From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:16:15 GMT

In article <13250@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <lgj9msINNj4q@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
>> In article <13190@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># [by analogy with homosexuality]
># 
># #Eating raw fish disgusts me also.  It also makes a little concerned
># #about the health aspects.  But so what, it's their life.
># 
># #If someone wanted to come into the schools and encourage the 
># #practice, or worse, traumatize the kids in a way that seemed 
># #likely to encourage the practice, I would be pretty upset.
># 
># Then you need not be upset, since your own numbers demonstrate that
># gays (gay men, to be specific) don't traumatize children any more
># than the norm.  In general, a gay man is less likely to be a child
># molestor than a heterosexual man.  I wish you'd quit hinting at that
># which your own numbers show to be false.
>
>Look, there's no point in arguing with a fool. 

Sounds like a damn fine reasoning for ignoring you...

> That 30% of
>child molestation is done by homosexuals and bisexuals is well-
>established.

Well established?

By who? Where? When? How?

># As to "encourage", if a kid knows (s)he is gay, I see nothing wrong
># with a teacher providing an example (existence proof, if you will)
># that gay people need not be terribly different from anyone else.
>
>But they are terribly different -- and the problem isn't even
>the gay teacher, it's the gay propaganda efforts, designed to
>encourage children to become homosexual.  Like Project 10.
>

Are gays terribly different?

Strange. I have friends who were gay for years before I found out.
They're completely indistinguishable from anyone else. If you met
them, you'd never be able to tell that they were gay. 

I'd trust them with my life. I have one gay friend who's studying to
become a music teacher. I'd be thrilled to have my kids go to a school
where he could teach them.

I'd trust him with be with my kids _far_ more than I'd trust you. He's
a nice, stable gay. You're a nutcase obsessed with child molestation
and hatred for homosexuals. Who's more dangerous? The guy who'd never
even think about doing something like that to a child (but happens to
be gay), or the guy who's obsessed with it?

I don't know what project 10 is. I don't particularly care. I know a
very large number of gay people (I think we all do; some of us just
don't realize it), and I don't know a single one who wants anything more
than what the rest of us have: the right to live their lives without
fear of being punished if anyone finds out an utterly irrelevant piece
of information about their personal life.

No gay person that I know would ever molest a child. I wish I could say
that about the straights.

No gay person that I know would ever try to influence a heterosexual
child to become a homosexual. I wish the all of the straights I new
felt the same about influencing a child who is a homosexual.

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