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From: Doug.Plaza@f413.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Plaza)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: news coverage NYC-EMS str
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 20:46:00 -0800

JS>In a message on <Dec 31 13:33>, Daniel Burstein of 1:343/94@fidonet
writes:


JS> DB> a quick transcript of the WWOR story on EMS stress


JS> DB> Reporter Joe Collum: Every day is an emotional roller coaster
JS> DB> ride for EMS workers.  With each call they must prepare for
JS> DB> disaster, but often find only false alarms.

JS>Topics like this have come up in the past.  I still feel if you can't
do the
JS>job you should not be there, period.  If a EMS worker is that
stressed out
JS>he/she is not doing him or herself or the patient any good being in
such a
JS>state.  Wow, doctors must really be super stressed out.  They have
people di
JS>on them when there are in surgery.

How long have you been involved in EMS?  In what capacity?  Where?

As a fulltime paramedic involved in EMS for over 10 years, I see your
comments as a sign of your ignorance.  Stress is a part of every EMS
professional's life.  Every human has their breaking point.  Maybe you
are superman only affected by cryptonite; or just think you are!  Part
of being a professional is recognizing that stress exists and learning
how to deal with it.  When a fellow EMS worker commits suicide, we are
all partly to blame because we failed to see that this person had a
problem and failed to provide the support and resourses to deal with
it.
Your type of attitude contributes to the feelings that if an emergency
services provider, be it EMS, fire or police, seeks help then that
person will be chastised as being unprofessional.  We all need to open
our eyes and provide our co-workers the same level of care that we
strive to give our patients.
     Members of our staff are part of the "Genesis" Critical Incident
Stress Debriefing Team.  This team is comprised of EMS, Fire, Police
and
Nursing professional who have gone thru training in critical incident
stress management.  The services of this team are offered to personnel
who are directly involved in a "bad" incident.  There are similar teams
available across the country.  The purpose of C.I.S.D. is to give
people
the opportunity to talk with other emergency professionals about a
particular incident.  In talking with people who have gone to a
debriefing I have only heard positive remarks.

     Denying that a professional can be affected by stress is like
     denying that your chest pain can be a heart attack...either one
     can kill you.

                                    Doug Plaza MICP NJ
  SLMR 2.1a  On a clear disk you can seek forever


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From: Joel.Ostmoe@f4014.n282.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Ostmoe)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: F.I.R.E. Network
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 23:08:24 -0800

->  -=> Quoting Joel Ostmoe to Chuck Sanders <=-
->
->  JO> I thought I had recently read somewhere that you or someone
->  JO> named Jon Bixler is trying or has started a fire related file
->  JO> distribution network. I would be interested in information on
th
->  JO> at all possible.
->
-> John will be posting a message shortly regarding the fire file
networ
->
-> ... ANSI is a person who can't sit still.
-> --- Blue Wave/TG v2.12
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(1:2604/3

  Thanks Tom, I will look for it.


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From: Tom.Kane@f306.n2604.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Kane)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: F.I.R.E. Network
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 23:11:00 -0800

 -=> Quoting Joel Ostmoe to Chuck Sanders <=-

 JO> I thought I had recently read somewhere that you or someone
 JO> named Jon Bixler is trying or has started a fire related file
 JO> distribution network. I would be interested in information on this
if
 JO> at all possible.

John will be posting a message shortly regarding the fire file network.

... ANSI is a person who can't sit still.
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From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: A proposal.......
Date: 10 Jan 1993 10:45:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

How about this:

If your site doesn't support NetMail and you must use EchoMail
(specifically FIRENET [I think that's what is gated]) for personal
communications, could you remember to amend the Subject line so that it
starts with PRV:?  That way, those of us who able to, can set our news
readers to ignore all messages with that string in the Subject.

Remember, your personal messages on this Echo are bounced to
misc.emerg-services on the internet and to the bitnet list EMERG-L.

I realize most readers here would rather _fight_ fires than _prevent_ them...8-)

Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1|"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"  --D. Hopper|plaws@uafsysb.bitnet


Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: Todd.Hockert@f6.n288.z1.fidonet.org (Todd Hockert)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: FIRE DEPT. LISTS
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 09:55:57 -0800

Thank you for clearing that up for me.
 
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From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Patches..
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 08:43:00 -0800

GV> Paul,
GV>         The patch that you gave me before was the PUTNAM FIRE
FIGHTERS
GV> BURN FOUNATION.  If that is your patch well then THANKS>
George:
The patches at the fire house are very low,so we have put another order
in.
So I can trade for some more patches later on..

Paul..  
 
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From: Richard.Brevik@f207.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Brevik)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Address
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 10:34:00 -0800

Does anyone have the address to the California Firefighters Muster
Association?  I would like to get ahold of them and have been having
trouble locating the address.  Thanks in advance!
===
 * MegaMail 2.10 #0:Can I yess MOVIE in a crowded FIREhouse?


 * Origin: MANNA (602) 985-9857 in Mesa, AZ (1:114/207)
From: George.Vaisey@f330.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Got it..
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 15:18:00 -0800

Bob,
        I just received those frequencies.  Thank you VERY much.



                George

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From: Steve.Sharp@f207.n714.z3.fidonet.org (Steve Sharp)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Fire Police
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:54:50 -0800

JL> The powers of fire police vary, depending on how they 
JL> are empowered under each state's law. They are covered 
JL> by each company's insurance, but I'm not sure what you 
JL> mean by "legislation". As far as being sworn, I don't 
JL> believe  this is done except in emergency situations. In 
JL> most routine operations, they aren't placed into 
JL> situations that would require arrest powers to be 
JL> granted, etc. 

Thanks for that John, by legislation, I meant under what law they get  
their authority, is it under the fire departments, or law enforcement?

We just get the police to do traffic, crowd control.

Cheers, have a happy and safe Christmas!
 

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(3:714/207)

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:02:17 MST
From:         "TROY-ALLEN A. CARRILLO" <carrillo_t@MERLIN.NMHU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: False alarms

It is policy at this University that if the housing office or resident director
feel that something illegal is happening in the dorm they can search the
building and the rooms without the consent or without a search warrant.
Students do sign a contract with the housing office and the university that
does allow this type of search to happen.
Maybe other universities should do the same......





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Troy-Allen A. Carrillo                   Carrillo_T@Merlin.NMHU.edu
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: silber@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeffrey Silber)
Subject: Re: False alarms
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:30:45 GMT


Interesting constitutional issues here.  I'm not sure about having dogs
sniff dorm rooms at a University (without a warrant), or requiring one
to submit to a "search" (via UV) before allowing them entry into their
residence.  
-- 
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money."
                                                          --Sen. Everett Dirksen
Jeffrey A. Silber/silber@tc.cornell.edu
AD-Admin Svcs/Cornell Center for Theory & Simulation in Science & Engineering
From: Scott.Hatten@f320.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Hatten)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: OHIO SARCON 93'
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 23:48:00 -0800

The OHIO Emergency Response Center would like to inform all fire, ems
, search and rescue and interested parties that there will be a SEARCH 
AND RESCUE conference in Deleware, OH. On January 15, 16, and 17.
The conference will last the weekend and encompass many aspects of 
SEARCH AND RESCUE. 
If any one would like more information, contact myself:
Scott Hatten
160th Air Refueling Group, RANGB (Crash-Rescue-Firefighter)
Ohio Emergency Response Center (Administrator)
West Virginia Search and Rescue Network (Team Leader)
at.
7735 Gorman Dr.
Worthington, OH 43085
Home: (614) 885-9695
Work: (614) 841-5105
Digital Pager (614) 646-4018
Celluar Phone (614) 296-3426

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From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Humor
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:32:10 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article AA29892@remote.halcyon.com, Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers) writes:
>
> -=> Quoting Bruce Phillips to All <=-
>
> BP> Hazardous Materials Information Network
>Excellent.  Bravo!
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>.... Call 911 - Make a Fireman Come!
> * Origin: The ACE of Spades BBS (1:116/33)


Ditto!!

---
Suzanne Roat
Hazardous Materials Emergency Response Officer (HERO)
Chevron Research and Technology Company	
roat@rrc.chevron.com
From: Kurt.Ullman@f290.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Kurt Ullman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: News Coverage Nyc-Ems Str
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 13:23:04 -0800

JS>Topics like this have come up in the past.  I still feel if you can't
do the
JS>job you should not be there, period.  If a EMS worker is that
stressed out
JS>he/she is not doing him or herself or the patient any good being in
such a
JS>state.

        If an EMS worker is that stressed out it is their
responsibility
to get help and the providers responsibility to make it possible (at
company expense and on company time). I know of no legal reason..but it
would seem morally imperative.
        From a somewhat limited personal experience, it seems like
those
who go down in flames (docs, Medics at all levels and Nurses) all seem
to be the ones who care teh most and are among the better ones. There
needs to be a method of salvaging these people instaed of wathcing them
consume themselves. We are not deep enough in skill or people to not
help those who need it.
        Del SOAPBOX.COM      (G)
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From: David.Stark@f322.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (David Stark)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Private messages and flames
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 17:54:00 -0800

 > From: ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian J Gardner)

 > So, let's hear it - Fido people, CAN you send personal email?  If

    Yes and no.  Fidonet does include that capability.  In fact, it was
the original basis of the network; echomail came later.

    However, in Fidonet the individual node picks up the operating cost,
including long distance phone charges if any, wear and tear on their own
personal computer system and, in many areas, cost sharing for the
distribution of echomail traffic.

    Some Fidonet regions allow and encourage the private email (called
"Netmail" in Fidospeak) to be routed along with the echomail.  Other
regions and some individual systems require that Netmail be sent direct
to the receiving system at the expense of the sender.

    The situation develops two more complications at this point.  One is
the private Sysop like myself who may have no BBS users and must decide
whether a particular message is worth the long distance cost to send it.
(In my case, we can route our Netmail through the area server, so that
cost is not an issue. It is elsewhere.)  He then has two options.  He
can send the message direct at his own LD expense, or he can reply in
the echomail conference where the conversation started.

    The other complication is the full BBS with multiple users having
access to echomail conferences.  A very large number of Fidonet boards
do not allow users access to Netmail.  The ONLY way they have to
communicate via Fidonet with other users is via public echomail in the
conferences. The reasons for this denial of access vary.  In areas where
all Netmail must be sent direct, the Sysop is under no obligation to
allow his users to run up his phone bill.

    This is not a huge problem within Fidonet, since we all pretty much
know the situation.  A conference Moderator may encourage participants
in particularly long discussions to "take it to Netmail", but there is
really nothing anyone can do if those people can't get access to
Netmail.  The real problem occurs in conferences that are gated to other
networks with differing operating styles.

    That is the case with FIRENET, which is not only gated to
misc.emerg.services but to other networks and newsgroups across the
Internet. People in CEMS-L have posted messages complaining about all of
the non-EMS messages, believing incorrectly that they are participating
in an all-EMS newsgroup.

    Members of a particular network or newsgroup who have a problem
with the content of messages coming across from other networks or
newsgroups should be encouraged to contact their own network
administrators.  Those people are the ones responsible for agreeing to
the gateway arrangements and for ensuring compliance with network
policies. They are also the ones who should be handling the complaints.

    Anyone wishing to continue a private email discussion of these
issues can reach me at David.Stark@rochgte.fidonet.org

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From: David.Stark@f322.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (David Stark)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Reedy creek fire dist, fl
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 22:43:00 -0800

 > Is anyone familar with the Reedy Creek Fire District Florida?  I'm

    Reedy Creek covers Walt Disney World.  It is probably an arm of the
Town of Buena Vista, which is WDW's political jurisdiction.  Buena Vista
is owned by Disney and incorporated as an actual town in Florida.

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From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Tension Pneumo experience
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com


I'm looking for experiences with treating tension pneumothoraxes
both prehospital and in the hospital as well. Please emphasize
aspects that were unexpected from the standard procedures.

Please be clear as to what technique was used with what adjunct
and what anatomical location the procedure was performed.

Any input in appreciated....

Greg
From: Tom.Kane@f306.n2604.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Kane)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Enough!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 23:17:00 -0800

 -=> Quoting Ralph Sims to All <=-

 RS> reaching more and more folks.  The gatway is working.  As more
people
 RS> participate, the chance of errant messages occuring increases. 
There's
 RS> no more in here than in most groups.  Again, if you have a
concern,
 RS> send mail to the person; all Fidonet posters have valid,
domainized
 RS> email addresses.

Ralph, Please don't suggest that...I'm getting real tired of receiving
mail
from Internet users about what they perceive as "personal" messages that
are
valid Fidonet conference mail. As long as these conferences or groups
are
being combined and gated, we'll have to learn to get along with
difference
in standards.

... Girl who douches with vinegar, walks around with sour puss
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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: RE: Emt-m with command?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 06:10:00 -0800

SS>>  it used to be that way in Pa., but for the last few years now all
EMTs
SS>>trained in Pa. are also MAST certified. People just like to write
EMT-M
SS>>because they are WACKERS!!!!!!!!!!

I stand corrected. Thanks

KMA

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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:00:04 EST
From:         Howard Berkis - CC28 <CC28@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Pager question..

Yes, I asked a few friends in a vfd about minatour pagers with vibrate
mode...

I do not think they are made by motorolla, however they have vibrate
capabilities, and will record up to two minutes worth of last message

I forgot the companies name...send me you email and I will get it for
you.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Howard Berkis, EMT
CC28@Iona on BitNet...Internet Coming Soon
PS  Just Remember...No Matter Where You Go...There You Are???
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Darrin.Culver@f53.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Darrin Culver)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Dormitory fires
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 23:37:00 -0800

WC>Not being a firefighter, I may be missing the obvious, but is there
any
WC>particular reason why there aren't Ub

        How dare you Post a question like that!?!? I guess I shall try
and answer it for you anyhow. What, exactly is a UB?? I am a
firefighter
and I've never heard of a UB.

                                                Later;

                                                Baby Huey


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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: denning@chirpa.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: FOR SALE: MOTOROLA SABER I VHF PORTABLES.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:10:54 GMT


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	6 Watt RF Output
	146-174 Mhz
	Fully programmable (using Motorola RSS (Not Provided))
	Time-Out Timer
	MDC-600 or MDC-1200 Unit ID (Before, After or Both)
	12 Frequencies
	CSQ, PL or DPL
	Channel Busy Indicator
	Low-Batter Indicator
	Transmit Inhibit on Busy Channel
	Belt-Clip 


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	$350 to $700 depending on condition

I also have a 6 unit charger for SYSTEM SABER

Don
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: Re: LIGHT BARS & IDIOTS
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:11:11 GMT


Mark Caravasos writes:
>You really need to experience West Virginia drivers sometime. 
>When they refuse to yield to an 18 ton ladder truck you really
>wonder what's going through their mind.....

Across the river in Ohio they drive the same way. Our ladder
weighs 28 tons (56,000 lbs.) and they ignore it, too. It's
pretty new and has all the noisemakers at car level, i.e. air
horns, siren, etc. just above the bumper. I didn't think a
person could sit behind the wheel of a car with his/her head
so far up his/her ass!

The more you deal with people, the more you like animals!

-- 
        Ed Shanks      af905@yfn.ysu.edu
"Whattaya mean I'll be cut off in 5 minutes? I just got started!"
From: Michael.Smith@f102.n2604.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Patches to a good cause.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:44:00 -0800

Scott,

Glad I could help.  The address is:

Andrew Tharp
18156 Red Fir Drive
Beavercreek, OR  97004

Regards,
FF Michael Smith
Oakland (NJ) Vol FD
Company 2, "The Hill"

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From: Terry.Gendreau@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Terry Gendreau)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: False alarms
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 06:57:00 -0800

MC> students to enter only through certain doors, checking each of them
w
MC> hand held black light scanner. The ink will show on the person who
pu

MC> tactic we use is to bring in police dogs, with the intent to search
t
MC> building for victims. These dogs are also well known for their drug
s
MC> capabilities. This also has seemed to work decently well.
MC>

I like the thoughts, At Ft. Wainwright, AK., several years ago, during
the
winter we'd get transient troops in to do winter training (Jack Frost,
etc..) and the troopies would start getting bored at around 10pm and
pull
the local boxes, we'd normally "give" them one, after the second pull,
a
full scale room by room, basement to roof search was performed, and
never
lasted shorter than one hour. One hour at -20 usually cured the itchy
fingers.......T.

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From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Game!!
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 18:08:00 -0800

On <06 Jan, 15:31>, George Vaisey wrote to All :

GV> I posted a message a while ago stating that I had a fire grounds
GV> simulator program.  After writing this message I learned that it is
GV> COMMERICIAL software.  I WILL NOT DISTRIBUTE IT.  If you would like
the
GV> 800 number for it write me e-mail and I will send you the 800
number
GV> ONLY!!!
George:
Hey we all make boo boo's time to time.. Were only human! :)
So what's the 800 number for this game?
If you want,send it threw NetMail.

Paul..  
 
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From: Jack.Still@p3.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Still)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: news coverage NYC-EMS stress and suicides
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 09:22:07 -0800

In a message on <Dec 31 13:33>, Daniel Burstein of 1:343/94@fidonet
writes:


 DB> a quick transcript of the WWOR story on EMS stress


 DB> Reporter Joe Collum: Every day is an emotional roller coaster 
 DB> ride for EMS workers.  With each call they must prepare for 
 DB> disaster, but often find only false alarms.

Topics like this have come up in the past.  I still feel if you can't do
the job you should not be there, period.  If a EMS worker is that
stressed out he/she is not doing him or herself or the patient any good
being in such a state.  Wow, doctors must really be super stressed out. 
They have people die on them when there are in surgery. 
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