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From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Headlights and driving lights
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:55:28 GMT
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division

In article <115@midab.se>, kjell@midab.se (Kjell Kristiansson) writes:
> silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver) writes:
> 
> Here in Sweden, Europe, your not allowd to have foglight etc lighted
> together with your driving lights. If you switch your foglights on
> your headlight have to go out automaticly. Why? If you have both on
> at the same time it gives too much light and blinds oncoming drivers
> for too long.
> 

Yet another example were Europe has a better idea.  In the USA, you'll get
a ticket if you try driving around with fog lights on and headlights off.
Not much point in having/using fog lights when the headlights are on,
because it's the headlights that prevent you from seeing in the fog.

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From: ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ed Reddy)
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:31:57 GMT

In article <16590@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>
>I agree, I have fog lights and I use them in the FOG.  They are not
>driving lights!  It drives me nuts to see some people driving down the
>road on a clear night with their fog lights on!  they are too bright to
>be used normally!
>
>Besides if you only use them in the fog, they last a lot longer...:-)
>
>Tom Pickett 

I had a VW Jetta with 110w fog lamps. I had them mounted on the bumper
in between the headlights. All you do is angle them down a bit, and
presto, not only does your lighting increase, but your front lighted
area is much brighter. Also, fog lamps get the sides as well (They were
Boshe). Drivers used to complain all the time when I pass them if I had
them on when they were angles normally. As soon as I angled them down,
no complaints.
 
A thing to remember about fog, it closes in on the sides of your view.
Not your extension. The Focal point of your headlamps will usually still
be visible. (Unless it's pea soup). With fog lamps angled ahead, instead
of down, the focal point is directly into the fog. And that makes
use of fog lamps pointless because you see less with them on.
Pointing them down removes all these problems. Even in pea soup...
 
ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Illegal Radar Jammers -- Legal for a ham?
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:58:01 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan20.222254.16041@microware.com> adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg) writes:
>I just read the FAQ for the rec.autos hierarchy--and it says (rightly
>so) that radar jammers are illegal (in the US).
>
>But a ham once told me that if you have a particular type of ham
>license (which allows use of any bandwidth [does this exist?]) then a
>jammer would be legal for use by that person.
>
>Is this true? Does anyone have a definitive answer?

Maybe so... but regardless:

Using transmitted signals to obstruct a duly appointed law enforcement
officer would in effect be an obstruction of justice under most state
laws.

In federal law, I assume there to be a similar statute with regard to 
willfully interfereing with radio signals...

Just because you can legally transmit, doesn't mean you can interfere.

As the only purpose in having a jammer, (in any judges view...) would be
to interfere with police signals....

Draw your own conclusions.


>Adam G.
>adamg@microware.com, or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
>The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
>statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: Headlights and driving lights 
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:46:57 GMT

Sayeth bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw):
$In <i3qmXB10w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
$>You many be confusing driving lights with fog lights. Driving lights
$>are, indeed, high-intensity lights pretty much as you describe. What you
$>see most of the time in those low-bumper installation is actually fog
$>lamps, which spread their light out wide and direct most of it down at
$>the ground close to the car.
$Usually, the fog lights have amber lenses, but I'll agree that many
$of these new styling jobbies are not *real* driving lights.

   Around here, amber fog lights are rare, and with more and more
car manufacturers building white fog lights into their bumpers on
high-end equipment packages, they're getting more and more rare.
A typical car in this part of the world (Toronto) with added lights
has white fogs.
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From: kjell@midab.se (Kjell Kristiansson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Carlights in Norway
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:41
Organization: Midab Data AB, Sweden

pakar@jyu.fi (Petri A Karonen) writes:

>In the German autobahns it is strictly forbidden to use headlights
>during daylight. I think one reason for this is to make braking lights
>more visible. When driving 250kph it is very useful to see as quickly
>as possible if somebody is braking in front of you! 

Are You shure?? Never heard it even thou I drive thru/in Germany several
times a year and have for the last 25 years. I alwas drive with my
lights on, have been stopped by police, talked to them, but they have
never mentioned it.

>Using headlights in daylight is useful only on two-lane roads where the
>lights help to see the oncoming traffic, on multi-lane freeways they are
>useless and even dangerous.

Your very wrong here. I've been driving >100.000 kms on german "Autobahn"
during the years. The biggest danger, next to "Staus" is cars coming
up from behind that You don't see (dark car, no lights, doing >250).

I normally drive around 150 (sometimes faster, 230-240, but only when the
road is free or has three lanes). When you then come up to a lorry (truck)
doing around 100 and you have to pass, you really have to be shure no one
is coming up from behind doing >250. If he has his lights on that really helps.

How having your lights on can reduce seeing breakinglights ahead of you
I really don't understand. (except at dusk when the lanes are wet)


Kjell

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From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:55:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.corp.hp.com

In article <1993Jan21.085305.14965@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>i have a '90 acura integra which has fog lamps.
>the fog lamps have clear lenses and are mounted
>next to the headlamps.

I think Honda made a mistake when they placed the Integra's fog
lamps right next to the headlamps and didn't make their lenses
amber.  A lot of times when I see MkII Integras with their fogs
on, they look like driving lamps instead of foglights.  They
don't appear to point down towards the ground either.  In any
event, fog lights should be lower and Honda should have placed
them within the air scoop below the bumper.  But, what do I know?


Ken
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Fun with toll people
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:41:33 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1993Jan27.104807.2200@walter.cray.com> dilmore@eastrg2.cray.com (Robert James Dilmore) writes:
>
>   On our families trip back from Whistler BC, we had a whole 
>pocketful of mints and candies from all the restaraunts we had
>eaten at. I got the silly idea to start handing them out to all
>the NY,NJ,DEL tollkeepers. The responses were excellent. Some
>were down right confused, some smiled big time and actually
>became real people and said "Thank you very much". Going through
>Delaware was great there are about 5 toll booths. We even
>experimented with trying to greet the toll keeper without the
>mint and with the mint, without the mint got us no reply at all.
>Try it sometime, beats counting pididles.

And for the adventurers, substitute 'candy' with 'laxative candy'...

(after spending 2 hours for 10 or so miles in Chicago, most of it
waiting to merge in/out of tollbooths (every 2-3 miles) the punishment
fits the crime quite well :-))

(insert plenty of smilies :-)

Spiros


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards)
Subject: Jammers for sale!!!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:30:22 GMT

My apologies for entering the end of this discussion, but
I disbelieved all of the claims of legitimacy that radar
jammer makers had.  Has anyone bought one of these yet?
The reason I'm interested is that two different models
were advertised in the back of (MT?) recently.  One
was only 90$ as an introductory offer, the other was
around 200$.  I'm tempted to try the cheaper one, any
donations out there for a complete report?  :)


	Adam
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Carlights in Norway
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:00:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.233615.24973@jyu.fi> pakar@jyu.fi (Petri A Karonen) writes:
>>>	In my (and many others) opinion, driving with the lights on all day 
>>>and night, summer and winter is the best solution. It helps a lot if you 
>>>for example meet a car, and you have the sun right into your eyes, and as 
>>>usual, a very dirty and scratched front-screen. I guess you know how it's 
>>>like. The same rules are in practise in Sweden and a lot of other North-
>>>European contries. I don't know how things are in USA, but I guess there are 
>>>different rules in different states.
>>
>>We have the same system in Canada, and you're right, it really is the best
>>solution. All new cars have had to have daytime running lights since November,
>>1989, and when I drive a car that doesn't have automatic lights, I turn them
>>on myself.
>>
>In the German autobahns it is strictly forbidden to use headlights
>during daylight. I think one reason for this is to make braking lights
>more visible. When driving 250kph it is very useful to see as quickly
>as possible if somebody is braking in front of you! 

I live part of the year in Wiesbaden (near Frankfurt aM) and have driven in
Europe for quite a while. Never once have I heard that lights during the day
are forbidden on autobahns. The problem with driving with headlights in
Germany is that drivers ahead of you think you're being purposely annoying in
order to get them to pull over faster, instead of following tradition, which 
is to flash lights, or turn on the left turn signal. Very rarely will you see
someone driving 250 km/h, or get up to anything over 200, because of traffic.
I don't think having your headlights on affects visibility of brake lights,
especially on cars with a brake light in the rear window as all North American
cars and many new European cars do.

>Using headlights in daylight is useful only on two-lane roads where the
>lights help to see the oncoming traffic, on multi-lane freeways they are
>useless and even dangerous.

Not dangerous. Perhaps not as useful, especially on a sunny day, but when it
clouds over, you stand a much better chance of being seen in somebody's mirror
before they pull out to pass, if you've got lights on.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:54:48 GMT

In <1993Jan21.085305.14965@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:


>i have a '90 acura integra which has fog lamps.
>the fog lamps have clear lenses and are mounted
>next to the headlamps.  this past weekend, up
>in the reno area, i was driving with my fog lamps on
>(the better to see the surface of the road and through
>the snow).  a lot of oncoming drivers thought i had
>my brights on and flashed me, to which i replied by flashing
>my own brights.

>i know that my fog lamps don't produce much additional glare

Have you sat in the seat of a car, facing your integra with the
lamps on? I've seen similar integras here, and I wonder about
what you mean by *much additional glare*. The integra is after
all merely an updscale Honda, and as I've said before, Honda
can't design headlights worth sh*t.

>compared to my regular low beams, since they are aimed fairly low.
>but i'm getting tired of being flashed whenever i use my fog lamps
>and i thought about changing them to amber.  are there any
>replacement bulbs that would do this?

 If they are quartz halogen, I don't recall ever seeing any in the
stores. You might be able to find a clear amber plastic film or
plastic to put over that portion of the lamp system.

>thanks.
>-teddy

Bob.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: pakar@jyu.fi (Petri A Karonen)
Subject: Re: Carlights in Norway
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:36:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.173708.21679@julian.uwo.ca> morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>In article <audunds.1.727890513@dhhalden.no> audunds@dhhalden.no (AUDUN DJUV STIANSEN) writes:
>>	In my (and many others) opinion, driving with the lights on all day 
>>and night, summer and winter is the best solution. It helps a lot if you 
>>for example meet a car, and you have the sun right into your eyes, and as 
>>usual, a very dirty and scratched front-screen. I guess you know how it's 
>>like. The same rules are in practise in Sweden and a lot of other North-
>>European contries. I don't know how things are in USA, but I guess there are 
>>different rules in different states.
>
>We have the same system in Canada, and you're right, it really is the best
>solution. All new cars have had to have daytime running lights since November,
>1989, and when I drive a car that doesn't have automatic lights, I turn them
>on myself.
>
>-- Brent
>morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
>

In the German autobahns it is strictly forbidden to use headlights
during daylight. I think one reason for this is to make braking lights
more visible. When driving 250kph it is very useful to see as quickly
as possible if somebody is braking in front of you! 
Using headlights in daylight is useful only on two-lane roads where the
lights help to see the oncoming traffic, on multi-lane freeways they are
useless and even dangerous.

Pete

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From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:44:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.055406.10248@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.170831.8474@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>>In a previous article tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) spake...
>>>
>>>[stuff deleted]
>>>i know that my fog lamps don't produce much additional glare
>>>compared to my regular low beams, since they are aimed fairly low.
>>>but i'm getting tired of being flashed whenever i use my fog lamps
>>>and i thought about changing them to amber.  are there any
>>>replacement bulbs that would do this?
>>>
>>
>>Turn 'em off. These damn fog lights are nothing but a glaring pain in the ass
>>to other drivers on the road (Amber or otherwise) especially since people who
>>have them seem to drive with 'em on weather or not there's fog. If there IS
>>fog, then please, use the lights (as they were meant). Otherwise get used to
>>other drivers flashing their brights at you. Sorry, but I really hate these
>>lights (as much as those blinding strobe lights that some cars use as turn
>>signals).
>>-- 
>
>Fog lamps, when they are set up properly should not produce additional glare.
>I have installed several sets on various vehicles, and always, the beams are
>adjusted so that at 25ft they project just below the actual height of the
>lamps.  They are pretty much useless, if they are adjusted any higher, as they
>will just through glare back in the drivers face.  And yes, I keep them on even
>in no fog.  So flash away, I'll just flash back.
>
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      Like the man said, if they are adjusted properly there is no
    additional glare. Besides if they are flashing there lights at
    you it is pretty clear that they see you,so just maybe the damned
    fools might not pull out in front of you.
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: I'll have a PBJ please.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:55:04 EST
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

> >Having worked for an insurance company, I can tell you in no uncertain
> >terms that private car insurance is not profitable at all; most
> >companies sell it only because it is required if they wish to sell
> >other, more profitable lines, within the same state.
> 
> In article <1993Jan23.061209.26866@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
> 
> >question: when you say "not profitable at all, does that include
> >the money they make by investing the premiums collected?
> 
> Just the question I was gonna ask...."Voodoo" accounting can work wonders.
> I don't buy it.

Well... I was in the IS side of the business, but got a very good feel
for it over the years. I have no vested interest in making false claims;
I don't even own stock in an insurance company right now.

For one thing, the market is extremely competitive; a guy who thinks
nothing of plunking down $30 grand on a toyota will make 50 phone calls
trying to find a premium $40/yr cheaper.

The regulations are very complex, and vary greatly from one state to
another. We installed a system which used a database of over 60mb of
state regulations to assist underwriters in putting together valid
poilicies.

Auto claims are the worst; a $500 fender-bender can generate inches of
paperwork, abusive phone calls from customers claiming that the body rot
on their '67 chevy only appeared after the accident last week, and
they're going to need 6 months of chiropractic care from a 3mph
impact. (Ask me about chiropractors, too; they make lawyers look honest)

Fraud: Not even workers' comp has the level of fraud seen in the
consumer auto market. California estimates that almost half of the
damages claimed in auto accidents are fraudulent. Other states see
similar numbers.



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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: I'll have a PBJ please.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:50:39 EST
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

> In article <s6VqXB2w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) w
> >Having worked for an insurance company, I can tell you in no uncertain
> >terms that private car insurance is not profitable at all; most
> >companies sell it only because it is required if they wish to sell
> >other, more profitable lines, within the same state.
> 
> question: when you say "not profitable at all, does that include
> the money they make by investing the premiums collected?

I mean not profitable in the sense that often the premiums are not
enough to cover claims; any profits from investing the premiums are
minimal, and not worth the effort involved with having to handle
the consumer market.


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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:26:14 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1993Jan21.170831.8474@netcom.com>, linley@netcom.com (Bruce James 
Robrert Linley) writes:
> Turn 'em off. These damn fog lights are nothing but a glaring pain in the 
ass
> to other drivers on the road (Amber or otherwise) especially since people 
who
> have them seem to drive with 'em on weather or not there's fog. If there IS
> fog, then please, use the lights (as they were meant). Otherwise get used to
> other drivers flashing their brights at you. Sorry, but I really hate these
> lights (as much as those blinding strobe lights that some cars use as turn
> signals).
> -- 


I agree, I have fog lights and I use them in the FOG.  They are not
driving lights!  It drives me nuts to see some people driving down the
road on a clear night with their fog lights on!  they are too bright to
be used normally!

Besides if you only use them in the fog, they last a lot longer...:-)




Tom Pickett 
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