From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Open letter to GMT
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:16:06 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Dear Mr. Roko Kim,

   If you had not jumped to conclusion immediately, you would have found that
the "FUCK" swear word was in an article not posted intentionally in the 
Soc.Culture.Korean newsgroup. It was meant as a re-buttal for Mr.Woong-li's
article in Soc.Culture.Japanese

I was alerted to it by an e-mail from a Korean.

I was a furious at first because I thought someone had posted it to s.c.k.
without my express permission. I even posted an article on s.c.k saying that
I was angry some one posted that on the s.c.k newsgroup without my permisions.
But later, I realised that maybe it was because I did not check my "headlines"
when I posted to s.c.j. and so I posted again on s.c.k. to apologise.

So, your assumption that the "FUCK" swear word was part of the "QUESTIONS" series is wrong. It was not meant to be.
It was not part of the Questions i posted to S.C.K.
Also, I do not like the tone in your last post. You make it sound as if I used the "FUCK" swear word for the netters in s.c.k when it was only meant for
Mr.Woong-li in s.c.j.
If I was rude to Mr.Woong-li, that is another issue and it is for us to settle it. I will proceed to apologise to Mr.Woong-li. In any case, that is none of your business, right?

YOu say:

>when someone reads this sentence, it deliberately conveys a hidden meaning that Koreans have false pride as compared to Chinese and Americans

I say;

Oh yes, you know what I meant when I wrote this sentence! Who the h@#$ are you to say that you know what I think; what is in my mind?
If you chose to interpretate my words that way, I only find that regretable 
and I have already apologised. Actually, I should not even have apologised
because it is your fault you interpretate it that way.

Well, I will tell you how I felt when I wrote that sentence,
>>Why do Koreans have so much pride in themselves.......

It was with a feeling of awe and curiosity that I said it.

You are telling me

that I have malicious thoughts, I am this, I am that, I was thinking this , I
ws thinking that, I meant this, I actually meant that.

well, Mr.Kim you are not me so you have no right to tell me THIS is what
I have in my mind, right????!!!!!

Let me tell you how I compare Koreans, Chinese, and Americans; I compare them
by using what I have seen and observed. As a scientist, you must trust first
and foremost what you see and observe. You can then go on to investigate it
by conductiong experiments and taking measurements.
As i said before, that is one reason why science is different from religion.
I do not know how the Nazis labelled the Jews. I only know that they blamed
the Jews for the bad economy in Germany. The Nazi's however did not use the
observe-experiment/measure-concluse method; they did not even bother to
"observe" whether the Jews were indeed ruining the economy.
How dare you compare me to the Nazi's?

And I can not see why you "actually do not personally take much pride " in
Koreans . I very much admire the strength from the UNITY of koreans. And I
think this UNITY is what is pushing Korea forward and this UNITY, I suspect,
come from the pride in each Korean.
And that explains why I look upon Koreans' pride with a sense of awe and
curiosity . THat also explains why I want to know more about it.

>>How much do the Koreans hate/like/respect/dis-respect the Chinese?

You tell me this is a "STUPID" question. I don't think so. I also find that statement quite rude.
What make it rude is how you interpretate it; as I said, it is unfortunate that
you choose to interpretate it that way. 
In any case, if it was a stupid question, a number of netters would not have
replied to me and my question, right? And if they felt it was stupid, those
netters who replied to would have pointed it out at the same time, right??

AGAIN, YOU tell ME that I am "cunning", I arbitralily "manipulated" other people's article.
WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHAT I THINK????

I am telling you that I did not have that in mind and I was only playfully
asking a follow-up question to a statement by another Korean netter.
When the KOrean netter metioned "SIBLING RIVALRY", what came to my mind was
two children of the same parents each trying to gain the favour of their
parents.  I then curiosly asked if that was what he meant. I then assumed maybe
 China was what they were "fighting over". ABSOLUTELY no pun 
intended. That was how I interpretate "SIBLING RIVALRY". Maybe I am wrong in
that respect, but YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK. 
In logic, your strategy is known as "POISONING THE WELL".
By continuosly suggesting meanings to words I did not intend, you are 
perpetuating a sinister picture of me.
By "POISONING THE WELL", you do not allow me a chance to explain myself.
I am sure a lot of readers have already formed a very bad picture of me.
And you accuse me of being "cunning"? Look at yourself, Mr.Kim.             

>>But the average Korean Citizen in the inner Cities of Korea is willing and
>> ever ready to wield UZI's; that is another thing altogether

>YOU ARE A LIAR! YOU ARE A LIAR! YOU ARE A ........

I am a liar? Again, who are you to tell me what I think? How do you know
I was lying? Are you me? HUH? Let me tell you, maybe not very glorious sounding, but this is the opinion I formed from the AMERICAN media. AND I TOLD
EVERYONE WHAT I BELIEVED WAS TRUE.
It is one thing about having a wrong opinion and another thing about having the
right opinion and telling a lie KNOWLINGLY. 
Mr.Kim, if you want to insult me for having the WRONG opinion, fine; but
I deeply resent being called a liar; I get very upset and I think you would
also be if I call you a liar, right?
 
Let me emphasize:

Ther is a difference between having a wrong opinion and having the right 
opinion but telling a LIE KNOWLINGLY. (KNOWING you are not telling others
what you REALLY know)

You are telling me that I was lying. I tell you that you have a wrong opinion 
of what I really am thinking. You have no right to assume you know what I think. I really thought that was the case with inner-city Koreans.
If I have the wrong opinion, you are welcome to correct me, and that
was why I posted to this group in the first place, right???

O.K., if my approach to asking questions is not polite, I have apologised
for it, haven't I??
What more do you want from me??

By continously giving examples about Kwangju-ju city and others, you successfully perpetuated a malicious picture of me. Without proof, you tell others that
I "laugh at other's tragedy" and "distort the Truth".
Distorting the TRUTH is NOT the same as having the wrong opinion and voicing
one's wrong opinion. I may have the wrong opinion about Koreans but I am 
prepared to bring it out and have it corrected. You are very WRONG to
accuse me of distorting the truth.

Yes I said:

>>I did not say:
>> the average Korean has as UZI

but that referred to an immediate previous article where I did ASK
a question.

The statement:

>>The average Korean in the inner cities of L.A. are willing and ever-ready to

came before both of those to articles and that was not what I was REFERRING
to when I posted the statement:

>>I did not say:
>> The average Korean has an UZI

PLease do some more Home-Work before attcking other innocent people.

What do you mean by I "deliberately" changed my example from LA to inner city?
Who are you to tell me it was "DELIBERATE"?
Again, you are poisoning the well.
In any case, I do not remember doing that because I was not (in your words)
"Deliberate" in doing that. PLease show ME!

>you should have been a Chinese by race and non-Chinese by nationality.

Once and for all, although I do not understand the meaning of nationality,
I am Chinese by genetic heritage (or race, if you liek it that way) and
not by CULTURE!

I DID NOT SAY I WAS CHINESE BY NATIONALITY BECAUSE HONESTLY I DO NOT
KNOW OF THE MEANING OF THE WORD NATIONALITY. You have a wrong opinion of what
I said. 

>> By your definition, you were caught by a dilemma that those...
>> ....a pure, red lie
>>But it was you, misled by fraudulent joy of fooling others,

PLease, For the last time and I getting tired of this, You are wrong in
assuming you know what I was thinking. I was not bent on FOOLING others.
It is unfortunate that you twisted my words to suit yourself.
YOu added too much meaning to what I said.
Never did I say I was Chinese by nationality.
Never did I say that heritage is not = culture.

When I said I was not CHINESE, I meant I was not chinese in mentality and
culture and thinking. And I am right because a lot of AA's consider 
themselves Americans and not Chinese or Japanese or Korean DESPITE the
fact that the have that genetical linkage.

>You deliberately disguise your racial identity

I DID NOT!! I did not LIE about my genetical linkage, DID I? Mr.Well-poisoner??
 And I am getting angry. I just did not COMMENT on my race. And I believe
I have my right of privacy not to reveal my details if I do not want to.
It is not like I was asked a question about my race/genetical-linkage
and I lied that I was not Chinese, right???
I just did not feel like telling others about this complicacy of myself.
i wanted others to treat me like a non-CHINESE and I believe I Have the 
right to that privacy.
So Mr.Ham did intrude my privacy when he snooped around and it was wrong
of him to do that but it was not wrong of me to keep my privacy, right?

 >>>Are all Chinese not able to write their name?

Yes , this was written by me.
I quoted that netter's statement out of my memory and that , really,
was what the KOREAN netter wrote, although not exactly the same.
Now if you want to attack me for quoting other people's statemetn
from memory, fine, but do not go on to add meaning to things I said.

I think there should rather be a public hearing of your unethical 
assumption that I "unethically manioulated" the netters.
   

I did not raise a question of Koreans as a race and not a nationality.
I just assumed that the American Koreans still have / posses enough
Korean Culture to be compared to other Koreans.
And that is probably true.

 >> It is a shame in Korean Society to hide one's identity

Look, Mr.Kim, I did not HIDE my identity. I just did not want to reveal my
complicated details because it confuses the issue. I have my right of
privacy if I do not want to talk about it, right?

>>Chinese will be ashamed on your hiding racial identity

Like I care about how Chinese think?
Do you think the Chinese Americans in the U.S. care about how deeply ashamed 
the mainland Chinese feel? Or do you think that the Mainland Chinese feel
ASHAMED that  the Chinese in U.S. consider themselves AMerican??

It has all got to do with the mentality.
Either you have it or don't. There is no shame if you don't have it.

>>Koreans are not a special Homo Sapiens

Yes they are, so are all the other cultures.
Each culture is different and unique.
Because I found the Korean culture unique, I want to know more about it.

>> Thank MT for not denying your parents' identity

That was stupid of you to say that.
It is none of you business how I treat my parents.

It is none of your *&^%%$ business how my parents raised me!!
 
 
I am tired of your hoier-than-thou attitude, you false assumptions and your
strategy of poisoning the well.

Just get off my back!

Denny.