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From: chamberk@ucs.orst.edu (Kevin Chambers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: "Ms" Mag Trashes Peru's Communists
Date: 27 Dec 92 07:03:11 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
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In article <8227@news.duke.edu> dgt@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Eduardo Gonzalez) writes:
>This the second time I have seen  Sendero propaganda being posted in our
                                                                      ^^^
>newsgroup.  I thought the first article was some kind of fluke, that postings
>of this type would begin and end with that first article.  Well, I have been
>proven wrong.  THIS IS NOT A PROPAGANDA NEWSGROUP!!.  I do not want
>any of this material posted in here. This is no place for extremist, terrorists
>and their sympathisers to spread their hate messages.  I invite the netters
>to openly express their rejection to the violence that Sendero and their
>toadies in the USA advocate.   
>-- 
>Dinko Gonzalez Trotter
>dgt@phy.duke.edu

Well I for one express my full support of Maoists putting things on the net.
I'm quite curious about what these people's views, wether they be "hate"
messages or not.  If these views are not worth the bandwidth they're sent
on, then people will judge that for themselves.  This is a newsgroup
dealing with Latin America, and as we all know, there are Maoists in Latin
America.  "Our" newsgroup is not exclusive, luckily.

Kevin Chambers
chamberk@ucs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: 002564r@axe.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
Subject: Re: Movimiento internacional Maoista(in spanish)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:20:52 GMT

In article <002564r.44.725126355@axe.acadiau.ca> 002564r@axe.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL) writes:
>From: 002564r@axe.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
>Subject: Movimiento internacional Maoista
>Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:59:15 GMT



>I saw the last two posting of the Maoist International Movement,
>or something like that, I think they have the right of posting here.
>But we should be very carefully since its principle party  the PCP (partido 
>comunista del Peru) most  known as "shining path", owe Peru 25000 
>lives, is in no way democratic.Shining Path think that they are the only 
>way for the revolution so if somebody else is in disagreement with them 
>they must be an agent of the CIA.They think that violence is the only way if 
>a priest, a sister, a pastor an agent of peace, a popular leader etc teaches 
>that there is a different way to get progress they Kill him/her. Actually 
>they've been doing that for the last 13 years. 
>curiosly they not only kill people(citizens or peasants) who belive in 
>peace they also kill leftist who believe in revolution or violence but think 
>that shining Path is in the wrong way.



olvide la traduccion por si no fui claro en ingles


He visto los dos ultimos posters del Movimiento internacional Maoista o algo 
asi. Creo que tienen todo el derecho de escribir aqui.
Pero deberiamos tener cuidado puesto que su principal afiliado el PCP  
(Partido Comunista del Peru) mas conocido como sendero luminoso , que ya 
debe al Peru mas de 25000 vidas, no es bajo ninguna forma democratico. 
sendero luminoso cree que ellos son la unica via para la revolucion es decir 
si alguien esta en desacuerdo es porque es un agente de la CIA. ellos cren 
que la violencia es el unico camino y si es que un sacerdote, una monja, un 
pastor, un agente de paz, o un lider popular afirma que hay otros medios de 
lograr el progreso ellos lo asesinan. Esto es lo que vienen haciendo en los 
ultimos trece a~os.
Curisamente ellos no solo asesinan gente (sean citalinos o campesinos) que 
creen en la paz, si no tambien izquierdistas que creen en la revolucion o la 
violencia pero piensan que sendero equivoco el camino

                                       Ricardo
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Fosforecente II
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:10:49 GMT
Followup-To: Fosforecente II
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



Hace unas semanas que todos los noticieros estaban de luto por la muerte de
Superman. Pero porque preocuparse si tenemos a alguien mejor que Clark Kent para
defendernos y con mas inteligencia que Lex Luthor. Si amigos me refiero al 
paladin de la justicia el anti-commie Edelmiro!!!! Su arma mas mortifera sus
palabras!!!! Son mas veloces que un avion, mas ruidosas que una locomotora y tan
absurdas como una bala en las manos de un ni~o. Porque preocuparse por la perdida
de Superman si tenemos a nuestro paladin para defendernos. El y su unica abilidad 
de distorcinar las palabras e identificar comunistas donde no los hay. El ultimo
genio de este planeta aunque sus ideas lo presenten como un lunatico. Y lo mas 
sorprendente de todo es su traje fosforecente. Si el mismo traje adoptado por 
algunos de sus colegas asi todos podemos apreciar sus maravillosas ideas.
Aqui somos privilegiados en tener a alguien con tanto conocimiento. Es un superheroe en todos los aspectos. Gracias a el se que todas las republicas del 
mundo con excepcionb de usa, digo EEUU, son bananeras y que los aliados 
economicos de usa, digo EEUU, Canada y Mexico son los mayores respaldadores de 
Castro. Claro que esta dicotomia politica solo puede hacer sentido en un cerebro 
tan maravilloso como el de Brainiac. Que se muera Batman y la pobre Mafaldita si 
nos podemos quedar con el Capitan Fosforecente EDELMIRO!!!! Si fosforecente 
porque hasta en la obscuridad podemos notar la mierda que habla. Es el unico ser
en este planeta que conoce a fondo la politica externa de toda nacion en el mundo
a un lado el Chapulin Colorado o Capulina. Condorito esta tembloroso y la magia
de Anacleto y Hermelinda esta agotada pues el Vengador Fosforecente ha llegado.

Jose F. Otero
DonQ@acs.bu.edu



PD: Se me olvidaba Edelmiro ya que te gusta investigar los cojones ajenos porque 
no tratas de localizar los tuyos al momento de escribir en las redes. Aqui dices 
una cosa y en Boriken dices otra. Alli niegas haberme llamado comunista y aqui lo 
juras y perjuras. Dejate de hipocresias. Deja de hablar mierda y limitate a 
contestar utilizando datos documentados al contestar las preguntas que se hacen 
en la red. O es que es cierto lo que han escrito que sufres de personalidad 
multiple y la mierda que escribe el Edelmiro diurno contradice la del nocturno???
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Peru
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:26:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Dec28.184615.6898@nntpserver.chevron.com> hcrms@usmi03.midland.chevron.com (Mitchell S. Craig) writes:
>Oyi' en el radio (National Public Radio) esta man~ana (28 Dic) que
>en Lima ayer hubo una bomba en un carro al frente de la embajada 
>estadounidense. Hay dos muertos y ~40 heridos.
>
>                   Mitchell Craig

Mitchell,

This is simply part of the promised "blood quota" of 2 million peruvian deaths
that must take place in Peru before primitive socialism a la Campuchea is
firmly established by our moists friends in the newsgroup.  Do not bother
to condemn this for you  will immediately be catalogued as a "cretin" sympathi-
er of the "bourgeoise" and become a candidate for execution. Instead, write a
letter to your local congressman askin that he demand of US immigration that
all Sendero simpathizers in this country who are not U.S. citizens be deported
immediately  to El Peru so that they can continue their heroic struggle down
there, and we are left only with their "international" buffoons.

Edelmiro

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: 002564r@axe.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
Subject: Re: Mafalda y Unif (para el que escribio en anglo)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:41:59 GMT





I'm agree with all your coments regarding Mafalda, (She is my hero) and in 
another article I explained that Quino decided not to write Mafalda 
again but it was his own decition and it was just to stop writing it, 
not to kill her or something else.so please stop thinking that she was 
Killed or she is dead , Quino hasn't been  thinking to write Mafalda 
again but he thinks she has her own life now.
Regarding The use of the Uniformas . there wasn't exactly a 
poster critizaing the use of uniforms, It was sombody from a differnt 
continent (I guess) asking how the use of uniforms is here in Lat.Americ and 
some of us were comenting about that until some body else thought that 
discussing uniforms and Mafalda were a wasting of time. 

....well backing to our discussion about uniforms I'm almost agree with the 
some opinions I think it is true that it could avoid the competition 
of fancy clothes but in Peru the uniform is not only a "guardapolvo" 
actually it isn't a "guardapolvo", It is dark gray pants, white shirt and 
dark gray swetter, and almost always they are not quit durable it is not 
made with good quality  so it means that each year the families should buy 
a new uniform. So complicated is the problem that some peruvians presidents 
allowed the students to go to the school whit out uniform the first month 
and some times more than two months and It helped a lot, although some 
private schools didn't obey the command .
But by other hand it is true that the fancy clothes are a problem  and it 
could be worse in places like our countries where the differnece among richs 
and poors is so deep. I think I should think again the problem but belive me 
using uniforms some times is a problem in Peru.
If some body else in or from Peru (and all latin-america of course) is 
desagree with me I'll be glad to read his/her article



Merry Christmas and Happy new Year.. God bless you

                               Ricardo
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Consulta Alcoholica de Chile
Keywords: Chile
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:43:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  


      Feliz An~o Nuevo a todos los lectores !!!

Julio

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Date: 28 Dec 92 14:21 PST
Subject: C.American Summit 12/27/92
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Subject: C.American Summit 12/27/92
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CENTRAL AMERICAN PRESIDENTS DISCUSS REGION'S PROBLEMS

The presidents of the Central American countries held their 13th
summit in Panama City from Dec. 9 through Dec. 11. The main
topics discussed were the region's economic and agricultural
integration. The group telephoned Mexican President Carlos
Salinas de Gortari to register their objection to Mexico's
imposition of import taxes on sugar and meat, two of Central
America's main export products. The summit also resulted in an
Agricultural Declaration put together by the countries'
respective agriculture ministers. 
 
Regarding the region's economic integration, Costa Rican
president Rafael Calderon said, "we must insert ourselves into
the international market...we have to move toward an opening
where we can also protect ourselves from the excessive subsidies
of other nations." He also stated, in regard to international
economic assistance, "It is a barbarity that while they
[governments and international financial organizations] demand
peace and more open economies of us, they don't give us the
[financial] assistance we are expecting." President Jorge Serrano
of Guatemala pointed out that the agriculture ministers must take
into account the GATT (General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs)
agreement in regard to banana exportation. The Central American
countries are asking the the European Community not to put quotas
on the importation of bananas. Another topic discussed by the
presidents was the possibility of using only one currency for the
region. [ED-LP 12/09/92 from  AFP, 12/11/92 from AP]

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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:23:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Alberto Pinkas writes:

>In article <20685@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>>A marxist does not believe in Judaism.

>This is wrong.
>Judaism is more than just a religion.

Perhaps for you, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a Jewish race, 
for there are Jews of all races (including the Africans who are not recognized 
by Israel.)  Yo see Adolfo, I don't believe there is such a thing as "jewish 
race" just as I don't believe there is an arian race.

>A large number of people who support marxism are also Jews. Even more,
>some of them are zionists and live in Israel.

Well, Adolfo, one thing is to support Marxism, another is to believe in 
Marxism, particularly the tenets related to the non existence of god.  It 
certainly seems funny to concieve of people who believe in the Pentateuch, and 
at the same time deny the existence of god.

>As a first reference comes to my mind Leon Rozitchner, who wrote the
>book "Ser Judio", where he explains how many Jews are atheists, marxists,
>and proud of their being Jewish.

Well that's his point of view.  I guess if you adopt it you could ultimately 
prove that Pope John XXIII and Ernesto Cardenal were Marxists simlply because 
the belong to the "roman" or "latin" "race" and believe in proletarian 
revoultions.

>There is also a book from J. P. Sartre about anti-semitism.
>Is is also interesting to point out that quite many of those who went
>to Israel during the first years after independence were zionists
>who wanted a jewish-socialist state.

Alberto, lets not confuse thing any more. One thing is to be a marxist another 
to be a socialist, for as you know, not all socialists are marxists.  There are 
the Fabians, the Social Democrats, etc..., so it isn't strange to see a 
"socialist" "Labor" party in Israel which deports Palestian fundamentalists a 
la Third Reich.

>So, like before, when talking about Jews living in homes during WWII, you
>are either mistaken or against the truth.

Alberto, I'm still waiting to see where your family lived before being sent to 
the concentration camps. I'll bet you they weren't homeless.  Now, what's 
important of all this discussion is that there is no correlation between living 
healthy and having a roof and enjoying human rights, for opression doesn't 
necesarilly take on an economic character, unless of course you happen to be a 
Marxist and believe in material determinism.  Castro could have the best care 
system in the world (somthing very doubtful sinde they don't even have aspirin 
for their patients) yet be one of the worst human rights violators as well.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: fuentes@cs.rochester.edu
Subject: YES, I think Edelmiro is an idiot
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:27:18 -0500
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: quedamos solos
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 23:14:02 EST
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.

hola,  hace mas de una semana que no leo este newsgroup y al parecer
casi todo se fueron para sus casas. Suerte de ellos, pues tienenel sistem
semestral y no trimestral como lo tengo yo. Que envidia!!!.

Bueno, como veran estoy aburrido por eso escribo estas pavadas. Una cosa mas
Feliz Anyo Nuevo a todos de la red.

Antonio
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:06 PST
Subject: Privatization set back in Uruguay r
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Subject: Privatization set back in Uruguay referendum
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PRIVATIZATION SET BACK IN URUGUAY REFERENDUM

By Carl Glenn

The people of Uruguay voted in a Dec. 13 referendum to defeat 
five parts of a 32-part government plan to deregulate and sell 
nationalized industries to foreign investors. Uruguay President 
Luis A. Lacalle had promoted the "Public Works" law, which the 
legislature enacted last March. 

The vote will immediately slow wage cuts for many of Uruguay's 
workers. Uruguay has a militant and well-organized labor 
movement.

The referendum specifically prevents the sale of the state-owned 
national telephone company. Even though this government agency is
operating profitably, the Lacalle administration hoped to raise 
$500 million by selling off 51 percent of its shares to foreign 
bankers. The new owners would then fire thousands of workers and 
raise the cost of telephone service.

Workers and international speculators alike watched the vote 
closely. Similar plans have led to job losses for tens of 
thousands of workers in Argentina, Mexico, Ecuador, Venezuela, 
Panama and many other countries. Workers' movements have arisen 
in many countries in Latin America to fight the sale of some of 
the most important national economic assets to foreign bankers.

Privatization results in driving down wages and deepening the 
colonial oppression of the countries of Latin America by the 
investment bankers of the U.S., Europe and Japan. 
Denationalization has a double meaning: both selling state 
enterprises to rich capitalists and selling the nation's 
independence to foreign bankers.

While the vote is an important political victory, Uruguay's 
workers will have to redouble their efforts to prevent the 
world's bankers and their assistants in Uruguay from robbing them
of their country.


The Uruguayan financial daily El Observador commented that people
had only postponed the "painful need" to wreck state enterprises,
and referred to Lacalle's privatization plan as "timid." The 
Financial Times of London informed its readers that the Uruguayan
president is determined to push ahead with his "reforms." Last 
month Lacalle gave substantial raises to the police and to 
military officers.

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:01:29 EST
From: <HRL@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Guatemala City -> Mexico City?

I would be interested in having word from anyone with experience in
traveling from Guatemala City to Mexico City via Tikal (Ruins).  Both
land and air routes would be of interest.  Thanks.  Howard
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Drugs and guns
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:06:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Oreste Piro writes:

>Now tell me when are the US going to
>initiate its war against all weapons producing industry right
>inside its own border? 

We only sell low grade weapons to governments wich need them to pursue 
policies which are in agreement with our own, not to any whacko (albiet a 
mistake was made with Saddam Hussein) that requests them.

>Why drug production has to be illegal while
>mass destruction arms are freely produced and distributed?

Because U.S. weapons of mass destruction  are not freely distributed like 
cocainers want for their product.

>How many tons of coke are needed to equate the destructing
>power of a single atomic bomb? How many drugs victim would be
>necessary to balance the 30000 missing argentinians killed by
>the military generously equipped by the US?

It's very easy to blame the manufacturer of a weapon for the crimes of the 
criminal which uses it. I hope you're not incurring  in the same blunder here.  
Please blame Galtieri, not Smith & Wesson.

Edelmiro
From: hcrms@usmi03.midland.chevron.com (Mitchell S. Craig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Peru
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:46:15 GMT
Organization: chevron

Oyi' en el radio (National Public Radio) esta man~ana (28 Dic) que
en Lima ayer hubo una bomba en un carro al frente de la embajada 
estadounidense. Hay dos muertos y ~40 heridos.

                   Mitchell Craig
From: piro@dollar.unice.fr (Oreste Piro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: looking for Argentine last name...
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: piro@ecu.unice.fr
Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis
NNTP-Posting-Host: ecu.unice.fr

In article <kms29kp@rpi.edu> mathep@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Patrick Mathewson)  
writes:
> I need help searching for someone in Buenos Aires.  I know only the first  
five initials of her maiden name, which is BARBO.  If anyone from Argentina  
could tell me of any last names that begin with those letters it would be  
greatly appreciated.

In case you didn't realized it, Buenos Aires is a 12 million city, so
you might need more a miracle than help. Having say that, a name comes
to mind fitting those five initials: "Barbosa". You still will find a
good couple of pages in the phone directory under this name and that
will leave out the most probable case that your friend doesnt even have a  
telephone at home.

>                    Patrick Mathewson
>                   
> my e-mail address is mathep@rpi.edu
>  

Sorry for being discouraging.
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From: ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuban Rights Advocate Beaten and Detained
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:34:59 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Ray,

Muchas gracias por la informacion en torno a la "desaparicion" de Camilo
Cienfuegos.  Ayer escuche que un ex-coronel de las Fuerza Aerea Cubana logro
rescatar a su familia de Cuba.  El ex-militar se habia exiliado en los EEUU
desde hace un an~o.  A traves de una amiga mexicana le dijo a su esposa que
estuviera con su hijo en una autopista que hay en la habana a cierta hora y que
vistiera de anaranjado.  El coronel sabia que el radar cubano no lo podria
detectar si viajaba con su avioneta a muy baja altura y se arriesgo a volar
a Cuba casi tocando las olas.  A la ora indicada aterrizo sobre las autopista,
y recogio a su familia.  Es interesante que bajo las narices de Castro
pudiera hacer todo esto.  Me imagino que si una avioneta lo puede hacer,
que sera un "stealth" fighter!!  Deberian proclamar a este sen~or un heroe
nacional.

Saludos,

Edelmiro
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:33:12 EST
From: <HRL@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Chiapas Travel?

What is the best way to travel from Chiapas to the USA?
What is the best time of year to leave Chiapas because of climate?
Thanks.
Howard