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From: berra.cs.rpi.edu!cecchinr@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to my Powerlifting Sig
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:37:00 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
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In article <14450@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In article <Jul.14.12.11.05.1992.9178@remus.rutgers.edu> 
clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>>Adam, my power rack just arrived, so we could also have a *squat*
>>contest.  Oh, I forgot, working your legs is against your religion.
>>
>>That felt *so* good.  Heh.
>
>Alright, Smart Ass.  I've been working my legs now, so watch out!  I get
>strong quickly without a lot of size increases, so don't be surprised when
>I'm squating more than you in December (or maybe earlier).
>
>I've had enough of the, "I'm better than you!" crap.  I'm not just all talk.
>I'll do it.  I WILL be the squat king!  :-)  If my shoulder holds up, I'll
>also be out benching you again.  Ha!  All at 162 pounds of pure semi-rock 
hard
>muscle.  I'll even have abs in a couple of months at the rate I'm going.
>
>       -Adam
>
>-- 
>     **********************************************************************
>     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>     **********************************************************************

Will you 2 girly-men give it a rest!

We all know I could kick both your asses!

Ron
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:16:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul27.154240.5412@nrao.edu> lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>
>Shrugs are for your trapezoids..
>
>/lex

I thought trapezoids were geometrical shapes.  I guess you meant trapezius. 
:-)

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
     **********************************************************************
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From: dbritton@thalia.ICS.UCI.EDU ("David R. Britton Jr.")
Subject: BACKSWING, ALL ALUMINUM, FOR SALE (REDUCED PRICE!)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,misc.forsale
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:32:50 GMT

$75/offer.  Original cost over three hundred dollars.  In case
you don't know what a backswing is, it's a contraption that
allows you to hang upside-down.  You first lock your ankles
into it, then lean backwards until you're fully inverted.

e-mail or call (714) 856-0605.
Irvine, CA
From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:55:07 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Most people say women "perspire", well I SWEAT!  = )  My husband won't
come near me after my workout.  He barely sweats when working out.
And I walk away soaking wet from head-to-toe.  YUCK!  = )

Jennifer Brown
From: oasys.dt.navy.mil!peizer@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: PAIN doing arm curls??
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:58:00 GMT
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD
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In misc.fitness, wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>ochs@cae.wisc.edu (Stefan Ochs) writes:
>
>>Sorry for reposting this question. I hope somebody can give me
>>some advice on what I am doing wrong. After doing arm curls
>>('preacher curls') my lower arms start to hurt - I mean hurt not
>>just  an exhausted muscle. I would like to know if anybody else has
>>(or had) the same problem and what I can do to prevent it.
>
>
>I had this problem a couple of years ago, and solved it by lifting
>the bar from the rack and placing it back on the rack *** very
>gently ***.  Furthermore, once I've placed it back on the rack,
>I retract my arms from it very gently and slowly.  This minimizes
>the chance of tearing forearm muscles.
>
This sounds like good advise.  I have also had this problem a couple of 
times.
I always expected it had to do with the tendens.  After I felt the pain I 
would
be very careful with my workouts, taking each arm exercise and go through the
motion very slow to find out which movement caused pain.  Then avoid those
exercises for a month or so.  I always found other movements which would work
the same muscle group, but not aggravate that tenden.  Also, as was suggested
above - to release the weight slowly.  

Pay attention to what your body is telling you, and don't do it if you are
feeling real pain (I don't mean strain).

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From: brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:02:09 GMT

lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>Correct if I'm wrong, but...
>I learned that upright rows are a back exericise. When doing them with a

     Some people do them when they work shoulders and some do them when
they work their back.  Either way is perfectly acceptable.  Upright rows
can be defined as a back or shoulder exercise depending on your
definition.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:05:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul31.090554.3665
Organization: Western Washington University

silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>You can buy ephedrine at your local pharmacy; it's probably a lot
>>cheaper than any such brand name as "Dymetadrine".  I might be a bit
>>concerned by its effects on blood pressure and heart rate during exercise,
>>though you can probably assess its effect on your heart rate yourself.

>I couldn't find ephedrine hydrochloride in any pharmacies around my area.
>The pharmacists just said they didn't have it.  They pointed me to the nose
>sprays though.

I was looking for this a few months ago in the state of Wa.   The 
pharmacists all said they couldn't sell it due to state law.
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From: eleea2i@jane.uh.edu (92H01701)
Subject: ADVICE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:22:00 GMT

	I am new to the group and think it's great.  I was wondering if I
could get some advice on my workout and diet.   I am 5'7'' and weigh 138lbs, 
in average health with no problems.  I've been inconsistant in workingout the 
last two years because of school.  For the last two weeks thoughI have
 consistently worked out 5 consecutive days a week.  I workout 1-1/2 hours and
 then run a mile afterwards.  I do 3 sets of 8, in which I increase10lbs/set.
Then if I can do all three sets with no help, I increase each set by 10lbs for
 the next time(for that particular lift).  My goal is to 'bulk' up, mybe adding
 5 to 10lbs (At this point I am not worried about definition.) One problem I 
have had is adding weight.  I never seem to be able to get above 152lbs.  So I 
would welcome criticism on my workout routine and any suggestions on what I 
could add to my diet to increase my muscle mass.  Sorry for being so long
winded on my question.


					thanks,
					Oscar Trevino

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Re: Triceps Exercises
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:45:44 GMT

lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:

>A friend of mine told me to try an exercise using a cable pulley: Grip the
>handle in one hand, palm facing up (this makes things harder) and with your
>upper arm straight (vertical) extend your forearm downward. This is similar
>to push downs except that you do one arm at a time and your grip is
>upside down. I hope this explains what I mean... Anyway, I tried this
>yesterday (these are _tough_) and they felt like they might be working
>my outer tris more. Any other ideas?

You can also do a variation on this using a straight bar and both arms
for the reverse push-down - but I usually do these light to emphasise the
horshoe shape at the back of my tris. I use "rope pulldowns" for my outer tris.
Instead of a bar - you attach a pair of ropes to the cable. Pull down while
twisting the rope out and away from your body.

starting positions		Ending position
	|				|
	|				|
	H				H
       | |			       | |
       | |			      /   \
       | |			    /       \
       0 0			   0         0

>thanks,

>Luther
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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: How To Identify Lactic Acid Buildup?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:23:50 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <2178324@overmind.citadel> hpmwtd.sr.hp.com!budn@overmind.mind.org writes:
>
>Everything I've read about glycogen depletion stresses the fact that
>your body is most efficient at restocking its glycogen within the 
>first hour or so of stopping the activity.  Eat carbo's right away.
>
That's what Dr. Gabe Mirkin always says on his talk-radio show, so
it must be pretty close to the truth.

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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Heartrates...
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:11:42 GMT

In article <max.712594428@isis> max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler) writes:
>I'm 35 and my resting pulse is currently 60-65.

Why do medical books say "70" is normal if many are in the 50s and 60s?
Two guesses:
(1) Average of teenagers and adults, the former who have higher rates because
they are younger.
(2) The study was done a sedentary population, the average who couldn't run
a mile or lift a hundred pounds.

I conjecture the "second" became a unit a time because it is so close to the
heartbeat of a fit adult.  There are lots of different way use a sexigesmal
(base-60) system to sudivide the day, but I suspect the current system was
designed to bridge the hour system and heatbeat timing.
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From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: Re:love handles
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:19:50 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

If you have a bar to hang from, you can do alternating side frog lifts, or,
if your abs are strong enough, straight alternating side leg lifts.  But
your abs REALLY have to be strong.  Or, you could lie on your back and
simulate side frog lifts on the groung, although this is better done
on a bench.  V-crunches are also good; because you're working muscles
above the waist, you're killing two birds with one stone.
From: rodgers@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:07:34 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Jul26.152526.16378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ah238@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Zupko) writes:
> 
> Anyone know any good shoulder exerices with dumbbells?
> -- 
> 	It may not be today, or tomorrow but the truth will comeout.
> 
>  
>  AH238@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU                            --------->>>>>>>>>>JAZ


Here is a real killer of a superset using dumbbells (I can only handle it
with 10lbs).   It involves four different movements, to be done as quickly as
possible without hesitation, and each for 10 reps.  (1) Side laterals,
(2) L-bend laterals, (3) upright rows, and (4) dumbbell press.  I do the first
three movements standing with my knees slightly bent and sit at the end of
a flat bench for the final movement.  I usually do this movement at the end
of my shoulder routine.

Val R.
RODGERS@BRANDONU.CA
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Arm Wrestling - Which Muscles ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:51:27 GMT

In article <14597@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> Well, Guy, and anyone else who is interested, the most important muscle groups
> are the following:  forearms (wrists), hand (gripping), biceps, triceps,
> shoulders, and back.  You probably didn't expect me to say all that, but it's
> true.

Actually, Adam, we all expected you to list everything that excluded
any muscles in your legs :-).

Man, 250 squat?  How do you stand up?  :-)

GMS
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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: More on tofu
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:27:07 GMT



	Since a similar subject came up in another thread (the one on low-fat
main courses), I thought I'd pursue it further.

	Does anyone know if there's any nutritional difference between
the various kinds of tofu (soft, firm, extra-firm, etc)?

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:36:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul29.173642.5045
Organization: Western Washington University


rommel@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Rommel Raj) writes:

>Whatever you do, DON'T do any exercises that will develop those
>obliques!  I've read that those muscles develop quite easily with
>exercise so this is something you'll probably want to avoid.
>Interestingly enough, there was a time when development of the
>obliques was admired by some.  Now, any protrusion from the waistline
>is frowned upon whether it is muscle or fat.
	
Frowned on?  By who?  And who cares, unless you are planning to win
a beauty pagent or something?

Jim D
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heart rates...
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:10:27 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton) writes:


>I'm 26 (27 in September) and my heart rate at rest is in the range 42-46.
>That's sitting at the terminal (currently ticking over at 45), but it is
>lower when I just wake up, usually between 34 & 36.

>What about max heart rates? I've got up to 211 when rowing and managed
>over 200 for a minute when doing a VO2 max test running on a treadmill.

How do you get it so slow?  Mine seems to be about 70 when resting.
I've gotten to 210 from puke level squats, but it is evil.

Jim Del Vecchio
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: wrestling/Adam Silver
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:55:55 GMT

In article <14598@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.202918.89391@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
> >I read all the arm wrestling info, and was wondering if the following
> >exercise would be beneficial:
> >
> >Let's say you hook some weight on the top of a cable machine, then
> >with a bench in front of you, sit with your shoulder to the cable,
> >pull the weight down until you're in a seated or kneeling position
> >on the floow, and your elbow is on the bench, then pull down the weight.
> >(simulating the arm wrestling position)
> >
> >What do you think?
> 
> The idea is very good, Kathi.  The one problem is that the cable is too angled
> on a cable machine like that.  If I can figure out a way to have the cable
> fairly level with my arm, then it's a great exercise.  It's still best to
> actually practice with a person because the motion is closer to armwrestling
> than what a machine can give.  Plus, I need to be able to have tension on
> my wrist at different angles to simulate armwrestling.  I don't know any
> machines that can do this.

I've used seated cable machines (the ones for lat/lumbar work -- cable
pulley is near the floor) for this.  Some gyms don't have the darn 
things anchored, tho', so you might have to use some ingenuity for
significant weights.  You can also flex your wrist to get some of the
effect of wrist rolls.  Using one arm at a time on the Nautilus bicep
machine helps too.  Not quite an armwrestling simulation, but give it
a try.

GMS
From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:24:46 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.

In article <1992Jul29.183836.14445@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>Another traditional ab exercise from boxing is leg throw downs,
>where you raise your legs up (like a straight leg raise) while lying supine, 
>and a partner grabs your ankles and throws them forcefully toward the floor
>while you use your abs to rapidly slow them down before they hit
>the floor.  This is another 'plyometric' type exercise, for explosive power
>and toughness, not really for bodybuilding, and it's potentially dangerous for 
>your back, so if you try it, be very careful and start slowly.
>

Leg throw downs are KILLER! Last time I did those (every other day) my abs
were sore for a week and half..

Luther
From: markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Mark Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Re:love handles
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:51:17 GMT
Reply-To: markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU's message of 29 Jul 92 14:19:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.141917.279751@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:

** From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
** 
** Javier:
** 
** Okay, maybe my exercises won't work for everyone.  But they do work
** for some people who have had love handles.  Working the muscle tightens
** that skin up; trust me; I've seen it.

I would think that it tightens the skin by buiding up the muscle
underneath. Are you proposing some other mechanism?

** Also, if you're worried about mass in the obliques, don't worry about it.
** You're only swinging up the weight of your legs.  You're not going to
** gain mass.

If you don't gain mass then how will you tighten the skin?

-Mark
--

Mark Friedman
MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
545 Technology Sq.
Cambridge, Ma. 02139

markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu
From: ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian J Gardner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Squat Tips
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:59:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ePmjMu00aw6I_3lNf
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Try not to breathe so much.  Perhaps (it depends on the breathing
style), you are actually hyperventilating when performing the set as a
whole.  Couple that with the increasing weight, and therefore the
increasing inter-thoracic pressure, and you could have the cause right
there.

As for the bar trying to fall off, as well as your back being sore -
perhaps your execution of this exercise is not quite right.  Have
someone who knows what they are doing take a peek at you while you
perform a set or two, and ask for their recommendations.

Well, if your back feels sore from working the weights properly - you
probably don't have anything to worry about.  It could just be that you
need to strengthen your upper and lower back more.  Or, it might also be
that you have an underlying problem with your back (ie - a chiropactor
could give you more details).

If your back feels sore for poor form - you probably should correct it,
or begin to worry.  Poor form can affect more areas than just your back.
 If you should fall, you can mess up your knees, ankles, etc - as well
as pulling your groin or hurting your back.    Correct it.

Hope that helps.  Just my amateur input.  If anyone else has anything
better to add, please correct me.

Ian Gardner
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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: high-protein meal before or after workout?
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:13:29 GMT


In a previous article, loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu () says:

>      You should eat a high protein meal on days you lift weights yes, but you
>      also want to eat a faily good amount of protein on your days off, because
>      on the days that you rest is when your body does most of its rebuilding.
>      I was told not to worry about consuming the complex carbs so quickly after
>      your workout, because your body will eventually refuel itself by breaking
>      down its fat stores and converting them to glycogen which is what fuels
>      your muscles.

However, I read in a recent issue of Muscle and Fitness that if you
consume complex carbs soon after a workout, your muscles will store more
glycogen.  About 150% times what would otherwise be stored, if I recall
correctly.

Also, if you consume a lot of protein immediately after working out, it
would tend to be converted to glycogen as well.  At least, that's what I
read.

Can someone shed some light on this?

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
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From: gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittman did...
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:25:58 GMT

In article <2178601@overmind.citadel> SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU!kji+@overmind.mind.org writes:
>Adam Silver asks:
>
>>Would you two like to arm wrestle me too....
>
>  Actually I think I would like to.  I've beaten the 3 men I arm
>wrestled(2 of them with both arms).  I'd like to try arm wrestling
>with a professional.
>
>K

	Phew !!  That is something I'd like to watch, Kathi.

James
   gairns@ccrs.emr.ca
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The misc.fitness TOP TEN list
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:17:03 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul29.141345.9860@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, banchy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Banchy thomas g (410) 461-2216) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.075927.233@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.214951.28742@inter-tel.com>, wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg) writes:
>>> 
> [lengthy original post deleted]
>>
>> ----Why not cut down on all the other stuff??????????????????
>>> 9. Injuries
> [lengthy original post deleted]
> 
> A one-line followup to a 100-line post with NO TRIMMING DOWN?!?!?!  Come
> on, bonehead, you can do better than that!

Listen BONEHEAD, my system was crashing and I had to log off before I could edit
the damn thing.  To all of you other boneheads that emailed your intelligence to
me, don't bother wasting my time with stupid-ass replys like that.  I'm sorry I
wasn't able to cut it down, but under the circumstances, I didn't get a chance
to.

--Rob
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