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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: No Anti-trust protection.. Big problem!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:21:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.012427.9669@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>call into jeopardy the status of NFL, MLB, and NBA?  I though MLB (and
>therefore the other sports) had protection under congress for anti-trust
>laws?

Not quite.  Congress has not gotten involved in the act at all, despite
attempts in the past by Pete Rozelle to get them involved.  Baseball was
granted an anti-trust exemption in the 20s by the Supreme Court, in which
Justice Holmes, writing for the majority, declared that baseball was not
interstate commerce, and therefore not bound by the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Since then, the Supreme Court has upheld this ruling in two other cases,
one in the 40s and the Flood case in the 70s; though the opinions written
show that the justices think that the original ruling was wrong, the Court
prefers to let Congress decide whether to remove the anti-trust exemption
or not.  Congress trots out threats to do so every so often to try and push
baseball toward expansion.

The courts have not however extended this anti-trust exemption to any other
sport.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: millis@ckgp.UUCP (Tom Millis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: box score needed
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:22:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CKGP Assoc. Inc. Birmingham, MI

Can someone send me the box score for the LA - Vancouver game last
weekend (I think it was on the 12th).

Thanks in advance

Tom

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From: dja1@mulch.picst.bellcore.com (Dave Arlington)
Subject: I need my fix!
Reply-To: arlingto@remus.rutgers.edu
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:24:47 GMT

I really don't care who is right or wrong any more. I need hockey!!

Does anyone know if SportsChannel or MSG or anything has any plans to 
show any of the IHL or AHL playoffs? For a follower of hockey, most of
these teams have enough familiar names to make it watchable. Won't they
please show us some hockey?

I even watched Wisconsin and Lake Superior State the other night I was
so in need of hockey.

The most amazing thing about all this is I suppose I'll actually have to
talk to my wife this April and May!

"Remember, save the planet, defy authority, and watch your cholesterol!"
"Nulla Quaestio!"                Dave Arlington



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From: scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 4-16-92
Keywords: last regular season night and final standings
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:31:51 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr17.152204.15020@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) writes:
> 
> 
> Pittsburgh Penguins--Wregget (2 shots - 2 saves)  Young (5:17 first) (6 shots -
>                      6 saves)  Wregget (11:31 first) (0 shots - 0 saves)
>                      Young (7-6-0) (15:11 first) (16 shots - 14 saves)
>                      Wregget (6:32 second) (3 shots - 3 saves)  Young (11:51
>                      second) (3 shots - 3 saves)  Wregget (16:54 second) 
>                      (5 shots - 3 saves)  Young (5:10 third) (1 shots - 1 saves)
>                      Wregget (9:43 third) (3 shots - 1 saves)  Young (15:06
>                      third) (4 shots - 3 saves)
> New York Rangers--Vanbiesbrouck (27-13-3) (28 shots - 27 saves)
> 

	What's this?  Is this for real?  Does anyone know what was going on?

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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: Access to markets (was Re: The Strike SUCKS.)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:14:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.155121.632@berlioz.nsc.com>, alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
> If you don't like the size of your paycheque you can always send out resumes
> and jump from one company to another.  Entrepeneurial types can even go out
> and start their own companies.  Show me a hockey player who can sell his
> services as easily as we can, or who can start up his own team in the league,
> or start up a new league.

We can jump from company to company, but the companies we work for have, for
the most part, equal access to the same markets.  While it's theoretically
true that every team in pro sports has access to the same markets, it's not the
case in practice.

Without some form of revenue sharing, I can't accept total free agency as a
means of talent distribution.


Glenn
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From: schultz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Dennis Schultz)
Subject: Re: More on the screwing of the Badgers...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:39:46 GMT

	I definitely think what the Wisconsin players did afterward was wrong.
However, the NCAA will coverup any misconduct by their referees.  To any
non-partisan fan, that type of game turns anyone off to hockey, and defending
their ref will only cause people to ignore future championship games.  Who
wants to watch 5 on 3?
Why isn't the referee being investigated.  He did everything one would
expect of a paid-off referee.
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Kvalserien (Sweden) 12/4
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:39:03 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden


KVALSERIEN, third round, Sunday 12/4:
=======================================

Sodertalje-Vita Hasten 5-0 (1-0,1-0,3-0)

S: Conny Jansson 2, Stefan Olsson, Tomaz Eriksson, Skeeter Moore
Penalties: S 7*2min, VH 8*2min   Att: 2,024

Leksand-Team Boro 4-2 (0-1,4-1,0-1)

L: Magnus Svensson 3, Ricard Persson
TB: Claes Roupe, Nils-Gunnar Svensson
Penalties: L 8*2min, TB 11*2min   Att: 4,078

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KVALSERIEN:                                     Standings:    GP W T L GF-GA P
 8/4: Sodertalje-Leksand 4-7, Vita H-Boro 4-2         
10/4: Leksand-Vita H 7-1, Boro-Sodertalje 5-2   1. Leksand     3 3 0 0 18- 7 6
12/4: Sodertalje-Vita H 5-0, Leksand-Boro 4-2   ------------------------------
15/4: Vita H-Sodertalje ?-?, Boro-Leksand ?-?   2. Sodertalje  3 1 0 2 11-12 2
17/4: Vita H-Leksand ?-?, Sodertalje-Boro ?-?   3. Team Boro   3 1 0 2  9-10 2
19/4: Leksand-Sodertalje ?-?, Boro-Vita H ?-?   4. Vita Hasten 3 1 0 2  5-14 2
*Winner to ELITSERIEN.
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Staffan
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From: STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET (Who do you think?)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: HAPPY DAYS ARE BACK
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:13:38 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Now that the strike is over, we all can enjoy seeing the Pens recapture
the Cup.
--
Let's go Pens
Steve
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From: billoj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeremy Louis Billones)
Subject: Re: More on the screwing of the Badgers...
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:28:18 GMT

ddavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Donald Davis) writes:
>	I would remind you and everyone else in Netland that the "things
>not going their way" that you glibly refer to was not a single inopportune
>call or bad bounce of the puck.  The Badgers were whistled for FIVE (5)
>two-man advantages!!!!!!  Of all the people in Netland I've discussed this
>with, *one* person could think of one Juniors game where a team had been
>screwed by the refs to that extent.

What you "so glibly refer to" as "screwed by the refs" is a team fouling
the other team when they happened to be short handed.  You foul the
other guy, your team plays one man less - that's the rules.  The reason
it doesn't happen is because usually, most teams don't commit cheap
fouls when they're shorthanded.  Wisconsin did.

>	Did the Badgers behave badly in the face of adversity?  Sadly, yes
>they did.  But I defy any of you to name any hockey team on the face of the
>earth that could be cheated out of a championship by the guys in the
>striped shirts and not react the way the Badgers did, if not much worse.

You're probably right in this respect - teams that will still cheat while
killing a penalty will probably give the refs sh*t about calling them.

I saw the game.  Wisconsin *DID* commit the penalties, so the penalties
were called.  They were not "screwed" by the refs - they screwed themselves.

Jeremy Billones     billoj@rpi.edu  or  jbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: fredette@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Yves Fredette)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Calder (not Bure, not Lidstrom, not Amonte!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:56:54 GMT
Reply-To: fredette@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Yves Fredette)
Organization: Universite de Montreal

EJW103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>The winner of te Calder trophy should NOT be the person with the best individua
>l effort during a season.  Like Amonte and his approximately 65 points, or the
>great defenseman Lidstrom, or the playmaker Bure.  Instead, this trophy should
>belong to the player who has made the greatest contribution to his team.

>Player          Team           GWG      GTG        Points earned for team

>Donald Audette  Buffalo         6        1                  13

[stuff deleted]

>When you look at the statistics this way...The Calder Trophy can go to no one
>else but Donald Audette of the Buffalo Sabres.  He has other merits as well, su

[stuff deleted]

We don't know how many games Buffalo lost because of Audette; it would be
an important statistic to consider in your argument. I guess that a "One way
player" is subject to cause his team lot of trouble sometimes...

You can not conclude much with GWG. Just consider that it would be 
impossible (well almost :-) ,for example a Ron Hextall type ) for a goalie 
to win the calder.

Yves Fredette
From: vipin@regina.cs.uregina.ca (vipin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sherri's Spewing (WAS: Re: Another Lindros)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:20:45 GMT
Reply-To: vipin@regina.uregina.ca (Vipin Bhargava)    PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

In article <1992Apr5.190512.12956@Princeton.EDU> fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia) writes:
>In article <0dqr5pq00UhW05Rf9u@andrew.cmu.edu> cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy) writes:
>>Vip? Writes:
>>
>>>As for not being prepared for life after hockey,  how would YOU respond to
>>>someone coming to you at the age of 14 or 15 and saying, "In five years you
>>>could be making $200,000 if you keep playing hockey."  Where would your
>>>priorities be?  THe length of the players career would probably not even be
>>
>>Does this really happen in Hockey?  Are there low lifes in trench coats
>>that cruise rinks looking for the next Lindros?  Some how I doubt your
>>contention.  And besides even at 14 or 15 you can do simple math.  How
>>many players are there in the NHL comapred to how many 14 or 15 year
>>olds there are playing Hockey.  I still have very little sympathy for
>>someone who is that deluded to think they are destined to make the big
>>bucks, so they can ignore their education.  And besides what about their
>>parents.
>>
>>carl
>
>I think the people on this network are too smart for their own good.
>Look, the 14 or 15 year-old is NOT going to think he'll have trouble
>getting into the NHL when an agent tells him he's a natural.  The
>parents?  The money could sound good to them too.  Wasn't it P. T.
>Barnum who said "There's a fool born every minute"?  He was right.
>
>Fred

Many Junior level teams routinely 'draft' and use 15 year old players.  Some
of these are expecting the big time by the time the NHL draft for them rolls
around.  Why do you think the hype was so big for Lemieux at 18, Lindros at
18, Falloon at 19, and many others? (How old was Gretzky when he joined the
Indianapolis Racers?)
From: baumgart@masg1.epfl.ch (Marcel Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: They play in SWITZERLAND
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:10:28 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

No strike here near the Alps, even the most spectacular playoff ever seen
in Swiss highest hockey league. After the 4th game (best of five), Berne and
Fribourg (3rd resp. 1st after regular season) tie 2-2. Ater a 4-3 victory in 
Fribourg, Berne "erased" Fribourg in the their "Allmend" (16500 spectators) 
11-2. No more bets on Fribourg. But: two undiscutables victorys followed. A
splendid 5-1 at home and last night shot-out on foreign ice: 3-0 victory.
Consequence: THE final Saturday in Fribourg, ask your Sports Channel to cover
it.                              MB 
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From: agouldng@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Allan Goulding)
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:29:37 GMT


mz10+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michelle Zumbo) writes:
>Does anyone know if there has ever been a team with a perfect record
>during the regular season?  Either 80-0-0 or some variation of:  #-0-#.

A quick look through the NHL guide shows no team with zero losses on a season.
The best record in the modern era (>=70 games) is the Montreal Canadiens
in 1976-77 with a record of 60W, 8L, 12T = 132 points. 

Allan

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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <15445@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes...
#In article <817@hsdndev.UUCP>, nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
#> It's typical NHL, a league where the fans go after the players and
#> the players audition for WWF. In the last few games,the Sabres are
#> beginning to look like the whole team is auditioning for WWF.
[. . .]
#>          I want to see alot of violence in this series. I want to see
#> blood. I want Rick Bowness climb over the separating glass behind the
#> bench and whack Buffalo fans with a stick. You need a good bloodbath

And Mr. Shneyder can root for the number one thug team of all time with
no second thoughts?  All Buffalo is doing is emulating the Bruin style
of play.  Boston has tried to beat the shit out of the Sabres every game
this year and Buffalo is trying to show that it will not be intimidated 
in the Aud, the Garden or anywhere else.  We finally got rid of that wimp
Dudley, get a great coach in Muckler who's not afraid to mix it up
on the ice, and now the team is all a bunch of goons according to the
r.s.h'ers.  Hitting is a part of hockey and fighting is a part of hockey.
The Sabres are simply using that facet of the game that had been missing
for far too long under Dudley.

You can hate the Sabres for their "thuggery", but heavens, don't turn to
Boston as an example of righteousness:  they'll be giving as much as they
take come Sunday night.

#All right!!! I like it! This group is finally coming around and seeing
#things with a true eye for the game. None of this "oh I hate goon
#hockey - it wasn't meant to be played like that - ooooh what if
#Mario gets hurt from a fight? - oh no - so many fans have stopped
#watching because of fighting.>>" what a pile of crap. I agree - we need
#a good tough bloody series - just the way hockey was played for
#decades before this relatively recent upsurge in wimp-behavior.

Bravo gARy, for once I agree with you.

# suspended for what? hitting a fan who went after the players? I think
#not my little friend - I'd give him a raise.... and I'd give the fan
#an award too for putting the fire back into the game that so many folks 
#are determined to remove....

I, too, am tired of the hackneyed comment that "Americans don't watch hockey
because it's too violent."  What a load of crap:  we have bench clearing 
brawls in baseball, people stomping on others' chests in basketball, and
the ultimate in violence, football, as the most popular sport in the US.
Personally, I love a good fisticuffs to add a little spice to a game, and
I think many Americans agree.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: 1992 IIHF World Championships
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:04:46 GMT

Eric Rickin provided the following schedule.

Glenn


1992 International Ice Hockey Federation World Championships in Czechoslovakia

Games are 7 AM, 10:30 AM, and 2 PM EDT (GMT = EDT + 4 hours)
					Site
Apr 28	Sweden		Poland		Prague
	Germany		Finland		Prague
	Italy		USA		Prague
	Canada		France		Bratislava
	Switzerland	CIS		Bratislava
	Norway		Czechoslovakia	Bratislava

Apr 29	Finland		Poland		Prague
	USA		Germany		Prague
	Sweden		Italy		Prague

Apr 30	Canada		Switzerland	Bratislava
	Czechoslovakia	France		Bratislava
	CIS		Norway		Bratislava

May 1	Poland		Italy		Prague
	Germany		Sweden		Prague
	USA		Finland		Prague
	France		Switzerland	Bratislava
	Norway		Canada		Bratislava
	CIS		Czechoslovakia	Bratislava

May 3	CIS		France		Prague
	Switzerland	Norway		Prague
	Czechoslovakia	Canada		Prague
	USA		Poland		Bratislava
	Italy		Germany		Bratislava
	Finland		Sweden		Bratislava

May 4	France		Norway		Prague
	Canada		CIS		Prague
	Czechoslovakia	Switzerland	Prague
	Poland		Germany		Bratislava
	Finland		Italy		Bratislava
	Sweden		USA		Bratislava

May 6,7	Quarter-finals

May 9	Semi-finals

May 10	Bronze Medal Game
	Gold Medal Game
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:58:16 GMT

> think of how bad things were back then - no strikes, no whining players, no
> cup in Pittsburgh, a national TV contract.... horrible stuff - now give

And what's wrong with the Cup in Pittsburgh?  It took its sweet time
getting there; 23 years without it, almost half as long as the Rangers
have had to do without.

> me the cup in a mickey mouse hockey city, whining stars with bad backs, and

So I suppose Tucson is the center of the hockey universe!?  :-) Yes, I
know, that's not where you're really from.  As for Mario, BTW, I think
it's ridiculous that he has somebody else tying his skates for him,
too.  But if it actually helps keep him playing the game, and maybe
even winning another Cup, then I'm all for it, no matter how
ridiculous it may be.  The team is protecting a multi-million-dollar
investment.  Which cities, may I ask, would not be "mickey mouse"
hockey cities to you?  Would you prefer a six-team league?  Then
again, the whole thing is a "garage/garbage league", after all, so why
bother?  The NHL won't leave that garage until Ziegler packs it in.

> a constant buzz of complaints about fighting in hockey - NOW that's the way
> the game was meant to be.....

Right.  Keep the fighting where it belongs, in the stands :-).
From: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Sharks on TV-36
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:30:27 GMT
Reply-To: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gakbox.corp.sun.com

Rumor from Joe Starkey says that Wednesday's Calgary/San Jose game will
be televised on KICU-36 at 7:30pm.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: IndyCars?
From: tmbrex@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:03:17 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Hiya,
	I am pretty new to this newsgroup "thing", and was wondering
if there is a newsgroup for IndyCar Fans?  On the system I am using, 
there seems to be nothing. Suggestions?

			TMBREX
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
From: pkemp@byron.u.washington.edu (Paul Kemp)
Subject: BOXING:  Rosario got robbed!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:46:28 GMT


Did anyone catch the fights last night?
Chavez got his 80th, count them, 80 victories.  He fought beautifully.
However, Edwin Rosario got robbed in his title defense against the Japanese
challager.  The fight was stopped with a minute left in the first round.
Sure the Japanese fighter was a whirlwind and was coming on strong, but Rosario looked neither hurt nor in danger.  I was appalled that the ref stopped the 
fight...perhaps partisan politics by the Mexican ref.
What do others think?
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: WAI#8
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:16:26 GMT
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Who Am I #08?
  -------------

  I caught a touchdown pass from Y.A. Tittle. To shed some more light on my
  situation, I also hit a homerun off Sandy Koufax.

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  bill

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From: ssmith@husky1.stmarys.ca (Steve Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: America's Cup info
Keywords: sailing, America's cup
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:26:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Services, St. Mary's University

Does anyone know of a list or how to get info on the America's Cup racing?

Thanks

Steve Smith
Manager, Systems and Operations
Saint Mary's University
Halifax, N.S.

Internet: ssmith@husky1.stmarys.ca
Phone: 902 420-5477
From: u9211306@cc.uow.edu.au (Elpidio S Jabonete Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.misc
Subject: CHESS CHATS!
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:43:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong


	The forthcoming Chess Olympiad in June  would be the major chess
event this year. It expects to draw top grandmasters of the world inclu-
ding GM Garry Kasparov. 
	FIDE President Florencio Campomanes is very optimistic that the event
would be the biggest Chess Olympiad ever!

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