HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sanner@track.physics.usfca.edu (David Sanner)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: TIN interface suggestion.
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:04:10 GMT
Organization: University of San Francisco
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


I think it would be nice if the left and right arrow keys were
used for something unique.  (Not the same as up and down arrow keys)

Suggestion 1:

Use the arrow keys to move between different levels similar to gopher.
(i.e. Left arrow selects current group at group selection level and 
 right arrow move back to group selection level from article selection)

Suggestion 2:

Use the arrow keys to move up and down page at a time similar to elm.

		
		What do you think?  Which is better?   Any others?
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: notes@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Notes Administrator)
Subject: Read News from PC?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:37:30 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Is there a way to read News directly from a pc?

I have users accessing News remotely, but from workstations and other systems
using rtin.  Is there a popular News reader available for a pc?  I'm also    
wondering how I would give them access to our News hub.  Would I put their
ip address in the nntp_access file on the hub?

Thanks much for anything,

Sherri Cornejo
Roseville - HP
email = sherric@hprpcd.rose.hp.com
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: PICO and TIN
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:51:33 GMT

JH> == Jason Haar <cctr127@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>

 JH> It works better than that - what version of pico are you using? Here
 JH> the "+4" qualifier does make pico start on the fourth line... (this is
 JH> pico from pine3.05.tar.Z)

pico from pine 2.x didn't respect the +# convention.  (This was a lose.)

pico from pine 3.x does.  (This is a win.)

Upgrade.  pine3 also does some MIME, IMHO a big win.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:42:42 GMT

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
:
: Earlier this evening I compiled and installed tin 1.1 PL8 ...
: No sooner had I installed it, however, than I started
: receiving complaints from my users about key settings changing,
: specifically "t" and "T".

'T' was changed to 't' so that tagging an article would be more
consistent between tin & elm.

: There it is, listed in CHANGES, but buried in between the rest of the
: fixes in declarations and platform idiosyncrasies.

If I take the time to carefully document all the changes, why can't
you take the time to carefully read them?

: First "f" and "F" get swapped, and now this.  Does anyone actually 
: want changes like these made?

'f' <-> 'F' and 'r' <-> 'R' were changed only after I had:
1. Posted a question to news.software.readers asking for users
   opinions. The majority saw the logic in my suggestion.
2. I watched my own users for a periodand then consulted them.

Iain

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From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: nn for rs6000
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:51:58 GMT
Distribution: news
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: leonard

Is there a nn reader available for the RS6000?

leonard

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch)
Subject: Re: Branch Killing
Organization: TQM Communications, London, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:25:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.172122.16349@orbital.demon.co.uk> steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch) writes:
>The most useful feature I'd like in a newsreader [this is probably
>aimed at Wayne for the next version of trn as that's my newsreader of
>choice] would be the ability to kill branches.

Oopz. Thanks to the people who pointed out you can already do this.
Amazing how you can manage to miss a feature that's already there
despite (because?) using a program almost every day for a year...

     ,       Mark the current article  and  all  its  replies  as
             read.

A single command to stick a branch in a kill file would be nice though.

>A nice extension to this would then be the ability to junk branches
>based on normal kill file rules. In particular, being able to junk all
>the follow-ups to articles by a particular author, say.

Which you can do by sticking in your kill file

	/^From:.*user@wherever/h:,

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: Canceling article problems with RN
Organization: Borland International
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:54:42 GMT

greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock) wrote:
> I just recently installed rn v4.4 pl3 on our sun4 (4.1.2 OS).
> Currently, noone is able to canceling any articles that they
> post.

Your news software is in disagreement with rn about what the system
name is.  If you run rn with the debug option (-D) it will tell you
the two names it is comparing when you try to cancel an article.
Then re-install rn (or your news software) with the right system name.

..wayne..
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From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: tin .sig
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:21:14 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi

In article <steve.00qs@Celeborn.lvunix.com> steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade) writes:
>I am having problems with the amiga version tin patch level 8 and signatures.

>default_sigfile=~/.Sig

This doesn't work. You have to use a full pathname, because tin has no idea
what ~/ could be. In fact it can only be used in AXsh shell and it is
automagically converted to $home/ . Does tin allow 'variables' in the
filenames, like %u or $home ?..

-Pasi
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Erik Oliver)
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:23:29 GMT

I must say that I have used both nn and trn, and I prefer trn, as do
most of our users who used the old Comp Sci machine with nn, also trn
has the advantage of working for us without maintaining full local
copies of the articles, just a "small" 12 Mb thread database for the
1700+ groups we receive.

TRN is fast, it's kill files and threading are superb, and most of the
time, I can just type "space" the entire news reading session to get
what I want, with the exception of selecting threads by letter.  I don't
think nn was ever that easy, at least not at our site.  Plus, trn seems
to do a better job of threading.

-Erik
eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp
Subject: Re: Can tin KILL like rn?
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:27:15 GMT

Notes Administrator (notes@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote:
:
: There's a posting in this newsgroup about the KILL feature of the News reader
: called rn.  Does tin have these capabilities?  If so, does anyone have 
: similar instructions?

: I have someone here who'd like to prevent seeing the same cross posted article
: and prevent seeing particular people's postings, and I'd like to stay with
: tin if possible.

Killing an article and killing (not showing) a crossposted article are two
different things.

Tin supports killing of articles. It does not yet support marking crossposted
articles as read by using the Xref: news header. This is being working on for
the next release.

Iain

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From: dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Tin plea - don't delete bogus newsgroups from .newsrc
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:44:26 GMT
Organization: Intel ASTG, Santa Clara, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Tin is great.  But it has this one really annoying feature that really
bothers me.

	When it comes across a bogus newsgroup, it deletes it from
one's .newsrc.  I find this much too severe, especially when I'm
trying to test INN's ability to restrict certain groups from certain
machines.  Is there any way to get, say, PL9 to at least give one the
option of simply unsubscribing from the newsgroup instead of
heartlessly ripping its mention from one's .newsrc?


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From: tgcpwd@rw9.urc.tue.nl (Wim van Dorst)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Tin and setuid (was xxxxxxx)
Summary: I have no official opinion either
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: tgcpwd@urc.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

Kent C. Brodie writes:
>1) If I run tin as setuid-tin, then is having tind doing anything for me?

As far as I understand it (but I'm not official in this) you have three
ways to set things up:
  
  [Tin not setuid, no tind] For people who have no privs on their system, 
  this is the way to go. Indexing is then done in the $HOME directory of
  the user that uses tin. There is an option to make tin do indexing in
  the back ground while reading news. If you don't use that option it'll
  index each group just before you read the news in it (taking time for it).
  
  [tin not setuid, tind] For system administrators who feel anxious to give
  away news privileges (chmod +s news), but still are keen on disk usage, 
  this tind (of course setuid) does the indexing during off-hours, while
  ordinary users just use tin for _reading_ the news, which doesn't need
  provileges since the news spoold dir is world readable.
  
  [tin setuid, no tind] Since tin itself is sufficiently privileged to
  write in the news spool directory, it can update the central index files
  itself. Running 'tin -u' from cron at some well chosen times will do the
  same as the tin daemon. Setuid programs can always be a breach of system
  security, so this option must be chosen with appropriate care. On the
  other hand: this is the most simple setup: just one program doing all.
  
I must point out that this is just my personal impression that I have
of how tin/tind works. I do hope that Iain can enlighten us, since both
Ken and I still have problems.
  
>2) If I run tin as setuid, then the indexing seems to work OK, but
>   then users editing comes up in read-only.

I run tin setuid. I don't seem to have the read-only editing session,
but I do have the setuid(real) failure message.

>3) if I don't* run setuid tin, then I get users seeing
>   "Permission denied" errors on the central index files.

This is not explanable with the above three points: not-setuid tin 
apparently assumes that if central index files exist, updating
should be done centrally too. I had expected that not-setuid tin
would just put its index in $HOME, no matter which other index
files already exist. 

>Iain---   PLEASE help us,...   can you explain in detail
>how this is REALLY supposed to work, properly, assuming we use tind??

Yes, Iain, would you please?

Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst
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From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: tin .sig
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:03:19 EST
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA

In article <steve.00qs@Celeborn.lvunix.com> steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade) writes:
> I am having problems with the amiga version tin patch level 8 and signatures.
>
> I can't get it to post and automaticly tack on my sig file.  I have all the
> env vars set my home path is axsh:home/steve
> and my tinrc file has the following
>
> # print program with parameters used to print articles/threads
> default_printer=c:type
>
> # Signature path (random sigs)/file to be used when posting/replying to messages
> default_sigfile=~/.Sig
>
> and in my home directory I have two sig files .sig .signature but I can't get
> any of them to be tacked on

This has got to be a bug.  I am having the exact same problems.  Nothing
I have done has allowed TIN to read in any signature file.

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From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Trn question
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:23:06 GMT
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com
Organization: The Ohio State University


I continually get the following message running trn with nntp on a Sun  
Sparcstation, Sun OS 4.1.1:

tmpthread: db.init read failed -- assuming no byte-order translations.

What does this mean, what causes it, should I be worried and how can I fix it?

(As you can see I'm not real sure of my way around trn.  If this is a RTFM,  
please tell me *which* FM, as I though I went through the appropriate ones.)

Please e-mail me with responses, as my site doesn't get this newsgroup yet.

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From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (System Adminstrator)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Tin and setuid (was xxxxxxx)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:55:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Andres Bauman (andresb@anubis.kbfi.ee) wrote:
: Wim van Dorst (tgcpwd@rw7.urc.tue.nl) wrote:
: > Now when doing this tin -u command it gives several message about
: > setuid(real) en setgid(news) not being permitted. Of course I should 
: > have read the manual properly before mentioning this point, or looked
: > in the source (that is why I was given it, I guess), but since setuid
: > is brought up, I thought I might as well come forward. Since my 
: > newsfeed is only small, and my machine fast enough, I don't think it
: > is a big problem, but mentioning might help solving.

: I have the same problem with PL8 under SCO Unix. If i try to run
: tin or tin -u from root I get setuid(real) error messages. 
why not run it under news?
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp
Subject: Re: xxxxxxx
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:16:33 GMT

Kent C. Brodie (kcb@post.its.mcw.edu) wrote:
:
: I am using tin (PL7), and have a weird problem.  Anyone entering "vi"
: (for posting an article, for instance) goes into READ MODE.

Sounds like you are running tin setuid and it is somehow not doing
a setuid to your login user before starting vi.

Iain

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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: tin,gnus - sort "auto select" to top
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:03:21 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I read a bunch of groups where only 10% of the traffic is worth watching.
In many cases the tin 'auto select' keyword matcher will mark most of
those articles, and I'm happy with it.

For those really *big* groups, tho, those 10% might be scattered on six
pages worth of headlines.

I would be interested to see a 'sort selected articles to top' option, which
would present those highly rated articles first & then put the rest behind
them.  


  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB

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From: steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade)
Subject: tin .sig
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Summary: 
Keywords: 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:15:35 PST
Organization: Steve's soon to be public //\\miga Box

I am having problems with the amiga version tin patch level 8 and signatures.

I can't get it to post and automaticly tack on my sig file.  I have all the
env vars set my home path is axsh:home/steve
and my tinrc file has the following

# print program with parameters used to print articles/threads
default_printer=c:type

# Signature path (random sigs)/file to be used when posting/replying to messages
default_sigfile=~/.Sig

and in my home directory I have two sig files .sig .signature but I can't get
any of them to be tacked on
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: zcnj01@hou.amoco.com (Cecil N. Jones)
Subject: Re: Read News from PC?
Reply-To: zcnj01@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:34:13 GMT

In article Ar1@icon.rose.hp.com, notes@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Notes Administrator) writes:

>Is there a way to read News directly from a pc?
>
>I have users accessing News remotely, but from workstations and other systems
>using rtin.  Is there a popular News reader available for a pc?                                   

I would also be interested in any info on PC news readers.

Thanks,

      
  Cecil N. Jones    Amoco Production Co.  Houston, TX  713-588-5716
  Jones_Cecil_N/ets_ess@hou.amoco.com              
  The opinions expressed are solely my own.

Newsgroups: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:54:49 GMT

Someone else:
: I suggest that you only use NNTP for posting.  Reading articles over NFS is
: *much* faster.
Me:
:Nobody really knows whether or not this is true.
Other person again:
:Gee, I was at a site  ...  When we
:switched to reading across NFS, the load dropped appreciably

One data point does not make it true.  At a site I was at, things got
somewhat better when we went to NNTP.
	/r$
From: ahmet@eros.Germany.Sun.COM (Ahmet Hamko Sun Frankfurt TSE)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: looking for news reader
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: ahmet@eros.Germany.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


I look for a news reader. Could someone point me a ftp site which contains a 
performant news reader. Currently I use the xvnews reader. I'm not happy with that
because the file extraction isn't simple.


Thanks in Advance

A. Hamko
From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: reader w/ adjustable nntphost
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:39:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University

I need a newsreader in which I will be able to specify the nntpHost,
like xrn's -nntpHost: flag.

Also, in order to be useful to me, it has to be installable without root
or news permissions. I'm just a wanky user.

Basically, my problem is that I want to read the comp.sys.next groups, but
rn here on queen.mcs.drexel doesn't get them. Actually, I can trawl through
junk, but that's getting old. I do know the name of the main drexel news
server, and can access it via xrn. The problem is that I want to be able
to read it on a dialin line from my Mac or my NeXT at home.

I'd appreciate any pointers I could get.
Thanks.

Jon
 

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From: kcb@post.its.mcw.edu (Kent C. Brodie)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: PICO and TIN
Date: 4 Jan 1993 09:54:48 -0600
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin  (Milwaukee, WI)
NNTP-Posting-Host: post.its.mcw.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Here's a related question.....     is there a way I can
make pico my default editor for tin users?    I know
I can set the "VISUAL" or "EDITOR" environment variables
in the users .login, but I don't necessarily want to 
have "pico" as the users editor for EVERYTHING,...   just tin.

Is this possible?

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From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:23:55 GMT
Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
Originator: tommy@hoodlum

I missed the original query, but I really think nn is so much better
than rn because the time that I investe in deciding which articles I
will read is more than returned when I read the (fewer) articles that I
chose.  Also, it posts in the background which really helps on my slow
nntp link.  Another reason it saves time is that the database of
headers is on line so this traffic doesn't go over nntp when I read
news.
-- 
Tommy Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: Re: tin,gnus - sort "auto select" to top
Originator: kpc@zog.arc.nasa.gov
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research and Aero Branches;
	Sterling.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:22:59 GMT

sorting normally with a regexp suffices to sort by marks, believe it
or not.
-- 
i'm open to comparing research career notes with other cogsci/cogneuro people.
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: Bolsa de Valores de Lisboa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:18:42 GMT

Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp writes:
: 
: I compile & test tin on the following OS's before releasing it:
: ISC Unix
: SunOS
: DG/UX
: NewsOS
: Linux
: Sinix

Add NeXT running NS 2.2. (for Tin 1.1 PL4).
I have a few problems, but more about that latter... :-)

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