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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Rookie of the Year Prospects
Date: 31 Dec 1992 20:44:24 GMT
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chrisq@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Quaranta) writes:
> off in Winnipeg.  Namely, they are Joe Juneau of the Bruins, and Teemu
> Selanne of the Jets.  (I'm going to leave Lindros out of this for now since
> he's gotten too much air time on this net already 8-) )  Juneau has posted
> totals of 13-36-49 (+17), while Selanne is at 28-21-49 (-9).  These are
> pretty comparable totals if you consider the conventional wisdom that says
> Juneau is more of an all-around player while Selanne is concentrated in the
> offensive end.  But putting these images behind, what do you think of each of
> these players? 

Since I moved to Colorado, I haven't got to see Winnipeg play this year.  
Juneau I'm more familiar with.  Points for Selanne:  1) He's the main 
offensive threat on his team, and has accomplished what he has while 
(I would think) he is personally the man other teams want to stop. 
Juneau is the #2 gun on his line; oates is the main one.  So Juneau 
has more help in scoring than Selanne does.   Points for Juneau, he 
plays on a team not known for its scoring, esp. without Neely.  He 
is a good all-around player, and he's *tough*.  

Walter
From: brucem@logiconultra.com (Bruce Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL All Star games
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: brucem@logiconultra.com (Bruce Madsen)
Organization: Logicon_Ultrasystems

In article <24519@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)  
writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.153956.12264@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> cliffr@pyuxf.uucp  
(25347-roberts) writes:
> >I need some help with a question.  Someone here wants to know where
> >this years and next years all star games are being played.
> >
> 
> 
> NHL All-Star games to be played:
> 
> 1993 Montreal
> 1994 ? (The lights are on but noone is home today)
I'm not sure, but I believe that the bright lights of Broadway is where the 94  
game  is being played.  Which is nice for J.D. as he won't have to fly  
anywhere.

> 1995 San Jose
> 
> Stan
> net contact: LA Kings
> 
> 
> 

bruce - Kings fan
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL Swedes: Stats December 22
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:37:18 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden


        #=========================================================#
        | Scoring stats for the Swedish NHL players as of Dec. 22 |
        #=========================================================#

RL Rk Name             Team J# Ps Ht   Wt  Born      G  A  Pts  PW  Comment
-- -- ---------------- ---- -- -- ---  --- --------  -- -- ---  --  -------
    1 Mats Sundin       QUE 13 C  6-2  189  2/13/71  23 32  55   4
    2 Tomas Sandstrom   LAK  7 LW 6-2  207  9/ 4/64  12 19  31   -  Injured
    3 Ulf Dahlen        MIN 22 RW 6-2  195  1/12/67  10 17  27   1
    4 Calle Johansson   WAS  6 D  5-11 205  2/14/67   6 18  24   0
    5 Fredrik Olausson  WIN  4 D  6-2  200 10/ 5/66   6 18  24   0
    6 Johan Garpenlov   SJS 10 LW 5-11 185  3/21/68   6 18  24   2
 9  7 Thomas Steen      WIN 25 C  5-10 195  6/ 8/60   6 12  18   2
 7  8 Nicklas Lidstrom  DET  5 D  6-2  180  4/28/70   1 17  18   1
10  9 Ulf Samuelsson    PIT  5 D  6-1  195  3/26/64   2 15  17   2
 8 10 Tommy Sjodin      MIN 33 D  5-11 190  8/13/65   5 11  16   0
   11 Mikael Andersson  TBL 34 LW 5-11 185  5/10/66   5  8  13   0
13 12 Michael Nylander  HFD 36 LW 5-11 176 10/ 3/72   2  8  10   2
12 13 Roger Johansson   CAL 34 D  6-1  185  4/ 7/67   2  7   9   0
   14 Jan Erixon        NYR 20 LW 6-0  196  7/ 8/62   3  4   7   0  Injured
   15 Per-Erik Eklund   PHI  9 LW 5-10 175  3/22/63   1  5   6   1
   16 Tommy Albelin     NJD  6 D  6-1  190  5/21/64   1  2   3   0
      Kjell Samuelsson  PIT 23 D  6-6  235 10/18/58   1  2   3   0  Injured
   18 Peter Andersson   NYR 25 D  6-0  187  8/29/65   0  3   3   0  Binghamton
   19 Thomas Forslund   CAL 27 LW 6-0  185 11/24/68   0  1   1   0  Salt Lake
   20 Patrik Carnback   MON 20 LW 6-0  189  2/ 1/68   0  0   0   0
   21 Patrik Kjellberg  MON 27 LW 6-2  196  6/17/69   0  0   0   0  Fredericton
   22 Per Djoos         NYR 44 D  5-11 176  5/11/68   -  -   -      Binghamton

