HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Why are drugs illegal?
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:35:18 GMT


I know this should've gone in alt.drugs or talk.politics.drugs, but I just
can't subscribe to another group! (:

Anyway, a simple question: Why are drugs illegal?  Why, when caffeine does
significantly more damage than LSD?  What are the reasons for outlawing these
things?

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to
shulick@indiana.edu | hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the
(NeXTmail welcome)  | essence of inhumanity."  --George Bernard Shaw
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: pot
From: tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu (    )
Date: 3 Oct 1992 19:22:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

When ever I smoke a lotta pot and go to parties or a singles bar to
meet girls, I get very shy and insecure, does any body know what
causes this and what drug will counter act the delusion? :-(
does this happen to any one eles or just me.
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

Tryptophan definitely has an effect on both brain and behaviour. This
is well documented, and it is a prescription sleep medication in
Canada.

Other cases, I don't know. I am sceptical of debunking, since drug
companies worked quite hard to have tryptophan made prescription only
in Canada, and also worked to get many other amino acids regarded as
effective from being sold in nutrition stores. There is apparently a
lot of vested interest at work on this issue.

-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Robotussin DM
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:22:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello folks,

	I have recently heard that Robotussin DM, when taken in large doses,
can produce psychadelic experiences.  Would someone knowledgable in this area
please shed some light on this, as I am all questions and no answers.  Among
the questions I have are these:
	(1) Is the claim true?
	(2) What sort of dosage is required for such results?
	(3) What is the active chemical which would produce such results?
	(4) What are the effects of Robotussin DM when taken in large doses?
	(5) How long do the effects last, with such a large dose?
	(5) Will such large doses of Robotussin DM cause any permanent damage
            or otherwise harm the subject?
	(6) What suggestions or safeguards would you recommend to someone who 
            planned to take such a large dose of Robotussin DM?

	If you have any other pertinent information or ideas, please feel 
encouraged to post them here.  Thank you very much for your time and effort.

--Zerxes Bhagalia
  SUNY Buffalo
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Legality of primer substances
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.160229.1@summer.chem.su.oz.au> morgan_j@summer.chem.su.oz.au writes:
>Now, since the primer itself has no central effects similar to any C1
>substance, and would not be ingested with the intention of inducing such
>effects (the LSD etc would bet taken for that purpose), does that mean that
>possession/use of a primer would be legal?

As far as I can tell, possession of a primer per se would not be
illegal.  However, MDPR is derived from the schedule I substances
MDA and MDMA simply by hanging different alkyls off of the nitrogen;
I suspect it would be considered an analogue under the structural
definition.  Too bad; it appears to be an interesting substance, and
the synthesis given (in PIKHAL) looks reasonable.  You'd think
someone would pick up on it as a way to further investigate LSD's
mode of action.  On the up side, structurally unrelated primers are
probably legal, until they achieve a high profile.

>John Morgan

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: pamelor (r)
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:19:22 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 10-03-92 STEVE DYER wrote:

SDWhat I want to know is why a drug like Pamelor (nortryptiline)
SDis so damned expensive.  A friend on mine on the West Coast
SDwas paying >$100 for a month's supply, and this was something he
SDcould barely afford.  (When you consider than a typical month's
SDsupply of the new drug Prozac [20mg/day] is $60 or less, you begin
SDto understand how crazy this is.)

I don't know why it was so expensive but within the last two
months generic nortriptyline has suddenly become available...tell
your friend! My patients who are now taking the generic have
suffered no decrement in efficacy. It suggests to me that the
Pamelor manufacturer (can never remember which company makes
which drug, thank God!) *did* retain some proprietary rights
until just this year. Sometimes when there's a competing brand,
like Aventyl, it's because the secondary manufacturer has been
granted a license by the primary patent holder. I think I recall
that that's the case with nortriptyline. A supervisee of mine
once got incensed about this very problem and picked up the phone
to the company that makes Pamelor and asked.

                   |
...eliot          -*-              Postlink: ->CHANNEL1 [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

---
EZ 1.39 #178 [in Brookline MA 12:45 am, Sunday 10/04/92]
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:01:26 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct02.040831.0904298@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>| Note that observing that increasing dietary precursors might lead to
>| higher levels of certain neurotransmitters in the brain says absolutely
>| nothing at all about whether this is desirable or undesirable, or whether
>| such a phenomenon means anything at all as far as being reflected in any
>| behavioral correlates.  I'm on the side feeling it's nonsense, myself.
>
>I know you wouldn't be referring specifically to L-DOPA, since there's
>really no controversy about its affecting Parkinson's.

Cut the crap, Yazz.  We're not talking about l-DOPA, which is not a dietary
component and which is given to people who have a particular disease.

>But what about your publicly posted experience as a research subject
>(years ago, before the contamination problem I'm sure) wherein you
>were given tryptophan?  As I recall you said it made you feel somewhat
>drowsy, but that as soon as you ate some protein that feeling went
>away.  Could you comment?

Sure.  Whatever would make you think that the first statement is at all
incompatible with the second?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Seratonin Question (using this group as asked : -))
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:22:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:
: While I already know through bitter experience that antidepressants that affect
: the neurotransmitter seratonin (such as Anafronil) should not be mixed with
: alcohol, what I would like to know is the effect of its combition with other
: drugs.
: 
: Of particular interest is the effect on someone on a regular course of this
: drug taking something like "ecstacy" - a designer drug that affects the levels
: of seratonin in the brain to create a euphoric effect.  Would then effect on
: the user be increased?  Would they have the seratonin levels in their brain
: permanently affected?
: 

My general model of how this works goes as follows:

Sometimes a substance increases the quantity of a neurotransmitter in the
brain and  there is more stuff available. Sometimes a substance increases the
need or use of a neurotransmitter.(n.t.) 
The best way to increase the brain is to have both a heightened source
of the n.t. and accelerate the use of that n.t.
If you use a drug that just uses up current supply, then you crash
and are deficient for a while. If you use a drug that just supplies
the substance, the use may increase but only to a slightly higher level. 


--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:38:37 GMT

>: >How precisely is that meant?  Is it generally impossible to raise brain
>: >levels of neurotransmitters by putting the neurotransmitters anywhere on
>: >the wrong side of the blood-brain barrier, or are they just messed up by
>: >the digestive system?
>:     Usually the former; the extent of digestive hydrolysis or other
>: degradation depends on the specific neurotransmitter.
>What about the situations where the NT's don't get destroyed during
>the digestive process?
>I would think that if you raised the level of something in the
>blood that was capable of passsing the blood-brain barrier, it
>would have a higher level in the brain. As someone pointed out
>L-Dopa has that ability. I can attest to the fact that the
>tryptophan that I took did have an effect.

I want to second this point; I took 'smart-drug' doses of Choline (2-3g
daily) and while I experienced no apparent positive effects, I did
defnitely experience effects -- severe depression.  Many others who have
tried Choline have experienced the same thing.  (choline/inositol, that is)
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ministry@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Adler)
Subject: Re: Robotussin DM
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:06:17 GMT


I've done Robo 3 times, each with a dose of 4 oz.  What I've experienced
was trippy visuals (mind-movies when eyes are closed), slight nausea (Robo
tastes like shit, IMHO), and loss of motor skills.  Because I couldn't
walk straight, I just sat and listened to music, but my friends prefer
to move in strange ways because it apparently feels "neat."  

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato)
Subject:  nootropics
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:06:34 GMT




I have recently spent a small foortune on several 'nootropics' -- I got
Ephedra, Gingko Biloba, DMAE, Arginine, and a phenylalanine tablet that 
also has tyrosine and glutamine in it.

I hear that these can be used to enhance brain function, stimulate muscle
production, enhance memory, and enhance sensory function (even though I
am on a tablet of DMAE at this time, I still couldn't think of appropriate
synonyms.  Sorry).  So I was wondering -- what would be the best way to
take these?  I'd like to put them in a drink of some sort.  I also wanted
to know the exact effects of each of these, and if there would be any 
conflicts between supplements -- incidentally, I am also taking one
prescription drug at this time.

