HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grover@mighty-joe.isri.unlv.edu (Kevin Grover)
Subject: Re: Gear Information
Reply-To: grover@isri.unlv.edu
Organization: Information Science Research Institute (UNLV-ISRI)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:50:34 GMT

In article <16fqubINN9qu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, jdale@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Dale) writes:
) 
) I'd like to point out that Timothy Roberts is generously compiling a set of
) reviews of gear by real scuba divers -- us!  If you have ever used gear
) (regulators, computers, consoles, dry suits; don't bother with the cheap stuff
) unless it's exotic like that no-flood snorkel (I don't believe it, do you?))
) please email him your comments.  Include where you got it, how much, how much
) and how hard you've used it, and how it worked.  Also what kind it is....
) email to:
)    troberts@aoc.nrao.edu
) 
) I bet he'll be awfully surprised to see this note.  Hi Tim!  Let's all see if
) we can deluge him with reviews.  We ought to be able to build a database as
) good as the dive site list on nasa.ames.  Gee, I hope he didn't change his
) email address.... :)
) 
) Once we get it together, we can point people who want to know about gear at
) it so they have reviews of a lot of brands and types of gear that they can
) believe, not like in Skin Diver mag....

Sounds like a great idea.  However, before everyone starts flooding
troberts@aoc.nrao.edu with email, I think a post from him indicating
that he really wants the info would be appropriate, no?

- kev

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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: root@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (Operator)
Subject: Re: Difference between the NASDS/SSI/PADI/NAUI/YMCA Advanced?
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.162314.12608@infonode.ingr.com>  
daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens) writes:
> 
> |> 
> |> What's about the CMAS / VDST certifications?
> |> 
> |> I know they're not very common in US but I'm a CMAS ** (VDST Silver)  
diver
> |> and wanna know where are the differences.
> |> 
> |> If there are problems to compare the certifications,
> |> I can give you some details of the courses ...
> |> 
> |> Greetings
> |> Jan
> 
> ------
> 
> I hold certifications from YMCA, PADI, CMAS and NSS-CDS.  One of the  
nice
> things about YMCA and CMAS is if you hold a certification in one, all
> you have to do is submit the money and paperwork to receive an equal
> certification in the other.
> 
> Daryl Owens
> YMCA/CMAS - AI
> 

Sounds nice ...
can you give some details?
adress, how much money, paperwork??

Happy
Jan
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: par@teak18.cray.com (Peter Rigsbee)
Subject: Re: Article in Current _SCUBA Times_
Originator: par@teak18
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:54:10 CDT


In article <1992Aug21.124938.269@hou.amoco.com>, zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore) writes:
> In article 15229@odin.corp.sgi.com, mango@nova.esd.sgi.com (Eric Manghise) writes:
> >	
> >	It sounds like you have been totally indoctrinated into the world
> >	of PADI which preaches never dive without a buddy, which is not
> >	bad advice. 
> 
> Many/most/all of the certifiying agencies suggest that one always have a 
> buddy to go diving, but I'm not sure if any agency attempts to mandate it.
> Of course, I could be wrong, as I believe PADI attempts to mandate that 
> graduates of their OWI course can only dive to 60 ft or less.

I got my certifications (OW and AOW) from PADI, but I never treated the
information from the classes as gospel or as mandates.  Instead, I saw the
classes as teaching skills and providing information to get me started
diving, and figured that over time I would discard some of the skills and
suggestions in favor of what appeared or worked out to be better ones.  And
this is what I've done.  My fourth dive was to 98 feet.  I've been on 
dives with a group of 6 divers and no single buddy (don't remember that
option from class!).  I went on four night dives with just an OW certication.
And so on.

In many ways, I treated the classes as I did the driver's ed classes back
in high school.  There are many similarities -- you are learning skills to
keep you from killing yourself and others when using equipment in potentially
dangerous situations.  But no one in my driver's ed class ever believed that
once you finished the class, you would always drive with your hands at 10 and
2 on the steering wheel, and that you would use hand signals on a regular
basis.  Instead, you (hopefully) learned the rationale behind the 10 and 2
suggestion, and you learned about hand signals for those rare cases when you 
need to recognize or use them.

Does PADI (or the other agencies) really expect anything different?  I find
this hard to believe.  They may like the idea, from a liability and/or
revenue enhancement point of view, but for my part, they were unsuccessful.

	- Peter Rigsbee
	  par@cray.com
From: gmeg@harvey (Guy Megson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Test posting. Please ignore
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:53:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

This is a test ......

therefore of no real interest to anyone..



