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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Subject: Re: Sound chip in IIvx is a drawback to machine 
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:41:00 GMT

Allan Levy writess:
________________________
I wonder if anyone at apple can explain why the sound chip used in the IIvx
couldn't be stereo!  I don't see why the "new multimedia macintosh" can
only play sounds in mono whereas the rest of the macintosh family can play
sounds in stereo--even the discontinued ones (SE/30).
________________________

The only mono-Macs in production prior to the introduction of the IIvx were
the Classics (I & II) and the LC's, but now, according to Apple Product info
the IIsi and the IIci (which once had stereo output), have mono-output.

This is not idle rumour folks, I got this info out of a booklet on the
entire Macintosh family distributed to dealers.  My question is:
why do this?  Anybody in net-land have a good answer?

Chris Tsirbas
tsirbasc@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
_______________________________________________________
I don't do Windows
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From: rhode@ee.rochester.edu (Robert Rhode)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: How Long are people waiting?
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:03:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

I ordered a Mac IIvx-CD three weeks ago (yes, two whole days after rollout),
and the campus store says it could be anywhere from days to MONTHS before
I see a computer.  What kind of success are my fellow netters meeting in
purchasing the new (or old) Macintosh models?  Just curious.

- Bob
From: model03@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (John Deke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SPEED and SPEED your IIsi
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:13:57 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <#bm1_3#@rpi.edu>, simsh@crockett1c.its.rpi.edu (Chewbacca) writes:
> guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (Kui Yu Chang) writes:
> 
>>For those who still don't know, I just read something here that says by
>>setting the Disk Cache in Sys7 to 768K, you get faster screen updates on
>>your Macintosh IIsi because all the RAM in Bank A(where the video memory
>>is also allocated)will be used-up.
> 
>>I did an EXPERIMENT immediately and find that the speed-up is IMPRESSIVE!!!
> 
> Ah, but who can afford to give up an extra 640K with only 5M on the machine,
> especially when running Sys. 7?

I, too, have but 5M so I set my cacke to 384K.The speed increase is not quite
as great as the 768K, but its good enough for someone too cheap to buy more
memory - like me, for instance :-)

--
"We prefer to call it an 'unrequested fission surplus'" Monte Burns

John Deke
JDEKE@oread.cc.ukans.edu
From: Neil.Runyon@theboard.omahug.org (Neil Runyon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac Color Display (New Apple Monitor)
Date: 08 Nov 92 11:14:01 CST
Reply-To: neil.runyon@theboard.omahug.org
Organization: The Board BBS, Omaha
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

I bought the new Mac Color Display last week, and I have noticed some things
that seem odd to me.  First there is a very thin line about 3/4 down the
screen.  I was told this is a wire and that it is not a problem. Can anyone
confirn or deny this?  
Also, this is the second MCD I got ( had to return the first one ), and the
picture is slighted crooked.  The right part of the screen is about 3-4 pixels
higher then the left side (any ideas?). 
Finally, if I turn the monitor (it has the built in swivel) the whole picture
will rise (if I turn the screen to the right), or fall (left turn).  
Is this monitor going to have to be returned also, and if so what it the deal
with quality control in Shanghi were these things are assembled.

Neil -

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: awolfe@moo.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Wolfe)
Subject: Re: II vx Vs Ci
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:26:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.000917.153536@watson.ibm.com>, arsouth@watson.ibm.com (Andrew R. Southwick) writes:

|> 
|> Feature                 IIvx:           IIci:
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Model                   4/80            5/80
|> Processor Speed         32 MHz          25 MHz
|> Processor               68030           68030
|> FPU                     68882           68882
|> External Cache          32K             128K
|> External Bus Width      16 bits         32 bits
|> Soldered RAM            4M              0M
|> RAM SIMM slots          4 (1 bank)      8 (2 banks)
|> Included RAM            0M              5M
|> ROM                     ?               512K
|> 32-bit clean ROM?       Yes             Yes
|> NuBUS slots             2?              3
|> Built-in video res      832x624         640x480 (or portrait at 4bits)
|> Built-in video depth    16 bits *       8 bits
|> HD access time          ?               20 ms
|> Sound input             Mic +IIci ->    44.1 kHz stereo 8-bit sampling
|> Software sampling       same as IIci -> 22kHz, 8 bit, stereo
|> Sound output            Sound jack      Sound jack
|> Cost                    $2355           $2155
|> 

The sheer quantity of falsehoods in this newsgroup is becoming overwhelming.

The IIvx definitely has 3 NuBUS slots.
I am reasonably certain of the following other facts - but I would appreciate confirmation from a reliable source.

The cache card supplied with the IIci is not 128K.
The IIvx does not have a 16-bit bus.  (It has a 16MHz, 32-bit bus)


Also - who cares what size the ROM is.  I only care what features mine supports.

-- 
--------------------------------------
Andrew Wolfe
Assistant Professor
Department of Electrical Engineering
Princeton University
From: Steve_Costa@bmug.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: where are the PB 180's?
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:14:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: bmug.1992Nov10.221456.101545
Distribution: world
Organization: BMUG, Inc.

My PowerBook 180 came in today. I sent in my developer order on 10/19/92.  I'm
not sure where you heard that PowerBook 180's would be supply by the 11/15/92
but Computerware said not to expect more than a trickle of PowerBook 180s till
the beginning of the year.  I know MacWeek said something different but you
can't believe everything you read.


Steve Costa
BMUG
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From: naizer@rei.com (jonathan naizer)
Subject: SIMMS for Sale
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:34:27 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.
Keywords: simms

I've got 4 4mbx8 70ns SIMM modules for Sale. First offer over $150ea.
214-579-5820. This is a total of 16MB

::
From: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LS vs. NTR
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:07:55 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b1205amac8.larc.nasa.gov



|In article <1992Nov4.150009.7842@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, jimy@cae.wisc.edu (Jim 
|Yu) writes:
|> Think about it. If what you're saying is correct, there would be no 
|difference
|> between a PS printer and a bitmapper (Quickdraw if you insist).
|> I assume when you said "look identical on both printers" you meant
|> both printers prints a staircase rather than a smooth line.
|> That's probably because the application you used is not sending PS to the
|> printer. Try MacDraw (or any draw program rather than a paint program)

|I have tried Claris CAD, which is a "draw program", on LS.  The 45 degree 
|lines
|are as smooth as I print on a Apple LW II-NTX.  I can obtain thinner hatch
|lines on LS than on the II-NTX.  All in all, not all "draw programs" are
|the same.  (The Claris CAD is probably a "QuickDraw" "draw program", not a PS
|one.)

|> and you should see enormous difference. Also try a circle instead of a 
|line.

|I tried circle, too.  Identical, too.

|> The text output is also not identical. Try printing text with a font size
|> not installed in your system. The LS will scale to an ugly bitmap of the 
|font
|> while the NTR will print a smooth font, at any size.

|You probably have the scaleable font in your system or your NTR.  I don't see
|how you can print smooth font if you have ONLY the bitmap and you do not have
|the scaleable font in your NTR. 

|For the LS, if you have TrueType fonts, they will be smooth at any size.  Why
|not?  TrueType is scaleable.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Both psotscript and quickdraw are scaleable graphics systems, and since the 
advent of ATM fonts and Truetype fonts they both have scaleable fonts. A 
nonpostscript printer with the same resolution can print quickdraw as well as 
a postscript printer (the vast bulk of work done on Macintoshs), however 
there are some special effects in postscript especially in the area of 
altered text (stretches deformations etc.) and grayscaling where postscript 
is superior, and of course for programs like Illustrator, which use 
postscript drawing commands, you need a postscript printer or special 
software. In addition most postscript printers have Appletalk built in 
whereas most non postscript don't (or its an option) and most postscript 
printers are a lot faster. By the way, for most bit map fonts the apple 
postscript printers will substitute a postscript font when printing so you 
will have a smooth font, also if you have substitute font turned off and a 4X 
font it can use the larger font to get resonable output, much like the 
Imagewriters did with 2X and 3X fonts.
Just my 2 cents worth

Wally Vaughn
These are just my opinions not NASA's not the US Governments


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom Blackman)
Subject: Re: 25 mHz IIsi--another success story
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:56:31 GMT

Ok gang, I have a IIsi and want to do the upgrade, but I'm not
sure that it will work with all the talk about the nubus
adapters failing.  I want to know if anybody had success with 
a system that is similar to mine.

IIsi 5 megs ram
Apple NUBUS adapter
Raster Ops 264 video board 

Anyone that has a system similar to mine I would greatly appreciate
any info on the upgrade and how successful you were.

Thanks
Tom
-- 
tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu--------------------------Thomas Blackman
Paint em all, let the judges sort em out.          Go team Tippmann
From: xontech@cerf.net (Bruce B. Lacey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Quadra 700 Overdrive Accelerator (25Mhz->30Mhz)
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:39:10 GMT
Organization: XonTech, Inc.
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X-XXDate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:42:41 GMT

Does anyone have experience with the Quadra 700 Overdrive Accelerator or 
know the manufacturers phone number. I have only seen advertizements for
it 
from third party distributors. Supposedly Overdrive increases the clock 
speed from 25Mhz to 30Mhz which sounds interesting but risky. Please
e-mail 
responses to me: xontech@cerf.net. 

Thanks in advance.
+======================================================================+
| Bruce B. Lacey      -Technical Group Manager of Systems Engnineering |
| XonTech, Inc.       -xontech@cerf.net                                |
| Van Nuys, CA  91406 -(818) 787-7380 ext. 295                         |
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+  
|     Specializing in massively parallel computing architectures.      |
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From: jtang@hpsgl1.sgp.hp.com (Jerry TANG)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 05:24:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Will a Mac IIci cache card work in a Mac IIcx?
Organization: Asia Peripherals Division, HP Singapore
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware

The IIcx does not have a PDS slot, so the cache card which plugs into this slot
isn't of any use to your IIcx. It is really only meant for a IIcx or possibly
any other Mac that has a PDS slot (PDS - Processor Direct Slot) built-in.

Usually you will need an adaptor of some sort to convert it for other Macs like
the ones that DayStar Digital has. You did not mention the brand or the type of
cache card you have so I cannot give you a definite answer.

Hope that helps.


Jerry Tang.
HP Singapore.
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
From: genzuk@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Genzuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: How Long Do I Have To Wait?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:12:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Summary: How Long Do I Have To Wait For New Macs?

I had ordered a PB 170 on October 8th and the next week when Apple announced
the new line they informed me that they would change the order to a
PB 180.  They also said I could use the same purchase order so the date
remained the same.  I have not received anything.  I do have a promised
delivery date of December 17th.  But I have my doubts.

I will post upon delivery...

Michael from USC  "ONCE A TROJAN...A TROJAN FOR LIFE"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: SPEED!SPEED!SPEED!speed?
Summary: Rocket and 8.24 GC card, maybe not
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov1.152445.28693@bio.vu.nl> 
ebido@bio.vu.nl (Etienne Bido) writes:
>I'm planning on accelerating my IIcx. I can't decide between the
>Daystar Digital powercache 50mhz or the Radius rocket 25i.
>

You may want to check on compatability of the Rocket with the
8.24 card. I was told by Radius tech support that the Rocket (all
3 versions, I assume) was "mostly compatible". This means that it
works but only with the QuickDraw acceleration on the Rocket
board turned of

This information may be out-of-date. They also told me that the
Rocket was incompatible with an E-machines DoubleColor card.
The nice folks at E-machines tell me they have fixed that problem
and their new cards are completely compatible with the Rockets.
(Just turn off the QuickDraw acceleration on the new DoubleColor
cards and turn on the QuickDraw acceleration on the Rocket.)

You can reach Radius tech support at (408) 434-1012, ext. 1 for 
rocket tech support. Radius sales number is 800-227-2795
Radius fax-back number is 800-966-7360.

And I haven't decided between Daystar and Radius yet, either.

-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Mathew L. Spolin <ms5477a@auvm.american.edu>
Subject: Re: Speedometer weirdness
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A723D7B96A039637@cyber.hughes.american.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:54:17 GMT
Organization: Cybervision Productions
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:49:47 GMT

In article <5bm1xc_@rpi.edu> Chewbacca, simsh@crockett1c.its.rpi.edu
writes:
>I haven't been able to find which extension seemingly makes it so much
faster.

It may well be the Disk Cache, which doesn't load when you reboot with
the shift key down.

---Matt Spolin
   Washington DC
From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: New 14" vs. Performa Display+ ???
Keywords: monitors, sony, Perfoma Display +, LC
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:41:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov11.234107.24871
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <43367@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
> Jamey Maze (jnm@ornl.gov) wrote:
> : In article <1992Nov05.135159.92060@bmug.org>, David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
> : wrote:
> : > 
> : > Honestly, this is a foolish comparison for one reason.  There is a  
better,
> : > cheaper monitor.  The Sony CPD-1320 has a better dot pitch and sells for  
$425
> : > (out the door after S&H).  There's no reason to spend $100 more on the  
Apple
> : > 14" which is the same thing.
> : 
> : Do you know for sure if the Sony CPD-1320 will run on a Performa 600? It
> : sells for $345 at the local Apple dealership (plus $12 for an adapter), but
> : they say it only works with the LC II. Of course, they don't deal with
> : Performa's.
> 
>  This is a VGA monitore. Only LC adn LCII will drive a VGA.
> : 
> : Thanks!
> : 
> : --
> : Jamey Maze, Oak Ridge National Lab     

	These are two different monitors. The AppleColor and Performa Display +  
are based on the Sony CPD-1320 14" Trinitron tube. The Sony CPD-1304 is a fixed  
rate monitor which can be used only by an LC or an LC II. The CPD-1320 is  
multisynchronous, so it works with most (all?) Macintosh computers. I would not  
buy the Performa Display +, as I have heard a wide variety of quality problems  
with the new video curcuitry. The CPD-1320 isn't quite as bright, but has  
better convergence and lower distortion.

--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Departments of Physics and Philosophy
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR
From: labccc@emory.edu (Chris Chung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MAC LINE UP ON SUMEX
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:44:59 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


If your looking for release reports/info on MACs, go to sumex.

It'll be under info-mac/reports.

Chris Chung
From: chip@inter.interzone.ch (Marc Liyanage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Hard Disk Sound Recording
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:47:36 CET
Organization: Interzone Switzerland
Reply-To: chip@interzone.ch
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4



In article <BxGn05.BuC@unix.amherst.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:

>      Pretty much. Right now Flopticals and read/write optical discs are too
> slow to use with direct to disk systems. I think Akai produces a stand-alone
> system that stores sound data on 5 1/2 inch optical disks, but I don't know
> how they do it.

I've worked with this system for a couple of weeks. Technically, it's
really amazing because it has everything you want in it: all kinds
of remote-control connections (RS-422, 232, SCSI) AES/EBU digital
in/out etc. We were told that AKAI modified the ROMs of the drives
to get it to work that fast. The only problem I've had was is it's small LCD-Screen.
It gets really confusing to jump between all these sub-sub-sub-menus
;-) They also have a software program to control the unit from a Mac,
but that isn't the last word in user-friendliness, either.


> The optical drives that are available for the Mac (like
> 3 1/2 inch 128 MB drives) aren't fast enough for recording. Also 128MB is
> too small for any serious work. And 21MB flopticals are all but useless.
> I think the ideal setup would be a really fast gigabyte hard drive, and
> a 5 1/2 inch optical disk to back up onto (they're faster than tape drives
> at least). 
> 

Couldn't agree more. That's about the setup I would recommend to anyone.
128 MB gives you roughly 11-12 minutes of 44.1 kHz Stereo sound.


..Just my 0.02$..


-Marc




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Neal_Pitts@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 09:43:29 EST
Subject: Duo Dimensions

Can anyone give me the dimensions of the new Duo's?

And has anyone thought of the possibility of a multimedia dock?  I think
that would be cool. :)


Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC
From: Tom_R._Quackenbush@bmug.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC 5FG vs. E-Machines T16 II
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:07:10 GMT
Organization: BMUG, Inc.

Hi David,
I was in the market for the best 16" monitor, and I bought a NEC 5FG (uses an
INVAR shadow mask). But, I sent it back and got a refund because, for me, the
resolution was much poorer than COMPARED to the Apple (Sony) 13" trinitron
monitor I still use. I HIGHLY recommend you check out the NEC picture quality
(too grainy for me) before you purchase one. It also has a VERY strange
feature which reduces and increases the brightness of the screen depending on
what is on the screen. I really did not like that. I would turn up the
brightess and the monitor would sense it being too bright and dim it! On this
last point (called gray linearity) see page 259 in the Sept 92 issue of MacWorld.
 	If I were to buy a 16" monitor, it would DEFINITELY be a trinitron tube (it
is hard to go away from trinitron razor sharp picture after you have gotten
use to them), and most likely be the E-Machines T16 II.
 	Since I got an Apple 8*24 display card, I have been able to use MaxAppleZoom
utility to make my 13" into a 14", and find that I really do not need a 16", -
at least not for now.
Hope this is helpful. Regards, Tom.
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From: jdglasse@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jeffrey David Glasse)
Subject: Re: PB 100 20Mb Disk Drives Noisy?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:56:40 GMT


I have had the exact same problem EVER SINCE I had apple replace the
original drive a few months ago. The original PB 100 worked fine for a
few weeks and then Blammo... the motherboard AND hd needed to be
replaced.... but the original was a quiet as a mouse. the unite they
replaced it with sounds like something is sticking inside. But it works
fine, has for two months now, and I am not about to go for another week
or so (it actually took apple two tries to fix my last unit) while they
fix what is to me a minor annoyance

-jeff

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt Tiedtke)
Subject: Some fit, some don't
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:32:17 GMT

There was a thread a while back on whether an extended keyboard fits under
the overhang on the front of a IIvx case.  I got a close look yesterday and
noticed that the back side of currently shipping keyboards is a little lower
than some of the older keyboards.  The new ones flatten out above the function
keys, while the older ones continue to slope up.  I guess there's enough of
a difference to cause problems.
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: The IIvi/vx CAN be saved!!. apple PLEASE do it!!!!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:50:44 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


davoli@natinst.com (Russell Davoli) writes:

> What is it with you!  Who really cares what the inside of the case is made
> of?  Obviously the case is cheaper, so why shouldn't Apple use it?  And
> who makes any decisions to buy a machine based on whether the case is
> metal or plastic?

Me.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
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