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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We make money the ole fashioned way. We beat people for it.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVELEONE COMICS
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.151853.5810@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes...
>>13. KIDDIE BOOKS
>>	All Punisher books, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Darkhawk, Sleepwalker,
>>Daredevil, Cage, Barbie, etc. are canceled without warning. This way the
> ^^^^^^^^^
>You rank Daredevil in the same league as Punisher?  Barbie and Punisher I can
>understand, but Daredevil!?!?

I can see a Punisher/Daredevil/Barbie crossover in the making, just to
boost sales on the book.  Barbie tries on some new Kelvar for the Punisher
and Daredevil because their old suits have gone out fo style. Then, the
place wouild be attacked by some rival fashion company, and our heroes
would defeat while wearing their new outfits.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.sf.written
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:13:30 GMT

>
>The first, and presumably the second, _are_ considered canonical Wild
>Cards material.
>

How?  Things that happen in the comic were rendered impossible by DEAD MAN'S
HAND.

------SCAVENGER


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From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:18:23 GMT
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <1992Apr6.155010.10468@cs.nott.ac.uk>, rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
> In article <1992Apr4.140438.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> 
> |> 2. What else have McKean or Gaiman done? I've got Black Orchid, but that's it.
> |> I heard references to something called the Books of Magic, as well as the Cages
> |> series. Any opinions/facts on/about these or anything else done by these two
> |> geniuses?
> |> 
> 
> Gaiman and McKean first (I believe) worked together on a short story called
> Violent Cases about a child who visits Al Capone's osteopath (?). I enjoyed
> it. The format is about the same size as the 2000AD collections and I think
> it was recently re-vamped with new cover art (at least in the UK). I don't
> know who published it off hand. You probably know this but Gaiman also wrote
> a novel with Terry Pratchet called `Good Omens'.
> 
> 			Rob.
> 
	He also wrote _Don't Panic_, a history of Douglas Adams' work, and 
co-authored a book I'd really like to see brought out in the US: _Ghastly 
Beyond Belief_, a collection of quotes from SF/fantasy/horror books and 
movies, with some hilarious editorial commentary. ["We'd go on, but our 
typewriter is beginning to slobber."] Unfortunately, it only seems to be 
available in England.
			--Doug
"For the record, Neil Gaiman is the one who says, 'Yes, Master,' a lot, 
and slobbers."
			--_Ghastly Beyond Belief_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Re: SPLIT: Proposed charter and poll
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:41:18 GMT

In article <sdusfwu00VB357UFEt@andrew.cmu.edu> Andrew David Weiland
<aw1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>While I'm in favor of a comics.superheros split, I don't think
>discussion should begin until the .manga issue is resolved.  It's a
>bad idea to have two heirarchy discussions about the same group at
>the same time.

I'm not sure this is necessary, or even desirable.  Part of the
rec.arts.[comics.]manga issue has been that some manga readers
disliked being at a different level of the hierarchy than the group
that discussed mostly Western comics.  If there's going to be a split
proposal that moves the rec.arts.comics material farther down the
hierarchy, this could be important for people involved in the manga
group formation process to know.

-David
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:35:48 GMT

I'll say it again, neither Gambit nor Bishop are the traitors.  There is too
much merchandising being done with the 2 of them.  Harris is pushing them as toys(Gambit this year, Bishop next)--as heroes more to the point--and he won't 
screw up his money making possibilities by screwing with one of them.
THe Gambit/Bishop thing is a ruse to generate sales.

Now storywise:  Gambit raises Bishop--fact.
	IF Bishop was the traitor--Gambit(future) would know this and kill the
 boy Bishop, before he could go back in time and kill the X-Men.
	IF Gambit was the traitor--the likely hood of him raising kids who 
become the new dream team is not high.  Since according to that stupid video of
Jean, the whole idea of the traitor was to destroy the "dream".

