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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:59:44 EDT
Reply-To:     Ioanis Nikolaidis <nikolaid@CC.GATECH.EDU>
From:         Ioanis Nikolaidis <nikolaid@CC.GATECH.EDU>
Subject:      Whatizit PFK?
Comments: To: Kafenes 'To Ellhnikon' <hellas@brownvm.brown.edu>

> > O PFK, exei amoma mia fora emfanh symptomata
> > laofobias kai en-genei snobismou/aristokratismou.
>
>           Epetrepse mou na amfibalw. Elpizw na 0umasai ta mpinelikia
>       pou exw rixei sthn lista sxetika me ton Platwna kai ta FASISTIKA
>       pou grafei sthn Politeia. Epishs elpizw na 0umasai poses fores
>       exw susthsei se kosmo na diabasei to The Open Society and its
>       Enemies, tou Popper, o opoios afierwnei enan oloklhro tomo sto
>       xemprostiasma ths fasistikhs ideologias tou Platwna. Pisteuw
>       oti o parapanw xarakthrismos sou einai adikos.

Ma gi'auto einai na traba kaneis ta malia tou me sena re mastora.
Apo thn mia exoume akousei tis apopseis sou peri Platoniko Fasismo
all apo thn allh prospathontas na apotakseis ton
laikismo/pseyto-ethnikismo bgaineis deksiotera tou basilia (so to say). Ama
thes na apotakseis ton laikismo den baras (h brizeis) to samari (ton lao)
alla ton gaidaro (thn morfwsh tou). Poly swsta parakatw les oti
sxolia kai biblia xreiazomaste. Malista einai poly astoxo na
thewreis oti mia morfh laikismou einai h "mazikopoihsh"
antidrasewn apenanti se periodika opws kalh wra symbainei edw
kai ligo kairo.
Ayto pou isws se enoxlei perissotero einai oti yparxei pithanothta (kai edafos)
oi "mprostarhdes" tetoiwn "kinhtopoihsewn" na einai (a) ysterobouloi,
(b) abatheis -- kai ara telika "epikindynoi" stnn ylopoihsh tou
pragmatikou skopou -- kai (c) isws se periorismenes periptwseis thrasydeiloi.
Ksana omws ayto metafrazetai se kritikh kapoiwn "ypokinhtwn" kai oxi
tou "laou" pou akolouthei. To sygekrimeno fainomeno tou Ellhnikou
ethnikismou twn teleytaiwn mhnwn einai aksio thaymasmou gia merikous
logous:
(a) ginetai apodekto oti taboo ths Aristeras opws h Boreia Hpeiros
    den stekoun pleon --
(b) oi theseis twn ksenwn xartografoune thn Ellhnikh ekswterikh politikh me
    tropo pou den exei symbei edw kai xronia (apo to Kypriako kai meta) --
(c) prosfata leitourghse san PH-test ths Rwsikhs "oksythtas" me thaymasta
    eyrhmata --
(d) anagazei ton me then kalh ennoia taytismo "kratous" kai "ethnous" pou
    ton eixame parekshghsei kai alloiwsei --
(e) dhmiourgei toulaxiston (kai ayto apo mono tou aksizei) eyryterh synenaish
    ston Ellhniko lao --
kai poikilia allwn side-effects.

Ta periodika, apo thn allh pleyra, den yparxoun gia na lene mono tis apopseis
2-3 syntaktwn tous. An htan etsi tha ebgainan se morfh manifestou,
ena kathe xrono kai tha teleiwne h ypothesh (Opws ontos kanoun
kati hard-core aristeristika kai poulane 10 antitypa ston papou kai ton mpampa
kai se syggeneis kai filous). Auto pou kanoun ta eyreias kykloforias
periodika (kai ayto pou krata kai
thn kykloforia tous kai thn aksia tous pshla) einai h dynatothta
tous na prokaloun dialogo kai antilogo. Opou perissoterh barythta exei h leksh
"prokaloun" para "dialogos".

> > Mia pou to efere h koubenta, Periklh h apopsh peri "aristwn"
> > kybernontwn exei diplh shmantikh. Apo thn mia einai oi pio
> > eklektoi na apofasisoun gia to melon tou ethnous -- kai ayto DEN
> > einai kako.
.....
>           Egw loipon s' auto den sumfwnw. Den gnwrizw poioi einai autoi
>      oi "aristoi". Se ena dhmokratiko politeuma oi aristoi einai autoi
>      pou nomizei h koinwnia oti einai (p.x. ka0hghtes Panepisthmiou,
>      poihtes, zwgrafoi klp), alla autoi den kubernoun. Gia ta alla
.....
>             Gi' auto den katalabainw ti ennoeis otan milas gia thn
>      Kubernhsh twn Aristwn, se mia Dhmokratikh Koinwnia. Sumpa0a me.

Ayto pou ennow otan lew oti DEN einai kako na mas kybernoun kai
"aristoi" kamia fora exei na kanei me kathara-ksera texnokratismo
sthn politikh ygesia. Kai apo oti blepw apo to parapanw apospasma sou
telika symfwneis. Blepeis poioi einai oi "aristoi" sthn koinwnia
alla den tous blepeis na kybernoun. E loipon, ayto akribws ennow, oti
einai kalo na kybernoun kai aytoi pote pote. An oxi toso gia na
perigrapsoun to "orama" tou ethnous, toulaxiston gia na to
"ylopoihsoun".
H thesh tous mexri akoma kai tis meres mas einai na tous xrhsimopoioun
gia "damage assessment" porismata alla parallhla tous apotrepoun apo
ton sxediasmo kai thn ektelesh. Paradeigma, oi metafores sthn Ellada,
exoun ginei kai ksanaginei meletes kai senaria gia dromous/epikoinwnies.
Alla h apousia kapoiou texnokrath sth thesh lhpshs apofasewn einai
entona emfanhs.
Malista einai kalo na yparxoun kai merikoi bouleytes/ypourgoi pou den einai
mono dikhgoriskoi gamma diakloghs kai eyelpides kybernhtes.
Telos, den pisteyw oti yparxei kaneis aristos peri pantws tou episthtou --
giati ayto einai komataki adynato...

Oso gia Plwrithdes kai loipous, symfwnw se arketa apo ta legomena sou.
Alla den tous yperamynomouna etsi kai alloiws.

>           Stoxos tou politikou einai h epaneklogh tou, opws stoxos tou
>      ka0hghth einai to tenure, tou mousikou h epituxia kai h anagnwrish,
>      tou manager h dieu0unsh kai tou podosfairisth to gkol. Den
>      einai zhthma an0rwpinwn adunamiwn.

Gloup! Katse ligo, an opws les, stoxos tou politikou einai h epaneklogh
tote gia ti diaolo mporei na ton exoume anagh oi ypoloipoi kai ton
eklegoume. Ti eleges peri pisths ston Koinobouleytismo parapanw?
Tribw ta matia mou...

>           H idiaiterothta tou politikou einai oti diaxeirizetai ton
>      dhmosio korbana, kai EKEI einai to koumpi, oxi sthn epi0umia tou
>      na epaneklegei. O politikos 0a dhmagwgei oso briskei pelateia
>      gia tetoiou eidous politikh parousia. Ean o kosmos pei kapoia
>      stigmh: gia siga, ti nomizeis oti trwme, koutoxorto;, tote
>      mallon h dhmagwgia 0a stamathsei 'h 0a meiw0ei. Des ton politiko
>      san epixeirhmatia: he has to make money and the only way is to keep
>      the customer happy.

Edw anatrepeis to prohgoumeno, kai me mperdeyeis anepanorthwta.
Pisteyw oti telika den pisteyeis
oti (toulaxiston monos) skopos tou politikou einai h epaneklogh.
Kako paradeigma metaksy epixeirhmatia kai politikou. O epixeirhmatias
mporei kata boulhsh na xrhsimopoihsei thn diafhmish/mesa-enhmerwshs
gia na dhmagwghsei/poulhsei. Einai shmantiko na poulhsei alloiws
den yparxei kan h ennoia epixeirhmatias. Sthn periptwsh tou politikou
o katanalwths ypografei "en leykw" bazontas pisth ston politiko xwris
na dei kan emporeyma. Ayto dinei kai ston politiko thn dynatothta
na kyberna kai na dusaresthsei.

..
Stamataw edw gia thn wra giati phge makrya to kalathi.

> pfk
> southern cal .............. den eimaste zoulou, den eimaste Papoua
>                             eimaste h agria fulh twn Barbakoua! Ougk!

Xairetw

Giannhs
GaTech/Atlanta

p.s. Emena mou thymizoume perissotero kati epeisodia tou Ren & Stimpy
sto Nickelodeon. Malista xtes eixan anafora sto cartoon sthn prwth
selida ths USA Today. Dikaiwsh!
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