From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:15:01 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca

In article <1gvg01INNqij@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
|> 
|>    There has been much talk about the deportations in the context
|> of their political significance.  I wonder why terrorist activity
|> and murders on the part of Arab terrorists aimed at Israelis, are
|> not regarded as politically significant. There seems to be a bit
|> of a double standard here.
|> 
|>    A man is kidnapped.  A short time later, his body is found out
|> on the side of some road, dumped like a bag of garbage.  The body
|> indicates that he was bound and repeatedly stabbed to death.  The
|> murder was carried out by an organization sworn to kill Jews.  It
|> is a terrorist organization with hundreds of members.


|> They swear an oath to try to kill Israelis          (1)
|> whenever and however they can.
|> 
|>    They are rounded up and booted out of the area.  (2)

The word "they" in the sentence (2) refers to the PARTICULAR people
who were "rounded up", but the word "they" in sentence (1) refers to
people in a terrorist organization. I have not been able to catch
enough information about the particular people who were rounded up.

Is there evidence that these particular people are members of the
terrorist organization?

Is there proof beyond a shred of doubt that these particular people
are members of the terrorist organization?

I would be quite surprised, given the confusion in the case, to
expect the capture of hundreds of terrorists in an organization that
numbers "hundreds of members". This kind of success in law enforcement
is similar to the capture of most North American drug dealers. It
sounds too good to be true.

|> They received
|> money and clothing, and then were shown the door.

Was there a trial?

Were they all deserving the same punishment?

|> This eviction,
|> this kicking out of terrorists is being proclaimed as cruel.

Is there good reason for proclaiming this act as cruel?

Is this eviction comparable to the eviction of a person from an apartment?

|>  But
|> there has been not one word of protest from a single humanitarian
|> or human rights group about kidnapping an innocent man, tying him
|> up, and repeatedly stabbing him to death.  Why does the world say
|> nothing about this act, but moans about the eviction of those who
|> have sworn themselves to perform such acts?

Regardless of what the world says, and the world says plenty, "those who
have sworn themselves to perform such acts" continue to do them. This does
not imply that the world should ignore the "evictions", for this would
exhibit a double standard.
 
|>   Have you 'humanitarians' no standards?  Are you so biased as to
|> give tacit approval to such a torturous and sadistic murder?  Why
|> do you care more about the murderers than you do the victim?

We should care for everyone. That's why we have adopted the policy of
"innocent unless proven guilty".

|> Are
|> you indifferent to bloodshed if the blood being shed is Jewish?

Of course not.

|>    Jews are also human beings.  Many of you may not think so, but
|> we are.  Is it acceptable to kidnap someone, bind him, and murder
|> him by repeatedly stabbing him, if he is a Jew?  Mr. Toledano did
|> not ever kill anyone.  He was not a murderer.  But he was killed.
|> He was butchered like a piece of cattle.  And yet you who yell at
|> the world about the eviction of people sworn to commit such acts,
|> you say nothing about this man's death.

There is something said about his death.

And there is something to be said about the SITUATION that has led
to his death. NOTHING that has been done so far WORKS. For crying out
loud, YOU CLAIM there are people who swear to kill Jews. What the hell
is going on? What is the PROBLEM?

|>    The concept of human rights is one that should apply to people
|> universally.  Furthermore, if one considers deporting a person to
|> be worse than murdering a person, one has a distorted view of the
|> severity of these to actions.  Would YOU rather be given clothing
|> and money, and be kicked out.., or would you rather be kidnapped,
|> tied in rope from head to toe, and be knifed to death?

I would rather figure out how to put an end to all this
higgledypiggledy.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca