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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: UN Peace Plan and Afghan Mujahideen
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:03:46 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <5749@falcon.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.180831.16293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mmasood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mohammed A Masood) writes:
>>
>>	WHY UN "PEACE" EFFORTS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULD BE DENOUNCED
>>
>>	*********************************************************

>>
>>	For those who remember WWII, would you have agreed to Hitler's
>>call for peace or a share for the war criminals in the German
>>Government when the Allied forces were just 30 miles away from Berlin?
>>Wouldn't it seem to be the most absurd and outrageous idea to you?
>>Would you have agreed to anything less than an unconditional
>>surrender?  Would it have been justified for the League of Nations to
>>promote peace at that point?
>>
>
>	In this entire posting you have assumed that the Mujahideens are on
>the verge of victory. They are far from it. The allies were united against
>Germany to the very end while the Mujahideens are also fighting among
>themselves. Finally, Najibullah is quite capable of carrying on this war for

It appears Mr. Aman has not been following the news. 

1: Najib only had the control of three cities in Afghanistan some time now.
2: After the announcement by Najeeb of his willingness to step down army has
   started defecting.
3: The defection of Gen Dustam Khan to Mujahideen with
   40,000 troops, 
4: 2nd largest city of Afghanistan, Mazaar Sharif went into the hand 
   of the Mujahideens.

5: Kabul has been totally blocked from all food supplies for some
   time now by the Mujahiddeens.
6: Food shortages are so acute that Pakistan is shipping the
   food.
7: Food in Kabul is needed so urgently that instead of waiting
   for the shipment of food from USA to reach Kabul, USA had
   asked Pakistan to give food on its behalf.
8: There was fighting near the airport reported about a month
   ago. Najeeb has been unable to use his heavy artillary
   because of heavy snowfall.
9: Most areas of Afghanistan are under the Mujahideen control.

10:Areas in the hand of Mujahideen had set up their own
   administrations of the local Mujahideen group.

Do you want the Mujahideen to simply destroy whatever is left
of the structure of that country instead of waiting for some
time and coming out wiht some salvage value? There is no
reason for a pyrrhic victory if the success can be obtained
just by waiting a while longer!
From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:57:37 GMT
Reply-To: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Bibi  Yasmin ,

Assalam-o-elaikum,

I must say that you have great patience  in reading as  you have read two 
maulanas books.  The  point  you  missed completely  here  is  that  this 
maulana  is not  a common  man.  He himself has decided that he will do 
the thinking for his whole ummah and then the stupid ummah will blindly 
follow his sermons.  Your  mistake is that you  are thinking  which is totally 
not acceptable to maulana or any of his followers.  Person who by any mean 
is not an expert in genetic engineering  wrote a book on mensuration (sp ?),
no kidding. Its just like that some guru has written a book name "Maut  ka  
manzar." and  "Bahishtee  zaiwar."   Your last para was a gem.  Normal 
people turn out this way but one final question are you against  hijaab in 
true sense?  Wait for Jafry, hz gonna come 4 u.  Allah hafiz.
   
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SOHBAN SHAHID                 e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
Civil Engg. Dept .                     (303) 491 7710/5844/8204 (work)
Colorado State University  (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Re: Yet more excerpts
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:00:43 GMT

In article <oduigjO00VB=NFdGIf@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:>
>My analysis is slightly different. I posted these articles in the hope of
>reasonable analysis and criticism. Instead I see: oh, this author lives in
>Saudi Arabia, or is in the Aligarh Muslim University, so all he writes is
>obviously rubbish.
>
>There, I presented what I thought was a reasonable counter to some of the
>arguments in the essays. However, if I wanted to talk to myself, I needn't
>have posted all this. I do hope people will have more meaningful things to
>say than to be picky about the place of employment of the authors (quite
>irrelevant, IMO) and rather pick out the flaws in their arguments, as well
>as what may be regarded as truth.
>
>>raghavan
>
>-arun gupta
>ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu

Lemme point out similar such meaningless bias ed statements[as mentioned in
the opening paragraph] from  you. 
1] Posting articles against Hinduism would annoy Hindus [which any way
showed in Your reply to Kumar in addition to the nervous wreck statement
two days back].

2] Posting the excerpts from "Hindu World" under "Forgeries..."

In addition stating   that europeans would be secular in their
outlook while examining hindu scriptures  is an indirect biased hit at the
integrity of indian researcher.

So before blaming others, a look back at your previous postings will be
helpful in clearing the air.

raghavan
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 04:51:03 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Da'wah to American Indians

Salam Alaikum :

          I live very close to Michigan Indian reservation but that place is th
e center of gambling.  I went there once but I did not find any one interested.
I my university there are few Indian male students and maximum are Indian femat
ely students.  Prophet Mohammed (S) said men will make dawa in men and women wi
ll make dawa in women. I checked this with many scholars.  A weaker Islamic cen
ter do not have any serious program for Indians in our area.

           Sehra main azan de raha hun
           Shayed koi bandai khuda aie

                                      salam.
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Open Letter To ALL Debators (*THE* Muslims!!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:12:58 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


Asslam-o-Alaikum (to those who want to take it).

It's been about 2 months sinse this new session of Debate started. 
A carefull study of the debate and all articles would yield a rather
curious phenomenon. I write here my observation for your information:

This is how the debate is going:
I painstakingly come up with arguments in my defence will all the 
appropriate references and what you gentlemen do is just leisurly
reject every thing with one line (words may change but meaning stays the
same) and that is
   "this Hadith is most probably corrupted" or
   "this is not what God wanted to say" or
    you do not agree with my interpretation.
Rather surprisingly, NO ONE comes up with a counter argument or CORRECT
hadith to convince me.

A couple of days ago, a gentelman posted two articles by Maulana Maududi.
I kept searchng in both articles for any valid reference. (From
Hadith or Quran).

This is now my *call*. I challenge you all to give me Hadith or
Quranic Ayya that proves me false in my beliefs and proves Hazrat
Ahmad false in his claim.

Here are the rules....SET BY YOU FELLOWS:

I wont accept any Hadith not considered reliable unanimously and not
listed in Sahih Bukhari or Sahi Muslim. If you guys enter such Hadiths
not listed in these two books or are not considered 100% valid and 
corruption free, I will be also allowed to enter such.

LETs see whats the basis of your claim that Hazrat Ahmad was an imposter
(Nau-zo-billah).

Very Best Regards and Good Luck,
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: ahmads@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Looking for a friend(AHSAN BAIG)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:33:39 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia



Looking for a friend in America,his name Mirza Ahsan Baig.He is in New Jersy
or New York.He is doing MS in Electrical eng.




Syed Tanveer Ahmad
From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: IS THIS YOUR ISLAM? (Re: Through QADIANIS away)
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:40:59 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Colorado State U. Center for Computer Assisted Engineering.


In article <1992Apr16.024305.20671@massey.ac.nz>, A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz
(A. Qadir) writes:
> Dear Brs & sisters in ISLAM,
>
>  [deleted]
>
> I would like to request all MUSLIM, not the stupid
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> QADIANI "KUFFAR", please do some thing for it so we can get
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> rid of these non sense people and their non-sense posting.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Altaf Qadir



Mr. Qadir are you in your mind? Is this the way to talk? This is what
your Islam has taught you? Don't you have any respect for any other belief? 

Now that all you Non-ahmadi Muslims are running out of arguments and
logic to support your claims, this is the solution you are coming up
with? Now you want to get rid of us? If you are not interested in the
debate or you have sealed your mind to listen to other belief's, then
why are you stopping others? There are many many reasonable/sensible
people on the net, who are interested in this debate. 

Mr. Qadir take a break and go get some fresh air. 




Sincerely,



	
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mss1@cec2.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed)
Subject: Re: Pakistan bans book
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:30:22 GMT

In article <92104.095626MAK121@psuvm.psu.edu> MAK121@psuvm.psu.edu (Masood Ali Khan) writes:
>While reading the newspaper this morning, I came across an article that stated
>that the Sindh province has outlawed a book on Pakistani politics, charging it
>was offensive to Muslims.  The book is called "Waiting For Allah" by reporter
>Christina Lamb of the Financial Times of London.  Lamb talks about 'Pakistan's
...

	I thought the book had been banned a long time ago. When I was in Pak
in December, I came across a flimsy pirated copy, printed by the 'underground'
printing network - the one which faithfully reproduces any banned book within
the hour of the Govt prohibiting its sale. Well, I was only told that it was
a banned book by the 'publisher' himself, but I could be wrong...
					sajid
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan, Karachi aur XYZ.......(synopsis).......
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:34:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr7.003420.20766
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

What I took 150 lines in expalining, the poem by Harris Khaliq (posted by Amar
Mahboob Ali) explained ina few lines:


>>>		Tum Gunnahgar Ho	   ..... by   Haaris Khaleeq
>>>
>>>
>>>	..............
>>>	..............
>>>
>>>	Tum nay chaha keh rungoN kay nusloN kay but
>>>	yeh illaqooN kay but, yeh qabeeloN lay but
>>>	muslekoN kay puraney nuzzer'yoN kay but
>>>	yeh rasoom o riwaj aur tareeqoN kay but
>>>	aur sub say baRRa but, yeh daulat ka but
>>>	tum nay chaha keh tum sarey but toRR do
>>>
>>>		tum nay chaha ghulat, tum nay socha ghulat
>>>		tum gunnah'gar ho
>>>
>>>	..............
>>>	..............
>>>

.....need one say more.......thanks Amar.......
.....let the music (aashyr) play on............


ADIL [mairi pehchaan, mairi aan, maira maan, Pakistan......] NAJAM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Re: Hum to hain perdes main
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:15:01 GMT

zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer) writes:

>>from someone who would be missing the following:
>>+ Kubsoorat larkiyan (in eid dressing).
>>+ trying persuade anyone who is unwilling to "Gale milna"
>>  for any reason, what so ever, to do it with this sher
>>   
>>    "EID KA DIN, GALE HUM SE MIL LE ZALIM
>>        RASM-E-DUNYA BIHI HEI, MAUKA BE HEI, DASTOOR BHI"
>
> It would have been great if the above posting could have been ended with
> the following sher:-)
>
> Aata hay yad mugh ko guzra huwa zamana
> woh moti moti chapleyn aur Jaamatioon sey mar khana



HER EK BATT PEH KEHTAY HO TUM KEH, "TU KIYA HEI",
TUMHE KAAHO KEY YEH ANDAZ-E-GUFTAGO KIYA HEI?

aur erz kiya hei...

JALAA HEI JISIM JEHAN, DIL BHE JAL GIYA HOGA!
KURAD-TE HO JO ABB RAKH, JUS-TAJOO KIYA HEI?


Amer 
   [HUM BOLEY GA, TAU BOLO GAI KEH BOLTA HEI]
                                          Qureshi.
From: v5086u6r@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Naveed S Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Re baser instincts
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:54:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.175844.5087@julian.uwo.ca>, raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes...
> 
>BTW even your close friends would not believe the story of yours, not to 
>mention your Dad!!!:-)
> 
Well I should never have told him. I mean comeon! I was 17 years old and this
was something so real so strange so good :) I still hate myself for being so
honest. I could have made about 1400 hundred RS considering the market 
value. 1400 Rs!! when my allowance was next to nothing after I paid for my
college books etc. And to my utter disappoinment, the 'unclean' tapes were
erased. Some lame home videos of my brothers wedding were taped over em. :)
As for the Sidney Poitier(sp) movie, I watched it about a zillion times.

Naveed
>S.R.Raza.
From: nadeem@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Nadeem Hussain)
Subject: Re: Nadeem ka Khat Khan kay javab mein
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:07:59 GMT

raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>Cook just 'masoor' or 'moong' kee dal, they takes short time!:-) as far as 
>channay kee dal is concerned wait till you go home or visit some family
>here!:-):-)

>Have happy cooking!:-)

>S.R.Raza.
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: University of Texas at Austin
Keywords: TIP
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:48:10 GMT
Followup-To: NONE
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado School of Mines



Dear Pakistani brothers at university of texas at austin


Assalam allaykum,


   I want to know about my friend  Mr. Shahid Aziz-ul-haq. He got the scholorship from govt of pakistan and probably studying in the department of petroleum 
engineering university of texas at austin. He joined this university
recently. Please if you know about him. Tell me immedeately or if he reads
this news please contact me on this network.



your friend.            Ibrahim Mustafa
                        
			your companion in cns hostels
			romm no 315
			energy technology.	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Have you driven a Floyd,lately?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:34:18 GMT

msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sajid Saeed (Floyd? Nah!!!)) writes:

>Interesting discussion we havin' at Pink Floyd's expense! Anyone else care to
>join, or is it just me and...

>				sajid [Sniper at the gates of Pasadena!] Saeed


assalam alikum

No i haven`t since i know that it actually means F(l)ix Ol(y) Repail Daily/
Monthly/Yearly.

I can't understand why Pink Floyd, why not Aziz Mian???

khuda hafiz.

all standard disclaimers apply.

Murad[Ghalib'e'Waqt]Mirza. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re Sher aur Ahmek
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:25:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: "Sher Aur Ahmak", comments wanted


	 >I have just gone through the article on Akhtar Hameed Khan and his
>nursery rhyme "Ahmak aur Sher". Personally I think it is very sad that we are
>treating a eminent humanitarian like this. I might bebiased as I have met him
>once, but i would like to hear what my fellow netters think about this issue.
>Do you think he is a victim of the muslim clergy, how far is the intrepetation
>of the rhyme correct. To me it makes no sense, if it does to anyone I would
>like to hear about it. As far as the section 295c is concerned, I think that it
>should be more explicit in nature and should not try to cover the whole sphere
>of Islam.

Whereas Salman Rushdie clearly names the prophets' wives before he associates
derogatory names to them, the basis of the objection that the right wing
politician made is upto his interpretation. One should be questioning his
intentions and logic when he concludes that the lion is Ali and Ahmek, well
you get the picture I hope. I am ashamed to associate the word with the
prohet's name. So my opinion is: why don't we hang the politician who went
public with his interpretation of the poem.

	>Please be reasonable in your remarks. I am not trying to invoke any
>flames. I would definately like to hear what the educated future of our country
>thinks about such prehistoric laws.                                         

                        		>Saqib Mausoof
>A woman is a woman
>but a good cigar is a smoke.
			
>* A woman is a w 


If you take my advice, get rid of the signature so that the remarks you
get are reasonable. I'll be interested to know what others think about this
issue as well. The issue about the poem not the signature, that is.



Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr10.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: yet another test...
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:21:14 GMT

would somebody please stop these tests.......

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: se249200@seas.gwu.edu (adeel a. siddiqui)
Subject: Re: Please answer Mr.Noor (M.G.A.Q's beliefs about Khatam-e-Nabuwwat)
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:47:42 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 05:53:28 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
 <92103.21150332JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
 <1992Apr13.135140.28004@sarah.albany.edu>

Salam Alaikum :    Purdah and muslim women

         Ms. Yasmin says that she wrote the translation from some other book, i
t could be possible but even a lay man can find out from the verses of Holy Qur
an that whether muslim women were addresses or not.  I am writing the verse aga
in (very simple Arabic). 'Qul ya Aiyoohan Nabio le azwajika, wabanatika, wa nis
al momineena yudneena alaihinna min jalabibehinna....'  The word wa nisa al mo
mineena means muslim women.  I cannot challenge Ms yasmin for her integrity but
it is surprising that how Maula Maudoodi skip this ?  On the basis of this
word hundreds of books and tafseers were written on paradah for the last 14 hud
red years and he himself wrote the books 'pardah' and details in 'tafhimul Qura
n'.  The deletion of this word means the changing of the word of Allah which
categorically invalidate all the hadiths and Quranic Philosopy of a special
muslim society.  I repeat again that I do not challenge the honesty and integri
ty of Ms. Yasmin.  An ordinary man who knows a little Arabic or urdu may find t
he meaning of the word 'wa nisa al-momineena'.  As the word is there and it cau
sed serious misunderstanding for our sisters, now by realizing the fact, I thin
k they will seriously consider to adopt 'paradah' and avoid co-environment.
salam alaikum.
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: I am innocent
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:22:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
>Subject: Re: Thanks God
>
>Dear Arshad Hussain,

>What   ever   your  belief  is,  I  am  not concerned  with  it  but 
>please do not quote the quranic  verses incorrectly.  The verse
>which you have quoted is not  complete.  There is no point in
>leaving one or any part of it. If you want to use quranic verses
>in your discussion then use it  with its originality.  Your mutilation
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is  definitly changing  the meaning of it and its  context.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Zaalik Al-Kitaab o Hudal-lil- Muttaqeen
.                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
.                                        La  Raai  Ba  Feeh 
>(This Book(Quran) is guide for God Fearing people)

Dear SOHBAN SHAHID

I wrote the missing portion in a letter wchich I posted approximately
3 MIN. after I had posted the first one( when I did the mistake).


I am very hurt that you overlooked my  letter and accused me of
this 'mutilation'  for this unintentional mistake.
I am innocent and I have nothing to apologise.

Please be careful before you pass judgement.
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