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>navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy 'Pinhead' Navarre) writes:
>>cheng@jackal.metaphor.com (Chun Cheng) writes:
>>>Reading the scoring column, I saw C. J. scored over 30 pts in the first 2
>>>games.  I wonder if he has regained his shot or it is just a fluke.
>
>>Who said he ever lost it? Could it be the current coach has something to
>>do with CJ being given the playing time he needs to get in a groove and
>>having a supportive, encouraging Isil behind him?? I think so. CJ never
>>lost his shot.  At LSU I always thought his performance matched his mood.
>>That may not be the best thing, but its the way I think he is.
>
>You're probably right, Roy (it pains me to say that), CJ never really lost
>his shot.  What he lost was sight of his feet as his waistline expanded the
>past two years.
>
>And yes, it could be that the new coach (Dan Issel) has something to do
>with it.  It could also be that after ballooning to 194lbs., CJ decided
>that, being in the crucial year of his contract, and having nothing to
>show for his first two years, he'd better do something about it.  He lost
>weight to about 165lbs, his playing weight at LSU.  This relieved stress
>problems with his feet, and encouragement from Issel helped him get his
>mental confidence back.  Clearly he is happier and his play shows it.
>Being at his "ideal" weight also helps alot.
>
>>   Anyway, I'm delighted to see him of to such a great start!!! I have been
>>in more than one argument on this net deffending CJ against people who
>>said he was a wasted pick etc etc etc.
>
>For two years, he was a wasted pick.  He did nothing for two years to 
>warrant his #3 selection or his salary.  That is obviously changing, and
>as we've said, alot of factors are involved (maturity as well -- he'd be a
>rookie now if he'd stayed at LSU).  He's also being allowed to look for his
>shot much more, even though these first two games he played the point and
>was abused down low on defense by Lloyd Daniels and Terry Porter (especially
>Daniels).  When Mark Macon returns, Macon will play the point on offense
>and let CJ concentrate on scoring, and on defense their roles will reverse.
>
>It's obvious that CJ can score alot, and is able to get off his shot from
>the outside with excellent range, and he's driving to the basket for layups
>or passes to guys for dunks.  His 'game' has returned, and it's nice to see
>that.

Although no one would like to see CJ finally raise his game to the level
many expected, I would like to caution that the season is not even a
week old.  We should revist this topic after more games are played.  Then
we'll really have an idea as to the kind of season CJ will have.

>--
>Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
>----------

GregB
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: RE: Magic Retires?
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:52:44 GMT
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC

In article <1d9n2cINNm7n@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
>In article <92309.145048JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu> <JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|
>|  [a whole bunch of crap]
>|
>|                                                               -jim b
>
>Jim -
>
>When you're a bit older, maybe you'll have opinions based upon
>	Bob S.
>
>
>

	Greetings,

	That`s the wonderful thing about being 19, you really
don't realize how much you don`t know about life.
	
			Carter



--
"Why, have you never noticed that opinion without knowledge is
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holds true a belief without intelligence is just like a blind
man who happens to take the right road, isn`t he?"  Socrates
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From: stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Stephen P. Twombly)
Subject: Score??
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:49:28 GMT



Anyone have a score for the Celtics-Hornets game?????

*STEVE*
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From: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix dominates Jazz in Delta Center
Reply-To: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:51:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.032510.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
        .
        .
        .
>QUESTIONS I WANT ANSWERS TO:
>
>Does anyone in the NBA wear a mouthguard?
>

    Robert Parish and Oliver Miller come to mind immediately.

                        Camden "Snake-Oil" Parks
                        parks@jbh.chem.brandeis.edu
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Rookies in first games
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:21:39 GMT

In article <1dudj8INN6j5@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>After winning in Dallas last night, the Bucks are 3-1 for the year. Is anybody
>else surprised so far? Does anybody else who might have seen them have comments
>on their play so far?

I haven't seen them play this season, but if I'm not mistaken the Bucks
started quickly last year and ended up not doing so well.  I know this
is almost a completely new team, I'm just saying it's still very early.
From: terry@belridge.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Money
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:01:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: belridge.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov6.191413.18245@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>According to UPI, Doug Christie and the Sonics are just not agreeing
>on anything.  He wanted $800K/yr, they offered him $500K.  Now they
>say they will only pay him the minimum $190K.  He says if so he'll
>just go back to school (and, I assume, wait for next year's draft).
>
>Meanwhile, the Warriors cut Tom Tolbert but (according to the SF
>Chron) he is still going to collect on his GUARANTEED contract.  Two
>years at $600K/yr.  After he clears waivers, any team can pick him up
>and pay him the minimum $140K/yr, and the Warriors still cough up the
>slack.
>
>
>* Note the two different sums that are cited as "minimum".  I assume
>that there's a different minimum for first round picks.
>
>* Seattle offered their 1st round pick, #17 overall, less money than
>the Warriors are paying Tolbert -- a #34 pick four years ago, who last
>year averaged less than 9 minutes in 35 games.  So who's crazy here?
>Are the Warriors paying outrageously for Tolbert, or are the Sonics
>making an unreasonably low offer to Christie?
>

The Warriors probably did overpay for Tolbert's services.  However,
it is unfair to judge him on his last year's performance.
Tolbert signed his current 4 year $600K/yr contract after 89-90 season
in which he played 70 games, averaging 19.2 mpg, 8.8 ppg, and 5.2 rpg -
quite respectable numbers for which $600K is not out of line.  He
was and is a favorite of Nelson's because of his hustling style.

Seattle is being ridiculous in their dealings with Christie and
never made a serious attempt to sign him.  Seattle drafted him #17.
Don McLean was drafted #19 and was reported to receive a 5 year, $4.5M
contract from the Bullets.  Even the #27 pick, Byron Houston, was
reported to receive over $500K from the Bulls.  Relative to
what other draft picks received this year and last year, the
Sonics were offering way below market value for a #17 pick.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Knicks Roster
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:15:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Nov6.151553.5683
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Nov4.132727@is.morgan.com> antab@is.morgan.com (Anthony Abenante) writes:
>
>The Knicks have made their final cuts, and suprisingly, Bo Kimble beat 
>the odds, and made the team. Greg Butler and Lewis Geter were waived 

This is really a surprise considering the fact that I didn`t see
where anyone on the net thought he would make the team. 

>Anthony
> 

Frank
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Lakers  opening night
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:47:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.025225.14804@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:

>
>6.  Overtime win on the road should be a great confidence boost for the team's
>first game.  So much for the shift in the balance of power in LA b-ball.
>

I'd be awfully embarrased as a Lakers fan if I were actually debating
whether or not the Clippers or Lakers were the tops in LA.  I mean, 
what's it worth?  A question as to whether either team finishes  
fifth or sixth in the Pacific?

Geez!  These rabid Laker fans realy get to me.

Scott
From: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Subject: Re: Magic retires?
Reply-To: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:37:20 GMT

-In article <Bx47wv.Hnr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bsmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Barry -Smith) writes:
-|> In article <92307.160410JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu> JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
-|> >
-|> > -______________________________________________________________________________
-|> >                                |     |
-|> >                              ***********
-|> >                              *         *
-|> >                              * johnson *
-|> >                              *   3 2   *
-|> >                              *         *
-|> >                              ***********
-|> >
-|> >
-|> >
-|> >   Hopefully, they won't have to retire it again!  I'm glad he's gone!
-|> >
-|> >             ***********************************************
-|> >             * PSU-Hazleton  |  Go Duke!   |   Jim Bonczek *
-|> >             * PSUVM         | The U of NC |        JJB146 *
-|> >             ************  Krzyzewsky for Prez  ************
-|> 
-|> I think this is a fine example of an IDIOT being allowed to post to the net.
-|> Unsubstantiated comments, especially of this nature, are not welcome.  There
-|> probably isn't a person alive that doesn't agree that Magic is one of the
-|> best players ever and one of the best for the game of basketball.  Also,|> -saying -- without reason -- that you are glad he is gone is sad (especially
-|> if it has to do with AIDS).  You'll probably vote for Bush ...

-Now this is an insult to all republicans. I am not a US citizent, but I'd
-vote for Bush without a second thought. Doesn't mean I'd make such a comment
-about Magic, even though it does make sence. This event obviously has 
                                        
-it upsided, it clears the controversy and prevent NBA to resembly WWF
-( I really liked this comparison, when issues of Kareem and Magic un-retiring
-were discussed ). 

Thank heaven that there are more restrictions on voting than on posting to 
the net. I can see that his political thought processes are on a par with 
his typing/spelling. Even true conservatives like G. Will and W. Safire
couldn't support Bush. Of course that didn't affect his support from people
of such well known intellect and tolerance as
Pat Robertson et al. If Clinton and the Dem's screw up worse than Bush
did then we can vote them out in four years. Tribe and Cuomo for supreme court!
Can you imagine Clarence Thomas trying to argue with either of these two?
Kinda like the Dreamers vs Angola (:-)
On a more cheerful note the season starts tomorrow and with the election over
and done with we can all talk trash about more enjoyable things than politics
(:-)...obviously this is just my two cents worth and probably isn't even
worth that.
-jim
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Blazers defeat Phoenix in road opener
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:44:11 GMT

f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

> . . . One should realize that Knight, no matter how highly
>we praise him, was still a 2nd-rounder.  All-Star quality is distinctly
>lacking when you go that low (yes, Sedale Threatt lovers, he is one in
>a million, but he's at best an average starter). . . .

You've GOT to be kidding when you stats that All-Star quality
is distinctly lacking when you go beyond the first round.

Terry Porter of the Blazers is NOT All-Star quality?  Dee Brown of
the Celtics could not be considered All-Star quality?  Okay, maybe
Dee Brown is a notch down, but not that far down.  I'll grant you
that most if not all of the All-Stars playing in the All-Star
games are 1st-rounders, but I don't take anything away from those
who are selected in the 2nd or later rounds.

allen
From: ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lakers
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:53:14 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu


    Thoughts on the Lakers:

     1)Sedale is simply playing too many minutes, about 40+ minutes a
       game.  The Lakers have a credible pair of point guards(Smith,
       and Cooper), why don't they use them more, as Sedale will not
      be the PG of the future.

    2)What is wrong with Pfund?  Peeler has been playing great basketball
      and yet he only gets about 15 minutes a night.  Let Scott take
      a rest and play this guy about 25+ minutes.  He makes things happen
      and could easily become a 20 pt scorer if given the minutes.
      Donn't waste the talent?  Although I can see how they might want
      to bring him around slowly, but this is too slow.  He adds excitement
      to a stagnant and often boring offense.

    3)The frontcourt is playing too may minutes. The way they are going,
      they'll run out of gas if they make the playoffs.  Edwards is not
      playing much and it doesn't seem that the bench is contributing
     anything.

    4) Vlade better get is act together.  A strong effort by him every
       game could change the complexion of the game because he can do so
        may things.  Definitely disappointed in his performance so far.

   5)Seems like the Lakers are reverting back to last year, when they
     have again a low FG percentage and the 3-point shooting is 
     horrendous.  Seriously, we might not make the playoffs, but
    I think in due time , this team might come around .


              ---GO LAKERS----
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:53:15 GMT
Keywords: n


>In article <BxIov0.6H8@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
>chu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93_CBR900RR) writes:
> 
>...
>>Also, u gotta love then end off the commercial when one of the basketball
>>monks asks "But...what if we're bad" and the P.M. Dawn lead singer responds
>>
>>
>>                        THEN YOU GO TO DETROIT...
>>
>>sorry...i thought it was funny
> 
>Almost as funny as it will be when the Bulls don't threepeat.
> 
>There's a chart in today's Detroit News that shows the records of the Bulls
>and Pistons for the last 10 seasons. Pistons were in 1st place 3 times, the
>Bulls only twice. Pistons were in second 4 times, the Bulls only twice.
>But the Bulls were in 4th or 5th 5 times, Detroit were never below 3rd
>in the last 10 seasons.
> 
>>eric   :)
> 
>--Eric ;-)

Sorry, Eric, but after this year...the theory about Detroit never being lower
than third will be out the window also!!!!!!

Chris....

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From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: New Uniforms
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:09:13 GMT


The Suns' new uniforms aren't that bad.  They're not as nice as the old ones,
but their far from Philly's and New Jersey's tacky entries.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:49:26 GMT
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath

ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>
>    Thoughts on the Lakers:
>[good comments deleted]
>     [...]Seriously, we might not make the playoffs, but
>    I think in due time , this team might come around .


It's time for the T word. Trade, a big one, and soon.  We have
too many veterans and it's no fun being heavy and slow if you're
not winning games.

I'd love to move Perkins for a couple of young forwards, but I
don't see who.  But what about James Edwards to Seattle for the
rights to Doug Christie?


--Gidi	(lakers in three)
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dennis "Hip" Hopson
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:47:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:

>I was looking over the Sacramento roster(had to figure why they went 3-0)
>and couldn't find my man Dennis Hopson. Is he injured or something?
>He had a very productive year coming off the pine for the Kings last year
>and the Kings can get much better once Hopson returns(if he's injured).
>If you know the story behind this, post it up. thanx.

	Hopson was released by the Kings even before the preseason
	started.  He was a free agent, and the Kings didn't want to
	pay his million+ salary.

	Jazzy J
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix beat Clippers in season opener
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:30:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.231508.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>11/7/92
>LA Clippers (0-1) at Phoenix Suns (0-0)
>FINAL: Suns 111, Clippers 105
>
>SETTING:
>
>This was the first ever regular season game at Phoenix's new America 
>West Arena, and so they had to delay the game with some pre-game 
>ceremonies.  Jerry Colangelo honored 4 famous Suns of the past: Connie 
>Hawkins (only Sun in the NBA Hall Of Fame), Dick Van Arsdale, Alvan 
>Adams, and current coach Paul Westphal.  19,000+ attended, a sellout.  
>The Suns unoriginally lifted the Bulls' introduction style (even the 
>Alan Parsons music) for announcing their starting lineup.

     Interesting.  The Clippers did the exact same thing for their
home opener against the Lakers:  lights off, spotlights, also in  
addition to introducing each player and  number and position, they
gave the entire life history of each player so it took forever to
get through the intros.
      I guess teams figure that emulating the Bulls is the way to go,
right down to the intros.  For the Bulls, who as far as I know
originated it, it works.  For anybody else, it's mere imitation.
     BTW, I know the Bulls were doing these "lights out" intros as
far back as 1979.  Anybody know when they started it?

>FOUL TROUBLE: Manning.

     He fouled out of his first game too.  He may need to adjust
somehow, the Clips can't afford to have their best player always
in foul trouble.

>QUESTIONS I WANT ANSWERS TO:
>
>LA's Jarrin [sp] Jackson (6-6 rookie, Georgetown): Is he any good?

     I think it's Jaren.  I know almost nothing about him.
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From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: help me please
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:50:00 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Can someone please post the scores from opening night?  I thought that they 
would be here by now.  I see some box scores, but I don't all the final scores.
C'mon guys, this is opening night.  I figured that there would be at least
10 postings about the final scores.  Thanks!!






-- 
Brian T Odom
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE: Nuggets 125  Spurs 121  Nov.07.92
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: MIGHTY NUGGETS win first game for The Horse, DT
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:51:00 GMT



dickeyd@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (daniel l dickey ) writes:
>I was wonderin', how does Bryant Stith look (I saw his boxscore).  Is he
>going to get alot of playing time?  Can we expect 15 points a game this
>year?

Bryant Stith looks extremely comfortable in the MIGHTY NUGGETS passing
game, he clearly has a good feel for it.  He moves well offensively and
passes the ball well too.  So far he's taken the ball strong to the
basket to draw fouls and has shown range up to 22' (don't think he's
attempted a 3ptr yet).  15 ppg may be a bit much to ask, but he'll get
20+ minutes a night (remember Macon is not yet playing) and do fine.

Defensively he was kinda abused in the preseason, but so far he's looked
good.  Against San Antonio he had two nice weakside steals late in the
game, and played tough on Dale Ellis, forcing him further and further
from the basket (like it mattered to Ellis).  He continued to play well
against Portland on the defensive end.  He can play physically due to
his big body, and rebounds well from the guard spot.

Stith will do well this year, play a fair amount, and contribute.  Look
out for LaPhonso Ellis too.  He's started off very well.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Blazer fortunes
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:13:11 GMT

In article <96328@netnews.upenn.edu> liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang) writes:
>
>  I haven't been reading this newsgroup for a while, but I know there
>must be a million and one pre-season predictions by now.  I too have a
>prediction:
>
>  I prayed to God that I'd rather see the Blazers go 0-82 than have
>another four years of George Bush in the white house.  So don't be
>surprised if the Blazers stink up the joint this year.

I think we'll see this one on the ballot as Anti-Woof of the Year.

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