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From: buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren Buchanan)
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Followup-To: rec.music.newage
Summary: joke and comments
Keywords: classification
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:02:48 GMT

In article <BETSYS.92Dec29130607@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>I've heard that Santa Fe has the highest incidence of crystal and
>alternative healers 

Wow, but do they have any crystal healers?  I dropped mine and...

JOKE MODE OFF:

I used to say I collect newage music, but now I say I collect electronic
music and some newage (most people seem to be able to understand at least
one of those terms).  The flavors I prefer within those broad catagories 
include: instrumental rock, space musice, classical, country & western (but
sadly there is very little of this available), and jazz (well some jazz).

I have bought recordings I have never heard before based on what record label
it is on, the instrumentation used, the picture on the cover, the name of
the recording, the price (heck, if it is under $3 I'll buy almost anything),
etc.  About the only thing I have stopped doing is taking someones word for
it (one of my most hated purchases was based on a recommendation from some
one I met here on the net, and no, I no longer own it so you can't get it
cheap from me).

I doubt that the discussion here on the net will solve this problem unless
we can come up with an acceptable name to replace "newage music" and then
we lobby heavily record stores, record labels, radio stations, etc. to use
the new term.  Heck, I would settle for it to be labeled easy listening and
it could be divided into two subcategories (instrumental and vocal) for 
larger stores.

B Cing U

Buck

P.S.  Does any one know of any electronic instrumental country space rock
recordings (you know with synthesizer(s), guitars [acoustic and/or electronic
and/or bass and/or steel], fiddle(s), with a danceable beat).  Please start
a new thread for a response to this request.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato)
Subject: digest for rec.music.newage?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 18:37:44 GMT




is anyone keeping a digest of this newsgroup?  I can only read it once a week
and many articles are thrown away by the time I get my reading done...

any info (by email) is appreciated...




john

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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: jvb7u@Virginia.EDU (Jon Brinkmann)
Subject: Re: BMG
Reply-To: jvb7u@Virginia.EDU (Jon Brinkmann)
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:17:06 GMT

> On Mon 21-Dec-1992  9:48a, Saltheart Foamfollowe wrote:
> 
> So, for about 6 mailings and invoices, I would write right on there 
> asking them to cancel my membership.  I would also send a request with 
> each CD I returned.  It finally got so damned frustrating that I sent the 
> following letter:
...

Amazing!  I've never tried to quit BMG... I've been a member of their
classical music club for about five years now.  I did get tired of sending
back the cards, so I wrote a short note on one asking them to convert
my membership to one in which I didn't have to send them back.  I got a
postcard saying "we are sorry you want to quit, so we are changing your
membership status so you don't have to return the cards."   That was
two years ago.  I've ordered only twice since then, both times when
they had a 3-for-1 offer I liked.  No problems, no hassles.

Jon
From: jde0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON DAVID EISENBERG)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Clannad
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:51:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Can anyone give me advice about what Clannad album might be a good
introduction to the group.  I have heard their music in the movies Patriot
Games and The Last of the Mohicans, but do not want to waste my money if those
were not typical of the group.  I would appreciate any suggestions that you
might have.

Thanx (in advance),
Jon Eisenberg
Lehigh University
From: bmaple@burner.com (Bob Maple)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Followup-To: rec.music.newage
Subject: Volkswagon Commercial Music - Final Answers
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:38:46 MST
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

Since so many people have been asking ever since I originaly did, I thought
I'd make this posting to tell everyone once and for all..

The recent Volkswagon commercial(s) have been sporting some very nice
Enya-ish music in the background.

This music is from the group Clannad, and I believe you are hearing Maire
Brennan's voice.  The Clannad CD 'Anam' contains this very song,
"Harry's Game" from the movie 'Patriot Games', which is the said music in the
VW commercials.

While this song may be available on other CDs (Clannad or otherwise), I
can personally attest that the song on the 'Anam' CD is that of the VW
commercial.

Unless there new VW commercials with even different music yet, in which case..

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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: "new age" label
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:03:46 GMT

Lee Fogel (lxfogel@srv.pacbell.com) writes:

> I often buy CDs based on the section the're in, the types of instruments
> used, the producer, label etc.  I discovered Patrick O'Hearn, Yanni, Giles
> Reaves and some others this way.  Of course I also ended up with quite a
> few dogs. 

That last is the reason I don't do this. I generally will no longer buy an
album unless I've heard something by the band at least once, because even
albums I've bought based on recommendations from friends whose opinions I
trust have not always been things I enjoyed. I have a small stack of CDs I'm
trying to get rid of because I bought them without having heard them, and
ended up not caring for them at all.

So, I would hesitate to buy an album I'd never heard even if I'd heard from
friends that it was good; I certainly wouldn't take random chances based on
some teenage record store clerk's opinion of what albums are in the same
category. Then again, being in school for the last four years gave me ample
opportunity to borrow albums from friends before buying, and working in
academia for the last six months has allowed me to continue this practice.
If I didn't have the luxufy of being able to borrow before I bought, I might
be more inclined to take shots in the dark, as it were.

The moral of the story? The time-honored classic: "Different people do
things differently." (grin) If it works for you, electronic-music on.
-- 
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"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Slepian, Brennan, Wallace, etc...
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:44:36 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Hi,

	Per your request...

George Wallace

c/o Larger than Life Music
10 Belmont Sq.
Doylestown, PA 18901  USA

	I first heard Georges tape 'Sacred Earth' on Starsend a few years back
and was immediately enthralled.  Its very serene, spacey and earthy all at the same time.  Wallace uses percussion in the same manner as David
Parsons, just enough to get the point across.

	'Garden of Dreams' according to Wallace "explores those mysterious
realms where the hearts and souls of children dwell; the dream state where
young spirits play...", you get the picture.  More dynamic and percussive
than 'Sacred Earth'.  At times sounding like 'Dream Time Return' era Roach.
The last cut on the second side even conjures up the David Sylvian/Holger
Czukay sound.

	'Communion' (CD or CS) is a much more developed work, sounding some times like Mark Dwane and at other times like David Parsons or Iasos but
always with Wallaces own style, his best IMHO.

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Don Slepian

	His early release 'Computer Don't Breakdown' is a spacey classic and
sadly long out of print.  Don remixed and rereleased it as 'Sonic
Perfume',though.  His releases on Fortuna, 'Sea of Bliss' and 'Rhythm of
Life' are much like Steve Roach in his 'Quiet Music'/'Structures From
Silence' phase.  I don't know if 'Plaisir Synthetique' has been officially
released.

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*


Thom Brennan

c/o TMB Music
24256 Hatteras St.
Woodland Hills, CA 91367   USA

	Thom has only one release that I know of so far, 'Mountains'.  When
Chuck Vanzyl first played it on Starsend, I thought it was the best thing
that Software had ever done!  Only after the break did I learn that it was
Thom Brennan.  He wrote me back that he expects to have a new release as
well as a CD release of 'Mountains'.  Produced by Steve Roach.

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Robertson

	A favorite of Archie (Eurock) Patterson and apparently a personal
friend as well.  He's written several letters/editorials to Eurock over the
years.  His music is very heavy on the Synclavier.  His first, 'Star Music'
is his best, IMHO.  I think all his releases are available on Fortuna.

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

..and while I'm at it, write to:

Perry Thompson          He sent me his cassette 'Sleeping Giants' for
70 Sproul Rd.           free.  Its very Burmer-esque.
Malvern, PA 19355 USA


	All of these guys make great music, check them out!

			Andy Wing
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From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:59:35 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Charly Rhoades (charly@hal.COM) wrote:

: Neither "Allah," "Air," nor "Productivity" are on *my* copy of _Cobalt_Blue_.
: Are these only available through the Echoes production?  Or might they be
: on the live Brook album I've read about only in general terms (and about
: which I greatly desire more information).

	I think Brook may have retitled these pieces in between the living-
room concert and the pressing of 'Cobalt Blue'.  One of the lrc pieces was
untitled at the time and probably is on the 'Cobalt Blue' in a shortened
form.  I know nothing about a live release and haven't gotten 'Cobalt Blue'
into my collection yet, so I haven't heard the CD in its entirety.

			Andy Wing

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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Clannad
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:26:55 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Organization: The Group W Bench

In <1992Dec22.075149.124146@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jde0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON DAVID EISENBERG) writes:

>Can anyone give me advice about what Clannad album might be a good
>introduction to the group.  I have heard their music in the movies Patriot
>Games and The Last of the Mohicans, but do not want to waste my money if those
>were not typical of the group.  I would appreciate any suggestions that you
>might have.

Two: {Amman}, their latest, with a couple of the Patriot Games tunes
on it, and some more really good stuff... I'd never heard Celtic Blues
before, but this album has it; the sax is.... just get it. :) 

The second: {Past Present}, a best-of kind of thing.... I have yet
to get this, but it should give you a flavour of what they're about...
I have yet to hear anything by this group I didn't like.  Traditional
Celtic folk, folk rock, blues, soothing instrumental.... if you like
Enya at all, or anything else Gaelic, you're about to spend a lot of money. :)

-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
There Can Be Only One  -- The McLeod
From: bmaple@burner.com (Bob Maple)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: BMG
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:53:57 MST
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

On Mon 21-Dec-1992  9:48a, Saltheart Foamfollowe wrote:

SF> So, for about 6 mailings and invoices, I would write right on there 
SF> asking them to cancel my membership.  I would also send a request with 
SF> each CD I returned.  It finally got so damned frustrating that I sent the 
SF> following letter:
SF>  
SF>    To Whom It May Concern:

<rest deleted>

Amazing!  I've quit BMG two times now, and I'm STILL a member.  The first time
I simply wrote 'cancel' on the invoice.  I received a call from one of their
drones who then told me that since I'm such a happening guy, I get to be in
their 'preferred customer' group, by which I ALWAYS get the SAME deal, 'buy
one, get one 1/2 off' no matter what the normal offering was.

I still got tired of sending those things back, and finally, after having
received a U2 CD, sent it back, and got one of their 'what a horrible person
you are' notes back, I wrote them an extremely rude letter which expressed
that I TOLD them to cancel me once, and I don't take anymore to having to
tell a place when NOT to ship me merchandise.

So then I get a letter saying I'm an even MORE happening guy, and I get their
'super-duper-whizzo-bang-extremely-preferred-customer' club, by which I
don't have to send back the stupid little cards each month.  They do however
warn that if I don't order something every now and then, I'll be dropped from
the club.

I still haven't been.  Their mailings come straight from my mailbox into the
trash.

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Toys and Enya
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:15:27 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

steve@oceania.com writes:

> Yes, there is a sound track out on CD and (you won't believe this) I saw
> it in the used bin last weekend at my local CD store! 

I bought Seal's self-titled CD out of the used bins before it was even
available in stores.  Lots of these "instant used discs" are really just
promos that were sent to the stores or sold to the stores by radio
stations.

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From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: New Age Radio programs in Boston Area
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:45:49 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: SunSelect
NNTP-Posting-Host: tyger.east.sun.com

Quoth reuber@world.std.com (kent b reuber) (in <BzFEEG.2H4@world.std.com>):
#Does anyone know any radio programs/stations featuring new age in the
#Boston area? Is "Hearts of Space" broadcast by anyone?
#
#The only program I know of is WUMB (U. Mass. Boston) who does an "Acoustic
#Sunrise" program on Sunday mornings 'til 12:00 noon.

WBUR (90.9, should be the #1 station programmed on your stereo)
broadcasts 2 Hearts of Space shows every Sunday evening from
10 to midnight.

WBOS also plays occasional new age-like stuff. Phone requests help...

Geoff
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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Subject: Re: Volkswagon and Enya/Clannad
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:56:12 GMT

"Dan Thompson" (p00166@psilink.com) wrote:
: I have recently been seeing a series of Volkswagon commercials --
: talking mostly about "driving is a passion" or some such marketing
: scheme.  Anyway, the background music for this commercial sounds quite
: nice, with some similarity to Enya, by my hearing anyway.  I have played
: back through my Enya (Enya, Watermark, and Shepard Moons), and have not
: heard it.  Perhaps it is Clannad? -- I've heard that they are similar.
:
: So... does anyone recoginize this music, or was it just done for the
: commercial?

No the title of the music is "Theme From Harry's Game" I believe and it
was done by Clannad.  It can be found on their album Past-Present as well
as the soundtrack to the film "Patroit Games".  It may also be available
on another Clannad album to (I think their latest one that was released in
the U.S.).

George Cifrancis III
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Contacts wanted
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:57:03 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


	Hi,

	Anyone have addresses/contacts for:

Nathan Griffith - Had a composition 'Story of God' on a Eugene Music Collective
sampler a while back.  Is Eugene Music Collective still around?

Loren Merril - I've heard several cuts from 'Point of Arrival' on Starsend, but
never seen his cassettes in any of the numerous mail order catalogs I get.

JD Emmanuel - His "Rainforest" is very much like Peter Michael Hamels stuff.

Francesco - His "Cosmic Beam" may never have been actually released, but it was
played on Starsend.

	Thanks in advance.

				Andy Wing

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Can we begin to synthesize imagery?
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From: erekose@Apple.COM (Erik Scheelke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Mark Shreeve, Legion, on CD, sortof
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:21:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Every so often, someone asks if Mark Shreeve has released "Legion" on CD...

Well this may be old news, but it is already out under the name of
"Oracle".  This CD contains contain renamed and remixed versions of all
the tracks on "Legion" (for instance Sybex Factor is now Thunderdome and
ICON is called Shadow Play (which, BTW was a joint effort with Chris
Franke of old Tangerine Dream)).  I was a bit disappointed in the differ-
ences between the CD and the album.  In my opinion, the album has a bit
more OOMPH, if you know what I mean.

Also, there are 3 versions of each song:  The full length track, a 59 second
track, and a 29 second track.

Anyway, here are the details.

Oracle, by Mark Shreeve
Catalog #BR128
Bruton Music, Ltd.
11 Greek St., London, W1V5LE
Tel. 01-437-4266

If anyone finds a US distributor, please let me know.  My brother got his
CD on a trip to England.

Erik



PS:  This CD contains a pulsating rhythm with high pitched melody line,
a bold futuristic theme, and some fast continuous powerful motion.

... at least according the bizarre comments in the liner notes following
each track!



PPS:  Mark Shreeve also has a couple other CDs out.



PPPS:  If anyone knows of any other Shreeve-like musicians, please let me
know.  His music is a bit like stuff one can generate with SoundTracker
on the Amiga (or PC, I guess).
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:50:43 GMT

I lack specific details, but Brook's live one is I think on the label
4AD. He also appears on the majority of Jon Hassell releases I have, 
including at least one of the ones with Eno.

I saw Michael Brook live about a week ago, opening for John Cale. It was
a very interesting show and my first exposure to his solo work. I 
got to sit in the front row and even exchanged a small dialog with him -
he said he was doing a piece for Kora and asked if anyone knew what a 
Kora was. I blurted out "It's a big gourd thing" and he said something
like "we have a winner, down here in front, it's a *BIG GOURD THING*, 
which got a pretty hearty laugh from the audience. His set at times
reminded me of ASHRA circa BLACKOUTS, and a wee bit of David Torn and 
Adrian Belew at times too. He joined Cale for a rendition of a track
from the Cale/Eno lp WRONG WAY UP. Overall I was pretty interested in
his playing and I'll definitely be checking out some of his work
on cd soon. 

  - Malcolm  
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: ddsmith@cs.washington.edu (Douglas D. Smith)
Subject: Re: Electronic Country Space Music (Was Re: 'Newage' music)
Organization: UW Computer Science
	<1i8dgmINN84j@renoir.hal.COM>
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:10:43



> In article <C04y4p.45y@ra.nrl.navy.mil> buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren
> Buchanan) writes: 
> 
>P.S.  Does any one know of any electronic instrumental country space
>rock recordings (you know with synthesizer(s), guitars [acoustic
>and/or electronic and/or bass and/or steel], fiddle(s), with a
>danceable beat).  Please start a new thread for a response to this
>request. 

You might try David Jaffe's _Silicon Valley Breakdown_.  I've only
heard it once but it's like electronic bluegrass.  It may be hard to
find because it's in the Computer Music genre and probably not on a
major label.

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From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve, Legion, on CD, sortof
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:37:13 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi,

	Here's the info on earlier Shreeve stuff.

Firemusic - Appeared briefly in Martin Reeds catalog, but was discontinued
before I could get a copy.

Phantom and Embryo - Cassette only on MSM recordings.  Martin used to stock
these, don't know if he still does.  ca 1980.

Ursa Major - Cassette only on Dune recordings, 1980.

	Primary instrument was the Yamaha CS30 plus various tape effects.
Apparently all four were done in Shreeves home studio.  His recording technique
was designed to maximize the musical effect through speakers as opposed to
headphones.  You can write to Martin Reed at:

	Mirage Music
	614 southmead road, filton
	Bristol bs12 7rf
	England

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Subject: Suggestions wanted for drum machine...
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:22:07 GMT

I don't use my current system for anything but recording, so I need
some advice...

I'm looking for a drum machine I can use for performance; here is my wish
list:


	MIDI In/Out

	Internal sequencer, with either a lot of memory (say enough for
		about 30 minutes of songs) or a *very* quick way to
		get the next song into the thing. (Disk?)

	Sequencer externally programmable via MIDI. (So I can write the
		sequence on my PC, and then download it to the machine.)

	A good set of sounds that are reasonably realistic. (Though I'm
		not too picky.)

	Portable enough that I don't mind carrying it around to gigs.
		(I'll put up with the amp, since I don't have a choice.)

	Cheap.  (hah.)


Thanks for any info..

Sean.

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