HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: RFD: Split Alt.BBs.Internet
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

RFD: Let's discuss a new heirarchy.

The oddly named alt.bbs.internet is in bad shape.
People think it's for BBSes connected to the internet, or a BBS
discussion list, or mostly a trash can for things that they're
too lazy to find an appropriate group for.

What we need, and I'm prepared to create, is:


alt.internet.services

	Places you can telnet to on the internet. Info services, BBS,
	Websters, and everyhting else the unfortunately named
	alt.bbs.internet is supposed to have.

alt.internet.access
		   [.personal]
		   [.connections]

	This group, which should probably be split into two, should
	be for people who want

	* Access to the internet through modems, local bbses, 
	  and other ficticious "public access" which people know
	  doesn't exist but post anyway.

	* Access to internet for their computers, to provide local\
	  users (BBS, et. al.) usenet, mail, and so on. 
	  (Of course, they couldn't afford it, but it's a nice thought.

	* People who are loosing University accounts and need new ones.

Both of these groups are really necessary, but they are so different in
content that they sohould not be allowed to be lumped together.

If this is agreeable to people (and I'm assuming no interest = agreement),
I'll develop FAQs for both of these.

This re-organization is a thing whose time has come!!

Scott
 
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.comics
From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Apr 1992 09:01 EST  

In article <1992Apr16.042411.29588@eskimo.celestial.com>, 
     delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes...

>   I think that a better group would be something like
>          " rec.arts.sf.comparative "                 

That's a name easier to swallow, but I think that (1) it's too far removed
from rec.arts.comics, and (2) the whole concept is unlikely to pass in a vote
in the Usenet hierarchy.  This is definitely one for alt.

RG
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ajg@controls.ccd.harris.com (Arnold Goldberg)
Subject: alt.invest.real-estate
Organization: Harris Controls and Compositions
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:32:30 GMT

I'm creating a newsgroup for investing in real-estate.
This will be an interim group, until misc.invest.real-estate get's established.
It's still in the RFD period right now.

The charter is along these lines:


 I'm in the process of putting together a newgroup for serious
 Real Estate Investors.
 
 Some of the proposed objectives:
 
 1) Share creative financing techniques
 2) Share information regarding aggressive tax avoidance
 3) Share "inside" information regarding mortgage applications (ie.
         what do mortgage companies want to see and what not)
 4) Keep a updated list of "exchangable" properties (see objective 2)
 5) A source of partnerships.
 6) And any others you might think of.
 
 Anyone who is interested, send me a note.
 
 
The reason i'm doing this is because i've got about 150 members on a 
mailing list and it's a hassle to maintain

Thanks

arnold

-- 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Starting alt groups?
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:09:33 GMT

In article <JIK.92Apr7132916@pit-manager.mit.edu> jik@athena.mit.edu 
 (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
>Second, here's the blurb I saved from one of the previous times this
>question was asked.  I *really* wish somebody who's active in
>alt.config would start posting this periodically....

The problem with that is that people who don't already know it aren't
reading the group, and there's no point preaching to the choir.  When
people show up in alt.config asking what to do (usually because
somebody has directed followups here), I mail it to 'em.

(It probably ought to show up in news.answers, though.  Anybody feel
like doing it regularly?)

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.history,soc.culture.usa,alt.war
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.american-civil-war
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:30:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

>This is a formal request for discussion regarding the creation of a new
>unmoderated newsgroup, alt.american-civil-war.

>The primary reason for requesting this group is to consolodate the long threads
>which occur periodically in newsgroups such as soc.history, alt.war, and
>soc.culture.usa from time to time.

I prefer to avoid creating new names directly under alt when possible.
And of course, there's more than one "america", and "american-civil-war"
fails the SysV ruler test.  How about "alt.war.us-civil-war"?
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                       kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                  +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics
                                              Flame early, flame often.
Xref: sparky alt.config:2800 alt.newgroup:3 news.groups:9589
From: petek@vipunen.hut.fi (Petri 'Pete' Karha)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.karaoke
Subject: Re: Newsgroup will change name soon
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:52:15 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In <tsh.702585021@vipunen.hut.fi> tsh@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo Hyv|nen) writes:
>mut jumalauta!

Joka itseaan auttaa, sita jumalakin auttaa.

>Eiks parempi nimi kuitenkin ois alt.klapi

Ei. Ryhmat joissa keskustellaan autonromujen etupaan liian suurista
valyksista eli ns. klapeista on oltava erikseen. Kansainvalinen ryhma
karaokelle puolustaa paikkaansa ihan hyvin.
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Xref: sparky alt.config:2985 alt.rock-n-roll:10041 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:6675
From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: alt.rock-n-roll.hard: Who wants to do a newgroup?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:18:27 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr15.184400.23925@ctr.columbia.edu> vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.171644.8441@acsu.buffalo.edu> becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
>>
>>Since the feedback on my idea to create alt.rock-n-roll.hard has been nothing
>>but positive, could someone out there send out a newgroup message?
>
>*Your* idea?  <ahem> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Actually it -was- his idea.  Or he was the first to formally propose it,
at any rate.  Or he claimed credit for it so fast that the real originator
of it never had a chance.  Take your pick.  :-)

>Seriously, though, how does one go about it?  I've always been curious...don't
>we have to clear it with the Powers that Be?

Nope.  Welcome to the "altnet", where anarchy rules.  ;-)  We just need
some friendly newsadmin to issue the newgroup.

>>Also, WRT Maple's suggestion to move *.metal groups into the new alt.music
>>hierarchy, I'm all for it. 
>
>Why bother?  We're here now, and it's not *that* big a deal...is it?

Well, it would help keep the rock-n-roll folks from continuously spilling over
into this group.  That's gotta be worth -something-...  :-)

-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: READ THIS PLEASE: alt.drumcorps re-creation Tues/Wed
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:25:12 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>I guess I'll have to get the Harvard News
>Admin to try again Mon or Tues.  He's been out of town for the last 1 1/2
>weeks.  Sigh....
>
He's back in town.  I've been in touch with him.  We're really gonna do it
this time! Expect a cntl message Tues night/Wed morning. 

For those sites which carry alt.drumcorps - great!  Ignore these posts.

For those sites which rejected alt.drumcorps the first time it was
created (because there was not adequate discussion in alt.config), 
here's your chance to get it for your site.

Uncertain?  send me email or check out alt.drumcorps yourself.  It's
been up two weeks and has about 300 posts so far.  

Hopefully, I'm doing this following proper protocol to everyone's
satisfaction.  Then I'll get out of your hair and go back to reading
alt.drumcorps   :-)   Happy computing everyone.

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M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
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From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: How about a group for Richard Feynman fans?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.gbsjw+k.jef
Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric

pds5853@sigma.tamu.edu (PAUL D. SHOCKLEE):
}    There has been some discussion in alt.culture.tuva about creating a
}group for discussion of Richard Feynman

Actually, that's what I thought alt.culture.tuva was for.  Oh well,
never underestimate the capacity of the net to miss subtlety.
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
 "My priority is providing useful software, rather than advancing some
   cause, and FSF's restrictive licensing runs very much contrary to
                        this." -- Henry Spencer
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:57:32 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to linimon@nominil.lonestar.org (Mark Linimon):
>In article <29E90724.14D1@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>So where is the "deprivation"?
>
>When news admins, some of whom pay for all the traffic their machines
>receive, tire of the garbage and drop the group.

Is there even one confirmed case of a cascade-caused newsgroup
propagation loss?  I doubt it.  Administrators don't drop groups
because of noise, they drop them because of volume.  And cascades just
aren't that much of a volume problem.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
From: aem@paris.cs.miami.edu (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: reorg of alt. music groups?
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:18:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: paris.kusdb0INNge0
Reply-To: aem@paris.cs.miami.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, University of Miami
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.miami.edu

In <1992Apr16.231854.14463@nevada.edu> jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender) writes:

>>>alt.guitar	 => alt.music.guitar

>	Alt.guitar discusses the art of playing a guitar. If you put it in
>the music hierarchy(sp?), people are going to think that it is for music that
>is guitar-oriented. I think it should be left alone, after all, the argument 
>that started this whole thing hasn't involved that group at all.

I understand your point, but playing the guitar, generally, is music.
And this proposal is consistent with the group rec.music.makers

aem
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.karaoke
From: tsh@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo Hyv|nen)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup will change name soon
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date:  6 Apr 92 18:30:21 GMT

mut jumalauta!

Eiks parempi nimi kuitenkin ois alt.klapi


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From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.drumcorps is being created again today
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:11:45 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr11.182317.10971@husc3.harvard.edu> fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
> 
>
Sorry for the misinformation - I tried it but since I didn't have proper
system status it got bumped.  I guess I'll have to get the Harvard News
Admin to try again Mon or Tues.  He's been out of town for the last 1 1/2
weeks.  Sigh....


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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: earendil@wizard.etsu.edu (Allen Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sci.astro.figaro
Subject: Re: alt.sci.astro.figaro
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:01:54 GMT
Reply-To: earendil@wizard.etsu.edu (Allen Garvin)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX



The first thing you could do is spell 'legitimize' correctly

        -Earendil the Picky Speller
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: The name will be alt.war.civil.usa
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:43:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr17.004359.9590
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <1992Apr16.071758.24547@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:

>The American Civil War newsgroup will be called alt.war.civil.usa.  I decided
>on this name because of its shortness, the way it fits into the hierarchy, and
>its less ambiguous title (usa instead of American).

It has a nice, reasonably logical structure.  However, I wonder
(rather idly, really, not being a historian) whether it would be
better served by alt.war.civil.usa or something like
alt.war.usa.civil.  Would it make more sense to group discussions
about war around American-related wars in general or the various civil
wars of different countries?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: How about a group for Richard Feynman fans?
Keywords: richard, feynman, physicists
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:37:10 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: pds5853@sigma.tamu.edu (PAUL D. SHOCKLEE)

In article <5APR199216054232@sigma.tamu.edu>, pds5853@sigma (PAUL D. SHOCKLEE) writes:
>    I just wanted to suggest the possibility in this newsgroup and see how
>everybody here would feel about creating alt.fan.richard.feynman.  It has been 
>suggested that the title might be somewhat tacky,

I think RF would be laughing at his achieving USENET immortality.  I
really don't see the tackiness.

>						   so another possibility could 
>be alt.fan.legendary.scientists.

>    Any thoughts?

At this rate, call it alt.folklore.scientists.  Which is getting ridiculous.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
Xref: sparky alt.config:2926 alt.comics.buffalo-roam:1 rec.arts.comics:13031
From: herb@csn.org (Herb Morreale)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.comics.buffalo-roam,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Daily comic strip comming to alt.comics.buffalo-roam
Keywords: daily, strip
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:44:28 GMT
Followup-To: herb@xor.com
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

About six months ago I was sitting around thinking about all the neat
things the net had to offer.  You know, the usual stuff about "where is
this whole things was going to be in 20 years?", and "I wonder if we
will ever be able to shop on-line and transfer money directly", and
"maybe we will be voting for the president on-line soon." While
considering these types of things, I usually end up thinking about
having the morning paper pop up in a window for me every day when I sit
down with my cup of coffee.  Clarinet is now offering the UPI wire in
USENET format, so some of the "morning paper" is already available
(though at a price).  So what's missing?  Not just Dear Abby, but the
Comics!

"What a great idea!", I thought.  "My friends and I will draw a comic
strip and make it available to everyone on the net".  Wrong.  Coming up
with funny ideas, not to mention just drawing the darn thing is prett
tough.  So there is lay, an interesting idea with no one able to make
it happen.  A sad, sad sight.

Then it hit me.  Find some one else who already knows how to draw and
might even have a clue as how to be funny.  You know, pass the buck.
So after a while, I happened to run into Hans Bjordahl in front of
"Falafal Man" in the food court at the local mall (I was ordering a
Gyros and a side of Falafal Balls).  Hans is the brains behind "Where
the Buffalo Roam", one of the most popular strips in the University of
Colorado's daily paper (and now syndicated to Stanford, and some of the
Florida Universities).  I told him all about the net, and he said
"wow".

Starting Wednesday, April 15 (something good had to happen on that
day), XOR Network Engineering will start bringing you "Where the
Buffalo Roam" on a daily basis.  XOR Network Engineering is based in
Boulder Colorado and interested in seeing the net used in "visionary"
ways.  If this proves to be a popular idea, XOR will try to get more
strips available as soon as possible (within a week).

Starting Wednesday, "Where the Buffalo Roam" will be distributed in
alt.comics.buffalo-roam in gif and postscript.  All feedback is
welcome, but I hope the group does not get swamped in flames and
noise.  If it does, it is likely that this idea will be lost among all
the garbage.  Once the strips begin to get posted, you can send
comments to directly to the the creater himself (hans@xor.com).

So there is the answer to the perennial first question, "What is this
group?"  All of us at XOR including Hans are really excited about this
idea.  The fun begins Wednesday!

Herb M. Morreale
XOR Network Engingeering
Boulder, CO.  
303-440-6093
herb@xor.com
From: jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
Keywords: X vs. Y
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:19:45 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (scott.forbes) writes:

> Disclaimer:  I know almost absolutely nothing about creating alt.* groups

Believe it or not, that's almost enough.

John
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: alt.metal, not alt.r-n-r.metal
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:57:07 GMT

I would like to see the following changes made to the newgroups:

alt.rock-n-roll.metal           => alt.metal
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy     => alt.metal.speed
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica => alt.metal.metallica

The reason that I think "rock-n-roll" should be removed is because
heavy metal is NOT rock n roll.  Yes, it did derive from rock music,
but it is a whole different type of music now.  It's like having a
newgroup called "alt.rock-n-roll.rap."  I believe that with the
removal of "rock-n-roll," people will stop posting about rock and
hard rock on the metal newsgroups.

I would also like "alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy" to be changed
because heavy metal and metal are the SAME thing.  I think
"alt.metal.speed" would be a more appropriate name.

Also, taking out the "rock-n-roll" would shorten the name.

lADA,

Maple

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: alt.cascade 
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:10:23 MDT
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City

How about if we create an 'alt.cascade' newsgroup for cascades and
cascade-related discussion.  If no-one objects, I will create it.  If
there are objections, I will get the voting going...

I think most people that cascade are doing it just for fun, and if given
a newsgroup for it, they might follow a charter that says 'no crossposting'.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:30:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.044405.25939@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>
>pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>: You forgot a few:
>
>[tons of fucking shit deleted]
>
>: alt.music.give.me.a.break
>: -- 
>: Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
>:              If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure
>
>Listen kid, you don't know what the hell is going on in these newsgroups.
>There are flame wars constantly about what is rock and hard rock and
>metal and etc.  These new subdivisions will stop flame wars and give
>birth to new newsgroups where people can post about something without
>getting flamed.

	True.

>
>I have been reading alt.r-n-r.metal for some time now and it's filled
>with groups like Def Leppard and Guns N Roses, which don't belong there.
>Hell, there's even stuff about INXS, U2, and Queen.  These groups are
>NOT metal.
>
>Sure, we could keep separating all these groups forever, but that was
>not my point.  I want these groups to be RENAMED so that people will
>see the differences in music more easily.
>
>The groups that I wanted to see created were "alt.music.rock.hard"
>(because hard rock gets posted in the metal newsgroups) and "alt.
>guitar.tab" (because there is an on going 'to tab or not to tab'
>controversy going on which is a waste of time).  I've been trying
>to cleanse these newsgroups, with little or no success.  People
>are starting to say stuff like "we can post whatever we want here
>as long as we think it's metal," and I'm pissed about this.  Sure,
>I've flamed a lot, but I've done all this for a specific purpose --
>to rid these newsgroups of stuff that don't belong in them.
>
	As for alt.music.guitar, I have already posted my reasons as to why
I think that is a bad idea. I think the 'to tab or not to tab' thing belongs
on alt.guitar. I is a valid disscssion. Besides that, I am now managing a
ftp TAB archive, so alt.guitar.tab has really no purpose, other than to be
the new vehicle for the current discusion on alt.guitar, which by itself is
not enough to support a news group. Peopl on alt.guitar post things like
"I'm tired of seeing tab this and tab that" but that is an aspect of guitar
playing and belongs on alt.guitar, otherwise we would have
alt.guitar.tab
alt.guitar.theory
alt.guitar.influnces
alt.guitar.performing
alt.guitar.new.products
etc


						Thanks fo listening,



						James B


From:     		jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
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