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From: knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight)
Subject: Re: Trailer (YECH!) foundations
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: misc.rural
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:31:59 GMT

In article <5wdnzb#@lynx.unm.edu> pkrause@triton.unm.edu (Paul Krause CIRT) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.142534.6812@infonode.ingr.com> knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight) writes:
>>In article <JWOODARD.92Aug27091320@zeste.nmsu.edu> jwoodard@nmsu.edu (Jeff Woodard) writes:
>>>money (and time). Anyway, I'd like to know if anybody has any
>>>experience in setting trailers permanently. The bank will only offer
>>>	
>>Well the ones I've seen around here have used concrete blocks on a
>>footer and then used stucco or brick over the block for looks.  This
>>would seem to be a low cost solution and would make it easy to move
>>again.  You could also paint the block for a really low cost foundation.
>
>Making it easy to move again is what the bank is trying to protect itself
>against with the permanent foundation.  I would think local mobil home
>dealers, or the bank lending officers whould know what they require.
>
>Paul

Gee Paul, I'm truely sorry they were ever built with wheels, but since
a large percentage of homes have a block foundation, this should
prove to be acceptable.  I suppose it could also be buried:-).

Frank

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Chickens, chickens, and more chickens
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:40:10 GMT

In <1640@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:


>Well, I don't think that'll be a problem with the parcel *we're* looking
>to build on... it's 52 acres sandwiched between two farms 8-)  The country
>air don't bother us a bit, so the aroma from our methane generator should
>blend right in 8-) 8-) 8-)

well you'd be suprized how fast an area can become 'suburbia' if the city
folk think it's 'quaint'. they can only be slowed by zoning laws to restrict
population density. no i am not at all against people moving out of the city.
in fact the death of the city (as we know it today) would not bother me.
i do believe that small farms help to prevent deadly genetic singularity.
if i lose 25 acres of corn i've only lost 25 acres. but if i've lost 25,000
acres of corn a small country starves. thats one of my biggest complaints
about corporate farms (no matter what the crop, corn, beans, trees, whatever)
they tend to plant monoculture and are very suseptible to genetic tragity.

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: cf603@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Sill)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Rural Sources: Miscellaneous (part 4 of 6)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 14:33:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf603@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Sill)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Guard Dogs
    The people who know the most about guard dogs in the U.S. are Ray
    and Lorna Coppinger, New England Farm Center, Hampshire College,
    Amherst, MA 01002, phone (413) 253-7065.
    
    The other major source of Guard Dog info is the USDA Sheep
    Experiment Station, Dubois, Idaho 83423. Both places have
    inexpensive and/or free bulletins about guard dogs.
    
    The only feature I've done on guard dogs was for the Spring 1988
    Edition of Small Farmer's Journal. Copies of the article are
    available from SFJ, PO Box 2805, Eugene, OR 97402, for $1,
    (includes postage and handling). Specify "The Ultimate Predator
    Control", by Linda Fink, p. 29, Spring, Vol. 12, No. 2.
    
County Agents    
    The Agent has lots of federal and state publications, and knows a
    heck of a lot about agriculture in the local area.

    A very good resource is the County Cooperative Extension Office.
    They have a lot of good information on growing crops, raising beef
    cattle, etc.

    This office was set up to service rural areas and the 4H program
    is usually under their supervision, but they offer all kinds of
    various and interesting workshops, pamphlets on insect and weed
    control, cultivation tips, etc.
    
The Feed Store

Local Soil and Water Conservation Office
    A great place to get really nice CHEAP seedling trees, info on all
    aspects of your areas soil and water.  I contacted them for
    information on No-till farming since a visiting Chinese economics
    professor expressed an interest.  So now the literature is on it's
    way to CHINA!!
-- 
Dave Sill
Play: cf603@cleveland.freenet.edu
Work: de5@ornl.gov
From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: cut the crap
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:14:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Tennessee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu
Keywords: weedeaters, chainsaws and tractors oh my

lawrence london writes:

> In another of Bill's excellent messages he describes...
> You've expressed my thoughts 100%...

not a flame, but what does this have to do with "cut the crap"?
no one has mentioned bill's name (we love you bill) in this context 

it has been suggested (and i for one agree) that a coupla tired old 
threads about 2-cycle engines and the la-la land lifestyle (gag) be 
moved to more appropriate groups -- IMHO, the original postings that 
started these threads were, to be polite, exceedingly naive and not
worth much bandwidth in the first place -- no wonder for killfile
entries such as 
   /Ban Gas Weedeaters/:j

a closely related issue is this: subject lines are only useful when 
they are accurate -- if you change the direction of a thread, please
remember to modify the subject line (lest it be killed)

btw, we've just finished canning our late peaches, have taken most of
our grapes to the farmer's market, and are beginning to harvest our 
apples in earnest -- tell me again exactly when all that rural peace
and tranquility is supposed to happen :)

--
mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
department of computer science, university of tennessee
From: AllanWS@cup.portal.com (Allan BA Schlaugat)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: well's - pumps/pressure tanks
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 18:50:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Along the same thread, my pump, in the wintertime when the temperature 
is below freezing, will run every 5-10 minutes while it is not in use
all day and night long! 
I do notice that the pressure drops below 25 psi during these cold periods
compared to 40 psi during the warmer summer days. My tank is @45 gal located
in the basement (semi-heated; always above 45 degrees though).
Is there any solution to this irritating problem during the winter
other than shutting the pump off during the evenings when we are not
using water?
Thanks!
Al Schlaugat / AllanWS@cup.portal.com or Al_Schlaugat@bearsden.com  //
Albertville  \ Amateur Radio: N9ISN  Packet: N9ISN@W9NNS.#CFL.WI.NA//
  Wisconsin  / I had a real bad day today; I had to re-rivit my \\//
pop. 76!     \ pizza cutter!                  Only Amiga!!       \/
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From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Subject: Re: Bill's Many Messages
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:33:12 GMT

In article <25260035@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth) writes:
>> ... I sure could have used sound guidance in farm, garden and house design.
>You tease.  Tell us what you learnt.  Please...

Well, to begin with, and in brief for now, two biggies:

Over time I learned how to turn more than a 12X24' garden, i.e.
around 4 acres of land into productive organic soil, suitable
for grain, hay, fruit or vegetable growing _without_ constant
input from immense mechanical juggernauts.  

Through trial and error (fortunately not too many of them)
and fine tuning design and construction methods, I managed get a 
really sturdy, attractive, energy efficient/multipurpose house built
(still working on it). Changes in design and construction materialized as
the house got built, the West end is less sophisticated than the East,
necessitating some retrofitting here and there in the near future.
The house is built on 6X12 PT posts with 4-2X10 PT boards inset in notches
in them for sleeper beams to support the floor joist system. The 6X12's
are embedded in 3 1/2' of concrete, allowing for considerable horizontal
stability without crossbracing. This method of underpinning a house is very
inexpensive, is easy to build and allows free movement of air to dissipate any
radon gas that may become present. The 2X10 floor joists can receive 9" of
insulation and a plywood cover to provide enough R for this climate.
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: cf603@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Sill)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Rural Sources: Organizations (part 5 of 6)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 14:34:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf603@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Sill)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


American Dairy Goat Assocation (ADGA)
    POB 865 (or 862?)
    Spindale, NC 28160

    A registry.

Early Day Gas Engine & Tractor Association.
    Jack Versteeg, President
    3510 Brooklake Rd. NE
    Brooks, OR 93654
 
    There are currently 34 branches of this organization so there is
    most likely one near you.  They all have shows and are a great
    source of information about farming and things mechanical.  Most
    shows have demonstrations of rural life in days gone by.

Natural Organic Farmer's Association (NOFA)
    RFD#2
    Barre, MA 01005

    Northeastern states chapters, establishing standards for organic
    farm certification, buying guides, &c. 

Organic Growers of Michigan
    Ann Arbor Chapter
    Gwen Gunther
    (313) 426-3066
-- 
Dave Sill
Play: cf603@cleveland.freenet.edu
Work: de5@ornl.gov
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From: bgunzy@iastate.edu (Robert A Gunzenhauser)
Subject: Re: Real Farms
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:11:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.071356.23931@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>Cowboy (mpleis@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: We need a discution about real farms here. I mean a farm you make your living
>: from, not just a little plot in the country.  Can everybody post what kind of
>: operaton they have and the size and something about it.  Maybe we can get
>: a threat that is "rural" related other the how to make bread or dig a well.
>: 
>: Our farm this year is as follows:
>: 2500 acres crops
>: 90 head dairy soon to be 300+ (Reg. Jerseys)
>: 4 families live and work the farm
>: N.E. Iowa location
>: We are all computerized.
>: Plus we write software for farms, sell software and hardware, and design new
>: special equipment for farms and dairys.
>
>Hmmm....let's see.  2500 acres?  Nope.  300 Head?  Nope.  N.E. Iowa?  Not
>a chance, the shipping costs to get my farm there would be excessive.
>Computerized?  Uh, nope.  
>

Well, we have 640 acres, of which 300 or so is tillable, about 100 head of
beef cattle, and 32 feeder pigs.  Nothing really large, but it gets us by.

>BTW, I've been to Ames, Iowa.  Ames Iowa is a friend of mine.  And sir, there
>are NO cowboys in Ames Iowa.

Yes there are cowboys in Ames; they all belong to the Rodeo Club.  Most of
them are from South Central Iowa, tho.  More REAL cattle down there, instead
of wimpy Jerseys, right Mark?  :)

>: -- 
>: mpleis@iastate.edu     Mark L. Pleis 
>: Agricultural Systems Technology, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
>
>Please take this pseudo-flame no more seriously than I do.
>--
>
>Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
>hinzd@picard.med.ge.com

Bob Gunzenhauser
Ag Systems Technology
Iowa State University
bgunzy@iastate.edu
	

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From: ddabay@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Dave Dabay)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: dealing with "meat" bees
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:57:03 GMT
Organization: Radford University

In article <1992Sep1.075104.4500@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>Tom Perigrin (tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: Hi,  I'm a beekeeper.
>: 
>(loads of fascinating stuff deleted)
>
>: I'll be happy to discuss anything about beekeeping.
>
>
>I've got an old oak log in my pasture that I was hoping to burn this winter.
>It's about 3' in diameter, by 8' long.  Lotsa wood.   Problem is, the bees
>(don't know for sure, but they look like honeybees) have taken up residence in
>the hollow part in the middle.  I'd hate to kill off the hive, but I'd hate
>to have the log rot.  Would you advise leaving it until spring, and having
>a local bee-keeper take them out?  I assume that you wouldn't reccomend doing
>it at this time of year, especially in sunny Wisconsin.
>


As a beekeeper also, I wish I were there....
If you take the hive now, you would need to leave them with enough
honey to winter over.  Chances are that the log would not rot until 
spring time tho, so I wouldn't worry with that one...

First you need to verify that they are in fact honey-bees
A local beekeeeper would more than likely be able to help you.

If they are not honeybees, then have them exterminated....

thanks

dave


-- 
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Radford University Computer Services	Internet: ddabay@ruacad.ac.runet.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy)
Subject: Re: 4H vs. FFA (was Re: misc.rual.misc)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:26:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.123551.9711@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.020439.12624@news.iastate.edu>, mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy) writes:
>>In article <bill.715567658@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes:
>>>... do you support the 4h kids when they are trying to buy milk cows to raise?
>>>are your kids in 4h? ffa? 
>>
>>I hate 4H I am a State FFA officr this year (V.P.)
>
>Why do you hate 4H?  Why do you think FFA is superior?  What do you think, Bill? 
>Anyone else?

Well this is the what's going on in my home area with it .  The 4H people are
pissed at the FFA people because they say that the 4H kids should not have to
show against FFA students.  Why? Because the 4H kids usaualy have to show what
their parents buy them, and the FFA students can purchase "show cattle" since
general their programs are much bigger. And the final reson is that 4H stresses
more urban life than rural life.

>
>I'd like to hear more about both organizations since I'm only slightly aware of
>what they're about.  I have a 10 year-old boy who might be interested in joining
>one or both of these groups.

Well the FFA is a leadership organization for High School students.  It is the
largest youth oganization in the world.  If would like more info on FFA
contact your local High Scholl Agrictural Education Depatment.



-- 
mpleis@iastate.edu     Mark L. Pleis 
Agricultural Systems Technology, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: rhorlick@mtholyoke.edu (Rick Horlick)
Subject: Bill Clinton on the Highway
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:24:00 GMT


Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: shf@ais.org (Steve Fox)
Subject: Re: well's - pumps/pressure tanks
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:08:06 GMT

marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka) writes:


>We are buying some property that comes with a deep well. I am
>having the water tested for bacteria. But haven't a clue as
>to how to what else I should look for. Or how to maintain a well.

Well, here in Michigan, the Department of Public Health will, for the paltry
sum of $8.00, analyze your water along 7 different parameters; Nitrates,
Chloride, Fluoride, Hardness, Iron, Sulfate, and Sodium.  Way nifty
information for those of us concerned with stinky water, health hazards,
plumbing corrosion and/or scaling, etc.  I would expect your state health
dept. offers a similar service, and I do recommend you do it.  We had
thought that we had a high iron content due to stinky water syndrome, but
the test results show it to be excessive hardness.



