HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Homos in the bible
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:00:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.064742.5765@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>
>You can get a chapter full of discussion on this in the book "Jonathan
>Loved David: Homosexuality in Biblical Times" by Tom Horner (1978)

Was that the same Tom Horner who was Brad Armstrong's tag-team partner?
Probably not!
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
"If you click on its capital, Ouagadougou, you'll hear its name
pronounced--in this instance, a most helpful feature."  
                                  --PC Magazine, 92/12/22, pg 352
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re:
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 23:00:09 GMT

smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
>> In article <1hv70lINN69f@hp-col.col.hp.com> Walter Smith,
>> smithw@col.hp.com writes:
>> >I don't think that would work, unless your job evaluations showed you 
>> >really *were* a bad employee.  And WHY would a company fire a good 
>> >employee *just* because he is gay?  
>> 
>> I'm not sure, but I think the management of "Cracker Barrel"
>> could answer your question.

>Yeah, there are going to be some idiots.  (come on, come on, 
>quite giggling..)   But do 'normal' companies do this? 

Anti-discrimination laws exist to prevent blatant "isms" against people
from going unrecognized and unpunished.  Discrimination doesn't have to
be "normal" within a community for such anti-discrimination laws to be
put in place (just as a community doesn't have to be a den of theives
before laws against stealing are put into effect).  Ironically, Amd 2
will likely make blatant discrimination against gay people more common,
perhaps even "normal."  And a norm of discrimination is a good case for
enacting quotas - the very thing you claim Colorado voters voted for
Amd 2 to prevent!

--
--Suzanne Morine          smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
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From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:30:06 GMT

In article <BzMMD3.1Gwp@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. 
Weiss) writes:
...
>Let me try to understand this:  using proper English "him/her"
>and "she/he" is the equivalent to using the improper, scatalogical
>and racist word "nigger."
...

I didn't know that "nigger" is scatological.  Who says so?

-Tom Albright

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From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: MOW '93: Offical Travel Agents
Organization: Real/Time Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 18:43:47 GMT

Rod Williams (rjwill6@PacBell.COM) wrote:
: > tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
: 
: >If someone has the offical travel agents handy, please post them here.
: >Thanks!
: 
: I'm not sure how these geographical segments are defined,
: but here goes anyway...
: 
: "EAST"       Capital Travel      800-800-9009
: "CENTRAL"    Reservation Desk    800-662-6988 or 214-522-5106

This number does _not_ work (or so I was told) - I will see if I can
find a TX travel agent to replace this.

: "WEST"       Confident Travel    800-872-7252
: -- 
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From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: correction to end-of-year reading
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:49:04 GMT
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry

In article <1992Dec28.042824.21100@Csli.Stanford.EDU> zwicky@csli.stanford.edu (Arnold Zwicky) writes:
>martha *grimes*, not martha *stewart* (as mara points out).

>i just can't cope with these colorless names.  smith, stewart,
>wolf, jones, anderson, grimes, miller, fox...all the same to me.

I would have thought that "grime" was rather colorful, though not
saturated color.  Like "the sweep, all grimy..." (shades (so to 
speak) of "chim, chim, cheree...".

-- 
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Daffodils go Ping! and Oink! // They Really are alarming 
I'm scared of big geraniums // And I'm sure that Lilac's harming"
(Dr. Bertram X. Fegg)
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From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER)
Subject: [COMMENT]:  Most requested MOTSS GIFs...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Salt Lick, UT
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:24 MST  


I'm suprised, I thought Klayton Kramer would be the most
requested GIF for local 'WANTED' posters.  {grin}
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: penis size
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 15:16:20 GMT

In article <C08A7z.152@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com
(Brent Capps) writes:

>This is my absolute last word on this subject.

Mine too.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:38:01 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?

In article <1992Dec20.231739.8064@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
says:
>
>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>found Usenet, or later?

Hmm - I found NET.motss back in 1983 or so but was too afraid to
post then.  I'm not sure how I found the group tho - I think I
just found it by accident.

-Tim
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From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:16:42 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.163448.22285@athena.mit.edu>, Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
|> In article <1992Dec31.002311.28876@lclark.edu> 
|> Bil Snodgrass, snodgras@lclark.edu writes:
|> >We also as a society have to pay to feed, clothe, house and 
|> >render medical care to neglected children.....
|> >We have to pay for police protection to protect us from  
|> >the teenage gangs.......
|> >
|> >But for some reason the traditional family who use to do 
|> >everything on its own now has to have handouts from society 
|> >and work to support their habits.....
|> 
|> If I may elaborate on your attitude a bit:
|> 
|> "And to think that *my* *property* *taxes* are being *wasted*
|> on the "education" of these whelps, these wriggling, loathsome
|> products of filthy breeders.
|> 
|> Since *I'm* not allowed to adopt children, I consider the entire
|> enterprise of raising them to be heinously selfish.  Society
|> hates me, therefore I have absolutely *no* stake in its next
|> generation. 
|> 
|> One salary is usually insufficient to raise a family these days?
|> So fucking what?  I don't care if both parents *must* work
|> to make ends meet.  I will not have my taxes wasted on day care!!!!
|> The breeders made this mess; let *them* clean it up!"
|> 
|> The real point here: homosexuals must be permitted to indulge in
|> this selfish "habit" of family raising with its incredible
|> perks.  The surplus of neglected children requires more, not fewer, 
|> families.  It would be nice if we lived in a world where one parent
|> could devote themselves exclusively to the family in most cases,
|> but we don't.  Institutions must fill the void and "fuck the children"
|> is not an appropriate solution.
|> 
|> One does not; however, deserve any kind of financial reward merely 
|> for entering into a  long-term relationship, be it homo- or 
|> heterosexual.
|>  
|> Charlie



Bravo!!!! I couldn't agree with you more!  I'm tired of financing 'habits'
that we as Gays and Lesbians cannot participate in.

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
From: gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Denver Post: "Amendment 2 boycott spurs backlash"
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:43:29 GMT
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder


From today's Denver Post; Sunday, January 3, 1992

Amendment 2 boycot spurs backlash:

A new Denver Post/News 4 Poll shows there's a backlash in Colorado to
the growing national boycott of the state over Amendment 2, the
citizen intiative that barred laws protecting gays.

People are more angry than ahamed, and they don't think a repeal
effort would succeed.

[Ok; I'm not going to type in the whole article, just the interesting
poll numbers]

* If you had the opportunity to change your vote on #2, would you
change it or keep it the same:

Would change: 4%
Would keep vote the same: 94%
Don't Know: 2%

* Does the boycott make you more or less likely to support repeal of
  #2?

More likely : 25%
Less likely  43% 
No difference: 28%
Don't know: 4%

* Are people in Colorado more tolerant or less tolerant to gays?
 [than people in other states]

More: 48%
Less: 15%
The same: 25%
Don't know: 12%

* Perceptions of Gays

     Agree    Neutral	Disagree            Don't Know
Strong. Somewhat     Somewhat  Stongly	

Homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the armed forces:

41	18	5	8	22		6

Homosexualy is morally wrong

31	9	7	12	36		5

A homoseual is more likely to molest children

4	2	5	17	61		11

Except for their choice of sexual partners, homosexuals
are not really different from anyone else

60	21	1	6	7		5

When homosexuals talk about gay rights, what they really
saying is that they want special treatment

32	22	3	12	28		3
		
Homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children

18	17	9	12	37		7

Most homosexuals would rather be straight if they had a choice

9	10	8	19	32		22

Homosexuals should't be allowed to teach in the public schools

10	8	5	21	52		4

Homosexual behavior should be against the law, even if it
occurs between conseting adults

9	4	5	14	64		4

Most homosexuals could quit being gay if they really tried

11	8	7	16	44		14

The average person is not nearly so prejudiced against homosexuals as
many gay rights activists would want people to believe

40	28	5	13	8		6

If an Amenedment 2 type law were put on the ballot in other states, it
would pass in most of them

22	31	5	15	11		16

Source: Talmey-Drake Research and Strategy Inc. Survey based on 606
random telephone interviews (407 in the 6-county Denver metro area)
Dec 15-23, 1992.  Margin +- 4%.

-----------------------------------

Boycotting Colorado is not likely to change the opinions of
individuals.  A Colorado resident is not likely to be effected by the
boycott directly; we are in the midst of an economoic upturn which
might be slowed, but not stopped by a boycott.  The people affected
most directly are the politicians, and many of the politicians in this
state have been firmly behind No on 2.

-- 
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/ Andy Gerber		     / gerber@boulder.parcplace.com       /
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From: buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:04:38 GMT

cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs) writes:


>I was wondering if you guys would mind contributing
>to a list of books by GLB authors or about GLB topics
>that you would recommend as essential motss reading:

Essex Hemphill: Ceremonies
Paul Monette: Borrowed Time
Rita Mae Brown: Rubyfruit Jungle
Joseph Beam: In The Life (anthology)
Essex Hemphill: Brother To Brother (anthology)
Tom Keenan: Blue Heaven
Armistead Maupin: Tales of the City [books 1-3]
Eric Marcus: An Oral History of the Gay Rights Movement
Randy Shilts: And The Band Played On, The Mayor Of Castro Street
James Baldwin: Giovanni's Room

The above immediately jump to mind, but I'm sure I must be forgetting 
some others.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 92 of the 400 richest Americans *inherited* their wealth. Source: _Details_.
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:40:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> >OK, Mike.  Show me where I have.  Put up, or quit blubbering. 

> I will as soon as I can get at some older posts.
> And there's our word of the day again....

It just fits soooo well...maybe I can save you a little time on this 
one.  WHY would I be saying that the reason #2 passed is because 
people thought gay-rights groups would ask for quotas, if I was 
saying that they already HAD them?   

Walter
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 01:50:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec19.123924.24666@panix.com> <1992Dec19.232057.16405@nmt.edu>

Jeff Putnam writes:
>27992Dec19.123924.24666@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes: 
>>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) suggests:
>> >soc.motss.salmon
>> >soc.motss.mauve
>> >soc.motss.dusty.rose
>> >soc.motss.vermillion
>
>>Amen.  And I notice that neither JNS nor thaaang (did I count
>>right?) suggested lavender.  My thesaurus offers:
>
>Or taupe, or fuchsia.  Both great colors, and even better words.

*BUT*!  So much of this is from the RED end of the spectrum.
Where is the REST of the rainbow? Cerulean, teal, aqua,
turquoise, indigo!

 
() All colors agree in the dark.
()      -- Francis Bacon
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:14:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1hnkdkINN2ve@fido.asd.sgi.com>, pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
wrote:

> >Oh dear.  If the New Year weren't upon us I'd take the time
> >to point out that "ex" is followed by the accusative, not the
> >nominative.
> >
> 
> Really?
> Whenever I've got a new ex, it's always followed by a sedative.

Such a cutie, you are...  Much more fun that Dolphie Dearest.
But do be careful not to take *too* many sedatives post-exum-
facto...  You might find yourself cuteness-impaired.

*X*
(wondering what the ablative of Splat is... Splatus?  Splatuci?
Splato?  Splud?)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:34:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) writes:

>5. Am I the only one with the (suppresed) urge to post followups along
>the lines of "who cares?" or "only 10 pounds? You can hardly make a
>pot roast out of that!"

...or, "thanks for contributing to an already over-crowded planet"
...or, "how self-centered and selfish of you for bringing a child into this
        world in this day and age"
...or, "quit shoving your sexuality down my throat"
etc.

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: QW Magazine: Still in business?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:16:31 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1hoimeINN9ln@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>|> Is QW (Qweer Weekly, used to be NYQ) magazine out of business?  One
>|> week they announced that their publisher had died of AIDS and that they
>|> would not go out of business due to that.  However, I haven't gotten a
>|> new issue in the mail since.
>|> 
>|> Anyone have more info?

>Yes, I do... We got our resubscription check back in the mail with a letter
>which stated that due to financial difficulties associated with the 
>death of their publisher QW will no longer be published.

*sigh*

Damn.

OUTweek.

QW.

Anyone for a third try?
It was a pretty cool magazine, too.
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The Rodney King jury has re-examined the Zapruder footage and has decided
that JFK's injuries were self-inflicted.'' -- joke in the Village Voice.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: 50 most popular motss.pix photos 10/21-12/26/92
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:57:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.220110.22101@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>  35 andy_gerber.gif
>  35 andy_gerber.and.todd_ogawa.gif

Well, it's nice to know that someone cares, even if I hardly post
anymore. These pics are getting pretty old - I think they were taken
in early 1988.  

Holiday Greetings to all my motss-friends

Andy

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:54:39 GMT

<MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote: 
->Regarding a previous post that got a good deal of response about the thought
->of curing homosexuality, most people on the net seem strongly opposed to whole
->idea of a cure.

why *should* there be a cure?

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:31:13 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


In the ongoing NYC feudal wars,
glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) confronted me:
   >>>No such luck, Cobra Woman.  Prepare to pay.
In all innocence (!) I replied:
  >> Mara [Cobra Woman?  You gotta be kidding.]
coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) comments:
 >Kidding? Greg?
reminding me how serious Greg always is.  We fought it out at dinner
last night, in front of witnesses.  To a draw.

It was, as they say, a somber meal.  Not.  Of course, with
Steven Levine and Michael Siemon adding their humorless presences
and long faces to the event, nobody had any fun at all.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:53:05 GMT

> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>
>Because Po'Krystal'Folks gets a groan when I mention them -- but the
>phrase "Waffle House" are take-un ta bee fightin' wurds.
>
>(Gawd, I just _hate_ trying to type Suthun -- makes me look like I'm
>about as literate as a cypress stump. :-)

...or like you're typing *with* one. :-)
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark on New Years Eve
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:43:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <92357.105846SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> wrote:

> The boy-in-Calvin-Klein's-shorts

But its the boy *out* of the Calvin-Klein shorts that we really
want...

*X*
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *** SPOILERS *** from rec.arts.startrek.info
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:33:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec23.174724.3032@craycos.com>, mush@craycos.com (Randy
Murrish) wrote:

> "relentlessly carves off Picard's clothing."
> 
> "Picard, stripped naked...stretched vertically like a side of beef"

I read this with a certain interest, myself.  Despite my protestations
on pseudo-pedophilia in gay 'literature' (both pictorial and prose),
if given the opportunity to carve off *WIL WHEATON'S* clothing, I
don't think I would refuse.  Ahh, back to that holodeck on Deep Space
Nine with JP and WW and the fading echoes of dying stars...

*X*
(though both Wil and Jason are, I believe, in their twenties - and 
thus comfortably within my prefered range of operation)
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