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From: mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:35:14 GMT

In article <rlewis.712275993@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
>mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
>
>>In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>>>If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
>>>have a 15mph speed limit?
>
>>Bicycle paths are not safe they are safer.  

>Perhaps you could translate this for the rest of us.

Sorry I didn't mean to be unclear.  I meant safer than roads in most cases.
I think if given the choice I would rather be hit by another cyclist than
a car (BTW I _have_ been hit by another cyclist on a bike path).

>>A lot of cyclists do not have the
>>first clue about how to ride on a bike path.  

>That's becuase there is no way to ride properly or safely on a bike path.

Do you state this from experience?  Signaling turns and calling out before
passing is a start.

				Maria
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Behemoth
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:34:54 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul25.031549.23006@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22407LIZ@MSU writes:

>Hi, does anyone have an email address for Steven K. Roberts?  He's the guy who
>has the hi-tech bike (called Behemoth) complete with computer, modem, etc.
>I'd like to get in touch with him.  If anyone knows how, please email me
>privately as I am not subscribed to this list.  Thanks in advance.

 I don't have his address but as a side note, he was on the Phil Donahue Show
a few days ago. He was viewed as an extreme eccentric oddity by the audience
as well as by Phil D. but he held up well and expressed the essence of his
vision quite effectively. By the end of the show I think he earned the respect
of the audience.

 He does connect with the internet via his sattelite modem hookup as well as
ham radio, etc.


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From: mcr@csi.on.ca (Michael Richardson)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:50:22 GMT

  (gee, I'm not really sure I want to cross-post back to all those
groups... I'm deleting some of them)

In article <1992Jul28.124906.13822@dragon.acadiau.ca> 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:
>>from point A to point B, and when I'm walking, it's generally for 
>>recreation/moderate exercise.  With this in mind, I always try to walk 
>>*to one side* of the bike path so that cyclists do not have to slow down

  Which side though?
  If you walk on the right, then the cyclist has to `pass' you, or
wait if there is another on-coming cyclist. If you walk on the left,
cyclists coming at you have to change langes (which is probably
better, since you will see them, and see if they are paying attention)

>>where you can walk.  In Brittania, I'm always surprised to find people
>>walking on the (hard) paths when they could walk on nice soft grass in 
>>the park and enjoy better scenery at the same time.  Go figure.

  Yeah...

>is that the further east you get, the worse the path gets.  Try the
>parkway.  Except for the construction part (bicycles are not allowed there
>anyway), it is IMHO more relaxing than path traffic, and since it follows
>the river, you get mostly the same scenery.  I ride almost every day from 
>and have had no problems.

  The section where the pathway crosses the road away from the river
shore (from just west of Woodroff, to just west of Parkdale) is some
of the worst maintained bike paths around. When I was cycling to work
(downtown to Kanata --- I've stopped for awhile because I was
exhausting myself trying to beat my previous day's time...) I took the
parkway itself between those two points. Lots of nice buses to run one
over, and some house sized pot-holes, but at least there wasn't an
unavoidable crack across the road every ten feet.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jlance@dbaix.oc.com (Lance Jablonski)
Subject: Fighting Rust
Keywords: Alkeyhall
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:23:02 GMT

 Since I'm saving my dinero to buy a new bike, I can't afford to
buy all of those titanium nuts and bolts, therefore, to keep that
nasty old rust from making a home in the braze-ons, and various
others nooks and crannies, I use plain old rubbing alcohol and a
Q-Tip. Works wonders.  I also clean any paint chips I may have with         
alcohol prior to doing any touch-up work with the Testor's.

                                              Lance
jlance@dbaix.oc.com
OpenConnect Systems
Dallas, Texcess
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)
Subject: TDF climbs...
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:32:38 GMT

The following is a list of all climbs in this year's Tour de France which
are category 2 or harder.  I took this information from Velonews (21, 11)
using a magnifying glass and some guessing; the print is so small that I easily
could have made errors figuring this stuff out, so read it "avec un grain de
sel".

I listed the length of each climb in kilometers, the vertical gain in meters,
average grade in percent, and the finishing altitude in meters.  Climbs which 
had intermediate points shown on the Velonews map are broken down according to 
those points (with the name of the intermediate point in parentheses).

Unfortunately, a lot of these numbers don't really give a true feeling for the
climb since, for example, a climb could be 10% for 10km and then 2% for 10km
and I would list it as "6% for 20km" which completely loses the killer 10km 10%
section in the numbers.  But I thought it contained some useful information
nonetheless, so I decided to post it.

Oh, and as Bruce has pointed out to me several times, the category of a climb
will vary depending on where it is in a given stage; Bruce claims that Col des
Saisies (for example) would likely be category 1 instead of 2 if it came later
in the stage.


Stage	Climb		       Cat      Length	   Gain    Grade     Alt
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
1	Alto de Jaizkibel	2	  8.5	    460	    5.4	     460
2	Col d'Ispeguy		2	  9.0	    400	    4.4	     690
2	Col de Marie-Blanque	1	  9.0	    715	    7.9	    1035
11	Col des Bagenelles	2	 15.5	    605	    3.9	     915
11	Col de la Schlucht	2	 12.0	   ~500	    4.2	    1150
11	Grand Ballon		1	 15.5	   1030	    6.6	    1360
12	Cote d'Echalon		2	  7.5	    450     6.0	    1010
12	Le Saleve		1	  8.0	    695	    8.7	    1345
13	Col des Saisies		2	 11.0	    608	    5.5	    1633
13	Cormet de Roseland	1	 12.5       885	    7.1     1605
	  (Col de Meraillet)		  8.0	    363	    4.5	    1968    
13	Col de l'Iseran		HC	 18.5	    740	    4.0     1840
	  (Val d'Isere)			 17.0	    930	    5.5	    2770
13	Col du Mont Cenis	1	 10.5	    ***
13	Sestriere		1	 10.0	    360	    3.6	    1360
	  (Cesena Torinese)		 11.0	    670	    6.1	    2030
14	Col de Montgenevre	2	  7.5       510	    6.8	    1860
14	Col du Galibier		HC	 13.0       588	    4.5	    2058
          (Col du Lauteret)		  8.5	    582	    6.8	    2640
14	Croix de Fer		HC	  8.5       430	    5.1	    1000
	  (La Brevere)			 10.5	    390     3.7	    1390
	  (Saint Jean d'Arves)		 10.0       677     6.8     2067
14	L'Alpe d'Huez		HC	  5.0	    265	    5.3     1000
          (La Garde)			  5.5	    660    12.0	    1660
	  (Huez-En-Oisans)		  5.5	    200	    3.6	    1860
15	Col de la Croix-de-Cha. 2	 17.5	    690	    6.7     1200
16	Col de la Croix Morand	2	 10.5	    530	    5.0	    1400

*** The altitude shown for the Col du Mont Cenis (1746m) must be an error (?)
since it does not match the neighboring topology and would result in an absurdly
low grade for a first category climb.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Questions on Sew-ups
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:29:59 GMT

The question: how I replace a tube in a tubular with only a couple
of inches of sewing.  I have seen people make logical errors when
working on the stem in that they unstitch to both sides of the
stem.  This is unnecessary because one side will do to gain full
access.  What's worse is that this place is specially sewn to make
up for the stem opening and is a pain to sew.  When I noticed this
I also realized that putting a tube into a tubular presents a
similar circumstane.  Open the tire at the stem (to one side only)
and proceed as follows:

Cut the new tube about 2 inches from its stem and open the casing of
the tire to be re-tubed about 2 inches starting at the stem and to
one side.  Send a cord through the tire as you pull out the old tube
(if you can) or send the cord through using a small box-end wrench
as a "leader".  Tie a knot on the free end of the new tube, tie the
cord around the tube under the knot and pull it into place, talcum
helps.

When the tube is in place, splice the it by sticking the free end
into the other with about 1/2 to 3/4" overlap.  Using a small
implement like a pencil screwdriver, wipe rubber cement into the
interface.  I use Pastali rim glue for this because it is more
viscous.  Note that this cannot be done any other way because a
latex tube wrinkles and distorts when it comes in contact with
rubber glue.  The whole thing becomes a sticky tangled mess if you
try it by the "theoretical" methods often described.  You should
practice the splice on the old tube before you try it in situ.  It
is best to know what to expect in this maneuver.

Sew tire!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: RONEAL@lexmark.com
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:45:40 GMT

In article <42mmxk=.tomk@netcom.com>
tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
 
>
>Ahh, then there is the real weight of the bike. After you put a
>seat pack on your bike with a spare tube or two, a patch kit,
>a couple of allen wrenches, a spoke wrench and a chain breaker;
>a pump, a couple of water bottle cages and two large water bottles
>full of water, a cycle computer and anything else you might want to
>carry and your super light vs light bike looks a lot more like
>32 lb.s vs 36 lb.s.
 
