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From: jackg@bears.ucsb.edu (Jack Greenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Period Post: rec.windsurfing ftp site
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:53:05 GMT
Reply-To: jackg@ece.ucsb.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: /usr4/research/jackg/.organization


An FTP archive for rec.windsurfing exists on bears.ece.ucsb.edu
(128.111.56.56) in the directory /pub/rec.windsurfing. The contents
include the following:

Gorge-info    Common questions about sailing the Columbia River Gorge.
              Compiled by Wilton Hart (wiltonh@windsurf.WR.tek.com)

Corpus-Christi-info 
              More useful info from Wilton about sailing and vacationing 
              in the Corpus Christi TX area. 

SF-info       Windsurfing shops and launch sites in the San Francisco
              Bay area. Compiled by  Kirk Lindstrom (kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com)

wind-numbers  Phone numbers for various wind reporting services
              throughout the nation compiled from net postings. Please
              contribute additions or deletions.

net-weather   A FAQ on obtaining weather data over the Internet.
              Compiled by yours truly, Jack Greenbaum (jackg@ece.ucsb.edu)

pictures      Subdirectory containing several windsurfing bitmaps in gif
              and jpeg formats (crissy.gif is still my favorite).

threads	      Subdirectory containing interesting threads of
    	      discussion. If you ask a question and get many replies
    	      then most likely it was a good question that others will
    	      want an answer to in the future. Send your digest to
    	      windsurf@bears.ece.ucsb.edu.

	      Current threads avaiable :
		contacts		Contact lens experiences
		hatteras		Cape Hatteras sailing info
		upwind			Upwind techniques for shortboards
		learning-to-shortboard	One teacher's techniques

Please send *anything* you feel should be added to this archive to
either windsurf@bears.ece.ucsb.edu or jackg@ece.ucsb.edu. 

I will try to handle e-mail requests from those without ftp access, as
long as the volume is not too high.

Think Wind!

Personal Note: I passed my PhD screening exam. Therefore we can all
expect the bears ftp site to be maintained for another couple years.
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From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge Season Not Over Yet
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:31:50 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.

jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:


>I heard that world cup sailors are now using short elliptical pointer fins
>for downwind slalom racing. Something like that might work for Gorge
>conditions.

	While sailing at Swell City with Cort, he brought out a stock Seatrend
	90 CS and handed me what he jokingly called a 'knife'. It was a small
	(11in) blade fin that he was going to try on the 90 in 4.5-5.0
	conditions. I was out on my Seatrend 80 that day, and was interested to
	see how fast a 90 and that blade would go. 

	As Cort and I were walking into the water (past the peanut gallery) he
	was getting all sort of comments on his small size of his 'toy'.  ;-)

	I got in the water first, and blasted off to windward in expectation of
	Cort blowing me away, I got to the other side of the river, and hung
	out  and waited for Cort (I also *realy* tweaked my right foot on a
	massive jump jybe, so I just sat in the water and massagged my foot).

	Cort sailed on over, jybed and headed upwind further. For the size of
	fin he had, he was realy going upwind at a good clip.  But it was the
	downwind run that was hysterical! He came by like the space shuttle
	going for orbit...that 90 was a little to big, but with the small area
	on that foil, it held in the water quite well. He was easily the
	fastest out there, severely walking on guys with Roberts and other nice
	epoxy slalom hulls.

	I'm still waiting for my small blade, and I'll hopefully have a report
	for y'all when I test it out down in Florida in January. (I just have
	to have the discipline to sail my 90 when it's wavesailing weather!)

	Pray for Spray!


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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@sailor.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Weather patterns
Reply-To: ngs@bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:15:32 GMT

Is it just my imagination, or is this fall's weather pattern
unusual? I have watched a half dozen big low-pressure centers
form over the middle of the US, and had big dreams of shredding
on the trailing cold fronts as these systems crossed the Atlantic
Seaboard. Instead, every one of these systems has drifted north
over the Great Lakes and gone to Canada.

I seem to remember many falls where we would get 3 lows ripping across
upstate NY in a single week. Last fall, my storm door was 
ripped off on a particularly good day, sand dunes were forming at Sandy
Hook, and all the leaves in my yard were from trees in the next town.
This year, the leaves have fallen straight to the ground and I am
an unhappy camper.

Ned

ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Thanksgiving on Cape Hattaras.
From: karol+@pitt.edu (Karol W. Gieszczykiewicz)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:44:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.windsurfing
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Keywords: Please???
Summary: Does anyone know the conditions on the Outter Banks??


