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From: bells@infonode.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: RE: Power Volleyball - the ultimate serves
Summary: Asian, Side-Spin Serves 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:00:47 GMT

From uunet!analogdv!gordon Tue Apr  7 19:23:42 1992
From: gordon.cheung@spd.analog.com (gordon.cheung@analog.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:23:42 GMT
Organization: Analog Devices, Norwood MA

gordon@spd.analog.com (gordon.cheung@analog.com)(Gordon Cheung) writes:
>
>    I've been reading my 'Power Volleyball' book lately, lot's of
>stats and pictures and words. I love the book. In the chapter of
>serving, the author suggested that the ultimate serves are:
>
>1. Side-spin serve ( one that curves)
>2. Jumping Floater
>    
>    I can't quite picture how a jumping floater works. I've done it
>accidentally here and there, and for me, jumping floater is 
>equivelent to 'OUT'. Did anybody actually try this and has some success.

     I've never tried the "jumping floater" serve, but it sounds alot like
   the regular "jump serve" that used to be real popular( and difficult ).
   As far as the "Side-spin" serve, there is a serve known as the "Asian
   Serve"( no prejudice intended, that's it's documented title ) that
   some Olympic teams use.

     In any case, the reason why the ball curves in mid-air is because 
   you DON'T put any spin on it when served. This causes the ball to 
   "float" or curve towards the reciever. A great picture/documentary on
   this serve is in "Pass, Set, Crush" by ? . I forgot his name, sorry.
   If you want it, I'll get the book later and post it.

     Putting topspin on a ball causes it to "shoot straight". A similar
   example is the spiraled groove in a gun barrel, which does the same.

>
>    Then the author pointed out that the rule book does not specify that the
>server has to toss his/her own ball. What if a teammate can toss for the 
>server? Think of the implications, the jump server can get consistant tosses
>from the setter, extra momentum can be gain off the rebound of an incoming toss, 
>or ...Hmm ... let me go home and check my rulebook.

     Man, that would be great! It would be like a backcourt set! ;)

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From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Spin (was Power Volleyball - the ultimate serves)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:50:15

In article <2138@cypress.UUCP> skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler, MN, x5036, (612) 894-6562) writes:
> Let's get one thing strait.  Any ball that has some surface air friction
                      straight
> will move in a predictable maner when there is a significant spin on the
                             manner
> ball in a parellel plane to the direction of the ball.
> As was also decribed (correctly) in an earlier note, a float serve (or 
> a knuckle ball pitch) is attempting to remove predictability of the 
> trajectory by removing all spin from a ball.  Small difference in air
> currents, air presure and humidity will cause the ball to move in appearently
                pressure                                            apparently
> random directions.  

> In the case of a volleyball, a float serve has an added
> effect.  The ball surface on impact is pushed out of round.  As the ball
> is moving the surface ripples and undulates while returning to it's prefered
> shape.

As was pointed out by another poster, this undulation effect has virtually
no effect on the path of the ball, since it is damped almost immediately.

> So one reason a float serve is so effective, is that a good serve receiver
> can usually detect ball spin and accuratly predict the trajectory.  A jump
                                   accurately
> serve allows the server to hit the ball harder (faster) without hitting 
> the ball out because the starting position is higher allowing for a straiter
                                                                      straighter
> trajectory since the net is less of an obsticle.  Serves with top spin can
                                         obstacle
> also be hit harder since the ball will dive into the court.  The faster
> the ball is hit, the less time the receiver has to react.

Cheers,

Geoff



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From: cjkuo@locus.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo)
Subject: Re: Overhead setting...
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:49:43 GMT

ar2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anthony Russell Rosania) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.volleyball: 13-Apr-92 Re: Overhead
>setting... Charles Young@SLACVM.SLA (646)

>> The ball cannot come to rest!!??
>> How does the ball change direction completely, going down to going up,
>> without coming to rest? Yes, rule books do say stupid things like
>> that, which really means the ref will decide. As always.

>YES!!! RIGHT ON!! CHARLES Gets the commonsense award!!! Great setters
>often hold the ball for a ridiculous amounts of time, they get away with
>it because they are good. As long as a set is great( i.e. a measure of
>this can be the amount of spin and still is the rule some places) you
>can get away with more.

I hate when people try to get picky and don't get it right.  A ball does
not come to rest unless it is changing direction in the EXACT opposite
vector.  How often do you think the setter ever sets the ball in the EXACT
opposite direction as which it entered his hands?

One thing I note to those people who are borderline good and trying to
learn to be a better setter.  That is, be off your feet, aka jump set.
Don't exaggerate the jump, but do try to meet the ball in the air.

Generally, when you get comfortable with this, you'll notice that if you
are floating through the air you get "a little more time" to set.  The
ball seems to stay with you (the setter) longer, because you and it are
falling at the same time.  You'll also notice, there's no ground acting
as a stiff board attached to your body to make the ball "bounce" when
you're trying to set it.

So one of the reasons better setters seem to be holding the ball longer
is because they're flying through the air along with the ball.

Jimmy Kuo
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From: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spin (or lack of...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:21:05 GMT
Reply-To: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Inc.

I hope spelling is not a prerequisite to being part of this group!  I am
hopeless without my spelling checker.

> > In the case of a volleyball, a float serve has an added
> > effect.  The ball surface on impact is pushed out of round.  As the ball
> > is moving the surface ripples and undulates while returning to it's prefered
> > shape.
>
> As was pointed out by another poster, this undulation effect has virtually
> no effect on the path of the ball, since it is damped almost immediately.

Perhaps I am incorect, but I was informed that to the human eye the appearence
of the ball resumes it's round shape quickly, but that even small undulations
will cause a mesurable effect in a hard hit serve.  And the faster the ball
crosses the net, the more undulations left undamped?

Scott
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From: todmh@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Darcie Hammer)
Subject: RE: Power Volleyball - the ultimate serves
Summary: Asian, Side-Spin Serves
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Apr 1992 14:50 EDT  

OK, I'm not sure why I'm about to tell all of you this, but for some reason
as I read this article about serving, I started thinking about my brother's
favorite serve, the dipsy-doo, and I'm at my terminal laughing hysterically.

My brother is a pretty good player, but he can be a complete clown.  It 
works in our favor (we play alot of coed tourneys) when everyone's tired
or frustrated.

Anyway, the dipsy-doo works something like this:

He tosses the ball pretty high and flails wildly at it with his left hand
(he's righty), but misses completely.  As he's falling forward (from the
wild flail) the ball hits him in the right hand, which is in a fist by
his waist, and more than half the time it goes over the net, but the
other team in so stunned by this display that they don't move, which
is good, since our entire team is on the floor laughing.

It's a legal serve, but trust me -- you don't want to try it twice in the
same tournament.

Oh and please -- hold back the unsportsman flames, he doesn't do it to squeak
through one point; strictly for humor.

darcie

p.s.  did I mention the macro-nucleus play where 5 people go up in the same
spot and fight over a 1-ball?  That one's not quite as effective though.

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From: dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donn C Young)
Subject: Groan Index
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:10:51 GMT

Tony (Evil Twin) writes:

>   "... and you hear a bunch of groans."

I've found the "Groan Index" to be greatly underestimated as a indicator
of the degree to which players push the interpretation of rules that can
be pretty subjective.  The Groan Index is highest when 1) a setter
imparts a spin to the ball - rolls off the fingers, 2) a setter tries to
get away with a 'deep dish' set, and 3) when someone tries a two-hand
overhead pass - even with a soft free ball. Without a ref, the groans
can usually make the offender feel guilty enough to confess to trans-
gressing the rules - at least they'll change their mind about doing it
again. With a ref who doesn't call things tight, I've seen (heard) 
groans affect a refs interpretation. I've seen some refs let a setter 
(who thinks they have 'soft' hands) get away with throws all night, when
groans might result in a change in interpretation.

Donn Young, OSU Cancer Center
dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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From: tlennan@peterpan.sdd.trw.com (Tim Lennan)
Subject: Re: Yelling free
Reply-To: tlennan@peterpan.sdd.trw.com
Organization: TRW SDD
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 07:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.195427.6179@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01dmcrumb@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.193839.11702@kodak.kodak.com>, grobbins@Kodak.COM (Gretchen Mittelstaedt) writes:
> > 
> > Just a short, simple question:  When is it appropriate to yell "free",
> > and is there a specific person that should be yelling it??
> 
> I think that not just one person should yell "free". For example here at Ball
> St. Univ (muncie In.) sometimes when just one person yells free, the middle
> blocker will sometimes go up for the block... that usually will lead to the 
> opposing to "tool" right of his/her hands...
> Now if everyone is yelling "free" then everybody can move back and run an
> effective transition...
> Don't you think?

Hmmmm...  I was taught that a "free ball" is any ball which is is coming over
the net after a fore-arm pass, but in common usage it is any ball which isn't
spiked.

Yelling "free" means the ball will be easy enough to play that the setter is
not required to play defense and he/she "releases" to her/his setting position 
at the net.  The other players take up the slack (for example, when playing a 
6-2 the setter will be coming from the back right and the middle and left back
cover the back line, front row players back up to about the 10ft/3meter line -
much like a W serve receive). 

I believe that only one person, the setter, should yell "free" since he/she
must decide whether or not to "release" to the net - everybody always does
what the setter says, right?  At least they do if they want to get set ;)

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From: Jim Beers <beers@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: DID YOU OR THE NET TOUCH WHILE BLOCKING?
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Errors-To: Michael_Shappe@cornell.edu
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:25:59 GMT

   > Then this happened during practice.  The ball bounced off the net
   > back to the other team, and I had touched it (just a bit).  One player
   > passed it, but someone else was saying "did you touch it" and of course
   > I didn't say anything.  The next person just caught the ball
   > and said "He didn't touch it."  Then *I* said "Aha!  I did touch
   > it, and you should never let a ball go until you are absolutely
   > sure it is dead." (or something like this).  Of course, this person
   > that caught the ball is a friend of mine with an attitude and
   > he got really pissed at me when this happens, which is typical
   > of him since he hates to be wrong.
   > 
   > I'm just wondering...how does anyone else feel about this?

Consider the following.  You didn't touch it, and then they play it, but
of course, you've turned around and were talking to a fellow player,
and a hard spike hits you in the back of the head and you wimper
"but I didn't touch it"

I say, let people know.
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: serving before the whistle
Keywords: serve
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:25:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <2259@transfer.stratus.com>, adam@sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam) writes:
> before the whistle, this guy would toss the ball
> and start his run. tweet! and then make contact. i don't know if he had great
> anticipation or if the ref was blowing the whistle when he saw the serve start.
> i complained that this tactic should not be
> allowed because he was actually starting his serve before the whistle. i read the
> usvba rules later and now i'm not so sure. on one hand they say that the server
> has 5 seconds after the whistle to "begin" their serve. all of the other
> information seems to point the serve "occuring" at the moment of contact.
> the question is: when does a serve "start?"
> any opinions would be nice. an actual rule would be better.

Looks like the rules don't anticipate this tactic.  If I were the ref, I 
might consider not blowing the whistle ("I was checking the other team's 
lineup") once or twice to break him of the habit.  There is only one 
commentary which, by being insufferably technical, you might bring to bear 
against the practice:

Commentary on Rule 7, 1(g): "...The service is illegal when: ... (6) service
action is not initiated within five seconds after the first referee's
whistle for service."
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From: richhsia@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Richard P. Hsia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re:  6-2
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:45:21 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

We're playing a coed 6-2 right now, which allows one male to shift up
and block when two females are in the front row. What works out fairly well
is to have a male setter, who can then block and set in the front row,
and not have to move back into the RB position. (This only happens for
two of the setter's three rotations.)

Richard
From: vfoao07h@VAX.CSUN.EDU (George Mansoor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Leg Exercise References
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:55:16 GMT
Reply-To: vfoao07h@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Organization: Cal State Northridge

Does anyone know of any good books/videos/or willing to offer advice on how I 
can strengthen my legs while increasing my quickness - if possible.   Any 
general advice on legwork would be appreciated.

