HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: TRIP REPORT NEW HAMPSHIRE
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center

In article <1992Aug25.202512.24227@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes:
|> 
|> Thanks for the correction.  I believe it was 2-8-0 #501 that
|> I saw.  I haven't got my pictures back yet, which explains
|> my original error.
|> 
|> I find it interesting that you list all the steam locomotives,
|> but do not make any mention of their diesels which are now
|> just as historic.  Could it be that train fans, myself
|> included, are still a bit contemptous of diesels?
|> This is a topic for discussion.  How do fans feel about
|> early diesels preserved by clubs and museums?

My interest in trains lies mainly in steam.  Personally, I feel steam
engines have much more class and character than their diesel counterparts.

I realize that my list shows equipment from many museums which have both
diesels and steam engines and I omit the diesels.  This list started as a
hobby.  Whenever I came across a steam engine location while reading a book
or magazine, I would make a note of it.  I did not do the same with diesels
because they just did not interest me in the same way.

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From: jburrill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Re. Top Ten Shrines ...Western Railroading
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:49:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

One more place that is just a few blocks from where I lived:
Mountain Avenue to City Park in Ft. Collins, Colorado and the Ft. Collins
Municipal Railway Society- Perhaps the finest Birney Car Restoration in 
existence. And you can ride it for just a Buck!

Jim Burrill
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster)
Subject: Re: Trailer Train car lengths
Organization: Eastern & Ohio Railroad Company
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:33:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.204450.28290@twg.com> nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw) writes:

>I happened to notice for the first time today that some Trailer Train flats
>are labelled "Twin 45" on the side. They appear to be able to carry a pair of
>45 foot vans. If this is so then they must be over 100 feet long over the end
>sills. Please, someone who knows the details (the appropriate reporting marks
>were not visible, else I woulda read them) please post the dimensions so I can
>sleep at night.

Actually, I believe (off the top of my head) that the platform is 89'4" 
long. Trailer Train found that by repositioning the hitches, they could fit a
pair of 45' trailers on with a few inches of overhang at the end of the
car. There was an article in Model Railroader a few years back about them,
with dimensions, but I don't have the issue with me, so maybe someone else
can post the exact dimensions. 

The reporting marks for the Twin 45's are TTWX. Hope this helps.

Later,
-Jer
--
Jerry W. Jordak           You're like a dagger and stick me in the heart
a.k.a. Jermaster          And taste the blood from my blade
(jwj2@po.cwru.edu)        And when we sleep would you shelter me
                          In your warm and darkened grave -- Lita Ford
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Death Announcement: SEPTA Trolleys in North Philadelphia
Keywords: trolley, transit, USA
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:32 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Aug28.140638.10895@ryn.mro4.dec.com> pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
|urrrrrmmmm   Is it possible reports of the death are premature?
[...]
|Now, promises have been broken, but its not (on the face of it) "the end".

   But this *is SEPTA, and they've "temporarily" replaced streetcars with
busses before, and then "temporarily" paved over the tracks and ripped out
the overhead.   The only SEPTA promise I caan believe is the physical
reality, and that's why I'm going to Philadelphia on the 5'th to see 'em
before they're gone.


   BTW: What's the best way to get to the lines in question from the Amtrak
station in Philadelphia?

                __
  david parsons \/ "And 10 years down the road, SEPTA will request rafts of
		    money to build brand-new surface only trolleylines"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.models.railroad
From: gfusco@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gene Fusco)
Subject: E44 & E33 drawings wanted
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:27:18 GMT


Well, the subject line says most of what I want.

Ideally, I would like to get a set of line drawings (to any scale) that
show front, rear, top and preferably both sides of the E44 and E33 locos.

I am aware of the drawings that appeared many years ago in one of the model
magazines. What I am looking for will be much more detailed that those
were. 

Please e-mail a description & terms, or potential leads to:

	Gene.Fusco@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM

"Me too" type requests will be honored only if the plans are available
through a commercial establishment or the individual owner(s) explicitly
state they are willing to make their drawings widely available.

Thanks in advance.
From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Washington Metro Unfinished Segments
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:27:03 GMT
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu


The segment of Green line from Ft. Totten to Greenbelt is set to open in  
mid 1993 and is largely completed.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: Could use some help with....
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:37:48 GMT

In article <1SEP199211383963@alpha.sunquest.com> rfj@alpha.sunquest.com (RICHARD F. JONES) writes:
>
>Okay, I admit it.   I don't know a Dash-8 from a rambler but I would 
>like to learn.
>
>Does anyone know of a book or books that show/describe all the major 
>types of engines, past & present, their designators, etc.???  
>


I would recommend the following books from Kalmbach:

The Second Diesel Spotter's Guide
Identifying features and production data of locomotives up to 1973.
Price approx $17.95

The Contemporary Diesel Spotter's Guide
Identifying features and production data of locomotives since 1972.
Price approx $18.95

Diesel Locomotive Rosters: U.S., Canada, Mexico
Rosters for more than 350 railroads.
Price approx $9.95


The third book is useful for confirming the identity of a locomotive
given its roadname and number.  Kind of like peeking at the answer
as you learn to identify different units.


Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: A few interurban questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:19:19 GMT

M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:

>In article <1992Aug24.011145.5059@gw.wmich.edu>

>31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>>There were 2 interurban lines coming south out of Milwaukee, one went right
>>next to the C&NW line(NW in the book I have, I don't think C&NW existed yet
>>in 1928) one goes thru Cudahy. Again, sorry I can't give you any names,
>>the book doesn't list the names of the interurban lines.

>Are you sure?  The only one I know of was the "North Shore Line", the
>Chicago, North Shore and Milwaukee.  If there was another, it must have
>been a suburban route of the Milwaukee Electric.  That company's real
>interurban lines went west and north from Milwaukee.

The TMER&L (*) did indeed have a line that ran south to Racine and Kenosha
in addition to the more noted lines to Hales Corners, Waukesha, etc.  I
don't have my sources handy but recall that the Kenosha line was an early
casualty (depression years, perhaps?) due to the competition from CNS&M,
C&NW, and (to a lesser extent) CMStP&P in the territory.

>Again, the
>definitive answer to all questions about Midwestern interurbans is
>contained in the relevant volume from the CERA.

Quite definitely, although many of the CERA volumes are nearly impossible
to find.  I think the bulletin on the TM falls into this category.  Many
large midwestern university and city libraries have some of these bulletins.

(*)	TMER&L (or TM for short) is the abbreviation for The Milwaukee
	Electric Railway & Light Co.  The odd usage of the word ``the'' in
	the company moniker is somewhat unique.
-- 
Jon Roma
Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet:  roma@uiuc.edu      	UUCP:      uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Belfast and Moose Lake?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:22:46 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Sep3.171431.24696@uwm.edu>
dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen) writes:
 
>
>I was wondering what ever happened to the B&ML railroad that me and a couple
>friends toured last year May after the B&A Centennial trips. They were
>apparently at odds with the real estate interests on the Belfast waterfront.
>
>--
>Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div.
>Internet:dave@uwm.edu, Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
>AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201
 
The Belfast and Moosehead Lake came to some kind of agreement with the City of
Belfast, and has been allowed to continue using their station building.  They
are running daily (I think) tourist trains between Belfast and Brooks.  There
still is no freight handled.  They are going to run all the way to Burnham four
(4) times this year.  On Saturday, 26 September, we (Mass. Bay RR Enthusiasts)
are sponsoring a trip to Burnham with many photo stops, trip brochure, etc.
The railroad will be running on its own to Burnham on the following Sunday,
Monday and Tuesday, but probably in a more "touristy/train robbery" style
whereas our trip (I hope) will be more a true "railfan fantrip" style.  Write
or phone IMMEDIATELY for details.  Phone 617-436-8399 or send $33 per ticket
(plus $6 for a box lunch optional) to Mass Bay RRE Inc., P. O. Box 8136,
Ward Hill MA 01835.  The trip is close to sold out at the present time.
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:40:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Semaphore Signals
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

In rec.railroad, preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser) writes:

> In article <1992Jul29.171008.10089@bony1.bony.com>, billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
> >In article <l7bqk4INNj7@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> blw@majipoor.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
**[Lots of stuff deleted]

> AT&SF has semaphores between Albuquerque and Raton.

I drove out I-40 parallel to this route last summer, and noticed that the 
semaphores all seemed to be pointing "up", while I didn't see a train for at
least 150 miles one day. Does this mean that the "default" position (all
right, I know mixing trains with computer terminology is risky :-) ) when
a train isn't in the block in question is "go"? It seems to me that most
target signal systems display red over red as a default (unless they're
only energized when a train is in either of the contiguous blocks or that
block itself, such as Union Pacific does) unless there's a reason to display
a green, such as a train entering the block. Maybe I was seeing things, but
I'm pretty sure they were all "up" except when I finally saw a train come
flashing through, led by three of those pretty silver and red warbonnet
GP-50s. After seeing that 1st train in 150 miles, we had dinner in a rest
stop right on the NM/Arizona border, and 7 trains rumbled by within 45
minutes, including one with some streamlined business car(s?) at the end,
and just after dark, I THINK an AMTRAK (failing light...).

 
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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Re: Addresses for rail companies
Organization: Echo Beach
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.141922.7368@hubcap.clemson.edu> jtthorp@hubcap.clemson.edu (J. T. Thorpe) writes:
>I'm still trying to get in contact with railroad corporations to find
>out about railroad dispatching.  My professor and I have narrowed our
>focus to "local" companies--Southern, Amtrak, and Norfolk & Southern.
>Can anyone provide us with phone numbers or addresses of these
>railroads?

Your nearest public or university library should have several directories
that list the addresses and phone numbers of many major corporations.
You should be able to look up the address on almost any North American
railroad company in Moody's Transportation Manual.

Reference librarians are very useful people.

>We have been in contact with Amtrak, but Amtrak dispatching is at the
>mercy of whoever owns the control tower & right-of-way.

Not in in Northeast Corridor, which Amtrak owns.

Nigel Allen    nigel.allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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From: CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New Amtrak Routes
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:23:50 GMT
 <1992Aug22.050024.7157@usene
 <1992Aug25.152546.12860@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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Organization: Penn State University


   The address for the Amtrak Report titled "Service to Areas Not Presently
 Served" is:

   Amtrak Public Affairs
   60 Massachusetts Ave. N.E.
   Washington, D.C. 2002
   (202) 906-3860

   The report is 111 pages long. One warning, though. The copy I received a
  couple weeks ago was a photocopy of the original. That's fine, but some of
  the maps in the original were in color. The photocopy is black and white.
  Thus, some maps make reference to a line in red or whatever color and it
  may not be immediately obvious which of several lines the report is
  mentioning.

  craig sanders
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Bay Ridge Line and possibly other NYC lines.
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:25:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.030832.7618@walter.cray.com> rl@ferris.cray.com
(Randy Lambertus) writes:

> On a related note, in an "Equalizer" episode, a clairvoient sees a
>number, and it references a subway car in a boneyard in the NYC area.
> Can anyone describe more details about this boneyard?

Part of the joy of "The Equalizer" for NYC buffs was trying to
identify the many locations in and around the city.  They used the
Columbia Law School building exterior as a corporate headquarters for
one episode.

It's been a while, but I recall that episode, and I think the location
was in the area of the NY Cross Harbor Railroad, in the Bush Terminal
section of the Brooklyn waterfront approximately 36th--60th Streets.
I may be misremembering though.  Were there old warehouse buildings
around?  What I'm more sure of is that it was not a real subway yard.

--Joe Brennan

From: alj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Al Jackson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:25:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Restroom on Amtrak
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

Why am I responding to this subject? Must be cause it's Friday.

I was recently joking with an Amtrak crew chief on the CZ as we backed
into Denver. He said that the Superliner holding tanks in coach
are usually full by Denver heading west and by Salt Lake heading east.
They should only dump above 25 mph, but do dump (not a mist either)
at slower speeds, even when standing. He's seen many boarding passengers
offended by the sight and smell of an auto-dump at small stations.
He's glad that they have to switch off the systems in many towns. He doesn't
expect to see retrofits to totally contained systems soon, if ever.

More important than holding tanks on Superliners, however, is the need to
fix the flushing mechanisms. I have yet to be on a run where at least
a few dumpers weren't bad ordered on the train. They clog very easily.
One trip, all dumpers were down in the entire Oakland section:  the sleeper
and two coaches. I learned to enjoy the good-old men's room in the
crew car (which dumps on the track, like God intended). I don't
know how other passengers coped on that trip.

Re: SlumberSuites - I'll be glad to see them go. They stink and are
falling apart. Perhaps the price of roomettes will go down when
those ClosetCoaches are dropped. 

alj

Question: Are the Viewliner protos still assigned to the Cardinal?
From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: "junk" steam engines in Roanoke?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:18:37 GMT
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center

Someone has brought to my attention the existence of some "junk" steam
engines in Roanoke.  Here is an excerpt of the mail that was sent to me:

[]Do you have the "junk yard" engines in Roanoke?
[]These are a bit off the center of town, literally in a junk yard, visible
[]ONLY from the rail line.  (I can't find my descriptive info, sorry).
[]They were there perhaps 5 years ago (NRHS Convention year, there).
[]Literally have trees growing thru them.

[]The engines i speak of are separate (very....) from the museum.  They
[]were pointed out on one of train tours of Roanoke and mentioned in a
[]descriptive booklet published for that tour.  UNfortunately, my copy
[]has "evaporated".

Does anyone have any further information about these steam engines?

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From: gregb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Greg Brahms)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Portola Backroads in November?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:41:23 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

Hello.

Early November should not be a problem getting around the Sierras,  
especially around the Portola area where the Sierras are not as high
as say, around Yosemite.  *Typically* the real snows don't start until
after Thanksgiving and Portola is only around 5000 feet.  You will be
higher around Tahoe and between Tahoe and Portola.  Once you get into
the Feather River country, Chilcoot will be your highest point, and it
is not much higher than Portola.  From Portola to Sacramento it is all
downhill.

Although the chances are that you will be in good shape regarding snow,
it is always advisable to carry chains in the Sierras.

Good foaming.

Greg Brahms WB6UHH
"I'd rather be riding my speeder."  and I will be this weekend on the
Nevada Northern.:-)
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Maximum age for cars (was Re: Restroom Closings on Amtrak)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:33:53 EDT
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

christo@bcarh803.BNR.CA (Mark Christopher) writes:
> In article <5025@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H
> Lippert) writes:
> [[some stuff about the age of Amfleet cars and cost of retrofitting
> holding tanks on washrooms.]]
> |>Also, most of the cars are nearing the 40-year age... quite a large
> |>number...

AMTRAK has a policy of not handling cars older than
50 years.  This applies to private varnish. One reason is truck
design.  I suppose age itself is another - they don't want to
reduce the spped of the train below track speed to accommodate
antique equipment.

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