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Subject: Re: AFC-Daydreams
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:35:42 MST
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In article <1992Oct8.183704.24734@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.101036.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>Does anyone recall the New York Jets of 1986?  They got off to a torrid
>>start, something like 10-1.  [and went on to 10-6 and a playoff loss]

> Does anyone recall the 1991 Redskins? They started out 11-0, they went on
> to win the SB.
> 
> Does anyone recall the 1990 Giants? They started out 9-0, they went on
> to win the SB.
> [1989 49ers, 1985 Bears, 1984 49ers, 1982 Redskins?]
>
> Get the point? a great start doesn't guarantee a SB, but more often than
> not, a great start means all the way.
> 
> Given the choice, do you want your team to start 10-0 or 6-4?

Point gotten.  When the Eagles get to 9-0 or 10-1, then your logic takes
hold.  Probably each of the teams above had a competitor at Week 5 with
a record just good (at 4-0 or 5-0), who for reasons of talent or bad
luck dropped off the pace.  The Eagles might get to the point of being
included in your list above, or they might just lose a couple or 3 and
begin having trouble holding their own.  They do have 3 tough road games
in the next 4 weeks.

The Jets example is the part of your statement where "a great start
doesn't guarantee a SB."

>>And this was against the relatively uncompetitive AFC!  One could easily
>>see the Eagles doing a similar late-season freefall against Dallas,
>>Washington, and other tough NFC teams.
>
>One could as easily see the Eagles going all the way.

If you want to extrapolate from a whole 5 weeks of football, yes you can.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Calvin D. Swartzentruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:47:43 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How desperate can you get???!!!!!!!

Calvin
A loyal Eagle in Pittsburgh

The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect those of
my city, or my college, or my parents, or the guy who used to live next
door to me when I was a kid.
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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Back to the future?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:02:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


       If the future is any indicator of the past, then:

                        SB VII    Miami vs Washington   Miami wins
                        SB XVII   Miami vs Washington   Washington wins
                        SB XXVII  Miami? vs Washington? ????????

       Just something to think about.

                                         -doug THE dolfan-
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From: jimmyb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Black)
Subject: Re: Raiders/Giants 4: 00PM
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:07:47 GMT

In article <12750004@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> billm@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Bill Maguire) writes:
>    As a fellow Giant Fan, we might consider "punting" this season away.  I
>    didn't see the game, Raiders vs Giants, except the hightlights of Mark
>    Collins getting burned twice, once for a Touchdown ... If anyone saw the
>    game or is a Raider Fan, would be more than happy to hear the hightlights.
>    Speaking of "light's", I hate to admit it, but I don't think we're going 
>    to see a lot of wins this year.  Maybe better luck next year with the
>    draft ... By the way, being a Giant's fan, I'll still root for them and
>    hope ...

Maybe you might want to write to the organization and tell them to get
that apologetic letter ready for all you New York fans (please refer to
the Mets and their apologetic letter printed in the paper after the
Mets finished their dismall season).
From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Some observations
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:52:05 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <92282.104944RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RENE ZANDBERGEN <RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
|> Hi all,
|> 
   {some very good points deleted}

|> Now some questions from a foreigner.
|> 1) Who on Earth is this 'Hammer'
      Previously known as MC Hammer, He is a rap musician who frequents
the sidelines at Atlanta Falcons games. 
' 
|> 2) Who is this player called K-mart and why is he called that?
|>
     Kelvin Martin 83. Why?  Not sure, it's just shorter I guess
 
|> Thanks in advance for any info,
|> Rene Zandbergen (RZANDBER @ ESOC.BITNET)   RCZ in the pool

-- 
The small victories * the cankers and medallions *         | Pat Power
The little nothings * they keep me thinking that someday * | My opinions only
I might beat you * But I'll just keep my mouth shut *      |
       - Faith No More, "A Small Victory"                  | Da Boyz are back!!
From: hanke@CS.ColoState.EDU (brandon laine hanke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Still need TE is Shannon Sharpe a TE or WR?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:24:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Oct15.172411.92476
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1687FB3BE.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
>In article <91551@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>
>jcollins@sparkle.tnis (Jon Collins CT/90) writes:
> 
>>
>>Shannon Sharpe may be listed in the 1992 fact guide as a TE, but through the year he has gone back out to wide receiver since Clarence Kay came back.
>>In fact, the Broncos have two TE's now.  How many TE's line up as a wide out?  If you watch the Br
>>onco Redskin game tonight you will understand.  The guide, like every other seasonal football guide, becomes outdated very quickly.
>>
>>jcollins@ct.gmr.com
>>
> 
>Shannon Sharpe plays at least four positions for the Broncos.  He is
>still listed as a tight end on their roster.  I do not know the
>criteria for positions in fantasy football, and I don't care, but how
>the guy's team lists him must have some impact on it.
> 
>Jim McMaster

On The Dan Reeves Show tuesday night Shannon Sharpe refered to himself as a 
Tight End, and who knows better than the man himself.  It is true that he
lines up at wide out and half back, but if he says he's a TE than he's a TE.


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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #7 ***** DUE THURSDAY *****
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:21:55 GMT

Week 7
------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 4 different games.
	 You get 5 points for free since there are only 13 games.

This form is due at 4:30pm PST (11:30pm GMT) on Thursday,Oct 15. NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Minnesota        
[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] Indianapolis   
[  ] [ ] Green Bay		[ ] Cleveland      
[  ] [ ] Philadelphia		[ ] Washington  
[  ] [ ] Tampa Bay		[ ] Chicago        
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] Dallas       
[  ] [ ] Atlanta		[ ] San Francisco    
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] LA Rams        
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Phoenix      
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Denver           
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] Seattle       
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Pittsburgh (MON)
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Miami                                

Initials: 

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!

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From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Subject: Aaron 'The pain in the Ass' Please Read
Originator: bsricker@c00483-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:27:47 GMT


Dearest Aaron,

Let me be the first to congratulate your Eagles pathetic showing yesterday.
As I mentioned in my last post, the Eagles are vulnerable to the deep pass.
If that is not completely evident after the game yesterday, just wait
till the Niners get their chance.  I can see it now.  Young to Rice for 25 yards
Young hands to Watters for 10 yards. Young hands to Watters, stopped for
no gain .(The Eagle usually blitz on second and long) Young hits Mike Sherrard
on the deep post, TOUCHDOWN.

    Final Score Week 13 - 49ers  31
                          Eagles 17 (At least,Herschel should have a good day)

Cheers,
Brian 'All the Miami(The Canes, The Canes alumni Club(The Cowbowys), and the
Dolphins) teams won again' Ricker
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From: haverdin@cs.iastate.edu (Mike Haverdink)
Subject: Philly Phan Club re-post
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:41:18 GMT

I've been saving this...

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes (about the Eagles)
>Notice to You all:
>
>
>We are winning any and every game we  play this and next year including
>the Superbowl. The shutout - massacre of the team you always supported, 
>the Denver Broncos was notice to you all that from now on not will you be 
>badly beaten but you will require extreme luck to even score.         

Looks like the Chiefs got extremely lucky several times...

>The important lessons from the game were as follows:
>
>(a) Our offense need not always be there; if our defence does not score
>   on an interception or fumble then the game will end 0-0.
>(b)Randall Cunningham will scramble for as many T-downs as he wants; he
>   could also exercise the option of throwing T-downs from our 20
>    even on 1st down.

How nice of Randall to take it easy on the Chiefs :-)

>(c) He is now the standard of measurement for all QBs
>  and already John Elway has  failed the test. As for Mr.J Montana
>   you were the one eyed king in the land of the blind, and now we have a 
> two eyed man...................
>
>Support any other teams to your own detriment; you will be beaten and 
> emotional/pschological harm inflicted upon your person.....

They can't be serious here....

>Forewarned is forspared....
>
>
>Philly Phan club 

I have a feeling that the Philly Phan club wasn't entirely serious when
they posted this, but I still can't resist.  I also have saved a few 
messages from THE ALL CAPS GUY WHO LOVES PHILADELPHIA AND THEY'RE THE
BEST EVER NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS OR WHAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS OR THINKS 
AND I MEAN IT...  but I noticed a few others responded to him :-)

Go Bengals!  (Nobody can accuse me of being a fair-weather fan)

--mike
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers cut Billups
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:34:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <56428@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes...

>>   I read in the paper also that he was cut.  From what I can remember, the 
>>   article said that Buckley started the Atlanta game and that Billups was
>>   upset over losing his starting job.  I guess he lost more than that now.
>>   About Buckley being ready to start, I don't know if he is ready to but 
>>   he will start.  I saw him get burned on one touchdown pass from Miller to
>>   Rison in the Atlanta game.  Buckley looked completely lost on the play.
> 
>   I saw the game and remeber the touchdown that Buckley got burned on. 
>It looked to me like he let Rison get past him and just let him go, and then 
>realised that nobody was there to cover him. I wonder who blew their
>assignment?
>  The announcers just made it sound like Rison beat him in man coverage.

This is correct.  Buckley was supposed to have help deep from FS 
Chuck Cecil.

JGH
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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: DOLPHIN SONG!!!
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:45:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.113018.20250@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL
EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> 
alot of drivel deleted.............
> 
> 1.  I don't think it's necessary to post a Dolphins song, becaus
> 
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>       
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------  
>    BBB   U  U  FFFF  FFFF  AAA   L   OOO     BBB    I  L     L   SSS     !
>   B   B U  U  F     F     A  A  L   O   O   B   B  I  L     L   S   S   !
>  BBBBB U  U  FFFF  FFFF  AAAA  L   O   O   BBBBB  I  L     L     SS    !
> B   B U  U  F     F     A  A  L   O   O   B   B  I  L     L    S   S  
>  BBB   UU  F     F     A  A  LLLL  OOO     BBB  I  LLLL  LLLL   SSS  !
> 
> 
When I read posts like this the expression "Dick with ears" comes to mind.
This is typical of the postings that Bills Fans have been posting
on this newsgroup for years.  When your team was winning, posts 
by Bills fans mainly consisted of bragging and rubbishing other
teams.  Now that they are no longer the class of the AFC, the posts
are merely obnoxious and bothersome in nature.  The Bills just
aren't that good, live with it.

Richard Turner

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Buccaneer News
Keywords: Bucs
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:06:11 GMT

The Buccaneers announced today that former starting DE, Rueben Davis,
has been traded to the Phoenix Cardinals for a 3rd round draft choice
in the next draft. Rueben became expendable as he had been beaten out
for a DT spot by rookie sensation Santana Dotson.  Rueben, originally
a 9th round pick,  ;-), out of North Carolina started at DE in our 34
set,  but as a 40 team he was no longer a contributor.  Phoenix's 3rd
round pick,  which could potentially be high,  is excellent value for
Rueben at this stage in his career.  He should start in Phoenix's de-
fense.

In a related issue, Rueben's trade could end an era for Tampa Bay un-
less a player named Davis is acquired by the club between now and the
start of the 1993 season.   In the history of the club,  no Buccaneer
team has failed to have a player named "Davis" as a player on opening
day.

	1976 - '78: 	 Anthony Davis, RB, USC
	1978 - '80: 	 Johnny Davis, FB, USC (?)
	1979 - '83: 	 Brad Davis, RB, Nebraska
	1981 - '86: 	 Geoff (pronounced "Jeff") Davis, LB, Clemson
	1987 - '92:	 Rueben Davis, DL, North Carolina

PS, What ever happened to old #58, Geoff "The Judge" Davis?
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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: UPSET PICK!!!!!!!
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:34:23 GMT

In article <92822@netnews.upenn.edu>, mckernan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert L
Mckernan) writes:
> 
> 	THE UPSET PICK OF THE COMING WEEK:
> 
> 
> 	(0-5)NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS... 21
>         (5-0)MIAMI DOLPHINS......... 16
> 
> 	PATRIOTS ALWAYS GIVE MARINO FITS AND THEY ARE DUE FOR A WIN. THEY
> LET YOUNG & co. ESCAPE WITH A WIN BUT THEY WON'T LET UP THIS WEEK. COACH
> MAC WILL HAVE HIS TROOPS FIRED UP.
> 
> 			ROB

As Chris Berman would say, "You would have to be an idiot to think ......"
However given that the patriots are winless and that the dolphins
are undefeated it is inevitable that New England will win this game.
So this pick doesn't count as an upset, except that I would be most
upset as a Dolfan if the patriots were to win. :-)
Seriously though, this game will probably see Miami jump out to an
early lead, with New England making it interesting late in the 4th
quarter; kind of like the Cleveland game.
My pick :

Miami             10     7      3     3   - 23
New England        3     0      7     7   - 17

Richard Turner 
Dolfan
From: chf0@roger.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The BILLS FAN
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:42:08 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1992Oct16.135518.20595@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>
>A positive note:  The Bills can lose and still rack up 400 yards (394 to be
>exact).  Kelly also set a Bills record by passing for 300+ yards in three
>consecutive games....Andre Reed looking good as ever.  The only
>possible concernis the running game...and there is no question that
>Thurman is a bad runner.  

How about getting into the endzone?  Could that be a concern?  

Seems like the Bills have forgotten where it is.  It's all well and
good to say "we passed for over 300 yards in 3 consecutive games", but
that doesn't mean anything unless you win.

Curt

--
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
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From: tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan)
Subject: Re: C. Harris cut by Houston?!
Keywords: Oilers
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:52:19 GMT

The oilers general manager said that they cut C.Harris because the 
only thing he was being used for was kickoff returns, and they did not
want to waste a roster spot on that duty.  He also was not making much
progress at becoming a receiver.  They wanted to put him on the practice
squad but Greenbay picked him up.  They will probably use him at running
back.  The other reason they cut him was that Eugene Seale is about to
come off of injured reserve and they need a spot for him.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Denver at Washington
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:54:50 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, S900303@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes:
>I just read in the paper that Washington was favored by 8 points in Mondays
>game.  Does anyone really think that Washington is that good?  I know they are
>playing at home but will that make a big difference?

Yeah. For starters, there is the real turf, an open-air stadium, and 
some beautiful "Lady Hogs."  :-)


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From: Rick_Genovese@qm.ycc.yale.edu (Rick Genovese)
Subject: Hail to the Redskins
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:42:17 GMT

The 'Skins are on a roll.  It looks like it will be a GIANT massacre
Nov.1st.

Congratulations Art Monk !!!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Final Analysis of 4 QBs
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:24:07 GMT

Bills vs Raiders:   I saw this game

So what happened to the Bills and their heralded high
octane offense with Kelly at the helm? Answer: They
met the Raiders defense, which pressured Kelly all day.
It is quite apparent to anyone, that Kelly cannot handle
pressure. Anyone have a different opinion on Kelly's
loss of composure?  Todd M. came through at the end.
It sure helped that Dickerson and M. Allen ran the ball
well, to help balance the passing game.  Is this the
demise of the Bills? Well, if the other NFL teams, take
note and pressure Kelly, the FAT LADY is starting to
practice and bellowing out some high, loud notes.
Kelly throws for over 300 yards, nice stats.

Eagles vs Kansas City:

Again, a hard hitting, tenacious DEFENSE, arrested a
supposedly better overall offense. Afterall, Cunningham
was a the helm of this team. Yeah right, another one
bites the dust.  I didn't Cunningham pull this out. 
Krieg came out throwing and exposed the Eagles lack of
DEFENSE, or did I miss something in the ESPN reporting.
Cunningham tried at the end, but not enough time left on
the clock.  Can anyone explain why such a supposedly
better offense loss, equipped with one of the most feared
QB's in the league (the other is Kelly).

Atlanta vs Miami:

At least one great QB won HIS game and improved the Miami
team to 5-0!  I didn't see the game and only saw the 
highlights, but Marino had what it took to win the game
under pressure with a 4th qtr. comeback. Good going Miami
and Marino.

Patriots vs Niners: I saw this game.

Pretty sloppy playing by the Niners to start off the game.
However, they gathered their composure. The Niners defense
really racked/sacked Millen.  I don't see how this guy was
still standing, damn! Watters proved his worth again.
Doesn't he remind you of Roger Craig? With Watters slicing
and running head on into the Patriots, he definitely
established himself in this game. Young, as usual, did
his scrambling and came through when needed. Young certainly
looked like shit in the beginning though. So does this
prove Young is a better QB than Kelly & Cunningham? Perhaps
not, but by using his skills the best, and utilizing his
offensive weapons the best, he was the better QB on this Sunday.

Final analysis of these games: Did the best QB on paper come
through on their respective games? You call it!
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain