HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Losing faith...
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:41:20 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:

>     I am saddened that GeoWorks seems destined to fail.  If I could make
>one change, I would have them produce an SDK that anyone could use, and market
>it like MicroSoft did the Windows NT SDK, for $69 a copy.  Then, grassroots
>development would prosper, and GeoWorks might attract a larger audience.

Well, the Windows NT SDK is an SDK anyone can use... as long as they have a
machine that costs as much as the two machines [a '386 and an XT] you'd need
to develop for GeoWorks... :)

I don't think grassroots development is an issue when you're writing for a
machine ['486] that only maybe 5% of the market even _has_ so far.  

Since you obviously have a machine capable of running Win 3.1, you're in a far
better position than some of us, who want to develop for Geos, but only have
sub-386 machines.  All you need to do is get a wimpy little XT to test your
programs on.  :)

-shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Forwarded message from AOL
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:15:14 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Jul27.125554.20018@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:

>I received the following e-mail from somebody at America On-Line.  I
>assume it relates to this newsgroup, since I don't know anyone who
>uses AOL.  Does anybody know what the heck he's talking about?

>----- forwarded message begins here -----
>From: <jackhappy@aol.com>
>Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:46:16 EDT
>To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
>Subject: smartdiv & GEOS

>Tell that guy he should use a one meg. smartdrive with GEOS.

>Phil
>----- forwarded message ends here -----

Probably a reply to the "GEOS and disk caches" post of a few days ago. 
Question was whether it helps to define a cache or not.  I had replied that
it seemed to me that caches simply served to exclude the cache memory from
the available memory pool (i.e., I assumed that Geos did some kind of object
cacheing on its own).


>---
>Doug Taylor
>doug-taylor+@osu.edu

>-- 
>   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
>   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
>   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
-- 
Eric Scoles			: <<insert witty, pithy comment 
scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  :    here >>
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Third-Party Support for v2.0 - WHO?
Keywords: Which developers?
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:31:20 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

Does anyone have any solid information as to what developers and/or companies
will be, or are, working on software to run under GEOS v2.0?  From what I've
seen so far, I suspect that Borland probably is, Digital Research might be,
and Microsoft most likely isn't. :)

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: cyj9h@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Charles Yong Choi)
Subject: Re:  How can I get to DOS PROGRAMS?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:40:34 GMT

In article <477@grot.ca41.csd.mot.com> cadence!dbm@uunet.UU.NET (Dave Morris) writes:
>
>The application is called LNCHMAKR.EXE and is available on AOL. The
>application is placed in your \GEOWORKS directory and a launcher ICON
>is placed in your world or sub directory where you like to put your 
>favorit applications.  When you double click the launcher icon, you will
>spawn off a process and a series of questions will be asked of you. The
>name of the icon to use, the icon id, the application name (to appear
>in Geoworks), and the path to the application executable. No batch files
>are allowed - so use of BAT2COM.EXE is required.
>
>Contact me if you need more info ...

 How about uploading both programs to ecst.csuchico.edu?  This sounds
 like a great way to get around the Welcome screen.  Will this work
 with the DRDOS task switcher?


 -charles y. choi
  cyj9h@Virginia.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Microsoft dirty tricks (was Re: The Future....)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:58:06 GMT

In article <5kfm=!k.eclipse@netcom.com> eclipse@netcom.com (Brian McCullough) writes:
>	It is in DRI's best interest to make the attempt, of course, 
>	since it is apparent that Microsoft will go out of its way
>	to do them harm.  The sudden appearance of a compatibility
>	bug in Windows 3.1 just prior to release, and the subsequent
>	embarrassment caused DRI -- whom MS refused to provide with 
>	betas -- is evidence of that.
>
>	(Is this the first time a bug has been used to squash humans?
>	:)

Actually, no.  In fact, it's probably not the first time Microsoft has
(purposely?) made a product incompatible with its rivals' products to
embarrass them or to gain market share.  According to a newly-released
bio of Uncle Bill, there was a motto around the company shortly before
a major DOS release; it was something to the effect of "DOS isn't done
until 1-2-3 won't run."  Of course, Microsoft denies there was any
such motto.

Another example is a Mickey Mouse clock app that had been written for
Window 2.x by a third-party developer.  It seems that if you hit the
right combination of keys, the clock face would transform from Mickey
Mouse to Bill Gates.  Cute, eh?  However, if you tried to run this app
under Win3, it not only wouldn't run, but the app's program file would
be trashed (meaning you couldn't even run it under 2.x any more!).
Microsoft called it a regrettable incompatibility.  Sounds like
revenge to me.

Personally, I am constantly amazed at the Microsoft application
programmers' prowess.  Even though they supposedly have no inside
information about the systems stuff, their apps *always* work with the
new releases of DOS and Windows.  Third-party developers, with
supposedly the same information, are always running into compatibility
problems. :-> :-> :->

Seriously, given Microsoft's apparent willingness to use
guerrilla-style tactics to dominate its rivals, I think it would be
wise of both GeoWorks and DRI to collaborate.
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: magidj@cellbio.duke.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: future/DRI/Microsoft dirty tricks
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:36:36 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center, Dept. of Cell Biology

In article <1992Jul22.191120.23498@nic.unh.edu> rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) writes:
[text deleted]
>Now all we need to do is convince IBM to drop Microsoft and say DR-DOS is the
>'standard' DOS and that PC/GEOS is the favored GUI package. Yeah, that'd really
>stir things up! :)

hmmm... would it?  how much influence does IBM still have in what is 
"standard" in the pc world? the last standard that i remeber big blue announcing
was XGA, which was greeted with a total lack ofattention as far as i could tell.

besides,it would seem that IBM would be rather more likely to call
OS/2 the favored GUI package, wouldn't it?

shoop.
-- 
Jonathan Magid     magidj@marimba.cellbio.duke.edu 
Virtual pizza Delivery (tm)::faxed in 30 cycles or less or you get it
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: screen saver and key-commands
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:58:28 GMT

Is there anyway to activate the GEOS screen-saver with the 
touch of a ky, or sequence of keys?
 
I'd also like to know what other key-commands there are.  The 
ony ones know are F2=Welcome screen and F3=Exit.  And that 
ALT sends you to the command line.
 
Any helpers?
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: future/DRI/Microsoft dirty tricks
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:31:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul22.191120.23498@nic.unh.edu>, rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G T

>Someone mentionned the compatibility problem with the newer releases of
>Windoze, esp that you can't use DR-DOS with them. I've heard from 2 independent
>sources that Microsoft did this on purpose. Someone found the code that checks
>which version of DOS the machine is using and only lets it run under MSDOS, or
>so they say. I seem to recall seeing something like this in a magazine article
>as well. Anyway, it doesn't surprise me.

If the above is true, don't tell my machine.  I am running drdos6.0 and
windows 3.1

George
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: screen saver and key-commands
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:28:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.142828.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>I'd also like to know what other key-commands there are.  The 
>ony ones know are F2=Welcome screen and F3=Exit.  And that 
>ALT sends you to the command line.

You can pick up some more by scanning through the menus.  Here's some
of them:

Restore:  Alt-f5
Move:     Alt-f7
Size:     Alt-f8
Minimize: Alt-f9
Maximize: Alt-f10
Close:    Alt-f4
Copy:     Ctrl-Insert
Cut:      Shift-Delete
Paste:    Shift-Insert

Some of the key commands are app-specific.  For example, f5 means
"Check Spelling" in GeoWrite, but doesn't do anything in GeoComm.

Do y'all think that universal function key assignments such as f3=Exit
will cause problems when, say, WordPerfect comes out with a PC/GEOS
version?
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: shawmd@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael D Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Third-Party Support for v2.0 - WHO?
Keywords: Which developers?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:43:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Jul.21.14.31.19.1992.2879@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
> Does anyone have any solid information as to what developers and/or companies
> will be, or are, working on software to run under GEOS v2.0?  From what I've
> seen so far, I suspect that Borland probably is, Digital Research might be,
> and Microsoft most likely isn't. :)
> 
> -Shag
> -- 
> 
>      Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
> 		- Queensryche

I seem to remember reading somewhere about Fifth Dimension(Mace Utilities -   
People) and the people who made "SuperCalc" considering Geos support but still
haven't heard word one from either of them.  Any more info??

Mike Shaw
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: future/DRI/Microsoft dirty tricks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:02:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.193108.85251@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:
[...]
>If the above is true, don't tell my machine.  I am running drdos6.0 and
>windows 3.1

DR was mostly just delayed in shipping it's update because it took them a
few weeks to get around all of the weird incompatibilities that Microsoft
(allegedly) introduced.

John
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Simtel20 Geoworks Archives..
From: ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Nabil..)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:13:11 GMT



  Good news is really a good news...

 Bad news is really a bad news.. DOn't stop.. this list.. I am biggining to
 gain something.. just now..

 An Idea.. I have problem with contacting FTp sites and simtel20..
 sometimes the Gateway path is lost from my node..

 If it doesn't cost anything to you.. Can you please send All ( or at least)
 the Fonts files for Georworks to me Directly.. I will thank you forever..

 Nabil
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: DOS SDK Available?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:07:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.233100.4048@actrix.gen.nz> Andrew.Merton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>Can Johnor another Geoworker (who speaks for him/herself!) please confirm
>what I just heard? I got a call from the New Zealand distributor saying
>that the DOS SDK is available! He's goingto get more info for me; he didn't
>know pricing or anyfink.
>
>Hope it's true...

