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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: What is Opalvision ??
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:25:32 GMT

usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard) writes:

>Forgive me for asking, but what exactly is OpalVision ??

>Is it a graphical board, including software (paint etc.), or
>is this totally incorrect.

It is, you are correct. See the review in c.s.a.reviews for more
details.
>Thanks for any replies

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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:   ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:27:36 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Tue  8 Sep 92 18:30, Blackbelt@cup.portal.com (ben - Wil
wrote:

 BW> Ken Krebs,

 BW> You've got the right number; we were using Steve Tibbet's BBX....
 BW> recently,
 BW> the HD on the BBS machine filled up, and BBX went right out of it's
 BW> gourd.
 BW> Lost messages, screwed up message headers, crashed, generally had a
 BW> heyday.

 BW> We've shut down the BBS and reformatted the HD (which was trashed in
 BW> a
 BW> major way; we're currently waiting for DLG pro (I think it's called)
 BW> which James Hastings-Trew sorta convinced me we should be using; we
 BW> sent
 BW> the fund$ for it about two-three weeks ago, but have yet to receive
 BW> the BBS software itself. As soon as it arrives, we'll be back online,
 BW> all fresh and brandy new.

 BW> Sorry for the inconvenience. :^(                         --Ben

Hang in there Ben.... We are in the process of moving the company from
nasty, cold, repressive, socialistic Saskatchewan to free, entreprenurial,
capitalistic, low-taxes Alberta. All orders are in, but we await the final
bureaucratic paper work on the necessary business licenses, bank accounts,
etc. etc.

If you have not got anything REAL soon, I will personally make sure a
package is sent to you right away...


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: pk-asdg@cup.portal.com (Perry S Kivolowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Press Release/Babylon 5 Info/MorphPlus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:14:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Kevin J. Taddeucci says:

>> ASDG  SETS  SHIP  DATE  FOR  STATE-OF-THE-ART  AMIGA(R) VISUAL EFFECTS
>> PACKAGE.  WINDOWS(R) VERSION ANNOUNCED.
>
> Saw this at WOC. All I can say is !!! FANTASTIC !!!
> 

Thank you Kevin. What you saw on the video tape was produced with software
that was weeks old. The finished product far exceeds the capabilities you 
saw. 

On Friday night, at the close-of-show, we held a press conference at
which the vice president of The Post Group, the largest post production
company in the world, spoke on our behalf. He said that he had the two
other morphing program now available. And he chose ours, which he received
last, as the best choice for professional needs.

He cited the speed difference (immense), the ease of use (much easier),
and the precision (he mentioned that with MorphPlus you could match
individual hairs if you wanted to).

In a very short time (October 1st), our product will be shipped.
You'll be able to judge the veracity of his remarks for yourself.

And we look forward to the public's critical response.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Subject: Re: REAL3D => Reality
Keywords: n
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:48:51 GMT


Hard to tell. I own (i.e. originals) Real3D, Draw4D Pro, Imagine, and 
Caligari 2 (yech) and I use Real3D all the time (the 68040 helps though
and if I did not have such a board, I would stay with Draw4D Pro), and
I mean ALL the time. I wouldn't want to stick my foot in my mouth by
saying that whatever the upgrade cost, I will pay it, but I really
believe that the program deserves the enthusiasm it receives from its
users. And version 2 (besides the name change, which I did not know about
 - Thanks) will be more than just a simple upgrade. How about the following
specs:

	As many view windows as you desire, each with its own scaling, 
	orientation and point of view;

	+ an extra window in which a Forth interpreter awaits your
	object creation/manipulation commands

	+ particle animation;

	+ spline paths for object creation and animation;

	+ a totally new movement path definition system;

	+ faster rendering (although I wish they would give
	us selective ray-tracing a la Lightwave II to speed
	up rendering times);

	and more...

I log on every day on their support BBS and will upload the official
product announcement as soon as it is released. Version 2 should be
available as of December 1st if I remember correctly.

Alex.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 18:58:14 CDT
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: interlacing the pointer

I believe I remember a program being mentioned awhile ago that would put the
mouse pointer in interlace mode.  Is there such a thing?  If there is please
let me know because I'm getting really sick of looking at the blocky pointer
that I have right now under 2.0.  Thanks much.

Jason Kratz - U28037@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU
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From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:38:29 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <David_Corn.0co1@fcircus.sat.tx.us> David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn) writes:
>
>You can't go from a II, IIx, IIfx to a Quadra. Moreover, going from a IIci
>to a Quadra 700 is not cost effective.
>
>Philip McDunnough
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu

>Philip, you need to check with Apple.  Right in front of me I have a
>spec sheet from Apple.  The IIci or IIcx can go straight to the Quadra. 
>Cost?  $2600.  For 24 bit color and a superfast 040, that isn't too bad.
<
>David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us
>.. david corn ...

No, that price is not too bad.  But what if the owner of a Mac 128, Fat Mac, 
Mac Plus, Mac SE, Mac Classic, Mac Classic II, Mac LC, Mac LCII, Mac IIsi, M
ac XL, Lisa, Mac Portable, PowerBook, Apple ][, ][+, //e, //c, //c+, //GS, 
or any other model that I've forgotten wants to upgrade to a Quadra?  Under
C='s PowerUp program, the owner of any C= computer can purchase an Amiga for
a reduced price.  Can I take the cover of my old Apple ][ owner's manual to
the local Apple dealer and get a great deal on a Quadra?

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: rend24.... jpeg???
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:20:45 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <1992Sep8.013902.19902@cbnews.cb.att.com>, itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
|> In article <65416@cup.portal.com>, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
|> > >
[...]
|> Thanks Harv.
|> 
|> I'm calling it from a shell.  I'm missing rexxarplib.library that is
|> needed for the front end interface - any hints on where to find it?

 Hm. Never heard of that library before, i don't think i have it,
 anyway rend24 runs on my machine.


|> 
|> I've only tried one jpeg file.  I'll try some others to see if that makes
|> a difference.  BTW, I'm getting the jpegs from ftp sites....

 Any standard JPEG worked on me, even those generated by ADPro or
 Hamlab.

|> 
|> 
|> Rich...
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 I have another question to rend24 (I have rend24 104f):

 When i display a picture (HAM Mode) the screen does not open from the top.
 The TopEdge is moved to the bottom. It looks like that the author tries
 to center the image, but rather than to that on the screen itself, he does 
 it with the screen. I see no way how to disable that.

 Another thing i encountered, many Gif-Pictures couldn't be displayed correctly,
 i believe all those GIF's with the GIF89 rather than the GIF87 header,
 but i couldn't check that out yet.

 Anyway, does anybody knows the EMail-Adress of Thomas Krehbiel (the author) ?
 He mentions that he likes to answer via EMail, but his Adress is missing.
 At least, i don't know how to get access to someone on the BIX on Internet.
 The EMail is supposed to be "tkrehbiel" on BIX.

 Give Rend24 a chance :) Though, compared to Hamlab it has some disadvantages,
 it's nice.
 
 Thanx, Markus. 

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From: carl@lochness.DAB.GE.COM (Carl Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: viewing .gl animation files
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:29:45 GMT
Organization: General Electric SCSD, Daytona Beach FL

Hi,
    Can someone out there please tell me if there are 
any tools out there to .gl animation files on the amiga?
And if not, is there a way to convert them to amiga format
animation files.

					Thanks
					Carl Wilson
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:31:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep13.063118.13528
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <2bwn6wj@lynx.unm.edu> kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:
>
>I wouldn't go spreading stuff like that. From Amazing computing, 
>the only thing that has been reported, as a rumor, 
>is CBM is thinking about releasing a 640x480 8-bit 
>graphics chip for the Amigas. I can believe that. 
>CBM has never made moves like the one you suggest and 
>they probably never will. 

   His information was accurate (except they are 1.76MB drives, not 880k).
See the official Commodore press releases in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, or
on BIX in amiga.user/news.dev.


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From: David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:39:26 GMT
Organization: The Flying Circus BBS, San Antonio, TX
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.23 (Sep 12 1992)


/
        Upgrading a factory shipped IIci to the equivelent a Quadra, and
	upgrading a factory shipped IIcx to the equivelent of a IIci,
then upgrading
that to the equivelent of a Quadra are *NOT* the same things.

 ---

Huh?  One upgrades from the IIcx (the older, 16 mhz model) straight to
the Quadra.  No other swapping is done.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.graphics
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Subject: Re: Info wanted about Hash Enterprises: Will WIntons Playmation
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 07:49:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <DgPyqB1w165w@micromed.com> diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld) writes:
>her@compel.UUCP (Helge Egelund Rasmussen) writes:
>
>> I just received a newsletter from Impulse where they describe a
>> new product from Hash Enterprises called "Will Wintons playmation".
>> Apparently it looks somewhat like Imagine, but uses spline
>> modelling.
>> 
>> Does anyone know more about this new product?
>> 
>> What is the difference between this product and Journeyman?
>> 
>> Helge
>> ---
>> Helge E. Rasmussen  .  PHONE + 45 36 72 33 00  .  E-mail:  her@compel.dk
>> Compel A/S          .  FAX   + 45 36 72 43 00  .  
>> Copenhagen, Denmark
>
>From the ads, Playmation for the PC lokks like a port from Journeyman 
>(they show the same sample files). I hope the PC version renders to a 
>higher resolution than the sample files I saw on the Amiga.
>
>-- 
>diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)

the Amiga version will probably do it to higher resolutions 
too. It isn't impossible to implement. Some things are just 
not implemented for business reasons. I think it is silly 
when a company raises the price of something just becuase they 
increased the resolution of rendering. The only difference 
is how many bits you choose to use and the 
data strcutures you implemented.  

Coputer Users in general will get wiser about judging programs. 

I don't think many really critically think about their software. 

On PC's users think about compatibility of software, 
hardware compatibility, etc. But the amiga users I know 
lack good criteria, they just go by what is obvious 
to them, but they are ignorant about actual capabilities. 

Right now, I think the PC's could very well beat the living hell out 
of the Amiga's, but I might as well not say anything becuase     

1. I'll be flamed like hell.

2. I'll get yeahs from PC users (which I'm not to happy to get). 

3. I'll get ignored and excommunicated by users who wish to cut 
   out other posibilities that are feasible and cheaper.

4. This isn't Amiga.advocacy. 

5. I'm wasting my time on people that refuse to change.

Well see ya.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: CBM Discusses Future Amigas
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:26:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.180411.90091@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>        I have only 1 thing to say re: Amiga + RISC.
>
>        Please, please, please, please, please, please, ALPHA!
>        (although MC88x00 is the more obvious option).

Forget it. Alpha is little-endian. It's one thing to merely have to
recompile. It's another to render all data unusable.

I think its too bad that Alpha isn't big/little-endian switchable
like the MIPS.

No, my preference would be HP's PA-RISC or IBM's RS/6000 risc chip.

Regards,
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:44:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BuH7p5.6n5@chinet.chi.il.us> katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.123339.16787@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes:
>>In article <2bwn6wj@lynx.unm.edu> kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep11.201126.29937@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>>>>Well, for what it's worth, I just got this info from a local dealer.  He
>>>>had just received the info via fax (circa 2:30pm eastern time).
>>>>
>[ A bunch of stuff deleted]
>
>>
>>My only correction is that it will do a little over 262,000 colors in high
>>res HAM8 from a pallete of 16.7 million--not 256,000 colors :)
>>
>>
>
>  In the interest of fairness and balance - almost any not-totally-stripped
>486 based PC clone will come with a super-VGA or better video card. The low
>end will have a card like the Diamond SpeedStar that can do 32,000 colors
>from a 16-million color pallette, and the high end will have a Diamond 
>SpeedStar 24X that can do true 24-bit color at 800 x 600 or 16 color at
>1024 x 1280. 
>
>   Hey, I love my Amiga too, but lets keep the facts straight.
>
>>This machine is using the same CPU technology as the Mac Quadra 9000--with
>>better sound and practically as good vide FOR A THIRD OF THE PRICE!!!!!
>
>   It's silly to compare the 4000 to a Quadra 900. Apple machine are always
>overpriced. A more realistic comparison would be to a 486-33 or 50 with a
>high-color board running windows. Sure Windows is a buggy kluge, but there is
>a lot of wonderful software available on Windows.
>
>                                  Chris Williams
>                                    katefans@chinet.chi.il.us


No, it is not silly to compare the Amiga to the Mac.  Both machines use
the same processor.  Both machines were designed from the ground up to
integrate a GUI into the native architecture/OS.  And the main reason for
comparing the two is the fact that the machines are only made by 1 company.
PC prices will always be lower, because everyone makes them.  Apple is a
gigantic company and only charges completely outrageous prices because they 
have
 condiditoned their customers to expect high prices.  Commodore by comparison 
is a very small company that just introduced a machine with the same level
of technology as the Quadras, for 1/3 of the price.

So SVGA can do 16 colors in 800X600 or 1024X768, the new AGA chipset can
do 256,000 in *ANY* resolution--up to 1200X400.  Plus, the hardware is
designed around the AGA chipset, so the throughput of the machine is better
than what can get by using an SVGA card.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:07:21 PDT

In article <1992Sep13.195348.25807@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bdnee@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Bandes Dessinee) writes:
>You know, I love my amigas, particularly my a3000, but Commodore's REALLY starting to piss me off here.  
>What I don't understand in all of this is howcome there can't be some sort of
>motherboard replacement?  I'm no engineer, so there's probably a very simple
>reason that i just don't get, but couldn't it be done?
>So much for Gold Service, eh? 
>Time to stop buying Commodore products, i think, unless they get their act
>together and start treating their userbase decently.
>	 			Charley

This is the sort of ill considered garbage that prevents some companies
from changing and growing with the times.  Your machine is NOT any
more useless this month than last, just because some new graphic
modes exist on a new machine, your machine will continue
to be strongly supported, but some folks will be able to get
better graphics with the new machines, and you begrudge them this?
I imagine C= will have some sort of power up deal for existing
users, time marches on in the computer world, and I would
rather have it march on then sit still until users like you
decide it is OK for C= to move on!

-Roger
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From: cl129502@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: 4000:  Is it so great?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:12:05 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Do you ever wonder why the Amiga has always offered hardware options to allow
it to emulate a PC, while the IBM has never had this option for their machines? 
The answer is because the IBM is a better machine than the Amiga.  Commodore
is now releasing their new 4000, claiming its so great.  Well, right now you
can buy a 486 DX 50 MHz PC for under $3000 with 24 bit color.  Or a 66 MHz for
about the same price.  All this plus incredible third party support and a user
base that makes the Amiga's look like Downhome, USA compared to New York City. 
Another big thing in the Amiga community is its multitasking.  Well, OS/2 has
been out for the IBM for a while now, and Desqview even longer.  It seems to me
that CBM is trying to just catch up to the high echelon that the IBM is
currently residing at.  I used to own an Amiga, so I know what I'm talking
about, and when I say the Amiga crashes a lot, I'm not kidding.  I remember
being on that computer many times and seeing that infamous "Guru Meditation
Error" and now being on my IBM compatible and thinking "Whats all the fuss
about?"  Seriously folks, face the facts:  The Amiga is still a couple of steps
back on the evolution scale, and just losing ground.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: Can somebody PLEASE tell me about the A4000 !
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 08:47:42 GMT

Suddenly I'm seeing lots of posts about the A4000!

I can take it for these that the mythical beast has finally appeared.

Can some nice person with the REAL spec. please email it to me! I am
hanging out to see what it's got under the hood!

Thanks in advance

-- 
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* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
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* CSIRO Australia *  "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"       *
From: diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 05:26:21 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

> SpeedStar 24X that can do true 24-bit color at 800 x 600 or 16 color at
> 1024 x 1280. 
> 
> 

Just a slight correction. I have the Diamond Speedstar 24X. There is only 
a $20 difference between that and the Speedstar. I wouldn't use the term 
high end inplying more expensive. Anyway, it displays 16.7 million colors 
only at 640x480. At 800x600, it displays 32k colors. Still the best card 
for the money. I use it to display my Imagine renderings in 24bit at 
640x480. The stock Amiga can't do that!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:
>  Actually, there is not much difference between the A3000 and A4000.
>  Sure, IDE, but that isn't a concern here.
>
>  The datapath (BUS) to the ECS chipset on an A3000 is indeed 32bit.
>  However, the sockets for the ECS chips are 16bit.  You cannot plug
>  a 32bit chip in a 16bit socket.  Because of the shape/size/amount
>  of the new chips, it is impossilbe to replace the sockets.  It just
>  isn't possilbe physically.

How many times do we have to say this:  The CHIP RAM in the A3000 is
16-bit from the custom chip side.  Gary does some magic to make the
A3000 CPU see it as 32-bit wide memory.  This does *not* mean that
any of the hardware on the custom chip side of things is 32-bit.  Infact,
it is not; it is 16-bit.

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