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From: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu (Devin E. Parsons)
Subject: Re: Why Final Copy 1.3 crash with DEL-HELP?
Reply-To: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:46:24 GMT

]In article <1992Sep3.211256.8544@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bchiu@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Chiu) writes:
>
>Hello, 
>
>    I have Final Copy 1.3 and it crashes whenever I press the DELETE key
>and HELP key together.  The page number turns to something rediculously
>large, mouse pointer disappears, and the system froze.  Enforcer reports
>endless number of errors, and that upsets me especially when I have lost
>more then 20 minutes worth of unsaved work.
>
>    Is there a new version of fixed Final Copy?  or is there a patch
>that'll fix this problem?
>
>Yuan-chi Chiu
>

When I read your post I loaded my Final Copy 1.3.2 and tryed the DEL and help
key combination, but could not get my system to crash.  In fact, I have never
been able to get FC1.3.2 to crash after I got a hard drive.

Final Copy II is just out (i sent my order for it yesterday after seeing it in
Amiga World) and I am looking forward to getting it.  BTW it is $35 for an 
upgrade from 1.3, a little high if you ask me.

One more thing, does anyone one know about a way to use other outline fonts
with FC?  I am getting tired of the ones that  came with it, and don't want to
sepnd $40 for some more.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Excellence! v3.0
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:43:39 GMT

In article <ojEyr*AR0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>Hello,
>       I just upgraded from v2.0 to v3.0 of the above program.  The new version
>prints a blank page when I try to print to my PostScript (tm) printer.  It works
>fine under v2.0.  Anyone know what is going on?
>
>
>                                                Jim Pritchett
>
>
>UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
> or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp


I didn't have any problems installing it or using with a postscript printer...
I had other problems though which MSS doesn't seem able to track down.
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From: neilg@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil M.G. Gall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: I need an unerase program
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:30:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

Last night whilst doing a tiny spot of hard disk organisation in a
directory I never access via workbench, I accidentally typed delete #?
instead of delete #?.info, in a destructive attempt to remove all the
icons that DPaint IV had graciously created for me.  Er, oops.

So I "park"ed and turned off immediately (I was about to anyway), and
now I would be thankful if anyone could point me in the direction of
an unerase program for AmigaDOS which works with hard disks along the
lines of Norton's QU. BTW this is something I've never heard of for
the Amiga - it's such an obviously useful thing to have (if you're
as careless as me) shouldn't it be nestling in C: waiting for just
such an event ?  (This is the point where I probably get flamed saying
there __IS__ an unerase util with WB2.0, which I bought in May! Huh!)

Sorry for being so verbose, I like it that way.
From: Roger_Martensson@f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: amiga->DOS
Date: 24 Aug 92 12:28:10 GMT
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Organization: Nolaskolans TCL, Ornskoldsvik, Sweden
OD-Comment-To: Lloyd_Sumpter


 LS>    There's a PD package called MSH that does the job quite nicely, as 
 LS> long as 
 LS> you don't mind drivers called "messydisk.device". I had some problems 
 LS> running 
 LS> it under 2.04, however. It's on a local BBS here in Van, but I suspect 
 LS> it's in 
 LS> "the usual places". 
 
The should be a MSH patch around. 
But why dont go for MultiDOS? 
(May be found on your local BBS or some InterNet site.) 
 
/Rm  
  
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From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: "Screen-choosing" Commodity?
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:34:07 CDT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <52751@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>
> 	I'm looking for a Commodity (or similar background program) that
> will pop-up a menu of all existing screens, let me choose one, and
> automatically activate that screen and bring it to the front.
>
> 	Does such a program exist?  When I'm running 4 or more applications,
> screen-flipping by hand is boring.
>
[ stuff deleted]

Have you tried "Switcher"?  I've been using it for eons and it does
what you want and more besides.  It's even handier if you have a
three-button mouse (as I do), since you can tie the pop-up menu to
the middle button.
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Wanted: opinions on CanDO
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:45:03 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)


	

	Well... all I can say is:

	I have The Director 2.0, AmigaVision, Foundation, and CanDo.
	I use CanDo FAR MORE than the others.  CanDo (1.6) seems to
	be able to do pretty much anything I need it to do.... from
	a simple phone number list on my Workbench, all the way to a
	Video editing control system... controling source and record
	decks via an edit decision list (with infra-red link via
	AIR-Link by Geodesic Publications, and direct through the serial
	port).

	Updates have been regualar and substantial.  Building "decks"
	goes along fairly quickly on my A3000....  I really have
	developed a lot of respect for CanDo...  It has taken me
	a bit of work to get into it's advanced capibilities, but
	the phone support is consistantly good.

	CanDo is a real gem in Amiga authoring packages....

	-Mike-
From: Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca (Lloyd Sumpter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Time Management/Scheduling S/W ???????
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:13:17 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Thad P Floryan writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <64851@cup.portal.com>
> Posted: 28 Aug 92 21:25:32 GMT
> 
> Org.  : The Portal System (TM)
> 
>   [ stuff deleted]
> 
> Interesting how we "read" different requirements into the same posting. :-)
> 
> Seeing a daytime posting from a ".trw.com" site (TRW being a defense
> contractor
> and a major credit/financial reporting company) asking about time scheduling
> software left me with the definite impression the request was made on behalf
> of the employer and wasn't likely to be for an inexpensive program to be run
> on a home A500.
> 
> "Simple" calendar and appointment programs are readily available for numerous
> platforms, and I've seen source postings in the comp.sources.* groups.
> Program
> s
> like these are bought/used by individuals.
> 
> Project and time management scheduling systems tend to be highly specialized
> products, with AutoPLAN and GraphicVUE coming to mind (from different
> vendors;
> I have no axes to grind).  Programs like these ARE bought/used by companies;
> seeing ".trw.com" is what prompted me to ask "What system?" since such
> products usually require more resources than what is typically found on
> Amigas
> (i.e. TCP/IP networking, large X window displays, "E"-size plotters, etc.).
> 
> Contrast "casual use" with "serious application."


    What irks me here is the assumption that, if he wants a "serious"
application, then he probably won't be running it on an Amiga. This attitude is
widespread (almost universal!) and has crippled development of "serious"
applications (such as AutoPLAN and GraphicVUE) on the Amiga.


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From: ralle@oberon.dinoco.de (Ralph Niere)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Lace pointer...etc!
Distribution: usa
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:42:53 CET
Organization: private UseNet Node at Cologne/Germany

In article <171r3hINN33h@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian) writes:

> Only problem that I've found with LacePointer is that the pointer *never* goes
> away.  I have a mouse pointer blanker and a screen blanker (Mach III) and
> it *tries* to blank the mouse but it refuses to die.  One of the main reasons
> I use Mach III is because it blanks the mouse when I start typing --
> a feature that I just adore!  So I don't use LacePointer anymore.

I use the MouseBlanker 1.12 commodity and it works for me with
Lacepointer installed. It has as well the feature of blanking the
pointer when I start typing. I don't know where I got it from, but if
anybody wants it, drop me a mail.

Ralph
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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: TROFF for amiga?
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:58:28 EDT
Organization: Private UUCP Node

In article <4SEP199212065024@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smneyln@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:
> 1) a TRUE troff program - I looked at the one that came with the Fish disks
>       (aroff), but I need something that is closer to the real thing

If you are using GCC, just get groff. It'll do what you want.

> 2) a TROFF - 2 - PS convertion - that takes troff binary and converts to
>       PostScript...

This may be part of the groff package, if not, it is certainly in
GhostScript. And maybe even pbm+.

GCC is on wuarchive.wustl.edu, pbm+ is there too (and probably on
amiga.physik.unizh.ch). GhostScript and groff will be at most GNU sites,
most notably prep.ai.mit.edu.
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From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: WShell menu's
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:34:25 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <121B@p12.f7.n242.z2.fidonet.org>, Martin_Steppler@mowgli.fido.de (Martin Steppler) writes:
> gd> I've had WShell for a while now and I've tried several times to attach a
> gd> menu to a shell with no luck. Hope someone can tell me what I'm doing 
> wrong.gd>
> gd> My menu file is very simple:
> gd>
> gd> 1 LABEL "Project"
> gd>  2 LABEL "New Shell" DATA "newshell*N"
> gd>  2 LABEL "Quit" DATA "*E[11]"
> gd>
> gd> file is called "MyMenu"
> gd>
> gd> Then my shell startup is:
> gd> DHOpts PIP: CNC:0/11/666/418/New/CLOSE MENU S:MyMenu
> gd>
> gd> Is this all I need ??? If it is, it doesn't work. Can any one tell me
> gd> what I'm doing wrong ???
> 
> You must supply the MENU option in order to attach a menu to a shell.
> 
> newwsh CNC:MENU#S:MyMenu

I've seen several followups and all say that you have to supply the MENU option 
on the newwsh command.  Interestingly enough, I don't specify this and my menus
attach.  Here's the relevant lines out of my user-startup:
DHOpts PIP: 
DHOpts CNN://670/350/AmigaShell/Close/HLINES#50/FONT#Topaz.font/FONTSIZE#11/MENU#CNN-Menus
DHOpts MENU S:CNN-Menus
; Start the filename-completer
FComp >nil:
; Install WShell as the User Shell
resident Shell L:WshellSeg system pure
; Make WShell available as the custom shell "WShell"
resident WShell L:WshellSeg system pure
Qmouse mblank=10 cmd="NewShell CNN: from S:WShell-Startup"

When I use Qmouse to pop up a new shell, the menus are there!  Note that I do
not have to explicity give the menu specification again.  Qmouse is currently
v2.02.  WShell is v2.0.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: BootX 5.00 crashes on A3000.
From: hoffmann@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (Arthur Hoffmann)
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:25:09 +0900
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Technology, Northern Territory University

Yesterday, I FTPt the viruschecker BootX from some site and tested it at home.
I found quite a few bugs in the program which are a real pain in the neck.

1.) When I try to install BootX it all seems to work fine, until it asks me for
volume Locale ,which I don't have, and stops installing. When I had a look at my
Work:Utilities partition I saw the mess, BootX spread lots of files around there.
I wonder why it didn't ask me where I wanted it installed. 

2.) When I started up the program from the directory in which I dearchived it,
using the Shell  and typing bootx, it started the program, but it was unusable,
because there was no visible mouse pointer. It is not very useful to guess where
you are clicking around, so I quit.

3.) When I started BootX from Workbench it seemed to work ok, but as soon as I
was checking my Work: partition on the HD, I ran into the next problem.
It gave me an error nuber (8000000B) and gave me the option to reboot or suspend.
After I rebooted I found the Task in the alert window, 074CCE18. 
I tried the program again and watched closely what it was doing.
It got caught up in a set of hard links which I set up between some directorys.

In work:gcc/arthur is a hard link called arthur to work:dice/arthur, in which is
a hard link to work:gcc/arthur.

What happended was that BootX went into an infinite loop and eventually crashed
the machine. 

I hope the hard link problem will be fixed soon, because i like the program and
would like to be able to use it now and then.

I guess the problem with the Locale volume will be fixed as soon as WB2.1 is
available. :)

Arthur

					Arthur Hoffmann
					hoffmann@pandanus.ntu.edu.au
From: RJB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Rich Belcinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: The DeskJet
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:54:36 GMT
 <4591@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1992Sep4.122956.28866@sarah.albany.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I've been following some "deskjet" threads, and I'd like to ask the following:

I want to buy a DJ500C printer soon, and I might use it with either Prowrite
or Final Copy.  Does the preferences driver handle this printer well?  Do I
need to consider a 3rd party driver to get the most from it?  I haven't
purchased the WP program yet either, so would also entertain opinions on
print-quality, ease of control, etc. from the aforementioned programs

Thanks,
Rich
From: hibrown@thor.albany.edu (Herb Brown)
Subject:  MAPLE V at WOC in Pasadena
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:30:13 GMT

I recently returned from a conference in California where I spoke with
a representative from Waterloo Maple Software. He told me that CBM called
WMS and asked them to demo Maple V at the upcoming World of Commodore Amiga
show in Pasadena. After picking my body up from the floor and regaining my
breath, all I could think of saying was, "Better late than never!"

Herb


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From: plav@cup.portal.com (Rick M Plavnicky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: GNU-emacs-18.58-Amiga-1.25 memory & lock woes
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 12:27:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

With all the talk about GNU-emacs that was taking place in
c.s.a.programmer, and since Mike has indicated he's dropping support
for mg3beta4, I figured that I owed it to myself to check out
GNU-emacs for myself.  After poking about a bit it seemed to me that
David Gay's amiga version 1.25 was the latest so I FTPed a copy of
emacs-18.58-Amiga-1.25-bin.lha... 

First reaction: Nice!  Performs reasonably well even on my anemic
68000-based B2000.  I could live with this even though it's kinda
large... 

But I noticed rather quickly that this port suffers from a couple of
problems.  First, each invocation appears to eat 64 bytes of memory.
And when emacs is shut down, it leaves an outstanding lock on
gnuemacs:.

Anybody else noticed this?  What do you do about it?  (Er, besides
simply starting emacs once per session :-)  Perhaps David's released
a patch? 

/* Rick Plavnicky   plav@cup.portal.com */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui)
Subject: Re: Super Denise/Workbench and BorderOff
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:12:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.020147.18718@CS.ORST.EDU> evermic@prism.cs.orst.edu (M.BiSON) writes:
>I just got my Super Denise today, installed it and ran Borderoff,
>hoping to nuke the grey band to the right of my wb screen forever.
>Well thats not exactly what happened, it only effects custom screens
>I open after wb and all is loaded.   I tried and tried but could not
>get the border to go away on the side.  Any suggestions?  

Try Blackborder by Peter Kunath and Frank Riffel.

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From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Opinions/Experience with Superplan...
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:19:40 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1992Aug17.151653.17958@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> sullivan@bulean.enet.dec.com writes:
>Does anyone have experience they can relate about Superplan?
>
>Is it a good spreadsheet? How does it compare to others?

It's the only spreadsheet I've used on the Amiga, so I can't compare it with
others for the Amiga, but it's user-interface and graphing capabilities are
not very good.  The spreadsheet that comes with Microsoft Works for Windows 3.1
has a lot better graphic capabilities, for example.  I found it fairly more
difficult to enter data in it than with Microsoft's Excel for the Mac, too.
>
>How well does in integrate with SuperBase Pro 4? How strong are its
>graphing abilities? Printing?

Its graphs are only IFF, and a lot more limited that other products I've user
on the Mac and PC.  I haven't tried any of the file interchange with Superbase 4,
but the two are supposed to be able to have some sort of file interchange.  Both
have ARexx ports, so you could also do some sort of query via ARexx, I suppose.
>
>Does it work well on OS version 2.04 and later? What are the
>problems, if any?

It runs on OS 2.04, as long as you don't try to have it display as a window on
the Workbench in high-res interlace mode.  It doesn't allocate enough memory for
the window, and GURUs.  I discovered this 5 minutes after I installed it.  It
will display ok on its own screen though.  As far as I can tell, Precision hadn't
done any development on it since 1989, and unless Oxxi has plans for updating it
now that they've bought it from Software Publishing Corp (who bought out Precision 
some time in the last year), its probably a dead product.

>
>What would you suggest as an alternative, if any?

If you can visit a dealer that has some of the alternatives, such as ProCalc,
or MaxiPlan, you might like one of them.  ProCalc is a bit pricey, with a list
around $400, and retail almost $200, and the recent reviews of it have been
mixed.
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From: evermic@prism.cs.orst.edu (M.BiSON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Super Denise/Workbench and BorderOff
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:01:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug27.020147.18718
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept

I just got my Super Denise today, installed it and ran Borderoff,
hoping to nuke the grey band to the right of my wb screen forever.
Well thats not exactly what happened, it only effects custom screens
I open after wb and all is loaded.   I tried and tried but could not
get the border to go away on the side.  Any suggestions?  

Is there a pot or something on the inside of vga monitors that I might
be able to adjus to make it disapear?  There is definetley nothing on
the outside that I can adjust to fix this.  FYI, I have a ViewSonic 2
vga monitor. .28 pitch,etc,etc...  and I am using wb 38.30<maybe this
is preventing me from fixing wb.   Thanks in advance.

-MIC
evermic@prism.cs.orst.edu
From: warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Pagestream -> Mac -> LaserWriter WAS: PageStream page breaks
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:24:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Aug26.124956.12009@enea.se>, tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes:
> Included with Pagestream is some conversion utilitys for Mac fonts.
> I got a little confused when I read the info about them, so I'll put
> a question here:
> 
> What I want to do is work with Pagestream on my A3000T and print the
> result on an Apple LaserWriter NTX on a Mac net at work. What do I
> need to do?
> 
> Both my A3000T and the Mac can read/write DOS 1,44MB diskettes, so
> the physical transfer is simple.
> 
> Should I take the fonts on Mac that the LaserWriter supports, convert
> the to Pagestream format so they can be used on the Amiga and then
> just print it to a PS file? When I move that file to the Mac, how
> can I print it, import it as an EPS object into Pagemaker (thinking
> of one-page documents) or is there a better solution?
> 
> -- 

There is a Mac utility for ftp called "SendPS" which will send your PS file 
direct to the LaserWriter.  This works well and bypasses having to use 
PageMaker or similar on the Mac.  However, not all PageStream fonts work.  
Trial and error seems to be the answer.

   Bill Bennett                           JANET: warda@uk.ac.oxford.vax    
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: ASCII to excellence
From: tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us (Tom Denbo)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:22:32 GMT

I need to import reports from Sbase (new name for Superbase) into
excellence.  Regular text is no problem.  I would like to have some way
to pick up underlined, italic, bold text in e.  What shows up in the
file are the printer escape sequences for for these.

Does anyone have an Arexx script (or whatever) that can convert these
printer escape sequences to the appropriate e format?

This is a general problem that probably all WPers will have.

Thanks
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