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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Earth Train
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 02:43:17 GMT

In article <19spomINNamm@uwm.edu> dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>I know, it's sort of like calling highschool computer password stealers
>"computer experts". But I think it's good to see a bunch of kids doing
>positive public relations for the environment on a train.

Since I consider the "environmental movement" to be essentially a totalitarian
one, I am afraid I can't share your enthusiasm.  That aside, environmentalists
are not the only ones out there holding up "young leaders" for their 
(non-existant) bravery and knowledge.  The result is cynicism among the intelligent
students.

>If calling them "leaders" gets one gang member to rethink his future as
>a productive member of society it's worth it. Would you rather they all
>sit on their asses and throw rocks at trains?

I think that what it teaches kids is that "leadership" is a hypocritical 
appelation granted by cynical manipulators to ignorant pawns.  Kids
are not fooled by this kind of nonsense any more than adults are.  They
just learn the implicit lesson...that such "leaders" are pompous pawns.

--Brian
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: So Where is Steamtown Anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:58:31 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Oct5.114837.27809@walter.cray.com> rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.120542.16096@husc3.harvard.edu> finney@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
@ Hi,
@     Drove near Scranton on (I think) Rte 81 on Friday -
@ saw a huge sign that indicated we were heading for 
@ Steamtown. We all watched carefully for further indicators,
@ but didn't see any. Can anyone enlighten me? (I remember
@ Vt.)

> It's located at the old Delaware Lackawanna & Western shops in 
>downtown Scranton. The shops must take up most of downtown and you
>can't miss it. At the old station is a 'Big-Boy' that is too heavy
>to move across the bridge into the site. The park is managed by the
>Park Service, and when I was there in March 1991, they wouldn't let 
>anyone into the yards. They claimed the visiting season opened only
>in summer. Across from the site are some other shop buildings that
>have something to do with the Department of Defence. Anybody have
>a guess at what goes on there? Oh yeah, it used to be in Vermont.

	I've seen some horrible stories about that place, about it
being very decrepit and a poor excuse of a museum, and even about many
of the locos being Canadian.

	I've even seen it called a blatant example of pork barrel,
done just some some Congresscritter could trumpet how he brought home
some bacon for some local voters.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: mef@cs.rit.edu (Mark E Fischer)
Subject: Maine Central Magazines for Sale
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:03:29 GMT

The Rochester Chapter, NRHS is pruning its library and we have about 100
issues of Maine Central magazines to dispose of.  About half are Maine
Central Railroad Magazines from 1948 to 1959.  The rest are Maine Central
Messenger Magazines from 1963 to 1966.

The best offer for these by Friday, October 9, 1992 get the lot.  Your
donation will go directly to the Libarary Fund of the chapter.
.
If you are interested, please email your offers to me.  If you have
questions, email them at mef@cs.rit.edu.
.
Thanks.
.
--Mark Fischer
mef@cs.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: garbage trains, money trains, and other novelties for out of towners.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:17:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct2.112716.10104@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
> On the surface, the most visible piece of work equipment for the TTC's
> streetcars is the rail grinding car, which is bright yellow. As the name
> suggests, it grinds the rails to eliminate corrugation in them.

Hmm -- that reminds me of something I heard, or at least think I heard,
long ago.  When one of NY's transit strikes was settled, it took several
hours before service could be resumed -- a rail-grinder had to come out
first to polish the rails, which were normally kept clean by the wheels
of passing trains.

Is this sort of thing common?  I've seen plenty of rusty sidings, and
for that matter shortline main tracks.  Is it peculiar to electrified
systems?
From: wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Diesel vs. Electric Locomotive Maintenance
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:36:15 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.17

In article <16053@mindlink.bc.ca> Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
>
>> Steven Bellovin writes:
>>
>> Speaking of which -- the October '92 Railpace mentions a campaign (in
>> Connecticut, I think) by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers against
>> an electrification project.  I assume that they're afraid of job loss,
>> but it isn't clear to me why electric locomotives should require fewer
>> engineers than diesels.  Explanations?
>
>
>Guessing, but I'd think it would be easier to automate an electric system
>compared to a system running diesels.

Just another guess, but I believe that there is a crew change at New Haven
when the locomotives are changed.  The use of electrics would probably
allow one crew to run thru from NY-Boston.

Given the way wages were paid in the past, I think it's a safe bet that
some jobs would be eliminated and wage costs reduced.  It's probably
a fight that the Brotherhoods would rather avoid by sinking the
electrification.  Not to pick sides, you understand.  Everybody's gonna
look after their own rice-bowl.

Disclaimer:  These opinions are my own and have	    |
    nothing to do with the official policy or the   |  -bill
    management of L.B.L, who probably couldn't      |   wlbrown@lbl.gov
    care less about employees who play with trains. |
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: Heavy Rains in Iowa?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:53:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.011602.10177@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN) writes, in part:

>in Article: 19221 of rec.railroad

>>In article 122200150@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM, rogerm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
>>(Roger Mitchell) writes:
>>>With today's diesel locomotives if the water is over the rail head they can't
>>>be operated.

>>So why is that?  What is it about the wheels being in water that prevents
>>the unit from operating?  I realize that if the traction motors get submerged
>>the loco obviously won't work, but wouldn't it be possible to operate if the
>>water were just "slightly" above the railheads?  Just how low are the traction
>>motors slung on the trucks, anyways?

> I recal reading in the BN rule book that it is okay to proceed through
>water over the rails with special approval. So, I think you are right.

	Sounds about right.  I seem to recall a figure of reduced speed up to
	2-4 inches above railhead. no go above that.  Varying somewhat with
	local RR  practice.  The best answer on traction motors is to take a
	peek.  The operative word is _axle_ _hung_, theyare at axle level.

	Since they can't extend the case outwards (bumps into the inside of
	the wheel...  8)>>) they make the case as large in "diameter" ('till
	they bump into ties, etc.   The traction motors are NOT sealed, tho
	they are resistant to casual spray.

	The slip control units i am familiar with use radar, and, i supect,
	would be OK with water.  (the traction is likely to be pretty bad, tho.)

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
146 Main St			|I am the NRA.
Maynard, Mass	
01754				pierson@majsty.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: BART 20th. Anniversary
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:54:16 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct5.073224.16054@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>:    He said it was one of the best investments every made by the people of  
>: the Bay Area [and now he want's them to make the WORST investment ever by  
>: building some maglev toy lines].

>	How is maglev supposed to be so HORRIBLE?

And then goes on to answer his own question:

>anytime soon. Maglev is just too _new_ for that. I think it will
>probably be for short branches like a people-mover from the Oakland
>Coliseum station and the Oakland airport. There is already a simple
>maglev system operating in Birmingham for just such a purpose.

Until cheap and reliable maglevs have been demonstrated (including
little things like switches) they will be uselessly expensive
novelties. What's the value, beyond the gee-whiz factor, of a maglev
people mover? What can it do that a rubber-tired vehicle can't do?
Whisk folks 1.2 miles at 300 mph? Maybe we need maglev escalators, too.

I suppose I should be thankful; at least most people have lost
their World-Of-Tomorrow fascination with monorails. One hopes that
maglevs will soon follow.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: NYC color-coding, again
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:13:58 GMT

In article <5247@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>	Garbage trains on the NY subways?  Tell us more!
>
>Imagine.  It's 105 in the shade, 98% humidity.  You enter the station . . .

Yeah!  This was just like being there!  Ya know how after you run your
hand through your sweat-drenched hair, it smells like iron?  And does
the garbage train really smell much worse than the station does
already-- I mean look at that dropped food on the platform and those
squashed black lumps I've never been able to identify.  Do you know some
systems actually close at night for cleaning?  Hah!

--Joe Brennan
From: jps@dworkin.wustl.edu (James Sterbenz)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NYC color-coding, again (was Re: Chicago Rapid Transit reference.)
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:19:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: olympus.29454
Organization: Washington University,  St Louis MO

In article <1992Sep30.172044.9268@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>I was actually thinking of posting all the letter and number codes
>that have been used on the New York subway...

Joe, along these lines can you give us the athoritative meanings of the 
shapes of the train designations (e.g. the letter/number is inside 
a circle diamond, etc.).  How long has this been used?


--
James Sterbenz  IBM HPCC       (High Performance Computing and Communications)
                472 Wheelers Farms Rd. MS93           jpgs@watson.vnet.ibm.com
                Milford CT 06460-1844 USA                      +1 203 783 4380
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

To give you some idea of the value of old railroad equipment, The Great Western
Railway of Loveland, Colorado gave $6,000 each for 2 X UP GP-9's (211, 296) and
$8,000 each for 6 X WP GP-7's. Old worn out equipment like that isn't worth very
much.

					Roger Mitchell
					Master Mechanic:Ft. Collins Municipal Ry
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: honda@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Semerak)
Subject: CARDS: Skybox Mini Sets for Sale
Originator: honda@csg.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: Computer Systems Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:03:47 GMT

Anyone catch the article on the Hostess skybox minis in the
latest Sports Collectors Digest?

Well, I have Several sets available on a first come, first served basis.

The sets are a 50 card mini set including Jordan, Johnson, etc...
Only was available in Canada..

Sets are $33US each, shipping included...

I only have seven sets......

Pete
Newsgroups: rec.collecting

1992 Fleer Jumbo Factory Sealed Box

For Sale - $96 plus $3 shipping - Box contains 24 packs including
Hot Rookie Sensations, maybe a Frank Thomas.

Rob Sparks
reply: rsparks@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Is there a STAMP collecting newsgroup? PLEASE??
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:17:40 GMT

In <6OCT199213470903@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD)) writes:


>Well, tell me about yourself. Maybe if others see this they might want 
>to join in and add to the stamp post :)

Well, I'll post what I've been sending those folks who have emailed me about 
the newgroup. :>

Basically, I've been told that the posters here are only interesting in 
trading, and not necessarily into the gathering of philatelic knowledge, which
is what *I* am after.  My topical interests are a bit strange, and I'm faitrly
complete in them (and currently can't afford to fill in the gaps, but there
is no rush...that's what's nice about the hobby! :>)
My postings will likely be of the nature of Who was the designer of this stamp, how many were printed?, Has anyone seen the original painting of this? Who is so and so?  etc... (and peculiar requests, such as "Does anyone who collects
agriculture stamps know of a stamp that shows a tractor-drawn dumpcart, or a 
log carrier mounted on endless treads, pulled behind a cat, or tractor?"
 
And, Nancy, since you are into architecture, do you know of a stamp that shows 
the cathead ornament in Norman architecture? Or one that shows a stone wall
that divides a house into two apartments?
 
I told you I was strange!  :>

See below for explanation... :>

 
My collecting interests include:

Domestic Cats - MAJOR INTEREST - I'm writing a book 
     (including Felis silvestris, but no other wild cats)

Stamps that have NO cats, but relate in some way to cats or cat words.
     (certain tractors, ships, clouds, plants, games...very odd punny topic
      that I call "Cat got your tongue" or "Feline Terminology in ****" 
      depending on my mood...;>)

The Coelacanth (major interest)
     (die proofs, color trials, signed artists, etc)

Comoro Islands prior to 1974  (my only country collection) 
     (including 19th Century stamps & stationery)

Whales and Dolphins (major interest)
     (Stamps only - NO whaling)

Dodo Birds (minor) 
     (and some other extinct birds, but they are minor)

Afghan Hounds (minor)
     (no other dogs)

Impossible Figures 
     (I only had 3 stamps - framed them and gave them to a friend as a
     gift, so I guess my collection is currently in absentia ;> )

A few dinosaurs, fossils, seashells and seahorses, Lippazaners, and other
scattered topics as they strike my fancy.

