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From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Who visited first after WC'83(WI/Pak)?
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:44:40 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hai
	I have a doubt.
	Just after the prudential cup,(1983), we had visits from
West Indies and Pakistan almost immediately. (Can't forget the
thrashing by the WIs). But I can't place them chronologically.

Who visited first? Pakistan (Gavaskar hit a century in B'lore on the
last day)
or West Indies(Of course the thrashing)
Also, can anyone account for the centuries no. 27-34 hit by Gavaskar?

Thanks,
Murali Seetharaman.
sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
From: khan@shrike.und.ac.za (Feroz Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: World Cup 1996
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:01:20 GMT
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Does anyone know where the 1996 World Cup will be staged. A decision was
supposed to have been taken on the 17th of December 1992, but nearly a
month later I have not heard any thing about.

If anyone knows could you please send a message and if poosible the
contents of the successfull(?) bid.

Thanx
Feroz
From: sangstrd@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Sangster)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:21:22 GMT
Subject: Re: One bouncer per over rule
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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Martin LAI writes:

> At first I was pretty much against the one bouncer/over rule like everybody
> else.
> But if you have seen the way Ambrose and Bishop have bowled so far in the
> Australian first innings of the 4th test at Adelaide, you, like me, may be
> starting to think otherwise.

Sorry, I don't.

I think the one bouncer-per-over rule is BS.   I think this is a ploy by the
international cricket community to try and reduce the WI's dominance of world
cricket.  In days past (middle 70's) when Australia had  Lillee and Thomson, 
they absolutely destroyed the WI in the '75-76 series with a textbook lesson 
in hostile fast bowling.  (the WI) didn't cry and whimper and say no fair, we 
took our lumps like a man, learned the lesson that true fast bowling is a 
potent weapon, and returned the compliment!  Here are my objections to the 
one bouncer/per over rule:

1. batsmen now have more protective gear than before, the better to weather the
   onslaught.

2. the bouncer IS an intimidating weapon, but once a batsman has seen one in
   an over, he cas rest assured that he is "safe" for the remainder of the over.
   This reduces the bouncer's surprise effect.

3. And finally, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.  Maybe
   a few more bouncers will force batsmen to concentrate more, and weed out the
   less than competent, resulting in better batsmen vs. bowler duels and more
   exciting cricket!


-David Sangster (davidms@hpedc1.corp.hp.com)

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West Indies rules!!
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From: sista@engr.LaTech.edu (Ravi K. Sista)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Very good start by India
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:50:13 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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India is going great guns at Chandigarh.  After 14 overs they are 48 for
no loss.

Sidhu                     	not out		19
Prabhakar			not out		22
Extras     					 6

Total				off 14 overs	48


Keep in touch for the latest from Chandigarh, guys

With regards,

Ravi Kumar Sista


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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Snippets
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:10:13 GMT


Snippets from the Times of India:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

o In the Wills Trophy semis, Delhi thrashed Bengal, and Board Pres. XI
  defeated Bombay in a low-scoring game. All Wills trophy games this year
  are being played in the East Zone.

o Delhi 240-6 in 50 ov. (Bantoo Singh 96*, Bhaskar 53)
  Bengal 117 a.o. (Ashok Malhotra 35*, Kirti Azad 3-16)

o Bombay 164 a.o. (A.Padmanabha 4-23 in 10)
  Board Pres. XI won by 3 wkts. Sorry, no more details....

o Earlier in a Ranji Trophy game, Bombay defeated Gujrat by an innings
  and 116 runs, to collect a cool 24 points (max = 25) and are now poised
  to win the Talim Shield for winning the W.Z.league.

  Gujrat 1st inn - 331 (Parasher Patel century on debut, Malam 52, Mody 46)
  Bombay 1st inn - 635-9 decl! (JATIN PARANJPE 218, Sairaj Bahutule 123*,
                                Zubin Bharucha 76, Sunil More 71)
  Gujrat 2nd inn - 188 (Mukund Parmar 61, Mistry 55, Abey Kuruvilla 6-61)


  Jatin Paranjpe finally got the big innings and broke into the India
  u-25 team playing England (altho' he might have made it anway). His
  218 was his first first-class double century, and it was made off 275
  balls, with 21 fours. I think I managed to wrest the #1 Paranjpe fan
  position from Sadiq some time back :-)

  Bharucha and More continue to get the decent scores each time. Bahutule,
  who is better known for his legspin, and is also playing England at the
  moment, slammed his second Ranji century which contained four sixers. He
  bats left-handed.


     +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
     | Neeran M. Karnik | #2 fan of Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar on r.s.c.  :-> |
     | Dept. of CompSci.| "I am Sachin's number one fan" - Sunil Gavaskar  |
     | U of Minnesota   | "A jewel in India's crown" - Tony Cozier         |
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From: charu@ghatge.wpd.sgi.com (Charuhas Ghatge)
Subject: Test...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:26:16 GMT

Please ignore...

--charu.

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From: rohanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Koduvayur Kri Chandran)
Subject: Re: A Question?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 06:29:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.061235.29976@leland.Stanford.EDU> ravikane@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ravindra Shantaram Kane) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.054349.28897@leland.Stanford.EDU> urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan) writes
>> I think Engineer once got to 94 before lunch against the West 
>>Indies; I remember hearing a story that he got his century in the over after
>>lunch.
>>
>I once saw an interview of his on t.v. in which he said that he completed his
>century on the first ball after lunch by hitting a six.
>-ravi

Yup. This was the game in which SObers deliberately employed timewating tactics
as the break approached in order to deny Engineer the chance of scoring 100
before lunch

Rohan

*******************************************************************************
Manchester United Football Club		*  INDIA - winners of nothing in
_______________________________		*          recent cricket history.
Leading the way in the nineties		*
1990 F.A.Cup				*   ODIs - Eng 1  India 1  
1991 Cup Winners Cup			*  TESTs - Eng 0  India 0
1993 League Champions ???		*
1993 F.A. Cup ???                       *  KAPIL DEV - 412
*******************************************************************************
Rohan Chandran				             rohanc@leland.stanford.EDU

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From: sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar)
Subject: Re: Changes needed for Perth test
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:48:39 GMT

In article <rakesh.728025433@sungear> rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI) writes:
>At tea Aus 8/110 (Langer (brave boy) 44 n.o., May 4 n.o.)
>
>no comments about that score.  I guess Peter Roebuck has more sense in
>future before writing off a team like West Indies.  With judgement like
>that no wonder he never played for England and Botham, Richards and
>Garner left Somerset.

With Curtley Ambrose in the side, you can never rule out the Windies!

>
>What about Australian test side for Perth.
>
>Mark Taylor needs a break for same reason as Dean Jones, performance in test
>matches.  For last 16 innings he hasn't crossed 50.  Matthew Hayden can
>make debut at Perth.  I doubt selectors will take two spinners in
>Perth (or any spinners at all).  How about debut for one or two pace
>bowlers Julian or Angel or Reiffel (ofcourse he has played 1 test)?
>

The squad for the 5th test is Border, Taylor, Boon, Langer, M. Waugh,
S. Waugh, D. Martyn, T. May, I. Healy, S. Warne, T. Dodemaide, M Hughes,
C. McDermott and Jo Angel.


The team to be selected depends on whether Boon and May are fit. If they
both are then the team is likely to be:


D. Boon
M. Taylor
J. Langer
M. Waugh
D. Martyn/S. Waugh
A. Border
I. Healy
T. May
M. Hughes
J. Angel
C. McDermott


Mark Taylor is probably on his last chance having not scored a 50 in his
last 16 innings. Jo Angel is likely to play on his home pitch.  I'm not
sure whether the selectors are game enough to go with two rookie batsmen,
but IMHO Martyn should be selected ahead of Waugh. Australia seems to have found
the number three they were looking for in Justin Langer and I'm almost certain
he'll become a permanent member of the team.
-- 
Sanjay Mazumdar
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| E-mail    : sanjay@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au                                   |
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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Stats on Shastri needed
Keywords: Shastri, Cricket
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:09:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: unity.karnik.727895345
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <C1CDJL.1A0@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@ada.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:

>In article <karnik.727843724@deci> karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

>>Name     Tests     Inns     No     HS      Runs      Ave     100's     50's
>>Shastri   80       121      14    206      3830     35.79     11       12

>>Bowling:
>>Name      Balls     Runs     Wkts     Ave    Best      5w      10w      SR
>>Shastri   15751     6185      151    40.96    5-75      2        0    104.31

>Hmm...a very mediocre player indeed.

	Hmmmm.... do mediocre players go around scoring 11 Test
centuries before their 30th birthday? Or play 150+ ODIs? Or 4 ODI tons?
3000 ODI runs? Do mediocre players score double centuries in Tests?

>Mahesh.


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     | Neeran M. Karnik | #2 fan of Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar on r.s.c.  :-> |
     | Dept. of CompSci.| "I am Sachin's number one fan" - Sunil Gavaskar  |
     | U of Minnesota   | "A jewel in India's crown" - Tony Cozier         |
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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Wasim Akran appointed Pakistan captain
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:09:18 GMT

Just heard on BBC SPorts round up that Wasim Akram (26) has been appointed 
to captain Pakistan on its tours to South Africa and West Indies. Waqar
Younis (21) will be the vice-captain.

The appointment of Akram as skipper is a move that was anticipated/hoped for
in some quarters on rsc, so doesn't surprise me, but that of Waqar as vice-
captain does. I'm not very familiar with Pakistan cricket, but he seems a 
little young, and if Akram is injured will suddenly have a big responsibility
on his shoulders, in addition to being the main weapon. Was there no one else
(Malik,Rameez,Shoaib?), or is he either beyond his years (Yes, I know
he has 102 Test wickets) ?

BTW, BBC quoted a Pakistan Board spokesman who said that this appointment was
consistent with their policy of having a captain who would be around for a
longish while - that policy didn't seem to affect Imran, somehow.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:35:02 CST
From: <U17868@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Leading Test Averages.
 <1993Jan17.024719.6330@octel.com> <93019.233230SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1993Jan22.170224.18686@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>

In article <1993Jan22.170224.18686@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>,
axeman@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Samir Chopra) says:
>
>that way. If you take a look at Imrans figures for the series of 1982-83,
>I think (this is from memory), Imran was good at coming back and quickly
>getting rid of Doshi and Maninder to wipe up the tail. I find it hard
Maninder did not play in the 82-83 series.
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Subject: Re: One bouncer per over rule
From: HCPD7@DEVAX1 (Martin LAI)
Date: 29 Jan 93 08:54:26 +1000
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In <4220019@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> sangstrd@hpcc01.corp.hp.com writes:

> I think the one bouncer-per-over rule is BS.   I think this is a ploy by the
> international cricket community to try and reduce the WI's dominance of world
> cricket.  In days past (middle 70's) when Australia had  Lillee and Thomson,

	The rules are not made just for today. They are made to last. There is
no guarantee that the West Indies will be the team with the great fast bowlers
in years to come, so it's not necessarily just the West Indies bowlers that
will be inconvenienced in the long term.

> 1. batsmen now have more protective gear than before, the better to weather
>    the onslaught.

	The protective gear helps the batsmen not to get killed.
	It doesn't always stop them getting hurt.

> 2. the bouncer IS an intimidating weapon, but once a batsman has seen one in
>    an over, he cas rest assured that he is "safe" for the remainder of the over.
>    This reduces the bouncer's surprise effect.

        If you always want to bowl the bouncer as the first or second ball in
your over, that says something about what you're capable of as a bowler. If
you have no ways of getting the batsman out without bowling at his head, then
you shouldn't even be playing international cricket.

> 3. And finally, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.  Maybe
>    a few more bouncers will force batsmen to concentrate more, and weed out
>    the less than competent, resulting in better batsmen vs. bowler duels and
>    more exciting cricket!

	The bouncer is used to BREAK UP the batsman's concentration.
	Am I right in guessing that you are a boxing fan as well? Sounds like
all you want to see is BLOOD!
	Part of the reason the bouncer rule was introduced was to make for more
scoring opportunities. If the fielding side has two men deep behind square and
bowl 5 bouncers per over, how many runs are going to be scored?


	The current suggestion for 2 per over is fair enough. But it still has
to be enforced. The umpires in this test series have usually given the bowlers
a chance by allowing them to bowl more than one bouncer per over per batsman
anyway.


	Lastly, I don't think Australia would lose out in any bouncer wars to
anybody. The quality of fast bowling in Australia is not far behind
the Pakistanis and the Windies, and I'm sure Merv wouldn't mind getting to
put in a bouncer barrage on the Poms again in the upcoming Ashes series.


						      -	Martin

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From: sagrawal@cco.caltech.edu (Sanjay Kumar Agrawal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Miandad
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:13:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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According to some Pakistan daily, Javed Miandad is considering retirement
following the unceremonious way he was sacked as the captain. By the way,
Imran Khan is the advicer to the Pakistan's cricket board.

Source: Radio Australia


Sanjay Agrawal
Oracle Corporation
From: j_graham@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Future West Indian Openers
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:47:48 EDT

With the apparent decline of Haynes, and the recent loss of Greenidge,
I believe that the selectors should be taking a serious look at two
specialist opening batsmen for test matches. Living in the U.S.A I am not
totally up to date with the Caribbean scene except Barbados. I believe
however that the future West Indian prospects should come from among the
following.

Jamaica
Robert Samuels (based on last year's red stripe should be #1 prospect)
Delroy Morgan  (used to be a very good prospect)

Barbados

Philo Wallace (loose defence, but fantastic reflexes. At local club level
               he is mediocre and is considered to be no better than
               Anderson Cummins who used to open the batting. In the 
               recent domestic competition he only scored 200 + runs 22 years)

Sherwin Campbell (Broke Lara's under 19 record for the total amount of runs
                  scored and the most centuries made. He is not able to open
                  for Barbados because of Haynes Greenidge Best Wallace
                  and Holder. He scored 200 + in a trial match and still was
                  forced to bat in the middle order. He scored 500 + in the
                  recent domestic competition. He is the best young batsmen
                  that I have seen in Barbados ever. He is 21 years of age)

Adrian Griffith (Broke the under 19 record for the most runs in a season.
                 prolific scorer at local level. Bats left handed. With
                 Haynes Greenidge and Best on the way out, his chance may
                 come. He scored 700 + in the recent domestic competition.
                 20 years of age)

Roland Holder  (promising opening batsmen who has been forced to bat in
                the middle of the order. He has performed creditably for
                 Barbados and hold the record for most runs in a season in
                 the domestic competition, 800 +)


Guyana

Paul Persaud    (When I saw Paul Persaud a few years ago opening with
                Sherwin Campbell against the Australian under 19 team, I
                was convinced that he was going to be in the West Indies
                team by now. However since Guyana already has Dhaniran and
                Lambert he has not been opening the batting. Worse yet, he
                has not been scoring runs. I am totally baffled. He is
                21 years)

Sudesh Dhaniran (started red stripe career with a bang, scoring a couple of
                 centuries, however he has cooled off since then. I am not
                 sure of his age, but I think that he is under 25).


Jonathan Graham (Bajan on the net)

Adrian Griffith
From: sbasu@spock (BASU)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Selfish Gavaskar & Shastri
Keywords: Selfless Srikanth & Azhar?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:55:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmsu.1993Jan25.225529.22867
Organization: New Mexico State University

In article <C1CD2D.JEu@acsu.buffalo.edu> skumar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shivesh  
Kumar) writes:
 It is not proper to evaluate someone solely on statitics as it does not  
always
> give the true reflection about his batting or bowling.

Agreed!

Recently there was a
> discussion on Gavaskar's sixers & someone came up saying about a ODI at 
> Jamshedpur against WI in which Gavaskar has few sixers to his credit.
> But statistics doesn't reveal how he played in that match.Asked to chase  
some 
> 330, he surrendred from the very first ball and never quite attempted to  
go 
> for it.It was only when the required runrate had crossed some 20-25 runs  
per
> over and it was just a formality left when he took few loose balls out  
of fence
> Moreover he didn't consider it even worthwhile to leave the crease so 
> that other batsman could try.Not unusual he has done this many times and  
his 
> 36 not out in a 60 over match in 1975 world cup is an standing example  
which 
> just speaks out his incapability to accelerate the scoring rate or do  
some 
> improvisation which IS expected from ANY specialist batsman at any  
moment of a
> match. Same thing with Ravi Shastri, these two players are/were more  
concerned
> with remaining 'not outs' and improving their statistic no matter if it  
costs 
> a match for the country.

Don't equate Gavaskar & Shastri.

> If you just hang around the crease simply waiting for 
> a loose ball to score on ,that doesn't make any sense.
> 
> I certainly feel that Vengsarkar & Vishwanath was a better batsman than 
> Gavaskar though statistics says otherwise.Had Gavaskar got the treatment  
like 
> what Jimmy Amarnath used to get(out & in) he wouldn't have stood  
anywhere near
> him too.Selectors used to carry on with him even when he used to be out  
of form
> just because we've always had problems finding openers rather than  
middle order
> order batsman.If Vishy,Vengy or Jimmy were given to play continuously so  
many 
> matches as Gavaskar I'm sure they would have landed ahead of Gavaskar or 
> atleast not that behind as stats would show right now.
> 
> Comments invited..

There are no ifs & buts in cricket. And another point - players like  
Gavaskar & Shastri are accused of playing for themselves in odis. What  
should be said about batsmen like Srikanth & Azhar who hit kamikaze shots  
in test matches & get themselves out in a most reckless way? Selfless  
Cricketers?

Scrooge
> 
> -Shivesh
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: IRC and TAS-TV
Summary: Grrrrrrrrrrrr
Keywords: annoyance
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:33:51 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.


G'day guys,

       In their infinite wisdom, TAS-TV have decided that they are only going
to show the final session of the first two days of the Fifth Test. Instead
they would rather make me watch a fluffy ball being hit by rounded bats by
the batsmen at either end of the pitch to and from each other (though these
cricketers call it tennis).

       Hopefully someone else will be able to take up the IRC commentary for
the first day (I can't be there at all for the second day). By the third we
will probably all know if we want to follow the game in earnest :-).

George
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