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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:01:00 GMT

In article <19152@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> sddascomb@ucdavis.edu (Steve Dascomb) writes:
>Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
>	Recently I saw that Edelbrock in conjunction with Weber
>have put together a complete fuel injection system for 
>older V-8's complete with electronic controls, sensors, 
>and electric fuel pump.  The system claims to be fully
>controllable (settings for mileage or performance) but cost
>$3000.00 - cheap!  Has anyone heard about this other than
>the ad?  This type of system would be nice if it was affordable.

$3000 is cheap?
Why don't the big-3 make some kind of similar system, since they are still
putting some of these engines on the road.
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: petrov@tfs.com (George Petrov)
Subject: Re: HELP 1962 Falcon
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:51:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.033156.6845@iitmax.iit.edu> petebre@elof.iit.edu (Brent A. Peterson) writes:
>   I do remember a story about a guy who raced shelby mustangs and put a 289
> from a GT350 in a falcon wagon they used as a service car.
>       -Bp

	Wow.  Must have turned the frame into a pretzel.
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From: gene@brain.med.virginia.edu (Gene Lightfoot)
Subject: 65 Mustang engine replacement
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:26:52 GMT


This is my first posting so please be patient with any screwups.

  I recently purchased a 1965 Mustang Convertible that according to theh data
  plate had a 200 six in it coupled to an automatic transmisiion. Presently it
  has a "Ford remanufactured" 170 and a 3 speed manual transmission.
  Are the Ford class six cylinders (144,170,200,250) the same engine blocks
  and will they all interchange.  I have heard that certain years will not.
  I want to put the car back to original specs.  Will any C4 automatic from
  that time period work, are the lengths of the transmissions different, will
  my manual transmission driveshaft work on the auto. Any and all help will be
  greatly appreciated.

  Gene Lightfoot

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From: scottv@rs6405.ecs.rpi.edu (Vaughan K. Scott)
Subject: Re: British cars
Keywords: british
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:43:34 GMT


I heard of a friend of a friend that did it, but one big problem with
these conversions on the TR-7 (and probably TR-8 too) is the weight 
distribution.  My TR-7, with the stock engine (4-banger), no mods, can easily
spin the tyres, with very little effort.  In fact, it sometimes happens when
I least want it (shopping mall parking lots, driving my mum, etc.).  There's 
just no weight in the back!

As for the TR-7 with the NOS smallblock, it sounds pretty awesome to me, 
considering that the TR-7 was designed to use the Rover/Buick V-8 (135 bhp),
as ended up with the 4-cyl Dolomite engine (95 bhp).

Vaughan Scott
scottv@rpi.edu
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From: eric@eeco.cba.ufl.edu (Eric E.C. Olson)
Subject: Re: British cars
Keywords: british
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:21:43 GMT

In article <v#h12=-@rpi.edu> scottv@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Vaughan K. Scott) writes:

>       Are there any British (Jag, MG, A-H, TR) motorheads out there?  I am
>one myself and would like to get a discussion going.

Yeah, good plan.  I saw an ad at the back of this month's Hot Rod for an 
outfit that sells V-6 conversion kits for the Triumph TR-7.  Has anyone done 
this, or even seen it?  What's the availability of HiPo intakes, cams, etc. 
etc. etc. for V-6s?

Also, there was a guy selling a TR7 with 475HP NOS smallblock, tubs, 
narrowed 9" Ford rear, etc. etc. for ~$6K.  Sounds pretty degenerate :-)

Eric Olson
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From: enw2049@summa.tamu.edu (WALKE, ERIK N)
Subject: Re: License plates
Summary: Looking for license plates old, and foreign willing to trade
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: License plates, old foreign
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.155900.27006@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 
880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille) writes...
> 
>My father in law collects license plates, and would like to get some
>old ones, and plates that are foreign (to canada).  He also would be willing
>to trade some of the ones he has also.
> 

       Nelson:  I tried to e-mail you directly at

              880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca 

       but my message could not be delivered to this address.  Please 
       either re-post, or e-mail me at 

              SMTP%"enw2049@venus.tamu.edu"

       My father and I have a medium-sized plate collection and would be
       very happy to trade with your father-in-law.  Thanks!  Erik Walke

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:35:39 EST
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: HELP 1962 Falcon

keithd@versyss.com (Keith Doyle) says:
>
>The Falcon 6 is a 171 ci and I found it pretty weak.  The two speed auto
>transmission is also weak.  Your top end ain't gonna be very exciting.  If it
>was the V-8 model, that's something else.  The Falcon's are not considered
>particularly collectible.

I didn't know that the falcon came with a V8.  Was it the 260?  When I heard
of people swaping in a 289 engine, I assumed it was because they didn't come
with a V8.
From: zrol01@trc.amoco.com (Richard O. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: British cars
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:18:46 GMT
Reply-To: zrol01@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research

Yes. There are MANY brit car fans out here.  Try posting a request to get
on the british cars e-mail list.  To post to this list send e-mail to:
british-cars@hoosier.utah.edu

to request to be added to the list and thereby receive e-mailings, send your
request stating same to:
british-cars-request@hoosier.utah.edu

However, to be safe, send the request to british-cars@hoosier.utah.edu as well.

Hope to 'see' you there...

Rick


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From: steve.hartwell@canrem.com (steve hartwell)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: what is allowed here?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:22:02 GMT
Reply-To: "steve hartwell" <steve.hartwell@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems






 Hello All - and powers that govern:

 I would like to learn what is allowed here in the way of advertising
 anything for sale or trade.

 - Does it have to be one's own possession, or can it be commercial ?

 - Can there be UUENCODED GIF's sent by Email thru here ?

 - If so, would/should there be a size limit on # of messages per GIF?

 - Would there be sufficient interest for Email GIF's ?

 - Or is there sufficient interest in access to downloading GIF's ?

 Many thanks for your responses of enlightenment.

 Please reply, including where you saw this message,

 steve.hartwell@canrem.com  <in Toronto, Ontario, Canada>



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From: hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (Doug Hellmann)
Subject: Re: HELP 1962 Falcon
Keywords: inline 6
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  7 Nov 92 17:59:07 GMT

My advice to you is to be sure that you really like this car, because you will
probably lose money on it when (if) you decide to sell it.  I recently got rid
of a 1962 Falcon and took a loss of about $500.  The "straight six" engine in
the 62's could be a 170 or an anemic 144, which is made a little better with
the three speed manual, but would probably really bite with the automatic.  I
wouldn't even spend 1200 dollars on the convertible model.  The good thing
about this car is that a lot of the parts are readily available since the
Mustang used the parts also, like brake cylinders, etc.  Actually, maybe I
would spend that much on the convertible, I think they're neat little cars,
and they're great on gas,  Just watch out for the little things like taillight
lenses because there are only one or two places that deal with Falcon parts
mailorder and they are VERY expensive.One last thing, if it's a 4-door,
definitely expect a resale problem.  Now I'm thinking about that convertible.
If anyone knows of one, how about let me know!!!  I don't always have access
to this network, so if you have any more questions (I know the Falcon inside
and out) contact me at hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (I use my boyfriends account
to access the news there).

 - Samantha Bonk
From: cn09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Kalevi Nuuja)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: 72 Scamp.
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:08:14 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Whats the low down on the 72 Scamp?  Its related to the Dodge swinger, right?
   I see one with 44K miles, 6cyl,auto,one owner   for sale and maybe I'm
interested.  The owner hasn't set a price, and I don't know what to offer yet.
Any scamp knowledge welcome.

thanks,

chris

(p.s.  I didn't buy the Merc. Montclair because I couldn't get classic car
 insurance.  I don't have any insurance right now, so I have to get assigned
 by the state, and there's no provision for a first time car owner wanting
  classic car insurance.  I'd live with not being insured for the collectable
value of the car if its under 3K).
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: British cars
Keywords: british
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:37:23 GMT


>It about bankrupted me - where did I go wrong?
>
>Regards, Adrian

Two words come to mind in answer to your question:

Plymouth and slant-six.

I drove a Lebaron with a slant-six and I couldn't stand it.  MPG
was terrible and it had no power to move that four door boat. 
Oh well, live and learn.

Mike



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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: 880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille)
Subject: License plates
Summary: Looking for license plates old, and foreign willing to trade
Keywords: License plates, old foreign
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:59:00 GMT


My father in law collects license plates, and would like to get some
old ones, and plates that are foreign (to canada).  He also would be willing
to trade some of the ones he has also.

Thanks
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:28:35 EST
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: British cars

eric@eeco.cba.ufl.edu (Eric E.C. Olson) says:
>
>I saw an ad at the back of this month's Hot Rod for an outfit that sells V-6
>conversion kits for the Triumph TR-7.  Has anyone done this, or even seen it?
>What's the availability of HiPo intakes, cams, etc. etc. etc. for V-6s?

Which V6?
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Gary Young)
Subject: British Cars
Keywords: Keen to join British Car mail
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:52:15 GMT

I'am another British car enthusiast being an owner of my 8th
MG.  I started off in 1964 with a MGTF 1500 which won that years
Queensland Concores events. (Regret ever selling it).

Moved up to an MGA 1600, regarded as the stylist car of the time,
I'deal for girls.
Later into MGB Roadster (3 off), then to a MGBGT Mk1. Back to a
Mk1 Roadster and now to the last of the MGBGT's, 1979 series.
I'am the second owner from new with it. So its a fully imported
one from England.

My wife has a series 3 Jag. 4.2 (heavy on fuel) but a great touring
car. She gets sick in MG's.

My son has just turned 17yrs. of age and got his licence, so we went shopping
and finished up with an immaculate, very original Morris Cooper S for him.
Its a great fun car.

As you can see we are a very British-car family, even though we are
all born and breed Australians, (don't hold that against us.)

Also a member of the MG Car Club of Queensland.

Hope to hear from other enthusiasts.

Great motoring

Gary Young
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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Plymouth Volares (was Re: British cars)
Keywords: british
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:04:59 GMT

In article <899@dsbc.icl.co.uk> asj@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Adrian Jefferies) writes:
>cash down for a '80 (I think) Plymouth Volare. Now, from where I'm
>sitting I can here you US guys laughing ... However, my rationale went
>something like this: They had been in production for years, it seemed (!)
>very solid, any auto mechanic would be familair with its innards,
>it had the famed Chrysler (?) slant-six motor that powered the
>long lived Plymouth Dusters till their wheels fell off. It had low
>mileage(?), body was excellent, interior was clean, 
>looked good on a lift, etc. It was a dog! I wont bore you with the
>
>It about bankrupted me - where did I go wrong?
>
I suppose it would be 20-20 hindsight to say ya should've bought a Valiant,
Duster, or Dart. Virtually indestructible vehicles. Unfortunately, their
very similar successor pales by comparison.

Basically, there was nothing wrong with your logic, other than assuming
past performance was indicator of future performance. If it makes you feel
any better, I know several people who owned pre-Volare Mopars and loved 
them. Then they traded them, in good faith, for a Volare or Aspen, and 
found out they were stuck with a piece of <expletive deleted>. The main
problem was the dark days of quality control in the mid to late '70s
among American cars, plus the obvious problems that potential bankrupcy
caused at Chrysler. In other words, it should have been a good car, but
 
Ted Brooks
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From: scottv@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Vaughan K. Scott)
Subject: old tires, etc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:16:11 GMT

	I have a '76 TR-7 that I'm in the middle of restoring, and I've just
gotten around to the wheels.  My problem is this:  The front tires, which
need to be replaced, are so old that I'm having trouble getting them off
the rims.  I have access to a tire mounting machine at the Student Auto Shop
here at RPI, but it consistently stalls halfway around the rim.  I then tried
to cut them off, but I just can't cut through the steel belt under the
non-existent tread.  The rims will also have to be beaded and repainted before
I put new tires on.  Any suggestions?

	Two other questions.  I have a diesel Rabbit I would like to check
the compression on, but neither I nor the shop have a diesel compression
gauge.  In the Chilton's manual, it mentions using a gas engine gauge with
some sort of pressure reducer to reduce the compression to a level the gauge
can deal with (the compression for the diesel is around 400 psi).  Anyone
know what kind of device they are talking about?  Secondly, I have heard that
a particular SAAB engine is nearly identical to the TR-7 engine, but it can
be had with a blower (and 40 more horses).  Which engine is this, and what 
SAABs did it come in?

Thanks,
Vaughan Scott
scottv@rpi.edu

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: rwieler@ic17.umeeng (wieler)
Subject: Re: British cars
Reply-To: rwieler@ic17.umeeng
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:10:35 GMT

Try sending a request to join the e-mail british car group 
Their email is:
		british-cars-request@autox.team.net

good luck
rich
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: MG Marque lives again!!!
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:48:46 GMT

I have a love/hate reaction to the MG. While they have style to burn, and 
are the only afordable roadster that let you pretend you are really behind the
stick of a Huricane, the engine is more sensitive to moisture than a 
barometer and the manufacturer of the electrical system deserved the 
title "The Prince of Darkness". All this being said, I have always wondered
why the Car was not reborn using todays "know-how". I don't think many would
argue that the only reason people are buying the new Mazda coupe is because
they can't get a new MG. Well, the good people at Rover have not been asleep.

They are introducing the MGB RV8. Its a limited-edition production car with
a 3.9 litre engine (similar in design to the range rover). It retails for 
26,500 pound sterling. And for those who like to have bugs impact their
teeth at mach 1 there is the 4.3 litre TVR Griffith. 

Rover is saying that there are no plans to take the line any farther...but in
reality they are currently designing a low cost version in the tradition of
MG. Word is that it will be 1.6 litre turbo-charged mid-engined two seater, 
and retail for around 15,000. 

I figure that if I keep using condoms and hord my pennies I'll be one of the
first in line for the expected release in 1.5-2 years.

David.  
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:43:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.071001.22666@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
"A lot is said about "tuning" an older vehicle to reduce its emissions.
"But unless I'm mistaken, the only tuning that can be done on a carb is
"the idle mixture.  If so, how can a carb be tuned for off idle mixtures?

that's true for on-the-car tuning, but --
on a holley 4bbl, you can tune:
the main jets
the secondary jets (yes, even on carbs that didn't come with secondary jets)
the accelerator pump cam
the accelerator squirters
the secondary vacuum diaphragm spring
the power valves

...some assembly required ;^>

they're not unique in this ability, either.

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From: drew@ladymacb.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:22:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.071001.22666@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>Given that to cruise at x MPH you need y Horsepower, is it true that
>an engine of smaller displacement can produce y horespower more
>economically than an engine of larger displacement? (I'd like to
>keep the comparison limited to 196x circa engines and technology, no
>fuel injection or multi-valved cylinders).

In highschool, it seemed that friends with TA's and Cameros with 
smaller engines got better mileage than friends with larger 
engines.  These guys would drive by the family church and lay a fifty foot 
strip of posi patties on the pavement so they'd have something to brag 
about on Sunday, so that might not be saying too much.


>A lot is said about "tuning" an older vehicle to reduce its emissions.
>But unless I'm mistaken, the only tuning that can be done on a carb is
>the idle mixture.  If so, how can a carb be tuned for off idle mixtures?
>I would think (or hope :) that most of the time, the car is not idling,
>but is actually in motion.

You can rejet carbs.  Generally, this is very straight forward 
with the main jets (ie, you can change them with a screw driver),
although the secondary jets on some carbs may be fixed.

>If you "enhance" your engine by going from a 2-barrel carb to a 4,6,or
>8 barrel carb, you generally seem to decrease fuel economy.  Is this
>because a 2 barrel carb makes the engine run leaner than a 4 or 8
>barrel carb?

You don't have a decrease in fuel economy if you use the right
carb.  In fact, you could even see an increase in economy.

Most four barells generally use a progressive linkage. The 
primaries, used for "normal" driving, are tuned for economy.  
If you need extra power, the secondaries kick in.  On the otherhand,
most American two barells don't, so the same metering system tries 
to get it right for all conditions from just off idle to WOT.

Bad mileage happens when people throw a Holly 850 Double Pumper on 
a small block.

>Does the ideal carb exist?  (ie a carb that will run an engine at
>what ever stochiometric ratio the designer wants, over a given range
>of rpm and load)?

Fuel injection, set up with an airflow sensor of some sort, 
oxygen sensor in the exhaust for feed back, and computer controlling 
the amount of fuel based on airflow, load, etc....

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