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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Lurker Questions -- Why always after bucks, not does
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:48:11 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec16.084922.20330@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   sarah@cs.arizona.edu (Sarah M. Officer) writes:
 
>Anyways, back to the subject of shooting bucks, I would
>suspect that since one buck can impregnate multiple does,
>thinning out the buck population can be done without changing
>the number of fawns the following year.
 
 
Your logic is good only in areas where the habitat can support
a larger deer population than it currently has.  Since in many
areas, this is not the case, then the "objective" is to either
maintain the herd at current populations or actually reduce it.
With that in mind, a buck to doe ratio of 1:1 is much more desirable
as it results in a more stable deer population, and a herd that is
in better physical shape.  I am refering only to whitetails here,
your analysis of elk (which I deleted for bandwidth) where a ratio
of 15:1 is better may in fact be correct for them.  But each species
will have it's own optimum ratio.
 
 
>This may have
>something to do with why most tags are for bucks.
 
IMHO, the number of tags frequently has more to do with old traditions
than scientific fact.  But that is changing (at least in Texas where
the number of does killed has increased dramatically over the past
couple of years while the number of bucks killed has dropped slightly).
 
One further point, does are easier to kill only as long as people
don't shoot them.  Once traditions change to the point where people
will kill does as readily as they do bucks, then killing a doe will
eventually be as "difficult" as killing a buck.  Kinda like survival
of the fittest does, don't you think?
 
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From: romingk@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Karl Rominger)
Subject: Re: Tracking
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:25:30 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec16.084942.20397@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kimh@eng.umd.edu  
(Kim Xy Ho) writes:
> 
> I am looking for some books or other sources of information on tracking
> animals. I would really like to learn tracking.  If anyone can give me
> some pointers, please let me know?
> 

Trapping magazines are good sources of info.
Try Fur Fish Game or The Trapper and Predator Caller.
Also many libraries have field guides.
However, nothing beats experience, so get out and start tracking.

Karl


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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Recovery of wounded game
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:05:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

   In article <1992Dec14.073557.22636@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN) writes:
   >
   >The best advice I ever got.....
   >
   >1.  
   >Take your shot.  Deer/buck is VISIBLY HIT: drops like a sack of
   >doorknobs, goes down struggling, and is trying to get up or staggers
   >and starts to make off.
   >
   >2.
   >RELOAD *FAST*.
   >
   >3.
   >Either: take follow-up shot if buck is making off and the scenario is 
   >obviously appropriate to this.
   >
   >Or: *INSTANTLY* RUN FLAT OUT TO CLOSE THE RANGE if buck is down and
   >struggling -- administer coup de grace asap.  Don't stroll over
   >casually on the assumption that it's out for the count whilst you take
   >your time to light up, pop a cool one, and waddle over.
   >
   >Or: *INSTANTLY* RUN FLAT OUT TO CLOSE THE RANGE if buck is down and
   >motionless.  It's only dead when either the brain is destroyed or a
   >rifle muzzle applied to an eye brings no physical reaction.


I have to disagree.  A few weeks ago, I shot a doe through one lung
and out through her paunch.  She was about 30 yards away when I shot
her.  I only waited afew seconds to follow her.  I went to where she
was standing when shot and found a little hair.  I followed her
ttracks for about 15 yards when she exploded from a bed and ran out of
sight.  She had went about 30 yards from where she was hit.  If I
would have waited for even 5 minutes, she still would have been in
that first bed.

As is was, I followed her for another 20 yards and lost the blood
trail.  I was thinking I had lost her and went back to camp to get
help finding her and give her time to die.  When I returned, I
traveled on my hands and knees for another 30 yards and there she was.
She died in mid stride and skidded to her final resting spot.  If the
shot would have been a bit less fatal, I may have lost her.

tim


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From: kimh@eng.umd.edu (Kim Xy Ho)
Subject: Tracking
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:49:42 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


	Hi everybody,
	
	I am looking for some books or other sources of information on tracking
	animals. I would really like to learn tracking.  If anyone can give me
	some pointers, please let me know?

						Thank you in advance

						Mark



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From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Subject: Re: Recovery of wounded game
Organization: Lehigh University
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:49:52 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec15.090529.14255@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu
(Tim Rigg) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Dec14.073557.22636@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za
(MR KR COMAN) writes:
>   >
>   >The best advice I ever got.....
>   >
>   >[Advises to follow hit deer immediately]
>
>I have to disagree.  A few weeks ago, I shot a doe through one lung
>and out through her paunch.  ...
>[Advises to wait 5 minutes before following]

   I have to disagree with you. All my deer were hit, dropped, and dead with
   one shot. the trick is to destroy as much bone as possible. A .30-06  180gr
   PSP smack dab in the middle of the shoulder between 20yds and 70yds have
   had the SAME effect on all of them. If they can't run, they won't.

   --Paul

   


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From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Subject: Re: field dressing question
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:24:05 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec16.084449.20094@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sab@cblpe.att.com (Shawn A Beachy) writes:
>I am hoping that someone out there can answer a question that
>I have concerning field dressing a deer.  The question is -- Is
>it necessary to remove the tarsal glands from the hind legs of
>a buck when field dressing it?
>
>


I can answer you're question from a similar experience.
Having grown up in Whitetail country in the mountains
of Virginia.  My dad and I argued this same point and 
we tried both ways, we discovered that there isn't any
noticable difference.  Of course, our game rarely hung
for more than one day before we had it cut and in the
freezer.

                    
BTW, what kind of deer did you bag?  How big was it?
Just interested in where to pick up my steak.

Greg





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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Colt 45
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:32:31 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec11.075133.13960@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, Gregory.Dilley@EBay.Sun.COM writes:
|> Does Colt still make a version of there double action 45 revolver?
|> 
|> If not, what is the closest handgun to the classic Colt 45?
|> 

I thought that the classic colt .45 was the Single Action Army (i.e.
peacemaker). A lot of companies (imports) make replicas in the $400-$800
dollar range and colt makes it in the You've-got-to-be-kidding price
range. I believe that Wesson Firearms and S&W make DAs in .45 Long Colt
but how they compare to a classic DA I don't know. I have no idea
whether Taurus, Rossi or the others make DAs in .45 LC.

				mike


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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: Recovery of wounded game
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:05:11 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec14.073557.22636@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN) writes:
>
>The best advice I ever got.....
>
>1.  
>Take your shot.  Deer/buck is VISIBLY HIT: drops like a sack of
>doorknobs, goes down struggling, and is trying to get up or staggers
>and starts to make off.
>
>2.
>RELOAD *FAST*.
>
>3.
>Either: take follow-up shot if buck is making off and the scenario is 
>obviously appropriate to this.
>
>Or: *INSTANTLY* RUN FLAT OUT TO CLOSE THE RANGE if buck is down and
>struggling -- administer coup de grace asap.  Don't stroll over
>casually on the assumption that it's out for the count whilst you take
>your time to light up, pop a cool one, and waddle over.
>
>Or: *INSTANTLY* RUN FLAT OUT TO CLOSE THE RANGE if buck is down and
>motionless.  It's only dead when either the brain is destroyed or a
>rifle muzzle applied to an eye brings no physical reaction.
>

I would like to point out here that it is very dangerous to run with 
a loaded weapon in hand. No matter the reason. I would also like to 
point out that it is very dangerous running in the woods anyway with
hidden holes under the leaves, etc...  A fellow club member was at 
our lease one morning several years ago and he happened to shoot a
spike buck. The buck went down and moments later it got up and tried
to take off. My friend was sitting on the ground and immediately 
tried to close the distance as you suggested. He happened to step on
a small log which rolled out from under foot to the side of him.
This caused his ankle to turn before he put weight on it. When he did
put weight on it, it broke. THe next day he was in the hospital with
screws in his ankle and out of work for a while. Oh, the buck went 
back down on its own anyway. I had to drag it out, load it, and then
drive him and his truck out. If my friend had not been wearing boots
it might have even been nastier. Just be careful out there.

>2 cents worth from the Dark Continent....
>Cheers
>Keith

My 2 cents worth.


Keith

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From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Subject: Re: Colt 45
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:32:39 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Dec11.075133.13960@doug.cae.wisc.edu> Gregory.Dilley@EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Does Colt still make a version of there double action 45 revolver?
>
>If not, what is the closest handgun to the classic Colt 45?

I think by CLASSIC you mean the SINGLE ACTION Colt 45 revolver; however,
they do make a double action .45 revolver too.  The single action is what
you would see John Wayne use in a cowboy movie.  Yes Colt still makes
them, but be prepared to pay over $1200 for one.  Replicas are available
>from Uberti for about half the price but then it isn't a real Colt.

Colt's old style double action would be the New Service 1917 revolver,
which is no longer available.  They currently make the Anaconda model
(a double action revolver) in both .44 Mag and .45 Long Colt.  This 
pistol is a similar size but has modern features such as adjustable 
sights and a full underlug barrel.  These can be had for about $450.

brian@pdx.csd.mot.com
-- 
"It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
be without effect..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803


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From: hamid@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Hamid Mir)
Subject: Duck boat
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:52:38 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am considering the purchase a new boat for duck hunting. I am looking
at a boat from a company called Phoneix Products they sell a boat called
the Poke boat. I am interested in one of their larger models the Vagabond.
I saw their add in Wildfowl magazine and I sent for some info, the boat looks
pretty good but it is mail order. I am reluctant to purchase a mail order
boat untill I hear some more about it. Does anyone out there know or heard
anything about these guys. They are located in Kentucky.

