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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:13:44 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com

In article <1992Dec30.191921.25801@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com  
(Ellison Chan) writes:
> In article <1hprfnINNgnk@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De  
Arras) writes:
> 
> >captain (Jobs) comes to his senses and allows other hardware to run the  
stuff.  
> I know that this is not in keeping with the thread, but I thought that 
> NeXT Step was being released for the Intel 486 machines.
> 

So I have also heard.  But it is well past the planned introduction date, and  
nowhere in sight.

> -- 
> Ellison Chan, Comp. Sys. Analyst               2350 Place TransCanadienne
> HNSX Supercomputers Inc., NEC Corp.        Dorval, Quebec, Canada H9P 2X5
> E-mail: ellison@SX.Mont.NEC.COM          (514)684-7705, FAX (514)684-8619

Jim

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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:30:09 GMT
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

In article <1992Dec24.055728.16243@crl.com> smg@orb.com (Samuel M.  
Goldberger) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.021222.7501@netcom.com> jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim  
Lynch)  

> > You must know that commercial posting is not permitted, yet here you  
are.
> 
> Sorry to offend, but I must differ. Shortly after this group was begun,  
Glenn  
> Reid of RightBrain posted a summer special; so did Dave Peter of HSD.  
Then I  
> did. And so have other developers.

They were wrong to do so, were flamed for it, and haven't
repeated the offense. It's a violation of the USENET
guidelines posted in the news.* groups.

However, one question is: what is the distinction between an
individual profiting from such sales and a business?
It's a hard one to answer.

Another question is: what is the balance between such
announcements being a service to the community and being
more blatant commercial exploitation of the net? Again, a
tough one to answer, although Andrew and I decided that
such "sales" announcements do not belong in the announce
group.  

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
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From: petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Julie Petersen)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Organization: Chicago IL
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:51:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.053009.6786@cs.yale.edu>, nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
(Nathan F. Janette) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec24.055728.16243@crl.com> smg@orb.com (Samuel M.  
> Goldberger) writes:
> > In article <1992Dec24.021222.7501@netcom.com> jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim  
> Lynch)  
> 
> > > You must know that commercial posting is not permitted, yet here you  
> are.
> > 
> > Sorry to offend, but I must differ. Shortly after this group was begun,  
> Glenn  
> > Reid of RightBrain posted a summer special; so did Dave Peter of HSD.  
> Then I  
> > did. And so have other developers.
> 
> They were wrong to do so, were flamed for it, and haven't
> repeated the offense. It's a violation of the USENET
> guidelines posted in the news.* groups.

Guidelines are just that, guidelines. And I would just like to voice
my opinion that in this case certainly no harm was done, and in fact
there were probably a number of people who were very glad to see the
announcement. The announcement was concise: not a huge catalog listing
(like you sometimes see in the rec.music.* heirarchy) and not a blatant
commercial full of sales hyperbole. I recognize why some people would
make an objection, and why such objections are probably necessary lest
a group like this become a useless bunch of competing advertisements,
but nonetheless in this case I think (i.e. IMO) Mr. Goldberger's
announcement was acceptable use.

Just my 2 cents -

__________________________________________________________________________
Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com

                If mercy's in business I wish it for you-        
             More than just ashes when your dreams come true.
From: tlc@cx5.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Mac & PC software to trade for NeXT prods.
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:26:55 GMT
Reply-To: tlc@cx5.com
Organization: CX5 (San Francisco)


We have a lot of Mac and PC software (mostly graphics, paint, 2D/3D, image  
processing, animation, some office productivity) that we would like to trade  
for NeXT software and/or hardware.

For example, the NeXT products we'ld be interested in include: RAM for  
NeXTcube, Illustrator, a database program (Stone Design's?, Teledia's?),  
Concurrence, Image, PasteUp, 3D or CAD; or color NeXTstation, NeXTdimension  
board, HSD color scanner (not kidding, some of the packages we have cost $3K  
new), hard drives, CD ROM drive...

Most of this stuff is latest versions. If you care to have a list, I can e-mail  
you one.

Hope a trade can make us both happy,
Thierry Castro
CX5 (San Francisco)
tlc@cx5.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Wanted: Long-Distance Cable for NeXTLaser
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:08:41 GMT

Hi:

I have been trying to get a long distance NeXTLaser printer cable.
Anything 15 feet and up would work, and we are really in need of
this seemingly-impossible commodity.

Please email me at the addresses listed below, if you can help.

Thanks and regards-
Joe

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Automation Librarian           joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu
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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:45:51 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com

In article <1992Dec27.020553.15912@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T.  
Abell) writes:
> The problem is differentiating Sam Goldberger's post from anything else in
> these groups. If it's OK for you to sell your used stuff here, it must be OK
> for Sam. Or perhaps these groups should all be shut down. After all, this
> hardly falls under the Internet purview of "research". But then, not much
> net news does. Should we dismantle the network?
> 

Is not the end result of research (gasp) products or services for sale?  We're  
still a capitalist society, last time I looked.  At least until Jan 17. :-)


> Steve abell@netcom.com

Jim (enjoying a short Vacation) De Arras, VP of Research and Development, 
Hand Held Products, Inc.

P.S., Don't worry, Nathan, I'll be buried back into (profit making) work after  
the first!

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Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 
804.784.3090 voice      | Held Products, Inc., and may not 
804.784.3147 FAX        | even be mine. Use at your own risk
From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Questions about Optical Disk Dust Filter
Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:22:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, grdetil@scrc.umanitoba.ca (Gilles Detillieux) says:

>Could someone let me know where the best place is to get dust filters for
>the NeXT Cube optical disk drive?
>
>Also, how often should they be replaced?  (Do they even need replacing, or
>are they supposed to last the life of the machine?)
>
>--
>Gilles Detillieux                       <Gilles@scrc.UManitoba.CA>
>Spinal Cord Research Centre             or <grdetil@gilles.scrc.UManitoba.CA>
>Dept. of Physiology, U. of Manitoba     Phone:  (204)788-6766
>Winnipeg, MB  R3E 0W3  (Canada)         Fax:    (204)786-0932
>

You should be able to get them straight from NeXT at 1-800-848-NeXT.

-- 
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"What would the world be like without Diet Coke?"
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From: ibernet!rode (Heinrich Rode)
Subject: NeXT-Station mono wanted
Organization: E & R
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:13:58 GMT

NeXT-Station mono wanted, with or without HD.

Please contact Andrea or Mathias Pruestel at

		813 - 526 - 5509 in St. Petersburg, Florida
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: '040 CPU board
Date: 31 Dec 1992 20:42:55 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com

A friend needs an '040 board to upgrade his '030 cube.

Please e-mail availability and price to: jmd@cube.handheld.com

Jim

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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re:  biz.next.whatever
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:11:37 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com

In article <1992Dec30.081313.26322@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1hred9INNpv1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
> (Lucas Wagner) writes:
> 
> > NeXTSTEP *IS* dying, and I don't think it is fair to utilize
> > yet another newsgroup.  
>
> There's so much misinformation in the above paragraph
> it's hard to decide where to start shoveling through it.
> [...]
> Next, would you care to support your rather inflamitory
> statement about the fate of NeXTstep as you see it, or are
> you just shouting that the sky is falling because it's
> the time of year for such drivel to be proclaimed in
> these groups?
> 
Well, as the official spokesman for Chicken Little [tm], I must say I tend to  
agree with Lucas.  The momentum is gone from NeXTSTEP, I don't quite understand  
why, but NeXT seems to have put the skids on a number of fronts.  NS-486, for  
example.  We all saw it running last year, yet it is not released one year  
later.  Unless Jobs has some new marketing trick up his sleave, he has doomed  
NeXTSTEP to an also-ran status.  Which I find very sad.  Remember, Beta was/is  
better than VHS.  But JVC out marketed Sony.  The best seldom wins, folks.
[...]
> 
> --
> Nathan Janette
> PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu
> 
> Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)

Jim

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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.074242.11117@crl.com> smg@orb.com (Samuel M.  
Goldberger) writes:

> To resolve this matter, henceforth I shall post brief
> notes here, with pointers   to the exiting
> biz.next.newproducts group, together with an
> invitation to send   email for more complete information.
> 
> I've enjoyed this discussion, and have been gratified by
> the expressions of   support, but I think an equable
> solution is at hand. Does this make sense?

Sounds reasonable to me.  Should we use just
biz.next.newprod, or should we go ahead with a call for
discussion for the creation of biz.next.marketplace?  I
think many vendors would use such a group,
especially if pointers to it where in the FAQ and
posted in this group on a regular basis. 

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)

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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:05:56 GMT

In article <sgold.725444777@well.sf.ca.us> sgold@well.sf.ca.us (Sam  
Goldberger) writes:

> 1) The very title of the group ("marketplace") specifically
> connotes commercial activity, since that is what goes on
> in a marketplace. Following Jim's login, this group
> ought to be disbanded, or at least renamed. Do we want this?

The title "marketplace" does not imply any commercial
connotation whatsoever.  It is a USENET naming scheme for
a group in which individuals post "for sale" items.

USENET does in fact have groups that are specifically
designated for business "for-profit" usage: the
biz.* groups.

The correct solution to this problem IMHO would be for Sam
and other commercial vendors to post to
biz.next.marketplace or somesuch group, and make the
existence of traffic in that group known to the readers of
the csn groups. 

Sam's post was important, but it would have been better
placed in those biz.next.* groups.

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Re: Questions about Optical Disk Dust Filter
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:19:21 GMT

Net,

Sam is right.  I use the second technique and it works just fine.
As for the frequency of cleaning.  I have been using the
'Bionaire' mesh for 9 months now (Sam, say so if I am wrong)
and have only cleaned them 2 times.  They do get dirty, but hey
that is the point rather than the machine.  As for the heat
problem, I live at 9,500 feet and it is really cold here, -30
in the morning.  So heat is not a problem here.

Todd

-----------------
In article <1992Dec23.084337.17923@crl.com> smg@orb.com (Samuel M. Goldberger)  
writes:
> In article <BzMp8t.5n9@ccu.umanitoba.ca> grdetil@scrc.umanitoba.ca (Gilles  
> Detillieux) writes:
> > Could someone let me know where the best place is to get dust filters for
> > the NeXT Cube optical disk drive?
> > 
> > Also, how often should they be replaced?  (Do they even need replacing, or
> > are they supposed to last the life of the machine?)
> 
> We should probably move this thread into c.s.n.hardware; but before we do,  
let  
> me suggest:
> 
> 	1) The best (and only) place to get an official optical drive filter
> 	   is from NeXT itself. I generally call:  510-438-4332. The service
> 	   person who answers (or whose voice mail you will get) is quite 
> 	   knowledgable, and will return phone calls.
> 
> 	2) There is plastic mesh filter material made for "Bionaire" air
> 	   cleaners that is generally available from your local "green"
> 	   store (or large department store). In my TurboCube, I've cut
> 	   a piece of this material slightly larger than the fan, and 
> 	   using a rubber band, attached it to the back (i.e. interior)
> 	   side of the fan. This works very well, except that you *must*
> 	   remember to take it out and wash it once a month or so. The
> 	   reason is that as the filter becomes clogged with dust, it
> 	   begins to restrict airflow, causing the entire machine to
> 	   overhead, rather than just the optical drive.
> 
> 	   With this caveat, the above works very well, and also protects your
> 	   floppy drive.
> --
> Samuel M. Goldberger	smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK
> Spherical Solutions, 	47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA  94941
> 415.383.7512--voice     415.381.9556--fax
-- 
--
Todd Nathan			Voice: (303) 484-7607 (w)
Liveware Corporation		Email: <todd@liveware.com>
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:15:18 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1992Dec31.074242.11117@crl.com> smg@orb.com
(Samuel M.  Goldberger) writes:

>To resolve this matter, henceforth I shall post brief notes
>here, with pointers to the exiting biz.next.newproducts
>group, together with an invitation to send email for more
>complete information.

biz.next.newprod (not newproducts).

>I've enjoyed this discussion, and have been gratified by
>the expressions of support, but I think an equable solution
>is at hand.  Does this make sense?

Yes it does, to me.

-- 
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.marketplace:1523 misc.forsale.computers:44336
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:43:32 GMT

nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> smg@orb.com (Samuel M. Goldberger) writes:
> > jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)  
> 
> > > You must know that commercial posting is not permitted, yet here
> > > you are.
> > 
> > Sorry to offend, but I must differ. Shortly after this group was
> > begun, Glenn Reid of RightBrain posted a summer special; so did
> > Dave Peter of HSD.  Then I did. And so have other developers.
> 
> They were wrong to do so, were flamed for it, and haven't
> repeated the offense. It's a violation of the USENET
> guidelines posted in the news.* groups.

