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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:15:54 -0800
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Just to reply to some e-mail from Dr. Vincent Vaugn <pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> here:
In article <1ep4j2INN291@phakt.usc.edu> Robert Jung wrote:
>>  As I mentioned before, the Serpentor JOE movie was not the original movie
>>idea that was created. The original JOE movie concept had the Cobras out to
>>kill a political science professor at a major university, because he had
>>devised a philosophical rationale refuting the existence of Cobra. The Joes
>>are then out to save this man, who they dub "the most dangerous man in the
>>world" because of all the Cobra effort spent hunting him down. All this got
>>sold down the tubes when Serpentor came into the picture -- the writer (Buzz
>>Dixon?) went "Whaddayamean there's a new Cobra leader?" and had to crank out
>>an entirely new story. Too bad, too, since "The Most Dangerous Man In the
>>World" sounds MUCH more interesting than the Cobra-La garbage.
>
>Just out of curiosity, do you have any more details concerning the 
>plot of this apparently "better idea" for a GI Joe movie? Where did
>you get this info?

  That's pretty much all I could dredge up from my feeble memory. The full
details came from an issue of COMICS INTERVIEW! magazine, which did a feature
on the animated and comic book G.I. JOE titles. I don't recall the issue
number, and lost my copy, but die-hard Joe fans may want to see about ordering
the back issue in question and get the full scoop. Some nice storyboard scenes
from the scrapped JOE movie were also included.

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:35:52 -0500 
From: "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ewoks/Droids (Was:In BMTAS)
	<BxtuFK.AsH@max.physics.sunysb.edu>

Janet Penney writes:

>(and just to make it relevant to the group, does anyone remember the star wars
>series of cartoons, the ewoks and c-3po/r2d2 ?)

Hey, yeah!  Although the animation was pretty mediocre stuff, I liked
these cartoons a lot.  The Droids part of the series was especially
well-done, being vaguely serialized with Artoo Deeto and See-Threepio
being rotated from master to master every five episodes or so.  I can
even remember parts of the theme song:  "Drop me safely/ In the danger
zone..."  I was disappointed that they cancelled this after only a
single season.

Kevin.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: Belle's Character (was Re: Sanitizing Fantasia)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:41:53 GMT

avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:

>Andy G Ihnatko (andyi@world.std.com) wrote:
>>Yeah, as a fellow reader of folklore I thought it was pretty funny how all
>>those local TV entertainment reporters (and not a few national ones) were
>>commending Disney left and right for "PC"ing Belle and making her a strong
>>female character, considering all the plot points they singled out for praise
>>came straight from the classic version of the story.

>I didn't see anything about Belle that indicated she was such a "strong"
>character.  Every situation she found herself in was the result of some
>_other_ character's actions.  For example, she winds up a prisoner
>after her father bungles his way into the old castle, and in order
>to manufacture a pretext for changing her attitude toward the Beast, the
>writers had her running though the forest and attacked by wolves.  (GOSH!
>Ain't that the most original story idea anyone ever had--NOT!)  A strong
>character creates situations, while a weak character only reacts to them,
>and Belle clearly was not a very "strong" character.

>Belle's character reflects a very rigid, conservative view of women.
>She is, at best, a very _un_-"PC" character (though certainly not the
>worst example in that film, e.g., "The Bimbettes").


Sorry, no.  First, unlike most Disney heroines up to that point, she makes it
abundantly clear that she wants nothing to do with marriage, is interested in
developing her mind.  Second, when her dad is captured, she goes out to find
him and when she does, even though she's been told to get out of there as fast
as possible, she sacrifices herself to save him.  Is attracted by a guy's
intellect, not by his appearance or (like Little Mermaid) what the guy can give
her.  Stands up to angry mob, later enters a known battle zone.

At every turn, Belle (like Beauty in the original tale) makes her decisions
based on her own instincts and conclusions rather than on what's expected or
demanded of her.  Hell, the reprise of "Belle" proves this beyond a shadow of a
doubt...


-- Andy Ihnatko
   andyi@world.std.com
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)

MO>Yup. Remember, the money you pay for your ticket goes _straight_
MO>like a bullet into the movie company's coffers. The theater gets
MO>nothing out of it. All the profit has to come from the concession
MO>counter.

Since when? It was 50-50 last I looked. (Which is why films have to
gross twice their cost to break even.) No theatre I have ever been
in/worked for could support the whole house nut from concessions alone.

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From: ted@airplane.sharebase.com (Ted Marshall)
Subject: Re: BTAS: How DID Batman get that coin???
Reply-To: ted@airplane.sharebase.com (Ted Marshall)
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:52:23 GMT

In article <Bxn9oD.A1w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell) writes:
>Batman lunged at Two-Face before being tied down. That was when he
>palmed the coin.
>
>I noticed something was strange when when Batman only made a weak
>attempt to attack Two-Face. Then when the coin appeared, it all made
>sense.

I agree that this how it was supposed to happen. However, watching the
tape carefully, I cannot see how it could actually happen:

(1) Two-face put the coin in a LOWER outside jacket pocket. Batman
grabs the upper part of Two-face's coat. His hands never get near
the pocket in question.

(2) Two-face flips the coin in his RIGHT hand and puts it in his
RIGHT pocket. Batman would have to get it with his LEFT hand since
the two were facing each other. However, Batman is later shown
using the coin in the RIGHT hand to cut the rope.

So all told, Batman had to grab the coin in his left hand even though
it got nowhere near the pocket. He then, while being knocked on the
head and manhandled by the goons, he had to transfer the coin to his
right hand and hold on to it while being tied to the big coin. and no,
his hands never cross over such that he could have picked the left
pocket with his left hand.

This actually makes as much sense as the large coin flying several
hundred feet through the air, Batman launching himself lightly from
the coin, and landing back on the fork-lift to kick Two-face. Sorry.

Actually, despite all of this and the other flaws, I still loved this
episode.

-- 
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The opinions expressed above are those of the poster and not his employer.
From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Date: 21 Nov 1992 14:19:58 -0800
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
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In article <kennehra.722379553@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:
>Hi.  Does anyone remember the name of the episode where Cobra commander
>made a special guest appearance on "The Transformers?"

  Yup. Holy inside jokes, Batman.  B-)

  The episode in question was "Only Human", and was one of the third (fourth?)
season episodes. Released after the TRANSFORMERS movie, y'know. Also one of the
few episodes in that season with good animation -- the quality dropped like
mad after the movie, I think Marvel switched to Akom(?) for much of the work
there...

  And remember, he wasn't _really_ Cobra Commander. At least, not directly
called as such. Just call him "Snake"...

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:16:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.011030.6539@sol.UVic.CA>, aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey) writes:
> Is this group just for people who watch animations, or are there people
> here who are doing their own animations? I'm asking because I recently
> got into filming my own stuff, and want to talk to people about 
> techniques, etc... Anybody out there? Maybe I've got the wrong group
> here.... If so, sorry for the wasted bandwidth.   8-)

No, this is the right newsgroup.  It's just that, as with any art, there
are a lot more watchers than doers.
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:59:25 GMT

In article <pfritsch.722561742@skid.ps.uci.edu>, pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle) writes:
> I'd have to say either "The Brady Kids" or "My Favorite Martians". You
> just can't turn a regular show into a cartoon and get away with
> completely changing the basis of the show. Besides.. the music has got
> to go!

No flames please. I have a couple tapes of the Filmation Star Trek cartoons.
These are just BAAAAAAD. The stories are real keen, but the music and animation
are just s***tty. Add this one to the list please.

> --
> 
> Paul Fritschle                                         pfritsch@skid.PS.UCI.EDU
>                  Have you hugged YOUR shoggoth today?
-- 

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vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted, Captian Nida", Darth Vader
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: cheats in animation
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:31:16 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

MWD>>>Tom and Jerry?  Filmation?
MWD>>As a matter of fact, in its waning days, Filmation put out the
MWD>>next-to-last known incarnation (there is currently one under the
MWD>>auspices of Turner Broadcasting) of the characters.
MWD>This is *driving* *me* *crazy*!!!! I can't find a reference to this show
MWD>anywhere!  All I can find are Hanna-Barbera and MGM Tom & Jerry's.  Please
MWD>someone tell me the actual name of this thing before I explode! (my stupid
MWD>books don't cross-reference anything!)

     There was a Saturday morning Filmation Tom & Jerry show called -
     naturally enough - the "Tom & Jerry Comedy Show."  Unlike the
     Hanna-Barbera TV T&J show of the 70s, the Filmation show did try to
     imitate the style of Tex Avery and Hanna-Barbera (the T&J theatrical
     cartoons), and there were a few interesting gags in there.
     Unfortunately, the abysmal Filmation animation ruined each and every
     episode, through their practice of continually re-using the same
     pieces of animation over and over and over....and over and over...
     and over and over and over again.  As a result, the T&J chase scenes
     were the exact same chase scene - same movements and all - in
     every cartoon, the pitfalls were the same, the gimmicks used (such
     as chasing each other in toy planes) were the same...and so on and
     so on.

     Our locak Fox affiliate in Boston shows the syndicated "Tom & Jerry
     And Friends" cartoon show every day, and this show includes ALL of
     T&J's incarnations.  Viewers of this show are as likely to see a
     classic Hanna-Barbera theatrical short, a Gene Deitch T&J, a
     Chuck Jones T&J, a Hanna-Barvera TV T&J - or a Filmation T&J.

     If you want to see the Filmation T&J (you fool you!), see if you
     can find this show on TV.
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: BTAS: Heart of Steel
Originator: wmorgan@nemesis.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:50:49 GMT


Why did Barbara Gordon walk over the sofa instead of going around it
in the first installment on Monday, November 16?  Is there any reason
for it?

Also, we have seen Bruce Wayne escape from elevator cars twice, both
times appearing as Batman when he gets out.  Therefore, he carries his
costume with him.  Is it possible the reason Wayne wears the same
brown suit is that it is actually the Batclothes inside out? :-)


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From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Sanitizing Fantasia (was: Latest rumors)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:45:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: scic.1992Nov15.204534.11994
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <1e6957INNkga@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
>The person who had to dance to death in red hot shoes was Snow White's
>stepmother, the evil queen, in the Grimm's version.
>This is from my memory of the story as
>told in my Grimm Bros. collection.  Anyone who can add/improve this info
>is more than welcome and actively invited to do so.:-)

That's how I remeber it too.  In the version of Cinderella I read, the 
"wicked stepsisters" merely had to suffer with having their toe or heel
hacked off to fit into the glass slipper (the blood tipped the prince off).
The worst of Saturday morning kid-vids seem tame in comparison to the Grimm
Brothers :-).
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Herbie the Robot (WAS: Re: Saturday morning)
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:24:24 GMT

In article <carlinra-111192101120@129.59.101.13> carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin) writes:
>In article <gf01D7q00VpaRR3KZq@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Kevin J. Chen"
><kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim Webb writes:
>> 
>> >   What about the Fantastic Four? There's a terrific show.
>> 
>> Depends which one you're referring to.  There was an old one which
>> actually featured all of the members of the Fantastic Four, as well as
>> one which substituted Herbie the Robot for the Human Torch (why they
>> did this, I'll never know).  My roommate last year actually managed to
>> acquire a tape of the older series, and we watched them all.  They
>> were pretty bad.  Wish I could see 'em again.  ("Look at my viewscreen
>> on yonder wall, Mr. Fantastic...")
>
>Actually, Johnny Storm (a.k.a. the Human Torch) was replaced by 
>Herbie because of the fear that [young] kids [with no brainpower
>whatsoever],
>in trying to be like their hero, would immolate themselves and try to 
>perform superheroic feats.  To be perfectly honest, I couldn't see someone 
>doing that, but then again, there are those old tales of kids leaping off
>of
>the roofs of their houses doing a Superman impression...
>
>Rob
>
>Rob Carlin                      |  "Nothing's so cold
>carlinra@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu  |   As closing the heart when all we need
>carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu |   Is to free the soul
>                                |   But we wouldn't be that brave, I know."
>                                |     - "All I Want," by Toad the Wet
>Sprocket

I have always heard that Marvel was pitching a "Human Torch" show around
the networks about the same time, and so replaced the Torch with Herbie 
The Robot. The show was scrapped due to the cost of the effects involved
in making the Torch falme on, and fly.
Probably would've sucked too.

					--Judex--

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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:06:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.170716.12763@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

> I got a laugh out of Brenda's (sp?) car license plate: "RUR".  Extra points
> to whoever can post the source for THAT in-joke... :-)

I haven't seen this episode, but I figure it's about robots, so "RUR" would
be the title of Karl Capek's play of the same name (which contains the first
known use of the word "robot").

	-dp-
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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: .. Chicken-Hawk (Bugs Bunny ???)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.054735.16691@netcom.com> foo@netcom.com (Mark Hall) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.211231.9352@bcrka451.bnr.ca> isupstud@bnr.ca writes:
>)
>)Quick question: Does any one know the name of the chicken hawk that is
>)constantly trying to capture Foghorn Leghorn?
>)
>)"I'm a chicken hawk...  and you're a chicken!"
>
>   Henery Hawk
>
>   With Foghorn, he appeared in 
>
>   Walky Talky Hawky (1946)
>   Crowing Pains     (1947)
>   The Foghorn Leghorn (1948)
>   Hen House Henery  (1949)
>   The Leghorn Blows at Midnight (1950)
>   Leghorn Swoggled  (1951)
>   All Fowled Up     (1955)
>   Strangled Eggs    (1961)

And without Foghorn, he appeared in:
    The Squawkin' Hawk     (1942) 
    You Were Never Duckier (1948) (with Daffy Duck)

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

- I'm just a loud-mouth schnook!
From: btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS:  HEART OF STEEL, pt. 2
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:35:44 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Nov18.143239.22831@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>     Oh, I forgot to mention it yesterday, but on TTA they make a snide
comment
>about BTAS.  The floppy Bassett hound had escaped from Elmyra and was living 
>with, what for lack of better idea or judgement I will call "this babe."

etc...

Hm, and what is with the Tiny Toon Comic Books that I've seen a couple of times
on BTAS?  Are these just references or jokes because the comics are being read
by "dumb" characters?  Oh, and there was Looney Toons w/Bugs on today's Joker's
Wild episode...  Well, of the two shows, I like BTAS better, if anyone cares (I
know you don't). Anyway, it's not like they're the same type of show... I just
like that there seem to be a kizillion episodes of BTAS...

Bobby Tribble  |8')
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: BTAS:  HEART OF STEEL, pt. 2
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:32:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132940.3212@cs.rochester.edu> steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gav
in Steyn) writes:
>
>Stupid question (along the lines of "How come storm troopers are such lousy
>shots that they can't hit Luke Skywalker? :-) )...
>
>How come every time Batman fights one robot (Bullock, or the women), he
>gets pretty much whupped, but when he fights 4 at one time, he beats
>them without too much trouble :-) ?

1: The robots are Sentinels. }->
2: Batman's 'multifoe' combat style works better against bots than his 
one-on-one style, since they don't expect to be attacked by each other (which 
is what he maneuvers them into doing).
3: He didn't know Bullock was a robot and was already tired when he faced the 
woman one-on-one.  These factors would hinder his ability to fight effectively.
He was fresh and facing known bots other times.

     Oh, I forgot to mention it yesterday, but on TTA they make a snide comment
about BTAS.  The floppy Bassett hound had escaped from Elmyra and was living 
with, what for lack of better idea or judgement I will call "this babe."  This 
babe is walking the dog and they encounter Elmyra.  The dog hides behind the 
babe's legs while she asks Elmyra what's wrong.  Elmyra responds that she lost 
ehr doggy-woggy.  The babe pulls out the dog and asks if that was her dog.  The
dog quickly puts on a Batman mask as a disguise, and Elmyra says, "No, my dog 
was better drawn."  A bit of rivalry, no?
     Dave Van Domelen, selling lots on Bruce Wayne's chin
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:22:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <3671.1008.uupcb@satalink.com>, ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) writes:
> 
> Some theatres, mostly those showing old movies, do run shorts, usually
> from some collection. There is no longer a dependable source for shorts
> so first-run chains couldn't get them even if they did want to run them.

Actually, the local 6-matchboxes second-run multiplex does run
shorts before their features.  Warner Brothers stuff, natch.  :-)
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