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From: GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: Re: Pro-clinton/gore rhetoric, or simply an appeal for decency?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:16:14 GMT
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> I take it you come down on the incapacitation side in this issue?
> (meaning) that those who want guarantees of 'rehabilitation'
> believe that it is not possible (and guaranteed rehab is definitely not)
> and would prefer to have the 'criminal' kept ... locked up.

No.  I can't "come down" on the side of an issue on incomplete
information.  In 1988 George Bush's ads ripped Dukakis for letting
dangerous criminals loose.  I never saw the Horton ad; I did see the
revolving door ad several times.  Lost in the furor over the "racist"
subtext of the Horton ad was anything resembling a discussion of the
merits of early release.  Perhaps a specialist in criminal justice
can send me and other readers to the sources.

Steve Karlson
The cheesehead stands alone.
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I applaud your initiative.  One of the ironies of the Horton affair is that
such programs are(were) encouraged by the FEDS, and that the Federal
Coorections System does a lot of it.

JAG
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
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> >> Re Rigoletto:  amazingly wonderful production of this opera last
> >> year on PBS, done by what's-his-name in London who does the updated
> >                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> opera stuff....  A really remarkable production, with everything
> >
> >Responding to my own post in my best metatextual fashion, I will
> >guess:  Jonthan Miller   (??????)  Anybody know for sure?
> >--ggs
> My guess was Peter Sellars, but that's not a "for sure" at all...
>
> judith

I think, of the three productions, Rigoletto, Giovanni, and Tutti,
Sellars did two and Miller did one... but not sure which.  Now I
have to go look at my tapes to see.  I *do* have tapes, since I
find it as difficult to erase tapes as to delete old e-mail.
Recycle everything *except* that kind of stuff.
--ggs (who has about 400 movies on tape and can't get rid of them)
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Subject: Re: Tonight's ghastly debate.
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:20:14 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992, (Graham Toal) wrote:
> Gore came across as a professional politician (no, I don't mean that as
> a compliment) who would make a good VP - a job that I think it was your
> FDR who said was worth 'a jug of spit'.  I was disappointed in his stance
> on health which sounded more right-wing than our Tory party.
>
I think it was Vice- President John Nance Garner who said that...and I
believe it was "a jug of warm spit."  Not too appetizing...but then
neither is the Vice-Presidency.
ndh
From: gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Lurking
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:53:29 GMT
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On Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:35:26 -0500, "Anne Burton Harwell" <harwell@TENET.EDU>
 wrote:
> > the moment and I just LOVE to talk. Graham just happened to introduce a
> > topic that I had some experience with, which allowed me to slip in
 'politely'.
> > My 'Mum' taught me 'good manners'. :-)
>
> He's been *told* again and again not to do that.

Oh, I'll let anybody slip in if they ask me nicely.

G
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   Ah, Senor "Ragtime Cowboy Juan", you wan' to make fight weeth thees
   pobre senor, eh? Por Que, kemo sabay? Thees sheefting sands are
   beeg enuf for us both, no?
   Pero, donde estas -- where are you, senor? You come sneeking aroun'
   here, mi amigos and I, we make buzzard bait con usted.
   An' another theeng -- you can have your senoritas, but you batter
   stay away from Rita an' -abh, cause I gat my ojos on them!!!


   Con mucho gusto, Sr.

   Jose
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Subject:      Ross

Greetings,

Did anyone else watch Ross's lecture last night?  Although many of the
stats were presented in a misleading way (aren't they always?), I was
impressed by the presentation.  Of course, Ross remains a one-issue
candidate, and I'd like to hear him speak substantively on a number of
issues I think he knows nothing about (civil liberties, diplomacy,
health care, etc.).  Nevertheless, he may after all raise the level of
discourse on economic issues.

I especially liked the part where he accused former government officials
who have taken positions representing foreign interests of "economic
treason."  No doubt we'll see congressional hearings on Unamerican
Economic Activities sometime soon.

