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From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: Re: Re:
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:08:19 GMT

I wonder if we could invent a new type of soaker for dry lanes...Has
anyone tried soaking a ball in 40 weight over night??? ;-)

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From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Adjusting??? What that is???
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:45:58 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com

Sorry about how terse the last post was, my News server wouldn't accept the
original text and I had to trim 30% of my response away.  Then again, maybe
that's good.   ;-)

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jjb@seeker.mystic.com (Jack Bailey)
Subject: Re: ..and...lift & turn & pivot & belch...and...lift & turn & pivot &.....
Organization: Mystic Software Pittsburg, Ca
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:36:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.143925.25312@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>What I'm really looking for is a ball that will break early, and
>hold it's track into the pocket.  I really don't want a radical
>break on the back end nor something that will be impossible to
>handle on dry conditions.
>
 ...
>
>suggestions?
>

Purple Hammer, positive, thumb, pin in.  Works great for me.
Perhaps also a Blue Hammer (I had one once, but drilled differently).

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday t
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A771CAEEB8012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:56:30 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:59:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.163019.22385@europa.asd.contel.com> Bob Ashley,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>Oh, wait a sec ... today's Thursday, isn't it?  It looks like Aki forgot
>that some of his leaguers read this thing ... you *are* bowling tonight,
>eh Aki?  You say you're ... 29 right?  Yeah, and that's when I'll believe
>that 115 average of yours ...   :-)
>


oh gawd...

yeah that's it..I'm....uh...25!  yeah THAT'S the ticket!


...geez..



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The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
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All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Subject: Re: oily lanes
Reply-To: mgg@ece.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Organization: ECE Department, CMU
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:46:01 GMT

The red hammer (which I use) seems to work rather well on oily
conditions unless you have lots of oil and a dry back end. I've also
seen success with the blue, burgundy, and black hammers, plus the
purple Nitro.

					MGG
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:28:36 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Adjusting??? What that is???
 <93007.100514MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jan7.155401.3662@cas.org>

In article <1993Jan7.155401.3662@cas.org>, cwm54@cas.org () says:
>
>In article <93007.100514MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes:
>>
>>Almost every time we bowled, we would need to pause for a moment somewhere
>>during our games to allow our pair to be oiled.  That's right; throw a few
>>shots, get all lined up, and then have your lanes oiled, and keep right on
>>bowling with the same hard plastic ball.  Yes, this is the true meaning of
>>adjusting to lane conditions.

Maybe I should have been cleared here.  After the oiling was done and I kept
right on bowling with the same ball, significant adjusting was required if
there was any interest in continued scoring.

>>There seems to be a lot of "one house" bowler talk going on here too.  Last
>>year I bowled two leagues a week in different houses (one synthetic and one
>>wood) with little difficulty.  I take my bowling ball with me sometimes when
>>I travel.  Last time I did this was at Showboat Lanes in Las Vegas.  I don't
>>know what the big deal is.  I grab my one bowling ball and throw it at them
>>pins and adjust 'til I can hit 'em.  It works the VERY SAME way at EVERY
>>house I've ever bowled in!
>
>        Do you bowl a straight ball?

Don't quit your day job; your comedy career needs a lot more work!  Of course,
I don't throw a straight ball.  If I did, why would I have to adjust anything?
Why would I care if they oiled in the middle of my game.  Hell, I was in high
school at that time; I would have still been dumb enough to think the oil
machine was some kind of automatic dusting machine if I had been throwing a
straight ball.

If your asking am I some contortionist cranker standing in the left gutter
throwing at the one board with my arm and wrist turned all inside out and
struggling to keep from breaking back across the whole rack and not even
hitting the 7 pin; no, I don't do that either!

I am a right hander.  I used to stand on the center dot and throw over the
second arrow.  Sometimes I dabbled with a shot from two dots right of center
and throw over the first arrow.  When I started using my Columbia yellow dot
Legend about 6 months ago, my preference for these two shots reversed.  So,
my shot is over the first arrow now and I *HATE* when my ball goes straight!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:13:57 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: alt.sport.bowling LIVES!

In article <1993Jan5.201408.14982@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> says:
>
>a.  a torn rotator cuff in my right shoulder
>b.  6 torn muscles in my right forearm.
>c.  tennis elbow in my right elbow.
>d.  a pulled tendon in my right ring finger.

The National Star has provided me with huge piles of money to share my
1993 predictions in their publication.  I have a few "leftover" predictions
that the Star deemed "uninteresting" to the general public.  One on my
predictions that the Star did not publish is that Aki Damme will become a
lefthanded bowler in 1993.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: simpson@moonchild.rtp.dg.com (Guy Simpson)
Subject: Re: Re: Dry Lanes
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:04:06 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1993Jan7.204418.14825@worldbank.org>, aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
|> In article <1993Jan07.140740.34776@watson.ibm.com> Andy Cookingham,
|> cookinga@vnet.ibm.com writes:
|> >Should we start a thread about how the ABC should regulate things better?
|> >
|> 
|> Yes, I've seen alot of true 200 plus bowlers frustrated with the
|> current lane conditions, especially when they seen a "straight" bowler
|> bowling with a ten year old plastic ball average 200 and they are
|> only averaging 180 or 190 but what can we do?  
|> 

Well, my experiences are just the opposite.  What frustrates the high-average 
bowler is a high-scoring shot where someone pulls out one of the new 
techno-balls, has 5 boards of area and takes full advantage of it, knows 
nothing about bowling except crank it up and throw it right, and consistently 
shoots over 200 by throwing mega strikes.  The shot-making capabilities (and 
therefore the advantage) of the high-average bowler are neutralized.  

This does not happen by someone throwing a straight plastic ball.  If someone 
can average over 200 throwing a 10-year old plastic ball virtualy straight,
then I take my hat off to that person and say he's (or she's) a darn good 
bowler.  That bowler is loosing hitting power both from the ball and the 
angle of impact.  Got to be pretty accurate to average 200 that way.

One has to be careful when saying that dry lanes increase scoring.  It's
not dry lanes, it's the oiling pattern.   Lanes score high because the
oiling pattern allows the bowler to create more area on the lanes to hit
the pocket.  You only need a break-down of oil ( from some amount to less)
on the right spots on the lanes to do this; i.e. you need drier boards but 
not dry boards.  

IMHO it's simply not right to say that dry lanes increase scoring.  I 
believe it's the oiling pattern (generally lots of oil in the middle and
less on the gutters) that allow the use of the techno balls that hook for 
anyone and hit like a ton.


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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Re:
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:42:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan8.180819.28766@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>I wonder if we could invent a new type of soaker for dry lanes...Has
>anyone tried soaking a ball in 40 weight over night??? ;-)

Whew!  Keep a *tight* grip on that backswing, please!

Also, can you picture the spray pattern from a "spinner" flying down the lane?




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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Subject: Re: oily lanes
Reply-To: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:23:22 GMT

In article 726182218@mik.uky.edu, michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward) writes:
>
>  Just curious to know what are good bowling balls for oily conditions?  I always bowl right after they oil the lanes in my league so they are always oily.     Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
>Michael Ward

You could use one of the old standards like a Columbia U-dot (or U2), but I would
look into something like: a burgandy Hammer, blue nitro, or a black Sumo.  How much hooking do you want?  You might want to consider one of the new Pro-Extremes.

Of course, if you don't throw a hook, stick with what you got.  ;-)

Carl
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   "Sushi!   That's what my ex-wife called me.  Cold fish." -- Blade Runner

   Up the long ladder and down the short rope,
   To Hell with King Billy and God bless the Pope. -- traditional
From: xtap@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tony Peacock)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Re:
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:41:18 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <1993Jan8.202330.28592@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:

Some stuff deleted!

>Ah....a Youngs Ramrod on tap during league....:-) :-) :-) :-)
>
>to hell with bowling...gimme the sounds of pins falling and a pint-o-ale
>and a wide screen T.V. with a Redskins game on!

Looks like you will have to wait until NEXT SEASON!  :)  

GO COWBOYS.. :)

>*************************************************************
>Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
>The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
>Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
>PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
>*************************************************************
>All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
>*************************************************************

The same disclaimers and such.. :)

Tony,....
From: JNKST41@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Reactive Resin Balls
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:29:04 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

Hi

A question about the new RR bowling balls available ...

What are the inherent characteristics of this equipment?  Did I read in an 
earlier post that these balls have more inherent "give" and allow for more 
error while still hitting like a mack truck?  Given a conservative drilling 
pattern, will a rather porous ball polish up nicely for when the 
management forgets to oil the lanes?

Thanks for your time.

Walter
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From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Adjusting??? What that is???
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu <Mark Allan Hunt>
Organization: Hunt Technologies
Originator: mahunt@c00317-2114bl.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <93006.58698.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Adjusting??? What that is???
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:18:18 PST

  I am currently bowling in a league that scheduled  15 minutes after the lanes
are soaked with oil.  Before 5pm, I have some really good (for me) games, but,
after 5pm, I get to put into practise, the art of adjusting.  Since I have a
relatively low average anyway, it can't hurt my game to move 5 boards here, &
10 boards there, an arrow over there, or maybe use that whiter board between
the 2nd & 3rd arrows?  It might take 1.8 games to finally find a nice track,
in those 3" oil waves...but it happens eventually...  I have noticed that in
heavy oil, I get better pin action, when I go "brooklyn", & I get a whole
$#!+load of "pocket splits" when I get it in the pocket. :-{{{  Sometimes
through the nose works for me, as long as I had a strong follow through (I
know if I didn't when the "tricky Dick" appears)  The whole key is to
Stay Calm (beer helps...unless you drink to many...there's a difference be-
tween calm & careless.  Really, Aki!)
  I was a bitcher about the oily lanes, but I guess that if I ever get good
on those, I might be good just about anywhere else?
  Pamela

============================================================================

The main thing to remember is that even with all the oil (long oil) if there
is a good (Clean) I stress Clean back end the ball will snap. Where I bowl in
Wilson, North Carolina all they do is dump a weeks worth of triple oil down
before they strip and clean the lanes. Adjusting is hard as hell in that house
because when you do finally get lined up you lose your shot due to all the other
league bowlers. The only thing I bitch about is the fact that they don't clean
the lanes on a regular basis like three times a week. And yes if you can bowl
in a hard house other houses are easier. When most of the pros adjust to the
condition they do make big adjustments like 20-30 boards. Also you have to know 
when to move your line (or mark). I line bowl and don't use the arrows. I have
bowled in a couple of regionals and many proams and the hardest thing to do is
making the adjustment from lane to lane (quickly). Most pros use the first two 
frames for adjustment then after that bamm,bamm-they strike like crazy.

mark
From: ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Score high, sweet Lutre King
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:27:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


:As I have discussed recently, I had a great deal of success with my Blue
Nitro last year.  I averaged 216 and 210 in the leagues I bowled last year.
 
This year has been very different.  My Blue Nitro has leverage weight with
no top, no side, no finger weight at all.  But this year I just couldn't
score with it.  In September I purchased a Black Turbo.  This has the same
core weight block as the nitro but a more porous surface.  My Black Turbo 
is drilled leverage weight with a small amount of finger weight.  It
goes longer than my nitro and hooks harder at the back end (due to the finger
weight).
 
Well to make a long story short, I recently put my Blue Nitro into a 
Lustre King to "wax it up".  Well low and behold, I'm bowling my best during
the last few weeks.  The nitro NOW goes much longer (due to the wax) and
still hits with that power I remember from last year.  I can now play a
much more conventional line (meaning down and in). The ball no longer hooks
early.  The number of wide open spilts is way down and my scores are way
up.
 
We have been discussing lane conditions recently and I thought you might be
interested in a old technique (Lustre King) which still has merit.  The
toughest part is finding one which is in good shape.  So if you find
yourself throwing the ball from one ditch to the other,  try a little wax.
 
Last three league nights (705, 720, 594 and 726 last night).  Hope it
continues.  This years averages (212, 202, 205) and climbing.
 
Jerry
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: ..and...lift & turn & pivot & belch...and...l
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:16:42 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek) writes:
> 
** good stuff deleted **

> Well thats my two cents worth.  Also I read from a recent post that some
> of you enjoy "fly fishing" and that the best place for it is in Colorado.
> I was wondering what you guys do with the flys once you catch them, and why
> is Colorado so great?  Around Cleveland, just leave a old apple on the 
> porch during July and watch the flys come running.

We eat them of course!  These High Altitude flies have good weight and
lots of protein!

:-)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: M11745@mitre.org (John G. Wagner)
Subject: Re: 
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:38:54 GMT

Rhino pro's are a sticky ball and would, if drilled the same, out hook all 
the other balls you mentioned. I use a beast on dry conditions and found 
that if I hold my hand open, (just a little),
that I can get the ball to get down the lane and then hook like a scared 
dog. ( the pins must be cats of course) ; )   Most REAL bowlers hate dry 
lanes because it takes away from the game, it
lets the guys that have little or no control of there game play against 
the edge and score VERY HIGH! when if there was just a touch of oil on the 
outside the ball would just slide into the ditch
and the GOOD bowlers suffer because we learned to bowl on LONG! oil and 
now, we cann't throw the ball hard enough to get it through the heads, let 
alone to the break point. 
Enough of my crying for one day, I'll just roll the old white dot and blue 
turbo, both gravity and the BEAST which hits from the EAST and keep my 2 
bill average right on the edge.

P.S. GIVE ME OIL OR GIVE ME DEATH!


John G. Wagner
email M11745@mitre.org
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:01:29 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: alt.sport.bowling LIVES!
 <JNKST41.117.0@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU>

In article <JNKST41.117.0@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU>, JNKST41@VM1.CIS.PITT.EDU (Walter
Perz) says:
>
>In article <1993Jan5.201408.14982@worldbank.org>
>aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>[...]
>>I messed up my finger and the LOWEST set I've bowled is 641!...
>>
>>DAMN!  I can't wait till I BREAK MY ARM!...oooOOOOoooo   900
>>set here I come!
>>
>
>Wow!  What an enlightenment!  You mean the more you get hurt, the higher
>your average goes?  And here I was trying to heal the ligaments in my leg.
>
>Maybe I should visit Aki's house of pain :-)

No no no!  In your case, Walter, you'll need to make a small adjustment to
benefit from the onset of pain.  Once you start releasing the ball with your
ligamentless leg you'll see quite an improvement.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: What do you think of ProAms
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:48:38 PST

fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin) writes:

>Hello all,

>In a couple of months there's going to be a Pro/Am tourniment in my area.
>I've been thinking of entering it and was wondering if any of you have
>participated in one of the Pro/Am tourniments.

>It costs $100 for three games (5 amateurs and 1 professional) and no matter
>how you do in the tourniment, you either get an embroidered commemorative
>jacket or a Pro Rhino ball, your choice.  Is it worth it?

Do you want to see the pros and be with the pros?  Do you want their
autograph?  Do you want to take a picture with them?  Do you want to
duke it out on the lanes with them (well, you'll be playing 3-6-9 and
they'll be bowling for real)?  YES, IT'S WORTH IT.  I

I have been to lots of mens and womens pro-ams.  All the pros are real
nice, friendly and supportive.  The only thing that I don't like is that
you don't always see a NAME (i.e. Weber, Monacelli, Bohn) when you go.  I
understand that there is a kind of lottery system that determines who bowls
what pro-am squads, which will include your local pros that are participating
in the tournament.  

If you have kids that like bowling, take them.  They eat it up!
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: (whine) I wanna hook like the guys do!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:38:55 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> I just need some sleep...and maybe a colt 45?  That seems to settle a lot of
> arguments in CA...maybe I need to take up fly hunting?  Does one take their
> spouse, when they go fly hunting???  Just how cold is it, in the hunting
> grounds of Colorado?  Are the flies frozen? Freeze dried?  have a good weekend.
> I'm going hunting *NOW*...

Cold??  Well we have 2 inches of snow this morning and expect snow for
the  next  3 or  4  days....  so.....  and  also  we  have  14  degree
Farenheit  temperatures  so, No it is not  cold.  Unless  it is in the
negative  numbers it is  warm....  The air is very dry here...  As far
as "Fly Hunting"  goes, the flies are sleeping  right now, so you must
work much harder to find them.  Though  when you do find them they are
much more tasty!!!  I also  perfered my .44 Magnum to a .45 when I was
in CA!  :-)