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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:38:44 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Oooh, I am such an evil bigot!

In article <1992Aug20.154031.5039@gw.wmich.edu> you write:
>Andy Freeman writes:
>> (Maybe we'll see a discussion of the superiority of the
>> preppie, or even the preppie posers.)
>
>I'm not sure I understand you here--are you implying that I'm a preppie?!

Nope.  I'm pointing out that slinging bigotry works both ways.

>And I guess the devastating failure of the Republican National Convention is
>leaving you kind of irritable

Why?  I knew that Bush was the anti-Christ before.  I'm a bit
surprised that the Clinton advocates are bent on proving that he is as
well, but that's not a "failure" of the RNC.

>And computer science juniors

who think that using a "VAX" causes spelling errors had better hope
that they can find a line of work that doesn't require significant
computer literacy.  In the best of all possible worlds, they'd end up
sanitizing telephones for people who can't figure out ATMs, but
I'm sure Daddy will provide.

-andy
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:19:00 EDT
From:         "Men-- can't live with 'em,
              can't shoot 'em" <JULIE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Somewhat Unusual "Family Values"
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Explain this to me:

We have a night in which Pat Robertson preaches homophobic swill...

In which Maralyn Quayle suggests that many women _want_ to be
homemakers and are disillusiond by having equal rights...

And in which a really large portion of the first and second families
gather on the stage to show how traditional and family-like they
are...

And the music that is played in the background during this "family"
hoopla is a theme from "La Cage Aux Folles," one of the most
wonderufully campy gay films in existence...

Well...?

Well...?

--A very perplexed Julie


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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:03:45 -0500
From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rights, rights and more rights

From: Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Rights, rights and more rights
>
>The existence of the UN charter effects neither the condition of
>natural rights (which, obviously, would obtain with or without the
>Charter) or the political and social rights in the United States
>(a sovereign entity that makes its own laws, regardless of the UN
>Charter.)

From Article VI, Section 2, US Constitution:

        "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which
        shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or
        which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States,
        shall be the supreme Law of the Land. . . ."

Jason, can you fill us in on the legislative history of the UN Charter?  Was it
recommended for ratification by the Senate and signed by the President, thereby
making it a treaty?  Are there any provisions within the Charter for a country
to decide not to abide by it (other than the Security Council veto)?

        Off the top of my head, it was recommended by the Senate and
        signed by the President, but I'm not sure if that makes it a
        treaty.  I will check.

        The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is another type of
        thing.  I am also sure that it was recommended by the Senate
        (-if that was necessary-) and signed by the President, but
        I am almost sure that this is not a treaty.  The Declaration
        is a level of standards to which the world community can
        hold its signatories.  Recall that the Eastern Bloc, Saudi
        Arabia and South Africa didn't vote affirmatively for it
        in the General Assembly.  After that some countries signed on
        and some didn't.

        I'll point out the obvious, however, that even if the Charter
        is a treaty, it is not something that any country has really
        ever taken seriously, even the US.  The most grevious
        incident in which the US blatantly disregarded it was when
        we mined the waters around Nicaragua.  Nicaragua took the
        issue to the World Court and the US was found guilty.  The
        US *is* bound by treaty to the processes and judgments of the
        World Court, but the US didn't do what it was told then.
        Only small countries, like Iraq, *really* have to follow
        the rules.

        As I said, I will get more details.

Mike McCarthy

        vox populi, vox dei-
        j.b.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:24:09 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      last convention night

Hi, y'all:
I missed the Bushmaster's speech, 'cause it was on past my bedtime.  Oh,
well, I watched Gerry Ford almost knock the microphone over, and forced
myself to listen to most of Quayle's speech.  Maybe I'm defensive or
something, but he seemed to do a good job of echoing the "we're Americans
and they're not" line.

Speaking of which -- I thought Michael Kinsely was going to punch Vin Weber
during Crossfire.  Kinsely brought up some lines from Marilyn's speech (the
ones about "not all of us believe that women can only be happy outside of
marriage" or however that went), and asked Weber whether *anyone* believed
that stuff.  Weber said he thought Clinton did.  Bummer.

On a final note:  I saw this morning that Bush used the "Clinton raised
taxes 128 times" bit.  The latest TNR had a nice analysis of that bit of
misinformation.  If anyone's interested, I can post a summary.  The bottom
line is that, if you apply the same "accounting" to Bush's 4 years, you get
somewhere in the neighborhood of 130 tax hikes on his watch.

I think we're in for a nasty and maybe even interesting horse race.

Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:24:52 BST
From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Reading List
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>I was just wondering where everyone obtains their
>information?  What magazines are read?  What
>newspapers?  What news programs are watched or
>heard?
>
>I'm just curious.
>
>
>vox populi, vox dei-
>j.b.
>
>"I am immortal and you know what I mean. . . "

The Times, Private Eye, BBC TV and ITN. My wife is fed up with my
staying to watch BBC's Newsnight at 10:30 pm, which is the world's
best TV news programme, followed by Channel Four News at 7:00 pm each
evening, from which a lot of the reports on McNeil/Lehrer are lifted.

Dunstan
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From: jbm@panix.com (John Mignault)
Subject: Re: Night 3 at the ol' RNC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:45:05 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <POLITICS%92082012513291@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:
>Roger, come on:
>
>Let's be fair.  Did *you* know whether Lawrence Welk was alive or dead
>in February of 1992?  Did *anybody*?  (other than Welk, his immediate
>family, and friends.)?

Hey, wait a minute here. Lawrence Welk represents the kind of good, wholesome
FamilyValooz(tm) entertainment that kept this kountry from going down the
drain. I think that if Bush really cared about this kountry, he'd've known
that Uncle Larry was dead. Isn't this the kulture that Pat "I Love A Man in 
A Uniform" Buchanan wants to "take back?"

Additionally, Roger is not running for president, or making statements to the
public concerning his love of Welk's music to make political points.
>
>Do you *really* expect Bush to keep track of every faded celebrity on
>the face of the planet?  That's not his job; that's Geraldo's job.

Not from a party where Reagan gets bogus quotes from Lincoln out of a copy
of 1001 Snappy Lines for the Rubber Chicken Circuit.
>
>--Missy P 2 B

John Mignault
"What a friend we have in cheeses."


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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:16:07 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      too little too late

Talk of an across-the-board tax cut is bound to be popular but it is a
simplistic strategy to grab swing votes and ignores some very real
problems:

1. how can you justify decreasing revenues when we are past our ears in
debt? If income taxes are cut you know that some other form of tax will
have to be increased to cover the shortfall.(actually, I hope we have a
longfall; it's my favorite time of year).

2. Income tax relief won't mean much to the person with no job. CNN has
reported that first time claims for unemployment were at an 11 year high
in june. Did george address unemployment, I missed his speech in favor
of some good R & B. (Sorry, Bill wasn't there to play sax!)

3. People need to be able to spend to improve the economy and the amount
of additional personal spending attributed to a tax break will be
meaningless in terms of the big picture. Business needs to increase the
salaries of employees and provide more job security. That doesn't sound
like a republican theme to me.

fred
Q: How many psyciatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Just one, but it takes a long time and the light bulb has to really
want to change.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:21:41 -0400
From:         Steve Rafferty <E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      They gotta raise; I didn't

     Here recorded are the votes for the Senate pay raise last summer
which also banned honoraria.
Source:  _Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report_  July 20, 1991

Democrats                          Republicans

Akaka                              Burns
Baucus                             Chaffee
Bentsen                            Cochran
Biden                              Craig
Bingaman                           Danforth
Boren                              Dole
Breaux                             Domenici
Burdick                            Durenberger
Byrd                               Garn
Cranston                           Gorton
Exon                               Hatfield
Harkin                             Jeffords
Inouye                             Kassebaum
Johnston                           Lott
Kennedy                            Lugar
Kerrey (Neb.)                      Murkowski
Leahy                              Roth
Lieberman                          Rudman
Metzenbaum                         Simpson
Mitchell                           Smith
Moynihan                           Stevens
Nunn                               Symms
Pell                               Thurmond
Pryor                              Wallop
Robb                               Warner
Rockefeller
Sarbanes
Simon
Wirth

Democrats  29                      Republicans    25

29/57 (50.9%) voted for            25/43 (58.1%)  Voted for
      the raise                           the raise

Though I certainly don't want to be in the position of defending
Democreeps for god's sake - those who keep railing about the
*democratic* congress voting themselves a pay raise might take
note that of the *democratic* senate a greater percentage of the
Repugnants voted for the pay raise.  Personally, I think they are
all slime, except for Jesse Helms, he's muck.

Steve
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:57:57 -0500
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject: Re: remedial civics; or moral outrage as the lingua franca of
              the gop

>Rick:
>
>I don't know where you get your information, but Kemp and Quayle are
>personal friends and political allies.
>
>--Missy P 2 B
>
>And Kemp was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They may be personal friends but I think that the days of them being
political allies may be over.  Sidney Blumenthal has an article in
the September issue of Vanity Fair on "Dan's Big Plan" in which he
reports on two incidents which show some splitting.  The first was
in a late 1991 cabinet meeting when Kemp made a dissenting point
about the budget.  Quoting Blumenthal, "...Sununu suddenly erupted:
'You're an a______,' he shouted.  'You're stupid.  You're a f___-up.
We should fire you.' (I'm editing the expletives for all the boys
and girls out there in POLITICS land)
  As the hot lava flowed, Quayle avoided Kemp's eyes.  'Quayle didn't
have the courage to weigh in,' recalls a source close to Kemp.  'This
was a low moment.'"

Later, Blumenthal writes about a snub during a Republican fundraiser
at the home of Henry Kravis:  "The vice president was the featured
speaker, and he thanked one and all for their generous gifts.  He
mentioned many names of those who had benefitted the party, but not
that of the only Cabinet secretary in the room, his 'mentor' [Kemp].
It was 'an act of pettiness,' a competitive nudge, says the source,
that Kemp could not miss."

You're correct that Kemp and Quayle used to be close allies and I
don't mean to make it sound like they're at each other's throat.  I
do think that the Quayle camp believes that Kemp is a threat to
Dan's aspirations for the presidency.

And you're correct that Kemp was great.  Even if he hadn't been the
Bills quarterback, I'd still like him.

...Rick
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:54:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      help

set politics mail
set politics repro
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:12:11 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading List

>I was just wondering where everyone obtains their
>information?  What magazines are read?  What
>newspapers?  What news programs are watched or
>heard?

  Well, *I* keep up on current events through
People Magazine.

  (with apologies to ex-brownie and activist Amy C.)

                          -T
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:57:28 EST
From:         STEVE FULTZ <IGJF400@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: In your heart, you know he's right. (NOT!)
              17 Aug 1992 12:24:39 EST from <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUP UI.EDU>

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:24:39 EST macphil said:
>
>As I recall, the numbers for Mr. Peanut were (approximately):
>
>                    Before   After
>        Prime Rate   12%       22%
>        Inflation     3.5%     14%
>

The prime rate in October of 1980 was at 12.92 by December 10, 1980 is was
at 18.02 and going up.  The rates did not go up until Carter was defeated and
it was clear that the supply side people were going to drive up the national
debt.
From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: Preview of the Convention (satire)
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:52:37 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

For those of you who can't wait, a preview of the Republican primary:


George Bush:  "I have been and will be the Environmental President!  I have
     been and will be the Education President!  I have been and will be the No
     New Taxes President!  You are better off today because of me, regardless
     of what any statistics say!  I am not a crook!"

(Thunderous applause, followed by chants of "Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!" and "Tastes
     great!  Less filling!  Tastes great!  Less filling!)

Pat Robertson:  "Capitalism is ordained by God, therefor the Republic Party is
     too!  I want you to open up your heart and vote Republican in November!"

(Some fat lady with too much makeup sings "Yes, Jesus Loves Me" and the crowd
     joins in toward the end.)

Danny Quayle:  "It's not Uncle George's fault--the Democrats in Congress didn't
     play fair!  Uncle George won fair and square, he's the leader, don't they
     know they have to do what ever he says?  So that's why you should vote for
     him--he should get another chance because Congress didn't play fair."

(Amplified muzak of easy listening tunes from the '70s.)

David Duke:  "...What we're talking about here is "traditional family values." 
     Those are the values _we_ have--if the liberals don't share our values, 
     then they don't have any at all.  I wouldn't want one living in my
     neighborhood, and I certainly don't want one of _them_ in the Presidency."

(Video promoting corporeal punishment shown.)

Danny Quayle:  "How does this country spell 'relief'?--I spell it 'G-O-R-G-E
     B-U-S-H!'"

(An assembly of Marines demonstrate how to bayonette the enemy.)

Phyllis Schaffly:  "...Barefoot and pregnant--yes, that is the best a woman
     should ever try to attain!"

(Video of an episode of _The Little Rascals_ featuring Buckwheat.)

George Bush:  "If I need to, heck, as the former director of the CIA, I can
     always fix the election so I win.  What?  This mike is on?  Heh, heh, just
     my little joke there.  Gotta test if the mike was on, heh, heh...."  (He
     goes on to say nothing of any great importance.)

(Closing music, and footage of George Bush, with his classic sweaty smirk,
     saluting the crowd.)


There you have it, in condensed form, just as its likely to occur.  Now you
have no reason to even watch it.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:43:24 CDT
From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: from the battered wives

>
>Vote JohnsoN/OlsoN in November
>
>the first candidates to return ^^^^^^^ to the campaign

"Not" symbols, why would anyone want to return "not" symbols to the
campaign?  Of course, they could refer to knots, which would refer to
Boy Scouts, sailing, or bondage.
***********

  evelyn, are you accusing tim of tying up boy scouts on sailboats? just
 where is your evidence????? it might just as well be referring to the
 tying of shoelaces, or pitching tents, or pretzels for that matter. i
 think a prompt retraction is in order, or i may be forced to take steps
 to see that justice is done.

***********
>accept No substitutes.

There don't seem to be any.
**********

  this may need to change.

**********
>
>posted by the johnsoN/olsoN campaign

Replied to by the DuNcaN/ValeNtiNe campaigN
**********

rtf, candidate for list pundit
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:40:12 BST
From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Lavatories (was Re: I know that you probably don't like people
              cro)
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[stuff deleted]
>Do you chaps have flush toilets yet?
>
>
>Jamie

I wondered what the little handle was for. Now I can pension off the
enamelled pail.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:57:38 -0500
From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Slips of the tongue

How is it that elected officials can lose the connection
between their brain and their tongue so easily.

I was reading _Newsweek_ earlier and noted that Bush,
when talking about Clinton said he was from Arkansas,
that state "between Texas and Oklahoma".  As anyone
with a map handy can tell, there are no states between
Texas and Oklahoma.

What happened?  Did Bush say this himself?  If so, how
can we re-elect him president?  How did we every elect
him in the first place?  Did someone else write it for
him?  If so, I hope s/he is fired.

Any ideas?

Jason
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From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re:      Siege Mentality
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:36:26 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92081710501139@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,         
"Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET> writes:
> morality.  And there is more.  In schools it is alright to celebrate 
> Halloween, the most holy day for Satanists, students cannot pray but they 
> can do yoga and TM and practice with the Ouija Board.  How's that for a 
> seige mentality?

The last time I checked, Satanic rituals were not being performed in school on
Halloween.  The last time I checked, you went to school on Halloween.  The
last time I checked, you got Christmas and Easter off as state-sponsored
Holidays.

Care to tell us again how Christianity's under siege?
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:40:00 CST
From:         POHENRY@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      Bush's Acceptance Speech

How about some comments on this notion?

Either George Will or Buckley alluded to the possibility that George Bush
no longer wishes to be president for any number of reasons.  It appears
that embedded in last night's speech was a longing on George's part to
withdraw from the world of politics.  His speech provided nothing other
than a rehash of his 1988 speech and themes made popular during the Reagan
administration/campaigns.  There was no new program(s) of substance, other than
the piddling 10% tax check off and freeze,which will not cut into the deficit
already existing (remember interest compounds continuosly).  He also attempted
to take credit for historical occurances that, at best, he only partially
affected.  His attacks were not new but restatements of "things" already
said.  One almost gets the feeling that George wants out but feels that the
only way out is to lose the election.  I guess those who say that Clinton
can't win the election but he sure can lose it may have a point.
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