From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:   "Sex-education" and homo-bi-sexuality.
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:21:55 GMT
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

In article <rhialto.002g@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@falu.sneakernet
(Olaf Seibert) (that's me) writes:
>But to come to the point, there may be more connections between "coming
>out" [*] as an atheist, and coming out as queer (used as a catch-all for
>not straight), than I originally thought.

Well the following isn't actually related to soc.bi anymore, but it too
good not to post. This morning I read in the paper (De Volkskrant of 4
april 1992, page 17):

Tendency to ridicule catholics leads to birth of reporting point

Journalists don't make jokes anymore about catholics. And when we fall in
sin after all: let us agree in gods name that the joke doesn't get above
the level of Fons Jansen (may God have his soul) [Fons Jansen was one of
the 'many' entertainers who are the son of a vicar]. Do we not stick to
this order, then we collide with mr B Zegers, the initiator of the Catholic
Reporting point against Discrimination.

This new anti-discrimination reporting point is established in Nijmegen,
the city of the Holy Land-foundation, the biblical open-air museum. There
were the catholic politicial mr A van Agt lived. (At the end of the
seventies the "Haagse Post" headlined an article about the prime minister
as "Living in the earshell of the Lord").

To the point. The "Katholiek Nieuwsblad" [Catholic Newspaper] mentioned the
establishment of the reporting point on the front page. Two days before, it
was April 1st [!!]. The reporting point is conceived by the foundation
'Support the Married' and one of its inventors is again mr B Zegers.

In the Katholiek Nieuwsblad of yesterday Zegers extensively explains how
and what. According to him there is a "tendency" in the Netherlands in an
increasing way to ridicule the catholic religious goods or to portray it as
superceded. And all this hurting remains unpenalized. The Katholiek
Nieuwsblad: "Because existing organisations such as the Anne Frank
foundation and local reporting points for discrimination don't do anything
in this respect for the catholic part of the people, the founding of a
separate reporting point has turned out to be necessary, according to
Zegers."

Mr Zegers now expects - thanks to his reporting point - that journalists
are less quickly tended to express themselves offending to roman-catholics.

It is De Volkskrant which is the direct lead to the foundation of Zegers'
reporting point. The London correspondent of de Volkskrant, Henk Strabbing,
wrote an article about the Irish abortion affair last month. Strabbing
wrote that an Irish was _infected_ [in the Dutch sense of the word, that
is] with catholicism. This phrase was reason for the foundation Support the
Married, i.e. mr Zegers, to file an official complaint against de
Volkskant for discrimination. The DA saw no reason to prosecute. Zegers:
"With a probablility boarding certainty one can say that the DA would have
prosecuted if it hadn't concerned catholics here, but jews or islamites."

Now there is a reporting point [sorry, I still don't have a better
translation for the word ;-) and my dictionary is lousy]. Entertainers and
journalists must take care with their jokes. Mr Zegers is alert. The
instigator of the evil, Henk Strabbing: "'to infect' is used here in season
and out of season. In the English speaking world you can be infected with
just about anything. I should have watched out, being infected means
something else in the Netherlands." [you can be infected with viruses,
bacteria, worms etc, and their associated illnesses, but not with anything
else I can think of.] Strabbing does not wish to be a Pontius Pilatus and
says: "I am not catholic. But there are catholics among my best friends!"

(Marcellus Petrus Maria van Lieshout) [clearly a catholic name ;-)]

As a side note, "de Volkskrant" used to be a catholic newspaper, until say
about 10-20 years ago.

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___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
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