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From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Av Frydman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: One day R"H (was Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays)
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:58:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <PINKAS.92Oct1191056@skywalker.intel.com>, pinkas@skywalker.intel.com (Israel Pinkas) writes...
>[I am not Reform, but I wanted to clarify the issues here.]
> 
>ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>> What do Reform Jews do when 1 Tishri is on Shabbat, and the sounding
>> of the Shofar is not permitted?
> 
>Reform Judaism has relegated the ancient rabbinical decrees as being
>ancient - not valid in our time.  As a result, there is no reason for the
>not to blow the shofar.
> 
>-Israel

A "humorous thing happened a few years ago in Brookline, Mass.

It is traditional to go to "Tashlich" on the first day of Rosh HaShanah to
a body of water.  In Brookline this is done at a reservoir at the end
of Beacon Street (the main street of the town).  It's quite an event.  All
the shuls go around the same time with the Bostoner Rebbe's kehilla
marching down the Beacon Street sidewalks with passing traffic stopping
to watch the "parade".

The reservoir's gates are locked throughout the year but are opened only
for tashlich.  The Rebbe arranges for it every year with the Water Department.

A few years ago, when R'HS fell on Shabbos, the Rebbe arranged to have the gates
opened on the 2nd day (Sunday) instead--since tashlich is not done on Shabbos
by traditional Jews.  Well all the shuls met aftyer Mincha on Sunday and
the gates were closed!!

A passing policeman contacted the water department which sent someone over 
to open the reservoir.  That person came to the Rebbe and explained that
he had a memo that told him to open it today (Sunday), but the Rabbi of
another congregation(Reform) called yesterday (Shabbos) to ask him to open the
gates for his group and that the memo about Sunday must have been a mistake.

We all had a good laugh and went to the water, said our prayers, sang a few
niggunim and danced a bit. 

Gamar Chasimah Tovah,

Avi
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:14:19 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:

> I have received the following text as private mail. I have erased any
> identification of the sender. The electronic mail address points at a
> respected UNIVERSITY.
> 
******Stuff Deleted******
> 
> Look, Jack, you can go about writing bullshit like this and you probably 
> will. Tell me one thing, if jews in poland at any time at all were 
> persecuted in poland, why didn't they rebel...?
> Sort of like the Palestinians and their uprising... show me pictures of
> polish citizens indiscriminatly shooting at crowds of jewish protesters.
> like we so often see on TV nowadays Jews doing it.
> Piss off, because seeing todays behavior of the jewish people everyone
> inclined to doubt their innocence in 19/20 th century Europe.

******My Comments******

Lost cause, Jacques.  This guy is never going to use any native 
intelligence to critically examine anything you might send him.  I'm glad 
you posted this, because I have become complacent to a point and 
periodically need reminding that people like this exist.  I do wish you 
hadn't protected his identity, though, because he should be required to 
defend his views rigorously.  It wouldn't change his mind, but in the 
presence of some actual intelligence, he might begin to realize he's out 
of his league with arguments like the above.

Todd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT)
Subject:  * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:05:24 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

  I do not want to ask an intensely detailed question so I'll ask as simply
as possible:

  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?

  Thanks.

John R. Hiatt    JHIATT@GEMINI.SIM.ES.COM
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tzom Gedalya
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:59:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems

In article <199210021029.AA06817@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>
>Usually  one performs  a Brit  Milah during  daytime, perhaps  by that
>making it easier to find a minyan, but  can one not have a Brit in the
>evening? If one can,  so if a boy is born on Ellul  25, the eighth day
>being Tishre 3, why not perform the Brit sometime in the evening after
>the end of Rosh Hashana? In that  case everyone can eat at the se'uda.
>The only point against it could be the one brought by Warren, and that
>is  that after  two days  of Rosh  Hashana no  person is  able to  eat
>anything let alone a se'uda :-).
>
>On Tish'a  be'av whether  regular or postponed,  this trick  would not
>work, because  there the fasting  lasts the  whole day (not  just from
>morning till evening).
>
>   Michael Shimshoni


I doublechecked with Rabbi Kaganoff to verify my memory and there
is a mishna in Meseches Megillah which lists a number of things
that must be done during the day.  One of the items listed is Bris
Milah.

