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Subject: Re: Sheep noises again
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:07:41 +0000







In article <C1F467.6AG@dcs.ed.ac.uk> ial@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Iain Lindsey) writes:

>In <MNEWS.727711873.355@demon.co.uk> J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)

>writes:

>>From what I saw in the Skol Cup Final, Aberdeen can compete with Rangers as
>>long as Rangers lie back and let them run at them, once Rangers put their
>>foot on the pedal it's a different story.

>Were you at the game, mate? Rangers threw everything they had against Aberdeen 
a
nd
>got two lucky goals while creating very few chances. Aberdeen however looked ve
r
y
>dangerous every time the went forward with the ball, playing their counter-atta
c
king
>game.

I was there, were you? Rangers went at Aberdeen from the start, got an early 
goal and looked like they were going to take Aberdeen apart. Instead they
settled for a 1-0 lead and sat back on it, letting Aberdeen back in. It took
a goal from Aberdeen (a good goal from Shearer, made easier by Gough playing
on one leg :-) )and the introduction of Miko to raise them from their slumbers.
Extra-time was generally a procession towards the Aberdeen goal, capped by a
fine effort from Mr. Smith, saving Mark Hateley the trouble.

To be fair, that's all I've seen of Aberdeen this season, but I got the
impression that's as good as they get. Despite the large amount of possession
they were given they showed few ideas of how to break down the Rangers
defence.

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From: tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Bryan Robson/Gary Lineker
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:41:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <gfNLwZy00iV0I4=5Bx@andrew.cmu.edu> am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what's going on with Bryan Robson at Manchester United?
> Is he still injured?  And how's is Lineker doing in Japan?  Does anyone
>know who he is playing for in Japan?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy

Lineker will be playing for Grampus Eight in Japan's new J League. The league
does not begin play until May this year.



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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: 30 min sudden death (&backpass)
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:38:43 GMT
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In <ofNAJ9e00iUy8AQXhw@andrew.cmu.edu> am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:

> According to Visconti Marcello Alfredo, there will be a 30 min sudden
> death extra time after a tie during the regulation time.  I think that
> this new rule is stupid as hell.  If a game was tied during the 90 min,
> all the excitement would usually be focused on the 2 15 min extra time. 
> You would never know what's going to happen in those 30 min.  If they
> convert it to the sudden death system, there would be no chance for the
> losing team to catch up, and thus, loses most of the excitement. 
> Remember the FA Cup Final between Liverpool and Everton in 1990 (I
> think), which was 1-1 during regulation time?  Even though Everton lost
> 3-2 at the end, but they still had levelled the game at 2-2 during extra
> time.  Now I call that excitement.  Losing teams trying to equilize
> after conceding a goal during extra time.  So please don't make any more
> stupid changes, FIFA.  The back pass rule is stupid enough.

Hey! What's so "stupid" about the backpass rule? Is FIFA being unkind to those
heroic goalkeepers and defenders who used to spend ages passing the ball
between each other...?
---
But I _might_ agree about the new Sudden Death proposal. Any rule change that
means one mistake can cost you the match encourages careful, defensive
play. I predict you will see a lot of dull overtime periods where neither team
tries to score if FIFA had their way.
---
The only solution is unlimited Sudden Death, the teams play on until a goal is
scored. This way, neither team has anything to lose. 
Sure, negative teams might need days to break a scoreless tie but who
cares?! All players on the winning team will be so exhausted afterwards that
they'll automatically lose in the next round anyway, thus ensuring(?) that only
teams trying all-out to win will succeed.
---
And while I'm at it, where is the stop clock FIFA?! The world indoor
championship used a format of 2*40 minutes _effective_ time, the clock was
stopped when the ball was not in play. 

