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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Cypres -misinformation
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To: skydive@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:48:42 GMT

Reply-to: Ed@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Ed)
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Richard A Boucher Jr writes;
r> Somebody mentioned that Tom Piras didn't activate his CYPRES because of
r> fear that it would deploy while floating.
r> Does anyone know of a documented instance of a CYPRES doing this?  FXCs,
r> sure, but CYPRESs? I thought I remembered reading somewhere recently that no such problems have been encountered by CYPRES users...
 
Recently, I wrote that I've witnessed two misfires. "One an FXC, the other
a Cypres". This is not true, I meant to say Sentinel. Sorry for the typo.
 I also said that Mr. Piras no doubt had his reasons for having it turned off
at the time, whatever that reason may have been. However It was not I who stated said he had a fear of a misfire while floating. My point was, and is that AAD's havent convinced me yet that they are reliable enough to use with multiple jumpers in the air, except students, and thier jumpmasters--
No doubt they will (and possibly have-Cypress?) evolve to become reliable,
affordable.  I'm just not convinced yet.  Also, I struggle with the thought
of our sport becoming sterilized with gadgets that remove the risks, which
makes Skydiving exciting, & allowing people who dont trust thier abilities
and equipment into the sport, making it more like a Carnival Ride.  Remove
the risks, and you remove the excitement, as well as a closeness, & bonding
of a breed of people who sometimes share the edge with each other.
Ever try to talk about Skydiving at WUFFO party?   -Pull your own ripcord.
           - DE.

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From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Subject: Re: tandem skysurfing
Reply-To: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Munich
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:41:42 GMT



|> 
|> Shee, what a concept!  Can you tell us where you saw the photo?  I'd love to
|> get a copy. 

	Hope you didn't misunderstand me( you can blame my english teacher ;-{  ) 
	It's nothing to do with tandem jumps; both wore their own rigs and
	it looked like this:

	___|___|___  whereas a 'normal' skysurfer would look like ____|____
	
	The photo has been shot by renowned french cameraman Francois Rickard.
 	It's in the last issue of the german skydiving magazine 'Blue Sky'.

								helmut 
From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:12:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Russian Gear
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

From /rec.skydiving / fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu (Brandon France) /  3:29 pm  Dec 15, 1992 /
>I'm curious, what kind of gear do the Russians use? Do they import all their
>gear and use western stuff or do they manufacture their own?  If they do 
>make their own gear, who does it compare to what is on the market over here?
>
>Brandon France

Most of the Russians/ex-Soviets jump gear that are "home-made" versions
of Western gear.  Lacking the availability of the same materials, the rigs
tend to be bulkier.  Some members of the National teams were able to 
obtain donated gear from Relative Workshop, Northern Lite, Para-flite, 
Glide Path, and Air Time Designs.  The non-western rigs usually had
a delta-wing ("Dactyl") as a reserve.  Jumpers packed their own reserves.

Russian manufactured gear is pretty primitive.  A B-4 type harness/container
for a very bulky square main with a belly-wart reserve (unmodified round).

Almost all ex-Soviet competitors prefered very snively openings.  They 
pack with the brakes *un-stowed*.  It's not unusual to see a jumper
dump and watch the parachute streamer for 500-1000' before the jumper
pulled down on the toggles to get the canopy flying.  Of course, this
made the canopy surge and maximum separation is a must. 

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
From: randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: 1ST JUMP QUESTION:THA
Date: 25 Dec 92 13:21:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318
Reply-To: randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) 

To: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)

AB Not necessarily.  The order form allows you to specify which.  My Racer Elite
AB has a throw-out but because of camera-work I've converted to a pull-out.
AB I prefer a throw-out.

I jump a pull-out, but why do you say a pull-out is preferable for
camera work?

 -- SPEED 1.3g #1056: Yes my son, long ago mail was read 1 packet at a time.
        
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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Deland or Z-hills??
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:51:56 GMT

Hello again fellow netters !  I have a question.  I will be in Orlando, FL
on January 9th and 10th, 1993.  I would appreciate advice on which DZ to visit;
Deland or Z-Hills.  I've never been to either, so I'm wondering about prices
and jumpships.  Thanks in advance.

From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:41:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Strong vs Vector
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

In article by / Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee) /  3:39 pm  Dec 13, 1992 /: 

> I spent a lot of time and travel gathering experience before I bought my own
> Tandem Rig.  There is quite a difference between the two systems, and I'm
> sure a variety of opinion.  I'd like to hear it.

Disclaimer: I am not a tandem pilot nor do I play one on TV.  My exposure
to tandems is from making videos of tandem jumps (pun intended).  Also
"some of my best friends are tandem pilots."

Here are my impressions:

	- Vector rigs look nicer packed up.
	- Vector rigs force the tandem pair to be head down 
	  because of the drogue attachment point.  Videos have to be 
	  made "looking up" unless the pilot is really with it.
	- Again because of the drogue attachment point, tandem pairs
	  can experience the infamous "Vector rock."  A heads up tandem
	  pilot can usually correct this problem.
	- The layout for handles on a Strong rig are more comfortable - 
	  however I think this is due more to what a pilot is used to.

That's it for now.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:04:24 GMT
Subject: Re: 1ST JUMP QUESTION:THA
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

In article: / randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) /  5:21 am  Dec 25, 1992 /

> I jump a pull-out, but why do you say a pull-out is preferable for
> camera work?

I wear a camera suit with a large wing.  With a throw-out the pouch 
on the leg strap is behind the wing.  When I pull, the wing collapses 
and makes it difficult to grab the throw-out handle.  There is also 
a slight chance that the throw-out may snake through the leg strap opening
of the wing.

I considered keeping the throw-out and adding a pouch to the bottom of the
container.  I went with the pull-out conversion since it is "cleaner."
I haven't had a problem with finding the pud on the pull-out but I 
still occasionally have pilot chute hesitation when I release the pilot
chute before I get it into clean air.  After >1200 jumps with a throw-out, 
old habits are hard to break.

Not all camera-jumpers use a pull-out - it's definately a personal
preference.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: How far is Sky Dive City from Tampa??
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:13:42 GMT

It is about 1.5 hours from Tampa.  Following a map it was essentially 1)drive
east 45 minutes, drive north 40 minutes drive east 15 minutes or so.  Skydive
City is open 7 days a week, you'll have a blast!
Bobby Magee
D-371
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca
From: geoffc@zebedee.uucp (Geoffrey Coan)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Distribution: world
Organization: Geoffrey Coan (disorganisation)
Subject: Re: Open Canopy GIF files
Reply-To: geoffc@zebedee.uucp
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 16:35:34 GMT

In <1992Dec30.200350.8589@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, Jim Beutel writes:
>Hi Gang.
>
>We all have seen the gif files available on skydive.eng.ufl.edu
>Most all these files are of free fall or relative work. Am curious
>if anyone has seen any decent gif files of open canopies, CRW, or
>landings.....?
>
Can I expand on this question please and ask if there is anywhere with
skydiving pictures that has a mail server as I don't have FTP access.

>Thanks.
>Jim
>
Also, thanks

Geoffrey

>-------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From: randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Pull time safety
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318
Reply-To: randy.scott@filebank.cts.com (Randy Scott) 

I was talking to a guy at the DZ last week about who's at fault in an
canopy/jumper collision at pull time.  His position was, "the low man
has the right of way, so it's the high guy's fault".  I say, "O.K.,
but why did the low guy pull into the high guy's face?"

Actually it's not so simple.  I think it's _very_ difficult to see
directly above your back at pull time.  About the only people you may
see aren't a danger to you 'cause they're off to the side.

My experience show's me that who's at fault in a collision depends a
great deal on who was more experienced, and who lived.  The survivor
and the more experienced jumper usually end up being judged as
"in the right".  If the skygod was low man in a collision, the other
jumper, "tracked through his canopy".  If he was the high man the other
jumper, "dumped in his face".

Any comments?  How can we define the responsibilities more clearly and
improve safety during openings?
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From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: tandem skysurfing
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Munich




	Recently a saw a picture of a tandem skysurf (man and woman).
	Does anybody know who does it? I wonder if it worked equally
	well on snow...

			helmut
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From: "philip jones" <philip.jones@canrem.com>
Subject: f a q (instructor aided d
Reply-To: "philip jones" <philip.jones@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:30:51 EST

BB>   Don't most S/L DZ's use a hanging exit?

NOPE.  Did my first S/L jump here in Canada 6 years ago doing a poised.

BB>We do -- usually people fall when they are trying to swing off of the
BB>step. What I hate is the ones who start handing before they get past
BB>the end of the step, and WHACK their arm on the step when they DO let
BB>go.

Maybe the hanging exit would of helped the first jump student at my DZ who 
lost his two front teeth on the step of a C182.  The first jump here is a 
level 1 AFF jump with 2 instructors, this guy didn't PUSH at all with his 
arms he just hopped off the step and went straight down onto it.  He was 
quite a mess when he landed, looked much worse than it was.

BB>Hanging exits seems less prone to "new student error" than poised exit

I agree totally. (see above)

Hope all you jumpers in OZ are having a great summer, just too much snow 
and too damn cold here!!! (whimper, whine etc.)

Phil
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From: egyed@lns598.tn.cornell.edu (Zoltan Egyed)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Freestyle camp
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:57:52 -0500
Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY  14853
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lns572.tn.cornell.edu

Does anyone know about the next freestyle training camp?
I've heard somewhere that Tamara may have another WTS camp
in June, but I don't know how accurate that is.
The previous one there was damn good. Anyone knows about it
more accurately?

  Zoltan Egyed
From: davis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Brad Davis)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:08:30 GMT
Subject: Wisconsin skydiving? brrr
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

Greetings. I back-searched for the listing of DZ's that 'bounced' 
around this mailing-list sometime back but couldn't find it.
Thus, I would like to know if any skydiving-subscribers in the
southern Wisconsin, northwestern Illinois region know what the
opened/closed days are for any DZ's in that area during the 
holidays. I'm going back for Christmas and would like to get 
some jumping in. I'm not even sure that any places are open this
time of year but I'd appreciate any information. Merry Christmas.

b. elvis davis
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Subject: Re: Music while jumping
Reply-To: hstoecklin@munich.enet.dec.com (Helmut Stoecklin)
Organization: Digital Equipment GmbH, Munich
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:29:12 GMT


In article <1992Dec22.200809.8706@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

|> 
|> For that matter, what would you all take with you while jumping?  I was all
|> cued up on "Learning to Fly" when the machine crapped out on me.  The time
|> before that, I had some new age synth stuff whose name currently escapes
|> me.

	
	Metallica ('and justice for all') on my first one, because I'm 	
	terribly grumpy in the mornings.
	And one of the Black Crowe albums for a sunset jump at DeLand
	or Z'hills (can't imagine any better...).

	helmut
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: lonhyn@gulag.nas.nasa.gov (Lonhyn T. Jasinskyj)
Subject: Re: s
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: lonhyn@nas.nasa.gov

In article <4190020@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr) writes:
|> 
|> Somebody mentioned that Tom Piras didn't activate his CYPRES because of fear
|> that it would deploy while floating.
|> 
|> Does anyone know of a documented instance of a CYPRES doing this?  FXCs, sure,
|> but CYPRESs?
|> 
|> I thought I remembered reading somewhere recently that no such problems have
|> been encountered by CYPRES users...
|> 

I guess people WILL believe anything.

I just heard that everyone who has ever tried freestyle frapped last weekend.
Is that really true?

-l

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Fatality
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 04:07:01 GMT

A Japanese jumper went in at Cal City, CA, USA, following a canopy 
collision @200 ft. He cut away, no further details.

A local jumper who was coaching Japanese students reported the 
incident, which occured sometime in the last couple of days, not sure
when.

That's all I know.

Tim :-(

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: gadams@ph2.uni-koeln.de (Gunnar Adams)
Subject: Need Info on cheap Florida Motels
Organization: Institute of Theoretical Physics, University of Cologne, F. R.
	Germany
Distribution: rec
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:23:19


Hi,

We (14 members of the Institute of Applied Physics, Cologne University) have
been invited by an former colleague to watch the launch of the space shuttle
Columbia around the 25th of February. 
We need infos on any cheap motel chains or motels in the Cocoabeach area. We
would like to get the telephone or fax numbers of any motel you could 
recommend. Also we would like to stay in the Orlando and Miami areas.
Currently we calculate a motel price per room (2 beds) below $40. Is this a
realistic assumption?

We will get a bus pass for viewing the shuttle launch. Does anyone know of a
service where we could rent a bus and driver for approx. 16 persons?

Please reply directly via e-mail.

Thank you very much,

	Gunnar Adams

Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.skiing
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Re: Skiing Steamboat Springs, Colorado
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.
Followup-To: rec.skiing

In article <1992Dec29.232158.14757@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, smith@jupiter.jsc.nasa.gov (damon smith 283-4050) writes:
|> I am going to Steamboat Springs, Colorado in mid March for a few days of 
|> skiing.  I'd like to know about other attractions, good restaurants, etc.
|> that are there.  I here there is a sleigh ride out to a U.S. reserve for
|> elk.  That sounds pretty fun.  Any information will be appreciated.
|> 

	I was there in February, so I doubt too much has changed.
	Pizza: Mazzola's has great buffet, it's not on the mountain,
		but it's still good.
	Steamboat Seafood Company: good dinner place, again, not on
		the mountain.
	There's a mexican food place in Ski Time Square that serves some
	mean Margarita. (on the mountain)
	Ptarmingan restaurant used to have a good after ski happy hour.

	Non-Skiing Activities:
	In the town of Steamboat, near the post office is some natural
	hot springs/water slide complex. This is a great place to relax
	the muscles after a day of skiing.

	I don't anything about the Sleigh ride, but go for it. March is
	a BUSY BUSY TIME there. I lived there about ten years ago for
	a ski season and that month has about 10 times as many skiers as
	other times of the year. The mountain/lifts handle it well, but
	competition for eating out is tough. EAT OUT EARLY and you'll
	do fine.

	Steamboat is one of the best places to ski in the world. The powder
	skiing in the TREES(what ever you do, don't miss skiing in the trees,	
	I think the best run is called "Shadows") is unmatched anywhere. Not
	surprisingly, you can ski the trees and not see other skiers, even
	in March. Another good strategy for skiing Steamboat during March
	is to make the "Rope Drop" on 9am at the restaurant on top, most
	"March-skiers" usually are still sleeping, and you can get a couple of
	hours of uncrowded skiing in before everyone else get there.

	Use the bus system there and leave your car parked, you'll be glad 
	you did.

	-dewey
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers)
Subject: Re: Suggestions needed for least expensive travel...
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:01:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.161038.17447@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mahadev@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Vadali Mahadev) writes:
>
>Hi Netters:
>
>I and my gir friend are  planning a trip to Florida from W. Lafayette, 
>Indiana.  The places I want to see include, Orlando, Cocoa Beach, Daytona 
>Beach, Kennedy Space Center and Florida Keys.  Now the information I need:
>
>* Are there any airlines that dont charge extra for flying into one city
>  and leaving from another?  Does Continental allow that if I use the student 
>  travel vouchers?
>
>* Are there any car rental companies that allow drop off at another airport
>  at no extra charge?  If there is an extra charge how much would it be?
>
In about 1985, I got a fly/Drive deal through one of the airlines.  With
the deal we were able to fly to San Francisco rent a car, drive to LA,
and fly home from there.  No drop off charge, and a round trip ticket
price for the plane.  Do airlines still have these?

I have flown into one city and out of another for a round trip
ticket several times.  It is called an Open Jaw.  I tryed this with
a Continental student travel voucher last year, on USAir, and they did
not allow it, it says so on the voucher, I think.
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Job information needed for London England
Date: 25 Dec 92 06:54:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec25.065414.24386
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I'm planning to join my husband in England while he attends school.  I'm
interested in working while he pursues his studies.  
I'm a Chinese passport holder and have an accounting degree.  Where would
I be able to get a job?

Thank you

Zong mama
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ltracewe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lori A Tracewell)
Subject: TRAVEL IN CANCUN?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:26:22 GMT

 I am taking an organized trip by Jose Cuervo to Cancun for the superbowl 
weekend.  We were placed in the Merimar hotel. Does anyone have information on 
that hotel?
Newsgroups: rec.travel,boulder.general,co.general,misc.forsale
From: kamil@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Kamil Maheshwari)
Subject: Multi-optional Air ticket : FOR SALE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:13:21 GMT


===============================================================

I have a multi-optional ticket on North West Airlines which is
fully transferable. You can use this ticket(s) anytime you want.
There are no black out dates. Therefore they're good for last 
minute travel plans. (I think) they are good for atleast a year.
This is what its good for:


	    ONE roundtrip ticket to Europe (any time)

			      OR

	TWO roundtrip tickets anywhere in the continental U.S.

			      OR

	FOUR one-way tickets anywhere in the continental U.S.


For the options and freedom of flying at the last minute this
ticket will go to anyone offering $900/OBO. Please reply ONLY 
if you're serious and with your offer. I'd reply within reasonable 
time.

kamil.

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