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From: Kevin_Deane@mindlink.bc.ca (Kevin Deane)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:19:10 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

It is true, the fight trainers, plus a lot of the cast, were TKDists.  I have
a write up on the movie somewhere stating all the various TKD people
involved.
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From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Two-toed boots?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:38:25 CDT

In article <1992Oct14.100925.912@mala.bc.ca> princecr@mala.bc.ca writes:
>In article <Bw3I2F.Bvy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>> 
>> What is the purpose of two-toed boots?  (i.e. the foot is shaped like a heart)
>> 
>	When you wear sandles you got that piece that sticks between your big
>toe and all your other toes.  Tabi socks let you wear socks and sandles at the
>same time.  The ninja often wore the socks when sneaking around because it was
>quiter.  The boots came into play when every second westerner wanted to be a
>ninja but had pussy whimp feet.

...I dunno about that last bit of history there. When I was in Japan, I noticed
park maintenance men and construction workers wearing them as the equivalent of
our workboots.

-Lauren
  


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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Kimwaza - Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 14 OCT 92 15:20:20    


mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes...
> 
>If anyone does want to learn about Scandinavian martial arts, I can
>tell you a few things.  The stuff that I know is part of a family
>tradition, so I don't know how widely it's practiced, but Pop used
>to teach all the neighborhood kids when we were younger.  There are
>a number of techniques that involve flaming liquids, and also some
>really deadly motor vehicle techniques.  This is real street self
>defense stuff here, none of that fancy dojo stuff, and Pop never 
>made anyone call him "Master" as long as you were nice and prompt
>when it came time to fetch him another beer.  If you weren't, he'd
>set the dog on you.  

Yee ha !  That's my kind of martial art.  Practical AND teaches
character development.  Is there a local franchise I can get hooked up to ?
Was Pop descended from those 4th century Icelandic monks ?

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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: Taido/Hakamas (hopping)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

leiwo@phoenix (Jussi Leiwo) says:

like volts and that kind of things. Actually this class of teqhnicues (how 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	volts, eh? sounds electrifying. so tell me, are these classes paid
	in cash, or do you CHARGE them?

	heh heh heh.

	mukund
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:58:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13741
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Oct10.215826.23566@athena.mit.edu> ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) writes:
>>	It explains why so many white people scoff at the idea of qi, and
 
>As a white person, I have to disagree.  I have qi's for every door at home and
>at least 5 doors at the office - not to mention my car and bike lock.
 
      Maybe you should try to use the new and improved 
      qi-less entry techniques. :-)
  
   
   

-- 
Robert Stroud       roberts@usa.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:00:02 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>In article <60904@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>>long as the title was bestowed upon him/her by a "proper" authority. I know
>>that no one in the style I belong to just up and awarded themself the title
>>of "Sempai" or "Sensei" or "Shihan" or "Kaicho". 
> 
>    Why do we English speakers continue to hang such mystic
>    and power upon such Japanese words?

     Um, maybe because our system was founded by a Japanese guy? B-> I
find no more mystique is calling someone "Sensei" then I do calling
someone "Professor." Under the circumstances, it's the requisite of
ettiquite. 

>    I find it amusing 
>    that sempai is a title.  It only means that you are a senior
>    student.  Kind of like being a Junior in college.  You are
>    a sempai to the Freshmen and Sophmores but only a kohei to 
>    the Seniors.   Sensei only means teacher, granted a lot is
>    implied by calling comeone the sensei of a MA organization.

     In the Seido system, sempai refers to black belts below 4th dan.
(Yes, it does litterally mean "senior student.")  They often teach
classes, but only under the authority of a sensei (4th or 5th dan) or
higher rank. Shihan ("Master") refers to the top few people in the
organization. Kaicho ("Grandmaster") is our "big boss" and founder,
Tadashi Nakamura, who was awarded a 9th dan by Toho University. (In
those Japanese styles that keep the tradition, all ranks about 5th dan
are honorary, granted by Toho University for outstanding contributions
to the martial arts.)


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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:44:10 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <24158@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep29163848@atomic.princeton.edu> mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>
>>
>>I think people who say that they would rather not learn to fight
>>because they think fighting is wrong are making a perfectly good
>>decision, just not the one I am making.  They have chosen between two
>>evils, and decided that being relatively defenseless is better than
>>living a life in a manner they oppose. 
>
>If these people have SEEN or known someone (or have themselves been ) 
>nearly beaten to death
>or raped etc..  then they are making an 'informed decision'...
>if violence is still an 'abstract concept' to them, then I'd
>say that they're talking out of ignorance..
>

I think I'd better clarify my words...  I have nothing but respect
for people who KNOW the physical and emotional suffering that
violence brings but still wish to pursue the life of a pacifist
when it comes to the defense of self.  But I have known a few people
who used to THINK that they would prefer NOT to be 'violent' who have
had a 180 degree change of attitude after having survived a violent
encounter...  one guy nearly died in a knife attack, another was
severly beaten by 3 people who lulled him by pretending to have
a 'friendly conversation'..  both these people had up till then
fit the mold of 'mr mellow'...  

So I just question whether some of these people who think ALL fighting
is wrong (even in self-defense), REALLY know the possibilities, the
ultimate being death of self, or maybe even the death of a loved one
while the self stood by and did nothing....

In any event, it is their decision, I respect it.  For those who
KNOW about violence, I respect this too, for those that don't KNOW
about violence, I hope you never find out !

-t.c.



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 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:01:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Oct7.190114.29651
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <farant.1s9c@terapin.com> farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason) writes:
>In terms of Martial Arts movies I really don't think your VanDammes, Seagals
>and Speakmans can hold candle to the stars from Hong Kong. Check Out the films
>of Jackie Chan, Samo Hung and Yuen Biao. The films these guys make run rings
>around the American stars. Don't bother with the dubbed stuff just try to track
>down the ones from Hong Kong they are usually subtitled in English. All three
>of these guys are in tons of films ranging from the supernatural to comedy so
>you are bound to find a film that you like. Once you see a Hong Kong MA flick
>you will realize what a joke most American action/MA films are.

Absolutely agree, even the lost cost HK TV production is much better than
American so called MA movies.
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From: dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr)
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:30:25 GMT

From article <MARY.92Oct12094701@martinique.Cayman.COM>, by mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros):
> 
> In article <POPOVICH.92Oct12031028@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
> 
>    >	Can anyone tell me what style of karate Miyagi teaches Larusso in 
>    >the karate kid movies?
> 
> I heard from somewhere that the fight trainers for the first movie were
> TKDists, but don't quote me on that.  Don't know about II or III.

Don't know about the fight trainers.
Fumio Demura, however, was the stunt double for Pat Morita
and is a practitioner of Shito-ryu - an Okinawan style
descended from both Goju-ryu and Shorin-ryu.
The kata in III is Seiunchin, from the Goju-ryu side of Shito-ryu's roots.


Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
david.c.carr@att.com
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:21:20 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <BvzJu6.IKr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Are there any good books that explain and depict good combinations using cat
>claws or sai?  I'd really appreciate it.  My cat claws are coming in the mail
>in a couple weeks, and I've already made up a few of my own combos which I
>think are excellent to use against non-MA's.

Great.  Just what the martial arts community needs:  some sub-white belt buys
an esoteric weapon mail order, goes and slices up a random non-martial-artist,
and gets into all the papers.  Next thing you know, "Hard Copy" is doing one
of their famous "expose's" about all the psycho-killer martial artists running
around the countryside, and "appropriate" legislation is being introduced.

Paranoia?  Well, consider that almost all "martial arts" weapons are already
illegal here in the Golden State.


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From: mh4e@resumix.portal.com (Michael Heiler)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Akido -vs- Akijitsu
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: mh4e@resumix.portal.com
Organization: Resumix, Inc., Santa Clara, CA

In article 718208201snx@ietech.demon.co.uk, nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:

> I disagree with Mike's last remark about Aiki Ju Jitsu being a little
> harder on both Uki and Tori.  If it is taught properly it should be
> no different to Classical Aikido with respect to hardness.  Unfortunately
> a lot of people now doing Aiki Ju Jitsu think they must make it hard
> to diffirentiate it from Aikido.  When I was training in both some
> twenty years ago I used to look forward to the Aiki Ju Jitsu as a
> rest from the hard Aikido I was doing!
> 
> Nigel
> 

This was just a poor restatement that AikiJuJutsu tends to be more combat
oriented (e.g., *in general*, the intent of the AikiJuJutsu version of 
Kote Gaeshi seems to be to cause more damage that the same technique for
Aikido, *in general*). It is certainly true that actually injuries and
soreness vary from dojo to dojo, student to student, sensei to sensei, 
and is less dependent upon the art.

Also, I forgot to include the article I was responding to in my last post.
It was in response to Todd Starks article on the meaning of Aiki, and was
only the result of confussion between the two of us. 

- Mike
From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Last of the Mohicans (Indian MA's)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 04:20:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


There was some discussion a little while back by someone who wanted
to know about the American Indian MA's, and where Daniel Day-Lewis got
his training.

There is an article on the back page of today's (Mon, Oct 12th) USA
Today  Life section.  

Apparently he recieved his Indian fighting training from David
Webster, who was also technical advisor to the film.
Mr. Webster's past technical credits span 22 movies, including
Thelma and Louise (where he also played the highway patrol man
that tries to get them to surrender at the end), and Terminator II
(Where he plays the security gaurd that gets shot in the leg,
you know the scene where kid say's I thought you weren't going
to kill him, and Arnold says something stupid like He'll live).

Webster runs the Special Operations Center in Alabama, where Daniel
Day-Lewis spent his time training.


Marty

Do
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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: Tae Kwon Do and the Kwans no more?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:02:30 GMT

In article <92282.175632CHOI@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <CHOI@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>Mr. Dakin Burdick writes:
>
>    TKD itself is based on Shotokan Karate........
>
>First, I don't know what the Shotokan Karaete is, and maybe, there is a possi-
>billity that some forms from S.K. are incoporated in TKD, but I very doubt it,
>very much.  Would you suggest any historical facts?
>Who knows the S.K. is based on old Korean martial arts?
>Just like Judo(Yudo), as far as I know, they have historical facts that it is
>originated from Korean martial art, YuSool, art of softness, even though it
>doesn't exist anymore.  It is too bad that I don't have the facts in my hands,
>especially in North Dakota!  Maybe, you can check it with Korean martial-arts
>historians if there are such ones.
>
>Anyway, this is from what I know, heard, and read.
>I really doubt it.
>Have a nice day.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Youngjun Choi



Dakin! Before you do anything, stop! All of us here on recc.martial-arts
have heard your story thousands of times, so don't post directly to this
newsgroup! Please politely email him personally, Thanks. =).

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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: So happy (Dragons and such)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:23:35 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <1992Oct13.195633.1246@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>The Black D vs White D discussion sounds enormously like the palaver that my
>first kung fu teacher used to tell.  I have asked several Chinese people if
>they have *ever* heard of white D kung fu--nobody has.  It might just be an
>American phenomenon, created by ripoff artists.  Sounds like a good story to
>put right next to your chrome-plated wakazashi to me.

I'll probably be sorry for jumping into this thread, but I used to study
a style called Pai Lum Kung Fu.  Pai Lum is an American mumbling of the
Chinese words for "white dragon", which, as someone pointed out earlier,
work out to something more like "Bai Lung" in Mandarin.

My instructor was John A. Weninger, of Bethlehem, PA.  His instructor was
(and is) Daniel K. Pai, who used to teach in Hartford, Conn., and now
lives someplace down in Florida.

The style isn't very well known, and I doubt very much that it has anything
to do with what y'all are talking about.  But there is a White Dragon Kung
Fu style around, if you look long enough.

-- 
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From: g90p4494@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR CG PACELLA)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido Articles Needed
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:42:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: giraffe.g90p4494.9.719080928
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

I am the editor of the Southern African AIKI TIMES and I need 
stories for publication desperately.  Please post any articles (On Akido 
only, I'm afraid) that you have on the NET.  I cannot afford to pay, but I 
can send you a copy of the articls if you want.  I'm particularly interested 
in articles from outside South Africa.  The deadline is October 24 1992.

Thanks.
Chris.
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Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:50:15 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <2XF9RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, lchurch2@bluemoon.rn.com (Leonard Church) writes:
> ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin) writes:
> 
>> I have recently seen a movie that David Caradine(sp?) has starred in that
>> was actually rather good <cries of alarm, shock, and dismay>.  It was cal-
>> led _The_Iron_Circle_ and contained a lot of classical Chinese martial forms
>> and mysticism.  Plus, Dave gets to play a blind wise-man/teacher instead
>> of the student of one.  It is definitely a must-see.  
>> 
>> _The_Iron_Circle_ can easily be termed one of the best movies I've ever seen,
>> and THE best martial arts film I've ever enjoyed.
>> 
> 
> The movie was based off of "The Silent Flute" and was written by Sterling 
> Siliphant(sp?), James Coburn [the actor], and Bruce Lee.  It starred a lot 
> of different people, Roddy MacDowell, Christopher Lee, Kam Yuen, Eli 
> Wallach, and a number of other martial artists.  The movie was full of Zen 
> and Toaist type quips and such and was not that bad...
> -Leonard Church-
> Instructor Aranada y Kali
> 
The movie "The Iron Circle"  IS  the movie "The Silent Flute".  When I saw
it in the theatre it was under "The Silent Flute" name.  When it came out
on video in my neck of the woods, it was under the title "The Iron Circle".
I'm not sure when the title was changed.

A good movie. 

Mario Tambay.
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From: cs911146@ariel.yorku.ca (JEFF HUM)
Subject: Re: Wong Fei Hung  - Fact or Fiction?
Followup-To: Re: Wong Fei Hung  - Fact or Fiction?
Keywords: -=-=-< Kung Fu >-=-=-
Organization: Bo Chi Lam (hahahaha!)
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:34:01 GMT

Doug, 
  In your post you referred to 2 movies by the young actor (Jet Lee), 
there is actually a 3rd movie by him which is titled:
Wong Fei Hung '92: Lung Hang Tin Ha
(this is cantonese of course, i don't know the english name!)

However, this movie doesn't really relate to Wong Fei Hung except for
the master(played by: Yuen Wa) who runs a shop called 'Bo Chi Lam'.
Although it doesn't have anything to do with WFH, the fight scenes are
fantastic!

Jet Lee(in my opinion) makes some of the best KF movies today.
Some of you may remember him from 'The Shaolin Temple'.  Here's a 
couple more to catch if you haven't already seen them!

Nam Bak Siu Lam  (directed and choerographed by: Liu Chia Liang)
(Sorry, can't remember the english name!)       (^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
                                             (AKA:Lau Kar Leung)

Born To Defence (choerographed by: Tsui Siu Ming)
(Chung Wa Ying Hung)

Dragon Fight (choreographed by: Dik Wai)
(Lung joi Tin Ngai)       (^^^^^^^ he's in a lot of Samo Hung's movies!)

SwordsMan 2 (choreographed by: Ching Siu Tung)
                (same guy that did Once upon a time...)
(Siu Ngo Kong Wu: Dung Fong Bat Bai)

Check 'em out and tell me what you think!

   
                                  Later.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:30:43 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <6F8-Dx#@engin.umich.edu> cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher) writes:
>I like a large umbrella with a heavy shaft.

	Not that you'd look strange or anything carrying an umbrella around
in a South Texas July... "Hey, podna, y'all don' need that.  Ain't gonna rain
none 'till No-vember"
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:05:57 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <naam.719170223@lorax.cecer.army.mil> naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam) writes:
>In <1992Oct12.173013.2298@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>
>>The "crane" technique which Miyagi performs while "Chubs" Larusso is busy
>>drowning is from a fairly rare Okinawan kata (of Chinese origin), named
>>"Hakutsuru". Only a couple of extant Okinawan styles practice this particular
>>kata.
>
>FYI: A new style called "Hakatsuru Kai", decended from Goju, Shotokan, and
>Aikijitsu has recently appeared in the states.

Oh boy...just what we need ;-).

Steve