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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Filkhogs & things
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 13 Nov 92  09:20:28

First off, I'd like to congratulate you folks.  Despite the flameworthiness of 
the subject and a few at least borderline inflamatory posts (ok, one clean
OVER the border), there have been no sustained flame exchanges and the
conversation has NOT threatened to degenerate into a brawl.  Since I've seen
similar threads go straight through the roof, I'm impressed with the maturity 
you people are showing.  (Who, us? :->)

This said, while the conversation can go on forever quite legitimately so long 
as it stays at this level, I see a number of people beginning to repeat
themselves.  So it's probably about time to wrap up.  If anyone has something 
to say they still haven't yet said, please do so (provided it isn't of the
"You rotten #$%^" variety anyway :->), and let's shoot for finishing up this
thread over the next week or so.  

Please to note that I am NOT killing the thread off - this is a suggestion NOT 
an order and you may feel free to disregard it.  

             Ye Moderator/Designated Topic Cop, Kay Shapero 

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Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: mba@controls.ccd.harris.com (Belinda Asbell)
Subject: Re: (3/4) Dr. Demento
Originator: mba@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:11:00 GMT


In article <n0e3at@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Bruce.Tomlin@f555.n387.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|>  > area codes with no stations broadcasting the good doctor:
|> 
|> 512 (Austin, TX) is missing, and so is the new 210 area code for San Antonio.
|> 
|>  > KKYS    104.7      TX   Bryan College Station/Austin 10 pm
|> 
|> Verified.

Also:

407 (Orlando, FL thru Cocoa, FL)   has no stations that I know of (if there are
any, please let me know!)


Belinda

-- 
=============================================================================
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mba@ccd.harris.com    +      Any opinions presented are mine alone.
  Good judgment comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgment.
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Songs
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 13 Nov 92  09:08:18

On <Nov 13 08:14>, Mary Creasey (1:102/524) wrote to Kay Shapero:

 MC>"Song At the Ready" is by Suzette Haden Elgin, and is on her 
 MC>_Dragons, Cows & Kudzus_ tape

I knew the author, but not of the tape (I've got it on an old Bayfilk tape).  
Thank goodness - entirely too much good stuff went down in the FilkWars.  This 
is one song that deserves to be  kept in print forever and I'll have to buy a 
copy when I get the chance so I can see what ELSE she's got on that tape...

 MC>The other song is "Filksingers, Filksingers" by Bob Kanefsky; it 
 MC>can be
 MC>found on the _Tapeworm 1_ tape from Firebird.

Aha!  Yeah, it sounds like the Kanefster all right, bless him... :->  

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Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:43:52 -0500 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Wolfrider

Excerpts from mail: 17-Nov-92 Wolfrider's Reflections
"filk.ml-error"@ofa123.f (849)

> As you'll note from Deborah's earlier comment, The Filking Times is up and 
> running again, with Issue 34, dated November 1992.  On the very first page 
> is an announcement a lot of us are going to be glad to see:  The tape of 
> Elfquest filk entitled "A Wolfrider's Reflections", originally issued by 
> Off Centaur and long, alas, out of print is being re-released by WaRP 
> Graphics.  It's been remastered, and will be available on both cassette 
> AND compact disc!  Which latter I'm glad to see as Vicky has been 
> practically wearing out my copy of the tape...

> For the rest of the article and a _lot_ of other interesting information, 
> see the Filking Times. 



Kay, I don't quite know the details of how they got it back in print,
but, IMHO, it
does lead to interesting possibilities of non-filk people obtaining
masters of other
major O/P tapes to put back in print.

