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From: why@kpc.com (Will Hyde)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: The W.R.G.P.T II ... CALL FOR SIGN-UPS...!
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:40:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA



The W.R.G.P.T II ... CALL FOR SIGN-UPS...!

Here it is folks ... Get 'em in early, because this one is gonna be
a monster...!

NEW THIS YEAR:  All the action will be handled by an automated server
that is truly *astonishing* ...

Send your sign-up requests to me:    why@kpc.com

Start date is scheduled for October First, and there's a bit to do
before play can begin (rules, protocols, procedures, etc.) ... so 

HIT IT...!

 ...

 And, BTW, there has been yet another casualty in W.R.G.P.T. I ...

 IT'S DOWN TO THREE PLAYERS....

 (Dave asked me not to post this one ... so, of course, here it is):

 We call this one:   "SANDBAGGED!"   :)


X.69**************Playing $80.00 MINIMUM (NO-LIMIT)******************
*********************************************************************
#1: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (steve jacobs)         (710.00)        (80.00) 
#2: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (bharat rao)          (2570.00)        *FIRST*
#3: butler@tartan.com (ken butler)           (2110.00)        (40.00) 
#6: slaven@iastate.edu (dave slaven)          (450.00)        (40.00) 
________________________________ 
Player #2 (2490.00)              CALL  80.00                  240.00
________________________________ 
Player #3 (2110.00)(40.00)D      FOLD
________________________________ 
Player #6 (410.00)(40.00)        CALL  80.00 (40.00)          280.00      
________________________________ 
Player #1 (710.00)(80.00)        CALL  80.00 (Blind)            
________________________________
THE FLOP:              6D JD 8C
________________________________
Player #6 (310.00)               BET: 100.00                  380.00
________________________________
Player #1 (610.00)               CALL 100.00                  480.00
________________________________
Player #2                        FOLD
________________________________
THE TURN:                    2S
________________________________
Player #6                        CHECK
________________________________
Player #1                        CHECK
________________________________
THE RIVER:                   3H
________________________________
Player #6 (*all-in*)             BET: 310.00                  790.00
________________________________
Player #1 (300.00)               CALL 310.00                 1100.00
________________________________

 ...the winner:

 

 ...jacobs(3D JH): TWO PAIR, JJ338 ... (didn't need the Trey)
 ...slaven(8D KS): Pair Eights. (SANDBAGGED...!)

 SHIT'S A POPPIN!  NOW THERE ARE THREE....

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From: smlacke@isrc.sandia.gov (Scott M Lackey)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Blackjack Lemmings?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:21:00 GMT
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM


	Well, I was in Vegas this last weekend but didn't manage to meet any
rec.gamblers.  Won $233 in about 15 hours play (blackjack) with a $5-25
spread.  Just paid for expenses.

	I played downtown, and _Blackjack Monthly_'s evaluations of
various games pretty much echoed my own.  Horseshoe and Golden Gate
were best. Some pressure at both, but for $5-25, it's not easy to
get tossed out without playing many hours.

	But here is the main reason for my post.  I propose a contest to
see who can come up with the best cutsie name for those blackjack
players who are scared to death to play heads up, but immediately
show up at the table when you try to.  This weekend, at the horseshoe,
I was ready to head out of Vegas and started drooling at the sight
of 4+ empty $5 tables and couldn't pass that up.  In the next hour
or so I managed to play about 5 or 6 hands head up.  Almost always,
there were 3 or 4 other players before getting through the second
deck.  I *never* got through a deck alone!  Meanwhile, there were still
multiple empty tables.  I realize why this happens,  but my level
of frustration necessitates my having a name (the more derogatory
the better) for this class of (sub)humans.  I'll do my best to think
of an appropriate prize for the best name. 

Scott Lackey
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: patti@hosehead.intel.com (Patti Beadles)
Subject: Re: THE HOLD'EM TOURNAMENT (W.R.G.P.T. II)...
Originator: patti@hosehead
Organization: Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:02:50 GMT

Waitaminute ... I scanned the list, and there was only one identifiably
female name on there, and that was mine.  Am I really the only woman
in this whole shebang?  Yow!
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: What does BARGE and CONVEX have in common...
In-reply-to: rbmoore@crchh95.NoSubdomain.NoDomain's message of 28 Aug 92 21:15:43 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:14:12

In article <1992Aug28.211543.27365@bnr.ca> rbmoore@crchh95.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Robert Moore) writes:

> Yes, they are both held in Vegas, and yes, they both occur in the "Fall", but
> I *BET* you did not think of this one:
>
> They are both held twice a year!
>
> Big August Rec . Gambling Excursion   and   Big April Rec . Gambling
> Excursion!
>
> Think about it!  We can keep BARGE(tm) as the acroynm and fulfill the need of
> an additional meeting.  Besides, maybe the heat won't get to Blair as bad in
> April.  How does the first weekend of April sound?

