Folks, this is a _cartoon_ we're talking about.  And remember:  this
_cartoon_ is based on a _comic book_, not reality.
thank you.
now it's time for me to polish my pewter batman figurines, all 52 different
poses.
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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Original Little Nemo animation
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:11:16 GMT

Winsor McCay (the right spelling-I always have to look it up) did
do a short film in which he animated Little Nemo and his friends.
The movie has a live action prologue in which he bets a group of
friends taht he can complete 4000 drawings and make them move in
one month.  McCay's vaudeville act was based upon the speed with
which he could draw.

The film was done in about 1916.  I believe it is called "Little Nemo"
and I believe my school rents it for my classes from the Museum
of Modern Art Film Library.  The movie is in black and white, and there
is no story to the animation, and no backgrounds--the drawings were
done on opaque paper.  He introduces the characters and puts them 
thru some stunning (to an animator) movements, but it is not like
the comic strips.

I've always thought it was a tragedy that McCay didn't make a career
of animation.  However, he probably would have come to a bad end
like Emile Cohl and Melies and Oskar Fischinger.  McCay was an
artist with a belief in quality that probably would not have
survived the asembly line process that animation became.  McCay 
made an angry after dinner speech to a group of animators in 1924
about how thay had taken an art form and debased it. 

Erik Timmerman
Film/Video Department
Rochester Institute of Technology

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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Favorite episodes
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:34:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.020705.2122@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>
>Well, I greatly prefer the old WB 'toons to (almost) anything that's come
>along in the past 30 years or so.  With that in mind, here are a few of my
>favorites:
>
>(I'm going to try & stay away from some of the more well-known ones
> like "One Froggy Evening" that are more well known...)

[list of WB cartoon titles]

>This is by no means a complete "must see" list of WB 'toons... But even
>so, I think any fan of more recent works would be hard-pressed to find
>anything that matches up to the titles above.

Was the cartoon starring Pete Puma in there?  Far and away my favorite.
I haven't seen it in years;  but if it were censored or altered in any way
I would not want to see it.  Anyone know if it's on any of the "Golden
Jubilee" tapes or any other tape?

   VGR

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From: MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu (mark rieker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: X-Men cartoon (very) basic character preview
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:23:37 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


    Well, since somebody asked, and I got nothing better to do, here's
    a basic run-down on the X-men. I don't know who's in and who's out so
    I'll list em all

    -Cyclops :Shoots force beams out of his eyes. He has
             to wear red glasses to contain them. Is hooking up with Jean
             Grey

    -Jean Grey (Marvel Woman):A way-powerful psychic. Has red hair. Is
                  hooking up with Cyclops

    -Storm :Used to think she was an African goddess. Can control the weather


    -Iceman :Can turn water and water in the air around him to ice

    -Colossus: Big russian guy. Can turn his skin to steel

    -Professor X: World's most powerful psychic. Uses a wheelchair. Runs the
                  show

    -Archangel: Used to be the Angel before his wings were cut off. They were
                replaced by metal ones. Has blue skin.

    -Bishop: Mutant cop from the future. Can redirect energy fired at him
             (lasers, etc) and fire it back

    -Jubilee: Teenage mall-rat. Can create balls of light

    -Beast: Blue and furry. Very intelligent and acrobatic.

    -Psylocke: Used to be English, now she's Asian. A telepath and a ninja.
               Wears a thong bathing suit as a costume.

    -Rogue: Skin-to-skin contact with another person causes her to absorb
            their powers and memories. Can fly. Has cool hair.

    -Gambit: Cajun guy. Can charge objects with energy, causing them to explode
             when thrown.

    -Cable: Half mutant-half machine. His eye lights up. Likes to fire big guns

    -Wolverine: Has metal claws implanted in his arms. Has metal bones and
                heals very fast. Has a very nasty disposition.



    Well, that's about it. Hope it helped.
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Tom & Jerry
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.014537.8369@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.235346.4990@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.175840.16296@ulowell.ulowell.edu> bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug24.141639.12616@fripp.ri.cadre.com> jh@cadre.com writes:
>>>>In article 1961@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>In a previous article, mcbride@cs.arizona.edu (Chris M. McBride) says:
>>>>>
>>>Actually, Tom does say various short things in a few 'toons, like...
>>>
>>>TOM : (sitting on hot plate instead of ice, sniffs the air)  What's cooking?
>>>GIRL : You, stupid.
>>>
>>>- - - 
>>>
>>>TOM : (reading Jerry's will Jerry has handed him) mumble,mumble...  I leave
>>>	to Tom my sole posession... a coconut custard pie.  A pie?  Well, let
>>>	me have it!!!  (Jerry nails him with pie.
>>>
>>>- - -
>>>
>>>Tom also does the typical romantic "Ah, my luv... you are the sun, the moon..."
>>>	when accidentally holding the dog instead of a girl cat.  There are a
>>>	few others, but I can't think of them right now.  Cheers!
>>>
>>>							-MetalMaster
>>
>>
>>Doesn't anyone remember when Tom said "En Garde" in a French accent?
>>
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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BATMAN: TAS
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:28:03 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Sep9.002057.12191@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>>Finally, a cartoon that doesn't talk down to you (and the only cartoon 
>>that I can recall in which a character says "My God").
>
>Ren 'n' Stimpy does.  And even TTA has.

