From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Cat Steven's visit to Israel (& concert!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:48:20 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan5.055440.10274@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich) writes:
>In article <4842@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
>>Irene, you cited was from July 27,
1988 and my article in s.c.j. referred to 1990.  I never stated that
Yousef Islam *never* visited Israel - don't mix the two issues.
>
>   You asked for my source stating Cat Stevens visiting Israel.  I
>provided it.  No issue mixing.

Sigh.  I asked for your source stating that Yousef Islam (what - you
aren't even going to *recognize* his name, Irene? :-) WAS admitted in
1990, according to the original article.  Shall I resubmit it for you?

Again, I never stated that Yousef Islam never visited Israel.  I cited
from memory (later to post that article to confirm my statement), that
he was refused admission.  Then you quote an article from **1988**,
which was COMPLETELY out of context.  Therefore, you mixed the two
issues.

>>According to the articles, he was planning to do a concert (my article
quoted a Muslim festival), which is completely different than being
an average 'tourist'.  You have absolutely no proof or justification
for Israel's actions.
>
>       You want sources showing Cat Stevens materially supports Hamas,
>which Israel sees as a terrorist organization,  I'll give you sources.
>The things I do for you Anisa!
>
>Los Angeles Times (LT) - SUNDAY June 3, 1990
>By: DANIEL WILLIAMS; TIMES STAFF WRITER
>Edition: Home Edition   Page: 6  Pt. A  Col. 1
>
>    Hamas followers say funds for the movement come both from inside the
>occupied land--through religious gifts--and from abroad. In papers filed in
>court, Yassin was charged with collecting and distributing more than
>$500,000 from foreign sources, mostly Jordan, Egypt and Britain, where a
>donation was reported from Muslim activist Youssef Islam, the former rock
>singer once known as *** Cat Stevens. ***

Okay.

>So even though the Israel critics of this net do not agree that Hamas
>is a terrorist organization, the State of Israel does, and therefore,
>understandably refused a supporter entry to their country which is
>certainly their perogative.

Okay.  In previous articles, my quote stated that he was not given the
reason why he was refused.  Your previous quote stated that it was due to
his 'preachings against Israel'.  This is certainly different than what
you just cited.  If this citation is the reason (which was not in contrast
to the particular issue that we are discussing, and focused on Sheikh
Yasin), then he SHOULD HAVE been given this as the excuse.  Additionally,
you stated that anyone who is considered a terrorist (which your citation
does not PROVE that he is, infact, a terrorist), is denied entry.

If you would have simply posted the article in the very beginning to
support your statements (which, so far, ONLY prove that Yousef Islam has
donated monies to Hamas) instead of using distortions through (your)
personal perspectives to try and cover up the facts, this issue could
have been more easily resolved.  (And you think *we* are the difficult
ones!)  In the future, please deal directly with the issue and know the
differences between real facts and how they relate to the subject matter,
as well as clearly addressing them - not muddling it.

>Damn good singer although I think his policies aren't so hot
 
Not bad looking either, huh?  :-)

Apart from that, it is good to see another woman debating this ...
no matter how stubborn.  :')

Anisa

	"The occupation is an abnormal, distorting condition.
	It has to come to an end.  And I think only then will
	you see an end to violence."
					Hanan Ashwari
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