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From: cshort@nmsu.edu (Spmg*d, Lord of Potted Meat Product)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: questions about amax
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:19:34 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Computing Research Lab


hi.

 i'm interested in learning more about amax. the big
debate/bandwagon seems to be reading mac disks in amiggy drives. i
know that the older versions of amax don't do that. do you have to
have a mac drive on the amiggy or are there other tricks? mac software
on amiga format disks? some weird formate that both mac and amiggy can
read? please clue me in.

thanks

c.
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: EMPLANT.... well?  Is it soup yet?
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:37:45 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)


	

	Sorry if I'm missing a discussion already in progress...

	Our feed seems to be 99% screwed up... so on the 1% chance
	of getting this out....

	EMPLANT was supposed to be shipping this week, so there is the
	chance that someone has it by now, and can give us the word
	on it.  

	If this has happened, I'd appreciate hearing about it via
	e-mail if possible (which I *think* is working).

	Thanks...

	-Mike-
From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT: Let's settle it!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:36:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.150730001
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu (Devin E. Parsons) writes:

>Well, there you have it, folks.  On patents, no verfication from anyone who
>has ever used this device, and no desire to have AW let us know it exists.

There we have _what_?  Egad, get a life.  Unless J.D. is independently
wealthy (not likely), he's one of the most anxious to get Emplant shipping
so he can put bread on his table.  How about we leave him alone, unless
it's with some truly important questions, so he can get his work done?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: Emplant..Is it really shipping.
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:51:03 GMT

In article <Jim_Drew.0dn4@cryo.RAIN.COM> Jim_Drew@cryo.RAIN.COM (Jim Drew) writes:
>
>In <1992Oct2.225011.10354@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, blanke@bigboy (Mark Blanke) writes:
>> I called UUI yesterday, and I was told that the Emplant boards were in the 
>> middle of being shipped.
>> 
>> Jim, is this true?
>Yes

Congratulations Jim.

>Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.

Dariusz Bolski
-- 
Dariusz Bolski     Ohio Supercomputer Center, IBM POWER Visualization System
Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu
From: Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca (Lloyd Sumpter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT: Let's settle it!
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:58:39 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Devin E. Parsons writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Sep25.201311.10070@news.iastate.edu>
> Posted: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:13:1
>
> Org.  : Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
>
> Jim,
>
>   Please settle this debate over the existance of EMPLANT.
>
>       I assure you it would be very easy, just tell us:
>
>            1.  The patent # or #'s for your hardware.
>            2.  The name and address of three people (or more) who
>                have and are using EMPLANT, so we can get their
>                oppinion.
>            3.  Ship an EMPLANT TODAY, federal express to
>                Amiga World so they can verify that the system
>                works!
>
> That is all that would have to be doen!  In fact, if AW says the system
> works you really don't even need the other users to verify.
>

   While I agree that these things would settle the matter, I shuder at #3. Too
many times developers have rushed a product out the door to be evaluated, and
the result is that it gets a very bad review. Look a how badly the Amiga faired
in Unix Review. I'd like to see something, but let's make sure it's ready
before we send it for review!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: A2286 fix & questions
From: bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:48:39 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <jerry.0ai1@marin.uucp>, jerry@marin.uucp (Jerry C. Hudgins) writes:
> In article <1992Oct4.153553.13338@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>>   For starters, here are the docs for fixing the A2286's fake disk I/O.. 
>> PLEASE NOTE.. 
>> 
>>    I attempted this fix a few months back, and fried my BB to the point 
>> that nobody could figure out what was wrong with it (ICs were giving proper 
>> signals, etc.. but NOTHING happened). All I can say is BE CAREFUL; I 
>> followed the instructions exactly, and it cost me a new BB.
> 
> I was the poster of the fix mentioned; it was a copy of an earlier posting
> from Scott Drysdale.  I can't account for this unfortunate fellow's problem
> with the patch, but I can reiterate that I and many other A2286 users have
> installed it successfully.  Your mileage may vary.

  Well, it's just kind of interesting about how some it worked, some it 
didn't.. were there two (or more) revisions of the BB? Different ROM 
revision make a difference.. questions questions questions..

because the fake IO is still to damn slow even with 2.1


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From: M-Santi@cup.portal.com (Michael Mark Santiago)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: At-Once +
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 21:29:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The Atonce PLus has been successfully tested and used with
both Windows 3.0 and 3.1, using MS-DOS 3.3, 5.0 and DRDos 6.0.

I have tried running applications from within WIndows and
through without a problem.  The only problem that will arise
will be any program which tries to access IBM hardware with
direct calls.  This tends to be most of the IBM games, which
trash MS-DOS and use the hardware directly. Now, why someone
wwould play games on the IBM with a perfectly good AMIGA to
play with I'll never know.

Your rev 4 motherboard may need upgrading.  C= considers the
4.5 motherboard to be in specification.  Using something like
the Atonce PLus may bring hidden problems to light. 


As for the MMR, I haven't tried it and Vortex has not replied
on whether it workd or not.  Vortex did say that the ADSPEED
will work, but I have been unable to reproduce that setup.


Michael S
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT: Let's settle it!
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:20:28 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Will you people lay off it already.  You sit at home with your $250
500 and one disk drive and babble on endlessly about stuff you will
have no intention of purchasing just to see your name in pixels.  Get
a life or a job...-);
-- 
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James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu (Devin E. Parsons)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT: Let's settle it!
Reply-To: taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:42:18 GMT

>1) EMPLANT has no patents or patents pending.
> 
>2) The only people that have the board are developers which are under
>   NDAs.
> 
>3) We are not going to ship a review copy to AW until we get a dispute
>   settled (I do not deal in that end of the business..just design work)
>   over previous ads.  When the do get one, it will be SI/CI/LC compatible
>   as well.
> 
>Incidently, you should be seeing something next month in Amazing and a few
>other foreign magazines.
> 
>Why should *I* get out of the development scene?  ...have you created this
>product and would like us to step aside??
>
>
>Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
>           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
>           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
>           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS

Well, there you have it, folks.  On patents, no verfication from anyone who
has ever used this device, and no desire to have AW let us know it exists.
     Just more of the same...nothing.  BTW, Mr. Drew, does 'somthing...in 
Amazing' mean a review, as in they have used the product?  Or what?
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From: sevigny@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Benoit Sevigny)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPANT and NeXT Emulation... Comming Soon?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:02:54 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

In article <BvAKpu.DDy@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>sevigny@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Benoit Sevigny) writes:
>
>>a look at Mach.  I think that he would only have to write the Amiga drivers
>>to have NeXTStep running on the Amiga, no hardware hacks (if so, then I
>>suspect that it won't be done by Mr. Drew :-)
>
>Actually, there would have to be "hardware hacks" to provide an alternative to
>the NeXT's DSP system as well as its other machine-dependent equipment.  After
>it finally got running (wishful thinking to the extreme), any NeXTstep
>applications might still require recompilation - certainly the OS would.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Wulf                    | "Martha, it's another one of those CS majors asking
>jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |  if cow chips are pin-compatible with 68040s..."

I don't know how NeXTStep handle things like DSPs, but I suppose that there
is clearly a retargetable mecanism (no, the Amiga is not the only open
system :) because the same softs run on the NeXTCube (which has a 56001 and
no i860) and the NeXTDimension (which has a 96001 and a i860).  So I guess
that we would have to rewrite the drivers and some libraries (although wo
wouldn't get realtime signal processing on a plain Amiga) and then, if we
are lucky, the software _and_ the OS (if it's not hardware dependant) might
be directly runnable.  I'm not a NeXT guru, but I only suppose that
NeXTStep is as open as AmigaOS is (read: should be :).  Anyone that knows more
about NeXTStep retargetability than me could tell.
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From: ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Amax Users
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct1.223453.18232@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> walthour@coos.dartmouth.edu (David Walthour) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.140755.10268@uoft02.utoledo.edu> bgundlac@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (bill gundlach) writes:
>> ...
>>
>>The host is wuarchive.wustl.edu, I believe, and the 
>>directory is systems/amiga/incoming/misc.  Look
>>for A-MaxUtils.SEA
>>
>>Best of Luck!
>>
>>Bill

Does anyone know if Fuzz (on of the programs in that collection)
works on version 2.51 of amax running system 7.  The current
version seems to violently trash my display.

One more question: has anyone tried A-max on a A600 with
the built in hard drive?  I guess this is mostly a question
for the Europeans (it's still tough to get them over here).

Thanks and regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Does AMAX 2.5 without Hardware run System 7 ??
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:17:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.044213.1488@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>A friend is wondering if he can run System 7 on his original AMAX
>cartridge system, is it possible?
>
>Do you need II+ to be able to run Sys 7?
>
>matt.

	It's donig fine on my machine. 7.0 soon to become 7.01 which also works
	George

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Bridgeboard User Mailing List - Good Idea ?
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:54:58 GMT

Hi,
	After spending a lot of time setting up my Bridgeboard, I'd like
to propose a mailing list for BB users.

Exchanging information regarding the configuration or types of hardware
added would probably be benificial to everyone who's got a BB, and even
better for new users/owners.

What's everyone think?

matt.
From: walthour@coos.dartmouth.edu (David Walthour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Amax Users
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:34:53 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Oct1.140755.10268@uoft02.utoledo.edu> bgundlac@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (bill gundlach) writes:
>Just a quick note to Amax users:
>
>There is a VERY useful file posted on wuarchive that contains
>all kinds of utilities for the emulator.  Among the most
>useful are a flicker reducer, a program to save mouse
>settings to disk, and Epson 9 and 24 pin printer drivers.
>The file is SEA'ed, so all you need to do is bring it to
>Amax with the File Exchange program in MacBinary.  After
>that, click on it to decompress.
>
>The host is wuarchive.wustl.edu, I believe, and the 
>directory is systems/amiga/incoming/misc.  Look
>for A-MaxUtils.SEA
>
>Best of Luck!
>
>Bill

To add to this note, there is another program on wuarchive.wustl.edu
for AMax users who use the cartridge with V2.50 or V2.51 of the software.
This program is called FastAMax1.2.lha and it copies the mac+ ROMs to
a file and then patches the program to read the ROMs from this file
resulting in a much quicker boot of AMax.  You still need the cartridge
to run AMax, so this doesn't enable it to be pirated.

-David Walthour
walthour@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: emplant: let's settle
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:26:32 EST


GF> Don't you stupid Emplant-bashers ever learn?  You act like the release
GF>of Emplant is a life or death matter for you and/or Jim Drew. The only
GF>mistake Jim Drew made with the design of Emplant was announcing it on
GF>Usenet, where lots of jerks sit around all day just looking for things to
GF>flame and call vaporware.  If you need to emulate a B/W Mac, buy Amax II(+)
GF>and save yourself some wait.  If you need color, patiently wait for Emplant
GF>or buy a real Mac.  Simple as that.  Jim Drew never signed a contract with
GF>Amiga users saying Emplant would come out at such and such a time.  (Yes, he
GF>did say it would come out a couple months ago, but ReadySoft announced
GF>Amax II+ *IN NATIONAL MAGAZINES* a good year before it was even out, at
GF>least Jim Drew only announced it in a non-format discussion board)

 True, It was a mistake for Jim Drew to pre-announce the Emplant so soon, but
it's an even bigger mistake to continue the topic on UseNet. And yes Readysoft
announced their product a year before it was released, but the product was 
released. I have been waiting for the emplant for quite some time. Now I'm 
beginning to think this unit will never come out. 
 
 From the sound of it,  the Emplant board is complete and the software is 
near completion. I've also read from Jim Drew that the unit is going under
FCC Aproval, which will take some time. But with the board this complete, why
doesn't he send a unit to Amiga World or Amazing Computer for a pre-review like
they do with other products.
 
