HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu ()
Subject: Re: my call for stopping personal attack
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:55:35 GMT

In article <RON.92Nov4190902@> ron@wc12.writer.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese) writes:
>Mr. Shannon Yeh (yeh@netix.com) seems working on SCC, doesn't he?
>But, what else does he do?  How does he make a living?
>
>I'm a novice, a bit curiosity...
>
>ming
>--
>This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
>ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca

From what Shannon Yeh implied many times on SCC, (and he has never
denied these), that he is the registrated owner of Netix 
Communication (netix.com on internet). Because of his connections to 
some high level CCP officals, according to Shannon Yeh himself, 
he is doing some flourishing businesses with establishments in China.
Part or whole of Netix Communication money was from CCP.

The following is the information you can find on internet about Netix:

Netix Communications, Inc. (NETIX) NETIX.COM			  192.88.8.100
Netix Communications, Inc. (BEIJING) BEIJING.NETIX.COM		  192.88.8.150
Netix Communications, Inc. (NETIX-DOM)				     NETIX.COM
Netix Incorporated (NET-NETIX)	NETIX				    192.88.8.0

Netix Communications, Inc. (NETIX)
Hostname: NETIX.COM
Address: 192.88.8.100
Coordinator:
  Yeh, Shannon Tao  (STY)  yeh@netix.com
  (714) 727-9335

Netix Incorporated (NET-NETIX)
  19 Rockview
  Irvine, CA 92715

  Netname: NETIX
  Netnumber: 192.88.8.0

  Coordinator:
  Lee, David  (DL241)  [No mailbox]
  (714) 854-4931

Maybe this should be add into SCC's FAQ list.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:47:27 GMT

General Q:
Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?

Sub Q
(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?

(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?

(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 

(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
    three cadidates? 

(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
    accept the result?

(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
    country, .......??

(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?

(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?

etc.

These are just question, not statements.


Yi Fang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Some questions. (Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.182922.1371@src.umd.edu> jsxie@eng.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie) writes:
>>There is an old saying reads:
>>
>>          Ren2 Zhe3 Jian4 Ren2,
>>          Zhi4 Zhe3 Jian4 Zhi4.
>>
>>(By the way, how to translate this into English? Any netter knows please tell
>>me. Thank you in advance.)

Nice people are nice
Smart people are smart

>
>Don't describe someone else you don't know according to your steorotype.What I
>tried to say is not more than 2 things:
>
>1.Human right is not related to God,at some point,they are opposite.
>2.I just didn't like what you stated ,"10,000 years later,...are forever".I
>  feel funny to look at this kind of statement.It is not better than "Mao2
>  Zhu3 Xi2 Wan4 Shou4 Wu2 Jiang1".
>
>BTW,human brain is a bio-super-parallel-computer which basicly consists of
>about 1 trillions neutrons,maybe the most complex thing in this universe .
                   ^^^^^^^^
       1 trillion  neurons
       >10^(23)    neutrons

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:56:45 GMT


Lix writes:

|> In article <BxM0H5.1xH@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
|> >[some argument exchanged between Yan and Feng deleted]
|> >
|> >It seems to me that this topic is becoming another inner fight. We
|> >Chinese students are not strong. Inner fights make us weaker. Unite,
|> >fellows. Please.
|> 
|> Agreed. ...

Well, just like to Chang4 Dui4 Tai1 Xi4. Inner fights exist every where,
not only within Chinese. Nor inner fights would necessarily make the
fighters weaker. The problem is what they are fighting, and unite on what?
I think we should promote fighting with sportsman spirit with styles.
Keep accusing others without a single fact is IMO not a good style. If
Liu's article has misstated facts, a single statement to point it out
is enough. Writing a million-word letter with even a million people
to sign up has prove nothing except of course "Hua Qing Jie Xian." Of
course, fighting should be stopped once the Jie Xian has been drawn. But
if somebody HQJX and keep fighting the parties in the other side of the
Xian, then how can you stop the fight?

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:15:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxCyp5.7u2
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bx9vnH.27w@acsu.buffalo.edu> chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:

>You know why you always hurt people, because your stuff stink.

I wish my stuff not stink. I let you to smell it because it is
from your body, if not from your heart.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:30:27 EST
Organization: Penn State University

So many gods in hearts.( 3 hearts 2 wills?)
Why do you say godless?

So many gods in the world.
Try to believe in three or five.
The 18th floor hell is too deep.
Believing  a few more may save an elevator,
no matter up or down.
Wish gods understand the pieces of bitter hearts.

X  Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: U.S. -China Act of 1992 (China's MFN)
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:49:44 GMT

### On Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:08:32 GMT, phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) said:

Su% In article <1dl42oINNop9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jwh3@po.CWRU.Edu (Junwei W. Hou) writes:
>(1) preventing gloss violations of internationally recognized human
>rights, including workers' rights, in  China and Tibet; 

Su% Tibet is a part of China.  To put Tibet at the same position as China is
Su% wrong.

	Did U.S.A. government recognize Tibet as a part of China?  If
so, is What those U.S.A. parliament members did against the law?

--ming
--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ml23@quads.uchicago.edu (mei  lu)
Subject: looking for a friend
Reply-To: ml23@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
  I am looking for Mei(2) Xiao(4)chuen(1) who was my old classmate in Beijing Experimental middle school attached to Beijing Normal university. All I know is that he is in the US. If anybody knows him, please send me a mail at ml23@quads.uchicago.edu, or have him contact with me. I will appreciate your kind help.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:38:00 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: China's Election Procedure (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.045017.9298@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> 
yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>
>First I want to say whatever mathematical problem you are applying
>(which I think I deleted, sorry) to the voting procedure in China
>is applicable to the US presidential election as well. So if the 
>head of China represents 0.00001% of the Chinese people, the US
>president represents 0.00001% of the American people.

Sorry, you might have missed the point in the original posting:

In the U.S., if one wins in his/her electoral distrinct or state, he/she
will be elected as representative/senator of his/her distrinct/state.

In China, one has to win through all of the local distrinct election, 
County/City  People's Congress election and Provincial People's Congress
election to make him/herself into the National People's Congress, the chances 
for those with different opinions (with the party/gov't) to go thru the
"screening process" are very slim.

>Second, we Chinese don't pay taxes at home. But the central government
>gets a much larger share from the provinces, which in turn taps into
>the factories/farms we work at and rips away 90% what we produced,
>leaving 10% to our pocket. So we Chinese are heavily taxed in this sense.

Sorry again, the humor in the original posting was not a good one, "we
Chinese are generally not taxed at home :-)"  :-)

>About whether the Chinese officials gets their money from the government
>or the taxpayer, don't you think whatever money the government has comes
>from the taxpayer?

Third Sorry, sense of humor was lost again :-)  The original posting was 
talking the delegates were paid by the gov't instead of taxpayers so whom 
they really represent is a big question  (certainly the gov't rip off Chinese
people, but let's express it in a nicer way "we Chinese are generally not
taxed at home" so as to make those China-lovers-from-abroad-only happier :-)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: E-mail to China
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
	<1992Nov6.024914.4535@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
	<1992Nov9.172022.90547@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
	<1992Nov9.181708.90550@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:19:30 GMT

### On 9 Nov 92 18:17:08 +1100, mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au said:

m% China is connected to internet via Carlsruhe Institute in Germany.
m% However, one has to pay to send and RECEIVE e-mail in China (small by Western
m% standdard but expensive for Chinese), therefore, except you know someone
m% there and willing to pay the fee. The users there will generally not respond.
m% E-mail a commond place in the affluent West is a previlege in China.


I had forfunately received e-mail from China, our motherland.

Many institutions in China have machines like vaxes, sparcstations.
There is no problem that users on those machines are using local mail.
And I'm pretty sure there are seperated LANs within these institutions
and users on these LANs can exchange mail locally.  I was told that
several higher-education institutes have had part of their LANs
connected.  And they have connection with internet thru 2 gateways in
Germany.  The internet emailable sites in China is expanding.  I don't
think they can do telnet or ftp.

I was told they pay 7 yuans/KB for the mail regardless sending or
receiving.  Normally, that is not paid by individual.

Rumor said in 1993 or 94, China may have full internet connection
(i.e. you could finger the users there by that time).  Maybe they can
read and post articles in SCC by then. :)

Hoping our country getting newer, younger...

--ming
--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
From: math1pf@jane.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who is God
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: jane.11NOV199223155438
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.024420.7561@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes...
>In article <11NOV199200101555@rosie.uh.edu> math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
>>Who is God ?
>>Was it God made man or man made God?
>>If there were God,then why America,the country built on the strong killing 
>>the weak,is the most prosperous country,why Japan,whose peole killed thousands
>>of thousands of Koreans,Chinese,is the most prosperous country? Why Germany?
>>Why England ?
>>I want to beleive in God,but I got stuck here.
> 
>That's because Chinese have killed more than the total of all the above
>countries have killed in history. So, the less a country has killed, the
>stronger it might be, it is consistent to God's policy, isn't it ?. ki
> 
>Yi-Chieh
I can only guess that you know very little history.
From: zhang-zhaohui@cs.yale.edu (Zhaohui Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Questions, History lovers
Date: 5 Nov 1992 11:12:39 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monkey.zoo.cs.yale.edu

In article 92077, Xu writes

>>From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu(Tuya)
>>Subject: Questions, History lovers
>>
>> (deleted)
>>          2.  Li3 Bai2 writes:
>>
>>              1 qi2 hong2 chen2 fei1 zi3 xiao4
>>              wu2 ren2 zhi1 shi4 li4 zhi1 lai2
>>
>>              ( A pi3 fu1 rides in red dusts and the emperor's wife
>>                   smiles,
>>                No one knows the lichi is coming)
>>
>>              Who is the wife, the emperor, the pi3 fu1, and where is
>>              the lichi from?

   >                     Here wu2 ren2 means wu3 ren2 (person called
   >                     wu3, actually Ms. wu3 ze2 tian1).
   >                     The poet hesitated to call Ms. Wu3 directly.
   >                     So it should be " None but Ms. Wu3 know
   >                     .....". That's why Fei1 Zi3 smiles
			
 			 It is just a joke, right?
			 Ms. Wu3 died before Ms. Yu4 Huan3 was born.

   >                      The verses were unlikely by LiBai
   >                      Hard to find this kind of verses is LiBai's.
   >                      Completely different style

			 Right, this is written by Du4 Mu4, not Li3 Bai2.

							Jeff Zhang
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Happy Birthday in English
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:52:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cmcl2.BxHByy.6FC
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University


	I've noticed that a number of families will sing
Happy Birthday in  English, phonetically if they don't speak
the language. Isn't there either a translation of the song
or some traditional song to take it's place?

---
memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Who is God
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183737.26453@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>
>How about let us throw in some numbers to see who knows who killed/kills
>more ?
>(1). American
>
>    10 to 15 million native American Indians killed +
>    .5 million killed during independent +
>    .5 million killed in Civil War +
>    2 to 5 million killed in WWI   +
>    5 to 10 million killed in WWII +
>    2 to 5 million killed in Korea War +
>    5 to 8 million killed in Vietnan War +
>    1  to 2 million homicide (since independent to now)  
>Total --------------------
>    26 to 46 millions killed 
>
>How about China ?  As claimed by CCP, it killed 60 million in less than 20
>years. How could any other country in this world to compete with Chinese in
>terms of people killed ?
>I wonder if there is really a God, should this God make Chinese strongest or
>weakest ?
>
>Yi-Chieh

Could you please list the source of your numbers also? Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:46:36 GMT

From article <9NOV199218202894@elroy.uh.edu>, by math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping):
>>>(deleted stuff)
> (deleted stuff)
> 
>    How about this joke : A female Chinese officer went with her interpretor
> to an airport to greet an American visitor. 
> When they met,the American said: "Oh,Miss ***,you are so beautiful !"  
> She responded with a typical Chinese modesty :" Na3 Li3, Na3 Li3 "
> But the interpretor translated it like this: "Where, where ?"

You haven't told the whole story. -- The visitor finally had to reply: 
"Everywhere!  Everywhere!"
--
From: jli@jordan.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ------- IFCSS's Letter to Hong Kong????? -------
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:15:22 GMT
Organization: University of Utah


	IFCSS issued a letter to HK Governor in the name of all Chinese
Students and Scholars in US.  IFCSS supported HK Governor and expressed
opinions against Chinese government on the issue of HK's future. My question
is not IFCSS's opinions are right or wrong but:

1.  When IFCSS represents me, can they tell me where the Chinese government
    and HK's Governor stand on the issue before making such a declaration?

2.  Can IFCSS be more NON-POLITICAL and focus more on the direct benefits of
    Chinese Students and Scholars in US?  Such actions by IFCSS can only
    make IFCSS officials more famous and willn't do a damn thing on us.


JLI
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	     RULE NO. 2:  IF YOUR BOSS IS WRONG, GO TO RULE NO. 1.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 13:59:53 CST
From: <U46382@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where to buy a PAL video camera?
Distribution: na

Indiatown at Chicago sells a lot of PAL things including video camera.
Do not know they have S & H service.
Maybe someone in soc.culture.india can help on this issue.
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:28:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

f0l8973@rigel.tamu.edu writes:

>Here are some of my personal favorite postings recently 
>found on the net.  Compare to the way people from Taiwan 
>speak Chinese, I believe we do speak better English.

(deleted stuff)

Hmmmmmm, what? What is this guy trying to say? Is he trying to make fun
of other people or is he making a fool of himself? Anyone?

ZZZ
From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:46:47 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <100796@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

[...stuff deleted...]
>Well, I think that is what Xiaolin Li wants to say, but he used to say in
>an emotional way.

I'd buy your point if "emotional way" lead to any reasonable arguments.


[...]
>Well, Xiaolin's "shame on you" may be emotional, but I value his point:
>We Chinese haven't lerned well yet, we need to learn what is democracy.
>-- 

You two might want to express the same thing but in different manners.
I understand your expression very well. However Xiao-lin's "Shame on you,
Chinese" is destroying my respect to him.

Chen Jian

[Your famous Sig. has been purposedly deleted, due to some restrictions
of the posting program from my site :-)]
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:35:38 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <1992Nov7.154454.18297@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, by yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu):
> In article <1992Nov7.042814.19074@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>>
>>Sorry I accidentally deleted the article written by a friend from McMaster 
>>(LI Xiaowen?) who asked me to tell everybody how gorgeous the Fall of Ithaca 
>>is.  First I would say the beauty is beyond description in any language and 
>>I would like to recommend you to have a look for yourself when next Fall is 
>>here (this Fall is escaping) since Ithaca is in Finger Lakes area which is 
>>close to Canada. -- We'll welcome you to our countryside!  
>>
>>Finally, instead of telling you something else, I'd warn you that this is 
>>also a good (maybe not ideal for painless...) place for suicide since lots 
>>of gorges, creeks, waterfalls, and woodlands are all around Cornell's main 
>>campus which sits on top of one of those rolling hills overlooking downtown 
>>Ithaca and Cayuga Lake.  
> 
> It's glad to know you guys at Cornell have somewhere to go if you end up
> like Lu Gang. :-) Now, is this just your thought or did many people actually
> committed suicide there?(any broken heart academics?)

I know. :-)  This does not just come from my imagination; my ex-advisor in 
China, who once visited the campus, first mentioned me this in his letter 
after I came here.  Also there are some kinds of rumors(?) about suicides 
--never heard of any Chinese did that yet -- they are all American undergrads
whose parents have to pay like $18,000/yr (in Engr) for them....  But the 
University always claims that this is a misconception...

BTW, I am so sorry for my mistake in presenting your name (looked at wrong 
line).
-- 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29694 talk.politics.china:2488
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:18:09
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:18:55 GMT

    From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
     * * *
    Tell me honestly, do you want to have a chance to vote. You may say 
    you don't care, you have too much to do. You may say even you had
    voting right, you might not use it. But do you want to have a
    voting right as humanbeing?
     * * *

Mx Li Xiao-lin, you sounded as if you have no right to vote.  May I ask you a
personal question: how old are you?  If you are over 18, I think you have the
right to vote as well as to be elected under all the commonsensical assumptions.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: my view about the vote in China and in the US
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:39:56 GMT

In article <2AFB878D.21935@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>Li Xiaolin can neither be voted in China nor in the US--this is a fact.
>Regardless how much Ma3Pi4 he Pai4-ed to the US society and communities.  
>Well, you Li Xiaolin could not be elected in China, because China does not 
>have the type of democracy you Li Xiaolin wanted.  But it seems that you 
>Li Xiaolin are pretty much satisfied with the US version of democracy, why 
>didn't they elect you as the US president?  That's the first impression about 
>the subject issue.
>

Well, I guess you are better than me, aren't you? 

I would still be satisfied if no one elect me as President,
either in China or in this country, because if I am ashamed
of that, almost every one (are you included?) should be
ashamed.

But not if I cannot vote for others. Particularly if am not
even ask for the voting right. I consider that as a shame.

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