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From: perobert%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Paul Roberts)
Subject: Re: An Outrage
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:34:42 MST
Reply-To: ricks%berkeley.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group

In article <BxxC9o.MpL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP) writes:
|> 
|> >The Utes lost 6 players from last year.  Four of them transfered due to lack
|> >of playing time.  Also there is question as to the ability of Josh Grant to
|> >come back after his knee surgery and sitting out  all of last year.  Coach
|> >Majerus also booted Silas Mills (6'7" forward from Milwaukee) for "team 
|> >violations" (i.e. skipping class).  Here are the remainder of the Utes:
|> 
|> 	Here's a question to U for U Utah fans -- what ever happened to
|> 	super recruit Thomas Wyatt?  I seem to remember he comitted to
|> 	the Utes out of high school (here in Illinois), but I never saw
|> 	what happened to him afterwards (he did sit out his 1st year due
|> 	to Prop 48).  What's the development here?
|> 
|> 	Jazzy J
|> 
|> -- 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |   " I try to discover a little something to make me sweeter..."   --Erasure |
|> |   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana |
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

He is one of the four mentioned above who transfered because of lack
of playing time.

-Pablo
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Most Overated Coaches
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:28:12 GMT


In article <1992Nov23.163531.10709@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
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|> From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
|> Subject: Re: Most Overated Coaches
|> Message-ID: <1992Nov23.163531.10709@ee.gatech.edu>
|> Sender: news@ee.gatech.edu
|> Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
|> Organization: Sun Microsystems
|> References: <1992Nov23.054815.24530@penet.fi>
|> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:35:31 GMT
|> Lines: 17
|> 
|> In article 24530@penet.fi, an158@anon.penet.fi (Zoro) writes:
|> >|Who are they? My vote goes to Dale Brown. He is a great recruiter, but
|> >|
|> 
|> How about Billy Tubbs, Bill Frieder, Lou Henson, and Tom Davis.

Hmm... Seems to me 2 of those have been in the final four in the last five 
years, Frieder put together a team which then won the tourney, and Dr. Tom
made it to the final 8. My problem with this type of thread, is the "he is
a great recruiter but lousy game coach" line.  Lou did a great job in 
getting Battle, Gill, Anderson, Bardo, Liberty, and Hamilton on the team, and
then prepared and coached them well enough to make the final 4.  Some would
say, another coach would have won with that team... but could another coach
put that team together in the first place?  In college basketball, recruiting
is another skill that is part of the package.  You also need to be able to
handle the troops. The players listed above may not have lasted under say,
Knight. Knight succeeds by recruiting the players that fit his system and 
style. In the final analysis, a coach should be judged by how well his program
does. All five of the above have guided consistently successful teams.  How
can you argue with that?  Getting the most out of little talent means you are
too feeble of a recruiter, and can compensate well. 

Murph


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Women's Basketball?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:56:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <BxxrzH.8yE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum) writes:
>and others) have tried to explain our perspectives to her, but
>she wants unbiased opinions of total strangers.
>
   Feeling rather unbiased at the time (I've covered both men's and women's
   basketball at UWM for over 3 years), here's my views. Generally, men's
   basketball is just more exicting to me. The slams, alley-oops, big-time
   rejections, no-look and behind the back passes are the most exciting parts 
   of the game IMO. In most women's games, you just don't see too much of
   this. Also the speed of the game is much slower. Not as much quickness on
   the floor at women's games. I've seen some great players and great games
   covering the women, but IMO they're just not as exciting. 

   Lastly (risking great flamability here), I think it takes a little luster
   off watching the game if you feel like you could go out there and be one
   of the better players on the court. Obviously this isn't the case at some
   of the powerhouse schools, but you could probably take five guys who play
   regularly up at the school gym and they could beat the women's team.

   --salty


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From: franklir@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ryan J Franklin )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,alt.licker.store
Subject: Re: Kareem Follows Walton On Road To Infamy
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:34:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.licker.store,alt.mcdonalds.smut
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov16.202102.29869@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>
>It all depends.  DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM! explains the existence
>of aboriginal idols as the attempt of the subconscious "Twinkie
>Drive" ( which is revealed in all its splendour in lemurkind,
>as pointed out by franklir@gas.uug.arizona.edu) to subjugate
>and control the forces which keep it from acquiring its
>most basic need.  There is also evidence linking it to the
>desire for cheese comestibles though this is unclear.

What you're talking about there is the "Cheese Puff Addiction Theory"
suggested by Dr. E. Presley of the South Dakota Chiropodist's Association.
However, Dr. Presley's theory has not been borne out by other researchers
in the field, all of whom say that the loris is the only prosimian who
prefers Chee-tos to sex, and go on to say that they'd prefer to do their
research somewhere with a roof, because it rains out in the fields quite
a bit at this time of year.

ObCollegeBasketballRumor:  People on this campus are willing to pay as much
as $150 for a paired set of season A tickets to the basketball games.
(Actual price, $56.)

>ObMcdonaldsSmut: McDonalds is attempting to destroy the natural
>and beautiful Twinkie Drive in all human beings and lemurs too,
>though the latter is more difficult because lemurs do not usually
>frequent the Madagascar McDonalds.

Lemurs NEVER frequent the Madagascar McDonald's, not after that incident
last July.  All I can say is, never startle a lemur who's standing over
the french fry maker.  It makes a real mess.

--
The story you have just read | "By the time they got the elevator going an
is true.  Only the names are |  hour later, I had dead bodies all around
changed to protect Ryan, and |  me--and man, that just wasn't any fun at all."
franklir@gas.uug.arizona.edu |     'Cheap Perfume Kills 6!'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Illini Recruiting News: Hamilton to sign...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:45:19 GMT

In article <SINGH.92Nov19032510@julius.cs.uiuc.edu> singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh) writes:
>|> jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (David Ogden Stiers' Love Child) said:
>
>|>   Say it ain't so, somebody!  Can't we send
>|>   him someplace more appropriate for his
>|>   intelligence and attitude?
>|> 
>|>   Iowa, perhaps?
>
>What exactly is the bad rap on this guy?

	He's extremely overweight, has a poor work ethic, and likes to
	grouse with officials on the court.  He has a good shot, however...
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Most Overated Coaches
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:02:12 GMT

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Yeah, but then again they won two final-second games against Purdue.  You
>win some, you lose some.

>I have seen no evidence that Lou is any worse or better that my alma
>mater's coach, smilin' Gene Keady.  In fact, Lou has made it to the Final 4
>with a team that should have gotten there.  Purdue had 2 teams which should
>have gotten there, and didn't.  But then again, Purdue has not had the
>colossal upsets against them that Illinois has had.

	U'd probably find plenty of people who think Keady is a great coach.
	I mean, who else could have gotten Big-10 MVPs out of the likes of
	Jim Rowinski and Steve Scheffler?  With the talent he's had, Keady
	does a great job (very similar to Henson).

	Jazzy J
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From: JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: I don't wanna miss this...
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:34:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


 Anyone, please, help! There is no way I can see the Duke v. Michigan game
 unless I drive 200 miles to pick up a Raycom station. I'd be willing to send
 someone in Raycom-land a videotape! Let me know if anyone would like to make
 an offer.




         ************************************************
         * PSU-Hazleton  |  Go Duke!   |    Jim Bonczek *
         * JJB146@      / Make it three \ psuvm.psu.edu *
         *            /  in New Orleans!  \             *
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From: duane@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Duane Cripe)
Subject: Purdue scholarships
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:22:05 GMT

><Waddell struggled a bit.  Painter and Darner were pretty much none factors 
><once the game got going. Foster is out of his league, even against the Hustlers.
>>I don't mean to sound cold, however, why is Keady granting scholarships to
>>Painter & Darner?  I have never been impressed with their play, and I don't
>>see how they are going to positively impact the team.

>>Duane Cripe

>Come on, Duane!  Scholarships are not a year-to-year thing.  When you
>recruit a player, you essentially promise him a 4-year scholarship.  Sure,
>you can encourage them to go elsewhere, or kick them off the team if they
>are a bad influence, but geeesh!
>
>Darner does make a positive impact, or at least he has in the past.  When
>Purdue started playing better at the end of last year, it was with Darner
>at the point guard.  Darner still can shoot at times, and he has the
>classic "coach's son" mentality.  He may not be as athletic as the other
>guys, but I think he's a good player to have on the team, to get things
>going when nothing seems to be working.
>
>Painter, I agree, has not amounted to a hill of beans (only a bit more than
>McNary so far :^) ).  He did play well in the 2nd game against IU last
>year, which if you remember ended up as an upset win in Mackey.  Without
>him, I don't think Purdue would have won that game.
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Ok...ok, I should have also explained that at least the Purdue games I saw 
on TV down here in Texas, neither Darner nor Painter impressed me - or maybe
Woody Austin's performance just made it more apparent.  I never stated I was
perfect!, consequently, I sit corrected by the folks who have more visibility!

BTW, when is Purdue going to play the University of Texas in basketball??  
We owe them a BIG one for that NCAA tournament loss.
-- 
Duane Cripe
Austin, TX

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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,alt.licker.store
Subject: Re: Kareem Follows Walton On Road To Infamy
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:21:02 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov16.191452.1391@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.060847.16464@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  
>gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>> 
>

It all depends.  DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM! explains the existence
of aboriginal idols as the attempt of the subconscious "Twinkie
Drive" ( which is revealed in all its splendour in lemurkind,
as pointed out by franklir@gas.uug.arizona.edu) to subjugate
and control the forces which keep it from acquiring its
most basic need.  There is also evidence linking it to the
desire for cheese comestibles though this is unclear.

ObCollegeBasketball: What about Basketweaving? Why not throw
balls at Bastetweavers?
ObCollegeFootball: The countdown begins...5 days until UA/ASU game...
Whoops!  A heat shield fell off!  Delay the game until next July!
ObRyanResponse: Oh, bite me, it's [INSERT ADJECTIVE HERE]
ObOb: Ob Ob Ob Ob Ob-a ran.
ObMcdonaldsSmut: McDonalds is attempting to destroy the natural
and beautiful Twinkie Drive in all human beings and lemurs too,
though the latter is more difficult because lemurs do not usually
frequent the Madagascar McDonalds.

	Jason
"By the time the elevator started again, I was surrounded by
dead bodies, and man, that wasn't any fun at all!"
	--Weekly World News, Nov 17, 1992
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: UK-Texas Western (was: Another All-Time team
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:49:02 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Rick Grubin writes:
>
>
>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>	Dampier was a legendary long-range shooter, from what I recall in
>>	his old ABA days.  He hit something like 37% -- from ABA 3-pt
>>	range, which was something like 27 feet
>
>The ABA 3pt line was never anything like 27 feet.  It was much like
>what you see in the NBA today, as that is where the NBA grabbed it
>from after the merger.  Granted, shooters like Dampier and Ron Boone
>and Bird Averitt (etc. etc.) shot rather well from the 3pt line, but
>it was never from 27 feet (more like 23' 9" or so).
>
Dampier was the best shooter I ever rooted for, and almost the best guard
I ever saw shoot. (Bird, at his best, was far and away the best shooter
I've ever seen. Larry, that is.) I'm trying to remember the 
name of the guard from Providence, early to mid-70s, who had a practically
a flat footed set shot. Better memories, please.

There was also a Kansas guard, real early 70s, who used to be 
uncanny at turning quickly to the basket from the top of the key
and letting fly practically blind...my memory says Chucky White,
but I don't think that's true.

After awhile, you've got to start breaking down shooting to who
could shoot from where. Jerry Lucas was the best hook shot artist,
even better than Kareem. Bernard King was the best from about
7 ft to the side of the basket. Dead corner shooting belongs
to Lynn Shackleford. We're talking college game, of course.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> My bad.
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Consensus top 20, Updated (why not Top 25?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:03:10 GMT

In article <7291@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>  I thought it might be interesting to average out the rankings of the major
> sports mags and polls top 20. 
> 
> Consensus Top 20 (Inside Sports, Collegiate Sports, Bball Digest, Vitale,
> 		  Street & Smith, Sporting News, NCAA Preview, Mike Warren,
> 		  Game Plan, Sport, USA Today, AP, Basketball Weekly)


	That was nice, but pray tell us why didn't you choose to go
	with the "normal" procedure of reporting Top 25 ????
	Why this "Top 20" concensus only ?

	Maybe cuz UMASS!!! would have figured at "# 25" ??
	;-) ;-)

> 
> Scoring: 20 pts for #1, 19 pts for #2, etc.
> 
> 1.  Michigan (244 pts)
> 2.  Kansas (239 pts)
> 3.  Indiana (237 pts)
> 4.  Duke (223 pts)
> 5.  Seton Hall (194 pts)
> 6.  Kentucky (188 pts)
> 7.  Florida State (173 pts)
> 8.  UNC (164 pts)
> 9.  Memphis State (155 pts)
> 10. Arizona (137 pts)
> 11. Georgetown (73 pts)
> 12. Oklahoma (65 pts)
> 13. Iowa (54 pts)
> 13. UNLV (54 pts)
> 15. Georgia Tech (49 pts)
> 15. Louisville (49 pts)
> 15. Tulane(49 pts)
> 18. Syracuse (45 pts)
> 19. UConn (40 pts)
> 20. Cincinnati (39 pts)
> 
> Others receiving points: Iowa St (34), Michigan State (33), UCLA (17),
> Nebraska (13), UMASS!!! (13), New Mexico State (11), Mizzou (11), 
> Ohio State (11), Boston College (11), Tennessee (11), UNC-Car-lot (10),
> Auburn (9), Purdue (9), Evansville (7), Georgia, (7), Illinois (6), 
> Arkansas (6), Utah (6),  Alabama (6), BYU (5), Florida (4), 
> Wake Forest (3), Texas (3), James Madison (3), George Washington (3),
> William Henry Harrison (0), Western Kentucky (1)
> 
> 	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
> "Don't worry about the missed free throw, Christian.  We all make mistakes."
> --Richard Nixon to Christian Laettner, after he missed the front end of a 
> one-and-one with one second left, playing Arizona


	rAjAt.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: O'Bannon du Jour
Summary: UCLA beats St. Louis
Keywords: UCLA
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:24:43 GMT


UCLA beat St. Louis last night 68-54 in a first round NIT game.
I listened to the game on the radio.  It was fun to hear Marques
Johnson doing color.  "Back when *I* was a Bruin..."

The next game will be Friday against UTEP at UCLA (9:00 PM PST - 
presumably late for ESPN).

Game Summary:
  St. Louis had 3 players who scored all but 4 of their points.
  They lead by as many as 12 (UCLA opened up a 7-0 lead and then was
  outscored 21-2).  UCLA outscored St. Louis 40-20 in the second half.

  Petruska scored 21.  Edney had (I think) 16.  Tarver did not play
  because he bruised his thigh in a collision with Wunder-Forward 
  Ed O'Bannon in a one-on-one game Tuesday.  Tarver is "hopeful" for 
  Friday's game.

  With Tarver out, walk-on JuCo David(?) Boyle played the last 8 minutes 
  of the game.  UCLA is lean at guard, so it seems like he could
  actually provide a few minutes this year.

  Zidek played (mostly in the first half) and scored a few.  Zimmerman
  had 4 and is quickly fading into zilch.  
  
  O'Bannon also had a weak game (say it ain't so).

  Edney, in an interview after the game, said that the team was still
  out-of-condition and that they needed three weeks to gel last year
  and only had two this year.

  Plus they miss the hugs that Don MacLean gave them in the shower.

-- MM
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Professional Tom Wopat Impersonator)
Subject: Re: 30 sec. clock, 6 fouls, 128 team tourny.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:40:49 GMT

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>In article <97632@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)  
>writes:

>> I preferred the game with no shot clock: I think it was much more
>> exciting than the repetitive run-and-gun which a shot clock encourages.

>Like 12-11 Duke/UNC games where teams hold the ball at half-court for hours?
> I think not.

I'd even like to see it in high school.  I've seen what happens when teams
are allowed to hold the ball like that, and it was an episode I won't forget.
Trust me, the game gets either boring or frustrating without a shot clock.

-- 
Jason A. Lindquist		University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

   linky@uiuc.edu		     "I jam, therefore I am."
						-- S. Pippen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: Who is the worst ref?
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Is this supposed to be funny?>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:43:49 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: lowood@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Henry Lowood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Stanford women start off nice...
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:13:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: lindy.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov23.053059.24171@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>
>TRIPLE PLAY trivia:  Which brother-sister combination played
>quarterback in a bowl game and point guard in the NCAA basketball
>finals for the same school?  Well, you saw the hint.
>


Come on, Gidi, you can do better than that ....

Henry
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Update
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:57:13 GMT

Regular Season:

INDIANA 103, Murray State 80

Exhibition scores compiled:

Penn State 95, Marathon Oil 91
Purdue 101, Lafayette Hustlers AAU 84 (I apparently failed to mention
	that Glenn Robinson scored 33 points and pulled down 17 boards
	in 28 minutes of action in his debut)
Illinois 100, Central Sports Klub of Army, Moscow 97
Indiana 115, Athletes in Action 108
Ohio State 86, Lafayette Hustlers AAU 83
Russian National Team 87, Wisconsin 81
Michigan State 94, Russian National Team 70
Iowa 102, Cuban National Team 66

11-19-92:

Northwestern 96, Finnish National Team 61:  Though the Cats shot less
	than 50% from the floor, they had no trouble with the Fins.  The
	Cats jumped out early 29-11 and were never headed.  Dion Lee
	led NU in scoring with 21 points, followed by returning starters
	Pat Baldwin's 20 and Cedric Nelom's 18...

Michigan 103, Russia-Samara 83:  Michigan was a bit sluggish in the first
	half, but no big deal.  The Fab Five started.  Chris Webber led
	all Michigan scorers with 17 points.  Almost 20,000 in attendance
	at the Palace of Auburn Hills...

11-20-92:

Tulane (1-0) at Indiana (1-0)
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