 There have been a number of reports that Jim Drew is announcing the Emplant
to get even with Readysoft. I don't know how true these rumours are, but 
considering Jim Drew has had the chance to demostrate Emplant on a number of
occasions and has constantly reminded us of the unit. I am beginning to think
that these rumours are facts. In which case, I hope Readysoft sues Utilities
Unlimited for causing them to lose sales. I and many others will testify as
witnesses that we are waiting for this unit instead of purchasing the Amax
package.

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: trat@amiganet.chi.il.us (Thomas Reamer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Emplant letter :(
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:25:19 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Hey hey!
        Well when the Emplant posts first starting it's birth, I wrote the
President for information on the board, specs etc.  As we all know the talk was
several weeks ago if i'm  not mistaken.  Well, I never recieved a reply.
From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Connecting a DOS-BOX to my AMIGA
Keywords: IBM , CLONE, AMIGA
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:20:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct1.211207.28150@IRO.UMontreal.CA> morcos@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Nader Morcos) writes:
>I'd like suggestions and 
>technical info. on how I can re-use my AMIGA's monitor, hard
>disk, etc... with the clone. I.E. what kind of connections are needed?

I, too, would like info on hooking up a clone to my Amy.
I already own a big clone tower case (minus the motherboard) that I'm planning
on using for SCSI expansion.  
It has 8 5.25" drive bays, 250W p/s, cables, led's, etc for $115!

More specifically, can it be hooked up via SCSI such that I could see MS-dog
processes in a window and/or share SCSI devices?  
(sorta like an external bridge board, but faster and cheaper)

Thanks.
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From: 2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Is my bridgeboard dead?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 04:05:21 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu


I recently deleted my Pseudo Hard disk and wanted to reinstall the software,
after spending countless hours trying to get another Pseudo HD to work the
computer stopped working,  now every time I boot up it comes up with the 
message:

Parity error on main circuit board.
Fatal error - Computer stopped.

Does anyone now what in the world is going on with my A2286?

Thanks! for anyone who might help me.

-Mario Acevedo, Marquette University-
From: jshea@eng.clemson.edu (john mark shea)
Subject: Re: Epson printer drivers for Amax
Reply-To: jshea@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:55:07 GMT

I have both PowerPrint and Freedom of Press.  PowerPrint is nice for rough drafts,etc.
Freedom of Press produces essentially laser quality print on my Panasonic KXP-1124.
It is a lot slower, but it is worth it for most things.

................................................John
From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: NOW Jim Drew has my money
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:26:58 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

If this interests anyone, I just got a card from UU that states:


Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
1641 McCulloch Blvd. #25-124
Lake Havasu City, Az. 86403


   We are now starting to process orders. You may notice the charge to
   your credit card, and your product will be shipped out according to 
   date ordered. Emplant could take 2 weeks to get to you. We just
   wanted to let you know it is on the way so you do not have to go to
   the expense of a long distance call.

           Thank you for your order

		(602) 680 - 9004

Sounds like they're shipping now to me.

neil
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From: kent@hal.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: CrossDOS 5.0 hard disk formatting problems
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:49:47 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.nde.swri.edu

In article <BvBI1o.L92@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> tomlin@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Tomlinson) writes:
>Keith H. Brown (kbrown@ringer.cs.utsa.edu) wrote:
>: I've been trying to format a 4 meg partition of a hard disk for use as
[...]
>: version of format I get the error: "Format Failure: disk not
>: validated",
[...]
>The problem is there is no partitions defined at this point - and no amiga
>program really knows how to create them. If you do get this going, it will
>be more like a big floppy rather than an IBM format disk.

I don't believe this is the problem. I think the problem is that Amiga
formatted partitions must have two blocks reserved (FFS) at the beginning of
the partition. Take a look at the entry made by the installation program for
PCC: and you will notice that there are no reserved blocks. If you format
using FFS, format will format the partition, but can't update the info in
these first two blocks, so can't validate the partition. Thus the need to
Fdisk and ms-dos format.

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Speaking of CrossPC, I installed MS-DOS 5.0, but when I try to boot off of
drive C:, I get:
   Invalid instruction encountered at 0000:7e40
and CrossPC shuts down. Anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong???

Works fine when I boot off of a floppy. (C: is accessible and everything)

Thanks
Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
UUCP     : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent