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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:21:54 GMT

In article <5366@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Tate N Smith) writes:

>Fundamentally, we know that performance really reflects ability because it
>tends to follow a nice stable pattern from year to year, if you look at enough
>players to see the trend that's there under the noise.  In fact, if you look 
>at the big fluctuations in Fielder's career and those in Canseco's career, you
>might well get the idea that Canseco is quite a bit better than Fielder in
>actual ability, since Canseco's bad times are well-explained by obvious injury
>problems, while Fielder's are mostly mysterious.

>>	2) You've got to be in the lineup to get RBIs. Fielder is in more often
>>	   than Canseco.
>
>Yup.  So is Omar Vizquel.  

So what has Vizquel led the league in? And BTW, Vizquel has NOT been in the 
lineup more than Canseco the last 3 years or the last 2 years. This year, as
of the 30th of August, Omar had 394 PAs, Jose had 404.

>Of course.  And the Tigers scored all those runs because of the outstanding
>performances of Whitaker, Phillips, Tettleton, Fielder, Fryman, and a few
>good role players.  Giving Fielder all the credit simply because he's the one
>who ended the rallies is absurd.

"Ended the rallies"? Hmm. Doesn't SEEM like Fielder had 130+ Sac Flies each of
the last 3 years. Perhaps you could post those numbers for us.
In the "Oh by the way" category, Fryman had a worse OBP AND SLG than Fielder 
last year (and the year before). In 1990, Fielder had the highest SLG and OBP 
on the team. (Yes Dave, higher than Whit, etc). Tigers were 2nd in the league 
in runs. This year (a bad year for Fielder) his OBP is about the same as 
Fryman's (~10 pts less) his SLG is higher (~20 pts), so if Fryman's having an 
outstanding year at the plate, Fielder must be as well. This year, he and Tet'
are slugging at about the same rate (Tet's OBP is higher), which is the highest
SLG of anyone who hasn't missed at least 30 games (Whitaker can't contribute if
he isn't playing; ditto Deer). The Tigers are LEADING the league in runs now. 
Also in the BTW category, the guys in front of Fielder score once every 3 times
they reach base (better than that, actually). Hardly any evidence that he's
"killing rallies". In fact, that's the best in the league.

>One might just as well argue that every umbrella in Seattle is a much better
>umbrella than any umbrella in Somalia, because the ones in Seattle deflect a
>whole lot more rain every year.

????? I thought this was rec.sport.baseball.

Mike
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:33:00 GMT

In article <31AUG92.14181014@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu                   writes...
>There are such a lot of ex-football players who turn into actors
>(alleged actors, that is).  Alex Karras, Dandy Don Meredith, etc. etc.
>and let's not forget that brilliant thespian Fred Dryer.  How come
>there aren't any ex-baseball player actors?  There's Bob Uecker
>I suppose, but other than that I can't think of anybody.
> 
>A sportswriter friend of mine has a theory about this.  He says
>that baseball players are much, much stupider than athletes in
>other sports (even hockey!  I was surprised at that) and therefore
>are too dumb to be actors.  Any comments?
> 

You forgot about Brian Bosworth, alias "The Boz". He starred in a stupid movie 
last year. However after seeing the commercials for it, I knew it was too 
stupid to waste money on so I've forgotten the name of it. 

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: What is slugging percentage?
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:17:23 GMT

In article <GILFORD.92Sep3132725@lexus.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi) writes:

>>>Would someone fill in an ignorant casual fan as to exactly what the slugging
>   >>percentage is? Thanks.
>   >     (1*singles+2*doubles+3*triples+4*HRs)/# of AB

>What is the highest season slugging percentage which has ever been
>recorded and by whom?  Feel free to give more than one if you have the
>stats. 

Babe Ruth, 1920, with .847.  Ruth is 2nd and 3rd on this list, too.
Gehrig, 1927, is 4th with .765.  Ruth is 5th, 8th, 9th, 11th, and 16th,
too!

Since WWII, the highest is Ted Williams with .731 in 1957.  Best since
1961 is Mantle in 1961: .687.  Best since 1970 is Aaron in 1971: .669.
Brett leads the 80's with .664 in 1980.  
>
Oh, and Ruth is also 23, 24, 37, 48, and 52 on the all-time list.

Gulp.

Roger
From: jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson)
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:04:05 GMT

In article <bacarlso.715320082@silver> bacarlso@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brad Carlson) writes:
> And all of this has been accomplished in a hitter's ballpark.  

_HOW_ can you possibily say Wrigley field is a hitter's ballpark?  How many times has the wind blown out this season? 6? 7?
 Wrigley field has given up less homers than the Astrodome this year.
 Come on!

_______________________________________________________________________________
YES! i AM a cubs fan.                          jnelson@iastate.edu
Sign Barry Bonds!                              go 'clones!
Sign Wade Boggs!                               --------------------------------
Sign Greg Maddux!                              ask me why my school wont let
Trade Steve Buchelle!                          me read what i want...



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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Baseball and Billions
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 18:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.180411.18814@cis.ohio-state.edu> miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey) writes:
>when I attend a Reds game, and many fans that I 
>have talked to liked Crosley Field better, and do not like Riverfront, but
>we still go to games and spend money. If you think most people do not prefer
>a more, shall we say, asthetically correct (Ha, Ha) ballpark, I would
>say Camden Yards and the new stadiums being built in Cleveland, Denver
>and Arlington are evidence that your wrong. 

Of course most people prefer Camden Yards to Riverfront. But this
is a point in your "powerful commisioner is better than the free
market" argument? It seems to be more of an argument in Sherri's
favor. 

The fans *do* like Camden Yards better. Enough better so Oriole 
attendance is much higher than it was last year. Enough better so 
that owners who are building new stadiums see financial benefit in 
building them that way. 

How does the movement toward stadiums the fans prefer, a movement 
that occurred with no intervention at all from any baseball commisioner, 
a movement that occurred solely because it benefitted the owners 
financially, boost your argument?



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From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Collusion or Sanity?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:17:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Sep3.191755.29627
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

In article <1992Sep2.214245.9298@odin.corp.sgi.com>, luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:

|> With the uncertainties of the new TV contract looming, will the owners 
|> be willing to shell out the kind of money that they have in the past?

Yes, for the super-stars, anyway. Somebody (Gammons, I think) on ESPN the 
other night said that baseball is very close to the point where 10% of the
players will pull 50% of all the salary dollars.

Bill Veeck, some number of years ago said that it wasn't the price of stardom
that he minded so much, it was the price of mediocrity.
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Conflict of interest (was: Re: Braves/Expos Thurs. Score?)
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:25:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug27.232414.27445@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, 
marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon Marwood) writes...
>In article <1992Aug28.022011.17229@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
ellis@tomato.cis.ohio-state.edu (steven lawrence ellis) writes:
>>Does anyone know this score?  Is the game over?  Go Expos/Reds!!!
>>
>>Stv
> 
>As of 11:22 eastern time, the game is still in a rain delay, and does not
>seem to have started. They will likely (obviously) wait as long as possible
>for Tropical Depression Andrew to pass by before calling the game, as each
>game is important to both teams, and the two don't meet again this year.
> 
>Simon
> 

It was rained out.  Presumably, it will be played on Monday, October 5, if
and only if it is needed to decide a pennant race.  

Doesn't this create a potential conflict-of-interest?  
Entirely hypothetical situation:  
It is Oct. 5.  The Braves are the NL West winners, having clinched on Sept. 30.
The Pirates have played all 162 games, and the Expos 161 (due to this rainout).
The Expos are 1/2 game behind the Pirates; if they win the make-up game with   
the Braves, then the Pirates must play a 1-game play-off.  **The Pirates are 
all healthy, but the Expos have been hit by injuries to 3 key players in the 
last week.**  Do the Braves really want to win?  Will they use their best 
starting line-up?  Isn't there a huge temptation to let the injury-ridden team
win?  
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Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."   
World Championships:  Brooklyn-----1955   
                      Los Angeles--1959  1963  1965  1981  1988
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Major Award Votes
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:07:00 GMT

In article <5442@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)                writes...
> 
>National League
> 
>	C	Scott Servais		.477 OPS; qualifies under Arnsberg rule
>	1B	Andres Galarraga	clearly ready for the Big Cat box
>	2B	Jose Lind		*nobody's* D makes up for a .539 OPS
>	3B	Dave Hansen		Worse than Jeff King (but not Wehner)
>	SS	Rafael Belliard		...again.
>	LF	Luis Salazar		...by a lot over Stan Javier.
>	CF	Darren Lewis		soundly trouncing Doug Dascenzo
>	RF	Ruben Amaro		105 points below league OPS average
> 
It is good to see that Luis whom I love to pick on is being given some award 
this year. Now all we need is a list of people for the Lead Arm award which 
includes such luminaries as Jose Awfulman (36 errors). d::-) Gee, I thought 
that Steve Sax was the worst fielder to play for the Dodgers. At least, both 
were home grown and not transplants.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster trade
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:13:41 GMT
Organization: Boo!  
Keywords: Canseco, Sierra, Witt, Russel

In <1992Sep1.043917.22083@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.040424.13081@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>
>>But what will Oakland look like next year?  Their free agents include
>>Ruben Sierra, Mike Moore, Dave Stewart, Jeff Russell, Mark McGwire,
>>Ron Darling, Terry Steinbach, Harold Baines, Rick Honeycutt, Gene
>>Nelson, Willie Wilson, Kelly Downs, Carney Lansford, Randy Ready,
>>Jamie Quirk, and Rich Gossage.
>>
>>That's 16 players from the 25 man roster.  Two thirds of the team!
>>It'll be a fun winter in Oakland!
>>

>It certainly looks like someone in Oakland was preparing for the
>expansion draft...

I suspect the A's are attempting to stockpile enough first, sandwich,
and second round draft picks in the 1993 draft to eara a spot in the
Guinness Book of World Records.  

Greg 
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From: hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto)
Subject: Re: Braves 15 to protect
Reply-To: hutto@smtc.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:46:34 GMT

In article <67466@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu wrote:
>}
>}Who is M Nieves?
>
>Melvin Nieves is a swith-hitting outfielder.
>
>Here are his numbers at AA Greenville this season:
>
>AVG   OBA   AB    R    H    2B    3B    HR    RBI   BB   SO    SB    CS    E
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>..283  .381  350   61   99   23    5     18    75    52   98    6     4     5
>             ^^^                                     ^^   ^^
>I believe this comes out to a .531 SLG.
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>
>     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"

    Let's see...

    52 BB in 350 AB, that's probably (I'm guessing) around 1 BB per 7 PA,
    not too bad for a youngster.

    98 K in 350 AB, that's well over than 1 K per 4 PA, much be those
    killer power pitchers down in AA.

    Let's don't trade Gant or Justice right away, OK?

-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: 'Ol George goes for 3000, BUT ...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.181206.10623@tssi.com> nolan@tssi.com writes:
>
>I wonder what the value of having Brett in the lineup is at the box office?
>Personally, I think he has been a lot more productive at the plate than a
>few other 'name' players also in the twilight of HOF-caliber careers.

I agree.  He's been slightly below-average the last couple of years,
but that isn't equivalent to "worthless".  Even average players have
significant value.  (Don't I wish the Red Sox had a couple more!)

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: BLOCKBUSTER TRADE!
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.052431.16927@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>I think the trade will cost Oakland in the long run, unless they can sign
>Sierra.  

I've seen and heard this line of reasoning before. And it doesn't make 
sense.
In order for Oakland to have made a 'good' trade they have to sign
someone who they would have had the same chance to sign had they not
made the trade.
Think about it.
Don
don@island.com
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Regarding the proposed Fielder FAQ
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:19:37 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep3.013349.15215@midway.uchicago.edu> nss3@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Oh, I don't know.  "Make outs, not walks" could become the mantra of
>the nineties :-).

Oh, we just think we're SOOOOOOOOOOO hilarious, don't we, Mr. "Baseball Weekly"?

Look, buddy, if I feel some woebegotten need to be a straight man for you, I'll
tell you.  Don't think I won't.  If I can make Ted Frank laugh out loud, I don't
need some magazine lifer 1-800 caller Barry Bonds New York and Chicago
bootlicker to tell ME when to put a smiley on a post.  "Make outs, not walks"?
Geez!  If you're so funny, why don't you just call the Weekly again and tell
THEM!!!!!   I'm sure they'd just LOOOOVVE to print it!!!!!

:)

Seriously, assuming that was you on page 23, how many copies did you buy?

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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: SF - Galarraga
Organization: NSSL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:58:45 GMT

Well, it finally happened.  In the eighth inning at Houston
last night, Andres Galarraga hit a sacrifice fly to score
Ray Lankford to tie the Cardinal-Astro game at 3-3, en route
to a 5-3, 13 inning Cardinal win.  It was Andres's 305th
plate appearance of the year and was his first sacrifice of
any kind since 1990.

As was fitting for the first game back at home for the Astros
after the Road Trip, other strange things went on as well.  
Andujar Cedeno, called up from AAA earlier in the day, became
the first Astro to hit for the cycle in 15 years.  Bernard 
Gilkey threw out the potential winning run at the plate in
both the 10th and 11th innings to keep the Cardinals alive.
(Milo Hamilton, in particular, and Larry Dierker, Astro
announcers, kept going on and on that Paul Runge had missed
the call on both plays and said that they weren't close.)

There's still the HBP v. BB race to watch.

Harold
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Andres Galarraga (Through 25 August)  .235 BA  .367 SLG  .277 OBA
27 H away from .300  8 HBP  9 BB    
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Organization: Clark University
Date: 3 SEP 92 13:29:23 GMT

>Robin Yount is no beauty either.

Hey, I think Robin Yount is kinda cute.  He looks like a Civil War
soldier from an old Mathew Brady photograph.  Also, he has good legs ;-)

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:44:40 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Sep02.131254.23869@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.125041.21941@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

...

>> Six teams had better RBI men than did the Detroit Tigers.  Two teams with
>> worse RBI men, the Orioles and Mariners, had RBI men who played much more
>> difficult defensive positions than first base at a cost of about 2 additional
>> RBIs.


>I won't argue the numbers but, as always, statistics are quite misleading:
				^^^^^^^^^
especially when they provide strong evidence that your assertions are wrong...

>	1) You indicate each performers RBI vs. RISP, but there's no 
>	   quantification of the pitching quality. How do I know that the
>	   avg. ERA of the pitchers Fielder faced in these situations wasn't
>	   a half point lower than those Canseco faced.

Well, did you look it up?  What *is* the ERA of the pitchers faced
by each player?

...

>	3) Maybe six teams had better RBI men than the Tigers, but they have 
>	   led the league in runs scored the past two or three years. That's
>	   what really counts.

We have reached agreement!  The point of disagreement is that you 
contend that Fielder is substantially responsible for the runs, and
thf (with lots of agreement by daves and dave-wanna-bes) says
that Tettleton, Fryman, Phillips and Whitaker on the whole contributed
more.  Fielder just got more of the accounting entries called RBIs.


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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: OH! Sherri won't like this. (Re: Sierra to be traded?)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:31:59 GMT

In article <BtLDwB.E9z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>
>Something that complicates the issue for the Rangers even more is their
>shortstop situation.  There's no one on the major league roster you'd 
>want to start '93 with.

What about Huson?  He's not great, but he is a pretty good fielder (I
think) and is in his prime.  His career .600 OPS might scare you, but
it isn't *that* bad for a shortstop.  And he is hitting for a .700+
OPS this year.  He even has speed on the basepaths (17-5 SB/CS
record).

And the Rangers still have rights to Dickie Thon, if they want him.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Ack-man Lives!
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:09:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug26.152444.17964@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:
>
>Recently, whilst perusing rec.arts.tv, I came across the following in a post:
>
>>	Any more questions? 
>>
>>	Jim Acker
>>	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov
>
>It looks like our favorite net.whipping.boy does rocket science as well :-)
>
>Be very, very afraid
>  paula@koufax.cv.hp.com   Paul Andresen  Hewlett-Packard  (503)-750-3511

Let's see ...

Hubbel telescope;
Space shuttle Challenger;
Delays in the Space Station;
Numerous non-functioning communication satellites.

Yeah, this theory clears up a lot of questions.

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