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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Jeter, Datlow, Atmospheric Horror (was Re: MetaHorror)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.031626.10373@cs.rochester.edu> garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett) writes:
>>Did anybody read this and like it? I'd be curious to hear your impressions?
>
>I enjoyed the book a great deal, I also enjoy the horror stories that
>Datlow picks for "The Years Best Fantasy and Horror" compilations as well
>as her other anthologies.  I far prefer relatively quiet introspective
>horror ...
> ... and K.W. Jeter (just about
>everything). 

I'll second this. In fact, I find that my taste agrees with Datlow's 
more often than not (her selections/summations for Year's Best Fantasy 
and Horror and her two vampire anthologies are my primary evidence for 
this). 

In addition to Datlow's two other anthologies, I'll plug Etchison's 
other anthologies and collections without exception. Remarkable stuff. 
'Masters of Darkness' was somewhat uneven, but still well worth 
reading for the many gems contained therein. The others that come to 
mind immediately are: Dark Gods, Red Dreams, The Blood Kiss and 
The Cutting Edge. 

I'm also very impressed with Jeter from the one book I've read of his, 
'The Land of the Dead'. This is perhaps the best horror novel I've 
read in the last year. Very atmospheric and bleak. I'm looking forward 
to reading some of his other work. 

Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: recommendation -- Batman:  Gothic
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:32:54 GMT

Just got a new Batman graphic novel, which I think readers of this
group might enjoy.  As the subject line says, it's called ``Gothic.''

For that matter, another one that I'm sure people here would like, is
called ``Arkham Asylum:  a Serious Place on Serious Earth.''  This one
is on much higher quality paper than any of the others, and is also
very good for generating nightmares...

-Joe.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: JL
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:02:58 GMT

Ok... I have to admit there was one part of Jacobs Ladder that had me crawling
that was the near labotomy scene. Just the thought was euuuuuu.... Like
the one in HellBound (Hellraiser 2)..... 

My freind bought the Alien 3 pack and the making was pretty cool... ButI have
a question, I know one of the horror mags told why but I never bought the mag.
What was the lawsuit that pushed the release of Alien 3 back 2 years? 
It was due for a summer 90 release but what happened?

I also think that the T2/A3 endings were a little to close... 
Cowinkydink?

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From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: HellRaiser
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:17:51 GMT

Guitar for the Practicing Musician has "word-for-word now" in the
August 1992 pg 9 under The Buzz article

.... Vocalist JOHN BUSH has left ARMORED SAINT to join ANTHRAX, filling
the slot vacated by JOEY BELLADONNA. While the movie appears to signal
an end to the Saint, the band does appear intact performing "Reign Of Fire"
and "Symbol of Salvation" in the New World film HELLRAISER III, wherein
the demise of the group on screen is at the hands of the infamous Pinhead!
MOTORHEAD also contributes two songs to the soundtrack, a cover of OZZY's
"Hellraiser" and the newly written "Hell on Earth"....

Things that make you go hmmmmmm, I guess we'll have to wait for the damn thing
to come out to see for sure!!!!

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From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
Subject: H.R. Giger's Alien
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:49:42 GMT

I was going to buy a book called "H.R. Giger's Alien" from the local comic
book shop, but it's 40 smackers and I'm cheap.  Can anyone give me a short
review of what's in it et cetera?  I'd just look but they sealed it up so
you'd have to buy it to read it.
	--MLM

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From: espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund)
Subject: Necronomicon
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:47:29 GMT


There's been much talking bout Giger's Necronomicon at this group lately,
but does anyone out there know about a necronomicon which is NOT Gigers?
I heard about a "The Necronomicon"  from St.Helier: N.Spearman, 1978,
and I think there was some researches by a Dr.<something> there. Has anybody
ever seen it/heard about it?

Another question: What exactly is the differnce between Gigers Necronomicon
and Necronomicon II ?

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From: brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney)
Subject: Re: _I_Am_Legend_ by Richard Matheson
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:02:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.041818.19092@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>[cross-posting of a thread from rec.arts.books]
>Kyle Grieser writes:
>>My father has been looking for this book for about 20 years.  Does anyone
>>know anything about it?  I'd really appreciate any info you could give
>>me.  My dad says that he heard that it was re-published last year, yet
>>he still can't find it anywhere....
>
>I don't have any bibliographic info for the recent re-publication, but
>as the SubGenius has already--most lyrically--said, your best bet is
>used bookstores.

   I'll plug it again since it's so great...

   Do yourself a favor and seek out the I Am Legend graphic novel series
by Eclipse books.  The first three (of four) books are out, and the fourth
is due sometime this Fall.  The telling is faithful, and the black and
white artwork stunning.  You won't be sorry!

   - larry


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From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: New Clive Barker
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:46:02 GMT
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Date Entered: 09-13-92 03:39
In a recent post I stated that I knew of a new Clive Barker novel that 
coming this fall.  The title is 'Thief of Always'.  The plot, 
according to my source, deals with someone sent into the past of a 
small Montana town afflicted with a strange malaise after an 
extraterrestrial visit.  It is due in November.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:51:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.214034.202@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>
>This newsgroup seems to be having difficulty, of late, accepting
>psychological horror as horror.  Hmmm... Remember that the label
>for the genre is the *emotion* that it's intended to evoke, not the
>content of the story.  

Yeah, and 'Jacob's Ladder' evoked a lot of those, never will I go
and see such a great horror film alone ! :)

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From: mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Something about the dark half..
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:55:10 GMT

This might be old news to all of you, but I was in a computer software store
the other day and there was a game for IBM's called "THE DARK HALF" with
a cover like Stephen King's book.  On the back of the game box there's a
picture from what will be the movie (a film cut).  Check it out...


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:24:57 EDT
From: Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Horror Con. In Chicago

Hi there. Me and a friend are going to the Fangoria Weekend of Horrors
in Chicago for Halloween and I was wondering if anyone else out there
is also going. I guess its actuallly in Villa Park(a suburb?)
Anyway, if anyone else is gonna be there, E-mail me and maybe we can
discuss horror(what else is there?)

Todd Bobenrieth
TAB129@PSUVM
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From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Organization: Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:45:27 GMT


-- 
Oops.  A sentence was missing from my last posting.  It should say
that Lovecraft also had many friends who wrote and conjectured about
the fictitious Necronomicon, but who never believed in it's existence
or in Abdul Alhazred (for the above mentioned reasons in my last posting).

Sorry about that.
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon Marwood)
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:59:00 GMT

In article <92254.144019TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>
>Prince o' Darkness:  I love the communication across time thing.  He should
>have done a little more with the dream sequences:  "We are broadcasting from
>the year 199....."  That also wigged me out.  I didn't, and still don't, follow
>what the hell is going on with it, but I loved it. The end.... well, see it.
>Great freaking ending.  Couldn't have been done better (although I hate when
>you don't _really know_ what happens once and for all, but it does make for
>great endings).

Ya, for sure. Cool ending, but a little unclear as to whether that was a
dream sequence, or whether anything more actually happens after the movie
closes (don't want to give away the ending, people who've seen it will know
what I mean).

>Of course, Halloween was his best.  I even like the various sequels to it,
>although I hope he ends them after the next film. (By the way, I don't
>count 3 as a sequel to Halloween, and neither should anyone with half a brain).

Hear hear. Carpenter is not actually involved at all in the making of the
Halloween films any longer. He and Debra Hill bailed out after either #2 or
#3. The executive producer, Moustapha Akkad is the guy in charge now. He has
said he will make them as long as they still bring people in (said just before
#5 came out). Interestingly enough, they still put Carpenter's name in
fairly big letters on the movie posters... preceded by the much smaller text:
"Halloween theme by:" :)

Simon
From: enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Hellraiser3, aliens book
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:55:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep11.211915.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>	please, please, please, since hellraiser 3 comes out today (friday) in
>most areas, before we see it (i know i'll be first in line =) )we must remember
>clive barker had nothing to do with it- he washed his hands of the whole thing 
>a while ago.  i'd just hate to find out that it's a terrible movie and have

Did he?  I heard he approved of the script.  Not to mention he is
executive producer of Hell on Earth.  He also participated in a Hellraiser III
preview day, signing autographs at Golden Apple Comics in LA last weekend.

BTW, the movie is poorly directed, but some of the scenes are OK.  The effects
on the whole suck, but some of the gore is OK.  I wish Tony Randel wasn't
taken off this one.  He did good with Hellbound.

Peter Atkins the screenwriter plays the bartender and Anthony Hickox has a
cameo as a soldier.  When Doc is flipping channels, it appears he flips by E!
and Hickox's name is prominently displayed on the bottom of the screen.

>everyone start flaming poor clive (although 2 was not quite what i was hoping, 

No, I'm blaming Hickox.  He also did Waxwork which I thought sucked.  He
has finished Waxwork 2 and is now working on Warlock 2.  He even made
Pinhead look pitiful and got only a so-so performance out of Bradley.

ed


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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: Marriage as Hell: Charlotte Perkins Gilman on TV
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:38:40 GMT

In <1992Sep8.120451.1892@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:

{excellent review deleted to save space}

>Fiona, since you appear to be up on the latest in feminist horror 
>literature and film, perhaps I should aim this question at you.  I have 
>heard reference to a piece called (I think) "The Madwoman in the Attic" 
>which seems to vaguely resemble the story line you outline for "The Yellow 
>Wallpaper."  Do you know if they are one in the same?  If not, do you know 
>anything about "The Madwoman in the Attic?"  Who wrote it?  Is it fiction 
>or non-fiction?  When was it written?  If you don't know, perhaps one of 
>the other netters can help out.

>Andrea @ BVC

Just in case you don't have your answer yet (perhaps it was emailed) I
can give you the reference.

_The_Madwoman_in_the_Attic:_The_Woman_Writer_and_the_Nineteenth_Century_Literary_Imagination.
Sandra M. Gilbert and Susan Gubar
New Haven, Conn.: Yale U.P., 1979.
ISBN 0300022867

It is an anthology of literary criticism and well worth reading if you
are at all interested in how the production and consumption of the
novel has been gendered historically.  Another anthology you may find
useful would be:

_The_Female_Gothic_
Juliann E. Fleenor
Montreal: Eden Publishers, 1983
ISBN 0920792065

Ian
From: tejada@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Sheila Tejada)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Hellraiser Info
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:05:44 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Originator: tejada@oahu.cs.ucla.edu



This last weekend there was a promotional signing for the Hellraiser3
movie.  Clive Barker, Peter Atkins, Doug Bradley (Pinhead), and 
some actress from the movie were all there signing autographs.
I got a chance to talk with Clive.  He didn't say much about 
Hellraiser III, but he talked about his upcoming projects.  He said
that he has two more films coming out this year - Candyman (which
he seemed very pleased with) and an animated version of one of his
books.  He said that Candyman was due out in October, and he is also
coming out with a new book. When I talked to Peter Atkins about the
rumors of plans for a Hellraiser IV already he said that the probability
was very good for a another movie.  Doug Bradley said that they were 
going to continue making movies while they still make money.  Sounds
sort of like the "Freddie-and-Jason syndrome".  They also showed some
clips from the movie.  They looked pretty good.  They were mostly scenes
with Pinhead.  In an earlier posting someone mentioned another Barker
film "Angel Dust".  I had never heard of it before, and I seem to be
having trouble finding it on video.  I was wondering if he actually
directed or produced it or was it just taken from one of his stories?



Sheila 
Xref: sparky alt.horror:3811 rec.arts.movies:27410
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:24:08 EDT
From: Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: The Final Friday The 13th

I just read that Friday the 13th will be having its FINAL chapter for real.
Here is what the article says...

"The final Friday the 13th has been pushed back a ways: plans now call for the
film to hit theaters next August 13. Delayed be script rewrites, the last
Jason epic still doesn't have an official title."

This is from Fangoria #117.
Newsgroups: alt.horror,misc.writing
From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts)
Subject: Re: Horror Magazines
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:46:51 GMT

Well open your buffer, start your printer...
I'll throw out a couple of names and adresses for horror magazine submissions,
but one guidline I suggest you take to heart.... SEND FOR THE GUIDLINES FIRST!
I think this is probably the first law of any unsolicited submissions every-
where!

here we go... straight from the 1990 edition of the writers handbook
(not my fault if some of these are obsolete!)

_2AM_
p.o. box 6754, Rockford, Il 61125-1754
Gretta M. Anderson Ed.
1/2 cent on acceptance...

_TWISTED_
22071 Pinewood Dr., Antioch, Il 60002,
Christian Hoard, Ed
to 5,000 words, pays in copies

_PORTENTS_
12 Fir Pl., Hazlet, NJ 07730
Deborah Rasmussen Ed
to 3,000 words. 1/4 cent on publication

_New Blood_
540 W. Foothill Blvd., Suite 3730, Glendora CA 91740
Chris Lacher Ed
from 3 cents on acceptance...

_Haunts_
Nightshade publications, Bpx 3342, Providence RI 02906
Joseph J Cherkes Ed
1,500- 8,000 words 1/4 to 1/3 cent on publication
submit June 1-Dec 1

_Grue_ 
Box 370, Times Square Sta., New York, NY 10108
Peggy Nadramia Ed
1/2 cent on publication


well... thats it for now, it should get ya started with all
of those fabulous SASE's...

let me know when your tongue is wet again...

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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: OK.... NOW I'm moving. <packs luggage>
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:13:36 GMT

In article <sterling.715559445@crash> sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling) writes:
>In <185j6rINNe8h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>
>
>>First that antique shop opened up w/ the Monkey from the cover
h
>>...then I saw a black Toronado and tons of sparrows while
>>re-reading "The Dark Half..."
>
>>Right now I'm re-reading "IT," and I passed that antique shop on
>>my way home from work. Sitting in the window is now an old bike
>>that looks just like Silver from the book.
>
>>I'm not making any of this up!!! It's the WEIRDEST string of
>>coincidences that's ever occurred to me.
>
>>Hmmmmm... wonder what would happen if I started 
>>reading "Penthouse Forum."   :)
>
>Just don't buy anything, especially if it seems to be "too good to be true."
>
And especially don't bury anything in a down the path cemetary!
And return your library books!

			-Casey Hopkins
			hopkins@agora.rain.com

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From: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger's Alien
Reply-To: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:11:10 GMT

There is also a computer game out now based on his artwork. The game 
has nothing to do with Alien, but I can't remember the name of it. I know
you can get it through Babbages.

Jeff Frazier (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:35:47 -0400 
From: Frederick D Wong <fw0a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
	<BuL5IC.4A2@rice.edu>

Well, as far as I know the Necronomicon was a book describing the
symbols and arcane lore of the elder gods. It was first written by the
"mad Arab" Abdul Azared (I don't think that's the correcy spelling) but
I do know that he was mysteriously devoured by invisible entities in
broad daylight in front of several witnesses. That's what the legend is,
at least.

Fred Wong
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: sex and horror
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:30:10 GMT

>z

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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jtaylor@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Jason Taylor)
Subject: Back from HR3
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:49:42 GMT

Hi all,

  I watched the first two films and loved them.  I was really kinda nervous
about this one, because the Hellraiser series is JUST TOO GOOD to go the
way of Freddy or Jason.  The rumors were flying that it would be full of
rock music and generally be a bad sequel.

  Well -- NOPE!  I loved it.  There were about 30 seconds of head-banging
in the whole movie.  The rest was filled with the haunting theme music of
the first two.  To tell you the truth, I don't know which of the three I
like the most -- just that there are good reasons for choosing any of them.

  I'm not going to give you a spoiler, because there's no reason not to see
this one!  If you like Hellraiser, this movie is a real treat, after
waiting four years or so since II.  

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