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From: rich@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Richard Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Loudan Wainwright tribute to John L
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:19:54 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

This is a really bizarre idea. A Lennon tribute to Wainwright
I could understand.  Surely John L. was not dead yet when Loudon
had passed him on the fast lane of notions of honesty, commitment
and all that stuff that Lennon was so *supposed* to be so good at.

rich
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (The Great Gazoo)
Subject: Re: Beatles Censored?
Reply-To: mccombj@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:15:47 GMT

In article <Bz3u4q.KuB@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S.  
Kazmierczak) writes:
> I am very for feminine issues myself but am also strongly against censorship
> (believing that if the person is sane anyway, a song is not going to 
> cause them to act irrationally). Anyone else have any comments on all of
> this?
> 
> Brian

A recent post brought up the excellent point that a radio station can play  
whatever it wants; it has no _obligation_ to play "Run For Your Life."  I agree  
that a song doesn't make or break someone's mental state -- anyone see the  
absurd Judas Priest trial a few years ago?  I also think that if I were a radio  
DJ, I wouldn't play RFYL, simply because I think it's one of the weakest of all  
Beatle songs.  Just my 2c's...

As ever,
Joe.
--
_________________________________________________________
{Joe McCombs} but you can call me <mccombj@alleg.edu>...
   "I'm not easy to live with, I know that it's true;
           You're no picnic either, baby,
  That was one of the things that I loved about you..."
_________________________________________________________
From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: can you believe it?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:50:57 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1992Dec12.003835.7641@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

>Censoring songs isn't new. Some hits of the sixties were either recorded
>in two versions or relooped in studio to produce less offensive versions;
>viz., "Stagger Lee", which has the "nice" version wherein the principals
>forgive each other their sins, and the "violent" version wherein one
>gambling partner shoots the other rather graphically

I thought the sixties were 1961-1970.  Now you're including 1958 or at
least 1959.  Good!  Now we can call our proposed group rec.music.sixties,
and I can include the music that I'd like! :-)

>            And one of Lou Christie's hits disappeared entirely from
>the playlists, to my recollection---"Rhapsody In The Rain" (1965)...it
>was the wrong kind of rhapsody, folks, to be broadcasting to the 
>youthful listenership; but its follow-up, "Lightning Strikes", was
>allowed to stand.

You're recollection of the events is better than your recollection of the
dates and chronology.  "Lightnin' Strikes" first charted 12/25/65, while
"Rhapsody In The Rain" didn't chart until 3/26/66... unless 
"Rhapsody" was released first but censored/banned until after "Lightnin'"
broke some ground.

I guess I must have been too naive back then to notice the
thinly-disguised meaning.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Subject: yellow submarine lp
Reply-To: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:02:57 EST

<">"Yellow Submarine" has always been considered a stupid album,
<">because side Two is all George Martin instrumental, and side
<">one features only three songs from the movie, one of which was
<">already on another
<">album.  The best songs on the album are the ones whichwere'nt in
<">the movie, "It's All Too Much", and "Hey Bulldog", which are great
<">songs, but are not well-recognized because they were stuck on the
<">Yellow Submarine album.

I'm never one to take exception, but I've always loved this album.

From great Beatle tunes like Hey Bulldog, All You Need Is Love, It's
Only A Northern Song, All Together Now, It's All Too Much, and
Yellow Submarine [I like 'em all; all almost equally] to George
Martin's pseudo-classics.

This in in my top 5 of Beatle LPs.

However, as Twain said, different opinions make horse races.

>>>=====Headly=Westerfield===>
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From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Subject: the lives of jl
Reply-To: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:02:56 EST

<">Top 10 Revelations in the AG Biography of Ringo (in no real order;
<">this is from memory)
<">
<">10. Actually thought Paul was dead.
<">9. He had a secretary named Lincoln, while Lincoln
<">had a secretary named Ringo.
<">8. Thought "Hey, hey, we're the Monkees" should be
<">Beatles theme song.
<">7. He and Barbara Bach once had a bed-in to support
<">Seagram's Wine Coolers
<">6. Gave John and Paul token songs so they wouldn't
<">feel left out.
<">5. Only Beatle to play himself in Beatlemania
<">4.
<">2. I forget (sorry)
<">1. "Octopus's Garden" played backwards says, "Thank
<">God these other guys are so talented."


ARGH!!!!!!

Where are #s 3 & 4?

[Funny stuff.]

>>>=====Headly=Westerfield===>
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (dave)
Subject: Re: "Tomorrow Never Knows"
Organization: elsewhere
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:42:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.152743.28591@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>After the "That love is all, that love is everything" verse, John
>(I assume again) mutters a line, something about "...hate...", then
>"This is believing, this is believing."
>
>Anybody with ears young enough to catch the previous line?  I'd be\
>grateful (tho not dead).  Thanks

i THINK the line is "that ignorance and haste may mourn the dead."

-- 
( dave prokopy - prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu or prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu    )
( "this is my mistake - let me make it good."                               )
(  -r.e.m., "world leader pretend"                                          )
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: song title copyright?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:45:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

A colleague and I are just finishing the writing of an introductory computer
science text, and a lot of our examples involve titles of Beatles songs, like

> (first '(eight days a week))
EIGHT

> (count '(the continuing story of bungalow bill))
6

> (reverse '(i feel fine))
(FINE FEEL I)

... well, you get the idea.

Anyway, my question is, do we have to get permission for all this?  I was
under the impression that song *titles* (as opposed to lyrics) can be
quoted freely.  If we do need permission, from whom?  Thanks in advance...
From: Taxman@f99.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Taxman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Notes on "I Need You" (INY)
Date: 11 Dec 92 00:16:00 GMT


 DW> In article <Byx78w.6H7@world.std.com> awp@world.std.com 
 DW> (Alan W Pollack) writes:
>
>                         ===============================
>                        || Notes on "I Need You" (INY) ||
>                         ===============================

 DW> Who in the hell reads this crap???

I, for one, thoroughly enjoy the notes.  Combining both a musicologist's and listener's approach, I find them informative.  True, sometimes the prose becomes a little esoteric, but I hope Mr. Pollack continues in his evaluative endeavors.

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Harrison/McCartney
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:12:14 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

saki (dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu) wrote:
: Etc." for the first time in over thirty years. I suppose he knew what
: it sounded like because a) he played on the original, and b) I'll lay
: odds ke kept a taped copy of the disc.

I believe he did.  Duff used to be married to a lady wh o now lives
with a a chum of mine in Brigton.

The link is being cultivated.  But, they don't get on as their only
contact seems to be over disputes over maintenance for their daughter
who is at Medical School.

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Subject: We Will Find Your Album
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:55:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

U.S. Record Finders
P.O. Box 292904
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.
33329


We will hunt garages looking for your requests.  Just drop us a line.
We are also ready to serve any overseas customers.

Thank You
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:45:06 GMT
Subject: Albert f'in Goldamn revisited
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles


A recent posting discussed the merits of Albert Goldman's tra-I mean book.
I thought the whole truth to Goldman was exposed by Saturday Night Live a
few years ago when it was shown that Goldman actually played trombone for
the Beatles at the Cavern Club.  It was hilarious.  They were playing 
I Saw Her Standing There and Goldman cut in with a trombone solo.  Elvis
was there, of course, and came back stage to admonish The Beatles.
"Which one of you is the leader?"
"I'm the leader", says Paul.
"Then you have to fire that old guy!"
"Oh, the LEADER!  The LEADER!  John's the LEADER!"  Elvis and John fire
Goldman.  "You're fat.  You're out of shape.  Get outta the business" says
Elvis.  "Oh yeah", claimed Albert, "I'll get you, both of you, maybe not
now cause I'm afraid of you, but someday, I'll get you!  I'll get you!!"
It's all true or SNL wouldn't have acted it out!!  Right?  Right?!

Well, anyway, it makes me feel better about the garbage within the covers
of that book.

Dennis

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From: bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "All Those Years Ago" - wasn't that a reunion ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:48:28 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bz9vyn.1Kn@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085pcqr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MATT SUROWIEC - CROWEHEAD) writes:
>i recall that Ringo did the drumming, while Paul supplied the Bass and 
>harmony vocals (of course it is possible that the tracks were recorded 
>separately, and then mixed together, but it would still be all three of
>them on one song !)

From what I understand, that was the case - Paul sending the tapes to George
Harrison. But George's opinion of the "reunion" is probably best summed up
by the lack of any credit given to Paul on George's last "greatest hits"
CD.

>CROWEHEAD

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,
Subject: THE CHRISTMAS ALBUM
From: steve eliason <MV013374@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:27:15 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

            "THE BEATLES CHRISTMAS ALBUM"

      - If anyone has information on this album, please fill me in.
                                           Thank you very much.

   STEVE P. ELIASON
   INTERNET ADDRESS MV013374@VM1.NODAK.EDU
   BITNET MV013374@NDSUVM1.BITNET
From: Michael_-_Meshew@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Promo films
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:46:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

The Beatles also made promo films shown on the BBC for We Can Work It Out, 
Help, Day Tripper & 2 others. A promo film was made for Something and one
was even made for a Day in the Life. Granted the last 2 were seen by very few
people, but they were made!

Michael ( I know, because I have copies of them ) Meshew

Hope this helps!
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Yellow Submarine LP
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:14:28 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Nathaniel Michael Pearson (raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 	Which brings up the liner notes, at least on the cd version...
: 	basically a rambling (p)review of "The Beatles" by some journalist/
: 	industry critic, comparing Paul McCartney's creative output to 
: 	something akin to a purple haze of melancholy (?)...anyway, I liked 
: 	reading the old record's Beowulf-style blurb about Sgt. Pepper 
: 	battling Blue Meanies better.  Why didn't they put this on the cd?  

The CD releases duplicate the UK EMI configurations rather than the US Capitol
configurations.  The original vinyl release of YS on EMI also had this review
on the back cover.

: 	P.S.  While on the subject of liner notes, the cd of Pepper has a 
: 	liner typo...did the original notes also switch "begins" to "beings" 
: 	in the "She's Leaving Home" lyrics?

I never noticed this.  I'll have to go check now :-)

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Look, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
 system of government"
From: doh@cis.ksu.edu (Kyung-Goo Doh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: _Straight Up_ by Badfinger
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:36:48 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

In article <doh.724527119@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> doh@cis.ksu.edu (Kyung-Goo Doh) writes:
>In article <9910004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>>Does anyone know if Badfinger's album _Straight Up_ is available on CD yet?
>>
>
>It has been available for quite a while. Check your local store.
>

No, it has not been out yet. I messed up with "No Dice", which is out
a quite a while. I don't know what's with me this morning.
SORRY ABOUT THE CONFUSION!!

Kyung-Goo

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: olemo@dhhalden.no (OLE-MAGNUS OLSEN)
Subject: Re: Let Me Take You Down; Lennon & Chapman
Keywords: mind control
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:56:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.120859.27382@maths.tcd.ie> dincense@maths.tcd.ie (Jeffrey Crosbie) writes:
>
>whose name totally evades me at this moment in time.One very good book
>was "The Murder Of John Lennon"by another author whose name evades
>me.He claimed that Mark Chapman had been singled out by the F.B.I
>and was subjected to "mind control".He was ,the writer claimed ,
>hypnotised into believing that lennon was a danger to the world
>and had to be disposed of before he twathed the minds of everyone.
>Lennon was on the F.B.I.danger list,apparentely.

I usually don't get surprised at all to hear that the FBI or the CIA have 
been involved in all sorts of things, but as far as this particular 
incident, the murder of John Lennon, is concerned, I do indeed believe that 
Mark Chapman was fully capable of screwing up his mind all by himself...

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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Paul is Dead
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 16:55:51 GMT

In article <jparr-111292155153@langmac2.oshag.nd.edu> jparr@chekov.helios.nd.edu (James Parr) writes:
>I have been fascinated for some years now with the story of the "Paul is
>dead" scandal.  I am amazed at all of the supposedly careful planning that
>the group went through to make it credible.  I learned most of it through
>Neville Stannards book "The Long and Winding Road."  If anyone is more
>informed than I am, will you please let me know.  Please send it to my
>e-mail address:

By all available evidence, the Beatles had nothing to do with the
generation of this myth. It appears to have had its origins in
the American midwest, possibly at Northern Illinois University
as a college prank, and since grown to substantial mythic 
proportions.

I spoke to Tom Schultees (apologies if his name isn't spelt
properly) at Popular Culture Ink., the publishing firm in
Ann Arbor, MI which took over the catalogue of Pierian Press
some years ago, publishers of Beatles-related books. Tom said
he'll be sending me a precis on his upcoming release (which
Joe Brennan of this esteemed group was so kind to alert us to)
on the Paul "death hoax", as it's called by professionals. This
will be a history of the growth of this myth, not a sociological
study and *not* a simple rehash of the clues (though an appendix
will carry them all). The book will be available, Tom said,
possibly in Fall 1993, but that's a rough guess. He said it will
be a pleasant read, as well.

As soon as I have more information on this book, I'll be happy
to post it.

--
"Some of these tunes are purely instrumental, such as 'Looking Glass',
'Catswalk' and 'Winston's Walk', and others were composed with the modern
audience in mind, tunes like 'Thinking of Linking', 'The One After 909'...."
---------------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
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From: nangld@aix.rpi.edu (David Edward Nangle)
Subject: Re: Paul / ABC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:36:44 GMT

edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:

>Just a brief piece of news gleaned from "Entertainment Tonight".

>Apparently, Paul has signed a contract with the American television
>network ABC.  The contract definitely covers three specials covering
>the 1993 world tour.   The network claims it also includes a "personal
>services" deal so McCartney will promote ABC during the year.  However,
>McCartney's press agency says the deal *only* covers the three musical 
>programs.

According to a report on CNN at around 2:30 am EST, Dec 18, ABC claims to
still be negotiating for these TV specials, and a spokesperson for 
McCartney denies that there are even negotiations happening.
From: pdb@csthor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Derek Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: TELEVISED CONCERT
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:07:52 GMT
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth

I heard on the radio today (about a lucky man who made the grade)  that Paul
was in the middle of talks to reach an agreement on one of his concerts being
televised live. Anyone got any idea which one this is going to be?

Also may I just take this opportunity to congratulate Paul (I know he regularly reads this section) on his latest ticket selling record. Eight minutes is pretty
special!!!!!

  Lucking forward to the new album,
        Billy Shears.
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From: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Beatles Reunion??
Reply-To: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:57:24 GMT

While it seems unlikely, the Boys getting back together for a little
music, fun, and one helluva lot of money certainly would offset recent 
career disappointments, such as the sales of George's live and Ringo's
studio albums.  As a Beatlephile, I can only encourage any reunion, 
however short-lived, but with real trepidation about the music.  Paul
and George never wrote together, and Paul's post-Lennon material has
suffered (my opinion, anyway) without John's caustic input (as John's 
likewise suffered).  I worry that the sound could be mediocre or
worse, that our heroes would besmirch the legend, that -that-that ...

Well, what the heck!  Anything monumental like this has risks and
doubters, but the potential far outweighs the so-called risks by 
a million.  Let 'er rip, boys -- have some fun again!  Show the
stiffs of the 80's and 90's what REAL rock-n-roll is!!

And I hope this special on which they're working is as splendid
as George seemed to think it was!

Greg, "Stuck in the Sixties" ("stiffs" refers to musicians, not fans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Subject: Re: Beatles to reform????
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:49:48 GMT

>>In article <1992Dec12.103413.2466@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1gsf@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>>Just to let you know that next year(1993), Paul wishes to perform with the rest  
>>>of the band for a one off gig. This will be the first time that they have
>>>played together since spliting up back in 1977.
>>>
>>	Are you referring to the session (I assume it was an informal one)
>>	held by Paul, George, and Ringo at Eric Clapton's wedding in the
>>	late seventies?  Does anyone know anything about this? What a band to
>>	have at your wedding!...I wonder if they played polkas...
>>
>>				Nat Pearson
>>				raindrop@leland.stanford.edu
>>
>>	P.S.  It's seems ironic (and sad) that John wasn't there.
>
>I thought it was John, George, and Ringo that played at the reception (George
>played at the wedding, too), but I could be wrong about that.  I do remember
>reading one tale about it though.  Apparently Eric, when The Beatles were
>winding down, said "I can't believe no one is taping this".
>They were reportedly really bad, though.
>

Agree! (to the last statement)
I've heard the boot from this. Very awful indeed.
It was in fact John, George and Ringo (together with a bunch of other people)
doing singalong versions of rock standards, a couple of Lennon tunes, AND a couple
McCartney songs including Yesterday!!! (I think they say some awful things about
Paul, but I'm not sure...)
They are obviously very drunk (or similar).
The sound as well as the "performance" is very bad.
It sounds like they're playing and singing in different keys...
Yeah, you've guessed right ... I did NOT buy the boot.

Christer

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From: brody@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Adam R. Brody )
Subject: Re: London Walking Tour
Keywords: London
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:51:29 GMT

I forgot to mention one funny incident.  I was walking around the
Library of the British Museum looking for the Magna Carta when
I stumbled upon something more interesting.  What I found were the
original, hand-writen lyrics to Yesterday, Here, There, and Everywhere,
A Day in the Life, and Help.  Particularly noteworthy was the fact
that ADITL had slightly different lyrics with one line mentioning
Penny Lane.  I read all the lyrics, which is more than I can say
for the Magna Carta!

There were many other Beatles things I saw in London including a
painting in the Tate Gallery that looked like the cover to 
Let it Be only it was painted about 6 yrs earlier.  Many bookstores
had books relating to the Beatles.  Rock Circus, made by Madame
Tussaud's has a recreation of the stage of the Cavern Club.  The
Museum of the Moving Image had several references to the Beatles
including some of their videos.

Before my trip, I spent some time in NY where I saw Goldman's
bio of John Lennon, hardcover, selling for only $6.  I was aware
of all the controversy surrounding the book and figured it wasn't
even worth that much.