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In rec.motorcycles, tomb@drutx.ATT.COM (BarberTB) writes:

> With all the recent talk about the various Spagthorpe models, I
> am surprised that no one has mentioned the original Spagthorpe,
> the Pug.  It is a relatively little-known motorcycle, so perhaps

<much excellent history deleted>

Thanks Tom.  I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Spagthorpe
Hyperbole.  In it's day, it was the fastest production motorycle available.
Some even went so far as to claim it was faster than a speeding bullet. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
I'm OK, you're inflatable.  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: timke@microsoft.com (Tim Keane)
Subject: Re: Euro DoD meet
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:27:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug11.101930.12238@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>Hurry up and get your HD before the summer flees.

Harley's have fleas?!  I guess that's one *more* thing they have in common
with dogs (besides the obvious pickup truck connection).

Oh, you said "flees"?

Nevermind.

>Nick (the Biker)             DoD 1069
>
>M'Lud.

ps.
Anybody who thinks this is an attack on Harleys worthy of a flame in
response should seriously consider decaf...

Tim Keane (aka timke@microsoft.com)       /======\'74 John Player Norton
-----<---@   Britbikes 'R' Us   @---->----| DoD# |'67 Triumph TR6R
    A gentleman does not motor about      | 0165 |'70 BSA 441 Victor Special
      after dark. -- Joseph Lucas         \======/'67 Triumph T100R (Sheila's)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: Shaft vs. Chain.... NOT!!!
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:54:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) writes:

>	With current technology, what is the "parasite"
>trade-off for shaft drive versus chain?  Is there still (was there
>ever?) a small power-loss for shaft with the extra bevel gears and all?

>Loki Jorgenson                   \/ ___/         node:  loki@Physics.McGill.CA

 Yes. More so for an in-line 4 than say a V-twin that turns the crankshaft
in a plane parallel to that of the drive-shaft.

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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.racing (Was: rec.motorcycles.harley)
Organization: Are you kidding?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:23:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.135341.15617@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
+>Both of Mark's points are true.  There are some real downsides that
+>accompany a list, however, mostly related to the fact that mailers
+>aren't designed to allow easy perusal of large numbers of articles.
+
+Agreed, that's why I posed the question. Even low traffic mailing lists
+like the ones for the Joust & GPNWDG rides can be a chore to keep up
+with, one with as much trafic as the racing list would bury my mbox.

As the Joust mail list keeper, I'll vouch for Blaine's statement!
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Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 11:32:07 EDT
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Compressed air for carb cleaning
Distribution: na

In article <ALAVIGNE.92Aug17101310@bmerh930.bnr.ca>, alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca
(Andrew Lavigne) says:
>
>I am trying to clean my carbs for the first time, and my Clymer manual says
>that I should clean out my jets with compressed air.  ok.  However, I don't
>have any fancy compressed air equipment, so what can a low-budget
>home repair person do instead?   I was thinking of using some kind of hand-
>pump type affair, but I don't know if this would be sufficient or not.
>
>Anyone out there clean their jets without fancy, expensive equipment (and
>without paying some garage to do it as well...)

Unless your face is horribly mis-formed you have a perfectly good
compressed air device built in.
Wipe any solvent from the part in question and give it a quick shot
of exhaled air.  If you get a taste of solvent in your mouth you either
sucked instead of blew or didn't wipe it up enough.. in either case
spit out the solvent.

Try not to introduce too much slobber into the works either.

Seriously... If its not too gummed up, solvent and blowing will be
fine.  a hand pump will work provided you can connect the nozzle with
what you want to clean and operate the pump too.  Perhaps a helper would
be useful here.

>thanks,
>Andrew

Good luck

Robert
DoD 191
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:16:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Newbie Tire Question
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles


*    So, what's the deal with tire sizes?   I was looking at tire ads
*    in the magazine, and couldn't quite figure it out.  Like, I have
*    a 100/90 16 tire.  I think this means 100 (units) wide, .9 width
*    to height ratio of some kind, 16" diameter.  Is that right?

100 mm wide. 90% is the height to width ratio (the tire is wider than 
it is high.  16" in diameter.

*    When I get new tires, do they have to be exactly the same?  Some
*    postings here make me think you can get wider ones-is that true?

You don't say what your bike is.  Unless you know what you are doing,
or have seen the same setup work for someone else, it is best to "stick"
(is that a pun?) with the same size.

*    And what's with the "V" letter in some tire sizes? Is that like,
*    high performance or something?

The V is a speed rating.  The ratings are S, H, V, and Z.  Something like
110, 130, 150 and >150 mph.  No letter is 85 or 90 mph rating.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:56:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: FIAMM Installation clues
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles


*    If you have problems, let us hear about them.

The Fiamm relay sucks.  On my bike the horns would go off whenever
I reached 45 mph from the engine vibration.  I tried mounting the
relay different ways, with some temporary sucess.  I eventually
scraped it and went to my favorite auto parts dealer:

"Hi I'd like a horn relay."
"What for?"
"A Yamaha."
"oh."
"Can I see what you have?"
"Sure, I'll get the book."
They get out a book with lots of relays and pictures.
I point to one that has a mounting tab that I like.
They get it and charge me $5 or $6.
Works great ever since.  Turns out it was a Ford relay,
but I used Datsun relay I had laying around on the other
bike.  Any relay except a Fiamm seems to work great.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Nighthawk charging problem
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:19:09 GMT
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: rec
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center


Here's a simple one...

85 Nighthawk won't hold a charge, even with a new battery.  The
headlight *does* get brighter with above-idle RPMs, which indicates to
me that the alternator works.

What is the likely cause?  Voltage regulator?  Wierd failure mode on
the alternator?  Other?

How would I verify that various components work, and that your theory
is the correct one?

I know that this must be really simple, but I don't know much about
bike electrics... 

Thanks for any input - email and phone calls [(415) 604-4320] gladly
accepted.

- Eric
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Moto rent @ UK
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:49:14 GMT

Frank Perdicaro (frank@marvin.contex.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug05.130237.22901@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: >frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) writes:
: >: I will be taking an unexpected, week long trip to the London/Slough
: >: area.  If anybody over there in the UK feels very kind today, he could
: >: leave me a message at the UK office ( 011 44 753 820 565 ) informing 
: >: me where I might be able to rent a bike for the weekend.  
: >: 
: >: I will be leaving in a few hours, so email will not do much good.
: >: This will be my first trip to the UK.
: >: 
: >: Thanks.
: 
: >Done.
: >Nick (the Biker)          DoD 1069
: >"My other one's a Volvo".
: >K100RS with towbar and NO
: 
: Done? Ha!  
: I never got anything, but I did have a good time. 

I telephoned your Company in Slough and left a message about the local Bike 
Rental Company.  I asked her to repeat the message and to promise to give it to
you.  I was away that weekend or I would have tried to get in touch.  I am 
sorry that you didn't get the message.


Nick              DoD 1069              MAG 73516

M'Lud.
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:41:41 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

My GS shafty is difficult to countersteer, but I think this is because
it is long, heavy and has a 19" front wheel, not because it's a shafty.

Mike.Webster@ime.mts.dec.com writes:
> I've not noticed any difference between shaft/chain bikes w.r.t.
> contersteering.
>
> GS850G  this one didn't want to go round coners at all.
> [...]
>
> Mike Webster. London UK.

I found the best solution for this bike was to full-dress it.  The
higher c.g. allows the bike to fall into corners "much easier" than
when it was stock.  By "much easier", I mean pushing on the inside
grip and pulling on the outside grip;  I don't have to fling my body
into the corner for gentle turns anymore, just the hard ones.  It
used to be like trying to c-steer the QE2.  Now it's more like a
Peterbilt...  ;^)

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #0224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"feeling paskeresque, which is always better than feeling pasker." Cliff Weston
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why is a Harley so easy to push?
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:57:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: msus

In article <1992Aug13.043619.21154@wixer.cactus.org>,
lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) wrote:
> 
> In article <Stafford-120892160753@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
> >
> >Q: Why is a Harley so easy to push?
> 
> A: Because they have to be.
> 
> If they were as hard to push as a LeadWing, you couldn't get 'em to the garage
> when they broke.
> -- 
>  .--------------------------------------------------------------------------.
> / Lyle J \ lestat@wixer.cactus.org /  Team Doofus  \ DoD / Nobody else WANTS \
> \ Mackey /     Social Engineer     \ '89 Kaw EX500 / 587 \  my  opinions...  /
>  `--------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Yes.  That is the correct answer.  End of thread.  This was
test of the Harley myth system.  It was only a test.
---------------------
john  '56 FLH Chop!
From: warkenti@CAE.Mitel.Com (BJ Warkentin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FIAMM buying and Installing ( was Fiamms,Re: cage kill,was: Re: Deer) Kill)))
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:55:05 GMT
	<1992Aug17.174526.15701@ohrd.uucp>
Organization: MITEL, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu's message of 17 Aug 92 17:45:26 GMT

Jody Levine (with the lousy net connection) writes:
   In article <9900963@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
   >> From: jlevine@ohrd.FC.HP.COM
   >> 
   >> If your bike has two wires leading to the horn, you can get away without the
   >> relay.
   >> 
   >
   >Be vewy, vewy, careful. It's not the number of wires that will damage your
   >wiring harness or horn switch, it's the current flow. 

   I will plainly admit that the comment on the number of wires was useless.
   However, the problem is not current flow, it's heat dissipation. Will the
   insulation on your wires melt or your conductors fuse (as in act like a fuse
   and disconnect itself) during the time which you run your horn and/or do you
   leave enough time for things to cool down between horn blowings? According
   to my info, 20 AWG copper can carry 3 A continuous. 22 AWG should be able to
   carry 5 A for a couple of seconds every once in a while.

Couple of points:
1) On my bike, the power feed to the horn also powers other things of
   which are continuous power consumers (hey I didn't design the
   wiring harness) and I didn't measure the difference in current draw
   between the stock meeper and the new HONKERs, thus I don't know how
   close I would be running to the fuse limits on that circuit. 
2) overengineering is cheap
3) seperate power allows seperate fusing
4) if you are running a seperate line, 18 AWG is just as easy to use
   as 22, and 18 is rated at 10A continuous. It also fits into crimp
   connectors better (yes I know they should be soldered as well as
   crimped :-) )

Thus I ran a seperate line, using 18 AWG, fused at 10A. If it goes,
nothing else in the electrical system goes down with it. Added bonus
is that if the horns blow up burn down, break, I disconnect one wire
and plug back in the stock meeeper (assuming that the fault is not in
the horn button/wire to the control side of the relay).

   I have had no problems so far.

The only problem with this is that you will only discover any problem
you have at a point in time when you most need the horns. It kinda
like the kill switch...

   I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
	got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
			    ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: have a v-pilot, want an aerostitch!
Followup-To: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.virginia.edu
Keywords: buy this stuff, please.
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:57:25 GMT

i almost forgot:

i'd wanted to get either leather pants or --preferably -- a one-piece
aerostitch suit.  the pants, in order to zip to the jacket, must be either
hein-gericke or fieldsheer and will run $210-300 plus tax/shipping.  so ....

I'M SELLING MY H-G V-PILOT!

that's right, friends, you can have the official jacket of the east coast
dod (r), on your own body for a mere fraction of its original cost.  it's
something like eight weeks old, a size 46 (i'm a 44), comes with the liner,
tags, and my receipt if you want it.  all zippers work, all threads intact,
never on the ground (not even dropped by hand :-), and has not a mark on it.

i paid $300 and would like to get $225, which includes my shipping it to you.
(225 + 220(would have spent on pants) =445, add $150 or so to get aerostitch).
please reply email, first solid offer takes it.  thanks.

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|           i feel sorry for old people with brittle bones --              |
|                  especially when they get in my way                      |
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From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Thoughts on VMAX
Summary: Abuse of our roadways with V-Max
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:24:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug20.175453.23080@nntp.hut.fi>, jkosone1@vipunen.hut.fi (Jussi T Kosonen) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.132036.1392@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
> >
> >You want opinions? We got opinions.  V-Max? Heavy. Fat. Ugly.


> ...maybe but also ground braking, fast,macho,personal.
 
	Where else is the static coefficient of friction substantial
enough to slow a bike down but the area between the tire and the
ground?  Do other bikes use air braking?  Maybe retro-rockets?  Drag
your shoes? That's still ground braking.

							:)-,
							Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Another DoD first (was: Re: jeff Achenbach)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:46:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.220000.3353@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Cliff Weston) writes:
>
>from what i gathered at the rcr, any sailor with five bucks.  but i wouldn't
>say such a stupid, inciteful thing on the net, though ... :-)
>
Of course not, being the uptight bitch that you are, you wouldn't want
to insight such a flame fest.  Especially considering your involvement in
the little girl/llama porn ring scandal.  I will admit, though, that I was
impressed with your performance on that video tape.  It must have taken
a great deal of self control to not even flinch as the llama ate the donuts
that the little girl used to measure your manhood.  Of course it only takes
a full grown llama so long to eat 2 glazed...

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wbetts@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov (Betts, Wayne J.)
Subject: Re: Does It Exist? (Jawa?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:28:00 GMT


#> In article <14AUG199213014547@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov> I wrote:
#> >Can anybody tell me if there has ever been a motorcycle company or model cal
#> >a Jawa or Java, or anything similar?  I think maybe it is (or was)
#> >Czechoslovakian.  Any details would be appreciated.
#> >
#> >Thanks in advance,

Well, thanks in arrears for the prompt replies.

I originally asked because I recently remembered seeing one about 5 years ago
in Madrid, Spain and was just curious about it.  I'm glad my memory still 
works sometimes.  The kick starter/shifter is a neat bit of trivia.

Since the response was so large (and only a few hours have passed since my
original post, so I expect more), I propose the following:

	rec.motorcycles.jawa   8-)  (Hopefully, this will NOT result in 
	                             zillions of responses and posts about
	                             the merits/faults of such a group and
                                     the validity of the current voting
	                             system.  See the smiley?)
		         	     	

Thanks again.  Any further info still appreciated.

Wayne (finally, a post about a motorcycle) Betts
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From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles.dirt,rec.motorcycles.racing,news.groups
Subject: Re: MC group traffic -- velly interesting
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:19:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost):
:- 
:- So what does any of this have to do with motorcyling?
:- Did I miss something?
:- 

	nothing that won't appear again in six months!


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From: marke@webworm.berkeley.edu (Mark E. Epstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HOw much more dangerous is a bike than a cage?
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:18:19
Organization: Me?
NNTP-Posting-Host: webworm.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: shoun@netcom.com's message of 21 Jul 92 02:46:36 GMT

In article <1=dm-+p.shoun@netcom.com> shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun) writes:

   >I want Lissa's.  Nice view.

   And it has enough garage space for at least a couple of desmodromes. Hey!
   Who was taking pictures in the garage just before the moonlight ride/
   slumber party/Sunday morning ride/Last San Jose Mile DoD event. I can't
   even remember how many bikes were parked in there. Twelve or so wasn't it?
   Not too crowded and we didn't even move the two cages out.
   [...]
   Lissa
   shoun@netcom.com

I was (at least one) of the photographers there.  There may have been
twelve bikes in your admittedly voluminous garage, but I only count
ten in the pictures.  There is only so much width-of-field that a 28mm
lens can give.

-MarkE
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda Helix or Elite
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:36:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <RKOU.92Aug15173843@skat.ucs> rkou@skat.ucs (Roger H. Kou) writes:
>
>   >me being a poor student living in LA. transportation and parking,
>   eh,
>   >are kinda expensive. not to mention insurance, of course. so I am
>   >thinking about getting a scooter.
>   Think about going to a CHEAPER and BETTER SCHOOL.
>
>
>   >PS: has anyone tried transport a Helix/Elite on the back of their
>   >pickup(e.g. Toyota SR5)? how? was it a difficult task? too heavy?
>   maybe?
>
>
>   No, but I've thought about running scooter SCUM over with a pickup
>truck.
>
>
>   USC=SCOOTER-SCUM
>
>I want my $$$!! let me see how much I can get by suiting his ass
>off?!?  humm, how about the rest of my tuition :-) hehehe not a bad
>idea.

Suiting my ass off?  I thought it you dropped the t when you sue someone

>
>let's see, what story can I make up... affraid to get on road? no
>self-esteem? etc etc etc etc
>

God, you are a whiny little SC puke aren't you.

>damn it, get me the best lawyer!!! BTW: is Larry Parker good? :-)
Larry Parker?  Jesus, you're a whiny little scum-sucking puke at  that

>>oh, what's the e-mail address of the CO over there? anyone anyone
>how about snail mail address? FYI: Commanding Officer = CO
>

Of course the thought never occured to this newbie that I could be the CO . . .


>money money money money Mo'money Mo'money Mo'money 

ah, christ, he's been watching too much "In living Color",
This is a prime example why I like people on the East Coast much better
than the trash that lives on the West Coast.


A mild suggestion, put a white sheet over your head and walk off campus.
You'll have plenty of people to sue...



-- 
I love the 3b2
The 3b2 is my friend.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles