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From: pki@ipsa.reuter.com (Phil King)
Subject: Re: khat
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:01:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.072517.12157@mtu.edu> njenrigh@mtu.edu (Nick Enright) writes:
>
>Ive heard that it is quite a bit more powerful than Crystal meth.
>
>only rumors so far but i hear that it was produced at mtu?
>
>bassically i hear that it gives you a decent speed trip but that the drop is so intense that it then becomes very psychologically addictive.
>
><<njenrigh@mtu.edu>>
>

This whole khat thing is driving me nuts.  Khat is about as powerful as 
coffee or chocolate.  It's very much a part of the culture of that part of
the world.  Any attempt by American forces to stamp out this so-called
"drug trade" would represent the worst kind of cultural imperialism and
ethno-centrism.

I'm not saying that khat is a good thing or a bad thing.  Not many people
in the West would argue that alcohol is an indisputably good thing, but
imagine how a Western society would react if UN peacekeepers from, say,
Egypt, confiscated all the beers in a 7-11, or if Indian peacekeepers took
away our precious beef jerky.

The US is in Somalia to save lives, and I'd like to see them stick to that
and not meddle in things that they obviously know absolutely nothing about.

/Phil



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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Cocaine Questions (Biology/Biochem)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:29:44 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec18.190039.18684@husc15.harvard.edu> blom@husc15.harvard.edu writes:
>EXACTLY how does cocaine affect the nervous system?
>
>What stereoisomers, if any, are the most active?
>
>What part of the molecule gives it its properties?
>
>What parts of the molecule could be altered slightly to produce analogous
>compounds?  Could any of these be stronger than the "real thing?"

    1.  "The Pharmacological Basis for Therapeutics", Goodman & Gilman
    2.  "Medicinal Chemistry", A. Burger

    These sources, in addition to many others, will give the answers you
want.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: Incandescents for Growing
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:32:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.225705.5915@penet.fi> an2509@anon.penet.fi writes:
>How well do common incandescent light bulbs work for growing weed?

I'm no expert, but I just heard on the radio that for growing plants
indoors it is best to use a mixture of incandescent and fluorescent
light, since neither alone gives them all the spectrum they like.
I think incandescent with a little touch of fluorescent is what they
said, but I'm sure someone else around here knows more.

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Chromium What ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:07:12 GMT

mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:

: In article <1gmir8INN3qh@garnet.msen.com> josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup) writes:
: >She claims that she is taking a product called Chromium Picolinate
: >200 Mcg per tab. This wonderfull little over the counter thing is
: >supposed to turn your fat into protien ie: no weight gain etc.

: She is a victim of quackery.  No drug can magically dissolve/change fat.
: Only exercise can do that.

That, and a reduced caloric intake.

Bill
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:19718 talk.politics.drugs:7961
From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:17:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.195240.7466@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz
(Derek Tearne) writes:
> [...]
>
> If we took a whole heap of Laboratory rats I am sure we could establish 
> an overdose level for all of these things.  I feel sure there is an LD50
> rating for potatoes already.

There is this story about a woman who got caught on carrots after she
quit smoking. She got really obsessed with carrots and died after an
overdose.

Read it in the paper, and it could have happened, so I guess it's good
enough for a.f.u.

---
YuNoHoo  "There is an overdose level for air as well, just get the partial
          pressure of O2 high enough"
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From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:19:11 GMT

lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

>That was a heart attack due to the psychological effect of LSD.  Not a
>toxic effect of LSD itself.

   Then I guess cocaine-induced heart arythmias don't count as toxic effects,
either.
--
Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
		  Religion is the DMT of the masses.
From: honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LS
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:36:56 GMT

 dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud) writes:
>S2822338@UCSVAX (s2822338) writes:
>
>> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>> ...
>> > There's a nice layman-level writeup on LSD in Julien, _A Primer of
>> > Drug Action_ (W.H. Freeman and Company, 1981).  A relevant tidbit is
>> > that no one is known to have died from an acute overdose of LSD.
>>
>> The ONLY person I have ever heard of overdosing on LSD is the late
>> Aldous Huxley, after being injected with one GRAM of lsd every hour
>> for four hours by his wife, who guided him verbally to the other side.
>> He was in his early eighties I think, and had a heart condition.
>> He had a NICE trip out I'm told.  And enjoyed himself for the many
>> hours until he left his body.
>>
>Although I can't cite the source, I think this is an urban legend. Huxley was
>dying of cancer, and requested that he be injected with 100 ug of LSD
>intramuscularly. His wife, Laura Archera Huxley, notes that he died
>peacefully.
>
>Ironically, Huxley and JFK each died within a few hours of each other.
>
>MdF aka dbt@cellar.org
>
>------
>dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud)
>The Cellar BBS - (215) 539-3043


This isn't even an urban legend; this is this boob jtchew misunderstanding
history and pharmacology.

Laura Huxley wrote of Aldous' dying wish and their experience recently in
the newsletter of the Hofmann foundation.  Don't have their address handy.

--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken.huxley
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:52:00 GMT

In <1992Dec15.235450.26265@leland.Stanford.EDU> geomorph@leland.Stanford.EDU (Bayard Wenzel) writes:
>I believe the correct dosage was 250 milligrams.
>				     -----

Doses are usually measured in micrograms.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things
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From: rallen@netcom.com (Robert W. Allen)
Subject: Khat grows wild in Southern California
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:28:35 GMT

The LA Times recently reported that the now-infamous East African drug khat
(aka qat, miraa) has been growing in Southern California for decades.
It was imported to Laguna Beach as an ornamental plant, but never really
caught on. The article had an interview with the gardener who brought in
the plants originally; he said he knew that the leaves were intoxicating
and had tried it once but the bitter taste put him off. He still tends
some of the 50-year-old khat trees that he planted, and he says others
are scattered around the Laguna Beach area.

I'm waiting for the followup article about curious heads swarming to
Laguna Beach and hacking branches off any unusual-looking tree... :-)
--
Rob Allen
rallen@netcom.com
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Marijuana article in local paper
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:07:44 GMT

chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

>I'm posting this for all to see, because I plan to start a mass meg. mail 
>flow to the local newspaper (The Herald Leader) stating how erroneous their 
>2-3 page story on pot was.  I'll reprint a substory (along with a histogram 

	Rather than try to get other people to waste their own and the
Herald's time, why don't you personally simply write a short (200 words 
or less) letter to be printed in the paper?

Jim Del Vecchio
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From: nbb@widget.demon.co.uk (Nick Bristow)
Subject: khat 
Distribution: world
Organization: Widgets Unlimited
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:16:29 +0000


In article <BzBE62.Jp3@ipsa.reuter.com> pki@ipsa.reuter.com writes:

>
>In article <1992Dec15.072517.12157@mtu.edu> njenrigh@mtu.edu (Nick Enright)> writes:
>>
>>Ive heard that it is quite a bit more powerful than Crystal meth.
>>
>>only rumors so far but i hear that it was produced at mtu?
>>
>>bassically i hear that it gives you a decent speed trip but that the drop is> so intense that it then becomes very psychologically addictive.
>>
>><<njenrigh@mtu.edu>>
>>
>
>This whole khat thing is driving me nuts.  Khat is about as powerful as 
>coffee or chocolate.  It's very much a part of the culture of that part of
>the world. 

A little known fact is that there is a medium sized somalian population
in London and they import their own Khat. Khat is not a controlled drug
in the U.K and you can buy it in some shops in London, I don't know which 
so please don't ask (if some else knows please post :-) )

                                        Cheers,
                                                Nick.

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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Extraction of THC from alcohol
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:08:26 GMT

On a lark two days ago, I took out my long-lost friend Jack Daniels and put
approx. 3 grams of medium quality "shake" marijuana into 1 oz and let it sit.
 
Just now, I filtered out the vegetable material, and ran it under a hot water
bath to get rid of some of Jack's water.  I am considering putting it into
a boiling solution to get rid of all of the water.
 
Now, my problem is that I am not a fan of alcohol, and yet there is a large
quantity of THC floating around in my test-tube.  The preparation is known
worldwide as "Green Dragon."

How should I get the THC out of the alcohol?


-- 
"Peace of mind produces right values, right values produce right thoughts.
Right thoughts produce right actions and right actions produce work which will
be a material reflection for others to see of the serentity at the center of it
all." - Robert M. Pirsig  "Ride the surf of the sea of neuron activity." - Me
From: mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: miraa / khat / qat
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:48:46 GMT
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.



From Ronald Siegel's _Intoxication_:

The main alkaloid from kath is cathinone.

"In each major category of intoxicant used by
our species, there appear to be one or two drug
plants that researchers have noted are more
controllable, hence safer, that all other plants
or synthetics in that category.  Coca leaf stands
out among all the stimulants, licit and illicit,
as the easiest to control and the one least likely
to produce toxicity or dependency.  Khat is a
close second."

"Both coca and khat stimulate the mind of the
chewer and enable him to climb mountains, 
breathe easier, and ward off hunger and fatigue.
They do so with almost no toxicity or abuse; the
bitterness limits use to just so many leaves. 
But in countries where cultural recipes do not
encourage leaf chewing, few would volunteer to
take a step backwards to the original plant, 
however safe that retreat would be."

"Many cocaine users, addicted to the exhilarating
euphoria of concentrated concaine rushing through
their veins, did not accept the subtle high from
drinking the tea [coca leaf].  Despite controllability
or palatability, plants like coca or khat are not
appealing to the addict's taste for a quick 
intoxication."

mark
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:30:04 GMT

In <BzCIL6.66M@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.193406.10621@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (Mr. Stress Tensor) writes:
>>So, some "brain-fried" dealer is going to go out and spend extra money on 
>>something to add to his acid to make it speedier?  Sure, it's difficult to
>>overestimatethe stupidity of the brain-fried, but this seem very, very unlikely
>>to me.  Everyone I've ever met who liked acid definitely *did not* prefer
>>"speedier" acid.
>	I do.
>	Just curious, where DO those legends come from?

Probably from people who do try to dope up other substances.  Like
people adding coke to pot.  Like people who are silly enough to think
they could actually dust pot with ground up blotter or something.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         "There is no time for metaphors," cried the little pill to me
             He said, "Life is a placebo masquerading as a simile."
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From: koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Vasopressin in Mexico
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:03:34 GMT

>If so, do I ask for it as "Vasopressin" or does it have some other name?

The last bottle I had was named 'Diapid', from Sandoz Labs.  The
packaging was all in french.  Sorry I don't have any info about
Mexican availability, I bought mine from InterLab before the feds starting
getting serious about them...

-- 
Louis Koziarz
koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:12:40 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
: >:
: >: LSD is a deadly poison too. Take a spoon full... Strychnine will reduce
: >: pain to athletics and is therefore forbidden.
: >
: >Do you have documentation for either of these claims?
: >
: >How many grams of lsd can you put in a teaspoon? What is the LD50 for
: >humans? Do humans react differently to lsd than elephants or rats?
: >
: >How can strychnice reduce pain? Wouldn't the fact that it is a CNS
: >stimulant mean that it would make pain worse?
: >
: 
: Two small factoids (and no, PvdL, I'm *not* snoping...). LSD is almost
: inert in a biochemical sense. No-one has ever found a mechanism by which it is
: directly toxic (according to the toxicology textbooks available to me,
: anyway). That doesn't really matter, of course, because if you take too much,
: or too often, then you end up like a cabbage (well, a good impression of a
: catatonic schizophrenic, actually, but that's close enough).

The latter factoid, as is common for such things, is false. Please point
us to some medline documentation of these catatonic or vegetative lsd users.
Previous searches have been unable to uncover any - except in places such as
Reader's Disgust and similar literature.

: Second, strychnine *was* used as a stimulant for athletes, especially in
: Victorian times, when walking marathons were big money. It's not actually a
: general stimulant, more a neuromuscular facilitator, which reduces fatigue and
: enables the athlete to continue past the point at which further performance is
: normally impossible. Several deaths were documented from dose misjudgement
: (small TI), and can be found in back issues of the BMJ (around the turn of the
: century). Its use has been discontinued, because far better, safer stimulants
: are available today, but it *is* still on the list of proscribed substances
: (grab a copy of your AAF's banned substances list...).

Didn't I state that it was a CNS stimulant? Where did I imply otherwise?

: On the subject of pain relief, that wasn't what it was used for. Anyone who's
: competed at any significant level will know that fatigue pain isn't a
: consideration, that only function matters. Strychnine prolonged the
: sustainable effort window, pure and simple.

Fine. But that is not what the person, to whom I was responding, stated.
The person stated "Strychnine will reduce pain to athletics (sic) ...".
That was one of the incorrect statements I was contesting.

Bill
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From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:11 EST  

In article <2B2D2E63.10967@ics.uci.edu>, honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes...
> 
> sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy) writes:
>>Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 14-Dec-92 Re: UL: Monumental LSD over..
>>by Michael J Maryo @udecc.e
>>> thing that gets me is that even know we all know the effects and dangers (?)
>>> associated with drugs, there are still a lot of us who do use them.  But the
>>> difference is that we use them wisely and responsibly.  The knowledge that
>>
>>Please, let me know how to take an illegal drug "wisely and responsibly"
>>  I'm quite interested.
>>
>>Steve
> 
>The word "illegal" there is superflous, except with respect to the issue of
>quality control.  As to that, buying plants is reliable; buying paper squares
>is at worse a rip-off.  Buying powders and pills is dubious.
> 
>How does one do anything responsibly?  With care and forethought.
> 


Which, of course, puts you guys out of the realm of responsible *posting*...

No care *or* forethought went into the continued inappropriate crossposting 
of this thread to rec.pets.cats. Let's read those `Newsgroups' lines a bit 
more carefully, eh ? 

-- Stephen

	My .sig generator is shooting blanks these days.
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From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Subject: Re: The ungrateful dead (grass doesn't kill)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:36:34 GMT

In article <lisl4lINNud@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
>The ungrateful, undead wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) claims:
>>  Marijuana (or its active components, anyway) are strong sedatives
>>  and will kill you by respiratory failure if given in high enough dose.
>
>I challenged with:
>> Perhaps you could back up your claim, by citing some deaths
>> from respiratory failure caused by the ingestion of marijuana?
>
>Wisp 'fessed up:
>> ... no-one has ever died from respiratory failure after smoking marijuana.
>
>Come on Chris, listen to yourself:
>   1. "Marijuana will kill you by respiratory failure if you take enough"
>   2. "Marijuana has never killed anyone by respiratory failure"
>

OK, OK. Leaving aside the hideous out-of-context quoting (you're not a
journalist or a politician, are you? Or perhaps a lawyer?) the entire point
was that the original statement "There is no lethal dose of marijuana" is
untrue. That's all. (See my other post for elaboration...)

>Regardless of arguments over whether a "lethal dose" whose size is
>approximately twice the body weight of a person, is meaningful,
>you are trying to purvey an urban legend that marijuana is dangerous,
>and will kill you by respiratory failure if you overdose on it.
>That is nonsense, and with your medical training you should know it.
>

I never said any such thing. There *is* a lethal dose of marijuana, just as
there is a lethal dose of air, water, or just about anything. The whole
purpose of the original post was to point out that it is foolish to try and
claim that anything is completely safe, as the original poster of the claim
above was apparently trying to do. As for MJ being dangerous, I know perfectly
well that it's far safer than alcohol, and am all in favour of immediate
legalisation...

>It's an international scandal that some governments try to suppress
>a relaxant which is far, far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol.  It's
>especially wicked that the medicinal properties of marijuana have recently
>been denied to AIDS patients, glaucoma sufferers and the terminally-ill
>in the US by executive mandate.

Absolutely agree with you. The various forms of waccy-baccy should have
been legalized long ago, or at least made into prescription drugs for the
relief of terminally-ill sufferers.

Here's the rub: I was snoping. Mea culpa, I just couldn't resist pointing out
the obvious error in the original post. For the record, MJ is a relatively
safe recreational relaxant, provided it's used in a sensible manner (for
example, smoking and driving is just as dumb as drinking and driving...)

That'll teach me...

The Wisp. [all yours, snopes...]
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 03:50:39 CST
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
 <92347.142617U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
 <1992Dec13.030741.27015@muddcs.claremont.edu>

OK... lets go over this one more time.  THIS time I did do a little research.
Not because i actually care wether or not i am believed to be a compitent chemi
st (i make no such claims), but because it was CONVIENIENT!
"Pharmaceutical Dosage Forms and Drug Delivery Systems.  Howard C. Ansel,
Nicholas G. Popovich fifth ed- page 310.
the following is an exacti quote (minus spelling and typos of course)
A number of agents are credited with enhanceing skin penetration:
Dimethylacetamide, dimethylformaldyhyde,alchohol, propyleneglycol, poly ethylen
e glycol.
According to the book there are many different brands of nitro-patch all of the
m contain one of these penetration enhancers and a semi-permeaple membrain to c
ontrol flow rate.  As far as i can tell another one of these is poly iso butyle
ne.  acetone was also mentioned on a sseparate list in the book.

Sweat, sylyva, extra are NOT water.  they contain many other things like urea-
various oils, salts ect.

The reason you dont lyce when you swim is many fold..... just a few
the skin has a sebacoius layer (oils)
as skin cells dy thier organelles deteriorate.  this causes (to complex to expn
ow) the cell to flatten and become hard (and also very dead and water insoluble
)  it is pushed out be new cells.  this forms the outer dermis.  Ps once
these skin layers are passed.  the job of osmotic controll is taken up by compl
ex salt buffers.  once the skin barier is broken, the durg can be distributed v
ia blood to all parts of the body (this last part is also in the referanced boo
k)

Malcalypse -  resents being called a weekend chemist (indirectly).  We bio peop
le have to take tons of chemistry.  I think i understand why i am being blasted
for not doing my homework... me thinks that the slighly rude (at least to me)
graduate student who spend most of his time in the library looking for ways to
make his research better should stop roasting his undergraduate contemporary wh
o never has a need to go to the library.  this is just what i think is happenin
g here.  Correct me if i am wrong.

Malcalypse -semi-content
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