Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: MIT'in IT mi ? SEYTAN'in ta kendisi mi ?
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:30:12 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> Ikiniz ucunuz saldirirken yikiyor, diger (kalin koca kafali olan)  
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^  
> guya savunma yaziyormus  
> ayaklarda o da baska pislikler atip yikmaya calisiyor.   
  
Esma Hanim,  
sen simdi burada beni MIT'in IT'i olarak mi belirliyorsun, yoksa senin  
efendilerin mi bunu sana soyletiyorlar ?  
  
Simdi ben size desem ki:  
  
"Yok ben MIT'in IT'i degilim, ben SEYTAN'in ta kendisiyim..."  
  
ve de ilave etsem :  
  
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Contributors:  
HK> Hakki Kocabas  * Welcome to Word Wars! *  
KN> /* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */  
KS> Kevin Simonson  
MB> Mike Bristow  
SH> Semhaza (The Antichrist)  
??> ??  
  
Key words:   
  
God, Angel, Adam, Lucifer, mankind, man,  
viceroy, honour, exalted, pride, curse, immortals, scornful  
enemy, friend  
  
prostrate, create, deviate, whisper, dispute, command, help,  
frighten, reject, forget, mislead, ruin, afflict, induce, prevent,  
spend, fullfil, excite, promise  
  
clay, fire,  
  
disbelief, unbeliever,   
faith, truthful-subject, righteous  
  
appointed-time, day-of-raising,   
  
path-of-error, straight-path,   
  
kingdom-that-never-becomes-old,   
shameless-behaviour, bad-counsel, deception,  
poverty, fear, wealth, children, torment, distress, engross  
commanding-illegitemate-prayers/-pollutions,   
deeds-seem-fair, good-deeds,   
  
authority, power,   
knowledge,   
  
  
HK> WHO AM I ?  
  
HK> When your God said to the Angels and I : I will make a viceroy on  
HK> the earth.   
  
HK> We said: Will You place there someone who will make mischief  
HK> therein and shed blood, while we hymn Your praise and sanctify You?  
  
HK> He said: Surely I know which you know not.   
  
HK> And when God said to the Angels and I : Prostrate for Adam.  
HK> All prostrated except Me..  
  
HK> I was critical about the honour given to Adam.      
  
HK> God said: Lucifer! what hindered you from prostrating...Are you too  
HK> proud, or are you of the high exalted?   
  
HK> I said: Shall I prostrate for whom You created from earth, from  
HK> clay? I will not prostrate for an individual created from baked  
HK> clay, from altered black  mud. I am better than him, You created me  
HK> of fire, and You created him from clay..  
  
HK> God said; Then go down! It is not for you to show pride here..  
  
HK> I demurred through pride and I was scornful, and became of those  
HK> rejected, one of disbelievers..  
  
HK> I said: My Lord reprieve me till the day when they are raised..  
  
HK> He said: Then you are reprieved. Till an appointed time, till the  
HK> day of raising..  
  
HK> I said: By Your Might, I will deviate every one of them, except  
HK> those of Your subjects who are truthful. I  will ruin all but a few  
HK> of his descendants. I shall adorn the path of error for them on the  
HK> earth, and shall mislead every one of them, except those of Your  
HK> subjects who are righteous.   
HK> I will lurk ambush for mankind on Your straight path, and will  
HK> spring upon mankind from their front, from their rear, from their  
HK> right and from their left..  
  
HK> God said: A curse is on you until the day of judgement..  
  
HK> And God said: Adam! Dwell with your wife in the garden, eat any of  
HK> its fruit that you will, but never approach this tree or you become  
HK> wrongdoers..  
  
HK> And I whispered to them so that I might manifest unto them what  
HK> were hidden from them of their shame. And I said: Your Lord forbade  
HK> you from this tree, only to prevent you from becoming angels or  
HK> immortals..  
  
HK> If God were not merciful, you would all follow me except for a few.  
  
HK> I promised Adam immortality, a kingdom that never becomes old. I  
HK> promise man nothing, but deception. I deceive through pride. I can  
HK> excite people with my voice. I command shameless behaviour. I give  
HK> bad counsel. I induce fear to my friends, frighten man with  
HK> poverty, and become partner in their wealth and children. I can  
HK> induce harm through themselves. I lead man astray by vain desires,  
HK> commanding with illegitimate prayers and sermons, commanding  
HK> pollution to God's creation. I make man's deeds seem fair to him.  
HK> I make you forget important things, good deeds. I engross man to  
HK> forget remembrance of God. I induce disputes among mankind. I  
HK> afflict man with distress and torment..  
  
HK> I say to unbelievers: None of mankind has power over you today, and  
HK> you are under my protection..  
  
HK> And then, in the hour of need, I say: I am done with you. I see  
HK> what you cannot see. I fear God, God's punishment is severe.  
  
HK> And when the command was decreed, I say: God promised you with a  
HK> promise to be fulfilled. I promised you but I failed you. I had no  
HK> authority over you. I called and you responded. I cannot help you,  
HK> and you cannot help me.And if you  want to make friends with me,   
HK> then spend your wealth to show off, reject faith, dispute about God  
HK> without knowledge, keep away from the remembrance of God.  
  
HK> I am your open enemy.  
  
HK> If I am NOT SATAN, then WHO IS ?.  
HK> Beware the immitations >:->  
  
HK> DON'T SEND MONEY, I'M ALSO STINKING RICH.  
  
HK>>;-> ROTFL  
:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->  
   
JOSH> pretty neat, adoption of one chapter of the quran, neh?  
   
  
HK> Don't you see the differences between ME (Satan) and SATAN of the  
HK> Quran ?  
  
JOSH> though of course, why should the islamic mythology of satan have any   
JOSH> more affect on anyone than the christian mythology of satan?  
  
HK> and/or, why should your mythology of Me (Satan) have any more  
HK> affect on anyone then My (Satan) mythology of Myself (Satan)?  
  
JOSH> it does bring up an interesting point, though, which is that there  
JOSH> have been some islamic heresies which include shaitan as an important  
JOSH> angel who only appears evil which (unlike christian diabolisms) became  
JOSH> religions which may still have adherents today (unless the shiites have 
JOSH> killed them all).  
  
HK> I (Satan) always have had adherents dispite the promise that human  
HK> beings gave to the Lord that they should NOT worship Me.   
  
HK> Didn't I say:  
HK> If God were not merciful, you would all follow me except for a few.  
  
>;->  
  
>> Mike Bristow  
MB>> I was just wondering...is this good or bad?  Is this a pro- or anti-Satan
MB>> post?  Can't tell...  
  
HK> It is one of those duck/rabbit messages...>;->  
HK> If you are good, then you see Me good.  
HK> And if you are bad, then you see Me bad.  
HK> If you are pro-Satan, then it is pro-Satan post,  
HK> But, if you are anti-Satan, then it is anti-Satan post, is it not ?  
HK> But all in all, if I am not Satan, then who is ?  
>;->  
   
JOSH>I was just wondering...is this good or bad?  Is this a pro- or anti-Satan
JOSH>post?  Can't tell...  
   
JOSH> it's a loony muslim. why should the christians have a monopoly on  
JOSH> invasive insanity?  
  
HK> Are you trying to say that I am loony Satan of a loony muslim ? :-)  
HK> But don't you see the categorical difference between Me (Satan) and  
HK> the Satan of the muslims...Even I can see that in insanity :-)  
HK> You still haven't answered my big question: If I am not Satan then  
HK> who is ?  
HK> Be invasive in sanity, and answer me Oh josh !  
  
HK> DON'T SEND MONEY, I'M ALSO STINKING RICH.  
  
HK> You still haven't answered my big question: If I am not Satan then  
HK> who is ?  
HK> Be invasive in sanity, and answer me Oh josh !  
  
HK> And then a Kevin answered   
  
KS> Kevin Simonson  
KS> Maybe there is no Satan.  
KS> Although I'm perfectly willing to consider the possibility that Hakki  
KS> is Satan.    
  
HK> Are you also perfectly willing to start a campaign to get me burned on the
HK> stake :-> or shower fire on me :-> setting up inquisition courts to legali
HK> your acts :->   
HK> I am baaaaaaack :->?  
  
SH> Semhaza (The Antichrist)  
SH> [a dictionary of "key words" deleted]  
SH> [rambling deleted]  
SH> [pointless questions and dull answers deleted]  
  
SH> Is there anything that you find morally offensive about posting coherent  
SH> messages?  
  
SH> "Some say God, some say faith  
SH>  I say sex, drugs, rock and beer"  
SH>  Witchfinder General, "Invisible Hate"  
  
SH> You are correct in one respect. When I called myself Satan, I wasn't telli
SH> the truth. I was being sarcastic. I am only the Antichrist. I do know Sata
SH> very well, and I know that you are not even a poor pathetic imitation.  
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
HK> that you don't know yet, because you confuse SATAN with devils...and  
HK> antichrist is one concept invented long after Jesus...for some political  
HK> leads...I can tie down SATAN to the key words that you don't like to see  
HK> at the beginning of my posts. Now how can you tie down yourself to our  
HK> language that we can understand you...you see sometimes you don't know  
HK> what you are doing, you little devil :->  
  
HK> now did I ever say that I am SATAN....but I said if I am NOT, then who IS?
HK> definitely not YOU....in my jargon you might only be a little devil whom  
HK> I know how to handle...  
  
KN> /* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */  
  
??> My problem lies in meditation 3... in reading it, I belive that  
??> Descartes is trying to logicaly prove the existence of God.  
??> However, breaking his reasoning into my words, I think he is saying  
??> that (paraphrased) It is imposible to imagne a being such as God  
??> could exist, ie something all powerful and all good is not within  
??> human imagination, therfore he must exist.  I must say that I feel  
??> that that is a pretty terrible proof, so am I missing something?  
  
KN> Well, actually, if my memory serves me right, Descartes' argument is   
KN> roughly that:  
   
KN> 1. I have an idea of an absolutely perfect being.  
              ^^^^^^^  
KN> 2. How do I account for the presence of this idea in my finite mind?  
KN> 3. A cause must have "more reality" or "perfection" than the effect.  
KN> 4. Therefore, God must have caused me to have this idea.  
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^  
KN> I think that's it. A bit more plausible that your rendition, but, of cours
KN> still an unsound argument.  
  
HK> in other words 'idea' in 'idea' out :-> does it matter whatever it is?  
HK> listen to that:->  
  
HK|> 1. I have an idea of an absolutely imperfect being.  
               ^^^^^^^  
HK|> 2. How do I account for the presence of this idea in my finite mind?  
HK|> 3. Such A cause must have "more irreality" or "imperfection" than the eff
HK|> 4. Therefore, Satan must have caused me to have this idea.  
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^  
HK> with such a miserable language Descartes cannot even prove 'Descartes' is 
HK> his name, leave alone 'the existence' of something 'perfect'...  
     
KN> /* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */  
HK> Welcome to Word Wars!   
  
SH> --Semhaza  
SH> Yes, I am well aware that "antichrist" is a concept that came along after 
SH> Jesus, though I wouldn't describe it as "long after." However, if you knew
SH> you would understand why I am called this. What country do you live in?  
SH> Mo, I do not confuse Satan with devils, I have a better grasp of reality t
SH> that. You are the one who seems to be trivializing Satan.  
      
HK> > now did I ever say that I am SATAN....but I said if I am NOT, then who I
HK> > definitely not YOU....in my jargon you might only be a little devil whom
HK> > I know how to handle...    
   
SH> So you are asking a question in the search for information?  
  
HK> no, no, no...  
HK> I am NOT asking a question in search for information - NOT AT ALL..  
HK> but I am urging you to use intellect, while you have time and resources...
HK> I really cannot help you more than that, if you give up that means  
HK> you have already given in...I WANT YOU TALK, rather than mumble, like  
HK> you do in your FAQ...can't you see the misery of it in contrast to   
HK> my FAQ...yes you do...but you expect me to fade away like a sun spot  
HK> on your popo, in time....like a cancer patient, you hallucinate that  
HK> if you ignore me, I may disappear :->...however, I'll be around giving   
HK> you real headache pushing forward your petite philosophical worries   
HK> ever and ever again...  
HK> why shall _I_ give up, I know that you are the one who is   
HK> going to melt away...or boil down to nought :->  
HK> I am watching you with o^o o^o eyes...after I play with you a while  
HK> than I will simply say : 'Done with you Semhaza!, I am getting bored  
HK> with your performance...'  
HK> DON'T SEND MONEY, I'M ALSO STINKING RICH.  
  
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