HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Financial first-date negotiations
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:25:21 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:

>gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:

>}crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>}>Well, I asked around a little bit this weekend on this topic, and
>}>wasn't able to uncover a single opinion like the ones I'm hearing in
>}>this group.  Most people I talked to -- male and female -- expressed
>}>some degree of amazement, confirming my theory that this is a
>}>cross-planetary discussion.

>}Perhaps this is because some of us, instead of accepting traditional
>}roles, have chosen to question those roles and define roles for
>}ourselves more to our liking.

>Jeez, do you think you could be just a little more arrogant about this?
>How about starting up a seminar series to teach us po' fokes, trapped
>in our miserable, confining, traditional roles, how to properly question
>and then define our roles in order to become one of the truly enlightened, 
>like yourself?  
     [...]
>Hit him, Lauren.  Just haul off and whack the boy upside his head.

Well, if James is going to second for Laura, I'll second for Gregbo. Shall
it be Uzis at dawn?

Lots of us net folks like questioning assumptions and roles, and enjoy
being exposed to differing opinions on issues. It seems to me that if 
Laura can imply Gregbo's opinion is from another planet, his correcting 
her with "No, I made it up myself" can hardly be considered an escalation 
of the arrogance level.
-- 
Stef                Just as there are laws of Conservation of Matter and
stef@apple.com      Energy, so there are in fact Laws of Conservation of 
                    Pain and Joy. Neither can ever be created or destroyed.
                         But one can be converted into the other. 
                                                         --Spider Robinson
From: tmcinern@newcomer.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy McInerney x0 14-2)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: About: ConfessionsOfAnAnonymousPoster
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:02:35 GMT
Organization: Computervision Corp.




Hey, just trying to start a little religion and dating discussion!


Looks like it worked!


Well, my Co-op job here at CV is ended today so my account here is
toast and I don't subscribe to soc.singles on my other account and
don't plan to, so....

Its been real folks!


Never limit yourself for any reason!
We're all playing the same game!


Tim
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance,soc.penpals,alt.romance.chat
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Do you have a good pickup line?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:26 EST  

In article <1hupltINN8fr@news.UU.NET>, ender@shiva.UU.NET (Pete "Ender" Walsh) writes...
>The 1st Dude of ARC sed:
>|> >"Ya know, if we cut your arms off you'd look just like Venus de Milo."
>|> 
>|> I LOoove this one Ender! What a great line.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Steve
> 
>Thank you!  *bow*
> 
>How about the classic, "What's a slut like you doing in a classy joint like
>this??"
> 
>}=>
> 

What about *the* classic love poem ...

Roses are red
Violets are blue
I like peanut butter
Take off your clothes.                   {I cleaned up this last line}


I swear to God, I saw this one work once ... go figure.


>Ender

-- Stephen the Xenocide

{Experimental .sig # 30245/T}

Humans -- 

	Beings stupid enough to create their own monsters, and then 
	curse their luck when they run into them.
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Females have it easy!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 01:01:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Dec26.212813.4444@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>However, I do have to disagree with you here--actually, I've found that 
>many women have been very good at knowing what turns on at least this man;
>also, I know several women whose tastes in women are fairly similar to
>mine.



Perhaps it isn't too late, after all.

6'4" you say? :)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: SF ISO S*M
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:04:26 GMT

In article <75864@apple.apple.COM> pooh@Apple.COM (Pooh) writes:
>In the referenced article, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>>Yes Wong, I agree with you whoeheartedly.  If you
>>get a woman in her 30's who has been living on her own
>>for a while, and who is independent, then you might
>>as well forget her.  She is used to doing what she wants
>>when she wants, and she won't be interested in a man tying
>>her down. 
>
>So, like, Keith, what's the alternative?  Are you looking
>for a woman who lets you tell her what to do and when to
>do it, and wants to let you direct all her activities for
>the rest of her life?

Speaking as someone who has too many employees that need to be told
what to do and when to do it, let me assure the rest of you out in
net.land that it gets real boring real fast--go for the independent
women who is willing to let you know what she wants to do.  If you're
used to doing what you want when you want, you might find it a
difficult change at first, but being involved with a human being is
much more rewarding in the long run than being involved with a pet.

Trygve
--
"How many efficiency experts does it take to change a light bulb?
 None--efficiency experts only change dark bulbs."
From: ftlao@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Women, Cats, & Chocolate
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.21DEC199211532244
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <1992Dec21.194651.2145@netcom.com>, aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes...
>In article <20DEC199219303987@acad3.alaska.edu> ftlao@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A) writes:
> 
>  [lots of drivel deleted]
> 
>>AGAIN " I AM SORRY FOR ABUSING YOUR FEELINGS"
> 
>Look, you dumb broad, this is soc.singles, the biggest flamefest outside
>of r.a.s not devoted strictly to flaming.  If you don't want to get with
>the program, then stay the fuck out of here.
>-- 
>                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernste

Hello Aahz...

Gee you could have fooled me..

NOW!!! You listen to me and let me make myself perfectly clear..
I am a single and I WAS NOT flaming anyone! I was simply responding to what
someone else wrote to me.  If you do not like it then that is your problem,
Do I make myself perfectly clear??

As for being a dumb  broad..I think perhaps you are a real PRIZE..And you do
need to learn  a few manners! If you wanna take this any further you have my
e-mail address cause I should like to tell you a thing or two.
So please KNOCK OF THE CRAP!!!!!!

Merry Christmas everyone...

                            -Linda-
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:16:21 EST
Reply-To:     "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Trying a new Gen. Software
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU, beaurega@IREQ.HYDRO.QC.CA

In addition to having alternate inputs for each item, it would be nice to
be able to connect a source (hidden) to each field.  For instance, in
my IBM PAF 2.2, there is a program called "Research Data Filer" which
allows one to make a listing of sources, but there is no easy way to
cross reference the sources to the individuals in the family program.
jp
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Merging GEDCOM files
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <BzM8yv.3FL@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>   What is the best strategy to merge 2 GEDCOM files and eliminate duplicates?
> ...
You have obviously done a lot of thinking about this general problem.
Have you tried the program gcom?  It does GEDCOM file merging
directly.  I don't like it much, as it requires exact name matching to
work.

One does have to be careful about name matching and automatic merging.
 How many of us have two people with exactly the same name, yet are
still two different people?  Even similar dates with the same names
often aren't sufficient to demonstrate identity.  Merging must be done
carefully.

I think that any automatic merging capability _must_ be completely
reversible.  Then if later information warrants, the merging can be
undone with no muss and no fuss.  (This by the way is how a completely
unrelated system I am working on at work does radar merging!)

Of course we do merging all the time.  When we find a new birth date,
we go into our database and just type that information on whoever we
think it applies to.  This is essentially merging by hand.  The
merging reversibility requirement thus also implies that we be able to
split up a person's various data sources and make new people out of
them, in response to any later reinterpretation of the identity of the
people attested to in the sources.  This implies some special database
formatting requirements, currently unattainable in many popular
genealogical database programs.

These are just my musings on merging and genealogical database
requirements.

=Jim
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:16:14 -0600
Reply-To:     Carmen Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU>
From:         Carmen Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Seeking information on Providence Mounts
Comments: To: ROOTS <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

We are looking for information on the parents of Providence Mounts. He was
born in 1799 in Va. (now W.Va). and married someone with initials E.W. He
had four sons Providence (b 1827 or 1828), John Harrison (b 1840 or 1841),
William H (b 1833 or 1834) and Daniel W (b 1841 or 1842). All his children
were born in Va. (now W. Va).

His wife died before 6/1880. Providence died in Denton Co., TX (date unknown).

The name Providence appears periodically in family tree. We have found the
record of a Revolutionary War soldier by that name and would like to
establish a positive connection.


Thanks-

Terry & Carmen Antoine
P.O. Box 1334
Stephenville, TX 76401-1334
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Libraries
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:45:56 GMT

hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:

>: Well, gee - I guess that answers any questions I might have about borrowing
>: anything from the D'Angelo Law Library :-)

>	This is about the silliest remark I have seen in a pretty silly
>thread.

There was a smiley there. Or did you not note it?


>hands - can see it, use it or consult it. What Fred Rump (for it was he)
>wnated to do was to take it into his personal possession. If it had been
>accidentally lost or broken (it was glass, remember), the unique item
>would no longer be unique - it would no longer be. Full stop (or period if

I had no need of a piece of glass. All I want to do is borrow some books from 
California. :-(

fred


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W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Parents, Spouses, Children
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:00:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <20 Dec 1992 21:32> thomas.t.wetmore..iv said to All :

 ttwi>3. These two relationships account for such a high percentage of all
 ttwi>relationships required by genealogical research, that they must be
 ttwi>handled completely and intrinsically by your software system. And, in
 ttwi>my very strong opinion, whatever underlying mechanism your system 
provides
 ttwi>for handling lineage linking, it should be reserved exclusively 
 ttwi>for these
 ttwi>two relationships.  Of course, things are rarely what they 
 ttwi>appear, and
 ttwi>this may easily lead to mistakes.  But that's what genealogical 
 ttwi>research
 ttwi>is, in my opinion, discovering these relationships.  In
 ttwi>other words, I disagree with using a family record for a homosexual
 ttwi>union, and I disagree with using a parent relationship to record an
 ttwi>adoption relationship.  I put no value judgements on these two
 ttwi>relationships, and do not disagree that these are important
 ttwi>genealogical relationships, but I don't believe they should be recorded
 ttwi>using the normal lineage mechanisms.

Thank you for making that very important point. In genealogy it is biological, 
genetic relationships that are recorded. 

Social relationships, such as adoption and homosexual relationships, have a 
place in family history, which is wider than genealogy, but not in genealogy 
as such. Close friends, teachers and various other relationships are important 
in family history and biography, but they too are not part of genealogy.

Keep well

Steve



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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:28:23 -0500
Reply-To:     David Jones <DJONES@HPB.HWC.CA>
From:         David Jones <DJONES@HPB.HWC.CA>
Subject:      Tracing Spinney Family
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Requesting help please in tracing Spinney Family originally of
either/both Manchester and Cambridgeshire Elgland; then New England (Mass.
and Maine....but only interested in Mass.); then to eastern Canadrested in
 Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia.
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:53:07 EST
Reply-To:     George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
From:         George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Library bashing

I will use my non-Roots signature below to show my interest.

Fred: you describe what you want from libraries... I would like
      to quote to you from one of your recent postings about software:

"We want - a chant that can be heard across the mountains, while echoing back
and forth, with ever increasing intensity."

My response to that was that we genealogists should continue to describe
our needs so that software developers could improve their products.

Similarly, it is important that you (and I) describe our needs to
librarians so that libraries may evolve appropriately. However, we
need to be careful (or tread lightly, as our cousin The GAR said
in his excellent posting) not to offend the very people we want to influence.

In a business environment, it is fairly easy to deal with user needs...
you base your response on a profit motive (short or long range).

However, in an environment where individuals don't pay
for specific services it's not so easy. Individuals may walk in and
say (in so many words) "I pay your salary, so give me anything I want."
And so rules are made.

Rules: if you can't get a good explanation for a rule, you are either
       dealing with a very low level employee or gnote seauton.
       (Which is Greek for "know thyself")

And here's the signature I promised (showing that I work in a library,
but am not a librarian):
------------------------------------------------------------------------
George Waller, Microcomputer Consultant, Homer Babbidge Library U-5MS
University of Connecticut,  Storrs CT 06269-1005         203-486-5260
Internet: hbladm1@uconnvm.uconn.edu    Bitnet: HBLADM1@UCONNVM.BITNET
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: N.N. Strubing
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:04:22 GMT

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:


>My great-great-grandmother's marriage record from a different town
>gives her father's given name as Johann Friedrich Strubing.  Why
>didn't the Kleinenbremen pastor want to write down this name?
>And why no mother's name ever?

Interesting question. Was he perhaps involved with several women? Was he 
married? I mean let us assume he was a bum of some sort who kept bringing kids 
in for baptism. The pastor would not deny the service but wanted very little 
to do with the parents other then nobody Strubing so that the kid could have a 
name. What do other records look like from the pastor?

Fred

PS Did this guy have a descendant on the Love Boat?
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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: SPENCER LINE FROM 1385
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:22:34 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

My wife has a line of Spencers in her family dating back to a Nicholas
Spencer of Althorp (1644 to 1769). He had a son Nicholas Spencer (1705 to
1785) who married Sarah Towney.  They had a daughter Martha Spencer who
married a James Lewin.

Thats where my research peters out.  I don't know if this info connects with
yours or not.  If it does, I would not mind filling in some blanks.

Tom Gowdyk
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:23:25 EST
Reply-To:     Sharon L Palmateer <ASDSLP@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Sharon L Palmateer <ASDSLP@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Happy Holidays!
Comments: To: roots-l@ndsuvm1.bitnet

Happy Holidays to all Rooters!

Many, many thanks to all of those who helped me get hooked on genealogy!
And especially to those of you that have helped further the search of my
family tree in the past six months.  My level of understanding skyrocketed
for the magnitude of the task before me, the value of a group such as this
to lean on, the knowledge available here and the history that rolls off
your fingers.  I feel like a child that has finally taken her first steps
after watching everyone else walk for years.

Thanks to everyone.  Have yourselves a Happy Holiday season and I wish you
all many discoveries in the New Year.  May you each discover at least one
new line in your family!

Sharon                            ASDSLP@ALBNYVM1.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: Robert Cox <rcox@convex.UUCP>
Subject: Searching COX and HARE
Originator: rcox@mozart.convex.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:23:33 GMT
Reply-To: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I am searching for the parents of the following siblings: 

Commodore Perry COX 
  Born 10-FEB-1842 	Robertson Co, TX 
  Died 24-APR-1922	Old Soldiers and Sailors Home 
			Sandusky, Erie Co., OH 

Fredrick COX 
  Born 1844/1845	Texas 

Thomas COX 		
  Born 1846/1847	Texas 

Edgefield COX (wife of Parker HARE)  	
  Born 1848/1849 	Texas 
  Died 21-JUL-1928 	1430 E. 85th St. 
			Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., OH 

An unreliable source has the parents as George Cox and Sarah Ward. 
Places cited for their birthplaces include North Carolina and Virgina.
The family moved to Ohio around 1850.  

					-- Many thanks, 
					   Robert Cox
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Mulattos and the census
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:54:01 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1992Dec31.210113.24769@news.eng.convex.com> rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox) writes:
>Also, are mulattos always people of mixed Caucasian-Negro
>ancestry, or is this term also used in the census for people of any mixed
>racial ancestry?  Also, what percentage of a person's ancestry must be of 
>a non-Caucasian race before that person is considered mulatto?

In principle, mulattos are of mixed Black and Caucasian ancestry, but the
matter is complicated by a difference in the number of catagories in the
English classification and the Spanish, who had a complex social hierarchy
based partially on race: Spaniards (born in Europe), creoles (born in the
Colonies), mestizos (mixed Indian and Spanish), mulattos, and then Blacks.

It is my impression that the usual folk rule was that anyone who was part
Caucasian and part Black or Indian was considered a mulatto -- unless the
part was so small that a Caucasian would not be able to be related to
Pocahontas -- a criteria that got smaller with every generation as long as
the matter was of concern.

I have recently been reading "The Confederate States of America 1861-1865"
by E. Merton Coulter, Louisiana State University Press, 1950 which has
helped me understand the arguement better between the North and the South
with respect to race. He suggests that the issue that brought the South
together against Lincoln was not slavery -- most white southerners did
not have slaves -- but rather the adherence to a class structure with
Blacks at the bottom. Equality was the issue (which didn't please
everyone in the North either, and Lincoln approached it very gingerly). It
still is.
Newsgroups: soc.roots,soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: berkovej@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Anglisizing Czech Names, Question
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:09:24 PST

I understand that there is no accepted Anglisized name for Vaclav.  Is this
true?  My father's birth certificate shows his name as Vaclav but he was James
for his whole life.  Is this a common Anglisized name for Vaclav?

My Grandfather's English name was John.  I have heard that both Jan and Honza
are anglisized to John.  Is this true?

If anyone can help me with this, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

James Berkovec

Researching BERKOVEC, TUMA, UHIR (Czechoslovakia/Austria -1800's); ROCHON,
RONDEAU (Canada,Chicago - 1800's/1900's)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Monessen, PA
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:57:19 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1992Dec28.171005.2309@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> jungschj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>I am looking for information on the "Finnish Ev. Luth. Church of Suomi
>Synod" in Monessen, PA.

Melvyl says:

1.
Title:  The Faith of the Finns: historical perspectives on the Finnish
Lutheran church in America. Edited by Ralph J. Jalkanen. [East
Lansing] Michigan State University Press, 1972.
Description:    xvi, 360 p. 24 cm.

Notes:  Includes bibliographical references.

Subjects:       Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.
Finland -- Religion.

Other entries: Jalkanen, Ralph J. ed.

Call numbers:   UCD     Main LibBX8060.F5 F35
UCI     Main LibBX8060.F5 F35
UCLA    URL     BX 8060 F5F17

bibliography might help....

Tom
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