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From: 20lim@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:16:14 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Aug14.210737.14270@eecs.nwu.edu>, 
yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu (Kok-Hoo Yeap) writes:
> I was recently told that a Bechlor degree from a US university
> \  Evanston, IL 60208           |                             /
> [Load of poop excluded]
>
I do believe that such a classification is utter hog-wash. One should not
judge a person by the U he/she graduated from. This is just like being
ethnocentrical. Taking Mr. Yeap out of this matter as he is just relaying 
the information, would that mean  that a person of race A is better than 
race B who is better than race C and so on? Of course not, a person's
ability is and should be judged only by the quality of his/her work. 
Not the color of the skin, nationality, sex, race, religion nor 
the university he/she graduated from. 
If you do so say such a case may be [ a person should be classified by the U]
then :
	which if the three is better?
	A - graduated from an average U in the U.S. with a 3.5 GPA
	B - from a better than average U in U.K. with a slightly below grade
	C - a grad from a U in N.Z with the highest grade possible
Tough choice huh?
That's why being at the right place at the right time, and 
	who you know will probably be the biggest thig in getting a job.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:50:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.023155.3286@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
>
>There is no respect left in Singapore.  On the USENET, the newbies do
>not respect their elders or betters.  In the homes, daughters-in-law
>are guilty of filial impiety towards their mothers-in-law, the ultimate
>transgression: the guilty would be struck by the Lightning God.  The
>Lightning God in Heaven heeds the cries of the old.
>
>Interpretation:
>
>First, there was this love-boat scheme.  Then there was this graduate-
>mother scheme.  Then came the liberalisation of soft-porn movies to
>titillate population growth.  Followed by the "only a chinese may sell
>his flat to a chinese and a malay to a malay" scheme.  And then for the
>grand finale, a ban on the chewing of gum!  But some Singaporeans
>laughed - they dared to laugh.  They think these schemes were simply
>hilarous.  Yes, things are deteriorating rapidly in Singapore.

Numero Uno, you sound just like a Doomsday Soothsayer; and you are just that:
a Doomsday Soothsayer.  Lots of inaccurate pieces of information flimsily
interconnected to create a sensational "finale" which you would like to call
"Doomsday Singapore: 1997", or maybe somewhere sooner, 1993?

Granted a few of the things you said have happened, but the
i) majority of the things you said are generalizations, like "there is no respect left in S'pore".

ii) information information is horribly contorted to suit your purpose, eg, 
interpreting the liberalisation of censorship as a scheme to "titillate 
population growth".

iii) information is very inaccurate, eg your supposedly "malay to malay and
chinese to chinese" house sale scheme.  I urge you to conduct a proper research
on that before you let your fingers do the talking.

iv) sensationalization:  use of Lightning God to lend authority to what you say

Granted that I may be short of a sense of humor, but I seriously don't find
what you say funny.  I do not necessarily agree with what PAP did, but I 
certainly do not find what you wrote very "hilarious".



Dennis Lee Yong Wee
Stanford University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng)
Subject: Re: Smilies (was Re: Give credits to Othman Ahmad...)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:31:38 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Aug10110539@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.100100.3215@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
>
>   Smilies are like can laughters in a sitcom - they tell you when to laugh
>   (or rather they give you permission to laugh) and I hated that.  I think
>   those who use smilies liberally (i.e. letting the smilies do all the work)
>   are just darn too lazy, or have no imagination.
>
>   I think smilies ought to ban altogether.  Perhaps without smilies readers
>   would be forced to think for themselves again - no more herding mentality.
>   When in doubt, perhaps a reader will give the writer the benefit of the
>   doubt, and there is always the e-mail for clarification.
>
>   One can only lives in hope.
>
>Alamak!  If no laugh-track, then how we know when to laugh?  If everybody do as
>you say, then reading damn siong, man!

	People laugh at two kinds of jokes, namely corny jokes,
which require no intellect at all and are probably non-
antagonistic; and sophisticated jokes, which are subtle and
are probably snide attacks on persons or establishments.
People laugh at corny jokes merely because they sound stupid. And 
they laugh at sophisticated jokes mostly because they feel
proud that they can see the joke without any help. So my point
is: why wreck somebody's fun by putting a smiley?

(:-) sunshine mode, not humorous though)
Weng Leong
Stanford U.
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ajchuah@mtu.edu ([*BARK*])
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:30:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.204804.15708@news2.cis.umn.edu> lkkoh@matterhorn.ee.umn.edu (Lee K. Koh) writes:
>
>Who cares about which degree is more prestigious than other's!!!
>I think the most important things are your ability to achieve
>and the salary of that job. In fact, I have a friend who graduated

	Some people do care which degree is more prestigious,
but i think that is pretty silly.  IMO, it is what you can achieve
and the work you put into the degree that matters.  Salary, everyone
wants a high salary, i have no comments on that part.  All i am
trying to say is that one should not be bothered that much by
the university they come from.  If you have the interest in what 
you study, you will have the effort to look and find more
information related to what you study.  This will no doubt make
you a better person, thus making you a better achiever.  Coming
back to the point of salary, if you are trying to get the best
salary for your position in Malaysia(or wherever you are from),
then this point of view is not what you want to hear.  I guess
my point is more based on personal integrity.

>from Southeast Missouri State U(not being ranked AT ALL!!). He
>got a job offered from MesinNiaga(M'sia IBM), and his pay was exactly
>the same as his colleague who graduated from Oxford U(VERY prestigious U).
>Get it ???? :-)
> 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (not any more)
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:06:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug4.213649.12939@leland.Stanford.EDU>, chuakh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua) writes:
> 
> [Nice poem by Anon deleted...]
> 
> Like I said, nice poem, can you email me and tell me where you found it?
> 
> Also, I believe that the word Oriental is used to describe objects, and
> I for one am a person and no object.
> 
> Word Up!
> 

As a side light, Oriental is used to describe people/things from the east,
as Occidental is used to describe people/things from the west, just the same
as Asian or European really...all four are 'white man' words.

Being Oriental does not mean being 'ginks', etc...what any word means to you
is the significance you place on it.  :)

2c from me.

Fal.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Indonesia bans 2 foreign journals
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:07:05 GMT


>The two foreign newspapers had last month run an advertisement from DHL 
>International, a worldwide courier company, featuring the pictures of President
>Suharto, South Korean President Roh Tae Woo, Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri
>Mahathir Mohamad, and Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong along with an
>employee of DHL in the same frame.

  Shades of desperate advertising? Personally, I've never been too 
  pleased with DHL service. One of my letters mailed from Jakarta
  to the United States using DHL Express (how oxymoronic) took 8 days
  to arrive. This is about the same time it takes for ordinary mail.
  I just had to say this.
         

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                                                --Syed Shibli
                                                  +1 918 631 3257
                                                  sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: honkeatc@microsoft.com (Hon Keat Chan)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:09:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug13.050416.8978@nuscc.nus.sg> polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms)) writes:
>
>" Can Muslims learn how to live with others without
>imposing their laws on them ? "
>
>The answer is YES.
>
>Non-muslims are a well protected group in an Islamic
>state. There should be separate laws pertaining and
>governing their actions. It would be rather ridiculous
>that a non-muslim would have to abide by laws which
>tsem from certain principles and philosophies that they
>do not believe nor ascribe to. Islamic law does not
>do that to the Dzimmis, which are the non-muslims.
>
>- Suzaina
>
>

I understand this and I really believe this to be true.  However, I am
(and I assume all others are) both an individual and a citizen of a
nation.  Individually, I administer to my concience and my believes.
As a citizen of a nation, I believe the nation must administer to all,
independent of who their parents are, what colour they are attributed
with, or whatever they choose to count towards their wealth, in the same
manner, a basic set of laws according to the collective concience of
the people of the nation and sometimes taking into account even the
collective concience of all the peoples of the world when appropriate.
Therefore, I cannot imagine a nation with two different set of laws,
whichever is actually applicable to me personally, holding together
as a nation for very long.  Indeed, I would like to read of references
to cases in history where a society survived without undue stresses
caused by having two sets of laws for people within its boundaries.
If a modern society is vulnerable to instability if there exists more
than one unit of currency within its borders, what is there to say that
a society can live with two sets of laws?
I am sorry if I appear skeptical, but sometimes a engineer has to ask
not whether something will work, but rather, for how long will it work?

Keat

Fear not.  I speak for myself only.
Obviously, Microsoft says nothing through me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
X-Unparseable-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18: 31:05 -0500 (CDT)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:31:08 GMT


From the keyboard of estaebh@warwick.ac.uk, who writes:

>In article <199208142135.AA07705@admin.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>>  It's difficult, if almost impossible, to eliminate bribery. You
>>  can bride everyone from the Highest Judge to the lowst peon, and
>>  yet everyone would still think that the problem doesn't exist. The
>>  best solution would probably be genocide.
>>
> Yes. We can't eliminate bribery, but we should succumb those treachery,
> unreliable and faking authoriser before the law be imposed on those poor
> folks.  

  Could you please rephrase this?

>
> Genocide ? Do you mean that the Highest Judges should also be slaughtered ??

  Yes. I am a great proponent of Jonathan Swift's ideas which he brought
  forward in one of his essays regarding the elimination of poor, starved,
  little children. He says we should just stew them. Food costs will be
  lowered, as will crime rates. Human stew is tolerable enough, he says. 

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From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: EDB
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:27:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering


Hi folks,

	Does any one out there has the address for EDB
	in the US? Somebody sent a list to me ealier, but
	I have misplaced it somewhere.

	Any information will be appreciated. Thanx.


 
Happy! Happy!
Ting Beng Tak
beng@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
X-Unparseable-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18: 09:16 -0500 (CDT)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:09:20 GMT


From the keyboard of Leong Weng Ng, who writes:

>Stabilty could just
>mean that one group is economically and socially subjugated
>by another, and the weaker group has no power to oppose the
>more powerful group, so that no conflict can occur. This
>possibility is not likely to occur because history tells us
>that oppressed groups will most likely eventually come to
>blows with their oppressers. But that is just one possibility.

  "Identity" has to be cultivated. No one can forge self-identity
  overnight. This requires stability.

>On a more cheerful note, stability could mean that we have
>two groups coexisting, but in separate spheres of power. One
>group may control the economic power whilst the other wields
>the political power. The former group may just be happy to
>be politically powerless because they have a big share of the 
>economic pie. But can we say that the economic group identifies
>with their country in the same way that the political group does?

  Most probably not. My feeling is that the word "identity" is
  defined, in large part, by the perception of an external group
  of people of another, different society. Sure, we can have two 
  diagonally opposed societies in a nation, but such a society
  will just be "identified" as one with political and economic dichotomies,
  and waring factions of political and economic power. I'm sure
  every individual in a society "identifies" differently with their
  environment. 

  By the way, thanks for a good read.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Shipping mishap in SEA?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:57:15 GMT

I picked up:

capacity of 500, weather was clear, Straits of Malacca among the
busiest shipping lane in the world.

I saw some white people on TV. One woman with a child.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ajchuah@mtu.edu ([*BARK*])
Subject: High Speed Modems in Malaysia
Summary: high speed modems
Keywords: modems      
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:46:35 GMT


Hi netters,
          Recently, i've been looking into the subject of modems.
Especially high speed modems.  I was wondering if anyone knew anything
of the compatibility of US made high speed modems in Malaysia?  After
reading comp.dcom.modems, i realized that US made modems aren't
neccessarily<sp> compatible in Australia.  This is so as the dial
tones here(US) and Australia are somewhat different and thus
the modem often misses the call.

	I was wondering if anyone in Malaysia or Singapore has
a high speed modem(defined below).  Besides the problem of power
supply, my main concern is whether it will function properly
with the dial tones in Malaysia.  If they don't work, then
i will not consider getting a high speed modem in the US.
Also if it does not work in Malaysia, are there any sources
to purchase a high speed modem which is usable in Malaysia?
Any information related to this subject is welcome.  If there
is a substantial response, i will summarize and post later.

Def. of high speed modem: Minimum raw speed of 14.4k baud.
                          Usually with V.42/bis, V.32/bis,
                          MNP 5.  Preferred companies:
                          US Robotics, ZyXEL, Telebit etc.

	Thanx in advance.

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From: victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (V Menayang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Indonesia bans 2 foreign journals
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.77663
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <4900020@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
>"Indonesia suspends sale of 2 foreign journals.
>
.
>
>The two foreign newspapers had last month run an advertisement from DHL 
>International, a worldwide courier company, featuring the pictures of President
>Suharto, South Korean President Roh Tae Woo, Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri
>Mahathir Mohamad, and Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong along with an
>employee of DHL in the same frame.
>
.
>Meanwhile, the Journal said it would run a firm's apology to Indonesian in the
>hope of ending a ban on the newspaper."
>
>This is incredible. What if the photo is real ? 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So what, they still have to have a permission to put someone's
face in an ad, don't they?  But, I would send a lawyer
to Singapore to teach DHL some lessons about copyright rather 
than ban the papers.

What do you suppose a president should get for endorsing
a product? :-)



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:10:00 GMT


From the keyboard of Hon Keat Chan, who writes:

> As a citizen of a nation, I believe the nation must administer to all,
> independent of who their parents are, what colour they are attributed
> with, or whatever they choose to count towards their wealth, in the same
> manner, a basic set of laws according to the collective concience of
> the people of the nation and sometimes taking into account even the
> collective concience of all the peoples of the world when appropriate.
> Therefore, I cannot imagine a nation with two different set of laws,
> whichever is actually applicable to me personally, holding together
> as a nation for very long.  Indeed, I would like to read of references
> to cases in history where a society survived without undue stresses
> caused by having two sets of laws for people within its boundaries.
> If a modern society is vulnerable to instability if there exists more
> than one unit of currency within its borders, what is there to say that
> a society can live with two sets of laws?
> I am sorry if I appear skeptical, but sometimes a engineer has to ask
> not whether something will work, but rather, for how long will it work?

  Perhaps you are confusing national and international borders with
  the collective conscience of a group of people. However, to answer 
  your second question, several examples exist whereby different sets 
  of laws are enforced in the same country. This dates back to even the
  beginning of the Islamic Empire under the rule of the Caliphates,
  where Christians and Jews were allowed to practice their own laws, 
  and pertaining to their own people. Singapore and Malaysia have laws 
  applicable only to Moslems. You have hypothesized that some degree of
  instability will exist in a country with different sets of laws. 
  However, this does seem at all probable if you think about the matter
  in terms of the beliefs of the people who ascribe to these laws. 
  Dissent can only mean forswearing these beliefs, and since it is the
  choice of every individual to either renounce or accept a particular
  set of beliefs, one can therefore disagree with a ruling and accept
  the ruling of another set of laws, or lack thereof. For all practical
  purposes, stability demands that one has to be ruled by at least one
  common set of laws that acts as the default. This system invites abuse;
  society can regard this as a convenient means of avoiding some harsher
  ruling in one's chosen belief. However, I propose that this will, in
  a lot of cases, invite social stigma, and might not at all be worth
  the extra effort. Unless, of course, one feels comfortable with the
  notion of hypocrisy.

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