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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 12:07:31 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
 <1992Sep8.204449.4975@hubcap.clemson.edu>

>Shane Roach csroach@eng.clemson.edu writes

>According to the report in this morning's Anderson(SC) Independent-Mail, Hut
>will drive the #22 Maxwell House Thunderbird for Junior Johnson next year,
>with Sterling Marlin going to the Stavola brothers' #8 Snickers T-Bird.  I
>seem to recall reading recently that Snickers and Bobby Hillin were confirmed
>with the Stavola team for two more years, but this report seems to leave Hilli
>without a ride, at least for the moment.

   This seems to conflict with the ESPN teams facts and rumors during
   the Darlington race. According to them Snickers is looking elsewhere
   with their sponsorship, now rumored to be the Billy Hagan team.
   Also that Maxwell House is reviewing their sponsorship and
   probably will not return for '93, but a final decision
   has not been made yet. Should Maxwell House not return
   McDonalds is rumored to be the sponsor on the #22 car for
   '93 according to Ned, Benny, & Bob.
   My personal guess would be for the Snickers sponsorship
   to go to Bobby Allison's team depending on the driver, and
   Raybestos not wanting to pay Jr's asking price will go to
   the Billy Hagan/Terry Labonte team.
   As far as I can tell there are 9 drivers not under contract
   for '93, but only 5 full-time rides available

       Open Seat's for '93       Drivers not under contract for '93
   # 8- Stavola Bros                     Hut Stricklan
   #12- Bobby Allison                    Sterling Marlin
   #22- Jr. Johnson                      Dick Trickle
   #41- Larry Headrick                   Rick Wilson
   #43- Richard Petty                    Greg Sacks
                                         Bobby Hillin
                                         Jimmy Spencer
                                         Phil Parsons
Mike - MREED@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: No Honders for Rahal
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:34:17 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

On RaceDay today, they said Bobby Rahal will stick with Chevy power
for '93.  That puts to rest the Honda rumours for at least next year.

Dan Jones
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Little Al's next seat
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:44:46 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.142921.5474@news.cs.indiana.edu>,
"Kurt Zimmerman" <kuzimmer@frilled.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
|>
|>Paul Page mentioned during the Mid-Ohio race that Little Al might want
|>to fill Michael's seat at Newman-Haas.  Why would he want to do this
|>if he has such a good relationship with Galles?

The only reason I can think of is that Newman-Haas is one of the development
teams for the Ford/Cosworth Indy engine, while Galles is running Chevy/Ilmors.
Little Al has groused a few times this season about the Chevy A being down on
power compared to the Ford.

|>Since Mansell announced his retirement from F1, is there any chance at
|>all that Unser might get a shot with Williams?  He has tested with
|>them hasn't he?  Or would the "must drive at Indy" keep him totally
|>out of the picture.

Frank Williams seems to be confining his negotiations to those with a proven
championship record in F1 (e.g., Mansell, Senna, Prost).  For all his
unquestioned skill as a driver, Little Al faces a learning curve while adjusting
to the new team, cars, tracks, and lifestyle of F1.  Any "must drive at Indy"
strings attached to the drive certainly would make things that much more
difficult.

--PSW
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Subject: Re: Not good news (sponsors)
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:58:20 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>It's getting rather serious, and scary:

>Scuttlebutt has it that Tide will walk away with
>its TransAm Series support, as well as it being
>likely that Camel will withdraw from IMSA.

>Sure hope there's some healthy corporations out
>there that will pick up the slack next year, or
>we may just not have a whole lot to talk about
>here.....

It's worse than you think.  If the current move by some busy-body groups is
successful, the FTC will be banning ALL alcohol related advertising from
sports.  No more Budwiser....or Miller, etc.  Ouch.  And if the related
issue of tobacco is successful, no more 'Winston' Cup, since that is
cigarette advertising, don't you know.

Of course, I did notice one logical conclusion of this that seems to have
escaped these idiots :  The Milwaukee Brewers will have to change their
name.

Of course, if this happens, I'm suing the California Angels for defaming
the cherubim and seraphim. 

 -Steve
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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Italian GP on ESPN?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 15:45:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron) says:

>Is ESPN covering the Italian GP?  Anyone know what time it will be on?  
>Live/tape delayed?
>

Also does anyone know if it will be re-broadcasted?
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:35:32 GMT


I need to make a slight correction to my statement yesterday
regarding a driver (in this case DW) wearing a political campaign
button.  In fact, it really was being worn by the car *owner*.

Now that's a whole 'nuther matter! :-)

-c'ball-
(is Richard Petty still an elected official in NC?)


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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  9 Sep 1992 09:16 EST  

In article <1992Sep8.205722.28386@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) 
writes...

>We touched on this a bit last week, with the USA political
>season in full swing (hah-and WE talk about silly-season!).

>So now we have the candidates showing up at racetracks (like
>Clinton at Darlington the other day).  But it really bothered
>me that ol' DW was wearing his Bush/Quayle button quite clearly
>in the post-race interviews.  Now I like DW as much as the other
>guy, but I really am against the driver's displaying thi
>their political persuasion in front of the cameras.  And I also
>wonder what the sponsors' stand is along these lines.  Is it just
>me or is this bugging anybody else?

I seem to recall Richard Petty mentioning that he was a "life-long 
Republican" during the pre-race circus with George Bush at the Pepsi 400 at 
Daytona.

I imagine that if Bill France has a problem with DW's button, he'll let DW 
know about it.  But the counter-arguement is that the day started with 
Clinton as Grand Marshall, so one side got their say at the beginning of 
the race and the other got their say at the end. (Side note - is Clinton 
really a "Bubba" if he gets booed out of the joint by the GOB's?)

ESPN kind of poo-pooed Clinton's appearance at Darlington - they showed his 
"Start your engines" command and mentioned late in the race that Mark 
Martin is also from Arkansas (Hmm... then again DW's from the same state as 
Gore).

On a slightly less political note (but one which will probably get me flamed), 
maybe Bobby Rahal should call Bill Elliott to get lessons on "How to extend 
your points lead by staying out of trouble."

JD
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Lee Moselle
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:19:31 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

I heard over the weekend that Lee Moselle, the Executive Director of SCRAMP
the organization that runs Laguna Seca, pasted away several days ago.  He had
held that position at SCRAMP since the late seventies I think.  

Dan Jones
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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: F1 Qualifying tYres.
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:46:07 GMT

In article <Bu2CEw.F1s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby
Vaughn Padfield) writes:
>
|>	Since Goodyear is the only supplier of tires this year, they did away
|>qualifying tires. If Bridgestone and/or Michelin come in '94, then there woul
|>be a return of them. The reasons quallies are used is to provide maximum
|>trac-
|>tion for maybe 2 laps, usually only one. That means it is EXTREMELY costly to
|>go out and use 2 or 3 sets of EXPENSIVE tires per Q session, plus your normal
|>racing tires. If Goodyear is the only one, they don't make them!!! Hope this
|>helps!

So why didn't the brighter teams keep a few tyres back from when they were still
on the market? - or is there a gentlemans agreement about that sort of thing?

Takes all the fun out of the sport y' know, I really like the sound (and smell)
of money burning, when it's someone else's of course!

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy and F1: IN CAR CAMS
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:36:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:

>Hello,
>	In the telecast for last weekends Indy race, it was mentioned in a
>tech report (or whatever they are called :) ) how the in car cams work.  My
>question is this, they mentioned that the microwave sender and camera unit
>wiegh (sic) about 8 pounds.  Would this not affect the speed of the car?
>I know that it isnt much, but in the Indy 500 this year for instance,
>wouldnt that much weight possibly have changed the outcome?  
>Also, are the teams paid for this?  Who pays for the new cowling cover that
>holds the camera unit?
>Thanks
>Brad

One of the Galles team managers told me last year that they wouldn't
do it at all if they weren't "compensated well" for it by the network.
In addition to the weight penalty, he mentioned that the aerodynamic 
penalty is enough to be noticed, mainly in terms of fuel economy over 
the course of the race, especially on a high-speed oval.  When I asked
how much they received for their troubles, he said it was about enough
to make up for the possible lost finishing position(s), a coy answer
at best.  Anyway, I hope this helps.
race.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: The Galmer Chassis
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:50:48 GMT

Some are talking that Al Jr. may well be enticed to buy
out his current contract with Galles and move over to
the Newman-Haas Team next year, replacing Michael.  I just
don't see it happening for several reasons.  One of course
being I just can't picture Little Al and Mario teammates.
But even larger, you really have to give the Galmer chassis
some credit, being it's first year and all.  Will be 
interesting to see how the new one, due to debut at Nazareth,
will do.

Thru last weekend's race at Mid-O, in CART MILES COMPLETED,
Al is #1 with 3,252.430 and Danny Sullivan is #2 at 3,137.814.
Also, in CART LAPS COMPLETED, Al and Danny are also 1-2, with
1810 and 1746 respectively.

Tells me something.....

-c'ball-
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Qualifying Times for Monza 1992
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:52:19 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

Qualifying Times for 1992 Italian GP, Monza from BBC Ceefax

After Friday Practice	      Final Grid Positions

Mansell		1m 22.586s    Mansell		1m 22.221s  
Senna		1m 22.822s    Senna		1m 22.821s  
Alesi		1m 22.976s    Alesi		1m 22.976s  
Patrese		1m 23.022s    Patrese		1m 23.022s  
Berger		1m 23.997s    Berger		1m 23.112s  
Schumacher	1m 24.143s    Schumacher	1m 23.629s  
Brundle		1m 24.551s    Capelli		1m 24.321s  
Capelli		1m 24.877s    Boutsen		1m 24.413s  
Hakkinen	1m 25.108s    Brundle		1m 24.551s  
Boutsen		1m 25.173s    Gachot		1m 24.654s  
Gachot		1m 25.173s    Hakkinen		1m 24.807s  
Comas		1m 25.178s    Morbidelli	1m 24.912s  
Alboreto	1m 25.234s    Herbert		1m 25.140s  
Grouillard	1m 25.354s    Lehto		1m 25.145s  
de Cesaris	1m 25.502s    Comas		1m 25.178s  
Martini		1m 25.528s    Alboreto		1m 25.234s  
Morbidelli	1m 25.575s    Wendlinger	1m 25.343s  
Suzuki		1m 25.775s    Grouillard	1m 25.354s  
Lehto		1m 25.951s    Suzuki		1m 25.374s  
Herbert		1m 26.162s    Tarquini		1m 25.420s  
Naspetti	1m 26.276s    de Cesaris	1m 25.425s  
Tarquini	1m 26.305s    Martini		1m 25.528s  
Gugelmin	1m 26.463s    Katayama		1m 26.174s  
Wendlinger	1m 26.667s    Naspetti		1m 26.279s  
Katayama	1m 27.018s    Van de Poele	1m 26.407s  
Van de Poele	1m 27.019s    Gugelmin		1m 26.463s  
Fittipaldi	1m 27.228s    Fittipaldi	1m 26.510s  
Modena		1m 27.331s    Modena		1m 27.331s  


		Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles				bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: F1 Trivia answers
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 10:14:08 GMT

> burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com (Dave Burden) writes:
>> Here are the answers and replies to the latest F1 Trivia questions.

MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson) writes:
> Sigh.  I *thought* I'd fixed the problem of email to Dave Burden from
> my Sun going into limbo.  Evidently not.

I don't you if it's you Sun, Mark -- my mail from SCO Unix seems to have
disappeared en route as well.  :(

>>> 2 (a bit more difficult): Name the drivers who have come soooooo close to 
>>> winning the WDC, yet never have.  This is determined by finding drivers who 
>>> could have won the title in the last race of the year, but didn't.  Also, 
>>> don't include any driver in this situation who had a previous WDC title or 
>>> won it later on.  (Hint: there are 9 different drivers)

> Here are the nine I came up with, and I think this was the list Dave
> had in mind:
> 
> '51 Jose Froilan Gonzalez
> '58 and '59 Stirling Moss
> '59 Tony Brooks
> '74 Clay Regazzoni
> '81 Carlos Reutemann
> '81 Jacques Laffite
> '82 Didier Pironi
> '82 John Watson
> '83 Rene Arnoux

My list had no Pironi, but I did have Fagioli...
	Year    Champion   p	Contenders
	--------------------------------------------------
	1950	Farina     22	Fangio 26, *Fagioli 24
	1951	Fangio     23	Ascari 21, *Gonzalez 18
	1958	Hawthorn   35	*Moss 33
	1959	Brabham    28	*Brooks 23, *Moss 25.5, Hill 20
	1974	Fittipaldi 52	*Regazzoni 52, Scheckter 45
	1981	Piquet     48	*Reutemann 49, *Laffite 43
	1982	Rosberg    42	*Watson 33
	1983	Piquet     55	Prost 57, *Arnoux 49
Points shown before the final race of the season...

> . . .assuming one includes Pironi, gravely injured but alive at the
> time of the final GP of the season, and excludes Wolfgang von Trips,
> killed before the end of the 1961 season.  Dan Jones proposed (and Dave
> Burden accepted) two others:

>> 	'50 Luigi Fagioli

> Going into the final race of 1950, Fagioli had 24 points (four 2nds).
> However his theoretical maximum was only 26 (8 + 3x6) as only four
> races could be counted.  Juan Manuel Fangio already had 26 points, and
> as he had three wins would have been champion on the "greatest number
> of wins" tiebreaker even in Fagioli's best-case outcome.

Not quite!  His maximum was *9* + 3x6, since you got 8 points for a win,
plus 1 point for the fastest lap, so he *did* have a chance...

>> 	'56 Peter Collins

> This appears to be correct - had Collins won, and Fangio not placed,
> they would have been tied with 30 points and 3 wins each - but two
> shared 2nds for Collins against one for Fangio.

Now, how I managed to miss this one...  :(

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese in the late 70s
Date: 13 Sep 1992 23:38:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) says:

>
> There was some discussion on the ESPN coverage of Monza about Patrese
>being accused of "being dangerous to drive with" by some of the other
>drivers. All this was done following the accident that lead to the death
>of Roni Peterson, back in the late 70s. Patrese was eventually cleared by
>the investigation that followed. Then David Hobbs said that the driver
>that was most active against Patrese then, was probably more dangerous
>than Patrese AND came to be World Champion a few years later.
>
> I guess I am too young to remember any of this, so if someone knows
>who David Hobbs was referring to, and maybe some more details on the
>whole issue...


James Hunt is the driver that actually hit Peterson not Patrese is
what I heard.
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio ticket info.
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 22:35:25 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> Anyone know the ticket information for the Sept 13th race at Mid-Ohio??

Thursday 10 Sept
  8:00 to 5:30  test day
  12:00 noon gates open Motor Home and tent campers admitted into park,
daily admission $5.00 or free with weekend ticket

Friday 11 Sept
  6:30 am gates open
  8:00 to 12:30 practice all groups (CART [sic], ARS, Trans-Am, Formula
Atlantic, and Barber Saab)
  1:45 to 5:45 qualifying all groups

Saturday 12 Sept
  6:30 gates open
  8:00 to 8:45 Formula Atlantic Qualifying
  9:00 to 10:00 Indy Practice
  10:15 to 10:45 ARS practice
  11:00 to 11:30 TransAm qualifying
  11:45 to 1:00 Indy qualifying (2 groups, half hour each)
  1:30 to 2:00 ARS qualifying
  2:15 to 2:45 Barber Saab Qualifying
  3:00 Toyota Atlantic Championship Race
  4:30 Red Roof Inns / Tide Trans-Am Tour Race

Sunday 13 Sept
  6:00 am gates open
  8:30 - 10:00 Warm ups (CART, ARS, and Barber Saab)
  10:45 Firestone Indy Lights Race
  11:45 to 12:45 Pre Race Ceremonies
  1:00 Pioneer Electronics 200 PPG Indy Car World Series (89 laps)
  3:30 Zerex Saab Pro Series Race

Friday, $5, Saturday $15, Sunday $27, Weekend $37
Paddock $18, Sat Grandstand $8, Sun Grandstand $10, Super Ticket $69
Clubhouse $20, Super Photo $175

Phone +1-800-MID-OHIO

Young adult tickets for race fans between 13-21, pricing by phone
Children 12 and under accompanied by parent or legal guardian admitted
free.

Mid Ohio Sports Car Course
POBox 3108
Lexington, Ohiio 44904

does that help?

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh 

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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: F1: Schumacher's gearbox technique
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:35:55 GMT

In article lb9mfcINN9o9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware) writes:

>Anyway, as a sometimes, part-time driver of open wheeled cars, I got a
>huge kick out of listening to Schumacher on the in-car as he
>downshifted for corners. Rather than blipping the throttle and running
>down the box (e.g., <blip> 6-5, <blip> 5-4, etc.), it appeared to me
>as if he simply does a MAMMOTH blip (right up against the rev-limiter-
>the RL indicator light comes on on the dash!), and pulls against the
>lever until... WHAM he has the gear. And he did this all race long-

>And to think that I thought that manhandling the Hewland in the FF and
>F2000 cars I've driven took _finesse_. I musta been doing it _all
>wrong_. Wonder what James Young Stewart would think of that?
>

Good observation Scott. I was noticing the same thing and am in agreement 
with your interpretation of what was going on. 

Also interesting is how low the revs would drop before the big blip. If that 
were the FW14 it would have shut itself down! 

BTW, the rev limiters in our Formula Renaults would cut spark under load but 
not do anything for overrevving while blipping in neutral. What's the deal?
Are there types that work in all circumstances. Is it harder to do for both
instances or what?

Anyway I think he was doing just as you say. It seems this would not produce
the smoothest braking. I will sometimes skip down from 5th to 2nd via a 
clutchless downshift, but it is only smooth when I don't over-do the blip.
In other words, if I stay in the tall gear until I'm at the right roadspeed
for the new lower gear, and then blip just enough to mesh, but not over.
Doing what we think Michael was doing, has, for me, resulted in a clean
clutchless downshift with no gear crashing, but always produces a noticeable 
jolt to the car, at least in the Formula Renaults (and street cars) 

But hey, Schu's fast and I'm not, so...I'd bet he knows what he's doing.
He could be just doing what that particular car likes to do best.

Matt
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From: bill@bain3.bain.oz.au (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Toohey's 1000/Bathurst Touring Cars
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:39:10 GMT
Organization: Bain & Company, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Ben Bradley (bradley@reed.edu) wrote:
> Dear Friends in Australia:
> 
> Thus, this is my humble plea for assistance.  I need to get some
> sort of idea of what I'm getting myself into, ie how to get from
> Sydney to Bathurst, what's involved in obtaining tickets, and where
> abouts on Mt. Panorama does one camp?  I'm fairly clueless about
> this (and many other things :) ) and would appreciate any help that
> is offered.
>


a) Sydney to Bathurst. Sydney is a big city .. about 70 miles by 50. Buy the
time you have left the greater metropolitan area, you are at leat a third of the
way there. The most pleasant route, via a town called Bell, takes you over
winding mountain roads, before reaching the plains. You need to allow about
three hours from the city. Head for a town called Richmond, and follow the signs
to Lithgow, and then Bathurst.

b) Buy tickets on the day. Last year was about $40 on race day, but I picked one
up from a 1st day competitor who was leaving, for $20.

c) Camp on the top of the mountain. It is like a small town - some suburbs drink
all night, while in others you wouldn't even know a race was on.

I've been about 10 times - truly an experience. 


PS Bring plenty of suntan cream, a hat, and a pair of binoculars wouldn't go
astray. It gets cold at night as well, so a decent sleeping bag is handy.  No 
alcohol is allowed - you have to buy it all there - profits go to charity. All
the food you could require is available to.



Regards

 
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