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From: jfox@vms.macc.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jewish education for adults
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Sep27.142645.18946
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin

I'm the English tutor for two "Russian" Jews who know nothing
about Judaism. One has been here for two years and reads well
enough to read novels and mystery stories. The other arrived
a month ago, reads very little, and probably isn't interested
in Judaism anyway, but his teenaged son might be. Can someone
recommend Jewish books, or perhaps magazines, for them? I'd
like to help them learn some history, something about the 
Jewish People around the world today (particularly showing Jews
of different races and "cultures"), something about religious
practice and beliefs. I thought of giving the woman Faye 
Kellerman's murder mysteries, but the murder parts of them are
awfully gross. (That doesn't have anything to do with their
Jewish content, it just generally keeps me from recommending
them.) They get invited over for Shabbat, Rosh HaShana, Pesach, 
maybe Succot, and the like but I think they have no clue what's
going on. If possible I'd like materials that tie moral choices
to the Jewish religious tradition (either directly to halacha
or in a cultural sense) but nothing preachy. They do know about
the Holocaust, so nothing about that. I thought of Wouk's book,
but I'm intensely annoyed each time he says "all Jews" when he 
means "all Jewish men." Still, I don't suppose I'm going to find 
perfect materials, so please let me know what you think would
be useful and useable.
From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Av Frydman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:43:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct2.173557.28173@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
 (Stan Krieger) writes...
> 
>There are three certainties in this world- death, taxes, and Jews marry
>only other Jews.
> 
>A Jew marrying outside the religion is showing nothing but contempt for
>the religion, for his or her coreligionists, and for our Law and tradition.
>It's unfortunate that there are people within our religion for whom the
>religion, and its history and tradition, mean so little.

Stan,

It may not be contempt...it may be ignorance.  There are many Jews who
grow up in families where there is little Jewishness shown/lived.  What
they hear is "Don't marry a non-Jew!" but they are never told/shown WHY...
other than a threat that "it would 'kill' the parents".  They don't know
the beauty of Jewish life and the meaningfulness of the mitzvot. This is very
sad. 

But, even if the parents weren't able to present Judaism to their daughter in a
way that would make it a priority in her life, they are at least making her
think about it.

I went to a special shiur last night given by Rabbi Yisochar Frand here in
Baltimore.  He spoke of a recent trip he made to South Africa at the behest
of Ohr Somayach to present shiurim to the hundreds and hundreds of Bale Tshuvah
who have been returning to traditional Judaism. He stated that there were many
theories about why so many assimilated SA Jews were becoming religious.  Some
related to the turmoil in So. Africa, etc.  

He believed, however, that it might also be explained by a visit to SA in
the 1930s by the Ponivicher (sp) Rov.  He travelled throughout the Jewish 
communities of SA and  pleaded with the people who came to see him (many 
were from Lithuania) that he understood how hard it was to remain observant 
in this Continent...all he asked for was that these people keep their children
from marrying non-Jews.  He stated that if they would do that, he would promise
them that their grandchildren and great grandchildren would be observant. He
knew that if he could at least keep them nominally Jewish that the Jewish soul
in each of them (the pintele yid) would long for an authentic relationship with
G-d.  The seeds sown in the 30's are now bearing fruit.

> 
>Growing up is not when your sex organs, or the state, tell you you're
>an adult; it's when you outgrow the mentality that only what's good
>for you counts, and instead you realize that your actions can hurt
>other people and that you're accountable to these other people.
> 
>-- 
>Stan Krieger 

Well stated!!

Gmar Chasimah Tovah

Avi
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:19:34
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 30 Sep 1992 16:02:54 GMT

On 30 Sep 1992 16:02:54 GMT, ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) said:

> One of the Major Mitzvot concerning Rosh Hashana is to Hear the
> sound of the Shofar.  In order to assure that the Shofar can be
> sounded each year, even when the First day of Tishri falls on Shabbat,
> It was ordained that Rosh Hashana be celebrated for TWO days.

> What do Reform Jews do when 1 Tishri is on Shabbat, and the sounding
> of the Shofar is not permitted?

Recall that Reform allows the use of electricity, etc. on Shabbat. As I
recall, when Rosh Hashana falls on Shabbat, the Shofar is sounded on Shabbat.

Daniel

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:59:05 GMT

In article <2615@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In Israel, you get vacation for all the holidays.
>-- 
>/|/-\/-\       New signature will appear "acharai hachagim"
> |__/__/_/    
> |warren@     
>/ nysernet.org 			Jerusalem

Yes, but, the only connection one has to the national pastime here is
rec.sport.baseball!!!


-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:31:11 GMT

In article <RLK.92Oct2173353@underprize.think.com>
rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:

>2)  I don't really know how to say this without *really* offending
>someone, but Judaism should be able to survive even if some people do
>intermarry.

I'm not sure why you think such an important question should be offensive,
but I'll answer anyway.

Judaism should be, has been, and will survive.  It has done so, in
part, by limiting the number of intermarriages.  Even if completely
man-made, G-d helps those who help themselves.... (to borrow a
phrase).
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Y'hi Ratson at the Table
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:40:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171336.6807@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>The Shimoff Rosh haShana table was graced by the presence of Dan
>(shdan@tudor.com), coprocessor Gayle, and spawned process Tani.

The first Rosh Hashonah is always a good one.
...
>Gefilte fish: Y'hi ratson she'yimale [gefilte] mishalot libenu,

We gave up gefilte fish for Rosh Hashanah because of a custom of
eating only sweet things -- and since I will not eat gefilte fish
without horse radish -- and horse radish is the opposite of sweet,
we solve that by leaving out hrose radish entirely.


>May the coming year be mitzva-full and flame free.

Amen.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Question on kosher gelatin
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

There was a question on rec.food.veg recently about what exactly kosher
gelatin is made out of.  Someone posted the following in response:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

A similar thread took place last spring some time, and I remember
that someone said that kosher gelatin could, in fact, be made from
animals.  The thinking was something along the lines that there is
so much processing done to the animal bones to make gelatin, that
even though it ended up in (milk-based) yogurt, it did not violate
the milk-meat rule.  So the upshot was that one can't really be 
sure that kosher gelatin is vegetarian.  Better to look for
products that explicitly say "agar-agar."  (Which are not that common.)

Anyone remember this, and/or have any further knowledge on the matter?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Could someone who is knowledgable on the subject please answer?  Note I've
set the followup to rec.food.veg.

Thank you, 

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: raan@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ran Ever-Hadani)
Subject: Re: ZIONIST/JEWS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE??????
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:47:04 GMT

In <9209211319.AA27408@nysernet.ORG> VSLARRY@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Larry Israel) writes:

>"Jewish" is the religion. I will leave it at that.

It far more complex than that.  Judaism combines ethnic, religious,
cultural, and national attributes, and it is next to impossible, in
my mind, to define the boundaries of "being Jewish" in any clear-cut 
way.

Many Jews I know, including myself, are atheists.  So obviously
Judaism cannot be "only" a religion, otherwise an "atheist Jew"
would be a contradiction in terms, which it obviously is not.

-- Ran
-- 
Withdrawal from the territories is in Israel's vital interest.  I will not 
feel any less at home in Shiloh or Bethlehem if I need a visa to go there.

                                   Moshe Dayan  (quoted from memory)
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:41 GMT
	<1992Oct2.154940.21023@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: underprize.think.com
In-reply-to: aap@wam.umd.edu's message of 2 Oct 92 15:49:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.154940.21023@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

   In article <9210012034.AA14344@po.CWRU.Edu> <<ejd3@po.cwru.edu>> writes:
   > 
   >Dave, There is no viable solution to this dillema accept for 
   >breaking up.  You cant convert to Judaism just for the sake
   >of marrying somebody Jewish.  I dont think you want to destroy
   >her family by pressuring her to marry you.  I dont think you
   >want to agonize your girlfriend either.  Set her free, there
   >are other (non-Jewish) fish in the sea.  Sincerely, Eliot.    

   Set her free? What makes yoy think that he has her trapped and not
   the other way around?  Maybe she does not set him free.  What makes
   you think that breaking with him will be less agonizing for her than
   breaking with her parent's traditions?  What makes you think that he
   is pressuring her to marry him?

   There is a vialble solution for this problem: To tear down all traditions
   that keep some people blind.

Well put.  Why should her family hold her hostage in this way?
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tay-Sachs
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:44:42 GMT

the carrier rate for tay-sachs among american jews is 1 in 30. i can't imagine
how it would help against yersinia pestis though.



Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
ness@aecom.yu.edu
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:38:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Sep30.173814.27117
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Sep30.164424.26578@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>
>Talking to the rabbi may help, but do not expect him (if the parents are
>Conservative, the rabbi will almost certainly be male) to join forces

That's the odds.  However, for several years now, the Jewish
Theological Seminary has been ordaining women graduates of its
rabbinical program, and so the ranks of women conservative rabbis
are growing. The Rabbinical Assembly also admits women to its
ranks.

>with you to convince her parents that intermarriage is acceptable.  
>Conservative ...
>rabbis do not approve of intermarriage.

That's correct.

However, many, perhaps most conservative rabbis will approve of a
marriage between a Jew and someone who converts to Judaism, even
if the conversion was in anticipation of marrying a Jew.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Tribe descent
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:17:44 GMT

In <1afdmkINNojl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin) writes:

>Of course, Levites (and therefore Kohanim) are NOT a tribe!  Levites are
>a sort of hereditary priest.  The tribe of Joseph was split into two parts
>to make twelve tribes after the Levites were disentribed.

The Leviim are also referred to as a tribe.  While there are many
examples (see a concordance), Yehoshua 13:14 says "only to the tribe
(shevet) of Levi he did not give an inheritance"
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From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
Keywords: what it overides, what overides it
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:47:37 GMT
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel

A brit on the eighth day is done on Shabbat, Yom Tov, and Yom Kippur.
But on YK, the only person who gets anything to taste is the infant,
who gets some wine.

The only other thing that I can think of that overrides YK is a threat
to life - if a person has to eat, they are forbidden to fast and
obligated to eat (although they ought to consult a Rabbi for details
about how to not technically violate the fast, but if there's no time
they should eat anyway).  Same with going to the hospital, medical
procedures, etc. if really necessary and tomorrow might be too late.

Pidyon Haben and weddings are not performed on Shabbat, Yom Tov, or
YK.
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 |warren@      But the principal
/ nysernet.org is not all that hungry.
From: silk@mcl.ucsb.edu (ken mencher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE! I need your help! Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:33:11 GMT
Distribution: na

I do not envy you your position, but I think you have some good points.  

You are sincere in your love for her, but her sister is right in that her
parents would probably not be mollified by your conversion.

Conversion because of this sort of reason is discouraged, usually, as it is
not a conversion because you want to be Jewish.

Talking with a Rabbi is a good idea, as you can at least maybe learn if you
really might want to be come Jewish.

y'rachmeal laeb simcha
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:16:24 EDT
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words

My favorite is Armageddon:
 It came from Har Meggido (as in where king Solomon kept his stables).
Har Meggido - Armageddon?!  What a distortion!

   :-),
        Eylon Geva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:51:27 GMT

Roger Lustig writes:

>>  So the Palestinians' case is
>>not at all out of the topic.  And I don't really accept the excuse that
>>Gaza is not a part of Israel, but just an occupied territory.  By whom
>>is it, thou, occupied?  
>
>No, not by me.  By thee?  But that's beside the point -- SHOULD a 
>country occupying territory try to assimilate the people there?

This is the top of nationalist arrogance.

>But it's *STILL* pointless to drag in the obviously aberrant case of 
>Israel, ...

I don't know whether Israel is an aberrant case, but *you* certainly are.

>No, you idiot.  <---- expletive.  Please note.

Maybe this is your normal way of talking with people, but among the
civilized part of mankind it is considered a bad form.

>Oh, shut up.  We don't discuss Gaza on comp.os.unix or rec.sport.baseball,
>*either*-- is that further evidence of callousness?

No comments.

>Almost all Poles lived in Poland in the 1890's, say.

Not true, but anyway I don't think it has any importance.

>                                                      Most Jews do NOT
>live in Israel.

But those who do are not Martians, I suppose.

>Yes, here we go again.  Read the header again.

You're indeed ridiculous.  I could as well change the header, if
that's all your problem.

Summary:  Mr. Lustig, right now you've ALMOST manage to make an
anti-Semite out of me.  Congratulations, bub.  Keep up your good
work.  And don't you forget to complain on any occasion about more
and more anti-Semitism all around you.  Still I believe that most
Jews are smarter than you.

Greetings to s.c.j. readers.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|     My opinions are my opinions.   But facts are those of everyone.     |
+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|     Michal~ Szleper                |     "All you need is love, love,   |
|     (michals@fuw.edu.pl)           |      Love is all you need..."      |
+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

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From: william@bnr.ca (William Moss)
Subject: Atlanta information requested
Keywords: Atlanta
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:24:07 GMT

A  friend of mine (without access to this group) is considering
moving to Atlanta, Georgia. I'll be giving him some info in my copy
of the Jewish Traveler's guide to North America, but he
was looking for some more specific information, particularly
regarding Elementary and Secondary Day Schools, preferably
orhodox.

Please reply to Murray at
  mkaiserman@hpb.hwc.ca

Gemar Chatima Tova, everyone.

Ze'ev
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Tribe descent
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.203400.8829@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
|> In article <ALLEN.92Oct1150152@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
|> >K'tivah v'Chatima Tova!
|>    ^          ^
|>  Here I think we all agree!

Well, in the message, anyway.  As for the pronunciation....  :-)
-- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "He tasks me!  He tasks me and I shall have him!
Bellcore            |  I'll chase him 'round the Moons of Nebir and 'round
Piscataway, N.J.    |  the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's Flames
(908) 699-8800      |  before I give him up!"  - Khan, "STII-The Wrath of Khan"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: King of Denmark and the Jewish Star
Keywords: Denmark persecution
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:21:40 GMT

Wasn't the Jews' sign in Denmark the yellow triangle rather than the
star?

Aryk Nusbacher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:49:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.195217.28323@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.181011.15765@sarah.albany.edu> pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.153900.28617@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>>In article <matthew.717472103@munna> matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
>>>>d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski) writes:
>
>>[...]
>
>>>Nope, sorry, the presence of the book in his church is first-hand
>>>evidence -- circumstantial ,but pretty strong, like the trout in the
>>>milk.  Besides, the charge of anti-Semitism isn't made lightly in Poland.,
>>>now, is it?
>
>>[...]
>
>>  ANY kind of accusation shouldn't be make lightly, I hope you'll agree
>>with this.  In particular if you use word "anti-Semitism" indiscriminately
>>it will loose all meaning.
>
>Indiscriminately?  INDISCRIMINATELY?
>
>I call a seller of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" an anti-Semite
>and you call that "indiscriminate?"  Hell, that's practically the 
>*definition* of an anti-Semite.  The book is anti-Semitic slander from
>cover to cover, and has never been sold or praised by anyone who didn't
>have a whopping hatred of Jewry.  
>
>Or am I missing something in your posting?
>
>Roger
>>                                      Pawel Penczek
>>
>
>

   Maybe you are really missing something in my posting. I will try
to clarify the issue.  For me the accusation of anti-Semitism
is a serious matter, since it is racial and violent ideology (if
I may call it so).  To my understanding such accusations shouldn't
be made lightly.  I am not sure whether the fact the you sell
particular book means that you subcribe to the views expressed
in the book.  What about the freedom ?  Do you think that
people selling guns in US are guilty of murders ?

  To make my point clear: I have no doubts that "Protocols ..."
are anti-Semitic, but selling, buying the book and reading it doesn't
make me anti-Semitic.  Whow otherwise would I know what what
is inside ?  How do you know ?  I do not think that to prohibit
people from expressing their views is the best way to fight
ideas.

  I hope that this clarifies my views.

                                          Pawel Penczek
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