From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary King's X Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Followup to TWO topix....
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:58:42 GMT
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Organization: Cecil Money, Ltd. (Mr. Peanut Division)

This is a followup to the Kruk/Zeile trade rumor thread, and one
of the various Yankee musing threads.... The UC Davis News Feed, which
was excellent a year ago, has been HORRIFIC the last few months since
reorganization, budget cuts, and bad weather have attacked.

Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
> I do think though that they need to do something with Jordan, for both his
>and the phils sake.  He has been wasting away on the bench, and he would make a
>fine DH in the AL. 

Have you been dipping into Lou Gorman's stash, man?  Ricky Jordan has never
hit....can't hit....and won't hit.

If he has a 'big' year, it'll be this one.  He turns 28 in May, has never
posted an OBP over .325, even in low ABs.  Through his first 1150 PA, he
only walked *43* times.  He is, by any definition, a stiff.  He might make
a fine DH in a T-ball league somewhere, but that's as far as I'd go.

Noderate average, moderate power, NO OBP, NO defense, 27+ years of age?

Don't call us, we'll call you.

*** That's the one about the Phillies/Cards deal, but I guess it's about
    Ricky 'Stiff' Jordan instead.  Onward to Yankee fodder... ***

jpollock@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
+Kelly's year last year was fairly atypical of his "career" up to then and also
+I think of his potential.  Watching all the games, I noticed that Kelly (along
+with Mattingly, who is most certainly NOT an impatient batter by anyone's
+standards)

Mattingly is damn near my DEFINITION of an impatient hitter.  He WILL NOT
walk.  His career high in walks is 56 (through 1990), and through 1990,
he had walked only 342 times in roughly 4800 plate appearances.  That
sure as hell sounds like 'impatient' to me.

As for Kelly, what sort of potential are you talking about?  He wouldn't
know a walk if it bit him on the ass, and he'll be *29* this year. 
Potential?  Ha.  What you see is what you get.  He'll be helped somewhat
by moving to Riverfront, but Kelly is exactly the sort of guy I'd like to
trade *away* from my club.
 
+I'm not sure why this was true...perhaps just pressures from the organization
+to perform, NY media, etc...  going to Cincinatti I think will improve his
+patience.  After all, with the exception of Kevin Maas two years ago, no one
+on the Yankees has walked an incredible amount.  

Which is why their offense could easily be improved.  There's a Williams
guy you should put in center and leave there.  Also, Tartabull's known
for walks - have a peek at him sometime.

Kelly WILL NOT walk.

Not much, any way.  Maybe he'll increase to a 50 walk per year guy.  Great.

+You have to remember, Showalter really wants to use Williams.  He's said
+repeatedly that he believes that Williams has the ability to be their everyday
+outfielder.  So why should they deal for O'Neill instead of dealing for someone
+they could use, like a CATCHER!  

Showalter's a fool, then, if you mean the BAD Williams.  Showalter, if
I remember, preferred Gerald to Bernie.  (Or do I have those guys mixed
up AGAIN?)

+(esp. after giving away a minor league 
+catcher prospect like Brad Asmus in the draft).  I don't think it was a
+horrible trade at all.  maybe slightly uneven, but definitely not a trade in an
+area where they needed improvement.  Outfield and first base are two positions
+that they've had covered for years.

Not.  Kelly, Hall, and Mattingly?  Welcome to mediocrity.

+I would love nothing better than for the veterans on the Jays to falter and the
+Yankees come in second or first.  But in order for the Yankees to contend,
+Steinbrenner has got to let the team gel without his influence.  That, I
+believe, is the main problem.

Mattingly at first, Showalter in the dugout, Steinbrenner in the owner's box,
and BERNIE watching GERALD play?  Ick.

A side note...Aren't Bernie and Gerald pretty weird names for ballplayers?
Sounds more like two guys from the net....

-- 
*   Gary Huckabay    * "Why don't you try to get them all together?"  "I've *
* "Dying a slow, yet *  thought about it, but I'm much shorter in person."  *
*  painful, wet, odd * "But you're smarter in person."  "I throw harder,    *
*    offseason."     *  too.  But short trumps all that.  5'9", y'know."    *