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From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      What to do with superceded versions of software?

I have been sorting through the growing pile of old software diskettes and
manuals that have been accumulating in a corner of my room. Among them I
have come across the disks and manuals for two earlier versions of IDRISI
and similarly superceded disks / documentation for SPANS and for other
software for which we have and use more recent versions. It seems a shame
for them to just collect dust, yet I cannot see this department actually
needing them much in the future.

Would anyone - especially from the software developers (ESRI, IDRISI) -
like to comment on the legal / formal position if (a) we were to sell on
the out-of-date software to either another institution (I suspect that
local schools might be interested) or to one of our students; and (b)
if we were to give them away for no return? Would the recipients be able
to register themselves as users of the product for future mailings, etc?
Or is there a trade-in facility so that upgrades may be obtained from the
vendors at a discount if "old" versions are surrendered?

What do other users - particularly in academic circles - do with superceded
versions of their software?

Darius Bartlett
DJB@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
From: ymzhang@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Mike Zhang)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: GIS in elections
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <9211061942.AA05854@genesis.grebyn.com> karl@GREBYN.COM ((Karl A. Nyberg)) writes:
>OK, the elections are over and we know who won.  Can anybody talk about use
>of GIS in the elections, such as for strategy and such?  I was surprised to
>not hear a PEEP out of this newsgroup when I saw the US Maps that the major
>networks had, and how they would fill a state's color in according to which
>candidate was projected to win that state's electoral votes.  Does anybody
>know if those were incredibly special-purpose systems?
>
>-- Karl --

	In almost every state, there is a redistricting process. Right now
some states use Census Tiger ( geographic data ) and population data to do
the redistricting. After the redistricting, they start to assign "votes" to
each voting district ( or even eack block if they want ). I do know some
company provide this kind of software. Usually, each party or interesting
group can go to state office to drive this program and draw a redistricting
map in favor their interest and then submit to state legislature for fighting.
I know Colorado, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kansas, and etc. was doing this after
1990 Census.
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From: keane@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Matthews Keane)
Subject: The actual status of digital data.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:07:12 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

As an undergraduate here in the States who uses Digital Elevation
Model data extensively -- I too must gripe about the cost which
organizations levy for the data.  Considering that data production
costs are recovered very quickly when single sets are sold in the #200
range, or here in the $45-90 range... the producers should be shot!
But the fact of the matter is that USGS DEM data is (as far as I
understand) in the Public Domain - as is most everything done by the
civilian US agencies.  They claim that they sell these sets for this
cost because these are "large" data sets and REQUIRE distribution on
9-track tapes.  (Funny, the US 1:2 000 000 DLG CD-ROM is only $32??).
But the real key is that I can fit almost any single DEM set on a 1.44
Mb floppy with a little room to spare!  Compressed, I can fit 6 or 7.

I think it is a matter of in most cases, the left hand not talking to
the right hand.  The actual producers of this data most likely want to
see it distributed and used, but the administrative people in between
see money possibilities, and in the case of the USGS data - there is a
lack of understanding of Appropriate Technology and a fundamental
disarray of organization in acquiring a specific set.  Perhaps all of
us who use DEM data and love it so intimately :-) need to keep
pressing for free distribution --  like the situation at
spectrum.xerox.com.

Christopher Keane
keane@earthsun.umd.edu
.

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Subject:      Re: Mapping fire Scars

Tracy,

Dr. Yegang Wu and Mr. Jianping Xu presented two papers about wild fire
in CPGIS'92 conference three months ago in Buffalo. Both of them used
remote sensing data and GIS. You may contact them for the details. They
can be reached by using following e-mail addresses:

Mr. Xu          jianp@OCEAN.RUTGERS.EDU
Dr. Wu          YWU@ORNLSTC

Miss May Yuan, in the same conference, presented her concept about
spatio-temporal modeling of wild fire. You may contact her with
yuanmay@GEOG.BUFFALO.EDU


Hui Lin
Great Lakes Program
SUNY at Buffalo
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From: bthoen@teal.csn.org (Bill Thoen)
Subject: Re: REQUEST Rec. for SIMPLE GIS for DOS
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:45:59 GMT

>I am interested in exploring controlling a simple map displaying
>program by voice.  I already have a speech recognizer and need the map
>program.  I would like to have recommendations about candidates that
>can be purchased comemrcially.

>The ideal program would use a command line interface and NOT menus.

>The kind of functionality the program might have would be zoom,  change
>display, display special features as an overlay, compute a route
>between points, color a regin for Line Of Sight.  None of these
>functional requirements is absolute; they are just ideas.

you might look at pc moss as a starter. it has zoom, query and display.
it uses both a command interface and a menu interface and it is free.
i put out replacement commands that use microsoft graphics so you don't
need the tektronics driver for some of the graphics commnands.

if you want to work with a raster gis that uses command lines for
most command, try cogsmap or skmap.

all of the above are on gisnet.

- sol katz

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From: youngs@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Youngs)
Subject: Recommendations on Color Printer/Plotters (output 22x27") for Erdas
Summary: Any recommendations on large format printer/plotters for Erdas ?
Keywords: Large format printer/plotters
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:49:51 GMT

Any recommendations on printer/plotters, capable of 22x27" output at a 
minimum of 300dpi for Erdas hardcopy ?

thanks in advance

D. Youngs
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Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: my typo -- and apology
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:09:55 GMT
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I just received what looks like a regular posting on the GIS-L list,
but this one is unusual: it's from me!, and its contents appear
to be gibberish (well, random text) -- *nothing* to do with GIS.

If you see something like this:

 | Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:28:00 CST
 | Sender: "Geographic Information Systems Discussion List"
 | Subject:      Re: SYSGRAF workstations?
 | X-To:         GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu
 | To: Multiple recipients of list GIS-L <GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
 |
 |  mxrn to
 | /\ |> do this automatically ?
 | /\ |>
 | /\ |> Failign that, I already have my own "edit" and "mailer" scripts
 | /\ |> (you just point mxrn resources to the mechanism that you create)
 | /\ |> and I could do that 'cept that I don't know of any such resources.
 | /\ |> The "mailer" mechanism
 | /\ |>...

PLEASE JUST IGNORE IT, THROW IT AWAY, AND ACCEPT MY APOLOGY !!!

I *did* have a slip-of-the-finger this morning, my xterm went
bizzerk and Elm went into an infinite (really!; I had to kill
the session) loop beeping and complaining about something I
"hadn't done".

My only hope is that ONLY ONE such posting appears.  If there are
as many copies as I saw Elm msgs and heard BEEPs, well, then we're
all in for more than trouble and I'll have to think about coming
up with something more than an apology!
--
   Sorry
--       Kevin "a careful typer, honest!" Pammett
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From:         "(Pip Forer)" <pip@GEOG.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Re: GIS for Atari and/or Acorn Archimedes hardware?

Darius,

The Acorn RISC machines, of which the Archimedes is part of the range, have some
 excellent image processing software for teaching, noteably Aim , a single band
 package with macro language and wide range of filters, and Alexander. The
 latter was developed at ITC specifically for teaching and is extremely good (
 friendly, fast, featured ). It deals with multi-band images and has a growing
 range of GIS functions, but is more constriained in  that area.

There is an educational GIS project in the UK, I believe, caled Aegis, which is
 a vector based GIS tutor aimed at less advanced levels. If you find out a
 contact I'd love to hear more. The database KEY PLUS has a simple spatial data
 analysis package called Distribution. It's not sophisticated, but for high
 school use it is very well targetted.

The recent models of the ACorn kit come complete with MS-DOS emulator ( runs
 SVGA at about 286 speed ) and you can run IDRISI in a window quite happily as
 an additional resource. There's also a couple of useful packages for
 cartographic work at a middle level of use ( Vector, Smart ). In the GIS area
 we mainly use the A5000 to run ArcInfo/ArcView under X. All the software is
 inexpensive and well targetted for introductory use. It is all window-based and
 developed for cooperative working ( viz drop a vegetation map out of an IP
 programe straight into Vector for annotation or into a raster/vector tracer for
 conversion to vector format). Learning ramp is very gentle and very low.

You can do quite a lot with multimedia mapping on the Acorn platform too. If you
 like I'll pass on some specs of some work done here.

  Pip Forer, Geography, University of Canterbury, Christchurch , New Zealand


( it will bore the mainstream users but the operating system certainly isn't the
 old BBC one.... RISC-OS3 is a very neat, fast OS with a very nice GUI ----
 probably the best on the desktop right now in those respects )

Disclaimer : " I'm not an enthusiast, I just know quality when I see it! "
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From:         "(Eddie Melton)" <melton@ZEN.WES.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: AML question (ARC/INFO)

Dale writes:

> How do you reference the space character in an AML script?  I tried
> [unqote ' '] hoping it wouldn't give me a blank line the way [unquote
> ''] does, but it did.
>
> Is there a way to refer to it by its ASCII code (32)?
>
> Here is some context for the question.  The attached code fragment
> pads a string with zeroes on the left.  I wanted to change it to pad
> with spaces, but was unable to come up with a solution.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dale Wyttenbach

Try this:

----- cut here -----
&args .tmp$var tmp$cnt

/*  PAD.AML
/*
/*  Description: This AML will accept a string, .tmp$var, and
/*               pad it with blanks until it is of length
/*               tmp$cnt.
/*
/*  Author:      R. Eddie Melton, Jr
/*               Atlantic Research Corporation
/*               US Army Corps of Engineers
/*               Waterways Experiment Station
/*               Vicksburg, MS

&if [null %.tmp$var%] &then &goto usage
&if [null %tmp$cnt%] &then &goto usage

&s .tmp$str := [value %.tmp$var%]

&s tmp$reps := %tmp$cnt% - [length %.tmp$str%]

&do tmp$I = 1 &to %tmp$reps% &by 1
  &s .tmp$str := [format ' %1%' %.tmp$str%]
&end

&s %.tmp$var% := %.tmp$str%

&dv tmp$I
&dv tmp$cnt
&dv tmp$reps
&dv .tmp$var
&dv .tmp$str

&return
&end

/*
/* Display usage
/*
&label usage
  &type Usage: PAD <variable name> <desired length>
  &return
----- cut here -----

Call this from the command line or an aml with:

  &run pad <variable name> <desired length>

do not use the %s with the variable name.

Eddie Melton


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     R. Eddie Melton, Jr., (EN-C)     |     E-mail: melton@zen.wes.army.mil
     Atlantic Research Corporation    |             melton@mc1.wes.army.mil
     Waterways Experiment Station     |
     3909 Halls Ferry Road            |     Voice:  (601) 634-2373
     Vicksburg, MS  39180             |     Fax:    (601) 634-3726
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From: jim@grafix (Jim Kuiper)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Question about new SPOT products.
Keywords: SPOT imagery
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:51:18 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory


I am working on putting together a GIS system that will be used for
environmental planning and assessment on a government installation.

I have a brochure from SPOT announcing their new SAR radar data (Almaz 1
satellite) and 5 meter resolution multispectral data.

Can someone who has used either of these products comment on them?
Please e-mail your response unless it is of general interest.

Thanks in advance.
+-------------------------+--------------------------+
| Jim Kuiper              | "Hey! Look what Zog do!" |
| jim@spatial.eid.anl.gov |            - Gary Larson |
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:29:13 +0000
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From:         zk@UKC.AC.UK
Subject:      Miranda

>> What is MIRANDA?  Is it specific to GIS?  or generic and usable
>> as a programming language to use in other scientific applications?

>> G

                     Miranda
                     =======

I responded directly to the original posting about Miranda
but as others seem to be interested as well, here goes.
Miranda is a functional programming language designed by
David Turner in our department here at Kent. It is a general
purpose programming language, and as far as I know has not
been used as the basis for a GIS (yet), although there is
no reason why it should not be. It is particularly suited
to list processing, pattern matching etc. but not limited
to these activities.

I did copy the original message to David in the hope that
he would respond directly. Anyway, there are several
published papers by him and others on functional programming
languages and Miranda in particular. The following books
may help:

   "Introduction to functional programming", R.Bird and
    P.Wadler, (Prentice Hall).
   "Functional Programming with Miranda", I.Holyer (Pitman).

Zarine

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From:         "(Diogenes Alves)" <dalves@DPI.INPE.BR>
Subject: Re: SYSGRAF workstations?

I think you're talking about with SISGRAPH, which is the Intergraph
subsidiary in Brazil.

My guess is that your correspondent has data from some old generation
IGDS system or maybe even MGE.

Diogenes Alves
INPE - Brazil
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From:         "P.Werner" <GISWGSR@PLEARN.BITNET>

Wang Yan writes:
>Subject:      Poland Coordinate System
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>I am working on a GIS project for Poland.  One thing I cannot figure out is
>the coordinate system used in Poland.  Is there anybody out there who konws
>this?

>I can give you some numbers for your reference.
>For the position in longitude: 4596 4600 4604
>and the position in latitude : 5904 5900 5896

>Any reply will be appreciated.

>Wang Yan at Iowa State University GIS Lab.

 The basic system coordinates used in Poland for economic and administrative
 purposes is the same as the International World Map in the scale 1:1000000.
 It is Gauss-Kruger projection and use every 6 degrees longitude columns
 and 4 degrees lattitude rows projected. The characters used for describing
 rows (belts,zones) of Poland territory are "M" and "N'.
 The columns are numbered to the East of Greenwich and for Poland
 the appriopriate numbers are "33" and "34" (for civilian applications
 we use 3 degrees wide columns). This spherical trapezoid made by crossing
 column and row is the basic map of the 1:1000000 scale. Next the map
 is divided into four parts and the line scale is doubled (1:500000) in
 such way:     sign of basic map  N-34
               
 (however it will not be the spherical trapezoid)
                A  B 
                and the sign of  is for example N-34-C
                C  D 
               
 The basic map is also divided into 9 parts and signed by Roman characters
 I-IX (example of sign VIII-N-34) for the scale 1:300 000.
 And so on. This is the starting point to use carthesian coordinates for
 greater scale maps.
 The middle meridian of the column after projection on the plain is the
 stright line. The main meridian for basic map of the scale 1:1000000 is
 15 00 00 E. We use three kind of coordinates: full  (with the accurate
 to 1 cm), short (accurate to 1 m) and close (defining the left bottom
 corner of square).

        Hope this help

        Piotr Werner
        GIS Educational Computer Laboratory
        Faculty of Geography and Regional Studies
        University of Warsaw
        Warsaw, Poland
        Email: GISWGSR@PLEARN
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From:         Loki <APM9@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: The price of digital data

Darius - you complain about the price of Digital Data in Ireland, but from
what I have seen of Ordnance Survey prices here in the UK (rural data
for our York Environs Project, and urban 1:1250 for the York Archaeological
Assessment) you are doing quite well.  NOT that I am suggesting #200 is
a reasonable price!!!!!

According to a recent article (GIS Europe, I think), the OS here considers
the (perfectly reasonable, as far as I can see) supply of cheap USGS data
as `commodity dumping', and is seeking action under GATT.
With the recent demise of GATT, does this mean that things will improve?

Does anybody else have any thoughts?

Paul Miller
York Archaeological Assessment
Department of Archaeology
University of York
York
UK

e-mail  apm9@uk.ac.york.vaxa (or something along those lines)
tel:						0904 636731 x 38
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						reports		reviews


Sunday Morning
Introductions by DMM and AUF                    Max             DMM

Sunday Afternoon				Scott/Matt      Mike

==============

Monday 						Scott/Matt      Mike/Max

==============

Tuesday Morning
Spatial Congnition HC, RGG, JL			Max             Scott

Navigation an dInference SG, TRS, SF		Max		??

Geographic Language MM, RMW, CSS 		Max/Mike	??

==============

Wednesday Morning

RF						DMM      	Max

Morning Working Groups
- Leader DJP 					Max/Mike        Matt
- Leader BLP					??              Scott

Afternoon Working Groups
- Leader SF					Scott
- Leader TLN					Tim             Matt
- Leader MJE				    	Max             Mike
- Leader ?? 					??
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From:         Yuemin Ding <ESRIDING@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AML question (ARC/INFO)

Hi,

  You may try the following revised code. Hope it works.


Yuemin Ding

SUNY-Buffalo
esriding@ubvms.bitnet

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>How do you reference the space character in an AML script?  I tried
>[unqote ' '] hoping it wouldn't give me a blank line the way [unquote
>''] does, but it did.
>
>Is there a way to refer to it by its ASCII code (32)?
>
>Here is some context for the question.  The attached code fragment
>pads a string with zeroes on the left.  I wanted to change it to pad
>with spaces, but was unable to come up with a solution.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dale Wyttenbach
>(enc)
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/*
/* The following is the revised code.
/*
&s numchar := [length %.t$dist%]
/*
/* pad left with spaces to length of 3, if user entry is under 3-char
/*
&select %numchar%
&when 1
  &s .t$dist := [quote [unquote '  '] %.t$dist%]
&when 2
  &s .t$dist := [quote [unquote ' '] %.t$dist%]
&end
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From:         Stephen Quan <quan@SOL.SURV.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: MIRANDA Programming Language
              "GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Nov 12, 92 3:00 pm

> What is MIRANDA?  Is it specific to GIS?  or generic and usable
> as a programming language to use in other scientific applications?

It is a complete programming language.  You could get it to anything
you want if you know the language.  It is really specific to Mathematics.
I don't think MIRANDA was meant for or designed for GIS, that is if
we are talking about the same MIRANDA.
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