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From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Hard drives & file space
X-Xxdate: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01: 29:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:38:05 GMT

In article <9235813.2960@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Matt Riddle,
matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>I have encountered an unexpected anomaly when using a large capacity hard
>drive.  Inve noticed that files using less than 16K actually always take
>up exactly 16K of disk space.

Welcome to the world of Macintosh HFS (Hierarchical File System) where
the maximum number of allocation units on a volume is 65536.  Therefore
if you have a big drive (say 1GB) then a 1 byte file is going to
take 16K on the disk (1024*1024/65536).

But worse than that, each fork of the file requires an allocation
unit so you can have a file contain 512 bytes (256 in the data fork,
256 in the resource fork) that takes 32K on disk!

For more information about the internals of HFS see IM IV-159..174.

>I wonder if anyone has a simple reason or solution to offer?

The only solution at the moment is to partition the drive into multiple
volumes.  Each volume has a much smaller size, and hence a
smaller allocation block size.  If you half the volume size you
half the internal fragmentation.

The only *good* solution is for Apple to write a new file system to
replace HFS.  This isn't going to happen until they release the
(somewhat mythical) File System Manager that (is reported to) make
adding new file systems easy.  Don't hold your breath.

Quinn "The Eskimo!"      <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>     "Support HAVOC!"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
  -- Can anyone say "Seemed like a good idea at the time!"
Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: simon@archsci.arch.su.edu.au (Simon Hayman)
Subject: No zones in Messages
Followup-To: aus.mac
Organization: University of Sydney
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:15:17 GMT

Help! I appear to have lost the appletalk zones in Messages (the DA
V0.9/cdev V1.0 Message System from the Uni of Melbourne) hence making it
useless. Am running System 7.0.1 on ClassicII with inumerable, normally
stable, cdevs, etc. Has this nice little utility come to the end of its
life?
Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Red Mountain)
Subject: Re: Hard drives & file space
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:09:28 GMT

In <9235813.2960@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Matt Riddle <matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au> writes:

>I have encountered an unexpected anomaly when using a large capacity hard
>drive.  Inve noticed that files using less than 16K actually always take
>up exactly 16K of disk space.  Also, larger files tend to take a lot more
>room on the big drive than elsewhere.  I wonder if anyone has a simple
>reason or solution to offer?

I don't have the inclination to go & look for the exact info right now (it's
after 11pm & I've had a long day :-), but what it bois down to, is that the 
bigger hard drive you have, the larger the minimum file size. I think it has 
to do with the block size of the device: larger device, larger blocks. But 
0-15k per small file on a 1 Gig drive? I wouldn't worry too much. Of course, 
you will fill whatever size HD you have to capacity, and you'll want another 
drive then, not just another few k of space :-) The larger files shouldn't 
take too much more space (16k blocks notwithstanding), and it might be 
possible that partitioning the drive might help. I don't know if it would, 
though, as I've not done it myself.

Hope this helps,
Marty.
---------------------=============***O***=============-------------------------
Martin J. Gleeson  | Computer Science, Melbourne Uni, Oz |    ...  __o    Outta
gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au |     E Pluribus Unix         |  ...   -\<,       my
"We gladly feast on those who would subdue us." - Addams |  ....(_)/(_)..  way!
 "I can't give you brains, but I can give you a diploma." - The Wizard of Oz
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Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: Matt Riddle <matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Hard drives & file space
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75F5A0C78039C32@mriddle.insted.unimelb.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20: 14:04 GMT
Organization: Science Mutimedia, University of Melbourne
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:11:39 GMT

In article <9235813.2960@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Matt Riddle,
matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>I have encountered an unexpected anomaly when using a large capacity hard
>drive.  Inve noticed that files using less than 16K actually always take
>up exactly 16K of disk space.  Also, larger files tend to take a lot more
>room on the big drive than elsewhere.  I wonder if anyone has a simple
>reason or solution to offer?
>  I imagine there is some overhead with respect to directory information,
>perhaps, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

I received 3 replies to the above querie.  Thanks to r.exner@trl.oz.au,
Joe Miles, and Martin Gleeson.  r.exners response sums up what they all
said:

From r.exner:
A Mac partition can hold only 65536 blocks. So the bigger the disk the
bigger the bytes per block. A 32M (or smaller) partition has blocks of 512
bytes. A partition greater than 65536 x 8K (= 500MB) will need 16K blocks,
so the smallest disk file will require 16K. 

The solution: partition a big disk into a number of smaller partitions.

Thanks again, and Merry Christmas to one & all!

Matt


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University of Melbourne                  |

Internet/AARNET matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au
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Xref: sparky aus.mac:1422 aus.forsale:2228 aus.wanted:1118
From: u6104701@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.mac,aus.forsale,aus.wanted
Subject: Re: Mac Classic,Bicycle,table & chair for sales (Melbourne/victoria)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:14:25 GMT
Followup-To: aus.followup
Distribution: aus
Organization: The University of Melbourne

In article <1gs182INNar0@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>, ross@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Ross Howden) writes:
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:46:57 EDT
> From: s921574@otto.bf.rmit.OZ.AU (Kok CHAN)
> Message-Id: <9212170446.29358@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au>
> To: ross@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU
> Subject: Re: Mac Classic,Bicycle,table & chair for sales (Melbourne/victoria)
> Newsgroups: aus.mac,aus.forsale,aus.general,aus.wanted,aus.bicycle
> References: <s921574.724395562@otto> <1gk7qlINN50e@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
> Status: OR
> 
> In aus.wanted you write:
> 
>>To whom it may concern,
>>			Has it ever occured to anybody that you can buy a BRAND
>>new 4/40 Mac Classic for under $1495 right here in sunny Melbourne. Lets make 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
				even less now

>>the for sale ads reasonable PLEASE!!!!!!!
>>Ross.
> 
> I believe that readers will be able to judge what to buy for themselves,

IMHO it is worthwhile having independent input re prices, value for $ and
general discussion on goods.
 
> I also believe that what you pay is what you get.  There must be a reason
> for every things.

what sort of sheltered life have you lived?? 

> Also very important,  buy only if you're happy with the price, otherwise 
> don't buyi, no obligation.   
> -- 
> kokheng           .....  Have a nice day .....
> RMIT,
> Victoria      E-mail address: s921574@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au
> Australia                     s921574@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
> 
> Well anybody out to buy a second hand item here should be very wary!
> 
martin 

u6104701@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: Matt Riddle <matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Hard drives & file space
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75E1E9DBF029C32@mriddle.insted.unimelb.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21: 48:13 GMT
Organization: Science Mutimedia, University of Melbourne
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:45:50 GMT

I have encountered an unexpected anomaly when using a large capacity hard
drive.  Inve noticed that files using less than 16K actually always take
up exactly 16K of disk space.  Also, larger files tend to take a lot more
room on the big drive than elsewhere.  I wonder if anyone has a simple
reason or solution to offer?
  I imagine there is some overhead with respect to directory information,
perhaps, or am I barking up the wrong tree?
  The drive is a Wren 1.0 GB external drive.  It has only recently been
formatted using PLI formatter 3.4.  E-mail replies would be appreciated,
and Inll compile useful info for others to read on aus.mac.
  Thanks in advance.
Matt

______________________________________________________________________
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Science Mutimedia                        | address too.
University of Melbourne                  |

Internet/AARNET matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au
______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: Matt Riddle <matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Hard drives & file space
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75F59B29E029C32@mriddle.insted.unimelb.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20: 12:34 GMT
Organization: Science Mutimedia, University of Melbourne
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:10:16 GMT

In article <9235813.2960@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Matt Riddle,
matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>I have encountered an unexpected anomaly when using a large capacity hard
>drive.  Inve noticed that files using less than 16K actually always take
>up exactly 16K of disk space.  Also, larger files tend to take a lot more
>room on the big drive than elsewhere.  I wonder if anyone has a simple
>reason or solution to offer?
>  I imagine there is some overhead with respect to directory information,
>perhaps, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

I received 3 replies to the above querie.  Thanks to r.exner@trl.oz.au,
Joe Miles, and Martin Gleeson.  r.exners response sums up what they all
said:

From r.exner:
A Mac partition can hold only 65536 blocks. So the bigger the disk the
bigger the bytes per block. A 32M (or smaller) partition has blocks of 512
bytes. A partition greater than 65536 x 8K (= 500MB) will need 16K blocks,
so the smallest disk file will require 16K. 

The solution: partition a big disk into a number of smaller partitions.

Thanks again, and Merry Christmas to one & all!

Matt


______________________________________________________________________
Matthew Riddle                           | I hate my e-mail 
Science Mutimedia                        | address too.
University of Melbourne                  |

Internet/AARNET matthew_riddle.pharmacology@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au
______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: norton@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Norton Chia)
Subject: Netcomm M5 compression activation?
Keywords: Netcomm Hayes MNP M5
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:01:22 GMT

Hi,

I'm using a NetComm SmartModem M5. Anyone know if this has compression like
MNP or CCITT protocols? If so, what are the Hayes commands to activate them?

Obviously, I don't have the manual!!  :-(

Thanks,
Norton
Newsgroups: aus.mac
From: smart@wanda.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Robert Smart)
Subject: import EPSF format?
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 04:47:38 GMT

I have some encapsulated postscript in a unix file -- just text.

I can ftp it in text mode to a Mac.

I have a program (MORE 3.1) which knows how to import EPSF format. 
I guess this is encapsulated postscript. However when I set the
file TYPE in the import menu to EPSF it can't see my text files
with encapsulated postscript in them.

Clearly I need to do something to turn the file into the format
the Mac expects for an EPSF file.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Bob Smart
Newsgroups: aus.mac,aus.computers.ibm-pc
From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: Re: DeskWriter/DeskJet 500 cartridges
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:18:22 GMT
Followup-To: aus.mac,aus.computers.ibm-pc

In article <1992Dec21.002223.5420@trl.oz.au>, tpearson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Trevor Pearson) writes:
> You must be using refilled cartridges or have a bad DJ500. I have
	
	They were both brand new high capacity cartridges (I witnessed them
being taken out of their sealed containers). As for having a bad DJ500,
the problem is to be able to prove it. I would really need an example of
a "good" DJ500 and be able to compare its output to my DJ500 using identical
paper and the same ink cartridge. The dealer I bought it from certainly
wasn't inclined to go to this trouble when it "looks ok" to the uncritical
eye. And how do you get hold of a known "good" DJ500 ?

> personally used 3 DJ500's and about 8-9 ink cartridges, both normal and
> high capacity (not including refills) I have had NO problems you
> indicate. Some paper is better than others for bleeding depending on the
> ink you use.

Agreed.

> Conversely some inks are better than others when refilling.
> Some inks cause major problems with both print quality and nozzle
> clogging. The standard HP cartridges are at least as good as the Canon
> or Brother. Do not blame HP if you are using inferior ink. If you are
> not then you are definitely in the minority with problems.

	Great. Either I have a lemon or my friend with the BJ330 has
a "golden" one.

	Graeme Gill.
From: duncan@werple.apana.org.au (Duncan Robertson)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: "Shadows" wanted
Date: 24 Dec 1992 13:11:42 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:

[...]
>[ For the benefit of our under-30 readers, The Shadows were a popular
>  instrumental group from the '60s.  While everyone else was into
>  vocals (Animals, Beatles, Dave Clark Five etc), Hank Marvin played
>  the most spine-shivering music you ever heard on a lead guitar! ]

Weren't they also Cliff Richards' backing band for a while?

>I'd also be interested in collecting old film clips of the '60s on
>video, such as the Animals, Troggs, Yardbirds etc.  They stopped
>making music after that decade.

Didn't the Troggs release an album with REM (or REM members) recently?

Also I think the comment about no new music after the 60s is open to debate,
but let's not bother...

(I've been alternating between listening to Velvet Underground & Nico, Best
of Blondie, Sugar & Ministry recently -- all good stuff)

-- 
             Duncan Robertson -- duncan@werple.apana.org.au

 "I wanted to know the exact dimensions of hell - does this sound simple?"
                                                      - Sonic Youth
From: lm011@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Alexander Tuchacek)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: VRship Hamburg.de: Call for Participation
Date: 1 Jan 1993 22:17:46 GMT
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de
Keywords: Sounds


Call for international participation in new art/science project.
KNOWBOTIC RESEARCH
Simulation Room -Mosaic of Mobile Sound Data
We are a group of artists and scientists at the Academy of Media
Arts Cologne,  and will be showing a VR installation in February at
the MEDIALE93 - Festival for Media Arts and Media Future - in
Hamburg, Germany. The installation, housed in the freight ship Cap
San Diego in Hamburg - harbour, has three main areas.
Section one is a sophisticated, walk - in data - base  utilising a
collection of sound samples from around the world, which will be
used to produce a virtual 'sound room'.  The sound data will
correspond to the second section,  a physical room, where visitors
will be able to navigate through the space with the aid of a mobile
ultrasonic sensor and an artificial eye display and activate the data 
to a realtime-concert.
The action of the visitors, within  this 'virtual organism,' will be
displayedon a video screen shown in a control room area (the third
area).
We welcome your participation for the international sound - data -
base: To participate in this international project we need from you a
6 second long sound sample, a cultural statement, reflecting
your personal attitude towards the "world". Please send this via
email or ftp. (aiff, wave, next formats)
All participants and institutions will be credited in a publicly
displayed database during the exhibition.
For more information by email from: kr+cf@khm.uni-koeln.de
Thank you for your support - KNOWBOTIC RESEARCH
From: disseldo@surv_sun.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Andrew Disseldorp)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Achtung! I need a U2 tour....
Date: 21 Dec 1992 04:16:55 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au
Originator: disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au

Wow,
	After seeing the U2 Zoo TV special on Sunday night, all I can
say is wow. Blown away. I had heard a lot about the U2 Zoo TV tour,
how it was a "multi-media experience" and the like, but until you see
the scale of the thing, the visuals, and most importantly the music, you
really have no idea. 

	The sceptics of this group will probably say it was self serving
crap, that Bono has a huge ego, and that the band were just stroking
themselves. If that was your attitude, then I suggest that you missed
the point of the show. It is all about hype, information, the
ridiculousness of "stardom" and the facade that is rock "stardom".
I mean would you take anyone seriously who dresses in a silver suit and
hat, and kisses themselves in a mirror? That particular image is 
"obscene" and Bono was exposing the obscenity of it, and in the process
making fun of himself. 

	Personal highlights of the show were Bullet the Blue Sky, which
was done in a very funky manner, and Love comes to town. And if anyone
wants a release number for the George Bush version of We Will Rock you,
I can probably get it for you. It is sampled by a group called EBN.

Comments anyone?

Andrew
(disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au)
Xref: sparky aus.music:1976 rec.music.misc:29769
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: "Shadows" wanted
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 04:39:36 GMT


In article <ggm.725083978@brolga>, ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
|> dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
|> 
|> >I'd also be interested in collecting old film clips of the '60s on
|> >video, such as the Animals, Troggs, Yardbirds etc.  They stopped
|> >making music after that decade.
|> 
|> Not entirely true, Dave. The Troggs were on the student union circuit
|> right up until 1984. 

Add to that list "The Sweet", "Mud", and "Showaddywaddy"!

The Sweet are still doing the student circuit in the UK (aparently). Amazing.

brian
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| Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au |           Open Systems Program           |
| CSIRO/DIT, 723 Swanston st | TEL +61 3 282 2613 -- FAX +61 3 282 2600 |
|Carlton, VIC 3053, Australia|          Experimental Scientist          |
Xref: sparky aus.music:1971 aus.wanted:1115
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.music,aus.wanted
Subject: "Shadows" wanted
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:49:33 GMT
Followup-To: aus.music
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Does anyone have any "Shadows" records or cassettes they no longer want?
No, I don't have a CD player.  Yes, I'm weird :-)

[ For the benefit of our under-30 readers, The Shadows were a popular
  instrumental group from the '60s.  While everyone else was into
  vocals (Animals, Beatles, Dave Clark Five etc), Hank Marvin played
  the most spine-shivering music you ever heard on a lead guitar! ]

I'd also be interested in collecting old film clips of the '60s on
video, such as the Animals, Troggs, Yardbirds etc.  They stopped
making music after that decade.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: gregj@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Santana
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:00:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <724829414.AA02975@csource.oz.au>, Fernando.Jose.Olmos@f366.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Fernando Jose Olmos) writes:
> Any Santana fanatics out there that I can chat with ??
> 
> 
> ... All I need is a Wave and a board to surf it on.
>  * Origin: HotShot BBS Thomastown , Vic (3:633/366)


I once knew a Fernando who went to Holmesglen Tafe - Ass Dip Bus
(Comp Prog) 91. And I remember that he was a Santana fan (nobody's
perfect).

Am I right? Or is it a case of mistaken identity?
Send me a message.

---------
Greg Johnson.
---------
Xref: sparky aus.music:1992 rec.music.misc:29873
From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: CHART: Top 10 singles in the U.S. for 1992
Date: 1 Jan 1993 18:00:20 +1100
Organization: General Access UNIX Group, Monash Uni, Clayton, Vic.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

            /=============================================\
           || The TOP 10 singles in the U.S. for 1992     ||
 __________|/=============================================\|___________
/                                                                      \
1.  END OF THE ROAD - Boyz II Men
2.  BABY GOT BACK - Sir Mix-A-Lot
3.  JUMP - Kris Kross
4.  SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST - Vanessa Williams
5.  BABY BABY - T.L.C.
6.  TEARS IN HEAVEN - Eric Clapton
7.  MY LOVIN' (YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET IT) - En Vogue
8.  UNDER THE BRIDGE - Red Hot Chili Peppers
9.  ALL 4 LOVE - Color Me Badd
10. JUST ANOTHER DAY - Jon Secada
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Denotes Australian/New Zealand Artist
Chart supplied by the CASHBOX SINGLES SURVEY
\______________________________________________________________________/

                           ==================
                           JAMIE's MUSIC LINE
           /=============/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\=============\
          || Mail to this address if you have any questions ||
          || or require some information:                   ||
          ||                                                ||
          ||   jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                  ||
           \================================================/
-- 
		Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne, Australia.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: "Shadows" wanted
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:12:58 GMT

dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>I'd also be interested in collecting old film clips of the '60s on
>video, such as the Animals, Troggs, Yardbirds etc.  They stopped
>making music after that decade.

Not entirely true, Dave. The Troggs were on the student union circuit
right up until 1984. 

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht