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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: nitromethane/methanol
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:32:27 GMT

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
: 
:  I'm not sure this _quite_ fits the realm of rec.pyro, but I was wondering
: if there is a standard that nitromethane and methanol mixtures have
: concerning the ration of the two. Is there an easy way to find out? I'm
: talking about the kind used in model airplane engines. The bottle that the
: fuel comes in doesn't say. It's made by Cox.

Not really. I have seen mixtures with anywhere from about 5% nitro up to
about 20%. Your supplier ought to be able to tell you the percentages.

Bill
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: CYPRES Prices and Availability
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:47:10 GMT

Reply-to: Frank.Koza@p0.f2.n3634.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Koza)
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 reueFRC> Well. Last Friday I decided I had to buy a CYPRES. Reports  

Is CYPRES a reserve canopy?

More later... Frank

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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Thoughts concerning clouds
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:37:41 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
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Miolnir (miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:

> Not to worry about planes below.  I've only got one jump (soon to be 
> corrected) But I've been flying awhile and ATC doesn't let you 
> anywhere near jump planes. 

 WHAT?? Er, please don't *anybody* believe this for an instant! As has 
 been noted in earlier responses, ATC will sometimes even vector traffic
 over a DZ. Not to mention the fact that in most cases there is no
 requirement for the pilot to be talking to ATC at all!

 ..glen

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From: vannevar@panix.com (Vannevar Yu)
Subject: newbie blues II
Organization: Extinct Flightless Birds Society (c)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:43:05 GMT

Yep, the subject says it all.  I didn't understand Jan Meyer's article/flyer
"Newbie blues" until now, when I am afflicted with such condition.

You're no longer impressed with the thought of dying on THIS jump.  The AFF
course feels like it was 10 years ago instead of last year.  You're somewhat
waiting for the 100 jump mark (note: some call this stage the 25-100 do-or-die)
but not really excited by 'number of jumps' alone.  You want to try RW but
you're not a skygod.  Maybe freestyle?  Style and accuracy?  BASE?  Skysurf?

You're relaxed enough to fart on jump run, to fart in freefall.  But you're
still too 'young' in skydiving experience to do the 'hot stuff'.  You'd like
to learn more, but there's that GAP between one-on-one and 4W.  Worse of all,
you don't have a mentor or mentors.  No Daddy Warbucks to bankroll your bills.

Bartender, another Sterno, please.



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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: How'd he do it?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:23:24 GMT

In article <C1H367.HA3@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>
  glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
> I was watchin' Skyblazin' last night and got mighty confused at one point.
> One of the men's freestyle competitors opened his main with a big puff
> of smoke. The odd thing is that both his hands seem to be above his head
> at the time...he doesn't seem to reach/pull anything. 
>
> My stupid cheapo VCR won't let me view it in slow motion so I'm left
> wondering how the heck he did this...anybody know?

He had a Cyprus loop cutter (I think -- may have been another brand) in his
main container which had been modified for remote operation via radio
trigger.  His cameraman had the trigger unit.  The smoke was just a cup or
so of flour that had been packed in along with the main.  The
amusing/horrifying thing about this is that the footage that you saw on
ESPN is the only jump where all of the technology worked properly.  There
were three attempts prior to that where something went badly wrong.  Once
the foot connection unit didn't disengage properly, (they had a three ring
cutaway backup), and *twice* he had a container lock with the remote unit.
It turns out that they had been tucking the closing flap under the box
holding the electronics, and it was a lot more secure than they had
thought.  There is some footage of him in freefall waiting for the main to
go, (after the button had been pushed!), and realising that it had failed.
He squirms around in the harness for a bit, and manages to twist the
container enough so that the flap lets go.  Scarey stuff, especially from
the point of view of the cameraman who has to get the message across that
the main has failed!  Exotic tech is fun, but be careful y'all!

Blue skies,

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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: 200 way in Myrtle Beach in A&S
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:23:15 GMT

FYI: The 200 way in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina last October was
displayed in a 3/8 page picture in Air & Space Magazine this month.

The caption reads:

	Residents of Myrtle Beach, South Caroline, must have
	thought that Chicken Little was right when this crowd of
	200 broke the old record of a 150-skydiver formation.
	Last October six airplanes carried the jumpers to 18,000
	feet over the beach town for numerous assaults on the
	record.  On the 24th jump, they linked up successfuly.

It was neat to see it in A&S.
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From: horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: ESPN StarBlazin This Saturday - 1/23/93
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:12:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.145702.28864@newsgate.sps.mot.com> beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com writes:
>This Saturday at noon (AZ time) on ESPN, the program StarBlazin
>will air. Supposed to be highlights from the fall Nationals at
>Eloy, AZ. Get your VCR's ready....

I thought it was called SkyBlazin' 92 and it was supposed to be ESPN's
coverage of the freestyle competition, not Nationals (both of which were held
at the same time and the same place).

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From: villano_d@sol.rtsg.mot.com (villano_d)
Subject: Re: Out of Jail
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:33:21 GMT

You  know I never really officially got an FB number ,having made many
jumps with alot of FB's .at the time it wasnt really to important, but
now Iam sorry I never really got an official number. What were the 
requirements I can't seem to recall.

PS  I do have a SMB .

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From: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Subject: I Witness Video
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:31:20 GMT

Did you see NBC I Witness Video this Sunday evening?  They had a
lengthy (something like 15 minutes or more) episode on freestyle
skydiving, including several clips from From Wings Came Flight,
Travelling II, and quite a bit from SkyBlazin '92.  Quite a few big
name skydivers showed up in interviews.  Overall I thought it was very
well composed and very positive to the image of the sports.

	-Hiroto

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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Re: Your Company
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:55:36 GMT

Mark Smith (mark@vti.com) wrote:
: SKYDIVE (ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE) wrote:
: : I noticed you work for the Virtual Corp. Is that the software company
: : that makes "Virtus Walk Thru". 
: 
: No.
: 
: I don't know exactly how your fidonet connection works, but generally you
: would probably want to "email" this kind of note directly to me instead of
: "posting" it to the entire known universe through the internet.  Do you have
: a direct email address? (I don't think ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE
: is it).
: 
: You may send email directly to me using you-internet-gate-way!vti.com!mark
: --

On the FidoNet side of things this looks like all the other message areas on
the BBS.  People who post on the FidoNet BBSes generally have no easy way
of addressing personal mail to Usenet recipients.  As a result, you'll
occassionally see messages posted that should have been sent through private
email.  

I am the moderator of the SKYDIVE group on the FidoNet side.  All of 
the gating to FidoNet is directed through the FidoNet<->Usenet gateway 
which I operate. It's not an ideal situation, but at least it opens up a 
channel of communication between the have's and the have-not's :)  
Since the systems in FidoNet are generally less strictly controlled than 
Usenet systems, it is necessary  for the Usenet readers to be a little 
more tolerant than usual of minor breaches of Usenet etiquette.  You can
flame me for posting the article you referred to above; I looks like I should
have zapped it before it got through ... ah well ... everyone goes low 
occassionally :):)

You may want to note for future reference that all the traffic from FidoNet 
has a Reply-To: line that *does* contain the FidoNet poster's internet address.
This is not the same address that appears in the actual header (I am working
on correcting this), so you cannot auto-reply.  Look for the address listed
on the Reply-to: line *in the message text* next time and you'll see the
poster's FidoNet address.

Hope this helps...

Blue Skies,
Hector Mandel, C-20629
Moderator, FidoNet SKYDIVE echo
From: pgilliland@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: group RENAME
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:30:52 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

RE. rec.outdoor.skydiving


	If your not out the door when your skydiving you're either dreaming
or in a wind tunnel!  Maybe this makes more sense than it first appears ;-)


DOOR!...is not a four letter word!

Peter Gilliland
Systems Services Branch
Ministry of Environment, B.C.
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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: CYPRES
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:06:43 GMT

I have been monitoring the discussion on "godness" in refence to Tom Piras.
I have met Tom many times.  I hosted the world's first 100 way boogie in
Vancouver that Tom, Rob Laidlaw and BJ Worth organized.  At the risk of being
severley flamed by god-struck netters I would like to post my observations.

1) No one can dispute Tom Piras' skydiving skills.  His dedication to his
sport is evident in the National and World medals he has received and the
number of world records he was on. (I point out it takes many more than one
person to do any RW (oops! Formation Flying) and especially the large
formations that constitute the last few records.)  I needn't belabor this
point.

2) A person's success is often directly related to the number of peers that
have less than good to say about the person.  In Tom's case the number of
complaints about him indicate he was one of the world's best.
3) I don't care if someone is the Queen of England there are certain rules of
conduct that all human beings should follow. (Insert your rules of conduct
here!)  Tom was an excellent skydiver but in the last 6 years or so I have
not heard of him spending time with newbies other than when paid by said
newbie or a DZO looking to promote his/her drop zone.

4)  Tom was chastised and placed on probation for activities at the World
meet that not only put the USA in an embarassing light but skydiving in
general.  Details are not pertinent to this discussion.

5)  Last but certainly not least, Tom was a human being.  As such he was
subject to many of the failings that we all face.  His ego was the biggest.
Tom was good and he knew it.  I personally believe that being cool was the
reason behind no helmut/frap hat and turning off his Cypres.  I can conceive
of no situation that required him to leave the hat behind and turn off his
AAD.  (The Golden Knights, who hold more RW medals than any other team in
history, do a training camp in Vancouver every year.  These guys are class,
they all wear frap hats and are strong advocates of AADs.)

        In closing Tom Piras was a skygod, in the good and the bad definition
of the term.  My dealings with him left me sour on him as a human being
without detracting from my respect for his skydiving

Bobby Magee
D-371
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca

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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: Porter (was: Re: Pull time "safety")
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:11:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.132137.13621@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:


   Just thought I'd mention that The Herd's Porter really did
   arrive this year and really does work.  Honest.  It's not
   just a joke anymore.  They really do have one.  I've seen
   it.  It flies.


Hmm. Unless they've improved it, it takes 30-35 minutes to alititude...

We brought it over to our DZ (JT Willies/MonYough skydivers) a few
months ago... not very quick to alititude... and that was with only 9+pilot
in the plane...

However, it still beats a Cessna!

Barry

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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: BASE info.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:26:00 GMT

Reply-to: Bret.Shuman@p0.f6.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Bret Shuman)
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From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Q: AFF safety
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:31:44 GMT
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture


In article <5062@svin09.info.win.tue.nl>, javhar@wsinfo01.win.tue.nl (Jack v Rijswijck) writes:
|>Could anyone give me more info about the AFF method? I've read the FAQ but I've
|>also been told that this is a very dangerous method and outlawed in most
|>states. Is it? At which sites can I do this AFF method if it isn't?
|>I'm looking for dropzones in the Fargo (ND) area, specifically Sauk Centre.
|>
|>Please email me if you can give me any information. Thanx!
|>
|>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|>|         Jack van Rijswijck                javhar@win.tue.nl          |
|>|         Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands          |

Yikes!  Who gave you that sort of nonsense misinformation?

The safety record of AFF is extremely good, and as a training method it
seems to work quite well.  I've never heard of it being outlawed anywhere
(except perhaps Britain, but then again don't they still require first
jumps to be made with rounds there?).  Having gone through it myself
1.5 years ago, I'd definitely recommend it to anyone.

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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: A new addition to the Echo
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:02:30 GMT

Reply-to: Michael.Sanders@p0.f461.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Sanders)
Fido-To: all

The Drop Zone BBS in Rockville, MD, has joined the echo.  While I, personally, haven't made a jump in about 4 years (I have plans to start again this year - New Year's Resolution, don't you know!) I hope that some of the people here in my area who jump and compute hear about the echo.

