From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Summary Fri 8/28/92
Keywords: Unofficial Summary Rush Limbaugh
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Distribution: world,usa,na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:06:12 GMT

slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>>Rush has decided to read the Murphy Brown script, at least the
>>most important part. Murphy and Frank are watching the news, and
>>Vice President Quayle is shown making his famous comments about
>>the Murphy Brown show. Brown wonders how she could be glamorizing
>>single motherhood - "look at me, Frank," she says, "am I
>>glamorous?" Frank answers "of course not, you look disgusting."
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Brown replies "you're damn right, people in prison get to shower
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>more than I do, and what was that crack about `just another
>>life-style choice'?"

>This is an excellent example of the liberal "value system".

    Oh, lighten up. The thing it's an excellent example of is a liberal 
with a dark sense of humor. The matron of honor at my upcoming wedding 
thinks she may be pregnant, and she was over at our house about a week 
ago describing how she gets up in the morning and throws up. I told her 
she ought to be making right-to-life commercials.

>Notice that a pregnant woman is told "you look disgusting" and replies
>"you're damn right" then going on to make a comparison between 
>prison and pregnancy.  Why is it that women can be safely derided 
>for the correct biological functioning of their reproductive system?

    Well, while I've never been pregnant myself, my understanding from 
most of the women that I've talked with who have been is that pregnancy 
doesn't always feel like "the most wonderful thing in the universe" even 
though it might be. The reason that Murph agreed so quickly might have 
been that she feels like hell - bloated, nauseous, unattractive. Maybe on
"Little House on the Prairie" the pregnant women never feel under the 
weather, but apparently that's not the case on Murphy Brown.

>Several million years of evolution went into the design, and it is
>called "disgusting".  Life-creation is compared to unfavorably to prison.

    I'd say Murphy was joking; putting the best face she could on a 
situation in which although maybe she's supposed to feel warm, fuzzy, and 
angelic, all she really feels is that she wants to puke. If it really 
bothered her *that* much wouldn't she have done the typical liberal thing 
and gotten that abortion? Maybe that would make you happier about the 
situation, but I doubt it.

>If you view the world as something which is on the verge of destruction,
>in which all resources are dwindling rapidly, then every additional 
>person is a curse, not a blessing.  Life-creation becomes additional
>burden-creation in an increasingly hellish world.  

    Yup. That's probably why Murph went through with her pregnancy rather 
than aborting. That doesn't mean, though, that she has to suffer in 
silence. I don't think there's anything wrong with letting people know 
that pregnancy, albeit wonderful, is not without its drawbacks. Sometimes 
the drawbacks are worth it, as Murphy demonstrated.

>Who would stand by quietly if someone said "Your excess melanin production
>makes you look disgusting" or "the apparent slanting of my eyes make me
>look disgusting"?

    That depends on whether the person was joking in an attempt to 
share my troubles and raise my spirits. It's called "commiserating".

>  Yet when a *woman's* biology functions as evolution
>designed it to function, the woman is praised for thinking of herself as
>"disgusting".  She thinks of herself as being trapped, like a prisoner,
>and her companion says not a word to dissuade her.  Her self-image sucks,
>and this episode REVELS in the low self-image she maintains.

    Well, wait till your wife is pregnant and taking on water like a 
foundering ship, and then try telling her that she looks beautiful. I bet 
she'll call you a liar. She may *be* beautiful to you, but odds are that 
she'll feel terrible.

>The liberal value system insists that woman be sterile.  

    Well, *my* liberal value system doesn't insist anything of the sort. 
I recommend that you find yourself some different liberals to study.

>Women who dare to
>use their biology are scorned.  Note that sterility is all-important to the
>liberal concept.  Homosexuals, we are told, are that way because biological
>changes in their brain force them to be that way.  Yet their sterility is
>not "disgusting".  No, the female biology is "disgusting" when it works as
>biology intended it to work. No man is around because all men are, in the
>liberal ideology, ultimately sterile.  The liberal ideology says that men
>do not create life - they create at most a fertilized egg, a blob of tissue,
>nothing more.  Only women create life, and they need to have a way to 
>slice out that "disgusting" possibility whenever they can.  They need to be
>sterile in the same way men are.  Equality can only be obtained through
>surgery.

    Please, get some prespective.

>We are told that conservatives care only about business, but who tells 
>women that they can only truly be fulfilled if they have a career?  Who 
>tells women that child-rearing is a second-class status, and will always
>be so?  Who puts business, career, and self before home and family?

    Who tells women that if they have children then they should forget 
about asking to get their job back after they have the child? Who tells 
them that if they have kids they should forget management jobs which 
require lots of time and dedication?

>Steve Kellmeyer

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