Thank you

-----------------------------------
George Mansoor
Cal State Northridge
Business Affairs Systems - BMGT
gmansoor@vax.csun.edu
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From: cjkuo@locus.com (Chengi Jimmy Kuo)
Subject: Re: Power Volleyball - the ultimate serves
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:12:45 GMT

gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.170047.13370@infonode.ingr.com> bells@infonode.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>] 
>]      Putting topspin on a ball causes it to "shoot straight". A similar
>]    example is the spiraled groove in a gun barrel, which does the same.
>] 

>Huh? Since when does one put TOPSPIN on a bullet? The helical grove
>in a gub barrel serves to give the bullet rotation about its axis
>(parallel to the direction of motion). This rotation brings about
>the gyroscopic effect which stabilizes the bullet and prevents it
>from "tumbling" through the air. Just try throwing a fribee without
>spinning it. The gyroscopic effect is really conservation of angular
>momentum, which is a vector quantity. Therefore, the axis of rotation
>doesn't want to change from its 'present' direction. Now, for a
>spinning volleyball, this means a ball with topspin tends to maintain
>topspin. It is not angular momentum that causes a ball to "shoot
>straight" necessarily, although it may be distantly related. Thus the
>above comparison isn't quite right IMHO.

I have no idea what the original author meant by his statement.  However,
from a 2-D perspective looking down on the court, a topspin ball will go
"straight."  Or perhaps, "straight" is relative in that it *will* go where
you expect.  These are different definitions of straight.

Jimmy Kuo
-- 
cjkuo@locus.com
"The correct answer to an either/or question is both!"
From: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler, MN, x5036, (612) 894-6562)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: DID YOU OR THE NET TOUCH WHILE BLOCKING?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:59:02 GMT
Reply-To: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Inc.

In article 11501@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu, u2417@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:
>I'm sure this has happened to anyone who blocks often.  
>You are blocking, and your opponent spikes the ball hard,
>and it hits the top of the net and bounces back at him.
>However, it also happens to have hit *you*, which your
>opponent doesn't realize, and his team has 3 more hits!
>
>I've thought about this recently and decided that when I
>touched the ball in this way, I would not say so until
>after the ball was played (since we have no ref).  Why should
>I give this info to the other team during a play?
>
>Then this happened during practice.  The ball bounced off the net
>back to the other team, and I had touched it (just a bit).  One player
>passed it, but someone else was saying "did you touch it" and of course
>I didn't say anything.  The next person just caught the ball
>and said "He didn't touch it."  Then *I* said "Aha!  I did touch
>it, and you should never let a ball go until you are absolutely
>sure it is dead." (or something like this).  Of course, this person
>that caught the ball is a friend of mine with an attitude and
>he got really pissed at me when this happens, which is typical
>of him since he hates to be wrong.
>
>I'm just wondering...how does anyone else feel about this?

Whenever playing without a ref you must call fouls on your self.  
I have found that if I call questionable hits on myself, the opposing
team becomes much more likely to call thier questionable hits.

In this situation, if asked if I touched it, I would try to affirm in
time for them to play it.  I that failed, and someone stopped the play.
I would say that a replay was in order. (Unless the person was a 
jerk and was just trying to get out of a bad situation.  But even
jerks fess up if they see others doing it.)

I wonder what you mean when you say that the other person was a friend
of yours?  You don't seem friendly on the court.  And I don't have to
resort to manipulative tactics like that to win a game.  I just play better.

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Subject: Re: K. Kilray's Volleyball Camp
From: mkrogers@amherst.edu
Date: 5 Apr 92 17:57:22 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <1992Apr2.214931.11795@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:
> ar2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anthony Russell Rosania) writes:
>>How DO you spell it, for the life of me I can't remember, isn't that
>>right, it doesn't look it though.........
> 
> Karch Kiraly, pronounced "KEE-rai" or "Ki-RAI", depending on which

Here's a not-too-handy mnemonic:  the last name of composer Zoltan Kodaly
is pronounced "Ko-DAI" (rhymes with rye).

	mkr@cs.amherst.edu
From: YOUNG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Charles Young)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Overhead setting...
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:32:24 GMT
 <JPY.92Apr13093946@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

>   As I recall the 1992 rulebook, doesn't specifically mention limits
>   as far as rotations or length of travel.  I do believe it clarifies
>   that the ball cannot come to rest, specifically mentioning "beach"
>   and "deep dish" sets.  However, you're still subject to the first
>   referee's interpetation of this rule.  As soon as I can locate my
>   copy of the  darn thing, I can refer you to the section.
>


The ball cannot come to rest!!??
How does the ball change direction completely, going down to going up,
without coming to rest? Yes, rule books do say stupid things like
that, which really means the ref will decide. As always.
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