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From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:04:30 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman) writes:

> What's all the heat about The Birdsong Company's license terms?  I
> just don't get it. What am I missing?

You're missing the fact that you are distributing software which
is a royal pain to evaluate, as some have already voiced.  And
from what I've heard, I don't even want to TOUCH software which
tries to SCARE YOU WITLESS into compliance to your licensing
terms, which by themselves are brutal enough.  According to your
0.93 licensing terms, you give your for-profit and not-for-profit
terms as follows:

BEGIN------
Individuals and for-profit enterprise may install and try WFS for
up to 30 days. If you intend to use WFS beyond the trial period,
you must license it. Your cost is $10.00 US, for each machine on
which WFS is run. Deep discounts and quantity terms are
available. Ask me.

Not-for-profit enterprise and and government agencies must
license WFS before using it. A license for not-for-profit
enterprise and for government agencies is $120.00 US, for each
machine on which WFS is run. There are no site licenses, no
discounts. I'm not fooling!
END  ------

Earth to Lawrence Hardiman, come in Hardiman!  Why give
non-profit folks the shaft?  How many of them do you know that
can afford this?

THAT is the main thing I'm flaming you on, and well-deservedly,
too.

> There are 2 competitors to
> WFS out there.

Thank God!  (in my best Crow T. Robot voice)

> My imagination suggests only larceny in the hearts
> of those who complain so loudly.

Bushwah!  The only person who should be accused of larceny is
you!

$17 may be reasonable for the a regular user, and dirt cheap for
a for-profit organization, but a price some 500% to 1000% higher
and no quantity discounts or even site licenses for non-profit
enterprises is about as larcenous (being too kind), rather
curmudgeonly (naaah, still being too NICE), better yet,
COLD-HEARTED as you can get!

I don't get it; what is it that you have against non-profit
organizations?  Many of them provide wonderful services, many on
a shoestring budget, some with only volunteers filling some of
their ranks!

> Nothing else I could imagine
> would suggest such animosity.

I think the couple of paragraphs two paragraphs ago was
explanation enough.

> Am I wrong?

About as much as the Pope is Catholic.

So, let me put it to you simply.  I do not evaluate crippleware
nor do I evaluate "scareware".
From: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle File Server
Keywords: Birdsong
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:19:26 GMT
Organization: The Business Card (BBS), Lawrence, MA - Data: 508-682-5329

Greetings!

Awhile ago, I was lamenting the documentation for Birdsong's Waffle File
server, scoring the company on what, in my opinion, is overly-scary 
software protection.  They required that you agree to pay sums of money 
over $100,000 for violating their copyright.

I received a very nice letter from Mr. Lawrence T. Hardiman, the author, 
explaining his company's policy.  I was impressed as it points to his 
willingness to support that which he writes.  In addition, the $17 he 
asks for registration is, indeed, inexpensive enough.  Still, I replied, 
I couldn't agree to his terms as it was simply too scary for me and that 
I would continue my search for a mail-server for my system.

Mr. Mike Batchelor, a very helpful gentleman, wrote to me that I might 
consider contacting rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca on his V-Mail system.  Mr. 
Batchelor suggests that it works like the BITNET listservs, does file 
serving and handles mailing lists for $30 and no threats.  :-)  V-Mail 
apparently requires Waffle 1.64 or 1.65.  I'm going to write Rick this very
afternoon.  In the meantime, I'd appreciate any other comments on
mail/file-servers as I remain;

                   Your friend in Lawrence, Massachusetts...
                                - - - Murph

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From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: NEWUSERS w/beta 9
Summary: New User Account Creations
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:21:06 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Seismic Control District, San Diego, CA / Node 2

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:

> Try changing it to:
> 
>        RMAIL -u%1 -f%1 -sNew_User_Aboard mikey < C:\WAFFLE\SYSTEM\NEWUSER.NO

Works perfectly.  Thanks for the tip...Now I get the reminder
without checking the /requests file.

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From: root@warell.lonestar.org (Postmaster Account)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Color Settings
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:33:43 CDT
Organization: LEON R. LUTZ (Home System)

Can someone email me settings for a DOS run WAFFLE 1.64
I cannot get the settings in the static file to bring up
the screen colors. Would appreciate help.
From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:22:00 GMT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:

> Say, ummmm, has anyone taken a look at the Waffle File Server by 
> Birdsong?  Doesn't that look a little too scary to be worth it?
> 
> I mean, those large sums of money mentioned in the docs for modifying 
> things, allowing registered versions to get around, etc.  I'm talking 
> about those sums over $100,000.00!!
> 
> Jeepers, man, I don't mind registering my software and all that but I 
> think Birdsong's gone off the deep end with this one!  I'm not a 
> programmer so I wouldn't have the foggiest idea on how to modify the 
> software but I do wonder about my sysoping skills now and again.  I can 
> just see me screwing something up and somehow somebody gets ahold of my 
> registered version of WFS and this BirdDog coming after me for 
> $147,800.00 smackeroos!  Lordy, would that ruin my day or WHAT?!?  :-)
> 
>                                 - - - Murph

That's one of the reasons why I use Rick Vandenberg's
VMail-System mailserver software.  Besides, I think version 1.12
of the software is quite crippled, and I don't make it a habit of
evaluating crippled software.

Lawrence Haridman, what planet are you on?  Your licensing terms are
unreasonable.  I may be sounding matter-of-factly in stating this, and
it is very much fact, I'm only excruciatingly understating it.
What's more appropriate is ferociously greedy, and IMHO, that's
STILL being NICE.  Why do set out to make your software
unaffordable by non-profit agencies?  (Fees being $120 per
machine in the 0.93 docs.)  I mean, no site licenses, no quantity
discounts?  I mean buying ONE COPY of your software in EXECUTABLE
form in the environment of a small agency is like buying the
SOURCE CODE TO WAFFLE _ITSELF_!!!!  If your licensing policies
are this terrible,

Basically, Mr. Hardiman, you are money-grubbing scum!  Evidently,
your voracious greed sees no limits.  Furthermore, you give
legitimate shareware authors a bad name.

I call upon all Wafflers who plan to set up a mailserver to go
with either Budi Rahardjo's ASER or Rick Vandenberg's V-Mail
Server.  Birdsong is for the Birds!

So take your software and your lousy licensing terms and shove it
where the sun don't shine, Mr. Hardiman!
From: zeta@yngbld.gwinnett.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle + VOice Mail
Date: 19 Jul 92 05:11:16 GMT
Organization: TCS Consulting Services, Peachtree City, GA

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:

> hho@usc.edu (*** N.T.K.C.D. ***) writes:
> 
> > I wonder if anyone has any experience with an automatic telephone
> > line switcher.
> > 
> > On my computer, 
> > 	Voice Mail card (for answering machine) Com1
> > 	Waffle com2
> > 
> > I am looking for some device that will automatically switch 
> > between the Voice mail card (or answering machine) and the
> > modem when it answer :-)))
> > I saw a number of them advertise, but how good are they? I mean
> > will they work reliablely? :-))
> 
> No such animal. Theres no way that any device can tell the difference
> between a voice and a modem call. A fax machine sends an intermittant
> tone that enable fax switches to work.
> 
> The switches you are looking at most likely require you to enter an
> access code to get to the modem. Not very practical if your running
> a public bbs.

Another option would be to get Smart Ring (or whatever you have in your area 
if the phone company supports this) and to get a device that interprets the 
ring signal (line1= long ring, line2= short short, etc) and redirects that 
way.  They average about 60 bucks I'm told, and work reliably once 
configured.  From what I understand the configuration process may take some 
time to get just right.  Another nice thinga bout these... they do not pick 
up the line (thus starting the ld cost for long distance callers) to direct 
the call, they listen to the incoming ring, redirect to another port, and 
let the other device answer if they want to.


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From: mvdl@et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Editors in Waffle
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:14:21 +0200
Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering

I know there's something about editors in the FAQ-list, but I really don't
take that seriously... (Telling me to switch to 1.65 while this release isn't
even public yet... ! I thinks it's a very cowardly way to answer a question.
OK, so much for critisism, this was meant for the creator of the FAQ list).

Anyway, I'm playing with waffle 1.64.

I was trying to set up FSED for waffle, and as you might gues, I couln't get
things started.

First I tried to set it up in the _editors files, but here the editor could
not be discovered at all (what the h*ck is the use of this file ????)

Then I created a file with the filename equal to the command I wanted to use
to call the editor with the right configs. This seemed to work, except for one
thing: The input file is never found...

While on a DOS commandprompt, the editor works fine, but when called from waffle
, somehow the filename is not passes through correctly.. (the %i parameter is
included, I have : /command="c:\mail\waffle\editors\fsed.exe +c:\mail\waffle\edi
tors\wordstar.cfg +c:\mail\waffle\editors\dosansi.cfg %i") 

When would call the editor on the waffle-prompt with 'ed test.txt' (ed is the
name of the extern-commandfile for the editor) then waffle responds with 
'test.txt Not found, sorry'

What's going wrong here ? (it's not that you have to make sure the file
exists first.... (would be a bad thing, if this is). No problems occur on the 
doscommandprompt, and the error also occurs when the file DOES explicitely exist

Any suggestions ? 

TIA,
Michel.

(PS: Are there .cfg files to make FSED look like Qedit ? Or is there perhaps
a redirectional editor that is similar to Qedit ?)

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
Subject: Re: Questions from a Greenie.
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:59:04 GMT

In article <g5mJoB1w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-morpheus@jwt.UUCP writes:

> 1) Is it possible to put ANSI colour codes in prompts, etc?  Is there a 
> way to give an ANSI toggle for users?  (like have two separate menus - 
> one ANSI, one ASCII?)  As you can see, that's a leftover thing of mine 
> from WWIV... I do like making ANSI artwork, but I don't want to scare the 
> fertilizer out of non-ANSI users with buckets of garbage.

This is not supported in Waffle.  The author either doesn't think it's
a good idea to implemnt it, or is planning to do it in the future.

If you have 1.65b10 then there's a hack you can do to make it work.
At the moment I have three terminal settings: vt100 , ansi and none
which are equivalent to Searchlight's [C]olour, [M]ono, and
[N]one.

> 3) What about full-screen editors?

FSED seems to be the best one for most users -- on halcyon.com.
There's also BBSTEVIE (vi clone), WWIVEDIT (doesn't work very well)
and the Qedit like editor which doesn't work well either (sends
line of text for every keypress etc which makes it slow over modem).



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From: mick@wanda.ob.open.de (Michael Reichelt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Some Problems....
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:27:30 GMT
Organization: A Fish.

Hi,

you, fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (William C Fenner) write:

> >Every time someone calls in with 38.4 my modem (ZyXEL 1496E) creates
> >the connection and then waffle kills it.
> 
> Try this:
> Lock your FOSSIL at 38400 .  Then you can tell Waffle anything you like for
> speed: and locked: .  Make sure you initialize the modem to ATX6, so that it
> responds with the line speed instead of the DTE speed.
> 
I tried it, but it does not work. I allways get the number -27... in
the CALLERS-File and problems with the incomming connections because waffle
allways kills the connection when starting the uucico in slave role.

> >Then I have a question about the admin command. In version 1.65 I miss
> >a function to list all users with their access level as it was possible
> >in 1.64.
> The external program SYSMAN has taken over this functionality.  Look at
> SYSMAN.DOC .  I'm not sure if this is finished or not yet, especially since
> you didn't say which beta release of 1.65 you have.
> 
No, in my version it does not have this functionality, I know that there
is a function in it to show Information about the users but it only
shows the names of the users. Maybe that Tom did not finish this function..
(?)...
I use the waffle 1.65 beta 9.... (and I am waiting to get beta 10)...

> >Is there any way to get a list in the way I want to get it ?
> If "sysman list" doesn't do what you want, I have a perl program that will.
> Send me E-mail if you want it.
> 
That would be very nice, many thanks.

Michael.


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From: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:23:37 GMT
Reply-To: "Lawrence T. Hardiman" <larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US>
Organization: The Birdsong Company, PO Box 2031, Sunnyvale CA 94087-2031

patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:

> In article <eNRFoB1w165w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
> > He ain't got nerves.  He's got balls!  :-)  And I'd like to spend
> > some time with him in a room with no escape alone for half an
> > hour while I beat the crap out of him!
> 
> This is getting stupid ...
> ... saying you want to
> "beat the crap out of him" is not very intelligent.

Thank you Pat.

Yes, I'm a bit "off". Being a bit eccentric is one of the joys and
priveleges of being a productive member of society.  The reason I
charge government and not-for-profits more than I charge
individuals and for-profits is to recover the taxes I paid for
things I don't want, don't get, and don't approve of. That is my
choice.

There are alternatives to WFS: V-mail, by Rick Vandenberg, and ASER
by Budi Ruhardo. If you do not like the terms for WFS, then use my
competitor's products. 'Tis no skin off my nose.

I specify penalties for misusing WFS to discourage cheap twits from
stealing my work. That's all. The license fee of $17 is cheap.  I
have a number of licensees who seem to like the product. That is
satisfaction to me. For my licensees, I attempt to provide
technical support and bug fixes promptly. To meet my competition,
specifically V-Mail, I am working on mail-server features now.  My
existing licensees will get free upgrades, when issued.  The price
for new licensees of WFS when the new features are released may go
up.

What's all the heat about The Birdsong Company's license terms?  I
just don't get it. What am I missing?  There are 2 competitors to
WFS out there.  My imagination suggests only larceny in the hearts
of those who complain so loudly.  Nothing else I could imagine
would suggest such animosity.  Am I wrong?


Regards,
  larry

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Larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Dynamically changing 'Reply-To' headers.
Keywords: dos waffle 1.65 beta 9
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

Hi everyone:

This is probably going to be difficult to explain, but here goes:

I have 2 neighbours, 'ember' and 'micor'.  I get a decent news feed from 
'ember' and a couple news groups from 'micor'.  Due to ONET regulations, 
any Internet/USENET mail originating from my site *must* enter via 
'micor', not 'ember' as I am not an ONET member.  To complicate matters 
further, I *can* send mail via 'ember', providing mail is bound for ember 
or ember's closest neighbour, 'qucis' (as no ONET circuitry is involved).

Here's the problem.  I need some way of dynamically changing my 
'Reply-To' header depending on where my mail is going.

If bound for Internet/USENET via 'micor', no problem, default is fine.
(The default in my case would be 'frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca')

If bound for a user on 'ember', it should be 'vicuna!frampton' so a user 
on 'ember' would bang it back to me when replying (this is a must for 
reply to work there, as 'ember' is blessed with a simple mailer).

If bound for a user on 'qucis' (ember's closest neighbour), the Reply-To 
header should become 'ember!vicuna!frampton'.  This allows users on 
'qucis' to reply to me and have it arrive here on my site within minutes. 
If they reply to one of my notes with the default header then I don't see 
the message until the next day!  (I poll 'micor' once daily).

Currently I modify the headers manually using the 'HEAD' command when 
sending mail, but it would be great if there was a way to do this 
automatically.  The 'paths' file is great for altering 'To' headers 
depending on where something is going, a facility to allow dynamically 
changing 'From' or 'Reply-To' headers would be nice as well.

Please respond via e-mail if you have a solution, I will be more than 
happy to follow-up here with a summary of replies received.

Thanks in advance.

----------------------------------------------------
frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle/Coherent?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:58:39 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

rick@ssg.com (Rick Emerson) writes:

> Why not use Linux or 386BSD?  The price is right (free!) and both are large
> model systems.  I prefer Linux but if you want or need TCP/IP, go with
> 386BSD.
>
> Linux comes in several variants; I recommend either mcc-interim.0.96c or the
> tamu variant of mcc (it includes X11R5 tuned for Linux).  Look on
> TSX-11.mit.edu for mcc-interim and sc.tamu.edu for the version with XWS.
>

TCP/IP would be attractive, since I have a mind to convert my novell file
server to this purpose.  Is there a specific reason you went with Linux?  How
does Waffle do on it?



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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Hello?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:09:35 GMT

jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas) writes:

>where have you been we've had the color response as well as a v42 fest 
>recently...BTW does anyone know if the colors: line in static is broken 
>or is it just on my dos box that it doesn't work!!

It's your dos box.  Try colors : 7 15 112 and let me know what
happens.  Color changes generally affect the status bar.

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From: rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 10:21:02 PDT
Organization: Vandenberg Systems Research, Vancouver BC

patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:

> Larry has written some useful freeware software for
> Waffle and it's HIS choice which terms he attaches to WFS and your
> choice whether to use the package.

I have to agree with Pat here.  I'll admit I was turned off WFS in a BIG
way by the restrictions, but there is a choice of software. If WFS was
the only package around I'd be really angry, but it's not.

I hope Larry doesn't take personally some of the comments I've seen over
the past few months. I mean, if people said those things about me, it
would probably ruin my day.

As for the outrageous sums demanded, I'll bet they're a result of trying
to make a half-joking comment, and writing it while he was angry.
Sometimes my humour comes off the wrong way too.

Rick.

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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FSE for waffle ?
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 07:21:50 CDT
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 238 6388

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

| Damn!  I wish Erin did news!  Hey, bheess!  Stop watchin das blinken
| lights and get mit das programming, ya?

Erin doesn't, but Amanda will..... and the programming has begun... :-)

Durn, I said too much already - giving away secrets.. :-)

It's all I can do to keep from working on Erin.  Also, considering how
FredGate uses *.PKTs (an approach I had not considered) I keep wondering
how Erin would be with *.PKT instead of *.MSG ... would save people from
having to have dual message (*.MSG and /user/foo/*) areas ... Hmmmm.

Amanda will use packets ... so you won't need to set up a full set of
FidoShtuff to create *.MSG.  After all, if you run Waffle, who needs
them OTHER things?  :-)


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