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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      rules

>This concept of rules is totally illusory - we build up our input
>and output processing mechanisms by feeding in many examples as
>we grow through childhood.  Our neural hardware adapts its configurations
>so that our outputs match those of people around us.  Seeing some
>formal rules or structures in the behaviour we exhibit is a conceit
>of the mind and a function of our continual striving to extract
>patterns in what we see - in this case higher-level patterns in
>the patterns.
>
>Graham

This one question has always confused me. What does it mean to say that
the "concept of rules is illusory" ? It might be said that even though
rules describe behaviour, that's not how behaviour is "implemented".
But what is the meaning of "such and such behaviour is implemented by
such and such rules" ? If they are implemented by magic or by networks
which learn, they are still implemented by those "rules", aren't they ?

Is there any notion of "implementation" by rules which is different from
that of "behaviour which accords to the rules" ?

tushar
From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: instant soprano
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:02:41 GMT
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Frank threatens:

>That mutt won't be a sir either if my sword and I ever catch up
>with him.  

>*whack* *whack* ... instant soprano.

>--
>Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
>Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921


--Bayla, in Pedant hat, notes that it is her understanding that castration 
*after* the voice has changed does *not* result in sopranification of the
victim.  The famed castrati were mutilated before adolescence, their
parents being the ones giving "informed consent."

I doubt, however, whether accuracy will prevail over colorful idiom,
especially one so closely related to tender male sensitivities.

--bayla
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      TV
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I just looked in the local tv guide (from newspaper) to see whether
the computer series that's supposed to start tonight on PBS is listed.
I saw something called "Creative Spirit" listed for 8 p.m.  Does that
sound right?  There's no info about it -- just the name.  I used to
get a special guide from PBS with all kinds of good details, but I
guess I don't anymore.  Must be because I haven't sent them any
contributions recently.

Hmmm.  It just occurred to me that the way the list mail is acting
I won't get a reply to this question by 8 p.m.  Guess I'll just stick
a tape in and end up with whatever "Creative Spirit" is, good or bad.
Or I'm assuming that it's "Creative Spirit" from 8 till 9.  The other
way to read the guide would be "Creative Spirit Madness" from 8 till 10.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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>You cat has been masculated?

No, it's not an ex-female, it's just my ex-cat.  It went schizoid a
couple years back, deciding it needed to spray the dining room on a
regular basis and forgetting where the litter box was.  It now lives
outdoors, with a nice elderly lady in the boondocks.

--Aaron
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Dress like Rita, cheaply
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              13, 92 2:15 pm

>
> >[quoted without permission from the latest issue of EFFector Online]
>
>         I don't mind if you quote me, Portiliciousness.
>
> Rita
>
  Thanks for your benificence....

Steve
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: nothing wrong

> As we use language to think, the limitations of our language(s) limits
> the ability to conceptualize.

Yes, Mr. Whorf?  Are you really sure that all those fires got started
because of the English use of the words "full" and "empty" in reference
to gas cans, or might it have had something to do with lack of understanding
of what causes fires rather than with the language?

> This leads rather alarmingly back to that statement about kids with
> ghetto dialects not being able to think up to speed with those who
> have "proper" English...

Right.  And to the poor Japanese who can't handle math and science.  I
wonder if my Honda is going to fall apart on my way home because it
was designed by people with such a strange concept of verbs. ;-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder and Clambake and Stuff
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>Who was it who implied earlier today that we're all a bunch of reality-
>avoiding net freaks?  This clambake is for real -- it's not a virtual
>clambake.  Clams don't pass through the nets very well.  Nor does Cajun
>music.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

This list is for real, too.  Witness the Great Words-L Phone-A-Thon of
early February..I have the phone bill for any skeptics.

--Prof. H, getting into the nitty-gritty of macroecon studying.
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... this nasty, unsettling feeling that the press is determining who
>will be our next president.
>Rita

and I wonder why anyone in his/her right mind would want the job, what with
scrutiny of their private lives.... How many of us could stand up to that?
I know I'd be out in a NY minute...
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English geeks (was Re: in-jokes and such

Cheereth      Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS@CWU.BITNET>

> Yay!!! Let's hear it for English majors turned programmers.

     My former boss claims that he worked at a shop where everyone was
a music major turned programmer.  Himself included.

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: descriptivism

> If they are each speaking their native language and can communicate but
> use different sets of grammatical conventions (different, but not so
> different that they hinder communication) then they are speaking
> different dialects...and each dialect is 'correct' for the person using
> it.
>
> --Fwp, a technogeek who knows doodly squat about linguistics, economics
>        or anything else that doesn't come with keyboard attached.

Good grief.  Is there *NOTHING* that FWP doesn't know???  What he just
wrote strikes me as the most sensible posting on this topic yet.  Hey --
I've got an idea.... I could bring this stack of papers to the Computing
Center and play with Ra while FWP grades them for me...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

(By "what he just wrote" I mean all of it, not just the part I quoted
above.  I included the last paragraph as representative of the whole
posting.)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re:Elvis stamp
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  How 'bout stamps for Jim Morrison,
> Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Charlie Parker, et al... How 'bout individual
> stamps for the 100 000 or so killed by alcohol every year?
>
> Les

BTW, has anyone seen Patricia Kennealy's new book on her life with Morrison?
Two weeks ago it was supposed to be in the bookstores any day, but I haven't
found one yet.  I want to see how her account differs from that of
Oliver Stone.
ndh
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Subject:      Re: BWP Stats 4/4/92
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              06 Apr 92 16:33:19 EST." <9204061807.aa23918@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>:
>Don,
>  Being a math major, I get enough mathematical enlightenment just
>going to classes:  Jacobi method, SOR method, eigenvectors, eigenvalues,
>Gaussian elimination, norms of matrices and vectors, .... :-)
>
>Evelyn

	Ah, we have another mathematician, or at least one in the making!
	Watch out, you librarians!

- Dr. DR, PfhtpthD
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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> because if it sounds right, it usually is.... you never have to think about
> grammar until you have to take a foreign language...Latin is good, but
> actually, almost any Romance language will do...

I don't think you need to confine yourself to Romance languages--I think
that any foreign language will serve the purpose of making you think
about grammar in your own language.

Karen
List Angel and Japanologist
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Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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>From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>
>
>In article <WORDS-L%92040911151497@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
>BGRISSOM%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
>>  corpus of machine-readable text.  The book has two disadvantages:
>>  It's intended for people who are learning English as a second
>>  language, and it's English English, not American English.  But its
>
>Those are disadvantages?
>
>G
Of course they are, Graham.  It's not Scottish English, which we all know is
far superior to the brand spoken to the south or to any of the colonial
varieties.  Or do you disagree?  ;-)

Frank McLellan (although my relatives in Cape Breton spell it MacLellan)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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> But I've now remembered that I *was* teased during childhood!  I almost
> forgot my brother.  Is it even possible to have an older brother without
> being the victim of teasing?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I have no personal experience with older brothers, but I certainly don't
think it's possible to escape teasing with a younger brother.  Mine was
19 before I decided we should keep him.
ndh
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: electronic media
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        As far as the number of writers, novelists, journalists, etc. on
the net, I'd have to say there are far more than you'd expect, but still
not nearly enough.  Several newspapers have internet sites (the L.A. Times
and USA Today leap to mind).  *Many* *Many* SF writers on the various
networks, and to a lesser degree many non-genre authors and publishers.
For example, my supervisor, is has been on the net for years, published
"All I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten."

        In my experience, workshopping is only as successful as those
participating in it.  There are some advantages to doing it online --
people aren't afraid to be bold in making their criticisms, you can do
it when you have the time, etc.  But it is more difficult to form the
tight relationships online that you get in non-virtual workshops.
Words-l's family-like atmosphere is extremely rare for a public list.
I get a lot more out of face-to-face workshopping, but I haven't done
a whole of that online.  I tend to keep that fragment of my life
separate from my online self for various reasons.

        There's a paper in /pub/cud/papers called "electropolis" in the
archives on ftp.eff.org.  It's someone's senior thesis "communication
and community on internet relay chat."  You might find it interesting.

Rita
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Subject:      Re: Visceral response

Reporteth     Bayla Singer <bayla@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

> nature of his psyche with that of his wife: "She has a more guttural or a
> more emotional level with which she deals with things.  I deal with them
> ... intellectually."

> My guttural reaction: AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!.

     Now Bayla, no need to pieces emotionally about this.

The Ronin, who fully expects to get burned over this
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From: Birthday Dog <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Today

Guess who's ten years old now...
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \


	Who?

