From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Mormon Claims Answered 2
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:12:35 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Re-formatted slightly to try to reduce bandwidth.

In article <a6fu02eV23vE01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, 
 agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:

Someone else:
> This extends to our eternal reward in that a person who
> tries to live a decent, honest life, respecting his
> neighbor, etc. will get a decent reward whether he is a 
> Christian, Moslem, or whatever.

Anthony:
[...]
> This statement is not only unbiblical, but this IS NOT what
> the LDS chuch teaches.  
[...]
> "[...] There is no salvation outside The Church Of Jesus
> Christ Of Latter Day Saints."  Mormon Doctrine p.670
[...]
> I can only assume that you are implying that I am taking 
> McConkie "out-of-context".  If that is so, please explain what
> McConkie means when he says this.  

In the quote above McConkie is equating "salvation" with the
Mormon concept of "exaltation".

D&C 76 makes it clear that every one will be "saved" in a kingdom
of glory except the sons of perdition, who will be cast into
outer darkness.

The kind of salvation referred to in the first quote at the
beginning of this post is the same kind as referred to in D&C 76.

Bruce R. McConkie is referring to salvation only in the sense of
"being saved in the Celestial Kingdom" as opposed to the
Terrestrial or Telestial kingdoms -- all of which are kingdoms of
glory.

I thought your reading of D&C 76 whould make this apparent.  
I am sorry if it did not.

What I meant by being "too legnthy to post [it] to the net" was
that I was reluctant to post the entire text of D&C 76 to the
net, not that any response I might give would be to length to
post.

Anthony:
> This is in print in every copy of the book MORMON DOCTRINE, 
> and he was an Apostle of the church.  

Jason:
> I don't believe he was an apostle when he wrote it.
> He became one some time after the book was published.

Anthony: 
> But it was still published by the Church after he became an
> Apostle, and according to section 68 of D&C, these views are
> Scripture.

No, it was, and still is published by Bookcraft.

There is a difference between "Published by Bookcraft" and
"Published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
or "Published by the Corporation of the President of The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".  The latter two, in
addition to being much more lengthly, represent from whence
church sponsored publications come from.  Books published by
"Deseret Book" and "Bookcraft" are not official publications of
the church, even if the church does own the companies.

According to D&C 50:19-24 they are not scripture.

Anthony:
[...]
> Once again, Brigham also stated, "I have never preached a
> sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not
> call Scripture" Journal of Discourses V13 p95.

Jason:
[...]
> "And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive
> it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
>
> "If it be some other way it is not of God.
> 
> "Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he
> that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it
> is preached by the Spirit of truth?
> 
> "Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand
> one another, and both are edified and rejoice together.
> 
> "And that which does not edify is not of God, and is darkness."
> (Doctrine and Covenants 50:19-23.)
> 
> It seems to me that comparing Brigham Young's statement above
> with the LDS standard works provides a valuable interpretation
> and qualification to B. Young's statement.

Anthony:
> It sure should!

I'm confused.  Are you agreeing with me then, that everything
that B. Young, B. R. McConkie, and any other church leader ever
said is not necessarily scripture unless the receiver of the word
accepts it as such or is told so by the Holy Spirit?

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