From: grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gross)
Subject: Re: Get a Clue (was: Get a Life)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:26:08 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <92205.122637SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.173330.23164@samba.oit.unc.edu>
>Steve.Gross@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Gross) writes:
>
>>Jesus was and is sinless, and forever will be.  You should   "Face it".
>
>As the man is almost 2,000 years dead and the concept of "sin" is
>what you make it to be, the above statement has less impact than a row
>of farts.  Face it yourself, Mr. Gross, your Jesus can be tricked out
>to be whatever one chooses to make him, a god for all churches.

Jack, would you care to point out His grave to us!?

Your opinion is that He is dead.  However, there is consistent
evidence that not only is He not dead, but that He arose and walked
with His disciples and that some 500 disciples saw Him ascend into the
heaven whereupon He was swallowed up by clouds.

The concept of sin is clearly defined in the Bible (a book of 66 books
covering a period of over 4,000 years).  Check it out sometime.

>>For all you scholars who have read "between the lines"
>>and have theorized a different interpretation, my sincere apologies.
>>I read the book as it is written, no more no less.
>
>Take a head douche, Mr. Gross.  If the bible were as clear as
>you opine Christianity would not be the welter of conflicting churches,
>traditions and cults that it is.  There does not seem to be any other
>major religion which is as confused about its heritage and its
>beliefs as Christianity.

Actually, there is less confusion than you seem to think.  Most of the
arguments among Christians seems more centered on semantics than hard
issues.  The Christian that I know from a variety of denominations
agree that:

God exists; that He is s trinity in unity, the Great Three in One,
neither dividing the substance nor confusing the Persons.

Jesus, the uniquely born Son of God, has existed as the Son since
before time began.  Further, He is the Lamb who was slain from the
founding of the world.

The Holy Spirit is our Comforter and Teacher; He proceeds from the
Father and the Son.

The Bible is our sole source of faith and teaching.  The Bible is both
infallible and inerrent.  When there is a dispute, we must turn to the
Bible for final arbitration.

And there is more....

But the point is that conservative evangelicals agree on more than
they disagree.  And we often agree with our more liberal brethren than
seems to be the case on this net.  Somehow this net promulgates the
argumentative nature of human beings.  In fact, I think that it
promotes it.  This is a nice anonymous way of saying what you have to
say without having to abide by the strictures of more civilized
conversation found when engaged one-to-one and face-to-face.

I found nothing that Steve said out of line.  Nor did I find it
anywhere as inflammatory as others have been.  There is a premium on
the net for being PC.  When someone isn't, they are automatically
whatever badnames come to mind and onto the screen.  Frankly, it now
appears that the effort to force PC views is just another form of
tyranny and attempted control over free speech.

Gene

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