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From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Number 7
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:33:26 GMT
Organization: none

In article <78832@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>In article <30AUG199223471482@venus.tamu.edu> ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian) writes:
>>In article <24919@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
>>writes...
>>>Apparently the number "7" never appears _anywhere_ in the village. If
>>
>>Main theory I've heard is that 7 is commonly thought a lucky number, and
>>there's no luck in the Village.
>
>Could it maybe be something religious?  7 being associated with the Bible, not
>wanting to offend the censors (far-fetched, but possible)?
>
>Or is number 7 God?
>-- 
>|* Joe Carl Patrick Spontaneous White             joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
>|* 910 E. 32nd, #201                                                         *|
>|* Austin, TX 78705                         "John said I didn't know what to *|
>|* 512-499-8431; -8461 modem                 put, but I guess I showed him." *|

I believe I was told in Catechism <lutheran>, that 7 was Jesus's number.
This was given, without explanation. I also recall that a number of
Christian rock bands use 777 like Satanic ones use 666. heh

					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Number 7
Reply-To: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:50:27 GMT

In article <78833@ut-emx.uucp>, joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>Also, 7 is the "perfect" number, and nothing is perfect in the Village.
>
>-- 
>|* Joe Carl Patrick Spontaneous White             joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
>|* 910 E. 32nd, #201                                                         *|
>|* Austin, TX 78705                         "John said I didn't know what to *|
>|* 512-499-8431; -8461 modem                 put, but I guess I showed him." *|
No, actually "6" is a perfect number, which is mathematically defined as
being equal to the sum of its factors other than itself. (1+2+3)
From: cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: How to get CD of Prisoner music?
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:41:55 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <27226@life.ai.mit.edu> cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft) writes:
>
>I would like to obtain the CD.
>Where do I send the money?
>
>Stuart



I've managed to get volume 2 of the Prisoner music. This volume
is known as the "incidental" music from the series. The last
track, Age of Elegance, mentioned by other posters is a chamber
group version of the opening credit music prior to its being
orchestrated and is interesting.

It is not hard to pick out part of the main theme:

	B-A-B, A-G-A, G-F-G, D-C-D

The rest of the music is rather nice listening music for background
times, The Girl Who Was Death episode had quite a bit of good music
in it.

Stuart
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:49:15 -0400 
From: Jason Lee Smith <js06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Graphic Novel Prisoner Sequel

It was originally just called "The Prisoner," but when it was collected
in graphic novel format it was called "Shattered Visages." Its by Dean
Motter, incidentally.


				Jason
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: twod@socrates.demon.co.uk (Ian Parkin)
Subject: Rerun rumours... 
Distribution: world
Organization: Twod's Software Factory
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:50:57 +0000


In article <25428@castle.ed.ac.uk> aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk writes:

>
>I hear Channel 4 are finally about to reshow "The Prisoner" starting
>sometime in September. Anyone confirm or deny this information?
>
>And you,
--
Ian Parkin, twod@socrates.demon.co.uk

Yep I believe these are more than rumours.

C4 recently ran an autumn preview in which TP was shown.

It has also been noted by a few papers that the episodes will be rerun in the
original running order, as they boobed last time they reran em.

BSY

IAP
 as apparently theya a
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts)
Subject: Re: Village buttons
Originator: rbt@dracut
Keywords: buttons
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:24:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.001315.9450@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) writes:
> The title is largely self-explanatory - I have seen people in obscure places
> wearing Number Six buttons, with the velocipede (or whatever it is) on it.
> 
> Anyone have an idea as to where to get one?  I'd always hankered to get a 
> Number Six or Number Two pin...  probably a Number Two.

In the Village, of course! One place you can get them is from the Prisoner
Shop in Portmeirion, in Wales. Otherwise I've seen them as gifts for pledging
money to public tv(on the various PBS stations that show The Prisioner from
time to time).
> 
> Be seeing you,

And you!

-Bob T.


Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Graphic Novel Prisoner Sequel
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:22:46 GMT

Sorry I couldn't respond directly to th~re perw3son who asked, but DC comics
in America, published a 4-Issue, oversized, color comic that was a 
sequel to the Prisoner. Not too shabby, had a very nice look to it.
Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name they gave this little Mini-series.
Anyone out there who does?

