From: riouxp@rs6320.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: Major inconsistencies in BatB....
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:48:21 GMT

ok, i just got BatB on vidoecassette, and i have seen the attept to find all of
the iconsistencies in the movie. I figured that I would watch it once... just to find the inconsistencies. well, I think that 8 or 9 have been found total....
I found 7 PLOT errors.. and i haven't counted technical errors, but I think that i have over 60... this should close the book on them, and start the flames on alladin.. i can start the list with 7-10...not sure.. we will see if i remember a couple more by the time i finish typing.....well, on with the (master) list...


i will take any and all "flames" at my e-mail adress... riouxp@rpi.edu, and don't read on, unless you want to see the "spoilers"... warning has been given..


but just to show that i am not as heartless as it seems, here are some interesting observations.... 

did anybody notice the shooting star in b+b, must have been aladdin and jasmine..

anybody notice the kinder, gentler reference?

and last of all, notice how many times cogworth says no?... kind of interesting, considering he is a clock...

notice the signpost, two of the towns are anehiem and valencia.. not french...


just a couple of things that i noticed...... on with the list... i will try to keep them in semi chronological order.. easier to check them by.....

(i know that some of these have been said before, but to make a master list...)

plot errors.....

1. the prince has to break the spell by his 21st year.. but they have been in there for 10 years already...

2. how could the castle go unnoticed for 10 years...?

3. don't say the picture was of his father.. same age as the stained glass..

4. the seasons change from fall to spring in less than a week...

5. how could philipe find his way back to the castle.. having never been there?

6. the lenghth of time it takes to get to the castle changes dramatically...

7. if luminere really wanted to take out the invaders, why not take thier leader?

ok, now for the technical inconsistencies...
the scene before the title cut....

1. the picture of the prince in the beginning was shredded from the left eye almost horizontal, later, it was shredded along the whole picture, and it was shredded diagonally, not horizontally...

2. check the rose.. the #of leaves keep changing... and so does thier location... it starts out with 2, then 1 when the beast lets belle go.. after the ballroom scene.. and finally, it ends up with three.. in the last scene..

3. notice, the west wing is left out to the open, but then when beast is taking his bath, it is closed, then it opens again....

just after the title cut.. the song sequence...

4. the door on the cottage...when belle comes out to go to town.. opens in, then when she lets gaston out, it opens, out...

5. notice the water wheel on the side.. with the pool of water.. later when lefou is standing there, there isn't any evidence of water... ever..

6. notice the well in front of the cottage?.... it isn't there later on in the movie...

7. notice the bag the lefou puts the goose in.. it vanishes, then re-appears..

8. notice the color when it does re-apper... first it is tan.. dissapers, then gey, then tan again..

9. the book that belle got?... does it have pictures, or not... or is gaston just blind....?

10. notice, at the conclusion of "belle", the song, belle is at the edge of town, then when gaston starts to talk to her, they are in the middle, then they are at the edge... without moving...

11. notice the location of the house relative to town.... it changes...

the scene where marice gets the invention ready...

12. when maurice jumps out of the barrel, his boxers were "printed", printed cloth doesn't come out for a few hundred years...

13. notice the location of the stove on the invention.. first it is in front, then it is on the side when chip is on it...

the first castle scene...

14. notice cogsworth's wig... when he jumps, it jumps, you can see it come off his head (as a clock) every once in a while.. but when muarice turns him upside down, it doesn't fall off...

15. he never put cogwoth down.. how did he get down?

16. when cogswoth falls down the stairs, he loses his gears.. what happened to them in the next scene?

17. notice chip's contents, he never empties.. then he is epty anyways, then has some more in him later.. with maurice, and belle...

18. notice the staircase... at the bottom, the banister has some decoration... the winged animals... then later iot has beasts when belle is walking down to dinner, and even later, it has it has the beasts, holding up pillars...

19. notice, when cogworth is run down by the coffe cart, he is on red carpet, then he is on yellow getting up...

20. notice the location of the chair, it changes throughout the scene, and nobody moves it...

21. notice the whole rug.. the pattern keeps on changing... first, the middle is only big enough for two chairs, then it gets bigger and smaller when the beast comes...

now, the scene where gaston proposes....

22. notice everybody but the baker is sillhuetted..

23. when gaston opens the door.. he laeves it open.. but it is shut when belle lets him out.. 

24. what happened to the hole in gaston's sock?

the scene where belle takes her father's place....

25. in the recording.. wnna..wanna stay in the tower.. recording error?

back to town.....

26. another printed pair of boxers....

27. just after the incredibly thick neck, notice the beer mugs.. they are gone..

28. notice the size of gastons head... in relation to the spitoon... later on, in the payoff scene.. gaston is about to hit lefou.. then lefou's head can easily fit in a mug...

29. count the number of eggs that go up, then come down... for gaston, 5 and 6, lefou.. god knows how many, then 1... another one.. and 3 more...

30. check the location of the chair throughout the whole scene.. it changes... w/o anybody moving it..

31. notice the baerskin rug.. it is there, then isn't, then is there again...

back at the castle...

32. notice the red band on the cfloor, just in front of the fireplace.. it vanishes, then reappears...

33. how can cogworth reach the door handle?

34. what happens to the plaster pieces that fall on luminere?... they vanish...

35. the coloring of the bed coving changes color.. green?... grey... green...

36. where did the cabinet with the dishes in be our guest come from?

37. notice the mugs.. when they are singing all in perfect taste, they are full, they they have only one full one, then half of them are full, then they are all full again....

38. where did the spotlights come from?... they aren't around for a while...

then the scene just after be our guest.....

39. watch the number of steps when cogworth and lumiere stop belle, none, then two, and nobody moved..

40. where did belle got her cape?.. on the way from the west wing?

the fight scene...

41. notice where the beast is bitten.... on the shoulder... then he has the cut on the arm....

42. spaeking of the wolf bite.. notice how they all went for the shoulder?... right at the beginning, when all of them come at once... how could they all fit?

the bribe scene....

43. lefou pulls the mug of beer off of his face.. beer sprays everywhere... then when he covers his head with it, there is none left...

back to the castle....

44. the infamous oatmeal scene.. beast has a dirty face, then clean, then dirty again....


45. notice the chair that lumiere is in.. the legs don't look too sturdy.. but it isn't broken...

46. just after b+b notice how all of the snow is melted....

47. check the rose table it's different...

the "kill the beast scene....

48. about the tree, notice the branches... then when they are knocking down the door, there is no trace of any....

49. when the objects are going down the stairs did anybody notice the mop with the lampshade on it's head..?

50. when the chest "eats the man, notice in the background, on the pillar, the shadow of a man, hitting himself over the head....

51. footstool, the dog, takes lefou's shoe, then he has it on, then he loses it again...

the encore 1 on 1...

52. notice outside the rose room... no roof till beast is pushed off....

53. you can see the rain pounding on belle and the beast, but nobody else...

54. where does the arrow the goston put in the beast go?

now some that i noticed ater... sorry.. 

54. when the beast looks in the mirror for the first time... whada.. whaddoes she want me to do, beg?....another recording error..

55. what happened to everybody else (other than cogwoth)... when lumiere was holding thier hand.. the heat from the flame must have been bad...



well, that is all that i have for b+b, now to start with aladdin..

1. notice the color of sand at the cave of wonders...it changes.. white to brown to white.. hmmm....

2. the amulet.. has two indents at one point...

3. what about the stairway going in?...it fills the throat...wall to wall..then later, it is just a single width....

4. where does abu hide the lamp, it is almost as big as he is...

5. when aladdin is falling, where is he knocked out?.. he gunts after the first hit, then the carpet catches him...

6. the color of aladdin's jewel changes throughout the movie...

7. the motion of the tower isn't real...

8. the color of jafar's cape keeps changing... red to purple.. maroon...

9. the moon... from full, to new.. in the "whole now world" scene...



thank you for your attentiveness... and keep me posted on any others that you find...

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