HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: where's the hara?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:39:40 GMT

Lars R{der Clausen (elascurn@daimi.aau.dk) wrote:

: According to what I've learned, the hara chackra is the second chakra,
: located, as you say, about 2 inches below the navel, and the solar plexus
: chakra is the third chakra, located, appropriately, at the solar plexus.
: And they have very different kinds of energy (water vs fire). It sounds
: to me like someone got something wrong somewhere.

Taisen Deshimaru, in his *excellent* book "The Zen Way to the Martial Arts"
points to the Hara as "three fingers below the navel", and defines it as
"the center and source of physical energy".

Hope this helps.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: 1880s Encounter.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:52:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: 1800 Encounter.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 06:18:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Astral Folk: Boy I just got back from the OOBE train with the 
idea that I should tell you the truth about an Encounter of the Third
Kind that happened during the 1880s (I think). If I can pull this one
off without out getting shot I'll be money ahead.
John  Winston. I'll try to post it in the future.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Greys, Good, Bad, or Kibozotic
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:02:12 GMT



|>
|>In article <69561@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|>>  Please don't think that this is something that I alone know about. 
|>
|>Oh, John, we'd never think YOU ALONE know about this stuff!


Yah! there has to be at least half a dozen personalities in your head that
know what you know John.


Steve  Food_for_the_Greys/Reptoids

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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Share International magazine:  November 1992 issue
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.201346.1566@panix.com> moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>>This is an abridged, electronic version of SHARE INTERNATIONAL magazine. The
>>magazine has a non-paid staff only, carries no advertisements and is
>>published by SHARE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION, a non-profit, non-governmental
>>organization in association with the United Nations.
>
>Seeing how this magazine is clearly a public relations vehicle for
>Benjamin Creme, would the person who posted this please explain how the
>United Nations is involved with its publication?
>
>-- 
>Len Moskowitz
>moskowit@panix.com

Good question Len..I wonder if the SHARE folks would mind posting
real answers instead of canned postings?

I have a few of my own:

1) Why does Maitreya hide in the UK and not reveal who he is?
2) What connections does he have with UNESCO and what gives _him_
the right to "re-distribute planetory resources" ?
3) What connections exist between Lucifer Press (later re-named
to Lucis Trust) and the UN?

The SHARE folks can start with those..I have a few dozen more
gleaned from studying all the old Bailey books and I'm disturbed
by  what I read. 

Don


-- 
<*> Don Allen <*>             1:363/81.1 - Fidonet #1 - Homebody BBS
dona@bilver.uucp - Internet   1:363/29.8 - Fidonet #2 - Gourmet Delight
88:4205/1.1  - MUFON Network  1:3607/20.2  -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net
NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:28:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Concerned Parties of the First Part: 
I believe you will find that the underscores (_ _) that are with my name are a 
result of how Portal chooses to identify a person and not something I 
dreamed up. I'll have to admit that was a pretty funny come back. It's 
saturday and I just got paid so  how good can it get?
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Subject: Re: Rain
Keywords: NOT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.041534.28902@leland.Stanford.EDU> mirage@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dean Joseph Sanvitale) writes:
>
>There is no absolute truth.
>
>Sorry for the shock, but I thought you'd like to know.

Are you absolutely sure? 

Prepare yourselves, mates, here we go again for another ride :-).

God bless,

-- 
John Emery		"You say we've risen to a new age of light.
emery@tc.fluke.COM       You're telling me what used to be wrong
			 is now right."
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Greys, Good or Bad
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:10:03 GMT

     The only good Grey is a DEAD Grey! They're vicious, woman-raping,
     child-eating varmints!

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
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From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<MMEYER.92Nov12105957@m2.dseg.ti.com> <69419@cup.portal.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:56:31 GMT

In article <69419@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Kelvin Rowe says his space friends don't refer to planets by names
> but by their orbit. 

	Gee, that must get awfully confusing, umpteen thousand planets
in the galaxy, all called "Elliptical".

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
  "They say history repeats itself.  But then again, they've said that before."
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:50:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Humans: Boy that comment of Walter D. P. was so good he should
go out and etch it on a rock so future generations would know that
one person had his head screwed on right during our generation. To answer
the question about how the space people use the word abort, they mainly
use it the same way we do and use it to show when you stop a missile 
firing.  I'm glad someone put the information down about order 200-2.
We're getting some good comments. Keep it up. 
John Winston.
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From: finn@convex.com (Tom Finn)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:10:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Nov16.221041.25296
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <16NOV199210204491@apsicc.aps.edu> jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
>In article <69492@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>>as an international language. I will now close with solar language
>>and say goodbye and may God be with you. Adona Vasu Baragus.
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	The rhythm of this sounds a lot like what Michael Renny had his earthly
>	girlfriend say to Gort the 'Police Robot' to keep it from destroying the
>	earth in, "THE DAY the EARTH STOOD STILL".
>                                 Adona Vasu BOGUS

Reminded me of televangelist Robert Tilton, speaking in tongues.  Hey- you
don't think he's an *alien*, do you?  
					<grin>

tom
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:01:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: Here it is Monday morning and it appears that I have a 
new set of flamers. Thank you for your support. It's very heart warming.
John Winston.
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:40:52 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1ef1ghINNhgv@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
> Yup. That's a characteristic of hypnotically-induced memories.  They look and
> feel just like REAL memories.  The subject is usually incapable of
> distinguishing the hypnotically-induced memories from memories of actual
> events.  That's why courts these days won't allow testimony that involves
> memories that were elicited by hypnosis.
> 
> Why must we do personal research when REAL research has proven that "real"
> memories of things that never happened can be produced via hypnosis?
> 

There is a body of anecdotal evidence that goes beyond the possibility
of hypnotically induced memories.

Some people who remember previous incarnations, when they return to
site of a recent past life, are able to remember people and places in
great detail, and are able to verify memories of past life events with
those that knew them in the previous incarnation.

Tibetan lamas, known as Tulkus, even choose the site of their next
incarnation. 

I cannot offer any specific references, as I have at best a passing
interest in 'scientifically' proving reincarnation. I don't believe
science as we now know it can say anything about other than purely
physical phenomena.

			-Lorenzo
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc,alt.satanism
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:58:31 -0500 
From: "Andrew N. Westmeyer" <aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Satan is your friend !!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!

if anyone believes this, 
then he is a flake

Andrew Westmeyer
aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu

Carnegie Mellon University
Materials Science and Engineering

Reality is objective.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:25:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

All Creatures Great and Small: Here it is tuesday and it's time to 
announce the destination of the OOBE train for this week. I figure 
we should keep it simple this week and just all meet aboard an alien
space ship and let them give us the Cook's Tour of whatever they want 
to show us. Nothing special maybe something from the Good guys (the 
Good Guys, Asthtar Command and if they can swing it Celestial class)
John Winston. Thanks to Don, Len, Tom, Curt, T.R. and B.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mccoy@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Don McCoy)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: Applied Physics: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:18:55 GMT

In article <69607@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear People: Here it is Monday morning and it appears that I have a 
>new set of flamers. Thank you for your support. It's very heart warming.
>John Winston.

John, 
	They'll come and they'll go, but they'll never keep up
with *you*!  :)   Have a good week.

..don...

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Dolphin-Aliens?
Reply-To: sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:19:04 GMT

In article <69712@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Subject: Dolphins.
>   There is a name that strikes hatred in some of the people who read this Net 
>and hear a certain person's name. They really fly apart and raved for a long 
>time.  Thit name is Uri Geller.  





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ME thinks John Winston and Uri Geller have something in common!!!!!!!!!
__________________________________________________________________________
From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: absolutes
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:36:21 GMT
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

In article <Nov.20.11.08.26.1992.6385@kish.rutgers.edu>, kish@kish.rutgers.edu (Kish) writes:
|> Swain Martin Thomas:
|> > However, I must disagree, on point, not principle. John, consider the
|> > word "universe". Are you up on your latin at all?  Loosley translated,
|> > I think universe means, like one-word.  Now is that absolute or what?
|> 
|> Have you ever tried to precisely define the notion of "word", even in
|> the sense of ordinary everyday speech ?  I don't think it can really
|> be done.  You can have provisional definitions that work well in
|> particular contexts, but that's all.

This whole discussion reminds me of the philosopher who tried to prove
that 1+1=2.  His proof was over 1000 pages before he finally gave up.
He just couldn't do it with pure logic.

I believe that it was Russel(sp?) who tried to do this.  Anyone know
for sure?  (or does this really belong in alt.folklore.urban?)

just a net.lurker's humble opinion ;-)
-- 
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From: drwho@parrot.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Abort
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:33:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: parrot.wpi.edu

In article <69787@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Ex-aliens:  It was mentioned that it would be good to have a 
>dictionary of another language. I was given some words used by another
>planet called Legart. About one in a hundred of the words are the same
>as ours. I remember one of the words that was the same was the word
>abort.
>John Winston

Ah, but does it mean the same thing?

Marge: "You speak English?"
Alien: "No, we speak Betelgeusian, but by a staggering coincidence,
the two languages are exactly the same."
			--The Simpsons Halloween Special #1

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # "Are you absolutely sure that you want to 
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # do this? [ny]"
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # No, but can I do it anyway?
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
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Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:51 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Nov23.153921.25216@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes...
>EC writes in part:
>| There are lots of books and articles dealing with past-life research.  I refer
>| you to Ian Stevenson's "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation" and "The
>| Search for Bridey Murphy" which was written (if memory serves) by a Boston
>| psychologist who originally set out to debunk the theory, and became a believer.
>| --
>| Ed Carp			
>| 
>| Have you ever done any *real* research, or are you just talking through
>| your hat?  Ever read J. B. Rhine's studies on the Bridey Murphy case?
>| Ever read Ian Stevenson's stuff?  If you haven't done any real research
>| into the field, I respectfully submit that your opinion is nothing more
>| than that - opinion, and a misinformed one, at that.
>| --
>| Ed Carp			
>As other folks have already pointed out, Ian Stevenson's stuff and
>the Bridey Murphy case are VERY well known.  Have YOU ever done any
>*real* research and read ANY psychology textbook on hypnosis?  It
>doesn't look like it.

I'm glad you posted this followup.  I thought I remembered Carp making
the above statement about the author of _The Search for Bridey Murphy_, but
couldn't find it at the time I posted my criticisms of another Carp
message.  His memory does not serve him correctly; the author of
_The Search for Bridey Murphy_ was a Pueblo, Colorado businessman and
amateur hypnotist, not by a Boston psychologist.  Perhaps he meant to
refer to Dr. Milton V. Kline's anthology of papers, _A Scientific
Report on "The Search for Bridey Murphy"_ (1956), but I believe that
anthology is skeptical.  (I could be wrong--Kline is the hypnosis researcher
who claimed to the CIA that he could create a "Manchurian candidate"
assassin for them, but all attempts to do so were a complete failure.
This is discussed in Gordon Thomas's 1989 book, _Journey into Madness:
The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse_.)

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:16:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Deep Thinkers: Here  it is friday and we're still talking and 
have not killed one another yet, so that is a step in the right 
direction. Do you realize how many people have been killed in the 
past just because they brought up the subjects we are talking about.
Free speech is a great gift.
John Winston.
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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T bar-code$/scanner$
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:17:05 GMT

In article <BxnF6q.Brw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson) writes:

Waste of time diatribe deleted.

>have his priveleges revoked.
>

This is pure crap. If you don't like his postings, then place
him in your Kill file. Easy yes?! Robert has the right to post
whatever he chooses to post. The material of his post, as long
as it is not seditous or smacks of illegal and true
conspiracy, is covered by Free Speech.....and so is he. If his
net access gets revoked especially now, then he will be in his
right to sue for redress.

YOU .. sir....are talking like a true Hitlerite. We all have
the right to post. Do you realize that yur post cost me money
and time to read? You shuld not be allowed to post....yes
that's the ticket...and wait a minute..those preaching cutting
taxes should lose their posting priviledges too....and what
about someone who talks lifestyle....where will it stop?

YOU are placed in MY Kill file...I hate to waste my time.

Len
>
>Erik A. Johnson, Graduate Student        \ Internet:  johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
>Aeronautical & Astronautical Engineering  \
>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign \ AmericaOnline: ErikAJ


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: 1880s Encounter.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:56:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: 1800s Encounter:
 One time I was calling into the telephone talk show called The Herb Jepko 
Show and I told Herb that I was going to play a little trick on him so he 
said, "Go ahead, be my guest". 
   I told him the following story; Once upon a time a person saw a light come 
down out of the sky and some people got out of a vehicle and come over and 
talked to him. What Herb, do you think that was. Herb answered that it 
sounded like  any another story of a peson coming in contact with the beings 
from a UFO. I then told him the rest of the story and that is the beings had 
shining apparel and showed him some golden tables that had writing on them. 
Herb then said, "Oh but that was the angels of the Lord coming down and 
dealing with Joseph Smith".  I then agreed with him and referred him to a 
small book by Joseph Smith that told of his experience. I've forgotten the 
name of the book but it had a name like Pearl of Great Price or Golden 
Jewels. Maybe some of you can remind me what the name of the book is. Herb 
Jepko's Show was broadcast from Salt Lake City. Utah.
John Winston.
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