HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Keep My Job!
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:05:22 GMT
Reply-To: kiki@bass.bu.edu (Keith Baccki)
Followup-To: comp.graphics
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov19.173301.3870@kpc.com> hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch) writes:
>
>    My manager has asked me to finish several projects by the end of this
>year, and they're really hard!  I told her I could do them, but now I don't
>know; they're pretty tricky.  I'm sure other people have done stuff like
>this, so why should I reinvent the wheel?  Why not use the resources of the
>net?     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	It's the AMERICAN WAY, that's why.


>    If you know computer graphics and C, I'd be grateful if you could write
>the programs I need.  The tasks also include some conversion and maintenance
>of existing code, so if you could also do that I'd be VERY grateful.  If I
>can get people on the net to help me out here, I'll be able to keep my job!

	
	Sorry, I do all my graphics with Logo on an Apple IIc. And for
my high-end work, I program QuickDraw with ThinkPascal on an old MAC...


>    Please send me your e-mail address so I can send you the project
>descriptions and you can start as soon as possible.  Again, thank you for
>helping me -- isn't usenet wonderful!?

	
	Yeah, yeah, my e-mail is:

	go@jump.in.lake.org


	Do I get a commission of any kind?


>    (By the way, I had this very same problem in school until I learned to
>use the resources of the net.  That's how I got this job, but it sure is
>HARD!  But hey, this worked for me before, why not now?).
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Steve Hollasch                                          Satire & Vitriol, Inc.
>hollasch@kpc.com


	Really Steve, what made you post this thing?????? If it's
a goof on someones previous post, please email it to me so I can
laugh harder...

Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: cl27111@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher  Lindsey)
Subject: Need fast file format...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:05:54 GMT

	What file format would you recommend for fast access?  Basically,
which one has the least conversion/decompressing for faster screen writes?
And what is the file format specification for it?

Image size is relatively unimportant in this case...

Any help would be very, well, umm... helpful!  :)

Thanks...

Christopher Lindsey -- Dept. of Landscape Architecture, Univ. of Illinois

Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,rec.humor
From: todd@kastle.com (Todd A. Scalzott)
Subject: Re: Turning Indigo monitor off when unused
Reply-To: todd@kastle.com
Organization: Kastle Development Associates, Arlington, VA, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.203357.16203@cs.wayne.edu> atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems) writes:

>   Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
>   From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
>   Summary: Is it safe?
>   Sender: usenet@cs.wayne.edu (Usenet News)
>   Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
>   Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:33:57 GMT
>
>   The Mitusbishi monitor that came with our new R4K Indigo needs such a
>   high brightness level to be readable that the glow is noticeable even
>   when the screen is blanked, which can't be a good thing in the long
>   term. Rather than twiddle with the brightness control (slow) every
>   night and morning, I was wondering, is it safe to simply leave the
>   monitor powered off when not in use?
>
Damn.  This is a tricky one.  Which model Mitsubishi monitor is it?  Some
of them have rather intricate power-down sequences.  I once had one that
had to be spun 360 degrees on its horizontal axis while chanting "I love my
monitor, I love my monitor."  I traded that one in for a less demanding
monitor that, although I couldn't turn it off, I could easily attach an UPS
power supply to.  Apparently, OSHA has issued a warning against this
particular model, stating that it has a tendency to explode after being
left off for long periods of time.  That wouldn't be so bad, except it
first sacrafices all family pets on its way out.

I guess the bottom line is, read your manual!  You never know!  Hopefully,
you won't have to do the rotation deal--it can be a strain on the limbs
with some of these 60lb monitors, causing you to require physical therapy
two or three times a week (depending on how often you DON'T spend time at
your Indigo and need to turn the monitor off).

Are you a student?  I hear discounts can be found for students at many of
the chiropractic institutes...


P.S.  I hear that some of the new-fangled models come with a contrast
knob...


(Before I get flamed, insert about a hundred smiley faces.  Okay?)

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: FREE RenderMan fod PC's!!!!
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:49:10 GMT

mh-b@minster.york.ac.uk writes:


>Do you want a FREE copy of RenderMan for a PC base? Well so do I, so if you come
>across one let me know! BUT, now that I've got youe attention I'd like some
>info on a particular topic :
[... deleted ...]

>Any chance of some help?
Not when you start your articles that way, no.
From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: What is this Grayscaling Formula called ??
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:08:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov18.180859.25901
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes

In article <6760@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>
>>Grayscale =  0.299 * Red + 0.587 * Green + 0.114 * Blue ;
>
>It is called the NTSC formula.
>
>>What are the origins or the logic behind specifying these values ?
>
>Remember you must first gamma correct the RGB values so the light
>levels are linear. Then try working around the following values

Bzzzt.  You mean so that the log luminance is linear (or near linear).

>Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project

You could use some of that training yourself...
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From: hinker@acl.lanl.gov (Paul J. Hinker)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Polygon (or point) within an arbitrary polygon
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: Paul J. Hinker <hinker@acl.lanl.gov>
Organization: Advanced Computing Lab, LANL, NM


   Let me start out by saying that I've very much enjoyed the recent
threads concerning point in a triangle and convexity of a polygon
since they both relate directly to some things I've been working on.
   
   I would like to take the point in a triangle question a step
further and ask if there is an efficient way to decide whether or not
a polygon (or point for that matter) is contained by another polygon.

   The problem goes like this :

   I have Polygon1 and Polygon2 described by their respective vertice
lists and bounding boxes and I would like to find out whether or not
Polygon1 *contains* Polygon2.  Nothing else is known about either
polygon.

   My first thought was to place a point outside Polygon1 and check to
see if a segment drawn between it and Polygon2 intersects any of the
segments that make up Polygon1.  This method is easily foiled.

   Next I thought that if I triangulated Polygon1 I could check each
of the generated triangles to see if they contained the point in
question.

   This last method seems to work well but it is very slow.  The test
is carried out many thousands (hundreds of thousands) of times.

   Thanks in advance for any pointers,

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From: manent@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: NEED INFO ON IMAGE ENHANCEMENT
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:50:06 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

PLEASE, I NEED INFORMATION OR SOURCES OF INFORMATION ON IMAGE ENHANCEMENT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO, PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE AT:

MANAENT@TITAN.KSC.NASA.GOV
OR
59228581V@SERVAX.FIU.EDU

THANKS,
DIANA MANENT
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)
Subject: Re: * viewing a .xpm file?
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:45:13 GMT
Summary: xli 1.11 should do it.

In article <BxtzC9.M1M@news.iastate.edu>, niko@iastate.edu (Nikolaus E Schuessler) writes:
> 
> I figured out how to convert a gif to a .xpm (X-pixmap file?) and wanted
> to use it as an icon under tvtwm... I can't find anything that will 
> view it. any suggestions?

	xli version 1.11 should do it. Look in /contrib on export.lcs.mit.edu
or other equivalent archive sites.

	Graeme Gill
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: acc@asterix.inescn.pt (Antonio Costa)
Subject: AutoCAD 11 AME to raytracing input scene files
Keywords: Raytracing, Modelling
Organization: CG & CAD - INESC Norte
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:21:45 GMT

Hi.

For all of you that use AutoCAD 11 Advanced Modelling Extensions (AME) software to build 3D objects, it is now possible to convert these models to a raytracer
compatible scene file format (SCN), which is used by the RTrace package (raytracer plus utilities).

That means that we can use AutoCAD 11 to create complex objects and then produce
high quality renderings with this raytracer (in UNIX, DOS or Mac machines).

To convert the 3D objects all there is to do is to install a .EXP command into AutoCAD 11 (and 12 too, I think) and then run that new command.

If anybody wants to adapt the converter to other raytracers (Rayshade, POV, etc)
I'm willing to help.

The converter code is available at asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace/scene-conv/acad (files scn.h and sol2scn.h).

Regards,
Antonio Costa.
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From: reznick@acf3.nyu.edu (Daniel Reznick)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: VOGL vs. VOGLE
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:05:24 GMT
Organization: New York University

What are the differences between VOGL and VOGLE?

I know that VOGL is meant to be a subset of the normal GL, but beyond
this, is one of the two (VOGL/VOGLE) more complete, function wise?
Does one perform better than another?

I am interested in working with one of these libraries on a PC with
Borland C++ 3.1.  Does anyone have any experience/feedback or comments
that would be pertinent to this combination?

Thanks much,

Daniel Reznick
reznick@acf3.nyu.edu
From: toepfer@du9ds4.fb9dv.uni-duisburg.de (Hansjoerg Toepfer)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: POV in Silicon Graphics workstations
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:02:06 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Duisburg GH
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds4.fb9dv.uni-duisburg.de

aron@archangel.ced.berkeley.edu (aron bonar) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone out here has compiled POV for a SGI.
>I was thinking about trying it. 

>If anyone has please post about your experiences...was it a pain to compile...etc..etc

>Thanx

>Aron

I compiled POV on an INDIGO with very little problems.
Only thing I remember was to comment out matherr stuff in xwindows.c .
It just works great on such a fast machine.

Have fun, Hanjo
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: y1@wilbur.psu.edu (Zhaohui Yang)
Subject: Wanted: Simple raw-bit image display program for DOS
Keywords: art competition, complexity, chaos, biology, computation, emergent systems
Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:35:05 GMT

Hi,

I looked through the FAQ and graphics resouce list but still get lost.  I have
a lot of raw bit images (8-bit for 256 greyscales) needed to be displayed on
PC vga monitor.  I am wondering anyone know if there EVER exsist any program
that can do this task.  I tried pbmplus but cannot figure it out how to use
the PGMMERGE.exe, it seems it can only converting among data formats.

Thanks in advance.

Yang
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: morley@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Problems with 3D studio
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.170940.1@ualr.edu>, djlewis@ualr.edu writes:

[Other article deleted]

> I don't have your answer, BUT another great loss is that 3DS won't do 
> reflective ( mirror like) surfaces. At least I havn't found the trick. ..
> djlewis@ualr.edu

Umm, 3DS 2.0 allows you to create materials that are reflective.  You can
specify the amount of "reflectivity", you can add colors or textures, or
whatever you want.  You then apply this new material to objects in your
scene just like any other material.  I've created mirrors in many of my
scenes and they work rather well.  Granted, it's still not ray-tracing,
but it's still high quality.  I believe that the manual explains how to
do this properly.

MARK
morley@camins.camosun.bc.ca
From: upbikkas@uncc.edu (Udayabhanu P Bikkasani)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Wanted: JPG to -> PS converter
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:03:29 GMT
Reply-To: upbikkas@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article 19910@fct.unl.pt, fpb@grafikus.fct.unl.pt (Fernando Pedro Birra [ps]) writes:
>William M. Bennecke (wmb@jalama.Idbsu.EDU) wrote:
>: I am looking for a program to convert file.jpg to file.ps so
>: I can print out graphics that are in jpg format.
>: 
>: Thanks
>: 
>:  
>
>	Hi, have you ever heard of xv (version 2.21) ?
>It runs under the X/Window System. I have the source 
>code if you wish.
>	It converts jpg files to ps files and a lot
>more. Please e-mail me a message if you're interested.
>Also, you could send me some jpeg files so that I can
>test them with xv.
>	I'm not sure about it, but I guess it can be
>compiled to other platforms, namely PC's.
>
>	I look forward hearing from you,
>
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you can also ftp the source from the site akiu.gw.tohoku.ac.jp and it can be found in the directory /pub/X/xv


tell me if it works

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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: CORAL (Corral?  Chorale?) -- Anyone heard of it?
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:07:27 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <27626@oasys.dt.navy.mil> poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen
Poy) writes: 

>what i think youre talking about is coreldraw.  it is a design/graphics
>package that is debatably [sp] the best of its kind on the market.

It is in the same league as adobe illustrator and suchlike fine
drawing packages. It is certainly very good.

>it only (to my knowledge) runs on pc's.  

It does run on PCs (under Windows 3.x) but is also available on
DECstation 5000 series (Ultrix), DG AViiON (some kind of unix), HP 400 and
700 (HPUX) IBM RS/6000 (AIX), Silicon graphics (Irix) or Sun
SPARCstarions (SunOS 4.x.x)

The Sun version is available in both 'Open' Look and proper Motif
versions ;-) and the other platforms use Motif.

The *nix ports were done by Prior Data Sciences

Usual disclaimers...



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From: adri@sunatb.UUCP (Adri Rijnart)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Convert CGM-files to ReGis (or Sixel), CGM specification
Summary: Need converter program, or at least spec, to display cgm on VT340
Keywords: Convert CGM REGIS
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:50:46 GMT
Organization: BSO/Automation Technology Breda B.V., The Netherlands

Dear fellownetters,

We are provided a series of pictures in "CGM" formatted files, and
have a lot of VT340 terminals for our users.

Question 1. Does any of you know a conversion program from CGM in
either "sixel" or "regis"(preferred).

Question 2. Does any of you know what how the CGM-format is spelled.

Thanks.

Adri Rijnart	adri@atb.bso.nl
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas)
Subject: Re: CIE chromaticity diagram
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:02:43 EST
Organization: University of Michigan

For a more complete explanation, find a copy of one of the following
books:
	_Illumination and Color in Computer Generated Imagery_,
	Roy Hall, Springer Verlag, 1989, ISBN 3-540-96774-5
		This has the most complete coverage, including
		C code.

	_Computer Graphics: Principles and Practice_, Foley et al,
	Addison-Wesley, 1990, ISBN 0-201-12110-7

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw (Lin Wei-Ting)
Subject: How to inverse am image?
Reply-To: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:14:01 GMT

I want to inverse a pixmap in X window.
Thanks.
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: HOW can I do a *MIRROR* Surface in 3DS2??
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:31:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <u910826.722183804@bruny>, u910826@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Louis        siuoL) writes:
> HOW HOW HOW can I do a nice mirror surface in 3DS2?
> I know how to do a reflection map but I would love to
> know how to do a mirror that reflects other objects like
> a spec <1 1 1> in POV and a shine of a couple of thousand.
> The mirrors I've tried just aren't mirrors!
> PLEASE I need Help!!!
> --
> Louis Solomon - a student at The University of Tasmania
>       e-mail: u910826@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
> 
> "If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets" - Dune

You CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T do a mirror surface in #3-d studio version 2 because
it CAN'T raytrace!!!!!!  It does casting (ray-casting?) of the objects to
determine colors but cannot reflect true ray-traced obejects or rays.
It can do a "fake-out" raytracing, where the object on the side of the ball
is "rendered as another picture" then mapped onto that side of the ball.
I forgot exaclty what that is called. (Perspective mapping?)
This is why 3ds is so fast.  If they added raytracing (I think they should
at least have a link to Renderman) it would look great but slow way down.
Most (original use) uses of 3ds was for walkthroughs of archiv
architecture.  Raytracing is just a waste of cpu time and disk space.
When you come down to it, 30 fps o
doesn't require super-raytracing.  If there was a way to only raytrace
every 5th from
frame or so (sorry for all the typos, no backspace in my vt100 emulator)
if you qcould raytrace every 5th frame or so, you could see the detail.
I don't know if this could be done or if it would even work...
(should we branch off here and discuss that idea seperately?)


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Martens Meyer)
Subject: GIF, JPG, EPS of Calvin&Hobbes??
Organization: Geomatic a.s, Norway.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:58:18 GMT

Can anybody give me directions???

  2
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From: mas4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL ANTHONY STRAUSS)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Any Good Books For Torbo Pascal 6.0
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:49:15 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I'm looking for a book that will give me code for faster 3d programs.  I need
faster routines to rotate and scale.  Thanx in advance

-STrauss
-Mas4@lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: mayer@teal.csn.org (Mike Mayer)
Subject: Re: Wanted: FAQ of this group
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:24:36 GMT

yang@mtu.edu (WHY aKs WHY) writes:
: 
: Can anybody give me directions???
: 
: PLEASE!
: 
: thanks in advance!
: 
: xy

You must have ESP.  One just came out on November 16. Look
for 'faq' in the title of the posting.  Hope it helps.

Mike4Mayer


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