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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: shipping beer
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:21:21 GMT
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Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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In article <01050166.g5mkos@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us> joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us writes:
>Homebrew isn't taxed.  It can't be sold, so it's hard to subject it
>to an excise or sales tax.  In a socially advanced state like NJ,
>though, I wouldn't be surprised to find that they're working on
>the appropriate legislation.

   Hmmmm, I thought New Jersey was one of those states that
still had laws on the books prohibiting homebrewing.  Or maybe
I'm thinking of Connecticut, or Delaware... I get all those
little northeastern states mixed up. :-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Homebrewer
Brown University, Providence RI
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gfl@hera.uucp (22402-lenahan)
Subject: Re: american beer
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:26:56 GMT
Summary: Killians = Coors

> Killian's Red (Bottled by Coors but you wouldn't know it)

Oh, some of us would.  Its light and salty, no serious
maltiness (despite its colour), and kinda "poppy".
Yep, its Coors alright.

Sorry, but I can't see it in the company you gave it....

Grant


Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: OLD NICK!
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:35:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.145551.25232@shearson.com>
 scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:

>o.k. i tried last friday for lunch ... 
>i wasnt thrilled ... cool bottle yes .. decent taste yes... but it was far 
>to heavy for me and i like a heavy beer .. i think that barley wine style 
>isnt for me ... i tried to appreciate it .. i discerned the different 
>texture and flavor it had compared o what i have had .. but i couldnt enjoy 
>it enogh.. i feel its a beer to be drunk after u have had a few ... like a 
>six pack.. of another brand.. but uit appears that many people swear by 
>this beer .. so what did i miss that u people enjoy ?
>--->Steve C. 

Well, I suspect you missed the whole point by having some for lunch.  IMHO, 
a barley wine *might* go with a good rich dessert, but in general is for 
sipping warm on a cold evening, like brandy.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Miller "Special Reserve"
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:40:51 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

As I said above, I'm not impressed, either.  But it's hardly difficult to make
an all barley beer so light, you just use light barley (and very little of it).
 As for the hoppiness minus the aroma, they probably only use bittering hops
and don't bother "finishing" it.

Mike Wilson
brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Youngs RamRod
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:19:00 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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Summary: "It's the hops."

In article <1992Oct8.132116.7658@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>...last year i met a guy from england and i told him... i was interested
>in some of the off the beaten trail brew of england .. he bought me 2
>bottles of Young's RamRod Pale Ale ...it wasnt bad .. but it had a
>definite taste that took getting used to .. it was probably the barley .. 
>...but it was definitely on the weak side as far as taste ... 
>if anyone has had this maybe u know what i mean ... 

   I wouldn't call Young's "off the beaten trail," since I've found it
at widely diverse locations in the US (yes, even in Rhode Island, beer
wasteland).	 If memory serves, I found it not atypical for the style,
if perhaps less hoppy than some.  Generally, ales get more of their
distinctive flavors from the yeast and hops, with hops being especially
predominant in classic pale ales, so what you may have been tasting was
hops (especially if you're accustomed to drinking the usual US megabrews).
The taste of barley malt is fairly easy to pin down-- try a bowl of
Malt-o-meal (which may actually be malted wheat, but it'll do), or drink
any fine German lager (e.g. Spaten Munich or Oktoberfest, or especially
Ayinger Maibock).

(I'm ducking behind my workstation even now, waiting for an equally
opinionated beer-lover to take issue with my assertion about ales,
hops, and yeast. :-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Pete's Wicked Ale
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:35:55 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct15.124322.12562@samba.oit.unc.edu> WTP.ADMIN@MHS.UNC.EDU (Bill Pitts) writes:
>I bought a bottle of Pete's (my first) for a friend recently. From memory,
>the label said that Pete's brewery was in Palo Alto but that the beer was
>made in St. Paul (under contract).

Their office is in Palo Alto.  It is brewed by August Schell in New Ulm, MN.
And it's CHEAP here!

>
>Bill

-Rick
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom)
Subject: Re: beer DRINKING
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:51:37 GMT

In article <oer3KmO00awAAO7FYK@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Joseph Gordon <sg4e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What's the difference between bud and piss anyway?
>
>	Steve Gordon
>	sg4e@andrew.cmu.edu

Easy...nobody looks forward to the Budbowl at halftime.

-dave

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From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: 220+ Beers
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:07:30 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
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In article <1992Oct16.024857.8781@news.ysu.edu>, ac374@yfn.ysu.edu
(Stanley Kaminski) writes:
|> In a previous article, agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) says:
|> 
|> >A local Bar here at OSU has over 220 beers. If you try every kind within a
|> >year, you get a big pewter stein with your name on it, placed over the bar. Now
|> >*THAT'S* a trophy!
|> 
|> A beer stein for tossing back *ONLY* 220 beers in 365 days? What kind
|> of trophies do they have for *THIRSTY* people?  *B^)
|> 

I think this is very common among bars featuring a sizeable selection
of beers.  There is a Tai restaurant in Des Moines, IA with something
like 200 beers, and they have a similar program.

A place my brother took me to in Ann Arbor, MI, was a standard bar with
some large number of beers, and had a variety of prizes/trophies depending
on how many beers you finished in a year... as you hinted at.

If you completed one circuit of beers in a year (probably 200), you got
a hat, 250 - a plaque in the bar, 300 - a jacket, 400 (two circuits) -
a named bar stool or something in the bar... the quantity and prizes are
probably all wrong, but you get the idea.

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From: kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Questions about Minnesota Brewing Company
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:32:27 GMT

In article <1bhp2nINNcn9@ub.d.umn.edu> serickso@ub.d.umn.edu writes:
>Hello:
>
>   I was wondering if anyone knows a little history about the Minnesota
>Brewing Company.  I am wondering who owns it, what brewing plants do they
>use, etc.
>   All I know right now is that they brew Pig's Eye, Pig's Eye Lean,
>McMahon's Genuine Irish Potato Ale, Landmark, Landmark Light, and Grain
>Belt Premium.  Do they brew any other beers?  
>  Your information will be appreciated.  Thank you.

A group of investors bought the old Schmidt brewery when Schmidt pulled out.
Shortly after it was bought Minnesota Brewing held a public contest to name
their beer.  There were several good ones including Landmark and Pig's Eye.
They chose Landmark for their "top-line" beer.  After finding out how
disappointed many people were with the choice they started producing Pig's
Eye Pilsner, which of course, is now outselling Landmark mostly because of
the name.  For cheap beers they're not bad.  Locally you can get a 12 of
Pig's Eye for $4.50 or Landmark for $5.00.  I have not tried the potato(e)
ale or Grain Belt.  I didn't even know Grain Belt was brewed there!
Minnesota Brewing is definitely not microbrewery nor do they produce any 
outstanding beers.  For that you might try Summit Pale Ale or a fine
James Paige lager -- the two good microbrews from Minnesota.

-Rick

>-- 
>
>I have sold all of my dreams and I am too morally bankrupt to buy them back.
>
>serickso@ub.d.umn.edu                                         Scott Erickson


Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scl7375@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: bud
Reply-To: scl7375@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:37:28 GMT

I agree fully.
			Liddle
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: MOST expensive beer
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:44:24 GMT

In article 2797@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu () writes:
> 
> 
> I bought a bottle or two of kriek lambic for about $5 each.  it was worth
> it though.
> 
> Life is too short to drink bad beer!
> 
> Todd Lane
> 
> 


thats why u have to drink all the good beer why u still can ... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Yule Brew
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:58:07 GMT
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: robl@macro


In article <5423@balrog.ctron.com>, norton@ctron.com (Dave Norton) writes:
|> In article <2132@grivel.une.edu.au> sgreen@neumann.une.edu.au (Stephen Green) writes:
|> >Article taken from a state rag:
|> >
|> > As light beers gain in popularity in Australia,
|> >a British brewer called Firkin plans to release the
|> >world's strongest beer in time for Christmas. With an
|> >alcohol content of more than 17 per cent, it'll be four
|> 
|> Guess they never heard of Urbocks 17 or Urbocks 23?

   Those numbers almost certainly refer to original gravity, i.e. of
17 and 23 degrees Plato. A beer of 17% alcohol would indeed be the 
strongest in the world. 

   As has been noted elsewhere, the strongest regularly produced beers
are Switzerland's Samichlaus (around 14%, original gravity 27.5 degrees) 
and Germany's Kulminator 28 (around 13.5%, original gravity 28 degrees). 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: COWAN@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Paul L. Cowan)
Subject: Re: MOST expensive beer
Organization: Pacific-Plate Residents (Motto: 54-40 or Bust!)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:18:42 GMT
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In <Bw4x8I.K2C@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu writes:

:   With the least expensive thread, I just thought I would try to find out
:  what the most expensive beer you have ever bought or considered buying
:  was and how much it was?
:  Edwin Sharp
:  esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu
:  

I think the most I paid for beer per ounce, AND THOUGHT I GOT MY MONEY'S WORTH,
was (is) Thomas Hardy. As I recall the bottles hold about 8 oz and cost
about $3.50. Michael Jackson says it tastes really good after it ages several
years, but I haven't stocked up with enough to leave it age that long.

I can get Chimay Grand Reserve for around $5 for a 75cl (24 oz.) bottle.
I am content 8^).

- Paul

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From: ASB113@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Miami
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:11:23 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Even though we lost this weekend, we must keep in mind that we, PENN STATE, can
 still party better than any other university in the world!!  We have outrageou
s keg parties that are second to none!!  When we play BC this weekend, get as l
oud as you want, drink as much as you want, and do whatever else you want to do
(smoke--cigs and "pot") because we must celebrate what a terrific football team
 and program we have. JOEPA is the best!!  Let's hope that next year we will be
 higher than third-best when we start our BIG TEN schedule which includes MICH-
E-GON as the Cajun man on Sat. Night Live would say.  LET'S GO STATE...LET'S GO
 STATE.....WE ARE-------PENN STATE, WE ARE------PENN STATE!!  LET'S NOT FORGET
THIS. OK?
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From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Subject: What's special about an Oktoberfest beer?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:29:30 GMT

Tonight I ran across Spaten Oktoberfest on tap at a local tavern, and gave it
a shot. Not bad. Nothing really SPECIAL about it, but a nice beer.

It occurred to me that I didn't know what made an Oktoberfest beer special,
as opposed to a regular year-round brew.

Is the distinction only that they are from the batch(es) brewed for Oktoberfest,
or is there something else (ingredients, brewing method, etc.) that makes it
an "Oktoberfest" beer?

I didn't get a chance to do a side-by-side comparison between the Spaten and,
say, Sam Adams Oktoberfest, so I can't really say if they were really similar
(sorry, only had the Sam Adams stuff once, my memory isn't THAT good!) or not.

What's the scoop?

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From: mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (Marlon McDuck)
Subject: Re: Vote for Perot
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:57:32 GMT


Well if Perot raised the gasoline tax as he says he would, that would in all
fairness apply to Budweiser too, considering its flavor...


marlon


VOTE FOR CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Lager/Pale Ale in Iowa?
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:40:36 GMT

look for a beer distributer in the area ... living in brooklyn , there are many ... 
they usually carry all sorts of great little unheard of imports ...
in manhattan we went to a Food Emporium and found a beer call Hand beer .. it had a hand on the label ... i didnt drink it we gave it to someone else .... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Youngs RamRod
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:28:27 GMT

Actually, I picked up some Old Nick yesterday for the first time in
about a year and was surprised at just how smooth it was and even how
it reminded me of Sammiclaus (?!?!). So, while I still say they are
very different styles, I can see how they can be considered somewhat
similar in taste. (I may have had some bad Nick last time, as I
remember it being rather harsh compared to Sammiclaus, which I think
is pretty smooth for such a strong brew).
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: OLD NICK!
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.202145.19761@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
>
>  Ug!  I used to bet people that they could not chug a bottle without
>doing the technicolor yawn afterwards. I never lost.

Why you ever want to chug any barley wine? For that matter, why would
you ever want to chug any beer? Good beer is to be enjoyed. If you
want to get drunk, beer isn't very cost effective and imports are
less so. 
  
>  Seriously though, I think that this is a really nasty beer. If you
>want a dark beer with great taste buy Guinness.

Totally different styles. Totally different beers. Guinness is great,
but you're comparing a stout to a barley wine. Old Nick is a high alcohol
ale with a taste distinctive to all Young's ales. It should be sipped and 
not chugged, gulped or pounded. It's a good after dinner or late night
beer and certainly not a session beer.
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From: COWAN@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Paul L. Cowan)
Subject: Ballentines IPA (was best beer under $6)
Organization: CALIFORNIANS ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:47:00 GMT
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In <1992Oct9.150832.3714@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:

:  
:  You are so right!! Ballantine India Pale Ale is *wonderful*!  Too bad they 
:  raised the price 40% in the past six months.  Here in Columbus, at least, it is
:  about $6.50/six;  last New Year's it was only $4.79!  But if you've never had 
:  it, it is well worth trying.  BTW I bought Moerlein on sale for $3.99 last 
:  night.  Their bock beer will be out this winter.  Last time it came only in 25 
:  oz cans but was fantastic.  (Years ago it came in bottles)  I can hardly wait!

I bought Ballantine IPA for $3.99/6 last summer on Long Island (not counting
deposit). It's definitly one of my favorite US beers. It has a good strong
sharp taste when it's bought fresh, but I have noticed that if I cellar a 
case for 6-months to a year it mellows wonderfully (and develops a hell of a
kick). It is obviously live, and those little yeasties are in there working
their hearts out. I read once that the original idea of "India pale ale" was 
to brew it in England so that it would age on the sailing ships that took it
to the "pommie" troops in India. I think that Ballantine does this rather well.
The problem is that I like it so well fresh, I have to hide some from myself
If I want to taste the aged stuff from time to time.

Cheers,
- Paul

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From: Knights@who.say.ne.ne (Capt'n America that's who)
Subject: test*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*
Organization: Monty Python Players
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:42:01 GMT

mmmmeeeeesssssaaaaaggggeeee....test
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From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: Canadian Octoberfest...
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:38:07 GMT

In article <Bvu6pL.9K2@acsu.buffalo.edu> trimm@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey M. Trimm) writes:
>I go to school in Buffalo, NY (USA) and have heard that there is a very
>large Octoberfest celebration in Canada relatively near to Buffalo.  Can
>anybody please supply details on it?

You're referring to the Kitchener-Waterloo Oktoberfest, a weeklong
beer bash, starting on the Canadian Thanksgiving weekend (just
passed), and runs until next weekend.  They report it as the
largest Bavarian Beer Festival outside of the Munich Oktobefest.

I suppose it's ok if you're young and single and don't care what
they serve you at $5 or so per bottle.  It's largely frequented by
tourists.   I don't know if I'm a typical KW resident, but some
of us simply enjoy our Guinness at home (you can't likely get it
or anything close in a beer tent).  Next week the beer store should
have Conners Imperial Stout, so I'll pass on the Bud light tonight.

Hundreds of thousands of people disagree, paying their money for
the privilege of swilling the Canadian equivalent of budmilloors
prompted by oompah bands and the proverbial singing of Ein Prosit
in pidgin German.  Of course, they're not there to taste beer,
only to drink lots of whatever shows up in the pitcher.

While hardly a connoisseurs paradise, it sure is good for the
economy.  We just stay off the roads for the week.  1/2 :-)

If you do come up, check out (if you can) the Brick Brewery
(open Sunday for sales!), the Old Heidelberg (brew pub), and
several newer ones I've heard good rumours about.  Good bars
may also have some of the better British ales on tap these
days; sometimes you get lucky.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:03:49 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
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