From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Canada apartheid
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:30:54 GMT

In article <Bw2rJ4.Kwo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman) writes:
>Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote:
>: Michael wrote:
>: >Manning has directed his fine mind towards reinforcing people's
>: >grievances and channelling the blame for those grievances towards a
>: >source of his own choosing, all the while conveniently offering weak or
>: >even incorrect reasons for linking the two (the grievance vs. the
>: >source).
>: >
>: >Hitler also had that very same magical gift.
>: >Hitler was a _very_ smart man too.
>: >
>: 
>: The people in this debate who are arguing for the ideas Hitler's
>: espoused, of collective rights and a collective soul expressed through
>: executive power are the YES side...
>: ...thousands of Canadians and Quebeckers died defeating
>: the evil ideas of tribalism and nationalism espoused by Hitler
>: and Canadians and Quebeckers can do it again, with a lot less
>: bloodshed by voting NO on October 26.
>
>Nobody here is arguing for Hitler. We also strongly disagree with your
>histerical rantings about how all of the supporters of the deal are evil,
>Hitler supporters, and all around bad people. What nonsense. You see
>intolerance where you want, ignore it where you'd rather not see it. I didn't
>hear you mention anything about how tolerant and peaceful COR is?
>

I didn't bring up Hitler, a YES supporter, Michael did...and it was
necessary to refute his incorrect assertion as to how Hitler would vote
in this election.

I have said many times in this forum that I support official
bilingualism.

>: 
>: Manning is an advocate of a Triple-E Senate, of the ability
>: of citizens to recall their representatives, of the selective
>: use of referenda, all which take power away from the executive
>: political leadership.  Manning's rallying cry is "The West wants
>: In", and not "The West wants out"...he's not blaming or scapegoating
>: easterners for western alienation, but arguing in a reasoned manner
>: that it is because of institutional problems, and if we correct 
>: the problems in Canadian institutions, the West will be able to
>: become and feel like full and equal partners in Canada.
>
>: 
>: The people with Hitler-esque ambitions are the premiers...for
>: Hitler-esque ideology is written all over Charlottetown in its
>: collectivist ideology, and the concentration of power by the first
>: ministers at the expense of the legislatures.
>
>Its pretty easy to confuse the issues by calling something "Nazi" isn't it? I
>mean, you just say that, and everybody ignores the fact that what follows is
>just some opinion of yours, and not held by the general population. Find some
>proof that Bob Rae idolises Hitler. If you can. Any premier for that matter.
>You keep going on about how the premiers are only doing this for their own
>personal gain (there is no personal gain for any of them, how could there
>be?), how they do this for power. Its not going to change the fact that any
>premier can become unelected in a hurry, is it? Of course not. You're
>clouding the issues.
>

Tell your YES friends not to bring Hitler up, and then I won't have to
talk about the fact that Charlottetown Accord embraces the same
philosophical principles that are also at the foundation of National
Socialism.

>: 
>: And which side has come up with the slogan "the enemies of Canada",
>: and promises millenial prosperity with a YES vote, and a hellish
>: doom with a NO vote...which side has said Canada will become Beirut
>: or Yugoslavia.   
>
>Both sides. You call all of us YES supporters enemies of Canada. I could
>quote Bill Clinton about you being wrong to question my patriotism. You may
>think me misguided, that is your right to be incorrect, but you can't
>honestly say that I am not in favour of a better Canada.
>

Where have I called the YES supporters the enemies of Canada?

>: 
>: Manning's rhetoric is calm and reasoned...you need not agree with
>: all of his arguments or policies, I don't, but there are much better
>: candidates for demagogues in the country than him.         
>: 
>
>Unfortunately, his rhetoric is based on false presumptions, incorrect facts,
>and ideology I don't believe in.
>
>--
>Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca

Gerald
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