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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Catholic music
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:12:40 GMT
Keywords: Catholic, Talbot

In article <dhills.721451033@sfu.ca> dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills) writes:
>Hi.  I recently went to a catholic church, and I really enjoyed 
>the music.  There was a guitarist, and some really cool sounding
>instrument -- it sounded like some sort of flute or panflute.
>And the singing that went with it was simple choruses, and very
>beautiful.
>
>My question is whether there is any music like that available on
>tape or CD. 
>
>I do know about John Michael Talbot, and have his "The Quiet side"
>(kinda a compilation/best of) tapes, and really enjoy them.  What 
>are his best albums?  Is there anyone else that puts out this style
>of music?

I can't comment on other artists, but John Michael Talbot's music is
uniformly excellent.  I'm particularly partial to "The Lord's Supper"
and "Come to the Quiet" from the early eighties, but it's really
hard to go wrong with anything you choose.  It all fits the 
contemplative/acoustic/chorus mode that you're looking for, and 
it's all done very well.  His first two albums, "John Michael
Talbot" and "The New Earth" are probably a little too folk/country
for what you're after (but still good).  Otherwise, take your pick.  

I'm not sure from your posting whether you're really after "Catholic" 
music or "contemplative worship" music, but if it's really the former, 
then there are hundreds of classical compositions based on the liturgy 
from the Catholic Mass.  It's kind of fun to play JMT's "The Lord's
Supper" (which is the Catholic liturgy) back to back with, say,
Mozart's "Great Mass" or Beethoven's "Missa Solemnis" to hear 
radically different musical styles that use the same material.

>Thanks,
>
>DMH 

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Jason Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:32:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Nov9.183219.1629
Reply-To: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Nov8.103437.21080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>
>  This might not be the best group to ask this question, since I'm not
>speaking specifically about CCM artists, but.... here goes.
>
>  What Christmas albums do people recommend?  I am a big Christmas
>music nut, and have already begun spinning my discs this year.  I also
>went out and bought a few new ones, and am considering buying some
>more.  So I wanted to hear people's recommendations.
>
>  
>  Thanks!
>
>
>--Raymond Flournoy        

Well I have read all the replies to this request that have been posted so
far I would have to say your not the only one who likes Christmas music.
I really do I've been listening to it ever since Garth Brooks released
"Beyond the Season", which is an excellent album.  I could also recomend
Amy's new album but I have heard it isn't as good as her old one, you see 
I have not heard the old one yet.

Someone said Acapella/AVB "A Savior is Born is good and it is.  Acapella has
a new one coming out, and I'm guessing it is going to be good too.

That is about all I can add to your ever growing list.  Have fun choosing 
only a couple.

God Bless and
Happy Holidays,

Jason Schmidt
 
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From: AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon)
Subject: Re: Mister Mister Christian?
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:37:28 GMT

In article <davej.42.0@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
davej@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (David F. Juraschek) writes:
 
Dave,
>Was it just me or did anyone else get the impression (from lyrics and
>subtle gestures/imagery in videos) that Mr. Mr. may have really been a
>secular group but made up of Christians?
 
I get that impression too. Mr. Mister frontman Richard Page has worked
with Amy Grant a couple of times. Quite a few Christians are making a
living in secular music (aside from Amy and Smitty's crossovers), including
Michael Omartain (Who has turned the knobs for Peter Cetera and Rod Stewart)
 
>By the way, what happened to them anyway?
 
I don't know, but I would suspect they are probably writing or recording
either as a group, or as session musicians. (sheer conjecture)
 
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From: n3x092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Geoff Lloyd Burian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: The Awakening?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:59:33 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca

Anyone know the whereabouts of "The Awakening"?  I think they may be from
Canada (Ontario?), and I like their sound a lot, particularly on their
album "Into Thy Hands".  Does anyone know if they have more recent stuff out
or even if they still exist?

If you haven't heard them they have a neat mixture of acoustic guitar,
synthesizer and vocal harmonies.  Quite a "fresh" sound (for lack of a
better term) and thoughtful lyrics.

Geoff


-- 
===================================================================
Geoff Burian                   Computer Science Student
n3x092@rick.cs.ubc.ca          The University of British Columbia
                               Vancouver, Canada
From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is "progressive" music?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:03:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <JARTSU.92Nov13023905@lk-hp-10.hut.fi> you write:
>
>Somebody asked here what is "industrial" music. 
>Well, I ask what is "progressive" music, and I hope that somebody
>couldgive as good answers as the "industrial" question got.
>
>--
>          
>          Jartsu

Well I'll try to give this a shot.......

The best way to understand progressive rock is to simply listen to
classics like:

Genesis- Selling England By the Pound
Marillion- Misplaced Childhood
Jethro Tull -Thick as a Brick
Yes- Relayer
Emerson, Lake and Palmer- Brain Salad Surgery
Gentle Giant- anything

There is actually a long file at some ftp site somewhere related
to the Gibraltar progressive music newsletter which actually 
describes the main categories of progressive music and goes on
to describe more than a hundred progressive artists/groups!
I know this isn't directly realated to Christian music but anyone
interested can email me to find out about this file.

Progressive to me means creative, innovative, often taking many
listens to get used to, complex (not always), sometimes very
long songs (20+ minutes) which explore many different musical
ideas with varing tempo and meter changes (much like classical
music in that respect), a lot of instrumental variety, strong
instrumental performances....there are many different
subcategories of progressive such as "space rock", "classical
progressive","Oldfield progressive","neo-progressive",
"jazz fusion progressive","art rock","Gentle Giant progressive",
etc. etc. etc. there is so much to say about this exciting
category of music!

I hope to check out some Kerry Livgren soon, Kansas was a good
example of progressive music (leftoverture era).

Feel free to email me if you like this type of music or want to
know more...I'd still like to hear some recommendations for
more Christian progressive artists!

In Christ,
Rob

-- 
Rob Martino                          |     (clever or particularly funny
martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)
Worcester, Massachusetts USA         | 
-- 
Rob Martino                          |     (clever or particularly funny
martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)
Worcester, Massachusetts USA         | 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: SATAN!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:24:11 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: levelland.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov4.222413.446@lrc.edu> twiggs_te@lrc.edu writes:
>say people, have you heard the new DEICIDE album? real cool stuff,
>especially that cool track called 'demon-spawn', man, i really dig
>the chorus: "drag me through the hell-slime, mama, satan, he....."
>of course the rest is censored but--OH, PARDON ME.....THIS *ISN'T*
>'ALT.DEVIL.MUSIC'????
>

LOOK!  Someone has actually read Bloom County!  I'm glad to see that ol'e
Berke Bretherd is still fresh on the minds of the youth of America.

I'm still looking for the next DeathTonge, er, I mean Billy and the Boingers
album. (check your local bookstore for their first!)

:-)

                                Troy Carpenter
                        Department of Computer Sciences
                        THE University of Texas, Austin
                              psurge@cs.utexas.edu

"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor

*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
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From: moss@mdd.comm.mot.com (Barry Moss)
Subject: Arlen Salte
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:35:50 GMT

I'm curious to know if there are any other Arlen Salte fans out there
on r.a.c. Arlen is based out of Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) and permorms
mostly in Canada, but I know that he's toured in the US as well. I saw one
of his albums (Here I Stand) in a San Jose bookstore a couple of years
back when I was visiting the area, so I know he's had some exposure in 
the US too.

So, has anyone else heard of Arlen before? Seen him perform? Actually 
purchased one of his albums? Even care about this topic? Inquiring
minds want to know! :-)

Disclaimer: I've enjoyed Arlen's music and ministry enough to book him 
and his band Heart Attack into a couple of youth conferences I orgainized 
a couple of years back.


-- 
Barry Moss				 (604) 277-1511
Motorola: Mobile Data Division, 11411 Number Five Road
Richmond, BC, Canada  V7A 4Z3
Disclaimer: These opinions are my own, not those of Motorola.
From: tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: drums and worship
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:48:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Drums and Worship
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Keywords: 

   This is my first time posting on ANY news thing, and I've tried
twice already, so bear with me.

   I am a relatively new drummer for our church and would like to generate
discussion about the use of drums in worship.  Although drums and cymbals
have been mentioned in the OT in conjunction with praise, it seems to me
like some churches feel like drums are more distracting than other more
conventional "worship" instruments (e.g. guitar and keyboards)  Specifically,
what are some steps that I can take to minimize distracting effects and
maximize the additive effects of drums?  

   Also, I would like to make an open call to all ye drummers out there:
I'd really like to set up some sort of email list so we can share ideas
from time to time.  Feel free to send your address to me, and maybe
a brief intro about your involvement with drums and worship.

                                 Praise be to God,

                                 Thomas Chen

                                 (tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu)
From: abney@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Pray for Rain
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:07:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

Hi, 
	I went to college in Minnesota (where Pray for Rain
	is from).  I got to see them many times at the 
	New Union (a christian "night club") before they got 
	famous.  They are really neat guys and sound great 
	live.  Once they opened for Steve Camp and he thought
	they were great too.
	
	When they started playing there, they first called 
	themselves "Inside Out".   Then another group called
	"Inside Out" got a record contract or something so
	they changed their name to "Pray for Reign".  Shortly
	after that, it got changed to the awesome name they
	now have "Pray for Rain".

	I'm really glad that they are getting more airplay and
	circulation.  I love their music and style.  It's hard
	to classify, sometimes it's punkish and their ballads are
	really heart touching.

	It's great to actually get to talk about Christian music
	in this group!

				--Faith
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rhalse20@ursa.calvin.edu (Rob Halsey)
Subject: Re: Rachel,Rachel, (Kansas, POKR, Kerry Livgren, etc.)
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:36:56 GMT

Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com> writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.004034.13566@samba.oit.unc.edu> Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:
>>This is my first posting to the net (outside of laUNChpad.general). 
>>I wanted to know if anyone knows why Rachel Rachel covered Kansas'
>>"Carry on wayward son" on their Way to my heart album. Don't get me 
>>wrong, They sound like they were born to sing that song, but I can't
>>decipher any positive message behind the song that they might want to
>>convey. Can anyone help me? The only message I can find (and I've 
>>looked hard) is supporting rebellion. I love the song, but is it 
>>Christian?

>Well, Denes, Kerry Livgren wrote the song, after his conversion to Christ,
>I believe.  I don't want to bore you with what you already perhaps know,
>but from that album (Point of Know Return) on the themes of his songs
>were quickly diverging from the rest of those that were on the Kansas albums.

Actually, Kerry wrote the song before his conversion.  In his book
_Seeds of Change_, he says that it was more of a reflection of life in
general, but that there was not a distinctly Christian message in the
song.

>How about the line:  "If I claim to be a wise-man, it surely means that I don't
>know."?  (Made especially wierd since the RR's are to a man, not; men that is ;-)

I would say that once again, Kerry is referring to the situation of life
as he sees it.  Nothing more.
--
* rhalse20@calvin.edu is...* -OVERHEARD AND QUOTABLE- * "So get out there
Rob Halsey (A.K.A. Trebor) *  "Bend over, bend over,  *  and rock, and
Calvin College  Phi 33     *  'cuz "Slick Willie" is  *  ROLL THE BONES!"
Grand Rapids, MI 49546     *  takin' over!!!"         *        -Rush
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: correction:  ANIMATOR w/FAREWELL TO JULIET show date
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:18:00 GMT

CORRECTION!

The Animator date is Friday, October 20th.  Not 24th (Tuesday).
Sorry!

Should be a great show.  

Farewell to Juliet IS opening the show at 9:00ish.
Our singer is out of town for a church leadership conference
of some sort, so John and I get to serenade the wonderful fans.

The show is at MABEL's on Green St. in campus town.
Come one, Come all!

Jeff
From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:53:21 GMT
Followup-To: dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <nestabro.721626208@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>Okay, here's something that came up in our Bible study the other night.  We
>are to feed on things of God.  I think a serious question people need to ask
>themselves is, "do I read the word (or listen to Word-based music) as much
>as I read (or listen to) secular books/music.  God says we are to focus on
>the things that are of him.  I don't personally have a hard time if someone
>pops on, say, some Kansas once in a great while, but when I go into a house
>and see scads of worldly books and music hanging around, and no evidence
>of Scripture and Sripturally based things, I have to wonder.  Wasn't it
>Isaiah said something like "I will proclaim Him when I wake and go to
>sleep, when I stand up and when I sit down..." (paraphrase)?
>

Okay... This whole question has always been tough for me. The word
definitely proclaims that all we do is to be to the Glory of God
(my apologies to David Meece). In other words, its not just a question
of good vs. bad music, it's a question of giving glory to our Lord
and maker. Obviously, that's more important. (look at Carman for an
example). So, is Mettalica giving glory to the Lord? Are we, when we
play them? Can we afford not to give the Lord praise in all we do, 
when we live in a world that is fundamentally opposed to Him?
	These are not rhetotrical questions, to which I already
have pat answers, but dillemmas that we _must_ weep before the Lord
over.

Gotta Go.  --Denes House (dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu)


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From: kaschenb@fraser.sfu.ca (Kevin Ernest Aschenbrenner)
Subject: Re: Catholic music
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:52:26 GMT

Also, you might want to check out John Michael Talbot's
"The Lord's Supper" which has arrangements for all the
parts of the Mass...very good.


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dharker@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Harker)
Subject: Re: Pray for Rain
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:15:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


In article <BxMnq3.8M0@vcd.hp.com>, robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes:

|> One quick question - do they have a keyboard player?  If so -
|> what's his name?  The keyboard player in a band I was in in Iowa
|> (originally called Prism, changed to Pryzm when somebody else
|> with a real record label decided they like Prism, and then to
|> Inside Out after I left - some coincidence, huh?) is now
|> in a band in Minnesota, but I don't remember the name of the
|> group.  His name was Dan Hicks - could it be the same guy (if
|> not, it's at least a bunch of coincidences).
|> 
|> Bob Taylor
|> HP Vancouver
|>  

I just saw them 9 days ago, and own their CD.  Both 
indicate three members of the band, the lead singer/guitarist,
bass guitar, and drums.  No keyboards at all in live concert,
but on CD some keyboards are evident.  
The band itself uses no keyboards.

They are incredible in concert - see them.

Dave Harker

IBM - Rochester, MN
AS/400 Order Process Software Development

Internet:   dharker@vnet.ibm.com
(507) 286-4565

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From: chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin)
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:58:40 GMT

Raymond Suke Flournoy (flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 
:   This might not be the best group to ask this question, since I'm not
: speaking specifically about CCM artists, but.... here goes.
: 
:   What Christmas albums do people recommend?  I am a big Christmas
: music nut, and have already begun spinning my discs this year.  I also
: went out and bought a few new ones, and am considering buying some
: more.  So I wanted to hear people's recommendations.

Well, having read 4 responses and not seeing *my* favorites listed,
here goes:

An Evening In December (Vol I & II) by First Call - a capella
extraordinaire, with guest artists such as Cynthia Clawson, David
Meece, Wayne Watson, ...  The arrangements are by David Maddux; this
contributes in no small part to their beauty.

When I get out my Christmas music, these are the first ones I listen
to.

-- 
Roger Chaplin / Instruments Division Engineering / 14 million women will not
chaplin@keinstr.uucp / CI$: 76307,3506          / have the right to choose -
#include <disclaimer.h>                        / they have been aborted.
#include "disclaimer.h" /* cover all bases */ /
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:51:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <nauman.721404012@hq> nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman) writes:

>Is it Just me, Or did anyone else feel that this is the most offensive
>thing you'd seen posted on R.M.C. in a long time?  The last thing
>that I remember that upset me that much, was when the satanist posted
>here a long time ago. :)

It may not be just you, but it sure isn't me.  I very much enjoyed Andy's
posting.  I felt he was mocking the concept that God is a Republican,
which an unfortunate number of Republicans believe.  And he used King
James-speak to do it.  Nowhere in that post did I see even a hint of an
attempt to discredit God, his laws, his love, his righteousness, his
mercy, or any other aspect of his character.  



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Organization: Doctoral student, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:03:15 -0500 
From: "Eleen N. Kamas" <ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: who wrote these?

Someone suggested the following songs for the wedding song list that I
maintain, but didn't know all the info I like to include.  So, could
anyone help me out by identifying the artist/composer & album for the
following two songs?

>Majesty (I don't know what version, just that it was quite the powerful
>piano piece)
>        this was played as the Recessional - very moving and appropriate
> 
>Forever In Love (artist - I can't remember but one of the lines says
>something about 'Lovers making
>        time for love' and another mentions that lovers should spend
time in >prayer together,
>        very touching)  -       good for a solo/special music

Thanks!

Eleen N. Kamas
ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:25:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:

> Raymond Suke Flournoy (flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
> : 
> :   What Christmas albums do people recommend?...
> 
> An Evening In December (Vol I & II) by First Call - a capella
> extraordinaire, with guest artists such as Cynthia Clawson, David
> Meece, Wayne Watson, ...  The arrangements are by David Maddux; this
> contributes in no small part to their beauty.

Then I'm amazed you didn't mention Clawson's own contribution, "Carolsinger",
also largely arranged by Maddux. Easily my favorite of the genre. Highlights:
Advent Suite (Stand Still & Wait), How Far is it to Bethlehem, and an 
absolutely haunting/devastating version of the Coventry Carol (the texture 
vividly suggests the wailing of the bereaved mothers of Bethlehem). Not a 
sleeper on the album.
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