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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 13:18:50 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

grant@bluemoon.use.com (Grant DeLorean) writes:

>  Illiteracy is a plague on the net these days...  Read the last line
> of the original post, then the reply I followed up to. Why don't people
> read what they are going to reply to? Sheesh...

I tried to send you a mail response, but mail to your site bounces:

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To: grant@bluemoon.use.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
From: willard!dawson
Message-Id: <iZJoVB9w165w@willard.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:34:05 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

This is a mail reply.

<The remainder has been deleted for privacy reasons.>

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From: davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: % codes?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:23:21 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #8, Edmonton, AB, Canada

spooge@sizone.uucp (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep) writes:

- Does anyone have a full list of % codes?
- 
- I generated a TEST file in WORDS which is laid out like
- 
- A ~%A
- 
- to try and figure it out myself, but some of its pretty ambiguous.
- There's no complete list in the docs anywhere.
- 

    Sure there is.  It's the last section of STATIC.DOC under the 
heading "Percent Variables".

Dave McCrady              davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: USENET news <-> Fido echoes
Keywords: FIDO gateway newsgroups conversion
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:35:26 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

mlewis@wplace.UUCP (Mark Lewis) writes:

| it has been pointed out to me that BBS's running as point systems and
| allowing their users R/W access to echomail areas is subject to local
| (NET) policy for that net...
| 
| the net that i was in in virginia ruled that point systems that were
| BBS's could not allow their users access to the echo areas.

The net I am a part of (Net 121) also adheres to this policy, though
I found out sort of by accident.  I did not see the need to announce
that I was carrying Fidonet echos, but some one let slip that
as long as I did not allow others to read my incoming Fido echos,
I was okay as a point.  So now, I have a node entry as well as a point
entry.

| i should also point out that in most cases, points are a temporary
| thing. this is because points are also used as a training ground so that
| those running point systems could learn what FIDO was about and how it
| operates. with this information, a point system could then make a
| determination as to whether or not they wanted to become a full node or
| not...

This is in some cases true, but I know many points who are that way
because the operator does not want to get mired in Fight-o-net wars
or demented policies and policy wars.  I also know several sysops
who run points, so they don't tie up the bbs pc for reading echos
and replying to their mail.


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:10:48 GMT

In article <Zq6oVB3w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
|home
|dir c:\waffle
|dir
|
|I'll warrant you're not in Kansas (or your user directory), anymore!

I think this is fixed in 1.66:

(public) 9:49p (882 left) (?=help) : cd d:/spool

/spool

(public) 9:49p (882 left) (?=help) : dir h:/fw

fwl.exe        94893   06-Dec-88   
fwl.hlp        28584   06-Dec-88   

(public) 9:50p (882 left) (?=help) : pwd

/spool

(public) 9:50p (882 left) (?=help) : ver

Waffle v1.66b1 compiled 12.6.92


  Bill
From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RE: .QWK MAIL READER FOR
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:29:36 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen)  writes:

> abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes
>  AA> An new product (for DOS) soon to be released is Robomail.  It 
>  AA> combines the features of an offline reader with a full 
>  AA> communications package. 
> 
> I take it, then, that this package is supposed to rival 1stReader from 
> Sparkware?  If you've seen a beta copy of Robocomm, and you've used 
> 1stReader, I'd be interested in your comparisons.
> 
Hello Jonathan,

Yes, I have used 1stReader.  1stReader was originally designed as a "1st"
off-line reader and comm package for the non-initiated; it is designed
to attract and introduce people to BBSing.  In its last few upgrades it
is has evolved into a bigger thing far removed from it's original market.
1stReader "looks" nice; 3d-like graphics using plain ansi, nice LARGE
buttons for mouse interface control.  But it primarily targets PCBoard
BBS (no interface templates for other BBS-types); there is a script
language support, but I never played with it.  The interface is
primarily designed for "on-line" use, although it has automated
capability.

Robomail will cater to most known BBSs (templates built-in) and maybe
even Compuserve.  The author originally planned a separate product for a
Compuserve interface, but I think he is integrating it into Robomail as
well.  Unlike 1stReader, Robomail is primarily designed for automated
use.

Robomail is out in beta.


---  August Abolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
From: Martin Welk <mw@pandora.mei.open.de>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Disk Cache causes **HEADER ERRORS**
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:29:55 MET
Reply-To: Martin Welk <mw@pandora.mei.open.de>
Organization: 1st OPeN site in Saxony, Germany

randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid) writes:

() With all the people having **header errors** I thought I should
() mention a solution that helped me.
()
() When you are using a disk cache (I use Hypercache) with deferred
() writes, the disk driver kicks in occasionally to flush the cache.
() When doing this it takes over the cpu while it does its writing
() to disk. (At least this is what happens with Hypercache).  This
() causes lost characters between the cpu and modem.
()
() The result was that my system was aborting uucico sessions quite often
() after reporting **header errors**.  Myfix was to disable the disk
() cache before calling uucico, and restoring it after uucico was
() complete.

I use NCACHE, the Norton Cache provided with the Norton Utilities.
It has a write-cache option, too, and works fine. It doesn't make
any disk writes if there is still enough space in the cache buffer
(on my machine just 512 KByte) when the CPU is busy with other
things (especially receiving data from my modem). In a pause between
two files or if - with a long distance call - an error occurs the
modems have to correct the cache gets time to save. I say it's like
my machine wipes away the sweat, saves data on disk and takes a
deep breath to get ready to receive the next files: it's just a
286/10 but I haven't had the problem you described yet.
I use a TKR highspeed modem (V.32bis), a _slow_ machine (286/10), a
_slow_ disk but X00 and Waffle 1.65 work good. I don't have a 16550
chip. I don't know it sure but X00 just recognizes a 16450.
I think I'll get problems if the data that comes over the modem
doesn't fit to the cache. But I haven't tried it yet.
--
Martin Welk, D-O-8250 Meissen       mw@pandora.mei.open.de / mw@pandora.sax.de
Okay, everybody lie down on the floor and keep calm !
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Distributions list
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:10:33 -0800
Organization: The GRAFex Company

In <FRyHVB1w165w@eternal.chi.il.us> jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) writes:
>     Hi folks! Recently, I've uncovered a fairly thorough list of approved
>entries for DISTRIBUTED fields, courtesy of the rec.games.frp.* folks, of
>all people. Hereunder is the list, with my compliments.
>                              -- Jeff

Add:

sbay: Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties, CA

steve

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From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:23:25 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

In article <RZm3VB4w165w@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:
>I know that.  I didn't do it because I didn't think my site qualified for
>either .com (not a company) or .org (not an organization or domain park).

I was always under the impression that .org was a catch-all for sites that
didn't fit in anything else.  It's possible I'm wrong, of course. :-)

--Ken
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:25:21 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

N. Richard Caldwell <nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us> writes:

> I had heard that there was some talk of updating the QWK standard.  It
> seems to me that if you could designate a particular value for the message
> status flag to indicate that the message text is a USENET style (I forget
> the RFC number, sue me :) message including headers, it *might* not break
> current QWK mail readers.  That way, future QWK mail readers could handle
> news articles and mail more effectively.

Extremely dicey. Let's put this into perspective. QWK was developed for
the PC BBS world, and it does a good job at that task. Usenet was, I
think, born out of larger Unix systems. Larger or not, we are talking
DOS and Unix, and two totally and seperate origins. Now, with the advent
of such software as Waffle, suddenly the home PC user can access Usenet
news, and they want to read news off-line. You are trying to close the
convergence of these two worlds by setting one message status flag in
the QWK format?

I heard the rumors of the QWK format being updated as well, some time
ago. I have seen no results whatsoever. And even if the format of the
packet is updated to handle both Usenet and current QWK-compatible
messages, the current QWK readers would most definately have to be
redone to handle the new format efficiently and as intended. Simple
hacks wouldn't be enough.

I'm not so sure about the concept of a swiss army reader and message
format that will do everything. Yeah, it'd be dandy to have things
that standardized, but it isn't going to happen in the near future,
and in my opinion, it isn't going to be an outgrowth of QWK.

In the time being, what is wrong with using RNEWS format batches for
off-line reading of Usenet news and mail? It is by definition compatible
with any system platform which handles news. All that is lacking is an
existing off-line reader software base, because the application of such
a reader is relatively new.

--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: From NOBODY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:36:43 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

dawson@hobbes.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:

> The experienced PKUNZIP'er will know that it makes sense not to unzip a
> zipfile over an existing directory.... e.g., to do something like:
> 
> 				pkunzip -d waf165 newwaf\

I heartily agree.  After several betas, the habit was

pkunzip -d newwaffle a:\
diff a:\waffle\docs\history.doc c:\waffle\docs\history.doc

After a few minutes of exploring, I'd diff all the docfiles.  Then,
selectively install the new binaries and such (so I didn't lose my
16-bit default compression).  I still have a virgin unzip close at hand
for reference.

(4dos users: try 'copy /cr a:\waffle\bin\*.* c:\waffle\bin', so you know
just what's newer and what's being replaced)
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:38:26 GMT

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>You two have a bug that I don't?  Can't be possible!  I have my system
>spread over 3 logical and 2 physical drives.  How can I cause this magic
>directory shift?

When the Waffle-from-Hell was in its heyday (1300 newsgroups, 12 UUCP
and USENET neighbors), I ran a DoubleDISK setup that placed binaries,
etc. on E:, the news spool on F: and G:, the user spool on H:, etc.,
all the way to L: (the ramdrive).  Two physical, nine logical.  Aside
from forgetting what was where (it's that CRS Syndrome), there weren't
any problems.

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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:17:03 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

| jerryg@jaiser.rain.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
| 
| >kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
| 
| >> I have about 150 users now - and I prune the once-only callers mercilessly
| >> once every two months. Of those 150 users, perhaps a dozen or two have tak
| >> the _time_ to download the docs and really learn how to use Waffle - they'
| 
| >While I'm new to waffle and my user list is _much_ smaller than this, my
| >experience has also been that nobody reads the user manual. My welcome scree
| >explictly tells you where to find it and recommends downloading. I have
| >had _ZERO_ downloads of the manual.
| 
| One could always dump the user manual, system fluff, etc. to a new
| user in a mail message.  They complete the login questionnaire, enter
| the system, and voila!  They have MAIL!  At that point, the training
| begins, as they work their way through the mail menus.

I do this, and I have *VERY FEW* users who actually bother to READ THEIR
MAIL!!!!!

It may take a FORCED tutoring session to actually get the steenkin' new
users to read their new mail or read the docs....

But I don't loose any sleep over it - it just means that the people who
stick around are of a much higher caliber and intelligent to boot.  The
Smurfs can go play on some kiddie board...


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Fidonet: David Douthitt 1:121/23        |
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: parser for admin/mail
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:27:35 GMT

In article <4q8NVB2w165w@visavis.uucp> abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
|Another Waffler confirmed
|this and pointed me to the "end of the USER.DOC file".  The END of the
|file! great... the FIRST place any normal person would look for such
|information. (sarcastic)

Unfortunately, there's so much information that might be important in
one situation or another that all the important information can't be
put at the top of the document.  For example, when you were having your
WAFFLE file problem, it was very important to know that commands in a
file named WAFFLE will be executed when you log in.  However, if you're
not having trouble with it, then the WAFFLE file is just a neat feature
that you can put off learning about until later.

The only answer is to read all the manuals, all the way through.  Keep
them next to the john, or read bits before you go to bed, or whatever.
Just plow your way through them.  I read most of the manuals before I
tried setting up my Waffle, and had none of the startup pains that I so
often see people talking about on comp.bbs.waffle .

  Bill
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Very Big Waffle bug!!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:50:51 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> > I'd steer clear of NDOS.  Yes, that's just a personal bias.  I have come
> > across an example of a commercial application that won't run at all with
> > NDOS... Polytron Version Control System.  I'm fairly cynical of NDOS's
> > chances at providing a clean environment.
> 
> I'd suggest he move to 4dos 4.01, since NDOS is a slight enhancement of
> the older 3.03 4dos.  Personally, I've had no compatibility problems at
> all with Waffle and 4dos.  (or 4dos and anything else, but I never tried
> PVCS)

I use PVCS and 4DOS.  It works as well as can be expected.  (PVCS 5 is a real
dog -- don't upgrade yet.  Their support sucks.)


mathew
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: dbjones@encore.com (Dan Jones)
Subject: waffle in 407 area?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:34:17 GMT
Keywords: Brevard, Florida

I've skimmed some of this group and waffle sounds pretty neat.
Is there and waffle boards near/in Melbourne, Florida?
Please send e-mail, I don't get to read the news everyday.

			Thanx
				Dan Jones
From: mlewis@wplace (Mark Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Can't reach mlewis@wplace.uucp
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: mlewis%wplace@cssnet.UUCP
Organization: The Waffle House, Waldo's Place USA


mike@arts.com (Mike Witt) writes:
> If you see this, I can't route mail to 'wplace.uucp', but
> I just wanted to thank you for the configuration tips.
> -Mike

i see it... i'm still waiting on the maps to be updated... i don't 
remember what the tips were, but you are welcome -=B-)

)\/(ark

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From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: UUCICO SPEED
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:53:41 GMT

In article <a51LVB9w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) writes:
|Fer crissake! Read the bloody standards! If you are using v42bis, you
|are automatically using MNP5, as it is the fallback standard.

Um... which v.42bis are you using?  You're not talking about the CCITT's
v.42bis.

|V42bis is a COMPRESSION standard which incorporates MNP5 and V42

v.42bis is a compression standard which has nothing to do with MNP5, and
requires an error corrected connection.  v.42 is the usual means of getting
an error corrected connection with v.42bis, but that doesn't mean you couldn't
have a different means.

|V42    is an error correction standard which incorporates MNP2,3 and 4

v.42 has nothing to do with MNP2,3, or 4, other than that they are all error
correction mechanisms, and both v.42 and MNP4 strip start and stop bits.

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (and the eyes in his head see the World spinning round)
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:09:14 GMT

In article <q8uuVB10w165w@iowegia.uucp> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
>     [ Usenet : comp.bbs.waffle ] > solar
>     SOLAR v0.23 : Copyright (C) 1992, 1993  Kevin J. Houle

	[...]

>What does this create? A .zip file containing one file in rnews format
>for each newsgroup, and one controlling index file looking like so :
>
>comp.bbs.misc 98.NWS 6
>comp.bbs.waffle 99.NWS 9
>rec.humor.funny 100.NWS 8
>
>A single .exe file reader, no big sprawling UUCP setup with directories
>all over the place, uses this index to access rnews batch files. The
>byte information in the '#! rnews' lines is used to seek out articles.
>Now, the problems you speak of, mail and replies, I haven't dealt with
>yet, but the whole concept is seeming very feasible.

Aye, that last sentence is the catch.  I don't think I'd find your
reader useful in its current state.  Posting and mailing conveniently
is an important part of an off-line reader.  Intuition tells me that
mail and posting is the more difficult chunk of the problem-- but
then, you're writing the code; I wish you well :)

While I'm at it--can I urge you to make your host-end code usable on
Unix systems?  I could lend a hand...

-- 
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From: cdescent@bnet.uucp (Lamer Yep Thats Me)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Messages in the .UUCP "domain"
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:20:17 CST
Organization: None

testing again!

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Barf Codes
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:50:15 GMT

In article <22BNVB2w165w@cithara.login.qc.ca> system@cithara.login.qc.ca (cithara) writes:
|[barf nnna5] 
|
|What do these barf codes mean?

It's when Waffle is waiting for a result code from the modem (i.e. RING,
CONNECT, whatever) and gets something that it doesn't think looks like
a result code.  In this case, it got "nnna5" from the modem, which I don't
think looks like a result code either.

  Bill