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From: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: wet/dry problems ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:49:59 EST
Reply-To: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


BH>In article <2800179#hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth) writes:
>In rec.aquaria, brian@picasso.icd.teradyne.com (Brian Hunter) writes:
>
>    I also have a problem with small bubbles collecting in the syphon
>    and have to suck them out every few days.  This is a bother but I
>    not sure how to fix it.
>

Hi I am very new to the conference and just started a mini-reef, and I
to have the problem of air in my two 1" syphons.  They flow into the 
pre filter box and then my Acrylic Creations Wet/dry.

I was thinking (yes it does happen, sometimes!) that I might drill a
small hole in the top of the tube and silicone in a small hose with
a small cheap control valve.  The kind you unscrew.  Then this way
I can suck out the air by opening the valve and sucking.  Instead of
taking that little tube and forcing it up to the top and then having 
to take it out again.

It would be one of those things that made life just a little bit easier!

Maybe even a small tube to syphon out the little bubbles as they collect
in the tube?  Gee I havn't really thought about that.  Ah!  I'll let
you guys figure it out.

Thanx Larry.
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From: markh@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Mark Hurwitz)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Pro Choice: The Decision Not to Keep on Keeping a Reef Tank
Date: 25 Jul 1992 21:44:32 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu


	Just wanted to add my own $0.02 to the discussion about the
decision to stop maintaining a reef tank.

	I kept a reef tank for a total about 3 years.  And although it was
beautiful, I finally admitted that it just did not fit in with my lifestyle. 
I travel frequently.  I work late evenings and weekends.  I commute. 
My free time became so valuable that maintaining the tank, which under
other circumstances might have seemed a relaxing part of the hobby, became just
another household chore.  And unlike other chores (washing dishes, etc.),
postponing it could adversely affect the health of many hundreds of dollars
worth of inhabitants.   

	For me it was not a dying-anemone catastrophe but an impending move
which finally motivated me to break down the reef tank and sell off the
inhabitants.   I have set up the tank in my new house, and have populated it with 
fish only, and with nothing more exotic than a yellow tang.  I could not be 
happier.  The swarm of yellowtail blue damsels look great.  I don't have to worry 
if the house gets a little too hot in the daytime.  I turn on the lights in the 
evenings, for my viewing pleasure, not for the benefit of micro algae.  I can 
clean the prefilter every day, or every month.  The total value of the inhabitants 
is approx. $50.  The whole system is so much less sensitive to minor mishandling, 
compared to the reef, that I can finally again *enjoy* my aquarium, instead of 
stressing about it.

	When I have the time available, I might enjoy getting back into reef 
keeping.  But in the meanwhile, I'll keep my hardy-fish-only tank, thanks.

-Mark
From: rivan@bnr.ca (Robert Ivan)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Painted Glass Fish
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:20:26 GMT
Reply-To: rivan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd.


  I saw these painted fish as well.

  But the dealer thought the fish were injected with the paint.
YUCK !

 p.s.  Its even a funnier picture to imagine a bunch of
people with needles injecting these tiny litle guys.
From: ph20@prism.gatech.EDU (Paul D. Haynie)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Questions on South American frogs
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:47:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi Everyone,

I am posting these questions for a friend.  His son has
two frogs that were once some sort of school profect and
are now pets.  They are from S. America and are pipidea??
They are presently living in a 10g tank with no
filtration.   

What sort of filtration would best serve the needs of
these frogs.  Also any information about habits, needs,
etc., about these frogs would be appreciated.

Thanks 
paul

 
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Paul D. Haynie
Georgia Institute of Technology
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From: jj@aquarium.esd.sgi.com (Jennifer Jacobi)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Painted Glass Fish
Keywords: Painted Glass Fish
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:54:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


Thank you to all those that have responded through e-mail 
and news.

It is true that these poor fish are injected with dyes... 
HOW cruel and horrifying!

As Dave Carr stated: 
	"If it was any other animal, [this paint injection] would be 
	 outlawed"

Additionally, If it was any other animal the original retailers 
might be sighted for fraud.  Can you image pet stores selling 
some bread of "green" dog -- only for the new dog owner to find out 
that the "green" was hair dye?   