Hi
Please, if anyone lives on the outer banks, or close by, and knows 
what the conditions are like in late November, tell me.
I have posted 2 messages and was totally dissed. I would really apreciate
it if anyone would tell me, as I am going there nex week with a couple 
of friends. In Fact, I will buy you a beer on Hattaras if you tell me....


thanks, and again I appeal to your windsurfing instinct to be kind and 
tell me.
Karol gieszczykiewicz

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_______________________karol@unix.cis.pitt.edu_________________________________
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From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Thighs burning
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:06:22 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili) writes:


>This happened several times in high wind and chop conditions when 
>I was trying to point upwind.  My front thigh was always the one 
>which started burning.  

>Do any of you guys get this problem?  Is there a remedy for it?

Sail more.

>What could be the problem: am I putting too much weight on my 
>front leg?

See above. :-)
--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: MORE FOR SALE! (new gear)
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:14:40 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.


	Hey, after clearing out some of that gear from my garage, I've found
	some other stuff that I thought I would hold on to, but I've still got
	bills to pay, so it's gotta go.

	9'0" 1991 Seatrend (hull only) DEMO ................ $500
	8'8" 1991 Seatrend (hull only) ..................... $500

	****DEALS OF THE WEEK****

	10m Neil Pryde 1989 World Cup Race (monofilm) and
	    it comes with an 18ft SERFIAC mast! But wait, theres 
	    more! This sail has Robichaud battens! And its in
	    mint conditon! Used a dozen times................$300

	9.0m 1992 SIMMER RACE **BRAND NEW** I never got a chance
	    to use this gem, it's still in the box!..........$300

	How would you like a BRAND NEW 1992 Seatrend 9'2"? Well, Ive
	got one that I never used because I got it while I was out west
	sailing at the Gorge. I had a great month out west while my board sat
	back here in the MidWest! This board still has the Warantee for you
	to fill out.  .......................................$600

	buyer pays shiping, and I will be happy to supply more information to
	those who are truely interested. I'm not a shop owner, nor am I
	affiliated with a shop. This gear is tearm rider extras and I'm getting
	rid of it even though I havnt used much of it.          

	
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: mjarriel@atria.srg (Michael Jarriel x4751)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving on Cape Hattaras.
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:48:25 GMT
Keywords: Please???

In article <9403@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> karol+@pitt.edu (Karol W. Gieszczykiewicz) writes:
>
>Hi
>Please, if anyone lives on the outer banks, or close by, and knows 
>what the conditions are like in late November, tell me.
>I have posted 2 messages and was totally dissed. I would really apreciate
>it if anyone would tell me, as I am going there nex week with a couple 
>of friends. In Fact, I will buy you a beer on Hattaras if you tell me....


The outer banks in late November has wide
weather fluctuations...

Air temp can be anywhere from 40-72 degrees.

Water temp in the sound can be 50-65 but probably
around 60.  Ocean temp will probably be 55-60
on the north side and 60-65 on the south side of
cape point.  

Wind can be anywhere from 5-50.  In a week in late 
November you are likely to experience all of
these conditions.

The cycle is High off the coast, SW wind warm air
for a day or two then bang cold front, NW COLD air
a day or two then NE wind a day or two.  You may
get a day or two of very light wind if a high settles
in directly over the outer banks.

Enjoy,

-Mike-
--
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ARINC Research Inc                   mjarriel%srg@uunet.uu.net
SRG, Mail Stop 5-230                 uunet!srg!mjarriel
2551 Riva Road, Annapolis, MD 21401  410-266-4751
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: test
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:39:50 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.


	 Please excuse this posting, just a test of our wonderfull news
	 software!

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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Re: Gorge Season Not Over Yet
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.095229.22319@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
[Some lines deleted...]
|> 
|> I heard that world cup sailors are now using short elliptical pointer fins
|> for downwind slalom racing. Something like that might work for Gorge
|> conditions.
|> 
|> You could also try to find an extremely short blade, but I don't think there
|> would be much to gain if you compare it to the elliptical pointers.
|> 
|> I now have two Rainbow blades, a V2 and V3. Both are quit large, so I don't
|> think they would work at the Gorge. The V3 seems a bit easier to jibe, but
|> otherwise I haven't noticed any really big differences. The V2 might be just
|> a bit more resistant to spin out. Supposedly, the V3 works better with
|> smaller sails (5.0/5.5 and so) and the V2 with larger sails (6.0).
|> 
|> -- 
|>   Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
|>  jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software

Here's the size of the fins I used this season, in case someone would like
to know. If not, don't read it!

Downwind (and strong wind) slalom: 26cm and 28.5cm blades.
Ordinary slalom: 31cm and 34cm blades.
Cource-slalom: 35 cm and 38 cm blades (+ a 41 cm blade, next season).

(N-555) Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: wxmap script for UNIX/X11
Reply-To: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: usa 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:30:26 GMT

I found the following shell script on another news group.
I unpacked it on my Sun IPC using X11. It works. I had no trouble
finding and displaying the latest surface map. This includes 
the latest frontal positions, wind speeds, radar echoes, 
clouds, and isobars. The syntax is:

Usage: wxmap [ -nd -nr -d -s -r -v -u # ]
-d for debugging
-s For the Surface Anaylsis map
-r for the Infra Red Light Map
-v for Visible Light Map
-u # for the Upper Air maps at a # * 100 hPa itervals
(# = 2,3,5,7,8 for 200hPa, 300hPa, 500hPa, 700hPa, 800hPa respectively)
 

By the way, this is not the Bellcore wxmap version which provides
customization, zooming, and panning, but it should be enough
to tell you whether or not to blow off work and head for the water.
I don't believe you need a liscence to access the weather GIFs.

Now if I could only figure out why it has been windy in the Midwest
all Fall while we have been getting diddly here in NJ. The weather
seems to be moving from south-to-north rather than the normal
west-to-east progression.

Ned    ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com

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From walter!att-out!rutgers!usc!wupost!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel!rodmur Mon Nov  9 07:49:06 1992
Article: 6805 of alt.sources
From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Thighs burning
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 07:27:04 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Hi folks!  I read a few articles about excercises, etc. and had a 
question of my own.

This past summer, while windsufing on relatively long reaches,
my thighs really started burning to the point that I could not
hold on anymore and crashed.

This happened several times in high wind and chop conditions when 
I was trying to point upwind.  My front thigh was always the one 
which started burning.  

Do any of you guys get this problem?  Is there a remedy for it?
What could be the problem: am I putting too much weight on my 
front leg?

-Payman
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: u9250301@cc.uow.edu.au (Michael James Nelson)
Subject: Re: Tuning sails
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:45:06 GMT

srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes:

>Okay, so I have this new Ultra Profile 3.6 Slalom Lite sail
>and I'm reading through the rigging directions and the documentation
>describes outhaul and downhaul tension in terms of 1/4, 2/4, 3/4
>and 4/4.  Maximum tension is listed as 4/4 and Minimum as 1/4.
>I have NEVER seen rigging tension referred to in this manner.
>Everything I've read in Windsurfing magazine, in books and on the
>net usually says something like more downhaul, give it more
>downhaul.

>I can sort of guess how the outhaul tension would be measured this
>way, since you can release the outhaul tension on a modern sail to
>get a proper shape, but how do you get 3/4 downhaul tension?

>It also listed in the rigging procedure to tighten everything so
>that the sail is flat, insert all the battens and tighten them,
>then it says: "After battens are properly installed, lessen
>batten tension to the appropriate draft for normal wind (sail
>should almost touch boom)".  This is a typographical error and
>they mean outhaul tension right???  Am I missing something here?

>---

>Scott R. Nelson			srnelson@eng.sun.com
>Sun Microsystems

>F2 Comet (10'6"), 2 big O'Brien boards and 8 assorted sails.

u were right, it was the outhaul tension.
with most modern sails, all the tension on the sail is the downhaul.
u never want to OVER outhaul a sail! it is BAD
1/4 downhaul sounds like tensioning until all wrinkles in the sail are 
dissapearing, 4/4 downhaul sounds like tensioning until the head of the sail 
goes floppy (or something breaks, JOKE) 
When i rig a sail, ill applie light downhaul tension first
put the boom on and outhaul a lot (close to where the clew will end up
Then apply the downhaul tension
going back to the clew, ill release the outhaul, if i have downhauled 
the sail, there should be now bugger all tension on the clew!
ill then outhaul the sail about a inch on a RAF sail (maybe more) 
but examine the leach and head and see if its tight, or is laying open 
with some force in it
if its tight, ease of the outhaul
tighten the battens and go and shred!
all this u probably know and im acting like a know it all,
but who cares im going for a sail!

Michael Nelson KA12
From: cs77faf@uape-15.ucsd.edu (Serge Rezzonico)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Southern California
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:52:18 GMT
Organization: Univsersity of California, San Diego


Keywords: 

Is anybody windsurfing in Southern California ?

Do you have some info/telephone numbers/spots for the fall/winter seasons?

How are spots like Carillo Beach (Malibu)? I sailed there  in September,
it was very good (15-25 knots NW, swell).

Where should I sail with Santa Ana conditions ?

Here in San Diego we can only hope for some NW in the Tourmaline surfing park,
Mission Bay is usually well under 15 knots...

How about Mexico, 2 weeks ago I drove to K-39: fully powered on a 6.1, a great
day except ... a nice guy tried to steal my car (window smashed and everything).
Any info about San Felipe (sea of Cortez)? I saw very good wind in Ensenada, too.


 Thanks.
					Serge

(Bic Electric Rock, Bic 6.1 slalom, NP 4.5 twin-cam, NP 3.0 hurricane)
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Winter Despair!!!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:12:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <3938@wyse.wyse.com>, jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
|> Well, just as I was beginning to think the season was coming to an end, I
|> realize It's OVER!.
|> 
|> It is now weeks since I went sailing, and the chances of wind seem pretty slim.
|> ...
|> Yikes, I don't think I can make it....... I see little windsurfers crwaling
|> up the walls!

OK, here is a proposal: we get a bunch of Bay Area addicts together
and we rent a helicopter for a couple of hours.  We go in the water,
and ask the pilot to hover close to the group, and always slightly
behind and to the side of the last person.  This way those who get
too far ahead will slow down, and nobody will remain behind (unless
they fall---but hey, we don't do no falls, don't we not?).

The person ahead of everybody decides when to jibe, the others follow.
Can you picture it?

I wish helicopters weren't so expensive to rent.  They make good,
steady wind.

By the way, what's a good new video to rent?  Something with a bit of
a plot, possibly---the one I have seen so far are fun but are too much
like cheap porno flicks, if you know what I mean.  --Luigi
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pwalling@novell.com (Peter Walling)
Subject: Re: Going Faster 
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:53:02 GMT



> P.S. Does anyone have a copy of the thread on CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME (sp?)
>      that ran about two or three months ago.  I didn't think I
>      needed it back then ;)

I have been provided with a copy of this thread.
Thanks Ed :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Walling (pwalling@novell.com)
Novell, Toronto Development Centre
Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: robg@Cadence.COM (Rob Garneau)
Subject: Windsurfing in Martenique
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:27:07 GMT

Anyone have any information on windsurfing in Martenique? I'll be heading
to the Bucaneers Creek Club Med from 11/19 - 12/2. How are the winds?
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Thighs burning
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:11:16 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

> This past summer, while windsufing on relatively long reaches,
> my thighs really started burning to the point that I could not
> hold on anymore and crashed.

I felt this on my transition board.  It has never been a problem on my
shortboards.  I think that for me it was just being in a poor stance. 
Assuming you are planing in the straps: Try moving your masttrack back
so you can stand straighter with more weight on the back leg.  Your
footstraps may be too far apart also; moving the back one forward will
probably help (or you can move the front one back and move the masttrack
back some more).  Experiment also with boom height to find your
comfortable posture.  In all of these things, an inch or two can
make a world of difference!


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Tuning sails
Date: 5 Nov 1992 05:27:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: speedsail

Okay, so I have this new Ultra Profile 3.6 Slalom Lite sail
and I'm reading through the rigging directions and the documentation
describes outhaul and downhaul tension in terms of 1/4, 2/4, 3/4
and 4/4.  Maximum tension is listed as 4/4 and Minimum as 1/4.
I have NEVER seen rigging tension referred to in this manner.
Everything I've read in Windsurfing magazine, in books and on the
net usually says something like more downhaul, give it more
downhaul.

I can sort of guess how the outhaul tension would be measured this
way, since you can release the outhaul tension on a modern sail to
get a proper shape, but how do you get 3/4 downhaul tension?

It also listed in the rigging procedure to tighten everything so
that the sail is flat, insert all the battens and tighten them,
then it says: "After battens are properly installed, lessen
batten tension to the appropriate draft for normal wind (sail
should almost touch boom)".  This is a typographical error and
they mean outhaul tension right???  Am I missing something here?

---

Scott R. Nelson			srnelson@eng.sun.com
Sun Microsystems

F2 Comet (10'6"), 2 big O'Brien boards and 8 assorted sails.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing