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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: circ on older baby
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:07:09 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <30076@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:

> So, your religion told you to mutilate your infant, and your doctor told you
> it wouldn't hurt. And you believed them. I don't wish to be offensive, but
> did it not occur to you to use your *own* mind at any stage in the 
> proceedings?

I do not believe for a MINUTE that you didn't intend your message to be
offensive! What a jerk!

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Dennis.Ingram@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:57:56 GMT

In New Zealand, a couple of years ago there was a study directed at
reducing the number of cot deaths in this country.  This used
statistics to attempt to find correlating factors between the
environmental factors in reported SIDS cases.  The correlations were
so clear that a nationwide advertising campaign was launched to inform
parents about the results.  The message given was to follow these 4
rules, to reduce the chances of cot death:

1. Lay baby down on his/her back to sleep

2. Parents who smoke increase the risk of cot death

3. It is better to breast-feed your baby if possible

4. Babies should not share a bed with their parents.

This was remarkably effective.  New Zealand used to have one of the
highest SIDS rates in the developed world, it now has one of the
lowest.  The change was most noticable in the south, where there was a
tradition of laying babies down to sleep on their stomach.  The sleep
postion was originally recommended to be on the babies side or back,
this was later changed to the back only, as babies can easily roll on
to their front.  I think that the original reason that the stomach
postion came into vogue here was the thought that babies could spit up
and choke.  The study here seemed to indicate that the risk of this is
less that the risk from cot death.  Our son Alex always showed a
preference for sleeping on his back anyway; we originally worried about
choking but he never showed any discomfit.

I hope this is of interest to you.

Regards,
Dennis Ingram
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Planning babies
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



The number of things you could consider are endless, and I think it
probably all evens out in the end, but here goes:

Possible weather conditions when you start labor.
Having all the birthdays close together.
the weather when you're out on maternity leave.
What season's maternity clothes you have.
Swelling during summer pregnancies.
Age difference between youngest and oldest.
How long do you want your second to be able to have the crib.
Season of newborn babyclothes you have now.
Having a newborn during the cold and flu season.
How often do you and your husband get sick in the winter.

Hope it helps.

Lynn Cooper
Mom to Melissa, born Oct 7, 1990 (beautiful weather on maternity lv)
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Planning babies
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:52:04 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1993Jan5.135236.14284@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> No, Tamara, I too can't really understand the toilet training goal in spacing. 
> ....
> So no, I don't see pinning family planning on the older being fully trained
> unless you are thinking of a big gap.

A big gap sounds a lot better to me than throwing up every time the older
child has a dirty diaper! When I was pregnant, every slightly bad smell
increased my nausea drastically. My husband's taking over every noisome
task was the only reason why I didn't vomit constantly.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:33:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <2470@gandalf.intel.com> linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
>
long article about the "Home Alone" case deleted...

>Right after the story broke, I heard that the Grandmother had told police that
>she offered to watch the two girls but the parents told her they had already
>made other arrangements.  Any one else hear this?  
>
According to a report in the San Jose Mercury News, the same
Grandmother picked them up after they had been in a foster home for 24
hours after being discovered, took them home with her for 24 hours and
then returned them to the police, saying that "the children were just
too much to deal with".  Perhaps the Schoos were just raising their
kids the same way they'd been raised.
In a related article a 19 year old man is claiming that Sharon Schoo
is his birth mother who gave him up for adoption when he was 4 years
old, because "he was just too much to deal with".
Something to think about the next time someone mentions that they're
not sure if they want to have kids or not, and you're about to give
them the great sales pitch about the joys of parenthood.  There's
already a lot of societal pressure for people to have kids.  The
Schoo case is one very sad example of why not everybody *should* be
parents.
nvv

kid

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge)
Subject: Re: Family safety (Was Re: How to protect your
Reply-To: tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:43:18 GMT

In article 1M6z@austin.ibm.com, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>
>snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:
>
>> Issue #1 family safety:
>> Suppose you were driving alone on a poorly lit street, no other cars and
>> suddenly an unmarked car pulls up behind you and flashes a red light.
>> Do you pull over just cause of a red light?  Do you keep driving at or
>> below the speed limit to a crowded and well lit place first?
>
>Not sure what the cop would think, but I'd go for the 2nd option (stopping
>in a crowded/well-lit place).
>
>Anyone know what the "legal" take on this is?
>
>Craig

Long ago (in the 60's) my mom was stopped by a uniformed policeman in a marked car in
a somewhat desolate area.  The cop only really wanted her phone number.  She got out
of what could have been a bad situation and called the local police station.  They told
her that she should only stop (when signalled by the police) in a place that made her
comfortable, like a gas station.  They told her that as a woman travelling alone she
should watch out for herself and any police officer who couldn't agree to that might
not have her best interests at heart.

So, I was raised with the idea that you don't just pull over when I cop wants you to,
you go to safe spot if you're by yourself.  Don't know anything about the legality of
it all, but if they give you a hard time about it, you could try and use the above
reason.

-teresa



---
  Teresa L. Hollidge
  Methodologies, Tools and Infrastructure
  Strategic Informations Systems Division
  Pacific Bell
  2600 Camino Ramon, Room 4N250Z	phone: (510)823-6798
  San Ramon, California 94583		e-mail: tlholli@zeus.srv.pacbell.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: These are my opinions.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:54:56 GMT

In article <1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>In article <dlhanson.26.726174156@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com 
>(David L. Hanson) writes:
>> This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago (not
>> by me). I believe that it contains valuable information to help all parents
>> to protect their family from the State. 
>
>[amazing work of paranoia omitted]
>
>*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
>so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
>his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
>they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!
>
I didn't write it but it is an aid to those families who wish to guard their
liberties and rights.  I became aware of State Gestapo-like tactics through
the reading of material on the persecution of home school families in
Nebraska and Ohio (these occured 10 or so years ago but similiar events still
occur today).  Also, the harassment and persecution of some family friends
for spanking their children brought the subject very close to home. 

I see State interference into family life through the public socialist system
and government agencies to be an intolerable intrusion into individual
liberty and freedom.  THE STATE DOES NOT OWN THE CHILDREN, they are given
to parents by God.

>It makes you wonder, doesn't it?
>
It makes me wonder how millions of our citizens allow their liberties to
be stripped away with not even as much as a 'bleat'.

>(I hope that posting this doesn't make me a target for somebody who is
>dangerously insane.)
>
Don't worry about me; save your worries for the State.  

Signature follows:
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God,
and there is none else"  Isaiah 45:22
=========================================================================
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Amoco Corporation     X.400    --> A=attmail,P=amoco,S=Hanson,G=David,I=L
Any opinions expressed are my own!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: child sex predictor (vietnamese)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:48:33 GMT

One point...how do people know which MONTH they conceived in?  Not counting
unplanned or questionable dated pregnancies...my last period was 2/17/92..
(side point..wow a YEAR without periods!  too bad you have to be pregnant
to achieve that! ;-) )

So day 14 of my cycle was 3/2/92...leap year and all.  SOOOO since ovulation
can be irregular, I could have conceived in either February or March.  
By both charts my child could be either a boy or girl. 

If someone happened to conceive around a birthday, the Chinese method
would also be questionable.
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Age to be left alone (was: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:42:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
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In article <C0rDF2.B7B@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>
>I'm another one who was left home alone a lot at a young age.  
>There were four of us.  My brother is one year older than I, my 
>sister 3 years younger and my little brother 5 years younger.  
>Unbelievable things would go on.  You name it.  I've heard about 
>the same things happening in other homes with working parents.
>
>From at least 6th grade on (how old are you in 6th grade?) I would
>have to watch the younger two after school.  (My older brother 
>would usually take off and play with his friends.)  They never 
>behaved, or paid any attention to me, so it was a real headache.  I also 
>had to make dinner, do the breakfast dishes, make everyone's 
>lunch for the next day, throw in the laundry, pick up, dust and 
>run the vacuum, plus take my turn at dishes.  So basically I 
>would get home from school and work until my parents got home.
>
>I hated it.  I still resent it.  I would never do that to one of 
>my kids.
>
Chiming in... My widowed mother had no choice but to work full-time
outside the home, and she was too poor to afford a sitter.  We knew
our neighbors, but we didn't have a network of neighbors or
extended family.  Instead, my older sister (2.5 years older than me
and my twin) was in charge of us and making dinner for all of us (my
mother had an hour's commute from the city each way).  My older
brother (3.5 years older than me) was responsible for zilch, except,
perhaps, for torturing his three younger sisters :-).  I was in
charge of vacuuming from the time I was about 7, and laundry and
ironing from age 9 on.  Unlike Peggy's younger siblings, my sister
and I behaved fairly well and pitched in, but that might have been
more of a cultural bias than a maturity bias.  

However, it wasn't until I moved out of my mother's home that I
realized how my older sister was robbed of her childhood.  I still
feel sorry for her to this day, and I will certainly try to avoid
burdening my kid(s) with such awesome responsibilities at such tender
ages.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Canine Companions for Independence - CALENDAR!!!!!
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Happy new year, everybody!
 
I am so proud to tell you all about the *beautiful* Canine Companions
for Independence 1993 calendar which has my wonderfully handsome,
12 (now he's 13) year old cousin on its cover, and as the August
picture!  Charlie, and his companion Quetzal both look great!!!!!!!
 
Charlie has Muscular Dystrophy.  He is confined to a motorized scooter
now, and Quetzal helps him tremendously.  These dogs are really great
companions, friends, and helpers to the people they aid.
 
If you are interested in getting more information regarding CCI, you
can write me (my knowledge is limited but I have contacts) or you
can call 1-800-767-BARK.  If you don't have a calendar yet for this
new year, please consider getting this one through CCI to help them
and to enjoy some really touching photographs throughout the year.
It features some very special people and dogs.
 
I'm proud of you, Charlie.
 
TAMARA
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From: jbouwens@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Judy Bouwens)
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:00:36 GMT

In article <1iinuuINNdpo@rave.larc.nasa.gov> lisa@elc11.icase.edu (Lisa A. Leutenegger) writes:
>As Alex nears his 5 month birthday I have a few questions:
>
>3)  Are we the only parents around that don't change our baby into
>    pajamas before putting him to bed?  We just leave him in whatever
>    he wore during the day (if it is clean and dry).  He also wears
>    his blanket sleepers during the day.  I suppose someday we will
>    need to seperate his clothes into day and night but now they all
>    pretty much look alike - one piece things with or without feet.
>    Is Alex going to grow up confused by not being exposed to this
>    clothing change ritual at the tender young age of 5 months?
>
>			---lisa  (mom to Alex - 8/14/92)

Pajamas for children are required to be flame retardant and regular clothes
are not.  I almost always put my kids to bed wearing pajamas.

... judy


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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan5.232058.410@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes...
>In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.181724.8075@oracle.us.oracle.com>, shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...
>>
>>My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
>>and I'm agnostic.
>>
>>Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
>>sort, with participation by godparents.  
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>- Peggy -
> 
>I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
>indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
>any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
>child's life?
> 
>(Which is a different issue from wanting to have a formal
>non-religious ceremony of some kind on the birth of a child.)
> 
>Elise.

Perhaps "godparents" is not the most accurate term, but the 
closest commonly used term for what we want.  We want to 
recognize "godparents" as having a special place in relation to 
our child.

Regarding why?  I'm a very gnostic agnostic and often find 
meaning in religous (or other) rituals.  Although my husband is 
atheist, he is a deeply spiritual person (human spirit, not god 
spirit):) and feels its important to recognize human 
stages/events with ritual.

- Peggy -
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Vivonex/Tolerex as an infant formula
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:27:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <93009.122529FDMWINK@UCF1VM.BITNET> <FDMWINK@UCF1VM.BITNET> "Diane M. Wink" writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.190116.26068@cs.ucla.edu>, tiff@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tiffany
>Frazier) says:
>>story ... I have at least one _major_ concern with this treatment.
>>Vivonex derives a mere 2.5% percent of its calories from fat.  Contrast
>>this with the following _baby_ formulas: Nutramigen = 35%, Isomil (soy):
>>48%, and Similac (cow): 49%.  It is my understanding that the crucial
>>time for myelination (sp?) in the brain is in the first two years of life
>>AND that *fat in the diet is crucial to this process*.  A 20-fold difference
>>between Vivonex and the "popular" baby formulas I find highly distressing!
>
>You raise some important questions.  I suggest you bring up the fat content
>issue with your physician the next time you see her (soon I hope).
>I also suggest you ask about use of Pregestimil (Mead Johnson) or Alimentum
>(Ross Labs).  Both are casein hydrolysate formulas with most of the
>protein in the form of amino acids (more than in Nutramigen).
>The fat source in Pregestimil is corn oil and MCT oil (medium chain tri-
>glycerides) and the fat in Alimentum is MCT oil, oleic oil and soy oil.
>Based on your infant's history, Pregestimil may be the best choice.
>
How did you figure out the % calories from fat?  I just started
my son on Alimentum (our doctor said choose Nutramigen, Pregestimil or
Alimentum - whichever was available at the store - could only
find Alimentum).  It contains 5.54g of fat per 100 calories.
So, do you multiply 5.54 x 9 (9 calories/gram of fat?) to get
almost 50% calories from fat?  

Our doctor said we needed to use the new formulaa for 7-10 days
to really see if it made a difference (guess that is how long
Kevin really needed to be off the old formula to see a difference)
After 4 days on the new formula, he has begun sleeping through
the night, "healthy" looking stools, and much improved "snotty" nose.

Now, if I could just find the Alimentum in powder form or at least
concentrate.  Anyone know if it is available somewhere in the SF
bay area?

Thanks

Valerie

>Diane M. Wink, EdD RN,C      **INTERNET** FDMWINK@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU
>Family Systems Coordinator     **VOICE**  (407) 823-2744
>Department of Nursing, College of Health & Public Affairs
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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Disposables question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:58:00 GMT

>> > cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>> >How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>> >disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?
>> 
Disposables make a crinkly noise when dry that goes away the
wetter they become. Hard to describe the noise over the net, but
listen to a baby in a newly changed diaper.
                                  Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Biting :-(
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:02:14 GMT

In article <29454@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>Toddlers bite toddlers all the time, right?  Well, this time it was
>my son who was the biter :-(.  I'm not sure the daycare provider and
>I handled it right.  Let's talk about it, so if there's a repeat, we
>can handle it right this time.
...
>Now, I'm wondering if I made too big a deal over it.  Should I have
>just let Jane handle the incident, and not make a big deal over it?
> Does this "reward" the behavior with too much attention? How do you
>draw the line between emphasizing that a certain behavior is very bad,
>and should not be repeated, and "rewarding" the wrong sort of behavior
>by paying too much attention to it? What if it happens again :-(? I
>prefer to discipline with logical consequences - what is the logical
>consequence for biting?

I am parent of a 2.5 years old who recently was bit but never was a biter.
So I don't have direct experience either.  

You did what I think I would have done.  I don't think I would go as far as
spanking.  I think telling him it's bad, taking away privileges, and time
out probably were severe enough.  Was it too much attention?  Who knows. 
Every child is different.  I believe it's safe to say that some respond to
this kind of attention better.  As to whether this should be left for the
caretaker to handle alone or the parents should be involved, I would
like to be involved and let my child know that I, too, disapprove.  I, too, 
believe I am responsible to some of my 'normal' child's behavior. 

You never know whether he would bite again.  I guess I'll probably just leave
it as that and hope he would not try again.  

Wen-lin 
-- 
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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Precocious 7.5 month old (sort-of Cute Things They Say)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:47:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.180646.26588@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>My husband swears that our precocious  7.5 month old called her cousin
>by name, "Cat".  That night, she said "Dad" so clearly in her sleep that
>my husband thought I was calling him.

Well, I hate to be a spoiled sport about this but -

Jeffrey was a bit older then this when I realized he was talking quite a lot.
He would repeat short phrases, etc. Wow! was I impressed. The phase lasted a
month, and then he turned his energies into other things. By one year my
prodigious talker could say exactly one word - "BALL", which he would repeat
10 times for every round object he would see. This meant he was talking
constantly at 12 months, but the conversation had limited possibilies ;-)

Laura Floom