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andrew delic writes:

> Should I be feeling safe with my money now?  After all, I am dealing
> with a reputable company and a professional advisor who is in tune with
> the market and knows what's going on and whats coming up, etc.
> 
> What do you think?

Andrew

Can't give an opinion without knowing the company name, what earnings are
projected etc...Many of the giants of today did start off as penny stocks - 
investors at the time had to be willing to take the big risk to get the 
big return!

dANIEL
From: louis@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Louis Schmittroth)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Japanese business strategy
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:15:20 GMT

mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:

>In an article, dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening) writes:
||So much for your strong American consumer backlash.  Since you obviously
||didn't hear about the big DRAM price rise, the American consumer couldn't
||have been screaming very loud.

|How many folks are even *aware* what a DRAM is?  The "American consumer"
|is not a population of techo-nerds -- the bulk of them are end-users of
|consumer electronics items such as the VCR, CD player, etc.  I doubt that
|they would sit still for a 25% increase in price.

|But if you believe that it's the right thing to do, go convince your aunt
|Lois that the VCR she has always wanted is now going to cost her an extra
|$50 because the US government wants to give the Japanese a spanking.

1. The increase in RAM is not going to make $50 difference in the price
of a VCR.  $10, maybe nothing.  Where did you get the $50?
2. Even if it did, would I like it?  Yes:
	a. lower trade deficit
	b. more savings for investment -- maybe
	c. The *American* and almost by default, the Canadian markets
	   are too open.
3. There are other concerns for a nation to consider rather than the
absolutely lowest prices for consumers.  Japanese goods have long been
much higher for Japanese consumers which helped make up for cheap prices
in the US.
4. The loss of jobs in a nation means more that a few dollars on the
price of consumer electronics.
5. Wake up and pay some attention to *manufacturing in the US before it
is too late.
6. And yes, my Aunt Lois is sympathetic to paying a bit more for a
product produced in Canada or the US once I explain the downside of
manufacturing everything offshore.

|-- 
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|Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: IDEA
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:16:09 GMT

In article <1426500305@igc.apc.org> mcaldon@igc.apc.org (McAldon International Inc.) writes:
>
>Doubtless you all know that Mr. Panic, the California businessman, is
>trying to take over in Jugoslavia bu ousting the current Serb leader,
>Milosevich (sp?), who is raising so much hell over there.  Panic owns
>much of ICN pharmaceuticals, listed on NYSE, which has large interests
>in that part of the world.  IF Panic manages to win the forthcoming
>election, seems to me it will boost ICN's recently-sagging stock price.
>Maybe also SPI Pharmaceutical, listed, I think, on the Amex. Does anyone
>out there know more about this intriguing situation? DMcKenzie

I don't know more, but I did have a few opposite thoughts. What would happen
if he is assassinated or is put in prison for 10+ years? His opponent is a 
former Communist leader who does believe in use of force on the press thru
the security police.

>                           
>|                        |      "Time is the best teacher.      |    
>|    mcaldon@igc.org     |    Unfortunately, it kills all its   |
>|                        |    pupils."   Hector-Louis Berlioz   |
>|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
From: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Could someone talk to me about Novell (NOVL-OTC)
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:16:39 GMT
Reply-To: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Organization: Intel-Corp,_Hillsboro,_Oregon

In article <1992Dec16.201651.22063@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
|>... 
|> This time I've got some bad vibes, however, because of all the chatter I hear
|> about Microsoft's future domination of all PC networking systems (things that
|> will make NOVL's products obsolete, etc.).  I have to confess that I don't
|> know as much about this as I should.  Does anyone on misc.invest have any 
|> comments on NOVL's future viability?  I'm always interested in any opinion.
|> 
NOVELL is a solid company. Technically, they can make Microsoft sweat in the 
networking area. Rumour has it that a few companies are trying or have
tried to buy it. Yesterday, some business program on TV reported that Apple 
is engaged in serious negotiations to acquire Novell, but the major shareholders
are not sufficiently enticed yet....  So, do'nt sell NOVELL short!!.

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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Where to turn when stock funds come down
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:50:42 GMT

In article <BzEvF1.6HL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:
>
>Only about 10 more trade days to go and the predicted market crash (2800)
>has not appeared for 1992.  All those market prophets now talk about
>a rally in 1st quarter 93 (3500), then slids back to 3200.  So, I am
>scared.  What should I do if I sense (ha!) an eminant market crash?
>Where should I move my growth funds investment to?  (I want to stay
>in mutual funds.)
>
>	1) bond funds?
>	2) balance funds?
>	3) GNMA funds?
>	4) Money Market fund and back in when the market bottoms out (Ha!)
>	5) Under my mattress?

You didn't list Gold Funds as an option!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:44:52 -0500 
From: Joel Bloch <jb6k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: snapple IPO

There was an interesting news item on the Snapple IPO that illustrates
the problem small investors have with IPOs. CNBC said that institutional
investors got all the stock and traded it among themselves until it
reached $28. The public got in at 28$ and drove the stock to $33. Then
there was more dumping and the stocking went down to about $28-29. That
means all the institutional investors made money and few of the public
could unless they got in and out between $28 and $33.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!!
Keywords: What is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:53:29 GMT

elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy) writes:

>Microsoft took about $6.00 dip in the last two days,  any body knows why ?!

>elkordy

In addition to the information about the FTC injunction that someone
else posted, there is renewed concern about Microsoft's ability to
meet earnings expectations in the European market.

Earlier this year Microsoft dropped to $88 because of an analyst's
concern about competition from Lotus. It later recovered.

However, now there is renewed concern because of the changes
in Europe. Previously, Microsoft has been able to charge premiums
of 90% in France, vs. only 20% or so in Britain (I'm not sure
about the exact percentages). However, because of the European 
Common Market (ECM) it is quite easy for someone in France to
order Microsoft products from Britain. This means that the 
premiums must be brought in line, and Microsoft may not be able
to make as much money.

There was also an off the wall lawsuit by some company against
Microsoft for 8.8 billion (billion!) dollars. I think most
think the amount is way out of line. The company was 
accused of pirating MS-DOS.

All of these things happened in the last day or so. 

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Re: Invest in Rock Band!!
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:09:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

<32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> Trigger Happy is one of the hottest bands in Detroit.
> However, we need $$ to really make it.  Interested
> in making an investment ($100-$5000)?  We'll take
> whatever you can give.  We have good credentials and a good
> following.  Thanks, peace, and please help us!!!
> 
>            Derek Thomas, TRIGGER HAPPY


So, what exactly are you offering, other than to "take whatever you can
give"?  What's my return or share?  How much money have you made to date?
What's your profit/loss?  Are you full time or part time?  What are your 
bookings?  



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From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)
Subject: Re: "Market efficiency"
Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:21:15 GMT

In article <BzE43t.D4t@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry  
Watanabe) writes:

> The efficient market hypothesis may be true to a large extent,
> but why these phenomena?
>
> [examples of irrational behavior of markets]

It seems to me that our (okay, _my_) understanding of markets is all  
messed up.  Take for example the expression "under valued".  It implies  
that a commodity has some inherent or correct value and that the market  
is mistaken about it.  Is either thing possible?

How does value attach to things?  Is it in the order of the universe  
that one thing should be worth so much of another or is it just in the  
eye of the evaluator?

If value is purely subjective it is ridiculous to speak of anyone being  
wrong about it.  One might be wrong about another's evaluation of  
course and maybe that's what we mean when we say "under valued"--not  
that the market is wrong about about a value but that it's wrong about  
itself.

I'm getting dizzy.  I doubt that anyone really knows what a market is  
and since I sure don't I prefer to think of them as simply what people  
do.  And what people do is opaque and idiosyncratic and generally  
beyond comprehension, this post itself being a fine example.
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From: suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre)
Subject: Re: "Market efficiency" (Was Re: Rationality of the stock market (NOT!))
Organization: TRW, INC.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:09:19 GMT

In article <1glo96INNaip@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>The concept of efficient market broadly means : "all available
>information is reflected in the price".  This means that unless you
>hold special information which the market does not yet know, you can't
>make money in "responding to news".  

The recent fiasco in IBM gives me a chance to toot the technical
analysis horn (lightly).  When I went to Stan Weinstein's seminar
several years ago, he got very loud and very red in the face as he
said, "If you don't learn anything else today, never ever ever ever
agerage down."  A friend of mine bought IBM at 100, averaged down at
90, and again at 63.  He needs 78 to break even.  If he had cut his
loses at 90 he'd be way ahead of where he is now.  If he had waited for
IBM to "build a base", as the technicians say, he wouldn't have bought
at any of those points.  IBM is a behemoth and the company can't be
turned on a dime.  While it may recover somehow, I certainly wouldn't
expect to see it gap up 10-20 points some morning.  In short, the stock
probably won't run away from you.  I say "probably" because there is a
broker around here who thinks that IBM will be a better value when it
is broken up into individual companies, sort of like the Baby Bells of
yesteryear.  Wait and see.

While it may be hard to prove, it certainly seems that Wall Street
overreacts to news thereby flying in the face of the efficient market
theory.  Stocks go up too far, or down too far.  I remember when the
Equity Funding Scandal broke.  *All* the insurance stocks went down,
even those that had no connection with or exposure to Equity Funding.
-- 
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suhre@trwrb.dsd.trw.com
From: elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: What is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!!
Summary: what is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!
Keywords: What is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:34:52 GMT
Organization: UB

Microsoft took about $6.00 dip in the last two days,  any body knows why ?!


elkordy
From: jb6k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joel Bloch)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: snapple IPO
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:53:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Qf=_rZS00iUx425qwR
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Both Barrons and the Wall Street Journal have articles warning about the
Snapple IPO. The gist is that it will go up, but will it stay up very
long.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: graue@andy.bgsu.edu (Louis Graue)
Subject: DCharting Software
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:49:40 GMT

I am looking at an add for TeleChart 2000 in Barons.  It sells for $29 and
offers low cost database by phone.  I wondered if any one on the net has
had any experience with this and would let me know if it is worthwhile.

Xref: sparky misc.invest:15011 alt.activism:19634
From: wbg@mtek.com (W. Brewster Gillett)
Newsgroups: misc.invest,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Snapple - Does it really go public Tuesday?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:53:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: mtek.1992Dec16.175304.28629
Reply-To: brew@mtek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.

cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) writes:

>Does anyone have firm information about the supposed connection between
>Snapple and anti-choice groups?  Rumours have been circulating for months,
>-- Christophe

>"I draw the line at Styrofoam packing kernels, you sick pervert."

Apropos of your sig:

		" Kinky is when you use a feather.
		  Perverted is when you use the whole chicken. "



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From: vince@digibd.com (Vince Mar)
Subject: MAS investment (FCC license)
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:56:06 GMT

Anyone out in the net knows anything about MAS (multiple address systems)?
Recently I was approached by an agent who tried to convince me to invest to
it.  What they do is use $8,900 the people invests to apply FCC license
(I forgot which frequency).  If FCC awards a license to him, then they will
handle the sales (government, telecommunication firms, etc).  He will get
70% of the sales and they will keep 30%.

Any info will be appreciated.  Please direct response thru E-Mail.


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From: yhari@uncc.edu (Yog Hari)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Fidelity Ultra Service
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:58:40 GMT
Reply-To: yhari@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article 10739@romulus.rutgers.edu, clong@romulus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>I'm considering starting a Fidelity Ultra Service account; any good
>or bad experiences with this?  Looks good from what I've seen.
>-- 
what is this account ?  
What are the services associated with it?

Thanks.

Yog.
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Buying New Stocks On The Day They Go Public
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:23:20 GMT

tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s) writes:

>In article <Bz9EHo.IF9@encore.com> uhegde@walrus.encore.com (Uday Hegde) writes:
>>What is the best source for determining the companies that are going
>>public? I dont recall seeing any ads on new issues in Boston
>>Globe/local newspaper's business section.

The newspaper "Business Investor's Daily" (is the name right?)
had an article today (Dec 14 1992) on initial public offerings.
Apparently it is helpful to have a broker with one of the
firms that is underwriting the offering; it is generally hard
to get ahold of shares otherwise.

You also have to keep on good terms with your broker. 
Immediately turning around and selling the IPO at the
end of the day would be a sure way to ensure that your broker
never gives you another "hot" IPO again (although he may
be quite willing to pass on all of the dogs).

The article also clarifies the problem with making 
money by buying new stocks on the day they go public.
The initial public offering may be at $15, but the 
first trade of the day may be at say $28. The stock
may rise to $30 by the end of the day. So, you 
couldn't make $15 by buying the stock on the market
that day; you could only make $2.


-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: "franz hrazdira" <franz.hrazdira@canrem.com>
Subject: futures & options
Reply-To: "franz hrazdira" <franz.hrazdira@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: misc
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:48:09 EST

Hi,

Do we have any futures traders around here who would like to comment
on the use of options in place of stops when trading futures.

I would be interested in comments from people who have traded futures
& futures options for quite some time and have some understanding of
hedging strategies to limit the trading risk in various markets ...

Thanks,

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From: koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!!
Keywords: What is wrong with MicroSoft ?!!
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:52:38 GMT

In article <Bz5q64.658@acsu.buffalo.edu> elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy) writes:
>Microsoft took about $6.00 dip in the last two days,  any body knows why ?!

(info below kyped from today's Chicago Tribune, possible UPI...)

A Washington, DC newsletter FTC:WATCH reported that FTC staff lawyers are
requesting a preliminary injunction to bar certain pricing practices by
Microsoft.  The request apparently seeks to halt MS's practice of allowing
large PC makers to pay it discounted royalties on every computer sold, 
even on machines that don't come with MS-DOS, allegedly giving the company an
unfair edge.  

The article goes on about how MS controls the PC OS market, and how that leads
to an advantage when writing system apps, etc. 
(Undocumented Win3.1 calls?  What undocumented Win3.1 calls?)
Serves them right. (no flames please)

-- 
Louis Koziarz
koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: Re: Where can I get cost-of-living data?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:39:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1992Dec16.032554.27273@cs.wisc.edu>, roth@feline.cs.wisc.edu (Bill Roth) writes:
> I would like to know where I can data on the relative cost of living
> differences in major cities around the country. I would like to know,
> with some degree of accuracy, either statistical or scientifical,
> what the cost-of-living differences between Madison, WI and Austin, TX
> are.
> 
> Does anyone know where I can get this kind of data?

If you want/need info on the Consumer Price Index (from which all such cost-
of-living calcs are made), that would be from the US Department of Labor, 
Bureau of Labor Statistics, Washington DC 20212.  They have a series of 
monthly publications, including the CPI; they may well have what you need.

Also consider companies that offer relocation services to corporate clients; 
they keep this kind of stuff on file.  Darned if I can remember any names at
the moment.  However, some of the larger real estate firms like Century 21,
RE/MAX, Better Homes & Gardens, etc also have strong relo divisions. 

Then there's the US Chamber of Commerce (1615 H Street NW, Wash DC 20062; 
202-659-6000); they may have info on hand.

Magazines like MONEY and Forbes also publish articles on this topic.  Check 
your library's "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature."

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  ...Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the company...
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From: hcb@netcom.com (H. C. Bowman)
Subject: Demand for portable, intelligent devices makes who rich?
Keywords: 3 volt technology, NiMH
Organization: Box of Rain Productions
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:53:33 GMT


Oh great Net.Mind:

If one believed that the demand for products based upon 3 volt embedded
controllers (and probably powered by NiMH battery packs) was going to
be exceptionally strong in the next several years, what are some likely
stock picks that he should be looking at today?

Many thanks!

--Cliff

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: IBM Turnaround?
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:41:19 GMT

In article <1gqmamINN6p6@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
writes:
>Personally I think the mainframe in it's IBM incarnation is a dying
>area of business, but think of this: a well-packaged IBM mainframe
>running AIX (which is now available on all IBM computers ranging from
>PS/2 to the mainframes) would be a decent competitor to the high-end
>Sun or HP Unix server.

I cant believe anyone likes AIX running on a PS/2! What a load!

>
>IBM showed very good abilities in it's RS/6000 launch and in battering
>Microsoft technically with OS/2 (well, beating Microsoft technically
>is hardly difficult to do).  But still, those are signs of life.

The RS6000 once you get over the need for IBMs/w and sorts might be OK. OS/2 is
a loser.

>
>There is no possibility of returning to the market share of the early
>70s, but thats not the same as "going under".
>
>        -ans.
>-- 
>Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@rcf.usc.edu
>



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