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From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Oprah 11/19
Date: 21 Nov 1992 16:53:45 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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|> A wise man once said "all things are true".
Actually, a fool, IMVHO.


|> There's another relevant question here - does it matter how sexual
|> orientation is determined? If I want to be a star-bellied sneech,
|> don't I deserve the same respect as if I chose to be a star-bellied
|> sneech?
I agree with that point vociferously!  Whether by choice, destiny or good
luck, I am what I am and that should be respected by thinking individuals.
"No stars upon thars; they just aren't suited!"  (just hadta get in a Sneetches
on the Beaches quote, too :{) )

|> What are "female roles"? 
|> What are "male roles"?
|> Why are "dominant individuals" playing "male roles"?
|> Why do heterosexual relationships have "male and female roles"?
Yawn.  There are flies around that carcass already.

|> My claim is that trying to fit the notions of masculine/feminine to
|> any sort of relationship is dangerous, and applying it to homosexual
|> relationships is completely inappropriate. I think that one can never
|> properly say "that gay man is masculine" or "that gay man is not
|> masculine". We had a rather lofty discussion about this a few months
|> ago on soc.motss. I've saved a bit of the exchange, if you're
|> interested.
Better now.  And I disagree - politely, this time.  It is my (mine mine mine
mine mine mine!) opinion that there *are* distinctly masculine, feminine, and
adroginous (sp?) qualities that are innate to people.  That does not (notnot
notnotnotnot!) mean that I belive that those qualities dictate sexual preference
(please don't flame that word!) or sexual behavior or sexual frequency or
*ANYTHING* at all.  The quality just *is*.  And adds color to the person's 
persona/personality.  That's all...


|> Now if you're really asking about sex, and you're equating "male role"
|> to be "penetrator", and "female role" to be "penetratee", then we can
|> have more fun talking about it :-). Again, I think the answer is
|> basically "no", although many gay men express a preference for one
|> role or the other in anal sex.
Now, *that's* the interesting question to start a thread on!

<lame smile>
*HUGS*
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@nyx.cs.du.edu (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Martina Navratilova and CO lawsuit
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:26:17 GMT

In article <SJP.92Nov23230230@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> sjp@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Sue Patterson) writes:
>Hi, I missed the recent post of a news article on Martina and the federal
>suit against CO-2.  My newsreader seems to have expired it.   Could somebody
>please e-mail me a copy?  Thank you very much
>
>Sue
>sjp@occs.cs.oberlin.edu

Thought I was the only one who noticed.  I sent a copy of the below to
the Guardian today.  Haven't seen it mentioned in the press.

G


Article 29 of co.politics.amend2.info:
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:30:39 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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In article <1992Nov14.172530.15394@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
|> 
|> In article <BxM1tz.3s8@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
|> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
|> >>*/
|> >>#define MALE 1
|> >>#define FEMALE !MALE
|> >
|> >Nope.  Why bother with !MALE when you can write 0, and save evaluations?
|> 
|> I agree with kay, but for a different reason. By defining female as the
|> "logical not" (opposite) of male, the program is embracing a dicotomy,
|> and leaves no room for the notion of transvestites or transexuals etc.
|> Definitely won't get past a PC compiler.
|> 
|> :-)
|> 
|> Ciaran.
Back into the thread that I (unwittingly) created.  My apologies, folks.

I think that it is very sexist to #define FEMALE in terms of MALE.  They should
be on an *equal* footing.  Before flaming me, consider that *I* never #defined
MALE, but rather "int MALE;"ed instead.  Those who were blinded by CAPs started
this #defining shit, anyway.  (forgive the pig-latin, please)  #define is an
immutable thing, set at compile time.  unPC. Besides, why has *nobody* used

#define FEMALE 1
#define MALE !FEMALE

???

*sheepish smile*
*hugs to all the people I have offended*
js

To: 
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage - soc.bi #14719

In article <1992Nov14.172530.15394@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
|> 
|> In article <BxM1tz.3s8@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
|> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
|> >>*/
|> >>#define MALE 1
|> >>#define FEMALE !MALE
|> >
|> >Nope.  Why bother with !MALE when you can write 0, and save evaluations?
|> 
|> I agree with kay, but for a different reason. By defining female as the
|> "logical not" (opposite) of male, the program is embracing a dicotomy,
|> and leaves no room for the notion of transvestites or transexuals etc.
|> Definitely won't get past a PC compiler.
|> 
|> :-)
|> 
|> Ciaran.
Back into the thread that I (unwittingly) created.  My apologies, folks.

