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From: morgan@sitka.triumf.ca (Morgan Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Weapon carrying laws
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:22:56 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF, Vancouver BC
Distribution: world
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In article <sprooney.727547831@unix1.tcd.ie>, sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney) writes:
|> I was just wondering what the laws were around the world about
|> carrying swords in public. [...]
|> As far as I know here, it's fine to carry any sword so long as the
|> blade is covered...

Here in Vancouver it is illegal to carry any blade with a length
of 15cm or more in public, unless it is a tool of your trade (I don't
think the police accept "petty criminal" as a valid trade).  In my
understanding, "blade" is defined in this context as a knife (or sword) 
with a sharp edge, so that fencing equipment, costume weapons, and blunted
antiques or replicas can be waved around without difficulty.

Don't know what effect this "edge" clause has on non-edged weapons like a 
duelling epee...

Anyway, collectors seem to cart their edged swords all over the place, so
they aren't controlled in the manner of handguns.  If you started walking 
around with one strapped to your hip everywhere you went, though, I assume
you could be stopped by the 15cm-length rule.

Do any of the American fencers here know if the 2nd Amendment has been 
applied to the case of wearing a sword in public?  I assume the laws 
vary from state to state.

Anyway, I am reminded of an incident a number of years ago, when my car 
was broken into and a number of foils were stolen (the idiots left a lame 
and mask behind).  In reporting the incident to the police, I had to explain
that a foil was a sword, which caused them some concern.  When I pointed out 
that the weapons had neither an edge nor a point, it no longer seemed to 
bother them.  Anyway, it turned out the bonehead thieves dumped the blades 
in the gutter a block away (presumably when they, too, discovered the weapons
weren't actually deadly).

-- Morgan Burke
   morgan@sitka.triumf.ca
From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:42:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Weapon carrying laws
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing

/ hpindda:rec.sport.fencing / mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) /  1:41 pm  Jan 21, 1993 /

>Me, I got stopped a few nights ago by a campus police officer who
>had never seen a foil before....he even called for backup. Fortunately,
>the backup happened to be a lady who knew what a foil looked like, 
>so the unfortunate officer who stopped me almost got laughed at.
>
>But then, I wasn't doing any laughing, 'cause I had my hands on the 
>hood of the car, foil lying on the ground a few metres away....etc.
----------
I had a similar experience carrying a set of Butterfly knives back to a
dorm room.  These were practice knives with 18" blades.  Security saw
me walk by with them and someone called the cops saying I was swinging
them around.  The cops arrived and examined them and I explained that they
were practice knives and that I was not swinging them around (as several
other people also backed me up).  So, be wary when dealing with the police
and always move very slowly if you have what they may consider to be a 
weapon in your hands or nearby.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: Sabre regulations
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:33:53 GMT

In article <sprooney.727554521@unix1.tcd.ie> sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney) writes:
>
>>So what's the dread tactic in epee?
>Epeists don't need a dread tactic... 

Oh? What about the "hit them in the kneecap and finish them while
they're still limping tactic":-)
From: mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Weapon carrying laws
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:41 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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In article <sprooney.727547831@unix1.tcd.ie>, sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney) writes...
>I was just wondering what the laws were around the world about
>carrying swords in public. I say this because I've had to carry a
>couple of foils around with me in the past couple of days (not like

Me, I got stopped a few nights ago by a campus police officer who
had never seen a foil before....he even called for backup. Fortunately,
the backup happened to be a lady who knew what a foil looked like, 
so the unfortunate officer who stopped me almost got laughed at.

But then, I wasn't doing any laughing, 'cause I had my hands on the 
hood of the car, foil lying on the ground a few metres away....etc.

In retrospect, a rather amusing episode, though at the time I was 
stopped, it wasn't so funny...:-) 

Suman

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jbutt@odie.cs.mun.ca (Jonathan Butt)
Subject: Clinton's watch
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:39 GMT


Well, I read these articles, and I thought just a couple of things. First of all, when Clinton was running/jogging, he was doing it as part of his campaign, however, he will probably continue (no one knows if he can swim or ride a bike ?) Any way Most people associate Timex as an american company, an how can Bill purport to be friend of the us worker wearing  swiss watch.? 

Besides, I had one of those watches for years, finlly had to replace it. I felt it ws the best watch I ever had. especially for approx 35.00.

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From: jjiang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (MCAT guru)
Subject: Re: Protein and Performance
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Reply-To: jjiang@ics.uci.edu (MCAT guru)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:14:42 GMT


Does anyone find the Cytomax drink mix helpful in terms of endurance?

Personally, I felt an increase in endurance when I first started taking
Cytomax.  But now it seems like I no longer get as much "kick" out of it as
I used to.  I can't be building up tolerance to this thing, can I?

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a job application form."	 --Stanley J. Randall

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: lwm3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (LANCE WILLIAM MUZSLAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re:  lap counting
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:30:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The best way to keep track of the lap count is to monitor the pace clock as you
swim by peaking at it just before you make your turn at one end of the pool.
Obviously this assumes that there is a visible pace clock at one end of the
pool.  When you know what your approximate time is for each 100 yds/m then by
seeing where the second hand on the clock is, you can figure out how far you
have gone so far.  I prefer to keep track of my swimming by distance rather
than lap numbers.  You can also note where the minute hand is before you start
so that you can figure out the distance swam once you're finished.  I find
that my confusion usually only concerns if I am on 400 yds or 450 yds for
example, so that I only need to watch the second hand.
From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:53:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Swimming Technique
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

In rec.sport.triathlon, passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:


shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Shampain Shon F2A x8109 ) writes:
|>On the subject of breathing, when I started to swim I breathed on one side
|>only, which was the left.  Most others that I knew breathed to the right.
|>After awhile I traced this to sleeping, in that when I lay down on my
|>stomach, I *always* turn my head to the left.  In this way I suppose the
|>left-turning muscles are more supple than those to the right, and in turn
|>it was more natural.  Is this wierd or what?
|>
|>shon shampain
|>shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
         
>>-> I am exactly the opposite. Like you, I breath off the left side,
     (or used to, now I alternate breath), but find my range of motion 
     too restricted to turn my head to the left comfortably, when lying
     on my stomach.   

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kerry@brabo.esd.sgi.com (Kerry McCracken)
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:25:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.192836.28069@walter.bellcore.com>,
kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.152936.21703@advtech.uswest.com>,  Doug Jones
|> <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com> writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Anybody watch the swearing in of Clinton yesterday ??
|> |> 
|> |> he was wearing a Timex Ironman watch
|> |> (though, it was only the 8 split model).
|> |> 
|> |> be careful at your next race, that person you swim over 
|> |> might just be the president !!
|> |> 
|> 
|> I'd hate to think of what the Secret Service agents would do to you in
|> the water if this happened;  how would they wrestle you to the ground?

Nice to know we finally have a president who we can relate to ... at least
he can give the secret service guys a run for their money ... pardon the
pun ... rather than considering a golf cart ride as exercise!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: keefe@jargon.whoi.edu (Rob Keefe)
Subject: Book, bike, & blades
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:34:00 GMT

A few questions for the net:

	1. I just bought Sleamaker's book, SERIOUS Training
for Serious Athletes, and I'm considering following his training
program. I'm interested in other triathletes experiences with
his rather formulaic approach. Is it properly balenced for triathlon
training?

	2. Riding the staionary bike in the winter is about as
exciting as watching the grass grow or listening to Ron Brown 
speak. What workouts can be easily incorporated into this type of
training to spice things up.

	3. I occaisionally go rollerblading for a long easy workout
when I feel like I'm overtraining on the bike or running. Does rollerblading 
(every once in a while, as opposed to a consistant program) contribute
in any way to a triathletes training program?
 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: pannen@gmd.de (Thilo Pannen)
Subject: Hawaii'92 bike statistic
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:14:20 GMT


Here are some bike statistics about the Hawaii Ironman '92
published in the german Triathlete 12/92.
This survey was prepared by Dan Empfield (Quintana Roo). 


A. Number of bicycles with brand xxx in the "parc ferme" 
B. Number of bicycles with brand xxx finished in the top 50

There were 1400 bikes and 160 different brands.

		 A	B
		---------
Kestrel		123	6	 4.9 %
Trek		118	0
Cannondale	 88	2	 2.3 %
Quintana Roo	 59	7	11.8 %
Specialized	 48	1	 2.1 %
Klein		 44	0
Vitus		 38	1	 2.6 %
Look		 26	0
Litespeed	 24	0
Centurion	 23	1	 4.3 %
Giant		 21	0
Schwinn		 20	2	 1.0 %
		----------------------
		632    20	29.0 %

632/1400 = 45 % and 20/50 = 40 % in the top 50. 
More material than power ??

There were also 2 bikes of each following brand in the top 50:
Merlin, Allsop, KHS, Nishiki and C4.

19 bikes were Allsop soft-ridden.

The sizes of wheels were:
		 
		 A	B
	       -------------
700c front
and rear	84 %	70 %
26'' front,
700c rear	 1 %   1.5 %
24'' front,
700c rear      0.5 %	 0 %
26'' front
and rear	13 %	27 %


Frame material:
		CrMo	46.5 %
		Alumin.   18 %
		Carbon	  33 %
		Titanium 2.5 %


{:-), Thilo

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From: gstephen@neumann.une.edu.au (Glenn Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Race Organisers
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:36:40 GMT

Howdy People,

	Just wondering if there were any Race Organisers out there who 
would like to buy a copy of my Triathlon Timer program for the IBM or
any compatible machines. Its at a very reasonable rate of 100 Australian
dollars if you are in Australia or 90 American dollars if you are in    
America. This includes a full manual and the program. If you want any
information on this just mail me at   

	gstephen@neumann.une.edu.au

Also if you need anything written . eg a Biathlon program that can be done
within a day for you including manual.
 	So if anyoneone would like some information or just a chat about   
triathlon the most excellent sport in the world they are  most welcome to.

			Forever in Training
			Glenn Stephens.
			(gstephen@neumann.edu.au)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: fossumt@stolaf.edu (Theodore B Fossum)
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:54:21 GMT

I don't mean to kill discussion on this newsgroup, BUT....

We have already covered this topic awhile ago with the pretty
near all the same comments.  Even the talk of Clarence Thomas wearing
the watch.  I think we can put this one to.  Rest.  He wears the watch
,just like thousands of triathletes and coash-potatos.  He runs a little
on the side.  Good for him.  If he keeps it up, it isn't a election
tactic.  If he quits and starts around campaign, we know differently.


And hey, maybe it was a gift.

Ted
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:14:21 GMT

sl1yn@riverheights.declab.usu.edu(869483 Denys Larry) writes:
>  Is this a joke?  This is the "man", (I don't really consider professional
>politicians men.), whose idea of exercise is "jogging" a half mile to the
>nearest burger joint.  I think the whole jogging thing is a gimmick to
>make Clinton look active. 

Not that I'm a big Clinton supporter (although I despise Bush) but all the
press reports I've seen mention 3-mile runs.  That's not alot but it sure is
different from a half-mile.
-Terry


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
From: sl1yn@riverheights.declab.usu.edu(869483 Denys Larry)
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:04:56 MDT
Reply-To: sl1yn@riverheights.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1993Jan22.022524.8178@odin.corp.sgi.com>, kerry@brabo.esd.sgi.com (Kerry McCracken) writes:

|>In article <1993Jan21.192836.28069@walter.bellcore.com>,
|>kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
|>|> In article <1993Jan21.152936.21703@advtech.uswest.com>,  Doug Jones
|>|> <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com> writes:
|>|> |> 
|>|> |> Anybody watch the swearing in of Clinton yesterday ??
|>|> |> 
|>|> |> he was wearing a Timex Ironman watch
|>|> |> (though, it was only the 8 split model).
|>|> |> 
|>|> |> be careful at your next race, that person you swim over 
|>|> |> might just be the president !!
|>|> |> 
|>|> 
|>|> I'd hate to think of what the Secret Service agents would do to you in
|>|> the water if this happened;  how would they wrestle you to the ground?
|>
|>Nice to know we finally have a president who we can relate to ... at least
|>he can give the secret service guys a run for their money ... pardon the
|>pun ... rather than considering a golf cart ride as exercise!

  Is this a joke?  This is the "man", (I don't really consider professional
politicians men.), whose idea of exercise is "jogging" a half mile to the
nearest burger joint.  I think the whole jogging thing is a gimmick to
make Clinton look active. 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon,rec.sport.swimming,rec.running
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: lap counting device
Keywords: neat little thing
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:33:22 GMT


...I received a new Sharper Image catalog yesterday 
and came across a lap counter/stop watch that might
interest some of you:

It's called SportCount (tm).  It's a waterproof digital
timer that slips over your index finger and counts laps
by a touch of your thumb.  Counts up to 99 laps, displays
elapsed time, and doubles as a stopwatch.  "Afterward, it
can display your total workout time, average lap time,
which lap was your fastest, and how fast is was."

...has five year battery...

SportCount (tm) Ring: Sharper Image #BO100. $29.95 plus $4.50
shipping.  1-800-344-4444.  Overseas 415-344-4444.




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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From:  Doug Jones <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Originator: jonesey@crystal
Reply-To:  Doug Jones <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com>
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:29:36 GMT


Anybody watch the swearing in of Clinton yesterday ??

he was wearing a Timex Ironman watch
(though, it was only the 8 split model).

be careful at your next race, that person you swim over 
might just be the president !!

ddj
From: kyle@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:33:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School

On a similar trivial note, during the Anita Hill scandal Clarence 
Thomas was wearing a Timex Triathalon (not and Ironman one though).
I wonder what he was using the countdown countup function for.


PS. They are great watches, especially the IndiGlo

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From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:00:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <Jan.26.16.51.41.1993.4438@gandalf.rutgers.edu> arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands) writes:
>fossumt@stolaf.edu (Theodore B Fossum) writes:
>
>>I don't mean to kill discussion on this newsgroup, BUT....
>
>
>Please do, it is long overdue!!!
>
>

I've always thought it IRONic to post messages saying let's not
post messages about some  subject. 

The great philsopher-salesman Bob Dobbs once said:

"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person
I'm preaching to!"

I guess Theodore and Rolf can relate to that!

Bruce Cheney
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Book, bike, & blades
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:46:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan26.003400.21004@netnews.whoi.edu> keefe@jargon.whoi.edu (Rob Keefe) writes:
>A few questions for the net:
>
>	1. I just bought Sleamaker's book, SERIOUS Training
>for Serious Athletes, and I'm considering following his training
>program. I'm interested in other triathletes experiences with
>his rather formulaic approach. Is it properly balenced for triathlon
>training?

Last year I incorporated a lot of Sleamaker's ideas into my training
and improved a lot, especially for the long races.  This year I outlined
my year as he does, beginning with 4 4-week BASE sessions.  I usually
have a heavy-hard week followed by an easier week.  I for one vouch that
it works.  The main idea is you know what kind of workout you're doing
before you step out of the door.  I was actually bored enough to outline
weekly workouts for the entire year.  It helps you avoid a lot of the
garbage miles.

I think his plan is flexible enough for any endurance athlete.  It's up
to you to balance your swimming/running/cycling.  During the season, I
usually tried to maintain balance by doing an equal number of workouts
in each sport (i.e. 3x swim/week, 3x run/week, 3x bike/week).

What I notice is I feel sluggish and tired all through the easy weeks
but at the start of the next week I feel like an animal.  I think my body
(and mind) is recovering from all the abuse I give it. 

>
>	2. Riding the staionary bike in the winter is about as
>exciting as watching the grass grow or listening to Ron Brown 
>speak. What workouts can be easily incorporated into this type of
>training to spice things up.

One of my favorites:  Pick out one of your favorite albums/CDs and turn
up the volume.  Warmup while the first three songs play.  On the start
of the fourth song shift up a few gears and spin hard (in a gear you can
spin comfortably at 100+ RPM).  Continue until the song ends.  During
the next song spin lightly to recover.  Go hard again when the sixth
song starts and easy when the seventh begins.  Continue like this
until the album is over or you fall off your bike.

I found old Police albums work well, but music like Peter Gabriel
doesn't (too mellow).  Have fun.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Clinton with Timex Triathlon watch
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:28:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.152936.21703@advtech.uswest.com>,  Doug Jones <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com> writes:
|> 
|> Anybody watch the swearing in of Clinton yesterday ??
|> 
|> he was wearing a Timex Ironman watch
|> (though, it was only the 8 split model).
|> 
|> be careful at your next race, that person you swim over 
|> might just be the president !!
|> 

I'd hate to think of what the Secret Service agents would do to you in
the water if this happened;  how would they wrestle you to the ground?