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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:33:17 -0400 
From: "Benjamin D. Lukoff" <bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Multi-track recording

	You may not think I know anything, but one thing I *do* know about is
recording.  Two-track is stereo as far as record players are concerned,
if the recording is mixed that way, with one channel far left, and one
far right. Bruce said in a letter to me which I have forwarded to the
channel "Two track is NOT stereo. It's multi-track recording with two
tracks only". Ah...well, that goes for "Sgt. Pepper" (multi-track
recording with four tracks only), as well as, say, "Dear Prudence" (with
eight tracks). TRUE stereo can only be gotten with a stereo mike pair. 
Multi-track will never be TRUE stereo, it is just a collection of
monophonic signals mixed to resemble stereo. If anyone wishes to respond
to this CIVILLY without insulting me, please do so,  otherwise, bye.

Benjamin Lukoff   bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie-Mellon University, Pittsburgh

---A true Beatles fan, contrary to what Bruce says
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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Hey Jude
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:23:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.153131.2117@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:

>Is this legally different from "bootleg"?  Do I detect a new morality
>emerging in this group?

I don't rule out a new morality, but the terminology is usually--

Counterfeit: A copy of a record that is, or is intended to be,
identical to the legitimate release.  Purpose, to fool the public.  It
has been said that about 50% of the American "Let It Be" LPs sold were
counterfeits (recent item in Tower Records' "Pulse" magazine).  The
Vee Jay Beatles LPs have also been counterfeited many times, in small
lots, to cash in on the high value of the real items.

Pirate: A record that does not counterfeit a legitimate release, but
contains recordings that were legitimately released.  You don't see so
many of these on LP or CD, but an example is the "Alpha Omega" set of
Beatles' greatest hits that was advertised as if it were legitimate
(for a short time) and inspired EMI and Capitol to prepare the red and
blue albums.  Pirate cassette tapes are more common-- tapes of
miscellaneous hit songs that aren't copies of any particular album.

Bootleg: A record of songs that were never released at all, such as
radio and TV broadcasts, concerts, and outtakes.  Most Beatles
"bootlegs" fit this definition.  I doubt that anyone mistakes these
for legitimate releases and so the element of fraud is missing.  

--Joe Brennan

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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Why the CD's were mono..
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.083052.8539@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
ireland@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:

>A coupla' years ago I read an interview with George Martin in (I think) Mix
>magazine. He says that he had never intended to issue the vinals in
>stereo way-back-when.

_Mix_, 1987, v.11.  I was just reading this a few weeks back.  It's amazing
to read GM denying in this interview that he mixed the tracks for stereo or
released them in stereo on his label, and then turn to the documentation
that he did do so, in Lewisohn's books.

> And supposedly (according to G.M.), some engineer
>in this country got ahold of the stereo masters - and instead of mixing
>(yea, I know its only 2 track) down, - just assumed that all that was required
>was to just have the "mothers" (or whatever) copied directly off the 2 track
>"multi-track" tape. 

This is another repeated error-- that the albums are the unmixed master
tapes.  Each track obviously has echo of the other mixed into it.  Even
Lewisohn fell for this as to the stereo "From me to you" being the unmixed
master tape-- just listen to it.

>If I'm not mistaken, he oversaw the original British vinal releases (which 
>were in mono).

...and in stereo!  

I believe he also claims in the interview that the third and fourth albums
have the same problem as the first two, which is immediately proved wrong
by a listen to the stereo LPs.

--Joe Brennan
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Yoko Ono / Options magazine
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:20:09 GMT

Yeah, I know following up my own article is bad form.  However,
the final paragraph should read:

"...could NEVER have been  comfortable with a mainstream kind of life..."

Thanks for the quick attention.

<ESC>

-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: jpalen@arghouse.UUCP (Joe Palen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Her Majesty
Keywords: the end
Date: 26 Jul 92 08:35:12 GMT
Organization: The Listening Post

franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc) writes:

> Just a thought. I always thought that the end should have truly been the end.
> Among all the disconcerting things the fab have done, I always thought that
> Her Majesty was not very accurate. Golden Slumbers + Carry that weight
> +The end is such a masterpiece that the silence that follows still belongs to
> it. I wish it was not disturbed by a "silly" song. 
> 
> Any radically different opinions ?

I would tend to agree with you.  "The End" is the song I always think of as 
the last song.  It not only wrapped-up the Beatles on a positive note, but 
is a timeless message for each of us.

On the other hand, I can't say what they "should" have done.  They were the 
artists.  They did what they did, and that was that.  "Her Majesty" may be 
silly, and disturb "The End" a bit, but it also could be looked at as an 
appropriate punctuation point.

Ending at "The End" would have been the expected thing to do...
Far be it from them to end with something predictable! :)

                   - Joe Palen

   "I've got nothing to say, but it's okay..."


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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio  Codogno)
Subject: Her Majesty - a post scriptum
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.180411.15434@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc) writes:
>Just a thought. I always thought that the end should have truly been the end.
>Among all the disconcerting things the fab have done, I always thought that
>Her Majesty was not very accurate. Golden Slumbers + Carry that weight
>+The end is such a masterpiece that the silence that follows still belongs to 
>it. I wish it was not disturbed by a "silly" song. 
>
>Any radically different opinions ?

Mine. I wholeheartedly agree - GS+CTW+TE is simply terrific, and 
"In the end the love you take is equal to the love you make" is the
best ending of a group career (_Let it be_ is chronologically
precedent, of course ... :-) ) 

But Her Majesty always remembers to me that we should not be too
overserious (even a good scholar should not be)
ciao! .mau.

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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Stereo vs. Twin-track and other recording nits
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:59:45 GMT

> From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
> Subject: Re: Beatles' record impact etc..
> Date: 31 Jul 92 09:27:59 GMT
> 
> From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
> Subject: Re: The worst Beatles compilations? (was: Re: The Old Mixmaster)
> Date: 31 Jul 92 09:31:07 GMT
> 
> From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
> Subject: Re: Hey Jude
> Date: 31 Jul 92 09:51:14 GMT
> 
> From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
> Subject: Re: Let it be
> Date: 31 Jul 92 09:54:38 GMT
> 
> From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
> Subject: Re: Maxwell's Silver Hammer
> Date: 31 Jul 92 10:01:22 GMT
> 
> From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
> Subject: Re: Stereo vs. Twin-track and other recording nits
> Date: 31 Jul 92 10:02:57 GMT

Mr Hinz says:

> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh!  Enough already!

--Joe Brennan

(sorry, David, I couldn't stop myself)

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From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Her Majesty
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:06:43 GMT

franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc) writes:

: +The end is such a masterpiece that the silence that follows still belongs to 
: it. I wish it was not disturbed by a "silly" song. 
: 
Perhaps this was a John thing; how about 'Good Night' on the 'White Album'? 
A TRULY silly song, if there ever was one. (No offense, Ringo!)

Somehow, it wouldn't surprise me if John had some input in this, and added it
at the tail end just to 'break the spell' or something?  

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Pherrets are Phun!! 
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: exxtjg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T J Garratt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs?
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:22:53 GMT
Organization: Guest of Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <1992Jul30.231839.16250@mic.ucla.edu> dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>In article <5184@transfer.stratus.com> gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:
>>
>>1.  I heard a radio program last week while driving in my car.  It was DJ'ed
>>    by Paul McCartney and was called something like 'If I were on a desert
>>    island and could only own so many records these are the ones I would
>>    own' (obviously not the real name, but you get the idea).  I was just
>>    wondering if anyone else had heard this and if so, is it to be aired
>>    again?
>
>Sounds like a McCartney appearance from several years ago on the BBC
>radio show "Desert Island Discs", variants of which can be occasionally
>found in American programming---you know, if you had only ten records
>to take with you to a desert island, what would they be? As I recall,
>Macca's taste was rather eclectic on this show (I didn't hear it, just
>read a transcription), but among the songs he chose was John's "Beautiful
>Boy." It's nice to see that the good Doctor is still a sentimental old
>fluff. :-)
> 
>I'm not aware that "...Discs" is syndicated or repeated in the American
>radio market, but individual stations may be running it.
>

I've got a tape of the above show with Paul - it's a great
listen :-) A while back also there was a documentary on British
TV about Desert island Disks and the late Roy Plumley (original
host of the show). There are shots of Roy and Paul throughout
the documentary - and a particularly emotional looking
Paul when  he introduces John's "Beautiful Boys" ;-)


Tony
From: otten@QUARK.UMD.EDU (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Yellow Submarine video
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:01:52 GMT

I remember hearing some years ago that the Yellow Submarine video that's
available has various bits and pieces cut out of it for some mysterious
reason.  I was wondering whether the movie has since been released
intact.  Anyone have any info on this?

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu

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From: njblock@athena.mit.edu (Ned Block)
Subject: Hey Jude
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:11:17 GMT

I have been unable to find a CD of the album Hey Jude in any stores in the
Boston area.  In fact, when I tried to check its existence in one of the
fancy inventory machines in Tower Records, Hey Jude (the album, NOT the single)
was listed as `cassette only'.  I find it difficult to believe that the album
was never made into a CD, and would very much like to find it.  

If anybody has any information on this please e-mail me at:
eliza@psyche.mit.edu

Thanks in advance!
From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: beatle dates
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:23:25 EST
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Today-in-Music
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   This day in popular music, past and present... by U-P-I National
Broadcast Features Editor Penny Nelson Bartholomew in Chicago:

   (July 23rd)

   On this date in music history...

   In 1987, the Beatles filed a 40-Million-dollar lawsuit in Manhattan
against E-M-I-Capitol Records. The suit accused the label of cheating
the Beatles on C-D royalties, and also requested the return of the
master recordings.

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From: aaltonen@retina.sai.vtt.fi     (Matti Aaltonen)
Subject: Re: Beatles Songs in 3/4
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:09:34 GMT


Parts of "Happiness is a Warm Gun" are also in 3/4 or 3/8 time.

Matti




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From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: On holiday
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:22:26 PDT

Normally I'd post the usual "welcome" message right now but I'll
be away til 10 August on a much-needed holiday, so I'll ask you
all to kindly wait for it till the middle of the month. If there
are any outstanding requests for information notes, please do
forgive me. I'll get back to you just as soon as I return. (And
this includes all the people I owe tapes to...even those of you
who've waited several years already. :-)

Look out for yourselves.

--
"Modern music is, however, the groups' delight, and as if to prove the
point, John and Paul have written over 50 tunes, ballads & faster
numbers, during the last three years!"_________________________________
                                        saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)
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From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: The worst Beatles compilations? (was: Re: The Old Mixmaster)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:31:07 GMT

brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
: 
: Depending on how we do the scoring, Vee Jay's "The Beatles vs the Four
: Seasons" might beat them out on grounds of sheer stupidity.
: 
Yes, but if you have a copy, it's worth a small FORTUNE!


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Hey Jude
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:32:21 GMT
 <1992Jul30.153131.2117@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> 
 <1992Jul30.174426.18165@menudo.uh.edu> 
 <1992Jul30.213852.22624@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <RSHAPIRO.92Jul31102529@pilsner.bbn.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Jul31102529@pilsner.bbn.com>
rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

> People *only* buy bootlegs because they provide access to historically
> significant [*] material that cannot be heard any other way. If EMI
> released the songs on URT, nobody would buy URT. That's the
> difference: counterfeited material is available legitimately,
> bootlegged material is not. This seems like a crucial distinction to
> me.

Well, maybe there are some shades to the issue, but I still believe
they are shades of the same color.

David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
From: deryl@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re:Beatles' record impact etc..
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:55:05 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Dennis and Joe have said a bit about the Beatles song that impacted on
them the most, and changing choices of ones 'fave' Beatle.  I must confess
that, as I'm a 1965 vintage, I wasn't musically conscious for any of their
first releases!  However, I reckon that the most emotional impact a Beatles
song has ever made on me was "In my life", played on our local radio 
station a few days after John's murder.  I remember thinking what a bummer
it will be for Yoko to hear John's voice singing about his life, when she's
lost him...(yeah right, so I'm soppy...)

As for Beatle preferences, there's no question for me...John always was
and probably always will be my fave.  He was the best looking (IMHO), had
the sexiest singing voice ever (him and Elvis...), and was an interesting
(if sometimes strange) person, who wrote (IM extremely HO) the best of
their songs, and the post-Beatles solo efforts (suck on that one Saki ;-) )

Here's a thought that often occurs to me, now that I'm old... do you
ever feel strange about how seriously we take the music and pronouncements
of the Beatles when they were mere slips of lads in their early 20s ? It
often seems to me that people I actually know of that age seem quite young
(to an ancient 27 yr old like me...), and yet the lads seemed so
profound!

Keep on Beatling,
Deryl (the female one... not the man with the posters for sale!)
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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Beatles Songs in 3/4
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 08:14:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.182950.12591@oclc.org> rms@oclc.org (Russ Schnall) writes:
>I was trying to remember which Beatles' songs are written in 3/4 time.
>4/4 and its variants seem to be the most predominant today.  Any ideas why 3/4
>time is not used so much?

Well, the first tune which comes to my mind is _Norwegian Wood_, then
the most of _Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds_ and _I Me Mine_ are 3/4;
There areeven some tunes whch I happen to see as slow 12/8 (_You've
Got to Hide Your Love Away_, _Baby's In Black_, _This Boy_, _Yes It Is_
...)
 
The main reason for the near totality of pop & rock song are in binary
mode (even 2/2 more than 4/4)? I think that in African music ternary
mode is not very well considered, so they used just binary one. 
 
ciao! .mau.
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Analog Beatles: Bruce's Flame
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:11:19 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <4eOpB8W00awQQ18V0J@andrew.cmu.edu>, by bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin D. Lukoff):

> 	 I also know a lot of the early Stones records were "electronically
> re-processed". I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about singles
> that were recorded in stereo and rereleased in mono.....like "For What
> It's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield. I prefer the attempts at stereo (if
> they're not fakes, like the early Stones) to mono.

FYI I'm working on a definitive (ho ho) list of real stereo early
stones and where they are available.  Taking much longer than I
thought, so don't hold your breath!

Stephen Carter, Systems Manager, The Administration,
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9RH, UK
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From: gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: 2 Questions
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:43:02 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering


1.  I heard a radio program last week while driving in my car.  It was DJ'ed
    by Paul McCartney and was called something like 'If I were on a desert
    island and could only own so many records these are the ones I would
    own' (obviously not the real name, but you get the idea).  I was just
    wondering if anyone else had heard this and if so, is it to be aired
    again?


2.  I thought that I saw on this newgroup some time ago (over a year) a rumor
    that Paul McCartney was supposed to write something for the Summer Olympics
    this year (possibly with Carrares?) but I have not seen or heard anything
    about it since.  Note that this is not the Oratorio I am talking about,
    rather, the Olympics.  Can anyone clear this up?


Thanks.

-Gene


P.S.  Just picked up the Oratorio for $19.95, and my first impression was that
      it was fairly good.  But as I listen to it more and more (and become more
      familiar with the music), I am enjoying it more and more.
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Analog Beatles
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:25:46 GMT


On the subject of whether foreign Beatles releases were actually being
mixed by the foreign affiliates or if they were just getting mastering
tapes from EMI in Britain that were then somehow screwed up:

I distinctly remember a possibly apocryphal story of how George Harrison
heard Capitol's mix of The Beatles (the white album) while he was visiting
the US before its release.  He thought Capitol had really mucked it up,
and aided in remixing performed at the last minute by Capitol.  Of course,
I've never heard anyone point out differences between the US and British
versions of The Beatles.  If at all true, could George have been appalled
with the stereo mix, since the mono mix was only released in Britain?

Of course, George has also said that he thinks the "remixing" on the Sgt.
Pepper CD altered things quite a bit, but then I wondered how often he
had heard the stereo version of Pepper before then.

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Robert James Mohammed Monk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Her Majesty
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:50:40 GMT
Reply-To: rm34@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Media Maven

In article <1992Jul22.180411.15434@leland.Stanford.EDU> franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc) writes:
>Just a thought. I always thought that the end should have truly been the end.
>Among all the disconcerting things the fab have done, I always thought that
>Her Majesty was not very accurate. Golden Slumbers + Carry that weight
>+The end is such a masterpiece that the silence that follows still belongs to 
>it. I wish it was not disturbed by a "silly" song. 
>
>Any radically different opinions ?

Yeah.  I always thought that the "The End Medley" would have been just a bit
too heavy (maybe bordering on pretentious?) if left by itself as the end.
I personally find that jolt of HM a nice break in the mood, kinda like "Good
Night" following "Revolution 9."  

Brother Robert
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