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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Subject: I want my garmonzobia!  (spoiler?)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:15:43 GMT

i want my garmonzobia!
or was it
i want my garmonbozia!
or was it
i want my garbonzomia!
or was it
i want my garzonbomia!

what ever it is, what is it?  are we talking creamed corn here?

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Julee Cruise + her band are the "Owls in the Roadhouse"
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:04:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I was putting "Rockin Back Inside My Heart" and "The World
     Spins" on a tape for a friend back home and I started 
     thinking about an explanation for Julee and the band's
     disappearance in the "Find out who did it" episode second
     season.  
     At first I was thinking that The Giant was possessing Julee
     Cruise as well as Senor Droolcup... (I'm assuming Droolcup
     was in the lodge with The Giant in the same way Leland was
     in there with BOB in FWWM... that's no spoiler, right?)  But
     that doesn't wash because the whole band disappeared as well.

     So maybe that band - and you only saw Julee and the band in the
     Roadhouse when Lynch directed it - were part of the "owls in
     the roadhouse" the Log Lady warns of... they certainly provide
     "music in the air," the same way that guy who sings "Sycamore
     Trees" does in the final episode.  (Maybe herself and the band
     are human... and so is that black guy... with knowledge of 
     the mythology around those parts, like Harry Dean Stanton's
     character at the Trailer Park at FWWM).

     Any of this making any sense to anyone???
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:02:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.204542.23555@mumbo.apple.com> mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece) writes:
>Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
>From: Michael Kandall, kandall@nsg.sgi.com
>Date: 27 Aug 92 01:53:02 GMT
>In article <KANDALL.92Aug26205302@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Michael Kandall,
>kandall@nsg.sgi.com writes:
>
>[... stuff about the movie ...]
>
>>I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
>>it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
>>it won't be pretty, either ...
>>
>
>Here's the only positive comment I've seen so far (the last paragraph of
>a positive but not warm review in the Boston Phoenix):
>
>"Don't simply be put off by the cascade of negative reviews. But know
>before you go that Fire Walk with Me is like sticking your head down a
>tuba. The pictures that reverberate from the mighty blast come from deep
>inside somebody's organs. Lynch's, certainly. Who knows, maybe yours,
>too."
>
>Anybody heard anything *really* positive?
>
The movie has opened to mixed reviews at best, and been roundly panned
at worst. I saw it last night and would have to say that I'm
disappointed. It seems to be a final core dump of whatever remains in
Lynch's brain about Laura Palmer's death. Unfortunately, there is
little counterbalancing to the endless degradations that LP submits
herself too. The humor of the TV series is absent and there is very
little said about the characters surrounding LP that would make anyone want
to care about them.

Unless you saw the TV series and perhaps read the diary and are a
fanatical TP fan, FWWM is really a pretty empty experience. And at
least for me, it doesn't tell me much that I didn't already know...

 

-- 
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From: kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Hmmmnnnn....
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:22:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



	Hmmmnnnn....
	Maybe, as someone else posted once, maybe BOB is really after
Cooper, that the murders are not for any other reason but to involve Cooper
in the mess.
	Look: there is evil in the woods. Twin Peaks is one of those rare places
where the lodges poke out into the real world, and the black lodge has been felt
by the spiritually tuned of the town (which seems to be a high number). So, the
good folk of the town form the BookHouse Boys to defend against the black lodge.
Bob struggles against them, but is held in check.
	Knowing that good-guy Cooper would be welcomed into the BHB, perhaps
BOB lures him there, waits until he is accepted, and then takes control of him.
Now he is in on the BHB meetings and secret discussions.....eh? Perhaps that 
is why the series (and the story, really) ended on that note: BOB had won
the first round, he had gotten what he wanted. The next phase is BOB trying to
destroy all the resistance to himself while Cooper tries to break out.
	Just thoughts, replies welcome..


							-Jeff Somers
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Subject: FWWM: more box office news
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:33:13 GMT

An updated version of the clari article takes an even harsher
tone toward FWWM:
>	``Pet Sematary 2'' posted a respectable debut, but it may disappear
>quickly as horror films usually lose big chunks of their initial
>audiences. However, it was a far better opening than the weekend's other
>major opening, New Line's ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me,'' which
>failed to generate much heat and ranked in eighth place with an
>estimated $1.9 million at 691 screens.

Given that these two movies did about the same in $/screen, it is
disappointing that the popular press looks only at the $ figure.
People will read this in their local paper (clari articles are
taken from UPI) and conclude that FWWM is doing poorly, which 
really isn't true. Sad.
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Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Continuity questions on FWWM vs. TV episodes  <Spoilers of sorts>
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:12:30 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: jhbrown@athena.mit.edu's message of 31 Aug 92 22:24:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.222429.20374@athena.mit.edu> jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:

   In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
   although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

She does say it, in a very odd voice and with her lips distorted in a
way that suggested that BoB was taking over.

   Leland did not appear to rape Laura or Ronnette, and everyone in the cabin
   seemed a mite overdressed for the sort of orgy that was in theory going on.

Most of the orgy was off-screen.  They cut pretty quickly from Laura
begging Jacques not to tie her up, to Jacques pulling his pants back
up.

   There was no mention of the poker chip from OEJack's that was found in
   Laura's stomach.

And they didn't show Waldo pecking at Laura's shoulders.  It seemed
like Lynch mostly didn't want to show the parts of the murder that had
already been described.

   Leland didn't put a letter under anyone's fingernail on-screen.

Ditto.  (No, silly, that's _Ghost_.)

-30-
Bob

``The football is empty.''
From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM ads
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:21:24 GMT

People have been talking about the lack of advertising for this movie,
so I thought I'd mention what I've seen so far.  Hasn't been much at all.
Full page ads have been running in various movie magazines (Premiere,
Movieline, etc.) and the movie poster was selling pretty well at the San Diego
Comic Convention.

The trailer has already been mentioned.  My roommate saw it before Single White
Female.  It's about 1 min 45 sec long and has lots of scenes that you would
expect.

So far I've seen two TV ads.  One has 2001-like choral effects that make it
real creepy and is geared to horror fans, I think.  Hypes the film as
real violent.  Includes shots of Leland screaming as he marches Laura
and Ronnette by flashlight, BOB, Laura screaming with blood around her mouth,
etc.  The second one has only music by Julee Cruise (Questions in a World of
Blue) and is similar to the trailer.  Here we get a shot of Desmond.

ed


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From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The Pink Room (musical (slight) spoiler) (NOT!)
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:35:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug25.122252.7121@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
|Alright... Music Trivia time.
|
|Where did you all hear the tune _The Pink Room_ before?

	Ummm...Not before this FWWM album...

|Yes that's right! Bobby put it on the jukebox in the very first episode.
|Remember... "I'll see you in my dreams, Norma Jennings!"
|
|"Not if I see you first!"
|
|Rent the Euroflick if you don'believe me ;-)

	Again, ummmm.  I *own* the euroflick, and these two are *not* the
same.  You do mean the one that begins with a *boom* *boom* *boom*,
followed by a sound roughly akin to a record player starting up again
after a power outage, right?

	Let's try again.  It's on the Lynch/Badalamenti Industrial
Symphony No. 1.  The title is "I'm hurt bad."  And for all those who care
about winning trivia pursuit (tm) after all these years, it is written 
by both Lynch and Badalamenti, even though there are no lyrics...

	Check your facts again.  I know I wouldn't mind doing so myself! ;)

-- 
---------------------------+- If we took the bones out, it wouldn't --
jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  be crunchy, would it?  -  MPFC
---------------------------+  That is your reciept for your husband,
and this is my reciept for your reciept. - Brazil
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From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM and Euro version of pilot
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:33:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.060429.28986@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:
>      are "One in the same" and I assumed the Giant has been like the "keeper"
                ^^
		and

>	   One chance out between two worlds,
               ^^^^^^
	       chants

I believe my corrections are correct.  Anyone have scripts or close-captioning
info to confirm?

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

  I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they
  don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when
  somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: CT42 <CT42@polytec1.polymtl.ca>
Subject: Some stuff related to Twin pEaks
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:02:12 GMT

Hello there.  As such, I haven't seen FWWM yet, so I cannot comment
on it just now.  Most of my friends didn't follow the series anyway.

In any case, I have two questions : I have heard that Julee Cruise
is now in another band; anybody knows which one?

Secondly, a friend of mine wants to know in which fashion magazine
Sherilyn (sp?) Fenn appeared last year.  Any info would be
appreciated.  Have a .. good time of the day.



Steph
Ain't got no sig, mun.
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM (Spoilers)
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Some comments...













1) Loved the girl in the beginning. The fact she was there did
two things for me: One, I instantly respected Desmond for picking
up on all those clues JUST LIKE THAT! Two, and more importantly,
GORDON KNOWS ABOUT THE LODGE. Blue Rose, remember? Now, why
hasn't he said anything?

2) How many people want to lay money that Jurgen Prochnow is
Mr. Lanterman?

3) The arm sounds like an indian. So does SDC. Thoughts?

4)I checked the back of the CD- with the biggest picture of the
angel. No way that's Annie.

5) Why was so much camera time spent on the picture angel's wings
and the garden behind them? did I miss something?

6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
mask throughout the film.

7) Is it just me, or was there a new table next to what was 
traditionally Coop's seat in the Waiting Room?

8) Sucking up the Creamed Corn was really a backwards play of
someone spitting it out. Gross.

9) Annie had the blood on her face when she got out of the
Lodge, too. She also had the blood on her face when she was 
playing "Dead Caroline" next to Coop. However, when Windom showed
her to Coop in the "Throne Room" (Or what would have been), she was
fine. Why?

10) How come Leland just walked through the drapes into the 
waiting room, while Dale had to go through a corridor first?

Comments, people?
                                         George...
"Welcome to Canada"
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Wood, plastic, floating
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:34:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <9209030125.AA04234@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
>spoilers ahead...









><crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu> writes:
>>odd thing -- my perception of the Palmer's house in FWWM was that it
>>was MUCH SMALLER INSIDE than in TP. The livingroom with that screen

>I noticed the same thing myself, but I'm not sure if it is really a
>different set, or that I just haven't watched my tapes lately.  I'm
>planning on seeing FWWM again on Thursday (if it's still in town...)

Simple answer.  The one used in the series was the studio set.  The one
in FWWM -- and in the original pilot -- was the real McCoy.  The actual
interior of the house in Snoqualmie used for the Palmers' house.

Sound good?
From: adrian@cs.wm.edu (Adrian T. Filipi)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FTP site?
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:53:42 GMT
Organization: The College of William and Mary

Could someone repost the ftp site where Tp stuff can be found. I think
it was audry.something.

thanks,

Adrian
From: curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov (Curt Wiederhoeft)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: missing item in FWWM
Date: 1 Sep 1992 13:04:06 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: LESC

In article <STATMAN.92Aug31120015@marlin.stat.ufl.edu>, statman@stat.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid) writes:

> 	The one thing that it was missing that no one, yet, has
> commented about is the owls!  All through the scene with LP and Bobby in
> the forest with the flashlight panning through the trees I expected to
> see owls.  But not a one!  Anywhere!  This is just a minor thing (is it?
> only maybe.) but I missed them.
 
This was the first thing I commented on when I left the theater. Maybe
THAT was what Jurgen Prochnow was there for. He looked like an owl. ;-)
The SECOND comment was the only major continuity error: Leo never got any
of Jacques' blood on his shirt. 'Nuff said, I don't want to add any
spoilers.

(I don't count Dale's autobiography as canon, so I won't comment on
the conflicting continuity there...)

Curt Wiederhoeft
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: oberst@hitam.Princeton.EDU (Daniel J. Oberst)
Subject: Re: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.192850.17273@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Scott Borders) writes:
> 
.> In the Twin Peaks saga, we have now seen the beginning (FWWM) and
> the middle (the TV series).  Will we see an end? 
We still haven't seen the beginning!!....what about Agent Cooper's early days  
at Germanton Friends? And the whole thing between him and Earle and Caroline.  
No, I think we need a prequel to FWWM!!
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Table (Spoiler)
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Observation about the last episode & the film...










































On to the news...
   In the last episode, when Coop & Windom are in the last room
of the Lodge, there are two green formica tables, the same ones
as the one the ring is on in the "Don't take the ring" sequence.
Any idea if the "Meeting place" is another gateway to the Lodges?

             Just an inane thought after being up all night...
                                         George...
"Thank you. Thank you kindly."
From: mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:46:51 GMT
Organization: Apple ATG
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Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
From: Michael Kandall, kandall@nsg.sgi.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:53:02 GMT
In article <KANDALL.92Aug26205302@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Michael Kandall,
kandall@nsg.sgi.com writes:

[... stuff about the movie ...]

>I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
>it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
>it won't be pretty, either ...
>

Here's the only positive comment I've seen so far (the last paragraph of
a positive but not warm review in the Boston Phoenix):

"Don't simply be put off by the cascade of negative reviews. But know
before you go that Fire Walk with Me is like sticking your head down a
tuba. The pictures that reverberate from the mighty blast come from deep
inside somebody's organs. Lynch's, certainly. Who knows, maybe yours,
too."

Anybody heard anything *really* positive?

Mark.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: I want my garmonzobia!  (spoiler?)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:07:11 GMT

In article <p5h0nq4@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>i want my garmonzobia!
>or was it
>i want my garmonbozia!
>or was it
>i want my garbonzomia!
>or was it
>i want my garzonbomia!
>
>what ever it is, what is it?  are we talking creamed corn here?
>
>sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

In the final scene, the subtitles translate it as "pain and
suffering", or words to that effect.


-- 
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From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Ring in FWWM
Date: 29 Aug 1992 22:11:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu

Spoilers


The ring had an image of a "Owl," similar to the one found
in Owl Cave....I thought it was a wedding ring, a bond between
the wearer and "the devil," BOB, and the Black Lodge.


I was confused myself with Bowie, and the dream or whatever it
was which followed. Was it what happened to Bowie while he was
missing--which I believe he had been/was considering both Gordon
and Cooper's expressions--or was it some dream that Coop had had
concerning Bowie? Or a mixture? A what of the dream/vision: the
lumberjacks, and the Tremonds, and the Creamed Corn, ie "sorrow
and pain?"


Sally--Enjoyed the movie more that I expected to--A. Wilson


-- 
And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
From: jpm10@cd.amdahl.com (Jim Millar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM Continuity Quibble *SPOILERS*
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:31:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <15224@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit
the Frog here...) writes:
>Just a screw-up between TP: FWWM and episode #2009 of the regular
>series.
>
>As you of course all recall, in #2009 Donna and Cooper go to the late
>Harold Smith's place (and the "Tremonds"' place too) and get the last
>page of Laura's diary.  "Thursday, February 22nd.  Tonight is the
>night
>that I die..." et cetera.
>
...
>
>Laura gives her diary to Harold at the BEGINNING of the movie.  If she
>didn't have the book, how did those pages get into it?
>
>Now, bearing in mind that Episode #2009 was one big kludge anyway, I'm
>looking for some way of explaining this that actually makes it all
>make
>SENSE.

No, that bothered me, too. I don't remember it from #2009, but I remember it
from the published diary. The diary had some of the scenes from the
movie, and went up to the night of her death. Laura says in the diary that 
she knows who BOB is. I thought this was a big inconsistency in the movie.

(Initially I though they could have put the Harold Smith scene a lot later in
the movie pretty easily. Now I'm realizing they would have to put it in the
night of her death, somewhere before or between seeing James and Leo&Jacques.)

I also think Cooper had a line of dialogue straight from his
autobiography, too. 
I'll have to check.

Jim Millar
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:32:41 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

> I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
> 	Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
> would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
> possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
> the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?
> 	So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
> that Pink Room scene ;-)
> Later, 
> Mike (no, not *that* Mike!)

Thay can't be the case because then coup would see mike as the lmfap in his 
dreams, he doesn't he sees them seperately. Also if the LMFAP is the arm 
that containes the tatoo and the eavel part of MIKE then he can't be Mike as 
a hole. I think that the seen in the convienence store with the "pain and 
suffering was supposed to take place befor the rest of the film and before 
mike cut his arm off and became good. Rembur in coops dream "We le it." Mike 
lived in the store with bob BEFORE turning good. Does anyone rembur if he 
had the arm in that sean.
          --=>Arogorn<=--
          >>------------>

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