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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.infosystems.* new groups
Date: 6 Sep 1992 11:37:44 -0400
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jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
: infosystems.inet.tech with the first group a bit like
: alt.internet.services, for announcements of available infosystems and

it would make ample sense to call a vote to move
	alt.internet.services to
	comp.internet.services
and just move the traffic in as it is.  (alt.internet.services is a good
group).

: comp.infosystems.www (or w3?)
: 
: for the world-wide web software.

Pick one name (c.i.world-wide-web, c.i.w3, or c.i.www), whichever, and I
think that would be a good group.

: Is it desirable to keep discussions on commercial infosystems (like
: Xanadu, Amix) separate?  If so, then perhaps also
: comp.infosystems.commercial?

Amix is verging toward vaporware.  It would be useful to have a place on
the net to talk about Dialog, Newsnet, Dow Jones News/Retrieval, etc. 
But I don't subscribe to any of those right now so I don't want to
organize a vote.

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From: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.frp.board (was Re: RFD: rec.games.rpg.board)
Date: 16 Sep 92 13:59:19 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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In article <92259.125954JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> In article <14SEP199220010348@rosie.uh.edu>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark
> Blandino) says:

>>Agreed.  Unless there are objections (which I doubt) I will change
>>the RFD to rec.games.frp.board
>>Tammy, lib1p@jetson.uh.edu

>  The proposed rec.games.frp.board duplicates at least
> two other existing newsgroups.
>  Hence, I can find no justification for the creation
> of this group at this time. If something were to happen
> to the other groups, then maybe, but not now.
> -- Jose L. Martinez --

 I disagree on this matter. Most "mecha" games such as Battletech and 
Robotech are seen by boardgamers as RPGs (Role Playing Games) and by
roleplayers as board games. Neither fitting either niche comfortably.
Warhammer 40k is also included in this category.

 With the amount of post for BTECH on rec.games.board there is enough
to consider a change. Especially as many r.g.boarders wish a removal
of Btech posting from their group.

 Hence there is no real duplication of newsgroups. Though possibly
rec.games.frp.board may more suitably titled rec.games.frp.battletech.
Considering the low Warhammer 40k postings and Robotech posts.
I do not wish an alt. grouping as this restricts my access :)

This has been....
 Tony Taia
  TAIA_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz, tai-shu@kauri.vuw.ac.nz
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.international
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:51:03 GMT

In article <BuAIuH.4st@uunet.uu.net> Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi> writes:

>Some have felt that comp.std.internat should be used for the topics
>proposed for comp.international, but the topic area isn't the same.

Comp.std.misc exists "for discussion of various standards."  I fail to
see how this group is inappropriate for the topics you mention.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:49:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.230203.20814@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>> [ stuff deleted ]
>>
>>
>>but - I was under the impression, at that time, that all areas of
>>antique cars, e.g., rods & customs, would be included - now, by your
>>statements in this posting, only "purists" topics will be allowed -
>>I guess I can take it you don't want any
>>input from me, or people like me who are not "purists"
>
>Combining these two groups of discussions (people discussing ordinary,
>stock factory 30's to late 60's cars and people discussing doing freaky
>things to them) are as different as *.msdos and *.unix, and belong
>in different groups.
>
>I don't want to sift through how to chop your 40's coupe, and put radial
>tires on it, and a blower.  If you're so interested in it, and there's
>enough of you out there, at least create alt.rape.your.car        
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
you don't have to get so testy about it

besides, you can scan what's in a topic area, so you don't have
to _sift through_ everything

besides, most people I know who are into restoration of a car have
respect for people who modify them, in fact a person I know who has
over 20 restored cars brings his cars to _rod_ events and enjoys 
talking with the _rodders_ on what they done with their cars, just as
much as the _rodders_ enjoy talking to him about his car(s)

>(or alt.autos.hot-rodding).  God, isin't there enough commercial
>publications/magazines that cover that kind of thing?
>

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From: enw2049@zeus.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Followup-To: news.groups
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:20:00 GMT

In article <Bu7tHM.9AF@uunet.uu.net>, lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
writes...

