From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The usual
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:03:38 GMT
Organization: JPL, Space Imaging Radar Software Group


I tried to responde by Email, but it bounced.  I am unable to
get there from here.  So again, Im posting to a news group that should
have nothing to do with homosexuality.

In article <1992Nov18.221925.24979@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil
Ronzone) writes:
||>In article <1992Nov17.203740.12994@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
|>    >Yet you propigate lies about homosexuals. You try to infer
|>    >(sp) that all homosexuals have dozens of anonymous partners
|>    >every night.
|>
|>No, I have not. There is probably no single thing that ALL
|>homosexuals
|>do. You DO propagate lies, as per:
|>
|>    >First, many heterosexuals have one or two partners per week.
|>    >For both heterosexual and homosexual men, this usually occurs
|>    >during their youth. Go visit any college campus. Then, as the
|>    >male gets older, the number of partners drops. For both
|>    >heterosexuals and homosexuals.
|>
|>Oh? Not per Kinsey. A few men, perhaps, but many? No.

Please list a study from the last 10 years that shows this.

I live in West Hollywood.  We have a number of bars, dance clubs or discos,
and even one sex club (ie bath house).  You dont see many older people at
these places.  I'm 33.  The times that Ive gone to Studio One or Rage (two
of the more popular dance clubs), I feel anceint.  90% of the guys are under
the age of 25.  There are other dance clubs that have a more 30ish clientel,
(Probe being my favorite), but these clubs are much smaller.  And there are 
a few bars or taverns that are popular with older men, but these are 
even smaller still.

What about numbers ?  There are 10 million people in Los Angeles county.  10%
of that is 1 million gays.  For fun, lets assume that there are only 100,000
gays in all of LA. Where are all of theses gay guys going to have
anonymous sex ?  In all of LA county, there are maybe 5 sex-clubs that still
exist.  I could call a few of them and get actual figures, but my guess is
that any one club might have 30-50 people showing up between 9 pm and 6 am 
on a week night, with no more than 10 people there at any one time, and 
maybe 4 times that amount on a Saturday night.

Or if they are not having anonymous sex, what about one night stands ?  The
most likely place that guy could pick up others, just like with heterosexuals,
is at the bars and dance clubs. Many of the dance clubs are closed during 
the week because of lack of business, so we have the weekends.  I can think
of 6 dance clubs in the Hollywood-West Hollywood-SF Valley-Long Beach area
with occupancy limits of 300 to 800, one of them may be 1200.  And 10 to 20
bars or taverns with limits around 100.  And the LAFD is very diligent in
enforcing these occupancy limits.  A few new dance clubs have opened and quickly
failed due to lack of business.  There just arent that many people going out.
If 100,000 gays are going out on a regular basis looking for one-night-stands,
where are they going ?

If you've made it this far, let me summarize:

Gay men, like straight men, tend to be more promiscuous in their youth, but 
most of them grow out of it.  For both gays and straight, this is not so much
related to age, but time since become sexually active, or for gays, time since
coming out.  I.E., a man coming out at the age of 40 may also tend to become
promiscuous, then quickly grow out of it.  And like straights, there are a
few guys who are (relatively) promiscuous throughout their lives.

(and again, Im talking about promiscuous being 1-2 a week, not the dozens a 
night that Phil Ronzone insists upon.)

Sex clubs do still exist, but the number of patrons is very small.  If everyone
is having one-night-stands, there has to be a place for these people to pick
each other up.  The most likely place for large numbers of gays to do this is
the dance clubs, and these clubs are almost entirely young people.

The majority of gay people, like straight people, do date and have 
relationships.  Young people tend to be more promiscuous than older people.
In general, gays are no different than straights.

--
Tim Fogarty
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1, STS-59
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