From: mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: control
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:49:19 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia Economics Department

> Nyikos
>> Ferrari
>>>Nyikos
>>>> Ferrari

>>CONTRACEPTIONN IS BESIDE THE POINT!! Abortion "prior to the end of the 5th
>>week" is basically beside the point also, since paltry few women know
>>that they are pregnant by that time,

>If so, sex education has done a lousy job of teaching about menstrual
>cycles and pregnancy tests, and about the desirability of EARLY abortions.

So, you think the schools should teach that ANY abortions are desirable?
How innteresting!  The schools have little to do with the subject.  Human
biology has a LOT to do with it.  If you can't imagine a dozen scenarios
in one minnute inn which a woman would nnot know she was pregnnannt by 5
weeks gestation, you have a poor imagination and an even worse grasp of
female anatomy.

>> much LESS have time to make up their
>>minds about it (abortion is NOT a snap decision),

>I would expect a lot of women have made their minds up, even before
>having intercourse, that if they get pregnant, they'll abort.

That quote alone shows you knnow NOTHING about making ANY important decision.
NO ONE CAN KNOW what they will do inn such a situation until they are actually
in the situation.

>> AND get to the abortion
>>clinic, when antis keep passing abortion restrictions and generally making
>>it extremely difficult to get to a clinic. 

>This is a bogus argument.  What's a 24 hour waiting period compared to 
>5 weeks?

Gee, if the woman's 34 days pregnant, it means a hell of a lot.  And a 24
hour waiting period is only the smallest part of what the antis are trying
to do.  They are trying to shut down clinics entirely.  What if the woman
is only ONE DAY pregnant, but there's no way inn hell she can scrape up
enough cash to get from Utah to California in five weeks?  Just too bad,
huh?  She'll just have to starve another little brat.  CERTAINLY couldn't
expect the MAN to take anny responsibility.  That might infringe on NYIKOS'
rights.

>> This 5-week abortion grace
>>period you so generously bestow upon us is nothinng but a mirage.  What
>>makes a 5-week fetus different from a 6-week onne anyway?

>Well, I can't know when sentience occurs, but there seems to be a 
>prima facie case for it beginning some time between the end of the
>5th week and the end of the 8th.  Like I said, I am open to moving
>up the cutoff point to the 8-week point.

You still havenn't answered my question.  On what GROUNNDS do you grannt
this wonderful gift to womankind?

>>>> Contraceptionn is NOT ann alternative to abortion.

>>>It's too bad so many people literally believe this, like the teenagers
>>>on a recent Oprah Winfrey show who (so I'm told, correct me if I'm 
>>>wrong) were asked why they did not use (more?) birth control, and replied
>>>that it was because they knew they could always get an abortion.

>>Let me try this one more time, inn nice, short, sentences: Conntraception
>>is NNOT an alternative to abortionn.  (Pause while you look up that big
>>word "contraception.")  Contraception prevennts abortionn.

>Sorry, repeating a statement is not the same thing as explaining it.
>Contraception does not prevent abortion, otherwise people would not
>be talking about "contraceptive failure."  So what did you mean?

I meant that contraception is NOT an alternnative to abortion for a woman who
is already pregnant annd needs an abortion.

-- 
"We have seen pictures, where there are canals, we believe, and water.  If 
there's water, that means there's oxygen.  If oxygen, that means we can 
breathe." - Dan Quayle, talking about Mars.
Ferrari (mills@rolf.stat.uga.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion