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From: soyou@alioth.usc.edu (Soyou Yamaguchi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 9 Apr 1992 14:02:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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I am six month pregnant and I've been looking for the telephone number
of La Leche League in Los Angeles area. Does anyone know their number
either in L A or So California?

Soyou Yamaguchi
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 09:24:40 EDT
From: <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty

In article <1992Apr4.032252.13176@usl.edu>, elg@usl.edu (Eric Green) says:
>
>From article <92092.093213SASMKW@vm.sas.com>, by <SASMKW@vm.sas.com>:
>> I am a 32 year old female who needs to undergo a tuboplasty in order
>> to have children and I'm scared.  Right now, I have less than a 1%
>
>No word here about tuboplasty. Not an area in which I have any
>personal interest. But: There are many children out there. Many who
>have been bounced from foster home to foster home for years while
>searching for an adoptive parent. Many aren't "picked" because of
>"learning disabilities" or emotional difficulties caused by the
>turmoil in their lives.
>
>If your desire is to help a young person grow into a mature
>well-adjusted human being, well...
>
>If, on the other hand, you are more enamored of the biological
>symbolism of your ova and your husband's sperm creating a product
>which is undeniably yours, rather than upon the actual product and
>process of raising children...
>
>[additional comments deleted]

I thought that this reply was really offensive.  First of all, it doesn't
have anything to do with the original post (I know -- I am guilty of the
same offense).  But more importantly, it implies that someone who is pursuing
infertility treatment is somehow being selfish for wanting to have a
(biological) child.  The decisions to pursue infertility ttreatment & to
pursue adoption are not independent; nevertheless, they are very personal
decisions.  And, as someone who has suffered from infertility, I can attest
to the emotional turmoil that it can create.  If you want to discuss the
issues you have raised in your post, don't use someone's post on another
issue as a starting point -- or at least change the header!

Carol Fischer (CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu)
From: stb@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Stephanie Bodoff)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Both parents home (was Re: At what age is day care appropriate?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:18:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK

In article <1992Apr09.194510.904901@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom
Tyrer) writes:

   Because I said that if you aren't willing to sacrifice 7% of your lifetime
   to the rearing of a child you should rethink whether or not you should have
   children, someone suggested that I should also rethink having children since
   I have stated that I find my job satisfying and Ron is "chomping at the bit"
   to go back to work.  What you fail to realize is that many people who do
   not have children read this newsgroup.  They often post asking questions like,
   "How do you know if you should have children."  This rethink was targeted at
   that audience.

In point of fact my post was directed precisely at those people thinking
about having children. I used your particular situation because I think it
casts some considerable suspicion on your criteria. Whatever philosophical
or moral arguments you care to marshall in favor of only parents looking
children, I believe that it is not in children's best interest to be cared
for by people who don't really want or like the job of full-time childcare.

   However, I would say that if you are unwilling to sacrifice 7% of your lifetime
   to the rearing of a child, you might want to rethink your priorities.  I don't
   mean this as an insult.  After all, I rethink my priorities on a regular basis.

What IS very insulting about this remark is the suggestion that all of us
don't think about our priorities all time! I think you would find that we
would respond to your posts at the level you are interested in (i.e.
discussion of issues) if you spared us this kind of advice unless requested.

Stephanie Bodoff
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:08:10 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <2980@cvbnetPrime.COM>, jshekara@wisconsin.prime.com (Jennifer Shekaran) writes:
> I might add that if one child is, for some reason, unable to participate in
> some family affair, you miss the one not there when he/she is one of 12 kids
> just as much as when he/she is one out of 3 or 2 or whatever your favorite 
> number is. The point is you miss each one for themselves regardless of how 
> many you had (and having them ALL there makes it complete...anything less is
> not the complete family).  Over the years, my mother has had many people make
> some thoughtless remarks to her that showed a total lack of recognition of 
> this fact.


As one of 6 children, the most wonderful cartoon I ever saw showed a group of
7-8 adults standing at a graveside (a wreath on the side said "mom") and each
one had the same thought balloon over his/her head: "I was her favorite".
And that's the way *our* mom raised us!
:) :) :)

Ann Helmers
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:55:30 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

From article <1992Apr6.205321.20700@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SEQUENT V2.0):
> Is there anyone in thise newsgroup that is involved with or knows of La Leche
> League?  Had though about coming back from this weekend and posting some
> information regarding this organisation, however, in my old age, I seem to
> have forgotten to request information from my mother.  

Yes, I am an LLL member.   I think just about all their breastfeeding info
is in their book "The Womany Art of Breastfeeding".   They've also got a
neat cookbook called "Whole Foods for the Whole Family", which from what
you say below, must be kicking around your mother's house somewhere.


> All in all, a neat group.  My mother has been involved since before I was
> born, and I am the oldest of 4 children in my family.  THe only drawback  tha
> I can see about having a mother in La Leche League is that as a child, I
> never got to grow up with mounds of sugar coated cereal nor were we allowed
> to have any type of candy bars or other such sweets.  I guess things turned
> out alright, considering that in 19 years of live, I have only had 1 cavity.
> Good ol' mom...

Well, although I am an LLL member, my _husband_ is not, and it is evident
now that our daughter has inherited his sweet tooth.  Alas and alak.   Even
as a child I did not have a sweet tooth and my Halloween and Easter candy
would be left to rot every year.   But it is not exactly like I can keep
candy out of the house now, since I am not my husband's mother.   I think,
that I have met a large proportion of women in LLL, though, who are literally
allergic to sugar or wheat, or some other food.   That probably explains their
interest in "wholesome", or alternative, cooking styles.   BTW, Matthew,
breastfeeding is also beneficial in helping a child avoid developing food
allergies, which probably explains these women's interest in LLL.  They're
hoping their children can avoid going through what they've been going through.

Suzanne.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.164949.15108@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>Too bad there are no babysitters on the net to defend themselves from such
>generalizations. We all know these things happen, but I know alot of people
>who do have babysitters who are wonderful. I think Judy is doing them a 
>diservice.

I can't speak for "babysitters", but one data point on that other much-maligned
group in this discussion, "daycare workers":  My sons' daycare center boasts
that 75% of the adult staff is in their 10th year or better.  Many of them
are moms, some are even grandmothers.  Some have degrees in Early Childhood
Education, others are just now working on certification.  All have strong ties
to the community and love kids.  There are some people out there who choose
to work with kids for the love of children, take their responsibility to those
children and their parents seriously, and I'm glad I found them.



-- 
Maureen Busch				|Are you out there sally?  How 'bout
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|you, Ken??  Hi to the kids!
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DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SEQUENT V2.0)
Subject: Re: Conformity and being 'picked on' (was Re: Swearing)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:43:38 GMT

elg@usl.edu (Eric Green) writes:

>I remember transferring into a new school as a senior in high school.
>By far the majority of people were more interested in finding out
>about this strange new addition to their classroom than they were
>about finding ways to tease this kid.

And even better than moving to a new high school is going to college, where
no one knows who you are.  Sort of a new beginnining.  I myself found myself
stuck in a certain socila position in Junior High, and moving to high
schoolhelped remove part of that, but those who had known me before hand
still thought of me as the same type of person.  Senior year had tobe the
best, because by then, everyone began to see who I was.  Not many people had
taken the time to find out.

Then collge...a chance to start over, and here no one has any preconcived
ideas or anyone telling them about you.  It's great!
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
| Matthew R. Zeier                 __  | "Be content, then, in everything;  |
| University of Illinois,         / /  |  and if you wish to seem so        |
|   Urbana-Champaign         __  / /   |  likewise to anyone, appear so to  |
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Helping 5 YO Learn to Read
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:45:21 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

jat@hpcuhb.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge) writes:
>My girlfriend's daughter (kindergarten) is also trying to learn to 
>read.  I've got her pretty far ahead of the class, I think.
>...
>There were a few trouble spots -- "tr" sounds just like "ch" to her.
>She spelled "trick" c-h-r-i-k the first time.

I am a college graduate with good grades and English (San Diego) is my first
language.  "tr" sounds just like "chr" to me also.  Maybe it is just the San Diego
way of pronouncing both sounds.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
the hapa haole
(or more precisely the hakka haole)
(or even more precisely, the hapa hakka hapa haole, or h^4)
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 14:02:32 EDT
From: <34LI6RE@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 800 number for Hedstrom
Distribution: usa

Here's the address & phone number:

Hedstrom Co.
One Sunnyside
Bedford, PA  15522

814-623-9041


Holly Whitehead
Central Michigan University
Mt. Pleasant, MI  48859
34LI643@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slink@cimbria.cs.rice.edu (Sharon Casteel)
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.155406.1060@HQ.Ileaf.COM> shari@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Shari Jackson) writes:
>I've been following this thread, and wondered if anyone has considered
>the possibility of the child skipping a grade later on.

[describes her situation, which worked well for her]

One of my friends skipped both second grade and fourth grade.  It
caused her some problems, because she missed learning some basic
math skills; to this day she doesn't like math, although she's
brilliant in other areas.

At this point, I don't think it's _harmed_ her, but I suspect
she'd have done just as well skipping one or no grades.

(On the other hand, it's kind of cool to be able to say I know
someone who started law school at 19 :-)....)

slc



-- 
slink@cs.rice.edu
"The Voice that calls through space and time speaks my name again...."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:59:00 GMT

>csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley) writes:
>>      vi)  Misuse of contraceptives. (reports of using them as
>>  waterbombs and placing them on classroom doorhandles etc.)
> 

This reminds me - one summer, about 3 years ago, my husband told me
that when he went to get the mail he found a water filled condom
in the mailbox. Luckily, my daughter had not volunteered to get
the mail that day, because she was only about 3 and 1/2, and he
was not interested in answering 'what is this daddy?'. Guess it
was close to the end of summer and someone was bored!

                                 Patti Twigg
From: olney@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Doug Olney)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:45:26 GMT
Subject: Re: introducing the bottle
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids



We never did solve the problem gracefully.  Our first daughter started
to refuse the bottle at 8 weeks, and didn't take one until she was
starved out at day care at 3 months.

Hopefully, you can find a better way, but in the process I learned a few
things.

1)  Don't let it turn into a pitched battle.  I, like you, would be
    stranded at home with a baby that wouldn't eat and was crying.  So I 
    would work at bottle feeding for quite awhile.  This was a mistake.  
    If she didn't take in the first 5 minutes, she isn't gonna take it 
    after 40.

2)  Distraction will keep a hungry baby from crying.  Try the bottle,
    but if she chooses to refuse, relax and do something fun with the
    baby to distract her.  It improves everyone's outlook considerably.

3)  Two month old babies can go 8 hours without eating without lasting damage.
    Many do it every night, and any healthy one can occasionally 
    do it during the day.  Don't make your wife feel chained to the 
    baby: encourage her to take time out from the baby even if the 
    baby won't take a bottle.  Recognize that you won't be able to do 
    anything but entertain the baby when she is gone.  I don't advocate 
    doing this on a daily basis, but once a week for a long stretch or 
    several 4 hours stretches a week can improve quality of life for 
    everybody.

4)  When they are hungry enough, they will take the bottle.


							    Doug Olney
							    Santa Rosa, CA
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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:58:14 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

When I was growing up in NJ, it was illegal for minors to purchase
contraceptives. Since studies have shown that 50% of our high
schoolers have tried sex, all those kids should have *easy* access to
protection, and be educated.

I was under the impression that abstinance *is* mentioned, as the only
100% way to avoid all these problems. But look, the parents have been
telling their kids to abstain for years, and still we have the high
numbers of teen pregnancies and teen sex. I might rather my son or
daughter abstained during high school, but if the did decide to do it,
damn it, I'd want a condom in place!! It *is* their body, they can and
will do with it what they will (and that even includes condom use).
And where do parents get off blaming the school for their kid's
behavior??

We treat our children like they are incapable of taking responsibility
for themselves, and then wonder why they don't. Like, using a condom
would be responsible, and someone said their teen says their friends
wouldn't. I think some of the more extreme family planning courses
might help, in addition to the sex ed. The kind that 'marry' the kids,
let them 'have children', furnish an apartment, work, go out, etc. I
also saw a special about teens with AIDS that shook me up, I hope it
has the same effect on teens.

I saw part of a special dealing with WELFARE that talked about teen
pregnancy. In a certain state, teens get free daycare for their kids
*if* the teen parent continues to go to school. The counselor who was
working with their teen moms (they had several in that school) said
that one of the biggest 'problems' is that they were still teens, very
little planning for the future, not on the same level as older parents
when it came to responsibility and parenting. Now, here's the scary
part -- there was a young girl, pregnant first time at 15. She is the
mom of two, the kids in free daycare when she's at school. She's now
pregnant with her THIRD. She is not married, they did not say if all
the kids were even from the same father. I don't know if the welfare
childcare goes through college in that state, perhaps it does. But
WHAT IS SHE GOING TO DO WHEN SHE'S NO LONGER IN SCHOOL??

-- 
Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 2.6 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory <born 2/28/92>)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
children become humane and strong."

             - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Day Care Worker Pay Scales - Shameful!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:42:52 GMT

In article <970059@hplred.HP.COM> ishizaki@hplred.HP.COM (Audrey Ishizaki) writes:
>Let me preface my comments that the daycare center I use in in California,
>which may have different regulations than other states.  I believe that
>licensed daycare in CA requires caregiver:infant/toddler ratios of 1:4 or
>less.  I was told that for preschool (3 and up?), the legal ratios jump to
>one caregiver to 12 kids.

Often what is done in California (at least at the 4 day care centers I looked
at) was that there was one wonderful person in charge of 16 infants and 3
"assistants" who basically did nothing but change diapers and fix bottles.
All four of these centers (actually homes) were highly recommended and had
long waiting lists.  And while the extra adults met the ratio, there really
was only one caretaker.  




-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Premature babies
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:32:28 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

I'm sorry if this got posted twice.  I aborted the first send when I noticed
that the distribution was limited to the USA.

In article <1992Apr6.114050.7755@cbfsb.cb.att.com> carol@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (alan.galinsky) writes:
>Our son Matthew, born three weeks ago, was seven weeks premature.
>He weighed 5lbs at birth, and after two weeks in the
>hospital was discharged with a clean bill of health.
>
>Can anyone share experiences with comparably premature babies?

Our son Ethan was 6.5 weeks premature, and is 21 today!  (months)
He was 4 lb, 12 oz.  He spent 11 days in the hospital, and more time at
home under bilirubin lights (for jaundice).  Other than that temporary
condition, is was and is healthy.
>
>I am particularly curious about:
>
>-> How fast did they gain weight?  How long did it take to
>   "catch up" weightwise?

This is a common misconception.
They are not expected to "catch up" as most people think.  That would
mean that being born earlier would give one a head start (i.e. that would 
mean that if 2 babies were due on May 1, but one was born on March 1, 
s/he would be bigger on May 1 than the other one, who was born on May 1).

Rather, Matthew is just spending these 7 weeks outside instead of inside.
Preemies are compared to other babies using their "adjusted age,"
which is the age they would be if born on their due date.
If Matthew is average size by adjusted age (which corresponds to
gestational age), he will remain 7 weeks below average by birth age.
Of course, 7 weeks becomes insignificant eventually.

Ethan is about 90th percentile for height, and 10th percentile for weight,
by adjusted age--smaller by birth age.
And the important thing is that he is healthy.
>
>-> Matthew sleeps most of the time.  Not just sleeps, he SLEEPS,
>   so soundly that we can't wake him up.  Of course he wakes up
>   every hour on the hour for food.  Is this sleep pattern to be
>   expected?  How long does it last?

I really can't say, but I think sleeping habits vary a lot.
>
>-> Do premature babies eventually fully catch up in all respects?
>   Weight, size, ... ie, is it just a matter of time or is their
>   physical development limited in any way?

See above.  Of course, some preemies have permanent disabilities, but
fortunately that does not seem to be an issue with Ethan or Matthew.
>
>-> Anything else that pertains the development or behavior of
>   premature babies.

Allow extra time for developmental milestones, as well.  If you compare
ages of crawling, walking, talking, etc., remember to use adjusted age. 
That is his real developmental age.  And then remember that even full-term
babies vary drastically.  Ethan is a late talker, but very mechanically
inclined.
-- 
Glen Ecklund             glen@cs.wisc.edu          (608) 262-5084
Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St.
University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.
From: juliet@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (juliet.b.sutherland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking natural fiber maternity clothes
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:54:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

> In article <1992Apr13.190644.20943@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr (Marilyn Walker) writes:
>I am looking for a catalog that carries moderately priced, attractive, 
>maternity clothes, primarily made of natural fibers.  I became very 
>discouraged after looking through store racks of mostly polyester 
>blends with very little selection.  In a mid-size city we have only a 
>few stores that even carry maternity clothes.  Wearing polyester 
>feels like dressing in a plastic bag to me, and add that to being 
>pregnant during the summer....
>
>Any suggestions, information (besides making my own clothes - I'd 
>never finish before the baby came) are most welcome.

In addition to catalogues you might try the following:

For very casual stuff, your local discount dept store (e.g. Bradless,
K-mart, etc).  I've found all-cotton or mostly cotton T-shirts, shorts,
and jeans at Bradlees.

For very fancy stuff, your local high end dept store (found some
stylish blouses, a conservative maternity jumper, etc at Bloomingdales).

For in-between, you might try Laura Ashley for all-cotton
dresses. While they don't have anything that is officially "maternity"
many of their high waisted loose styles work very well.  Towards the
end the front hem may look a bit strange if you get really huge, but if
you buy big and loose enough even that may not happen.  I don't know
what styles they have this year, but several years ago I bought 4
dresse there that I used for work through 2 pregnancies.

Sears also has some useful stuff.  I've found an all-cotton maternity
slip to go under my dresses.  Also, they have a good selection of
nursing bras.
		Juliet Sutherland
		juliet@mhuxo.att.com
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