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From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ted turner et al
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:18:54 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <eyaoPB13w165w@jybox.jyu.fi> otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>"eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
>
>>      And I second your motion on this one.  Turner may have committed a
>>      blasphemy by colorizing black-and-white movies - and many black-and-
>>      white cartoons, too!  The versions of the Max Fleischer "Popeye"
>>      toons that play on TNT and TBS are absolutely HIDEOUS! - but on the
>>      other hand he deserves a lengthy round of applause for his
>>      restorations of classic movies.
>
>That's funny, I'd always thought that line-art type cartoons would
>be the only place where colorization (if properly done) would work.
>So what did they do wrong ?

  Yes, Please!  I am a "Hater of Colorization", but I had been watching
and enjoying the Fleischer Popeyes on TNT and didn't even realize they
WERE colorized until I tried to look one of them up in my animation
reference book.  The book said they were B&W.  At first I thought the
book was wrong, then realized whose station I was watching!  Even
knowing they are colorized, I like them a lot.   Do you (the poster who
said they are HIDEOUS) really not like the look of them, or are you a
purist?  Either attitude I could understand, but I thought these toons
were the most convincing job of colorization I have ever seen!

>
>>      Now if only he'd stop editing his Bugs Bunny cartoons!
>
>Tell me more, tell me more.  What kind of edits ?
>
Not only the Bugs cartoons, but the Tom and Jerry's also.  They have
been edited to be a) less violent and b) less "offensive".  Scenes of
characters shooting themselves in the head have been removed.  Many
cartoons are no longer played on TV at all (I'm glad I taped the
cartoons with Inki, the pigmy, many years ago because these are no
longer shown at all).  The T&Js are VERY noticible because the cartoons
with Tom's owner, an obvious "Mammy" type, are either not shown, or her
voice has been overdubbed with another that doesn't sound as
"southern."

I've seen one other example over overdubbing on a Canadian station.
There is a "newer" T&J cartoon where they are working on a ship and I
noticed that many of the Captain's words were blanked out.  My deductive
reasoning figured out that the Captain kept using the expletive "Bloody"
which may have sounded "cute" to the american writers, but which would
be quite offensive to people with a british background.

Jann "I LIVE for cartoons!" VanOver
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Karismaki Brothers (was: Is "Delicatessen" out in the US yet ?)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:33:13 GMT

In article <TENE.92Aug21104452@julia.jyu.fi> tene@julia.jyu.fi (Jari Toivanen) writes:
>cad28526@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Douglas) writes:
>>aze@first.gmd.de (Andre' Zehl) writes:
>>>BTW: is the new Maki Kaurismaki "Zombie and the ghost train" to be 
>>>seen in the states yet ?
>>
>It is Mika Kaurismaki (last a is with dots over it) and he is Finnish
>director. The movie "Zombie and the ghost train" is telling Finnish
>guy's problems and how he solves them. "Ghost Train" is different movie
>than "Zombie and the ghost train".

Mika Kaurismaki has a brother named Aki Kaurismaki who is also a filmmaker
(as I'm sure the last poster is well aware).  Aki has the stronger
international reputation, at the moment.  Some of his films include
"Leningrad Cowboys Go America", "Ariel", and "The Match Factory Girl".
Three or four years ago, Aki Kaurismaki was regarded as one of the
European directors most likely to become famous in the U.S.  Some of
his recent films haven't been that strong, and American culture has 
turned a little from Kaurismaki's style.  So far, he hasn't had a real
breakthrough success in the U.S.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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Subject: Censorship (was Re: BASIC INSTINCT - Rating)
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:33:31 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Aug17.223712.1405@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.142342.5987@iti.gov.sg> hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong) writes:
>>20th Century Fox has just submitted BASIC INSTINCT for rating here in
>>Singapore.  And, surprise, instead of aiming for the R(A) [The A is for
>>artistic -- porn is still banned here... :-)] rating, the studio has
>>specifically requested for a PG rating.  [NB: R(A) rating only allows 21
>>and above;  there is no equivalent to the U.S. R-rating here]
>
>This is indeed interesting, particularly considering the experience
>Fox has had with "Basic Instinct" in South Africa.  Surprisingly,
>the South African censors let "Basic Instinct" in untouched.  Not
>surprisingly, they gave it a restrictive rating permitting only
>adults to see it.

[stuff deleted]

Just in case anyone is interested, Basic Instinct was given an R18
rating in New Zealand and I think it was uncut. This means that you
have to aged 18 or over to see it.

I quite like the censorship in NZ - they seem to tend to put on age
restrictions rather than banning things.

On the other hand, 'Bliss' was R18!!!! Not sure why...

I don't of many films that have been banned for a while - except
'Henry:Portrait of a Serial Killer'. Sounds like a lousy decision to
me.
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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Why I Like Colorization
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:48:15 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Aug17.165119.422@microsoft.com> gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie) writes:
/The only benefit of colorization is that in order to colorize a film
/they first need a high quality black and white negative.

Colorization is only done to a *video* version of the film, not a celluloid
version. Most black and white films were done without TV in mind. TV has
much less contrast than film does, the result being that many B&W films
are difficult to see well on TV (especially night scenes). I find that
colorization brings out the details of the scene much better so it is less
of a strain on the eye to see. I get tired of low light scenes where all
I can make out is a face or two (glorious B&W indeed!, more like glorious
black).
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Woody Allen / Mia Farrow
Keywords: This is *BIG* in NYC, and it's only just begun
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:32:25 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1743@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:

>Before,I go,I'll ask all of you one question with a straight face :
>How has the news of Paul Reubens beating off in a Florida X-rated movie
>theater affected your daily life when you first heard about it?

It made me decide that if I ever did go into a movie house to masturbate
I would take a cooked sweet potato along. Then, if caught, I'd quickly
shove it up my ass. Then I'd get a grant as a performance artist instead
of being arrested.


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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: eastwood's "unforgive
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:30:12 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

KC>You mean that CLINT Eastwood directed "Unforgiven" and it's a western.
KC>Oh, WOW!!! Wonder when it'll reach Singapore though. How come it hasn't
KC>been in any of the movie magazines here? Is it a flop in the States? When did
KC>it open?

     "Unforgiven" opened on August 7, so it's not a flop in the USA.  In
     fact, initial box office reports say it may turn into quite a hit.

     Hopefully that will be some incentive for Hollywood to start making
     movies with SUBSTANCE in the summer once again...
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:20:45 GMT

In article <80370005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) writes:
>In rec.arts.movies / ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
>
>>Are we going to have to start referring to women with he and his?  Is the
>>wife of a king going to be reffered to as a king?  Actually, I guess I can't
>>refer to her (him?) as the "wife", either.
>
>>But I think it's crazy that we are going to have to re-write the English
>>language because some people are offended by certain words because they're
>>"degrading" to women.
>
>I get your point, although my post tried to show that "actor" isn't a
>sexist term; it carries no gender meaning.  "Someone who acts," essentially.
>"Actress" *is* a sexist term, in that it defines a woman who acts.  Someone
>via an earlier post, questioned the use of "Actor" to describe Jody Foster.
>Shouldn't that be alright?  I get your drift, but "he" and "his" are 
>sexist; they specify males.  So, you wouldn't refer to a woman by using
>them.  That'd be sexist.

Consider that, as taught in schools and as it is defined in the 
dictionary, "he" and "his" are used for non-gender-specific references
as well.

The problem is not that "he" and "his" are sexist.  They are not.
The problem is that people are sexist in their misinterpretation
of them.  And this misinterpretation is what the clumsy-to-use
insertions of "he and/or hers" or "shers" or"s/he" and the other
varieties of language reinvention is to address.

This problem is already addressed by the English language, but
folks apparently prefer not to use this general application of
"he" and "his" due to this misinterpretation.

I've always felt comfortable using "they" and "theirs", but
I'm told that this is incorrect usage.  Apparently some feel
it is better to not use existing words and to compensate for
ignorance.

Before jumping to a conclusion regarding sexism, check out the
dictionary's definitions of "actor" and "he" and "him".  You'll
find that they are very similar in their implication of sex and
that at least one of their meanings is non-gender-specific.

Spread it around.  At least give it some thought.

GMS
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: best war movies?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 07:11:58 GMT


I wonder why half the articles in this thread are distributed only to the
USA, and half aren't.  Oh well.  In addition to concurring in a variety
of other peoples' recommendations, I'd like to throw in a mention of

	The Bridge (1960, German)

which tells the story of a group of youths drafted into the Nazi army
in the last months of the war, to defend their little town...

While I have not been in the military myself, I can certainly believe that
this movie tells it the way it really was.

Speaking of schools and movies about anticipated war,

	Ladybug Ladybug (1963)

is set in the contemporary USA, and tells what happens when an isolated
school receives word of a nuclear attack.  No shooting in this one...
-- 
Mark Brader			"Without nuclear weapons we will be nothing
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		 more than a rich, powerful Canada...."
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com		-- A Walk in the Woods, by Lee Blessing

This article is in the public domain.
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From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Wayne's World Music Change
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:39:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.112900.26025@abekrd.co.uk>, graeme@abekrd.co.uk (Graeme Griffiths) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.031901.24118@jcnpc.cmhnet.org> gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis) writes:
>
>	Interesting, I never really thought about it at the time. Sad man
>that I am, I saw WW twice and both times I saw the music shop scene where
>he's supposed to played Stairway... I didn't think it sounded anything
>like it (to be honest it was only a short sequence so it could have been
>covered by audience noise). Now, again showing how sad I am, I can play
>Stairway... (along with every other 2 bit guitar player) so I would expect
>to recognise it.

I'm not a guitarist; however, in the original, he played only like the
first 3 or 4 notes, but they're definitely recognizable as Stairway :-)

>	Do you think with some copyright problems they changed the
>soundtrack knowing that some ,perhaps most, of the audience would know
>about the track (hence getting the joke) without actually knowing the
>track itself.

It totally kills the humor.  The original gag was just so incredibly
funny...

>	Of course it is just possible that I'm going deaf......

what?

:-)

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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: RE: Dracula
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:03:03 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <18AUG92.14043604@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
writes: writes...

 
> In the new expanded theatrical trailer (which was shown to us as well as a 
> behind-the-scenes reel) Van Helsing is reading the description of the 
> vampire from a book with the label "VAMPYRE" on the cover, I remember Van 
> Helsing giving this speech to the assembled vampire hunters in Stoker's 
> novel. This is a good sign for us fans of the novel.

   Really? I can't think of many Dracula films in which this scene does
NOT feature. It's almost THE obligatory scene for a Dracula movie.

> (During the behind-the-
> scenes reel there's a sequence in which Coppola is directing Dracula as 
> werewolf, as he's about to rape Lucy Westenra, Coppola is shouting "I want 
> it more erotic! Much more erotic!"

   Now this is much more evidence that it will be faithful. Few films
remember that vampires can transform into wolves as well as bats (I hope
you were just exagerating when you said "werewolf", which of course
would be veering away from the novel). I was really pleased when one of
the vampires became a wolf in "Fright Night" for the same reason -
excellent little film that!

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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Freshman Smarm
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:38:06 GMT



Did anyone happen to see "Freshman Dorm" last nite? Were there any stereotypes
they might have missed? Oh, I know: The overweight boy/girl who is outwardly
a clown but inwardly tortured.
I can't wait till they do their "topical" shows on Teenage (tm) Alcoholism,
Anorexia/Bulemia, and Safe Sex Lectureshows.
Makes (S)Mellrose Place look like a documentary.
Nice babes tho.


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From: donofrio@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Frank D'onofrio)
Subject: Dracula
Organization: Space Astrophysics Laboratory, ISTS, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:50:19 GMT


Dracula is directed by Coppolla. It will be released in October.


Frank
The Bocca Demon

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From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Woody and Mia
Summary: What's the story?
Keywords: thank heaven for little girls
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.020451.14970@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>Please post your own creative versions of this grisly, sordid tale.
>(Well, I sincerely hope that it is grisly and sordid...)

Well, naturally I have no idea what really happened.  My opinion is that he 
did not molest any of the other children though.  I think he just molested 
the older (adult) one.  However, since he obviously raised her since she was 
around 9, I think he's a total moron.  In Mia's shoes, I might be so angry 
as to make the other accusations too, that's why I think it's only the one 
child he molested.  I'm confident though that Woody will get what he 
deserves.  The girl will obviously dump him (after missing her relationship 
with her siblings and mother).
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From: york@oakland-hills.lucid.com (Bill York)
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Her *SPOILERS*
Reply-To: York@Lucid.COM
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:30:37

In article <1992Aug18.192019.7945@rock.concert.net> black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black) writes:

   From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
   Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:20:19 GMT

   Question: Does anyone have any idea how they did the special effects
   on Meryl Streep's head? Those scenes where her head was on backwards
   were great! Likewise for the hole right through Goldie Hawn's stomach!!

I saw a "making of" spot on TV about these effects.  They shot Streep
walking backwards through the room with a "bluescreen" sheet wrapped
around her head, then they shot separate footage of her head (while
she was sitting in an articulated chair), then they used a T-2-style
computer-generated neck to glue the pieces together.
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Woody Allen / Mia Farrow
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 23 AUG 92 11:47:40 EDT

In article <1992Aug23.101724.11337@cs.joensuu.fi>, jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen) writes...

} boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
}} tape does not contain Dylan claiming that she was abused. It contains Farrow
}} questioning her about things Allen might have done. Reporters who've seen
}} the tape have said that Dylan looks "nervous and shaken" (presumably, her
}} demeanor is similar to that of children known to be abused) and claim that
}} this would seem to support Farrow's accusation.

} She was nervous and shaken?????? HANG THE MAN! Maybe, just maybe she _might_
} have another reason to be nervous and shaken. Can't you guys just wait
} till you here the facts, before you start looking for the rope.

What the hell are you yelling at *me* for?  I'm not out to lynch him!
I agree, she could well be "nervous and shaken" for other reasons. But, as
I pointed out: those who have seen the tape seem to feel that the child's
reactions are very similar to those shown by children who are known to be
abused, and claim that this would seem (note: "would seem", they don't say
"does") suppport Farrow's accusation.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: Less Than Zero
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: net
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:22:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.163957.1621@fico.uucp>,
ala@fico.uucp writes:
>
>"Less Than Zero" is one of the most powerfully moving movies I have ever
>seen.

  You don't get out much, do you?

>I suppose a big factor is that I was living in Beverly Hills at the
>time.  If you ever wondered what it is like to do cocaine, see this movie.
>I can almost guarentee you will never touch the stuff afterwards!!  (It was
>THAT good).                                                          ^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^

  What, the movie or the cocaine?

  Oh, brother.  If you've ever wondered what a *really* bad movie is
  like, see "Less Than Zero".  I *can* guarantee you that you'll never
  want to see another film again.  The book was an attempt to "shock",
  but it failed.  The film was an attempt to repeat the failures of the
  book, and it succeeded.  The film is also terribly dated (even when it
  was newly released).  What's more, it "watered-down" the original story,
  almost completely removing the most, ahem, "shocking" parts of the book.
  These included the treatment of the dead body (a-la "River's Edge"), the
  gay and bisexual characters and the gay sex.  What it amounts to is a
  big advertisement for the "Just Say NO" campaign, and a waste of time.

  The casting is almost as bad as the script.  James Spader, with his
  pretty-boy good looks, does *not* make a believable dope pusher.
  This might have worked if they hadn't tried to make him "sleezy" and
  ridiculously sinister and instead, made him a cute-rich-boy-who-sells-
  drugs-for-even-more-money type.  As for Andrew McCarthy, puh-leeeeeze!
  After seeing him as the lead character, I was convinced that the
  producer/director didn't even *read* the stupid book.  Not only is he
  all wrong for the part *physically*, but the boy can't act his way out
  of a toothpaste commercial.  The final, fatal blow to this already badly
  bruised flick is the Hollywood ending.  Yes, yes, the poor dope fiend
  dies from a cocaine overdose (golly-gee-whiz, I guess that I'll never
  do cocaine NOW!) and that's all very predictable.  But the worst part
  came earlier, when our hero, Mr. McCarthy, breaks down a door to save
  his drugged-out friend from a blow-job.  First of all, in the book,
  there were *NO* heroes.  Second of all, McCarthy's character wouldn't
  have "saved" his buddy from the "evils" of sucking cock, he would have
  got down on his knees and joined in.  Hmmmm...come to think of it, the
  book wasn't so bad after all, compared to this horribly antiseptic
  version of lost youth and lost morals.  (Not to mention the $6.00 I lost
  to see it.)

  -- Mark