From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:27:26 GMT

In article <PA146008.247.714246487@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.134718.25883@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
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>>From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
>>Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
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>>In article <1992Aug19.033102.28965@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>>f > "Frank" (Robin Collins)
>>>
>>>f > Some extremely intelligent people have been fundamentalists, or dogmatists.
>>>f > Such is fuel for fascism.  I think some of the libertarians are right in
>>>f > this area of thought (and which is why people like Chomsky call themselves
>>>f > libertarian socialists, I suspect.) Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>  On what? That we agree that being an intellectual is no safeguard against
>>>  falling for totalitarian's propaganda? Or that being an intellectual is
>>>  no guarantee against being wrong, or just ignorant and stupid? Makes one
>>>  wonder why so many intellectuals are of leftist persuasion, doesn't it?
>>>
>>>  Sometimes I think your average blue-collar Joe Steelworker has more sense
>>>  and wisdom than all the lefty intellectuals infesting academia and the
>>>  "elite".
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>>>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
>>
>>and that explains why your average Joe blue-collar steelworker is a socialist
>>and votes NDP in Canada,Labour in the UK,SDP in Germany,
>>socialist in france ,liberal-democrat in the US etc..
>
>     You are just about flat out wrong.  Joe blue-collar steelworker in
>the United States is fairly apt to be Republican.  Many blue-collar
>fields are Republican conservatives.  You are making an unfounded
>generalization to suggest otherwise.
>
>>and Idiotic intellectuals like William F Buckley and Milton
>>Friedman debate in an esoteric vaccumn totally out of
>>touch with the cruel realities of poverty homelessness
>>desperation crime etc...
>>
>>Your average Joe Bluecollar steelworker is a very sensible fellow
>>and knows who's side he is on.
>
>     Which is just as apt to be conservative in the United States as it
>is to be liberal.  Don't assume that because the liberal Democratcs shout
>that it is *they* who support the poor blue-collar workers that all of
>the poor blue-collar workers support *them*.  Many, many do not.
>
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>|David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  University of Tennessee             |  
>|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
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well there you have it I guess there are several chickens out there who will
vote for colonel saunders but not too many intelligent Chickens. I concede
on the US point but in Canada,UK,Germany,France, etc.. the workers do have a 
party and vote for this party and this party is social-democratic.

ALEX
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