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From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Australia's REAL Royal Family
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.164019.7157@aeras.uucp>, jasonh@aeras.uucp (Jason Harris) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.130053.88533@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
>>        Hutt River Province is not a member of the Commonwealth of Australia.
>>Hutt River is an independant Principality (It's run by a Prince), with it's
>>own administration (and currency, postage stamps, etc). Having a passport
>>when going there is appreciated. The Prince is from Eastern Europe (I can't
>>remember his name or exactly which country he's from), and fled Europe to
>>escape either the nazi's or the Russian takeover of Eastern Europe.
>
> Prince Leonard and Princess Shirley, if I remember correctly. Hutt River
> Province is up near Geraldton in WA. Nobody takes Hutt River Province too
> seriously, the tourists go there and get postcards while Princess Shirley
> makes tea and scones. Prince Leonard was (and I think still is) a farmer. He
> originally decided to secede from the rest of the country for the purposes
> of avoiding taxation. The taxation department doesn't entirely agree with
> Prince Leonard's self imposed independent status.

        Someone allways has to spoil the fun. There I was, cooking up a
story about exiled East European royalty, and someone has to post the
real story. I wonder why I bother sometimes. ;-)


--
           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                      Alias: Gareth Bull, The Opal Dragon
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisti
            Huet dich bauer, ich komm! - Watch out farmer, I come!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:51:04 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

> Not sure about the government but, assuming the capital was where the 
> government then you are aither incorrect or making a South Island joke :)

   Neither I am afraid. Making an error is the real reason. (Okay so I am
human, so shoot me errr... well on second thoughts andy and Mary are in the
same city as me so maybe not... :-) ) Not having 100% percent memory I had
a vague idea that the government had at one point been down in the South
Island. I did prefix the assertion with an 'I believe' but some people seem
noticably blind to such qualifiers...

> The Capital was originally in a place called Russell in the bay of Islands.
> Not to be confused with the place _now_ called Russell - regardless of what
> they may say on the cream trip. Russell was in fact a few Km away from the 
> current site. It was burned down and reverted to it's Maori name. The capital
> then moved to Auckland and from their to Wellington.

   Yes after checking Government was established in 1840 by
Lieutenant-Governor Hobson at Okiato which he renamed Russell. It was then
moved in 1841 to Auckland. Interestingly the government buildings at
Okiato/Russell burnt down in 1st May 1842 when a massive fire swept the
settlement. In 1865 government was transfered to Wellington where it resides
now. (surprise surprise)

> That I believe is the correct reasoning behind the moves.

   Well at least I got something right... :-)

> Yes it is an irrelavent reason. The incidence of a countries capitol and
> the largest/most industrial city coinciding are, in world terms, quite
> rare ( Name the capitals and largest industrial centres of the following:
>        Australia, U.S.A, Brazil, Mexico... )
> 
> Auckland has the better climate, wider streets, more industry, bridge,
> Wellington has more culture, bands, hills, tunnel.

    I dunno about a 'better' climate - we got more sunshine down here than
Auckland does. Mind you it does get colder here... And both Auckland and
Wellington are in imminent danger of being wiped out by local geological
activity. So the primary reason in Wellington's favour is still it's
geographic location.

    At any rate thanks for your correction - it has been the most reasonable
one so far and could make a good case study for certain people on the net...

    Philip

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From: fielding@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:22:54 GMT

I wrote:
A much better brew is exported by Dominion Breweries and is called Kiwi Lager.

amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:

>Oh my God! You can't be serious! Or else, you can't be a New Zealander! We
>don't drink the stuff, that's probably why they have to export it all :-)

>Andrew

Only half New Zealander and of course I'm serious.  Think of the other "fine"
beers I have to choose from -- Coors, Bud, ...  Any beer from N.Z. beats
those hands down.

The only place in the U.S. that I know of that brews beer of quality
comparable to New Zealand is Portland, Oregon.  If you are ever there,
stop by one of the many MacMinamen's (sp?) Pubs and order a pint of
Widmer Weizen.                                             _________.
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                                                      //  (_________|
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Better yet, stop by the brewery and get a whole keg (:v).      \_/

.......Roy Fielding    ICS Grad Student,  University of California, Irvine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: shay@osiris (George Shay)
Subject: Looking for female pen-pals
Summary: Looking for female pen-pals
Keywords: Looking for female pen-pals
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:22:08 GMT

I am looking for female pen-pals in New Zealand. I will catch a chance to
visit my friends in Austrilia this summer if I can take some vacation time
from my work. 

I like to visit New Zealand if I can know it better and I have a lot of
interests.

I am a well-educated(master degreed professional), in my late 20s, like
sports, music, comedy, and much more. And quite talkative.

If you like to talk, drop me a line

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: twilson@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Wilson)
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:16:20 GMT

In the vein of North American Capital cities, when I was in school
(aeons ago) I was taught that Mexico was considered part of North
America. So, would one not consider Mexico City the third Capital City
in North America.  (Leaving aside the Quebec City question for now:
It's not official; yet.

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:55:38 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
> Anyone drink anything from the Strongcroft micro-brewery in Petone?
> Care to comment on it?

Vast quantities of the stuff seem to go down the gullets of University
staff club patrons every Friday night.  It's pretty good -- on a par with
Black Mac (from McCashin's brewery in Nelson), which also gets a good 
thrashing.

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin D Frank)
Subject: Re: bridge
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:00:44 GMT

Just a curious question, but how far apart are the two islands?  Would it be
structurally possible to build a bridge to join the two islands?

By the way, what's wrong with using ferry boats?  Are they more expensive now
than in past years?
-- 
"It is better to appear ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
								-Mark Twain
Kevin D. Frank
kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:20:45 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

BEER!!!!!


   Mr Stokes, who posted earlier, also appreciates a fine brew. McCashins,
Black Mac is a dark brew with a creamy froth, reminiscient of Guinness,
but with its own distictive taste, makes me thirsty just thinking about it!
    Speights have recently released a new lager called Speights Gold. It tasted
vaguely metallic to me but my wife liked it so the six pack was hers. New
Zealand Breweries have also released Red Label, what they call a 100% natural
beer; for the green drinkers I suppose. I just happened to have a couple of
these in the weekend and its not a bad brew but give me a McCashins or 
Speights ***  any day of the week.

Cheers!!

Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.
From: masljg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (L J Groves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:35:32 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

Don Stokes says, of Strongcroft:

>Vast quantities of the stuff seem to go down the gullets of University
>staff club patrons every Friday night.  It's pretty good -- on a par with
>Black Mac (from McCashin's brewery in Nelson), which also gets a good
>thrashing.

Then Clive Boock says:

>   Mr Stokes, who posted earlier, also appreciates a fine brew. McCashins,
>Black Mac is a dark brew with a creamy froth, reminiscient of Guinness,
>but with its own distictive taste, makes me thirsty just thinking about it!

Black Mac is quite nice, but VERY sweet.  I once made the mistake of drinking
some after drinking the good ol' Waikato XXXX.  The Black Mac was so sweet in 
contrast to the Waikato, I couldn't drink it (I will refrain from giving a
more detailed account of the physiological reaction it had).

I might add that this occurred at the aforementioned University Staff Club,
and that the same patrons who now consume the vast quantities of Strongcroft
(I believe we are their biggest cutomer!) used to consume vast quantities of
Waikato XXXX when it was still available.

If I want something darker and heavier that Strongroft Best Bitter, I'll have
a Strongcroft Owd Jim, or even a Tui Stout.


Cheers
	Lindsay

--------------
Lindsay Groves                     On leave from:	
School of Mathematical Sciences    Department of Computer Science
University of Bath                 Victoria University of Wellington
Bath, England                      Wellington, New Zealand
ljg@maths.bath.ac.uk               lindsay@comp.vuw.ac.nz



>Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.  

Hmmm  -- a Boock from Otago -- not a cricketer by any chance?
From: masljg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (L J Groves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:48:46 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <XPqyiB1w165w@tornado.welly.gen.nz> turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson) writes:
>amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>
>*REAL* drinkers drink a DRAUGHT, lagers are *DISGUSTING*

Hear, hear!  As far as I'm concerned. Lager isn't beer at all, it's something
that non-beer drinkers drink (see end of message). 

>Why not export Waikato? (The best beer under the sun)

In the days of Four X (who says it's only aussies who can't spell) I would
have agreed with you, but alas that fine brew is no more, and I'm not as keen
on the green label stuff -- though I prefer it to Lion and DB.  These days
(when at home) I usually drink Strongcroft, which is a truly wonderful beer.

>Why is it only our lagers are exported? 

There seems to be some kind of a myth in the marketting world that this is
what people want to drink (probably supported by the fact that that's the
only think that is offered to them).  It may be related to the fact that the
most common beers in America and Europe are lager-like beer substitutes.
Does anyone know where we export the most beer to?

The same is true in aussie, just to hark back to some discussion a while ago
about how bad aussie beer is.  The Australians actually make some very good
beer -- one of the first things I usually do when I go to Sydney is to head
for a pub to savour a "schooner" of Tooheys or Tooths Old (which are beers in
a similar style to Strongcrofts "Owd Jim").  But they aren't the beers that
are exported.

Come to that, these beers are not hugely popular in Oz, just as Waikato and
Strongcroft are not the most popular beers in NZ.  Maybe its the masses who
don't appreciate good beer who are to blame!

Cheers
	Lindsay


--------------
Lindsay Groves                     On leave from:	
School of Mathematical Sciences    Department of Computer Science
University of Bath                 Victoria University of Wellington
Bath, England                      Wellington, New Zealand
ljg@maths.bath.ac.uk               lindsay@comp.vuw.ac.nz

... and enjoying some fine British ales!

When I go to a bar and ask for beer, and the barperson says "Yes, would you
like Steinlager or Joseph Kutz?", I am frequently know to reply: "No, I would
like *beer*!".  (Unfortunately, the point is usually lost on them.)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:37:53 -0400 
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Who is one of the worlds deepest ....
	<1992Apr15.192442.1417@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 15-Apr-92 Re: bridge Mark
> C. Wilson@schaefer. (572)

> banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks) writes:
> >   Sounds a bit daft to me. (No offense meant) We have one of the worlds
> >deepest and nastiest straight's there and on top of that we get
> reasonably

> I just want to correct a (surprisingly prevalent) error. The water
> separating
> the North Island and South Island is Cook STRAIT (as in straitjacket, or
> dire straits, not as in straight line.

> Mark Wilson

Yes, but what has that got to do with wise but evil unqueers?

michael                        p.s. don't worry dears, it's just a joke.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
From: derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:22:41 GMT
Reply-To: derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Organization: Task Management Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand

In article <19wznLj014n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>                                               ....And both Auckland and
>Wellington are in imminent danger of being wiped out by local geological
>activity. So the primary reason in Wellington's favour is still it's
>geographic location.

Actually only Wellington is in danger of being wiped out by geological 
action i.e. the big quake! Auckland would suffer if any of the mainland
volcanoes went off, but only locally and if Rangitoto went off there
wouldn't be too much damage to the city, we would just get a very pretty 
firework show. I have already booked my seat at a freinds house with 
a BIG window and good view ( they plan to evacuate! ). In the end my 
real reason for liking Auckland is the chance of seeing some real, but 
relatively safe, volcanic action! Don't fancy being crushed under tons
or rubble though. Mind you I do Ski Ruapehu so I'm not completely 
consistant :-)


>    At any rate thanks for your correction - it has been the most reasonable
>one so far and could make a good case study for certain people on the net...
>

You're welcome, I do try to be reasonable wherever possible.

Derek "If Taupo goes off again we're ALL in trouble" Tearne


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New Zea
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:28:33 +1200
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr7.074552.5340@cc.uow.edu.au>, g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence) writes:
> mchinander@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
> 
>>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?
> N.Z.
Some of the pubs sell Aussie beer as well. I can't imagine why ;-)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Strongcroft
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:01:48 GMT


Thanks for the comments about Strongcroft.  The reason I asked is simple---
the owners of Strongcroft Brewery are my aunt (Dee AshCROFT) and her husband
(Tim ArmSTRONG).  They started the brewery a few years ago and have had a
fairly rough time of it, what with the recession.  They seem to be doing
better recently, and I'm sure that this will continue if the economy
comes right.

Glad to hear that their product is appreciated.  I'll forward the comments
to them.

RNA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: kilroy@freddy.acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 00:52:49 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@freddy.acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit)
Organization: The Blue Danube Waltzers

turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson) writes:

> amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
> 
> *REAL* drinkers drink a DRAUGHT, lagers are *DISGUSTING*...

Lager's are disgusting? Have you tried Mac's Gold? Very nice beer.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding         kilroy@freddy.acme.gen.nz         ACME BBS: +64 6 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
From: g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:06:25 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:

>>>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?
>> N.Z.
>Some of the pubs sell Aussie beer as well. I can't imagine why ;-)
Do you mean Fosters, XXXX, VB, etc? 
They're NZ beers too, now :-) . 

Jeremy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: wilkin@ml.csiro.au (John Wilkin)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Reply-To: wilkin@ml.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Marine Laboratories
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:46:10 GMT

Just buy some Swan Lager from the ex-Bond Brewing empire -- it might be
made in Australia but its owned by New Zealanders anyway.  Poor Alan
Bond -- if he couldn't make money selling beer to Australian's it's a
wonder he made money at all.
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re:  Facts About New Zealand
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:32:22 GMT
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <1992Apr7.212353.3643@ncar.ucar.edu> amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>In article <18Vu9rj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>prevmary@otago.ac.nz writes:
>>   Never! Dunedin is way too cold for a Capital. Imagine all those poor
>>Civil Servants having to struggle through below zero temperatures in the
>>winter - they would freeze to death before they got to work! :-)
>
>Is that really such a bad thing???
>
>
>Andrew M.

    It would make the place untidy, and block the sidewalks...

--
****  Liam Greenwood	    * Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer...   ****
****  Wanganui, N.Z.	    * she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel ****
		   **** liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ****					  *
From: jasonh@aeras.uucp (Jason Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:55:09 GMT
Reply-To: jasonh@aeras.UUCP (Jason Harris)
Organization: Arix Corporation, San Jose, CA.

In article <1992Apr8.064610.24761@ml.csiro.au> wilkin@ml.csiro.au writes:

>Just buy some Swan Lager from the ex-Bond Brewing empire -- it might be
>made in Australia but its owned by New Zealanders anyway.  Poor Alan
>Bond -- if he couldn't make money selling beer to Australian's it's a
>wonder he made money at all.

Rest assured. Alan Bond amy not have been able to make money selling
beer to Australians, but Kerry packer certainly made money by selling 
television stations to Alan Bond.

Jason.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 07:45:52 GMT

mchinander@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:

>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?
N.Z.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: bridge
From: H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz (H. Edwards)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:18:12 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Speaking of tunnels, the Dominion Sunday Times of April 1 1990 had a
front page article about a planned tunnel under Cook Strait.  It included
comments from the then PM Geoffrey Palmer and a diagram of what the
tunnel would look like and where it would go.

It certainly fooled me for a while!

-- 


Howard Edwards				Ph: (64)(6)3569099 ext 8331
Dept of Statistics			Fax: (64)(6)3505611
Massey University			email: H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz
Palmerston North
NEW ZEALAND
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: bridge
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:53:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove) writes:
> Has there ever been any political discussion about building a bridge
> between the North and the South islands?  If so what were the main
> arguments against the project?

I don't think it's ever been considered.  I doubt that it ever will.

 - It's a long way.
 - There is only just enough traffic to justify the ferries.
 - The weather would make a bridge positively dangerous.
 - Cook Strait has a very deep gully though it (which rules out a tunnel, 
   as someone else suggested).
 - The geology is unstable.

... and those aren't even political reasons.

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:12:57 +1200
 <18Vu9rj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> <1992Apr7.212353.3643@ncar.ucar.edu> <19WX6Vj014n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <19WX6Vj014n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz>, banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks) writes:
> amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
> 
> [bits about Civil servants freezing deleted]
> 
>> Is that really such a bad thing???
> 
>    Hmmmm you have a point there. Anyone for the 'Move Parliment to
> Christchurch' movement? :-) Maybe then I could be right in saying Parliment
> moved south....

You guys can keep Parliament and we'll keep our climate !!!!

Alan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand