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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:02:56 GMT
From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Economic Summit?
Comments: To: politics@ohstvma.acs.ohio-state.edu

Rich:
>Sorry about my previous message, it go cut off.
>I am a little confused.  According the papers and television, the economy is
>slowly improving.  In fact an NBC news correspondent reported after the
 election
>that "Clinton appears to have inherited an improving economy."  It's a miracle.
>Things turned around overnight.  So why, may I ask, is Clinton still saying
 that
>things are getting worse.  Is he going to say that things are even worse than
>he thought and therefore he can go back on some of his campaign promises such
>as no middle class taxes.  The latest is that such a promise was not a promise
>at all but simply a suggestion.
>
>-Rich

No, the idea is that if you talk things down when an economy is
recovering, you increase the impact when you acknowledge the recovery.

Of course, it only works if the recovery is real.

Dunstan
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:13:00 EDT
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Cal Thomas's article

KAT- re: the Cal Thomas article:

        Sure sounds like another example of the conservatives trying to say
one thing and be another...you know, rationalize their staqnce
                                                                (oops)
stance....


-T.
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:35:45 EST
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Perot's influence on the election

From:         Kevin McDade <CXYB@MCGILLA.BITNET>

> I guess just a guess!

Then let me make a guess of my own: you are a moron!  For
wasting many people's time on this forum by making statements
which are mere guesses when the overwhelming evidence and
conventional wisdom is contrary to your guess.  And worse,
not to disclose from the beginning that yours in only a guess.

BTW, I am assuming (actually GUESSING :-) that the above was
a response to my question "How do you know that?" when you
said something to the effect (for the nth time) that Bush
would have won if Perot hadn't run.

--KAT
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:49:00 EDT
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Uncl: Re: RECENT DISCUSSION TOPICS RE "DRAFT DODGING"
              &MILITARY

Kevin:

        It's easy to get lost with Robert - I think JC said something on that]
matter - something about the blind leading the ....

        Anyway, one of robert's favorite tactics is to siphen off a word or
phrase, and turn it around to argue against you - or make it seem like you
agree with him.  So, I tried it out for myself.

Kind of like getting in the mud with the pigs - but we all need a change of
scene once in a while - even if the scene is replete with lies, innuendos,
and religious hatred.

In direct answer to your question - take your pick: Gore or gore.  Doesn't
matter.  It will soon be turned 'round anyway.

-T.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:10:48 EST
From:         Kevin McDade <CXYB@MCGILLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Perot's influence on the election

Well Jonathan,
In the eyes of everyone. Your opinion is just a speculation.
Most of Perot's voters were protesting against Bush. This protest
vote helped Clinton, whether you get or not. Exit polls do not tell
the whole truth. People like me will be always convinced that Clinton
would not have won the elections had Perot not run.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:41:52 -0800
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: RE: partisan idiocy

Clark again:

>It *is* babbling, is it not, for a cigarette manufacturer to fight
>anti-smoking laws by laying out a big *individual rights* campaign!

In a word "no", that isn't "babbling".  It can be an individual rights
issue EVEN if a participant has an economic self-interest.

>Instead we have these national groups throwing the American public a
>lot of crap about how concerned they are with individual freedoms -
>when they're just looking to protect their $$$.

Considering how little anyone will spend to protect individual
freedoms, any expenditure by someone who also has an economic
self-interest is probably necessary.

>I asked if you could come up with a self-serving
>reason why the gun-control *advocates* were fighting, not the gun-control
>*opponents*!

Now that that's been done, I sure hope that Clark gets off this kick.

>No, I never defended the gun-control stance in any of my posts on this
>thread.  You accused me of doing so, without proof - and yet you also
>accuse me of doing much the same thing!  Where did I ever defend them?

Now Clark has a choice between demonstrating that Tim was right or not
supporting gun control.  Maybe someone should issue a challenge since
Clark likes them so much.

-andy


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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:02:25 -0500
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reagan dodged the draft!

I don't think Clinton's evading of the draft was heroic either.  I do
think it was human.  I happen to believe in forgiving people their
trespasses, and hell -- I'm not even that religious.  I am able to
appreciate Clinton's obvious opposition to the war, as well as note
his ambition at a young age.  There is more than one way to serve
one's country, and I do know that I would not want to be in Clinton's
shoes right now.

The major underlying problem in this country is not the economy so
much as it is a lack of humanity.  Enough of this looking to the past.
I believe Clinton is someone who is capable of learning from his
mistakes.

Of course, I have this eensy weensy problem too -- I happen to be
willing to trust people.  Not trust blindly, but simply
trust.

It's amazing how people who demand an end to politics-as-usual insist
on looking at their leaders in the most cynical, politicianlike way.

Call me stupid, but I don't think unbridled optimism is the way out
of this; but neither is unbridled cynicism, and that's mostly all
I see and hear coming from Americans these days.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:56:40 -0500
From:         Bill Good <wjgood@UNIXLAND.NATICK.MA.US>
Subject:      Re: CE, BCE, and God
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
              ESTRIN" at Nov 18, 92 03:39:36 pm

> God should not be on our currency or in our pledge.  Rather than please
> everyone "In God/Allah/Buddha/Satan/blah/blah We Trust", why not drop the
> phrase altogether?  The US invites all religions, but just because the
> majority of Americans believe in God, that doesn't mean that "In God [All
> Americans] Trust

I seem to recall reading that the government did take the motto off the
currency ca1908. A panic unsued, coincidence or not, and the people
insisted that the phrase be restored.".
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: AIDS & HIV (was Gays in Military)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:16:50 GMT

In article <POLITICS%92111817170806@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET writes:
>
>              _Commonwealth of Virginia  11/01/92_
>
>
>Number of _AIDS_ cases in general pop:          3,310
>Cases reported from homosexual/bi contact:         64.8%
>Cases reported from heterosexual contact:           5.5%
>
>Rate of _HIV_ in general pop:                     1/250
>Cases reported from homosexual/bi contact:         32.4%
>Cases reported from heterosexual contact:          27.0%
>
>A number of things come up.  First, the _rate_ of HIV infection
>is now higher among heterosexuals.  

What?!?!?!  Are you saying that homosexual men comprise 32% of the
population?  I don't see how you can claim the rate of HIV
infection is higher among heterosexuals.  The numbers you give
seem to indicate that one out of thirty male homosexuals are HIV+,
as opposed to one out of 350 heterosexuals.  (Assuming 4% of population
is gay men, and that all IV-drug use/hemophilia infections occur in
heterosexuals.  Both of which overstate the actual degree to which
HIV is distributed--it's probably more like 1/15 vs. 1/500).

>Second, if you're scared of
>HIV and you're in the military, you have a better shot SLEEPING
>with a homosexual or bisexual than with a heterosexual who's had
>more than one sexual partner.

You should check out probability theory.  The statistics you give
don't indicate one way or the other until we know how many gay men
there are in the military.  Keep in mind that anyone who tells the
military that they got HIV from a gay sex encounter (instead of lying
and claiming they got it from a woman) will be dishonorably discharged
and without medical care.

>Suffice it to say, yet another myth destroyed in not only the
>fight against AIDS & AIDS Ignorance, but in the fight against
>Ignorants Who Fear Gays in the Military.

I support allowing gays in the military (heck, they're already there).
But your post perpetuates AIDS ignorance, rather than fights it.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:53:11 EDT
              Conference\"" <LIBRES@KENTVM.BITNET>
From:         EDITORS@KENTVM.BITNET
Subject:      LIBRES 2.11 Editorial Introductions

LIBRES 2.11 Editorial Introductions

The Libres Editors are volunteers.  They are from diverse
professional backgrounds:

Diane Kovacs (Editorial Coordinator) is a Humanities Reference
Librarian at Kent State University Libraries and Media services.
She recieved her MSLS from the University of Illinois at Urbana-
Champaign in 1989.  Her research interests are in the sociology of
computer mediated communication and use and users of information.
(dkovacs@kentvm or dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu)

Julie Gedeon is Assistant to the Dean of the Kent State University
School of Library and Information Science.  She received her MLS
from Kent State University in 1987.  Her research interests are in
technical services, cataloging and administration.

Leslie M. Haas is a Business Reference Librarian at Kent State
University Libraries and Media Services.  She recieved her MLS from
the University of Arizona in 1989.  Her research interests are in
Library and Information Science as a profession, business electronic
resources and end-users. (lhaas@kentvm or lhaas@kentvm.kent.edu)

Don Kraft is editor of the _Journal of the American Society for
Information.  He is a professor of Computer Science and an adjunct
professor in Library and Information Science at Louisiana State
University.  He is a member of ASIS, ACM, IEEE Computer Society,
NAFIPS, ORSA, and ALISE.  His research interests are in the
application of fuzzy set theory and operations research to problems
of information retrieval and information science.
(kraft@bit.csc.lsu.edu)

Elizabeth Lane is currently a full-time doctoral student at the
University of Alabama School of Library and Information Studies. She
received her MLS from Univ. of Michigan in 1987. She is the Chair of
the LITA Leadership Development Committee, and a member of ASIS and
ACM. (elane3@ua1vm or elane3@ua1vm.ua.edu)

Amey Park is Head of the Bibliographic Control Department at Kent
State University where her responsibilities include supervising or
overseeing pre-order searching, copy cataloging, input and editing,
authority control, revisions, and processing.  Her MLS is from Kent
State University. Her research interests are in bibliographic and
authority control. (apark@kentvm or apark@kentvm.kent.edu)

Kara Robinson is a Reference Librarian at Kent State University
Libraries and Media Services.  She received her MLS in 1989 from
Kent State University.  Her research interests are in the sociology
of computer mediated communications and use and users of
information. (krobinso@kentvm or krobinso@kentvm.kent.edu)

Bqrbara Schloman is Head of Information Services at Kent State
University Libraries and Media Services.  She received her MLS from
University of Wisconsin-Madison. Her research interests include
electronic publishing, preservation and use and users of information.
(bschloma@kentvm or bschloma@kentvm.kent.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:42:47 EDT
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From:         EDITORS@KENTVM.BITNET
Subject:      LIBRES 2.11 Report

LIBRES 2.11 Report

Table of Contents

1. LIBRES Phase Two.  by Diane K. Kovacs

========================================================================
1.
LIBRES is ready to begin phase two of its existance.  In keeping with
the format of LIBRES, your comments and discussion on the form that
phase two can take are welcomed.  LIBRES is the product of the
contributions of its subscribers.

The first phase of LIBRES was an exploration to discover what the
parameters of our idea could be.  We based our initial plan on
the description of scholarly communication in "How Scholarly
Communication Should Work in the 21st Century"  (C&RL 51(1): 5 Jan. 1989)
Our plan was to provide a place for publication/pre-publication and then
discussion of Library and Information Science research reports, articles,
drafts and proposals.

LIBRES has flourished.  There are nearly 1000 subscribers from 35
countries.  We had not actively solicited submissions yet we have
had an article, report, draft, or proposal for every issue.
The resulting discussions have been interesting and in the case of
the proposals and draft reports very useful for the authors.  We've
explored the subjects of: copyright in the electronic library,
user studies, total quality management and a variety of other topics.

The second phase of LIBRES involves more clearly identifying LIBRES as an
e-journal and actively soliciting submissions. In this second phase
LIBRES will emulate the e-journal PSYCOLOQUY in leaving copyright
in the possession of the author.  Stevan Harnad, Editor of PSYCOLOQUY,
is a member of our Advisory Group.  His concept of "Scholarly Skywriting"
-- rapid, interactive peer discussion of scholarly works -- is a great
strategy for using electronic publishing to meaningfully enhance
traditional publication modes.  PSYCOLOQUY is refereed.  LIBRES will
will not be refereed in phase two.  LIBRES in phase three could become
a refereed electronic journal.  That is for the LIBRES subscribers to
direct.

LIBRES will publish 1 or 2 submissions per month in order to
make discussion simpler.  If several submission on similar topic areas
are received then we will consider publishing them all in one issue.

The Editors and Advisors of LIBRES thank you for being a part of this
exciting project.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:27:46 EST
From: FELIX LO <3386140@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mailbook
Subject: rice-mail

Hi:
What is difference between RICE-MAIL and E-MAIL?
How to use rice-mail?
                                                     LO

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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:08:01 EST
From:         John Hammond <MAILMNT@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Problems using names file

   I ran across some of what you report a while back.  What I finally
resolved was to code an NJE :node. value for my nickname entry in NAMES
(CLVM and MAINT in your case).
   For all local host users, leave the :node. entry blank.  If you have
coded a local.domain entry (e.g. setmail local.domain CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU)
in MAILUSER XEDIT or MAILSYS XEDIT, it will override your personal entry
in your NAMES file.  All other local host users will have the local.domain
value appended to their address.
   If you have not coded a local.domain value, RiceMail will append the
local node name (CLVM in your case) to the local user entries.
   This scheme also allows nicknames to be used with NOTE, SENDFILE, and TELL.
   As for getting the version information, press PF10 to get to the MenuBar.
Go to the Help entry and press ENTER.  Look at the Product Information entry
by placing your cursor on it and pressing ENTER.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:29:56 EST
From:         Stan Horwitz <OASIS@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: COMPUSERV to INTERNET gateway

On Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:32:09 EDT James Johnson said:
>Does anybody know if the COMPUSERV to INTERNET gateway has a problem
>with dashes (-) in the address? A COMPUSERV user can send mail to a user
>id, no dash, but gets an error when sending to a LISTSERV list that has
>a dash in its name. Is this a known problem?

I run a fairly popular listserv list called HELP-NET which is at templevm.
Its a forum where novice network users can post questions to improve their
knowledge of Bitnet and/or Internet services. Several Compuserve people have
been subscribed to Help-Net at one time or another. I have never heard of
any of them having difficulty sending mail to Help-Net. If this is a new
problem, I suggest that the Compuserv account holder contact someone at
Compuserv to find out what's wrong.

Stan Horwitz
Listserv Postmaster
Temple University
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:39:57 EST
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr" <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Deleting a line

On Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:48:15 EST Peter M. Olson said:
>Mail users:
>
>   When using mail today I had just signed a letter at the bottom and then
>decided to delete the last line of the last paragraph.  When I backspaced over
>the line and hit return it just kept popping back up.  I finally put the
>highlighted line on the line and deleted with the del command.  How come I
>can't delete the last line of the last paragraph after signing a letter without
>having to use the del command?

     This is, I believe, actually a function of XEDIT.  When in certain modes
it will not allow a completely blank line to be entered, or left, in this
case.  I notice the same behaviour when I put the cursor on the first column
of a line and use the delete-to-end-of-line key.  I do not know if there is
any way around this 'feature', or if it is a bug.  I always just leave a
typed space as the first character of the line and delete all the text after
it.  Hope this helps.

Rich
>
>@@@@ @@@@ @@@@ @  @ @   @  Peter M. Olson
>@    @  @ @  @ @ @  @   @  SUNY Albany
>@    @  @ @@@@ @@    @ @   Accounting Major
>@    @  @ @ @  @ @    @    Perot Supporter
>@@@@ @@@@ @  @ @  @   @    "Do the best you can with what you got"
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:48:15 EST
From:         "Peter M. Olson" <PO7005@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Deleting a line

Mail users:

   When using mail today I had just signed a letter at the bottom and then
decided to delete the last line of the last paragraph.  When I backspaced over
the line and hit return it just kept popping back up.  I finally put the
highlighted line on the line and deleted with the del command.  How come I
can't delete the last line of the last paragraph after signing a letter without
having to use the del command?

@@@@ @@@@ @@@@ @  @ @   @  Peter M. Olson
@    @  @ @  @ @ @  @   @  SUNY Albany
@    @  @ @@@@ @@    @ @   Accounting Major
@    @  @ @ @  @ @    @    Perot Supporter
@@@@ @@@@ @  @ @  @   @    "Do the best you can with what you got"
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:23:44 CST
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Encoding according to RFC 1154
              16 Nov 1992 20:11:00 -0700 from <Shah.Khatri@ASU.EDU>

I doubt very much that I will ever implement any support for this experimental
protocol.  From my initial cursory reading, rfc1154 provides significantly
less value than rfc1341 (MIME).  What effort I plan to exert in the
direction of supporting multipart messages, etc., will be directed towards
MIME, which is a proposed standard format for encoding.

I would urge you to push Microsoft to support MIME instead of rfc1154.

For the time being, I'd suggest manually editing the Encoding header,
removing it, or commenting it if that's necessary to allow the eventual
receiver to figure out how to interpret the message.

Richard
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:11:00 -0700
From:         "Khatri, Shah" <Shah.Khatri@ASU.EDU>
Subject:      Encoding according to RFC 1154

The Microsoft Mail Gateway to SMTP formats messages according to RFC 1154.
Rice Mail is oblivious to the "Encoding" header field, so when I use Rice
Mail to Forward a message received from MS Mail, the forwarded note still
contains the _original_ Encoding header.  If the forwarded note contains any
more data, the original Encoding header becomes inaccurate, of course.  As
you might imagine, this causes problems on the MS Mail side.

What do I do now?

Thank you very much.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:09:42 PST
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: mailer problem
              16 Nov 1992 15:00:12 CST from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

How about this:

  If the header line contains:

From:   ..... AT ..

  than it is a NOTE but only if the next line doesn't start with '<'
(and end with one!) (ignoring leading blanks.)

  My problem is with a mailer that insists on setting the name field
of a rfc822 From: header to 'full name of person AT nodename <rfc822 address>'
which turns out to be too long for the line so it wraps the '<rfc822 address>'
part to the next line.  CCMAIL is the culprit, btw.

- Yossie

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