I personally now think that the judas will be DARK LEECH.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^

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From: jsmith@KOKO.CSUSTAN.EDU (Jill Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:25:33 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus
From: manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HELD HOSTAGE -- YEAR ONE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Black Orchid mini-series
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:32:47 GMT
Organization: Down In The Depths On the 90th Floor, Ltd.

I, too, just read this series.  I have only one question.  The various
plant-based entities were all originally folks who worked together at 
some university.  All but one were named: Black Orchid, Poison Ivy, and
Swamp Thing.  There was a fourth entity, shown in a yellow and brown panel,
whom I do not recognize (since I'm not a real big DC historian).  The only
guess I could come up with was The Scarecrow.  Who was the fourth one?  
Batman commented on this guy, too.  

Sorry I can't remember the names of that guy, but I don't keep my comics in
my office.

Michael
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:38:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades):
>>Will someone who is going to be in the same city for two months please 
>>offer to be the poller for the rac.DC/rac.INDY/rac.MARVEL split.

>    I personally have no problem with running the RFD and CFV for a
>rec.arts.comics split proposal. What we nedd to decide is this the way
>we want to split the group? Do people want a DC, Marvel, Independant
>split? I'm not so sure that this is the best of all possible splits.

Thank you for pointing out what the former poster missed, which is that
there's a lot more to splitting a group than calling a vote.

In particular, there's first the informal discussion, then (RFD) the 
formal discussion, and finally -- preferably once a consensus has been
reached as to the nature of the proposed split -- the vote (CFV).  The
reason this proposal has never reached the RFD stage, despite the fact
that it has been proposed intermittently for years, is that informal
discussions on r.a.c. consistently show consensus to be unlikely:  There
seem to be too few readers for whom a split by publisher would be helpful.

Yes, we do have an "I only read indies" contingent, and an even larger
"I never read Marvel" contingent, but they both seem relatively small.
Besides, [IMO] too much of the most interesting or useful traffic on this
group fails to fall into neat publisher categories.

The kind of reorganization that *has* been able to garner general support
is the more modest splintering off of specialized topics, such as in the
recently created r.a.c.marketplace, and in the work-in-progress r.a.c.strips.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

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  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (This is not really my name)
Subject: CEREBUS: Dave Sim in Boulder
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 12:30:12 GMT

I got a chance to talk to Dave for a minute or two as he drew a very nice
scetch of Theresa on my "First Half" poster.  I asked him directly if
the third Aardvark would be revealed in issue #158 as I had been told by
people on "the net."

He didn't even ask what "the net" was, he just said, "nothing is certain."

I also asked if we'd see Theresa again and he said "Probably not."

It did throw him for a bit of a loop when I asked for Theresa.  He stopped
for a moment and said, "Let me remember what she looks like."  When he was
done I noticed that there was a "Swords of Cerebus" with her on the cover,
but I didn't see it sooner.  Oh well, it still looks just like her. :-)

Impressions: Somehow I'd pictured him more like Jerry Garcia than David Byrne,
if you know what I mean.  He was very patient with everyone and took the
time to draw scetches for everyone.  As far as I know he didn't let slip
any interesting information that I heard, but he did say he liked the poster
framed! :-)

I wish I'd had more time, but I may run out to the Convention today and get
my Phone books signed... Just need to come up with four minor characters
for him to draw.

Why minor characters?  Well, I figure artist get sick of drawing the same
thing over and over at these "parties" and also, I would rather look at some-
one I don't see in every issue.

Now I just need to meet Neil Gaiman!


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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Wolverine
Summary: Wolverine
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:07:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Apr9.210706.17887
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Agreed.  I think Marvel won't allow any one writer to define
Wolverine's history to:
	(a) Keep us buying the books.s
	(b) Prevent having to retcon everything all the way back to his
first appearance, with at the rate their going, they'll have to do anyway.

	I just wish they would explain FULLY one aspect of his "mysterious
origin" before introducting three more.  As it stands now, with all of
the people he supposedly knows and all the adventures he's supposedly had,
he should be older than Chuck X.
					IMHO of course,
						Raythrax
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: What was Lucifer's game?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:49:24 GMT

In article <JEFFT.92Apr12224959@snoopy.mit.edu> jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:
>
>In following _Season of Mists_ the entire time, I was expecting the key to
>cause Morpheus some tragic ruinous event.  He certainl8y seemed bent on
>some sort of punishment in the issue before the Sandman arrives.  But
>instead, what happens.  Dream is inconveninced for a while with some
>guests and he gets a chance to free Nada.  The ones who really get it are
>the angels.  Now, that may have been Lucifer's intent, but the revenge on
>Morpheus seems absent. What am I missing?

Lucifer didn't count on the Creator repossessing Hell.  If that had not
been the case, there would have been no solution to Dream's problem
about the key.  There wouldn't have been a riot o' the gods on the spot,
but after everone went home (whatever decision Dream made) there would
have been a war, with Dream caught in the middle.  As it happened, nobody
wanted to fool around with the omnipotent one.

Many players weren't too interested in Hell (Chaos, Faerie) but plenty of 
others were willing to fight (the Demons, the Norse, the Nile Delta 
(possibly)).  I never got a clear idea of how far Susano-o-no-Mikoto or 
Kilderkin were willing to go for Hell, but that fits their characters.

In the long run, all that's happened is that Lucifer is out of a job, and 
his business has been bought out by the man upstairs.  Closing Hell (apart
from getting a chance to rest) was probably a ploy by Lucifer to upset the
machinery, to put a kink in what he realizes might have been the Creator's
plan all along.  But the ineffable remains ineffed, and Hell has reopened
under new management.  Now taking reservations, no coupons please.

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From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Season of Mists. What was Lucifer's game?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:50:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


In following _Season of Mists_ the entire time, I was expecting the key to
cause Morpheus some tragic ruinous event.  He certainl8y seemed bent on
some sort of punishment in the issue before the Sandman arrives.  But
instead, what happens.  Dream is inconveninced for a while with some
guests and he gets a chance to free Nada.  The ones who really get it are
the angels.  Now, that may have been Lucifer's intent, but the revenge on
Morpheus seems absent. What am I missing?
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:28:54 GMT
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>Quite frankly, I think that this is chickenfeed.  I wade through
>rec.arts.comics in a few minutes with the nn newsreader.  I don't even use
>a killfile.

While not everyone has upscale news technology (and they can't always get
it, either) I agree that rac traffic isn't bad as traffic goes.  I use a
"mark" file to save Suicide Squid and Cerebus articles, and flip through
the rest on whimsy.

>Then, frankly, I think that they should get better newsreaders.

Gee, this sounds familiar.  I may have to give you a mention in the History
of the Usenet as the champion of high-tech newsreaders :<)

Without restarting the old discussion (which involves Usenet "politics",
what exactly it means to be a Usenet site, and all the ways of reading news)
I'd like to state that this alternative is not always possible.  Whether it
is enough to warrant splitting a group depends on the readership of that
group.

>Personally I see the installation of more powerful newsreaders at every
>site as something that will have to happen eventually, as the readership
>of Usenet increases.  AND I think that it will have a much greater benefit
>to the readers than splits will.  (And you won't have to listen to me and
>others bitch about it for several months. :-)

Quite possibly.  Don't forget that news is not CNews on a dedicated Unix
machine, but is often an afterthought (say, running on the overburdened
mail server under VMS).  The Internet does not update technology nearly
as fast (as a whole) as the newer members do.  [I should note that if I
can do anything about it, we'll be running trn/xrn/NewsGrazer and CNews
with nntp here at CIS.]

>Get r.a.c up to 300 articles/day and I might agree with you.  Maybe.  140
>articles per day is nothing, IMO.

This I agree with, although I'd set the cutoff nearer 200 for rac.  The
utility of a split depends in large part on the signal to noise ratio, and
for me, the signal is still much higher than the noise.

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Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 14:01:51 EDT
From: <JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: The Shadow Strikes!

       Well, The Shadow Strikes! ends with the current issue, and
  here I am lamenting the demise of this very fine DC comic. I read
  that a different company wants to try their hand with The Shadow
  premise, but I can't help feeling that this company will have to
  have no less than God Himself on the writing staff to equal the
  writing on The Shadow Strikes.
        Oh, well, another of my top 5 favorites cancelled. My list
  of comics that I like to buy is really dwindling.


                              I now return you to your television sets...

                                            -Jimothy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: awai@warp.UWaterloo.ca (Alex Wai)
Subject: MARVEL: Spider-Man is great, but...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:59:10 GMT

Being a long time reader of the Amazing Spider-Man, I have a big complaint  
about the treatment of the supporting characters as of late, especially Mary  
Jane. In the beginning, Mary Jane was a fun-loving free-for-all person who was  
a good foil between Flash Thompson, Gwen Stacy, Harry Osborne and Peter Parker. 

Lately though, Flash has been relegated to about one appearance a year. Gwen  
Stacy is of course deceased. Harry has been turned psycho/not-psycho/psycho
more times than I care to remember. Even J. Jonah hasn't seen much action  
lately. Even with 4 Spider-Man books to appear in, Mary Jane is the only one to  
regularly appear in other books besides Amazing Spider-Man. 

What's worse, ever since Todd McFarlane was given "free license" to do what he  
pleased with the characters, and in doing so, gave Mary Jane this stupid  
looking perm, no one else has had the boldness to change it back to the way she  
looked originally. Pick up any Mary Jane drawing from 1988 and back, and you  
will see the difference.

Today, Mary Jane has become a snivelling idiot nagging wife who won't shut up  
with only one line to say, "Oh, I hope Peter's alright".

BRING BACK THE OLD SPIDEY THE WAY IT USED TO BE and STOP WITH THIS RECENT HOT  
CHARACTER CROSS-OVER CRAP.

I love Spidey and I'll continue reading it through thick and thin. But I really  
hope I don't have to endure much more of this before I go crazy.
From: clk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES LAYFIELD KEMMERER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Killing Joke (help needed)
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:14:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

My friend recently gave me some of his comics and among them was a copy of
Batman:The Killing Joke.  The problem is that I don't know how to tell if its
a first printing or not.  It has red printing on the cover if that helps.
Please e-mail me with any responses.


                            Thanks,
                            Chuck Kemmerer
                            clk0@lehigh.ns1.edu

                            
From: Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy)
Sender: USENET@p0.f2.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: YES!!!
Date: 11 Apr 92  17:24:40 CST

On Apr 07, Phillip J. Birmingham wrote to All:
 PJ>         Up until last night, I was not opposed to a split of r.a.c.
 PJ>    However, the fact is that a split would be personally inconvenient.
 PJ>    This is compounded by what I see as an offensive degree of snobbery 
 PJ>    on the part of a few split proponents. If this ever comes to a vote, 
 PJ>    I'll vote no.

Where do you see snobbery?  Because they don't like the same type of comics 
that you like?

What I find offensive are the posts from the "get a REAL newsreader" faction, 
who think that because they have the latest software available on their system 
(most likely with someone *else* maintaining it), everyone should have the 
latest software for dealing with news, and TOO BAD for those that don't.
  


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From: DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.020620.7757@wam.umd.edu>
rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake) writes:

>	My gut feeling tells me that Bishop is the traitor of the X-Men,
>after all, he has the power, knowlege, and strength to take them all on 
>and win!!!!!!!!

This makes sense. It would explain why Gambit never told Bishop much about
himself (when in the future) to give himself more chance of surviving the
betrayal...


Matthew T
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: finals poll addend
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:03:27 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Somebody just sent me  a Top Ten List.  It's too late to include, 
but I want to add from the list, "Addams Family" and "Dick Tracy" because 
they were not mentioned on anyone else's list.