HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Male visual orientationREFRESH
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:52:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr9.153055.28148@u.washington.edu> intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.222755.21043@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>In <1992Apr8.025018.4511@midway.uchicago.edu> pooh@group-w.uchicago.edu (Pooh @ the Utility Muffin Research Kitchen) writes:
>>>I nominate Angelwing for the Soc.Singles.Fantasy.Goddess for
>>>the male contingent.
>>
>>You can't; she ain't single.  She just said so herself in a recent post.
>>
>Oh *reeally*, Michael.  Well I'm not married, so I must be single.  Nyah! 
>
>Angelwing - Do you see a ring on this finger?  *I* don't see a ring on
>this finger.

Excuse me, Angelwing, but THAT'S not the finger one usually 
wears a ring on....

-- 
  Dave Johnson

"You're not too smart, are you?  I like that in a man."
    --Kathleen Turner in Body Heat 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com (Doug Rudoff)
Subject: Silent phone calls (was Re: Avoiding dating married people)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:28:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.165739.27705@walter.bellcore.com> nobody writes:
>Hmmm.. that explains why at the start of some dating relationships in the
>past, I would get frequent "silent" phone calls (where the caller hangs up 
>after you answer). Maybe CallerId has some merits.

I was just talking about that yesterday with a friend. In my case, the
"silent" phone calls occur before a woman I met a few months previous
calls me up to ask me out. This has happened twice to me. I never
asked the women if they made "silent" calls, but I always assumed it
was them. I have the impression that they weren't checking me out,
they just had the jitters in asking me out, and it took a few tries to
actually go through with it.

Does anyone out there do this?
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing)
Subject: Re: THE ELEMENTS OF SEDUCTION was (Re: Request : Dating advice from women)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:29:07 GMT

drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.195219.18854@tigger.jvnc.net> richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH) writes:
>>There are few things as thrilling or as challenging as seducing a woman
>>who absolutely loathes you.
>>If you can't see the sport in this, you will never understand men.

>Is anyone maybe getting an idea of why many women feel the need to protect
>themselves from men, not just the rapist, but the guy next door that seems
>oh so charming? 

But MaX, RICHH is hardly the guy next door.  I think we can all rest
assured that a guy like him is rare indeed and chances of meeting up
with someone who would consider himself in the same league as King 
Richard are slim enough to not have to worry about protection against
his kind.  There is enough paranoia, I think.

Angelwing -- later

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: lying to oneself (was Re: Sanctity of relationships)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 22:28:06 GMT
Distribution: world,soc
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Apr9.195104.25507@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>  kscummi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Kimberly S. Cummings) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.174548.10849@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcregor@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Me
> >
> >There are, indeed, people who can lie to themselves and everyone they meet
> >and completely convince themselves they are honest and don't practice
> >deception.
>
> Me too!  Like the guy I was seeing who told me, in response to a
> direct question, that no, he was not involved with someone else.  When
> I found out later that they might as well be married & confronted him,
> he said that he considers that to be "nothing".

I might as well chime in here.  I had one girlfriend that went for a
photo shoot.  I knew that she had fooled around with the photographer
previously.  When I picked her up from his place, I asked her "Did you
fuck him?"  She said "No."  Later that night, when I discovered that
she had been lying, I asked her why she lied to me, and her response was
that she wasn't lying, she didn't think I was asking seriously.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: More helpful Hints
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:07:02 GMT
Organization: (Ha!)

In article <1992Apr12.040831.2011@midway.uchicago.edu> pooh@group-w.uchicago.edu (Pooh @ the Utility Muffin Research Kitchen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.231833.11704@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>>Irregardless how syntactically, or semantically correct,
>>Never start with:
>>"And Now to Do the 'Sex Stuff'."
>What about: "And Now to Do the 'KINKY Sex Stuff'." ??
>
>Pooh (take those chains OUT of the freezer NOW! I MEAN IT!)

But Pooh, why should someone take the chains out of the freezer
until they're _really_ cold? They warm up so fast is it is.

paul (even now having decided not to go out and search for early zucchini)
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: The "first" "move" (was Re: A R C )
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:54:15 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <65043@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>What if one person initiates the conversation and the other person
>asks for the date? Who has made the first move? AAAUUUUUGGGGHHHH!
>What if NOBODY can claim responsibility for the first move? What?
>We might have to consider the possibility of MUTUAL INTEREST? But
>who would get the "aggressive" notch on their belt?

I think that the person who asks for the date made the first move.  Especially
if he is not certain that there IS any mutual interest.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: The Second Move
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:58:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.184218.7839@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu writes:
>
>>Angelwing says " a man will notice a woman's signals, that is
>>if his head isn't in the clouds ".
>>THERE'S the whole DAMN problem, wrapped up neatly. Women ASSUME.  
>>Men don't. :) :) :) 
>
>No, the problem is that women like Angelwing ask or expect _men_ to
>assume. They are friendly, the man assumes they are showing interest
>and asks them out, then they are brutally rejected because they didn't
>read the "signals" or the minds correctly. 
>
 
Let's see Anglewing responded to a post, therefore she want's to
bear my children and is in fact being more than friendly and
yet somehow aggresive. I wishing to preserve the stanagntity of my
current relationship's must let her down less then, shall we say "brutally".
Anglewing stop stalking me or I'll have to spank you.
 



Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (Software Dude)
Subject: Newspaper personals phenomena
Organization: WHAT?
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:51:26 GMT

 swt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu wonders...
>
>I remember once having the obligatory 'are-we-in-a-relationship-or-not'
>conversation with a guy, and he asked, "What did you have in mind all that
>time you were pursuing me?"  My mind produced the image of myself on horseback
> wearing a highwayman's cape, spurs, and a bikini, carrying a lasso, riding 
>him down on the open range.... He couldn't figure out why I was giggling 
>so much.
>	
>			--Beth
> 
I can't either, Beth. Would it be because your bikini was out of fashion?
--
Puter	puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com "My favorite vanity plate - PHUQUE"
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH)
Subject: THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS
Originator: richh@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: Snappy Subject Lines 'R Us
Distribution: world,soc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:33:46 GMT

intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr10.215228.8676@u.washington.edu> intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes: some foolishness regarding a hand puppet.

>>No name recommendations here, but I can recommend what you use her for.

>Nice of you to drop in Monica.  *Always* a pleasure to hear from you.
>I took the liberty of reading your mind and used her for *just* the purpose
>you hand in mind.  And know what?  RICHH was right!  It *is* almost like
>somebody else!

Yeah, but *who*??

RICHH
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Male visual orientationREFRESH
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:08:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.151859.8012@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcregor@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Meloney Cregor) writes:
>In article <12407@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>
>>Of course she would.  She just told us she has tremendous hooters.  Since
>>I recently attended a "Tremendous Hooter Management" BOF I'm no longer
>>timorous when I meet someone like Angelwing.
>
>Fascinating.  I never found them so hard to manage that I needed to take 
>a class.  They're quite well behaved.  Most of the time, they just sit
>there and don't do anything.
>
I find it fascinating that your hooters "just sit there..". How
intriguing.  Are they that big that they "sit"?  I remember seeing
this humorous greeting card with a very fat lady with VERY HUGH
HOOTERS and they seemed to come down to her knees.  They seemed to
just, like, ah, hang, but they were not sitting.  Maybe you should
go on the David Letterman show.  On second thought, bad idea.  They
have to perform or attempt to perform.  Hooters just sitting around
and behaving themselves would not solicit much interest.  Of course,
John Fereira could probably "manage" to illicit some sort of
behavior from them. 
-- 
        ********     John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	********	
 "Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth."
										- Henry David Thoreau

Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men
From: shortell@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Laurel L Shortell)
Subject: Re: buying things
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:56:58 GMT

In article <vxljs3f@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.022831.875@ait.com> eleanor@ait.com (Eleanor Evans) writes:
>>I'd like to buy a man thing--is there like a catalog, or something?  A
>>toll-free number?  Where do I sign up?
>
>Well, I know where you can rent a great man thing- by the hour or day- with
>the man still attached (that part being unfourtunately non-negotible ';-)
>Leave a message at this here account ';-)

What a disgusting thing to say! She was asking an innocent
question, and you felt you had to jump on the opportunity
to spout vile comments? Keep it in your pants, buster.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Telephone Personals
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:28:37 -0500

In <1992Apr15.221720.86967@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mm0s@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MARC MOSCHETTE) writes:

>Why do all the newspapers go for the telephone response?  Are people who like
>to write or prefer written responses as a means of testing intelligence,
>sanity, sincerity, etc. just not important to the papers??

I was hoping this would be about what somebody is doing here in Bloomington...
it's sort of a voice-mail service for singles.  You use touchtone keys
to record a message, then people can listen to it and respond to your
voicemail box.  There's all sorts of rules, but the idea is sound - it's
sort of an alt.personals for non-computergeeks.  I've been meaning to try
it out, but I haven't got to it yet.

And damn, I wish I'd thought of it.  Somebody's making a MINT.

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!
Xref: sparky soc.singles:11323 soc.men:8477 soc.women:8998
From: bev@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Beverly Huntsberger)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Needing not to Need
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:48:58 GMT
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia

In <1992Apr09.173405.15580@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:

>In  <1992Apr8.162744.10686@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu>  bev@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Beverly Huntsberger) writes:
>> In <1992Apr06.232724.37815@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.co
>>
>> >At the moment I'm wearing sneakers (purple), jeans (Levi's 501; gotta
>> >keep them soc.singles women happy :-), and a Mardi Gras T-shirt
>> >(Instant Mardi Gras - just add alcohol!).
>>
>>      So what do they get if they DON'T add alcohol?

>Well, the T-shirt has a picture of a hurricane glass on it, so I'd
>assume that if you don't add alcohol, you don't get a Mardi Gras.

>>      My hope would be something even better ;)

>Well you can get that with or without adding the alcohol.  :-)

>>      (Ah, I said "they", because of your 'soc.singles'
>>      comment and I'm not in the market.)

>And "you" is, of course, the generic you.  :-)

>> bah

>Your initials, or humbuggery?  :-)

	My initials. When I'm in a humbuggery mood.
>Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
	Bev
-- 
--
Bev Huntsberger       bev@grover.csd.scarolina.edu
University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC   29208
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Xref: sparky soc.singles:10777 soc.men:8225 soc.women:8791
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Men and women talking
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:29:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: /theta/theta5/unc/martinc/.organization
In-reply-to: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu's message of 6 Apr 92 16:29:56 GMT

I think it's "the lilacs are blooming tra la" not "the lilacs are
blooming silly".
--
Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu/(ne crm@cs.duke.edu) 
O/Department of Computer Science/Sitterson Hall/UNC/Chapel Hill, NC 27599
H/3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to
grow sharper.  -- Eden Phillpot, I'm told.  Anyone have a better reference?
From: epg@nature.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Love: It is a precious thing?
Summary: (Love and Power, IMHO it's a lie)
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:39:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C.B.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nature.berkeley.edu
CC: epg@nature

In article <1992Apr11.153145.9124@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcregor@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Meloney Cregor) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.115114.12128@midway.uchicago.edu> pooh@group-w.uchicago.edu (Pooh @ the Utility Muffin Research Kitchen) writes:
>
>>If you have two people in a relationship, and one is deeply in love
>>and happy, and the other one feels less and isn't happy, who has
>>"won"?
>
>The one who feels less and isn't happy.
>
>They're outta there and the one who loves deeply and was happy has the
>misfortune to be stomped on, on the way out the door and the happiness
>roles are then reversed.

Not necessarily.  I was once very much in love and happy with a man
once.  But he was carrying around too much emotional baggage from the
past to be capable of loving me back and being happy.  I'm the one that
left him.  

I'm still falling in love from time to time.  And he's still unhappy.
IMHO, anyone who claims to be happy because they have the "power" to
resist someone else's love, is just a bitter soul terrified of being
hurt by love.  But if you've got the wisdom to realize that no hurt
lasts forever, and that what is gained from having loved is many times
more precious than what is lost, love will cease to be a great gamble and
become the greatest adventure of all.

This is why I live by my tagline.

*Because I was endowed with a mind, heart, and soul,
I enjoy everything in life.*

Just me,

little 'e'
From: tlode@isis.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: The Second Move
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.010444.7304@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:
>
>>Oh please.  I should be doomed to have only jerks because I am not
>>aggressive in the way YOU think I should be?
>
>Because you are not taking charge of the chioces in your life, you
>should suffer some random selection of men.
>
>>But Kiran, I don't care.  I don't WANT things to change.  
>Fine with me. I'm glad you are satisfied with the way men and women
>are today.

I think the important thing to remember is that Angelwing isn't all women;
she's not responsible for behaving in a manner that you might think would
be ideal for all women to behave in.

Personally, I like diversity--I don't want all people to alter their
behavior to fit some predefined mold, especially not if they're happy
with their behavior already.  Now, as I've said before, I have a very
strong preference for aggressive women--but I certainly don't expect
the entire female population to change to that mode of behavior; after
all, I don't have the time or the inclination to date the entire female
population anyway.

Trygve

Xref: sparky soc.singles:10647 soc.women:8728 soc.men:8160
From: jandrews@public.BTR.COM (Jerry Andrews  jandrews@btr.com)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: buying things
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:37:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Apr3.022831.875@ait.com> piglet writes:

>I'd like to buy a man thing--is there like a catalog, or something?  A
>toll-free number?  Where do I sign up?

Honestly, young lady -- polite piglets don't discuss buying man things in
public.  Any more than proper men discuss buying woman things in public.  Go
see your doctor -- (s)he has the catalog...

;)

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@isis.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: The "first" "move" (was Re: A R C )
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.072816.27947@wam.umd.edu> tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest) writes:
>
>So it just goes to show, if you want to meet aggressive women,
>put on a tunic, buy a big sword, read up on wicca, and march right
>over to your local SciFi/Fantasy convention or medievalist society.

Now all I've got to do is figure out how to get around the Wicca part,
since, much as I like intelligent, aggressive women who are relatively
unconstrained by convention, the ones I meet keep turning out to be
serious, practicing pagans with a serious religious observance scheduled
every seven to eight minutes--not that there's anything inherently wrong
with pagans, but it doesn't seem to leave much room in their lives for
anyone who isn't a pagan.

Trygve    (What's a atheist to do?)
From: ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Spring Fever or what?
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:21:39 GMT
Organization: soc.singles

intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:
> Okay, it finally happened.  I just went over the edge.  I made a
> puppet of my hand like that crazy old guy on Ed Sullivan used to do.
> She's got lovely and I mean *lovely* turquoise eyes and long black
> eyelashes and a sweet pink mouth.  Shall I name her?  Or just wash
> her off?

     Wash her off?!  Let's see if we can get
her messed up first.

--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: pnichols@ra.csc.ti.com
Subject: Re: Do You Remember - early '60s edition
Keywords: Way too young.
Organization: Texas Instruments.  Don't mess with us.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:36:23 GMT

	Not really, but I do remember rubik's cubes, hula hoops, and big yellow
Oldsmobiles.  And Tootsie Rolls did seem to taste better.  But I guess they've
always been like that.....


		-Paul "Gee, what was it like when YOU were a kid, huh, huh? Nichols.


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: mcregor@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Meloney Cregor)
Subject: Re: want-sex(women) < want-sex(men)
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.204111.25615@morrow.stanford.edu> FA.TJM@forsythe.stanford.edu (thom mckean) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.064258.841@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> userisra@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
>(Mark Israel) writes:
>>

>Mel and Valerie have offered themselves as counterexamples?  What,
>is this some strange tribal/diner ritual?

Yes.  Dessert anyone?

Or is this like the sacrificial virgin thing?  In which case, I do believes
you is outta luck.

(pensively eating her pear, reflectiving on life, love the universe and
tribal customs....)


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: Peeking through the curtain
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:18:26 GMT
Organization: QQQCLC

In article <ku96blINN6h0@news.bbn.com> dhardin@spcink.bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In article <v_sjz8p.barry@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>>	What game is she playing, Fred? She sounds like a victim to me.
>>She was lied to and seduced, and when she discovers this she takes
>>revenge. You've given me more reason to believe she was hurt and angry
>>than that she's playing a game. Why do you feel it was a game?
>
>Maybe I'm completely missing your point here, Kenn.

	I fear you are, yes.

>She's no longer
>a victim because she took her revenge on the WRONG person.  The guy's
>wife didn't lie to her, seduce her, or do anything except exist.

	I tried to make it clear I agreed she was in the wrong to
make such calls. What I was doubting was the motive assigned to
her actions by Fred. However misdirected, it _sounds_ to me like
an attempt at revenge, and I can't make out why Fred felt she
was playing a game.

>I think Kenn was trying to make some point about Fred not being consistent,
>but if so, then please try again because I didn't get it.

	I was making no point, I am honestly confused. As is normal
for people, Fred's report about his roommate mixes fact and opinion;
I don't understand how the facts recounted lead to the opinion he
expressed of his former roommate, that's all.

-  From the Crow's Nest  -                Kenn Barry
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