From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:21:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Northwest, Beaverton Oregon

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In article <1992Sep13.151215.23015@pdnfido.fidonet.org> joeb@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.200436.566@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com> max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb) writes:

>>... To apply the Golden Rule, you must
>>admit that other viewpoints exist, and honor them. This the fundamentalist
>>cannot do.
>So you're proposing the Golden Rule REALLY means "Treat others as THEY would
>have YOU treat THEM"?

The Golden Rule has always meant "Treat others as you would be treated
[in their situation]". 'Their situation' includes their prior experiences
and viewpoint. My restatement makes explicit an adaptation of the Golden Rule
to a pluralistic society. I think most people find it as obviously true
as the original. If a Jew comes to your house to dinner, will you serve
him your favorite meal, even if it happens to be pig testicles? Or will
you take into account his beliefs?

Thanks for providing an example of my contention that fundamentalists
see no nead to respect the viewpoints of others.

>I find it interesting that there is so much Bible related discussion going
>on in here.  Its clear the Bible condems homosexuality (Old and NT).  Why
>do you even care what the book says if your only concern is your lifestyle?

Where the *FUCK* do you get off assuming I am gay just because I disagree
with you? *NOR* may you assume I am straight. I refuse to play that game
with you. Here in Oregon, whoever opposes the OCA get's accused of being
Gay. It's a witchhunt. Did my bad word offend you? I'm so **FUCKING** sorry.

If you guys minded your own business, so would I. But your coreligionists
are agitating to legalize discrimination against gays and lesbians, to
remove numerous books from our libraries, to regulate what is taught
about homosexuality in the schools. Suggestion: read more of a thread
before jumping in.

>>can be ambiguities. Fundamentalists appear to be much less
>>capable of this - I can usually predict their moves in a debate, but
>>they have trouble doing the same.
>So you are thus correct due to your mental superiority?

No, I have escaped the trap that they are still in.

>>Fundamentalists have admitted to me in the past that they can't even imagine
>>what the mental state of a nonbeliever (or other-believer) is like, and some
>>have even claimed that it is a _good_thing_. They simply cannot shed any
>>portion of their memetic parasitic - it is compulsively held.
>Oh?  I take it these 'Fundamentalists' have been believers from birth?

Actually, no. It holds true in those who have been believers for several
years as well.

>If you're looking for change thats another thing, I know several homosexual
>friends that have changed.  They seem much happier these days too. 

As a Christian, I always wore a big happy grin. It's easier to get other
people hooked that way. You forget, sir, I have been there.

>Joe.Beiter@HauppaugeNY.NCR.COM

Regards,
	Max G. Webb
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