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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Oops, David (not John) Irving Predicts 'Year of the Revisionist'
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 05:11:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

David Irving is a British author of books on popular history who has long
been regarded as at least somewhat pro-Hitler in his sympathies. Now
he has cast his lot completely with those who say that "the gas chambers
never existed," and has gone on record with a bold prediction.

From the Newsletter of the "Institute for Historical Review", July-Aug., 
1992, p.5:

  Irving is convinced that the tide of history is with the Revisionists.
  "It is going to be a hot twelve months," he recently told a reporter,
  "but at the end of it all, the gas chamber legend will have vanished
  once and for all."

  Within two years, he told a meeting in Hamburg last November, "this
  myth of mass murders of Jews in the death factories of Auschwitz,
  Majdanek and Treblinka, etc. etc., which in fact never took place ...
  this horrific ghost of guilt from which the German people have 
  suffered for the last 45 years, will be laid to rest."


All right, Mr. Irving, the clock is ticking.

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"


-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
From: slinke@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Steven Linke)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part III,  Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: shades of Dr. Mengele,  human medical experimentation
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:27:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep10.164338.3461@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
>
>        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
>        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
>               WBAI-FM (99.5)
>               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
>               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707
>
>*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *
>                        (continuation)
>GARY NULL:

[Many lines of Mr. Null's conspiracy theory deleted.]

>But even if this man was on the way to proving that an immunity to
>cancer could be induced by a vaccine or by other means, how could
>he or his colleagues justify using human beings as guinea pigs ??

Assuming what Mr. Null says of the experiments is true, it would
appear that the goal was to determine the status of the patients'
immune systems.  NOT to provide "immunity" or "vaccines" to cancer.
Cancer is a disease that is caused by multiple events of DNA damage
in a cell.  The damaged cells start to divide out of control.
Injecting tissue culture cancer cells would not provide any sort of
"immunity" to cancer.  Therefore, it would appear that the entire
basis of Mr. Null's theory is in error.








-- 
Steve Linke
Salk Institute (Gene Expression Lab)
La Jolla, CA
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: John Irving Predicts 'Year of the Revisionist'
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:25:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

John Irving is a British author of books on popular history who has long
been regarded as at least somewhat pro-Hitler in his sympathies. Now
he has cast his lot completely with those who say that "the gas chambers
never existed," and has gone on record with a bold prediction.

From the Newsletter of the "Institute for Historical Review", July-Aug., 
1992, p.5:

  Irving is convinced that the tide of history is with the Revisionists.
  "It is going to be a hot twelve months," he recently told a reporter,
  "but at the end of it all, the gas chamber legend will have vanished
  once and for all."

  Within two years, he told a meeting in Hamburg last November, "this
  myth of mass murders of Jews in the death factories of Auschwitz,
  Majdanek and Treblinka, etc. etc., which in fact never took place ...
  this horrific ghost of guilt from which the German people have 
  suffered for the last 45 years, will be laid to rest."


All right, Mr. Irving, the clock is ticking.

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
From: frankred@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Martin Redington)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: U of Mich ISR (was Re: Tavistock Institute - Brainwashing Center)
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:57:57 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <18s9dlINNj3l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>Jody Fairchild says the work she did for the ISR/Survey Research
>Center was pretty innocuous. Probably so. However, the list of 
>titles I posted show quite a few that would seem to have potential
>for social manipulation. Like all those datafiles on economic
>attitudes or whatever. (I don't have the list in front of me).
>Just because nothing sinister was going on at that time on
>those particular projects doesn't mean that their hands are
>clean.

If you view this sort of information as sinister then by definition
almost any work by social psychologists is `sinister'. Almost all
forms of science are open to abuse --- you can study biochemistry/
medicine in order to develop cures for cancer, or to develop
nerve gas. Similarly, `evil' psychologists might work to subdue 
the masses, whilst `good' psychologists might work on health
education (e.g. promoting safe sex). Many of the studies you cite
in fact appear to be monitoring of public attitudes, rather than
`applied social engineering'. Without wishing to appear rude, how
much psychology have you actually studied, and what is your field
of expertise ?

In any case, none of what you say goes any way towards proving that
there is a Tavistock conspiracy, and particulary that the US and
european aristos are behind it (as a post way way back proposed)
Have you any evidence ?


                                cheers
                                      Martin.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: The Rapture!
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:11:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: alt

In article <1992Sep2.092320.6699@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>There's a bunch of big (8 1/2 x 11) stickers being stuck on everything
>in the Boston/Cambridge area that's too slow to get away.  Text follows.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>			Are You Ready for the
>			       RAPTURE?
>			  Jesus is coming on
>			     Oct 28, 1992

Holy Smokers, that dude gets around. I was in the Philippines just a few
days ago, and somebody posted the very same thing on telephone poles
all around Manila!  (No, I am *not* joking!!!!!!)




-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Newsweek Article: is Science Censored?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:52:10 GMT

'"Publicity... would certainly follow," fretted the editor of one top
journal. "A possible general panic," predicted a researcher. Both were
explaining why a a study linking childhood leukemia to flourescent
lights should not be published. That fear trumped the conclusion of
other reviewers - scientists who evaluate whether a manuscript should
be published in a journal who called the article "intriguing" and an
"extraordinary piece of deductive reasoning". The paper was rejected.'

This is the beginning on an article in the Sep. 14 of Newsweek (p. 63)
which concerns how scientific research is sometimes barred from
publication, for fear of panic and hysteria which might occur
if the conclusions would become well known. Other examples cited
include studies relating bladder and rectal cancer to chlorine in
drinking water, and bone cancer to fluoride.


-Danny Keren.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:21 PDT
Subject: Re: Doctor Green + MPD
Nf-ID: #R:92254.084043WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu:-2073630256:cdp:1299600065:000:25
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Sep 10 20:21:00 1992



This is a joke...right?

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
Subject: Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells (and everyone's freedom of speech)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:58:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Keywords:  a response to Schultz's veiled threats


In article <192bf1INN6oa@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
   schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu! (Richard Schultz) writes:

>Who is John DiNardo?  I sent e-mail asking why this material is on s.c.j.,
>and got no response.  I remember once a while back some people tried to
>track down John DiNardo or at least find out whether he exists.  Can any
>of our Bell Labs correspondents find out for us?
>
>					Richard Schultz

     Of course I exist. I don't answer every e-mail message that doesn't
     deserve an answer!  Do you think you have a right to an answer to 
     your arrogant question: "Why is this material being posted to s.c.j.?"
     You aren't the inquisitor-general of soc.culture.jewish, and you
     don't intimidate me at all with your veiled threat?  Why would
     you want to get Bell Labs to find out if I exist if you don't intend
     to threaten my right to free expression?

     The reasons for my posting this series to s.c.j. are quite obvious.
     You are insulting the memory of many victims by trying to shut me up. 

     I voluntarily did four and a half years in the Marine Corps, in part
     to defend everyone's Constitutional freedoms, and I won't let your
     childish threat scare me into relinquishing my right. 

     So when you get someone from Bell Labs to find out where I'm at --
     DO something about it!  Have me punished for speaking out.
     I've long since made contact with the American Civil Liberties Union
     in anticipation of anyone's use of gestapo tactics against my
     Constitutional rights.

         John DiNardo
From: jodyf@informix.com (Jody Fairchild)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: U of Mich ISR (was Re: Tavistock Institute - Brainwashing Center)
Summary: I hadn't noticed.
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:01:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <18hpu9INNsnc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>	[deleted stuff]
>
>>it is, but if you want to test any reasonably interesting hypothesis
>>you usually have to go and get your own, at least if you want to make
>>sure it's done properly.
>
>
>Well, I decided to go looking for some published references to verify the
>existence of this kind of material. You will recall, that the material 
>I posted featured prominently an Ann Arbor, Michigan based organization,
>the Institute for Social Research, one branch of which was the Survey
>Research Center. 

	I worked at the ISR for a few semesters, both as a telephone
	interviewer at the SRC, and as a research assistant.  The phone
	interviews, tracking, and studies I was involved in seemed 
	pretty innocuous to me.  We did a big survey of car/truck usage 
	for the department of transportation or somebody; we tried to 
	track down alumni to give us money; and I set up a database to
	handle a series of complex weekly mailings to respondents in a
	survey about PMS.  All in all, nothing that scary.  Maybe I'm 
	just not paranoid enough :) ...

>	[more deleted stuff]
>

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jody Fairchild ------ Informix Software, Inc. ------ jodyf@informix.com
                    (uunet!pyramid!infmx!jodyf)
          "A world of savagery, sorcery, and super science."
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From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Forecasters of doom
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:22:38 GMT

techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:

>forecasters of doom part 1 of 3 parts

[... stuff deleted...]

>   As a consequence of the ensuing debate over DDT and other pesticides, a 
>House subcommittee released a report in 1965 stating that THE SILENT SPRING 
>"created an atmosphere of panic, foretold an impending disaster and barely 
>mentioned the immensley useful role played by pesticides in the U.S. economy" 
>THE SILENT SPRING, the staff of the agriculture subcommittee of t he 
>Appropriations Committee wrote, was "unscientific in (a) drawing incorrect 
>conclusions from unrelated facts, and (b) making implications that are based 
>onpossibilities as yet unproved to be actual facts"

As front men for U.S. capitalism, *of course* they are going to denounce
the book! Remember the Warren Commission? Remember their conclusion?
Do you believe them too?

>    The actual facts notwithstanding, the firestorm of controversey Carson'S 
>book helped spark eventualy led to the banning of DDT in the U.S. and 
>elsewhere with harmful consequences for man and the the environment. Today, 
>three decades after the publications of THE SILENT SPRINNG, the problem that 
>carson called "the most alarming of all man's assualts upon the environment" 
>has apparently been upstaged by concerns over global warming, ozone depletion 
>, and deforestation.

I realize that the huge problems we are facing may cause you to
opt for denial as a coping mechanism, hence I hesitate to point out
the weakness of your case thus far. It may interest you to know
that one of the mechanisms adopted by people who are told they have
terminal cancer is to *deny* that they have it. So, if writing
this little treatise in three parts is helping you keep it together,
maybe I should just let it alone.



Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."
From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: RFK Killing. What REALLY Happened.
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:15:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

studier@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Jim Studier) writes:

>  Wasn't Cesar actually working for the hotel and not directly for RFK ?

yeah.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: Pat Buchannan Convention Speech
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:07:00 GMT

hcollings@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>In article <1299600063@igc.apc.org>, Christic Institute <christic@igc.apc.org> writes:
>> 
>> The quote was more like:  "The Russians have got rid of their
>> left-wingers.  Why can't we get rid of our left-wingers?"  And
>> it was Pat Roberson's speech, not Buchanan's.
>> 
>> Andy Lang
>> 
>> 
>Well does it really make a difference which one of those radical right wingers
>said it.  The point is that if Bush has croneys like this speaking at his
>national convention then with friends of the country like this who needs
>enemies.  Sounds like they want to bomb here as soon as they are finished with
>Saddam!!

Actually, Buchanan had a similar line in his speech, about how we've won the
cold war abroad and now face a war at home for the "heart and soul" of America
or something like that.

I don't know what else anyone expected ... where would fascists be without
a cold war to fight somewhere? They've got to keep the fear going, or they'll
lose their draw ...
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Friendly Fascists (but not a real option)
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:10:21 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <14SEP199213324816@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (=Black Ribbon=) writes:
writes and makes some good points but then says


> Regarding Bentsen, If you believe that any democrat (and most especially
> Bentsen) wants to overturn business as usual -- then you've already bought
> the lie. Same for any other partisan (including the gops, liberts, and
> pops). 


	Well count me among the naive if necessary but I am about as
cynical as anybody concerning the health of both major political parties.
However, I refuse to reject someone simply because of the label they wear
and think there are still those who resist the tyranny of special interest
groups and plutocracy to be found in both of those parties.  Witness
Henry B. Gonzales, Dem-Texas, who if successful in his investigation of
the Banco Nacionale de Lavaro, Atlanta branch, may see some pretty big
big names writing their memoirs from a federal pen.  Or take Jack Brooks
who has shown some courage in pursuing the Inslaw affair.
	With respect to Lloyd Bentsen, remember he is the one who 
thoroughly humiliated George Bush during his bid for a Senate seat.
(Bush was immediately appointed UN delgate to remain in the limelight).
Ross Perot, in his non-campaign, said of Bentsen that he (Perot) wouldn't
have to run if Bentsen would.  I still don't know if Perot is friend
or foe but suspect that something good lurks beneath the surface.
At any rate I have not been an avid supporter of Sen. Bentsen in the
past but wanted to make the point that as head of the Senate Finance
Committee he would not out-of-hand reject the idea of an audit of the Fed.
	Like I say, maybe I'm naive.  But I think anyone who leans in
the direction of resisting the special-interests oligarchy needs our
support and constructive criticism -- not immediate rejection regardless
of label worn.  I think those who are turned off on the political process
should seek a consensus and regain control of the government for the
people, i.e., not splinter but come together.  
>
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:48:36 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
> The government monitors Internet.
> All your names and addresses are being recorded.
> Anyone who uses alt.conspiracy will be investigated by the FBI.

Not only that, but they are also putting all of your posts on tape.
Some sites places do it every night!

-john-

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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general
Subject: Forecasters of doom
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:53:10 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

part 2 of 3 parts wrong wrong wrong...........
   Over the years , environmental luminaries have been WRONG TIME AND TIME 
AGAIN. For example, 3tanford University professor Paul Ehrlich predicted in 
his 1968 BEst Seller THE POPULATION BOMB:"In the 1970's the world will 
undergo famines----HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE are goin g to starve to 
death in spite of any crash program embarked upon now" He also warned of 
severe water shortages: "In 1984 the United States will quite  literally by 
dying of thrist."
    In an article appearing in the September 1969 issue of RAMPARTS, Ehrlich 
considered what our world would be like in 10 years if present trends were 
allowed to continue, "By September 1979, all important animal life in the sea 
was extinct," he wrote in his grim scernio. "Large areas of coastline had to 
be evacuated, as windrows of dead fish created a monumental stink."
     Never mind that such fantastic scenerios did not occur on schedule; Paul 
Ehrlich and his wife Anne unabashaedly coauthored a 1990 sequel to THE 
POPULATION BOMB entitled (what else?) THE POPULATION EXPLOSION. WHat's more, 
Paul Ehrlich is still viewed as an "expert" on population and the environment 
by the major media!
     During the first earth day event in 1970, environmentalists captured 
headlines by claiming that we were running out of time, MUCH AS THEY DO NOW. 
THE ENVIRONMENTAL HANDBOOK, which served as a manifesto for that event, 
stated unequivocally on its back cover: "1970's - THELAST CHANCE FOR A FUTURE 
THAT MAKES ECOLOGICAL SENSE(emphasis in the original 22 years ago!) Inside, 
handbook editor Garrett DE Bell reinforced this theme:"We thought that the 
one month deadline for the writing was impossible, that we could easily spend 
a year on it. BUT A YEAR IS ABOUT ONE-FIFTH OF THE TIME WE HAVE LEFT IF WE 
ARE GOING TO PRESERVE ANY KIND OF QULAITY IN OUR WORLD" (Emphasis in 
theoriginal).
     Gaylord Nelson, the founder of Earth Day, declared as far back as 1963, 
"This is America's last chance." He presumably felt the same way in 1990 when 
he co-chaired Earth Day 1990, the main umbrella group for that yearr's big 
event.
next in part 3 Hot and Cold.......

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