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From: jflores@dcc.uchile.cl (Pepe Flores Peters)
Subject: Re: Pido Mas Info de Linux.
Originator: jflores@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:12:12 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

In article <Jan19.181251.22884@halcon.dpi.udec.cl> mriquels@condor.dpi.udec.cl (Marcelo Riquelme Salamanca) writes:
>    Hola .
>    - Donde lo obtengo?, 
> En el Meta-FAQ vienen una serie de direcciones, Cual de todas me sirve?, 

tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux
En todo caso uno debe leer el FAQ antes de meterse a instalarlo :(

>(Que se supone que es un Meta-FAQ?).
Un meta FAQ, es un docuemneto que indica donde puedes encontrar el FAQ,
y otras preguntas ma's generales sobre Linux.

>    - Como lo instalo?, 
Linux COMPLETO (linux, gcc, XWindows,etc.) ocupa unos 23 diskettes,
se instala con un programa que viene para instalarlo. Uno de esos
diskettes es especial para bootear el equipo.

> Se corre algun riesgo de perder la informacion que ya esta el el disco duro?
El riesgo se puede evitar pero la instalacion se complica. Lo comu'n es
hacer un backup de lo que tienes en el disco duro e instalar Linux desde
el comienzo. (cuando instalas tienes la opcio'n de generar una particion
DOS).

> El cambio entre un sistema operativo y otro, que tan sencillo es?
En teoria sencillo :),  pero como todas las cosas siempre algo puede 
fallar :(

> El Software que viene incluido se puede utilizar sin instalar Linux??
No. El software depende del sistema operativo.

>
>              Cualquier ayuda que me puedan dar estare muy agradecido.
>     disculpen si paresco muy ignorante en estas materias, pero soy novato
>     en cuanto a Unix se refiere.

Todos somos ignorantes en este asunto ... Linux recie'n se esta' terminando
de construir :), la mejor forma de aprender es preguntar.


Puedes encontrar toda la documentacio'n en:

tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs

En particular 
/pub/linux/docs/linux-faq.dvi  
/pub/linux/docs/linux-faq.tex  
Es el FAQ de Linux escrito en LaTeX, (muy lindo para imprimirlo.)

>                              ~  mriquels@condor.dpi.udec.cl  ~ 

Si te apuras sera's el primer Linux en Concepcio'n :-) 

Nos Vemos!!!
Newsgroups: chile.comp.pc
From: jflores@dcc.uchile.cl (Pepe Flores Peters)
Subject: FAQ: Linux
Originator: jflores@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:24:31 GMT
Distribution: chile
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

Hola!

Se encuentra disponible el FAQ de Linux en LaTeX, pueden retirarlo desde:

US:     
        tsx-11.mit.edu (18.172.1.2):
                directory /pub/linux/docs/linux-faq.tex
                directory /pub/linux/docs/linux-faq.dvi

Esta' suuuuper!!

Newsgroups: chile.comp.mac
From: italo@tolten.puc.cl (Hector Italo)
Subject: programar..!
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:38:16 GMT




		Hola ... 

	Tengo un Macintosh en mi casa y me gustaria poder hacer
	programas en el .. pero .. no se donde encontrar un buen 	
	compilador .. ni ejemplos ... ni nada ..
	
	Si alguien me pudiera decir donde encontrar documentacion .. 
	y ejemplos de programas se los agradeceria mucho ..., yo    
	tengo el inside vol 3 y 4 .. pero no me han sido lo utiles   
	que yo hubiera esperado.

Saludos Italo. 
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Coats of Arms of European Powers...
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:09:13 GMT

  This isn't about the new Balkan countries.
  What were the exact achievements for the following countries in 1900?

	Germany
	Austria
	France
	Russia
	Turkey
	Italy

  References will be helpful is the full answers are too long.  
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: aa565@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lorne Gray)
Subject: "Arms devised without authority"
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:11:31 GMT


   Henry VIII, in his commission to his Heralds authorizing
them to start the Visitations, gave them the power to
"reform all false armory and arms devised without authority"

   What is meant by "arms devised without authority"?
I have read that this shows the Royal intent that
only arms granted or confirmed by the Royal Heralds were lawful.

   I remain sceptical.  I prefer the reading that the 
Heralds were to weed out arms assumed by social climbers trying
to pass themselves off as members of the Gentry without being
up to snuff.  I think Rodney Dennys, on page 146 of "Heraldry
and the Heralds" bears this out.  Arms assumed by real 
"Gentlemen" were in theory, OK, though the Heralds would
want to check their credentials.  Does anyone have anything
that would support or demolish either interpretation?
-- 
Lorne Gray, Ottawa, Canada. aa565@freenet.carleton.ca
From: Rick.Gordon@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Gordon)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: A favor....
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:03:48

I have a "Table of Terms" which I am constructing while doing conflict checking in Renesse. If you are interested in what I have done so far I would be happy to upload the file for you.

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From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Washington
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:25:51 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan20.050802.1615@nntp.hut.fi> c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.213956.73393@evolving.com> jww@evolving.com (John W. Woolley) writes:
>
>What were
>>Washington's arms?  (Not, I presume, Gules six bars and upon a
>>canton azure thirteen mullets argent.)
>
>Surprise, surprise, the arms of G. Washington are the same as those of Wash-
>ington D.C. - Argent, two fesses Gules; in the chief three mullets of the same.

The _Oxford Guide to Heraldry_ , in its chapter on American heraldry, states:

"Five-pointed stars, or mullets as they are blazoned in England, appear in
the arms of Washington as recorded at the Heralds' Visitation of Northampton-
shire in 1619. George Washington did not record a pedigree establishing his
right to these arms by descent, although he and Heard* corresponded about his
ancestry in 1791 and 1792 and Washington used an armorial bookplate with 
these arms. He eventually appeared on an undated pedigree registered at the
College in the mid-1970s. The closest Heard got to recording Washington 
was in a pedigree of Gale which Heard witnessed on 31 December 1776, and 
which includes Washington's step-grandfather, George Gale, who married his 
grandmother, Mildred Warner."

*: Sir Isaac Heard was Bluemantle Pursuivant in 1761, Lancaster Herald in 1761,
Norroy King of Arms in 1774, Clarenceux King of Arms in 1780 and Garter King
of Arms from 1784 to his death in 1822.

By the way, mullet describes a five-pointed star with straight points. That 
is called a star (etoile) on the Continent, and a star with a hole through
it is a "molette" (whence the word mullet, I presume), or rowel of a spur. 
Woodward sides with the Continental usage: "I should be inclined to make 
the distinction consist solely in the charge being pierced or unpierced; 
in the one case a molette, or spur rowel, is obviously intended; in the 
other a star."

-- 

	Francois Velde

Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: gleason@scf16.scf.loral.com (Robert Gleason)
Subject: Trefoil Knots
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:26:53 GMT


Hello,

I'm wondering what trefoil knots symbolize in heraldry. Also, are they
particular to any specific region or country? I once heard they symbolize
the trinity but I'm not sure.

Thanks for any and all help,

Robert Gleason
From: qasama@cartan.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Eastern European Arms
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:32:41 GMT
Organization: Society for Creative Leisure
NNTP-Posting-Host: cartan.wpi.edu

In article <BRANDON.93Jan25163842@gauss.math.brown.edu> brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon) writes:
>I've been reading (and saving!) with interest the various discussions on
>the arms of various Eastern European countries and regions.  Here's a
>question --- does anyone know how old these are?  Some of the countries
>involved were indpendent for a while during the early part of the millenium
>--- did they have arms then, or were all of these invented in the 19th
>century, or some of each?  For that matter, how old are the arms of Russia
>or its cities?  Anyone know any of this stuff?

I know that the Polish coat of arms (Piast Family) was in use by the time
of the Mongolian Invasion in 1241.

John
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
John Grossi            Sophomore MIS /Eastern European History   AC Milan #1
qasama@banach.wpi.edu                                   Manchester United #1
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Genealogy newsgroup?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:01:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: fp1-dial.JBrandt-270193080519
Followup-To: rec.heraldry
Distribution: world
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-2.uoregon.edu

In article <8745@tivoli.UUCP>, carey@alta.tivoli.com (Carey Jung) wrote:
 
> Sorry for the dumb question, but does anyone know of a newsgroup devoted to
> genealogy?  I've been looking, but can't seem to find it.  

  Carey, there is no dumb qusetion un less its the one that is not asked.
Your are in luck there is a very good news group devoted to genealogy it
called soc.roots see you there?
Pegasus
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: brandon@euler.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
Subject: Re: Eastern European Arms
Organization: Brown University Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:14:31 GMT

John Grossi writes:

>I know that the Polish coat of arms (Piast Family) was in use by the time
>of the Mongolian Invasion in 1241.

Is that the same one they still use,  "Gules, an eagle displayed argent"?

			--joshua brandon
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
Subject: Eastern European Arms
Organization: Brown University Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:38:42 GMT

I've been reading (and saving!) with interest the various discussions on
the arms of various Eastern European countries and regions.  Here's a
question --- does anyone know how old these are?  Some of the countries
involved were indpendent for a while during the early part of the millenium
--- did they have arms then, or were all of these invented in the 19th
century, or some of each?  For that matter, how old are the arms of Russia
or its cities?  Anyone know any of this stuff?

			---Joshua Brandon
From: carey@alta.tivoli.com (Carey Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Genealogy newsgroup?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:41:18 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems


Sorry for the dumb question, but does anyone know of a newsgroup devoted to
genealogy?  I've been looking, but can't seem to find it.  

Thanks,
Carey

  Carey Jung                 Tivoli Systems                 carey@tivoli.com
		     ...!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!tivoli!carey
From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: "Arms devised without authority"
Followup-To: rec.heraldry
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:10:47 GMT
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-3.uoregon.edu

In article <1993Jan27.211131.18846@freenet.carleton.ca>,
aa565@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lorne Gray) wrote:
> 
> 
>    Henry VIII, in his commission to his Heralds authorizing
> them to start the Visitations, gave them the power to
> "reform all false armory and arms devised without authority"
> 
This would be the letters patent issued by Henry VIII to Thomas Benolt,
Clerenceux, on April 19th of April 1530. which can be found in .State
Letter and Papers of . . . England.
 See also .Heralds and Heraldry in the Middle Ages, An Inquiry into the
Growth of the Armorial Fuinction of Heralds. by Anthony R. Wagner, Oxford 
University Press, 1960 second ed. chapter XI "Visitations before 1530."
which may contain the answers to your querries.

Pegasus
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: cdstephe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Christopher D. Stephens)
Subject: Re: Washington
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:38:06 GMT

Washington's shield is above his cameo on the Purple Heart Medal and is
the same one described in the other 'Re: Washington' articles.
From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Coats of Arms of European Powers...
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:26:48 GMT
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan25.020913.12833@vela.acs.oakland.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:
>  What were the exact achievements for the following countries in 1900?
>
>	Germany
>	Austria
>	France
>	Russia
>	Turkey
>	Italy
>
>  References will be helpful is the full answers are too long.  

The full answers are indeed quite long.  I can think of two references:
John Woodward's A Treatise on Heraldry (1892; reprinted 1969), who gives
the national arms of most European countries (as of 1892) in his chapter
23.  Also, one may look up an old encyclopedia, such as Meyer's Lexicon,
in a pre-war edition: Meyer's usually illustrates and blazons the arms
of a country under that country's name.

Here are a few, from Woodward:
-Germany: single-headed eagle sable, armed and langued gules, over its head 
the crown of Charlemagne. On its breast an escutcheon bearing Prussia:
Argent, a single-headed eagle displayed sable, crowned, with Kleestengeln or,
armed gules, holding scepter and orb, on its breast Hohenzollern (quarterly
argent and sable).
-Austria: double-headed eagle sable, armed, beaked or, holding sword 
and orb, over its head an imperial crown. On its breast an escutcheon tierced
in pale Habsburg, Austria (Gules a fess Argent) and Lorraine (Lothringen).
On its wings the arms of various possessions (Hungary, Bohemia, etc).
-Russia: double-headed eagle sable, armed, beaked gules, holding scepter 
and orb, over its head an imperial crown. On its breast an escutcheon bearing
Moscow: Gules, St.George slaying the dragon, proper. On its wings the 
arms of various possessions (Kazan, Siberia, Poland, Finland, etc).
-Italy: Gules, a cross argent (Savoy). The flag used to be the modern flag
	with that escutcheon in the middle.
-Turkey: Gules, a crescent decrescent, and an estoile within its horns argent.
(like the modern flag).
-France: no arms to speak of after 1870. One sometimes sees The letters RF
(Republique Francaise) or on a field azure; sometimes a fasces with a liberty
cap over it and olive and oak branches around it.



-- 

	Francois Velde
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Washington
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 08:11:33

 JW> In a novel I'm reading, passing mention is given to the American
 JW> flag, whose elements [it says] are taken from those of George
 JW> Washington's armorial bearings.  Is this true?  What were
 JW> Washington's arms?  (Not, I presume, Gules six bars and upon a
 JW> canton azure thirteen mullets argent.)

 If I'm not mistaken, the Washington arms are argent two bars gules in
 chief three mullets azure (or perhaps two bars azure in chief three
 mullets gules).

 JW> Which brings up another question I had.  How do you blazon a
 JW> (large) number of charges -- like the mullets on that first U.S.
 JW> flag -- arranged in a circle?

 "In annulo", and if you want to be strict "points outward".

    Tadhg, Obelisk

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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
From: dwp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Why are Kenyans so fast and US distance runners so slow?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:53:39 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1jp38rINN9fb@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, Thomas.C.Pinckney@williams.edu writes:
> 	I am (or at least was!) a US distance runner.  I've also lived
> in Kenya about 5 out of the last 15 years, during which time I competed
> regularly in road races, on the track, and in cross country.  Some 
> observations based on this experience:
> 

{First three interesting observations deleted}
 
> 	(4) Running has become to young Kenyans what basketball is to
> inner-city Americans.  A large number of kids dream of becoming great
> runners; that is the only way for many of them ever to make more than
> $2000 per year.  
> 
I think this is a major difference between the U.S. and Kenya.  American
sports (baseball, football, basketball) require short explosive action,
so mainly athletes with these skills get any recognition (and at an early
age, I think this is important.)  Also, a frightening number of high
school distance running coaches have little or no experience.  And
cross-country/ track teams are some of the first things dropped when
schools face buget cuts.  I think the U.S. suffers a lot from poor
coaching and little recognition, especially at the important early stages.

> 	So what can be done to improve the pitiful state of US distance
> running?  Some ideas:
>
{first idea deleted}

> 	As for (3): In order to be the best in the world it is necessary
> to train with and frequently compete against the almost-best in the
> world.  What distance talent we have is spread much too thin in this
> country.  I would encourage any 22-yr old American who wants to compete
> at this level to go live in Kenya for a couple of years.  The Armed 
> Forces team is delighted to have others join them in training.
> 

Another difference between the U.S. and Kenya is that U.S. distance runners
tend to train alone or in small groups.  This may be that the U.S. government/
Olympic committee has no central training facility, while Kenya seems
content with supporting their distance runners through there Armed forces.

> 	Finally, Americans have to think higher.  Todd Williams is a fine
> runner, but he seemed satisfied to make the final and come in 10th 
> at the Olympics (he only came in 10th because Kenya couldn't send the
> next 20 runners who would have beaten him), as he was looking ahead to 
> the future.  He seemed to forget that Chelimo and Kiptanui are 2 years
> younger than he is!

Sorry, but I have to object to this, especially since it's insulting to
Williams.  From what I've read, Todd Williams definitely is seeking a
higher level.  Happy about his Olympics, yes but not satisfied.
> 
> 	Sorry for the length of this post.

You should be! It was too short!
> 
> 	Coty Pinckney			Thomas.C.Pinckney@williams.edu

                       -dp
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Subject: Re: Yet another ITB question?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:38:28 GMT

In article <93020.005135AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
|> Hey now,
|> 
|> I know lots of us have ITB problems. My current physical therapist (my
|> orthopedic sent me to this guy) is now suggesting that I have ultrasound
|> directly on the ITB. Ignoring the excessive cost of this procedure, what do
|> you think? Can this help (or hurt)? Has anyone had any success with this?
|> Thanks in advance!
|> Ramble on,  Rich

I had ITB. The therapist rubbed cream, (hydrocortisone &____)?, then 
applied ultrasound. The ITB soreness dissapeared in approx. 2 weeks.
Sooo, worked for me.

Kathy had ultrasound for hamstring soreness and she felt it was great.

We'd like to get an appliance that makes ultrasound, like a massage.
I suspect it may be dangerous if too much power is applied, ie a
hamstring needs much more to be effective than an achilles. Anyway,
I haven't seen a device available to buy.

Ray Mascia
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Why are Kenyans so fast and US distance runners so slow?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:54:21 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


>From: Thomas.C.Pinckney@williams.edu
>
>	I am (or at least was!) a US distance runner.  I've also lived
>in Kenya about 5 out of the last 15 years, during which time I competed
>regularly in road races, on the track, and in cross country.  Some 
>observations based on this experience:
> ... etc ...

Congratulations, you discovered through personal experience exactly what took
tens of thousands of dollars for the Swedish Olympic team to figure out :-}

There was an article in Running Research News a few months ago about some
Swedish researchers who took several of their runners to Kenya to compete
against the locals and then took several Kenyans to Sweden for further
research.

Bottom line: Nothing genetically special about them. It seems distance running
is Kenya's national sport and gets all the best athletes. You should have told
them and saved Swedish taxpayers some money.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
           berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach" 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: conway@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Steve Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: High-Tech Vitamins
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:34:20 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Linguistics, University of Edinburgh

>> Regarding High-Hype Vitamins; mavihoja@cscns.com (Michael D. Beatty)
>> blathers :

[Lots of pseudoscience deleted]

> Or, to just discuss the chemistry!

I'd rather talk biochemistry with someone who actually appeared to know
something about it.  Not that I'm claiming to be an expert, but I
hope I have a firmer grip on the nature of atoms, free-radicals and
cellular energy processes than Michael appears to.

>         Thanks for being there......           Michael Beatty
--
Steve Conway                              S.M.Conway@edinburgh.ac.uk
Department of Linguistics, and Centre for Speech Technology Research
Edinburgh University, Scotland
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Subject: live and learn
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:58:00 GMT

The next topic for the "You're the expert" column in FootNotes (the
quarterly newspaper of the Road Runners Club of America) is, "What do
you know now (about running) that you wish you had known earlier?"

Any thoughts?  We won't use any responses without permission.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
From: M.A.Hoyland@daresbury.ac.uk (M.A. Hoyland)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: world road/track bests
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:26:24 GMT
Organization: SERC Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.

Tony Bell asks about womens track versus road bests.
In the 10K, track best is Kristiansens 30:13.??, set in Oslo
(cool summers evening), and the road best is by Liz McColgan at 30:38
set I think in Orlando. Obviously the advantages the track affords,
is that it is dead flat, and you potentially have 20,000 screaming
fans all the way around (must give some help).
The womens track world best for ten miles has just been set at
around 55mins by Lorraine Moller (NZ), the road best is substanially
quicker, but of course this is not exactly run very often on the track.

Another point, about the Tokyo half, in second place in the
fantastic time of 60:11, was none other than Todd Williams,
of whom so much has recently been written.

Mike Hoyland jlb@uk.ac.dl.cxa