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From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Mweene's Anti-Semitism
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:50:16 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>In <1993Jan12.154943.2877@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>: In article (Bill Ross) writes:
>>: >        Robert D. Kaplan , _New Republic_, Dec 28 1992
>>:   Please desist from quoting this ill informed racist Jewish magazine here.
>>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>How does saying a magazine is racist and then noting the ethnic focus of
>the magazine make one a bigot???.  If there was a racist White South African
>magazine (I am sure Gavan calls them normal reading material), and I
>called it such would that make me a bigot??.

How? It depends on the context in which it is said and by whom.
The context is that Paul Mweene is an unrepentant, overt
racist: his statements against whites, Arabs, and Indians are 
of public record. He uses 'Jewish' as an adjective in the same
way that Eugene Terre'Blanche does (as in "Judge Gabriel [referring to
Goldstone], FW's little Jew"), and in exactly the same way
that Nazis did (as in "Physics is a Jewish science").

The only reasonable way for 'Jewish' to be used in this context if
'New Republic' _were_ Jewish in the sense that "The Jewish Chronicle"
or a religious/cultural magazine, or even The Jerusalem Post etc
is Jewish. I haven't read "New Republic" (and if this is the quality
of their articles, I am not going to rush out and buy a subscription
either), but I don't believe that New Republic has an ethnic focus
of any sort: it is just a magazine (obviously not of a high quality)
which deals with contemporary issues.


If you were to call Die Patriot (CP mouthpiece) a racist White
newspaper it would be different because there is a factual basis
for it, and you would be using the words for their descriptive
purposes. If you were to refer to a publication of one of the
extremist Zionist parties in Israel as a racist Jewish magazine
the same thing would  apply. Here, where Mr Mweene used the word,
"Jewish" is irrelvant, and he is clearly using it as a perjorative
word.

But, if he didn't, and I misunderstood, he has the opportunity
to explain to us, what he meant. Otherwise, we add Jews 
to Mr Mweene's list of prejudices which is
now fairly long: Arabs, gays, Indians, Jews, whites.



Scott


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From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: To disarm or not to disarm Somalis
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:17:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

The way the US is operating in Somalia, it seems like they went there
with no clear policy on what it was they were going to do...

First, they claim they are going to try and restore order - which in 
their definition seemed to imply that just by landing in Mogadishu,
they were going to get the warlords so frightened that they were not
going to want to cause anymore trouble; then when almost everyone
was saying one of the key things they needed to do was to disarm the
populace, they said, "No, we didn't come here to disarm anybody"... Now
we see them doing exactly that...

It sounds just like the US...when people were calling for some kind of
action to save the Somalis from starvation, the US kept citing violence
as an excuse not to go there and help, only to "surprise" everyone later
by sending the marines...

I just hope they will target all armed groups, not just arms bazaars and
those warlords who fire at them occassionally...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:17:38 GMT

In article <C0CpCw.Cyr@ns1.nodak.edu> varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) writes:
>In article <C02vLs.3qu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
>(kauta) writes:
>
>The usual flames and counterflames
     ^^^^^???
Whom was I flaming/counterflaming?? And why don't you mention his/her name??

>>kauta - back on the block.
>
>It is nice to know that you are alive and well, and that you are physically
>in good health.  I hope that you are in good spirits in this coming year.
>May good spirits come to your house someday.

I wish you good health and all. And (need I add??) all the stuff below:

>12 pack of Bud,
>11 wrasslin' tickets,
>tin of Copenhagen,
>9 years probation,
>8 table dancers,
>7 packs of Red Man,
>6 cans of Spam,
>5 flannel shirts,
>4 mud-grip tires,
>3 shot-gun shells,
>2 hunting dogs,
>and some parts to a Mustang GT.

[List compiled by Ned Danieley on r.h.f]

PEACE.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:13:12 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Friends!
	<C07Fxv.Hut@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

Freinds,

.

               I would like to know if there are underground oil
reserves in Somalia. This is very important to me and I really would
like this information.
Thank you!

      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: cole@advtech.uswest.com ( Cole Keirsey)
Subject: looking for Ghanian internet contacts
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:14:27 GMT

hi
  My name is kpakpo Acquaye.  I'd like to get in touch with any ghanaian
students and any email users in ghana.  I could be reached at
 cole@maverick.uswest.com

-- 
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cole@maverick.uswest.com      |  And give it to the ones who think it
                              |      all ends here." -- Bruce Cockburn
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Federalism (was Re: CAMEROON:....)
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:34:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan8.123801.18732@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>Rather I have misgivings about it.
>I do support power-sharing and consociation (in some form). I
>do not support "winner takes all" systems in ethnically
>divided societies, including Cameroon. The merits of federation
>in this scheme depend on the correlation between geography 
>and ethnicity. In SA this is not very great, except intra-black,
>which is the strongest argument in its favour. 
>Gavan Tredoux
>UCT  



well, the concept of power sharing is not entirely oprobrius if the power is
apportioned proportionate the numerical strengths of the concerned factions...





makala


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid)
Subject: Re: Money matters in Mali, Niger,Togo, etc
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:18:23 GMT

Michael W. Sheib <MS7136A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>The CFA is one of the legacies which French colonial rule left in Francophone
>Africa. The CFA franc, introduced in 1948, has pegged the economies of Francoph
>one Africa to the French Franc at a rate of 98 CFA franc=1 FF. Although France
>guaranteees stability to countries within the Franc Zone not found in other
>areas of Africa, it does not come without a price. France, in effect, controls
>the foreign exchange earnings of these African countries, as foreign exchange t
>ransactions must be cleared through Paris first. Until the mid 1980's France
>made a lot of money off this deal, especially from Gabonese oil. Second, these
>countries cannot experience SAP (Structural Adjustment Programs (fro
>qquit

I'm not sure if the author has visited the countries he is talking about. I
have,a nd a number of other areas of Africa from the Mediterannean to the
Cape. Francophone Africa was notably better off, and free of black markets
in currency. This was, I am sure largely due to the economic stability
theose countries have gained from having what amounts to a hard currency. 

The idea of the CFA Franc was also tried by the British in East Africa, but
the Shilling soon went off in three directions, as Kenya, Uganda and
Tanzania were unable/ unwilling to maintain a common currency, or indeed
much of a common trading environment. 

The principal gains form Gabonese oil for France are likely to come from
Elf Aquitaine's involvement in the development of the fields. In fact
France is the only major power that gives anything approaching 0.7% of GNP
as foreign aid (Holland and Scandanavia are, I believe the only other
countries that are aid donors of this scale).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: umberhe1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bini Berhe)
Subject: Re: Ethiopia: Massacre at Addis Ababa University
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:29:37 GMT

Article 9934 of soc.culture.african:
>From: alakew@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Abiye Lakew)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
>Subject: Ethiopia: Massacre at Addis Ababa University
>Message-ID: <1993Jan10.202115.18942@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>Date: 10 Jan 93 20:21:15 GMT
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>Reports out of Addis Ababa indicate that there has been a random shooting of
>students demonstrating the planned visit of UN General Secretary Boutros
>Boutros Ghali to Eriteria.

Yes, there was a demonstration organized by Addis Ababa students and
apparently the EPRDF followers opened fire.

>Government forces shot and killed about 12 students and injured more than 100.
>It was reported that some students of Eritrean and Tigrean origins
>participated in the killing using assault knives and pistols. This atrocity
>occured at the campus of the Addis Ababa University.

There was a CBC correspondent in Addis following the UN meetings, and 
he reported that one student was shot and killed and several others
were injured.

>Sources indicate that the ruling party EPRDF ( Ethiopian Peoples Revolutionary
>Democratic Front) actively prevented the injured from receiving medical
>attention.

No, I don't think so.
The canadian reporter showed some of the students while recieving medical
care at one of Addis Ababa Hospital.
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: To disarm or not to disarm Somalis
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:47:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:

>The way the US is operating in Somalia, it seems like they went there
>with no clear policy on what it was they were going to do...

I was pleased to see the U.S. military dispatched to Somalia to restore
some kind of order and control there and most important to feed the
people.   It is my feeling the military leadership felt its role was to
both feed the people and become a source of law and order.  What I think
the U.S. Government did and I fully understand it was to downplay any
suggestion the Marines where there to "take control" of the country.  This
could give the appearance of the Marines being more of an occupation force.

>First, they claim they are going to try and restore order - which in 
>their definition seemed to imply that just by landing in Mogadishu,
>they were going to get the warlords so frightened that they were not
>going to want to cause anymore trouble; then when almost everyone
>was saying one of the key things they needed to do was to disarm the
>populace, they said, "No, we didn't come here to disarm anybody"... Now
>we see them doing exactly that...

From all appearances after the initial landing of American forces, the local
and national resistance was coming to a halt.  It now appears nothing will
intimdate the population there who wish nothing more than to continue the
shooting and starving of each other.  This plus attacks on UN and US forces
demanded not only return fire but to seek out and neturalize any offensive
weapons and stockpiles.

>It sounds just like the US...when people were calling for some kind of
>action to save the Somalis from starvation, the US kept citing violence
>as an excuse not to go there and help, only to "surprise" everyone later
>by sending the marines...

No one wishes to see their sons and daughters exposed to violence
regardless if they are military, civilians, or volunteers.  The
situation in Somalia grew into one which could not be ignored any longer,
and from all previous attempts it became clear the Marines could provide
the best protection and security in the least amount of time.  And of course,
once UN and other forces are established there and order is restored, US
forces can be removed out of danger.

>I just hope they will target all armed groups, not just arms bazaars and
>those warlords who fire at them occassionally...

It should be a complete sweep of all forces and all weapons.  The need to
establish some kind of Somali Police or National Guard which can continue
to patrol and monitor the vast amount of weapons and weapons trade in the
country.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: ANC Disrupt DP meetings
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:23:48 GMT

In <1993Jan12.154348.2663@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:


>This is not new, it's been happening on the local UCT campus
>for years. Just never really makes the news internationally.
>Too much in the naive thrall of the civilizing missionary it
>seems, bringing "democracy" to the "savage". 

>Gavan Tredoux
>UCT

Gavan you shouldn't call yourself a savage, that would be a great insult
to real savages :-) :-)

Kiggundu
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: What's going on in Kenya
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:40:08 GMT

pmwanik@cadev5.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki) writes:

	Lots of intersting stuff about vote shares. Thanks  Peter.

Two questions:
	Moi complained in the F.T . that lots of ministers had lost their
seats, so it must have been fair. Elijah Mwangale was mentioned, but who else?
and Peter says:

: Moi was sworn into office by Chief Justice Alan Hancox 

Who is Hancox? When was he appointed? Why was Cecil Miller replaced
(serious	answers only please)? Is Hancox a Kenyan (Miller was
from somewhere in the W.Indies wasn't he?)

But thanks again, Peter

Richard Pennell, History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Forward soc.culture.vietnamese
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:45:06 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I suggest we try to find people who have information that can help the
writer of the following message:


In article <1993Jan6.223031.18459@almserv.uucp>,
g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes: 
> vqt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Married With Children)
> Subject: $US4000 to get screened in as a political refugee ?
> Date: 6 Jan 93 21:04:12 GMT
> 
> 
> I have just received a letter from my cousin from Panat Nikhom, Thailand.
> In his letter, he asks me for a loan of $US 4,000.  He says he just finds
> a contact in Thailand who could get him screened in as a political refugee.
> His contact from Thailand tells him that he does not have to pay until he
> gets screened in.  I really don't know what to do.
> 
> - Has any netter got any success by bribing the Thai official to get
>   screened in ?
> 
> - Does this sound like a plot to get money from Vietnamese refugee ?
> 
> Any info., suggestion, advice is appreciated.  Thanks
> 
> 
> 
To my regret, I don't have any information about this, and I can only suggest 
that you try to contact Vietnamese refugees here. They might have the
experience, and even the organization to tell you where this is probably going
to lead. I have a friend who used to work in Panat Nikhom many years ago.
I'll try to get her advice. The screening process will make your cousin a 
political refugee as a status in Thailand? the US? international?
I know this might be hard to do, but probably you should try to find out 
from your cousin as much information as possible. If you have relatives in 
Thailand, perhaps this contact can be made to believe that if he cheats your
cousin he will be exposed, or something like that. If he understands that he 
has something to lose, he will probably not play tricks. Can your cousin 
find people who know people who have had dealings with this contact?

Good luck,

	Abi
From: ruangsuk@usc.edu (Boonchai Ruangsuknukul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Looking for someone
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:46:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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From: ruangsuk@usc.edu (Boonchai Ruangsuknukul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Looking for my friend
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Keywords: Thai

I am looking for my old friend. She had studied in the AUA before she left our
country. She came here on Jan. last year (spring 92). Her name is Patraporn and
her nickname is AIR or PAT.  I only know that she has studied at U of Mass. at
Lowell. Does anyone know anything about her. Please reply me to 
"ruangsuk@aludra.usc.edu", I am really appreciate.

Thanks 

Boonchai

PS. I am not sure whether she has the email address.
From: tun@quark.SFSU.EDU (Coban Tun)
Subject: Bungled diplomacy almost led to Thai-Burmese war, report says 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:24:03 PST
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UPn  12/29 0857  Bungled diplomacy almost led to Thai-Burmese war, report says

   BANGKOK, Thailand (UPI) -- Miscalculations by Thai military officials almost
led to a war between Thailand and Burma earlier this month over a disputed
border area, a news report said Tuesday.
   The English-language newspaper The Nation said a conflict was averted only
by the last-minute intervention of revered Thai King Bhumibol Adulyadej, who
recommended both sides pull back from the area.
   As a direct result of the king's appeal, negotiators from the two sides
agreed at a meeting Dec. 8 in Rangoon to make Hill 491 a no man's land while
technical teams work to demarcate the border.
   Thailand says the strategic hill is part of its southwestern Chumpon
Province, but Rangoon also claims the area based on a map drawn up by Burma's
former British rulers.
   Bangkok said the Burmese forces occupied Hill 491 last February during an
offensive against ethnic Karen insurgents.
   The Nation, quoting Thai officials involved in the negotiations with Burma,
said the two sides came very close to war over the dispute.
   "War between Thailand and Burma over Hill 491 was averted only when HM the
King, acting on his own initiative, intervened when it appeared inevitable the
Thai military would use force to retake the disputed hill," The Nation said.
   It said Thai officials failed "to understand their Burmese counterparts --
their way of thinking -- which caused a 'loss of face' on the Thai side. This
lack of understanding quickly turned into distrust . .."
   It said Burmese negotiators had promised to bring some "good news" to a
meeting between the two sides in November, which the Thais took to mean a
withdrawal of Burmese forces from the hill.
   But the newspaper said Rangoon's "good news" turned out to be only the
dispatch of a Burmese technical team to survey the area.
   "The Thai military was upset and thought they had been betrayed by the
Burmese," the paper said. "They also viewed the broken promise as an attempt
to test Thai tolerance and unity. Talk of war, of using force to remove the
Burmese troops, rapidly became the order of the day."
   It said that although the crisis is now over, Thailand has been forced to
review its policies toward Burma and the Burmese ethnic insurgent groups which
have relied on Thailand's support for years.
From: smansri@calstatela.edu (somsak mansripattanakul 03-08-91)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: New reader
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:35:13 GMT
Reply-To: smansri@calstatela.edu
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles

I just subscribed this Newsgroups about couple months ago. Anyway, I will tell all my Thai friends to do so. 

regard,

Somsak
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Jan 9: Trip to win back favour
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:52:13 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

DEPUTY Interior Minister Suthas Ngernmuen said yesterday he will 
visit the Middle East and ASEAN nations in an effort to expand 
Thai labour exports.
 
Addressing a meeting of the representatives of 46 job placement 
agencies, Mr Suthas said his tour will start late this month and 
will include Saudi Arabia, Singapore and Brunei.
 
The trip aims to restore good relations and to secure labour 
market in Saudi Arabia and hopes it will be able to send as many 
as 60,000 Thai workers to the oil-rich kingdom.
 
He said he was confident the Government can achieve these goals if 
the Thai police make progress in their investigation of the Saudi 
royal family jewellery theft and the murders of Saudis in 
Thailand.
 
The unsolved cases have caused bilateral relations to sour.
 
Mr Suthas reminded the job agencies yesterday to follow the 
regulations for exporting Thai workers to Taiwan and warned he 
will take strict legal action against violators.
 
He said the ministry will closely watch the agencies to prevent 
them from overcharging job seekers.
 
He said the normal commission charged to workers seeking jobs in 
Taiwan should not exceed 28,000 baht.
 
He had heard that some agencies are charging as much as 40,000 
baht.
 
The ministry will strictly deal with these companies later, he 
said.
 
Mr Suthas said Taiwanese authorities have also promised to take 
action against Taiwanese job brokers for charging Thai placement 
agencies a commission on jobs provided to Thais.
 
The Thai job brokers claimed they had to overcharge Thai workers 
applying to work in Taiwan to make up the commission.
 
The Interior Ministry is considering arranging for Thai workers to 
work in Taiwan on a government-to-government basis.