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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:44:25 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Apr9.131124.1753@vixvax.mgi.com> johnson@vixvax.mgi.com
writes:
>Whats the best approach to removing skunk scent from my dog?  I've tried
>tomato juice which helped, but should I try something else, or do I just
>have to wait it out?

Ever tried to de-odorize a full-grown Newfoundland? Any idea how much tomato
juice it takes? And it really doesn't work too well.
The best treatment I've found its Massengill douche powder (the yellow stuff).
Of course, you need LOTS of it, depending upon the size of the dog, length of
coat, etc, but it DOES WORK! And it's relatively cheap & non-staining. The
only drawback I know of is the questioning glance you may get at the check-out
counter with your 12 boxes of douche powder, Woody.
...........................................................................
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs, Tipp City, OH

--
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: neutering and spaying
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Marget Johnson writes:
> Ovaries and testes are necessary equipment for saving lives?

Of course not.  Calm persons know this.  The assertion is silly on its
face.  Its proponents have yet to produce a shred of evidence.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger   jpk@ingres.com                    Oh we pulled the handle out,
and we pushed the handle in, and the steam went to the pistons just the same
From: kmoser@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kathy_Moser)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: incontinence in l yr old
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:29:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

>> A l year old Lab friend of mine seems to be suffering from incontinence.
>> She has been treated for a few months now with DES (estrogen) but it hasn't
>> seemed to help.  The vet says that spayed bitches will sometimes develop
>> this trouble due to a loss of estrogens.  Has anyone else experienced this?
>> Abby seems so young to have this problem.  Anyone have any suggestions?

My chocolate lab leaks too.  Make sure the dog is checked for a bladder
infection - DES won't help that.  When we first started the DES we had to
give it to her every 3-4 days for several weeks.  We are now up to a week
between doses (after 2-1/2 months).

				Kathy Moser
				Hewlett-Packard, Network Printer Division
				Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Rufus the Dufus (Housetraining an adult dog.)
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.185151.18601@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>The problem is that just once every 6-8 days Rufus backslides on his 
>house training.  The deficates on the carpet in the living room while 
>we're upstairs.  We bring him over to the spot (without calling him 
>to us), point his snoot at the dung, pick it up and poor vinegar on 
>the spot.  We say "no" the whole time.  Then we put him in his crate 
>and ignore him for 1/2 hour.
>
John, I suggest you and your wife go to the library or purchase the
"Art of Raising a Puppy" (I think) by the Monks of New Skete.  Even
though Rufus isn't a puppy, they have very good advice on house
training.  My husband and I have had a much easier time house training
our puppies using their methods than we did before.

The first thing is you can't punish a dog for something you haven't
caught them in the act of doing.  I used to believe this about
puppies, but not about older dogs.  We had a Cocker died when he was
11.  I used to think he remembered the bad things he did becuase he
looked so repentant when I discovered the dastardly deed.  However,
what I think he really keyed on was my body language and tone of
voice.

The other thing is you can't let your dog see you cleaning up after
them.  They think your their maid so to speak and it confuses the pack
relationship.  The alpha dogs don't clean up after other dogs. 

The other thing you have to remember if your dog "backslides" it isn't
his fault.  Usually its the owner's.  Our newest puppy's only
accidents occurred when we weren't watching him closely enough.  This
means their not entitled to free roam of the house if you're not there
to watch.  Our puppy is 3 months old and I use to keep him in the
kitchen (with papers on the floor when I took a shower and got ready
for work).  He just earned the privilege of being in the bedroom/bath
with me because I know he'll let me know he's got to go out if he's
that close to me.  But I keep the bedroom door shut because he might
think he's told me when I'm in the shower, then think well she's not
letting me out, I'll go in the hall, or wherever.  Now, because the
door's shut, he barks when he has to go.  I don't know when Max will
get free reign when we're not home.  But he'll have to earn it.

P.S. I like Rufus the Dufus.  Our dog is named Max and we call him
Attack Max because of they way he "reads" junk mail.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: MY DOGS STINK!
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:06:21 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Apr13.120358.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Apr13.120358.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
writes:
>In article <49322@athertn.Atherton.COM>, caroline@athertn.Atherton.COM
(Caroline Shuttle) writes:
>> I have two lab/Shepard mixes both neutered males.  I give them baths once 
>> a month because they stink so much.  
>>................other stuff deleted..................... 
>DEAR CAROLINE,
>YOU ARE WASHING YOUR DOGS TOO OFTEN. IS THE SHAMPOO YOU USE FOR DOGS OR
HUMANS?
>IF YOU WASH THE DOGS TOO OFTEN THEN YOU COULD DO DAMAGE TO THEIR SKIN AND
>COATS.
>IT IS A FACT OF LIFE THAT DOGS DO SMELL, THEY LIKE TO SMELL AND WILL ROLL
>IN ANY FOUL SMELLING MATERIAL THAT THEY CAN GET NEAR, ESPECIALY DEAD FISH
>AND SHIT. YOUR DOGS PROBIBALY ROLL ABOUT IN THE BACK YARD TO PICK UP THE 
>SMELL OF THE AREA, ...........[other stuff deleted].............. 

Caroline, I hope you recognize the above response as some sort of weird joke.
At least, I assume no one on the net believes that smelly dogs are "a
fact of life". You cannot bathe a dog too often, if he is dirty! Using a mild
shampoo especially formulated for canine skin is important, however. On the
other hand, once a month isn't very often at all for a dog kept outdoors all
the time. Assuming your dogs are groomed often, the yard is picked up daily to
dispose of stools, the dogs aren't rolling in dead fish(!), etc., there may be
a systemic cause of the odor. Certain grocery story or generic brand dry dog
foods can cause an offensive body odor. So can skin diseases and infected
gums, intestinal disorders, etc. If your dogs are clean, well-fed and
well-groomed, I'd ask the vet to check for internal causes.
............................................................................
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City, OH


--
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snakes and Dogs
From: bmann@desire.wright.edu
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:04:54 EST
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr16.152026.23301@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, eam9e@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Myers) writes:
> 
> 
>    Does anyone know what kinds of snakes are prevalent in Colorado,
>    particularly around Boulder?  Has anyone had their dog bitten
>    by a snake? In Colorado?

No direct experience in Colorado, though I expect rattlers are the main
poisonous snake there.  I used to live in West Virginia on a farm with
plentiful copperheads.  Every dog I ever owned there was bitten at least
once, with effects varying from a swollen leg through a nosebleed that
went on for some time to a badly swollen head and neck.

Copperheads, rattlers, and cottonmouths are all pit vipers.  Their
poison, if I recall correctly, generally affects the circulatory
system - thus the swelling and nose bleed.  Copperheads are generally
not too large and I believe their poison is less toxic than some of
the other pit vipers, so they are not considered to be as serious a
bite as others.  Coral snakes are a whole different type - more closely
related to cobras than to the pit vipers - their poison is very deadly
and affects the central nervous system.  They are, however, small and
secretive snakes that are generally nocturnal.
> 
>    What do you do when your dog is bitten by a snake?  Is there
>    a snake kit for dogs? 
>      
The West Virginia vet, very experienced with copperhead bites, said that
nothing needed to be done most of the time.  The dog whose head and neck
swelled, however, needed treatment as his air passages were swelling shut.
We took him to the vet and he got an anti-venom shot which worked a
miraculous cure within an hour.  It was impossible to tell he had ever
been bitten.

Also from the vet I learned that dogs generally have a fairly high tolerance
to pit viper venom.  The dog that needed the anti-venom was a small (15
pounds) beagle mix and he had been bitten directly on the nose.

My dogs also learned to avoid the snakes.  On a walk with one of my
dalmatians (not the world's smartest dog), I spotted a copperhead coiled
in her path just as she got there in full tilt after a bunny.  Before I
could even yell at her, she saw it and simply took a flying leap over 
said snake, startling all three of us and letting the bun-rabbit vanish
over the horizon.
  
 - Barbara Mann, Wright State University, bmann@desire.wright.edu.
From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Two vs. One (Re: lonely dogs)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:44:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr16.174422.15284
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr16.145206.1881@stortek.com> vojak@icemaker.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
>
> Katie our Lab use to meet us at the door, and proceed to cry
>for five minutes when we came home.  She was very lonely.  Our
>solution was to get her a sister, Peanut, who is a springer mix.
>They still get into some trouble at times, but Katies' mental
>health is alot better since she now has someone to keep her company
>all day.  Actually having two dogs is almost easier than having
>just one.  They keep each other entertained, and when we go
>outside, they get more exercise chasing each other, than Katie
>ever got just playing with me.
>
>
I've been thinking about getting a second dog and have some questions
that perhaps the net can help me with.....

We got Max, on March the 14th.  He just turned 3 months old April 8th.
We were offered two pups from the litter, but decided against doing
that.  I have to say I'm glad we did.  Having a little pup around
requires a lot of time and energy and I couldn't imagine spend double
the training time.  

We'd like to get Max some company at some point and wonder at what age
would Max best accept another puppy to the family.  When my husband
and I married he had a 6 year old Cocker and Chester wasn't happy with
another dog in the house.  Whenver my cousin would come with her dog,
he would mope.  He didn't like us to pay any attention to her dog.
(Granted he wasn't well socialized as a pup).  

How old should your first dog be before considering a second?

schalene
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A question about the effects of spaying
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:16:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44657
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr4.185523.24006@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> fergus@xi.UUCP (Jamie Ferguson) writes:
>
>
>I have a 6 month old puppy whom we have been planning on getting
>spayed in the next month.  Does spaying (or neutering) have
>any effect on the size the dog will be as an adult?  We have
>a cat who was fixed at about 6 months and he is smaller than
>his father, who wasn't fixed for several years.  We don't know
>for sure if the neutering has anything to do with it, but I
>don't want our puppy to not reach her full size if we get her
>spayed now instead of when she is full grown.  However, a friend
>of mine says female dogs bleed when they are in heat and that
>could be a problem -- is that true?  (this is obviously my first
>dog...)
>
>Thanks,
>Jamie

Strangly, with dogs, spaying or neutering will sometimes cause them
to grow taller than usual.  I know that I read this in a recent
Gazette or DogWorld.  This is also the same with goats.  Wethers
(neutered males) grow taller than the intact bucks.  So, I don;t
see any potential for spaying to stunt her growth.

Yes, females do bleed, sometimes for the whole three weeks.  
Heats last usually about three weeks, but the most critical time
to make sure she is kept from males is about between 9 and 17 days.
But this depends on the individual dog and you should keep her 
confined the entire time.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF   tri-color collies
From: primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: A tragic accident
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:44:45 GMT
Reply-To: primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

Yesterday, in Union County, Tennessee (East Tennessee, not too far
from Knoxville), a woman was attacked and killed by a chow.  As the 
TV news and newspapers reported the incident, the woman (41 yrs old)
wnet outside to feed the dog which was chained in her yard.  When she
bent down to fill the dogs dish, the dog grabbed her throat, ripping 
into the juggler vein.  She died a short time later at a local hospital
from this injury.  She had also sustained severe eye injuries.  The woman's
neice was in the yard with her at the time of the attack and tried 
unsuccessfully to pull the dog off her.  Fortunately, the neice was not also
hurt.  The woman's husband came outside and finally killed the dog by 
shooting it in the head.

The couple had gotten the two-year-old dog from a man in North Carolina
just the day before.  The man did *not* tell them that the dog had 
previously bitten a man and had once killed a smaller dog.  One report 
stated that the couple bred chows (although *only* one report stated this).
Another report indicated that the husband said his wife loved dogs and
would take in any dog that needed a home.

Locally the media are quoting the director of the local humane society
(no attempt to quote here, however) as saying several things:

	1.  most of the dogs that bite humans are chows or chow mixes
	    (and *not*, as one might be led to believe, pit bulls or 
	    dobermans)

	2.  most fatal attacks by dogs on humans occur when the dog is
	    (or has been) chained

	3.  never take in an adult dog, unless you are sure of its history
	
	4.  at the first sign of aggressiveness (presumably, aggressiveness
	    towards a human), a dog should be taken to an expert for 
	    evaluation

	5.  neutering male dogs can reduce the tendency to be aggressive.


Now, just a couple of personal observations.  First, I think the media is
handling this tragedy in a responsible manner.  Secondly, as owner of a 
*very* docile, laid back, neutered, pound-rescued chow-mix, I am somewhat
un-nerved by this story -- even though we have had Roosevelt for about a year
now and dot him as a puppy. Thirdly, if indeed the couple were chow breeders,
this is an unsettling and frightening story indeed.  

Any comments?
-- David
From: usenet@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Keywords: vicious
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: MIKE CLARK (looking for GSD) -- Are you out there?
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Mike --

Kitty Cummings contacted me.  She lost your email address and
needs to get in touch with you.  I have also lost your email
address.  Please contact either me < riacmt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu >
or Kitty < kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu > as soon as
possible.

Carol Miller-Tutzauer
riacmt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Dog bites dog
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:20:34 GMT

In article <34672@ntrlink.interlink.com> mct@interlink.com (- MD) writes:
>
>Also, what can you do to get a biting dog to let go?  All anyone 
>could do last night was to wait until he felt like letting go.  I've 
>heard about throwing a bucket of water on them, but it all happened 
>so fast and even the "dog people" said that Jack Russell terriers are known 
>to snap and not let go.
>
Monica --

We discussed a similar situation in puppy kindergarten Monday night.
The class is sponsored by the county and is held at a county park
where you can run your dogs off leash.  Our trainer said that if we're
using the park to exercise puppies (we all have dogs under 6 months,
but I would think this would work for any age dog that is attacked)
and an older dog starts to look menacing, spray it with vinegar.
She says we should all carry a spray bottle with us when we're out and
about where dogs could be off leash.  She suggested vinegar because it
doesn't have any lasting effect on the dog other than a mild stinging
sensation.  

Has anyone else tried this?  Does it work?

The other part of her advice wouldn't be applicable to your situation
but it might come in handy for others....she said many older dogs
don't like puppies and may try to "attack" or bite them.  She
said never pick up the puppy.  For some reason the other dog will try
harder to get at it and may end up getting you.  She said to stay
calm, show no fear, and turn your puppy around so that its head is
between your legs and its hind end is exposed to the other dog.  She
said you should show no fear and not maintain eye contact with the
dog.  

Has anyone hear of this before?  Or have any other suggestions?

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell)
Subject: Thanks for help with stolen puppy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:57:22 GMT

Many, many thanks to all of you who responded to the newsgroup and via e-mail 
to my post about the stolen collie.  I am going to follow up - report to the
authorities, etc.  Also will remember in the future about the tattoo!!

Your kind responses confirm my belief that people who love dogs are
good folks!
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:36:27 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <1992Apr6.145535.21962@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell) writes:

>I am new to this newsgroup, so forgive me if I'm posting to the wrong group.

>I bought a new puppy (pedigreed tri-color collie) in February.  She just
>turned 3 months old.  Last week she was stolen from our yard - the lock was
>cut on her pen.  I feared this type of thing happening; therefore the pen and
>lock.  The thiefs did not get our 1-year old dog.

>Any suggestions on finding our puppy?   I've not yet reported it to local
>police, as I doubted they could help.  Any chance that a puppy-stealing ring
>could be in existence - and how do I got about finding them out?

>Any help would be appreciated.  Please reply to newsgroup.

Chances are slim unless you had your puppy tattood.  Was she?

Tattooing, on the inside back leg, is probably the best way to deter
theft...

--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore -- anxiously awaiting lab puppy in mid-June.

Currently working on rec.pets.dogs FAQ.  Now in seven parts, preliminary
versions of four parts have been posted.  Anticipated "official" posting
(crossposted to news.answers and archival at FTp site) in early May.
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Ankle-biting puppy question
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:20:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr9.033325.19511@news.Hawaii.Edu> gmiyamo@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Gail Miyamoto) writes:
>Hi, everyone.
>
>I have a new puppy in my home - a cute and affectionate 1/2 collie
>1/2 golden.  We've bought him a couple of chewing toys, but he
>seems to prefer chewing people instead - ears, hair, toes, ankles,
>hands, wrists - anywhere as long as it's attached to a person.
>

Collies are great herding dogs and will often grab ankles moveing
past them at such a young age.  I found the best thing to do with
such a gung-ho herder is to either gently correct them by grabbing
their muzzle and holding on until they decide that this it no
longer fun (if you have to hold them until they whine a bit to
get lose).  Mauii did this with those over enthusiastic tail grabbers
in her last litter.  Mauii would also clobber them buy pinning they
to the floor with her front paws when it got to rough.  She hold them
their until they stopped grabbing.  I would use just a slight
modification on an alpha roll by just holding the puppy by the
head (with your whole hand over their head) and growl a "NO-BITE"
at them.  If this just doesn't work at all, you might go to putting
your thumb under their tounge and press down with your thumb holding
the bottom jaw.  Hold until the puppy either tries to get your
thumb out of it's mouth or whines a bit.  You don't have to
be mean, just firm.


>My question is:  Is this normal behavior or a sign that he will be
>an aggressive biter when he grows up?   Also, should I scold and try
>to stop him?  He's only six weeks old, and I've heard that you
>shouldn't try to train a pup until five months of age.
>
>Thanks!

>* Gail Miyamoto                 * ". . . he smiled upon the      *
>* gmiyamo@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu *  multitude and said pleasantly *

At six weeks, that is common.  It's not a sign of anything at his
age.  Collies and goldens are both know for their gentle natures.
It's more likely that he is just playing and inviting you to join in.
You don't have to wait until 5 months to train.  I start my training
at 16 -18 weeks with simple things.  Why waste good learning time.

A six week old puppy may exhibit tendencies towards insecurity.
He may also just not know how to play with you.  Let him
get a bit older and more accustomed to you before you start
giving more hasrh corrections.

Just have fun with him now!

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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies