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BTW, when Couples' ball just cleared the water and no more on the 12th (?), he
scooped a lost ball out of the water, looked at it, then hit it back in.

I am suprised that no mention has yet been made about what almost certainly
happened -- thousands of Americans jamming the switchboards of the TV co,
and/or Augusta to say that he should've been penalised for playing a stroke
when he hadn't yet finished the hole.

Yes, of course that would have been ridiculous, but trial-by-telly seems to
have been coming of age recently, and there are plenty of pedants out there
who are into Schadenfreude.

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From: dbeattie@cse.unl.edu (Derek Beattie)
Subject: Re: the secret is out
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:19:04 GMT

I have nothing against the clubs exept for the fact that I hate them.
I do like the 845's though.
From: cookdl@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:14:54 GMT
Distribution: usa,rec
Organization: Appalachian State University

> 
> A couple of points.  One: if you are hitting off of astroturf mats at
> the driving range you cannot tell whether you are hitting the ball
> good or not.  In fact, I would say hitting off those mats are just
> as bad as not practicing at all if you regularly shoot under 90.


I totally disagree. I am a 8 handicap and I almost always hit off the mats. 
With the  mats you eliminate the variables.  Now maybe if your practice range
looks like your course you have a  point.  But mine doesnt, it gets the hell
beat out of it by all the hackers so there isnt much grass.  Also when im there
 I want to work on some aspect of my swing.  So I dont want to worry about
hitting one a little fat or catching a clod or having my ball in a hole or
something.   High handicap golfers can benefit even more.  You can build a
swing there.   Most of the scratch golfers in my area hit off them.  You just
cant keep a lot of grass at a public driving raange. 
> 
> Second: At the driving range work on a preshot routine that you will
> use on the course.  In other words don't just bang out ball after
> ball.  Get behind the ball, look at your target, get into an address
> positon, and then hit the ball.  Establishing this routine will 
> help you become more consistent and also help your alignment.
> 
This I aggree with.> --
From: jim@dap.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: Grip Size - rule of thumb?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:28:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.194159.5690@alw.nih.gov>, foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley) writes:
|> Can anyone tell me if there are any guidelines for choosing grip size?
|> I have larger hands than average (not huge, just larger than average),
|   
    Most any of the "chain" stores should have someone around that can help
   you determine the correct grip size, also the type of grip that is most
   comfortable..also you might want to have them put what ever grips you
   choose on the clubs before you buy them... they should also help with
   picking the correct shaft length and flex...don't let them charge extra
   for this stuff either...its their job and your money !!!!


> and I am purchasing new clubs so I want to get the correct grip.
|> 
|> First, some history of the problem:
|> 
|> I have been playing golf for three years.  In my first year I used clubs
|> with a standard sized Victory rubber grip and played shots that primarily
|> sliced.  The grips seemed small to me though so the next year I had Victory
|> cord grips installed with 1/32" tape underneath.  The grip seems more
|> comfortable (except that I think a grip the size of a tennis racket would
|> feel even better) but now I have developed a hook.  The hook is NOT due
|> so much to turning my hands over as it is to regripping the club on my
|> backswing.  I tend to slide my left hand (I'm a right hander) to a 
|> strong position on the take-away which closes the clubface coming through
|> the hitting area.


     I know a real good drill for fixing the regripping of the club...
    place a tee between your pinky of your left hand and the shaft of the 
    club with the fat end out....then take your normal swing ..try and keep 
    the tee from falling out at the top of the swing without choking the 
    club to death. 

|> 
|> With my new clubs I'm tempted to go back to a standard sized grip since
|> I didn't have the regripping problem with that size.  It could be that
|> I should actually _increase_ the grip size to overcome this problem.
|> 
|> I'd appreciate hearing some net wisdom on this...
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> --
|> Charles K. Foley, Ph.D.
|> Cray Research, Inc.
|> P.O. Box 12746
|> Research Triangle Park, NC 27709			ckf@f16.cray.com

-- 
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From: thompson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:43:19 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:

>In <1992Apr9.154609.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>>WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS

>Obviously a peasant....
>Obviously a POM - wots a 'pringle' jumper ?
>Play Golf in Australia - you dont need a jumper for 9 months of the
year - what day was summer in England this year ?
I suppose this fella plays rugby - its called 'sniff arse' over here -
now theres a game for fags.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Masters and a rule question
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:45:40 GMT

oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland) writes:
: Just after Fred had chipped in the 2nd on 12 he found a ball in the water which he chipped on to the bank to test whether it roled into the water or not. The commentator on the channel  I was watching questioned whether this was legal or not. However, he didn't gave any answer to it. So:
: 
: 	Did Fred anything wrong at the 12 and what is the rule?
: 

It looked to me as if he simply cleaned off his club in the water, noticed the ball,
retrieved it (to see if it was a Maxfli!), and knocked the waterlogged thing back
to its grave. That's it.  No practice chip.  Nothing.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley)
Subject: RTP Golf Courses
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:12:18 GMT

Andrew -

I tried e-mailing you but it bounced.

I live in Durham, NC and I just picked up one of the free newspapers that
are given out at the local clubs.  There is a foldout with addresses,
yardages, green fees, and phone numbers of all the courses
in the Triangle area.  If you want I can e-mail you the information.  What
are you interested in playing?  (I presume you want a publice course - 
where are you staying, I can give you info on courses near there...)

Let me know what you prefer...

--
Charles K. Foley, Ph.D.
Cray Research, Inc.
P.O. Box 12746
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709			ckf@f16.cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: john@horton.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (john)
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Reply-To: john@horton.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: System Management Tools, Intergraph Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:29:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.122708.1097@meaddata.com>, john@meaddata.com (John Manion) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr14.003333.25776@morrow.stanford.edu>, CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick) writes:
|> |> >>In article <1992Apr13.122056@kristyna.Prime.COM> dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay) writes:
|> |> >>
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>   Is it me, or should Fred Couples and Craig Parry have been encouraged
|> |> >>>   to speed up thier play? When they were playing 16, Ray Floyd was finishing
|> |> >>>  18. For a twosome to take over 2 hours to play 9 holes is just amazing.
|> |> >
|> |> I would personally help Freddie kill the official that asked him to
|> |> speed up play on Sunday. It ain't a $2.00 bet at your local muni
|> |> rated 103.
|> 
|> Let me hit him once too.
|> 
|> |> 
|> |> I don't think golf was invented to be played in a hurry. And for two
|> |> golfers to take just over two hours for nine holes at the Masters
|> |> seems acceptable to me.
|> 
|> Hurrah!! Finally someone has said it.  All this talk about slow play and how
|> It took me 5 hours to play 18, Blah Blah Blah.	
|> 
|>   For the people who are always complaining, Weren't you once a new golfer?
|> Can't you remember looking through the woods for a lost ball?
|> 
|>   I'm not a new golfer by any means but I can at least understand what some
|> of the higher handicappers are going through.  And to say, go to the range
|> and get good before coming to the course is a joke.  You just don't get the same
|> type of practice at the range as you do at the course, unless you have a day to 
|> kill and a hundred bucks.  Don't get me wrong I'm not saying don't go to the 
|> range, but before you go to the range you need to know what you are practicing
|> for.
|> 
|> Lighten up.  Golf is game meant to be fun.  If you got plans in four hours then 
|> don't come out to the course.  It will make the day more enjoyable for the rest 
|> of us.
|> 
|> |> 
|> |> joe
|> 
|> -- 


I'm sorry, but I can't buy the leisurely 5 hour round. While I agree that golf
is just a game and should be fun, I don't think that it is necessary to line up
that 60 foot putt from every side, survey the surrounding terrain for unseen
undulations, then slap the ball up to 12 feet for a chance at a 2 putt double 
bogie.

Most of us weekend golfers take much too long in preparation and execution of
our shots. We would probably score better, particularly on and around the greens
if we looked at the shot required, then performed the shot based on our first
impressions.

It is possible to shoot a very high score as well as a very low score
in a reasonable period of time. The pros, unfortunately give us a bad example by
the painstaking care that they take on every shot.
From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Spin
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:15:40 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <19920414132236SASCHO@mvs.sas.com>  SASCHO <SASCHO@mvs.sas.com> writes:
> I'm a decent golfer, roughly a 10-12 handicap on country club
> courses, and I'm curious about backspin. I hit the ball long
> and fairly accurate tee to green, and my weakness is putting.
> Anyway, I can't figure why I don't get more spin. What's the
> secret? I hit a 9 iron 145 yards, and it will hit, bounce a couple
> of feet, check up and stop. None of this 10 foot backup you see
> on TV. I've tried different balls, doesn't matter. I've seen Lee
> Trevino pitch from 60 yards and back it up 15 feet. I play
> on both bent and bermuda grass. Even when I try to back up my
> wedge, it will check up, but not back up. What's the secret?
>
> No big deal, just curious. Any answers welcome. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Chuck Oertli
> SAS INSTITUTE INC.
> AUSTIN, TX                                SASCHO@MVS.SAS.COM
In Greg Normans book (title escapes me for the moment), he says to get
maximum spin, you have to hit the ball at the 2 o'clock position. Yea,
right Greg ! Anyway, first, get some balata balls, second, find
a course that has firm, tight fairways. Third, find a green that is also
firm (not rock hard), fast and slopes towards you. Using a low iron, I
think 7 is best, set it back a little so you're hitting down on it
not sweeping the ball, give it a whack, you should be taking a good
size divot, if not, you're sweeping it, and won't get significant backspin.
Backspin is cause by pinching the ball between the club and the ground,
thus the need for firm fairways, hardpan is ideal.
You have to hit down on the ball, but hit the ball first, not the ground.
Taller players with upright swings have the advantage here, shorter players
tend to sweep the ball. If hit right, the ball will take one bounce and then
come back like its on a string. When I played pebble, spyglass, etc in ca
I used balata balls (spending big $$ on green fees whats another few bucks),
I first notice the spin. Since draws tend to want to bounce forward, the
upright swing should cause the ball to fade a bit, causing it to land soft
and help backspin the ball even more.
Fun to watch, but if the pin is on the back of a sloping green, probably not
the shot to hit.
Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.165256.651@unx.sas.com>,
sasdgh@cedar.unx.sas.com (Glenn Horton) writes:
>In article <92099.083808DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>|> Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
>|> earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
>|> back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
>|> high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
>|> clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
>|> regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
>|> The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
>|> give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
>|> physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
>|> is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
>|> see for yourselves.
>
>        My understanding is that one of the benefits of cavity back irons is
>that when you hit the ball out on the toe the club tends to not slip or twist as
>much. It's quite possible that Iron Byron has such a grip on the club that it
>wouldn't twist if he hit a bowling ball.
>--
>
>Glenn Horton            SAS Institute Inc.
>sasdgh@unx.sas.com      919-677-8000 x6640

Yep, AND he never gets tired or mentally exhausted.
But, I think he should work on his weight shift and his
posture. His mental game is very good. IF I could only
keep my mind that clear......

joe
From: mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Mahone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Good Luck GolfingNet
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:12:58 GMT
Reply-To: mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Mahone)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

On the day that one of the world greatest golf tournaments, the
MASTERS starts play I thought the message shown below might be
appropriate. I retrieved the original message from the uunet
archiving site. 

Date: Thursday, 9 April 1992
From: R. Mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil
To: The Golfing Network
Subject: Good luck message

Did you know who in 1923 was:

1.  President of the largest steel company?
2.  President of the largest gas company?
3.  President of the New York Stock Exchange?
4.  Greatest wheat speculator?
5.  President of the Bank of International Settlement?
6.  Great Bear of Wall Street?

These men should have been considered some of the world's most successful
men.  At least they found the secret of making money.  Now more than 55 years
later, do you know what has become of these men?

1.  The President of the largest steel company, Charles Schwab, died a pauper.
2.  The President of the largest gas company, Edward Hopson, is insane.
3.  The President of the N.Y.S.E., Richard Whitney, was released from prison
    to die at home.
4.  The greatest wheat speculator, Arthur Cooger, died abroad, insolvent.
5.  The President of the Bank of International Settlement shot himself.
6.  The Great Bear of Wall Street, Cosabee Rivermore, died of suicide.

The same year, 1923, the winner of the most important golf championship,
Gene Sarazan, won the U.S.  Open and PGA Tournaments.  Today he is still
playing golf and is solvent.

CONCLUSION:  STOP WORRYING ABOUT BUSINESS AND START PLAYING GOLF

This letter originated in The Netherlands, has been passed around the
world at least 20 times, bringing good luck to everyone who passed it on.  The
one who breaks the chain will have bad luck.

Do not keep this letter.  Do not send money.  Just have your wonderful,
efficient cpu make five additional copies and send it to five of
your friends to whom you wish good luck.  You will see that something good
happens to you four days from now if the chain is not broken.  This is not a
joke.  You will receive good luck in four days.


Maybe some of us will shoot or break par!!!!!
From: David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Backspin Out Of Sand
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:09:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: tdkt.703347357.F00001

JB>  Johnny Miller once talked about how the macho thing with him and his
JB>friends was to see how much they could get a ball to back up hitting out of
JB>a practice bunker.  He said he once backed one up sixty feet (!!), and
JB>he described the game as "more fun than burning rubber any time."

Good grief! Well, I suppose if you have nothing  else  to  do  on  a
lazy  Sunday  afternoon. <GRIN>

Anyway, thanks to all that responded to my sand  backspin  question.
It  makes  sense  now (check all your golf balls for burn marks from
now on after a sand shot). <SMILE>
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From: ross@kaos.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:00:37 GMT

>>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>
>Should we?
>Naw, it would be too easy.
>Joe
>
I agree.  Not even worth a single keystroke.  I mean, there has got to
be SOME kind of challenge.  Kind of like making a hole-in-one on every
hole.  You would instantly give up the game.  Something like this doesn't
even warrant a practice swing.


Ross Erickson
Intergraph Corporation
ross@kaos.b23b.ingr.com
"Illigitimus Non Carborundum"
"Opinions are mine, not my employers, for which they are eternally
grateful"
From: cgllgher@unix2.tcd.ie (    SPARKY     )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: The British Open is the only real major
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:46:42 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

We must all congratulate Boom Boom Freddy on his master's
success,but if more Europeans were allowed in we might
regard it with some respect.Some might say we had plenty
but out of about a dozen only about three have not won
and actually were really "invited".Parry plays a lot
on this side and we can see how well he did.
I think the reason the invites to  Europeans is so low
is because they are afraid we will dominate everything
like they used to.THey make invitational only very few
top Europeans get in but even low ranking Americans get
in this is unlike the British Open where everyone can 
qualify.If they invited the world's top fifty plus
past winners things would be more interesting.
With so little Europeans with so many titles they are afraid

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From: cookdl@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:22:55 GMT
Distribution: usa,rec
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <1992Apr14.005109.27018@morrow.stanford.edu>, CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.071454.2127@stat.appstate.edu>,
> cookdl@stat.appstate.edu writes:
>>>
>>> A couple of points.  One: if you are hitting off of astroturf mats at
>>> the driving range you cannot tell whether you are hitting the ball
>>> good or not.  In fact, I would say hitting off those mats are just
>>> as bad as not practicing at all if you regularly shoot under 90.
>>
>>
>>I totally disagree. I am a 8 handicap and I almost always hit off the mats.
>>With the  mats you eliminate the variables.  Now maybe if your practice range
> 
> I am not surpised that an 8 handicap finds mats acceptable.
> And for those netters proud enough to post their
> handicaps with their posts, would you please post your index
> so I don't have to work to find out your relative ability. An
> 8 at a local muni may be a 12 at Spyglass. Big difference.
> 
> joe


Yes I think that is a very good point.  My 8 handicap would not stand up at
Spyglass or a lot of other good courses.  My course is fairly short (6200) from
the blues.  We have very tough rough and very difficult greens however. I dont
have my handicap card handi though and I really havent paid any attention to
the index before.  Im interested to hear how you would work out the relative
ability from the index as I have never really paid any attention to it.
From: jasonc@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Jason Chodora)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:34:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Driver problem
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

In rec.sport.golf, csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop) writes:

    ....................................but you cannot do any better
    than to talk to Alan Schenk in Moorabool St....
			 ^^^^^^

You've got to be kidding !! This is really the name of a golf pro.  We
all know golf is 90% mental.  How could you have confidence in a pro
whose last name sounds like the "S word" ???  (Please don't make me say
it!)

Jason

P.S.  It was rumored that Jack Nicklaus (who has had a few problems with
the shanks in his time (oops, I said it...) ) was once asked what to do
to get rid of the shanks.  His answer was to put the clubs in the closet
for a few weeks... then quit.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.071454.2127@stat.appstate.edu>,
cookdl@stat.appstate.edu writes:
>>
>> A couple of points.  One: if you are hitting off of astroturf mats at
>> the driving range you cannot tell whether you are hitting the ball
>> good or not.  In fact, I would say hitting off those mats are just
>> as bad as not practicing at all if you regularly shoot under 90.
>
>
>I totally disagree. I am a 8 handicap and I almost always hit off the mats.
>With the  mats you eliminate the variables.  Now maybe if your practice range

The only danger off the mats is the drop kick. With those "game
improvement clubs" with the wide flange you can actually hit
behind the ball and get  decent result....., if you lenghten
your flat spot. I think mats are harder on clubs. But, if the
are in good condition, the lies are perfect. If the mats are
old, it can be difficult.

I am not surpised that an 8 handicap finds mats acceptable.
And for those netters proud enough to post their
handicaps with their posts, would you please post your index
so I don't have to work to find out your relative ability. An
8 at a local muni may be a 12 at Spyglass. Big difference.

joe