I have to second this... even though from a big guy/all steel bike standpoint.
I just completed a 223 mile cross country trip to a family reunion (watch for
the ride report coming to a newsgroup near you!).  I started with my all-steel
Schwinn World at a whopping 29 lbs, then added tire pump, gel seat cover,
dual bottle carrier behind the seat, tools, spare parts, and a *very* sparse
selection of spare clothes and a bit of food.  Add three 28 oz. bottles and
my reasonably fit Schwinn weighed in over 50 lbs!  Unobtainium parts don't
just look weak in this light... they look plain stupid, especially in light
of my size (250 lbs).
 
Then again, if I was trim and racing and my bike cost more than my January
electric bill, I guess I'd be saving my lunch money for ultra-light stuff.
Guess it depends on your intentions for your bike.
 
One other angle on this... how much additional training do you suppose it
would require to overcome the additional weight of the non-titanium parts on
your bike?  I'd think that under most conditions some extra training would
go far in eliminating the weight penalty... just a thought.
 
 
Randy O'Neal  RONEAL@lexmark.com     Printer Attach Software Development
                                     Lexmark International, Inc.
-- Weinberg's Law --                 Lexington, Ky.
'If builders built buildings like
 programmers wrote programs, then                                     __o
 the first woodpecker that came      "The views above are not those  `\<,
 along would destroy civilization.'   of my employer... just mine."  O/ O
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Re: airplanes and bicycles
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:37:58 GMT


Just one question about this USCF membership and free bike transport
on airlines.  Some, or all airlines seem  to make the restriction
that you must be traveling to a USCF or similar race for your bike to 
travel for free.  

(1) Do they enforce this (do they ask?)
(2) If they do, how do I find out about possible races in the
    areas I'm traveling to?  I'm not plugged into any racing
    clubs or publications.

Karen Walrath
MIT
karen@mit.edu
From: wy0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William S. Young)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: tri-bike for sale
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:37:22 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hamilton Triathlon bike, 51cm, Dura Ace & Shimano 105, 24in wheels, triathlon
geometery, Look pedals $675/BO
Call Paul 216 687-2247 or 216 321-4381 ( after 5pm EST )
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:58:55 GMT

In article <m!pm+j.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>As for those narrow misses: I have thought about this alot. I notice
>that the biggest majority of these cases are women drivers. I'm certain
>that they don't fell any particular hatred for bicyclists.
>
>I think what's going on is that they _look_ at you in an attempt
>to miss you and just like they say -- look where you want to go.
>So they drive to miss you and _just_ manage to do so. If they would look
>at the centerline they would give you plenty of room.

yeah, but why are women drivers more prone to this?  are they checking out
our butts or something?
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trailors for Kids
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:34:43 GMT

Nanette Salvaggio writes:

> I have a 9 month old and would like to purchase a trailor to put him in...
> We were told it isn't a good idea until the child is one year old.
> I know my son would love it now.

I'm not sure what your transportation situation is but many of the trailers
used to haul infants in my area are primarily a demonstrative way of saying
"Baby on Board" as automotive people sometimes do with a yellow sign in the
window.  I think YOU will "love it now" more than your son but whether he
appreciates it or not is less the issue.

Those who do not use a car generally don't ask whether or not to get a
trailer since they usually have one already.  My comments are aimed at
whether you need a trailer to present your son to the public or are
augmenting your non-motorized vehicles.  There is a difference that is
often obvious to others that the parents are conspicuously parading around
town with their child.  Formerly this was done with an inordinately
lavish carriage with huge overlapping wheels, adjustable parasol of lace,
gauze netting and a commensurate wardrobe for the parents.  You might
consider this aspect lest you unwittingly play such a role.  I realize
that bicycling is currently in the "look at me" phase with its garish
apparel and neon colored equipment.  Only a thought...

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Son plans solo bike trip across country
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:37:54 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson) writes:
>Aside from stamps, how about putting some of them on pre-addressed
>envelopes?  Calling card (suggested by another poster) is a great
>idea.  Suggest he keep a log book so he can write about his
>adventures.  Point and shot 35mm cameras (also suggested by another)
>are a great idea.  Is there a way to have the developed film/prints
>sent directly to you so he won't be loaded down with extra weight?  He
>could use the photos with the log book to document the ride.

Kodak has, I believe, prepaid photo processing mailers -- just put on 
the home address, drop in the film, and mail.  Look for them at camera 
stores.  There are other mail-order processors (Clark Color Labs, York, 
etc.); I don't know if they offer *prepaid* mailers, but one could put 
a prewritten check or money order in the standard envelope.  

Karen Black
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:27:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul22.152730.3708
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 4063@nlm.nih.gov, berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman) writes:
>I've been told by my local bike shop that dawn detergent and regular 10w40
>motor oil are good for cleaning and lubricating the chain.  Agree or
>diagree?

My favorite of the moment is Simple Green and Specialized Dry lube.  I use the
Park chain cleaner that lets you clean the chain without taking it off the bike
(Vetta makes one too, I think).  The Dawn should be OK, but 10w40 is very thick
and heavy and will tend to attract dust and crap which will then act like
grinding compound on your drivetrain.

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ?? on world champ colors
Keywords: world championship
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:20:21 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton

In article <1992Jul22.192309.23023@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
ocavazos@lonestar.utsa.edu (Oscar S. Cavazos) writes:

>Here is a question that has been bothering me for some time.

>The current World Champion (road racing) is allowed to wear his
>rainbow colored jersey for the year in which he reigns.

>Question, was it my imagination or was G. Lemond wearing a rainbow
>colored collar on his Team Z jersey.

>It really looked like the World Champ's colors, so are their any rules
>for past winners of the Championship, i.e. do you get to wear a rainbow
>colored collar for some odd number of years?

Former world champions can wear the rainbow colors in the trim of their
clothing.

Bruce  -  jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:03:18 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


>As for Cippolini, his sprinting hopes were dashed after his leadout
>man Eros, whose surname escapes me (but gotta "love" that first name),
>crashed and abandoned due to injury on the Brussels stage. Besides,
>Mario never had a hope of making it through the Alps.

gazzetta dello sport has really unloaded on cippolini, they called his withdrawal
shameful and pronounced that by doing so he wiped out 15(!) wins he accumulated
since february. personally, i think that is too much. there has only been one mass
sprint finish so far.

zuelle is really riding his first professional season, and if he continues to
progress as he did this year, he'll be one of the top riders. he's way ahead of
schedule and, as been said, even entering him in the tour on the first year was
taking a chance of burning him out.

aaron
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wismer@cfruni51.bitnet (Wismer Daniel  Uni Fribourg)
Subject: Cannondale Prices ?
Organization: University of Fribourg - CH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:57:20 GMT


I am going to Boston and Chicago next week and would like to buy me
a bike there.
I am very interested in Cannondale R700 or R800.
Could someone tell me what they cost (suggested retail, best offer,
least expensive places)?  This is only a matter of price and not of
service or guarantee, I will take the bike back to Switzerland, so
after-sale service isn't of much use to me.

Please answer soon, as I will shutdown my computer on Wednesday.

Thank you

Dan Wismer	wismer@cfruni51.bitnet  (our unix machines 'IAUFx'
		can't receive mails, so this is the only to reach me)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: flat states (was Re: centuries)
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.143052.28367@slustl.slu.edu> guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.205845.10024@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:
>>>between there must be an elevation change :-)  Eastern Kansas is quite
>>>hilly and parts are still forested.  The Flint Hills are beautiful
>>>rolling hills in the central part of the state.  Now if you want to
>Try the book "Prairyerth" by William Heat Least-Moon for an exhaustive
>description of the Flint Hills. It will give you a rather different
>view of Kansas.
Before someone else corrects me that's Least Heat-Moon.
From: lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spontaneous blow-outs
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:43:22 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <9207290226.AA04577@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>Ron Larson writes:
>
>> The Velox rim tape is great.  I use to use a plastic rim tape but
>> discovered high pressure pushed it far enough into the spoke holes to
>> fracture the rim tape length wise and create a sharp edge on the tape
>> that actually sliced the tube.
>
>The plastic tape of which you speak must be Michelin yellow tape.

I intentionally did not name the tape.  Didn't want to restart the rim
tape discussion, unless there is interest in compiling a list of
experiences with all the products available.  I guess by not naming the
tape, I inadvertently smeared all plastic rim tapes.  Let's just say
the tape was yellow and I chose to go to Velox because I felt the
multi-directional weave of the fibers was less likely to fail than
unidirectional filaments in a plastic tape.  My local mail order house
(Colorado Cyclist) also no longer stocks plastic tape (at least the
yellow one) because of complaints of failures.

>I have had it crack lengthwise and have seen others with the same
>problem.  Cool Stop and Specialized tape works well with my rims.
>It is reusable and easy to lift off to give access to spoke nipples.
>I recommend it.  I find sticky tapes a pain to install and remove.

I found the Velox tape easy to install and rarely need to remove a tape
(I suppose I'll break a spoke on the way home tonight now...).  I did
find that when I installed the Velox tape I had to take care to make
the hole for the stem large enough for the stem to push through and
seat properly.  I didn't seat one stem well enough and the tire blewout
with a hole at the base of the stem caused by the stem pushing into the
tube.  When I replaced the tube (it could not be repaired), I enlarged
the hole in the rim tape and used a stem nut to be sure the stem was
well seated, then removed the rim nut.  > >jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

lars
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