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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: fax images (GPFax)
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:58:12 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

> In article <richardc.0439@vogue.adsp.sub.org> richardc@vogue.adsp.sub.org (Richard Carde) writes:
> 
>>FAX images are 1728 pixels wide... GPFax saves 1728 x ???? faxes on a
>>640 x 512 page size if they are FINE and 640 x 256 if the images are
>>STANDARD mode.
>

Is there any way to enlarge these.  I am trying to convert some
faxes to ascii using Migraph OCR and it often tries to do 2 lines
at once.  I think this is because of the size of the "print" and
if I can "enlarge" the image, OCR should be able to convert it.
Could it be something else? 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Imagemaster - what is it ??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 12 Aug 1992 14:51 EST  

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0i8o@telepro.UUCP>, James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes...
>In a message dated Tue 11 Aug 92 12:47, Katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (chris'N'
>wrote:
> 
> KN>    I have helped a friend with the program produce a "morph"
> KN> sequence.
> KN> Even though it is the only function I have used, I have had to write
> KN> a
> KN> "road map" in order to find this function again. Once you are there,
> KN> the morphing part of the program works well and has a good, logical
> KN> inter-
> KN> face. But getting there is _none_ of the fun.
> 
>Hmm...
>Load a primary and secondary image. The compose button becomes active. Pick
>Special Compositions (morphing is pretty special). Pick the Morph button.
> 
>Whew. Boy. Yep, nothing logical about THAT. My God man, how did you find
>your way back out alive?
> 
Unfortunately, Morph is a lot easier to find that other functions.  Example:
say I want to asterist a pic.  I see that 'Paint func.' and 'Process func'
are up.  So I would click on Paint.  *BUZZ* its under process!  Why?  
I would consider that `painting' on to the picture instead of 
processing the picture (IMHO).  

There are other function like that, where they may seem to be inappropiately
placed on the button structure.  If I were the developers for IM, I
would have used menus, allowing the user to browse his choices before
continuing (offer a continue/cancle requestor for each function to
avoid missed menu selections.

Another problem with the buttons is that it takes noticable time to pop up
the next screenful of buttons.  Once a function has been selected, I would
expect some time to create the custom structure, but I really dont
want to wait around as the next level of buttons are created.  Very slow
in this case on a 500.

Michael Neylon   aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermodynamics GOD!
      //         | Senoir, Chemical Engineering, Univ. of Toledo
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 --------+ How do YOU spell 'potato'?  How 'bout 'lousy'? +----------
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Henry Dunsmore)
Subject: Toaster/BTitler
Originator: cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:18:03 GMT

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I have just received a Video Toaster and the Broadcast Titler program.  Can
anyone help me with some of my queeries on a more personal level?

I just need to get off the ground and then I'll be ok!!

Please reply to the following e-mail address...thanks!

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From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:17:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <ottmar.02kx@ajberl.adsp.sub.org>

Ottmar Roehrig,

Imagemaster has support for the EPSON ES-300C via Metadigm's _excellent_
driver, available through them.

However, we do not (this week) have a TIFF reader, so if this project
is immanent, AdPro is going to be required (I'm not sure, but the TIFF
loader for AdPro may be included, or in the Pro conversion pak... ask
Perry).

We will have a TIFF reader in about 2 weeks; so if it's not an immanent
project, we can handle it ok as of that time.

Ben
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: burkert1@platon.fmi.uni-passau.de (Klaus Burkert)
Subject: Re: X-Pert Systems Domino Board
Organization: University of Passau, W-Germany
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:00:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.153528.11344@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.002700.5915@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.130350.29501@sarah.albany.edu> tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet
>>writes:
>>
>>>Here are the specs directly from Klaus Burket, the person who OWNS this
>>>project...                             ^^^^^^

This is misspelled, please use my address in the signature for mail, our
sysops will thank you

[..]
>>>The product is based on the TSENG 4000 chipset (made immensely famous by
>>>IBM-compatible S-VGA cards)
>>
>>Interesting choice of processor. Does anyone happen to have any information
>>concerning the relative performance of the TSENG chipset to the current
>>alternatives?
>
>It may no longer reign as the fastest of the SVGAs, but it makes for a very
>fast and cheap hi-res/hi-color display.  I've been using a 486-33 setup with
>a ~$100 Tseng board and find it to be faster than my A3000 for many operations.
>The only modes that it feels slow in are modes that no Amiga to date can hope
>to match.

To my knowledge the Tseng is still the fastest NONACCELERATED vga-chip around.
The other ones gain their performance only from some functions which provide
a very restricted subset of the native Amiga-Blitter's instructions, but they
lose heavily in transfers over the system-bus.

>>>HiColor in already incorporated into the setup. 
>>
>>Nice.
>
>Is this the 32k color mode or the 64k color mode?  I now have a 486-50 at
>work with a newer Tseng board that supports 64k colors in up to 800x600
>as well as resolution up to 1280x1024.  There are also lots of really weird
>modes that can be programmed in much the same way the ECS can.

It is the 32K color mode since the RAMDAC we're using doesn't support more
colors (Sierra SC11483).

Ciao, Klaus.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Klaus Burkert        email: burkert1@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de
Brandweg 11          voice: +49-851/83993 (only pm please)
D-W-8390 Passau   /  Federal Republic of Germany
From: beilby@latcs1.lat.OZ.AU (Scorpius)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 3d enterprise
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:19:46 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

>Here is a Modeler 3d enterprise. Saved as a text file. It should work with
most 3d modelers.


Could somebody outline the format of the Modeler 3d files?  I'm doing a project
to do hidden surface removal, and running the enterprise through it would make
a very good demo.

Related to the above:  Anybody got a good hidden surface removal alg?


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From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: RTAP and 2.04
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:27:07 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

I used RTAP extensively to play large ( 30meg) anims off my GVP Series II
Quantum hard drive under AmigaDos 1.3 I got seamless animation when using
a large mem buffer.

Under 2.04 I can not get a seamless animation i.e during disk access the
animation stops. This happens now matter what the buffer size is i.e 6 meg
or the priority of the decompression.

I am going back to 1.3 using SetCpu. I have a 68030 card with 4 meg of RAM
and 4 meg on the GVP
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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Color printers
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:17:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <64127@cup.portal.com>, by LadyHawke@cup.portal.com (Classic - Concepts):
>> My dealer claims that the output from the Canon is "magazine
>> quality" and I understand that it _is_ 360 x 360 dpi ...
> 
> Your dealer needs to renew the prescription for his/her glasses.
> The Canon bubblejet ($2500), rather than being pricey, is 
> actually low end color printing technology.  And it is not
> by any stretch of the i m a g i n a t i o n 'magazine quality'.
> It's stippled and grainy, the colors are 'nice' but not true.
> It's pretty good for the price, but then consider ...
>

Ok, let us suppose I don't have $8,000 and up to spend on a
printer, is the Canon 800 significantly better than say a
Paintjet (180x180 - I can get a used one for $500).  

In your opinion, what is the best printer (or top 2 or 3) in the
under $2500 price range? 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: PageStream
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:36:53 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > Can PageStream 2.2HL run text around both sides of an irregularly shaped
 > *bitmap* graphic?  (Like PageMaker 3.0 and up.)

Of course.  That's the only thing you can see represented on the screen, so
all graphics images that are visible are bitmaps of some sore or other. 
I'm refering to scanned images, IFF pics, etc.  EPS graphics can be used
but only show a box on the screen with an "X" in it.  There are probably
some EPS type files with bitmap info in the header that can be viewed but
since I do not have a PS laser printer, I don't normally get into that.


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From: LadyHawke@cup.portal.com (Classic - Concepts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Help me pick a LaserPrinter!
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 08:20:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Aug12.212122.15003@athena.mit.edu>

> I've been told by computer stores that for graphics, this
> resolution enhancement is more important than PostScript.
> Is this true?

    If they told you this, they are confusing issues.  Both PostScript
and non-PostScript printers can include resolution enhancement
features.  More important than PostScript?  I'd pick PostScript over a
non-PostScript enhanced resolution printer.  PostScript isn't just a
bunch of pretty fonts, it's a complete page description programming
language.  As such, it's far more powerful and flexible than a
standard printer.  However, if you don't have the skills/time/interest
to take advantage of PostScript's power, then the extra money might
not be worth it in your particular case.  You'll have to decide.

> I can't believe that a picture that only takes a meg of amiga memory is 
> going to require 5 megs of printer memory - am I right?

Depending on the type of printer, you need at least 3-5 megs of memory
to do any useful, professional graphics work on a PostScript printer.

Here's a suggestion, if you are constrained by your budget to buy a
non-PostScript 300 dpi printer.  Create the images as large as you
can, with nice thick, clear lines on good quality bright white paper.
Then take this original to your nearest service bureau that does
photocopies.  Ask them to reduce it 64% onto transparency film on
their photocopier.  You'll get better quality transparencies (with
less wear and tear on your printer), and the reduction process will
clean up some of the jaggies.  Also photocopy toner generally more
stable than consumer grade laser toner.  It cracks and peels less over
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From: lazarof@weird.miami.fl.us (Lazaro Freire)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: arenderman update!
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:07:01 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

In article <paulg.0awp@weird.miami.fl.us>, paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul
Griswold) writes:
>I think the problem that many of us has with the PIXAR deal is that many of us a
>lready have programs that we enjoy.  I own Imagine 2.0, and even though it isn't
> RenderMan, it was a heck of a lot cheaper!  I couldn't afford another rendering
> program.  Not to mention the time to learn it.  I think that the programs out a
>re great.  Maybe they don't have the name that Renderman does, but for the price
> they are great.
>
>If Renderman came out for $275 or less..... Then I'd be interested.  No more tha
>n that though.
>
>Paul Griswold
Well, See you need to look at this from other angles as well, I am sure that there are higher end users that can pay the money for an AMIGa Renderman and will, This would give our platform higher end users which are willing to invest more money in the machine, developers will see this and support increases and in the long runb everyone is happy.. If they are thinking of porting renderman over to us, more power to them, and in turn more power to us , the end users.. Support from a company like Pixar could r


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: elliott@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee)
Subject: iff files
Organization: UofO
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:11:09 GMT

I was reading through iff.doc (describes the format of iff) and I was
wondering where I could find those iff files that they say are in the
public domain.  These files provide C code to parse and convert iff files

By the way, the file names are:

IFF.H, IFFR.C, IFFW.C
IFFCheck.C
PACKER.H, Packer.C, UnPacker.C
ILBM.H, ILBMR.C, ILBMW.C
ShowILBM.C
Raw2ILBM.C
ILBM2Raw.C
REMALLOC.H, Remalloc.c
INTUALL.H
READPICT.H, ReadPict.c
PUTPICT.H, PutPict.c 
GIO.H, Gio.c
giocall.c	
ilbmdump.c
bmprintc.c
-- 
Elliott Lee
elliott@cs.uoregon.edu
From: paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul Griswold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: arenderman update!
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:15:59 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

I think the problem that many of us has with the PIXAR deal is that many of us already have programs that we enjoy.  I own Imagine 2.0, and even though it isn't RenderMan, it was a heck of a lot cheaper!  I couldn't afford another rendering program.  Not to mention the time to learn it.  I think that the programs out are great.  Maybe they don't have the name that Renderman does, but for the price they are great.

If Renderman came out for $275 or less..... Then I'd be interested.  No more than that though.

Paul Griswold
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (S.P.Zeidler)
Subject: Re: FTP Guru needed
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:15:09 GMT

In <h08f.714160773@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de> h08f@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Faroul) writes:
>You might do
>	ls -lR local_file
>to get a l-ong R-ecursive dir of the site into a file (to print it and seek for
>files that might interest you).
For gods sake, no, don't do this. Any major ftp site has a ls-lR.Z file
in their pub dir. A recursive ls costs resource, and if ppl do that
every half hour or so, the machine will soon not be a ftp server any more,
unless it's a dedicated one, and even then it is wasteful behaviour.
Not to mention that you save yourself time if you get a compressed and
thus smaller file.
(for the real newbies ... .Z means you need binary transmission set.)

regards,
	spz
-- 
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spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de  
 MPI fuer Radioastronomie Bonn  
    Auf dem Huegel 69, Germany  reading prescription: cum kilo salis
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: iff files
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:54:13 GMT
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Distribution: comp
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Aug12.131109.11136@cs.uoregon.edu>, elliott@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee) writes:
> I was reading through iff.doc (describes the format of iff) and I was
> wondering where I could find those iff files that they say are in the
> public domain.  These files provide C code to parse and convert iff files

Get the package NewIFF v37.9 from Fish 674.  It should give you what you're
after.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Converting iff to tiff or pict
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:45:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug21.224529.368
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > How can I change the file format from IFF to something
 > that the mac can deal with.

How about GIF?  There are several PD/shareware programs available that can
convert most IFF pix to GIF.  If your Mac app can understand or convert GIF
images that should solve your prob.  Some scanners save their output in IMG
format which can sometimes be used on different computers.  PCs, STs, and
some Amiga programs, such as PageStream, can use IMG pix... don't know
about the Mac but it might be worth checking.



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From: white@disco-sun3.dfki.uni-sb.de (Andrew P. White)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Guru needed
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:36:25 GMT
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	<1992Aug14.193344.11615@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> <64072@cup.portal.com>
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Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Organization: DFKI Saarbruecken GmbH, D-W 6600 Saarbruecken
In-reply-to: spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de's message of 18 Aug 92 22:15:09 GMT


Try also : quote find .... (where .... is the string you are looking for)
From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Can Firecrackers display animation?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:20:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Aug21.183556.23131@dgbt.doc.ca>

It is perfectly feasable to display non-full screen anims on an FC24.

The transfer rate to the board is reasonably high if you're willing
to animate a subsection of the display.

When writing data to the FC24, you write a 32-bit word which contains
R,G,B and Alpha data; this occurs at the 7mhz bus rate, plus CPU
inst4ruction execution time. ALl in all, you could put up quite a few
pixels at 24 fps.

The catch (there usually is one) is that I know of no software to DO
this. :^(

Ben
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: What's the best all around 24 bit board to buy, really?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:39:25 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug12.171449.26958@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack) writes:
>
> If I remember correctly, the Firecracker 24 uses a regular Zorro II slot, so
> it could also be run in conjunction with a Video Toaster.
>
> As for HamE+, might as well take it off of your list.  No longer produced.

Actually as I understand it, you can also have multiple Firecrackers in
your machine all running at the same time.

 -- Bob Lindabury

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Re: FTP Guru needed
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:57:13 GMT

>I recently gained FTP access and I too am frustrated... There MUST be a way to
>use LS to look for a file within a tree structure, there also MUST be a way
>to read a .README file without FTPing it and then DOWNLOADing it and then
>MOREing it and then DELETEing it and going back for the actual file if you 
>decide the .README was interesting.

   Try this:

   GET filename.readme |more

    this will allow you to read the file on their system.
 
>.README was interesting. AND there MUST be a way to get FTPed sites to not be
>so picky about upper/lower case when CDing and GETing.. AND....
 
   Sorry, case-sensitivity is built into UNIX. One useful trick (if there
are not too many files in the directory) is MGET.

   MGET *

   ...will ask...

   Get (first file)? y/n

   ...so you will not have to type every name.

>Any Ideas where I find information on making the most of FTP?
>
>(and if anyone says "Use ARCHIE to track down an FTP tutorial on the net" I'll
>scream!)

   Archie is a lot better idea than a reality at this time.

>
>Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
>DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine

                                Chris Williams
                                   katefans@chinet.chi.il.us