From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:this is all crap.. Skip unless you are Mr.Minho Jo
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:39:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:

 To respond item by item to Mr.Minho Jo's posting seems worthless to me.
 I wish this is my final respond to him.
 Now it's clear to me that you think YS's merge is immoral, betrayal, dishonest while you do not think DJ's splitting, compromises are Not.
 I have insisted that DJ's splitting was the most immoral and he failed to
 reach people.
 
 But this is my last attempt to correct what I think Mr.Jo misunderstood me:
 (1)   
 >>>>   If you followed the maxim,  why did you only name me ?
       Why did you use the nasty words  which were nothing to do with
       naming you.   The previous post was very offensive to me,  saying
       "Choonk Buk never support DJ a bit"   This comment is pretty much
       imbeded with your strong emotional feeling.  I never used nasty
       words unlike you.  I have found your arguments with very emotional
       feelings, even to other guys.
      
    When I said "name" or "naming", it meant "labelling" other guy's
    political identity not calling one's name. Got it?

(2)
>>>>>>>   You never respect other's opinions.  You are always considering
          yours is right.   The above is just my opnion diffrent from
          your point.  Don't force other to obey your opinion.

    When and How did I do? You just disliked what I said because I did not
    supported whom you do. Why did you start "a-far-right-extremist"?
(3)

>>>>>     Let's suppose that your home twon people unanimously support
          you for president,  even if you didn't encourage Jiyuk Gam Jung.

          Should you be blamed for it ?

    You still do not get my point that this structure was intensified by DJ
   after his splitting opposition party and made people to wait for five
    more years to have the first civilian prez! I am not blaming people who
    supported him. I was blaming him(DJ) who I think began to exploit this
    for his political interest with "unrealistic" calculation. 

>>>>>>   At least,  I've never blame you.  I just disagree with some
         of your opinions.   Again,  there is no single right opinion.
         I want you not to be too sensitive to other contradictions against
         to yours.

   I think "far-right-extremist" is blaming. Do you insist that this was not?

>>>>>>>  If you are really unhappy with naming you,  I am willing to
         cancel it.

         In general,  Korean people are really reluctant to tell what are
         thier favorite and their standpoint,  which will never cintribute
         Korea's democracy.  This may be caused by the
         terrifying military regime.  Now we have to express them with "
         Dang Dang Hee".

         This is just my personal opinion.  Don't try oversense.
--------
   Have I been very reluctant to say what I think? But in order to encourage
  this open speech, you should not accuse someone by calling "extremist"
   without providing why.  I hope that your"Dang Dang Hee" does not mean
  rude.

>*********(BT)
>             So many my counter-arguments are not anwered by you here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Neither does you.
        
          Give me all your arguments which I did not answer!

>             Read it carefully !!
>
>**********(BT)
>          Read what? I was saying that basically all politicans are servants
>          of the power. Aren't they? again. What's the goal of politicians?
>          Read other's sentence more carefully !

>>>>>>>>>>>   Oh gosh,  You are still misunderstood what I was talking
              about.   I am fed up with the argument.  Throw it out.

         OK why don't you explain what you were talking about?
         Wasn't my central theme "REALITY"?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't agree with his splitting was right either.
                   But again,
                   he at least didn't sell it to the Gunbari Dang.
        
         Who setup the absolute moral standard exactly between two cases?
         What do you mean by "sell"? I think trading congress seat was DJ's
         expertise.  How has DJ been able to do politics with Gunbari Dang?
         How could they can get elected?  I think this is really dogmatic
        "old" style dichatomy. Still democracy vs. militants? 
         still conscience vs evil?  Man, it's gone after DJ's splitting.

                   Don't be misunderstood "his".  All of the Minju Dang men
                   can be name "HIS party".

         I did not misundestand it.  But look at all political parties.
         No one belongs to people. Whenever the leaders want, they can destroy,
         re-name those. When and who asked to people?  Did DJ does?
         Why do you blame only YS?  

>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't get my point yet.   I will paraphrase it:
             If DJ would it,  I wouldn't support DJ before I tell what
             I think he might do.   In other words,  I stress politician's
             consistency and morals.

        I did not ask what you would do. I asked what he would do if he really
        did catch what Roh suggested.  your "consistency" and "morals" are
        answered in the previous.  

>>>>>>>>>>>>  Oh, suit !    If it was really offensive to you,  I am
             -------------
              willing to apolize it.

        Pretty much apologizing!!!!!!


>#######(BT)
>         Do I have to repeat how I view YS's decision?
>         Didn' we have another congress election after 87 prez election?

>>>>>>>>>>>>  Refresh your memory.

          Are you insisting we did not have national assembly election after
          87 presidential election? If yes, the above advice goes for you
         again.


>P.S. Next time, would you delete blank lines between your text lines?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I did it.

          Thank you so much.

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        My career goal is to achieve "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"
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        "Integrated Society" does not come with "dogma", "orthodox" and
         dichotomy. BTW, I will keep my fingers crossed for your career goal.
        
        No matter wht you will post, I won't say anything more regarding this.
       
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