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From: fowler@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jim Fowler)
Subject: Re: Looking for a leather jacket (London)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:10:01 GMT

There are numerous leather shops in the Soho area -- south of Oxford Street,
north of Picadilly Circus.  I don't know that any particular shop is any
better than any of the others; I just wandered around until I found one that
had the style I wanted.  That shop had no posted prices -- I bargained with
the clerk.  Got a good deal to, at least for what one pays for leather jackets
here in the states.

-- 
Jim Fowler			"Here are the young men
fowler@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu	 with weight on their shoulders"
Electrical Engineering			- Joy Division
The Ohio State University
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Fields
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:04:37 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep13.220712.27820@menudo.uh.edu>, mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde) writes:
|> At least two of the Fields of the Nephilim cds can be gotten domestically.
|> (It may be three.) I'n not absolutely certain which titles I got as imports
|> and which were domestic, but here goes:
|>   Dawnrazor	domestic
|>   The Nephilim	domestic
|>   Elizium	import
|>   Earth Inferno	import (I believe it is available domestically now)
|> 
|> They are all on the RCA Beggars Banquet label.
|> 

You left out "Laura" which I believe is import only.  

Nhan
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: reiners@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Gothick Fiction
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:53:16 GMT

In article <BuBxsu.B1F@acsu.buffalo.edu> v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli) writes:
>
>	I'm a grad student at the University of Buffalo doing reasearch 
>on gothick literature.  Specifically:  the way the popular fiction of 
>the late 18th and early 19th century was recieved aesthetically and (more
>importantly) politically by the journals of pre-victorian and early 
>victorian England.  I've had limitted success at the libraries--I've found 
>the "European".  I'd also be interested in finding some specific titles
>of the popular serial fiction, "penny dreadfuls" they were called (things
>other than Anne Radcliffe and Matthew "Monk" Lewis).

You might want to read _The Wandering Jew_ by Eugene Sue.  It's sort of a 
gothic.  It was serialised in a French newspaper in 1844-5.  It's a brilliant 
book.  I finished it last weekend.  I think it's one of the three or four best
novels I've read.  I'm not exaggerating.  It's very romantic and very 
melodramatic, so, if you're the least bit cynical, you might find it stupid.  
Or, if you're like me, you might love it.  It's also somewhat political.

Paul Reiners
<reiners@iastate.edu>




Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: dwaldhof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Darien Waldhoff)
Subject: Re: Shadow Project address
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 10:44:15 GMT


 Yes, actually, in the U.S., anyway...I'm not sure how the rest of the
world goes tho....

 Darien 
 dwaldhof@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (wen clark t)
Subject: Nephilim
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:27:35 GMT

I've never actually heard anything by them, what are they like? I listen to 
stuff like Bauhaus, Dead Can Dance, etc. so I'd probably like them, too. Any
suggestions? 

This is probably the wrong place to ask, but is there an "industrial" message
base around here? Sorry, I'm new to Unix...

ogre

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@castlab.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: Marionettes info?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:48:08 CDT

In article <1992Sep15.110050.14921@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.043337.2574@menudo.uh.edu>, mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde) writes:
>|> Does anyone know where I might find something by the Marionettes? To date
>|> the only thing I have run across is "Ave Dementia" on the cd "Gothic Rock".
>|> Thanks.
>|> 
>|> jack
>|> --
>
>You mean you heard Ave Dementia and you want to hear more?  Strange man :-)
>Their best single is `Like Cristabel' (sp?) and that, alas, is flawed but I
>still enjoy it.
>
>			Rob.

What do you mean? Ave Dementia is great! (Even though they pronounce "Ave" 
kinda weird.) I find their harmonizing quite unique- I definately wanna hear
some more. Alas the only goth shop in town doesn't have them.

