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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: By the Time I get to Arizona...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:54:09 GMT

dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>I'm asking why you seem believe that preserving African culture and
>>heritage and the American Dream are mutually exclusive.  Does African
>>culture require failure as defined in today's society?  It's quite
>>possible to succeed in America and retain your cultural identity, as
>>the Italians and Jews have demonstrated, just to name a few.  So what
>>is it about African culture that excludes it?

>Its not African culture but white folks trying to prevent us from having
>an African identity.

And how can it do that?  What is it about an African identity that is
incompatible? 


> The Jews nor the Italians were beaten and killed for
>trying to maintain their heritage but the Africans bought over here as slaves
>were.

Wow, talk about revisionism (on the first part).


>This trend still exists today. If an AfAm has a strong sense of African
>identity he/she is immediately called a radical, etc..

Why don't you define exactly what's involved with a "strong sense of
African identity"?

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Nuke the gay unborn minority homeless baby whales for Jesus
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From: st11a@judy.uh.edu (Joseph Beasley III)
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African Americans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:21:00 GMT

> 
>***** Some kids living in the ghetto can "just say 'NO'" for only so long be-
>fore they end up trying drugs. A kid in the 'burbs doesn't have to worry about
>this kind of thing. Are the police doing their job in the inner city? Do the 
>police even care about the people they're supposed to protect, like their 
>counterparts in the 'burbs? Does a kid in the 'burbs have to worry daily drive-
>by shootings and gangs on the street corner?
>*****
> 
Are you saying that all kids living in the "ghetto" have tried drugs during
some time in their life?  It seems that the kids in the burbs would have 
access to more money to buy drugs.  If you haven't seen gangs in the burbs of
major cities, why not visit Houston or Dallas for a weekend.
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From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:38:49 GMT

In article <dfs.703194746@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

>Possibly, but I'd doubt it - the Iranian govt has persecuted Baha'is
>much more brutally than it has Jews. 

While Bahais have been discriminated against in Iran, Jews have enjoyed
religious freedom and are even represented in the Parliament.
I personally think that relatively speaking a Jew is more respected in 
Iran than a Muslim is in the U.S.

>David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,

Behnam Sadeghi
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: By the Time I get to Arizona...
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:11:30 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr5.151432.8719@anasaz> john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <1992Apr4.230217.12159@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>]Look at the price that they are willing to pay in order to get that American 
>]dream. Many Asian children don't care about their culture and heritage.
>
>This is bad? I don't cling to my ancestor's German/Dutch/English/Scottish
>backgrounds, and I don't feel any loss.
>-- 
>John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)

	Can't belive y'all made this statement get away. Mr Moore just 
placed himself in the dominant majority of this country and then says 
that he doesn't cling to his ancestor's backgrounds. Well maybe he doesn't,
but we're all speaking their language, immersed in their culture every day,
while being ignored our claim to the country. Sure, there's no loss.
	Mr Moore, there's no need for you to cling to your ancestor's 
backgrounds, America has done it for you. 

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr11.031229.13893@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.org (Neil Hull) writes:
PH>    Yes all men are created equal BUT ALL WOMEN ARE CREATED SUPERIOR!!!!!!!

Great.  This sort of typical radical feminist thinking shows a great deal of
gender tolerance, doesn't it?

 * SLMR 2.1a * My reality check just bounced.
From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: The AfAm xperiance
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:46:30 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <1992Apr10.223753.8033@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
->As you can see from my header I'm here at a Jewish school.  If I had $1 for 
->every hour of discussion I've had about :the comparisonn of the Black exper-
->ience to the Jewish one, Black issues, White issues, and Black/White issuse,
->all my bills would be paid (my personal ones at least; this is one expensive 
->ass school), adn I would be livin' kinda large.
->
->I still hold my beleif that the AfAm experience, from past to present, is
->still the worst of ANY culture and no other can compare.
->
Uh, Apache?  Souix? 

>Peace


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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:31:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr15.181721.24596@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> jkgreen@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jere K Green) writes:
>
>In the 7th century AD, Muhammad had a black African slave named Bilal
>(whom he freed)

There are obviously gaps in your (if infact your knowledge is not itself entirely a gap), the commonly accepted racial designation of Muhammad is ARAB, which is really nothing but another phase of caucasianess.

>  Blacks
>have been sold into slavery along the east coast of Africa for
>thousands of years, and is well-documented. Are you disputing this?

This is a vague staement with absolutely no evidence. Please supply those documents, and they'd better be first hand eye witness accounts or references thereof.By making such statements in a manner as confident as you show you give some theimpression that you are speaking the truth you are not.
If you mean that Arabs enslaved Aficans, please see my first answer above. If you mean negroes enslaved other negroes, the you are not telling the truth. When
evr one nigro group defeated another, it assimilated it, period.
Any thing else is a figment of an active mind.
>
>The primary reason that the South seceeded from the union was that
>they thought they were losing a balance of power on the issue of new
>states entering the union being free states or slave states

And what have I been saying? The contradiction created by their being a slave
economy competing with the infant industrial economy precipitated a war. Rather
than hit the nail on the head, you seek to move in a round about manner. There was no longer need for a slave ecomnomy. Infact it was a bother in that it stifled the pace of industrialization by continuing to serve those areas of the econo
my where mechanisation might have otherwise been used. This was a classic class
struggle. Remember that THERE was never a class that yielde power in history 
without a revolution. Not even the communists in Eastern Europe, and certainly
not the slave holder in America. Human society has always been advanced by the
need to produce more, morallity might be one of the excuses invoked but never has it been the prime mover of improving mans material fortunes, and it has certanly not superceeded the urge for more and better production.
 
>
>The industrial revolution occured primarily because of breakthroughs
>in understanding nature (science) and using this knowledge for
>practical applications (industry).
>Jere

I see. If we examine the text books of science, we will find that even as the
industrial revolution was occuring the Germans and the French had better scie
ntist than the English tand Americans. Why therfore did the revolution not
occur in Germany which was at the same level of technical development?

Makala
From: arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Feminism
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:09:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males

In article <guillory.702891197@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu>, guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes...
>v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
> 
>>It shouldn't be necessary to pass laws so that people "know" things that
>>will give them self-respect.  That's what mommy and daddy are supposed to
>>teach them when they're little.  Laws can't substitute for mom and dad.
> 
>But what about when Mommy and Daddy don't teach this?!? This is
>the whole fucking point! Have you ever SERIOUSLY thought about
>this?!?!?

Just because mom and dad don't teach the children something doesn't mean
that passing laws *can* teach this.  You might be surprised at the damage
done to ordinary fellows by all of the male-bashing feminism going around.
There are a lot of men out there ashamed to be what they are because they
read in the newspapers every day that men are just a bunch of rapist scum
who are less than human.  That's why the men's movement is getting
so popular lately.  Becase feminism is a form of opression that is just
a caricature of the oppession of felales that has gone on since pre-historic
days.

***** I'm a man, and I'm not ashamed of who and what I am. To be truthful I 
don't the newspaper every day, but whenever I do I don't see articles saying
'men are just a bunch of rapist scum who are less than human'. Could you cite
some examples? Somehow substantiate this claim? Give us some names of 'ordi-
nary fellows' who have been 'damaged' by 'male-bashing feminism'?

I recall hearing of a so-called women's studies class at a school which 
amounted to male-bashing; in fact, one favorite activity of the professor and
some of the women students was to tell jokes wherein a man was in an accident
and was literally in pieces and that all his body parts were recovered , ex-
cept one: his you-know-what. Nothing wrong with telling a joke, of course,
but I fail to see how this could be construed as imparting knowledge. Now
this type of thing I don't defend, but methinks thou dost protest too much,
unless you provide us with some evidence for your previous statements.

Additionally, let us know what you find so objectionable about women trying
to attain equality with men, and why this scares you so.

Peace.
*****

-- 
"A young man who is a conservative has no heart; an old man who is a liberal 
has no brain." (Winston Churchill)
"Sin trabajo, no hay nada." ("Without work, there is nothing.")
Vance Arocho: arocho@acsu.edu (SUN)/V068PZYD@ubvms  (VAX)
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From: Neil Hull <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: More responses from R
X-To: STAN KRIEGER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:58:00 GMT

SK>Ralph Winston writes...
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SK>Look you anti-Semitic son of a bitch; I'm getting sick and tired
SK>of this.  Remove that anti-Semitic trailer from your postings
SK>immediately!!

At the risk of being flamed (now I'm REALLY asking for it here...)

What ever happened to freedom of speech?

I might think that what Ralph's trailer is rather offensive  (THERE!
I just admitted one of my views...Heavens...what have I done now?!?), but
I hardly have the right to tell him to stop.

I mean ... if you were to make a trailer saying "GOD IS DEAD" or "The
Beatles really lived in a yellow submarine" (and THAT's supposed to be
insulting??) or whatever, would I be so anal-retentive as to tell you
to stop.

If Ralph's trailer bugs you so much, include him in your twit file!
Heck, if anyone is so stupid is to believe that there is still a
"Zionist Thought Police" in existence.

Remember... "My right to swing my fist ends at your face".  While Ralph
is admittedly pushing it, I don't think that he's openly slandering any
PERSON, nor is he doing anything more than implying that the people who
oppose his views are "Zionist Thought Police".  (I do NOT believe that
we should infer that he is calling all Zionists "thought police").

W.

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From: st11a@judy.uh.edu (Joseph Beasley III)
Subject: Re: W.C.of AfAms
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:33:00 GMT

>***** Note that I said 'some', not 'all'. Kids in the 'burbs probably do have
>access more money to buy drugs but they are probably less likely to buy them.
>As far as gangs being in the 'burbs, what type of 'burbs are we talking about?
>Predominately White? Or predominately Black?
> 
>Peace. 
>*****
Most of the burbs that I have seen so far have been mostly white with a few
blacks and hispanics mixed in.  I would like to know why you think someone
who has the money would somehow be less likely to buy drugs.  
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African-Americans
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:20:25 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

In article JohnHall:
| In article sguillo@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stanford Guillory) writes:
| | Of the thousands of whites I have met, only about 5% would 
| | have made it in Northwest Houston.
| 
| And I am probably not one of them.

Actually, John Moore has a point.  It depends upon how the
experiment is set up.  Raised in Stan's place my odds might
have been decent.  But dropped into the neighborhood in
HS, without the survival skills he developed from childhood
and being an obvious outsider I'd have been in *big* trouble.

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views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:33:17 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:

>It shouldn't be necessary to pass laws so that people "know" things that
>will give them self-respect.  That's what mommy and daddy are supposed to
>teach them when they're little.  Laws can't substitute for mom and dad.

But what about when Mommy and Daddy don't teach this?!? This is
the whole fucking point! Have you ever SERIOUSLY thought about
this?!?!?
>						-- John Schutkeker

Stanford S. Guillory
sguillor@pcocd2.intel.com
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From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:04:03 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <1992Apr9.181844.21589@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.230013.24086@anasaz> best@anasaz (Mike Best) writes:

... stuff deleted ...

>
>>  I also suggest that if compensation is handed out that the continent
>>  of Africa is also held responsible for the AF-AMs own "brothers" 
>>  were quite involved in obtaining the unfortunate future slaves of
>>  the New World.  Address this!
>>
Acutally, it was white Africans who enslaved black Africans.  While some tribes
did sell their captured enemys into slavery, it was white Africans who "ran
the business" and actively marketed the "product."  They gathered slaves in
holding pens around Northern ports and sold them to traders. It was not
practical for sailing ships at the time to anchor off shore and send raiding
parties deep into the continent to capture slaves as depicted in the movies.

I'm not aware of any well researched history that shows blacks as slavers in
a general sense.  I believe it's only supposition because we do know that
some black tribes enslaved their enemies.  Trading and commerce in slaves
was purely a white enterprise.

>Well first of all europeans enslaved Africans and transported them to America,
>not Africans. Europeans seperated families, worked the slaves to death and
>killed them...not Africans. African slaves worked for this country for centuries
>and made it what it is today via FREE labor due to the european slave traders
>and masters... NOT AFRICANS. There were jews involved in the capture and murde

Yes, Africans.  White Africans, yes, but Africans.  White Africans were the
genisis, the thrust and the core of Negro slave trading. Indians were 
enslaved too but weren't openly traded as "property" as Negros were.  

>
>Dowdy Jackson


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From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.161233.2923@arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.uucp (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.010909.27043@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>
>>Where are you getting your information from ? You are making statements about
>>something that you know nothing about ! Every African was at risk of being
>>enslaved by the european slave traders ! I have relatives and written accounts
>>in my family that talk about these kinds of things. It just angers me to
>>think that white people just don't want to own up and admit that THEY are
>>responsible for enslaving Africans ! NO ONE ELSE. 
>>
>>Dowdy Jackson
>
>I hope that you are not saying that ALL white people are responsible 
>for enslaving blacks, because I am white, and I have never enslaved 
>anyone.  
>
Nope I'm not saying that ALL whites are responsible but I do beleive that the
vast majority of whites today do all that they can to insure that AfAms
and Native Americans don't have equal access to things that they should have
as citizens in this country. So while no white person in this day and age
has actually enslaved an African they still maintain a system that holds the
same negative views and ideas about AfAms and Native Americans.

>And While we're at it, what would you say to this question?  When do I get 
>reparations from blacks because my grandfather fought and died in the Civil 
>War in order to free blacks from slavery?
>
>That was just a hypothetical question.  One grandfather came over from 
>Germany in 1912, and the other was a wheat farmer in North Dakota (no 
>slaves there).
>
>Ted
>
Well Ted, the Civil War wasn't about freeing slaves it tried to prevent the
seperation of the Union of the United States. Remeber the south wanted to be
seperate. So sorry... No reparations for you.. :)

Dowdy Jackson
>Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>A: That's not funny.
>---------- krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu ----------  


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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:57:18 GMT

dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>| Second If you are talking about slavery, ect the AfAm 
>>| community is STILL suffering form this holocaust. 
>>
>>How?  Do you believe in ghosts? Or does self-inflicted
>>emotional duress over the harm done to your ancestors
>>count?

>Man !!! I'll respond to you via e-mail. You obviously don't have any AfAm
>friends or interact with very many AfAms do you ?

Suprise, not all AfAms are completely bitter idiots who spend all
their time complaining about how they can't possibly make it because
their ancestors were enslaved.  As with me, perhaps he prefers to
interact with people who don't spend all their time whining and
moaning about conspiracies, regardless of the type.  My black friends
and coworkers are highly competent and well adjusted people (I suppose
that makes them sell-outs?).  Those that I knew who had a hard time
usually came from a bad or nonexistent family situation, black and
white alike.

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From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:23:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

| Second If you are talking about slavery, ect the AfAm 
| community is STILL suffering form this holocaust. 

How?  Do you believe in ghosts? Or does self-inflicted
emotional duress over the harm done to your ancestors
count?

| Why shouldn't they receive some sort of compensation ?

Because 'they' have not been enslaved and the victims
of this 'compensation' didn't do the original enslaving.


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