From: jad@ckuxb.att.com (John A Dinardo)
Subject: Part II, Federal Gov't Mind-Control Programs Subvert U.S. Education
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: federal government mind-control programs subvert U.S. education
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:35:34 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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GARY NULL:
In other words, we want everyone to be in line so that whoever may
be in control economically and politically ..... whatever they
would suggest, whatever policies, programs, platforms or laws they
would pass -- there would be no opposition to it because the
educational system would have KEPT people on "THE RIGHT" side of
the issue, which is THEIR side.

BEVERLY ECKMAN:
That's correct. And another thing that they want to do is to choose
the "RIGHT PEOPLE" to be in positions of authority. You don't want
these kids coming out of school and having the "WRONG" attitudes,
but then, to make matters worse, to go into the "WRONG" fields
where they have a lot of influence. 
                               
It's sort of like how we choose our potential Olympic champions.
We look for them among the young. And this is, more or less, what
these people are doing too. They're scouting, in many ways,
through these tests. And those are the ones who are going to get
into the best colleges and universities. 

They DO track this information on up to your college years and
beyond. Now they can do it even beyond. They haven't, so far, but
they can, as of the past couple of years. 

GARY NULL:
Alright.  Let's look at some specifics. We can accept, then, that
there is a hidden agenda at the national level where they're
controlling curriculum, which, by law, they're not allowed to
control.

BEVERLY ECKMAN:
That's correct.

GARY NULL:
We also know that there are a lot of political implications for
these dossiers that they're keeping on children and their families,
so they can hand-pick the ones who are of the "RIGHT" belief and
exclude those who are of the "WRONG" belief.
So, theoretically, if you were a Jewish Orthodox person, immediately
you're going to be of the "WRONG" belief. 

BEVERLY ECKMAN:
That's right. In fact, they want to wipe out religion, it seems,
as much as possible. They don't care what religion it is. All
religion is fair game because that, apparently, does not go along
with their agenda at all. But when you say "a political agenda",
we're really saying that a political weapon is being created. 
No one knows who is going to be sitting at the helm of world
affairs in another twenty years. We can't look into the crystal
ball and predict that with real accuracy. And these people want to
BE sitting at the head of world affairs in the next twenty years.
This is what they have in mind. They want to be controlling world
affairs, even if they are not physically sitting in that seat.
They want to be able to control that seat.

So this is one thing that I've found that political liberals and
political conservatives, and various religious groups, and what-not
can all agree on. They all hate the idea of this dossier-building.
While some people may think: "Well gee, if a kid's attitude is bad,
change it."  This sounds reasonable. And the political liberals,
for example, can go along with this. Even some religious groups
can go along with that part of it. But when you start getting into
the dossier-building capability, then all of a sudden the eyebrows
start going up.

GARY NULL:
But let's back-track for a moment, Bev.  Let's say that you are a 
conservative or you are liberal, and let's say for our argument's
sake ..... because about seventy-five percent of this audience is
either Catholic or Jewish, and we have a high Orthodox listenership
to this particular show. And this is the most listened-to [radio]
show in America right now. So it's a good sampling [of people] for 
what we're going to deal with right now.  THESE people -- let's say
these people in this audience; these two particular religious groups
and both conservatives and liberals ..... Now I'm sure that most
people would agree that if someone has an attitude that is
dysfunctional to their values and beliefs which is anti-human --
meaning it denies the quality and virtue of life or spirit or body
-- that they want to take some remedial action. That's why they 
listen to this show. If someone is destroying their body with sugar
or with smoking or with alcohol or with over-eating, they want to
correct it. But that's a big difference from someone who is told:
   We have an agenda that will take a "WRONG" belief system and
   correct it.
Now suddenly, you're getting into the area of: What are you going
to correct about our beliefs?


BEVERLY ECKMAN:
Well you're also getting into one other thing too. And that is
"informed consent." The person who wants to change the bad habit
-- the smoking or whatever it happens to be -- he/she is doing
this with full knowledge and understanding. I mean, if he wants to
do this by hypnosis, that's his business. If she knows what she is
going into ..... or in the case of a parent doing it for the child,
parents typically have control over their children. Some parents
do what is wrong. That's true. But we cannot punish all parents
for what a few might do. And so you get into this "informed
consent problem," as well.

GARY NULL:
Alright.  Well let's go specifically to this one question:
How are attitudes corrected? In other words, how do they change
the so-called "WRONG" belief, and what do they change it into?

BEVERLY ECKMAN:
Well, the way in which it is done is by what is called "strands".
And those are .... I guess the best way to put it is mini-courses,
mini-classes which are inter-disciplinary in nature. They are
spread out through the subject areas; all subject areas: English,
history, whatever. And they're brought in at opportune moments.
They consist of films sometimes. Sometimes it's just a social type
of exercise, like a lifeboat exercise which I'm sure a lot of you
have heard about. Various things like that. And they're brought in
through what is called the "intermediate unit". At least that's
what it's called in Pennsylvania. Some places call it the
"educational special unit" or something like that. Other states
call it by different names, but it all amounts to the same thing.

The "intermediate unit" is a van, and it carries these materials
from one school district to another, and even to private schools
that accept federal funds.
                       (to be continued)
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