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From: cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun)
Subject: Re: Turkish Businessmen in Former Soviet Republics
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.055232.20509@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.185305.15349@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun)
>[CA] Since you had jumped to conclusion about Mutlu being a Turkish
>[CA] goverment agent when you heard the Armenian File on Turkish 
>[CA] Voice at the same time Mutlu was posting the same file in
>[CA] SCT, my theory should have the same credibility 8-).  
>
>Are you saying that I jump to conclusions? Look at what you wrote!

My sentiments exactly.   If you can infer that someone being
Turkish agent when his/her posting coincides with the program in
Voice of Turkey, you should have no problem on what I wrote above.
I was trying to give you the same perspective to make you aware the 
tilt in that logic.  I am sure you've got my message.  

>
>[CA] Would you care to elaborate what happened, why you guys have made the 
>[CA] president so mad like that.                    ^^^^^^^^
>                                                       |
>[CA] Cengiz Akgun                                      |
>                                                       |
>Come on Cengiz, you know that your conclusion is "non-sequitur", and thus
>has no response.
>
>As to what happened between Armenia's Foreign Minister, Raffi Hovanessian and
>the Armenian president, I really don't know. However, there are rumors that it
>may have some connection with the speech Mr. Hovanessian gave in Turkey last 
>month.
>
>Well, Cengiz, I didn't expect such an article from you. You do indeed have a
>wild imagination :-)!
>
 
 Wild imagination?  As long as you are being the master
 around here on this, I cannot consider myself even be a prentice.  
 But, "uzum uzume baka baka kararir,"  rough translation goes
 like "grapes get ripe by looking at each other."    Did you
 take your Turkish translators with you when you had this
 trip.  If not, I cannot believe how big progress your Turkish
 had lately, even allowing you to listen in Turkish slang today. 
 About 4 years ago, you were talking with "Midnight Express" version.

 Seriously though, you can give the scoop what is going
 on in Armenia since the last time you were there.  
 Leave out the military secrets.  The Turkish merchant affairs 
 in Moscow is old news.  You don't go to Moscow to meet blond Russian 
 beauties anymore.  They do house calls in Turkish cities these days, 
 especially in Black sea region.  As far as deals are
 concerned, I knew a couple of industrialist personally that
 they returned from Russia without empty hands.   However,
 we get enough info about Turks/Azeris. So your observation on Turkish 
 business men is not original stuff to us.  On the other hand, the 
 first-hand Armenian news is hardly come by here.  By the way, Turkish 
 press said the same about Raffi's doomsday.  Biting the feeding hands
 is certainly "NO NO" in the culture existing in those parts of
 the world.  I am talking about the Armenian urgent grain request
 from Turkiye, you know.

C. Akgun
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "pol*"s imagination rose with the "palik" smoke.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 16:22:49 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <8064.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) writes:

> So what's with "Yol" and "Duvar" by Guney (spelling?). Are Turks
>prejudiced against Turks?

What effect would that have had on Greek crimes.



 DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)
 
 GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE

 Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
 Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
 crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
 brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three 
 more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
 not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to 
 locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: pibatur@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: request for job contact/s in Turkiye/Turkey
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:47:40 +1000
Distribution: world
Organization: Vassar College


	I am going to return to Turkiye/Turkey in the second
half of Dec'92. I have B.S. Mechanical Engineering (ODTU/METU) and
B.A. Computer Science (Univ.of TX at Austin) degrees. I will be
looking for employment.

	Please let me know if you happen to know/think persons/companies
who would like to see my resume.

	I appreciate your help.

Ender Batur

internet: pibatur@vassar.edu
From: hilmi-er@vida.enet.dec.com (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Kaya'da tatildemiydi?
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:18:45 GMT
Reply-To: hilmi-er@vida.enet.dec.com (Hilmi Eren)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <23464.9211042137@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
|>Path: kth.se!sunic!mcsun!uknet!cf-cm!news
|>From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
|>Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
|>Subject: Kaya'da tatildemiydi?
|>Message-ID: <23464.9211042137@thor.cf.ac.uk>
|>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 22:37:34 MET
|>Sender: news@cm.cf.ac.uk (Network News System)
|>Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
|>Lines: 26
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|>
|>
|>
|>|    -Inonu Koalisyon etkilenmez dedi. SEcim sonuclarina ne
|>|uzulmenin ne de sevinmanin gerektigini belirten SHP lideri,
|>|tatilin RP'ye avantaj sagladigini soyledi.
|>
|>
|>Yahu bu Inonunun ne dedigini anlayamadim. Anlayan varsa soyle
|>bir clue verirse memnun olurum.

+ Inonu,herhalde, "Koalisyon etkilenmez" demekle CHP secimlere katilmayacak ve
+ SHP'lilerden oy calmayacak demek istedi....



|>Acaba RP ye oy verenlerin disinda-
|>kiler hep birlikte tatile mi cikmislar da sayin Inonu boyle bir
|>sonuc almis

+ Olayi carptirma...tabi ki RP haric herkes tatile cikmadi...
+ O gun,pazar, Istanbul'da hava yaz gunlerini andirdigi icin, halkin cogu
+ kendilerini disari atti.. RP'liler ise ev ev dolasip  
+ vatandaslari kendi "secim dolmusuna" bindirip oy lokaline 
+ goturduler...Nitekim, oy verme orani dusuktu...

|>(helal olsun Rp lilere yahu adamlarin tam tatile 
|>ciktiklari ani kollamislar), yoksa RP tatile cikmis ta tatil mi
|>yaramis veyahut  bu vatandaslar canla basla Bosna'daki, Azerbey-
|>can'daki kardeslerimize karsi girisilen katliamlara karsi savasir-
|>ken RP firsattan istifade mali mi goturmus? 

+ Gercekten helal olsun RP'ye bu Bosna,Azerbeycan konularini 
+ dile getiriyorlar....Fakat maalesef Istanbul'un sorunlarini
+ gormuyorlar...gerci  diger partilerde gormuyor...

|>Film adam su Inonu yahu, duruyor duruyor ve birden bizim cok de-
|>gerli meshur fizikcilerimizin(!) dahi cozemeyecegi bir fizik formulu 
|>ortaya atiyor, ondan sonra cik isin icinden cikabilirsen.

+ Gecen bir arkadas, Inonu'yu Robin Hood'un yilanina benzetti...gercekten soyle
+ iyi bir bakinca Panter'den cok Robin Hood'un yilanina benziyor...

|>
|>Bence bunun suclusu sensin Kaya, orada oyle luzumsuz luzumsuz isler
|>yaparken ati alan Uskudar'i gececek.
|>
|>
|>B.G.Cetiner
|>
+ Hilmi Eren
+ Hilmi@dsv.su.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: merhaba
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:38:04 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Subject: AMNESTY ACCUSES TURKEY OF FAILING TO TACKLE RIGHTS ABUSES
Reply-To: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:30:17 GMT

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RTw 11/10 0636 AMNESTY ACCUSES TURKEY OF FAILING TO TACKLE ...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AMNESTY ACCUSES TURKEY OF FAILING TO TACKLE RIGHTS ABUSES
 (Eds: Release at 0001 GMT Nov 11)
    LONDON, Nov 11, Reuter - The Turkish government has failed to fulfil pledges
to improve human rights and political killings and torture in Turkey continue
unabated, Amnesty International said on Wednesday.
    "It is time for the Turkish government to face up to its responsibilities
under international law and bring perpetrators of human rights violations to
justice," the London-based human rights organisation said in a report.
    Amnesty said political killings were reported "virtually daily" and security
forces appeared to be implicated in many of them.
    At least 100 unarmed civilians in southeast Turkey had been killed this year
by security forces shooting at peaceful demonstrators or randomly firing on
residential areas in retaliation for attacks by rebels in the Kurdistan Workers
Party (PKK), Amnesty said.
    It condemned rights abuses, including "executions" of prisoners and the
killing of unarmed civilians by the PKK and other opposition groups but said
this could never justify the violation of human rights by the Turkish
government.
    "There has been too much talk and too little action on the part of the
Turkish authorities," the Amnesty report said.
    The pattern of killings had changed in the past 12 months, it said, with
more than 100 Kurdish men -- journalists, local politicians and others -- shot
dead in "mysterious murders."
    Many of the victims had previously been threatened, detained or tortured by
the police and there was growing evidence to suggest that security forces
colluded in such killings and may instigate them, the organisation said.
    Detainees had told Amnesty they were severely beaten and subjected to
electric shocks and various forms of sexual assault.
    They said that victims and their relatives who tried to take legal action
against torturers had been threatened by police.
    "Despite repeated appeals by Amnesty International for the establishment of
commissions of inquiry, the government has failed to initiate any form of public
inquiry into the killings," Amnesty said.
From: 988fernandez@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re:Karases(Cetiner'e)
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:12:56 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

   Nazim HIKMET senin dusundugun gibi vatan haini degil,bir vatan kahramanidir 
B.G.Cetiner.Onun sanatini gercek vatan askinin ne oldugunu bilen her insan
takdir ediyor.
   Su karases diye cagrilan ve hakkinda birseyler yazmayi dahi cok gordugum
zihinsel ozurlu ile onun pesine fareli koyun kavalcisini izler gibi takilan
kafasizlardir asil vatan haini.



Bilgehan GOKMEN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Subject: Re: Result: Turkiye-San Marino
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:57:53 GMT

Hallo !
Biraz gec geliyor, ama ben da bugun (6.11.92) newsserver'ye
kulaniyorum.
Yazdiniz gibi 4-1 maci kacandik, ama 85 dakikayakadar da 
1-1 di, son 3 dakikada 3 gol atik. Teknik-coach Sepp Piontek :
"Kalb'ten olluyordum".
---
Birol Akdemir
Adress :
Institut fuer Theoretische Elektrotechnik
Appelstrasse 9a
3000 Hannover 1
Germany
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish mission to hold talks with Iraqi Kurdish leaders (fwd)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:41:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
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8<----------------------------Cut here-(C)----------------------------->8
 clari.news.fighting:3193 clari.news.europe:3952 clari.news.group:2113
clari.news.hot.iraq:513 clari.news.politics:5314
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ankara'da Buyukelcilikler:
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:58:23 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Azerbaycan, Ozbekistan ve Kirgizistan'in Ankara Buyukelcilikleri
yapilan torenler ile acildi.
            _
|-| /-\ |_ |_| |<
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: News from 'Clarinews'
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:41:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	ANKARA, Turkey (UPI) -- Turkish forces battling Kurdish rebels in
northern Iraq overran another base used earlier by the insurgents to
launch attacks inside Turkey, the semi-official Anatolian News Agency
said Friday.
	The base, in the Shiva valley, was taken after Turkish warplanes and
helicopter gunships bombarded the area to soften up resistance among
guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, a Turkish rebel
group.
	The news agency quoting a military communique, said Turkish forces
captured the PKK base in the Shiva valley, the third major rebel base
overrun since Ankara sent commando units into northern Iraq Oct. 16 to
crush the rebels.
	The communique said some 1,800 PKK rebels have been killed, and
another 2,700 wounded or captured since the operations began, and that
other rebels fled as the Turkish troops advanced, leaving arms,
ammunition and equipment behind.
	The figures mentioned in the communique account for more than half
the 7,000 PKK rebels Prime Minister Sulayman Demirel estimated to be
based in northern Iraq, but other reports said the PKK had only about 4,
500 guerrillas in the territory.
	Earlier reports said Turkey has more than 20,000 troops, supported by
tanks, artillery and helicopter gunships, fighting the rebels in
northern Iraq, and has turned down offers of a truce unless the rebels
surrender to the Turkish forces.
	Wednesday, Chief of Staff Gen. Dogan Gures said he expected the
Turkish forces to accomplish their mission within the next two weeks.
	Ankara has sent a two-man delegation to northern Iraq for discussions
with Iraqi Kurdish leaders, who cooperated with Turkey in the early part
of the campaign.
	The Iraqi Kurds are reported to have expressed misgivings about the
continued presence of Turkish troops in northern Iraq, after Ankara
turned down a truce proposal made when the Iraqi Kurdish Patriotic Union
of Kurdistan held talks with PKK commanders.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:11446 talk.politics.mideast:22030 talk.politics.soviet:8832 soc.culture.greek:10457 soc.culture.europe:9454 soc.rights.human:4170
From: kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny Kilman)
Subject: Re: The slaughter of Jews and Muslims by "pol*"s grandfathers.
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:51:46 GMT

In article <9211112310@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes
	....[all bullshit deleted]...
>
>Serdar Argic

Dam'i i Gospoda!!!

Buduchi svazan s medicino'i, ia mogu postavit' tochn'ij diagnoz gos-nu Serdar.
V svazi s otsutstviem gigien'i v ego rodno'i Turcii, u nego razvilc'ia jutci'i
slovesni'i ponos. 
Lechit' takih nel'za. On sam po malen'ku izoi'det jelch'u i podohnet.

Translation for neters who speek English:
--I ask Agric to shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!


G.K.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: EDISON AMPULU NASIL KESFETTI? KURAN'DA A
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:54:12 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

>   Kuran'da bilimselligin eseri yoktur.   
Hz Kaya ve Ocu'sunden yeni bir vahiy....  
  
Kuran'da "ilim=bilmek" kelimesi ve bu kelimeden turetilmis diger kelimeler  
yuzlerce ayetle en guzel bir sekilde saptanmistir. Hz Kaya'nin "bilimsellik"  
kelimesinin ise ne basi ne sonu bellidir, bu ona Ocu'su tarafindan gokten  
zembille inmistir. Kitabi belirsiz kisilerin boyle laflarindan biz birsey  
anlamayiz. Fakat bakin Neals Bohr nediyor kulak verin:  
  
According to Niels Bohr;  
Scientist carries out an experiment on a system which has been  
defined by the theory with full specification of the experiental  
set-up. Scientist can then make a meaningful prediction about what  
he may observe, and hence communicate to his fellows in a well-  
understood language. (The Ghost in the Atom, ed P.C.W.Davies &  
J.R.Brown 1988 p11)  
  
Now, starting from the words that we have full range of examples in  
their use in the Quran, we can set-up new "avenues" towards the  
development of this "well-understood language" in science. Starting  
from these words we can develop communication tools in language to  
be used by scientists.   
  
(Perhaps that may also help some others (pseudo-scientists) stop  
looking for Ghosts in the Atom ?!)  
(Perhaps that may also help some others (Ocu'nun adamlarina) stop  
looking for Theories in the Scriptures ?!)  
  
:-> Hic Kitabi olanla olmayan bir olur mu?  
  
KITABINIZI GETIRIN EY CAHILLER !
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Mac sonuclari
Date: 5 Nov 1992 01:25:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
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>Date:     Wed Nov 04, 1992 11:23 am  EST
>From:     AEMBBU@ritvax.isc.rit.edu


Bugun oynanan UEFA Kupasi ikinci tur maclarinda su sonuclar alindi:

Galatasaray 1 - E.Frankfurt 0 (Gol: Ugur dak.5)

Almanya'daki ilk mac 0-0 bittigi icin Galatasaray ucuncu tura yukseldi.

Sigma 7 - Fenerbahce 1

Goller:
Sigma: 9'(penaltidan), 12', 34', 51', 77', 80', 90'.
F.Bahce: 38' (Aykut)

Fenerbahce'den Ismail (41'), Gerson (72') ve Hakan (73') kirmizi kart gore-
rek oyun disi kaldilar. Fenerbahce bu sonucla UEFA Kupasindan elendi.

Erhan


To:  TRKNWS-L@USCVM.BITNET
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Covering up the crimes of the Greek governments?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:51:17 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov6.003303.11529@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:

>	Stou koufou thn porta oso 8eleis bronda
>	At the deafs door nock as much as you want. 

So, if it's all crap and ignorance is the ultimate trip - then how
come...

  <<Greeks and Armenians agitated widely to prevent Jews from constructing
  new synagogues when needed in the Empire. The best example of this came
  with Greek opposition to the construction of a new Jewish synagogue
  at Haydarpasa in 1899. Sultan Abdul Hamid II allowed the synagogue to be
  built, and assured its opening despite Greek protests by sending a
  contingent of soldiers from the nearby Selimiye barracks, leading the
  congregation to adopt the name Hemdat Israel synagogue, choosing the name
  not only because of its meaning, 'the mercy of Israel', but also because
  the word Hemdat was close to the name of their benefactor, Sultan Abdul-
  Hamid [43]. >>

[43] Guleryuz, 'Turkiye Yahudileri Tarihi: 19.Yuzyil sona ererken (2)',
     Salom, 19 November 1986.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:11498 talk.politics.soviet:8858
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Turkish Businesmen in the Former Soviet Union
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:27:54 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <OZ.92Nov12215308@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:
>David Davidian writes:
>
>   In article <1992Nov5.152145.12956@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (C. 
>   Akgun) wrote:
>
>   [CA] My sentiments exactly.   If you can infer that someone being
>   [CA] Turkish agent when his/her posting coincides with the program in
>   [CA] Voice of Turkey, you should have no problem on what I wrote above.
>   [CA] I was trying to give you the same perspective to make you aware the 
>   [CA] tilt in that logic.  I am sure you've got my message.  
>
>   You have forgotten to include that fact that in May of 1991 when the Turkish
>   government ordered anti-Armenian propaganda to be suspended (during a period
>   of time when the Turkish ambassador to the USSR was in Armenia), postings 
>   under the name Mutlu were also suspended.
>
>Refutation of this particular piece of crap may be obtained by anyone
>who is interested enough to contact an appropriate system person at AT&T.
>I suggest that you discontinue your dishonest attempt to link a single
>person's activities with some mysterious "government order".
>
>oz
>---
>life of a people is a sea, and those that look at it from the shore  
>cannot know its depths.  -Armenian proverb 

	Ozal, just for my own information, can you please tell me about
your opinion about the postings made by Mutlu/Argic&Co. Thank you.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Camel Wrestling
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:15:46 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT) writes:

>In case anyone's interested:

>Tonight (8:30 EST) on the cable channel ESPN there is to be a 30 minute
>sports program about Camel Wrestling in Turkiye.

Whaaat?? 

You're kidding...CAMEL WRESTLING?????

Dave

--
From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: Re: Greece had only 17.5 years of democracy in its entire history.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:48:23 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <9211052044@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
|> In article <Bx8qsD.ICp@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:
|> 
|> > Again- YOU better don 't use words like "democracy", 'cause there has 
|> >never been some in Turkey! (Waiting for some answers..)
|> 
|> You "paliks" make me laugh. The so-called 'cradle of democracy' Greece 
|> had only 17.5 years of democracy in its entire history. Before 1974 
|> Greece was ruled either by military dictators or monarchs. Greece
|> adopted democracy in 1974 when the ruling military junta fell as a 
|> result of Turkish intervention in Cyprus. In contrast Turkiye, three 
|> short termed military interventions withstanding, had multi-party 
|> democracy since 1950, for 32 years.
|> 
|> And the Greek-PKK collaboration is revealed in a report published
|> on December 29, 1989 in Eleftheria Dis Gnomis, a Greek Cypriot
|> newspaper. The paper admitted that 
|>               
|>  'two of the terrorists killed in PKK raids to Southeastern
|>   Turkiye were Greeks.'
|> 
|> Serdar Argic
|> 

Once more : I am waiting for some answers !!!!!

Then: What 's with the 4th or 5th time, your prime minister had to announce that noone shall leave the house after 21.00 or the censoring newspapers or ...
Without having really a reason to do so?!?!?

Concerning the multi-party democracy : Read the posting of Deniz Akkus (490)! I 'm sure you know of it, too, that the communistic party wasn 't allowed ( and I 'm not so sure it is know ). Is that multi-party democracy with 42 years history?? Surely not.

Panos Tsiantopoulos.




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