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From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: Cannondale R800
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.223400.12003@exu.ericsson.se> exumart@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>I have recently purchased a CANNONDALE R800 and I have one concern. The gears on my previous bike seem to compare to my CANNONDALE as follows:
>
>             H                    L
>             |--------------------|    previous bike
>
>      H                   L
>      |-------------------|             CANNONDALE
>
>Hence, I have lost a few low gears and gained some more high gears.  I have ridden the   CANNONDALE for a week now and I find myself riding in the low gears more often as I find the high gears somewhat tough. While I realise I may not be in the best shape right now my concern is that the more I ride in the future will I ever build up the strength for riding those high gears OR is this just out of my league? Should I consider replacing the range of gears with ones more in my range OR should I just con
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>riding and maybe I will soon build up to this. Im a litle discouraged
>right now!
>
>Martina H.
>


A new freewheel is only about $25(US) so I say get some lower gears.
It's better than wrecking your knees, and besides, it's nice to have
a lower geared freewheel around even after you build up, in case you
want to take the bike on some bigger than usual climbs.


-- 
Bob Brand
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From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:43:29 GMT


Well, now that he's gone maybe he will have more rest than every
one else and get ready for the World Championship, hopefully he
will be there (I hope so!) and maybe by that time he will feel
better and perform better! BTW Does anyone knows the time &
place for that upcoming race? How about a TV broadcast? I
know it must be sometime in August...:-)
-- 
|     Francisco J. Diaz Rivera     |                           |
|     University of Puerto Rico    | If the shoe fits, buy it! |
|  "I hate calculus classes!" :-)  |           - Imelda Marcos |
|     STUD137@CUTB.UPR.CLU.EDU     |                           |
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:43:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.160256.27799@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>In article <5575@ucru2.ucr.edu> mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.142840.9110@meaddata.com> georged@meaddata.com  
>>(George Dibos) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>>> Is it time to spin off an enthusiast's group?  
>>
>>I totally agree on this one.  It is way too much work to filter the things  
[stuff deleted]
>>puts up with it.  May I suggest the following groups:
[stuff deleted]
>     Thats a lot of subgroups, how about just:
[stuff deleted]


Come one folks, don't any of you check the previous messages before 
posting something like this?  If you did, you would find out that
a reorg of rec.bikes is already in the works.  Over the last month, it's 
already been discussed, argued, rehashed, and discussed some more.   In fact,
the Call for Votes is already out.

I agree that the group needs to be reorg'ed -- thats why I've already
voted on it.  Can you please hold off further discussions on how
the organization of the group should change until the current 
reorganization is done?

Thank you.


Sean
sean@cs.tamu.edu



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig)
Subject: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:18:06 GMT


I went on a 290 km (180 mi) cycle-camping tour on the weekend, and now,
two days later, the ring and pinky fingers on my left hand are still
slightly numb and I'm still experiencing weakness in my whole hand.   
The doctor says it's the same nerve that gets hit when you wack your 
funny bone, and that the feeling will return in a week to 10 days.   
But what about the power?   I can't fret a barre chord on my guitar anymore!

This was my first century (120 km the first day, 170 the second), and had
no problems other than my hand (well ok -- I had to rebuild a seized rear
hub somewhere on Vancouver Island, but that was a *good* part of the
experience.   Really. :-)   But I'd like to figure out why my hand went
away.  It was fine after the first day, and my right hand has had no problems
whatsoever.  I shifted hand position fairly often, and noticed the loss of 
power before the numbness.  (I stopped being able to use my under-bar front 
shifter.)  The doctor seemed to think it was an elbow problem rather than 
pressure on the hand, but I'm careful to always keep my elbows bent, and  
I don't think I jolted it.    It's possible I may have slept on it funny 
while camping after the first day.

Last year I cut a deep gash into the fleshy palm at the "heel" of my left
hand, under my little finger, but it healed fine and has never given me
problems, so the doctor says it's unlikely to be associated with it.

Has anyone had experience with this?   Is this just an anomaly, or can I
expect this to happen every cycle trip?   Is there any way I can prevent
this from happening?   I never thought I'd have to choose between cycling
and playing guitar...

Chris Roehrig
University of British Columbia
From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Help! Knee Pain
Keywords: knee, pain, beginner
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:54:31 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

I started biking recently (about 4 weeks ago), and
I have been doing it rather intensely for the past
2 weeks (2 hrs/day in a hilly region). I have started
experiencing pain in my left knee, along with a funny
feeling that the joint has become a little looser.

Can someone tell me what I must be doing wrong?

Thank you.

Chandy
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:21:07 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Glenn Stauffer writes:

>> Be careful with engine degreasers.  They can streak paint and damage decals.
>>
>> I would feel better using a good grease cutting detergent like Dawn - does
>> wonders on greasy hands, and isn't likely to damage paint, etc.

>I always take the decals off my chain before I use it and the ones I use
>are not painted so I see no hazard here.  I just chuck it in a can of solvent
>and rinse it out.

>You aren't perhaps cleaning your chain while it is on the bike are you?  I
>don't believe you can get a chain adequately clean while it is on the bike
>and laced through the derailleur.  The derailleur wheels don't especially
>like to be degreased anyway.

I used to take it off, but I find the chain gets just as clean while on
the bike.  I don't notice any paint streaking from using Gunk.  As for the
cogs, derailleur wheels, and associated hardware, I clean them all.  If
I'm not going to use a high pressure wash, I will back pedal with a stiff
paint brush running against the cogs/chain.
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: akins@cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Info on BEHEMOTH & Steve Roberts
Originator: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:53:46 GMT

Well I finally got it right.  If anyone remembers my last posting, I
had sent mail to the typo-free address of Steve Roberts @

	WORDY@bikelab.sun.com

Apparently that address works, though someone else posted
an alternate address which is contained in the below header.
The following info is the response I got from Steve Roberts.  As
you can see he is going to leave the responsibilty of posting
the newsletters with me.  Because I check my mail and read this
newsgroup several times a day, I should be able to provide the
information timely enough to satisfy anyone interested.
If anyone wants the newsletter mailed to them because they
don't regularly subscribe to rec.bicycles, send me e-mail
and I will do so.
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To: gregory adkins <akins@cis.ohio-state.edu>
From: wordy@lorien.qualcomm.com
Subject: Re: Newsletter
Status: R

Hi Gregory....
  You can post my address if you want, with the proviso that I get 60 or so
pieces of mail a day and don't really want to deal with a lot of one-on-one
questions....  
  I like your idea of reposting the bikelab reports to the newsgroup -- I
probably should have been doing this all along.  You're welcome to repost: 
I just added you to the alias.  
.
.
I'm limited to email only (Eudora on the Mac (POP
client) via QBlazer or satellite -- I can PPP with the SPARC but it's much
more work).
  COlumbus is my old home town, BTW -- I lived in Dublin for 4 years. 
That's what inspired long-distance travel <grin>.
  Cheers!
 Steve


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NOMADIC RESEARCH LABS

Currently in Louisville, KY -- off to Colorado this week after a quick
one-evening stop in Chicago....

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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:57:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.204342.5561@cbnews.cb.att.com> ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
>In article <p-lm9mf.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>>But this was _clearly_ an accident.
>Huh?  If I blindfold myself, walk out into the street with a gun and
>open fire, any resulting death is not an accident.
>
>No one forced this moron (sorry, forgot the slug's name) to operate
>his vehicle in an obviously reckless and deadly manner.  That he did
>not assist the victim (and his later actions) adds malice to the
>equation, and I cannot see why he does not face a charge of attempted
>murder.

well, let's see.  first of all, if you want to quibble about terms,
"accident" is not the right term from a legal standpoint because
it implies that there was no fault (negligence, recklessness, etc.)
on anybody's part.  but we tend to say "accident" when referring to
some mishap which was not intentional...

he does not face a charge of attempted murder because attempted murder
requires intent.  intent and recklessness are different, and we don't
really have any evidence of intent in this case.  malice, if i
remember correctly, has been equated to recklessness; i.e. "extreme
indifference to human life."  but this won't get you attempted murder,
which, as i said, requires intent.  there's probably a crime of
reckless endangerment, which he can and should be charged with.
if the cyclist had died, the idiot could have been charged with the
death - but not murder, which requires intent.

my point is that the legal structure breaks down in very specific ways,
and as much as we'd like to see him in jail for a long time, we can't just
charge him with attempted murder.  the solution is to increase the penalties
for the offenses he did commit.  this guy is in big trouble, anyway.

and by the way, many people may think there's a difference between
firing a gun blindfolded and this guy's actions, in terms of the degree
of recklessness.  if you fired the gun in a crowd, where you were virtually
certain of hitting someone, then that's probably murder or attempted murder.
but if you fired it on a deserted street, it might not be.

-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: gregory@cs.sfu.ca (Gregory Sidebottom)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:14:21 GMT

In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

   If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
   have a 15mph speed limit?

Because they are usually crowded with a wide variety of users.  It
seems kind of silly to hammer along at top speed among families
walking with their kids, doesn't it?  But it's a lot safer for the
cyclist than riding with cars whipping by within inches at 70 km/h or
faster.  It's kind of scary when rear view mirrors brush your
shoulder.  It's about time we got more bike lanes and bike paths.

Greg
-- 
Greg Sidebottom,                                      | There's not a word that
Expert Systems Laboratory, Centre for Systems Science | goes here that rhymes
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby BC V5A 1S6, Canada   | with anything. -CVB
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: loucks@isrc.sandia.gov (Cliff Loucks)
Subject: Re: ESPN & TdF
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 18:57:41 GMT

From article <1992Jul17.170328.21804@synapse.bms.com>, by idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson):
> 
> Who is Barry Tomkins anyway!!????

He's some clown who just keeps getting worse and worse.  He was bad
enough at the beginning of the Tour; seems every network's coverage
has felt the need to include some bozo like him.  But now as the
Tour progresses, and he thinks he now knows something of the sport,
he's realy getting disgusting.

Cliff
-- 

Cliff Loucks  <=>  loucks@isrc.sandia.gov
Sandia National Labs, Albuquerque, New Mexico
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:33:32 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <22084@venera.isi.edu> allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
>
>What I believe is that Secrest will be drafting a vehicle which only
>elimiates air drag, but does not create the wind effect.  I think
>his main problem will be local police.
>

Why on earth would he design a fairing that "only eliminates wind drag" (if
such a thing were possible -- you'd have to know *exaclty* how far the
bike would be from the fairing and then keep it there at all times) when
something that would be even better were possible?

We are talking, after all, about a guy who not only holds the record for
the transcontinental ride but also spends record amounts each time he
does RAAM -- upwards of $35,000 when others are doing well on a tenth of
that.  Motor homes, multiple spy vehicles, huge crews -- the guy seems to
believe that you train hard and they buy whatever additional advantages
you can.

Not that there's anything wrong with that per se -- it's part of the game
as it's played -- but it makes it seem unlikely to me that he'd forgo any
obvious advantage in the interest of making things more "fair" in some
undefinable sense.

(And I really hope I've got the right guy here....)
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sshroff@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Sandeep Shroff)
Subject: Suggestions for a new (road) bike.
Keywords: new bike, help, suggestions.
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:05:32 EDT


Hi,

I am absolute new to the world of cycling. In fact so new that I've just
gotten into the process of looking around to buy a bike!! The FAQ of this
newsgroup suggested that a posting is the best way to get help. So here I am
appealing to the gurus out there for some expert advice on what to buy, what
not to buy etc. etc.

Basically I am looking for a road bike under $300. I'll be using it mainly
to commute to work (less than 3 miles one way). And at this point that is all
I know!!

In addition to some names/models of bikes, names of some good/reliable shops in
or around Sunnyvale/Mountain View, California would be of immense help.

Please save bandwidth, mail me your suggestions. I will summarize.

Thanks a ton.

-Sandeep.

(reply to sshroff@rodan.acs.syr.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: UK Track Bike  (LOTUS Monocoque)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:58:03 GMT

Any opinions on this bike. It looked fabulous on the track and helped
its rider, Chris Broadman, to set the fastest qualifying time with 4:27.357.
He was almost 3 full seconds clear of the second time. The designers reckon
that the bike is about 12secs faster over the 4+ minutes of the pursuit.
That time was an unofficial World Record 'cause it was outdoors (wind, etc.).

Judge Raz.
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:26:22 -0400 
From: Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Holy Moly! '93 Cannondale/Shimano


Just got a quick peek at the '93 Cannondale catalog (three seconds
before the steroid guzzling freak at the counter grabbed it back). Some
highlights:
 
* The top of the line suspension bike - called the Super V - is a 25
pound, full XTR monster. The have redesigned the thing again - it looks
sorta like the San Andreas bike, but only in general plan. Front
suspenion is the same, and I think the rear suspension is also carried
over. Everythying in between is brand new; I remember a huge down tube
and something truly funky around the seat tube, but said steroided
monster didn't let me get a good look. Pretty amazing; with a really
light parts pick you could get that sucker down to 24 pounds. The other
suspension bikes (I assume V1000 and V900) are "plain" Delta V's. 
 
* Their top of the line road bike is now 19 pounds. I remember a lighter
fork with an oversized head tube.

* They are officially marketing the Track bike, equipped with Superbe Pro. 

* Apparently, with the exception of the M500/400, they are equipping
their rigid mountain bikes really well, which brings us to a sidelight:

Shimano has dropped DX, and is consolidating it into LX. LX moves a bit
upacale, and there is now a big gap between LX and XT. Yet another in
the (long) list of reasons to hate Shimano. DX was a great gruppo - XT
without the price - and Shimano's move shows a disregard for the
user/rider. It may make good business sense, but it sucks for end users.
All you with extra money; word is that people are going to be dumping DX
gruppos cheap. Buy a couple and don't worry about parts for a could of
years. 

There's also a new Shimano gruppo called A-10, or something. I didn't
see anything other than the name.

Cursing Shimano,
Don

The "new" LX cranks looked really cool - black arms with silver rings.
The black may not last two rides, but it still looks good. 


---
dp32@andrew.cmu.edu                     Gregory Peck/Hunter Thompson in '92. 
"We have bad news for you - Hell just froze over."
         - excerpt of a recent letter from home. 


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Re: Fighting Rust
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:41:25 GMT

>dd3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Danny R Dalal) writes:
>>
>>could with a towel.  But the next day I found a tiny bit of rust (on the
>>front sprokets, in a allen-wrench type bolt).  I watnt his bike for a

You might want to get a can of DustOff II from a hardware store and blow the
water out of the allen head bolts and other hard to reach places.

Karen Walrath
MIT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jeff344@lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Berton)
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Reply-To: jeff344@voodoo.lerc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:58:26 GMT

>
> Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
>Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.
>
Get the best deal you can, but consider supporting your local bike shops 
instead.  The price difference between mail-order outlets and most bike 
shops is getting smaller all the time for most name-brand products.  
Compare a few items and find out for yourself.  I asked a local dealer 
just last month why his prices were now so close to Nashbar's.  His 
response (and you can take it with however many grains of salt as you'd 
like) was:  "More and more now, name-brand manufacturers are raising the 
prices they charge mail-order companies.  They *want* their prices to be
comparable to prices found in bike shops.  It doesn't do them any good to
drive bike shops out of business."
When you add the cost of shipping and handling (and, since I'm in the
same state as Nashbar, I must also pay sales tax), the cost is nearly the
same.  This is perhaps why there are more and more "Nashbar" and
"Performance" brands in those catalogs all the time.  Through them, they 
may be trying to regain the low prices they were once able to offer.

-------- Jeff Berton;  jeff344@voodoo.lerc.nasa.gov;  (216) 977-7031 --------
--------- Aeropropulsion Analysis Office, NASA Lewis Research Center --------
------------- "If headquarters is interested, we're interested!" ------------
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: XC Pro hubs compatible with XT groupo?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:38:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

Shimano (and Campi) uses equal distance spacing on the rear
cogs. Suntour uses unequal distances. I have seen several
articles that claim that they _still_ work together, but I wouldn't
mix them. I'm sure that there would be some noise problems.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Lemond Toast?
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:01:31 GMT

bschwart@ferris.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz) writes:
>What I've listed above are the final victories of several great multiple
>winners along with a couple of others of interest. I guess what took me was
>the relative young age at which Anquetil, Merckx, and Hinault took their 5th
>victories.  15 championships between them and none after age 30. Zoetemelk
>is the most recent "older" champion, aided by Hinault's tendonitis during 
>that year.

Was any of them forced to recuperate from a serious gunshot wound
between wins 1 & 2 of the TdF?  Just curious...
-- 
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<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
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