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From: deeds@oracle (Deanna J. Deeds)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Canned Cat Food--Differences
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: deeds@solaria.hac.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd] (jdt@ulysses.att.com) wrote:
: Just what is aspic, anyway?  

Gelatin.  A meat product, I think.  You get it when you make stock at least.
Makes an interesting presentation for leftovers; you put it in a pretty
jello mold.  You could probably start a discussion on rec.food.cooking...

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Deanna J. Deeds                                        deeds@solaria.hac.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mdr@netcom.com (Marc D. Rossner)
Subject: Re: Trimming claws
Organization: Taos Mountain Software
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:39:16 GMT

In article <C00KoB.1F3@news.iastate.edu>, bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn) writes:
>
> Yes!  The first time I tried to trim my kitten's claws, she screamed 
> bloody murder!  I thought I was actually hurting her.  I felt like a beast.
> Later, while she was asleep on my lap, I managed to get all her claws 
> done without her waking up once.
> 
> Methinks she doth protest too much.

Amen -- I have been trying to check the bottoms of my boys' paws when they
come in the house just to try to prevent some of the mud tracks during the
rainy season, and they go into similar histrionics. Seems strange that they
wouldn't know by now that I wouldn't POSSIBLY ever intentionally hurt them,
but I guess there are certain parts of a cats body that they are just
especially protective of.

Marc Rossner (and Vincent and Theo)
mdr@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lois@Armstrong.EDU (Lois A. Houston)
Subject: Shopping bag monsters
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:52:30 GMT

My newest kitten, Miss Kitty, was chased around the house by the dreaded
shopping bag monster last year.  I was putting away the groceries and she
had decided to investigate the inside of a plastic shopping bag to see if
it looked like a paper one, I guess.  Anyway, as she backed out of the bag,
her back leg got caught in the handle.  She got scared and started to run
away.  That mean ole bag chased her all over the house.  I laughed so hard
I couldn't move to catch her and save her from the moster.  Finally, she
hopped off the floor and the bag fell free.

She hid under the bed for 4 hours.  Wouldn't even come out for tuna.

Murphy, my other baby, just watched the whole thing and looked at me like,
"Can you believe that kid? Scared of a bag.  Humph!"

Now Missy hides whenever she hears the rattle of plastic bags.  Keeps her
from playing in the garbage, though!

Lois


-- 
Spend it while you can            |
	Money is contraband       |	Lois A. Houston
You can't take it with you        |     kilowatt!laa@armstrong.edu
	when you go --            |     lois@armstrong.edu
From: alclark@rwasic27.aud.alcatel.com ( Amy L Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re:  favorite cat/how I met my cat
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:03:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


My brother was attending college at Texas Tech University in Lubbock
Texas.  He found a small black kitten rooting in a trash dumpster.
I received the call from my brother asking me if I could keep this
cat for him "just until my brother graduated" (one more semester).
Bagheria (the cat) sat in the litterbox the entire trip when my
brother brought him to Dallas to stay with me.  They arrived, and
in walked in the cutest little piece of black fluff I ever saw.  He
(Bagheria) hissed at my other cat and then rubbed against my other
cat, hissed, rubbed, etc... as if he wanted to be friends but knew
he was supposed to act "macho" also.  Anyway, my brother had me
pegged from the start.  Baggy (Bagheria) has been with Donchu and
me for five years now.  I wouldn't give either of them up for the
world.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vleppert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Leppert)
Subject: Re: Fill Him Out Diet
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:07:14 GMT

In article <C0DHEz.DBy@news.iastate.edu> bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn) writes:
>>Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com) wrote:
>> [cat is skinny from a bug]
>>
>> So, are there any ideas on what to feed him to give him a little extra
>> heft and bulk? 
>
>There is a commercial preparation available.  I found it at a local 
>vet. (I believe it is considered "prescription", and would only be
>available at vets or similar outlets - it's likely a local vet has the
>product on display with the pet food).  The marketing target for the
>product is underweight or malnourished kittens, however it would probably 
>work for older cats, too. It's a tube (much like toothpaste) filled with 
>malty-looking high fat and sugar gunk.  A tablespoon or so of the stuff 
>probably provides as much "energy" material as an average feeding, so it 
>will increase bulk. I can probably get the name of it if you can't find it
>around. I tried the product, and the cats seem to like it if it's combined
>with their regular food, and it works.. (Worked a little *too* well for 
>one cat - gain of a full pound in two weeks - returning to a normal diet
>stabilized the weight, so I think it's directly attributable to the awful
>looking stuff.)
>
>--
>Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
>Project Vincent                                               (515) 294-4994
>                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn. 

Here's a commercial preparation available by prescription from the vet:

Pro Balance
Mix in with regular food.
Available from Smith-Kline Beecham
For periods of illness, injury, or reproduction.

Valerie
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: choose him or your cats??????
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:52:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

Don't give up your kitties for him!!  If he really loved you, he would
understand how you feel about cats and find a way to compromise.  There are
plenty of cat loving/tolerant men out there.  Would you trust someone who
didn't like cats anyway?  I am always wary of a person that my cats take a
disliking to, and vice versa.
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: littermates vs. non-littermates
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:25:12 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan11.231519.7355@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
> In article <11JAN199308185571@watson.bms.com> whitman@watson.bms.com (Debra Whitman) writes:
>>I can only tell you about littermates.  
>>I love my two boys, but if you aren't ready for a lot of running around maybe 
>>females would be better.  
> 
> We have two spayed female non-littermates who are both about 1.5 years old.
> Since they were introduced as kittens, they have slept together, washed each
> other, played together, chased each other around the house like wild fiends,
> etc. etc. So don't count on the sex making a difference to the activity levels.
> We like it this way anyway :-).
> 
> If they are very young when you bring them together, I don't think it matters
> whether they were littermates or not. Kittens tend to be very social unless
> they've been given a reason not to be (i.e. abused before you got them).

Nijinsky (aka Jinx) and Lucifer II (aka Lucy) (hey, they now have real names!)
are now 4.5 months old.  They took to Besseya (aka Bessie) immediately when
I brought her home at 2.5 months... They play and fight together, sleep
together, etc.   None of the kittens are _really_ well accepted by the
adult cats, who are tolerant but _really_ don't want to play as hard as
the kittens do.

Near as I can tell, littermates vs. non-littermates makes no difference
in how well cats get along.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: baskin@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Brenda Baskin)
Subject: Re: Trimming claws
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:41:05 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16e by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <IfGlroG00iV4Q2AWAN@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>What does she hate?  BRUSHING!!  She won't sit still for more than 20 or
>30 seconds.  She needs to be brushed badly.  Anyone have a suggestion on
>making it a pleasurable experience?  I bought one of those rakes.  She LOVED
>it the first time I used it but every time since it gets the same reaction
>as the brush.
>
>Anna

I use a soft bristle brush AND a rubber curry comb type thing.  Hartz
makes a soft bristle brush but I prefer the no name brand as the
bristles are longer and so holds more hair.  The curry comb is oval with
two rows of jagged teeth.  My cats love the soft bristle brush and come
right over when they see it.  It feels good to them and also picks up
all the loose hair.  The curry comb loosens all the dead hair and brings
them to the surface.  The two work great together.  Good thing I have
two hands!
(I use the wire brush I also tried to remove the hair from the bristle
brush.)


Brenda Baskin
From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Two Better Than One?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:02:56 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <C0p5Jr.Fuz@megatest.com>, gnelson@megatest.com (Glenn Nelson) writes:
> Probably the wrong group to ask this question!
> 
> I got Ace at the pound 3 months ago - she's now about 9 months old and
> spayed, of course. I'm gone nearly 12 hours on weekdays and I think she's
> pretty bored. When I'm home she follows me everywhere. I wonder if another
> cat would work out?
> 
> Here's a problem: when I first let her out, she immediately found two
> cats living in the back cottage. They're twice her size, but she terrorized
> them back into their house and got cornered them under the bed there.
> However, about 10 days later she was on the losing end of a fight
> (nothing serious, just two punctures on her rump) and since then
> will only go outside when I am there. She's really scared of these
> other cats, but really they're very friendly, even to her; I think
> the fight was with another cat.
> 
> A friend came over with his very friendly and very old dog. Jenny didn't
> even see my cat. Poor Ace stayed in the same room with us the whole
> time, possibly since she likes people so much, but stayed up on a counter
> where she could watch the dog, too.
> 
> So I think she likes people a lot, but doesn't like other animals.
> So folks, what do you think? Could another cat work out?
> 
> Glenn Nelson, Megatest, San Jose
> gnelson@megatest.com
> Phone: 408-441-3014


a friend of mine had the same problem.  they got pablo (the cat) a
fish tank (with fish).  she loves it.  she's not lonely anymore and
she loves to watch the fish.
i thought getting another cat was a good idea until it happened.
abby went nuts.  she hates other animals.  no question about it.
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: I need help.  My kittens like to run through my vertical blinds.
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:24:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

Maybe you should try draperies.  My cats run thru those, and make no sound.
 Some people have problems with their cats trying to climb the drapes, but
neither of mine have tried that.  Not while I'm around anyway ;-)  I
haven't seen any signs of abuse on the drapes at any rate.
Good luck!

Nancy
Calvin & Hobbes
From: sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan R. Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: early wake up calls
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfHM5FG00WBNM1_ncr
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I need advice.  My cat, Jester, has this habit of waking me up very
early in the morning.  He goes through this routine.  First he licks my
face, if that doesn't work he bats the blinds.  Then as a last resort,
he bites my nose.  Pretty nice eh.  Does anyone have suggestions as to
how to stop this habit.  I have already changed his feeding time to
after my shower instead of right when I get up, but this hasn't helped. 
I really don't want to kick him out all night, our room is the only
place where we leave the heat on.  I do lock him out once he has
succeeded in getting me out of bed before shower time, but this hasn't
helped.  HELP!  Let me know.  Thanks

Susan and Jester
From: mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Things my strange cat likes to eat!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:04:11 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Hi!

Well, my cat is a strange one!  He hates "people food" and never
begs at the table!  All he likes is Purina Cat Chow.  However,
he does like french fries!  He also likes chocolate, which I have
heard is bad for cats, so I give him a tiny bit bery rarely.  Is
this true?  Once my husband was eating a candy bar, and gesturing
with it, and our cat came up and took a bite out of it!

Also, I have a lot of roses in my yard, and I like to cut them,
hang them in the garage to dry, and put then in bowls around the
house since they smell so good.  The cat has taken a liking to
dried rose petals as well.  Are these harmful to cats?  The flowers
haven't been sprayed or anything, just dried...

Please e-mail me any advice you may have.  Thanks a lot!

Sincerely,

Michelle Berteig  mberteig@cco.caltech.edu


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: LJ01066@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: cats' eye sight
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:29:46 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: cats' eye sight
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:01:20 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Can someone explain what kind of eye sight cats have?  Do they see
colors?  Does their day/night vision differ?  Gracie stares at my hands
a lot (she knows where the petting comes from!) and I'd love to know
just what she's seeing.  She also likes to get nose-to-nose with me and
we have stare-offs (she always wins).  I'd love to know what she sees
when she looks into my eyes at close range like that.  Thanks.

Anna

"I love cats because I enjoy my home; and, little by little, they
become its visible soul."  -Jean Cocteau, French poet and filmmaker

One thing I do know is that cats cannot focus their eyes on objects
that are to close to their face so I doubt they see very much when
they are up close.


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: Cat static!
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:54:23 GMT

In article <C0FE6G.EBt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Bronwyn J. Scrutton writes:
>> but a humidifier took care of the problem (AND my dry skin!).
>
(reformatted 'cuz there weren't any EOL chars.)
>I agree that a humidifier is the best solution to problems brought on by a 
>dry room, but if you do get one, be sure to try an evaporative humidifier 
>before you get an ultrasonic one.  

I'm going to have to disagree with you here.  Ultrasonic humidifiers *do*
have problems - namely, the white  dust.  However, so do evaporative 
humidifiers.  Evaporative humidifiers recycle water, and can harbor 
bacteria and mold growth.  Think about it - this water may only be changed
every week or so, and how often do you completely clean this damp warm
environment?

Probably the most misunderstood type of humidifier is the "warm mist"
humidifier.  This is often confused with a vapourizer (which emits steam 
and can cause burns).  A warm mist humidifier boils the water to disinfect
it (eliminating the problem of emitting bacteria and molds into the air), 
and mixes the steam with filtered air to create the warm mist, thus 
eliminating the burn potential.

After doing some research into humidifiers, I have come to the conclusion
that Bionaire probably has the best and most varied warm mist humidifiers.
Bionaire has several models, and it's easy to tell them apart.  The CM-6
model, for example, is a 6 gallon model with a humidistat.  The CM-4s is
a 4 gallon model *without* a humidistat (it has a switch for high/low).

I'm fabulously happy with mine.  It works wonders.  The initial cost 
seemed a bit high for me at the beginning, but after looking around at
other humidifiers I've realized that it's really a competetive price.

--
Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
Project Vincent                                               (515) 294-4994
                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING? (ALSO: PLUG FOR IL NO-KILL SHELTER)
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:47:56 GMT

Valerie Leppert (vleppert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: 
: I'm going to make a plug for a no-kill shelter here.
: 
: Felines
: P.O. Box 268020
: Chicago, IL 60626
: (312) 465-4132
: 
: Here are the rules in their adoption agreement:
: 
: 3. I will not allow my cat at liberty outdoors.  My cat is to be on a leash,
: in a carrier, or in a safe enclosed area when out of doors. (Note: this is in
: Chicago).
: 4. I will feed my cat a wholesome and varied diet and will keep my cat clean,
                                        ^^^^^^

Huh?  My cat, along with many other cats with whom I'm familiar, don't
particularly care to have a "varied" diet.  Bonz wants me to supply him with
the food he *likes*, and nothing else.

: well-groomed and free of parasites.
: 5. I will provide my cat with prompt vet care, whenever necessary.
: 6. I will provide my cat with a yearly check-up by a vet, along with necessary
: booster shots.
: 7. If my cat is lost, I will call Felines immediately.
: 8. I WILL NOT HAVE MY CAT DECLAWED, UNLESS PERMISSION IS GIVEN BY FELINES.
: 9. If I move, I agree to notify Felines promptly of my new address and
: telephone number.
: 10. If for any reason I can no longer keep my cat, I will call Felines to mare
: arrangements to reutrn him/her.
: 11.  I hereby give Felines perission to telephone me and/or visit my residence
: during reasonable hours to check my cat.
: 
: THese guys are great, send them LOTS of money so they can keep doing such a
: good job.
: 

Sounds like borderline animal-rights Nazis to me.  And here is another example
of how reasonable, cat-loving, considerate people can differ dramatically on
basic issues.  Many of the people on the net who fall firmly into the
anti-declawing camp are also strongly in favor of a cat's right to go
outside, in spite of the statistics regarding early death due to cars, disease,
etc.  Personally, I think it much more cruel to let a cat go outdoors regularly
(although I understand why people do it; the cats like it) than it is to keep
it indoors and de-claw.

But, either way you slice it, it's a decision that should belong to the cat's
owner, and noone else.  If you feel strongly on either issue, fine, but don't
try to force your opinions down my throat, and I won't either.  Also, don't
talk to me like I'm some kind of sadist because I regard the tradeoffs involved
with de-clawing to be worth it.

BTW, none of the preceding tirade should be regarded as a flame against Valerie
or Felines ;-)
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: calico
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:14:20 GMT
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <1ifp7gINNrg0@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Karen) writes:
>Often the males in a litter with calicos will
>be  red (orange, ginger, whathaveyou).  
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^

"Marmalade" for orange tabbies :-).

This may be an English naming convention; I got it from my dad, along with
"loaf of bread position".
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Subject: Timing
Keywords: Heat, vet, hell.
Reply-To: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:06:19 GMT

I can't believe it. 
 
I called the vet yesterday to make an appointment to get my cat fixed and was told  
that the earliest I could bring her in would be this Friday.  That was fine with me.
 
Apparently someone told my cat about the call.  She went into heat last night.
 
3 days of hell, and she'll probably be all done by the time I get her to the vet.

---
Joe Lannom			    Mathematical Sciences Department
				    General Computer Support
				    Michigan Technological University
				    Houghton Mi, USA

Work: 	(906) 487-2068
	jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu    <-- NextMail Welcome
	minstrel@mtus5.edu
 
Mother nature is a cat, and we're all just suede mice in a paper bag...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:31:45 GMT

In article <1ictmoINN972@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:

>If you live in a place where outdoor cats are not
>safe, please don't commit to a new cat with unknown
>behavior patterns on the assumption that it can
>be made happy as a pure indoor cat. 

However, please check your local leash laws.  Many cities now have the same
leash law requirements for cats as *well* as dogs.  (In fact, I believe
my city has a leash law for pot-bellied pigs...)  

Also, if your cat is an indoor/outdoor cat, please consider the benefits
of having tags on some sort of safety collar.  It's becomes much more
likely that someone who finds your cat will be able to locate you and
return your pet, instead of either ignoring it or keeping it themselves.

--
Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
Project Vincent                                               (515) 294-4994
                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn.
From: kleiman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Aileen Kelmartin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Torties (was Two Siamese Cats Free to a Good Home
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: kleiman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Aileen Kelmartin)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


The vet classified my cat as a torti.  She is almost predominantly black
and orange but has a very small patch of white at the tip of her tail
and on her chest.  I had always thought that a cat with black, orange
and white was considered a calico but my vet said that she doesn't have
enough white so she is a torti.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: gck@hector.cc.bellcore.com (kemmerling,gayle c)
Subject: Re: Defense
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:14:38 GMT

In article <29108@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick) writes:
things deleted
> harm, and they are all declawed.  It was my decision to take this step, and
> I don't have to nor do I intend to explain it to anyone.
> I don't mean to come across in a negative frame of mind, but I really think
> there are other issues which involve animals as well as humans that need to
> have priority over the issue of "To declaw or not to declaw".
> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
>  KEPURR        /|    TEAL      I]   syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>             ` o.O '            []   Sid Yearick
>  MUFFIN     =(___)=  YOGI      []   David Taylor Model Basin Carderock Division
>  TIGGER   ACK!THPTPHH!  ????   []   Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000

AMEN.  

gayle and a much loved declawed Boo.