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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To President Bush.
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:21:30 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

> President Bush:
> ....You know how many eyes are watching you... expecting miracles to happen..
> A christian

The interesting thing is that the man who posted this "letter to Bush" was
among the first to announce to the netters that the Bill was signed into law.
It's hard to understand why he did so.
From: fred@sun4.mie.clarkson.edu (Shaotong Sang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Test
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:44:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun4.fred.719117051
Organization: Clarkson University

This is a test file.
From: junlu@engr.latech.edu (Lu, Jun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Ottawa LYH Newsletter #9
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: junlu@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

Yi-Ding Lu, I am looking for you badly for more than a year!
I am Lu,Jun.. Still remember me?!
Where are YOU?
If you get this message, send me a mail please..
My mail address is "junlu@engr.latech.edu"..
I can hardly afford another year without hearing from you!
(Keep in mind that you and I are from Jiaotong University!)
Hope you can see this message..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:58:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.055241.9170@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu  
(Chang-ning Qu) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.225536.27862@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct6.184002.15132@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> >> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >> 
> >> >In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
> >writes:
> >> >> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
> >> >> 
> >> >> >What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
> >> >> >needs neither of them.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.
> >> 
> >> >Yes, there are always these two kinds of people, ultra-leftests and  
> >> >ultra-rightests, just like there are always beggars, prostitutes and  
> >> >religiously crazy people in a society. But this does not mean these  
people  
> >are  
> >> >the treasure of a society.
> >> 
> >> >Carl
> >> 
> >> Then go back to China and turn down the temple of Yue Fei.
> >
> >I am not a ultra-rightist. Why bother to burn the temple down? It is a good  
> >place to suck tourists' money. It is also a place to ask people like Steve  
Lin  
> >to pay 3 times as much as a Chinese does. Why should we burn it down? Only  
> >stupid ultra-rightists will probably do this. To me, Temple of Yue Fei is as  
> >same as Shao4 Lin2 Shi4 (Shaolin Temple).
> >
> >Carl
> 
> 
>      Sounds from a real businessman. Any way, money is entirely
>      bad thing. I just wonder if Mr. Lin has really interests 
>      in going and seeing Yue Fei's Temple. 

Well, you sound pretty pure. Is money entirely bad thing? Can you do without  
it? You sound like Lei Feng. But, having dealt with too many people in China  
who trumpet "money is bad thing" while greedily dig money everywhere, I can  
imagine what kind of people your honor are. Why not be a little bit more  
realistic, sir? (maybe you are already too realistic in your heart).

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:11:28 GMT

In article <BvysyA.Gu1@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>
>>> There are still a lot of space for people to handle this LAW. If it were
>>> enacted, I suggest that ALL the capable beneficiaries apply for it if
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> necessary.  In doing so, the real opportunists would get less chance to
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> take the advantage of the other people.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>No moral problem exists under certain circumstances.

  That's a challenge to Eddie.
 
>>    Seriously, Zhiqi, what is the purpose of your life?  To squeeze fellow
>
>I really can't answer your question by giving your an obscure response.
>It is a ten-day topic. But my purpose is not "to gain for myself BY 
>WHATEVER MEANS." 

  Switching working units is enough to achieve the purpose.

>>Chinese with different opinions?
>
>The article of 68692 by another netter can give you a hint. People should
>get what they deserve to get. My underlined statements above also gave you
>a SATISFACTORY answer. :-) Your accuse of me is too wide to be anything
>again, I have no difficulty blaming those people who deserve to be blamed.
>:-)

  Somehow you like to giggle now though you complained others smiling.

-ping

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28010 soc.culture.taiwan:14444 soc.culture.hongkong:12627
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:00:10 GMT
Organization: UB

From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
>
>>>Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
>>>close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>>>close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>>>what Taiwan is now.
>>
>>That is interesting.  My dog thinks (I think) something similar to
>>that that he is much better off being an American dog than being those
>>dying Somalian.  Fortunately, Taiwanese (Chinese in general) have
>>something that my dog doesn't, dignity.
>>
>>Chuan Lee
>
>May be in your point of view, Japanese don't have any dignity since they
>have received so much aids form U.S. even their constitutions. But where is
>Chinese dignity now when the Japan's emperor is going to visit China and
>the government tried to surpress Chinese people to request compensates from
>Japan for their crimes committed during WWII.
>Can you see any of your dignity in China when billions of foreign dollars
>flooded in to buy ..., etc., etc. ?
>Of cause you can keep your dignity for yourself, but when you compare with
>other people, oh boy, you will find out how '....', you are.
>So, my point is it doesn't matther how you look at yourself, the most
>important is how would other people look upon you.
>
 
I know your point. But what we live for is not just much money or high
technology.  If we are ruled by US or Japan, we will lose a lot of treasure
things like culture, thoughts, freedom, happiness, ..., and diginity.  You
won't be happy if you are ruled by someone else.  I know Japan and US have high
technology and living standard.  Maybe Taiwan is not as good as them now.  But
we can pick up some good things from them to improve Taiwan.  I believe Taiwan
is not to bad right now. Most of Taiwanese like to live in her/his own land
with her/his own style.
 
For example:  A girl can get married with a very rich man to be his second or
third wife.  Eventually she will understand that she has nothing but money.
Will she be happy?
 

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.192457.7436@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang) writes...
>reduce the illiteracy (sp?) rate to almost zero. I don't think it's a shame
-------------------------------------------------

According to Centrel Dairy, Taiwan 's illiteary is 10%, and Mainland's is 
20-30%.


>not wining the math olympic (btw, does anybody know whether any students
                              --------------------------------------------
>from Taiwan actually attended the competetion?).  Letting everybody have
-------------------------------------------------
Yes, they attend the competetion. Their position was 17th or something.


>the chance to receive education seems to me more important than finding
>out some superstars and spending lots of money on them.  (Of course, if
>the budget allows, I don't mind seeing some Nobel winners from Taiwan:-)
> 
>--
>DerShung Yang    
>yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
>Beckman Institute
>Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

YZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Old thread
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:13:15 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


I lost the list of references concerning the report on the POWs in the
Korean war. If any one still has the list, plase e-mail to me.
And, for the books published in US about this, please also e-mail to me.


Best Regards, Ty

-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Origin of Aloha
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:14:32 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <YHUANG.92Oct8130433@bishop.ics.hawaii.edu> yhuang@bishop.ics.hawaii.edu (Ye Huang ) writes:
>
>
>Mr. Pan (From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)) showed:
>
>   In article <BvoFqz.1Dt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
>   xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
......

>As for Mr. Pan's dying ALOHA statement, it seems that it is not a fair
>conclusion. Many other improvements widely used today are derived from
>ALOHA framework. The theory is still mentioned in today's network
>courses.
>
>No export and no flame. Just for clarification. Mr. Pan probably would
>not mind to visit Hawaii flying with Aloha Airline.

Thanks for the correction. Certainly I hope I can visit Hawaii. At least
I know it is a very beautiful place.

Tingli Pan
>
>--
>: Thomas Y. Huang                                      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:48:14 GMT

In article <BvrB9G.KI7@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:

>And then replace Qin Hui's kneeing statue by the one of some self-defined 
>"treasure of a society".

Quite likely Qin Hui's kneeing statue could be replaced by some
modern figure. By the way, Qin Hui's intention was to maintain
stability of the emperor. He was an ultra-conservative hardliner.
Whether he was a communist is still under investigation.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: follow-up to my posting on misc.jobs.*
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:11:51 GMT

In article <2ADB541A.9164@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>Just to tell this group I still have lots of supporters.

Yes, Shannon I'm sure that you do have lots of supporters. I'm sure
that both the American Nazi Party and the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan
support your position.  I'm sure that the Aryan Nation supports
your position. I'm sure you have a lot in common with your allies.
Let me tell you that as an American who fights every day to lessen
racism and discrimination in this country, and it's a long up hill
struggle, your tactics sicken me. They are the same tactics that
McArthy used in the fifty against "communists". They were against the
principles that america was founded on then and they are against them
today. If you wish to practice these tactics I suggest you return to
the country you claim to love so much and sign up for Deng's secret
police. In any case if you truly love your country and want it to
thrive, and believe in its government, as you claim to, you stay there
and work to improve the country. You are not even willing to do your
self what you are willing to force others to do. Show some courage and
give me your employers address so I can inform them exactly what their
employee is doing with their resources. The price of liberty is
eternal vigilance, and we mean to keep ours in this country, if you
don't like it GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!

>
>From: someone at a major US university
>To: yeh@netix.com
>Subject: Hello!
>Shannon,
>I read your post in misc.jobs.offered. I have to agree wit you on the position 
>that you took with respect to the mainland chinese green card issue. 
>I showed the post to a professor of mine. He also agrees with it. He would be   interested to further discuss this issue with you. If you do not mind emailing  a phone number where he could get in touch with you since my professor doesn't  have internet o
>r email access.
>
>Thank you very much. I hope my email message is not intrusive.
>

Like I said before, there is a good possibility that this "support" is
coming from a white racist. Maybe a racist group will even fund your
activities if you look around long enough.

No Justice no peace,
		      Warren Watts


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xpei@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Subject: A question to ROC vs PRC
Reply-To: xpei@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Organization: GWDG Goettingen, F.R.Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:49:23 GMT

What will be consequences, if both KMT and CCP could develop 
both in the mainland and Taiwan island, and would have a peaceful 
competition in obtaining supports to build a government. 
						Xstern Peiterholm. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27523 soc.culture.japan:8777
From: u926009@postoffice.utas.edu.au (HAJIME YOJI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Re: Actually
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:28:58 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania

Ah, i want to raise two question. First question is 'Which countries is 
more racist oriented, Japan or America.' The way I see is that Japan is 
more racist oriented than US. But, on the other hand, US is VERY 
discriminating in term of wealth distribution(I think it is one of the 
worst in OECD). So it is bloody hard for some racial or ethinic
groups to gain equality if they have been segmented into poor income groups. 
So, for examples, Japanese Korean would face much harrash discrimination 
like being rejected good job or marrying to Japanese but they would
enjoy far better living standard than those ethnic minority living in slum.
I think many of racist incident like recent L.A riot are rooted from
poverty and corruption of American society than the simple matter of
racism.

Second question is 'Which do you think is better, racism or poverty?'
My opinion is I really don't know.
From: zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:12:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Oct7.204357.23250@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>In article <BvrFM4.8v7@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, wanz@ucunix.san.uc.edu
>(Zhangyong Wan) writes:
>> 
>> In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>> >Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>> >very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>> >spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>> >nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>> >when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>> >that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>> >I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>> >English is the language of communication. 
>> >
>> >By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.
>> 
>> 
>> English is not our native language. It's no big deal when we have a few errors
>> (either grammatical or spelling). Even Americans make some stupid mistakes when they write. But I do agree that we need to improve our English. It's just
>> a matter of time and practice. 
>> 
>> 
>Don't blame us for our poor English.  Even the Vice President of U.S. can
>not spell potato.  I think everybody agree that we need to improve our
>English; however, please change the title to "Improve Our English" instead
>of "Improve your English."
Good point!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,ucs.network
From: dstone@stats2.ics.Hawaii.Edu (David Stone)
Subject: Re: What abbreviation is ALOHA?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:35:24 GMT

>>For network expert: What is the abbreviation of the word ALOHA.
 
>I guess you can abbreviate it to "A." or "Al.", :-)  never seen
>anyone abbreviate it though.
> 
>It is a word from the language spoken by Hawaiin natives and
>means something like "hello", I think.  
> 
>I do wonder whether there's a general term for Hawaiin natives
>similar to "Indians" for American natives?  I guess they should be 
>called "Chinese" or "Japanese", in the same spirit as "Indians". :-)
 
Aloha is a Hawaiian word for greeting, welcome, farewell, kindness and
other meanings.

The ALOHA asked by the original poster refers to the ALOHA system
discussed in many data communications and network books (Tannebaum,
Bertsekas & Galliger, etc.)  I don't think ALOHA is an abbreviation.
ALOHA system was developed here at University of Hawaii by 
Prof. Norm Abramson.

