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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish parliament open for the season
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <WD.92Oct7135539@sam.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes:
>
>I like to bring this up from time to time ...
>
>As the Swedish parliament is now open for the season, could anybody tell
>me whether and when the Swedish parliament intends to ratify the 
>EC-EFTA treaty ?
>Austria ratified it about two weeks ago, so how about Sweden ?

The anser to the "if" question is "yes". No controversy (*) which will 
jeopardize the EES treaty, as far as I know. The answer to the "when" 
question is "during the autumn", as far as I know. The government's EES 
propsal is fairly extensive in number of pages (four or five fat 
volumes). There's a special EES comitte of the Parliament, which 
actually has been working over most of the summer. (**)

(*) The question about "freedom of information" has surfaced lately, as 
something which can create controversy. The Swedish version of this is 
different from the anglosaxon countries where the term is used. 
Basically, any document which is recieved or created by a Swedish 
authority (state or local) is public, unless it's classified as secret, 
which is not allowed except for very specific reasons. Any citizen have 
the right to access these public documents, without having to answer the 
"why" question. (And basically without cost or delay.) E.g. you can read 
applications for a state job (interesting to judge the competition if you 
applied yourself), or you can find out the salary of *any* public-
employed person (such as me). There is a possibility that this freedom 
will be less liberal, but as I understand it this is still somewhat 
unclear. I hope we can keep things as they are, because I'm a curious 
person, and I have used these rights on occasion.

(**) The comittes can work when the parliament is not in session without 
any "dramatic" decision being made, unlike a special session with the 
whole chamber. Also, it is very uncommon that a special committe of 
Riksdagen is being created for a specific purpose; there are 16 permanent 
comittes (15 members each) which usually cover most issues.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Radio propaganda (was: Denmark mm)
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:29:57 GMT

In article <1bhn9dINNf1v@corax.udac.uu.se>, andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:
>For the readers' information: Radio Islam has been found guilty
>of agitation against an ethnic group, the legally responsible
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>person (who is merely a front for Ahmed Rami) has been sentenced
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to jail, and Rami now claims to be shutting down the station "as
>a protest".  This radio station has been transmitting antisemitic
>propaganda for years, and has (I think) been repeatedly convicted
>for that, though until now with little practical effect.

Wait a minute; didn't they sentence *Ahmed Rami himself* to four or six 
months of imprisonment for this, despite the fact that the other person 
ought to be legally accountable for this? I think Rami has been 
convicted before, and has because of this lost his right to be 
responsible for a radio station (or, a radio station with Rami 
responsible wouldn't be allowed to transmit). Obviously, the court found 
it proved that Rami was to blame anyway.

A funny thing about freedom-of-press legal cases in Sweden is that a 
jury is used, in the Anglo-saxon way. However, the members of the jury 
are drawn from a rather small pool in each county. They are appointed 
for four-year terms by the regional "parliament" (landstinget) and 
should, according to relevant legislation, be persons of good standing, 
known for their independent thinking, and be representative for a broad and 
diverse part of society.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
From: miket@ems.cdc.com (Mike Tipton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Is Statkraft on Internet
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:33:45 GMT
Reply-To: miket@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

Does anyone out there know if Statkraft, the Norwegian State Power
Company, is on internet.  Or if any part of Statkraft is connected to
internet.  Thanks.
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From: tomten@solace.hsh.se (Kare H. Pettersson)
Subject: Re: Denmark
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:36:08 GMT

In <1992Oct14.194819.28778@abo.fi> CBURMAN@finabo.abo.fi () writes:

>In <1992Oct12.162015.15229@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>> In article <FISCHER.92Oct11195451@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>> >
>> >Tomas> We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of
>> >Tomas> porridge ...
>>
>> But perfectly sober Danes still speak like they had 
>> porridge in their mouth. 

>Er, 'porridge'? Is this some kind of a joke? EVERYBODY knows that Danes 
>speak as if they had HOT POTATOES in their mouth. (Porridge...sheesh!)

>I mean, hey, let's be precise in our use of technical vocabulary.

C'mon...  Danish is in fact the most beautiful language in the world.
Swedes just have this big-brother attitude towards Denmark.  Denmark
certainly has great beer, therefore the swedes can't allow any beer at
all.  Most swedes can't speak at all...I mean, why is it that every time
a swedish foreign minister, or say the king, makes a statement in
English, that everyone blushes?
As for finnish, I wouldn't consider that noise they make in Finland a
language.
-- 
Kre H. Pettersson   +46 60 157026   tomten@solace.hsh.se    Different.
From: blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Norway losing Freia
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:49:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bw0s65.1n4.1
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I have read recently that Philip-Morris, the huge US tobacco firm, is
planning on buying (or has bought) Freia-Maribou, the best chocolate company
in the universe.  The shareholders have apparently voted to allow more than
1/3 foreign ownership of Freia.  This is a far more important loss of
culture for Norway than the final resolution of the interminable airport
discussion.

I have heard that they are planning on closing some of the Norwegian plants
and moving down to the continent.  In addition to the loss of jobs in
Norway, this will (IMHO) inevitably lead to a loss in quality, since they
will no longer be using Norwegian dairy products for production.  I am not
just being provincial (how could I?)--as a milk, yogurt and chocolate lover,
I have found Norwegian dairy products to be far superior to American and
European products.

Anybody who understands chocolate, and Norwegian chocolate in particular,
will mourn this development.  Time to stock up on Melkesjokolade and Smil, I
guess.

	Bruce  (whose Canadian girlfriend just brought back 5kg of Norwegian
		chocolate from Oslo)
-- 
Bruce Horn, Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science
uucp: ...!seismo!cmucspt!cmu-cs!blh
ARPA: Bruce.Horn@cs.cmu.edu
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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Denmark
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:20:15 GMT

In article <FISCHER.92Oct11195451@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>
>Tomas> We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of
>Tomas> porridge (*) so perhaps he just had a hard time distinguishing
>Tomas> between "ayrian" and "ayrab". :-) 
>
>Just as s Swede talks just like he just had 6 Carlsberg Elephant. In
>fact I would believe that the Carsberg's might affect the ability to
>understand what people say rather much. Do you believe that all Danes
>look sort of blurred, too?

No, not blurred, but there are usually two or three of them, looking 
exactly the same, side by side... :-)

The fact that most Swedes, especially younger ones, are totally pissed 
when they're in Denmark is somewhat sad, since they tend to behave 
less-than-perfect. But perfectly sober Danes still speak like they had 
porridge in their mouth. Norweigans are usually much easier to 
understand than Danes, but I've had some problems with Bergense dialect; 
I had to ask one person speaking this variety of Norweigan who visited 
our department to speak English instead, so I could understand her...

"Spotta ut gr|ten!" :-)

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
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From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:28:57 GMT

euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:

>Hallvard The Horrible writes:
>>Markku Sakkinen writes:
>> |>Kent Sandvik writes:
>>|> > Vestkusten, the
>>|> > magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
>>|> So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!
>>	"Vest-kysten"
>>	Vestkusten sound swedish to me..

>That's because you're Norwegian. Sounds Russian to me...

What!!!!
Do you actually mean that the word Vest is nowadays a legitimit(sp?)
word in Russian vocabulary?????



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From: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard The Horrible)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Reply-To: hallvard@immhp1.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Organization: Division of Marine Engineering
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.122831.29054@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:
|> Hallvard The Horrible writes:
|> >Markku Sakkinen writes:
|> > |>Kent Sandvik writes:
|> >|> > Vestkusten, the
|> >|> > magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
|> >|> So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!
|> >	"Vest-kysten"
|> >	Vestkusten sound swedish to me..
|> 
|> That's because you're Norwegian. Sounds Russian to me...
|> 

	Well. It's *not* norwegian anyway.
(Probably swedish-american, like the norwegian "Snow-queen getost"
when in norwegian we write "geit-ost".)

	Hallvard The Horrible
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From: tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi (Marko Tenkanen)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi (Marko Tenkanen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:50:21 GMT

In article <BJORN.B.LARSEN.92Oct7104009@engels.delab.sintef.no> bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.221319.27057@nntp.hut.fi> tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi
>(Marko Tenkanen) writes:
>
>> [ ... ]
>
>> Our religion is more liberal in those things than Islam. It is not a death
>> sin to convert to Islam from protestant religion. (no flames,please!)
>
>> [ ... ]
>
>I do not know too much about Islam, but I know the basics of
>Christianity, and I can assure you that you are wrong!! Our religion
>may be more "liberal" in the sense that women are regarded equal to
>men, but not if you talk about conversion. The basic of Christianity

I have never heard that it is a death-sin in protestant religion to 
convert to another religion. I have just heard that it is in Islam.
Maybe I should buy the Bible and the Koran. :-) 

>
>Bj{\o}rn




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From: Stein J|rgen Rypern <steinry@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Norway loses important part of culture
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:02:56 GMT
Originator: steinry@svarte.ifi.uio.no


  It is with great regret I have to tell you that we yesterday, october 10th
1992, at approximately 10pm, lost an important part of our cultural heritage -
"the great main airport debate (tm)".

  In a totally unexpected bout of reason, the main political parties agreed
upon actually building a new main airport for Norway at gardermoen, some
45 - 50 km NE of Oslo, and thus concluded a 23 year long period of debate,
decisions, changes, quick-working commitees, slower-working-commitees and
really-slow-working commitees (*1), more debate, claims of falsification
of meteorological data (*2), etc, etc.

  Even more shocking is the decission to place the airport at a reasonably
flat piece of land, instead of leveling two hills, and filling the valley
in between with the rocks.

  But before despairing at the thought of our great cultural loss : 
remember that our parliament, Stortinget, actually did decide on building
the main airport on the two hills of Hurum some few years back, but that 
this decission was skillfully destroyed by more or less correct fog data
from the meteorological people. If only somebody could discover that Garder-
moen is the only habitat in europe for the empty-headed feathered politician,
thus delaying the construction of the airport for enviromental reasons, and
giving us all another chance at 20 more years of happy indecision.

(*1) - a norwegian concept, developed specially for this cause, at great cost
       dealer inquiries welcome.
(*2) - according to some sceptics, the fog was nothing but Vaseline(tm) 
       smeared over the lenses of the fog-measuring devices. If this is 
       truly the case, this is new use for this product, which usually
       is used on the rear end of babies.

 Smile,

  /Stein

==========================================================================
Stein Rypern, student      ! A united europe ?  
Department of informatics  ! Sure, but why think small ?
University of Oslo, Norway ! How about an intergalatic empire ? 
steinry@ifi.uio.no         ! Need even longer question to insert here ....  
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From: leeu@nobeltech.se (Leif Euren)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian music
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:39:02 GMT

Steinar Haug's list of record by Folk och Rackare was almost complete;
it lacked just their latest recording.

Another group I'd recommend is Hedningarna.  I visited a consert (sort
of) of theirs in Stockholm this monday (oct 5), and they are totally
unbeleivable. Or what would you say of distorted lute, electrical key-harp,
electrical hurdy-gurdy, road-rod-flute and amplified coffee-grinder(!).
Their tunes are of the folk-music tradition (either really traditional
or newly written), but the sound is modern.

Artist			Title			Year	Reference

Folk och Rackare	Rackbag			1984	AMALTHEA AM-53
Hedningarna		kaksi!			1992	SILENCE SRSCD-4717

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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:43:18 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Bertil" == Bertil Jonell (d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se)

Bertil> Denmark is a funny country.

Sure. Vikings have more fun and all that.

Bertil>   There is a Danish communist that lives in a
Bertil> multi-mega-kroner seaside villa by the O"resund.

Not very remarkable -- just ask the French. Just as you don't have to
be rich to be a conservative, you don't have to be pure to be a
communist or a socialist.

Bertil> There is a Danish nazi that has divorced his wife to marry a
Bertil> palestinian refugee.

And a leader of a nazi organization at that. I'm not sure she's a
refugee, though. He claims she's a "white Arab" (whatever that means
-- no reason to try to understand these guys "logic") but he's being
excluded from his organization nevertheless.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Re: Denmark
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:37:33 GMT

tomas_e@NMRVAX.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:

>We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of porridge (*)

>(*) If I'm not mistaken, Danes from Bornholm speak like they just had 
>their mouth half-full of porridge.

>Tomas

No, the difference is not in the amount of porridge (or warm potatoes).
The Bornholmers speak like they are trying to _sing_ with a mouth full of
[insert speech-impeding foodstuff of your choice].  

= Bryan

--
>>> Bryan Stack, Government Documents Librarian, University Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha NE 68182-0237 USA
Email: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu   Phone: 402-554-3258   FAX: 402-554-3215
         One of these days I'm going to stop procrastinating.
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From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:24:42 GMT

Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) writes:
: In article <1992Oct6.221319.27057@nntp.hut.fi> tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi
: (Marko Tenkanen) writes:
: 
: > [ ... ]
: 
: > Our religion is more liberal in those things than Islam. It is not a death
: > sin to convert to Islam from protestant religion. (no flames,please!)
: 
: > [ ... ]
: 
: I do not know too much about Islam, but I know the basics of
: Christianity, and I can assure you that you are wrong!! Our religion
: may be more "liberal" in the sense that women are regarded equal to
: men, but not if you talk about conversion. The basic of Christianity
: is that Jesus died and rose again to save all human beeings who want
: to be saved. From this follows that there is only one way to be saved,
: and that is through Jesus Christ! If you leave Christianity for Islam,
: you also leave that possibility for salvation behind!
: 
: Remember that living in a Scandinavian, or so called "christian"
: country does not imply that you are a christian. That is a choise of
: your own, and I would guess that most of the people who convert to
: Islam have never been christian.

I think the point is that the women convert into the Islam and not
the men in Scandinavia. That means the ladies are not so religious than
men over here? Does it means that speaking of liberation and doing
things are too separeated things. Just knowing the facts make me to
be quite a suspect when a lady, from the academical circles speak
about libaration of the women and knowing that her sisters who do not
attend the seminars convert into the Islam. 
I call it voting by the feet. I think the converts are mostly ladies
as well as in Sweden and Norway. And they are very feminist countries
basically in their values. The ladies, some of them, are tired of
their "velour fathers" and the men who just follow aside 
how the women carry out  "the equalism" between the sexes are afraid of saying
that does not good for the you.
Jarmo
From: si0_ab90038@debet.nhh.no (Audun Bringsvor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Freia Going to the Continent...
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:10:28 MET
Organization: Norwegian School of Economics


FREIA'S INTERNATIONALIZATION...

I have followed the discussion on Freia up till now, and I have to agree
that selling out Freia is not the easiest thing we have done up here.
However, I think we are doing the right thing.

One thing I have noticed in the public debate, is a fear that Freia
chocolate may be produced outside of Norway. This is seen as one of the
main reasons why we should stop any US-big-bucks takeover.

FACT: Last year, long before the Board had heard anything from neither
Philip Morris nor Hearshey, they decided to set up a factory for
supplying the Continental market. (I think this was in Belgium, and
I am 99% certain that the day of starting construction has been set).

This means that seeing some of our beloved chocolate being produced
abroad may not be so bad after all. And that we shouldn't mind Philip
Morris setting up plants all over Europe - as long as the Norwegian
plant isn't closed down.

In my opinion, nobody will wish to close down anything in Norway in the
near future. It is here we have the technology, the know-how, the
tradition and the dairy products that we make our chocolate from. A
strict businesswise analysis would probably say that it does not save
much money to move production to Portugal - at least not as long as the
effect that would have on the Norwegian market is unknown!!!

Well, what is done is done. Let us just hope that Philip Morris' taking
over enables Freia to penetrate the markets in Europe (and the US?) by
means of General Kraft's established channels and financial backing, and
that the Norwegian subsidiary called Freia will grow and prosper as a
concequence of this!

With optimism,

   Audun Bringsvor
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:28:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Oct15.080921.4041@jyu.fi>, sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku
Sakkinen) wrote:
> In article <ksand-091092102039@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
> >Hi, took some time before I got the latest number of Vestkusten, the
> >magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
> > ...

> So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!

Frankly speaking I don't know why they misspelled Vestkusten
(instead of V}stkusten). Anyway, I'm just a happy subscriber.

Kent
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