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From: Jim.Lagerquist@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lagerquist)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Welcome
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:44:19 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Dick - a warm welcome to K-12 Net from Maple Valley, Washington (30 miles  Southeast
of Seattle).  If you have any elementary level teachers interested in having
their students communicate with our students, let me  know (this includes "primary"
level students).
Jim


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From: Helmut.Wessels@test.nsn.ni.schule.de (Helmut Wessels)
Organization: Test-Betrieb (Orga), Niedersaechsisches Schulnetz
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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Welcome Wagon
Date: 20 Jul 92  18:27:00 MET

In a msg of <19 Jul 92>, Ken Blystone writes to All:

 KB> K12 Net Teachers,
 KB> Please join me in welcoming the Wolverine K12 Net BBS to the network.  The

[...]

 KB> Please take a minute to send Dick a message welcoming the Wolverine
 KB> BBS into the K12 Network.  I think it would be nice to let the
 KB> principal at Wiggs Middle School see how many nodes their school is
 KB> now plugged into.  Thanks!

Hello, Dick,
This is the "lower saxony school net" (Niedersachsen, Germany). At this time
there are 10 schools plugged together and reading the K12 news. Our holidays
are ending at 4th of august, so I hope to have more news from germany in the
K12 areas in august.

Helmut
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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
From: mwhitman@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Whitman)
Subject: Re: Parents In Teacher Chat
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:40:54 GMT

Hello Jack,

My name is Michael Whitman and I get the K-12 echoes here on the Internet. 
I just wanted to make a comment on the exclusiveness of the .chat.teacher echo.

Since the echoes are carried here on the Internet (or more correctly the Usenet)
 tehn there is no real way to keep parents, or any one else for that matter,
from posting to any group they want to, if they have Net access.  I do realize
that for those who have acces through Fido there is a way, but on the Net it
would be an impossibility to restrict any newsgroup.

Just thought I would mention it.  BTW I am in the Teacher Education Program
here at the University of Washington, in my second of five quarters.

                                          Michael

p.s.  Sorry about the typos, but I have not had time yet to set up a quality
editor for my newsreader.  VI is not my choice of a user friendly program.









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From: John.Feltham@f702.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Educational Software For
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:48:46 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/702 - Grammar BBS, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Keith,

 KB> OK.  In Oz, what's a Yard Ape?

ahhhhh, dunno, do you?

ooroo


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From: Ronald.Bellamy@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Ronald Bellamy)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Teacher/Hams?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 09:10:06 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton Alta

89
My friend has upgraded to a Mac but he kept his IIgs just to run Packet.   I'll find out what software he uses for it and let you know.  I am also  looking around to find equipment.



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From: Rick.Scriven@f158.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Scriven)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Tele. Class
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 10:59:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/158 - Silver Lake Too, Everett Wa

Hi John.  I just read your message today.  Thanks for the response. 
I am a fifth grade teacher in Marysville, Washington.  I have been
teaching for about 15 years.  I read the book "Cuckoo's Egg" for an 
up nad comming class in my masters program (computer education) on 
telecommunications.  I am very excited about taking the class and am 
very interested in meeting more people on the BBS.  Drop me a line 
anytime.

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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
From: Steve.Townsend@p0.f118.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Townsend)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Apple IIe
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:50:21 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/118.0 - Keithley Komputer K, Tacoma WA

To Ronald Bellamy,

    I found your name while browsing through the 

"K12.Teacher.Chat". You made reference to a friend who uses 

an Apple.IIgs.  Would you mind introducing us?

    My name is Steve Townsend.  I am using an Apple.IIe with 

a 1-meg ram and an Applied-Engineering-Data-Link-2400 

internal modem.  For software I am using Time.Out-Telemcomm 

by Beagle Brothers from inside of AppleWorks.

    For the most part, I like what I've got, but I still 

have some questions regarding configuration that I want to 

discuss.  There is a raging debate between the MAC and IBM 

people on the Educator.Echo, but us Apple enthusiasts are 

getting fewer and further between.  If your friend (or 

anyone else who reads this!) wants to talk about Apple.II's, 

please drop me a line.

.....................................Steve



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From: Tom.O'Kelley@p0.f118.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Tom O'Kelley)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: Pose a Question
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:48:58 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/118.0 - Keithley Komputer K, Tacoma WA

I think that I would have an impossible task teaching if ever I failed 
to gain the respect of my students.  There are, of course, many aspects 
to respect, and I would never expect all students to respect the same 
teacherly attributes, or to respect the same things to the same level. 
I do not attempt to "be a buddy" to my students, although I always make 
it very clear that I have an ever-ready ear when a student wishes to 
talk to me.  I *never* put a student down or allow other students to do 
so, and I feel this has a good deal to do with the successes my students 
have attained.  Self-image is very important to them, and so very 
fragile at the 12 - 14 year-old stage.

I realize this is rambling, but please do give me feedback on it.  I am 
most willing to drag this particular idea around the field a few times 
trying to define it properly.  :)

                -Tom O'Kelley__



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From: Rob.Reilly@f223.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Reilly)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: PENPALS
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:54:28 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/223 - K12Net Mail Server, Lanesboro MA

Hello Again,
 
I spoke too soon, the info was in the next message to me!
 
I'll get it printed out and deal with it later today.
 
-Rob-


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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
From: colliera@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Any Available LD Teacher Positions in Charlotte, NC
Organization: UVA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:03:43 GMT

Hi, 
I'm posting this for my wife, Cailin Collier.  I have accepted a position in 
Charlotte, NC, and my wife is leaving a wonderful job to be with me.  She 
has over 4 years of experience teaching LD children for Oakland School, 
located near Charlottesville, VA.  Although she has been looking for a 
position in the Charlotte area, she has not been successful.  I appreciate
any responses.  I can be reached at my current address, COLLIERA@VAXA.GBUS.
VIRGINIA.EDU, through Tuesday, July 28.

Thank you,
Andy Collier
From: Soozi.Miller@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Soozi Miller)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: modems/computers
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:30:07 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

I caught your message and was fascinated to read about all of this activity.  I live in rural N. Central Montana, and using the BBS is not yet as alive as it sounds there.  I work for a Special Education Cooperative which serves a 5-county region (about 24,000 square miles) and I'm working on a project to get our schools and us to use one of the BBS's in our area.  I need convincing information to present to my director, and would love it if we could receive any info on how successful this is for you. Plea

se let me know by leaving a message.  Then I'll get back to you with an address.

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From: Susan.Purcell-Orleck@p5.f41.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Susan Purcell-Orleck)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Hello
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:31:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/41.5 - Metro-Net, Nashville TN

Hi Jim!

It's nice to hear from you.  I hope you don't have to wait too long for that
new grandchild ... they do tend to be on their own personal time frame though.
 

We are busy watching our new house go up.  We were hoping to move in before
school started but it looks like it will be one or two weeks into the new school
year.  They finished shingling the roof and began the wiring and plumbing yesterday.
 Sometimes it seems like it has been forever for them to get anywhere but everyday
they are changes.  We're real excited.  This will be my first house.

My sister is coming to visit on August 6.  She and her new baby will be here
for 5 days.  This will only be her second visit to Nashville and we are looking
forward to her visit.

I am also getting anxious for school.  I've already started dreaming about the
"first day" with my new students.  I've been doing a lot of reading and am also
anxious to try some new projects with my class ... especially in the area of
writing.

I'm also looking forward to our students exchanging letters.  It will be easier
this year ... since we have the whole year.  The first day of school for us
is Monday, August 31.  The teachers start on August 26.

Have fun at the cabin!  :)   :)   :)

                                     Susan

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From: Alice.Cotton@f2.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Alice Cotton)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: WHY DO YOU TEACH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 10:28:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/2

This is a very good question and one that I ask myself
frequently. I agree that the profession is deeply
stressful and filled with a level of frustration and a kind of
isolation difficult to explain to anyone who has never taught, 
so indeed, why stay in, why keep teaching? I believe the question
WHY TEACH may be a bit easier to answer because as a newcomer 
one is filled with a love of children, ideals and a fantasy version
of what it is all about. But soon this new teacher is faced with the
distressing reality that the teaching profession is not really 
about teaching children, but about the survival of a massive
political beaurocractic entity, not to mention the part
about the useful societal function you serve as a whipping
post for unhappy parents and adults to vent their frustration
and personal unhappiness.
The question really becomes at this point, WHY CONTINUE 
TEACHING? Perhaps for some teaching is where they started
and they don't know where else to go? Perhaps for some the 
love of learning and children are strong enough to overcome
the difficulties of the profession or they have found 
acceptable and creative ways to survive it. Perhaps some
like to take on the challenge of surviving the system or
the quest of trying to change it. 
For me, I would say it is a combination of all these things. 
I personally thrive on challenge and I believe I am quite good 
in the classroom. I refuse to be taken down by misaligned adults 
and politics so I approach each school year with the idea that I 
WILL survive and win - kind of like
going into battle.  I WILL give my children what I believe to be
a highly motivating, top quality education despite the dynamics
of working within a system that tends to promote mediocrity, 
miscommunication, and few rewards for teachers. I think
it is a matter of being very shrewd and cunning amidst what I see
as an insane, dehumanizing political beaurocratic entity. 
So, again, why continue teaching? For me, I feel an intense empathy
for the children I work with and I am determined to provide them
with a healthy, positive living/learning experience. I don't want to
give up on this ideal, not yet, anyway.

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From: Jim.Lagerquist@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lagerquist)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: Internet
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 07:48:46 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Brian - The "system" is working. Jim


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:08:31 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

HI, I'm alive..I think!


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From: Terry.Smith@f601.n713.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Smith)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Island Holidays.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:44:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:713/601 - OzWorld BBS, Parramatta NSW

To all those lucky teachers from the states who were recently 
holidaying on Heron Island (Great Barrier Reef, Australia) 
with.

I trust you enjoyed yourselves as much as I did and had a 
safe trip home. Hope to converse with some more of your 
fellow workmates again in the future.

From the (now) bronzed Ozy,
Terry.



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From: Donald.Bear@f111.n213.z1.fidonet.org (Donald Bear)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: INTERNET
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:13:18 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:213/111 - The Daily Planet, Reno NV

Well this is Reno, NV calling in.  I work at the University of Nevada, reno, and we are seting up a teacher support group for Foxfire teachers in our area on the BBS called the Daily Planet.  I hope you can get some children on.  Take care. db


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From: Rob.Reilly@f223.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Reilly)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Project Channel
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 10:03:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/223 - K12Net Mail Server, Lanesboro MA

Hello Helen,
 
Nice to hear from you.
 
 HS> Sounds good.  Why don't we plan on using Channel 5. 
 HS> lets give it 2 months from  now to Sept 20th. 
 
Sounds good to me also.
 
Thanks.
 
-Rob-


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From: Jim.Lagerquist@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lagerquist)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: Demonstration
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 92 19:49:28 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Gary - A short line from a fellow Lesley College Alumni - I've been using  K-12
Net for about a year. We've used it for teacher to teacher communication as
well as penpal projects with first and second grade students.  I've learned
a great deal and it's a lot of fun!! Jim


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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: TEACHING & ADMINISTRIVIA 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:13:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Dennis,

Interesting situation there in Queensland. At I read the first half of
your message, where you explained:

-> These AST positions were to be merit-based, permanent (with
-> provisions) and available to all qualified applicants.  The salaries
-> were purposefully designed to overlap with the lower rungs of
-> administration posts. (I.e. small school principals, high school
-> subject masters, etc.)
-> The philosophy behind the creation of the positions was that too many
-> very good classroom teachers ended up as mediocre administrators,
-> mainly because there was literally no incentive, material or
-> otherwise, to remain full-time in front of students.  It also
-> addressed the fact that many teachers, especially those with years of
-> experience, were expending effort far in excess of some of their
-> administrators and so, should be recognised in some tangible manner.

I thought, wow, this is a great idea!! But as I continued reading the
part about all the troubles you are now having with the program, I see
that teachers all around the world have difficulty working with the
bureaucratic levels above them (for a minute there, I was almost ready
to move to Oz. ;-)

It sure sounds like the powers that be don't want your AST plan
implemented the way the teachers union originally envisioned it. Do you
suppose that might have something to do with the cost? (paying all those
teachers higher salaries can't be cheap)

Also, this seems blatantly unfair:

-> refused to allow the position to be transferred between schools.

I understand that you can be transferred (here in the states, a teacher
is usually employed be a school district, and teachers can be
transferred among the schools within the district; but districts are not
so large as an entire state. They usually only encompass a city, or two.
Well, sometimes a county, I suppose. If this could really happen:

-> that you could be assigned to teaching in San Francisco one day and
-> find yourself driving to take up your new position in Billings,
-> Montana the next.

how do you afford to sell your house and buy a new one at the drop of
the hat? are transfers like this really that common and frequent? What
about if your spouse is employed also? are they expected to just find a
new job near your new school site? I mean, if the example of San
Fransisco to Billings is accurate, well that's several DAYS drive. Do
they really do that? because it doesn't happen here. (Other stuff does,
but not that.)

Of course, I hope that you are able to work things out. The original
plan, as you described it, sounds wonderful. I have heard similar things
suggested here (suggested only, not implemented). A teacher I work with
who is from England says they have something similar there.

Good luck,

Sheila
                            

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From: Jim.Lagerquist@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lagerquist)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: Pose a Question
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 09:50:05 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Rik - In response to your question: It's my opinion that in order for optimum
learning to take place, a classroom climate needs to be established that includes
mutual respect between students and teacher as well as an emphasis on risk-taking.
 Students are not likely to take many  risks if a teacher does not value and
foster mutual respect.  What do you  think? 
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From: David.Doyle@f151.n263.z2.fidonet.org (David Doyle)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: K-12 From Ireland
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 11:48:48 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 2:263/151 - TOPPSI, Dublin Ireland

In a message to David Doyle <09 Jul 92 17:20> John Feltham wrote:

 JF> G'day David,

Hi!

 >DD> TB> hope you are saving some good weather for us.

 >DD><grin>... You'd better hurry we're having it now :-)  Temps
 >DD>the last few days have been 19 - 24 centigrade :-)

 JF> Well fancy that! those are the very temperatures that we had the other
 JF> day, and we're in the middle of winter..... brrrrr...   :-)

Want to swap :-)

See you, David



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From: Jim.Powell@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Powell)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: New baby
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:34:36 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hi, things are realy going great for our family.  We now have a granddaughter.  Our daughter Karen had a baby girl on July 23rd.  We are now baby sitting while she runs some errands.  Her name is unusual, it is Coral Skye Powell Dickinson.  She is doing fine.  My wife and I will be going on a short vacation to Carmel and the Monterey are this week.  We plan to do some walking along the beach and of course shop....Keep in touch.  Jim


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From: Don.Kauffman@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Don Kauffman)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: DTS Question
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:08:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton Alta

 > Often the term dead carries with it a sense of uncaring.
Do you meaning "apathetic", as in I go to work, put in the time and they pay me, and I really don't care about the people I work with?
 > In the case of the DEAD teachers, the name is more of a misnomer.   We
 > are truly not dead, although often our jobs (teaching) would be a lot
 > easier if we were dead from the waist up.
HUH ?!?  Whatever does this mean? Am I supposed to be uncaring from the waist up?  Or might you possible be saying that if a teacher cares TOO MUCH that might not make the best teacher? Why should our jobs "be a lot easier"? The job of teaching will never be easy, IMHO, but perhaps the removal of some of the administrivia load that some of us carry around could be reduced so that we have more time and energy to be TEACHERS.
 > However, The dead Teachers society comes from inspiration, as
 > the dead poets society  was a group paying homage to great writers of the
 > past, the DTS pays homage to those who began our journey!   All of us have
 > teachers who have guided us, helped us and opened
 > doors.   Those are the dead teachers who are always a part of us!
Many of the teachers I had are still very much alive, even though they are retired from teaching.  The word "Dead" as used here surely is confusing to me.
 > Kindling the Flame of Knowledge, the DTS 1992!
I am afraid that so far you have managed to Kindle the Flame of Confusion in my mind. I don't see how the DTS can be a useful entity.  Come back again, I will keep trying.



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