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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Jul31.125516.12395@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

[most of excellent rebuttal deleted]

>And I doubt the team sees him as an annoyance, I'd say more of a blessing.
>The media is focusing more on Charles giving the others a breather from
>the circus.

This is a huge point here.  I remember during the TOA Doug Collins was
talking about how Christian Laettner and Bill Laimbeer were so important
to their respective teams (Duke & Detroit) because they were willing to take
on the role of the villain to deflect negative attention from the rest of the
team.  This is certainly what Charles is doing.

--Rob Clough
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From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Subject: Re: Barkley's a Jerk
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:55:36 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <4eRM51O00WBK840Gd9@andrew.cmu.edu> km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth Murphy) writes:
>Charles,
>You're such a idiot..
>I'm glad you are on Phoenix so you can
>ruin that team too.
>
>
>
>
>******************************************************************
>"One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills"
>  -Robert Hunter
>******************************************************************

	Charles,

		You are such a great ballplayer.  Way to go over there 
	and show those inferior players what basketball is all about.
	I can't wait to have you in theeh Western Conference because I   
	really enjoy watching you play.

		Thanks again Mr. Barkely,

				Russ Pierce


	PS.  Cool .sig, St. Stephen lives!!
From: speednut@csource.oz.au (mark jose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Luc Longley
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 15:50:29 +1000
Reply-To: speednut@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

G'day all,
 
Although we (Victorian's - Australia) see little of the NBA competition, I
have to say that the standard of play reaches new heights every year. The
only sorry point to all this is that we don't get a chance to see one of
"our own" play.
 
I am referring here to Luc Longley - Minnesota Timberwolves (Is that
the correct spelling?). I realise they languish (through no lack of
determination no doubt) at the bottom of the NBA standings and
consequently may have little followers on this network but can
somebody tell me how they are going regarding obtaining new players
and increasing their standing in the Association.
 
I suppose they would be (naturally?) favoured by the draft??
 
Has anybody seen Luc play and how do you rate his chances of continuing
his carreer over in the U.S.A. ? (It is obviously preferable for him to
continue to play there rather than return to Australia to play).
 
As I am an infrequent reader, please mail me: speednut@csource.oz.au
 
Cheers.
 

.........................................................
mark jose
speednut@csource.oz.au  Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia
The opinions expressed above are that of the author only.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:18:28 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com () writes:
>
>My feeling on the subject is: If you don't want it, don't buy it.
>And quit whining about it. TV isn't some inalienable right which 
>everyone is entitled to for free, it's a business whose purpose is
>to make money. Even if the idea of PPV is assinine.
>
>
>
>-- nik gupte

The business of TV is to serve the public interest. That's the fundamentals of
the FCC that issues and reviews TV licenses of all over-the-air broadcasters.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:39:40 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <BILLMS.92Jul28102820@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu  
(William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>  
O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
> 
>     I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics.  
He
>    is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them  
because
>    they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.
> 
> Why should you feel sorry for the team because Barkley doesn't make you  
proud
> of your country?  Why should they care how you feel about your country? 

Because they are representing our country.  If I represent my company,
I would expect to do so on  way that reflects well on my
company.  I think the country deserves no less respect.  On the
other hand, I don't think Barkley has made me any less proud of the
team.  He hasn't done anything really outlandish, and I don't expect
him to.

 Why
> is your view of your country so closely tied to the actions of a  
professional
> athelete?  Why do you prefer the antics of a few stars, who keep their  
mouths
> shut and tow the party line, to those of a single star who continues to  
speak
> with candor and insight on a wide range of issues?  Which of those  
actions is
> more generally held up as the 'american' model?   I walked 7 blocks to  
dinner
> last night in a major american city, and was approached for change 6  
times by
> homeless people on the street.  

Given your diatribe on how awful and greedy the government and country
is, I assume at this point you skipped dinner and gave your money
to the homeless folks?  



--
Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer
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From: law@law.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Law)
Subject: Dream Team vs France exhibition game
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:30:13 GMT


Does anyone have the result for the Dream Team vs France exhibition game ?

Patrick.


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From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA-Croatia / Magic hurt
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:14:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


Now I begin to understand why Stojko had more goaltendings than blocks
playing for Celtics. If u call some of his goalkeeper efforst in the game
blocks, I should assume that goaltending is allowed in international bbal.
BTW I also start thinking that Stojko wasn't used properly by Chris Ford.
Very often he was posted up against superior centers, and had to expose
his offensive weaknesses time after time, while playing for Croatia
he's basically plays passing game which he's not bad at considering his
size. Also he was a terrible rebounder in NBA, balls would just slip thru
his hands. Yesturday he got 8 ( I should admit though he played 30 min.
instead of his usual 3.5 ). Dino Radja, another C's prospect, showed
some aggresiveness and offensive skills at the 4 position. I'd like
to see him in C's uniform. Kukoc's passing resembles Larry Bird', but
his offense leaves wishing for better. Petrovich once again showed his
predictability and being 1-dimensional. But the main thing is once again,
Europian players can't play defense, and Radja is the only player on Croatia's
roster who at least has some potential in this area. Kukoc wasn't even
trying to stop Pippen blowing by him.
From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Warriors--Bulls
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:09:10 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


  I was going to post all the reasons why the Warriors
couldn't beat the Bulls, then remembered that they've
split the last two season series.  How?

  Specifically, who guards Jordan; and if it's Owens,
who guards Pippen?  Mullin? :)

Tom Hyer
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:29:32 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.133635.5818@iscsvax.uni.edu> baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <4127@news.duke.edu>, jafarr@north4.acpub.duke.edu (Jeff) writes:
>> Emil Thomas Chuck metioned that Petrovic was held scoreless in the 
>> second half, and that he was guarded by Jordan.  Actually, he was
>> guarded by a combination of Jordan and Pippen, who probably "wanted to send
>> a message" to their potential new teammate, as Marv put it.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> Duke University
>> "It's gonna be sweet to threepeat.  Just gotta make it through football season."
>
>If 20 people can respond that Rex Chapman is no longer a Hornet, then I think
>we should get at least three times that to respond to a Dookie.  Kukoc is the
>possible Chicago Bull not Drazen Petrovich (Nets).
>
>Let the corrections begin!
>
>BBB

Rex Chapman is a Charlotte Hornet.  They drafted him 9th in 1988 and I 
remember seeing him play last year.

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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird plays foolish in game 1 of olympics
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:23:41 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Jul29.125808.29455@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.190923.208@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
>gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>
>> P.S.
>> 	Bird is there because, out of the three superstars (Magic, Jordan).
>> Bird probably has a larger following.  He's not there to play hard, just
>
>
>I disagree with this last statement. Larry was convinced to play in the
>Olympics BY Magic, Jordan, and Dave Gavitt, according to the Boston
				^^^^^^^^^^^
>media.  He had decided NOT to participate, but was convinced by
>primarily Magic.

My point exactly.  You are forgetting that Gavitt is on the USOC or
something like that.  He knows how much greater the interest in
Olympic basketball would be with all three gods there, as opposed to
two (Magic, Jordan).  If you disagree with whether he has a larger
following, well, that's different.  There's no doubt in my mind
that if this was one of the lesser international tournaments, Bird
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From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Subject: Re: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.052034.6850@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@lyre.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>
>
>THEY STILL WON BY 33.  THE GAME WAS *NEVER* IN DOUBT.  CHARLES ONLY HAD 1 T!!!
>
>My point: (probably a confusing post if I needed to state it here, but too bad)
>
>The game was not close.

	Mark, you misunderstood my post.  Or maybe I didn't make it
	clear enough.  I said for the most part of the game it was closer than
	the final scores of 103-70, I mean, 33 point difference.  In fact, 
	for the second half (which is the only half I watched), the score 
	difference has been around or within 20 except the last two or three 
	minutes when the DT made the last run to enlarge the difference to
	what it was now: 33. 

	It was a closer game for the more part on SCOREBOARD, but this does
	not mean the game was close.  I thought it's unnecessary to mention
	in the previous post that the DT was in fact never challeged by the
	Croatia team (for the part I watched, at least) with respect to win
	and lose. 

	Such a close point difference may be explained partly by the injury
	of Magic Johnson.  Nonetheless it's the closest game so far the DT
	has ever played (except those scrimmages, of course.)

	By the way, some other netters have displayed that Pippen played
	very well in the first half, which I didn't see.  Sorry about 
	my statement about Pippen in the game.

>            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>

Harry
From: edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DALLAS makes offer to Stanley Roberts!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:10:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LLNL_LIS


 (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
 > 
 > One additional factor, if the Magic do sign Roberts with the intent to trade,
 > then who would they trade him to?  The Heat's offer was turned down becaus
 > they put some off-season conditioning clauses in to protect themselves.
 > While I have heard rumors of other teams being interested (Milwaukee, 
 > Golden State) but I'm not sure how serious the interest was.
 > 
  I heard that part of Dallas's offer was a no-trade clause for the
first year.  I think this would keep the Magic from trading him immediately
after they'd matched the offer.  Can you trade a restricted free agent 
another team has made on offer for without matching it first?

-- Dave Edmunds
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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: kevin pritchard
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:58:23 GMT


Does anyone know if Kevin Pritchard, formerly of Golden State and
Boston, is involved with an NBA club at this time?  Perhaps he is on a
summer roster somewhere?  If he ever gets his shot back, I think he
could provide quality bench minutes for an NBA team.  (Although
perhaps it is not mere coincidence that he lost his shot when he hit
the NBA ...)  Thanks.

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Enough
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:28:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul27.162151.16001@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.151918.7119@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>>   my goodness, Ed - isnt Dave being generous?  :-)
>
>My Goodness, Nate, are you really that naive?
>Do you really believe his "I am going to stop" lies?

  who said he was going to stop (other than him)?  no, what i meant was that
he was being generous to you for giving you a wider hole than Hog Hannah.
>
>...... Although I admit that the Lakers get preferential treatment in
> general, 
>I can't name an incident that they get a bogus call that gave them a victory 
>(tie) after the buzzer. 
>
>                                          Edward Lor

well, the LA example i brought up could be a start: a "phantom" 3 by magic,
in the Boston Garden, to win at the buzzer, possible only by a "phantom"
timeout they got with 2-ish seconds left with the ball in McHale's paws.


- nate
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From: jsandler@encore.com (Jeff Sandler)
Subject: Re: Ewing and Robinson in Olympics
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:19:46 GMT

skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:

>   I don't think this is right.  Nothing forbids alley-oops..

>                                                       SKH

You can alley-oop, but you can't dunk off of it..it has to be a layup.

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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Magic hurt?
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:12:13 GMT

In article 21347@news.Hawaii.Edu, bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
> I heard Magic got hurt in the Croatia game today. Any details?
>
>--
>    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
>    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
>    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
>    Fish on the Byte


Strained knee, will be back next game.


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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Warriors--Bulls
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:36:31 GMT

In article <92206.110910IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>
>  I was going to post all the reasons why the Warriors
>couldn't beat the Bulls, then remembered that they've
>split the last two season series.  How?
>
     The Warriors usually play the Bulls VERY early in the season.  The
Bulls did not start their season very well for the last 2 years.  That
may be the reason.  

>  Specifically, who guards Jordan; and if it's Owens,
>who guards Pippen?  Mullin? :)

     Jordan has not played very well against the Warriors (for some
mysterious reasons).  Statistics showed that Jordan averaged just over
20 points playing against the Warriors, and less than 20 while playing
at Oakland, both of those are lowest among all the NBA teams.

>
>Tom Hyer

Edward Hui
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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Spurs Update
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:04:10 GMT

paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:

[...]
>The Spurs clearly need to obtain a new point guard. There's
>been a lot of speculation about Brian Shaw, but nothing
>has happened.
[...]

The rumor in Portland was that Magic said on the radio something like
"when I play next year in the NBA it's not going to be in Converse
shoes" and went on to say something about how he wouldn't necessarily be
playing for the Lakers when he came back.  One of the teams that was
supposedly mentioned was the Spurs ...

I don't know why he's angry at Converse.  Nike said "no comment" when
asked if he was going to sign with them ...

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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:06:24 GMT

In article <jjonsson.39@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>In article <19732@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>> He's been the best damn player out there - face it the NBA defines basketball
>>and Charles is a big part of the NBA - if other countries don't like it then
>>too bad - that's the way it goes - if they want to compete with the NBA then
>>they should learn to play like the NBA and that includes physical and verbal
>>taunts.

Ah, spoken like a true American.  Let's go to Spain and eat at McDonalds.
Actually, the US got tired of all the talk and decided to send their best.
It was *our* decision to play with *them*, not the other way around - notice
whose rules we're playing by and how big that lane got all of a sudden.
And when your a guest, you act like one.

>The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that 
>Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary 
>players step on the floor, Karl will outshine Sir Charlie. 

So you're saying Karl can't create on his own?  And Charles Can?  Then
how do you know Charles won't thrive when Stockton is on the floor as well?

>P.S. Phoenix is just waiting to fall apart with that irritant on their team.

We'll see...
From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:28:45 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


>point gaurd - Kukoc
>shooting gaurd - Petrovic
>center - Vrankovic
>forward - Divac
>forward - Radja
>
>off the bench they would have Paspalj(Serbian), Komazec(Croatian),
>Zdovc(Slovanian).
>
>Now I know this team would still get beat four out of five times by the DT,
>but I still would have loved to see the game.
>
>Ivan (Croatia for the gold, hmmm excuse me, I mean silver)
>
Wrong! Come on! They would still get beat 5/5 times.....
by the same margins of 30 - 40 points....

The US was still playing with Croatia....

			Marty

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From: jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers)
Subject: Re: Notes and Stats from Tuesday's Rocky Mtn Review
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:13:10 GMT


Just a note of interest that I forgot to mention.  Rick Barry has
been here watching his son Scooter who is trying out with the Kings.
I think someone said yesterday that Jon was also here.  Am I confused,
but isn't the Jon Barry who was drafted by the Celtics Rick's son?  If
so, I would think that if anyone is encouraging him to hold out, its 
his dad, not his agent.

-- 
  Jennifer Ehlers                   
  jjehlers@dsd.es.com  		    
  Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. 
  Salt Lake City, Utah
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Vinny Del Negro signs with the Spurs
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:33:54 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.



	Spurs signed Del Negro to a multi-year contract, according to
today's Boston Globe. No other details.....

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