From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:09:11 GMT

In article <1if18oINNnht@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:

# In article 13490, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
# snorts and puffs:

	Cute.  real cute.

# >The only way that I am "Wrong again" and that it is not you who
# >is
# >incorrect is if the problem is the existence of Israel itself
# >and not
# >anything else at all.
 
# This could very well be the problem.

	By making that very statement, you have identified yourself as
being part of the problem.

# As we all know, the Israeli
# government was imposed on Palestine by the U.N., much as many
# governments were externally instituted and imposed at the end of
# WWII in Africa, Indochina, and in those areas formerly kown as
# Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.  Those externally imposed
# "solutions" didn't work, as we have seen and are seeing.

	You mean as only YOU know.  What created israel were the brave
Jews who died for it.  Nothing else.  And while the other solutions
you suggested may not have worked, Israel does and will eventually
work even better.

	At any rate, you further expose your ignorance by referring to
"palestine?".  There has never been a state by that name.

# The
# Palestinian Arabs did not agree to be governed by Israel,
# obviously; the time that's passed has not lent any legitimacy to
# Israeli rule in their eyes, and it's not likely to.  The problems
# of Palestine will be solved only when the principals involved
# come to an agreement.  Outsiders can't do that for them.  What's
# happening in Palestine is another example of a widespread post-
# colonial phenomenon.  There's no need to take it personally.

	Again you use the mythical term "palestine?", a word which was
only created and forced on the arrea by the Romans to eradicate any
jewish identity with the land.  Well their and your intentions will
not work.

	As to not wanting to be governed by Israel, they had a chance to
accept another independent state (they have others by the way).  By
doing the only thing stupider than the Jews accepting the partition
plan (which was a ripoff to the Jews), they refused to accept it.

	Then in a war forced on them by the Arabs in 1967, the Israeli
army liberated the territories of Judea and Samaria, and they took
Gaza also.  When the Arabs in Gaza can show that they can as a
majority behave like civilized people, and control those among them
that cannot, the Israeli army will probably pull out.

# >In other words, Jews having their own state is
# >a horrific idea to you. Jews should remain to be the victims of
# >the
# >rest of the world and they cannot do anything about it.
 
# I don't care what Jews have or do.  They can have their own state
# if they want.  But I don't think Palestine is a very good place
# to have it.

	That is fine and dandy because it is not in "palestine?"a
"palestine?" is in your head.

# >    However, even if that anti-semitic interpretation of yours
# >was
# >correct (and only an ignoramous or a bigot would even consider
# >that
# >possibility),
 
# YOU seem to have considered it mightily, for reasons that you
# have made quite obvious.

	I have argued against it but not considered it.  It is you who
not only considered it but also accepted it for reasons that you now
know are quite obvious (so the ignoramous part no longer applies to
you).

# (warlike beating of chest and uttering of threats deleted)

	Why do you consider making statements of fact that were not
intended to be provacative in any way to be "warlike beating of chest
and uttering of threats"?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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