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From: jtisdel@digi.lonestar.org (J. Michael Tisdel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Riverworld (Farmer)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:17:58 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1jq9ftINN2i4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>I recently completed the first Riverworld novel, _To their Scattered Bodies
>Go_.  The whole concept is intriguing, but unfortunately, my local bookstores
>tell me the rest of the series (Starting with _The Fabulous Riverboat_) are
>out of print!  How can this be?  Anyway, I've heard rumors the story goes
>downhill from book 1: is it worth tracking it down?  Does he ever reveal the
>secrets of the Riverworld, and does the main character from book 1 ever
>triumph? (Are any of the later books even centered around him?)
>
>Mike
>-- 

Oh yes, the series should still be in print.  It doesn't go downhill but
it runs out of new ideas real fast and keeps going will all of what it
has.  Richard Burton does find out, but it is 4 more books along. The
last, "The Gods of Riverworld" will sorely test your knowledge of "Through
the Looking Glass" and "Alice in Wonderland".

All in all, a good series.  Better than some -- certainly more imaginitive.
Much better than "Dayworld".  All published novels are in the one story line
started by "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" -- the collection of short stories,
"Riverworld and Other Stories" is a parallel story but intriquing.

Look around for the books -- SF is one area where what's out of print this
month will probably be back in about 6 months.

jmt

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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Is SF imaginative?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 05:44:03 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <C1H0J7.Anz@spss.com> markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
>In article <1k27lv$f1t@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis 
>Yarvin) writes (quoting me):
>>>Gibson?  He's as ideological as they come, I'd say.  The consistent use
>>>of dystopia and moral neutrality *is* an ideological statement.
>>
>>If you think that way, _everything_ is an ideological
>>statement.  Even a romance novel is an ideological statement -
>>the author has chosen to write about beautiful healthy rich
>>white people instead of oppressed leprotic Somalians!
>
>I wouldn't go so far as that.  To me, an ideological work is saying, "This
>is the Way Things Are (socially, cosmically, whatever)".  The Way Things Are,
>as in Gibson, may be bleak and anomia-inducing.  The non-ideological work says
>"Maybe things are like this.  Or maybe not but let's check it out anyway."

Yes - but it gets a bit trickier when you're dealing with SF.

Not "The Way Things Are" vs. "The Way Things Might Be";
it's "The Way Things Might Become" vs. "The Other Way Things
Might Become," which might just be contaminated with "The Way I
Want Things To Be," or maybe "The Way Things Won't Be but
Wouldn't It Make A Cool Story Anyway."

In SF every dog gets one free bite; it's very hard to criticize
the setting premise of a story.

c
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From: steevesm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai(mat)
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:04:21 GMT

In article <C1KIC9.KGn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, pierce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gregory M. Pierce) writes:
> 							I believe Egwene
> also mentions that she found the words familiar.  So although the dagger
> may have somehow accentuated Mat's connection with the past, the connection
> existed before he came into contact with it.

Moiraine mentions throughout the books that the Old Blood still runs true
in Manethrin, and in Mat's case, what was come up with (wether on the net or
in the books I can't recall) was that the Old Blook of Manethrin was like a 
river, with it becoming branched and more and more "spread out" with the
passage of time, until it starts to flow back together, mainly in regards to
Mat.

-darkelf
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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Subject: Re: New Brust novels
Organization: fwa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:57:00 GMT

morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:

>	When is a paperback version of "The Gypsy" due out?

July.

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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Subject: SF Small Press Magazines
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:32:43 GMT

A topic which I do not remember being discussed here is the SF "small 
press", the rather extensive industry of limited circulation privately 
published magazines in the science fiction/fantasy/horror genre.  I 
have been reading _Scavenger's Newsletter_, which surveys this area, 
and have some questions:

1.  Which of the magazines do people read/recommend?  Do you recommend 
buying a sample copy or diving in with a 6-month subscription, i.e. 
can you  get a reading on a magazine from only one issue?

b)  What is the quality like?  Is this really creative stuff that the 
mainstream publishers don't understand, or is it mostly junk that 
can't get published anywhere else?  Yes, yes, I know there is no 
substitute for actually trying it, and the amount of money involved is 
not very great, but I don't really need more things I want to read 
piling up with no time to read them.  Just wanted to get the 
experience of others:  did you find these magazines to be a worthwhile 
investment of time and money, or a disappointment?

iii.  From reading _Scavenger's Newsletter_, about half of the field 
is dominated by horror, dark fantasy, and vampire stories.  This may 
just represent the bias of _Scav_ editor.  Is this the case?

4)  Is the small press the place to go to learn to write?  Does anyone 
know of any successful writers who were first published in one of 
these magazines, then went on to the mainstream press and publishing 
houses?  

-- 
--Electric Monk            (Bruce Gaede); 
                            e-mail: bjgaed@ccmail.monsanto.com

"...and then time started seriously to pass."
--Douglas Adams, _Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency_
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From: darknite@camelot.bradley.edu (John S. Novak III)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:55:15 GMT

In <1993Jan25.221339.19643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> (David Ingham) writes:

>In article <1993Jan25.183058.21079@cc.gatech.edu>, erica@cc.gatech.edu
>(Erica Liebman Sadun) wrote:
spoilers:


>> (3) Who was Mat? In rereading, I realize that he can't be King Arthur because
>> 	Art is one of the dead heroes that stops by to say hi y'all and 
>> 	call Rand Lewin.  My guess is aemon.  Clues: Red Eagle, massive
>> 	gambler and that battle scene against the thousands of ravening
>> 	trollocs.

>Mat was only made one of the heroes after he was separated from the Dagger
>by the White Tower.  Notice in the first two books he didn't show any signs
>of his luck or speaking in the old tounge.  Kind of like a time distortion.
> Maybe aemon was his great, great , great etc. grandfather.

Are you speaking about one of the characters being bound to the
Wheel, to be spit out again and again?  (This was at the end of
TGH)  I had the distinct impression that it was Perrin who was
going to be bound to the Wheel-- which makes sense, because he
doesn't seem to be a reincarnation of anyone...

Also, it doesn't seem significant that Mat would be a direct
blooded descendent of Aemon.  After centuries, the bloodlines are
so twisted that if Mat can trace a connection, damn near everyone
in the farms surrounding Emond's Field could claim kinship.  It
does seem signifcant, though, that as the Old Blood runs strong
in the Two Rivers, Two Rivers blood seems to run strong in Mat.
Like a river splitting into a thousand tributaries, and joining
back, miraculously, a mile before the delta.  Mat's own, unique
mark as being a product of the Lace of Ages.

--
"I should talk about fashion..."
          -John S. Novak III, 09-17-91
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From: smale@lheavx.gsfc.nasa.gov (Alan P. Smale)
Subject: REQUEST: Hannibal Fortune, Larry Maddock books/info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory For High Energy Astrophysics
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:20:00 GMT

One of the first SF books I ever read was "The Emerald Elephant Gambit",
number #3 in the series "Agent of T.E.R.R.A." by Larry Maddock, where
our intrepid hero Hannibal Fortune goes back to the 15th century BC
to stop a bunch of bad guys from looting Mohenjo-Daro and changing 
Earth's timeline. Now, this book is not a classic by any means; although
it fired up my imagination big-time when I first read it I can now see
what a piece of hack-work it really is ... but ...

Recently in a second-hand store in Tucson I discovered #1 in the series,
"The Flying Saucer Gambit", where our intrepid hero HF goes all the
way back in time to 1966 to thwart another dastardly plot. I bought it
for nostalgia's sake. Now I would like to get hold of the second one,

   "Agent of T.E.R.R.A. #2: The Golden Goddess Gambit" by Larry Maddock,
published in paperback by Ace Books in 1966 or 1967, G-620 in their list.

Also, if the series goes beyond 3 I'd be interested in the later books.
Willing to pay cash plus shipping, etc. 

Finally, who is this Larry Maddock person anyway? Is he real or is he
a pen-name ... I ask, because his writing reminds me very strongly of
another more famous 1960s writer. Anybody know whether Larry Maddock
wrote anything else?

	- Alan Smale.
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From: tokarj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Joyce Tokar)
Subject: Dumarest of Terra
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Summary: Please complete this list of titles
Keywords: Dumarest Tubb series titles
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:00:30 EST

I am trying to complete my "Dumarest of Terra" collection.  I have
the list of titles up to number 31.  Could anyone knowing the complete
list append the final titles (and insert the missing ones).

Thanks

01 The Winds of Gath		17 Prison of Night
02 Derai			18 Incident on Ath
03 Toyman			19 Quillian Sector, The
04 Kalin			20 Web of Sand
05 Jester at Scar		21 Iduna's Universe
06 Lallia			22 Terra Data, The
07 Technos			23 World of Promise
08 Veruchia			24 Nectar of Heaven
09 Mayenne			25 Terridae, The
10 Jondelle			26 Coming Event, The
11 Zenya			27 
12 Eloise			28 Melome
13 Eye of the Zodiac		29 Angado
14 Jack of Swords		30 
15 Spectrum of a Forgotten Sun	31 Temple of Truth, The
16 Haven of Darkness
From: tmm@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tim McCaffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Update of G. R. Dickson's Childe Cycle bibliography
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:39:20 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Devon Engineering Offices

I don't know if Dickson did it just to pull peoples legs, but
Bleys was mentioned very briefly in "The Dragon Knight" as
the teacher of Merlin.  Note: I haven't read the entire set
as yet, so maybe this is something other people would expect.

					Tim McCaffrey
From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Man of Gold, by Barker
Keywords: Tekumel, Barker, Man of Gold
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:28:35 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

> A few days ago I stumbled over a book named Man of Gold by M.A.R. Barker
> (printed in 1984 by DAW). It proclaims itself to be the first novel in a
> series set in Tekumel, Empire of the Petal Throne (seeminly based on a role-
> playing game). The world seems to be based on ancient Indian (as in India)
> culture with elaborate clan and social structures (not unlike th tsuranuanni-
> culture described by Raymond Feist, but not as militant and more versatile).
> I really liked this one a lot, it was much better than I had suspected when
> I read it was based on a role-playing game.
> As I said it is supposed to be the first of a series of books set in the
> same universe. Can anyone tell me if any of these books were actually written
> and if so what are their titles (and in case of multiple writers, their autho
> as well).
> Furthermore I'd like to hear what other though of this novel. Any response is
> welcome.
> 			-Jos
> 

      There was another entitled 'Flamesong'.  I enjoyed both books.
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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Subject: Re: PIERS ANTHONYS XANTH BOOKS????????
Organization: fwa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:56:46 GMT

krhill@naz.edu (Kenneth R. Hill) writes:

>Here you go.  Only the good ones though.
>{which means all of them.}

>1.) Spell For a Chameleon
>2.) Source of The magic.
>3.) Castle Roogna
>4.) Centaur Aisle
>5.) Ogre, Ogre
>6.) Night Mare
>7.) Dragon On A Pedestal
>8.) Crewel Lye
>9.) Golem In the Gears
>10.) Vale Of the Vole
>11.) Heaven Cent
>12.) Man From Mundania
>13.) Isle Of View
>14.) Question Quest
>15.) The Color of Her Panties 

>Just one comment if #1 was the only good one, then how come the 
>printed 14 more?  Could it be that a lot of people actually like them?


You've left out one, the latest: DEMONS DON'T DREAM.  Just out in hardcover
from Tor.

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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Keywords: Sedai, Templar, Masonry
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:50:46 GMT

(spoilers)


In article <1993Jan24.061047.18557@cc.gatech.edu> erica@cc.gatech.edu (Erica Liebman) writes:
>1. Rand, the dragon, is the son of the wife of the brother of the king
>who is the father of Lan.
>2. He has a brother who is part cousin of lan and part bad-guy/forsaken.

This is Isam; Rand is not the son of his mother Breyan but of (I
think) Tigraine.  The timing is a little peculiar, but this effects
Galad equally.

As I recall, there was some evidence that the face Isam took for his
"Lord Luc" role was in fact that of Luc, whom he killed.  Perhaps
he can only take the form of one whom he killed?  If so, this would
indicate that he killed Rand's mother, as he killed his father in
her form.  If she was Tigraine, this would be interesting -- maybe
he was trying to take out the entire royal family.

Oh, from the verse on the wall of the Fal Dara prison, he also seems
to be one of "the Shadow's hounds", along with Ordeith.  I'd like to
know what his connection is with the Aelfinn and Eelfinn, whose
tower he entered, and what game they're playing with Mat.  And why
did Luc take off for the Blight in the first place?  The whole
Isam-Luc-Tigraine-Taringail-Thom-Laman-Moiraine tangle still seems
unresolved.

>10. The three women looking over Rand at the end (where he dies, hopefull
>old) are Elayne, Min and Lanfear. Just my guess.

I'd ditch Lanfear and add Aviendha, judging by Rand's dream.  I do
hope Jordan handles Lanfear well, or we could get some serious
cliche action around Book 7.

>Well, this is what I have figured out or am wondering on.  What other topics/
>answers are there out there?

Random guess: I think Gaebril is Rahvin, from the events when Mat
delivered the letter and from Moghedien's comments on Rahvin.  As he
apparently came from the direction of the Manetheren waygate, he may
be unable to Travel, making him one of the weaker Forsaken.

>Erica

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From: knott@sfu.ca (Dave Knott)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:08:08 GMT

> In article <1993Jan25.183058.21079@cc.gatech.edu> erica@cc.gatech.edu  
(Erica Liebman Sadun) writes:
> >(4) OF course!  Gawyn == Gawain just as Galad == Galahad.  (Hit me on  
the
> >	forehead!  Egwene is besotted by Galad right now, but 10 gets you
> >	2 1/2 that she ends up with more sensible Gawyn who doesn't turn
> >	his siblings in for stealing cookies.

Actually, now that I think about it, howz about this:
	Perrin ==> Percival
	Lan ==> Lancelot
	Morgase ==> Morgaine/Morgan le Fey
	Merrilin ==> Merlin
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From: remy@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Remy Wetzels)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Jack Vance recommendations?
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:03:38 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.


In article <1088@rc1.vub.ac.be> jgpletin@rc1.vub.ac.be (Pletinckx Jurgen):
>In article <1jghug$l8@agate.berkeley.edu>, pld@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul DuBois) writes:
>> Summary pretty much says it all -- I've "done" _Araminta Station_ and
>> _Ecce and Old Earth_ and am looking for anything else noteworthy.
>> (And if anybody knows when _Throy_ is going to appear over in the US,
>> that info would be greatly appreciated)
> 
>(grin : The Dutch translation of Throy has been on sale for a while in
> our equivalent of Waldenbooks. But then, Vance seems to be very big
> with Dutch/Flemish readers.)
>

Yeah! It seems (or so Meulenhoff b.v., the only publisher of books by Vance
(translated), claims) that Vance is the best read SF-author in the Netherlands.

- Remy Wetzels

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:38:30 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.221339.19643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> (David Ingham) writes:

>Mat was only made one of the heroes after he was separated from the Dagger
>by the White Tower.  Notice in the first two books he didn't show any signs
>of his luck or speaking in the old tounge.  Kind of like a time distortion.
> Maybe aemon was his great, great , great etc. grandfather.

No, Mat does speak in the Old Tongue in the first book (it's fairly
early on when they are getting chased by trollocs - he yells a war
cry).
-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
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UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Covenant with AIDS
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:40:40 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: (David Ingham)

I have not read any Donaldson--I'm just making medical commentaries.

In article <1993Jan22.161554.15603@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, (David Ingham) writes:
>Hmmm.  I don't think the story as written would work with AIDS for
>leperosy.  I think one of the things that make leprosy work that
>would not work with AIDS is the health of the person.  With AIDS your
>health declines and you eventualy must be under constant medical
>care, there is not much the victim can do to slow down the effects of
>the disease.  With leperosy the disease is much more hidden and
>controlable by the victim.  The will of Covenant to keep up his very
>strict regiment of survival is key to the story.  So, while a story
>could be written with Covenant with AIDS ( or cancer, or herpes or
>whatever), it would not be the same story because the facts of the
>illness are different.

The course of HIV infection is not always so relentlessly glum as you
are portraying.  Those who do best have a strong will to fight the
disease, and adopt strict regimens to protect themselves and their
immune systems.  Serious threats are a constant danger by the time
the infection has progressed to what is called AIDS, but even so, it
can be a few years before constant medical attention is needed.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Bridge of Birds
Keywords: book
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:19:43 GMT
Distribution: rec

In <C17Grt.9MA@dcs.ed.ac.uk> rmv@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Robin Vickery) writes:

>I thought the sequels were no where near as good as Bridge of Birds, they
>seemed much too contrived, however that's just my opinion.

And Bridge of Birds wasn't contrived? From that point of view, I found them to
be much the same - I agree BoB is the best, but I loved them all. They do
seem to get darker in mood  with each book though.

>I particularly like the way Number Ten Ox appears to be such an innocent, but
>the way he makes friends in the city...

Yep - the book is a delight. I'm curious to know exactly what Fluttering
Butterflies involves, but that's what we have imaginations for, I suppose.

Andy
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From: user@computer.uio.no (PC Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: The the great ongoing misogyny/misandry discussion
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: UiO
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:42:32 GMT


I've read both _Native Tongue_ and _Judas Rose_ by Elgin, and found them
both
well-written, interesting and containing a lot of food for thought. I found
it difficult to like the books, however, because I found a lot of the
critisism of men true. I would still very much protest some of the impli-
cations of this future scenario (like the absence of any good male - OK,
this
could be an intentional extrapolation, as common in sf), for instance, the
extremely short time the Reaganites and Fundamentalists (the books are
written in the beginning of the Reagan aera) need to rewrite the US
constitution, making all women either playthings or work horses or both.
But
this could be taken as extrapolation (or Elgin really hates men, after all,
and maybe she has reasons to...).

To the point: the working-class males are yahoos, who want a never-bored
audience for their bragging (on the lines of: "Yeah, then I really told
that
stupid boss off. Yeah, next time I'll beat him up."), as well as playmates
and providers of extra cash. The men high up in the hierarchy play never-
ending power-games, for instance, the goverment men and leaders of the
linguist caste.

As a male of the species myself, I find that this critique strikes home to
a large extent. We are often that way. I still protest us being that way
_all_ the time, but we still often take female subservience for granted.

I know that anti-PC police out there would love to flame me for some of
this.
Well, I can assure you that I neither aspire to wimpdom nor want to say
that
all women are on the level of saints (they are not, by the way, in Elgin's
books) while we men all belong in the pit with the devils... ;->

And I must say, after reading a lot of postings on the net as a whole
(this group is not by far the worst, I'd hurry to add), that there seems to
be a lot of resentment against women among young male academics. As much
as I abhor the _excesses_ of militant left-wingers in Academe (PC), it
seems to me that at least some of us straight white guys deserve it.

Yours,

PC

PS

Feminism is not the only thing these boooks are "about". Elgin is a 
linguist, and has included much about alien-human and humanoid-non-humanoid
communication projects. Her ideas here are worth discussing some other
time.

DS
-------------
Per Christian Jorgensen
Graduate student
Department of East European and Oriental Studies
University of Oslo
Norway