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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:16:58 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Who's rich, and how did they get that way

My far right (!!) view of American Politics is that the politician is
merely the go-between...the broker....between the Corporations and other
interest groups and the U.S. treasury....  For example, the Defense
Industry wants to get at the treasury, they lobby effectively to get more
money funded for defense and which ends in defense contracts for making
arms and doing research in that area...The health and Insurance lobbies
(PAC"S) lobby effectively to keep the government funding medicaid and such
while opposing National health Insurance... The Israeli/jewish lobby wants
money to keep flowing to Israel....

The politicians take the money (Studies have shown that incumbents and those
who raise more money win some 80% of elections) and use it effectively to
put soundbites on TV boasting what they will do when they get elected and
distorting their opponents records to get elected.  Its immaterial and
really silly to believe them but they say it often enough with great
acting skills that people do believe them (atleast the 50% that bother to
vote).  Bush said he would not raise taxes, that he would be the EDUCATION
president and that he would be the ENVIRONMENTAL president....none of them
was true....

Now he has another 8 Million dollars to bombard us with ads. about how
he is going to change everything once he gets elected....and enough people
may believe it.... or they will elect Clinton and four years later they
will find disillusion again....  If like Carter, he does dare to try, he
will be sabotaged or worse...

zahir
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Subject:      BITNET/Internet location information

XCULTers,
A complete list of BITNET node locations can be
retrieved by sending the following message (first
message line, not Subject line) to
LISTSERV@BITNIC.BITNET

get nodes info1

The list you receive is sorted by e-mail address.
To get a list sorted by university name, send
another message to the same address:

get nodes info2

For those of you at Internet locations, you
can "telnet" to NIC.DDN.MIL and use the
"whois" command.  NIC.DDN.MIL has an almost
complete list of Internet nodes around the world.
(Its list of users depends on a voluntary registration
process.  It is nowhere near complete and I figure
that it contains many whose accounts
were cancelled long ago.)
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trying to use "whois" so as to get a feeling for
the various prefix symbols one can use on queries.

Oliver Seely
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:44:24 +0200
From:         dacier@LAAS.LAAS.FR
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

>....Any way for a crime like murder death penalty in public would
>be the most suitable one...
>Dilshad Ahmed

I'm sorry but death penalty doesn't seem to have any influence on the
amount of murder commited in a country.

Just look at the statistics from the various countries where death penalty
does not exist anymore.

Anyway, I can understand that you see it as a nice way of scaring people
(it scares me indeed  :-> ) but, in the *real* world, thinks do not seem to
be like you imagine it ! Thus, it isn't worth taking someone's life, even
in public ... :-{

                Marc.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:31:07 -0500
From:         Joe Morris <IS480P02@WCUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: corperationphobia

Date: 01 Sep 1992 10:15:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Phil Gerdes K-State Univ." <PHILG@KSUVM.BITNET>

>>I also see no problem with a manager making a $100,000 to a workers $20,000.
>>I do see a problem with a manager making $3,000,000.00 to a workers $20,000
>>and then when the manager screws up, the worker and his taxes pay to bail out
>>the company!!!!

>If the manager has the power and makes changes that earn the company
>$millions of dollars then he should NOT be paid for his effort?  Why not?

Bcause s/he is NOT the only one bringing in the money!  Yes, the manager does
much to keep a corporation profitable.  But where would s/he be without the
people that work for him!  The other workers earned their pay too, didn't
they?  The profit earned by a company is too "off-balanced".  Maybe if
that manger would share a little bit more of that money with the rest of
the workers, the workers would be more willing to work for the company
and bring in more money.  Granted this idea does not apply to everyone.

______________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:50:29 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      RE:

Dilshad,

In the end, it really does not matter.....Yes Clinton and Bush will both
support Israel or whatever if there is money to be obtained...and the
Jewish Lobby pays a lot of money to both....

Clinton is probably more pro Israel than Bush....it really does not matter.
Israel cannot make peace in the Middle East....Arabs are to Israel as
Russia was to our Defense Industries.....  a money maker.  How can Israel
make peace....they get Billions of dollars in aid that they will not be
able to justify getting if peace came to the Middle East.

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:16:00 EDT
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      F-16's to Taiwan

It was announced today by Bush that approval had been given by his
administration to sell 150 F-16 fighter jets to Taiwan for over
a billion dollars!!!!  (General Dynamics is celebrating, 10,000
Texas voters whose jobs were being threatened are considering casting
their votes for Bush and ofcourse he says politics has nothing to do with it!)

The Question.....  As far as I know, Taiwan (without the jets) has not been
threatened by anyone lately, so why do they need these jets (???) and is it
that rich a country that it can afford spending that kind of monies on jets
and not its people!!!!.....Why would they spend that kind of money?...
Couldn't be a pay off because its not really a democracy, we do not support
dictatorships and we do not bribe other gov'ts or interfere in their internal
decisions....

Is China the enemy?  The one we just granted MOST FAVOURED NATION trading
status to? Is Taiwan afraid of China and needs these jets....?

The media makes it so confusing.... are we selling jets because Taiwan
needs it for self defense, selling them so Taiwanese can keep 10,000
Americans employed, selling them so President Bush can get reelected
.......

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:48:29 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Joe,

Thanks for coming up those figures regarding executive pay and the lowest
paid workers...180:1 in the U.S., 18:1 in Japan and Germany also is quite
low....

Its really not a management problem where it impacts the workers and
taxes and health insurance....  These same Million Dollar executives and
management argues against certain minimum health care benefits or
regulations protecting workers from health risks as costing too much to
the same corporations, that it will result in lay offs and so on....
They can pay themselves millions of dollars and argue that they cannot spend
for benefits for the workers....

And for all those who say there is a trickle down effect...lowering Capital
gains taxes and taxes for the wealthy....well, its trickling into other
countries and not to the workers in the U.S.....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:44:01 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

You may be right that perhaps we should have the death penalty but
the U.S. has already proved that penalties do not deter crime....only the
chances of getting caught.

Zahir
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:24:16 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      F-16's to Taiwan

 From today's Chicago Tribune, page 1, collumn 6, paragraph 6

 "Bush said he had decided the sale of the F-16s would maintain stability in
 Asia.  He said it did not mean the U.S. was signaling any change in its
 relationship with the People's Republic of China"

 Here's another possibility.  Airframes do wear out with use.  Could it be that
 they just need new planes?  If so, is it so terrible that they buy American
 rather that French or former Soviet.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:02:26 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Voicing

Emmy,

Perhaps an offshoot of what you see as "tempers" might be to examine
the expression of frustration and anger in different cultures....

Also an examination of what is seem by some as anger and frustration while
others might see it as simple disagreements....  I do think that sometimes
its very invigorating to get into heated disagreements....

My American friends used to see anger and potential fights when they saw
West Indians and, even Arabs, arguing or disagreeing.. while to the
people involved it was quite commonplace...and nothing to get upset about.

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:08:00 GMT
From:         CLIFF@AUC.EG
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

In Arabic it is:    Kul sana wa inta tayyib
              Lit: Every year and you (be) good!
They sing the same tune as in English but with the words:
                 Sana helwa, ya gamila
                 Sana helwa, ya gamila
                 Sana helwa, ya gamila
                 Sana helwa, ya gamila
          Lit:   Year Sweet, o' beautiful/handsome one

Have fun!
Cliff/The American University in Cairo
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:08:36 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      INTER-RACIAL DATING

Well, here's a topic:

I personally believe inter-racial dating is a beautiful thing, and
knowing that others may feel differently is fine...

Recently, Rev Moon married about 40,000 couples (or is it individuals?)
in the Olympic stadium in Seoul. ALtho' I don't particularly agree that
people who don't know each other, and don't even speak the same
language, should get married right away without knowing each other, I
sort of do agree, that if "races", "cultures" intermarried , perhaps
there'd be more understanding (not necessarily peace) in the world.

I don't belive in the term "race" or that we should classify people in
terms of color. I have had a problem with that since a child.

I have dated people of different backgrounds, and different skin
colors, and wish that there were less societal barriers against
inter-relating. But "cie la vie" (smile). Sooner or later, things are
bound to change. Look how far we've come (not far, granted...but we are
moving!) (smile).

/Emmy
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:12:29 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA
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As I say, everyone is entitled to their view - to agree or disagree.
Nice hearing from you, but you didn't leave a name with regards to
disagreeing with me and Eduardo.

/Emmy
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

hello Zahir..

In U.S the reason why they don't deter crime is because it is not given in
 public
and it depends on what kind of murder it is...they should do it in public
so that whoever has any idea in mind could see the cosequences...


Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:36:39 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Medical

Deborah,

When my mom was in the hospital, I told her to reject any aspirin or
tylenol that the sweet nurse would bring to her...she took her own
aspirin and tylenol...  They were charging 25 cents per tablet (we
have a 100 tablets bottle for under $3).

zahir
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From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
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Happy  Birthday in Greek is Xronia Pola  [Chron' ia  Bo la']

Janet
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:24:35 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: RE:

Prof. Sam Edelman,

Thanks for putting out the AIPAC line..... and the comments on my
antiquated ideas....

Anyway, regarding AIPAC, some books that others may be interested in
reading and making up their own minds about.... (I am not Arab or
Palestinian and started out by looking into the subject... I am also
an agnostic)..

"they dare to speak out"....By Paul Findlay (an excongressman who participated
in our government for 22 years) indicates his and others in the gov't and
their experiences with AIPAC.

"The fateful Triangle"...By Naom Chomsky (professor at MIT) a jewish person

"Israel and the Aparthied State"....Yuri Davis  (ZED Books)

"Israeli Foreign Policy: So. Africa and Central America"...Jane Hunter
                                               (So. End Press)

I can provide a number of other resources, articles and information as
to how AIPAC works...and how it has worked over the past decade... Ofcourse,
some of these are hard to obtain as AIPAC works at lower levels in
putting pressure on publishers and book chains also...

zahir
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE:

Well Zahir...

The reports say regarding the candidates that Bill clinton is a pro jewish
person...and he has expressed to the jewish community that he will support the t
movement for having greater Israel..While Bush is reluctant for this....


Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:17:00 GMT-0200
From:         EDUARDO CHAVES -- UNICAMP <CHAVES@CCVAX.UNICAMP.BR>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

/Emmy:

I am from Campinas, SP, Brazil, and sort of an old timer
on this list, even though I have been quite silent lately.

Thank you for agreeing publicly with what is a rather un-
pnpular view on this list.

Eduardo
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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA
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Eduardo:

Well said. May I ask from where you are from?

/Emmy
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Subject:      Re: More Thoughts
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RE: Counterpart of quote

That is also true. / Emmy
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Greetings Emmy,
  Hello Emmy, my name is Detrix and I am 22. I attend Tennessee State University
. My study is Computer Science(computer telecommunications and networking).
I hope to hear from you soon. Acting and Directing, though, are my career paths.
   ..
... with computers as something to finance my aforementioned career. Keep
in touch!!

Abiento!!!

Your distant new friend.

Detrix
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:53:47 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: RE:

This is the critical issue....Do the Israeli's really believe the $$$
will continue to flow at over a Billion a year if there was peace...
There entire economy is built on war and weapons and U.S. support...
Many in the Gov't do not believe it....Despite the one time only
housing credits on the table....  When the survival of Israel is no
longer in question, will the Jewish Lobby in the U.S. remain strong on
support to that country?

Zahir
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:09:21 EST
From:         LUKH@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

>From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
>
>Well, it may be unpopular among some but there are plenty of silent
>people who may agree but remain silent.

There may also be other silent people, I think, who disagree with your
and Eduardo's "unpopular" view.  I, for example, am one who disagree and
who have tried but failed evidently to remain silent.  Like Zahir, I admire
the strong and the rich, but not without any qualification.  I admire those
who are strong and/or rich because of their competence and expertise.
I despise those who are, in Zahir's words, "obscenely wealthy" and
incompetent.  I despise those who are strong brutally and scandalously.

I am not talking about socialism; but shouldn't and can't something be
done to weaken the obscenely wealthy and the brutally strong?  Can we
hope and work for some improved and enlightening education that might
help us solve our human problems humanistically?  (I mention here
education not because it's a hot topic in this election year, but
because I have much faith in humanisitc education.  Also, there is
to me a difference between enlightening education and professional
training.)

I do not hate, and do not envy, the competent for being competent.  In
fact, I work diligently to excel and be more competent, and I try hard
to learn from the competent.  I never, and will never, hate the good for
being good conscientiously and competently.

May God bless humankind. (I do not use the word mankind for I'm afraid
of being labelled as a sexist!)
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:26:03 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

Dilshad,

I am not a student..... I work at a university in Int'l education... I feel
more comfortable about sharing more if you contact me directly through
E Mail at Bitnet%"Ahmed@dayton".

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:55:20 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

Dilshad,

How do you know Urdu....  I can speak it, not read or write.... I
was born in Hyderabad, India.

Zahir
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