_____________________________________________________________________________
.signature, what's that?
From: coleve@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Trailer (YECH!) foundationsREAD/NEW/FOLLOWUP
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Distribution: misc.rural
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:47:51 GMT

Mobile homes are designed to be supported by the frame, in two strips down the
length of the home, not from the edges like stick-built or manufactured homes.
I don't think a block wall aroung the edges would be a very good idea, nor
would a slab be useful.  I would build a series of concrete pads which support
short piers used to level and support the building when the axles are removed.
After all is leveled, then build a block outside wall to replace normal
temporary skirting.  The home could be built lower by doing this in a
appropriate pit.   Most important -- do what the bank and the local
building/zoneing busybodies say to do.
--
-- Vern Cole -- Systems Manager -- Utah Valley Community College --
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From: bt768@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Orville L. Ballard)
Subject: Re: well's - pumps/pressure tanks
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:21:38 GMT


Your pump motor is controlled by a pressure switch. If the 
pump runs or starts frequently when you are not using the 
system then you should check for leaks in your system or
your pressure tank could be full of water rather than water
with an air pocket to provide pressure. If this is the case
turn your pump off, drain all water from the tank, close all 
valves ond restart the pump. As the tank fills with water
air in the tank will be compressed until the pressure at 
which your switch is set is reached. At this pressure the 
pump will shut off.
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: 4H vs. FFA (was Re: misc.rual.misc)
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:35:51 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN

In article <1992Sep4.020439.12624@news.iastate.edu>, mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy) writes:
>In article <bill.715567658@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes:
>>... do you support the 4h kids when they are trying to buy milk cows to raise?
>>are your kids in 4h? ffa? 
>
>I hate 4H I am a State FFA officr this year (V.P.)

Why do you hate 4H?  Why do you think FFA is superior?  What do you think, Bill? 
Anyone else?

I'd like to hear more about both organizations since I'm only slightly aware of
what they're about.  I have a 10 year-old boy who might be interested in joining
one or both of these groups.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Keeping ants away
Keywords: ants
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:12:06 GMT

In <4852@rosie.NeXT.COM> afitz@next.com (Alex Fitz) writes:

>Does anyone know of an effective, environmentally safe way to keep ants  
>from coming in your house?  (I posted this on ca.environment, but rec'd no  
>responses.)

well we've use boric acid and sugar (keep this away from pets, children, etc)
the ants carry it back to the nest, eat the boric acid and dehydrate (i think?)
memory is fuzzy as to the precise how they die. if possible remove only the
ones which are causing you harm. ants do a good job of keeping things clean:-)
now if i could just get them to learn how to vaccum :-)

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: waltervj@coos.dartmouth.edu (Walter V. Jeffries)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:02:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


: Is there any less confrontational method of making it work?

Maybe you're trying to work for the wrong people.  Maybe even you
should just work for yourself...  Actually I am totally serious.
Get out on your own, be your own boss, develope your own products,
marketing them, sell them, support them.  It's a lot of work but
it is a hell of a lot more satisfying than being on someone else's
payroll*.  And, you can do it anywhere you want!

There are a lot of good support sources for doing it yourself.
Magazines for almost any niche trade, on-line services (CompuServe's
Working at Home Forum is great for this), etc.

-Walter

*Well, actually I have no idea what it is like to work for someone
else since I have always been on my own.  But I can imagine it... :)
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Real Farms
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 07:13:56 GMT

Cowboy (mpleis@iastate.edu) wrote:
: We need a discution about real farms here. I mean a farm you make your living
: from, not just a little plot in the country.  Can everybody post what kind of
: operaton they have and the size and something about it.  Maybe we can get
: a threat that is "rural" related other the how to make bread or dig a well.
: 
: Our farm this year is as follows:
: 2500 acres crops
: 90 head dairy soon to be 300+ (Reg. Jerseys)
: 4 families live and work the farm
: N.E. Iowa location
: We are all computerized.
: Plus we write software for farms, sell software and hardware, and design new
: special equipment for farms and dairys.

Hmmm....let's see.  2500 acres?  Nope.  300 Head?  Nope.  N.E. Iowa?  Not
a chance, the shipping costs to get my farm there would be excessive.
Computerized?  Uh, nope.  

BTW, I've been to Ames, Iowa.  Ames Iowa is a friend of mine.  And sir, there
are NO cowboys in Ames Iowa.

: -- 
: mpleis@iastate.edu     Mark L. Pleis 
: Agricultural Systems Technology, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

Please take this pseudo-flame no more seriously than I do.
--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
From: "lois laulicht" <lois.laulicht@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: earning a living in t
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:59:28 EST
Reply-To: "lois laulicht" <lois.laulicht@channel1.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Channel 1 Communications


>Those of you who have done it, how do you DO it????
BL>telephone, computer, modem, software, children, spouse.
BL>local merchants, barter, go without (what go without something! oh my god 8-O)
BL>invent, manufacture, weld, fix not toss, buy used, repair, reuse, recycle,
BL>prudent purchasing.
BL>chickens, fish, deer, cows, pigs, garden ~1 acre, fruit trees (just started
BL>about 3 years ago).

We're retired so it's not a fair comparison.  However, about 10 years
ago we started planting Blueberries and next year will have sufficient
surplus to advertise..."pick your own".

-lois
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