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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: tarmac rugrats
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:18:01 GMT

Two cents from another tormented child & adolescent: not my family, they
were pretty supportive (though mom was horrified at the notion I might be a
"genius" -- something she pictured as grossly abnormal -- but she didn't
stop me from reading).  Other kids, though were *vicious.*  Even when I
managed to reach the special classes for bright kids, I was still some sort
of outcast: I've never figured it.  

Anyhow, I savor one small bit of -- well, it's not revenge, exactly, I
don't know what to call it.  Shortly after my daughter was born, I happened
to meet the mother of one of my high school classmates.  *Her* daughter was
still unmarried, and she ooohed and ahhhed over my gorgeous offspring, and
then in a sort of wistful way said "But you didn't continue your schooling,
did you?" And I triumphantly replied, "Oh, yes, I got my Master's a couple
of months ago, too."  Poor woman, she was only trying to console herself,
and certainly *she* wasn't responsible for her daughter's rejection of me
-- but somehow it was some sort of personal victory.  *I* had managed to
get married (in those days, it was considered a desireable female
accomplishment) *and* continue my education: I had it all.

God, what fools these mortals be!

--bayla


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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Letter frequencies (was Re: Gleanings (38))
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              8 Apr 1992 23:36:58 GMT from <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:36:58 GMT Graham Toal said:
>From a corpus analysed by Anne Zettersten:
>
>Order of letters                            Type of document
>etaoinsrhldcumfpgwybvkxjqz                   Everything
>etaonisrhldcmufpgwybvkjxqz                   Newspapers
>etiaonsrhldcumfpywgbvkxjqz                   Religious
>etaionsrhlcdumfpgybwvkxqjz                   Science
>etaohnisrdluwmcgfypbkvjxzq                   Fiction
>etainoshrdlucmfwygpbvkqjxz                   (Ordering used by Morse)

Thanks...I'll be sure its pasted to my shirtsleeve if I ever get on
Wheel of Fortune.....

I do NOT understanding the "ordering by Morse" unless it means the one
that he developed from sort of analysis.   As a near-expert in Morse Code,
the order is NOT strictly in order of "length" or "simplicity" of the
characters.  Generally ones that are more frequent are shorter and simpler,
but by no means all of them.

dan
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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On Mon, 13 Apr 1992, CGOODSON@uga.cc.uga.edu wrote:
>
> >     Within my posting I said that a number of the private schools
> >started in the South to avoid integration also claimed to be there to
> >provide a better education. ---
> ---even they weren't naive enough to think they could get away with saying
> that the purpose was to avoid having to have their children going to school
> with blacks...
>
A question...does your statement "...even *they* weren't naive enough to
think..." refer to Southerners in general, or merely to the proponents
of the private schools started to avoid integration?
ndh
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Date: 10 Apr 92 08:18:22 GMT
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In article <9204092033.AA01423@Ra.MsState.Edu> maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
:> Yeah, but Natalie had no idea what a Turning Machine was.  I assume she has
:> some idea of what a Turing machine is.
:
:Depends upon how much an idea is necessary to count as "some idea."  I
:know that the term has something to do with computers.  Or I think it does.
:   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
:     who had to read just one little note while online...


Don't worry about it Natalie - in the post where Turing Machine originally
came up, the poster didn't know what it meant either; he seemed to be
equating it with a program which ran the Turing Test.  (To forestall
flames, yes - *any* program is reducible to a Turing machine, but that
wasn't what was said.)

Graham
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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE%CC.WEBER.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: childhoods....such as they were
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Dan, and everyone else:

>   Sure...rationally I know (and undoubtedly did all along) that I did not
>CAUSE his death....but of course these things aren't rational.

All of the stories I've read finally culminated in me having to shut my office
door and shed tears for everyone.  Why do these things have to happen?

LJG, pausing for a moment of existential crisis...
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Casey at the Bat
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I never thought I would have a kind thing to say about cats, a cartoon
strip about cats, and especially a children's cartoon show based on
the above. However. This morning as I passed in front of the tv set
I glanced at what my son the Saturday Morning Slug was watching. It
was Garfield. But check it out. The pig character, Orson, was playing
baseball to a parody of "Casey at the Bat." It was very clever and
even had an alternative happy ending:
   Somewhere there is laughing.
   Somewhere children shriek.
   We are now in extra innings:
   The mighty Orson's on a streak.
Did anyone else catch this? I'd love to get the rest. Bill
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Subject:      Re: never impressed
              7 Apr 1992 16:58:04 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

Yes, but I thought so then -- maybe it was those five sisters of mine
who always needed me to do the "man's work".

JAG
^bwp
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: nouns
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              15 Apr 92 13:35:00 -0600. <9204152304.AA05022@sics.se>

  The Ronin asks:

   >Then how do you withstand reading this list?  I thought that puns
   >were a requirement.

  I retaliate by being nasty to punsters whenever I can. I get sufficient
satisfaction out of this to withstand the puns.
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From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
              15 Apr 1992 19:53:05 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:53:05 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>I agree.  I don't see what I've said that is to the contrary.
>
>> well, people are not right or wrong or good or bad either by this line
>> of reasoning: their behaviour is bad, but they can find redemption, etc.
>
>I suppose you could argue that.
>
>> no. you must state how sound change can be unrelated to cultural change and
>> still hold your argument.  Oh, maybe I get it, you think that language is
>
>I'm not sure what your point is here.  As far as I know, the Great Vowel
>Shift occurred in English without any cultural catalyst.  The same could
>be said for Grimm's Law in Proto-Germanic.  The same could be said for
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the point is this is a theory not a fact of language.....as for your use of
'cultural change': I do not know what this means, could you give me an
example?

p.s. we probably agree mostly, but

>vowel raising before nasals in Southern U.S. speech this century.
>
>> Now I REALLY need to see your evidence, MOST dialects???  Who's counting?
>> Double neg's as intensifier abound in my environment, and I dare say in
>> yours...or has Mississippi been declared a non-english speaking state?
>
>Ok, let's say "in many dialects of English" if you find that more
>acceptable.  I'm not counting.

sorry to be a nitpicker, but a theory must be maintained:  dialects of English
must include far more than what ol poor Webster could ever reach and besides
people may avoid double negatives BUT WHEN THEY HEAR ONE they know it does not
mean a positive: now that's the linguistic structure kicking in.....
as far as the structure of ENglish goes webster did not change anything..
next piece of evidence?
>
>> The rarity of the occurance of INTENTIONAL change undermines your point;
>> the French Academy has been losing this battle for centuries.  Thus, why
>> bother talking about a rare and marginal phenonomenon.  You might as
>> well say language is onomatopoeic, because you can find an example or two.
>
>We seem to be going in a circle here.  You brought up the question of
>intentionality.  I replied that it was rare but possible.  You asked
>for evidence.  I agree that talking about a rare and marginal phenomenon
>isn't worth the bother.  I would not have brought it up.  You did.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
au contraire!  Now you are nitpicking; the word INTENTION is a paradigmatic
sister/brother of CAUSE, so to speak; accept responsibility for your cultural
determinism and faith in the SCIENCE OF LINGUISTICS.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:39:00 GMT
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pre-Clam Slam
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>> >                                              ECZ5EJH@UCLAMVS.BITNET
                                                         *******
>>      The host host for the clambake, I presume?
>>
>> The Ronin

>  I wish! It's the obvious choice, though! uCLAMvs. How about for Clambake '93?
>                                            ****
>                            Emily
>                            ECZ5EJH@UCLAMVS.BITNET


'93 on the West Coast!  I'll vote for that.

Jill
  (now living in California (for 3+ years), altho I'm a Hoosier by
   birth, and came by way of Denver (5 yrs))

(P.S.  Did my postings of Friday ever make it to the list - I never
 got them back thru WORDS-L, altho I did receive a receipt from the
 MCIMail gnomes?  I sent two, one answering the question about what
 I do.  Since I don't appear to get all the postings from the list,
 I'm not sure if the ones I sent got there!)

__________________________________________________

Jill Werts                 (wertsj%dialog@mci.com)
Dialog Information Services
   (...uh-oh, it's another librarian!)
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From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Letter frequencies (was Re: Gleanings (38))
Keywords: -- --- .-. ... .
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:06:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92040920082457@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Dan Lester) writes:
:I do NOT understanding the "ordering by Morse" unless it means the one
:that he developed from sort of analysis.   As a near-expert in Morse Code,
:the order is NOT strictly in order of "length" or "simplicity" of the
:characters.  Generally ones that are more frequent are shorter and simpler,
:but by no means all of them.

That's what I meant, yes.

G
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:35:46 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS

>   Ah, that's a question I'll have to think about! But you'll recall that
> I started this line of argument in response to your statement that you
> knew "as a linguist" that there was nothing wrong with changes in grammar.
> So far my only concern has been to argue that you don't know this "as
> a linguist", but on the basis of a value judgment, philosophical in
> character.

Since it's much harder to convince the non-believers of sociolinguistic
truths, I'll try a historical approach, albeit with touches of value
judgments in it.  Do you believe that the English of Jonathan Swift is
"worse" than the English of Alfred the Great?  Or to move even closer
together, do you believe that the English of Shakespeare is "worse"
than the English of Chaucer?  If your answer is no, multiply those two
examples by many thousands in the various languages of the world.
Contemporaries of both Shakespeare and Swift (and, of course, Swift
himself) bemoaned the deterioration of English.  Was it deteriorating?
Can you give an example of a language that has gotten "worse" because
of changes in grammar?  I know of no historical evidence to suggest
that a language has ever gotten "worse."  I know of thousands of examples
of changes in languages and probably hundreds of examples of cries of
woe that language was getting "worse" as a result of changes.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
              15 Apr 1992 21:16:47 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:16:47 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>> caught using a nonlinguistics term such as SLANG, well, it is nitpicking.
>> so tell me, what is slang?
>
>Is this addressed to me or to The Ronin?  I'm confused.  I'm assuming it's
>to The Ronin since he's the one who mentioned slang.  I don't think I've
>said anything about slang, although I'm not quite sure why you're calling
>it "a nonlinguistics term."
well, it certainly needs an explantion and since you seem to be
a linguist I thought you could enlighten the discussion.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
when i lived in missipoopi i done picked nits, now i pick BITs.
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought

>Another view: I'm not 100% convinced that early reading is the best thing
>in all ways.  I learned to read very early, and devoured all sorts of things.
>I think I was about eight when I read the Narnia books.  The problem was
>that my reading skills were far ahead of my other reasoning ...

This was to some extent true of me too, and in fact it created absurd
prejudices in me. I realize that what a kid finds "boring" might not
be boring for him later on, but I still have a hard time beginning on
some books. My sister was much younger when she started reading, and
I see this attitude in her too.

I don't remember my parents ever having read anything to me regularly.
In fact they were both absurdly paranoid about exposing their child to
something he might not be able to digest, and thus underestimated me
(also my sister). We both had to get literate on our own :-) I am deeply
grateful to them for that. Imagine the horror of getting exposed to all
sorts of classics and (worse) music and art and what not. Might have
developed into a manic depressive by now.

tushar
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>Glad you are unconscious, Mr. Genius.  Have a good weekend up there.

>dan

I will.

Aren't you gone yet?

Chris

P.S. Would you send me your address. I keep writing it down and then losing it.
Thanks.
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              11 Apr 92 18:24:42 +0000. <9204111726.AA15374@sics.se>

>Graham  (Jeg snakker ikke Svensk; Norsk, ja, men inte bra)

  Om du pratar dalig norska kan du ocksa prata dalig svenska! Norska och
svenska ar nastan samma sak...
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle%VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: story for the day
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Whether it be fried, stewed, fricaseed, baked, boiled, or barbequed
the chicken is the most humble, and yet most noble, of meats.  Spring
picnics with fried chicken, sweet pickle deviled eggs, warms flaky
biscuits with apple butter, crunchy, tart three bean salads, and
deliciously sweet, and bitter lemonade, eaten under the sun as the`
kids watch the baseball teams jog the bases, trade pitches, pops,
swings, grounders, and cheers.

Garcon, the check, I'm through.

-scott (huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu)
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, Jupiter University"
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Subject:      Re: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!!

Adam--
Yeah, it was the quotes.  We fixed it a few hours ago. :)  But thanx.  And
I don't trust kermit one bit, but unfortunately it's all the vax has on this
end.

--Aaron
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder
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Alec, it wasn't a personal attack.  Anyone who matters to us, either
in sport or entertainment --- it's sad when something bad happens to them.
It's just that they make a bigger deal over the loss of a popular figure
(or the potential loss) than over the thousands (??? correct
order of magnitude) of everyday people.

I felt terrible about Freddie Mercury, I grew up listening to their music...

Like I said, I was 1/2 Devil's Advocate.

Steve
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

>Yes, Tushar, his name is Jason.  Did you catch Foxtrot when he and his
>older brother were playing Young Indiana Jones?  Beautiful!

I look at these strips on and off, and besides, the first time I saw them
was about five months ago.

tushar
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>       NEVER apologize, Chris.  Before your correction, I thought you had
>       turned a *very* clever phrase.  Even the smiley seemed fully
>       appropriate.
>
>       Now I just think you screwed up.

Yeah, but Natalie had no idea what a Turning Machine was.  I assume she has
some idea of what a Turing machine is.

Anyway, I rely a lot on unconscious genius, so you can again raise your opinion
of me!

Chris
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: First Posting of Sunday

> Hey, I haven't even had coffee yet....it's making now.  I'm going to
> Memphis this afternoon till Tuesday afternoon, not setting nomail.

We should have planned another pre-clambake gathering in Memphis!
If it were for this afternoon, I would definitely show up.  I guess
it's too late now to make the plans, though.  And it would be pretty
hard for me to find time tomorrow to make it to Memphis (which is a
three-hour drive from here).  Maybe another time?

Btw, the List Angel is NOT old -- she's eight years younger than the
List Goddess.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     old, worn, not well-preserved
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              6 Apr 1992 16:27:12 -0400 from <droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU>

Don,
  Being a math major, I get enough mathematical enlightenment just
going to classes:  Jacobi method, SOR method, eigenvectors, eigenvalues,
Gaussian elimination, norms of matrices and vectors, .... :-)

Evelyn
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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In article <HAYCOCK.92Apr13084221@marley.think.com> haycock@marley.think.com
 (Anne Haycock) says:
>Ah, true Words-l selflessness.  I begin to feel redundant -- Beantown
>denizen -- too many others on *my* dot.

YOU feel redundant!  Lookit who I have to share my dot with!

--Fwp, technogeek with a words-l t-shirt.
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!

Guesseth Doc Lobstrosities Unite

> Ok, Aaron. Next guess is that your terminal itself receive the escape sequence
> to set itself to uppercase (or else you were in setup and did it accidently).
> In any case (hah, hah) if you know how to check your terminal for case
> setting,
> make sure it's lower.  Else, just log out, turn the terminal off and turn it
> back on.

     Except that the SET TERM/LOWER would have sent the appropriate
control sequence to the physical terminal as well as the logical
terminal.  Since this didn't work, either he isn't using a VT-52/Ansi
compatible terminal or he isn't having *everything* he types come out
in caps (which happens to be the case, as I just finished talking to
him over BITNET).  And if the terminal has somehow reset its power-on
setup, flipping the on/off won't work.  Isn't remote debugging fun?

The Ronin
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