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From: hartman@thorin.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferret Hiccups
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:53:36 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
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In article <1992Dec12.181411.12224@doug.cae.wisc.edu> christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) writes:

>>And as long as we've stooped to this level of ferret stories...does
>>everybody elses's ferret do that out-of-the-litter-box "butt-wipe (tm)"?
>
>YES!  Its a good way to tell if they have actually gone.  Especially when
>you are training them to use the litter box.  If you reward them everytime

Actually, I don't think they are actually "wiping".  I think that 
going to the bathroom activates the scent glands, and they are actually
marking their territory.  (even though most modern-day ferrets don't
have scent glands, it's still an instinctive behavior.)

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
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From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang)
Subject: Re: Funny bunnies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Dec20.153808.1@stsci.edu>
	<1992Dec20.164930.18266@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.164930.18266@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

 > How much did most of you pay for your rabbits, if you received them
 > from a seller?  Dink was $14.99 at a slightly out of town pet store
 > that had about eight of them [...]

Well, I got my rabbit free (somebody found him while out jogging with
his dog in the morning, posted looking for an owner in a local
newsgroup, and that's how I ended up with Harvey). But it's not uncommon
to see pet stores charge more than $15 -- I've seen dwarf rabbits priced
at $50 at the Boston Pet Center. Speaking of which, if anybody knows if
their prices are reasonably good (and if not, if there are other pet
supplies stores in the Boston area accessible by public transportation),
I'd appreciate knowing. Harvey may have been free, but I've spent easily
two hundred dollars on cage, food, litter, etc., in two months.

--
Ping Huang (INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu), probably speaking for himself

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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: bunny litter-training--help!
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:32:46 GMT

Stephanie Udry (gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu) wrote:

: also, the rabbit ahdnbook made it soundlike you can only urine train them, 
: not pellet train them...is this true?

I've never found a rabbit that could be "pellet-trained" - the nature of
their feces is such that it just kinda slips out... :)
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Funny bunnies
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:59:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.173224.1@stsci.edu> kenny@stsci.edu writes:
>Are there any other folks out there with bunnies as crazy (or daring) as this
>one?
>
>Debbie (slave to 9 bunnies)

Debbie: I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post. I highly recommend you
contact the House Rabbit Society, if you aren't a member already, and
submit to them a few choice photographs of your hrair of buns doing
their evening siflay. I have a few choice pictures of my one single Big
Bundle of Bun (15 lbs), but very few of us (with notable exceptions)
can approach your nine Buns.          << Hug Them >>
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Litter-training a bunny
Summary: No dumb bunnies...
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:47:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Dec16.182904.20246jp@tygra.Michigan.COM>, jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:

> He's still a dumb bunny as far as that goes.

I must take exception.  He may be a bunny who still has things to learn, but I'm
convinced that

		THERE ARE NO DUMB BUNNIES!

Seriously, I've been amazed at the intelligence of rabbits.  Unfortunately, when we
fail to understand their unique motivations, we often assume they're "dumb," but the
fact is that it is us, not them, who are either ignorant and need only to learn about
them, or who are too dumb to realize that there are things we need to learn!

(This isn't a flame...I think you meant your bunny just had things to learn.  But
lack of learning is >ignorance<, lack of intelligence is >stupidity<, and "dumb"
is slang for "stupid."  I felt compelled to make these comments only because of
the undeserved "dumb bunny" epithet that is so often applied to these intelligent
creatures by ignorant people.)

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
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From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: Litter-training a bunny
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:29:04 GMT

In article <BzBFrC.ErM@news.udel.edu> graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano) writes:
"
"Yes, rabbits are easy to litter-train. They are neat and clean and picky
"about where they go.  I had a rabbit (Marni) who would pick a corner, and
"I only had to put a box there.  No further training necessary.

BunBun, my new dwarf bunny has his own litter box. He only wizzes in there -
nowhere else. He has a piece of plywood in his cage that he likes to sit/sleep
on and he drops some pills there and then (unknowingly) sits/lays on them.
When he stands up to groom himself, he sniffs his belly and makes a wierd
face and then proceeds to clean them off.  He's still a dumb bunny as far
as that goes. I think it'll take time for him to learn.
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From: macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather)
Subject: Getting a ferret?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:06 GMT

Next year (hopefully!) I will be living in a place which permits pets.  I
have been considering getting a cat, but now am thinking about possibly
getting a ferret instead.  It's possible that whatever I get will have to
spend some time in my room when I'm not home (depending on what the other
rommamtes and landlord require)  Could anyone give me some advice on whether
a ferret could handle this?  Also, it's fairly cold where I live.  How are
they with cold?
Thanks!

