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From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Improvisation where has it gon
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:38:54 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <detchay.2.711552049@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au>
detchay@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (TONY CHAY) writes:
 
>
>
>	Learning Tab and playing a lead break by another guitarist is good
>fun and alot of people may be impressed with it.  What I want to know is
>what happened to the guitar purists like Jimi Hendrix etc.  who played a
>
*******
It may be common for plectrum players to truly improvise when actually performi
ng, but I doubt it. I know that *real* flamenco players rarely if ever surprise
themselves by coming up with new stuff on the spur of the moment in performance
Mario Escudero once told me that he preferred to make his mistakes at home.
Why is this such a prized talent (if it really exists at all)? For every truly
brilliant lick one invents--spontaneous or otherwise--there are **many** that
do not deserve to be repeated. I suspect that a lot of the hype about "playing
one's own music" comes from recording company executives who know that recordin
g already copyrighted stuff is not as profitable as recording new stuff that is
copyrightable.  This is a hell of a poor criterion to use for judging the value
 of a piece of music, however.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: saunders@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Kevin Saunders)
Subject: Re: Improvisation where has it gone:  Stairway to Hell LIVE!
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:11:33 GMT


>>>someone stated...

When I was a kid in the '50s nobody "played their own songs" or "improvised" or or drooled over the idea of it. You got a guitar or banjo and played songs you heard on records...

>>>
But not Buddy Holly, according to the portrayal in "The
Buddy Holly Story":  Buddy and the Crickets blow off a
Nashville producer, Buddy telling him:  "You told me we'd
get to do our own music our own way!  We don't need this
country band backing us... our arrangements are
improvised...  we've found a way to make a small band sound
good..."

Personally, I always went for improv, and think that rote
playing, however skillful and/or beautiful, is NOT rock and
roll.  I think the key here is that good musicians can play
by ear, and improvisational ability is a mark of your
ear--your ability to hear what others are doing--and of
your own melodic/lyrical abilities.  Oh yeah, guts also.

"Real musicians do it in Real Time..."

Of course, if you don't have these, your improvisations
aren't going to be very satisfactory.  On the other hand,
having them is no guarantee that on a given night you'll be
able to make it work--that's the CHALLENGE of
improvisation, and part of the thrill is knowing that
you're taking risks.

Anyway, it worked for me well enough to get an improvised
guitar solo on Chuck Eddy's Stairway to Hell (#74, Angry
Samoans _Inside My Brain_, "Right Side of My Mind"--come to
think of it, that's the ONLY guitar solo on that album!).
Hell, talk about improv--we didn't even know we were being
recorded!

so much for jazz,
bonze


-- 

Kevin Eric Saunders, CometMonger--"NeXT, please!"
   saunders@nmc.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: DigiTech RP-1
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:11:54 GMT

In article <1872@sdrc.COM>
dsschuh@sdrc.COM (Tracy Schuhwerk) writes:
 
>Does anyone have any custom patches for the DigiTech RP-1 they would
>like to share?
 
I have an RP-1 on order. Expect to get it in another week or so.
I plan on posting custom patches as I come up with them. I'll post
a review of it the RP-1 too, as soon as I get to know it well enuf!
Feel free to do the same.
 
>I just picked up an RP-1 the other night and spent hours playing with
>the factory presets.  Now I'd like to mess around with custom patches
>and see what other people have come up with so far.
 
>The RP-1 sounds GREAT!  If you haven't had a chance to mess with one
>of these boxes yet, check it out!
 
Glad to hear it! I'll be even more glad when I hear it in person. ;-)
 
>                -- Tracy Schuhkwerk
>                   (dsschuh@sdrc.com)
 
--Eric
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Bonnie Raitts' open tuning
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:08:32 CST

In article <1992Jul27.131027.10347@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney) writes:
 
>
>Does anyone know the open tuning(s) Bonnie Raitt uses?
>
>Thanks
>
>Jim Feeney
>
 
I read somewhere--maybe Guitar Player, maybe Musician--that she uses Lowell
George's open A tuning.  The extra tension changes the tone somewhat.
 
Open A should be read low to high as EAEAC#E.  I think.
 
Mike James
Ruston, LA
US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
From: chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re:Syd Barrett
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:33:13 GMT
Reply-To: chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Pete Anderson wrote a book about Syd Barrett called "Syd Barrett and the
Dawn of Pink Floyd". It has some photos in the middle of the book that
show Syd at various stages of growing up and with Floyd plus some post
Floyd ones. The most recent photo shows a balding, thinly bearded middle
aged man. Syd is living in Cambridge and paints, he has no interest in
music and doesn't want people turning up at his house. The author would
seem to have been talking to the family judging from all the family photos
and the book is quite interesting. Syd was mentally ill from all the LSD
he took, he was schizophrenic and suffered paranoic delusions, a good
reason to be in hospital rather than a drug clinic. He was fairly nasty to
some girlfriends at this stage and seems to have treated them fairly
roughly. From what the book says it is no wonder the band got rid of him
he was making life miserable for everyone. Although there are publicity
photos of a 5 man Floyd they never recorded together. Syd was seen hanging
around Abbey Road studios at that stage but wasn't asked to play. The
Amazing Pudding, an English fanzine about Roger Waters and Pink Floyd have
had some of the unpublished photos from the Pete Anderson's book printed
in the magazine over the last year. Does anyone know if it is possible to
get Syd's music from anywhere or does anyone have any tabs for his work ?
There is also an Italian book with a single (it has the Word song on it)
knocking around. It has interviews in Italian and all of Sy'd song lyrics
in English and Italian. I can't read the Italian but the book has some
nice photos too.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ryanr@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan)
Subject: Re: Strengthening Fingernails for Fingerpicking
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:02:59 GMT
	<92199.131131WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <45333@shamash.cdc.com>
	<1992Jul22.194145.25560@tc.cornell.edu> <45569@shamash.cdc.com>
Organization: Computer Science Department, Colorado State University

>>>>> On 23 Jul 92 17:08:55 GMT, dbw@svl.cdc.com (Dave Woerner) said:

Dave> saunders@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Kevin Saunders) writes:


>   I just read a book on skin care which states that:

>	Eating gelatin does NOT strengthen your nails.

Dave> Yup - I agree with this statement from personal experience.

Dave> Dave

It might sound strange but try the instructions on the package of
Knox's unflavored gelatin.  You're not supposed to EAT gelatin as a
nail strengthener.  You're supposed to take it in a drink, at least 3
hours after having eaten anything and at least 1/2 hour before eating
anything.  If you've already tried this for 2 or 3 months and haven't
gotten any results, please post.  I guess it doesn't really get into
your system all that well unless you give it some space.  Also, the
amount you take from a package of unflavored gelatin is LOT more than
you get from eating a bowl of it even if it doesn't look like it.

See you,
Richard.
From: jlew@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jeremy Lew)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Crybaby pot wiring
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:53:44 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation

I cut the pot out of my Crybaby to spray-clean it a while ago, and
when trying to put it back in, I found out that I had neglected to 
write down which wires go to which terminals on the pot.  So: if
someone could peek inside their Crybaby (a fairly recent Dunlop,) and
email me the info, I would be considerably more happy.
Thanks,
JL
From: steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:29:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

There's a nifty Parkening arrangement of this, along with some other
Bach pieces (the Prelude in C from the WCC in particular) and a
couple of other composers.  However, it is very difficult, so try it out
before buying it...

Gavin Steyn
steyn@cs.rochester.edu
"There are times, Jeeves, when one wonders, 'Do pants really matter?'"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cdj@iti.org (Chris D. Jennings)
Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: usa 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:51:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.223205.4415@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>
>Time to enter the '90s folks.  In the 20+ years after leaving Glass Harp,
>Phil has released 16 Christian albums, 2 instructional videos, and lots
>of great guitar work.
>
>He has 3 instrumental albums, all of which one him Dove Awards for Best
>Instrumental Album.  His latest, "Beyond Nature", is an all acoustic instrumental
>album ala Michael Hedges (just as good too!).
>
>His instructional videos are dedicated to Electric and Acoustic respectively.
>I have the former and its decent.


While we're at it...
I haven't seen Phil recently, but last time I did (about 4 years
ago) he was touring with a full band on the "Sunday's Child" tour,
including Randy Stonehill (another excellent Christian songwriter
and musician).  I suspect he still does full-band electric shows at
times.  BTW, I saw him sometime back around '80 or '81 (I think) and
his band included the bassist and drummer from what is now King's X.
That was the most I've seen Phil rock (out of about 8 times I've
seen him).

- Chris
From: kleim@bass.bu.edu (Kathryn Kleiman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Berkeley
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: chuck@novusinc.novus.com (Chuck Stern)
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Boston University

The Berklee School of Music is in Boston, and is most noted for its jazz
program.  If I remember correctly, Chick Corea is a graduate.  Herb Pomeroy,
leader of one of the best big bands in Boston, is a teacher there.

There is not one thing that they specialize in, but they spend lots of time
on performance and on composition.  Their jazz composition people are among
the best.

They also have recently started a rock(!!!) program.

	Chuck Stern
	posting from kleim@bass.bu.edu
	reply to chuck@novusinc.novus.com
From: jhakala@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jay S. Hakala)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: THE MOST DISPENSABLE GUIT
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:15:53 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Dispensable:

How about that other guitarist in MegaDeath...Cause
pompus bastard Dave Mustain insists on doing lead-vocals
and playing lead-guitar....while the other bozo just
plays rythem.....
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mike@vulcan.webo.dg.com (Mike Fugere)
Subject: Casio Midi Guitar Info
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:47:06 GMT
Reply-To: mike@vulcan.webo.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., ASD/NSDD

Keywords: Casio

A few years back, Casio came out with a couple of MIDI electric
guitars/controllers.  As far as I can recall, there was an
el-cheapo "toy" model with rubber strings, but there was an
actual bona-fide, real electric guitar with infa-red sensors (?)
that worked as a perfectly good MIDI controller and wasn't a bad
'lectric axe either.  Does anyone know:
A) IF they are still made/available
B) Where I might be able to find one - no stores around me
    seem to know much about 'em.
C) What I can expect for a price on one ? Seems to me they
   were about $550-650 bcak then....
Any info is much appreciated!
 

Mike Fugere
"No Fancy Sigs here!"
From: barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: rockman soloist for sale
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:26:32 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

rockman soloist with headphones and AC adapter.
paid $159 for soloist and $20 for adapter.
asking $100 for all.
I will pay for shipping.

E-mail barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu or rbarrett@uga.bitnet
From: wazenski@egr.duke.edu (Michael T. Wazenski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Wah Wah noise: How to Fix
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:30:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC

>It's a Jim Dunlop Cry Baby.  The noise is especially noticeable on the dirty
>channel and get's louder as he pushes down to the treble side.  Thus producing
>a wind-like effect (Which actually sounds kinda neat, although not quite
>appropriate for most situations).  If somebody knows a simple remedy for this


I have a similar problem with my pedal, but instead of noise, I get the
local radio station.  Wierd.  It seems the pedal opens the high frequency
end all the way up to AM radio frequencies.  Since the amp cord is long,
it becomes a decent attenna.  One fix would be to install a low pass filter
with a cutoff around 20-25 Khz.

Mike  
wazenski@egr.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: MultiTrackin!
    <1992Jul22.234128.28005@verdix.com> <DJM.92Jul23131939@frob.eng.umd.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:02:57 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <DJM.92Jul23131939@frob.eng.umd.edu> djm@eng.umd.edu (David J. MacKenzie) writes:
>A few months ago I got a Tascam Portastudio 488, which fits 8 tracks
>onto an ordinary cassette (using both sides at the same time and
>running at twice the normal speed).  It's a lot more flexible than a
>4-track, and surprisingly affordable -- it cost me about $1300.  It's
>a great machine.  There's little cross-talk between tracks and the
>controls feel very precise.  I recommend it to those who are tired of
>wracking their brains bouncing tracks, like I was.


8 tracks on one cassette? neato... i'm wondering why they don't
use those little 8mm tape cassette for recording.. hell, they use
them for computer backups.  i'd imagine you can get 8-12 tracks
on one of these tapes with very excellent sound quality..

aash
-- 
aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
From: jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary James Jasdzewski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,purdue.forsale
Subject: digital delay
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:26:38 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I would like to buy a used digital delay.  Especially the Boss
stompbox.  Got one?
From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Ebow (E-bow?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Organization: ASO IM operations


I have an EBOW nice toy, you can get bowing sounds (cello like), flute sounds
(by turning the treble all the way down on the guitar) and synth like sounds 
etc. I tried mine on my takamine and it didn't work well at all, but that 
could be because I use phosphor bronze strings rather than steel. As near
as I can tell it must generate a pulsating magnetic field that excites the 
strings.

--
/dave

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|          Metaltronix, EMG, Semour Duncan, D'Addario rock on!              |
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ccb@axemax.zk3.dec.com (Senor Bennett)
Subject: Re: What's happening with Fender amps?!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Nashua, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:10:00 GMT

In response to Steve (Doin that blues thing).

I own a Fender Standard (Japan) and a Fender American Standard. They are
very similar in the woodwork but the similarity ends there. My Standard
cost me $250 without the case, new. It is basically a 1962-ish strat. I
thought the price was more than fair. My american cost me $550, new. To
the standard, add the following to get an American Std: 

	Full body route to allow humbucking pickups
	upgrade trem - two pivots instead of 6 screws
	cast saddle pieces rather than cheap stamped steel
	fully sheilded body and trem cavities
	TBX tone control  
	3 layer pick guard
	22 fret neck vs. 21 frets 
	Jumbo frets
	truss rod accessible at headstock
	molded ABS case 
	Improved Resale Value

Arguably worth $300 more, but the Ibanez RG550 is in the same ball park
but will not be worth $550 in 3 years. The strat will be.
 
I've heard a lot of people slag the Strat Ultra. This is a guitar that
costs dealers < $700. You can probably get one for ~$850 from most dealers.
Let's take a look at the Fender line and see what you get for that money.
We'll start with the features above and add in bits as we go along.

Strat Deluxe: (add ~$50 ($600) - if you can find one.) 
	replace pickups with 3 gold FLS

Strat +: (add another ~$50 ($650))
	replace nut with wilkinson nut
	add trem-setter
	replace tuners with locking tuners
	add bi-flex truss rod

Strat + Deluxe: (add another $75 ($725) 
	replace pickups with blue, silver, red FLS

Strat Ultra: (add another $125 - $150 ($850-$875)
	Add figured maple top and bottom
	Add ebony fingerboard
	Add second red FLS in bridge position w/switch

Compare all of these to other American makers - Gibson, PRS, Hamer,
Rickenbacker, Jackson. They're still pretty cheap by comparison. I
gag at the thought of paying $2200 for a Les Paul with a figured maple
top.

Now would I want to lay down $875 for a Strat? No. The Japan-made standards
are the best buy (IMHO) in the strat market. I wouldn't touch a Squire or
a Mexican Start. The Am Std is a great guitar with an excellent reputation
for long life and reliability.

Fender bottomed out in the mid '80s but since breaking away from Sony they've
been getting better very quickly. Five years ago I thought strats were junk
but they've been cleaning up their act a very fast pace.
 
-- 

The opinions expressed are those of the author and do not represent the
opinion of DEC's UNIX Engineering Group or Digital Equipment Corp.
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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:47:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Could someone point me at a good arrangement for classical
guitar for this Bach piece?  (I don't need tab, I can read
standard notation - sort of).

Thanks
-- 

Mendoza: "You must play poker, Commander."
Riker:   "Poker?  That a game of some sort?" -- ST:TNG, "The Price"
From: frazo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (%$!#@!*%@#!)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: THE MOST DISPENSABLE GUIT
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:46:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

How about Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen, their pretty
dispensable...
From: jhakala@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jay S. Hakala)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: The most dispensable guitarist
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:27:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <36467@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper) writes:
>In article <1992Jul9.213547.25682@news.cs.brandeis.edu> littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul8.205302.13988@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, ywh@asterix.merit.edu (Woody Huang) writes:
>
>>	Kirk Hammett (sp?) Metallica is pretty dispensible.
>
>  He didn't used to be but now this stmt. is "Sad But True".

Who ever posted this:  Would you please clarify why you think
kirk is dispensable.....I think he rocks!!!!!!

Blunt statements like the above show a lack of thought.......

Atleast Qualify your statements with some fact/reasons....

Jay
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jfoy@narcy.gao.dec.com (John Foy)
Subject: Re: THE MOST DISPENSABLE GUIT
Reply-To: jfoy@narcy.gao.dec.com (John Foy)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:57:13 GMT


In article <35998@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, frazo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (%$!#@!*%@#!) writes:
|>From: frazo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (%$!#@!*%@#!)
|>Newsgroups: alt.guitar
|>Subject: Re: THE MOST DISPENSABLE GUIT
|>
|>How about Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen, their pretty
|>dispensable...
|>

Neil Young dispensable?
Are you a Madonna fan or what? The mans a genius!
From: wheeler@Xerox.com (Molly Wheeler)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Need Help
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:04:25 GMT
Reply-To: wheeler@Xerox.com (Molly Wheeler)
Organization: Xerox PARC

Hi-
I was wondering if someone could help me.
I want to buy my boyfriend a guitar for his
birthday. I know absolutely nothing about guitars
and don't know what the prices range at, etc.
Could anyone give me some advice on this?
Thanks!

Molly
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fullerto@carp.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Subject: Re: HELP:  String breakage of the High E on an acoustic.
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:14:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.125149.4410@devildog.att.com> jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.061033.15709@cis.ohio-state.edu> fullerto@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Jul25.051708.2615@u.washington.edu>, insomnia@carson.u.washington.edu (Ryan Klemmer) writes:
>>>>
>>>> What are some good brands of strings in the mid (10-20 dollars) price
>>>> range?  I keep breaking the high E string on quite new (1 month old)
>>>> strings.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>
>>	If you play at least a half an hour
>>five days a week or therabouts, then after a month your strings are quite OLD.
>>Your skin oil corrodes them, and the frets divot them. If your picking
>>technique is hard at all, then I could expect the high E to break after that
>>much time.
>>
>
>I respectfully disagree.  I've been playing acoustic guitar for 30 years,
>and while I admit I should change my strings more regularly, I commonly keep
>strings on for more than 30 days without a problem.  Could there be a burr on
>the nut, saddle, or tuning machine that the high E string rubs against?  Are
>you de-tuning it to go to open tunings?  Try a different brand of string.
>Are your hands particularly sweaty and/or acidic?
>


	Actually, I, myself, haven't broken a string in the last ten years or
so, since my technique developed. While I am not discounting any of the afore-
mentioned possibilities in Mister Klemmer's original request for advice, I 
merely had the suggestion that he was waiting too long to change his strings.
When I say they are old, then I imply that enough damage has occurred to 
impair their timbre (that is, they don't sound as good as when they were new)
and render them vulnerable to breaking UNDER ESPECIALLY HEAVY TECHNIQUE.


				Best Wishes

					Tim
					fullerto@cis.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar