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From: shari@rosevax.rosemount.com (Shari Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dave TWINfield!!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:43:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



This morning at 11:15 (CST), the Minnesota Twins will announce that
they have signed Dave Winfield to a two year $4.4 million contract that
could reach $6.1 mill with incentives. The contract is guaranteed.
Winfield was a two-sport star athlete at the University of Minnesota, which
he attended in the early 70's after graduating from St. Paul Central High
School. He started on the basketball team that won the Big 10 championship
in 1972, and he was an All-American on the baseball team, where one year he
batted over .400, and was 13-1 as a pitcher. Dave was drafted by 4 professional
teams after college - the Padres for baseball, Vikings in football, and 2 
pro hoops teams that I can't remember right now. He played 8 years for the Pads,
before spending 10 tumultuous years with the Yankees.

While at 41, he is one of the oldest players in the game, he is coming off a
great year in Toronto, and his power will fit very well into the metrodome. He
had a number of great games at the dome while with the Yankees, Angels, and Blue
Jays. Winfield will probably hit 5th behine Mack, Knoblauch, Puckett, and Hrbek.
He will most likely reach 3000 hits this year as he only needs 134 more - well
within reach for him if he stays healthy. He most likely will be used as the
DH, but will also play some RF, and may even be tried at 1B when Hrbek needs a
rest. 

Now if we could just get a left handed 3rd baseman, and another lefty starting
pitcher, we'll really be set!!

Way to go Andy and Carl!!!!

WIN TWINS!!!
shari
From: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants OF 2/3 set...
Date: 14 Dec 1992 05:53:05 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

In article <42514@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>
>
>OK, so Bonds is in LF, Dave Martinez in CF.  Will Lewis go away?
>Who will play right; Hosey?  Mark Leonard? Wood?
>
>Any clues?
         I always like Mark Leonard.  I hope the new manager will
give him a chance to play everyday.  However, if Wood or Leonard
get the job, the whole Giants outfield will be all left-handed
hitters, so Hosey may have the inside track....


Edward Hui
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: lopsided OFs(WAS Re: All-Time Astros)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:57:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Dec13.123025.392@otago.ac.nz>  writes:
> Speaking of Jimmy Wynn, the `69 Astros have to have one of the all-time
> lopsided outfields.  J Alou hit .248 with 4 HR and 15 BB, Norm Miller
> hit .264 with 4 HR and 47 BB, while Wynn hit .269 with 33 HR and 148 BB.
> Miller + Alou had 923 AB+BB, 282 H+BB, 107 R and 84 RBI, Wynn had 643 
> AB+BB, 281 H+BB, 113 R and 87 RBI.

The '93 Giants may pull the same sort of stunt

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:41:17 GMT

In article <1g7l1dINN9b1@transfer.stratus.com> gene@bogus.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:
>In article <cubsfan.723966608@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>>Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery 20 wins apiece
>>Pete Smith 15 or so...plus the usual scattering of middle
>>reliever wins.
>
>I'd rather have Gooden, Viola, Cone, Fernandez, Darling from a few years
>back...

Why?

These were the ERAs those 5 had the only full year they were together ('90):

Viola:		2.67
Cone:		3.23
Fernandez:	3.46
Gooden:		3.83
Darling:	4.50

and these are last year's ERAs for the projected Atlanta starters:

P. Smith:	2.05
Maddux:		2.18
Glavine:	2.76
Smoltz:		2.85
Avery:		3.20

and all 5 pitched in excellent hitters' parks.

I know which staff I'd rather have...

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Atlanta pitching
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:11:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.171757.11047@news.acns.nwu.edu> gamble@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bruce Gamble) writes:
>In article <texdude.724523154@cs1.bradley.edu> texdude@cs1.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) writes:

>>If Maddux starts, Glavine could see this as a message that he isn't the
>>  Braves' number one pitcher anymore.
>>If Glavine starts, Maddux could see this as a message that, although he
>>  won the Cy Young, he isn't going to be their number one pitcher.

>>Either way, one of the two is going to get "demoted". 

>Am I the only person that thinks the idea of ranking your starting pitchers
>from 1 to 5 is silly?  It means that somehow Atlanta has to decide whether
>Maddux or Glavine is their "number one" pitcher.  Who cares?
>Other than the symbolic opening day start, does it matter?

>I cringe when I hear comments such as: "We will be using Hibbard as
>our 4th or 5th starter, but no higher."  The implication is that if you
>made Hibbard the "2nd or 3rd starter" you would be thrusting him
>into a role that he couldn't handle.  The problem of course, is that
>his job wouldn't change (go out every 5th day and pitch as well as you can).

In general, I agree with your sentiment, but there is one way in which
it does matter.  The number 5 pitcher often pitches very erratically,
schedule-wise.  He often misses starts due to off days, for instance.
Also, the higher the starter is, the more starts he tends to get.

Otherwise, calling someone a #1 or #4 starter makes no difference,
you're right.  Except for comparison purposes.  If Greg Hibbard is your
second or third best starter, you are in big trouble, IMO.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Is it too early to start making predictions for 1993?
niepornt@phoenix.    | Probably, but that never stopped me before.
   princeton.edu     | ALE: Baltimore ALW: Chicago NLE: Montreal NLW: Atlanta
Baltimore Orioles 93 | AL MVP: Cal Ripken  AL Cy Young: Mike Mussina
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jjd@cray.com (Jeff Drummond)
Subject: Re: Stupidest rule in baseball (perhaps a new one)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:44:03 CST

In article <1992Dec14.095959.9485@walter.cray.com> mb@cray.com (Maynard Brandt) writes:
>
>Anybody got a good book to recommend on baseball rules changes (I am
>especially interested in why the rules were changed) over the years?

_Total_Baseball_II_ has a section which summarizes all the rule changes
since sometime in the 1800's.  It doesn't always say _why_ a rule was
changed, but you can often figure it out.

>Maynard Brandt
>Cray Research, Inc.

-Jeff    jjd@cray.com
-- 
"If you open yourself to the rule book
you are at one with the rule book 
and you can use it completely." 
-Lao "Lefty" Tzu in _The_Tao_of_Baseball_, Chapter 23.
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: All-Time St. Louis Browns Team
Organization: Little Brown Squids of St Louis
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:35:51 GMT

But Dr Dave! You forgot the Browns' star pinch hitter!

Lance, who won't even bother attaching his .sig to a one line post
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Maynard Ex Ante
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:05:19 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec18.153206.1989@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>  
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
> In <1gsk97INNt3t@transfer.stratus.com>  
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
> Yes you are partially right. There is hard evidence that is  
objective.  
> However unless the predictive process does work exactly we cannot
> call it objective.  Non-objective is better than subjective in this 
> case.

This part of the debate is turning into a semantic argument, but
you seem to be confusing "objective" with "exact." There are
many objective things which are not exact.  I can measure the
size of the side of my house to within about half an inch.
Objective: yes. Exact: no.  In a physics experiment, I can
calculate the trajectory of an electron beam, again with some
small chance of error. Again, objective, but not exact.


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Who are the best pitchers of our generation?
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:31:55 GMT

Gooden one of the best players of our generation? One (or two)
seasons does not a generation make...Gooden other than a couple
seasons (1984 and 85) is mediorcre at best...an OK third starter
when heathly...


--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

NOTICE:  I lose this account in a few days, so *please* direct all replies
to my new address: --->>   cubsfan@oread.cc.ukans.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:41:43 GMT

In article <YDS=3KB@engin.umich.edu> dorian@engin.umich.edu (Young W Kim) writes:
>
>	You know what, I'd much rather take Met's 88 staff over their 90,
>and maybe even Brave's next year's staff. If I recall correctly, that
>year, Gooden, Cone, Ojeda, Darling and Sid put together some very nice
>numbers. Anyone have actual stats? If it wasn't for Orel's Godlike
>performance, Mets would have won that years world series IMHO (I know, 
>I'm wishing)

ERA-wise:

Cone:		2.22
Ojeda:		2.88
Fernandez:	3.00
Gooden:		3.19
Darling:	3.25

It's close, but I might be tempted to take the Braves staff, particularly
because Cone started the season in the bullpen (which might partially explain
his low ERA), and neither Ojeda nor Fernandez pitched the entire season.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: Mason/Maddux trade
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Mets, Padres
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:46:00 GMT

In article <18DEC199213242338@scsuc.ctstateu.edu>, aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes...
>I read in the papers today that the Mets trades pitchers Roger Mason and Mike 
>Freitas to San Diego for pitcher Mike Maddux.
> 
>How did the Mets acquire Mason?  Didn't they sign him as a free agent a few 
>weeks ago?  If that is the case, isn't it downright weird that they would or 
>even could trade him away like that?

	As I've said since the Tony Fernandez trade - McIlvane owes
the Mets one for leaving us saddled with Harazin.
	You see, Mike Maddux is actually a *good* middle reliever.  I
just checked out his stats for the past 2 years, and they're better 
than Mason's in every way possible.
	Say it again - Al Harazin makes a good trade.  Yikes!  Mason
was signed as a free agent a few months back, but if we can turn
him into Maddux, I am actually sort of happy.

>Ed Aboufadel
> 
							Jason Miller
							"some doctor guy"
He actually did it.  Harazin made a trade that made *sense*.  Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper)
Subject: Re: Regional sites
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:05:15 GMT

> A simple questions

>   1.  What schools are trying for a regional site?

>   2.  How are the Siges picked?

>   3.  When do schools apply for a site?

>Thanks

Baseball regional site selections are announced about two weeks before the
regionals are to occur.  Schools and/or communitites place bids with the
NCAA.  I believe that the bids are guarantees to the NCAA that the regional
will make X amount of money for the NCAA.  I would imagine that the 
bids are placed sometimes shortly (a week or so) before the sites are
announced.  I would imagaine that in making the selections, the site
selection committee takes several things into consideration, the AMOUNT
OF THE BID, the geographical location, the host teams record, the
local facilites such as hotel accommodations, stadium, and etc., in the 
case of a team within a conference--whether or not other teams in that
conference are to be hosting a regional, and a few other things.

Hope this answers your questions...

"We got some DOGS up in here, Woof!, Woof!"  Go dawgs!

Mississippi State to the CWS in 93!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: AUBURN RULES
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:51:11 GMT

Yeah, dream on Wagman. We kicked your butt in football and we
will annihilate you in baseball. And then we'll come burn down
the "prettiest city on the plains."

Kay Jones
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Regional sites
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:55:46 GMT
	<RandyL.24.724431915@MCES.MsState.Edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

I still haven't seen whether they have decided to go to 16,
4-team regionals or not.  Come one February!
--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Indiana State
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:32:41 GMT

They play baseball at Indiana State.  Huh, never heard of them.  Thought
they closed the school after Bird left.  



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From: tom@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Tom Evers)
Subject: Re: Regional sites
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:59:29 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec14.145419.573@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>
>   1.  What schools are trying for a regional site?
>   2.  How are the Siges picked?
>   3.  When do schools apply for a site?
 
 Hmmm... Good question(s).  It seems that the sites are always picked from
 the contenders late in the season and that the sites are usually picked
 so as to bring in the most money.  I seem to remember a few years ago, one 
 of the regionals was held at Texas A&M and another of the regionals was at
 the University of Texas.  I hope someone knows the answer, cause I can't
 handle the 4 month cliffhanger.  Oh well, why should I worry, there's
 almost always a regional in Austin.  Hope to see you Shockers in the
 CWS again this year, too.  Hook'em Horns!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Regional sites
From: dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:54:19 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

 A simple questions

   1.  What schools are trying for a regional site?

   2.  How are the Siges picked?

   3.  When do schools apply for a site?

Thanks


_____________________________________________________
Go Shocks!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Subject: Re: Indiana State
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.213241.5464@ra.msstate.edu> wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:


   They play baseball at Indiana State.  Huh, never heard of them.  Thought
   they closed the school after Bird left.  


Didn't ISU play in a regional in Starkville, MS 2 or 3 years ago?  It
seems like I remember some players drinking... er ummmm... baseball
water at our trailer after they were eliminated.

--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: AUBURN RULES
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:49:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Dec18.192455.29488@ra.msstate.edu> wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>THE AUBURN TIGERS RULE IN SEC BASEBALL AND WILL SPOIL THE 
>MISSISSIPPI STATE BULLYUPPIES FARCE OF A SUPERBULLYUPPIE
>WEEKEND CELEBRATION WITH A THREE-GAME SWEEP!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>

 Well, well, well..looks like someone forgot to log off here...

Scott
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From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: AUBURN RULES
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:55:28 GMT

In article <BzH368.DsG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.192455.29488@ra.msstate.edu> wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>>THE AUBURN TIGERS RULE IN SEC BASEBALL AND WILL SPOIL THE 
>>MISSISSIPPI STATE BULLYUPPIES FARCE OF A SUPERBULLYUPPIE
>>WEEKEND CELEBRATION WITH A THREE-GAME SWEEP!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, well, well..looks like someone forgot to log off here...
>
>Scott
>

 And to add to what I had to say, I'd be willing to bet that the Indiana St.
Sycamores would sweep Auburn also..

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: AUBURN RULES
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:24:55 GMT

THE AUBURN TIGERS RULE IN SEC BASEBALL AND WILL SPOIL THE 
MISSISSIPPI STATE BULLYUPPIES FARCE OF A SUPERBULLYUPPIE
WEEKEND CELEBRATION WITH A THREE-GAME SWEEP!!!!!!!!!
From: frank@.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: And the winner is ...,
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:16:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems



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From: RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper)
Subject: Grisham donates $100K to MSU Baseball
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:13:03 GMT

The local news from the Mississippi State University area announced 
yesterday that best-selling author John Grisham donated $100,000 to the
Mississippi State University baseball program for upgrades to Dudy Noble
Field.  The money is to be used to build an indoor practice facility 
under the stadium--behind the visitor's dugout.  

In previous surveys of college baseball coaches done by Baseball America,
MSU's stadium has been ranked as the 2nd best college baseball facilities
in the USA--second only to Hawaii's Rainbow Stadium.

The new additions funded by _THE FIRM_, author John Grisham may propel
Dudy Noble Field into the Number 1 college baseball stadium in the
country!

Grisham is a big fan of Mississippi State baseball.  His best-selling
books include, _A TIME TO KILL_, _THE FIRM_, and _THE PELICAN BRIEF_.

Go Dawgs!  MSU to the CWS in '93!
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Regional sites
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Dec14.145419.573@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>
> A simple questions
>
>   1.  What schools are trying for a regional site?

In December?  The only trying going on now would be enlarging a stadium 
and improving the team so they can make the playoffs next spring.

(Hey, it is only about 6 weeks to opening day!)

>   2.  How are the Siges picked?

By a committee, just as the teams are assigned to a regional by a committee.

Criteria include 

 * Team will qualify for a regional slot (but not necessarily the #1 seed).
   This means, given when the selection is made (before the conf. tourneys 
   are done), that the team must be a lock for a slot even if they lost in 
   an early round of the conference tourney.  Thus these teams tend to be 
   highly ranked, say top 16, if not favorites. 

 * Money guaranteed to the NCAA.  It was clear from info shared here last 
   spring that the amount varied a lot from site to site and that some 
   schools were beat out by ones with a smaller guarantee because of 

 * Regional balance.  The sites should be spread around the country so 
   travel costs are kept down and fans can go to games.  The lower seeds 
   usually play somewhere near home, in their region.  However, this is 
   liberally interpreted because the density of good teams is not uniform. 
   I think the East region has been held in Maine and Miami, for example.  

 * Quality of facility also matters -- is it a good field with nice stands? 
   We had a team here at FSU last year whose largest crowd all season, for 
   games at home or on the road, was 900.  No player pictures on their 
   scoreboard, I'll bet! 

>   3.  When do schools apply for a site?

Within a week or so before their announcement.  Remember, the host team has 
to make the tournament, so none of this can take place until (roughly) the 
season is over and the conference tourneys are set.  Basically, from what 
I have gleaned from articles about the process in our local paper (where 
this is of interest because FSU has hosted regionals but does not have a 
lock on one like Miami has), the application focuses on the amount of 
the guarantee and the features of the facility -- but the NCAA also knows 
a bit of history such as whether guest teams were happy and whether people 
came to the games even when the host team was not playing or lost early. 

>Go Shocks!!!

Since you are at a place with a long history, the best way to learn more 
would be to walk in and ask your A.D. 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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