Well I won't be purchasing any painted glass fish -- thanks 
for the good information.

Happy fish keeping!
--jj
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From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: 150 Gallon Reef Aquarium for sale (Columbus, Ohio)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:33:52 GMT

In article <27JUL199210552628@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith) writes:
>
>Why are you getting rid of it?
>

Look back a few posts for a full account.

Paul

(if not, mail me)

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From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Unrecoverable Application Error)
Subject: Re: [M] Diet for Yellow Tang
Organization: Another school running out of money!  Thanks George!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:55:55 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.012229.17489@vpnet.chi.il.us> kji@vpnet.chi.il.us (Ken Is
acson) writes:
+Anyone else out there have a Yellow Tang?  If so, what do you feed it?
+
+Is a Yellow Tang interested in letuce?
+
Yes, They are vegetarians and like romaine lettuce.  Avoid regular head lettuce
because it has about the nutritive value of kleenex (actually kleenex has
more nutritive value and better roughage).  Use leafy greens like Romaine 
lettuce or spinach.  I've also seen them eat celery tops and bok choy.

It's a good idea to slip them a taste of brine shrimp or some other live food
occasionally too.

Keith.
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From: maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joan C. Maxfield)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: DIY plans
Summary: send me yours!
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:38:58 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


My fiance and I are considering converting one of our old 10g tanks
into a wet/dry.  It would be for his goldfish tank (55g, hopefully as
they are outgrowing the 10g FAST).  I would love to hear any comments
on DIY filters, wet/dry in general, and especially would love to see
any DIY plans anyone may have.  I would also LOVE to hear from any
other goldfish fanatics!
Thanks!
Joan
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: asmadsen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Aaron S. Madsen)
Subject: Beta behavior
Summary:  My own experience...
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: beta splendons, siamese fighting fish 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:11:20 GMT


I have been reading the beta behavior line with some interest.
I have kept half a dozen different male betas over
the time span of 8 years or so, in different tank configs.
I have found each one to have a different personality,
pretty much independent of it's tankmates.  I have found that
the ones I have kept alone have looked the best and lived the
longest.  But of course having one fish in a 20 gallon tank
is a bit extreme, so I have kept various communities as well.
I have found that the most mild mannered beta, if the largest
open water fish in the tank, will pick on other fish that are
mild mannered or reclusive, such as bottom dwelling catfish.
The solution is to add a larger fish, if the beta seems 
not to be much of a fighter.  If your beta does do a lot of 
fin flaring, however, simply supplying plenty of lively 
schooling fish to chase should do the trick.  Of course, if you
don't have the extra room in your tank, you're pretty much
stuck.  I've found in a two or three gallon tank you really
can't squeeze any other fish in to keep the glass clean. :)

Anyway, enough rambling... in my current tank, the infamous
fighting fish had to be transfered to be alone as the others
(mainly a gourami, but also a bumblebee goby chased
him to tatters.  Kind of funny to see a half in long, tiny fish
making a beta run for cover...  Hope this is informative :-)
  

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From: gb@dixie.cs.unc.edu (Gary Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: [F] KILL this algae!
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:33:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science

My tank is becoming more infested with what I think is "beard algae".
It is gray and grows in tufts on the edges of older leaves.  It grips
very tightly so removing it mechanically results in damage to the
leaf.  It has been in my tank for a long time but hasn't been a
problem because it was only on a few leaves which I would just remove.
Now it is on more leaves (still only older ones) and is on most of the
leaves of my large amazon sword.

In an article in TAG, Neil Frank suggests that concentrations of
copper of 0.5mg/l (if I remember correctly) will kill it in about a
week.  Unfortunately I have only one aquarium so I can't move my fish
out.  I fear that the copper will hurt them.

Any cures for this stuff?

gb
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: ferrer@rtsg.mot.com (Arnold S. Ferrer)
Subject: [F]Lighting for a planted aquarium.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:01:17 GMT

I need advice on the best possible way to provide lighting
for a 30L gallon tank. In reading an article in the July
issur of Freshwater and Marine Aquarium, the author stated
that there should be no glass or plastic between the lighting
and water surface.
I have a 30L Perfecto tank and hood combo. I'd like to put a
better hood on top, with 2 24" 20watt full spectrum fluorescent
bulbs. How do I go about doing this, without having anything
between the light and the water. I'd also like it to be safe, so
that I don't get electric shock.
I'd really like to have a nice aquarium with lots of freshwater
plants and some fish. Any advice, would be helpful, thanks.