>Some months ago, I created alt.autos.antique.  There seems to have been
>sufficient traffic in that newsgroup to justify a discussion and vote
>on the creation of rec.autos.antique.
> 
>    This is a formal RFD or Request for Discussion.
> 
>When this post appears in news.announce.newgroups and other appropriate 
>newsgroups, it will signify the beginning of a thirty day period of
>discussion and suggestions both pro and con concerning the proposed
>newsgroup rec.autos.antique.  Following this period, a vote will be
>taken for or against the proposal.
> 

       Here is one verry strong vote IN FAVOR of r.a.a. .  I have 
       enjoyed most of the traffic on alt.a.a, but since my interest 
       in cars is 98% in antique autos, this new group would mean 
       greater efficiency & better use of bandwith for me.

>    Proposed Charter for rec.autos.antique

> 
>Definition:  Antique auto - Although the definition of an antique auto
>			    may differ in various circles, for the
>			    purpose of this newsgroup, an antique auto
>			    shall be any automobile, foreign or domestic
>			    manufactured more than twenty-five years
>			    ago.
> 
>Rec.autos.antique shall be a haven for discussion of all aspects of
                             *haven*  I like that-a place of our own ;-)
>antique autos.  Suggested topics may include:
> 
>    *  Discussion concerning location of parts for an antique auto.
>    *  Antique autos for sale or wanted.
>    *  Upcoming car shows featuring antiques autos, etc.
>    *  Questions and comment regarding antique car restoration.

       This is one of the main reasons I started reading a.a.a .  Hope-
       fully collecting material specific to the restoration & maintain- 
       ence of antique cars will be made easier on r.a.a.

>    *  History of various marques.

       Another good idea.  Lately there have been several requests for 
       info. on various makes.  For the extinct ones, r.a.a is more
       specific & appropriate.

>    *  Nostalgia - Reminiscing about cars (now antique) you or someone
>       else used to own.
> 
>Rec.autos.antique shall NOT be for the discussion for the non-stock
>modification, customization or souping up of antique autos.
> 

       Right on-no argument from this sector on that rule!!

>Let the discussion begin.
> 
       That's my $0.02 worth.   Good luck!

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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Moderated newsgroups
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:34:04 GMT
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shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson) writes:
: Could someone tell me please what the process would be for a newsgroup
: to change from being unmoderated to being moderated, if the participants
: of the group wished to do so?

Write a charter, find a moderator, and call a vote on a new moderated
group along the lines of the traditional usenet new group ritual.  Name
the new group so that readers of the unmoderated group will find it
easily, something like
	sci.math.research	(moderated sci.math)
	misc.best.of.usenet	(proposed moderated alt.best.of.internet)
	net.foo.digest		(hypothetical moderated digested net.foo)
The process will take the usual two months to test your stamina and
ability to count votes.

There is no well understood ritual for turning an unmoderated group into a
moderated one, so don't even bother to try - not worth the effort trying
to *both* create a new useful group and to alter the way things are done.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
From: merolajs@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (JOSEPH S. MEROLA DEPT OF CHEMISTRY VPI&SU)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.chem.organomet
Keywords: chemistry,organic,inorganic,organometallic,science
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:41:00 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BuL4M9.GpL@uunet.uu.net>, cabku01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Hartwig Kuehbauch) writes...
>Dear netters!
> 
>Another major part of todays chemistry is held by organometallic chemistry.
>A subject which seems to be totally unknown to the net. Therefore I want
>to initiate the discussion about a new newsgroup called
> 
>         sci.chem.organomet
> 
>This newsgroup could be a home for all chemists who work on organometallic
>chemistry, but also for all people who work on organic chemistry, because
>an organometallic chemist is always an organic chemist too!
> 
>So please, all you chemists out there, help me in getting this newsgroup
>online!
> 
>Regards
>           Hartwig Kuehbauch
>-- 






Being a practicing organometallic chemist, I certainly think this is an
excellent idea.  If there are enough people who read this group and who
have an interest in organometallic chemistry, it would be nice to start
the group.  Then, perhaps we could advertise its existence to the
organometallic chemistry community (via chem society newsletters) and
increase its participation.

