From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (James Woodyatt)
Subject: Clayton's NAMBLA rap.
Keywords: blah blah
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:55:33 GMT

In article <10369@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr7.020528.2632@wdl.loral.com>, bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (James Woodyatt) writes:
|> #                                                      ...but I carried the
|> # flag in a lot of parades that had a lot of lunatic organizations marching
|> # along with us.
|> 
|> Why did you do it?

That's irrelevent. I was demonstrating my familiarity with subject of parades.

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|> All perfectly valid points to make -- except the question is still
|> being evaded -- if NAMBLA doesn't have at least a considerable body
|> of support in the gay community, why does it march in gay parades?
|> NAMBLA is about the worst possible group to have march in a gay parade,
|> considering the stereotypes of homosexuals as child molesters.  And
|> yet they still march.

Have you asked the parade organizers? Did they make an official statement
that, yes, Clayton Cramer has scooped the media again -- NAMBLA does indeed
march in the Gay Pride parades because their cause enjoys popular support
among the organizations sponsoring the parade?

Did they leak that story unnofficially? Can you trust such a leak?

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Look, I don't much care one way or another *who* the Hell marches in the
Gay Pride parades -- certainly not enough to spend any time on the phone
trying to get in touch with people who can answer these questions.

Have you *any* evidence that the conventional explanation for what you're
raving about, as I have seen posted in these fora in the past, that NAMBLA
is granted permission to march grudgingly because to exclude them would be
hypocritical in light of the fact that NAMBLA *isn't* a criminal
organization of child molesters (regardless of what everybody knows).

If you can't understand why the sponsors of the Gay Pride parade might
turn down the Nazis (i.e. they tend to have little sympathy for the
concept of `gay pride'), but grant permission to march to NAMBLA (because,
maybe they *do* feel sympathy with the concept of `gay pride'), while
still not being apologists for child sexual abuse, maybe you need to
examine your reality-tunnel a little more closely. Almost everything you
write is evidence that you're locked into a very parochial, white, male,
heterosexual reality-tunnel -- which in and of itself wouldn't be bad at
all -- but, you get this 'tude whenever you're presented with anything
that doesn't fit your model (i.e. that homosexuality does not cause a
predisposition toward child molestation, that competition isn't the only
factor in evolution, etc.) and do some annoying things -- like repost
adult material to innapropriate newsgroups (rather like the way Winston
harangues the soc.culture.jewish people; at least Harel posts political
material to the *.politics groups).

Finally, Clayton, here's a free clue. Use it wisely...

I would never have known there was a stereotype that homosexuals are
all child molesters, if *you* hadn't introduced me to it. I'm 26 years
old. I have never before been exposed to the idea.

Congratulations, you're molding another young and impressionable mind.

-- 
James Woodyatt  Space Systems/Loral   Palo Alto, CA   bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com

Don't be surprised if I don't follow-up on this thread. I have /NAMBLA/:j
in ~/News/talk/politics/misc/KILL.
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