HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:54:16 GMT
Organization: Turkey Hall
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

>>And here I must get 
>>"religious" if I am to tell you the reason for this statement.  
>>It's wrong not because I say it's wrong, it's wrong because God 
>>says so.  He makes this very clear in His Word which is never 
>>"out of touch with the times" but is everlasting and just as much 
>>true now as it was thousands of years ago.  This knowledge that 
>>pornography is wrong didn't come from me, it comes from Him and I 
>>believe His truth. 
>
>Too bad not everyone else believes His truth.  That makes your argument
>completely invalid.  If you believe that stuff like the "Be Our Guest"
>parody shouldn't be allowed here, fine.  I don't think you have the right
>to force your morals down others' throats.

Geez, people, this is about the fourth time I've read the phrase "force
[your morals/your religion] down others' throats" in the last ten minutes.

Would you guys chill?  Nobody is going to take away your sacred right to
reject the truth.  Now look back at the post -- "...it comes from Him and I
believe His truth."  OooOOOOOoOOOOOOhhhh, NOW I see what you mean!!  When it
says, "I believe His truth" it is subliminally saying, "Believe this, you
stupid moron, or I will flame you for all eternity."

Come on, people -- where do you get "shoving" *anything* down anybody's
throats??  The dude was expressing his opinion, which is what UseNet is for
in the first place.  So stop being hypocrites in trying to shut up people
who refute your very own claims that nobody should be shut up.
-- 
| "Think!  Put  ||----------------------   Listen to me now, He loves you.
|  your neck on ||   Samuel  Stoddard  ||  Listen to me now, He cares for you.
|  the block!"  ||  ss1@kepler.unh.edu ||  Listen to me now, He wants you to
|  --Professor  ||======================--------------       come home...
|    Jacoby     ||   For God so loved the world...   || Amy Grant, "Sharayah"
|================-------------------==================-----------------------
| Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.--Psalm 119:105 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Michael.Benedict@f166.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Benedict)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:04:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/166

I have a few questions for anyone who can answer them. 1. How many 
drawings dose it take to make 1 min. of an animated cartoon? 2. How 
long dose it usualy take to complete an animated feture like BatB 
from the first drawings to the date of realease? 3. How many people 
dose it take to do it?  Also, im 16 years old and want to be an 
animator or at least be somthing close. What would i have to do to 
become one?   
                                                                    
P.S.  If anyone knows R.J. Williams, tell him im a fan of his and 
      i'd like to meet him one day.
--  
        Michael Benedict  -  via FidoNet Node: 1:363/42
             UUCP:  -  ...tarpit!tous!business!166!Michael.Benedict
             ARPA:  -  Michael.Benedict@f166.n363.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: paul@moore.com (Paul Maclauchlan)
Subject: Re: New Disney Store Open
Organization: Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto ON, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:07:51 GMT

Nigel M Burnett (nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca) wrote:
: Gregory M Marr (gregm@planet10.WPI.EDU) wrote:
: : There is a new Disney Store now open in Massachusetts.
: 
: Disney Stores eh?  Do they exist in Canada?  I've never seen one but

A Disney Store opened in the Eaton Centre (downtown Toronto) this fall.

It is located on the upper floor at the south end (near Queen).  Ride
up the escalalator and circle right towards The Bay.

BTW, it was a tough one to find.  On the mall directory it was listed
alphabetically under "THE Disney Store"...

-- 
.../Paul Maclauchlan
Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
paul@moore.com   -or-  {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
"The cops finally busted Madame Marie,
 For telling fortunes better'n they do"/BS'73
From: rsteele@aludra.usc.edu (Richard Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:01:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: aludra.1dnc6sINNohv
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Don't you think all you yo yo's ought to lay off with the flames allready
and get back to discussing something INTERESTING on this board for a change?
From: Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disney-MGM expansion
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 02:14:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/157 - Compu-Link II, Orlando FL

 JHUOT> I was told last night, that the long awaited 
 JHUOT> expansion of The Disney-MGM
 JHUOT> Studios Theme Park finally started about 2 weeks 
 JHUOT> ago.  Currently, earth
 JHUOT> movers are working round the clock to get the foundations in shape
 JHUOT> quickly.
 
  Actually, the work started last year..  <g>  The expansion is taking place on the NW side of Lake Hollywood, behind that huge berm that appeared one night (fully landscaped).  The expansion will include Sunset Blvd, Toon Town, and (eventually) the Tower of Terror.
 

--  
        Ed Sterrett  -  via FidoNet Node: 1:363/42
             UUCP:  -  ...tarpit!tous!business!157!Ed.Sterrett
             ARPA:  -  Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org
From: jeremys@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeremy "EL HOMBRE" Scheinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Summer jobs?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:58:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am a college student who is also a Disney freak.  I hope, someday, to make Disney my career but I realize that you have to start somewhere.  Are there any summer jobs or internships at WDW and, if so, how do I go about getting one?

Thanks, in advance, for your help.

Oh, almost forgot, This is the greatest news group I have ever seen.  I was so happy when I found this!!!


Please e-mail me with your response.

Look forward to reading from you!!

Jeremy "EL HOMBRE" Scheinberg
From: epatter@willamette.edu (Eric Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Aladdin CD Release?
Keywords: trivia
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:02:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.BxF9Fx.Lsw
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR


ARRRRGH!  I was just in the Disney Store at Clackamas Town Center in Portland,
OR on Friday night, and the "greeter" there told me I shouldn't expect to
see the soundtrack out until after the Nov. 25 release date!  At best, she
said, they might have it the week of Thanksgiving, around Nov. 23.

-- 
+----------------------------------+-------------------+----------------------+
| InterNet: epatter@willamette.edu | eric s. patterson | AOL: ericp23@aol.com |
+----------------------------------+-------------------+----------------------+
From: WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody #2
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:41:22 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Doug, Nice job!   Something much more fitting to this group.  Kudos to you.
Have you started working on a parody for Aladdin?  This might turn into a
full time job for you.  Who knows?

-REID-

******************************************************************************
* Reid S. Woolery                          The Pennsylvania State University *
* (Appl/Sys/Analyst) UTS                   WTQ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                 *
******************************************************************************
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:59:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <25866@optima.cs.arizona.edu> klind@cs.arizona.edu (Konrad "Beezlebub" Lind) writes:
>
>A prime example is in the beginning.  Belle's book, that the bookkeeper
>gives her, has a picture in it, evident by the scene where she sits
>at the fountain and the sheep bites a corner out of the page with the
>picture on it.  Later, Gaston takes the book and asks "How can you
>read this.  It has no pictures."

Lots of books have full-page pictures in the middle.  It certainly
doesn't mean that they are necessarily picture books which are at
Gaston's reading level. :-)

>Another is the Beast's castle.  In the short amout of time since the
>incident with the enchantress and the time of the story, it is amazing
>how nobody even KNOWS about the castle.

A spell was placed on it.  I must say that I was slightly more
amazed at how the enchantress changed all of the servants to objects
(or animated existing objects with their souls, or whatever).  What
perplexes me is how easily the villagers found the castle if they
supposedly don't know about it.  One COULD say that Gaston used the
mirror....

>Any other inconsistencies that people can think of or remember, please
>let me know.  I think they are interesting.  My friend and I love the
>movie (we watch and sing together), but we love finding these odd things
>also.

Keep in mind that some things are not to be questioned in fairy
tales.  I'd think that a living clock and candelabra would give
Maurice a heart attack!


- Robert Cook
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Siskel & Ebert review Aladdin
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:02:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Rich_Koster.10uk@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:
> 
>SISKEL: "That's Robin Williams, of course, as the voice and
>inspiration of the Genie in the bottle in `Aladdin', the new Disney
>animated extravaganza, and he's the *real* star of the movie.  It's
> 
>form and I do recommend it highly.  And I think that Robin Williams
>does deserve to become the first voice to be nominated for best
>supporting actor."
> 
>EBERT: "And it's almost as if Williams must have been working at the
>script level with these people in order to develop this comic stuff.
> 
>EBERT: "Two thumbs up for Aladdin, a new animated musical with
>terrific work by Robin Williams."

Robin Williams presents a Robin Williams production of a Robin
Williams film, "Aladdin." (in association with some guys at Disney)

Producer: Robin Williams
Director: Robin Williams
Writer:   Robin Williams

SISKEL: "I think that 'Aladdin' is a fine sequel to 'FernGully...'"

EBERT:  "I have to disagree with you there--FernGully was animated
by some *former* Disney artists.  But I will say that Robin Williams'
Genie is at least comparable to Batty Coda.  Williams has updated his
list of impressions.  What an original, creative genius!"

SISKEL: "Oh, yes, absolutely.  And what a brilliant move he made!
Using the Disney name to be nominated for an Oscar for an act that
is essentially a rehash of a previous role is truly inspired."

EBERT: "We give Robin Williams two thumbs up."

ME:
I think Robin Williams is a pretty funny comedian, but I vaguely
remember some very good films that Disney released without his help
and his tiresome impressions (he misquotes badly sometimes).  He
seems to make a great GENIE UV THA LA-AMP! but the media's just going
to pump his image up.  Gosh, to think that the name "Disney" would
sputter under that of an actor! (at this point in time, that is)
Who would've thought?  I guess he does deserve some credit for
upstaging Disney.  Congrats, Robin.


- Robert Cook
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:50:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40880
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov10.222656.10049@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>The listed "inconsistencies" aren't inconsistencies.  They are
>instances of differences between the way our reality works and the way
>reality works in BatB-world.
>
>For example, animated characters don't fall until they look down.
>Spilled stuff (like gears, from Cogsworth, or fluid, during "Be Our
>Guest") disappears unless it has an important role later on.  Navels
>have lids, like eyes, but no brows or lashes so they "disappear" when
>closed.  Mass isn't conserved and bottles hold "enough".

That's a good point, which is true to a certain extent.  Remember
that BatB is classical (very) Disney feature.  What would the
audience think if Belle tried to drive a nail and the hammer bounced
back and severely dented her head?  That'd be okay for Lefou, or
even Sebastian, but not for Belle.  BatB is *not* a movie where
*anything* goes (Aladdin is more like that).  These inconsistencies
are inherently rhetorical--something interesting to point out.  As for
Belle saving Beast from his fall; I think there needed to be more
realism (OUR realism) there, so I mentioned it.  Realistic or not,
the audience must be made to believe the story, or maybe they should
stay home and watch Saturday morning cartoons--why pay for a ticket?

As far as "cartoony" animation is concerned, a scene in one of Tex
Avery's Droopy cartoons sums up the release from reality:

A wolf was somehow forced to eat Droopy's television (audience could
see the picture through his stomach).
In the next scene, Droopy had his television in his house again.
He turned to the audience and said "Don't ask me how I got the TV
back."

This is great for Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry, etc., but there are
many exceptions for Disney features.


- Robert Cook
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:00:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BxAyv2.7HD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> summerem@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Erick M. Summers) writes:
>
>	Then in "Be Our Guest" Lumiere states something like "ten years
>we've been been rusting."  That means the prince was 11 when he was changed
>into the beast and the painting is an exact portrait of the way the prince
>looks when he is changed back from a beast and not the way he would have
>looked at age eleven.
>	Any comments?

I noticed this, too.  Assuming that there's nothing strange about an
11-year old prince without parents or a guardian, the portrait is a
problem.  It might not have been as straightforward to use a portrait
of a very young prince.  Then again, if we look at the stained-glass
windows at the beginning, we notice that the prince does look quite
well-grown.  So it wasn't Ashman's oversight--a lot of time was to have
passed.  It was that 21st year thing.  They just couldn't have
Belle (at around...18????) marrying a much older man!  Aha!  In this
case, I believe the story writers were forced to try to slip one by
us, lest they cause a culture clash of some sort.

The little typo in Eric's post ("been been rusting") just reminded
me of a technical error I noticed.  After the Beast sends Maurice on
his way, he offers Belle a bedroom.  He says "You wanna...you wanna...."
Obviously a sound editing glitch.


- Robert Cook
From: klind@cs.arizona.edu (Konrad Lind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Meanings of names
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:45:01 GMT
Drganization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov10.162614.4846@mcs.anl.gov> chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov writes:
>We all know that Belle means beauty, but does Gaston mean anything in
>French?


Gaston, translated literally from the French, means Big Dumb Guy with
Lots of Hair on His Chest.

--
You can pick your friends            I didn't make the world,
And you can pick your nose           I just try to live in it.
And if you're really fast     
You can pick your friend's nose.     klind@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Subject: Re: Little Mermaid videotape question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:06:28 GMT

In <1992Nov6.221332.14337@rock.concert.net> penfold@rock.concert.net (Patricia A White -- Oxford University Press -- MIS) writes:

>I just started reading this newsgroup so forgive my ignorance.
>Is the videotape of the Disney movie (as opposed to Saban) out
>of print (or whatever the corresponding video term may be) already?

>Any ideas on when it'll be back in stores?  (Yeah, yeah, I know I missed
>the boat but I'm hoping for a second sailing)  

Yeah, it's out of print.  I don't know of another release date.  Your best bet
might be to do what I did--post a request on the net.  I think you can do that
here or on misc.forsale.  Actually, misc.forsale isn't supposed to have any
"Wanted" articles, but if you take a look, lots of people ignore it, and you
probably won't get flamed or anything for it.

If you want Beauty and the Beast, better get it kwik, too.  I heard (on this
newsgroup) that it's only out on VHS for five months...

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|                      V I L K A T A     T . D . K .                          |
|                                                                             |
|                     ------dsblack@iastate.edu------                         |
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: Is Beauty and the Beast suitable for 4 year old?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:39:15 GMT

We didn't take our daughter until she was three (+- a couple weeks) because
we didn't think she'd keep still in the theater.  However, every time she
got in the car she wanted to hear the "Kill the Beast" tape.  Finally, at
a second run theater it returned, and we thought we would see if she would
behave well enough.  It was the first time she had ever been quiet for
75 minutes straight.  :-)  She loved it.  Now two months later she has
watched the tape about 20 times.  (No exaggeration, unfortunately.  I've
got to make a copy.)
From: Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Epcot Center Florida
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 02:01:06 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/157 - Compu-Link II, Orlando FL

 DB> Anyone know an email address for Disney people at Epcot Center would
 DB> tickle my wishing dreams to no end.

 DB> David
 
   Well, here's one..  <g>   If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask!  It would be better to avoid netmail, if possible, as I don't YET have a way to respond privately.. (that should change REAL soon)  <g>

--  
        Ed Sterrett  -  via FidoNet Node: 1:363/42
             UUCP:  -  ...tarpit!tous!business!157!Ed.Sterrett
             ARPA:  -  Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org
From: WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Eurodisney Question
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:48:08 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Does anyone have an address for the Eurodisney park?  Do they have a
merchandizing(sp) group like WDW and DL?

-REID-



******************************************************************************
* Reid S. Woolery                          The Pennsylvania State University *
* (Appl/Sys/Analyst) UTS                   WTQ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                 *
******************************************************************************
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:12:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


The direction of the slashes on the Beast's picture caught my eye as
well, but I think it actually works out right.  Remember that the picture
was slanted when Beast claws it, and it was straight when Belle saw it.  
I'll have to watch my tape again (oh, darn) to be sure.  I didn't notice 
the bit about the bell jar but I'll watch for it next time.  I also did
notice the constant changes of the bimbettes' hairstyles.  
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
						---Proverbs
From: Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disney-MGM
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:35:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/157 - Compu-Link II, Orlando FL

  For those who have inquired, or simply wondered, about the outcome of the MGM vs. Disney brouhaha..
 
  "The Walt Disney Company announced that in a decision issued October 23, the Superior Court of the State of California has confirmed the company's exclusive worldwide right to use the MGM name on movie-based theme parks.
  "Micael Eisner hailed the decision in a statement issued following the court's decision.  'The entire Walt Disney Company is delighted that our position in regard to the MGM name dispute has been confirmed and that our exclusive worldwide rights to the use of the MGM name in connection with movie theme parks will continue.  The court's decision effectively means that MGM Grand Hotel may not use the MGM name on any park similar to..or resembling..the Disney-MGM Studios Theme Park Florida, and a similar Di
sney-MGM Theme Park-Europe now being developed.'"

--  
        Ed Sterrett  -  via FidoNet Node: 1:363/42
             UUCP:  -  ...tarpit!tous!business!157!Ed.Sterrett
             ARPA:  -  Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Animated feature update (was KING OF THE JUNGLE)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:51:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Bx76qB.EIw@unix.amherst.edu> atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin) writes:
>
>Elton John did the music and Tim Rice wrote lyrics.  Ahrens and Flaherty
>were signed to do "Song of the Sea", I believe, a story about a young
>whale's coming of age (which doesn't even have tentative release yet).
>I have heard something about Zippel, but nothing in the very near future.
>
>Last I heard, George Scribner and Roger Allers were directing "The Lion
>King", but things may have changed.  Rumor has it that Jeffrey Katzenberg
>has "displaced" several story people working on the project, and I think
>that they have a lot of rewriting to do.  "Pocahontas" *will* be a musical
>and the songs have music by Menken and lyrics by Stephen Schwartz (Pippin,
>Godspell).  Supposedly, the songs that they have written are amazing.

The Nightmare Before Christmas, produced by Tim Burton, will be made
with a stop-action type of animation.  The process being used is more
flexible than usual, resembling claymation to some degree.  The
tentative release date is late 1993 (probably around Christmas).

A studio executive--either Katzenberg or animation department head
Peter Schneider--has once again mentioned the mythical "Silly
Hillbillies on Mars."  It seems to be a feature.  I'll try to dig up
something more substantial.

Jeff Katzenberg says that "Animation has totally seduced me."  This
is a good sign for Disneyphiles, but the overall impression I got
after reading several articles about Aladdin is one of quiet panic.
Katzenberg is not all that happy about Aladdin or future prospects.
He apparently compares Aladdin to Beauty and the Beast and The
Little Mermaid unfavorably.  Several months back, he said that it
would be very difficult to follow up on BatB.  I agree, but I think
the pressure is getting to him.  There are an estimated 20 animated
features currently in development by other studios.  I still don't
see a cause for alarm, considering all the animated failures of
1992, but Disney tries to keep themselves on their toes.

The above opinions are all mine, and the facts come from sources
like The New York Times, Time magazine, Variety, and the Wall Street
Journal.


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney