HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Erik Naggum <SGML@ifi.uio.no>
Reply-To: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:09:55 +0100
Subject: Re: WANTED : Documentation on SGML.

[Bill Downing]
|
|   A good book, authored by the "father of SGML", is Charles Goldfarb's
|   SGML Handbook published by Oxford University Press. This is about as
|   close as I've seen to an authoritative SGML text without actually
|   going to the ISO standard doc itself...

Huh?  Charles F. Goldfarb: The SGML Handbook (ISBN 0-19-853737-9)
_includes_ the text of ISO 8879 verbatim, in toto, with his annotations.
(It also has a tutorial on LINK, and an excellent overview of the
concepts and definitions in the standard, which helps organize them, and
ties them together.  I'd rate this overview as the most important part
of the book after having worn out one copy of it.)

Charles Goldfarb is the project editor for the SGML standard, and the
Handbook contains the text of the standard with amendment 1, and with
the clarifications proposed by ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 18/WG 8.  This means
that The SGML Handbook is arguably more authoritative than the standard.

If there is any source of information on SGML, the language and the
standard, this book is it.  Joan Smith and Robert Stutely: SGML: A
User's Guide to ISO 8879 (ISBN 0-7458-0221-4 or ISBN 0-470-21126-1)
contains a very valuable index of the public entities defined in the
standard, with a typical glyph for each.

Best regards,
</Erik>
--
Erik Naggum                 ISO  8879 SGML                    +47 295 0313
                            ISO 10744 HyTime
<erik@naggum.no>            ISO  9899 C                 Memento, terrigena
<enag@ifi.uio.no>           ISO 10646 UCS             Memento, vita brevis
From: jme@c-art-w.wimsey.bc.ca (Yukon Kid)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: SGML authoring tools
Keywords: tools, previewing, validating, SGML, authoring, editing
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:19:49 GMT
Reply-To: jme@c-art-w.wimsey.bc.ca (Yukon Kid)
Organization: COMPUTING ART Inc

In article <1992Dec16.144410.21104@unixland.natick.ma.us> bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
|In article <1992Dec15.221604.318@rsvl.unisys.com> gray@rsvl.unisys.com (Bill Gray ) writes:
|>I need to know what tools exist for creating and maintaining documents
|>in SGML.  UNIX or MS-DOS platforms are preferred.
|>
|>The target application is software and hardware documentation in multiple
|>media (for example, paper, online man pages, and CD-ROM).  We need to be
|>able to embed hypertext links in the output for the CD-ROM output.
|>
|>Thanks in advance,
|>
|I've got a lot of info on this but most of it is in hardcopy form...to
|get you started, try Avalanche Corp. in Boulder Colorado at
|303-449-5032 or Interleaf in Waltham, MA. Both are heavily into SGML
|markup tools. I can send you alot more info if you send me a SASE with
|about 75 cents postage (make it a 9 x 11 envelope). Also, if this
|group has an FAQ, there's undoubtedly some info there as well...

You may want to look into FrameBuilder also.  FrameBuilder is a
re-incarnation of FrameMaker as a structured WYSIWYG SGML-compatible
authoring tool, with `Guided Editing', etc.  FrameMaker/Builder is 
being used in many enterprises for it's hypertext multi-media 
capabilities.  It's available now.  

Check Frame Technology out at 408.433.3311 or e-mail me for more info.  
(Yes, we will be selling FrameBuilder ..  %^)

-jme

John Eadie  _Computing Art Inc_  
    416.287.6811 -or- 604.922.5104  FAX: 604.922.5194
      jme@well.sf.ca.us | jme@c-art-w.wimsey.bc.ca

`As sad care with memories of pain comes dropping upon the heart in sleep, 
so even against our will does wisdom come upon us'  -Aeschylus
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: gray@rsvl.unisys.com (Bill Gray )
Subject: SGML authoring tools
Summary: Surveying available SGML authoring tools in various platforms
Keywords: tools, previewing, validating, SGML, authoring, editing
Organization: rsvl.unisys
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:16:04 GMT

I need to know what tools exist for creating and maintaining documents
in SGML.  UNIX or MS-DOS platforms are preferred.

The target application is software and hardware documentation in multiple
media (for example, paper, online man pages, and CD-ROM).  We need to be
able to embed hypertext links in the output for the CD-ROM output.

Thanks in advance,

Bill
-- 
: gray@RSVL.UNISYS.COM                      : "There are four kinds of         :
:                                           :  homicide: felonious, excusable, :
: Unisys has enough problems without being  :  justifiable, and praiseworthy." :
: blamed for my personal opinions.          :     --Ambrose Bierce             :
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: var@sgi.com (Victor Riley)
Subject: Frame equations to SGML translation
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:31:26 GMT

I'm curious if anyone has come up with a conversion tool that will translate
equations in Framemaker to SGML.  Frame has a sophisticate equation generation
tool that actually has "live" equation support.  What we need is something
that will translate the MIF equations into SGML.  If anyone has already done
this we would greatly appreciate any help or hints.

	Victor A. Riley
	Hypertext Engineer
	Silicon Graphics, Inc.
	var@sgi.com
	(415) 390-1829
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: bernd@melon.iss.nus.sg (Bernd Nordhausen)
Subject: "Markup Structure Information Set"
Reply-To: bernd@iss.nus.sg (Bernd Nordhausen)
Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:18:47 GMT


I would like to write an application that parses a document, performs some 
function on the document, and then reproduces the original
document. For example, given a document, I would like to change the contents
of a particular element,  but leave the rest untouched. (i.e. to produce a
identical copy of a document with some contents changed).

In order for that I need what I would call "markup structure information set"
(as opposed to the element structure information set).  For example, I would
need to know about element minimization, entities, etc.  Does any of the public domain or commercially available parsers provide that kind of information?

What about arcsgml? How difficult would it be to write such application using
arcsgml?

Thanks in advance,

Bernd

-- 
   Bernd Nordhausen (bernd@iss.nus.sg)
   Institute of Systems Science                           Ph: +65 772-6240 
   National University of Singapore                      FAX: +65 778-2571
   Singapore 0511                               
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: ditroff format
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Qf=oufa00gpm4n6dwZ
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If you have the transcript source from Adove, the ditroff format is 
described in some comments at the beginning of psdit.c

Fred Hansen
Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon
(412) 268-6788   wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk (Paul Moore)
Subject: ditroff format
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:05:17 GMT

Is there  a spec for the ditroff format (other than reverse-engineering groff)?
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw (Lin Wei-Ting)
Subject: Cannot change a canvas background.
Reply-To: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:36:35 GMT

dpy=(Display *)xv_get(canvas_paint_window(obj),XV_DISPLAY);
gc=DefaultGC(dpy,DefaultScreen(dpy));
XSetBackground(dpy,gc,pixvalue=(unsigned long)XGetPixel(ximage,k,j));

It cannot work,why?

Thanks.
From: janm@Kiev.DoCS.UU.SE (Jan Mattsson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Problem with OLIT's StaticText widget
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:36:24 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kiev.docs.uu.se
Keywords: OLIT, StaticText

It seems like you can't change the foreground color of a
StaticText widget that has a background pixmap. Is that so,
or have I misunderstood something? Changing the font color
seems to work.

-- 
Jan Mattsson, CS student, Uppsala University, Sweden
janm@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: hines@socrates.ucsf.edu (Wade Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: xvps/cps problems with OW3
Summary: demos from ow2 crash under ow3
Keywords: xvps postscript cps ow
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:32:13 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

I've been using cps to do simple plotting of spectra on an xview
postscript canvas.  I began by bastardizing a demo program 
supplied with OW2.0 in
usr/openwin/share/src/sun/xview/demos/xvps/
None of these programs works now that I have upgraded to OW3.
Has anyone else seen this or knows what's going on.  I get core
dumps and the stack trace dumped but I'm not that hard core.
Part of the stack dump follows.

rafael# Hello2
XView warning: PScanvas NeWS Error:
***ERROR***
process(0x364088, 'rafael.ucsf.edu NeWS client', runnable)
Error: /typecheck
Command: 'setgray'
.
.
.
  at: '.packedarray_exec_cont' {... 'currentprocess' /Stdout 'get' 'clearpackagestack' 'cvx
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

--Wade 
hines@socrates.ucsf.edu or wade@rafael.ucsf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: pgreen@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Philip Green)
Subject: Snapshot default printer selection
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:33:19 GMT

Were running Sunos 4.1.2 with OpenWindows version 3.

Snapshot by default selects Monochrome Printer in the
print options window. How can I change the default 
selection. 

Page 308 of the Deskset Reference Guide says
"If your printer is a black-and-white printer, check the Monochrome
 Printer check box. This speeds up the printing process."


The problem is that it is selected by default. How
do I change it?

Thanks
-- 
Phil Green                           	pgreen@aoc.nrao.edu
NRAO					505.835.7294
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH))
Subject: olvwm 3.3 on AIX suddenly eats all memory
Keywords: olvwm AIX
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:05:15 GMT


I recently compiled olvwm, PATCHLEVELv3 3 and libolgx 3.1, on an RS/6000,
using bsdcc as suggested. The port was fairly uneventful (yay).

However, once in a while it will suddenly start malloc()ing (or brk()ing,
whatever) endlessly, until the kernel kills it after a few seconds. In the
few intervening seconds, I can't generate a coredump since, well, the window
manager is not surprisingly being rather unresponsive...

Does anybody have a cure for this?
-- 
Pontus Hedman			rph@sq.com		{uunet|utzoo}!sq!rph
AX25:VE3RPH @ VE3OGS.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM			(416) 239-4801
From: fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: olvwm 3.3 now available
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:27:39 GMT
Distribution: world

> The ICCCM states that icon pixmaps should be of depth 1 (section 4.1.2.4).
> If you need a multi-color icon, use an icon-window.

Does anyone know what's the human factors reason that icons should only
be 2 color?

Frank G.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: Spell Checker
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 00:16:53 GMT

> lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>>That would be useful.  When _I_ try it, it fails due to the fact that
>>OW 3.0 drops the selection before ispell gets a chance to complete its task...

howie@sunny.dab.ge.com writes:
> When I implemented this feature in my .text_extras_menu menu I had the same
> problem.  [...]
> Sun has no plans to fix this problem in the near future (A documented bug).

One way round it might be to put the output in /tmp/textsw_shelf.
Another might be to run the spell in the background, but that's not as good.

Is it really that hard to fix the XView textsw bug here?

Lee

-- 
lee@sq.com (Liam Quin) the barefoot programmer; SoftQuad Inc +1 416 239 4801
 OPEN LOOK UI FAQ; Metafont list; HexSweeper NeWS game; lq-text text retrieval
 `The delights of hirsute sex
  let us leave to Welsh shepherds'		-- Meleager, ~4th C BCE
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping)
Subject: A Better Programming Interface for OLIT?
Organization: Hope College Dept of CS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:51:24 GMT

I like XView as a toolkit.  But as Sun invests its efforts into OLIT and
not XView, I'm starting to learn and use OLIT.  First impressions about
the toolkit is that it's more *primitive* than XView: it takes lower
level calls and much more of them to do things that I can do in XView.

Ok Ok...don't flame.  Let's call it a "finer grain" programming
interface.

The developers of Sun's GUIDE seem to agree.  Using "golit" on a GIL
description file produces a file chock full of macro calls -- very
little "real" C code (if any).  For example, to construct a button, the
following is generated:

        ExternWidgetDesc(Testing_button1);
        BeginWidgetDesc(Testing_button1)
           DefineWidgetDesc(
              NullGolitWidgetDescPtr,
              NullGolitWidgetDescPtr,
              NullGolitWidgetDescPtr,
              "Testing_button1",
              oblongButtonWidgetClass,
              ArgListDesc(Testing_button1),
              TypedArgListDesc(Testing_button1),
              CallbackInfoListDesc(Testing_button1),
              _GolitWDDefaultCPList
           )
        EndWidgetDesc(Testing_button1);

Now, my question is:  Is there a better programming interface for OLIT?
Is the GUIDE code part of a "standard" API that Sun will produce?  Have
others sat down and built a set of macros or some higher lever C calls
that help produce OLIT programs in a cleaner, higher-level manner?

