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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: India Ink for black tattoos?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 03:33:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu () says:

>My tattooist used black India ink for my tattoo....does anyone
>have any experience with fading with this type of ink?  I heard
>that there are new kinds of ink nowadays that resist fading.
>Does anyone know if India ink is commonly used for black tattooes?

As I understand it India ink is basically carbon (ash) suspended in
water. The way Cliff Raven explained it to me when he was doing
blackwork on me, the use of ash for tattooing goes back to the
earliest tattoos...caveman jabs himself with wood from the fire, jab
leaves permament mark under the skin, caveman has his first tattoo.

-- 
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." Dan Quayle to Jenny Craig

STEVE SCHOCHET\af244@cleveland.freenet.edu\af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: When can you have a nipple pierce stretched?
From: jmeyers@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Jim)
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:04:41 -0600
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov20.175433.5713@ctp.com>, ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi y'all... I got my nipples pierced at Gauntlet NYC about 1.5 months ago
> (14ga niobium), and at some point want to move up to a thicker ring
> (probably 12ga -- 10ga is a bit bigger than I want right now). The question
> is -- when is the best time to do this? I'm assuming not anytime in the
> next six months or so (considering my pierces are still healing somewhat),
> so a) when is best, and b) if there's no set time, how do you know?
> 
> Also, what are the stretching techniques? Is it similar to getting a new
> pierce from scratch, or is it just squeezing a too-big ring into a
> too-small hole?
> 
> Just curious... adTHANKSvance --Erik
> 

A technique I found very effective is to use knitting needles of
progressively
larger diameter.  The ends are tapered, they are inexpensive, and you can
cut them to any length you desire.  After waiting for the original piercing
to heal completely, I began the enlarging process by softening the flesh 
through soaking, and by sterilizing and then lubricating the knitting
needle
with a bacterial ointment.  Sometimes I left the needle in during the new
healing and enlarging process, in order to save on the cost of new jewelry.
(I cut the needle to a size that wouldn't protrude very far from either
side of
the nipple.)  Sometimes I inserted new jewelry, just a tad smaller than the

diameter of the needle used to do the stretching.

In this way, I enlarged my nipple piercings from 12 gague to 2 gague.  I
quit
the process at that point, because the jewelry got too heavy for permanent
wear.  I should add that enlarging the diameter of the piercing also
enlarges
the size of the nipple.  I have since left the piercings heal over, but the
size of my nipples has greatly increased.

Jim
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Tattoo in Waterloo, ONT
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:37:23 GMT

In article <BxzqM6.5AA@mach1.wlu.ca> jcarr4@mach1.wlu.ca (judy carr 9207 U)  
writes:
>
>Hello all.  I have been reading this group for several months ...
>tattoo, a small grey cat on the front of my right ankle.
cats are very nice, i've toyed with taking an henri rousseau and adapting
it to have the faces of the cats in my life peek out
from bushes

>... In fact, there has been little information
>on ANY establishments in Ontario.  Hence, the reason for this post.....

hmmm, well the FAQ lists some T.O and some London spots, i know, Paul put them 
there for me :)  but Tattoo Art is not known to me, thanks for the information.

>To provide a little of this information for other readers! 
>
>Yesterday, I left Tattoo Art with the most *incredible* natural high
>I've ever experienced!  Everything about my visit was spectacular!  
>The staff is very professional, yet extremely friendly and helpful. 
>On the back of the release form, the needle-cleaning process they use 
>is described *in detail* 

a lot of places break the needles right in front of you. my friend mike
neiderman has nearly every needle used on himself -- quite a collection.

>Although I don't know much about 'good' or 'bad' tattoos, I believe
>mine are very well done!  The lines are even and seem to connect 
>properly and all of my friends are amazed at the fine detail and how
>bright the colours are!  (Aren't these the things that make a tattoo
>'good'?)

yes, and lasting power, and artistic ability. sounds like you got good 
work, if you're ever in London, give me a call, we can compare cats and
celtic blackwork (and i can show you what a BAD tattoo looks like for
future reference :-( )

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: +1 519 663 3789                P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108          London, Canada N6A 5K8
Very limited offer: collect your own set of tectonic plates. -- Dan Edwards
From: cds@ossi.com (Chris Seabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: New Studio, Santa Clara, CA
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:43:58 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: foucault.ossi.com
Summary: A new studio for an established artist
Keywords: recommendation

Lily (?sp) who has been working Sundays at Ricky's on Alameda has just opened
her own studio in Santa Clara. It's on the east side of El Camino Real on the
block south of San Tomas, is called Lady Dragon Tatoo and is very noticable
due to a green and purple neon sign (which Lily is very proud of). As I
understand it Ricky is her father, hence her work on Alameda until recently.

I've just had a water dragon done on my right upper arm, Lily did the black
outline when I visited Rickys 3 weeks ago and I went to her new studio for
colouring last week. Her brother (whos name I have temporarily forgotten) did
the colouring. I gave himn a fairly free hand with the colour scheme and the
result is beautiful.

The new studio is light and pleasant, they are both very friendly and good
artists working mostly in the oriental style. They did a superb job with my
dragon, and I thouroughly recommend them (we now have four pieces of their
work in the household !).

Email me if you need the phone number or the exact address.

Chris
-- 
Chris Seabrook			cds@ossi.com

Per saltire gules and Or, a sun counterchanged.
From: 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: How old is Tattooing/Iceman's age?
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:01:47 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

According to Time mag, the Iceman (and thus his tattoos) are 5800 years old.

Interestingly enough, the placement of his ink is such that they would not

normally be visible to others.  What this infers is that they had some 

PERSONAL meaning to the man himself, rather than to signify something to 

others.  Just something to keep in mind when you are preparing to flame

someone's opinion. :)		J.C. Anderson
From: cas@po.CWRU.Edu (Christine A. Schragal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Piercing
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: cas@po.CWRU.Edu (Christine A. Schragal)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone out there know if there's any danger involved if I decide to
have a third set of piercings done on my ear (most likely involving
cartiladge)?  Please let me know, and also if anyone has info on shops
in the Cleveland area which would do this for me?  I understand that the
mall stores shy away from anything beyond two holes.

Please e-mail if possible, since I'm not always able to get on this board...

Thanks!!!
From: martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ok)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Adult circumcision
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:41:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.83884
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


such usefulness of foreskin is just fine, perhaps for men, or for other women,
but is it unnatural selection, or somehow otherwise bad if some women prefer
the circumsized male form?  badly done chops would of course invoke empathy--
most women would sudder at the thought of a like operation being performed on
them at birth: much smaller subjectmatter, much greater risk of mutilation.

but if some women prefer to find there mates streamlined, could that be an
acceptable road for our evolution to take?

many women have a onetime loss of skin/cause for scarring...and a strange (to 
me) number of women would like their hymen replaced/restored, which seems like
an equivalent wish for replaced foreskin.  I mean, once it's gone, does life
have to center on that little bit of flesh?  are there no better bits to worry
about?

Anyone who has lost their foreskin and wishes to reclaim it should try as much
as possible, but if something about female anatomy leads some men to be gay,
please allow me to find something about some male anatomy that would lead me
to circumsized men...

martini
(found in some circles under the name Sheilagh, including familial circles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: osiris@athena.mit.edu (Marcel Bruchez Jr.)
Subject: Re: When can you have a nipple pierce stretched?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:46:28 GMT

ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) asks
>Also, what are the stretching techniques? Is it similar to getting a new
>pierce from scratch, or is it just squeezing a too-big ring into a
>too-small hole

Well, my piercer said that if I ever wanted to move up in gauge(I started with
12 ga, emminently "playable") that the easiest way was to either squeeze
another ring in behind the one I have in (like a 16 ga or smaller) or to get a
stretcher.  I guess that the stretcher was something that got thicker along
the length, so that as you keep it tight by turning, it stretches.  This is
more of a gradual process, and it is not unheard of to force a too big ring
into a too small hole without any difficulty (for evidence, the 14 ga nosering
that started as a stud, and the 16 ga tragus that also started as a stud).
When I have done this, I did it before they were totally healed, and had
relatively littlt problem with them. 

I wonder, does anyone know what the gauge is on a regular mall-type piercing
stud?  

-Marcel 
osiris@athena.mit.edu
 
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Jon Shaw
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:15:47 GMT


My lover and I are about to get inked (again) and
he is specifically interested in a mostly-black
piece.  We were going to go to Jon Shaw at Fun
City in NYC but the guy wants a $50 deposit just
to talk to you!  I've seen some of his stuff that
I like and some that I don't - anyone have any
comments?

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: chachra@ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA Debbie)
Subject: Re: When can you have a nipple pierce stretched?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:09:09 GMT

>
>I wonder, does anyone know what the gauge is on a regular mall-type piercing
>stud?  
>
>-Marcel 
>osiris@athena.mit.edu
> 
Eyeballing one and comparing it to the ring on my nipple retainer, I'd say
20 ga -  considerably thicker than the post on the average earring.


Debbie Chachra
chachra@ecf.utoronto.ca

"Lord, give me chastity and constancy, but not yet!"
   
                                                 - (St.) Augustine



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From: alewis@lynx.coe.northeastern.edu (Drew Lewis)
Subject: Re: Tattooeist in Providence, RI?
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:39:38 GMT

From what I've heard, the places in RI are REALLY bad....
and the ones in New Hampshire aren't much better.

I can give you some info on an underground artist in Boston though...
she did good work on me.
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: A Marilyn Hacker poem...
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:23:15 GMT



Orpheus and animus,
drawing back to journeys now,
leaving me on shores behind
streets and shutters of the mind
as a new October streaks
dry hollows underneath our cheeks:
all that I have learned from you,
al that I have failed to learn,
I will order up again
with an overcautious pen,
making models, giving names
(nothing ever stays the same),
initiate the change that moves
the peripheries of love.

		 - from "The Navigators", collected in Presentation
			Piece, p. 30, Marilyn Hacker


-- 
More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads.  One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness.  The other to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
						 - Woody Allen
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Miester aLster)
Subject: walking along a moonlit shore..
Reply-To: bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:07:52 GMT

i go on f
         a
          l
	 l
          i
  	 n
	  g....

more and some more 
like grains of sand
on some deserted beach
and a moonlit shore
that we walk across hand in hand
    
- aL
  11/19/92
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: PROWSE@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Natalie)
Subject: 18-year-old's moral dilemma / Natalie
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:39:06 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada



		18-year-old's moral dilemma
		-------------------------------------------------------------

		
		she stands there in his room.
		facing him.
		(not a boy. he's 23. a man.)
		the door is closed.
		(how did i get in here?)
		she holds a housecoat in one hand.
		(where did it come from?)
		
		she suddenly feels
		much more sober.
		(i guess the party's over.)

		he looks at her with
		lust-filled eyes.
		a mirror of her own desires.
		uncertain of what to do
		she wonders. ponders.
		that age-old question:
		(should i pretend i'm a virgin,
		or show him a good time?)

		
			-Natalie  /  November 20, 1992


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(prowse@meena.cc.uregina.ca   |	"I wonder if you think about me,
		              |	 Once upon a time, in your wildest dreams."
			      |					-Moody Blues
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From: wkinman@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Warren Michael Kinman)
Subject: Warren - The Beach 
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:02:44 GMT

THE BEACH
=========

The grayness of evening
Descended upon the beach,
The waves were lapping 
At the shore,
As we sat,
Just out of their reach.

The pale rays of sunset
Stretched out to dance 
Upon the sand,
As we talked,
And as we walked,
Hand in hand;
And told each other stories,
Of long-forgotten times,
And ill-remembered wastelands.

We talked and laughed
Until morning,
And as the bright rays
Of the sun
Enveloped our bodies,
In an aura of love,
The waves just lapped 
At our feet,
And we lay together,
Just out of their reach.


==============================
W.M.Kinman  (c)  5th Oct. 1988
The Poet-Tree
==============================
From: ch526@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Les Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: MAN (Poem)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:21:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


MAN

Today presents the existing man
In the morning of his life
And a purpose most precise

His failures count his tries
His efforts show surprise

Both heaven and earth
Measure the worth
Of the ever present man..
--------------------------------------------------
All comments, opinions and advise will be gratefully accepted...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: the Realm's Defender, absent
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:28:37 GMT

In article <7065@news.duke.edu>, jtrue@acpub.duke.edu (jtrue) writes:
> To those r.a.p.pers whom it may concern: our Valiant Defender Posthumous O'
> Toole has informed me that His newsfeed will be down for at least a week 
> (starting yesterday, I believe) and He will be unable to be with us here
until
> it is back.  Those of you who wish Him to see (and/or lay hands on) any
> material you post here are instructed to e-mail such material to His
> Gingerness/Turtleness/Greyness Himself and you will receive His Audience.
> In the meantime Posthumous sends His poetic regards to us denizens of the
> Realm in the form of the following poem:

There's something rather sweet about all those capital letters, but if 
jtrue had really wanted donz to get mail, he would have included his
email address, I think.  ;)


Marie Coffin


Ok, here's a poem.


	The Telephone Pill
	--------------------------------------------------------

	It's after midnight and I cannot sleep
	again.
	Somewhere in my brain Anne Sexton's bird
	is keeping me awake
	and I remember
	that every woman you've ever known is still
	from your point of view
	your friend.
	There is no bitterness in you
	and tonight I am especially glad of this.

	I hope that years from now
	or maybe months or weeks
	when you and I have outlived this love
	I can still call in the cold hours and say
	Hi... it's me... I couldn't sleep
	and your voice, my first and last seducer,
	will speak its hesitant hellos
	and beckon me to the dark
	curtained room in the back
	where sleep, my elusive friend,
	awaits. 


Marie Coffin
May 12, 1992
From: wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Urdu Ignorance (part II)
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:51:25 GMT
Reply-To: wachtel@canon.co.uk
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:

> 
> The business of the poet is Truth, not understanding.

the business of the poet is poetry. maybe almost.

-- 

Tom Wachtel (wachtel@canon.co.uk)
From: nikolay@husc8.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: constructive criticism for Doug and Dinosauria
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:19:45 GMT
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of Sun, 15 Nov 1992 03:53:13 GMT

daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:

> In rec.arts.poems, nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
> writes:

PN
>>Time for some truly constructive criticism, addressed especially to
>>Class Dinosauria and Doug Quarnstrom, who have expressed identical
>>sentiments concerning the perennial conflict between poet and
>>critic.

DQ
> The first thing you have done is to make it clear that you have not
> even grasped my sentiments about the conflict between poet and
> critic, 

That remains to be demonstrated.

PN
> and I use the word critic quite loosely when applying it to
> you.

I know. I also know that you use the word poet equally loosely when
applying it to yourself.

PN
>> I simply ask the author of the cited poem to consider my humbly
>>offered emendations; and I urge Doug to learn this text by heart, so
>>that it may facilitate his untiring quest for a true identity.

DQ
> I have not heart, and I have all the identity that I need, 

The problem with irresponsible protean little farts like you, Doug,
is that you don't bother if you contradict your previous statements,
rejoicing in the variegated chameleonicity of your public personas.
Are you capable of maintaining a consistent self?

DQ
> although
> I will glance at your words to see if you have managed to become
> amusing.

>>jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria) writes:

CD
>>> 	Hurt Feelings...

>>> 	The slipping waste of wounded pride 	Oozing and dripping
>>> from every pore, 	Converging streams into waxing tide 	Leaves
>>> an empty shell, a hollow core.

PN
>>Miasmas of romanticism well up inside and cause the flow of
>>uncontrolled hubristic jism, with an ecstatic afterglow.

DQ
> I must admit, I find this amusing.  Well done.

CD
>>> 	Lonely, melting into sordid pool, 	Who was once a man is
>>> now a fool.  	Slunk far beneath the height of man, 	It
>>> wipes its tears with a muddied hand.

PN
>>But soon, reduced to fetid turds, cast from the very heights they
>>prized, a cesspoolfull of scribbling nerds bewail their being
>>criticised.

DQ
> Very good.  I nearly laughed at this one.  You are improving.  I am
> not at all sure that the heights are to be prized.  I fully expect
> that there would be too many gentlemen like yourself hanging around
> wishing they had the courage to suggest buggery.

In case you haven't yet figured that out yourself, I am
not concerned with buggery, but with poetry.

CD
>>>
>>> ***************************************************************************
>>> This one's for all the poor souls who've out here who've been
>>> criticised without mercy!!!  (even when we ask for it!)  :)

PN
>>Feel free to ask for it any time.

DQ
> There may be hope for you yet Niko.

> doug

Philip Nikolayev
nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
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From: newbeb@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Brian Samuel Newberry)
Subject: Grandpa
Reply-To: newbeb@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:29:26 GMT


This was read at my great grandfather's funeral, and its one of my favorite works. I didn't write it and the author is unknown to me. I call it Grandpa.

			Grandpa

There's a sweetness that comes with the weight of the years
And a vision that's wise in it's view
And the soul grows contented and void of all fears,
When the last fading sunset is due.
Thoughts of days that are past grow much sweeter as we
Plod down the last final row,
And the Great Resting Place is so near we can see
All the faces we once used to know.

Scenes of loved ones and friends live again, and the sigh
Brings a warmth to the heart and soul,
And we lose every doubt, every fear of the night
When we know we are nearing our goal.
Happiness lies ahead as we round the last bend,
And we tire of the human routine,
And we do not regret that were nearing the end,
For the pastures are waving and green.

All of our dreams merge together, and burst into one,
And the picture is vast and sublime,
While our soul seems to hunger when it is done,
And there'll be no more ending of time.
Every dream we have dreamed in the years gone before
Waits the moment we'll greet them again,
Where the sun never sets, where we'll live evermore,
Without trouble or sorrow or pain.

When the last closing scene stares us straight in the face,
And the last curtains darken the hall,
We are happy at last, to be taking our place
Where no sin or harm can befall.
Peace of mind is complete, all the world is a dream,
And a memory of things that are gone,
And existance ebbs slowly, and life's little beam
Is prepared for the Beautiful Dawn.


"We have loved the stars to dearly to be fearful of
   the night."
		-Tombstone epitatath of two amateur astronomers
		 Quoted from Cosmos, by Carl Sagan