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From: kolt@ellis.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo)
Subject: Re: Frontier news
Keywords: wow, nickel, comps
Reply-To: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.142404.3982@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko) writes:
>The Frontier is cutting back on the good rules.  The 2:1 payoff for suited 
>Ace-Jack naturals has been eliminated.
I guessed, at the time of the existence of this, that this was worth 1/16 of
the 2.33% that we get for blackjack paying 3:2. So that's a .145 advantage for
us, assuming my logic/math is not flawed. 

>It has been replaced with a newer,
>cheesier bonus:  all blackjacks ($5 bet or higher) earn a bonus "token" which
>can be saved up and used for free rooms (10 tokens = free room Sun-Thur, 15
>on the weekend).  This is a pretty good deal for a typical nickel bettor who
>would never get a room comp, especially on Saturday night, and a lousy deal
>for green action players who would get comped there anyway.  I'm wondering if
>I can possibly sell these stupid tokens to anybody who needs a room in Vegas.
>Trouble is, I've only got 5 of them so far.  Stay tuned.
This sounds like a great deal to me. I am a nickel bettor and would love to
have this deal. Here's my math for this one.
60 hands| 1 BJ   | 1 token | 1 night | 
1 hour  |20 hands| 1 BJ    |10 tokens| which I think comes out to 3.3 hours
per night. At nickels!!! Anyway, what do you think Jason? With 3 or four of
us it would only take about an hour give or take to get that many. :-)

>It's possible that DAS is gone, but I never had the opportunity to try it 
>and didn't feel like attracting any additional attention by asking about it.
>They are now using the phrase "double down on any first two cards" on their
>marquee and table placards.  I think previously they used the term "double
>down any two cards".  Hmmm.  Guess I should have asked.
Yeah, can someone find out? That would be bad. The Frontier may well still
the best game in town, but it seems to be getting a little worse.

>Jacko.
Matt



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It's a bad sign when security thrice your size monitors your roulette play.
From: anderson@prowler.navo.navy.mil (Douglas T Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: So Ya Say Ya Wanna Be the House?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:26:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.172619.12117
Reply-To: anderson@pops.navo.navy.mil
Distribution: usa
Organization: POPS Facility Managment
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-7411]: prowler.navo.navy.mil

According to a local newspaper, "The SunHerald", from Biloxi MS, a
local casino cruise ship is up for sale. 

The ship "LA Cruise" is being sold due to the owner having some
problems with the state gaming commission.  Basicly, if I understand
the article correctly he has been told to sell the ship, or lose his
gaming license.  What makes this interesting is the county this ship
is in just passed dock-side gaming and this license is grandfathered
in.

The ship currently charges approximately 20 dollars for a trip, and
has Black Jack, Carib Stud Poker, Craps, Roulette, Bingo, and the 
always present Slots.  

To give some idea of the house turnover part of the agreement to
allow sale is that all profits from gaming until the sale are turned
over the the state school system.  They are estimating a $350K
profit between last Friday and the end of the month.......

Rumor from an aquataince of the owner of "LA Cruise" is he wants 6
Million for the ship, and 200k a month for dock space rental.  I
doubt the state will go for the 200k rental, but at 100k a week
profit, 6 Meg sounds like a great price.

Any of you Net.Gambler's got some spare change? :~)

-- 
Douglas T Anderson
Site Manager - POPS Program

All opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.  They do not
reflect the opinions of Grumman Data Systems, the US Navy or any
one else, unless they want them to.
From: shag@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt)
Subject: Re: "Diamonds are Forever"
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:27:20 GMT

In article <ELLIOTT.92Apr17090405@soldier.aero.org> elliott@aero.org (Kenneth B. Elliott III) writes:
> 
>		[stuff deleted]
>
> Anyway, experienced craps players play because they like to.  They
> generally make whatever the hell bets they feel like.  *Smart* craps
> players make a line bet and possibly one or two come bets, backing all
> of them with maximum odds (up to about 3x).  People who understand the
                                         ^^
Why only 3 times?  Is there some math I'm missing here?

Shag


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      Rob Unverzagt       |   of whiskey and beautiful women and you're at
 shag@aerospace.aero.org  |   work.  What are ya, crazy or something?"
                          |                          -- a voice in my head
From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Solitaire?
Summary: Is it ever played for money?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 17:18:55 GMT
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston

While playing Windows solitaire this weekend at home, a thought struck me:
Most computer solitaire games allow a "Las Vegas" scoring system: Pay $52,
get $5 per card built up on the ace stacks, limited # of deck run thrus.
Is this game now offered in any casino, or offered in the past?  I can see
where it would be difficult to offer with decks of cards, but might be easy
to do with a video system.  Is this based in reality or some past fantasy
of a game author?

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| his arm. Just a guy made of dots and lines." - They Might Be Giants
From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Where Granger's Blackjack! Program?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 19:11:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston

In article <1992Apr14.155328.3297@gvl.unisys.com> ronw@gvlf2.gvl.unisys.com (Ron Wagner) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can find a copy of Don Granger's Blackjack! 
>program?  I would like an ftp site if possible.  How about posting
>a copy to the rec.gambling archives?  Thanks.
>.
I know that it is available from Compu$erve, GAMERS Forum, Other games library.
I have a copy and find it to be the best IBM PC Blackjack program.  I'll see
if I still have the Shareware version around - I have the paid version, which
I can't distribute.  If Don will send me a copy, I'll send it to the archives
in ZIP and uuencoded form.


-- 
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| hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov    SpokesPersonp(Me,or(NASA,LESC)) = NIL
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| his arm. Just a guy made of dots and lines." - They Might Be Giants
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: why@kpc.com (Will Hyde)
Subject: Re: "all-in" poker strategy
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:32:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.091029.12602@nevada.edu> messiah@nevada.edu (MARCO) writes:
>To poker fans who are familiar with "all-in" rules commonly used at
>Nevada casino poker, I pose the following question to ponder:
>
>Is there an optimal "all-in" strategy? It seems to me that if your
>chips are low, and you are in a bad position (Hold 'Em poker assumed),

  Actually, there are *two* strategies for the *all-in* approach to play
  in a no-limit game.

  First, let's assume the game is a 10-to-go No-Limit Hold'em, like the
  current net.poker.tournament Championship game (only, in the game we
  are assuming, it's not tournament format; that is, if you go busted
  you can buy more chips and continue playing).

  First, there's the strategy for the short player, the player who is
  trying to win his way into real action in this game ... say he has a
  bankroll of three or four hundred (most games will allow a buy-in for
  an amount 10x the "condition" of the game -- the "to-go" amount).

  This player buys chips $100.00 at a time.  What he's looking for is
  any hand with a good potential (four-flush, post-Flop, for instance);
  when he gets it, he goes *all-in* ... object being that if he makes
  the hand, he'll get doubled/tripled-up.  In such a game, 100.00 is
  "chump change", and the big money players will treat his bet as a
  nuisance that'll result in a side pot ... chances are he'll get three
  or four calls (in an "action" game).

  Second, and completely different:  The big stack "power player"
  approach to the *all-in* bet:

  This is the guy who always has more chips than everybody else; when
  you get into a pot with him, be prepared to play for all your chips.

  When I'm playing from this position, I'll tap off everybody, every
  time I have what I see as a "Percentage bet" -- any hand that probably
  has a little "the best of it" -- *before* the Turn card.  What happens
  here is that the Turn and River cards *can't* affect the outcome of
  the pot by giving some Live One the urge to go against the odds and
  try to buy the pot with an enormous bet.  That is, once everybody
  playing is tapped-off, it's a matter of "luck of the draw".  If I
  truly do have "the best of it" I'll ultimately win a percentag of the
  time determined by the odds.  There can arise no situations where I
  have to re-think my hand ... it's up to the "Fickle Bitch" ...

  This is, of course, the "percentage player" approach, the player who
  is playing the odds and doesn't givashit about table-talk, tells, or
  any other facet of poker strategy.  There is *no strategy* and *no
  bluffing* when everybody's all-in.

  
  -will 

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rishi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rishi Varma)
Subject: Re: Blackjack strategy
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 17:20:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.161350.8851@wam.umd.edu> cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn) writes:
>In article <1992Apr17.010500.5856@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>rishi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rishi Varma) writes:
>> Just doing a survey...assuming you can't count worth shit...how many of  
>> you would draw a card in the following situations:
>> 
>> i) You have a 16 (3 or more cards) and dealer shows 10.
>> ii) You have a 12 and dealer shows 5.
>> iii) You have a 17 (3 or more cards) and dealer shows A.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>
>I think that the net is a bad place to ask these questions due to the fact  
>that most of the blackjack players who read this board at least know basic  
>strategy, and it's hard to tell (at least for me) what I would do had I  
>not learned basic  Plus, please realize, you don't have to count cards to  
>know what the most advantageous (for the most part) play would be in any  
>of these situations.
>I will attempt to answer these questions based on my observations of  
>players who do not seem to play according to Basic Strategy.
>
>i) about 50/50.  Many players will go by past experience and/or what the  
>last few cards played were.
>ii) Most players seem to realize this is a stand situation (mostly because  
>of others at the table getting upset when this hand is hit.)
>iii) Almost all players will stand with this hand, even most counters when  
>they know they should hit will stand, due to the fact that it can draw  
>lots of attention from the pit.
>
>	Thanks for your help but I do know the basic strategy and I actually
	am pretty good at counting too...it was ust that my friends didn't 
	believe me so I had to prove it to them.

	Rishi Varma


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Where To get Lotto Info
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:22:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ursa.26807
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY


Is there anyplace to get the last two years worth of Lotto winning numbers?

(For NY State)
Phillip Millman
millman@bear.com
From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Sports betting
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:04:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Apr7.210436.20308
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>>  Now you can repeat this process over & over. You'll probably need to
>>  normalize them each time, or the #s get too big, but after a while, the
>>  normalized #s relax to a steady state where not much change occurs during
>>  this process. I have found that by computing the number 
>>       # wins/(wins + losses)
>>  you get a # between 0 and 1 that can be used as a measure of team
>>  strength. This can then be used (along with home field advantage) as a
>>  pretty good game picker.
>>
>	be weighted, with most recent heaviest.  This suggests that
>	your best opportunities will come with those teams that 
>	turn themselves around during the season.  My model weighted
>	the previous four weeks of data the heaviest.  However, your
>	general conclusion is consistent with my own models from 
>	the mid '70s: that won/loss record has a high correlation with
>	final point spread.

Can you guys explain how you convert a "power rating" type of system into
an expected point spread?  As in, I assume you somehow rate the teams and
if you give team A a power rating of 0.543 and team B is 0.493, what would 
be the point spread?

Thanks a lot for the info.  I'm very interested in this.  I see this as my
next project taking me into the fall/winter.  (Seeing as how me or somebody
I know is in Vegas just about every weekend.)

Hey Jim Pak, how's it goin'?  You bet the Final Four?

                              Jacko.
                              "Duke - 5  ----  CHA-CHING!"
From: goo@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Michael Goo)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: That Horse Race game and other items
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:51:16 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz) writes...

>In article <1992Apr2.195535.22096@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>>   1.	I see a game with 5 horses (5 camels at the Taj Mahal) where
>>	bets are placed on an exacta (is that the 1-2 finishers in
>>	any order?).   It's typically a quarter bet in LV and $1
>>	in A/C (although at the Taj, two of the four sides were 50
>>	cents and two were $1; at Trump's Castle, one side was $.25,
>>	one was $.50, and two were $1.00).
>
>	I don't know, but there's a nickel one in the slot casino which
>is attached to the Burger King in downtown LV.  It's a great place to 
>take low rollers.  You'll never win, but the machine's great fun.  Play
>it for hours for ten bucks.  It has seven hourses, I think, as do the other 
>one's I've seen in LV.  The ones at the Hacienda and Sahara take quarters, 
>and are too costly for me to enjoy playing given the ridiculous house 
>percentage.

Agreed.  These games are great fun if you're only playing for nickels.  I
know about the one in DT LV.  Last time I was in Reno, there was a nickel
one at the Circus Circus in the small casino at the far end of the tram
(near the parking garage).

>	Be careful though.  You've got ~30 seconds to place bets, and if
>you aren't careful, really stupid bets are easy to make.   Sometimes I find
>I've placed 3 nickels on this combination and 2 nickels on that combination
>and wound up so that no matter what combination comes in, I'll wind up
>behind.

I always load up the machine with nickels ahead of time.  I try to bet 1 unit
on every longshot (10 to 1 or greater) and then bet 2-3 on the favorites to
cover my other bets to some degree.  I may skip a round if there are no real 
longshots (greater than ~30-1).

>	The real fun of these machines is the challenge of betting halfway
>sensibly.  It also helps if you're lucky enough to find a table where 
>other people are yelling at the horses.  These types can be very entertaining.

I'd be interested in hearing your "strategies."

I'm glad you guys posted.  I thought I was the only "serious" gambler that
got a kick out of this game.

I'm still waiting for a 200-1 longshot to come in!

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From: Knight@AppleLink.apple.com (Eric Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: rec.gambling archives
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:10:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer

Where did all the old messages go?

Are they archived somewhere?

That's what I get for disappearing...

Eric
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Bay Area (California) cardroom experience
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 92 23:18:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <DANIEL.92Apr9081850@quilty.Stanford.EDU>

In article <DANIEL.92Apr9081850@quilty.Stanford.EDU> 
daniel@quilty.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Weise) writes:

>Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that California
>law only allowed card games where all of player's cards are dealt face
>down.  Therefore there is no stud in California card rooms.

Actually, cards are dealt face up and down, and there is stud, usually 
variations on 7-card stud poker. The main gambling regulation is Penal
Code section 330 which forbids casinos from "Conducting or playing banking
or percentage games with cards, dice or any device." This means it's the
players against each other for the pot. The house gets a fixed fee from
the winners and losers.

In fact, the Commerce Casino (near LA) rules state: "7 card stud is played
with 3 down cards and 4 up cards..." Even better is rule 19 for 7 card
stud which states: "When a player turns any of his or her up cards over
after a bet has been made, he or she risks losing the pot."

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: a few bj questions
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Apr8.145243.17985
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.224222.25111@pencom.com> eric@pencom.com writes:
>Therefore, it never pays to double less than the full amount.

Forget about the math for a second and think about reality (what a concept).
Suppose you have 11 vs 6.  You are always going to take one card.  You are
going to have a positive E.V. on this play.  So it will always pay to double
for less, even if you have a $100 bet out and your stack is reduced to a bunch
of silver.    As Jacobs would whisper in your ear, "Bet it all!".

Jacko.

P.S.  You forgot to copyright your article. 1/2 :-)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Subject: Re: Lost message
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:22:55 GMT

In article <sm3s2INNddl@agate.berkeley.edu> jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob  
Jin) writes:
> 
> Does anyone actually use a multi-parameter count? That's what I want to
> know.                

Maybe I should let him answer this himself, but, from the answers he's  
given to my questions, I think Michael Hall is using Hi-Opt I with side  
counted Aces AND Sevens, with adjustments for bet AND play.  And he claims  
a higher betting AND playing correlation than can be offered by Uston APC  
(which is what I use as well).


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From: filipski@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Filipski)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Weather in LV
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:06:54 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Apr15.190910.25104@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>
>  Could someone tell me real quick what the weather is like in
>  Las Vegas?  Temperature, etc.

FYI, online weather information (national weather service forecasts)
is available via telnet to port 3000 of madlab.sprl.umich.edu.  The
program there is menu-driven, and easy to use.  You need to know the
three letter city code to retrieve the forecast.  For LV, this is LAS.
The current forecast:

GREATER LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN AREA FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAS VEGAS NV
330 AM PDT THU APR 16 1992...DO NOT USE AFTER 10 AM TODAY...

 TODAY...MOSTLY SUNNY.  HIGHS IN THE LOW 80S. WINDS LIGHT AND VARIABLE.
 TONIGHT...FAIR SKIES.  LOWS IN THE UPPER 50S.
 FRIDAY...VARIABLE HIGH CLOUDS...BREEZY IN THE AFTERNOON.  HIGHS IN
THE MID 80S.

WEATHER SYNOPSIS...HIGH PRESSURE WILL MAINTAIN A DRY STABLE AIRMASS
ACROSS SOUTHERN NEVADA THROUGH FRIDAY.

Enjoy,
Paul
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: BJ:  High stakes in Atlantic City
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:50:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Apr11.032645.1791@midway.uchicago.edu>

Hmmm... the Usenet user who posted the question about high table limits
was from Harvard University... maybe Harvard people can afford $1000 or
more table limits...

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: $5 min BJ in AC on Friday eve./Saturday ?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:13:36 GMT

From: fsjrs@oz.lerc.nasa.gov (John R. Schwab)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: $5 min BJ in AC on Friday eve./Saturday ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:56:04 GMT

> . . .

> You may find one or two $5 BJ tables per casino on a weekend night, but
> they will be full and people will be waiting to grab a seat.  $10 is the
> effective AC minimum for weekend nights.  Try just after dawn, if they're
> still open 24 hours, or right at 10:00 AM, if they're not open 24 hours
> on the weekends anymore.  I'd like to hear about that, in any case.

Just recently, the law allowing the casinos to stay open 24 hours on
weekends & holidays was made permanent (it was done originally as a
6-month trial).

JR

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