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From: jpino@dcc.uchile.cl (Jose A. Pino)
Subject: Discos compactos de musica selecta usados en venta
Originator: jpino@funes
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:59:20 GMT
Distribution: chile
Reply-To: jpino@dcc.uchile.cl
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

Ofrezco para venta discos compactos de musica selecta. Se trata de discos en
optimas condiciones, con "jewel boxes" en impecable estado. Garantia 100%:
si despues de adquirirlos, se arrepiente por cualquier motivo, no hay problema,
los recibo de vuelta.

1) W.A. MOZART. Misa de la Coronacion. Orquesta Filarmonica de Viena (Herbert
von Karajan). Grabada en la Basilica de San Pedro (Roma). La misa fue
celebrada por el Papa Juan Pablo II. El hermoso libreto incluye la homilia
del Papa y los textos biblicos. DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON. DDD. $3.900.

2) L. van BEETHOVEN: Sinfonias 1 y 2. En instrumentos de epoca. The
Academy of Ancient Music (Christopher Hogwood). L'OISEAU-LYRE. DDD. $4.600.

3) L. van BEETHOVEN: Sinfonia No. 8 y Oberturas "Fidelio", "Leonore III",
y "Coriolan". Orquesta Filarmonica de Berlin (Herbert von Karajan).
DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON. DDD. $4.200.

4) GOUNOD: O Divine Redeemer. MOZART: Laudate Dominum. BACH: Bist du bei mir;
Jesu, joy of man's desiring. GOUNOD: Sanctus. MENDELSSOHN: Auf Flugeln des
Gesanges. FRANCK: Panis angelicus. MOZART: Ave verum. SCHUBERT: Ave Maria.
PURCELL: Trumpet tune. HANDEL: Let the bright seraphim; Let their celestial
concerts. KIRI TE KANAWA, Choir of St. Paul's Cathedral, English Chamber
Orchestra (Barry Rose). PHILIPS. DDD. $4.200.

5) MOZART: Eine kleine Nachtmusik. PACHELBEL: Canon. L. MOZART: Sinfonia de
los juguetes. Academy of St. Martin-in-the-Fields (Sir Neville Marriner).
PHILIPS. DDD. $4.100.

6) Varios: America's Pops sampler. Incluye temas como "Evita"(Weber),
"Lucy in the sky with diamonds" (Lennon y McCartney), "Raphsody in Blue"
(Gershwin), Duke Ellington Fantasy, Penny Lane (Lennon y McCartney), etc.
Varias orquestas "pop". PROARTE. DDD. $1.500.

7) L. van BEETHOVEN: Musica completa para flauta (dos discos compactos).
JEAN-PIERRE RAMPAL con R. Veyron-Lacroix (piano). VOX Box. ADD. $7.000.
Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: hpferrad@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Hector P. Ferrada V.)
Subject: 3d
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:16:25 GMT

[ Article crossposted from chile.comp.pc ]
[ Author was Hector P. Ferrada V. ]
[ Posted on Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:09:33 GMT ]

	Hola compu-compa~eros me gustaria saber si algun computin tendra en
su poder algun software de PC para 3D... ojala con la posibilidad de anima-
cion...

       ___                           ___
      /   )/         /       /|/|   /   )
     (__  /  _  ___ /-_  _  / / |  /
        )/ )/_)(_  / /_)/ )/    | /
   (___// /(_ ___)(_(_ /  /     |(____)

Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: jpino@dcc.uchile.cl (Jose A. Pino)
Subject: Discos compactos de musica selecta usados en venta
Originator: jpino@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:57:46 GMT
Distribution: chile
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

Ofrezco para venta discos compactos de musica selecta. Se trata de discos en
optimas condiciones, con "jewel boxes" en impecable estado. Garantia 100%:
si despues de adquirirlos, se arrepiente por cualquier motivo, no hay problema,
los recibo de vuelta.

1) W.A. MOZART. Misa de la Coronacion. Orquesta Filarmonica de Viena (Herbert
von Karajan). Grabada en la Basilica de San Pedro (Roma). La misa fue
celebrada por el Papa Juan Pablo II. El hermoso libreto incluye la homilia
del Papa y los textos biblicos. DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON. DDD. $3.900.

2) L. van BEETHOVEN: Sinfonias 1 y 2. En instrumentos de epoca. The
Academy of Ancient Music (Christopher Hogwood). L'OISEAU-LYRE. DDD. $4.600.

3) L. van BEETHOVEN: Sinfonia No. 8 y Oberturas "Fidelio", "Leonore III",
y "Coriolan". Orquesta Filarmonica de Berlin (Herbert von Karajan).
DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON. DDD. $4.200.

4) GOUNOD: O Divine Redeemer. MOZART: Laudate Dominum. BACH: Bist du bei mir;
Jesu, joy of man's desiring. GOUNOD: Sanctus. MENDELSSOHN: Auf Flugeln des
Gesanges. FRANCK: Panis angelicus. MOZART: Ave verum. SCHUBERT: Ave Maria.
PURCELL: Trumpet tune. HANDEL: Let the bright seraphim; Let their celestial
concerts. KIRI TE KANAWA, Choir of St. Paul's Cathedral, English Chamber
Orchestra (Barry Rose). PHILIPS. DDD. $4.200.

5) MOZART: Eine kleine Nachtmusik. PACHELBEL: Canon. L. MOZART: Sinfonia de
los juguetes. Academy of St. Martin-in-the-Fields (Sir Neville Marriner).
PHILIPS. DDD. $4.100.

6) Varios: America's Pops sampler. Incluye temas como "Evita"(Weber),
"Lucy in the sky with diamonds" (Lennon y McCartney), "Raphsody in Blue"
(Gershwin), Duke Ellington Fantasy, Penny Lane (Lennon y McCartney), etc.
Varias orquestas "pop". PROARTE. DDD. $1.500.

7) L. van BEETHOVEN: Musica completa para flauta (dos discos compactos).
JEAN-PIERRE RAMPAL con R. Veyron-Lacroix (piano). VOX Box. ADD. $7.000.
Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: capavez@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Cristian)
Subject: Midi SONY
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:21:14 GMT

 Vendo equipo musical MIDI SONY , muy poco uso . Caracteristicas :

  * Sintonizador digital con 20 memorias
  * Surround 
  * Sistema Karaoke 
  * Doble cassettera digital
  * Ecualizador de 5 bandas por canal
  * Control remoto
  * Dolby B de reduccion de ruido
  * Selector de cintas cromo/normal
  * Parlantes con sistema Bass Reflex


Precio :  $150000

                 Acepto ofertas ....    

                                     Llama al 284 26 93  : Cristian .

Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: jipodlec@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (jipodlec)
Subject: SILVIO RODRIGUEZ
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:20:46 GMT


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From: HLOBOS%UTFSM.BITNET@uchcecvm.cec.uchile.cl (    "Hernan Lobos *Mitzio*")
Subject: disketerA
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Distribution: chile
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:27:45 CST



compro diskettera de 720K!!!

alguien vende una???

Mitzio

hlobos@utfsm.bitnet
Newsgroups: chile.comp.pc
From: hpferrad@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Hector P. Ferrada V.)
Subject: 3d
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:09:33 GMT

	Hola compu-compa~eros me gustaria saber si algun computin tendra en
su poder algun software de PC para 3D... ojala con la posibilidad de anima-
cion...

       ___                           ___
      /   )/         /       /|/|   /   )
     (__  /  _  ___ /-_  _  / / |  /
        )/ )/_)(_  / /_)/ )/    | /
   (___// /(_ ___)(_(_ /  /     |(____)

Newsgroups: chile.comp.pc
From: avillena@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (VILLENA MOYA AGUSTIN ANTONIO)
Subject: Re: 3d
Originator: avillena@calafquen
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:21:58 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile

In article <1992Nov18.114538.13810@tolten.puc.cl> atreyus@lascar.puc.cl (Marcelo Vasquez) writes:
>Hector P. Ferrada V. (hpferrad@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
>: 	Hola compu-compa~eros me gustaria saber si algun computin tendra en
>: su poder algun software de PC para 3D... ojala con la posibilidad de anima-
>: cion...
>: 
>:        ___                           ___
>:       /   )/         /       /|/|   /   )
>:      (__  /  _  ___ /-_  _  / / |  /
>:         )/ )/_)(_  / /_)/ )/    | /
>:    (___// /(_ ___)(_(_ /  /     |(____)
>
>Por supuesto, El nombre es 3D-studio y lo fabrica Autodesk. En Chile lo 
>distribuye Datacorp y lo debe vender a unos 3000 dolares.
>Si lo puedes traer de EEUU lo puedes conseguir a unos 1500.
>
>La Direccion la puedes consseguir en la Guia de Telefonos.
>
>saludos
>
>atreyus
>

En el Host sugrfx.acs.sys.edu , directorio /pub/vr/rend386 hay unas
interesantes librerias para el manejo 3d. Inclusive hay un demo.
Suerte!!

Atte

Agustin (Cucho) Villena
avillena@dcc.uchile.cl
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From: hpferrad@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Hector P. Ferrada V.)
Subject: jf2 II
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:17:24 GMT

ups... me mande un condorito....

	Me preguntaba si alguien tendra por ahi el Jet Fighter II?

						Gracias....

       ___                           ___
      /   )/         /       /|/|   /   )
     (__  /  _  ___ /-_  _  / / |  /
        )/ )/_)(_  / /_)/ )/    | /
   (___// /(_ ___)(_(_ /  /     |(____)

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From: atreyus@lascar.puc.cl (Marcelo Vasquez)
Subject: Re: 3d
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:45:38 GMT

Hector P. Ferrada V. (hpferrad@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: 	Hola compu-compa~eros me gustaria saber si algun computin tendra en
: su poder algun software de PC para 3D... ojala con la posibilidad de anima-
: cion...
: 
:        ___                           ___
:       /   )/         /       /|/|   /   )
:      (__  /  _  ___ /-_  _  / / |  /
:         )/ )/_)(_  / /_)/ )/    | /
:    (___// /(_ ___)(_(_ /  /     |(____)

Por supuesto, El nombre es 3D-studio y lo fabrica Autodesk. En Chile lo 
distribuye Datacorp y lo debe vender a unos 3000 dolares.
Si lo puedes traer de EEUU lo puedes conseguir a unos 1500.

La Direccion la puedes consseguir en la Guia de Telefonos.

saludos

atreyus

Newsgroups: chile.comp.pc
From: hpferrad@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Hector P. Ferrada V.)
Subject: jet fighter2?
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:59:32 GMT
From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Fields of green (and blue, or gold and silver)
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:21:48 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.berkeley.edu

Tim writes:
> [...] In SCA heraldry,
> [...] "good contrast", which
> the Rules artificially (and, I think, erroneously) define as being of
> opposite tincture classes, i.e. one must be a metal and one a color.

In low-light situations (as in, next time you're wandering from campfire
to campfire at an event), it's VERY hard to distinguish between sable
and gules, azure and vert, Or and argent, etc.  Or and purpure, vert
and argent are MUCH easier.  I think Laurel's ruling is sensible.

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Fields of green (and blue, or gold and silver)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:30:22

 JM> What I may not have conveyed clearly is that medieval rolls of arms not
 JM> only depict "barry of nine", but they also blazon it that way.

 References, please?

    Tim of Angle


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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Irvine Clan Heraldry
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:34:40 GMT

In article <BxKDox.DFM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>1.  How can I properly describe the coat of arms for the Irvine Clan?
>	In non-heraldic terms it is:
>
>		A white field, with a wide red stripe horizontally in the middle
>		with clusters of Holly (2 equally spaced apart above the red, 
>		and one centered below the red stripe).

I think you'll find that's a cadet branch.  The stem coat is "Argent, three
bunches of 3 holly leaves vert," according to the Moncreiffe-Pottinger "Clan
Map".  (I trust both Moncreiffe and Pottinger to be careful.)  I can't tell
whether the leaves have red berries or are just tied with red cord.

Because a coat of arms is unique, a cadet (younger son) makes some
difference to the ancestral coat, usually an addition -- in this case, of a
red fess.

This could be good news.  Someone selling "Family Crests" would probably
give you the stem coat; the red fess narrows it down to a particular branch,
making it more likely (in my eyes) to have an actual connection with Brent
Irvine.
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                          dasher@well.sf.ca.us
*\\*        Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms        *\\*
+1 415 267 0685                 1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
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From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Subject: Re: Imperial Eagles (was: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:40:38 GMT

In article <BRANDON.92Nov18142932@gauss.math.brown.edu> brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon) writes:
>James Zuelow writes:
>>
>>I'll stay away from heraldric terms since i'm not fully familiar with
>>them, and
>>describe the arms in `normal' terms- a silver shield, with a single horizontal
>>black bar across the middle, the width being roughly 1/4 the heigth of the
>>shield.
>
>In heraldic terms, this would be "Argent, a fess sable", which are indeed
>very simple arms, although I can't tell you where they came from.  

Rietstap gives Zu"low: Argent, a fess Sable, and gives Mecklenburg and 
Prussia as origin.

-- 

	Francois Velde
From: perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Tartans...
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:48:20 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

In article <1992Nov22.205007.12931@ms.uky.edu> uk08745@nx04.mik.uky.edu (randy j yarger) writes:
[...]
>I come from a very scottish family and have even been back to the Isle
>of Skye where we are from.  I have my kilt, my clan badge (MacDonald of
>Skye/ MacDonald of the Isles) and several instruments such as bagpipes and 
>a middle C pipe.  I am extremely proud of my heritage and am a little 
>disappointed because i can't wear my things because i am female. The only  
>thing that i can wear is a scottish dress with a sash, although I still  
>wear
>my kilt, my pin and my short kilt jacket all the same.  To any Celtic guys 
>out there who think wearing a "skirt" is silly, if youve got the blood,
>there is nothing that you could wear that would be sexier than a kilt,
>a white shirt, and a jacket.  If you think about it, scottish men are so 
>sexy that a kilt doesn't hinder them in the least.

Probably so, if it's true what they don't wear underneath the kilt.

>-meredith aka "vixen"
>mmhous00@ukpr.uky.edu


-- 
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From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Subject: Re: Bosnia & Hercegovina
Organization: The Nibelungenlied Incorporated
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.182413.24371@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois) writes:
>In article <BxsB95.37D@well.sf.ca.us> dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:

>Note that Croatia has on its flag an escutcheon bearing chequey Argent
>and Gules, dating back to the 16th century, but also used by the 
>Croatian puppet regime in 1941-45, hence some bad feelings in this 
>notoriously sensitive region.

These arms date, in fact, to the Tsar Kolyman, back to the 12th century
(if I remember correctly). They are also known as "the arms of Ustasha"
after the Croatian puppet regime 1941-45, but they are much older.
Correect name ought to be "the arms of Kolyman".

BTW, in my previous posting I mentioned the last Hochmeister oft the Teutonic
Order to be Konrad von Hohenzollern: in fact, he was the Prussian Landmeister
(the Order still exists !) or Land Master, and his name was not Konrad, but
Albrecht von Hohenzollern.












  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo FINLAND              ++ Edward III. All you need is an  ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c43657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like Duke of Alencon.     ++
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Imperial Eagles (was: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:47:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.181805.23606@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois) writes:
>I suppose that the colors of the Prussian arms are linked to that of the
>Teutonic order. From what I read, Albert of Brandenburg, grandmaster in
>the early 16th c., decided that it would be easier to defend what was 
>left of the order's lands if they were secularized and united to Brandenburg.
>By then, the Knights had lost all but Eastern Prussia (centered on 
>Koenigsberg, now Kaliningrad, tomorrow <your best guess>). It took the 
>Hohenzollern 250 years to reconquer Western Prussia.

I've been passing bad data, then -- I thought "Western Prussia" just meant
the western parts of the late Kingdom, spreading across the northern part of
today's Germany.

The colors of Prussia (sable and argent), by the way, are also those of the
house of Hohenzollern.
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                          dasher@well.sf.ca.us
    *\\*    Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms    *\\*
+1 415 267 0685                 1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Tartans...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:17:30

>original owner of a coat of arms, you're not entitled to use that
>coat.  Note, however, that this only holds any legal weight in
>countries which still have some type of governmental heraldic
>organization (which the US does not).

 BI> But I believe in Scottish Clans, one has the 
 BI> 'right' to wear the Tartan.
 BI> Yes?
 Yes, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.  The whole 
 purpose of the tartan is to denote the whole family and retainers.  You 
 also get to wear the clan badge, but none of that is equivalent to 
 the official coat of arms of the family head.
    I'm a Keith -- I could wear the tartan if I could afford, I have a 
 clan badge (much cheaper), but I have no claim in the slightest to the 
 arms of the Earl of (I forget... no claim - no memory) which are 
 "Argent, a Chief paly or and gules" (I think)....
     Beth/Gwenllian

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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Imperial Eagles (was: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:49:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.234327.11358@vela.acs.oakland.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:
>  I believe that the two-headed eagle is a symbol associated with the original
>Roman Empire, and that it was adopted by many nations that claimed to have
>"imperial" status.  Prussia and Austria were both originally part of the Holy
>Roman Empire, and Russia's tsars (Caesars) took the name because the last
>survivor of the Byzantine imperial family married the first of the tsar.

Prussia proper was never within the Holy Roman Empire, though the Kingdom of
Prussia acquired territory within the Empire (and of course Prussia proper
was within the German Empire of 1871).

(By "Prussia proper" I mean roughly the bit of Germany that was cut off
from the rest between the World Wars.)

The arms of the king of Prussia had an eagle, but as far as I can tell it
never had two heads.  Just to confuse you, though, the king of Prussia
became German Emperor (i.e., of the Second Reich), and as such he _also_
bore the arms of Germany, which _also_ had an eagle, which was sometimes
depicted with two heads.

The archdukes of Austria were for a long time (from the fifteenth century)
routinely elected Holy Roman Emperors.  When in 1804 the Emperor, under
pressure from Napoleon, declared the Holy Roman Empire dissolved, he assumed
the style of Austrian Emperor and continued to bear the eagle of the old
Empire as part of the arms of the new.

(I'm probably oversimplifying somewhere.)
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                          dasher@well.sf.ca.us
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From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Subject: Re: Balkanic Heraldry
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:41:44 GMT

By the way, I described in my post how the Serbian, Montenegrin and
Yugoslave kingdoms used the double-headed eagle Argent in their arms.
An article in a recent issue of the New Yorker says that one of the 
Serbian groups carrying out "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia is called 
the White Eagles.

-- 

	Francois Velde

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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Byzantine & Albanian Flags
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:23:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.092903.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> staub_jon@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
>The flag with the cross between the for B-like things sound similar to a
>Serbian flag I've see. Stay in touch, I'll check it out and get back. 

The cross and charges are or for Byzantium, argent for Serbia.
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                          dasher@well.sf.ca.us
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+1 415 267 0685                 1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois)
Subject: Lady Thatcher's arms (continued)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:25:29 GMT

As suggested by people on the net, I wrote to the College of Arms
in London, inquiring about Lady Thatcher's arms. Here is the 
(prompt) reply I received:

"I can confirm that Mrs Thatcher has been created a Peer for life by the
name style and title of Baroness Thatcher, of Kesteven in the County of
Lincolnshire and that she is customarily known as Lady Thatcher.

I can confirm that Armorial Bearings for her are en train however as the
Patent which is the granting instrument has not yet been issued I am not
in a position to make any further statement in the matter.

Yours sincerely,
Conrad Swan
		Garter   "

The world awaits, breathless...

-- 

	Francois Velde

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