As did Robotech.  I can't think of any others, though.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: BATMAN IS GREAT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:19:35 GMT

In article <92254.071431U52025@uicvm.uic.edu>, U52025@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> 
> Also if you seen all the episodes you'll notice that the real villains
> are the corparate owners of the industry that the villain comes from.

Yes, but it's tiresome if the villains ALWAYS are corporate.  I mean, in
every episode except except "On Leather Wings" there was an Evil Industrialist
in the plot.

BTW, is Summer Gleason the only reporter Channel 12 has?  At least she doesn't
wear a canary-yellow jumpsuit.  :-/

> were done on blacken film, or paper, to give it a dark look.

The backgrounds were done on black paper.  Saves on black paint.  :-)
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From: sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate)
Subject: Re: Batman Animation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:26:25 GMT

rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) writes:

>In article <kaka.715837634@spruce.cs.uiuc.edu> kaka@cs.uiuc.edu (Aaron Kaka) writes:
>>	Well, it still ain't Japanese animation, but it IS a step in the
>>	right direction. It is time for the ascension of American animation...

>  I'll refrain from commenting on whether or not stepping towards Japanese
>animation is a good thing or not...

>>	The show is animated stylishly, has a REAL and intelligent plot,
>>	and I like the "deep throat" voice!

>  Not to be a wet blanket, but I thought the "Man-Bat" story wasn't THAT
>great. My biggest gripe was that the identity of the Man-Bat was telegraphed
>from a mile away -- as soon as Bruce walked into the lab, the light bulb went
>off in my head. Also, the "Batman finds an antidote" solution was a little too
>pat and trite for my tastes. In contrast, the Saturday episode ("Claws of the
>Cat", or somesuch) was better written IMO.

Well, on the other hand, anyone familiar with the story of the Man-Bat knew
who he was anyway.  They are staying fairly true to the comic origin in this
series.  (Did anyone notice how Harvey Dent already has a thing about flipping
coins? )



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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Anime, and He May Not
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:37:50 GMT

In article <3+wnmv+@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>> Marc acknowledges that mediocrity exists in all media.  However, the way
>> he talks about the mediocrity in anime makes it sound like that it is
>> more prevalent, apparent, rampant, common, whatver in anime than in
>> other media, which I don't believe is true - or at least not as
>> significantly as he makes it sound. 
>The point isn't that mediocrity is more common in amine, it's that it's
>less commonly *acknowledged* by anime fans than by fans of other animation
>genres.

While that point was in there - about anime fans who rave mindlessly about
anime that really doesn't deserve such praise and who turn a blind eye
to the multitude of bad anime out there - I felt Marc was trying to
make the other point as well.  At least, with statements along the lines
of how anime has a "desperate relationship with stereotypes" (I'm pulling
off my memory, which ain't so hot, but you get the idea), I got the
impression that he thought anime is even more mediocre than other media,
which I don't agree with.
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons: It may have been nice animation, but..
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01:13:43 GMT

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About the part about liking whichever one you see first:

I saw the cartoon years before I read the gamebook, and while I liked
the cartoon okay, I never really loved it all that much.  But I love the
game.    

About it having been another 30 minute commercial if it had been more
like the real Dungeons and Dragons game:

No offense, but I was under the impression that it was anyway. :)  At
least it would have been a BETTER 30-minute commercial, IMHO.  There is
a Japanese show called LODOSS WAR that I have never seen, but is supposedly
based on Dungeons and Dragons the way it SHOULD be.  I want to get a copy
of that sometime...

About my annoyance at "endless quest" shows annoying you:

There are some shows where a change in the outcome not being in doubt
is okay--namely, the shows where the good guys are in a good situation
(like the A-Team, Knight Rider, etc.).  But in shows such as Dungeons
and Dragons, where they're not in what they consider a good situation
and want very much to change it, it really does stink for me to watch
them get inches away from a permanent, satisfying, decisive victory, and
then see it slip from their grasp because of some twist of fate.  Seems
to me that if the Dungeonmaster had the kind of "ultimate power" there 
that GMs are supposed to have, it was actually HE who was keeping them
there.  But that's beside the point.  If such shows are about to be
cancelled, IMHO, they should do one final episode where the protagonists
finally make it home/accomplish their other objectives.  That would make
it a lot more satisfying, in my opinion.

---Chris Meadows

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From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: Tom & Jerry
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:28:36 GMT

>>>>HELP!
>>>>I contend that Tom & Jerry do not Speak, did not speak, and will
>>>>never speeak(although rumour has it they will in the upcoming movie)
>>>> 
>>>>But some off my co workers say that Tom & Jerry have indeed spoken.
>>>>In fact they spoke in one of the ffirst episodes? Is this true?
>
>Actually, Tom does say various short things in a few 'toons, like...
>
>TOM : (sitting on hot plate instead of ice, sniffs the air)  What's cooking?
>GIRL : You, stupid.
>
>TOM : (reading Jerry's will Jerry has handed him) mumble,mumble...  I leave
>	to Tom my sole posession... a coconut custard pie.  A pie?  Well, let
>	me have it!!!  (Jerry nails him with pie.)
>
>Tom also does the typical romantic "Ah, my luv... you are the sun, the moon..."
>	when accidentally holding the dog instead of a girl cat.  There are a
>	few others, but I can't think of them right now.  Cheers!

Question:  are these examples from the 70s Tom & Jerry or the 40s Tom & Jerry?

Second thing:  I lived in Germany for six years, and they added German voices
to Tom & Jerry -- though they didn't speak in the original cartoons (the 40s
style, by the way) they added voices to them anyway.  Sounded extremely weird.
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From: smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee)
Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons: It may have been nice animation, but..
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:48:12 GMT
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In article <1992Sep8.010213.26308@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>The magician's
>hat also took the cake--a D&D magician's power comes from INSIDE of him, 
>not from some stupid hat.

Actually, I'm inclined to think that DM gave Presto the hate precisely
because he had some innate ability.  I recall one episode in which Presto
really screwed up (oh, THAT episode :), and the Dungeon Master said to him
kindly, "You twiddled when you should have diddled" (or something to that
effect--had to do with an improper hand motion).  Not too implausible at all,
IMHO.

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From: carlinra@vuse2.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Liquid Television
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:15:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.

Can anyone tell me anything about the short entitled "Grinning Evil Death,"
from the first(?) episode of MTV's Liquid Television?

It was a combination of "typical" animation and computer animation, and
featured
a roach, a kid, and Captain Sarcastic...

Please either post or reply through E-mail.

Thanks!

Rob


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From: opcarr@netcom.com (Onny Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: X-Men
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:13:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


Could someone be so kind as to posting the scheduled air date for 
the first X-Men episode?  (And air time too, please, for the SF Bay
Area)

I'm gonna be out that weekend, and would very much like to know the 
time the thing's gonna show, so I could set my VCR to tape it.

Thanks in advance...
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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: BATMAN: "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:22:57 GMT

In article <nudnik.716044801@camelot>, nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks) writes:
> Folks, this is a _cartoon_ we're talking about.  And remember:  this
> _cartoon_ is based on a _comic book_, not reality.
> thank you.

Heh.  Trying to start a flame war?  Or did you mean "This is an _American
cartoon_ we're talking about." :) :) :)

There, just my own flamethrower pilot flame...

(I don't really believe that.  PLEASE notice the smilies.  But I also don't
believe that something animated has more of an excuse to be unrealistic than
something not, or less of one if it is pure fantasy.)

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From: ncc1701@madoka.its.rpi.edu (Mark O. Chadwick)
Subject: Re: Laserdisk Players
Reply-To: ncc1701@acm.rpi.edu
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:30:39 GMT

dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:

>Laserdisk players do have better pictures, they don't wear out or glitch 
>like tapes do, and the sound is better. However, the media is a bit bulky 
>and more expensive than tapes. It's worth it if:


>1: You can afford it.

>2: You have a reliable source of laserdisks. There isn't one here in Las
>Cruces New Mexico, but you can order the latest stuff through the mail.

Actually, disks are not more bulky than tapes, it just seems that way.
3 movies on tape take up about the same volume as 3 disks...and I can fit
a lot more disks on the same shelf space as I can tapes without having to
stack them on top of each other :-)

Laserdisks are getting more popular (finally) so if you have a Tower Video
or some such store nearby, they should carry disks.

Finally, tapes tend to wear out, even if you don't play them a lot
(the magnetic field fades away) whereas disks tend to last a lot longer
(more than 10 years, at least).  So, you may have to re-purchase a movie
after a while, if you really like it, which winds up costing you
more than just buying a disk in the first place.

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From: jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (John R. Johns II)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Animation for Kids (was: Re: Batman: Animated Series)
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:39:03 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

The following have a nice amount of humor that adults and
college folk can enjoy:

Ren & Stimpy (even though I don't care for it)
DarkWing Duck
Goof Troop (parents can probably identify with this one REAL well)
The Simpsons
Tiny Toon Adventures

It seems to me that Disney is going more and more for programming
that appeals to both adults and children.  It looks like this
to me:

   Gummi Bears
   Rescue Rangers
   DuckTales
   DarkWing Duck
   Goof Troop

...where themes move from the childish "Smurf-like" fantasies to
what is almost sit-com like comedy.

Hey, FOX:  Who cares about Super Dave?  I wanna see TIM ALLEN in
a cartoon! :-)

- John

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