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From: ww@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:48 PST
Subject: KKK Rebuffed in Cincinnati
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Subject: KKK Rebuffed in Cincinnati
From: nyxfer!ww (Workers World Service)

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KKK rebuffed in Cincinnati

By Martha Grevatt
Cleveland

Hundreds of people took part in two anti-Klan protests in 
Cincinnati Dec. 19. The KKK had threatened to erect a 15-foot 
cross in the city's Fountain Square that day.

City Hall had cited "religious freedom" in granting a permit for 
this racist outrage, over community objections.

Besides its long history of organizing lynch mobs and night rides
to assassinate African American people, the Klan is also 
notorious for violent attacks on Jews and even Catholics in the 
name of Christianity. Hence, the Klan's use of the cross is 
actually directly opposed to religious freedom, while burning the
cross has become the symbol of racist lynchings.

On Dec. 19, a demonstration and a later vigil drew activists from
the African American, Jewish, and lesbian and gay communities. 
The actions featured militant chanting and signs reading, "No 
free speech for fascists."

The Klan did not show their faces that day. The following morning
before dawn, however, Cincinnati police helped a couple of KKK 
supporters put up the cross.

Several hours later an anti-racist white man tore down  the 
cross, breaking the legs holding it up. He has been charged with 
disorderly conduct.

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE: African American Buddhists interested in correspondence
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:06:24 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <29DEC92.00014756@edison.usask.ca>,
f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca writes:
>In a previous article, srose@mizar.usc.edu (Steve Rose) wrote:
>>Hello.  I am writing this note on behalf of my wife, Elaine.  She is
>>a Buddhist interested in Zen and other aspects of contemplative Buddhism.
>>She is looking for other Africans with an open-minded approach to Buddhism
>>to correspond with.
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Habib Rose
>
>Hi,
>i think you are tuned to a wrong channel. there is only one religion found
>by Africans for Africans - African Traditional Religion. The rest are invaders
>and i think they are responsible for most of our problems today (this is my own
>personal opinion; you can hold your own and let it be yours). i think this news-
>group has more important things to discuss in 1993 than religions. i suggest
>she tries s.c.india, s.c.china, s.c.mongolia, or s.c.anything not Africa. and
>i wish her goodluck.
>oguocha
.
.
Sorry, Oguocha, but Africans can be animists, Buddhists (especially
in my case, Nichiren Buddhism) and Christians and I think your
comments were rather unkind.  Give the woman and her man a break.
I support Habib Rose's right to help his wife get connected.
.
Like I said, y'all, I'm officially on vacation until 1/4/93...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:34:51 GMT



 [stuff deleted]



>> Really?  That's sincere, not sarcastic.  I don't live in the real world,
>> I live in a town in NY with an African-America population of at most 10 out
>> of 3000.  Yet even while I've probably only know 5 or 6 African-Americans
>> personally, I don't think I have a deep-rooted hatred for any minority group.
>> At the same time, I'm not qualified to debate what the rest of society
>> believes.  I guess I have a hard time believing there is an underlying
>> prejudice against African-Americans throughout white society.  Prejudice
>> is a personal, not societal matter isn't it?  My fear however, is that
>> because of AA, I'm going to have an extremely difficult time finding a job -
>> much more difficult than a woman or minority will.  Don't get tripped up
>> by this question:  Is is worse for an African-American to be prejudice
>> against a white because his/her ancestors were slave-holders, or is it
>> worse for a white to be prejudiced against an African-American because
>> his/her ancestors were slaves?
>
>If it is so much more difficult for a white man to get a job why is it that
>unemployment among blacks is on average twice that among whites?  Get a clue.
>Are you concerned that African-Americans will be refused jobs because of
>discrimination?
>
>It amazes me how people act surprised that after generations of continuing
>discrimination that blacks would express a dislike for white people.  It's
>called human nature.  Not everybody subsribes to the dictum "Love those that
>despisefullly use you".




    It truly is amazing. For anyone to think that a white man will
    have a more difficult time finding a job than an African-American
    even with AA (though in my opinion AA is very rarely practiced)
    indicates just how little whites know about conditions in america.
    Not only is it amazing but discouraging. Having read this newsgroup
    for a few months now, I'm sometimes left speechless. How do you
    debate people who begin with the premise that white men are the
    oppressed group in america? One would think that by this time
    in our history we would be argueing about how best to rid this
    country of its' race problems. Instead we(blacks) find ourselves
    trying to convince whites that the USA even *has* a problem.

    Though I don't agree with separatist at this point, I can certainly
    understand their frustration.


		      Carlyle


	  My views only. Not those of CAS.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Police & Malice Greene
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:48:20 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <92358.1738153ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>,
Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>The police in the Malice Greene case in Detroit have been bound over for
>trial.  Starsky and Hutch (Nevers and Budzyn) were charged with second
>degree murder.  Lessnau was charged with some form of brutality.  The
>black sargent, Douglas, was not charged with the murder but with a misdemeanor
>of not commanding the officers to stop the beating.
>
>All of these officers, including Douglas, were fired from the dept. yesterday.
>
>Demonstrations art the cite of the beating death are a daily occurence.
.
.
I'm officially on vacation, Bob, but my little MacPlus at home blew
up its power supply just when I was doing some serious work on my
book proposal...so I'm here at quarter of ten on Wednesday the 30th
on the Mac IIsi at work...
.
Re Douglas: maybe dude was afraid the storm troopers would turn on
him...which would be a reason why he didn't dare intervene, superior
officer or no superior officer.
.
See ya soon.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: The end of all-black colleges?
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:44:30 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

Sorry if someone has already posted this (I get articles up to a week
late here, alas).  This is from the Gainesville Sun, 12/24/92.

David

======================================================================

Judge ends La. school segregation

By Janet McConnaughey
The Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS -- Louisiana must merge its university systems to
eliminate segregation, even though the state's historically black
schools objct, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.  The state promised an
appeal.

"Simply put, the dubious ideal of 'separate but equal,' whether
endorsed by whites or blacks, is an anachronism that our society no
longer tolerates," U.S. District Judge Charles Schwartz said in a
42-page ruling.

Southern and Grambling State universities objectied vehemently to the
plan to merge the systems after the judge imposed a nearly identical
order in 1989.

The two historically black schools said they need to remain separate
to nurture black students but need extra money to recover from
generations of discrimination.

The judge said the law schools of Southern and Louisiana State can
remain separate.  He complimented the work done to attract whites to
Southern's law school and blacks to Louisiana State's.  But he said
LSU needs to do much more.

The ruling was accompanied by a 21-page order that set deadlines for
each step of the process, including 60 days to disband and
consolitdate Louisiana's four higher-education boards into one
"superboard."

Schwartz did not close any colleges but reimposed an order making
Louisiana State University the state's flagship university.  It also
sets up a community-college system of two-year schools.

Schwartz also ordered an end to Louisiana's tradition of letting
anyone with a high-school diploma get into college.  The top
universities must impose admission standards and abolish remedial
classes.

Attorney General Richard Ieyoub, who met for two hours with Gov. Edwin
Edwards and representatives of Louisiana's university boards, said the
state will appeal.

"The order is based on the erroneous assumption that the university
system in Louisiana is segregated by force of law," Edwards said at a
news conference.

Edwards told university board members to keep working on a compromise
that might be acceptable to Schwartz.

Disputes over integrating Louisiana's 17 public colleges and
universities go back to the 1950s.

Schwartz's 1989 order was overturned when a federal appeals court
ruled in a similar case that Mississippi's universities were as
integrated as reasonably possible.

End.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Quote from Malcolm X?
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:07:42 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

   I am writing a paper and would like to correctly credit the following
quote:

"The Christian, the white man with a gun and a Bible in one hand and a bottle
of gin in the other ... enslaved the Black Man ... (and is guilty of)
economic oppression, lynchings, bombing of (black) Churches, segregation,
disenfranchisement ... Christianity in Germany used fiendish gas ovens to
'scientifically' rid the world of Jews; the U.S. under Christianity performed
the most heinous crime ever committed on the planet earth -- the dropping of
the atomic bomb on the Japanese ..."

I found this quote in a paper by Allan Boesak: "Coming in out of the
Wilderness: A comparative interpretation of the ethics of Martin Luther King,
Jr. and Malcolm X." I found the paper republished in "Martin Luther King, Jr.:
Civil rights leader, theologian, orator." -  Edited by D.J. Garrow, 1989.
The paper is in Volume 1 of the 3 volume set published by Carlson Publishing
Inc.

The quote was taken from a section discussing the origins of the thought
of Malcolm X. Boesak's credit is: Cf. Lincoln, idem, 131. This means,
I think, "Compare this quote to Lincoln (cited above), pg. 131." Of course
the Lincoln referenced is "The Black Muslims in America."

I believe the quote is appropriately credited to Malcolm X. Is this correct?
Can someone look at Lincoln's book, pg. 131 (I do not own a copy), to
see if this interpretation is correct? 

Thanks,

zip
From: ww@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:55 PST
Subject: M.L.King Day Focus on Jobs,Racism
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Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!ww    Dec 26 19:55:00 1992


Subject: M.L.King Day Focus on Jobs,Racism
From: nyxfer!ww (Workers World Service)

 
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ML King Day protest to focus on jobs, racism

By John Catalinotto
New York

A national organization has called for a demonstration against 
racism and for jobs on Martin Luther King Day here in New York.

The call comes at a time when major corporations like General 
Motors and IBM have announced further layoffs of tens of 
thousands of workers. The International Monetary Fund released a 
report Dec. 22 predicting only a 2 percent growth in the world 
economy. This amounts to a continuing worldwide recession and 
growing unemployment.

The Movement for a Peoples Assembly/A Job is a Right Campaign has
called for a Jan. 18 demonstration in the busy shopping area of 
Herald Square at 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. 

The MPA statement notes that "in Europe and the United States 
right-wing forces with big-business backing are whipping up 
racism and anti-Semitism. Bigotry against immigrants and lesbians
and gays is on the rise."

The action is set to take place just a few days before the 
inauguration of the President-elect. The MPA statement continues,
"We must let Bill Clinton and all the other politicians 
know--through demonstrations and other actions--that we need 
jobs, health care, and affordable housing and education right 
now!"

The group also attacks New York's right-wing politicians like 
Rudolph Giuliani and Sen. Al D'Amato for "using the situation in 
Crown Heights to fuel a war against Black and Latino youth."

Among the sponsors of the demonstration are the Haiti Commission,
attorney Michael Warren, Miguel Maldonado of the Committee for 
Immigrant Rights, Executive Director Ruben Quiroz of the Upper 
Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights, and the Palestinian 
Democratic Youth Organization.

Also President Trudy Rudnick of AFT Local 3882, Director Joe 
Walker of the Re-employment Network for Experienced Workers, 
Secretary-Treasurer Chris Silvera of Teamsters Local 808, Local 
1199 delegate Hillel Cohen, attorney William Kuntsler, former 
Attorney General Ramsey Clark, and Elombe Brath of the Patrice 
Lumumba Coalition. 

Also 1199 delegate Anne Pruden, c-founder of the Gay Liberation 
Front Bill Weaver, Teamsters Local 168 Recording Secretary Mike 
Rucigno, Teresa Gutierrez of the Peace for Cuba Appeal and 
Gavrielle Gemma of the International Action Center.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Secret of MIMh
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:59:16 GMT



I previously incorrectly associated the Maoist propaganda group MIM with the
RCP, headed by Bob Avakian.  They have since sent me e-mail disassociating
themselves from that group.  I will take their word for it and instead suggest
that people Black and White mistrust them because they are Maoists in general,
and not any one kind.

What the heck.  A White supremacist is bad because he's a White supremacist, 
not because he follows onparticular loon.  The same principle applies here.

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From: rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Education
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:39:22 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <gyigwB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
>
>How do we improve our educational system so that all children get an 
>equally good grounding right off the bat?

	Can't be done.  The educational system is there to present knowledge
	to the student.  But, it can't cram the knowledge down the students
	throat.  The student has to *want* to learn in order for any educational
	system to work.  Even in a good school, learning is still the
	responsibility of the student.  The teacher can't learn for you.

>In the event that school districts fail or refuse to meet these 
>responsibilities, how do we go about obtaining on our own a good 
>education for our children?

	Anyone, in almost any circumstance, can learn if they want to learn.

	I went to a really poor (education-wise) rural school with a graduating
	class of 78 people.  We had bad teachers and bad text books.  And
	all the influences of the school were opposed to achievement in
	education.  But, I got a good education.  Why?  Because I wanted to
	learn.  And because I wanted to learn, I found ways to learn.  Our
	classrooms and lectures sucked.  But, I did something really radical
	and rebellious while I was in class.  I actually *read* the textbooks.
	Bad as they were, I still learned alot from them.  I also spent time
	at home learning.  There are alot of sources of education, if you look
	for them.  Public television.  The library.  The book store.  People
	you know who are educated.  Your school textbooks.

	The difficult question, and philosophers have been puzzling over this
	one for thousands of years, is *why* did I want to learn?  Why do I
	personally have the desire and drive to learn when others don't?
	I think it comes down to a combination of factors.  My own
	personality.  The influence of my parents.  The influence of the
	American culture.  And the influence of religion.

>Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.


-- 
Russell Spence                                               Austin, Texas

"Foot-impelled bi-directional verticle transport asset"
				- staircase, as defined by the U.S. Army
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: a SERIOUS question about AA
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:54:32 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I know that ealier I made a post deploring the way some
people use discussions of affirmative action (AA) to
side track any serious discussion concerning racism in America.
And now here I am bringing up this nasty issue ;-)

But I do have a serious question about AA that I honestly
have *never* seen discussed.

	For people who *do* support AA, (or at least
	do not wish for it to end at this point in time)
	what standards would you use to determine that AA 
	should end?

	or, rephrasing:

	Under what conditions would AA *not* be needed, in
	the future?  How will you know?

	or, rephrasing:

	Is AA supposed to be a permanent beauracratic method
	of doing bussiness?  If not permanent, then by what
	mechanism will it end?  How will you know it's time to end?

I realize that asking these questions is a lot like asking
"How do you know that racism no longer exists"  but that is
a fairly serious question too, and I think that people tend
to right these sorts of unsettling questions off too easily.

Steve Seidman
q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Civilization & a Few Aircraft Carri
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:42:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american


When are you opium eaters at Witless World Service and the Secret of MIMh
going to figure out that not only were you NOT on the "right side of 
history", but that history has taken a large and decisive piss on your leg?

This mindless fawning over whatever bloodthirsty buffoon happens to be arrayed
against western civilization is little more than pathetic farce.  You'll 
rehabilitate Hitler before it's through.  You've already whitewashed the war
record of Imperial Japan.

Give it up.  Pull the lid of the dustbin of history shut over your heads....

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From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Education
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:43:01 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence) writes:

>	The difficult question, and philosophers have been puzzling over this
>	one for thousands of years, is *why* did I want to learn?  

Uh, I don't think anyone has ever puzzled over this one. In fact, I have
never met a pre-schooler, kindergartener, or first grader who didn't
want to learn. I think your analysis is just another example of dividing
us into "them" and "us", them being those lazy, good-for-nothings
who, gosh darnit, just don't want to learn. 

The ACTUAL puzzling question is where does the natural curiosity
and unquenchable thirst for knowledge that every 3 year old possesses
disappear to in so many of our young ones?

>Why do I
>	personally have the desire and drive to learn when others don't?
>	I think it comes down to a combination of factors.  My own
>	personality.  The influence of my parents.  The influence of the
>	American culture.  And the influence of religion.

Hate to dissappoint you, but it probably had nothing to do with your
personality. Or religion. I have met just about every type of
personality in my years in college. And I know plenty of uneducated
christians as well as agnostics with Ph.Ds. The influence of American
culture, well it's hard to say, since this is a MULTI-cultural country,
and so many may not have access to the particular culture you grew
up in. The most likely source of your desire is your parents. Thank
God for them everyday. If everyone had parents like yours, we wouldn't
be having this discussion.


>>Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.


>-- 
>Russell Spence                                               Austin, Texas

Stanford S. Guillory
guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Who cares what whites think about racism ?
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:09:10 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec28.230123.24444@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson) writes:

#      This leads to the question of why so many whites approve of,
# say, Italians, or Jews, or Koreans, helping themselves through
# group solidarity, but disapprove when Africans propose doing the
# same thing.

What makes you think "whites" approve of other groups' groups?  I grew
up hearing that Jews were "clannish", for instance, because of all
their self-help groups.

# In the other cases, the size of the groups is quite small, so they
# pose no real or imagined power threat, no matter how well organized
# they may be.

You've obviously never heard of the "International Jewish Conspiracy",
the Mafia, the "Yellow Peril", or "Papal control of the presidency",
etc., to say nothing of the fear of communist subversion.

I think the objections you hear from whites with respect to black
associations is not their existence, but their insistence on
government (or school) support.  Here, at least, the arguments aren't
over the Black Student Union as such, but over its demands for
funding.

On the other hand, I've never heard any criticism of the NAACP or
other privately funded black organizations.

Just what "objections to black solidarity" did you have in mind?

David