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From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai Breakfast Foods
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:00:10 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara


  Sawasdee Khrup Tuk Kon,

  Simple question.  What do Thais eat for breakfast?  

  I wonder for 5 reasons:

	1. My girlfriend cannot imagine me eating anything without rice. :-)

	2. Most of my Asian friends assume they know everything about
           America because they have been living here for years, BUT
           they *still* eat rice everyday!  Believe it or not!

	3. My friends in Bangkok that work for the tourist industry
           very proudly describe a Continental Breakfast assuming
           (incorrectly) that all Americans eat this every morning.
           It is the breakfast of American businessmen only.

	4. I cannot recall the last time a Thai girl (or any girl) offered 
           to let me spend the night at her house and served me breakfast
           the next morning.  Not even my girlfriend would do this. :-)

	5. I have not seen Thai commercials on Thai television 
           persuading Thai children to eat something special for
           breakfast.

  In case anyone is wondering, Americans usually eat these things for
  breakfast.

	1. Most popular by far is the famous "cold cereal with milk."
           This cereal has many flavors.  All of them advertise on
           television attempting to persuade children to beg their
           parents to buy these flavors.  Children like the cereal
           because it is sweet (20% sugar) AND because each box almost 
           always contains a toy!  Newly educated Americans (Yuppies) 
           still like to eat cereal so they compromise by purchasing
           flavors that claim to contain "natural" ingredients or
           "low" amounts of sugar.  Sometimes they don't even include
           a toy!  :-(

	2. The next most popular breakfast food is the egg.  It can
           be cooked in several different ways, usually fried.  It
           is almost always served with toasted bread or bacon (pork)
           or sausage (pork).

	3. The 3rd most popular breakfast food is some type of fried
           bread.  Usually it is pancakes (also called flapjacks) or a
           similar bread called waffles.  The third alternative is
           frenchtoast (my personal favorite).  All of these are served 
           with very sweet syrup.

	4. The other very popular breakfast food is some type of baked
           bread.  Sorry, no rice! :-(
           Usually, the bread is coffee cake or donuts or sweet rolls
           or muffins or bagels.  Many American people like to eat these 
           foods when drinking coffee.  Some Americans even dip their
           bread into the coffee.
           
 Hopefully, I can teach my girlfriend to cook these foods after we marry
 or I am doomed to eat plain rice every morning for the rest of my life.  :-)


 Khawp Khun Khrup

 tim
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 14: Govt urged to improve secondary education
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:11:12 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


by Peter Mytri Ungphakorn in Pattaya
 
THE GOVERNMENT should urgently tackle the severe inadequacy of
secondary education in order to avoid social conflict and the
disruption of development, a number of academics said yesterday.
 
One critic, Thailand Development Research Institute president Ammar
Siamwalla, said secondary education was a pressing problem that
neither the Anand nor the Chuan government had attempted to solve.
 
"The Education Ministry is untouchable territory," he said.
 
Prompting the calls was a warning from Dr Chalongphob Sussangkarn, a
TDRI programme director, that even if improvements are introduced now,
for several decades to come, three quarters of the population will be
seeking employment without secondary schooling.
 
This could cause serious problems of inequality and conflict as the
economy develops and industry increasingly requires better-educated
workers.
 
"The doors to the better jobs in industries and services are gradually
closing on those with just primary education," Dr Chalongphob told
TDRI's year-end conference yesterday.
 
"More and more, demand is not for just young workers, but young and
educated workers."
 
The "somewhat depressing conclusion", is that people with only primary
education "are at the bottom end of the income distribution pile, and
they are likely to stay there for some time.
 
"Thus Thailand is in the worst of situations, with widening income
inequality and limited opportunities for socio-economic mobility for
the poorest groups."
 
Dr Chalongphob warned that "Thailand is now close to a major critical
threshold of imbalance, which may have wide-ranging repercussions on
development.   "Unless major improvements in economic opportunities
are provided to the mass of people with low education, one cannot
envisage a harmonious development path in Thailand for much longer
into the future."
 
Dr Philippe Annez, World Bank mission chief in Bangkok, said "even
poor Vietnam is better endowed" in its secondary-level-educated
population.
 
He said the Government should get the Education Ministry to take
action instead of wasting time "thinking". The Government should also
ease constraints on private secondary schools, and strengthen
secondary school networks so that improvements can be spread to the
countryside.
 
According to Dr Chalongphob's calculations, even if 100% of all
primary school leavers continue into secondary education this year,
and if that rate is maintained, "there will still be 70% of Thailand's
workforce in the year 2000 who have only primary education or less".
 
This, he predicts, will worsen income inequality.
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: correction: subject of my last post
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:30:14 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

My last post should have the subject:
Re: Military brass oppose barring permanent officials 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: psumetpo@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Dolly)
Subject: Re: Study in Thailand?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:27:48 EST

In article <Bz7orr.JC1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>d86patsc@odalix.ida.liu.se (Patrik Schlund) writes:
>
>
>>I am a senior student studying Computer Science and Engineering at the 
>>Linkoping Institute of Technology in Sweden. I am examining the possibility 
>>to study some courses related to my field at a Thai Institute of Technology or
>>University.
>> 
>>Is there someone who knows if a foreign students are accepted, if any courses 
>>are held in english, education quality, forms of examination, fees, where to 
>>apply, etc.
>> 
>>I would greatly appreciate any reply regarding this matter.
>> 
>>e-mail d86patsc@.und.ida.liu.se
>
>I believe there are at least two institutions in Bangkok where English
>is a medium of teaching. They are: Asian Institute of Technology (AIT), and,
>Assumption University. AIT should offer programs in computer science and 
>Engineering, mostly in graduate levels. I have heard from one of the s.c.t
>netters who finished his Ph.D in computer science and now teaching and advising
>Ph.D students in computer and information system (or something) at Assumption.
>Other universities also English-medium programs but mostly in business.
>Chula' Graduate Institute of Business Administration (GIBA), a consortium
>effort between Chula and Northwestern. Thammasat also offer similar programs.
>I don't have any detailed information at hands at the moment but will 
>acquire and will post here later on. 
>
>Samart
>
 
  Mahidol University also offers an English-medium program so called 
"International Students Degree Program" at the undergraduate level. Programs
offered are 
     Travel Industry and Hotel Management (A.A and B.A)
     Biology,Physics,Mathematics,Chemistry, Computer Science (A.S and B.S)

If you are interested you could write to them in Thaliand for more
info :
    International Students Degree Program
    Mahidol University
    Salaya Campus
    Salaya, Nakhon Pathom
    Thailand.
Prem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: charle@seas.gwu.edu (Charlvit C. Sanguanwongse)
Subject: 00 test.pls ignore it.
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:02:38 GMT
From: kschulz@ba-stuttgart.de (Kay Schulz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: JOB
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:20:02 GMT
Organization: ba-stuttgart.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: grey.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de

Keywords: 

Hi
How can I get a job in Thailand. I am an engineer for computer sciences
with diploma and I would like to work in Thailand.
My favorites are TCP/IPNetwork Programming on UNIX.
I prefer C and C++. I like Systemprogramming, too.
Who can help me?
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From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Sulak Sivaraksa arrives Bangkok--help needed
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:26:42 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <9212151233.AA16399@nwg.nectec.or.th>,
trin@nwg.nectec.or.TH (Trin Tantsetthi) writes: 
> 
> An afternoon TV news reported that Ajarn Sulak has arrived Bangkok and
> surrendered to the police. He was accompanied by a famous attorney
> Tongbai Tongpao. The news reported that he has been bailed out with
> 300,000 baht cash collateral.
> 
Given the extent to which Thai politicians are sensitive to what is  said
of their country abroad, this is a good time to use this to send letters to 
American politicians and media to demand Ajarn Sulak's unconditional release,
and to have him declared innocent. Have American friends sign as many letters
as possible, and send copies to Thai newspapers and politicians. It is very
probable that such letters helped Thailand a lot after the May crackdown.
I will try to post an example letter that a friend, who is good at this,
would probably like to write.

Abi
From: trin@nwg.nectec.or.TH (Trin Tantsetthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Sulak Sivaraksa arrives Bangkok
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:54:16 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


An afternoon TV news reported that Ajarn Sulak has arrived Bangkok and
surrendered to the police. He was accompanied by a famous attorney
Tongbai Tongpao. The news reported that he has been bailed out with
300,000 baht cash collateral.

-Trin
From: jmg135@psuvm.psu.edu (Asli Enderoglu)
Subject: test
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Reply-To: jmg135@psuvm.psu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:15:59 GMT

test
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 15: Chalerm blasts Govt's insincerity
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:41:44 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

 
MUAN Chon Party leader Chalerm Yubamrung yesterday said a proposed 
increase in the defence budget belies the Government's public 
criticism of the armed forces.
 
The budget allocation on defence and secret military funds 
indicates that the Government has lied to the people, he said.
 
Government leaders have made statements discrediting the armed 
forces and claiming to want the military to be curbed, he said.
 
However, the Government would allocate more money for secret funds 
and the military than any previous government, Pol Capt Chalerm 
said, and the defence budget would account for 14.9 per cent of 
the entire budget.
 
He said the armed forces should be fully supported, but the 
Government has sought political popularity by criticising the 
armed forces while drawing up a budget to the contrary.
 
Yesterday's meeting of the Opposition agreed to oppose the 
Government's plan for a deficit annual budget, he said.
 
In general, the budget is inconsistent with the Government's 
stated policy and the National Economic and Social Development 
Plan, he said.
 
For example, despite the policy on income distribution, only four 
per cent of the budget is earmarked for the purpose, and despite 
its policy on agriculture, the money set aside for it ranks fifth, 
Pol Capt Chalerm said.
 
Likewise, the budget for industry would increase by only 0.4 per 
cent, while tourism, the country's largest income-earner, would 
get a little over 1,000 million baht, he said.
 
The debate on the budget bill is scheduled for tomorrow and 
Thursday.
 
A centre will be set up to coordinate the opposition speakers, he 
said.
 
All government MPs have been told to attend the parliamentary 
meeting during the debate.
 
Mr Therdpong Chaiyanand, as chief of the government's coordinating 
committee, said the Opposition would be consulted on how to make 
the best use of the time available for the debate, which will be 
broadcast live on television and radio.
 
The debate may take more than two days if requested by the 
Opposition, said Mr Tinnwat Marukapitak, a member of the 
coordinating committee.  Party leaders will have unlimited time to 
speak but other MPs will have only 15 minutes, he added.
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Dec 17: Chuan outlines govt budget
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:22:30 GMT

In article kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
> 
>PRIME Minister Chuan Leekpai yesterday presented to Parliament a
>560,000-million-baht budget for fiscal 1993 and said it would meet the
>Government's vital policy to distribute income and open opportunities
>for people in rural areas.

I didn't see anywhere in the post that he mentioned what exactly he
is going to "distribute income and open opportunities for people in rural areas"
or how much money is allocated for that. 

>the reserve fund to increase to 208,465 million baht at the end of
>October with the net reserve fund totalling 59,700 million baht.
					     ^^^^^^
Should it be 259,700 M bath?  

>For maintenance of security the Government has allocated 89,060
>million baht compared to 77,360 million baht allocated in 1992. This
>includes 3,270 million baht for housing and other amenities for
>military personnel.
 
Ah, here is what the government calls "distribute income and open 
opportunities ...".  It sure does distribute a lot of income among 
<censored> and open a lot of opportunities (for more money) for <censored>, 
not for people in rural areas.  Oh, It is also certainly "for maintainance
of security" of some Swiz bank acc**nts <censored>.  

- anuchit

10% * 89060 = 8906.   Just a magic number.
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 14: Sulak facing arrest
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:04:16 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


SOCIAL critic Sulak Sivaraksa is expected to be arrested the moment he
arrives in Thailand this morning, police sources say.
 
Mr Sulak, who has lived in exile in Sweden since the National
Peacekeeping Council seized power in February last year, has been
charged with lese-majeste.
 
He has also been charged with defaming former prime minister Suchinda
Kraprayoon.
 
Policemen will be sent to wait for Mr Sulak, who is expected to be
travelling on THAI airliner, at Don Muang airport and are expected to
take him to the Office of the Attorney-General, sources say.
 
Last week Amnesty International wrote to His Majesty the King
expressing concern that Mr Sulak will be arrested and jailed when he
returns to Thailand.
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Study in Thailand?
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:59:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz7orr.JC1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

d86patsc@odalix.ida.liu.se (Patrik Schlund) writes:


>I am a senior student studying Computer Science and Engineering at the 
>Linkoping Institute of Technology in Sweden. I am examining the possibility 
>to study some courses related to my field at a Thai Institute of Technology or
>University.
> 
>Is there someone who knows if a foreign students are accepted, if any courses 
>are held in english, education quality, forms of examination, fees, where to 
>apply, etc.
> 
>I would greatly appreciate any reply regarding this matter.
> 
>e-mail d86patsc@.und.ida.liu.se

I believe there are at least two institutions in Bangkok where English
is a medium of teaching. They are: Asian Institute of Technology (AIT), and,
Assumption University. AIT should offer programs in computer science and 
Engineering, mostly in graduate levels. I have heard from one of the s.c.t
netters who finished his Ph.D in computer science and now teaching and advising
Ph.D students in computer and information system (or something) at Assumption.
Other universities also English-medium programs but mostly in business.
Chula' Graduate Institute of Business Administration (GIBA), a consortium
effort between Chula and Northwestern. Thammasat also offer similar programs.
I don't have any detailed information at hands at the moment but will 
acquire and will post here later on. 

Samart
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: Prostitution, possible approaches 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:45:09 GMT

I didn't follow the discussion on this subject.  I just want to add
a few things.  So, sorry if I miss or repeat something. 

It doesn't matter which way you select, to legalize or to illegalize 
prostitution.  This problem will not go away as long as there are demand
and supply.  Certainly, we can't do anything on the demand side. 
Neither can we stop the voluntary (I mean, "real" voluntary) supply.  

Therefore, we can only hope to stop the forced supply, i.e. people 
who become prostiututes because of economic hardship (e.g. "nothing to eat", 
not "want to get fast and easy money") or being lured and trapped
in brothels.

Some proposed education as the solution (or a part of).  The question is
what kind of education.  Something like "prostitution is bad", or
about AIDS wouldn't help much, -- some, perhaps, in the voluntary cases,
but not in the forced cases.   So, when we talk about education,
we must think about job training, or basic primary education to open up
opportunities to a better job.  The problem is that it takes a long time to 
implement such nation-wide education improvement plan and it intertwines
with the economy and income distribution.  (You can give them education
but you must also think about creating jobs for them too.  I hope to
see some future goverment say:

    "Now, the agri-tech has improved and we have too many people/labour 
    forces (20-30 millions) in the agri sector.  We have to make plan on 
    mobilizing these people to other sectors (manufac).  We need to train
    people for the jobs and we need to prepare jobs for them.")

Now, what about the last case, when a woman was lured (or kidnapped) and 
trapped in brothels?  Education or other solutions do not solve this
problem.  The only way to fix it is to clean up the police and to wipe
out mafias.  What Thailand needs is a strong leadership, decisive and
determine to really fight and get rid of mafias.  I do not know much
about Italy but in Thailand, there are too many mafias, too many BIGs.
Someone (probably with a bullet-proof head) must clean this mess.  
Deliver safety and justice for all. 


-- Anuchit 

Let us, Thais, all stand up for our own country and say 
"We wait NO LONGER and we tolerate NO MORE."
From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: A student's opinion.
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:06:16 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

>>In article <9212141626.AA01871@ipied.tu.ac.th> kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
> 
>"I feel that the military has been trampled on. We will tolerate 
>it to a certain extent only," Gen Salya said.

>>... and then, what are they going to do when they can't tolerate?
>>Another coup de tat?  Another NPKC?

>>Thai people will have a better life if all these people keep their mouths
>>shut and concentrate on how to improve the country.

I agree that this soldier said something that sound unimpressive. However,
I think the above message according to what that soldier said is not fair
for him and the other soldiers. Yes, the event in May was partly dueto
the army but the major part is due to the bad politicians (whom some are
also soldiers) but this is not the reason we should use to generalize to
the others. What we are saying is like if you are soldier, you are bad.
I agree that we should be aware of what that soldier said but we also should
be aware of what we are saying too. Think of him as a normal person, if 
someone accuses him (no matter it is true or not), should he has a right to
defend himeself? As long as what he response is by the accepted rule, this is
acceptable. If he is reasonable and if he think that what is said about him is
not true, sue the people who said that should be what to be done. I admire
Professor Sulak one thing that he turn himself in so that he can proof himself.
The justice sytem will be really fair or not is another story. Free speech is
good, but you also need self-censorship too.

Sunchai Nilsuwankosit
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anan@ennex4.eng.utsa.edu (Anan Kaewlium)
Subject: learning to read and write in Thai
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:51:16 GMT

Hello!

I was born in Thailand and I have been in the U.S for 14 years. During my  
childhood, I did not have the opportunity of learning how to read or write  
the language of my parents. If any one could inform me to where I could  
obtain a self-taught book, I would greatly appriciate it. Thank You.
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re:  thank you
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:52:50 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

The network was closed for a time due to technical problem. Murphy's law
of course. Now everything is back to normal. There is no such thing
as politics in this local network. It is not always easy to get an account
unless you are in academic field because this network exists only for
academic purpose only. Don't always listen to the rumour. You can check
with me if you hear any rumour. You see, I have been posting continuously
during the network down. The ipied at Thammasat sent my stories through
chulkn (chula) gateway with no problem. The Thaisarn network is down only
for local connection due to machine's malfunction at one site which acts
as a hub. This is now moved to another site.