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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:12:04 GMT

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>  Quotes from various people in the PowerPC project; the latest Byte
>reports a possible price of $50 for the 601.  Personally, I think it'll
>be more like $1000.
              ^^^^^

  Well, that was a blunder and a half!  I meant $100.
  

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Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
"...there is only one thing worse than having marketing people on a project,
 and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
From: u2d92@keele.ac.uk (Matthew J. Gumbley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:20:19 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

[Talk about the \ and / characters, and their function in AmigaDOS, UNIX,
and MS-DOS]

Yes, you can change the \ (or is it / ?? :) ) character in MS-DOS, but you
have to use an undocumented system call, known as SWITCHAR to do it. There
is an article in possibly (don't quote me on this one) Sept '88 BYTE called
"Undocumented DOS" in which this, and many of the other great DOS Functions
are discussed. 

"I'm a real operating system, folks - lookee here at all these bolt-ons - 
Jeez, you even have to use undocumented system calls to do anything useful, 
like writing TSRs... Hey, I sure wish I had Commodities.." -MS-DOS 5.00 

--
Matt J. Gumbley              || Still needs a good signature, not liking
u2d92@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk    || any of his recent feeble improvements on:
University of Keele, England || Why can't _I_ think of a good signature?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas)
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:08:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.165421.10905@oracle.us.oracle.com> dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.011451.8806@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
>>                                                   ... but you soon *will* be!
>Now what iszat supposed to mean?

And why, an hour after posting this, did a sysadmin get in touch with me to
talk about my account?  ;)

>David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is apparently supposed to be dnavas@us.oracle.com -- and no, I have no
idea why it posts the return as dnavas@oracle.uucp....

-- 
David Navas                                   	jazz@netcom.com
						dnavas@oracle.com
"If it wasn't for the fact that I worked so hard, I'd be a very lazy person."
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:09:44 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>I'd be getting out the flamethrower and TORCHING the thing..... [well, not
>really, I'm not a book burner, even of stuff -I- consider -trash-  When
>Playboy has images of males that are just as sexploitive of males as its
>airbrushed zipless f*ck females, 

  It's called Playgirl.

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Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
"...there is only one thing worse than having marketing people on a project,
 and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: CU Amiga (was Re: amiga a1200.....
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:54:29 GMT

lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>"robert buonincontro" (robert.buonincontro@canrem.com) wrote:
>> 
>> First, Commodore has just released the A1200! Have you ever seen them dump 
>> a computer so fast! It's doesn't go with their pattern. They take years to 
>
>I have: A500+ ! :-)

Actually, I picked up my first European Amiga magazine (CU Amiga), and the
A500+ is still advertised quite a bit.  Unfortunately, this and the A600
appear in far too many ads.  The A1200 is catching on well, though.

I have the January issue of CU Amiga, and I have a few questions:

Has anyone played the final release of Street Fighter 2?  I quickly became
addicted to this game on my brother's SNES...

Is Expert-4D the worst renderer or what?

How come I haven't heard much about this Wordsworth wordprocessor?  It
looks quite excellent.

What is this B5000 accelerator for the A500?  Who is the manufacturer?

Finally, how can I get all of this stuff in the states?!

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:50:49 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
  110215.6729@desire.wright.edu><1993Jan24.080513.20104@microsoft.com><1993Jan2
 4.212128.6773@desire.wright.edu>,<74354@cup.portal.com>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

>> Thing I never understood, why is it that I never seem to see a Greenpeace
>>spokesman with a degree in the area he is talking about?
>>they all seem to be non-technical people. Is this just an impression
>>I'm getting?

A degree does not make one "know" a field.  If just means you had the
patience to sit in class rooms and listen to the teachers tell you
what the field is.  I know many people who do not have degrees in a
certain area of study that know MUCH MUCH more that others that do.
It's all individualistic.


Jim Martin
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          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:13:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.154017.13435@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
 > Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
 > : >
 > : > Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
 > : > and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
 > :
 > : Because  CD  /  is  ever so slightly faster to type.
 > :
 > 
 > Maybe, but how then do you go to the root directory?  Whatever it is, it's
 > another way that AmigaOS is inconsistent with UNIX.

It's CD :, actually, and what's so bad about being inconsistend with UNIX?  After
all, MS-DOS ain't exactly a carbon copy of UNIX - and I assume (since you're
posting to this thread) that MS-DOS (or the OS/2 shell) is your measuring stick.

 > :
 > : Having to type \'s is more  difficult  than /'s.
 > :
 > 
 > Why?  Does it take more than one stroke to produce a backslash?

Usually, the backslash is out of the way (like top right), whereas the forward
slash is close to the right shift key.

 > : And the "cd .." thing is easy to fix, by simply
 > : adding  a  different  cd  command -- trying to "fix" the "\" thing would be
 > : impossible since its so deeply rooted into the system.
 > 
 > Really?  Then how come PolyShell does just that (lets you use '/' in MS-DOS)?

Um.  Of course that's a different shell, not simply a new command.  You do have a
point, though.  For what it's worth, I use '.' and '..' all the time, with SKsh.
If you're changing shells (or adding commands, I suppose), the entire discussion
gets a little pointless.  Well, a little MORE pointless.

 > |    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |

-Eyvind

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Any working A1200s yet?
Originator: etxansk@garbod26
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:25:22 GMT


 Are there any A1200 computers yet that actually work, that haven't
been returned by the stores?

 Even without a DSP and hardware scaling/rotation, the A1200 seems
to be a good machine. Too bad if they released it too early, thereby
giving it a bad reputation.

 Anders Skelander

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: CU Amiga (was Re: amiga a1200.....
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:14:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.211157.11660@maths.tcd.ie> kpjeacle@maths.tcd.ie (Karl Jeacle) writes:
>abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
>>2).  Kindwords 3 is a scaled-down version of Wordsworth, but it is pretty
>>good already... we don't hear too much of it because we are living in the
>>States, and Wordsworth 2 is published by a British company.
>
>Sorry, way out... Wordworth 2 is published by Digita International, and
>has absolutely _nothing_ to do with Kindwords 3 (published by the Disc
>Company). Most UK Amiga magazines rate Wordworth 2 quite a bit higher
>than Final Copy II... apart from UK dictionary I see no reason why it
>can't be bought direct from US. Digita can be reached via...
>Tel: +44 395 270273, Fax: +44 395 268893.

Well almost right. Kindwords 3 _was_ written by Digita, and the
screen even looks like Wordworth 1.1. However I doubt very much
that Kindwords 3 will be half as good as Wordworth 2. Of course
there might be a Kindwords 4!

BTW Kindwords 2 and below were some of the naffest progs out. One
UK magazine said "we have _never_ had a kind word to say about
Kind Words". Version 3 is nothing like 2 and less.

--
  ________  Lionel Tun, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk  ________
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/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
\___\_\_\/        071-477 8000 ext 3889       \/___/_/_/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Subject: The 68EEC040 revealed
Summary: These are jokes, folks
Keywords: EEC CAP ECU CPU DSP ABC123 The Jackson 5
Organization: None
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:52:16 GMT

Many people have asked me what the 68EEC040 is.  (Well, ok, a few.  Well, none
actually.)

The 68EEC040 is the latest in a generation of high-performance computer chips.
It has between two and three hundred million transistors.

The Central Processing Unit (CPU), known as "Brussels", coordinates all
activities and descisions on the chip.  Due to some administrative
inefficiency, it runs at 0.000001 Hz.  Also, all descisions must be agreed
upon unanimously by all areas of the chip.

The 68EEC040 now integrates the functions previously performed by the
separate 52001 "Anglo" Digital Signal Processing (DSP) chip (the main
activity of which is to monitor cellular telephone conversations) thanks to
the new "Micro Chunnel" architecture.

The 68EEC040 also features the CAPMU (Common Agricultural Policy Maths
Unit) for solving those tricky problems involving massive subsidization.
-- 
Richard J. Akerman   | akerman@QUCIS.QueensU.Ca    | "No Ed, not the tangent
                     | akerman@QUCIS.BITNET        |  button!  Ahhhhhhhh..."
                     | akerman@bill.phy.queensu.ca | Concepts in Mathematics:
                     | akerman@qucdnast.BITNET     |     Sinusoidal Waves
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:51:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1993Jan22.075608.21518@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

>: Anyone heard anything lately about hydrogen power?  I recall seeing a 
>: program on the television about such a beast.  The fuel was expensive to
>: produce, but they said it would be cheaper if mass-produced and the source
>: (water) is almost limitless.  If I'm not mistaken, the only pollution was
>: water vapor and the conversion from a gasoline engine was not difficult.
>
>And you think that gas is flammable?!?!  Hydrogen makes gas look weak...

I remember reading an article on this years ago in Popular Science.
According to the article, one of the biggest problems with hydrogen is
keeping it contained.  Hydrogen molecules are so tiny that they leak
out right through the metal walls of the engine and storage tanks.
Even worse, under high heat, hydrogen tends to make most metals
brittle, requiring the use of exotic and expensive materials for the
engine.

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmger.10610
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <C1FJ0n.E07@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.004903.19883@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>>In article <C1A1FM.Bws@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
>>writes:
>>
>>>   If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>>>Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  

I doubt that the cited price is true, but no, I haven't any concrete
informations on this issue yet. Only estimations.

>>If Lew Eggebrecht's comments during the information session at the WOC in
>>Toronto are any indication, an A4000/030 is also slated for release at
>>the same time, as is the A4000T.
>
>   The introduction of an '030 A4000 and an A4000T would not solve the 
>problem as I stated it above.  An A4000 with a full '030 would obviously 
>be more expensive than an A4000 with the EC030, and the A4000T would be
>more expensive still.  

Of course, trivial. Where's the problem?

>If there is a hole in Commodore's product line 
>between the A1200 and the A4000 with EC030, introducing full '030 and
>tower models obviously would not fill that hole.  

That's why we will probably see an A4000/EC030 first. Now, will this
fill your "hole"?

>Commodore basically needs
>to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and detached keyboard, and not more
>A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping hole in their product line.

But please wake up and look at your 1200/30/sep.key: Where on earth is
that so different from an A4000/EC030??? I bet *you* would be the first
whining about missing slots. And if these were indeed added, *any*
difference to an A4000 would be gone. Where do you see a hole?
And if you finally say "price", then let me again say that I strongly
assume that any price range hole will get closed eventually.

-- 
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Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:30:43 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan26.162343.14030@fcom.cc.utah.edu> carl@jordan.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:
>In article <10583@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>
>>ago. Thus also electricity is no solution either, as you have to produce
>>it in powerstations that a) produce masses of carbon dioxide either, or
>>b) are nuclear and will transform the whole world into Tchernobyl area
>>earlier or later.
>
>I don't believe fission is the ultimate answer to our energy problems, but yor
>statement above is ludicrous (IMHO).  Do you know anything about MODERN reactr
>design (not Chernobyl) or do you just believe everything you hear in the media
>BTW, I agree that harnessing energy from the sun is the ultimate goal for an
>energy source, but for now nuclear power is one of the most environmentally
>safe major sources of energy available today.

earlier or later is the key word.  I think you will admit that the waste
produced does not even go away easier than even masses of CO2.  If fission
becomes a majority power source because it is "environmentally safe", and
we have it as a major power source for 70 years or so, its effects will
be much more long lasting than even CO2 pollution.  In the *real* world,
corporations will skim to make money, in the *real* world, they do not
package their waste effectively enough to avoid leakage, and in the
*real* world, piles of leaking nuclear waste will do more damage than
coal burners even will.  Remember, if we stop releasing CO2 and CO, it
will eventually even out... nuclear waste does not "biodegrade", nor
does it mellow out after a period of 5 years.  (Try 100..or longer).
Nothing on this planet consumes nuclear waste, think about it.

No, *your* statement is ludicrous.  


-- 
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:43:51 GMT

In article <10549@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>What is a Mac?

They sell them at MacDonnalds(sp?).

>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...

P.S a (R)eply to you will bounce (did last time I tried).
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@spcklr.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:18:47 GMT

In <1993Jan25.154017.13435@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Maybe, but how then do you go to the root directory?  Whatever it is, it's
>another way that AmigaOS is inconsistent with UNIX.

That's because AmigaOS is not UNIX and it isn't usually used in a UNIX-like
environment. F.e. you have several root directories in AmigaOS which is
convenient if you have removable media (you really _want_ to know on which
media your data is then).

>: Having to type \'s is more  difficult  than /'s.
>Why?  Does it take more than one stroke to produce a backslash?

That largely depends on the keyboard. American keyboards have a convenient
position for the / and varying positions for \ (including some keyboards
that need ctrl-alt-< with a < key directly beside the small left shift
key). On german keyboards the / is a shift-7 and the \ rarely exists.

>Really?  Then how come PolyShell does just that (lets you use '/' in MS-DOS)?

It probably translates all filenames for shell commands. But it hardly
changes the way programs treat filenames since these will not ask the
shell to translate the filenames. :)
Of course the same problem exists on most OS'es. I wouldn't call it severe
though. There's nothing wrong with different forms of path names, it is
a matter of convenience and maybe taste what form you like. I myself don't
like MS-DOS pathnames (mostly because on our keyboards it is hard to type
the \, the 8+3 filename limit is of course another reason) and I would prefer
something else than a leading / to specify the parent directory used in
AmigaOS. It makes pasting relativ pathnames together non-trivial.

Regards,
--
Michael van Elst
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                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 - Why so slow.....
Date: 24 Jan 93 11:54:00 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan21.203154.24787@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
> In article <1993Jan19.031658.29955@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>While I would never expect the A1200 to keep up with a 486, I am disappointed
>>in the 256 color performance.  A 386-25+Windows 3.1 and a decent $100
>>video card shows faster window updates.
>> I must conclude that it is the
>>software, and not the hardware, at fault here (but then again, outside
>>of medicine, my conclusions are irrelevant).

	I disagree, at least in a preliminary fashion.  I played with an
	Amiga 1200 at the local dealers, and I found it to be no slower
	that some 386DX/25s with decent SVGA cards when using the 256 color
	GUI.  In fact it seemed suprisingly zippy for an '020 machine.
> 
> Nope, it's the hardware. At DBLNTSC:HiRes No Flicker at 256 colors
> you are sucking 100% chip memory badwidth. Since I doubt your A1200
> (like mine) has fast ram then the CPU only has access to memory
> during the vertical blank. This results in mud-sucking performance.
> Add some FAST ram and you will see an improvement, bit no miracles.

	The machine I played with had a 4mb fast ram expansion.

> 
> And yes, modern acclerated SVGA cards are faster than AGA
> when the SVGA cards are running Windows. This is becuase many
> of the windows graphics primitives are implemented in the
> hardware on the SVGA card.

	Which cards, specifically, are you talking about and how much
	do they cost?
> 
> But then again, even the fastest SVGA cards lack sprites and
> BOBS and the things thak make an Amiga an Amiga.
> 
> I think AGA will compete very well with fast SVGA once programmers
> learn to use the new OS calls for things like doublebuffering and
> the multimedia extensions that have been mentioned for OS 3.1.
> 
> Ian.
> -- 
> "Well, I'M not worried.  I bought the optional BLAZESHOTGUN accessory
> pack COMPLETE WITH the economy "Saturday-Night-Special" 12-ga. dubble-ought
> dozen!  (Indispensible aid in communicating with Customer Service)."
> MAIL : IANK@MICROSOFT.COM
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: And now for something completely different...
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:02:50 GMT
Organization: BLAZEMONGER Legal Defense Fund

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