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From: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Keywords: confession
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:16:36 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <Bxz2s1.3sE@exnet.co.uk> s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands) writes:
>Of late it seems to me that people on bikes have started to believe
>they're pedestrians.  They ride past me on the pavement and they don't
>have lights at night.
>
>It must be months since I saw a bicycle at night with lights.  Is this
>anyone else's experience?
>

This annoys me too, and I'm a cyclist. People cycling without lights deserve
to be squidged, because you're quite simply invisible. I always point this out
to people I see cycling without lights.

However, I have to confess to having ridden on the pavement recently <gasp>
because I had forgotten to bring my lights because I hadn't thought it would
become dark so early. I would dismount if I encountered any pedestrians. I
have to say that I would rather argue with a police officer about cycling on
the pavement than be squidged by a car driver who hadn't seen me...

(Don't worry, I've got my lights with me today)

Dave.--dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk  or  cad129@ccsun.strath.ac.uk {or sthg similar!}-

David Marsh, CS3, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, Scotland, Europe, Earth.
Phone: 44 (UK) 41 5521895x235 weekday lunchtimes only...
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:00:41 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <JC.92Nov20094833@mr-potter-t-crosser-i-dotter.fulcrum.co.uk> jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:

>The number of cars on our roads is continously increasing. Anyone got
>any ideas on what to do with them all?

Just wait. No govt can afford to build enough roads to cope with the
demands of cars, ours is too scared to place any serious restrictions
on car use (since it's one of the few large British industries likely
to surive the Govt's "leaner fitter" slimming diet), and they have
ideological objections to public transport.  Consequently it is just a
matter of time before every major city locks up into gridlock. It's
already happened in some places, e.g., York in the rush hours, and in
many others pedestrians can outpace the traffic in the rush hours.

Then you just have to wait until the drivers abandon their cars
because of starvation etc., and send in the mobile car crushers (these
handy devices don't exist yet, but there's clearly going to be a big
demand for them soon).
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Was: Re: 29 Feb 2000?, Now: 2000/2001
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:42:19 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft) writes:
> But his birthday was apparently Dec 25th; So was AD 1 just a week?  And
> 1 BC was 51 weeks?  Or was AD 1 the whole of the year in which he was
> born?  Or did AD 1 not start until Jan 1st following his birth?  I suppose
> it took them a week or so to get the calendar sorted out - 'Hey, the son
> of god's just been born; we'd better think about reorganising the calendar'.

The idea of having a calendar was invented by the Mayan civilization;
however, they soon gave up the idea because of the difficulty of fixing the
correct date for Christmas, Easter and so on.


mathew
[ This one's definitely false ]
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:39:40 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <FROUD.92Nov19210625@SunLab41.sx.ac.uk>, froud@SunLab41.sx.ac.uk (Froud D D M) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.095709.13507@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
> 
>> Completely ambiguous!  "Twenty one" is short for 1921 or 2021 -- it can't
>>be used for 2001 as well.  (And "Twenty One -- A Space Odyssey" just
>>doesn't have the right ring to it...)
> 
> Yes, but in the year 2001...when someone says "Twenty one" what do you think 
> they will mean? It's not likely that they'll mean 1921 or 2021 will they!
> It's a huge gap of 20/80 years!

Ah yes, but what about when in say 2035 a copper stops a student and asks for
his/her date of birth and they reply 21... do they mean 2001 or '21 (2021),
so it will be a problem, but not for quite a while, easiest way out is 20-0-1
and '21, 20-0-2 and '22 etc. or you could say 20-1, ie leave a pause in the 
way you say it, wouldn't work for people that speak quickly tho!
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From: andy@acorn.co.uk (Andy Ingle)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Cobblers
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:15:52 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

Have you tried the one in that small courtyard of shops (I can't
remember the name) outside the Grafton Centre, near the Ancient Druids
pub?  I've had some fairly basic repairs done there a long time ago and
I'm sure the shop was still there last year.

--Andy
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: Stamp Question 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:04:58 +0000


In article <2183@stalin> nic@uk.co.gec-mrc writes:

>
>A question that been bothering me for a while...
>
>    Why do some charity organisations collect used postage stamps?
>
As they sell them to overseas stamp dealers. Just like our (UK) dealers
buy foreign stamps and then offer nine million foreign stamps for a 1 (well
a slight over-exaggeration).

BTW... used postage stamps can be sent to me at the address below, and they
are sent onto the National Canine Defence League.....


Darren
>

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From: apj003@cch.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley)
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Organization: unorganized
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.160151.30303@rs6000.bham.ac.uk> G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk writes:

>James W Bottomley (apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk) wrote:
>> 
>> Well it works pretty well in places. I suppose the comparison with Coventry
>> is something like Birmingham with the tight curvy inner ring road with
>> thousands of half-crazed drivers hurtling around it with total precision
>> weaving around newcomers wetting themselves with fear...
>> 
>Well, theres a bit (not actually on the Bham ring road) which *everyone* 
>wants to cross from one side of the road to the other. There is always
>total mayhem as you accelerate to beat the person coming into the road
>system on your left. 
>
>For those who know Bham, its the road under the library which goes into 
>New Street and around the Conservatoire.

My fave part of the B'ham roads system is Five-Ways island. For those who
don't know it, this is a truly frighteneing little death-race 2000 
euphemistically described by the road signs as a `roundabout', located
on the junction of the Middle Ring and Hagley Road. It actually succeeds
in making other famous islands like Hanger Lane Gyratory look tame. (IMHO)

Try it in the rush hour with a friend - it's fun!


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham)
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England
	<BxzEpH.HBw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1992Nov23.132752.3500@its.bt.co.uk>
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:56:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.132752.3500@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes:

>   The other enjoyable feature of Brum roads is the ``disappearing lane''.
>   Imagine three lanes at traffic lights, all going straight on. You all
>   start off, jockeying for position, when the lane you're in disappears in
>   the space of 20m. Merging into an artic isn't easy. They're too solid.

	
At least in Birmingham the lane that will disappear is marked with a
curved arrow. In Coventry you get no warning.

Is the curved arrow part of the Highway Code ?


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:38:46 GMT

John Callingham (jc@fulcrum.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <Bxz2s1.3sE@exnet.co.uk> s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands) writes:
: 
: 
: >   Of late it seems to me that people on bikes have started to believe
: >   they're pedestrians.  They ride past me on the pavement and they don't
: >   have lights at night.
: 
: >   It must be months since I saw a bicycle at night with lights.  Is this
: >   anyone else's experience?
: 
: >   I think *I'm* a pedestrian but then I haven't got a bike.
: 
:  
: It is too dangerous for cyclists to ride on roads without bus lanes.
: So cyclists ride on the pavement and make the pavements dangerous for
: pedestrians. Another example of the way that cars are becoming the
: only form of transport for the vast majority.
: 
: The number of cars on our roads is continously increasing. Anyone got
: any ideas on what to do with them all?

Also their drivers appear rather dumb reading road signs, either that
or there are some very odd taxis going down New Street.

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From: eo@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Emma Osman)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Pavements
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: eo@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Emma Osman)
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <JC.92Nov19092339@mr-potter-t-crosser-i-dotter.fulcrum.co.uk> jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:
>Does anyone know the definition of a pavement (the legal one, not the
>dictionary one). I ask because I was nearly run over this morning by a
>car crossing the pavement from a drop kerb to enter a drive. I thought
>I was still on the pavement, but the driver seemed to think that he
>had priority because he was still on the road.

Standard disclaimer follows: I am not an expert on the road rules in this
country.

However, when I was learning to drive in Australia, I was taught
that vehicles *or* pedestrians moving in a straight line always had
right of way over vehicles turning - thus, for example, a pedestrian
crossing the street at the top of a T-junction would have precedence over
a car travelling along the top of the T and wanting to turn down it.
(as in the diagram)


                    ______________________________

               Car  - - - - - - - 
                                  \
                    -----------   \/    ----------
                               |       |
                Pedestrian   - | - - - | - ->
                               |       |


So it shouldn't matter whether you were on the "road" or "pavement" -
you were walking along a right of way where, as a pedestrian, you were
entitled to be and the turning vehicle should have given way.

Emma
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From: d_smith@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Dylan Smith)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Pavements
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:24:24 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <BxyLLI.FFF@dcs.ed.ac.uk> eo@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Emma Osman) writes:
>In article <JC.92Nov19092339@mr-potter-t-crosser-i-dotter.fulcrum.co.uk> jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:

>However, when I was learning to drive in Australia, I was taught
>that vehicles *or* pedestrians moving in a straight line always had
>right of way over vehicles turning - thus, for example, a pedestrian
etc.

I think that's the case - I was always told that pavements were for
pedestrians and therefore if your'e turning into a drive that crosses
a pavement (even if the pavement has lowered bits) pedestrians have
the priority.
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:06:42 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc
Distribution: uk
Organization: Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


In article <CAH.92Nov17192855@fat-controller.bham.ac.uk>
cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:

hi Ceri!

# as it happens Dec. 31 1991 is a Friday

ahem.

             December 1991            December 1999

       S  M Tu  W Th  F  S      S  M Tu  W Th  F  S
       1  2  3  4  5  6  7               1  2  3  4
       8  9 10 11 12 13 14      5  6  7  8  9 10 11
      15 16 17 18 19 20 21     12 13 14 15 16 17 18
      22 23 24 25 26 27 28     19 20 21 22 23 24 25
      29 30 31                 26 27 28 29 30 31

daily, Ken Johnson


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From: guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Was: Re: 29 Feb 2000?; Now: Gregorian Calendar
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:22:31 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

rwb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Bingham) writes:

>In <Bxyurt.F5t@cck.coventry.ac.uk> cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave) writes:

>)>  No I was right the second time. As the 'new' calander wasn't thought up by
>)>  a few people in a pub on 2/9/1752 who thought it would be a good idea to
>)>  wake up the next day on the 13th. The 'new' calander was in planning for
>)>  several years. The transfer was, day after 31/12/1751 is 1/1/1752 and the day
>)>  after 2/9/1752 is 13/9/1752. So it would be the months of January and Febuary
>)>  1751 which would not exist plus the first 24 days of March 1751.
>)>  -- 

>Eh???  They must teach a different form of arithmetic in Coventry to
>that which my school taught me more than 30 years ago... 

>The only missing days I can see there are those between 2/9/1752 and
>13/9/1752, hence the "Give us back our eleven days" protesters.  I
>also understood that the "Twelve Days of Christmas" originated from
>those missing days.

It's not really a question of missing days, it's to do with names
that don't refer to actual days in the calendar.  When the start
of the New Year changed from 25 March to 1 January (which I thought
was at the same time as the calendar change, but which Dave says
was on 1 January 1752) there must have been one "short" year which
didn't contain the dates 1 January to 24 March.  I assumed it
was 1752, but Dave says it was 1751.

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From: clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: change. Time for a
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:24:03 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: IXI Limited, Cambridge, UK

In article <BxMGF3.782@exnet.co.uk> dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon) writes:
>In article <BxLzoC.10A@brunel.ac.uk> cs89rdb@brunel.ac.uk (Roger D Binns) writes:
>>Clive Feather (clive@x.co.uk) wrote:
>>I think that students actually paying for their courses will encourage a wider
>>diversity of courses, at varying ranges of quality and expense.

Note that the quoted words were written by Roger, not me. I didn't write
*anything* quoted in the referenced article.

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: coakley@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Cpl.Flash )
Subject: Peter Dowding
Organization: Coventry University, England
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:11:16 GMT

Does anyone at Norwich Uni know Peter Dowding???

He gave his sister a mailing address but it doesnt seem to be working,
so she asked me (a friend) to get in touch with him.

Cheers
      Garrett
      
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: csg020@cch.coventry.ac.uk (***CURTIS***)
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK.
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:22:39 GMT

In article <BxyvKv.FJ@cck.coventry.ac.uk> cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave) writes:
>In article <BxyJLx.Kpr@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley) writes:
>
>Perhaps that might explain why they are repairing it at the moment. How about
>the walkers (can't spell pedtrastians) who have to cross it every day. Who
>built that really crap bridge near the RM sorting office. So bad that nobody
>used it so the council put up six foot high railings between the carridge ways.
>So you're forced to use that bloody bridge.

Ah, I think it's actually about 7 foot high railings, I'm 6'4" and after
a few dec-jars down the local I can still manage to just about haul
myself over the top of the railings and land splat on the middle of the
west carriage of Coventry Ring Road (which incidentally they arenow ripping
up in the vain attempt of making it look as though they are 'improving' the
ring road)




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From: simpsong@dns0.bham.ac.uk (Glyn Simpson)
Subject: Re: Coventry vs. London/etc (was Re: humor in England)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:01:51 GMT
Distribution: uk
Reply-To: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

James W Bottomley (apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> Well it works pretty well in places. I suppose the comparison with Coventry
> is something like Birmingham with the tight curvy inner ring road with
> thousands of half-crazed drivers hurtling around it with total precision
> weaving around newcomers wetting themselves with fear...
> 
Well, theres a bit (not actually on the Bham ring road) which *everyone* 
wants to cross from one side of the road to the other. There is always
total mayhem as you accelerate to beat the person coming into the road
system on your left. 

For those who know Bham, its the road under the library which goes into 
New Street and around the Conservatoire.

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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Pavements
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:25:04 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:
> Does anyone know the definition of a pavement (the legal one, not the
> dictionary one). I ask because I was nearly run over this morning by a
> car crossing the pavement from a drop kerb to enter a drive. I thought
> I was still on the pavement, but the driver seemed to think that he
> had priority because he was still on the road.

Er, pedestrians have right of way at all times.


mathew
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:39:20 GMT
	<OKES.92Nov11203051@SunLab40.essex.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov17.135337.8701@memex.co.uk>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: peter@memex.co.uk's message of 17 Nov 92 13:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.135337.8701@memex.co.uk> peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve) writes:

   People who live in really old listed buildings (in Oxford or otherwise)
   may already have windows that were bricked up to avoid the Window Tax.
   The answer for them is to unbrick them and cover the hole with fibreglass
   sheet, transparent to radio waves. The sheet could be painted to match the
   original. Then fit the dish in the space behind, building a cupboard into
   the room behind as necessary.

Why not save all this hassle and get the satellite telly - why anyone
would want this mindless rubbish is beyond me - delivered through a
fiber-optic cable? [Yes, I know that cable TV is in its infancy, but
it's time to put a stop to the proliferation of these naff and
unsightly satellite pdishes.]

		Jim
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:11:24 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

>: 
>: The number of cars on our roads is continously increasing. Anyone got
>: any ideas on what to do with them all?
>

Disincentives
-------------
1)	Instigate some sort of car tax - maybe 5-10% !!
2)	Increase petrol prices to the point where people actually consider that
	a journey costs a lot of dosh. I recommend about 10 pounds a gallon/2
	pounds per litre.
3)	Disallow credit at petrol stations. Helps enforce point 2 above.
4)	Charge for entry into cities by car. (Although this will just increase
	greensite malls.)
5)	Freight by rail.

Incentives
----------
1)	Offer incentives for people to *not* use a car to go to work, ie 10p a
	mile if you walk/cycle/bus/train to work.
2)	Change *all* dual carriageways into cities into 1 bus/cycle lane, plus
	one car lane. This would make cycling a little safer, and would keep
	more cyclists off the pavement. Also makes car commuting less pleasant.
3)	Relocation to be automatically offered for new employees living more
	10 miles away, on condition that they move within 10 miles, *and* use
	some alternative form of transport to the car.
4)	Encourage car-sharing (a la USA car pool lanes on the highways for
	vehicles with 4 people in).
5)	Promote motorcycles as an alternative form of motorised transport.
	Possibly no VAT, or similar reduction in cost.

Me? Extreme? Never.

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