Mike Sanders
C-17186


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From: jkearns@encore.com (Jim Kearns)
Subject: Re: Z-Hills, Wind Tunnels
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:33:45 GMT

vannevar@panix.com (Vannevar Yu) writes:

>WIND TUNNELS - can live with them, can live without them?
>I got a chance to 'sneak preview' a wind tunnel project being built by
>Frank Arenas (who is also an engineer) at SDC.  We're talking about a
>mondo electric motor, customized prop, variable control, ... the works.
>I was hoping to check this electric tunnel out while I was there, but it
>was still being assembled.  This is supposed to be a 'no baggy suit needed'
>tunnel for skydiving instruction only (no whuffos).  Can't wait!
>Phoenix has its outdoor tunnel on display by the bypass, but it hasn't blown
>air yet (for paying skyleapers) by the time I left.  Talked to Reddy Redfern
>about it and he seems to be positive about it.  The Phoenix tunnel runs on
>diesel and has the corresponding noise and heat, but they'll work it out
>with the city.
>A flyer was tacked on the wall of SDC manifest advertising a wind tunnel in
>Kissemmee (sp?) FL, but I don't know if this is a 'baggy suit required'
>tunnel or if it runs on electric or diesel or leftover DZ liquor =).

The one at Kissimee is called the American Dream Flying Machine and in 
my opinion it's not worth it unless you are really desperate.  The price
is outrageous, $24 for a little over 2 minutes of flying time, twice the
price at Pigeon Forge.  When I was there, there were a bunch of skydivers 
from Deland who had gotten a special deal of $20, but his advertised
price is $24.  

It's your basic outdoor, diesel driven prop setup, about 1200 hp I'm
told.  The airspeed was rather slow, typical of outdoor rigs with no
recirc capability.  Also it was very uneven and felt downright mushy in
places.  Still, it was moving air and you could fly in it, it's just
not as much fun as it could be.

Jim
jkearns@encore.com
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Miolnir)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Thoughts concerning clouds
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:42:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <BELBOZ.93Jan18161602@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu> belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.152634.11468@newsgate.sps.mot.com> beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel) writes:
>
>   My second jump however was from 10,000. The ceiling was still near 
>   5000, although spotty. On the way up between 5000 and 8000 we could 
>   see the target from time to time. After 8500 we were completely socked
>   in.
>
>
>How was he getting position? Prob. not totally wise in any case.
>However, having jumped over Marana a few time (~30), you'd have to be
>truly in never-never land to actually jump over somewhere you couldn't
>land. 
>
>   The DZ operates all aircraft on a special transponder frequency so traffic
>   from Tuscon, into Avra Valley or Pinal, etc. can be monitored. 
>
>If he was on GPS/Loran then you were only really risking hitting
>another plane below you, because you can't ever know for sure there
>isn't anything below you... perhaps an IFR flight in the clouds
>heading into Tuscon...
>
>(Please correct me, Pilot-gods which may be reading.)
>
Not to worry about planes below.  I've only got one jump (soon to be 
corrected) But I've been flying awhile and ATC doesn't let you 
anywhere near jump planes.  As for position info your pilot could
have had gps or loran, but most likely he had either VOR/DME or 
dual VOR's, both pretty accurate.  Hope it reassures some people.

miolnir


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From: WALKERK@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com ('Kent Walker')
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Organization: Space Systems/Loral, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:41:05 GMT
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In <1993Jan21.153202.17819@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

> In article <1jledoINNdju@shelley.u.washington.edu> miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Miolnir) writes:
> >The only reg I see in the FAR's that actually applies to the jumper
> >says that you can't throw anything out of the plane unless "reasonable
> >precautions" are taken to prevent damage to persons or property on the
> >ground.  
> 
> What about the part that specifies clearance from clouds?  I think it's part
> 105.  Somewhere in there it says: if you're jumping from <10k' MSL you have to
> have 500' horizontal clearance from clouds, you must be at least 1000' above
> any clouds and at least 500' below any clouds (I'm not sure I remember the
> numbers correctly).  
> 
Hmmmm.... Isn't the "Cloud Question" on the USPA license exams anymore?  I seem
to recall it being asked on every test, A through D.

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From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu (Brandon France)
Subject: CRW Question
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:07:17 GMT

I was looking through my January issue of Parachutist and noticed that
in the picture of Zen CRW on pg 31 (I think) something looked odd about
the way their chutes were deploying. It seemed to me that they didn't
pack their main into a bag.  Is this right?  We don't have many CRW 
people up here and I've never watched a CRW competition so I don't have
anything to go on.  Is it common for CRW jumpers to pack this way?  Is it
safe?  Is the parachute itself designed to be packed this way?

Brandon France