-Christian
From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Marionettes info?
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:00:50 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <1992Sep15.043337.2574@menudo.uh.edu>, mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde) writes:
|> Does anyone know where I might find something by the Marionettes? To date
|> the only thing I have run across is "Ave Dementia" on the cd "Gothic Rock".
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> jack
|> --

You mean you heard Ave Dementia and you want to hear more?  Strange man :-)
Their best single is `Like Cristabel' (sp?) and that, alas, is flawed but I
still enjoy it.

			Rob.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
|                       | Rob Ingram                                          |
|  "Hang loose kid!"    | University of Nottingham                            |
|                       | Department of Computer Science                      |
|                       | Nottingham, UK.                                     |
|_______________________|_____________________________________________________|
|                       |      "Women: Can't live with 'em, can't get them    |
|  rji@cs.nott.ac.uk    |       to dress in skimpy leather Nazi outfits"      |
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: dwaldhof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Darien Waldhoff)
Subject: Kommunity FK
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
 Hi. I was wondering if someone out there knew ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:23:27 GMT

 Does someone know of any albums they might've put out? If so, could you
email me with the list of the album(s), and possibly the song titles too?
Maybe even a place where I could find something?

 Thanks much......email address below....


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From: umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (androgyny)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Looking for some witch boots
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:49:17 GMT


	Hey Ryan-
 
Have you tried NaNa's ? 
Or a general bondage store down in holly wood ?

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From: umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (dark ribbons)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: alt.vampyres
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:28:11 GMT

.. Jeeze, sort of terrifying, the number of posts which go on over there..
 
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umage@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu			and vaguely falling backwards, tomorrow
					i will-   be here again!    - XymoX
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Re: american goth interested in correspondence with european goth chick
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:09:24 GMT

In article <92252.203615GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu> <GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I like music
>by Fields of the Nephilim (which is almost unheard of in the US)

Several of their albums have been released domestically. I can dig out more
info if anyone is interested.

jack

--
jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Marionettes info?
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:33:37 GMT

Does anyone know where I might find something by the Marionettes? To date
the only thing I have run across is "Ave Dementia" on the cd "Gothic Rock".
Thanks.

jack
--
jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Looking for a leather jacket (London)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:41:39 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

in article <1992Sep9.133000.8779@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk says:
> 
> Could anyone recommend a shop/market with a good choice of jackets
> in the central London area? I can't find a decent quality one in my size here
> in Oxford so any hints on where to look in London would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance
> S

Camden - anywhere up the road from the tube station. Go on a sat/sunday.

-bat.
-- 
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Adaptive Systems Engineering    |
                                +-       memento mori, remember to die
From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: american goth interested in correspondence with european goth chick
Date: 9 Sep 1992 17:41:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>e in erie, PA, USA. I am of Scotch-Irish-Native American descent. I like music
>by Fields of the Nephilim (which is almost unheard of in the US) and other slig
>htly demigodish occultic groups.

No kidding, everytime I mention them I get stares and "huh"s, yet everytime I
play them everyone asks me who they are, etc, etc.  Have Fields of the
Nephilim every toured, and if so any dates every been in the U.S ?  (expecting
the answer NO, but it pays to ask anyway)

-- 
   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin)
Subject: What is Gothic Rock?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:19:56 GMT

OK, this question is probable pretty silly to some of you but can
anyone describe what Gothic Rock _is_ to me?  Please reply by E-Mail.
What groups, what's it sound like, etc...

Thanks in advance...

Dave Machin
machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Looking for a leather jacket (London)
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:30:00 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Could anyone recommend a shop/market with a good choice of jackets
in the central London area? I can't find a decent quality one in my size here
in Oxford so any hints on where to look in London would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
S
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.004226@cs.man.ac.uk> peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake) writes:
>A book about how to be a Goth.
>Isn't there a second edition of this now (twice as lame)?
>This is like the Cyberpunk question: what is cyberpunk?
>Anyone who answers this question is a sad man...
>
>The book lists lots of bands: it puts them into a neat little
>category: gothic.  The book says they are all gothic bands and
>therefore you will like them.  HA HA HA HA HA
>
>Don't perpetrate crap stereotypes, don't buy the book.

Then again, perhaps the reason that people might be interested in buying the
book is the same reason that I bought the (companion) cd. I saw several groups
on it that I was familiar with, and by buying it found several more I liked.
Given the amount of air time goth gets in the US, (none, in general) buying
the cd was the only way I was likely to ever hear of Fields of the Nephilim,
Marionettes, or Danse Society. The book is a more troublesome and expensive
way to do so, but given the viable alternatives it is certainly a feasible
way to find more music that suits me. (I am quite capable of reading the book
while ignoring any parts on "how to be a goth", if in fact that is a focus
of the book. And I am quite capable of deciding which bands in the genre
happen to suit my tastes and which don't. But since several of my favorite
groups happen to be classified as "gothic" this is another avenue to increase
the likelihood that a band I go to the trouble, and trouble it is around here,
to audition is one that I will like. On a generic compilation cd (the only way
to audition music around here, unless you know someone who owns it, is to *buy*
it) I would probably not be particularly fond of anything. ($13-22 down the
tube) Of the 17 cuts (of 19) with which I was unfamiliar, I *loved* three and
liked a large percentage of the remainder. $22 well invested, since it allowed
me to buy five cd's, all of which I enjoy. And when I find some of the other
groups I would expect to like >75% of what I buy. Just given a list of the
groups on the cd I would expect to be dissatisfied with <40% of what I bought.
Without the list I would expect to be dissatisfied with >95% of what I bought.)
There are reasons to be interested in the book other than wanting to be a goth
clone.

jack

--
jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
From: v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Advice needed on Gothick Fiction
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I'm a grad student at the University of Buffalo doing reasearch 
on gothick literature.  Specifically:  the way the popular fiction of 
the late 18th and early 19th century was recieved aesthetically and (more
importantly) politically by the journals of pre-victorian and early 
victorian England.  I've had limitted success at the libraries--I've found 
the "European".  I'd also be interested in finding some specific titles
of the popular serial fiction, "penny dreadfuls" they were called (things
other than Anne Radcliffe and Matthew "Monk" Lewis).


Thanks for reading.



===========================================================================

Martin Spinelli

V139HLA3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: ssmith@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Dark Eyed Angel in a Desperate Hell)
Subject: Re: Shadow Project address
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Reply-To: ssmith@ics.uci.edu (Dark Eyed Angel in a Desperate Hell)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 7 Sep 92 06:05:23 GMT

>>
>>      Shadow Project
>>      P.O. Box 862062
>>      Los Angeles, CA 90086-2062
>>
>Has anyone actually had anything back from this address? I wrote a couple
>of months ago (enclosing 2 IRCs) and have heard nothing.


 Ross is currently living in Las Vegas.  There's a new address too which
 I'll post later (I don't have it with me).  For those who are interested
 the new Shadow Project album 'should' be out early October.  The band is
 also scheduled to play several gigs on the west coast in the beginning of
 October.

 Other Ross Williams related info, Christian Death released the Skeleton
 Kiss single, which included: Spiritual Cramp (remix), two versions of
 Skeleton Kiss, and early live version of Ressurection-Sixth Communion.
 The single is on Cleopatra Records. Also on the inside of the cd booklet,
 there advertisement for Ross's up coming spoken word cd, 'Every King A
 Bastard Son'.


						-Steve



Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:03:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.004226@cs.man.ac.uk> peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake) writes:
>A book about how to be a Goth.
>Isn't there a second edition of this now (twice as lame)?
>This is like the Cyberpunk question: what is cyberpunk?
>Anyone who answers this question is a sad man...
>
>The book lists lots of bands: it puts them into a neat little
>category: gothic.  The book says they are all gothic bands and
>therefore you will like them.  HA HA HA HA HA
>
>Don't perpetrate crap stereotypes, don't buy the book.
>--
>Peter Wake

get a life, if you can't read the humor between the lines in mick's writing
you're even sadder than you make mick out to be. and if you'd actually
bother to _read_ the book, you'd note that he doesn't call every band in it
goth, the cramps fer instance, are in it despite the fact that musically
speaking they're not even vaguely goth. he never attempts to define goth, it
can't be done. it's a case of, these are bands that said they were goth, or
called goth by the press, etc etc. goth is an atmosphere, not a musical style.



-- 
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keeper of the Sisters	|  mail me to sign up for the electronic or snailmail  
of Mercy FAQ, DISCOG	|  versions. issue 1 out Aug.2. featuring interviews
and several others...	|  with Andrew Eldritch, Current 93, lotsa goth reviews
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:01:05 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

> In article <Ty3DqB4w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us wr
> >lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM) writes:
> >
> >> Discussing it here is all very nice, but you won't get it created until
> >> you start posting to alt.config.  Thats where alt groups get created.
> >>
> >> Start up a discussion on alt.config, let it run for a bit, and
> >> someone will newgroup it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> *********************************************************
> >> Laura Lemay                           lemay@sun.com
> >> Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
> >> *********************************************************
> >
> >
> >Laura Laura Laura, (Said with a back and forth swaying finger ala
> >                    the creature on the wing in Twilight Zone, The Movie)
> >
> >It's been done and I am sending out the control message sometime this
> >week. I hope to see you all there. Thanks to Jwlhyfer for proposing this gro
> ><X>orcist
>
> You're not getting what Laura's trying to tell you:

....it has been discussed for months on alt.config and alt.horror as well.
It's been controlled now and it's already got a flood of messages on it.
Happy hunting! Hope to see you there Eric and all...

<X>orcist


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From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Clothing
Date: 14 Sep 1992 07:05:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


	So where can one find cool "goth" clothing in the bay area?  Also
interested in places that would mail order.  I'm especially looking for
blowsy shirts with lace collars and cuffs.  I've found stuff at Rolo in SF
on and off but otherwise its a piece here and a piece there, with very little
consistancy.

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DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Gothick (NOT SIC) Fiction
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:42:37 CDT

In article <1992Sep14.142035.11081@ohm.york.ac.uk> pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.) writes:
>in article <1992Sep13.032246.27741@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier) says:
>> 
>> I wasn't flaming before. NOW I'm flaming.
>> 
>> Are you going to write your paper or book in Elizabethen English too? Might
>> make it hard for people to read, huh?
>> 
>
>Sigh... all he means was that Gothick refers to something different to Gothic,
>not that this is a correct or incorrect way to spell things. When referencing
>historical things which are _nouns_ it is normal to spell them correctly !
>
>-bat.
>
>[does anyone else find it somewhat amusing to see _americans_ arguing over
> the correct spelling of english ? :-) ]
>-- 
>-Pete French. (the -bat. )     -+

How lovely and pretentious of you to call me an American. I happen to
be German, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I study linguistics/
philology here at the wonderful UW-Madison. 

Perhaps I did misunderstand the orginal poster's message, but please don't
make judgements about my knowledge of English.

-Chris
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cosgrayt@hopi.ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: Sisters FAQ. Location?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:02:58 GMT


Another rumor I heard about:
Does a Sisters Of Mercy FAQ exist. I heard it did. And if it does and  
someone out there has a copy why hasn't it been downloaded?
another bullian from rumor central
--CD
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cosgrayt@hopi.ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:17:19 GMT


OKay, I saw a post here mentioning the Black Book Of Gothic Music. That  
made me feel better, because I've spent that last year trying to find the  
damn thing and I was starting to think that it wasn't real.
So:
Anyone that has a copy of it, or knows where to get a copy of it, or wants  
to download a copy of it lemme know. I'll pay $$ for it. 
Respond on this newsserver or email to:

dilts@indiana.edu

Chris Dilts