From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Ruby's alibi around the time of the assassination
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:14:34 GMT

Tony Simon > & >>>
Bruce Schuck >>>> & >>

>>>>There were witnesses who saw Oswald other than on 6th floor before and
>>>>after the assassination.
>> 
>>>There is only one witness that you provided and she was uncertain of the time.
>> 
>>She was *very* certain of the time. 12:15.
>> 

>However, if we believe Roffman, then she claimed it was 12:25. Do you state
>that Roffman is incorrect? He did say it was her statement in her own words.
>If she later stated to Summers it was 12:15, then she gives conflicting
>testemony and therefore, she is not certain as to the time.

We've been over this and you already know the answer, but I'll give
it again.

Roffman was using an FBI Report of their interview with Carolyn
Arnold. The Warren Commission did not get Mrs. Arnold to testify, so
we don't have her *unfiltered* testimony until Summers was researching
his book "Conspiracy".
W
hen Anthony Summers showed Mrs. Arnold her FBI *testimony* she said
they had completely misquoted her. I believe *her* because the FBI has
been proven to have destroyed and altered evidence in the JFK
assassination. 

Mrs. Arnold said she saw Oswald at 12:15. ANd she is *very* certain.

>>>>However, there *were* witnesses who saw Ruby in Dealey Plaza when he
>>>>was supposed to be at the Dallas Morning News.

>>The Police Officer who ran to the top of the grassy knoll said the man
>>who had Fake SS id looked like Ruby.
>> 
>>Victoria Adams, a TSBD employee, said Ruby was outside the TSBD immediately
>>after the assassination questioning some of the witnesses.
>>

>As someone already stated, these two statements puts Ruby in 
>two places at once,

No it doesn't. If you had a map of Dealey Plaza, you would know they
are less than 100 yds apart. Since Victoria Adams probably took at
least one minute to get to the steps of the TSBD, it would be easy for
Ruby to play the SS man and then play a cop to dig for information on
who saw what outside the TSBD a minute later.

>>From Warren Commission Hearings Vol. 6 pp 386-393:
>> 
>>Miss Adams: There was a man that was standing on the corner of Houston
>>            and Elm asking questions there. He was dressed in a suit and a hat,
>>            and when I encountered Avery Davis going down, we asked who he was,
>>            because he was questioning people as if he was a police
>>            officer....and this man was asking questions very
>>            effaciously  and we said, "I guess
>>            he may be a reporter," and later on on television, 
>>            there was a man that looked very similar to him, 
>>            and he was identified as Ruby.
>> 

>Ruby is not a very distinguishable person and saying that someone looked like
>him, doesn't make it him.

Ruby's face and hat are *very* distinguishable.

> I want some evidence that someone who knew him had
>seen him there.

Of course you do. Your standard of evidence changes depending on
whether it was Oswald or Ruby. 

For Ruby you want someone who knows him to have seen him in Dealey
Plaza. You know , if the Criminal Justice System required that witnesses
knew the criminal before they saw him commit the crime, the prisons
would be empty. :)

As I've said before, there were witnesses who saw Ruby in Dealey Plaza
when he claims [with no corroboration] to be somewhere else.

*Nobody* saw Oswald on the 6th floor after 11:55.
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