HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: Yawning and the pain in the nose?
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 20:14:17 GMT

I get strange sensations in my nose without yawning.  
Allergies make my nose feel strange.  Pimples make my
nose feel strange.  Elaborate on your condition and I'm
sure some the enlightened residents will be willing to
discuss your problem.

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Maurice LaBiche   |   labiche@bnr.ca 
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Subject: Re: Sumatriptan
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.195659.1533@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:
>
>Do you have any impression about sumatriptan's efficacy and side
>effect profile in comparison to dihydroergotamine, which is in
>wide use here and quite a bit less expensive?  Is the inhalable
>form of DHE available there?

As it happens, there is a poster here at Neuroscience Finland '92 conference
that I read just this afternoon on the efficacy of intranasal sumatriptan
on migraine attacks. It appears that two 20 mg doses given 15 mins apart
relieved 53% (n=37/group) of the patients entirely of pain within 120
mins, compared to 11% of the placebo-treated patients (p<.001). Major adverse
effect was disturbance of taste, reported by 38% of the patients. Other
side effects included dizziness, sedation, nausea and hypertension reported
by 5% or less each. No clinically relevant adverse effects were observed.

The results were similar to those achieved with 6 mg s.c. and 100 mg per os.
However, patients seem to prefer intranasal treatment due to the GI-symptoms
involved with per os sumatriptan and the general discomfort of injections.

As for comparison with dihydroergotamine, I haven't seen one yet, but the 
general side-effect profile of sumatriptan seems to be better that that
of ergotamine. Also, I haven't heard of inhalable dihydroergotamine, but
then again I'm not an expert.

/ep


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: Body Temperature during Cardiac Surgery
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:38:36 GMT

	I am not a doctor (at least not an M.D.), but when my six-day old son
had open-heart surgery to fix the transposition of his right pulmonary artery
and his aorto, it seems to me that they colled his body to 60 F (15 C to you
SI users).  They did this using ice and a heat exchanger.  I also know that
for adults they can't use ice becaue the surface area to mass ratio is not as
conducive to the rapid cooldown that is necessary to shut don bodily functions.
At least this is what the cardiologist told us.  Please forgive me if I have
improperly stated this latter fact, and I wiould welcome corrections.

Magdi N. Azer
magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Forced kidney donations
Summary: Rumor never confirmed; apparently urban legend
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:51:36 GMT
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct15.103129@axion.bt.co.uk> jpennell@axion.bt.co.uk (John Pennell) writes:
>
>I recently read the posts regarding the use of pig's livers in humans.  Recently,
>there has been a rumour close to my home town of young people being sold
>"drugs" at parties which have later turned out to be tranquilisers.  The young
>people disappear for 3-4 days and when they return, a very professional job has been
>made of the removal of a kidney.
>
>Until now, I have dismissed this has a stupid rumour, but the post got me
>thinking.

Lots of people have "heard" about this but no case has ever been confirmed.
It's apparently an "urban legend" -- a story that takes on a life of its own.
An entire newsgroup (alt.folklore.urban) is devoted to such things.



-- 
:- Michael A. Covington     internet mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu 
:- Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0359
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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: ken mitchum, please don't leave sci.med
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:25:35 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

First, I want to second the endorsements of your postings and those of
Gordon, Mark, the Davids (Rind and Nye), Steve et al.

km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:

|                    I am certainly no expert, and there is very
|little factual material that I have posted that a reasonable physician
|would not have already told the patient. It bothers me that people
|have to seek this information from a newsgroup.

For most of us I think we have been able to learn things about
medicine and its practice that would be fairly inaccessible to
non-physicians who don't actually live with a doctor.  While you are
correct about what a patient should learn from a doctor, you have
provided information which I had forgotten to ask my doctor about, or
about which I had no reason to ask my doctor while not under treatment
for anything.

ObAnecdote: as a result of Gordon's answer to another poster about a
twitching eye I consulted a neurologist.  Turned out to be an eyelid,
not an eye: myokymia, if I read my writing correctly, but I was glad I
had it checked, it was worrisome.  (It's a little embarrassing
explaining that you want a referral to a specialist because of
something you read on a computer network, even if you can cite Dr.
Banks as your "authority".  :-) )

	/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "GO TO JAIL.  Go directly to jail. Do not pass
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  Go.  Do not collect $200."
              N1MNF  |           -- Parker Brothers
From: obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: MEDICAL COURSES (VIDEO)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

I am interested in taking a few medical courses
like intro to medicine and medical terminology.

I have an engineering background, and have used video
couses for engineering, and would rather
do my studies via video tapes. I seem to get more
out of them, if the video couses are structured properly.

If anyone could recommend a program that they liked, or
one that sounded good, please let me know. 

                               Thankx Jimm..

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|o|   | @ @     |o|           Horizon Research Inc. (HRI)              |o|
|o|   c  _)     |o|        1432 Main street Waltham Ma. 02154          |o|
|o|    \ o      |o|   obrien@HRI.com (617) 466-8364 FAX (617) 466-8323 |o|
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From: urjlew@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: rape and std's
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:02:04 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service



Well why not test the (partner/rapist)?
Surely that should be possible without any prejudgement of blame.
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len B.)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA - Is this true or is it a hoax?
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:05:13 GMT
Organization: Informed Consent

I have heard rumors that the FDA has actually gone into a
group (chain?) of vitamin stores in Texas; held the employees
at bay with whatever; adn proceeded to confiscate all
vitamins, minerals, and herbs.

I have heard that this action is an antecedent to a bill which, if
passed, will make all such products available BY PRESCRIPTION
ONLY!

Is any of this true???? If anyone has any information on this
Texas/FDA rumor I would appreciate it if you Emailed it to at
.......    lpb@stratus.swdc.stratus.com

TIA! :^)

Len
--
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The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: ken mitchum, please don't leave sci.med
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:58:58 GMT

Me as well... you provided quite a bit of information to me
about shingles a while back which enabled me quite quickly to
decide whether to take my children to see my mother (the patient).
All worked out for the best and my mind was set at ease.
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Stomach problems
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:31:09 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <1992Oct15.140804.24530@bcars6a8.bnr.ca| muradia@bnr.ca writes:
|I seem to be suffering from some stomach problems for a while now. I have seen
|a gastroentologist (sp?) he could not find anything serious (no ulcer). My 
|problem is that I have acidity build up almost all the time, which requires me to take Malox. I have been on Zantac, it helps but I do not want to be dependent on it. Is there anything that can be done? Has anyone else experienced similar
|symptoms?

I have known two people who have had the problems you describe. In both
cases I wondered if they were taking too much antacid and throwing
their systems into a basic (as opposed to acid) state. Bases will
burn just as badly as acids.
-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Medline access?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct5.011128.1513@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:

>Also, does anyone know if there is a medical informatics news-
>group (and if not, why not)?  It seems like the main focus of
>activity in medical informatics is in Compu$erve which I refuse
>to use.  

There's a mailing list.  AI-REQUEST@sumex-aim.stanford.edu I think,
but I'm not sure.  If that's wrong someone will probably correct
me or I'll correct myself next time I get mail.

No medline access that I know of through internet.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<BSIMON.92Oct8132715@elvis.stsci.edu> <1992Oct9.000315.6415@spdcc.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:55:01 GMT

I'm aware of the study that you cite. Dana Ullman comments on the
study, noting that while Rhus tox. is commonly used by homeopaths to
treat rheumatoid arthritis, it is not a usual treatment for
osteoarthritis. You assert that the majority of controlled studies of
homeopathic medicine show negative results. To the best of my
knowledge, the contrary is true. I was wondering if you could cite any
more studies showing negative results of homeopathic medicine.

--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		similia similibus curantur
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adenomatous Hyperplasia
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:09:30 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1992Oct10.012451.11522@smsc.sony.com> rodney@smsc.sony.com writes:
>Please email information. 

>Rodney Wilson
>rodney@smsc.sony.com


Adenomatous hyperplasia of the colon, maybe?

How about giving us a hint.

---------------------
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: hypochondriac vs worried well
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:57:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1992Oct16.015715.1791
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <Oct.15.17.02.51.1992.1272@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Joyce Morris) writes:
> To physicians on the net:
> 
> How do you tell the difference between hypochondriacs and the worried
> well?  Or do you consider there to be any difference?

There isn't any difference.  A hypochondriac is one who has "an
excessive preoccupation with real or fancied ailments" (New Webster's
Dictionary).  Is that what you mean by "worried well"?
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: What body temp for cardiac surgery?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:55:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23854
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1992Oct9.142228.20739@csrd.uiuc.edu> saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen) writes:

> Not being a medical expert, I can still reveal that normal body temperature
> is 36-37 Celsius. If your body temperature is 28.7 C, I suggest seeing
> a doctor immediately, if you still can get to one.

Naah.  The probability of being able to get to a doctor with a body temperature
of 28.7 C is much less than the probability of having a defective thermometer.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Using the net for Curbside Consults
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:46:38 GMT

> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>In <viking.718921080@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu writes:

>> 	Since there is no credential verification anyway, I don't see a
>> problem.  If you blindly follow advice on here, you take your chances.

>> 	Advice is what you get here.  What you do with it is up to you.

>Oops. We seem to be talking past each other here.  I wasn't asking about the
>advisability of taking advice from sci.med (indeed, I'd just as soon see all
>the advice requests outta here).  I was responding to David Nye's suggestion
>that the net might be useful to physicians for "curbside consults."

>Probably I should have written a different Subject Header.

	Looks like you read my follow-up before it was cancelled at your
site, thanks to an alert reader who gave me some remarkably polite e-mail.
Strangely enough, your is the first on the subject at my site, so I had
just assummed you were referring to sci.med and not some other forum.

	Still, I think the idea holds.  When dealing with the advice from
other doctors, any doctor who disbelieves what the other says is more
than likely to engage in a fairly good debate on the subject.  Those who
are unqualified will be soon rooted out.  In addition, those doctors who
do not have a first-hand knowledge of the patient will not give orders;
they will give suggestions and recommendations.  It's still up to your
doctor to make the choice and perform on it.  The others are simply
going to give him more options to consider.

	The problem would come where your doctor blindly accepts the
words of the others.  Thankfully, this should be incredibly rare.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up  (was: alternative medicine newsgroup)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 12:47:16 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Why it is so tiring to deal with cranks.

-*----
In article <1992Oct5.205204.5875@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>>> ... You say "alternative" medicine isn't science, but I have
>>> posted on more than one occasion about the scientific
>>> inquiry into Oriental medicine, but you ignore it. Why? 

I wrote:
>> Your posts were not ignored.  Both Gordon Banks and I asked you
>> some very basic questions about the subjects on which you posted.

In article <1992Oct8.201209.6202@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
> What I was referring to in previous posts was scientific validation
> of treatment success with Chinese medicine in order to counter the 
> "its just a plecebo" argument. ...

Again, Robert Greenstein's memory is faulty.  No one here ever
made the argument that every treatment in traditional Chinese
medicine was "just a placebo."  This was a strawman he created.
In response, I posted an article explaining (1) that this was a
strawman, (2) that it was quite likely that many treatments from
traditional Chinese medicine *are* efficacious, but (3) that
traditional Chinese medicine lacks the theoretical and
experimental sophistication to help us evaluate its treatments.
(My original posting on this went into more detail, but at this
point, I tire.)

Robert Greenstein then crept back into the shadows.  Now, he
returns, and he is writing the *same* mistakes, he is putting the
same words into people's mouths, and he is pretending that his
claims were never met when he first posted.  *This* is why it is
frustrating to deal with cranks.

> But you are arguing that I need to scientifically prove the 
> existence of qi before I can make any claims of efficacy. ...

Not at all.  From our first discussions months and months ago,
I pointed out that (a) the efficacy of any particular treatment,
and (b) the validity of the theories in traditional Chinese
medicine are two very separate issues.  You *do* have to 
scientifically prove the existence of qi in order to claim the
latter.  

> ..., if you insist, here is a short, non-inclusive bibliography
> that I came up with it. ...

Will you help me, here?  Which one of these describes the basic
experiments showing the existence of qi?

Russell
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:50:49 GMT


In article <ldma34INNn6q@news.bbn.com>, levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
|> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> |In article <1992Oct7.122825.13082@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
|> ||> 	The one with the problem grew, ran, played.  The one WITHOUT
|> ||> 	the problem was tired, sickly, etc., etc.  All a result
|> ||> 	of this medicine.
|> 
|> |If this is the same TRUE story I read about, the child with
|> |the congenital heart defect was the one who was sickly and
|> |eventually died.  After her death the switch was discovered
|> |and the parents attempted to get their genetically-related
|> |daughter back.
|> 
|> And now we are being offered TV movies of the week as documentary
|> evidence.   What's next, the World Weekly News?

*I* didn't see it on television, *I* read about it in
_People_.  I'm *sure* they wouldn't print anything that
wasn't true.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:31:40 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Oct8.174449.24296@octel.com>, richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik) writes:
>>>Lets take another cut at this - First of all will anyone who knows
>>>the mechanism of the action of aspirin please step forward and describe it -
>>>preferably Steve Dyer -who claims that it is well known.
>>>I would like to know this and others might also ..
>>
>>Look it up--I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.  I've talked
>>about this tens of times on sci.med in the past 7-8 years.
>       Bully for you -then resurrect one and mail it to me please.

O.K., I will accept the challenge as a newbie who isn't yet sick to
death of giving the same answers over and over. :)

Fever consists of elevation of the hypothalamic set point through
the action primarily of leukocyte pyrogens.  Neurons in the ant.
hypothalamus alter their rate of firing in response to changes in
temperature, both in the brain and from peripheral thermoreceptors.
When the temperature exceeds the set point, heat dissipating
behaviors are stimulated, such as peripheral vasodilitation and
sweating, through increased activity in neurons in the ant.
hypothalamus.  Once the measured temperature comes up to the new
set point, this activity stops.

The leukocyte pyrogen interleukin-2 exerts its action via a
prostaglandin E-2 mediated input to the anterior hypothalamic
temperature sensitive neurons.  Aspirin blocks the enzyme which
catalyzes the production of prostaglandin.  So there you have it.
Ask away if any of it isn't clear or if you would like additional
references.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: res4w@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Robert E. Schmieg)
Subject: Re: What body temp for cardiac surgery?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:50:45 GMT

I think you are confusing comfortable ambient temperatures
with core body temperatures.  In any case:

[all temperatures in Celsius]
usual body temperature = 37.0
temperatures for cardiopulmonary bypass:]
  initial perfusate = 30.0
  decreases in perfusate temperatures may be as low as 4.0
  
body temperatures are measured nasopharyngeally
  goals depend upon duration of operation, need for total
circulatory arrest, duration of ischemic time, and anticipated
needs for low perfusion states.
  no circulatory arrest -> body temp of 25-28
  total circulatory arrest -> body temp of about 15

[ref: Holman WL, Kirklin JK, Cardiopulmonary bypass for
cardiac surgery, in Sabiston DC, Textbook of Surgery, 14th ed,
1991.]

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.013914.94217@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>In article <BvrJL2.3H2@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>
>>In my experience it's always been the other way round: the "expert" fumbles
>>and the nurse gets it right.  With this sort of motor skill, you don't need
>>a postgraduate degree, you need practice.  Most nurses get more of that than
>>doctors do.
>>
>>-- 
>>--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
>By "expert", I mean the person in a hospital that spends practically
>the entire day going from room to room drawing blood.  You know,
>the "walking vampire".  You probably cannot get more practice
>than this.  
>

Yep - in my experience, they *never* call a doctor in to place
a needle in a vein.


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: matrrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Raman R. Ramesh)
Subject: Searching for medical fellowship in neuro-surgery/paediatrics
Summary: Looking for a medical fellowship in the US for a neuro-surgeon and 
Keywords: neuro-surgery, paediatrics, neurology
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:28:41 GMT


  I am posting this for my sister and brother-in-law. My brother-in-law is a
Neuro-Surgeon currently on a commonwealth fellowship at Cambridge, U.K. My
sister is a paediatrician. They are very interested in securing a Fellowship
in the US or Canada. They have published a number of articles in leading medicaljournals. They have not taken thier ECFMG exams. They want to get a fellowship for a short while in this country. 
  Their contributions to society through research will really be valuable as they have both the background and the inclination.
   It would be valuable if anyone could provide information about how to get
one. I will be happy to provide more information about them.
My address is:
Raman Ramesh
4090 Pine Set Drive
Alpharetta, GA 30202.
Ph: (404) 953-6921
    (404) 664-7634.