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Subject:      Re: Lethal Weapon and Tom Clancy as substitutes

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     18-Aug-1992 01:55pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Re: Lethal Weapon and Tom Clancy as substitutes

IMVHO nothing can replace James Bond.  I did not start watching 007 until about
10 years ago and I am thoroughly hooked.  I've seen these movies many times
since then and I am still fascinated by the humor, wit and inuendo (seems like
something that would appeal to you too, scott huddle).  With all due respect to
Tom Clancy and LW - I think the Bond movies are very different from the
previously mentioned, they use parody and a more sophisticated humor and to me
are infinitely more interesting.  Again, my most humble opinion.

Ellen
Penn State
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:36:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Woody's woody, & the cabana
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Mike from MSU asks for recommendations for a distraction from the Repub-
ican convention and Le Affair Woodie - For my money it's Fred Astaire in
THE BANDWAGON.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:05:24 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Woody's woody, & the cabana boy

      Hmmm.... would it be better or worse if Woody was seeking a
scene with Matt Dillon dressed as a cabana boy?

I guess it's pretty obvious that any problems he has stem from his
misunderstanding of Joyce and Faulkner.  But then, you all knew that, right?

Wait, if she's 21, and she isn't a blood relative... this isn't necessarily
a relationship one can condemn, is it?  Consenting adults, breaking up with
Mia, so it isn't cheating, sort of...

Just a sec, lemme get the flame shield up.  Okay.

Rick Francis
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From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Sorry, not cinema related
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Rick says that 78% of the Fortune 500 CEOs will be voting for Bush.  Does that
mean that if any of the REST of us would like to someday BE a Fortune 500 CEO
we need to vote for Clinton?
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From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Raising Cain

Saw this one and it was (ho-hum) o.k.  Make sure to check
it out as a matinee, or better yet wait till it comes out
on video.  (No nifty special effects, awesome scenery, or
anything else that requires the BIG SCREEN.)  Lithgow is
very good, everybody else is pretty much like soggy cornflakes.

********** POTENTIAL SPOILER AHEAD ************************









The neat thing about the movie was the parallel process that
was going on throughout.  That is to say, the story is about
a man running wild as the result of multiple personalities.
Simultaneously, the movie is giving you different possiblities
of what is actually taking place.  And finally the ending given
leaves you completely in the dark, which at first pissed me off,
until I realized that you can discuss many possible different
endings, which parallels the notion of the many personalities.

Anyway, for what it is worth

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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From:         "DORIS--RM. 3876--X-3151" <CHAPPELLE@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      RUTGER HAUER
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Got a question.  What was the name of the movie Rutger Hauer was in before
 "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer"?  It came out earlier this year; I think he is a
 bounty
hunter from the future?  I'm a fan of his but missed this movie.  Would like to
see it on video when it comes out.

Doris
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:33:04 CDT
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Subject:      Prince of Tides

Well I watched this one last night and I HATED it.
IMHO it should have been titled Prince of Darkness for
the huge lie it told;  namely, sex between the client and therapist
is helpful for the client.  Yah, Yah I know #1 it is just a
movie.  Well, I still hated it.  Yah, Yah I know #2 Tom was
not technically Streisand's client.  Well if anybody wants to
try and convince me that Steisand WAS NOT practicing psychotherapy
on this guy, good luck.

****** MORE SOAPBOX AHEAD PROCEED WITH CAUTION **********
**************** WITH SPOILERS **************************


So I'm supposed to believe that Tom's life is all put together
at end like a neat little Christmas present?!?  That because
of his enlightening experience with Streisand that he and his wife
are closer?!?  The thing that killed me about this movie is that it
has so many great touches to it, so much realism;  and yet the
overall picture was so out of touch with any reality that I have
ever seen.

And Streisand's character...unreal...talk about unprofessionalism.

She's at a client's party.  She has Tom coach her boy.  The relationship
with Tom.  Has anybody ever heard of the problems with dual relationships?

Well folks I don't want to bore you.  By now you can obviously see
how I felt about the movie.  If you enjoyed it (like my wife) more
power to you.  If anybody wants to pursue this further, I'ld be
be please to read from you;  otherwise, I am now stepping off
the soapbox.

Sincerely

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Subject:      Re: Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison and Stuff

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Subject: RE: Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison and Stuff

Does that mean Harlan Ellison didn't cash the check?
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:20:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Waynes World

Really had a great time watching this one.  I am a bit surprised that no one
has mentioned this (or maybe they have and I missed it) with regard to:
--talking to the camera
--watching the credits and added scenes after/during the credits
--parodies of other films/commercials
These have been the predominant subjects of late.
This was the first time I saw it and found it hilarious!
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:32:00 EDT
From:         DOLANMA@HUGSE2.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 007 question

I've heard that Broccoli denies these rumors re: shopping rights to the Bond
story/name around.  I don't know if another film is in the works per se, but
I do recall having seen a report on this on Entertainment Tonight recently.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:56:31 EDT
From:         Pam Tyrrell <AVFILM3@WATDCS.UWATERLOO.CA>
Subject:      Re: viewer survey/Lethal Weapon 3

On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:17:33 BST Kerr Avon said:
>>From: Sandra Ballasch <CADSANTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
>>
>>In regards to people leaving during the credits.
>>
>>Not only do they prevent you from reading the credits (which I
>>like to do - a great benefit of videos, by the way) but in the
>>case of Lethal Weapon 3 they and you may miss anything the
>>director decided to put after the credits.  The first time I
>>saw the movie I left because I couldn't see anything anyway
>>and when I went again I found that there was a small scene tacked
>>on after the credits finished. It may not have been essential, but
>>I certainly enjoyed it when I finally got a chance to see it.
>
>Really?  Rats.  I saw a preview of _LW3_ over here on Saturday night,
>but everyone always leaves, and I start to feel self-conscious if
>the theatre's almost empty and the attendants are waiting for you to
>leave.  What was the extra scene, then?
>
>What other movies have stuff going on during or after the credits?
>Two that come to my mind:-
>	_Gremlins 2_ : Bugs and Daffy etc appear while the credits are
>			rolling.
>	_Wayne's World_: Wayne and Garth wonder what they should do while
>			 the credits are rolling.
>
>The _Airplane!_ (and other ZAZ) movies have jokes in the credits, as
>do Monty Python movies.
>			   Liam.
>			   ====-
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>                                   *   any chance, may I ask?"
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:23:42 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Raising Cain
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>From: C444307 <C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
>
>Saw this one and it was (ho-hum) o.k.  Make sure to check
>it out as a matinee, or better yet wait till it comes out
>on video.  (No nifty special effects, awesome scenery, or
>anything else that requires the BIG SCREEN.)  Lithgow is
>very good, everybody else is pretty much like soggy cornflakes.

Just a thought:  Surely if a movie is worth seeing at all, it is
worth seeing on the big screen.  Just because it doesn't "require"
the large screen, that doesn't mean that it will be equally good
on the small screen.

Personally, I'd rather see any film on the big screen, as it was
meant to be seen (and heard).

Of course, it's not always possible to see every movie you want to
see, and video is a convenient way of catching up.  However, it
really doesn't compare.
			  Liam.
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From: DORIVAL@BRFUEL.BITNET (Dorival)
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Just a question...

   Anybody know about Spider-Man Movie. I saw a few coments here..

                  Please let me know.

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:58:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Woody Allen in the news
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I am mentioning the following not as gossip but for conjecture as to how
this news will affect Woody Allen's work:

My wife read me a short article from the Bershire Eagle (our local morning
paper) whcih says that Woody Allen is sueing Mia Farrow for custody of
three of their children (two by adoption plus Stachel) - When asked if this
means that the relationship between Allen and Farrow is over, as spokesperson
for Allen said that his personal life is not open for discussion - Without
discussing his personal life I wonder what sort of film Woody Allen will
start making without Farrow - I think that collaboration has produced some
of the best Amercian films of the past twenty years.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:19:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Woody's woody, & the cabana

Peter..
Well said! Couldn't agree with you more!  Speaking of movies, I've only seen
-WAYNE'S WORLD- and -TERMINATOR 2- recently.  Do you have any recommendations?
Mike
MSU.
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Subject:      donkey crap

The "crap" refered to is, I think, an attitude behind certain
posting which has the subtext "We're all good people here so
obviously we're all going to vote for slick willie. Anyone who isn't
is either stupid or evil anyway". Doesn't it disturb you that, given
Hilarys' fine credential as a man hater, Chelsea, Slick Willies' one
child, is almost surely a turkey baster baby? Do you seriusly mean
to tell me that the fact that "subtext" is an anagram for "butt sex"
is just an accident? Think about it.
                     Love and Kisses,
                          John LaTourette
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:35:00 EDT
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: literary adaption

> Maybe the strangest literary adaption I've come across is DR. STRANGELOVE -
> Started as a novel RED ALERT by Peter George - Then Peter George, Terry
> Southern, and Stanly Kubrick do the screenplay - finally, Peter George
> re-writes the screenpaly as a new novel (which I'm now reading and is your
> standard "novelization" - Has anybody ever read RED ALERT - I'd be curious
> to compare the two versions.

I remember some complaints around the time the film was released that
the book had disappeared in the adaptation.  It was apparently a
"Fail-Safe" type thriller of a sort that was popular back in those Cold
War, backyard fallout shelter days.  I feel safe in assuming that there
was no reference to a mineshaft gap :-).

Who published the novelization?  Is it still in print?  I also would
be interested in reading both, and in your comments about them.

Best,
Peter
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:21:58 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mexican Films
              17 Aug 1992 22:27:00 +0200 from <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>

Regarding Sobrevivientes de los Andes, the interesting thing is that
(and I think I saw this in our previews list) an American production of
the same incident is in planning.  Can't wait to see the cast!
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:38:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Waynes World again...

Forgot one element of WW that has also been the topic of recent discussion on
the list.  That is the subject of -multiple endings-.
If you haven't seen WW and you want to see examples of all four (is there
more)of these elements that I have mentioned then run, don't walk to your
nearest video rental outlet!
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:42:00 CDT
From:         Jan Levine Thal / JHR / 262-4867 <THAL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Barbet Schroder filmography

Scott.  Thanks for the Shroeder filmography.  I've seen them all but More and
can't yet come up with a common thread.  Maybe I'll go rent Reversal of Fortune
and look at the Newport mansions and contemplate why I find politics, especially
class issues, always relevant.
Jan
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:40:43 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Grifters, Chinatown, etc.

Rick,
I forgot to ask this in my other post.
Could you give me a synopsis of Chinatown and how it handled
incest.
--Anjani
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:16:59 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick
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Anyone know the old joke (where you take your date to the SF section
and point out _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ and ask ....


are you a big Dick fan?)

my apologies

-scott
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:36:00 EDT
From:         David M Stein <STEIN@LTUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison and Stuff

Philip K. Dick wrote the novella, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", which
was turned in "Bladerunner".  The core of the story is in the movie, but
greatly expanded.  Without going into details, a couple of the major
revelations of the story have been placed back into the film, I understand, in
the new Director's Cut of "Bladerunner"

Dick also wrote "We Can Remember For You Wholesale", a short story that "Total
Recall" is based.  Althought, in the short, the main character, the one played
by Arnie, is discribed as a small, workman kinda guy.. the last guy on Earth
you'd suspect of being an agent.  In an earlier incarnation of the movie, David
Cronenberg wanted to cast Richard Dreyfuss as the main character.  It would
have been more interesting to have someone like Dreyfuss suddenly be able to
wipe out 5 armed gunmen and such.

I had a chance several years ago to sit and talk to Harlan Ellison away from
the hussle and bussle of an SF convention.  Away from the limelight, Harlan is
a very witty and interesting guy to talk to.  I asked him which work he was
most dissappointed in and said all his television work.  He said that TV just
grinds up everything it gets its hands on and strains it through a fine mesh,
filtering out everything that doesn't fit it's mold.

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From: AL282897@VMTECSLP.BITNET (Ricardo Noyola Picazzo)
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Date: 14 Aug 92 20:04:50 GMT
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              13 Aug 1992 19:10:00 +0200 from <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>

And what about _Days of Thunder_, _Blow whit the Wind_, _Superman_,
and _Rocky_.

 Ricardo.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:54:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      RUTGER HAUER

Doris...
I too am a fan of Rutger Hauer.  I'm trying desperately to remember the film
you are asking about.  I think it has Joan Chen (TWIN PEAKS) costarring.  Have
you seen -DEADLOCK- or -ESCAPE FROM SOBRIBOR (sp?)-. These are two other
recent Rutger Hauer outings.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:28:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Star Trek VI film/video diff

Liam...
I've always said that ST was at the cutting edge.  No pun intended!
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:41:34 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mexican--and Cuban--Films
              18 Aug 1992 10:06:59 -0500 from <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>

Currie--Don't worry about issuing disclaimers.  I've enjoyed various Cuban
films over the years and doubt any of my friends would picture me as a
socialist revolutionary.  Though early Castro regime filmmaking was
intended to have a "message", nowdays it is not so evident.  The Cuban
state film production company discovered no one wanted to see their
movies so they started giving people what they wanted.  On the other hand,
Lucia and La ultima cena (The Last Supper) are my two favorite Cuban films
which do have some weighty ideology going for them.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:59:49 PDT
From:         CSM Julian Sominka <jsominka@CSM.AC.UK>
Subject:      A technical question.

I've noticed recently on some music videos and adverts
(I can't recall any film examples though), where either
the scene is shot in black and white and one item is in
colour or vice versa (e.g. A woman is dancing with a man,
the woman is in colour and the man is in black and white).
(It doesn't look like two shots have been superimposed to
create the effect.)

I can't figure out how this is done and neither can a
friend who studied Photography, Film and TV at college.
Does anyone know?

Julian
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:35:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mexican Films

Gayle...
I think you are right.  It is called -ALIVE-.  Based on a book which is based
on a real life airplane crash involving a South American soccer team.  If
memory serves there has been several other "crash-do-anything-to-survive" type
movies.  Can't remember a single title.  Anyone else?
Mike
MSU.