HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Novell bought USL?
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:33:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.191300.18718@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>
>[sprinkle smileys freely all over this post... no flame intended...]
>
>dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:
>>The folks at GeoWorks don't see themselves as Windows competitors, but
>>Microsoft and Novell probably do. 
>
>Yeah, I am sure Bill Gates is scared witless right now.  Ray Noorda is
>probably wondering why he bought USL and overlooked PCGeos... man,
>heads will roll...

Well, Microsoft is so determined to take over the software market that
they probably consider me a competitor too -- and I write COBOL on a
mainframe!  :-)

Humor aside, GeoWorks is becoming a major player in the hand-held and
pen computing markets.  It's really more competition for Pen Windows
than for Windows NT.  That's been their aim all along; I understand
that releasing a desktop version was initially just an interim project
until the PC's-on-a-chip really came into their own.

Of course that doesn't mean it doesn't make a good desktop GUI.
Unlike Windows, it actually provides heavy-duty functionality to its
apps so that developers don't have to keep re-inventing the same wheel.
I think Novell would be wise to look seriously at a partnership with
GeoWorks.

>Do they have the toolkit ready yet?  They've been working on it for a few
>years now, haven't they?  

Yep, it's due to go beta in early first quarter '93 (finally!).
Actually, they decided to skip the SDK for ver. 1 and go straight to
supporting ver. 2; that's what's taking so long.  I'm looking forward
to seeing what third parties can do with it.

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
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From: andrewh@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,news.groups
Subject: proposal to rename comp.sys.novell
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:18:06 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Now that Novell will own Unix SysV, it might be time to change the name of
comp.sys.novell. Here's what I propose:

REPLACE comp.sys.novell  WITH   comp.sys.netware

There. That's easy. Otherwise, this newsgroup might ostensibly take on too 
much. :-) (i.e. all the Unix traffic)

Andrew
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Andrew W. Hagen                  	                 computer commando
pc lab student supervisor                           
Earlham College, Richmond, IN             	  andrewh@yang.earlham.edu

(It's a joke!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil (jim )
Subject: Atalk warning questions
Followup-To: comp.sys.novell
Organization: nrl
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:57:46 GMT



I just inherited a Novell Server and am trying to crash-learn
how to keep it alive/ run it.  (So please bear with me)

Server Configuration:
     Novell 3.11
				 running Netware for Mac including ATPS
     fast machine/ lots o' memory / lots o' disk.

Seem to be working OK, but the AT-Console system log
is reporting the following error on a semi-regular basis:

0.0.0 ATALK Warning: ATP returned error 60 on OpenConn reply

Does this ring any bells???

Thanks,
Jim


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From: kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: MacWeek say native Appletalk support ending
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:13:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The macweek before last (sorry, at home) says (my paraphrase) Novell will
be ending its support for Netware for Mac, and substituting a MacIPX
extension (a Mac init or cdev or something), _a_la_ MacTCP, for connecting
to Novell servers. 

Anybody heard more details about this? 
What are the implications for Mac application compatibility?
Kim Cary, GSEP Systems Support, Pepperdine University
kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu, KCARY@PEPVAX



Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: nguyen@acs.ucalgary.ca (Tu Nguyen)
Subject: Help Patching Sec286.zip on NOvell 215RevC
Summary: Sec286
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:43:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: security

Hi all
 I am planning a patch on my Novell 215 RevC. I have downloaded
the SEC286.ZIP and the readme points to directory/volume
"SFTOBJ" and "TTSOBJ" that I can't seem to find. Can any of
you help me out?
 Thanks in advance.


-- 
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Academic Computing Services         voice:  (403)220-5155
University of Calgary               fax  :  (403)282-9199
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: LANalyzer for NetWare
Keywords: Checksum errors
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.221543.24162@cirrus.com> vineet@cirrus.com (Vineet Dujari) writes:
>I have a 50MHz 486DX file server with a 32-bit EXOS 235 EISA
>ethernet card. The server is hooked up to a network with about
>40 workstations. LANalyzer reports about 60-100 checksum/alignment
>errors on the file server. Should I care?

Depends on the time period that you're seeing this level of errors. If
you see this many in a month, it's probably not worth worrying about. This
many per day indicates a real problem, most likely in network hardware.

>                                          What should I do to fix
>it? A workstation also reports frequent errors, I am changing the
>network card in the workstation.

