From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo)
Subject: Re: : Homosexuality in Islam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:19:18 GMT

In <1992Dec16.094525@frej.teknikum.uu.se> flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:

" Hah! That's a good one. Tell me, how much of a 'generalization' is Big, Black, Lesbian?
" Really!?

   I will give you an extention to think about it yourself.

" By firm belief, I mean that I cannot find within me to _not_ believe in a God. 
" I did not say I am a religious person.

   Think of publishing your personal dictionary.

" Pardon me, but where did I mention going by the Bible when talking about
" value-set?  As I said: If you can't find it within you, no book in the world 
" is going to help you.

   You do not have to mention, but tell me did you live in the desert alone or
were you affected by the society?

" I did not say that we should _not_ have codes to judge by. I did say that I believe
" in a separation of the divine and worldy judgement though. But, when it comes to
" divine judgement of my actions, that is a matter between me and my God, not between
" me and a Book. I might read the book to ponder it's value in guiding me. But when
" I start referring to that same book to judge others, _I_ think I'd be guilty of
" assuming the role of God. You might feel big enough to wear that role. I don't.

   Do you have anything to back you up? You are already (according to you) assuming
God is suggesting how the judgements should be divided and managed and whom they
concern. Unless you have a book (or a reference) to tell you what to do about
things, whatever you might come up with might be wrong.

" But if you kill an innocent, what does that make _you_ guilty of?

   Guilty of his/her life. If it is deliberate then you are killed, otherwise,
there are other solutions (but the dead is dead,) everybody makes mistakes
however they try to avoid it, but they must do their best.

" |>    If you keep this closed minded bigoted attitude you won't be able to 
" |> appreciate what religions are all about, probably Judaism thinks that the ugly
" |> and some kinds of people are unclean. We do not. God does not give you credit
" |> for what He gave you, just for what you do (about it.)

" Please rephrase that last paragraph, it makes almost no sense.

   The ugly and black, etc. are no less than anyone else. Everyone is judged by
their own deeds, not their looks , money or prestige.

" I'd appreciate if you told me what Judaism have to do with what I said?

   They consider some kinds of people unclean, etc.

" Jihad is Holy War. Right? Isn't it possible to proclaim Jihad on something that
" mispleases your God? Self defense? Give me a break..

   Do you want to teach me my religion or what? Is not offense one way of
defense? In addition, the real definition of Jihad is struggling for the
good cause, e.g. freeing oppressed people, ridding criminals, self defense,
etc.

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