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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Circles of Influence (was Re: In Suzanne's Defense)
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:15:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.121730.19860@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.030332.8476@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>
>}If my social reasons are directly starving certain people (like me buying
>}a better car at the expense of not getting my son or daughter some food)
>}then my social reasons are definitely not going to take precedence over
>}the life of my son or daughter.

>One of the things that you eventually confront when setting yourself up
>as your brother's keeper is deciding exactly who qualifies as your 
>brother.  

The answer to that one is simple. Repeat after me. I believe that someone
is my brother and I am there keeper as long as being a keeper does NOT
inconvenience me in any manner. 


:-)


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Using the Bible with non-Christians?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:31:14 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

>In <adams.718553484@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>I think we should keep our morals to ourselves and to those who willingly
>>come to follow Christ.  No Christian should impose his moral values on
>>anyone else, and above all should be tolerant of others.  If we want this
>>kind of treatment, we must first give it.


See, I think all Christians should think about this:  especially Suzanne.

If you all force other people by government fiat to be 'good' and 'righteous',
and you are right about the state of the afterlife, then we are all going to
be forced to go to your heaven, because we haven't had the opportunity to
do anything 'sinful'.  Can you imagine spending eternity with the group from
talk.abortion?!?!?!

I think any *practical* Christian would only really want to group together
with birds who think like themselves.  We are talking forever here, guys, not
just a half hour of an afternoon.

(-:

Adrienne Regard

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: supporting allegations
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:53:49 GMT

In article <jdzzq=m@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes to
>suzanne_lucia:
>->It is ENTIRELY within the realm of possibility that CJ retracted it,
>->and you merely did not see it. Proving the nonexistence of an
>->object with an essentially infinite possible location space is
>->very close to impossible. CJ's potential retraction is such an object.
>
>  "So... The way I see it, both you AND CJ have made
>  substantive allegations which are unsubstantiated. I
>  think you should substantiate that you did not write
>  such a mailing and that she should substantiate that
>  you did."
> 	<1992Oct8.223947.28573@news.yale.edu>
>
>what a difference a few days make. or, perhaps, it's
>something else.
CJ didn't substantiate it. I have said so at least once. CJ has
presented her evidence(such as it is) and it doesn't do the job
of showing that you made a mailing that asked for help. Do you
have a problem with this, Mr. Keegan?

What it does show, however, is that it was reasonable for her
to BELIEVE that you had made such a mailing, seeing as you had
admitted it, which means that your claim that she was LYING
is ludicrous.
-Ekr




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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:08:09 -0400 
From: Nathan P Manes <nm17+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Violence From Pro-Lifers (formerly: Walking down...)
	<1992Oct12.101843.15262@wam.umd.edu>




>#A clip of a videotape of
>#the event was shown: as she was being escorted through the blockade by
>#a policeman, a pro-lifer ran towards her at full speed and slammed
>#into her, tackling her and knocking her forcefully to the ground!
>
>I think that the O.R. thugs, like most bullies, are simply
>cowards.  They know that it is unlikely that a patient will
>press charges against them for assault.  (A woman who pressed
>charges would run the risk of endless harassment.)  For example,
>a man named Hugh Amick punched an escort in the face here in
>Pittsburgh.  There were about eight of us in the group, and
>Amick hit the smallest person. [...]  Amick was found guilty of simple
>assault.  The most recent arrest of an anti-abortion 
>protester for assault here involved a priest who threw
>himself at a group of escorts and two women entering
>the clinic.  While he was on the ground (he dropped there)
>waiting to be carried to the wagon, he grabbed the ankle
>of a woman entering the clinic and tried to pull her down.

	True, there are pro lifers who become violent, But as some one who
supports the pro life cause, I hope that I will be judged by the words I
write and the actions I take.  All of the pro lifers I know would be
just as angry as you are upon hearing of a violent pro life
demopnstrator.

	You must admit that there are violent people on both sides of the
issues, and they are not and should not be accurate discriptions of the
common protestor, pro choice or pro life.

	In my personal expireance, I have seen the tenderness both pro lifers
and pro choicers express.  One of my closest female friends back home
was pro choice, and although we both enjoied arguing for hours about the
merits of both sides of the issues, we always ended supprised at how
closely matched our opinions really were.  Needless to say, she was
certainly nonviolent.

	As for pro lifers, most of the ones I knew worked with me at a kiser
hospotal located in walnut creek, ca.  Accross the street the Contra
Costa county free clinic opperated seven days a week.  There, a female
of any age could get an abortion without leaving any information about
how old the fetus was or who she was.  $35 and $28 dollars for the shot
would get her an abortion if she got in line early enough.  Every night
after work, I worked in the hospace section of kiser, 3 doctors and
around 15 nurses, candy-stripers, etc, would go accross the street.

	There Rabbi Nulman, or something like that, would hand us about 200
candles (500 on sundays, but I never went on sundays).  We would all sit
there and light them.  Origionally, each candle represented one
abortion, but now there are too many abortions to keep up.

	Although there were many protests made by pro lifers, I never saw any
violence.  This battle is being fought by noble warriors on both sides,
and no law will ever truly end this fight.  Both sides really are doing
what they feel is moraly correct, and both sides hate the violence.
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Biblical Authority for Law
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:53:31 GMT
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Distribution: na
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Oct7.181733.15406@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> 
decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:

>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:

>>> And Jesus said:

>> And here's yet another data point to support the observation
>> that the pro-aborts are usually the first ones to raise the
>> issue of religion.

> [...]  this in response to the latest
> wave of biblical exegesis from the pro-life forces.

The only "wave of biblical exegesis" which I've seen recently
is coming from a single person -- "The Rink" -- who is responding
to Steve Adam's claims that the bible supports abortion.  So once
again, it is the pro-aborts who are the first to raise the issue
of religion. 

 
>Dean Kaflowitz


Doug Holtsinger
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Brain Waves
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:10:28 GMT

In <1992Oct12.141850.21533@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:

>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

>> There have been discussions about the possiblility that a fetus does show
>> brainwave activity.  This would make a fetus a living child, and thus make
>> abortion the killing of that child.

>There have been discussions about the possiblility that an aardvark does show
>brainwave activity.  This would make a aardvark a living child, and thus make
>abortion the killing of that aardvark.

Typical Lymanesque crap, ignoring the fact that the aardvark has no
potential to grow into a human adult.

>But seriously, Simon, there is no evidence that this brainwave activity can be
>likened to anything more than the white noise you hear when you tune your radio
>between stations.

And there is no evidence that it is NOT accompanied by "someone home", and
aware of the "white noise."

Peter Ny.
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Ovulation is avoidable! Steve says so!
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:55:24 GMT

sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:

>        If babies just popped into womens' bodies from out of nowhere, I'd
> support the pro-choice position too.  But they don't.  They're in the womb
> because of voluntary and avoidable behavior by the woman.
 
Amen and preach it, Steve!  Women need to know that there are consequences
for their actions!

Let's have a law against ovulation!!!

-- 
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BULLWINKLE: "What else?  An executive..." -- Jay Ward
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.activism,talk.politics.guns,alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: Scary things that Crawl OUT of the Net...
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:13:12 GMT

<In article <1992Oct14.000759.14696@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
<   ] 
<   ] >I would like to remind everyone that the NRA takes no opinion on the 
<   ] >issue of abortion and confines its efforts to the second amendment.
<   ] 
<   ] Ah - but does the NRA support the unborn's right to own firearms,
<   ] THAT is the true question.
<   ] 
<   ] chus
<   ] peterd


<   Waddelling Toady of Revisionism!

	I've pointed out the correct spelling for that
	first word before, AD.....

<   You Know as well as I do that the SkumOfTheEarthWimpLiberals
<   wish to Limit the Constitution of the United States SOLELY
<   to those persons Born or Naturalized!!!!!

	You're babbling, Drieux. Persons in the US who
	are legal residents but not citizens are protected
	just as much (or as little) as citizens.

	And foreigners who are legal residents may own firearms.

Followup set appropriately.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade (was Re: That Responsibility Thing, Take 2
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:14:12 GMT

In article <lefty-131092103350@lefty.apple.com> 
lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:

>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes: 

>>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:

>>>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>>>> I recently posted an article about an abortion doctor who was convicted
>>>> of federal income tax evasion. This doctor allegedly over-billed 
>>>> insurance companies, over-estimated the gestational ages of fetuses 
>>>> so he could charge patients more money, and asked sedated patients 
>>>>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> to get up off the operating table to pay more money. 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>> I've been laughing at this line ever since DOD first posted it.  What
>>> was he expecting?  That the "sedated" women would just run over to their
>>> purses and pull out wads of cash?  That a sedated person is actually
>>> coherent enough to write a check?  Maybe DOD thinks these women just
>>> gave the doctor their credit cards, along with a signed note saying that
>>> he was authorized to use them?

>> A person who laughs when women are placed in such horrible circumstances
>> might be accused of being a misogynist.  

> Mr. Cochran is not laughing at women "placed in...horrible circumstances,"
> you nitwit.
>
> He's laughing at _you_.

Cochran quite clearly states that he had been "laughing at this line...",
not that he had been "laughing at me...".  That line wasn't funny or
dumb, and only a very sick person would laugh when women are placed
in such horrible circumstances.  


>Lefty (lefty@apple.com)


Doug Holtsinger

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: So let's all do the DarcyShuffle!
Summary: If I had space for archives, I'd be rich... 
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:33:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.044732.12964@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>What the hell are you talking about? MY version of abortion legislation?!?!
>I've never voiced support for *ANY* abortion-related legislation except the 
>FOCA -- I've certainly never voiced support for _restrictive_ abortion
>legislation, so be careful with your potshots. 

Hmmm....

>
>You are parodying my supposed position, without even bothering to hear what
>it is first, Cathi. Here it is again: I DO *NOT* SUPPORT ANY RESTRICTIVE
>ABORTION LEGISLATION!!! Is that starting to sink in yet?

Hmmm...

>
>Second, for hopefully the last time: I DO *NOT* SUPPORT ANY RESTRICTIVE
>ABORTION LEGISLATION!!!! So please stop stating or implying that this is
>my view. You are dead wrong.

Is this the same Kevin Darcy who once wrote something about "...in this
circumstance, I feel it would be justifiable to force the woman to
continue the pregnancy" (Not an exact quote.  Anybody this one archived?)

Hmmm...
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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: In which stephen outlines the inherent baby-killing attitude of pro-choice
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:08:58 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.abortion, dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>Wonderful logic you got there.

he he heeeheee HHEEEE HEEEE HAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
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			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: Biblical Authority for Law
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:17:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.160837.9971@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.131833.20451@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
> 
> > And Jesus said:
> 
> And here's yet another data point to support the observation
> that the pro-aborts are usually the first ones to raise the
> issue of religion.

Lest anyone be taken in by this outright lie of Mr Holtsingers',
please note that Galen had produced a satiric posting to
demonstrate that there is nothing in the whole of the New Testament
to indicate that Jesus wanted anyone to pass civil laws
restricting abortion, and this in response to the latest
wave of biblical exegesis from the pro-life forces.

Dean Kaflowitz
From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Living abortees (was Re: I had an abortion two days ago)
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:22:04 GMT
Organization: Attack of the Quayle Potatoes

c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>Unfortunately, abortion is not entirely efficient.  Some of those 
>aborted are alive today.

I hope you have documentation for this claim, else your credibility (at least
with me) is going to suffer tremendously.  Note than "I heard it on the net"
isn't going to cut it, as far as I'm concerned.

--
--Andrew Hackard                                 If I spoke for UT, this post
  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.015308.25586@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun) writes ...
>>What is Clinton going to do differently?
>
>One of the most amusing aspects of this campaign is the technique used
>by the Bush apologists of criticizing Clinton by showing how he's like
>Bush.  Cracks me up.

Since the best argument offered FOR Clinton is that he's "not Bush",
showing that Clinton is like Bush, or is even worse than Bush on
Bush's bad points, is a cogent argument.

The election isn't between Bush and someone better, it is between Bush
and Clinton, who may, or may not, be better.  (Of course, there is the
rich dwarf and the ignored candidates, but they don't stand a chance
in the House and won't win outright.  Clinton can win outright or in
the House and Bush can win outright.)

-andy
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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:54:44 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Oct13.004408.13860@ncsu.edu>, dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
> 
> Then you must also agree that an infant sucking on a woman's breast
> is also a "parasite", since the infant is living off the woman, 
> damaging her body, and giving her nothing if she does not want
> the infant.  

Why not skip beating around the bush and just say that parasites are
people too?   Or do you remove woodticks with painful heat like I do?

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: Constitutional Questions, and liberalisms....
Followup-To: talk.abortion,talk.politics.guns,alt.conspiracy,misc.test,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:39:10 GMT

In article <BvtHx4.KvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <1b1mngINNdh1@overload.lbl.gov>, inspecti@ux7.lbl.gov () writes:
>>
>>I want both of you to scroll back to the header of this message.  Look 
>[...]
>>
>>In this "Newsgroups:" line is a phrase.  This phrase is "talk.bizarre."
>
>	And, if YOU would look, there are lots of groups that are NOT
>talk.bizarre.  In fact, only one out of the many groups this is sent to is
>talk.bizarre.  If the poor writing stayed there and only there, there would be
>no problem.
>
>
>>In summation, one should never declare someone's words "meaningless" simply
>>because one is ignorant of the mode of speaking which the speaker uses.  This
>>kind of devaluation of language is evidential of a small, inflexible
>>intellect.  Please try not to make this mistake again.
>
>	If you understand it so well, perhaps you would like to translate what
>he keeps writing?  Not only on talk.bizarre, but on all of the groups to which
>he posts.
>
>	I agree that "devaluation of language is evidential of a small,
>inflexible intellect".  If everyone used only their own words, that they made
>up, and ignored anything resembling a sentence structure, there would be no
>communication.  Nobody would be able to understand anyone else, and language
>would be valueless.
>
>	I believe that the way "drieux" treats language devalues it, because no
>meaning is conveyed.
>
>Ray Swartz



Hey Ray,  Are you really a Dumb Guy[tm]?  Or do you just play one on the net?


TTFN
M
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: I had an abortion two days ago
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:04:39 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center

In article <nyikos.719096777@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
}
}                                            No penis penetrates
}as deeply nor as savagely into the woman as a suction curette
}or any of the other D& whatever devices.

This guy ought to pair up with Simon.  What with his gift for turning
a phrase and Booth's flair for plot development...

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