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From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: i want a cdrom drive!!!!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:43:56 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) wrote:
>I have send a post requesting for info on cd-rom interface. The uncertainty
>of these interfaces make me hesitate to buy any CDROM.
>	My first choice now is IDE Soundblaster CDROM internal kit.
>
>I do not advise you to go for SCSI if you use a PC, because you will be stuck
>with the manufacturer's SCSI driver. There is not need for special device
>driver for IDE because it is the standard for IBM Pc architectures.

I would disagree with this.  SCSI on the PC isn't a standard, but for
that matter, neither is just about anything else.

But using the same argument, A PC CD-ROM with anything BUT a SCSI
interface is non-standard.  In addition, I would be extremely
surprised to learn that you don't need a driver for this Soundblaster
IDE CD-ROM interface; MS-DOS requires an intimate knowledge of the
layout of the disk, and CD-ROMs aren't laid out in the same fashion as
are PC disks.  Chances are, you will simply need a driver to interface
from MSCDEX to IDE, just as SCSI users need a driver to interface
MSCDEX to their particular SCSI card.

I have dealt with Creative Labs from the standpoints of customer,
competitor, and potential business partner, and quite frankly, I would
rather take my chances with the SCSI world than trust them to support
me with drivers, particularly with a nonstandard product.

>If you want to use it on both PC and MAC, I can't help you. Other people will
>advise you better but my guess is that you must make sure they are both
>pin compatible. Mac SCSI use 25 pin connection, and it may not be SCSI 2.
>The SCSI driver must last the lifetime of your CDROM or versions of CDROM
>software you want to use, so choose a manufacturer that will be around for 
>a long time and one that will give free upgrades.

If you buy an internal drive, they all use a standard 50-pin header
connector, similar to (but larger than) the floppy and hard-drive
cables in a PC.  Surprisingly enough, SCSI and SCSI-2 use the same
cable.  It is the external, 25-pin cables that are different: I
beleive that the SCSI-2 type is convertible using a relatively
inexpensive gender-changer-like device, but can't be sure.

>	Adaptec 1542 upgrade drivers are not free.

No, but their driver support (ASPI) is second to none.  They charge
that much because they can.

-Dave

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: KLEIN@ENH.NIST.GOV (sami klein)
Subject: Photo CD
Reply-To: sami klein <KLEIN@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:56:00 GMT

From:   ENH::KLEIN        "sami klein" 15-OCT-1992 14:46:56.16
To:     IN%"cd-rom-l@uccvma.bitnet"
CC:     KLEIN
Subj:   Photo CD

I just received mail from my gas and electric comapny.

They show a Philips player, Model CD1910 that is CD-I, and a Photo-CD player.
It lists for $599.95 in Maryland.

Sami Klein
NIST
Gaithersburg, MD
KLEIN@NBS.ENH.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.periphs
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: CD-WORM (Was: Re: "Erasable" CD-ROMs)
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:19:01 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.170138.26473@uts.cc.wayne.edu>, rwilson@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Ron Wilson) writes:
|> In article <44799@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> sklower@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Sklower) writes:
|> >Sony and phillips have been selling CD-WORM drives, which utilize
|> >media that can be read on a normal CD-ROM drive (or put in a standard
|> >consumer CD player)  Unless you're a giant like KODAK, the blank
|> >media costs on the order of $35-$40 and can be written only once.
|> 
|> Any one know of any other maker of CD-WORMS?

The October 1992 issue of Electronic Musician has an article on
recordable CD technology.  The term most commonly used is CD-R (CD-
recordable), not CD-WORM, though the latter is reasonable as well.

At the end of the article is a list of systems and manufacturers,
which I'll summarize here:

Self-contained systems:

	Marantz			CDR6000			 $7,500
	Studer Revox		D740			$11,500
	Yamaha			YPDR601			$13,980
	Denon			DN-7700R		$16,000

Computer-based systems:

	Philips			CDD 521			 $5,995
	Optical Media		TOPix (sw for CDD 521)	 $4,000
	Sonic Solutions		Sonic System DAW	$20,000+
	Sonic Solutions		SonicStation DAW	 $5,000
	Sonic Solutions		CD-200 CD printer	 $9,750
	Sonic Solutions		TrackMaker software	   $895

Sony is conspicuously absent from this list.  I know that a Sony
CD-R system exists, since one of the groups in my building has
had one for quite a while.  On the other hand, my group has been
unable to obtain one of these for our own use.  Also, as far as
we've seen, software is currently only available for operation
under NEWS-OS 4.x, which we don't use.

-- 
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jbradfor@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey Bradford)
Subject: MSCDEX at CICA bad!?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:13:33 GMT

Warning to all: I think the file MSCDEX.ZIP at the CICA archive at
wuarchive is BAD.  I have ftp'ed it twice, and they are identical.
Neither work on my system.  The version I ftp'ed from cdrom.com
(called cdext.exe I think) works.  I spent 4+ hours trying to figure
out why my new CD-ROM player wouldn't work; as soon as I got the
version from cdrom.com it worked perfectly.

Please someone else ftp it from this site, and tell me if I'm
right or not.

Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Sony CD Rom
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:42:14 GMT

scohen@cup.portal.com (Seth D Cohen) writes:
>  At a recent computer flea-market, there was a company selling
>Sony CD-Rom drives that "supposedly" had a SCSI interface.
>The price was right (or so I thought) so I bought one, intending
>to put it in an external box to connect to my current SCSI host
>adapter.  Much to my chagrin, when I got it home and checked, it had
>a 40 pin connector on the drive rather than the 50 pin one I was 
>expecting.

>  After numerous phone calls and a large run-around, I found out
>that the drive had a proprietary SCSI interface.  I have been unable to 
>(I already know that!!) what are my options?  Do I just need a 
>cable to go from the 40 pin connector to a 50 pin connector or
>is there more involved?  Is anybody familiar with the Sony 
>CDU 535 drive?  How non-standard is Sony's SCSI interface?
*----
I don't know any of the answers, but I have some suggestions.
First, see if you can get the service manual from Sony.  That
should supply a list of the signals available, which you can
compare with SCSI.  You might even convince an engineer to
just send you that pinout.  You'll have to be very committed
and persistent (and make a few long distance calls) to find
a customer service engineer who understands what you want.

You should also inquire about a replacement interface board.
It might not be what you wanted, but will at least help you
get something out of your investment, even if you have to
resell it.

Also check with DTC.  They have a fairly generic CD-ROM
controller for proprietary interfaces, and it appears that
the same card works with products from a number of
manufacturers (making the "almost scsi" premise possible),
listing sony, nec, toshiba, and hitachi specifically
(funny, I don't think NEC makes a proprietary interface.
so my source might be incorrect.  But it's worth checking
into.).

I hope you can salvage something worthwhile out of this,
even if you don't get the bargain you hoped for.  
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ncpmont@angelo.amd.com (Mark Montgomery)
Subject: Transforming internal CD-rom to external
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:12:02 GMT

Anyone know of a source for an enclosure/power supply combo that
would enable me to do this with a Sony drive??  If you have prices
I'd appreciate that also.   Thanks,  Mark

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Sony CD Rom
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:53:56 GMT

sherman@ecadsr.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
: 
: In article <67263@cup.portal.com>, scohen@cup.portal.com (Seth D Cohen) writes...
: >I need some help!
: > 
: 
: 
: This is perhaps not the best solution, but it is probably a solution.
: You might consider giving MediaVision a call.  I understand they sell and 
: support at least one sound board that can interface to your drive.  You may 
: have to buy the sound board, but that may not be a bad thing.  They will then 
: sell you the cabling and software (from Trantor) you need to make the thing 
: work.  You can reach them at (800) 638-2807.  Good luck!
: 
Why not just get the SCSI adapter from Trantor and call it a day?
--
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: nshaylor@fabcab.demon.co.uk (Nik Shaylor)
Subject: Reading audio CD in CDROM drive
Distribution: world
Organization: Fabcab Ltd.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:13:11 +0000

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to read the binary data on a normal
audio CD with a SBPro/Panasonic CDROM combination.


Regards,

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: skinner@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Skinner Tom)
Subject: i want a cdrom drive!!!!
Summary: cd 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:14:59 GMT
Keywords: i want to buy a cdrom drive!!

Hello,
 i am looking for a cdrom drive.. i would perfer one that has a non
  proprietary interface eg SCSI.. but if you have a proprietary
   that is ok also.. i want the card that goes with the drive obviously
   ..
			   thanks alot
						     Tom
						      
										      skinner@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:07:41 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) writes:

>sic
>[L, so, thus   more at SO]
>intentionally so written   used after a printed word or passage to indicate
>that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly
>reproduces an original (said he seed [sic] it all)

Well, you always know a thread is at its end when someone throws a 
dictionary at it.  BTW, Monty, why don't you look in a style manual,
say Strunk & White, for the "sic" usage conventions.  Much more
relevant.

John
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: libjmb@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU (John Brandt)
Subject: Re: NESE Publisher
Reply-To: John Brandt <libjmb@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:56:23 GMT

	The National Economic, Social and Environmental Data Bank
(NESE*DB) on CD-ROM is published by the United States Department of
Commerce, Economic and Statistics Administration.  The phone number to
inquire about the disc is: 202-377-1986, or you can write:
	NESE*DB
	Room H4885
	Department of Commerce
	Washington, D.C. 20230
	United States of America

The disc will be issued quarterly (starting in October, 1992) and I
believe costs will be US$ 95 per disc or US$ 360 for a one year
subscription.  It utilizes the same softwae as the National Trade
Data Bank (NTDB) and is the domestic counterpart to this popular title of
international statistics.

     John Brandt
     Woodruff Documents Center
     Emory University
     Atlanta, GA   (GO BRAVES!)
From: ben@yenta.alb.nm.us (Ben Klausner)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: MSCDEX and MSC 7
Keywords: MSCDEX Microsoft C compiler
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:52:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

I recently got a copy of the Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 compiler, but I find that
it absolutely will not run with the MSCDEX drivers for my CD-ROM drive
loaded.

Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a fix? Thanks.

-- 
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  inet: ben@yenta.alb.nm.us                    | My opinions are my own.
  CI$:  76337,1730                             | Who else would want them?
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From: chitu.patel@cutting.hou.tx.us (Chitu Patel) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Photo-CD: 35mm, 4x5,
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: chitu.patel@cutting.hou.tx.us (Chitu Patel) 

In message from Jay Jungalwala to All on 10-04-92 :

JJ>Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
JJ>From: jay@ssd.kodak.com (Jay Jungalwala)
JJ>Subject: Re: Photo-CD: 35mm, 4x5, 8x10 Formats?
JJ>Keywords: Photo-CD
JJ>Organization: Eastman Kodak
JJ>Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:27:20 GMT

Jay,
    Are you an Alumni of MSU ?

Chitu

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: J-BARD@VM1.SPCS.UMN.EDU
Subject: Hitachi cleaner
Reply-To: J-BARD@VM1.SPCS.UMN.EDU
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:24:01 GMT

Subject: Hitachi cleaner

I have an ailing Hitachi 1503S (it won't read a disk). The first thing I
would like to try is cleaning it. Any suggestions for products or methods
would be appreciated muchly.

Jane Bardon                    (612) 624-6208
St. Paul Campus Libraries - University of Minnesota
PROFS:  J-BARD              BITNET:  J-BARD@UMINN1
INTERNET:  J-BARD@VM1.SPCS.UMN.EDU
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: i want a cdrom drive!!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:18:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>a long time and one that will give free upgrades.
>	Adaptec 1542 upgrade drivers are not free.
*----
Actually, you're mistaken about this too.  The drivers
themselves are not free, but upgrades are.  Adaptec also
supplies code for alternate ROM BIOS and microcode for free.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: AISTERWI@EKU.BITNET
Subject: Cdrom Data on Bernoulli acceptable?
Reply-To: AISTERWI@EKU.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:16:00 GMT

With the deal offered by Hard Drives Int'l (two 90 meg cartriges, internal
drive, scsi card, software & FREE stacker) for $499, I am wondering if
this would be a good option for data interchange for companies producing
CDROMS? I understand several companies use SYQUEST drives? Do they now or
do you think BERNOULLI drives will be used? Thanks.

Earl Terwilliger  AISTERWI@EKU.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: adrie@ica.philips.nl (Adrie Koolen)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM standards
Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:59:48 GMT

In article <3320@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> pjs@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter John Swiatkowski) writes:
>I've read the CD-ROM FAQ on cd-rom.com and I'm still a bit confused about
>few basic issues on the Yellow Book standard, and I'm hoping some helpful
>soul will clarify things for me.
>
>Specifically:
>
>Mode-1 is for computer data.
>Mode-2 is for compressed audio and Video/picture data.
>
>CD-ROM/XA allows for interleaving of mode-1 and mode-2 data, I think.

Nope. The standard defines that all blocks on a track must be of the same
type, i.e. audio, data mode 1, or data mode 2 blocks. There are also two
kinds of mode 2 blocks, namely form 1 and form 2 blocks. On a mode 2 track,
these may be interleaved.

>Do all CD-ROM drives support both mode-1 and mode-2?

No. Not that I've seen a drive that can't read mode 2 blocks, I've heard
that some drives don't support reading mode 2 blocks. The support for
mode 1 blocks is mandatory.

>Or is mode-2 only relevant on XA compliant drives?

You might be able to read a mode 1 block in a mode 2 format. A mode 1 block
consists of 2048 bytes of data, with 288 bytes of EDC and ECC bytes for
error checking and correction. Normally, the 288 bytes are not sent to the
computer. A mode 2/form 2 sector is a raw sector of 2352 bytes. If you read
a mode 1 block in raw mode 2 format, you could do the error checking and
correction yourself.

Adrie Koolen (adrie@ica.philips.nl)
Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, the Netherlands
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.os.os2.programmer
From: joec@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (joseph cossette)
Subject: Re: os/2 cd-rom driver
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:13:00 GMT

paul.elliott@hrnowl.lonestar.org (Paul Elliott) writes:

> The cover letter that came with my os/2 proffessional Developers's Kit (PDK)
> states in part:
> 
> "A new CD ROM driver has been put up on CompuServe called, CDROM_G.SYS.
> This is supposed to support CD ROM drives other than IBM and TOSHIBAs."
> 
> I have been unable to find this file on Compuserve. Does anyone know what
> forum and library it is in?
> 
> Does the driver support non-SCCI CD ROMS?
> 
> 

No. OS/2 v2.0 only supports CD-ROM's via SCSI adapters. I've been
entertaining the thought of writing some non-SCSI drivers, starting with
the $200 special from DAK. Is anyone out there interested? If there is
enough interest I might take on the project.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: brad@huey.Jpl.Nasa.GOV (Brad Hines)
Subject: Re: CDROM.SYS or similar source code ?
Keywords: cica
Reply-To: brad@huey.Jpl.Nasa.GOV
Organization: JPL Spatial Interferometry Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:26:36 GMT

In article <yq7NsB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, joec@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (joseph cossette) writes:

> What/where is CICA?

ftp.cica.indiana.edu

-- 
Brad Hines
Internet: brad@huey.jpl.nasa.gov
Jet Propulsion Lab, Pasadena, California
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: Redistributable Digital Images
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:52:29 GMT

In article <1bbkfaINNob7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
 aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas) writes:

>It is doubtful that you would get into serious trouble by redistributing
>scanned images unless there was a Copyright notice clearly visible.
>Even then, there is a provision for "fair use" in the Copyright law
>which is pretty vague in interpretation.

Well, if you copy images and *sell* them, this is a clear violation of 
copyright law.  In particular, I have heard that Playboy is pursuing Event 
Horizons BBS for selling scanned Playboy images.


>Most of the stuff on GIF discs contains images that are for personal
>enjoyment/entertainment only.  They are of little, if any commercial
>value when viewed on a home computer.  If you reprint them in a book
>and sell it for profit, that is a different story.

Or reprint them on a CD-ROM or sell them on diskettes.

>So far, I haven't read any legal precedents re: copyright infringement
>having to so with the distribution of GIF images.  Otherwise, outfits
>like Compuserve (who developed the GIF format) who actually profit
>from the downloading of GIFs would have been in hot water long ago.

Notice that when Compuserve has GIF competitions, the winners are people who 
draw their own or digitize their own photos.  Also, they don't sell any 
software or binaries--just access time to the computers involved.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: i want a cdrom drive!!!!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:01:42 GMT

skinner@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Skinner Tom) writes:
: Hello,
:  i am looking for a cdrom drive.. i would perfer one that has a non
:   proprietary interface eg SCSI.. but if you have a proprietary
:    that is ok also.. i want the card that goes with the drive obviously
:    ..
I have send a post requesting for info on cd-rom interface. The uncertainty
of these interfaces make me hesitate to buy any CDROM.
	My first choice now is IDE Soundblaster CDROM internal kit.

I do not advise you to go for SCSI if you use a PC, because you will be stuck
with the manufacturer's SCSI driver. There is not need for special device
driver for IDE because it is the standard for IBM Pc architectures.

If you want to use it on both PC and MAC, I can't help you. Other people will
advise you better but my guess is that you must make sure they are both
pin compatible. Mac SCSI use 25 pin connection, and it may not be SCSI 2.
The SCSI driver must last the lifetime of your CDROM or versions of CDROM
software you want to use, so choose a manufacturer that will be around for 
a long time and one that will give free upgrades.
	Adaptec 1542 upgrade drivers are not free.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
Subject: Re: Listing Of Available Cd-R 
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:02:31 GMT

In article <718429605snx@gimble.demon.co.uk> graham@gimble.demon.co.uk (Graham J S Robertson) writes:
>The Walnut Creek CDROMs are also available in the UK from me.

And in Finland from me.

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