I think that it is very sexist to #define FEMALE in terms of MALE.  They should
be on an *equal* footing.  Before flaming me, consider that *I* never #defined
MALE, but rather "int MALE;"ed instead.  Those who were blinded by CAPs started
this #defining shit, anyway.  (forgive the pig-latin, please)  #define is an
immutable thing, set at compile time.  unPC. Besides, why has *nobody* used

#define FEMALE 1
#define MALE !FEMALE

???

*sheepish smile*
*hugs to all the people I have offended*
js
From: ahb0@aber.ac.uk (Anna He Baik)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My inner man
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:43:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Nov11.135539.20144@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
>[bit from vikki deleted]
>There are people in this world who like the term "enclosure", but I have to
>say that this word does not appeal to me at all.  Of course, the radical
>feminists will *bap* me over the head, but I think it's an ugly word.  Same
>goes for "penetration" too, but there you go.
>
>And this post has cost the net hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to
>send.  All for me to bitch about a word. :)
Hmmm, I think they sound really....clinical. At the risk of being thought
crude - what about a soggy hug?
Or other variations upon the word hug?
swsus,
yon
*blush* I almost didn't post this, but a friend advises me to go ahead...
still no sig!
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:22:01 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov14.142347.25874@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
|> In article <1e1djtINN53j@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> 
|>  winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
|> >
|> >Allright.  A really stupid question:
|> >
|> >*WHAT* is lycra, anyway?!
|> >
|> Lycra, also known as spandex, is a synthetic fiber commonly blended with
|> cotton or nylon to make stretch fabrics. It is used in such things as
|> leggings and leotards, which are esteemed for their esthetic effects,
|> such as a sprayed-on-like-paint fit, and a...*um*... sensual feel.
|> 
|> It is the subject of the news group alt.lycra which has had a sporadic
|> existance for several months now.
|> 
|> It is also one of the other things which reminds me why I am bisexual...
thanks!  I think I need to try shedding the jeans and try some of this Lycra
stuff for a thrill...

.sig
js
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:42:40 GMT
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <memo.762976@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> [ ... ] So I have an Aran sweater "under construction" as it were 
>-- no queer speak involved. It's called making your own clothes and 
>having fun at the same time.
>
Oh no, not another woolly sweater+lycra wearer.  That one *really*
boggles people (a sweater being nice and traditional and homely, and
lycra being, well, lycra....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: wombats
Keywords: wombat, touch
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:28:17 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.052118.28747@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rhorn@csws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Robb) writes:
>>  Would you like to touch my wombat?
>
>Yes! bring it to me at once - except that there may be problems with
>quarantine... it can meet my two, Stig and Spunky.  It may also wish
>to be introduced to Jon's, whose name I can't remember.

Ziggy.

Yes, wombats are great to share. And 100% safe!


/jon

   ___________________ ____ ________________________________________
  / -- Jonathan Harley \  /_   Could be an ever opening flower...  //    //  //
 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \/ /  It's the beginning of               // // //////
/_Phone:UK 091 222 8504__\/__a new love inside________________///////////  //
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:38:47 GMT

In article <By09oy.8Do@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>I wouldn't like to see MOTOSers slipping each other the tongue
>in the middle of the day at a football game or something, so in the
>same way I don't want to see MOTSSers doing it either.

Oh, I don't know.  Watching two AmFoot teams in a clusterfuck might
entice even me to watching television...

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:17:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Nov17.111749.2589
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Nov15.094230.26584@vpnet.chi.il.us>, orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>   Well, yes, of course, would there be any other method to (giggle)
> enlarge that particular bit (aside from the traditional method,
> that is...)  

 Um. It would appear that there is. Can't remember the exact name of the
program I saw this on, but it was one of those dreadful 'yoof' ones --
basically, they make an incision, and fill the insides of the penis up with
some unpleasant gook (fatty tissue, I /think/. Don't quote me) which wound up
with the guy looking as if he had a fair proportion of a loaf of french bread
(but less crusty.. <grin> ) growing in the obvious place. *Most* unpleasant to
watch.. Sometimes, morbid curiosity is not a good thing at all..
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: No subject
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:46:37 GMT
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <1992Nov22.203159.23579@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gtoal@nyx.cs.du.edu (Graham Toal) writes:
>Cambridge really are the most fascistic net site in the UK by the way,
>from what I've heard lately.  Buy yourself a modem and bypass the
>university if you can afford it.
>
Buying a computer would probably be more useful than buying a modem
first (-8 .  And I'm a student -- even if I could afford the equipment,
the 'phone bills would be a bit off.  (Although if Cambridge Cable get
their act together there'll probably be an Internet site in our house
shortly after....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: No subject
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:42:37 GMT

In article <memo.759309@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Bolted on to a .sig near you
>Okay, time for some fluffiness from me (for once), I've "bolted on" 
>an extra entry in my .SIG:
>
>Discuss. 
>--
>+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
>| When I grow up, I want to give up being   |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
>| a Journalist and learn how to write...    |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
>+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
>|       Bisexual knitter of quality and distinction since 1992.        |
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
It's ambiguous.  Does it mean "knitter of bisexuals" (now there's an
intriguing thought!) or "knitter who is bisexual"?  If the latter,
knitting what?  Quality and distinction (together or separately)????

(Recent subtle change to my .sig due to someone pointing out that
the Powers That Be might not be happy about my including my American
e-mail address....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: The Pope se...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:55:13 GMT

In article <69850@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
>I wanted to ask this before someone else did.
>
>It was reported today in the paper that Pope John Paul II sez that "in heaven 
>there is no sex." and that the residence don't miss it because"they are like
>angels"
>
Oh, goodness, now I have a little more respect for Sinead.
This is the same SOB who went into the damn over populated countries of
africa and told them not to use birth control.
This is the same SOB who wears a ROLEX, yes it was a gift, but in
my catholic days, they *ask* for money and that bastard wears a 
$13,000 rolex.  They have the largest art collection in the world
in the basement of the vatican.  JPII has more shit that any, any
televangelist on record.  Yeah sinead, fight the real evil.

We will not worship the god they serve.
the god of greed who feeds the rich while poor men starve.
Billy Bragg.

>There is no sex, and I have heard earlier that there is no beer in heaven. 
>
In Himmel es gibt kein Bier,
d'rum wir trinken es hier.

In heaven there is no beer,
that's why we drink it here.
:)
I love the germans.
>
>Ben Gibson (on the lookout for sin to avoid such a place.)
Work it man work it. :)


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Really a new post but I don't know how to do it:)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:29:51 GMT

In article <memo.758633@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>> The winner gets their choice from a box of tissues and a vibrator.

>We aim to please.

Well, just remember please to aim.

G
--
From: s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: coming out to my parents
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:01:42 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

 Hmm this subject has always been kind of interesting to me. My sister is
also bi and has hinted at it to my mum and my mum took it just fine. In fact
my friend had a party and my mum came along and there was a lesbian there
who said to my mum" Your daughter is gorgeous and I'm really attracted to her"
My mum replied " thank you. I think she's lovely too" So if I ever get a 
female lover in the same city as my mum I'd tell my mum. (I hope!)

AS for my dad......... well I didn't tell him iwas married until 6 months 
later, I don't tell him anything about my life. In fact I very rarely talk to
him except to argue so I won't tell him I'm bi. But if he did know I couldn't
care less about his opinion.

Being married is a very easy way to hide. All my friends know that I'm bi.
When I told one friend that I make love with women he replied, "Well we all
need our little flings!!!!" Needless to say I don't see him very often. I
don't try to hide behind my marriage, but people assume I'm straight. I find myself constantly justifying why I married " He's American. i needed a GReen Card
etc etc." Plus everyone says I don't look like  a dyke!!!???!!!!!! And this is
Dykes who say this. 

Oh well, who cares what others think and assume? Actually I just recently had
a relationship with this VERY straight gut. I told him about my wonderful lover, how we meet, what she does, how i miss her etc. But he was mostly interested in the sex parts. HOw gross. Needless to say we are no longer together. Good!

Vikki
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: My inner man
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:21:41 GMT

In article <83938@ut-emx.uucp> adkisson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Adkisson) writes:
>According to my etymological dictionary "fuck" comes from a lower Rhein (?)
>(niederrheinische--not sure of the exact English for this German word...) 
>dialect (vycken) meaning "to strike with a lash/reed".  It is related to
>the Norwegian (fikle) meaning "to move heftily". 
>
>Maybe that clears it up??  Or did I just start something nasty :-) [evil grin]!

No, nothing nasty - just that this is a discussion that goes around half a
dozen different groups once every year or so.  Kay and I knew the answer
(actually I think the root word I heard was '{f/v}ikken' but the details
ain't that important) and are both kinda tired of explaining it to
people who think fuck is either a 20th cent. US police acronym or
a 17th C English one.

You're hereby volunteered to do the next round of explanations on
alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.urban, and bit.listserv.words-l... :-)

G
--
From: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: _Making Love_
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:24:39 GMT
Reply-To: timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1dmmluINNdq2@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> wink.NoSubdomain.NoDomain writes:
>I have a few gripes about _Making Love_.  Just wondering what y'all think...
>Synopsis:
>(het)Couple married 8 years.  Yuppie.  She's a tv programming type, he's a
>doctor.  All of a sudden, he's attracted to other men.  He tries it out, likes
>it, and finally tells his wife about it.  He subsequently stays at a motel for 
>a while.  She thinks it over and tries to talk to him.  He's already decided 
>that thier marriage is over. Divorce. ...years later... She's remarried, he's 
>got a man.  Everyone's happy.  The End.

Yeah, it sucked. Like how come they were happily married for so many
years with an (apparently) burgeoning sex life and then suddenly he
doesn't want to hjave anything to do with her anymore? I mean I know
some married people feel that when they come out, but I would have
preferred a little more exploration of the issues (since it was
virtually a docu-drama). 

ALSO (ARGH!) _that_ scene where He (the husband) is going on to his wife about 
"I think maybe I need approval from men" etc etc and she's practically 
hysterical and he doesn't say "I still care for you this doesn't mean
I don't like you or want you anymore, this is just a new thing" he
just ignores her and keep warbling on with his fascinating new
theories about his new-found sexuality... and she gets justifiably
upset.

God. I mean I loved it because it was one of the first gay positive
films I ever saw when I was in high school (on video...), but talk
about Bi-invisibility... 

I read that now when anyone discusses gay/lesbian positive films in
maninstream Hollywood, executive X responds with "yeah, but what about
_Making_Love_?" Apparently, it sank like a stone.

That's mine.

tim
--
Tim Mansfield                                         timbomb@cs.uq.oz.au
Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Qld, Australia, 4072           +61 (0)7 365 2956
"Nothing is wrong with the idea that there would be a God...  
		who changes the water." mvs@softway.oz (Mark V. Shaney)
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:22:32
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu's message of 17 Nov 92 03:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.031218.10818@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) wrote...
>>And then there's most of the heterosexuals in my circle of friends who seem
>>to have absolutely no problem with queer PDAs.
>>...
>>Of course, I do live where I live ...

>Yes Roy you live in Berkeley, where it is gauche to notice anything. :-)
[...]
>Realizing this is cool, because it means I can PDA as much as I feel
>comfortable.

*sigh*...while I live in San Francisco, where everyone feels free to
insult me and my partner, of whatever gender (or perceived gender, since
my male SO is taken for a woman several times a week).  I have no
respect for anyone who discriminates against me because of my
orientation, whatever it appears to them to be at the time.

This has really been emphasized with my SO, since we get it from both
sides so frequently...it becomes really obvious how much the same it all
is.  Of course, it also becomes obvious how different the actual insults
are.  If we're insulted for being mixed-sex, it's just that - we should
be ashamed of "flaunting" it or something.  If we're insulted for being
same-sex, there's usually a negative reference to *how* we have sex.

Still, despite the numerous people who try to shore up their own
self-esteem by criticizing us, we still manage to find dozens of friends
like Roy's only more so, who don't have a problem with any PDAs.  It's a
good area.

It's funny...I know a lot of people think that no one objects to
mixed-sex PDAs, but I've always been very physically affectionate with
my partners, and quite a lot of people have been critical, over the
years, even when we're of an "approved" variety.  I've noticed that this
has been getting better in the straight community (I don't have enough
data on the GL community to say, but it's still worse there, of course)
over the last 10 years, with an apparent correlation with the acceptance
(as far as I see it) of other (non-straight, non-vanilla) sexualities.
This has led me to believe that the acceptance of sex in general is very
much tied to the acceptance of all forms of sexuality.  I think a lot of 
people view PDAs as "kinky" or "alternate"...*grin*.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Why don't you cool out/can it be so hard/to love yourself without
 thinking someone else holds a lower card/Grow up you/grow up me/
 grown together/free to be~ - Bruce Cockburn