HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:20:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep10.162018.3512
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <95687@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>>I'm firmly in the Anthony Berno camp--don't tell me
>>that it's a hoax or that he was raped and killed.  I want to imagine
>>that my Neanderthal, in totally revealing leather, walked bowlegged
>>across the Alpine tundra.  Sigh.
>I hate to pop your bear balloon, Steve, but if Otzi lived and froze
>5,500 years ago, he was a "homo sapiens sapiens", not a "homo sapiens
>neanderthalis".

Hey, I'm not picky.  So he's a bit young!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Cops and 60 Minutes
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:42:31 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Did anyone else see the "60 Minutes" piece last night on gay cops?

>During the course of the conversation with a group of SF gay cops, one
>of the officers commented that they were just as good as the straight
>folks, and lived pretty normal lives--they were just gay, and they were
>cops.  Mike Wallace said, "But we've all seen the gay pride parades with
>the prancing and mincing around, people acting out roles and such".  The
>response was "But they're only a tiny minority of our community.  They
>don't represent the mainstream.  WE ARE the mainstream."

Recently my husband and I took our nephew to the new NJ aquarium in 
Camden.  Several panels demonstrate camouflage, one with a sign saying
something like, "Can you spot all 20 species in this tank?"  I dutifully
sought them out, each reflecting the bright colors of rocks and other 
surroundings.  Then a chunk of a darker piece of rock bagan to move.  I
looked closely and saw bumps over it, with two tiny pairs of eyes.  At about
the same moment, a large woman I had not noticed behind me had also spotted
this same glob of ugly "rock" and said for the dozens around to hear, 
"That's the ugliest god damned fish I have ever seen!"

The entire aquarium seemed stunned by her candor.  The "rock" even stopped
its guarded, slight wiggle.  I turned, brushed my mascara every so elegantly, 
and said, "Of course, sweetheart.  That is the fate guaranteed to all who 
must match their environment exactly."  

Be mainstream if you like.  But whatever for!?   How boooooooring.

Louie/Quean Lutibelle

-- 
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  Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./NWK 07102
  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                    Heteroprivilege is against New Jersey law!
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Torch Song Trilogy on TV last night
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:44:21 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


What with one thing and another, I hadn't noticed any announcement
that the film version of _Torch Song Trilogy_ was going to be
broadcast by WPIX last night, but I managed to see (and tape) all
but the opening credits.  I caught it when it was released and was
glad to see it again, especially since the other half of my family
hadn't seen it.  I was surprised to see it on television.  

I'm not good at filling in the details of what was edited out, but
there's really no way to "sanitize" TST and they didn't try.  It
included plenty of swishy, nellie types, a few "straight acting"
types, two men (pajama-clad but embracing) in bed, lots of instances
of men displaying sexual affection towards each other, and a drag
queen as parental role model.

Among the sponsors were General Mills, Toyota, Procter & Gamble
(Ivory), Home Depot, Gillette, Meinecke, Boku (which I may be
misspelling), the New Jersey Lottery (!), and-- believe it or 
not-- MacDonald's.  I don't know which of these are parts of the
same huge conglomerate.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Originator: jns@rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:19:58 GMT


Jeff Norris (norris@infonode.ingr.com),
demonstrating that Jeffs can be *quite*
silly at times:

> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> > [of grooves per side of record...]
> >What record is a counterexample?  Blank records don't count. 
> 
> One example that comes to mind is is the (old) cylinder record, 
> which had no sides at all. :-)

Oh, come on.  They had an inside *and*
and outside, didn't they?

--jns  [besides, I *like* hushpuppies]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Quayle on Homosexuality
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:37:00 GMT

AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Patcom Team) writes:
[... quayle mistake quotes...]

for the macintosh users, someone at apple put together a funny
quicktime movie of a bunch of these. actually *seeing* the footage of
dan quayle saying these things adds quite a bit to the absurdity...
two thumbs up!

--mike
From: dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Howard Solomon in My SunExpress Catalog?!
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:43:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.

Is that Howard Solomon smiling at me on page 49 of my summer SunExpress
catalog?  With a red power-tie and an 800 number, wow!

(Nice seeing you again, Howard!)

[I don't see follow-ups in soc.motss, sorry, but mail works.]
-- 
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\  /Dan Greening    Software Transformation   1601 Saratoga-Sunnyvale Rd, #100
 \/dgreen@sti.com   (408) 973-8081 x313       Cupertino, CA 95014
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:20:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep15.031151.12139@tc.cornell.edu>,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep14.232120.25206@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> >If you caught the "60 Minutes" piece last night (9/13) on gay cops, you
> >can quickly see how the police force is (along with the military) one 
> >of the last bastions of "old boy macho-ism" where it is socially
> >acceptable to discriminate against gays.  
> 
> Huh.  And here I was, thinking that one of the last bastions
> of "old boy macho-ism" was Boob's brain ("This is Boob's brain.
> This is Boob's brain on testosterone.  Any questions?").
> --
>        Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

A few: 

What is it that's masquerading as 'theory' at Cornell this year, and what
could it possibly have been about such a wash-up as yourself that
attracted them into putting you on the pay-roll?

Still using 'Boob?'  Such a penetrating wit - but then, you do need a
penetrating *something* now, don't you, dear?

Isn't thinking about testosterone terribly painful for you?

Melmac
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:03:48 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

Like many people are now.

As far as I know, the closest Air Force base that is scheduled to close
on the new cuts is at Myrtle Beach.  There may be others closer, maybe
even some in Florida.

What stinks is that the idea of ``dealing with the devestation of
hurricane Andrew'' is to build tent cities which people have to live
in for an expected 6 months or more and promise to rebuild the base.

Why not hand these folks $10,000 or so, and ask them to move to
Myrtle Beach where we won't close the base?  Why schedule to rebuild?
Homestead is 90% destroyed.  Homestead (Holmstead?  again no print)
was dependent on an airforce base which was destroyed.

We have to spend $$ to destroy existing bases.  Why rebuild one
when we have pleanty in good condition which are being shut down.
Just pay people to relocate.

Yes, votes in Florida.

What a cynical a terrible thing.  We promise to let you live
in tent cities while we rebuild the base, even though you could
be living in low-rent, possibly even goverment subsidised, apartments
near Myrtle beach where you can continue to do whatever you were doing
for the destroyed base.

----------------

I hate it that Bush has decided that queers don't count, so AIDS
is a non-issue.  I really hate it.
I also really hate that Bush wants tent cities of people who might
vote for him in Florida rather than letting them move to places with
depressed housing markets, tons of rental space, and even cheap houses
to buy.  Keep 'em in tents!  Maybe they will vote Republican for president!

Sickening.

Laura

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:54:25 GMT

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) demonstrating that Jeffs can carry 
silliness to extremes:

>Jeff Norris (norris@infonode.ingr.com),
>demonstrating that Jeffs can be *quite*
>silly at times:
>> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>> > [of grooves per side of record...]
>> >What record is a counterexample?  Blank records don't count. 
>> One example that comes to mind is is the (old) cylinder record, 
>> which had no sides at all. :-)
>Oh, come on.  They had an inside *and*
>and outside, didn't they?

But the insides were uninteresting.  Besides, I *really* like the shape
(and size).

>--jns  [besides, I *like* hushpuppies]
-jeff [hush puppy]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:27:53 GMT

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>Kathy Beatty (katbea@auto-trol.com):

>> ... and the accordions should drive everyone else off.

>Now that Kathy's signalled the beginning
>of a good accordion bash, 

Speaking of accordions, what's Phoebe Legere doing 
these days?

Last I encountered her, she'd just finished a role in 
"Mondo New York," was singing and playing (you guessed it,
accordion, to pan reviews) in New York and Nairobi, 
designing (and wearing) bizarre lingerie, and being 
thrown off an Amaretto ad gig after appearing in
Playboy.  That was in 1988.  She had also lopped 5
years off her age and insisted Legere was her birth name.

See, in 1976, we were neighbors.  But back then, old
Phoebe was Phoebe Ledger, a raving lunatic who insisted
all men should be killed and that women would then
"remember" parthenogenesis.  She painted a controversial
mural on my college student center wall, of a 10-foot 
nude amazon aiming a gun at the viewer.  Right before
parents' weekend.

> [ bagpipes, glass harmonica, wind machines, Zamfir ]

I was once in an orchestra where the conductor often
jumped in playing a nose flute.  We premiered a piece 
for trombone, potlids, and coke bottles.  It wasn't
very good.  

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Levi Strauss and the BSA
Keywords: Boycott - Call in!
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:29:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Just a reminder --

Levi Strauss recently decided to stop funding the Boy Scouts of
America because of their discrimination against homosexuals.  Levi's
has started a call in campaign.  Please call to say that you support
their decision to stop funding the Boy Scouts.

1-800-872-5384 / 1-800-USA-LEVI

"The call is free, so act now!"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Liz Smith on Diane Mosbacher
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:27:43 GMT


Liz Smith's column in Monday's (9/7/92) San Francisco Chronicle
was about Diane Mosbacher, lesbian daughter of George Bush's
chief fundraiser (and former Commerce Secretary), Robert
Mosbacher.  It seems the Washington Post ran a story on Diane
last week, entitled "The Lesbian in the GOP Family."

I'll let Liz take over...

    Forget that Diane Mosbacher is gay.  Just try considering
    her as a human being, and you'll see how admirably she
    comes off in this piece that pits her life and social
    realities against the gay-bashing of a Republican
    hierarchy headed by her famous father and her brother,
    Rob (who is running the Republican re-election effort in
    Texas.

    Diane has had a 17-year relationship with Nanette Gartrell
    (referred to in the article as a "gorgeous doctor").
    Diane is the regional medical chief for mental health in
    California's San Mateo County.  She donates much time and
    money to a host of gay causes.  Both Diane and Nanette are
    close to their families and "delight in visiting nieces
    and nephews."  Reporter [Laura] Blumenfeld notes that
    "theirs is the longest-lasting relationship in the entire
    Mosbacher family."

    Diane says of her father's and brother's attitudes within
    the GOP: "I think they really don't know -- I hope they
    don't -- that this affects people in the street, that
    people can get beat up, people can get killed, teenagers
    can commit suicide."
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: BEWARE!!! Readers of DENEUVE....
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:01:30 GMT

kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater ) writes:


>Anyone else had this trouble?  Anyone got any ideas as to how I can
>either make sure I get a reply or/AND get my issues?  As a college
>student on a limited budget, this mistake that DENEUVE has madwe is
>hurting me in the pocket, not to mention the heart.....
So, why don't you try clipping out one of the subsciption postcards from a 
copy of the magazine and sending that in. Also, they may have a 1-800 number.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE
Fundraising Committee for the Procurement of a mesh tank-top for LL Cool J
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:33:15 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

In article <34794@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton) writes:
>When Clinton lifts the ban on Gays and Lesbians in the military, as
>promised, or whoever in 1995 or so ... lets us not forget to fight that
>those who got dishonorable discharges because they were Gay or Lesbian
>get reassigned honorable discharges.


Oh sure.  And George will have no new taxes.


-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: adoption
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:01:20 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
: --
: John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
: 
But how about fucking Ms. Congeniality?


Kathy
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:42:03 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>Ellen (elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu) (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
>>Perhaps possibly, just possibly, the boycott in 1987-88 affected
>>_Newsweek_ just a little?
>
>What was the boycott?

Their coverage of our last March on Washington was, to put it kindly,
minimal.  (Somehow, hundreds of thousands of queers managed to collect
in the streets of Washington, D.C. while every reporter on staff was
out for coffee, I suppose.)

Many of us disgusted by this took to collecting those little fly-out
cards that proliferate in every issue, explaining our opinions clearly
in broad-tipped marker, and sending them back -- Business Reply
postage already paid, you see.  We also mentioned that we wouldn't be
subscribing till they deigned to notice us.

Apparently they have, rather.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
 "If they don't see you when you are there, they won't notice
   when you leave -- or are taken."    --Martin Niemoller
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: If you haven't sent your checks to no-on-hate yet, do it!
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:20:13 GMT

> nomad@castle.org (Lee Damon) writes:
>The UPI reports today that Pat Robertson's organization ("Christian
>Coalition") has donated $20,000 (that's twenty-thousand dollars folks)
>to "the cause" (measure 9 - anti-gay measure in Oregon).
>They are also "launching an Oregon chapter to recruit voters through
>churches."
>
>It goes on to say that Lon Mabon "went to Robertson's Virginia home
>over the weekend to take part in a political [? word missing] sponsored
>by the Coalition.  (The one that Bush spoke at Friday.)

In his column in today's (9/14) New York Times, Anthony Lewis
tackles "The Two Americas," one "extraordinarily tolerant of
diversity," the other "a country periodically gripped by hatred."
Here are the last two paragraphs:

    The other night President Bush went to Virginia Beach to
    join Pat Robertson, the minister who heads the Christian
    Coalition, at an evangelical rally.  Pat Robertson is a
    hatemonger.  He wrote members of the coalition that the
    forces seeking equal rights for women wanted women to
    "kill their children" and "practice witchcraft."

    What was George Bush doing with that professional hater?
    Would he go to a Klan rally for votes?

Also in today's New York Times, there's a letter-to-the-editor
following up on last week's opinion piece by Michelangelo
Signorile, "Behind the Hate in Oregon," which I posted here.
It concludes:

    Oregon presents an example of the challenges to liberty
    all Americans face.  Access to health care, adequate funds
    for children's programs, reality-based sex education and
    the right to choose are attacked by the same people who
    systematically target one of our most disenfranchised
    groups, homosexuals.  The time to speak out is now.
    attempts


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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: misogyny (previous subject line deleted)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:00:00 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


Anyone who thinks that it isn't misogynistic to
insult a man by saying "you've got penis envy" 
doesn't have a clue.  

Of course, that's probably not all he hasn't got.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Hate mail
Originator: jns@next.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:32:39 GMT


Frank Swilling (minotaur@cup.portal.com) comments
on the writer of poison-pen letters to Melinda 
[and Steve, and Jess], giving the *perfect* 
opportunity for a gratuitous follow up [just to
keep Frank from complaining]:

> Melinda Shore, who has her own pet theory, shares with us
> some thoughts from a *really* *together* guy:
> 
> >From: oecheruo@sugrfx.acs.syr.edu (okechukwu c. echeruo)
> 
> Okechukwu C. Echeruo my foot.  Artimus Page *LIVES*!

I'm convinced that this name must be a
really naughty anagram, but when it comes
to word puzzles I always defer to my more
clever twin-brother Rog.

[Who, by the way, has little else to 
 entertain him, living virtually as a
 castaway on that itsy-bitsy island.]

--jns
Xref: sparky soc.motss:38802 misc.kids:23114 soc.bi:12178
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 09:25:46 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss,misc.kids,soc.bi
Subject: Bye bye!

this is an ODD crosspost list, but i wanted to say goodbye
to all three nwsgroups.  my Io81409 account is going away,
forever, due to the fatc that i am all done my classes and
will be graduating (YAY!!!!) in december.  i'm looking
forward to beign done with my degree, but i will miss this
account.  it and i have been through rather a lot together.

to everyone on soc.motss, i will be back, as soon as my
sysadmin (send mail to troutman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com to
hurry him up *grin*) adds soc.motss to the newsgroups we
are currently getting.  the rest of the groups here, however,
we will nto be adding, cos i am the only one that wants
them.  *sniff*  so the new england misc.kids cookout will
be the last time i do anything with misc.kids.people B(

and thanks to all the soc.bi-ters for being such nice
people...

anyone wanting to keep in touch can e-mail me at:

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com

au revoir!  do svedanya!

                                     -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: nambla bashing (was, harrassing 'phone calls)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:54:58 GMT

Oh dear. First I thought the header said 'lambda bashing'...

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
From: goldfarb@husc4.harvard.edu (Warren Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NPR on Printing "Gay Ideas"
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:37:38 GMT
Organization: Harvard University

In article <m0mSE6f-0000tbC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly) writes:
>> From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
>> Date: 7 Sep 92 14:43:33 GMT
>>
>> This morning NPR's Morning Edition had a report on the trouble Beacon
>> Press had in finding a printer for "Gay Ideas," a book of essays by
>> Univ. of Illinois philosopher Richard Moore.  Beacon Press was turned
>> down by 23 printers before they found one willing to print the book.
>
>I called Becaon Press and talk to the Publicty Department. They said that the
>book will be available on October 15 and my be order by calling 617/742-2110
>ext. 596. That the book should also be in Glad Day Book Store in Boston and a
>Differnt Light in San Francisco.
>

The author's name is RICHARD MOHR.


Warren Goldfarb
Department of Philosophy
Harvard University
From: homulka@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Homulka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:22:34 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Regarding the Non single on Mute Records:  you're right.  I've never seen it,
but it is described as having two holes in it.  Also certain tracks play on
45rpm while others play on 33rpm.
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