The entry in the latest posting of the comp.os.msdos.pcgeos FAQ list is
correct.

Sorry and thanks for being so patient,
					John
					johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: The Future....
From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:39:18 GMT
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <fkdm3n=.eclipse@netcom.com>, eclipse@netcom.com (Brian McCullough) writes:
>Rumor has it that DRI is about to release a windowing GUI / OS pairing of
>their own.  Might that be a byproduct of their close relationship with
>GeoWorks, I hope, I hope?  One thing's certain:  they're cutting their 
>own throats if they base it on GEM!
>-- 
>Brian C. McCullough                                eclipse@netcom.com
>Opinions ventured here are those of myself only.

Do you know any more details?  Is this just (?) a bundling of GEOS/DR-DOS or
somthing completely new?  If it's a by-product of a connection of Geoworks,
will it be compatible with GEOS.  If it is, It would be a great boost, If it
isn't, well......

GEM used to be excellent, but DR just mangled it with Insufficent support,
Multiple, different (slightly incompatable) versions, and general
mis-managment.

How close is the relationship between Geoworks/DRI anyway? 

Lastly, can John (Our man on the inside :-) )  say anything? (without breaking
secrecy, etc.)  Even if it s a catogorical denial, It would at least stop the
rumour.

PS We seem to have s GEOWORKS directory in SIMTEL!!!!!!!, so upload heaps!!

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Andrew.Merton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: DOS SDK Available?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:31:00 GMT
Summary: I've been told it's out... 

Can Johnor another Geoworker (who speaks for him/herself!) please confirm
what I just heard? I got a call from the New Zealand distributor saying
that the DOS SDK is available! He's goingto get more info for me; he didn't
know pricing or anyfink.

Hope it's true...



-- 
andrew.merton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
"The relevant equation is Knowledge = Power = Energy = Mass.  A good bookshop
is a genteel Black Hole that can read."
                      Terry Pratchett, "Guards, Guards!"
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Subject: Disk caches and GEOS
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:49:13 GMT

I know there is stuff in the GEOS manual about not bothering to use smartdrives
and ramdisks, since GEOS does these functions already, but has anyone used 
any of the commercial disk caching packages like FAST! with any results?
I have a chance to get one cheap, but since 80%+ of my PC use is with GEOS, I
was wondering if it would be worth the effort. thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks pro
From: srgxnbs@grace.dsir.govt.nz
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:12:41 +1200
Organization: DSIR, Gracefield, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul22.171903.5757@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
> In article <478@grot.ca41.csd.mot.com> ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Nabil) writes:
> [...]
>> But.. My question is ( before reading the manual )
>> How can I print color documents from Geowrite and w through my
>> Star XB 24-250? ( this printer is not listed in Geoworks pro )
> 
> RTFM.  :-)
> 
>> 2. I am getting some blured stipes suddenly at the top of the screen
>>    suddenly.. ( like a virus Attack ). Though it doesn't cause any problem
>>    What is that and Why is that a bug?
 
if you've got a TSR which displays the time or something automatically at
the top of the screen w/o checking for display modes you can get problems
like this

> 
> I have a similar problem on one of the SVGA graphics adapters that I use
> (there a memory problem in the card that only shows up when the card is
> stressed in graphics modes).  On the other hand, have you checked you
> machine for virii?
> 
> [...]
> 
> Good luck,
> 	John
> 	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
> 
> P.S.	Same ol' disclaimer schme.
-- 
Bruce Spedding - Materials Science and Performance Group
SRGXNBS@GFV.DSIR.GOVT.NZ
Industrial Research Limited                Ph +64 +4 566-6919
 P.O.Box 31310                              Fx +64 +4 566-6004
Lower Hutt, New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Geoworks pro
From: ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Nabil)
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:21:14 GMT



         Hi..
 I have just installed my Copy of Geoworks pro.
 Except for some new demos and tetris.. I could not find any diffrence..
 (Ok.. Network support is new )

 But.. My question is ( before reading the manual )
 How can I print color documents from Geowrite and w through my
 Star XB 24-250? ( this printer is not listed in Geoworks pro )

 2. I am getting some blured stipes suddenly at the top of the screen
    suddenly.. ( like a virus Attack ). Though it doesn't cause any problem
    What is that and Why is that a bug?

 3. Any Idea when they are going to release the SDK? Anything about Pascal
    for GeoWorks?

   Thanks in Advance...  Nabil
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Me too.. Getting Tired..
From: ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Nabil)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:13:25 GMT


Me too getting tired of waiting for SDK.. I am actually looking for it
to develop Arabic Softwares for geoworks which could be markettted
in the MIddle East..

