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From: jason@coombs.anu.edu.au (jason..)
Subject: kre - what's it stand for ..
Summary: whats kre stand for ? :-)
Keywords: kre,aus,trivia
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  7 Sep 92 03:58:44 GMT


I (and a few other people) have often wondered what kre expands to
as it doesnt seem to be 'Robert Elz' .. so what is it ?

1) King Robert Elz ? :-)
2) Kernigan, Ritchie, Elz ?
3) ??

-jason
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From: rpp@rilin.ci.COM.AU (Richard Perini)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
Subject: Re: WA down fri 16:xx
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:15:05 GMT
Organization: Corinthian Engineering,  Sydney,  Australia.

In article <1992Sep14.133607.164528@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>
>I've seen several references to Bmux's playing up.  Is this the only/worst
>one, or are they a bad breed ? 
>

They're a bad breed.  

We have 8 ISDN links to various points around the country, and B-Mux
problems account for around 90% of our ISDN problems.  

Things are supposed to be improving Real Soon Now according to Telecom.

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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
From: gih900@cruskit.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Subject: Re: WA down fri 16:xx
Reply-To: G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:27:26 GMT

> the link from the national hub to western australia seems to be down.
> further news as it comes to hand.
|> 						- douglas ray
|> 						doug@unimelb.edu.au
|> 						networks & comms

Telecom restored the link at around 7:30 Friday evening - yet
another instance of the (now notorious) B-MUX at the Prahan
exchange acting up. Telecom ISDN support engineers have indicated
that they will monitor these facilitie4s over the next few days

Geoff Huston
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: Downtime: Vic2 hub, Fri eve
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 05:09:33 GMT


Regarding:	vic2.gw.au
Downtime:	22:00-23:00	Friday 11-9-92

Sites affected:
		BHP research (Melbourne)
		ACCI
		Bureau of Meteorology
		UniSuper (COCAM)
		Aeronautical Research Laboratories (Melbourne)
		dabooks
		Telecom Research Laboratories (Clayton, Melbourne)
		Leading Edge
		*** places connected through these sites

The VIC2 hub (AARNet affiliate members) will be down during Friday
evening while some X.21 appliques are installed.

(If there is an urgent reason to have this done at some other time then
let me know)
						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms
						phone	 344-4262
						messages 344-4488

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: kre - what's it stand for ..
Keywords: kre,aus,trivia
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:31:23 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter) writes:

>jason@coombs.anu.edu.au (jason..) writes:

>3) Knows and Responds to Everything.

Knows yes :-)

Responds to Everything... hmm...

(thinks: aus.* reorg)

can kre become krei? Knows and Responds to Everything *important* ? :)


>Guy.

-richard


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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter)
Subject: Re: kre - what's it stand for ..
Keywords: kre,aus,trivia
Organization: CSIRO Tropical Forest Research Centre
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 00:46:52 GMT

jason@coombs.anu.edu.au (jason..) writes:

>I (and a few other people) have often wondered what kre expands to
>as it doesnt seem to be 'Robert Elz' .. so what is it ?

>1) King Robert Elz ? :-)
>2) Kernigan, Ritchie, Elz ?
>3) ??

As per an ancient post:

3) Knows and Responds to Everything.

Guy.

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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:05:51 GMT

In <8376@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> M.Williams@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

| In other words, the IETF may well be very nice people, who have our best
| interests at heart when they don't conflict with their best interests, and
| it is most certainly in our best interests to track closely what they are
| doing, but we certainly shouldn't be giving them any more control over our
| destiny than they already have. 

I think this is all backwards, I'd much rather have the IETF (which is
all technical people) making decisions than AUSTEL (which is all
bureaucrats).  That is, I'd much rather have the decisions made on
technical grounds than political ones.

| 	My personal intuition is that we are going to have to have two
| separate NSAP spaces anyway, because while the IETF solution may well use
| an an ISO 8348 addressing format, the layer 3 protocol will be
| incompatible with End-System implementations of CLNP.

I wish I could decipher what that means.

| (4) Any non-internet site, when they see an NSAP with the IETF AFI, will
| simply pass the packets to the nearest Internet router to them.

There is nothing surprising here - though I think you need to
be careful on what you define as "internet" here - basically
the internet is everything connected so that packets can be sent
directly from one point to another.  At the minute that means
IP packets - but if IPv7 becomes CLNP, it will mean CLNP packets.
ie: anywhere you can send CLNP packets will be part of the internet.

| This may
| well not be what we want to happen. I for one do not want to see
| Australian academic networking beholden to the US for transport of its
| packets forever. 

We're not now - unless we want to send packets to the US, in which
case its kind of obvious we have to rely on them.  At the minute we
also route to other countries via the US, but that's more a matter of
cost effectiveness than anything else, things could be arranged differently
if we were willing to pay the costs.  One of the costs is much increased IP
routing complexity, but that's a problem of current IP and the way routing
is administred and is one of the things that needs to be fixed in IPv7.


I should say that when Mark first made his suggestion I was confused,
and I think others were, about just what he was asking for, I gather
now that its just an address format decision, so he can do CLNP
locally, and not have to worry about changing addresses later when/if
it becomes relevant to be shipping CLNP around AARNet.

I kind of think that anything decided now may turn out to be premature
long term, I'm not sure we really know what the best way will be yet.
Like anything else, if you jump in first (by choice or because there's
no option) you run the risk that what you're doing may be wasted.
On the other hand you have the advantage that it may not be, and if
not you'll have a big head start.

kre
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Subject: WA down fri 16:xx
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>    
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:13:10 GMT

the link from the national hub to western australia seems to be down.

further news as it comes to hand.
						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms
From: dean@pico.OZ (Dean Economou)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: FASTPAC and AARNET
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:19:27 GMT
Organization: QPSX Communications LTD, Perth, Western Australia.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hello everyone,
I have heard that aarnet's projected growth is such that they (you?) are
looking at ways of increasing its capacity.  One possibility is to use
FASTPAC, but I believe the proposed tariffs make this appear
unattractive.

The purpose of my message here is to present the technical
possibilities, and at least try and understand what the perceived
problems with using the FASTPAC service are.  I would also like to have
the chance to explain what the underlying QPSX technology supporting
FASTPAC can do, since FASTPAC uses only a restricted set of its full
functionality (for example, QPSX gear is cell based and already
supports integrated synchronous and packet switched service).  It is
also conceivable that QPSX gear could be provided to aarnet as a private
network.

I was told that this is the appropriate forum for discussing these kinds
of issues.  Hope that's the case.

Cheers,
Dean Economou.


PS: I am not a spokesman for AOTC, and any of my posting should be
read with that understanding.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.comms
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:33:16 GMT

In <miw.715832889@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

| >It would be nice to have just one "net number" per cable, rather
| >than several.

| Actually, I think this is one area where IP got it royally
| screwed up.

I don't, but we'll get nowhere this way - the model is quite simple,
quite clean, and very easy to understand.  Managing it is not always
easy - but when IP was designed hosts on networks were never imagined
to be at the numbers they are now .. even then, a reasonable
management protocol (so lots of hosts could easily be renumbered
quickly if cables are moved, etc) would solve that problem.

IP certainly isn't the only protocol that assumes that a cable
has a network number, and just one...  (Appletalk II's multiple
net numbers is really just reverse subnetting).

| why? People might find it easy to remember a swag of numbers that are
| virtually the same, but I thought computers could cope with differences
| better than that.

Computers can cope with the differences - but eventually enough
differences gets to create enough data that has to be maintained,
bandwidth is strained, memory is strained, ... deliberately setting
out to cause this (rather than having it happen due to unavoidable
circumstances) doesn't seem an intelligent way to go to me.

| What worries me more is that the IETF will go for something non-CLNP,
| but use an ISO 8348/AD  address. Then we'll be really in strife
| if we use their addresses, because any OSI hosts will have to have
| live in a different address space.

Huh?  Addresses are just bit patterns, if the protocols are different
it doesn't matter in the slightest what the addresses are, similar or
not, between the protocols.

I think what you want here is something different at a lower level
to distinguish between CLNP and some supposed new internet protocol,
just the same as IPv4 and CLNP can be distinguished today.

kre
From: sydney@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:57 EST
Subject: InterNet to MCI Mail
Nf-ID: #N:peg:246600048:000:1366
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!sydney    Sep 10 01:57:00 1992




Greetings

I have seen reference previously to InterNet and MCI Mail etc.

The following info received from the MCI Mail support office may help.

Regards
Michael Ney
sydney@peg.apc.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Addressing to MCI Mail from the Internet:
-----------------------------------------
The Internet user can easily send a message to an MCI Mail subscriber.
The recipient's name is entered followed by @MCIMail.com.  All address
information is entered on one line.

There are three ways an MCI Mail subscriber may be addressed from the
Internet.  Either by their

1. Unique 7 digit MCI ID followed by @MCIMail.com

2. MCI Mail Username followed by @MCIMail.com

3. Formal name as registered on MCI Mail followed by @MCIMail.com


For example, this mailbox could be addressed the following ways:

To: 437-9872@MCIMail.com     ( which is the MCI ID)
To: MCIAUST@MCIMail.com      (which is the username for this mailbox)
to: MCI_Australia@MCIMail.com  (which is the formal name)

Please note that underscore is required.  Blank spaces are not allowed.

To guarantee delivery, the MCI ID is the most reliable addressing format.
It should be used when the Username or Formal Name are common.


Hope this information helps.

Best Regards,
Julie Langford-Brown
MCI International (Australia)
Tel: 02-983-9788 or 008-804-323


Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: andreww@win3 (Andrew Watts)
Subject: NNTP Servers.
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:01:10 GMT

Hi all,

Could someone possibly post a list, or mail me a list, of nntp servers
that "anyone" can connect to? i.e. ones which anyone can read from/write to.
Like newshost.anu.edu.au, preferably only the Australian ones.

Thanks.
Andrew.
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: FASTPAC and AARNET
Date: 16 Sep 92 16:09:55 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1002@pico.OZ>, dean@pico.OZ (Dean Economou) writes:

> I would also like to have
> the chance to explain what the underlying QPSX technology supporting
> FASTPAC can do, since FASTPAC uses only a restricted set of its full
> functionality (for example, QPSX gear is cell based and already
> supports integrated synchronous and packet switched service).  It is
> also conceivable that QPSX gear could be provided to aarnet as a private
> network.

I think this is very relevant.  When the public X.25 Austpac service was
introduced, a lot of people stayed away from it, and built private X.25 
networks using dedicated circuits.   I have been wondering if a similar 
situation might develop in the fast packet arena.

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Head, Networks Group                        Phone : +61 8 259 5292
Corporate Information Systems               FAX   : +61 8 259 5537
DEFENCE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ORGANISATION Postal: Bld 73 Labs Area
AUSTRALIA                                           PO Box 1500 Salisbury 
            "Lord Warden of the Sync Ports"         South Australia  5108
                (DSTO Network Manager)              AUSTRALIA
From: mrp@jarrah.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,ua.general
Subject: Accessing Adelaide Uni's X.500 Directory via finger
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:47:24 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: jarrah.itd.adelaide.edu.au

It is now possible to access our X.500 Directory via finger.

If you finger "user@adelaide.edu.au", where "user" can be a surname,
given-name.surname or possibly a username, it will lookup "user" in
our directory.

We are still adding information to the directory but there should be
some useful info in there :-).

Mark.

PS Only staff are listed in the directory.
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From: djk@bby.com.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Proposal: OSI Addressing on AARnet
Summary: Questions about state-based routing.
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:23:10 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young Ltd., Melbourne, Australia

mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Prior) writes:

] It is proposed to further divide this number into a number of "state"
] based divisions, which would then be divided further into routing
] domains and areas for distribution to organisations within a state.

Can I assume that the "state" in question here is just the nearest
AARNet hub router that you connect to?  This would mean that all of
Pyramid Technology Australia's (to pick an example of an organisation
with an internal inter-state network) OSI numbers would have state=vic.

What if PTA subsequently desire to move their IP connection point
from Melbourne to Sydney?  Would this mean changing all their OSI
numbers (whatever the ISO term is), even in Perth and Brisbane?

Is this potential problem worth worrying about, or is it going to be
so rare as to be not worth bothering about in practice?  Should the
handful (currently) of national organisations who ask for them be
given state="national", rather than a particular state?

And what about the possibility of network "carriers" other than AARNet?
For a large organisation, this could be a significant factor in deciding
whether to switch to another carrier (assuming optimistic forecasts of
OSI's prevalence in that organisation :-).

One of the few nice things (which is probably unintentional) about the
internet network numbers is that they are independent of carrier and
geographical information.  It makes life horrible for routers, but easy
for the person setting up the network (you don't have to figure out
who you are going to connect to and where before you start numbering).

Should we just accept that whatever numbers we choose may have to be
changed somewhere down the track?  (Unless one has a good crystal ball!)

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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.comms
From: c9117709@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE WORLD IS ONLY ROUND COS TRIANGLES WOULDN'T FIT)
Subject: Newcastle V St.George.
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:01:12 GMT

Ok I'm here to mourn the dead.

On the weekend the mighty Newcastle Knights went down to St.George in a game
that I would describe as a defensive deadlock.

Sitting at the ground with 12,000 other Novacastrians, watching the home side
lose was not the most thrilling of experiences.  On the day I think the
smarter side won not the better.  Newcastle made the most of a few defensive
runs that they had but managed to stuff the easy chances and gave away a few
stupid penalties.  I enjoyed the game not the result.  I ask only one question. 
Why didn't they take a field goal at some stage?  It was obvious that there
wasn't going to be a try scored because the defense of both sides was almost
faultless.

I know that I'm likely to get flamed for this, but once again I put part of
Newcastles loss down to Graeme Anusly who showed once again that he shouldn't
be reffing first grade.  At no stage was he consistent and at no stage did he
keep either side on side.  The most farcical thing of the day was when he asked
the St.George half to refeed the scrum cos he didn't feed it straight. Equally
if it had been St.George on the other side of a win, they would have been hard
done by. 

That's all I've to say on the matter.  I'm looking to next season now and the
hope that byu this time next year it will be the Knights waiting to see who's
going to play them ikn the GFinal.

Comments more than welcome 

Pete. Bowman  aka "Mr Newcastle"
From: brendan@cs.uq.oz.au (Brendan Mahony)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Tips (Was Re: How we can improve NSWRL Reffing)
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:53:18 GMT
Reply-To: brendan@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <9224715.10722@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> molly@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Mark Ollila) writes:

>Nah, Wests will do it by 10.

:-). :-) :-)

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When wild geese in flight take the form of a letter V, you say instinct.
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Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Subject: Re: WCE EAGLES "ARE" INVINCIBLE...
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date:  7 Sep 92 23:41:29 GMT

blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:

>well that shows just how blind all eastern stater's are... and my
>predictions have held.... unlike the victorians...

>again... may i say and geelong vs. wce grand final... sucked in!

>wce premiers 1992!!!

Just like to say that a Queenslander agreed with you on West Coast beating
Hawthorn and they may even beat Geelong in the next round but I don't think
they'll win the premiership. See my other post for further comments.

Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: 11445246@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (THOMAS HAYWOOD)
Subject: Re: WCE EAGLES - INVINCIBLE 1992
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:12:53 GMT

>WELL, I AM VERY SORRY TO SAY THAT THE EAGLES ARE GOING TO "WALK ALL
>OVER" HAWTHORN THIS WEEKEND AT SUBIACO OVAL... SAD BUT TRUE
I'm a Hwathorn supporter who thought you were talking shit, but I guess you 
were right after all.
I think will take the flag.
They should anyway when they have the whole of W.A to choose from
Hawks will win in '93'
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*                Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, AUS  *
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Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: int947r@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (richard bodinnar)
Subject: Re: When hell freezes over...
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:07:47 GMT

Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Subject: Re: Newcastle V St.George.
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:12:22 GMT

c9117709@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (THE WORLD IS ONLY ROUND COS TRIANGLES WOULDN'T FIT) writes:

>I know that I'm likely to get flamed for this, but once again I put part of
>Newcastles loss down to Graeme Anusly who showed once again that he shouldn't
>be reffing first grade.  At no stage was he consistent and at no stage did he
>keep either side on side.
 
 Yes, amazing as it may seem, as against form as it was, St.George stopped
 Newcastle from scoring a try. The only possible explanation I can think of
 (besides the hopeless refereeing of Anusly (oops Annesley)) is that three
 grand final like matches in a row were too much for them. A team of
 over-rated also rans like St.George would otherwise have been hopelessly
 flogged (as they will be on Saturday). Of all the results from both codes
 this result went totally against common sense and showed that anything can
 happen in football. Just for the record Illawarra by 16. And then Brisbane
 by about 10 in the Grand Final from Illawarra.
Newsgroups: aus.sport