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From: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM (elaine 'BEANO' leffler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Date: 19 Aug 1992 00:01:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.corp.sun.com

In article 180892174350@YuppieScum.dollars.dollars.COM, YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum) writes:
>I cannot understand why any man with balls would ride a Harley
>Davidson motorcycle or any other motorcycle when the PORCHE
>is clearly the thing to have.  Dump those silly toys, little
>boys and get into the real thing.  PORCHES!!!!  Harleys,
>motorcycles, hah!  Whatdayagonna put your golf clubs in?

you know, yuppie scum is right, but something is bothering me.
would the porch of choice be screened or open-air?

of course, we all know that real women prefer STOOPS.

take it to alt.forgery, yupscum.

elef
From: Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: what kind of oil needed for winter storage??
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:53:30 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Since you should change the oil
before and after storage, 
can you use a regular motor oil instead of a more
expensive motorcycle oil or mobil-1??

Yeah, yeah, I know there's still plenty of time left in the summer
here in NY...

Sidd
ssoni@csnext.colgate.edu


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From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fitting helmets
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:10:54 GMT


Jonathan E. Quist <jeq@i88.isc.com> says:

>The answer is simple:  Buy a helmet that fits properly in the first place.
>Aside from getting my hair mussed up, I've never had any marks from
>the helmet.

Of course, if you'd chosen your parents properly (as I did) and waited
long enough, you wouldn't even have to worry about getting your hair
mussed up!

- Tom "more face to wash" Maloney

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
                        DoD #614/1980 Kawasaki KZ440B

    "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (rja@sun.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet forehead welts & itching
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:37:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <3880113@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>Does anyone have any suggestions [valid, not vapid :-)] on how to alleviate
>the forehead welts and itching from certain helmets during long trips? Here
>in CA we *have* to wear them so that excludes riding w/o a brain bucket.
>
>You see, I went w/ a ZX11 pilot over to Road Rider to help him select a
>new skid lid as his old one was so loose that it threatened to spin all
>the way around when the wind resistance was great enough at triple digit
>speeds :-) ... anyway, he tried the Shoei RF200, Arai Signet and finally
>the Shoei GRV and selected the Arai Signet despite the $100 additional
>expense over the Shoei RF100 because it felt more comfortable against
>his sensitive forehead. My RF200 gets rather itchy on long trips as
>did his old Shoei RF105 or whatever it was.
>
>So, what works as far as preventing forehead welts and itching when we
>take long trips? A headband? Big hanky? Nylon stocking? Bangs? ;-)

    This is what I fucking hate about helmet laws.  Why not send
    a letter to the assholes in gov't letting them know you you feel,
    and how you will be voting against everyone who voted for the
    helmet bill?  What, you're not registered to vote?  Do it now.

    That aside, I have a similar problem with my RF200 Blaze.  I find
    that it can be alleviated somewhat by rotating the helmet forward,
    so more of the back of my neck is exposed (oh joy).  Short hair
    also helps.  Finally, don't tie the chin strap too tight.  I find
    that I have a tendency to stretch my jaw periodically, and if the
    strap is too tight, I pull the helmet down tighter around my skull,
    giving me a red spot on my forehead at the hairline.
--
Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Current Harley Craze and Women
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:46:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <daved.713803311@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

>She looked at the bike and said " If it was a harley I would ask
>you for a ride" I was shocked and insulted, ( nothing against harleys
>but I was pretty proud of my new bike) [ST1100] ...

>So I ask , what good is the harley REBEL image when it has been so
>co-opted by the fashionable yuppie society, that young mothers would 
>ask a harley owner for a ride.

There isn't anything wrong with the Harley rebel image. You just made
the mistake of supposing this young lady was talking about a ride on
your motorcycle. In fact she was telling you that that she only wanted
to be ridden by a Harley owner. It's well known that Harley owners have
much bigger dicks than Honda owners.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:14:12 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

to copy a rather creative method...

kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
]dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
]> >>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
]> >>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?
]>   Now, do you think it is shaft-effect which cancels out the counter-
]> steering input?
]>   Is this more pronounced on bikes with longer rake and trail ?
]	Bikes with more rake and trail will steer more slowly.  You
]appear to know this, yet your bike has (I presume) still not studied
]any physics.  Countersteering is not affected by a final shaft drive.
]As someone recently noted, if it were the shaft drive cancelling the
]steering effect of countersteering, it would work for one steering
]direction and not the other.  

hook...

]	More importantly, if countersteering does not work on your
]bike, you cannot steer.  Whether you directly countersteer or
]indirectly, all steering is ultimately done by countersteering.  I
]quote from Code's 'A Twist of the Wrist':
]	Countersteering is the only way you can direct a motorcycle to
]steer accurately.  This is, in fact, how you've been steering your
]motorcycle all the time, whether you knew it or not.  You cannot steer
]a motorcycle simply by leaning it.  You can get it to veer off in
]either direction by leaning your weight off to one side at low speeds,
]but that isn't steering.

line...

]	 So, this is all in your head.  Maybe your bike steers more
]slowly than another bike you've ridden, but it has little or nothing
]to do with the shaft drive.  

sinker...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:37:26 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications


In the USA you should be leaning harder for the right handers, you`ve the
camber of the road to your advantage. It's the lefts that should make you
nervous.
The other possibility is (depending on hedges/walls/armco,etc) that you can't
see quite so far round the right corner as you can round the left?


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Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:12:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <m=#nwnr.tssmith@netcom.com>, tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:
|> 
|> I'm now being quoted $532/year comprehensive, or $364/year liability
|> only.  This seems too high.
|> 

Quoted by whom?

"My momma told me: '. . . better shop around.'" -- Toni Tennille (or was
it Carley Simon?)  Anyways, that's good advice to follow when you look
for motorcycle insurance.  There are large differences in rates from 
company to company.  AMA offers insurance; there are insurance companies
that advertise in motorcycling magazines; some local agents here advertise 
motorcycle insurance.  I wound up insuring Gretchen and Harvey through 
Dairyland, but when I looked into insuring something to help my 
Ducatilust, Dairyland had one of the higher quotes, and already being a
customer didn't make any difference.  

-- 

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN     DoD# 0591 - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "What do *you* care what other people think?" -- Richard Feynman 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500  
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From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW Service Gouge?
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:37:21 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) says:
> 
> While I don't own a BMW I have a friend or two that have and your statement
> above sounds very similar to the reactions that they've had for the same
> service.  The way BMW has been related to me in that respect is that they
> are not only a classy machine but also carry a real classy price tag when it
> comes to factory authorized service 8-(...

Well, there's a difference in philosophy here. The BMW maintenance schedule
covers EVERYTHING. How many HondaYamahaKawasakiSuzuki owners change their
fork oil, and their brake fluid, every year, like they should?? The BMW
services cover these items and more; and the dealers (well, the good ones)
actually do perform the work.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Visibility
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug12.145900.5130
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <DCAMPBEL.92Aug10163233@timshel.austin.ibm.com> dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell) writes:
>In article <165vkrINNc25@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>In article 15925@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>>
>>>Face it, Chuck.  Taken as an aggregate, the human race is a stupid,
>>>sorry lot.
>>
>>NOT!
>>
>>We only get stupid when put in cages.
>
>And when we get USENET access.

And of course the logical conclusion:

	Don't ride near a cager wearing a hat.
	Don't ride near an old lady cager watching traffic through
		her steering wheel.
	And Never, Ever ride near a cager reading netnews over
		a cellular modem.

(Now there's a thought- strap a laptop to your back, with a text-to-speech
 playback, and a HUD inside the helmet.....)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
Which is worse: using vast wealth to trounce a small country on the battlefield,
or using vast wealth to trounce several countries on the basketball court?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Helmet speakers - info wanted
Organization: Are you kidding?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:25:53 GMT

In article <5498@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
+I would like to point out that anybody
+who wants high-fidelity is being silly if they expect to get it while riding
+a motorcycle.  

He's right!  It is hard to keep track of who your {girl,boy}friend is
messing around with when you are on your bike.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wbetts@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov (Betts, Wayne J.)
Subject: Does It Exist? (Jawa?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:01:00 GMT

Can anybody tell me if there has ever been a motorcycle company or model called
a Jawa or Java, or anything similar?  I think maybe it is (or was)
Czechoslovakian.  Any details would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Wayne Betts
From: turner@rastaman.llnl.gov (David Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Building Leather Suits
Keywords: zippers, crashing
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:52:48 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: turner@rastaman.llnl.gov


The recent threads about crash protection have got me thinking about my biking
apparel again.  I usually wear a thick, rather generic biker leather jacket 
and denim jeans.  I was thinking of getting some thick, rather generic biker 
leather pants.  And then crashing.  But I'm worried about the jacket "riding 
up", exposing my soft white underbelly to injury and public ridicule.  So I'm
wondering:  is it feasible to add a strong zipper, or zippers, to the bottom of
my leather jacket and the top of my soon-to-be-acquired leather pants?  And be
able to zip them together, et voila, an almost-one-piece leather riding suit.
Anybody out there in r.m ever done something like this?  I would be interested
in hearing pro/con discussion, as well as any recommendations for a place in 
the SF Bay Area that could do such a modification.  

Comments?

------------
David Turner
dturner@llnl.gov -OR- turner@rastaman.llnl.gov
(510) 422-1162   
'82 VF750S    DoD#0373
Disclaimer:  All opinions are mine.  None are theirs.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Lane Splitting
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:35:14 GMT

In article <BD.92Aug20092400@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
[...]
>Stop and go on the ramp, we were averaging about five miles an hour, and 
>two bikes go rushing past my left hand side (going minimum of forty).  My 
>impression was that they were total assholes, and pretty stupid as well.  
>I mean, the speed differential between them and the cars they were passing 
>was about 35 mph
[...]
>Hence, my dilemma.  Were they assholes, or just good lane splitters?
>-- 
>   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766

Easy call, Brice.  They were assholes, and *bad* lane splitters.  It's
not a black and white issue.  You can lane-share (the unloaded term for it)
safely, keeping a reasonable speed differential, and being extremely aware
of the possibility of a car wanting to use the part of the lane you're
about to occupy.  Violating this common-sense principle will get you
ticketed in California, if the CHP spots you.  Occasional abuse does
not damn the entire practice of lane-sharing, however.

[except in Marin County, where bike-bigoted local policy dictates that
the CHP shall suspend their consistent approach to this issue, and ticket
*any* lane-sharer]

Also, I have no sympathy for the commuting cager who is pissed off merely
because someone else is getting home faster than they are.  Fuck 'em;
they can get a motorcycle, take mass transit, or join a carpool.  Their
frustration is entirely of their own making.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Goof2 Wheel and Tires For Sale
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:33:59 -0500
Organization:  

Hi,

	I am selling a few spare Goof2 parts :

   1. Used Rear Tire : Michelin M59X 160/60 VR17 radial.  Stock tire,
      replaced after 5000 miles.  Probably a good 3000 miles or so left
      on this baby.  About 3 or 4 mm of tread left (2 is minimum
      recommended).  $30 + shipping.

   2. Used Front Wheel : Has a few small dents from an encounter with a
      pothole at high speed.  I just wanted a new one, as this one is a
      little scratched up.  Bead on tire is undamaged, and holds pressure
      at speed.  Butch Anton and others looked at it and said "Nah, don't
      even worry about it", and I probably wouldn't have if I wasn't so
      appearance-conscious.  Rotors, etc. have been removed, of course.
      $100 + shipping.