_______________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
| H_Markowitz@att.com     |    Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
|_________________________|____________________________________|
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Keywords: what it overides, what overides it
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:06:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <70067@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>I am well aware that nobody is to ever fast on Shabbat, unless Yom Kippur is
>on Shabbat that year.  Only then is fasting on Yom Kippur allowed, even 
>required.  Not even Tisha B'Av overrides Shabbat in this manner, it is merely
>postponed, as has been noted in several other postings.  My question is what
>, if anything, might override Yom Kippur.  I have heard that if a bris happens
>to fall on Yom Kippur, then it is performed on Yom Kippur.  That so important
>is a bris, being the sign of the Covenant with God, that it is ALWAYS done
>on schedule regardless of mitigating circumstances.  Is this correct?  If so,

yes.

Provided of course that there are no medical reasons which might
delay a brit.

>what about a pidyon haben?  In any event, is there anything at all, that


Pidyon haben is postponed on Yom Kippur (postponed on Shabbat too)

>would still be observed even if it coincides with Yom Kippur?  Also, are

Aside from the obvious fact that pihuah nefesh -- saving a life --
overrides all of the Yom-Kippur-only laws --  if needed to save a
life almost any law (except the "big three" which are not special to
Yom Kippur) can and must be broken if necessary.


>weddings permitted on Yom Kippur?

      (Not unless her father has a shotgun in his hand, in which
       case pikuah nefesh might override :^)

No, for any number of reasons:

 - Cannot sign a contract  - cannot even enter into a contract on
     Yom Kippur

 - Cannot have sexual intercourse on Yom Kippur

But Rabbi Maurice Lamm cites a different reason in "The Jewish Way
in Love and Marriage."  (Only takes one reason, right?)

  He points that while on the fast day of Tisha B`Av one cannot marry
  because the unhappiness of this day of mourning would too sharply
  contrast with what should be a joyous day of marriage, on the fast
  day of Yom Kippur, the Joyousness of the day would take away from
  the undivided joy the bride should receive on her wedding day, and
  we must not mix "rejoicing with rejoicing."

However, it was very common for marriages to be performed
immediately following the end of Yom Kippur.   For that reason, we
read from the Torah on Yom Kippur of which marriages  -- which
relatives -- are prohibited.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: let's stop that nonsense,
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:14:09 EST

    Andrzej, you're perfectly right in one respect: it's really nonsense
to argue. It's even more, HOPELESS. Having followed most of this
argument, I can clearly conclude TWO facts:
1) Poles actively participated in atrocities against the Jews during &
   AFTER the war; their participation was on such a large scale that it,
   in certain respects, perfectly justifies the claim of their
   anti-semitic nature in certain periods of history (including present)

2) Poles will never be able to admit it - as it's a very unconfortable
   fact indeed. But, after all, they'll certainly need their spotless
   little conscience to sleep soundly...

One thing that you're wrong: ALL the historical facts & dates & sources
cited by Polish people in support of their argument has been ANSWERED
promptly by various people.

As to the sources etc. cited by Jews - well, I must've missed the
relevant Polish remarks, for I haven't seen any. There've been books,
essays, reports, etc metioned - there's been not ONE Pole to read those
& think about them... oh, well, you don't bother with facts, do you...?
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:56:07 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

And who knows the origin of SAFSAL ( bench )?
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   Latin "sub sellis" (under_the_saddle).
:wq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: Re: Y'hi Ratson at the Table
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:40:05 GMT

In article <4310@moscom.com>, de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:
|> *[The Gefilte Fish line runs through eastern Europe.  North of the line
|> they eat sweet fish, south of it non-sweet fish.  Now can we discuss if it
|> is kugel or kigel, challah or cholly?]

In our family (with Litvak traditions), 'kugel' means the real thing, made
with salt and pepper (and fried onions - a mekhaye!), while 'kigel' is that
sweet stuff with the raisins.

|> 
|>
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|>  -->     David Esan      de@moscom.com  
|>  
|> 
|>
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-- 
Rick Turkel           (___  ____ _  _  _  _  _     _  ___   _  _ _  ___
(rmt51@cas.org)           )    |  |  \  )  |/ \     |    |   |  \_)    |
(rmt51@cas.bitnet)       /     | _| __)/   | __)    | ___|_  | _( \    |
			Ein navi be`iro.            |

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:36:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.155428.21269@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.152611.20469@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>>
>>Perhaps Sam's comments were occasioned by the fact that no Jewish
>>sources (to the best of my knowledge) see the basis for tradition
>>as the search for happiness.  Sam may be guessing that AAP's asssertion
>>was post hoc justification for his intermarriage.
>>
>>
>
>If that was his guess, he was wrong.
>I do not need to justify my intermarriage to anyone, as a first point.

Nobody asked you to do so.

