From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: One sure way to prevent a teen abortion? (was Re: Governor Casey for '96 President?
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.144146.19968@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>>> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>>>>> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>>>>>> Some parents have VERY strong feelings about their daughters not
>>>>>> having abortions. 
>>>>>> Some parents resort to illegal means by issuing threats.
>
>>>>> Like, "If I ever find out that you're pregnant, I'll kill you?"
>>>>> A kinder, gentler enforcement of wholesome traditional family
>>>>> values, wouldn't you say? 
>
>>>> That's illegal. And it would prompt her to kill the baby by abortion. 
>
>>> Of course.  But here you demonstrate more concern for the fetus than
>>> for the daughter.
>
>> The daughter ain't being killed; the fetus is. 
>> So I show more concern for the victim who might die, than I show
>> concern for the victimizer. Ooooh, gee, that's a _horrible_ principle!
>
>'Scuse me, isn't the daughter more of a victim in your little scenario?
>Let's recast your last sentence, using more accurate terminology:
>
>*** So I show more concern for the fetus who might die, than I show
>*** concern for the teenage daughter. Ooooh, gee, that's a _horrible_
>*** principle!
>
>I agree; that's a _horrible_ principle!

If you consider one's emotional well being to be sufficient to kill
another innocent human being, you're worse off than I thought. 

A daughter's hurt feelings are nothing compared to killing someone else
who didn't do anything to deserve dying. Just because she cries and
whines does not mean I'll say, "Okay, kill them." She has to be facing
death or injury, and the fetus does not meet those two requirements,
99% of the time.  

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>
>There's a lot of your family squabbles tied into the rest of the
>article, Steve, and I don't feel comfortable getting into it.  For
>what it's worth, I think that your willingness to make a daughter's
>life miserable for the sake of a dubious-at-best principle stinks.

To kill someone else's life to make her happy, is universally illegal
and grossly wrong. 

Abortion falls squarely into that context, and if that fact were made
known to legislators, it would be justly banned outright.

>At a time like that, the last thing a daughter of yours would need
>is a parent barking the party line in her face.  Repeatedly affir-
>ming love and support is the way to go, Steve, especially if you
>want her to visit you when you're old and gray.

Well, at least I'll have the option of worrying about whether she'll
visit me or not. If I don't apply adequate pressure, there might be
one unborn child that'll never have the opportunity to see daylight -
she'll go out and kill him/her with hardly a second thought
afterwards. 

Short of physical force (which is illegal), any pressure that prevents
that kind of killing, is perfect as long as it results in keeping that
unborn child alive and safe from what could have been a girl intent on
killing them. 

>-- 
>Chris Lyman -  a personal        /   "I belong to no organized
>opinion for every occasion       /   political party.  I am a
>email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov    /   Democrat." -- Will Rogers


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Question: If you don't have truck bombs and thousands of fanatics to
	  sacrifice their lives and drive them, how do you scare a 
	  nation into giving in to your demands?

Answer:   Buy coat hangers and encourage women to kill themselves
	  with them and call yourself "pro-choice".
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