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From: platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt)
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:18:54 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug28.200600.1303@news.bucknell.edu>, motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.045100.11948@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
|> |> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> >In article <Bto14D.KDA@scd.hp.com>, brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver) writes:
|> |> >|>It the eternal quest for new and different sounds...
|> |> >|>
|> |> >|>Has anyone played around with using a bow (like that used with a violin)
|> |> >|>on a guitar?  I realize the traditional position of a guitar might make
|> |> >|>it a bit awkward, but it could generate some interesting sounds.
|> |> >|>
|> |> >|>Don't most stringed instruments use nylon strings?  Would there be an
|> |> >|>additional problem trying to use a bow on the metal strings of an
|> |> >|>acoustic or electric guitar?

Fiddles sometimes have steel strings.

|> |> >|>
|> |> >|>Thoughts or experiences?
|> |> 
|> |> >Jimmy Page used a bow on one of his Les Pauls for the song 'Kashmir'.  You
|> |> >can see this on the film "the Song Remains the Same".  The was another
|> |> >guitarist I saw recently doing this, but sadly I cannot remember who.  
|> |> >I think it was some Metal(/Glam?) band.

Page's first application of the bow was to 'Dazed and Confused.'  Got the idea
from David McCallum of all people...

Dan
From: matz@drutx.ATT.COM (MatzAD)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: A Song by  The Fixx:  Chase The Fire
Keywords: The Fixx:  Chase The Fire
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:27:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


I have become obsessed with a song on the Fixx's  'Walkabout'  recording.

The tune   "Chase the Fire"  is a *KNOCKOUT*  - the combination of 
what I describe as deep jungle rhythm and abstract-expressionist lyrics
gives me the chills every time.

Does anyone know the guitar music for this amazing piece ?

I would love some clues on how to play it.


Dave Matz
From: rudin@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: bass guitar (acoustic)
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:18:16 EDT

There may be a bass guitar newsgroup, I don't know - if there is this might
belong there....

Anyway: My uncle is interested in buying an acoustic bass guitar that also
has a pickup for amplified use. Does anyone out there have any knowledge
that would be worthwhile to pass on to him? He wants the 'best of both
worlds'. Any comments on appropriate amps would be helpful, too.

Please send me any comments you have!

Thanks,
	Sven

rudin@ohstpy.bitnet
From: acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:37:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <9208311916.AA08258@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu> brownsbe@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (bill brownsberger) writes:
>I've been fooling around with slide guitar lately and have noticed that alot
>of tab for slide uses an open tuning (ex. open E).  I was wondering if there
>are any slide players out there who use the conventional tuning and if they
>have gotten used to it.  I don't want to be in the middle of a gig and have to
>retune the guitar just for one or two songs that I play on slide.  People like
>Duane Allman probably just had another guitar that was already tuned to an open
>E so he could switch with no problem.
>
>Thanks for replies or comments,
>Bill B.

This is just what happened to me. Our band started doing Allman Bros stuff
( One Way Out, Statesboro Blues ) and it was a pain to have to retune while
the crowd and the band had to wait. I was going to go with two guitars (I
was going to get some cheap looking "K-Mart" guitar, mount a decent pickup
in it and crank up the action) but a lot of the places we play just don't
have the room for me to swap guitars very easily. So I sat down and learned
them in standard tuning. It took awhile to get some of the phrasings right
because of relative note positions but I think it worked out pretty well. I
use a bit of reverb and chorus to make up for the lack of some double notes.

Jim Feeney
From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide guitar
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:38:36 GMT
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Distribution: na
Organization: ASO IM operations


For beginning slide Arlen Roth's instructional video is very very good. It's 
called "slide guitar" :-)


--
/dave

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From: jonathan@mantis.co.uk (Jonathan Egre')
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:17:43 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94) writes:

> In article <1992Aug28.045100.11948@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.a
> > labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
> > 
> > >Jimmy Page used a bow on one of his Les Pauls for the song 'Kashmir'.  Yo
> > >can see this on the film "the Song Remains the Same".  The was another
> > >guitarist I saw recently doing this, but sadly I cannot remember who.  
> > >I think it was some Metal(/Glam?) band.
> > 
> > I think the glam band u were referring to might have been Whitesnake...
> > I recall seeing one of the film clips back abouit 5-6 years ago, and the
> > lead player was playing with a bow (Vandenberg????) certainly before Vai
> > 
> > Can't quite remember the song, 'bout the time of "Is This Love?", had 
> > Tawny Kitaen in the vid (sha-wing :-))
> 
> The song was "Still of the Night" of their self-titled album.  Adrian throws 
> little bow action in at the end of teh solo.  It's really wild!!!

(1) The correct title of the album on which "Still Of The Night" appears
    seems to be "1987", which appears on the spine and the back of my CD box
    but not the front cover.

(2) The "Still Of The Night" *video* featured David Coverdale (vocals and
    bandleader), Adrian Vandenberg (guitar), Vivian Cambell (guitar), 
    Rudy Sarzo (bass) and John Aldridge (drums).

    If my memory serves me correctly, the "Still Of The Night" *music* 
    was recorded by David Coverdale, John Scott (guitar), Neil Murray (bass)
    and someone other than John Aldridge on drums.

    Coverdale apparently sacked John Scott because his sound was too 
    derivative of other players' (including Jimmy Page's!).  
    
    Vandenberg and Cambell were Coverdale's "ideal" guitarists at the time, 
    but allegedly Cambell had a disruptive attitude, leading to him being 
    thrown out of the band.  Interestingly, Cambell is now playing with 
    Def Leppard, who have *comlimented* him on his cooperative behaviour.

    "Slip Of The Tongue" was *written* almost entirely by Coverdale and
    Vandenberg, but Vandenberg developed a hand injury before recording the
    album.  When it got to the stage where everything had been recorded 
    except for the guitar parts, and Vandenberg was still under doctor's 
    orders not to play, Steve Vai was drafted in to record the guitar parts.

(3) I have also seen the guitarist of "Mama's Boys" playing a Roland 
    guitar synthesizer with a bow.  I wouldn't call them a "glam band", 
    but then I wouldn't call Whitesnake a "glam band" either.

--
Jonathan Egre' = jonathan@mantis.co.uk = jonathan_e@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: stolen guitars
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:15:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

I had four guitars stolen (almost a year ago) and so far no trace has
turned
up, but I thought I might post this anyway. Especially anyone on the west
coast, if you see any of these, let me know:

The following instruments were stolen from my home bewteen 12:30 and 5:30
pm
on Wednesday October 16, 1991 (Tucson Police Dept. Case # 9110160606)

	1991 Michael Thames classical guitar (nylon string) 
	serial # 127
	Spruce top, braz. Rosewood back and sides (in tweed hard shell case)

	1962 Fender Stratocaster electric guitar 
	serial # 91035
	rosewood fingerboard, sunburst finish (black/red/yellow); small
 hole in pickguard, back cover missing

	1939 Epiphone Broadway f-hole arch-top acoustic/electric guitar 
	serial # 13628
	brown sunburst finish, with gold pickup and hardware

	1972 (?) Gibson ES-335-TD semi-solid body electric guitar
	serial # 120913
	red finish, pearl block inlay on fingerboard, stop tailpiece


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Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Subject: Re: Strings (was Re: Martin guitars)
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:32:49 CST

In article <1992Aug28.124005.14801@crd.ge.com>
sumrn@dssv01.crd.ge.com (Robert N. Sum) writes:
 
>
>
>  I admit, like a number of others here, I like my Guild D25 very much.
>Even though I had only been playing for about four months at the time that
>I bought it, I spent parts of about four weekends trying out lots of models
>from lots of makers.
>  Question:  As I am still pretty new to the guitar (a little over a year),
>I'm open to trying different strings.  Anyone care to suggest favorite brands?
>I've been playing mostly during church and in prayer groups, etc. so I'm
>looking for a full folk/contemporary kind of sound.  (The D25 has been good
>at this regardless of the strings that I have tried, but any extra help is
>appreciated.)
>  If you email to me, I'll post a summary in a week or so.
>
>  -- Bob
>
>==
>  sumrn@crd.ge.com
>
>  Robert Sum
>  G.E. Corp. R. & D.
>  P.O. Box 8, Rm. KW-C277
>  Schenectady, NY 12301
>
>  Tel. (518) 387-7696
>
>Please note that the "Standard Disclaimer" applies here.
 
 
Robert,
 
First off, for the kind of playing that you're doing, the dark sound of a Guild
 is going to be perfect.  As far as strings go, I've tried quite a few, but
I've settled on D'Angelico 80/20 lights.  These strings really give my
Alvarez-Yairi DY-54 a nice sound.  I've also noticed that I get a considerable
amount of playing time out of these strings compared to some of the others
that I've tried.  I liked the feel of Dean Markley Vintage Bronze Extra-Lights,
but they didn't last very long and I had tuning problems with them.  The
Martin Marquis strings are also a good choice, depending on the feel and
sound that you are looking for.
 
lateron
brian
 
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
From: AMK114@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar Refinishing (Suggestions)
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:22:11 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I am an artist/airbrushist, although it is only a hobby.  I have airbrushed
some guitars and was very pleased with the outcome.  I used ONE SHOT brand
professional signpainters enamel.  It is a little expensive but it shines
like a mirrorand is tougher than hell when dry.  One shot also makes a clear
coat that looks a mile deep if applied right.  IF you are planning to
repaint the whole guitarbe sure to do lots of sanding (400 grit and higher)
and be sure to get a good sandable primer.  I am currently going to school
in Erie, PA and am very interested in doing some more guitars.

SINCERELY YOURS, THE AIRBRUSH KID Aaron M.  Krott
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver)
Subject: Using a bow?
Summary: Using a bow on a guitar
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:26:36 GMT

It the eternal quest for new and different sounds...

Has anyone played around with using a bow (like that used with a violin)
on a guitar?  I realize the traditional position of a guitar might make
it a bit awkward, but it could generate some interesting sounds.

Don't most stringed instruments use nylon strings?  Would there be an
additional problem trying to use a bow on the metal strings of an
acoustic or electric guitar?

Thoughts or experiences?

							Brett Carver
							(707) 577-4344
							brett@sr.hp.com
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: nonstandard guitar techniques
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:07:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

all this talk of bows, drumsticks, etc, there was a gizmo called
the "gizmotron" which was invented by Godley and Creme (it 
is a thing that bolts over the bridge and buttons connected
to electric motors cause little rotating
thingies to "drive" the strings individually
for a sustained "bowed-like" effect)....supposedly this was
invented when these guys had nailed a strat to the wall and
proceded to attack it with an electric drill.....

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Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
From: crowe@steamers.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Crowe)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: BLUES AMPS
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:33:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: crowe@steamers.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: steamers

Your requirements sound very much like mine were before I got
my amp.  I ended up with a 1960 Fender Vibrosonic (essentially
a Vibroverb with no Verb).  I've had a lot of work done to
restore it, and needless to say I'm very happy with it.

Two things to think about:

	First, the speaker is VERY important to the sound, and if you
	want a good clean full throaty sound I'd highly recommend a
	JBL D-130 15" speaker.  The dynamic range is *excellent*, it
	has *a lot* of punch, and the both the bottom and top end are
	very strong compared to any 12" I've heard.

	Second, if you end up getting one of the typical two channel
	Fender amps, one regular and one vibrato, you can turn them
	into a switchable amp very easily and cleanly.  You need an
	AB box called a "Selector" from Whirlwind.  This is an active
	AB switch, so it doesn't add the pop that you get with a simple
	switch when you go between channels.  This allows you to set
	the volume and tone for each channel independently, and switch
	between them cleanly.  Very nice.

Robert
From: mohawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mohawk Dave)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Need advice: rack-mount multi-effect units
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:25:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


I've been looking around for a multi-effects (rack mount) unit, from
those that retail for about $600-$700.  I need general advice about
which ones are best in the long run; also, I have a chance to look
at someone's used GSP-21 which has been upgraded to Legend capabilities,
what is this worth (used, in good condition though)?  Also, someone 
told me that the "upgrade" does not convert it to 100% Legend equivalence,
is that true?  ("someone" always tells innacurate info).  Any quick
advice is appreciated . . . I don't wanna blow tons of money on something
like this if there's a better option available.

thanks
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:25:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

Another example of slide on a standard tuning - I believe (could be
wrong, but don't think so) that Billy Gibbons used a standard tuning
for ZZ Top's "Tush" (taking advantage of the open strings by doing the 
tune in G)...Gibbon's does use open tunings for slide in other tunes,
open E for "Just Got Paid" & the intro to "Apologies to Pearly"...I'm
sure there are a few more...

If you want to hear some reeeeally cool, not so standard slide playing,
check out Lowell George's stuff on assorted old Little Feat albums, and
also Ry Cooder (knocked me out as far back as that killer slide playing
on the Stones' "Sister Morphine" from Sticky Fingers, but of course he's
got plenty of great stuff on his own albums too...)
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Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
From: glenn@bessel.umd.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Hitting your axe with sticks
Date: 28 Aug 1992 08:16:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Someone mentioned seeing someone else play a guitar 
using drumsticks, and mentioned that the guitar had
taken a bit of a beating.

May I suggest using a ballpoint pen or other object
of similar mass and size (or perhaps one and a half
times as long)?  Get a drummer to show you how to
hold it so that you can controll huw much or how
little it bounces -- or figure it out on your own
-- and have fun trying to get your aim good enough
to play melodies as well as chords.

The effect, on a folk guitar, is similar to a
hammered dulcimer.  In fact, the first time I heard
a hammered dulcimer on the radio, I thought, "Oh drat,
someone else has already thought of my trick."  Then
I found out it was another instrument altogether, 
though played the same way.  (Come to think of it,
skip the ballpoint pens -- go to a store that sells
"traditional" instruments and get a hammer for a 
hammered dulcimer -- it'll be a good weight and
size (a little shorter than what I described but
*much* easier to hold on to).)

On an electric guitar the effect can vary from a
hammered dulcimer sound to a funky mega-delay sound
to something eerie to noise.  

Chording this way, you're likely to produce noise,
but it can be used effectively with care.  (Don't
sweat over it too hard -- relax and mess around with
it until it sounds good.  If you tense up you'll
never get it.)

Just don't go crazy trying to figure out how hammered
dulcimer players go so fast.  Do watch one sometime.

Things to keep in mind:  By controlling how much
bounce you get, you can strike clean, single notes
(sort of like a piano, which is also hammers on
strings) or, as I mentioned, get an echo effect.
By _changing_ how much bounce you get, you can make
it sound like you've got an echo pedal whose settings
change on every note, sort of.  Choose your tempos 
and rythyms with the style of play and the sound in
mind.  This won't work for some things and will sound
too normal to be worth the extra trouble for others.
Like all "special effects", use it judiciously and
use it where it'll have the most effect.  You'll get
some _great_ reactions, whether people can see what
you're doing or not.


Gosh, a post on hammers and a post on bows -- I'd 
better go plug in and play some straightforward
blues before I start feeling avant-garde or something.


D. Glenn Arthur Jr., The Human Vibrator, glenn@bessel.umd.edu
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

How much interest is there in a TV/TS newsgroup?  How many would post there?
You can send me mail anonymously at wi.2743@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (was wi.79)

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: luthe@jach.hawaii.edu (Rusty Luthe)
Subject: Re: classical guitar - anyone?
Reply-To: luthe@jach.hawaii.edu
Organization: UK/Canada/Netherlands Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:18:27 GMT

Hi Marc,

Yes, I must agree that there are not many classical players on this
system, howevere there is a move to start a classical guitar group
on the net. (YEAH!!)
I've been playing for 30 years. (shouldn't I be famous by now?) I
have an undergraduate degree in classical guitar performance from
the University of New Mexico. Spent 4 years watching Hector Garcia
drink himself to death.  But  I did manage to learn quit a lot from
him. When sober he was/is a terrific player.

Aloha,
Rusty
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: FTP help
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:53:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Just a followup - If (like me earlier on) you dont have FTP access, try this
trick.

Send a message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com, with the message body being the word
'help'. Remeber to remove your .sig as well. This lets you transfer files via
mail messages, read the message it returns to you.
	Cheers... Mike
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent)
Subject: Re: Bows
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:36:45 GMT


   All this talk about playing guitar with non-standard implements and your
sig(the bit about vibrators) reminded me of the guitarist Reeves Gabrels of 
Tin Machine.  He plays guitar with a vibrator sometimes.  Gets a wierd, cool
tremolo type sound.
  He's definetly a guitarist to check out.  He can PLAY the guitar, and on top
of that he does all this cool, strange expierimental stuff.  Really cool guitar
player!

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rblander@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Robyn Landers)
Subject: Re: Which Fender Strat is best ?
Summary: Japanese Squier Strat
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:58:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.002715.20039@wri.com> andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek) writes:
>Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my Squier, mainly because of the feel of the  
>frets. It's like a re-issue of an older strat where the frets are a little  
>leaner than those they're using now (which are practically jumbos). It  
>also has the older stock bridge assembly which I like. I might be a little  
>happier with it of the the body was a nice solid hardwood instead of ply.  
>And the pickups could be better, but they are decent, and I have yet to  
>change them.
>
>AK

	Let me further muddy the issue by pointing out that the
first Squiers were made in Japan in the mid 80s, and for a while
there ALL Fenders were made in Japan.  Yes, you young'uns, for a
couple years there were NO made-in-USA Fender guitars.  The whole
company moved to Japan.

	These earliest Squiers were actually quite decent in terms 
of components and workmanship except for the electronics:  the pickups 
were just okay and the 5-way was junk.  However the wood was fine 
(basswood, not plywood) and the hardware (tuning machines, etc),
necks and fretwork were very good as well.   The pro shop in
Toronto that I deal with occasionally tells me that these first couple
years of Japanese Squiers are actually somewhat sought-after by
people who realize that the quality was very good and the price
is low.   Hope they're right about the sought-after part -- 
I'm probably selling mine soon :-)


-----
Robyn
rblanders@math.uwaterloo.ca
	"I'm just doing my rock'n'roll duty." -- Dubois
From: philipm@papillon.ucsd.edu (The Philster)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Flamenco
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:40:02 GMT
Organization: DIP Laboratory, UCSD/SIO, La Jolla CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: papillon.ucsd.edu


I would like to find out the techniques and theory behind flamenco guitar music. I've read that special picking techniques are used (striking and other varieties)? Could someone post an informative post on Flamenco, please?

Thanks.

Phil
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar buying advice
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:57:27 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY


 
If you are looking for a steel string guitar, I'd suggest Seagull.  These
guitars claim to be hand made and are in the $175 to $500 range.  All of
the guitars that I've played have been superior to any other guitar in
that range.  Their quality tends to be like some of the $600 - $750 guitars
that I've seen.  You really get a lot of value for your buck, and they usually
have really good action (especially for the price).
 
hope this helps
 
brian