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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Back To Back!
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:35:58 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

An ugly game, til the last five minutes.  Michigan just wilted under the
incredibly intense pressure from Duke.  The Indiana and Michigan games were
easily Duke's best defensive performances of the season, and although I
missed Duke's flashy transition game, it was nice to see defense, the
thing that made this team great in the first place, come to the fore.  
  Truly, this is the "no excuses" team.  Everyone on this team was injured
at one point in the season or other, except for Ron Burt and Marty Clark!
3 huge, backbreaking injuries (Hurley, G.Hill, Davis), teams giving the
Devils all that they had, the pressure of being #1 (particularly now under
the media microscope).  This is certainly not the greatest team of all time,
the most dominating, or the most spectacular, but I humbly submit that this
is the toughest team of all time.
  Now, as to next year, I see the Duke starting lineup as follows:
C Parks
F G.Hill
F Lang
G Hurley
G T.Hill
   I see Chris Collins getting many minutes off the bench, and I expect at
least 10 minutes a game from Meek as well.  Not a great big man, but his
effort is excellent. Decent post moves, doesn't turn the ball over.  He 
really needs to work on his foul shooting.  Tony Moore is somewhat of an
unknown quantity; a fabulous athelete who hasn't been playing the game 
very long, or against very good competition.  But his shot blocking and 
rebounding should be able to get him a few minutes.  Marty Clark's 
performance should merit him some more PT, but if Chris Collins plays
better defense than him, Clark could ride the pine quite a bit.  Duke
may recruit one more player for next year, especially with Christian Ast
thinking about transferring.
  I wonder what Crawford Palmer and Billy McCafferey are thinking today?
I really doubt that Duke will be preseason #1 next year (The Flab Five
probably will get it), but they'll be a solid top-10 team.  
  Threepeat!!!!
--Robert Clough
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From: "Sid Kitchel" <kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 09:52:29 -0500

jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:

>You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand why 
>Thomas choose Illinois.  But you do have to be awake.

	Personally, I would have held out for a BMW or Porsche. But
Illinois bball players seem to have a thing for Broncos. Maybe they
aren't rocket scientists either.

						--Sid


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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (Bryan S. Leudy)
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 92 15:21:05 EST
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan

>
>   He doesn't get respect because he's a poor coach.
>

Your logic defies explanation.  No coach gets to the Final Four
without recruiting OR coaching!  If your complaint is that they
don't LOOK good.  Well, I'd say that five talented freshmen look
exactly like that when they're starters in the Big 10.  Something
you'll have to suffer through for 3 years at least!!
 
    
Hmmmn-Can you say DYNASTY?  Sure you can. Filled with Spartan green envy.
 
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From: kenk@mips.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: !!PAC-10!! News You Can Use
Date: 10 Apr 1992 00:28:38 GMT
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In article <XJAM.92Apr8234056@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
>
>!!PAC-10!! coaches everywhere are rejoicing as Billy Dreher has announced
>that he is leaving Cal. Well, maybe not rejoicing...

Do they always rejoice when a player who has lost his shooting ability
leaves school?

>In any event, Dreher has left the university due to "personal reasons
>outside of basketball." Dreher gave up his last year of college eligibility
>and headed home for Grand Junction, CO. Two seasons ago, Dreher led the
>!!PAC-10!! in 3-point field goal percentage (50%) and averaged 13.2 points
>a game. This past season he didn't even get on the floor against Oregon and
>Oregon State at the end of a miserable season.

Right.  The guy couldn't shoot this year.  He couldn't hit 3's.
He couldn't hit 2's.  That's why he rode the bench.  
He had plenty of chances early in the season.

>Frankly, it appears ole' Billy was ticked about playing time. Can't see as
>how I blame him when the coach plays his own son more minutes in a blowout
>loss (cf. Stanford game at the Coliseum). And this *despite* fans repeated
>calls to bring him off the bench.

I agree with you on this point.  Kyle Campanelli would have had trouble
making water boy on any other PAC-10 team.

>That makes for two total abandonments of basketball in the past two years.
>DeShon Brown bolted off the bball team previously. And we gave Campanelli a
>contract extension! What does he have, some kind of disincentive to perform
>well? !!PAC-10!! action, ya gotta love it.

Is DeShon Brown playing B-Ball now?  Is he a star?
His main asset was his quickness.  An injury took that away from him.

Do you want Cal to stick with a non-shooting guard with a bad wheel and
a shooting guard that doesn't remember how to shoot?

It *is* a shame that these young men chose to leave Cal, but I don't
blame the coach for not playing them.

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: # 1 All Season
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:16:45 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

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In article <1992Apr13.112644.23766@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>> 
>>> 	UNLV was rated #2 the year they won the title -- Oklahoma had the honor
>>> 	of being ranked #1 (and they ended up losing in the 2nd round of the
>>> 	tourney to North Carolina).  I think the only team in the post-UCLA
>>> 	era that was ranked all season at #1 was the 1982 North Carolina Tar
>>> 	Heels, with Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc...
>>
>>
>UK was rated #1 all year in 1978 and what a drag it was, too.
>(Co-incidentally, the team UK beat in the finals was ****. And just as
>UK was beaten this year by a perfect performance, so too was **** beaten
>in '78 by a perfect performance. Jack Givens hitting one from the side
>with the ball ricocheting off the corner of the backboard...! Whoa! Katie
>bar the door. ....
>-- 
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
>You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.

I thought we'd been over this before...  Unless we were all mistaken a
few weeks ago when we were discussing this subject, the last and only
team to go through the ENTIRE season ranked #1 and then win the NCAA
Tournament was the '76 Indiana team.  (Since UCLA, of course.)

I think the confusion here is due to the fact the the '78 Kentucky team
and the '82 UNC teams were the last two to be ranked #1 GOING IN TO THE
TOURNAMENT and winning.  

Believe it or not, there's a big difference.

- Rob
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:56:52 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Isn't there any way to get this idiot off the net?
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Now is the time to write CBS.......
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:04:47 GMT


Heck, it wont take 10 minurtes & a stampe to pump a note thru your
wordprocessor to CBS and tell them to give it up.    
their address.

CBS Sports
NCAA Basketball Championship Coverage
c.o. Jeremy Handelman
51 W. 52nd Street
New York, NY 10019


and CC it to ESPN

ESPN
ESPN Plaza
Bristol, CT  06010




See y'all in the Fall,
Aloha,
Wm.
Poster of the WeeKend WacK.

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:11:26 GMT
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james.r.fehrenbacher writes:
>
>Can you think of any other college teams with 4 starters that went on
>to play in the NBA?

Several (this should be a FAQ, if we had a FAQ).
Ohio State 1960 and 1961 (5 players)
Indiana  1975-1976 (7 players in the NBA)
I don't recall the year but Mitch Kupchak, Tom LaGarde, Walter Davis,
Phil Ford, and John Kuester (briefly) all went to the NBA from North 
Carolina
and there was an Arizona St team which sent 5 players from what may
be the most underachieving team in history. I can't recall immediately
any of their names (the shooting guard for the Lakers was on that
team).
  


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Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pitino Interview on ESPN
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:16:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Apr7.011601.2265

In article <53646@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

[some stuff deleted]

> Rick said he agreed with the ref's call on the Timberlake Tap, which gave
> CL the technical but no more.   I believe he said something about making
> a greater effort next year to stay within the coaches box, but I can't
> be sure about this last (he may have said it in a radio post-game
> interview after the Duke loss).  It was 12:30 AM or so when the program
> concluded, and I wasn't at my sharpest.
> 
> When asked about Mashburn's turning pro, Rick said that, if after next
> season Jamal would be one of the top 5 picks, he would have a long 
> discussion with him about the pros and cons of coming out early.  If he
> would be a lower pick than that, Rick would advise Jamal to stay. Rick
> was extremely pleased that Shaq left so that the SEC teams wouldn't have
> to face him any more.

I've always liked Pitino.  He seems to be a class act and I *know* that
he's an outstanding coach.  I think he'll look after his players' interests.
 
> One of the reasons he left the Knicks, he claimed, was that he was 
> bothered by some of the negative press he received, particularly since
> he knew his family and friends were reading it or hearing it in the news
> media.  At Kentucky, most of the local press coverage never reaches NYC,
> so it doesn't bother him as much.

In my experience with my Italian friends, they seem to have a very
strong sense of family unity in general.  Perhaps I should say Italian-
Americans.  Anyway, I think that Pitino seems to have his priorities
in the way he likes them: Family first.  It is nice to see some coaches
who think of their families first, and not just the big bucks that can
be made by coaching basketball, college or otherwise.  This is just my
own opinion and my own experience; it is not meant to be an altruism by
any means.

Ken
 
> Several other topics were discussed, but I can't remember the specifics...
> 
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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Outrage(ous)(d) Tarkanian
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:30:50 GMT


Here's another hilarious Tarkanian anecdote no one mentioned. It shows
(once again) the low standards to which some people hold themselves
at UNLV.  It occured last month.


"An official of the U.S. Justice Department has
denied that current or former Nevada-Las Vegas
basketball players are subjects of a point-shaving
investigation."

"Published reports a month ago said federal au-
thorities were checking out rumors of possible
point-shaving by the 1990-91 defending national
champions."

"John C. Keeney, deputy assistant attorney general
with the Justice Department's criminal division in
Washington, D.C., made the comment in a letter to
Carolyn Sparks, chairwoman of the Nevada Board of
Regents."        march 14



The charges came from an unnamed source within UNLV to the Los Vegas
paper. It's hard to understand why Tark would get upset over trivial
matters such as point-shaving and gamefixing, isn't it?

john althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Duke-Michigan game: the last few minutes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:02:45 GMT

n5pph307.bnr.ca (Bill Hengeveld) writes:
>One of the purposes behind getting rid of the one-and-one after 10 fouls 
>was to shorten the last minutes of a game.  Coaches, being who they are,
>still had players foul as a 'last resort' tactic and games still ran too long.
>The talk now is to not only give the two free throws, but also get the ball
>back (in other words make it a true intentional foul) in the last 2 or 3
>minutes of a game.  This may work but my bet is that coaches will still
>figure out a way to prolong the game.  

	One rule I would favor imposing would be what international basketball
	uses.  After a team is in the bonus, when they're fouled, they can
	choose to either shoot the FTs, or take the ball out of bounds.
	That would make fouling almost useless in the end of the game.

	Jazzy J
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:43:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr8.104329.3326
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
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In article <1831@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>> Where the hell does CBS get its numbers?  Or does fudge-Packer think he
>> knows everythings and pulls that crap off the top of his head?
>
>     Fudge-Packer?  Hmmm.  I had thought
>University of Wisconsin to be a little more
>progressive than that.
>
>     Do people talk about niggers and chinks
>there too?  Just curious.

I know this is not the correct place to respond to this post (I responded
by E-Mail as well), but since I was publicly insulted, I thought a public
response was necessary.  This guy should have sent me this thing by E-mail
in the first place; it is obvious that his only intent was to get my goat.
Well, he succeeded.

First of all, I apoligize to any queer people I offended by this post (and
Ralph, the gays and lesbians in Madison use the word "queer" to describe
themselves now, as a catch-all term, so don't flame me for that).  I did
not intend to insult anybody this post, save for Billy Packer.  The term
"fudge-Packer" was describing the fact that he brown-noses people so much
that... well, you get the idea.

Secondly, and this has nothing to do with this newsgroup, a fudge-packer
could describe a guy doing a gal, so it isn't even a specific homosexual
term.  As I say all the time on this newsgroup, give me a break.

Now I know how Bob Knight feels sometimes.
-- 

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From: hartigse@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-IU--the problem with basketball
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:21:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Just my thoughts on the officiating of the IU/Duke game.
Many of you know that I am a huge IU fan and probably expect
me to bash the refs and blame the game on their officiating.
The refereeing was HORRIBLE!!  However, I don`t think it 
really favored either team.  It was kind of appropriate that
not more than 20 seconds into the game they called a charge
on Hill (?).  It was a pretty shitty call.  But I have to 
agree with the CBS announcers on the fact that they called
that a charge all game.  The second half was even worse than
the first.  At one point, Indiana had seven fouls called on ^
them and Duke only one.  No matter how clean a team is playing,
it should never be that uneven.  

  Indiana lost the game on their own bad play and break-
downs.  Officiating is something a good team can play
around.  They didn`t.....They lost.  

  Hope to see them in the FF next year.  Could be their best
one yet.

BTW, who else was completely surpised by Todd Leary?  I watched
every IU game this year and got to know him as pretty much of a
stiff.  I`m already looking forward to seeing him next year in
a playing role.  If I remember correctly, he was recruited by IU
in an attempt to solidify getting Eric Montross.  They were high
school teammates and best friends.  He could end up meaning more
to IU`s program than Montross does to N.C.  How`s that for irony?

Over and Out.  See Y`all next season.
_______________________________________________________

Scott E. Hartig
Purdue University Schools of Engineering
West Lafayette, IN


"The sum of the world's intelligence is a constant.....
                ....the population is growing"       

                        -H.L Mencken


GO HOOSIERS!!!!!

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:47:25 GMT

abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen) writes:
>     Wait, hold on here.  I know this was mentioned a few weeks ago, but 
>some people seem to have a short memory.  Look at Iowa's 87 team and compare
>the number of people played in the NBA and CBA to the number of people from
>Illinois's 89 team who have played professionally.  You with find many more
>from Iowa.  I guess Iowa gets no talent :)

	Hmm... let's look at it from a numbers standpoint.  The list of 
	Illini players from the '89 team had already been listed -- here's
	an Iowa list off the top of my head:

	Roy Marble -- #1 pick of the Atlanta Hawks; kicked out for drugs
	BJ Armstrong - #1 pick of the Chicago Bulls; key reserve
	Ed Horton -- played for Washington Bullets; in Italy?
	Kevin Gamble -- plays for the Boston Celtics; starter
	Brad Lohaus -- plays for the Milwaukee Bucks; sometime starter/reserve
	Bill Jones -- played for the New Jersey Nets; CBA?
	Les Jepsen -- plays for the Sacramento Kings; benchwarmer/project
	
	Actually, here's yet another team where all 5 of its starters (Marble,
	Armstrong, Horton, Gamble, Lohaus) made it to the NBA.  Anyways, the
	'89 Illini team had NBA players in Battle, Anderson, Gill, and Bardo.
	Smith in the CBA.  Since the Iowa players don't really have anyone who
	can match up to the rising stardom of Anderson & Gill, I'd have to
	call it even between these 2 teams in terms of talent.

>     Another point.  For over a year people keep saying that Lou Henson can
>only succeed with many talented players.  Look at the 84-85 team.  This team
>made it to the regional finals were I believe they lost to Kentucky.  This
>was a team with players like Bruce Douglas, Efrem Winters, Dougie Altenburger.
>You know, all those well-known NBA players/

	However, all those guys were big-time high school players who were
	expected to do it in college.  Winters was a BIG time recruit out of
	Chicago.  Anyways, just because one was great out of HS -- it doesn't
	necessarily translate into pro success -- as it has been highly
	documented.
		
	(Actually, Douglas and Winters did appear briefly in the NBA; Douglas
	with the Sacramento Kings for a few games, and Winters with the Detroit
	Pistons for a game or two.)

	Jazzy J
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From: klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark Bishop)
Subject: Enjoy the off season
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:17:28 GMT

From: klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball-college
Subject: The verdict is in, stop whining
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There are many of you who will continue to bitch because Duke won.  You will
blame it on the refs, on Michigan, on the wind inside the Metrodome, and
on the alignment of the planets in our solar system.

But while you sit there and complain because you can't handle defeat, all
I have to say is one thing:

DUKE: REPEAT NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

You guys can chew on that one for the next couple months.  That should give
you plenty of time to think up more excuses and come up with more bullshit
about how Duke sucks.

Enjoy the off season.  I sure will, while I wear my "Duke: National
Champions" t-shirt.  One just like the one I got LAST year.

Adios, baby.




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