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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 09:48:58 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A tragic accident (biased statistics)
 <1992Apr8.144040.1447@sequent.com> <1992Apr8.221236.7137@unx.sas.com>


Just FYI...  the more popular breeds do indeed bite more
often than any other... cockers, golden retrievers, etc.
However, according to JAMA (Journal of Am.MedicalAssoc.)
fatalities occur with pit bulls, chows, GSD, etc. etc.
I'm assuming that this is because the dogs are larger
and because of differences in biting behavior.  Our
cockers were more prone to nip or slash, while our
terrier will bite and shake.  A sock with a broken
neck is a pitiful sight...  :>
From: baz@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.ann.binder)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Vet & Kennel Recommendations Needed
Keywords: Colorado Area, Boulder County
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:16:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Sorry for the wide distribution, but our system will not let
me limit it to just the Colorado area.

I'm picking up a 2 year old Dobe next week (!!!!!! Yes, I'm excited!)
 and am looking for recommendations
for veterinarians in the Boulder County area (although I'd consider driving
further if he/she is good  We live in Louisville.) 
The Dobe Rescue group I'm getting her from uses a vet who comes to the house.
He seems good, but I was a concerned that he does not put the dogs
on heartworm medication until around May....we already have mosquitos
in the house.   Also if anyone can recommend a kennel in the Denver/Boulder
area that gives the dogs plenty of room  (private indoor/outdoor runs),
and provide "playtime" where the employees spend time with the dogs daily.
We recently moved out here from N,J, so I'm not familiar with who is good or
bad and I don't know that many people with dogs out here.  

Please email.
Thanks
Barb
baz@homxb.ho.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Chewing books (was Re: Strange eating habits)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:10:56 GMT

My Great Dane/GSD cross, Waldo, was going through puppyhood when I was
a TA in grad. school.  He generally was never bad about chewing
things, except for one time in particular.  This was before I knew
about crates, so he had the run of the house while I was gone.  I came
home to find he'd gone on a rampage - he'd chewed my record covers,
some of the stuffing from the arms of the couch, etc.  But worst of
all, he'd chewed up one of my student's lab notebooks that I had home
for grading.

I thought the situation was pretty funny when I had to reverse the
age-old student excuse of "I don't have my homework because my dog ate
it", to "I'm sorry I can't give you back your homework because my dog
ate it!"

Luckily the notebook had already been graded, and even luckier that my
student was also my neighbor, who knew Waldo well!

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: mryan@stsci.edu (Mary Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: seeking a Labrador rescue group
Keywords: is there a Lab rescue in Maryland
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:11:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute


Today I saw a posting on our local bulletin board which said "18-month-old
female black lab needs a home".  In this week's Johns Hopkins University 
newsletter, the classified ads contain two similar ads, one for a "yellow 
lab free to a good home" and another for a 4-year-old chocolate lab.  
It breaks my heart to see these ads, and to think that these dogs might
end up at the pound. I love labs, but I can't possibly adopt all of them.

Does anyone know of a Labrador Retriever rescue group in Maryland or the
surrounding states?  If I find one, I will contact all three of these dog
owners.  Thanks!

Mary Ryan				mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee)
Subject: Suggestions on Child's pet
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:05:46 GMT

I have a friend who's wanted to get her son a dog.  Her son is five
years old.

She wants a pet that can stay outside.  She wants a medium sized dog (not
as big as a lab).  She wants to make sure that it doesn't bark alot and
is good with children.


Any suggestions?


Lynn
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: digging pooch
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:24:30 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

mledna@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Matt Ledna) writes:

>| HELP! What do I do to stop a digging pooch?!

>  Zack used to love to dig.  I tried a number of different things to discourage
>  him, but no luck....until he dug up and shredded a brand new, rather
>  expensive, plant that we had just put in the back yard.  I went ballistic.
>  I sat on top of him, shoved his head in the hole, yelled at him, made nasty
>  comments about his mother, and shoved a big handful of dirt in his mouth
>  and nose.  I think he got the idea that I was upset.  He hasn't so much as
>  scratched the ground since that episode (four months ago).

>  So what's the lesson?  Who knows.  I just thought I'd pass on something that
>  worked.

You're a lucky dude.  I had a wonderful Black Lab named Teko.  Smarter'n any 
dog I've ever seen.  Fastest digger too.  She could do a rooster tail
10 feet high using both paws at once.  She undermined a 10" diameter
pine tree to the extent I had to remove it.

I tried everything.  Chemical repellents?  Nah.  She'd just wrinkle her
nose and work around it.  Then I put up an electric fence charged with
one of those little doggy chargers.  She figured out that she could
take the jolt long enough to push it to the ground.  So I substituted
the doggy charger with a 15,000 volt neon sign transformer.  Serious
shock.  She tries her trick.  Knocks her back about 10 feet.
She howls, shakes it off and thinks about it a couple of days.  Meanwhile
I think I have won.  Silly me.

Couple of days later I find her in her now usual spot in the big hole in
my wife's flower garden.  Inside the fence.  So I hide and watch her.
She'd get waaay down on the ground and skulk under the wire.  She
seemed to sense when she was getting too close to the wire.  Even
learned to keep that tail down after it got zapped once.

Unfortunately fate intervened before either of us could win the battle
of wits.  She jumped the chain link fence around the yard as she was known to 
do.  (If you can imagine a 100 lb fat dog climbing a fence.)  She cut 
her paw in the process and after it looked a little bit infected, I 
took her to the vet.  He gave her a shot of penicillin.  Two days later
and after over a kilobuck's worth of heroics, she died of an allergic
reaction to the drug.

I don't think I'd have ever broken her of digging.  It was a matter of
pride for both of us and she had a whole lot more time to think about
ways of expressing it.
-- 
John De Armond, WD4OQC        | What's the difference between Jane Fonda
Rapid Deployment System, Inc. | and Bill Clinton?  Hanoi Jane went to 
Marietta, Ga                  | Viet Nam.              
jgd@dixie.com                 | Need public access in Atl?  Write me.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Snakes and Dogs
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:38:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.152026.23301@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> eam9e@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Myers) writes:
>  
>   Does anyone know what kinds of snakes are prevalent in Colorado,
>   particularly around Boulder?  Has anyone had their dog bitten
>   by a snake? In Colorado?
>
>   What do you do when your dog is bitten by a snake?  Is there
>   a snake kit for dogs? 
>     
Our lab, Duke, was bitten by a cotton mouth in North Carolina.  Right
on the muzzle.  We took him to the vet, which was 45 minutes away (a
very rural area).  By the time we got him there his muzzle had swollen
a lot.  He looked sort of like a St. Bernard.  The vet gave him some
kind of anti-venom injection.  Duke was lacking his usual energy for 2
or 3 days afterward, then he was back to normal.  Two years later, he
got bit again.  And nothing happened, no swelling, nothing.  The vet
said some dogs do build up an antibody, or something, and they are not
as affected by subsequent bites.  However, he always recommended a
quick trip to the vet.  He also told us to keep the dog as still as
possible because moving increases the dog's circulation and the spread
of the venom.  

After that we couldn't keep Duke away from snakes.  He developed a
hatred for them that he didn't show towards any other animal -- except
cats.  He would actually go hunting for snakes.  When he'd find one,
he would circle it continuously, while barking constantly.  Then,
after 10 to 15 minutes of this, he would grab the snake behind it's
head and snap its "spine".  After it quit moving, Duke would lay it
down and go on about his business.  Nothing could deter him from the
snake and he never got bit while circling.  It was amazing.

schalene
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:26:56 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Apr16.164019.11434@cs.cornell.edu> honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig) writes:
>While I may not agree with Chris, and I may not even think it was
>appropriate for him to post about his religious beliefs in this newsgroup

Precisely.  It was completely inappropriate for him to post his
proselytizing remarks here, which is one of reasons I wrote a
moderately toasty followup.

>He's not using the net to try and convert anyone.

You could have fooled me; I felt that this was *exactly* what he
was trying to do, and I found it incredibly rude and offensive...which
is why I got out my flamethrower.
--

---Rsk
rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu
From: cxr5@po.CWRU.Edu (Cyndee Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Seizure (Epilepsy ?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:37:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.183727.11902
Reply-To: cxr5@po.CWRU.Edu (Cyndee Richards)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu (Frank Mulhern) says:

>My dog has a siezure on Saturday.  He is 4 years old, a black lab/golden/
>springer mix.  He has never had anything like this before.  He did not have
>convulsions (shaking), but he lost control of his bowels and bladder and

>poison, especially since I told him the dog had gotten out the night before
>and came home with a very strong smell on his breath.  My guess is that the
>smell was cat litter (Is that toxic to dogs?)
>    The seizure happened at 11:00 a.m.  Sam was getting better through the
>day, but at 5:00 his whole face started to swell.  First his eyes became
>surrounded with large swellings---he looked like a boxer (fighter).  Then
>his upper lips swelled so his snout looked like a walrus.
>    This lasted through the night and subsided on Sunday.
>    Now he is doing just fine.
>    Does this sound like epilipsy, a poisoning, an allergy...?
>
>        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing
>                        Penn State 814-865-0232    FJM1 @ PSUVM
>

I would agree with Marla Belzowski in that it sounds more like a poison
than a seizure.

My Popcorn was diagnosed with epilepsy when I got her about a year-and-a-half
ago.  Her head bobs up and down and her front legs go straight out in front
of her.  When she's in the middle of the seizure, she can hardly move on her
own except to crawl (to wherever I am, of course).  But they only last about
10-15 minutes from absolute start to absolute finish.  Sometimes she would
go into 2 or 3 right after another.

She has been on phenobarb since she was diagnosed, starting at one every
day and, when that didn't work, increasing it to two, I believe, quarter-
grain pills a day.  She was still having a seizure here and there which
was making me real nervous because she's only a 7 pound dog and I didn't
want to give her 3 pills a day.  However, a few days after her seizure,
my husband found two pills on the bathroom floor.  The day after the
following seizure, we found another pill.  The little bitch has been
spitting them out --- I now give them to her ONLY in a slice of hot dog
because then I KNOW the pill is going down.  Haven't had a problem in about
2 months.
From: cusanell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dominic Cusanelli)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: FREE ADULT DOG
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:47:54 GMT
Reply-To: cusanell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dominic Cusanelli)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


FREE TO A GOOD HOME - Adult male cocker-poo (hybrid breed 1/2 
poodle and 1/2 cocker spaniel), seven years old, neutered, all white, 
does not shed (must be cut every 8 - 10 weeks), 20 pounds, "inside" 
dog, has been around children all his life.  We are reluctant to part 
with him but our infant has shown allergic reactions towards him.
Other problem: He likes to escape from yard so he must be put in a 
fenced-in yard or on a dog chain when outside.  Habits: he tends to 
be active in the morning and evening, and sleeps most of the day.  
Is current on all shots.  Answers to the name of "Corky".  
Please E-mail any inquiries.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: building a kennel
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:22:29 GMT

sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.133734.24717@b11.ingr.com> 
>	 bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
>>
>>Anyway, the dog I am getting is a male American Staffordshire Terrier.
>>He will come from the same people who bred my female Staffie Bull Terrier
>>(I have a male GSD too).  The breeder has convinced me that I must build
>>a 30'x10' fully-enclosed, concrete-floored, containment structure.  He said
>>his dogs have escaped over 10' chainlink fences before.  The litter is due
>>May 15.

>Almost any big, strong dog can get over a 10' fence.  Train them not to,
>and built a 6' fence....

Another reason why I am going to build the kennel is so that the male GSD
and the male Am Staff can't tangle with each other while I'm gone.

Also, about a month ago, my Staffie Bull Terrier, who had never been a 
jumper before, became one.  She escaped two days in a row before I put up
the electric wire.  I told the breeder about this, and he told me about one
of the Am Staffs he placed who, when shocked by an electric fence for the
first time, got angry with it and ripped the wire down.  The owner came home
and found the wire and associated mounting hardware in a big tangled pile in
the middle of the yard.

>-- 
>Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
>sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

>The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily

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Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Boarding Kennels
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:09:18 GMT

O.K., I have the information on te ABKA.  ABKA stands for
the American Boarding Kennels Association.  The address and
phone number is:
                             ABKA
                     4575 Galley Rd., Suite 400A
                     Colorado Sprins, CO  80915
                     (719) 591 - 1113

I believe that I called them and they sent me information.  I
can't remember if they charged me for the information or not.
If they did, it was probably only a couple of dollars.  What
I got was two "pamphelts".  One has an alphabetial listing
of all ABKA member kennels in the country.  The second
one was entitiled "How to Select a Boarding Kennel, The
Pet Owner's Guide to Successful Boarding".  I found this
extremely helpful, as it lists a great many things to look for
and watch out for when choosing a kennel.  I used this information
and made a "questions" sheet that I used to evaluate the kennels
I was considering at the time.  This is how I chose my current
boarding kennel, and it has worked well for me.

srlee@beta.lanl.gov
From: ganz@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Steve Ganz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Burnese Mountain Dog
Summary: Anyone know a Burnese?
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:37:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr17.033740.21346
Organization: Western Washington University

My wife wants a Burnese puppy.  Does anyone have any first-hand knowledge
of this breed?  What do you look for or watch out for in pups.  
Arf!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Subject: ? Dutch Shepherd ?
Originator: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:11:09 GMT



  Yesterday, I saw a dog whose breed I did not recognize.  My firm is
located on an Air Force base, and the Air Police periodically conduct
random inspections of vehicles entering the base.  Well, they stopped
me yesterday morning, but this time they had a dog sniff through the
car.

  I asked the handler what kind of dog it was, and "Dutch Shepherd"
was his reply.  I wasn't able to talk with him more nor to take a
really good look at the dog.  It was a little more compact than a GSD
or a Golden Retreiver.  It had a sturdy build, but it wasn't overtly
muscular.  The coat was of short-to-medium length, and had a
salt-and-pepper coloration.

  So, does anyone else know more about this breed?  I didn't find it
in the AKC Complete Dog Book, although I just remembered that I didn't
check the Miscellaneous section.


Thanks,

Bill Chiarchiaro
wjc@ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: ALEX@camp.wpic.pitt.EDU (Alex Ferguson)
Subject: Any good German Shepard Breeders
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:40:20 GMT


Hi,
    I friend of mine mentioned that they are looking for a purebred
    German Shepard (Percy - their old one - had to be put to sleep)
    and I offered to post a letter to get some information for them.
    They're from Greensburg, Pennsylvania, so they would be looking
    for a breeder within driving distance.  If any of you have any
    recommendations or warnings about breeders in this area, please
    drop me a line (alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu) and let me know.

                                        Thanks in advance,
                                                Alex
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Organization: not much...
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:24:01 GMT

> Notes:
>     I know that this topic is *highly* contreversial, and as such
>     I would be very reluctant to have this discussion carry on
>     for a long time.  I will simply ignore any responses that do
>     not DIRECTLY relate to the question of animals having a soul
>     (ie.  any flames directed at me about other religous beliefs,
>     personnal assaults, etc) will be simply ignored.

Fear not, this relates "DIRECTLY" to to the question of animals having a
soul... as directly as yours did.

You're showing two things in your post:

1. an inability to differentiate between statements of fact and metaphors

2. a lack of sensitivity to the fact that your definition of "soul" is not
*the* definition of "soul"

The title of the original post was so obviously metaphorical that it's
inconceivable to me how you could have missed it (in fact, I have a theory but
this isn't the place for it...).

The majority of the people in the world do not accept Jesus Christ 
(particularly in the sense of your use of the term "acceptance"); if you doubt
me, go count all of the Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Jews, etc., etc., and 
compare to the number of Christians.  You are implying that their
religious beliefs, and their definitions of "soul", are somehow deficient, and
that yours is correct.  In fact, by your definition, nobody but a Christian 
has a soul.  That's fine for you to believe, but don't go around
making ex cathedra statements like "The basic question here is 'Do animals 
(pets) have a soul?' The answer is an undeniable NO." Your problem, Chris, is 
that there wasn't really a question, and if there had been, the answer is 
"If you believe that they do, they do, and if you believe that they don't, 
they don't."  I believe that they do, and if you want to tell me that I'm 
wrong that's your prerogative, but the Fact (with a capital 'F') is that your
belief is no more legitimate than mine, or a Buddhist's, or a Native American's.

By *my* definition, my dog has a soul as much as you do, and while I don't 
believe in a heaven, if there were one my old dog Fagin would most assuredly 
be waiting for me there.  If your religious beliefs can't tolerate this, I 
suggest that they're sadly deficient and unjustifiably anthropocentric.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bradav@auto-trol.com (Brad Davidson)
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Keywords: vicious
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:08:45 GMT


>> >> The article contained an account of a barking lab who
>> >> was shot to death by the Denver police because he was preventing a
>> >> a utility employ from gaining access to the power box.  The court decided
>> >> that the policeman's actions were justified under the law.
>> 
>> While fearing a flame fest, I have to say
>> that the Denver police action sounds
>> like it *could be* justified to me.  
>> I know that it may not be precisely
>>  popular in this news group, but I
>> believe that meter readers and postpeople
>> have the basic right to do their jobs
>> without being put in fear of bodily harm.
>> 
>> 

Lets provide more information on why the court ruled that the actions were
justified under law.

First... The meter was within the fence of the back yard, thus making the
    backyard considered public access.

Second... The dog was loose in the back yard, which means the dog was loose
    in the public access which would be the same as loose in your front yard.

Third... The dog was reported to have lunged and charged the meter man who
    was there to turn off the electricity for non-payment. The dog backed up
    when the police should up and drew the gun but was reported as lunging
    at the officer so he shot the dog because he feared bodily injury.

Bottom Line:  A dog can not protect the public area of your house.  This is
    in line with laws for persons.  You can not protect your front yard from
    tresspassing in a city.  You can not shot a robber that is not in your
    house.  A dog can not cause a person to fear bodily injury.

We may not like it but that is the results. If you do not want to put your
dog at risk then do not have meters and such in your back yard or have
your dog in a kennel.

Brad Davidson