>As a second, I was asserting that based on the idea that men has created
>gods and religions as a form of regulation of social relations, among other
>reasons. So, religion is a way of regulating relations and explaining reality
>in such a way that happiness can be found.

I know of several hypotheses about how religion started.  Some focus
on social regulation, some on social/economic power, some on control
over biologically-based dispositions towards violence, and some on
rather bizarre psychodynamic stuff.  I don't know of any anthropologists
or religious historians who suggest "happiness," except for Marx
(religion is the opium of the masses, or was it opium that was the
religion of the masses?). Can you give me a reference?

In any event, your approach suggests no fundamental difference
between Judaism, Christianity, animism, Bhuddism, or belief in the
divinity of the Great Pumpkin (pbuh).  Realistically, this may
satisfy Mr. Webb (who asked the initial question), but apparently
does not satisfy the young lady in question.

We have little common ground to discuss.  You consider Judaism 
just another mechanism to make people happy, and see no reason
to ensure the continuity of Judaism (as opposed to any of several
other faiths that also encourage happiness).

I disagree.



-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: adkisson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Adkisson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: WP5.1 suggestions
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:26:58 GMT
Reply-To: adkisson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Adkisson)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: adkisson@mickey.cc.utexas.edu

I just wanted to say thanks for all the help with WP 5.1 and
Hebrew/Yiddish!  

I had so many requests for answers, I decided to respond to the
net!

The two most suggested items were:  Scripture Fonts and WordPerfect
Corp. Hebrew Add-on -- both evidently allow fairly easy entry of
text (I haven't tried either, so caveat emptor).  For those looking
exclusively for a beautiful font, Publisher's Power Pak--Atech
Fonts-- has a nice one.  (All of the above packages are approx. US
$150.00)

Unfortunately, there were no cheaper alternatives suggested.  If
-- 
____________________________________________________________
rob adkisson              Claudia hat 'nen Schaeferhund,
                          den hat sie nicht ohne Grund!
U. of Texas, Austin        --Die Aerzte

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:17:23 GMT


Time off is not the only important issue with regard to
worker-employer relations and the holidays.

Another potential conflict is when bosses schedule important meetings
or other functions on the holidays (or on shabbos, for that matter:
you know these things never get scheduled for Sunday).

One is immediately thrust into an awkward position when such things
happen. Yes, you can get excused from the meeting. The price is that
your contribution is then perceived as being less than it would
otherwise. It is not a pleasant position to be in.

--Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca (Roberta Rheaume (CPB))
Subject: Tribe descent
Organization: CPCS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:52:44 GMT

Does anyone know if your tribe is handed down by your Mother's family or 
your Father's family?  My mother's family is Levi and my father's is 
Israelite.  As the Jewish religion is handed down by the mother I am 
assuming that the tribe is also.  

Thanks for the info,

Roberta Rheaume
rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: On Polish and Jewish nationalism
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.222351.24812@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.025745.6727@sarah.albany.edu> mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct4.232059.9296@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>>> Think, Roger. Your argument can be reversed: whenever a Pole
>>>would criticize the treatment of Palestinians in Israel and 
>>>occupied territories, a Jew would say "but what about the Polish
>>>rabid anti-Semitism?"

>>It is interesting.

>>So far, those Poles whom I have noticed to have expressed an opinion
>>with regard to the Israel/Palestine question seem almost by reflex to
>>assume that Israel is in the wrong.

> Not me. I wanted to point out that Roger could react in a different
>way and could use different arguments. Roger's arguments
>to which I reacted are not the best ones, in my opinion. Instead of 
>addressing Michal Szleper per "idiot" 

That was done in response to very specific, and very disgusting, 
debate tactics on Michal's part.  Deleting context is not a good idea,
and then willfully misinterpreting my assertion that the Palestinian
situation was not relevant to the original discussion (by pretending that
I had said the Palestinians weren't relevant to *anything* and wringing
his hands) -- that is, at BEST, idiotic.  Accusing me of thoughtcrime
for daring to point out that some Arabs are assimilated into mainstream
Israeli society was as bad, imho.

I do not call anyone names who does not take cowardly tactics in a
discussion instead of actually discussing the matter at hand.

>he could suggest discussing 
>the Palestinian issue in a separate thread. That is what I suggest

Why?  There are entire newsgroups for that.  What does soc.culture.polish
have to do with the Palestinians?  What do the Palestinians have to do
with anti-Semitism and Jewish assimilation in the early 20th C?

And what, I must now ask Michal, does my being Jewish have to do
with the discussion??????

>to those who are interested. 
> Myself, I don't know enough about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict 
>(details, background, history) to express clear opinions, much less 
>to take sides. 

You don't need to!  We're talking Poland here, or *were*.

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:21:30 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County

In article <1992Oct2.154940.21023@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
( re intermarriage ...)

>There is a vialble solution for this problem: To tear down all traditions
>that keep some people blind.

Oh.  _That's_ what Jewish traditions mean to you.

-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Hazzanut (was Re: Synagogue Financing)
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:34:16 GMT

In article <2371@ceylon.gte.com> sgutfreund@gte.com writes:
>There is a cute story in Zevin's Sippurei Chassidim (Artscroll
>publishes this in English) [I'm writing this from memory]:
>
>During Rosh Hashana the chazzan is fancying up things a bit much.
>The rebbe of the shul keeps sending messengers to him to speed
>things up. But the chazzan responds by taking even longer.
>
>A few days later during the esereth ymai teshuva the Chazzan's
>house burns down. Heartbroken he goes to the rebbe. He asks
>what could he have done that G-d should visit this calamity
>on him.
>
>The rebbe replies: Perhaps it is because you trilled a little
>to long on "u'mi b'aish"?

I always noted that you could tell a lot about the age of a
chazzan on Shabbat M'vorchim, depending on whether he
"krechtzes" more on "oy parnasa" (the complaint of the younger
chazzan) or "oy atzamot" (if he is older).

G'mar Tov!




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Haifa University Address
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:48:58 GMT

backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>This is none of my business but why would your friend want to do a PhD at
>Haifa University ? I hope she realizes the dissertation is written in Hebrew.

>Josh
     Are you sure? If you have checked that, I apologize in advance. We at the
Technion, 1km from Haifa U., do accept theses in foreign languages WITHIN
A REASONABLE DELAY after arrival in Israel, which certainly would include
a person starting a PhD program within one year from arrival. I can ask Haifa
U. on Wednesday (BLI NEDER !!!!!!) if relevant.
Yaaqov









Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:31:46 GMT

I have received the following text as private mail. I have erased any
identification of the sender. The electronic mail address points at a
respected UNIVERSITY.
I have held the posting until after mailing to the sender the document
which he asks for: two photos, one with a dead victim, one with a wounded
victim, of the 1918 pogrom in Kielce. If the sender wants to make the effort
to find somebody who knows Hebrew, the issue of the Jews defending themselves
is addressed in the text surrounding the photos. 
The documents were taken from  "The Kielce Book" by Pinchas Citron.
Here is the text which I have received.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In article <goldberg.715809502@techunix.technion.ac.il>, you write:
|> matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
|> 
|> >Do you have statistics indicating "that the individual poles were
|> >anti-semitic"? I mean, what percentage were so, to what extent, etc.
|> 
|>    I do, or, well, I almost could have. Indeed, statistically, can YOU tell
|> how many Jewish children that were massacred by Poles during pogroms, or
|> denied University studies by "non antisemitic" numerus clausus directed
|> against Jews for clearly non antisemitic reasons (?!?!?!), were born with
|> the dream to collect these statistics and write the beautiful book you ask
|> about?
|> 
|> But if you like, as a first rough approximation, I will ask my mother what was
|> the proportion of non Jewish poles that were throwing stones at her in the
|> Holy City of Kielce, on her way to school, between  WWI and WWII, after her
|> father, whose name I carry, had died from typhus in a camp where he had been
|> jailed as guarantee for the Jews of that Holy City by the non antisemitic
|> rulers of 1920 Kielce / Poland, when she was just 10 years old.
|> 
|> By the way, when was the last time you were stoned for being, perhaps,
|> some non Jewish Pole?
|> 
|> Is there any limit to the indecency of deliberately throwing salt on wounds
|> that will never get dry? What about slecting any other subject? Do you
|> really believe that a cladding of scientific sounding words makes the
|> obscene tolerable?
|> 
|>         Yaaqov Yossef grandson of Yaaqov Yossef of Kielce,
|>         the place of the 1946 pogrom.


Look, Jack, you can go about writing bullshit like this and you probably 
will. Tell me one thing, if jews in poland at any time at all were 
persecuted in poland, why didn't they rebel...?
Sort of like the Palestinians and their uprising... show me pictures of
polish citizens indiscriminatly shooting at crowds of jewish protesters...
like we so often see on TV nowadays Jews doing it.
Piss off, because seeing todays behaviour of the jewish people, everyone is
inclined to doubt their innocence in 19/20 th century Europe.

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