Sounds like some of us will be scrambling to do our taxes :-)

Actually, if we change August/April to Annual or Anytime or Awesome, then
we're free to have BARGE any time of year.  May might be nice, before it
gets too hot.  If we start planning now, maybe we can get a group rate and
nail down some facilities for meetings/meals/tournaments etc.  The BJ players
might complain about this, but they're a bunch of whining weenies anyway...
(and they can make their own arrangements).

> While I am posting, when yours truly created the BARGE buzzword, I suggested
> that the third annual (at the time I said 2cd in error) be held on Friday, 
> August 13th 1993.  Nary a flame came from any of you on it being a Friday
> 13th.  Fantastic!  Were you all foaming at the mouth to get out there that
> the date did not scare you?  Friday the 13th is my most favorite time to
> visit Vegas.

I'd personally make a point of gambling on Friday the 13th, but I'm a bit
on the perverse side...
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Never teach a card counter to sing.  It wastes your time and gets the card
 counter barred."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: If you missed the BARGE...
In-reply-to: mzimmers@netcom.com's message of Fri, 04 Sep 92 02:44:11 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:10:25

In article <9!mnr5l.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
> In article <1992Sep03.180549.6516@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>
>>Of course, BARGErs are welcome, as well, but we won't let jacobs in the
>>hold'em tournament.
>
>Last I heard, Steve was hanging up hold 'em (said it was too easy).
>He wants a real challenge, so he's taking up Baccarat, with occasional
>spins of the money wheel...

In your dreams!  Now that I've tasted blood, there's no turning back!!
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Laughlin Hotel Recommendations
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:34:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego



I'm going to Laughlin in October and am looking for opinions of personal
preferences on hotels. I've been there once and stayed at Harrah's, which
I liked but it's way down at the end of the strip. I got a good look at most
of the casinos in town and I know the rates, but what I need are opinions on
room quality vs. price. I'd prefer to stay somewhere where I can get some kind
of view for a good price. Also I know that the Edgewater, Gold Rush, and
Harrah's all have pretty good buffets. Anyplace else? 

Please email your opinions directly to me.


Jim Napier
Systems Administration
Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
UC San Diego
napier@ames.ucsd.edu
Jim Napier
Systems Administration
Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
UC San Diego
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mgins@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Ginsberg)
Subject: FAQ
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:08:01 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: FAQ
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Keywords: 


I was wondering where I could obtain the FAQ to rec.gambling?  It doesn't
seem to be in the old articles here at UCB, although they do only date back
a week or so.  Thanks alot,

--Michael Ginsberg [moderate Reno/Vegas gambler, mostly BJ]
CS PhD student, U Cal Berkeley
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jka@ece.cmu.edu (Jay Adams)
Subject: Dice Propositions
Originator: jka@mustang.ece.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU ECE Dept.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:49:47 GMT


> I have recently been thinking about a common dice proposition in which 
> the victim is offered a wager that in repeated rolls of two dice, the
> numbers 6 and 8 will appear before two 7s.  The book THEORY OF GAMBLING
> by Epstein claims the probability of the 6 and 8 occurring before two 7s
> is .56 (page 150).  Scarne's NEW COMPLETE GUIDE TO GAMBLING claims the
> probability is 50/86, or .581 (page 827).  When I did the calculation,
> I got .54558.  I think Scarne's explanation is incorrect, and unfortunately
> Epstein does not give one.  Does anyone have any thoughts about this 
> problem?  

I get 0.54558 too.  Like this:

  (5/16)(5/11) + (5/16)(5/11) + (2)(5/11)( (6/16)(5/16) + (5/16)(6/11) )

For two 7's first, I get:

  (6/16)(6/16) + (2)(6/11)( (5/16)(6/11) + (6/16)(5/16) )

which comes out to 0.45442 which is 1 minus the other case.

Are we both wrong?


> ps. Another interesting problem is to find the probability of throwing 
> each of 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12 before a single 7.  Any ideas? 
> I get 1 in 190.197, or .0052577.  Scarne gets 1 in 66 (page 825).

Yuch.  Too much arithmetic.  Maybe later.

- Jay
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:38:43 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Sep3.152528.9430@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:

> Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't +2.5 mean that the Giants are
> favored?  If so, and you think that the 49ers will win, how could they
> not cover the spread?

No. "Giants +2.5" means that the Giants get a 2.5pt spot (in other words, they
are underdogs by 2.5). If they were favored, it would read "Giants -2.5";
counterintuitive, but true.
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:41:20 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Is there a place where football handicappers may post their
selections each week?

I have been handicapping football for six seasons with four winning, and
two losing seasons. Football can be beat, but discipline and good money 
                    management are needed in addition to good handicapping.
1986: %59
1987: %61
1988: %51
1989: %59
1990: %49 
1991: %58 

I rely mainly on trends. Two well known ones are to take home underdogs
on Monday night, and to go against Monday night winners the following week.
(In those situations there are nuances, like whether it is a divisional
game, etcetera.)

There was a trend I heard about a few years that I would like to test,
but I do not have the proper information. (It came from a John Patrick
show, yes the same John Patrick that teaches incorrect basic strategy in
BJ, and leads one to believe that you can win in roulette, but I checked
this system for one year, 1988, and it worked. 17-13, not as good as I
would like, but the letdown situation the next week went 13-6)

College schools usually have a parents weekend, and many parents of football
players will be in attendence that week when their sons play. This leads
to inspired performances, and good wagering opportunities. Like the
Monday night football situation, teams that win in front of their parents
often let down the following week, so you can often cash two winning
wagers with that situation. It is widely believed that teams play well
on homecoming weekend, and homecoming weekend informamtion is given in
many football periodicals. Players care much more about their parents
than about some (relatively) old alumni. So, it stands to reason that
a handicapper should know when parents weekend occurs, yet this data
is not given.
             If anyone knows when parents weekend is scheduled for
a college, may they email it to me? Thanks in advance,

                                       Al
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: The Vieira Gravestone
In-reply-to: notkin@cs.washington.edu's message of Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:18:18 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:21:15

In article <1992Sep3.151818.2432@beaver.cs.washington.edu> notkin@cs.washington.edu (David Notkin) writes:
>
> Got any ideas for Steve "King of the Net" Jacobs' gravestone?

I think that's taking the "let's kill Jacobs" thread a bit too far...
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: ch2m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christopher  Houston)
Subject: Missed the BARGE--Trip Report Anyway...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:02:29 GMT
From: marrone@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Michael Marrone)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:15:37 GMT
Reply-To: mastrota@excalibur.itd.nrl.navy.mil
In-reply-to: arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 31 Aug 92 23:01:51 GMT

What abo t the cowboys monday night +2.  This has two great trends going
for it , monday night home dog, and against previous years super bowl
champ, both of wihch hit about %70 over last 10 years or so.
Mike
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: query on ace side count
From: karp@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:54:54 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

Hello all:

This lurker is finally breaking down and going to admit his ignorance.

This is a black jack counting query so for those not interested press 'N'
now:


I've heard mention of multi parameter counting many times and ace side counts
in particular.  My question is:  How do you use the ace side count to calculate
1) a. advantage ?
   b. how large a bet should be made (kelly or otherwise) ?
2) when you should take insurance ?

This inquiring mind would like to know.


Jeffery
Karp@skcla.monsanto.com

PS Boy, I'm sorry I missed the BARGE.  Is S. Jacobs still taking donations?
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Berger)
Subject: Re: Gambling in Colorado
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:41:13 GMT

Does anyone know if there is any gambling establishments/ casinos around
Colorado Springs?  I will l be making a trip there relatively soon and would
like to make my trip that much better.

Thanx

Dave


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From: dave@tgi.com (Dave Eldenburg)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: test
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:01:02 GMT
Organization: Thistle Grove Ind. Inc.

This is a test...
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From: markb@netlabs.com (Mark Bentkower)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Reno
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:38:42 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.


I am driving to Reno from the Bay Area this weekend and 
would like to know where I might stop to pick up
fun books and coupons. Also, is there anywhere in
Reno itself where I could find these things?
Thanx.

-- 
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From: rbmoore@crchh95.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Robert Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: What does BARGE and CONVEX have in common...
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:15:43 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

Yes, they are both held in Vegas, and yes, they both occur in the "Fall", but
I *BET* you did not think of this one:

They are both held twice a year!

Big August Rec . Gambling Excursion   and   Big April Rec . Gambling Excursion!

Think about it!  We can keep BARGE(tm) as the acroynm and fulfill the need of
an additional meeting.  Besides, maybe the heat won't get to Blair as bad in April.
How does the first weekend of April sound?

While I am posting, when yours truly created the BARGE buzzword, I suggested
that the third annual (at the time I said 2cd in error) be held on Friday, 
August 13th 1993.  Nary a flame came from any of you on it being a Friday 13th.
Fantastic!  Were you all foaming at the mouth to get out there that the date did
not scare you?  Friday the 13th is my most favorite time to visit Vegas.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Robert Moore  (RBMOORE@BNR.CA)

TRUE -> Std.Disclaimer; Lawsuit -> /dev/null;  

"All these worlds are yours except Europa.  Attempt no landings there"
From: msm@public.BTR.COM (Michael S. McClain  msm@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Guilty as Charged! (was Re: Kelly w/..)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:13:59 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM



Jacobs boasted:
> Hah!  I did it by playing quality hands, nothing but quality hands.
> Right Mike M.? :-) (hey, T2 suited is a million dollar hand....)

Nice hand, Steve:  "Of course they were suited -- I wouldn't have
played them if they weren't."  It's guys like you that make California
such a beautiful country.

I can describe the Hold'em Tournament in two words: MAJOR COLLUSION.
There's no other possible explanation.  I'll admit that you guys had
me fooled for a bit -- I was looking for teams of two or three, and it
wasn't until I had busted out that I realized every damn one of you
had teamed up on Tyler and myself.  The alarms should have gone off
much earlier than that:  I call Jacobs up at 11:00 at night, and ask
him if we're going to get together.  Before I can even hang up the
phone, there are five guys in my hotel room, armed with 400 chips and
eight decks of cards!  They turned the hotel room into a poker room
like trained professionals.  Come to think of it, they all looked like
they might have been part of the same immediate family... and they
did ask me to pay my $30 entry fee using singles and pocket change.
Something about being easier to divide by seven.

M.
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: What else to do in Laughlin besides gamble
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:32:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego


On my trip to Laughlin in October I'd like to get out of the casinos for a
few hours and see what else there is to see. I know I can rent jet skis or
a boat on the river and I know about the London bridge. Anything else worth
doing there? We don't mind doing some driving to get to where we're going.
Thanks.

-- 
Jim Napier
Systems Administration
Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
UC San Diego
(619)534-5414
jnapier@ucsd.edu
Jim Napier
Systems Administration
Applied Mechanics & Engineering Sciences Dept.
UC San Diego
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: Review: Honeymoon in Las Vegas
Reply-To: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:25:12 GMT

Short review: hilarious, see it (but not for the gambling scenes).

My wife and I and another couple went to see Honeymoon in Las Vegas last night
mostly because the timing of The Unforgiven did not fit our schedule.  The
plot is simple.  Nicholas Cage has trouble commiting to marriage to Sarah
Jessica Parker, and finally decideds the only way he can do it is by
impulsively flying to Las Vegas and marrying her.  They check into Bally's at
the same time a big time gambler (James Caan) who recently lost his wife to
skin cancer (she sunned herself to death).  The gambler takes a liking to
Sarah and arranges a poker game for Nicholas.  The game is totally bogus, and
you have to stretch belief pretty far, but the net result is that Nicholas and
Sarah agree that Sarah will spend a weekend with Caan in payment of debt.
Adding interest to the whole thing is an Elvis convention in town.

There is not a lot of Vegas action, and I recognized no rec.gamblers in the
background, but the movie is thoroughly enjoyable. There is even a video (John
Patrick) on poker for those of you who need lessons prior to the next poker
net.poker tournament.

My wife laughed out loud, something she rarely does at a movie.  We all had a
great time.  (Aside: my wife now regrets that she didn't accept my suggestion
to fly off to Vegas and get married when I first suggested the idea.  I think
she must have a James Caan fixation.)
Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
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