HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Looking for intelligent women here in these US)
Subject: Presidents
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:20:51 GMT

I don't care if Bill is president or not, I will still refuse to call him
the President of these United States... A few nights before the election
I heard that Arkansas was at the or near the bottom of the list in many
categories...is this true??? How could it be possibly true that they were
I think 48th on the list of HS graduations?  This man will be in the office
for four years...Let's keep it to the bare minimum...

Best lie:  Interviewer: "You were asked by <soandso> about running for
			 president in 1992...is this true?"
           Bill:        "No...if I am elected govenor of Arkansas I will
			 remain the govenor of Arkansas for four years"
           ---- October 14, 1990 

-MJM
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: Jay.Wise@mail.trincoll.edu
Subject: Re: No Liberals here! (was Re: Hey! Now It's ALL CLINTON's Fault!)
Organization: Trinity College
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:05:58 GMT

In article <1140@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.184827.7666@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
>cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:
>>(1) You never mentioned the word "leftist".  You only wrote about
>>liberals ... but you wrote as if you meant leftist.  McGovern was
>>not leftist, he was liberal.
>>
>>(2) "Leftist" DOES mean "socialist".  Check it out sometime.
>>"Liberal" does not.
>
>Wereever did you get this idea?  From "The Dictionary of Cultural
>Literacy", E. D. Hirsh Jr, J. F. Kett, James Trefil, 1988, page 296:
>
>	Leftist: One who holds a LEFT-WING viewpoint;
>		someone who seeks RADICAL social and
>		economic change in the direction of
>		greater equality.

Thus, the viewpoints of the left wing are not confined to leftists alone. 
Am I right here?


>
>	Left-wing: A discriptive term for LIBERAL, Radical,
>		or revolutionary political views,
>		particularly the view that there are
>		unacceptable social inequalities in the
>		present order of society.  COMMUNISTS and
>		SOCIALISTS, as well as moderate liberals,
>		come under the term Left-wing.  Left-wing
>		groups are sometimes known collectively
>		as the Left.
>
>In other words, McGovern certainly is a leftist (and a liberal -- under
>the modern definition).

Exactly WRONG. Improve your critical reading skills, dolt. Note that left 
wing can describe EITHER liberal, radical or revolutionary political views.
Indeed, "communists and socialsts AS WELL AS MODERATE LIBERALS come under 
the term left wing." (The view that "there are unacceptable social inequalities
in the present order of society," incidentally, can be applied, yes to Goerge
McGovern, as well as with equal facility to that famous left-wing nut Jack
Kemp.) So George McGovern can be on the left-wing, but not be a leftist.


>-- 
>orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
>uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
>

It's always sort of an interesting thing to see someone present evidence 
that directly refutes his main conclusions. Note here that leftist is in no way
synonymous with the phrase "left wing," in the sources mentioned here. One gets
the impression from reading these definitions that a a "leftist" is one who
belongs in the "left-wing," along with others, such as liberals, OR communists,
OR radicals OR Gloria Steinem.
From: perry@bobcat.lmc.edu (James Braxton Perry, II)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Conservative Newspaper
Keywords: news, republican
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:22:22 GMT
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC

The Lees-McRae College Republicans will soon be organizing a newspaper.

We would like to get news from all around America about issues concerning
the Republican movement.

We would especialy like to get articles dealing with Southern and North 
Carolina Politics.

We may post the asci for the paper on this net, who knows?
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Braxton Perry	        No longer on AOL
Lees-McRae College 

To be the best, you have to beat the best (Rick Flair)
  or
Be nice, be very nice, until it's time not to be nice 
					  (Patrick Swayze)

Banner Elk, NC  28604                          perry@bobcat.lmc.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Presidents
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:18:26 GMT

In article <BxuKAt.ME2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Looking for intelligent women here in these US) writes:
>I don't care if Bill is president or not, I will still refuse to call him
>the President of these United States... A few nights before the election
>I heard that Arkansas was at the or near the bottom of the list in many
>categories...is this true??? How could it be possibly true that they were
>I think 48th on the list of HS graduations?  This man will be in the office
>for four years...Let's keep it to the bare minimum...
>

This being a free country, don't call him Prez if you don't
want to.  But if you want to influence others, don't tell them
that it was only in the last days of the campaign that you
heard that tripe about Arkansas.

nm







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From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Not Even Inaugurated, Breaking Promises Already
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:58:13 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:01:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.183136.284@hsh.com> , paul@hsh.com writes:
>criticize him?  We (well, I, at least) promise not to call him all of
the names
>that the left called Bush and Reagan. 