 Name             Team J# Ps Ht   Wt  Born      MP  GA SO GAA  SOG SV%
 ---------------- ---- -- -- ---  --- --------  --- -- -- ---- --- -----
 Tommy Soderstrom  PHI 30 G  5-9  163  7/17/69  180 10  0 3.33  86 0.884

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RL=Rank Last week, Rk=Rank, J#=Jersey Number, Ps=Position
G=Goals, A=Assists, Pts=Points, PW=Points scored since last Week
MP=Minutes Played, GA=Goals Against, SO=Shut Outs,
GAA=Goals Against Average, SV%=Saving Percentage

Staffan
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From: ua256@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Tom Moffat)
Subject: Whats wrong with Linden
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:18:38 GMT



What is wrong with Trevor Linden of the Canucks?
    He doesn't seem to have any hustle in him this year. He just
went downhill since the strike last year and still seems to be sulking 
about it this year. 
   He no longer bangs and crashes the boards like the Linden of old. He just
waites for everyone else to do the work and set him up. 
He must be physical to be productive IMO.
Maybe taking the Captain away from him would get him going or maybe that would
just set him back further but It seems like he puts too much pressure on him self
[A
and forgets how to play old style hockey.   He cant play with a lot of finesse because he is a banger and a crasher. 
Some one please get him going    He used to be one of my favorite players now I think he is stinking the place out.

Tom 
-- 
Tom Moffat
Victoria .B.C.
Canada
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Trade Rumour
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.222940.15547@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>umli0052@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sheng Li) writes:
>>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>>I doubt that Joe Murphy could play well for Pat Burns...
>>
>>Clark is too old to fit in Edmonton's long range rebuilding 
>>plan and Murphy and Tikkanan are two loose canons.
>
>As I sit here without proof, my trick knee is throbbing and I'm
>getting the feeling that either Murphy and/or Tikkanen (esp. Esa) will
>end up in a Rangers uniform by the weekend ... With Olczyk, Neil Smith
>can now bundle a package over to Glen Sather with or without Eddie and
>get a saner roster (they're carrying 27 or 28 players right now, and
>can't splice a couple of bodies together to make a complete player).
>With the extra Ranger bodies, Sather can let go of Bernie Nicholls
>for Kevin Todd of the Devils without suffering on the scoreboard in
>the interim.
>

One of the rumours I picked up today is that Sather is talking to
New Jersey...and not only about Nicholls, but about Murphy (Brooks
would be a good coach for Murphy)...supposedly Sather is interested
in Claude Lemieux, but the Devils want to unload Richer.

So a Devil-Oiler blockbuster is a possibility...

I really can't see an Oiler-Ranger trade...with Amonte, Gartner, and
Kovalev...I don't see where Murphy would fit in...unless it is one
of those Manson and Murphy for Patrick, Kovalev, and Weight type of
deals...since the only player the Oilers have that the Rangers really
have a need for is Manson...but I thought that perhaps the Rangers
might have cooled on that since Kovalev began scoring regularly...
and giving up Manson, sort of almosts concedes the last playoff spot
to Winnipeg, unless there is another deal for a defenseman in short
order (perhaps Nicholls would go to the Devils for a defenseman).

Sather wouldn't be interested in Olczyk...he's about to move into
the near million dollar salary range when the NHL finally gets around
to getting the arbitration done.

I haven't seen a rumour anywhere that the Rangers would be interested
in Tikkanen...has this appeared in the New York media.

Well, if Sather decides to have a busy week, I could live
with

Manson and Tikkanen to New York for Patrick, Kovalev, and Weight.
Nicholls to New Jersey for Danneyko.
Murphy to Chicago for Kravchuk (and maybe Krivokrasov).

I don't really want Clark or Pearson...or any part of the Toronto
deal.

Gerald
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Canada-Sweden
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.150640.3373@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.125903.26217@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.083134.3241@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>>>>> I had been looking forward to watch "the next Lemieux", Alexandre Daigle,
>>>>> but he didn't show much skills in this game, at least not any positive
>>>>> skills because halfway through the game, Daigle made an ugly cross check
>>>>> straight in the face/neck of Kenny Jonsson. A major penalty was called and
>>>>> Daigle was gone for the game.
>>>>
>>>>I noticed you neglect to mention that Markus Naslund received a similar
>>>>penalty for a wicked slash to Tyler Wright's neck in the 3rd period...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Markus Naslund took the blame for the loss after that stupid slash. It 
>>> was only his third game penalty ever. Naslund said he intended a slash,
>>> that's a common part of the game being one man down, but no way did he
>>> mean to slash that high... it was accidental.
>>>
>>
>>Yes...we all know...
>>...Naeslund's slash was accidental...Daigle's was intentional! -)
>>
>
> Daigle didn't slash anyone... he cross checked Kenny Jonsson.
> Take a steady grip with two hands on the stick and cross check
> someone's neck against the boards... I don't know how that could
> be seen as accidental.

The Swedish player was falling at the time, which change it from
an intended cross-check across the body, to an accidental one across
his neck.

> Naslund intended a slash... but it was accidental that it hit
> Wright's face.
> Anyhow, both Daigle's and Naslund's actions had nothing to do with
> hockey... they got well-deserved penalties and were rightfully ejected
> from the game.
>

Agreed!

Gerald
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Date: 25 Dec 92 08:25:25 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Dec25.033941.12655@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:


>The junior team has a hell of a lot more preparation time than the
>various NHL All-star teams will...actually since 1977, I think, the
>total is something like Soviets/Russians/CIS 9, Canada 5, Finland 1,
>Sweden 1...Gretzky played on a junior "All-star-team"  in the late
>seventies, so the 1982 date is certainly incorrect.

I believe that in Finland (and Sweden as well) the Junior teams have
even less time to practice together than the National team. 

>The success of the junior tournament and other younger age-group 
>tournaments is actually an argument for an age-group Olympic tournament
>with an age-limit of say around 23...because then essentially all
>the top six hockey countries in the world would be equally competitive...
>and would be a showcase tournament for the emerging stars...rather
>than a chore for multi-million dollar professionals.

I am afraid you do not know what you are talking about. If you put an
age limit of 23 yers and you do not have a break in the NHL and the
top leagues in each of the participating countries around the world,
(and if you have the break, why not have the stars performing in the games)
then there will not be top talent in the Olympic games, because no
team is letting their (under 23) stars to the olympic baby cames.
To get the stars (of the agegroup) involved you have to but the age 
limit under 17. While you are in the busines, why not drop it to the
pee wees. :-).

- Lauri Tarkkonen


>Gerald
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Hawks News 12-21
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:21:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.221832.17525@news.acns.nwu.edu> scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Scholvin) writes:
>
>The search for a left wing to skate with Roenick and Larmer continues. In the
>last three games, I've seen Hudson, Lemieux, Gilbert, and Brown take their
>chances. I think Sutter ought to stick with Brown, or un-mothball Goulet.
>Lemieux and Gilbert are major parts of this team, but neither is the finesse
>guy that needs to play with those two All Star caliber scorers. Hudson appears
>to be clueless altogether these days, most at home on a line with Stu Grimson
>where scoring a goal would be a wondrous surprise.
>

Joe Murphy was made to play with Roenick, and all Sather wants is
Kravchuk and Krivokrasov...somebody should tell Pulford to go for it.

Gerald

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Trade Rumour
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:08:58 GMT

In article <Dec28.232246.64202@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>>
>>>I doubt that Joe Murphy could play well for Pat Burns...Burns cannot
>>>tolerate individuality...some players can play in a totalitarian
>>>environment...I don't think Joe Murphy is one of them. 
>>
>>I agree with Gerald's comments, in addition, Toronto will lose such a character player like Wendel Clark, who is so much liked by the fans.  I don't think it will be a good trade for either team.  Clark is too old to fit in Edmonton's long range rebuilding plan and Murphy and Tikkanan are two loose canons.
>>
>
>I think far more important than how Murphy would get along with Burns is how
>he fits in with his potential linemates, like Cullen for example. As far as 
>Wendel Clark is concerned, with character players like him, who needs
>enemies!!!
>

Pat Burns has already destroyed the confidence of every young player in
the Leafs organization in half-a-season...Potvin, Manderville, Pearson,
Sacco, Berehowsky, etc.  In Montreal, there was Laperierre and Ruel to
build the young guys back up...will Marc Crawford in St. John's be as
effective in doing this as Montreal's behind the scenes coaches...who
knows.

Burns will be Fletcher's albatross...Bob Johnson, he ain't! 

Gerald

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From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Kings trade Kudelski
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:59:49 GMT



It was reported last night that the L.A. Kings traded Bob Kudelski
to the Ottawa Senators for Jim Thomson and another forward (whose
name escapes me at the moment -- I apologize!).  Kudelski had been
frustrated with the Kings and Barry Melrose over his lack of play
time this season, and he was happy to be traded to the Senators as  
they would give him the opportunity to play regularly and show his
ability as a hockey player.

(If someone knows the name of the other forward the Kings acquired,
 please post --  Thanks!)

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!!


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 12/27
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:27:20 GMT

In article <2323@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.171443.6253@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>
>>* Among changes that Gary Bettman has on his list as commissioner
>>is the renaming of the divisions to North, South, East and West.
>
>It's about time! Hopefully,he'll revamp the current inter-divisional
>playoff format and make it a 1-8 format based on Conference standings.
>I remember the days when Hartford would get a playoff spot in the Adams
>with a below .500 record and one of the two non-qualifying teams in the
>Patrick would have a much better record than the Whalers.
>

The arenas in many cities were empty for early rounds of the playoffs
before the current divisional set up...how soon we forget.

With an unbalanced schedule, it is unfair not to take the top four
teams in each division...and taking four teams from each division is
a form of revenue-sharing which contributes to parity.  The
non-divisional setup also introduces a travel inequity for teams
in the Campbell Conference relative to the Prince of Wales...
for example...Vancouver, in the first round of the playoffs, might
have to make 4 three-time-zone difference transcontinental flights
in winning the first round, and then have to play an opponent in the
second round who played an entire series in one time zone...with the
current system, the total for such 3-time zone difference flights is
limited to four, with a 1-8 system...Vancouver could possibly have
12 such 3-time-zone flights and face an opponent in the Stanley Cup
finals who has played all their games in one-time zone.  The current
system minimizes the travel inequity in the playoffs. 

Gerald
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From: gautam@engin.umich.edu (Gautam Singh Grover )
Subject: Yzerman's worth and media influence (Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:53:05 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


In article <1h41f2INNket@access.usask.ca> gerry@skatter.usask.ca writes:

>Don't shoot the messenger right? So the ire in my post isn't directed at
>you Lori, I just have to know what is with these stupid Yzerman trades?
>
>Every one of the rumours I have seen so grossly under rates Yzerman's value
>that I fall out of my chair with howls of derisive laughter. Yzerman alone is
>worth more than Jagr,Stanton and Wregget(who the hell would want Wregget for
>anything but taking tickets at the door? He'd probably drop them.).
>
>To give some idea of Yzerman's worth, as a Habs fan I would consider a
>trade of something like Schneider,Hill and Dionne or Brunet as the *least*
>he's worth. Of course if they could get him for just Schneider I'd be
>ecstatic and immediately fall out of my chair again.
>
>There's only two conclusions I can have over these rumours 1) Murray
>seriously has his head stuck up his butt 2) the mediots are just showing
>off their nonhockey knowledge. I vote for #2, Murray can't be *that* stupid.
>--
Hear, hear - the kind of trades that I hear talked about for Yzerman 
are ridiculous. Yzerman is a franchise player, and he is worth much more to 
the Wings (and any other team!) than the 50 goals and 100 points he scores
year in and year out. Considering a Yzerman trade for Jagr, Stanton 
and Wregget seems to be the output of a demented mind, leave alone the 
Probert and Riendeau aspect of it. It amazes that people
post these "authoritative rumuors" without taking a minute to reflect 
on them. 

Which brings me to another question - how is Yzerman regarded as compared
to, say, people like Lafontaine, Pierre Turgeon, Roenick (who, in my opinion,
is another grossly underrated player) or Mats Sundin? 

People like Sundin and Nolan do not get enough credit just because they 
play in a remote outpost of the NHL. Players like Jagr, on the other hand,
get exaggerated media coverage just because they play for a champion 
team, and, of course, we know how many "fans" champion teams can suddenly 
developed. Jagr may be good, but comparing him to Yzerman is, as you 
say, laughable. 

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From: mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 12/22
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:21:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.033857.9869@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>Hopefully by now all interested parties have read Tom Wilson's review of the
>FLYERS brutal loss to the Lightning Sunday night. If not, Eric Lindros scored
>the first goal early off a steal by Recchi behind the Lightning goal line.
>Recchi made the perfect pass and Lindros converted. But it was all Lightning
>after that. I only had radio coverage, but Gene Hart conveyed just how bad
>the team was, so Tom's Lightning biased review can probably be taken as
>a good description...:-)
>
>Injuries:
>
>No changes for that game, but it was annouced today that Tommy Soderstrom's
>heart condition has still not been cured. The doctors have cleared him to
>play for one month, and after that time he will be re-evaluated.
>
>Lines:
>
>Dave Snuggerud took Andre Lomakin's place on the 4th line with Eklund and
>Brown. No other changes.
>
>That's about it for now. Lindros blasted the team's lack of effort in
>the press after the game. He complained that the problem is as much
>attitude off ice as it is on ice. Whatever that means. Sounds like a
>future captian, though, eh?
>
>pete clark - rsh FLYERS contact

Sounds like an overpaid crybaby.  I guess rude behaviour in bars does
not constitute bad "attitude off ice" according to Mr. Lindros, eh?

Michael Stern	mstern@wam.umd.edu	USDA-ARS/UMCP

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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: trade rumour as player motivator
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:42:53 GMT

In article <Dec30.173632.41212@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>Thus do some GMs and coaches purposely start these rumours in order
>to motivate slumping players?
>
>Smitty
>smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu

Actually, if they want to *really* motivate them, GMs start rumours that
the players are going to be traded here to Ottawa.  

Sigh...


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