Heather MacLeod                      "Diaper go down the hole!"
macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca                "Plucky go down the hole!"
Wilfrid Laurier University           "Water go down the hole!"
Waterloo, Ontario                    Plucky, Tiny Toon Adventures




  



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From: fease@dkas.enet.dec.com (Andrea Midtmoen Fease)
Subject: Scabbed Bunny Nose
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Marlboro MA
Date: 15 DEC 92 09:39:04    

Hi,

     We have a bunny which we rescued from the wild (the product of a wild
bunny and a domestic bunny that someone let go ... another one of those 
"it'll take care of itself" cases).  Near as we can tell, he's about 6 months
old and got in a tangle with a cat just before we got him.

     A couple days after we brought him in, he got snuffies and we gave him
some Vet-Rx for that.  That stuff is great, cured him up really well.

     The problem now is that he has big scabs on his little nose.  He's been
pulling them off when they've gotten big enough, but we can't help him because
he is, of course, very sensitive in that area.

     Is there any way we can help him?  Warm water soaking?  Some kind of 
ointment?  We'd like to avoid a vet if we could, since finances are really 
poor, so I've come to the NET first to see if anyone out there can help us
with a home remedy.

     Thanks!

					- Andrea
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From: rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura)
Subject: Re: fat bunny
Organization: The World
	<RMURA.92Dec14215105@world.std.com> <22911@drutx.ATT.COM>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:33:33 GMT

In article <22911@drutx.ATT.COM> njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:
> 
> In article <RMURA.92Dec14215105@world.std.com>, rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura) writes:
>> We had one rabbit that died from fur-balls,
>> probably of malnutrition, so I always feel it's better to err on
>> the side of a bit too much weight than too little.
> 
> Fur-balls don't cause malnutrition--death is likely to occur far sooner than
> malnutrition.

Well, we had an autopsy done and that is what the vet said happened 
(failure to eat due to effects of hairballs).

Yes, he was a rabbit specialist, as well as a member of the HRS.

-- 
- Ron Mura, Boston, Massachusetts              rmura@world.std.com

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From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang)
Subject: Re: House Rabbit Handbook.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Dec19.190253.26727@news.cs.indiana.edu>
	<1992Dec20.015530.2095@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:44:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.015530.2095@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:

 > I hope within a few years, film-based photography will become
 > seemlessly merged with digital imaging so that you [...]

Kodak's PhotoCD technology has a lot of promise in this respect in
making digital imaging accessible to the non-technical public. However,
I think arguably most of us would be disappointed by the resolution
available for files suitable for network distribution (e.g. it would use
an *AWFUL* lot of bandwidth to distribute the full-resolution PhotoCD
images at 24 bits of color and 3072x2048 pixels).

I think that it's much more exciting that rabbit owners are able to
converse about their pets in this forum with turnaround times orders of
magnitude shorter than entailed by publishing newsletter in print mailed
out to HRS subscribers than distributing photos will ever be.

--
Ping Huang (INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu), probably speaking for himself
From: hartman@oin.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: ferret troubles
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:45:45 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: world
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In article <Bz5M59.LzA@news.udel.edu> graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano) writes:
>lots of experience with pets but Cheerio has me stumped.  I've had him for
>several years but acquired him as an adult and am pretty sure he had a
>hard childhood.  Anyways hes a sweet cuddly thing with most people but if
>he doesn't like someone he can be very aggressive and go into
>'attack-ferret' mode.  He goes after men only, esp. if they are loud.  It

Cheerio sounds like a carbon copy of my Percy.  I'd say we should get
them together, but since Percy hates ALL males, not just humans, it
probably wouldn't be a good idea.  :)

Percy's also the exact same way about the litterbox.  She'll jump right
in if I catch her in the act, but she'll occasionally "miss".  She 
has gotten progressively better as time goes on, and will only miss if
I let the litterbox get too dirty, and then she'll only go right next 
to it, and not in random corners.  So I just put something down around 
the box for that occasion.  

I don't know that there really is anything you can do except to continue
what you're doing.  If he always goes in the same corners you could put
some plastic or newspaper down.  But the key is really consistency
and, unfortunately, time.

I also found a major turning point with Percy was when I graduated
and moved.  She seemed to be much better at searching out the
litterbox in her new home.  

- Nancy



-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
From: gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ginamaria Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Funny bunnies
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:05:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

well, this is the last post ill be posting...
ive graduated and am losing my account...

but, anyway...
we bought bob from a 9 tear old girl at the farmer's market for five dollars---
of course she had to check us out first, and make sure we were worthy...

its been fun and informative...
thanks for all the aide and advice...
gina and hex and bob...

and happy times with bunnies!
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From: ness@tc.fluke.COM (Jerry Ness)
Subject: Re: Fussy Ferrets and food
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:33:30 GMT

Our ferrets eat the same food as the cats, science diet feline maintenance.
For treats 4 outa 5 ferrets like raisins. 3 of them will climb up onto
the couch and 'sit-up' for their raisin.
Our geriatric (sp?) cat, Magellan, gets fed Iams canned food. 
JB (magellan -> jelly bean -> JB) will be 19 years old this spring. 

My wife thought he was having a little trouble with the dry food so
she started feeding him the canned food in the spare room. 
The other 2 cats love the his left-overs. Lately one of the ferrets
has been 'competing' with the cats for the left-overs. 

Another of the ferrets likes small pieces of potatoe chips.
They would all like some chocolate but we don't give them any.
The ferrets all get a small dose of Nutrical at bed time. My wife also
uses the Nutrical to distract the ferrets when she clips their nails.
She puts a ferret on it's back in her lap with an open tube of Nutrical
on her leg next to their face. They like the stuff so much they lick
at the opening like crazy and completely ignore the fact she's clipping
all their nails. She also brings a tube of Nutrical for all trips to
the vets. You all know much these carpet sharks like their temperature
taken. The Nutrical distracts them almost every time. Our vet was
amazed.

'nuf ramblin'
Jerry
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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Bunny grunts:  friendly or... (was Re: bunny's new favorite food...
Keywords: help! nervous bunny mom!
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:24:51 -0500

In article <1g8r8rINN7mj@overload.lbl.gov> horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman) writes:
>My friend's rabbit (Nikki) won't eat anything but her pellets, hay and
>papaya tablets. We have tried every good treat and a few bad ones and
>nothing pleases her. She is just picky I guess. She is a bit of a
>grunt (that is also what she does when you get near her!) Sort of
>like her owner I suppose.
>Jennifer


Dink has been doing the grunting thing lately.  He has been REAL
active lately, and if you try and subdue him or get in his way, he'll
grunt.  Sounds hilarious.  He also gets to excited and runs himself
ragged that his breath sounds rough and he ends up doing a grunt or
two then, as well.  He's so playfull lately.  He's throwing things
(literally) everywhere. 

amy
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From: gretchen@ugcs.caltech.edu (Gretchen Mullendore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: GUINEA PIG SICK!  HELP!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:09:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Hi!  I've had a guinea pig for a couple years, now, and she fortunately 
continues to be happy and healthly.  However, I agreed to take care of a
friend's pig for the holidays, and the poor thing seems very unhealthy to
me... I'd like any advice I can get.
Symptoms:
	-lethargic
	-unnaturally skinny
	-doesn't touch food (will go up and sniff at it and then not eat)
I tried feeding new foods- large variety, but nothing seems to work.  He
ate the banana, I think, and because of the fact that he eats soft foods,
and I know hasn't had any chew toys, I'm wondering if it's a teeth problem.
He went through a period of chewing on the bars of his cage (last time I took
care of him), but I didn't think it was a serious problem.  Is this a bad
diagnosis?  Is there anything I can do (aside from taking him to a vet?)

Please email your answers.

Thanks so much!

Gretchen
gretchen@ugcs.caltech.edu
From: wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Sneezing Darwin
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:25:28 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Well, I knew it wouldn't be long before I became worried and
neurotic about Darwin's health.  He's been great, actually, and
growing and shedding and being a general maniac around the house.  I
just set up an office in the room with his cage (he spends about 80-
90% of his time in the cage, even with the door open, and about 2 to
3 hours an evening downstairs with all the animals and us, running
about).  Anyway, so now that I sat still in a room with him, and
killed lots of valuable time gazing blankly at him, I noticed that
he sneezed about once every 15 or 20 minutes.  Then (because I looked
hard) I thought his respirations were a *bit* labored, but of course
I haven't been looking at him with that worry in the past.  I also
convinced myself that he's been eating fewer pellets (he's 10 lb now
and eats approx. 2/3 cup twice a day), and a quick touch of his bun
nose revealed a little bit of serous (watery) discharge.
This computer is messing up, so I hope I don't lose part of this letter.  I was  
saying I'm a vet, but that doesn't make me rest any easier.  I know his breeder
had pasteurellosis (snuffles, etc.) in the rabbitry, but it's been months, and
Darwin has not been stressed as far as I know, except for daily doing a little
running on a linoleum floor (to reach the carpet).

Does anyone have any insights about watery discharge, sneezing, etc. in an
otherwise playful, grooming, but-eating-less rabbit?  Obviously, I'll take his
temp. and listen more to his lungs, but they only sounded a bit harsh/normal. 
I'll probably start him on tetracycline or enrofloxacin (Baytril) - any
thoughts out there??  OH NO I don't want Darwin to be sick....

I'm a vet, but that doesn't make me rest easier.  I know his breeder
had pasteurellosis in the rabbitry (snuffles etc), but it's bee
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Sandalwood update
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:29:24 GMT

...for those who care.. :)

Sandalwood the Rabbit is back at home, following a two-week stint in the
hospital (and a $700+ vet bill!).  She had surgery twice, but is back on
the mend, terrorizing "her human", but being left *away* from the cats!
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From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Re: Ferret Hiccups
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:27:27 GMT

palmj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm) writes:

>Does anyone else have a ferret with a major "clucker" voice. 

This very much depends on their personality. Some of them just
are easier to entertain than others, and if your can have lots
of fun in such an easy way, good for you and it.

Natasha clucks rather often and is generally easy to please; 
Allison also shows when she's having fun, but she's harder to
please and hisses more often when she can't have things her
way. Like: "Darn, this toy is too large to bring under the sofa";
"When I tell you to lift me up, you must do it"; "This is my
toy, I don't care if you saw it first". She is smaller, but
has a stronger will. When we went to see some other ferrets, a
male twice their size gave Natasha a mild beating (she just
looked like "wonder why he does this?", but Allison pinned him
to the floor and held him there.

My theory is that this has to do with how they were brought up.
They are from the same litter, but as Allison was the runt, she
was coddled more. (And their owner couldn't tell Natasha and
the third sister apart either. When I came to inspect them, their
mother had a harness on "so we wouldn't mix them up", but I could
instantly see that she was smaller and had a more pointy face,
then there was Allison who is lighter, and then there were two
nearly the same, but one happier than the other, with a slightly
different pattern on the face. I chose her first, because of that,
and Allison so that other people could tell them apart.)

At first it seemed like Allison would be the most affectionate,
but it turned out that it really was Natasha, only I had to 
teach her not use her teeth in peoples' faces when she wanted
affection.

>...does
>everybody elses's ferret do that out-of-the-litter-box "butt-wipe (tm)"?

I should hope so. One that doesn't doesn't behave like a proper
ferret. As far as I know, it's an instinct and not something they
learn.
--
 Urban Fredriksson  urf@icl.se  
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From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Subject: ferrets
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:13:52 GMT

About noises ferrets make... 'clucking' is a happy playful sound, made
mostly by youngsters but also by adults when particularly riled up. 
Hissing is a warning, I think more to say 'leave me alone' than 'I'm going
to hurt you'.
From: Darrel.Westbrook@f20.n2608.z1.fidonet.org (Darrel Westbrook)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: unusual sightings
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:45:34 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2608/20 - Phoenix High School, Phoenix NY

What to believe in?  Do I believe what other people tell they believe is the truth?  Do I take what they say, combine it with what I believe or know and realize a new prespective?  What is the size of the universe?  What came first, the chicken or the egg?  Can computers reason?  Rebelah, as you grow older you will learn or determine the answers to many of your questions and two more will arise for every answer you find.  It keeps life interesting!


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From: Jessica.Smith@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jessica Smith)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Clearcuts
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:40:43 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Hi, my name is Jessica Smith and I am from Bonners Ferry High
School.  A couple of friends of mine have written about logging and
clearcuts so I decided to express my opinion.  Personally I don't
see a problem with cutting down trees as long as there is enough
left over, but, if you look around our community there is plenty of
trees.  There are some states where they have overcut, but they
should have seen it coming.  I see nothing wrong with clearcuts in
moderation, because they usually replant anyways.  Most of our
forests are replanted around here so it doesn't stay bare forever. 
 
Our community is built on logging and if the industry were to fall
for timber, I don't know what would happen to our town-it would be
devastated.  I would like to know how logging effects your
community and if the industry effects your family personally.  I
would like to know.
                         Jessica Smith



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