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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: ALL ARGUMENTS FOR PRO-CHOICE REFUTED HERE!!!!!
Keywords: skuttle1#$
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:21:22 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.abortion, ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>This is a response to a response to my rather long pro-life posting.  Brian
Read mine, I realize it was rather long, but at least you're responding.
You'll like mine less, because I did respond with specific figures,
data, and corrected viewpoints. And I agree with Brian that the entire
thing was pretty much a blatant assertion followed by blatant assertion,
with what figures provided being used oncorrectly, or misrepresented,
or being incomplete. I also posted references for those figures I provided,
unlike you, as I've collected them over the time I've been in t.a. I've
also included some person testaments, which, if nothing else, at least
you won't be able to deny that there are people who'll risk death (suicide)
rather than be pregnant, and that late term abortions are, sometimes,
necessary. If not, you'll come across as a person with the heart of
Ivan the Terrible, or Ghengis Khan, or a toture specialist from the
orient.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: zeus@aero.org (Dave Suess)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Useful Delimiters of the Debate [what pregnant woman?]
Date: 9 Oct 1992 07:13:06 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org
Summary: Look! A fetus! oops, it's a pregnant woman. Didn't see her at first.
Keywords: forced childbirth

In article <Oct09.001443.71852@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
	 sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:

>	Anyway, birth is arbitrary.  If you can set the mark at
>birth, someone else can set it at "being a member of the Master
>Race."  There is no difference.

	Forgot that pesky pregnant woman, eh?  Is that what a
	"useful delimiter of the debate" is all about?  Delete
	the pregnant woman from the situation and the pro-choice
	position disappears, after all.
				Dave Suess	zeus@aerospace.aero.org


Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.activism,talk.politics.guns,alt.peeves
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Scary things that Crawl OUT of the Net...
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:07:59 GMT

peterd@polari.online.com writes:
] nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
] >In article <1050@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
] >>-- 
] >>orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
] 
] >I would like to remind everyone that the NRA takes no opinion on the 
] >issue of abortion and confines its efforts to the second amendment.
] 
] Ah - but does the NRA support the unborn's right to own firearms,
] THAT is the true question.
] 
] chus
] peterd


Waddelling Toady of Revisionism!

Oh LimpWristedFloppyGripperOfWheelGuns!

You Know as well as I do that the SkumOfTheEarthWimpLiberals
wish to Limit the Constitution of the United States SOLELY
to those persons Born or Naturalized!!!!!

It is Rampant Revisionism like that which stands in the
way of our Clear Mainfest Destiny!!!!!

ciao
drieux


ObPeeve: having to admit that Her Peter is Bigger
than My Peter....

and worse YET his embarring Disgusting Habit of grabbing
a barret 0.50 cal like some PinkoRedMenanceGodLessCommunisticAtheisticSwine!!!

Oh the shame of it all.....


pps: will send camara soonest I am able to do same,
please also remit by post the Janes....






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From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.birthright
Subject: Re: Don't just whine about media bias. Do something!
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:20:40 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu

From article <1992Sep30.231911.28243@jetsun.weitek.COM>, by nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf):
>>>Let's face it, the ONLY fail-safe birth control known is abstainence.  
>>>If 'she' chooses to use a form which is less reliable, that's her fault.
> 
> Thanks. Obviously Christianity is the biggest fraud on the planet if
> the above statement is true. So who was screwing Mary?

Hey, Mary was perfectly free to say "No", as has been pointed out to
you before.  Anyone interested may read the first chapter of Luke. 
She most specifically CHOSE to say "Yes!"

S. Forgach
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Ok, So booth Really is a Nazi Fan?
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:10:27 GMT

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
]
] Well, actually my aim is very similar to Orwell's-- I plan to depict this
] New Order Party being elected by the people out of desparation.  The people
] are so sick of one type of extremeism, they accept another form of it
] without even noticing.  Extremism breeds extremism from the other side.
] I plan to demonstrate that such system might come to power if Liberal
] extremism runs unchecked.  Ever read about how Hitler was elected??
] Germany was in a state of anarchy, the Nazis were seen as the only alternative.


You really do need to clarify this....

Your Fantasies about JackBootedFascism Run Rampant
in the Street Napalming ProChoicers is your way
of Saying:

1. this is a Good Thing, and Clear Proof that Abortion Should be Outlawed.

2. Not Really the American Way of Doing Things, and I Deeply and
sincerely Apologize to all the Veterans OUT there who have 
valiantly defended the ramparts of Freedom from the Likes of the Fascist
Scum who make up the AntiAbortionist Ranks and wish to 
Undermine the American Way of Life.


ciao
drieux

ps: You might also try to learn a little bit about History,
and Literature, and those College type things....



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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: You Damn Liberal Types...
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:07:13 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
] 
] This is patently absurd.  The risks of pregnancy are well known and have
] been for generations.  If two or three doctors agree that the woman is
] at risk of dying than an abortion is called for.  Otherwise it is murder.


I really wish that you liberal types would make up your mind.

I thought that the GOP platform clearly outlined that
Abortion was MURDER, PERIOD.

ciao
drieux

ps: Now that I think about it, PERIOD is Murder too....
That Poor Potential Person sluffed off by some uncaring woman....


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: Suzanne-lucia.Demitrio@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Suzanne-lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: Doctors Assisting Suicide
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: talk
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.085016.15276@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> 
z3ij@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>What is wrong with allowing a doctor to assist somebody in commiting suicide?
>
>As I understand it, suicide is still illegal in this cuontry, and still
>classified as murder.  

No, it's not, if my memory of *Let Me Die Before I Wake* (the Hemlock
Society resource book) serves.  Even failed suicide attempts can't
be prosecuted.

> Therefore anybody assisting in a suicide is assisting 
>a murder.  And that is illegal too. 

But assisting someone else in committing suicide is still illegal.

>M.S.Hiranandani

Suzanne Lucia.


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: best@anasazi.com (Mike Best)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:30:23 GMT

In article <QeqQIZm00WBOA3Z8Zz@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>= You people are so twisted!  You think that never having a life is better 
>= than being abused in your life!
>= Ted
>
>A question. If a child has been beaten for it's entire life until the age
>of 5 where it is beaten to death, do you think that it's better to force 
>the mother to have that child so it can end in death 5 years later? 

The potential for child abuse exists for every child.  Perhaps you could
come up with something like the Richter scale to determine the relative
probability that an unborn child would be abused.  Then the parents (of 
course by this I do mean the mother alone) would be able to determine 
the best choice for the child - life or death.

>This is yet another reason why I think there shouldn't be any legislation 
>on abortion. It's a moral issue not a political one. To me there's no 
>difference in killing the child in the womb or at the age of 5. But the
>parent that beats the child has done more grevious harm to it than if it
>had been aborted in the first place. I don't think either is right. What's
>a person supposed to think when faced with a situation like this? It's a
>moral judgement that leads people to one conclusion or the other. And I 
>think it should stay a moral issue, and not be in politics.

Wow, no difference between killing a unborn child or a child of 5?  I think
your antagonist was correct, you are defending a twisted position.  This is
what is so amusing about the pro-choice arguments, they have to argue an
incredibly difficult position.  

I wonder if there has ever been a study done where citizens who were 
abused as children were asked if, given the choice, it would have been
better if they had not been born at all.  

Mike Best
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Re: I had an abortion two days ago
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.110309.14186@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes ...
>>Well, I certainly do care about human life, born and unborn.  Whether
>>you believe that or not is another thing.  But I know what is in my
>>heart and what is in my head.  What is in my heart and what is in my
>>head cannot be wrong.
>
>Tell that to the black South Africans, and to the Jews, and to the
>Bosnians.  Ask the white South Africans, and the Nazis, and the Serbs
>if they were justified in their actions.  Ask them if they were
>wrong.
>
The Jews, Bosnians, Nazis, Serbs etc. were involved in some form of
genocide or the other whether it be doing the killing or being killed.  In
each case, the rights of each person to life was violated.  The rights
of the Nazis, etc. to have "wanted" humans took precedence over the
rights of the Jews, Catholics, etc. to live.  The Nazis, etc. actively
killed the Jews, etc. because they were perceived to have no right to life.


>>>>We know we are capable of killing other humans.  The question is, do we do 
>>>>so?
>>>
>>>Most people who do so are certain that they are justified in doing so.
>>>Do you feel certain that you are justified in risking the lives and
>>>health of women?
>>
>>I don't know about the 'hard cases' but as for the 98% abortion rate for
>>social reasons or so (which includes Birth control), human lives are
>>what matter.
>
>And 400 years ago souls were what mattered, and people were tortured,
>drowned, crushed, and burned alive in order to save their souls.
>

This has a religous side of things.  Did I mention anything about
religion?  No, I didn't.  I am not getting into a religious debate.  
Religious and nonreligious alike care for human lives.
From: smgarvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (susan garvin)
Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade (was Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:57:34 GMT



I'm laughing harder, DOD.  Local anesthesia does not sedate.

Susan
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Rasmussun you coward! (was: Pro-aborts who reduce women to fetal containers)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:18:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <1992Oct13.164224.13052@ncsu.edu> dsh@odin.uucp (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>Exactly!  If women were non-thinking, inanimate objects which simply
>housed a fetus, then they wouldn't be able to want an abortion. Therefore,
>it makes no sense to *ignore* the woman's reasons for wanting an abortion
>by focusing strictly on the fact that a fetus resides within the woman's
>body. To *ignore* the woman's reasons for wanting an abortion is to 
>treat her like a non-thinking, inanimate fetal container, which she 
>is not.  

Rasumssen, you coward, why don't you just be a man and stop with the
"Holtsinger" crap?  Its very evident that "Doug Holtsinger" is a false
front for a David Rasmussen, who after being ridiculed and boycotted, 
now does not even have the courage to admit to the world who he is.

David, I recognise your style. You even use the same "Exactly!" as
you did before. Its time to stop playing games.

>Doug Holtsinger

Eric
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: stop the presses, DearOldDoug joins the ProDeath Faction
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:14:24 GMT

dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
] In article <np1z5=h@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
] 
] > Excuse me, but shouldn't that be "a person has a _reasonable belief_
] > that they face an imminent and immediate threat"?
] 
] Yes.  Generally, a person is legally justified in using deadly force 
] against an attacker when they have a reasonable belief that they 
] face an imminent and immediate threat to their life.  

I am JUST Mystified!!!!!

How Does She Do it!

What Awesum Sex Appeal Does that Girl Have!!!!

She Has FINALLY been able to get Dear Old doug
to ADMIT that we can Kill Folks!!!!!!

ciao
drieux



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:43:59 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh 'O wau no me ka ha'a ha'a
 <1992Oct10.013251.9252@noao.edu> <lefty-121092131915@lefty.apple.com>

In article <lefty-121092131915@lefty.apple.com>, lefty@apple.com (Lefty) says:

>> Rush is on all over the country.

>Heh.  Enjoy him while he lasts.  The way things are looking right now, I
>give him about five weeks.

Thirteen million listeners, #1 best-seller, and a competitive late-night TV
show.  Where's he going to go?

You make it sound like Rush is Bush's running mate.  If Clinton is elected,
he'll have plenty of good material for his show, and his up-coming best-
seller (as he says it): "I Told You So".

>--
>Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
>C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: supporting allegations
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:24:38 GMT

In article <3pvz-!m@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>In article <-gvzp7g@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>>>And it is somewhat surprising that Eric would be "satisfied"
>>>with your evidence, given that Eric himself once stated that
>>>the only possible means of judging would be to produce the 
>>>letter in question (that would, of course, be the letter to the
>>>_mailing_list_) and let people judge for themselves whether it
>>>supported your claim.
>>That's not what I said. I said that I didn't think that Mr. Keegan
>>would be able to show that he had NOT made such a request without
>>producing the letter in question. Sorry you fail to recognize the
>>difference.
>So... The way I see it, both you AND CJ have made substantive allegations
>which are unsubstantiated. I think you should substantiate that you
>did not write such a mailing and that she should substantiate that you
>did. 
>----------------
>
>Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
What are you trying to say here? [Header deleted. I admit freely
to writing the text above.] I stand by my statement. How does
this say that "the only possible means of judging would be to produce
the letter in question"?


-Ekr


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.drugs
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Remember the slogan 'buy american' next time
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:42:40 GMT

alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:

] In article <1992Oct10.213107.6593@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] 
] >Notice also that the War on Drugs has driven the price of
] >a Kilo of cocaine down from $50,000, Under the Evil Socialist
] >Dominated Democratic Days, to a Mere $10,000 Under the Reagan-Bush
] >Administration.
] 
] 	True - and the new competative market has pushed to price and purity
] of heroin to new lows. 
] 
] 	Perhaps, but look at the price of Marijuana! They've taken to drug
] of choice for poor and middle class user and made it only accessable to
] people who can afford 200-300/oz. LSD - always a favorite with poor 
] intellectuals, has kept pace with inflation, but the potency has decreased
] rather severely.
] 
] 	Once again, the rich have prospered and the poor have suffered,
] directly as a result of Reagan policies. The upper classes have seen a 
] significant savings in what used to be a $1K/wk cocaine or heroin habit,
] but the poor smoker or acid head has had to hustle even harder to get the
] same high. It's a travesty of justice.


Well I hope folks think about this the next time
that a Patriotic God Fearing All American Farmer 
is Busted for Doing the Patriotic God Fearing All
American Duty of 'making it in America'!!!!!!

Let The 'means of production' go abroad, and do
not be surprised if in the long run the product
goes up in price as it is manipulated by 'Foreign Devils'!!!!!


ciao
drieux


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From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:24:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct9.014733.6876@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
#From article <9nnzwbm@rpi.edu>, by cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker):
## krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
## 
### No one is asking the baby.
## 
## D'you suppose there might be a _reason_ for that?
#
#Sure.  They're afraid they might not like the answer.

This must be more of Suzanne's New Age beliefs in action.
She honestly thinks that she can commune with zygotes.


Tell me, Suzanne, do you talk to them directly, or does
someone channel for you?

Susan
(Galen?  How about you?)


Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
Subject: Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:14:26 GMT

kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:

>In article <BvqDoF.M81@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>>In <1992Oct6.211859.11882@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>>varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes ...
>>>> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>>>>>Please take YOUR pencil and prepare to write...
>>>Try looking in the dictionary.
>>
>>	I have - my dictionary give the definition of murder as
>>"the killing of one human being by another". Given that a fetus is a human
>>being, and so is the mother, abortion is murder (or not depending on
>>what dictionary you use, and which definition you prescribe to). 

>How about the dictionary THE LAW generally adheres to?

>	Murder.  The unlawful killing of a human being by another with malice
>	aforethought, either express of implied.  State v. Hutter, 145 Neb.
>	798, 18 N.W.2d 203, 206.  Murder is the unlawful killing of a human
>	being, or fetus, with malice aforethought.  Cal.Penal Code, $ 187.
>	The crime is defined by statute in most states.  The Model Penal Code
>	definition is as follows:

>		Criminal homocide constitutes murder when: (a) it is 
>		committed purposely or knowingly, or (b) it is committed
>		recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme 
>		indifference to the value of human life.  Such recklessness 
>		and indifference are presumed if the actor is engaged or is
>		an accomplice in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, 
>		or flight after committing or attempting to commit robbery, 
>		rape or deviate sexual intercourse by force or threat of 
>		force, arson, burglary, kidnapping or felonious escape.  
>		Model Penal Code, $ 210.2.

>	(Black's, 5th Ed.)

>The elements missing, in the case of abortion, are "unlawful" (circularly), 
>and (in the vast majority of cases) "malice aforethought".

>								- Kevin

I posted the findings of a Minnesota court (1990?) in which a man was 
convicted of murdering a 28-day old fetus.  He had shot the mother in
the abdomen in the course of a store robbery.  He appealed on the grounds
that no person existed.  The court denied the appeal, saying that there
is no person if the woman decides to have an abortion, but there is
if the pregnancy is wanted.  Furthermore, the court said that the
law was clear, and no appeal on vagueness grounds could be entertained.

Steve Kellmeyer

Since I've posted this information at least once in the past, I'm not
posting it again.  If you want the details, see my old post on the
subject, or look it up yourself.          
-- 

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: Child (was: Walking down to the student center last night)
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:44:06 GMT

nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:

>> [the following definition from Merriam Webster's added back in]
>>
>>      child  n. 1a: an unborn or recently born human being:
>>                 Fetus, Infant, Baby.
>>

> Goody. Does this mean that a sperm cell or an ovum qualifies as a child
> if it might be fertilized in the future?

> (I'm going to claim tax exemptions for each and every one of my ova.)

I'm thinking about claiming tax exemptions for each and every one
of my spermatazoa.  Zowie!!!

(Of course, I'll have to come up with names for all them little critters.)

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