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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Acts of love
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:59:43 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
Originator: leung@bittemple


rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:
|> In article <9228716.27498@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) wgain :
>	Mutual(attraction + love + friendship) = no struggle needed
|> 
|> But the reality is:
|> 
|> Mutual(attraction + love + friendship) = no struggle needed + <uncertainty factor>
|> where <uncertainty factor> = Luck and Fate
|> 
|> But what is Luck and Fate??
|> 
|> It's just too complicated ... Maybe we need Steven Leung to do another
|> mathematical research on this again :-).

HAHaha ... Well, Steven hasn't, isn't, and won't do any mathematical
research on anything. My latest fantasy is about virtual programming,
i.e., programming in VR. I think there is a lot of potential there ...

Anyway, going back to the question of Luck and Fate: I think Luck
is a boolean function that indicates whether the value returned by 
a random_number_generator matches some expected value. And Fate is
the alias of the nondeterministic_sequential_state_machine, in which
past states can be traced but future states are nondeterministic.

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk ("Russell E. Whitaker")
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
Keywords: dog god
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:46:25 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1992Oct11.130813.2035@uxmail.ust.hk>, bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`) writes:
|> 
|> 			IS THE GOD ALMIGHTY?
|> 			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	** DOG'S THEOREM:  	The God is not all-powerful **

Which "god" are you referring to in your "theorem"?

|> Proof:
|> 	Assume the God is all-powerful.
|> 	Thus, the God has the power to do anything
|> 	=> the God has the power to create a mass which HE cannot lift
|> 	   up
|> 	=> the God cannot lift up a mass
|> 	=> the God is not all-powerful
|> 
|> 		!!!!CONTRADICTION!!!!
|> 
|> 	=> Completed the proof of DOG'S THEOREM by contrapositivity.
|> 
|>     @@@@  WELCOME ANY DOGS PLACING DOG'S COMMENTS ON DOG'S THEORM  @@@@
|> 
|> 
|>          ****   Next Attraction:	Is Dog the God?  :)   ****
|> 
|> 						ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
|> 
|>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
|>   * *  DR. DOG                                HoiFung JACK -'<@   * *
|>   * *                               Email:  bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk  * *
|>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmchung@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (chung wai man)
Subject: Want to know some experts
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:26:15 GMT


Hi!
I am doing a project on alcohol use among teenagers. Now I want to
consult some experts on fields like psychology, sociology or medicine.
Do you know people who are expert on these? If so, I hope you can
introduce them to me. (by giving their email addr)

Please reply to: wmchung@eng.ie.cuhk.hk

Thanks!

Best Regards,
W.M. Chung
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:06:40 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
Originator: leung@bittemple


tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:

> But do you think HK people are also mature enough to handle its own
> matters? I would say, AT THIS TIME, they would not. That's why I 
> prefer the way of having "slow-pace" to democracy in HK.

Could you elaborate on what are the criteria you use to judge "maturity"
and "enough" and based on what facts that you come to your conclusion?

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: 31he@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HK girls (RE: CHINESE WIVES ARE GOOD?)
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:12:23 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

	
	Probably it is somehow true. The same thing happened here, most of the
	HK girls got this kind of comments or gave this kind of image. However
	I had one close girlfriend from HK, she is very different from the
	others, of course the point of view to the world is still somehow
	practical or little bit narrow, but she is smart, get 3.9 GPA, never
	gossip to any other people. Thus she seldom be with the other HKers. So
	I should say it depends every individual, probably overall HK girls are
	a little bit Materialical, but there do exist outstanding ones.

	The one I loved once and will never forget is from HK, he is the
	outstanding one among those HKers here, and quite some HK girls like
	him, yet he chose me the outsider, and his friends(guys & some girls)
	admire him for this too. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810)
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Chinese Christians
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.053026.22190@cc.uow.edu.au>, tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung) writes...
>Does anyone want to comment on why some
>Hong Kong students when they study overseas
>become Christians and join "Chinese Christian
>Fellowships"
> 
>Comments?
	The reason is that they have nothing else to do!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore '92??!!!! Was Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:48:13 GMT

In article <719077087@flounder.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>In article <Bw334E.AKA@ucunix.san.uc.edu> ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>>Do you condone foriegn interference from Pakistan too?
>
>	   No, but I condemn Indian domination because it is blatantly
>brutal. 
>
>>>	   Being a Kashmiri, I not only feel sorry for them, but also
>>>recognize that the solution must come from within.
>>
>>Which part of Kashmir are you from?  The Indian part or the Pakistani 
>>occupied part?
>
>	   I am from Kashmir, which has no Indian part: An independent
>country which is not just occupied, but terrorized by Indian
>politicians in their voracity. I think Manoj Shaib, you are showing
>your pro-Indian baises... why don't you ask the Kashmiris what they
>want? 
>
I asked you which part of Kashmir you are from, because you claim
that the Indian forces are brutal.  I wanted to know if this 
knowledge is first hand or from hearsay?  Obviously I am showing
a pro Indian bias, are you not showing a pro Pakistani bais?
In kashimir India has lived upto its end of the bargain by
not letting any outsiders to settle in Kashmir.  Once Pakistan
withdraws from Kashmir the Kashmiris will be able to decide their
future.  In Delhi I have met a lot of Hindus who have been driven
away from Kashmir and are now living in refugee camps.  Is your
Kashmir going to be the home of only muslims?

Manoj

>   Salman [dsqa-jna '92 :-)] Azhar
>
>
>
>-- 
> I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
> I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
> I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
> I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: rajesh@maxine.wpi.edu (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:48:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
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mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
: In article <13OCT199216333497@juliet.caltech.edu>, azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad) writes...
: >In article <13OCT199208420774@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) OBwrites...
: > 
: 
: >     	the history of Islam, it was spread with the help of the
: >     	sword. Ashamed to be a part of an unjust system.
: 
:      No, Islam was not spread with the help of the sword. Let's
:      not fall in the clinch of western propaganda.
: 

       Asimbhai, there seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary.
       The advent of the Arabs into sub-continent is itself a case
       in point.

       Rajesh
From: 830reza@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: DO NOT READ THIS
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:43:05 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

 





   Hi There!
  
      Make Sure You all Will Live Long ...........

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:32:26 GMT


          I don't think that Jesus could have been born without a human
  father, if considering scientific evaluation. You are ignoring something
  very important. Though a cell can be divided artificially, made embryo
  etc., a woman has no Y-chromosomes. So though one can produce without sex,
  a woman can give birth to woman only. So jesus has to be a girl in 
  that case

  Raja.
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:40:02 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct8.213439.20362@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:
> 
> 
> |> 
> |> Dear Sister Farha,
> |> 
> |> 	It does not matter where the cell is from as long as the relevant genes
> |>                                                                  --------------
> |> are turned on, those which help is cell division.The cell can be from an Embryo 
> |> -----------
> |> (male/female), adult female, and adult male.  I did not say that the cell
> |> should not be from an Embryo, what I said was it can be from adult female body,
> |> which can be the same female who owns the ova.  If you still have any doubt,
> |> pleace, check with your teacher. I am positive about what I stated, even then, I
> |> checked it with my teacher, just now.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> Your Brother,
> |> 
> |> Akhtar Waqas
> |> 
> 	
>   Dear (brother(!) Akhtar and other brothers and sisters) - (set of any 
> eligible women who might be reading this + blondes), :-)
> 
> 			Are you implying that God needs to turn genes on
> in order for a baby to be born? Personally I think that God can bring a
> baby out of a water melon.
> 
> Whats happening here is that we are mixing science and religion, which is
> a dangerous past-time in the best of times. Next we have to ask questions
> like $ Was there God before the Big Bang? $ Will there be God after the
> Big Bang? $ Is God responsible for only our Solar System, or our Galaxy
> or our Cluster or our Super Cluster .. etc. $ Are we just an accident in this
> unthinkably large universe or is there a reason? Where is Heaven/Hell?
> In this universe or in an alternate dimension/reality? What is the soul?
> Can we be concious after we die? Can we think without our brain? Can
> we be punished/rewarded after we die and our body and mind turn to dust?
> 
> I have thousands of questions like these. The only way to keep my sanity
> is to keep religion and science completely seperate. 
> 
> I would appreciate if someone can help me out here.
> 
> 							--ali.
> 
> 
> "Black holes are places where Mother Nature is dividing by zero."
> 
> 					Donald Nichols	

Dear Brother Ali,

	The article in itself is quite clear, I don't understand why you have
problem understanding it.  Further more, you have your own view of the world
and religion.  There is an explanation to every phenomena, but one must strive
to seek it.  It's good to have opinions but one must update his perception of
the world with knowledge to come closer to the reality. 

	Peace.

Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore '92??!!!! Was Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:55:46 GMT

In article <Bw0u9G.HrD@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>I find it surprising that you at least tacitly support Clinton/Gore. 
>Saturday was the Islamic day of Ohio and guess who asked to be invited and
>actually was? A representative of Clinton/Gore. There were alot of questions
>thrown to him and he was a fast talker just like his boss, Clinton.

[stuff about Palestine and Kashmir and support for Perot deleted]

I don't think Bush has been doing anything spectacular for the Muslims.
On the other hand he has been absolutely abysmal in his domestic policies
or rather lack thereof.  I have lived in the US all my life and plan
(inshallah) to live the rest of my life in this country.  I see it going
down the drain due to the non-existence of policies by a diplomatic-happy-
domestic-policy-bores-me president.  

Perot I just don't take seriously.  Actually his attitudes frighten me.
He sounds a bit to imperious for my tastes.  He seems to believe that
he will be able to get policies past Congress the way he gets orders
followed in his corporations.  He gets testy if you ask him questions
he doesn't like and refuses to answer them.  In addition, his main
policy would be deficit reduction.  As an econ major I can tell you that
I don't think this country can handle a harsh deficit reduction policy
when there is already such an economic slowdown and consumer confidence
at the levels they are now.  More people would lose jobs with his
taxes.  If you're worried about taxes, Perot should frighten the hell
out of you since he trains his guns at the middle class as well.
I mean $.50 a gallon!!!!  Aack!  No thank you.  I don't want King Perot
for four years.

I have read some of Clinton's policy positions (they have been available
over the net) and I like what he has to say.  I completely and utterly 
support Clinton/Gore for '92.

Yasmin

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*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *                                    *
*                                   *          Clinton/Gore '92          *
*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *                                    *
*                                   *                                    *
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From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:02:01 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <16OCT199210342285@juliet.caltech.edu> mughal@juliet.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
>In article <1blc02INNr05@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman) writes...
>>imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:

>>  That Hindus were persecuted in India under many Muslim kings is a fact.
>
>     hmm... really ? My understanding is different from this. Can you please
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


   hmm... really ? Can you tell us what your understanding on this matter is?

>     specify which kings you are refering to ?
>>  Rajesh

---raj
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:22:36 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <1992Oct14.164615.15828@twg.com> khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan) writes:
>Dear Brother Waqas,
>
>I have been following this article and the silly arguments put forth by 
>some of the Hindu writers; writers who have nothing else to do but 
>spend endless hours in front of the terminal harrassing Muslims.
>
  "Silly arguments put forth by some  Hindus" = "Harrassing Muslims"
     What a 'Dear Brother' logic!!!!!!

Arshad [against Jamaati 'brotherhood'] Hussain
>Peace,
>
>Your brother in Islam,
>
>Sharaaz Khan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:36:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Oct12.233631.23987
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

In article <Bw0nuq.AwK@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

|> Are you trying to be humorous?  Before eating beef do you find out who the
|> father of the cow is, does it matter?  And about no other animal doing
|> the same thing, you haven't seen dogs on Indian streets.  As far as I know
|> no animals have a husband and wife concept.
|> 
|> 
|> Manoj

How about the Black widow spider ? She makes sure her `husband`
never becomes the husband of another spider. :-)

regards,
--   
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From: clifton9220@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: GOD'S HOLINESS!!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:26:14 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


GOD IS HOLY.  GOD IS AWESOME.  GOD IS LOVING.  GOD IS JUST.  THESE STATEMENTS
DO NOT DEPEND ON THE BLESSINGS HE GIVES US.  OUR ARGUEMENTS MUST SEEM REALLY
PETTY TO HIM.

KEN.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:50:39 GMT

In article <92281.105838U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>        You forgot to mention that we make one of the finest beer.
>>        This is my opinion after living in Germany (a beer drinking country)
>>        for several years. This beer factory near Muree has survived
>>        atleast 3 burnings by the fundamentalists. It is pity that
>>        we are not promoting this sector. It can create lot of local
>>        jobs and foreign exchange. Some parts of Pakistan are also
>>        ideal to produce wines.
>>
>>Mirza Ilyas
>
>Hey Br. Mirza Ilyas at first in Re: Asian model in a white world you ask
>us about what the Quraan says about modeling.  Now you state that Pak beer
>is the best tasting.  Am I stupid or what but Muslim's don't drink!

Maybe the line should read " muslims cant drink! " but we are not supposed
to a alot of other things as well .......................

sahibzada rafay khan [ waiting for a tanker full of oj]

>
>That just goes to show where the Paks of the world are taking Pak, down
>the gutters of Sadar & Lalukaith in the Worlds best metropolitan smog city
>Karachi ( I would assume, right Mr. Ilyas _ i refuse to take you as my Brother
>since you have reverted to drinking german beer.)
>
>
>DA PAKS FOR A BEERIER PAK
>MAY THE BEST WINE COME FROM THE BEAUTIFUL VINEYARDS OR WINEYARDS OF PAK.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ysm@engin.umich.edu (Yawar Shahzad Murad)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:04:27 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Bw7zA0.Gx8@ucunix.san.uc.edu> bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>In article <Bw75ww.7KE@ucunix.san.uc.edu> ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>
>
>>  Do you Pakistanis like us Indians have 9 lives?
>
>>Manoj
>
>
>No, they have only two lives. One was availed of in 1971. One more
>goof, and it will go poof! (Some say that the goof is already going
>on in terms of Pakistan's support to the terrorists in Kashmir and 
>Punjab!). It seems Pakistan's adolescent crush on Kashmir will prove
>to be a case of fatal attraction.
>
>---raj
>

Excuse me? What exactly do you mean we have only one life left? And please let 
us not forget, it is the Indians who are crushing Kashmir, as the UN 
resolutions state. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.195937.22312@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu
(Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> > In article <1992Oct11.133157.5749@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
writes:
> >>In article <1992Oct10.234954.23589@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu
(Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> > 
> > AW:
> >>>>	THE PROHIBITION OF SWINE IN ISLAM, JUDAISM, AND  CHRISTIANITY
> >>>>
> >>>>	Thus, it may be concluded without doubt that the swine or pig is
> >>>>definitely an impious and unsanitary animal.  
> >                  ^^^^^^^
> > ----------
> > GA:
> >>> 1) Times have changed and almost all pork eaten in western countries 
> >>> are raised on farms that are fed nothing but the best stuff (far more 
> >>> hygenic than the chemical contaminated grasses that Asian cows/goats
eat).
> >>> If I read your definition of trash right, then the modern swines have
never 
> >>> tasted trash. 
> >>
> > ---------
> > AW:
> >>	You are right when you talk about the pigs fed and grown at different
> >>forms (not wild pigs) for business purposes in the Western Countries.  But 
> >>Western countries  does not make the whole world. What I stated was in
general 
> >>and not for Western countries (pigs grown in forms) only.          
^^^^^^^^^
> >>
> >>Akhtar Waqas.
> >>
> > ---------
> > GA:
> > Yes, western countries do not make the whole world.   But would you agree 
> > that eating pigs in western countries is not an impious thing to do since
> > they are not contaminated ? Since you say that your statement was `in
general',
> > does this `general' cover all the countries ?     
> > 
> 
> Dear Brother Gopal,
> 
> 	Pigs by nature has the property, I stated earlier, and considering its
> structure I would answer with a "No" to you first question. By "in general" I
> mean the world or planet Earth.  In addition to the previously stated
property
> that pig body posesses, it has another property i.e:  
> 
> 	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
> uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
> dirty act and no other animals does it.  




How do you account for the fact that it is legal for muslim men (under certain
conditions ofcourse ;) to marry upto 4 women? Not a dirty act then eh ;)





> 
> Your Brother,
> 
> Akhtar Waqas.
> 
> 
> > As for the 3rd world countries, I think labelling a pig as `impious' is 
> > appropriate since the common man cannot understand the word `unsanitary'
> > but he understands `impious' (I hope this reverses some day). 
> > 
> > regards,
> > --   
>  



--Javed.