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From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: REMZI CiRiT NERDESINIZ BEYEFENDI? ALLAH SAKLANANLARI SEVMEZ.
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:11:27 GMT


Remzi Cirit bey! Nerdesiniz? Bizi varliginizla bir sureden beri
sereflendirmiyorsunuz. Hayrola basiniza saksi falan mi dustu? Yoksa
``Valla ortmenim, dun gece misafir geldi de onun icin calisamadim''
muhabbetiyle bahane mi soyleyeceksiniz? Kacma! Gel konusalim,
Kuran carpsin bir sey yapmayacagim.

Ben senden sadece bir tane cumle soylemeni istiyorum. Senin yaptigin 
gibi esek yukuyle soru sormuyorum. Zaten bu soru da degil. Sadece su 
asagidaki cumleyi, aynen kendi elinle yaziya gecirmeni rica ediyorum. 

   MUHAMMED AYSE ILE GERDEGE GIRDIGINDE, AYSE 9 YASINDAYMIS.
   BUHARI VE MUSLIM BU GERCEGI KITAPLARINDA YAZMISLAR. BUHARI 
   ISLAM DUNYASINDA EN SAGLAM KABUL EDILEN HADIS KITABININ 
   YAZARIDIR. 

Bu cumleler benim icin yeterli. Eger bunu yazmazsan bak herkes cok darilacak.
Bilerek yalan soyledigini dusunenler bile olabilir. Belki bu cumleyi
yazarsan, neden bu yalana ortak oldugunu da soylersin?

saygilarimla
------------
kaya
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Golden age of Islam vs Islamists utopianism (was Women in Islam)
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:11:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.025931.18906@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:
|> 
|> You might know so much about Islam, I don't know but you seem very prejudiced
|> about it.  Islamists call for one thing and only one thing: leave your 
|> western paternalism on our lands.  We can manage our own affairs.  The golden
|> age of Islam was not during the time of the Abbasides and the Ummayades or even
|> the Turks, it was during the time of those desert mobs, who with their handful
|> of weapons brought two great empires to their knees. It is about self-deter-
|> mination.  I do not want to be an apologetic person, but there are so many
|> people who have tones of prejudices and are not ready to give them up.
|> 
|> Lotfi
|> 

You people have no idea how those two empires came down, I will tell you.
The Byzantine empire at the time of Muhammad was collapsing under its own
weight. The people of greater Syria, Egypt and north Africa were struggling
with the Byzantine forces to gain their independance at the time when the
Islamic forces appeared at their door steps. If it wasn't for their effort
those desert mobs would have been chased into the Arabian sea.

In return your prophet had promised those people that they will not be forced
to convert to Islam. Infact at the time of Muhammad and the Ummayads only the
Nomads had converted to Islam. Mass conversion to Islam took place at the end
of the Ummayad dynasty.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tekman@ecn.purdue.edu (Erkan Tekman)
Subject: Re: Golden age of Islam vs Islamists utopianism
Followup-To: soc.religion.islam, talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:50:24 GMT

why do you keep on posting this to soc.culture.turkish? there are some billion
plus muslims on the earth and they are from some 50+ countries, here are some
with newsgroups in soc.culture.*

soc.culture.afghanistan
soc.culture.arabic     
soc.culture.bangladesh 
soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
soc.culture.british       
soc.culture.bulgaria      
soc.culture.china         
soc.culture.indian        
soc.culture.iranian       
soc.culture.lebanon       
soc.culture.pakistan      
soc.culture.turkish       

why you are posting only to arabic and turkish? and why you are keeping the rest
out of this thread? although you are posting to soc.culture.turkish i could not
find anything related to turkey or turks or such in your message. islam may be
considered as a facade of turkish culture, but what you are writing here cannot
be qualified (in my opinion) as a suitable article in this respect. please find a
more appropriate newsgroup to discuss these issues, might be one of the groups in
the followup line. i have better things to do than editing my KILL file each time
i read the news.

regards

erkan
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From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Re: Guzel Turkcemiz...(!)
Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:14:08 GMT

