From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Seeking Bush atheism quotation reference
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:33:51 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

>here (or maybe in a .sig or .plan).  He expressed that "atheists should [not]
>be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots."

This should be put into a FAQ somewhere.  Oops, it already is, on
alt.atheism FAQ, says the comment somewhere below.

From: dougm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Clarification of Thomas remarks
Date: 14 Oct 91 13:29:19 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

It seems Bush thought Judge Thomas was saying he would be a hanging
judge when the man apparantly was saying he was a hung judge.


D.M.
 
***************************************************************


"People must be free to work, to save, to own their own home, to
take risks, to invest in each other and, in essence, to control
their own lives."
                                        Pres. George Bush


"I don't know that athiests should be considered citizens, nor
should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."
					Pres. George Bush


"If we don't succeed, we risk failure."
					J. Danforth Quayle
From: dougm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Bush quote
Date: 16 Oct 91 13:21:52 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

The reference to that quote, seen again below, is Free Enquiry
magazine, Fall 1988.



 
***************************************************************


"People must be free to work, to save, to own their own home, to
take risks, to invest in each other and, in essence, to control
their own lives."
                                        Pres. George Bush


"I don't know that athiests should be considered citizens, nor
should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."
					Pres. George Bush


"If we don't succeed, we risk failure."
					J. Danforth Quayle
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Bush quote
Date: 16 Oct 91 20:29:45 GMT
Organization: The Witherspoon Excludables

In <Dm8V05w164w@dogear.spk.wa.us>, bobk@dogear.spk.ws.us stated:
>beatty@gold.nlm.nih.gov (Charles Beatty) writes:
>
>> In article <1991Oct14.082919.34476@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, dougm@kuhub.cc.ukans.
>> |> 
>> |> "I don't know that athiests should be considered citizens, nor
>> |> should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."
>> |> 					Pres. George Bush
>> 
>> Can you provide a reference for this quote?
>
>I'd like to see that too.

I ran a Nexis search and found support.  UPI reported on May 8, 1989
that various atheist organizations were still angry over the remarks
above (quoted accurately, I note).  Bush made the comments during a
campaign stop on August 27, 1988 at (ironically) O'Hare airport in an
exchange with Robert Sherman, chief spokesman for American Atheists.

-- 
	      Hey, who put this pubic hair on my Court?

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
From: constant@helios.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Drug war samaritans
Date: 15 Nov 91 00:02:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1991Nov14.184639.27875@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> app45293@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ALMIGHTY ZUSS) writes:
>dougm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>
>>"I don't know that athiests should be considered citizens, nor
>>should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."
>>					Pres. George Bush
>
>  Is this quote for real????????!!!!!!
>
>
>--
>ZUSS

Unfortunately, yes. I have a transcript of the interview at home, but it went
something like this: (It took place during Bush's 88 campaign, at a press
conference at O'Hare Airport)

Reporter for the American Athiest magazine, Rob Sherman: "Mr. President,
     what will you do to gain the votes of American citizens who are
     Athiests?"
George Bush: "Well, I don't really have a strong interest in Athiests. Faith
     in god is pretty important to me."
RS: "But you do believe that Athiests should have the same rights as other
     citizens?"
GB: "I don't know that Athiests should be considered citizens, nor should
     they be considered patriots. This is one nation under god."

After this quote was made, many attempts by American Athiests (the 
organization that lobbies for church-state separation) and other (non)citizens
were made to allow the White House to retract this statement. Apparently this
IS the Administration's policy on Athiests.

....The Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave...

Tino
--
"We don't see much of Charlie Brown anymore.
 He went to jail for killing Lucy, that whore.    
 Linus is drunk, Schroeder's a punk,               --Beefsteak,
 And Sally gets paid swallowing spunk!"              "Charlie Brown Stain"
From: dougm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Sound-bite Mein Kampf
Date: 8 Jan 92 14:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


     In a sort of sound-bite Mein Kampf, George Herbert Walker Bush revealed
both his personal view of American politics and his entire domestic agenda:

          "I'm certainly going into this as a dog-eat-dog fight, and
          I will do what I have to do to be re-elected."
                                                       -G.Bush*

     Let me be the first to nominate him for an Official Point O' Lite Award
(Form 5226183) for his candid appraisal of American democracy and for taking
the lead in defining a new world order for individual integrity.  Thanks for
the warning, George.

* NEWSWEEK January 13, 1991, p.17.
From: dougm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Pearls of wisdom from the leader
Date: 23 Jan 92 16:14:40 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Some Bush quotes from the latest NEWSWEEK (January 27, 1991, p.
18-19).

  On the recession:  "The guy over there at Pease -- a woman, actually
-- she said something about a country-Western song, you know, about
the train, a light at the end of the tunnel, I only hope it's not a
train coming the other way.  Well, I said to her, well, I'm a
country-music fan.  I love it, always have.  Doesn't fit the mold of
some of the columnists, I might add, but nevertheless -- of what they
think I ought to fit in, but I love it... But nevertheless, I said to
them you know there's another one the Nitty Ditty Nitty City -- that
they did.  And it says if you want to see a rainbow you've got to
stand a little rain.  We've had a little rain.  New Hampshire has had
too much rain.  A lot of families are hurting."

  On having faith:  "Somebody said ... we prayed for you over there.
That was not just because I threw up on the prime minister of Japan
either.  Where was he when I needed him?  But I said, Let me tell you
something.  And I say this -- I don't know whether any ministers from
the Episcopal Church are here.  I hope so.  But I said to him this.
You're on to something here.  You cannot be president of the United
States if you don't have faith.  Remember Lincoln, going to his knees
in times of trial in the Civil War and all that stuff?  You can't be.
And we are blessed."

  His wife:  "Everybody's talking about where's Barbara, we miss her
very, very much.  And I told her I didn't need her here, I was not
going to throw up.  How many people here have had the flu? ... I'd
like a loan because it cost a lot to dry-clean a suit over there in
Japan and the prime minister had a nice expensive one."

  His health:  "So don't feel sorry for -- don't cry for me,
Argentina.  We've got problems ... and I am blessed by good health."

  His opponents:  "I am sick and tired ... of these carping little
liberal Democrats jumping all over my you-know-what."

  On Extending unemployment benefits:  "If a frog had wings, he
wouldn't hit his tail on the ground.  'If.'  Too hypothetical."
From: hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Accuracy of Yale's anti-drug info
Date: 30 Jan 92 06:05:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

I think the statement that MJ "may" cause memory impairment for
3-6 months to be about on the order of saying there may be a god.
There is no evidence for either statement.  Why not ask the Yale
people who purvey this stuff for THEIR references?

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
"You cannot be president of the United States if you don't have faith.
Remember Lincoln, going to his knees in times of trial and the Civil War
and all that stuff.  You can't be.  And we are blessed.  So don't feel
sorry for -- don't cry for me, Argentina."	-- Geo. Bush, 15-Jan-92
From: frederik@leland.Stanford.EDU (Frederik MAES)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Pledge of Allegiance
Date: 6 Feb 92 01:26:09 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <1992Feb4.062751.3267@leland.Stanford.EDU>, enders@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Franz Enders) writes:
|> 
|> "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America [...]"
|> 
|> Pledging allegiance to a _flag_ sounds definitely fascist to me.
|> What is the opinion here about this?
|> I want to stress that I don't say that all Americans are fascists or
|> anything like that.
|> I am asking this, because the flag cult during the 20s, 30s, and 40s in
|> Germany immediately popped up in my mind when I first read the pledge
|> of allegiance. "Die Fahne hoch", "Blutfahne", ...
|> 
|> What I suspect is that the fact that I'm horrified by reading this
|> sentence, while others don't have problems with saying it every day is
|> due to cultural and historical differences between Germany and the US.
|> 
|> Thomas						enders@leland.stanford.edu
|> ---

Something else that struck me , in the same context :
	
	" America has won the cold war. "
	" America is the leader of the West, that has become the leader 
  	  of the world. "

	George Bush, State of the Union

	(reaction of Congress : cheering on all benches)


This sounds rather scary to me, but very natural to most Americans, it seems. 

Frederik Maes
frederik@leland.stanford.edu
From: cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: need bush "atheist/patriot" quote/source
Date: 8 Feb 92 02:54:19 GMT
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Got the info; thanks to all that responded.  In a nutshell, here it is:


     President Bush made the comments during a campaign stop on August 27,
     1988 at O'Hare airport.  He spoke with Robert Sherman, chief spokesman
     for American Atheists:

     RS: "Mr. President, what will you do to win the votes of Americans
          who are Atheists?"

     GB: "I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community.  Faith in
          God is pretty important to me."

     RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of
          Americans who are atheists?"

     GB: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
          nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under
          God."

     UPI reported on May 8, 1989 that various atheist organizations were still
     angry over the remarks.

     The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday Feb 27,
     1989.

-from the a.atheists faq.

-vince
From: aberman@cs.washington.edu (Andrew Berman)
Newsgroups: rec.humor,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Starting a List of Bush Quotes
Date: 1 Mar 92 21:54:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


Well, he's a starting list, culled from the New Republic and Doonesbury.
I'd appreciate any additional ones mailed to me.  I'll update the list
and repost in a few weeks.

Enjoy!



"I think there were some differences, there's no question, and will
still be. We're talking about a major, major situation here that
requires constant work.  But it was well worth it and there's much
more to it than just this- I mean just these sixteen accomplishments
or whatever: I mean, we've got a major rapport- relationship of
economics, major in the security, and all of that, we should not lose
sight of."
	--1/10/92 to reporters, on his trip to Japan

"Please don't look at the part of the glass that is only half full."
	--11/6/91

"No you're not going to see me stay put... I am not going to forsake
my responsibilities. You may not see me put as much- I mean, un-put
as much"
	--11/8/91

"You cannot be president of the United States of you don't have faith.
Remember Lincoln, going to his knees in times of trial and the Civil
War and all that stuff. You can't be. And we are blessed. So don't
feel sorry for- don't cry for me, Argentina."
	--1/15/92


"I think I've got to do better in making clear what the message is,
and I think I can do better. But I think there's so much noise out
there that I've got to figure out how to make it clearer that we are
for the things that I have advocated that would help."
	-2/18/91

"Your dedication and tireless work with the hostage thing, with
Central America, really give me cause for great pride in you and
thanks. Get some turkey, George Bush."  
-- Vice President George Bush in a written expression of gratitude to
Oliver North, circa Thanksgiving 1985. Read by North during his
interview with Ted Koppel on "Nightline," 10/22/91


"I don't want to just sit here blaming Congress. I mean, we're all
in this together." --President Bush, 11/20/91 to news anchor Bill
Stuart of KCNC-TV, Denver.
"I think the Congress should be blamed." --several minutes later,
to Warner Saunders of WMAQ-TV, Chicago.

"If a frog had wings, he wouldn't hit his tail on the ground. 'If.'
 Too hypothetical."



"And let me say in conclusion, thanks for the kids.  I learned an
awful lot about bathtub toys-- about how to work the telephone. One
guy knows- several of them know their own phone numbers- preparation
to go to the dentist. A lot of things I'd forgotten. So it's been a
good day." - January 21, at a Head Start center in Catonsville,
Maryland




"The guy over there at Pease - a woman actually - she said something about a
 country-western song about the train, a light at the end of the tunnel...
 I only hope it's not a train coming the other way. Well, I said to her, well,
 I'm a country music fan. I love it, always have. Doesn't fit the mold of some
 of the columnists, I might add, but nevertheless - of what they think I ought
 to fit in, but I love it.  You should have been with me at the c.m.a. awards
 at Nashville. But nevertheless, I said to them there's another one that the
 Nitty Ditty Nitty Gritty Great Bird - and it says if you want to see a rainbow
 you've got to stand a little rain. We've had a little rain. New Hampshire
 has had too much rain."

"And so I do understand New Hampshire because I have this wonderfully warm
 feeling that New Hampshire feels exactly the way we do on these questions of
 family values and faith.  Somebody said to me, we prayed for you over there. 
 That was not just because I threw up on the Prime Minister of Japan, either.
 Where was he when I needed him? I said, let me tell you something. And I say 
 this - I don't know whether any ministers from the episcopal church are here -
 I hope so. But I said to him this: You're on to something here.  You cannot
 be President of the United States if you don't have faith.  It's been great.
 I'll go back to Washington all fired up for tomorrow and tackle the President
 or the Prime Minister of this or the Governor of that coming in. But I'll
 have this heartbeat..."


-- 
Andrew P. Berman           |  We're going to have the best-educated American
Dept. of Computer Science  |  people in the world. 
University of Washington   |  -- Dan Quayle
aberman@cs.washington.edu  |