From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

To all netters that are bother by this recent 2.28 and us against them
postings:

	I apologize, I am frustrated as much as you are.
	I am not going to continue after this not because I do not
	believe it is not a serious issue but because I felt a lot of us
	( myself included) would rather read something else.

	Still, thanks for those educated me on this. They taught me more
	than I hoped for and expected for.

In article <1992Aug12.042909.13098@news.columbia.edu>,
cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:

|> But who suffered A LOT more?  How many bright, young, educated Taiwanese
|> were killed for voicing their opinions?  Yes, 228 is a tragedy, but unless
|> people can face it as it is and learn from it, it will never be forgotten.

I do think people are learning a lot from it (at least I did).
I am only trying to to fair stating that it is a tragedy to us all.
I am not saying 10 (or 100, or 1000) is worth one dead mainlanders.
Why twist and distort what I said.

Any dead innocent taiwanese is a tragedy.

|> >Any hey look.  A lot of us was not even born at the time.
|> >The tragedy was caused by a poor execution of a not so good policy by a
|> >few people.
|> 
|> It wasn't just "a not so good policy by a few people!"  Do you remember
|> this famous 5-year-plan slogan back in the 50's?  The KMT wanted to

I was just talking about 2.28, not interesting to be dragged into more
political debates.

|> recover mainland in 5 years.  Most wai-sheng ren's thought that they'll
|> all go back to their homeland in 5 years, and so they tried to grab
|> whatever they can grab, and do whatever they wanted to do in those 5
|> years -- cuz they'll all be gone in 5 years!  Who cares about Taiwan?
|> Who cares about how Taiwanese people felt?  I don't think it's just
|> the policy makers' fault, but the general altitude of WSR that really
|> bothered many Taiwanese people.

Yes, if that is true how come my whole family and majority of the
mainlander family are still poor in the 60's and 70's.

I was too young to witness that but let's say that those ugly mainlanders
in those years are no better or worse that the taiwnaese merchants in the
mainland today.

|> >Why should all mainlanders be blamed?
|> 
|> Well, certainly not all, but many (older ones) should be!

And most of them are DEAD DEAD and DEAD.
And most of them (over 95%) were just poor soldiers and goverment employees
who are poor than taiwanese for their life.

|> I personally don't have anything against WSR, and that's because the
|> WSR I know are very nice people -- Buddha knows how many WSR friends
|> I have!  But for those whose relatives/friends died in 228, for
|> those who continually got nasty treatment from WSR, and for those
|> whose voice can NOT be heard or taken seriously here in their *own*
|> homeland because of the WSR rule, how can you expect them to treat
|> WSR nicely?

The WSR does not rule.
There are more tai in the cabinet and all level of goverments.
95% of WSR people do not hold offices.

|> >So keep on spread hatred and that will do a lot good to us all, right?
|> 
|> Spreading hatred is not what people are interested in here.  In fact,
|> I'm surprised that you would even label it as such!  People need to
|> LEARN from history, resolve all conflicts, and go on from there.  But
|> unless the parties at fault are willing to face and ackowledge the
|> wrongdoings they've committed, should we just all not talk about it
|> and forget about it?

No, it was not my intention to stop talk about it at all.

I admit that I got over board and carried away. But read it again,

|>>    Who is to blame ? Who took refuge in Taiwan and still wanted to keep
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>>    their power by killing tens of thousands on 2.28, while sent their own
|>>    children to the U.S. ?  Where is the place that Taiwanese can call
|>>    their own ?

Just tell me that he did not meant to blame myself for being rejected by
the taxi driver.

My parents had been poor almost all their life. Both are teachers who helped
lots of taiwanese students. I came here on my own assistanship.
None of us killed and hit any taiwanese in their life. There are lots and lots
of people have the same background.

I felt rejected by the taxi driver and that was alright because I could
say it was one unfortunate incident caused by failed education.
But the above from an educated person is hard to swallow.

I started by talking about my ABC kids because I worried about their future.
All fathers out there who have a heart should know that I am sincere.
Why should I be the target of this accusement?

I am apreciate people who educated me on this but I am not really interested
in deep political stuff. I had bored a lot of netters I am afraid.
That is why I am signing off on this thread.

|> If we Chinese want to all stay together, we must first learn to
|> repect each other!

Now that is something we should all work on.

yu

|> -Charles
|> 
|> 
|> *** Om Ma-Ni Pad-Me Hung *** | "Hey, Charles, have you been 'waiting' all
|> ============================ |  your life?" -- Thao D. "the creature" Vo
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