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From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 1965 Triumph Bonneville
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:59:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct15.185916.3725
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct15.180208.6033@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>klos@interlan.interlan.com (Patrick Klos):
>>I have a 1965 Triumph Bonneville in MINT condition.  Does anyone have any
>>idea what it would be worth.  I think it has less than 15K miles.  I'm
>>pretty sure most everything is original.  I appreciate any responses.
>
>About $5. $10 if you pay the shipping.
>
>
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>Dan Bidwa                             I believe nothing and in nothing.
>dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu       !disclaim!   I believe everything and in everything.

Will the noise every end?  The real answer is between $1000 and $3000 
depending on how original the bike is.  An original not so mint bike
will be worth more than a mint condition, but not original, bike.
Incidently, 15K miles on a Bonny may mean that it is due for piston
rings and/or a valve job.



--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:48:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Kawasaki copies everyone else!
Organization: Dances with Hawks
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:

GB> I rang one of the local Honda hsops to get a price on a Goof2, explaining 
GB> that it was between that and the ZZ-r600(zx-6).
GB> 
GB> The salesman said:
GB> 
GB> "Kawasaki never put out anything original or revolouionary. They always
GB> wait till someone puts something out and then copy it."
GB> 
GB> "What about the GPZ-900 (Ninja 900)" I asked
GB> 
GB> "Well, Suzuki had the katana and liquid cooled bikes were already out..."
GB> 
GB> I've never heard a bigger crock of shit in my life. What other inovations 
GB> has the Big K brought out which I can shove right up thid guys arse!
GB> 
GB> More trivia buy the way. In the UK the CBR cost about 300 pouns more than
GB> the ZZR and in Oz it is $200 cheaper!
GB> 
GB> Greg

  Who made those nasty three cylinder 2-strokes with a "step function" torque
  curve which Kawasaki used as copy fodder?

  Cheers,
  Victor "Whadda ya mean this thing power wheelies in third?" Johnson
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From: cc05@bunny.gte.com (Charlie Cormier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Gold Wing Sub-Group: Any Interest?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:42:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Mac Consultant

In article <1992Oct7.020814.17067@bnr.ca>, mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael
Beavington) wrote:
> 
> In article <1asv1jINNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> |> In article 061092145458@kfps-24-dyn-7.gte.com, cc05@bunny.gte.com (Charlie Cormier) writes:
> |> >Please send E-Mail if you're interested in participating in a newsgroup for
> |> >Gold Wing enthusiasts. If enough favorable replies are received, I'll look
> |> >into making the arrangements.  Thanks.  Cc. (Member GWRRA)
> |> 
> 
> Another problem is the bloody HUGE bandwidth the Leadwing would
> take up. The rec.motorcycles.goldwing subgroup would require 
> extra supports...maybe a hydrolic link. Better yet, maybe move
> the subgroup to a group that can handle the size...
> rec.buildings.two-wheeled. ;-).
> 
> 
> =============================================================================
> = The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
> = Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
> = (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
> = Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
> =============================================================================
You're right, of course.  Last weekend the son of a friend called my 'Wing 
"The Q.E. II"!  But hopefully the correspondence wouldn't be quite as
massive...
Cc
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:41:40 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Oct13.212525.709@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
> In article <1bf3atINNs4c@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 16332@husc3.harvard.edu, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct13.152140.8162@news.yale.edu> 
>>>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>>>Seeing as Harley basically sells it's entire production NOW, how is
>>>>it going to sell more bikes by building sport bikes?
>>>
>>>If they make more bikes, they can sell more bikes.  
>>
>>Wrong.  They can only sell bikes to people that want to buy them.  Just
>>because they sell every Harley bike they make now does not mean they
>>can sell 7 sportsbikes.
> 
> HD (when owned by AMF) had it's largest production run in history.
> I forget the year but it was in the early seventies.
> The problem was the lack of quality control.  So many bikes
> had to have warranty work done that HD posted a loss.
> Producing more bikes doesn't lead to more profit.

producing more bikes of similar or better quality as they are doing
now probably will produce more profit.

> Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
> Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7

if not now, when?  when you're old and grey?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: emgg1058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Gaertner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: used bike maitenance (81 Hon CM400)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:56:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4Huv.J8q
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hey,

I just bought my first bike and I have a few questions for the experts.

There is some rust in the tank. Awhile ago people were talking about 
'Kreeming' the tank. If anybody has the conversations on file or knows 
anything about it, I'd like to know.

I plan to repaint the tank, is there a recommended clearcoat finish that will
withstand gasoline?

how difficult is it to replace the rear brake pads on an '81 Honda CM400T?



Thanks,

*************************************************************************

Matt Gaertner               
University of Illinois      "Obviously I don't love her for her body"
Urbana-Champaign            
emgg1058@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   

*************************************************************************
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What to do with old battery?
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:44:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Oct14.214402.1182
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Oct14.122603.671@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>In article <3880151@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, aliamus@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Steve Aliamus) writes:
>
>> - the left over battery acid from the new battery?  It came in a plastic
>>   container, and there is still about a cup of battery acid in it.
>
>if you are a resident of san francisco, you can bring noxious
>chemicals to the recycling place near the cow palace, right off 101.

Or, if you aren't, you can get a big box of baking soda, dump it
into a bowl, and slowly add the acid.  When it has stopped foaming
(and adding more baking soda doesn't cause more foaming), you can wash
it down your kitchen sink.  Didn't the battery instructions say this?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:21:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) says:
> 
> A major manufacturer of urban city transit busses is Flexible (sp?) which is
> made in Ohio.  Their specialty is kneeling busses that can lower the front
> end for easier entry by handicapped persons.

That's Flxible. And they started out life making sidecars for motorcycles!

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: marrevola@iris-dcp.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ZX-11 problem.
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:27:25 +0100
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

I'm getting mad with a problem in my ZZr-1100 (ZX-11). When I open the throtle
of my bike, it responds with an instantaneous lack of power and then goes
perfect. This happens at all rpms and in all gears. I revised valve clearances,
carburettors sincronization, changed spark plugs, etc, etc....
The bike has 10000 miles and I took a great care of it.
No one in Spain has an answer for this (HT leads, low speed mixture, ignition
timing?????).
Thanks in advance.

manolo@taf.fundesco.es

(Do you know that a RF-200 Shoei helmet costs $400 in Spain, or that a 4-1
Yoshimura exhaust system costs $800 ?).
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:51:24 GMT

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

>Some months ago Road Rider did scratch tests on various face
>shields.  As I recall Shoei was the most scratch resistant, with
>Arai a real close second and the rest of the manufacturers a distant
>third.  The only thing that seriously scratched my Shoei was a face
>plant on asphalt at about 40. :-(

You know, if you wore an open face helmet instead of a full face, you
wouldn't have to worry about scratching up your face shield like that.
:-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: oliver@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Oliver Weatherbee)
Subject: Re: Which side do you mount up from?
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:23:17 GMT

In article 719214752@marsh, barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:

> 
> Tell me, If  the tank on your bike was at 50% capacity, would it be half
> empty or half full????
> 
> Now that's deep.
> 
> Greg
> 
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Ex Minister of Propaganda for the QMS Emperor. sigs are overated. 1st yrs suck:)
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Neither, its just too damn big.

O.

"I'm not really an asshole, I just play one on the net."


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: 105 MPH (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:34:52 GMT

john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>Sunday October 11 1992 22:17, Curtis Jackson wrote to All:

> CJ> Uh, oh. One of them HP hardware junkies. How's about if somebody called
> CJ> the payphone at Alice's and said, "He's leavin' now." and the person at
> CJ> the other end said, "OK, I looked at my watch." and waited for him to
> CJ> show up. I know this is infinitely cruder than encoded digital satellite
> CJ> communications and cesium timers, but it just *might* work.

>I believe the method is even simpler. You leave at 0600, and the stopwatch
>at the other end starts ticking at 0600. Honor among thieves, as it were.

Of course the rider could always carry the stopwatch along with him. But
then you might have some time dilation errors to deal with.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:14:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.232504.7501@megatek.com> megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.170933.24206@athena.mit.edu> goblin1@athena.mit.edu
>|(Ihab A Elnaccash) writes:
>|I was wondering if anyone could tell me a little about these in their various
>|incarnations, i.e. the custom, the supersport the F, the K, etc.

>  I can do that (tell you a *little* about it :-).  I learned to ride street
>bikes on a 1979 CB750F SuperSport.  The F model *is* the "supersport".  It
>is a standard style (which feels like a huge touring rig to me now - my
>brother still owns it), inline four, aircooled, chain drive, putting out
>about 77 hp (as I recall).

On the manufacturer's dyno.  Maybe 60 or 65 at the rear wheel.

>Known problems included one of the internal
>chains getting excessively loose and making a audible slapping noise in
>the engine.

The cam chains tend to eat up the hard rubber material
on the tensioners.

>  The K model was (is) a cruiser, the F or "supersport" model is a "standard"
>style by today's conventions.

The K model is a "standard" style touring bike with four
separate mufflers that is pretty similar in overall
appearance to the 1969-78 single-cam Honda 750.  It has a
single brake disk on the front wheel and a drum brake on
the rear.

The F model or SuperSport has a longer wheelbase and slower
steering than the K, two disks up front and a disk rear
brake, ComStar wheels rather than wire spoked wheels,
four-into-two exhaust system, and different styling, with a
longer, narrower gas tank and something that looks
suspiciously like a plastic impression of a muscle-car
spoiler behind the seat.

The C model is the cruiser, with a smaller teardrop-shaped
tank, pullback handlebars, and a different style four-
into-two exhaust than the F model (I think).  Otherwise,
it's similar to the K.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths/RR Comments
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:10:38 GMT


In article <1992Oct9.123831.26552@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
--I must point out to you that some of us cannot understand why anyone
--would want a 900RR, or any other sport bike for that matter.

randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)writes:
- I *do* understand that.  Nor do I have a problem with it - I'm not sure I
-like the riding position of a 900RR that much, myself, but I haven't put any
-miles on one to know for sure.  I might, I might not.  I originally thought
-sport-bike styles looked stupid when I saw my first Katana back in 1980 or so.
-My first bike was a "standard" style, since I also didn't like cruisers
-After riding a number of different bikes, I decided that, no matter *what*
-they looked like, I liked the *abilities* of sport-bikes more than anythere.
-Now, of course, I like the looks of them :-).

For me the riding position of the RR is no more uncomfortable than an
FJ1100.  Its the short wheelbase, stiff suspension and seat which make
for a rough ride, especially on freeways with expansion joints.
Of course on twisty roads, who cares, this thing is magic.
As an all around bike I wouldn't choose it.  I'm currently looking
for a used touring bike (FJ1200, ZX1100,CBR1000).  Anyone have one
for sale?

Harley comment..  Are these things really investment vehicles?  I
suppose if you made it your goal, you could buy and sell them for
profit, but for someone who buys one primarily to ride, I doubt
they appreciate 10 or 20% per year (net) which would be my definition
of an investment.  Maybe I'm missing something here, but my experience
with spending mega $$$$ on cars and motos indicates the investment
part is in the experience of riding and working on this stuff, not
in the monetary return which has always been negative for me.

As far as the best single moto/brand goes, I don't think one exists. Every
self respecting motorcyclist should have a goal of at least 5 bikes.
Here are mine as of 10-15-92...

CBR900RR   knarly, twisted roads with long sweepers
ZX1100  Hiway 50 Nevada
9?BMWK1100RS 3 flags every year
DUCATI 851 Laguna Seca/PIR/SIR/Road America
HARLEY CUSTOM SPORT ALA NICK I. Skyline/Alices

--Terry

plus

Any 250 GP replica for CLASS
18 lb Merlin titanium mt bike for blowing off Laz
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:04:35 GMT

In article <dbc-131092123117@b62003.student.cwru.edu> dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.110610.16328@husc3.harvard.edu>,
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) wrote:
>> 
>> Well, too bad for them then.  I think a manufacturer ought to adapt to the
>> demands of the market, not the other way around.  As evidenced by the
>> number of people still trying to race their agrarian machinery, Harley
>> loses a lot of customers by not building sport bikes.  I think even the
>> factory has come to recognize this by instituting the 883 racing class, and
>> making a lot of noise concerning their perennial race bike development
>> efforts.
>
>Uh, HD sells every bike they make, each year.  It sounds to me like
>they have a pretty good idea about what their market is.  Does
>any other manufacturer sell out their entire product line every 
>year?

Motorola sells every cellular phone it can make, with assembly lines running
at full capacity.


>
>| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
>| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
>| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
>| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |


-- 
=> Dan DeClerck                      |  EMAIL: dand%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com   <=
=> Motorola Intl Subscriber Group    |                                    <=
=>                                   |  Phone: (708) 632-4486             <=
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I won? (NOT!) [Hey Sebastian!]
Date: 8 Oct 1992 20:57:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 18896@adobe.com, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <1b1vqpINNrhr@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>}The original poster hit the front quarterpanel of the cage.  He has a
>}shot at successfully blaming the cager.
>
>Nowhere did
>he say "front" in connection with that body panel, 

Sure he did... in e-mail.  :^)

Sorry, I couldn't remember, and I thought it was in his post.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stealth Bra
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:23:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services

>In article <Stafford-161092112514@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>A local sports care nut said that 'stealth bras', which
>absorb radar are available for cars.  True?
>
In article <1992Oct16.181455.980@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>Yes, this is true.  What value are they?  Probably very limited without taking
>other actions to reduce radar cross section if the vehicle.  

  I talked to some people in a company in Denver that makes these things
about two years ago.  They said it won't hide your car from highway
robbers, of course; it only reduces your radar crosssection.  The front
of the car, right around engine level, seems like a pretty effective place to
do this thing.  Consider the old 'vette, which was supposed to be
a "license to speed," since it was mostly fiberglass and sported
a radiator tilted down into the pavement.
  They told me the owner of the company drove a 911; without the bra it was
detectable -- was it 2000' or more (jeez, it's been two years) --
down the road.  The bra knocked it down to 500'.
  What it does is gives you that much more time to see the problem
before he nicks you.  I've never done a side-by-side comparison
of cars with- and without-, so I can't personally attest to their
effectiveness, but it seems like a pretty good idea.
From: merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rutgers (was: Re: Newbe Flamewars, was: MSF: BRC or ERC?)
Summary: cages, cages, and more cages....
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:33:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct7.184334.11887@nsscmail.att.com>, cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:
> In article <1992Oct4.165433.3208@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> 
> [ stuff about Kretz vs. Merenda deleted ]
> 

thank god..... :-)


> >These guys aren't worride about the not.police, obviously they have never
> >heard that DoD is self policing ...  we get our own when necessary.
> 
> >Is anyone near Rutgers, that can take care of this little problem?
> 
> I occasionally ride thru the New Brunswick Campus on my way home from
> work.
> 
> But, on my Gold Wing, if it had doors and windows, they'd be locked
> and rolled up respectively!!
> 
> New Brunswick (Rutgers) not my first choice of riding routes!


well, if you think that the area that Rutgers is in is bad, you should
see the area that i LIVE in!
but really, has any one else across the country have the same
problem that i seem to encounter here? the people that go to school
here seem to have NO CLUE whatsoever as to how to drive.
for example, two weeks ago, this girl with HUGE hair looked right at
me and wait until i was about 10 feet from her, and then proceeded to 
pull out in front of me and cross the road to make a left turn.
needless to say, i just locked my rear brakes and squeezed my fronts
and prayed, i really thought that i was going to buy it. but since i
was only doing 25 mph,  i got lucky enough to miss her by about 3
inches. but it scared the s**t out of me. and the whole time she was
looking RIGHT  at me, like why the hell was I even THINKING of hitting her 
little cage, and how i should just stop and let her go. i guess she
just didn't have a clue as to not pull out *RIGHT* in front of
someone. i know that we all have our everyday close calls,
but i find that i have to be really, really careful by RUTGERS. the
people here are idiots, i should know, i am one of them. but i was 
just wondering if anyone else noticed a similiar pattern by other
colleges? 

peace. ride safe.

-frank merenda-

DoD#0723  /  KotC (coffee)