My memory might be a bit foggy on this (holiday celebrations and all), but I  
seem to remember flaming them for the size of the post.  It was the huge RTF  
posts which seemed more like ads out of NeXTworld than the fact that the  
posts were commercial in nature.

I'm also not too keen on multiple posts, where people (companies) repost  
everything they sell simply because they have a special with $5 off or  
something.

> However, one question is: what is the distinction between an
> individual profiting from such sales and a business?
> It's a hard one to answer.

Indeed.

> Another question is: what is the balance between such
> announcements being a service to the community and being
> more blatant commercial exploitation of the net? Again, a
> tough one to answer, although Andrew and I decided that
> such "sales" announcements do not belong in the announce
> group.  

While it's hard to come up with a clear definition, a somewhat vague  
definition (which works for me) is that a post includes "just enough"  
information and no marketting fluff.  Pointers on how to get more detailed  
info, or on how to get elaborate RTF ads are welcome, just as long at the  
usenet article itself is "reasonably" small.  Also, the frequency of posting  
on any one "sales item" is a factor.

I realize there's enough grey area there to paint a battleship...

I guess one additional question is whether we should be debating this here  
(in marketplace), or over in advocacy.  Seems to me it should be in  
advocacy, but I don't feel all that strongly about it at the moment.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: Mark Konkol <mark@sundew.demon.co.uk>
Subject: hifi sampler wanted
Reply-To: mark@sundew.demon.co.uk
Organization: just me
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:51:10 GMT

I'd like to buy someone's Digital Ears (or something similar).

If you know of a DIY circuit for this, I'd very much like to know about  
it, too.

Thanks,

rmk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: pongo!george (George Smith)
Subject: Mathematica 2.0 for sale
Keywords: mathematica wolfram
Reply-To: george@oceanlaw
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:50:35 GMT



Hello,

I have a copy of Mathematica 2.0 to sell for $200. If interested please
send me email, as I don't read this newsgroup very often.

Thanks, george
george@oceanlaw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: Re: NeXT Software/Hardware For Sale/Swap
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:46:40 PST

For Sale: 9 months old Old Style Starting Point  Kit, consisting of (non-Unix)
Keyboard and Mouse. Perfect as a spare against wear. $75. (New Cost: $170.)


For Sale:  Communicae Dial-up Software  and Terminal  Emulator (includes VT220
and Tektronix Tek4014  emulation)---worse  than Microphone on programmability,
better on terminal features. Latest version.  New  Price: $350-$400. For Sale:
$175.

For Sale: "BugByte" License. $80. (may not work under 3.0).

For Sale: RightBrain Portfolio. $30obo. New Price: ??

For Sale: @@TopDraw@@  Old Version 1.0d. The  owner should upgrade  to the new
version. $50.


Am willing to  switch for: ZyXel  modem, White Pine eXodus, Canon  portable
ink-jet  printer,  SafetyNet, HP Deskjet;   or even interesting  Adobe text
fonts (especially TeX replacement), Mapart, Void, Math++, Eiffel, ...

/ivo
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:39:35 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com

Folks, this is all crazy!  Do we simply want to stomp NeXT out of existance  
over semantic arguments?  

Wake-up!  We are struggling to keep afloat a sinking ship (NeXTSTEP) until the  
captain (Jobs) comes to his senses and allows other hardware to run the stuff.  
Vendors are droping NeXT like the lead sinker it's becoming.  Let's not do  
anything to increase the sink rate.

ANYONE willing to sell ANYTHING that supports NeXT at this point CANNOT be  
considered a big, leaching, corperation, but instead must be a loyal, perhaps  
blind to reality, supporter.

LAY OFF.

Jim

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804.784.3090 voice      | Held Products, Inc., and may not 
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From: alexhart@nic.cerf.net (Alex Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Want to buy Next Printer
Date: 25 Dec 1992 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

 want to purchase a NeXT printer to use with my newly bought '30 cube.
If you have such a printer, I am willing to pay up to $950.00 for it.
Please send email.
Thanks!
-- 
Alex Hartley and Associates
1138 S. Hayworth Avenue
Los Angeles, California 90035-2604
(213)937-8718
From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re:  biz.next.whatever
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:15:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Ok...  I've been flamed for an opinion I didn't flame. 

I'll keep my mouth shut on this one.  :)

Lucas
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