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From: chajek@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (chajek)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: SEXING COCKATIELS
Keywords: SEXING COCKATIELS
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:05:01 GMT
Reply-To: chajek@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM ()
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

I have been reading the articles here on sexing cockatiels.  I am looking
for a FEMALE lutino cockatiel for breeding.  Is it always true that
the lutino females will have dark grey barring on their tail feathers
and that the males will be solid yellow?  If I see a solid yellow
cockatiel with no barring on it, am I to assume that this bird is male?

Thanks for any advice you may be able to offer.
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: toys
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:48 GMT

swardson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Mary Anne Swardson) writes:

>Hey, all you bird experts. I am posting this for my daughter who wants
>some good ideas for cockatiel toys. Her birds, Willis and Wanda, have
>all the standard things - lava rocks, cuttlebones, string, bell-toys,
>mirrors, etc. Also, they spend most of the day outside of their cage.
>But she thinks they need something new and wonderful. Any ideas?

If they spend most of their time outside the cage then they might like
a play gym. Look in Bird Talk or a large pet store. If you are handy with
tools you can build your own. Be sure to get one sized for 'tiels.


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From: excited@med.unc.edu (Wally German)
Subject: Locating a Bird Club in Kansas
Originator: excited@index
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:17:37 GMT

I have gained a wealth of knowledge from the other members
of the bird club to which I belong.  My children live in
Wichita, Kansas and would ejoy attending meetings and
having the opportunity to have "expert" help as close
as a membership roster away.

I have been searching for a bird club in Wichita or the
vicinity and haven't been successful.  Does anybody know
if there is such an organization in that region?

Thanks!

Wally German
excited@med.unc.edu
From: gordy@endor.uucp (Robert Gordy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Unruly 'keets
Keywords: SEXING COCKATIELS
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:35:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep15.023556.9057
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

We are desperate for some help with our parakeets.  We have
two male one year old parakeets.  They're very
friendly and love to hang out with people.  Part of the
reason they are so friendly is that we leave them out of
their cage for most of the day.  They basically have full
access to most of our apartment.

This weekend things went crazy.  They both decided that they 
now like to perch on top of the two paintings we have in our
living room.  We try to chase them off, but I think they think
its a game and they just go right back.  When we chase them off,
they usually fly to their cage so lately we've been putting them
back inside and locking them in (partly as a punishment and partly
to stop them from hanging out on the paintings).

We have two questions:  first, do punishments (like locking them up)
really work with parakeets?  Second, do any other bird owners have
problems with birds and paintings?  We can handle cleaning the
furniture, blinds, doors, etc., but it's kind of hard to clean a
painting.  We're also a bit worried because they try to eat the 
paint off the painting itself (I'm sure it can't be good for them).

Thanks in advance for the help.

Rob and Rebeca
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From: neves@chimay.cs.colorado.edu (NEVES RICHARD K)
Subject: Re: New addition to the family...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.191508.14553@unislc.uucp> chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete) writes:
>Some breeders will pull an outside tail feather and see what grows in.  If a
>solid grows in, then it is male, otherwise a female.  I have found this an
>accurate way to sex baby cockatiels.  Just don't pull the feather until it is
>mature (usually 8 weeks is good).  

Lucky us.  When the breeder was showing us how to hand feed her, she
flapped out of my hands and onto the floor.  She was fine, but she
lost just the feather you're talking about (I think it must have bent
to begin with.  So we'll see what comes up.

>BTW:  keep an eye on its weight while you're weaning it.  They can drop weight
>pretty quickly and not show it until it is too late.  

We haven't been doing this.  I'll start.  She eats *constantly*.  Eat
Eat Eat, it's all she does.  I can't imagine she is going hungary, but
I'll start monitoring her weight anyway.

Thanks,
Rich
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Help needed--crying amazon
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:01:02 GMT
	<ROBERTS.92Sep3094408@studguppy.lanl.gov>
	<1992Sep8.173959.4629@Cadence.COM>
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7


In article <1992Sep8.173959.4629@Cadence.COM> janices@Cadence.COM (Janice Simon) writes:

> A response to Doug Roberts' article.  This response is probably an 
> over-reaction to Doug's article.  Sorry.  I know Doug had the bird's 
> well being in mind.
> 
> Before the ranting and raving begins, I'd like to thank all those
> who responded to the problem about the crying amazon.  We're continuing
> with the positive reinforcement.  Not a lot of results yet, but it's new
> to both of us and I'm sure it's going to take a while...
> 
> I may be over-reacting to your response.  If so, I apologize.  After all,
> I did ask for suggestions, and I would have probably come to the same 
> conclusions that you did if I saw a similar article.  

No more than I was to yours :-}. I am glad to hear that your
Green-cheek has a nice home! For what it's worth, our Green-cheek
bonded instantaneously to my wife that day we walked in to our vet's
office two years ago. The vet had the bird because the boyfriend of
its then-owner had just tried to strangle it (him -- Maynard). Well,
we took Maynard home that day, and he _still_ cries after my wife
anytime she walks by the bird room. _I_ won't do; it _has_ to be her.
Maybe it's just an artifact of Green-cheeks' personalities that they
bond so strongly to one person.

Maynard pays minimal attention to the other birds in his room (a
double yellow head, a blue-front, two goffins, a severe macaw, and a
black-headed caique). He seems to only want to be around my wife. She
minimizes the problem by letting him ride around on her shoulder
frequently while she does stuff around the house.

> In fact, that may be the root of the problem.  He may
> be worried that I am going to leave him for an extended period of time.
> He doesn't cry when my husband leaves the room... only when I do.

Could be. Parrots can get awful insecure when they suspect that their
lives are about to be disrupted. You ought to see our crew when we're
packing to go on vacation: long necks, big eyes, nervous...

Good luck with yours.

--Doug
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From: cswardso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christine J Swardson)
Subject: general advice on cockatiel management
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:42:35 GMT

I need some advice from long time cockatiel owners about the following items:  
I have two grey 'tiels, a male and a female (Willis and Wanda), both 
hand-raised.

1)Switching them from seed to pellets (they were weaned on pellets but have
been eating seed for approx. 1 year.
2) How much time do they need to spend out of their cage?  ie I have a busy
schedule and feel guilty when I don't get them out for a long time.
3)Extra play things, ie play gyms, cage toys etc
4)To clip or not to clip, their wings, that is.

I would appreciate some sage advice.
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From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: SEXING COCKATIELS
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:48:04 GMT

chajek (chajek@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM) wrote:
: I have been reading the articles here on sexing cockatiels.  I am looking
: for a FEMALE lutino cockatiel for breeding.  Is it always true that
: the lutino females will have dark grey barring on their tail feathers
: and that the males will be solid yellow?  

You will never see grey on a lutino.  If you do, then you have a pied, not a
lutino.  Lutinos are actually easy to sex (given that they are mature - having
gone through their first molt).  Find a good light and have the breeder (or
whoever is comfortable handling the bird) fan out the tail feathers for you.
On the underside of an immature or female lutino, you will see faint *yellow*
barring.  On a male, the tail will be solid yellow or white with absolutely no
barring.  If you are still unsure of the sex of the bird and are sure it is
mature, then you can check the wing feathers (primaries).  A mature female
lutino tiel will have obvious pale yellow dots on the underside of her
primaries.  A male will not.

Since there seems to be some interest in sexing tiels, I will write up a more
extensive "treatise"  :^) on the subject.

: If I see a solid yellow
: cockatiel with no barring on it, am I to assume that this bird is male?

Yes.  But you must look very closely in good light.  The barring on a lutino is
very easy to miss.
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From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: 'Tiel likes catfood?
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:13:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <2A9E5DE4.4220@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>> Purina nuggets into the cavern ;-}).
>
>Ravens and other wild birds that are primarily ground feeders have no problem 
>processing the types of bacteria inherrent in mammal food.  Psittacines do 
>not have the same kind of resistance.  
>
>You will find that very few opinions are universal among avian vets, but you 
>will also find that many avian vets are not up on the latest research and 
>findings.  For example, high level of protein found in cat and dog food are 
>very bad for most types of psittacines with the exception of possibly African 
>Greys.  The fat and ash in cat food is also very very bad for them.
>
>I don't understand why anyone would want to take those kinds of chances when 
>the pelleted food on the market is, depending on the brand, far superior for 
>the digestive and nutritive needs of psittacines.
>
>
I agree with this - several years ago, I started feeding my budgies
the corn/bean/rice/dogfood diet touted by most of the vets I saw.
One time I took a sick bird in to be cultured and the vet mentioned
that dogfood has bacteria that can affect birds.  That was enough for
me - I switched the fourth ingredient to a good avian pellet and have
been very satisfied with this diet (I mix with some seed also).  Why
take the risk?

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
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Does anyone else's 'tiel do this?

When I take Ralph out of the cage, he's generally quite hyper (after
all, he's just a kid).  He enjoys having his head and neck rubbed.

Every once in awhile, though, when I'm rubbing his head, he'll
suddentlystart biting my fingers, then he drops his head, raises his
tail, sticks his wings straight up and begins flapping.  Sometimes he
settles down after a second or so, but usually he helicopters off the
ground and flys a few feet (he's clipped).  After he lands, he's back to
his old self.

What is he trying to tell me?  Is this a sexual thing (he's only about
3.4 months old), is he playing, or is he getting upset at something?

Thanks in advance!

- Bill G

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From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: More Weird 'tiel Behavior
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:40:46 GMT


In article <50740017@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras) writes:

> Does anyone else's 'tiel do this?
> 
> When I take Ralph out of the cage, he's generally quite hyper (after
> all, he's just a kid).  He enjoys having his head and neck rubbed.
> 
> Every once in awhile, though, when I'm rubbing his head, he'll
> suddentlystart biting my fingers, then he drops his head, raises his
> tail, sticks his wings straight up and begins flapping.  Sometimes he
> settles down after a second or so, but usually he helicopters off the
> ground and flys a few feet (he's clipped).  After he lands, he's back to
> his old self.
> 
> What is he trying to tell me?  Is this a sexual thing (he's only about
> 3.4 months old), is he playing, or is he getting upset at something?
> 

Well, birds fly for a living -- it comes naturally to them. Ralph has been 
caged up all day, and he (being a youngster, after all) has energy to burn. 
The flying reflex just takes over...

--Doug
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From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Birds in Florida
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:47:51 GMT

In article <Btypu3.9KG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu writes:
>I have been reading in the rec.pets about the problems
> in Miami with all the dogs,cats,ferrets that need help.
> Does anyone know how the birds are doing ? Any info
> about damage to Parrot Jungle or the Miami Zoo's birds.
>
>
>  jim crouse
>  university of illinois

The big outdoor aviary (Miami Zoo?  I don't think that it
was Parot Jungle) got wiped out.  The only birds that were
left onsite were those that decided that they liked it where
they were, even with the netting no longer in place, so they
stayed.  Same for a lot of the other animals that were there,
deciding that they would, for whatever reason, hang around
rather than head for the hills (hills in southern FL? Well...)

There have been a bunch of volunteers running around trying 
to bait and catch many of the birds, so with luck they will 
get some of them back; they did have some rare types.

Maybe now we will have some really interesting wild parots
breeding in the everglades!  Could be the start of something
colorful!

Doug
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From: neves@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (NEVES RICHARD K)
Subject: buying a buddy for our cocketiel
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:04:20 GMT

Help!

We our getting a buddy for our 2 year old female pied cocketiel (chuck).
We have never purchased a bird before.  There is a large pet store in our
neighborhood that seems very reputable.  They have a zoologist come in every
day to take care of their birds which seem in very good health.  

1) Is it important that the cocketiel is hand fed?
2) Does it matter if we get a female buddy for chuck?  We could get a male, but
   it is not our intention to breed (we just want a companion for her).
3) The store have several greys/cinnamons/pearls all of which are *not* hand 
   fed and are 49 dollars.  They have three hand fed pieds for 109 dollars 
   each.  There is one cinnamon that seems unafraid of faces peering at her.  
   She is perky and healthy.  We like her (if it is a her - we still aren't 
   sure how to distinguish w/o doubt), will chuck?  Also, are pieds generally
   more expensive than the other variaties or is the 109 price because they are
   hand fed?
4) If we do get another bird, how long should be keep him/her separated from
   Chuck?
5) If we get a male and the birds breed, how much work will this be?  Do we
   need to be experts?
6) The greys in the store seemed to be very skittish.  When we moved our faces
   close to the cage they all jumped back on the back of the cage and hung on
   like flies.  She we avoid purchasing one of these or will they 'get use' to
   humans?  They are about 3 or 4 months old (i think).

I appreciate all net wisdom on this.

Thanks,
Rich (and Michelle)
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From: jbeckman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jill N Beckman)
Subject: Avian Vet in Western MA?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:54:36 GMT

I've recently relocated to Amherst, MA, and am hoping to locate a good
avian vet within reasonable driving distance, in the event of an emergency.
Can anyone suggest such a person?

Please email responses to:
  jbeckman@titan.ucc.umass.edu


Thanks...
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From: sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: 'Tiel Sexing (was Wierd 'Tiel Behavior)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 00:05:38 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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Chris writes:

>It sounds as if she wants to mate.  But even more, it sounds like she is a he.
>Many male cockatiels do what you describe.  Are you sure of the sex?  If yes,
>then she probably wants to mate and raise a clutch.
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>Chris DelPrete Delaney    \'o.O'
>chris@unislc              =(___)=
                             U

	When I purchased Gandhi (yes, that's it's name), the seller,
who had a good reputation in town, said it was most probably female,
although it was still too young to properly sex-does this sound right?
	Also, Gandhi's coloring isn't too strong, in particular, the
cheek patches are not as dark as the ones on the definitely male
'tiel which my mother owns.
	Gandhi isn't interested in mirrors, unlike the male 'tiels
I've known, and the male budgies which I have owned.  Gandhi is also
not very vocal.  

	What's the opinion out there?  Is Gandhi Indira or Mahatma?

	I would be glad to have Gandhi have a mate, but that won't
fit in to my current living situation, a small 1-bedroom apartment,
and my neighbor (who happens to be visually-impaired) complained
when I had placed Gandhi outside-the pitch of Gandhi's chirps is
irritating to him.  Needless to say, I will move when my lease
is over (next June!-can we make it?).

	Thanks for all of your help, I've been keeping birds
by trial-and-error for too long!  Gandhi is the first semi-hand-
raised bird which I have owned, and my next bird will be hand-raised
from as early an age as possible.  The extra cost is most definitely
worth it!  

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From: melton@skat.usc.edu (Mike Melton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Help.  Fierce Amazon.
Followup-To: melton@usc.edu
Date: 11 Sep 1992 10:49:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Sep11.000546.19604@news.Hawaii.Edu> gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:
>Has anyone got any ideas about how to calm a fierce amazon?
>
>Lafitte is exceptionally fierce towards Katherine, lunging
>at her with open beak and splayed wings and generally treating her as a
>rival.

I've seen this behavior in my own bird, a macaw, towards timid women. My
bird is very aggressive by nature. It is always a constant battle to let
him know that I am the master. He really takes advantage of people who
are frightened by him.

I believe your bird's behavior towards Katherine is fun for your bird.
It is quite apparent that the bird recognizes Katherine and knows
that Katherine is intimidated and will allow such behavior. It also
sounds as if Katherine is rewarding the bird for this behavior by jumping
back, jumping on chairs, and pulling away, which probably results in a 
commotion by others as well. These events are mighty fun from a bird's 
perspective.

What you need is a deterrent for the behavior the moment when such displays
happen. Through vocal and spray-bottle training, my bird responds to the
phrase "No biting!" When my bird was very young, I gave him a squirt with
a spray bottle when he would act up. When giving him a squirt, I would
say "NO!" The bird soon associated the exclamation "NO!" with getting
squirted. After a while the bottle was no longer necessary and the exclamation
was enough. A while after that I could use "NO!" along with other 
phrases, such as "NO! NO BITING!" The bird would cease his current activity,
puff up, and submit. Soon my bird began associating the tone of voice I
used with "NO!" and "NO BITING!" to be my affirmation of dominance. It
works pretty well, but it takes a while. I, and even strangers, can use
"NO!" and "NO BITING!" to stop my bird's aggressive behavior, such as lunging
and biting.

I suggest that you might try this. Perhaps you could show your bird that
you do not appove when she lunges at Katherine first. Then, after a while,
Katherine can affirm her own dominance over the bird. The reason I don't
recommend Katherine starting out with a squirt bottle is that it may just
make the bird distrust Katherine. One response that Katherine might try is
a stance of dominance. Katherine should look down at the bird with a fixed,
angry gaze, and not flinch until the bird turns away.

Anyway, this is just my experience with training, and it may not work with
every or even any other bird. But, it has worked pretty well for me and mine.

Good luck!

Mike
From: Darcy@cup.portal.com (Darcy S McConnell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Picture of a Cockatiel
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:17:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa


I am in need of a picture of a Cockatiel.  If anyone has one and is willing
to uuencode it and send it to me i would greatly appreciate it!  I have
looked everywhere for one.

Darcy.
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From: mhm104@access.digex.com (Mitch Markowitz)
Subject: Proper Cockatiel Diet
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:02:35 GMT

I have received quite a bit of advice on the proper diet for Cockatiels but would appreciate what some of you have found to be successful diets.  Please respond either here or send me mail.  Thanks in advance!
 
                                  Mitch Markowitz


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