Anyone with any info?  Please mail me or post.  Thanks...




wizard


-- 
John P Onorato             |   "Softness without strength is weakness.
wizard@wixer.cactus.org    |    Strength without softness is meanness."
cactus.org!wixer!wizard    |             -- Mahatma Gandhi
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:22:17 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

The current issue of Scientific American is devoted entirely to the
human brain, the mind, and research about it. One article discusses in
detail the theory that eating neurotransmitters or precursors of 
neurotransmitters can enhance one's mental abilities. Their conclusion
is that it is mostly nonsense.
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: What *IS* this newsgroup?
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <marc.717166866@vieta.math.uni-sb.de>,
marc@vieta.math.uni-sb.de (Marc Conrad) writes:
|>alt.the.student.group.called.cesium

alt.org.cesium
                       
  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: National Standard of Time Broadcast
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

How do i monitor this broadcast?  My scanner doesn't seem to pick it up.
Do I need something special?  I'm very interested in this, so i'd be most
appreciative if someone could help me out.

mark foggin
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Pro-37 for sale (2 days old!!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:39:29 GMT

kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock) writes:
>They *would* take it back. I don't ever recall a RS employee
>doing a component-level battery of diagnostics on a return:-)
>If the unit is restored to original 'like new' spec by a reliable
>tech, then I wouldn't see a problem...it *is* just
>a diode, right? It's not like there have been drastic mods.

>They'd hit you for a couple of bucks for the missing box, but as long
>as you have the receipt, they will take it back and re-sell it as new.

>That, in my opinion, is no worse than RS policy of sending 'returned-
>as-defective' merchandise to the repair center, 're-packing' it
>and selling it as new.
*----
It's a good reason to never buy anything at radio shack.  Do they
really sell repaired merchandise as new?  I thought that was illegal.
GE, Sony, et. al. sell their B grade merchandise through distress
wholesalers and jobbers, and clearly mark it as reconditioned.

In any case, if you really paid $ 299, would only lose a couple
of dollars for not having the box, and aren't bothered by the
prospect of returning modified equipment as "new, saleable"
even though it isn't, then that would certainly be by far the
best return on your money, and the easiest and safest approach.

As for your "it *is* just a diode" comment, well, I don't know
what YOUR soldering skills are like and I don't like the idea of
strangers working on my supposedly new equipment.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Cellular between 440 and 450 MHz?
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:42:21 GMT


Just got back from an "extended" lunch hour! ;-)

I got a couple of burgers and drove to the top of a very large hill
in the area.  I figured I'd spend the noon-hour checking out the HAM
bands with my scanner.  It's nothing fancy: a Uniden BC70xlt good up to
512MHz (no 800 MHz or better).          

I was scanning the HAM band between 440 and 450 MHz.  I found some HAM
repeater freqs in my area (Milwaukee) which is exactly what I was looking
for.  I also found a bunch of what appeared to be cellular phone freqs
comming in very clear.  I heard the whole bit: dial tones, DTMF, ring tones
and a whole lot of conversations.  Why was I hearing this stuff in that freq
range (440 MHz to 450 MHz)?  Is that because celluar phone freqs are up
around 880 to 900 MHz?  What causes this half-freqeuncy effect?  Do all
scanners exhibit this phenomenon?  Note that I was NOT near a cellular
transmitter.  At least none that I could see.

Any insight is greatly appreciated.  Sorry...maybe this is a FAQ.

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
From: drawson@sagehen.Tymnet.COM (Dick Rawson)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Scanner Mail Order Catalogs
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:46:40 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

>Does anyone know of any mail order companies or other electronic companies
>(that are reputable) that sell scanners through the mail?  

518-436-9606 Scanner World
313-996-8888 Communications Electronics Inc.

Dick
From: rcw@teal.csn.org (Robert C. White Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Listening to Trunked Systems
Summary: Scanner Modification
Keywords: how to modify scanner
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:43:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Does anyone have/know of any device which can be attached to a scanner
(PRO-2006) to listen to a trunk system?  The city of Denver  is 
going to a GE trunking system, and it is difficult to listen to.


-- 
Robert C. White, Jr.					rcw@whitestar.com
From: RSWANSO@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Earphones
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:44:12 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Does anyone know where earphones similar to those of the Secret Service can
be obtained?  I am in need of a high quality, low profile earphone and know
that the Secret Service has good earphones.  Please E-mail or post information.
Thanks for the assistance!

---Reid Swanson                      E-mail:  RSwanso@American.edu
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: mab3474@zeus.tamu.edu (Myles Barkman-KG5AI Tx A&M Univ.)
Subject: Garfield.catt.ncsu.edu IP number
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:29:00 GMT

The IP number for the garfield site is 152.1.43.23.  I'm not so sure that list
I posted should have been posted because of it's length.  But no one should 
reply to it and post a whole copy of the list again.  Some people have to 
download these messages onto their computer to read them and they even have
to pay for it.  That's why posting large lists is a no-no.  But that's not
pertinent the the subject so I'll just close.
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* Hamnet    : KG5AI                                       College Station TX *
* Internet  : mab3474@venus.tamu.edu      RACES                              *
* Bitnet    : mab3474@tamvenus                ARES                           *
* Packetnet : kg5ai@w5ac.tx.usa.na               SKYWARN                     *
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From: ag684@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Stephany)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Pro-37 Mods???
Date: 4 Oct 1992 13:32:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


 
	Does any one out there now what to remove from
 
 a pro-37 scanner.  To eleviate it's 'restricitive' problem...
  
 
                                Thanx
                               Mark S.
                           AG684@PO.CWRU.EDU

-- 
There is nothing worse than sitting around listening old war
stories, with a bunch of people that were never in the war.
                          --- Mark S. Ag684 8-92
 
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: larry@mits.mdata.fi (Lasse Hero)
Subject: Mail order companies that carry PRO-43?
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:04:18 GMT

Well, the subject says it all.

I'm looking for a RELIABLE mail order company that carries PRO-43
at a REASONABLE PRICE. It should also accept VISA. 

I only need the FAX number (not 800-), address isn't necessary.

I heard that Marymac Industries has sells PRO-43 but I don't
have the fax number.
 
--
larry@mits.mdata.fi    "You don't have to tell me nothing!"
From: drw@esl.com (Dave Waters)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Mail order companies that carry PRO-43?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:51:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.radio.scanner
Distribution: usa
Organization: ESL Inc.

In article <larry.717516258@mits>, larry@mits.mdata.fi (Lasse Hero) wrote:
> 
> Well, the subject says it all.
> 
> I'm looking for a RELIABLE mail order company that carries PRO-43
> at a REASONABLE PRICE. It should also accept VISA. 
> 
> I only need the FAX number (not 800-), address isn't necessary.
> 
> I heard that Marymac Industries has sells PRO-43 but I don't
> have the fax number.
>  
> --
> larry@mits.mdata.fi    "You don't have to tell me nothing!"

Here goes nothing.

I don't have their FAX number, perhaps you could call Marymac at
(800) 231-3680 and they could give you their FAX number!

                 +-------------------------+
|  | |  |  |     | Dave Waters    WA6AWZ   |
+--+-+--+--+     | drw@esl.com             |
|  |||  |  |     | Compuserve: 73277,311   |
    |            +-------------------------+
    |
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:08:41 CST
From:         William Burris <C31002WB@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      The best??
Newsgroups:   alt.radio.scanner

Hi everyone,

     I'll get right to the point.  I'm looking to buy a scanner and would
simply like to know what is the best handheld and the best vehicle-mounted
scanners on the market.  I realize this is an opinionated question but
humor me - price is no concern, though the less expensive for equal quality
is always better  :-)

-william


William Burris
weburris@pear.wustl.edu
Washington University - St. Louis, MO
From: sungho@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sungho Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: The best scanner antenna for car?
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:03:25 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: dual.crhc.uiuc.edu

Netters,

I am new to the scanner world and am looking for a
car antenna for a better reception.  
My questions are (1) how much improvement I should expect? and 
(2) Which one should I buy?

I did some homework and found out that Radio Shack has two 
types of mobile antenna for scanner. One
that looks like a celluar antenna( you attach to window) and one that has a big magnet as its base.  Can someone tell me which one gives a better reception?

The cellular look-alike antenna looks better but I feel that its
performance may not be as good as the other one because the antenna goes 
through the window glass.


Thanks,
Sungho Kim

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: zimmer@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Roy Zimmer)
Subject: Frequencies Wanted
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:56:43 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

I would like to get frequency listings (preferably) or sources for them
for wireless and cellular phones.  If this is a FAQ, please point me to
them.

You may reply here or to me directly at zimmer@gw.wmich.edu

Thanks in advance,
Roy