Anyway, I'm all for it.









Joseph S. Merola
Department of Chemistry
Virginia Tech (aka VPI&SU)
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.games.abstract
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:50:57 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

In article <185bscINNr57@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>eychaner@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu says:
>>Monopoly there (a not very abstract board game)?  Yahtzee, or Boggle (rather
>>abstract non-board games)?  Sorry! (rather abstract board game)?  And Chaos
>
>Please, stop talking about family games.  Does anyone
> really discuss them?  Does anyone want to?  

I would assume such family games would stay with rec.games.board ... and well
they should.  The dividing line between "gamer" games (as some have called
them) and a family games is very thin and fuzzy, if it exists at all.  And
yes, here's one hard-core gamer who doesn't mind discussing and reading
about Monopoly.

Fred
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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:18:10 GMT

In article <BuBy7w.C0C@uunet.uu.net> rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>Introduction: There are several newsgroups in the alt.* hierarchy which
>are utilized for the discussion of various musical instruments.  The traffic
>in these groups and the degree of participation from posters to the
>rec.music.* groups indicate that it might be time to consider shifting
>these groups to rec.music.makers, creating another group, and renaming
>an existing group.

	I think we should just leave well enough alone. If it aint broke, 
don't fix it.

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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: RFD: rec.games.frp.board (was Re: RFD: rec.games.rpg.board)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.203503.15857@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, boyd@colonial.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Boyd) writes...

. stuff deleted....

>As people have mentioned when responding to the message of
>the person proposing this newsgroup, rec.games.RPG is a "bogus"
>newsgroup. It is NOT official.

I discovered this after posting the RFD.  I based the name on
information I was given by someone.  Obviously erroneous information.

>If you are going to create this newsgroup, a MUCH more appropriate
>name would be as follows:
>rec.games.frp.board

Agreed.  After discovering the error, I considered proposing this
myself.

>The person proposing this new newsgroup has already demonstrated
>a misunderstanding of the "FRP" while posting to the rec.games.frp.*
>hierarchy.

One post, one lousy post, and you are marked forever.  That post
was based upon information given by several people.  I pieced it
together and threw it out there for comments.  What I got was 
flames.  Jheez!

>If those interested in the subjects encompassed decide to pass
>this group, the name should really be changed to merge well with
>the established hierarchy of Usenet.

Agreed.

>Therefore, I propose changing the proposed name as follows:
> 
>REC.GAMES.FRP.BOARD
> 

Agreed.  Unless there are objections (which I doubt) I will change
the RFD to rec.games.frp.board

Tammy
lib1p@jetson.uh.edu
From: dseal@armltd.co.uk (David Seal)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.rpg.board
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:01:21 GMT
Distribution: news
Organization: A.R.M. Ltd, Swaffham Bulbeck, Cambs, UK

In article <BuL4M4.GoF@uunet.uu.net> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark
Blandino) writes:

>Request for new group: rec.games.rpg.board
>
>This is a proposal for a news group which would discuss those
>games containing elements of both role playing games and 
>board games.  The primary games under consideration are 
>Battletech/Mechwarrior and Warhammer/Warhammer 40K although
>is not limited to those two.  

The group idea is fine, but please either put it in the standard
role-playing games hierarchy (rec.games.frp.*), or make it a subgroup of the
standard board games group (rec.games.board). Which you choose depends on
which aspect you want to emphasise more; if you don't much care, I'd suggest
rec.games.frp.board, since it's simply adding to an existing hierarchy,
rather than creating a new one. This means you avoid such problems as
whether rec.games.board should be renamed as rec.games.board.misc, in
accordance with what has become standard Usenet practice when a hierarchy is
formed from a group.

