HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: not to fuel the fire, but...
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:13:49 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <CSHORT.92Nov14050742@ogygia.nmsu.edu> cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.) writes:

>  The reason for the delay of the Falcon is that Atari has
>pulled it back and redesigned the graphics system. This was done
>when they got the specifications for the A1200.

How long have they had the specs for the A1200? Probably not long I guess, as
the machine is very new! I would be very surprised if you are correctly using
the past tense when you say "redesigned". Graphics chips take *years* to
develop, not weeks.

>This is done to ensure that the Falcon is better than
>the A1200 in all ways!!!

It doesn't run Amiga Release 3.

>  Machines should be shipping by the end of next week.

Rubbish. How can they make radical changes to the chipset, plus the software
to cope with the changes, and have it all ready, working, and thoroughly tested
within such a short timespan?

Barry.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:46:25 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: SCS GP/Engineering Cluster

In article <BxvyqF.7MA@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>[The following is from USA TODAY, 11/17/92]

[stuff deleted]

>   Commodore can't even develop a screen blanker in 14 weeks!  Now that IBM
>has improved their ability to respond to technological changes in the computer
>industry, Commodore has now become by far the slowest company in the computer
>industry in this respect.  IBM has reduced their response time to industry
>announcements to hours in some cases.  When Compaq announced cuts in the list
>prices of their systems, for instance, IBM responded by reducing the list
>prices of their PS/ValuePoint systems within the same hour.  
>
>   By comparison, Commodore's response time can almost be measured in decades.
>Commodore responded to Apple's announcement of the Mac II by shipping a system
>with almost exactly the same capbilities five years later.  And Commodore
>responded to the standardization of high-density floppy drives in the computer
>industry by finally adopting them on Amiga systems over four years after IBM,
>Apple, and every other company in the industry made HD floppies standard on
>nearly all systems.  Commodore still has not developed any CD-ROM drives for
>their A2000, A3000, and A4000 systems, and still has not developed any 
>notebook Amigas to penetrate the exploding notebook PC market.  Commodore can
>probably be expected to ship these products on the fourth or fifth anniversary
>of the availability of these products by other companies.
>
>---
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Marc, take this to .advocacy right now.  I grow tired of reading your posts
in these other newsgroups where the subject matter belongs in .advocacy.

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From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:03:03 GMT

In <1992Nov15.171003.10045@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>Okay, let's apply that same logic to other issues.  The car thief never bought
>the car, nor would they have bought it, therefore there is no net gain and
>no net loss.

Yes there is: something physical is stolen, which prevents someone else from
legally buying it. The point the original poster was making is that - even
if they "steal" the software - the original package will be available for 
someone else to buy. The software company does not actually lose something
physical as a result. It's all on paper. :-)  My understanding of whether
someone is depriving a software company of money is: would they have paid
real money for that package if they couldn't copy it? An example: someone
has a copy of ProPage on their HD. They use it maybe twice a year for running
off a CV. Is it worth paying $200 (or whatever) for that privilege? If copying
software was impossible, would they buy it? No, they would just find a friend
who had bought it, call over to him/her, and borrow their machine for an hour
or so. So the software company doesn't lose out in the end.

Barry.
From: Rick_Kelly@amicol.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upsurge in CD-I ads
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:30:43 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

In a message dated Sat  7 Nov 92  0:27, Paula_lieberman@amicol.uucp (paula 
wrote:

 P> Path: Paula_Lieberman
 P> From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
 P> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
 P> Subject: Re: Upsurge in CD-I ads
 P> Distribution: world
 P> Message-ID: <Paula_Lieberman.071o@amicol.UUCP>
 P> Date: 7 Nov 92 00:27:15 EDT
 P> Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Quoting seems to work for me.

 P> Well, since Philips -dropped- its line of MS-DOS/Windows machines.....


 P> -- Via DLG Pro v0.992

What can I say?

Rick Kelly     rkamiga.UUCP   and other sites

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:40:03 GMT

Quoth jagrizza@uncc.edu:
]> > /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ 
]> >(  10 rem *** Nice program! ***             |   Letters: abcdefghijklmnopq    )
]> > ) 20 print"Espen Skoglund is my name. ";   |            rstuwxyzABCDEFGHI   (
]> >(  30 goto 20                               |            JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ    )
]> > \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/
]> 
]> this is my first flame (ever!) but this really has to be done...
]> 
]> can you kill this sig??  *PLEASE??*

Why?

Is there something offensive in this fellow's .sig?  Hm, repetitive program
in BASIC (ack), some dashes, the alphabet.  Hm, nothing I can see...

Brain police?

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From: barham@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:03:05 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Oops! my last message about eggplant, egg on face and everything had
lots of ugly header garbage at the top.  This message is merely to test
whether or not I can actually post without all that ugly header garbage
on the top (eggplant was my first post!).  Sorry if you downloaded this
with the expectation that you would be reading another installment in
the vital discussion of eggplant versus Trashintosh.

Perhaps I can add some realistic and argument quenching PI's (personal
insights) into this whole matter...

1) The Quadra is undoubtedly a pretty decent beast.  Nice accelerated
   (apparently) 24-bit graphics, nice fast processor.  It's a pity
   about the price, but what did anyone expect from Apple?

2) Until SOMEONE out there reports that EMPLANT is working properly for
   them, the whole argument seems a little pointless to me.  I know it
   probably all started out as just a little bit of conjecture, but WHO
   CARES ABOUT THAT NOW?

3) When the NEXT range of Amigas come out they will undoubtedly blow away
   the Quadras for a much more reasonable price, but WHO KNOWS what Apple
   will have out by then?  I suspect Apple has a lot more money to spend
   on R&D than Commodore, even if they don't have the raw talent in
   Engineers we find at CBM.

4) I'll still be sticking with my Amiga, because WHO WANTS MAC EMULATION
   ANYWAY?  Why boast that Amigas can emulate Macs and PCs (yes I know it's
   useful, but I'm on my high horse here...) and they can't emulate us -
   the reason they can't emulate us is because THEY DON'T WANT TO!  If they
   wanted to emulate an Amiga they'd BUY ONE (interestingly, you can't do
   this the other way around because it costs too much to buy a half decent
   Mac)!

That's all.  Chow.

t.barham@qut.edu.au

(now, if I can just get this stupid sig to work...)

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From: vesty@bart.camb.inmet.com (Matt Vesty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amouse and Janus 2.1
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:09:31 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

Back to the original subject.  Has anyone gotten amouse to work with
Janus 2.1?  If so, how?

Thanks.
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:09:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.181133.25586@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>Well, since virtually no one has referred to the Comdex show, I thought
>that I would mention the fact that the PC version of Quicktime is being
>lauded as a revolutionary contribution to the market.

I know I'm biased..but here we go: QT-PC is lame! The guy at their
boot claimed that it had better sound-video synch, but it looked
like a badly dubbed kung-fu movie. MS-AVI stomps QT-PC in the sound-video
sync area. QT-PC did have the ability to play backwards, something
MS-AVI lacks.

>
>Aside from assessing its merits, does anyone have any comments on the
>practicality of developing Amiga support for it?

Add compression to CDXL files and you have excellent competition for
Quicktime and MS-AVI. The Amiga already has an excellent audio-video
format in CDXL, they just need to add software compression/decompression
to it and make it a part of the OS on ALL Amigas.

A friend and I are looking into developing a MS-AVI player/Editor for the
Amiga. Don't hold your breath withing for it though...

>BTW, kudos to CBM for lining up an impressive number of third-party
>developers. The press release seemed quite encouraging.

The C= booth was very nice and had some excellent full-motion anim demos going
that really put everybody else to shame.


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From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:26:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.091008.8775@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
>In <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>>pay for all that sound and graphics muscle is if you really need it.  If you
>>do need it, the Amiga is a decent deal on the low end, but for high-end work,
>>PC peripherals are usually cheaper and often they are better supported and
>>more 'state-of-the-art.'  How long did the Amiga wait for AGA?
>
>How long did the PC wait for the mouse? 10-15 years?

Well, that's a little before my time, but Windows and OS/2 have both been 
around since the mid-80's, and I seem to remember my Dad using a mouse on his
PC for a long time before that.  Anyway, I believe the IBM PC was introduced
in '81, so I reckon it was no more than 5 years. 

At any rate, the PC (at that time) never claimed to be the state-of-the-art
in user interfaces, the way the Amiga tries to claim state-of-the-art in video.

John W. Linville




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From: David_Stevens@logopol.amsbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (David Stevens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: IIF Picture & WB 2.1
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:44:09 EST
Organization: Logopolis - Berlin, New Jersey (12:00 am thru 6:30 am EST)

Can anyone tell me how to have a picture (16 colors) load on the WorkBech
screen with WorkBench 2.1. I have 16 colors in my preferences for
Workbench. I would like to have a picture on the background instead of a
pattern.
                         Thank You.

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HEIDI'S DECISION. Was: Oh My God, help my friend not buy an IBM
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:59:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

[the further adventures of Heidi]
'>Anyways, I don't know which road she will take, I'm leaving it totally
'>up to her and your insights from your postings.  She is going to make
'>up her mind this week.  By then it would be too late for her to easily
'>cancel her 33Mhz Gateway clone.
	
	If she does decide to get the Gateway PC, she's getting a very nice
   machine.  I've had a 33/486 for over a year now and have never had a single
   problem with it.  I wouldn't recommend getting the Gateway monitor though,
   get a Sony 1304 or an NEC instead, thats what I did.  From reading the other
   PC groups, the Gateway monitors have a bad track record.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>EJR
From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Why consider an Amiga?  [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:01:58 GMT
Reply-To: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifbb657@donald.cc.utexas.edu

Here are a couple of questions (Flames OK)

1:  What is the difference between programming on a Mac or an Amiga?

2:  Will Apple's ButtKicker line (PowerPC) kill off the C= line?

3:  I heard the Amiga is the only computer out there with every
    major app key-disk or hardware copy-protected.  It this true,
    or crockery?

4:  How large is the C= presence in the US and worldwide?

4.5:  What are these freddie fish, or whatever thingies that are at
      the local archive site?

5:  Is the Amiga considered a workstation? :-) (For people reading c.s.m.a)

6:  Is there a UNIX that is runnable on the systems?

7:  Where can I find a C= dealer?  (These birds are as rare as
    hen's teeth around Austin, TX)

8:  What encryption proggies are there to secure hard disks or files?

9:  Does C= sell TEMPEST spec Amigas?

10:  How crashworthy is the Amiga OS?

11:  (The beeg question :-)  Why should I port stuff over to the
     Amiga line?

PS:  Thanks in advance for any mail, and flames.

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From: dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:29:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: nrlvx1.1992Nov17.082957.878
 <SUOPANKI.92Nov12192807@zombie.oulu.fi> <1992Nov13.080654.874@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil> <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu>
Organization: NRL SPACE SYSTEMS DIVISION

In article <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu>, linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.080654.874@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil> dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer) writes:
>>So you can "get" co-processor boards, but the amiga's are standard and
>>integrated into the design - imagine if the sound-blaster was standard from day
>>one in every pc.  See the advantage :)
> 
> Sarcasm on;
> 
> Yeah!  Then, everytime I needed a PC to use as a printer server, or a word
> processor, or a CAD station, or anything else beside a game or 'multimedia'
> machine, I would still have to pay for the extra cost of sound hardware.  That
> sounds like a great idea!  Then, the MacIntosh and the Amiga wouldn't be the
> only two computers that made you waste money to get sound hardware whether
> you needed it or not.
> 
> Sarcasm off;
>
                
No offense, but thats what amigas are for.  If you don't want an integrated
system, get a PC. Had a PC. IMHO They suck.  I was even excited about them at
the time, so I understand your attitude.  But while the ami has problems, the
community is really on a role.  Its great having as a common-denominator
real-time animation and great sound. See, I only want to buy one computer: 
word processing, CAD, sound, animation, .... and I want it integrated: arexx, 
OS graphics & interface support, CLIs with GUIs, flexible file system (IBM DOS,
or amiga, or ...) and all standard.

sarcasm on:
                                                          
I wouldn't waist an amiga as a printer server.  I might put your pc to the task,
though :)

sarcasm off.
            
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From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Subject: Re: An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:08:29 GMT

In article <al158305.721494459@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:

>   Maybe the problem is that we don't have to have a do-all end-all word-
>processing program, since, you see, programs have this little arexx port
>that let them be controlled, send data and retrieve data from other places,
>allow them to interact with, say, a database program, or... whatever else
>that has an arexx port, so you see, one application doesn't have to do ALL,
>when some can do it just fine. Multitasking, see?
>
>   I think it's a trend with PC apps, they just have to do EVERYTHING, or
>else it's worthless.

	You seem to think that Arexx is the king of the hill, and render
any sub-standard Amiga programs into a killer applications. 

	That's true, sometimes it's quite useful, and it's been 
used on other plateform. However, lets just take Word for Windows; 
it has a powerful (basic-like) macro-language, and offer embedding of 
other applications data into the text (an Excel worksheet 
directly into Word document, what a change? Double-click on
it, and Excel pops up with the spreadsheet ready to be edited...). You
get TWO powerful applications working together, sharing data in a way
never ARexx itself could achieve.

	And, for most OLE jobs, no programmin' required too.

	Final Copy offers a good ARexx interface, but sure lacks in MANY
ways.   And, don't forget that OS/2 has Rexx too included in every copy
of it.  So, what's the point?   

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From: u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au (Justin Jay Lister)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:53:12 GMT

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>	That's crazy.  I am very interested in computers, I simply need
>>my computer to do more than the Amiga cn offer.  And believe it or not,
>>a PC can be equipped to do more for me than an Amiga could ever.

>Out of curiosity, what sort of equipment does you PC have that isn't available
>for the Amiga?

Equipment that slows your machine down to dead dog slow, you can put it in
a super sonic craft and it still moves slow hardware architecture, software
that you need 1000Megs and a few hundred gigs of hd space to keep any decent
progs. Apart from that nothing, though they largly lacking in the comparison
to some of the hardware/software avail for us. 

IBM USER NOTE:
1. We have 16bit sound cards
2. We have 160MFLOP gfx cards (how many of them you have eh?)
3. We have a superior hardware architecture
4. We have a small, efficent,speedy OS (very creative int driven, msg pass OS)
5. We have a scene in which one can be proud to belong
6. We don't have 200 meg wp that are only 10% usefull, sure it looks great on
   a spec sheet (now use all them functions hehehe )
7. We have autoconfig
8. We have decent morphing, animation, rendering/raytracing software
9. We have a software that doesn't cost the earth
10. We don't have the likes of MS who try to breed the idea that big is better
11. We have people who are generally the computer guru/hobbiest crowd
12. We aren't just a bunch of game players (how many games you have on your Hd
    - I have one!)
14. We aren't you 8)
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