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From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ANOTHER Blanket Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:34:18 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1dbqa2INN7au@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes:
> 
> Here's another! blanket question.....
> 
> 
> I bought my horse Kai a new heavy duty winter blanket. It
> is a Big D brand blanket (size 80).  I tried it on him and
> it fit him in the front (it's a closed front) but his
> butt could have been 3 times the size to fill out the
> back (I should be so lucky when I buy myself jeans!). 
> Are Big D blankets typically meant for Quarter Horses or
> do they just run alittle big?  Is it worth trying a 76"
> or 78" ?  I've never had any trouble in buying him~r
> blankets before; I just order a 78" or 80" a I can
> be pretty sure it will fit. Anyone know anythng about
> the Big D blankets I don't? 
> Thanks,
> Sonja

Yes, Big-D is made more for the heavier built horse 
like the QH or Appy.  I too just got the Big-D
Turnout and ordered an 84, since I am assuming it
will shrink a little, and noticed that the turnout
seemed to be a little roomier than I expected and more
so than my other nylon Big-Ds, which is nice but if I 
had known in advance of purchase or I would have ordered 
the 82.
Other than that I thought the turnout to be
a pretty good fit for my Appy.  And Quest
tested it well his first day out it in by
rolling in the mud.

Melanie
  and Quest
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From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: snaffles for dressage
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:56:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	I don't have the book with me to quote from however I remember
most of the snaffles allowed so I'll give this a try.  First off, no
twisted wire snaffles are allowed period.  Also, while this is not 
always done, dressage technical delegates require that bits be
checked by the gatekeeper before a horse enters the ring.  I did
this for a show here in Tucson and only saw one bit that was 
questionable, which I brought to the attention of the TD, and that
was a snaffle of western design that looks like a loose ring eggbutt
on the outside but is actually a thin twisted wire on the inside.
It turned out that this bit was a regular loose ring eggbutt but
at least the TD got involved and investigated it.  
	Now the bits that are allowed are:
loose ring snaffle (all mouthpieces must be a minimum of 1/4" in
		diameter by the way)
eggbutt snaffle
D-ring snaffle
full cheek snaffle
french mouth snaffle
Dr. Bristol snaffle
Baucher snaffle
fulmer snaffle 
mullen mouth snaffle
straight or dogbone snaffles
half cheek snaffle

Bits can be made of rubber or covered with rubber or leather.  No mixed
metal mouthpieces are allowed (meaning a bit that has say an inlay of
copper in the mouthpiece).  The cheeks may be of a different metal or
alloy than the mouthpiece but the mouthpiece must be of one metal or
alloy only.  The size of the rings is limited but I can't remember the
limit.  No elevator bits are allowed.  No other bits than the ones
specified in the rules are allowed.  I don't know if plastic bits
are accepted yet or not.

					Tracy and everybody 
Xref: sparky rec.equestrian:5407 ne.forsale:4917
From: kenr@isc.com (Ken Rossen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,ne.forsale
Subject: Horse Clothing and Tack For Sale
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:47:53 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Originator: kenr@grunt.ima.isc.com

Four items for sale:

Brown plaid Baker horse blanket, 82" - excellent condition - $35.00

Navy rain sheet - heavy plastic coated, not the crinkly nylon
kind - $20.00

Older English made forward seat jumping saddle, 17".  Fair 
condition, but still a lot of use in it.  Excellent first
saddle or for longeing and backing babies - $75.00 or best offer,
less fittings.

Warmblood-sized English made black leather dressage bridle.  White
lining with brass buckles.  Purchased from Dover Saddlery.  Excellent
condition.  - $75.00, less reins.

For information, reply by e-mail or call Karen at 508.928.5367.
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From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:31:11 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <9730085@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths) writes:
>For an old horse I vote for the pellets (easy to digest) and the 
>daily wormer. 

Why the daily worming?  Wormers are drugs that work by killing the
worms, so in high doses, they can be toxic to other animals too.  Be
careful about this, because you could get liver damage trying to clear
the toxins, without being able to tell what's going on.

-Sarah Pallas
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Whipporwill Farm   Red Bank/Middletown, NJ
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:09:13 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

If anyone out there boards at Whipporwill Farm or works there or
visits there regularly for any reason...would you please contact
me via email?  Thanks VERY much!!

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Rudy Vener
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: More Blanket Advice WANTED
From: Bliss B Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 07:00:21 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

We just bought a lightweight New Zealan that is lightly lined with fleece. It i
s lovely, fits nicely, is waterproof, and would probably fit the bill for very
changeable circumstances. if anyone is interested I'll check the brand when I
get to the barn.
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:24:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Feeding Old Horses(LONG)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>weight at an alarming rate.  So..... I wormed him with Ivermectin (Don't use 
>STRONGID-C with MSM)

OK, I have to ask. What's the story here? I take it there is some kind
of interaction?


Glad Bub is doing well:-)


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
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From: mlf@nscf.org (Mary Lou Freil)
Subject: Width of stall doors?
Organization: National Science Center Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:41:26 GMT
Summary: How wide should a stall door be?
Keywords: barn

I've been a lurker here for a long time and now have a question of
my own.

We are having a barn built and so far everything is going fine except
for the stall doors. We will have two stalls and the builder has
put the  stall doors next to each other and made them each three feet
wide. The horses will be able to  get their heads over them since the
top of the door is ~4.5 feet from the ground. The reason that I
am unhappy about this is that my horses don't get along when stalled
especially around feeding time. My contention is that 3 feet is too
narrow. All the references I have say that stall doors should be 4
feet wide at least. If one horse lunges at another while entering
a stall, someone (maybe even me is going to get  hurt). To me this
whole set up is an accident waiting to happen.

So my question is, am I being too cautious? Is three feet wide enough?
Glen, the builder, says that his doors are 3 feet wide and he has had
no problems. He has small Arabs and a small quarter horse.  My horses
are a little bigger than his and quite fat. They will probably be able
to get through (I will have to wait until this weekend to try. There is no
electricity out there yet and it is hardly ever day light when we are at
home any more; I hate winter) but what if I get a larger horse, like
a 17hh warmblood or I breed one of my mares? A hay belly is one thing,
but pregnant mares are something else again?

Any thoughts or anecdotal evidence one way or the other will be welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Mary Lou,

Tonka and Terra (too fat mares who get along unless there is food
	involved)

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        Augusta, Ga.

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From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Hoof Care Products
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:42:05 GMT

In article <1dmn9vINN7up@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:


>I'd like to start a new discussion about hoof care products.  Here in
>Houston, our soil has lots of clay, which means that either the horses
>are swimming in mud or that their feet are bone dry.  I've been using
>Fiebing's Hoof Dressing, which is basically pine tar, but Monty's
>owner claims that it is damaging his feet (they do look dry and awful, but I

When I got my present horse 3 years ago his feet were dry and cracked
and didn't look too good at all. One of the cheapest things to use and
something that works surprisingly well was a 3 times weekly application of 
mutton fat. It doesn't smell so great but it works. I just kept it in
a tin and painted it on with a paint brush.

There is a German hoof oil called  Effax  (or something like that)
which is supposed to be very good as well.

I also give my horse a daily dose of biotin in his feed and he now
has very good, solid hoof material. I can definitely recommend this for
growing strong healthy hooves. I buy it in 1.8 kilogram plastic bottles,
it has the brand name of Biocare. One of these bottles costs $A45 approx.,
not cheap, but it last for 4 or 5 months.



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From: springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer)
Subject: Scratches (bacterial type, not small cuts)
Organization: Univ. Colorado Boulder, CIRES
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:33:48 GMT

My Saddlebred has developed what apparently is a case of
scratches on his three white legs and nose. At first we thought
he had been standing in the shed when it got hit by lightening
as his nose blistered and peeled horribly and then his legs
started doing the same thing. Now his nose is much better but
his legs look awful. I shaved his legs (against my better
judgement since it's almost winter), scrubbed him with Betadine,
and have been putting Aloe-Heal on the lesions. Since I am
now convinced that this is bacterial in nature, is there
something better I can use to combat this? It doesn't seem very
communicable as my mare is fine. Someone suggested a mixture of
Desitin, Tinactin, and Neosporin. Will this help or just make
a gooey/dirty mess on his legs? I have also read about packing their
legs in sauerkraut for three days...evidently the acid in the juice
cleans up everything. However, this doesn't seem practical since
he is pastured.

Any suggestions?? Thanks in advance.
J. Springer
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:11:39 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <BxM89y.FMr@encore.com> jpenovic@1.com writes:
[in response to things like ]
>> The person that I board from said that the ferrier told her
>>                                            ^^^^^^^
>> The ferrier called me last night and told me that Billy 
>      ^^^^^^^
>
>    Please don't take this as a flame, because it's not meant
>    to be one, but the correct word is farrier.  (I'm a tech.
>    writer, and I have  this thing about words. :-) )
>
>    Ferrier sounds like someone who's name should be Toto.  :-)

Or better yet, someone who pilots the Staten Island Ferry!

OK, just to stay nominally related: what is the difference between a
farrier and a blacksmith?  Is it that a farrier's sole job (no pun
intended) is to shoe horses, and a blacksmith does other sorts of metalwork?

Dave

(The tricky part about following up to a tech writer's post is that
you have to go back over your response and check the spelling and 
grammar ;-)
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From: majewski@bach.udel.edu (Kathleen Majewski)
Subject: Rain Scald
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:15:51 GMT

I just thought I would add a few things to the Rain Scald question.
There is a fungus topical ointment (liquid) that can be purchased thru
horse catalogs or saddlery places. It is a clear rather than orange (like
Iodine) and does not stain the hair.

If you put this solution on twice a day, it will heal the spot, then peel
the scab off with your nails. If you let it go, it will spread, as I have
heard some people say they have seen it where it is actually oozing with
infection in Spring. 

My horses hate to go in also, and my one mare had it last winter. So this
is how I treated her, and it cleared up within 10 days or so. If you can,
try to brush and dry their backs when it rains or snows. I know it is hard
to keep up with them, but it will save you a lot of agony later on. 
Once you peel the scab off, do it a little at a time, the new hair growth comes right in. Hope this helps, 
kathy
From: jsnyder@cadev6.intel.com (Jan Snyder )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Sun sensitivity (Was Re: Turnout Schedules)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:29:07 GMT
Reply-To: jsnyder@cadev6.UUCP (Sallijan Snyder )
Distribution: usa
Organization: Microprocessor Component Group, Intel Corp., Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Nov9.091321.18805@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>Yes, I forgot to mention this, but I use Water Babies SPF 45
>on the muzzle and around eyes for day turnout and shows. Since
>its gentle enough for babies, I figured it would be gentle
>enough for Quest and so far no problems.
>
>Melanie
>   and Quest


Thanks for the suggestion of Water Babies--I've been sorting through all
this thread and chemical sensitivity angle had bothered me.  Quiche's
previous owner had used sunscreen on the nose only (white blaze down 
to lip), but I haven't seen any evidence of sunburn in the two years 
we've had her and not used anything.

I have a new question:  Does anyone know of medications or nutritional 
supplements that can increase sun sensitivity? 

(If the current household panic over new horses settles out the way I
want it to, I'll be Quiche's legal and exclusive owner soon and intend
to be more agressive about dealing with her arthritis.)

-Sallijan
 Quiche, 18yo Arab "sweetie" (owned by a friend but mine at heart)
 Tammy, 15yo MorAb "dear brat" (for sale)
 Dusty, 7yo Arab/POA "cute little guy" (for sale)
 and the potentials: Shadow Dancer (~9yo black Paso mare)
                     Peeky (~10yo chestnut Paso mare)
 and felines Imp, Gringo and Rags (geldings all)

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From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Subject: Question: snaffles in dressage
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:18:30 GMT

Regarding the discussion on bits for dressage, just exactly
what kind of snaffles are allowed - e.g., plain egg but,
loose ring, any with a twist or rollers, dr. bristol, etc?

I've noticed at my new hunter barn, that many horses are ridden
in a snaffle - looks kind, and then when they take the bridle
off, the mouthpiece is often quite severe - ie, double twisted wires.
I assume that this is not done in dressage, but do they actually
check your bit when you're in a show?

thanks, 
Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Il
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Barns
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:26:29 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <3030371@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
> In rec.equestrian, web@press.Corp.Sun.COM (Kathy Webster) writes:
> 
> 
>     Too bad they don't have a magazine, you know, "Barn Beautiful!"
> 
> Just wait.  I'm in the process of developing a book on building
> barns.  Knowing publishers the way I do, it'll take 2 years to
> get into print, but it's coming.
> 
> Wendy
> 
> 

Builders's Square has some very good books on building barns, blueprints, too.

Sue
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 08:21:22 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
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In article <1dr447INNh8r@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM writes:
>I am looking for some input, advice regarding shoeing.
>The ferrier called me last night and told me that Billy 
>probably just overreached and stepped on the shoe to pull
>My questions are, is any of the above normal or abnormal?


Normal.

Happens about every two years to me, whether I need it or not.

Adrienne Regard
From: marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: roughage
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:59:56 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX
Originator: marym@tzone.mpd.tandem.com


I wanted to second the vote for horses needing fiber.
And not just older horses. A friend at our barn had
a horse in training. A 6 y.o. Who was on poor pasture
and sweet feed. No hay. He coliced 2X. The 2nd time he
died. He was at our barn for a year on good pasture,
hay and complete feed. He had never had a colic problem 
in his life before this.
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:13:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov12.001307.8400
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

butlet@aix.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler) writes:
 |Before you all get too high and mighty about disapproving
 |horse racing, just remember that there are a lot of animal rights
 |activists that think any type of riding is abusive.
 |
 | [hypothetical examples of finger pointing]
 |
 |Remember, about your own opinions, there will always be someone
 |that feels your opinion is extreme, and someone else whose opinion
 |is more extreme.
 |

True enough.

However, the question remains: do we want this particular newsgroup,
as proposed, tacked on to rec.equestrian?  

My primary objection to said group appearing here (in the r.e
hierarchy) is the simple fact that it has little if anything
to do with things equestrian.  Unless, of course, one considers
figuring handicaps, maximizing your betting spread, comparing
track facilities, etc., to be fitting topics for an equestrian 
hierarchy.  I don't.  I believe there is a more appropriate
location.

The group as proposed is targeted at *consumers* of the horse 
racing industry, who I suspect have little more than a passing
interest in the equestrian aspects of the thing.

If someone wants a horseracing newsgroup, fine.  No problem.
Just realize the thrust is not equestrian (ie, of or pertaining
to horsemanship).  The thrust is gambling on horse races.  Please 
put this group (if you must have it) in the rec.gambling hierarchy 
where it belongs.

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com
From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:57:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

For an old horse I vote for the pellets (easy to digest) and the 
daily wormer. Alfalfa is a no-no for older horses due to its high
protein that can cause the kidneys to overwork and all sorts of
stuff. I also think that if it is not broken, don't fix it!! This
Caretaker person may kill this horse if they keep messing around
with its feed. It seems that she means well but has no experience
with older animals. Ask around, check out the universities, but do
not make assumptions about feed changing just "because".

Older horses are more sensitive to changes in diet...

hope things work out ok..

Donna
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From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: maxpony1.gif description
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:01:36 GMT

In case you want to know...

The 'maxpony1.gif' that I contributed is a 608x448x256 color GIF89a
image scanned and cropped from a 4"x6" photo taken a couple of
summers ago of Max, a Welsh mountain pony stallion. He belongs to
the Glasgow University Vet School here in Scotland, UK. I have known
Max since he was about 4 years old: he is now almost 20. I reckon
he's about 11.3h, though I've never measured properly. He is still
as active as ever, teasing and breeding mares, and is also used for
demonstrating AI techniques to the vet students. Over the summer
vacation he's usually turned out to run with two or three pony
mares. That may account for his superb temperament: he is the most
trustworthy equine I know, and that is saying a lot for a stallion!

Max does not have the cutesy head typical of modern Welsh Section A
ponies. He is more rugged and has a straight rather than a dished
face. The photo (one of many) shows him standing on one of his sand
patches at the side of a small exercise paddock. Note the barbed wire
which is unfortunately a standard fencing material in Scotland - it
certainly keeps our horse vets and wound powder manufacturers in
business!  I know from seeing all the ads in Equus that fencing is
given a higher priority in the US.

I could chatter on about Max for hours, but I'll stop now. Actually,
I should really have uploaded a picture of my own horse Lucky first
(sorry Lucky!).  Maybe when I can get access to our departmental
color scanner again without raising too many eyebrows...

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