With two possible legitimate hierarchies to put the group in, creating a new
hierarchy to put the group in is *not* a good idea. (Yes, I am aware that
rec.games.rpg exists in some places. It is a well-known bogus newsgroup...)

David Seal
dseal@armltd.co.uk

All opinions are mine only...
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.org.lpf.news moderated, comp.org.lpf.talk
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:05:08 GMT

In article <k6@byu.edu>, gritton@alaska (Jamie Gritton) writes:
>   While there is a definite need for an LPF newsgroup, I don't see
>the point in having two.

>Is there someone at the LPF that
>wants this group and would actually moderate it and post official
>announcements. I'd need at least that assurance before voting in a
>moderated group.

Here's email from Noah Friedman, posted with permission:

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 12:36:16 edt
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)

I have no experience moderating a usenet newsgroup, but I can probably
learn (unless you would prefer the job).  Our reason for wanting a
moderated newsgroup is for announcements and statements from the LPF
from time to time in a low traffic newsgroup that more people are
likely to be willing to stay subscribed to.  The unmoderated newsgroup
is definitely going to have a lot of flamage and detraction in it,
which many people are not going to be willing to read.

---------------

So, LPF supports the idea and would provide a moderator.

//Jyrki
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From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: alt.politics.democrats.* hierarchy
Originator: pjb4288@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:25:35 GMT

Was there ever a CFV or RFD for the splitting or creation of these groups???

I don't remember seeing it and yet it came up as a newgroup on my server.

Pete
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From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:59:32 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au

jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
>> sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne) writes:
>> > How about a periodic posting (every week or two weeks) in rec.arts.tv.uk
>> > and all the other groups that get a lot of B7 traffic, directing B7 
>> > discussion to rec.arts.sf.tv?
> [ draft posting ]

>	Any suggested additions, deletions, revisions are welcomed, as are
>further comments about whether this would be a good idea.
Yes, it is a good idea.  Maybe the posting could be a bit more
concise in the this-is-Blake's 7 bit (check out the para in the original
RFD, I think that put it slightly better) but otherwise, go for it!
I would much rather the Blake's 7 stuff had a home in rec.arts.sf.tv
than in an alt group.
Let the games begin!

Kathryn Andersen
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:06:01 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:

>Proposal A: Create rec.music.makers.guitar, and remove alt.guitar.
>Proposal B: Create rec.music.makers.bass, and remove alt.guitar.bass.
>Proposal C: Create rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature, and remove alt.guitar.tab.
>Proposal D: Create rec.music.makers.percussion.
>Proposal E: Rename rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.synth

I find this a logical, well-thought-out, efficient way of restructuring the
rec.music.makers situation.

I whole-heartedly endorse this set of proposals (for whatever that's worth =-)
and would likely vote yes on all the above proposals.  A well-done job.

-- 
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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:09:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.042423.18648@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.174452.27028@mlb.semi.harris.com> jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger) writes:
>> I object to the narrow definition of topics acceptable. Many of the current
>>participants (not just the one-question-Charlies) are using a.a.a. to discuss
>>topics such as proper restoration techniques and modifications to classic
>>cars. This is outside the proposed charter. It is not ouside the interests
>>of many who frequent the group. I did get one bit of net.cop.mail about a
>>post promising a review of a sheet metal welding tool - which is of interest
>>to restoration hobbyists - along with several positive responses.
>
>    Oh, that was you?  Your item didn't have any mention of cars, much
>    less antiques.  There *has* to be a newsgroup where your post would
>    have been much more appropriate.  I explained this to you and had
>    the decency to mail it rather than post it.
>
I have to disagree with this point. Sheet metal repair and fabrication is a
fundamental part of a restoration. Tools and techniques for the same should
be included in the discussion. I have an interest in learning more about
welding, but only as it applies to fixing cars. I'm really not interested in
plowing through a newsgroup discussing how to weld sewer pipes and exotic
alloys. If someone writes a post that says, "I'm experimenting with better
ways to weld up my car's frame and/or sheet metal" and then takes off on that
discussion, I think it's appropriate.

 
Ted Brooks
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