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From: ailbhe@skid.ps.uci.edu (Cheryl Fritschle)
Subject: Re: Day Care Worker Pay Scales - Shameful!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: Twin Peaks Sheriff Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:16:27 GMT

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

>In article <970059@hplred.HP.COM> ishizaki@hplred.HP.COM (Audrey Ishizaki) writes:
>>Let me preface my comments that the daycare center I use in in California,
>>which may have different regulations than other states.  I believe that
>>licensed daycare in CA requires caregiver:infant/toddler ratios of 1:4 or
>>less.  I was told that for preschool (3 and up?), the legal ratios jump to
>>one caregiver to 12 kids.

>Often what is done in California (at least at the 4 day care centers I looked
>at) was that there was one wonderful person in charge of 16 infants and 3
>"assistants" who basically did nothing but change diapers and fix bottles.
>All four of these centers (actually homes) were highly recommended and had
>long waiting lists.  And while the extra adults met the ratio, there really
>was only one caretaker.  


Title 22 Day Care law in California states basically: the infant:adult
ratio is 4 to one(infant being a child up to age 2), the
preschooler:adult ratio is 1:12(preschooler being age 2-5) and
afterschool child being 1:15(age 5-12). This is for a qualified
teacher, which is defined as a minimum of 12 Early Childhood Education
units, or 6 units and concurrent enrollment in additional units. Some
centers have higher standards. In addition, some centers are able to
obtain waivers to this by having an employee prove to the social
worker that the employee has sufficient experience to merit being
counted in this ratio. This applies only to Day Care *Centers*.
Licensed Day Care homes are another matter entirely. here, the ratio
for small day care is one adult to 6 children, no more of whom can be
younger than age 2, OR 4 infants(up to age 2). In a large day care, it
is the same, one caregiver for 6 children, 2 can be under 2, OR 4
infants, but 12 children are allowed to be in the same home at the
same time. There are no educational or experience requirements for
licensed day care homes.

Oh, in addition..an aide in a day care center is qualified to look
after 3 children(preschool age, I'm not sure about infants), as far as
ratio, with a minimum of 3 ECE units. In a day care home, the only
requirement for an aide is to be over 18, and have a TB test if they
are a regular employee. 

Cheryl Fritschle
ailbhe@skid.ps.uci.edu
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Summary: another endorsement
Keywords: gate
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:13:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1966@shuksan.boeing.com>, mikey@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Fields) writes:
> 
> On to the reason for the post.  What we have is called the "Walk-thru Ultra
> Gate" by Nuline industries in Wisconson.  It locks/releases with a latch at

I have to toss in another endorsement.  We use the Ultra Gate in 3 different
spots, each of which is installed slightly differently.  The gate is very
easy to open/close (for an adult) and can be mounted in what might otherwise
be "non-protectable" spots.
	Steve Albert (Billy's dad - 22.5 months)
	ssa@usl.com
From: paula@prc.unisys.com (Paula Matuszek)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:20:09 GMT
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA

In article <1992Apr13.152900.27026@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>  Teenagers?  Naw, they're still extremely ego-centric.  More like "parents
>  are ogres who won't let me do this, won't give me that."
>  I don't believe people reach this stage "wow, parents are people too",
>  until they become parents themselves. ;-)


Before we panic all the parents with toddlers :-)

I have the joy of living with three counter-examples to that
statement.  My 17-, 15-, and 13-year olds are all caring, considerate
people who understand that I am also a person and also have needs.

Most recent case in point--I worked late last night.  When I got home
my 15-year-old son (who is on spring break, and was therefore up
late), told me to go sit down while he made me supper, then came and
kept me company while I ate.

And he's GOOD company; they all are.  I'm finding that now we get the
reward for all the time and effort we put in when they were younger.
This isn't to say that we haven't always enjoyed them; we have.  But
WOW!  nobody told me how neat teenagers are!

So don't think you're necessarily facing some future seven-year
nightmare where they can't wait to escape and you can't wait to see
them go :-)

--Paula Matuszek
  paula@prc.unisys.com
From: pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: TAX for maternity leave
Date: 12 Apr 1992 18:25:45 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu


>I was on maternity leave and was paid by SDI and an insurance
>company

What is this SDI? Is it state-specific?

When I came to work at Baylor College of Medicine, in Houston, Texas, I 
had to attend an orientation meeting, at which they proudly told us about 
various leave policies, such as the three-month maternity leave. I thought 
that sounded pretty good at the time--until I learned that it didn't 
include any pay! In fact, they don't even guarantee your job back, just 
some job. The only real benefit besides being guaranteed some job is that 
they do continue to pay for medical insurance.

My husband managed a branch of a bank at the time, and his female 
co-workers could get 60% pay as short-term disability for several months.

My maternity leave is going to consist only of saved-up sick leave and 
vacation pay.

Paula
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: Mysterious headaches
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:33:01 GMT

From article <1992Apr7.022917.10816@access.digex.com>, by andy@access.digex.com (Andrew M Cohn):
> Our 6 year old son "suffers" from constant headaches. They are located
> on each side of his head, directly above the ears. He never mentions them
> or complains about them unless you ask him. The "headaches" have 
> absolutely no effect on his otherwise normal behavior and mood. A sinus
> xray (frontal) shows nothing. The only other thing for us to do is
> have a CAT scan, which his doctor suggests we not bother with. The 
> possibility of the headaches being psychological has been discussed,
> but I think it is unlikely. We would think that if someone suffered
> from constant headaches, day after day, they would be affected by
> them in many ways, but this is simply not the case. The doctor thinks
> we should just ignore the matter. Has anyone out there had similar
> experiences? Would like to hear about them, via E-mail to me. Thanks!

One other possibility is Lyme Disease.  Persistent headaches is one symptom.
Others include achey joints, slight fever for several days, and the sure
sign (but usually unnoticed) bullseye rash.  You live somewhat outside the
high risk area, but it still is a possibility.  Why not get the blood tests?
It's only a little discomfort for a few seconds, and could save much grief
later.  Be sure to get both tests (I don't recall their names, but there are
two they can do).  And don't let your periatrician talk you out of it.
From: Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: SIDS as population control?!?!
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 92 15:50:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <56448@cup.portal.com> <1992Apr4.050328.17223@access.digex.com>

>>Well, here in the U.S., we are at almost zero population growth. What we
>>need to do is provide EDUCATION to other countries that are having a hard
>>time with high birth rates to learn how to control those births.

>Yeah, RIGHT!  The US has no problem at all.  Ever tried to drive the DC
>beltway?  Naw, there's no overpopulation here!  None at all!  What an
>ultra moroon.  Look, silly person, the US is the SUCKLING PIG of the
>planet.  You people suck down 25% of the world's energy, eat most of
>the world's meat, rob other countries of natural resources, stripping the
>earth of anything of use, buying rainforest hardwoods as quickly as they
>can chop the trees, complaining about the Japanese while buying 3 VCR's
>per house (well, I have 6, but that's because they have more and bigger
>nifty flashing lights on them....actually, I buy the only US made VCR
>but I forgot what it was called.  You know, the one with the dual decks
>that blasted the Japanese patents to hell), and bloating themselves until
>they die of cholesterol poisoning and colon cancer cuz they can't shit
>fast enough to eliminate the carcinogens they take in the other end.
>
>Naw, the US has no problem.
>
>Q

I never even mentioned that we don't have any problems. I just mentioned
that we are at near zero population growth. Where in the he** are you from?
Unless you are from Antarctica, every country on this earth has problems. If
you haven't realized that, you are the ultra moroon. Actually, I believe
you fit the bill much better than I, since you don't even know how to read.
Otherwise, you would not have made the comments that you did.

Renee Roberts

Followup To: misc.bitbucket
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: nssdca.7APR199211550039
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <17707@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes...
> 
>I read in my local paper yesterday that this year my county is instituting
>MANDATORY kindergarten enrollment if a child will be five before Dec
>31.  I think this is even stupider than a cutoff date!  Both the child
>who may not be ready and the rest of the children in the class (not
>to mention the teacher!) will suffer.  I'll bet a lot more kids will
>end up repeating kindergarten, rather than just not attending the first
>year.
> 
>This doesn't apply to us yet.  Hopefully the county will learn the error
>of their ways before my son starts. (at least three more years)
> 
>Diane Segelhorst
>
Diane, this is not a county rule, it is a new state law. However, 
there are 3 exceptions (which I cannot remember right now). Also,
there will be a set of guidelines issued for the enactment of
the exceptions. These have not come out yet. This is a case of a
law with good intentions (to get the 10 % of kids who currently
do not go to kindergarden to go) but that is having bad
consequences for the 90% who do attend kindergarden. Hope
this helps.
                           Patti Twigg
                           STPAT@lepvax.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Subject: Re: Six YO "Meany"
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:47:46 GMT


In a previous article, tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) says:

>I have a six year old son (seven in two weeks) and he is soooooo mean!!
>He chokes his two brothers and his "friends" for no good reason - We
>use time-outs as punishment and do not understand this - perhaps another
>kid had choked him before?????   At any rate - I would be interested in
>finding out if anyone else has encountered this problem - he also hits,
>kicks, bites, you name it!!!!
>
>Help I'M GOING OUT OF MY MIND!!!
>
>Thanks in advance!!!
>
     Perhaps you should sit down and talk with your son about his troubles;
it could be that he this is his way of relieving some sort of pent-up anger
or frustration.  Your theory that another kid has choked him is quite
plausible.  Sometimes kids don't tell their parents things that bother them -
I held things in for months at a time at this age.
     Depending on when/why he does this, there are a couple suggestions you
could give him.  If it's merely that he's more physical than some kids, and
feels he has to "fight back," encourage him to yell or even do something like
stomping his feet.
     Perhaps timeouts don't work because you use them for too many other things,
and positive reinforcement is necessary.  Give incentives, like staying up an
extra 30 minutes or something, for every day he goes without hurting someone.
Take away a privilege automatically when he does hurt someone.  First, though,
have the talk, just to make sure there are no hidden problems.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Another baby teeth question
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:43:42 GMT
Reply-To: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Many people, including myself, never lose there baby teeth.  That is,
my baby teeth were/are, infact, my permanent teeth.  Although this is
only true for my molars, I wouldn't be suprized if some people retained
all of their baby teeth.

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much.  It's funny how things like
this have a way of working themselves out.
From: czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Summary: Try this one!
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:26:53 GMT
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus


Try to find "It's Raining Again" by a pop band called Supertramp.  It has a
kind of whimsical melody and also what I believe has children singing in the
background.

I also recall it has nothing objectionable.

()())()()()()()()()()()()
Kevin Wright 
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From: wilson@mimsy.umd.edu (Anne Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nap Time Trauma - Thank You!
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:34:45 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

About two months ago I wrote to this newsgroup about trouble
I was having with my 2.5 year old and his naps.  I recieved
many wonderful, helpful, supportive responses.  Thank you to
everyone who responded.  Just knowing that other people have
also felt this way is comforting.

About 50% of the respondants indicated that at about 2.5 years
old their children stopped napping, although perhaps only
sporadically.  Bedtimes were often moved up to accomdate this
change.

Others gave suggestions for soothing my little one into sleeping,
such as quiet music, and napping in different locations.

Neither of these have worked for me.  Instead, I have made the
decision not to put him down for his nap until he is clearly tired,
which, for me, tends to happen about 3:00 or 4:00.  Before I
felt that it was imperitive for me to keep him line with his nap
times at day care, which at at 1:00.  But, letting him nap late
at home hasn't been a problem - he still naps fine at day care
like he always did.  And, he might stay up a little later, which
is fine.  Nothing has gotten too far out of alignment with this
arrangement.  Once I became less dogmatic, things improved.
Typical!

Anyway, thank you again for helping me!  I *really* appreciate
it!

Anne

Xref: sparky misc.kids:13050 alt.kids-talk:639 alt.parents-teens:675 misc.education:1937
From: mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:48:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr15.214807.1545
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <807@dogear.spk.wa.us> root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>
>I'm sorry you believe this is an attack on parenting. I think it's safe
>to say that the majority of parents believe it to be the schools working
>with us to protect the most valuable thing there is.
>-- 
>root@dogear.spk.wa.us                 "I tell you, -even it up..."
>Bob Kirkpatrick                                           --heart
>Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA


I couldn't have said it better myself (I really couldn't have...).
Bravo Bob!  *applause*

Marissa
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: musically inclined?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:40:35 GMT
Reply-To: staffan@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Apr9.193948.23155@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>
>My one year old cannot resist dancing to any and every bit of music she hears.
>She seems to be able to have enough "rythm" to dance slow to slow music and 
>fast to the beat of faster music (which she prefers by the way). Is this
>typical for a one year old child or do I have a budding musician/dancer?

Well, I don't know enough one-year-olds to comment on what's typical, but
I do have experience with one particular one-year-old :-) (birthday was a week
ago).  Not only does he dance to music, but he seems to be developing some
kind of "taste".  He'll be playing quietly in the living room and we'll 
have the stereo on in the background (CD or radio).  All of a sudden, at
the change of a song, he'll take notice.  I don't know if it's a particular
beat or sound that triggers him, but something does.  He'll get up, toddle
over to the stereo, crank the volume knob!, and then do a hilarious
rocking/spinning dance.

Of course, he has no respect what-so-ever for his ears, our ears or my
speakers :-), so when I see him heading towards the volume, I sneak in
behind him so that I can discretely enforce an upper limit!

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Maintain milk supply or wean?
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:03:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I will be away from Doug for 2 days two weeks from now.  Currently, he is
only nursing mornings and nights and taking formula and juice during the day.
I will miss 4 feedings altogether.  Should I attempt to pump milk while I am
gone?  My milk supply is pretty small as it is, will being away this long
cause it to stop for good?  Doug is 7 mos old (today!), but I guess I'm not
quite ready to give up nursing yet.  How did other mothers make the
transition?  Part of me says this would be a good time to make the break,
while another part says not yet.  Doug also is starting to go through the
separation/stranger anxiety stage.  This makes me think that the combination
of weaning and being gone could be hard.  Am I being too dramatic about all
of this?

Thanks for advice and comments, it's reassuring to hear from parents who have
lived through these transitions already!!

Chris Himes
From: mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:57:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: scubed.1992Apr16.215722.28869
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

In article <167CBD95C.X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Kimberly Faircloth) writes:
>
>The rest of the country isn't in the dark ages as far as the availability
>of condoms is concerned.  But, have you ever seen the prices of those
>condoms in the convenience stores...over $10 a box!  They are a little
>cheaper in the stores such as K-mart and Wal-Mart.  But the other
>problem about this is what about that girl/guy who's too embarrassed to
>go out and buy them?
> 
 It hasn't been that long since I was in high school, well maybe it just
 seems that way.  I am a female so the male view may be different.  It
 was always up to my boyfreind to buy the condoms.  I wouldn't have
 bought any unless I was at a store far from home and school where I
 wouldn't run into anyone I knew.  I would never have gotten condoms
 from school.  I think that anyone who would be too enbarrassed to buy
 a condom from a total stranger, would also be too embarrassed to get
 one at a clinic (or from a nurse) at school.  If you don't want a stranger
 to know you are sexually active who definately don't want anyone at your
 school to know either.

 A better approach would to make sure that all students are aware of
 the locations of Planned Parenthoods and other clinics in the area.
 I think the students would have a much easier time going there.  I know
 I did.

 mona@scubed.scubed.com
> 
>Kimberly Faircloth                |x045kf@tamvm1.tamu.edu
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>           and Juliet is out cold..."
From: holly@resumix.amd.com (Holly Monnich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:58:49 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices

In response to:

     "I have read and analyzed research, therefore I know how to treat 
      children." (not an exact quote)

I say:

     "I have read, am raising, and analyzing my child daily, and I still
      don't know how to treat children." at least not all the time.

The only way I get through parenting is reading and agonizing my child and
hope to whoever I am doing what's right for his individual personality and
knowing all the while somewhere I am making a mistake, but at least I know I  
am doing the best I can possibly do.
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Phone Ettiquette
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:58:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: satyr.KAYVAN.92Apr13225847
	<1963@shuksan.boeing.com> <1992Apr10.113916.13290@umiami.ir.miami.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Apr10.113916.13290@umiami.ir.miami.edu>
ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes: 

   Funny, my experience is exactly the opposite!  We moved frequently also, but
   I've lived in one place since I was 18 and NEVER want to have to get used to
   new streets, new grocery stores, new schools...in fact about once a
   year I have a nightmare that my husband comes to me and we have to
   move somewhere new :(. 

My experience was of growing up in at least 2 cultures, moving
frequently, and being able to "root" anywhere. I can make fast
friends, and if I have to leave, I can adjust quickly. Maybe too
quickly? 1/2 ;-)

   Ann Helmers
   the colonel's daughter and the no-war-toys mom.

Hmmmm... I guess you learned something useful from the colonel.

			---Kayvan
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:03:12 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

> Judy Leedom Tyrer writes:
> >In response to Kate Gregory's request for rain songs:
> >
> >Peter Paul and Mary have a wonderful one (don't remember which album).  
>  
>     It's on the original album.
>
> We've been listening to it quite a lot lately and it goes like this:
...
>   It's raining, it's pouring the old man is snoring
>   Bumped his head and he went to bed and he couldn't get up 
>   in the morning
...
>        Ladybug ladybug Fly Away Home
>        Your House is On Fire and Your Children
>        They will burn

Although this is a wonderful song, the original poster asked for happy
songs about rain, and it is not clear to me that old men suffering
severe trauma to the head and children burning meet the usual defintion
of "happy"!

What's next?  "Rider on the Storm" by the Doors?  :-)

							Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.kids