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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and the Gravis Ultrasound
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:19:49 GMT

In article <1jt80rINNa4@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
>>Gravis has made promises [for an OS/2 driver], but nothing has shipped.  
>>You should tell them why you are taking your business elsewhere.
>I agree. You should email Gravis and tell them (a lot cheaper than long
>distance call :) Especially if you get email for FREE :) ). In fact,
>even if you're not an Ultrasound owner/owner-to-be/not even thinking
>about getting anything at all, we should all write to Gravis to let them
>know that OS/2 is for real, and is here to stay. They seem to be taking
>OS/2 VERY lightly and we should let all computing companies know that
>there are plenty of us out there using OS/2 and it is to THEIR benefit
>th they should support OS/2. OS/2 still doesn't seem to get as accepted
>among developpers as it should be (all the bad press haven't helped
>either, and the media all jumping pover to Microsoft's side). 
>So whether you're thinking about getting an Ultrasound or not, please 
>email Gravis telling them that OS/2 is for real. And unless they get
>their act together, especially since all these other soundcards are
>supporting OS/2, you're taking your business elsewhere!
>On the Gravis BBS, they said that OS/2 is very low in their priority
>right now. This shouldn't be. Let's give them a good waking up with bulk
>email. Here are their addresses...
>Alan's, the guy, email address is 71333.350@compuserve.com.
>AND
>Chris Yuzik's, the salesguy, email address is yuzik@sfu.ca.
>You should write to both addresses. Same message would be fine.
>Let's let them know OS/2 has a large global base of loyal users,
>and growing everyday!

You may also want to remind Gravis that it isn't exactly a problem
getting and OS/2 MMPM/2 compatible sound adapter.  Creative Labs
SoundBlasters come with OS/2 drivers, and MediaVision's are in beta.
(There's also IBM's M-Audio adapter.)  Since the competition seems so
interested, perhaps they'll want to hop on the bandwagon, too.

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From: me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Wish List
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:16:38 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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Joe Morris (jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org) wrote:
: If it hasn't already been requested: a decent routine to handle loading
: of files from the distribution diskettes after the initial installation
: is complete.

: Even Microsoft doesn't make you insert disks which are unnecessary for
: the requested configuration change.  The way that OS/2 works when 
: changing the system configuration is even worse than the old Microsoft
: Word installer which, if you selected several printer drivers, made you
: play the nimble fingered floppy flipper: at least each time you inserted
: a disk the setup program actually needed something from that disk.  OS/2
: setup seems to want to see every disk just on the off chance that it might
: contain something useful.

: And similar comments apply to the installation of a new printer: you must
: guess which printer driver disk contains the files for the printer you
: want to install.

: I don't have the 2.1 beta; possibly (hopefully) this has changed...please?

: Joe Morris / MITRE

No, it hasn't...

Paul.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: antony@werple.apana.org.au (Antony Suter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is hobbes logged on archie? (was Re: Problems with SIO_034)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:00:23 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:

>Yes, I saw this this morning - luga.latrobe.edu.au is a fair leap for anyone 
>in North America, but it is mirroring hobbes, and it does appear in archie 
>searches. Best of luck!

Only ftp from luga.latrobe.edu.au if you are in Australia!
Otherwise a big "PLEASE DONT" to you.

The US to Aus link is quite expensive. People in the US dont pay for it,
but we do!

I heard of a guy in Japan who ftped from Aus instead of the US. Well he
was also closer to the US netwise than Aus.

Again, netwise, only Australians should use our ftp sites. Thats why we
have the mirrors, to cut down on Aus<-US traffic.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Latest Version of TE/2???
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:12:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.162831.17766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior) writes:
> I would like to try TE/2, an os/2 based comm program.  Does anyone
> know what the latest verion is?  I found version 1.2 with commpack
> 2 ver 1.00. but it seems rather unpolished...

The latest shareware version fo TE/2 is V1.20. The latest COMMPAK2.DLL is the
1.91 version found in cpk2_191.zip on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu. 
 
Registered TE/2 users get V1.21.
 
On the whole, TE/2 could be "fancied-up" a lot (more like Telix....perhaps),
but on the whole, I like it. The registered version has enhanced Zmodem
support and scripting (TE/2's or REXX). 
 
Steve
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From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: Rumor: IBM out of hardware business????
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:37:05 GMT

twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) wrote:
>There has been a rumor around this here part that IBM made an official
>announcement on Fidonet that they are dropping out of the hardware
>business. I don't have Fidonet access and can't confirm this. Anyone
>have such access and seen this announcement out there??  No more PS/1,
>PS/2? The end of their clone line only fater being out for a couple of
>months? Any clarifications? IBM, are you out there reading Usenet?

Oh, jeez.

No telling how much S/N ratio this message is going to eat, when
everyone knows it is total BS, just wind.

-Dave

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From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: WinOS2 in 2.1beta
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:48:34 GMT

I have the 2.1beta and can't get Windows programs working without running
the WIN-full-screen session.  No WINOS2 settings exist when I create a
program object for a Windows program.  I tried reinstalling WINOS2 support
using selective install.  It gave me a Y E? N A R I error, and I told it to
retry...it continued, then appeared to hang saying it was configuring.
I double clicked on the top left, and on OK, and it closed.  Same as before,
no Win-OS2 settings.  Any ideas on how to get this to work?

Video is ET4000, 800x600x256.
HPFS partition
SCSI (AHA1542) disk (also an IDE)

I believe I should be able to get seamless winos2, as well as settings.
I installed 2.1 on a freshly formatted partition.

Thanks.
Meir

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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: os/2 2.1 beta - my 2 cents worth
Keywords: os2 beta
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:08:09 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

gah@board8.uucp (Gregg Hungerford) writes:

>  Some observations about the 2.1 beta:
>    It looks nice, like the improvements are worth waiting for but it's too
> buggy for me. The windows 3.1 looked good but I crashed it a couple of times.
> The multimedia thing didn't behave at all (I have soundblaster 2.0). Perhaps
> I missed something somewhere, but I still had 16 glorious colors (I have
> 16 million working on windows 3.1 - a cirrus avga3 card). 
>    I also finally discovered why NOT to use hpfs. The multimedia drivers
> crashed the system during the os2 boot. I couldn't access the hpfs partition
> from my dos/windows partition, so I couldn't remove the drivers and had
> to start over from scratch. Anyone know any other recovery?
> 
Boot from floppy.  Then use the floppy to do a chkdsk on the harddrive.
that will load the HPFS works, then you can access your hpfs partitions.

if the chkdsk doesn't work, then try chkdsk /f:3 

I do it whenever I'm trying new things and have to remove them for crash
reasons.

Note: this was with 2.0.  If 2.1 is not bootable then use your 2.0 boot
disks and see what happens.

Greg

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From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Wish List
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:11:10 GMT

In article <RUB.93Jan24173507@solarium.aero.org> rub@aero.org (Jerzy W. Rub) writes:
>How about:
>
>11.  A shutdown with just one prompt.  I am looking for a way to avoid
>getting prompts from all the running applications and telling each one that
>yes, I want its window closed.  Or perhaps there is a way to do this and I
>should read manuals?

This is especially a pain with the TCP/IP package and running a lot of
the options...they all run from separate command shells.  What a pain.

I don't see a solution for this, except to give them all a rudimentary
pm interface, so that they can respond to the shutdown themselves.

jeff



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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Must I have to reformat to install the new OS/2 2.1 beta
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:59:40 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <81692@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tom Sorensen) writes:
>>>>Hi all, I just got the OS/2 2.1 Beta, I'm using OS/2 2.0 GA now,
>>>>can I just put the 2.1 Beta over my 2.0 GA?
>>>Highly recommended.
>>...that you reformat.  (Sorry for the confusion.)
>I agree with you (that you should reformat).  I installed the beta last week
>and OS/2 crashes on me if I try to multitask two DOS apps. Win-OS/2 also just
>crashes.
>Question- I'll gladly format and reinstall, but how can I keep my GA+SP desktop?
>I've got WPSBackup but is it safe to restore the 2.0 desktop (w/ INI files)
>over the 2.1 one? I really don't want to deal with going through all the
>customization again.
>E-mail would be preferred, but a followup is OK.

Followup it is.  WPSBackup seems to work pretty well.  You can get it
as wpsbk7.zip, I believe, from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

(I haven't used it myself, actually, but it does apparently work.)

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From: toy@crd.ge.com (Raymond L. Toy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Adaptec 1542 and me:  no joy
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:48:20 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


I borrowed an Adaptec 1542B to use in my machine for a while to see
how things would go.  Sadly, they don't go very well.  

I made a backup and then reformatted the disk using as suggested in
the manual.  Restored from backup, and everything was just fine.
Everything would work just as it used to.  Except when I pound on the
disk reading and writing files.  Then, BOOM---internal processing error.

It seems that under heavy disk activity, the whole system is flakey.
It causes some program to halt with access violations.  When the disk
activity stops, and I rerun the exact same program, everything goes
just fine.  Other times the whole thing stops with an internal
processing error.  Usually trap e at the same location.

Some specifics:

	AHA1542B, default settings, except 5MB/sec DMA.  Termination
		resistors removed.
	Mylex 386 motherboard
	Conner internal harddrive, SCSI ID 0, terminated.
	Archive tape drive, SCSI ID 4, external, terminated.

	Beta aha154x.add from Adaptec BBS.  12/92 version

The SP aha154x.add was really flakey.  The beta version was MUCH
better---at least I can get some stuff done if I'm careful to
single-task everything :-(.

Does anyone have any suggestions and/or comments?  Since the 1542 is
such a popular controller, I have to believe it MUST work better than
this.  I'm doing something stupid I hope.

Thanks for your help!

Ray

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson)
Subject: Re: 2.1 beta + keyboard lockup
Organization: Auburn University, Alabama
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:42:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.141724.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvadrhfd@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>Anyone else experiencing some keyboard lockup in OS/2 2.1 beta?
>
>I'm using 4OS/2 32 bit as my command processor. And when I fire up QEdit for
>OS/2 it would lock my keyboard.

C-Kermit will lock the keyboard (for the session) if one does a shell-escape
after a connect. "!ls" will work; "!" or "!sh" fail. The shell cannot be
killed by any kill program, so a re-boot is required. I think this worked
in GA, but I could be mistaken.

--darrel hankerson hankedr@mail.auburn.edu
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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: OS/2 2.0 SECURITY (PC/DACS).  Any good?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:49:19 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

Has anyone seen or use the os/2 2.0 security program by pyramid?  I've got it
and am hesitant to open the disks just yet until I know more about it...

I'd like to talk to users of this product or anyone who knows anything about
it.

Greg

PS: PLease reply via email..thanks

Greg

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and fonts (ATM, etc.)
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:16:08 GMT

In article <1k9e5vINNe2g@fnnews.fnal.gov> isely@fncrd7.fnal.gov (Mike Isely) writes:
>	Continuing this thread...  Does/Will OS/2 2.1 support TrueType
>native from OS/2?  In other words, will it be possible in the future to run
>an OS/2 wordprocessor and employ TrueType fonts within it?  One would think
>that since 2.1's WIN-OS2 will understand TrueType, that perhaps native OS/2
>apps like the WPS might be able to use it too.
>	Or is this a stupid question?

It will not.  OS/2 uses ATM as the preferred typeface rendering
technology.  TrueType is provided for compatibility only in Win-OS/2.

ATM works well with Postscript, and it is the "professional" standard.
It is also an IBM standard across nearly all of its platforms.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS2 and floppy drives- input frozen while drive accessed
Keywords: floppy, input
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:35:25 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan21.170729.28970@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ron Jones) writes:
>In article <1jkl5hINNa2p@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:
>>When I click on drive A or B (floppies) everything seems to freeze up
>>until the drive has been read- the mouse does nothing (but move) and
>>nothing else can be opened, until the drive has been found and opened.
>
>NO! My IBM clones (ISA bus) do the same thing. This seems to be an
>advantage of a PS/2. My old Mod 80 doesn't have this behavior. I've
>been told its the way the the PS/2 floppys work (must be the reason
>they cost so much more!).

Interesting.  I've never had this problem with two Toshiba 1.44MB
floppies, a Teac 1.2MB floppy, and a generic controller.  is your
controller an AT controller or a reworked XT one?  It might make a
difference.  I know that my controller has a "AT/PS2" mode jumper on
it, and the floppies wouldn't work properly unless it was set to the
"PS2" setting.

Maybe a better floppy controller would cure your problems.
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From: sundaram@egr.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Can the IBM C-Compiler compile Windows 3.0 apps?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:14:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu


Hi all,

I am getting the IBM OS/2 2.1 beta CD-ROM in a couple of days. I wanted to
know whether the C-Compiler that comes with it will compile WINDOWS 3.x
(or WIN-OS2 3.1) programs. If it does, then I can ditch the Borland C++ 3.1
50MB diskspace hogging compiler ....  

I am also wondering if there is any ONE compiler that will compile DOS, WIN3.x
and OS2 progs .... this will undoubtedly same me a lot of disk space ....

Later y'all,
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From: mg@tyrolia (Michael Golan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 8514 drivers and the ATI Graphics Ultra
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:06:11 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science

terry@uts.amdahl.com (Lewis T. Flynn) writes:
>OS/2 Conference in San Jose ... Lee Reiswig ... said the delay
>wasn't due to lack of intent on IBM's part, but due to legal problems
>with Microsoft. 
>...
>Sounds like the driver kit problem was Microsoft erecting every
>possible obstacle, not IBM.

What difference does it make? If MS can make legal trouble and does it,
they are just doing their jobs. After all, it was IBM who extracted some
$35M for "IBM patents" from MS. Legal shit goes both ways ...

If IBM can't get the DDK out because of "legal problems", people should
be fired, and it is totally and absolutely IBM's fault.

Besides, concerning ATI's drivers. Why $@^%$ there is no 8514/a generic IBM
seamless windows driver? What's the excuse for this? What about true 8514/a
owners, should they complain that their manufacture doesn't provide drivers?:-)

Someone mentioned the OS/2 programmers are "moron". Come on. The managers
are to blame. Remember, IBM = Idiots Become Managers. With $70mil is OS/2
software solde in 92 vs. some $3000mil in Windose, the bottle have been
lost before it even began. Now we will all be stuck with NT. Ouch.

 Michael
 mg@cs.princeton.edu
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Uuuhg! This is a stable beta???? Help!
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:13:14 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN PAUL VAN LIEU) writes:
: 
:     OK, I finally installed the 2.1 beta last night. Many of you felt it was
:     extremely stable. I remembe using the origional 2.01 beta and having few
:     if any problems wiht it.
: 
:     I ran it fine for two hours last night. I altered the config.sys to create
:     a RAM drive, a larger swapfile, and load dos high.
: 
:     Today (the next mourning), I have had 15 trap d and e errors in the past
:     hour. That's right. The main thing is simply trying to close the icon
:     editor, or another window that I never closed the last time my system
:     trapped.

Try REMing out the DELDIR line of your config.sys. This seems to be a major 
cause of Trap d's.


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From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Wish List
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:45:59 GMT

dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) wrote:
>In article <gershon.728114431@husc.harvard.edu> gershon@husc11.harvard.edu (Ethan Gershon) writes:
>>Also:  A PM-based command line interpreter.  Like an xterm with scroll
>>back and resizable windows.  Stdin/out apps (like copy, unzip, etc) would
>>appear in the window, full screen apps (like TED) would have a fresh
>>window set up for them.
>
>This would require a new session type.  But it could be faked with a
>PM program and a named pipe.  Just create a windowed session minimized
>and link it's stdin/stdout to the PM app with two pipes.  VIO apps
>would fail to run properly.  But stdio based apps would work fine.

Not really.  You can do what was done in OS2YOU and I beleive IBM's
telnetd and write a VIO subsystem that registers itself for that
session... then you can just convert the VIO stuff to PM calls.

>Since IBM isn't supporting non-stdio text-mode apps (except for
>compatibility with 1.3), this gets more appealing as time goes on.

I was wondering what the exact stance was on this... if this is the
case, it would be nice to see some kind of curses-like facility so
that there is a standard way to write full-screen text apps.

-Dave

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