This could very well clear up the source. If you can capture the packets
that are suffering errors, and find out what the hardware addresses in the
headers are, they should point you to a specific NIC. A fairly random 
distribution of addresses indicates a cable or repeater problem.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma
radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon." As if we wouldn't notice...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: s1110238@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Lee Hollingworth)
Subject: Recommended Sys Admin Books
Summary: New administrator
Keywords: Novell 2.?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:23:38 GMT

I have been "hand-balled" the task of reconfiguring a four node Novell
2.?? network for a group of seven users.
In fact it is not a task of reconfiguring, more like configuring as the
network has never really been set up properly. Every one is logged in as
SUPERVISOR and all have access rights to do as they please!

Back to my problem..., I have never used Novell, and really don't wish
to spend hours "trying" all the tricks.

Therefore could a person who has had similar experience, point me in the
general direction of a good system administration text.

Lee Hollingworth
s1110238@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell,
Subject: Patching Netware 3.11 - Which Patches?
From: eric.lentz@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (Eric Lentz) 
Date: 26 Dec 92 13:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: eric.lentz@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (Eric Lentz) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The GrapeVine BBS *** N. Little Rock, AR *** (501) 753-8121


AK>I recently grabbled Novell's 311pt9.ZIP, so that I could patch our
AK>newly installed NW 3.11.  The readme file in the archive mentions
AK>that one should install patches ONLY FOR PROBLEMS WHICH ARE BEING
AK>EXPERIENCED.  The problem is that I rather not wait to experience
AK>some of the problems which are being patched (like FAT corruption).
AK>
AK>After having called Novell, they wanted $150 for a simple "Yes" (insta
AK>all of the patches) or "No", so I gave up on that.  A friend of mine
AK>told me to go ahead and install all of the patches, and so I did (all
AK>of those relating to the installation -- no MAC or NFS patches, for
AK>example).  This includes PATCHMAN and FATFIX and most others.
AK>
AK>Is this okay?  Any problems?  I am simply unsure about patching NW 3.1
AK>and Novell won't give me a straight answer.  I didn't find any info on
AK>this question in the FAQs either.

Andy,

  Your method is exactly the way I handle new patch archives.  Novell 
should change their readme file to contain the statement: "Only for 
problems which are being experienced or could conceivably occur with your 
system's setup."

BTW- The latest patch archive is 311PTB.ZIP.


--- WinQwk 2.0b#69
                                                                                                           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,news.groups
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: proposal to rename comp.sys.novell
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:28:56 GMT

In <shephard.726037323@sfu.ca> shephard@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon Shephard) writes:

>Now, I'm sure that most people would agree that comp.os.netware makes
>more sense for at least two reason; Novell has its fingers in more
>pies than just netware, netware is an OS.  Does it make sense to break
>the hierarchy into:
>comp.os.netware:    Articles dealing with Netware as a whole, the product
>		    line, CNE/CNA certification, ...
>comp.os.netware.2x  Articles dealing with Netware version 2.15, 2.2, ...
>comp.os.netware.3x  Articles dealing with Netware version 3.1, 3.11, ...

	Why?  The number of messages on here, daily, is fairly low, and
most tend to be concerning fairly general questions that are applicable
to both 2.xx and 3.xx versions of the software.  Frankly, I see no need to
lock a version number into the name.  A simple 3.11 or 2.15c in the
subject line lets everybody know what's happening.  The overlap between
versions is large enough I'd bet a lot of cross-posting anyway should we
adopt sub-groups for different versions, and in addition how many 3.11
people used to run 2.11 or 2.15 nets and remember the solution?

>And is there room in this hierarchy for a 
>comp.os.netware[.???].programmer? (E.G. comp.os.netware.2x.programmer, 
>comp.os.netware.3x.programmer.  Or perhaps only comp.os.netware.programmer?)
>while the changes are being made?

	Now the programmer part may have some merit, but given the small
posting rate and the overall ratio of programmer questions to general
questions, I doubt it would be worth it.

	I wonder, how would the listserv of comp.sys.novell handle the
new change if it passes?  My thinking is that comp.os.netware is far
enough -- let's split things only when enough posts warrant it.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "Are you *SURE* he's worth a Harley-Davidson?" -- my grandmother  >
< to my girlfriend, about me.  "I'd better not say" -- my girlfriend >
From: te_s215@ceres (Andy Gulliford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: ENV Var bug in LOGIN ???
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:21:26 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bigras@mala.bc.ca writes:
: In article <1gpvoaINNun@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, te_s215@ceres (Andy Gulliford) writes:
: > bigras@mala.bc.ca writes:
: > : In article <1992Dec16.132621.1136@mala.bc.ca>, bigras@mala.bc.ca writes:
: > : > Hi,
: > : > There appears to be a bug with Novells LOGIN program.
: > : > If you use the SET command it only works if the 
: > : > environment variable does not already exist.
: > : > 
: > : > If there is an existing variable , say MN=ONE
: > : > and you try to SET MN=TWO it fails.
: > : > If there is no pre-existing env variable it works.
: > : > 
: > : > Tony Bigras
: > : > 	BIGRAS@MALA.BC.CA
: > : > 
: > : > ok
: > 
: > In login scripts rather than using the SET command you need to use
: > 
: > DOS SET MN="ONE"
: > 
: > -Andy.
: 
: We have tried the DOS SET without success.
: 
: Our login script sets the variable the first time
: through, but if another login is run and an attempt
: is made to alter the variable, it fails.
: We are running with DOS 5.0
: > 
I am not sure how DOS reallocates it's environment space. If you
are not sure that there is enough then you can increase it by
adding a line to your config.sys such as

