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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:49:35 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ya boneheads!

Drummer says:
>   Frank Zappa isn't dead. Nice going. He is alive and well.
>   Again, we are being fed wrong informations.

  Drummer, you insensitive Pig!  Zappa was a great musical
figure.  What the H*ll is the matter with you?  Show some
respect for his memory.  Geeze.  I hope you get flamed to
a crisp for this.

                 -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:28:23 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      joke: no omc
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 We interrupt your current ALLMUSIC thread to bring you the following:

  Did you hear about the new operating system, DOS/Perot?  When you
start it up, it says it's thinking about running.  Then it scans the
disk for competing operating systems, and if it finds one, it quits.

 You will now be returned to ALLMUSIC, already in progress.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:53:13 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Warning: contains blatant overgeneralizations.

>
>Merle Haggard: what a great American-- NOT! The Youngbloods used to do a parody
>of "Okie from Muskogee," touting the virtues of tolerant cooperative lifestyles
>and plenty of marijuana, and one of their cuter lines was, "We still take in
>strangers if they're Haggard."
>
 Haggard is one of the greats, and he deserves to be remembered for more
 than one novelty tune that was written, at least in part, as a rather
 mild joke. My old country band used to cover "Okie From Muskogee" AND
 "Hippie From Olema".  Whether Haggard is a great American or not is
 immaterial to the value of his music. A better "answer tune" to "Okie",
 BTW, was Nick Gravenites' "I'll Fix Your Flat Tire, Merle".

>Hank Williams: and they think today's teen idols take too many drugs. That's
>another thing about country, the entrenched hypocrisy of it. Remember Elvis
>getting deputized by Nixon into the DEA, when he was wired to the very gills?
>

 It's no more hypocritical than any other form of entertainment. The DEA
 thing was Nixon's idea anyway. There's a great story about Nixon and
 Elvis. It seems that John Ehrlichman or Bob Haldeman or one of those
 high-level Presidential aides got ahold of Col. Parker's private phone
 number, and summarily requested a White House performance by the Big E.
 Col Parker said, Fine, for $10,000 we'll do it. The aide said, "Colonel
 Parker, nobody gets paid for playing for the President!" Parker said,
 "Well, I don't know about that, son, but I do know this: nobody gets
 Elvis Presley to play for nothing."

>The blues ain't country neither. Blues is a genuine folk art form, limited
>though it may be by the varying literacy rates of its practitioners. Country
>is a business, where urban semi-sophisticates from Nashville dumb down to the
>consumer in the trailer park.

 I think you're letting labels (omigawd! not that word again!) get in the
 way of the music. The "country music" you describe so well- the
 dumb, formula, prepackaged crap that gets all the airplay- is no more
 representative of real country music than MTV is representative of
 real rock & roll. Way less, as a matter of fact.

 I was making the point that country music derives from the same source
 as the blues. Bluegrass and old-time folk music are the antecedent to
 country music.

 You listen to the Original Carter Family, and then to Robert Johnson,
 and then to Hank Williams, and then to Howlin' Wolf, and you realize
 after awhile that they have a lot in common. And then you see that
 trying to separate all this music by putting labels on it is a waste
 of time.

 David
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nothing important -- I just felt like chatting ...
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>So somebody tell me, who's James McMurtry?

He's a folkish-countryish-rockish musician. He's also the son of writer
James McMurtry (Last Picture Show, Texasville, Lonesome Dove). He has
his father's superior storytelling technique. His first album _Too Long
in the Wasteland_ came out around 3 years ago. It was produced by John
Mellencamp and featured the guitar work of David Grissom (who joined
Mellencamp's band for his latest album and tour). If you liked Mellencamp's
_Big Daddy_, you'll love this album. He just recently came out with a new
album which I haven't heard yet.

-Adam
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:46:41 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: rap
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              at Jul 22, 92 10:16 am

>What bothers me is all the violence associated with rap concerts..why?

	Hmmm, I can't really be sure why it bothers you without a
complete psychoanalysis first. Unfortunately, I can't preform one
for you.

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:57:36 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: crazy thought
              27 Jul 1992 12:51:05 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I believe you could pick any town in this country and find dozens(+)
performers/people that are far more talented and deserving than some of
the music(?) that the "major" labels are putting out.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:45:53 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      eggs
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What's everybody doing--WORKING????

I think Eddie Van Halen sucks eggs.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Long live Frank!
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:20:04 GMT

GOOD NEWS:

FROM THE PAGES OF ALT.FAN.FRANK-ZAPPA:
=====================================================================

Article 1816 of alt.fan.frank-zappa:
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet)
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Subject: Frank is Alive
Date: 29 Jul 1992 13:03:21 -0700
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	A quick call to 818-PUMPKIN comfirmed that Frank is not dead.
I wish people would quit posting unconfirmed information and rumours,
even if it is all the way from Belgium.  It's understandable that there
is concern for FZ's well being, but let's not get all his devout fans,
folowers and fanatics into a frenzy.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:59:48 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rap

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:06:10 PDT Mike Masuda said:
>Something to think about:
>
>There were certain songs that may have been precursors to rap music:
>

 Somewhere in the bowels of my tape collection I have a ten-minute
 performance from the glory days of the old Haight-Ashbury, which
 stars the legendary beatnik/proto-madman/avatar/literary-character
 Neal Cassady free-associating over a backing groove by the early
 Grateful Dead. His raps don't rhyme, however...

 As far as violence goes, I don't think rap music breeds violence, it's
 the other way around.

 It would be good, as Jeff says, to see someone take rap music to a new
 level, with good musicians. However, I think one of the defining
 features of rap is its essential democracy: anyone with a boombox and
 some tape can be a rapper. 'Course, some of 'em SOUND like that, too...
 :-)

 ZZAJ, did you get my message, or shall I send it again?

David
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:17:47 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      ALVA
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>Unfortunately my experience with blacks, as a black
>woman, is that you are expected to listen to "black music."  They just aren't
>too tolerant of deviations away from the standard "r & b" or "black
>contemporary"  So you can imagine what they thought of my listening to
>Hendrix much less other "white" music.  This is borne out by the fact,
>documented in an article in the L.A. Times a couple of years ago, that
>you won't find music by blacks on "black contemporary" stations that
>deviates from this norm.  This includes blues, reggae etc.  I don't
>like to generalize but this is just my experience.

Alva, I don't think yer 'generalizing' at ALL!  That polarization comes from
attitudes promoted by parents, black/red/yellow/white/brown... I don't think
there's a SOCIAL cure for this, as I believe close-minded idiots come in ALL
shapes/sizes/colors... best we can hope for, I think, is that efforts like
this NET (& other such devices) will continue to open up the channels of
communication to such a degree that overprotective parents will be fighting
a LOSING battle when they try to 'close' their kids ears (i.e., minds).  &
that is said in full view of the fact that I am a parent, with all the
responsibilities that implies... SURE, there will be things my kid(s) will
hear that I'd rather 'ave kept from them, but if MY commo channels are open
with THEM, they won't hesitate to come & ask my opinion (IF they need it)!
ALSO, it means "I" have to keep up with wot's goin' ON in music, etc., these
daze - WITH (hopefully) an open mind - or I'll totally LOSE touch with 'em!

As to Hendrix, MY favorite tune of his was from WAY back - "If Six Was Nine",
mostly the part about 'If the mountains fall in the sea
                       It ain't me, it ain't me'

MY 'formative' years (rock/zzaj-wise) were spent in Frankfurt, Germany (when
I WAS young - & dumb), with Hendrix, the Beatles, Stones & a bunch of cloes
outta' Britain whose biggest joy (besides th' music, o' course) was smokin'
something out of a toilet paper roll... it WAS a different world, but BOY
did I enjoy it!

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:09:21 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: santana phish
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>	"...with more than 70 minutes of music, it represents somewhat
>of a return to the band's early '70s style of hot Latin fusion. Four
>cuts exceed seven minutes, and the lyrical themes are very positive
>and spiritual."

Sounds good!  I just hope the singer doesn't open his mouth too often...

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:50:00 PDT
From:         Christopher Harry <IZZYFC1@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Rap

     Someone was musing that three of four cars that were playing rap contained
white males. Hardly surprising. According to industry stats, 75% of all rap
albums are purchased by white males. (This was in an article in the LA Times
Calendar section on Sunday- not my own thoughts). Ice Cube, as well as Ice-T,
point out that it is not just young African-American males that understand
the point of rap lyrics. Many young white people (especially college students
like myself) are fed up with the system and rap groups like Public Enemy
help bring that to bear. I myself like rap because of its lyrics (some groups
are blatantly sexist and have no redeeming value- 2 Live Crew being one) as
well as its rhythms. To say that rap is not a viable ssort of music is,
in my opinion, ridiculous.



                          Chris

                       -"My lily-white ass is tickled pink
                         When I listen to music that makes me think"

                                                     -Red Hot Chili Peppers
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:35:00 PDT
From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Dave: Reggae

Hi Dave:

I am very interested in all forms of reggae and have been an avid listener
for about the last nine years since my first trip to Jamaica.  As you may
know, there is a very large contingent of reggae music listeners here in
Southern California (Los Angeles) as well as a rather large Jamaican
community.  I would be very pleased to hear from others who are listeners
as well OR Dave--should I respond to you about my specific interests.
I should also note that in addition to my husband and daughter; my five
year old son is also an avid reggae listener with a particular interest
in Bob Marley.

Alva Moore Stevenson
ecz5ams@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:39:44 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      RAPCHANT
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*o
Y-ZNUTHIN' wrong with chants, couldn't agree more; also (CERTAINLY) nothin'
wrong with the blooz... for that matter, there's nuthin' 'wrong' with RAP,
 & that's with a VERY solid background in the
blooz, black music, WASP church music, MANY sides... but SOME of the rap
I hear today (which, admittedly is not a lot) LR
!eTseems 'mindless' to me in the sense that it (many times) doesn't take
responsibility for what it's preaching... THAT'S why I'm asking... want to
know what OTHER opinions are - I've already expressed mine; perhaps not
eloquently, but "L", it's only a post, right?

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:46:18 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: They're creepy and they're kooky
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              "Michael H. Bloom" at Jul 21, 92 8:46 am

Re: Michael Bloom on Stravinsky (going slack and coming back strong): you also
have to remember there are more than purely "creative" factors at work in this
case--Stravinsky lived in the midst of the Stalinist neoclassical nightmare;
it's amazing he kept his art alive.  (he also was charmed that he stayed
alive period, but I guess his fame protected him)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:50:58 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What do we HEAR? [was: RE: The Lamb...]
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              "Sebastian Welton" at Jul 29, 92 2:44 pm

>> About six years ago I used to work in a motorbike shop in South London and
> one of our regular 'visitors' used to be Peter Green. He used to amble in
> wearing a dirty old duffle coat, straggly long beard and long finger nails.
> He used to pick up a few leaflets and spend a couple of hours walking around
> the shop looking at the bikes until someone politely moved him along. How
> the mighty have fallen.
>
> Seb
>

Here everyone is worrying about the effects of music on the listener...maybe we
should worry more about what it does to the musician?
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:49:19 PDT
From:         Michael <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: crazy thought
              27 Jul 1992 11:36:10 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I think Jellyfish's "Bellybutton" is a good start for a crazy thought.
But that's my opinion.

I also think Mr. Bungle would make a neat national craze, tho I don't
think it would fare well as far as the parental advisory board
on censorship.

"Squeeze me macaroni...slap yer face with my baloney."
                                        --Mr. Bungle

 3
M
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:31:22 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Dylan

I did just see someone say Dylan lost his creativity ?
Is this another rumour. Gee i wish i could find it
You don't think Billy Rae's got it do you
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:52:00 PDT
From:         Christopher Harry <IZZYFC1@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      "Black" music

     I also found that Living Colour attracted very few black listeners
to their concerts- or any airplay on "black contemporary" stations. Even
though these guys are: #1- black artists and #2- have this so-called "black"
attitude (whatever the hell that is, I just read it somewhere).
     I think it all boils down to that division of music.. rock (as stated by
Ice-T) is a white form of music; while blues, reggae, and rap are deemed to
be black forms of music.


                         Chris
                         izzyfc1@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:34:55 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion
              29 Jul 1992 08:16:38 CDT from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:16:38 CDT crispen said:
>Rick <MMLRICK%UBVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> suggested in his latest post
>that we get Van Morrison to sing Achy Breaky, and this started some
>reverberations.
I wasn't serious.

>How many musicians do you know who "got saved" or found one religion or
>another and all of a sudden their music went to hell?  Let me
>offer:
>
>	Van Morrison
>	Leon Russell
>	Bob Dylan

uhhh, lets see.. there's Little Richard, and Al Green, and -- HEY WAIT A
MINUTE!! Van Morrison??? I still think he's great, even post-conversion!
ooooh, that struck a nerve.
Rick
>Bob
>crispen@foxy.boeing.com
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:14:51 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Any listeners of Hendrix or Dolphy?

I believe you will find that there are alot of hendrix fans in this
group including myself. Interesting comment  on the  SRV live elmocbo
video on voodo chile SRV instead of singing I'm a voodoo chile he
says I'm a fool fo Jimi ,yes i am on the last chorus
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:52:16 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHANTS
              22 Jul 1992 10:08:52 KST from
              <DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL>

I think that rap music is in many ways similar to the early "field hollers"
that was the early blues. They may have sang the songs for the same reason
as some of the rappers (frustration...etc) and wtih the same emotions. It's
something to think about.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:44:17 CET
From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What do we HEAR? [was: RE: The Lamb...]

>My husband told me last night that Peter Green at some point disappeared into
>the Children of God street people, but then emerged and is back to playing
>again.

About six years ago I used to work in a motorbike shop in South London and
one of our regular 'visitors' used to be Peter Green. He used to amble in
wearing a dirty old duffle coat, straggly long beard and long finger nails.
He used to pick up a few leaflets and spend a couple of hours walking around
the shop looking at the bikes until someone politely moved him along. How
the mighty have fallen.

Seb
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:03:35 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject: re: Losing My Religion

First Sonia said:
>>True enough, but when it comes to Dylan, he was crazy/in decline before the
>>accident.
>
Then John said:
>Well, Dylan's last album before the accident was _Blonde on Blonde_.
>I'll concede that the album before that, _Highway Sixty-one Revisited_,
>is better than _Blonde on Blonde_, but I would not label _Blonde on
>Blonde_ evidence of a decline.  Now the albums after the accident...
>
Now I say:

I think what caused Dylan's "decline", such as it was, was not the
accident trauma. I think _The Basement Tapes_ is very likely his
greatest album, if _JWH_ isn't. And _Blood on the Tracks_ was pretty
darn good, too.

But perhaps he made a conscious decision to not try and repeat himself,
to avoid putting out _Blonde on Blonde II_ or _Son of Highway 61_.

Of course a lot of the original music he came up with after '67  did not
connect with people the way his stuff did in '65-'66. But the audience
changed, too. He had the world's ear for awhile, and gradually lost it.
Timing is everything. Maybe more for Dylan than for some others.

David
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:07:00 EST
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: other groups
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>does anyone know of other groups that deal with blues or guitar i could
>subscribe to. If there isn't there ought to be.

If you find any, please let me know too!

-Adam
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