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From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sophie Aldred's portrayal of the Doctor
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:30:49 GMT
 <1992Nov8.210119.3179@cs.mcgill.ca> <1992Nov9.193953.15736@umbc3.umbc.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov9.193953.15736@umbc3.umbc.edu>, hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.210119.3179@cs.mcgill.ca> timelord@cs.mcgill.ca
> (Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:
> [deleted a lot]
>>Hey, here's a thought for all you Sophie-haters.  What if Doctor Who
>>comes back, and the premere episode features the McCoy regeneration, a
>>la Time [to get a new] Rani.  Ace has just died, and the Doctor is so
>>filled with grief, especially after the series of dreams he had after
>>'Survival,' which were novelised into The New Adventures, in which he
>>treats Ace like [insert favourite explitive here.], and hence takes on
>>her form and personality when he regenerates.  The Eightht Doctor:
>>The Pyromanicial Lady!
>>
>>Picture it:
>>
>>Doctor:  Hmmmm?  The Master's TARDIS?  *Blow it up!*
> 
> Well I don't like Ace, so I guess I'm allowed to respond.
> I kind of like the idea, if it developed something like...
>    [as above] Ace is dead, and the Doctor feels guilt. Due to whatever
>    excuse for his demise, when he regenerates he has the appearance and
>    character of Ace. He is now a she. The new Doctor mets up with The
>    Master in her first adventure in her new form. Being as the Doctor is
>    now fond of explosives, upon finding The Masters Tardis, she decides
>    to blow it up.
>    [ok, now by bit] Due to the Doctors carelessness, the bomb explodes
>    prematurely, causing the Ace-Doctor to be seriously wounded. As the
>    Doctor lies dying, she rues having taken on Ace's traits, and forces
>    the regeneration to come back as a no nonsense Doctor...someone who
>    wouldn't tolerate Ace's nonsense....someone who won't tolerate
>    nonsense from anyone. In fact, she's so upset, she regenerates as
>    someone who just plain wouldn't tolerate anyone, nonsense or not!
>    In other words, Colin Baker returns as the Doctor  ;^)

Noooooooo!!!!!!!!! Death first! Jumping of a leadge.
From: norbeck@procyon.bucknell.edu (She Who Must Be Obeyed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Logopolis title theory
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:17:40 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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>pevans@sanjuan (Patricia Evans) writes:
>
>- In article <=p#qmg+@lynx.unm.edu> xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soh
>- >G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>- >
>- >> So if my theory holds, what does CASTROVALVA and FRONTIOS have to do with
>- >> content of their stories??
>- >
>- "Castrovalva" by Escher is actually just a picture of some buildings
>- high on a hill somewhere in Italy. It's fairly attractive (I use it as
>- my X background) but it is certainly not mindboggling like most other
>- Escher works. It might be considered to be similar to the external
>- view of the buildings in the show, but the interiors were much more
>- similar to other Escher works like "Belvedere". Perhaps the name was
>- taken from "Castrovalva" because the place was supposed to be uncomplicated,
>- and that particular picture is.
>-
>- Patricia Evans
>- pevans@sanjuan.uvic.ca


To be a little more specific in terms of the Escher stuff in question:

Castrovalva is indeed a painting of a town on a hill.  (I might note
that I was rather disappointed by this the first time I saw it after
seeing "Castrovalva").  I do believe, however, that this particular
painting provided the inspiration for the set of the outside of
Castrovalva (If you watch at the beginning and the end of the story
when they're climbing all over rocks and out from rock walls and stuff
I think you'll see what I mean).

"Belvedere" was almost certainly the inspiration for the buildings in
the town.  If you look at that one closely, you'll notice a little
clown-type guy messing with a wooden cube that is, typical of Escher,
physically impossible, like the town of Castrovalva turns out to be.

I have always considered the inspiration for the actual physical
impossibility of the town to be "Relativity," also referred to in many
Castrovalva-related stuff I've read as "the one with all the steps."
This is the painting which features 3 large stairtowers which have
people climbing them on both sides of each staircase, going in
opposite directions.  It also has people walking around and sitting at
tables on different planes--some are horizontal and sme are vertical.
It's a really cool idea and is well worth looking into if you've never
seen it (All of Escher is--he tends to take your sense of reality and
blow it all to hell).

Anyway, that's my own personal theory, for your pleasure of what have you.
--
|.."I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice..|....Nancy Norbeck.....|
|......Krispies."  Charles Emerson Winchester III......|.norbeck@bucknell.edu.|
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Time Lord Role Playing Game?
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:30:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Nov9.153045.3823
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone here know if the US release of the "Time Lord" role
playing game has occured yet? (I'm talking about the Task Force Games
lisenced release based on Doctor Who, not the BTRC game "TimeLords"
which is quite different.

Thanks,
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: shakespeare's influence a
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:23:46 EST

If you can send a copy of Castrovalva, can you make it a GIF or TIF
scan, so that we may all download it?
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From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:49:28 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <BxJw4F.19p@newcastle.ac.uk>, G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
> doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe) writes:
> 
>>In article <domalley.721328842@unix1.tcd.ie> domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>>> In <1992Nov7.161803.3073@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery) writes:
>>> >In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:
>>> >>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
>>> >Quincy!
>>> It's Doctor Kildare! ;-)
>>Leonard McCoy? :-)
> 
>  Doogie Howser? :-)
> 
> Gareth
> 
no, no, you fools-it's Trapper John, MD!  Sheesh...

Spock out...
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From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Re: shada?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:00:37 GMT

In article <92317.155749IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>  Has anyone ever seen the "incomplete" episode of the fourth Doctor,
>  entitled "Shada"?  I believe it was written by Douglas Adams, and
>  that It couldn't be released due to a strike at the BBC.  I would
>  also like to know if a novellization was ever published for this
>"missing link".....

Not to sound obnoxious or anything....BUT.....

You can buy your own copy of Shada at your local video store...if they don't
have it, tell them to get it!

Pertinant info follows:
SHADA
CBS/FOX Video
Cat. #:  5730


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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Visions '92 (are we going to attempt another get together?)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 06:31:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu



Well,
Visions '92 is just over 2 weeks away & I was wondering if we the
readers of rec.arts.drwho are going to have another "getting to know
you" get together?

Hoping to see y'all at Visions,

...when all else fails, duck. It's not practical, but it can be
momentarily comforting,
                                       --UNIT Procedures Manual,
                                         Zen Division
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From: alex.soto@analog.com (Alex Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who video releases in US?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:11:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Originator: soto@thor



Hi,
	I'd like to know if anyone here knows whether there will be more
Dr. Who videos coming out soon (in the US).  If they do, can they post what 
will come out and what is its' projected date?  Thanks.
		Mystic

(alex.soto@analog.com)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly)
Subject: Re: Voting for ballot is under way;
Summary: so, Vote!
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:51:29 GMT

In article <retief.721000464@mchem3.al.iastate.edu> retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) writes:
>In <lfitghINN26j@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> clay@hydra2f.cs.utk.edu (Clay Breshears) writes:
>
>Sorry I haven't spoken up on this earlier, I just found out about it
>today. 8-)
>
[...]
>I've already decided to stop posting mine, if anyone asks for one I
>can still send it out tho.  I never did maintain it except for simple
>typo corrections.
>
[...]
>
>This(the above) seems to me to be a most incredible amount of bandwidth waste,
>and I for one won't even consider posting, let alone maintaining this
>list.
[...]
>)|>   Let us as readers of r.a.dw carefully consider the above resolution.
>
>If anyone really WANTS to start a moderated group _I_ certainly shan't
>try to stop them, but I won't moderate it.  I would be willing to pass
>the keeper of the list responsablity on to the moderator tho.
>
>-- 
>Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu>  IowaStateUniversity.  ComS Jr.
>"Wait a minute, you expect me to THINK?!" -Me, during a(ny) test.

This is why I posted encouraging discussion. It does seem vague.
But, if you want your vote to count, e-mail it to me..
 
:-)
Sarah
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: stallone buys police box
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:38:49 EST

-> This leads to the intriguing possibility of Shwarzie playing such
-> famous "Who" roles as The Karkus or even Pex if they ever get around
-> to making the definitive "Who" movie.
-> Or how about a New Adventure novel in which The Doc meets The
-> Terminator???  The Doctor can have a squeaky little companion called
-> "Rocky" who can't speak in words of greater than one syllable :)

 Excuse me whilst I vomit.

 :-)

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: Ace? More like deuce... here's a new slant
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:14:16 GMT

Aaaack, just one note...

This last message of mine was sent from the wrong account.  My .forward
is messed up, so if anyone wants to take stuff to e-mail, send it to
jblum@umd5.umd.edu, not jblum@wam.

thanks...
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Shakespeare's influence and some other stuff
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:18:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) says:

>
>	Don't forget Kinda...as well as the fact that most of the
>story was based on 'The Tempest' (a.ka. The Forbidden Planet) the
>Doctor at one point says "Such things as dreams are made of[on]".
>Fascinating or what?
>


There's also mention of "the undiscovered country" in one of the
parts of TOaTL.

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From: whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (C J Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Stallone buys TARDIS
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:39:08 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester


Apparently Sylvester Stallone bought a police box at an auction
of TV memorobilia.  It wasn't the Doctor Who prop,  but an identical
one from Dixon of Dock Green.  God knows what he wants it for!
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From: esum@sol.UVic.CA (Edmund Sum)
Subject: looking for 25mm DW lead minis
Originator: esum@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 12:37:03 GMT

I realize that the production of these 25mm Doctor Who lead minis have stopped
but I'm wondering if there is anyplace that might still have them available?
Mail-order or whatever.  I specifically looking for the Companions sets.
Any help is appreciated and please reply through email, I do not read this
group often.  Thanks.

Ed Sum
esum1@ra.uvic.ca
esum@sol.uvic.ca

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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Keywords: Gordon Bennett
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.170523.8504@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>afterall, it took me awhile to figure out what the hell a Gordon Bennett 
>was, and what that phrase meant.  Adric never came off to me as charming, 

I still don't know.  What is it, anyway?

>he tended to be too much like the Romana's - smug and he certainly had his 
>pouty bouts also.
>

Or, as we used to refer to him on this group:  Adric, Who Was Bloody Awful 
(Or Adric(WWBA) for short :^)

>
>I am also a Scorpio.

And I'm a Liberator!  (OK, it's a lame joke, but...)

>
>Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
>morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
>

Jeremy Hall
Penn State University
jdh@math.psu.edu

>Gosh, I do love these stimulating discussions!  At least it gets me away 
>from any real work....

Real work?  What's that...  :^)
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From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: Movie
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:30:27 GMT

In article 50A@ucunix.san.uc.edu, spenceb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Brad A. Spencer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.204651.16058@wam.umd.edu> pjaffe@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (Paul I. Jaffe) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.113817.298@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
>>writes:
>>> In article <BxHA3H.D39@news.orst.edu>, schatzj@WTFD.ORST.EDU (Jeremy  
>>Schatz) writes:
>>> >     This is my first time posting her , so please excuse any mistakes.
>>> >     
>>> >     I was wondering what was going on with the Dr  movie that is being
>>> >     produced in America. Is this still happening? And does anyone know  
>>when
>>> >     it will be released.
>>> >     
>>> > 	 Thank You e
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God, I hope not!  
>>> 
>>> My cousin found and bought a pirate copy of the script for this proposed
>>> movie and I read some of it.  I had to stop about a third of the way in
>>> because I couldn't stand it anymore.
>>> 
>>
>>Actually, it sounds kind of interesting. Where did you get that script? I  
>>would like to see it.
>
>Just for general information.  I saw a copy of a Dr. Who movie script
>at a Star Trek convention.  I didn't get it as it was a bit on the
>expensive side.  I assume that it was a pirate copy.

I saw a synopsis of this script in one of the UK fanzines (can't remember which one) about a year ago. Call me picky, but after reading it I was glad that the film hadn't been made. In my opinion, and I would like to stress that it is my opinion alone, it was complete and utter drivel, bearing very little relation to the Docter Who concept that we all know and love.

The fanzine may have been "DWB" or "Vision".


Phil Isherwood
pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Quizze 9 results and now Quizze 10
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 06:22:06 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Number 6) writes:

 [stuff deleted]
-
- I have already written and explained to Dave about this error on my part.  I
- accidentally hit "F" to follow up instead of "R" to reply becuase I had
- spent the better part of the night following up to message on other boards
- and hit the wrong key out of habit.  I didn't know what I had done until I
- sent the damn thing, so I wrote to Dave immediately and apologized.  I tried
- to cancel the article, but it apparently did no good.
-
- I have received an inordinate amount of commentary on this incident and find
- it surprising that people are so willing to assume the worst.  I have been
- posting to this board for almost 5 years and this is the first time
- something like this has happened.  I hope all of you will be understanding--
- it was simply an accident.
-
- I apologize to all r.a.d. readers who participate in this quiz for my
- mistake.  I especially apologize to Dave because of all the work he puts
- into them.
-
-
- Neil Marsh
- The Whoosier Network

  Every person of the newsgroup, calm down, ORDER!!

  Neil, you had an accident, you apologize, apology accepted, you are
forgiven, it was a mistake.  The same thing happened to James Bennett and the
nuclear exchanges seemed to have been kept to a minimum.  So, Neil, i
understand what happened, went on a small flame-spree, but nothing seriuos.

  With all said:

   1) Ghosts and ethers can get into the Net.

   2) Neil, could you post ALL the fiery letters sent to you.  It's time
      to clean up.  And I do mean ALL, with the exception of gareth, and
myself.  Let's see who's clean after this!!

   The Trivia Quizmaster speaketh.


Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: jblum@next02csc.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: Seventh Doc Quality
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:32:01 GMT

In article <torresce.721421522@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>  
torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) writes:

> To me Ace isn't real b'cse of her reactions to things.  For example, she  
is 
> supposed to be human and yet when she sees Daleks or other creatures  
whom she 
> encounters for the first time, she hardly shows any fear.   This to me  
is 
> unrealistic.

You do have to realize, by the time we meet Ace, she has spent an
indeterminate amount of time swanning around the galaxy, eventually
ending up on Iceworld.  The novelty / shock value of hostile aliens,
whether they're Daleks or obnoxious pig-faced galactic ambassadors
who stiff her for a tip in the Iceworld bar, kind of wears off after
a while.

Also, her time as a street punk on Earth probably hardened her a bit
too.  To put it in Earthbound terms -- if someone from a nice suburban
life saw someone using streetlamps for target practice with a 9mm,
they'd probably be horrified or shocked.  Someone who had lived in
certain neighborhoods in DC would probably barely turn their head.
Ace doesn't seem to be a stranger to violence and hostility, no matter
what shape it comes in.

> But as I said before, I like to
> watch the program for a conflict involving the Doctor and not a mere
> companion of his.  I actually wouldn't mind Ace at all, if the future  
episodes 
> after survival would have dealt with the Doctor solely (and perhaps  
worked
> on increasing the menace that the Master used to be!)

Personal preference, I guess. I happened to like putting more of the
focus on the human characters, with the Doctor as a weird outsider --
kind of the way it was in the early days of William Hartnell.

> Again I repeat that Ace isn't my worst, so I am not flaming against her  
in 
> any way.  Just sharing what I think/felt from her.

Which I'm grateful for.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: McCoy
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:51:35 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> 	Off the McCoy topic, I was just wondering if anyone else notice how
> the series seemed to lack something after the sonic screwdriver was destroyed
> in "The Visitaion"?
> -- 
> 			     ---David---
> 			perl@acsu.buffalo.edu
> 
> "If I knew everything that was going to happen, where would all the fun be."


Yes, David, I did notice something lacking after the sonic screwdriver
was destroyed in "the Visitation," and I'm surprised somebody else saw
it too.  After "The Visitation," the show lacked the sonic screwdriver!
Makes you think, eh?

Steven.K.Manfred