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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2807

                            Monday, July 20, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Blink Talk Digest # 654

                              RE: ACB/NFB FEUD
                        Discover versus discover 386.
                                Amiga Vs Ibm
                            Nfb Bbs Censorship??
                           Speaking Of Radio Shack
                              Re: Acb/Nfb Feud
                         Re: SPEAKING OF RADIO SHACK
                                Books On Tape
                          nfb bbs censorship?? You
                                Oldtime Radio


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Subject: RE: ACB/NFB FEUD
From: Isaac.Obie@f165.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Isaac Obie)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/165 - Starbase: Boston, Boston MA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

So Jernigan is a demigogue? well only if you allow him to be. So
just keep in mind that these people are only what people perceive
them to be.

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Subject: Discover versus discover 386.
From: Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Hill)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/4115.233 - Southern Crossroads, Grapevine TX


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

A few months ago I heard about the discover 386 software.  I'm now
running a 386-40 and am wondering if this software would increase
my scanning speed any.  I currently use discover with a model 30
scanner.  I believe this is the Ricoh scanner.  Does discover 386
support it, I realize I'd probably have to buy a new adapter card,
but if it would be faster scanning, I could get used to it.  Also,
has the discover 386 software had any improvements in scanning
(more accuracy, etc).

Later..
 Chris

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Subject: Amiga Vs Ibm
From: Chris.Bazzie@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Bazzie)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:277/101 - House Of Pancakes, Morgantown WV


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

MF>retyping them to the synthesizer.  The program of which I wrote allows
MF>the Amega to have this screen-review capability.

I would think that multitasking would make the job of writing screen
reading software alot easier.  YOu could have a task monitor another
tasks Screen IO, keep track of it, and speak it, without having to
interfere with the primary task at all.  (I assume that speach software
usaully patches itself into the main program somehow, and I'd think
that that would cause problems.

MF>Again, thanks for writing.  Oh yes, the guy to whom I wrote is on the
MF>Internet.

I've been trying to find a place to hook up to the Internet, or usenet,
but I haven't found out anything yet...

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Subject: Nfb Bbs Censorship??
From: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Richards)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:277/101 - House Of Pancakes, Morgantown WV


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Tandy, perhaps the issue of whether Kenneth Jernigan is saint or
sinner is largely irrelevant.  Maybe the question is whether *anyone*
should hold the reins of power for such a long time.  There's a famous
old saying that opines, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts
absolutely."  Be that as it may, it seems to me that new ideas come
fastest whenever new people assume power, and that isn't happening much
in NFB.  To be sure, they're fighting for a dream, and it may be a
worthwhile dream, but whose dream is it?  There's another old quote,
"The sins of the fathers are visited upon the children."  I wonder; is
that true of dreams, too?

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Subject: Speaking Of Radio Shack
From: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Bauer)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:291/7 - Union Station, Wichita KS


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

A refreshable braille display watch.  HMMMM.  Probably would have
to be big enough you could also use it as a weapon in case you get
mugged. <grin>.

Steve

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Subject: Re: Acb/Nfb Feud
From: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3800/6 - CompuChurch (tm) IH, Baton Rouge LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

You ask about the differences between the two groups. I'll answer as
best as I can but you must understand that my perspective is purely a
personal one. I've read the NFB's BRAILLE MONITOR ever since the early
70's and sporadically read the ACB's BRAILLE FORUM from time to time
I've held nominal memberships in local affiliates of both groups at
various times but until recently did not become truly active in either.
I've never held an office in either consumer group so I cannot speak
first hand about the internal workings of the two.

In Louisiana there are four groups of blind persons.

(1) The unaffiliated is the largest group; the majority of the blind
people don't belong to any group. Too many of these have said "a plague
on all your houses" and simply are not active.

(2) There is the Affiliated Blind of Louisiana. The leader of the group
was at one time the NFB state president. I can't say too much about this
group for I have never attended any of its organizational meetings. ABL
has raised a considerable amount of BINGO money, bought an old convent,
and is starting its own rehabilitation center in Lafayette. It is
primarily active in Cajun Country.

(3) The Louisiana Council of the Blind is the ACB affiliate. Its
membership is older and goes all the way back to the ACB/NFB civil war
days. Again with funds generated by BINGO, the group maintains an office
in Baton Rouge which primarily devotes itself to transcription of
braille materials. (I helped train the staff and will lend a hand with
editing text or procuring disks from time to time.) I would characterize
the ACB members as more settled, less aggressive than NFB members. They
are more likely to seek and accept assistance and are not what you would
call bold travelers. Many but not all of come from classic residential
schools. They have the best and most voracious braille readers in the
state. They cope with blindness in a quieter manner and this is
certainly an option..

(4) The membership of the NFB in Louisiana has changed since the
presidency of Joanne Wilson. Many NFB members from the 50's and 60's,
the Civil War days, are gone mostly to ABL; some, but very few remain.
(There was some element of racial and organizational strife involved
here, however this has calmed down a bit with increased white and black
participation in all organizations.)

Many NFB members are persons who have lost vision and have had to regain
functioning. Increasing number of alumni of the Louisiana Center for the
Blind are aligned with NFB. Younger Louisianians if they join at all
tend to be NFB members. While the ACB has done much to promote the
availability of braille materials, the Federation has concerned itself
with additional matters. It has tried to establish a commission for the
blind and heavily influence activities at Louisiana Rehabilitation
Service. It entered the field of work for the blind with the founding of
the Louisiana Center for the Blind. It has conducted many parent/teacher
and student seminars (and it was as participant of these that I began my
active association in the organization). The Federation successfully
lobbied the legislature to fund a study of education of the blind in
this state. It has aggressively promoted mainstreaming and access
issues. It's active. It was the Federation that sparked the braille
renaissance in Louisiana. Many supporters joined it, but the substantial
push for the initial legislation came from the NFB. I've always liked
the energy in the organization.

I'm a member of the federation for several reasons. (1) Other then my
job, it's the best way I can be of service to other blind people. (When
you really get down to it, it's a busman's holiday for me.) Seriously, I
want things to be better for the next generation that comes along. (2)
It matches my style more than the other groups do. I grew up in the
tubulent 60's and I'm still somewhat rebellious. At work, more often
than not, I will play the role of the devil's advocate and admittedly
will try to see if the system can "rock and roll" in order to shape the
system to my and my students' needs rather than being molded and shaped
by someone else's bureaucratic inertia. What I don't get today, I'll get
tomorrow.

I hope this helps to give you some perspective at least from this part
of the country. Walter, please feel free to correct any mistakes I've
made about the other groups.

Understand, it's just one man's opinion..
Warren

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Subject: Re: SPEAKING OF RADIO SHACK
From: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Alfaro)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DS> I've never seen Radio Shack's talking watch, but I've heard
 DS> about it.  Is the voice as loud or any louder than their old
 DS> one?  I have their old one and the main thing I like is the
 DS> speech.  It isn't too loud and it doesn't beep or ding before
 DS> it gives the time like most others do except for on the hour
 DS> and I don't mind that.  I just don't want everybody in church
 DS> hearing me checking to see what time it is.                Donna

Donna,

The new model has a British accent and the voice is a little softer!  It
also seems to be somewhat sturdier and even easier to set its functions
than the old one.  The new models are made by cassio from what I
understand.  The shape is basically the same but with smoother  and more
rounded edges.  It is also $10 more at $49.95 as I recall, but it is
definately a better watch and the easiest to use talking wrist watch I
have owned to date...
Regards,
Rick

... Silver Xpress!.........  Don't leave home without it!

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Subject: Books On Tape
From: Debbie.Hazelton@f66.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Debbie Hazelton)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/66 - Hi Notes, Deerfield Beach FL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 PS> Hi Debbie,

 PS> Regarding your books.  Can you make them available on disk? can you give
 PS> me an address to send you a disk?

 PS> Peter S.

Hi Peter,

No, I can't make them available on disk.  Copywright agreement only
allows for tape at this time.

I also just learned yesterday that the second book, "Solving The
Self-esteem Puzzle is being recorded for NLS.

Sorry I can't do the disk format at this time.

Deb

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Subject: nfb bbs censorship?? You
From: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Petraccaro)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2610/12 - Post Road Inn, Greensburg PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

...
 MF> sensorship.  Let me get at the question by proposing the following
 MF> analogy:  In February and March of this year, Dr. James Bliss, President
 MF> of Telesensory, sent to members of AER letters openly attacking Blazie
 MF> Engineering's Braille 'N Speak and making many fallacious claims as to
 MF> the ability of Telesensory's competitor product, the Braillemate, to
 MF> promote Braille literacy.  Mr. Bliss did this, by the way, thru the use
 MF> of an AER membership list which he or Telesensory purchased.  The
 MF> February letter contained financial inaccuracies in the calculation of
 MF> the cost of a Braille 'N Speak 640 with peripherals versus the cost of a
 MF> Braillemate.  In addition, the *true* cost of a Braillemate (including
 MF> the special memory cards it requires for external storage of data if the
 MF> data is not transferred to a computer) was not stated.  Many protested.
 MF> They included NFB members, ACB members and the "nonalligned".
 MF> My purpose in relating this incident is not to rehash it but to pose the
 MF> following question:  should Braille Inn Speak Out, the BBS operated by
 MF> Blazie Engineering and whose SysOp is Brain Blazie, carry these letters?
 MF> I doubt that many would say "yes".  However, your logic in charging the

Let's se.  You're asking whether it's good business for Blazie to
carry on it's board information that a compeditor worries so much
about one of it's products that it will lie to knock it?  Then, you
further give them the edge by saying that they can prove that the
other guys did this? Damn right, it's good business to carry both
letters.  "We at Honda want to thank the people at Toyota for
worrying about us so much that they've said the following...here's
what they got wrong."  If you don't believe us that they did say it
and did get this basic stuff wrong,looky here."  That's great
business sense and draws more customers while cutting up the
competition with each reading of the two articles.  Ah, I love the
smell of coffee in the morning.  Now, Mike, bear in mind that I'm
not even talking about censorship, just business acumen.

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Subject: Oldtime Radio
From: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Petraccaro)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2610/12 - Post Road Inn, Greensburg PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Adventures In Cassettes
Tel: (800)-328-0108

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