MARCU$
 
> Andy
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Sheep noises again... was Celtic are awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:44:40 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1993Jan19.141115.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>In article <C13rpM.4D1@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan19.095148@cs.bham.ac.uk>, ach@cs.bham.ac.uk (Alastair C Hume) writes:
>> At least the reds have something to shout about after last season's catastrophy.
>> Anyway, how many times have the Gers won 7-0 or 6-2 this season??. I think that
>> gives us good cause to celebrate, don't you??. 
>> 
>> Whenever Rangers win anything (even the Glasgow cup) it is always spread all 
>> over the papers and us sheepies get a bit fed up with it all.
>> Baaaa.
>
>
>	Consistency is the keyword here, consistency.  It doesn't matter if
>you win 7-0 or 70-0 against Partick Nil, if you're going to lose to the likes
>of Airdrie.  Anyway I'll think you'll find Rangers have scored more goals
>all season.    *We're* all getting fed up reading about Eberdeens terrific run
>recently ---- 23 out of 24 points I think.  Not bad at all but it went
>unnoticed the other week that Rangers had set a new record of 32 games 
>unbeaten this season which overtakes the record held by Celtic in 1967.  

Also, the sheep have failed to beat Rangers, Celtic or Dundee United this
season so far. Rangers on the other hand have beaten the sheep twice, Celtic
twice and Dundee United three times. 

Get those clippers out....

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Subject: Re: ACCIES AND RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY
From: sgilmou@eis.calstate.edu (Stephen Gilmour)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:45:58 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 	Our learned colleague is referring to the impending court case in
> which Ian Durrant of Rangers (not Huns....) will attempt to sue Neil Simpson 
> and Eberdeen for a tackle in October 1988 which nearly ruined his career. 
> Durrant's career was saved only after 3 operations and it was only towards
> the end of last season that he displayed something like his previous form 
> and perhaps it wont be until the end of this season before an assessment can 
> be made concerning his complete recovery.  Durrant is sueing for 1M quid 
> and surprisingly some former Eberdeen players will act as witnesses on his
> behalf as well as SAlly, John Brown and Andy Roxburgh.   
> 
Simpson should have been suspended sine die for this offense at the
time, and he was not even ordered off.  The work "tackle" does not
begin to describe what this thug did to young Durrant, and I wish
him the best of luck in getting his compensation.

Stephen
From: J.Scallon@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Nottingham Forrest Fixture List
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:26:37 GMT
Reply-To: J.Scallon@lut.ac.uk (Julie Scallon)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


I would be grateful if someone could post, or email to me, the remaining 
fixtures for Nottingham Forrest (both home and away please).

Thanks in advance,

Julie
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Loughborough University of Technology
Department of Computer Studies
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From: pgllooly@unix2.tcd.ie (Paul Gillooly)
Subject: Re: United-Villa comparison
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:16:45 GMT

In <1993Jan22.111411.1810@hsr.no> trygve@hsr.no (Trygve Svendsen) writes:

>Keywords: 



>Well, after reading a lot of articles about United and Villa lately 
>I have decided to make a evaluation of the two teams.
>I think it is fair to say that one of these two will win the Premier League.
>As far as I am concerned, only two other clubs have a remote chance of winning
>it, Blackburn and Arsenal.(In that order).

>Villa and United both play the 4-4-2 so it is easy to make a straight-forward
>comparison between them. Well, here it goes:

>Goalkeeper: 
>           United: Peter Schmeichel.
>           Villa : Nigel Spink.

>Comment: You have to fancy The Great Dane here. Spink is a solid keeper,making
>         very few mistakes, but Schmeichel is simply in a class of his own.
>         A clear United-advantage here.

>Defence:
>        United:Parker,Bruce,Pallister,Irwin.
>        Villa :Barrett,Teale,McGrath,Staunton.

>Comment: A very close one here. Parker is back to his best and must be a 
>         contender for the right-back spot for England, while Barrett is 
>         a very under-rated player (along with Shaun Teale).
>         United have perhaps the best centre-back combination in Bruce-
>         Pallister but Villa have the best one: Paul McGrath.
>         At left-back, Staunton is (along with Pearce) the best in the league.
>         Dennis Irwin is only average.
          ^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^

Denis Irwin has been one of United's most consistent performers this
season and is one of the unsung heroes of the side ( especially since he
is playing out of position on the left - he is right back for Ireland ).

		Paul.
From: elhasnao@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: African Soccer
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:42:44 GMT

Does anyone know anything about the Afrcain Football "Soccer"?

Thanks.
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Ibrox Flooded
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:38:16 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <C1F4u9.6qH@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, ial@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Iain Lindsey) writes:
> I remember a game two years ago at Pittodrie,Aberdeen when the pitch was waterlogged
> and obviously unplayable for an Aberdeen v Rangers match. However the match was not
> called off with one of the reasons being given was that all the Rangers fans were on
> their way and it would be unfair on them to call it off. What happens this week when
> under the same circumstances Aberdeen are playing Rangers in Glasgow? SFA. A severe
> case of bias methinks!


	Nonsense !  If you had seen any photos of the pitch you would
have seen it was not playable and it's a mystery why the referee took 
until 2-40pm to call it off.  Rangers fans don't just come from Glasgow, they
travel from all over the UK to come to Ibrox and there are probably more 
travelling a longer distance than Aiberdeen fans.  None of the other Premier 
Division matches should have been played either judging by TV pictures. 
The whole this has got nothing to do with Rangers bias.


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From: ppj@unislc.uucp (Peter Jones)
Subject: Ital serie A and B results ?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:45:02 GMT

Does anybody have the results from the Italian League from last Sunday.
I think it was week seventeen?

- Peter Jones


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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: Re: FANZines
Keywords: Arsenal
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:53:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.133439.18887@ugle.unit.no>, mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen) writes:
> Could somebody please give me the name and subscriptionaddress for the best
> Arsenal FC-fanzine ? Hard to get ahold of that here in Norway...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Morten

Arsenal fanzines:

"The Gooner" - 1 pound from BCMM Box 7499, London WC1N 3XX.
               Mail Order: AFN Distribution, 25 Thomas Str, Miskin, 
                           Mountain Ash, Mid Glamorgan.

"The Arsenal Echo Echo" - P.O. Box 122, Guildford, Surrey GU2 6GD

"One-Nil Down, Two-One Up" - 71A Hillfield Park, London N10 3QU

"An Imperfect Match" - 76 Mount Pleasant Cresent, London N4


The best general football fanzine of course is:

"When Saturday Comes" - 4th Floor, 2 Pear Tree Court, London EC1R 0DS

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From: Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Accies
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:35:28 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

> 
>>Question: What was going through Terry Butchers head when he recklessly
>>challenged Bobby Bar, broke his leg and finished his career? I heard
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I'm not going to comment on the rest of this post, but Terry's career certainly
> isn't finished. He's currently doing a grand job for the Lads.
>>the crack from the stand. Accies cannot afford sophisticated medical
>>treatment.
> Incidentally, I've got an Accies scarf. Now, where the hell did it come from???
> Dave.
> 
OOPS!!!. I've just realised. I misread it the first time. It was Terry Butcher
who did the tackle, sorry about that.

>ACCIES SCARFS SPONTANEOUSLY MATERIALISE IF YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO BE BLESSED,
>YOU SHOULD FEEL HUMBLED.
>ACCIES SCARFS ARE LIKE MANNA FROM HEAVEN - YOU MUST HAVE DONE SOME GREAT 
>VIRTUOUS ACT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE SUCH A ACCOLADE.

Actually, I think I've remembered where it came from. Nothing as exotic as 
manna from Heaven, though. Someone gave it to me at the Celtic - Liverpool
game played after the Hillsbrough tragedy. I'm not sure why he gave it to me,
or what I gave in return, or are Accies fans just naturally generous? I think
we ought to know.....
Dave.


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From: tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala)
Subject: Re: Greek League Results
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:08:21 GMT

In article <16B61CC70.TSAKETO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> TSAKETO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes>Results 1/24/93
> 
> 
>ATHINAIKOS     - AEK         0 - 0
> 
>STANDINGS  (DAY 19)
> 
>                   POINTS    W   D   L  GOAL
> 
>     1  AEK Athens    44    13   5   1  41  13
>  ====================================================

How is American, Frank Klopas, doing for AEK. Has he gotten back into starting
lineup or is he still coming off the bench? Thanks.

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From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: my typing
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:43:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

My typing gets worse on this silly WYSE keyboard.
Blackburn lost to Coventry, not the garbage that I typed!

Alex
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man City v. Arsenal
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:40:49 GMT


	MANCHESTER CITY 0	ARSENAL 1
				Merson 79

City: Coton, Ranson, Phelan, Simpson, Curle, D Brightwell, White, Sheron,
Quinn, Flitcroft, Holden

Arsenal: Seaman, Dixon, Winterburn, Hillier, Bould, Adams, Jensen,
Campbell, Smith, Merson, Flatts


Apologies for the lateness of this report - but if you've been holding your
breath, disappointment will result, I'm afraid. City went down to the
Gunners by a single goal, their fourth 1-0 League home defeat of the
season. Arsenal's recent dodgy form, the lack of Ian Wright and a solid Cup
performance in the replay at Reading led us to believe that the Blues stood
a good chance of exacting revenge for the 1-0 loss at Highbury earlier in
the season. How wrong can you be.

There really is nothing to say about this game. City offered very little,
persisting with route one ball, which was useless against the strong
partnership of Bould and Adams. Quinn got no change out of either of them
all afternoon. A burst of football brought the best chance in the first
half, with Quinn volleying over the bar after a cross from Sheron had found
him in space. The game was pretty ugly at times. There were several
unpleasant tackles from the Jensen, and Simpson did his usual trick of
steaming in. After his recent suspension this brought someone behind us to
comment that perhaps "he'd already booked his holidays next month".
Seriously, though, he has to calm down or he'll end up in a lot of trouble,
and no good to the club.

Arsenal were similarly impotent, and the first half dragged on for what
seemed like hours. Merson provided an occasional spark on the left, but
that was all. The second half was similar, with a rare bit of excitement
being a Quinn shot which was well parried by Seaman. The drudgery as
finally broken in the 79th minute as Mark Flatts broke down the right wing.
There was some confusion in the City defence with two defenders failing to
pick him up, and his cross was well headed in at the near post by Merson.
That was it. A very poor performance all round, and the crowd left the
players and management in no doubt as to their disappointment. The whole
team were off form, but David White in particular seemed to drift out of
the game for long periods, and when he put in an appearance, was rubbish.
Reid refused to bring anyone on, though, even though the Kippax were
shouting for young Adie Mike to be brought on in the final period. 

Don't give up, Blues fans - better news is to follow....

Cheers,

	Sean B
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From: schraag@lri.jur.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Re: Dutch competition (ere-divisie), round 18.
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:23:22 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

Earlier i wrote:

+ 
+ Ajax - Dordrecht '90 4-1
+    48' Pettersson 1-0
+    50' Blind      2-0
+    52' Pettersson 3-0
+    57' Barendse   3-1
+    87' Wijnhard   4-1
+ 

Wijnhard keeps up a long tradition of scoring in his
first appearance in the first team of Ajax. 
This was done by Cruijff, van Basten, Winter ("Arie, Arie")
amongst others.

The opponents should know this by now, you might think.

Another tradition is scoring in the first five minutes of
a Europa Cup-match, especially in the away-game.

joost.

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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Referee Fee Info Needed
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:11 GMT


Here in Connecticut, the Connecticut State Soccer Association mandates
$60 for referees and $15 for each linesman per match.

This is for the Connecticut Soccer League (open to all ages) and the
Shoreline Adult Soccer League (over-30) and all state cups.  I'm not
sure about the other leagues affiliated with the CSSA but I am willing
to bet that its the same.

Linesmen are not assigned to SASL matches, and probably not every
CSL match.  I'm not sure if they are required in the CSL First Division.
Linesmen are required for all state cup games under the jurisdiction
of the CSSA.

I know absolutely nothing about what High School referees are getting
or Connecticut Junior Soccer Association referee fees.


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