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From: childers@cse.unl.edu (scott childers)
Subject: Rosters?
Keywords: rosters update
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:31:33 GMT

    Just wondering if any one could post an updated roster of all the teams
(with all the major trades & rookie signings)  I've been stuck doing projects
instead of keeping up with the teams!

Post or e-mail I frequent both places.

Thanx!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: simunition
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:33:28 GMT

>The latest Special Duty (aka US Cavalry) catalog lists Simunition in .38 Spc for$59.95/100. US Cav can be contacted at:
>
>1-800-333-5102
>US Cavalry
>2855 Centennial Ave.
>Radcliff, KY 40160-9000
>
they also stock some neat gear and have good deals on camos. service is
very good, although shopping around on items that are not nmatch priced
or on sale might get them cheaper.


cu
-pete



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From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: TIPPMANN   PRO/AM   TIPS
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:16:16 GMT
Organization: BBS



Wazzup!

     Hey guys (and gals), I've just ordered a Pro/Am from  SKAN-LINE and am
expecting it this Friday or next Thursday.  If anybody else out there has one
or is well familiar with it... got any tips? I'm asking for any tips or tricks
to make it shoot straighter and operate smoother. Also, any maintenance or
From: glcutshall@acs.harding.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: paintball magazine?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:53:15 GMT
Reply-To: glcutshall@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

Can anyone give me the address to subscribe to paintball magazine? I am also looking for some suppliers: guns and ammo etc.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: paintguns for sale
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:45:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


91 Series Bushmaster Deluxe
comes with a 14" micro honed detachable barrel
ASA, ThunderPig spring kit (4 front and 4 back springs)

$175

PMI-1 Cooper-T IMP converted semi-auto
$150

( 7 oz constant air tank for the Bushmaster $40 and $45 for 7 oz SIphon tank
for the IMP)


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From: jaiken@zeus.calpoly.edu (Abdual McClamwacker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Another question..
Summary: What is a good gun to buy?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:17:08 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I was also wondering what would be a good gun to buy if this semi is not
what I believe it is cracked up to be?  I have about $300-350 smackers max
that I wanna spend on a nice gun, somthing that although I am a newbie to
this game will last me till I become intermediate and expert (if I ever get
there) something that will last me and is a good quality gun..
From: christos@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (No Soul)
Subject: Carter stock gun
Summary: Is Carter Gun any good, how many stock players?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: stock
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:26:13 GMT


I've got a couple of questions...

One, has anyone gotten their hands on the Carter stock gun?  I've seen
two out on the field that I play at (S.C. Village in Corona), and the
lady I spoke to that used the Carter is from Unique Sporting.  She thought
that it was the best stock gun around...  However, I'm pretty sure she
got it as a gift(possibly from her husband) so I'm not real sure how
partial she was.  I know that the gun is very nice looking, but all that
shiny aluminum (I think it's aluminum) may not hide a very fine gun.

Two, how many stock players do we have out there?  By "stock" players I
mean those who use pump guns without gravity feeders or bulk loaders...
ie 20 shots or less, in a chamber in-line with the firing barrel of the gun.
Also, the stock gun only uses 12 gram CO2's.

My friends and I started playing a little over a year ago, and we have chosen
stock play for several reasons.  One, it's much less expensive for the
newbie, since newbies tend to spray with semis and autotriggers, or even
guns with the faster loading gravity feeders.  Two, we've grown to enjoy
the strategy involved in a stock game.  Also, how many fields out there
divide between stock and modified?  As far as I've heard, S.C. Village is
one of the only ones.  Over the summer, they even set up a seven-man stock
amateur tourney.  (Unfortunately my friends and I have weekend oriented
jobs, and were unable to join... Plus we would've been worked!  :-} )

Thanks for your replies!

Chris Steele
From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Black Rain conversion
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:58:50 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello Douglas!

In a message of <Tuesday October 06 1992>, Douglas John Seman (1:143/8) writes:

 DJS>    Stupid me lost the phone number to Monsters of the Game,
 DJS> the makers of the Black Rain conversion kit.  I'd like to
 DJS> talk to them and can't find the number.  Could some helpful
 DJS> soul pleas post the number here again, or email me.

Black Rain is manufactured by Air America in Illinois.  Their phone number is 708-998-8311.  The cost is $179 and you have to send your gun in to them to modify unless you know a reliable smith.  But 1500-1800 rounds out of a 20oz bottle might make it all worth it!  They just gave me those specs based on their own testing.  They say they averaged 70-80 balls per oz.

Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney
Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!


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From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <84408@bcsaic.boeing.com>, tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma) writes:

<deleted text>
> position.  I wasn't going to stand up and give away my position so I
> decided to guess where his body might be and lay down a 6-8 round burst
> which probably took 1 second to do in order to cut through the brush.
> 
> Now this guy gets pissed and claims that I fired him up!  He claimed
> that he got 6 shots to his mask and he called out on the first one.
<deleted text>

If you hit him with all shots (5-6) I'd say he had a reason for being
angry. If you could put 6-shot burst into him in one second (about), you
probably could have taken him out with a 2-3 shot burst (which in my
experience generally is accepted in games which allow semis).

As for him being pissed off after the game, after receiving a sincere
apology - that's bad sportsmanship on his part. However, put yourself in
his shoes, if he actually thought you meant to spray him ...

Being angry when taken out in a game however, overkill or not, is a
pretty normal reaction ...

Mike


  'REVENGE IS THE ONE THING THAT SETS HUMANS APART FROM THE ANIMALS'
                                                       - Al Bundy -
From: slphb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: SHOOT YOUR FRIENDS!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:08:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

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    To:	All people wanting something to do this weekend other
	than sit in your apartment trying to figure out why
	anyone would want to kill Bambi, and anyone else who
	would like a good time hunting those types of people
	not hunting Bambi.


	GET A REAL SPORT!!  Bambi doesn't have a gun, but I do!
	If you want real excitement hunting semi-intelligent
	humanoids like yourself, give us a call at 752-5524 and
	ask for Gary.  We have a playing field to play on and
	can schedule groups of up to 15 people and as low as
	single players.  The rates are:

		Gun Rental   $14.00
		Mask Rental    3.00
		Paint Balls    0.07 each
		C02 (7oz.)     0.75

	There is also a package deal for $16.50 which includes:
	
		20 Paint Balls
		1 7oz. bottle of CO2
		1 PMI Tracer Rifle
		1 Scott Face Mask

	Call today to reserve your place.  Or E-mail us a message
	on the Vax system to SL29Q.

Trystain
From: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Get off the Combat  Thing
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:48:47 GMT
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 13 Oct 92 05:14:34 GMT, ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose) said:

> 	On the note of the Ironmen's combat techniques being borrowed from
> anything I beg to differ, none of us have ever received any military
> training, 
I think you've missed the point here somewhat. The important thing is not 
whether or not you copied your tactics from the military, but the fact that
they are the same sort of tactics used by the military. And to a large extent
they are.

> and I think that the utilization of military tactics are what
> kill a lot of teams. 
Yes and no. A lot of military training is applicable (and useful) to paintball,
but there are quite a few subtle changes that can get you killed if you're not
aware of them.

> The fact that everyone on our team can think
> instead of having 99% mindless pawns as in military stategy sets us eons
> ahead of any war this country has fought since the Revolution. 
I suspect your thinking in terms of large battles. Once you move to squad
level battles, then it is every bit as important (more so) to have a good team,
and to suggest that such teams don't exist is pretty silly.

> Besides
> all our stratagies were originated out of playing Paintball every week
> and whether or not they bare some likeness to something done in the past
> or present by the military is indeed irrelevent.
No it isn't, not when the discussion is whether or not paintball bears a strong
resemblance to real combat.


> Just like it would be
> out of place and would cast the wrong impression if people posted their
> sexual fantasies on this board.

Bzzzzt, error. It is appropriate for people to post any article to this group
that they feel is appropriate to the charter of this group. I can certainly
see a lot more likelihood of a combat story fitting that bill than I can of
someone's sexual fantasies.

Kev
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: lip@rintintin.Colorado.EDU ()
Subject: Guns
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:41:11 GMT

I was wonder if any of you pros can answer this:

What paint gun has the fewest moving parts?

I don't know too much about how the paintgun works, I just use 'em.

Paul Li
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From: jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour)
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Organization: Medar, Inc.     Farmington Hills, MI
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:38:13 GMT

In article <84968@bcsaic.boeing.com> tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma) writes:
>As the initiator of this topic "Reasonable rate of fire"  I would like
>to interject at this time that this sport is lacking in clearly defined
>rules of conduct.

Then you've been playing a fields with incompetent
management.  Every field I've played at strongly discourages
"lighting up" opposing players, especially newbies.  They
also strongly discourage shooting at close ranges (< 20').
For the second offense especially, the offending player can
be ejected from a game if the action is judged unjustified.
(Not giving a chance to surrender.)

>                   As Henry Chan (I believe) pointed out, fighting
>breaks out when an individual feels that they have been violated by
>excessive hits or overly aggressive firing.

While "lighting up" a player should certainly be
discouraged, it happens.  Any player that can't handle it
without losing control shouldn't be playing the game.
Secondly, physical contact of any type is strictly
prohibited.  Any player guilty of this should be
ejected from the *facility* immediately.  Perhaps
permanently.  At the fields I play at even verbal abuse is
not tolerated and can result in, at the least, ejection from
a game.

>                                             This behavior (taking to
>violence) can easily escalate to real Shooting as I know many paintball
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>players are also handgun hobbiests. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

This comment, IMHO, is irresponsible and offensive.  Being a
firearms hobbyist myself, and knowing many others, and
knowing my and their attitude about the responsible use of
firearms, it is unjustified.  Secondly, no responsible judge
or referee would knowingly allow a player on the field with
a firearm - and should one get on the field with a firearm,
would eject him/her pronto.

[remainder deleted]

>Thanks--ront

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: military surplus
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:26:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.090130.23948@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.162740.25881@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> toblackstock@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
>>Following on some of the comments concerning military surplus, I would
>>like to find some new sources for military gear, especialy obscure
>>and foreign surplus.  Sure, US Cav and MASS are great places, but
>>you can't find Swiss, Italian, Spanish, etc. surplus there.  It's nice
>
>swiss military surplus is impossible to get.
>
er, camos is. other stuff, like tanks, planes and knives no problem...


btw, anyone have an address, fax or non 800 number for DRACO?

cu
-pete




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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Reasonable rate of fire??
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:31:06 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Saturday October 10 1992 19:45, Jim Foster wrote to All:

 >> What's wrong with being lit up?
 >> Could someone describe why it is such a terrible thing for me?

 JF> While not painful (for me, anyhow) the impact of a paintball is
 JF> definitely irritating.....mostly though, I think it's a psychological
 JF> phenomenon. First, it's moderately embarrassing. Secondly, it's
 JF> generally viewed as the mark of someone who is 'trigger happy' or enjoys
 JF> inflicting pain on others; the logic being if you can see someone long
 JF> ehough to tag them with multiple shots, a round or two would have
 JF> sufficed.

I never try to fire more balls than necessary, but just as in actual combat,
one is seldom enough. Having done time with an M16 with live ball ammo in the
magazine, I can vouch for the fact that at times, you just HAVE to spray
because you don't have an exact fix on a sniper and you either get his head
down or take a round in yours.

I have gotten 6-8 balls in the air in a column many times before ball one
struck my opponent, using a plain old PMI-3, which is no firing rate demon.
Usually when I want to move and there isn't a lot of cover along my route
of movement. The fact balls 2,4, and 6 also hit the opponent is just the
way it goes. I won't shoot someone up close, or clearly out, or under paint-
check, but I'm not out there to "maybe" mark someone. If it takes a 6 ball
burst to do it, thats what it takes. If all 6 hit, thats the breaks. If its
a choice between waiting 3 minutes to get the perfect single ball shot (and
hope the ball doesn't hook or slice and miss the mark by 6 feet) or unload
20 rounds and get one through the branches and hit a loader or something, I'll
take the latter, so that I can move on with the game. If I can flank easily
and do it with one or two balls, I will. Theres a place for both kinds of
fire, no?

Anyway, its the one-ball hits that hurt the most in my experience, especially
the ones that just graze and don't break. They sting like the dickens some-
times. But I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for people who complain about
getting hit multiple times, if the shooter quit shooting once they called out
the hit. Thats the game: mark the opponent. If you want to play badminton,
play badminton. :-)

John

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Another question..
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:28:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct13.181708.197307@zeus.calpoly.edu> jaiken@zeus.calpoly.edu (Abdual McClamwacker) writes:
>I was also wondering what would be a good gun to buy if this semi is not
>what I believe it is cracked up to be?  I have about $300-350 smackers max

If you know nothing about paintguns, especially semis, ask questions and see
if you can beg, borrow, rent the semis you are considering buying before
putting down your money.  That Brass Eagle Poison looks really nice in the
ad until you bring it home and discover its only good for as a doorstop.

For $300-350 range, there are quite a few quaility semi-autos availible.
The Pro-Am (comes fully equipped), F-1 illustrator, PMI-3.  If you want the
cheapest price call DRACO.  I've been able to make some comparisons on the
wholesale level and can verify DRACO's claim (usually 10% above wholesale).
From what I see, the only people who are making any money would probably be
the manufacturers.  The profit margins on guns for the competitive retailer
is surprisingly thin.  For this reason I try to buy from my local stores, when
I can afford it.

>this game will last me till I become intermediate and expert (if I ever get
>there) something that will last me and is a good quality gun..

Check out the Tippmann line of paintguns ranging from pump actions to state of
the art Semi-Autos.  They have THE BEST service warranty and support.  They
literally hand-hold you if something goes wrong with your gun.

-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Guns
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:49:33 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct13.184111.3853@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lip@rintintin.Colorado.EDU () writes:
>I was wonder if any of you pros can answer this:
>
>What paint gun has the fewest moving parts?
>
Answer:  The one that doesn't work.  (^-^)

Seriously I consider the Nelson one of the simplest.

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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: porterg@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Semi-auto for $300 or so...
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:44:13 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia


For $300, I still have to recommend the PMI-3.

Points to note:
It's built like a tank.
It's frontheavy as hell in the normal configuration.
Just plain forget about using it in the winter.

However, you can get them down in the $270 range, which gives you 
breathing room for stuff like a back bottle, large hopper, extra CO2, etc.

I've had mine for a year, and I *like* it.

Greg Porter
aka The Human Target
From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Get Off the combat thing.
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:32:07 GMT
	<1992Oct13.230158.1042@selway.umt.edu>
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey,
    Among the comments that I would like to make, about the great
response I received on my last post the one that I will make is that the
one comment by Dave Ysidro on the 13th was by far the most cerebral.

        P.S:  I would like to say that alot of the points made for and
agaist my view are valid and it is good to see people thinking and being
passionate out there.
        P.P.S:  I did not mean to make the sacrifice that soldiers make
insignificant only to point out that the people that command them often
decide who is and who isn't by looking at a piece of paper or even
worse... a check.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb)
Subject: New Field
Keywords: Huntsville
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:24:52 GMT


Sorry to post this world wide but I caught some posts requesting
prices.    


Paintball South in Huntsville Alabama is opening a new field.

The grand opening prices are the following:

$5.00 equipment rental (pump with CA and 100 loader)
$6.00 for 100 rounds of paint                       


This all goes down Oct. 31st. at 9AM

Call Debbie at 830-1319 for reservations or info


KOLB
                                             RECON SOUTH
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Get Off the combat thing.
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:46:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <YeqG=fa00iUx44o54X@andrew.cmu.edu>, ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander
Franklin Rose) writes:
>
>   Please refrain from comparing our sport to actual combat the two are
>completely unrelated.
>    I have attended every anti war demonstration that I am able and been
>arrested for it several times.  I am also on one of the best teams to
>ever grace grace our sport.  This however could never get me aim a real
>gun at anyone.  Better a good run than a bad fight.  And I have never
>seen a good one.
>    You will probably call me an un American pansie, liberal, commie,
>but I love this country and I love this sport, and it is attitudes such
>as the ones posted on this board that are standing in the way of this
>sport and major corperate sponsorship.
>    My team was given shoes by Nike but could not wear the patch or
>advertize outside of word of mouth due to their support of the anti
>handgun lobby.
>    Think about it...Keep your war stories on the war stories billboard.
>
>        Zander of the Ironmen
>
I agree that paintball and actual combat are unrelated. What I don't agree
with is anyone trying to dictate their views or feelings to others on a
PUBLIC NETWORK. Anyone should express themselves in any fashion they so
choose (Freeedom of Speech). That is why I served my country voluntarily.

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