	Happy birthday, Bernard!!  You must be one of the few USers who find
	this a happy day.  I hope Natalie marks this momentous occasion with a
	great big cake, or a great big piece of rawhide, or the randy bitch of
	your dreams, or whatever else turns you on.

neal
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MTV
   it's not for everybody.

Chacon a son gout.
Mr. MRS
very sic
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Comenteth     "Aaron Dickey, still alive" <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>

> I don't think Bob Hope should be thought of as so low on the evolutionary
> scale.  A few months ago I watched the Montreal Comedy Festival show on
> HBO, featuring all the "funniest new comics!!"  By far, the funniest
> stand-up during the entire hour-and-a-half show was Milton Berle.

     I too am a fan of some of the 'older' comics.  I used to do Marx
Brother routines in high school.  (Note: My mother, for some reason,
only encouraged me practice Harpo's dialogs, though not quite in those
words.)  I suspect part of Bob Hope's problem is his success.  He is
now quite predictable because his jokes (and their style) are so well
known.

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: grammar
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> >In what ways is understanding what you're doing with grammar useful?
> >   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
> Although whatever I darned well say is grammatical, and although I my
> ear is a perfect grammar machine, writing English according to an
> accepted convention is something for which understanding what I am
> doing with grammar is very useful to me.

Good answer.  (And note that I did not say that there were not good
answers to the question.  I was surprised, however, that the first
answer posted happened to be a good one.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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>>My penmanship is messy too.  I print almost everything.
>>may be that I skipped the grade that covered cursive writing ...

>Yup, I skipped third grade in Phoenix Public Schools.
>Was supposed to spend the summer practicing handwriting....hah.....like
>THIS smartass kid could be made to spend hours making loops and swirls
>and squiggles and such.   My mother gave up.

I wasn't absent for the cursive writing lessons, but they didn't
help one bit.  The few people on the List who have seen samples of my
handwriting will attest that self-respecting MDs would run out of
the room screaming if they saw my penmanship.  I cannot always
decipher what I wrote down the day before: it's that bad.

Needless to say, the best course I ever took in school, in ANY school
or at ANY level, was Typewriting, in the 7th grade.

Ken
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>
> > > Actually, pencils should be banned, as they're discriminatory towards
> > > left-handers such as myself.  It smears all over the place when we
> > > write.  :)
> >
> I dunno, I'm left-handed and my favorite writing instrument is a #1
> pencil (the soft ones).
>
> But then I write Japanese.
>
> Karen

This is interesting...wonder how many words people are left-handed?
nch
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Subject:      econometrics

> ...  show that a
>minimum cost exists given an input requirement set that is a closed
>subset of the nonnegative orthant and strictly positive input prices.
>
>Steve Karlson

Hah. Follows trivially from compactness.

tushar
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Not that this is relevant, but I think that "input" and "output" are
two of the most horribly ill-formed nouns in English.

tushar
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)

Asketh        Graham Toal <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

> Well, I'm *always* getting into trouble by ending sentences with propositions.

     What else would one end a sentence with?  My rules say that
ending a senetnce with a preposition frequently leads to a sentence
with multiple parsings (Sorry, no examples off the top of my head),
but that it isn't a sin.  Just as using the passive voice isn't a sin,
just sometimes inappropriate.  (Have never been able to convince my
sister of this.  She *KNOWS* that passive voice is bad English.  I
can't get through to her that if ti really is bad, how did it get into
the language?)

The Ronin
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> at all. There isn't really any difference to speak of between French
> and English. Or English and Norwegian and German. They're pretty much
> the same language. It's perfectly possible to read lots of French
> without knowing a word of French.

Yes--some of us refer to these languages as 'cognate with English'--in
contrast to languages like Japanese, which are Truly Foreign.

Karen
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:51:52 EDT
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Income tax:form 8829
              10 Apr 1992 23:54:00 EST from <RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

>discover that I've got to find some darn new form--8829--in order
>to deduct home office expenses. I wonder if anyone has seen this
>form. I suppose tomorrow I'll have to dig up an H & R Block office
>and beg a copy.
>
If it's convenient for you, try your local library....Instead of just
printing up masses of forms which, if not used, have to be trashed, the
IRS now supplies a master notebook of ALL the forms which can be put
into a copy machine...I'm not sure, but I think this started last year....
It's the first time I've ever been impressed by anything the IRS did...

I haven't filed yet either, because I have to pay...thus want to postpone
as long as possible!