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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: $62,000 has been stolen...
From: C1935@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (KAILASH JOSHI)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:50:23 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

In article <5b5e0c40.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>
vikc@digital.sps.mot.com (Vikrant Chaudhry) writes:
 
>In article <1992Sep24.172619.16955@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> bohra@ecn.purdue.edu (Nihal Chand Bohra) writes:
>>|> Now, does anyone else have any ideas?
>>|>
>>|>
>>
>>--
>>1. Try to get the details published in Indian news papers like India Abroad
>>    where The State Bank of India inserts big ads to attract NRIs money. And
>>   tell the bank that you are doing that.
>>
>>2. Get it published in as many Indian news papers in India as possible.
>>
>>Good luck.
>>
>>-Nihal
>
>Good idea !
>
>You can try sending copy of letters to 'STar TV', 'Asia Watch' and other
>TV channels ( including locals). It does put lot of pressure.
>
>Good luck !
>
>Vikrant
>
>
>
>
Excellent idea.
Use some money to give ads in Indian news papers and in India Abroad.
Contact consumer advocates of your local TV stations and have them air your sto
story.  If you can find some Indian lawyer who will send a notice with out
costing much try that as well.  Contact chairperson of senate Banking and
Finance Committee in Washington.  Contact someone from your area who is
active in Indo American Political Forum to help you through Indian Consulate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dikkala@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravikumar Dikkala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME BABY JOKES
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:02:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
: ....
:

	Sick post again...

	-Dikkala
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:09:12 GMT
	<1992Oct2.233903.8972@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.


This is just a note:

Prof. Narasimhan in the Department of Chemistry in IIT Kanpur was nominated    
for a Nobel Prize.  

-Shubu

Disclaimer:  I am not trying to prove anything.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalism: Essential to Islam
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:56:43 GMT

hbr6165@sigma.tamu.edu (harish) writes:

>	Reading this article, I was totally stunned for a while...
>	My head was dizzy. I was shocked to know that
>	Mohammed, the founder of Islam.., had such hatredness 
>	and intolerance in his heart.. It's horrible even
>	to know the Mohamed ordered execution of woman and old
>	people in the name of religion and Allah... What a Irony..!

Islam is a way of life. 
Islam does not seperate politics from religion.
All of us know how politicians are?
I think I do not need to elaborate the above line.

Bye
Adil
*Please, no gun point towards me.(No death threat, Please)**

>		I hope this article is false..! Because, If it is
>	true, then the very religion which stands on the foundation
>	of Violence, hatredness and intolerance.., can never
>	offer peace to the world, might even destroy the world..
>	
>	It would be better if some educated muslim scholar clarify
>	some of points raised in the article
>	
>-Harish
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:27:31 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <81047@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>Ditto.  The idea of "cultural relativism" is peculiar to the West.  I
>can't think of any non-Western culture which advocates this idea.

  So, what view do non-Western cultures have on the relative merits of 
different cultures? That their own is superior over all others? That their own
is superior to some and inferior to some? That their own is inferior to
all others? Or that 'superior' and 'inferior' don't have any meaning when
talking about cultures (aka cultural relativism)?

>For an example for this process, take the Thirty Years War.

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: yab@cs.brown.edu (Yashesh Bhatia)
Subject: Looking for Vijay Patel - Northeastern Univ (BOSTON)
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:35:59 GMT


Hi, 

I am looking for a Vijay Patel (Viju) who arrived from Canada last week
to pursue a Ms in Pharmacy at North Eastern University (BOSTON).


Please mail me his  contact no, in case you come across him. 

Thanks 


Yashesh Bhatia


yab@cs.brown.edu
401-621-4198
From: mramesh@cbnewse.cb.att.com (m.ramesh)
Subject: Gulf Airlines to India from Chicago
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:31:10 GMT

Hi Folks:
Any comments on flying Gulf Airlines to India from Chicago?  I have a
family - wife, 2year old, 7 month old.  I am getting a good dela on it
but has anyone experienced any problems worth considering before buying
the tickes.

If anybody has better suggestions for airlines (money is an issue) pleae let
me know.

Ramesh
From: dcruz@andy.bgsu.edu (Don't Explain!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A tidbit on Amnesty International ...
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:25:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BvnpM9.E8r
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.

In article <BvKqA1.7GB@cgl.ucsf.edu> ajay@cgl.ucsf.edu (Ajay) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>     Remember the Iraq war and the media campaign before that with all
>those "eye-witnesses" to the way in which the Iraqi soldiers were killing 
>all the Kuwaiti babies in incubators? Well, it is now well established 
>reports that Amnesty puts out. As a side bar to this,ALL of the fair
>un-biased news media in this country also accepted these reports as
>God's word and never investigated this---they even accepted commercials
>put out by the public relations firm asnews.

yep and the very beautiful and seductive "nyaeera" who watched helplessly
as the iraqi soldiers unplugged the incubators and then later escaped 
across the border and made her way to the US to testify before the
senate was none other than the daughter of the kuwati ambassador to the
US ... one of the royal family ... she lives in UK and has never lived
for an significant length of time in Kuwait ... and was not there when
the war broke out ..... 

Take what the UN and Amnesty says with a grain of salt ... it is nothing
but Institution sponsored organized terrorism at its very best ... the same
thing that Saddam, Ghadaffi and Hezbollah are accused of ......

-- 
Conrad D'Cruz (dcruz@bgsu.edu)   | Q: Why are there Blonde jokes?
Student Systems Programmer       | A: So that Brunettes and Red-heads have
Bowling Green State University   |    something to do on weekends!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 08:21:54 CDT
From: Shyamala Parameswaran <U11983@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.islam
Distribution: usa
 <1992Sep24.232654.24537@colorado.edu> <92269.135222U11983@uicvm.uic.edu>
 <1992Sep26.062538.20551@colorado.edu>

In article <1992Sep26.062538.20551@colorado.edu>,
paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) says:
>
>In article <92269.135222U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> Shyamala Parameswaran
><U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>[...]
>>>
>>
>>Yes, but without the swipes taken at Nagarajan or Shakil - their
>>differences in points of view notwithstanding. It didn't help
>>your arguments at all.
>>
>>Shyamala Parameswaran
>
>
>1] Say: O unbeliever,
>   You have your reasons, I have mine.
>

I don't have any reasons in asking for clean polemics - assuming
that you realized writing on a touchy topic would indeed fetch
responses of whatever nature, and that you meant to carry on a
discussion, which is what this bboard is for.

Your reasons, be they justified or not, could have used private
channels. As it is, your response to Nagarajan's comeback
and then subsequently to Shakil, left much to be desired.
I wish, as Mujitaba said, you'd  come off that high horse
and admit it, occasionally.

Shyamala
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SC Refuses To Revive Morarji's Libel Suit
Keywords: US Supreme Court Morarji Hersh LibelSuit
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:26:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

apnews reports:
	   WASHINGTON (AP) _ The Supreme Court today refused to revive a
libel lawsuit against reporter-author Seymour Hersh by Morarji
Desai, a former prime minister of India linked by Hersh to the
American CIA.
	   The court, without comment, left intact rulings that let Hersh
testify at his libel trial about the reliability of his
confidential sources without having to divulge their identities.
	   Desai's appeal contended that Hersh should have been forced to
reveal the sources' identities or been barred from defending their
reliability.
	   Desai, a prominent Indian politician for decades, served as his
nation's prime minister from 1977 to 1979.
	   In his 1983 book, ``The Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon
White House,'' Hersh devoted one chapter to reviewing U.S.
foreign-policy decisions during the 1971 India-Pakistan War.
	   According to Hersh, Kissinger justified a hard-line U.S. policy
against India based largely on information received from a
``reliable source'' in India reporting to him through the Central
Intelligence Agency.
	   The CIA and the National Security Council never revealed this
source, but Hersh's book said the source was ``undoubtedly Morarji
Desai.''
	   Desai denied the allegation, and sued Hersh in federal court in
Chicago. A jury ruled for Hersh, and Desai appealed.
	   In ruling against Desai last January, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals said an Illinois reporter's privilege law protected
Hersh against having to reveal his confidential sources.
	   The appeals court also rejected Desai's contention that
reporters who author books are not protected under the state law.
	   The case is Desai vs. Hersh, 92-101.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat)
Subject: Saudi Air
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:03:30 GMT

I would like to know if anybody has knowledge or experience of travelling
with Saudi Air. I would greatly appreciate any comments sent to
		bhat@cs.columbia.edu

Thank you, 
Dinkar.
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: WOMENS ORGANIZATION CONTACT NUMBERS REQUIRED.  ***URGENT***
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:40:27 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Originator: indu@iss700


Hello NETTERS!

         I'm looking for contact numbers (preferably 1-800 numbers)
  of organisations involved in WOMES ACTIVITIES. I think  the following
  organisations are involved in these activities. I'm not sure. It will be a 
  great  help if somebody could provide any related information at the my
  mail address or on s.c.i.

