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From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: looking for NAPLPS discussion
Keywords: NAPLPS
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:26:06 GMT

In article <l9r47jINNoi5@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes:
|> ASCII.  (If you are fully OSIfied, you may prefer to say "built around
|> the model of International Alphabet number 5".)

Nope. I prefer to keep my dollar signs!
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                   OSIfied (on odd-numbered thursdays)
Harald.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
C=no;PRMD=uninett;O=sintef;OU=delab;S=alvestrand;G=harald
+47 7 59 70 94
From: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Rajiv Arora)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
Subject: What are "Allen-Bradley PLC protocols" ??
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:17:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.78943
Reply-To: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Rajiv Arora)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


The subject line says it all. A potential employer has indicated that they work
with Allen-Bradley PLC protocols. Now I'm a networking person myself, but
obviously I let somethings slip through the cracks! I have no idea what PLC
refers to, and what type of protocols these are, i.e. MAC, network, transport,
etc.

Perhaps someone from Allen-Bradley reads this group?! 8-) I haven't found any
mention of these protocols in the usual text books (Halsall, Stallings,
Tanenbaum). Can anyone refer me to a book that talks about this stuff?

-- 
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* Rajiv Arora			Email: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu	     *
*				Phone: (512) 795-9015			     *
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: jrk@nittany.tcs.com (John Koper)
Subject: What is NTDS?
Followup-To: comp.protocols.misc
Keywords: NTDS
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:28:43 GMT

Can anyone give me a brief description of NTDS?  I belive
it's some kind of protocol used in the military and I think
it stands for "Navy Tactical Data Standard"?  I tried archie
but had no luck finding anything.

thanks in advance,
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Koper				| jrk@tcs.com
Software Engineer			| 2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA 94704
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.	| (510) 649-3592
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From: wongm@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Mun Chung Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Help with DINGO tool from NIST
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:10:11 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: wongm@ipc5.lat.oz.au

Hi,
  I am currently using DINGO tool developed by NIST. I find it very difficult to understand the
  structure and codes generated by the tool, and I haven't got any docs. and info other than the
  overview and user guide which come together with the distribution. And I have few problems to
  ask :

  1) About using the tool in (semi) automated development, I wonder if anyone has used it in real
	 development yet ? If so, please give me some pointers into using of the tool.

  2) About the site_serv and sited. As from the user guide, we are supposed to run different
     modules as different process on DIFFERNET system! Yes, but how ? It's stated that, we will
	 need to run site server program on different machines, and collect their addresses into a
	 file (site_serv.addrs), and ship copies of site_serv.addrs to other distant sites. But, what
	 do they mean ? Can anyone give some examples of the actual commands we have to type in from
	 the shell ? (I just don't understand what is meant by the brief instructions in the user
	 guide).

  3) About more info. and docs. Can we get more docs. and especially programmers references for
	 this tool ? I will find things like general description of major data structures generated
	 by the tools, and some essential generated routines very useful in order to make good use
	 of the tool.

	 
  Since it is a development job I am working on, I really appreciate any ideas, guidelines etc at
  all, especially with respect to point 1) and 3)! I will think if volumes of programmers
  reference are available, that will certainly nake life very easy.

  Many thanks in advance.

  Email replies most welcomed!!

  - wongm@latcs1.lat.oz.au
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: looking for NAPLPS discussion
Keywords: NAPLPS
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:36:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug28.133600.8958
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes:

>In article <oeL6PB4w164w@uuisis.isis.org>, Michael Dillon asked where
>to find information on NAPLPS, as used in Prodigy, ALEX, and Telidon.

>Back in 1983, BYTE magazine ran a series of four articles about NAPLPS,
>the "North American Presentation-Level Protocol Syntax", a protocol
>developed for encoding videotext graphics.  The first article was

>    "NAPLPS: A New Standard for Text and Graphics,
>     Part 1: Introduction, History, and Structure"
>     by Jim Fleming and William Frezza.  BYTE,
>     volume 8, number 2, February 1983, pp. 203-254.

>The articles presented a large amount of detail about how NAPLPS works
>and how it may be used; the series of articles continued in the March,
>April, and May 1983 issues of BYTE.

I seem to vaguely recall reading about RCA or someone marketing a
NAPLPS decoder *chip*. Anybody know anything about this?

I figure that if it *was* done, and wasn't too expensive, it might be
possible to create a board that plugs into the VGA feature connector
and provide *fast* NAPLPS with a simple driver. Since there's a lot
of talk about reviving NAPLPS as a graphics standard, I'd think such
a board would sell if it wasn't too expensive.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: LUGEBE1@AWIIMC12.IMC.UniVie.AC.AT (DI Bernhard Luger)
Subject: IPX driver/shim for NDIS wanted
Organization: Institut fuer Medizinische Computerwissenschaften
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:14:58 GMT

 
I am looking for an IPX packet shim or driver for NDIS (similar to the
DIS_PKT9 for TCP/IP). Does anybody know a source for this kind of driver?
Or does anybody have an alternate solution to the problem of operating
TCP/IP and Novell IPX based on NDIS.
 
Thanks folks.
Berny Luger (biomedical engineering, vienna)
 
P.S.: Anybody who has this kind of driver and wants to get "rid" of it
is nicely asked to drop it at our FTP server
SHIVA.BMT.UNIVIE.AC.AT, 131.130.50.1, anonymous
 
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From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,news.groups,comp.terminals,comp.protocols.iso,comp.bbs.misc,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: looking for NAPLPS discussion
Followup-To: comp.protocols.misc
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:35:31 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Expires: 10 Oct 1992 22:24:26 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: BYTE ran a series of articles in 1983
Keywords: NAPLPS

In article <oeL6PB4w164w@uuisis.isis.org>, Michael Dillon asked where
to find information on NAPLPS, as used in Prodigy, ALEX, and Telidon.

Back in 1983, BYTE magazine ran a series of four articles about NAPLPS,
the "North American Presentation-Level Protocol Syntax", a protocol
developed for encoding videotext graphics.  The first article was

    "NAPLPS: A New Standard for Text and Graphics,
     Part 1: Introduction, History, and Structure"
     by Jim Fleming and William Frezza.  BYTE,
     volume 8, number 2, February 1983, pp. 203-254.

The articles presented a large amount of detail about how NAPLPS works
and how it may be used; the series of articles continued in the March,
April, and May 1983 issues of BYTE.

NAPLPS, pronounced like "nap-lips", fits in at approximately level 6
of the OSI (Open Systems Interconnection) reference model, but it
bears only slight resemblance to the ASN.1 (Abstract Syntax Notation
1) and BER (Basic Encoding Rules) that constitute the official OSI
level 6.  NAPLPS defines a methodology of representing graphics
primitives within a 7- or 8-bit code set built around the model of
ASCII.  (If you are fully OSIfied, you may prefer to say "built around
the model of International Alphabet number 5".)

(Devotees of computer-industry history will note that the cover of
the February 1983 issue of BYTE featured a newly announced computer
system which promised to change the way people used computers--the
Apple Lisa.  And I happen to think that the editorial on page 6 was
well written.  :-)

-- 
 ....Richard S. Shuford  | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation;
 ....shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  but when the wicked rise to power, men go into
 ....BIX: richard        |  hiding."  Proverbs 28:12 NIV
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.iso
From: venki@ece.scarolina.edu (Venki M. S. Iyer)
Subject: Protocol modelling tools?
Summary: Are there any pub-domain protocol modelling tools available?
Keywords: protocol modelling, tools, petri nets, estelle, lotos
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:29:25 GMT

Apologies for the cross-post, but are there any public domain protocol
modelling tools available?  Could be Estelle, LOTOS, or even petri-net
based.  I know of Verdi from MCC, but I do not think it is pub. domain.

Any comments/suggestions pointers will be gratefully accepted.

Please E-mail and I will summarize if there is sufficient interest.

-venki
--
venki@ece.scarolina.edu	          Venki M. S. Iyer  (803)777-7449
Opinion? I'm just a warm body.         DoDer #0429
From: mtarrani@crash.cts.com (Mike Tarrani)
Subject: Re: What is NTDS?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 01 Sep 92 18:58:14 PDT
Keywords: NTDS

In article <1992Sep1.192843.7951@tcsi.com> jrk@nittany.tcs.com (John Koper) writes:
>Can anyone give me a brief description of NTDS?  I belive
>it's some kind of protocol used in the military and I think
>it stands for "Navy Tactical Data Standard"?  I tried archie
>but had no luck finding anything.
>
>thanks in advance,
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>John Koper				| jrk@tcs.com
>Software Engineer			| 2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA 94704
>Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.	| (510) 649-3592

NTDS stands for Naval Tactical Data System -- one of the reasons that
you won't find much information is that it is classified.  The
communications links, such as Link 11 and Link 14, are also not
going to turn up from an archie search .  Want more [non-classified]
information email me.
From: levin@erg.sri.com (Larry Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: Announcement: New book on XTP
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:46:04 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Aug24.203712.23430@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wts@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Tim Strayer) writes:
>
>                   XTP: The Xpress Transfer Protocol
>
>                               W. Timothy Strayer
>                               Bert J. Dempsey
>                               Alfred C. Weaver
>
>                               With a Foreword by Greg Chesson.
>
>
>In "XTP: The Xpress Transfer Protocol," the authors offer a keen insight
>into XTP based on their participation in the evaluation, design, and
>implementation of the protocol. Assuming a general knowledge of computer
>
>Currently available.  Pricing and ordering information available through
>Addison-Wesley, 1-800-238-9682
>
>ISBN 0-201-56351-7

I have no opinion as to the quality of this book but I have a definite 
opinion about an author (or anyone else) who places a commercial 
advertisement on the net for their own product/service. I was of the
 belief that this was not the purpose of this forum.

I also question the value to the reader of a book review written by one 
of the authors. I assume this to be the case since the message was posted 
by Mr Strayer and the  statements made are not attributed to any other 
source. The authors may indeed "offer a keen insight into XTP". I would
 prefer however to have that evaluation come from an independant source.

Larry Levin
Information Systems-Engineering Center
SRI International
levin@erg.sri.com
From: art@acc.com (Art Berggreen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: What is NTDS?
Keywords: NTDS
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:06:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: acc.1992Sep1.210617.27780
Organization: ACC, Advanced Computer Communications

In article <1992Sep1.192843.7951@tcsi.com> jrk@nittany.tcs.com (John Koper) writes:
>Can anyone give me a brief description of NTDS?  I belive
>it's some kind of protocol used in the military and I think
>it stands for "Navy Tactical Data Standard"?  I tried archie
>but had no luck finding anything.

In the dim, gray past, I designed a couple of NTDS interfaces.
I even still have the spec: MIL-STD-1397(SHIPS)  1973

NTDS was (is?) basically a parallel data channel for military computers.
Although a serial version was defined, I never saw one.

NTDS channels are very similar to the "Word Channels" on older UNIVAC machines.
I don't know if UNIVAC drove NTDS specs or vice versa.

Basically the interface was full duplex with several data lines and a
data ready control.  The receiver would accept the data and toggle a
data accepted control line.

There were also several variants for the electrical interface
(NTDS-slow -15V, NTDS-fast -3V, NTDS-anew +3.5V).

Hope this helps,
Art
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: looking for NAPLPS discussion
Keywords: NAPLPS
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:20:22 GMT


I didn't see the original article so I'm following up publicly--for all the
information you could ever want re NAPLPS, email    dave@well.sf.ca.us

Trust me on this :-).

(Dave Hughes, NAPLPS evangelist :-)
Kathleen Creighton
casey@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.dcom.modems
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: ARA vs. Shiva NetModem
Organization: Public Health Research Institute, New York
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:17:16 GMT

	Given the same raw bit rate (say, 14,400 bps), is there any reason
to believe that either ARA or using a Shiva NetModem in remote dial-in
(bridging) mode will give better performance than the other?
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: wilson@sigma7.signet.com (Wilson E. Sawyer)
Subject: AppleTalk Update-based Routing Protocol
Organization: Sigma Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:29:58 GMT

On my "Inside AppleTalk" poster, I see a box entitled "AppleTalk
Update-based Routing Protocol". Can someone tell me the status
of this protocol? Is it in use? Planned? Published? Obsolete?

Thanks
- Wilson Sawyer
  wilson@signet.com
From: anna@cis.njit.edu (anna leung)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: (CAP ) aarpd error
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:10:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

I just installed CAP 6.0 (p100) on a Sun workstation
running Sun OS 4.1.2
I chose enet and Native EtherTalk.

However, when I started

aarpd le0 my_name

I got the following error messages

open: /dev/enetXX: No such file or directory
18:07:41 09/03/92  pi_open: aarp_init: No such file or directory
init_enet: network initialization failed

I had made /dev/enet0 and /dev/enet1
Have I missed anything?

I am planning to print from Mac to Sun,
with the Sun running Sun OS 4.1.2 and NewSprint 2.0
and the Mac running System 6.0.7.
can it be done without any gatway boxes (such as Gatorbox)?
The Mac has an ethernet card and VersaTerm installed.
What do I need to do on the Mac?

thanx

anna     
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From: ken@Cayman.COM (Ken Siegel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: ARA vs. Shiva NetModem
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:34:18 GMT
	<haase-280892133902@macpkh.meediv.lanl.gov>
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.dcom.modems
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: haase@meediv.lanl.gov's message of 28 Aug 92 19:43:19 GMT


   In article <1992Aug28.181716.23706@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu
   (Roy Smith) wrote:
   > 
   > 	Given the same raw bit rate (say, 14,400 bps), is there any reason
   > to believe that either ARA or using a Shiva NetModem in remote dial-in
   > (bridging) mode will give better performance than the other?

   Interesting point.....I have both types of Dial-in on our net. I dial-in
   @ 9600bps and with the NetModem E's I get about 900 bytes per second
   transfer rate. Using LanRovers at the same speed it's about 700 bytes
   per second for the same file, the transfer rate difference could be due
   to the fact that the Netmodem's on Ethernet and the LanRover is on
   LocalTalk....

I think you will find that compared to the serial port speed, both Ethertalk
and localtalk are so much faster that they are not the bottleneck. What is
going on on the net that you have both of these devices on?

								Ken
--
*******************************************************************************

 Ken Siegel                                           Internet: ken@cayman.com
 Cayman Systems, Inc                                     Phone: 617/494-1999
 26 Landsdowne Street                                      FAX: 617/494-9270
 Cambridge, MA 02139                                 AppleLink: D0523
From: jas@proteon.com (John A. Shriver)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: AppleTalk Update-based Routing Protocol
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:11:58 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Well, Apple was handing out:

	"AppleTalk Update-based Routing Protocol Enhanced AppleTalk
	Routing", Beta Draft, May 8, 1992.

at InterOp in Washington, DC.  I presume someone at Apple will provide
a copy.  Maybe you have to join APDA.  (If you're serious about Apple
software or protocol development, you want to be an APDA member.)
From: anstine@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu (David Anstine)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Printing from RS6000 to Laserwriter IIg
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:50:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I need to print from a cluster of RS6000's to a Laserwriter IIg.
Unfortunately they are separated by a few rooms so using the IIg's serial
port is probably out of the question.

We have a Gatorbox available, and I have suggested running Gatorprint on
it. Are there any other ways I can send print jobs from the RS6000's, thru
ethernet, to the IIg?

Gracias in advance,
-dave
From: don@lclark.edu (Don Weston)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Ethernet configuration of Webster Gateways
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:38:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug31.163831.13775
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

L&C has several Websters which are behaving strangely.  All basic services
work, but we are not able to assign zones for the backbone ethernet based
Macintoshes.  When we go to the control panel and select network, then
double click on Ethertalk Phase 2, sometimes a complete list of zones comes
up (but we cannot select any but the Ethernet backbone) or more often just
the Ethernet backbone shows, even though we have about 15 more zones that
should register.

Things we have tried:

o	Limiting the network to one Webster configured as Ethernet seed
	with Phase 2 

o	Assigning all zones to the Backbone Ethernet


Probably there is one particular packet type that needs to be suppressed,
though I feel like I should be able to tell the Webster about the 15 zones that
live on the Ethernet backbone without telling the gateway to be a seed.
(Is a no seed network possible?)  I understand the need for a default zone, 
but would really like to be able to set the active zone of an ethernet based 
fileserver to any of the localtalk zones.   


	Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

				Don Weston, Jr.
				Academic Network Consultant
				Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
				don@lclark.edu
-- 
Blah blah blah
 -Don
From: larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: ARA
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:45:33 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies


  Is the specification for ARAP availiable?  Since I am not an
APDA member, that would not be a useful source.

  Similarly, how about the Shiva remote protocol?

  Or are both of these secret proprietary protocols?

  Thanks,

	Alan
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: 6669030@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: CAP  LPR Abend in VM/ESA HELP!!!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:19:25 GMT

We have the Columbia Appletalk Package version of LPR running on in a
disconnected VM machine on a VM/ESA system.  It is serving numerous postscript
print requests from a CADAM system which is networked to VM/ESA via RSCS.
A CADAM program has been set up for the users to submit these jobs to CMS,
where the hot reader wakes up, stores the file and issues the LPR command.
The LPR module is sending the postscript files, which are huge, to a Sun
workstation connected via TCP/IP.  The CADAM users are overjoyed.  They can
get their drawings (albeit on 8.5x11 output) in minutes, instead of waiting
overnight for courier service.  Hence, the usage of this facility is booming.

However....we get the following abend way too often (30-40% of the time)

Trace follows
_______________________________________
|  >>>              "LPR   DATA DATA (P LWRITER J SSD_B577_6750SH%RSCS%SP%P"
|
|  HOSTS ADDRINFO not found.
|
| AMPX032I High bound checking error
|       TRACE BACK OF CALLED ROUTINES
|  ROUTINE                          STMT AT ADDRESS IN MODULE
|  SENDFILE                           38    00025FBC   LPR
|  SENDIT                              4    00026636   LPR
|  <MAIN-PROGRAM>                     42    00026C40   LPR
|  VSPASCAL                                 00028B4A
|  .
|  (thousands of lines of the above TRACE BACK....have been deleted)
|  .
| AMPX032I High bound checking error
|      TRACE BACK OF CALLED ROUTINES
|  ROUTINE                          STMT AT ADDRESS IN MODULE
|  SENDFILE                           38    00025FBC   LPR
|  SENDIT                              4    00026636   LPR
| AMPX999S NOTIFY VS PASCAL SUPPORT:  RECURSIVE ERROR IN RUNTIME ENVIRONMENT
| DMSABE155T User abend 0016 called from 00055A86 reason code 00000000
|_______________________________

I notified IBM Pascal support, and obviously they could do nothing w/out
the source code.  To our knowledge, Columbia doesn't give out any source
w/ their "Share-ware".  I am in the process of contacting someone at
Columbia, but in the meantime I thought I would post this and possibly
get lucky in case someone knows about it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated....or direct me to the right newsgroup
for this....

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