!!!!
From: davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:26:49 GMT
Subject: Re: periodic re-certification (was: anyone heard of PDSI?)
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
From: rarobert@ursa9.cs.utah.edu (Robin Roberts)
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:16:58 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug17.031442.4636@syacus.acus.oz.au> johng@syacus.acus.oz.au (John GriffithsMel) writes:
>
>I've been using a dry suit for about ten years and I still use it
>for buoyancy control. I use an ABLJ (horse collar) so maybe thats the difference
>The peole I used to dive with in the UK also all only used their suits no the
>BC. I was wondering why you use your BC??. Down here I only use the dry suit 
>in the winter :-)

Why use your BC?  If your drysuit floods (i've seen it happen), it won't be
much help as a bouyancy control device!  Admittedly, you can ditch your 
weight belt, but that still may not be enough bouyancy to keep you on 
the surface with a flooded suit.  In addition, since most people wear
dry suits in cold water, you have a real hypothermia problem - not the
best position to be in!  A BC might be the difference between a blown
dive day (and expensive dry suit repair), or a trip to the hospital (or
worse).

Like i've said before - air in the dry suit is only for keeping warm and
preventing squeeze.  Using the suit in lieu of a BC is asking for trouble,
like having too much air in the suit... moving the wrong way...  and ending
up in an uncontrolled ascent in the feet-up position. 
(Can you say, "polaris missile"??)

                            robin roberts
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: bcrawfor@sol.UVic.CA (Bryan Crawford)
Subject: Re: Mask straps
Organization: University of Victoria
Distribution: na
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:04:55 GMT

In <1992Aug17.125748.15252@hellgate.utah.edu> rarobert@ursa9.cs.utah.edu (Robin Roberts) writes:

>If your mask is leaking it's for one of two reasons:  either
>your mask just doesn't fit right, or you are one of those people who have
>deep "smile lines" (which run down from your nose to the corners of your
>mouth).  If you're a "smile line" sufferer, here's a tip:  when you put
>your mask on or put a regulator in your mouth, take your two index fingers
>and "draw a mustache".  This technique will smooth out the creases caused
>by the smile lines, and should stop the leak.  

>			Hope this helps...

>			robin roberts  dm-51077

I get leaking mask problems whenever I'm having a partiularly good time...like
when I'm watching my buddy do acrobatics trying to get a playful wolf eel in
front of him instead of wrapped around his legs...funny things happen underwater
and I laugh, then my mask floods.  If I come up from a dive with a dry face
it wasn't a very good dive...but that doesn't happen often :-)

Cheers
-- 

bcrawfor@Sol.UVic.CA  -- member of the society for simple .signatures (SSS)
From: promislo@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (mark.r.promislow)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Florida Keys: Cosgrove Shoal, Marquesas Rock
Keywords: Florida Keys, Cosgrove Shoal, Marquesas Rock
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:11:37 GMT
Followup-To: att!globe2!mrp
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I am interested in diving Cosgrove Shoal and Marquesas Rock, over
the Labor Day weekend.  These sites are roughly 30 miles south west
of Key West.  How do these sites compare with others in the Keys
and does anyone have any recommendations on how to get out there?
Reef Raiders wants $500 for the trip.

Mark Promislow
(908) 949 3419 (work)
(908) 389 8033 (home)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: novice diving questions
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:41:20 GMT

In article <Bt898B.MBo@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
|> peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:
|> 
|> >	of high-quality rental gear that will allow you to try different BCs,
|> >	regulators, guages, tanks, and wet suits before you buy.
|> 
|> what are the odds of picking up a virus from a regulator (ie:
|> like something rented -- are they "cleaned" in any way between
|> users?)

All equipment is rinsed in fresh water when it is returned. How strictly this
is enforced depends upon the shop you are renting from, and it is a good idea
to kind of scope them out on a Sunday or Monday to see what they are doing with
the equipment as it is returned.

As for the chances of contracting something froma rented reg, I have never
heard anecdotally of such a case, and in my opinion the chances are so
vanishingly small as to be completely ignored. However, I'm open to correction
on this. Anybody have hard data?

-- 
Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
From: gcopjjb@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: information on PENANG
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:50:05 GMT
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

In article <1992Aug18.132836.24880@state.systems.sa.gov.au>, gcoppak@state.systems.sa.gov.au writes:
>  I am planning a trip to penang and a little island called Lankowi
>  any information about diving would be great i plan to go in November
> for a couple of weeks 
thats not how you spell langkawi
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: bmacmill@epas.utoronto.ca (Bruce MacMillan)
Subject: Purchasing Used Dive Computers
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:32:38 GMT


-- 
Bruce MacMillan
bmacmill@epas.utoronto.ca
Voice: (416) 599-9261	(519) 542-4572
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba,ny.forsale,bit.listserv.scuba-l
From: mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay)
Subject: Sea Quest BC for sale...
Originator: mstacc@ultb
Reply-To: mstacc@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:34:44 GMT


A friend of mine has a BC for sale:

	Sea Quest Discovery - 1991 (model  year)
	Lime Green and Black
	Size Large
	Soft backpack
	2 tank straps to hold tank
	Trim Grip
	Good for travel 
	Excellent shape, selling because it doesn't fit over dry suit
	Asking $275 or Best Offer

You can contact him directly at 716-381-9412 and leave a message, or
E-mail to this account.
-- 
-Mark Tremblay              
  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu
     Rochester Institute of Technology      Phone:       716.475.2986
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Scuba info on Panama city,FLA.
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:55:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug11.034246.12081@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> jssong@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>Hi folks!  My friends and I are planning to go to Panama city, FLA. on Aug 
>17 and were wondering if any of you diving studs and studettes could brief 
>us on Panama diving.  Any places that we should go or not go?  We are all 

My wife and I dive with Hydrospace in Panama City Beach when we go. They
are a little more expensive than the others, but the service is better
also.

As far as dive sites, try the Chipawau. Its a wreck in about 90 feet
of water and only been down about 3 years. In real good shape and
the water is normally pretty clear (well, for Panama). If you can,
try to get out atleast 10 miles off shore because the closer in sites
tend to be murky. Also, the state park is supposed to have some
walk in diving, a few small boats, etc., that can be pretty nice.
Can't say for sure as never been to that site. Next time.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: computer recomendations?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:51:18 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug12.232747.21137@ads.com> patterso@ADS.COM (Tim J. Patterson) writes:
>
>Skinny-Dipper" or a US Divers Monitor II. 

I've owned both, and liked both, but I would say the USD Monitor II is a clear
winner.  Especially considering your destiation and the reliability history
of the two computers.

Regards, Lee
From: jdale@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Gear Information
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:30:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug13.092405.1266@cs.uow.edu.au> u9026479@cs.uow.edu.au (Brian Alexander Church) writes:
>Hi All,
>
>	I'm relatively new to the underwater world of scuba diving, but like
>it so much that I would like to purchase some equipment. I already have the
>snorkeling equipment ie mask, snorkel, fins and wetsuit and now wish to buy
>a BCD, tank, regulator etc.
>	I've looked around various dive shops, but there is such a wide
>variety of gear, both in brands and cost, that I am at a loss at deciding
>which gear to buy.
>	I'm just looking for some information such as reliability, ease and
>cost of servicing etc.
>	Any replies would be greatly appreciated. E-mail preferred as I don't
>get to read this group very often.
>					Thanx,
>					Brian.

I'd like to point out that Timothy Roberts is generously compiling a set of
reviews of gear by real scuba divers -- us!  If you have ever used gear
(regulators, computers, consoles, dry suits; don't bother with the cheap stuff
unless it's exotic like that no-flood snorkel (I don't believe it, do you?))
please email him your comments.  Include where you got it, how much, how much
and how hard you've used it, and how it worked.  Also what kind it is....
email to:
   troberts@aoc.nrao.edu

I bet he'll be awfully surprised to see this note.  Hi Tim!  Let's all see if
we can deluge him with reviews.  We ought to be able to build a database as
good as the dive site list on nasa.ames.  Gee, I hope he didn't change his
email address.... :)

Once we get it together, we can point people who want to know about gear at
it so they have reviews of a lot of brands and types of gear that they can
believe, not like in Skin Diver mag....
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au (Dan Grimm)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Delphi -> Phoenix Trade-Up Report
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:04:41 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Computer Systems Eng. Dept., Monash Uni.

In article <930551@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>Subject: Re: Delphi -> Phoenix Trade-Up Report
>story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story) writes:
>
>I've run into this several times myself (always with fully redundant air
>on my back, of course, but I digress). The Delphi/Phoenix uses a moving

Dave and David,
This seems to have been an interesting discussion any chance of having 
the original article posted to me?

Now the real reason for this post:-
Having never used an air integrated dive computer (and no one I know diving
here in melbourne,australia, seems to have one),  what do they do when they
think you have exceeded air limits?
The situation I am thinking of is Twin tank diving.
I guess that you have to 'trick' the dive computer into thinking that you
always have lots of air left.
Some of the people I dive with work this way: use 1/2, swap regs, use 1/2
 of other tank, [do deco time if needed] surface. This works fine for non
integrated computers.

Thanks for listening,
Dan

Dan Grimm
Dept. Elec & Comp. Sys. Engineering, Monash Uni. Australia.
ph.(+61 3) 565 3479, Fax 565 3454,     dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Subject: Re: Delphi -> Phoenix Trade-Up Report
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.210304.4271@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay) writes:
>I have also been told about the new US Divers comp that is supposed to
> be an air integrated Montitor II.  Any experience or input on this?
>

Sadly, the new USD computer (Scan 4) is *not* an air-integrated Monitor II.
It has completely a completely different algorithm (the Monitor II is 
Buhlman based - I don't remember what the Scan is).  It has some neat 
features such as a nitrogen loading bar, actual ascent rate indicator, etc.
However, 

1. It *is* air integrated, which I don't care for (yet).  I discussed this
   with Frank Barry, a San Jose area dive legend, and he pointed out that 
   (like analog watches) an analog pressure gauge actually gives you a 
   visual image of your air situation.  It's a *long* way from the 
   red zone, it's *near* the red zone, it's *in* the red zone.  

2. You have to turn it on.  That sucks.

3. It toggles its display *during the dive* between remaining time (based on 
   the minimum of air and N2 avaialability)/current depth  and 
   time of the dive/max depth.   I don't want to look down at my computer
   and have to think very much about what I'm looking at.  Especially if
   I'm at 140' and not at my intellectual best.

I hope they continue building the Monitor.

Regards, Lee
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: drsmith@us.oracle.com (Douglas R. Smith)
Subject: Scubapro Magnum 95 speargun for sale
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:40:52 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


I've recently come into possession of two Magnum 95 spearguns.  Since 
my girlfriend and I don't hunt all they're doing is taking up space in
our already overly crowded garage.  

Neither of the guns has ever been fired and are still in 'factory' 
condition.  I'd like to get about $150 for each (List price is more like 
$220 according to the shops I've talked to.)

If you're interested you can email me or call....

	Day:     (415) 506-2653
	Evening: (408) 370-5080

  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Tools Development (EM)                            400 Oracle Parkway #659412
  Oracle Corporation 	                             Redwood Shores, CA  94065
From: bsweet@crash.cts.com (Bill Sweetman)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: trippin'
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:22:48 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


=-=-=
all -

I'm planning on doing a dive trip this winter.
either cozumel (again) or the caymans.  I know
pretty much about cozumel (be there, loved it),
I'm now looking for some quick opinions on
places to stay in the caymans.  inexpensive but
nice.

ttfn.

-bill

p.s.  diving in SoCal is pretty incredble now
      (water temps way up!  74-76, unbelievable)
=-=-=
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: speckman@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Speckmann)
Subject: Diving near Bejing
Organization: "Lehrstuhl fuer Technische Informatik, Uni Tuebingen"
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:03:16 GMT

I was so lucky to be accepted to a workshop in Bejing, China. I plan to dive after
the workshop. Is there anybody who knows where to go in this region.

Please email

Heike Speckmann


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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:36:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Delphi -> Phoenix Trade-Up Report
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

In rec.scuba, dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:

[stuff about rem-time deleted]

|Of course, of your twin tank has a completely separate regulator that the
|computer is not hooked into, then the air remaining calculations cease to
|have any mean at all once you switch tanks. In this case you'd need TWO
|computers, one on each reg.
|
|-- 
|Dave Waller
|YMCA Instructor

Now, this starts to sound complicated.  If you're even mildly narc'd, it could
start to be dangerous.  

lawrence
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: Karl_Schutz@rand.ORG (Karl Schutz)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: novice diving questions
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:00:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.11759
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

In article <Bt8rsx.918@scd.hp.com>, dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
> In article <Bt898B.MBo@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> |> 
> |> what are the odds of picking up a virus from a regulator (ie:
> |> like something rented -- are they "cleaned" in any way between
> |> users?)
> 
> All equipment is rinsed in fresh water when it is returned. How strictly this
> is enforced depends upon the shop you are renting from, and it is a good idea
> to kind of scope them out on a Sunday or Monday to see what they are doing with
> the equipment as it is returned.
> 
> As for the chances of contracting something froma rented reg, I have never
> heard anecdotally of such a case, and in my opinion the chances are so
> vanishingly small as to be completely ignored. However, I'm open to correction
> on this. Anybody have hard data?
> 

I don't believe that I'm about to do this (cite an article in Skin Diver
Magazine), but, here goes :-) ... 

In the August 1992 issue of SDM there's an article by Fred Bove, M.D., Ph.D.,
starting on page 66, entitled "Stopping the Spread of Infections."  Dr. Bove
discusses both viral and bacterial infections, but does not cite any case
studies nor address rental equipment directly.  However, given that he says that
viruses do not survive long in a dry environment, I would speculate that rental 
gear rinsed and dried would not be a medium for viral transmissions.  Bacteria, 
on the other hand, can survive outside of the body if they find a suitable 
environment.  No particular detail on what constitutes a suitable environment was 
given; however, he did address the possibility of bacterial skin infections being 
transmitted via shared wetsuits.  He further states that thorough soap and water 
washing of shared wetsuits eliminates the risk.  Please see the article for
further information.

I like Dave's suggestion regarding "scoping out" the dive shop.  If the shop
practices good hygiene with respect to their rental stock, the risk of infection
seems minimal to nonexistent.

-- 
Karl F. Schutz
PADI DM-50321
Newsgroups: rec.scuba