Marty
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: WWHOMWTV - III
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:14:14 GMT
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In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:03:04 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>>Dan:  Have you sent some clambake pictures to Akio yet?
>
>no, i'll ashamedly admit that we haven't sent ANY pictures to ANYbody yet...
>maybe with Christmas cards?
>
Or maybe New Year's cards?  :-)  Copies of my clambake pix are on their way
back from the printer's as we speak.  And yes, Graham is more or less half
dressed in one of them.[which half?  The covered half of course]

		Ruth
wishing I had a scanner
>
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From: CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
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Subject: Re: From the Annals of Democracy
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:08:00 GMT
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Greetings,

Ah, now I understand.  Ausbrook's political philosophy is derived from
the Rolling Stone mentality.  Small wonder he has trouble parsing
simple English sentences.

Marty
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Subject: Re: random acts of kindness
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:55:00 GMT
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Greetings, Tushar,

Deleting *all* the files hardly counts as random.

Marty
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Model Railroad

>>Chris:
>> Having a brother who's been "tying his own", so to speak, since he was 6, I
>> pretty much could have scripted Steve's response here.
>
>Good, you can do him next time!!
>
>rashmi
>
>It's a JOKE, Chris

You don't know how tempted I was to respond to this from Steve's address. Only
courtesy to Steve stayed my hand.

Chris

I GOT IT Rashmi
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:35:07 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: First Pre-Goat-Roast Gathering
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> If you have any good goat recipes let us know..Love goat.
> We've served it to our friends more than once...But I love new
> ways of cooking it.   Marilyn

You just dig a pit, build a fire, and hang the goat on a spit over it.
Then you turn it from time to time all night.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:47:19
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In-reply-to: Hints from Heloise's message of Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:58:00 EST

Heloise helps:

   Greetings,

   I save soap shavings and the dregs from shampoo bottles in a big jar I
   keep under the kitchen sink.  Then, whenever I hear someone say something
   politically incorrect, I use the blender to make a sudsy shake with
   which to wash out the offensive mouth.


Geez, am I glad my mom didn't read about this when I was growing up...or
even now!  

//anne, ivory may float but damn if styrofoam doesn't taste better!//
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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              11 Oct 1992 12:21:52 -0400 from <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>

Happy Thanksgiving, Agnes !  Do you get a three-day weekend out of this
holiday?

brad
 A miniature maple-leap flag is on my desk as I post this.  A souvenir
 from Tony H. at the clambake in July.
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (63)

>I bet you're right about WSJ meaning Wall Street Journal, but I did
>recently post a message about my favorite talk show host, David
>Paul, who works the late shift on WSJ 750 AM in Atlanta.
>
>Marty

Last time I looked, the Atlanta station was WSB and there was no WSJ
anywhere.  Been WSB since 1922.

I should have changed the subject header to nitpicking.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: LATER
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:59:07 GMT

In article <HAYCOCK.92Oct14135723@marley.think.com> haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock) writes:
:rogers ken announces:
:
:   I don't give a crap if you have a Phd. I have an MBA and alot
:   more business sense. BOTTOM LINE GRAHAM: How much did you make last year?
:
:Something about this proclamation of self-worth disgusts me.  Or should I
:say, I find it pitiful and pathetic.  Please, it is so degrading to measure
:oneself against another in monetary terms...and it is so false.  Save
:yourself the embarrassment and us the futile display.

Absolutely.  I have no intention of rubbing it in to the poor slob by
casually mentioning I made over $60K last year...  it would be embarrassing.

G
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From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: So now that we are meeting each other....
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:45:55 GMT
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Karen, I don't know about <normal>, but I also "hear" things written by
people whose voices I am familiar with.  The movies used to use voice-
overs that way, when they showed someone reading a letter... 

It's a bit disconcerting, when I read an article or book by a professional
colleague, to imagine him or her in the room with me!  Particularly when 
it's my dissertation advisor.

--bayla
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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              10 Oct 1992 20:07:33 EDT from <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>     Named the Cardinal because that is the state bird of Virginia,
>     West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana, through which the
>     train passes.

      And also the state bird of Illinois, where the Cardinal terminates.

      I am posting this afterthought to the list to see what happens.
      The last list messages I received were from Ruth Hanschka, around
      midnight, and then two from Natalie about 45 minutes ago.

      I suspect there is something wrong with the mail function here
      at UKCC.  I can't imagine a Words-l silence this deafening.

      I hate it when this happens: you know there is a conversation
      going on, yet you can't hear it.

      brad
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Good News from Adam
Date: 11 Oct 1992 04:01:39 GMT
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In a previous article, harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood) says:

>Congratulations on the new job, Adam!  Hope you like it...it's good to
>hear from you again.
Seconded!  This place isn't the same without some Pasty Cline echoing through
the aether....

>
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: cracking wise about inhaling
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:01:16 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) says:

>
>Actually I consider 'true belief' a sufficient sign of mental incompetance
>of its own.  I'd feel distinctly worried if I knew that my pilot was
>a sky pilot too...

Well Graham, I've always known I was a bit [or more than a bit] crazy.  
Thanks for confirming it.  btw - one thing I've noticed is that when faced
with disaster, most people start doing one thing - praying.  Atheists
too.<grin>  At least if the radio went out, the sky pilot can still ask
Someone for advice....

Ruth
list token evangelical Christian

ps - the Pirates just blew it in the 9th.  The Braves chopped the lead to 
one, and then <safe at home!>  [bad knees and all]
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From: LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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Subject: Odoriferous whites
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:12:22 GMT
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CJB>PS. One of the girls told me that all white people smell like sour milk.
abh>...and all this time I thought we were supposed to smell like rotten beef.
K>Hmmm....never heard this one.  I think I've read that Japanese people used
K>to think that Westerners smelled like rancid butter.  Which goes along with
K>the aboriginal perception.
NM>I've been told that people in the Far East think that people in the West
NM>smell like butter.

Just goes to show that those white-folks who think their's doesn't stink are
wrong! :-)

Carolyn
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: gas tax
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>I believe over here it's almost 2 pounds a gallon.  Call it $4.

Thanks Graham! That makes me feel a little better. I'll probably only need
a handful of jellybeans now instead of the whole box.

Carolyn (glad I decided to empty my mailbox before I logged out. :-))
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: SUnrise, sunset....
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>Hey, Carolyn! Welcome to the WORDS-L Black Leather Grannies
<Group! (My kids aren't cooperating, either, but I like the
>name...)

Thanks Judith! It's terrible when we have all these hopes and aspirations for
our children and they let us down so badly, isn't it? There's still a chance
for me though....... there's still my youngest to go and she seems to be taking
after her mother. :-) The boys are real 'killjoys' - they won't even consider
buying me a motorized wheelchair, they're afraid I'll terrorize the
neighbourhood.

Carolyn
PS. I'm glad you're back too!
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:04:19 EDT
From:         "(rogers ken x2718)" <rogers@E5SB.OSDHW.SYR.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Clinton wins round 1
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-------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE --------
Who will you vote for?

   Candidates  Before  After
      Bush       35%    31%
      Clinton    46%    35%
      Perot       6%    15%
-----------------------------------

ABC POLL LAST NIGHT SHOWED 45% FOR CLINTON, NOT 35%.

Hands down Perot won the debate. He set the tone for the
stoppage of lackluster verbal slamming on each other and
basically cut through all the political garbage. He's
an excellent business man and should have stayed in the
race. It hurt his credibility dropping out earlier.
What's left is to keep the country heading in the
right direction to compete in a global economic market.
To increase taxes on companies and the rich is not the way
to go. It leads to less investment in factories and equipment.
Therefore, the Republician ticket is the line for continuing
change. It's there, patience is needed. This is not an
overnight clod symptom remedy.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:38:00 CDT
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Ross

> I should have been more precise.  Stats themselves are rarely misleading, but
> their interpretation is always subject to distortion.  To take a single
> example, Ross showed a graphic that illustrated the declining value
> of the dollar since 1950 (clearly a function of inflationary trends over
> a 40 year period).  He noted that the 1950 dollar is worth 18 cents today
> (I think).  True enough, but so what?  Over the same period of time,
> incomes have risen more than enough to make up for the declining value
> of the currency, and clearly Americans in 1992 have a better standard of
> living (when evaluated in any tangible terms) than Americans did in 1950.

Now you are beginning to understand, Marty.  Next, you'll pick up my habit
(it irritates my mom and it annoyed my grandparents, r.i.p) of responding
to "We got paid 25 cents a day" with "Prices were lower in those days, too" or
to "A bottle of pop cost a nickel" with "You got paid 25 cents a day."  Real
living standards are higher today than they were in 1950 (or than they were in
1980, btw).  I suppose we could debate whether the quality of life has
improved in the past 40 years.

> Moreover, we ought to look at the Japanese and German experience in terms of
> what it demonstrates about the American myth that prosperity is only
> possible in a war-driven economy.

"American" myth?  It used to be a Republican myth during the 1960s,
when the Democrats blamed Republicans for recessions and the
Republicans blamed Democrats for wars.  It's always been a Marxist
myth; if the Socialist Labor Party are still out there, they're
probably still peddling it. But between 1983 and mid-1990 the real
growth of the US economy equalled the gross national product of
West Germany.  Military spending was high in those years, but not
high enough to build an entire West Germany.

Steve Karlson

The cheesehead stands alone.
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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>out.  What do you other Procomm users do when the escape sequence for
>some stuck place you've telnetted to is ^]?  That blanks the Procomm
>screen and doesn't seem to have any other effect.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

at the "stuck place" system prompt, telnet out -- or am I misunderstanding
the question?  If the place you're telnetted to is unresponsive or 
otherwise being ornery, hitting Control-C or Control-G can sometimes 
kick it into life again.  Sometimes nothing works, and I just hang up, 
*knowing* that it's a bad idea, but nobody's ever told me a better one.

--bayla
From: aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU (Bandwidth Pig)
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Date: 7 Oct 92 17:28:30 GMT
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>Anne, it's time for grumpiness lessons.  Obviously, I'm in need of
>a <brush-up> from the Le Pig School of Surly Posting.

OK, let's start by asking what's the big deal with the EFF gopher server if
there's NOTHING on line to go-furr! My directory display is empty.

[...]
>Speaking of all my life, I get to choose my retirement plan
>today.  It's never too early to begin planning for one's
>golden years!

Rita, Czarina, darlin' these ARE your golden years. It's all downhill after
this. What you're planning for is the spitdrooling, game-legged, mentally
decrepit years when you can no longer type fast enough to get your smartassed
little self into gainful employment.

-abh
That surly enough for you? ;-)
I'm going to Club Med at age 75!
Lots of hot tub fun, no bodily fluids allowed!
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMINJ 5
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> How can I get discreet mention of this into my promotion file?  Short
> of sending copies of the dedicatories to the front office, which might
> <reveal too much>.  Just an entry under OTHER in my CV?  How about
> this format?--
>
>     *dedicatee of Gilbert G. Smith, "What Happened to Me in New
>        Jersey," serialized reverie published Oct. 1992 on The
>        English Language Discussion Group <electronic forum
>        addressable on Internet as words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>
> brad

I think this is very nice, and would certainly push you over the
edge in any kind of <tentative> situation regarding promotion,
tenure, salary increase, or whatever.  But, I prefer to suppress
the G.   I never use it <professionally>, believing as I do that
the use of anything other than first name/last name is tasteless
and indicative of low self-esteem.  Sign everything simply
Gilbert Smith, the implication being that it is not necessary to
further qualify the name, as this is *the* Gilbert Smith who is
submitting this piece to the perusal of the audience.
  **Of course, that practice ends up putting me in all the
  bibliographies with some nut who writes sociology stuff.  *We*
  have a long list of publications, mostly in the field of
  soc/anth.  Versatile, that's what I am.
--ggs