I've exhibited several of these topics, and have won Best Topical many times,
Grand Award twice (Regional shows), and gotten silver bronze Nationally on my 
cats but have not exhibited them for several years now :<

I am in the process of writing a book on Domestic Cats on Stamps, hence my
interest in the group - to hopefully fill in some info that I can't seem to
find (This is BTW a multi-volume project and has been more than 10 years in
researching...finally got an Amiga to get it all digitized and organized :>)

Crystal
  ;>


Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: cavers@menudo.uh.edu (Chris M. Cavers)
Subject: CARDS:90 ud bb
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:52:52 GMT

I have a few boxes of 1990 Upper Deck Baseball Low numbers.
$28 per box.

Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: dvc@eagle.hr.att.com (David Van Cleef)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Subject: CARDS: Trade Marvel Masterpieces Promos: Captain America for Wolverine
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:46:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com

I finally managed to find a couple of Captain America promo cards
(from Heroes World Magazine) locally.  I will trade one of them for
the Wolverine promo (from Up 'N Coming).
--
David A. Van Cleef			AT&T Bell Laboratories
internet: dvc@eagle.hr.att.com		Red Hill Facility, Middletown, NJ
					+1 908 615 4906
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: whg2@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.georger)
Subject: Original Star Trek Autographed Photo
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:44:38 GMT

I have a 5X7 black and white glossy of a 1967 photo showing
William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy in full dress with phasors
in hand. The photo has original, not copied signatures in blue ink.
I received it through the mail back in 1967 direct from the television
studio. I framed it over the years but have no idea what value it
would command. Any help would be appreciated.

William H. Georger (Rm 2C402)
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From: alang@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: CARDS: For sale--Sports/Non-Sports/Promos
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:39:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Sep30.183946.8103
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Here are a bunch of cards that I need to get rid of. Prices are not firm
because I don't have any kind of guide handy, so if something seems too
pricey make me an offer. I'm not sure what to ask for the promos, so 
make me a reasonable offer.
For orders under 5.00, add .50 for s&h.
E-mail me at alang@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
Tony Lang

Non-sports:
  Advanced D&D'92 Promo card
    #738 Forgotten Realms - Peryton                MINT      ????


Basketball:
  Mitch Richmond RC Hoops '89 #260                 MINT      3.50

  Gary Payton StarPics Rookie #21                  MINT      3.00

  Hoops'90 Lottery Picks
   #390 Derrick Coleman                            MINT      4.00
   #391 Gary Payton                                MINT      2.00
   #392 Chris Jackson                              MINT      2.00
   #393 Dennis Scott                               MINT      4.00
   #394 Kendall Gill                               MINT      3.00
   #395 Felton Spencer                             MINT      1.50
   #396 Lionel Simmons                             MINT      2.50
   #397 Bo Kimble                                  MINT      1.50
   #398 Willie Burton                              MINT      2.50
   #400 Tyrone Hill                                MINT      1.50

  Skybox'90 NBA Draft Picks
   #362 Derrick Coleman                            MINT      5.00
   #365 Gary Payton                                MINT      3.00
   #356 Kendall Gill                               MINT      4.00
   #364 Lionel Simmons                             MINT      3.50
   #359 Bo Kimble                                  MINT      2.50
   #360 Willie Burton                              MINT      3.50
   #358 Tyrone Hill                                MINT      2.50

Baseball:
  Ken Lofton - Arizona Collegiate Collection'90 #79, #121 (x2) MINT
   note: Ken played basketball in college               2.00 apiece

  Craig Biggio - RC Fleer'89 #353                  MINT      2.00
               - RC Donruss'89 #561                MINT      2.00
               - Upper Deck'90                     MINT      1.50

  Bo Jackson - Bowman'89 #378                      MINT      1.50

  Scott Erickson - Arizona Collegiate Collection'90 #80 MINT 2.00

  Post Collector Series'90
    #4 George Brett                         Make an offer for the set.
    #9 Ryne Sandberg
    #17 Wade Boggs
    #22 Pedro Guerrero
    #26 Robin Yount
    #27 Von Hayes 

Football:
  Dan Saleaumua Action Packed'91 Promo card #112   MINT      ????



Tony Lang
alang@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: cropley@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (andrew peter.cropley)
Subject: CARDS: Looking for trade 92 Fleer Ultra Series II Baseball
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:58:21 GMT

Looking to finish a series 2 set. I have many series 2 doubles to 
offer for trade plus rookie and allstar inserts as trade bait.
Also have plenty of Topps gold WINNERs as trade material.

  Here's what I need.

    Thanks
        andy              andy@somerset.att.com

82 Fleer

302,317,326,331,332,339,345,347,348,355,358,364,368,374,376,383,385,390,394

411,413,414,418,420,445,448,456,467,468,477,480,498

505,510,511,513,515,520,521,526,533,535,541,546,556,559,571,572,573,581,585
586,587,599
From: ken.sprinkles%theweb@meaddata.com (Ken Sprinkles) 
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: PRICE INFO
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: ken.sprinkles%theweb@meaddata.com (Ken Sprinkles) 

Can someone tell me the price of a Nolan Ryan 1983 Topps card and for
a complete set of 1979 set of Topps Alien movie cards from the first
movie? All help is greatly appreciated.
From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Subject: CARDS: Comic Ball 2 holograms
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Organization: Science Applications Intl Corp - Dayton, Ohio
Summary: 
Keywords: 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 21:02:41 GMT

	I have most of the Comic Ball 2 holograms for either sale or trade.
What I need is the Comic Ball 3 holograms.  I also need one more Comic Ball
4 hologram.  Reply if interested in trading or buying.


Earle
ake@dayton.saic.com
From: tgrimes@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Grimes)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: CARDS: Last Chance - Basketball Ten Cent Sale
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:12:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncratl.9430
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA


THIS IS MY LAST LISTING OF THESE CARDS, IF YOU WANT ANY THAT IS LEFT
LET ME KNOW.

Since the first tencent sale has went so well. I am going to try this
with Basketball cards. The rules are simple. Ten cents a card and the 
buyer pays shipping. First come, First served until supplies run out.
If you don't see your favorite player, ask.

Charles Barkley		S/O
Larry Bird		S/O
Brad Daugherty  	2	90	skybox
			3       89      hoops
                        4	90	hoops
			7	90	fleer
			2	91	fleer
Clyde Drexler           1	91	fleer
Patrick Ewing	        4	91	fleer
Kevin Johnson		1	90	skybox
			8	90	hoops
		       11	90	fleer
			4	91	fleer
Magic Johnson	        S/O
Reggie Lewis		6	90	hoops
			5	90	fleer
			3	91	fleer
Karl Malone		6	90	hoops
			8	90	fleer
			3	91	  "
Danny Manning		8	90	fleer
			2	91	fleer
			6	90	hoops
			3	90	skybox
Reggie Miller		6	90	hoops
			3       90      skybox
                        7	90	fleer
			4	91	fleer
Chris Mullin		S/O
Hakeem Olajuwon		8	90	fleer
			2	91	  "
			5	90	hoops
			1	91	  "
Chuck Person		9	90	fleer
			4	90	hoops
			2	90	skybox
Scottie Pippen		S/O
Dennis Rodman		S/O
John Stockton		3	90	fleer
			3	91	  "
			7	90	hoops
			1	91	  "
Isiah Thomas		6	90	skybox
		        1       89      hoops
                       10	90	hoops
			5	90	fleer
			3	91	fleer
Dominique Wilkins	1	90	hoops
			2	90	skybox
			6	90 	fleer
			3	91	  "
James Worthy		6	90	fleer
			1	91	  "
			8	90	hoops
			3	90	skybox