In article <4510@winnie.fit.edu>, tepedeln@zach.fit.edu ( N. Tepedelenlioglu)
writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.040445.65415@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dd09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
(DOST CAN DENIZ) writes:
> >
> >Birazcik ta Turkce nasil kullanilir, yazim kurallari, noktalama isaretleri
> >nelerdir, o konuda dusunup tasinsaniz... Ne dediginiz zaten anlasilmiyor,
bir
> >de Turkce'yi katlediyorsunuz (Turk Dil Kurumu polemigine girmeyin, rica
> >ederim), iyice arap sacina donuyor is! Insanin "siz ortaokul'da Turkce
> >dersinden nasil gecip te buralara geldiniz" diyesi geliyor.
> >
> Can Deniz'in endisesine ya da isyanina yurekten katiliyorum. Yazarken
dikkatli
> olmali. Gerekince, supheye dusunce bir kaynaga basvurmali. Calakalem 
> yazmamali. Bu "kendine gore yazma" hastaligi icimize o kadar
> islemis ki Can Deniz de ayni tuzaga dusuyor. Ornegin, "Arap" sozcugunu
> "arap" diye yaziyor. "ortaokul'da" "ortaokulda" olacak. "gecip te"
> "gecip de" diye yazilacak. 
> 
> Burada amacim kimseyi kucuk dusurmek degil. Yalnizca suna isaret etmek:
> Dogru yazmak icin insanin icinde "Acaba bu dogru mu?" diye bir kusku
> gelistirmesi gerek. Bu kuskuyu gidermek icin de yaninda kaynak
> bulundurmasi gerek. Gidin bolumunuzdeki sekreterin yanina goreceksiniz ki
> masanin bir yaninda, mutlaka, iyi bir sozluk, iyi bir yazim kilavuzu, iyi
> bir thesaurus var. Kacimizin odasinda iyi bir Turkce sozluk, iyi bir
> yazim kilavuzu, iyi bir kavramlar dizini var?
> 
> Bu yaziyi daha fazla uzatmak istemiyorum. Can Deniz'e konuya parmak
> bastigi icin tesekkur ederim.
> 
> Nazif
> 
> 
> -- 
> Nazif Tepedelenlioglu                   email: tepedeln@zach.fit.edu
> Dept. EE/CP                             phone: 407-768-8000 ext 7434
> Florida Institute of Technology,          fax: 407-984-8461
> Melbourne, FL 32901-6988, USA      home phone: 407-676-2168


'arap saci' ifadesindeki arap kelimesi buyuk harfle yazilmaz. Burada ozel isim
olarak kullanilmiyor, tipki rus salatasi, amerikan bezi orneklerinde oldugu
gibi. 

'gecip te' : "Sert unsuzlerin benzesmesi" kurali...
'ortaokul'da': OK, Dost'u mahkemeye verebiliriz!

Bence ifadelerin duzgun, dahasi terbiyeli olmasi onemli, yazim usunde bu kadar
durmamak lazim. Zaten qwerty klavye ile Turkce'yi dogru olarak yazmak ne kadar
mumkun ki?

Saygilarimla,

--
Onur Yalcin 
oyalcin@iastate.edu

"Serefe"
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a year old."
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:14:30 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <724700682@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>Do you think argik knows esperanto?  :-)

Does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, 
Armenian government ordered, incited, assisted and participated 
in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race,
religion and national origin? 

"One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the 
 ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about
 it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children.
 The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed
 sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and
 other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the
 dead."

"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of
 a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make
 my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy
 that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of
 a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a
 Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her
 throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a
 year old."


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **)
Subject: THE FANS OF MUHAMMAD AND THEIR WISH!
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Reply-To: mario@meng.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:37:27 GMT


With an intellectual level fixated between Primary School and High School,
the members of the Mr.Muhhamad Fan Club wish to have, in Turkiye,an islamic 
regime similar to the one in Iran.This is only a stupid and sick wishing 
which can and will never happen.Their frame of mind is reflected in the story 
below:
 
A Kid was  walking to the bathroom, when he saw through the slightly open door,
his mother was in there.  She was buck naked and looking into the mirror while
rubbing her breasts and moaning "I want a man. I NEED a man!".  The next day,
the same thing happens: the kid is about to enter the bathroom and sees his
mother rubbing her naked body in front of the mirror "I want a man. I NEED a
man"  But the next day, when the kid is on the way to the bathroom, his passes
his mother's bedroom, where some guy is humping her while she screams "I got a
man, OH  GOD, I got a man!!".  The kid immediately runs to the bathroom,
stripping off his clothes on the way, then stands in front of the mirror
rubbing his body saying "I want a bicycle.  I NEED a bicycle!"....
 