				--Judex--

Organization: Doctoral student, Metallurgy and Materials Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:17:38 -0400 
From: Seth Adam Eliot <se08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Village buttons


There are two options here:

first, Star Tech sells such paraphenalia.

second (and morre interesting) just down load one of thge many Gif files
around of the Penny Farthing Cycle.  Load the Gif into a graphics editor
to add the number of choice.  Print on a laser printer.  Buy a blank
button (I've seen them available) and add your printout.

-Seth

__________________________________________________________________________
"We... have no use for adventures.  Nasty disturbing uncomfortable
things!  Make you late for dinner!"  -- B. Baggins 

Seth Eliot,            Dept of Material Science and Engineering
                       Carnegie Mellon Univerity,   Pittsburgh, PA
ARPA    :eliot+@cmu.edu            --------------------------------------
   or    se08+@andrew.cmu.edu
Bitnet:  se08%andrew@cmccvb        
---------------------------------
From: aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Number 2's chair (was Re: Village buttons)
Keywords: buttons
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:00:15 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I don't know where you can get one, but number 2's chair is called an
Eeno Aarnio chair, or something similar (I read it a while back :) )

I noticed one recently in the background of the Wonderstuff's video
"Size of a Cow". 

There is a UK mail order address for Prisoner merchandise, including the
number badges; I'll post it when I find it.

Be seeing you,
-- 
Gav                     | "Hur hur hur hur"
<aigdi@uk.ac.ed.castle> |                   - Dr. Octopus
From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Number 7
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:30:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <30AUG199223471482@venus.tamu.edu> ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian) writes:
>In article <24919@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
>writes...
>>Apparently the number "7" never appears _anywhere_ in the village. If
>
>Main theory I've heard is that 7 is commonly thought a lucky number, and
>there's no luck in the Village.

Could it maybe be something religious?  7 being associated with the Bible, not
wanting to offend the censors (far-fetched, but possible)?

Or is number 7 God?
-- 
|* Joe Carl Patrick Spontaneous White             joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
|* 910 E. 32nd, #201                                                         *|
|* Austin, TX 78705                         "John said I didn't know what to *|
|* 512-499-8431; -8461 modem                 put, but I guess I showed him." *|
From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: REQUEST:  Gilded Cage
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:05:34 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

I managed to catch one part of this piece of fan-fiction this summer, then lost
access.  Could someone direct me to an FTP site or email me this story?
Thanks.
BCNU

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)    <<Ren and Stimpy in '92!>>
Rose tints my world, keeps me safe from the trouble and pain- RHPS
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian)
Subject: Re: Number 7
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:47:00 GMT

In article <24919@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
writes...
>Apparently the number "7" never appears _anywhere_ in the village. If
>you look at 6's credit card, the "Free Information" board etc. all the
>places where a number containing the digit 7 would have appeared are
>spaces or strange numbers like 2a.
>Anyone like to advance a theory why this is? Here's my two:
>a) Since 6 and 1 are ultimately the same, you can't have both at once.
>b) Nobody could go "one better" than number 6!

Main theory I've heard is that 7 is commonly thought a lucky number, and
there's no luck in the Village.
From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Number 7
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:54:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

Also, 7 is the "perfect" number, and nothing is perfect in the Village.

-- 
|* Joe Carl Patrick Spontaneous White             joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
|* 910 E. 32nd, #201                                                         *|
|* Austin, TX 78705                         "John said I didn't know what to *|
|* 512-499-8431; -8461 modem                 put, but I guess I showed him." *|
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: rons@quads.uchicago.edu (Josh Ronsen)
Subject: More Questions About The General
Reply-To: rons@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Dark University of Chicago Campus
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:21:20 GMT


	In the episode "The General" does anyone have any ideas of
what the motivations of Number 12 and the Professor are?  Does 12
really want to help 6, or just discredit the Professor?  I still find
this the strangest of episodes.



	Regards,

	Josh Ronsen
	rons@midway.uchicago.edu
From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: The Prisoner poker game
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:03:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

This is something my friend and I made up one evening:

Seven card stud, 6 of clubs wild, last face up 2 wild, all other 2's 'dead'
(meaning they can't be used in straights or flushes or anything).

It's always fun to see who'll be "the new number 2."
-- 
|* Joe Carl Patrick Spontaneous White             joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
|* 910 E. 32nd, #201                                                         *|
|* Austin, TX 78705                         "John said I didn't know what to *|
|* 512-499-8431; -8461 modem                 put, but I guess I showed him." *|
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Number 7
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:40:03 GMT

re: Discussing the sybolism of 6 and the lack of 7

In article <1992Sep2.012548.25739@sdf.lonestar.org> fres@sdf.lonestar.org
(Brian Long) writes:
>Actually I had the same Idea.  Number 7 is in the Bible the number of
>perfection
>While number 6 is the number of man.  (One short of perfection).  Thus the
>reason that the number 666 is the number of the beast (three men, thus mocking
>the trinity) and 777 is the number stamped on all Christians in the great 
>Tribulation (The number of God three times indicating the trinity).
> 
>This theory would also explain why T_P was giving the number 6.  He symbolizes
>mankind as a whole.

Hmmm, possibly. I'm not all that familiar with history and the bible, but
as I recall the base ten system was not in general use at the time the
666 stuff was written. So six-hundred sixty-six would probably not be
written as 666...more likely DCLXVI in Roman numerals. Seems to me the
666 and 777 interpretation quoted above is a modern invention. But I'm
no biblical scholar, so I may very well be wrong.

Another possibilty (my turn to invent stuff :-)  is that "6" refers to
Eastern mystical beliefs. I've heard that "6" represents Earth while
"9" represents Heaven...this from a book on Jimi Hendrix explaining
what the title of his song _If 6 was 9_ refers to. I think Douglas Adams
picked up on this too for his "ultimate answer/question to the universe"
in his _Hitchhikers Guide ttU_ series.

Thus perhaps the "6" refers to not a man, but all of mankind/society. Gee,
I ended up with the same conclusion as Brian after all...   :-)

Scott.
-- 
Scott Hannon, Thu Sep 3 1992 (hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: Tim Phillips
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Village buttons
Keywords: buttons
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:19:38 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) writes:

>The title is largely self-explanatory - I have seen people in obscure places
>wearing Number Six buttons, with the velocipede (or whatever it is) on it.

They shouldn't - I don't think Number Six himself ever wore his badge,
altho someone reminded me last time I posted a remark about this that
'Number Six' as his double (sorry, I forget the episode) wore one.

If there is an A.TV.P archive somewhere, you will probably find a lot of
discussion about the Penny-Farthing bicycle, like WHY THE CANOPY ?

>Anyone have an idea as to where to get one?  I'd always hankered to get a 
>Number Six or Number Two pin...  probably a Number Two.

Can't help you Over There, of course :-) Did anyone notice the
 umbrella/shooting-stick carried by each Number 2? They are sold in a shop
 in London. The thing I always wanted was that chair that Number 2 came up
 through the floor in. 
>Be seeing you,
>-- 
 
 Stay Mutual


>*******************************************************************************
>Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94   Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
>S-1, Pershing Rifles, Co E, 8th Rgt		            WWIVLink: 149@18407
>*******************************************************************************
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: BI-MONTHLY POSTING: The Prisoner FAQ
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:01:17 GMT

Great FAQ list, but I have a couple of questions.

1> Please give an example of the errors contained in The Prisoner Companion.
You contradict it all over, and I would like to know your source.

2>What is your source for the bit about the "5 fill in episodes"?
I have always heard that they were going to make more than 17 episodes, and
then cut it back, with those 5 getting caught in the middle. Living In
Harmony is probably my favorite episode. 

3> You neglected to mention the two tributes by Iron Maiden. "The Prisoner"
on Number Of The Beast, and "Back In The Village" from "Powerslave".
Definately tributes, and apparently authorized since "The Prisoner"
uses the "We want Information" bit from the show as an intro.

Also, what is the general consensus on the contributions of George Markstein?
He co-created the show with McGoohan, but they had a serious falling out
during the filming of the first batch of episodes. Markstein is on record as
saying that McGoohan is an a**hole, that The Prisoner is the biggest load
of crap, and <most interestingly> that #6 is indeed John Drake.

Thanks for the FAQ!!!
					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: igor@access.digex.com (Dan White)
Subject: Re: Village buttons
Organization: Society for the Prevention of Paronomastic Defenestration
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:03:42 GMT


An additional possibility exists...

I make Village Buttons.

E-mail at me for details

...Signature file under construction
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: gunther@world.std.com (Gunther W Anderson)
Subject: Re: Prisoner Music on CD
Keywords: Music ThemeSong 
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:33:15 GMT

Check out the FAQ -- it mentions the 'official' sources for the two
soundtrack CD's.  However, just 3 weeks ago (or so) I bought both CD's
from Tower Records in L.A.  This after someone posted about having
found them in a Tower in another city.  Yes, they're still in print..

The first CD is the original incidental music and title music written
for the show.  It is not _all_ of it, since this would be a prodigious
volume of music, but it makes a good show of it.  There is also some
biographical information on Ron Grainer, who wrote the title and some
of the incidentals.

The second CD is music from other sources used in the series, things like
marches and waltzes and the like.  I like the first much better, since
the music is more distinctively Prisoneresque, but the die-hard collector
will likely get both anyway.

						Gunther
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Graphic Novel Prisoner Sequel
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 04:21:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.192246.20948@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>Sorry I couldn't respond directly to th~re perw3son who asked, but DC comics
>in America, published a 4-Issue, oversized, color comic that was a 
>sequel to the Prisoner. Not too shabby, had a very nice look to it.
>Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name they gave this little Mini-series.
>Anyone out there who does?

It was called 'Shattered Visage', and was also released in a single volume
graphic novel format.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
From: cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: How to get CD of Prisoner music?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:38:22 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab


I would like to obtain the CD.
Where do I send the money?

Stuart
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver)
Subject: Re: Graphic Novel Prisoner Sequel
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:09:55 GMT

I've never run across the graphic novel compilation of the 4-parter. I have 
to admit, the apparent gap of events between parts 3 and 4 had me more 
than a wee bit confused. Had me going back through and making sure I hadn't 
somehow leaped from "Book C" to "Book E". Now that I think about it, I'm 
surprised there wasn't ever a regular comic book series put out, a-la "Dr. 
Who". It would have been perfect fodder.
From: js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: The Edge Within
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:16:28 GMT
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I saw a script advertised in the catalog "Star Tech" (motto "Our
merchandise may be overpriced, but at least the quality is
questionable.") which was labelled as the "proposed U.S. series pilot,"
to the Prisoner. It was called "The Edge Within." Anybody know about it.
Anybody have it. Anybody care to post a copy to the B-Board.



				Jason
From: daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Date: 3 Sep 1992 13:35:20 GMT
Organization: That would be telling...

In article <Sep02.204409.41536@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham) writes:
>In article <NICKH.92Sep2094143@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick
Haines) writes:
>
>In my extensive (NOT) research into this subject, I have found that
>Americans tend not to have these.  The males have them cut off early
>in life and the women are born without them :-) This generaliz^Hsation
>has held in my limited locker room experience.  Blush.  Blush.
>As many of the correspondents on this matter are male, perhaps this is
>why smegma is regarded as a rare commodity is these parts.
>As we all know, circumscision is no skin of my nose.;-)
>
>Hugh 
>--
>hg798502@longs.lance.colostate.edu
>I am not a free man, I am a number.
>
	In the mid fifties, a faulty medical study concluded that
circumcision of the male reduced cervical cancer in females. For 
at least ten years it was common practice in most hospitals to
circumcise at birth. Many, including myself, are victims of this
careless jumping to conclusion, but hey, how can the ovewhelming
social whim be wrong?

											Mutually Yours,

											Clark J. Daggs
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: fres@sdf.lonestar.org (Brian Long)
Subject: Re: Number 7
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:25:48 GMT

In article <78832@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>In article <30AUG199223471482@venus.tamu.edu> ewm6965@venus.tamu.edu (The Guardian) writes:
>>In article <24919@castle.ed.ac.uk>, aigdi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Inglis)
>>writes...
>>>Apparently the number "7" never appears _anywhere_ in the village. If
>>
>>Main theory I've heard is that 7 is commonly thought a lucky number, and
>>there's no luck in the Village.
>
>Could it maybe be something religious?  7 being associated with the Bible, not
>wanting to offend the censors (far-fetched, but possible)?
>
>Or is number 7 God?
>-- 

Actually I had the same Idea.  Number 7 is in the Bible the number of perfection
While number 6 is the number of man.  (One short of perfection).  Thus the
reason that the number 666 is the number of the beast (three men, thus mocking
the trinity) and 777 is the number stamped on all Christians in the great 
Tribulation (The number of God three times indicating the trinity).
 
This theory would also explain why T_P was giving the number 6.  He symbolizes
mankind as a whole.

(NOTE:  The number 6 is not evil, just the number of the beast 666).  Please
no flames.
From: fres@sdf.lonestar.org (Brian Long)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: The Prisoner poker game
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:27:02 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

In article <78834@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>This is something my friend and I made up one evening:
>
>Seven card stud, 6 of clubs wild, last face up 2 wild, all other 2's 'dead'
>(meaning they can't be used in straights or flushes or anything).
>
>It's always fun to see who'll be "the new number 2."
>-- 

Intersting, I'll have to try it at my next card game!