From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:37:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: (F) CO2 revisited
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria

Having recently experienced an increase in our discretionary spending
money, we began browsing through a recent FAMA to see what we could
buy.  The ad for the Sandpoint "Solution Ground" caught our eye.  I
had talked to Andrew at Sandpoint last August about induced voltage in
tanks and its supposed bad influence on fish.  We figured "what the
heck, let's try it".  After all, at the very worst, grounding the
water probably wouldn't hurt anything.

We have noticed a general decline in the appearence of a couple of the
discus in our 100g Almost Optimum Aquarium (AOA) in the last six
months.  We mysteriously lost a large German Brillant Turquoise female
about 2 months ago (maybe due to a pH fluctuation).  Two other
Turquoise have looked kind of dark recently.  One of them has
developed cloudy eyes.  All the discus once had nice red eyes but have
all lost the redness.  Lastly, the Wattley Turquoise (the one in the
picture in AFM) has had a mild case of fin rot for a few months.

In the last year, we have not changed anything in the way of feeding
or maintenance.  Water quality, pH and hardness have not changed.
Plants are still flourishing.  In other words, nothing that we can
measure would lead one to believe a problem exists.  Measuring the
induced voltage in the tank with a high impedance voltmeter (from
Radio Shack) showed an AC voltage of 0.5 volts.

We bought two solution grounds from Pet Warehouse for about $35 each.
These look like pH electrodes and have a titanium rod for contact with
the water.  You could easily make one out of stainless steel for under
a buck.  There is a 10' long lead with a spade lug on the end that is
connected to a convenient ground (we used the cover plate screw on an
electric outlet).  We put one in the 100g tank described above and one
in our 90g Optimum Aquarium (the "Super Show Tank").  The four discus
in the SST have shown no signs of any problems since the tank was set
up last October.  The SST had 0.4 volts measured.  Both tanks now
measure 0.0 VAC with the grounds connected.

The Solution Ground has been in both tanks for about 1 month.  We have
noticed no change in the SST, so at least nothing bad happened.

However, we have noticed a marked improvement in the AOA.  All three
adult discus have gotten their color back and seem much more active.
The Wattley Turquoise female and a Striated Red male are displaying
courtship behavior (which hasn't happened since the other female
died).  The red color has returned to all the discus' eyes and the
cloudy eyes of the one have cleared up.  Also, in the month we have
had the grounds, the fins of the Wattley discus have begun growing
back and are almost back to normal.  

This was not a scientific experiment with controls or anything.  I was
very skeptical about the whole thing until we saw the overall
improvements in the fishes appearance and behavior.  I'm not saying
that the Solution Ground did the trick, but we are planning on buying
two more for our other tanks based on the observed changes.

We are not associated with Sandpoint, but we are satisfied customers.

---------
George (and Karla) Booth

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Wonderlight
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:55:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Where can one pruchase a "Wonderlight?"  Do they have any signifcant
UV output?  (I know MH do...)

Jon

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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Re: Why three xxx.aquaria?
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Unrecoverable Application Error) writes:
>I'm noticing that the net has a ver clever cross posting device, or at least
>it does here at OSU.  sci.aquaria gets puked out as a bogus newsgroup if you 
>try to subscribe to it.  However, posting ONLY to sci.aquaria causes posts to 
>appear in BOTH alt.aquaria and rec.aquaria!

Your site is misconfigured and refuses to honour sci.aquaria as a 
legitemate group.  Complain to your system administrator.

>At any rate, I think we could combine all into one and nobody >would complain!

Enough people will complain.  See my other posting on the subject.
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From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:47:15 GMT
Subject: [F] Sorry about "my" article in AFM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria

I just received my September AFM and turned with anticipation to part
2 of my article.  Holy Hack Job, Batman, I've Been Edited!  I don't
know why, but all the text relating to the theory and set up of the
filtration, CO2 injection, substrate, hardness, pH and fertilization
was deleted and the maintenance information was substituted in its
place.  Our course, the four figures that support the text were
published without captions or anything!  There shouldn't be any
confusion because of that, will there :-)

I wonder if it was dropped due to the letter from some North Carolina
bozo (page 4) complaining about confusion in the last, admittedly bad,
article concerning water chemistry.

Or perhaps there was too much information that the editor thought was
"untrue or likely to mislead readers" (editorial, page 2).  Well, I
guess if the majority of the readers are bozos, that could very well
be true.  It wouldn't be too difficult to get a complex "optimum
aquarium" screwed up by taking shortcuts and interpreting the info to
suit the budget.

Well, at least the net.readers and [hopefully] the members of the AGA
had the chance to read all the words and form their own opinions.

-------
George


Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Need info on Baltimore Aquarium
Organization: just me
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:17:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria

In article <1992Jul22.143717.1093@meaddata.com> stever@meaddata.com (Steve Rothenberg) writes:
>Folks, 
>I will be in Baltimor over Labor day and would love to see the
>aquarium there. Can you help me with some info please:
>
>1. Phone number of the place
301-576-3800
>2. cost of admission
>3. I was told you can buy tickets ahead of time at a Ticketron
>   for a certain time to get in and avoid the lines, is this true?
For these two, just ask when you call.
>4. Will it be open/crowded on Labor Day weekend?

Yes, and Ohmigawd yes...
>
>Thanks for your help.
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From: russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (David M. Russell)
Subject: Re: Painted Glass Fish
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:19:35 GMT

From article <nr9ppq4@zola.esd.sgi.com>, by jj@aquarium.esd.sgi.com (Jennifer Jacobi):
> 
> On numerous occations I have had to opportunity to gaze at 
> the latest inhabitants of the local fish stores -- painted 
> glass fish.
> 
 ...
 ...
> 
> A friend of mine however purchased a dozen of these creatures 
> AND was told by the retailer that these fish were actually
> PAINTED.  i.e. Someone with a paintbrush actually applied paint
> to the side of these fish.
> 
> Now brace yourselves -- my question is: "Are they really painted?"
> 
> I can't believe this to be true -- visions of people armed with
> paint brushes and glassfish with drying paint on their sides are 
> just dancing in my head.
> 
> This is lore, *right*?  Painted glass fish aren't "painted" are they?
> 
> --jj

   I may be wrong but, as I understand it the are really painted.
Just not how you think. They are painted "chemically". (ie. something
is put in the water that causes the colors.) They colors will also
'wear off' with time. (Not a silly question, I've asked it. Then 
again maybe it is silly.)

 DMR

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: stever@meaddata.com (Steve Rothenberg)
Subject: Let's hear about ACA Louisville!!!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:49:12 GMT
Distribution: usa

Any netters make it down? I am interested to hear about the
activities that you attended. Also in the auction, what types
of new breeds were being sold. Thanks in advance.


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From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: Painted Glass Fish
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:39:21 GMT

I talked to the pet store owner about these guys.  She has decided not to carry
them anymore because she found out these fish are actually injected with dye.
The dye dissipates over time.  

I have a real ethical problem with the idea of injecting a fish with dye.  I
also think that it is bad business to sell someone a fish under false pretenses
(i.e., the dye will dissipate).  

I asked her if she was sure about the glass fish being injected.  She was sure.

Does anyone have any different information?


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From: nclennan@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Neil F. Clennan)
Subject: Re: Fresh Water Angel Fish Eggs
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:47:01 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul27.113251.11971@meaddata.com> derrick@meaddata.com (Derrick  
Tatem) writes:
> Yesterday Afternoon one of my Angel Fish laid several eggs on my power head,a
> first time ever for me. They are in a 55gal. This morning I notice some of  
the
> eggs were missing. I have some questions for you experts out there.
-- Deleted --
>   3. Any reason why some of the eggs were missing? I'm assuming the  
following:
>       a) the parents ate some and/or some fell to the bottom of the tank.
-- Deleted --

A friend of mine who kept angels said that they would eat the eggs anytime
that they were startled. She'd just flip on the lights in the morning and
"gulp", they'd eat the eggs they had laid the night before.

-- Neil Clennan
nclennan@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu
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