Keep wishing..

Maestro Can


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish minority
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:30:03 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <8376@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:

> > Maybe you should develop a "dandy" bomb as your next secret 
> > weapon. ...

>This kind of vitriolic outburst do not help the cause you purport to help.
>But I think you indeed do not want to help the (unmentionable) cause.

Take a look; in your own. You'll get the picture.

 <<This intolerance and persecution was even worse in the East Roman
   Empire, founded in AD 330, when Emperor Constantine dedicated the old
   town of Byzantum as the site for his new capital and gave it his name,
   Constantinople. Imperial edicts starting with those of Emperor Arcadius
   in 395 and continuing until the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople
   in 1453, subjected Byzantine Jewry to over a millenium of oppression
   and persecution. Thousands of Jews who had flooded into Asia Minor
   following their exile from the Holy Land and their descendants were
   forcibly converted, murdered, or driven out as a result of sporadic
   purges.>>

  <<Jews were similarly persecuted on a large scale in Serbia and the
   other Balkan states in the two centuries before they were conquered
   by the Turks. In Crete, the Jews comprised a middle class between
   the mass of Greeks and the feudal nobles, acting as bankers, artisans,
   lawyers and physicians, with the right to maintain their own community
   organization. They were treated as serfs, however, forced to live in a
   ghetto (Ciudecca), and to affix a special Jewish badge to the fronts of
   their houses as well as on their clothing. After the island came under
   Venetian rule in 1204, local Greeks continued to harass,  persecute,
   and attack their Jewish neighbors, particularly because of Jewish
   support for the periodic Muslim efforts to conquer the island. (...)
   During the Venetian war with the Ottomans in 1538, the Jews were
   subjected to extortions to finance the military operations, and a rumor
   that the jews of Crete were helping the Ottomans led local Greeks
   to massacre all the Jews they could find. Giacomo Foscari (1574-77)
   introduced harsh anti-Jewish laws intended to force them to convert or
   to live in isolated parts of the island.>>

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: Telat Yanik <tyanik@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: DUYURULUR
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:14:40 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]





Sayin SCT Uyeleri,
GS vs ROMA macinin sonucunu ogrenmek icin SCT'ye baktigimda milletimizin
kutsal degerlerine ters dusen bazi yazilari ilk defa gordum ve dayanamadim
cevapladim.Fakat almis oldugum sayisiz ozel mektuplar uzerine ve buradaki bazi
arkadaslarimizin da aciktan ikazi uzerine bu adamlara cevap yazmaktan
vazgeciyorum. Maalesef SCT 'deki bazi arkadaslarin bu gibi seylere alismis
olduklari ve dinlerine dahi kufredilse ses cikartmadiklari asikar.
Ozur dilemiyorum cunku KUFRE ANCAK KUFURLE  CEVAP VERILIR kanaatindeyim.
Bu arada $u durmadan hayat bilgisinden bahsedenin plagini birisi takildigi
yerden kurtarirsa sevinirim.Cunku hep ayni seyleri tekrarliyor.
Sayin SCT'nin mumtaz uyelerinin daha fazla rahatsiz olmamalarini saglamak
amaciyla,
Bu adamlari bilgisayarimin cop failine aliyorum.Boylece bir daha
cevap yazmak zorunda kalmayacagim.
(SCT'de tartismak zorunda kaldigim kisiler haric)
Herkese saygilarimi sunarim.
Telat YANIK
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "YALAN" duzmecisi vs "GERCEKLIK" avcilari
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

|
|3... Akli gozune inmis, ruh dunyalarindan haberi olmayan, akil
|fenerleri ile yildizlari anlayabileceklerini sananlar, gunesi
|uflemekle sondurebileceklerini sananlar, yalan duzmecelerle gercekleri

