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From: michaelm@titanic.esd.sgi.com (Mike Mohageg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khuzestan
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:22:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct7.080526.5391@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar 
|> >
|> >O.K., the rest of you khuzestanis take a shot at translating the following:
|> >
|> >"lomp house"
|> >"pamp house"
|> >
|> >Remember the heavy British influence in Khuzestan and especially Abadan!!!
|> 
|> I am going to try knowing that I might be wrong.  I hope I will not become
|> "to sey zel-zelekesh" [(c) The People of Abadan].
|> 
|> lomp house  ----->  eest-gAh-e bargh (power station)
|> pamp house  ----->  eestgAh-e pomp (oil pump station)
|> 
|> Regards,
|> Hooshyar F. Naraghi
|> bavafa@netcom.com
|> (415) 322-8056



Welek Hooshyar, damet garm.  May be you still have some of that Abadani left in you.  

You're correct:  lomp house is eest-gah-e bargh;  pamp house is bascially tolombeh khuneh or eestgah-e pomp.

Mind you, the English never called the power station a "Lamp House"; nor did they refer to the pumping station as "Pump House".  It was just Abadanis and their broken English attaching names to things (lomp house va pamp house).




Take care for now,

-- MIKE

P.S. I won't be there for soccer; away on a trip.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: michaelm@titanic.esd.sgi.com (Mike Mohageg)
Subject: Re: Khuzistan and another quiz
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:56:38 GMT

In article <BvvHAK.24p@encore.com>, samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri) writes:
|> michaelm@titanic.esd.sgi.com (Mike Mohageg) writes:
|> 
|> >etc.  But I remember one of my favorite snacks was a classical bit of
|> >"junk food."  The estakhr-e Segush (and beraim) use to sell these
|> >really tastey potato chips.  I don't know if you remeber, but they
|> >were pretty greasy and real crunchy.  After a full morning of playing
|> >zadani bala-ye dive (anyone remember that??!!) the chips went nicely
|> >with a Kuka (Coke).  So what's all this ranting about?
|> 
|> Yes I do remeber both estakhrs and the potato chips.  I also
|> rememebr "zadani bAlAye dive".  However, I've been trying so hard
|> to remember the name of the game in which two teams played, one inside
|> the water covering the width of the pool while every member of the
|> other team tried to dive/swim over them from outside and reach the
|> other side without being hit.  What was that game called?
|> 
|> Here's more AbAdAni trivia:
|> 
|> 	- What did it mean when they said someone is "zAree"?
|> 	- Do you know what "ho be-yo" is?
|> 	- What is "seper-tAs"?
|> 	- Where did the name "seek lane" originate from?
|> 	- Who was a "bacheh KAmbeezy"?
|> 	- Who was a "day-gol"?
|> 	- What does the word "fogor" mean?
|> 	- How about someone who was from "bakhsheh heejdah"?

Soheila,

How goes it?  So, the game in the pool was called "pull away" but with our accent we said "pool avay".  Actually, It was a great game and lots of fun.  I wouldn't mind playing it today!!!  Zadani balay-e dive was becoming a bit dangerous towards the end there, 'cause we were diving so close to the edge of the pool (from the 5 meter platform!!) so we could get out quickly and run back to the top of the dive.  But it was also fantastic fun.

I'll give the translations a shot:

zAree = upset; so I'd be zAree 'cause of something someone else did.

"ho be-yo" = means "hey, come here" (this is an easy one, Soheila khanom)

seper-tas = this is originally an Indian work, I believe.  It is one of those triple decker lunch boxes that were all attached to each other with the same vertical handle.  They kept the cool stuff cool, and the warm stuff warm.  Quite handy (this was a tough one; took me a while to remember)

Seek lane = I believe this is from the street that had the hopspital on it.  Or maybe a lot of Indian Sieks frequented the area.

becheh kambeezy = Abadani for "susul" or bacheh naneh. For instance "Weh, to sey eee becheh kambeezy shodeh ba eee kafsh-e aidesh!!!"

day-gol and fogor = I don't remember these.  

bakhseh heejdah = was near nakhlestan, but I don't remember anything peculiar about people from there!!


I like these translation challenges.  It really makes you think back quite a few years to remember some of these words.

|> Soheila

Good luck,

--MIKE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@ifi.uio.no
Subject: Re: Purpose of life
Organization: Dept. of Informatics
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:04:18 GMT
Originator: kambizm@gyda.ifi.uio.no


Philosophy:

There is certainly no purpose in life. So be happy and don't worry. There
is either a God playing creation. Then he has got a purpose and not us.
If there is no God, I can not find any special purpose in life either.
So consume the life my friends and take the moment as precious. Make
merry if you can. If you can not, like me then just carry the burden until
death will release you from your burden.

Molavi:

Abe miane joo ravan
Abe kenare joo fesorde
In tond ro, an kond ro
To tond ro ta nafsori


Afsordan ya fesordan = yakh zadan


                                                 Kambiz
From: benf@next.com (Ben Fathi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khuzestan
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.023140.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>  
desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
> Here are a few more... See if you can guess them...
> 
> 	o  Oolaa	o  A`cheh	o  Le-Vaa	o  Kanee-saa
> 	o  Eelaa	o  Mooflangi	o  Harrysaa	o  Kelek
> 	o  Mi		o  Dolabb	o  ShavAdoon	o  Reet
> 	o  Shoomee	o  Sar Oo	o  Gajjdoom

shoomee = hendevAneh
shavAdoon = zir zamin (see below)
A`cheh = cherA

> Ali...
> -- 
> Desert@ccit.arizona.edu

Do you remember having to go to the shavAdoon in the middle of the day
because the grown ups wanted to have a siesta after lunch, and how dark
and cool it was down there, and how you couldn't fall asleep no matter
what you did, and how the grown ups finally got fed up with all the kids
making noises and said you could go upstairs and play in the yard, and
how it felt like your brain was melting in the hot sun of the early
afternoon, but you didn't care because all your friends and cousins
were out there with you, and how it felt like the world was beautiful
place? Do you remember the Karoun in Ahwaz? Do you remember the shady
and beautiful side streets in Dezful? Do you remember spending all
afternoon going from one movie theater to another, drinking Ab-havij?

God, I gotta stop... it's too much.

	ben

PS: Is it time for soc.culture.iranian.kuzestani yet? :-)
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Khuzestan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:53:52 GMT

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>So I have a question probably from 'khoon garm' khuzestanis people again.  Do
>you remember 'pol-e dokhtar?'  Was it somewhere in khuzastan or lorestan?
>I vaguely remember my late brother used to tell me that it was the bridge
>that linked khuzestan to its neighboring 'ostAn.'  Did it also have any
>historical significance in ancient Persia?
Every year when we drove to Tehraan from Abadan we stopped at POLE DOGHTAR.
It had a river passing by and a few good restaurants.  Another place
close to there is TANGE MALAAWI.
I always liked POLE DOGHTAR because it was our first stop and the fell of
starting vaccation.  We also used to swim in the river and had a lot of
fun there.
We usually left Abadan around 4 AM to get to cooler mountains of lorestaan
before noon.  The heat in Khoozestaan during Summer is unbearable.
Good old days
and plenty of memories.


Ala

>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian.indian
From: anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra)
Subject: Re: India wants permanent U.N. Security Council seat
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:06:22 GMT

mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:


>	NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- A foreign ministry official said Saturday
>that India has formally staked its claim to a permanent seat in the
>United Nations Security Council, contending the present membership
>structure is unfair.

> ... has contended that as home to more than
>one-seventh of the global population it had a right to be represented
>permanently on the council.

Incidentally, China, which has a permanent seat in the Security Council
has spurned the idea of India getting a seat in the Security Council at
the recent Non-Aligned Conference at Djakarta(?). China, which is not a
member of the NAM was invited to the Conference as an observer.

anand
--
Screw PBS & NPR news. Tired of news "sanitized for your protection?". Try:
misc.activism.progressive, "Lies Of Our [NY]Times", "Z" magazine (Boston).
KPFA 94.1 FM (Bay Area), 90.7 (L.A.), 90.1 (Houston, TX), 89.3 (Washington, DC)
These are my opinions, not my employer's. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: naghmeye Aref ...
Organization: VezArateh Farhango-honar
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:26:10 GMT

SeyyedA, bi-adabAneh jahAn-rA mabAshad ghami
	cherA keh az dahAneh to boroon Ayad kesAfat hami

bordi Aberooyeh deeno, mihano, doostAn
	raftAro kerdArat darsist barAyeh har mosalmAn

cho bioftad bedasteh amsAleh to gerAmi IrAn
	shavad farhango dAnesho mamlekat virAn

gar to boodi az taheh jAn mosalmAn
	nemikardi khodrA mas-khareyeh Adamian 

sehat bakh-shidi bar kalAmeh LoghmAn
	haghA keh bAyad adab Amookht az bi-adabAn


No more comments. 

Asghar AghA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: The result of being polite!
Organization: VezArateh Omooreh dAkheleh 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:53:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.161157.28084@wuecl.wustl.edu> s
eyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>
>>Neither will it be built by a bunch of self-righteous "I-know-better-than
>>-you" backward anti-Islamic and anti-Iranian hypocrites. I would much
>>rather live in a shack with the bare necessities and breath freely rather
>>than live in a golden prison with all the amenities.
>> ...
>>Aref

>
>You see! This is the result of being polite! I ask those people who ask me
>to react only with "reason" and "logic" to review their theorems.

So??? What are you trying to say? I believe that people like you are
hypocrites and self-righteous. Means they think they are always right
(or at least act that way) and their deeds and their words significantly
differ at times. This is far from calling someone a sexual pervert with
serious personal problems. Seyyed joon, don't attribute your style of
labeling to me. I don't subscribe to your school of thought. The worse
I have ever done was get into an argument with the COW several months
ago. Even then, the worst I did was call him a COW (a joke) and some silly
stuff (including saying that one of his suggestions "beh dardeh ammat
mikhoreh") - in exchange for vaseline for me and my sister. Even then,
as you had suggested, I apologized just to satisfy you. So please don't
give me this crap. I made a mistake and I think I learned from it. Very
simple issue. Happens almost every day (the making a mistake part and
learning from it).

>I really
>am not surprised to see this. This is the same guy who knew the name and
>specifications of the prostitutes of "shahre no" by heart! (I had never
>heard of them in my life!) 

As it so happens, I was/am very curious about everything that went on in 
my hometown, so I used to read the papers line by line around the time
of the revolution and asked all sorts of questions from anybody I could,
including strangers on the street.

For your info, bucko, I was 12 years old during the
revolution, which makes my age less than 11 when shahreh-no was in 
session. So what are you going to say next??? My family sent me to 
Shahreh-no to meet people??

I also happen to know that one of the daughters of Ayatollah Khomeini
is married to one of the sons of Ayatollah Boroojerdi and the name
of one of their sons is "Massih" - hence "Massih Boroojerdi". So 
what does that prove hazrateh AghA?? That I was the prime minister????


>Aref khAn, are you among the average of the people
>in exile, or among the better ones?

I am not sure what you mean by exile. I am here by choice, and whenever 
I decide to go anywhere, I guess I will just have to buy a ticket and
get my paperwork in order. As to the question, that's for me to know
and for you to try to find out. Are you trying to report me to somebody??

Aref

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: ZiArateh Seyyed WUZ Re: Monty Hall Paradox
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:59:22 GMT

Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Oct8.170307.1415@EE.Stanford.EDU> 
|> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
|> >seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
|> >>
|> >>     ye kam az khodet mAye bezAr bebinim rofaghA dar stanford chand mardeh
|> >>     hallAjand.
|> >
|> >Come down for a visit and find out for yourself. Unlike you, we here
|> >do not offer any "pass gardani". In fact, we will treat you to a
|> >"chelokabAb e soltAni" and "pAloodeh shirAzi" if you ever decide to
|> >visit as is case in point with a few other ahAly.
|> >
|> >    --mack
|> 
|> I second that. We have invited others (ahem :-) from the midwest before
|> but have been turned down. Seyyed joon, toro khodA biyA didaneh mA. We
|> are pretty mehmoon navAz and usually entertain the SCI visitors in the
|> bay area. Ask some of the ones who have been here. There was one from
|> St. Louis as a matter of fact ... :-)


I third that AghA Sayyed.  Please come down here.  We are very nice
people and  you gona have "chelokabAb e soltAni" and "pAloodeh shirAzi".

Even if you want we can find somebody to accept your "pass gardani" but
you have to deal with him later by your own! :)


-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: ali baba the tough guy
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:12:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <sehari.718742558@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>In <28600035@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:
>
>
>>>P.S.
>>>Due to aid disease, bring your own (baadkoonek) for protection and
>>>Use the back-door as an emergency door in case of police raids or
>>>Sogholi's arrival.
>>>
>>>	    ************************************************
>>>	    * ALI BABA, not a legend, but the shining      *
>>>	    *       star of the 1996 olmpic                *
>>>	    * **********************************************
>
>>Who's your role model, asshole?? Mike Tyson??
>
>>If Salman Rushdie's punishment is death in Islam, what does Islam prescribe
>>for Ali Baba's highly intellectual post?  I guess if it's a non-believer
>>then any crap can fly, huh. Is this the "effat" and morality that your Islam
>>aims to achieve by covering women?  I marvel at its success. 
>
>>Now we know the real source of your logic.  It's much smaller than you think,
>>and that's why your logic is so weak.  Put this newsgroup to good use, and 
>>get your brain out of your pants!!
>
>>Agha Javad
>>(closed today out of disgust)
>
>Hey, you get insult for insult.  Our way is always, to answer an eye for
>an eye.  When people insult our secret religious leaders, we do answer back.
				 ~~~~~~~.................

reality has an annoying habbit of revealing itself, doesnt it?

>As we said before, if you do not want to be a fair game, do not start.
>
>                                 With highest regards,
>                                      Babak   Sehari.
>-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Senior Mojahedin Meets with Senator Gore
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:50:31 GMT


 
I just learned that Mr. Mohammad Mohaddessin, member of
the Executive Committee of the People's Mojahedin of Iran
and Head of the organization's International Relations
Department met with Senator Al Gore, Democratic vice
presidential nominee. The objective of Mr. Mohaddessin's
visit, very briefly, was to explain the present situation
in Iran as well as to acquaint Mr. Gore with the goals of
the National Council of the Resistance.
From: behrooz@cps.msu.edu (Roozbeh Behrooz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Mother of Iranian Cinema (part 1)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:14:21 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: behrooz@indian.cps.msu.edu

The following article is from the monthly magazine Gozaresh-e Film 
(Movie Review) published in Iran.  It is the story of the 83 year old Roghie
Chehreh AzAd who has been on Iranian movie scenes for more than 60 years.
The story is reported by FaribA AfkAri (the magazine reporter).  The quick 
"online" translation is is by me; it probably contains mechanical, spelling or
grammar errors. Enjoy!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


In the year of 1310-1320 theater is becoming popular, attracting more and 
more audience.  Tonight in the BArbod's Society Theater, the seats are all 
taken and people are watching the stage with excitement.  A young beautiful
girl with large body and large face and high voice enters the scene and starts
playing her role.  The audience applauds her and the play continues and so 
does the applause.

"That night my first role was a hit.  I said the first sentence and it effected
everyone." Says Roghie.  At the end of the play everyone was mentioning the 
name of the young actress in the play Naghsh-e Zan Dar Ejtema' (Role of 
woman in society).

She is from Tehran and has passed 83 Springs of her life.  Her real name is 
Roghie Fakhrolmoluk Tavakoli, but in that first night of her career, she was
called Chehreh AzAd.

She finished school and soon became interested in theater.  Her first few plays
were "Naghsh-e Zan dar Ejtema'" (Role of woman in society), Leyli va Majnoon,
Khossro va Sheereen (the 2 famous Persian love stories), and EdAlat (Justice).
These plays were performed mostly in Barbod's Society, PArss Theater, and 
Dr. VAllA's Theater in LAleh ZAr Street.

After sixty years, she still remembers well those days.  "When I went on the
stage the for the first time, my father's family disagreed, but my mother's
family were supportive.  For this very reason our relationship with my father's
family became sour.  My interest in Theater was so strong that I used to play in
different plays and different roles in the same season.  It has been only
interest in theater which has kept me going after so many years."


TO BE CONTINUED.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: The result of being polite!
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.145019.1018@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.175325.6164@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>
>>So??? What are you trying to say? I believe that people like you are
>>hypocrites and self-righteous.
>> ...
>>Aref
>
>Shall I post the private e-mail that you sent me a while ago, so that 
>everybody, specially Hooshyar, understand who is hypocrite?
>
>Seyyed.

Go ahead Seyyed joon. I already sent you a response to your private
email saying so. Go ahead and write a full commentary under it, because
I thoroughly enjoy the dog and pony shows, of which you are a star. 
Go ahead. Make my day. [(c) Clint] 

Aref

From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:19:33 GMT
Subject: hejab question
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

Dear fellow netters,


A while back when the hejab issue was being "discussed", a few of our
friends explained that a rationale for enforcing hejab is that it minimizes or
lowers the probability of acts of lust in society.  I then asked this forum
why, then are not bullet proof vests enforced to minimize or lower
the probability of murder in society?  No one has responded to this question,
yet, and I am seriously interested if our pro-hejab-enforcement friends
have an answer to this.  Until now, the only explanation I have heard
besides the above rationale is that it is a divine ruling, which I cannot 
argue with.

If the only explanation is a divine ruling, then don't give us such rationales.
And if you do give us such rationales, I would greatly appreciate an answer
to my question, thank you.

(To Seyyed:  Please ignore this post and keep working!  And by the way, I fourth
the invitation for chelokabab, and I'm sure we can find a nice place with halal 
meat too!)


may your yoghurt cultures flourish,


Agha Javad
(doogh-e-khAnegee-e-tAzeh reseed!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: AI's recent shocking reports of mass executions in Iran
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:18:57 GMT

  

Amnesty International released yet another report on Iran
revealing shocking news of mass executions, torture,
summary executions following demonstrations (when people set
buildings afire as show of disgust and protest), execution
of individuals on religious grounds, etc. The report,
including the cover page and summary, is eight pages long
and is entitled ``IRAN: Executions of prisoners continue
unabated'' (AI Index MDE 13/18/92). This report was released
on October 1, 1992 and is complementary to another document,
``IRAN: Unfair Trials of Political Detainees'' (AI Index
MDE 13/15/92).

Excerpts from the first documents will be posted soon.
For additional details, see the actual documents.

The Khomeini regime's crimes against its own citzens warrants
a firm approach by the human rights organizations and other
international bodies, e.g., the UN Security Council. The
regime must continue to feel the pressure of the unequivocal
international condemnation. DO what you can to stop mass
executions in Iran; regime's terrorism against Iranian
women, regime's terrorist acts outside Iran, and regime's
execution of religious minorities.
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Monty Hall Paradox (was Re: Physics-1A Question)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:49:22 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab


>In article <92281.200221RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>>     For a more recent discussion, see The American Statistician, Volume 45,
>>     Number 4, November of 1991( I think). Several incorrect solutions are
>>     analyzed as well. However, as posted before, there is no "correct"
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>     solution to the problem. It all depends on the hosts strategy or the
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>     number of assumptions you are willing to make. It can be said that
>>     it pays to switch (probability is at least a half).
>>
>>RezA

>That's because the problem, as stated by shahrokh, is vague and subject to
>different interpretations.

>Seyyed.

     You computer experts out there should be able to settle this quickly.
     I think the best way to do this is to simulate the problem using
     pseudo randaom numbers (Monte Carlo method). This is a simple
     Monte Carlo problem and should take less than an hour to program
     and very little cpu time to execute. The outcome will depend
     on the assumption of "bias" by "Monty". I am interested to
     know if a switch will increase the probability or not.

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian