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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Seriously, a joke.
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:54:46 GMT

Q Why are Irish joke so stupid?

A So that English people can understand them.

Who is insulted by this. More interestingly, why?

Richard.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8656 soc.culture.british:18481
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: This Favorite Lie Again.
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:24:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1993Jan11.115354.50103@ccvax.ucd.ie> mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.101550.6899@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
>(Matthew Huntbach) writes :
>> But this is precisely what has been done. The British
>> government unilaterally closed down Northern Ireland's devolved
>> government, and won't restore it until the Unionists agree to a
>> power-sharing system.
>
>If you are referring to the sunningdale devolved government; saying that the
>british government "unilaterally" closed it down, is being a bit generous.
>
No, this is quite obviously not what I am referring to. I was
referring to the devolved government which existed in Northern
Ireland in 1922-72 when the Unionists governed under the
Westminster convention that absolute power always goes to the
laregst party, none goes to the smaller party, and in NI the
largest party was always the Unionists.

The message from which you slectively quote went on to support
power-sharing on the Sunningdale lines, and I think it is a
matter of great regret that the then Labour government gave in
to the Unionist strike so that Sunningdale was never given
chance to work.

Matthew Huntbach
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:56:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0DKy9.3CA
Organization: Open Communications Forum



I think perhaps US law has changed in this regard, because I remember very
clearly the distress my oldest daughter's Anglo-American 1st boyfriend 
suffered when he had to pick one citizenship or the other at either age 18
or 21 (I forget which, now). He was *very* upset at having to decide between
the two because he loved both countries, and spent time in both regularly.

I know he wasn't joking about it, and he wasn't the type of kid to refuse to
tell us (out of pride) if he had been mistaken. (More likely he'd have called
us and told us how happy he was...)

If they've now changed the rule (this was 20 years ago) he must feel very
cheated....  :-(

Suze
From: phk@thomson-lcr.fr (Philippe Kerlirzin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: buy-a-broom
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:03:58 GMT
Organization: Thomson-CSF LCR, Orsay, France

I bought some days ago, 'Fuaim' by Clannad and there is a song in English entitled
'Lish Young Buy-a-broom'. 
I am French and I did not know the words 'buy-a-broom' nor 'lish' . So I sought them 
in my English-French dictionary but I did not find them. I suppose those words are 
some dialectal Irish English words. Can someone explain me the meaning of those words,
or even (maybe it's a dream) a French translation ?


------------------
      Philippe KERLIRZIN             e-mail : kerlirzin@thomson-lcr.fr

-- 
------------------
      Philippe K.
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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Prague
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:24:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan12.022411.19216
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

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Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
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James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
From: scimitar@suction.acme.gen.nz (Robert Singers)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 13:03:59 +1300
Organization: Barbed Wire Cat Productions

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

> tartan. The only law that ever existed r.e. Tartan was the one banning
> it's wearing by anyone, after the 1745 rebellion.

Yeah I thought I had read something about that.  Sorry I only have a 
vague idea of european history.  When was the law repealed?  ANd what 
was the 1745 rebellion?

Robert Singers               | Nothing I say or do should be taken as
scimitar@suction.acme.gen.nz | a reflection of any form of reality or
                             | consensual hallucination.
** It's not my spelling (much) that's faulty.  It's this keyboard! **
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,alt.mythology
From: marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Luc Marcouiller)
Subject: Summer solstice celebration
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Reply-To: marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:49:51 GMT

Hi folks !

Around summer solstice next june some friends and I are planning to celebrate
the event in a celtic fashion.  Why is this you may ask.  First off all we
have our national celebration around this time, it's called "fete de la St-
Jean" (it's in french; Jean may translate to John, dunno) and from what I
have read it is the christians transposition of the "pagan" celtic tradition
of lighting a bonfire and sing and dance to traditionnal music (reels and jigs;
sorry for the spelling).  I may precise that the nation we are celebrating is
Quebec, the french speaking province of Canada, and that the majority of early
immigrants came from Bretagne in France and later Ireland.  So we would like
to honor our origins and celebrate the original event that gave birth to our
national tradition.  So far we were planning to:

	- have some kind of field games in the afternoon on a background of
	  celtic music.
	- have a live celtic band in the evening
	- have a big meal at dusk with beer and lamb cooked on the broach
	- and of course light a big bonfire and drink and sing and dance
	  until dawn. (We did this anyway for the last ten years)

We were also planning on asking guests to dress with something relevent for
the event.  It's here that you net peoples come into play!  Our knowledge of
what exactly is the celtic tradition of this celebration has been lost in time
by successive assimilation by other cultures (christian, court of France just
to name a few).  We don't have much clues, the only things I know come from
the few readings around celtic culture (The mists of Avalon comes to mind: the
Beltane fires and the king Stag) and my stay in Sweden few years back.

I would trully appreciate any enlightment, pointers and so on on the folowing
topics:

	- suggestions of field games (I have the highland games in mind when
	  I'm writing this)
	- music, bands, what, when (part of the day/night)
	- alcoolic beverages (I'm planning a least a keg of homebrew)
	- food (not to difficult to cook and serve for 20-30 guests)
	- how to dress (this could be really fun to do)
	- decoration
	- historic/cultural background of this tradition
	- anything else you can think of !

We hope to make this celebration memorable and everybody here agrees that you
can't avoid your feet wanting to dance like hell when you hear a good reel.

Thank's a million for your attention

R'gards

Luc

-- 
   Luc Marcouiller,                  Institut de Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec,
   Chercheur                         marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
From: mcgraw@titan.ppd.kodak.com (Edward McGraw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Ref. Micheal O'Hehir
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:47:27 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company

I don't know his intro remarks at the beginning of a game,
but i believe Micheal O'Hehir was best known for the words
I'ts a goal! 
I played my copy of RTE's anniversary album last night which has
a couple of cut from his broadcasts, and you'd think you were
right there. For example, the Cork - Wexford hurling final of 
1956 when the great Christy Ring steps up for a free in and hurls
the sliothar under the bar to "It's a goal!  It's a goal!  And
you've never seen such excitement in all your life! - then you 
realize that you have just heard the gretest sports announcer in the 
English speaking world. 
He did his first commentary on 8/14/1938 when Galway defeated
Monaghan in the All-Ireland football semi-final. In the years
before TV, Micheal was the eyes for thousands who sat around 
their wireless sets to hear his commentaries. Batteries were
saved for the match and the house with the wireless was the 
center of attracton. His descriptions of the action were taken
as gospel, in fact when matches were being discussed afterwards,
his words were more believed than those of any other reporter
or spectator. If Micheal said it, it was true.
The accent marks on Micheal (pronounced me-hall) are on the i 
and a.
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re:  Shetland spill
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:01:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


According to the Associated Press the Braer (Liberian registered tanker)
was abandoned by crew.  It was completely inoperable.  Very heavy winds
and crashing seas were sending it toward the shore near Sumburgh Head at 
the southernmost point of Shetland.  It is threatening thousands of
puffins, loons, gull and eider ducks.  Two oil-coated seals have been
seen.  This area is also home to the common porpoise and killer whales.
The winds are blowing from the south threatening to spread oil up the
west coasts of the islands.  

At this point that's all I've seen about the ship other than it is
carrying more oil than the Valdez.

--
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Shetlands oil fiasco
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:18:06 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

As of BBC Radio 4 Noon news today, the ship is in four pieces, all
the oil will leak if it hasn't done already, and the weather is
helping to disperse the oil. 

Brendan.
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: '45 ( Was: Kilts)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:00:15 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <cHFZwB2w165w@suction.acme.gen.nz> scimitar@suction.acme.gen.nz (Robert Singers) writes:
>morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>
>> tartan. The only law that ever existed r.e. Tartan was the one banning
>> it's wearing by anyone, after the 1745 rebellion.
>
>Yeah I thought I had read something about that.  Sorry I only have a 
>vague idea of european history.  When was the law repealed?  ANd what 
>was the 1745 rebellion?

Briefly ( as I have to rush off to the loo), the 1745 rebellion involved
Bonnie Prince Charlie, grandson of the deposed James VII of Scotland and
II of England, landing to Scotland with a handful of followers,
gaining the support of many highland clans, and marching as far south as
Derby in England before retreat and bloody defeat at Culloden in 1746.
After his escape, many punitive measures were exacted on the Higland
people, including attempts to destroy their culture, such as the banning
of highland dress, playing of pipes and use of Gaelic.

Can't remember when this was repealed - 40 years later maybe - must dash

M

-- 
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish Books/U.S. Bookshops
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:43:44 GMT
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Organization: N.I.C.E.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Tony J. Hurson writes:
>.... Am I right in concluding
>that American readers consider Irish literature world class, but reject
>the country's politics and history as parochial or uninteresting?

It's an interesting question ... I suspect the answer is probably yes.
Certainly coverage of the 20th century gets short shrift here.  I'm
not sure the reason is all that difficult; Ireland is a small European
country & doesn't have colorful imperialist periods or the like --
what else is history made of?  But what she does have is unique
culture, much of it invested in the craft of storytelling.  Couldn't
get a speaking part in the European drama any other way.
From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:35:15 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

>In article <katherim.726781311@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>>It is quite
>>possible that the law only applied to women and civilian men.
>>


>"Only"???

>That seems to cover most people to me!
>So therefore the "myth" is probably correct?

  Katherine got it backwards -- the law didn't apply to women or military
men -- it *only* applied to civilian men!
  Someone please enter a copy of the Act!

mn
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:8531 soc.culture.british:18196 sci.archaeology:3109 soc.history:10530
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,sci.archaeology,soc.history
Subject: Re: Britain/Ireland 400-1100 AD+
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:06:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1993Jan4.160647.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <28193@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
> I'm going to be taking a class in about a month on the archaeology
> of the period 400-1100 AD in Britain & Ireland.  I'm interested in
> doing some reading about this period beforehand, preferably not
> narrowly archaeological in nature (save that for the class).
> I'd prefer good references to books on its political & cultural / art
> history, & anything else that mite help my understanding of the
> period. I'm fairly well acquainted with material on Ireland, somewhat
> on the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, & pretty much clueless about Scotland
> & the other Celtic kingdoms of Britain, during that period.
> 
> Thanks,
> ==mwh

There is a whole series of books about Ireland. First one is 'Ireland before
the Vikings" I will need to find the info on the books.. I never can find
anything when I need it.. 



Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: jmm@scarabz.Corp.Sun.COM (John Morrison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Any news on the Shetland Oil spill??
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:12:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jmm@scarabz.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: scarabz.corp.sun.com


     I read an article in the San Jose Mercury News stating that a single-hull
Liberian tanker had run aground on or around the Shetland Islands and that
the potential spill is twice that of the Valdez fiasco.  Sources quoted said
that due to severe weather, they cannot get to the ship to staunch the flow of
oil and that they feared the ship would totally come apart during the night.


ANY NEWS???

John Morrison

PS:  Oil covered seals have been sighted
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:32:47 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <katherim.726525648@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>
That wearing tartan etc wasn't prohibited:

And Katherine writes that it was:

>
>I have other information on this.  Perhaps, this is just a perpetration
>of a myth, as you say, but here it is anyway.  
> 
>Quotations are from the Disarming Act of 1746
>
>-------------
>It is an offence to "within that part of Great Britain called Scotland...
>on any pretext whatsoever, [to] wear or put on the clothes commonly 
>called highland clothes [ie] the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse,
>Shoulder-belts, or any part whatsoever of what peculiarly belongs to the 
>Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid or stuff shall 
>used for Great Coats or upper coats".  
>
>The punishment for those found guilty, on the evidence of even one
>witness was six months in jail for the first offence and "transportation"
>for seven years for the second.  


I have no historical info to add to this, though I hope you two can
resolve this for us.

However, I am still enjoying "Humphrey Clinker" by *Tobias* Smollet,
not Samuel as I posted last week, and he has something to say on the
subject.

Reaching as far north as Inveraray in their travels, his protaganists
note that the local highlanders are no longer allowed to wear their beloved 
Philabegs or tartan and that this has depressed them greatly.

However, later in the same chapter, they stay with the Duke of Argyll,
and mention that he has a piper who wears the kilt.

Whether this is a contradiction in terms or not, I don't know! I
suppoise it depends on who was or wasn't allowed to wear it.

If I remember, I may bring the book in and type in the relevant bits.

It was written in 1771 or thereabouts.

M

-- 
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: sherry@eskimo.com (Sherry Brown)
Subject: Re: Irish Books/U.S. Bookshops
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:14:04 GMT

I think it depends on what part of the country you are in.  As a native
Bostonian recently moved to Seattle, I discovered a similar situation. 
It is particularly distressing to note that I have not found one book
_in_ Irish  -- over the holidays I had to stock up on things that cannot
be found in Washington State.  Given that Texas is not (to my knowledge)
a bastion of Irish-Americans (compared to a place like Boston), I'd
suggest you take up a correspondence with someone who can send you what
you crave!  
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From: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: FREE STOCKS NEWSLETTER!
Reply-To: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:52:43 GMT

--



      My name is Martin Cunniffe and I come from Galway, Ireland. I work for
Digital here in Galway. I have just become aware of this newsgroup and I 
think it's great.

 I am a Liverpool football fan myself and I believe that John Aldridge is 
the best footballer that there has ever been or is ever likely to be.


     Martin Cunniffe,
     Mahanagh,
     Lavally,
     Tuam,
     Co. Galway,
     Ireland.


       Martin Cunniffe, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com

    "In the Race for Quality, there is no finish line".	
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