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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:48 EST
From:         Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Plaintext version of MAIL/MAILBOOK docs? (Not SCRIPT)
              14 Dec 1992 13:35:03 CST from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

I didn't realize Script and Word was an either/or choice.  While I
understand the need for supporting the document using tools in another
environment besides native VM, I would be opposed to a document which I
can't adjust, format, and print in a VM-only shop.  If I need to go
borrow someone else's Mac to add an appendix to the MAILBOOK document,
life just got much harder for me.

I'm planning on putting in Script/ODF to try to give this particular
document (and some others I do) to my documenation coordinator in a
format she can use with most formatting intact.  However, MAILBOOK is a
VM tool and should be supported using VM facilities.

:esoapbox.

Nick

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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:02:38 EST
From:         "Peter M. Olson" <PO7005@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>

DEAR Users:

    A friend told me about this command:

 MAIL 'username' (NOLOG EDIT FILE fn ft fm NOPROMPT SUBJECT subject text

    He said that it would automatically send a file via mail without having
to enter mail.  My problem is that it won't fully execute, it makes me still
have to press SEND to send the mail.  Can someone elaborate on the problem, is
it bad syntax or bad logic?  Thanks in advance.

    Also can someone tell me what the TRACE command does, I can't find info
on the command in help.

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:12:43 EST
From:         Philip Tejera <PHIL@BARUCH.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Plaintext version of MAIL/MAILBOOK docs? (Not SCRIPT)
              11 Dec 1992 16:54:51 CST from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:54:51 CST Richard A. Schafer said:
>Would a Microsoft Word or WordPerfect version of the document be useful
>to many people?  In many ways, I'd *love* to be able to do the document
>with Word on my OS/2 machine instead of having to continue to work with
>SCRIPT.
>
Following Ben Chi's approach, I would suggest that no particular
format be chosen. Rather, use of (micro) DCA or other interchange format
would be the way to go. This would support almost all the features
available in the major and not-so-major word processing packages.
The only trick would be not to rely on fancy features in Word that
might not be supported by DCA (if there are any, I'm not a Word user).
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:49:22 CST
From:         Harriet L Coleman 312-996-2479 <U35049@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      another release

Richard Shafer mentioned in a late November note that
another release of Mail 92 would appear in about two
weeks.   Has there been any further word on that ?

   Harriet L. Coleman                            U35049@UICVM
   Systems Manager, Computer Center              U35049@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
   University of Illinois at Chicago             312-996-2479
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Organization: Rice University, Networking & Computing Systems
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:25:21 CST
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Address Resolution as a Separate Routine?
              10 Dec 1992 16:13:20 PST from <JSPARROW@UVVM.UVIC.CA>

On Thu, 10 Dec 1992 16:13:20 PST Joe Sparrow said:
>For totally different reasons, I too would love the name resolution
>routines to be separated from the main line code. We have an
>"institutional" NAMES file and access time to it is not "blindingly"
>fast. Would like to explore non-NAMEFIND alternatives and, by separating
>this chunk of the code out, would help a lot.

In the next version, the calls to NAMEFIND will be done under Address CMS,
instead of Address Command.  That change allows you to create a NAMEFIND
EXEC which takes the same syntax as NAMEFIND, but can call anything
you wish to actually do the lookup, yet avoids substantial overhead for
the vast majority of sites which will still use the standard NAMEFIND
command.

However, I'm not at all sure that this is what John Fuller was asking
for.  My interpretation of his request is for something more complicated.
John, if I was able to pull the code out which surrounded the namefind
calls, so that it handled the local.domain, etc. options, is that what
you need?  I may be able to do that, given some surrounding code which
you might have to write to supply those options.

Richard
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:39:23 EST
From:         Bill Williams <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: log w/o send

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:24:10 PST John Wical said:
>   Is there a way to create a note, have it logged in a notebook,
>have the noteindx updated, but not actually SEND the note?
>   Can this functionality be easily added?
>
>   I like to use notebooks to keep logs from various processes I work
>on. ...text deleted...
>
>   Has anyone else found a need for such functionality?
>   Has anyone else found a solution?
>   Any info is welcome!

Perhaps you might want to consider a solution which does not involve
your MUA: RiceMail.  It's a Mail User Agent, not a calendar /reminder
package nor a database package.
(See CALENDAR PACKAGE on your nearest VM-UTIL filelist/LISTSERV.)