For this reason.. I my self started a campeign here to encourage users to
quit Windows and Go for GeowWorks..
I have even opened a new Conference in my BBS ( Sahara BBS .966-3-8338403)
for geoworks.. and Discussing about Geoworks ability.. Going Well..
I have posted many mails from this list to my BBS too.. Also.. Went little
too far in Posting the Hands on Version of Geopwrks (4disk) in My BBS..
I have purchased both Pros.. for $9.95 and $165.00 ( iguess)
( Am I wrong? )

Now my users are asking .. where are new applications for geoworks..
And I am mouthless to Answer..
Why not geoworks release the SDK.. soon.. Atleast to some extend.... not a comp
lte Set?
Nabil
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 13:14:29 CDT
From: tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: OSF/Motif tell me about it

Could some one tell me more about the Open Software Foundation's Motif GUI
that GeoWorks uses? Specifically, I'm in the process of doing a mock up of
Motif as a GUI for the DOS programs I write as a good exercise while we all
wait for V. 2.0 and the SDK, and what I need to know is who owns Motif?

That is, if I ever come up with anything worth selling, will the nice OSF
lawyers come and sue my socks off? Also are there any places where I might
FTP more information and or tools concerning Motif?

Thanks in advance...tom

thomas mckibben 2   university of illinois at chicago dept. of physics
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BITNET: MCKIBBEN@UICPHY or U51773@UICVM
Internet: u51773@uicvm.uic.edu or tommck@aol.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: New Salvage
Summary: Salvage uploaded to Chico and UTexas
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:56:43 GMT

The latest version of the Salvage program for extracting the data from
PC/GEOS v1.x document files has been uploaded to mir.eco.utexas.edu and
ecst.cshchico.edu.  The file is 'salvage.zip' and contains the BASIC source
code and an executable.  The file was placed into the appropriate incoming
directory at each site so look there if you can't find it.

Don't hurt yourselves and remember to backup your stuff!  :-)

John "Nag, nag, nag" Mitchell
johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Thanks Doug.

P.P.S	This posting is mine.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.

P.P.P.S	The salvage program now has the correct copyright/distribution
	information and disclaimers.  Caveat Usor!  :-)
From: jc70@westend.VI.CMU.EDU (Joo C. Chung)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: The Future....
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:32:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul21.163219.107902
Reply-To: jc70@norman.vi.ri.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul20.223910.2249@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>  writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.165656.346@nic.unh.edu>, rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G  
Tomasso) writes:
> >Great idea. It would seem that all GEOS apps would work normally/better with
> >or without DOS. Not so sure of effects on non-GEOS apps though. Putting all
> >the DOS-type functions into GEOS would make it more of an operating system  
that
> >COULD stand alone. Perhaps the closeness that seems to be emerging with  
DR_DOS
> >could be put to use here???
> >
> You mean persuade DR to write a form of DOS (a DOS emulator??) that runs  
UNDER
> GEOS?  Sounds like a great idea!  That way the dos session would be subject  
to
> GEOS's multi-tasking, and it would be possible to open several sessions  
(memory
> permiting).  To my mind this is a much better solution to the probelem of DOS
> than building it into the OS (OS/2 builds it in I think...?) because It would
> make the system smaller, and those who did not want/need that feature could
> just trash the app.  GEOS might need to have some support added for the 386's
> memory protection in order to prevent badly behaved DOS apps from junking all
> of GEOS.  Once again I wouuld hope this could be done in a way entirely
> invisable to the apps.
> | Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
> |             Windows?  Just say NO!               |

DOS is not built into OS/2. OS/2 has a dos Emulator and DOS can be left out of  
OS/2 if you don't want it. 


Joo.

P.S. Sorry that my followup is not really related to GEOS (I have great respect  
for GEOS. I think it is much better than Windows.) But I did not want to see  
FUD spread.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: OSF/Motif tell me about it
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:43:39 GMT

In article <92204.131429U51773@uicvm.uic.edu> tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Could some one tell me more about the Open Software Foundation's Motif GUI
>that GeoWorks uses? Specifically, I'm in the process of doing a mock up of
>Motif as a GUI for the DOS programs I write as a good exercise while we all
>wait for V. 2.0 and the SDK, and what I need to know is who owns Motif?

There are numerous very large manuals put out by the Open Software
Foundation (OSF) that you should be able to find at a good computer
bookstore.  The OSF is in control of Motif but their licensing terms are
very reasonable.

>That is, if I ever come up with anything worth selling, will the nice OSF
>lawyers come and sue my socks off? Also are there any places where I might
>FTP more information and or tools concerning Motif?

Good question.

Good luck,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Insert standard.employee.disclaimer here.
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