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From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: The end of cassettes,   was...Re: So? Anyone have dcc yet?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:21:15 GMT

In article <7490248@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>> Bottom line is that there are tens of millions of cassette decks,
>> auto cassette players, toys, commercial recorders for courts, etc
>> in existence and they are certainly not going away in two years, nor
>> is the demand for the tapes (both blank and pre-recorded.)  Cassette,
>> tapes have been around for many years and they will continue to be
>> in the future.
>
>Bill, I agree with your basic position here, but a word of caution:
>IF DAT or DCC catches on in a big way, it is not beyond possibility that
>the conventional Compact Cassette could vanish in a relatively short time.
>For example, how many 8-track systems or cartridges do you see sold these
>days?  If, say, DCC offers such a clear advantage over today's cassette
>*in the mind of the consumer*, then the cassette could quickly become a
>dinosaur, regardless of its true merit.

The analogy to the now extinct 8-track cassetts is not really that valid
since the bulk of 8-track equipment was targeted for automobiles and
there was very little 8-track recording equipoment sold.  By comparison,
almost every cassette unit (other than those for automobiles) is both
a player and a recorder.  The cassette tapes themselves are so inexpensive
today that their low cost will keep them around for years, as long as
there's demand.  Likewise, the plain vanilla cassette has a general usage
far beyond that of recoding music, such as I mentioned at the end
of my initial response above.  So, what I'm saying is that even if DCC
becomes a highly popular format, the existence, nay the replacement of
all those cassette units (in autos, homes, courts, etc) is going to take
a considerable time period and we'll see the availability of blank
cassettes for a long, long time.

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Defeating SCMS
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:32:39 GMT


In article <BxHtIC.4yD@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>,
bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
|>
|>In article <1992Nov9.153209.13425@bilver.uucp>
|>bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:

|>>Wrong answer.  They do place an SCMS code on things made from analog.
|>
|>	Wait a minute.  If I copy a CD onto DAT analogue out to in, how
|>is it that a SCMS code is written to the DAT?  Surely you aren't saying that
|>the code is written via the analogue ins.  This would mean that a pulse of
|>analogue encoded data is sent into the machine to tell it to write SCMS.
|>You would hear it.

No.  Wenever a consumer DAT deck that enforces SCMS records from its analog
inputs, it writes a SCMS code of 11 onto the resulting DAT.  The analog input
of course does not have any SCMS info encoded into it.

|>  Perhaps what you mean is that whenever you record at
|>44.1kHz that the DAT recorder itself writes the SCMS code onto the media.
|>Now, I thought that the SCMS standard was only for digital 44.1kHz recordings.
|>As an example, if I record some original music in my studio onto a consumer
|>DAT machine via analogue in's at 44.1kHz, you are saying that SCMS will be
|>written?  This would be weird to me.

SCMS applies to all consumer DAT operations.  If the source material presents
a SCMS code to the DAT input (as is the case when doing digital dubbing from
another DAT deck), the consumer DAT processes the incoming SCMS code (refusing
to copy if it is 10) and writes a SCMS code on the output that depends on the
code from the input (input 00 -> output 00; input 11 -> output 10).  If the
source material does not present a SCMS code to the DAT input (as is the case
from analog inputs, and also digital input from CD players that don't support
SCMS), the consumer DAT will write a SCMS code of 11 on the output.  This
happens at all sampling rates.

If you record original music via analog inputs at ANY sampling rate, a consumer
DAT deck will set the SCMS code on the DAT to 11, meaning you can copy this
DAT digitally as many times as you like, but you cannot digitally copy those
copies.

If you are doing original music recording in your own studio, the designers of
SCMS intend that you purchase a pro DAT deck for that purpose.  :-(

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From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro
Subject: DAT recorders with mike input
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:46:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Nov5.144628.5134
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

Does anyone know of a one-piece DAT recorder that will accommodate 2
phantom-powered mikes?  It does not--repeat, does not--have to run from
batteries.  Line power is entirely adequate--maybe even preferred.  
It's important that it be portable, and operable by someone who knows
nothing about audio recording.  They don't have to do a world class job,
but they should get reliable results.  

Thank you.
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2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Info wanted: AKG K400 headphones
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:23:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultra.1992Nov9.192328.11300
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

I was looking for a nice pair of monitoring headphones, that was not
too expensive, say, under about $200, and that had a cup design
that surrounded the ear. (I get headaches when the pads touch my
ears after a while).

I think I like the AKG K400's. The have a slightly rolled off
high end that seems comfortable for long listening sessions,
but don't lack any high end detail or transient response.

The middle bass seems a bit prominent, but that appeals to
me.

Anyone have any comments about them?
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From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro
Subject: Re: DAT recorders with mike input
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:18:18 GMT
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Originator: cms2839@ultb

In article <1992Nov10.154309.9627@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>
>It shows that I have been out of the business awhile.  What is T
>powering?
>

				i doubt you'd ever see it in a studio .
T powering is a variant on A/B powering , though i'm not entirely sure
what the distinction is . it's fairly common for film work , as in the
Sennheiser MKH416T ( also available in a 48V phantom powered version ,
called the MKH416P48 ) . i suspect it's used due the lower voltage
requirement .

				anyway , as i said , it's a common
requirement for film mics , so it's a nice thing to have on a DAT that's
indended for sync work . PSC makes some outboard T-Power supplies for
~$75 , but you could probably build the equivilant for under $20 .


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From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Alternate to Rotel 955!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:41:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:

>I'm kind of in the market for mid-line CD player.  Let's say around $400.
>The less money the better of course.  I always hear about the Rotel 955.
>While this is all fine and dandy, I'd like to have other choices.  Rotel
>can't be the only people that make a good CD player in that price range.
>They just seem to be the kind of "in" thing right now.  The same way

The five year warranty with a Rotel is another factor in its favour over
most other CD players.  They really do sound, good.  Try picking up
an 855, that should be a lot cheaper and sound the same.

Scott.

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From: gossain@valhalla.sps.mot.com (Raj Gossain)
Subject: Re: How 'bout a new group for the rest of
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:50:21 GMT

In article 69226@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu, ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER TALAN BERGEN) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.020415.8305@dunix.drake.edu>, kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Devi
>l Bunny!) writes:
>>How about making a new group called something like
>>rec.audio.college.student or rec.audio.penniless.  Almost every
>>conversation that occurs here is pointed to those who have $10k to spend
>>on audio equipment.  It would be nice to know that maybe somewhere out
>>there are other people with as little money as I.  <sigh>
>>--
>
>I could not agree with you more, I am f**cking sick and tired of listening to
>people ask questions whether they should a stereo for $10,000 or $13,000.  I
>am personally a little offended that someone would spend that much money on a
>stereo when there are so many bigger problems today.  We definitely need a
>college audio board.

In article 65290@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu, ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER TALAN BERGEN) writes:
>
>Not all of us have $2500 or more to spend on a set of speakers, some of us are
>paying 23 G's for a college education.  GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Bergen,

I am f**cking sick of whiny, college students complaining about the price of
some of the equipment being discussed on this newsgroup.  It is rather 
self-important of you to be offended by someone spending X dollars on a stereo.  
It's really none of your business how much anyone spends on their stereo.  
The same argument could be made for you spending $23K/year on a private college
education, when so many quality public institutions exist (not to mention all 
those "bigger problems" you could tackle with the money you saved).  Take a deep 
breath and relax and give us all a break.


Seriously, back to the original poster.  I think it is unfair to generalize about 
the subject matter discussed in this newsgroup.  There are always articles 
on low-priced CD players, speakers, amps, etc., in addition to religious wars 
on cables, analog vs. digital, DCC vs. MD ...  Yes, there are people who can 
afford to spend $10k on stereo equipment (however, I am not one of them).  And,
there are also many on strict budgets, who still read this newsgroup with 
interest.  If you really feel the need for another rec.audio... newsgroup, 
go ahead and make a call for votes.  I'll probably read that newsgroup too.
Good luck.

--Raj

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From: keivjam@elof.iit.edu (James Keivom)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.high.end
Subject: INFO ON SONY CASSETTE TYPE METAL SR NEEDED
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:15:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: iitmax.1992Nov10.021533.27373
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago

I use Sony Metal-SR tapes for recording off CD.  Would anyone
have any comments on this brand of tape.  I'm beginning to 
think that there are problems with it such as with handling
highs.  Could anyone recommend another brand?    

thanks

jim
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood)
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a decent "all-in-one" mini recorder?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:39:08 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:59:07 GMT, wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) said:

Anil> I've been using an ancient Sony recorder for some journalism stuff
Anil> I do, and I believe it's finally about to die. It was a brilliant
Anil> recorder in its time and was capable of making the most incredible
Anil> live concert recordings. It had some sort of ultra-dynamic condenser
Anil> mike in it.

Anil> At any rate, I'd like to get a modern equivalent. Can someone
Anil> recommend a current mini recorder that can make really hot-sounding
Anil> recordings? Obviously, I'm not talking about something that uses
Anil> "micro-cassettes" but something that utilizes regular cassettes.
Anil> If it has dolby capability, that would be even better. Hopefully
Anil> we're looking at something the size of a walkman.

Sony WM6 Walkman-Pro.  Makes wonderful recordings.  Used a lot by 'real'
journalists, or at least by the BBC.  Has Dolby.  Costs around 300 pounds in
the UK.

Cheers
Pete
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From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Todd Premo)
Subject: HELP- Revamp an old Altec-Lansing, Heath-Kit Speaker- Please
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:06:17 GMT

I have aquired an old Heath Kit using Altec Lansing drivers.  There is a 15"
driver and a Horn (BIG).  I would guess that these are VERY old as they were
installed into a very old-looking TV-type cabinet.  It looks like the x-over
has a 18db/oct low pass and a 6dB/oct high pass with an L-pad and inverse
polarity.
	The Heath kit model is AS-101 series 02315.  

	Does anybody have ANY information about these old speaks??  I would
be very greatfull if you could forward it!!  I am trying to make a new enclosure
for the drivers.  The old one is not sealed and doubtfully "optimum".  Thus, 
any specks for either driver is helpfull.
	If anybody thinks they might want to help I can let you know a little
more info such as cap values.
	I enjoy finding the "older" audio stuff and rebuilding it.  
	             
	Thanks, 
	Todd
 
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From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: WANTED hafler 220 (broken OK)
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:16:26 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I've also posted this on rec.audio.pro

I'm looking for a hafler 220 power amplifier.  I think there was also
a version of the 220 with a suffix, I'm interested in hearing about
those too.

It is alright if the amplifier is not working.  I can't pay much
for a unit with a cooked power transformer or flamed printed
circuit board, but we can talk.

reply by email.

Tom Matthews
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: Re: Cheap DAT tapes
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:13:29 GMT

Marko Siladin writes:

> Where can I find cheap DAT tapes? Here in Richmond the price is ~$14
> for a Sony 120 minute tape. I know that I paid 16 DM in Germany last
> year for the same type. So there must be a place in the states where
> I can order DAT tapes at a lower price than here in Richmond.

Try J&R Music World in New York.  They currently have Sony 120 minute
tapes for $6.95.  Buy 20 and get a Maxell cleaning tape for free.  A
$4.95 value.
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.multimedia
From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard d Pierce)
Subject: Re: Interface Digital Audio <---> Computer ???
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:14:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.161159.21344@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>
>Perhaps the best of the systems is the Sonic Solutions, as it can be
>configured for as low as $4,995 (plus the computer) for the basic system,
>and can be expanded in stages all the way up to full-blown CD cutting system
>with NoNOISE processing (well over $100K).
>

Hmm, I thought the best system on the market was the AKG DSE 7000, a
RAM-based Digital Audio Editing Workstation (and it's not just because I
am the guy in charge of software development on it!)

Sorry... well, not really :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gfl@hera.cc.bellcore.com (lenahan,grant f)
Subject: Re: Impedance matching components
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:45:23 GMT
Summary: reflections that aren't

 phamtom@seas.gwu.edu (Dzung L. Pham) writes:
> >I have a question on the impedance matching of audio components.  In most
> >applications, in order to provide maximum power transfer and minimize
> >reflections, the output impedance of a component should equal the input
> >impedance of the device receving the signal.  However, it seems in audio
> >that you just need to have the output impedance much lower than the input
> >impedance.  What is the rationale for this ?
> 
You are right in your presentation of traditional rationale.
However, in audio there are two different assumptions:

1. The wavelengths are too long to reflect in realistic
transmission lines (wires).
2. _Power_ efficiency is less important than voltage
transfer in high input impedance amplifier inputs,
therefore, as Gabe said, most folks preserve voltage.

In addition, a low output Z can drive an non-linearities
present, thus making the process of linearizing input stages
less sonically critical.  I, however, beleive that linear
inputs are still a _very_ good thing in "shoot for the
stars" audio design.

Grant
gfl@hera.cc.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mark@spike.b8.ingr.com (Mark Lanier)
Subject: Definitive Tech Phone number
Keywords: need it
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:36:52 GMT


I can't seem to locate anyone in my area that sell Def Tech speakers. If 
you have a number, I would appreciate it. I have had a few responses to my 
earlier post (thanks guys) suggesting speakers. I am looking foward to 
hearing some of the various brands. I'll post responses, etc. once I make my
decision.


Again thanks for the help,

Mark Lanier


mark@spike.b8.ingr.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)
Subject: Re: So? Anyone have dcc yet?
Reply-To: pat@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:11:09 GMT

curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:

>In rec.audio, schuster@shell.portal.com (Michael Alan Schuster) writes:
>>So, dcc is supposed to be on sale.

>It's not on sale, but I got to see one at Kemp Mill today.  They had
>a demo tape at the counter (but no player).

>I got to see it because I asked the saleswoman if she had ever hear of
>the Sony MD.  She gave me a blank look.  I then asked about DCC.  She
>handed me one.  Score one for Philps marketing!  Sony get off your
>butt.

Sony's MD are available already in Japan.  The one I was looking at (portable)
was priced at the equivalent of about $650.  I tried it out and it's not too 
bad.  

One of the two floor models was broken though.  That always gives me a 
shiver.

One thing I like about the Sony is that the batteries last a long time.
The batteries on my portable DAT last about 90 minutes if I'm lucky.  
Is there an estimate for how long the batteries last on the Phillips DCC
portables?  
I suspect that it is more like the DAT situation (extra friction).

- Patrick
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DIY Cutting holes for woofers
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:29:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24141
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals


I use a router with a trammel point (which is what one uses to cut circles)
and a 1/4" diameter 1" long straight bit.

I cut the hold 95% through the first time, going all the way around,
and then cut it loose the second time, beinc areful when I get
to the last few inches.

Works fine.  Use a good router, not a wimp.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 10:14:59 -0500 
From: Bambang Suryanto <bs3f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Recommendations for bookshelf speakers???

You can try the celestion line and the mardaunt-short, both of this is a
very great sounding bookshelf speaker! The price range is about $350.( I
am not really sure but it will not differ by much )

Also you can try the PSB and the pinacle. In my opinion the Celestion,
Mardaunt-Short and the PSB is sound better than the pinacle. The PSB has
a very good upper range, The Mardaunt-Short has a good bass and the
Celestion is very smooth. It really depend on what you want.
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