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Subject: Re: Was I close??
From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:07:42 GMT

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original-Sender: u912078@daimi.aau.dk (S|ren Erland Vest|)
>
> Hi all,
>
> Last night, I decided to have a go at some relaxation tecnics. I have before
> tried to go oob, without much luck, mainly because I was trying too hard, I
> think.
>
I would agree with trying too hard.  The more I think about it, the less
likely I am to OOBE.
>
> What happened was this: I lie down, and begin to relax. I close my eyes, and
> start taking deep breaths. I focus on my breathing, and begin to feel relaxed.
> After some time, I start to feel this tingling all over my body, as if some-
> body pricked me with tiny needles, except that it doesn't really hurt. After a
> while with this, it starts coming in waves, bigger and bigger. OK, I think,
> this is fun. Suddenly my muscles start acting like I was having cramps, and
> the whole world start turning, like in four(?) dimensions. Then it felt like
> my body sort of exploded, an expansion so instant, that I didn't feel it
> coming. Then I got this floating feeling, like something was trying to lift
> me of the bed, but the instant that I started floating, something bigger came
> around kicking me right back on the bed. I snapped out of it, and couldn't
> move. I think it took around five minutes before I was able to move. Kind of
> scary if you want to hear my opinion.
>
> Was I close to an oobe??? Please enlighten me, I wanna try it again.
>
It sounds like you were too worried about what was happening to just let
it happen.  I've yet to separate my dreams from my OOBEs.   Though I know
that I am OOBEing, my mind still portrays dream images to me.  Meaning
that I OOBE and I'm in the familiar surroundings of wherever I'm at, but
small discrepancies tell me that I'm caught in part dream part OOBE.

That tingling you feel, as I know it, is the energy that flows through
everything--if you follow.  Your astral body is pure energy, or as close to
pure energy as we've come thus far.  You can control that energy just by
thinking it through your body, it's kind of fun actually.  When you're
comfortable with the energy, it will grow stronger and when you OOBE it's
really strong and feels good.  Don't fear it, it's helpful.  I've not
experienced the muscle and exploding things, but that may be worry too,
I'm not certain.
>
> Regs,
> Soeren E.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Soeren Erland, Gertrud Rasks vej 1, DK-8200 Aarhus N |Famous Last Word:
> u912078@daimi.aau.dk                                 |"Trust me"
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Steve

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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: chad@CHEMISTRY.UTAH.EDU (Chad Smith)
Subject: Re: WARNING!!!
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:02:55 GMT

In article <kwi.53@stud.hsn.no> kwi@stud.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK) writes:

>       Be carefull.Vision youresl a shield and NEVER try OOBE if you have 
>abad feeling of it.
>        There are other OOBE's that may try to enter your body, and if they 
>do, your line is cut; you are without a body (if you cant find another OOBE'
>r) exactly:DEEP TROUBBLE.
>       Second: allways be carefull with your line. Several reports etc. 
>mention the silver thread between you and the body. Be carefull never to 
>exend it to far, again there is a bad feeling. Never restrain when the 
>string pulls you back. Its a reason for it.

>       Take care.
I agree totally with the shield, but I have heard that visualizing the silver
cord can be detrimental to your experience.  It is not necessary, since you
can travel back to your physical body instantaneously if you feel threatened.
In my OOBE's, I have never seen the cord.  It probably has something to do
with the method you use to go OOB.  Anyway, just my $.02.

Chad
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: TLR books
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:01:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
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I have been following this group for a while now and I am glad to see TLR books
mentioned. You are right about him being an English man but if you read all of
his books he explains how he is really from Tibet.

As for out of the body experiences I can remember as a very young child
sleeping in my bed and yet watching my mother walking around the house
in the morning before anyone else was awake. This seemed normal to me and
I have always enjoyed this out of body experience.

After reading TLR books I had a better understanding of this and continue
to explore in these areas. I don't think you are going to find any great
secrets or powers for the people from Tibet base their culture around these
things yet were powerless to stop the communist from invading their world.

dano:
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Mass of Soul, Astral Bodies
From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:00:27 GMT

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On 6 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original Sender: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> Suppose, an oobe'er was to attempt to poke his hand thru such a sensitive
> balance.  I was wondering, if the balance would show a momentary reading,
> because of the resistance offered by the physical balance to the astral
> body.  I think this is one experiment that would be interesting to carry
> out.
>
> Kumar

That sounds really interesting.  If anything comes from experiments, let
us know.  It may be something of use in certain incidents.

