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From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: Dial tone, but no dialing
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:12:57 GMT

FWR100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>In article <24407@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dowling@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Dowling)
>says:
>>
>> I have a perplexing problem (at least to me it is) and I was hoping
>> somebody out there has run into a similar problem and solved it.  I
>> have a Compudyne 2400 baud fax/modem (internal) installed in an AT machine
>> I built myself.  Recently, I've run into this problem;  when I go to
>> dial out, I can hear a dial tone for about 5 or 6 seconds, but no familiar
>> touch-tone dialing.  After 5 or 6 seconds, the dial tone is lost and
>> the message "NO DIALTONE" comes up.

>Before dialing, your modem listens for a dialtone.  The exact sound of the
>dialtone depends on your local telco exchange and is not always what the modem
>expects to hear.  You need to tell your modem to "dial blindly" without waiting
>for a dialtone.  You can check your manual, but ATX0 usually works.

Another possible problem would be that your telephone wires are crossed. 
Many modems monitor the telephone connection by watching the polarity of
the battery on the telephone line and will not recognize the presence of
dial tone if the wires are crossed.

It doesn't help that some telephone extension cords are pinned to invert
the line and some are pinned to maintain it.

Incidentally, some pushbutton telephones are unable to generate the DTMF
(TouchTone (r)) signals if the line polarity is wrong.

Try reversing the red and green wires (those are the only ones that matter
for most uses) somewhere between your modem and the telco line and see
if that fixes the problem.

Joe Morris / MITRE
From: lmebold@csghsg5a.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Why isn't RAMdrive faster than harddrive?
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

Hi all

When I recently experimented with my PC I was just shocked!

Is there anybody around who can tell me why a RAM-Drive isn't
faster than a Hard-Drive? I just can't understand that.

I've got a 486/33 machine with an IDE QUANTUM 240 Mb Harddrive.
I then made a RAM-Drive of 6 Mb and a softwrae-cache (Smartdrive)
of 2 Mb. I then copied CorelDraw 2.01 to the RAM-Drive (honestly
I didn't change the INI-files). By starting CorelDraw from either
the harddrive or the RAMdrive I couldn't find any difference in 
speed (ok so far, I thought that this could be because of the
INI-files I didn't change). I also copied some of the sample files
to the RAM-drive, so for example Train.cdr. When I opened this
file from either the harddrive or the RAMdrive there was no
difference in speed (about 9 seconds anyway). So can anyone tell
me why the RAMdrive isn't faster than the harddrive?


Thanks in advance

Luke
From: fevrier@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Ian Fevrier (EE))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Is a 486-33 with 0 ws cache faster than a 486-50 with 1 ws ?
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:30:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug22.063339.22929@zeos.com> kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.144712.26345@Warren.MENTORG.COM> stu@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Stu Brown) writes:
>>From article <1992Aug16.060405.15165@ariel.ec.usf.edu>, by fevrier@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Ian Fevrier (EE)):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HELP!!!
>>> 
>>> The 486-33  cache operated at zero wait state using 25ns
>>> sram; at 33mhz that works out to 30ns per hit .
>>> 
>>> On the 486-50 the cache (20ns chips) operates at 1 wait
>>> state. At 50mhz that's 40ns per hit ??????
>
>The clock cycle on the motherboard is probably being split
>to 25 Mhz before accessing system memory. This would be the result
>of using a 33 Mhz chip set on the motherboard. Landmark 2.0 and
>MIPS will show a better processor benchmark than what Norton will.
>There are significant differences in benchmarks. 
>
>
>The speed on the DX-50 needs to be check with multiple benchmarks to
>get the true speed and feel for what is going on with the particular
>board design. Norton SI gives an overall system index for performance.
>When the motherboard clock cycle is being split to 25 mhz to access
>memory you essentially have a DX2-50 except when you put on a 
>50 Mhz 128k cache.
>
>-- 
Isn't splitting the clock to 25mhz (40ns) the same as inserting 1 wait
state ?
From: forest@soda.berkeley.edu (Forest Edward Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Maxtor 7120A & BIOS Settings
Date: 27 Aug 1992 06:11:40 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: BIOS Maxtor

In article <1992Aug25.180900.7262@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmchs!auschs!terri.austin.ibm.com!ejdeal writes:
>Can someone please tell me the BIOS hard disk type parameters
>for a Maxtor 7120A disk?  It is a 386-25 w/ AMI BIOS dated

Maxtor reccomends the following:
Cylinders:    1024
Heads:        14
Sectors/Track:17
Write Precomp:1024 (NONE)
Landing Zone: 1024

The last two I have never needed to mess with; I believe the drive's
on-board controller handles that automatically.
Write Precompensation is the track at which your controller should
begin compensating for "bit migration"... the phenomena of magnetic
particles altering eachothers' position on the disk when placed
close together.  This is common on the innermost tracks of the disk.

-- 
Forest Edward Wilkinson
forest@soda.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lchiu@animal.gcs.co.nz (Laurence Chiu)
Subject: Re: IBM PS/2 MONITORS
Organization: GCS Limited, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:22:47 GMT

In article <4178.228.uupcb@u2u.lonestar.org> jim.dennis@u2u.lonestar.org (Jim Dennis)  writes:
>I was given a IBM PS/2 Model 30 to check out. There was no monitor with
>the unit and I know nothing about the PS/2 series. Can anyone tell me if
>an adapter can be used to connect a standard monitor to the 14 pin plug
>on the unit or if these computers work only with special PS/2 monitors?
>                                                                                               

A standard (analogue) VGA monitor should work fine with this machine.
Be warned though that your limit is standard VGA. There is no easy way
to go beyond since the VGA is integrated on the motherboard.

Laurence Chiu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chans@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Sean Chan)
Subject: motherboard chipsets...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:31:02 GMT

Gidday all,

I'm thinking of purchasing a 386-33/40 motherboard and would like to get
more information on chipsets. I know there are quite a few around -
OPTi, UMC, Forex, etc. What are they?? Particular brand of chips used??
Particular motherboard design?? Or both??

Which chipset is the best (in terms of compatibilty, speed, etc.)??

Sean             
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From: hho@aludra.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Which network card?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 23:45:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.151911.22477@dcatlas.dot.gov> joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:
>>    Etherlink II (8 bit)           $179
>>    Etherlink II / 16 (16 bit)     $279
>>    SMC/West.Dig. WD8013 (16 bit)  $179
>>    SMC/West.Dig. WD8003 (? bits)  $???
>1) I have found them generally reliable.
3 com cards are very reliable
>2) They are relatively inexpensive compared to other boards.
Try the Etherlink III :-)
 
>3) They include good diagnostic software.
Yes, 3com software aren't that helpful.

>4) They are now entirely software configurable.  This means that the same
>   IPX.COM will work on the board no matter which IRQ , I/O address, and
>   RAM base address is being used by that particular board.

Yes, it is a paint to remember what you set on the hardware on the Etherlink
II, the 16bit is software config

>For a workstation, an 8 bit card should suffice.  I generally put 16 bit
>cards in servers.

Intel cards are good also :_)
H.


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                           hho@usc.edu      hung@phsys.com      hung@cccogp.com
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: 10Mhz Math Co in 12 Mhz 286????
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:42:40 GMT


Yes by all means use you old Math coprocessor...Intel only make em in 10mhz, and
so the socket should be 10 also, the 386, is the start of the line that damands
using matching cup mhz with the Co-pro....:)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Gateway CS1024NI = (!=) Mag Monitor
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 10:19:04 GMT

huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes:
| The Gateway Monitors are made by Mag Computronics. The other monitors
| appear under the name MAG Innovision. I have heard that they are
| the same and different companies at different times. I wish someone
| would clear this one up also.

etsiao@joule (Eddie Tsiao) writes:
| I think these companies are the same.  I visited their plant several months
| ago to get some adjustments done for my monitor.  My impression was that
| they were in the process of reorganizing the company.  I too, have seen
| them refered to by both names and since both lead to the same phone number
| and address, I figured they were just changing their name.  When I visited
| their wharehouse, I saw a *large* number of Gateway boxes.  They provide
| Gateway with various sizes of monitors from small 13" to their top-of-the-
| line 17" digital sets.  They have been mostly an OEM company but they are
| starting to move into direct sales.  

  Tri-Star also says it OEM's its monitors from Mag.  Has anyone actually
  compared a genuine Mag monitor to either the Gateway or Tri-Star monitors?

  My general impression has been that Mag monitors (15f,17f) have gotten
  pretty good ratings while the Gateway monitors are regarded as mediocre
  at best.  I would be surprised if they were the same monitors.
  ==

  Bob                                           Seattle, Washington
From: ascheng@athena.mit.edu (Adelbert S Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Help! Problems With Microsoft Mouse
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:07:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Cc: ascheng

I have been having problems with my Microsoft Mouse and was hoping that
someone on the net might have encountered the same problem or might have
some suggestions/advice.

The problem is this:
When I use the mouse, the pointer basically moves where I want it to, but
the movement is extremely jittery (i.e. the pointer shakes around a lot,
sort of as if it's had an overdose of caffiene).  This makes it very
difficult for me to point to a specific icon or spot on the screen.
I thought the problem was just that I needed to clean the mouse, but I
did that very thoroughly, and the problem still persists.  After
investigating further, I discovered that the problem is with the metal
roller that controls the horizontal movement.  When I take the ball out
of the mouse and move the rollers with my finger, the vertical movement is
nice and smooth; the horizontal movement is the one that is jittery.

I would appreciate any help anyone could give me on this.  Also, does
anyone know how to (if it is possible) take apart the Microsoft Mouse
(completely open it up, not just take the ball out)?  Perhaps I could
find out what exactly is wrong if I could get inside.

Much Thanks,
Ed Cheng
ascheng@athena.mit.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 08:57:46 EDT
From: <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ISA cards in an EISA bus

   The ISA cards generally run flawlessly in EISA as long as no ISA
cards attempt to share IRQ's with any other card.  EISA can share IRQ's.
This is my experience with a Taiwan clone of AMI Enterprise II...
   In particular, the MS Bus mouse and MCT par/ser IO card coexist perfectly
with an AMI Fast Disk II and an Orchid Prodesigner IISE.

Jeff Andle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gude@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (David J W Emrich)
Subject: Re: 3.5 Drive Setup..
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:33:54 GMT

hho@usc.edu (*** N.T.K.C.D. ***) writes:


>Thank you allll so much for replying my problem about
>NO ROM BOOT when I boot up a new system.
>The problem is a badly setup 3.5 drive as A:, I replace the 3.5 with 
>5.25 and it works perfectly.. Thanks allll.. Oh, the problem with harddisk
>is that I replaced the Future Domain with Adaptec controller, so after
>I reformat, it boot off the SCSI drive perfectly..

>Now, could you please help me setup the 3.5 :_)

>It is a Chinon FZ-357 3.5 inch 1.44meg drive.
>It has a bunch of switches: DS0, DS1, DS2, DS3, MM, MD, DC, RDY, and TTL/C-MOS
>Which ones should I set? :-)

>I still want it to be drive A:

>Thank you :-)
>H.

If you have a "twisted" drive cable, set DS1 on and DS0,DS2,DS3 off.
If the cable is straight, set DS0 on, and DS1, DS2, DS3 off.
When I say twisted, and straight, I am referring to the ribbon cable
having some of the wires (about 6 I think) reversed from the normal
direction.  That is a twisted cable.  The straight cable is just pin to
pin connected.  The way the twisted cable works is that you set BOTH of
the floppies to Drive 1 (if numbers are 0,1,2,3... If numbers are
1,2,3,4, both drives should be set to Drive 2).  This would normally
mean that both drives would be B, but because of the "twist" in the
cable, one becomes A.  The twisted one is A, the straight one is B.

The only other one I am sure of is the TTL/CMOS one, which should be set
to TTL (CMOS is for the lap-top computers).


[dav]    aka
David Emrich
gude@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Need help with WD Controller card
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:51:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I have a Western Digital MFM (I think) controller card.  The model
appears to be WD1006V-SR2.  I cannot get it to respond to a 
hard drive.  The only pins that are jumpered are 1 & 2 of W1.
W1 has pins 1-6, and W2 thru 5 are two pins each.
Can anyone tell me which pins to connect to enable 2 floppy
drives and two hard drives?

Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks!


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: 3X1 Dram...what d you think?
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:12:49 GMT


I have 3 by 1 dram on my board...I have heard that they can cuase
problems...should I replace them with standard 9X1s or are they ok..I am talking
about the dram that only have 3 chips making up one meg, instead of the usual
9chip units
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: LOCAL BUS: Video & IDE can't coexist?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:46:17 GMT
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA

In article <1992Aug26.111225.1620@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil> sfullenkamp@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil writes:
>He "explained"
>that this was only a problem with the dx50 system.  DX33 systems could
>have both video controller and IDE disk controller on the local bus.

Sounds like an overloaded local bus to me... could be anything
from clocks to address/data to ready.  It's really a much
better idea to go with a m'board which already has the local
bus video and IDE on the board.  The plug-in boards give the
illusion of being able to upgrade in the future or even allow
a purchase before all of the boards are available, but most
likely boards that aren't available won't be and the standard
will change before any new updated boards are introduced.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson)
Subject: Re: Gateway CS1024NI = (!=) Mag Monitor
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:57:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.205316.20730@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>I (bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu) wrote:
>|  Tri-Star also says it OEM's its monitors from Mag.  Has anyone actually
>|  compared a genuine Mag monitor to either the Gateway or Tri-Star monitors?
>|
>|  My general impression has been that Mag monitors (15f,17f) have gotten
>|  pretty good ratings while the Gateway monitors are regarded as mediocre
>|  at best.  I would be surprised if they were the same monitors.
>
>pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>| We have both the Gateway and Tri-Star monitors here in our lab.  They
>| are totally different.  The Tri-Star monitor has a set of digital
>| front panel controls, while the CS1024NI uses analog controls mounted
>| in the back.  The Tri-Star monitor, IMHO, has a sharper picture at
>| 800x600 and above - it's almost useable at 1024x768, which isn't bad
>| for a 14" monitor - whereas the CS1024NI seems a bit fuzzy at the
>| higher resolutions.  IMHO, the Tri-Star unit is a much better monitor.
>| 
>| Unfortunately, neither one has markings that clearly indicate who the
>| OEM is.
>
>  I called MAG Innovision (1-800-827-3998) and they confirmed that 
>  both Tri-Star and Gateway OEM their monitors.  They said that except
>  for the digital controls in the front and the different brand names, 
>  all three monitors -- Tri-Star, Gateway and MAG -- were identical in
>  every way.  
>  ==
>
>  Bob                                       Seattle, Washington
>
>  

The original question (I forget who asked it) were if Mag Computronics
and MAG were one and the same.  Your question was vague, it should
have been "Are ALL Gateway 2000 Crystal Scan monitors made by your
company?".  I think the 15" Crystal Scan looks a lot like a MAG, but
I don't think the other ones do.


-- 
Jim H.
*
* James L. Henrickson
* ujlh@sunyit.edu        "Some day I might have a real .signature!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: AMI BIOS Password - Answer!
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:12:47 GMT

>>kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:
>>The other way is to zap the password directly in cmos
>>memory.  The cmos is located at i/o port addresses 70h and 71h.  There are 64 
>>bytes in cmos memory.  Write the address to port 70h, and read/write registers
>>at port 71h.  For example, to read address 20h in the cmos, write 20h to address
>>70h, then read address 71h.  The password occupies six bytes from 38h to 3dh.
>>The addresses 3eh, 3fh, and possibly 37h are used in decoding the password,
>>but I don't know how.

>>Kevin Anderson

> So, if you have forgotten your password, how exactly can you read/write to 
> anything when you're staring at a PASSWORD: prompt????!!

> Ivan Rayner

You can change/zap/read/write/whatever the password if the password checking 
option is off in the BIOS setup.  This is useful is you've forgot your
password, but don't have the password checking option on.  It's
also useful if you want to change the password on somebody elses machine
(who don't happen to have their password checking option on).  I wouldn't
recommend doing this, however, as it might be dangerous to your health.

Kevin Anderson
From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T. Dudek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 286 XT (yes it exists) BIOS upgrade question
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:28:40 GMT
Organization: UB

I have a Wavemate 286 XT Bullet motherboard and would like to upgrade the BIOS
chip.  Should I purchase BIOS for an XT, or BIOS for a 286?  Will either
work?

For those of you who have never heard of such a motherboard, think of it as
a "286 SX" where the internal to the processor is 16 bits, but external is
8 bits.  i.e.: It has an 80286 CPU and an XT bus.

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From: russ@pta.pyramid.com.au (Russell Day)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Stealth Installation Trouble
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:48:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney

I have a new Stealth VRAM HiColour and, wouldn't you guess, I cant get
the driver installed under windows, which is convinced it is just a
dumb VGA.

	I received the following disks:
		driver disk		v 2.32
		Windows 3.1 update	v 1.10

	My problem, running SETUP, is that it cant find a file called
	CARVGA.GR2 on either of the driver disks.  Without it, Windows
	refuses to play.  Any hints?

	Ok, there is a file called CARVGA.2GR, which might do the
	trick, but it seems odd that a real live release disk has
	something as dumb as a misnamed file. (and I did move it and
	it still didnt work)

Any hints?
Russ.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.msdos.programmer
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Why only 6 bits of R,G, or B on a VGA?
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:31:27 GMT

adair@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jonathan Edward Adair) writes:

>Does anyone understand why there are only 6 bits of each color
>available for the VGA pallette?  I'm no hardware guru, but just
>from what I do know it seems that storing 8 bits of each color
>instead of six would probably be a very cheap mod.  I also imagine
>that there isn't that much of a difference between an 8-bit DAC
>and a 6-bit DAC.

Actually there is that much difference. For a DAC that works at vidio
speed, 8 bits costs more than 6 bits. Plus three are needed for red, green,
and blue. The price of an 8 bit DAC has come down since the original VGA
was made, and there are now some boards available with 8 bit DACs.
But they are still more expensive than the plain VGA boards.

>So why not go to 8 bits of each?  

>(The same IBM reasoning that gave us the 640k barrier?  ...the 
>320x200x256 mode?  ...and on and on...)

>Or is there some hardware consideration I'm missing?

>--
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