I recall that when I was at last..err...this year's space development
conference, there
was one person who was looking for a copy of the _Minus Ten and
Counting_ tape, and
most of the people seemed to have heard of it.  IMHO,  if anyone here is
involved with
a chapter of National Space Society, IMHO, it's well worth looking into
seeing if they
can obtain the masters & other rights to put it back in print and then
proceed to do so.
It's not like people aren't copying all the out of print tapes for
people who want them
anyway; it would, of course, be preferable to see the songwriters and
performers
properly compensated... ;-)

 
           Hate is not a traditional family value: Boycott Colorado! 
 Internet: eg1n@andrew.cmu.edu Filknet: "Hey, you with the 12-string guitar!"
 SnailMail: Eli Goldberg, Box 4352, 5115 Margaret Morrison Rd, Pitt, PA 15213

Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: New Filk 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 21:35:53 +0000


In article <n0e32t@ofa123.fidonet.org>
           Joe.Bethancourt@f72.n114.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>Damn! Someone beat me to it! "Pentatonic College" is the College of Music
>at Miskatonic, in Arkham, of course.......<grin!>

The first British filkcon was Contabile, the second (somewhat contrived)
Con-two-bile (con TOO bee lay), the third Treble, and the fourth
FourPlay.  January's is Pentatonic, and the next one is somewhat
undefined (but nothing to do with sex!).  Number 8 will obviously be
Octave, but then I suspect that they'll drop the numeric connection - it
gets too clumsy.  They may drop it for 6 and 7 as well - it depends on
who chooses...

>.... Are you going to NecronomiCon this year?

I doubt I'm going to any more conventions at all this year - no money...

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*  chriscr@cix.compulink.co.uk  *  FIAWOL (Filking Is A Way Of Life)  *
*  100014.3217@compuserve.com   *                                     *
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From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Singalongs
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 16 Nov 92  10:38:20

S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk writes:

 SG> there's an overlap here with our "the way fen were" strand --

Hmmmm.  Inspiration strikes.

  Filksings,
  Like the trashcans of my mind....

Dang.  I don't know the original very well.  Someone else gotta pick up that
ball and run with it....


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From: figmo@netcom.com (Lynn Gold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Myth Debunking 101
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:22:46 GMT
Organization: The Burn the Candle at Both Ends Club

In article <Af1bkX600iV1I1QFAn@andrew.cmu.edu> Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>[Lynn Gold writes...]
>>Speaking of which...to all of you out there, how much time do you spend
>>practicing?  I'd especially like to hear from some of the "pros" on this.
>
>I _KNOW_ I'm nitpicking, but quoting the ConCertino program book, "At 
>filk conventions, the Listener Guest is somewhat like the Fan Guest
>of Honor at other conventions.  For filk, that would be redundant; there
>are no professional filkers."  I know you're aware of this fact, or you
>wouldn't have quoted "pros", but may I request/suggest that you use the
>expression "big-name fan" or "well-known filker" in lieu of pro?  I'm
>probably more picky about this than I should be since the main person
>I've heard preach about "professional" filkers [The people who work with this
>person] vs. amateur filkers [The people who don't work with this person] 
>is the antithesis of professionalism in my mind, and I don't like
>artificial distinctions (read: BARRIERS) being formed in the community I
>pretty much live in.  No offense intended.

I meant "pros" in the most literal sense -- people who make any kind
of money at it.  I'm wondering whether I'm not practicing enough or if
I just plain don't have what it takes.

--Lynn
From: Kihe.Blackeagle@p4003.f6224.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Jeff Hancock
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 18 Nov 92  12:17:44

 * Forwarded from 'SF' area using EZPoint V2.2
 * Forwarded by Kihe Blackeagle on 1:124/6224.4003
 * Originally to Travis Butler

 TB> Haven't had a chance to respond to any of the suggestions 
 TB> in this thread, but I've seen some... interesting... ones 
 TB> so far. Let's start by everyone posting an intriguing 
 TB> almost-spoiler on _Pride_... <g>

Half-remembered scrap of filk, spins off into this insta-filk (more or less to 
tune last heard used for Kipling's poem with first line "We are the Little
Folk, We", kinda crossed-up with "Tradition"):

        WE drive _The Pride of Chanur_
        WE who are fanged, clawed, and furred
           Cross the wide gulf of space
           Make deals, eat meals, save face
        No, we ARE the Pride of Chanur!

Pax ... Kihe

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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Getting everyone involved
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 14 Nov 92  13:12:55

On <Nov 12 04:13>, Leonard Erickson (1:105/51) wrote to Kay Shapero:

KS> Which, as I said, makes it imperative that the rest of the singers do
KS> NOT let them.  No, it isn't easy.  Surprise...

 LE>Which means you need to recruit a couple of folks like me. Shy, 
 LE>peaceful, and big enough to last a round against an adult Kzin. 
 LE>:-)

Ayup!  :-> 

 LE>I wouldn't hit somebody unless my life depended on hit. On the 
 LE>other hand, if I and a similarly sized friend kind of "loomed" 
 LE>over the filk-hog and said "no." when he was about to start in 
 LE>*again* then perhaps said filkhog would get the message.

Hmmm.... could be....... :->

That and a nice LOUD voice to address the shy guy in the corner "YOU haven't
sung anything yet!  Whatcha got?" 

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From: Mary.Creasey@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: "Break The Law"(3 of 2)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:44:40

Harold, I _loved_ your lyrics to both songs; however, you didn't
tell us WHICH traditional tune goes with "Targets No More". Tell
us, please?


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Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: duncanm@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Duncan A. MacGregor)
Subject: Filking Jam Session in Ottawa
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:57:35 EST

                      Jam Session for Filkers

A "jam session" for filkers and all others interested is planned.

           Place    : Dalhousie Community Centre (755 Somerset St.)
           Date/Time: 17th January (1:30 to 5:30 pm.)

Several people (including the sender) are planning to be there.  It is hoped
that most filkers in Ottawa (and a few from Montreal) will come.  The actual
reserved space is in a kitchen, so it should be possible to bring munchies
(and more importantly, obtain water!).

The Dalhousie Community Centre is located on Somerset west of Bronson.  The
fastest way to reach it is by the #85 bus (which stops at Bronson & Somerset)
and walking a few blocks west (ie. AWAY from the downtown).  Car drivers will
find that parking is rather hard to find in the area.  Another way to reach
it is by the #2 bus, which stops right in front (the first stop after the
stop at Bronson, if you are heading west towards "Bayshore").

For further information, (R)eply to the sender.

                                           Duncan (duncanm@micor.ocunix.on.ca)
                                           [Ottawa, Ontario, Canada]
From: Mary.Creasey@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Songs
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:14:48

"Song At the Ready" is by Suzette Haden Elgin, and is on her _Dragons,
Cows & Kudzus_ tape; I found it in the Wail songs catalog, but any 
filk dealer who carries her Magic Granny line will have it.
The other song is "Filksingers, Filksingers" by Bob Kanefsky; it can be
found on the _Tapeworm 1_ tape from Firebird.


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From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Rush Limbaugh
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 19 Nov 92  15:56:19

In a message of <Nov 13 09:01>, Shadow Spear (1:271/236) writes: 
 >	Well, Since I don't write _songs_ very often, how about a poem?

 >	Rush Limbaugh

 >When Democrats hold office
 >All across "The Fruited Plain",
 >Conservitives turn to Rush Limbaugh,
 >Whom Liberals disdain.

 >He is our "Guiding Light
 >Through Times of Trouble, and Despair",
 >He's always spreading "EIB",
 >(A virus), through the air.

Well, it can be streched just a little to fit "Faith of Our Fathers".
A tune which seems somewhat appropos.

--- Mark Perew  Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org
From: Karl.Lembke@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: answering machine filx
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:47:02

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From: Gerald.Bliss@f281.n120.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: New Filk
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 18 Nov 92  20:43:00

 On 11-15-92 Usenet wrote to All... 
 
 U > Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 
 U > From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu> 
 U > Message-ID: Uf1f1Ve00Uh7M2llNn@andrew.cmu.edu 
 U > Newsgroups: alt.music.filk 
 U > 
 U > 
 U >            Hate is not a traditional family value: Boycott Colorado! 
 
I wish I could agree with you, but I just can't.  Hatred is one of the 
first lessons in most families in America (and almost every other 
country).  Also, I love Colorado (and I know many of her secret places 
of beauty, not the trashcan ski areas) and wish I were back there (and 
gainfully employed there).  But both points are well-taken. 
 
... OFFLINE 1.41 * Sanity is relative... but not one of mine! 

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From: Mary.Creasey@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: answering machine filx
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:58:45

"...McBride"--aka "No Man's Land".


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From: Kettlingurr@f708.n362.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Phone filk
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:59:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992

>>I think I saw this in Dave Aronson's message: 

 SF> Ok,  How many people have filk on their answering machine?

Unfortunately, not I.  I'm a poet, not a filkster!

 DA> it's the usual music for the can-can:

[Filk & rest of message deleted for brevity]

I'm sorry, but that filk does NOT scan for what I know of as music for the
can-can.  I'd whistle it if this were voice........  :<




... If I'm in the Inner Circle, does that mean nobody can hear me sing?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: Gerald.Bliss@f281.n120.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: New from Saint Iggy!
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 18 Nov 92  20:15:00

WARNING:  ARGO ALERT!  PUN ALERT!  HORRIBLE SCANSION ALERT!
 
             Then We Scanned Key Largo Just For Puns...
                          R. I. Benefiche, c. 1992
 
There is a song filk parodists are cursed to struggle with
It has to do with Trek folk messing 'round with kin and kith,
But if porn is what you're looking for, this version's one to skip
For my juices are at port and they won't let 'em on the ship.
 
It's a gland embargo, everyone.
Slans from Argo will not find this song much fun
And if they stay to listen in to four verses or five,
They'll be lucky to have brain cells still alive.
 
Now, that was some fancy hotel that our con was in last year.
The restaurant had a wine list, like they'd never heard of bheer.
The fare was filet mignon buried deep in lobster tails,
And the maitre-d' turned red when I complained about the snails.
 
It was bland escargot, everyone.
I'd have shot the chef then, if I'd only had a gun.
They wouldn't give me a refund, 'cause I'd eaten four or five.
I was lucky to get out of there alive.
 
We drove to that convention through the night and through the day.
Seems like every one we go to is a thousand miles away.
Through wind and rain and bumpy roads and interstates we fought,
Just to find our car'd been stolen from the hotel parking lot.
 
Where'd our fannish car go, everyone?
We didn't bring any money, and this really is no fun.
We may have to hitchhike back, so we don't know when we'll arrive.
We'll be lucky if we get back home alive.
 
The doors were clearly labeled and I turned white as a sheet
When the Guest of Honor lit up in the smoking-free con suite.
No one was taking action; fans are just too damned polite,
But I don't think fans will soon forget what happened there that night.
 
Watch that damned cigar go through the roof,
Along with the guest of honor, who broke bones and a tooth.
I punched him several times, and he broke three ribs, maybe four,
Now he won't be guest of honor anymore.
 
There's just one woman I have loved in my entire life.
I met her at a con and hoped someday she'd be my wife,
But one day she met a woman she said she love more than me,
What would I do but stifle tears and tell her she was free?
 
Now her hand's in Margot's, everyone.
It's nice to see them smile.  Believe me, they have fun.
They know I often get a lonely aching in my crotch,
So sometime when they make love they let me watch.

Reprinted by permission.

--- T.A.G. 2.6c1 Standard
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: calls & cadences
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 16 Nov 92  10:34:34

 KS> And then there are cadence calls of the

 KS> "I don't know but it's been said
 KS> Navy wings are made of lead
 KS>          SOUND OFF"

 KS> or 

 KS> "I don't know but I been told
 KS> Air Force wings are made of gold"

 KS> variety.  Along with a lot I probably shouldn't post 
 KS> on a public newsgroup... :->

 KS> Anybody else know some good ones that they CAN post?

Then there's the ones on the ads for Comedy Central's "Comedy Boot Camp"
contest.  Actually, the only one really USED on the ad is "I don't know but I 
hear tell, knock-knock jokes don't do real well" but I had made up a few more 
that I then promptly forgot.  I'll try to dredge up a few later... but in the 
meantime I'll give other folks a chance.
  
 KS> (Feel free to send me the other type via e-mail... snicker....) 

Any chance you could collect 'em for freq?

--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: dbell@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Bell)
Subject: Fun in circles
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:50:10 GMT



Alright, so St. Eris' day is in a little over two months now, and I have a
lot of bits and pieces on how to control (!) a circle.  But will somebody
send me an explanation of the poker chip method.  Please.  And maybe I
will tell you the tale of why Brits don't Play, Pick, Pun, or Passs

Dave

Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robin J Nakkula)
Subject: Re: "Break The Law"(3 of 2)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:53:37 GMT

In article <102011@bu.edu> hjfeld@acs.bu.edu (harold feld) writes:
>...  Has anyone else ever engaged in this sort of musical
>back-and-forth before?
>


Well, I don't think you've heard of the Christine Lavin Song chain...

Christine Lavin wrote "Good Thing He Can't Read My Mind," and performed it
at her folk concerts before she made it the title song of her next album.
Of course, Tom Smith had the idea for the parody even before the original's
publication, and as soon as it came out, he transcribed the original and
taught it to me so that I could perform it at the weekly Open Mike at Olde
World Restaurant (in East Lansing) to set it up for him to take the stage
in the set after mine to do his parody: "I Wish I couldn't Read Her Mind."

This went on for a while, but as I've mentioned before, Tom was a little
slow in downloading his chords&lyrics sheets to me.  This time he was just
slow enough that I spent some consuite time in the grips of my own parody
writing paroxysm (and appearing antisocial to boot) churning out "It's a
Problem He can Read My Mind."

Mark Bernstein can tell you about the 1-verse-1-chorus throwaway he came up
with, in response.  (He usually did it as his last song before leaving the
filkroom.)  It was about a nosey, home-winemaking, garbage-scavenging
nextdoor neighbor, and was entitled, "I Wish He Wouldn't Mead My Rind."

Several other filkers came up with their own replies.

Christine seemed impressed and flattered when I showed her the parodies
(Tom's and mine) on her next tour through.

@@@---Robin Nakkula
From: Karl.Lembke@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Pagan Yule Carols
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:25:36

I can't seem to get at the files section yet, so I'll risk being redundant and 
ask over the echo....
 
I'm looking for Pagan or Paganized carols for the Yule circle this coming
December.
 
Any input will be appreciated.
 
Thanx in advance.
 
 
 
.............Karl


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From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Christine Lavin parodies
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:30:13 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992

From  ucivax!heifetz.msen.com!dgsi!puck!markb
From: markb@puck (Mark Bernstein)
To:   filk@ofa123.fidonet.org
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:46:27 EST


Robin J Nakkula (rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Well, I don't think you've heard of the Christine Lavin Song chain...
: 
: Mark Bernstein can tell you about the 1-verse-1-chorus throwaway he came up
: with, in response.  (He usually did it as his last song before leaving the
: filkroom.)  It was about a nosey, home-winemaking, garbage-scavenging
: nextdoor neighbor, and was entitled, "I Wish He Wouldn't Mead My Rind."

Actually, I think I have it filed under "Untitled Horrible Pun", or some such,
as I *never* give away the punch line by putting it in the title. 
Last song of the night?  No, some people just *wish* it was. :-)  I only do
it as a followup to the other parodies, as it won't make sense to non-Lavin
fans otherwise.

: Christine seemed impressed and flattered when I showed her the parodies

Christine came to the Ark in Ann Arbor (as she does about twice a year) last
year.  On impulse, I mailed her a copy of the pun c/o the Ark a week or so 
before the concert.  Sharon and I went to the first concert Friday night.
She pulled out the letter (which I later learned had been handed to her about
fifteen minutes before she went on) and sang the verse.  That pun is now the
only thing I've ever written that's been performed professionally. (BIG :-))

Mark Bernstein
markb@cimage.com


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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Bob Kanefsky
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 19 Nov 92  09:42:57

On <Nov 14 07:45>, Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>, wrote to All:
  
>In spite of the piano, I was brought up in a very anti-music household.
>No offense to Kanef, but Dad's singing made Kanef sound like Pavarotti.

 U>He's Not On The Net [or at least the filk echo...]

He was on the mailing list for awhile, but gave up when he got buried under
several hundred messages. When you can only log on once a week or so, and you 
subscribe to something that brings in about 20 messages a DAY....
 
 

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