I have "one line" reminders everytime I logon or reconnect while
GONE by using the abovementioned CALENDAR.
I track stuff by using LNAME and creating a custom screen and specific
'NAMES' file.  It is not difficult and you can have a "lname SCREEN'
type file which spans several physical screens.

Furthermore by using a 'NAMES' type file you can use NAMEFIND, LNAME,
and any other NAMES file type utility you have a database with a great
deal of flexibility.  Developing such a thing will probably take you
anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour!  (Remember: there's no rule that a
NAMES file has to have any specific tag such as :nick, :node, :userid,
etc.)

As a simple example of this I have a ROLODEX SCREEN I use with my
ROLODEX NAMES file as in:
    LNAME (FILE ROLODEX SCREEN ROLODEX
but to be honest, I'm lazy so I have the above command in file
ROLODEX EXEC.  The layout of the SCREEN file has a whole 'block'
for me to put notes concerning the entry.

It sounds like an LNAME SCREEN and NAMES file would be the ideal
solution for what you want to do.

 ---------------------------------------
   Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
    East
    Tennessee             (615) 929-6853
    State
    University        <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:35:19 EST
From:         Ken Bell <SYKLB@NASAGISS.BITNET>
Subject: Plaintext version of MAIL/MAILBOOK docs? (Not SCRIPT)

Does anyone have or know where to get plaintext versions of the
MAIL/MAILBOOK documentation files?  They are distributed as SCRIPT
source, presumably assuming that everybody has either VS or Waterloo
Script, but we have neither.  Basically, I've been asked to provide
a WordPerfect readable version of the files .. Thanks in advance for
any leads.

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:43:11 CST
From:         "John H. Fuller" <JFULLER@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Wish List, Continued...

Richard,
I apologize  for the  long-winded nature of  these postings.  If this
were better discussed off the list,  please let me know. (I'd shut up
about this  stuff, but I  can't keep  up with your  source changes!).

SUMMARY:  Additional wish list:  Flat file distribution lists and
          named distribution lists.

DETAILS:
1.  Flat file distribution lists.
The :list. tag  as implemented in the CMS names  file has some short-
comings, particularly  when working with long  distribution lists (we
have some  approaching 200 addressees).  Flat files are easy  to work
with and  keep track  of at  the local userid  level. CMS  names file
tags could be  included in the flat file via  ".tag value" strings If
we could decide on a default filetype for these, it's not a difficult
addition to MAILB00K.

2.  Name substitution for long lists.
Naturally, a good  network citizen does NOT send 200  copies of mail,
each  with  200   addressees  in  it.  Name   substitution  could  be
implmented as follows:

      If  a  distribution   list  has  a  name   associated  with  it
      ("Operations Staff", e.g.),  create a new TO:  address and make
      everyone in  the list  a BCC:  user. The  new TO:  userid could
      be the  sending userid  or a  userid that  serves as  a "pseudo
      distribution userid."  For example,  I created a  userid called
      "DISTLIST"  for this  purpose.  In this  example,  the new  TO:
      userid  becomes:
        To:     "Operations  Staff" <DISTLIST@UMINN1>
      and everyone else  becomes a BCC: addressee.  DISTLIST could be
      forwarded to a postmaster id, in case anyone really does try to
      communicate  with it.  (NOTE: I  modified MAILB00K  so that  it
      doesn't actually send  a copy of the outgoing  mail to DISTLIST
      and also  doesn't complain if  there is > 1  <DISTLIST@UMINN1>,
      since there may  be > 1 named lists.  This may  make me an  RFC
      criminal, but it seems to work.)

This may not be worth implementing, since it is currently straight-
forward to mail to oneself and make everyone else a BCC: userid.
But it is nice to be able to include ".name Operations Staff" in the
distribution list file or :name. tag and forget the details.

--------------
John H. Fuller
Computer Information & Services           USPS:  CIS
Phone:    (612)-624-7788                         50 Coffey Hall
Bitnet:   JFULLER@UMINN1                         1420 Eckles Ave.
Internet: JFULLER@VM1.SPCS.UMN.EDU               University of Minnesota
                                                 St. Paul, MN  55108
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:39:53 +0200
From:         "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>

On Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:02:38 EST Peter M. Olson said:
>    A friend told me about this command:
>
> MAIL 'username' (NOLOG EDIT FILE fn ft fm NOPROMPT SUBJECT subject text
>
>    He said that it would automatically send a file via mail without having
>to enter mail.  My problem is that it won't fully execute, it makes me still
>have to press SEND to send the mail.  Can someone elaborate on the problem, is
>it bad syntax or bad logic?  Thanks in advance.

Change the EDIT option to NOEDIT.  Also set the "Protect send" option (a Send
option) to "No" either via the Options menu or via 'SETMAIL PSEND NO' in a
MAILUSER XEDIT profile (see HELP MAIL PROFILE).

>    Also can someone tell me what the TRACE command does, I can't find info
>on the command in help.

There is an undocumented TRACE option on the MAIL/MAILBOOK command, and also a
TRACE subcommand.  These take as an argument any of the valid arguments of the
Rexx TRACE command and perform the same function to aid in the diagnosis of
problems in the logic.

- Lawrence
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:13:29 EST
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wish List, Continued...

>1.  Flat file distribution lists.
>2.  Name substitution for long lists.
Both of these problems go away if you use a Mail Transfer Agent to
support your list needs... this would seem to be the "purer" solution.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:00:31 EST
From:         Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Using Micro Mouse during VM Mail

Since many users are no longer on IBM 3270s these days, how can you
get a MAC, PC or Unix workstation to be able to use its mouse during
tn3270 (or is there something better!?) session to VM to run Mail 92?
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:19:34 CST
From:         G.Yanos@UIC.EDU
Subject: Re: Plaintext version of MAIL/MAILBOOK docs? (Not SCRIPT)

Ca'mon already.  If Script ain't adequate then use GML and if GML ain't
adequate use SGML.

We ain't got a lowest common denominator program and I hope we don't
get a lowest common denominator document to go with it.

Of course, first we have to resolve which low denominator is the
superlative.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:12:25 CST
From:         "John H. Fuller" <JFULLER@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Address Resolution as a Separate Routine?
              11 Dec 1992 11:25:21 CST from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

>
>However, I'm not at all sure that this is what John Fuller was asking
>for.  My interpretation of his request is for something more complicated.
>John, if I was able to pull the code out which surrounded the namefind
>calls, so that it handled the local.domain, etc. options, is that what
>you need?...
>
Richard,
  Your interpretation is correct.  I was asking for a way to pass a
parameter (nickname, userid...) to the routine and have the address
resolved exactly as RiceMail would, without the overhead associated
with invoking the main code, but taking into account all relevant RiceMail
option settings (local.domain, names, etc.), including the settings done
in the MAILSYS and MAILUSER routines.  The ultimate goal is to provide
RiceMail address resolution PROFS calendar lookup and meeting notices.

John
JFULLER@vm1.spcs.umn.edu
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:58:00 -0400
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From:         "Tom Flemming,
              McMaster University HSL" <TOMFLEM@HSCVAX.CSU.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      RE: Call for creativity

This may not sound very creative, but it is what we do in a very
similar situation.  We are officially closed between the Christmas and New
Year holidays; the university is closed, in fact.  In order to remain
open minimal hours for the convenience of the staff in the hospital in
which we are located, we hire students from our part-time budget (they
actually work for us, part-time throughout the year as well) and offer
only two services: 1) access to the collection; that is, the door is
open; you can come in and read if you want to, and 2) access to
Circulation services: if you have a valid borrower's card you can take
away whatever circulates.

That's it; no Information Services, or ILL, or anything else.  The CD-ROM
workstations are turned on daily, but if you need help, tough luck at this
time of year!  Staff work hard and deserve their holidays, uninterrupted by
demands for regular service at a time when most others are enjoying a
break.  Even those who care for patients during the holiday get their break,
and you can be sure that they don't come in and work when their turn
for holiday comes up!
........................................................................
Tom Flemming                Internet:  tomflem@HSCvax.csu.McMaster.ca
Head of Public Services     Bitnet:    tomflem@McMaster
Health Sciences Library     Envoy 100: mac.lib.hsl
McMaster University         LIFEnet:   TFLEMMIN@life.jsc.nasa.gov
1200 Main Street West
Hamilton, Ontario           (416) 525-9140   x2321      work
Canada   L8N 3Z5            (416) 527-2848              home
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:23:00 CST
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From:         "Susan Marks 335-5913 (319 University of Iowa Libraries)"
              <CADSMLTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      ALA Midwinter Discussion Group meeting

The Circulation/Access Services Discussion Group will be meeting in
Denver at our "usual" time --

             SUNDAY, JANUARY 24, 2 - 4 p.m.

We are planning a free-for-all session, but are hoping to add a little
initial "shape" to the discussion with topics suggested ahead of time by
you.  Will you please take the time to send us one or several questions
about concrete circulation or access services issues that you have been
pondering recently?  Please send them to Susan Marks by phone
(319-335-5913), e-mail (Internet:  susan-marks@uiowa.edu OR Bitnet:
cadsmlts@uiamvs.bitnet),  or U.S. mail  (Access Services, University of
Iowa Libraries, Iowa City, IA 52242) BY JANUARY 13, 1993.  Thanks much.

Looking forward to seeing you in Denver!

From Circulation/Access Services Discussion Group co-chairs Susan Marks
(Univ.  of Iowa) and Ellen Cordes (Yale).
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:08:42 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
              18 Dec 1992 12:34:49 -0600 from <rebrova@ALEXIA.LIS.UIUC.EDU>

I am one who interprets guidelines on commercial usage of the nets VERY
liberally....but the thing that was just posted to CIRCPLUS by MITEK
was so flagrant that I can not keep from commenting.   Please do NOT
post commercial advertisements on CIRCPLUS, CDROMLAN, ARIE-L, ADVANC-L
or POSTCARD.  I bet 98 percent of other listowners would also be MOST
unhappy with the flagrant advertisement.

dan (listowner of above lists)

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* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:39:16 EST
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From:         "Kathel Dunn" <kdunn@S850.MWC.EDU>
Subject:      Damaged materials

I have two questions:

1.      What policies do libraries have for books that are returned
damaged?  What sort of fine is assessed?  Do you have levels of fees --
from slight damage to total loss?

2.      How do you make these policies (privileges and responsibilities
of the library) known to library users?  Do you use Student and Faculty
Handbooks?  Do you make it available through an electronic format -- for
example, a campus network or online catalog?

I am new to the system, so if this has been discussed recently could
someone let me know the outcome of the discussion?
Thanks

Kathel Dunn
Mary Washington College
kdunn@s850.mwc.edu
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From:         "Loretta Klarenbach I.T.S.," <LKLARENB@UALTAVM.BITNET>
Subject:      graduation checks

From: Loretta Klarenbach               I.T.S.,
                                       Rm. 440, Cameron Library
                                       University of Alberta
At the U of Alberta, we work with the Registrar and for any student owing
more than $5.00, we withhold students marks, transcripts and also
prevent them from registering for the next semester.

The encumbrances are actually placed in the Registrar's file on a daily
basis.  When the fine is paid/waived, the encumbrance is lifted (daily
batch program).  This method also allows us to collect outstanding fines
from students withdrawing from the university.

Years ago we withheld at year end only, manual operation.  This is done
using file transfers therefore daily is no problem and catches more students.

                                       Loretta(403)492-5282
___________________________________lklarenb@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca
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Subject: Call for creativity
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:26:44 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

I think that people working on days when the rest of an organization (uni-
versity) have off should be compensated at time and a half even if the half
day is given "off the book." This should particularly be the case on "snow"
days when, at least at our university (Marquette), staff is paid for the 
day but do not work. Those who do are allowed to take another day off later.
Big deal! How about being rewarded rather than simply being given what less 
"dedicated" staff get anyway. How about a day and a half off. Better yet, 
how about an extra hald day's pay?
Steven Blackwood
Marquette University
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:41:37 CST
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From:         Tony New <NEW@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Thanks! Re: Reserve Max Fines

This is just to thank all those who responded to our request for
information concerning the "Maximum amounts on Reserve Fines".

In summary:

The fine limits were bunched in two groupings.  One around $15 and
the second around $50.   Two replys reported having no fine ceiling
at all.

Thanks again for the information.

--------------------------------------
Tony New
Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Circulation/Reserves
NEW@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU
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