HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:30:24 GMT


mathew writes:
 > 
 > Remember "Brazil"?

Nah.... but "Lowry? Come in here please..." :-)

Gordo.E14

Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Hyphening
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:44:36 GMT

In article <8139@skye.ed.ac.uk> richard@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) writes:
>In article <3363@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
>>Is the word "rape" ever funny? Not in my book.
>
>Do you mean "no joke or story involving the work 'rape' is ever funny"?

I think he's had an off-day and wanted to tell us he'd found a higher
horse to proclaim his political correctness from than any of us have
got.

Of course all the rest of us (especially men) think that the act of
rape is wildly funny, particularly after reading where a hyphenation
algorithm can put very unfortunate breaks in narrow columns.

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide if I was
completely serious or not above (but you are, of course, all too stupid
to work it out).

Damon
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From: nlc@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Neil L Cook)
Subject: Re: Drugs
Organization: Communications Research Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:38:29 GMT

In article <7149@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!) writes:
|> Ummm... I'm not convinced that "experienced" smokers get more hit-per-THC-molecule
|> inhaled but maybe the experienced people get more hit-per-spliff since they 
|> have learned how to inhale and keep all that smoke in their lungs as long as 
|> possible without choking everything back up, whereas "newcomers" have less 
|> deep/long drags and therefore the active ingredients have less time to diffuse 
|> into the blood stream.

Actually, THC builds up in the body, storing itself in your body fats.
When you partake of some more, the THC already in your body is
released and so experienced users will get "high" more quickly than
novice users. I got all this from reading a book of course, never
having partaken myself. ahem.

Neil.
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <930108.154435.9K6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew
<mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>                                                                   And how
>> do I get a piled-up trolley-load of vegetables from Sainsbury's to my home?
>
>Personally, I use my two lower limbs.  That's because I go to a small local
>supermarket.  What, you say, there isn't a small local supermarket near you?

	No, I don't say that.  There's one within two-lower-limb range, at
least *going*;  coming back is a little harder, as they really don't like me
to waltz off with their trolleys, and also it's uphill.  My wife uses it
quite a lot, 'cos it's cheap.  But, because it's local and small, it just
doesn't carry the range or the quality that Sainsbury's does.  [Last time
I counted, S had over 60 each varieties of (a) fruit;  (b) vegetable;  (c)
salad stuff;  (d) bread;  (e) cheese.  I didn't count the meats or the
yoghurts or the wines.]

>Well, that's the fault of car culture.  Small supermarkets are closing and
>being replaced by big out-of-town supermarkets, because people want to park.

	They do indeed want to park, but that applies even at small super-
markets (which in turn have displaced the tiny local grocers etc).  The big
ones are simply *better*.

>This means that more and more people *need* to drive to get to a supermarket.
>This means that more and more people need to park when they get there, which
>means the supermarkets have to have more parking spaces, which means they
>need to be even further out of town, ...

	Perhaps other towns should copy Nottingham, where the biggest
shopping centre has replaced a derelict railway station, and the biggest
Sainsbury's is near the city centre on previously derelict land (with a
*huge* car park which wasn't full even just before Christmas).

-- 
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From: mick@dcs.bbk.ac.uk (Mick Farmer)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: London Accountant Wanted
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:30:50 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Hi,

I want to change my accountant to one based in central
London.  Any recommendations (consultancy, private company,
personal stuff)?

Regards,

Mick
From: mcneill@devon.co.uk (Keith McNeill)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Fast & Cheap Money Xfer to USA
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:53:14 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Devon Systems International


What is the best (meaning fastest & cheapest) way to transfer money to the
USA (or anywhere else I guess).  Last week I wire transferred money to my US
bank account.  It cost about $40 in total.

	Barclays charged #17.00 + $10.00
	My US bank charged $4.00

I took about 2 days for the transfer.

There must be a better way (cheaper).

Keith

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hyphening
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:44:20 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan8.142211.14744@clts1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:

>Quoth ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig):
>(  One hack mentioned recently that he'd been caught out once by writing
> ) something like:
>(  
> )   Dr J. Smith, therapist, had just completed...
>(  
> ) which came out as:
>(  
> )   Dr. J. Smith, the-
>(    rapist, had just...

>Can you say ``Ur-ban leg-end''?
>He me-ant ``the-rapists who pre-ached on wee-knights''.                        g

The Guardian diary column has been doing a series of "unfortunate 
hyphenations"

        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Think of a number
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:17:17 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

How many Afro-Caribbean and Asian people live in Britain?

If you're a Guardian reader, you're disqualified.
I assume Afro-Caribbean is intended to include Africans and all the 
descendants of Africans that got moved by the slave trade etc.
It might be supposed to be just England.
The population of Britain is around 60million.

What did you guess?
The true answer is:. 
                   .
                   .
                   .
                   .
                   .
                   .
                   .
2.54million
Apparently 'most' people guess around 10 or even 20 million.
It is believed that this may be an expression of racially based fear.
Hmmmmmm

  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: cstadgs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R J Tinsley)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Think of a number
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:21:24 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <zlsiida.677@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

>How many Afro-Caribbean and Asian people live in Britain?

>The population of Britain is around 60million.

>2.54million

From the CIA World Factbook entry for the United Kingdom...

Population:
    57,797,514 (July 1992)
Ethnic divisions:
    English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West
    Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%

... and 2.8% of 57.80m is 1.62m. How come the discrepancy?

-Bob

Incidentally, this fascinating publication is on the net
- telnet hangout.rutgers.edu and look in "Library"
From: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Light (Bulbs)
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley)
Distribution: uk
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, Essex

Help,
 I am looking for one of those 'light bulb' things which show the effects of 
solar radiation pressure. You know what I mean, a large light bulb, sealed, with
a vacuum inside and 4 squares (one side black, one side white) each fixed, 
paddle like, to an arm of a, horizontal, cross and the whole lot balanced on a
point.  When you put it in the light - it rotates!
Problem is WHERE CAN I GET ONE FROM????

Ta in advence for any help
                         Mark



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From: chris@visionware.co.uk (Chris Davies)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Testing page
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:04:46 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
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Phil Male (phil@compnews.co.uk) wrote:
: Thanx for the comments, and I agree, this is one of the better ways of
: getting feedback.

Well in that case...!  No, seriously, if you're happy to receive
comments via email then I'll put off writing my fax (as suggested on
one of the TT pages describing ways of reaching "the editor") and email
you instead?

(for example, please would you provide the 'phone numbers of cinemas in
the "what's on" listings in addition to the film times you already
list)

Ta,
Chris
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: VIZspeak - What is frottage ?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:41:59 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

>In article <C0FnMG.Fx0@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham
>Toal) writes:

>#  What's the word for having sex with someone's (presumably someone
>#  *else*'s ;-) ) armpit?

"Gross" ought to cover it.

Now, what's the word for the equivalent at the knee?  knee-pit?

 
        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: cathy@alex.com (Catherine McManus)
Subject: Re: Mornington Crescent rules anyone?   
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:24:54 +0000

I'm a bit fed up with MC poluting this group. Can't you lot keep it to
alt.games.mornington.cresent?

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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Ariston music for TV Advert
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:45:23 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <1993Jan11.074012.5489@jet.uk> djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:

>In <1993Jan9.003427.12406@lut.ac.uk> L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk writes:

>>Yes, I saw that dance programme, with the (French?) director's boy-throws-ball 
>>through window building up to an incredibly complex setup and down to nothing
>>again.

>>Anyone remember the name of the programme (BBC2), and the director of the piece?

>From your description, it sounds like the work of the Frenchman that directed
>New Order's award-winning video for the True Faith single.  I can't remember
>his name off-hand, I'll look it up when I get home this evening.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                   Phillippe Decoufle.


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: Video Plus 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:12:16 +0000

In article <memo.853262@cix.compulink.co.uk> dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>Unfortunately, Teletext UK has also fallen into this trap. If I want to ring 
>0898 numbers, I'll look them up. If I want to look at what's on the TV, I 

I suppose they have to pay a lot of money back to the ITC for the licence,
hence the large amount of advertising. The system itself is a crock of
McDonalds and should have had more pre-launch testing.   You cannot blame the
contributors per se for this.

Most electronic mediums have a lot of verbosity which cannot be bypassed as
easily as a printed publication. Take Usenet, packet radio or inter-company
messaging systems as an example of this.  You invariably get people trying to
be in the stats, known everywhere or posting the first message of the day,
just so they can get their rocks off in excitement.

>London, UK   |   Packet  : G7MIL @ GB7HSN.#32.GBR.EU    |  MO:  0000-0600 GMT
                                ^^

Remember folks, packet radio can be e-mailed directly over the Internet. It
is possible and legal in the states, but due to short sighted licensing
regulations, it is not here.


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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:24:41 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>         Just so.  Plainly, it wouldn't work at all.  In fact, any scheme
> that benefits only a fraction of the population is clearly doomed, as
> those who don't benefit won't pay.  This puts not only mortgage relief,
> but also pensions, universities [and perhaps all education], and many
> other things at risk -- *even if* we all think they're Good Things.

What makes you think that only a fraction of the population benefits from
pensions?  Or higher education?

> choose.  Ultimately, this scheme robs government of *any* power of
> social engineering [very broadly defined], even when the direction of
> movement [such as provision of pensions] enjoys very general support.

I can't work out what you're saying here.  If the direction of movement
enjoys very general support, then surely its supporters will fund the change.

Or are you talking about general support in the sense of "Yes, I think it
would generally be a good idea if someone else's money was spent on this"?

