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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? Nothing!
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:51:48 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <9223914.18190@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma):
> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
> I think both the first two films were masterpieces of a totally different kind.

I think Aliens was good, but in no way a masterpiece, quite apart from
its treatment of the Aliens.

> There was no social organisation in the first film.

Much better than showing them as hive creatures (no, I won't start
that discussion again).

> Most of the Aliens were at the colony. A dropship moves a little faster than
> a walking Alien, I'd assume.

Good point.
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Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: The Hitcher
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:24:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.1992Sep3.182410.13654
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>	I disagree.  The film did have your typical horror/slasher elements,
>but it has something that the rest of those don't - suspense!  I was really
>pleased to see a horror movie without stupid one-liners, and generally had
>some surprise to it.  

What suspense? What suprise? I can't think of one thing that happened in
that film that wasn't completely expected.

>The movie twisted and turned all over, generally
>giving me the effect of 'what was going to happen next?'.  

Well, after the Rutger Hauers character had gone away and come back half a
dozen time, I began to suspect that each time he went away...he was going to 
come back again. 

Michael


-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: AKIRA - Great flick! - But what's it about ?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:31:33 GMT

>Akira wasa a rad movie.. the animation was rad, when i first saw it
>i saw it on the VCR so i watched lots of the 
>secnes in slowmotion which was so rad..

Try frame advance through some of Tetsuo's 'hallucinations';  you
get to see some really weird stuff...

-- 

Craig Coffin
<craig@odie.cs.mun.ca>
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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: Re: ST:TUC interesting note
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:10:26 GMT

dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:

>SPOILERS below for Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

>

>In article <goudswaa.714612481@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) writes:
>>This may have already been discussed, and if it was, my apologies.
>>Did anyone else find it strange that just after the crew from the
>>Klingon battlecruiser Kronos I beamed to the Enterprise for dinner
>>and left the transporter room, the two guards were discussing the
>>smell of the Klingons.  Suddenly they were confronted by the Vulcan
>>female officer (forget her name), who said, "do you two have work?"
>>They said, "Yes, ma'am."  Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't female
>>Vulcan (and perhaps all female) officers called "sir"?  Seemed
>>suspicious at the time.

>>Then, watching the video, I discovered why.  Those two guards were
>>the ones who beamed over to the Kronos I with the magnetic boots and
>>assasinated the Klingons.  If you look closely, they are the two
>>that are lying dead in the hall, the ones that Kirk said something
>>like "...the first rule of assassination -- kill the assassins."
>>

>I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning as to why this explains the 
>Ma'am/Sir confusion, however.  Could you elaborate?

Certainly.  While watching the movie, I assumed that the movie would
not contain such an obvious blunder (naive, or what?)  So therefore,
there must be some other reason for it.  I had no theories until I
watched the video.

When I realized that the two dead guys were the ones who said "Yes, ma'am",
(stay with me here) I figured that they were not really StarFleet guys, but
probably imposters who, because they didn't know _everything_ about
StarFleet rules and regulations, made the mistake of saying "ma'am".
(inhale).  I don't know whether to really believe in the imposter or the
disloyal StarFleet theory, but the imposter one is pretty weak, admitted.

But you must remember that I said "it seemed suspicious at the time."
I didn't actually say that the connection was definitely there.   My 
point was that, at the time, in the theater, my suspicions were aroused
by the guards' blunder.

I am only offering the imposter theory for discussion.  I am not a
all certain why they said "ma'am".  Can anyone else shed some light on
this?  Is there any other evidence that wasn't presented?  BTW, I loved
the movie -- watching the final battle with the cloaked ship, and Sulu
throwing everything at it, made me giddy as a schoolgirl.

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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:34:05 GMT

mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:

>	OK, it's my turn...

>	First of all, not all of the crew was put into hypersleep while
>	the Sulaco was en route to LV426.  Bishop remained functioning
>	to monitor the flight and all systems, including the hypersleep
>	chambers.  This is the reason that many spacefaring groups insist
>	on having a synthetic on board.  They make great "ship-sitters"
>	over the long periods of hyperspace travel to other systems.
>	Source:  *Aliens* novelization.

I hate to burst your bubble, but Bishop is in hypersleep for the journey to
LV-426. His name is on the computer readout of the sleepers and he is among
the marines in his underwear during the wake-up scene. (He staggers past the
camera looking like he's got a hangover.)

The Aliens novel also refers to someone called "Corporal Hudson" and describes
the journey to LV-426 as three weeks, whereas Foster's A3 says it takes about
six months.

Foster may be a great writer, but he has a slight problem reading scripts...

-- 
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JJ Glamma                          | "Hey look... The Sarge and Dietrich ain't
aka James William Patrick Bennetts |  dead, man... their signs are real low, 
jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU         |  but they ain't dead!"
-----------------------------------+ "Then we go back in and get them!"
When in doubt, use brute force.	   | "F*ck that!"
		-- Ken Thompson	   |	-- PFCs Hudson & Vasquez, on loyalty.
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From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: Help with movie title
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 27 Aug 1992 13:40 EDT  

In article <MARKF.92Aug25181253@montreux.ai.mit.edu>, markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes...
> 
>  I am helping a friend who is trying to discover the name (and any
>other info) of a movie that he remembers seeing on TV around 1968.
> 
>  The movie is set at some time in the not too distant future and
>centers around a game called "the big hunt". In this game a person
>registers his name with a big computer and receives the name of
>another person who has decided to play the game. Once this exchange
>has taken place the objective of the game is to kill the other person
>(before he/she kills you, of course). If you kill the other person you
>get some large sum of money and are protected from the law - the game
>is apparently sanctioned by the powers that be.
> 
>  My friend remembers that the hero of the film was a profressional
>participant in the game and had blond hair. He also believed that the
>film opened with a scene at an equestrian meet where a rider (with a
>gun in his hand) clicks together the heels of his boots (given to him
>by his unknown nemesis in the big hunt) and the boots explode.
> 
>  If any of this rings a bell for you please send me e-mail. Thanks.
> 
When you get the answer to this question could you send it my way. Thanx.

Cass  edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (expires 9-4-92)
  or gt9153a@prism.gatech.edu



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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: The Hitcher
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.093107.735@calmasd.prime.com> wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
>The Hitcher -- Rutger Hauer, C.Thomas Howell, Jennifer Jason Leigh - for those
>	who are tired of thrillers that are just hack & slash, or
>	"psychological thrillers" (SWF) with no action.  An intelligent
>	thriller with something of value on several levels.

The Hitcher? The Hitcher? Are you kidding? What was in this film besides hack
& slash? He picks him up, he gets threatened, he dumps him off. He comes back,
he gets rid of him again, suprise, he comes back. Repeat five or six times. It
has been a while since I saw it, but was there anything else to this film? What
was the value of this film on any level?

Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN question
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:43:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <f6an3_@lynx.unm.edu>, by lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble):
> If the names of the *ships* made the _Nostromo_ and the _Sulaco_
> implausible to you

Not the Nostromo, merely the Sulaco.

> In fact, I'd go so far as to say you're likely to be the *only person on
> the planet* who's an anal enough fanboy to even see this as a *problem*. 

Go home and play, and come back to this newsgroup when you have to say
something about movies.
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Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Plot holes in Alien^3 (*S
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 15:46:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <9224814.25485@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> tjm@ecr.mu.oz.au (Trefor_John MORGAN) writes:
>
>  As far as I saw in Aliens^3, there was only one egg on the ship and
>this "infected" the dog.  The acid at the beginning drips on Newts
>life support shell, and ripleys shell is fully intact. So
>
>	HOW DID THE MOTHER GET IN HER ????????

I haven't seen ALIEN^3 yet, but in the Dark Horse comic
adaptation the queen embryo crawls out of Newt's mouth (she's
drowned at this point) and then crawls down Ripley's throat. I've
heard that some form of medical scan shown in the 'dreamlike'
beginning of ^3 might show Ripley with a f'hugger.

Truthfully, I don't think even Giler, Hill, or Fincher know.
Remember that 20th Century Fox pulled the plug before filming was
complete and refused some post-production reshots. They had to
take whatever footage they had and edit it into a story.

>  Help me please, as I have a sore throat and stomach and
>want to see if I'm in the high risk category.

Just as a precaution, can you fly to Ottawa in the next few days? :)

Joshua
+      "Each woman is a promise that she can't keep that appeals to           +
|  a hope you can't control." - joe theseus, Deadface: Earth Water Air Fire   |
|                                                                             |
+ jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca   Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary +
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Russian movie "Stalker, The Zone" anyone seen it in USA
Keywords: Zone Russian movies
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <1992Aug27.221947.22152@gallant.apple.com>,
larryy@gallant.apple.com (Larry Yaeger) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug27.172616.26031@nsc.nsc.com> robertk@nsc.nsc.com
(Robert Krohn) writes:
|>>Has anyone seen this movie ?
|>>It deals with 3 guys who break out of futuristic jail and venture into
|>>a forbidden zone.
|>>I ssaw it in Germany so Im not sure about the title. I would like
|>>to see it again here in the States.
|>
|>Yes.  It occasionally shows up in repertory cinemas (that's where I saw it).
|>The director of that film, Tarkovsky, also directed "Solaris", which IMHO
|>is brilliant.  See it if you get a chance (repertory cinemas again, though
|>it has also shown up on videotape recently), but be sure to mentally edit
|>out the car ride through Tokyo -- if you've seen the film you already know
|>exactly what I mean, if you haven't seen it yet, you *will* know what I
|>mean, and *trust me*... you'll enjoy the whole film more if you just
|>mentally edit out that one scene.
|>-- 
|>-larryy@apple.com
|>
|>"Shi Nou Kou Sho Inu Neko Programmer"  -  Takada Naoki
            
   Elaborate please!!!! Mark as spoiler if necessary, but PLEASE!!
       
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| Edinburgh, SCOTLAND |        - Frank Booth ("Blue Velvet")     |
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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Summary: yay
Keywords: yay
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:58:00 GMT
Organization: SUNYAB
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <714642873.F00003@csource.oz.au>, Robert.Winkel@p2.f158.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Robert Winkel) writes...
>If anyone is interested I have a VERY complete listing of all of Tim Curry's
>movies and albums....  One 'yay' will be enough to prompt me to post it here.
> 
>ciao. 
> 
> 
> * Origin: .   .  . ..RAVENLOFT BBS [03-899-3247].. .  .   . (3:633/158.2)

Yay!
Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
================================================================================
Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
===========I wish this was a .sig so I wouldn't have to type all this===========
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: rec.arts.sf.movies.alien?
Keywords: SARCASM ALERT
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:06:33 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

>sarcasm generator engaged<

Hey there!  How about a new group for all these Alien/Aliens/
Alien^3 discussions?  I mean trekkies got theirs, so did the 
Star Wars discussants, why not the Aliens films?  We could even
have FAQs, archives of all the names for Aliens 4, and discussions
of the Joseph Conrad references until our eyes bleed.

These threads don't _have_ to die!  We can keep them going forever
and forever.  But the least they deserve is their own group.  So,
what do you say?

>sarcasm generator disengaged<
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Aliens  ....  does it really matter?
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:52:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Ok.. I know a ton of people are going to hate this post.  But it has
to be said.  At least in my opinion.

I, myself love to discuss movies and love to hear how other people
think about the movies.  It is good that people can discuss stuff like
this on a news network like this.

But some of you people have abused the topic of Aliens to the nth degree.
A lot of the points were made early in the thread.  But people are 
rehashing and rehashing the same stuff over and over.  
Is the really going to change the movie?  Is Riddley Scott going to read
these rehashed posts and say "Gee... so many people think there were some
plot holes.  I am going to remake the movie so there wont be any plot holes."
Come on.  
I am one who like to get in intense discussion about movies but.. come on,
some people seem to have seen the movie over a hundred times.  
My personal comment is that you have way toooo much time on your hands
if you know every signal nit picky thing on the movie.  
How about watch another movie?  Rent a classic.  Like The French Connection.
Maybe a nice a good mystery.  Maybe even a spy movie like the Spy Who Came in from the cold.  Something like that.  
Oh well.  Only some observations made.  If you want to flame this...
do it to my mail...  I would hate to waste other peoples time with
wasted bandwidth anyway.

Peter
orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu 
 
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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:58:48 GMT

exukozi@exu.ericsson.se (Tom Koziatek) writes:

>In article <BtMLC3.J4H@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks) writes:
>>
>>   Remember they were going into a situation where they didn't expect *any*
>>trouble. They had the APC and the dropship safely seperated and the dropship
>>was 'safe' in what was deemed a secure area. I have no problems with a fast
>>response team like this one was taking everybody down to investigate what they
>>thought was merely a downed transmitter.
>>
>Absolute crap. They had Ripleys briefing on the Aliens. If they *knew* it
>was a transmitter, they would have sent a Maytag-repair tech to fix it. Instead,
>they send a bunch of Marines going Argh!. Seems like they were preparing for
>any sort of trouble.

>However, in war one should expect the unexpected. Always have a backup. There
>should have been at least another pilot on the Sulaco, just for emergencies.
>To assume that two separated vehicles cannot both become casualities is
>pure insanity.

LV-426 was not war. I would say that the mission brief was closer to something
like Hostage Rescue... "It's a rescue mission." "Dumb-ass colonists" etc.

So what if there is a backup pilot on SULAO, who is paid to sit in the dropship
bay smoking cigarettes, and he gets appendicitis at the wrong time. Well, golly
gee, we'd better have a doctor onboard at all times... so either we send the
squad down less one medic, or we carry an extra person to cover the possibility
that the APC, dropship and pilot are all incapacitated.

You see my point, I hope. Backups cost money and resources, and ninety-nine
times out of a hundred, they need never be used. Someone in Colonial Marine ops
decided that a seperated dropship and APC, with a qualified pilot kept away
from both vehicles (Bishop) was enough redundancy. (of course, this guy didn't
figure on his people taking a wrong turn into a James Cameron movie.)

Now, maybe he made a mistake, and there should have been more redundancy... but
it seems a credible enough decision to me.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Death is the Ultimate Victor............            
>                                                                      -Tom

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JJ Glamma                          | "Hey look... The Sarge and Dietrich ain't
aka James William Patrick Bennetts |  dead, man... their signs are real low, 
jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU         |  but they ain't dead!"
-----------------------------------+ "Then we go back in and get them!"
When in doubt, use brute force.	   | "F*ck that!"
		-- Ken Thompson	   |	-- PFCs Hudson & Vasquez, on loyalty.
-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------------
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien: The Conrad Connection
Keywords: Conrad Narcissus Nostromo Sulaco
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:12:27 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <rabjab.36.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>Now we have Nostromo, Sulaco and Narcissus.  Are there any others?
>Should Alien fans rush out to the library and read through stacks 
>of Joseph Conrad novels?  Is there any significance to these namings?

I don't remember any other ships, so probably not; only if they really
want to; and perhaps Cameron and Scott are Joseph Conrad fans and inserted
the names as in-jokes?
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