Steve
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:23:08 EST
From: <MSC118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Sleep Paralysis

   I have often attempted to have an OBE but could never achieve it.
Or at least that is what I had thought.  I read an article within
this group that stated paralysis is a sign. could I please have more
information about this??  Several times (about five or six) I have
awoke totally paralized.  One of the times this occured i distictly
remember trying to get up and swith on my desk lamp, but I could not
reach it.  I simply found my self lying in bed again, unable to move
and terrified.  I tried to reach the light at least four times before
I forced myself to roll out of bed to break the paralysis.
  Every time this has happened I 'know' that someone is beside me or
at the foot of my bed.  Each time this happens it put quite a scare into
me.  So, is this an OBE?  I don't remember anything except the paralysis.
If anyone has ANy information, please let me know.  It has been haunting me
for the past five or so months and now I may have found my answer
Thanks in advace.

                Walk in peace,
                         Mike


P.S.  Could you please place me on the mailing list?
From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (Tim Dedopulos)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: voices
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:17:25 GMT
Organization: The HRC

In article <93011.125124SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar) writes:
>In article <C0oDI1.JLB@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, ijr@canard.uwaterloo.ca
>(Ilana Jayne Shewchun) says: > Has anyone ever experienced a voice speaking
>>to you as you began to relax deeply?  Not a nice voice either (at least the
>>one that 'speaks' to me isn't nice.  Sort of a malevolent murmuring.  I
>
>I would like the experienced folkx to comment a little on this phenomenon,
>because I think, this is something that happens to almost to anyone who
>starts to have oobe, i.e try to have a consious oobe.  I have so far heard
>lotsa voices, even some fool, poking me away at my ribs etc.  Right now, I
>
>I am currently of the opinion that is our sub-consious creation that makes
>it feel that things like this are happening.  Another theory I have heard is

Well, according to Ophiel, in "The Art and Practice of Astral Projection",
Starting to move into OOBE will produce strange sounds. He says that this 
is because the sense of hearing is not carried over onto the higher
planes, and that means that your mind tries to recreate some input, and
just gets subconscious static. He asserts that the noises can take any
form, including voices, malevolant, eerie, or even your mom, and get
worse and worse, more and more disturbing, until eventually they peak
and then just fade to a constant background hiss while you OOBE. 
Apparently, his 'final noise' sounded like his water heater blowing
up. He says, anyway, to ignore the noises, voice or otherwise, as
they are only static/subconscious rambling, and do not represent
any being in any way, not even the self really.

Tim.

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                                  |   "Everything is true, even false things."
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From: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Mass of Soul, Astral Bodies
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:05:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I also remember reading about the experiments done with a motivation to
conclude, wether or not the soul had weight.  The experiment was done on
terminally ill patients.  I *somehoe* feel that the disease was terminal
tubercolosis, not sure, though.  Anyway, the experiment was started, when it
was sorta known that the patient was almost on the blink, so as to speak.
It seems, as if the bed of the patient was placed on a weighing device, and
his/her weight recored in regular intervals of time.  now, the body looses
weight because of perspiration etc.  their instruments were good enough to
detect this also.  they found that before the patient *expires* the loss of
weight is almost a constant, which they attributed to perpiration etc.  and
at about the time of expiration, the loss in weight, seems to show a
significant increase.  The experiment had to be discontinued because of
ethical reasons, i.e patients' relatives et al caused a fuss.

Sorry, but I dont any any refrences whatsoever, I read this atleast some 7-8
years ago.


Another interesting thing is the weight of the astral body.  Munroe, in this
book seems to suggest that indeed, the astral body does have some weight.
Further, physical objects *are* a barrier to the astral body, in the sence,
the astral body has a resistance while passing thru objects.  In my lab,
there are a bunch of weighing thingys, which can measure weights, even to
the million of a gramme.

Suppose, an oobe'er was to attempt to poke his hand thru such a sensitive
balance.  I was wondering, if the balance would show a momentary reading,
because of the resistance offered by the physical balance to the astral
body.  I think this is one experiment that would be interesting to carry
out.

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: TLR (was Re: List of books on oob)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:35:01 GMT

dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon) writes:

>>I am now reading (along with about 20 books) _The Cave of the
>>Ancients_.  Thanks alot for your previous post with titles and
>>synopsis.

>	You're always welcome. BTW, are you Mike?


Yes!  I am Michael Shea using this account temporarily.  

>	Since there is some request here, will try my best. But you will
>have to wait, cause I need to sort out something physically, and THAT
>book is hidden underneath a pile of dust somewhere, if only I know where...

>	If there is some one with the book handy, would you do the net
>a favour and get it posted ahead of me?


Which of TLR's books is the best for oob technique?

>	BTW, I like to find out from people if they knew anything in
>the copyright laws, or publishing, or the net regulations etc., is it
>OK to publish verbatim a large portion of a book? I seemed to remember
>a "not more than 10%" rule near the photocopying machine; I'm getting
>lazy and would like to zap the stuff bit-wise using a handy scanner, if I
>can find it.


Hey!  It's okay by me.  I have seen it done in other newsgroups.  If
you feel uneasy about it, just start each post with a scanned message
of your own!  Thanks in advance!


>The star gazer ***
>CC


Michael Shea (brownt@seq.uncwil.edu)

The Soul in sleep gives proof of Its Divine origin.  -Cicero

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: garyk@garyk.mentorg.com (Gary Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Experience
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 20:46:53 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1993Jan8.205731.1@husky1.stmarys.ca>, gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca (Bill McKinnon) writes:
|> 
|> 	I wake up and get the urge to hone my 'psychic sight' some more; 
|>  {LONG DESCRIPTION DELETED}
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>  Bill Mckinnon             |  Quoted from an interview with Hurling Footmig,
|>  Halifax, Nova Scotia      |  17th acting editor of the Guide:
|>  Canada. (902) 429-6927    |  'Why stop now, just when I'm hating it?'
|>  gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca |   Marvin the Paraniod Andriod.
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Among my reading, I have encounterd a number of sources that claim our soul/body/ego
combination is just a part of a bigger "self".  We have an oversoul that may actually
be involved with multiple lives at the same time, or in differing time frames.
(See Jane Roberts material for one such source.  Robert Monroe also mentions or 
implies a similar thing.) 

Your experience sounded to me like you visited some of your soul relatives.  Although
the skin-peeling thing probably was not actually happening to a real 3D person
somewhere, that might just be a problem with your perception of that person's
reality superimposed on the non-3D realm you were transitioning through on your
OOBE voyage.

Just one idea to consider....
garyk (Gary Kaminski)
From: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Paralysis and Eyes
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:36:33 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Is it true that the muscles that govern the motion of the eye are the last
to get paralysed ? I find it interessting, because, when I enter into the
paralysis state, I can very easily still move my eye lids, and still
maintain the paralysis in the rest of my body.

I think, I did read somewhere, that when the moon bound astronauts came back
to earth, via crash landing into the sea, it seems that they would get the
paralysis efffect, because of the large "g" forces, and the eyes were the
last to loose control, of motion i.e. Can anyone verify my above statement,
or is it just a bunch of bull ? :)

Kumar
From: cudex@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K R Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: TLR speaks
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:54:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk

I also read TLR's books many years ago (60's and 70's) with great enjoyment.
There was also an article published in a national magazine in the UK at
that time where an investigative reporter checked out TLR and found that he
was an englishman with a very ordinary (unmarketable) name living somewhere
very unromantic in England, and (at that time anyway) had never been to Tibet.
( Can't give exact details as it was so long ago.)
Basically, these are very enjoyable books of the same ilk as the black
magic yarns of Dennis Wheatley, written by someone who is himself obviously
very well read.

Sorry if any previous mailing attempts turn up - I'm unfamiliar with the
mailer.

Kev
From: cudex@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K R Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Projection... How to do it?
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:50:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk

I believe this business of supposed reduction in mass at death is covered in a
book called "The Romeo Error" the author of which I am almost certain is Lyle
Watson. However, it does sound as though a lot of energy (in the mundane
sense of the word - like real Megajoules, not psychic stuff) would
have to go somewhere tangible.
The "Romeo Error" bit refers to Romeo mistakenly believing Juliet to be dead
- the book being about very clinically defining the meaning of death and
making a case for survival of the personality.

Kev
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: kwi@stud.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK)
Subject: WARNING!!!
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:30:42 GMT

	Be carefull.Vision youresl a shield and NEVER try OOBE if you have 
abad feeling of it.
	 There are other OOBE's that may try to enter your body, and if they 
do, your line is cut; you are without a body (if you cant find another OOBE'
r) exactly:DEEP TROUBBLE.
	Second: allways be carefull with your line. Several reports etc. 
mention the silver thread between you and the body. Be carefull never to 
exend it to far, again there is a bad feeling. Never restrain when the 
string pulls you back. Its a reason for it.

	Take care.
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: rbalkenh@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov (robert balkenhol)
Subject: Re: WARNING!!!
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:53:21 GMT

KLAUS WILLIAM WIK (kwi@stud.hsn.no) wrote:
: 	Be carefull.Vision youresl a shield and NEVER try OOBE if you have 
: abad feeling of it.
: 	 There are other OOBE's that may try to enter your body, and if they 
: do, your line is cut; you are without a body (if you cant find another OOBE'
: r) exactly:DEEP TROUBBLE.
: 	Second: allways be carefull with your line. Several reports etc. 
: mention the silver thread between you and the body. Be carefull never to 
: exend it to far, again there is a bad feeling. Never restrain when the 
: string pulls you back. Its a reason for it.
: 
: 	Take care.

Klaus,
Do you speak from experience?
I have yet to be able to touch the cord. I never conciously imagine a 
"SHIELD", such as many people suggest, and so far I'm fine.
There do appear to be dangers, but anytime anything has messed with
my physical body, I have transported back into it immediately.
I have learned an unconcious technique for avoiding the "nibbling
critters" that occaissionally (sp?) bother me, but that's it.
If you've had dangerous or violent encounters, please let me know.

Remember: Fear is the Mindkiller.
****************************
Robert Balkenhol
rbalkenh@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov
ispeakforonlyme!


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From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: MY VISIT TO VENUS
Keywords: T. Lobsang Rampa
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:20:53 GMT


_My Visit to Venus_ By T. Lobsang Rampa

During his life, the ever popular T. Lobsang Rampa spoke of
many mystical experiences which had taken place while he was
head of the highest secret spiritual order in Tibet.  Nowhere,
however, in all his writings did he dare mention the most
incredible episode of his lengthy career as a Tibetan Lama.

In fact, only in hushed whispers did he dare tell his closest
disciples about his amazing voyage  from a point inside a
hidden valley - near the interior of our world - to the third
planet from the sun.  In this volume, Rampa describes his
meetings with highly advanced extraterrestrial 
philosophers and scientists, and his feeling that these beings
have been arriving on Earth   for centuries for the general
well being of humankind.

0-938294-61-X  6x9, $5.95
Inner Light Publications

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: garyk@garyk.mentorg.com (Gary Kaminski)
Subject: Re:    Theoretical Discussion: Part One
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:51:43 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <93012.140833K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>, <K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:
|>                                           LINZ, 1993-01-12
|>   I'm interested in OOBE's for about one year and some months. I wasn't
|> very successfull since then, but I never give up and I know I'll get out
|> of my body in the future and I won't get back the next seconds (like in the
|> past). I read some books:
|>          {STUFF DELETED}
|> (4) And again Robert Allen Monroe: "Far Journeys" (1985)
|>     A book, that takes you in worlds which cannot described with words
|>     beyond space and time.
|>     Now he is writing his next book "Ultimative Journey".
|>          {STUFF DELETED}
|> 
The lady at a bookstore I frequent told me that Monroe died last year.  I
wonder how far he got on the book you mentioned.
garyk (Gary Kaminski)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Hello All!!
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:24:27 GMT


	Hi folks, I don't know if there's anyone here that would remember me,
but I'm back anyway.  I haven't posted  since last September but I plan
on correcting that.  Anyway, I've had several OBEs myself (although until
Jan 1 I hadn't had any since last August, life's just been too hecktic to
relax I guess.  I have been playing around with something that could
be described as 'psychic sight', however, and I've recently found ( or
refound if anyone else has found the same thing out ) a different way of
accomplishing OBE (as well as psychic sight ). Once I get the experience out
of point form and into something legible I'll post it here.  As well, I'll
write up my technique.  Hopefully, I'll have something for tomorrow.  Once
again, Hello All!



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 Halifax, Nova Scotia      |  17th acting editor of the Guide:
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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Paralysis and Eyes
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:32:33 GMT

In <93010.173633SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> Senthil Ramas Kumar
	<SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Is it true that the muscles that govern the motion of the eye are the last
> to get paralysed? I find it interessting, because, when I enter into the
> paralysis state, I can very easily still move my eye lids, and still
> maintain the paralysis in the rest of my body.

Stephen LaBerge, who wrote the books on lucid dreaming, says that he and
other lucid dreamers are able to move their eyes under voluntary control
to signal the onset of a lucid dream, for the benefit of people in their
sleep laboratory conducting research.  There's some discussion of the
subject in his book _Lucid Dreaming_.  I think that REM (rapid eye-move-
ment) sleep is also an indication of the same set of physiological and
neurological facts.  The body as a whole is paralysed, except for the
normal "tossing and turning" kinds of movements, but the eyes are not.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject could take things
further.

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst