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From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: Center for Mapping Seminar Series
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:38:31 GMT

The spring seminar series of the Center for Mapping has several talks
that are telecommunicaitons related. For completeness I've include all
the seminars.

The seminars are 11 AM-noon in Room 102 Page Hall, 1810 College Road.
The nearest visitor parking is Garage C (Ohio Union Ramp) on High St.,
just south of Page Hall.

For more information contact the Center at 1216 Kinnear Road,
Columbus, OH 43212, phone 614-292-1600, or fax 614-292-9062.

-- Friday, April 10 : Managing Statewide Economic Development and
Industrial Site Selection in a GIS Environment, David Cowen, Director,
Humanities and Social Science Computing Laboratory, University of
South Carolina.

Dr. Cowen will discuss technical and organizaitonal issues related to
the South Carolina Infrastructure and Economic Planning System. This
system represents a unique approach to creating and maintaining a
statewide spatial decision support system for economic development and
industrial site selection. ...

-- Friday, April 17: Satellite Mapping for Developing Countries,
Gordon Petrie, Department of Geography & Topographic Science,
University of Glasgow, Scotland.

The problems of producing and maintaining topographic maps in
developing countries are severe and the use of satellite imagery is
often suggested as a possible solution to these problems.  This
presentation covers the results of extensive testing MSS, TM, SPOT,
MOMS, MC, and LFC imagery for new mapping including tests in the Sudan
and Yemen. ...

-- Friday, May 8: Soil Conservation Service and USDA's Geographic
Information System Activities, Gale W. Teselle, Director, Cartography
and GIS Division, USDA Soil Conservation Service.

... This presentation will include a discussion of GRASS GIS
implementation, using GIS at the field office level for conservation
planning, GIS in Secretary Madigan's Easy Access Project, and an
overview of GIS use in the USDA.

-- Friday, May 15: Statistical Treatment fo Mapping Spatially
Distributed Variables with an Application in Soil Science, Alfred
Stein, Assistant Professor, Department of Soil Science and Geology,
Agricultural University, Vageningen, The Netherlands.

A statistical mapping procedure know as Kriging is used in soil
science, petroleum geology, forestry, meteorology, and other applied
sciences.  This presentation will cover statistical treatment of
Kriging with an application to soil moisture deficits. ...
From: ar_jolly@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: oh.cast
Subject: TESTING
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:05:43 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

THIS IS JUST A TEST
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Distinct/Nation (was When do we stop being outsiders?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:52:35 GMT

In article <SBO.92Apr13172534@froh.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.192821.12799@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>
>   In article <9804@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>   >Distinct may mean superior if you want so.
>   >THis in French and in English.
>   >
>   >See this example in French:
>   >M. X s'est distingue aux Jeux Olympiques.
>   >
>   >something like
>   >Mr. X was distinguished at Olympic Games. 
>
>   This is a common mistake. "distingue'" and "distinct" are two different
>   words, as well as "distinct" and "distinguished" are in English...
>
>   This is maybe the source of the problem here. Many people are confused
>   by these words "distinct" and "distinguished".
>
>No. As I said in some previous post, the word  distinctive denotes
>superiority. This word resemble quite a lot to distinct, and in my opinion
>it is the origin of the misinterpretation.
>
>   An anglo told me so...
>
>Ask your anglo about my explanation...

Yeah, you're right.

Actually, the anglo told my brother who told me, so I may have lost
something in the process...   :)

>  ,                          ,                           ,
>Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
>sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | 
>sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | (514)340-5950

Sylvain Chamberland
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
From: alan@auad.acadiau.ca (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:52:57 GMT
Distribution: can.general
Organization: Acadia University

s36238f@kaira.hut.fi (Tim Klemets) writes:


>I'd like to thank all of you who gave me the explanation(s) for
>the name Canada (unfortunately, I still don't know which one of
>them to choose :).  It was very interesting to read, even though
>the answer obviously wasn't as clear as I thought.

Actually, there was only 2 theories, the one about Aca Nada, and
the one about the natives.  I introduced the one about natives,
as that is the government's official view.  The one about Aca Nada 
was put forth by a guy from Quebec who later sent me email to tell
me that he knows his story isn't true, but he was just trying to 
see who he could fool.

--
Alan W. McKay		| (902)542-2201.396	| Wolfville, N.S. Canada
alan@aucs.acadiau.ca	| Acadia University	| SUB Box 6008, B0P 1Z1
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From: 841613t@aucs.acadiau.ca (Don Tyzuk)
Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,can.jobs,ont.general,ont.jobs,comp.jobs
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:25:51 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

troye@cs.mcgill.ca (Troy ENGLISH) writes:
> I don't know what world you are living in but frankly after doing lots
> of looking for summer jobs and talking to 'corporate canada' the things
> they want you to know are simple...Dbase and Cobol. Dbase more than
> anything, they couldn't give a damn about any theory you might know.

Troy: I would both agree and DISAGREE with whatyou say. Yes, one should
study COBOL and Sys Analysis/Design as well as C++. Round out your CS
education as well as your degree in general (just like taking electives
from other disciplines.) COBOL may not be sexy, but it pays the bills
for a lot of people.
However, for a long term view of your career, get that degree. The 
graduates of "dbase schools" will be limited in career progression.
Unless you picture yourself at age 55 doing dbase (or the 21st century
equiv) instead of being the boss, then forsake a degree for a short
term goal of an immediate job. If you think competition for a job
is tough, think about promotions.
--
Don Tyzuk
841613t@aucs.acadiau.ca
Wolfville, Nova Scotia
Xref: sparky can.general:2069 ont.general:659 comp.sys.sun.hardware:1574
Newsgroups: can.general,ont.general,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: aulich@eecg.toronto.edu (Fred Aulich)
Subject: Re: SPARCstation IPC serial connectors (DIN-8) where to get them?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:17:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.002551.26714@mks.com> andy@mks.com (Andy Toy) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can get the DIN-8 male connectors that can plug
>into the serial port on the back of a Sun SPARCstation IPC?  I need to
>make some cables that convert it to 6-wire RJ-12 or 8-wire RJ-45 jacks.
>-- 
>     ||  // // ,'/~~\'  Andy Toy, Systems Manager                  andy@mks.com
>    /||/// //|' `\\\    Department of Computing Services
>   / | //_// ||\___/    Mortice Kern Systems Inc.               +1-519-884-2251
>O_/                     35 King Street North, Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA N2J 2W9

you can buy the cables from SUN but they are very expensive. I have ordered
the 8 pin DIN connectors , cables and rs232 connectors and made up
the connectors myself. It is a lot easier then you may think to make them.
If you find that that is not your cup of tea you can buy 8 pin DIN to DIN
connectors cut the cable in half solder the RS232 connector to the wires
as needed 

You can buy the 8 pin DIN connectors through any AMP distributor 

Fred aulich


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From: stevew@tsltor.uucp (Stephen M. Webb)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:36:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.015743.15715@unixg.ubc.ca> lermer@theory.chem.ubc.ca (Noah Lermer) writes:
>  If I might add a comment here:
>
>I've always felt that the english usage of the word "nation" was very different
>from the francais <<nation>>.
>
> In english, it almost always has the same meaning as country, i.e., a
>  political and legal as well as cultural entity.
> In french, I've always understood it to mean more of a cultural unit;
>  you can be <<une nation>> without being a contry (nation != pays). Probably
>  a better translation (IMHO) would be a people, as in the Quebec People.
>
>  I remeber being very confused (confus) when I first learned this!
>

Instead of relying on the definitions I learned when studying political
geography back in my university days (I realize many of you may not have read
the same textbooks I have - nor would I if I hadn't had to), I will consult
my dictionary.

dictionary 1 (Houghton Mifflin Canadian Dictionary of the English Language)

	nation n. 1. A people, usually inhabitants of a specific territory,
	who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language
	or related languages.

dictionary 2 (The Collins Concise Dictionary)

	nation n. 1. A community of persons not constituting a state but
	bound by common descent, language, history, etc.: the French-Canadian
	nation.

dictionary 3 (Larousse de poche)

	nation n. f. Reunion d'hommes habitant un meme territoire, ayant une
	origine, des traditions communes, des moeurs semblables et le plus
	souvent un mem langue.

Except for (3), which excludes women from national membership (oops, did that
PC thing creep in again?)  all 3 seem pretty much the same to me.	

_______
Stephen M. Webb
Newsgroups: can.general
From: revow@cs.toronto.edu (Mike Revow)
Subject: Need Info on public Access Points
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:05:35 GMT

I am part of a non profit group which has participants scattered across
the country. Like many others, we constantly have communication difficulties
with Western members feeling alienated with activities in Central Canada, etc. I 
thought that e-mail technology may be able to help us. Thus I would
be very grateful if people could let me know if there are public access
points in the following centres:
	Vancouver
	Regina
	Winnepeg
	Hamilton
	Toronto
	Ottawa
	Kingston
	Montreal
	Halifax

E-mail addresses of an administrator would be great. Alternatively
a Canada Post address or voice number

Please reply by e-mail me. I could summarize if there is any interest

Thanks
Michael
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:49:31 GMT

coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael) writes:

>Evan Leibovitch suggested that the media in Quebec and in English
>Canada should carry columns by "rabid federalists" and "rabid
>nationalists", respectively.

OK, "rabid" was a poor choice of words. Perhaps "avid", or "unabashed"
would have been better.

What I mean is that more media need an alternate voice, a second opinion
on relevant events which can counter the spin taken by that media's
normal political inclination. From someone who can make reasoned
arguments, and weather the outcry when they say something totally
contradictory to local conventional wisdom (as they no doubt would on
both sides).

>It is worth noting that a step in
>this direction was taken several years ago when the Globe and Mail
>began a column by Lise Bissonette, later replaced by Lysiane Gagnon
>when Ms. Bissonette took over Le Devoir.  Similarly, Le Devoir later
>began a column by Jeffrey Simpson, a regular Globe columnist.

Nowhere near good enough. Le Devoir and the G&M are the vehicles for the
Quebec and TROC elites. It will be more challenging, and more effective,
to have the same exchanges between, say, La Presse and The Toronto Star
(or the Canadian Press wire service).

(or, maybe even better, an exchange between the Toronto Sun and
Allo Police :-)

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
              If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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From: coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Rosemere
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:19:36 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I must agree with Sylvain that the Office de la Langue Francaise is not
analogous to APEC.  More analogous would be the zealots who contacted 
the OLF and asked them to "de-bilingualize" Rosemere.  A town which was
originally 100% anglo (say 100 years ago), > 50% anglo in 1978 and now
only 30 % anglo is hardly in danger of having its francophone population
overrun by anglophones.  Hence, they really are zealots with a perturbing
view of reality, similar to APEC.

Mike Coady
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:10:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.221447.27285@watserv1.waterloo.edu> jkramer@sunwise.UWaterloo.ca (Viscous Pig Dog) writes:
>In article <11408@std-2> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>>In article (Craig Campbell) writes:
>>>Well, for one Quebec is not a nation. 
>>
>>Of course Quebec is a nation!
>>
>
>Did I miss the smileys?

No, no smileys were required. Most of French Quebeckers on this net will
say it: we ARE a nation.

This distinct society thing was accepted by Quebec federalists because
TROCians could not accept the idea of "nation".

But it does not change our feelings. We feel we ARE a nation.
Take an honnest look at our 2 societies in Canada. 2 solitudes, many
have said. 2 nations, I would say.

>And, saying that a bunch of Quebecois (correct spelling?) are trying to
>destroy the country is not Quebec-bashing. A bunch of people in Quebec
>want Quebec to leave Canada. If Quebec leaves Canada then the
>nation of Canada will be destroyed. Pointing out this fact is not
>Quebec bashing.

For us, there is no such thing as "the nation of Canada". there is 2
nations, and as long as TROCians won't recognize this, sorry, but
there will be troubles...

As well as in Czechoslovakia (don't know the correct English spelling)
there are 2 nations: the Czechs and the Slovaks (well, Slovaques in
French).


Sylvain Chamberland
Dept. of Biology
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario.


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From: jcarroll@jacc.com (Jim Carroll)
Reply-To: jcarroll@jacc.com
Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,can.jobs,ont.general,ont.jobs,comp.jobs
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:49:40 GMT
Organization: J.A.CARROLLCONSULTING,TORONTO,CANADA

870086t@aucs.acadiau.ca (Shannon Tremblay @ Acadia University) once wrote....
>
>
>I recently read an article in "DIRECT ACCESS", March27, 1992, top of page 6;
>for those who what to check for themselves.  The article is called 
>"Crisis Situation" and speaks of a report, called "Software and National Competitiveness: Human Resource Issues and Opportunities," funded by Employment and
>Immigration Canada and co-sponsored by  CATA and CIPS.
>
>In the article it is suggested that there is currently a shortage of software
>workers that could reach over 14000 by 1995.
>
>It goes on to suggest that 12000 to 14000 more jobs will be available to people
>in the software industry by 1995.
>
>****
>
>MY QUESTION IS THIS
>
>As a graduating student with a BCS and 16 months of Co-op experience behind
>me and no job waiting for me at present;  I question the accuracy of these
>statements.  I know of a number of students here on campus, also graduating
>that are asking the same questions.
>If there is a shortage of workers, then WHY can we not get jobs.
>
>What is the sensus for the rest of the country?  Are the jobs available?
>Am I simply looking in the wrong places?
>
>Based on the numbers from the article I read, I would expect companies to 
>be breaking down the doors trying to hire graduating students.
>
>
>Be sure to post your replys as there must be others asking the same questions.
>
>
>
>
>
Hope to hear from you all   :-)
>
>Shannon Tremblay
>graduating class May, 1992
>               (at least I hope so :-) :-)
>
>Acadia University
>Wolfville, NS
>
>

I met with some students from Humber College a few weeks ago. They echoed
your sentiments. I asked them what they were being taught : it was typical
*large data processing environment* concepts, with COBOL and RPG.

What are companies looking for? People who can program in C; people who
can put together applications using API's; people who can integrate
Novell networks and other assorted stuff.....

Somehow, the educational system is relying on the curriculum of the 80's
and Corporate Canada has moved into the 90's.

I understand I am probably opening up some flames here. However, I regularly
see companies looking for network specialists, PC skills, integration 
skills, etc.

I see fewer companies looking for traditional DP mindsets....

jc

----
        ____     ___ ___       Jim Carroll, J.A. Carroll Consulting
          / /\  /   /          Mississauga, Canada   jcarroll@jacc.com
         / /__\/   /           Voice/Fax             +1.416.274.5605 
     \__/ /    \___\___        MCI, Bix              JCarroll   
                               Envoy 100             JA.CARROLL              

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: Rosemere
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:48:32 GMT

In article <29EC4EBA.566B@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>I would be interested in hearing more details about the city, and about
>the campaign. I believe there may be lessons here for folks on *both*
>sides of the issue. Nothing beats a good dose of tolerance, co-operation,
>and benefit of the doubt.

> Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario

Hurray!! There still are places where people are nice to each other, and
neighbours are neighbourly.  :-) :-) :-)





-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Rosemere
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:28:19 GMT

>In his article, evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>>
>>The proposal, which would have reduced English services in this city of
>>about 30% anglophones, was initiated (and heavily campaigned for) by
>>Quebec's OLF (the provincial department in charge of eradicating English).
>>It was opposed by the francophone mayor and city council, and could not
>>have been defeated unless the francophone majority had also wanted to
>>remain bilingual.

Come on, Evan. You're being "paranoid". "in charge of eradicating English"...
You are yourself doing what people you are criticizing do. (the ones
you wanted to put in a closed room) 

OLF is a GOVERNMENTAL institution charged to make the law respected.
It's like the cops.

You are killing the messenger.

BTW, about our "previous encounter", I did not realize what OLF standed
for.

You cannot compare l'Office de la langue francaise (only one capital
letter: it's the French way of writing titles) to APEC.

APEC is an association of citizens. OLF is a governmental institution.
APEC guys do what they want, and they are not paid.

OLF guys are people like you who need jobs. They have their hands tied
by the laws. The law may or may not be fair, but it's the law.
It's their JOB to make it respected. 
And you are biasing the role of OLF. OLF has a very good influence on
the French language in Quebec, for example in purging the language
of anglicisms and foreignisms (for example, "Carre Landry" refers to
"square" and is not a correct term in French. So the name of this street
change to "rue Landry". It promotes also the use of such words as
"traversier" instead of "ferry-boat", "stationnement" instead of
"parking"...)

Like Quebec, OLF is NOT ONLY BAD...


-- 
Sylvain Chamberland     |   "Trust is earned, not given away!"
University of Waterloo  |          - Worf, Star Trek The Next Generation
Waterloo, Ontario.      |
Newsgroups: can.general
From: revow@cs.toronto.edu (Mike Revow)
Subject: Re: Landed Immigrant Status
Keywords: Immgirant,Canadian,Citizen
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:50:57 GMT

In article <hoyle.703241505@sfu.ca> hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle) writes:
>Being a naturally born Canadian citizen, I've never concerned myself
>with the details of how others can become Canadians.  Now, however,
>I must profess to possessing curiousity on the subject.  Could
>someone perhaps enlighten me?
>
>Michelle
>
>
>

I can try given my own experiences at traversing this long route.

A person not born in Canada (or not having Canadian citizens as parents)
can apply for citizenship if they have been 
"lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence" (ie they have
been accepeted as a 'landed immigrant') In order to be accepted, applicants
have to satisfy certain conditions :

	- Must have a resident of Canada for at least 3 years prior
	to *submitting* the application for citizenship. (At least
	2 of those years must have been as a landed immigrant, In this
	case the person would have effectively have to had been a
	resident of Canada for 4 years)

	- Must have 'adequate knowledge' of one of the official languages

	- Must have 'adequate knowledge' of Canada: i.e. Know the 
	responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. (These are pretty
	obvious things like obey the laws, be loyal, vote in elections, etc)

	- Must not have 'in trouble with the law' - Have been convicted
	or under trial

Under certain conditions, the minister (of state) may wave certain of these
conditions. In addition, citizenship may be awarded in special cases
to alleviate hardship or to reward services of special value to Canada

The actual process involves 3 steps:

(1) Submitting an application
(2) Going to an interview with a citizenship judge who decides if
the applicant fulfills the requirements
(3) Taking the oath of citizenship which involves swearing (or affirming)
allegiance to the queen of Canada

The whole process can take over 1 year to complete.

So note that the process of becoming a citizen is very distinct from that
of immigrating to Canada. The process and requirements are very different
and are handled by a completely seperate government department. A person
living in another country and wishing to become a Canadian Citizen should
expect the complete process to take at least 5 years.

I can make comments on the process of immigrating if there is interest - 
however this is a much more complex area

Michael
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