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From: souissi@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 - A Year of Greatness
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:48:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr8.224857.16080
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <44478@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartigse@fe638.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig) writes:
> ...
>is not a complicated game like football, not a high class game like tennis,
>not an easy game like soccer (yuck).  But it offers an education to college

Soccer easy? It shows you don't know much about the game.

>students, fans and players.  It is competitive and always exciting.  We
>may not agree on much here on r.s.b.c, but we all have that one constant.
>Good Luck to all of your teams in '92-'93, and we can only hope for a sea-
>son like we had this year. 
>
>scott
>_______________________________________________________
>
>Scott E. Hartig
>Purdue University Schools of Engineering
>West Lafayette, IN
>
>"The sum of the world's intelligence is a constant.....
>                ....the population is growing"       
>
>                        -H.L Mencken
>GO HOOSIERS!!!!!
>
>_____________________________________________________
From: kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-IU--the problem with basketball
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:35:20 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporate Logistics Division, Dayton Ohio

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In article <1992Apr5.071235.20569@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
writes:
>  I hate to see a game when one spends as much time watching the refs as the
>  players. ASny sport which makes this possible has an inherent flaw in it. I
though the DUKE-IU game was a perfect example of that. I though the
officiating   completely took IU out of their rhythmn and hence game. Mostly
by continous small calls which kept going against IU, but calls which added up
in a HUGE way. I  think serious efforts need to be taken to imporve collegiate
officiating NOW. The paying fans ought to make it clear that they are finished
putting up with crap. Officiating varies so much fr>
>om game to game it is sickening. This ruins so many excellent games. If
>anyone reading this is pissed off also--BITCH to anyone who will listen. 

        I have to agree that this game was absolutely the worst officiated
game I have ever seen.  I was at the game, in the 6th row, and I couldn't
believe my eyes.  I've seen games where several bad calls by the refs really
hurt a team, but I've never seen a game where the referees not only hurt the
team with a few bad calls, but they completely took away all of IU's best
players.  The referees gave IU no chance in the second half.  The Hoosiers
were called for everything.  Christian went over the IU players back the
entire second half, and only got called for it once.  Parks knocked an IU
player to the floor to get him out of his way and didn't get called for it. 
Justice was not served in that game.  IU appeared to be the better team that
night, and they deserved to win. 
        The thing that is really sad about the officiating is that these three
gentleman are supposed to be 3 of the best 6 referees in the country.  Now
that is a scary thought.

Mr. Kelly Dougan
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Year-End r.s.bb.c poll results
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:32:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr17.133231.20477
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

>In article <1992Apr16.165804.26000@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>Due to a lack in response, I am not going to give the final poll results,
>>as they don't represent a very good cross-section of the newsgroup.
>>
>>But for your information, these were the leaders...
>>
>>Most Annoying Post - most had something to do with Laettner
>>Most Insipid Post - nothing had a majority
>>
>>Poster with Head in Ass - AVI, or officially: alester@fire.ncsu.edu
>>   Roy Navarre was also mentioned often
>>
>>Most Creative Poster - no significant majority; votes were split between
>>Steve "Boilerweenie" Chapin, T-Bone, and Jim Oliver
>>
>>Most Informative Poster - Randy Peppler (almost unanimously)
>>
>>
>>Don't ask me for the results; I have just deleted the file.  Only 7 people
>>responded.
>>-- 
>>
>>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Apr17.002245.6762@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>
>Nice job Brian--are you looking for a career in tabloid journalism?
>If so write me and I will write you a strong letter of recommendation.

Nope.  I didn't make up my sources like the tabloids do, although my "real"
sources could have questionable backgrounds, I guess.  Besides, I rarely
see polls in tabloids (only in USA Today).

>The gratifying thing is that only 7 people responded. I guess that proves
>that this net has a lot of classy people in addition to rabble rousers.

Why is responding to this poll "classless"?  It only really echos what goes
on in this group anyway.

>Thanks also for posting the results of a poll of 7 peoples opinions.
>
>Why dont you list the 7 people who took part in this? I'd really like to
>know who the holier than thou name callers are. Lets find out who belongs
>to this mutual admiration club. Any self-designated "net-gods" in there?

I'll let them respond on their own.  I will not violate the privacy of my
sources.  FYI, however, most of the people who thought you had "your head
in your ass" have already made that point clear in responses to your posts,
so you probably can guess who they are.  Personally, I didn't nominate you
or your threads (unless you contributed to the Laettner suspension thread),
because I was far more irritated by other posters.  You were only defending
your favorite coach, player, and team, so I thought a shred of credibility
existed there.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 01:44:24 EDT
From: Mark J. Laufersweiler <L89@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz stunk it up!!

In article <1992Apr4.223314.39041@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, rsl06@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
says:
>
Nantz and Billy put down here [deleted but agree with].
>Anyway, I hope those two Buffoons dont do the final; it will be a disaster!
>Maybe I can catch the radio broadcast in conjunction with the game..
>anyone know what channel they do the radio in?
>...

I too got fed up with the announcing of the games, especially Billy "ACC".
I ended up turning off the TV sound and tuned in my radio to listen to
Caywood Ledford (sp) and Quinn Buckner, both who know more about the game
of basketball then Nantz or Billy could even read about.

As to what station, it is being covered by CBS-radio, so find your local
AM affiliate in your area.

+--------------------------------------------------------------+
| Mark J. Laufersweiler      |        And what is a weed?      |
| l89@psuvm.bitnet           | A plant whose virtues have not  |
| l89@psuvm.psu.edu          |         been discovered.        |
| laufers@psumeteo.psu.edu   |                                 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Final - The Conclusion
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:56:58 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

::                                                    ...........  So, even
::if Duke were at full strength, I'd give the nod to Michigan.  But, with Davis
::out with a high-ankle sprain (that's three this year), and Grant Hill playing
::on a sore knee, Duke is going to have to give major minutes to Parks and
::Clark, and those two don't have the experience in big games to really contri-
::bute.  It looks like the fab five are gonna pull it off.

Even with Davis' high-ankle sprain and Grant Hill's sore knee and Laettner's
subpar scoring performance, Michigan still couldn't beat Duke.

Parks really played an outstanding game; his presence was really felt 
on the court.  He was a stronger force near the board than Laettner 
was, and it was obvious that the Michigan big guys couldn't handle Parks. 
One can only think about how good Duke will be next year with Parks 
as the starting center.

:I can see Duke being favored based on experience, but by 6 points?  No way.

Yeah, no way!  20 points is more like it!  :-)

:                       ..........  Also Duke's emotional gas tank may only
:be half full for this game, they've had two tightly contested wins.  If they
:win it, they'll have to play better than they did against IU.

One disadvantage of being #1 team is that everyone will go after you
and play at a higher level.  Not surprising, most teams played great
against Duke, and Kentucky and Indiana were no exceptions.  Michigan 
also played a great game against Duke in the Final Game.

You'll have to admit that Duke's going through the regular season with 
only two defeats (both against ACC foes), defeating some great teams 
outside ACC in the process (LSU, UCLA, and Michigan), and defeating 
more great teams in the NCAA Tournament (Kentucky, Indiana, and Michigan 
in consecutive games) is nothing short of a great accomplishment.

Duke started the season as #1 team, stayed as #1 team throughout the 
season, and finished as #1 team, while playing a tough schedule.  That, 
itself, is remarkable.  As a NCAA championship defender, finishing the
season as #1 is still more remarkable. To win back-to-back NCAA championships 
with so many outstanding teams today is even more remarkable.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steve Williams
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Year-End r.s.bb.c poll results
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:58:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Brian E. Saunders writes:
>>Brian E. Saunders writes:
>>>
>>>Poster with Head in Ass - AVI, or officially: alester@fire.ncsu.edu
>>>   Roy Navarre was also mentioned often
>>>
>
>Roy Navarre writes:
>>
>>Nice job Brian--are you looking for a career in tabloid journalism?
>>If so write me and I will write you a strong letter of recommendation.
>
>Nope.  I didn't make up my sources like the tabloids do, although my "real"
>sources could have questionable backgrounds, I guess.  Besides, I rarely
>see polls in tabloids (only in USA Today).
>
>>The gratifying thing is that only 7 people responded. I guess that proves
>>that this net has a lot of classy people in addition to rabble rousers.
>
>Why is responding to this poll "classless"?  It only really echos what goes
>on in this group anyway.
>
>>Thanks also for posting the results of a poll of 7 peoples opinions.
>>
>>Why dont you list the 7 people who took part in this? I'd really like to
>>know who the holier than thou name callers are. Lets find out who belongs
>>to this mutual admiration club. Any self-designated "net-gods" in there?
>
>I'll let them respond on their own.  I will not violate the privacy of my
>sources.  FYI, however, most of the people who thought you had "your head
>in your ass" have already made that point clear in responses to your posts,
>so you probably can guess who they are.  Personally, I didn't nominate you
>or your threads (unless you contributed to the Laettner suspension thread),
>because I was far more irritated by other posters.  You were only defending
>your favorite coach, player, and team, so I thought a shred of credibility
>existed there.

OK Roy, I'll admit to being one of the people who responded to Brian's
survey.  I didn't vote for you as the head-in-ass poster.  I will, however
publicly change my vote (as if anybody cares) to you.  My original vote
went to Avie (whoever that may be) for letting a joke get to far out of
hand.  Recently, it has almost become comical watching people attack the
poor ghost.  You, on the other hand don't seem to be pretending. I can
respect your admiration for O'Neal, etc.  but you seemed to take every
thing that anybody said about him personally.  Try to objective for once.
He is a great player and will certainly be number one in the draft, but
he still can't shoot free throws, and hasn't demonstrated an outside game
as yet.  He may have one--I don't deny that, but am just saying that I
haven't seen it yet.  Remeber, Shaq is not God--he is just a basketball
player.
 

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *  Earn cash in your spare time!
University of Washington      *  Blackmail your friends.
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: IU's comeback.
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:54:32 GMT
Distribution: na

Did anyone else notice that it seemed like Knight had given up on any chance
of a comeback with IU down 8 and about a minute to go?  I thought it
was kind of humorous how fast Todd Lindeman was pulled back out after
Leary got IU back in the game with his threes.

Why didn't Greg Graham take the open shot after stealing the ball with
about 50 seconds to go?  This turned into a horrible play because
after he passed it to Cheaney, Cheaney missed the shot and then fouled out.

Also, why the heck did Meeks shoot that three with 15 seconds to go?
You've got Leary (who had just hit three of them in 30 seconds) and
Anderson to go to.  I think Meeks has hit about one three pointer in
his career.  15 seconds was plenty of time to work the ball around.

As for whining about the officiating, I thought it was a resonably
well called game.  There were some pretty weak charging calls called
each way.  One thing I did notice was that the officiating seemed to
favor IU in the first half and Duke in the second half.  Could this be
due to switching ends at halftime?

Sigh.  Oh well, it was an exciting ending to a somewhat ugly game.

Is the Big 10 going to be the Big 2 next year or what?  IU loses only
Anderson and Meeks, and I think we've heard enough about how great the
Fab 5 are.

-- 
Robert Jones            "45 and sunny is a lot warmer on paper
Mead Data Central        than it is in an MG with the top down"
bobj@meaddata.com           -Me, one foolish afternoon not long ago.
bobj%meaddata@uunet.uu.net          
                                        
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: 12 APR 92 16:07:23    

In article <1992Apr11.151843.23856@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, Steve Creps <creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes...
>In article <1992Apr10.024415.25039@colorado.edu> burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>>I thought that Pat Knight, since his father is a university employee,
>>would not need a scholarship. At least that was what I remember 
>>hearing o so long ago.
> 
>   I don't have my handbook with me, but I think children of University
>employees can get three credit hours free during the semester.  Plus he
>can live at home for free if he wants (many B'ton residents still live on
>campus when they come to IU though), although maybe not after being arrested
>for D&D 8-).  Anyway, I doubt that a child of Bob Knight, who probably
>gives away more money to IU than an education would cost, needs a
>scholarship, whether he goes to IU or to Purdue (perish the thought!).
> 
================================================================================
Children of IU employees are entitled to 1/2 price tuition for as many hours as
are required for their undergraduate degree program. I can't imagine that R. 
Knight would want to use one of his 13 scholarships for a player the caliber of 
Pat Knight. He wasn't even a full time starter at Bloomington High School 
North. Of course I can't understand why Pat would want to play for his father 
either. There are a lot of division two schools where he would be able to play 
on a regular basis.
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting: Junior, Jeff Capel
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:18:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <craig.703173015@sibelius> craig@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) writes:
>that Capel heard the Liningstone rumors and decided to beat him
>to the punch.  This could be a big loss to Duke if Livingstone
>now comes to UNC ( I HOPE, I HOPE :-)).  As for Stackhouse, I heard
>from a friend of a friend of his high school coach that he is leaning
>towards UNC with Duke, FSU and NCSU also on his list.  However, in
>a receint story in the Raliegh paper, Stachouse said that his 
>favorite player is Jordon and his favorite color is blue ( now if
>thats "light blue" then I think he will be a Tar Heel ).

A friend of mine who's a sportswriter for the Raleigh N&O said that Capel
and Stackhouse had been talking about wanting to go to the same college.
It might have been on the level of "wouldn't it be great if...", but I
don't know.

This might have been mentioned already, but Stackhouse has become the first
junior to be named AP high school player of the year in North Carolina.  I
guess he's pretty good.  Then again, Buzz Peterson won NC player of the year
over Michael Jordan, so it might not mean too much.
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Othella Harrington
Keywords: Hoorayy we're back on the list
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:25:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr9.192516.6966
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

In article <maj1.702826597@Ra.MsState.Edu> maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison) writes:
>Mr Harrington has listed his "Short" List of schools he is considering
>its down to 4
>
>Mississippi State
>Arkansas
>Georgetown
>LSU
>
>Now there's no way he should go to Georgetown or LSU, the pressure
>to live up to the guys who just most recently left would be  just to
>great.. That leaves Arkansas or MSU, and you know which school
>I'll be rooting for..
>
>BTW- I'm not all that hopeful when It get's down to the facts,
>	the purple and gold are a bit too free with their money
>	to see him go anywhere else..
>
>--
>______________________________________________________________________________
>                       Still looking for Luthien
>maj1@ra.msstate.edu                                  maj1@beren.b17a.ingr.com
>______________________________________________________________________________

You must be looking for another flame war Mark!!!!!!!!!
LSU free with their money? THat is a whining type of complaint.
You have any proof of that?  ANy what soever?  I guess you are just pissed
about your school falling under LSU's shadow and continually losing
recruits to us.
Roy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  8 Apr 92 15:59:34 GMT

swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>There's a triangle region in North Carolina that is marked by the three 
>universities (Duke, NCSU & UNC), each university not being more than 
>ten miles from each other.

Well, Duke and UNC are about 10 miles apart, but State is more like 
30 miles away.

Since there is nothing within 30 miles of Lexington or Bloomington (especially
the latter), neither of these schools can pair up with another winner to make
6.
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: hartigse@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National Coach of Year??
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:42:22 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr6.112118.10473@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.85355.17082@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>>larose@cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>>>Who are the nominees for net "National Coach of the Year"?
>>>
>>>I'd have to step forward and propose these this list to start with.
>>>IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
>>>
>>>1)  Coach K,           Duke 
>>>2)  The General" Robert Montgomery Knight,  IU
>>>6)  Steve Fisher,      Michigan.
>>>3)  John Calipari      UMASS!!
>>>5)  Bob Huggins,       Cincinnati.
>>>7)  Roy Williams,      Kansas.
>>>8)  Pat Kennedy,       FSU.

I like these candidates. I would definitely have to also include

    1) Randy Ayres - Ohio State (Big10 Champs)
    2) Perry Clark - Tulane (resurrected a long dead program)
    3) Jim Crews   - Evansville (took a team predicted to finish 5th 
                     in the MCC to finishing in the top 30
                     in the nation.)
    4) John MacLeod- Notre Dame (questionable, but did something
                     with nothing)
     
_______________________________________________________

Scott E. Hartig
Purdue University Schools of Engineering
West Lafayette, IN


"The sum of the world's intelligence is a constant.....
                ....the population is growing"       

                        -H.L Mencken


GO HOOSIERS!!!!!

_____________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman)
Subject: R.S.B.C. Picks
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:14:48 GMT

Since most of the awards given in college basketball are given by the media, I 
thought I'd compile some categories for r.s.b.c. posters to pick based on 
performance for the '91-'92.  Here we go:

National Player of the Year:
1. Christian Laettner  F    Duke
2. Shaquille O'Neill   C    LSU
3. Jim Jackson        G/F   Ohio State
4. Harold Miner        F    USC
5. Todd Day            G    Arkansas
6. Jamal Mashburn      F    Kentucky
7. Don McLean          F    UCLA
8. Anthony Peeler      F    Missouri
9. Byron Houston       F    Oklahoma State
10.Walt Williams       F    Maryland

National Coach of the Year
1. Mike Kryzewzski          Duke
2. George Raveling          USC
3. Roy Williams             Kansas
4. Bob Knight               Indiana
5. John Calipari            Massachusetts
6. Steve Fisher             Michigan
7. Bob Huggins              Cincinnati
8. Randy Ayers              Ohio State
9. Jim Harrick              UCLA
10.Rick Pitino              Kentucky

Best Performer in the Clutch
1. Jim Jackson              Ohio State
2. Christian Laettner       Duke
3. Bob Hurley               Duke
4. Harold Miner             USC
5. Others?

Toughest Conference
1. ACC
2. Big Ten
3. Big East
4. Big Eight
5. Pac Ten
6. WAC
7. Atlantic Ten
8. SEC
9. SWC
10.Great Metro

I am tabulating the totals.  We'll see once and for all who is deserving of the
honors from the people who really count-the fans.

Tim
thartman@magnus.ohio state.edu