From: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:24:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: kth.1992Apr9.172417.9994
Reply-To: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <WOLFGANG.92Apr9145106@sam.first.gmd.de>, wolfgang@sam.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes:
>[I wrote]
>
>>   >How would you make an arrangement such that you would not have to pay
>>   >VAT on that part of the fare that corresponds to the energy tax on the
>>   >gasoline the taxi driver bought? Can you provide a *working* solution
>>   >to this?
>
>>   Yes.  It's very simple.  Lift off the VAT from all special taxes. If you
>>   want another solution to your taxi-problem, there are two which
>>   come to mind: 
>
>Lifting off VAT from special taxes doesn't help *at all*. In Lars-Henrik's
>example, the taxi company doesn't pay VAT for the gas (they get it refunded
>actually), *but*, you as the taxi company's customer pay VAT on the whole fare,
>including the gas part of the fare. So in fact VAT *was* removed from the
>special tax, yet you pay it, including on the special tax.

But I still would pay less VAT on my own energy tax.  I agree this does 
not give the very best solution, so let's get rid of the gasoline taxes!

>>   1.  Take away the VAT on taxi trips.  I know this is contrary to the 
>>       intention in the taxation reform, but I don't think the reform was 
>>       100 percent good.  
>
>You'd have to take away VAT from everything, since everything uses at least
>some energy in the process of being produced, and thus its price has to
>contain some energy taxes. Of course again, taking away VAT from everything
>might be a viable alternative :-)

I agree on your point.  But this solution was ment to solve the specific 
taxi-problem.

>>   2.  Take away the energy tax.  If you don't want ordinary people, 
>>       "Medelsvensson", to benefit from this, let the transportation
>>       companies (such as taxi co.'s) get a refund of the energy tax, or
>>       deduct it from the VAT they pay to the state. 
>
>Part 1 of this sentence: nice, but somehow they'd get their money from you
>anyway. Part 2: Do you really think this could be done, not causing more
>cost than the actual tax refund ?

Part 1.  I. Glad to hear.   II. I'm afraid so, yes.
Part 2.  Yes indeed. The energy tax which large "consumers" of energy
(taxi companies, large industries etc.) pay adds up to such amounts of
money, the extra administration doing this at the same time as the VAT
refund *should* not cost too much.  (They all have computers, don't
they? :-)  ) 

>>   As you probaly can see, I don't mind if the total taxation is decreased.  
>>   I cannot accept the state (i.e. politicians) saying there is a need to 
>>   increase some taxations to lower others, as long as the state wastes 
>>   some 37 000 000 000 kronor each year or so on the military.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  (*)
>
>:-)
     :-)

 
(*) Or 37 GSEK.  (Happy now, Tomas??)

>Wolfgang Diestelkamp


mats d.

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