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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Scottish Results/News 25-27th January 1993
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:51:38 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


Scottish Results
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25th Januaury
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Scottish Cup Replay   --        East Stirling 2  Cove Rangers 1



26th January
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1st Division			2nd Division

Ayr Utd 2  Stirling 2		Alloa 3  Montrose 0
Raith Rov 4  Clydebank 2	East Fife 1  Clyde 1
				Forfar  2  Queens Park 0
				Stenhousemuir 1  Queen of the South 0



27th January
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Scottish Cup Replay
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Falkirk 5   Berwick  Rangers  2

Premier Division
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Partick Thistle 2       Dundee  0

1st Division
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Cowdenbeath 0  St Mirren 3
Hamilton   1   Kilmarnock 2
Meadowbank  3  Dumbarton 3



	Richard Gough has been reported to the Scottish League alongside 
Walter Smith and David Murray for tapping Duncan Ferguson on Dundee United.

	Airdrie have released a video to counteract claims that they are a 
dirty after allegations by Gary Stevens that he was kicked on the knee by 
an Airdrie player.  Airdrie have had 14 players sent off and ~175 players 
booked since they entered the Premier Division last season and claim they are
not a dirty team.  And people think Southampton have problems !

	Alex McLeish of Aberdeen may well be considred for the next 
WC match against Malta next month along with Brian Irvine.  This depends 
on the recovery of Richard Gough.

	The SFA will hear on Monday that 7 Premier Division clubs may not be
able to meet the Taylor Report requirements by the start of season 1994.
If the clubs are only allowed to use existing seating accomadation then the 
the clubs involved will have the follwoing capacities,

Celtic    6 427   Partick   2 906  Dundee 10 971
Hearts   10 000   Airdrie   1 000
Hibs      6 546   Falkirk   2 661

	All clubs have some sort of plans for developments but as usual it's
all talk and no action.
 
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From: bjpc@engin.umich.edu (Brian Jeffrey Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: uk fans DON'T go!!!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:05:24 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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 would like to add my 2 cents to this debate about the uk fans.
1.  they should not leave rec.s.soccer.  if they were not here is
would leava a huge empty space on the net.

2.. for all uk fans, please keep the bickering about if liverpool
is the best (which they aren't :-)) and whatever other bickering
on e-mail.

i personally love to hear and read about football from around the
world, african qualifying AND english league.

there is room for all of us here, but remember try to keep as much
as possible on EMAIL!!!!!  that is what it was made for!!!!!!!!!

peace, love and happiness:  brian j. cook

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From: anders@maths.tcd.ie (Carmel Considine)
Subject: union
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:58:13 GMT

On the subject of uniting the northern Ireland and the republic as one
big happy soccer team we must first stop and think of the disaster
that their rugby counterparts are making of THEIR union.Both teams
have enjoyed moderate success individually there is no foundation 
that this would improve by a union.In fact we would be well advised
to leave well enough alone and accept the division of the football
team as we must accept the division of the country.Anyway it's fun
when we beat Northern Ireland.
From: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (David MacManus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Arsenal v Leeds FA Cup 4th Round
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:09:40 GMT
Reply-To: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.


	Result of Monday nights FA Cup match

	Arsenal 2 	Leeds 2
	Parlour		Speed
	Merson		Chapman

	Halftime 0-2

	Arsenal come back from the dead (Campbell nearly steals it in injury time).
	Replay Wednesday week (3 Feb) 
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From: ianett@di.unipi.it (Francesco Ianett)
Subject: Re: I gobbi (was: the great Milan)
Organization: Dipartimento di Informatica, Universita' di Pisa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:56:19 GMT

In <1993Jan25.135447.17010@ulrik.uio.no> (Jacopo Andreose) writes: 
OB
>> I'm sorry for you porr buddy, but I insist: you are not 
>> well informed about how fans are called. I gobbi are
>> definitely "Juventus" fans. If you don't know, Juventus
>> symbol is a zebra (black and white, do you know that?)
>> which is an animal which back has a bump (I don't know
>> the name in english, but in italian we call it 'gobba'.

>In english is called hump, and "gobbo" would be humpback. But I have a
>different version of the story. "Gobbi" should not be Juventus fans but
>players. They got that nickname many years ago, when they were wearing some
>awkward kind of jerseys, which air sweld as players were running.
>Any Juventus fan out there who can confirm this? 

>Jacopo Andreose | jacopo@pons.uio.no | +47-2-851248 |  Forza Milan! 
>Inst of Neurophysiology, University of Oslo, Norway | Forza Venezia!       
>                                                    




I think you can trust a real italian soccer fan: "Gobbi", that means
"Hunchbacks" are definitevely FC Juventus supporters, for instance the
"Drughi" group: that is because they are UGLY or so say other teams 
supporters, in particular at Florence.

Alessio F. Bragadini
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: United-Villa comparison
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:11:44 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
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Trygve Svendsen (trygve@hsr.no) wrote:
: Keywords: 

: Well, after reading a lot of articles about United and Villa lately 
: I have decided to make a evaluation of the two teams.
: I think it is fair to say that one of these two will win the Premier League.
: As far as I am concerned, only two other clubs have a remote chance of winning
: it, Blackburn and Arsenal.(In that order).

: Villa and United both play the 4-4-2 so it is easy to make a straight-forward
: comparison between them. Well, here it goes:

[comparisons deleted]

Whilst I don't agree with your conclusions, :-), Trygve, I think you're
fairly accurate in your assessment of the two sides. One thing I'll
add though, is overall team performance. As we (United fans) found out
last season, it's not just the quality of the players that count it's
more subtle aspects that can make the difference between winning and
losing - team spirit, confidence, understanding, plus the ability to
learn, as a team. The latter element is the main reason why I've
believed all season that United will win it this year. They went
through their own personal hell towards the end of last season when
they let the title slip. That can do two things to a team, demoralise
them for the followings season or make them more determined. I believe
that United have learned from last season, particularly how to take
the pressure and it's this that will make the difference between them
and Villa. I knowthat Villa have a few players that have won the
title before, but they also have many who have not been in that
position nor have faced the pressure that comes with it. I'm not
saying that Villa will bottle, but that in the latter stages they may
not be able to handle the pressure as well as United.

Regards,

Dave

: Cheers,
:        TRYGVE SVENDSEN
:        NORWAY
From: joanneh@compnews.co.uk (Joanne Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FA Cup draw
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:30:41 GMT
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FA Cup fifth round draw

Tottenham v Aston Villa or Wimbledon
Man City v Barnsley
Blackburn v Rotherham or Newcastle
Sheff Wed v Southend
Sheff Utd v Man Utd
Derby v Bolton
Arsenal or Leeds v Nottm Forest or Middlesbrough
Ipswich v Swansea or Grimsby
Ties to be played Feb 13,14,15.


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From: laudw@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr D R Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 27th January...Old Trafford...Man Utd V Nottm Forest
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:09:14 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <C15MIt.Mnr@newcastle.ac.uk> P.D.Wardle@newcastle.ac.uk (P.D. Wardle) writes:
>After doing the double over Man Utd last season and effectively depriving them
>of the championship, (I am of course talking about Nottm Forest) I'd like a few
>opinions from all those peeps out there about the match Mottm Forest V Man Utd
>on Wed 27th January.
>
>I am fed up of all this talk about whether Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, etc..
>are the best..... they're ALL crap. So there you go.

But in a slightly better position than Notts Forest are'nt they ??

>I am awaiting any opinions of how many Forest are going to stick past those two
>sticks protected by the Mancs....
>
>I'll tell you one thing, though... Man Utd won't win the league for another 26
>years at least *8-)!!!!

Yeah, like 1978 is dead recent..... and even after that the only crap
that Forest can win is the rumbelows..dead impressive....
(Cloughie will NEVER win the FA Cup)

>Yours,
>
>      P.D.Wardle (Brian Clough's left hand man)
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are we talking about the same marvelous Brian Clough that lost Darren
Wassal because he spat on his hand after he had injured it and said he
could'nt play ??? I hope that United turn over Forest completely and
roar on to win the championship,whilst Forest keep on the sorry road
to relegation,thanks to their now Wassaless defence,it would serve
that old senile sod cloughie right for his arrogant attitutde !!!

my prediction...

United 3
Forest 1 (which will no doubt be either a flukey penalty or a
          pearce free-kick ....)

DH.
From: scst130@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. G. Mura)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Serie B! Serie B!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:13:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Oh, yes, unfortunately Juventus has never been in Serie B, but dear Roberto,
don't worry, if it keeps going like this, sooner or later it will, be sure
it will.
And I'm just waiting for it...

MILAN IS FAR ABOVE (today and not in my childish memories :-) )

Giuseppe.
From: jrobert@lab7.smcm.edu (Jess Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: USSF F@#$ing IDIOTS!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:30:11 GMT

Explain to me, someone, please, why the USSF in it's infinite wisdom,  
 
scheduled the US-Denmark game for Super Bowl F@#$ing Sunday?  OK,, like there are that many Soccer fans in phoenix that are even going to go watch the US so they can get football highlights during the match?  Look, I bet that the USSF is going to cry and complain about coverage  
 
of the match.  Hey guys, even the Europeans, Asians, South Americans, Australians, and probably the Danes care more about the Super Bowl, then the 35 people that will be at Sun Devil Stadium.  Someone please help me out on this one, I'm just getting sick of defending my game in the US when they just screw it up like they do.  Any chance of getting UK citizenship, if you'll let me play for someone?

Jess
"Goalkeeping-the only way to fly"
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Coventry for the title
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:42:27 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK


Yep, the sky blues will beat Utd to the title. They just let them win 5-0
a few weeks ago to make them think they could get it!
Coventry beat Oldham 3-0 on Saturday and beat Balckburn 5-2 last night.
Quinn got another 2 goals in the last 5 minutes. John Williams also scored.
Blackburn took the lead as well!

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From: smurray@cs.strath.ac.uk (Stephen Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Uniteds' principles
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:12:26 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK

mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes
> [ deleted ]

Thanks to Graeme for putting forward a rational and constructive argument in
defense of Jim McLean. I agree that he has been given a raw deal by the press
(not on this occasion though) and esp. the SFA.

> I cannot
> condone some of the language which has been directed at myself during my time
> on the r.s.s. newsgroup.

That's more like it. Controversy. This was posted by someone who, on Jan 25th,
posted an article which contained (just for the record)

6 mentions of the f--- word (5 times in upper case)
2 mentions of the word p--s
2 mentions of the word b-----d
1 mention of the word s--te
1 mention of the word b--ger

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From: news@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Re: 1982 World Cup question
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:11:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.232942.9094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>The attacking frenchman in the collision was Lacombe

I say it was Battiston.
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Belgian League. results round 20.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 10:40:19 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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League round 20
Games played 22/1, 23/1 and 24/1.

Waregem		-	FC Luik		6 - 1
Kruzen(2)               Foguenne
Sunday(o.g.)
Vidmar(2)
Urban

Cercle Brugge	-	Beveren		1 - 4
Debuyser		Bogaerts(3)
			Soudan

Germinal Ekeren -	Charleroi
			Brogno
			Malbasa

Boom		-	FC Antwerp 	1 - 1
Smolders		Lehnhoff

KRC Genk	-	KV Mechelen	0 - 0

Standard Luik	-	Club Brugge	1 - 0
Lashaf

Lierse SK	-	Lommel		3 - 2
Rekdal(2)		Cannaerts
Pauwels			Haagdoren

AA Gent		-	RWDM		1 - 2
De Roover		Lorincz
			Van Ankeren

Anderlecht	-	Lokeren		2 - 0
Nilis(2)

Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht          20    34    48   17
Standard Luik       20    29    43   26
Waregem             20    25    53   27
KV Mechelen         20    24    32   22
AA Gent             20    23    33   24
RWDM                20    23    32   23
FC Antwerp          20    22    38   35
Charleroi           20    22    34   29
Club Brugge         20    22    23   19
Lierse SK           20    21    32   26
Beveren             20    21    25   26
KRC Genk            20    19    23   19
Cercle Brugge       20    17    42   47
FC Luik             20    17    27   44
Germinal Ekeren     20    13    31   43
Boom                20    11    31   64
Lokeren             20    10    19   38
Lommel              20     7    19   51


League Scorers (as per  25-01-93).
1. Weber (Cercle Brugge)       21 goals;

2. Kruzen (Waregem)            15 goals;
   A.Vidmar (Waregem)          15 goals;

4. Malbasa (Charleroi)         14 goals;

5. Nilis (Anderlecht)          13 goals;

6. Severeyns (Antwerp)         12 gaols;
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From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: Liverpool hate Man U fans ??
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:59:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.230243.24210@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rohanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Koduvayur Kri Chandran) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.105441.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>>Well as a life-long United supporter, I'm sure you're aware that United were
>>there more recently than the 50's.  Who really does belong there??? 
>>
>>Alan
> 
> Chelsea? :-)

I was waiting for that :-). Might be our best shot at a trophy as the div 2
(now 1) championship was the last thing we won :-).

