From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families)
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.160235.27810@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.093547.16763@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE> k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai) writes:
>
>>In article <14DEC199213373618@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
>>>In article <645@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes...
>>>| 
>>>	There is a distinction between Gay identity and Gay behaviour.
>>[...]
>>>
>>>	Gays are like Blacks in that there is something about them,
>>>irrespective of thier behaviour, which they cannot seem to change.  In 
>>>particular, Gays are sexually responsive to members of their own gender.
>>>They cannot love members of the opposite gender in the same capacity.
>>>This is a trait which they are either born with or acquire sometime before
>>>they have an awareness of it.  
>>>
>>>	Blacks cannot, without much effort, change their skin colour,
>>>and Gays cannot change their gender attraction.
>>>
>>On the contrary, I have known several "gay" people who rejected 
>>homosexual practices and are now heterosexuals. Whether or not
>>they still feel "attracted" to same gender relationships is a point
>>of debate (they claim to me that they're not). I realize that
>>"rehabilitation" is a very sore point with the gay community but
>>these people also claimed not to have been coerced. I would add
>>the "without much effort" qualification to homosexuals as well. 
>>Whether or not they were truly "gay" to begin with is a subject
>>I will gladly let others debate endlessly. I'm only trying to 
>>point out that I have known others who have had a seemingly 
>>contradictory experience.
>
>Your friends won't be the only people who thought they were gay or are
>homosexual leading heterosexual lives.  But are they being true to 
>themselves, to their spouses?  Will there be a divorce down the line
>when they realize they need to be true to themselves and who they are? Or
>will they just realize that living in the closet, living as a heterosexual
>is much easier than thinking about facing a world of people like Ted
>Krueger.. 
>
I truly can't answer whether or not these people are sincere or if the
will "re-convert" at some point. What I see emerging these days is 
a sort of gay dogma to the effect that anybody who changes their 
sexual orientation, specifically from homo to hetero, is somehow 
deluded or has been coerced into doing so by religious beliefs or
fear of persecution. I see little scientific evidence backing up these
assertions and a lot of hidden (and not-so-hidden) political motivation.
To me it seems pointless to question why it happens or whether it is
genuine. People who are unhappy in their choices will usually alter
them again in time. If someone is using this as a club to beat the 
gay community with then it's reprehensible but as i've pointed out
in many different posts my reason in broaching the subject is that
I feel it to be an uneccessary and unprovable argument. Gay rights
won't stand or fall on this issue.
>
>
>>>	Gays are like Blacks in that the hatred of them is a hatred of 
>>>their culture and behaviour.  Most people who admit to disliking Blacks
>>>admit that it has nothing to do with skin colour, but with culture.
>>>
>>I agree with this statement in as far as it goes. Most homosexuals 
>>seem to vehemently deny that such a thing as a gay "culture" exists.
>>And indeed I know homosexuals in all walks of life from totally
>>straight-appearing to flaming. Black people appears to come in several
>>flavors as well, from Clarence Thomas to Ice-T.
>
>(neither of which are too complimentary examples of people of color.. at 
>least you could have chosen someone like MLK to represent one end of the 
>spectrum..)
>
Please don't read any hidden agenda into my choices. They were just the
first two contemporary examples which popped into my head which demonstrated
the required polarity.

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