HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!europa.asd.contel.com!paladin.american.edu!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!roeber@ucbvax.Berkeley.
Subject: Are /sys/mgrs/dtm* documented?
Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:27:36 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

I seem to recall that the /sys/mgrs{,.split}/dtm* type and trait
files have to do with the driver-side of the domain X servers.

Are these documented anywhere (officially or otherwise)?
I have to get X windows output on a VGA card, to feed into some
hardware, and it would be awfully nice if I could just slip in
the device driver and use the regular server.

Thanks!

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back to the lab and split the atom." -- Ayn Rand, "What is Romanticism?"
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
From: dwv@engin.umich.edu (Doug Vander Wilt)
Subject: Re: Transition to HP-UX
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:32:35 GMT
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Some HP folks have said an 'rbak' port to HP-UX is planned.  That could make
'wbak'ed data accessible on 700s with the right SCSI hardware connected.  But
if your data is stored with the extended Apollo file-typing, you may still
need a Domain/OS node around to convert the data.  For example, Mentor Graphics
data conversion utilities only run on Domain/OS.  Once converted, the data can
be 'tar'ed ('feather'ed?) or 'cpio'ed to transfer to other operating systems.

Doug Vander Wilt
Honeywell MICRO SWITCH Division
dwv@cadnet.micro.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpfcso!hpfcmdd!hpbbrd!hpbbn!hpbbi4!mik@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (#Michele Isernia)
Subject: Re: trouble installing 10.4 on dn4500
Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:33:32 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

I suggest you to restore first the install directory of 10.4
fromthe first file on the tape:

rbak -dev c -f 1 install -as /install -ms -l......

Then try to run minst...

Mik
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
From: ftpbox!mothost!lmpsbbs!areaplg2!bennett@uunet.uu.net  (Steve Bennett)
Subject: elm2.3 pl11
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:03:35 GMT
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I have compiled elm2.3pl11 using sr10.4 and cc6.9 I get a illegal instruction
trap when I try to send mail. Has anyone seen similar behavior

-- 

#
# Steve Bennett (bennett@mot.com)
#
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!brtph560!nrtpa038!nrtpa22!swamp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Steve Swamp)
Subject: how do you kill an active prsvr job?
Organization: BNR, Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:21:14 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

Every so often, someone here prints a postscript file without the
-trans option. I have been trying to figure out a way to kill
the job from the shell pad, short of shutting off the printer or
killing the prmgr/prsvr processes. Is there a way to do this?
I've tried using the "prf -sig_pr" command, but I get either
"not supported by this printer" or "unable to communicate/NCS"
errors. Anyone know how to do this? I'm running 10.3.5 on a 425T,
serial 19200 to an Apple Laserwriter. Only using three wires to
the printer (I think).


-- 
steve swamp                       BNR
email: swamp@bnr.ca               Research Triangle Park, NC
From: wolfaajj@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X11R5 on ISC -- no nore shared libs : -(
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:19:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin

Date: 9 Oct 92 18:22:05 GMT
Message-Id: <NBS7AK@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.sysv386

In article <1992Oct6.032641.573@shawn.uucp>, root@shawn.uucp (Mark Jeghers -- UNIX/X/Motif Contractor) writes:
|> Has anyone out in the net community managed to work in some of the nice
|> features that MIT removed?  I am already aware of the good-quality
|> servers for X11R5 which evolved out of the Roell R4 server.  My main
|> concern is if anyone has re-introduced the fine shared library support
|> that I have with R4 under Interactive.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> Mark Jeghers
|> UNIX/X/Motif Contractor
|> 408/281-4823 [voicemail]
|> 

There is an actual effort to integrate SVR3 shared libraries into the next
release of XFree86 (formerly known as X386 1.2E). At this time shared libX11
is already running but is still under test. LibXaw and libXt will follow.
If you want to join you can send mail to:

      x386SVR3@physics.su.OZ.AU    (this is our mailing list)

or to

      jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu   (Jim Tsillas, one of the "XFree86 core group")

-- Thomas

  Thomas Wolfram,  European Advanced Networking Test Center
  (Process Computing Center, Technical University of Berlin)
  Strasse des 17.Juni 135, 1000 Berlin 12, Germany
  Internet: wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de, Voice: +49 030 31421294
From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Stephen Gildea)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: MIT X11R5 problem with SUID & SGID
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:17:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9210161632.AA26061@alex.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:32:54 EDT

    Maybe the way this should work is to use the SUN-DES-1 key for the real
    uid, not the key for the effective uid.  This is really a SUN-DES-1/suid
    problem, not an install problem.
    
Right.  This bites all suid clients.  We have it filed as a bug
against Xlib.

 < Stephen
   MIT X Consortium
From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X based world clock anyone??
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:11:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.

Date: 6 Oct 92 12:40:38 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct6.124038.25294@atlastele.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.apps

I am looking for an X based world clock. Does anyone have such an
animal???


brians
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153 N. Hayden Bay Dr.			 
Portland, Or 97217			   -Raiders of the Lost Ark
From: apollo@ecf.toronto.edu (Vince Pugliese)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: any experience with Xcute board
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:32:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:19:27 GMT
Message-Id: <Bw6AsG.Hx1@ecf.toronto.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

 just received some info on the Xcute board which is a hardware/software
solution to turn your PC into an X-terminal. looks interesting. has
anyone used this product yet and is willing to impart some opinions?

by the way the board is made by

troyton computing
los angeles california
213 382 9272
-- 
apollo@ecf.utoronto.ca
From: brueni@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Dennis Brueni)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xcdplayer
Date: 11 Oct 92 10:12:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

Date: 8 Oct 92 02:28:46 GMT
Message-Id: <3593@creatures.cs.vt.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux,comp.os.mach,comp.windows.x


Probably wishful thinking, but has anyone ported the xcdplayer program to SVR4?
BTW, xcdplayer lets you control your CD-ROM drive much like a normal audio
CD player.

-- 
--Dennis Brueni (N0JSQ)        "The knack to flying lies in learning 
  brueni@csgrad.cs.vt.edu       how to throw yourself at the ground 
  <Project_Envision>            and miss."  -- Douglas Adams
From: kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: XtNameToWidget timing problem?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:41:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:15:20 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct6.151520.5852@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Oct05.131753.24126@rchland.ibm.com> jay@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Is there some sort of timing necessary for XtNameToWidget to work?
>[...]
>    menu_pane = XmCreatePulldownMenu (menu_bar, "filepane", NULL, 0);
>    if (XtNameToWidget(menu_bar, "filepane"))
                                   ^^^^^^^^

TFM says:

     Note that the names argument contains the name of a widget
     with respect to the specified reference widget and can con-
     tain more than one widget name (separated by periods) for
     widgets that are not direct children of the specified refer-
     ence widget.

Which, when translated, means your function call should use:

     if (XtNameToWidget(menu_bar, ".filename"))


-- 

Kaleb Keithley                          kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov

Not authorized, in any way, shape, or form, to speak for anyone.
From: chauvin@pencom.com (Chris Chauvin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Server Error:  Cannot bind TCP socket
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:21:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Pencom Software

Date: 13 Oct 92 00:20:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct13.002013.9602@pencom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

eXperts:
	I've ported X11R5 patch level 12 to the NeXT and I have the following  
annoying problem.  I have an application that is launched from xterm with the  
following command:

	xterm -e /bin/ksh

	The problem is that when xterm exits (by closing it with mwm or killing  
the server) the ksh does not die.  This is because this ksh ignores SIGHUPs  
which is what the xterm sends out when it terminates.  Fine, I understand that.   
However, if I try to restart the server I get: 

Fatal server error:
Cannot establish tcp listening socket

	The xterm has definitely terminated.  The ksh is still around.  If i  
kill -9 the ksh, the server will restart.  Why is this?  Looking at xterm, it  
closes the tcp connection after the fork and before the exec.  This would  
indicate to me that the forked process, ksh, should not have the socket open.   
What am I missing here?

Chris Chauvin
chauvin@pencom.com
Product Manager - co-Xist
Pencom Software
(512) 343-1111
From: vsck@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (subhash.c.kapoor)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: where is pgmto...
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:17:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: AT&T

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:26:14 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct5.192614.12435@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


a) Where would I get programs like pgmto...

b) I am using xwd and xpr to print my windows on to a postscript
printer. Whenever the color of the text in a window 
is closer to white, I do not see the actual
text on the print out. However, if the color of the
text is black, the text does appear on the print out. 

I already know two solutions:
1)  Change the window properties.
    The problem is that my
    users will not like this solution.
2)  Change the application code to
    paint foreground text in black color only.
    Too late.

Is there any other solution?
Does anyone has a copy of xwd and/or xpr?

Thanks.

                Subhash Kapoor (att!mtnet1!vsck)
From: evans@zk3.dec.com (Marc Evans)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X Under Windows NT
Date: 11 Oct 92 11:26:31 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Synergytics

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:16:07 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct8.111607.8331@decvax.dec.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.dec

In article <1992Oct7.183744.4489@decuac.dec.com>, mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum) writes:
|> >This is that it appears that
|> >it will be difficult to run an X-server in "native mode" under WNT.
|> 
|> 	Is this a bug or a feature?
|> 
|> 	No, seriously - If you consider that X windows' installed
|> base is a drop in the bucket compared to ms-windows', Microsoft
|> would be crazy to put engineering effort into making X a priority.

I tend to agree with this assertion, but do feel the need to add something.
The *primary* feature that the X11 environment provides over most other
commercial window/graphics systems is the network transport layer. Much of
the rest of the environment in X11 can be found in most other commercial
window/graphics systems (such as Windows/NT).

If Windows/NT were modified to provide an implementation of the ANSI-speced
network transport layer (based on that used by X11).... Well, you get the
idea. Rumor has it that there are a couple of companies out there trying to
do exactly this (well, maybe not the ANSI-speced flavor).

The only reason that I could see to justify NOT doing this is that Microsoft
believe that the transport should not be at the graphic primitives level
(ala X11), but rather higher up in the application layer (or maybe at the
graphic object layer?). Given the IP stack available on Windows/NT, making
network based programs that use a transport in the application layer can be
done today. The missing element some form of API or *standard* that would
allow a large and diverse set of applications to use/share/communicate via
this mechanism.

- Marc
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From: yih@tbd2.brl.mil (H u a n g Yolin )
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Summary: bar chart on X-window?
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:10:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: B R L/A R L, MD.

Date: 10 Oct 92 15:14:02 GMT
Message-Id: <19302@smoke.brl.mil>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

for that question, I got the following pointers.  sincere thanks again.
----------
1)
Try xgraph that is on export.lcs.mit.edu

credit: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer), Paul Palmer
<palmerp@MATH.ORST.EDU>

2)
"S", AT&T's implementation of the S language ("a programming environment
for data analysis and graphics")

credit: rupley@cs.arizona.edu (John Rupley), sinan@Mtesol.boeing.COM
(Sinan Karasu)

3)
ftp   vernam.cs.uwm.edu    dir (/soft-eng/xspread1.?.tar.Z )

credit: "James Jegers" <jimj@miller.cs.uwm.edu>, and one from Virginia
(lost his e-mail due to machine problem.)

4)
xmgr/xvgr on amb4.ese.ogi.edu in CCALMR/pub/acegr

credit: ajt@resmel.bhp.com.au (Andrew Telford), girou@circe.fr (Denis
Girou).

5)
Xc, The Control Panel Widget Set, on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib.

credit: courtel@geant.cenatls.cena.dgac.fr (Nicolas Courtel)
From: edwardw@xwdev.pandc.rta.oz.au (Edward Wilkson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: remote fonts
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:16:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Roads and Traffic Authority, NSW, Australia

Date: 8 Oct 92 05:05:21 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct8.050521.8505@rta.oz.au>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I have a problem which I can't quite sus out. I want to add a path to the
server's fontpath, but it's on a remote site. Is there a decent way of
doing this? Sorry if I've missed something, but I've RTFM as much as I can
and can't seem to find the solution. Xset says that the fontpath is
relative to the server, but my new fonts live on the client machine. I don't 
want to have to copy new fonts to every server machine I ever use.

BTW, I'm using X11R4. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance,

	Ed

-- 

Ed Wilkinson	RTA, Sydney, Australia		edwardw@xwdev.pandc.rta.oz.au
From: virtech!cpcahil@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU (Conor P. Cahill)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X11R5 memory leak ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:14:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Virtual Technologies Inc.

Date: 5 Oct 92 21:55:10 GMT
Message-Id: <Bvo4vz.1qv@virtech.uucp>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:

>We have an application running under twm on X11R5 (patched up to level 14, I
>believe). When the user logs out of the application, twm is also killed, and
>X is left running so the user can log in again (using xdm).
>The initial size of the X process is 3 Mbytes. After having logged in and out
>about 40 times, the memory taken by X is 6 Mbytes. This is approximately 
>75 Kbytes not being freed every time.

You could link X with our SENTINEL product which will produce a full 
memory leak report and tell you exactly where the leak is originating from.

Email for more info.

-- 
*** SENTINEL(tm) The ultimate Debugging Environment - email for more info ***

Conor P. Cahill              (703)430-9247            cpcahil@virtech.vti.com
Virtual Technologies, Inc.  46030 Manekin Plaza          Dulles, VA 20166
From: worthen@nosc.mil (Richard H. Worthen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: measure/analyze X/PEX protocol over LANs
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:28:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA

Date: 10 Oct 92 18:33:43 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct10.183343.1722@nosc.mil>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.pex,comp.windows.x


I'm looking for tools (equipment and software) to measure/analyze X 
client/server communications over ethernet LANs. I'm especially 
interested in measuring/analyzing client/server communications in 
a PEX protocol environment, i.e., 3-D requests. 

If anyone has info on this subject please respond by email. I 
will consolidate and post the response to the news group.

Thanks in advance,
Rick.
From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XDrawLine / Modula-2
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:02:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway

Date: 10 Oct 92 13:00:21 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct10.130021.23498@alf.uib.no>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


X-windows <--> Modula-2
-----------------------

I've just started on a project (Modula-2) that includes
drawing lines (graphics) on screen (in a window).

The Modula-2 compiler we use can't do that. So I have
to write the graphic routines in C and link it with 
my M-2 program.

I guess I have to write C-routines for popping up a 
drawing-window and for drawing lines in that window.


Can anyone help me????

The modula-2 compiler is: EPC Modula-2 (you've probably
never heard of that one)

I can use the Xlib, Xt and Xm  C-libraries.


Please anyone...!!


Kurt.
From: taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: mi code - Dashes lines
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:45:57 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 15 Oct 92 15:37:39 GMT
Message-Id: <5058@tivoli.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Does the X server do modulo airthmetic to deal with drawing
a very large dashed rectangle clipped by a small window?

i.e.  Does it try and plot every pixel and throw out ones that
are not in the window, or does it compute intersections and
use modulo arithmetic to compute where the dashed line should start?

My server seems very slow when doing this
and seems to suggest the former.  I was
able to speed it up considerably by computing the intersections myself
and using XDrawSegments instead.
From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.uk (Yuri Rzhanov)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Imake on DEC?
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:51:35 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Via: uk.ac.heriot-watt.physics; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:44:25 +0100
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:44:08 BST
Message-Id: <26823.9210081044@photon.phy.hw.ac.uk>


Hi X-perts,

could someone explain me how to write correct Imakefile
on DEC workstation 5000/25 ?

The problem is: I need to link some unusual libraries (like
libXpm.a, my own, etc.). On Sun, I defined them as LOCAL_LIBRARIES
and everything was fine. But on DEC, the target depends not only
on $(SRCS) but also on $(DEPLIBS) which are defined to be equal
to $(LOCAL_LIBRARIES). So every time I'm trying to build my code
it says just before linking stage that it doesn't know how to rebuild
the libraries. What should I do? Now I defined my libraries as
EXTRA_LIBRARIES, and it works (thanks God), but I have a feeling
that it's not correct. 

I'm seeking the professional advise: is it a proper way to define
alien libraries on DEC or not? If it is, why there is such a
difference with Sun? Is it possible to write an Imakefile which
will work on both platforms without alterations ? (Now I have to
include something like #ifdef SunArchitecture to do that.

Thanks in advance,
	Yuri

yuri@uk.ac.hw.phy
From: aefros@cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Processing events without XtMainLoop()
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:05:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center

Date: 7 Oct 92 16:43:00 GMT
Message-Id: <7OCT199209430974@cc.utah.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi Xperts!

I need to write a program which would draw something constantly on the screen
and process mouse events at the same time. How do you do it with Xt?
XtMainLoop doesn't work because it only processes the events and doesn't
draw anything.

Thanks for any tips!
-alyosha
From: toml@marvin.Solbourne.COM (Tom LaStrange)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: 3D Twm mode?
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:22:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:49:29 GMT
Message-Id: <BvnqqH.5uw@solbourne.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <cy5XRB1w161w@grafted.UUCP>, ziggy@grafted.UUCP (anthony lewis) writes:
|> I hope this not too basic of a question, or a "FAQ", ( I am new here.. I 
|> just got X11 running on my linux system a couple of weeks ago ! ), 
|> but I was wondering how to get "TWM" to run with the "3D" windowed effect.
|> I know it can, being there is a test user supplied with my binaries, but
|> I have no idea what the difference is!.. Thanks for any help, and I hope
|> to be here for a long time, now that I can run "X" too....

I don't know if any of the current versions do but back in early 1989 I
added 3d bevels to title bar buttons and menus.  This code was removed
when MIT took over maintenance.

--
Tom LaStrange        toml@ParcPlace.COM