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From: Andre.Rombauts@f2206.n293.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Rombauts)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: HELLO
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:25:27 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:293/2206 - Teachers' Forum, Fleron

 > Hi Lorna,
 >    Just wanted to say HI from Texas. I am Carol Cunningham and live
 > in Irving, TX which is a suburb of Dallas in North Central Texas.
 > Irving is a fairly large city having a population of over 150,000. I
 > am a private tutor working from my home. Having a congenital
Do you mean students are coming at your home or are you using computer networks to perform your teaching work?

.]I[. Andre Rombauts


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From: Cindy.Cole@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Cole)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Wakefield, RI
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 21:46:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/152 - SpaceMet North 2, Greenfield MA

She:Kon Kwe KWe
     My son graduated last May from URI and his girlfriend currently is pursueing her masters there.  If this is of help and I can connect you please ask further.
                                           Sken:nen


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From: Sam.Alessi@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Sam Alessi)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Pen Pals
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 12:26:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

MB>Hi Sam!

MB>My name is Marlene Buckley.  I'm a grade 5 teacher in Fort
MB>McMurray, Alberta, Canada.  Fort McMurray is a small city (about
MB>37,000) people in north-eastern Alberta.  I also teach in a
MB>school where many students come from low socio-economic
MB>backgrounds.  I would love to establish contact with others from
MB>around the world, as well.  My students have been very eager to
MB>"talk" with others from around the world.  If you're still
MB>interested in setting up pen pals from around the world for your
MB>class, let me know.  Hopefully, we'll be able to set something
MB>up.

MB>Marlene

Thanks for your reply Marlene.
I have now met my new class and they are very keen to communicate "talk" with other kids around the world. I would dearly love to set something up, however, please understand that we are new at this and could come up with some minor hiccups. Hope to hear from you in the new year.
Regards, Sam.


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From: Elizabeth.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Elizabeth Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: first message
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 12:30:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

Hello Patrick, I too am a new K12 user and am spending the holidays or
some of them getting myself familiar with this system - I am also new to
bbs but I can see it is extremely addictive. In NZ we have 6 weeeks
holiday from December to Feb 3  and I hope when school goes back to find
a modem and another computer installed in my school library which I run.
I am very anxious that students learn to use as many sources as possible
for obtaining information for school assignments (and anything else) and
learning about the wonders of bbs seems a good way to introduce more
kinds of information technology. I am also hoping to have a CD ROM
reader as well so have found the ideas and suggestions in the library
area most interesting. Have a great New Year, Liz Probert - across the
other side of the world!.
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From: Gordon.Benedict@f49.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Gordon Benedict)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Freedom of speech
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 11:53:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/49 - The Student Exchang, Calgary Alta

     Hi Ken,

 DKB> I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea of "banning" anyone's
 DKB> speech.

      Is denying FT's participation in K12Net really going to ban
      his free speech?  Is K12Net the last bastion of expression?
      Can FT not go elsewhere?  Is asking a distruptive student in
      a classroom to be quiet a judiciable action under the guise
      of freedom of speech in the USA?  It seems to me that people
      throw up this free speech thing without giving much thought
      to what it really means.

 DKB> Frank Topping sounds angry and nearly incoherent, but
 DKB> unless he says something actionable, why take action?  And if
 DKB> action is taken, let it be along customary lines
 DKB> of action for libel -- by some person who believes he or she
 DKB> has been libeled.

      Children who are disruptive in the classroom are usually asked
      to leave.  Adults who are disruptive, even in bars, are thrown
      out.  Frank is not an educator and has NO idea of what school
      teaching is about or what it involves, has grandiose ideas about
      how he is going to save America's youth from themselves.  I don't
      think Frank is even a parent.  He finds a lot of what youth do,
      even the mere expression by an 18 year old that they might go for
      a drink after the prom, disgusting and vile.

 DKB> Otherwise, my grandmother's advice still sounds good to me:
 DKB> Don't dignify it with an answer.

      I consider Frank to be the Jimmy Swaggart of telecoms.

      Gord


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From: Graham.Gales@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Graham Gales)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: G'day
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:34:48 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Thanks for your Oz Christmas meesage - it was good reading it (even for me a fellow aussie - maybe I shoiuld give the inland version of that)
BTW how did that red spot on your back turn out?  nothing nasty? funnelweb bite? allergy to tinsel in shops? nervous reaction to seeing sixteen santas in three days?
anyway have a good break ...
r4egards,
Graham


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Armed Forces
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 22:51:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <20 Dec 92  14:08:00> to <Steve Larson> about <Greetings from Down Under>,
Peter Macinnis wrote:
 
 SL>Now, perhaps you could advise as to the true pronunciation of "lieutenant"?

 PM> Having once been one, I found that the senior WO's usually pronounced
 PM> it "horrible little pain in the [mumbled possible expletive?].  As
 PM> these people have been in the Army for many years, this is, I assume,
 PM> the traditional pronunciation.

Well, I've never been in the armed forces, but both of my parents were,
and, if memory serves, their pronunciation agrees with yours.

My mother was a British Army Nurse and I got the feeling that she treated
the whole thing as a big joke.  Her one piece of advice to me (should I
ever find myself in a uniform) was:

NEVER volunteer for ANYTHING!  :-)

Regards,
Steve

... I'm not dead. I'm electroencephelographically challenged.

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From: Joe.Novello@p0.f732.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Novello)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Hello There
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 13:39:21 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/732.0 - Lincoln County Scho, Newport OR

Hello Patrick, 
 
It is nice to see K12 expanding globally.  I teach Industrial Technology 
in the small community of Lincoln City Oregon USA.  I often wonder about 
how my subject specialty it taught in other countries, especially in 
Europe.  
 
I look forward to watching conversations ranging from chit-chat to 
philosophy from your part of the world. 
 
Welcome aboard and Merry Christmas.
 
Joe



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From: Andre.Rombauts@f2206.n293.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Rombauts)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: first message
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 08:18:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:293/2206 - Teachers' Forum, Fleron

 > years old and we are looking for contacts all over the world. Please
 > send me an answer just to see that my call has been heard somewhere!!
So they did, Patrick! You got 3 answers for K12net members overseas... We are waiting for your students' messages/projects in Senior chat and also Francais (give your French colleagues some messages from that Echo...).

 > Merry Christmas from Belgium !!
Joyeux Noel et meilleurs voeux pour 1993 et... "longue vie"  toi dans K12!

.]I[. Andre Rombauts, European moderator


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Australian Christmas
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:00:09 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <20 Dec 92  14:00:00> to <All> about <Australian Christmas  2/2>,
Peter Macinnis wrote:

 PM> Well, that is Christmas in urban, coastal Australia.  Inland, we have
 PM> had good rain, but within a few weeks, it will be dry again, the red
 PM> dust will swirl, and the grass will be brown once more.  To outsiders,
 PM> it will seem desolate, bare and forbidding, to us it will be like
 PM> home.

Thanks so much for opening a window on your Christmas!
It was delightful and I thoroughly enjoyed the view!

Season's Greetings to you and yours!

Regards,
Steve


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From: Ron.Chartrand@f118.n244.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Chartrand)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: buy...this
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:16:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:244/118 - Renzo's Roost, Hamilton ON

Sorry to interrupt but may I suggest you invest in CD-ROM and Multimedia hardware. Buy a computer related magazine for comparative shopping.


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From: Jim.Powell@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Powell)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 16:06:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hi Susan,
   I have apologies for not writing.  My class is much more difficult to handle than I expected this year and there seems to be a great deal of additional things that are required of me and of them.  I will soon haviing a few of them writing much better.  I hope I can get some letters to you.  I'll try.  Also there seem to be some smute peddlars on this message area.  I need to be careful and not subject my or you students to some unwanted messages.  I hope you understand.  
   We had a great Christmas program at school.  I am now enjoying my vacation.  I will be Santa's helper a few times this season.  I new grandchildren will like it I know.  I wish you, your students, and family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
 
 
Best to you,  Jim Powell


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From: Elizabeth.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Elizabeth Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Libraries
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 12:30:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

SP=8>One suggestion on one computer and a lot of students.  We
SP=8>can upload an ASCII file and attach it to a message.  That
SP=8>way a class of students can communicate with a basic word
SP=8>processor that saves in ASCII format then you can upload
SP=8>the messages.  That way very little on line time is used.

SP=8>I have very successfully used this with middle school
SP=8>students ages 11 -14.  I agree that vague pen-pal messages
SP=8>are a bit weak.  Our age students love surveys.  Hope this
SP=8>has been a bit of help.
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From: Edward.Dunagin@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Dunagin)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Chips
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 11:23:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH


HS>   ED>     386. Make sure you have a 14450 chip for the hi speed modem
HS>   ED>     connections. It's either on the Mother board or the modem board.

HS>  Do you mean a 16550 chip?

Woops, I stand corrected, sorry "Teach"<g>. Note my tagline.

Peace...................................Ed


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From: usgcjsx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Craig_J_Stadler)
Subject: Free Test Generation Software
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:48:12 GMT

TestPRO 2.0 Test Generation Software is now available on the following
sites :

129.206.100.126   /pub/msdos/simtel/education  or  /incoming
128.214.6.100     /pub/msdos/misc/education    or  /pub/msdos/incoming
128.214.87.1      /pc/incoming                 or  /pub/education
129.128.16.96     /pub/dos/education           or  /incoming
146.169.2.1       /tmp
128.200.15.20     /incoming
128.252.135.4     /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS
192.88.110.20    /PW:<NEW.MSDOS>

Special Thanks to all of you who helped in the Beta Testing of TestPRO 2.0!!
Enjoy,

Craig J. Stadler


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From: laltizer@radford.vak12ed.edu (Larry W. Altizer)
Subject: Wakefield, RI
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:39:39 GMT

I'm trying to connect with Wakefield, RI.  I would like to
connect with someone at Wakefield Elementary School or the
University of Rhode Island.  If you can help please e-mail me
at laltizer@radford.vak12ed.edu or laltizer@swvgs.vak12ed.edu.
Thanks for the help.

Larry

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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: K12net
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:44:53 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

To: Frank Topping

K12net is a good educational network.

It cannot cure society's ills.

When improper messages are posted the are corrected privately and  
effectively via netmail.

We do not continually quote filth over and over again.  You do.

 



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From: kbradfor@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Dr. Kenneth Bradford)
Subject: Freedom of speech
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:40:39 GMT

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea of "banning" anyone's
speech.  Frank Topping sounds angry and nearly incoherent, but
unless he says something actionable, why take action?  And if
action is taken, let it be along customary lines
of action for libel -- by some person who believes he or she
has been libeled.

Otherwise, my grandmother's advice still sounds good to me:
Don't dignify it with an answer.
From: Graham.Gales@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Graham Gales)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Message
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:36:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Good to know that you got ythe meesage to 'John Waddell', but my question is did mine get ythere on time?  I did not seee your request until 7 Dec my time and so I was a bit uncertain whether it would make it to you by Dec 7 your ti8me.


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From: bx749@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ron Dupuis)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: New BBS
Date: 27 Dec 1992 13:30:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Our school has just set up a BBS that is carrying feeds from schlnet 
and k12net. We are members of FredMail, but we would also like to be
members of k12net. I would appreciate someone letting me know what
we need to do to become a member. We are not presently a member of
FidoNet and we have an internet-type address.
Ron Dupuis
email address: dupuis@scotmhs.fred.org
Baton Rouge, La.
From: Robert.Brault@f130.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Brault)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Is K12Net a faulty product?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:30:52 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/130 - SPPRLBL, Laval PQ

 FT> Helen - Jack Crawford and the K12Net Council are the ones obstructing
 FT> open and honest discussion of the dangers involved in networking via
 FT> K12Net, (sm),(tm) Jack Crawford, Stanley, N.Y.

        You forgot to mention all the moderators, many teachers and sysops....Maybe the WHOLE K12 community is against you ! Must be quite a burden to be the ONLY one with THE thruth ?

        The way I remember our previous encounters (but of course, i'm surely biased since i'm a moderator myself) with you; discussion was NEVER possible with you since all you could generate were attacks, attacks and again attacks against everybody not sharing your "state of affairs" of the numerous DANGERS of K12.

 FT> As long as this obstruction continues you can DAMNED WELL expect I'll be
 FT> opposing the forcing of K12Net into California unchallenged.

        As I recall, K12Net is a private distribution "network" and no one is forced to carry any of its message sections anywhere...

 FT> Responsible discussion is a simple thing to ask for.
 FT>  
 FT> Responsible discussion would be a simple thing to grant.

        It is and that is what we have when you are NOT around to insult everyone and try to impose your OWN agenda to everyone and all. I have found out (as maybe others have found out too...) that it's quite impossible to "discuss" with you and for that single attitude you have had in the past on K12 you were the ONLY ONE ever banished from K12.

        So why do you come back ? Don't you have other "battles" to fight elsewhere ? How come you have access here and are not a teacher ?


 FT> btw - there _are_ nets out there that _don't_ endanger kids &
 FT> put teachers at liability to risks they're intentionally kept
 FT> in the dark of.

        Then go to these safe nets or even better start your own net with your own high standards on it and good luck !

        And please leave us alone so we can go on in K12 with all the goodwill each and everyone of us is trying to put into that "network" we learn to like a lot over time and keep your energies for something else .... elsewhere.....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert


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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: work sheet 2
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 23:48:14 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

(c) 1992, Helen Sternheim
SpaceMet/5C5E Project
PO Box 740
Five Colleges, Inc.
Amherst, MA 01003
FidoNet 1:321/110



                                                      Telecomm Activities  - 2

9.  Go to the national Educator message area (message area 26).  Find a
message that is interesting to you.   List the number of the message, where it
was from (BBS Origin) and the date it was sent.

_______________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________

10.  Go to K12 Teacher Chat (message area H4).  Read some of the messages
there.  __________Check.

11.  Go to one of the K12 subject matter areas.  Read some messages.  Reply if
appropriate.  __________Check

12.  Go to one of the national Ecology or Environmental message areas.  (There
are 4 of them).  Read at least 5 messages in the area you choose.  Note an
interesting message.  What are its number and subject line?

_______________________________________________________

13.  Go to Message Area 18, the national Latino echo.  Read some of the
messages.  If you are able to read Spanish, please translate a message and
tell us what it says.  Please enter a message in this area if you feel
comfortable doing this.

__________________________________________________________________

__________________________________________________________________

__________________________________________________________________

14. Go to Message Area D1 (K12 Elementary Chat) or D2 (K12 Jr High Chat).
Read the last 10 messages.  Would your class enjoy using this area?
____________.


This completes Part I.  We have covered most but not all the options in the
Message Areas; we will cover uploading messages in Part II.  At some point you
may want to explore the Q)uote, F)orward, and B)rowse commands.  You may also
want to use the + and - keys to follow an ongoing discussion in a conference.

                      Part II -  File Section Activities

15.  Go to the Main Menu and from there to the Files area.  Go to file area 1.
Enter an F followed by two returns to see a listing of all the files in the
area.  Make a note of a text file of interest.  (Most text files end in .DOC
or .TXT; files with extensions of .ARC or .ZIP are usually programs or
compressed text files.)  Write its name, number of bytes (characters), and
date.

______________________________________________

16.  Using the V)iew command start displaying the file you made note of above
__________Check.

17.  Use the L)ocate command to find files relating to a topic of interest.
(Enter a "string" of a few letters, e.g., math, water, climate ...).  Note the
string you used and how many files the system found.

_________________________________

18.  Select a text file from the list produced with the L)ocate command.  Go 



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From: Robert.Brault@f130.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Brault)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Moderating
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:02:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/130 - SPPRLBL, Laval PQ

Hi Carol !

        i'm writing to you because you are the zone 1 moderator for this message area. (I have also posted a similar message in K12_Sysops)

        I saw your message to Frank Topping (dated December 13th) asking him to stop his recent trend stream of messages. I just saw another of his messages here today (dated December 19th). 

        Maybe you are unaware of this (after all nobody can know K12 history prior to their "arrival" on K12), but mister Frank Topping was banished from K12 after much too long tolerance from all of us on K12. So, I would like to know what you are doing in regard to this recent situation ?

Thank you,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert


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From: Mort.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Mort Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Freedom of speech
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:28:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In an article of <Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:40:39 GMT>, kbradfor@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Dr. Kenneth Bradford) writes:


 DK>I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea of "banning" anyone's
 DK>speech.  Frank Topping sounds angry and nearly incoherent, but
 DK>unless he says something actionable, why take action?  And if


There are two pertinent reasons that are each sufficient for banishing  
somebody from an electronic mail conference, either in fidonet or in usenet.  

1.  Flaming - personal attacks
2.  Posting inappropriate material.

Topping has done both repeatedly despite frequent warnings and requests over  
an extended period of time - months and years, in fact.  

Morton Sternheim
Professor of Physics and Director, NSF 5C5E Project
University of Massachusetts
Member, K12Net Council
 



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