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From: amy@lloyd.Camex.COM (Amy Lindsay)
Subject: Re: HangAr, durnit, HANGAR!!
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:02:40 EST

Hey, Bill!

I know it's really difficult, but when you see it, take just a deep breath
and hit the old "n" key.  There, is that better?

Besides, once you bring up hanger/hanger ALL sorts of REALLY old jokes will
be trotted out from the dusty shelves on which rec.aviators were hiding
them...  After hanger/hanger, they'll go to yoke/yolk.  Finally, they'll
start on helicopters...  and then the WHOLE thing will start all over
again.

That being said...

My problem is with people "loosing" altitude.  I've dealt with it
rec.aviation-wise by figuring that people are probably thinking faster than
they're typing.

However, there's (at least) one columnist in Atlantic Flyer who always uses
"loose" instead of "lose."  At first I was just surprized that their editor
didn't catch it.  But, every time I see something by this guy, it's ALWAYS
there.  I can't even read him any more because I find myself looking for
"loose" in the wrong context...

Since I deal with the print media so much, it's like fingernails on a
chalkboard to me.
					--amy
					(I feel much better now...)

A.G.Lindsay, PP-ASEL   *   Cloud Rental: Reasonable Rates   *   amy@camex.com 
Typography & Design Department ~ Camex, Inc. ~ Boston, MA (617-426-7550 x575)
"Boundary lights... Airport lights visible from distances as great as five,
		       and sometimes even six feet."
From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: rec.aviation--traffic decrease
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:38:58 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com
Keywords: traffic

I don't know, looks about the same to me.  Glider traffic is the same.
Homebuilts, military, and simulator traffic that was essentially non-existant
before is higher.  Other than that, we haven't had any controversial issues
to really churn the hanger flying sections...

-Ron
From: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (HOWARD PETRI)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Taildragger Tail Low Takeoffs
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:39:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bxy2L9.Cor
Reply-To: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: INDIANA U. CYCLOTRON FACILITY, BLOOMINGTON, IN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4


     I watched First Flights with Neal Armstrong this evening and
noticed something peculiar. Steve Hinton flew a P47 Thunderbolt and
another pilot demonstrated a P51 Mustang. They were both flying
from the Planes of Fame Museum at Chino, CA. Now what I found strange
was that they both choose to take off without raising the tails of their
aircraft during the run--they just flew them off the ground tail down.
I was taught to do this in a taildragger if making a short field takeoff
but otherwise always raise my tail as soon as possible to be able to see
where I am going. Any ideas why they did this? 

Howard Petri
Pegasus (EJ) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: furtaw@comm.mot.com (Bob Furtaw)
Subject: Re: logging solo and ground t
Organization: Motorola
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:53:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation.misc

In article <398.180.uupcb@ssr.com>, dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick
Zeitlin)  wrote:
> JW> .After receiving your PPL (private), is there any advantage in logging solo
>   > .time (cross country or not), or in logging ground time with an instructor?
> 
> Not really.  You're only required to log time that will be used for
> currency or other ratings.  OTOH, there's no reason not to...
> 
> JW> .Since attending FAA safety seminars (+ 3 hours in the air) is good for
>   > .a Biennial, can you log the time spent at a seminar as ground time?
> 
> If the seminar is given by an instructor that's willing to sign it off
> as ground instruction time, you can log it.  61.51(c)(5)  But, why?

If continuing for a commercial...61.125 says, "...must have logged ground
instruction from an authorized instructor, or...".

BTW  61.189 says "...flight instructor SHALL sign the logbook of each
person...FLIGHT or GROUND instruction...".  This means NO DECISION, it must
be done!  This is often overlooked by many instructors.  A student is often
asked "Do you want me to sign your logbook?", without realizing he must. 
Sometimes the question is asked out of courtesy but most times, from
ingorance. There is an "out", however...the reg does NOT say WHEN the
logbook shall be signed...Immediately following a lesson, before a
recommendation, before the 3 year record (CFI) expiration date, or
whatever??                                                                 
                            

Bob Furtaw - W8IL
CFI-A/G/I/MEI, CGI-A/I
All disclaimers ever written by anybody apply. :-)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.photo
From: johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
Subject: Re: Air sickness question
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:11:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.200951.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>[...]
>I've sort of got the bug, I would like to do this again sometime.  Since I
>will be looking down the next time I do this, I want to keep from getting
>sick.  Will seasick pills (dramamine (sp??) ) help?  Does anyone have any
>other suggestions? 

These are the same problems that sailors have on the open sea.
Going below (ie into the boat) cuts off your view of the stable
horizon. Your body gets confused when it feels movement but the
inside of the boat doesn't appear to be moving.

I've delt with many a sick passenger and I've been sick myself.
Not pleasant. I've found that Scoplamine is virtually foolproof
for seasickness, but it may be overkill for an hour in an airplane.
You need a perscription in the US, and it'll set you back about
$14 for 4 transdermal patches. You MUST put it on at least 4 hours
before the motion will begin. Failure to do so makes it virtually
worthless.

The other posters' suggestions about looking at the horizon as often
as possible is your best bet. If you start to yawn or feel sleepy,
you are in the first stages of motion sickness and you should gaze
at the horizon for a while.


			-John Kalucki
			johnk@gordian.com

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: aerial snooping, revisited
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: lawyer bashing
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.205828.26653@news.nd.edu>, ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov23.194806.17249@selway.umt.edu> cap@selway.umt.edu (Charles A. Smith) writes:
|> >
|> >What nonsense!  Another brain-dead lawyer, with a frivolous argument, wasting
|> >taxpayer money.  Oh, well.
|> 
|> Go back to Nazi Germany.  It is about time people started fighting the 
|> abuse of the 4th ammendment in the name of the war on drugs.  I guess you
|> think it is perferctly alright for police to burst into people's houses
|> in the hope of finding some drugs so that they can confiscate the property
|> without any trial, and shoot the homeowner dead, so they can keep a third
|> of the property.  As a foreigner I thought that the US Bill of Rights was
|> wonderful document until I realised it was there to broken, and the purpose
|> of the supreme court was to put a fascist spin so that they could justify
|> the most flagrent abuses of that document.  I suppose you think that mandatory
|> life imprisonment for life (i.e. no parole) for possession of cocaine is
|> not cruel and unusual punishment when the average murderer serves about
|> 8 years!!!  

Before going overboard, more facts should be known about the case.

For example, was the aerial surveillance put into place because of evidence
which raised enough suspicions which required the use of aircraft, or was it 
put into effect for the sole purpose of peeking over security zones in hopes 
of finding something without any reason or justifiable suspicion?

One can argue that both are verboten, but there are clear differences
as well.

I don't think it's reasonable to compare forced entry and state sanctioned
executions based on hunches to legal evidence obtained by aerial means.
At least not until ALL the facts are known.  Fight violations and protect
our guaranteed rights.  But no need to go ballistic.

Meanwhile, this is hardly the place for this re-recurring thread.

-- 
// Robert J. Granvin                                         rjg@stat.umn.edu
// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota        System Administrator
// ``One of the `right' people.''
From: rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: HangAr, durnit, HANGAR!!
Keywords: Stearman
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:52:31 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <1992Nov18.210910.13424@umbc3.umbc.edu> robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD)) writes:
>I really never thought of myself as one of those nit-picking sorts, but
>I have a personal nit to pick...

EVERYBODY NOSE THAT REALLY SMART PEOPLE CAN'T SPELL VARY GOOD!
ESPECIALLY SCIENTISTS, ENGINEERS AND MATHEMATICIANS.
CORRECT SPELLING WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE MUST BY LEARNED BUY
ROTE MEMORIZATION RATHER THAN BUY LOGIC OR CONSISTENT PAT URN.
AS LONG AS THE WORDS ARE IN THERE COMPUTERS SPELL CHECKER
PROGRAM, IT IS O-KEE DO-KEE.

TO WIT, HOW MANY HANGERS CAN YOU HANG IN A HANGAR, IF THE
HANGAR WITH THE HANGERS IS ITSELF HUNG ON A HANGER?
          

 Warning: O-KEE not in dictionary
 Warning: DO-KEE not in dictionary

 2 Errors found:
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: aboyd@quantum.on.ca (Andrew Boyd)
Subject: Re: Taildragger Tail Low Takeoffs
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:45:09 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems

In article <1992Nov19.215405.20176@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> 
pilla@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (michael.a.pilla) writes:
>
>	soft	tail held slightly up to reduce drag of usually smaller
>		tail-wheel, then "feel" for rotation at minimum
>		speed as in short field technique above, ...

just to clarify ... the reason you are keeping the tail lower
than normal in a soft field takeoff is to generate more lift
so that you can get airborne as soon as possible, to reduce the
drag caused by the soft field on the tires.

In ground effect, with the tail low, you will get airborne at a
slower-than safe airspeed - you actually stall the a/c off the
ground.  Especially if the a/c is marginally powered, as soon
as you are airborne from a soft-field takeoff, you should use
forward stick to ensure that you stay close to the ground,
and accelerate in ground effect to your Vx, which is a safe
speed to climb out of ground effect.

Of course, if you have sufficient power (C/S prop helps too)
you will accelerate so quickly to (and probably past, if you
are not careful) your Vx that this is not an issue.
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From: pilla@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (michael.a.pilla)
Subject: Re: Air sickness question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.041129.21083@gordian.com> johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki) writes:
>These are the same problems that sailors have on the open sea.
>Going below (ie into the boat) cuts off your view of the stable
>horizon. Your body gets confused when it feels movement but the
>inside of the boat doesn't appear to be moving.
>
>The other posters' suggestions about looking at the horizon as often
>as possible is your best bet. If you start to yawn or feel sleepy,
>you are in the first stages of motion sickness and you should gaze
>at the horizon for a while.

I'll repeat a posting someone made several years ago about a
natural air-sickness remedy; i.e., ingesting 940mg capsules of
Ginger Root about 20 to 30 minutes prior to the motion.  These
940mg capsules of Ginger Root are generally available at Health Food
stores.

I tried these for my daughter and they worked great; no side effects
(drowsiness) that we could detect.  I wish I could remember who the
original poster was, but I sure am grateful.

Incidentally, the "looking at the horizon" can be modified to
looking at any *fixed* horizontal surface.  Recently, my mother
developed severe vertigo when getting up from a bed or chair and
panicked, shutting her eyes, ...  I used the old CFI-II trick of
having her focus on a fixed horizontal reference (bureaus, ...)
and she was able to control it both the anxiety as well as the
severe vertigo.  She has to take Antivert fairly regularly, now,
but the focusing on a fixed horizontal surface solved the "panic".

Mike Pilla

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again))
Subject: Re: More Heard on the Air
Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:04:31 GMT

	This always seems to happen.  I forgot to include the last line
of the conversation.

Center:	It wouldn't have been so bad if you'd actually hit some of the notes.


Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
================================================================================
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Fantasy: Wave soaring over Olympus Mons on Mars
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From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: rec.aviation--traffic decrease
Keywords: traffic
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:55:44 GMT

G'day,

Has anyone other than me noticed the apparent decrease
in traffic on rec.aviation.xxxxx since the split?

Anyone keeping track?

Dave Rogers

From: mtc@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Cousins)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:23:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Exceed Vne or max G's first? (was Re: looping a non-acro aircraft)
Organization: HP General Systems Division
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc

In rec.aviation.misc, jfarrell@cloudbase (Jerry Farrell) writes:

>Apparently so.  I quote from the Flight Manual (POH) for the Schleicher
>ASK-21:
    
(nonpertinent material deleted)

>    True airspeed (TAS) is, however relevant for safety against flutter.
>    Therefore, one must take into account that with increasing altitude
>    the true airspeed is higher than the reading of the airspeed indicator
>    because of the increasing air density.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^

Shouldn't this read "decreasing"?

Mark
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again))
Subject: More Heard on the Air
Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:59:42 GMT

	I just heard a new one for the "Heard on the Air" file.  We had an FAA
controller talk to my flying club.  This guy works IFR (I believe he said
FL230-FL290) out of Aurora, IL.  He said that late at night, there is little
traffic, and there are nightly cargo flights that they regularly talk to, so
they know these guys by voice, and talk about non-aviation things in their
lives.
	Well, that said...here's a (rather approximate) transcript...the
controller brought a casette tape of his "Best of..." series.  Actually hearing
the tape made it that much funnier, as this guy was a REALLY bad singer.

Time frame: ~ Thanksgiving, 1991

NXXXXX (in a 'certainly-not-professional-singer' voice):
	Siiiiiiileeent Niiight
	Hoooooly Niiight
	Aaaall is caaaaaalm
	Aaaall is Briiiight
	'Round yon Viiiiirgin, Mooother aaand Chiiild
	Hooooly Iiinfaaant, so teeeender aand miiild
	Sleeeeeep in Heeaaavenly Peeeeeaaace
	Sleee-eep in Heeaaavenly Peeeeeaaace
	(on to verse two)
	Siiiiiiileeent Niiight
	Hoooooly Niii -- uh oh!
	(transmission stops)

(a few seconds of silence)

Center:	N12345?

(silence)

Center:	N12345?

(silence)

Center:	N12345?

N12345:	345.

Center:	(singsong voice) Guess whaaaat?

N12345:	Sorry 'bout that.
	(few seconds silence with the mic still active)
	I ... I was really hoping for a minute you'd think it was someone else.
	
Center:	You have the four of us rolling on the floor here.
	(laughter starts from the background)

N12345:	Well, I ... *sigh* (stops transmitting)

Center:	You've picked the right season for it.  That was a real turkey.
	(more laughter)

N12345:	I guess I can't ask you to keep this quiet?

Center:	What do you think?
	(lots of laughter)


	The controller mentioned that he was tempted to send the tape into one
of the local radio morning shows, but he decided not to when he realized that,
like most federal agencies, the FAA probably doesn't have a sense of humor, and
might not like him doing that.


Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
================================================================================
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Fantasy: Wave soaring over Olympus Mons on Mars
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From: rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:23:43 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <1992Nov14.090805.29913@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
>rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill) writes:
>|>I'm waiting for a craft that works on the Frisbee principle
>|>of flying.  You could conceivably build a flying machine that
>|>is frisbee shaped, with a rotating outer hull. 
           
>How would you keep it pointed in one direction?
>(Spinning outer hull=spinning inner hull  even for diff masses)
>I'm not saying it can't be done: just looking for ideas.

I don't have a clue.  
But the idea sounds interesting.
Imagine future aircraft makers: Boeing, Airbus, Toyota, Whamo, ...


-- 
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M/S 9R-49  PO BOX 3707                       Renton Avionics/Flight Systems
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: aboyd@quantum.on.ca (Andrew Boyd)
Subject: Re: Taildragger Tail Low Takeoffs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:13:22 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems

In article <Bxy2L9.Cor@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>Steve Hinton flew a P47 Thunderbolt and another pilot demonstrated a 
>P51 Mustang.  Now what I found strange was that they both choose to 
>take off without raising the tails of their aircraft during the run--
>they just flew them off the ground tail down.
>I was taught to do this in a taildragger if making a short field takeoff
>but otherwise always raise my tail as soon as possible to be able to see
>where I am going. Any ideas why they did this? 

One reason to keep the tail low might be to help keep directional
control with the tailwheel - there's a lot of torque there.

I noticed something odd while I was doing touch & goes on a P-51D
(six months ago) ... despite the 1490 horsepower, and the angle of
incidence on the wing (which causes you to fly around nose low
all the time) I found I had to rotate the P-51 to get it to take off.

In a level attitude, the P-51 would appear to just trundle down
the runway, faster & faster.  Weird, eh?

So, instead of raising & then lowering the tail (at least on
the P-51) just leaving it down probably gets you off the ground
faster (and perhaps a touch more elegantly :)
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From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: fuel leaking from gas capsSKIP
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:21:25 EST
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH

In article <1992Nov10.210125.23028@exu.ericsson.se>, exumfs@exu.ericsson.se (Mark Steph) writes:
> In article H7A@world.std.com, gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth) writes:
>>spenny@sw.stratus.com (Steve Pennypacker) writes:
>>>masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys) writes:
>>>> In retrospect, the tail-low posture had caused about 7-10 gallons of fuel
>>>> to leak slowly from the fuel caps over a couple of days.
>>>If it had been leaking out of the fuel caps over a period of a couple of
>>>days, I would think you'd have a nice blue stain running back [...]
>>
>>Some people have STCs to use auto-gas.  I wonder if auto-gas does not stain?
>>-- 
>>Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
>>gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555 work, (617) 547-5247 home   Standard Disclaimers
> 
> autogas is dyed red.  
> 

  80 OCTANE  is red.  Autogas is clear. David-- 

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From: rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:49:50 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <1992Nov14.214057.15519@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>rfh3273@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dick Harrigill) writes:
>>I'm waiting for a craft that works on the Frisbee principle
>>of flying.  You could conceivably build a flying machine that
>>is frisbee shaped, with a rotating outer hull. 

>DIDn't you see the one boeing has in building #A5! It is 
>pretty neat >>>>BANG<<<<

No, no, no - That must be the Air Force.
You can tell it's not Boeing, because A5 is too easy
of a descriptor for a Boeing Building.  Our buildings
have wonderful names like 40-245.

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From: schoen@slcs.slb.com (Eric Schoen)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Need a lift from Kerrville to Austin
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:57:36 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Schlumberger Laboratory for Computer Science
Originator: schoen@sigmet


Anyone interested in sharing expenses with me on a roundtrip from Austin to
Kerrville and back sometime during the weekend of December 5-6?  I need to
bring my plane to Dugosh Aviation in Kerrville for its annual, and am looking
for a more interesting way to get back than driving.  We'd both fly to
Kerrville, and I'd fly back with you.  I'll figure out how to retrieve the
plane later.

Reply via email if interested.

Thanks,
Eric

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