HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: "To:" lines, Waffle 1.65, and RFC-822
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 16:25:18 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

I am having some problems interfacing Waffle 1.65 (running here at Valinor
BBS) with the mail software of one of my neighbor sites (using
UUPC/extended 1.11k).  The problem evidences itself in a difference of
interpretation of how certain headers in a mail message may be formatted.

I have examined RFC #822, and the problem seems to be with the
interpretation of how the To: line of the header is constructed.
Apparently, when this neighbor site sends outgoing mail, it formats the
header lines such that the address field and the other structured
field-bodies are nicely aligned.  This alignment is performed by adding
"extra" space characters between the colon and the beginning of the
address field.  (In general, it appears that there are usually eight (8)
space characters between the colon on the To: line and the first character
of the address field.)

If there is more than one SPACE character after the colon on the To: line,
the address field begins with a quoted-string ("Alfred E. Neumann" for
example), RMAIL ignores the SPACE characters that precede the
quoted-string and goes on to process the message without any problems.
However, if there is more than one SPACE character after the colon on the
To: line and the address is a 'bare' address consisting of only the
user@domain information, then RMAIL seems to think that these 'extra'
SPACE characters are an address! The .DAT file that shows up in my
outgoing spool directory now has an 'extra' (but illegal) addressee on the
To: line that only consists of an "@" followed by my site's domain name!!!
For example, if the message comes in from my neighbor with the following:

To:        al.neumann@mad.org

then, after RMAIL processes the message, the message in my outgoing queue
has the following instead:

To: @valinor.mythical.com, al.neumann@mad.org

Does RFC #822 provide limits (either minimum or maximum) upon the number
of SPACE characters that separate the "To:" from the mailbox on the
destination line?  Must there be at least one SPACE, and is there any
reasonable interpretation to prevent the existance of more than one SPACE?
Is Waffle 1.65 (and RMAIL) misbehaving (as I believe it is)?  Is there a
workaround???  Many, many thanks in advance to all of you helpful Waffle
Wizards!!!

   Stuart L Labovitz                    Internet:  stu@valinor.mythical.com
    (insert standard disclaimer here)       UUCP:   uunet!valinor!stu
       Duct tape is like the force.  It has a light side, a dark side,
         and it holds the universe together.      --- Carl Zwanzig
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: AGAIN - USER VALIDATION & FILES - AGAIN
Keywords: validation, files
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:20:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.230201.1854@ntmtv> nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian) writes:
|The problem remains unchanged, EXECPT, there seems to be a workaround: If
|I up the PRIVILEGE level (with ADMIN S) to "9" then the user can access
|the FILES area! 

No surprise; sysops are excluded from every access check.

|So, the problem does NOT seem to be related to "errors" in /waffle/system/dirs,
|in /static, missing directories, etc. since that prevent even a user with 
|PRIV=9 to access FILES...

No, many errors in the DIRS file will still allow a priv 9 user to access
the FILES area.

I seem to remember doing this before, but here goes again:

Waffle will never say "Validation is required to use the FILE section" if
you are a sysop.

Waffle will say "Validation is required to use the FILE section" if:

a) there is no DIRS file entry for the root FILE directory
b) there is a /pass= field on the root FILE directory
c) there is an /access= field and the user does not have that access level
d) there is a /priv= field and the user does not have that priv level
e) there is a /group= field and the user is not a member of the proper group

Make *absolutely* sure that your "disks:" line is set up in the STATIC
file, or (a) will be true since Waffle might not be able to figure out which
DIRS file entry corresponds with the directory.  Also make sure your "files:"
line is set to the proper directory in the STATIC file.

What happens when a normal user types "files /public/ibm", or whatever, to
start in a sub-directory?

If you still can't figure it out, email me your STATIC and DIRS file and
I'll try to tell you what you've done wrong.

  Bill
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: MAKEDIG.ZIP now available.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 05:03:21 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

A while back, someone asked for a program to make a Digest out of a
Waffle 1.65 mailbox.  That was right in the middle of the last big RFC
war, I think.

I have just uploaded makedig.zip to halcyon.  It's also available from
my fileserver.  Makedig turns a 1.65 mailbox file into a Digest that
meets all the specifications of RFC 1153.  A copy of RFC 1153 is even
included, in case you don't have your own at hand.

Makedig creates the Digest to standard output, with a Date: and Subject:
header line already placed, so you can pipe directly into rnews or
rmail.  Makedig will also write the digest to a file (without the Date:
and Subject:).  If an admin.txt file is present, an Administrivia
section is included.  Summary lines may be optionally retained.

Included with makedig IS mailidx.  Mailidx essentially does the same
thing as 'makebox -i mailbox.f', but doesn't demand a newline at the end
of a mail item.

I suggested /pub/waffle/misc to halcyon.  Meanwhile, it's in
/pub/incoming.  To get the package from me, send mail to
file-request%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu with the line

/get makedig.zip

As long as your signature sterts with "--\n", you won't get the
helpfile unless you ask. ;->
--
Roy M. Silvernail --    [my opinions] "You can't be serious!"
roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu  [get 'em now]   "Sure, I _can_..."
cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu  [send $19.93]        -- me
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5757 comp.mail.uucp:2483 comp.mail.misc:4185
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: MAKEDIG.ZIP now available.
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:48:12 GMT

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>> > As long as your signature sterts with "--\n", you won't get the
>> > helpfile unless you ask. ;->

>> Say Roy, shouldn't that be "-- \n"?

>By golly, Rick, you're the second person to ask that question.  I
>couldn't find anything in the RFCs I have online here.  But to make
>sure I'm not breaking anything, I'll add both versions to my fileserver.

I think you'll find it buried in either bnews or cnews code.  A suggestion
is offered to keep things backward compatible, if that's even feasible.
Since not everyone (either manually or in their software) tries to use
"-- ", then parsing the string for "--" should be valid.  What about
an either/or routine?  You're doomed, anyway, if someone uses pluses
or "*", or ...

-- 
     halcyon.com, Public Access Internet, Seattle, WA, +1 206 382 6245
                 "A World of Information at your Fingertips"
                 P.O. Box 555, Grapeview, WA 98546-0555, USA
                    ralphs@halcyon.com,  +1 206 955 1050
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Helldiver sugestions
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:48:58 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

Actually, I do have a suggestion for an improvement to Helldiver.  It 
concerns the Address book.  There should be a special field, where we can
write a note or two about the person.  It would make it much easier to use.

Also, while reading mail and news, there should be a copy function, so we 
could copy certain parts to the clipboard.


-- 
=========================================================================
Internet: Ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca     |   I was going to put
Genie:    M.Lombart1                    |   something witty here,
UUCP:     uunet!proteus!mala!ranfry     |   but could think of nothing
Mala's Refuge (514)748-8070             |   so I won't bother!
=========================================================================
From: cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Better news processor for waffle?
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:24:00 GMT
Organization: ISIS, Inc, Ferris TX

In <P0B4VB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:

>> If you're looking for something under MS-Windows, try helldiver.
>> look on halcyon.com under waffle/news.

>Has HellDiver been released, or is it still in beta testing?

I dropped the one from halcyon after the release notice.    
 
I have communicated with the author.  He is adding additional features in a
next release.  I guess that combination makes the release official. 

-- 
 Thanks,
 C. Nelson Baird
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      Opinions expressed are MINE. (not necessarily the company's)
            cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org    
  - - - Intelligent  Solutions In Software, Inc. Ferris, TX - - - - -
From: tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: USENET news <-> Fido echoes
Keywords: FIDO gateway newsgroups conversion
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:57:44 PST
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

> Allowing people to READ-only is not scabbing.  Information flow is only
> one way.

I began by not knowing why anyone with Internet access would diddle with
Fido, and for certain I know not why anyone on any occasion would
read-only Fido echos.  It ain't exactly the Library of Congress, and
late in my Fido incarnation I found I was only posting and looking for
answers regarding the myriads of utilities necessary to mask netmail and
echos as mail and news.  When I dropped Fido, life simplified.

In any event, we're talking of expense here, and the boss node has only
a share of the echo pool, and the charges everywhere are greater for
incoming than outgoing.  The world is funneled through the net into your
node, while the most active board in Lima, Ohio, will put out only a
small percentage of what comes in.

In the two nets I was involved with over time, there was attention paid
strictly to incoming accounting, whereas the outgoing was minimal (even
in San Jose, CA) comparatively and in one case was simply born by our
Net Echo Coordinator.

Points were generally discouraged, anyway, and were seen mostly as a
means of bringing some kid up to speed who just saw his first modem
yesterday...

> Personally I see no difference in allowing callers to a point BBS and
> READING Fido messages, and allowing people to read the contents of those
> messages directly at the terminal!

There ain't no Nielson system to monitor users, so attention generally
is paid whenever the mail moves over the lines.


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tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us - 
uunet!scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!tcbowden
Join the electronic campfire we call Nerdnosh:
nerdnosh-request@scruz.ucsc.edu
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From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: extern progs, but waffle out of mem please.
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:59:09 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

I can get an external program to run from waffle fine... but at some
point the external program "freezes"...  I am assumimg that it is run
out of memory or something.

How can I get Waffle to drop out of memory completely, before I launch
the external program?


---  /|ugust /|bolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: HELLDIVER... I found it... Plus a few suggestions
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:27:59 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
X-Newsreader: Helldiver Packet Viewer 1.00

In <MskQrAtBBh107h@aptzero.lonestar.org> doug@aptzero.lonestar.org (Doug Gault) writes:

>Here are my suggestions for improvement.  

Even though I am saving away all Helldiver suggestions that I see in this
newsgroup, it is probably best if you send them to me via e-mail instead, so
the group can get back to discussing Waffle. :-)

Your suggestions have been noted Doug.  Thanks.

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:05:18 GMT

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
>BUT!!!!  Now I have (drum roll, please)...  LINUX, a
>freely-distributable Unix clone.  Runs cnews, smail, x-windows, etc.,
>*AND* Waffle.  Eight virtual consoles, etc.

it's only because I shamed him into it by getting there first for a change :-)

and now, instead of him having me hooked on Waffle (he's guilty...), I got
him hooked on Waffle in the background and him running X-windows...
hahahahahahahahahaha!!

seriously...if you folks want to run true multitasking and Waffle as a BBS
for something very cheap, you owe it to yourself to take a look at Linux
if you've been thinking about spending the big bucks for an expensive vendor
supplied *nix...

(followups via either mail or to comp.os.linux please...)


-- 
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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5498 comp.mail.uucp:2408
From: krobt@mom.nova.com (Robert Klotz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:49:56 CST
Reply-To: krobt@mom.nova.com (Robert Klotz)
Organization: Nova Research Inst., Norman, OK, USA

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (Lord Yertle) writes:
> > lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown) writes:
> > 
> > >OK, now for the fun part.  Finding a new MX site that is willing to 
> > >forward your mail.  I'd be worried about finding an Internet site nearby 
> > >UUCP-wise that will MX for anybody.
> > 
> > You have to do this before you send the (re)registration in.  It's
> > kind of pointless otherwise, and I'm not sure they'd let you do it.
> 
> There really is a "Catch 22".  You need an operational MX in order to regis-
> ter, but until you've registered, you can't be absolutely sure that your site
> name doesn't conflict with someone else's.  If you have a really good rela-
> tionship with your MX site, you can at least get them to do a "whois" for 
> you, and this will identify a conflicting site name that has fully percolated
> into the system.  But until you've actually registered, you can't be sure 
> that someone won't beat you to the name.
> 
well actually, you can do your own "whois" by sending a message to 
service@nic.ddn.mil.  a good place to start is by sending them a message
with "help"(without the quotes) as the subject of the message.

...robert
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: uucico G protocol patch
From: Jochen Erwied <mack@joker.wes.open.de>
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 15:02:52 CET
Organization: Creative Chaos Computing - Mailbox: +49-281-52975 (22.00-08.00)

rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF) writes:

> I connect to one site that's running SysVr4 and has the G protocol but I
> haven't tried the patch yet.  The traffic doesn't justify it and at 2400
> bps it probably doesn't make much difference.  But there is something I
> wonder about.  The G protocol supports restarting a file at the point
> where the transfer was interrupted.  What kind of problems does this
> cause if you patch Waffle's uucico to masquerade as the G instead of g?
> If the transfer is interrupted what will happen when the SysVr4 system
> asks the waffle system to start a file a at certain place?  Will it be
> able to figure out that the waffle system can't do it or will it fail?

Everything will work as before - only if two SysVr4-uucico's connect,
file transfers will be restartable.

During initial handshaking the two uucico's exchange some flags,
which indicate their capabilities. Since Waffle answers with no options,
no attempt will be made to restart file transfers.

A sample init for Waffle calling SysVr4:

System Answer
SysV   Shere=SysVr4
Waffle Waffle
SysV   ROK

SysV1 calling SysV2:
SysV1  Shere=SysVr4
SysV2  SysV2 -R
SysV1  ROK -R

Only if both systems agree on using the option '-R', file transfers
can be restarted.

> If someone has tested this let us know, if not maybe I'll try it myself.

BTW: After reading through the docs for Taylor UUCP it seems, that the
'G' protocal is supported by SysVr4 only, and it's completely compatible
with the 'g'-Protocol. 'g'-Proto _should_ be able to do more than 64
Bytes per window, but most implementations are limited to the 'standard'
7 windows with 64 bytes :-(

--
   Jochen Erwied - Asternweg 5 - D-W-4230 Wesel - Internet: mack@wes.open.de
    "Spass und Freude durch Musik, wir wollen's laut, das reisst uns mit.
 Denn Rockmusik ist nicht so leise, wie die ganze Schlagerschei**e" [Bonfire]

--
   Jochen Erwied - Asternweg 5 - D-W-4230 Wesel - Internet: mack@wes.open.de
    "Spass und Freude durch Musik, wir wollen's laut, das reisst uns mit.
 Denn Rockmusik ist nicht so leise, wie die ganze Schlagerschei**e" [Bonfire]
From: dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us (David Wm Wrage)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: That header (BAR) line on the top of my screen...
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:36:23 GMT
Organization: * DDT Archives BBS *

Is there any way to remove it or move it to the bottom where it won't bug me as
much?  Moving it to the bottom of the screen would be better, but removing it
is also a valid option.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 David Wm Wrage                   Usenet....dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us
 SysOp of DDT Archives BBS
 614/594-6588 at 2400 Baud        WWIVlink....1@16471     WWIVnet.....1@6471
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Bad headers (was Re: Helldiver is awesome!)
Keywords: Helldiver,MS-Windows,waffle,reader
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 06:11:20 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

carlos@carlos writes:

> In <1992Dec28.215929.20540@nwnexus.WA.COM> vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) w
> 
> >Carlos, if you look at the attribution above, you'll see that your system
> >is putting out garbage headers (carlos@carlos???).  You might want to take
> >a look at the static file setup.
> 
> My STATIC setup is ok.. Helldiver is not looking at the news,netnews,mail,
> netmail headers..  Its literally reading my node entry in STATIC, (carlos)
> and adding the login name (carlos) to make carlos@carlos.

That's exactly what Vince means.  Your static setup is wrong.  The node:
entry in static is suppopsed to carry a fully qualified domain name.  If
your machine's uucpname is carlos, and you don't have an
otherwise-registered domain name, this should most probably be
'carlos.UUCP'.  Make sure you submit a proper map entry to
uucpmap@rutgers.edu, so people will be able to find your site.

> Helldiver's author is going to correct this bug in the next release.. 
> (I Hope!)

Ah, but it's not a bug.  You've given Helldiver bad information to work
with.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --    [my machine ] "Sometimes, you're the windshield....
roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu  [my opinions]            sometimes, you're the bug!"
cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu  [my $0.0275 ]                      --Mark Knopfler
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5708 comp.bbs.misc:1670 alt.bbs:7788 news.software.readers:2601
From: eric@cse.fau.edu (Eric L. Thav)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Offline readers
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:15:24 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <1992Dec29.095354.13628@catfish.az05.bull.com> pls@cibecue.az05.bull.com (Paul Schauble) writes:
>I'm looking for a database oriented offline message reader. By this I mean one
>that doesn't work on a packet by packet basis, but which copies the packets int
>into a running database.

The one I use and prefer is the MegaMail offline mail reader, version 2.10. 
MegaMail (sometimes referred to as "MegaReader", because of the companion
door that shares the "MegaMail" name).  Written by Kip Compton, MegaMail
(the reader) offers compatability with the .QWK standard, as well as its own
proprietary MegaMail .DL standard.  It stores all of its messages in one
database for easy access.  The reader has an internal editor (an external
editor may also be used) that allows you to refer to ANY message that is in
the database (ANY message from ANY BBS from ANY time).

It can be found on many fine systems as MEGAR210.ZIP.  Kip Compton is the
author of the PCRelay and PostLink mail network packages (used by various
networks such as RIME and Intelec).  Lately, most of his time has been spent
on PostLink support, but its rumored that he is going to be working on an
update to the Reader soon.  Considering that it is written in Turbo Pascal
and with the new Borland Pascal with Objects being a major upgrade, I'd say
a lot of new features will be in it.  On the other hand, he switched to
Borland C++ for PostLink, away from Pascal, so it may be re-written in C++
which would still classify for some major new features. <grin>

                                                     /* Eric */

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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Better news processor for waffle?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:11:02 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

> vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:
> 
>> If you're looking for something under MS-Windows, try helldiver.
>> look on halcyon.com under waffle/news.
> 
> Has HellDiver been released, or is it still in beta testing?

well, it's up there for ftp with the author's permission.

if you're running windows, get it - I've seen more positive reviews on
this piece of software than... well, there's a lot.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c