   3. Used Front Tire : Michelin A59X 120/60 VR17 radial.  Stock tire,
      decided to put stickier rubber on new wheel.  Probably has 5000
      miles left in it (3 mm compared to 1.5 recommended). $30 + shipping.
      Still attached to above wheel, with valve stem, etc, but can separate,
      if desired.
-- 
Robert H. Yang               | DoD # 0593
Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.	     | '92 CBR600F2 "It hisses on snakes."
RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU | AMA # 642916

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    future because we have seen persons change." - from "I'm OK, You're OK"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howie@che.udel.edu (Ian Howie)
Subject: Re: Cleaning O ring chains
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: whatever???
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.055835.5003@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
(Chris Behanna) writes...
>	The o-rings are rubber, a petroleum-based product.  WD-40 is a
>petroleum-based product.  The two are miscible.  The o-rings will soak up
>WD-40 and swell (a bad thing).  They will also deteriorate slightly.  Very
>bad plan.  Someone else here reported very good results using kerosene.  At
>just over $1 per gallon, it's hard to go wrong there.

All of the tech/service manuals I have seen also say the same thing. The only
problem with this approach is that lugging kerosene around in your saddlebags
on a major road trip can be a problem if the container leaks. The kerosene is
also somewhat messy to apply. Nothing quite like that great kerosene smell on
your hands..... .

The guy I bought my FJ from (for what its worth--a professional mechanic)
used and recommended *spray silicone* in the brand name of your choice. Spray
a small section of chain at a time, wait a coupla' minutes, and then wipe off
the dissolved chain crud with a cloth. A light coat on the chain after it has
been lubed also gives a water-resistant surface coating to the chain side
plates so they don't rust if your ride gets caught in the rain without a cover
or garage handy. The chain also seems to stay cleaner longer than without the
silicone.

The best part, for me anyway, is that you can easily pack a small can of
silicone, the chain lube of your choice (PJ-1 for me), and a cloth into
a half-gallon size ziploc for those road trips. Leaving the tops on the 
spray cans, and putting them in the ziploc, pretty much eliminates having
chain cleaner or lube sprayed on your luggage or clothes.

The silicone spray also has numerous other uses (gee, this is starting to
sound like one of those damn adds...8-) 8-) ) for cycles and is probably worth 
having anyway. 

Later

Ian

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Ian Howie           "Life is too short to drink bad coffee........"
(302) 292-8598   
DoD#0621
1990 FJ1200                                        howie@oscar.ccm.udel.edu     
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclists get a break.
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:29:49 GMT

>>I went to get a campus parking sticker
>>for my wife's car and my motorcycle.  The car sticker was $168
>>and the motorcycle sticker was $38 BUT because I had bought
>>the car sticker for $168, my MC was considered secondary transportation
>>and I got the MC sticker for only $5.
>
>Discrimination against bikes as primary transport again! Sickening!
>

I disagree.  A person with a car and a bike is more likely (on the
average)  to use the car more.  This is especially true during bad
weather or over the entire winter.  It is not discriminating against
bikes as primary transport (mc stickers are still way cheaper than car
stickers and the spaces are better).  It is simply an attempt to
charge based on estimated usage.  If you are already paying out
the tale for a car sticker then you deserve a break on the mc
sticker which you wont use as often.

The Red Fishnet
DoD#1919
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FAQ Error (was Re: Cleaning O ring chains)
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:42:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Aug18.160444.20183@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>All the info says use parraffin, which gets the crap off and doesnt eat the
>O-rings. Paraffin is not easy to get round my way and I'm reluctant to get 
>a load in if diesel (which I put in the Landrover anyway) does the job equally
>well.

 I've pointed out that the FAQ circulated on wrecked.motos is wrong on 
 this topic. I was glancing through it and noticed that it recommended
 against the use of Kerosene for o-ring chain cleaning. 
 
 It's dead wrong. Kerosene is a _recommended_ cleaning agent.

 Stef
--
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