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From: jcho@nmsu.edu (CHO)
Subject: Re: Michigan RB's Was: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: New Mexico State University
	<BrwHHo.KMz@ais.org>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:42:54 GMT

In article <BrwHHo.KMz@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:

   In article <FZS-g+=@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>>In article <cePkRQ600iUyE4qFJX@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Fletcher <tf0y+@andr
>   ew.cmu.edu> writes:
>   >>Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......
>   >>
>   [standings deleted]
>   >>Tyrone Wheatley, RB   Michigan            15 pts.
>   >
>   >I assume Michigan people are voting for WHeatley(including
>   >myself).  However, from all indications, Powers is
>   >going to be the starting RB and Powers is getting most
>   >of Press.  Is there something I don't know.  Did Mo'
>   >announce Tyrone as the starting RB?  I know that he has
>   >better speed than Powers but ...
>   >
>   >
>   >>Elvis Grbac, QB       Michigan            10 pts.
>   >>Ricky Powers, RB      Michigan             4 pts.
>   >>Derrick Alexander, WR Michigan             1 pt.
>   >
>   >Haj

	[Comparison of Mich RBs deleted]

>   Geeze, could Michigan dominate the Heisman for the next few years? 
>   Howard in '91, Grbac in '92, Powers in '93, Wheatly in '94
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

No offense to all the Michiganders (who are Wolverines) but, Elvis
(IMHO) is not Heisman material... I say this because, though he is
by far more consistent than..say Demetrius Brown (his predecessor),
he lacks the mobility...  He's slow to get out of the pocket when he
needs to...and in general his performance is dependent on the OL more
than anything else... When he has to scramble, it stands a good chance
that he will either be sacked or intercepted (or get really lucky).
Powers and Wheatly have definitely the Heisman potential...but since 
their talent is also in direct competition with other RBs like Ismail
and Russell White, it will be tough... Desmond was so unanimous not just
on paper, but when you saw him play...that even great talent like Amp Lee,
Edgar Bennett, Mario Bailey, and who knows how many QBs couldn't come 
close...

>   Nah.  I think I'm getting a bit carried away. :)

It never hurts to wish. :)

						JCHO@nmsu.edu
 


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From: jcho@nmsu.edu (CHO)
Subject: Re: Michigan RB's Was: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: New Mexico State University
	<BILLMS.92Jul27115254@z.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Jul28.035347.26298@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:38:05 GMT

If you were implying that I am a Washington Huskie fan...you are wrong...
I root for the Wolverines (and the Noles) tons... 

I know I didn't see my name on referenced in the post, but I did notice
stuff that I said sorta paraphrased there.

You are right Bill... those stats are pretty weak... Michigan in
my opinion had the finest OL and DL in the Big 10 last year, with
OSU and Iowa a distant second and third (not respectively)... I mean
you just didn't get any better in the B10 conference... Michigan was
it... But, and I think you may have conceded this....if Elvis was playing
in the SEC or Pac-10...it might be a different story... I am definitely
no Pac-10 fan...or SEC for that matter...but here in the South and West
(though not so much in the West as in the South.  well, I am in the Southwest)
the defenses are alot quicker...with a minimal sacrifice for strength.
I am not sure why, but I feel if Elvis was say in the SEC...he would not
stick out nearly as much (I do admit Elvis has one helluva arm). Up in
the Mid-West...if you could get through the Michigan OL that was amazing...
No one up in the Big-10 in the 91-92 season could do it successfully...
And, thats why I believe that Elvis stats stick out...

Now Elvis is definitely primo stuff... I mean you just have to look at
the very intense FSU-UMich game last year and you know Elvis is for real.
It isn't so easy to score as many points against FSU as they did....
and they scored a ton... But, and perhaps its just two different 
views on how football is played, Elvis was not nearly as nimble or
flexible in tight situations as Casey Weldon... He is one of those
QBs that needs to be defended properly...or he will not be able to
do squat...you can chase Weldon and run the risk of him still making
the big play... When Elvis scambles, I get this sense of impending
doom... Well, actually that one roll that Elvis did in the 4th to
Howard against Notre Dame was pretty sweet...but overall, this is not
something he can do consistently I believe.... 

