From: nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng)
Subject: Re: Emery as an irritant
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.054510.10878@baron.uucp> johnlee@pnet07.cts.com (John Wiley) writes:
>
>I use a system without Kill file capability.  I've seen people yell at John
>Emery, and just saw someone plead with him.  I'm curious: has anyone tried to
>limit or revoke his net access?  He seems unwilling or unable to limit the
>size and number of his rantings, much less share them in a group with similar
>interests.

This kind of response always strikes me as hypocritical of
what 'newage' is supposed to stand for.  Where folk of the
newage are supposed to be tolerant of all beliefs, and the
newage is just a term for a big umbrella which covers an
extremely wide spectrum of beliefs, there is certainly
very little room for one person--John Emery and his beliefs.
I find it so interesting to see the newage acceptance of
people like Don Showen and his UFO / 'we create our
own reality, but *reality is* that we are descendents from
reptiles' type beliefs, but there is little room for 
John Emery to say that Jesus Christ is Lord God, and that
you can be released from bondage by submitting your life
to Him. 

Len B. accused Christians posting in t.r.na:
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You are hypocrites, vicous backstabbing little cowards who will sink to the
pit of Hell itself just to win a point. So here's a judgement for you:

	You have been judged even as you judge! Sentence will be pronounced,
	you know when, you know who, I am officially out of this disgusting
	loop...I leave it to the Man.
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The accusation that John Emery is judgemental is unfounded.
Show me one judgemental statement John has made.  John
does not consider himself superior to anyone on this newsgroup.
If you got to know John, you might be surprised to know
what his past was like.

John Emery's posts are hardly turning t.r.na into a 
'Christian' newsgroup.  He has instigated posts, 
which probably get the *most* discussion and add
flavor and variety to this group.  Issues he brings
up deal with 'truth', and 'peace', and 'path
to God';  Since typical newage beliefs say there
are many paths to God, why can't John include his.
Is it any less acceptable for John to post that
are path to God is through Jesus than for Don
Showen to post that we are descendents of a reptilian
race?

Granted there may be a more appropriate place for John
to post on *some* of his topics--he wants to talk to 
you folk on t.r.na.  He has a special place in his heart 
to speak with you.  You can either whine about his posts,
ignore his posts, or intelligently challenge his posts,
or irrationally challenge his posts.  I know John
wants you to intelligently consider and challenge his
posts in discussion that does not involve flames.
John wants intellectual conversation, not responses
such as John Wiley's.

Is there nothing good or worthwhile John can contribute
from the Christian viewpoint?  Then I would first define
newage as NOT-Christian as its first and major tenet.

Thought I would contribute my thoughts on this.

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>{crash,ucsd,ncr-sd,nosc} !baron!pnet07!johnlee   (John Wiley - San Diego, CA.)
>pnet07!johnlee@nosc.mil
>johnlee@pnet07.cts.com

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 nordenga@tc.fluke.COM
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