From: mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:45:29 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec18.233553.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>In article <BzG3B8.Kvz@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>>[much deleted]
>>     My only contention was that English spread to other lands from
>> England. She is the mother country of the English language. Hence, the
>> English used in England is the yardstick by which other dialects must
>> be measured.
>
>Sheesh.  Well, suppose MY contention is that Latin spread to other lands
>from Italy.  She is the mother country of the Latin language.  Hence, the
>Latin used in Italy (now considered a distinct language, Italian) is the
>yardstick by which all other dialects of Latin must be measured.
>

Let me make myself clearer. The language spoken in Italy is NOT Latin
but Italian (as you yourself concede). Hence, it can no longer govern
Latin in other lands. However, if the differences in present day Italian
and Latin were minor enough to justify their being NOT called separate
languages, then Italian Latin would be the standard. 

       To stir up a little dust, I proclaimed a while ago that the
language the Americans use, isn't English and shouldn't be termed so.
Immediately, indignant Americans pointed out that I was mistaken and
how the language they speak is indeed English. Well then, why are
they vain enough to deny the superiority of English English and its
existence as a standard? I certainly bow down to this standard. The
reason of their defial goes back to the war between Britain and America. 
In their effort to break away from the British, the Yanks have waged war upon
the language. And, they refuse to accept the superiority of English 
English, because they are afraid that if they were to do so, it
would somehow be linked to an acceptance of the British as their
overlords. Can these blind persons not see that acknowledgement of
English English as a standard is NOT linked!
>
>>[more deleted]
>>[about his opinions, if you find them...]
>> offensive, DON'T read them. Or, if you would like to dispute them, present
>> cogent arguments.
>
>Others have done so.  You appear to be completely immune to the effects of
>any rational argument.  This causes people to become frustrated, abandon the
>use of rational arguments, and flame you instead.
>
I am NOT immune to rational argument. But shouldn't this argument be
effective enough to convince me? So far, all I have seen are feeble
attempts to disprove me. In cases where I have misunderstood the
person or seen the flaws in my argument, I have willingly admitted
it. However, no one has been able to put together an effective argument
that challenges the superiority of English English. I think the
reason behind this is that IT'S A FACT. *No one* can dispute that
English spread from England to other lands.

>>[more deleted]
>> Learn how to make a kill file and you'll be rid of the "nuisance called
>> Mandar".   ;)
>
>Excellent suggestion.  Welcome to my kill file.
>--
>James Harvey
>harvey@iupui.edu

Killing me won't solve all your problems.   ;)


                                                             Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.