HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Josef Stalin)
Subject: Re: Those Damned Station ID Things
Originator: yarvin@turquoise.CS.Yale.Edu
Organization: Psychological Warfare Division, Numerical Analysis Brigade
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:26:07 GMT

ewing@ibmb8.cs.uiuc.edu (Brandy "Bang" Ewing) writes:
>   ANYTHING I EVER NEED TO KNOW, I 
>   LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN

It's hard to imagine a more abject admission of personal failure than the
above quote.  It says so many things, in so few words:
	"I have the mentality of a six-year-old."
	"I don't know anything about how the world works."
	"I get along in life without at all using my wits."
	"I Am A Brain-Damaged Individual."

--
Norman Yarvin						yarvin@cs.yale.edu
"You have to work on the tone.  Icy superiority is more effective than anger."
	- Steve Dyer
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC))
Subject: Re: The further end of the world as we know it
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:51:28 GMT

In article <17324@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>!Peeve: New Orleans for Christmas.

what a great place! the music, the people, the food! don't know if you're
going or have already been. if your going, try la lousiane. or is that
le louisianne? well you get the idea. just maaarvelous!

-l "the frenchy stuff always gets me" p

-- 
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*    "i may make you feel but i can't make you think" --Jethro Tull *
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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Who Stole My Caffeine Supply? (Was: technology dependencies)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:18:20 GMT

<In article <1992Jul29.222331.13955@umbc3.umbc.edu> potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:

	Ok, I haven't had my "first cup of stuff" yet, but I'll
	take a whack at this one anyway.

<   peeve: getting dependent on the technology to the point where, when
<	   there's a slog on the network, i want to shoot someone.

	Huh? If slobs on the net really bother you that much,
	how ever did you manage to hang around alt.peeves 
	this long?

	Just killfile the slob and be done with it.

<   peeve: slogs.

	Looks like your finger is slipping uphill from the
	"b" to the "g" key. Could be Carpal Tunnel Syndrome;
	have you ever worked much with goldfish inside
	of a hole in a mountain? If so, mebbe you better
	have an ichthyologist check out yer fin..er,
	hands.


<   -l "feh" p

ObPeeve: posting to peeves before having more "wakeup juice"
	 and getting the feeling I'm missing something.....
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: elliott-bruce@CS.YALE.EDU (Bruce Elliott)
Subject: Re: Another Enema Zoo Blunder (Was: Self-serve gas stations)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:58:32 GMT

In article <ATAYLOR.92Jul29103407@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>	Wanna know how the Parking Dept. picked 5$ as a fee for
>	parking stickers? D'yah spose they actually sat down
>	and looked at their budget, figured out what they 
>	needed, asked the B'dness Office for suggestions?
>

You guys are complaining about a $5 fee?  Is that for a whole year?  What
a bargain!  Here at Yale, it costs $35 a month to park on campus.  If you
are a student, it costs $60 a month.  The parking office is even talking
about how generous they are because they haven't raised the rates from 
last year.

Alex Elliott
The Lemming.
elliott@minerva.cs.yale.edu
From: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Oh, and one more. . .
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Organization: Penicuik People's Revolutionary Sheepdog Liberation Front

And lo, Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (ObTerrorist) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> Popular belief in Italy is that it's pronounced more like "tourus".
> My Latin teacher also agreed on that.

Yeah, I'd say that's the correct pronunciation. It's certainly the one I
use when I'm thinking about what I'm saying - if I'm not, I tend to use the
same as Geoff.

> [ The pronounciation above is approximate, because it seems that English
> language does not contain the necessary sounds. It certainly does not
> contain the sounds to pronounce my name correctly, and the "au" is
> pronounced the same in both. There is an ObPeeve hidden somewhere in
> this brackets ]

You sure about that? Isn't it the case that if you spelt your name Cloudio
instead of Claudio, people would get considerably closer to your name than
they do now?

--
		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
     "The water shines/A sheepdog skips across the face/A dozen times"
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: BDI: Who/what is it?
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
	<24268@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:26:10 GMT

In article <24268@castle.ed.ac.uk> egev05@castle.ed.ac.uk (B A Page) writes:

    In article <1992Jul28.074146.23212@sco.COM> charless@sco.COM (charles stross) writes:
    >In article <1992Jul26.153219.1@gumby.mgi.com> thompson@gumby.mgi.com writes:
    >>I gave it a shot. I read about a hundred articles and searched in vain
    >>for a FAQ list. OK, I give up. What is a BDI?
    >A BDI is a Big-Domed Individual; 

    Hell, and there was me thinking that a BDI was a Bald Dame-Impaler, a
    turgid, throbbing, vein-bursting, snatch-seeking 

    WILLY

    Babs

 Well, I was going to reveal it as Big-Dicked Individual earlier, but I
 didn't want to offend anyone. Now that Babs brought up the subject again..

 I just love it when you talk nasty.

 L.
"Yeh, Buddy..            | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)|  _~~_
 I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory        | (O)(-)
 Right HERE!!"           | New Mexico State University          |  /..\ 
 (computer THIS!)        | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003    |   <> 
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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are CORRECT, mine, and not PSLs or NMSUs..
Yo! Bottoms up! US motto. Boy!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Micro Beards (was something else entirely) 
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1992Jul30.044141.1096@cs.yale.edu>
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:09:42

Alex Elliott writes:
>Peeve:  Germanic Latin.

Germanic Latin????

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Nidaros, Norway

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Subject: Re: radio stuff
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:16:42 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God
Distribution: na

In article <35977@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>Looky here, dude, this group was created for whining 
	This group was not created for whining. It was created for
peeving. If you can't tell the difference, you are in sad shape, indeed. 
There is a news group called alt.whine that was created by the folks that 
couldn't handle peeving and need to whine. Perhaps you should go over 
there. You'd probably be happier and I know that we would.

>That is also a 'discretionary' activity. I have to listen to music
>or whatever on the radio, and I will keep whining about any BDI DJ 
>who keeps bugging me in between songs.
	Perhaps you should start to peeve and forget the whining. I don't
think that there is anything more peevesome than a whining moron. You are
cruising at break-neck speed towards that status. 

-- 
Chris Baldwin                |"1984 has past. Forget about Big Brother.Welcome
baldwin@carina.unm.edu       |to the '90s, where the givernments your mother." 
                             |                     --Scatterbrain
"I say that What the Country Needs is a Drieux In Every Pot!"
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:38:31 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:

>fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>>Then again, I'm not real impressed by the argument that the Guvmint has
>>a legitimate interest in what goes on in folks bodies anyway.

>You have the wrong line of reasoning there.  The assumption that the
>government shouldn't be concerned about people's bodies leads directly to
>the conclusion that welfare should be junked completely.

No, just that the Guvmint shouldn't be handling it. Folks could take
out unemployment insurance. For the ones that never were employed, well,
if they want our money they can ask for it and let us make a decision on
the merits of the case. That way we can cut out the Guvmint as an
expensive middleman.

>Which would be out of line.  We all live in socialist countries, where
>socialist thought is so all-pervasive that nobody would ever _dream_ of
>eliminating welfare, except for a few radical Libertarians and such who are
>light years away from having any power.

Hey, am I one of *those*?

>No, the argument that the government shouldn't be coercing people is naive.
>What the hell do you think our governments are for, besides coercing
>people? 

Protecting people and their rights?

>That is their primal function.  It's how they came into power, and
>how they keep it.  They do nothing else.  And, notwithstanding the arguments
>of anarchists, we really are better off with them than we would be without
>them.

If Guvmints didn't exist, it'd be necessary to invent 'em....

>There are still good reasons to oppose the drug testing, though.  A new
>government bureaucracy would have to be created to maintain it.  It would
>waste money on expensive drug tests.  It would create opportunities for
>corruption.

And it's wrongheaded in the first place. It's none of anyone's business
what goes on in someone's bloodstream unless they intend to exchange
bodily fluids. If an employer thinks that someone is unfit for work,
there are ways of testing for that which don't involve anything more
invasive than requiring 'em to play what amounts to space invaders.

Anyway, I have a great new angle on welfare if I can just find the
article in the pile of newspapers I have for recycling.....

>--
>Norman Yarvin						yarvin@cs.yale.edu
> "When a democratic government does a wise thing it usually does it for a
>  foolish reason." -- H. L. Mencken

FoFP
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
Subject: Re: Oh, and one more ...
Keywords: Johnston, Beauregard, Longstreet, Jackson, and all those guys
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:19:02 GMT

In <l6dvevINNj09@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Baron von Umlaut) writes:

>Oh, piffle. Jefferson Davis, my ass.  I gotcher Jefferson Davis hangin'.

Dead and rotten, is it?

Unlike Geoff, The South Shall Rise Again!

Dutifully,
  Bill
--
"Take me down where the love honey flows,
 kiss you nice, nibble your toes."      -B-52s, Good Stuff
From: Jonathan Egre' <jonathan@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:07:39 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:

> No, just that the Guvmint shouldn't be handling [welfare]. Folks could take
> out unemployment insurance. 

Is this supposed to be serious?  Do you seriously expect insurance companies
to grant affordable unemployment insurance policies to the sort of people who
are likely to become unemployed?

>                              For the ones that never were employed, well,
> if they want our money they can ask for it and let us make a decision on
> the merits of the case. That way we can cut out the Guvmint as an
> expensive middleman.

You mean you want to increase the number of tramps on the streets hassling 
you for money by a factor of, say, twenty?  And you don't expect the 
frequency of muggings and pocket-picking to increase?

                                    -o-O-o-

There is ALREADY a simple, effective and CHEAP mechanism for making sure that
welfare recipients spend their welfare money wisely: welfare payments are
so low that if the recipients don't spend them wisely, they starve.

--
Jonathan Egre' = jonathan@mantis.co.uk = jonathan_e@cix.compulink.co.uk
Word for the day: "peritoneum".  Include it in all your conversations today!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Please Fondle My Buttocks)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Men's Cologne and Other Proof of Satan's Existence
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:29:44 GMT
Organization: The San Jose Home for Perverted Hackers

larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:

[what is "classy" and what is not]

>There's a good short book around called Class (can't recall the author)
>which talks about such things, in a very interesting fashion.


AUUUUUUAAUAUAUUAUGUUGUGHGHGHGHHH!@!! FUCK ME HARDER!

If this is the very least time I hever hear of that goddamn book, it won't
be too fucking son.  What a boring waste of time!  Even worse is people wh0o quote
out of the damn thing and go on and on about how wonderful this guy is and what a fucking genius he is.  AUAUUAUAUAHUAHUAUHGUHAUHRUHAUHGUHAGUHARUAHRUGHGHUGUHGHGHGHGHGHG

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Death to that goddamn book!  It can't go out of print too soon, I say.
-- 
"If I had killed her when I had first thought about getting divorced,
 I would have been out of jail by now."
	-- A newly-divorced guy I met at a block party
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:30:09 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu (Jenni Sheehey) writes:

>In article <24169@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) says:
>>yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
>>

>>>What the hell do you think our governments are for, besides coercing
>>>people?
>>
>>Protecting people and their rights?

>And how do they do that except for coercing other people?

Well, OK, I realise that just as with kids, telling adults to "play
nice" doesn't work either. Yes, if someone is abusing someone else's
rights then they are, by definition, coercing that person. The Guvmint
in turn, being there to protect rights, would possibly find some degree
of coercion necessary in order to

a) immediately protect the first person

b) ensure that due process was followed within the justice system

FoFP

"As ye sow, thus shall ye reap."
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: What? WHAT? (Was: Mr Science Visits Santa Cruz)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:06:38 GMT

<In article <1992Jul27.051514.28083@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

<   Trust us, it is For Your OWN GOOD.
<   We are Hear to Help YOU.

	Huh? Whatzat? 

	SPEAK UP, I CANNOT HERE YOU!
From: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Things that go *** in the night
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:14:41 GMT
Reply-To: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Penicuik People's Revolutionary Sheepdog Liberation Front

And lo, eset08@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Strobridge) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> and after them come the mail planes doing low moaning swoops over the
> city.

Hey, I happen to *like* the mail planes! There's something incredibly
peaceful about hearing a prop-driven beastie droning slowly overhead at
midnight or 2am. It triggers off pleasant childhood memories of when most
traffic into Edinburgh Airport had propellors [cue Geoff on the wonders of
turboprops...]

--
		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
     "The water shines/A sheepdog skips across the face/A dozen times"
From: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Chimpanzees/Olympic Games
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:39:31 GMT
Reply-To: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Organization: Penicuik People's Revolutionary Sheepdog Liberation Front

And lo, egev05@castle.ed.ac.uk (B A Page) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> You mean you actually CHOSE to watch the opening ceremony?  The most
> tedious and americophilic part of the entire peevesome caboodle?
>
> Am I the only one who sees some slight inconsistency here?

No inconsistency when you consider that...

1. I only watched the actual procession of the teams, none of that weird
   surreal "Disneyland on drugs" dancy stuff.
2. I only watched the procession to see if I could spot Conrad from the
   office two doors along from me, who is in the British fencing team.

On a completely unrelated note...

PolitiPeeve: With the announcement of Labour's new Scottish team, we hear
that the members of the Scotland United cross-party pro-independence
coalition are surprised that, against all predictions, none of their Labour
members were put into Labour's shadow Scottish office (or whatever they
call it). Just who predicted it? Those reknowned independent political
analysts, The Scotland United cross-party pro-independence coalition. Neat
tactic - predict something that nobody else has, then act as if it's a
major shock when it doesn't happen. Have to try it...

I would now like to predict that when I leave this office after typing this
paragraph to go and make my first cup of coffee of the day, I will be
abducted by 15 statuesque blonde Valkyrie-type women, who will proceed to
ravish me repeatedly and subject me to exhausting progenitive rites
involving Thousand Island Dressing. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get
my coffee...

Well, I must say that was a surprise. Against all predictions, I *wasn't*
abducted by 15 statuesque blonde Valkyrie-type women who ravished me
repeatedly and subjected me to exhausting progenitive rites involving
Thousand Island Dressing.

There were only 14 - one of them was on holiday. Besides, it was Blue
Cheese Dressing, rather than Thousand Island Dressing.

AntiPeeve: Blue Cheese Dressing.

--
		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
     "The water shines/A sheepdog skips across the face/A dozen times"
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:12:07 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman) writes:
> I don't have any statistics with me, but i don't think Sweden has the
> highest suicide rate in the world.

Indeed it doesn't.  That honour goes to Finland...


mathew
-- 
"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Kids N' Stuff
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Activists
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:39:32 GMT

In article <8kkm74f@lynx.unm.edu> hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman) writes:

>About eight years ago, I had the pleasure of accompanying a vice-president
>of Hasbro to a production facility about 40 miles north of Canton, China.
>In the middle of *nowhere* was a modern factory where tons of peasant
>women were assembling My Little Ponys.
>
>They also made Cabbage-Patch dolls there. The highlight of the tour was
>finding a bald Cabbage Patch head that had been painted with geometric
>designs all over on top of a garbage heap.

	Further proof that this is all a Communist plot, as evil and henious
as the international Communist conspiracy of fluoridation.  We should have
let Patton keep going.

>>!Peeve: Adult toys. (I can hear the groans already ...)
>
>You'll take away my Legos after you pry them from my cold, dead fingers!

	Legos?  Lincoln logs and Erector sets!  Don't forget the old Smash-
em-Up Derby sets either.  I'm firmly convinced these great toys are wasted
on the young.

	Peeve: Ronco, or some other company, recycles toys about every ten
years.  We've seen the re-introduction of Trouble, Simon, MasterMind, and
I even saw a Monopoly commercial yesterday morning.  So why won't they
re-introduce the truly great toys?  I think it's a conspiracy, but so long
as I've got my Hot Wheels I'm too busy to bother uncovering it.


--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:20:11 EDT
From: Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Group Projects, particularly on Richard Nixon.

In article <92205.164826SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>, Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
says:
>
>(In fact, he's under the impression that
>the "Village Voice" is a better source than Time magazine.  This is the
>same guy who thinks "Psychology Today" is a "journal".)

Peeve: people who think that because they're teachers, they know
everything about everything.

Peeve: I can't find the 20-odd page paper I wrote to fulfill the
assignment (for an upper lever psychology class) comparing the treatment
of a current issue in the field of psychophysiology in scientific
journals with the treatment of the same issue in "popular magazines,"
for which Psychology Today was given as an example.  I found exactly
what my instructor expected me to find (for once); PT is completely
bogus, and has the depth and insight one would expect to find in the
"Life" section of USA Today.

                                                 --Jenni
From: potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC))
Subject: technology dependencies
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:23:31 GMT

peeve: getting dependent on the technology to the point where, when
	there's a slog on the network, i want to shoot someone.

peeve: slogs.

-l "feh" p



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From: sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Oh, and one more...DSotM
Date: 17 Jul 92 20:36:03 GMT

In article <14375dINNat2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:
> In article <1992Jul13.125310.1277@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>obpeeve: All that goddam perfume they put in Health and Beauty aids. (etc.)
>>PEEEEEE-EWWWWW!
>>Personally I'd rather just stink.
> 
> Well, Scott, I'm glad to hear you use deodorant, shaving cream, and
> toothpaste, but what do you do with the feminine freshness products?

Who said I use deoderant, shaving cream or toothpaste? 
With respect to your question I don't use those products I just have
them around to remind myself daily how wonderful it is to be a man.


> What I think is hilarious is musk-scented deodorant.  The idea is to
> mask your natural body odor with a chemical concoction that smells
> like body odor.  What's the point?

So one may smell like an ox

> Of course, my favorite scent
> is patchouli, so I guess you could say I don't exactly have mainstream
> tastes...
> 
> Peace, love, and happiness
> -carol
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Carol Osterbrock       *       Such a long, long time to be gone
> carolo@cse.ucsc.edu    *         And a short time to be there...
> ===============================================================================