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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:03:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Dimitris Ioannis Tsioutsias <tsioutsias-dimitris@CS.YALE.EDU>
From:         Dimitris Ioannis Tsioutsias <tsioutsias-dimitris@CS.YALE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: o tselementes ...
Comments: To: hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu
Comments: cc: tsiotsias@CS.YALE.EDU

On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:50:25 EDT Stratos Safioleas writes:

>File Dnmntrn.

>To ti 0a kataggeilei o Rekleitns kavovika prepei va se afnvei eseva kai
>emeva adiaforo. (O Rekleitns dev eivai dnmosio proswpo kai dev ekproswpei
>kaveva 0elw va pw, opws kai kavevas mas) To va mn bgaivei omws n politikn
>e3ousia stnv Ellada va kataggeilei tnv Astuvomikn bia eivai avnsuxntiko.
>ai eivai avnsuxntiko giati n bia tns e3ousias eivai n pio asudotn kai n
>katalusn twv 0esmwv apo tous upoti0emevous 0ematofulakes tous prepei va
>sou prokalei tromo.

        File Strato,

        Ksexnas omws oti h astynomia sthn Ellada se paromoies
        periptwseis (diadhlwsewn, katalhpsiwn, klp.) echei parei
        apo tous politikous "grammh" gia to ti tha kanei se aytes
        tis katastaseis. An h tade kybernhsh thelei na thn xrhsimopoiei
        dynamika, stelnei tous astynomikous na deiroun, na syllaboun,
        na eisballoun edw .h. ekei. An thelei na deiksei dhmokratiko
        proswpo kai "katanohsh sta problhmata twn politwn" tha echei
        xalara ta louria.

        Yparchei ontws kati anhsyxhtiko sthn olh istoria, alla ayto den
        einai h asydosia ths astynomias alla h asydosia twn kybernhsewn.

        Den thelw na pw oti se kathe ropalia .h. pyrobolismo, brisketai
        apo pisw amesa kapoios apo tous fwsthres tou ethnous mas, alla
        h dikh tous "politikh" einai ayth pou kathorizei tis energeies
        ths astynomias.

        Emena den me anhsyxei to an efage ksylo kapoios athwos kata lathos
        pou etyxe na brisketai mesa sta epeisodia ("mazi me ta ksera kaigontai
        kai ta xlwra", kai mporei na mhn mas aresei alla praktika einai
        adynaton mesa sto xamo, ta kapnogona kai tis molotwf na kathetai
        o kathe astynomikos na zhtaei taytothta.) Me anhsyxei pou
        SYMBAINOYN ayta ta epeisodia. An kapoios thelei na mou katastrepsei
        to magazi kai na mou balei fwtia sto aytokinhto, fysika kai tha
        kalesw thn astynomia kai malista tha echw apaithsh na epembei
        amesa gia na prostatepsei emena kai thn periousia mou apo ton
        kathe psyxanwmalo.

        Opws poly swsta anefere kai kapoios allos prin, yparchoun kai
        astynomikoi pou ekmetalleyontai th thesh kai th dynamh pou tous
        parexei h douleia tous kai thn eksaskoun panw stous polites me
        asxhmo tropo. Einai omws eksaireseis kai proswpika den pisteyw
        oti "statistika" mporei kaneis pou den ftaiei na pesei panw se
        astynomiko pou na ton kakopoihsei (to parapanw paradeigma me to
        ksylo athwwn einai mia apo tis katastaseis pou einai anthrwpinws
        adynato na apofeyxthoun pithanes kakopoihseis politwn. Teleia kai
        payla.)


>0eleis va paradextoume etsi gia mia stigmn oti oi diadnlwtes kai oi avarxikoi
>eivai fasistes kai tsoglavia pou tous tairiazei to kourema; Avte va to para-
>dexoume. Twra pou ikavopoin0nkes kai esu (  :)   ) pese mou se parakalw pws
>auto patsizei tnv dolofovia tou Kalteza; Pws patsizei tnv ev yuxrw ektelesn
>tou Preka; Pws patsizei tis propnlakiseis kai tov 3ulodarmo autwv pou kolla-
>gav tis afisses uper twv Skopiwv; (Diafwvw 100% me tnv topo0etnsn tous alla
>exouv to dikaiwma kai autoi va pouv tnv gvwmn tous!) Pws patsizei tov adiko
>diasurmo kai propnlakismo tou ka0e Skuftouln, Marivou, Mpoukoubala kai
>Iatropoulou; Pws patsizei tous Prw0upourgous pou apofasizouv poioi eivai
>kleftrovia ;


        Den patsizei sigoura oson afora thn apwleia ths zwhs kapoiou
        anthrwpou (Kalteza), alla ksanalew oti opws strwnei kaneis
        koimatai. Kai afou se thlibei toso o thanatos kapoiou anthrwpou
        (opws blepeis den xrhsimopoiw th leksh "athwou" giati apo th
        anakritikh diadikasia proekypse oti o Kaltezas ontws petage
        Molotwf sthn klouba twn MAT) - opws olous mas allwste - giati
        na mhn doume giati pethane. To oti enas astynomikos ton pyrobolhse
        eyriskomenos (opws fainetai, oute parwn hmoun oute tis leptomereies
        ths dikhs gnwrizw) se amyna - kai mhn mou peis oti to na sou
        petaei kapoios molotwf den thetei se kindyno th zwh sou, oute
        san ton Rekleith oti einai sobarh h lysh "as to ebaze sta podia"! -
        mas stenaxwrei gia to thanato enos paidiou alla hta etsi opws
        phgaine efage to kefali tou.

        Gia ton Preka, den htan ap' oti echw katalabei energeia ths
        astynomias san lhpsh prwtoboulias kapoiou organou, alla mallon
        apo allou hrthe entolh. Kapoioi alloi fainetai oti hthelan to
        stoma tou Preka kleisto.

        Oso gia tis ypoloipes periptwseis syllhpsewn, prophlakismwn klp.
        den mporw na parw kapoia thesh giati apla den gnwrizw ta gegonota
        (den einai ypekfygh, apla den gnwrizw ti akribws kai giati egine
        - thymaste me ton ksylodarmo tou R.King sto LA. Oloi eidame ena
        video to opoio edeichne officers na tou rixnoun ksylo, aytos omws
        prospathouse synwxws na shkwthei apo katw kai oute kserw ti
        akribws tous elege ekeinh th stigmh.)

        Oso gia thn teleytaia sou protash, ekfrazei akribws ayto pou
        eipa sthn prwth mou paragrafo: psakste stis kybernhseis kai
        tous pateres tou ethnous na breite tous hthikous aytourgous
        gia kathe "asydosia" twn astynomikwn. Oi teleytaioi einai
        aytoi pou trwne thn mpora otan kapoioi alloi sxediazoun
        politikh sthn plath tous.

>Poios 0a mas prostateyei apo tous prostates, otav o vomos dev isxuei gia
>autous; Poios 0a se prostateyei eseva otav mporei kai va 'r0ei o kairos
>pou to tade kai to deiva komma stnv e3ousia dev 0a egkrivei tov politiko sou
>logo kai 0a tov briskei "epikivduvo e0vika", "avtikoivwviko", "avn0iko";
>Poios 0a se prostateyei otav n e3ousia 0a sou ka0orizei ti va diabazeis kai
>ti va dnmosieueis, me poious va kaveis parea kai pote ofeileis va tous katag-
>geileis; (Blepe tov... avtitromokratiko vomo)

>Ti loipov 0a mas kavei toso diaforetikous apo tis Sibnries kai ta Sobiet pou
>toso sou prokalouv avtrixila;


        Ta parapanw me briskoun apolyta symfwno mazi sou alla den
        nomizw oti echoun sxesh me to "misos" twn politwn kata ths
        astynomias. As "mishsoume" prwta aytous pou mas kybernoun
        mia kai apo ekei phgazei kathe deino pou symbainei sth
        xwra ta teleytaia xronia.

>Avte geia xara,
>Stratos kai Kurstratos
>     Di kai Ci


        Geia sou kai sena,

        ->dimitris
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