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From:         CMIS 320-4021 Instructor <cm320a@SOCRATES.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Xarhka gia to proswpiko sou gramma
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

Lewnida geia sou re, edw Nikos.

> Koitaje, soy grafw me proswpiko giati den goystarw na
> anoigw pleon metwpa sthn HELLAS.

Koitakse,
1. Eimai polu ekseplhgmenos mou mou grafeis proswpiko,
giati meres twra mou exeis dwsei thn entupwsh pws
pas gureuontas mia megalh kontra mazi mou, kati pou
den skopeua na afhsw. Opws isws ksereis den exw pote
epite0ei se kanena, alla kai den exw afhsei pote kontra
apo kanena, oso barbara ki an exelix0hkan ta pragmata.
Shmera kiolas eixa katebei ston apo katw orofo me ola
ta tape drives kai ekana restore ena fakello onomati
LEWNIDAS SOLICIT. Twra omws me to proswpiko pou mou
stelneis katalabainw pws isws kai na mhn aposkopouses
se baboura opws nomiza, kai 0elw na ksereis pws auto to
ektimw para polu, kai auth sou h kinhsh metrhse para
polu 0etika sto mualo mou.


> An to uewreis kamari
> soy poy o Stokas s'ebgale magka, na to xairesai. Kai
> 'gw uewrw kamari moy poy o Stokas m'ebgale noyla kai
> ntroph ths Dramas.

Lewnida den eimai magkas, talaipwrhmenos kai kunhghmenos
apo th zwh eimai kai egw, mono s kai erhmos. Exw ma0ei
th zwh xwris to mpampa kai th mama, exw koimh0ei se pagkakia
kai exw pleinei ekatommuria piata gia na mporesw na
spoudasw oti mexri twra mporesa. Den kserw ti paei na
pei magkas. Isws o tropos pou milaw, isws to style mou
pou den einai xaideutiko, isws h fwnh mou pou einai tromera
bareia einai auta pou kanoun tous allous na lene auth th
leksh. To oti thn eipe o Antreas kai oxi kanenas allos
den exei kammia diafora gia mena, kai den mporw na to labw
san kauxhma. H dikia sou omws anafora(O Stokas einai autos pou
eipe pws o Gabrielatos einai magkas") edine sthn olh protash
ena teleiws arnhtiko hxo, kai ekane miscredit oxi mono sth
leksh magkas, alla se mena idiaitera. H apanthsh mou htan
oxi mono fusikh, alla kai anamainomenh. Mh me rwtas an thn
pisteuw-an dhladh ekana kala pou apanthsa etsi- auto den to
kserw.


> Ena ayto. Parakatw twra: pote den me kalese Dean (mono
> prin dyo bdomades me phre sto thlefwno o Dean apo to
> Miami gia na moy pei pws phra to 1993 National Boltzmann
> Award --- ki ayto to kratw makrya apo thn HELLAS kai uelw
> etsi na meinei).

Sugxarhthria re, epi telous akousa kai kati euxaristo shmera.
0elw na ksereis pws tetoia mou dinoun idiaiterh xara. Egw
thn pempth kerdisa to presidents award sthn etaireia mou
gia "outstanding work in vmsecure". Mou dwsane xilia dollaria
ka0ara, kai mia plaketta gia ton toixo. H plaka htan pws
thn perasmenh pempth eprepe na hmouna sxoleio, opote den
phga sto partu ths aponomhs... Me fwnazane sta megafwna
alla egw tipota... den hmouna ekei... rezili dhladh :-)

Pantws egw anaferomouna se ekeinh th periptwsh pou se
eixe kalesei o professor sou, h o chairman h otidhpote allo
htan kai eixate phone conversation oloi mazi me tous
en tennessee tupous. Epanalambanw, to oti to eipa den shmainei
pws eimai euxaristhmenos pou to eipa(oute kai to anti0eto).

> Den zhtianeca pote tipota.

To gramma auto pou sou grafw auth th stigmh einai se teleiws
filiko tono. Panta se auto to tono 0elw na sou pw pws to
na grapseis IDIAITERA se ena swro atoma kai na tous zhthseis
na grapsoun kala logia gia sena, xwris na kserei o ka0enas
pws to idio mail to eixane labei kai alloi, to 0ewrhsa
teleiws astoxo.

Sou dinw to logo mou pws tote skeftomouna
kai elega kai se allous kollhtous edw pera "re pousth mou
pws kai ekane tetoia malakia o Hrakleiwths?" Me eixes
ekplhksei polu, kai h monh dikaiologia pou mporesan na brw
htan pws mesa sth tsantila tou me ton Petro den hksere ti
ekane... Telos, pisteua panta pws h anagnwrish otan
erxetai au0ormhta apo kapoion mono tote einai alh0inh,
timia kai dekth. An ginetai meta apo dikh mas "intrusion"
tote oxi mono den kanei mia, alla einai kai aksiokatakrith.
Kai esu tote zhtouses anagnwrish kai kala logia. E, pes to
opws 0es, egw to eipa zhtiania... (kai pali den kserw an
mou arese pou to eipa etsi)

An synexiseis na paizeis me tis
> lejeis anaferomenos se uemata poy exoyn na kanoyn (a) me
> thn uhriomaxia poy'xa me ton Petropoylo kai (b) me tis
> paparies toy Liwlh ston vax9000 den ua exw allh epilogh apo
> to na bgalw sth lista th dikh moy apoch kai na tis synodecw
> me stoixeia.

To "An" sth prwth grammh ths paragrafou mou dinei thn entupwsh
orou, kati pou einai mallon eksw apo ton xarakthra tou mail sou
kai pou mallon telika aporriptw(ennow ton pi0ano oro) san mh
apodekto.

Pame parakatw. Auto pou esu les 0hriomaxia egw den sou krubw
pws onomasa kokorodiaksifismous ... ase pou telika den katelhksan
pou0ena, giati kaneis sas den stamathse... telos pantwn, auto
htan diko sas 0ema, kai den xwnw th muth mou parapanw apo oso
ligo mou peftei logos.

> Sthn periptwsh ayth: (a) ua jhsoyme palies
> plhges dioti o Petropoylos exei hremhsei kapws, kai en
> pasei periptwsh einai pio dialaktikos

Thn anhsuxia sou auth thn aspazomai, kai einai kai gia mena
autos enas logos pou den 0elw na ginh baboura, pote den
h0ela gia kanena logo. Tis malakies pou exw kanei egw sth
hellas den kserw an tis exei kanei allo atomo, alla pote
den eixa kako sto mualo mou. Pantws gia na kanw kai edw mia
paragrafo, o Petros an ebgaine na tsakw0ei pali, den 0a
tsakwnotane me mena... Me sena 0a tsakwnotane...

Auto to lew gia na sou deiksw pws
nai men kserw pws me sena 0a tsakwnotane kai emena isws mou
arese auto an hmouna mazoxas kai goustara na sas blepw na
tsakwnosaste, alla opws eipa kai parapanw, pote den mou
arese na dhmiourgw h na blepw na dhmiourgountai sth hellas
fasaries kai tsakwmoi.

(b) ua mauei askopa
> h HELLAS gia mia atyxh kinhsh toy Liwlh poy ua toy kostize
> perissotera an egw kai o advisor moy den mesolaboysame kai
> den diname stoys papares toy utc na katalaboyn pws den
> einai sfalma toy Liwlh kai poly perissotero den einai diko mas.

Kai edw paw passo, den xreiazetai na milame gia to idio 0ema pali,
sto katw katw den xreiazetai na to 0umizoume ston spuro pou se
telikh analush einai o monos pou upefere toso polu, o monos
pou "timwrh0hke" apo olo auto xaos. Pantws re su, parapanw
to kaneis na fainetai pws se telikh analush eftaige ... to
tennessee to idio??? Siga re :-) mh tous kleboume ta lefta
kai meta tous leme pws autoi ftaine kiolas... :-) (me koufanes)

> Opws exeis katalabei --- an exeis katalabei --- o Stokas
> blepei thn HELLAS kai mesw toy koymparoy toy.

O Stokas einai kalo kai kshghmeno paidi kai malista x0es to
brady phga sto National airport edw sth washington dc kai ton
phra mias kai autes tis meres mas kanei episkepsh. Exei panta
ena xamogelo sta xeilh, panta etoimos gia kapoia plaka. Auta pou
grafei kata kairous ienai isws tsouxtera, alla twra pou  ton
eida kai apo konta katalaba pws ta grafei mono ypo morfh plakas
kai tipota parapanw. O koumparos tou den fantazomai na exei
na kanei tipota me sunomwsies kai etsi, oute nomizw pws o
antreas einai tu[pos pou ka0arizei mesw allwn. Mou milhse kai
gia sena kai mou ekane mia rough perigrafh, re kariolh,
kastanoksan0os eisai??? :-)

> An epishs den
> ekanes tis "plakes" soy persi kai eisoyn akomh owner ua
> eblepes pws o Stokas isws na einai se mail.

:-) :-) prwton, den xreiazetai na eimai owner gia na to dw auto!
Deuteron, den ekana egw gia owner re su, oute h0ela na mpw,
oute ais0anomouna aneta oso hmouna... egw 0elw thn eleu0eria mou,
0elw na grafw opws ais0anomai, oxi na dinw egw to kalo paradeigma...
(to kako nai, isws... :-) )  Telos, an 0umasai paraith0hka,
den phgaine allo pia... telos pantwn, h olh upo0esh htan ena
la0os kai eixa kai egw megalh eu0unh, alla ta pragmata eginan
xeirotera otan ekrupsa kai allous... an eixes el0ei ston
porkh 0a sou eixa gnwrisei kai ton nauth... htan ekei, gelastos
kai megaloprepos...


> An loipon symfwneis me thn apoch kai th filosofia toy
> Stoka, synexise to paixnidi soy sthn HELLAS. An den symfwneis
> de soy zhtw na bgeis kai na peis kamia kalh koybenta
> dioti opws fainetai ayto to uewreis zhtiania, alla opws
> ua lege kai kapoios koinos gnwstos mas kane mia toympeka
> ki ase me na kanw paixnidi mpas kai to boylwsei o anohtos.

Oute sumfwnw oute diafwnw me thn apopsh tou Stoka. Dikh tou
einai kai oti 0elei thn kanei. Den zhthse apo kanenan na ton
akolou0hsei, leei tis malakies tou opws tis leme oloi mas.
H diafora me auton einai pws kanei plaka kai mallon gelaei
mazi mas meta, giati einai plakatzhs kai tou aresei na peirazei.

Twra den prokeitai na pw oute kalh oute kakh koubenta, oute kalh,
alla oute kai prokeitai na kanw toumpeki an me prokalesei allos,
auto den to exw kanei pote mou. Pali kalws h kakws den kserw,
kserw pws etsi antidrw kai opoios exei stomaxi akolou0ei.

Telos sto "anohtos" kane ligo kratei, giati sou eipa, einai
trelliarhs kai aplws kanei plakes.

>
> Koitaje. Soy ta grafw sobara ayta. Den soy kanw oyte plaka
> oyte tipota. Jereis toylaxiston pws ki an exoyme xestei ki
> an exoyme diafwnhsei, soy feruhka me tropo sobaro kai isia ---
> oxi mpampesika. Den kanw tetoia pragmata.

Xairomai pou mou aneferes thn parapanw sou frash pws mou
fer0hkes me tropo sobaro kai sta isia, giati exw kairo twra
ena megalo parapono pou mexri stigmhs mou exei dwsei teleiws
anti0eth idea. O rolos sou sth Physics htan gia mena mallon
epibouleutikos, kai se telikh analush upoulos. Proswpikh mou
entypwsh olo auto fusika, kai epeita mhn ksexnas pws h telikh
katalhksh emena me boleue afantasta kai anelpista, afou opws
fanhke polu ligoi den katalaban th dikh mou apopsh. Den sou
krubw pws an kai bghkan ena swro malakies apo th physics, to
teliko ths apotelesma me ekane na noiw0w polu pio aneta apo
otan arxise h istoria ths.

Sth sugkekrimenh twra katastash, kai to 0ema me sena.
Milaw gia thn periptwsh pou ekei pros to telos ebgaines kai
eleges pws diafwnw, alla den eleges se ti diafwnw kai afhnes
na ennoh0ei olofanera pws egw eimai antisuntagmatikos,
antidhmokratikos kai mh patriwths... 0umasai ekeino to
"to suntagma epafietai ston patriwtismo twn politwn"
kai kapws etsi? 0umasai ekeina ta alla pou eleges sto
praktiko "o gabrielatos diafwnei alla kakws giati etsi kai
etsi?" Elega mesa mou re pousth mou grapse auta pou sou lew,
kai ase ta sxolia, esu kratas praktika den einai swsto gia
sena na kaneis sxolia...

Telos pantwn... auto pou h0ela
na pw kai meses akres to eipa(den kanw tape load tipota twra,
eimai kourasmenos kai den aposkopei pou0ena) einai pws mexri
stigmhs eimai mallon dusaresthmenos me to rolo pou epaikses
sth physics. Ta paragrafw omws ola auta, giati opws eipa
kai prin, den aposkopoun pou0ena, kai epeita shmasia den
exei to poios ekane tis pio polles malakies(egw mallon)
alla to poios dior0wse tis pio polles(kai edw mallon egw).


> Den ua apanthsw sto mhnyma soy sthn HELLAS gia na mh dwsw
> synexeia. Alla soy jekauarisa th stash moy, ki apo edw kai
> pera kaneis paixnidi esy.


Den exw pote mou epite0ei se kanenan. Pote mou. Den prokeitai
na to kanw twra. Mou thn psilopeses, sou apanthsa. Gia mena
ekei teleiwnoun ola. An sunexizes 0a sunexiza, twra den
uparxei logos. Epishs ksanaektimw to proswpiko sou gramma
kai 0elw na sou pw pws auto mou edeikse pws mallon elfalmena
pisteua pws h0eles fasaria.


>
> Leonidas
>
> PS: Koita na deis kai kati allo. Milaw mono gia o,ti gnwrizw
> kala. Kai s'ayta poy milaw dexomai kai kritikh. Twra an ues
> pame kai mia kontra s'ayta poy lew oti jerw, an ayto ua se
> peisei pws ta jerw. Kai mexri twra den exw dwsei entypwsh sth
> lista pws milw gia pragmata poy den jerw. Ej'alloy an
> prosejes oi syzhthseis moy einai gyrw apo leitoyrgika systhmata,
> poihsh, tex kai ligo aytokinhta.

Apo autokinhta to mono pou kserw einai na ta odhgw(kai mono
ta automata, egw edw ebgala adeia opote ta manuals den ta kserw).
Apo poihsh den skampazw mia(th diabazw, alla gia na grapsw oute
ston upno mou), kai apo tex telika oute kserw ti einai, den exw
dei mia o0onh tex pote mou. Asxetos teleiws.

Twra gia ta leitourgika... ekei kati kserw...(plaka plaka h
hellas mou exei ma0ei ta misa pou kserw gia unix shmera kai
me exoun boh0hsei oso pote mou den fantazomouna.... kammia fora
skeftomai mesa mou kai lew as einai kala h hellas kai ta paidia
pou einai mesa, giati sthn anagkh fainetai poso megalh boh0eia
einai... kai mexri twra emena eidika me exoun boh0hsei afantasta.

Pantws auto pou h0ela na pw einai pws sto parel0on mou exeis
dwsei thn entupwsh pws prospa0ouses na to paikseis monopwlio
sthn plhroforhsh... otan bghka egw o erhmos mia dwsh kai eipa
re seis, na, akousa pws bgalane rexx for unix, mou thn epeses
me mania... "Gia kainourgio mas to les?" mou eixes pei...
0a mporouses na peis pws "nai, uparxei rexx for unix, alla den
exei molis twra bgei, exei bgei kairo twra". Esu omws mou thn
epeses emena, enw 0a mporouses na eixes milhsei aproswpa,
eksupna kai diplwmatika.

San na mou eleges kane sth mpanta
kai ase emena mono na grafw texnika nea... Auto egine kai
me kana duo allous, enan pou elege gia to windows kai to os/2,
kai ena allo pou den 0umamai. Ksereis arketes fores blepw
orismena texnika la0h. Milaw fusika gia to vm giati opws
ksereis mono se auto eimai expert, se ola ta alla eimai
xaire asxetosunh perhfanh.

Prin kammia bdomada eida ena
la0os(mikro men, ikano gia problhmata de) se ena mail pou
eixes steilei gia ton RSCS se kapoion pou epsaxne na brei
pws na kanei query users se alla susthmata. Den bghka omws
na to kanw boukino kai na deiksw pws eisai asxetos(oxi pws
eisai, alla an edeixna to la0os authn thn entupwsh 0a
sxhmatizan merikoi).

Sunopsizw: oi gnwseis tou ka0enos
einai proswpiko tou apokthma, kai h epi0umia tou/ths na
tis moirastei me th hellas einai kati gia to opoio mono
uperhfanos noiw0w. Poios eipe pws oi Ellhnes den boh0ane
o enas ton allo? Poios eipe pws kuttane mono ton eautoulh tous?
Poios eipe "oti fame oti pioume kai oti arpaksei o kolos mas?"

E, nar0ei edw na tou pw egw pws h texnikh(toulaxiston)
boh0eia pou exei dwsei se mena h Hellas(mono) ta teleutaia
5 xronia pou eimai mesa, einai gia mena "priceless"...


> Uymasai na exw syzhthsei ektenws
> tipot'allo; Loipon oyte polyjeros eimai oyte ton polyjero
> paristanw. PWs esy ebgales tetoia apoch den to katalabainw.

To anelusa parapanw. Na pros0esw akoma pws den exw sxhmatisei
tetoia apopsh 100% kai pws twra meta apo to gramma sou arxizw
na pisteuw pws ontws den 0eleis na to paizeis polukseros. Elpizw
sto mellon na mh mou fanei pali to anti0eto.


> Pisteyw omws pws me to mail ayto ejhgoymai. Den perimenw
> fysika na bgeis sthn HELLAS kai na peis jerete magkes lauos
> ton phra ton Hrakleiwth. Opws me phres, me phres, goysto soy
> kai kapelo soy kai magkia soy. Opws magkia soy ua nai kai to
> ti ua kaneis apo dw kai pera. Kai koita: allo na se bgazei
> magka o Stokas ki allo egw, etsi;
>

Sumfwnw mazi sou. Se phra opws se phra, opws akribws ka0enas
pairnei ton allo opws tou th dinei. Oute fusika 0a pw tipota
sth Hellas, auto einai proswpiko mas. To teleutaio kommati
den to katalaba, prwta giati opws sou eipa egw den eimai
magkas, kai epeita den kserw ti ennoeis legontas allo esu
kai allo o Antreas. Elpizw na mhn ennoeis pws den einai
empistos.

Epeita opws sou eipa kai parapanw, egw to teleutaio
pou zhtaw einai anagnwrish... Ti na to kanw egw an elege o
Stokas pws eimai magkas, kai ti na to kanw an eleges esu pws
eimai magkas? Auto 0a me ekane ontws magka? Kai pes pws
me ekane, ti 0a kerdiza? Ti einai h magkia? Anoixto check? :-)

Den mou bazete ta eisithria oi duo sas misa misa na paw sthn
Ellada ta Xristougenna kallitera? Meta peste pws den eimai
magkas, den me noiazei... :-)

Loipon re, kai pali se euxaristw gia to gramma sou, kai kutta
den uparxei parekshghsh apo mena, otan uparxei kalh 0elhsh ta
panta ftiaxnoun. Kai opws blepw thn exeis, kai 0elw na se
diabebaiwsw pws thn exw kai egw. Loipon, se afhnw, ante geia.

Nikos
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