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From: shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Srihari Shoroff)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:28:31 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Oct2.161240.18810@weyrich.UUCP> orville@weyrich.UUCP (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:
>In article <1afjm1INNkmd@overload.lbl.gov> prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.151501.9522@informix.com> cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>
>If  the goal is to eliminate trade deficits, then  a sliding-scale import
>tax  is the best  tool, since it can be implemented unilatterally  and doesn't
>depend on  our converting the Japanese [and other] value systems to  be the
>same as our own.
>
>[..]
>
>orville

I'm not very conversant with international commerce, but isnt this *adjustment* 
automatically accomplished if the currencies are freely traded, like most western 
currencies are? The currency of the country having a surplus should become stronger
than the one running a deficit, thus evening out things dynamically. Anyone care
to give me an economics lesson? Are there factors that dont permit this adjustment
because of aberrations to the ideal model?

Srihari

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 02:05:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.190916.12079@rtsg.mot.com> sorbrrse@rtsg.mot.com (Russell E. Sorber) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.135553.10915@weyrich.UUCP> uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville writes:
>>
>>What is different between a disgruntled employee walking out the door with
>>valuable training, experience, and expertise and a union strike?
>>
>
>Several orders of magnitude.  
>(1000 employees >> 1).  In the workplace and elsewhere people acting 
>together can often accomplish worthy goals not attainable 
>by individuals.

And also self-serving, unworthy goals.

>>(stuff deleted)
>
>>
>>So, to turn your question around, what do union workers have to negotiate 
>>with, in the long run? Doesn't their short-term success mean failure in the
>>long-term?
>
>Not at all!
>Unions are only a failure if you ignore more than 100 
>years of American history. Hows that for long term?

How is the spectacular growth [Ha!] in the auto and textile industries in the
face of "inferior" foreign workers a failure? [Ha!]

>Ever hear of an 8 hour day?  

	Yes. My wife generally turns down jobs that only have an 8-hour
	shift -- she makes more per hour [counting commute time] working
	3*12 hour shifts than 5*8 hour shifts.

>Workplace Safety rules? 

	I don't think that strikes caused the creation of OSHA. While 
	Union members may have expressed concern to their elected officials,  
	they did not have to be Union members that were willing to strike
	to voice their concern.

>Child Labor laws?

	And the laws that protect farm-women from sewing women's garments
	for sale in their own homes? And the laws that prevent local workers
	in places like Indian reservations and LA slums from being paid 
	lower "training" wages for construction projects in their areas?

	Most of these laws that Unions support primarily benefit the UNION
	worker by eliminating competition. If everyone were Union workers,
	Union strikes would only fuel inflation. Since everyone is not now,
	and has never been unionized, Union strikes attempt to take by force
	from the non-unionized people jobs and extract higher prices for 
	union-made goods.

orville

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From: baylor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Baylor)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:51:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>>2) Austin, Texas - Just a visit, but it seemed like a nice place. Near San
>>Antonio and the Pedernales mountains. Cosmopolitan city of about 500,000
>>people. State Capital and flagship campus of the University of Texas system.
>>Som traffic problems.  
>
>I had one friend who went there to work for IBM and whereas she said the
>college did improve the area, the older people were a problem for her.
>She said, they were kind of racist and she got tired of the men calling
>her "Girl".  She moved.

	Most people I know (90% being in there late 20s) love Austin.
They often overlook (or don't blame the city) for the things i care
very little for here - the incredibly high rape rate. Every friend I have
has been raped IN Austin (well, most of them were female). 60% frat/date/
coop people rape, 40% strangers (especially east of the freeway, but anyone
here with adecent income quickly moves out of that area).
	That, and the very high rates of other crimes (my car got broken
into 3 times in one year, but in a bad neighborhood, which is most of Austin,
now i have very few problems) and the world's Worst Police force (very arrogant,
they accused my wife of all sorts of things, like faking being mugged - she
was mugged in the good part of Austin at 10am in front of several 
wittnesses) - actually, I can't begin to say how bad the police are about
being dicky to victims, pulling people over, faking tickets and just plain
rudeness, and being from Houston and spending considerable time in Dallas,
both rated in the top ten bad abusive police forces nationwide, i think
the police here and crime here is MUCH worse - of course in houston we
had neighborhoods that were bad and ones that were good - they pretty
well mix in Austin.
	Add bad economic policies, high cost, and job problems from 
an over educated population (worst lawyer salary, MBA salaries $10,000
below texas average, MIS salaries $14,000 below Houston salaries), there
are problems here, and i for one won't miss it.
	But that is very much a minority opinion. It's easy to meet
bohemians if that's your thing (it is mine), and plenty of rollerskaters,
skateboarders, trees and parks, and more than many cities, people who will
use those parks. There's the party-filled 6th street (just don't go
alone - purse snatching is high, plenty of fights, and the rape crisis
center and APD warn of several women being drugged and carried out,
which i have actually seen) and plenty of pubs with exotic beers.
	Most people love this town and would never think of leaving,
and the good, laid back lifestyle compensates for the fairly low 
salaries. I'm just not one of them.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question 
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:07:56 GMT

In article <Bw0z9J.2BE@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
> In article <718662216snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
> > [ ... ] "How do YOU debug a program?" [ ... ]
> 
>     I think the rationale behind your question is quite simple: you have 
>     difficulty producing a clean piece of design/code, [ ... ]

Puh. Yeah, right. Programmers never have to work on buggy code written
by other people. Sure.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: FANTASY JOB...
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.113819.1@wizard.colorado.edu> smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>
>	What would your fantasy job be?  
>
>	Mine would involve several things...
>	Speaking, training, motivational talks,
>	It would include racewalking and travel, 
>	Lots of people, kids, talking, laughing.  
>
>	So, with all those thoughts, what is the job I am seeking?  
>	

Serial killer.


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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
Distribution: usa
Date:  8 Oct 1992 07:18 EST  

In article <1992Oct7.013821.23224@mcs.kent.edu>, pstephan@mcs.kent.edu (Paul H. Stephan) writes...
>Does anyone have any experience on whether or not it is possible to
>bargain for how long until additional vacation time is earned.  Most
>company's that I'm familiar with start with 2 weeks then add 1 week
>after 5 years.  When changing jobs this can be rather discouraging
>if you are close to or beyond the 5 years.
> 
>Any thoughts?
> 
>Thanks,
>Paul H. Stephan (pstephan@mcs.kent.edu)

When I was offered the position from my current employer, one of the points I
bargained for is the ability to take vacation time and sick leave before
accruing it.  It's worked out just fine, although I had to "remind" by boss
about the agreement the first time I wanted to take vacation.  Try to get it in
writing, though.  That would have prevented my problems.  If you do run into
problems with management at a later time, stand your ground.  If they're
honest, they'll stand by what they agreed to.  If not, then you probably don't
want to work for them anyway.

The bottom line is EVERYTHING is negotiable.  Most people either don't know to
try or are too afraid to state their requirements.

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From: daves@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Dave Sharpe - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Job Situation in Utah
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:11:47 GMT
Reply-To: David.Sharpe@UK.Sun.COM


Hi,
   does anyone in Netland know the current employment situation in Utah for
UNIX software support/system admin type jobs particularly Sun systems. Just 
curious as Utah is where I will end up when my American wife goes back to 
University next year. I look in misc.jobs.offered but there never seems to 
be anything. Is the situation there really bad or do the employers there just
advertise the positions locally ? 

thanks in advance for any info...

Dave.
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:27:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA

Greg, your orignal statement was:

>[...] Frankly, if I were to start making demands it would be for LESS work
>or MORE money.  Ideally both, where the amount of work comes as close as
>possible to zero.

I sarcastically replied:

>You sound like the ideal employee. If we were hiring, you'd be just the kind
>of person that I'd be looking for.

Now, in an article, greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:

>[...] Lessee, if I follow your logic you're more likely to hire the person
>who says: "Less money and more work!" [...]
>
>[...] Are they your "ideal" employees?  Frankly, I would much rather have
>a well-balanced and adjusted individual in my employ.  Someone who was
>capable of a rational response.

First of all, ideal employees do not demand, they negotiate. Secondly, the
real issue that I had with your statement was "where the amount of work comes
as close as possible to zero". You are attempting to tell us that it is
*reasonable* for an employee to do everything in his power to make as much
money as possible for as little work as can be gotten away with?

What is wrong with the attitude "I am fairly paid, and for that will do as
much work as required and possible, within reasonable limits"?

I'm just old fashioned, I guess.
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Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:04:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.181620.6617@sequent.com> john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:
>
>Crime is everywhere now.  Even small cities like Portland have their share
>of crime.  If you are fairly smart about where you go and when, you can
>
>If I stopped going everywhere there was a crime, I'd have to stay in my
>house.  I don't think anyone can let fear stop them from living.  If you

You can find crime anywhere there is more than one person (sadly).
Denver currently has a gang problem in certain parts of the city. The
idea is, though, not to live in that part of Denver. As another poster
stated several (5?) cities that he lived in and said he loved it in
each of them. Physical and social surroundings are as individual as
personalities.

>
>>	Alberquerque, New Mexico
>I've never been there, but I've also heard it is nice.

As one friend of mine has put it "Alberquerque is the arm-pit of the
earth." That has always been my impression...deserts are not my style.
But after visiting the city several times over the last year I have
learned to appreciate it. Spent christmas there. The Labs offer an
interesting business atmosphere.

>>	Denver, Colorado
>
>The also have lots of air pollution.  I do know a number of people who live

I guess this is why 1700 Californians are moving to the area a month?
I lived in CA from a very young age till about 2 years ago. I visit the
SF Bay Area  (for business and family) about 6 times a year. Denver has
no air pollution in comparison. A fair number of Labs, good universities,
the mountains, the plains, and a good economy (housing is going crazy!
remember California in the 80's? Well it is happening here now). I have 
found Boulder to be the place that I will spend the rest of my life. Maybe
I will move to other places, but Boulder is now my home and I will come
back. 

>>	Research Park, NC

I have some friends who moved there a few years ago from Cupertino, CA.
They love it there...well actually they moved to Charlotte and must admit
that I have no idea where this is in relationship to Research Park, but
I know it is in the same state! They went through a major social culture
shock when they first went there.

Marke
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: Computer Salary Survey
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:11:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.204554.5154@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) writes:
> Someone asked a while ago about salaries: There is an agency in Boston
> that would send you the "New 1992 Computer Salary Survey" (free, no 
> obligation ...).  [ ... ]
> 
>   Anyway, if anyone is intrested, their address is:
> 	SOURCE EDP
> 	155 Federal Street, Suite 410
> 	Boston, MA 02110
> 	(617) 482-8211
> 	FAX (617) 482-9084
> and just ask for the above survey.

There are Source EDP offices all over the country, I have dealt with
them in Detroit and Denver. Check the phone book for one near you and
save the cost of a long distance call.
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		Evans & Sutherland
From: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Subject: Re: Strengths and Weaknesses (was Re: Advice Please)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Reply-To: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:08:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.181652.12875@mdd.comm.mot.com>, rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com (Doug Rudoff) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct13.144150.6438@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22407LIZ@MSU writes:
|> [Question about what to say for her weaknesses]
|> 
|> This is a common and annoying question one receives while
|> interviewing. The best answers are ones that express a weakness as a
|> strength. For example:
|> 
|> "I get too involved in my work and end up sacrificing my social life."
|> 
|> "I have much experience with small projects but I haven't had a chance
|> to work on big projects like the one your company does."
|> -- 
|> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|> Doug Rudoff          Motorola, Seattle    INTERNET:rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com
|>                                             USENET:uunet!mdisea!rudoff   
|> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

One must also be very careful not to give "canned" answers. The interviewer probably has asked that same question to many many other applicants and can spot
an insincere answer very easily. Make sure you give an answer you feel comfortable
with, and perhaps be able to give an example and also what you are doing to
overcome that "weakness".

Joe Tien
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Question about The Patriot's Network
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:05:50 GMT
Organization: not really
NNTP-Posting-Host: globie.caltech.edu

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this,
but does anyone reading here know anything about
"The Patriot's Network"?
From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:11:55 EST
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <718900562snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk>, tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
>> > What I have found odd is that in the five or six years that I've been
>> > involved in interviews and the 100s of interviews that I've given I've
>> > never gotten a student with a computer science or computing degree to give
>> > me a sensible answer;
>> 
>> And you still haven't gotten the clue that perhaps your expectations are
>> incorrect!
> 
> My expectation is simple in that I expect a cogent and reasoned argument as
> the answer. The (supposedly) better qualified the computer scientist the
> poorer answer I've been given. I suspect that I'm expectating a computer
> science graduate to be have been taught some skills so the failure is with
> college or university that they attended rather than the students
> themselves. 

	So, what is the *one true answer*?
:)

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From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Atlanta, GA Job Fair, 10/19-10/20
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:25:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

This is from the 10/12/92 ComputerWorld (Eastern edition):

Atlanta High Tech Career Fair
October 19 & 20, 1992
Monday 11:30 a.m.-2:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m.-7:30 p.m.
Tuesday 9:00 a.m.-1:00 p.m.

Embassy Suites
Perimeter
1030 Crowne Pointe Parkway
Atlanta, GA

The job fair is sponsored by AGACS in Lilburn, GA, but no telephone number
is given.  The ad indicates that openings will be in the areas of data
processing, software engineering, software sales and marketing,
telecommunications, and health care, and lists about 30 companies that
will be participating.

				Eli Mantel, eli.mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu


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From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:06:21 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.230142.10953@cs.tulane.edu> coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
... blah, blah, blah

>Now I'm 30 and we're moving to California in January.  So that means
>I'll be interviewing again.  This time I'm feeling some pressure.
>U.S. employers look at me and think, "She's running out of time,
>she'll probably get pregnant and since there's no parental leave
>there's a good chance she'll quit."  In Canada the employer may
>lose the employee for 4 to 6 months, but they'll be back.  Here
>employers waste time and money training women who feel obligated to
>quit their jobs so that they can spend at least the first six months
>with their new baby.
>

This is the best argument for parental leave I have seen so far.


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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak)
Subject: Strange Interviewing question
Summary: What is the interviewer _really_ trying to ask?
Keywords: interview,career,preferred job
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:10:44 GMT

Hi all.
	My girlfriend went to an interview recently for a receptionist
position in a (small) printing/publishing firm, and the interviewer
asked her:

   "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"

	The question excluded the job offered, so what was she really
trying to ask?

	Thanks,  Misha.

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