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From: Keith R. Elflein <kre@po.CWRU.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Magic Shop
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:58:44 GMT
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Subject: Magic Shop
From: A.j. Drew, A.j..Drew@f520.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:51:00 EST
In article <1070578.2B667A31@cmhgate.fidonet.org> A.j. Drew,
A.j..Drew@f520.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG writes:
>For the purpose of discussion, nothing in this post is to be considered
>slight of hand.  Please feel free to add the j, k, or what ever other
>distinction you feel necessary.
>
>I am considering opening a Magic Shop to be called City Witch.  The idea
>is to offer a Magic Convienance store for city dwelling Witchs.  I would
>like sudjestions of items to carry.  Think of things friends have come
>to you for, things you get from friends, ect...  Remember, there are A
>LOT of sole practicioners who don't have friends or covens to turn to
>for supplies.
>
>Any input is more than welcome.
>

A.J. ,
	I can tell you what i need that i cannot find: Ritual Tools...Essential
oils...herbs (no potpourri please :) for incense...charcoal incense
burner...and other miscellaneous paraphennalia..you might want to carry
wiccan/pagan subscriptions, too. All of these things i have to mail all
over the country for..it would be a nice convenience if i could get in my
car and drive over and pick them up. I hope that helps.. :)
B*B,
Keith
"Double double, toil and trouble...fire burn and cauldron bubble!" -
*hahaha* Don't ya love it!
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: boston area alt.paganers????
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:37:37 GMT

In article <C1F995.A7q@world.std.com>, marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>
>>>Oh yes, the singing group Mother Tongue is excellent. The latest tape
>>>Fire Dance is awesome (even our two year old, keep saying "play Fire Dance")
>>>when we ask what she likes to hear.
>
HEY!  since this thread still lives, and prolly all y'all locals are
still reading it - is anybody going to the Mother Tongue concert in
february who is passing through natick and can give me & katy a ride?
orny has to work that weekend (system gods get no rest, i swear!)

>>Hey, this makes you the third Boston area alt.paganer with a two year
>>old!  (Actually, mine is 1 1/2, but close enough.)  Now I'm really looking
>>forward to a get together.  (Do I hear other readers saying "oh no,
>>anything but three two year olds.")
>
> Hey, two to six is my favorite age. Especially when more than one of them
> try to interact. As my hometown friends used to say, babies are the best
> party toys. Besides, yours is particularly well-behaved and entertaining.
> ;->
>
katy used to be...  the move seems to have altered her temperment a
bit...  she'll settle though.  (i hope.)  but it's nice to know that so
many of us have kids...  maybe a pagan kids playgroup?

                                                -ailsa

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 LIfe moves so mysterious with its cute little spins        ________
 And it's everyone's koan and door to get in        Silence \      / Action
 It's old human nature, it's cold or it's hot          =     \    /    =
 I think of you often, I like you a lot              Death    \  /    Life
 But if it's snowin' in Brooklyn                               \/
 I'd say snow is what we got.           -Ferron
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 14:39:25 EST
From: <IO10184@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Interesting Group

in article: <21JAN199309300453@pavo.concordia.ca>
a_weitz@pavo.concordia.ca (WEITZMAN, ANDREW)writes:

> I have an interesting view on the subject, being a member of a Chicago
> Xchristian group that worships a Goddess.

   Along those lines you might be interested in a book entitled
The Hebrew Goddess by Raphael Pataifrom Wayne State University press
in Detroit. From the cover:

       The hebrew Goddess demonstrates that the Jewish
religion, far from being pure monotheism, contained from
earliest times strong polytheistic elements, chief of which
was the cult of the mother goddess.

    I just got the book and so have not yet had a chance to read
it, but it is sure to be interesting.
             Peace to All
                Pat

                       *********************************
                       *Nuke a gay whale for christ!   *
                       *Pat is IO10184@MAine.Maine.edu *
                       *********************************
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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Ritual Abuse
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:32:31 PST

From: burkel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (a liberal pumpernickel)

Um, taking the perspective of a pagan, a psych minor, a sexual abuse
survivor and generally something that qualifies in the anthropological
sense as a human, I just wanted to add a few cents here.

(deletions)

or experience with cults.  We simply have too much symbolism embedded
in our collective unconscious, related to the devil, etc, to avoid
that threat.

But, um, I don't think there are too many reputable therapists out
there claiming that satanic abuse is valid. If there are, I guess
I missed it, sorry.

The only thing sad about this, to me, is that satanic cults cut the
fringe of the unmainstream religions. I don't have to tell anyone
here that.  I think that what needs to be addressed is how to make

HEAVY EMPHASIS (mine)

the leap of logic from"look at all the satanic cult abuse" to,
"let's kill all those pagan, ungodly, commie weirdo freaks" UNlogical.

(End Emphasis)

Did any of that malke sense?

I know I didn't pass the past threads through my own little needle,
bu that was MY cut on things....

Blessed Be,

Laura, the one who states the obvious until she gets it right

Endquote.

  Sense enough, I think.  I've never seen an example of ritual abuse.
I've been the victim of a witchhunt.  May you never suffer the same.

Al Moore
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From: radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Catalogs! Lots of Catalogs! (long)
Organization: The Radzykewycz Clan; Newark, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:20:37 GMT

vossdavi@student.msu.edu (Lisa Ann) writes:
> Due to popular request, I am posting my list of catalogs.

You can add to that:

   Earthlore: Illustrated catalogue of Magickal Supplies
1442 A Walnut St
Berkeley, CA  94709
(510) 540-0671

They call themselves "A Northern California cottage industry."
pouches, dream pillows, cloaks, wands, etc.  Sorry, I don't
know if the catalogue costs anything.  16pp, with illustrations.

Bear Blessings!

			-- radzy

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	T. O. Radzykewycz		|  An it harm none,
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|  do as ye will.
					|
	radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com       |
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
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From: kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto)
Subject: Re:  Of Many things...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:31:35 GMT

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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
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<1993Jan20.054201.11899@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Status: OR


I haven't seen a mention yet of the symbol I want to wear (although I hav
n't
gotten it, and have had a difficult time finding one I like).

Is anyone else attracted to the triple crescent? The one I like has three
crescents sort of woven together in the middle so that their horns stick
out. I really like this one, because I really like the triple goddess ide
.

This past weekend I finally made my field-trip to Abyss in Easthampton, M
. 
Cool place; carries a lot of stuff. I kinda went a little crazy with the 
checkbook. :-> In any case, I got a very nice pewter (I think) pendant th
t
features a crescent moon with a woman's profile in the center; her hair
tousles around the inside edge of the moon. I'm quite fond of it already,
and
I think it will be a pretty good pagan symbol that won't upset the masses
 I
already wear a brass Willendorf goddess, and she doesn't raise any more 
problems than you might normally get by wearing a naked fat lady. :-> I l
ve
her, because I'm kinda shaped the same way, and she helps me remember tha
 I
don't have to be thin to be right.

Anyway, I've rambled --

Marty



=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
=+=+=
"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   

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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: boston area alt.paganers????
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:03:53 GMT


In article <52-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP>, ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
writes:

> so, which weekend?  how soon shall we shoot for?  i've had one person
> volunteer his house so far for a gathering.  how many people are
> interested?

The Questions:

    1)	Indoors or out?
    2)	How soon?
    3)	What time of day?

One possible set of answers:

    1)	Well, if we're going to do anything in the next two months,
	INDOORS (but perhaps with outdoor access :-) )
    2)	Howzabout within the next month?  I'll suggest Feb. 21 or 28
	(if you can stand doing something on a Sunday!)
    3)	Maybe afternoon, running into a pot-luck supper?
	Or perhaps supper, running into the evening?

If we can pick a good date, I'll come!

				- - Steve



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Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival,
April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: wearing pagan/pentacle jewelry
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:33:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.180056.21127@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes:
>
> I wouldn't call myself a "Susan Cooper Pagan", but I certainly did
> love her books.  (BTW Ailsa: What is "aAA" in "imnaAAsho"?)  Even
> if we aren't Welsh, we can try to be Welsh in spirit.
>
*blush*  oh, [fill in preferred deity here], i don't remember anymore!
ack!  serve me right for trying to be clever.  well, imneVho, would be
In My Not Even VAGUELY Humble Opinion...
>
> Ailsa's in Boston, and if that isn't enough, Susan Cooper's there, too.
> I WANNA GO TO BOSTON!
>
well, if you DO come to boston, you are welcome to crash at our place...

                                                -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                           ailsa@wonky.uucp
 LIfe moves so mysterious with its cute little spins        ________
 And it's everyone's koan and door to get in        Silence \      / Action
 It's old human nature, it's cold or it's hot          =     \    /    =
 I think of you often, I like you a lot              Death    \  /    Life
 But if it's snowin' in Brooklyn                               \/
 I'd say snow is what we got.           -Ferron
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From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Magic Shop
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:24:20 GMT

In article <1070578.2B667A31@cmhgate.fidonet.org> A.j..Drew@f520.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (A.j. Drew) writes:
>I am considering opening a Magic Shop to be called City Witch.  The idea
>is to offer a Magic Convienance store for city dwelling Witchs.  I would
>like sudjestions of items to carry.  Think of things friends have come
>to you for, things you get from friends, ect...  Remember, there are A
>LOT of sole practicioners who don't have friends or covens to turn to
>for supplies.
>
>Any input is more than welcome.

Well, the thing that I have noticed most people need, and I try to
provide it as much as possible when I can is _networking_...  A lot
of solitaries are not with a group because they don't know how/where
to find a group, much less approximately how many others of them are
around.  Definitely keep stocked up on addresses & newsletters of
local pagan groups, and when possible, calendars of upcoming events.
And if you use your store space after hours for various events (as
the magick stores in my area do - they have circles, recovery meetings,
etc., after hours in the store), make sure it's well-posted so that
people who just stop by for a look around will know.  And, I guess,
try to be friendly & encouraging, because newbies to paganism/Wiccan/
WitchCraft/magick tend to be kinda shy & reserved about it at first,
until they finally manage to find each other out there.  

:) 
Blessed bee and sacred hornet.
Angela

-- 
**************************  angelai@wam.umd.edu  ****************************
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Winds' Four Quarters"
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:43:58 GMT
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In article <1993Jan22.202916.27750@fuug.fi> an5445@anon.penet.fi (Bad Elf) writes:
>	I have been informed by someone who I believe has good reason to
>know that the song "Winds' Four Quarters" by Mercedes Lackey (found on the
>filk tapes "Magic, Moondust, and Melancholy" and "Oathbound" and frequently
>performed at SF&F conventions and SCA bardic circles) is basically a
>Wiccan invocation of the Goddess.  I would be very interested in comments
>on this; it's one of my best performance numbers, but I would probably either
>drop it or cut down on its use if it turns out that it's a "real" religious
>song and not a "pretend" one.  I have no problems whatsoever with Wiccans
>or other pagans (I wouldn't travel in the circles that I do now if I did),
>but I feel fairly strongly about using a religion not my own to entertain
>people or to "freak the mundanes".  Any comments on this would be greatly
>apprieciated.

 Mercedes Lackey has gone out of her way to not comment on her religion or
beliefs. Because of this, I think you are going to have a hard time
finding out FOR SURE whether she wrote it as a Wiccan invocation.

 Considering that she has a number of books with Wiccan main characters
and other things she has written, I have guessed she is Wiccan in the past
when forced to give an opinion. Because of her personal feelings in the
matter, those that know for sure what her religion (if any) is, of which I
have met one or two, have refrained from saying anything because it isn't
their business.
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: ailsa, do you have a cat?
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:21:21 GMT

In article <2B6064CF.13449@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
> Well?
>
yup.  three of them: Silver, Puggle (aka Puggy, or Poog), and Girl Yeep.
poog is a maine coon cat, about half grown.  silver, his brother, is NOT
a coon cat, just a standard tabby (although not SO standard - he is a
lovely pure tabby with no white on him at all).  girl yeep is silver's
daughter and our resident household Goddess, generally known as the
Little Cat Goddess.  you'd have to meet her to understand, but she's the
best sort of deity - she gives her favors to her worshippers quite
freely.  yeepy is a very small cat, puggle is on the way to being a very
large cat, and the two of them snuggle a lot...

can you tell i am fond of my beasts?  B)

                                                -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                           ailsa@wonky.uucp
 LIfe moves so mysterious with its cute little spins        ________
 And it's everyone's koan and door to get in        Silence \      / Action
 It's old human nature, it's cold or it's hot          =     \    /    =
 I think of you often, I like you a lot              Death    \  /    Life
 But if it's snowin' in Brooklyn                               \/
 I'd say snow is what we got.           -Ferron
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: latest update on the Circle thing - SF Bay Area Pagans PAY ATTEN
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:59:30 GMT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

> 
> In article <TuHoXB2w164w@tweekco.uucp>, alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) write
> 
> (....big snip....)
> 
> > He is
> >now turning his attention to pagan activities in San Francisco (BAPA, beware
> >       
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Time to go for the guns people!
> 
> 	I think we need to start a telephone tree and caravan list so that 
> when Fenholdt does come after us and our stores, we can have a group 
> protecting in minutes. I would also suggest that we don't wear our athames 
> to avoid concealed weapons charges and such..double bladed knives are illegal
> in SF by local ordinence, must be openly displayed elsewere....actually this 
> should be a new subject. Defence techniques anyone?
> 
> 
> 			-Ashley,
> 			who is going to take a class 
> 			and re-new an old mace licence....

Not a bad idea. By the way, for those who would like to be in touch
with a pagan anti-discrimination group (where I got the info I quoted)
contact amer@Blue.Kludge.com ... the reason why I posted this and
not that organization is despite appearances, they're on Bitnet and
don't have direct Usenet access... 
Amer is Alliance of Magical and Earth Religions...
Blessings,
A.Lizard

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From: Alan Deacon
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: body paints
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:34:37 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:

>If you want a good strong black pigment use the age old blackist of black
>pigmints used scence man discuvered te efects of fire->CARBON<- 
>to get something that wont warsh off with just plane water mix it into fat
>so that it wont bind with water. BTW if you put carbon in water it wont
>just wash of with water. Infact you wont get it out of your cloths at all.
>Carbon mixed into water is called Indean ink and nothing is more permaninte
>on cloth, paper and may tack a few days to get off your skin. Thou it has
>never tacken me more then two and I do have a tendincy to mack a mess on my
>self when using it.

>Elf-Kin

That explains it. I was making paint at a living history event, and thought
it would be okay for the kids to grind some up, as I hadn't mixed in any
medium yet. No medium - no paint, just colour I thought. I got a few letters
back from parents saying Johnny's nice white apron was still thoroughly
black - and what was the manor going to do about that Journeyman stainer,
and by the way had they seen that blue streak down the side of the moat
house where the stainers had been washing their slab out the window!

--
	Alan Deacon
	Central Computing Service		Email: a.deacon@ucl.ac.uk
	University College London		Tel: +44 71-380 7359
	Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT		Fax: +44 71-388 5406
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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Delurk
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <20JAN199320322778@pavo.concordia.ca>,
a_weitz@pavo.concordia.ca (WEITZMAN, ANDREW) writes:

> BTW: about the "black athame or white" thread--my
> fellow Wiccan, black athames are for formalwear, but
> go with white for that refreshing, casual look.

Andrew,

I'm sorry, but I don't know WHERE you get your information
on etiquette!  Please!  White athame is MUCH more formal
than Black!

				- - Steve



--
Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival,
April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: people who sent me their addresses
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:23:02 GMT

Some people on the net sent me their addresses because they wanted zoxes
of the Etruscan letters, and me being the bonehead I am, I lost them.
If it's not too much trouble, could you . . . uh . . . send me them
again?

Spank you very hard,
Janis
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Cleveland Witches
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:09:37 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Do you folks in Cleveland know that you've got one of the great collections
of rare magical books in your Public Library (within the folklore collection
among the Special Collections)?  I've never used it, but there's a published
catalogue.  I seem to remember some truly rare grimoires in the catalogue.
-- Robert

(Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM)
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Boston area alt.paganers??
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:59:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.195644.24854@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, mist@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Paul Timmins) writes:
>
>    Hrm, maybe slightly more specific directions? Kinda vaguish.. coming
> from boston direction. Sounds worth checking out on a boring sunday

well, i know you have to drive through westboro to get there.  beyond
that, i haven't the vaguest.  i don't drive, and i am notoroiysly
absent-minded.  it's really REALLY worth finding, just don't ask ME to
get you there...  unless you want to see a LOT of the rest of
masachusetts first!  *grin*

                                        -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                           ailsa@wonky.uucp
 LIfe moves so mysterious with its cute little spins        ________
 And it's everyone's koan and door to get in        Silence \      / Action
 It's old human nature, it's cold or it's hot          =     \    /    =
 I think of you often, I like you a lot              Death    \  /    Life
 But if it's snowin' in Brooklyn                               \/
 I'd say snow is what we got.           -Ferron
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