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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Someone else will be offended
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:38:52 GMT

In article <18jedjINNmc@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>I think David has hit on an interesting point here.  It seems that a common
>thread amongst objections is the concern that someone else will be offended.
>It is my opinion that nude swimming, nude sunbathing and nude beaches are
>NOT offending to the majority of people.  However, a small and very vocal
>minority seem to have administrators and politicians scared.  That is coupled
>with a small and quiet minority of nudists who lack good surveys of public
>opinion and who are afraid to speak out for fear of repercussion from the
>fanatical anti-nude minority.

Not necessarily a "good" survey, but the following is from the Wreck Beach
Preservation Society's latest newsletter (#19):
      Great to see [the] results of the [Vancouver] Province [newspaper]/
      C-ISL [radio] "Good Morning Hot Line" poll which asked: "Are you
      offended by nude sunbathers?" (Sun., July 12, 1992).  The answer
      was "yes --- 20% and no --- 80%"! 

>Somehow, we in the nudist/naturist community need to be able to convince
>politicians and judges and administrators that allowing nude use areas
>will not result in a large public outcry for their removal.  (or will it?)

Unfortunately, the "immoral minority" cries out *very* loudly.


-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Voyers
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:53:10 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

OK Massed Minds:

	I've been flipping through the recent Nude & Natural which has
a long feature on the problems encountering California's Nude Beaches.
I noticed frequent mention of the problem of voyeurs lining the
cliffs, especially at places like Pirate's cove.  If I remember
correctly, this was not so much of a problem for the beach users
themselves, but one of the complaints community members had against
the nude beach in general.

	Now it seems to me that barring federal legislation, the only
barriers to public nudity are state and/or local statutes prohibiting
it.  It occurred to me that if local statutes can dictate behavior on
beaches, can they not also dictate behavior on the cliffs surrounding
nude beaches?  In other words, could the act of voyeurism itself be
prohibited by local ordinances?

	Not that I really want to advocate more rules.  But it seems
that if you define simple nudity as conduct that can be prohibited
by statute then so can other forms of conduct.  After all,
what's sauce for the goose, should also be sauce for the gawker.

Anyone have any experience with this?
	

Matthew R. Stein            | Disclaimer:
GRASP Laboratory            | Opinions expressed here are the result
University of Pennsylvania  | of random chaotic processes. Any resemblance
Philadelphia, P.A. 19104    | to real thought is purely coincidental.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 20:21:26 CDT
From: <U51405@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers : -)
 <1992Sep1.222611.15416@unislc.uucp> <1992Sep3.214835.18532@meadow.uucp>
 <1992Sep5.061010.24371@unixg.ubc.ca>

An acceptable philosophy to follow in order to deal with all this bullshit and
to go on to more important things in life is "PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY IDIOTS."

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From: elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg (West)
Subject: SE Asia
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:27:41 GMT


Does anyone know of any CO beaches in Southeast Asia?
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From: dking@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Dave King)
Subject: Body image
Summary: covering up with swimwear
Organization: RPI, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:50:15 GMT

	I was looking at an issue of Parents magazine today, and saw
an article on swimsuits designed to conceal the imperfections of new
mothers' bodies.  Each woman was shown in a "before" picture, wearing
an "unflattering" suit, and in an "after" picture with a "better"
suit.  Two things struck me about the article:

	1. Although the women all looked great in the "after"
pictures, wearing expertly tailored swimsuits, makeup, and hairstyles,
NONE OF THEM LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE READY TO GO SWIMMING.  Ready to
pose for fashion ads, yes; ready to enjoy the beach, no.

	2. I thought that the women looked fine in the "before"
pictures.  One woman in particular was wearing a bikini despite an
ample tummy, and I not only thought that she looked fine in it, I
couldn't see any need for her to cover up even that much.

	How sad that a magazine aimed at young mothers has to
reinforce the message that you have to hide your body if it doesn't
match someone's idea of perfection.  How much better it could have
been to depict a new mother's body as naturally beautiful, even though
it doesn't look like Barbie's.




--
David C. King - RPI Center for Integrated Electronics
dking@unix.cie.rpi.edu
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Nude College Girls?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.174629.11842@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>
>.........................but I would like to know if there are any college
>girls out there that practice nudity of some type or another (nude in groups 
>just by yourself.)
>
>The reason I ask is that there seem to be a WHOLE lot more guys posting as 
>compared to girls.

True there are a lot more guys posting but when I was still in school there
were a lot more women that actually participated. We'd usually go to
"unofficial", private out of the way places mostly during the spring
since most of us were gone home during the summer. I still do it on my own
mostly during the week rather than weekends 'cuz there's more privacy.
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: CO along the CA coast?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 06:03:21 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

>In article <185sqpINN3ee@network.ucsd.edu> I wrote:
>>Going past San Simeon you'll find nude beaches at Pfeiffer Big Sur and
>>Molera State Park.

In article <> hebo@hp850.mbari.org (Bob Herlien) writes:
>Really?  I've been to Pfeiffer often, but I didn't know there was a nude beach
>at Molera.  I assume you have to hike a ways, since the parking lot is a ways
>from the ocean, right?  Can you give directions?

The book "California's Nude Beaches" by Dave Patrick lists Andrew Molera
as having a nude section.  His book says "approximately two miles north
of Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park".  It also says "You might try coming clean
at the mouth of the Big Sur River; most of the nude activity is to the
south of it."  I think Daves book is on the optimistic side when it comes
to locating nude beaches.

>As for Pfeiffer, it's one of the most beautiful beaches on the west coast,
>IMHO.  However, it's hard to find (you would need good directions), and
>very windy much of the time.  The nude portion is down the beach to the
>right, past some rocks, but I've only actually seen people nude there on
>rare occasion, because of the wind.  In fact, I've only seen people with
>less than shirts, jeans, and often coats and jackets rarely, because of wind.
>But I love to go there just to walk on the beach.

I visited Pfeiffer over the Labor Day weekend, passed the turnoff twice
before finding it.  Again, I got the directions from Dave's book.  In N
magazine (Nude & Natural) 11.4 Pat O'Brien, Mollie Moore-Sullivan and a
few others review some of California's nude beaches and Pfeiffer is one of
them.  When the trail opened up to the beach at Pfeiffer I expected to
see a bunch of nude folk, I saw none.  I decided not to strip in front
of the families there and instead walked north until I passed a big rock
and discovered a stretch of relatively unpopulated beach (less than 1/2
dozen people on about 250 yards of beach).  Even though the wind was harsh
and cold I was determined to get in some altogether sunning and stripped
down.

I walked a bit, tested the water which was COLD, and then sat down to enjoy
my lunch.  The wind blew sand on my apple and sandwich.  I layed down and
my tan was sandblasted away.  After about 1.5 hours I determined I wasn't
in Southern California anymore and decided it was time to leave.

But I must say, the beach and rocks and even the water was beautiful.

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"
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From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subject: Re: Topless in Safeway
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.210124.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> phoogenboom@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>In article <HERMIT.92Sep8222349@am.ucsc.edu>, hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>> I saw a very unexpected sight recently: a topless woman shopping in
>> Safeway (a large supermarket, for those of you in other parts of the
>> world)!  Santa Cruz is known for its liberal attitudes on many topics,
>> but I never thought I would see that!
>> 
>[...]
>> Unfortunately, after witnessing some scurrying about by young male
>> employees, I later saw her wearing a shirt, so my guess is that
>> someone asked her to cover up.
>> 
>> But she didn't get in any legal trouble, as far as I know.
>
>Most health codes require shoes and shirts of all patrons of all restaurants
>and grocery stores, and any other place that sells food, for that matter.  Does
>anyone know why this is?
>
>Peter Hoogenboom
>phoogenb@ucs.indiana.edu

Well, the human body sheds skin flakes and hair all the time, I suppose.
Men do this more than women (at least for hair).  Hence the body coverings.
In some places foodworkers must wear hairnets if they have long hair.  But
if you can require a *customer* to wear shoes and a shirt, why not a hairnet
for them too?  I don't know.  Of course, good, oldfashioned prudery is
operating here, too.
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
 "People who sign their own .sig are just net.personality wanna-bees." --
 K. Cockrum
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From: jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (J. Hardy)
Subject: Re: nude legislation
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:46:19 GMT

In <1992Sep13.193550@IASTATE.EDU> malkor@IASTATE.EDU (Jason D Bowles) writes:

>This may sound militant(coming from a man), but I believe that if a person is
>charged with rape, they shouldn't be able to plea-bargain their way out of it
 ^^^^^^
>and they should get at least 20 years(no parole).  E-mail me or post a reply
>here.  I'll be listening.
>							malkor =|:)

Surely you mean convicted?  Or are you naive enough to believe that no one
is ever falsely charged with rape?


Just a thought

jim hardy
jhhardy@ucs.indiana.edu
From: Francene.Florio@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Francene Florio)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: LONG ISLAND CO?
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:35:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ

Over the past few years I have been going out to Smith's Point, the most
eastern point of Fire Island techniquely.  The ride is not that bad. Simply
take the L.I.E. out to exit 62, I think Smith's Point the exit should say. 
Take that route directly south to the lighthouse on the beach.  Park your car
in lot direcly next to park entrance , walk on boardwalk in westerly
direction.  when walk stops and on sand. Count 1500 steps and hen you'll be on
one of the best nude beaches I think on Long Island.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: World Guide Confusion
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:01:56 GMT

In article <88317@netnews.upenn.edu> stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein) writes:
>Query to the Massed Minds of rec.nude:
>
>	On page 20 of the World Guide there is a picture of Deep Creek
>Hot Springs.  On page 21 is a picture of a woman jumping what looks
>like 10-15 feet into deep water.  The caption reads "How Deep is Deep
>Creek?".  Now this looks like a lot of fun, but ranging up and
>downstream hundreds of yards from the spring I could not find this
>location.  I asked Camping Bare Tom Middleton, and he claims to have
>searched for this spot too.  Can anyone provide a clue to would-be
>rock jumpers as to where this spot might be?  Or is this just trick
>photography?

The sand at the bottom of the creek shifts around.
I usually look for the shallow regions to cross the frigid stream
and they change from year to year.
I've seen people dive from the rocks into the stream, but it could be
a real neck-breaker because of the shallowness.
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Topless in Safeway
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:18:21 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Sep9.200504.12825@unislc.uucp> kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:
>hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>>I saw a very unexpected sight recently: a topless woman shopping in
>>Safeway (a large supermarket, for those of you in other parts of the
>>world)!  Santa Cruz is known for its liberal attitudes on many topics,
>>but I never thought I would see that!
>
>>Unfortunately, after witnessing some scurrying about by young male
>>employees, I later saw her wearing a shirt, so my guess is that
>>someone asked her to cover up.
>
>Naw, she probably got cold. 'Tis a bit nippy down the freezer isle.

That's for sure!  Actually, I don't know about Santa Cruz but around
here a topless man would most likely be asked to put a shirt on, too.
Especially in Safeway, but also in department stores.

Bill.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: fuck
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:23:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1992Sep6.132342.18020
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <65325@cup.portal.com> Jeff_R_Spangenberg@cup.portal.com writes:
>You are all a bunch of nigger fuckheads
                        ^^^^^^
                              \__wow...  
assuming you use the word "nigger" to mean black, or people of color or
whatever Politically <in>Correct term you like, I have to be amazed and/or
confused as hell.  People <including my parents> have been claiming that
I'm caucasian.

Depending on what you mean by "fuckhead", it's entirely possible.
the word "fuck" often enters my head.  the reason for it varies, though.
SOmetimes I'd like to, other times I'm simply *pissed*.

say, does anyone out there know if the sysadmin at cup.portal.com knows/cares
about this sort of ignorance coming from his/her system?
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From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Topfree equality on Fox TV?
Summary: also on hermanbs head
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.031043.1131@Princeton.EDU>, stewart@tscvm (Mark Stewart) writes:
> 
> A couple of Sundays ago I was pleasantly surprised by the intelligent 
> treatment of some CO issues on a sitcom broadcast by Fox.  (Aug. 23 to be 
> exact, almost 2 weeks ago -- but nobody else seems to have mentioned it on 
> the net.)  The newspaper said simply: "9:00 _Down the Shore_ : Donna 
> sunbathes in the nude (cc)".  I don't watch much TV and I'm not much 
> interested in sitcoms, but here was something different.
> 
Clothing Optional recreation was also a topic on Hermans Head on fox
either the same night or close to it.  On Hermans Head everyone has to
go to some business seminar of some sort for their job and the seminar
turns out to be held a Clothing Optional resort.  The reason supposedly
is that if they can learn to communicate together in the buff then they
will communicate that much better in the clothed workplace.  It takes
the main characters some time to get up the nerve to disrobe and they
are uncomfortable doing it but they learn that it is not so bad.  The
interesting point they make though is that none of the main characters
enjoy the experience and they decide to leave before it is over.  They
all come to the same conclusion though, nudity is not right for them
personally but there is certainly nothing wrong with it for those who
are interested.  Demonstrates a little tolerance of the fact that other
peoples family values might be a wee bit different than certain peoples
but no less valuable or decent.

Of course I have to share the funniest scene with you... in some group
exercise, louise the shy secretary and the sleeze jerk (don't remember
the name)are told to stand in front of each other and look at each
others body and then say the first thing that enters their mind.  The
sleeze jerk says to louise "Nice littel body you got there Louise" and
louise looks down and saays "Gee, I knew you had one but I never guessed
it was so small!"  Everyone laughs hisataricaly, he gets embarassed and
then she jumps to explain that she meant his appendix scar.

Jim

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From: kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel)
Subject: coed bathrooms
Summary: coed-bathrooms
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:44:44 GMT
Keywords: bathrooms

You people are talking about coed bathrooms, then ask what's wrong
with urinals. Ha, Ha,

As men say, we find them quite useful.  My point exactly.  They are only
useful to men.  Why are you spending money and using up room putting
a fixture in a coed facility that only 50% of the people can use?

How about we give all men an operation to reroute their colon so they
shit out their side.  We will then design a "fecal-lector" so men
can shit standing up also.

In the men's rooms you will find urinals and fecal-lectors.  In
women's bathrooms you will find toilets.  Since neither sex can make use
out of the other's fixtures (sorta), there will be no need for coed bathrooms.  
8-)

Men will never have to worry about a women using their facilities again.

Karen Biesel
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nude Bicyclist - San Luis Obispo
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:23:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-haro.i452756
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

I just returned from San Luis Obispo a few days before the article appeared
in the San Diego Union. I bought several local newspapers while I was in
SLO (the bumber stickers read "I like the SLO life") and didn't see any
mention, so it must be a recent event. What was news is the oil spill near
the CO Pirates Cove Beach. We didn't go to the beach because the parking
lot was clogged with clean-up vehicles although the CO section looked
unaffected.
-----
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From: v024971@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (Robert J. Waddell)
Subject: Re: coed bathrooms
Organization: StorageTek
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:00:25 GMT

In article <716474952.735@minster.york.ac.uk>, malcolm@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
> Karen Biesel writes:
> 
>>You people are talking about coed bathrooms, then ask what's wrong
>>with urinals. Ha, Ha,
>>
>>As men say, we find them quite useful.  My point exactly.  They are only
>>useful to men.  Why are you spending money and using up room putting
>>a fixture in a coed facility that only 50% of the people can use?
> 
> The woman I live with claims that it is perfectly possible for women to
> use urinals.
> 
>     -malc.
While at a concert several years ago I went to use the facilities and while
standing at the "trough" a woman came in and *stood* right next to me. I
realized that the line at the restroom for the ladies was quite long, so I took
it in stride. She was wearing a skirt, so she just hiked it up. She (no doubt)
wore no panties, and she inserted a finger and pulled herself forward (I
assume), and with great precision hit the "trough" every bit as well as I was
(in my slightly impaired condition). I had no idea that women could aim
themselves like that, and the few people that I have told this to don't believe
it either. 
Any feedback ladies? 
Is this one of those "deep, dark secrets" that men aren't supposed to know
about?

OB nude: I am at home, using my modem to hit the mainframe at my employer, so I
am nude at this time. Wish I could dress this way at work, but we aren't even
allowed to wear tank tops in the building. (They did make us stop wearing any
jewelery at all, even if we were in a non-hazardous job situation, so that is
as close to bare as we can get while on the job.)
-- 






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From: crystal@sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: fuck
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:33:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

>You are all a bunch of nigger fuckheads

Thats very intersting. I did not know that.
I really just wanted to say that I used to belong to
Portal, and I know that they frown on on crappy shithead
users giving their reputation a bad name. For those of you
who dont know, Portal is a pay for use internet access.
Why dont you use your 15 dollars a month wisely. Give it
to me and I'll have someone beat the shit out of you.

____

anyone know of any co beaches up near the San Fransisco
area, that dont have a bazillion people on it? Any tips
would be greatly appreciated. 


--
Acknowledge and move on.
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From: root@geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve)
Subject: Re: cancun beaches
Organization: McGill University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:27:35 GMT

Please post any resposes to root@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca, NOT
root@cc.mcgill.ca.

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From: zsalman@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Zaid Kadhim Salman)
Subject: Re: Keeping men out
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 19:06:56 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: zsalman@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu


I would be hesitant to assume that that is indeed the case. I remember I made 
a phone to call to Whispering Oaks in Oxford, MI and asked if they had any policy against single males. She said exactly this: "We're a social nudist
club, you either have a female partner or you don't get in." Now after 
following the discussions here on this for a while, I'm wondering what 
significance the phrase "social nudist" has. Perhaps this lady was assuming that single males cause trouble and that since theirs was a "social nudist club"
they don't want any trouble so therefore they keep single males out. I don't 
know exactly what the deal is, but since I don't live anywhere near any public
CO beaches I have to go to clubs and most clubs don't accept single
males so my options are very limited.



					--Zaid