shell=c:\command.com /e:1024 /p

Another thought - I dont think the "pccompatable" command has anything to
do with it but it might be worth checking.

-Andy.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: RARP SERVOR on NOVELL 3.11
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:05:51 GMT

In article <ppollet.86.725451918@cismibm.univ-lyon1.fr> ppollet@cismibm.univ-lyon1.fr (Patrick POLLET) writes:


>I am looking for a NLM that intalls on the console and will play
>the role of a RARP servor. That is provide on request from a workstation 
>the appropiate IP number. Ideal would be a relation between the IP number 
>and the serial number of the Ethernet card mounted on the workstation ?

I don't know of anything like this....

>So my students wont be able to play with the configuration files (CONFIG.TEL 
>and the rest...) that I have to put and maintain on every station. 

Don't put the config files on the workstations; put them on the server
owned by SUPERVISOR. That way, they can't be modified....

Saves the problem of loading another NLM, doesn't impact server
performance, and gives you the control you need. After all, there's
no need for CONFIG.TEL to know the serial number of the card.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma
radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon." As if we wouldn't notice...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Subject: Re: NetwareLite/Windows 3.1 a good combo?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:08:50 GMT

Testing
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Printing problem on 3.11 network.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 15:48:33 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec25.171854.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> Another 3.11 problem for everyone to look at....
>  
>  
> This time I am having problems getting rprinter to work correctly.  Everything
> is set up as the manuals say and I DO get output.  The problem is that if I
> print a header, the machine will freeze about  3/4ths of the way through the 
> header.  If I print without a header, the machine will print the text and then
> lockup when the text is done.  I am routing a small document. (I did a copy 
> con test.txt)  The document just has two lines of text so I know there are no
> fancy binary problems.  And the job has been sent to the printer via pconsole
> and capture methods.  Here is a brief listing of the hardware/software
> involved:

I have tried a few things since the above message was posted and here is 
what I have found out....   It does not matter what machine I set up
as the remote printing station.  The print jobs still come out the same.
If I print from pconsole, the header will not print all the way.  If I 
do a capture, the header will come out all the way but the job will lock up
when it reaches the end of the text.  I have tried to load dos high and low,
load ipx and netx high and low and also booted without stacker.  Same effects
any way I try it.  I also tried different printers and machines.  The same
problem is always there.  There are no mice connected or any other type of
external devices.  The lan cards are set at IRQ4.
  
Any ideas?
 
Kevin
 

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Lab Supervisor                                KPJONE01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Computing and Telecommunications              PHONE:  502-588-6303
University of Louisville, KY                  FAX:    502-588-0150

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: ashah@eos.ncsu.edu (the cool dude)
Subject: One more on SERVER STATS.
Followup-To: ashah@eos.ncsu.edu
Originator: ashah@c00808-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ashah@eos.ncsu.edu (the cool dude)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:58:00 GMT



Hi,

I have 2 NW 3.11 servers and MONITOR shows that
the UTILIZATION of each of them is BELOW 10 (% - right ?)

Is this normal or is my n/w really SCREWED UP ?

How EXCATLY do we define THIS utilization level ?

Is there ANY way (like changing the SET PARAMETERS) of improving
the server utilization ?

Thanks.
Ajay.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: brinich@keinstr.UUCP (Mark Brinich)
Subject: econfig question
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:31:46 GMT

I'm trying to run DEC's co-existance software on my Novell 3.11 LAN.  I've
e-configed my ipx.com file, but I still can't get to a file server.  The file
server does have the Ethernet_II loaded, so I think it's ok.  Any suggestions
out there?(e-mail is fine)..........thanks...............mcb

-- 
Mark Brinich
voice mail(or maybe the real live thing)216 498-2821
e-mail   uunet!keinstr!brinich
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From: boyles@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Another PServer Problem
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:25:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: boyles@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account)
NNTP-Posting-Host: nextnext.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


On Netware 3.11, I am loading pserver.nlm.  When it loads, it requests a  
password.  Nothing works.  I have heard of this problem before but don't  
remember the solution.

Please Help,

Ernie Boyles

Ernie.Boyles@Rose-Hulman.Edu
From: haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Viruses in Novell installation.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:26:56 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: haverkamp.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

In 1991 the system administrator of a small company
in Duesseldorf area detected the VASCINA virus
and the 1701/1704 virus. His Novell version was
SFT 286, V. 2.15.
The system administrator believes that his network
was infected by a demonstration disc given to
him by another person. Unfortunately he used
for demonstration purposes one of his network PC's.

The system administrator is arguing that he had needed
about 36 hours to run COMPSURF and some more hours
to restore the programm files. Now his company wants
compensation from the person who gave them the
demonstration disc.

The demonstration took place in the late afternoon, 
the viruses were found the next morning. The owner
of the demonstration disc had taken the disc with him after the
demonstration was finished.

By using a pretence the system administrator asked that person
2 days later to send him the demonstration disc again. The
viruses were found on the disc, too.

My questions are:

- Who has got experiences with the above mentioned
  viruses in Novell networks with SFT 286, V. 2.15?
- What would have been an adequate reaction of the
  system administrator when he detected  VACSINA and
  1701/1704 viruses? For my opinion the "number of passes 
  for the sequential test" (which takes much time)
  within COMPSURF could have been restricted to 1; do you agree?
- The owner of the disc is argueing that his disc was free of
  viruses when he took it to the demonstration. He says
  that perhaps by other events the viruses came into the
  network; later on the owner of the network could have
  infected the disc by himself.
  Is there a doubtless method to find out at what time 
  the disc was infected? My opinion is that the date-informations
  in the directory of the disc could have been manipulated.   

Any help will be appreciated. Please post directly to me.
 
Wilhelm Haverkamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Running DOS commands from Netware 3.11 server
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:51:56 GMT

A fellow Novell admin at our site says he has heard there
is an NLM which can be run on a Netware 3.11 that will
allow it to run DOS commands.  He is interested in getting
ahold of this in order to run various batch commands before
doing the nightly Arcserve backup.

Does anyone know of anything like this?  Anything possibly
that's shareware?  Thanks for any suggestions.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: sdmoore@iastate.edu (Steven D Moore)
Subject: Re: UNIX to NOVELL MAIL
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:09:22 GMT

In <1992Dec30.170417.18354@csx.cciw.ca> u055@csx.cciw.ca (James Sprenger) writes:

>Original Subject: Re: Novell/Unix Mail
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
>In-Reply-To: <1197@ephsa.UUCP>
>Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
>Cc: 
>Content-Type: text
>Content-Length: 998

>In article <1197@ephsa.UUCP> you write:
>>I am in the process of bringing up a large Novell network with ties to Unix
>>systems.  We are thinking of using CC:Mail on the Novell side, but already 
>>have a mail system in place on the Unix hosts.  Can anyone be of assistance 
>>where it comes to interfacing the two mail systems together?
>>

>Try looking at PEGASUS MAIL (free software with wide support from author
>and users on the INTERNET).  It has several supported gateways including
>the option to define your own!  The are also free gateways like CHARON
>(KA'ron) that are design to work hand in hand with PMAIL.

For what its worth....

We have Microsoft's Mail for PC networks an are very happy.  We have
gateways into both SMTP and Microsoft's Mail for Appletalk Nets.  Our
Postoffices are spread across 9 3.11 servers and we will be approaching 150
mail and Schedule+ clients by end of January.

Gate's seem very stable, the interface has improved greatly in the last 6
months and the bolt-on Schedule+ (Windows-only) were big sells for us.

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: ci255@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rick Troha)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Another PServer Problem
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:08:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Did you use the print server name as you loaded the 
Pserver.nlm module, e.g. "load pserver bartleby" 
(bartlby being the name of the print server). See page
151 of the Novell Print Server Manual.

Rick Troha
CNE
Hewlett-Packard Company
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: kca@engin.umich.edu (Jon Van Oast)
Subject: ? "bbs-like" prg for lanwkplace4dos ??
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:40:22 EST
Organization: UnderWorld Industries
Keywords: bbs lanworkplace host

i am curious if anyone knows of a commercial or free/shareware (prefered,
of course) package that will allow a dedicated station with lanworkplace
for dos to act as a HOST on the internet, in the manner of a bbs.  i.e.,
people telnet to you, and they can log in and do "stuff".

any ideas/clues would be great.  email or post... thanks!  -jon
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