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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:14:37 GMT

In article <Jan21.180407.17863@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> freedman@cs.colostate.edu writes:
>Remember, quite a bit of this money they're wasting is going to
>subsidise our driving habbits.  (i.e. oil industry, roads, war,
>etc....)

"Subsidise" implies that they are spending more on these things than
the gas tax covers (about $50 billion/year). I don't know of any
federal funding going to the oil industry. We've had one war that
could be connected to oil in the past decade, at a cost of under
$50 billion (after subtracting the contributions from allies), i.e.
under $5 billion/year averaged over time. Do federal, state and
local governments spend over $45 billion each year on roads?

>Perhaps we should all write our congresspersons and tell
>them that if they raise the gas tax, the proceeds must be earmarked
>for something they currently don't spend money on (that way they
>don't just use creative bookkeeping to divert other money...)

I'd have a hard time thinking of _anything_ which is appropriate
for the government to spend money on, which they currently don't
spend money on. But look at the government's track record on 
reserving money from a special source, for some specific purpose:
Social Security is supposed to be completely seperate from other
federal spending, and the extra money collected is supposed to
be saved up, for future need. In reality, all this money is spend 
to cover a part of the federal deficit. Given this, I din't
trust the government to keep any promise to keep gas tax funds
seperate, and spend them only on particular programs: No matter
what the claim, they are going to waste it like (almost all) the
rest of the federal budget.

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder
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From: freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, etc.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:58:16 GMT
Reply-To: freedman@cs.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Department

In article 50485@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford) writes:
>all that needs to happen is for the prices of
>gas to pass the level of these alternatives.  alternative energy costs
>generally are in the $35-40/barrel equivalent range, with current market
>rates in the $20/barrel range.
>
>my (possibly whimsical) solution is to use all we have NOW, as fast
>as humanly possible (to deplete the supply-side), and assure (through
>legislative & environmental harrassment) that environmentally sensitive
>drilling will cost in the $50/barrel range, and POOF! the invisible hands
>of the free market will guide us to the (now cheaper) alternatives...
>
Doesn't make much sense to use all we have as fast as we can?? does this
mean to drill lots of holes in the ground to get all the oil we can
as fast as possible?  You'll also find that when gas gets up to around
$25/barrel, we'll just import less and drill some more holes here.

Also, legislative & environmental harrassment is hardly the invisible
hands of the free market!!
---
Keith Freedman
Colorado State University
Department of Computer Science
Systems Administration

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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:43:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.175243.14703@claven.ucar.edu> woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
>>Why not wait until we know if there is a problem, before we try to
>>solve it?

>There are a whole BOATLOAD of problems. To name a few: pollution, 
>inattentive drivers, drunk drivers, sleepy drivers, incompetent
>drivers, congestion, inefficient use of energy and resulting environmental
>damage, ......

I was refering to a problem more severe than the consequences of 
regulation. Problems of inattentive/drunk/sleepy/incompetent drivers
can be addressed through existing laws (i.e. simply making licensing
tests more challenging, enforcing the reckless driving laws, etc...) 
Similarly, congestion can (to some extent) delt with by improved
highway planning among other things. Pollution and environmental 
damage can be reduced by emissions control devices. As to inefficient 
use of energy, I don't see why this is a problem if energy is available.
So, in my opinion, there are potential solutions to all the problems
you mention. So, (as I said before) why don't we wait until we know if
there are any unsolved (or unsolvable by existing methods) problems,
before we apply new, extreme methods (prohibitive gas taxes, etc...)
to solve them.

                                              Frank Crary
                                              CU Boulder
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From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Phone numbers?
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:38:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.061441.7865@advtech.uswest.com> smithrud@advtech.uswest.com () writes:
>I have never read or heard that a person is obligated to give out their
>phone number when making store purchases with a credit card or a
>personal check.

Perhaps not, but I think the store might be within their rights to refuse
to accept your check if you refuse to give them your phone number. That
might be a bad business practice but I don't think it's illegal. I hate
giving out my home phone number because I am convinced that it goes onto
more junk calling lists every time I give it to a business. So I just
give them my second line number, which is registered in my name if anyone
ever checked, but is connected only to a modem.

--Greg

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From: freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman)
Subject: Re: Illegal telephone recording
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:05:30 GMT
Reply-To: freedman@cs.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Department

In article 18085@colorado.edu, fedrick@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Kelvin W. Fedrick) writes:
>In article <C16Lu9.G9n@panix.com> eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
>>In <1993Jan20.172624.9115@netwise.com>, kelvin@netwise.com sez:
>>
>>>As I have said before, you need not tell the other party anything. 
>>
>>Your description is only accurate insofar as it summarizes federal
>>law.  As Gordon Burditt has pointed out, state law may impose
>>additional restrictions.
>
> No, this is Colorado state law as explained to me by my attorney, who
> has been using recordings of phone conversations as evidence in civil
> cases (divorce) for the past several years.
>
has he used the recordings in cases actually in TRIAL or only as a means
to try to settle out of court??

---
Keith Freedman
Colorado State University
Department of Computer Science
Systems Administration

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From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender)
Subject: Anybody dealt with these builders?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:04:33 GMT

I'd love to hear from anyone who's had a house built by any of the
following builders during the past few years, particularly anyone
that's had complaints!

	Randy Hartmann
	Richard Patterman (Sunburst)
	Bainbridge

Thanks. Apologies if this gets outside Colorado, it's not supposed to.

-- 
Rainer M. Malzbender       'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice.
Fyzzicks, CU Boulder        And when justice is gone, there's always force.
(303)492-1366               And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom.
                                            -Laurie Anderson
From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Amnd.2 Boycott is Counterproductive.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:51:02 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: co
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ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
> In article <EJH.93Jan21095317@khonshu.colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
> 	Don't blame me, I voted against Amendment 2!

A boycott of Colorado does precisely that.  Blames you even though you
voted against Amendment 2.

Dan Kary

-- 
"And that, my leige, is how we know the earth to be banana shaped."
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:48:31 GMT

kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu said the following:
> >Cheap gas prices are creating a global economy.  And I don't think
> >a global economy is good.  I think that local economies are better.
> >I think buying a coffee table from a local craftsman is better than
> >getting the state of the art Swedish coffee table made from bula-bula
> >wood (don't view this as the typical "buy American"/"Pride in
> >America" attitude, that is not what I'm getting at).  Having
> >stuff shipped from all over the world is just another link that
> >can break down.  The price of everything suddenly becomes subject
> >to the price of gas.
>
>I have the opposite attitude - I'm going to buy the best product from the
>best company.  If the table from my local craftsman doesn't look as good and
>isn't crafted as well as the "Swedish bula-bula wood" table, I'll purchase
>the latter.

And you would be a fool to do anything else.  I think gas prices
should be higher, but I still shop for the cheapest gas.  If items
can't be imported, then plenty of local competition will crop up.
You will be able to buy something locally that satisfies your
requirements (Don't bring up the auto industry as a counter example).

>What's the point?  Resource depletion occurs.  It's not something that's not
>taken into consideration.  Say you're making <n> dollars making a widget made
>of <material>.  You also know that you're going to run out of <material> at
>a certain point in time.  Do you blindly run your company as if there's an
>infinite supply of <material>, or do you search for alternatives?

The oil companys are maximizing for profit, and right now they are
putting NO money into R&D of alternatives.  I would even venture to
say that they are oppressing R&D into alternative sources.

--Chris
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From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Phone numbers?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:04:25 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I hope this topic isn't too "general", but here goes...

When I purchase something on my VISA card and they (sometimes) ask for my
phone number, I refuse, since I am under the impression that you legally have
the right to refuse to give that information, and that the company will only
use it for phone lists that they sell.

Now I've seen many stores asking me for my phone number when I buy something
with a check.  I show my driver's license when they ask for it, and I've been
giving my phone number, as not to make a big deal, but I'd rather not.

My question is:  Are you under any obligation to give a phone number for a
check purchase?  Do companies use this phone number (on your check) in the same
way they do on credit cards.

I was wondering since the credit card is backed by a credit company there 
shouldn't be any need for further verification, but it's up to the store to
get credit from the check.

Thanks for any advice.

-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________________
|                                                                             |
| "Nuke the unborn gay whales!" |  millerje@cs.colostate.edu  |  Jeff Miller  |
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:34:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.034226.22330@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> crosby@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Crosby) writes:
>Anyway, the point is that when you go out in your car, you are very heavily
>subsidised--you are driving on extremely expensive roads and putting out ton's
>of pollution, and not paying the cost.

I don't suppose you can account for the $40 billion or so the 
government currently takes in from the gas tax? If we are being
subsidised, then clearly they must be spending this money on roads
and gasoline-related pollution measures. I wasn't aware the
EPA and highway programs spent that much... I also seem to recall
paying taxes to the government, in greater proportion (judging
from average driving habits) that I benefit from these
"subsidies" (hint: If I'm paying my share of it in taxes, it isn't
a subsidy.)

                                             Frank Crary
                                             CU Boulder
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From: drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject:  Was : Re :  Colorado Ski Report - is really A2 discussion
Followup-To:  co.politics.amend2.discuss
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:59:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.193925.18453@igs.com> eric@igs.com (Eric Janik) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.051127.8256@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
>(Frank Crary) writes:
>
> Since you think your life is so easy compared to someone who isn't
> white, male and straight, you seem to think it would be much
> harder if you were not. While you would certainly have more problems,
> why do you think they would be so substantial (i.e. significantly
> worse than any other problems you might have)? 
>
>My point was that many people would benefit society and themselves if they
>would (a) be more grateful for any advantages they have, (b) try to under-
>stand life without some of those advantages, and (c) not pick a fight just
>because they think they can win.

< More ammendment two discussion deleted >

What are the latest snow conditions?  There have been a flurry of 
posts titled "Colorado Ski Report," but none of them ever tell me
what I want to know.

Ammendment two is definately something that needs to be dealt with,
so it's understandable that it's generated a considerable amount of 
traffic.  However, that traffic doesn't concern the ski conditions
that the title indicates and therefore doesn't belong in this 
thread.

-- 
Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit. | Drew Eckhardt
Condemn Colorado for Amendment Two.		 | drew@cs.colorado.edu
Use Linux, the fast, flexible, and free 386 unix |  
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From: sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, etc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:13:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <Jan22.185847.33362@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> freedman@cs.colostate.edu writes:
>
>you seem unconcerned about the environmental toll here.  Anyways, if
>supply dwindles, we'll just tear up the alaskan wildlife refuge to get
>the oil out of there.  We'll dig up the rest of the rocky mountains
>to scrape all the coal out of there.  We'll increase off shore drilling
> ( etc... )

obviously, this is a bleak scenario.  but don't be to quick to project
the present linearly into the future.  when gas costs rise, either
naturally or artifically, there are a whole raft of alternative energy
technologies (conservation, solar, wind, biomass, etc.) waiting in the
wings to come on-line.  all that needs to happen is for the prices of
gas to pass the level of these alternatives.  alternative energy costs
generally are in the $35-40/barrel equivalent range, with current market
rates in the $20/barrel range.

my (possibly whimsical) solution is to use all we have NOW, as fast
as humanly possible (to deplete the supply-side), and assure (through
legislative & environmental harrassment) that environmentally sensitive
drilling will cost in the $50/barrel range, and POOF! the invisible hands
of the free market will guide us to the (now cheaper) alternatives...

i can alawys dream, can't i ???

stew crawford.
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Subject: JOB: Data Entry - CSU, Fort Collins
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:59:51 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

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From: ftarnol@nmastaff.mnet.uswest.com (Fred Arnold (303) 896-8084)
Subject: Re: Phone numbers?
Organization: U S WEST Communications
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:55:56 GMT

In article <Jan26.010425.23936@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
|> I hope this topic isn't too "general", but here goes...
|> 
|> When I purchase something on my VISA card and they (sometimes) ask for my
|> phone number, I refuse, since I am under the impression that you legally have
|> the right to refuse to give that information, and that the company will only
|> use it for phone lists that they sell.
|> 
|> Now I've seen many stores asking me for my phone number when I buy something
|> with a check.  I show my driver's license when they ask for it, and I've been
|> giving my phone number, as not to make a big deal, but I'd rather not.
|> 

Hell, just do what I do. Make one up.
|>
-- 
+******************************************************************************+
| Fred Arnold   NRA Life                                                       |
|    Voice (303) 896-8084                                                      |
|      FAX (303) 896-7644                                                      |
+******************************************************************************+
From: render@massive (Hal Render)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:20:31 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
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There is one big problem in our dependence on oil that was recognized by Bush
as well as Clinton:  we have become increasingly dependent on foreign oil.
This makes us subject to whatever pricing scheme that OPEC decides to give us.
Putting down more holes in the US will not solve the problem.  If ANWR is 
opened up and all the oil pumped out (according to Oil Co. estimates) it would
last only about 9 or 10 months as a sole-source for US needs.  As a source 
combined with foreign oil, it would, at best, prolong the end another 15-20
years.  Simple conservation acts, like replacing all the incandescent bulbs 
in the US with compact fluorescents and increasing the average gas mileage 
of new cars by 10mpg would yield energy savings equivalent to all the oil in
ANWR or more.

Further, if we wait on this, all of the countries who now pay high prices for
oil will get the jump on us in energy saving technology, and we may find 
ourselves more dependent on foreign powers for our energy.  If you think Japan, 
a country that has to import all of their oil, is going to ignore this, buy a 
box of compact fluorescents and see where they're made.  

--
hal render
univ. of colorado at colorado-springs
render@massive.uccs.edu
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:27:25 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <1993Jan21.052845.17755@ucsu.Colorado.EDU| fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|
|However, I _like_ finding fresh food on the shelves (even in winter).
|That requires shipping from other parts of the country (possible
|because of cheap energy). 
                                                                               
But, unlike most drivers in the state, fresh food shares the
ride with other fresh food.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131
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Newsgroups: co.general,co.ads,misc.forsale,boulder.general
Subject: Cello for Sale
Keywords: Cello
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:29:15 -0700
Organization: AES Consulting, Boulder, Colorado

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