HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Where Does 'Tam*'s Ignorance Stem From? Greek Anti-Semitism.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:52:43 GMT

kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:

>In <Bsvwxn.I1J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

>[..]

>> Yo, jerks. Got offended when I wrote that Turks don't work hard in the
>> summer?  Afraid that next months paycheck from Turkey won't arrive?

>> Come on creeps. Still have many mails unanswered.  Move your asses
>> and work harder.


>I wonder how other Greeks netters feel with such a racist languge directed to
>the entire Turkish nation. 

 Where do you see the racism?

 And next time do not isolate parts of my postings. I wrote that there are many
 Turks that use mutlu's accounts to post their crap.  My posting refers to
 these persons and not to the entire Turkish nation.

 Thus, next time try to answer my questions, and stop making 
 irrelevant generalizations.

>Kutluk
-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: The Victory of Truth over the Forces of Revisionism
Summary: sitting back, watching revisionists dig their own graves 
Keywords: forged headers, forged postings, just like forged history 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:42:06 GMT

In article <172b5bINNh28@agate.berkeley.edu> sadi@physics3 (Sadi Turgut), who
I certainly categorized as having a much higher level of fascist restraint
than is usually displayed by some on this topic, wrote: 

[personal opinion deleted]

[ST] Once in a while, I get sick of SDPA propaganda. Although I might not
[ST] seem glorious without ready referances, I see it my duty not to leave such
[ST] attempts answerless.

You neither answered the points made nor added to the conversation. You simply
congratulated the authors of "Islamic Unity" in their "inevitable victory" over
the "infidel", yet indigenous, Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh. Good for you,
Sadi, you have really shown your color, as well as adding to the perception
Turks themselves both promulgate and work against. 

History is there to be observed, noted, used, and in some cases, revised. I 
have seen all of these and I must say the last category mentioned, namely, 
revision, is the useless of all.

I for one, am sitting back and watching Turks of the Mutlu persuasion make
total idiots out of themselves. After addressing most all of Mutlu's and
others in the service of the Turkish government over the years, I find myself
in a kind of semi-retirement. That is, I can sit back and witness is the 
triumph of truth over the zealous re-write of history.

Forged headers, forged postings, just like forged history, are taking their
toll on the backs of those engaged in such tactics. Mutlu and the like, who
can't get out from under the revisionist garbage-heap created on UseNet, are 
making public a spectacle of themselves in front of their readership. The 
postings of Mutlu have demonstrated the zealous nature of Turkish-sponsored 
historical revisionism regarding the Turkish genocide of the Armenian people,
anti-Greek propaganda, and the sick patronizing of Jews and their tragic
history.

Such are the rewards of truth, such is the agony of the revisionist hand and
the body it is connected to.


-- 
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org "It has been ever thus in all things, son, 
SDPA Center for Regional Studies    Whatever we thrash we give to the wind, 
P.O. Box 382761                     We too have been blown by the world's wind
Cambridge, MA 02238                 The chaff is gone but the grain remains."
From: halim@herculus.cmc.edu (Halim Saglam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: test
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:44:36 GMT

this is a test, sorry.
halim
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Fino/Suopanki's Is Closed To The Public.
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:05:11 GMT





<SUOPANKI.92Aug14210407@zombie.oulu.fi>
suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)

>>By popular demands, I'm posting mutlu.gif to this group, too.

>Did you post it to alt.binaries.picturess.tasteless? It certainly
>belongs there. 

Osupanaki. I don't intend to start an epidemic of spelunking in 'finos'
bathrooms.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: ilyess@davinci.concordia.ca (Ilyess Bdira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Fake?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:01:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <16n29gINNh3m@agate.berkeley.edu> sachs@lhasa.berkeley.edu (Rainer Sachs) writes:
>Mutlu's posting policies are explicable if he is trying 
>to stir up anger against Turks or discredit Turkish policy.
>Not otherwise.  Any reason to believe that he actually 
>has such a hidden agenda?

The other explanation is that he is a maniac who 
is hurting his cause without realizing it, or
realizing it but he is too overwhelmed with the desire to
defend himself that he actually does not care about the
original purpose of his posts anymore.

I say this, and I am more sympathetic to the Muslim
cause than he is.. I am tired of having to push the
n botton about 20 times in a row. 
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From: hhrant@ocf.berkeley.edu (Helgge Minassian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re
Date: 18 Aug 1992 03:11:09 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Subject: Re: Stop Slaughters of Armenians

In <169gc4INNfu6@agate.berkeley.edu> mikie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Wu) writes:


>>   I have done a great amount of research on Armenia, and
>>   I think Armenians, after years of persecussion, deserve
>>   some time off from being slaughtered and deported.  I am
>>   sure every human being agrees with me.


  You are entirelly correct, but wait, what's the "Turkish
  Reponse?"
  
>We know what kind of resarch you've made when you come out and 
>start talking with a one-sided view. We have been listening to
>that research that accuses every Turk, kills Turkish diplomats,
>and massacres Azerbaijani civilians. 

  Yes, we have heard that Turks have massacred 1.5 Million
  Armenians.  I guess this Kutluk guy has a death ear or
  something.
  
>What you call research is the same stuff when German youth watched
>Goebells' probaganda films circa 1939. Every human would agree
>with him too, he was sure.

  Yes, because of Goebells' you can't believe a word about the
  massacres and deportations of Armenians by the Ottoman
  government.  If it weren't for his propaganda films (circa
  1939), you could be sure the Armenians are telling the truth.

>>   Ictenlikle sizin,

>There is no such word-to-word translation in Turkish.

  Actually, I like that expression, I think it's kinda cute.

>Kutluk

  Really?... I'm so sorry.



  see ya

  me.


  In a world of compromise, I don't



  To Micheal Only:
  
  I noticed we're in the same school, if you need any books
  or info, just e-mail me.

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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.c
Subject: Does He even READ the messages he is replying to?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

ulture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history

??>|> You do not have to read Soc.Culture.Turkish.

VE>>My dear boy, I don't want to. Unfortunately Mutlu posts in a lot of
VE>>unrelated newsgroups, in disregard of all recognized standards of posting.

HM>As usual, it is a blatant lie. It is on the record that the British said
HM>to local Armenians,
HM>'You kill the Muslims and we will supply you with arms and ammunition.'[1]

  There goes Mutlu again. Insult, Lie, Run.

  Mr. Victor Eijkhout is 100% correct. Mr Mutlu insists on crossposting on
  every unrelated newsgroup. S.C.Mideast, .Soviet, .Europe and .History should
  have been removed from this unfortunate thread long time ago. But Mr Mutlu
  always tries to achieve the maximum exposure for his lies. Whenever I
  have tried to answer only to the related boards, (Greek, Turkish) Mr Mutlu
  will respond by cross-posting, thus quoting and mis-representing portions
  of my messages to people who never had a chance to read the original.
  Unfortunately this has forced me and others to follow his cross-posting
  tactics, to avoid having any of Mr Mutlu's lies unchallenged.

  After Mr Mutlu has spread his lies and insults, he runs away from the issue
  by posting unrelated stuff about unrelated issues from his 'file of horrors'.
  This case is a classic example: Mr Eijkhout's message is replied with some
  ravings about the British and the Armenians conspiring against whom-ever.
  This is totally irrelevant to Mr Eijhout's point (which ofcourse Mr Mutlu
  leaves unanswered).

*******************************************************************************
**The readers of the inappropriately referenced newsgroups have every right to
**complain to their system administrators about this abuse of usenet bandwidth.
**there is no reason why these endless discussions on greece and armenia cannot
**continue on s.c.greek, .turkish and .armenia _only_.
*******************************************************************************

Michael.

---
 . SLMR 2.1a . We all live in a yellow subroutine.
                                                                                               
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Western Sources On The Massacres Of The Turkish People In Cyprus.
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:28:03 GMT





<BszqrF.5Ew@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

> Keep your cries for yourself. WE NOW KNOW TURKS VERY WELL. YOU'VE SHOWN
> YOUR REAL FACE IN CYPROUS. NOBADY CAN BELIEVE YOU ANYLONGER.

Satire does not look pretty upon a 'tamtam' tombstone.

 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. 
 Date : 1 January, 1964. 

 IL GIARNO (Italy)
 
 THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.

 Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
 are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
 abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This 
 time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to 
 cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.

 Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
 Date: 14 January 1964

 DAILY HERALD (London)

 AN APPALLING SIGHT

And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.

In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.

Date: 1 January, 1964.

 DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)
 
 GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE

 Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
 Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
 crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
 brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three 
 more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
 not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to 
 locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: barutcuzadec@newton.hartwick.edu (Cafer Barutcuzade)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: MUTLU IS THE BEST.
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:07:34 -0500
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE


	Even if Mutlu is a program or so, it has been doing a damn good job
arguing with stupid, nonsense ideas of people who have no peaceful nature.
Why do you want to cut down Mutlu ? Is he or it talking about something
that bothers you so much that you are filling your account with kill filters?
I think people who has the insentive to fight even with a program have no place
in today's society.
	
	Congratulations Mutlu. Job well done. 

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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: 'PXP111-Tam*:' The Search For The Self And The Greeks.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:11:03 GMT

hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu) writes:

><Bt9J92.K2F@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>> Recently, Turkey has tried to improve its relations with Israel.  Mutlu
>> got his order and material from his boss to start posting material 
>> "proving" that Turkey has protected Jews, while Greeks have tried to
>> "eradicate" from Greece.

>Darn. I guess my plans to install myself as 'Tamtam' of Greece are 
>washed up now.  Anyway, thanks go to Nejat.

 Can't you give an answer, just once? 

> "THE RELIGIOUS MINORITIES OF CHIOS: JEWS AND ROMAN CATHOLICS" by Philip
> P.Argenti and forwarded by Sir Steven Runciman  (Cambridge, at the Uni-
> versity Press; 1970)

  The above is not a good reference.  Since you have used Greek references
  in previous postings, read very carefully the following ones:

  D. Arhidakis, "How Greeks protected Jews During WWII," Aristotle
  University Press, Thessaloniki, 1963.

  N. Papapoustidis, "The Involvement of Jews in Greece: Their past, present,
  and Future", Ekdoseis Mounakis, Athens, 1984.

  S. Keratouklis, "Jews and their contribution to Democracy in Greece",
  Ekdoseis Poutsos, Athens, 1991.

  The book by Prof. Dimitrios Arhidakis (from Univ. of Thessaloniki) is highly
  recomended.  All of the above books are writen in Greek.

>Hasan B-) Mutlu


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: laku@vipunen.hut.fi (Lauri H Eklin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: What kind of people are Turks?
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:39:14 GMT
Reply-To: laku@vipunen.hut.fi (Lauri H Eklin)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1992Aug17.141344.4142@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> cza@prefect.UUCP (Cengiz Akgun) writes:

>
>After seeing your howling from Finland, you also better stay home.  
>Sure, It is not a coincidence the things that I heard about
>Finns from Sweds and Norwegians before.  I guess the Scandinavian 
>myth of being most civilized around have exceptions as Sweds and 
>Norwegians pointed out to me once.  I could not belive my ears then.  
>Alas, seeing the 'Finos' (what was called here before me) who are 
>crawling out of their rocks in a dime a dozen fashion has opened 
>my eyes.  What a shame!  One more thing that I keep forgeting.  
>Who knows, the extereme cold temperatures in tundra may be the reason 
>for the manifestation of these type of juvenile delinquency above. 
>
>C. Akgun

	I hate to say this but this is a completely perfect hasan-
reply. Not an answer to a question. Simply an attack-is-the-best-
defence -type of a burst of rage.
	Nobody should make any generalizations about the Turks
based only on hbm -posts. Everybody agrees on that, right? But
I feel that the readers of the net are entitled to read s.c.e.
without having to have 2/3 of the articles killed just because
they are misquotes from books posted by hbm or in other ways
related to hbm.
	Many a reader of this group has unsubscribed in frustration.
The kill -file is at the peak of it's popularity and usefulness in
this group. 
	I ask you fellow net.people to mail me when the ratio of
posts by hbm or related versus non-hbm and non-related will get
better, say 50% - 50%. 
	I know, this is not a well-presented well-argue post.
I don't feel like doing one. It wouldn't be of any use, I'm
afraid.
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Mutlu still can't count (Let's send the guy a Hewlett-Packard)
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


HM>It's probably the retroactive integrator of the imported prince of
HM>Greece.

 Whatever that means. But you still haven't met my challenge: list all
the governments of Greece from 1821 on and expain one-by-one why you
think that the 1828 of the 1924 regimes were not democratic, or why the
80 years of Constitutional Monarchy are not included in your calculation
when you publically describe England as the mother of Democracy.

 Also I see that you stand by your statement that Turkey is the longest
lasting empire in history. Here we are talking counting errors of
centuries, not just decades.

 Start answering my questions, Hasan. Come on boy, you can do it. Take a
deep breath, open up a history book or too. A calculator might help you.

Michael.
                
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: EDUCATION SPECIAL: MAP OF THE WORLD
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:04:37 GMT





<1992Aug14.160502.19425@utkux1.utk.edu>
greg@utkux1.utk.edu (Greg Watson)

>> [blah blah blah]

>What is this crap doing on soc.culture.australian?

Utter bathos. The real question is: what is this 'var*-crap' doing on 
soc.culture.australian?


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Re: Impropriety in soc.culture.tamil vote (Re: soc.culture.tamil)
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:26:22 GMT

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) says, about the
unspeakable mutlu (who else!):


>Selfish? Damned right. I am not in the least interested in reading yet another
>25-line-long quotation about how nasty the Armenians were in 1916. 

Jay, you shouldn't have bothered. That particular message was not a genuine
mutlu, but a forgery (a good one). How can I tell? I have an advantage:
from where I am (Melbourne, Australia), soc.culture.greek is entirely
free of mutlus (and so is soc.culture.turkish, soc.history, and 
talk.politics.soviet). Someone, somewhere in the path from anadolu
to here, has installed an automatic mutlu-killer for those groups.
The funny thing is, it does not work for soc.culture.europe, which
is still infested with mutlus. Strange, but true.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: dogrusou@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Ugur Dogrusoz)
Subject: Test (please ignore)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:04:01 GMT

Just testing....

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: alt.platform-war (Was: Re: RFD: alt.ethnic-war)
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:05:08 GMT





<3033.3248.uupcb@factory.com>
michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

> Duh... Thanks you for the analysis doctor. By the way, I've been on
>USENET since 1988, first through bitnet, then through internet, and now
>through BCpboard. Thats (let me count now) duhh.. 88, 89... no, let's
>start again 89, 90 no... duh......

Imagination can cause plenty of stress, 'Pol*.' You have waffled all
around my original question, which is odd since you could have just
ignored it. Well, I am still waiting for your views on the Armenian
genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, which by the way was presented
in its full form and not just quoted in excerpts.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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