>         There is also the problem that many areas of expenditure are
> bimodal, so any "averaging" process is likely to produce poor results.
> Half a nuclear deterrent, a channel tunnel, a London ringroad, an army
> presence in Northern Ireland, etc., is simply worse than useless;  such
> things should be done well or not at all.

The "all or nothing" argument.

Half a war is clearly awful.  We should obviously have either no war, or an
all-out thermonuclear war.


mathew
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Video Plus
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:49:58 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc
Distribution: uk
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


I understood that Teletext was originally created in order to carry
subtitling and synopsis information for the deaf.  At that stage, there
must have been an intention of supporting Teletext from general revenue. 

Although advertising certainly has a place on Teletext, it has got out
of control now.  I'm also pretty tired of all their pushing of FilthLine
(tm) telephone services. 

Ken Johnson


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From: martin.briscoe@almac.co.uk (Martin Briscoe)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Video Plus
Date: 10 Jan 93 11:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: martin.briscoe@almac.co.uk (Martin Briscoe)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

PM.I liked the layout on Ceefax at first, probably because it was a change more
  .than anything... and I've been staring at the layouts for "Teletext on 3/4"

I agree on the side-bars on CEEFAX but there is just no comparison 
with the shambles on ITV / CH4 !  I saw one person saying that it 
reminded him of a certain Sunday "paper" - one big advert for 0898 
telephone numbers.

Big cock-up on CEEFAX (not corrected yet) is to have the television 
schedules for regional variations on BBC2 only - this is a big problem 
here in Scotland where much of the evening on BBC1 Scotland can be 
different from network.

               Martin

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From: clav08@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("k.inshuk", Mechanics of Materials )
Newsgroups: local.general,strath.general,west.general,uk.misc,eunet.misc
Subject: Information about ges driven vehicals
Keywords: I want information about conversion of general liquid driven vehicals to gas driven vehicals. Is there any equipment available for this purpose? I shall be grateful if anyone can give me the address, from where I can get such equipment? Any other informat
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:50:46 GMT
Reply-To: clav08@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

KINSHUK

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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hi-fi TV sound?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:57:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Many thanks for all your suggestions. For the moment I'm going to find out
whether the TV has an earphones or SCART (whatever that means) socket and try
that. Unfortunately the readies are not available for a separate tuner,
wonderful as they may be. When we get a video we'll make sure it has NICAM: and
it may well be rented or on HP.
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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Video Plus
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:49:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Steve "daffy" Hunt (steve@acorn.co.uk) wrote:
: The rest of television seems set to deteriorate too.  What I've seen
: of Carlton (replacement for Thames TV) has been discouraging.  The
: head of Carlton was interviewed the other night and said that they
: intended to stick to well-known formulae and avoid risky programmes -
: ie, innovation.  It was even suggested that they might make a UK
: version of the Golden Girls - ugh.

Yup, they are - called Brighton Belles about 3 middle aged single women
with one of their mother's sharing a house in a seaside/retirement
resort called Miami, sorry, Brighton.

Also, among other "new" programs from Carlton are: the Dave Allen Show,
Surprise Party (when someone is confronted by a presenter and a studio
full of friends and relations for a run through of his/her life story
- i.e. this is your life), etc.

: So it looks like we'll end up with four channels showing identical
: populist crap.

But now rather than having only one channel of populist crap you
have a choice of four competing suppliers of populist crap, thats
the wonderful thing about the free market :-)


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: Video Plus 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:12:56 +0000

In article <1iodi8INNifa@cardamom.compnews.co.uk> phil@compnews.co.uk writes:

>   /_/)  /             Phil Male, Director, Information Systems
>  / /_ '/  Computer Newspaper Services, The Bishops Manor, Howden, DN14 7BL
> / / ///    +44 43043 Tel: 1100 Fax: 1108/2022  email: phil@compnews.co.uk

Phil.. is PA itself on the Internet?

Regards
Darren

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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Drugs
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A776DAA975010855@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:04:57 GMT
Organization: No Affiliation
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:06:50 GMT

In article <29979@castle.ed.ac.uk> D I Laurenson, dil@castle.ed.ac.uk
writes:
>I'd like to see the emetic part - but it is very true that NO DRUGS ARE
>SAFE.  Each one must be used within the guidelines dictated for that
>drug eg. not operating machinery when on anti-histamines etc.  Having
>said all that, I would tend not to keep paracetamol in a house with
>children around because of the potency of the drug.  (Nor would I even
>dream of keeping anything more potent than Disprin in a house where a
>habitual abuser might be).

I would afree totally with the NO DRUGS ARE SAFE, hence the quotation 
marks around my usage of the word safe.

BTW, Last Saturday's episode of Casualty had a paracetamol theme which 
covered the problem reasonably sympathetically and accurately. I was 
quite impressed.

 ===> James Petts <===

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