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From: hernan@pactech.gatech.edu (Hernan Astudillo R.)
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:48:42 GMT

In article <16946@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>  A mi me parece que parte del exilio Cubano ha luchado mucho contra 
>las tiranias en otros pueblos.  Por ejemplo, lucharon mucho por evitar que 
>Allende implantara una presidencia totalitaria en Chile (pese a la 
>insconstiticionalidad de sus acciones).
>
>[...] algunas de esta organizaciones de exiliados que 
>siempre le han dado una mano a todo el que huyo de regimenes totalitarios en el
>mundo.

Edelmiro,
	No se si eres ignorante o malintencionado.  El exilio cubano no solo
JAMAS lucho contra la dictadura de pinocho, sino que LE AYUDO.  Supongo que
"olvidas" los lazos que unian a los grupos cubanos paramilitares con la
policia secreta chilena; el ejemplo mas notorio fue el asesinato (con una
bomba) en Washington D.C. de un chileno exiliado (ex-embajador Letelier).

	Como tu bien dices, los exiliados de otros paises son bienvenidos si
huyen de regimenes "totalitarios".  Si huyen de dictadores "autoritarios" (o
sea, pro-bussines), entonces deben ser malos por huir del paraiso.  De hecho,
los cubanos exiliados se comportan exactamente como los que mandan en Cuba:
si quieren nuestro sabor de dictadura, perfecto; sino, que se jodan.

--hernan

--			| "If the misery of our poor be caused not by laws of
Hernan Astudillo R.	|  nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin".
hernan@cc.gatech.edu	|		-- Charles Darwin,"Voyage of the Beagle"
College of Computing, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 / (404) 853-9390
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: jabba@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (IV)
Organization: Universidad Catolica
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:08:23 GMT

[Harel uncritically cites an old Oxfam report on self-reported improvements
in selected health and social indicators in Nicaragua]

For a good, unbiased reality check see United Nations Development Programme,
  _Human Development Report 1990_, Oxford University Press, esp. pp 104- and
  appendices.

But really, this is ancient history. I can't believe you people have been
arguing about this for months. We're nearing the close of 1992 and the most
recent source you've mentioned is a 1986 Chomsky tract based on others'
1980-84 research. In case you haven't noticed, neither Elliot Abrams nor the
sandinistas have been in power for some years. Could you consider devoting
some thought to current issues? For example:

Chamorro's coalition recently passed some of the most restrictive anti-gay
  legislation in the Americas (_New York Times_ 8/15?). Interestingly,
  many sandinistas have broken with Castro's homophobia and campaigned
  lukewarmly against the law.
The Sandinista army has sold 25 Soviet gunships to the Peruvian armed forces
  for use against Sendero. Chamorro did _not_ approve the transfer (see _La
  Prensa_ 9/6, _Barricada_ 9/9). Does this support the shoddy Helms report's
  contention that Chamorro is little more than a figurehead?
Jesse Helms has single-handedly witheld humanitarian aid from Nicaragua. The
  U.S. contribution to tsunami relief was a meager $25,000 from an embassy
  slush fund. In whose interest is it to deny humanitarian and disaster aid? 

Harel, isn't one of your 'principles' that one should concern oneself with
the current activities of one's own government? Because the actions of past 
or foreign governments aren't your concern, responsibility, or purview?
Or, like Chomsky (IMO), is it your principle to recycle other people's
propaganda so that you can feel important?
--
| rich graves, stanfd res affairs mac tech, and occasional senior, poli sci |
| jabba@deathstar.stanford.edu     88C Escondido Village     (415) 497-1573 |
From: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: NNY:Chamorro Govt & Cuba
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:15:30 GMT
Reply-To: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)

In article <1473800292@igc.apc.org>, sangu@igc.apc.org (David Sangurima) writes:
|> 
|> From: David Sangurima <sangu>
|> Subject: NNY:Chamorro Govt & Cuba
|> 
|> /* Written  2:28 pm  Aug 25, 1992 by crosenberg in cdp:reg.cuba */
|> /* ---------- "Status of Nicaraguans in Cuba" ---------- */
|> /* Written  8:45 pm  Aug 23, 1992 by nicanetny in cdp:reg.nicaragua */
|> /* ---------- "Weekly News Update #134, 8/23/92" ---------- */
|> 
|> CHAMORRO ORDERS MEDICAL PATIENTS TO LEAVE CUBA
|> Nicaraguan President Violeta Chamorro has ordered 76 people who
|> have been receiving medical treatment in Cuba to return home,
|> along with recently graduated Nicaraguan students. Initially all
|> patients were ordered to return but later the order was limited
|> to those who had already been released from the hospital. The
|> remainder will return over the next few days. Nicaragua has not
|> had an ambassador in Cuba since the Chamorro government took over
|> in April of 1990, and there is speculation that Nicaragua may
|> become the only country in Latin America to break off relations
|> with Cuba, presumably in an effort to please the US State
|> Department. [Nica Net Hotline 8/17/92]

I find this very interesting.  Just the day before I read this post, I had seen
Violeta Chamorro attacked by some conservative group for being only
a figurehead in a government totally controlled by the Sandinistas.  It
appears that she is being accused by both the left and the right.  Some 
claim that she is bowing to the Sandinistas and some cry that she is 
just trying to please the US State Department.  This leads me to believe
that she is trying to find her own way in a very difficult political 
situation and to respect her the more for it.  

With regard to the specifics of the above news, it smells very much
like those reports put together with the preconceived intention of proving
something, and some important details have been left out.  What was the 
actual wording of this "order"?  In what context was it issued?  Why did 
she do it?

  Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: lazaro@cauchy.math.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.215622.5830@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla) writes:
>
>es una lastima, el dolor humano ni es uno solo ni esta dirigido solo a un
>grupo en especial; la lucha conjunta contra los opresores (de cualquier 
>color que ellos sean) deberia ser la premisa numero uno de todo aquel que
>se opone al atropello y la injusticia, pero parecer ser que algunos lo han
>olvidado.

Y entonces, segun tu opinion expresada arriba -con la que estoy completamente
de acuerdo- ?no crees que se debiera ayudar a los cubanos deshacerce de su
dictadura, independientemente de lo que hayan hecho o digan algunos exiliados?

>solo mi contribucion de 2 centavos (plus taxes) :-))

Save your previous posting so you could deduct them in your next income tax 
return. 8-)

>chemazz

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
| lazaro@odie.cs.mun.ca           ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Nicaragua: New chief of police
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:26:21 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Nicaragua: new chief of police

A new chief of police has been appointed by President Chamorro.  The 
appointment has strong implications for liberation theologists in Nicaragua..  
The new appointee is, according to Associated Press, a "Sandinstas with a 
spotty record on human rights."  In fact, Fernando Caldera happens to be a 
priest beater.  As confirmed by Associated Press: "Caldera is considered 
responsible fo rthe July 1986 expulsion of of anti-Sandinista Roman Catholic 
Bishop Pablo Vega.  Vega was taken to the Honduran border and, shoeless, shoved 
across by Sandinista security forces.  Vega, who later returned to Nicaragua, 
described Caldera on Saturday as "dogmatic" and "partisan".  Ironically, the 
new chief  will be "monitored" by the new Vice Minister for Citizens' Security, 
Mr. Ronald Aviles.  Mr.Aviles was "jailed 'several times' by by Caldera between 
1984 and 1986" for his anti communist opposition.  The Chief of police has 
jailed the chief of the oversight board which is supposed to counter police 
atrocities!  Just think for a moment that that this is where communists want 
our tax dollars to be spent!!


Edelmiro Salas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: LA SOLEDAD DE FIDEL
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:30:24 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



AQUI LES VA ALGO QUE ENCONTRE EN LA RED DE ESPANHA:

Aqui os mando un pequenho articulo aparecido en la seccion Cartas al Director
del Pais internacional, del Lunes 17 de agosto, escrito por Carlos Aznarez.

                      La soledad de Fidel

  Del ostensible aluvion de ataques que recibio Fidel Castro de la prensa
espanhola me llamo la atencion la reiterada alusion a su "soledad". Las
cronicas se referian a la "escasa atencion" que el resto de la Cumbre
Iberoamericana le brindo al comandante e incluso a algunos supuestos 
desaires -inexistentes- de funcionarios del gobierno espanhol y de la
familia real. Fidel no estuvo solo. Por el contrario, fue la figura mas
popular de una cumbre bastante devaluada y conto con la permanente 
atencion de sus anfitriones, sobre todo del rey Juan Carlos, quien repitio
los gestos de amabilidad efectuados en Guadalajara.
  Pero ademas recibio la admiracion de la gente del pueblo, de los que 
admiran su coherencia tan particular en un mundo que cambia de ideas como
de ropa.  En Madrid, Barcelona, Sevilla y, en especial, Galicia el comandante
fue vitoreado y aclamado por el espanholito de a pie.
  Fidel tampoco esta solo en Latinoamerica, su patria grande.  Ha palpitado
in situ la solidaridad multitudinaria de los mexicanos (100.000 personas     
vitoreando a la revolucion cubana hace pocos meses).  En Argentina, donde
otros tantos miles realizaron un acto en la propia plaza de Mayo. O en Brasil,
en que cientos de intelectuales y dirigentes populares (como Jorge Amado,
Lula, Pablo Freire) comandaron un barco de la solidaridad rumbo a La Habana.
En Bolivia, Uruguay, Chile...
  No, Fidel no esta solo. Tiene antes que nada, a su pueblo que le acompanha, 
a pesar de las incomodidades y padecimientos de 33 anhos de bloqueo y agresion.
  Solos, de toda soledad, estan algunos de los otros participantes de la 
cumbre, como Guillermo Endara, de Panama, testaferro del imperio; Jorge 
Serrano, de Guatemala, donde la masacre de campesinos es moneda corriente; 
Alfredo Cristiani, gran amigo de los escuadrones de la muerte que terminaron
con el padre Ignacio Ellacuria; Carlos Menem, que lleva sobre sus espaldas
haber indultado a los militares genocidas.  Mas solos estan Carlos Andres 
Perez, rodeado de Caracazos, o el chino Fujimori, acompanhado de las 
bayonetas y el hambre de los peruanos.
  Para soledades, me quedo con la de Fidel. Es francamente multitudinaria.
 
                                      Carlos Aznarez. Madrid. 
   

JOSE F. OTERO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (IV)
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:46:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.050823.19567@morrow.stanford.edu> jabba@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) writes:
>
>But really, this is ancient history. I can't believe you people have been
>arguing about this for months. We're nearing the close of 1992 and the most
>recent source you've mentioned is a 1986 Chomsky tract based on others'
>1980-84 research. In case you haven't noticed, neither Elliot Abrams nor the
>sandinistas have been in power for some years. Could you consider devoting
>some thought to current issues? 

You are right. It's time to consider what's happening in Nicaragua right
now instead of discussing the past.

>For example:
>
>Chamorro's coalition recently passed some of the most restrictive anti-gay
>  legislation in the Americas (_New York Times_ 8/15?). Interestingly,
>  many sandinistas have broken with Castro's homophobia and campaigned
>  lukewarmly against the law.

Could anybody post what's the current situation on this issue. The last piece
of news I had about it was that Lesbian and Gay Rights groups inside Nicaragua
were challenging the law in court. Have they had any success?

>The Sandinista army has sold 25 Soviet gunships to the Peruvian armed forces
>  for use against Sendero. Chamorro did _not_ approve the transfer (see _La
>  Prensa_ 9/6, _Barricada_ 9/9). Does this support the shoddy Helms report's
>  contention that Chamorro is little more than a figurehead?

This is very interesting. Could you, please, post more information about it.
Some of us don't have access to the sources you provide.
Thanks.

>--
>| rich graves, stanfd res affairs mac tech, and occasional senior, poli sci |
>| jabba@deathstar.stanford.edu     88C Escondido Village     (415) 497-1573 |

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
| lazaro@odie.cs.mun.ca           ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: hope@huracan.cr (Theodore Hope)
Subject: Re: Internet en Panama
Organization: Proyecto Huracan - Fundacion Nahual / San Jose, Costa Rica
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 15:09:39 CAM


In <1992Jul19.153515.1311@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jma@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:

> Panama' se encuentra conectada a Internet desde hace mas de un an~o (probable-
> mente) a traves del nodo Huracan.cr.  Este es administrado por CSUCA, Consejo
> Superior de Universidades Centro Americanas, con sede en San Jose, Costa Rica.
> El administrador del nodo se llama Theodore Hope y su direccion es
> Hope@Huracan.cr.  El puede ofrecer un lista de las personas e instituciones
> conectadas al nodo, en Panama' y en el resto de Centro America.  Y si se esta
> conectado a una universidad o institucion, no debe costar nada ...

Una aclaracion:  El Proyecto Huracan dejo de ser administrado bajo el apoyo
institucional del CSUCA desde final del a~no pasado, a raiz de una crisis
instuticonal de esa institucion (CSUCA).  Desde 1992, el Proyecto Huracan es
administrado por la Fundacion Nahual, una organizacion sin fines de lucro
basada en Costa Rica, que se dedica a proyectos de informacion y comunicacion
en esta region.

Saludos a todos.

--
Theodore Hope / Proyecto Huracan - Fundacion Nahual / San Jose, COSTA RICA
From: singer@rhodes.aero.org
Subject: More about alfajores.
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA. USA
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:19:11 PST

Here is the recipe for alfajores: (I hope you read Spanish and metric!)

200 grs de manteca
150 grs azucar
3 yemas de huevo
300 grs de maizena (corn starch)
200 grs de harina (flour)
1/2 cucharadita (teaspoon) de bicarbonato de soda (baking soda)
2 cucharaditas de polvo de hornear (baking powder)
1 cucharadita de esencia de vainilla (vanilla extract)
ralladura de un limon

Mezclar la maizena, harina, bicarbonato y polvo de hornear.
Batir la manteca con el azucar, agregar las yemas una por una, una cucharada
de cognac y poco a poco, la maizenay harina.
Agregar la vainilla y ralladura de limon; mezlar todo bien.
Formar una masa, estirarla sobre al mesa previamente espolvoreada con maizena.
Cortar medallones (round pieces) colocarlos sobre chapas (metal trays)
Cocinar en horno a 375 Fahrenheit.
Dejar enfriar y unir en dos con el dulce de leche.

Hope you like them!


Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:54:09 -0400 
From: Daniel Reid Helsten <dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pinochet
	<1992Sep14.170201.4999@spss.com>

>Creo que la derrota de Pinochet en 1988 sen~ala mejor la actitud del pueblo 
>chileno en vez de la dictadura.

Cual derrota?  Vivi alli durante el plebiscito de '87 y la elecion de
'88.  En el plebiscito votaron 54% no al dictadura y 44% que seguia la
dictadura.  Obviamente, el pueblo chileno no odia a Pinochet y era un
plebiscito ligitimo en un pais "totalitario".  Es importante recordar
que Pinochet dejo su oficio de su propio voluntad.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.latin-america:3435 alt.activism:16177 talk.politics.misc:44963
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: EL SALVADOR
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:42:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu


Aqui les envio algo que encontre en la red de centroamerica:

/** wri.news: 501.0 **/
** Topic: El Salvador: coming home from war **
** Written  8:55 pm  Sep  3, 1992 by gn:peacenews in cdp:wri.news **
El Salvador: coming home from war

MARGARET SUMADH

The peace agreements signed in January 1992 put an end to the
longstanding war in El Salvador; now Salvadoreans are trying to
put together the infrastructure for a country operating in
peacetime. For most, this is a new experience.

One of the most pressing questions is the future of conscripts.
Men who were forced into the government forces in their teens are
now being released into civilian lives. Many of them were
involved in atrocities during their service.

Most have mixed feelings about their time in the army, and some
have serious psychological problems. They are easy to spot on the
street: uncomfortable with people, unused to making decisions. In
reality their fate will probably vary, but the capacity of the
Salvadorean people to forgive, in the light of the hope that the
Peace Accords have brought, is astounding.

And what of the other footsoldiers? What of the youngsters, men
and women, who were recruited to join forces of the Frente
Farabundo Marti de Liberaci"n Nacional (FMLN)? Often very young
when they volunteered, they played a different role in the
conflict, but their problems now are similar. Their skills are
also military; they know how to use arms, are accustomed to
moving from camp to camp. They have little education, know little
about the farming of their family plot.

They too need training. And the very land that these young people
came from is often unavailable through takeover by landowners who
are disputing peasants' rights, or may have been made unworkable
by the effects of bombing and lack of water.

Retraining for both these groups is dependent on funds from
internationals. The US government has sent funds for the
retraining and entry into civilian lives for both groups, but
some of these funds are being held back until the Cristiani
government, and to an extent the FMLN, comply more fully with the
terms of the Accords.

All demobilisation of FMLN troops is scheduled to be completed by
31 October; government troops by 1994.

SOURCE = The ACTivist



JOSE F. OTERO
From: mossiar@north11.acpub.duke.edu (Dante Mossi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: El Salvador and Honduras border resolution
Keywords: border agreement
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:51:43 GMT

Primero que todo muchas gracias a las pesonas que me mandaron informacion de el
tratado de la frontera. No saben como son de importantes estas cosas,
especialmente cuando uno esta viviendo tan lejos de su pais.
En todo caso, estos son los detalles de los resultados del tratado:
2/3 partes de las tierras en disputa pasaran a control de Honduras
2 islas en el oceano pacifico, en el Golfo de Fonseca, Meanguera y Meanguerita
pasaran a control de El Salvador.
Asi que en este tratado fue muy imparcial(ojala yo pudiera decir lo mismo de lo
que estoy escribiendo!) y el veredicto satisfizo a ambos paises. Este era el
ultimo obstaculo para una verdadera integracion economica en el area
centroamericana, y en especial para dos paises que se complementan mucho.
Por ejemplo, El Salvador es un pais muy poblado para el area que tiene, a su vez
es un pais muy industrializado, a pesar de los estragos de la guerra. Esta
industrializacion sugiere una fuerza laboral muy educada. Y sobretodo la presion
por mas tierra para producir productos agricolas es ahumentada por la
sobrepoblacion. En cambio, Honduras, es un pais relativamente extenso para la
poblacion de 4.5 millones de habitantes, y la base industrial esta todavia
desarrollandose; la agricultura es el sector numero uno de la economia nacional.
Un tratado bilateral de libre comercio, al menos, beneficiaria enormemente a dos
paises con tanta complementaridad, especialmente cuando se considera que ambas
naciones tienen el mismo origen y el mismo idioma.
Espero que este tratado sea el comienzo de algo muy bueno! 
Dante Mossi/Duke University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Re: CNN latin american news
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:53:13 GMT

  I think CNN does NOT (should we call it NOT instead?) have a decent, regular
coverage of latin american news, as if it were not part of the american
continent. There is a lot going on there and unless they just want to ignore
it I do not think it is fair to leave people uninformed of their immediate
vicinity.
  Anyway, in the 5 years I lived in the USA I never saw proper coverage of
  central/south american news, yet on "third world" countries you usually
  see some good coverage of international news 'just to keep you tuned in
  to the harsh reality of the world...'
		   No offense intended to anybody.
			  Emilio

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From: rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: How is Pereira(in Columbia) ? (In English)
Date: 6 Sep 1992 03:39:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: Colubia, Bogota, Pereira, Sightseeing

In article <22719@flab.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> entiendo@flab.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (entiendo) writes:
>Hi !
>I have plan to go to Pereira(maybe incorrect, sorry I am not sure) in Columbia
>next winter. 
>But I have no knowledge about Columbia.

Colombia.

>Could anybody tell me about Pereira ?
>(sorry,I am not sure whether  spell is O.K., but Pereira is near to Bogota)

Pereira is a nice, small city/large town (i think maybe pop. 50000) in 
Colombia's Andes.  It has some old architecture and beautiful landscapes.
I can't tell you more because i last went there about 6 years ago...
Be sure to enjoy the local cuisine.


Ron