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From: pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se (Par Ingvarsson)
Subject: Re: Waiver claims
Organization: Lund University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:33:35 GMT


In article <20014@drutx.ATT.COM> tom@drutx.ATT.COM (MaddenTC) writes:


>Is it my imagination, or were there a lot more waiver claims following
>final cuts this year than there have been in the past? I had the feeling, 
>in past years, that there was a tacit agreement among GM's to keep their 
>hands in their own pockets until final rosters (and recently, even 
>developmental squads) had settled down. Oh, there was always a little 
>activity associated with marginal players on good teams moving on to 
>become starters on poor teams, and certainly Paul Brown wasn't averse 
>to claiming an occasional player from an upcoming opponent's roster to 
>gain a competitive advantage. (Yes, that means I've been around for a 
>while!) But this year it seemed to be more than that. Green Bay grabs 
>Harry Sidney from SF (plus two others from elsewhere), 


Anyone knows who the other two were...?????????



>Dallas takes a LB from the Giants, Denver gains a FB from Houston but loses 
>a DB to Cincy, etc. etc. Not complaining, mind you - just curious.
>
>I did notice that there wasn't a lot of Plan B activity this year. 
>Perhaps everyone finally realized that the caliber of player available 
>on Plan B, for a signing bonus, could be had for "free" come waiver 
>time, and waited till now to do their roster raiding.
>
>Tom "you mean that's not Rick Upchurch wearing No. 80?" Madden
>___________________________________________________________ 
>Thomas C. Madden                                                    
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>Denver, CO 80234               These are my opinions only!! 
>
>att!drutx!tom
>

Pelle Ingvarsson - pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se


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From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Subject: Re: Colts and Bentley
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:04:20 GMT

In article <la42saINNem@cronkite> nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>Haven't heard much about the Colts so far.  What are they up to?  Will Bentley have
>as much time as he did in '90 when Dickerson was out.  He sure looked good then.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Nope....they cut him yesterday.


>
>nate


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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: AFC EAST
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:59:03 GMT

In article <Btz1H1.6vE@wpi.WPI.EDU> cor@wpi.WPI.EDU (Corydon T Shimer) writes:
>
>While Buffalo is the most talented team in this division, hands down...
	Well NOT on Defense.
	And on Offense.....they will have trouble.
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From: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Oilers
Keywords: oilers
Reply-To: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:31:41 GMT

Yeah but I'd take Earnest Givens over Leonard Harris or 
Corey Harris !

roger
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:21:55 GMT

Ronald D Rodabaugh (rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
:      Concerning realignment in the NFL, I have just one question: WHY?
:      These teams play ONCE A WEEK, for 16 games. Does it really matter that 
: Phoenix has to go east four times a year every year? Is it really going to be 
: that much cheaper for the NFL to realign geographically? NO.

Isn't that eight times? I though each team in each division played the
other teams within the same division TWICE..

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  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:48:59 GMT
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In article <1992Aug25.061847.5761@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>  What is the fascination with the NFC east?
>
>  OK, so they've won two or three Super Bowls during 1980-1992, but I
>  have the following to say:
>
>  1. New Orleans has an NFC East type defense, but they are "irrelevant"?
>
>  2. The 49ers have won four Super Bowls, but they are "irrelevant"?
>
>  3. Buffalo only lost to the Giants (who beat the 49ers) by one point,
>     but they are "irrelevant"?
>
>  4. Kansas City is fast becoming an awesome power in the AFC, but they are
>     "irrelevant"?
>
>  5. Detroit reached the NFC Championship (unlike Dallas), but are "irrelevant"?
>
>   
>  It's time that all those who go for teams outside the NFC East to finally
>  stand up and defend their team. I happen to like Philadelphia not because
>  they are in the NFC East, but because I admire their CLASS. CAPICHE?
                                                        ^^^^^
 When did the Eagles get any class?  It had to be when Buddy Ryan left, because
 they had NO CLASS when he was there!! (Reggie White is the exception, he is
 a class dude)

>
>  To me, a certain football team is my favorite because:
>
>     1. They have class.
>     2. They are not overblown by the media to epic proportions.
>     3. The fans that follow the team are not so obnoxious that you get sick
>        of hearing the name!
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
  From all of the football games I've watched over the last 15 years, Eagles
  fans have been in the top 5 as far as obnoxious. (Cleve is/was #1)

>     4. The team is not one that has a huge bandwagon filled with "wagoneers"!
>
  
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:32:11 GMT

In article <55980@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.170029.18538@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>  [ text deleted ]
>
>Young deserves to start at this point, if he fails, and Montana is able
>to prove on IR that he's able to play, then he should be given the chance
>to compete with Bono.
>
I beg to differ with you on one major point.  Young does not deserve 
anything.  He or any player has to earn the right.  IMO, Young did not 
EARN the right to be the starting QB.  Another fine example of Siefert's
inability in making astute coaching decisions.  I am beginning
to think that Seifert is merely a "puppet".

Steve Bono earned the right to be the starting QB, but because of
football politics, they chose to start Young.  I predict Young
will not last past the fifth game. Why you ask?  He will get 
crunched!  How's that go now, hmmm, "Fe Fi Fo, I smell the blood
of a QB, be he alive or be he dead, I'll crunch his bones to
make my bread!"  Yeah, I can hear some linebacker saying that
as he pulverizes Young as Young scrambles out of the pocket in
his attempt to avoid a rush!  The funny thing is that I am a
49'er fan, but not a Steve Young fan!  It is just that Young
has not demonstrated his leadership abilities.  With the short
time Bono played last year and this preseason, he has displayed
more leadership and coolness under pressure than Yound has
ever displayed.  Just MHO. BTW, I still think the Niner's can
go all the way, even without Montana (my hero :-) ).

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:07:12 -0400 
From: Thomas Oligino <to0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 6 days till disaster



   The NY Giants got whomped by the Steelers SAT 24-3. The defense gave
up 425 yards and it seemed like alot more sitting in the stands. The
Offense did nothing save a couple of good runs by Hampton and one nice
catch by Ingram. In addittion they truned the ball over 4 times and were
penalized often and in crucial situations. The crowning disgrace was
that this debacle took place against the Steelers,and in case you don't
know ..... the Steelers suck ! 
    Six days from now the niners  check into the meadowlands and they
will beat the Giants  by 40 if Handley and some of the veterens don't
get this team motivated  real fast. I had a good feeling about the
season untill last night but now I can't see how they can get thier act
togther fast enough to make a run at the playoffs playing in the NFC
EAST. 

Offense
    - The team can move the ball but if the offense continues to put it
on the ground and make stupid mistakes they have no chance.

Defense
    - The Giants got pounded on the ground by a make shift offensive
line and a few average running backs ; this was demoralizing. Handley
should consider shooting a defensive line man at random as a
motivational tool. If this team can't stop teams from running they are
dead in the water. I suppose it's possible that the return of Banks and
Eric Howard will make  difference but Im not holding my breath.


I really want to believe that there is a chance for the Giants this year
but this preseason has me in despair. Lets hope the site of thge niners
will inspire this group of veterns or this is going to be a long Sunday
night.



Tom Oligino
Dept Biology                      GO Giants!- please......
Carneige Mellon University
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:15:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Seems to me that all this talk about the Niners botching their QB
situation is a bit misplaced.  Consider:  for FIVE years, the Niners
successfully kept two of the best QBs in the game happy on the same
team.  Their record over that period was 61-18 in the regular season,
and included two Big Dances.  This -- in and of itself -- is remarkable.

Time and a bit of misfortune has caught up with them, though.  Montana's
elbow, coupled with Young's growing impatience at being #2, have taken
the Niners from a can't-lose situation at QB, to one of can't win.  It
should be clear to all that either QB is capable of doing the job, and
has the right to consider the job his.  (I won't argue with those who
think Bono ought to be ahead of Young, but that will just further muddy
these waters.)  The Niners have a very good shot at being 3-1 or 4-0
when Joe comes back.  Do you give Joe his job back if he's healthy?
If you do, Young's going to realize that there's *nothing* he can do
to win the job, and he'll start screaming for a trade.  If you don't,
you're relegating the best QB in history, who was on the verge of 
leading the team to an unprecedented third consecutive SB when he last
played, to backup status?!  That'll sure go over like a turd in a
punch bowl.

I think we Niner fans have to face the fact that sometimes there
simply is no perfect answer.  I'm about as opinionated as they come,
and frequently consider myself a foremost authority on everthing,
but I have absolutely no clue what I'd do here were I in Seifert's
shoes.

What I imagine will happen is that Young will start, and Montana will
sit, until Steve gets banged up.  Enter Joe, who gets a de facto
chance to win the job back.  If he performs, which he probably will,
he's back to #1.

One way or another, this is gonna be one heck of an interesting fall...
-- 
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: STUPID PREDICTIONS
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:31:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA




>Pats, Steelers, Chargers.
>Cardinals, Bucs, Rams.
>
>Wild-cards: Packers, Colts, Bengals, ?.
>
>easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu

obviously, the other NFC wildcard team will be the vikings.  who else is there?

ok
dpm
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Organization: Abode Computer Services
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:24:49 GMT

In article <78476@ut-emx.uucp> drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.140657.58311@cc.usu.edu> slskq@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>>> For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)
>Analyst for ESPN's NFL broadcasts.
>>> 			      Steve Bartkowski?
>Beats me.
>>> 			      Ed "Too Tall" Jones?
>Ditto.
>>> 			      Randy White?
>Ditto.
>>> 			      John Riggins?
>Was inducted to the Hall of Fame a few weeks ago.
>>> 			      Tony Hill?
>No idea.
>>> 			      Danny White? (Is he still a backup/sideline
>>> 						coach?)
>Head coach of the Arizona Rattlers of the Arena Football League.
>>> 			      Tony Dorsett? (What'd he do after Denver?
>>> 					     or is he still a backup?)
>Retired after a training camp knee injury a few years ago
>>> 			      Steve Walsh? (Where IS he now, ever since
>>> 					    leaving Dallas?)
>Current #2 behind Bobby Hebert in New Orleans
>>>                               Eric Dickerson?
>Playing for the Raiders.  Actually this was beaten to death during the summer.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone else think of any players that seemed to disappear, either during 
>>> or after their careers?
>
>How about Dan Pastorini?

Last I saw he was racing dragsters (that was about 2-3 years ago).

Eric


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From: ralph@isis.CSS.GOV (Ralph Webber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hurricane Andrew affect on Miami home opener??
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:50:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ENSCO, Inc., Melbourne, FL

Has anyone heard anything regarding the Dolphins home opener
against the Patriots on Sept. 6.

I heard that it might be several weeks before power is fully 
restored in some areas.

Anyone???

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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:40:57 GMT

Brian Toothman (brian@elara.mitre.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug27.112155.27660@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
: |> Ronald D Rodabaugh (rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: |> :      Concerning realignment in the NFL, I have just one question: WHY?
: |> :      These teams play ONCE A WEEK, for 16 games. Does it really matter that 
: |> : Phoenix has to go east four times a year every year? Is it really going to be 
: |> : that much cheaper for the NFL to realign geographically? NO.
: |> 
: |> Isn't that eight times? I though each team in each division played the
: |> other teams within the same division TWICE..
: |> 
: |>   +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
: |>   |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
: |>   |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
: |>   |                                        | Australia                     |
: |>  
: Of course what Kevin meant to say was not that Phoenix has to go to the
: east eight times but that the other 4 NFC EAST teams have to go west 4
: times too.  
: 

Too right!, At least some knew what i meant to say!!!!

Thanks!
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  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
 
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From: dpm@wizard.b29.ingr.com (David Mikesell)
Subject: Re: SHOCKING PREDICTIONS!!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:39:05 GMT

In article <78639@ut-emx.uucp>, drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R.
Christmann) writes:
>>
>GO OILERS!  (Frankly, I think now is the time to kick the sonofabitch
>in.)
>
>
	Frankly, this Oiler team is not as good as those Oiler teams of the
70's that never could kick the sonofabitch in.  The sonofabitch just
sort
of rusted and rotted away...

dpm
From: greenfie@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chicago Q'Back
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:42:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

Doesn't Chicago have a rookie quarterback from Virginia Tech?  I should
remember his name; is it Will Furer (or something like that)?  I believe
he is a lefty.  What happened to him?  There was an article in our
collegiate newspaper that said he was going to be on a show Thursday
broadcast by WGN.  Is this true?

Watching him play last year for the Hokies I could see that he had a
chance.  After the Blue-Grey game (I believe he played in that one), in
which he was MVP, you had to think he had a shot.  Watching the Bears
over the years struggle with below average Q'Backs, you fans may take an
interest in Will.

Can anyone who is closer to the Bear situation fill us in with all the
details?  Thanks much!
From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: probable starters by team and position..(please update)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:59:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <1992Aug31.185321.23490@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>Hi.  I'm going to play in a fantasy football league.  Will someone
>out there please tell me what to do?  Who should I draft?  I don't
>know anything about football, and I want to make sure I spend my
>entry fee wisely.  Maybe if you are playing in the same league that
>I am you can tell me exactly who you plan on drafting so I can get
>a better idea of what my competition will be like.  Thanks a million,
>you have really made my day!
>
>Seriously folks...  There are magazines, newspapers, weeklies, periodicals,
>etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.  If you are that much into fantasy football,
>why don't you take the time to do your own legwork?
>
>Add me to the count of those in favor of the FFL guys forming their 
>own newsgroup.

  As both an experienced FFL commissioner and owner, and an all-around
  huge football fan, I have to agree with Scott.  The FFL franchises
  are so wide spread now, they SHOULD have their own group.  Besides, 
  it probably drives the guys nuts on this group who aren't all that
  interested.

  So how do we get a separate group started?


  Thanx,

  Pete Collins

>
>-- 
>Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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>(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hildenberg Traded
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:37:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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The Chicago Bears have traded All Pro Center Jay Hildenberg to 
Cleveland.   I have not heard what hte Bears got.



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From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman)
Subject: Re: Who is Bobby Abrhams????
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:49:50 GMT

In article <182loaINN4s3@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>Will a Giants fan out there kindly tell this Cowboys fan why Dallas
>picked up Bobby Abrhams and cut a promising young LB for him.  Does he
>have any redeeming qualities???  Short answer or essay, it is your
>choice   :)

Abrams has been with the Giants for two years -- he was a free agent
rookie.  He's pretty good, and kind of a Jimmie Johnson player, i.e.
the Giants didn't think he was big and strong enough.  But he's quick,
he's very good on specials, and he can tell the Cowboys quite a bit
about the Giants defense.  Don't underestimate the importance of
espionage.  

Just two weeks ago, Abrams was said by Ray Handley to be the leader in
the competition to start in Carl Banks' place; now that Banks is back,
the Giants are going with two 1991 draftees (Corey Miller and Kanavis
McGhee) as backups, and I guess Abrams' edge in experience was less
important than the potential of the other two.  Free agents rarely get
any respect in this league.
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bears stuff...
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:24:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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The Bears have made the following roster moves:

resigned Mo Douglass(CB/S) & Glen Kozlowski (WR)

placed James Thorton (TE), Anthony Morgan (WR), and ???? (a DB I think) 
on the  IR.

signed C Jay Lewenburg (out of COlorado,  don't know who cut him).

Still expect to sign Perry any day now.

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From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tight Ends
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:02:40 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <Derek_Juntunen.07mx@abcd.Houghton.MI.US>, Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
> Well, I always liked Ozzie Newsome of the Browns.
> Whatever happened to him?  The best TE now tho,
> I would say Brent Jones of SF.  He can block and
> catch exellently.
> 
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.995


	Nope, sorry - the best tight end would have to be Marv Cooke of NE. 
Led the league with 82 receptions.  Also had 5 TD catches.  Ethan Horton of the
Raiders had more yards recvng, but fewer TDs.

walter
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