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From: pamiri@uci.edu (Peter Amiri)
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension Info Requested
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Organization: Dimensional Software
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:38:12 GMT

In article <HUBBARD.92Aug31173527@tsc.cs.unc.edu>, hubbard@tsc.cs.unc.edu (Robert Hubbard) writes:
> 
> 
> We've had similar speed problems here at UNC-Chapel Hill Computer
> Science Dept.  In fact just switching from single-user to multi-user
> modes in 4D seems to slow the performance down by a factor of 5.

In single user mode 4D does data catching but when you switch to multi-user
mode all catching is turned off and every thing has to be written back to 
disk. If you are on a network this can slow you done even further. The 4D 
server which should be very close to shipping now, should address this issue
completely.  4D server will do data catching on the server so all request for
data are handled in the most efficient way.  Whats even more, if you have a
output layout displaying a selection of records 4D server will only send
across the fields on the output layout and not the entire records. This aloan
will speed up things considerably.

During both of the demos I've seen the server was on a PowerBook 170 using
localtalk being accessed from another PB 170, IIci, and Quadra 700 and the
speeds were impressive.

Peter Amiri
University of California, Irvine
From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Experience with 4D devleoper (EES Companies)
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:53:01 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
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We are having extreme difficulties getting a developer of our order
entry software (POS) to fix a reocurring problem in the database.
The software is written in 4D.....

Has anyone else worked with EES Companies (owned by Hank Szretter)?

Thanks,

Jeff

--
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Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: DATABASE for the Mac...How powerful can they get?
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:27:53 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.144054.27359@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Hades,
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:
>>above Hypercard is probably your best bet, unless you want to do the
>>thing in MPW or Think C.

>You could also look into something like Serius Programmer with the 
>Database Object Library.

    I suppose I should have mentoned this possibility, especially since
I'm a registered owner/developer with Serius Developer. But up until
yesterday I adn't received their Database engine, and I didn't want to
talk about something that I knew nothing about. Now that I have it, I
must say that it looks very nice. And there are also a lot of hints in
the documentation about other object sets that are scheduled to be
released this Fall that will make Serius programs even more flexible. I
recommend that anyone interested at least take a look at the Demo.

    You can reach Serius at: 1-800-876-6847

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
	    "Egads! These look like a women's fingerprints"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
From: youngb@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: FoxBASE+/Mac, Imagewriters, and System 7...
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:10:12 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

In article <l9i3snINN6ak@news.bbn.com>, hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> I have heard rumors that FoxBASE+/Mac is incapable of printing to an  
> Imagewriter when running System 7.  Is this true?  Is there a workaround?  I've  
> got version 2.01, which is the latest as far as I understand.  Must I force my  
> users to live with System 6 when using my programs, or is there an alternative?
> 
> --
> schmotsignature.
> Paul Hagstrom
> (hagstrop@carleton.edu)
I have found this to be true when I print to an AppleTalk Imagewriter.  What it
does for me is print page one ad infintum until I abort.
B.T.W.  This is when printing to a AppleTalk ImageWriter II, Not an LQ.

Bruce Young
b.young@ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: DATABASE for the Mac...How powerful can they get?
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:09:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.144054.27359@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Hades,
hades@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:
>above Hypercard is probably your best bet, unless you want to do the
>thing in MPW or Think C.

You could also look into something like Serius Programmer with the 
Database Object Library.

Glenn Stauffer
Swarthmore College
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension Info Requested
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:57:54 GMT

In article <2AA3F0D4.22355@orion.oac.uci.edu> Peter Amiri, pamiri@uci.edu
writes:
>During both of the demos I've seen the server was on a PowerBook 170
using
>localtalk being accessed from another PB 170, IIci, and Quadra 700 and
the
>speeds were impressive.
>


Does the server function in a client/server mode?  I've been poking 
around with MSI Access (minor pokes to date), but the promise of a 
client/server database system seems to address many of the 4D performance 
problems.  I have been working on the design of a 5 - 10 user system and 
am concerned that using 4D multi-user might not offer sufficient 
performance.  The question now is whether to develop it as an MSI app or 
to go with the 4D server.  Of course I just got my hands on Serius with 
the database object library...
From: ue33+@andrew.cmu.edu (University Entrepreneurs Association)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: DATABASE for the Mac...How powerful can they get?
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:52:24 GMT
	<26AUG199217453863@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have a Database application that I don't think should be that hard,
but I have almost no idea how to do it.

Is this possible on a Mac Database? Which one?

I want to list the to-do lists of projects in a very similar way to the
system 7 finder.  At the "root directory" I want to list major projects,
then be able to display them exactly how imbedded folders in the finder
are displayed--just click on the project to see it's sub-projects.  Just
like the finder, I would like to display several levels of imbedded
folders, see the sub-projects of many different projects on the screen
at once, be able to move the contents of one project to another project,
and sort either all the projects by date, or individual sub-projects.

If possible, but not necessary, I would like to be able to display only
one sub-project on the screen with it's respective sub-projects and
dates.  Also, like Hypercard, it would be nice to click on "to-dos" and
go the respective application, i.e. Excel.

I really don't know if this is an application better suited for
HyperCard, a Spreadsheet, a Project Management Package (MS or Claris'
Project), a more sophisticated DataBase package (FoxBase?, but I
currently have FileMaker Pro 1.0), or the REALLY inelegant solution of
actually just using a folder in the Finder (And generating a HUGE
desktop file).

Thanks in advance for your replies.

D.Eric Bland
ue33
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Filemaker Pro file sizes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

WHITESR@APPSTATE.EDU (Steve White) writes:

>I am a registered Filemaker II user considering Claris' $89
>upgrade offer to Filemaker Pro II. Some years ago when I used
>Filemaker II some, it seemed that its document files were
>extraordinarily large compared with Panorama. Since my HD
>space is at a premium, it would be helpful to know if Claris
>has done anything about this with Filemaker Pro I or II?

    Just to clear up a small nit, it's FileMaker Pro 1.0 and FileMaker
Pro 2.0, Claris has dropped the whole II thing and moved up to the Pro
designation with seemingly normal version numbers.
    As for FM Pro's file size, they can get quite large, especially if
you have a lot of Text fields. FM Pro blocks out all 32000 characters of
space for every text field in each new record. Fortunately you can get
around this by using FM Pro's Save as Compressed Copy feature. It works
quite well and will generally clear up 10-50% depending on how many
changes have been made to your database file since the last Compressed
Save was done. I use this about once a month on our large FM Pro files.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
	    "Egads! These look like a women's fingerprints"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: t36269v@saha.hut.fi (Sami Hero)
Subject: 4D Server
Summary: SPEEEEEEDDDDDDDD
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:34:52 GMT

Hello all,

Just saw the new 4D v3.0 and server and spoke to people at ACI and as far
as I am considered I haven't been so impressed for ages. 

4D server and 4D Workstation should ship in US 15th september and in Europe
2-4 weeks later (according to ACI). 4D server has been definitely re-built
for Multiuser since it minimizes the network traffic, does huge amount of
processing in the server and is in all aspects incredible faster than old v2.0

As far as the rumor goes 4D server should be reasonable cheap also..?!?

Anyhow if you have possibility to contact ACI and visit the DevCon in Paris
the 10th of September or the MacExpo in Paris starting 16th of September you
can see some amazing stuff.

Best,

Sami Hero.

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*** 		Sami Hero - managing director of HeroCom      		  ***
*** 	"Effective use of the best Database system - 4th Dimension will   ***
***	put us into leading position in Finland's Consulting business"    ***
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: 4D Server
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:13:48 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

t36269v@saha.hut.fi (Sami Hero) writes:

>Just saw the new 4D v3.0 and server and spoke to people at ACI and as far
>as I am considered I haven't been so impressed for ages. 

    Yeah, I liked the demo they had at MacWorld, espcially since we got
to see them crash the thing on 2 separate days ;->.

>4D server and 4D Workstation should ship in US 15th september and in
>Europe 2-4 weeks later (according to ACI). 4D server has been definitely
>re-built for Multiuser since it minimizes the network traffic, does huge
>amount of processing in the server and is in all aspects incredible
>faster than old v2.0

    It does this by using Apple's ADSP protocol to send compressed
packets to and from the Server and Workstation programs. The program
will then decompress the packet and use the information. What this means
is that the Server actually flies over Local Talk and there is no need
for an AppleShare Server.

>As far as the rumor goes 4D server should be reasonable cheap also..?!?

    I'm not so sure about this. The new Server is going to be released
as is for any number of Workstation clients (50 is the recommended max),
so I would expect to shell out at least $2000-$3000 for such an
implimentation. But from what I have seen, it is well worth it,
especially if you already use 4D in an multi-user environment of more
than 4 users.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
	    "Egads! These look like a women's fingerprints"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
From: dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Tsai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Databases Info
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:46:29 GMT
Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi again,
    If anyone has information about other Mac Databases, could you
please send it to me.  We are currently trying to decide which database
to use to keep track of all our computer equipment, peripherals, serial
#s, warranty info, network info, etc..

Thanks,


---
David Tsai
Carnegie Mellon University
dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu
(412) 268-4732
From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: DH and the rest of the world...
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:43:22 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
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In article <9209021919.AA28877@coos.dartmouth.edu> Hades,
hades@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:
>using DAL as your means of communication. This requires the purchace of
>the DAL Server for whatever machine is running the Oracle database

For more versatility, you may want to investigate SQL*Net from Oracle.  I
was at an Apple/Oracle
presentation a few weeks ago and SQL*Net was touted over DAL. 
Apparently, Oracle isn't
too pleased with the DAL solution.  I'll dig out my notes and post later
about things I
learned at the presentation - including mention of a Quadra-based Oracle
server.

Glenn Stauffer
Swarthmore College
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: DH and the rest of the world...
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer) writes:

>In article <9209021919.AA28877@coos.dartmouth.edu> Hades,
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:
>>using DAL as your means of communication. This requires the purchace of
>>the DAL Server for whatever machine is running the Oracle database

>For more versatility, you may want to investigate SQL*Net from Oracle.
>I was at an Apple/Oracle presentation a few weeks ago and SQL*Net was
>touted over DAL.  Apparently, Oracle isn't too pleased with the DAL
>solution.  I'll dig out my notes and post later about things I learned
>at the presentation - including mention of a Quadra-based Oracle server.

    This doesn't surprise me too much. From what I have heard about
Oracle, their version of SQL is pretty radical from the standard, which
is what DAL is based on. I don't fully know what this means, because I
don't really know SQL, but it seems similar to all the different
versions of BASIC that have existed over the years.


--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
	    "Egads! These look like a women's fingerprints"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.databases:1041 comp.sys.mac.hypercard:3288
From: shawn@cars.com (Shawn Connelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases,comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: reading Filemaker Pro / 4D files with Hyper Card
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:44:29 EDT
Organization: Connelly Automation Research and Services
Reply-To: shawn@cars.com
Distribution: comp
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <KOTARO.92Aug26191620@galle.ee.sophia.ac.jp> (comp.sys.mac.databases), kotaro@galle.ee.sophia.ac.jp (Kato Kotaro) writes:
> 
> I am thinking of reading Filemaker Pro files with Hyper Card.
> Is it possible? If it is possible, how do I do it? 
> 
> Or if there is a way to read 4D files with Hyper Card,
> that will be fine, too.
> 
> The thing is that I want to teach English to Japanese children 
> using the Mac. I am thinking of making a database full of 
> questions and answers. The children use Hyper Card to look at
> the question and answer it. Then I correct their answers. 
> 
> I wonder if it was right to post this to comp.sys.mac.databases.
> Was it better to post to comp.sys.mac.hypercard.
> 
> Thankyou for your attention.
> 
> 			Kotaro Kato


We use MSI Access from Metropolis Software, Inc to access 4D
databases.  It a complete suite of externals that will access information
from 4D. You can contact MSI through the following channels:

AppleLink:	METROPOLIS
CIS:			769074,2724
AOL:			METROSW1
Fax:			415-327-5579
Snail:
	505 Hamilton Ave, Suite 305
	Palo Alto, CA 94301

If I can provide any other information, please feel free to contact
me.

Good Luck!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: t36269v@saha.hut.fi (Sami Hero)
Subject: Re: 4th Dimenision Information
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:26:17 GMT

4th Dimension version 3.0 and 4D server are upward compatible with 4D v2.0.
There are some commands that have vanished like Sort File and a lot has been
added especially the ones handling processes. After 10th September a lot of
information should be available.

Best,

Sami.

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*** 		Sami Hero - managing director of HeroCom      		  ***
*** 	"Effective use of the best Database system - 4th Dimension will   ***
***	put us into leading position in Finland's Consulting business"    ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: pejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby)
Subject: Re: Good 4D external ftp site
Organization: 3M Company
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:34:51 GMT

In article <01050023.cf4a0e@sable.cars.com> shawn@cars.com writes:
>Can someone steer me to a good ftp site for 4D externals? We have a
>projects that use 4D in conjunction with Oracle and HyperCard, and
>would like to see what's out there to help us out.

One of the main FTP sites for 4D stuff is "ftp.scri.fsu.edu".  There are
a lot of externals and demo packages there, some a bit dated, but most
that still work just fine.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: leslie@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Leslie Farnell)
Subject: Re: Omnis error
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:10:35 GMT

SJD9@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>A friend of mine is fairly new to Omnis and is having a problem.
>Using Omnis 7, he is having a client enter records into a database
>that he has set up. Thing go fine, until several hundred records
>are entered, then an error, "Attempted to read beyond end of file."
>comes up, the Mac bombs, and the data file is damaged.

>Any ideas on why this is happening?
>Is there anything to avoid in entering records that might overflow
>  a storage area or something?

We just had a similar problem with the program apparently unable to 
recognise the end of file. In this case things work fine on our
development machine, but our enduser is a "cutting edge of technology"
man with excessive amounts of RAM, System 7, and other things we don't
use for development. I'm afraid this doesn't help, but then we have no
leads either.

>Blyth  tech support has been no help so far.

What I've come to expect - admittedly in Australia the distibutors are
a more direct problem than Blyth, which is somewhat remote from us.

>Steve

Les
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: Shariar Jahromi <shariar_jahromi@mentorg.com>
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension Info Requested
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In article <BtJDus.CEv@news.larc.nasa.gov> William J. Bene,
wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov writes:
>Thanks in advance.
From: SJD9@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Omnis error
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:25:57 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

A friend of mine is fairly new to Omnis and is having a problem.
Using Omnis 7, he is having a client enter records into a database
that he has set up. Thing go fine, until several hundred records
are entered, then an error, "Attempted to read beyond end of file."
comes up, the Mac bombs, and the data file is damaged.

Any ideas on why this is happening?
Is there anything to avoid in entering records that might overflow
  a storage area or something?

Blyth  tech support has been no help so far.

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC)
Subject: Re: DH and the rest of the world...
Organization: Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:09:12 GMT

In article <1BZPBYYH@cc.swarthmore.edu> stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer) writes:
>In article <9209021919.AA28877@coos.dartmouth.edu> Hades,
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:
>>using DAL as your means of communication. This requires the purchace of
>>the DAL Server for whatever machine is running the Oracle database
>
>For more versatility, you may want to investigate SQL*Net from Oracle.  I
>was at an Apple/Oracle
>presentation a few weeks ago and SQL*Net was touted over DAL. 
>Apparently, Oracle isn't
>too pleased with the DAL solution.  I'll dig out my notes and post later
>about things I
>learned at the presentation - including mention of a Quadra-based Oracle
>server.
>
>Glenn Stauffer
>Swarthmore College

I wouldn't expect Oracle to hype DAL over one of its own products, would you?!? The
downside of using SQL*Net is that all your front-end applications are hardwired into
Oracle, which is of course exactly what Oracle wants.  Having used DAL extensively on
several projects, I would be the first to say that it isn't a dream.  However you
are almost wholly independent of the back-end, be it Oracle, Sybase, Ingres, etc.

If you go into building your front-end applications with something like DAL, you gain
the ability to scale these applications well: start them off with a server on an A/UX
box, move it to a VAX, and on and on.

On the other hand, if you are an Oracle shop and have support contracts, etc, and are
not planning a migration or diversification soon, probably SQL*Net is the way to go
simply from the point of simplicity of support.

-John Jamison
 Swarthmore College class of '88
 Disclaimer:  these opinions are mine all mine!
-- 
-----------------
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From: jrusby@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jim T. Rusby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Business Filevision?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:38:23 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services


Does anyone know if the publisher of Business Filevision is still in
business or if the program is still supported elsewhere? We have an
application purchased with it a few years ago and I want to expand it.

The publisher is Marvelin corporation, but someone took our docs and I
have no address etc.

Thanks-
Please send answers to:
jrusby@darkwing.uoregon.edu
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