My basic point is this...Elvis is not as mobile as he should be to be
Heisman material...if he doesn't have to move, he wont...and that means
there is a limit to the plays he can do also (he isn't willing to make
rolls, sweeps as much)  Just my two cents...

						JCHO@nmsu.edu
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Date: 23 Jul 1992 04:26:43 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Hey - what about Buzz?  Definitely the best in the ACC, if not the
entire Southeast :)


go yellowjackets

-- 
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.203103.21884@mcc.com> richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter) writes:
> [E-mail?  My e-mail to Bob usually bounces.

Several people ahve observed the same treatment.  My mailbox I/O
has a special filter that uses 'wwb' (UNIX Writer's Workbench)
as the engine.  Instead of checking for grammar and writing level,
it was modified to detect the writings of certain undesirables.
Originally it was called 'drop.dork.'  However, over the years we've
modified it to bounce dweebs and bozos, too.

Hey gang, want to find out if you're a dweeb, dork, or bozo?
Just type R to this post and if it bounces, well then you know.










8-).  It's a joke.  This is a smiley.  Actually, we get our
news (rn) on 12  news servers.  To cut down on disk usage the
machines are set up to bounce all incoming mail.  To send
me e-mail use the address in my .sig.  .  This will send mail
to my host machine instead of the news server.  Or, try the dork test;
type R.   It's a joke, It's a joke.  8-).


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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Hey Cliff...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:45:41 GMT



Hey Cliff, what is the name of that dumb Miami bird mascot?


- goober (can i be a fool too) smith
From: demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Computer Predictions for Bowl Match-ups
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:42:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

>How about taking all the undefeated teams from your predictions and
>having them play a round-robin playoff.

Good idea ... here they are, all on neutral fields:

1. Washington (5-0):

washington     over penn state     by   4                   
washington     over michigan       by   5                   
washington     over oklahoma       by   6                   
washington     over virginia       by   8                   
washington     over air force      by  13                   

2. Penn State (4-1):

washington     over penn state     by   4                   
penn state     over michigan       by   2                   
penn state     over oklahoma       by   2                   
penn state     over virginia       by   5                   
penn state     over air force      by  10                   

3. Michigan (3-2):

washington     over michigan       by   5                   
penn state     over michigan       by   2                   
michigan       over oklahoma       by   1                   
michigan       over virginia       by   3                   
michigan       over air force      by   8                   

4. Oklahoma (2-3):

washington     over oklahoma       by   6                   
penn state     over oklahoma       by   2                   
michigan       over oklahoma       by   1                   
oklahoma       over virginia       by   3                   
oklahoma       over air force      by   7                   

5. Virginia (1-4):

washington     over virginia       by   8                   
penn state     over virginia       by   5                   
michigan       over virginia       by   3                   
oklahoma       over virginia       by   3                   
virginia       over air force      by   5                   
 
6. Air Force (0-5):

washington     over air force      by  13                   
penn state     over air force      by  10                   
michigan       over air force      by   8                   
oklahoma       over air force      by   7                   
virginia       over air force      by   5                   

Which, once again, makes Washington the winner of my computer's NC.
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Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
From: <PMONGEAU@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 20 Jul 1992 17:24:49 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <BrMIDw.8wK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tpe36878@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Who are
you to ask? ) says:
>
Stuff about Indian Nicknames deleted....
 
>..." We believe that the Chief is one of the many
>traditions that sets our university apart from the rest. For instance, at
>half-time, the MI do the "three-in-one", a tradition unchanged and
>performed at every football game since field marching was invented here
>in the 1920's.
 
Three-in-one huh...sounds kinky.  What is it?
 
>        My question is two-fold. First of all, does anyone know of any other
>schools who have an entire tribe as the namesake of its sports teams and
>has a respectful representation (authentic dress and dance) during its
>sporting events?
 
Not a nickname, but Miami University (of course...Miami of Ohio) is
named after a local indian tribe (now centered in Oklahoma).  The
use of the name, the nickname "Redskins", the person who acts as
"Chief Miami" (or whatever), and the Chief's costume and dances
are all approved by contract with the Miami Tribe.  So we have
'permission' to be the Redskins.  "Chief Miami" is a member of the
Miami Tribe and the dances and costume are original.  Racist?  I'm
not sure.  Authentic?  Probably.
 
By the way, Miami (Ohio) was a University before Florida was a state.
 
>I was not convinced as to the authenticity of their "chief" or whatever he was
>and his half-time performance. The other aspect of the question is: if the
>whining liberal winps here get their way and destroy one of the greatest
>traditions in all of college football, what could we possibly change our
>sports team names to? (Our colors are, of course, orange and blue).
 
I don't know about whining liberals (I'm closer to one of those than
mindless conservatives)...but if your colors are orange and blue....
I'd suggest the colorblind weasels....or a good opthalmologist....
 
 
>        Any comments, either e-mail or posts are greatly appreciated.
>
>                thomas ehardt
>                born an Illini
[Illini stuff deleted]
 
>        (sorry, couldn't help it)
>
Yes you could have.
 
Paul (born a Spartan...still am one)
From: andy@sunbird.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shea Morenz: Longhorn or Blue Jay?
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:38:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunbird.central.sun.com

In article <1992Jul24.232746.2359@mcc.com> richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter) writes:
>> Not that its likely to occur, but out of curiosity, dose it violate NCAA
>> rules to play a professional sport and play a different sport at the
>> intercollegiate level?
>
>Unless the rules have changed recently, it is not a violation.  John
>Elway played baseball (in the Yankees' organization, I believe) while
>playing football at Stanford.  Danny Ainge may have played baseball in
>the Toronto organization while playing hoops at BYU.  (I'm not sure
>about Ainge.)


It is up to each confrence or school.  THe SEC will not let a player 
be pro in 1 & play collegiate in another.  That is why Bo Jackson did
not play bball his senior year.  The TB Bucs fly him to Tampa for an
interview/physical/whatever which made  him a professional FB player. 
He was not allowed to play bball at Auburn.


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From: saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bring on the 'Cuse
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:46:51 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Go Orange!  Go Orange!  

Come on, you fans of the 'Cuse, let's start whooping it up!  This is the
year, face it.  We probably won't have this good a team stacked up against
this easy (relatively) a schedule for some time to come.  If the offensive 
line holds up and the secondary plays well, things look VERY good.  There's
absolutely no reason why the team shouldn't be a convincing 10-0 when Miami
rolls into town for the final game, barring a bevy of injuries to the skill
positions.  It'll be interesting to see how Mason shapes up as quarterback,
and how Womack performs at CB.  (Last thing I heard, they were thinking 
about putting Womack at CB to get him more PT)  I just hope they use the
flanker option pass more this year--Shelby can heave that mother!

Go Orange!  Go Orange!  Bring on those East Carolina bums, heh heh heh...

September can't get here fast enough!

Maybe we'll get another SEC team to chew on in a bowl game this year.  
Unless the SEC teams will have beaten each other up so badly that none
of them get into the Bowl Alliance.
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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shockers
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2817@wrdis01.af.mil>, demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes...
#You have obviously been drinking too much of that fine upstate New York
#wine

Yes and no.  I *have* been drinking it (I got some more of Dr. Frank's), but
you can *never* have too much.

#   ... Can you say "G-A-T-O-R-S"?

Let's see:  Ga-argh
Let me try again:  Gat-ugh
Once more:  Gato--chickens!

There, I said it.

#       Can you say "Georgia won't win the 
#SEC-East, much less go 12-0"?  I thought you could.

Well, I could say it, but it would be rather ridiculous since Georgia *will*
go 12-0, and Georgia *will* win the SEC-East, and Georgia will thump both
Florida and GaTech on its way there.

#Besides, Miami won't get to play TAMU anyway, as the Aggies will have a date
#in the Cotton Bowl against 11-0 Syracuse for the MNC
                         ----^^^                      ^-
Oops, typo Darryl:  that      should read 10-1 and that   is missing the
word "also-ran".

___

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University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 12:41:45 EDT
From: ME <34EX5PH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Signed Notre Dame Football

Hello -
I was wondering if someone could help me out.  I was talking with
my dad this weekend and he said he receive a 1950 Notre Dame football
with all team members signatures on it.  Just a couple questions.
1.  Where could I get a line up of all team members?
2.  How did ND do in 1950?

If possible could you please respond to me directly.
I would like to findout who was on this team.

thanks Michael.
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From: rszczerb@purcell.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:53:36 GMT

In article <exujeff.28.712071719@exu.ericsson.se> exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson) writes:
>} I beleive you did misunderstand, it's not a black-catholic issue that I 
>was intending to address.  My question is what is it that NOTRE DAME or SMU 
>or TCU or BYU place in their curriculum that has to do with their religious 
>beleifs?  I'm know there are black Catholics and chinese Mormons.  If these 
>schools do place their religious beleifs intertwind with their courses, 
>wouldn't a student attending one of these Universitys take that into 
>consideration before attending?  I probably am way off the mark, especially 
>on the Notre Dame issue, seeing as they do graduate all their football 
>players. Which I guess is the real question.
>I am sorry for offending you.
>}jeff
>
>
	No problem.  :)




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From: deand@sequent.com (Dean Davison)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs. BYU
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:59:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.154602.8165@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Mark Mitchell writes:

>Notre Dame vs. BYU will be a very interesting game to see.  Notre Dame's
>weakness over the past few seasons has been pass defense and that should paly
>right into the hands of the pass-oriented Couger offense.  I think this game
>will be the true measure of how far the new Irish defensive coordinator
>(Minter?) has brought the team.
>
It will also be interesting to see BYU in the "post-Detmer" era.
During the past few years, the dominate passing strategy produced
embarrassing losses to mediocre teams who could read Detmer's passes
and make some key interceptions.  BYU tried a few times to establish a
running game, but could not pull it off.

With a new starting quarterback, perhaps we will see more running.  Of
course, I cringe at the thought of BYU trying to win a running game
over the ND defense.

Dean
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Michigan RB's Was: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:27:15 GMT

edu>
Organization: UMCC

In article <2bS-Q5=@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>In article <BrwHHo.KMz@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>>In article <FZS-g+=@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes
:
>>>In article <cePkRQ600iUyE4qFJX@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@an
dr
>>ew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>>Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......
>>>>
>>[standings deleted]
>>>>Tyrone Wheatley, RB   Michigan            15 pts.
>>>
>>>>Elvis Grbac, QB       Michigan            10 pts.
>>>>Ricky Powers, RB      Michigan             4 pts.
>>>>Derrick Alexander, WR Michigan             1 pt.
>>>
>>>Haj
>>
[ my own ramblings deleted ]
>
>Well.  I already knew most of this.  Don't you think it is funny
>that the player with the most (net)Heisman votes for Michigan
>doesn't even start.
>
Guess he's just popular.  He will be a potential winner in a 
year or two.  You're right that it's odd that the #1 UM 
vote-getter isn't a starter.  
 
>Maybe they should put WHeatly in as linebacker.  We could use
>some speed back there.  We never have fast linebackers.  The
>nightmare of seeing Amp Lee running through our defence like
>they were standing still, haunts me to this day.
>
>John Hajel
>
Me too.  Hey, maybe we could put him on the defensive line so we 
would finally have a decent pass rush (when Hutchinson's out).
Heh.
 
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:10:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.180507.9032@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
>>>Well I can't say I hate ND but I sure dislike them. Why?
>>>
>>>Well I went to both ND vs. Colorado Orange Bowls at Joe Roby Stadium and
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   last I heard, they played the Orange Bowl at the *Orange Bowl*
>>   but, of course, CU hasn't been there *that* many times
>>
>
>Well I guess I've lost all credibility with this group. Who plays in the 
>Orange Bowl durring the season?  The Hurricanes? Is there a college team that
>plays in Joe Roby?

Calm down Ethan, you lost all credibility long ago.... The Hurricanes
play in the OB and no college team plays in Joe ROBBIE stadium.

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Outback Gator Bowl?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:48:24 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

Today's edition of USA Today (7/28) reports that the Gator Bowl
Association will announce today a four-year contract naming Outback
Steakhouse as the title sponsor of the annual Gator Bowl.
 
What a dumb name.  Of course it is a far cry from the dumbest name -
The Poulan/Weed Eater Independence Bowl at Shreveport.
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