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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Fish-finders
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:46:47 GMT

In article 1101@oracorp.com, tom@oracorp.com (Tom) writes:
> 
> The discussion on fish finders reminds me of a conversation my
> Dad had a few years ago.  Some guy comes into his office bragging
> about his new boat and how it was rigged with the latest and
> greatest fish finder, down-riggers, side-planers and all kinds
> of fancy "stuff".  My Dad looked this guy straight in the eye
> and told him that if he ever had a short circuit, he wouldn't
> know how to fish.  I thought I was going to die laughing because
> this guy was really offended by that comment.
> 
> -- Tom


i like that and oh how true.
down with technology. get back to your roots and just fish with line and rod and 
hok and of course bait.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What fish
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:28:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.165043.17081@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.181746.6050@shearson.com>, scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
||> i guess i am old fashioned . i believe in going fishing and enticing it to eat my hook. a fish finder doesnt guarantee it will bite. so its more fun to go blind. 
||> 
||> Steve C. 
|
|Have you ever fished "blind" in a 200,000 acre lake?  

Are how about mooching for Salmon in the pacific ocean.

|Until you are familiar with the lake (couple of seasons), you are wasting 
|your time.  Maybe this is fun, I don't know...
 
Part of the fun/challenge of fishing is reading the water and trying to
determine where the fish are.  Whether this is done electronically or just
through experience is the issue.  Whichever technique one uses depends on
the fishery.  A chart recorder isn't going the help much on a alpine stream
but is a significant advantage in the ocean or other large section of water.
Still there is a certain amount of satisfaction in being able to locate fish
base purely on experience.  At the same time, when fishing streams one may
be able to locate a fish fairly easily, and the challenge comes in enticing
that fish to take whatever you decide to throw its way. 

NOTE: from now on when I respond to an article in alt.fishing I will set up
the followup line to rec.outdoors.fishing.  All fishing discussions should
take place in that group.

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: tom@oracorp.com (Tom)
Subject: Re: Fish-finders
Organization: ORA Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:12:09 GMT


The discussion on fish finders reminds me of a conversation my
Dad had a few years ago.  Some guy comes into his office bragging
about his new boat and how it was rigged with the latest and
greatest fish finder, down-riggers, side-planers and all kinds
of fancy "stuff".  My Dad looked this guy straight in the eye
and told him that if he ever had a short circuit, he wouldn't
know how to fish.  I thought I was going to die laughing because
this guy was really offended by that comment.

-- Tom
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: guidebooks on where to fish ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:11:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec10.195201.15454@nevada.edu> bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek) writes:
>>
>>The book I saw, by the way, was Sierra Trout Guide by Ralph Cutter,
>>pub F Amato (Portland).
>>
>>Also... I don't get rec.outdoors.fishing so if you reply to this
>>as a post rather than e-mail please cross-post to alt.fishing.

Talk to your systems administrator.  There is no inherent reason why
you should not be receiving rec.outoors.fishing.

>Northern CArtographic (?) publishes a pretty good Vermont fishing atlas.
>the Delorme (?) gazateer series (covering about a dozen states so far,
>mostly in the East but also N and S California) are great ways of getting
>around unfamiliar territory, but you have to bring your own fishing 
>information.
 
"Mostly in the east"?  I've seen Delorme's Gazeteer for North and Southern
California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho and most recently Alaska.  I've 
completely worn the cover off my No. Cal. version.  The only reason I
haven't replaced it is because it's full of notes about the the type of
fish in a particular lake, hot spots, and other pieces of useful info.


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From: eng10115@nusunix1.nus.sg (YIP PAK HONG)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: fishing
Date: 11 Dec 92 06:03:50 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I love to eat fish, but I don't like to fish.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: hbtechau@iastate.edu (Hunter B Techau)
Subject: Trout in the Bighorns?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:54:56 GMT

I spent a summer in the Bighorn mountains of Wyoming, but didn't have a
whole lot of luck catching trout.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest a
hot spot or two and give me some suggestions on what to use and when to use
it?  I am mostly interested in fly fishing, but won't argue with catching a
big one by any method.
-- 
"THE WORST DAY HUNTING
 IS BETTER THAN THE
 BEST DAY AT SCHOOL!"

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: marusek@rahul.net (Peter M. Marusek)
Subject: Info re Venezuela
Summary: Fishing info needed on Venezuela
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: global
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:42:13 GMT


I would like to get some info and a contact re fishing in Venezuela to contact 
offline, as I am considering moving down there for a while...
thanx
cheers
Peter Marusek
marusek@rahul.net
 
-- 
Peter M. Marusek <marusek@rahul.net>
From: d92ter@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Jan-Erik Eriksson)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What fish
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:33:16 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

> |> i guess i am old fashioned . i believe in going fishing and enticing it to eat my hook. a fish finder doesnt guarantee it will bite. so its more fun to go blind. 
> |> 
> |> Steve C. 
> 
> Have you ever fished "blind" in a 200,000 acre lake?  Until you 
> are familiar with the lake (couple of seasons), you are wasting 
> your time.  Maybe this is fun, I don't know...
> 
> 
>                       -Pat.

If you need a fish finder to find fish in a lake, you should probably not fish there due to lack of fish. :-) I've been fishing for as long as i can remember and I've never needed a fish finder to catch fish. On the other hand i might say that fish isn't very scarce where I live.


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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: What fish finder
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:38:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.175733.7206@rose.com> ed.mccrudden@rose.com (ed mccrudden) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 12-11-92 12:51
>In article <1992Dec11.153635.29800@ncsu.edu> Pat L. Heron writes:
>
>PH>I don't agree, for moderate depths LCD's are fine.
>
>That's true, but they are still toys, filled with ridiculous and useless
>features aimed at inducing gullible fishermen to open their wallets.
>How about that wonderful feature where they put cute little fish icons
>up on the screen?  Some of them even profess to be able to identify the
>species for you.  Yeah, sure.....
>

  How much longer before the same companies selling depth finders come out
with units that will allow you to purchase a small, waterproof video camera
that has a 40 foot or so cable you just hook upto the main unit and lower
down into the water?? Just imagine! Then you can actually see what the 
sonar is really trying to display!! Then again, it might show how flaky
they really are! Of course, this would only work in fairly clear water
in the daylight unless you want to purchase an optional underwater flood
light for more money. And then you would just have to have that wonderful
little portable laptop to decipher and correlate all that video and digital
information on CD-Rom so you wouldn't forget it. What else can Santa bring
you?
  Heck, I like the old-fashioned way. Just go get in the boat, cast 
out your lure/bait, and sit back and relax. Or is that just to simple??
Too hard?? I like to play with hi-tec stuff at work/home too, but when I
go down to that quiet, serene little pond at my hunt club lease, the last
thing I want is a cellular phone ringing or a portable LCD tv, or a 
portable CD player, or an LCD graph/finder trying to tell me that there 
are fish under the boat. Nope. Just give me my baitcaster rod/reel and a
new pack of Berkeley Power worms (preferably 7" Red Shad), or my little
Tiny Torpedo, or my Devil's Horse, or a jointed Rapala, or...
  

Merry Christmas everybody!!!

Keith


PS> I guess I'm just in a weird mood today. 

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: larry@boris.webo.dg.com (Larry Rogers)
Subject: Re: fishing
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:12:26
Organization: Data General, Westboro, Mass.


I like to fish, but I don't like to eat fish.
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The opinions contained herein are my own, and do not reflect the
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Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 14:09:17 TUR
From: <E69386@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject:    magazines

 We are building a club of fun fishing.The club's facilities includes all types
 of fishing.But we have no documentation for the species of fish.
Anyone inform us about fishing magazines in U.S. or other countries?
/TANIN AYABAKAN
Defne sokak no:3/1 06540 A.AYRANCIe-mail:e69386@trmetu.bitnet
ANKARA/TURKEY
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: gbanks@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov (Gregory Banks)
Subject: Sonar (Depthfinders)
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:46:12 GMT

The most important thing about sonar and fishing is to know what you are
using the unit for! Its not for cruising around the lake looking for 
fish, its for helping you find the structure that the fish are on!
Before you even turn on your sonar, you should have already looked at 
your topo map, to get an ideal where the fish are most likely to be. If
you are not a structure fisherman, then you should be, because there
will always be people beating the shorelines with lures, but how many
bass (quality) do they catch? I fish bass tournaments and I am always
in the money. Its not from beating the shorelines all day, its from 
knowing migration routes,breaks,breaklines,roadbeds,etc.... . I am not
trying to preach, but if you learn to fish specific structure, you will
almost always be successfull.

There is a book out there for anybody who wants to learn structure
fishing for any species. Its called "SPOONPLUGGING" by Buck Perry .
If you read this book about 10-20 times ( I always pick up on things
I missed) , you will find that you will start catching more quality
fish where you would of never thought of fishing before you read this
book. It will give you the BASICS of stucture fishing, how to read topo
maps, and why fish relate to different structure, depths, etc... .
It is a excellent book to read and will give you a new lease on catching
more fish. But remember, practice CATCH and RELEASE!

			    MERRY CHRISTMAS
				   ^
                                 
				 ^^^
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: s31759m@taltta.hut.fi (Harri Ilmari Huuskonen)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Fish-finders... My view
Date: 12 Dec 1992 15:01:59 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: taltta.hut.fi


I have been using a Hummingbird 3D. And I am happy with it.

Not because the damned thing tells me where the fish are nor
because I get a paper graph for future speculation.

3D has proven to be capable of telling me the depth I am travelling on.

It also shows fishes. Depending on settings - a few fish and 
every now and then - a bloody thousand fish of different sizes.

The bad thing about this is most of the fish are non-existing.
The amount of fish I get depends the sensitivity -setting.
I set it to very sensitive - billion fish beneath me all the time.
I set it to... ignore all (almost) - every now and then a huge
               fish just crossed my path. Wow!

There might be some stuff floating in the mid-water. On open
waters, probable cause of fish-alarm could be a thermocline.
Lot's of things the sonar detects but few of these real things.

As stated before - along this discussion - Do acknowledge that
the depth is probably the most important information you get
out of your $100-$5000 sonar. The accuracy you get with your $
should be the #1 criteria. I, f.e. have used 75% of the time
the 3D's 2D screen because I need to know the depth when
speeding on unknown depths. Don't want to hit any nasty rocks.
This is because 3D's 2D screen has much better contrast
when monitored only by occasional glimpses.

I am not telling you one couldn't see a fish on the screen.
Our best Walleye*-season (July) I spend pretty much just
fishing and this year I recall at least 3 certain fish-
detections by my 3D. In this case the 3D capabilities
proved to be good while first I found the fish lying in some
1-2 feet deep holes and later; when they started to be hungry -
raising up to the average bottom level. The 3 fish vere very
clear on screen and I got 1 of these... the 2 others knew better :-)
To the non-believers I tell that I went over these spots
some 20-30 times (during the early hours) and could actually
see the exact position from my screen better than by
the visual approach.
(*) A relative of Walley - to be exact. Sizes 1-3 pounds average
    but can grow up to 20... even 30 pounds...  20pounder _rare_

Overall, fish-finder is something yo have big help from. Firstly
by being able to locate you on the map. Secondly, by finding
a probable place the fish could be waiting for you.

Third reason is that when you have the fish-finder to watch,
even the lazy hours flow by. You always have something that
changes and something to speculate on!
*  Harri Huuskonen   Email:  hhuuskon@otax.tky.hut.fi                  *
*  A member of POKA (Finnish Univ. of Technology Angling Association)  *
*     ...111 days of fishing during 1992 and still counting...         *
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: What fish finder
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:23:52 GMT

In article <Bz495H.EJE@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow) writes:
|> Lots of good stuff deleted..... I agree with all but this comment:
|> 
|> >RMS power is an indication of the power used for the sonar pulse 
|> >AND to run the internal electronics of the device, it tells you 
|> >how much the unit will drain your battery.  Peak power is a better 
|> >indication of the amount of accoustical energy that gets put in the water 

Allan, thanks for the refresher course in rudimentary arithmatic. 
The specifications for sonars describe power consumption by the 
device, NOT power into a matched load such as in audio amplifiers. 
The sonar transmits a FIXED pulse width FIXED modulation frequency 
FIXED pulse rate signal into the water. (using a wider pulse would 
increase the ambiguity in determining depth because time-in-flight 
is used to determine depth, so pulse width is not changed).  To put 
more power into the water, AMPLITUDE is increased.  The actual width
of the pulse is quite narrow 
(narrower in time than required for the sound wave to 
travel 1/2 the minimum distance that can be discriminated by the unit).

The bottom line (me pun?) is that, since the unit's internal electronics
can only consume an inifinitesimal quantity of energy during the short 
time that the transduces is transmitting.  Thus 
PEAK POWER IS AN EXCELLENT INDICATION OF THE AMOUNT OF 
ACCOUSTICAL ENERGY A UNIT CAN PRODUCE.  In fact, it is the only 
measure that the consumr has. Implicit in this reasoning is 
the assumption that all unit's efficiencies are similar.


|> You could have very high peak output, but a very low duty cycle.
|> Likewise a high duty cycle (lots of pulses that were low power.)

nope,

|> I disagree that RMS power includes or measures the "electrical
|> overhead". 

then you are ignorant of sonar specifications, unlike home audio 
equipment, output power is not specified.

|>The frequency also has something to do with it, balancing
|> reduced attenuation VS higher resolution. (Shorter wavelengths from
|>higher frequencies allow higher resolution.)

and this statement proves it, the modulation frequency is fixed.


			-Pat.
		    

Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Review: Brawler Waders
Originator: funky@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:54:30 GMT


Thought I'd do a quick review of my new chest waders.  

After owning a pair of rubber chest waders for a year, and having them crack
everytime I took them out recently, I decided to get a new pair.  Looking
through the catalogs I decided on bass pro shops Brawler Waders.  They come 
with a 5 year warranty.  Made from 500 denier cordura nylon.  They are $109
for the chest waders and $89 <?> for the hippers.  Taking them out of the
box I noted that they seemed awfully noisy, but once they are wet they
aren't noisy anymore.  All in all I like them and recommend them to anybody
who is looking for waders with the boot built in.  The boot is also very warm.

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Re: Fish-finders... My view
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:48:30 GMT

In article <56420006@hpscit.sc.hp.com> spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes) writes:

[in the effort of saving bandwith, much deleted]

>
>I get to go fishing VERY few times a year. To those who benefit from my
>buying a license and stamps for my limited time using them, you're
>welcome! :-) No way can I 'learn' a lake or fishing area like those fisher-

  Im sure everyone thanks you  |-)

>
>So, besides spending LOTS more time out fishing, (I have the wife almost
>convinced this is needed to bring home a couple of fish :-) ) cutting
>off the water flow to the farmers and Los Angeles, building my own
>pond in the 20' by 80' backyard, watching more fishing shows, reading
>more "GREAT FISHING" reports, and spending less time writing posts to the net,
>any suggestions (funny, serious, flammable) as to the best way to improve
>time available vs fish caught that are better than trying a pinger toy?
>Keep in mind what driving conditions can be like CA. The further you
>drive from the maddening masses, the more fishing time you lose.
>
>Maybe I'm getting (even more) lazy?
>
>Bill
>wb6rzg
>

  Buy an above ground pool, like a Doughboy, stock it with fish, and fish
in your backyard.  You should be able to increase your fishing days per
year to atleast 50, maybe even 100.  It'll only take you 30 seconds to get
to your favorite fishing spot.

|-)

As always,



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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: eng10445@nusunix1.nus.sg (TANG POH SANG)
Subject: L.A. Bay, Baja
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:20:46 GMT

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: ed.mccrudden@rose.com (ed mccrudden)
Subject: Ping! Ping!
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:43:33 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-11-92 12:51
In article <56420004@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Bill Spikes writes:

BS>If they won't bite my hook, I'm gonna stun 'em with sonar! PING!!, PING!!

You need to borrow some of my lures.  When I put 'em down there, the fish
die laughing and float to the surface.

-Ed

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What fish
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.181746.6050@shearson.com>, scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
|> i guess i am old fashioned . i believe in going fishing and enticing it to eat my hook. a fish finder doesnt guarantee it will bite. so its more fun to go blind. 
|> 
|> Steve C. 

Have you ever fished "blind" in a 200,000 acre lake?  Until you 
are familiar with the lake (couple of seasons), you are wasting 
your time.  Maybe this is fun, I don't know...


			-Pat.


From: spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:15:05 GMT
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What fish finder do you use?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA