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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: DISPUTE OVER A BILL WITH SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:26:52 GMT

mcgrant@rascals.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant) wrote: 
->I imagine that if you had straightened things out in the first week
->or so, they may very well have waived the charges. But 40 bucks is
->quite a lot of papers! I say pay it, live and learn.

for the examiner, it's about four months' worth.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Washer,Dryer,Fridge & Stove All At Once!
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:14:26 GMT

>all the European brands [washers] (AEG, Asea, etc.)
>[...]
>On the other hand, most of them heat
>their own water electrically, which, although it gives more precise
>temperature control (and some claim better cleaning because it avoids
>cooking in stains), gives a longer cycle and vitiates much of the
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>advantage of higher energy efficiency (since gas-heated water costs
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>about a third of electric-heated water).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On the other hand, they generally spin at such high speeds, that drying
time is significantly reduced, so you gain back some of your heating
efficiency _and_ some of your cycle time...

Ken "they're still too expensive for me"
--- staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: Re: Washer,Dryer,Fridge & Stove All At Once!
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 08:03:58 GMT
Organization: NT/BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:58:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.205003.3906@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Colette George,
colette@bnr.ca writes:
>I would appreciate any suggestions from the net on what to buy, what to
avoid,
>etc.  Thanks in advance!

Please post responses or at least a summary.  I'm building a house and am
in the same situation, plus dishwasher purchase.   Gracias.
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From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: DISPUTE OVER A BILL WITH SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER!
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:30:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ite0lINNqnk
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <prk.726482825@polaris> prk@planet.bt.co.uk (Peter Knight) writes:
>I have been reading this thread with incredulity:
>
>More civilised countries, eg the UK, have laws about unsolicited goods,
>ie products you didn't order and so have no contract with the supplier.

(1) We aren't talking about unsolicited goods.  There was a contract here.

(2) We are not talking about a civilized country (although the USA does
have laws like the ones you mentioned).

(3) Explain the phrase "civilised countries, eg the UK".  I thought that
eg meant that an example was to follow. :-)

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: lyson@mpr.ca (Angela Lyson)
Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:00:40 GMT

aem@symbiosis.ahp.com writes:
>How often do you go out and buy speciality (i.e. non-sandwich) breads?
>Think about how many times you can do that before you match the purchase
>price of the bread machine, let alone operating costs. And will you stop
>buying bread outside once you have a bread machine?
	It's not clear to me what "non-sandwich breads" are, so I will
	say that we never bought white bread, and always tried to buy 
	something different from whole wheat bread.

	After we got our bread machine about a year ago, we have not 
	bought a single loaf of bread.

>Like most appliances, bread machines tend to gather dust after a few
>months of activity.
	I will readily admit that the food processor, mixer, and blender
	in our house get occasional use.  But we use the bread machine
	more than all three of those other appliances combined.

>For about the same price as a bread machine, you can buy a food
>processor that is powerful enough to knead dough, which is the only real
>"advantage" of a bread machine. 
	To me, the great advantage of the bread machine is that it does
	_everything_ for me, once I put the ingredients into the machine.
	I also like knowing exactly what goes into my bread, and
	being able to have unusual bread, with very little effort by me.  
	For instance, I had zucchini almond bread in my sandwich today.  
	Very nice. 

>You certainly don't need another oven, 
>particularly one that can only be used for a single purpose.  Do you
>have two square feet of kitchen counter space begging for use?
	Our machine doesn't take up two square feet of counter space,
	and we certainly can use more counter space, but it's
	worth it to us.

>Among those twelve [bread machines he knows of] probably only one is in
>use during any given week.  When I use mine now, I use it solely to
>knead the dough. 
	If you use your machine only to knead dough, certainly a
	food processor would have been better for you.  However,
	we use our machine at least once a week, and have made five
	loaves during a week.  It's great!

By the way, I agree with the assessment posted earlier that while
there are many people who are happy with Welbuilt and DAK machines,
many other people have had problems with those brands.  I have not 
heard one complaint about National/Panasonic, Sanyo, and Hitachi.
-- 
-----
Angela Lyson	   lyson@mprgate.mpr.ca          ...uunet!ubc-cs!mprgate!lyson
MPR Teltech Ltd.    
8999 Nelson Way	   I would rather gnaw my leg off, pack the bleeding stump with 
Burnaby, B.C.	   salt, & run in a circle on broken glass than have to deal
Canada  V5A 4B5	   with any Microsoft product on a regular basis.   D. Zimmerman
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: crafts@athena.mit.edu (The Invisible Man)
Subject: Re: 10 CDs for the price of 1: kosher?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:37:03 GMT

In article <1icav4INN9sa@hp-col.col.hp.com>, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
|> alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik) writes:
|> > 
|> > I've never heard of the 10-for-1 deal, but I've taken advantage of club
|> > 8-for-1 deals... MANY times :-)  Here is how I figure they make their money
|> > off this arrangement:
|> > --People forget to send back the "selection-of-the-month" card, and so
|> > consequently get stuck with the overpriced CD whether they want it or not.
|> > --The clubs STILL charge nearly $2 per disk "shipping and handling" and let me
|> > tell you, it does NOT cost $2 to "ship" or likely even "handle" a CD :-) 
|> > Obviously, this reaps in some dough.
|> > --The clubs get great bulk deals on certain labels, and are therefore able to
|> > undersell stores because they also don't have the overhead.
|> > 
|> And,
|> --People join intending to grab the 10-for-1 and run, then stay in the 
|> club out of laziness, then start ordering things 
|> because it's so easy, and not (much) more expensive than going to the store
|> for them.
|> 

Don't these clubs actually manufacture the cd's and cassettes they sell?

If you look carefully most club editions are marked as such on the cassette

or cd...

This would probably be why they are so much cheaper.

Dan
crafts@athena.mit.edu

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: rnewell@sol.UVic.CA (Chief-Colin CUPE951)
Subject: JUICE
Organization: University of Victoria
Distribution: na
Date:  6 Jan 93 23:57:55 GMT

What is the best JUICER to buy for under 300$ ?

E-mail me pls:

rnewell@sol.uvic.ca
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From: lakia@ipact.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Rechargable Battery Source Needed (and a Query)
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:09:32 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <1993Jan4.150614.6635@kodak.kodak.com>, marulli@kodak.kodak.com (Dave x71244/RDCS/2-205-KO) writes:
> I am looking for a 'cheap' source for NiCad batteries.  Does anyone know
> of perhaps a mail order place or a chain store that has them cheaper than 
> Radio Shack. ($9.75/9V, $5.75/2 pack of D-cells, etc)

I found that SAM's Club to have Ni-Cads at a very good price.  I did
got to Trash Shack to get the charger for them though.

> 
> Also, does anyone have hints about uses of NiCads?
> 
> What about mixing NiCads and standard? Rumor has it that I will weaken
> both types of batteries very rapidly. True?
> 
> Anything anyone knows would be a help.  Thanks!

It is true, NI-CADs produce less voltage, but they have a
lower interal resistance allowing them to produce more
current.  Therefore, when you need current (motors) and
can tolerate less voltage, use the NI-Cads.  For my kids
assorted trucks and cars, I use alkaline for the 9V 
battery and Ni-Cads for the drives.   Becuase of the 
electronics the voltage is assumed by the designer so
as to bias transistors and etc..  I've found that for 
electronic devices (non-motors) that use only two AA cells, 
the NI-Cads will not work.

The NI-CADS also run down differently than other batteries.
They don't give any warning like others.  When it time, the
quit very suddently.

Mixing batteries in series will not cause any adverse
effects.  However, because of how they wear out may
cause you to mistakenly replace wrong batteries.  If
wired in parrallel, the alkalines will try to charge
the Ni-Cads.


Earl Lakia			Email:  LAKIA@IPACT.COM
IPACT Inc.			Voice:  219-464-7212
260 South Campbell		FAX:    219-462-5387
Valparaiso, IN   46383
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: lola@lucid.com (Lola McCrary)
Subject: Re: Need list of *secured* VISA/Mastercard Issuers?
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 09:07:06 GMT

In article <726504480snx@tixel.mv.com> jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold) writes:

   I posted this a couple days ago, but my system was set to 1992 instead
   of 1993, so it doesn't appear that it ever really got posted....

   Does anyone have a list or references about banks (or other similar
   institutions) that will issue a *secured* VISA or MasterCard?  I checked
   with my local bank (where I've been doing business with no problems
   for almost 7 years), and although they do offer that, they have a
   ceiling of $1500 credit limit, regardless of how much you are willing
   to deposit to secure the account.  (ie, it would seem logical to me
   that if I was willing/able to deposit $4000 into the secured account,
   then my credit limit would be $4000, but apparently this logic escapes
   my local bank).  I'm preparing to do some consulting work (hopefully),
   and after airfare, hotel, etc for an extended number of weeks, that
   $1500 can be eaten up real quick.

   Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
   Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
					    H: 603-883-6371

	 "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."


I got mine thru my credit union.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.japan,sci.electronics,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: paul.levintow@ggcs.org (Paul Levintow) 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Foreign ATM Fees Re:
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Golden Gate Computer Society BBS - Marin, CA - 415-927-1216
Reply-To: paul.levintow@ggcs.org (Paul Levintow) 

TS>Second, balance inquiries print.  This is wasteful.  Most of the time when
TS>I want to check my balance, I don't need a permanent record.  I can get
TS>by with getting a printed record only when I deposit or withdraw.  I don't
TS>need the waste paper otherwise.

I feel exactly the opposite.  I am truly frustrated by ATMs that don't print
balances.  If I didn't want to know my balance, I would not have requested
it, and certainly, one cannot be expected to REMEMBER their balance 'till
they get home and can write it down!  Some bank's only print your balance
when you make a withdrawal, not making a balance inquiry.  At these bank's I
find myself taking out $20 bucks, just to get my balance on piece of paper!

---
 . OLX 2.1 TD . Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat.
                                                                                                          
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.kids
From: eliot@chutney.rtp.dg.com (Topher Eliot)
Subject: Re: Rechargable Battery Source Needed (and a Query)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:59:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: eliot@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1icog5INNefq@travis.csd.harris.com>, wcurtiss@travis.csd.harris.com (William Curtiss) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.150614.6635@kodak.kodak.com> marulli@kodak.kodak.com (Dave x71244/RDCS/2-205-KO) writes:
|> >
|> >Also, does anyone have hints about uses of NiCads?
|> 
|> NiCads are great for photoflashes, but make sure you have a second pair.
|> It seems that NiCads dump their energy quicker than alkalines.  This results
|> in quicker "cycle" times for the flash.  (A very compelling reason to use
|> NiCads in flashes, versus other types of batteries.)  

This also, of course, results in more current through the charging circuitry.
More than some of those circuits can handle.
Feel free to experiment with NiCads in your photo flash unit if you don't mind
taking a chance with burning it out.  Of course, the warrantee won't cover
this.

-- 
Topher Eliot             Data General DG/UX Systems Administration Development
(919) 248-6371                                             eliot@dg-rtp.dg.com
Obviously, I speak for myself, not for DG.
misc.consumers.house archivist.  Send mail to house-archive@dg-rtp.dg.com
"Ask me about my vow of silence."
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Re: gelatin pills
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:48:07 GMT


Isn't eating too much gelatin bad for your kidneys?  I may have the wrong
organ and this might just be a myth.  Does anyone out there know?

-- 
Jeffrey H. Miller     smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov
Sverdrup Technology, NASA Lewis Research Center Group, Cleveland, Ohio

favorite book title: Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Distribution: world
From: assist@ultramac.uucp (Harley Nolan)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 11:40:12 CDT
Subject: Re: Remote Control Extender(tm)

There are some remote control extenders that work well, and some that don't. 
There is one from an outfit in Florida that only works intermittently (i've
tested dozens).  The best I've seen is called a "Powermid".  If you can't find it,
let me know, I can probably point you in the right direction.

H. Nolan (assist@oui.com)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: DISPUTE OVER A BILL WITH SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:52:49 GMT


Let me give you some advice re SF Chronicle/Examiner and their billing
(from someone who would always rather fight than give in):  You can't
fight them.  Do what they say.  Cancel the paper.  Pay the bill.
Absolutely nothing else will work.  This is my experience and the experience
of everyone I know.  Give up.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,athena.misc
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: HELP: how to setup a small corporation/business CHEAP????
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Keywords: help corporation setup cheap
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:49:02 GMT

In article <C0CMzF.LqM@taligent.com> cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.210108.16758@athena.mit.edu> andreast@athena.mit.edu (Andreas Turanski) writes:
>>  I am starting to do some computer consulting and need to start
>>a corporation so that it/I can legally be a reseller and
>>have a Federal tax ID so that I can get things wholesale and w/o tax
>>and resell them and charge tax- oh joy.
>
>If the only reason you want to incorporate is because you're being a
>consultant, the easiest way of all is to not incorporate at all, but
>just operate your business as a sole proprietorship.  For businesses
>like this, a corporation is usually not the way to go.

There is a Problem if you don't incorporate: liability.  Sole Proprietors
are fully liable for any damage done.  If you screw up someone's system,
they *can* sue you, taking your house, car, toilet..

Corporations, although they can be sued, are sheilds for this.  HOWEVER,
this only works if you *treat* it like a corporation.  If a court can
find that you are sufficiently lax in transferring money between the
corporation and yourself, etc, they can rule that your personal assets
can be liquidated to pay a claim.  Tricky stuff.

I just incorporated myself.  For free, except for the state filing fees.
It's super easy.  

--
Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
Project Vincent                                               (515) 294-4994
                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn. 


From: mbuscho@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Michelle Buscho)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:19:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Interstate Bank/S&L Branching Re: Foreign ATM Fees
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

>>Does anyone have the scoop on this?  For a while (since 1935?) banks
>>were not allowed to operate in more than one state.  Citibank recently
>>got some authority to operate in different states (California, Texas,
>>Florida, to name a few) I think in exchange for buying some troubled
>>S&Ls; is this going to eventually lead to a loosening of the original rules?

I used my Citibank ATM card in Arizona at a Citibank branch without any fees
charged (as far as I can remember).  Some banks, like First Interstate, have
advertised for years that your accounts are accessible in several western
states.  I had a former co-worker get a cashiers check from First Interstate in
Oregon before she moved to California (she closed out her account, because she
wasn't sure if there'd be a convenient branch).  When she deposited the check
at the California branch, they put a 15-day hold on it!

>Citibank in California is actually a federal savings bank, formerly
>Citicorp Savings...

and before that it was Fidelity Savings and Loan, which Citibank bailed out.

>...  Maybe the New York one is better,
>but the California one is definitely consumer unfriendly -- $6000
>minimum balance to avoid checking account fees, and low deposit
>interest as well...

I solve that problem by keeping my IRA there (your qualifying balance can be
a combination of all of your accounts).

Michelle "original Fidelity Savings customer"
Newsgroups: Misc.consumers.house,misc.consumers
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Refrigerators
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:24:12 GMT

One thing to look at when shop around is to find out where the compressor
is made. 

Nowadays, even big names such as Whirlpool and Amana etc. use compressors made 
in areas where technologies are far behind the US. I got one of those refrigs
that went busted in four years.

Don't take what the sales person tells you, turn around the refrig and see
the lable on the compressor for yourself.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: laurab@dip.cs.wisc.edu (Laura Berg)
Subject: gelatin pills
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:27:56 GMT

At one time, a few years ago, I used to be able to buy gelatin pills in the
grocery store at a very reasonable price.  (They were right near the jello 
and such.)  At this time, I am unable to find them at a reasonable price or
in a reasonable quantity.  The only place I have been able to find them is 
General Nutrition Cernter (GNC) which sells them for about $6 for 50, which
is much highter than what I used to pay.

I live in the bay area (CA)
Many thanks in advance for any leads, my finger nails thank you too.

Laura
laura@legato.com
From: ajeans@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:28:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Tape rewinder (Re: Tape snapped at beginning of tape)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

>>In some VCRs the tape is in contact with the heads anytime the tape is
>>in the machine, including during rewinding and fast-forward.  I have done
>>repairs on a few VCRs and only 2 of them did not have the tape in
>>contact with the heads during rewinding.
True, but perhaps the tape is not under normal tension when it is being
rewound.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Regular house maintenance tasks
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:16:17 GMT

I'd like to assemble a list of all those house-maintenance tasks you
are supposed to perform at regular intervals (like changing air
filters, oiling the heater blower motor, cleaning the gutters,
inspecting the foundation, etc.).  This list would include anything you
are supposed to do once a year or more often.  Please MAIL me any
entries you can think of for such a list; I'll post the resulting
list.  Thanks!

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "Is this going to be a stand-up fight, or another bug-hunt?"
From: jkeyes@boat.East.Sun.COM (John Keyes - SunSelect Marketing)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Honeywell Electronic Thermostat
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:07:28 GMT
Reply-To: jkeyes@boat.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boat.east.sun.com

In article 1i4t5nINNq4i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:
...
>  reacted accordingly. I think it was a Chronotherm III, or such.
...
>  b) What did you pay for it, and where?

I heat my house with oil from company A.  Two years ago, oil company B
sent me a letter offering me a "free programmable thermostat" and a two
year service contract if I switched to them.  I called company A and
told them that I was going to switch to B because of this.  Company A
said that they'd match this offer plus guarantee that I would not pay
more than $0.89/gallon for my oil for the next year.  I accepted
company A's offer.

Two weeks later they came and installed a Honeywell Chronotherm III
thermostat.  I don't remember which model it is, but it has seperate
weekday/weekend programs, and adaptive recovery.  I have been very
happy with this thermostat, and especially like the adaptive recovery
feature.  The price was right too.

John
jkeyes@East.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house