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From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:33:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

Then again, sometimes the blame goes the other way.  A couple of weeks ago,
I set out from a harbor on Clear Lake to do some morning fishing.
To get from the harbor to the open water, I had to pass through a channel
about 50 feet wide by 100 feet long.  Partway through, I saw a fishing line
angling from the bluff on the left, into the water right in front of the boat.
There was no time to stop or dodge (and nowhere to dodge to), so I turned off
the engine with the boat going over the line.  The lower unit picked up the
line, and line began screaming off the unattended reel.   I raised the prop
and cleared the line, which had not wrapped around the prop.  I consider
it irresponsible to leave an unattended line in the boat channel like
that.

As for the obligatory fishing report:  I caught one largemouth that day,
which was almost as big as the Rattle Trap he hit.  I had bigger one smash a
Texas-rigged worm, but I pulled it out of his mouth.  I guess I need to go
out with only rubber worms, and practice giving the fish some time to get
the whole thing in his mouth.

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 11:23:50 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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Subject: RE: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
From: pro016
In article <117775@muvms3.bitnet> , pro016@muvms3.bitnet writes:
>  I HOPE NO ONE WILL TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, WE ARE ALL FISHERMAN ON
THIS
>
>NETWORK, RIGHT? OK, I FISH FOR ALL SPECIES OF FISH WITH ALL TYPES OF
RODS...

I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
SKI's.  At least Bass Boater's are fisherpersons and respect other
persons fishing territory when passing through unlike the Skier's.
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
Xref: sparky rec.outdoors.fishing:471 ne.general:2377
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,ne.general
Subject: Re: WANTED: cheap camp grounds
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:32:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Aug29.024521.29911@cs.umb.edu> mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau) writes:

>I was just given a vacation from now until September 7, the school ran
>out of money to pay me so they call it vacation time!!

Hey Mike,
  You said you wanted the week off to take your kids to the doctors!
We can pay you...see you 9 am Monday!

Thanks,   Your Boss (who reads NetNews)

PS Seriously, things here are bad enough without posts that make them
seem worse than they are.

PPS the follow-to line is screwed up, you might want to repost. This
is my *fourth* attempt to post a reply
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:49:36 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating

>In article <1992Aug20.130700.9356@uvm.edu> jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP
(John 
>Connors) writes:
>>
 As best as I can remember when I last fished for
>perch was that we fished minnows just off the bottom of a small lake in
>Northern Minnesota, with excellent results.  How would my approach differ
>this time around?

	In Lake Michigan, off the piers on the *Michigan* coastline, minnows
work as you have described as do using Mayfly Larvae (wigglers) and
shrimp.  Do fish near the bottom as perch are bottom-dwelling fish. 
Suggest using ultra light tackle if available with 4 pound test line
maximum. 
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
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From: KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke)
Subject: re: Palmered hackle?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:20:04 GMT

I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel 
to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as 
apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.

                 -Ken
As always, my employer does not necessarily endorse, and may disagree 
with, my opinions.
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From: roy@proteus.b11.ingr.com (Roy Passmore)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:47:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.141734.9788@ncsu.edu>, plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
|> In article <920821072902@joker.ftp.com>, rodin@vax.ftp.com  (Jon Rodin) writes:
|> |> 

|> |> Redear Sunfish (Lepomis microlophus)
|> |> To 14", 4-1/2 lbs.
|> |> 
|> 
|> 1) I sure thought the world record shellcraker (redear sunfish) was 
|>    much larger than mentioned above.
|> 
    A record book that I've got at home shows this to be the world record.
    From what I remember it was caught in 1951? at lake Ketona in Alabama.
    I'll check the record book tonight and if there's any difference I'll
    repost. A local Bait and Tackle shop, (Busters) has this fish on display.
    Picture if you would, the largest dinner plate that you have in your kitchen
    and that's how large this fish is.  Newcomers just stare at it. 

-- 

 Roy Passmore                   
 Hunstville, Alabama

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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re: dream interpretation
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:31:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

>The other night I had a dream that I caught a 3# trout but when
>I held it up to show to somebody eating dinner at the lakeside
>cafe it was only a 6 inch Crappie.
>
>Can somebody please interpret this dream before the next time I
>go fishing?

    This is a clear subconscious manifestation of your deeply rooted
belief that a three pound trout provides the same amount of sport as
a six inch Crappie. My advise to your would be to buy an air compressor,
give your float tube a candy apple red metalflake paint job, put a 200HP
Suzuki motor on it, and go hornpout fishing. Either that or dedicate
the rest of your life to posting controversial arguments on the net,
such as;
Why a muskie would kick the crap out of a 'cuda
Bonefish can't jump
Bluefins are for wimps
DDT wasn't all that bad

hope you feel better now...

                           dr. nick
"the coffee stain on my desk looks like a sailfish to me..."
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From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Kites and Fishing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:44:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


Then again, kites are sometimes used as a fishing tool.  The Fish Sniffer
this spring had an article about using kites for ocean fishing off Baja.
They are rigged and used in a similar fashion to downriggers.  One person
mans the fishing rod, while another flies the kite to skip the baitfish
along the tops of the waves some distance from the boat.  The gamefish go
crazy over it.

-- 
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dsmith@hpl.hp.com       | quality oats, you must pay a fair price.  However, if
(415) 857-7898          | you can be satisfied with oats that have already been
                        | through the horse once, that comes more cheaply.
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From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.190212.26231@uvm.edu> jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors) writes:
>
>I took some friends out fishing two weekends ago.  One of the these 
>intrepid anglers was a 5 year old boy.  I rigged him up with a worm and
>a bobber on a Zebco outfit.  He caught the largest perch I have ever 
>seen caught in person, 12 3/4"  I thought it was a bass at first.  
>Simple techniques work best up here.  Legend has it that perch throw
>themselves on bare hooks until they impale themselves. :-)
>

   This reminds me of a story that my parents told me of when I was young:

     We (parents & grandparents) were going camping up in the Trinity area
in California and were going to do some fishing.  I was about 4 years old
and wanted to fish really bad !!! (nothing changes huh ?) Well, my mom took
me to this little mom and pop store and bought be one of those little plastic
fishing poles with a little plastic reel so I wouldn't feel left out.

     When we got to the creek, my dad put on some real line, and a hook and
baited me up with some salmon eggs and let me "play fish."  There was an old
guy there with some pretty fancy fishin' gear, and he told my dad and grandpa
that he hadn't had a bite all morning (don't they all say that ?)  Well, my
dad and grandpa were fishin' for a while and were getting pretty fed up 
themselves when I started to holler and make a fuss.  

     My dad ran over to me and noticed that I had a fish on and told me how
to reel in.  I had hooked a *nice* 9 inch rainbow.  

     The old guy came over to see what the fuss was and when he found out that
I had caught a fish on a toy plastic pole, he packed up his gear and went home
skunked.


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Crayfish Immitation
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:11:54 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.


First a comment:  If you respond to this article please remove rec.outdoors.
flytying from the newsgroups line.  The group doesn't exist and news bombs
when encountering the bogus name in the Newsgroups line.

In article <1992Aug27.005847.7285@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
|In article <1684D73D8.M23317@mwvm.mitre.org> KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke) writes:
|>Has anyone had success in tying a small crayfish immitation?  They are highly
|>successful smallmouth live bait and plastic works well.  There ought to be a
|>way to rig up a brown feather fish fooler, but I haven't managed yet.
|>                  -Ken
|
|FIELD AND STREAM Had a bunch of patterns in last months (northern) addition.
|They looked really neat.. and if anyone wants to tie a few and send them to
|me, I'll email you my home address :)

Tell you what.  If you send me a copy of the article I'll tie you a few
of the patterns.  If you're interested I'll send you a fax number or
home address.

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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: jcook@brazil.cs.colorado.edu (Jonathan Cook)
Subject: Re: fyi: Oregon's Anadromous Fishery
Organization: Universtiy of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:01:09 GMT

I'll second the vote to continue these factual postings. It's 
definitely worth the effort.

You mentioned something that I've seen in this group before, and
that's the threat of losing wild breeding populations of trout,
and the fact that we cannot rely on hatchery populations. I just
slightly followed it the last time, and never really understood
the reasoning behind the "once that population is gone, it cannot
be revived". After all, there have been succesful reintroductions
of land animal populations from captive breeding populations.

Before you flame me, I am *NOT* saying these populations should
not be a concern, I just want to know the whole reasoning behind
it so I can be as concerned about it as you guys are - which can
then lead to action (I'm generally a cynic when it comes to gov't,
so I need to be really concerned before I write letters, etc).

Please post a followup explanation instead of mailing it to me,
as I think this is important.

Jon.
From: KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke)
Subject: Re: Line protectant + Salt Water Fly Fishing
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:00:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.211223.29585@menudo.uh.edu> HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu 
(CARINI, JOHN A) writes:
> I do a lot of saltwater
> wade-fishing in the Gulf

I'm real curious about salt water fly-fishing.  I've had one try, and had 
a ball.  Where do you fish, and what do you use?

Is there anything that will catch those jumping mullet?  A fellow told me 
that they were just jumping to shake off parasites, or perhaps just for 
exercise.

                 -Ken
As always, my employer does not necessarily endorse, and may disagree 
with, my opinions.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rodin@vax.ftp.com  (Jon Rodin)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: rodin@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 07:55:48

epbjork@ravel.udel.edu (Bjorkstedt Eric P) writes:
>  I had heard that these fish we're not indigenous to the West, but had been 
>  transplanted.  This is only hearsay, mind you, and from a number of years
>  ago.  Has anyone else heard anything like this.  It seems to me that the
>  foot(hugemountains)hills of the Rockies (I'm from Pa, so the Mountains of 
>  the West are HUGE to me) would be a formidable barrier to natural colonization
>  by a speciesof pond-o-philic sunfish.  Perhaps the Guides are correct from
>  a natural history standpoint.

It's quite possible that the historic range of sunnfish doens not include the
west.  However the Audubon Field Guides state that the range:

	"is the verified range on this continent, extending
	south into South America if applicable."

Not historic.

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From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<920824090844@joker.ftp.com> <BtpMGJ.s6@news.udel.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:48:23 GMT

In article <BtpMGJ.s6@news.udel.edu> epbjork@ravel.udel.edu (Bjorkstedt Eric P) writes:

   In article <920824090844@joker.ftp.com> rodin@ftp.com writes:
   >In article <14202@auspex-gw.auspex.com> daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr) writes:
   >    Curious that the field guide doesn't list the western states
   >    as part of the range for any of these fish! We have all of them out here.
   >
   >Yeah, I wonder about this too.  I think the ranges specified in the Audubon
   >Field Guides are suspect.  I noticed that according this field guide,
   >there are no black bass (largemouth or smallmouth) in New England.  (I wonder
   >what those fish I've been catching are?)  Otherwise, the Audubon Guides are 
   >excellent guides.
   >
   >Jon

   I had heard that these fish we're not indigenous to the West, but had been 
   transplanted.  This is only hearsay, mind you, and from a number of years
   ago.  Has anyone else heard anything like this.  It seems to me that the
   foot(hugemountains)hills of the Rockies (I'm from Pa, so the Mountains of 
   the West are HUGE to me) would be a formidable barrier to natural colonization
   by a speciesof pond-o-philic sunfish.  Perhaps the Guides are correct from
   a natural history standpoint.

True.  When I took ichthyology many moons ago at the University of
Montana the Prof told us there are only seventen species of native fish
west of the continental divide.  All the rest are imports.
From: longlegs.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Joel Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:02:50 GMT
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology

In article <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org> news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) writes:
>I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel 
>to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as 
>apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.
>

This is matuka style, and is usually employed for streamers.  However, I'm
not a real expert either, since I just started tying flies this year.

Try tying flies.  It's really a lot of fun, and not very hard.  Just takes
a little patience to get started, plus it helps to have a friend show you
a few simple techniques.  

-Joel Dunn
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rauletta@sitevax.gmu.edu (R. J. Auletta)
Subject: A River Runs...(the movie)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:38:03 GMT


FYI:
Smithsonian Magazine September 1992 has an article on Robert Redford's
movie interpretation of Norman Maclean's ``A River Run's Through It''.

Rich Auletta

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From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Trout and Corn??
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:35 GMT

In article <14295@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <srh3.714839841@Ra.MsState.Edu> srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis) writes:
>|I did a little fishing in Arkansas on the White River a couple of years
>|ago and saw many nice sized trout landed with kernels of canned corn.
>
>Corn does seem to work well for trout.  I've also seen some large rainbows 
>caught on mini-marshmallows, as well as marshmallow/salmon egg combinations.
>I used to use "Zeke's floating bait" quite often.  They had corn, cheese, and
>marshmallow flavors available.  There were also a variety of colors available.
>This was pre-powerbait.
>
>-- 
>+============================================================================++
>| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
>| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
>+============================================================================++

Interestingly enough, the use of corn as bait is prohibited in some
states. I'm not sure what the reason is, but I'm guessing that it has
something to do the fact that corn kernels fall to the bottom, the
trout ingest them, and the kernels do a number on their digestive
tract. I know either Maine or Rhode Island have prohibited corn in the
past
although it may be legal now. Anyway, check the regs before using!


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From: jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU ()
Subject: Day tickets on fine english chalk streams
Originator: jmd@kastle
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:10:14 GMT


Hello,
A recent note from over there indicated that the cost of flying to
Montana to fish was equivalent or nearly equivalent to the cost of buying
a day ticket on a fine English chalk stream. This boggled my mind enough
so that it was several days before I recovered enough to ask for details.

How much does it cost to fish on an English chalk stream? 
If necessary, use scientific notation.

thanks!
-john

John Danskin			|	Catch and Release?
(609) 258-5386			|	Don't ask too much.
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|	I can't even catch yet.

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From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fish Dream Interpretation
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:12:44 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <90200008@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM> gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge) writes:
>The other night I had a dream that I caught a 3# trout but when
>I held it up to show to somebody eating dinner at the lakeside
>cafe it was only a 6 inch Crappie.
>
>Can somebody please interpret this dream before the next time I
>go fishing?
>
>g (...but the old timers reassured us that this wasn't the first time
>   that that mean ole Sturgeon had eaten somebody's 4x4.) t


    It's going to be a long, dark, cold winter (and never - NEVER - pay
more that $2.95 for a hamburger; even if it DOES come with a slice of
cheese).

--
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                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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From: skinner@cshl.org (John Skinner)
Subject: Striper fishing with rigged eels
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:47:32 GMT

Does anyone out there have any experience using rigged eels
for stripers, especially from the surf? I've done well using
unweighted live eels but have never used rigged eels.
An article in August's saltwater sportsman magazine touched
on using these but I still have questions. Are these eels freshly
killed? If not, aren't they too stiff? Can you freeze dead eels
and then rig them? Exactly how are they rigged? By rigged I'm
referring to them being rigged on tin squid heads, although
I'm always interested in hearing other eeling stories.
If anybody's had any success using eels off fish finder rigs
in the surf I'd be interested in hearing about that. Seems
to me the live ones would tangle too much.






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