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From: wxh17@po.CWRU.Edu (Wayne Hicks)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: luggage lost by airlines on domestic flights
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


    I am looking for people who have had their luggage lost on 
domestic flights. More specifically I am looking for those
individuals whose bags were never found by the airline.If you
have been forced to suffer the slings and arrows of this malady 
modern day travel,then I wish you would share the details of 
your experience with me.Please include answers to the following 
questions in your response.
   Did you seek financial reimbursement for your loss?
   If a cash settlement was made, how long did you have to wait
   before monies were forthcoming?
   Did you feel that the airlines customer service personnel
   made an honest effort to assist you, or did you feel that
   they just attempted to politely string you along?
   Were you forced to seek the assistance of legal or consumer
   protection agencies in order to expediate matters?
   Did you feel that the amount of the settlement was fair and
   adequate?
   What airline were you using when your luggage was lost?
   Through what cities were you traveling?
If there are any sympathizers out there please reply as soon 
and in as much detail as possible.

                            signed

                     ANXIOUS and NAKED
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: glen@Cayman.COM (Glen B. Glater)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Alaska Cruising info input?
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:33:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.GLEN.92Aug25123330
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of 24 Aug 92 12:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.122520.5286@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
nev@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (nancy.e.ellard-vass) writes:

  >I have friends that came back approximately 2 weeks ago from >an
  Alaska cruise. The scenery they said was wonderful. They sailed >on
  Princess Cruise Line's Dawn Princess. They said it was a small ship
  >which is better for Alaska as they were able to go places the
  larger ships >could not.

  >As for returning to Alaska they said they would, but would not go
  >on the Dawn Princess. The food was horrible and the dining >area
  was below deck with no windows. The average passenger age is at
  least >50. My friends are in their 30's and didn't mind. But don't
  expect >Carnival clientele.  >

Princess calls that a "small ship"?  That's crazy!  I was on a "small
ship", about the size of one of the Alaska ferries, and it was great.
The smaller the ship the better, as they can negotiate the more
shallow and less wide passages that force the larger ships to "go
around".

I recommend Clipper Cruise Lines out of St. Louis.  We were on the
"Yorktown Clipper."  There is no glitzy entertainment on board, and no
swimming pool.  My down coat would have gotten all soggy anyway if I
jumped in... The trip was very "nature" oriented, with the captain and
crew trying to get us close to wildlife several times (took us off
course for 2 hours following a pod of humpback whales feeding on
salmon, and pulled us within a few hundred feed of a Black Bear that
was cruising the shoreline).

The food was great, the crew was great.  Dining room below decks, with
many LARGE windows at the water line.  In fact, half the room was
scared out of their chairs (literally) when one of the humpback whales
(see above) came up out of the water after fish *RIGHT NEXT TO* the
ship.

The only complaint that I had about the cruise...it was too short.  I
took a week long cruise and could have spent a month.  But that's not 
really their problem....

--

	*************************************************************
	Glen B. Glater				Phone: (617) 494-1999         
	Technical Support Engineer		Fax:   (617) 494-5167         
	Cayman Systems Inc.			Internet: glen@cayman.com     
	26 Landsdowne Street			AppleLink:  CAYMAN.TECH	      
	Cambridge, MA   02139            SneakerNet:  3rd cube on the left    
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: The general tourist.  Was: Load irritating obtrusive ...
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:59:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.132935.14381@highland.oz.au>, gregw@highland.oz.au (Greg Wilkins) writes:

than everybody else.
> 
>   - Maybe due to the duration of their trips, or to their wealth,
>     Americans appear to be a little more careless with their money.
>     Often paying much more than they should, or just plainly being
>     ripped off and/or robbed.  I think this raises a bit of resentment
>     from other travelers, as it tends to push prices up and increase
>     the general crime rate.  But then American do not corner the market
>     on this trait - it just appears a little more common.

We Americans have long since been superseded by the Japanese in this
regard.  In fact, wealthy foreign tourists seem to be a factor in
pushing up prices even inside the US.  In Silicon Valley, for example,
many Japanese restaurants and karaoke places seem to be switching
to catering to the Japanese business traveler, with resulting humongous
increases in prices and cover charges.  

>   - They always bring too much luggage, too many clothes and dress up
>     too much.  But then I am Australian (see below).  

Europeans always complained about under-dressed Americans, especially
in surroundings such as cathedrals that called for decorum.  Personally,
I saved on luggage one European trip by taking only a few changes of dressy
clothes.  No sneakers, shorts, T-shirts, and I used a sport coat both
for dressy occasions, and as a light jacket on cold days.

> Germans:
> 
>   - They travel at all ages.

The love the American desert, and flock there during the hottest times
of the year.
 
>   - They like traveling abroad as their youth hostels are horrible :-)

I found them kind of in-between.  In fact, European hostel quality seems
to increase with the latitude.
 

>   - They hate being mistaken for American.  Advice: Always guess
>     Canadian, as American don't mind if you get it wrong :-)

There is such a thing as a Canadian accent, though it the difference
isn't as great as 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat
From: dennis@sequent.com (Dennis Storz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Club Med in Martinique
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug25.182134.8791
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Has anybody been to the Club Med in Martinique-Buccaneer's
Creek? Any comments on this or on any Club Med experiences
would be appreciated..
Thanks
Xref: sparky rec.travel:12731 soc.culture.usa:7038
From: bc2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:25:14 GMT
	<1992Aug31.013041.28877@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1992Aug31.013041.28877@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp>
Andy Krantz writes:

>But on the other hand, it has been rare that I have seen an American flag on
>a backpack.

Gee, I wonder why?? 

>Now that I actually think about it: a large portion of identifying flags that
>I have seen recently on backpacks (or what not) have been Canadian, followed
>by Australian and New Zealand. ....

Exactly my point. The above three countries are all politically neuter
(err...I mean neutral) 8^)  So identifying yourself as a citizen of one
of those countries would be safe. Travelling through the Middle East
with a great big Stars and Sripes , hmmmmm....would not be wise?

OhOh!!! Now I've done it!

ChanBillR600F2
From: anandk@cs.ucsd.edu (Anand Kanagala)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: 1 One way ticket from Detroit to Seattle for sale
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:03:58 GMT
Distribution: usa

1 one way ticket from detroit to seaallt availabele for sale.

Price $ 100.

call (206) 867 9487 
or email sudk@microsoft.com

(don't call me , I am just posting this for a friend.)
From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: *NEW* TRAVEL ADVISORY -- Bahamas
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:30:54 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <920828130629_76702.1202_CHN32-1@CompuServe.COM> 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith) writes:
>STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL ADVISORY - Bahamas
>============================================================
>Bahamas - Caution
> August 27, 1992
>
>While the Bahamas were spared the brunt of Hurricane Andrew, the 
>Department of State has authorized the voluntary departure of 
>non-essential employees and dependents of U.S. government personnel 
>from the Bahamas because of the potential for supply shortages and 
>the disruption of essential services.
>
>Commercial air travel from the Bahamas is heavily booked at this 
>time.  Any U.S. citizens contemplating travel to or from the Bahamas 
>should consider deferring that travel until they are able to confirm 
>their travel and lodging arrangements.
>
>U.S. citizens who are currently in the Bahamas should follow the 
>instructions of local officials in the wake of the storm.
>
>American citizen residents and tourists who wish to contact the 
>U.S. Embassy in Nassau can reach the Embassy at the following 
>number:  322-1181.


Well, this just goes to show you that the right hand doesn't know
what the left hand is doing. I *just* called the US embassy in Nassau and
they said there is NO REASON AT ALL for any travel advisory.
They have *no idea* why it was issued. The airport is open and
flights are as on-schedule as they ever were, hotels are open, there
is no damage  to speak of anywhere but the north tip of the island
of Eleuthera. They were perplexed. No one had asked them.

I own property in the Bahamas, and I love the country and its
people. They are almost totally reliant on tourism for revenue. For
the US government to arbitrarily do this to them, which is bound
to damage their economic situation even more than the hurricane did,
is unforgiveable.

I happen to know that the phones were only out for a couple of
hours on at least one fairly remote and primitive island that is at
the same latitude as Nassau. Sounds better than Florida to me.

PLEASE go to the Bahamas. Nassau is fine, everywhere but the north
tip of Eleuthera is fine. Cancel your  trip if you were going to
Harbour Island, Spanish Wells, Current, or Bogue. But please,
think and check before you arbitrarily cancel a trip.

Valerie Maslak
From: arevalo@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Help with ATMs in Europe wanted.
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: arevalo@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


Hi,
  I'm going to England and Spain maybe France in November.
I would like to know if there are lots of ATMs (on Cirrus network)
in these countries?

Bill
From: emz@bjcong.bj.co.uk (ED ZIETARSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Info on Athens and Ios please !!!
Keywords: Athens Ios Greece
Date: 25 Aug 92 08:11:21 GMT
Organization: Boldon James Limited (UK)

I am flying to Greece on the 6th. September for a 1 week holiday.
I am going on my own and I have not pre-booked any accommodation.

I intend to spend a day or so in Athens and the rest of my time on the island
of Ios (I heard Ios was the place to be !).

I am primarily interested in lazing about on the beach, drinking etc. etc.
However, despite usually being bored by museums and monuments, I do want to see
just the *MOST* important sites in or around Athens.

I am going equipped with "Let's Go - Greece", but I would be very interested in
any specific info on Athens and/or Ios. Places to stay, to see, to avoid ...

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Ed Zietarski, Boldon James Limited, Damian House, West Street, Congleton,
CHESHIRE CW12 1JN, UK (Snail), +44 260 280465 (Phone), +44 260 298030 (Fax),
emz@bj.co.uk (UK only), emz@boldon-james-limited.co.uk (Internet),
..!mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!bjcong!emz (Bangnet).
From: kew@bcsaic.boeing.com (Keith Williamson)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing,rec.backcountry
Subject: unexpected hazards of climbing
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:39:39 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


I had an interesting experience this weekend, involving a hazard of
climbing that I had never thought of before :-).  My partner, Yvonne,
and I were climbing Mt. Cruiser in the Olympics.  At one point we were
setting up a rappel when a large male mountain goat (with very large
and sharp horns) began to approach us.  Since I have had them come
within 10 yards before, I didn't think much of it at first.  However,
the goat went right up to Yvonne and starting licking her (for the salt,
I guess).  He wouldn't let up.  Since we didn't want to wait around for
him to finish, we starting yelling at him to go on his way.  Finally,
he left.  However, he followed us most of the afternoon (he obviously
liked Yvonne :-).  At one point, we left our packs down below.  Upon
summitting, we noticed the goat licking our packs (which we had anchored
in anticipation of this).  We hoped he wasn't chewing (he was good).
I tossed a couple of rocks down to scare him (being careful not to hit
the fellow).  After returning to the packs, we found them completely
and utterly slimed.  The goat returned.  We tossed some more rocks,
and he backed off.  Pretty soon we noticed he had climbed above us.
Thinking that he might return our earlier volleys, we were careful
to seek some shelter while we rested and drank.  As we started to leave
the area, stuff started to rain down on us.  No, it was wasn't rocks,
but goat turds.  The goat was literally shitting on us!  Both Yvonne
and I cracked up.  Since he hadn't harmed us or our equipment, and
we had thrown rocks at him, we kinda felt that we deserved it.
	Keith Williamson
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Worst belays
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:48:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1992Aug31.094804.27071
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug31.142011.8216@odin.corp.sgi.com> bruceb@roadrunner.denver.sgi.com (Bruce Bailey) writes:

>1) What is the worst belay anchor you've ever encountered (must be ON-ROUTE)?

    Not a belay anchor, but a rap anchor.  In Provo Canyon the ice
    climb "Miller's Thiller".  To get to it you walk a round a ledge
    that is 45 degrees or so to a smallish tree that is on edge of the
    ledge.  Typically you can not walk down to the tree because there
    is lots of loose rock and not enough snow covering so you slide
    down with your feet apart so when get to the tree you will stop.
    Now naturally the tree is at the very edge of the ledge and you do
    not want to miss the tree or you'll go free.

    Once you get the rope around the slings, you must slide off of the
    ledge and around the tree.  You immediately notice that half of
    the tree is broken and the other half looks as if it could come
    out of the rock at anytime.  But by this time your already hanging
    from it so you rap away.  Oh yea, the tree is only 4 inches in
    diameter and is scrub oak.

>2) What is the most uncomfortable belay "stance" you've ever encountered?

    Had one this summer on the Undone Book in Lone Peak Cirque
    (Wasatch Mtns).  The "ledge" was 12" wide and sloped 15 degress
    down as did the rest of the corner so you always felt like you
    were going to fall out of it.  It would not have been so bad but
    the pro was not very good either so it wasn't like you could just
    hang there comfortably.

Cheers,

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"I though you brought the rope"
	A climber to their partner after hiking in 10 miles.
From: parilis@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Parilis)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Florida Crags
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:22:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug12.210828.10675@schbbs.mot.com> CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey) writes:

> Having just moved to Boca Raton because it translates into "Mouth
> of rocks" or something like that,

I thought it meant "Mouth of Mouse".

Look at it on a map, you'll see why...

- Gary
Xref: sparky rec.climbing:3314 sci.geo.meteorology:2977
From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing,sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: NEW Casio Alto Watch...
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:17:13 GMT
	<1992Aug28.082800.19948@sol.UVic.CA>
	<1992Aug28.194600.12188@colorado.edu>
Reply-To: ted@nmsu.edu
Organization: Computing Research Lab



In article <1992Aug28.194600.12188@colorado.edu> men@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Matthew Newman) writes:

	... much formulaic muttering ...



for quicky stuff, it suffices to assume that the atmospheric pressure
drops exponentially, losing half of the pressure every time you ascend
18,000 feet.  thus the pressure at 9,000 feet is about 14.7 / sqrt(2)
psi ~= 10 psi (or whatever units you like).  

does anybody know a similarly quick way (i.e. in your head) to
calculate the boiling point of water?  

--

REALLY, instead of hyping low impact soles, I think what we need
are more low impact souls.
					Greg Jahn
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Overhangs
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:59:19 GMT

>|> Hey, we need to come up with a grease rating system.
>|> 	G0 No grease.
>|> 	G1 (La Cosita, right)
>|> 	G2 ...
>|> 	etc.
>
>You're really onto something here Eugene!
>
>(having never done La Cosita I may be way off as far as relative
> greasiness in the below ratings...)

La Cosita Right is that classic layback (three feet off the ground) in
Robbins' Basic Rockcraft, it also appears in Hoover's Solo film briefly
(deep fingers or palms) (maybe even Star Trek).

>The first pitch of La Escuela - G2
>  "like trying to layback a buttered elephant"
>  "like trying to layback soap"
>   ...
>Whale's Tail Mantle (Eldo) - G3
>Country Club Crack - G2
>Bruce Bailey (Dr. OW)

I got three other pieces of mail on this.  (BTW, I think LE might be a G1
and I've tried CCC [couldn't do it].)

I think we'd have to agree the purpose of such a rating.  I think a G0
should be no grease.  After a day, I think the greasiest thing I can think
of was Messner's greased pole contest he wrote about in Seventh Grade
(he clearly used aid {slings and sand}).  So that's the high end: Gn.
Otherwise it's just great fun.  Whether it should be open ended or closed and
dynamic like Gill's B scale: that has to be decided.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk (Mike Mead)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Joining of Rappel Ropes
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:10:09 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

OH NO! IT'S THE RAP. KNOT DEBATE AGAIN!!!!

In article <1992Aug28.143922.19009@samba.oit.unc.edu> cptully@med.unc.edu writes:
[]
>Another question (to everybody) if you know you are going to be doing a
>lot of climbing that requires a full length rappel, why not use double
>ropes (say 9mm in stead of 11mm) and not have to carry a second rope
>just for rappeling?  Or am I completely off base?  Are double ropes not
>good for rappeling on?

I get the feeling double ropes are more common in the UK.  I regularly
rap. off on double nines using my tuber as a brake.  No problem.
AND I use an overhand to join them.  Scary, eh ?^)
M
-- 
  Mike Mead                     Phone: +44 (0235) 44 6710 (FAX: x 5893)
  Informatics Department        JANET: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk
  Rutherford Appleton Lab.      UUCP:  {...!}mcsun!uknet!rlinf!mm
  Chilton, Didcot, Oxon, UK     ARPA:  mm%inf.rl.ac.uk@NSFnet-relay.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: billw@ace.mentorg.com (Bill Wright)
Subject: Re: Leading on 9mm?
Originator: billw@ace
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 17:51:03 GMT
Reply-To: billw@sjc.mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <1992Sep2.071849.28499@news.uit.no>, paale@stud.cs.uit.no (Paal Ellingsen) writes:
|> My question is: is it safe to lead on a single 9mm, as long as you don't get any
|> long runouts? Accoording to the technical spesifications, a good 9mm can take
|> more UIAA-falls than my old 10.5mm, but are there any good arguments against
|> using a 9mm for leading?
If you read my latest trip report then you know that I lead backcountry routes up to
my leading limit on an 8.8mm rope.  The only danger with this in my mind is that
a rope this small is much easier to cut.  The chances of the rope cutting are 
determined by the rock you are climbing on, the route, how you run your protection,
etc.  If there is ANY chance that you will even be worried about your rope cutting
then you should be on a 10.5 or 11mm rope or maybe even twin 9mm ropes.  But if I
think the chances of the rope being cut are negligible then I have no problems
leading on an 8.8mm rope.  The chances of that rope breaking (not cutting) on any
leader fall are so astromonical that I just don't worry about it.  Most climbers I
know don't like leading on ropes this thin for purely psychologically reasons and
you must climb with a rope that you have complete confidence in.  

Don't get me wrong. I like the thicker ropes also and usually use a 10.5mm for most
rock climbs.  I just like the smaller ropes when I have to carry them a long ways.

Bill
-- 
             Bill Wright / bill_wright@mentorg.com

                  "When in doubt, run it out!"
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: emergency techniques
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:46:09 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <BtFsEA.E71.2@cs.cmu.edu>, cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline) writes:
> In article <1992Aug22.094011.329@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:
> Again, why not teach the 15 year old both techniques?  

(1) shorter attention spans: body belay requires you to pay more attention
(2) weight: 70-90#s different between theirs & mine

but, yes, i would teach them both.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: duanej@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Duane Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:23:01 GMT
Subject: Re: climbing in RMNP
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.climbing


>1) Spearhead, N ridge - any snow up there?  How's the route and what
>protection is necessary?

Climbed it on July 4 and there was no snow.  Routefinding is pretty easy.
Be sure to stay way left on the last pitch, even though it's really exposed.
Only 2 or 3 pitches have anything harder than 5.2 or 5.3.  The pro is very
good, small and medium pieces should work fine.  There's some loose rock
around, so wear a helmet.
Newsgroups: rec.climbing