Alan
From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Brescia - Milan  0 - 1
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:32:04 GMT
Reply-To: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

In article <1993Jan21.115001.11703@ghost.dsi.unimi.it>,
olori@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (daniele olori) writes:
> 
> 
> OK, we have lost. But playing a match in 10 against 11 for 83 minutes
is quite difficult for all, and if the other team is called Milan the
result is obvious.
> The thing that makes me angry is not the result (this year Milan won
13 match on 16 !), but the fact that Raducioiu have been send out after
7 minutes for a thing he didn't do!!! In fact a lineman said to the
referee that Radu said him "Testa di c...." (I>  don't know how to
report it in english, but it is like when a man has his head like his
attribute), but it's not true !!!
> Some witnesses reported that he said only "c...o".

It's completely stupid discussing what Raducioiu was saying on the basis
of 'misterious' witnesses. The only thing
that counts is what the referee was told from his lineman. The witnesses
always hear what they want, so that's
just bullshit. I remind you that in Roma - Milan, Baresi was sent off
after only 5' when he should have been awarded
a free kick. Unfortunately the referee made a mistake 9as we saw after
on TV). So, these things definitely happen,
and everybody has to accept them. next time Raducioiu will think more
before complaining for a stupid reason.

> On Tuesday the newspapers reported that: the linesman have been
suspended for 2 months, and in the future he will not perform in "Serie A".

Is this true??? I don't believe it!! He had very good eyes to see the
second goal from Massaro, but the
referee himself ignored his flag!

> And yesterday I knew that Raducioiu haven't been disqualified !!!!

well, sounds pretty surprising to me, but what the newspaper don't say is what
the referee exactly wrote in his report ...

> But the match won't be repeated .

Good for you !! It would be another opportunity to lose another time ...

> So Milan has 29 points and Brescia (magico!) only 14 .
> 
> 			       Is it correct    
> 				  for you ?


Perfect !!!!!


> 
> 
> 			      See you soon

Who knows! ...

> 
> 			      MiticoLogo
> 
> 
> 	

CIAO!
Antonio		       

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From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Subject: Re: EVERTON
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:06:39 GMT

: >     Everton for 1993-1994 League championship and F.A. Cup
: Without wishing to sound racist it has to my attention that I cannot
: ever recall seeing a black player play for Everton.
: Could anyone prove me wrong as this has been quite often discussed
: and an answer would be of great interest.
: Cheers

Well, the case is, that Everton has tried to buy black players, but have been
unable to do so. I think that Everton should buy one, just to quit this kind
of talk.

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Date: Thursday, 28 Jan 1993 13:27:16 CET
From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Satan news


It has been announced from the Devils Den that Graeme Dourmess
has given the famous boot room the old boot.
The place which plotted and planned the great Liverpool teams is
now to be replaced with talks on the training pitch instead.

Anyone got any nails for the coffin Graeme's building?

regards, Sean
From: paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is with Liverpool
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:39:17 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <C179Gs.D6v@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, ajackson@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ALAN MICHAEL JACKSON) writes:
> I would like Sun-ness to be given till the end of the season before a
> decision is made about his role as manager. (But I would get rid of him
> then).

Your parenthesised comment suggests that you've made the decision already, but
you simply wouldn't tell the blighter till the end of the season. That might
make more sense unless someone is already lined up to take over. Realistically
this season is a write-off (barring relegation which even Sewer-ness should be
able to prevent), so recruiting a new manager after the end of the season 
may be simpler, and the compensation to the present manager for terminating hs
contract a bit less.

Paul
From: jscosta@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Joseph Costa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Again about Milan
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:35:15 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond


  As a Milan fan, I can assure you that no offense was taken. Even I
am slightly taken aback by what Mr.Berlusconi has built at San Siro. I
have to admit, I am heartily enjoying the 51-match undefeated streak,
the (soon-to-be) back-to-back Serie A championships, and (hopefully) a
return to the (official) club championship of the world.
  BUT, two issues trouble me :

  (1) Milan's dominance, as Silvio testifies, could be doing serious
      harm to Italian football. Serie A has carried the banner as the
      world's premier football league -- perhaps the dominance of
      "Il maquina" will cause that to change.

  (2) To me, the worst thing happening here is that some really great,
      exciting players are being denied a chance to showcase their
      talents (and the fans denied a chance to thrill to their exploits)
      because of the logjam on the Milan bench. Any game that is played
      with Papin on the bench watching is a damned shame.

  I don't feel sorry for the other Serie A clubs -- as experience in
American sports has shown, glory secured with $$$ is generally fleeting,
and competitive balance will find a way to restore itself.

Joseph S. Costa, Jr.
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