The boat is something like a large Kayak, it seems much better than the 
traditional canoe for stability and speed.

Hamid



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From: sab@cblpe.att.com (Shawn A Beachy)
Subject: field dressing question
Organization: AT&T
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:44:48 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am hoping that someone out there can answer a question that
I have concerning field dressing a deer.  The question is -- Is
it necessary to remove the tarsal glands from the hind legs of
a buck when field dressing it?

The rationale that I have heard behind this is that if this is
not done, the meat will taste strong.  However, I believe I
recall a tip in "Field & Stream" that said that this was not
necessary and is more of a ritual than a necessity.  In fact,
removing the tarsal glands before removing the entrails could
actually contaminate some of the meat if you don't clean your
knife first.

My cousin and I kind of got into a mini debate on the issue and
started me thinking.  I didn't remove the tarsal glands on
my buck this year and will get my deer back from the butcher this
weekend so I may soon have the answer to my own question.  I'll
appreciate any facts or anecdotes that anyone out there can
provide in the meantime however.


Shawn


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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: New dart board for hunters?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:33:10 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Was looking through some disposed of junk mail of my fathers the other
day, and saw a nifty new dart-board in one of his christmas hunting
catalogs.  It was a dartboard with a profile of a deer's body on it
and the kill area was outlined.

Now that is my kind of dart game....

swood

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From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: Questions from a lurker
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:48:00 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

rewald@stsci.edu writes:

   Two: It seems like everyone is going for the bucks, and will settle
   for does if they *really* have to.  Given the current over-population
   of deer in many places, would it make sense to harvest more does for a
   little while?  Then there would be more food for the bucks, and the
   young ones that are produced would be bigger, stronger, etc.  Or are
   these just naive thoughts?  Or is this all taken care of by the folks
   who issue the tags?

Three thoughts come to mind:  first, tradition calls for taking bucks,
not does out of some weird sort of misplaced chivalry.  Second, some
hunters want a trophy; not in itself a bad thing as long as the meat
is taken as well, but contributing to more bucks being taken than
does.  Third (and the only valid reason of the three I'm mentioning)
is that the condition of the deer herd varies from place to place.
Down where I am (bottom of New Mexico) only buck tags are issued, and
there is talk that deer licenses may be on a lottery next year!  I
visit my brother-in-law near Dallas and get really, really envious...

-Joe.


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Re: 7.62x39 for hunting?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:34:40 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec8.075609.8465@doug.cae.wisc.edu> random@nw4ep.att.com (David L Pope) writes:
>From: random@nw4ep.att.com (David L Pope)
>Subject: Re: 7.62x39 for hunting?
>Date: 8 Dec 92 07:56:09 CST

>I also load up some 110gr JHP ammo that I keep around for dogs, etc.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>These might be good groundhog loads.

I must assume here that you intended feral dogs to be you target.  As
a bird hunter I have come to realize that a good bird dog has an
intrinsic value greater than a great many creatures with thumbs and
very little hair.

>> Is it feasible to take FMJ's to the bench grinder and remove some of the
>> jacket from the tip? I remember you guys talking about the lead shooting
>> out of the casing and leaving the casing in the bore. Could this happen
>> to me?
>
>The problems I see with this are more along the lines of the bullet weight
>being inconsistent, and the ballistic coefficient not remaining constant.
>I feel that if you are going to the trouble to custom-load hunting ammo,
>you should get the best components you can afford. I test-fire my loads
>using FMJ (cheaper), and use the soft points (harder to find) in the
>field. A box of 50 field loads should get 50 deer, so I should only need
>a couple boxes of these. (NOTE: I can't use the SKS to hunt deer in my 
>home state. I go out-of-state whenever possible to play with this rifle.)
>
>		David L. Pope
		
Lot of problems with the above were noted in a thread about home-made
hollow points, some time ago.  A couple of the negs. were unbalanced
projectile and shooting the core out of the jacket while leaving the
jacket in the bore for the next round to hit.  Bottome line was: bad
idea.

DGA



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From: jcrowder@morse.cns.vt.edu (Jeff Crowder)
Subject: Information requested: Remington 722 300 savage
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:49:08 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I'm too cheap to buy my own Blue Book.  Would someone give me a
breakdown on a used Remington 722 in 300 savage?  I'm just looking
around for one so a range of conditions would be good.

I'd also entertain any insight anyone has to offer about this specific
rifle (I'm going to use it for whitetail hunting).  I'm not really
interested in ballistics; I know its a fine caliber (uh oh) for the
task.  Particularly, if there are distinctions of significance between
production years, I'd like to hear about them.  My brother mentions that
the extractors may pose some deficiencies; any seconds?

I currently use a 7mm rem mag which is alright.  But the first deer I
ever harvested, (and a few more after that), was taken with a 300
savage which belonged to my Dad.  He later received a collector's
edition 30-06 from my Mom for Christmas and gave the Remington to my
brother.  I think he'd just as soon've kept hunting with the old 300
savage but he dared not (the 30-06 was pretty ornate; I think even my
Mom would have noticed the switch).  Anyway, this year I wound up
carrying the old Remington due to an unfortunate incident involving a
box of 7mm shells left on the tailgate of a departing truck.  The day
turned into one of those really good hunts; crisp air, no other people
spotted (except my brother who was criscrossing the brushy ridges just
like a good dog), lots of game and non-game animals active, and a
LARGE bag of deer jerky and ham sandwiches prepared by my loving Mom.
And that old Remington felt so sweet; she came up so nice when I
picked a deer for a shot and the animal suffered very little.  (In
hopes of averting any ballistical derision, let me note that I'd taken
one the day before with the 7mm.  The shots were equally placed
through the heart and the deer shot with the 300 savage ran no
farther; about 50 yards, how do they do it?).

I want to keep the 7mm mag just in case I ever DO get out west.  But
I'd like to pick up a 300 savage for deer hunting here.  My wretched
brother won't consider selling his, (though I'm sure he'd give it to
me if I asked him to).

P.S.  Heck, while your at it, how about looking up a Smith and Wesson
12 guage pump?  My Dad picked up a used one somewhere a few years back
and gave it to me for Christmas.  Its the only one I've ever seen.
I'm just kind of curious about it.  Thanks...


Jeff Crowder
jcrowder@morse.cns.vt.edu


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From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Scoping Targets
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:35:36 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


   Much deleted

>	This trip they had moved again and I scoped, trying to pick
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>out the biggest doe.  

   Much Deleted

NOT A FLAME just a civil reminder.  The circumstance may have been
fine to use a scope in the case from which this excerpt was taken.

A GREAT many shooters (not just hunters) who would never, ever
consider pointing a loaded (or even one that they believed to be
empty) rifle at someone 10 yards away, don't even think about pointing
the same weapon at someone or something at 150 yards.  They have a
loaded rifle, often sighted at 100+ yards and they are using the
sighting device to determine if the target is valid.  If the weapon is
well sighted at 100 yards and the + is on the entity being "scoped" at
"up-close" to "way-out-there" an accidental discharge means that that
entity is shot.  Just like at 10 yards.

Use non-lethal optics to collect information and reserve the scope as
a sighting device.

Sorry, just a sore point for me.

DGA 



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From: maynard@convex.com (Mark Maynard)
Subject: Re: Goose recipe
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:47:30 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Here's a little something I pulled off the net a while back.

"The White Knight's Cookbook",  Marion Zimmer Bradley. p6
    The Most Outrageous Recipe Ever
    M.F.K. Fisher, in her delightful book on hard-times and poverty
    cooking, "How to Cook a Wolf", discovered this one in an ancient
    manuscript.
        How to Cook a Live Goose.
        Take the goose, pull off the feathers, make a fire about her, not too
        close for smoke to choker her, or burn her too soon, not to far off
        that she may escape.  Put small cups of salt and wter, with honey ...
        also dishes of apple sauce.  She will drink water to relieve her of
        thirst, eat apple sauce to cleanse and empty her of dung.  Keep her
        heart and head wet with a sponge.  When she gets giddy from running
        and begins to stumble, she is cooked enough.  Take her up, set her
        before the guests; she will cry as you cut off any part of her, and be
        eaten almost before she is dead ... it is mighty pleasant to behold ....

Have a wonderful Christmas dinner, y'all.:-)
Mark


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: lawler@ektools.kodak.com (Ed Lawler)
Subject: Re: field dressing question
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:45:08 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec16.084449.20094@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sab@cblpe.att.com (Shawn A Beachy) writes:
>I am hoping that someone out there can answer a question that
>I have concerning field dressing a deer.  The question is -- Is
>it necessary to remove the tarsal glands from the hind legs of
>a buck when field dressing it?

Don't do it. Leave the tarsal glands alone. I've shot and butchered
many deer and never had a problem. It's more important to carefully
field dress the deer, hang it head done, don't try to age it, and
cool the deer down quickly. Also, try to find some good recipes.




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From: romingk@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Karl Rominger)
Subject: Trapping
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:25:40 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Anyone got any good trapping stories or info?

Karl


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