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From: jbw@ponder.csci.unt.edu (WEST JASON BRUCE)
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:53:56 GMT

In article <mnielsen.04zo@tbag.tscs.com> mnielsen@tbag.tscs.com (Marco Nielsen) writes:
>On Thu  7-Jan-1993  1:56 , L Lundman wrote:
>
>LL> Actually, how do I run the Spaceballs demo? When I boot it I get a
>LL> vector gfx hand for a second or so then it guru's. I have a vanilla 500
>LL> with 1 meg.
>
>Yeah, I had no success with Spaceball's "State of the Art" demo either. Tried KS 1.3/PAL/NOFAST etc.. But Skid Row released a "BUG FIXED" version of it the other day, and it now runs perfectly on any 68000 Amiga! Very nicely done vector dancing girls.. Nice idea.. 

    I belive I have this version - I can;t get it to work on my A3000 2.1!
From 2.1 with degradsion it hangs/crashes right away - when I soft boot from
1.3 I get a THIS DEMO NEEDS 2.04 MESSAGE!!  What the hell?  Am I just
screwed once again?


Thanks a mil, in advance.  I think you can chalk this up as a non-3000 demo.
Ciao...



                                        -Jason

Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Subject: Re: "Good" demos and "Bad" demos!
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:45:41 GMT

m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:

>Not that this is very important, or relevant to the matter,
>but why did they change their name to Skid Row (being Paranoimia) ????

Probably cause their name tended to be "paralamia' more often.
A titel they earned and were proud of (and maintained until this day)

(btw..werent they World of Wonders before that? )


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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos,de.comp.sys.amiga.misc,swnet.sys.amiga,sfnet.atk.amiga
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:16:09 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB
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m91dva@tdb.uu.se (Dennis Vasko) writes:
: : Where do one get that? Does it work on an A3000 with 2.04 in ROM?
: 
: It does not work with any turbo-Amiga. But Skid Row fixed the so it works on
: all Amigas without turbo..
: 
:  /Dennis

Sorry, but I meant the SKick program, not the demo...
The questions still stands!

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Subject: Re: TESTED PARTY II DEMOS ON 68030!
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:12:38 GMT

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>In article <1993Jan10.224902.20818@fwi.uva.nl>, bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman) says most sayishly:
>>demo. Demo coders dont do this for money

>Oh yeah? :)  All those demo coders wanted to win some $$$ at Party92.
>Who wouldn't?

Ah..but you didnt have to pay anything did you?

>>So..if it doesnt work..tough luck. Be glad they even take the time
>>to change things after bugreports.

>Excuse me, the demo coders didn't change a thing.  Spaceballs probably
>figured "Screw you, we got our 1st prize cash, go buy an A500."  Skid
>Row changed (fixed) Spaceballs demo.  Skid Row doesn't make demos, and
>Skid Row wasn't even in the competition.  Pretty generous if you ask me.

I know for a fact spaceballs were changing the code. Skid row just
beat them to it and messed up the whole demo..i think its really a letdown
to see the final part with that lame message from skidrow..
Im glad skidrow took the time to debug it..but they shouldnt have
done it like this. 

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|bosman@fwi.uva.nl_   //     | Honest Officer , had I known my health      |
|-----------------\\ //AMIGA | stood in jeopardy I would never had lit one.|
|  PE no.1         \\/       |             -MAXIM (of the Hells Angels)-   |
|__________ Quickly Scotty,beam me up.There is no ox..y..ge..._____________|
From: mctaylor@mta.ca ("Michael C. Taylor")
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: A3000+ demos\
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:57:42 GMT
Reply-To: mctaylor@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada

I volenteer to help anyone who wants to make demos that work on NTSC or
A3000 (since that's what I have). I can play-test and try to pin-point 
the part which is causing the Guru or lock-up. 
 Now I have to say that I don't normally program in asm so I'll have to do
some more work in learning what little I do know, but with tools like MungWall
and Enforcer I might be able to pick up some of the errors. 
 Anyone interested in writing a demo in C can also contact me. I need some
one with a good grasp of the graphic internals and has either musical
ablilites or contact with someone who can write MED/MODs for us. 
 
 This is my response to all those Demo Coders who say, "Do it yourself",
I'm going to try to. And maybe I'll make you have to have an A3000 to run it
and must pay me a site lisence (;-)). And then those who pay can gripe. 
 
 Thanks to all those EuroDemo Coders which have shown us how much graphic
musical, and hardware bashing capibilities the Amiga 500 had. Now I want to
show the world what the 3000 can do. 
 
 What is this about some EuroDemos not working on the 600, ouch!, that baby
and the 1200 will rule the amiga sale in Europe soon enough I predict, so 
maybe if a Coder wants to show his/her friends how good they are they
better learn to write the code to run on the new standard amigas.
 
Contact via E-mail at  McTaylor@mta.ca
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Box M-14 Mount Allison University, Sackville, NB, E0A 3C0, Canada
Amiga 3000/25MHZ/100MB/5MB/KS 2.04 ROM/WB 2.05  A1960/A3070/A225/A2065
Exec - What an OS was meant to be.  MS-DOS - what your 64 should of used. :-)
From: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Piracy on Amiga
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:54:29 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman) writes:

- ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger) writes:
- 
- >may not be a next time that these demos will be debugged by people like 
- >Skid Row.
- 
- Ofcourse...you know Skid Row is a cracker group right? At least..they
- pretend to be..only..they fuck up all their cracks. People like skid row..hah
- 
- -- 
- |bosman@fwi.uva.nl_   //     | Honest Officer , had I known my health      |
- |-----------------\\ //AMIGA | stood in jeopardy I would never had lit one.|
- |  PE no.1         \\/       |             -MAXIM (of the Hells Angels)-   |
- |__________ Quickly Scotty,beam me up.There is no ox..y..ge..._____________|

Did you know that you are incriminating yourself as a pirate, Cor?  I 
would suggest that you do what I mentioned to the other person that I 
originally posted this message to.  GROW UP!!!!!

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From: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Skid Row / Spaceballs Demo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:58:59 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

jawil@hpx12.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:

- In article <8L96wB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- |> I agree tenfold.  That guy should be considered lucky that a few of the 
- |> members of Skid Row were nice enough to debug those demos to make them 
- |> work on the 68030 machines.  He'd better stop his little childish 
- |> incantations.  A word to the wise, Walter, "Grow the f*** up!!!!!"  There 
- |> may not be a next time that these demos will be debugged by people like 
- |> Skid Row.
- 
- You are truly incredible.. Praising SkidRow for harrasing a really good demo.
- Have you ever been on a party? Didn't think so.. Maybe you should have been
- there, programming a demo, so you could feel the time pressure towards the
- deadline? It's not always easy to make the demo perfect before releasing it.
- And Spaceballs did release a working version some days after. It hasen't been
- very widespread though..
- 
- -- 
-                                Jan Roger Wilkens
-                      Student at Agder Engeeniering School
-                                Computer Technics
- 
-                               EMail: jawil@aid.no

Okay, I will have to agree that they didn't have to insult the authors of 
the demo in the scrolltext.  They were at least good enough to make it 
exec-able on all Amigas.  They deserve at least some credit there.

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| (GGranger@Ersys.Edmonton.Ab.Ca)     |    lost in time, like tears  |
| 5516-190A Street                    |         in the rain."        |
| Edmonton, Alberta  T6M-2L3  Canada  |                              |
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: Criti!
Organization: My own place
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:45:01 GMT

In article 2125 Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.174251.26704@tdb.uu.se> m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
>>Well, go ahead make my day, MAC-lamer ! Show me 87 192-surfaces inconvex-
>>glenz-vectors in 8-bit triple parallax playfields, or go screw yourself

>Oh, sure!  Next, you'll want a 3D sphere with an image mapped on
>every face like Cube-O-Matic (Sphere-O-Matic?), bouncing inside a box with
>squash and stretch.  With lightsourced shading.  And shadows in the box.
>And while we're at it, why not put an *ANIMATION* on every face?  HELL, WHY
>NOT PUT >>>LIVE VIDEO<<< ON EVERY FACE!!???
>
>        Don't want much, do you? :-) :-)

>P.S:    What do you mean when you say "inconvex?"  Is that synonymous with
>        concave?

How did you get hold of this ? It was posted by me in alt.flame, *AGES* ago.
Back then I thought I could upset some of the idiots that post there, ha !
What a mistake, all they care about is crappy etnic-jokes.

Hey, it's a *joke*, exaggerated :^) not to be taken seriously, if you know what
that means...

Que ? It's no that hard to map a face onto a sphere and then
      apply some light-sourcing tehcnique to it, as for the rest;
      it's too much work, and I'm very lazy at the moment ;^)


/Mattias

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: jawil@hpx12.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens)
Subject: Re: Spaceballs (the demo)
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:04:28 GMT

In article <KIMMO.KETOLAINEN.93Jan10225439@euroni.utu.fi>, Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble) writes:
|> I suggest that in the next major competition there would be a bonus for
|> compatibility.  For example, all demos would compete just as before, no
|> compatibility  needed to enter,  but in a case  the winner works in all
|> other _standard_ machines too  (i.e. A600, A1200, A2000, A3000, A4000),
|> the prize would be $4000 instead of $2000 (or whatever the prizes are).

Or $100 extra for every machine (of for example those you mention) that the
demo works on. ;-)
A really good idea if I might say so...

-- 
                               Jan Roger Wilkens
                     Student at Agder Engeeniering School
                               Computer Technics

                              EMail: jawil@aid.no
From: u920659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: TESTED PARTY II DEMOS ON 68030!
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:02:08 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

d89-rbi@dront.nada.kth.se (Ron Birk) writes:

>This is a shame! What can we do to help those poor novice amiga
>programmers to learn how to program? One guy have started a

1) Novice? Well I guess you can call us novice if you accept the fact that
we've only been programming the 68000 for 4 years... And if you can do the
same on a vanilla amiga

2) You can't help us learn to program.. We know how to program _THE 68000_
WE FUCKING NEVER SAY THAT 'THIS DEMO RUNS ON 68030'!!! WE CAN NOT GUARANTEE
THE RESULT OF RUNNING OUR DEMOS ON OTHER CONFIGS THAN OUR OWN BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER AMIGA FOR TESTING PURPOSES!!! But since
you're so keen on the idea of 'helping' why don't you buy us one?

>'How To Code' doc file, and I find that VERY GOOD!! Keep up

Yep, great idea.

>the work! All of you knowing any Amiga coder out there, PLEASE
>show them this doc file or at least tell them that there exist
>other Amigas than their owns! Now that A4000 and A1200 came

Thanks for the information! I did not know that!

>out it's even more important to consider other processors than
>MC68000 and other graphic chips than ECS and older.

No, 'coz the most used machine in the demoscene is a plain A500 (ECS) with
512 k slow-ram. AND WE DON'T CARE IF OTHERS CAN'T WATCH OUR DEMOS. If you
want some stuff to show off to your PC-friends then program it yourself...
Which would make it even more fun.

>How can a demo win a competition without working?? That

Well it worked fine when run on the big screen

>is a major question! Only Shinings demo worked on 68030
>and it was in place five! Don't they TEST their work before

Is compatability the only thing that counts for you? Oh boy am I glad that
you were not there (were you?) so you could ruin the competition. Don't you
understand the beauty of demos?

>release??? What would happen if I bought a new car and when
>it starts raining the chassi would meld or the the wheels get
>loose?

Well, I for one wouldn't care

> Ron Birk         CS&CE at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden.
> Krogarvagen 11   Projects: PlaySID (Amiga), FanGog (Mac), MonkeyBase (Unix)
> 14552 Norsborg   E-Mail: d89-rbi@nada.kth.se     - Please, be happy! -
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, please be happy


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From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Spaceballs (the demo)
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:55:35 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger) writes:

>may not be a next time that these demos will be debugged by people like 
>Skid Row.

Ofcourse...you know Skid Row is a cracker group right? At least..they
pretend to be..only..they fuck up all their cracks. People like skid row..hah!

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|bosman@fwi.uva.nl_   //     | Honest Officer , had I known my health      |
|-----------------\\ //AMIGA | stood in jeopardy I would never had lit one.|
|  PE no.1         \\/       |             -MAXIM (of the Hells Angels)-   |
|__________ Quickly Scotty,beam me up.There is no ox..y..ge..._____________|
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll)
Subject: Spaceballs on nic.funet.fi corrupt?
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:14:16 GMT

It seems that the Spaceballs.demo.DMS file on nic.funet.fi is corrupt. The DMS
havent got some blocks. (Maybe it just looks on the first bytes to decide if it
is used?) It uses mem on $c00000. If you haven't got this, you won`t get it to
work. I moved jumper J101 and shorted J500 in my A2000 (this gives 512Kchip and
512K slowmem, but it still didn't work. I say the file is corrupt!

(and where is the PCM alpha&ohmega partII disk1????)

-Morten Leikvoll / leikvoll@hsr.no (Is it short enough?)
From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: WOW !! Spaceball
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:27:42 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd

rhuynh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Richard Huynh) wrote:

> 	Well, what can I say about this demo except that it's probably
> the most amazing demo I have seen !

Yes it is. I'd like to note that there is now a updated version of this
disk as nic.funet.fi:pub/amiga/demos/Demo_Competition/Spaceballs.Demo.DMS
and it works also on these one meg CHIP memory machines.

> 				Richard.

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From: mknip@niksula.hut.fi (Mats Anders Knip)
Subject: Re: Piracy on Amiga
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:54:03

>   Did you know that you are incriminating yourself as a pirate, Cor?  I 
>   would suggest that you do what I mentioned to the other person that I 
>   originally posted this message to.  GROW UP!!!!!

Oh please. If anybody should try to grow up, it's you. He's not
incriminating himself as anything - everybody knows that Skid Row is a
cracker-group, at least in europe. He's completely correct. If
anything is childish around here it's people praising skid row for
offending spaceballs in their own production, which they probably
spent hundreds of hours working on. OK, fine, they fixed the loader up
a little, but considering that the same group has hacked hundreds of
other products before this one, I would be very careful before praising
them publicly.
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From: savage@viper.rtp.dg.com (Ed Savage)
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:43:24 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.


Ok... I'm glad to see all of these demos out there...

Now the big question...  Which of these will run on an A3000 with 2.04
as-is? Which ones will run with a mixture of "degrader" options (and
which options)?

Thanks!

	--Ed
Edward Savage				DG/UX Development
Data General Corporation                savage@dg-rtp.dg.com
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: kipling@wam.umd.edu (Steven John Russ)
Subject: Spaceballs is ???
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:23:19 GMT

Is Spaceballs the same as StateOfTheArt.dms???  If not, where can I get
it (the Skid Row version)????  Pleas EMAIL!  Thanks!!!!

Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: jredders@iastate.edu (John Reddersen)
Subject: Re: WOW !! Spaceball
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:11:42 GMT

In <KIMMO.KETOLAINEN.93Jan7032742@polaris.utu.fi> Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble) writes:

>Yes it is. I'd like to note that there is now a updated version of this
>disk as nic.funet.fi:pub/amiga/demos/Demo_Competition/Spaceballs.Demo.DMS
>and it works also on these one meg CHIP memory machines.
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>     Yo-kyla 84 A 10, 20540 Turku  (921) 378227  kimketo@finfiles   |/\_~_/
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Does this version require more than a meg of memory total?  I have a
version from amiga.physik.unizh.ch that runs fine on my friends A500
with 3 meg (NTSC), but crashes as the hand appears on my 1
meg(512chip/512slowfast) NTSC machine :-(  I would really like a verison
of this demo that runs on my machine.

Thanks for any help.
P.S. I think the version on amiga.physik is called StateOfTheArt.DMS and
is still in the /pub/amiga/new directory.
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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: TESTED PARTY II DEMOS ON 68030!
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:19:19 GMT
Distribution: alt
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Ron Birk (d89-rbi@dront.nada.kth.se) wrote:

: I hoped at least that these guys knew how to program, but boy
: was I WRONG?!? Of all the demos only ONE worked with 68030!!!

I'm not at all surprised if they don't work on "non-standard"
Amigas. There was a lot of money to the winners, and the only
ambition these guys had was to win that money. In order to do
that their routines had to be faster and nicer than the others,
no wonder they tried all kinds of "illegal" ways.

The nice thing, though, is how fast and nice these demos actually
can be on a vanilla Amiga. Get my point?

But sure, it's sad for us 030+ owners... :-)

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