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: Visa for Tibet
Reply-To: fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.085042.12696@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>, speckman@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Speckmann) writes:
|> I am travelling to China in november and I could get a visa for china in
|> Germany. But it wasn't possible to get one for Tibet. Now here is my question:
|> I will try to get one in Bejing for Tibet. How I should make it. Please email
|> 
|> Heike Speckmann
|> 
|> PS: I will travel from Bejing to Tibet with a group.
|> 
|> -- 
|> *****************************************************************************
|> Heike Speckmann                 | E-Mail: speckman@peanuts.informatik.
|> Universitaet Tuebingen          |               .uni-tuebingen.de
|> Lehrstuhl fuer  Techn. Info.    |
|> Sand 13                         | THE REAL GRISULINE, ALREADY JOINED THE
|> 7400 Tuebingen                  |   FIRE BRIGADE
|> Germany                         |
|> *****************************************************************************

Hi, Heike,
   
  es ueberrascht mich, Dich hier zu treffen! Logisch, da\3 Du kein Extra-Visum
fuer Tibet kriegst, schlie\3lich ist ja Tibet kein unabhaengiges Land. Wieso
fragst Du nicht mal direkt bei der Chinesischen Botschaft in Bonn nach!
Die Genehmigung muss Du sowieso dort beantragen! Die Chinese in USA koennen Dir
dabei wenig helfen. Die Telefonnummer u. Adresse kann Ich Dir besorgen beim
Bedarf. 



Tschau!

X.X.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Mr. Dong Zhanfeng (Lamar Uni., Texas)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:53:32 GMT

If you know Mr. Dong Zhanfeng, a Chinese student now studying in Lamar
Uni., Texas, please tell me his address, or tell him my information:

Qiu Liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset Ave.
Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca

Thank you.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xie@egr.msu.edu (Guochun Xie)
Subject: Question about AT&T USADIRECT in China
Originator: xie@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: xie@egr.msu.edu (Guochun Xie)
Organization: Michigan State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:54:07 GMT


Does anyboday know if there is AT&T USADIRECT telephone in Guangzhou?

Thank you.

Guochun Xie
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:36:59 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <Oct.7.23.44.17.1992.15263@electron.rutgers.edu> zzhang@electron.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
>Looking at the names of posters, I am suprised to see that very small 
>percentage of people who post in this group are Japanese. Why is this?
>Where are the Japanese? 

Before 1945, there were lots of Japanese on socculturechina; now they
are all on soc.culture.japan.
:-)
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9201 people's reaction to the blood card and blood carders
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:18:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct9.211814.21399
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <2AD5ED9D.8292@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
|> 
|> 1. One of primary goals of Action 9201 is to tell the true face of those
|>    blood carders to the Chinese public and the US public.  We have done
|>    significant amount of work on this.  And we will keep doing this!
|> 

Oh, boy.

|> 2. If the bill has been signed, then, it means they are willing to offer
|>    blood carders protection.  But George Bush's signature by no means
|>    answer any single question I raised to blood carders.
|> 
|> 3. We still believe that those blood carders are liers.  They Bu4Ze3Shou3Duan4
|>    seek personal benefits by compromising the interests of the Chinese 
|>    people in China.
|> 

I don't see anything wrong to get some protection from CCP. I know what they
can do to you if they don't like you.

|> 4. I still believe that those protectees (i.e. blood carders) are coward--
|>    history will not remember them as heroes.  Part of our 9201 extension
|>    is to summarize this page of history.
|> 
|> 5. By leaving those garbage in the US, the Chinese government, I guess, will
|>    be happy.
|> 

Those garbage? I believe most of CSS are very talented people. But I am not
sure about you. China needs them, may not CCP/CG. It is a loss to China. But
it is the best they can do for now until CCP is changed. I put my hope on
Chinese people. I believe they will change CCP someday. We have seen some
hopes now. But we also know what a crazy dog may do when it is under
pressure.

|> shannon
|> -------

H.J.
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:32:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics

In article <1bkegkINNj6n@phakt.usc.edu> zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>   I still believe I own tuition to my parents ONLY in any case. Here is
>the reason. 
>
>   One netter suggested college students own tuition to those parents
>whose kids failed to get into college.
>
>  I have two brothers. Both were not able to get into college. So I own
>tuition to my parents to balance for my older brother. I also demand the
>netter who made the claim to pay my little brother 10K RMB tuition.

I'm not convinced by your conclusion but I do think you told a fact.
The fact is that a college student is supported not only by his (her)
parents, but also is supported by others, in your case, your brothers.
The word "owe" is not a good one. We normally do not use word "owe" within
family. For our brothers and sisters, we certainly do something more
than money exchange. In a broader sense, all Chinese people are 
brothers and sisters. We may not say we "owe" them such and such, 
but we do observe the fact that we were supported by them.