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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: symbolism, important? (was Re: Swastika)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 01:13:47 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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	clearly, symbols are important and meaningful only "in context"...

	....BUT:


 alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) wrote:
> I don't think that outlawing things like the Hitlergruss and using
> swastikas is resticting the freedom of speech.

	that shows that you don't understand "freedom of speech"
	(which one probably should agree is "defined" by the US constitition
	 for use anywhere, worldwide - so let's not play games about the
	 definition... ok?!!)

> sort of symbols is using them just for provocation and I don't see any
> reason why we shouldn't defend the memories of the victims of fascism
> by outlawing these things.

	actually, if it was my call, I would permit it:  I'd prefer for idiots
	and scum to identify themselves voluntarily, so that I can treat them
	with appropriate disdain and disfavour!!

	but for reasons of respect and sensitivity towards the victims of the
	Nazis  (among which I count myself in more than one way also) and their
	wishes, I'm siding with those who prefer to see them outlawed outright!


 scotts@math.orst.edu (Scott Settlemier) wrote:
> It would be hard for me to disagree more. The swastika is a very old
> Teutonic symbol that represents for me a part of my ancestry....

	bah!  be stupid about it.  If it really is SO important to you
	to not be able to set your needs regarding ancient symbolry back
	behind sensitivity towards your fellow man, "STUPID" is nearly too
	kind a word to use ...


> Hate nazis all you want but don't hate the swastika and don't let their
> memory take away from us all a symbol that was not theirs in the first place

	well, maybe one thousand years from now again ....

	now, of course I do not suggest to start throwing rocks at the first
	Indian I see with a swastica - but if there are any other signs and
	symbols which have me think "Nazi", better not ask me for the time of
	day...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: How racit are the germans?
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:34:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.162546.9718@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, allanp@BNR.CA (Allan Phillips) writes:
> In article <1gr231INN4bo@meaddata.meaddata.com> Kai Rudloff,
> kai@meaddata.com writes:
>>|> |> German these days, yet I cannot help but feel that racism itself
> is not THAT
>>|> |> widespread, but I really would like to hear more from other people
> on the 
>>|> |> net.
>>|> |> 
>>|> |> Tony DeSouza                                                      
>     \ | /
>>|>
>>|> Well bully for you!  The beauty of your humanity is only uglied by the
>>|> fact that you would rather label someone else racist, yourself pure
> and
>>|> deny them the opprotunity to change. Answer the question first!  Then
>> 
>>So what's the question?
> 
> Tony asked for opinions on racism in Germany, not for opinions on his
> level of racism. Simple question.
> 
>>
>>|> judge, but keep these silly commentaries silenced until you have at
> more
>>|> than three lines of a hastily written question to make judgements by.
>>|> 
>>|> I would also like to hear some intelligent responses to the initial
>>|> question.
>>|> Thanks in advance to all those who reply.
>>
>>I never saw a question, and you might want to take a little less haste
>>in what you post before you insult my relatives and my intelligence.
>>If you had said your actions were done out of protest, then I would
>>have taken it differently and encouraged it.
>>
> 
> Learn to read, I never insult your relatives.  I never insulted your
> intelligence.
> I insulted your inability to respond to a request for help. 
> 
> By the way, the last part of your response answered Tony's question. Way
> to go.  Thinking before you write, a skill under-utilised on most nets.
>  
> Allan Phillips
> "Whose opinions are rarely his own but never his employers!"
> 
> "Hell, sure you can take a number, can't hurt,
>   since I have no intention of talking to you anyway".


May i take the opportunity to answer - Very

Laurnce
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:15:43 EST
From: <GFX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Looking for German equivalent of The Economist or Business Week

Hi!

I've registered to German 101. My goal is to be able to read German. I'd
like to subscribe to a German business or general affairs periodical. Something
like the British "Economist," the American "Business Week," or "Time," or
the French "Express." Could be weekly or monthly. Ideally, send subscription
info, such as address or, ideally, Fax number.

Thanks for your help,

Stephane
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 17:51:52 EST
From: <L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer

I am reading _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer, and wondering
how truthful he is.  It seems  he's very honest, but he had considerable
time to do research after he got out of Spandau.  (On the other hand, he
supposedly lived in seclusion for 3 years or so after his prison term.)

Some other questions come to my mind:
-- Was there any ghost writers behind this book?
-- The book reviews in scholary juournals were mostly negative.
   _The rise and fall of the Third Reich_ also got generally negative
   reviews as well.  It seems to me that professional historians do not
   regard these two books very highly.  Why?
   (Most popular magazine reviews were very favorable to both books.)
-- Did Albert Speer deserv 20 year prison sentence?
   (According to him, he deserves it.  But, it seems to me he's trying
   to unburden the "guilt of all German" from German people, and carry
   it all by himself.)
-- What is Albert Speer doing now?



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: markm@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Mark Alan Matties)
Subject: info on mpi-mainz
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:45:38 GMT

	i need information on the faculty and the research at the max planck inststut fuer polymer-forschung in mainz (i'm thinking of doing a year or two there as a post-doc). if anyone who reads this netgroup works there, please contact me (personally). 
if there is anyone else who is interested (which i doubt) let me know and i'll post a summary. 


thanks,
mark 

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markm@iris.polymer.uakron.edu		dept of polymer science
"aoibheann beatha an scola/ire"		akron, ohio, usa
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: Emergency
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:43:36 GMT

      Hello Germaniers,

I am in dire need of about half a dozen dirty words in German.
If one of you would kindly send it to my personal e-mail I
would immensely appreciate it.

p.s. These words will be used against a FRENCHMEN. Also, please
explain what the word means. I want the words to be so effective that if
I go to a soccert game In Germany people should look at me with envy!

Thank you, Vielen dank. Lang liebe? Deutschland! Heil Germany etc....

Michael..  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: howdii@patty.gud.siemens.co.at ()
Subject: wienerisch dama redn
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:45:35 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Griass eink, Haudi! Haudi so wia Audi, nua mit "H" wia Hawara. Na sowos, wer
wiad denn do glei an gizi kriagn, wauna ned waas, weri bin. De Leit kennan
mi eh nua unta Haudi, de sogn olle so zua mia. Und wos soi des mit mein 
soedsaumen akaunt, des is mei login Neim bein Kombjuta, sowos braucht ma
hoid, und jeds sogns olle so zu mia, des is ois. Na, und in untagrund leb
i deswegn no laung ned, i muass jo jedn Dog a Grenz ibawindn, waun i ind Hockn
foa mid meina Kraxn. Schbezioe, waun i aufdnocht haamfoa, kauntrollian de
Weiviadla gnau, wems einelossn und wem ned. De Grenzla sogn daun oiweul:
"Ah, da Haudi, basst scho." Oba loss ma jeds den Bledsinn.
Hobds es glesn, do in de Nius hod ana gschriem, ea glaubt ned, dassma des
weanarische a so schreibt, wia mia des mochn. Na, hod dea a Auhnung! Fuachdboa
is jo des! Und, hobds es den oamen Ami scho gsogt, wos des fiara Schbroch is,
wissds eh, dea wos gmaand hod, des schaud so ehnli aus wia deitsch, oba
"wie soll iuch wisson...", na des is a Kaudawoelsch! I glaub i huelf eahm
amoi:

Hallo amerikanische Freunde der deutschen Sprache!

Die in diesem Artikel erscheinenden Texte sind in wiener Dialekt abgefasst.
Fuer diese Sprache existieren keine allgemein gueltigen Schreibregeln,
es setzt sich aber immer mehr die rein phonetische Schreibweise durch.
Die richtige Aussprache ist allerdings bezirksweise verschieden,
und erfordert schon ein wenig Erfahrung und Uebung.

Diese Definition erhebt keinen Anspruch auf Vollstaendigkeit und
absolute Richtigkeit.

Oisso, do bin i wieda, entschuidign den Fremdschbrochegskuas, i woid kaan
Weana beleidichn. Oba waun ma woin, dass des weanarische amoi sowos wiara
dsweite Woedschbroch wean soi, miass ma scho a bissl schuimastan.
Mia kenndn jo Wokabllegdsionen aussagebn, faungat ma hoid amoi mid so
aafoche Weata aun wia: Kibara, Hawara, Weh, Tschusch ... nau und so fuad.
Wauns es ned dafia seids, na bitte, woa jo nua a Vuaschlog vo meina
Bescheidnheit.
Na, des wads daunn wiedaamoi, hoid, wos i no sogn wue: Sads sche braaf und
schdoeds nix aun, weul sunst kummd de Bolidsei, wia da Hea RAEDL vo Radio
Dsedeh ollaweul sogt. Griass eink, es sads meine Hawara!

Wolfgang "Haudi" Howurek   (For Our English Readers: Wolfgang "howdii" Howurek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: olaf@tpki.toppoint.de (Olaf Schlueter)
Subject: Re: Asylrecht
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:38:15 GMT

dennis@metw3.met.fu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:

>In <J1N9Y3R@netmbx.netmbx.de> jost@runner.prz.tu-berlin.de (Jost) writes:
>>>Man kann es auch netter ausdruecken, was den Punkt sicherlich besser
>>>trift als dieses 'wurde gekauft'. Endlich haben die Parteien in
>>>Deutschland bewiesen, dass sie durchaus faehig sind, Probleme zu loesen

>>wenn du die de facto streichung des asylrechts als loesung des problems
>>verstehst......

>Das Asylrecht ist doch keineswegs gestrichen. Nur der Missbrauch wird
>verhindert.

Es existiert nicht mehr: Schaeuble aeusserte auf den Vorhalt
eines Journalisten, dass Asylbewerber nur dann noch Aussicht
auf Anerkennung haben, wenn sie "mit einem Koffer voller
Beweise fuer politische Verfolgung mit dem Flugzeug nach
Deutschland einreisen", dass "ich das nicht so hart formulieren
wuerde, aber man das so sehen kann." (Pressekonferenz nach
erfolgter Einigung).

Den "Rechtsweg" darf man auch nur noch mit Anfuehrungszeichen
garantieren. Der letztinstanzliche Einzelrichter, der die
Entscheidung des Zirndorfer Beamten ueberprueft, entscheidet
ohne Anhoerung nach (Zirndorfer) Aktenlage. In den Akten werden
sich die Einwaende des Bewerbers wohl kaum wiederfinden.

Tatsaechlich ist durch die Abschaffung des deutschen Asylrechts
die Vorraussetzung fuer die "Festung Europa" geschaffen worden.
Da das Recht auf Einreise nicht mehr besteht, bedarf es nur
noch entsprechender Grenzkontrollen und Visabestimmungen, um
eine effektive Steuerung der Einreise zu erreichen. Da nach der
GFK erst dann der Fluechtlingsstatus geprueft wird, wenn der
Fluechtling bereits im Land ist, entfallen alle Moeglichkeiten
fuer einen politisch Verfolgten, aufgrund dieser Verfolgung ein
Recht auf Einreise zu erhalten. Wer kuenftig in Europa Schutz
vor Verfolgung sucht, muss dann ggf. (je nach geltenden
Einreisebestimmungen) erstmal ein Verbrechen begehen, naemlich
illegal einreisen.


-- 
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olaf@tpki.toppoint.de
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de (Roland Stahl)
Subject: Re: Noch 'ne Lichterkette (War: Lichterkette -
Reply-To: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de
Organization: IPI University of Hannover
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:32:37 GMT

Lichterkette am Sonntag (20.12.) auch in

Hannover (ab 18Uhr, gesamte Innenstadt)
Hameln

rst

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Bernd.Kischnick@launchpad.unc.edu (Bernd Kischnick)
Subject: Unkenntlichmachen von Nazi-Parolen ERLAUBT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:51:40 GMT

Wie ein Flaechenbrand greift reine Vernunft in Deutschland um sich:

Diese Woche wurde von einem Oldenburger Gericht ein 28-jaehriger Mann vom
Vorwurf der Sachbeschaedigung, nun ja, nicht gerade freigesprochen, aber
das Verfahren wurde eingestellt.

Er war dabei erwischt worden, wie er eine Nazi-Schmiererei, die an eine
Autobahnbruecke gesprueht worden war, seinerseits mit schwarzer Farbe
ueberspruehte. Gemaess einwandfrei juristischer Logik erging daraufhin
eine Strafanzeige wegen Sachbeschaedigung, hatte er doch durch seine Tat
den schon bestehenden Schaden vergroessert, da ja nun insgesamt mehr
bespruehte Flaeche zu reinigen war.

In der anberaumten Verhandlung kamen Richter und Staatsanwalt jedoch sofort
ueberein, das Verfahren einzustellen, eine Entscheidung, die ich im
vorhinein niemals fuer moeglich gehalten haette...

Frohes Fest,
-   Bernd.

home address bernd.kischnik@cdc2.ifum.maschinenbau.uni-hannover.dbp.de


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Hilfe beim Uebersetzen
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:17:58 GMT

In article <15843@auspex-gw.auspex.com> dieter@ficus.auspex.com (Dieter Rothmeier) writes:
>Da ich mein Studium in den USA machte, weiss ich viele technische
>Fachausdruecke nur auf Englisch. Was, zum Beispiel, ist 'high energy'
>genau auf deutsch. Der Kontext (ist das ein deutsches Wort?) ist ein
>warning label: 
>Caution, High Energy, Hazard Present.
>


Vorsicht: Hohe Spannung - Lebensgefahr


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: trust the Canadians....
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.035925.13355@video.rogers.com>, gschenk@video.rogers.com (Gerry Schenk) writes:
> Laurence,
> As for killing, what would you clasify your call to bomb German cities, a
> social call???
> 
Go back and read the posting again - I did not call for the bombing of German
cities,  What I said was that a colleague who works in Germany has this theory
that it should be bombed every decade just to keep the Germans on their toes.
It is quite true, but obviously neither he nor I are serious about that.

Laurence


> 
> Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.  You know nothing of most
> Germans, yet you call for the destruction of their culture and language.
> Can we say hypocrite???
> 

No, we cannot.  As I said, I lived there for 2 years.

>>> 
>>> Take note, we are not here to simply allow you and others like you, to spew
>>> your messages of hate and bigotry.  To simply allow you to continue,
>>> unopposed, would mean that we condone your actions.  I for one do not.  Next
>>
>>Yes that's quite clear, as one of your lying compatriots had my account at
>>SSC closed down.
> 
> Come on Laurence, you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face.
> Isn't bigotry based on fear, hate and lies??  Since you are an architect of
> postings containing bigotry, you should be able to answer that.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Allan Phillips <allanp@BNR.CA (INTERNET)>
Subject: Re: How racit are the germans?
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:31:35 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:31:08 GMT

>Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
In article <1gno8tINNnbl@meaddata.meaddata.com> Kai Rudloff,
kai@meaddata.com writes:
>I'd say that some of the comments above makes you a racist yourself. By
>your actions (actually inactions), it seems as though you've changed
>your mind about the Germans and labeled them all as racists. Since
>you've concluded that they are racists you've decided to discriminate
>against the whole race, and not the actual people who cause the
>problem. I'm white and have been subjected to anti-white/western
>violence by some Arabs, but I don't hold that against the whole race of
>people, only those who have caused me the suffering.

Well bully for you!  The beauty of your humanity is only uglied by the
fact that you would rather label someone else racist, yourself pure and
deny them the opprotunity to change. Answer the question first!  Then
judge, but keep these silly commentaries silenced until you have at more
than three lines of a hastily written question to make judgements by.

I would also like to hear some intelligent responses to the initial
question.
Thanks in advance to all those who reply.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: "franz hrazdira" <franz.hrazdira@canrem.com>
Subject: wienerisch dama redn
Reply-To: "franz hrazdira" <franz.hrazdira@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:40:22 EST



UN>Sog Franzl, I was ned wer des is! Mid a Numa leiwand aussn Oearnnedl; oba Noman
UN>hoda kan. I deng ma hoit des is a Faschwoerung fo de Wirtschaftla. Wast eh wo
UN>de heakuman.

Jo des kauma si oba e a guad vursto"n ...

|> >Bis ma hoid mehr Mitglieder haum und a eigene newsgruppen kriegn kennan,
|> >werma si hoid do a bissl brad mochn miassn.

|> Sog Franzi, glaubst wirkli, do~ des Weanarische amoi sein kenntat sowos wia
|> des Englisch? I was ned, ana dea wos do net buan wuan is, dea leant des do nie.

UN>Freili Oida, sisschowoa: buan muast sei. Ob aa a Buanwuascht muas aa buan sei,
UN>sundst is kane. Faschteeest?

Mia hom do an in Tokio, da Sigi, a a Ka"rntna. Dem hobi hoid gsogt das a
Wuastl is und der woa si net sicha ob i net Wirschtl gmant het. Do hob i eam
des mit'n Proda erklert und do hodas daun a vastaundn ...

JETZT HUACHTS AMOI OLLE HER WAS DA ULRICH SOGT:

UN>Leidln, wauma in unsare Soell eineschaugn: A jeda isa Weana.  Olle, aufda
UN>gaunzn Woed.  Waunst beim Schweidsahaus Dei Stoelzn gesn host oda ned.
UN>Waunst daonn im Proda woast und Di aungschpibn host oda ned.  Waunst im
UN>Kanaeu woast oda ned. Waunst fum Koinbeag obegschaud host oda ned.
UN>Jojo, i was scho im bemischn Proda muast aa sei, iwasscho iwasscho.
UN>A jeda is und bleibt a Weana.

BRAVO!

Des is jo wia Musik in meine oaden Uhrn, des muas i da scho sogn ...

|> Und wast, waun i ealich bin, i dadat des goa ned guat findn, waun ma se
|> praktisch expoatian dadatn in de gonze Wd- weu mia san jo scho a a poa gonz
|> schene Schei~aln, wos mia Weana scho so ollas gmocht hom. Da Kraus Karli hot
|> gsogt, da~ mia de Versuchsstation f}a den Wduntergong san, und wo ea recht
|> ghobt hot, duat hot ea recht ghobt. Und wos mua~ de Wd heit scho untagehn,

UN>[...]

UN>Waun i eali bi, mei liaba Freind, fia ned soan indelleln Schbruch.  Den
UN>Dscharli-Kraus los sche in eam sei Grob.  Dea wueue eh ned ausse, waeu jetsan
UN>tuat eam de Tseidung die an Pik auf eam kobt ho sche faoeffentlichn.
UN>A woare Blamasch is des. De gschamanse nix.

UN>Bompfinebara miassat ma sei! Oisdaun, Fa-ehrrung.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:37:41 -0500 
From: Dieter.Waeltermann@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Wenn jemand in der Wueste verdurstet ...

In <zxmkr08.724580800@studserv> zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
(Cornelius Krasel) writes:

> Wie sagte mal jemand (ich weiss aber leider nicht, wer):
> "SPIEGEL ist BILD fuer Intellektuelle".

Dazu moechte ich nur noch anmerken:

"Im SPIEGEL sehen die Intellektuellen ihr BILD."

Gruss und adjueues,
Dieter

Modern Languages Program &
Center for Machine Translation
Carnegie Mellon University

"Meine Sprache hat mehr als Worte."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: German troops to Somalia???
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: soc.culture.german,local
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:50:39 GMT

In article <168C17A2D.NBRIGHAM@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu> NBRIGHAM@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.070230.6674@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
>Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:
> 
>>Our gouvernment wants to send 1500 troops to Somalia. They want to send
>>not only transport, medical and technical units but also some infantry
Stay home stupid. Get the Europe unification first, before somebody trys to

derail the Unification to a much loose entity. People will scream Germany 
Resurgence if Germany shows off too, be quiet, let the French speak for you.
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: symbolism, important? (was Re: Swastika)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:18:34 GMT
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Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <lij49bINNglk@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes: