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From: tjoa@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Tjoa)
Subject: Optifast (Liquid diets)
Summary: Body metabolism too slow
Keywords: liquid diet body metabolism cold sex
Organization: None, whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:22:23 GMT

I originally posted this to misc.consumers...

I was wondering if anyone out there has had experiences with Optifast (or
the like) liquid diet plans.  More specifically, they say that while
on the plan, you will very likely feel cold, because your body temperature/
metabolism will be slowed down/reduced.  A friend of mine was on the plan
a few years ago (five-ish) for just long enough for her to forever be cold.
(she always cold, even if it's not too bad out)  Anyone know anything
about it, more specifically, how to correct it?  She exercises a lot already,
but it really doesn't help as much as it should, since her metabolism is
so screwed up.  I'd like to help her get it back up to speed.

Also, it would seem to me that lowering metabolism rates would be totally
dumb, after all, wouldn't you want to be burning as many calories as you
possibly could, while taking in less?  (Dumb?  Make that "beyond dumb")


-Richard
"The use of "anyone out there" is merely a rhetorical device.  Given the large
size of net-land, there is bound to be a great many people who have tried or
know about this or some other form of liquid-diet."
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: BORON instead of steroids
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:48:47 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Oct1.233136.2121@col.hp.com>, mikev@col.hp.com (Mike Vigil) writes:
> Does anyone have any information about BORON.  I'm a drug free power lifter.  
> I receive a monthly drug free power lifting magazine called "The Natural".  In 
> this magazine there was an ad for Boron.  The ad reads as follows:
> 
>   Now there is a safe and effective replacement for steroids.  Boron can 
>   increase Testosterone levels up to 300% in 14 days without the harmful 
>   side effects of steroids.
>  
>   Research by Medical scientists of the Department of Agriculture have shown
>   up to 300% increase in test subjects. 
> 
>   For Huge Increases - Order your 3 month cycle of Boron today.
>   Boron 3 month cycle Order #55001 $17.95
> 
> The name of the company is JTR LABS.
> 
> Has anyone used this product?  
> Is it as effective as they say?  
> Does it really increase the testosterone level?  
> Do you know of any harmful side effects?  If so what are they?  
> Is JTR Labs a reputable company?

From what I have read, it is nothing but shit.  Biochemically, I can't see how
it would raise testosterone levels.  The same hype revolves around Yohime.  The
only yohimbe that I have heard works is the pure yohimbine extract taken sub-
lingually (sp?).  Even then I still have my doubts about it, but I have friends
that swear by the stuff.  My opinion...don't waste your money.  I haven't seen
any research done on it other than incorporating it with carbon fibers to build
aircraft wings.  Somehow this ingesting this stuff would not excite me.
BTW...congrats to being drug free!

-Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 23:16:43 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Oct1.162745.10213@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>
>And as an aside, my understanding is that the majority of fasting-related
>deaths are due to heart attacks, but that these are due to primarily
>electrolyte imbalances, not because of damage to the heart muscle (which
>does occur--it just may not be the primary reason for the heart attack).

You're right.

I guess I was trying to recall the details of some fad diet from 20
years ago, where autopsies were done on its victims, and they found
degeneration of the heart muscle. It involved some sort of fasting,
and liquid protein, I think.

These fasting diets are somewhat intriguing, though, at least in how
they must have evolved. I suspect all the little "important" details
exist for the purpose of creating the illusion there is purpose to
it all. Otherwise, if it appeared too simple, its disciples might
lose interest.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Ephedrine and Caffeine
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:22:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep30.132233.11064
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <168726F30.RICK@ysub.ysu.edu> RICK@ysub.ysu.edu (Rick Marsico) writes:
>          Caffeine  and   ephedrine  can   increase  resting
>          metabolic  rates   and  increase   fat  metabolism
>          (7,31).   Presumably  these work  through separate
>          mechanisms  of phosphodiesterase  inhibition  (41)
>          and  Beta-adrenergic  stimulation,   respectively,

Caffeine is a phosphodiesterase inhibitor only at doses which would
kill you.  (In other words, only at preposteriously high levels
achievable only in a test tube.)  Caffeine is thought to exert
some of its effects by acting as an inhibitor of adenosine, though
even this doesn't tell us a lot, because the actions of adenosine
aren't completely characterized.  For such a well-studied and
even more widely used drug, caffeine's mechanisms of action still
elude us.

>          although both  of these substances  also stimulate
>          the release  of catecholamines which  will produce
>          additional adrenergic actions.

Yep.

>	   When administered
>          together,  the action of caffeine and ephedrine is
>          greater  than that  expected from  simply the  sum
>          effect  of the  two  drugs  and markedly  enhances
>          thermogenesis (8).

Yep.  And (believe it or not), the effects of aspirin (one or two
tablets) appears to enhance the thermogenic effect even more.  There
might really be something to this triple combination in enhancing
weight loss, although chronic aspirin ingestion tends to cause GI
bleeding and can be rough on your stomach.  In other words, I'm
_not_ recommending this, but there have been studies on just this
topic.

>          There is also some unpublished
>          data which suggests that  this combination acts as
>          a "nutrient repartitioning  agent," increasing the
>          proportion of  muscle mass and reducing  the total
>          feed   requirements    in   growing    pigs   (9).

Actually, the term "repartitioning agent" is pig-farmer jargon
in an ag-school lab coat.  It means you get leaner pork chops.
I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide whether
this has much to do with bodybuilders. :-)  These "repartitioning"
or "finishing" agents are often controversial, and some of them
can cause problems in the pigs before they get to market (lameness,
increased infections, etc.)

>          Supplements which  include ephedrine  and caffeine
>          are  being  promoted to  athletes  as  performance
>          enhancers.   Whether or not the concentration sold
>          in  various  "natural" products  can  actually  do
>          anything has  not been reported in  any scientific
>          study,   but the  athletes should  be warned  that
>          these products  may produce  a positive  drug test
>          for banned substances (27).

Yep.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat %
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:19:36 GMT
Reply-To: mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail)
Organization: Control Data Systems

In article <12100017@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, jeffs@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva) writes:
|> In misc.fitness, mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail) writes:
|> 
|>     I recently had my Body Fat % taken at my Health Club via a small
|>     computer - the Futrex 1000.  I realize that this is not the most
|>     accurate means, but it was free. ;-)  I had this done early in
|>     the morning, before I had eaten anything, though I was properly
|>     hydrated.  I knew that my % was low, but it came out to be a
|>     *whopping* 0.5%.  I know that this number is _not_ humanly possible,
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> I think that in order to have a body fat of 0.5%, you have to be
|> dead for a couple of years. Could it have been 5%, which would
|> still be extremely low?

It was 0.5% on the readout, but the person taking it "guesstimated"
me at 3.5 - 4.0%.  I read last night in RUNNING TIMES that elite
male distance runners are about 4% and at least 3% is necessary
for normal body functions.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Subject: Re: Fat Burning Primer
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.062604.10132@Princeton.EDU> rks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh K. Sitaraman) writes:
>
>7. Some person said doing exercise with breaks as being better
>for burning fat. Not true. Neither does it build stamina.
>

I wonder: are those 10-20 minute breaks making an all-day bike
ride several short rides, or can I still use it as one long
endurance ride??  To translate into running, it might be 2 minute
breaks on a 2+ hour run...

Inquiring minds want to know.

jen

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From: karlf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Karl Fengler)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:02:09 GMT
Subject: In-Line Skating...
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

Anyone out there who "Inline Skates"? (rollerblading) Haven't seen any
entries in "misc.fitness". Is there a seperste group out there somewhere?
Working out at the gym 2-3 times a week, running twice a week and blading
3-4 times a week works pretty well for a varied workout. I watch what I 
eat, but will eat most anything, usually in moderation. I'll drink a 
beer or two (3-4 at times) after I blade or run. I was about 198 lbs. at
5'11", now weigh in at 183 +/-. I felt good at 198, better at my present 
weight, especially when running. 

Anyway, if you know of a "Inline Skates" group, let me know.

Thanks...
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From: armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian)
Subject: KM Product Info?
Organization: Motorola LMPS STC
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:45:36 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness


Can anyone relate their knowledge and/or experience with a product 
called Km?     It is sold as a herbal vitamin supplement, with lots
of claims about improving your health,  increasing your lifespan,
reducing succeptibility to getting colds, etc., etc.

The claims sound too good to be true, so naturally I am skeptical.
However, I am in a position where a friend that I care about is 
getting involved as a distributor, and has asked me to try the stuff on
a 30 day "free" trial.

After three weeks, I have not noticed anything (good or bad), and now
must decide whether to continue  (ads say most users sense result
within two weeks, but some may take up to three months).  

Any advise would be appreciated.  It looks like the product is 
marketed using a pyramid-type scheme.  I would also like to advise
my friend if this is so, as they are asking for a significant
"franchise" fee for becoming a distributor.


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Xref: sparky misc.fitness:7607 rec.running:2658
From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.running
Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Shoes
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:20:50 GMT
Reply-To: karl@isgtec.com <Karl Sewlochan>
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com) wrote:
: 
: I've tried two different models of NB, and both were below average.
: I wore them out much too quickly.
: One was #996, the other (model number escapes me) was a less-expensive model.

I had 3 pairs of 966s and 967s in less than a year before I finally
gave up on New Balance (which is too bad as they used to have great
shoes).  The first pair of 966s had the stitching come apart so they
replaced them free with 967s.  This pair had the soles break open
so they replaced this pair with another 967.  These started to have their
soles break open as well.

: I've recently switched to Nike Air Pegasus running shoes.

Same here.  So far they have been pretty nice.


--
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ISG Technologies Inc.  3030 Orlando Dr. Mississauga.   Ont.  Can.  L4V 1S8
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Nordic Trac Pro Model
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:31:50 EDT
From: Charles Phillips <CPP1@psuadmin.bitnet>
Distribution: pa, nj, oh, ny

NORDIC TRAC PRO MODEL FOR SALE.. ALMOST NEW..ORIGINAL COST
$550 ASKING $450. CALL 814-865-6373(W) OR 814-238-0324 (H).
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Re: QUESTION about Vitamin C
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:20:55 GMT

In article <BvB6p5.FGr@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson) writes:
|> In article <silver.717378427@sfu.ca> silver@fraser.sfu.ca (Craig Silver) writes:
|> >        I will be doing a report in my Kinesiology course between 
|> >now and December.  The course centent is nutrition and I want to 
|> >report what is known about vitamin C.  My family doctor and a man 
|> >who ran a health food store both told me to take 1000 mg of vitamin 
|> >C an hour when fighting a cold or flu.  Yet in high school biology 
|> >text books, it states that vitamin C at those levels can kill a 
|> >person.  Is there any concusive evidence one way or the other and 
|> >if so, by what authority?
|> >
|> >Craig Silver	                	    Simon Fraser University
|> >silver@sfu.ca (Internet)	            Burnaby, B.C., Canada
|> 
|> 	There is no way in HELL that vitamin C at 1000 mg/h can kill a
|> person!  

I can testify to that.  Even since I got mononucleosis (sp?) in May, 1989, I've
been taking 2000 mg a day.  Yep, 2000 mg!  And I'm still alive too.  And since
then I've gotten 1, yes, 1 cold and it went away after about two days.  It works,
it's safe, and it's cheap.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Clenbuterol Clarification
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:59:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct5.165905.19041
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct5.133813.10035@scott.skidmore.edu> kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss) writes:
>You can't buy it legally unless a Dr prescribes it for you.

And not even then.  It's not approved for sale in the US.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen)
Subject: Re: THE WORLD'S STRONGEST MAN
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:07:15

In article <1992Sep25.035307.10683@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u921122@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Paul Adlard) writes:

Aaaarggh, deleted the stuff, use 80 cols next time PULEEZE!
Anyway, the title says it all. As it happens, I was watching the Strongest
Man of Finland event just yesterday, and to all it may concern, here goes...

The contest featured Jon-Pall Sigmarsson from Iceland - a four time Strongest
Man of the World (who narrowly won, competing outside the Championships).
The local favourite was a man called Riku Kiri, who hasn't lost to anyone
(including Sigmarsson) in a strongman contest in seven years. Kiri's best
lifts are  (they're official contest records): Bench Press: 302,5 kg, Power
Lifting Total: 1030 kg (Multiply by 2.2 to get poundages). Kiri was caught
using 'roids a few years back. After that he moved to strongman competions
(no tests). The contest featured also a couple of former powerlifting world
champions, top class bodybuilders etc. Kiri had to withdraw due to a 
hamstring injury at the last minute before the event, but it was great anyway.

The events:

	1) loading: carrying three objects ca. 10 yards to a truck, objects
	weighing 100 kg each

	2) crucifix: holding a 27.5 kg battery in front with arms straight,
	best time was about a minute

	3) car carrying: carrying an Italian "automobile" with a harness
	inside (roof was cutted off), best result 65 metres

	4) my English is inadequate to describe this event

	5) suitcases: carrying two 95 kg "suitcases" for max distance. This
	was a Sigmarsson speciality (requires great gripping strengthno
	straps allowed); Sigmarsson has carried 100kg cases for 140 metres

	6) last event was a combination of carrying a 200 case and pushing
	a car with it's front wheels lifted off the ground

I haven't seen much coverage of such events in American magazines (MuscleMag
has written about them once or twice) and I'm curious if there are such
"odd lifts" competitions in the US of A.

BTW, there's no guestion in my mind, that Mr. Kiri is the strongest man in
the world. When was the last time you saw someone repping in bench press
with 260 kg (570 lbs., easy sets of eight with the bar stopped on the chest)
This is only to promote discussion.....

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Aerobic Heart Rate Question
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:17:52 GMT

  I've recently been getting into the ins and outs or aerobic exercise and
have read some interesting things lately.  I have some questions I would be
greatfull if someone more knowledgeable then myself could point me in the
right direction.

  I've read recently that it isnt best to aerobically exercise very close
to your maximum AEROBIC heart rate since it is possible to into a slightly
anaerobic state without knowing it.  According to the reports I read this
will result in not getting the benefits of aerobics....ie fat burning or
better long haul endurance.

   I've also heard that some people because of the way their systems run
cant measure their pulse with any accuracy by a manual method....ie fingers
on the neck or wrists.  I was told this by a highschool biology teacher over
ten years back when those pulse machines you find in shopping malls first came
out.  I always measure about 60 beats per minute on my wrist and the machine
gives me anywhere from 15-20 beats more.

   I think I've been pushing myself too hard in my aerobic workouts because
it seems like I havent been losing fat and until I slowed down my endurance
as well as my post workout recovery were getting worse.  I feel better and
am getting more endurance now that Im going slower.  However, I dont want to
exercise forever.  Id like to go as high as I can and still get aerobic
benefits.  Would anyone know if I could just count my pulse on my own taking
the standard deviation I mentioned in the last paragraph into account or
would exercising change the gap between my "real" and "manually measured"
pulse rates?

   Also, are there any good books on aerobic physiology in the lay market
that are concerned with fat burning?  All I know so far is the range of
pulse rates you need to be in and that 40 minuets is ideal for burning fat.
  

Thanks

Steve R

A
A

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate dosages...
Reply-To: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:14:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.120849.4800@HQ.Ileaf.COM> doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug) writes:
> 
> Don't buy it!!!!!!
> reasons:
> 	1) Strength Systems Limited - have a past history of selling bogus
> 	    supplements! Just ask the FDA.
> 
> 	2) Vanadyl Sulfate should be taken in pure form, ie no other ingredients.
> 	   Other additives make inhibit the effects of vanadyl rather than enhance
> 	   it.  Also this is a typical marketing game played by distributors who
> 	   are attempting to market crap. 
> 
> 
> 	3) There are ditributors with better reputation who sell pure vanadyl
> 	   sulfate, such as Ultimate Strength and KAL.	
> 
> 
> 	Here are recommended dosages of vanadyl sulfate according to SportPharma
> 	a distributor of vanadyl sulfate.
> 
> 	up 10 120 lbs. 150mg
> 	120 - 150 lbs  225mg
> 	180lbs +       300mg
> 
> 
> 

*********************************************************************************

	The above dosages should have read 15.0mg, 22.5 mg and 30.0mg 
	respectively.  Sorry about that.

********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Optifast (Liquid diets)
Keywords: liquid diet body metabolism cold sex
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:35:21 GMT

Generally drastic diets dont work, because people end them and put on
weight again.  What does work are more gradual changes in lifestyle- less
eating and more exercise- that one can sustain for the rest of your life.
Even if it is just a pound loss a month, one eventually reaches their goal.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Subject: Re: Steroids
Reply-To: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.225203.2666@cs.uwp.edu> evans@cs.uwp.edu (Randy Evans) writes:
> 
> Hi did any one out there recieve an ad from Mass Machine?  They are a mail
> order steroid company.  Myself and two others friends got one, and as 
> far as we can tell there is no other connection accept we all like to work-
> out.  Has anyone delt with them?  I myself think its a scam or perhaps some
> type of government sting operation.  
> 
> Thanx for reading.
> 
> 
If this company has a Canadian address, yes it is a scam.  If the company has
a USA address, I would think that it is also a scam or sting operation since
steroids are illegal in the USA, regardless if they are being sold or used
without Dr. care.
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