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From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Wood Playsets
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:43:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep1.005502.10544@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly) writes:
 > Has anyone purchased one of the higher quality (and expensive)
 > wood playsets you've probably seen advertised by different
 > companies?  I'm thinking of buying one from CedarWorks in Maine,
 > one set they have on sale (ha!) has three swings, a couple of
 > ladders, some deck areas, trapeze bar, rings, and a 10' heavy-duty
 > plastic slide.  This is a mid-range one and is $1150, and they
 > charge a couple hundred to ship it.  We already have one of the
 > much lower priced (Sears) painted metal ones, but it's pretty
 > junky.

I have a friend who looked into buying one of these things.  He
eventually realized that for the money he was looking to spend he
could buy himself some very nice power tools and build the thing.  I
thought it was a pretty nice rationalization for getting something
that he was itching to buy anyway but for which he could never before
justify the expense.  And it worked out great.  The playset was fun
for him to build and his daughter loves it.  Now both of them have new
toys to play with!
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:16:21 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <19920825163350SEB1525@MVS.draper.com> SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher) writes:

   Interesting discussion.  Now, getting past the question of whether
   homeschooling is a Good Thing...

   Once you've decided to go for it, how do you manage the legal and
   sociopolitical aspects of it?  Most municipal school systems and
   town halls are none too encouraging, not to say downright hostile,
   when it comes to teaching your kid(s) at home.

Not all of them are hostile.

   How can you make sure that your kid gets the education she needs
   by the time she enters high school?  Parents aren't professional
   educators, and they will need some kind of guidance or program to
   know they're not letting whole areas of study go by the boards.

There are curriculums that people often purchase to handle it, or some
get materials from the local school district.

   What do you tell your friends, neighbors, local cop on the beat,
   colleages, and (most of all) other kids about where Junior is
   doing her study?

   These are serious questions for anyone who plans to embark upon this.
   I really need to know the answers.

Please join us on the homeschooling mailing list and ask the questions
there - there are people actually homeschooling their kids who have
dealt with the issues and others who are looking into it or planning
to when their children are old enough. The list is pretty low traffic,
but the more people we get involved, the more information we'll get.

Write to:

	home-ed-request@alfalfa.com	Subscription requests


-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: Who cares about length (Was: Our newborn, and birth experience)
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:49:25 GMT

>>First, the important news:
>>
>>	   Casey Nathaniel Grun
>>	   July 17, '92
>>	   8 lbs, 8 oz.
>>	   22 inches long (does anybody really care about that?)
>
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Yes, my "little" brother does.  At 11 lbs, 2 oz and 24 inches, he was the
>biggest baby that we knew.  Then my son came along at 11 lbs, 5 oz and 
>23 inches.  Now my son is the biggest we know, but my brother insists it's the
>length that counts.

Well, I was talking to my dad, and he tells me his brother was 12 lbs. at
birth, and my dad was 14 lbs.!!  What is even more scary is my grandmother
gave birth to them at HOME with no Dr., no epidural, nothing!  I shudder
to think of it.  I'm glad they test for things like gestational diabetes
these days and the likelihood of this happening is now slight.  

Oh yes, I had a friend who's son was 26 inches long -- poor thing, she's
only about 5 feet tall, gained 60 lbs, and had this 6 lb. 5 oz. beanpole
slowly uncurl at birth!                     

--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
From: susanw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Susan Wechsler)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:30:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Regardless of all the excuses given, the real reason our school 
buses don't have seat belts is MONEY.   But because it would sound 
too distasteful to put money before the lives of our children, we
make up lame excuses like:
   1) We couldn't make the kids wear the belts, and couldn't 
      supervise that they were used correctly.
   2) Maintaining the belts would be difficult.
   3) School buses are safer than automobiles (this one is really
       a bunch of bullsh--).

My daughter starts kindergarten in the Fall, and she went to 
SafetyTown this summer.  My husband, Dane, accompanied her the day 
they talked about school bus safety.  Since the SafetyTown folks had 
previously stressed the importance of automobile seat belts, Dane
asked why they weren't in school buses.  They answered with the #3 
reason given above; Dane felt he had to challenge this blatant hypocrisy
in order to maintain any credibility with our daughter about the
importance of seat belts, so he did.  Finally, they sheepishly backed
down their answer...




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Birthday Present?  9 y/o Girl
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:35:06 GMT

Yeah, I know.  I had to think twice before I put "girl" in the subject... :-)

Anyway, It's my oldest daughters birthday next week and I haven't the FAINTEST
idea what to get her.  To make matters worse, neither does she!

She is into sporty things, and the only thing that she could think of is
roller blades.  Anyone have any idea as to how much these things cost?
Safety?  We typically do not go overboard on presents...

Any suggestions?  Pleeeeze?
-- 
[  Gordon D. Berkley    INTERNET: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com   POST: cgb001   ]
[  PHONE: +972 (3) 565-8727      FAX: +972 (3) 565-8754      (UTC-2)         ]
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: PLEASE, PLEASE READ! Please help!
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:10:17 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle) writes:

> Hi, I would appreciate any help anyone could give to me. I'm recently divorce
> and am breastfeeding my 19 months old son, who is also on an Apnea Monitor,
>  Please!!!!!! He's supposed to get him next weekend, if I could get some info
> together before they might file for contempt then maybe it would all be ok.
> I'm not out for revenge against my husband, all I want is to be able to 
> provide the best care possible for my son until he gets older and no longer 
> has the medical problems that he does.
>  He also has sever Gastroesophogeal Reflux, controlled w/prescriptions.
> And he has NEVER, in his life, been away from me. I have always fed on demand
> and would like to let him wean on his own. That's the least I can do for him
> Thank You,
> Gayle Vincent
> 
>   What's black & brown and looks good on a lawyer?     A doberman :-)
 

Hi Gayle...I can hear how worried and concerned you are for your little boy. 
 It must be hard to let go.  I assume that the cout has taken into account 
your child's age and breastfeeding, and this is why he is going to his 
father for the daytime.

Why is it so important for you to provide breastmilk for him while he is 
with his father?  Is he on a milk free diet?  Is he eating solid foods?

At 19 months, I imagine he knows that you are the one that feeds him, and 
wouldn't need to be fed breatmilk while you are apart.  If he's on a good 
mixed diet, he doesn't need the breastmilk....He may well need you, and the 
comfort of breatfeeding, and that will be hard....But breastmilk won't make 
up for the emotional needs.

Personally, I would forget about trying to express milk for him while he's 
away.  Feed him before he goes, offer him the breat as soon as he wants it 
when he comes home, and at night...and express while he's away, if you need 
to, to keep your milk supply up, and to avoid discomfort.


I'm so sorry for your anguish, and ?I hope it goes well...I support you in 
nursing your older baby, and hope it will not be too traumatic for him, even 
though it will be for you.  It seems that his father has a right to access, 
and the court are enforcing it...Have you covered the emotional needs he has 
to be with you?  How often does he nurse?  How does he go to sleep?  What 
about the trauma of separation?  Have these angles been covered?

There are no easy answers in custody situations, and you, the baby, and his 
father all have rights.  I hope the baby's rights are treated with utnost 
sensitivity......If not, fight!

Best of luck...Kerry
From: obrien@sparc28.hri.com (Jim Obrien)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: SCOLDING children.
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:23:13 GMT
Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

Last week I was on vacation with my girlfriend and her 2 
year old daughter and my 9 year old daughter.

I had been driving for about 10 hours, and I found myself 
having to yell "QUIET" kind of loud at my girlfriends 2 
year old.

At first, she would not quiet down at all, so my girlfriend
tried, and she seemed to make even more noise. She was not 
crying, she was whining and asking to get out of her car seat. 
She would repeat this over and over again. I am patient with 
children under must normal conditions, but in the car I found 
my patience was limited. 

I was very open discussing this situation with my girlfriend.
She was curious to see how her daughter would react to a
man disaplining her, and so was I. I had decided that I would
scold her only after my girlfriend seemed to be losing the
battle. I would only raise my voice in response.

The young girl has never had a man scolding her before, nor has
she been on a long traveling type vacation before. So we all
had a lot of patience, and put up with a lot more that we normally
would. 

After about 3 days, (30% time traveling) the 2 year old seemed to
be reacting to my loud voise. When I said QUIET, or NO, she would
listen when I raised my voise. After 5 days, all I had to do was
look at her fast with a stern look on my face, and see would quiet
right down. I remember my father doing a simular thing and it seemed 
to work, and I think I turned out ok. If I didn't get any results from
this after a few days, I guess I would have either ignored her, or
turn around and go home.

But the big question is:

     o   Is Controlled yelling OK ?

     o   Is a slap on the wrist OK ?

     o   Is ignoring the child OK ?

     o   Should the man seem like the bad guy ?

I would like to do the right thing for the little girl and for
my girlfriend. She has been raising her alone, and we both would
like to see her turn out respecting others, and emotionally stable.

any comments would be appreciated      Thankx   Jim...


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:36:48 GMT

Hi, I posted originally about this subject.  I have received several
replies, thanks everybody.  One thing everyone mentioned was not to
consider the scholarship funds, it is possible to do it myself.  Well
I will take your advice.

The most popular option was to invest in mutual funds.  I have decided
to look into this option.  I know nothing about investing or anything,
but I guess I will learn quickly.  There are a few financial advisors in
the town I live in, are these the people to call?  Do they set these
kinds of things up, or do I need to find a broker? 

One person uses insurance policies as savings.  I also have a couple
of policies that I guess we could use for education purposes if we had to.

Just to pass on a note, there is a book called "Managing your Money" that
comes highly recommended for anyone in the same boat as me who needs a 
little financial guidance.  The author is Jane Bryant.  I am going to
try to find this book, hopefully they sell it in Canadian bookstores also.

Thanks for all your help, I will definitely be looking into the mutual fund
option.

Catharine Robshaw
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: early pregnancy & cramping?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

This is my first time and I'm 6-8 weeks.  Every day or two I feel 
a bit of mild cramping, like menstrual cramps.  No bleeding or
discharge, but it makes me nervous.  Anyone else experience this?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: birth announcement (easy birth stories)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:11:10 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug27.161636.13768@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, 
ishizaki@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Audrey Ishizaki) writes:
> None of the birth stories I had read, or classes that we had taken had
> prepared me that my baby might come really fast.  I had expected a really
> long process, so we were unprepared.  In retrospect, I should have called
> the hospital as soon as my bag of waters had broken.  They may have been
> able to tell me how to recognize (more quickly) when to get to the hospital.
> My sister-in-law's LaMaze instructor told her that my contractions starting
> out so quickly (at 6 minutes apart) was an indication of a quick labor.
> All I know, is that for the next baby, I'm going to try to get to the
> hospital *earlier*!

That may not be the best idea.  It's interesting that the healthiest class of 
mothers and babies are the ones who are delivered ON THE WAY to the hospital.  
I had a similar experience to you, but my contractions started at 2 minutes 
apart.  My water had broken two hours before.  I got to the birth center 
about 5cm dialated, and delivered the baby very soon after.  But damn, those 
contractions were right on top of each other and hurt like hell.  Oh well.  
Better than 36 hours :-)
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship
Subject: Question for Charles Perez and Ted Frank
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:09:29 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Anyway, guys, why is it okay for jackanapes like Henry Schaffer and
Chris "Knucklehead" Morton to parade their inability to write C code but
not okay for yours truly to  lack quite the depth of knowledge of racist
trivia on tap in Ted Frank?  I've shown how the secret incapability on
display in Schaffer and Knucklehead has a subtle relationship to
technological decay, for the unemployment and underemployment of the
nonwhite, the nonmale, and the aged is paralleled by the overemployment
of the young white male.  As such, their abilities in C are far more
germane than my inattentiveness to racist trivia of the sort of which
Ted is fond.

I suggest that we return to the subject under discussion, which is the
subtle racism of contemporary American society and how it found
expression in the Viktora decision, rather than waste bandwidth on
Trivial Pursuit.
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.travel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.british
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: US dual citizenship info -- updated version available via FTP
Organization: gte
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 22:33:46 GMT

In article <ktay+bd@rpi.edu>,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug12.110603.1@acad3.alaska.edu> on Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:06:03 GMT,
> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
> 
>   > In article <JIM.92Aug12132113@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk>, jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>   > > In article <1992Aug10.104127.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>   > > 
>   > >    Isn't there a law on the books that you can't give up your citizenship
>   > >    for the purpose of tax evasion?
>   > > 
>   > > It wouldn't be needed. Most governments use a residency qualification
>   > > as the basis for income taxes, irrespective of someone's citizenship
>   > > or nationality.
>   > > 
>   > 
>   > With the United States being a notable exception.  They tax U.S.
>   > citizens irregardless of where they reside, unless maybe it's Puerto
>   > Rico, and I don't know how that works, exactly.  === Al Sparks
> 
> and the US now checks the tax returns of nonresidents before renewing
> their passports, I've heard.
> 
How do you reconcile this claim with the "tax free" status persons
working in Saudi Arabia are supposed to get.

I think you mean that US citizens are required to file income tax
forms -- not necessarily pay income tax on all income.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.motorcycles
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: ++ADVICE ON POTENTIAL LAWSUIT(on a motorcycle)++
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C93E4DA70E2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:35:41 GMT
Organization: World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.190359.2242@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Max D Garber,
mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>HE HAS:  Himself, his mom and dad saying "IT'S NOT HIS FAULT, HE SOLD
IT!!"
>
A similiar incident occurred to me a few years
back when I bought a 280Z.  I found out a couple
of days after I bought it that the frame was rusted
to the point of non-repair (I know, I should have
check it but that's another story).  Anyway I checked
with the police and they told me that in the eyes
of the law, a vehicle is sold "as is" weather it's
expressed or implied and there's really not much
I can do about it but to be more careful in the 
future before I buy another vehicle from an
individual.  They said had I bought it from a
dealer I might have a case.  That's in the commiewealth
of Virgina...your individual outragous laws in your
state may vary...


*******************************************
-Aki                                  *
DoD #0628                   * A tank of gas, a pair of
                                    * gloves, a helmet on my
                                    * head and a motor between
----------------------- * my legs..folks, it don't git
Disclaimer:  Comments     * no bettern' this...
my own, my employer        *
doesn't understand them... *
********************************************
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Scum clarification (was: Re: Nilges
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:09:59 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug27.201317.10481@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.171754.4832@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>No, your use of standard codewords for Jews, as well understood by
>>NAAWP, the Klan, the Liberty Lobby, and other anti-Semitic groups
>>is what constituted the anti-Semitism in your post.  And who are you
>
>My phrase was "scum of all persuasions": you changed this, Tedster, to
>"scum of all nations", in a direct violation of net ethics and as a lie.

A clarification: I used two phrases to refer to an international power
elite composed of Jews and Gentiles that sets the agenda.  The first was
"scum of all persuasions", meaning of course that includes Gentiles and
Jews.  In a separate post, I referred to "scum of all developed
nations", referring to the abuse that the developed nations subject the
Third World to, of which the abuse meted out to Sherheryar was but an
example.  Tedster deliberately distorted this to "scum of all nations"
which is redolent of the Nazi picture of Jews as "rootless
cosmopolites", when it was clear that both Sherheryar and I mean that a
power elite (which does NOT meet in some room somewhere, instead
expresses itself in the operation of structures).

It is relatively easily to change Left analyses of political and
economic structures to Nazi analyses by a series of verbal tricks of the
sort that Tedster has used here.  This is because Nazi and Fascist
parties are the RESULT of inveigling "lumpen" elements of the working
class into pseudo-socialist movements.  Both Hitler's Nazis and
Mussolini's Fascisti started life as "worker's" movements, movements
that were deliberately strengthened by German and Italian industrialists
because of their fear of the power of real socialism.  Therefore, the
political analyses of the Nazi and Fascist are bound to be debased forms
of the political analyses of the socialist.  The Nazi presents the
caricature of the wealthy Jew, whereas the socialist presents the
capitalist in formal attire; the Nazi tries to persuade us that there
really are hook-nosed Jews, in formal attire, plotting the demise of the
worker, whereas the socialist merely uses HIS caricature of the
capitalist, in formal attire, as a convenient way of referring to those
(very real) classes that go to parties in formal attire while workers
starve.  

However, the historical record is that mild socialism inoculates against
the brutal ethnic antagonisms that produce fascism.  This was true when
European democracies used social welfare planning to heal their
societies after world war II, and it remains true in Bosnia that you get
fascism when you subtract even Tito's thug socialism.
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