Akletmeyi duyu organlarina indirgemis, ancak gormek suretiyle 
inanacaklari hastaligina kapilmis fakat gunluk hayatta gormedikleri
bircok gercege inananlar degil, Allah'in varligina inanmayi yildizlari 
bile anlayamazlar. Bilim adamlari dahi gokyuzundeki yildizlari
incelerken teleskopla gorme olayi yanina , degisik hakikatlari,
onceki buluslari, matematik, fizik gibi diger bilimleri koyarak
'reasoning' olayini kullanarak Allah'in koydugu kanunlar olan
hakikatlari bulmaya calisiyorlar. Eger kainattaki butun degismez duzeni
intizami dusunerek bunun kendi kendine olamayacagi gercegini
bulamiyorlarsa, yani AKLEDEMIYORLARSA siz ne kadar laf soyleseniz
anlamazlar, ogrendikleri de kendilerine fayda saglamaz.

Selam ve Muhabbetlerimle
Beytullah
From: ne10@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Subject: test
Reply-To: ne10@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:31:21 GMT

test
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hilmi Eren'in sorusuna cevap
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:19:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Mr. Kaya, 

Mevcut hakikatlari varsayimlarini kari$tirarak carpitacagini
zannediyormusun?

$oyle biraz 'reasoning', mantik yurutme gibi konular ustune bir$eyler
okusan cok iyi olur. Hilmi beye verdigin kisa bir cevaptaki olaylardan 
basit bir forward chaining olayi ile ne derece sacmaladigini ve tutarsiz
oldugunu gozlemleyebilirsen bravo derim sana.

Maalesef ufacik bir yazida bile gosterdigin tutarsizligi anlayamayan
bazi insanlar seni pohpohluyorlar, fakat akleden insanlar icin elbet
senin gibi insanlar birer huccet oluyor ve iman etmenin kiymetini daha
da iyi anliyorlar.

Beytullah
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 18:29:41 CST
From: <U54753@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: A R G I C : please help me shut it up!
 <visser.724449830@convex.convex.com>

In article <visser.724449830@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance
Visser) says:
>
>In <1992Dec15.034346.71021@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER
>VOROBIEFF) writes:
>
>>Hi there!
>
>+>The subject of the message is in my killfile for a long time, but
>+>some netters, especially college students, do not have the privileges
>+>to create kill scripts, and are forced to read the insane postings
>+>of  that infamous wimp-controlled artificial stupidity system.
>+>I will never dare claim that Mudlu (or whatever that bull***t
>+>mailing robot is called) is part of the Turkish culture - it
>+>is not a part of ANY culture, but I still hope you will forgive
>+>me for this inappropriate posting, because my friends are really
>+>sick of the crap ARGIQ spreads through several netmail areas.
>
>+>What I want to know if anybody knows whether the foul address
>+>s_e_r_a_@_z_u_m_a_ corresponds to anything in physical reality,
>+>so that it would be possible for somebody to visit the place and
>+>low-level format the hard drive of whatever computer monstrosity
>+>dwells there.
>
>        Nobody is sure if there is a "zuma" or not.  The way these
>things are being posted "in theory" is:
>


You dont have to worry about "zuma"  ......... you are a shit

head, why dont you face the facts, or response with good logic

or statistics(sp)......

thanx

Ayaz.
>zuma.uucp->[the unmentionable machine].uucp->uunet->world
>
>        From various sources, the story is that the "unmentionable machine"
>has a news-only gateway to zuma.uucp.
>
>        Of course there is no way to know what the unmentionable machine is
>really communicating with or calling "zuma".  There is the potential that
>zuma is not the real name of the site or that there is no zuma at all.
>But its impossible to know (beyond what the master of the unmentionable
>says) anything concrete without physical access to the unmentionable
>system.
>        The only people you can compain to potentially is uunet (if the
>argic-material still originates at a uucp site off there).  UUNET is
>not going to do anything though, probably on "free speach" grounds.
>
>
>
>
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 20 Dec 1992 16:48:33 TUR
From: Yener YIGIT <YENER@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkiye' den Futbol