Thanks.  I'll summarize.

      Mike Jipping
      Hope College Department of Computer Science
      jipping@cs.hope.edu  (BITNET: JIPPING@HOPE)

      "It was a marketing coup ... to rename SunOS 4.1.X to 
       Solaris 1.0.  That way, Solaris 2.X could be called 
       an upgrade..."
                                    -- Rob Kolstad, SUG '92
From: sledge@zelator.in-berlin.de (Matthias Gruber)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Bitmap on Desktop-Background
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:11:17 GMT
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System

Hi there !

Sorry if this is a FAQ (I didnt found it there :-(), but I'd like to
put a colorpicture in the Baground of my Desktop.

At the moment I use xsetroot to get a B/W-Picture there.

I'm using olvwm 3.3.

ANy clues ??


Thanks in advance

Matthias

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 EMAIL: sledge@zelator.in-berlin.de  			 Matthias Gruber
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dcoyle@holly.gpsemi.com (Diarmuid Coyle LDC X2414 AKA "The Terminator")
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: PANEL_LIST with white background?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:35:09 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors

When creating a PANEL_LIST (xview) how do I get the panel to be white
like mailtool. I can only get it to be the same colour as the frame.


OW2 - sun0s4.1.2 - olwm - sun IPX



many thanks
dcoyle@lincoln.gpsemi.com
From: joagre@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Joakim Greben|)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Limit event handling to one window!
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:14:20 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: oslo.docs.uu.se

Is it possible to let only *one* window register events
ie nothing should happen if I try to operate on any other
window in my application?

Help! Is this possible?

Thanks in advance...

--
Joakim Greben| (joagre@student.docs.uu.se)
Uppsala University (Sweden)
--
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: poem_fv@wm.estec.esa.nl (POEM Frederic Vermenouze)
Subject: OLIT scrolling list
Keywords:   OlKeyDef
Reply-To: poem_fv@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:20:29 GMT

I use scrolling lists to display data from a simulation.
The proper data is displayed on the scrolling list but
I get a run time warning:

Warning: String to OlKeyDef found illegal syntax: <>

The backround collor of the scolling list goes to black
and the text to red.
I get the error message when calling the functions:
*applDeleteItem, *applAddItem.
Here are the calls :

/* del item */
if (! list_empty_inst)		(*applDeleteItem)(widget,instrument_token[j]); 
/* add item */
instrument_token[j] = (*applAddItem)(widget, 0, 0, instrument_item); 

Any adviced welcomed. Please email it to poem_fv@wm.estec.esa.nl.

Fred.


Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:4849 comp.windows.x:20297
From: dale@ntg.com (Dale Luck)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: olvwm 3.3 now available (now where?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:08:03 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article < smartin@Canada.lsil.com (Stephen Martin) writes:
>|> Since olvwm now supports Xpm, does this mean that if an application has a
>|> icon defined that has a greater depth than 1, it will display it?

I must have missed the original post. Could someone email to me
where I can snarf this up?
Thanks in advance.
Dale Luck
From: mireley@arnou.cem.msu.edu.brewery (John D. Mireley)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Spell Checker
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:21:10 GMT
Reply-To: mireley@arnou.cem.msu.edu.brewery
Organization: Michigan State University Department of Chemistry

Is there a spelling checker integrated into the OL 3.0 DeskSet from
Sun? If there is, I missed it. Can someone enlighten me. If not, is
there one available on the net?

John Mireley
---
 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: peterl@tone.whoi.edu (Peter Lemmond)
Subject: devguide 3 Error Message
Reply-To: peterl@tone.whoi.edu
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:23:11 GMT


When switching from Test to Build Mode with devGuide 3.0, I frequently
get the following error message:

     XView warning: Notifier error: Too many interposition functions

Is this something I should worry about? I don't "think" I have any
serious problem in the apps that I eventually generate, but would
appreciate any insight.

Thanks,
-Peter

p.s. I tried dragging this error message into AnswerBook and SunSolve,
     but, of course, no help. Isn't this the purpose of on-line docs???


|   Peter Lemmond                                           |
|   Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Woods Hole, MA    |
From: sdo@piccolo.East.Sun.COM (Scott Oaks - Sun Consulting NYC)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: olvwm questions
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:52:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sdo@piccolo.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: piccolo.east.sun.com



> |> |>2. Function keys set up to move me to various locations on the virtual
> |> |>   desktop only seem to work if my pointer is over a window.  They don't
> |> |>   seem to take effect when the pointer is over the root. 

This is a newly introduced bug in 3.3.  Sigh.
---
----------
Scott Oaks
Sun Microsystems	(scott.oaks@sun.com)
From: dcoyle@holly.gpsemi.com (Diarmuid Coyle LDC X2414 AKA "The Terminator")
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Is there anybody there????
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:09:45 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors

If aynone can read this message send me a message. 

	thanks 
	dcoyle@lincoln.gpsemi.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: isc30202@nusunix1.nus.sg (VEERAMANI S/O KRISHNAN)
Subject: scrolling problem
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:35:30 GMT

I need to be informed of the position of the scrollbar
(precisely the SCROLLBAR_VIEW _START) whenever i do 
scrolling. I need to know this so that i can append
the next image to the canvas when the scrolling reaches
a certain point. I have tried to do this by making
CANVAS_RETAINED to be false. But this means that every
time i click on the scrollbar, i have to wait for the 
canvas repaint program to paint the exposed area. This 
is rather slow. I want to be informed of the scrollbar
position but not by the canvas repaint program.

I hope someone can help me out.

Thanks in advance.

					veera 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: srikanth@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Srikanth Thirumalai)
Subject: HELP ! Question on default font setting....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:30:51 GMT


Hello, 

I have been trying to find out from the man pages on open windows and
xview, how to change the default font of th text appearing in my windows
but i don't seem to be getting anywhere. Can some one tell me how this is
done ?

Since I don't read this news group regularly, I would appreciate it if 
you could send me mail about this.

thanks,

srikanth.

srik@vision.csl.uiuc.edu
srikanth@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody there????
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:12:55 GMT

While we can read your msg, we cannot email you - netcom.com says
that gpsemi.com has never heard of holly.gpsemi.com and when
I try sending to dcoyle@gpsemi.com, it says that it never heard of
you...
-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
From: scp1524@hertz.njit.edu (scott c pearson cis stnt)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Athena Widgets and OpenWindows 3.0
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:04:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: scp1524@hertz.njit.edu

While compiling some contributed X software (xpostit3.3.1) I discovered that
my distribution of OpenWindows does not include the athena widget set (Xaw).
Is there an open-look substitute for Xaw?  If there is, how extensive would
the required source code modifications be (typically)?  If there is not, is
there a way to get the athena widget set without a complete X distribution?
From: ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk (Jonny Farringdon)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Screen Savers for open-look
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:10:22 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium


>But, is there anyway to do it *without* having to "lock" the screen and 
>enter a password to get back?

>Also, what file would I put this command in to have it run automatically? 

get xautolock from archie, /contrib on X11R5  &c

.Xdefaults ...
xautolock*time:         3
xautolock*locker:       xlock -nolock -mode random
xautolock*corners:      ++++

(this will run xlock with a random pattern after 3 mins WITHOUT locking
 your screen, key/mouse click will restore screen) Pointer in corner will
 start it automatically.)

.xinitrc ...

(sleep 90; echo 'nice xautolock &' | sh) &


(the sleep is so that starting up X doesn't take longer than it has to.
 the echo is for window managers like ol[v]wm. If you use ``???wm &'' and
 ``wait'' the wm can get confused and upon ``quit'', not kill xautolock, 
 and leave you with a blank X screen  ;-)


Then all will be well.  J.  ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk