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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:34:37 GMT
Reply-To: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

A parent (who works):
|> >>a. A happy, fulfilled person makes a better role model and
|> >>   a terrific parent.
|> >>b. A child needs to learn that the whole world does not
|> >>   revolve around them.  His/her needs are very important, but
|> >>   they do not COMPLETELY take precedence over other people's.

Another parent (who presumably stays home):
|> I think you need to take some Child Psychology courses, b/c obviously,
|> you don't understand at all the developmental stages your son is
|> going through.

This is _exactly_ the kind of nastiness that we ought to be
avoiding---it seems to be based on the premise that "I analyzed the
situation, came up with a particular choice, and anyone who doesn't
come up with the same choice has something wrong with them."

People have children for a variety of reasons, including that it's the
'next natural step' in their lives.  For some people, that next
natural step includes one parent quitting work and staying home
full-time.  For others, it means one or both parents cutting back to
some sort of part-time status.  And for yet others, it means both
people continue to work full-time.

How can we say, as several people have:
--If you don't want to stay home with your children, don't have any
--If your career is important to you, don't have any children
--If you don't want to make financial sacrifices for 3-5 years,
  don't have children 

Each family makes their own decisions as to what they feel is best for
their children.  Some of those decisions are based on financial
criteria: "if we don't both work, we can't pay the mortgage".  Some of
those decisions are based on the emotional needs of the parents: "if I
stay home, I will go crazy (or be unhappy)".  

When looking at another's situation,it is really easy to say "I would
(or would not) have done that, but you aren't in their
situation--you're on the outside looking in, and you really don't have
any way of knowing what you'd do in their situation.  

One more thing, although it's a weird personal anecdote: my parents
divorced when my brothers and I were young (2, 4, 5,7), and my mother
worked after that time.  During a period when one of my brothers was
ill, she was unemployed for close to a year--and I thought it very odd
that she would _choose_ to stay home.  I couldn't understand _why_ she
(or any other woman) would want to, and it's taken me a while to break
away from the idea that there's something wrong/lazy/boring about
women who want to stay home with their children.

(And to the parent who said that "I feel lucky YOU wren't my parents",
and "I wouldn't be surprised if he grows up resenting the fact that there
was something more important in your lives than him, as well as envying
other children for their parents"  and "I just think you need to
take a step back and look at your priorities", I hope you use kinder
words to your children--and are more understanding of _their_ views)

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: paula@prc.unisys.com (Paula Matuszek)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:23:45 GMT
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA

In article <1992Apr06.141556.22851@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>
>What about those of us who won't be given a choice?  My husband and I
>were August and September babies and started school the year we turned
>five (and did pretty good, I think).  My daughter was born Aug 9, and if
>she continues at the pace she's at now, she will be more than ready for
>kindergarten when she turns five.  But Ohio is considering changing the
>cutoff to August 1.  I think the idea of a cutoff date is stupid - if
>they're ready, let them go.  If they're not ready, wait a year.  Like
>Paula said, it (ought to) always depend on the child, not his birthdate.
>


Yeah, frustrating, isn't it?

Many (all?) states are set up so that local schools get a lot of their
funding based on a "head count" of children enrolled in the school.
But typically the children have to meet state guidelines.  These
normally include a minumum age, except for children with identified
special needs.  This makes many schools pretty reluctant to enroll
kinds outside those guidelines.

So if you have a bright four year old whose birthday is a week after
the cutoff, and who you're convinced is READY for kgn, you generally
have three choices: try to persuade the schools anyhow, try to get
your child formally identified as "gifted" and therefore as special
need, or private kindergarten.  The last often also means private
first grade, but by second grade it's usually no longer an issue.

Or move to a state with a different cutoff :-)

--Paula
  paula@prc.unisys.com
From: kdavis@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kris Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New Members of Misc.Kids
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:08:57 GMT
Reply-To: kdavis@cipc1.UUCP (Kris Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Credit Corp. - Dayton, OH

Allow me to introduce ourselves:

Kris Davis & Joe Davis (Mommy & Daddy)

and

Joseph Ryan Davis  DOB  September 20, 1982

Brandon James Bauman   DOB  February 29, 1992  (Leap Year Baby!)
From: dwightg@Autodesk.COM (Dwight Gleason)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Little Rabbit Foo-Foo: words wanted
Keywords: song
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:43:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <1992Apr4.052320.8902@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smorine@isis.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine) writes:
>Does anyone know the words to Little Rabbit Foo-Foo?
>

Well, since I'm probably the one of very few adult readers of misc.kids
that still goes to summer camp, (maybe I`m the only one), I have our
version fresh in my memory.

The way we sing it at Gunning Creek Adventurs summer camp is:

   Little Rabbit Fru-Fru
   Running throught the forest,
   Scoopin` up the field mice,
   And bangin` `em on the head!
   
   Down came the good fairy, and she said:
   
   Little Rabbit Fru-Fru, I don't want to see you,
   Running throught the forest,
   Scoopin` up the field mice,
   And bangin` `em on the head!
   
   Now I'll give you two more chances,
   And if you,
   Don't obey me,
   I'll turn you,
   Into a goon!           (The word good is stretched out.  (Sustained?))
   
   So the next day...

   (Repeat, this time giving one more chance.)
   (Repeat to `Down came the good fairy, and she said:` then say:

   Little Rabbit Fru-Fru, I gave you three chances,
   And you,
   Didn't obey me,
   So I'm gonna turn you,
   Into a go-oo-o-o-o-o-o-on!

   And the moral of the story is HARE today GOON tommorrow!!!!!
 
Whew!  It sure has been fun for me to see these different version of
old camp favorites.  I`m going to be able to add the verse about the
milkshakes to the `Raindrops where Gumdrops` song.

dwightg@autodesk.com   (Dwight Gleason)
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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Side effects of pregnancy (was Re: more on gestational age)
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:19:39 GMT
	<lamping.703024783@navarro>
Organization: Sylvan Associates


   cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman) writes:

   >> mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Mylene Pijpers) writes:
   >> |> I was advised not to drive during my last 6 weeks. 
   >> |> Because the pregnancy affects your reaction-time. 
   >> |> This is very important when you drive a car, less important when
   >> |> you ride a bicycle, but certainly something to keep in mind.
   >> 
   >6 weeks! What did you do? How did you get to work?

Well, I didn't work, but I also noticed that I wasn't driving very
well during the last trimester (or more) of my pregnancy AT NIGHT. My
less good driving skills became evident when I drove at night, and I
simply wouldn't go out at night unless someone could drive me. I would
think it would also be important when riding a bike, especially near
cars. :-(

Quite frankly, my husband became my evening chauffer during that time
- or I would ask around for other people to give me a lift to where I
wanted/needed to go. I also watched myself very carefully daytime
driving - being sure to leave extra room between the car in front of
me and my car, etc. Driving was difficult - it was like being a
beginner again for all the effort I had to put in to drive 'well'. If
I didn't pay attention to keeping the car between the lines, I would
go over them. Pretty scary.

So, pregnant moms, just be very careful when you drive, and if it
seems to you like you aren't driving as well as you should be - get
people to give you a ride, or find public transit -- you and the
baby's safety is more important than driving.

-- 
Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 2.6 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory <born 2/28/92>)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
children become humane and strong."

             - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: melissa@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Melissa Probst)
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:13:47 GMT

In article <tsrjdfp.valentin@netcom.com> valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.155520.22401@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
>lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>>
>>Yes! Another offensive post by Eric Lee Green. It seems like whenever I see
>>his name on a post I can expect it to be mean spirited. In the last few weeks
>>...
>>Am I alone in feeling this way?
>
>I have no doubt that you are not the only one, but I certainly hope that you
>are in the underwhelming minoroty.
>
No I believe she is in the overwhelming majority.  After all most of the
people who post and read this newsgroup are Parents who are discussing
issues dealing with children and parenting.

>Eric Lee Green on the other hand is breath of fresh air, as he seems the only
>one on the net to exclude his personal superficial perceptions, and submit
>opinions that can be summerized by
>
You have got to be kidding us.  Eric is a breath of fresh air?!  He is
one of the most obnoxious posters I have ever read.  I agree with
Laura,  I would not want him teaching my children.

Melissa
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Melissa Probst
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
4800 Oak Grove 301-250D
Pasadena, CA 91109

email: melissa@spanky.jpl.nasa.gov
From: shy@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (susan.hallander)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names wanted for my baby
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:32:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.001437.2594@athena.mit.edu> hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon) writes:
>HELP: baby due - no names.  Netters may have more original names than 
>the general public or the books. 
>
>List your favorites.  No Annes, Johns please. 
>
>The grand prize winner will receive a picture of the wrinkled child shortly 
>after the birth.
>
>Thanks to all - henry and leah 
>--
>Henry Kon
>617-253-2781
>hkon@athena

Give us a clue! Do you like long names, gender non-specific names,
names from a certain country?? I think you need to narrow it down a little.

Susan Hallander
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Subject: Re: Names wanted for my baby
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:39:52 GMT

>In <3572@rosie.NeXT.COM> szakhour@next.com (Sharon Zakhour) writes:
>
>>We've been considering this one name but, although my husband likes it, I'm  
>>still on the fence:
>
>>Zenon Antun Zakhour
>

Hey! I like the sound of this name too. 
Isn't Zenon one of the noble gases like Neon, or is that Xenon?
Anyhow, my adorable spouse said "It sounds like a girl's name."  
Then he proposed the name Vernon.  I'm going to have to work on 
him, I can tell.

Laura Watson

P.S. Thanks to everybody who has sent name suggestions so far.  

P.P.S. If you didn't get an e-mail reply from me, please don't be
offended, it's because my e-mail (uniplex, <bleagh>) is all fouled 
up and stripped off all the headers including the "From:" line.  
It tells me that everything is from 'nuucp' and tries to reply to 
'nuucp'.  If you signed your name at the bottom of your message, and 
put your e-mail address at the bottom too, your chances of getting 
a reply are much higher.  
-- 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names wanted for my baby
Summary: 
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From: sgauch@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Siblings in Daycare
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:19:34 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University
Originator: gauchj@hatteras

We have 2 children (Laura 3 years, Brian 3 months) who are cared for
at home by a live-in nanny.  If people have questions about what that's like,
I'd be happy to post/talk about it over email.  One question that I
have about institutional daycare that I haven't seen discussed is the
effects it has on sibling's ties.  Laura is very fond of Brian, and although
they spend part of their day apart they do spend a lot of time together.
If they were in daycare, they would be in different rooms, separated by
age.  Has anyone done a study on whether this weakens the ties between
siblings?  Of course, it could be a benefit - they might fight less
and learn to appreciate their time together more!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: HF.JXB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Judith Bodo)
Subject: Re: Headaches in pre-pubescent girl
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:19:22 GMT

>    An explanation could be that this is due to her approaching menarche, however.
>    If so, perhaps the headaches will stop when she starts menstruating.
>
>    We'd appreciate any advice, observations, or war stories.  (We do indeed
>    intend to seek medical advice.)  Thanks!
>
>I've suffered from migraines since I was twelve.  My biggest regret is
>that no attempt was made at the time to provide medicine to prevent
>or at least reduce the pain and nausea.  I think the pain is very
>hard on a young person,  who is in a poor position to understand
>what is happening,  it is still difficult for me,  at times,  as a
>full grown man.

I've suffered from migraine headaches since I was about 11-12
myself, but it seemed to running in a family, going back at least 4
generations that we know, at least. We all have low blood pressures
and some doctors think, it is one of it's causes. Since this problem
was almost ongoing, I have done all the reading and studying I could
at that time.... but there are no easy answers or help. And I have
experimented over the last 20 years, with various pills, diets,
starvation (just brief days!), eliminating certain foods, etc. At
times, it feels that even the weather patterns affects my head:
regular M.D.'s just smile at this.... I tried hot shower and cold
ones, at times some of these techniques actually helped, or maybe
the pain would have stopped on it's own.  There are periods and
seasons, when I get them almost non-stop, day and night; it can be
very debilitating and tiring.

Here come the good part. Since in some cases, migraines are traced
back to some circulation problems in the brain, INDERAL (propanolol)
a heart regulator, seems to have a normalizing effect on the blood
floow in the brain as well. I my case it worked wonders, the lowest
possible dose, taken once a day, every day. This is my third months
and have NO HEADACHE, it is an absolute bliss, especially
considering that 3 weeks prior to taking it, I had a long bout of
day/nighters! There are no side effects, other than a lowering of
the blood pressure, which, needless to say I did not need, but...
So, if anyone used up all the available hopes, talk to your doctor.
Inderal is not a pain killer, it help treat an underlying problem,
which in some people could cause headaches.

Judith
P.S. No, I do not have a share in INDERAL, but soon I'll wish I
would have...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Silly/Fun Songs
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:59:34 GMT


On the topic of silly songs, my daughter loved this when she was 2.
We even videotaped the girls singing it (melt, melt).   They learned
it from the Wee Sing Silly Songs audio cassette/songbook (a real
favorite in our house).  


She sailed away on a sunny summer day,     (Place one hand on top of other
on the back of a crocodile.                 and make sailing motion)
"You see," said she,                       (Wag index finger)
"He's as tame as he can be.                (Stroke back of hand with other hand)
I'll ride him down the Nile."              (Make sailing motion)

The croc winked his eye                    (Wink eye)
as she bade them all goodbye,              (Wave goodbye)
wearing a happy smile.                     (Push up corners of mouth)

At the end of the ride,                    (Make sailing motion)
the lady was inside                        (Pat stomach)
and the smile was on the crocodile.        (Push up corners of mouth)

Disclaimer: I am in no way connected to Wee Sing, other than to be heartily
sick of it all!

Xref: sparky misc.kids:12584 alt.satanism:1301
From: muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: The Satanic Purpose.
Keywords: Purpose.
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:50:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr8.152043.21643@panix.com> rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
>
>A Satanist must appease no god but himself.
>A Satanist's only purpose is to live his/her life as he/she
>sees fit.
>
>A Satanist chooses to doubt, rather than believe.
>

Sounds more like a humanist to me -- whats with the shock value?

John M.
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Safety expert suggestion
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:40:50 GMT
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell) writes:

> On Prime Time Live last night, they had a story on someone who gives
> street survival classes. He had one suggestion that I thought was
> appropriate to misc.kids.
> 
> He suggested telling your children that if they were walking home
> from school and someone started to follow them they should start
> running but first DROP their bookbag. He commented that heavy
> bookbags could slow them down. This seemed like good advice.
> 
> celia modell

That would be a good idea, as long as there is nothing in their
bookbag or books that would identify them or where they live.

Karen.
From: smorine@isis.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: Little Rabbit Foo-Foo: words wanted
Keywords: song
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 04:49:07 GMT

Thanks, everybody!  "Hare today, goon tomorrow."  No wonder my mind
kept bringing up "A Penny saved is a Penny urned"* whenever I tried
to remember the rest of "Little Rabbit Foo-Foo".

(*) The "moral" of a vaguely remembered story of a girl named PENNY,
    who was repeatedly getting herself into trouble and repeatedly being
    rescued by a good fairy.  Said fairy ended this problem by:
    (ta-da!) putting her in an URN.  "A penny saved is a penny urned." 

--
-Suzanne Morine    smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu   -   uunet!isis!smorine
--
"The present is a sluggish traveller loafing in the path tommorow
	wants to take."    Beryl Markham
From: jgt10@uts.amdahl.com (John G. Thompson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Golden books "chain letter"???
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:23:36 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis) writes:

>In article <3328@gdls.UUCP> eberle@gdls.UUCP (Kathy Eberle) writes:
>>In article <4310121@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish) writes:
>> Recently, my 5-year-old got a "chain letter" from a friend
>> which is designed to (1) go to 6 friends, (2) is two levels
>> deep (i.e. you get 36 replies), and you are supposed to send
>> back an 88 cent golden book to the name at the top of the
>> list.  It claims to be part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign".
>> 
>> Has anyone else seen this?  
>> 
>>Stuff deleted..
>> Bill Parrish (bparrish@hprnd.rose.hp.com)
>
>I received one of these chain letters last november -- haven't done
>anything about it -- would like to know if it is legit -- if
>it is truely part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign" -- is there
>such a Campaign?
>Grace Chen-Ellis

We received one of these too.  I suspect that the Postal Service will
consider this one illegal as any other, but we did it any way.
Haven't seen anything yet...

JGT
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                        P.O. Box 3470 MS 340    {sun,uunet}!amdahl!jgt10
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From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: names
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:08:30 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.

> If anyone knows of some interesting Irish boys' names, please post!  (We do,
> of course, have some time to decide!)

  Two close friends of mine, Patrick and Bridgette Honan have kids with
  truly irish names.

  The oldest boy is 'Quinn'.
  The youngest boy is 'Eoin' (sounds like "Ian" but the gaelic spelling - 
  or so they tell me).

  They also have girls, Shannon, and Heather.  

  Another couple have two boys, Bryce and Kyle (is that Irish?).

  
  An' sure an' there's nothing wrong with Michael, either...............



  


-- 
Mike Schmitt                   "Verify range to target.  One opinion Mr Vasily,
Boeing Defense & Space Group    and one opinion only, please.  And it's not my  
Seattle, WA                     employer's." 
major@@shuksan.boeing.com     
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cmaher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia L Maher)
Subject: Re: Boy (8 yrs.) wearing out shoes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:38:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.194442.22891@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> melissa@spanky.jpl.nasa.gov (Melissa Probst) writes:
>My son who will be 8 in May has been going through shoes like
>crazy lately.  We are having to buy him new ones every month!
>It doesn't matter if we spend $15 or $50 for shoes they seem
>to wear out just the same.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Melissa


My seven-year-old has the same effect on shoes.  He had had his last pair
for about one and a half months when we discovered that the entire toe on
one of the shoes was flapping open!  That one, however, was easy to trace.
He is just getting into bike riding for the spring, and he wasn't using
the brake to stop the bike--he was using the toe of his shoe.  Usually,
however, it's just general wear and tear (the usual tromping through mud,
splashing in any available puddle, etc.).  We have decided to go the $15 shoe
route until his shoes start lasting longer, since we, too, have found out
that cost of the shoe makes no difference.  Of course, we just bought new
shoes about a week ago, and the pair that he really wanted (L.A. Gear
Regulators) cost $50.00.  He made up the difference between $15 and $50
with money his grandmother had given him.