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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Road Trip Report
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:47:17 GMT

>Hmm... A Cyclone Clone that's better than the original Cyclone, eh?

Well, in some ways.  I like on the original how the end of the ride
is this ultra low-profile trackwork that you really ZIP through.
Coming  off the lower Surf Ave turn on the Coney Cyclone, you
weave through a real vicious section of trackwork which I have YET
to see replicated on ANY of the cyCLONEs.  

Comparitively, the end of the GA Cyclone is much slower, but with
more negative g forces.   I hear the Coney Cyclone is a finiky
beast...some say it's a wild ride when running well, but I don't
think I have ever rode it when it was running top notch.

The Coney Cyclone has a better first drop, and a better ending,
but again, with varing performance, negative g's can happen or
not happen.  The GA Cyclone seemed more consistant in performance.


>Sounds like a very wild ride!  What does the GP seem to think of it?

They like it a lot.  They pull their seat belts tight and shove
the racheting lap bars all the way down, so they aren't going 
anywhere (read -- can't hurt themselves).  These are also the
FIRST set of racheting lap bars on a new PTC train that actually
STAY UP during the ride!!  I kept my bar relatively  high up on
each ride, and it stayed there through the positive g's, which
I was impressed by.   That and a loose seat belt made the most of
the ride's great negative g forces.


B.
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:27:51 -0400 
From: Tracy Fluharty <tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian Coasters
	<1992Jul22.151729.22522@usl.edu>

Rendell writes:

>p.s. And how's your mom?  I haven't heard anythign in *ages*, and since
>bad news travels fast, I just assumed everything was fine...

Yes, everything is fine.  She was up for the wedding and looks great. 
She says Hi to everyone.  She's now trying to put all the Amusement Park
Memorabilia up in the new house.  People sent so much that she's having
a space crunch--and loving it!  

Thanks for all the congratulations, we really appreciate it!

Trace & Gary

Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Canadian Coasters
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:17:29 GMT

Buck says to Tracy Aulfinger (nee Fluharty):

>RE: Honeymoon
>
>BELATED CONGRATS ON THE WEDDING!!!



Yes, indeed, CONGRATULATIONS!



Rendell

p.s. And how's your mom?  I haven't heard anythign in *ages*, and since
bad news travels fast, I just assumed everything was fine...
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From: wbrs@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (WBRS-FM 100.1, Waltham MA USA)
Subject: Amusement Parks
Reply-To: wbrs@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:10:21 GMT

Has anyone read the book Amusement Parks?  I spent the first two weeks of the
summer traveling from Boston to Indiana visiting parks using it as my guide.
It is an excellent book for amusement park enthusiasts.  If anyone knows of
ny other books that center on parks, please let me know. 
				Thanks.
					Kira
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Texas/Rattler
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:23:30 GMT

mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Well, I just got back from a weekend in San Antonio which included a trip to
>Fiesta Texas. The park is really nice, completely cut into a limestone quarry.
>At the risk of defying the charter of this group, I will describe some
>non-coaster attributes of Fiesta Texas a little bit, and then focus on the
>Rattler.


I realize that the FAQ was just recently posted here, but it sounds like
it needs to be posted again. *Any* aspect of the amusement-park business
can be discussed here, including the *wonderful* theme-ing of Fiesta
Texas. The name of the newsgroup may be 'rec.roller-coaster' but discussions
are not to be limited only to coasters...

I saw it the first week (or so) of March, so most of the grass had not
started to grow yet. Still, I thought it was about the prettiest park
I had ever seen.


Rendell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Cedar Fair and Dorney Park/Wild Water Kingdom
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:19:18 GMT
Keywords: Official


Well, it's finally official.  After months of negotiations and
name-calling, Cedar Fair bought Dorney Park/Wild Water Kingdom.
The rumored price of the purchase is $48M.  Cedar Fair has
promised to spend $20M during its first five years of ownership
to expand and improve the park.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: SFoG / Souvenir Maps
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:24:43 GMT


Buck writes:
>Tom "I'm jealous" Maglione writes:
>
>>Buck writes about his road trip, and comments on Six Flags Over Georgia. 
>> I'm talking about the large
>>number of dead-end cul-de-sacs around the park. 

>Oh yeah...that!  8^)  Tom is 100%  Trying to get from NINJA to the
>Mindbender is a feat in and of itself!!  


Hmmmmm.

Maybe it is the fact that SFoG was the first real amusement park that
I visited more than once or twice...

Maybe it is the fact that I have a good memory for maps...

Maybe it is the fact that I have more tolerance than other people
for roundabout meanderings...


Well, whatever the reason, I have no trouble getting around at
SFoG. I always know where I am going, and how to get there.
I guess it helps that I have the lay-out of the park memorized.


But a good point that has been an irritation (?sp?) to me 
is that the 'souvenir maps' have absolutely no basis in realite.
Why do these things have to be so GOOFY?!?    Why are all the
parks using the same people { Citigraph in Raligh N.C.} ?!?

I used to have a big map collection which was about the only
thing(s) that I hung on my walls. Once *all* the parks started
using Citigraph, I pulled them all down, and stored them away.

Not that I don't like the Citigraph maps...I just don't want all
my maps to look exactly alike.



#/dev/umount -a soapbox

Rendell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Update
Keywords: SCBB, Hurricane, SDC Windstorm.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:02:23 GMT

Jim sez:
>   Target date for reopening is the Aug 8-9 weekend.  More as it happens.

Good!

I am going to be in your part of the country soon. Please keep us all
informed. I would relish riding another of the S.D.C. Windstorms; I will
just be more careful to hold on TIGHTLY this time

;-)



Rendell
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Busch Gardens v Kings Dom
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:42:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <0ePgeJ_00WBOQ2_NMC@andrew.cmu.edu> jb8o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Brodt) writes:
>
>I'm taking a brief vacation to Virginia in
>about 2 weeks and I'm trying to decide between
>Busch Gardens and Kings Dominion.  Aren't they
>only about 1 hour apart?  Could you give me a
>run down of the roller coasters at each park
>and some recommendations?  Has anyone been on
>the new one (is it DrachenFyre at Busch Gardens?).

Yes, the two parks are only about an hour apart, with Busch Gardens being
southeast of KD.

KD has far more coasters than BG.  These include the Rebel Yell (wood racer;
new for this year, the Rebel Yell has one train operating backward), the
Grizzly (another wooden coaster), the Shockwave stand-up, the Anaconda
(multi-element steel), and the Avalanche Bobsled.  Also to be included
is the Scooby-Doo kiddy coaster.  The woodies are great, but the Shockwave
doesn't impress me.  I haven't been on the two newest coasters, but my
friends and sibling who've been on the Anaconda and the bobsled haven't
been overly thrilled.

Busch Gardens, on the other hand, only has 3 coasters--the classic Loch Ness
Monster (two inversions, fun drop), the Big Bad Wolf (one of the better
suspended coasters) and the new Drachen Fire.  I've always been a bit bored
by the Loch Ness Monster.  The theming is pretty good, but the ride is just
a bit lacking.  The Big Bad Wolf is spectacular.  One of my favorite coasters.
Incredible theming on an intense ride.  There's nothing like the front seat
on a suspended coaster!  The Drachen Fire is a fairly brutal ride; very
impressive.  The only thing lacking is a serious drop, and that doesn't
detract from it.  

Deciding which park to visit will depend on your tastes.  If you prefer
wooden coasters to steel, KD is the only way to go.  On the other hand
BG as a park is much more pleasant than KD.

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: rettigca@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Restrictions/SOB questions...
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:48:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I have a question for people out there about the seats in coasters. Being a
tall person and a bit on the....shall we say...heavy side, I can get on most
coasters like the Vortex at KI and the Beast but only if I sit in the very
first seat of a given car. 6'4 is pushing it especially in steel coasters in
the back seat of a car. My question then is what rides around the country are
better suited for people like myself. The best one I have been on is Batman due
to no obstructions underneath you as you ride.

Now a question to Buck, did the source of the Son of Bat info specify the
"type" of suspension coaster it would be? Since it's an Arrow I'm guessing it's
not going to be as good as Batman but they may prove me wrong. Any elaboration
would be helpful.

-CAR
From: tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Fluharty)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Canadian Coasters
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:28:40 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi guys,

Gary and I just got back from our honeymoon and I wanted to update
people on our coaster experiences.  We stayed in a little town 4 miles
south of the Quebec/Vermont border about 50 miles due south of Montreal.
 We got to a lot of mountains/alpine slides, etc, but our effort to do
coasters was a bust.  We went to Montreal on a Wednesday and couldn't
get into La Ronde at 1:30 in the afternoon.  They were holding a huge
throng of people at the gate (while people from the aquapark were
walking around inside) and were not admitting them.  We couldn't find
anybody who could or *would* speak english to us, so we hiked across the
island to the metro station and took it to the city to find a restaurant
(and a bathroom).  When we came back, it was so crowded that we couldn't
see paying 17.25 can to ride 3 times each.  Anyway, we headed off to
Quebec City.  Although we couldn't find the indoor coaster there, it was
a great city--much more "french" and much friendlier than Montreal.  

My advice on Montreal--go with a large ACE group and plan for huge
crowds even on summer weekdays.  Quebec is great, but the AAA tourbook
doesn't have a mention of this park and the maps suck--so don't go on a
whim like we did (the food in the old section was heavenly, though!)  we
will definitely be back.  The bed & breakfast where we stayed is a must,
also.  This place is destined to be an ACE must-stay!

Happy Coastering...

Tracy & Gary Aulfinger
Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: moofie@apple.com (Steve Klingsporn)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: SFGA Z-FORCE -> SFMM "Flashback..."
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:50:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.roller-coaster
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


For any of you who care, I was at Magic Mountain in Valencia? CA this
past weekend, and to my surprise, my favorite coaster, "Z-FORCE" (one of a
kind) from Great America in Gurnee, IL has been moved there (via SF over
Georgia, I believe).  It was great to see my old friend again and ride
it.  Unfortunately, the "Flashback" name isn't that cool, and they've
done a pretty lousy job designing the stuff you walk on/the scenery
around it -- no match for what SF Great America did -- adds a "cheap"
quality to it.  Plus, the cars are red, if I remember correctly, and
have awful-looking detail to them.

Otherwise, same old wonderful "Z-FORCE."  Just unfortunately that over
the years as it's been passed from park to park, it's lost its original
theming and beauty.


Steve

-----------------
Steve Klingsporn
Collaborative Systems Development
Apple Computer, Inc.
20525 Mariani Avenue, MS-35A
Cupertino, CA  95014
(408) 862-6508

Disclaimer: These are my opinions, not my employer's.
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: through a novice's eyes
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:45:34 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

(Don Libes) writes:
>(Are roller coaster enthusiasts into S&M, too?)


!! No comment!!   



Hee Hee,
Rendell
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Amusement Parks
Summary: Needs complete reference.
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:27:18 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Jul27.201021.25104@news.cs.brandeis.edu> wbrs@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Has anyone read the book Amusement Parks?  I spent the first two weeks of the
>summer traveling from Boston to Indiana visiting parks using it as my guide.
>It is an excellent book for amusement park enthusiasts.  If anyone knows of
>ny other books that center on parks, please let me know. 
>				Thanks.
>					Kira
Hi Kira,
	I think I speak for many of us in stating that we need more of a
reference to the book that you mention. Who is the author, when was it
published, etc. There are quite a few books on the market about this topic
so if you could fill us in, we might be able to give you more references,
too.
Thanks in advance,
Tom.
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Canadian Coasters
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:13:38 GMT

Random thoughts of Tracy (ex-Fluharty)'s post:


ALL the Canadian parks are like that (mega-crowded).  The
best time to visit them  is in the very early Spring, or
early Fall, just before they close.  I know I'll be doing
LaRonde this Labor Day weekend.


RE: AAA Tour Book of Amusement Parks

As noted in the FAQ, this is not the preferred book to have.
Actually, if I had to pick ONE book, I'd go with THE AMUSEMENT
PARK GUIDE by Tim O Brien (of Amusement Business fame).  But,
when I travel I use that book in conjunction with GUIDE TO RIDE,
and it works best for me.


RE: Honeymoon

BELATED CONGRATS ON THE WEDDING!!!



Buck a roo
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Road Trip Report
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:49:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Nerd (is that redundant?), WINCO, INEL, Idaho

buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>Georgia Cyclone -- Oh My God!	OH MY GOD!!  That's what I was    
>saying as this monsterous puppy dared to throw my body from it's      
>seat with intense negative g's!!!  One hill had me doubled over the   
>lap bar for the entire duration of the speed bump!  THIS IS MY NEW     
>#1 WOODIE!!  SFoG rebuilt this puppy last winter...a lot of people    
>felt it was  for the worst...well, the trim brakes are off (two    
>sets remain, but were not engaged), and this sucker is FLYING!!  I    
>can't tell wether I like the front or the back better on this ride    
>-- both are outstanding and amazing, with oodles and oodles of airtime.   
>       
>GA Cyclone - *****    

Hmm... A Cyclone Clone that's better than the original Cyclone, eh?

Sounds like a very wild ride!  What does the GP seem to think of it?

Geoff
Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:04:53 -0400 
From: Jennifer Brodt <jb8o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Busch Gardens v Kings Dom


I'm taking a brief vacation to Virginia in
about 2 weeks and I'm trying to decide between
Busch Gardens and Kings Dominion.  Aren't they
only about 1 hour apart?  Could you give me a
run down of the roller coasters at each park
and some recommendations?  Has anyone been on
the new one (is it DrachenFyre at Busch Gardens?).

I'd love to hit both places but I don't know if
I have the time.  

Thanks for the info!!

jennifer


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     <<<<  >>>>>>>        Office Coordinator
     <<<<  >>>>>>>        STUDIO for Creative Inquiry
     <<<<  >>>>>          College of Fine Arts
     <<<<  >>>>>>>      Carnegie Mellon University
  << <<<<  >>>>>>>        Pittsburgh, PA  15213
   <<<<<<  >>>>>        Internet:  jb8o+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: through a novice's eyes
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:57:42 GMT

Don Libes writes:

RE: Grizzly

>Somehow we assumed since so little of it was poking up above
>the forest tree tops, it couldn't be that bad.  Oh what a mistake. 

Coney Island CYCLONE is *small* ... only ~ 80' tall...you
look at it and go "Gee, that thing is SMALL!", but you
get on and oh, WHAT a whallop it packs!

Don't judge a book by it's cover, et al...

>As if the ride itself
>wasn't bad enough, the feeling of emminent decapitation as we plunged
>into that tunnel at the end was an incredible shock.

I love that part, but have proved many times even with my
hands up (and I'm tall!) there is plenty of room.

>(Are roller coaster enthusiasts into S&M, too?)

Not us...
;')

>I read about people who do
>a ride 10 times in a row.  Doesn't it get boring?  

10 times?  On a light day, try 50!

...and no, it doesn't get boring, it gets better and better!


>What's the thrill?

Adrenaline rushes, bruises, negative and lateral g's, bruises,
speed, bruises, wind in your face, bruises, etc.


Geoff Allen writes:
>Never thrown up (though a Rock-o-Plane makes me come *really* close).

Wait til I see you at Lagoon...I'll take you on with me and 
show you how this ride is DONE!  ];^>



The Evil Buckmeister
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: cheri@decoy.uucp (24473-stead)
Subject: Re: Canadian Coasters
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:08:05 GMT

buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>Random thoughts of Tracy (ex-Fluharty)'s post:
>
>
>ALL the Canadian parks are like that (mega-crowded).  The
>best time to visit them  is in the very early Spring, or
>early Fall, just before they close.  I know I'll be doing
>LaRonde this Labor Day weekend.
>

That's nice to know -- I'd already made plans to be there then too!

I received a reprimand from a ride attendant for the first time on
Drachen Fire last weekend -- she tried to tell me that I wanted the
shoulder harness as tight as possible -- NOT!  Unfortunately I wasn't 
with a bunch of coaster addicts, so we only rode the coasters twice
each (I'm glad this was my second trip to BG this year), but otherwise
it was a good day.

Bye!

-- Cheri
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: xcskier@tc.fluke.COM (John Gilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Thruput (was Re: Cedar Point vs. King's Island
Summary: Some random thoughts
Keywords: Vortex Beast Racer
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:58:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Jul23.005839.1669
Followup-To: rec.roller-coaster
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

Hope youall don't mind a novitiate hopping on!

I hadn't been on a rollercoaster in 25 or so years... I used to get vertigo
from heights, etc.   Since growing up from non-adrenaline wimpdom, I've been
into a few thrill seekin things.

So I found myself back in Ohio in mid-June for a family deal, and a few
cousins am I deciced to go over to introduce a new cousin-in-law (from France)
to King's Island.

In article <1992Jul07.212554.10461@watson.ibm.com> Dale English@watson.ibm.com writes:
>....
>
>At Kings Island, the Beast line did not seem to move as fast as it should
>have, especially with three trains running.  The Vortex was not terrible,
>though.  I  did notice that the lines for the forward Racer were longer than
>the backwards.  I thought they should be opposite.
>
>Dale "Hurry up and wait" English

We hopped onto the (forward) Racer right away, at that point, the backward
line was much longer.

Good ride, but I was looking for bigger thrills.  Later in the day, as we
walked by the Vortex line, I decided to try it. One cuz & girlfriend had taken
off for a business picnic, and my cuz & new wife decided the line was too
long.  And she was cold.  So I soloed.  35 minutes wait thru an enormous(?)
line.  As I got close, I wondered how fast this was moving.  3 trains @ 28
heads per train is 84.  Round it to 80 for the odd empty seat.  The same train
came by every 3 minutes, maybe plus 15 seconds.  So multiply by 18 runs per
train per hour to get 1440 heads per hour.... not shabby!

And the ride!!!   worth it!!  Not like the kiddie rollers at the Franklin
County Fair.

So when I met the wimps (Hey, they're my cousins, I can call'em wimps if I
want!),  I talked them into the Beast!!

Woww!!   I loved the twice thru tunnel!!  Ain't it fun to screammm!!!

(The word from France is, if the line's longer than 5 minutes, no one will
stand around and wait!  No accounting for taste!)

John 'ain't a virgin anymore' Gilbert
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From: ting@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (ting vogel)
Subject: Looking to share campsite for Reggae on the River 
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:59:43 GMT

We're looking for some kind souls who would be willing to share
their campsite near French's Camp the weekend of Reggae on the
River (August 1st and 2nd) with two of us.  We promise we will
respect your space, won't pollute your air with tobacco smoke
8-), and won't run around naked at 6 in the morning ;-) 8-).
Your kindness would be greatly appreciated!!


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From: elvira@Ingres.COM (Eric Elvira)
Subject: Re: Ruben Blades was about Julio Iglesias
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:52:32 GMT

jy2y1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Ton~o Scherer) writes:
: 
: 	Does anybody know if SIEMBRA can be found on CDs? Thanks.

I'm almost sure that I saw it on CD at an Old San Juan store last Christmas.
The best thing is to check directly with Fania in New York.

Con el sombrero de ala ancha de medio lao...

Eric

PD Voy a cambiar este subject por que de Julio a Ruben hay parsecs de
diferencia

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