HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: LAPM and uucp "f" protocol (was: Re: How to run 19,200 (or faster))
Summary: Will LAPM replace the need for error correction by "g" protocol?
Date: 11 Aug 92 17:28:35 GMT
Organization: High Country Software

Given that the "LAPM" is supposed to supply an "error-correcting" link,
and using hardware flow control, is it possible that we will only
need the "g" protocol for non-V.42 connections?  This leads to some
distinct possibilities, but I would not be sure how to get my modem/uucp
system to make the distinction between V.42 and non-V.42.

: >However, "f" protocol is a big loss on large incoming files - it doesn't
: >work much at all.  Ie: newsfeeds.  I have f protocol enabled on my
: >mail link, and g on my news feed.

  If you can do it on a service-by-service basis, maybe a link-by-link
  basis?  Connection-by-connection would be best.  (I'd rather not
  worry about whether the remote admin. is likely to change modems.)

UUCP seems to work under the binary assumption of connect/not connect,
not connect with x attributes.  You COULD try separate connection attempts,
either through different modem register settings, or send/receive sequence
changes.  (It'd be nice if uucp had some kind of memory, and could adjust
itself based on system/line/method success, (so not to have so many
unsuccessful calls))

Any thoughts on this?

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
From: lydic@ka8lvz.uucp (lydic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Copying Dist. Disks
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:52:43 GMT
Organization: organization

In article <Bsu64E.9JI@acsu.buffalo.edu> stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger) writes:
>Is it possible to make copies of the distribution disks, diagnostics
>disk, etc. for backup purposes? Is so, can someone tell me how?

   yes - You'll need an IBM PC with at least one 360K drive and the program
   COPYIIPC.  Two drives is easier, but one will work.  Just copy the
   diskettes with COPYIIPC, nothing else special to do.
>-- 
>Craig Steinberger                               stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu
>              SUNY at Buffalo, Computational Fluid Dynamics Lab

   -.. .

   John W. Lydic Jr              lydic@ka8lvz.cmhnet.org

   "We live beyond our means, on other peoples dreams, and that's succeeding"
   Janis Ian 'Between the lines'
   ... -.-
From: chrisn@caldwr.water.ca.gov (Chris Navarrete)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: 3B1 is dying/dead
Keywords: marching boxes, disk errors, diagnostics
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:41:09 GMT
Organization: Calif. Dept. of Water Resources, Sac.

Well it finally happened.  My 3B1 seems to have died due to several disk
read errors.  When I try to boot it up, I get several lines of the marching
boxes and then the message: DISK READ ERROR, at which point it tries to 
boot off of the floppy and then back to the hard disk, etc etc etc.  Has
anyone recovered from a problem like this.  I have not backed up my system
in quite awhile, so I would at least like to recover the files in my
home directory: /u/chris.  What I am wondering is that can I add the
bad blocks to the BBT (using the diagnostics disk) then follow the instructions
for Updating software (in the Installation guide) to install the software.
It looks like I only need to install the O/S.  I have all the disks I need to 
recover my software, so this to me looks like the route to go.  Any thoughts
comments, suggestions?
Thanks, also e-mail to me would be fine: chrisn@water.ca.gov
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From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Looking for Alpha Testers for UReader
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:01:04 EDT
Organization: LORC Enterprises

dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (Don Nichols (DoN.)) writes:

> In article <946@hawkeye.hawkeye.com> mps@hawkeye.hawkeye.com (Michael Snyder)
> >From article <5443@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, by dburr@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Donal
> >>I am looking for beta testers for my new QWK reader for UNIX, UReader.
> >>If you don't know what this is, then you really shouldn't be reading
> >>this message. :-)
> >> 
> >
> >The hell with you too!!!  I see your postings quite regularly here, asking
> >about the 3B1/7300.  I also notice that your queries are answered promptly
> 
> 	He *DID* put a smiley after that.  I didn't take offense.  I just
> decided that I needn't bother him since I have no idea what QWK is, so I
> would hardly be able to perform a reasonable beta test.  (It might be
> something that I could use, but if I know that little about it, I shouldn't
> be doing beta testing.

QWK is an offline, packetized, mail reading technology originally developed
by Mark Herring (nicknamed "Sparky") of Sparkware.  The original platform
was the PC compatible.  However, as a result of the incredible proliferation
of the QWK de-facto standard, it becomes HIGHLY desirable to write QWK readers
for all sorts of platforms.  Although these BBS's may be PC based, some, like
Channel 1 in Massachusetts, have loads and loads of Unix software available--
and lots of Unix support forums as well.  By using QWK, you don't have to
read the forum while online, you simply download a mail packet (that is prepared
upon user command), then read it at your leisure.  You then upload a reply
packet when you are done.

There are currently two Unix-based QWK readers other than UReader: ATP, by
Thomas McWilliams, and QWIX, by ????.  Note that on most QWK-capable BBS's that
mail also refers to public forums.  The concept of separation between mail
and news is not binding in that world (I, even though I run a Usenet site here,
also use certain BBS's that are QWKified HEAVILY, so I am used to both
worlds.  And, they are worlds different!).

When I saw your message, and the implied query regarding QWK's, I decided to
post this in addition to the e-mail to Mr. Snyder.

> Donald Nichols (DoN.)     | Voice (Days): (703) 704-2280 (Eves): (703) 938-45


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From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich)
Subject: WIN/TCP select()
Organization: Vision Graphics
              Dover NH
              USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:55:37 GMT

Can someone send me the defs/specs for the select() system call from
the Wollongong package?  I'm having some problems compiling a program,
and the person helping me says that select can be very machine specific...

Thanks
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From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Daylight Saving Time patch wanted
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:06:44 GMT
Reply-To: kak@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software

crtb@helix.nih.gov (Chuck Bacon) writes:
: In article <BswpL1.44z@hico2.westmark.com> query@hico2.westmark.com writes:
: >About a year and a half ago, some netters developed
: >a patch (and a patch program) which would fix the
: >incorrect daylight savings time correction on the 
: >3B1.  The patch program, as I remember, would
: >identify the pattern, and change it in any existing
: >binarys.  
: >
: >I couldn't find anything about this listed in the archives,
: >or posted.
: >
: >Does anybody out there have a copy they could send out to me?
: >(and can we get this into the archives somewhere?)
: 
: Look at ftp.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/att7300/misc/dstconvert.sh.Z
: 
: This is a shar script which includes: Makefile README dstconvert.c
: The algorithm, applied to individual executables and relocatables,
: involves a search for the date on which the conversion from and to
: Daylight Savings time occurs.  README tells you which files it should
: be applied to; the code itself tells whether it succeeded.  Good luck.
: 	Chuck Bacon - crtb@helix.nih.gov ( alas, not my 3b1 )-:
: 		ABHOR SECRECY	-   DEFEND PRIVACY

By golly, there it was, right in the same index I'd checked before.
I'd checked through the list at least two times before I posted,
and somehow still managed to miss seeing it.  (I've got to stop
working on this stuff so late at night).

Thanks to all that responded.

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1,misc.forsale.computers
From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Subject: **FOR SALE** UNIX PC/3B1 Exp. Cabinet, Starlan, RS232, 2MB card, tape
Supersedes: <1992Aug14.032649.21972@icus.ICUS.COM>
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:47:22 GMT

Thanks for the response.  I wish I had more, but I don't.  All of the
pieces have been spoken for -- if you ordered one and got a confirmation
from me, you'll be getting another letter shortly regarding shipment. 

-L.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Problems with phone
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:46:34 GMT

In article <Bsw38y.FL5@acsu.buffalo.edu> stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger) writes:
"I just got a 3b1, and I'm trying to get it all set up. Everything seems
"to work fine, except I'm having some problems with the phone. It
"recognizes when I pick up the handset and when an incoming call comes,
"but I can't dial out using either the Phone Manager or cu (or uucp, for
"that matter). The phone manager says that the phone is disconnected, and
"can't go active unless I pick up the handset. When I try to pick up the
"handset and then dial, the dial tone gets immediately cut off. The Modem
"passes diagnostics, and the Dialing diagnostics seem to work too.
"
"I'm running ver. 3.51. Any ideas? 

are you sure you've got the line and phone plugged into the right
jacks?  they're NOT interchangeable!

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From: tom@muddy.wrc.unr.edu (T. Brikowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re:  RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Summary: Article from comp.graphics of interest to 3B1 users
Keywords: graphics gnuplot 3b1
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:34:21 GMT
Expires: 31 Aug 92 23:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: tom@wrc.unr.edu (T. Brikowski)
Followup-To: news.groups
Distribution: usa
Organization: Desert Research Institute, Water Resources Center

If you somehow missed the enclosed article in other newsgroups, it is of 
interest to 3B1 owners.  I use gnuplot extensively for plotting on my 3b1 
at home, and on the Suns at work, especially for including graphics in 
LaTeX files.  A 3b1 port is available from the 3B1 archives on
archive.cis.ohio-state.edu.  I don't remember where I got the latest source 
code, but it is supposedly available at 
prep.ai.mit.edu (pub/gnu/gnuplot-3.0.tar.Z) or dartmouth.edu 
(129.170.16.4, pub/gnuplot/*) originally distributed from cs.duke.edu.
Check also ftp.cs.caltech.edu, pub/3b1/gnuplot-3.2.tar.Z.

In article <1992Aug7.232539.4927@uunet.uu.net> of comp.graphics,
d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:

>NAME:   comp.graphics.gnuplot
>
>CHARTER:
>1) This group would be for the discussion of the GNUPLOT plotting program
>   by developers and users.
>2) This group would be gatewayed with the info-gnuplot@ames.arc.nasa.gov
>   mailing list.
>3) An FAQ list would be maintained.
>4) GNUPLOT is a command-driven interactive function plotting program which:
>   a) Plots data or functions.
>   b) Has been tested on Unix, VMS, MSDOS, MS-Windows, Amiga, and Atari
>      platforms.
>   c) Supports many different graphics devices.
>   d) Is authored by Thomas Williams, Colin Kelley, Russell Lang,
>      Dave Kotz, John Campbell, Gershon Elber, and many others.
>
>STATUS: Unmoderated
>
>Daniel Lewart
>d-lewart@uiuc.edu

==========================================================================
Tom Brikowski, Desert Research Institute,  tom@wrc.unr.edu

Quoted the news:
Senior Bush Adviser: "If the Democratic Congress would just move out of 
		      the way, we could get some major things done."
Reporter:            "Like what?"
Adviser:             "We're working on that..."
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Quoted in a major magazine:
From: dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (Don Nichols (DoN.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Potential kernel mods...
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:13:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: D and D Data, Vienna Virginia

In article <1992Aug17.162950.883@uts.cc.wayne.edu> rwilson@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Ron Wilson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.195654.9330@ceilidh.beartrack.com> dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (Don Nichols (DoN.)) writes:
>>In article <l8rdpnINNdq4@skat.usc.edu> jlowrey@skat.usc.edu (John 'Fritz' Lowrey) writes:
>>>	Folks,
>>>	With there being a potential for at some access to the source for
>>>our pet machine, I think that this would be an ideal time to consider a

	[ ... ]

>>>	My proposals are:
>>>
>[...]
>>>	= Maybe a leaner, meaner kernel without the TAM windowing.
>>>	   I personally have hacked some things with this system (and I am
>>>	   working on some others), but there are some with no need for the
>>>	   code overhead (the MGR folks for instance).
>>
>>	Again, make it an optional loadable device driver, if possible.
>
>I beleive the windowing already is a loadable driver - look at the begining
>of /etc/rc; it appears to test whether windows is running and loads the
>driver if not, then it reruns itself.

	You're right.  Wind.o is it, and it is larger by a factor of two
than any other driver which I have except the ethernet driver, which more
than doubles the size of wind.o.  So we could leave it out for a
windows-free system, or one using mgr via the VIDPAL (If that ever gets back
into production.)

>Another peice of evidence: I once compared the /unix on a bootable floppy to
>the /unix on the HD: they are the same.  When booting from the floppy, you

	Ah!  This makes it easier for someone without the distribution
diskettes to build their own floppy boot disk and floppy filesystem.
Excelent bit of information.  I'll have to try making a boot floppy this way
sometime.  (I wonder if 3.51m will tolerate floppy-based readonly booting as
does 3.51.)  Most kernels throw a hissy fit if you try to boot from a
write-protected device.


	Thanks
		DoN.

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From: rhg@cpsolv.CPS.COM (Richard H. Gumpertz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Two comb cards in a 3B1
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:53:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Problem Solving, Leawood, Kansas, USA

In article <603@cpsolv.CPS.COM> rhg@cpsolv.CPS.COM (Richard H. Gumpertz) writes:
}I have been looking at how to install two combo cards (with 2MB of RAM total)
}in the same 3B1.  My goal is 4 expansion serial ports and 2MB of expansion
}memory using just two slots.
}
}The following is an idea I am thinking about.  DO NOT TRY THESE MODIFICATIONS
}EXCEPT AT YOUR OWN RISK!  THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNVERIFIED AND UNTESTED!  At
}this point I just want feed back from other hardware gurus as to whether I
}got it right and whether there might be an easier way.  Note that I have been
}looking at loaded boards and some of the traces are a bit hard to follow:
}mistakes are quite possible!

[...details deleted...]

I have seen no response at all to the above posting that I made.  Did it get
out?  Did anybody read it?  Does anybody think it would/wouldn't work?  Has
the technical expertise ALREADY dried up?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe)
Subject: groff 1.05
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:59:53 GMT

I compiled groff 1.05 and installed binaries for the 3b1 as
ftp.cs.caltech.edu:pub/3b1/groff-bin.tar.Z.

I found out very shortly thereafter that version 1.06 is due out
shortly (a couple of weeks).

Also, the following works remarkably well (assuming you install
the necessary ghostscript fonts):
	groff -Tps -man gtroff.1 > gtroff.ps
	gs -sOUTPUTFILE=gtroff.%d -dNOPAUSE -r100x72 gtroff.ps
	pbmto3b1 gtroff.1
	pbmto3b1 gtroff.2	etc.
(or -r125x90 or -r150x108).  The pbm files can be rather large
though.  I may make a 3b1 screen driver for gs my next project.

Andy Fyfe					andy@cs.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: Wanted: Slot cover plates & shipping cartons
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:11:40 GMT

I need FOUR board slot cover plates and screws.

I also need THREE shipping cartons and inside packing and boxes.

As the result of selling off excess 3B1 stuff (see another posting),
I've come up short of the plates that cover the slots of 3B1s and 7300s.
I will be advertising 3 of my 5 machines. IF a buyer also wants one or more
of the boards, that would help but I'm not ready to offer the machines yet.

Among other things, IF the machines sell, I need cartons to ship them in.
The local UPS won't handle them unless they are in cartons designed for
them. UPS won't accept home-made packaging for the UNIX-PCs.

Does anyone have spares they can sell to me?   PLEASE!  :^)

Frank        

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From: dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (Don Nichols (DoN.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unixpc source code access
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:58:49 GMT
Organization: D and D Data, Vienna Virginia

In article <1992Aug19.073553.23325@morwyn.uucp> forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.223049.761@cbnewsc.cb.att.com|  cmv@looney.att.com (Craig M. Votava) writes:
>|
>[ ... ]
>|
>| In any case, I'm still tied up with USL lawyers on the status of the source
>| code. As soon as I get something concrete from them, I will post the result.
>[ ... ]
>
>	Hi Craig! :)
>
>	Could you please elaborate on what the 'problem' is?  I realize part of
>	this to be very _typical_ of AT&T, but surely they cannot see this older
>	technology to be a risk factor in the market.  And given the fact that
>	it's not like they're releasing it into the public domain, but through
>	signed non-disclosure contracts.  They're free to keep an eye on us,
>	and nothing will prevent them from sueing someone if they screw up... ;)

	There's not much that can be done that isn't being done.  You have
to keep pushing *gently*.  If you don't push, nothing happens.  If you push
too hard, somebody gets their back up, and nothing will *EVER* happen.

	While the code is old, it is still the foundation on which later
versions were based, (they still aren't giving away v7 code, or even v6).
Also, sueing somebody small is bad press.  It's easier not to let the
situation occur.

>	You indicated in an earlier post that no one really had the authority to
>	say anything, which was bugging the lawyer you're in contact with.  If 

	Nobody was willing to step up and assume the authority, which is
common sense in a bureaucracy.

>	no one has the authority to say anything, then how on earth will this
>	ever be resolved?  Fire the lawyer?

	NEVER!  Then the new one would just have to start over, and it would
take as long again.  Also, the lawyer is not under our control to fire,
since it is an AT&T lawyer, not ours.  (Well, USL, which is a part of AT&T -
Unix Systems Lab, I think).  I am not at all surprised that it is taking
this long.  This *IS* a bureaucracy, after all, and the first rule is "Never
take responsibility for anything if you can pass it on to someone else."
Nobody ever got fired for *NOT* releasing something.

	It would take somewhat less time if we were purchasing access to the
source code - that's something that the lawyers understand, and know how to
handle.  Also, someone who can swing that kind of bucks is less likely to be
a sympathetic victim in a lawsuit.  They'll look better if they have to sue
mr bigbucks. :-)

	Cool it, Forrie
		DoN.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: rmfowler@landru.mtc.ti.com (Rex Fowler)
Subject: Re: Ping for TCP/IP
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:29:37 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.105829.1560@crash> cwr@crash.cts.com (Will Rose) writes:
>Aaargh!  Excuse me while I scream and twitch a lot.  Anyway, Thad's
>message came in time to stop me typing in twelve pages of ping client
>code from Steven's network book.  Maybe later...

Typing in the code would be silly since all of the code from his 
2 books is on ftp.uu.net.   I forget the exact pathname but it's 
something like /public/published/books/stevens/netprog.tar.Z.

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