HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Keywords: Momma, don't let your babies grow up to be scientists...
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:14:20 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <Bxo9x1.GDG@cs.uiuc.edu>, watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
|> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
|> 
|> >Let me suggest that when Clinton spends $500 million of his $7.6 billion
|> >additional hi-tech money on "information technologies" and "artificial
|> >intelligence" that this situation may change somewhat. Besides, what you
|> >said is only true if you take the really strict defininition of Computer
|> >Science and don't include things like architectures and VLSI.
|> 
|> >Jason W. Solinsky
|> 
|> I also think that part of the problem is our fault. 
|> 
|> Why don't 50% of us start our own high-tech companies and make
|> a few million?
|> 
|> Suppose 10% of us actually succeed. They are millionaires and
|> have nothing to worry about.
|> The other 40% that tried and failed -- so what. A good experience,
|> and better than sending off 100 resumes and getting no replies.

As somebody who is desperately hoping to catch the Clinton wave of money (which
will most likely disappear as quickly as it came) by looking at a very low chance
of success enterprise, I'd like to quickly note that of all high tech start-ups,
70% survive their first five years. Of those that survive, half will go on to
real success, and the other half will become stagnant, but still provide their
founders with a job. What these statistics tell us is that high tech can support
alot more start-ups than currently exist. All it takes somebody who is willing
to accept risks.

And given that in certain areas of CS the chance of getting a faculty position is
considerably less than 70%, this might not be a bad idea.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: In your school?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.215154.579@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)         writes...
>In refd article, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>I think you have it the wrong way around - the injstice comes
>>before the complaints, not the other way around.  On the contrary, I would
>>suggest that the Concordia people probably got what they deserved.
> 
>I responded to Godfrey by email on this, but I think public attention
>should be drawn to the fact that he believes that the four Concordia
>professors deserved to be murdered and the secretary deserved to be shot.
> 
>If anyone has any personal knowledge that might help to set our minds at
>rest on this matter, I'd appreciate it if they'd contact me.
>-- 
>Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
>ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  dunn@cam.org          |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray

I said simply that I SUGGEST that they deserved it.  Dunn is just angry
 - I guess - because his attempt to have me thrown off the network has
failed.

I would prefer it if my opinions were publicised by me, not interpreted
by the likes of Dunn and communicated for "public attention".

Laurence
From: n8946410@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Cameron Parish)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Fabrikant archives?
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:55:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov18.015533.20579
Organization: Western Washington University


	
	Have the Fabrikant (and associated) postings been archived
anywhere?  I would very much like to have them, for my own interest and
for a professor who's studying anger in academia.   

Cam Parish
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Computers in Medicine
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:06:40 GMT

In article <1ec800INN2g8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Merbil R. Gonzalez) writes:
|>
|>I am a third year medical student that has a high interest in 
|>computers. Are there any programs that mix these two fields?
|>
 Yes.
|>Thanks in advance,
|>-- 
|>Merbil Gonzalez     Internet:M_GONZALEZ@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU
|>                             bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 You're welcome.       
=======================================================================
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passier@x400gate.bnr.ca |squeak....creak....squeak...creak...squeak....
613.763.8909            |slap slap puff..slap slap puff..slap slap puff
BNR, Ottawa, Canada     |.... aaahhhhhhhhhhh!              Just Tri It!
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: In your school?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.004914.12138@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)               writes...
>In article <1992Nov18.215154.579@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>In refd article, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>>I think you have it the wrong way around - the injstice comes
>>>before the complaints, not the other way around.  On the contrary, I would
>>>suggest that the Concordia people probably got what they deserved.
>>
>>I responded to Godfrey by email on this, but I think public attention
>>should be drawn to the fact that he believes that the four Concordia
>>professors deserved to be murdered and the secretary deserved to be shot.
>>
>>If anyone has any personal knowledge that might help to set our minds at
>>rest on this matter, I'd appreciate it if they'd contact me.
> 
> 
>Maybe I'm being absurdly simplistic, but it seems to me that no one
>deserves to be shot.  For any reason.  
> 
> 
Not Sadam, nor Adolf, nor Bundy?

Laurence
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: mjscott@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Mike J. Scott)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:51:15 GMT
Followup-To: sci.research.careers
Keywords: Concordia, NRC

In article <17NOV199201181181@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>That's a very patronising posting.  I assure you that much as I dislike
>Canada I have no intention of shooting anyone.  It's quite true that I
>showed a great interest in Frabrikant, because I can well believe from my
>own experiences that the university did treat him with great injustice
>(not a "grain of truth" as you state - why do you dismiss his accusations
>so lightly, I wonder?).  As for the rest, it amuses me to generate the
>hate mail that my postings receive.  As for your claim that I got what
>I deserved, I think you have it the wrong way around - the injstice comes
>before the complaints, not the other way around.  On the contrary, I would
>suggest that the Concordia people probably got what they deserved.

I have not, thankfully, been following this thread.  However, I don't feel
that anyone deserves to be murdered over a professional dispute.  There is
no way any of the individuals at Concordia 'got what they deserved'.
I, too, can sympathize with Fabrikant's position, and it appears he may
have many legitimate complaints.  That does not, however, justify murder.
As for you, Mr. Godfrey, I hope that you keep your grievances with the NRC
WITH the NRC, and not with Canadians in general (as it appears you have).
All I can say is that after travelling extensively in the U.S. and abroad,
there is no other place I would rather live than in Canada.

Michael J. Scott                       R.R.I.,  U of Western Ontario 
mjscott@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca         'Need a good valve job?' 

###############  Illegitimus non tatum carborundum.   ##############
From: msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik Harish Shah)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Request!
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:57:08 GMT
	<1992Nov7.151918.24760@netcom.com>
	<BxL56L.36r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Nov12.190936.15477@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
	<BxoADG.IDI@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hello!
	I am a physics Sophmore here at Carnegie Mellon University. Does anybody know of any research positions around the country for the summer? (Internship, paid-work, etc??) I'd appreciate any information.
			Thanks!!!
				-MO


********************************************************

The following sentence is true.
The preceding sentence is false.
                              -Somebody I know

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Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Bleak news from the academic job market
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:50:07 GMT

In article <dn115al@rpi.edu>, maniattb@cs.rpi.edu (Bill Maniatty) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov21.044832.5114@tc.cornell.edu>, bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Nov21.002534.5154@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersmh@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ANDERSON  MIKE HOWARD) writes:
|> |> >In article <1992Nov20.222750.25504@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
|> |> >>
|> |> >>I think that you are wrong on two accounts:
|> |> >>
|> |> >>(1) I would hate to see univeristies being engaged in "social engineering".
|> |> >>    They do exist to educate and do research. If they can get the work
|> |> >>    done cheaply, why should they pay more ? Resources are limited,
|> |> >>    and the burden will be on the tax-payer. Why should the tax-payer
|> |> >>    spend his/her hard earned money to pay more for the same work ?
|> 
|> Any action performed by the University to make it harder/easier to get training
|> in a discipline is going to affect student's motivation to pursue training in
|> a given area.  I don't see how Universities can avoid participating in
|> ``social engineering'', as part of their function is to select research
|> directions.  The side effects of these actions may not be anticipated by the
|> University system.

It is the Universities' job to do as much research as possible for the
smallest amount of money. The research system in this country was not put
in place for the benefit of a few thousand graduate students. It exists for
the benefit of 240 million people. If the University decreased the number of
PhDs and hired more graduate students, there would be two effects.

A) 240 million people would be wasting money so that they Universities could
carry out these social engineering practices for the benefit of a hand ful of
people. Meanwhile the product of the quantity and quality of the research
would decrease significantly.

B) Lots of incomming graduate students who REALLY WANT to become graduate
students would be denied the opportunity and left out in the cold.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: stiber@uxmail.ust.hk (Dr. Michael D. Stiber)
Subject: Faculty Positions in Computer Science
Organization: HKUST Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:12:32 GMT



             THE HONG KONG UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
                       Department of Computer Science


The Department of Computer Science will have 12 faculty positions open AT
ALL LEVELS for the 1993-94 academic year.  The department began its first
classes in October, 1991.  It currently has 25 faculty members recruited
from major universities and research institutions around the world and 240
undergraduate and 45 postgraduate students.

We have active research groups in the areas of artificial intelligence,
computer engineering, data and knowledge base management, software
engineering, and theoretical computer science.  We are looking for new
faculty with research interests in these areas as well as computer graphics,
human-computer interaction and other research areas.  Research funding is
available through government agencies and industry-sponsored research
institutes at the university, such as the Hong Kong Telecom Institute of
Information Technology and the Sino Software Research Centre.

The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology is a publicly-funded
research university.  It has Schools of Science, Engineering, Business &
Management, and Humanities and Social Science.  It is located on a new,
well-equipped coastal campus overlooking the spectacular Clear Water Bay.
Students admitted to the department rank among the top 10% of Hong Kong's
secondary school graduates.  The medium of instruction is English.

Salary and benefits are competitive.  Initial appointments will normally be
on a three-year contract which is renewable subject to mutual agreement.  A
gratuity of an amount equal to 25% of the total basic salary received will
be payable upon contract completion.  Approved sabbatical leave will be at
full salary.

Applicants should have an earned Ph.D. and high potential in teaching and
research.  Senior applicants must have exceptional research records.
Applications/nominations should be sent with a curriculum vitae together
with names of at least three references to:


                    Prof. V. Y. Shen, Head
                    Department of Computer Science
                    The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
                    Clear Water Bay, Kowloon
                    HONG KONG

                    Fax No.   :    (852) 358-1477
                    E-mail    :    shen@uxmail.ust.hk


Applications will be evaluated immediately upon receipt.  Maximum
consideration will be given to applications received by December 31, 1992.
--
Michael Stiber						stiber@uxmail.ust.hk
Department of Computer Science				tel: (852) 358 6981
The Hong Kong University of Science & Technology	fax: (852) 358 1477
Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: rsherme@diamond.nswc.navy.mil (Russel Shermer (R43))
Subject: Are you reading the FYI's?
Reply-To: rsherme@chaos.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det. R43
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:02:15 GMT

	Hi,

I'd like to get a feeling for how many people have been reading the
FYI postings to sci.research.  If you read them and think I should
continue posting them, send me email.  You don't have to say anything,
I'm interested in a head count.  Of course, comments are welcome.

Thanks.

	---Russ
Newsgroups: sci.research
From: will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz)
Subject: information request on "Seacar"
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:47:30 GMT

I was interested in information on "Seacar":Past,
present, and future. All I know is that it is/was
associated with UNESCO and involved scientific efforts
from CIS, USA, UK, Britain, and Denmark.

I picked up on this in a reference to the research
vessel _Akademik Kurchatov_ which had taken part
in this program in the early '70's.

Thank you.

-- 
Bill
will@wixer.cactus.org
From: jeff@mama.minmet.uq.oz (Jeff Gates)
Subject: Re: MISSING-PERSON LOCATION TECHNIQUE
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:43:42 GMT

mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>                       MISSING-PERSON LOCATION TECHNIQUE
>               The following information is a very simple technique for 
>          finding missing children, adults, MIA's, etc..  Please take 
>          it SERIOUSLY. 
>               Make a 90-degree "Angle Wire" by bending an 18" length 
>          of 1/8" iron welding rod at right angles at the center and 

Etc etc etc

>               This technique was developed by a Canadian scientist, 
>          Frances Nixon, of The Vivaxis Energies Research International 
>          Society, 211 Blackman St., New Westminster, British Columbia  
>          V3L 2A8, Canada.  Contact THEM for more information. 

Yes folks, it's  "scientific", uh-huh!

>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
>                                        Robert E. McElwaine

>             SERIOUSLY,
		surely there is an "alt.blah.blah.blah....." newsgroup for
		this sort of thing?  What has it got to do with materials?
From: z_nixsp@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Vigilance And Music
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:27:16 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I'm looking for information on Vigilance.  I'm conducting an experiment on 
the effect of music on the human attention span.  Subjects will be 
performing a reaction test to various stimuli presented on a computer 
screen.  The independent variables are level of music (none, soft, pleasant, 
and loud) and type of music (classical, pop, country, jazz).  Any 
information would be greatly appreciated.  

-Page
Z_NIXSP@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU
From: Gosbell@FEDCMAC.EDC.RMIT.EDU.AU (Kerryn Gosbell)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Energy efficiency in higher education
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:13:27 GMT
Followup-To: sci.research
Organization: RMIT
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerryn.edc.rmit.oz.au

RMIT university in Melbourne is conducting research into the incorporation
of energy issues into tertiary education curriculum and energy use on
campus.

As the projects Research Assistant I am seeking to compile information
regarding these two areas of energy in tertiary institutions across the
world.

Topics covered in course curriculum could include for example:
	% Energy efficiency and conservation
	% Environmental and social impacts of energy
	% Energy economics / cost
	% Energy management
	% Renewable and alternative energy
	% Energy use
	% Design for energy efficiency

I am specifically seeking to identify examples of curriculum materials and
activities such as research projects, guest speakers, field visits and
information sources used, but am also interested in finding out what
contexts are set for students. ie. Why is energy conservation worth
pursuing?

In addition, I am seeking information regarding any work that has been
undertaken which looks at the actual energy consumption of tertiary
institutions and at ways of reducing this consumption.

If anyone has information or relevant contacts in either of these two areas
I would appreciate hearing from them either through my E-mail address or by
sending material to me via the postal address below.

Thanks!

Kerryn Gosbell
Department of Planning, Policy & Landscape
RMIT
GPO Box 2476V
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia  3001
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: "There is nothing so practical as a good theory": request for source
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:10:45 GMT
Organization: UB

I have heard several times a quote that goes something like this:

   "There is nothing so practical as a good theory"

Can anyone tell me the source, and also the exact original wording if
that is not it?  We suspect that is was Alexander Graham Bell or Thomas
Edison or some such person.

Thanks in advance!

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
From: Gosbell@FEDCMAC.EDC.RMIT.EDU.AU (Kerryn Gosbell)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Energy efficiency in higher education
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:57:50 GMT
Followup-To: sci.environment
Organization: RMIT
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerryn.edc.rmit.oz.au

RMIT university in Melbourne is conducting research into the incorporation
of energy issues into tertiary education curriculum and energy use on
campus.

As the projects Research Assistant I am seeking to compile information
regarding these two areas of energy in tertiary institutions across the
world.

Topics covered in course curriculum could include for example:
	% Energy efficiency and conservation
	% Environmental and social impacts of energy
	% Energy economics / cost
	% Energy management
	% Renewable and alternative energy
	% Energy use
	% Design for energy efficiency

I am specifically seeking to identify examples of curriculum materials and
activities such as research projects, guest speakers, field visits and
information sources used, but am also interested in finding out what
contexts are set for students. ie. Why is energy conservation worth
pursuing?

In addition, I am seeking information regarding any work that has been
undertaken which looks at the actual energy consumption of tertiary
institutions and at ways of reducing this consumption.

If anyone has information or relevant contacts in either of these two areas
I would appreciate hearing from them either through my E-mail address or by
sending material to me via the postal address below.

Thanks!

Kerryn Gosbell
Department of Planning, Policy & Landscape
RMIT
GPO Box 2476V
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia  3001
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: ECO CENTRAL 21
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 03:40:55 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1466601912@igc.apc.org> alanm@igc.apc.org writes:

 > Note: ECOCENTRAL REDIVIVUS -- ECO CENTRALS hereby resume their 
 > irregular publication with number 21.  
 >  
 > ECO CENTRAL 21
 >  
 >                     Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium
 >  

        [ . verbiage deleted as read . ]

Alan, however well all this may stand in physics the question must be
asked on how useful any of it is in teaching people, who out there
striving to survive and prosper are the ones actually impacting on
the environment (being the reason you are apparently concerned about
it in the first place) to ammeliorate such impact towards a greater
degree of ecosystemic sustainability?

I have no problem with your obvious talent and intellectual capacity
(or that you may well indeed be a very nice bloke), only with what on
earth are we to use it for? Why would I pay any more attention to you
than I would one of the senior Aboriginal elders who knows his own
patch like the back of his hand?

And you have yet to address the question on what is "central" about
your formulation as it applies to the real environment.

Perhaps I ought simply to ignore your threads . . .

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Request: Are Computers Green?
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:01:18 GMT
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Organization: lbl
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

Of course they aren't; no product is green in the abstract,
but many are greener (or less brown) than alternatives.
What you have identified are many issues where people
who design, manufacture, and use computers have choices
as to the magnitude and nature of the environmental impact
they have, as well as cases (such as Email), where use of
computers can substitute for other information-processing
methods.

To pursue the issue, you might categorize the impacts
a number of ways, such as the magnitudes of the impacts,
the potential for reducing them, who makes the choices,
what barriers exist impeding improvements, and ways that
computers can beneficially substitute for current practices
that don't use them.

>> I am at the reserch stage of the project...

There are LOTS of potential projects in this area.
I'd choose just one or two and explore them in detail.

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
Newsgroups: sci.environment