Bu kadar hararetli tartismalar arasinda kac kisiyi ilgilendiriyor
bilmiyorum ama bu haftanin birinci lig sonuclari soyle:

Bakirkoy        -  Bursa  ......... 2 - 1
Galatasaray     -  Ankaragucu ..... 3 - 0
Gaziantep       -  Trabzon ........ 1 - 2
Genclerbirligi  -  Besiktas ....... 0 - 0
Karsiyaka       -  Kocaeli ........ 0 - 4
Kayseri         -  Fenerbahce ..... 0 - 3
Konya           -  Altay .......... 2 - 2
Sariyer         -  Aydin .......... 4 - 1

Yarinda puan durumunu yazacagim.
Ne dersiniz? Ilgilenen var mi acaba?

Yener Yigit
From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Meclis'te cigkofte-lahmacun partisi
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:35:48 GMT
Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se(Hilmi Eren)
Organization: Stockholm University



|>In article <1992Dec18.234936.21707@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
|>>In article <1992Dec18.204521.31614@eecs.nwu.edu> toroslu@eecs.nwu.edu (Ismail H. Toroslu) writes:
|>>>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>>>
|>>>"biyik"lilarin geriligin bir gostergesi oldugunu mu dusunuyorsunuz?
|>>>
|>>>Hakki
|>>
|>>Ya siz burnun altinda  bir takim killar uzatmanin cok cekici mi oldugunu
|>>dusunuyorsunuz?  
|>>
|>>Esen kalin,
|>>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
|>

Vallahi duzgun uzatilmis killar olursa
cok cekici oldugunu dusunuyorum, fakat su  
an koselikten sakal,biyik killari pek cikmadigi icin 
mecbur hergun tras oluyorum....hic de hosuma gitmiyor...
bazi feministlerin her seye nane olmasi da hic  hos degil....


Hosca(sakal) Deniz Hanim....


Hilmi Eren
Stockholm University
Sweden
Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
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From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: iSLAM VE DEMOKRASi
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:52:56 GMT


ISLAMCI YAZARLARDAN SECMELER DiZiSi -1-
---------------------------------------

   Ercumend Ozkan, Cumhuriyet, 08/08/91 :

   ``Hedefimiz Turkiye'den baslayarak insanlarimiza Islami anlatmak;
     ana kavramlarini aciklayarak benimsemelerini ve katilimlarini
     saglamak; nefisindekileri, Islamdakilerle degistirmeleri sonucuna
     ulasacak kitlesel mutabakatla laik demokratik rejimi lagvedip Islam
     devletini kurmaktir. Bu cagri sadece Muslumanlara degil, butun insanlara
     yapilacak ve ulastirilacaktir....''

   ``Demokrasi insanlarin isteklerine, arzularina uymaya yonlendirilen
     bir siyasi rejimdir. ...''

   ``Kuran ise, basindan sonuna kadar insanlari hevalarina (isteklerine
     arzularina) uymalarindan uzaklastirip Allah'a teslim olmaya cagiran bir
     kitaptir. Bunun icin demokrasinin Kuran'la tam bir celiski arzettigine
     inaniyoruz. ....''

   ``Insan haklari, insanlarin dunyaya gelirken beraberinde getirdigi
     hurriyetlerin toplaminin kullanilmasidir. Biz bunu esastan
     reddediyoruz. Zira biz insanlara nelerin halkimiz, nelerin gorevimiz
     oldugunu yaraticimiz Allah'in bildirdigine inaniyor ve insanlari
     buna teslim olmaya cagiriyoruz. Nefislerimize uyarak tesbit edecegimiz
     seylere itibar etmemiz, kendimizle musluman olarak celiskiye
     dusmektedir.''

 Bir Islamcinin agzindan, Islami hareketteki temel amacin demokrasinin ve
 laikligin yikilarak bir Islam devletinin kurulmasi oldugunu anliyoruz.
 Kisisel iradeden ote, Kuran'da belirtildigi sekilde Allah'in iradesinin
 toplumu yonetmesi.

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