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From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Insurance recommendation
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:07:14 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Recommendation:

   * Talk to State Farm about insuring your motorcycle

Reasons:

   * My 1989 CBR600F cost $220 per year to insure, with theft
     and collision ($500 deductible).  At Allstate, I was paying
     close to $600.

   * My new 1993 CBR600F2 is going to cost $300 per year to insure,
     with theft and collision ($500 deductible).  I shudder to 
     think what Allstate would have wanted.

Caveats (important):

   * Single male, 28 years old.

   * No tickets or accidents.

   * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike without a car
     on the policy.  However, their auto rates were much cheaper than what
     I was paying at Allstate, so I had no problem switching.

   * I have not had any claims with State Farm, so I don't know (a) how
     well they handle them, or (b) what they will do to your rates.

As always, your mileage may vary.

-rob.
-- 
Rob Griffiths    "And the future will be better tomorrow" - Dan Quayle
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From: dstine@cisco.com (David Stine)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Date: 17 Nov 1992 04:17:35 GMT
Organization: Mutant Ninja Cockroach Conspiracy
NNTP-Posting-Host: regal.cisco.com

In article <789@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
>However, as a motorcycle rider, too, I must say that I really dislike
>other cyclists "splitting the lane".  I dont care if it is "legal".
>I think it is dangerous, "unfair", and inflamatory.  70-90% of those
>that I see who split the lane do it in what I believe automobile
>drivers think is a "hot shot" fashion.  And like it or not, it makes
>enough of them hostile to motorcyclists that it puts ME (and YOU) in danger
>when I ride.  I would vote FOR prohibiting such action.
>(this has been irritating me for some time; this finally seemed like
>the time to say it)

Well, you have a problem here. If you outlaw it, then the moto cops can't do
it either, except in pursuit. (ie, probable cause, pursuit and all that.)

And vehicle laws which apply to only the cops are sometimes tough to get on
the books. Especially now that civilian review boards are finally beginning to
gain some ground.

The solution to this as well as 1.0E9 other problems is not to pass
legislation. All doing so it make the lawyers richer and piss the rest of the
populace off. How about things like training and education?

If a biker gives me some advance signal and time to react, I'll cinch up on
one side or the other to give him room to slip by in traffic. I'm not spooked
by it. Never was. And no, I've never been inflamed by a biker slipping through
traffic in which I was stuck while he could mosey on home. And I never thought
it was "unfair"; because I was brought up knowing that life in general was
unfair. Having been brought up so, I don't get my panties in a righteous panic
when someone is able to do something I can't.

dsa
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:20:50 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1e1eviINN9ev@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
}- any road between 280 and 1; 92 is usually a zoo, but 84 (Woodside
}  Road) is wonderful. Kings Canyon is very narrow, Page Mill/Alpine
}  is twisty (and the Alpine side is very bumpy), 9 is nice but busy.

I've only been on the Alpine portion coming down towards 280, but it was
far too bumpy to be enjoyable for my taste.

}  17 is interesting but lethal; Soquel-San Jose road is nice and quiet.

What are conditions like on the old San Jose-Santa Cruz Road that sort
of parallels 17? I hate fighting blind beach-crazed cagers on 17, but
I'd rather not end up on dirt/gravel on my cruiser, either.

}- the road up to Mount Hamilton (Rt. 130) from east San Jose. You can
}  continue on the back side of the mountain up Mines Road and end up
}  in Livermore several hours later. You won't see many cars back there
}  (maybe one every 20 minutes or so).

I would strongly suggest that a beginner take freeways to Livermore and
do this ride the other direction -- towards San Jose. This puts you on
the mountain side of the ride the whole time rather than the cliff side.
And lest this seem like just a lark to the beginner, just from Livermore
it is about 35 miles to the top of Mt. Hamilton, and quite a few more
miles down the other side and back to San Jose proper. And watch for the
bot-dot gouges! As of a few weeks ago they had gouged out ruts to install
bot-dots flush with the road so the plows could still work, but were
showing no signs of getting around to actually installing the bot-dots.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	'91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Shepherd "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210928.15143@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>Unfair: It is unfair to restrict my use of the roadway when for ONCE my
>smaller size is an advantage -- the cages may be stopped but I still have
>room in the lane to keep going. My small size causes me untold grief and
>danger; this is one of the few times that it is an advantage. It is also
>unfair to force my air-cooled engine to crawl along at an average 5 mph
>and overheat when I have plenty of room to continue forward at 15-20 mph.
>Cages are by and large water-cooled; bikes are by and large air-cooled.

Many motorcycles will overheat if left standing at idle, watercooled
bikes like my 900 Ninja are among them.  It's even worse if you have
to throttle up every few seconds to move forward another 10 feet.  My
Ninja will push the needle into the red zone in a matter of a few
minutes under such circumstances.  A design flaw?  I think so, but it
is not uncommon among sport bikes.  I've never waited around long
enough to find out if it would actually boil over.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
            TCSI Berkeley, CA USA  (510) 649-3781
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:47:13 GMT

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>I've only been on the Alpine portion coming down towards 280, but it was
>far too bumpy to be enjoyable for my taste.

That was my impression when I first started riding, too.   Nowadays, though,
I'm quite fond of it.   I think the main trick is that I've learned to avoid
overcontrolling on the handlebars on roads like that - if you take most of the
shock in your legs and your butt, it's a lot more pleasant of a ride.   (BTW,
the 280 side is called Page Mill Road, not Alpine Road.   Alpine Road on the
280 side is the blocked-off road on the left about a mile down from Skyline
that all the mountain bikers ride on.

				_MelloN_
--
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:38 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1e964vINNcaq@agate.berkeley.edu> dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook) writes:
}I agree with the last sentence above... I wasn't sure and am still not
}sure, but it seems to me recently that more and more cars are aware of
}motorcyclists in stop and go traffic, and are moving over to give me
}some room... I've noticed this habit in LA to some extent, since I've
}heard that no cop in his right mind is going to give a bike a ticket
}for lane splitting on the freeway system in Los Angeles... Is it just
}me, (i.e. have I been lucky) or have other people noticed this?

I have also noticed this. But there are still the few (usually with
huge winged side-mirrors -- former asshole lane-splitter victims?)
who are further ahead, see you coming, and quietly edge over to your
side of the lane to block you. This may even be unconscious or simply
my distorted perception; I'm not an impartial observer by any means.

In general, though, I have seen more and more people moving over to
make way for lane-sharers on the freeways, but no such niceties on
city streets. Waiting through three lights to get through one
intersection is not my idea of a good time, but if I can't lane-share
safely then I don't do it.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	  '91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Golden "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:20:54 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <JET.92Nov19132530@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>My agent is Jack Flesher, 415.941.8700.  Tell 'em eric townsend

I can't remember mine's name, but he's on hamilton in Palo Alto. 

It's hard to  type with a cat in your lap...

>                                "HotHead Rules!"

She got you, too? :-)


jim
-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)                                      *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |    If you think education is expensive,      * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |              try ignorance.                  *
From: wplee@joule.elee.calpoly.edu (Winston Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Need advice/help getting a bike.
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:48:20 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo



Hi, 
   I'm planning to get a bike which ranges between $2000 -> $3500. Since I
stop riding after '89, I need some advice/help getting one. I am looking 
for bikes like Katana 600, Interceptor, GSXR 750, Ninja 600 with '88 or 
later model. 
   I found this two in the ad and what do you all think?

'88 Katana 600 - 16k miles, tank bag, cargo net, 2 helmets. $2200.

'86 Interceptor 700 - 24k miles, tank bag, 1 helmet. $1500 / obo.

  You can e-mail me or post it on the net.
Thanks in advance.

winston.
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: K75 ...
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:23:43 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)

jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

>"spiros" == Spiros Bouas <spiros@wave.asd.sgi.com> writes:

>spiros> Where do I go for a good selection of BMW's ?
>spiros> The paper has too few and most dealerships mark them way the hell up!!

>Cal BMW.  I've had nothing but success with them [...]

Or, San Jose BMW.  I've bought one bike from them (an R100GS) over a
year ago, and one from Cal (a R100RS with Sidecar) about 9 months ago.
After having service done at both places, I think I prefer Cal, but
San Jose does an adequate job.  I got a better price on my '90 R100GS
from San Jose, so I got it there.  Both dealers are reputable, will
generally give you good prices, and have good folks working there.
I've had San Jose put several "additions" to the GS including three
tre-cool "driving" lights, and they've done a great job of finish
work.  Makes driving at night in the mountains a lot more fun.  On the
other hand, have my brush guard on my GS wire-tied to the break
reseviour (for those with newer GS's and brush guards, you might know
why).  Cal had to remove the guard (and the wire-ties) to replace the
brake fluid, and when they put it back together, they used new (and
better) wire-ties to re-secure it.  That alone give them 3 official
brownie points on service.

Both Kari (Cal), and Mike (at least I *think* it's Mike, it's been 6
months or so since I've been in - San Jose) are good guys.  Kari seems
a little more of the 'hacker', but I think they have better sales than
San Jose, so they sometimes won't dicker as much.  Neither of them try
to charge over retail, and you can always get some stuff tossed in for
free.  Even when I bought a used bike from Cal, I got some t-shirts
and other do-dads tossed in the deal.

Cal also has cool monthly rides, that anyone (even non-BMW riders) are
invited on.  My friend with the ST1100 went on one of the rides, and
reported that they treated him "just like everyone else".

Check 'em both out, buy where you like it best, or where you get the
best price.  We're lucky in the Bay-Area to have two very good BMW
dealerships.

--
Ken Wallich
wallich@ncd.com  
ken@wallich.com
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:18:10 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Nov20.163539.17975@ictv.com> scott@ictv.com (Scott Watters) writes:
>	
>I don't know who told you this but State Farm insures ONLY my 93
>CBR900RR. I have AAA for my house and Jeep. Granted it may cost me
>more $ if I don't get the multi vehicle discount but full coverage
>with lots of liability and $250 deductable costs me $500 per year. I'm
>31 years old with a clean record (0 points).

State Farm also insures my not-imported-to-the-US RZ500.  Full
coverage, $250 deductable, ~$250 a year.  They didn't balk when I
told 'em what it was, unlike the first company I talked to who
claims to specialize in bikes and didn't want to touch the RZ.
The State Farm agent just asked how we could figure the value of
the thing if it gets destroyed or stolen.  I've insured a number
of cages and other bikes with the same agent though, so I can't
say that a first-time client would get the same deal.

I also asked my agent about insuring my BMW R100, and the cost
for just liability on it came out to be the same as the full
coverage on the RZ.  Since I can get that cheaper elsewhere, that's
what I did.  I think State Farm bases it's motorcycle insurance
on displacement.


--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
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From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:14:41 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <1e8v9dINNe5n@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>Anybody interested in biking in the area should buy a decent set of maps;
>there's a book of good ones available for $12.95 (14"x17", green cover,
>covers all of California north of Santa Cruz). These show ALL of the
>roads, unlike most gas-station style maps.

Do you know tha name of the book and where to get it? Is it better/worse
than AAA maps?

than x,
jim
-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)                                      *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |    If you think education is expensive,      * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |              try ignorance.                  * 
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:51:43 GMT

In article <789@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:
>However, as a motorcycle rider, too, I must say that I really dislike
>other cyclists "splitting the lane".  I dont care if it is "legal".
>I think it is dangerous, "unfair", and inflamatory.  70-90% of those
>that I see who split the lane do it in what I believe automobile
>drivers think is a "hot shot" fashion.  And like it or not, it makes
>enough of them hostile to motorcyclists that it puts ME (and YOU) in danger
>when I ride.  I would vote FOR prohibiting such action.
>(this has been irritating me for some time; this finally seemed like
>the time to say it)

Right. While you're sitting in your car, waiting for traffic in front of you
to move, it's only "fair" that everyone ELSE be required to wait, correct?
Hey, let's do this too: REQUIRE that all motorcycles park in a FULL parking
space, because after all, it's not "fair" that a car get that big, long 
space, while a bike has to take up that itty-bitty space for motorcycles.
There, now isn't everything "fairer"?

Now, next time you're in a traffic jam, and you see someone splitting lanes,
do this: take a look around, and notice all the single occupant vehicles 
immediately in front of you, behind you, to your side, etc. Now ask yourself
"If just 25% of those people were on bikes, and hence able to split lanes,
would I (in my four wheel lane blocker) STILL be stuck in this mess?" Chances
are good, you wouldn't be. Also bear in mind that the lane splitter does not
cause YOU to be any later, and in fact, given that all the bikes that were
lane-splitting ahead of you may already have passed whatever obstruction is
causing the jam, or may be home, you probably get there just a BIT earlier.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Need advice...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:55:46 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov23.152247.20930@leland.Stanford.EDU> glen@leland.Stanford.EDU(Glen Robert Morrell) writes:
>Anyone have any advice to give about where to buy helmets on the
>Penninsula?

Road Rider in San Jose has prices that are competitive
with what the mail order places ask.  I haven't seen
better in this area.

>Also, are there trade papers for motorcycles around here,
>and if so, where can I find them?

You can get "City Bike" and "Independent Biker" in most
motorcycle shops.  The "South Bay Dealer", available
free in newsracks, has ads for bikes as well as for cars.

>I'm fairly new to the area and even newer to riding.  I hope this
>was the appropriate place to ask.

It was.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Reply-To: pat@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:22:48 GMT

steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse) writes:

>>In article <789@wookie.dbaccess.com> cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:

>>However, as a motorcycle rider, too, I must say that I really dislike
>>other cyclists "splitting the lane".  I dont care if it is "legal".
>>I think it is dangerous, "unfair", and inflamatory.  70-90% of those
>>that I see who split the lane do it in what I believe automobile
>>drivers think is a "hot shot" fashion.  And like it or not, it makes
>>enough of them hostile to motorcyclists that it puts ME (and YOU) in danger
>>when I ride.  I would vote FOR prohibiting such action.
>>(this has been irritating me for some time; this finally seemed like
>>the time to say it)

>Hostility is not usually rational.  If cagers are hostile towards
>motorcyclists because of a perceived action, and you pass legislation
>to prohibit that action, then hostile cagers will simply find
>another excuse to rationalize their hostility.

>Maybe you could try lane-splitting yourself in a non-hotshot way.
>Start by lane-splitting at redlights during rush-hour.  When all the
>cars are stopped, you'll find it pretty easy to move between them at
>about a walking speed.  You will see for yourself that this is safe
>and does not threaten cagers because of the slow speed.  Gradually,
>you'll get used to the concept, and then you'll be able to use it to
>your benefit and safety in all your riding.

>Extreme "hot-shot" riding can be both dangerous and hostile;
>lane-splitting is not dangerous nor is it hostile.  You don't have to
>be lane-splitting to be dangerous, and you don't have to be dangerous
>when you're lane-splitting.

Steve,

Well put.

Actually I think that yours is a good example of why lane splitting is 
really safer than not lane-splitting.

At an intersection I feel much safer between two cars or next to a car
(and slightly ahead) than I do when I am behind one waiting.  

When I am waiting behind a car I am always just a bit concerned that the 
truck coming up behind me might not be paying attention or does not see the 
bike with a large car as a back-drop.  The result, in this case is a 
motorcycle sandwich.  By moving up between two cars, you are significantly 
safer.  No?

I don't just try to stay visible.   I try to remain visible as much as 
possible, and to minimize the affect of my invisibility.

The same argument could be used for splitting on the freeway.

However typically if you need to split lanes on the freeway, you are 
probably already going slow enough so the vehicle behind knows your there.  

- Patrick
-- 
 Patrick Boylan, Consulting Engineer, FAE Asia/Pacific
 Wind River Systems
 1010 Atlantic Ave. Alameda, CA  94501
 email: pat@wrs.com   tel: (510)748-4100   fax: (510)814-2010
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:56:20 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com) says:
> 
> Do you know tha name of the book and where to get it? Is it better/worse
> than AAA maps?

Name? Something creative like `Maps of Northern California'. It's 1000%
better than AAA maps; it shows altitudes, and ALL roads. The AAA maps are
way overrated IMHO.

It's available at Cal BMW, and at that map store in the Stanford Mall.

.....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: billh@bleep.com (Bill Hassell)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: pleasant weekend rides
Summary: Great road for an all day ride.
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:55:39 GMT
Organization: Bleep node,  Boulder Creek, CA

In article <s9ei5f4@zola.esd.sgi.com>, cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
> ---
> Besides Skyline, where do you all ride on weekends?  Where
> are those cool roads?
> 
> I'm looking for a fun weekend ride that'll stretch my
> newbie abilities a bit without overwhelming them.  
> 
> ---
> cj@sgi.com    			C J Silverio	
> ceej@well.sf.ca.us		'92 Seca II	DoD #0526

One of my favorite rides is to to take hiway 25 from just south
of Gilroy to Hollister and keep going. It will take you almost
all the way to Coalinga and its a great ride. There is one spot
that is straight  and smooth for almost five miles with no side
roads and good visibility if you want to find out the top end of
your bike. I have taken this route 5 or 6 times and have yet to see
a cop between Tres Pinos and Coalinga. You can stop down in the twistys
and watch leadwings go by dragging pegs...
Bill Hassell (billh@cadence.com)