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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson quote (good for a nervous laugh)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:10:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <16353@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>
> Religous broadcaster Pat Robertson, who is always good for a laugh, is
>
>How can anybody take this guy seriously??
>
>Richard
>(Tuneweaver)

	Yet pepole do.  Sorry I'm feeling so gloomy today, folks, but I'm
getting nervous about this election.

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|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu |                -me      |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
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From: arcane.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: South Florida - Hurricane Andrew >>> Thanks for your Support!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:33:18 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton



 Greetings from S. Florida (After the Storm)

  I just wanted to THANK all of you who sent assistance (be it directed
energy, Earth prayers, etc...) !!!

  Also, I should mention now, that about a month ago I was feeling some 
pretty strange stuff (and checking with a few of my Net pen pals) that 
there was a "storm" comming. I did not take it as literally as perhaps I 
should! (grin) ... however, it opens up a whole new venue of 
possibility...that is Psychic and Magical energies are produced THAT far 
in advance of a major Event .....: a Psychic Storm Watch ???

  Think on it .... I'd like to hear your ideas on this concept, perhaps 
it is time we made our move, back into society.


                      "Our world is what WE make it"


                             -< ARCANE >-
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:22:47 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <c2B5PB4w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
writes:
>cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>[...]
>> Dunno.  I remember Archie Bunker saying that the way to keep hijacking
>> from happening was to pass out guns to everybody onthe plane.  This
>> sounds similar.  If I need to keep a death-dealing device at my side at
>> alltimes to insure that I don't get my rights taken away, I'm slitting
>> my wrists right now.  The next life (if there is one) must be better
>> than having to live like that.
>
>In the SCA we are rather fond of a saying (don't know who said it 
>though):
>   "An armed society is a polite society."

That was Robert Heinlein that said that...

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  Just another commentary on the sad state of affairs on our nation today.
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:43:14 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Aug26.215337.8045@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
>bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
>> Is Janis moving to Canada??  ;)  
>
>If so, then Canada will become a much better place!  And California
>will be much much poorer.
>
>Blessings!
>
>		-- radzy

	Well, I was referring to her (joking, I hope) comment on slitting
her wrists, if she needed a weapon to survive around here.  But what you
say about Canada's gain has more than a slight ring of truth.  I just hope
she can get net.access in Canada, so WE don't have to do without.  :)

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|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu |                -me      |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New pagans and reading
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:05:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> 
> 
> I've noticed a number of people telling people interested in 
> paganism to go and read.  This is very true, but perhaps we
> should get some suggestions.  I don't know about the rest of

I'm in the middle of a great book I checked out of the UC Davis
library (!): "Voices of the Goddess: A chorus of sybils". It's a
collection of personal histories of priestesses in various
traditions. Very compelling reading, occasionally disturbing,
but often wonderful and empowering.  The collection is edited
by Caitlin Matthews, I believe.

Richard
(Tuneweaver)
From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:18:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.153741.18951@honte.uleth.ca>
proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca (Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately) writes:

>
>In article <22657@sybase.sybase.com>, leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
>writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.154314.26798@u.washington.edu>
>rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:
>>>I'm curious:  has anyone read Elizabeth Moon's _Deed of Paksenarrion_?
>>>Does it count as pagan fiction?
>>>
>>>--LeGrand
>>
>>I read it, and I really liked it.  It's certainly as Pagan as some of
>>the other stuff that's been proposed here.  Don't read the second book
>>unless you have the third one right there, though!  Highly depressing
>>otherwise...
>>
>Oh yeah, I've never seen anyone drag the Hero/ine down that far - when I reread
>the series I'm always tempted to skip the end of D.A.
>(Sorry to inturupt here - i'm a certified lurker, but I really like the series)
I really thought it was a great series and though I was a little surprised at
just how far Moon took the story, I think anyone interested could easily skip
that part it their stomach was a little on the weak side.

I haven't caught all of this thread, but has anyone mentioned the Spider series
by W. Michael Gear.  The Titles are Warriors of Spider, The Web of Spider,
and and something else that I can't recall just this moment.
  Gear's series is Science Fiction but with heavy doses of Native American
Spirituality.  Like the Moon trilogy, some parts are graphic, but anyone who
enjoyed the Moon's work would probably like these.  The female characters
are very well done and do a good job of expressing the hostility many of of
feel in today's society.

Nancy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Pagan music
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:53:45 GMT

canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson) writes:
> Ben's hanging out with his Dad ....  I'll pass along your thanks
> if I run into him....

Thanks, Carl!


radzy@icsi.berkeley.edu (me) said:
> > [Heather Alexander]'s also doing something on September 5th (Saturday)
> > in Portland Oregon, along with Tempest.

canders commented:
> Heck!  I'll be in San Francisco then - maybe I could swing up and
> see the show ... hmmm ...

It's a LOOOONG drive from SF to Portland!  What is it -- 14? 16? hours.
Anyone done it recently and want to comment?

But it *will* be worth a bit of effort -- both Heather and Tempest are
GREAT!

> >She also has tapes for sale.  Her "Midsummer" tape is wonderful.  She
> >was lead singer in the group Phoenyx, and their album _Keepers_Of_The_Flame_
> >is pretty good too.
> 
> Where does one get the Midsummer tape?

You can write to:
	Sea Fire Productions
	PO Box 875
	Moss Beach, CA
	94038  USA

I think the Midsummer tape is $10 US.  If you include a check and
a note saying you want Midsummer, then they ship pretty quickly.

Blessings!

		-- radzy
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Scott Mayo no longer on Net
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:43:10 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Aug26.150526.17287@lmt.mn.org>, ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org
(Ciaran Benson) writes:
<Quoted material deleted for bandwidth's sake>

<More deleted to save bandwidth>

>  I hardly think that responding to an accusation that your
>beliefs are WRONG indicates a "one true way" attitude.

Maybe I'm missing something completely, but I fail to see how someone who is
proclaiming all other beleifs to be WRONG could NOT beleive in a "one true
way."  If I'm missing something, or just misunderstanding, please correct me!

>  Janis complained about discrimination and got flamed for
>advocating discrimination.

As one of the primary opponents to Janis's talk on discrimination, I was *NOT*
attempting to flame her, or tell her that her beleifs are *wrong*.  I was
simply attempting to state that I disagreed with a bunch of what she said, more
because of the way it was said, than anything else.  Flamming all W/M/H and
then ducking behind generalizations and saying "No, not YOU" seemed to be just
plain offensive...

>  I complained about being told that my religion's not
>"real" and got flamed for religious bigotry.

I must have missed the origional comment with flammes in return, but I for one
wholly support you in this!

>  This network's SWIMMING with people who tried to point
>out a wrong and got flamed for their efforts -- usually getting
>accused of doing exactly what they're trying to defend
>themselves from.
>
>  Fighting for your civil rights is NOT reverse discrimination.

Agreed.  But a fight for civil rights *CAN* be reverse discrimination when a
person decides that the pendulum has to be swung past the middly-point.

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From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: your survey garbage
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:42:03 GMT

70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
> if you decide
> to mount this campain, I'll contact the provider you are connected through
> and seek monitary damages.  Five other people tried your tactics from
> university computers.  Their accounts have been terminated.

Oh, bovine excrement.  Prove it: names, dates, university officials.  If you 
can't, we have to assume that you're just blowing smoke.

> If you want to load my mailbox and try to run up an E-Mail bill, go ahead
> and waste your time, I won't open your mail, I'll capture your ID, write
> your system administrator (if that's you, the System Owner by snail mail),
> and attempt to have your account terminated.  NIC has all the information
> I need.

You highly overestimate your own importance.  Getting flamed because you 
posted something idiotic is hardly grounds for complaint.  If anything, it's 
a time-honored tradition.  The only thing, generally speaking, that can 
result in someone losing access to Usenet is direct criminal action.  The NIC 
couldn't care less.  Most sysadmins couldn't care less (and many would 
actually laugh in your face).  Telling people how much you'll retaliate if 
they keep flaming you amounts to, at best, masturbating in front of your 
computer.  You could, of course, ask CompuServe to turn of Internet access 
for your account.  That would keep your email bill under control...

Get a grip.


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Going to Iceland (or elsewhere)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:58:00 GMT

What language do they speak in Iceland?

--Tammy--
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Eyes (was Re: Chocolate (was Re: "gangway, folx"))
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:13:00 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <w3iFqB2w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>
>> Well, dammit, I guess we can finally wrap up that nagging P/pagan
>> definition question, as we've conclusively found the rule:
>>
>>    ALL PAGANS HAVE EYES LIKE JANIS' EYES.
>>
>> This means of course, there will be those who continue to argue,
>> and we can all agree that THOSE people are pretty frivolous.
>>
>> And likewise, we can expect those false P/pagans with the Janis-
>> colored contact lenses, those terrible pseudo-pagans.
>>
>> Thank the God/Goddess for the TRUE, CORRECT eye color!!
>>
>> Blessings to all like-eye-colored P/pagans only, (those with mundane
>> eyes can burn in the seventh Tibetan Hell (where they peel out your
>> un-god-like eyes and replace them with cold aggies.))
>
>*ahem*  my eyes are BLUE.  are you implying i am not a pagan?  how DARE you,
>sir!
>
>B) for the smiley-impaired...
>
>                                             -ailsa
>

ailsa,

You should know that I'm always willing to make an exception for you,
even if your eyes are the wrong color...   :-)

Besides, my eye color changes depending on my mood, so I suppose I drift
in and out of being a pagan.

Blessings,

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: here's something you won't like
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:04:40 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <wPmcqB5w165w@drc.UUCP>, alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard) writes:
>24/27        [1] Networked  Circle of the Goddess
>Title:       Meetings
>Date:        Thu Aug 27, 1992 18:15
>Origin:      The Pool of Radiance (Pennsylvania) [412-378-2165]
>From:        Rogue X #33 @4125 VirtualNET
> 
>I am in DESPERATE need of any info on any meetings or something on 
>October 31
>in Sewickley, Pa... I need to get in touch with the "leader" or person 
>that's getting everything together because of a planned extremely violent 
>attack on them that day... ANY info would be greatly appreciated
> 
>                 The Pool of Radiance v3.2  (412) 378-2165
>                  Virtual Net #4125    Near Aliquippa, PA

Maybe I just tend to the paranoid side of things, but I for one would
definatley be hesitant to give this person ANY information.  Odds are just as
good as not that s/he is on the side that plans on doing the harm!  Why not
just give out any information s/he has publically so we all can beware, and
pass on the word...

Just my opnion though, take it as you will.  Your milage may vary.

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: info wanted on runes
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:25:29 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <23026@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
>Some of
>the stuff is outright forgery, though clever -- specifically material by
>Iolo Morgannwg; beware of him and all who subsequently quoted him as
>gospel (his book BARDDAS is the one to watch for).
>
>(Parenthetical, but long, aside: Iolo, while doing Celtic scholarship a
>disservice, actually did a great deal for Welsh nationalism.  There
>would be no modern Eisteddfodd without him, and he was a skilled
>ritualist and poet.  Read his stuff for its own sake, not because it is
>the Revealed Truth of the Ancient Welsh Bards (because it's not).)

	Truly, Iolo was full of it (though he meant well, I'm sure).  He is
fun reading though, as you say.  Personally, I use is stuff as source
material for role-playing games :)

>Thanks, by the way, to you and Carl for your thoughtful and relevant
>posts.  Very refreshing, much more like I remember the old Paganism list
>being.

	Ah, to be free of the flamefest!
	Well, heck I just post what I know about - and this is one of the
few things a major in Folklore and Mythology lets me do!  Ah doant know
nuthin abowt no 'soshul justiss', so Ah reckon Ah'll stick to whut Ah know.

Cheers,
Carl

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Talking to Grandma (was Re: Templars not Masons)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:42:00 GMT

> 
>  It does make me want to sit down with my Grandmother and talk
>with her ALOT about what happened when she was smuggled out of
>Lithuania, and what she remembers about life there.
> 
>  All she's told me about it is the trouble they had with the
>church trying to get out, and a few tidbits about magic.
> 

I'd advise this to everyone I meet.  As genealogist I've learned
that everyone has a valuable story, especially the elders.
Problem is that once their gone the story is gone, kaput.

Talk to your elders *TODAY*.  Write down their stories, tales,
remembrances etcetera.  I can't tell you what it is like to
read remembrances of my ancestors taken strait from their
mouth.  

I have this distant grandfather who was one of 27 survivors
of Goliad. (For those not Texans out there that was a battle
during the Texas Revolution back in 1835 were over 300 Texans
were executed.)  Someone took the time to get his story of his
escape.  The thrill that went through me when reading that was
better than any drug anybody has ever come up with.

Elders have a lot to teach us too.  We pagans should know how
fragile the verbal tale is.  Also with our fast pace generation
how many people listen and repeat to others who will listen?

Please don't let your grandmother take those stories to her
grave!!!!

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: a reply
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:42:09 GMT

***jesus saves**** as does any one who cares enufe about utheres to put them
befor there own safty.


ELF-KIN
From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Masons/Knights Templar
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:59:34 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <ZPNBqB4w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson) writes:
>I have also read that the Masons are descendents of the Knights Templar.  
>They are Luciferians (note that is NOT the Christian SATAN).  They are a 
>very pagan organization, or at least were.  I know my Father and my very 
>christian Uncle are both members of the Masons.  My uncle was 32nd Level 
>Mason, yet, doesn't realize that the Masons are NOT christian.   My 
>father doesn't know that it's a pagan organization (or was).  I wonder of 
>(of=if) all masons are as blind as this, or are there some "real" masons 
>out there?

My father, a Unitarian Universalist minister, and my husband, a neopagan
priest (Crystal Winds/eclectic trad), are both Masons, and neither of them
are christians.  I know a whole lodge of Jewish masons (some non-jews for
spice, but 95%+ jewish) in the Boston area.  There are masonic lodges that
are composed of moslems in the middle east.

The only religious requirement of a masonic lodge is that there be a Book
of Holy Law (I think that's the phrase) on a podium in the ritual space.
And the only religious requirement of a mason is that he acknowledge the
existance of a Supreme Being (i.e. deist, more than theist).

I really doubt the masons are "luciferian" in any religious sense...

-- 
Shava Nerad Averett				shava_averett@unc.edu
/*  all materials (c)1992, Shava Nerad Averett, and have nothing significant
    to do with the University of North Carolina, a mostly owned subsidiary 
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bcushman@nextweek.Reed.Edu (Ben Cushman)
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <was: Re: Who/what is Baphomet?>
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:07:01 GMT

In article <BtqCJM.Ezo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A.  
Davis-Howe) writes:
> altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
> 
> >A number of Templar gravesites have been found in Scotland, and their  
is 
> >fair evidence that at the very least they were influential in the  
Masonic
> >Temple, and participated in a number of battles against the English.
> 
> Umm, Masonry didn't exist back then, according to all the scholarship  
I've 
> seen which is not obviously conspiracy theory.  Eddie, can you help us  
out
> with a date for the origins of Masonry?
> 
>               Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
>                                Br'anArthur
> 
> Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

	True-- the Masons didn't exist until around 500 years after the  
Knights Templar were officially disbanded.  That, however, is not to say  
that the Masonic Tradition is not, in part, inspired from Templar History.   
In fact, Masons trace part of there origin back to the Templars, and some  
Masonic ranks are reminiscent of Templar ranks, traditions and  
aspirations.  (I don't have my copy of Morals and Dogma with me, and I  
haven't memorized it yet, but I would be glad to answer specific questions  
regarding this issue that interested persons e-mail to me (: )

					Ben Cushman