                    ASHA, SAHELI, etc,. These are the organisations which 
  are working towards the upliftment of women and some such problems.
  (I donot have contact numbers of these organisations too).

  Thanks in advance.

-Indu.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  The views expressed above are on my personal basis.                 |
|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: g9069216@cc.uow.edu.au (manish r. ghandhi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Places to Suggest for Honey Moon .
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:21:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

u8903845@cs.uow.edu.au (Anil Sachdeva) writes:

>Hi

>I am getting married in January in Delhi .
>I was wondering if you could suggest me some places .
>I intend to go for one month trip .


As you know Wollongong very well, according to me I-House is the ideal
place for both honey and moon. There are two benifits.
One is privacy and the other is ...........

Manish
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:42:22 GMT

In article <JMC.92Sep29124216@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>I think I can agree with all that Brijnandan S. Dehiya posts.  I didn't
>know that the British ban on sati was instigated by Indian reformers.
>I didn't even realize there were Indian reformers so early.

"Reform" and "Reformers" were not a "Western" innovation!:-)/2

"Reform" and "Reformers", social, political, and otherwise, predate the
"rise" of the "glorious western civilazation".

Others have responded in detail to Mr. McCarthy's provocative drivel.
All I can do is point to an incident in M. K. Gandhi's life:
When asked by a reporter what he thought of the civilization of the west
the Mahatma (aka "half-naked fakir" in the west) replied that he thought
it would be a good idea.

For those interested in questions related to civilization, I recommend
Satyajit Ray's last film "Agantuk". Though the points raised are neither
new nor unique and something undoubtedly is lost in NFDC's subtitling, 
it was a thoroughly enjoyable and yet disturbing film.

Cheers

Amitava

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32905 soc.culture.pakistan:15433
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:05 GMT

Can you please provide the complete reference to the source of
these rankings? Thanks. - ganesh
From: upai@cs.umr.edu (Uday N Pai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: *************** VJTI Alumni.********************
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: upai@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu

Hi all,

*********************************************************************
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*********************************************************************

Interested in joining the VJTI alumni, contact me at s109536@umrvma.umr.edu for
more details.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32624 soc.history:8692
From: exunikh@exu.ericsson.se (NIKHIL TIKEKAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.history
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:49 GMT
Reply-To: exunikh@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.



>1. Is there a world culture today?

1.1. Are you interested in objective truth, or subjective OPINIONS ?
1.2. What will be the criterion (or a set) used to include `a certain
     quality/attribute' in world culture ?
1.3. What will be the criterion used to identify this `certain quality'
     out of possible (countably infinite) ? (and so on....)
1.4. Is culture an object that modifies itself with interaction with
     others, has fixed initial attributes, or is it an entity discovered
     through `arbitrary choice' with the benefit of hindsight ? 

>2. Is it substantially based on European culture?  The non-European
>influences on European culture are secondary to this question.
>Benevolence or greed or lack thereof also have nothing to do with it.

2.0. Is European culture a `single/homogeneous entity' ?
2.1. What do I take as the `starting point' of European culture ?
2.2. Is macro-level historical evidence good enough to verify `roots'
     of a certain tradition (e.g first novel) ?
2.3. If micro-level (inter-personal) influences are important (to take
     domino effect/chaos into account), what would be my `authoritative'
     knowledge source (How much `faith' should one have in `written
     history' to draw objective conclusions ?) ?
2.4. How do I account for `multiple origins' of a tradition, either
     lost to history, or never reported ?
2.5. Is `civilisation' / `preferred qualities' a function of time ?
2.6. Is `wide-spread' = superior (what about drug use, cancer ?)?
2.7. Is `preserved quality' necessarily due to its superiority (and
     conscious human decision) ?
2.7. Is `influence of a culture' a superposition phenomenon ( or some
     linear/nonlinear/other operator), or merely a perceived trend ?
2.8. Is there a way to model `humanity', measure `important' variables
     / parameters, calculate the result, and verify one's hypothesis
     against observed facts (i.e repeat the experiment with `real facts') ?
     

>3. Assuming there is pretty much of a world culture, what are the
>exceptions to its prevalence in various countries, e.g. India, that
>seem destined to survive?

3.1. Should this be a philosophical discussion, or are you expecting
     deceivingly simple answers ?
3.2. Do you still believe, `superior culture', a subjective value- based
     judgement can lead to rational discussion ?
3.3. Do you really believe, these questions have simple (few paragraphs)
     answers ?

- Nikhil

Ericsson is not responsible for my opinions
1-214-997-4205
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kohli@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: Parole from INS: Info requested
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:24:57 GMT

Has anyone gotten parole from INS to travel abroad, while their petition was
being processed?

I would like to know how much time it takes and what process you have to
go through to get such parole.  

Rajiv
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: IIT Bullshit
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:26:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep30.125950.28436@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
> I am the only one getting fed up reading all this bullshit about IIT?

Most assuredly.

> From the sounds of it, you would think man would still have been up
> in the trees if it hadn't been but for the grace of IIT to save 
> humanity.  I am getting sick and tired of hearing all this bullshit
> from `IITians' (shouldn't it be IIT graduates??) about India losing
> all it 'gifted' engineers.  GIVE ME A BREAK!!! You would think that
> all of India's best minds somehow end up at an IIT. 

And you are right.

> Talk about 
> arrogance!!! With something like 850 million people, these upper
> class,elitist IIT graduates somehow feel as though they have some sort
> monoply on intelligence and ability. And poor, poor India. Won't she be 
> devastated by most of these 'IITians' fleeing to the West? What will
> become of her??? India! Without her 'IITians', she will be lost! You
> should be that lucky!!! 
>

Sour grapes ...

> Rakesh 'IIT-Killer' Patel
> 
> 
> P.S. What the heck is world culture?????????????

RKP
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Should the government subsidize IITs etc?
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:34:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep29.021052.16087@unixg.ubc.ca>, banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
> 
> 	Why should the government subsidize IITs etc?
>
> [arguments deleted to save BW]
> 
> There are many other standard comments which appear periodically in
> the Indian press, but no one seems to have the guts to ask questions
> of the sort above.

IMO, all this talk about what a waste IITs are are based on two
premises. In Nath's original post, he used a very disagreeable
term "BTech product" to refer to IITians implying (un)consciously
that IITs are like factories where you spend money to make products.  
Secondly, it is taken for granted that the lone purpose of IITs is  
to churn out honorable, socially-conscious, caring, patriotic
citizens with no better goal than "the betterment of society".

An excellent education is every individual's right. I know very
well that at present we cannot provide everyone with equal access. 
But does that mean that nobody should have a good education ?

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: IIT Bullshit
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:22:14 GMT

kurdikar@methacrylate.ecn.purdue.edu (Dev) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.140412.13237@cas.org> nlp54@cas.org writes:
>>Rakesh!
>>     You forgot to say the following:
>>      1) Ramanujam did his doctorate at Madras IIT.
>>      2) Sir J.C. Bose graduated from Kharagpur IIT.
>>      3) Sir C. V. Raman did his research at Madras IIT and beacause of the
>>	 prestige of IIT only he was awarded the Nobel Prize.
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>	You must be kidding !!!   Read about the Nobel prizes in one of the 
>	issues of "Science" that appeared in Sept, 92 [I don't recall the exact
>	week it came in !

>>      4) Haragobind Khorana did his M.Sc. at Delhi IIT.  That training got him
>>	 the Nobel Prize.  He is very fortunate to go to IIT.
>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>	You make it sound as if it needs to be written in a persons destiny to
>	go to IIT !  
>						
I believe that was a "sarcastic" list!; however, I do agree with you.
IITs are a good place for an undergraduate education. And there is
no big secret to it. If the input is based on a reasonably rational
criteria (joint entrance exam), you are likely to end up with an above average
input and above average output. This DOES not mean that all smart
people go ONLY to IITs. There are many, many reasons that a person
who is quite capable may not/may choose not to go to an IIT.

In the matter of subsidies, does any netter know how much money is
spent on a typical medical graduate in India?

Regards. - ganesh



>>      6) T. R. Seshadri was awarded the doctorate by the Madras IIT and Bombay
>>	 IIT.  At Delhi IIT he learned the Natural Product Chemistry.
>>      7) Meghnadh Shah did his B.Sc. at Kharagput IIT.
>>      8) Aryabhatta studied at Bombay IIT.
>>      9) M.S. Swaminathan did his B.Tech. in Agric. Engg. at the Kharagpur IIT.
>>      10) B.P.Pal developed all his roses in the IIT Kharagpur gardens.
>>      11) J.B.S. Haldane did his research at all  the IITs.
>>      12) Birbal Sahani did his research at the Delhi IIT.
>>      13) V. P. Subrahmanyam learned his meteorology at the Madras IIT.
>>      14) Panchanan Maheswari did his pioneering research on embryology at the
>>	  Delhi IIT.
>>
>>
>>	  What great places IITs are?
>>	  There is a difference between a technician and an intellect.
>>
>>
>>	  PARANANDI LAKSHMI NARASIMHAM
>>
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