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From: neal@RIEMANN.MATH.MUN.CA (Neal Crossan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Something which amused me in the new DWM.....
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:14:27 GMT

>Doctor Who Magazine has just begun a new feature called The Fanzine Trap
>where one Hank Dexter takes a random sample of all the British fanzines
>in existence and gives a brief comment or review about them.
>
>I found this one particularly amusing (since I sort of agree with it):
>
>Dream Watch Bulletin (DWB) - Very glossy and overpriced.  A recent issue
>       sports a rare photograph of huge fan Ian Levine's video recorder.

  What he neglects to mention is that the picture of Ian Levines video 
recorder was part of the best, most comprehensive article I've ever seen on
the subject of missing episodes.  I learnt more in this one article than I
have in 7 years of reading Doctor Who Monthly. 
  There was also a never before seen photograph from 'Fury From the Deep', but
I guess Hank Dexter was more interested in the video recorder.


>       Rumour oriented and anti-JNT.  Unlikely to catch on!

   Unlikely to catch on?  I guess he's right considering it now up to issue
#105 and has been around for 10 years.
   Rumour oriented?  Maybe a long time ago, but not for the past few years and
certainly no worse than DWM's consistent stories on the Dr. Who movie.
   As for anti-JNT - that's why I like it so much.  It's a nice antidote to
DWM's persistant pro-JNT stance.
    
>Let me just add that I wouldn't trust this "newspaper" to light a fire.

  Funny, that's what I say about Doctor Who Monthly.

    -Neal Crossan-
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor changing his own history...
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:03:00 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <BCR.92Aug20182820@hpl3sn02.cern.ch> bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers) writes:
>I find it virtually impossable to coinside all the events
>with the Earth's history together...  For example, in
>"The Arc" (William Hartnell), they were supposidly
>the last survivors after the Earth fell into the sun.
>However, in "Frontieros" (Peter Davison) they were
>the last survivors after the Earth was absorbed by
>the sun...  As I see it there are only three ways
>to solve such difficulties:
>  1) The Doctor has somehow changed his own history.
>  2) The writters of the conflicting episodes never
>     saw the ones they were conflicting with.
>     (However, this isn't much fun.)
>  3) Try to tackle each difficulty one at a time
>     and find some way to explain them as consistent.
>     (Too much work for me.)


No, there really is no conflict here.
In "Frontios" the Doctor describes the colony as "one of the last
groups of mankind" as opposed to the only one.
From: otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: MPT
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:07:18 GMT
Distribution: md,va,dc
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug12.202416.7297@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>I know that Maryland Public Television is going to air "Tomb of the  
>Cybermen" (on the 22nd I think), but are they going to air "Resistance is  
>Useless" as well (as other stations are doing)?

According to the MPT Magazine, they will be showing Tomb on the 29th
after the first Members Choice broadcast of whaever received the most
pledges through the 28th.

There is no mention of Resistance in the magazine.

Neil Ottenstein

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:24:00 GMT

In article <scottg.05wq@amiganet.chi.il.us> scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>
>  I just learned some good news, CBS FOX VIDEO has decided to push up the
>release of "SHADA" in America.  It will be released on Oct. 9th along with the
>releases of "Tomb of the Cybermen", "The Pertwee Years", "Caves of Androzani"
>and "The Claws of Axos".  According to CBS FOX they received may letters and
>calls on that specifc title, the only logical thing was to releases with the
>batch in October.
>
>  I am afraid to report that the US release of "SHADA" will not have the script
>packaged along with the video.

Yes, I heard the same thing last weekend at a CreationCon in Minneapolis.
I didn't mention it until now because I didn't want to start spreading
video rumours again like I did last month with "Tomb!"
(Typical isn't it?  Get the right info for one and you're too chicken to
post it.....)
As for no scripts, I don't mind so much since I already have one....:)

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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Subject: Re: Results from Quiz 5 and Now Quiz Part 6
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:39:42 GMT


In a previous article, riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) says:

>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>> And now, Episode 6, purely on Doctor Mk 3:
>
>>*8)  How did the Doctor escape from the Spiridon city?
>
>Just wondering, why do some of the questions have an star in 
>front of the number, such as the one above?
>


I think that the "*" denotes that the answer lies in a section of
the story that is among the "Lost Episodes".

-- 
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBS & SCIFI CHANNELS
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:16:42 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug19.202041.5410@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next04epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.124246.21276@afterlife.ncsc.mil>  


Here's a question about the Sci-Fi channel showings....
Does anyone know if SciFi can and will show "survivor" episodes of
incomplete stories, like the four existing episodes of "The Reign of Terror,"
or the one still around of quite a number of stories.....
With this extra half-hour beofre and after the episode itself,
that would give them plenty of time to fill casual viewers in on what
happens in the missing episodes......
From: kking@UAHCS2.CS.UAH.EDU (Ken King, Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Alabama-Huntsville)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: science-fiction channel newsgroup?
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:29:41 GMT


greetings:
  does anyone feel a need for a separate group for the upcoming sf
channel?  i don't want it to preclude dr. who discussions, just to
have a place to cover wider ground, and have people who have info
on programs post there, etc...
  sound good?

later,
kc
kking@cs.uah.edu
From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: In defence of the 6th doctor
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:48:59 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.152400.27966@news.ysu.edu> ae007@yfn.ysu.edu (Daniel Newcombe) writes:
>
>  "When are we going to see the seventh Doctor?"
>Colin stood up and left and it was all JNT could do to get him
>to come back out.
>  -Dan
>-- 

  When Colin Baker and Patrick Troughton were in Minneapolis, 
someone asked Colin how long he would be the Doctor. He replied
"Well, Tom Baker played it seven years, so I should be going
for EIGHT!" BTW, the stage had a TARDIS on it, and when the
tow Doctors were scheduled to arrive, the TARDIS started it's
trademark sound. As everyone was expecting them to appear out
of the TARDIS, we were quite surprised to see them arrive from
the back riding in none other that Bessie (WHO 1). As myself
and my two boys were on the outside of the row, we were very
pleased to have such a good opportunity to see the Doctors at
a distance of three feet. This was an event I'll always
remember, especially since Patrick left us not long after. It
was nice to see the fun they had ribbing each other and the
rapport they had with the audience. 

Randy Lambertus              Cray Research, Region 4         rl@uk.cray.com
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Penacasta
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:45:51 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho,  Hong Kong
Organization: University of Virginia

I think I can make a guess why Christopher H.Bidmead never novelized
Penacasta.  Pip and Jane Baker.
as I recall, Penacasta was to feature the Rani in alliance with the Autons
and Pip and Jane own the copyright on the Rani's character, so I would
guess that they either forbade such a book or asked for money and
Bidmead didn't like the thought of them taking some of the profits of his
work.
Mind you, this is just a guess.
From: Tom_Klok@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Klok)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Test Message -- Please Ignore
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:46:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Checking some stuff; no need to mail me.  Sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

--
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: CYBERHISTORY         
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:47:23 GMT

In article <i2NLPB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>Warning: MAJOR "TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN" SPOILERS AHEAD!!
>
>-
>  Watch Tomb Again!! The Cyberleader makes mention of knowing the Doctor from
"The Moonbase" which is 2070!

And I will just reiterate my assertion that the 500 year date is too
ambiguous to just add 500 to 2070 for the year that Tomb takes place in.
The date either could have been approximate by the Doctor, or he could be
dating the structure from its original construction by the Cryons, 
or perhaps not all the Cybermen were in the Tomb for the full 500 years.


Steve Manfred

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From: u-lchoqu%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette)
Subject: Has anyone ordered from S & J?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:40:32 MDT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

I got a flyer in the mail for a mail order company called S & J Productions,
which also publishes something called the Science Fiction Continuum.  They sell
videos of Doctor Who (including the Mythmakers interviews), Blake's 7, The
Prisoner, Secret Agent, Dangerman, UFO, The Avengers, Black Adder, and Yes,
Prime Minister.  I was thinking of ordering something from them, but first I
wanted to send out a feeler and see if anyone has had any good or bad
experiences with S & J.

E-mail to me -- I'll send a summary to anyone who requests it.
  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   . . . . Lee Choquette . . . . . . But he had such an honest face! . . . . .
  . . u-lchoqu@peruvian.utah.edu. . .You can't be a successful thief with . .
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a _dis_honest face, can you, Romana?. .
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Big Bang: Terminus vs. Slipback
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:07:42 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug14.072418.934@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>Having seen Terminus again, I can finally get around to posting this question.
>In The Terrestrial Index (p. 125) it says "...Slipback -- whose story is
>unlikely to be part of the official Whoniverse, if only because it contradicts
>the events told in the televised story 6G [Terminus]." My question is: does
>it really contradict the story? I was under the impression that the Doctor
>GUESSED that the jettisoned fuel was the catalyst for the big bang and that
>he really wasn't sure. If he is sure then only one of the two stories can
>be correct and obviously the one to go with is Terminus.
>

The Doctor often guesses right, or hadn't you noticed?
:)

>Assuming that Terminus is not responsible for the big bang, where would
>Slipback fit into the story line? Guesses are welcome.
>
>Tom
>
>Tune in next week to see how the Doctor deals with crappy video production
>in "The Macravision Terror"!
:)

Slipback would probably fit in the way it says it does, the computer
goes back to the original monoblock of matter, and the schizoid computer
self-destructs there, starting the universe....
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: The Three Doctors comments
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:37:42 GMT

Having bought and watched the EPISODIC version of T3D, I noticed a spoiler.
At the end of episode 2, Omega appears but doesn't give his name. However,
his name appears in the credits at the end of the episode. I would think
this would be a spoiler if the episodes were watched weekly (i.e. way back
then). However, perhaps this is the first time Omega is ever mentioned, in
which case the spoiler reveals nothing.

Also another possible first timer: Doctor 2 mentions jelly babies - is this
the first time they are mentioned? I didn't think anything of it the first
time I saw this since I hadn't seen many T. Baker stories.

Tom
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:22:14 GMT

In article <cole.714208860@lea> cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
>scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>
>>  I just learned some good news, CBS FOX VIDEO has decided to push up the
>>release of "SHADA" in America.  It will be released on Oct. 9th along with the
>>releases of "Tomb of the Cybermen", "The Pertwee Years", "Caves of Androzani"
>>and "The Claws of Axos".  According to CBS FOX they received may letters and
>>calls on that specifc title, the only logical thing was to releases with the
>>batch in October.
>
>I wish they would step up the releases on laserdisc.  One LD so far --
>"Day of the Daleks".  Of course, after "Claws of Axos" is out in the US,
"Day of the Daleks" will have competition for worst story in US release.
>I

I didn't even know "Day" was out on LD, and I certainly wouldn't call 
"Day" one of the worst stories on video so far.
"Claws" on the other hand......
Perhaps one day I will post a script I wrote some years ago that my friends
and I considered doing as a fan-parody we called "The Flaws of Axos."
It concerned the Axon's coming to Earth in search of a good nutritiuos
breakfast.  (Don't they look like something you'd see on a cereal box?)


>>  I am afraid to report that the US release of "SHADA" will not have the script
>>packaged along with the video.
>
>As usual, CBS Fox has missed the point entirely.  It's not like there is
>a book to fall back on for this one.  Perhaps someone will be smart
>enough to release the script as a separate item in the US.
>
>Robert Cole

I doubt CBS/Fox is "missing the point" but rather just trying to get the
video out as soon as possible.  From what I understand of the narration,
the scripts will be unnecessary anyway as Tom does fill in the gaps
quite well on the tape.  An additional factor for the first release of
the scripts anyway may be Douglas Adams' donation of his proceeds from
the scripts in England to Comic Relief.  
Another factor may be all the stuff that was lifted from Shada and placed
in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.  Perhaps Pocket Books is a 
bit miffed at the release in the first place, and the scripts would just
compound the problem in the States.

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Something which amused me in the new DWM.....
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:24:45 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: University of Virginia

Doctor Who Magazine has just begun a new feature called The Fanzine Trap
where one Hank Dexter takes a random sample of all the British fanzines
in existence and gives a brief comment or review about them.

I found this one particularly amusing (since I sort of agree with it):

Dream Watch Bulletin (DWB) - Very glossy and overpriced.  A recent issue
	sports a rare photograph of huge fan Ian Levine's video recorder.
	Rumour oriented and anti-JNT.  Unlikely to catch on!


I find this uproariously funny.
Let me just add that I wouldn't trust this "newspaper" to light a fire.
From: billw+@pitt.edu (William R Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Questions on Logopolis.
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:47:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


  On the comment about the Doc and Master teaming up, it happpened many times
during the Pertwee years under similar circumstances.  Master makes deal with
alien race to destroy Doctor's favorite (or favourite, depending on locale!)
planet.  Plan proceeds and Earth is in peril.  Doctor gets involved.  Doctor
makes Master realize he really blew it this time.  Doctor and Master save
Earth and the whole universe.  Master postures a bit and disappears to hatch
the same hair-brained type of scheme in future episodes. :-)
   The most prominent of these stories that comes to mind is "The Claws of
Axos."
          Bill
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Wanted to buy - NTSC videos
Keywords: Videos buying
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.013853.5493@muddcs.claremont.edu> ghogenso@jarthur.claremont.edu (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.100905.22570@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bhollon@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Brett Hollon) writes:
>>Will pay reasonable transcription fee (eg $10.00 a show) for clear NTSC VHS
>
>For these reasons, please do not sell or buy copied tapes!

Wholeheartedly agreed.  I will never sell or buy a copied tape for money
or any other exchange.

Here's another reason for you all to not respond:
This could easily be a trap.  This requestor could easily be someone from
either Lionheart or the BBC trying to track down video pirates, and
you would never know until the FBI came knocking at your door......
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug19.200744.4817@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next04epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <scottg.05wq@amiganet.chi.il.us> scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us  
>(Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>>   I am afraid to report that the US release of "SHADA" will not have the  
>script
>> packaged along with the video.
>

>  Is there a good reason for this, or could they perhaps be convinced to  
>include it after all?




I can only restate my reasons, I don't think there is a cost-effective
way for CBS/Fox to include the scripts.  Unlike BBC Enterprises, CBS/Fox
is exclusively into videos and movies and has little need for presses
or publishing equipment, therefore they would have to hire out to a 
press firm to duplicate the scripts in this country.
The obvious alternative would be to buy a bunch from the Beeb themselves
and include the scripts in the CBS boxes, but there is a catch here also:
Not only are the television formats between the UK and the US different,
but the way the videos are packaged are different as well.
Going by the eight useless NTSC videos I won in DWM's Mega-Merchandise
Competition (they're only useless as I don't have an NTSC VCR), 
the UK standard for boxing is a plastic case that opens up and closes,
similar to a rental case you get at a movie rental place.
The US standard these days is a simple cardboard box wrapped in shrinkwrap.
The dimensions of the BBC Scripts enclosed with the Shada release there
may very well be the wrong size for a standard US box.
could any UK readers of this who have the little script booklets tell
us what the dimensions are of the tape?
Mass-production of goods means that deviations from norms are strongly
discouraged and much more costly than the normal production.
It could well be that an American issue of Shada with scripts would
perhaps double the price of the video.

We are also forgetting there will be an upside to this no-scripts included
deal:  it should enable CBS.Fox to price the tape at the normal rate
of $19.98, whereas the scripts in the UK caused a price rise I gather.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: RETURN THE EPISODES!!
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:09:24 GMT

Distribution set to NA.

dave.yadallee@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Yadallee)  wrote:
>   Pledge for episodes, and call for the elimination of the the movies,
>during the next Doctor Who run when PBS go pledging.

Why don't you write CBS/Fox and ask them to re-release the old releases in
episode format? I already have.

Tom
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:56:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.201714.8870@ulowell.ulowell.edu> pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.032400.12632@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>In article <scottg.05wq@amiganet.chi.il.us> scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>>Yes, I heard the same thing last weekend at a CreationCon in Minneapolis.
>>I didn't mention it until now because I didn't want to start spreading
>>video rumours again like I did last month with "Tomb!"
>>(Typical isn't it?  Get the right info for one and you're too chicken to
>>post it.....)
>>As for no scripts, I don't mind so much since I already have one....:)
>
>
>Ok...I am seriously miffed about this.  How can I get a copy of the
>SHADA script so I can read it too????
>
>

My cousin got the script for me at a Convention, so I don't know where 
else it would be available.
Try the Star Tech catalog, I think I remember it being offered through
them once along with a Five Doctors script.
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBS & SCIFI CHANNELS
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:19:36 GMT
  <1992Aug17.160018.8281@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

To those of you talking about the Sci-Fi Channel putting in commercials,
I would point out that Comedy Central shows Monty Python's Flying Circus
and The Black Adder uninterrupted. It may be (I hope) that SFC will show
them in episode format, with commercials between episodes. That wouldn't
be so bad as cutting people off mid-sentence.


TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com | "The more complex the mind, the greater the
(Shane Derek Killian)       | need for the simplicity of play." --Jim Kirk
                            | --------------------------------------------
FIDO: Shane Killian         | "People say I watch too many cartoons.
      1:151/2308            | ...Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, could be!!!!!"
                            |                              --Mark McCollum
From: joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: What happened?
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434


DN|  Perhaps an American producer should take it over and do it now... 8)

I think I'd rather have it stay dead.