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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  idle thoughts...
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[Smooge writes that the Aysle stelae burned out recently went into raising
the Tech and Spirit axioms of Aysle.]

My view is that one of the burned stelae regions provided the energy
necessary for the Darkness Device to leave Oxford and go to wherever
the new High Lord is and that the other burned region provided the
energy necessary to energize three new stelae.

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nile Magic
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, Burton Choinski wrote:

> Steve DeSanto Comments:
> ---------
>   I personally pictured the Nile magic system as being very mystical, using
> mathematics, yes, but also having other influences.  This is not mathematics
> as we know it.  I don't think Nile mathematicians just write equations on a
> paper and *poof*.  There's even a picture in the SB of a man, presumably a
> mathematician since it's on that page, sitting in a mystical symbol drawn on
> the floor with lots of drawn numbers and runes, candles, etc...
> ---------
> This is what I originally thought, which is why I used it, but both sides
> have points.  I personally still prefer it to be there.  What's the general
> consensus?

Go with the religion.


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From: zqex@diku.dk (Carsten Svaneborg)
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Subject: Underworld HELP NEEDED
Summary: help
Keywords: underworld
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:21:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

I`m not sure, if the is the correct newsgroup to write about 
Ultima Underworld, if not then correct me.

Does anyone know if there exists a hint list to Ultima Underworld
(preferably in Northern Europe), `cause I`m lost somewhere in the maze :*(

The following are some of my problems:

    There is the Cup of Wonder ?? I know "insahn" but just can`t 
    locate it on level 3?, I`ve searched for secret dooes but
    none found, I`ve killed the tentacle monster just west
    of the shrine.
    I`ve found the secret door besides the lever.

    What do I do with the mountainmen`s tresure?
    Take it? How do I then get out of the pit?
    I`ve killed the Golem, and I`ve tryed the flying potion and
    the magic jump formula (several times) but I can`nt get out
    of there.

    I think i`ve found a big secret door in the hall of the maze of the
    bullfrogs, (on the same wall as the door high up), but I`ve tryed
    to look at it, throw thinks at it, jump at it. No Luck.

    Is a broadsword better than a magic sword or the sword of justice?

    On level 5? to the north, is a room with 4 levers (in the NW,SW,NE,SE)
    I`ve tryed to switch them in the order, someone told me, but nothing
    happens, the same one told me to beware of the center of the room,
    where a big stone "alter?" lies, I`ve tryed to jump on the rock.
    No Luck.

    ON level 1, where and how do I use the spider web.
    And how can I get the key which opens the door to the food-store,
    without killing the goblins.
    I`ve tryed to use the nails on the door (the door is bolted shut)
    And then what?

    I`ve been where the evil wizard hides out, how do I destroy the
    Ort stone (with the crystal splinter I`ve got from the imprisoned 
    mountainman???)

And lots more.

  From zqex@diku.dk       Carsten Svaneborg Denmark.
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Living Land stuff...
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Colin writes:

> Good idea, but I have one small gripe.  A jakatt is a follower of Lanala,
> which means at leats 1 add in faith(Keta Kalles).  That's just nitpicking
> though.  The main gripe is that it is a contradiction *not* to have
> faith(Keta Kalles) in the LL, because it is a contradiction to have any
> spiritual belief other than 'Lanala is all'.  So, you could grant that

Actually it is a contradiction to have faith in something other than
Keta Kalles, but it is not a contradiction to have no Faith at all, so
those agnostic edeinos are allowable, but probably pitied by all the
other edeinos for not knowing the love of Lanala....

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Learning New Miracles
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Steve DeSanto writes:

>   There's another circumstance for having multiple Faiths, I believe.  If I
> remember correctly, Faith(voodoo) can be combined with other Faiths (most
> notably Christian faiths) without penalty.  
>   In fact, (if I remember the DCWB correctly) anyone who is subject to a 
> successful voodoo miracle may unintentionally pick up an add in Faith(voodoo)
> without penalty to their other faiths.  This represents a belief that voodoo
> actually works without one worshipping the voodoo spirits.

It does say that, but voodoo is such an unusual case that it doesn't
apply as a general rule for all religions.  Note that it also says in
the voodoo section that some religions do not allow belief in other
gods and so you cannot gain Faith(voodoo) regardless of what happens.

For those of you hoping that I'd go to Honesdale, sorry, but voodoo
and the Akashans are special cases that do not apply in general, so
they're safe for now....


Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re:  A New Cosm!!! (read in Price is Right voice : )
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ayep.

somebody had to do it
(just because we CAN do a thing,...)

one nitpick -
not that there HAS to be three and only three WLs,
but the LoCataclism (high spirit for natural disasters)
and the LoCreatues (high other axioms for less-natural disasters)
are really just the same thing - the DD supports disasters beyond the axioms

maybe LoDisasters or Lo"really bad things happen, always"
(kinda like the LoDrama in the Nile)
or even Lo"murphy didnt know the half of it!" -
even if things CANT go wrong, somehow they do, spectacularly!
(seriously, how many times can landing gear fail?)

dave "and they called him mad at the institute..." oakes
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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Subject: Re: A SPI Question
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I have not had an atheist in any of my groups but if I did I would
only allow a player to pick and choose if was willing to lose
his faith in atheism. By picking I'll let you heal, he is acknowledging
another deity.. which to me says I roll the bs die at the end of the
adventure and I see if he loses an add or 2 in faith.

the Smooge
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Please remove me from the list.

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From: remo@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Remo)
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Subject: Re: Creatures of Tharkold
Date: 4 Nov 92 21:09:06 GMT
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wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf) writes:

>       I just got my letter from WEG.
> 
>       They accepted 5 of my critters.
> 
>       What's more, I think I only sent in 5 (correct me if I'm wrong, Dave...
> 
>       They are also sending me $125.00 for my submissions. 
> 
>       YAY! YIPPEE! FRABJOUSOSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>       <cartwheels!> <flips!> <Limboing under toothpicks suspended by Q-tips!!
> 
>       ... They are nasty crfitters, too. You'll love 'em. Trust me :)
> 
> -- Clint, wishing he had sent in 10 entries! 50!!! 100!!!!!! 
>  

Hi ho, another TORG gm here. Ya know when the supplement is coming out?
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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: CoKJ
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:28:30 GMT
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"Call of Kansas Jim"? Sounds scary! :=) :=)

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)
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From: burt@ptltd.com (Burton Choinski)
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Subject: Re:  nile magic, mk II
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:41:16 GMT
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Dave oakes notes:
------
zone div 15 determines required planets?
why 15? and why not make it something along the lines of a TORG measure?
(still think that theorems are the way to go)
------
It seemed like a good number.  I figured it would take some tweaking around 
and designing some spells to get a feel of what it should actually be.

------
with thoth/ptah gone, what is the mechanism for "real" magic?
(isis would be the next canidate)
------
Supposedly by having Magic as the FOCUS, just like in Aysle magics.
It could be a simple matter of just adding a DETAIL number if you wish
such an effect.
     -- Burton
From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
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Subject: Re: Ravagons supplement
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:20:52 GMT
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Hmmmm... Since all ravagons in Orrorsh are under an Occult spell to make
them invisible to those who do not have true sight... I wonder if this
applies to player characters as well. While this could be quite abusive
in some ways.. it could be quite amusing in others. Take for example:

Father O'malley (doubting cleric): So... <<click of Schmessinger going to
full auto>> where is this demon we are supposed to kill. I want to send
it screaming back to hell!

Parlok (ravagon warrior PC): Demon, what demon?

Phineas O'Malley (Victorian loon): He's over there on the pedestal behind you.

FOM (spins around to see nothing): What did he fly away? By St Peters beard
I'll send that demonic creature to the pits of hell when I find him.

Parlok (who spun around also): There is no demon there... Fleshy thief of
Parlok are you calling me a Demon?

POM: Now he's asking me if I am calling him a demon... Oh god... can't you
see him? He looks like his skin has been flayed off of his body... 

FOM spins around and around for a minute and then looking at POM: There,
there POM, I understand... there was a time when I saw things also... but
the nice doctors in the Vatican gave me these nice blue pills, and I am 
all better now. Here have some too... I think I have a few extra...

Parlok: Hmmm... if the pills will make you see that I am a servant of the
Scourge and not a demon, maybe you should take them...

POM: Oh I see, FOM, he's taken over your mind... he wants you to give me
those pills... what are they Strichnine? Well I'm not going to die without
a fight. <<pulls out Colt Peacemaker... starts shooting>>

(three rounds later.. FOM and POM lay dieing from shock on the ground...)

Parlok: You weak flesh things keep doing this... is it something I said?

the end


High Cardinal of the White Tower
Keeper of the Faith of Kansas Jim

the Smooge
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
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Subject: Re: My campaign...
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:51:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov10.203127.4260@cheshire.oxy.edu> wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf) writes:
>
>   ME: "Nah, you're in an NE pure zone, remember? Every single one of these
>       guys is named Achmed... It's only from the sergeants on up that you
                      ^^^^^^

Oh my God, that's eerie...  Every adventure I run in the Nile Empire features
at LEAST one guy named Achmed for the party to deal with...

	Achmed the bungling burglar
	Achmed the chief of police
	Achmed, the cousin of the burglar
	Captain Achmed(i) from the Destiny Map
	Non-Achmed, the other bungling burglar whose name I forgot to
		come up with...

Is this just coincidence, or is this perhaps a REAL LIFE WORLD LAW?!?

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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: ravagons SB, is it any good?
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	That pretty much sums it up.  Is the Ravagons useful for someone 
who:

	a> doesn't want ravagon PC's or to send people to Tz'Ravok
	b> wants to make ravagons more than (as someone put it), 
"shocktroopers with wings"
	c> wants a challenge for powerful PCs

	I thing that pretty much sums it up.
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: Direct Invocations
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1992, Colin J. Wynne wrote:

> Well, you're right.  This seems like to much, because you jumbled some
> numbers.  You actually need a *bonus* of +35, which is a roll of
> [(32*5)-4] = 156.  Try it again with a roll of
> 10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+16 U
> 10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+6
> 
> That's (.05)^14 * (.25 + .05*.75).  Since I have no calculator here,
> someone else can crunch those numbers, and multiply by 365.25 to get
> %chance of seeing a miracle per year.

Well, I did get to a calculator.  I get all the above equal to 1.75476 x
10^-19, or a yearlt probability of 6.41x10^-17.  So, figuring that half
the population of the U.S. has one add, this gives a yearly probability of
any unassisted person getting a miracle 8.01x10^-9.  Pretty slim.

Well, this tends to shoot me down, unfortunately.  Being stubborn, though,
I steel have this gut feeling that anyone with faith should be allowed to
*try* and talk to god any time.  Oh, well.  

CJW

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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: A SPI Question 
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Here's a question:

If the spirit axiom is assumed to represent some form of stored
possibility energy associated with a given religion within a cosm, what
are the effects on invoking from out of cosm?

For example, in the LL, the only stored p-energy is for Keta Kalles.  What
are the metaphysical mechanics of, say, a Dunad worshipper invoking?  Do
they just draw p-energy from their home cosm using their attachment via
the Everlaws?

A related question:  "The God of the Sacellum is a jealous god.  He
specifically denies His miracles to anyone without faith(Sacellum)."  in
game terms, no non-Sacellum worshippers can learn Sacellum miracles.

Alright.  What does it mean to invoke to learn a foreign miracle?  Are you
asking your god to generate a new miracle identical to the one granted by
another god?

If Father Hardy (Sacellum) invokes and receives Crisis of Faith (CP
miracle), is he asking the Sacellum God to duplicate that miracle?  Or, is
he actually praying to the CP God for a miracle?

Since invoking for a miracle uses one's personal SPI axiom (e.g., Father
Hardy invokes at Orrorshian SPI 17 to get Crisis of Faith), the former
explanation, that of asking your god to reproduce another god's miracle,
seems more likely.  In that case, what does the Sacellum God have to do
with denying that CPapist the chance to invoke for, say, Hellfire?

What are people's opinions on this?

CJW

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Them Living Land Types...
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:01:52 GMT

King Rat writes:

>For some reason I was never especially impressed by their miracles (perhaps
>because my copy of the LL sourcebook has several pages out of order -- VERY
>confusing!).  NOW I am.
>
>Increased Toughness makes virtual Gods out of edeinos!  No shock, no KO,
>no wound effect UNTIL SEVEN WOUNDS ARE TAKEN, AT WHICH TIME THE EDEINOS 
>DIES?!?  Increased Dex can raise that attribute up to TEN POINTS?!?  Same
>with Increased Strength?!?  And how about that Cause Pain miracle -- 
>difficulty = to damage you want to inflict?!?!?!?  OUCH!

Fun stuff for a GM, huh?  8-)

Unfortunately, since miracles are really the only tool that the Living
Landers have, and most of the given miracles are combat related in
some way, it just tends to reinforce the (incorrect) viewpoint that
the Living Land is just Jungle Combat City (tm)....

>Just how the @!$# is WEG rationalizing the Land Below sweeping across the
>realm anyway?  Baruk Kaah ran out the Ustanah, a technologically superior
>race, once already... he should be able to handle giant wasps and belligerent
>Smurfs...

While we don't know how/why the Land Below is popping up, we do know
that Rec Pakken is very displeased with Baruk Kaah and is not
cooperating with him - without the assistance of his Darkness Device
and the continuing rebellion against Kaah's rule, there's actually
very little the big lizard can do right now....



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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: nile magic, mk II 
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or, why doesnt burton post his own subject headers?

just kidding...
(no, really)

looks good burton -
being i mathematician, i appreciate the slam on engineers
(and it even fits for explanation!)

1) how was the "one planet required" arrived at?
   (did i miss something?)
(i would think the easiest way would be to treat them like theorems)
2) no reason to totally axe thoth/ptah
   (your rationale of "real" was a good one)

dave "and you can cast deep sleep as well!" oakes
From: remo@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Remo)
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Subject: Re: Orrorshian humour
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:57:13 GMT
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"Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> writes:

> Well, Skutharka is the Nightmare in Singapore, who delights in making all
> of those technological horrors, right?  And Singapore is a big port city
> too, right?
> 
> So now, the brand new Horror by Skutharka......
> 
> ..............................................the Werehouse!   :)
> 
> (This idea came up during a very silly session of CoC yesterday.)
> 
> CJW
> 
-> Ugh.
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: A SPI Question
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Well, I must express some disagreement with the guru  :)

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, Jim Ogle wrote:

> > For example, in the LL, the only stored p-energy is for Keta Kalles.  What
> > are the metaphysical mechanics of, say, a Dunad worshipper invoking?  Do
> > they just draw p-energy from their home cosm using their attachment via
> > the Everlaws?
> 
> They don't draw P-Energy from anywhere.  When a diety is invoked the
> diety itself provides the power necessary for the miraculous event
> (that is why no Faith total is necessary when you invoke a diety, just
> the Focus total.)

I assume you mean Direct Invocations.  Invoking a miracle *always*
requires faith and focus.  And as for Direct Invocations, I have assumed
sonce I first read it that the comment about only focus being required was
a misprint, and that in fact only *faith* is required.  After all, without
the ability to focus 'standard' miracles, the only option open to the
majority of the faithful is to just pray a whole bunch, based on their
faith, for a unique one-time result.  That is a direct invocation.

So, I still believe that the SPI axiom represents some well of p-energy
from which one may draw -- but only if one possesses the correst key, i.e.
faith and focus for the appropriate god.

> In the Living Land, Lanala is powerful enough to possibly disrupt any
> attempt to communicate with an alien diety (the contradiction check),
> but anywhere else there is no problem (other than a possibly quite
> high Difficulty number).
> 
> > A related question:  "The God of the Sacellum is a jealous god.  He
> > specifically denies His miracles to anyone without faith(Sacellum)."  in
> > game terms, no non-Sacellum worshippers can learn Sacellum miracles.
> 
> I would say that this means a Sacellum priest cannot perform
> beneficial miracles on anyone who does not have Faith(Sacellum).

No.  The Orrorsh SB says that the DN to perform a beneficial miracle on a
non-believer is at +2 or +3 (I forget which), but *not* that it is
impossible.  This is mentioned in the intro paragraphs to the 'Miracles of
Faith' chapter.

CJW

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