Oh you mean like "ozone" and "bozo" and "feminazi" and .....

Paul, I suggest you stop acting like the name calling was the exclusive
tactic of the democrats.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton
From: larry@boris.webo.dg.com (Larry Rogers)
Subject: Re: Na na, na na na na, Hey hey hey , good bye
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:41:23
Distribution: usa
	<LARRY.92Nov9121509@boris.webo.dg.com>
	<1992Nov11.143230.13630@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Data General, Westboro, Mass.


I am glad to see that you acknowledge my expertise on the issues of
the economy.  Thank you for the complement.

Larry


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The opinions contained herein are my own, and do not reflect the
opinions of Data General or anyone else, but they should.

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From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: No Liberals here! (was Re: Hey! Now It's ALL CLINTON's Fault!)
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:54:05 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA

In article <1992Nov6.184827.7666@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:
>(1) You never mentioned the word "leftist".  You only wrote about
>liberals ... but you wrote as if you meant leftist.  McGovern was
>not leftist, he was liberal.
>
>(2) "Leftist" DOES mean "socialist".  Check it out sometime.
>"Liberal" does not.

Wereever did you get this idea?  From "The Dictionary of Cultural
Literacy", E. D. Hirsh Jr, J. F. Kett, James Trefil, 1988, page 296:

	Leftist: One who holds a LEFT-WING viewpoint;
		someone who seeks RADICAL social and
		economic change in the direction of
		greater equality.

	Left-wing: A discriptive term for LIBERAL, Radical,
		or revolutionary political views,
		particularly the view that there are
		unacceptable social inequalities in the
		present order of society.  COMMUNISTS and
		SOCIALISTS, as well as moderate liberals,
		come under the term Left-wing.  Left-wing
		groups are sometimes known collectively
		as the Left.

In other words, McGovern certainly is a leftist (and a liberal -- under
the modern definition).
-- 
orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
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From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: How times change
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:11:32 GMT

In article <By1DIn.BpI@news.udel.edu> roby@brahms.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>In article <1dbftuINNse3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
>ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:
>> Gee, isn't it strange that when the stock market drops 30 points the
>> day after Clinton is elected we don't hear the "honorable" Clinton
>> forces coming out and saying that business has rejected Bill Clinton.
>
>Well, I read in this group earlier a post from an "honorable" conservative 
>that said the economy is improving "all by itself", now that Clinton is 
>president-elect.  The implication I got was that if the economy improves, 
>it does it on its own and if the economy worsens, its due to Clinton.

To pick up on the condition of the economy thread:
The economy isn't "magically" improving, it's just the business cycle
recovery. It is happening, not all by itself, by thanks in part to
(belated) actions by the Fed of late last year and recently in July.

The startling thing wasn't the change in the economy - it has been
picking up since earlier in the year. It is the change in reporting on
it. The implication, which you seem to have misread, was that the
media's story seemed to change (with the same fundamentals) simply
because the election campaign was over. 

As for the stock market ... a Clinton win was probably already
"discounted" by traders. 

Pat
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Not Even Inaugurated, Breaking Promises Already
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:25:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
=paul@hsh.com writes:
=>criticize him?  We (well, I, at least) promise not to call him all of
=the names
=>that the left called Bush and Reagan. 
=
=Oh you mean like "ozone" and "bozo" and "feminazi" and .....
=
=Paul, I suggest you stop acting like the name calling was the exclusive
=tactic of the democrats.

I don't like the name-calling routine myself. However, I don't see how
the Democrats called Reagan or Bush "ozone" or "feminazi." I do remember
Democrats calling Reagan a "bozo," but that's about it.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	Biomedical Engineering 1993
	Hope you have a very good "Native American Exploitation" Day.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush wins doublespeak award
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:48:31 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <D2150056.j7s2ki@erics.infoserv.com>, erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:
> George Bush won this year's Doublespeak Award, given annually by the
> National Council of Teachers of English for "public figures who have
> perpetrated language that is grossly deceptive, evasive or euphemistic".
> William Lutz, chairman of the council's Doublespeak Committee, cited
> three examples:
> 
> - Bush expressed hope, following the Persian Gulf War, for an end to
> arms proliferation in the Middle East, but then reversed a 25-year policy
> and began spending millions of tax dollars on international weapons
> shows.
> 
> - During Bush's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention
> at Houston, he pledged that "every parent and child should have a real
> choice of schools, public, private, or religious", but Bush's proposed
> $1,000 voucher plan would not be enough to cover tuition for poor children
> and would redistribute tax dollars from public schools that serve the
> poor to private schools with middle- and upper-class pupils.
> 
> - Bush repeatedly charged that Bill Clinton had raised taxes 128 times
> as governor of Arkansas. But even though the charge was disputed by
> the New York Times as full of errors and distortions, the Bush campaign
> continued to use the statistic.
> 
> And what of Quayle? Well, the third-place Doublespeak Award went to
> all politicians who exploited the term "family values" this year.

One wonders if this group pretends to be bipartisan, and thus pointed out 
Clinton/Gore's doublespeak (of which there were garbage-truck loads)... or 
whether the group *is* bipartisan, did devote half a book to it, and you chose
to ignore it. 

Is this 'National Council of Teachers of English' an NEA group?  If so, that 
would make this a rhetorical question.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,sci.astro
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Higgs Spotted? (really about Mars)
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:07:11 CST

In article 1ebjqlINN92@chnews.intel.com, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

...
|Dan Quayle's faith in a wet Mars is on par with your faith
|in a benevolent diety; it's mythical, and not deserving of
|a slot on the "Why We Fly A Man To Mars" decisionmaking
|checklist.
...
|				--Blair
|				  "Yeah.  What he said."




So it's not enough to riddicule Dan Quale, Now you have
to rail against God himself!  


Sheesh!  You must hate all republicans!        ;^)   ;^)    ;^)



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--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
___________________________________________________________________
       Old Sourdoughs never die.  They just ferment away.
From: mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly)
Subject: Bush Administration Shredding Parties?
Organization: Odesta Corporation
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:29:23 GMT

There was a short piece on NPR late last week about a Government
Accountability Project report that large-scale shredding of public
documents was going on in Federal offices in the wake of Bush's
defeat.  The report offered no further information or evidence,
but quoted someone in the Justice Department calling the charges
"laughable."

Anyone laughing?  Anyone got any more info?  
-- 
--
Mike Kelly               Odesta Corporation, Northbrook, Illinois, USA
...!clout!odgate!mike    - Until odesta.com is registered.
odgate!mike@clout.uucp   - From the Internet.
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From: jason@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jason Merrill)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: What is a Conservative?
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:29:08 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <1992Nov15.181951.28129@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>Libertarianism verges into anarchism when pushed to the extreme.
>This is a more rightish flavored anarchism, though.  Do you mean
>the more leftish flavored, socialist/Communist anarchy, then?

What do you mean?  As far as I can tell, all of the Communist governments
over the years have epitomized Big Goverment.  Just how do you get anarchy
under the auspices of a totalitarian regime?  Perhaps Marx's ideal of happy
people working together because they feel like it could be considered
anarchy, but who believes in that anymore?

And anyway, what use are labels like right and left here?  Anarchy is
minimal government, whether you want to label it Liberal or Conservative.

--
Jason Merrill
jason@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: What is a Conservative?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:21:22 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov13.212811.5278@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
>
>I do find the RICO seizures troubling.  I do not find a conflict between 
>being a conservative and taking stands on how societies values should be
>influenced by government. 

    Taking stands is one thing.  Legislating such stands is another, and
definitely not in line with True Conservatism (tm).

>Drugs?  I've been there and I don't agree with you.

    Fine.  You don't agree.  However, this is irrelevant, since an
individual's use of drugs is their business, and to encroach on that
freedom is anti-conservative.  I have never understood the fervor with
which conservatives pursue the fictitious War on Drugs (tm), when I thought
that they stood for less government intrusion into people's lives.

>Abortion is not anti-conservative if you believe in fundamental individual
>rights AND simultaneously believe that the fetus is an individual human.

    But, of course, legislating the latter belief isn't right when there is
so much scientific and societal controversy surrounding it.

>I think that you are taking an anarchist approach to conservatism which
>is not, IMO, the modern definition.  Perhaps modern is the keyword.

    I think that you do not know what "anarchist" means.

-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael J Anthony Maggio)
Subject: Re: Presidents
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:23:39 GMT

cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:

>In article <BxuKAt.ME2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Looking for intelligent women here in these US) writes:
>>I don't care if Bill is president or not, I will still refuse to call him
>>the President of these United States.

>    Well, I'm sure Bill will be just heartbroken to hear this.

>>Best lie:  Interviewer: "You were asked by <soandso> about running for
>>			 president in 1992...is this true?"
>>           Bill:        "No...if I am elected govenor of Arkansas I will
>>			 remain the govenor of Arkansas for four years"
>>           ---- October 14, 1990 

>    Right, he should have refused to run when it became obvious that his
>time had come.  You want much better lies, try "no new taxes", or "Clarence
>Thomas is the best-qualified person for the Supreme Court in the entire
>country - race was not a factor", or any of a bunch more.

>-- 
>   ******************************************************************
>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
>     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 

I don't care if any of you people blast my views or not... I just know
that many people around my village think that Bill is the worst person that
could have ever become president of the US... At least we will accept
Al Gore... he is much better than Bill... I have not heard much about
VP Gore...      I kinda like him better... 
I wish he ran for pres... Id vote for him.

The views expressed above are the views of my family and the people in the
village of Misquamicut, Rhode Island.  If you have anything to add please
do... I would like input on all views and opinions on political topics...

Thank you for your time
MJM


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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Condolences to the Bush family
Summary: Dorothy Bush, President Bush's mother, dies at 91
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:26:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

President Bush's mother died shortly after 5PM Thursday after suffering
a stroke. Dorothy Walker Bush was 91. (It was her father who was George
Herbert Walker, which is something I did not know.) Clinton called and
gave his condolences after Mrs. Bush's death.

According to the NYT News Service, "Bush has described her mother as
instilling in him a sense of competitiveness and of loyalty. Most of
all, he said, she taught him not to take himself too seriously. She was
a disciplinarian who took pains to see that her children were not
spoiled, despite the family's good fortune. Family valued included a
sense of social service and an abhorrence of self-aggrandizement, he
said.
	"Mrs. Bush also reared her children in a strongly religious
home, a reflection of her own childhood during which she is said to have
attended church as many as three times every Sunday."
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	Biomedical Engineering 1993
	THANK GOD IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON!!!!!
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Individual rights Re: Mr. Waffle King
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:53:46 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov13.202727.20339@news.stolaf.edu> kamilewi@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Alex Kamilewicz) writes:
]In article <LARRY.92Nov12142122@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
]>   In article <QKSSB3P6@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:
]>   ]
]>   ]Conservatives give you rights if you are
]>   ]a) wealthy
]>   ]b) Christian 
]>   ]c) white
]>   ]d) heterosexual
]>   ]e) male
]>
]>   vulgar characterizations and mouths them here as gospel. This idiot
]>   probably also is using taxpayer funds to soak up a sorry excuse
]>   for an education at some liberal arts school.
]
]Explain the logic underlying this conclusion.  Also remember you used the
]words "probably" and "liberal arts school."  Are you trying to say that
]liberal arts schools are supported by taxpayers.  THEY pay taxes, you know.

Well, it's more a gripe than a conclusion, but I doubt if its too
far off. Every state university has a liberal arts school. All but one
or two liberal arts schools in the country accept federal aid directly
or through student loans. That's all. I guess I'm also commenting on
what I feel to be the lousy thinking skills that most liberal arts
graduates seem to have learned (or were they set in their ways before
they got there... I don't know).


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