From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: AUGUST 14' .....    (response to an E-MAIL)
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 18:56:29 GMT

>To: indu@iss700.columbia.NCR.COM
>Subject: Re: 14th AUGUST AND ITS RELAVANCE TODAY
>


>> Today Pakistan could be different political entity, But what about its 
>> HISTORICAL links with BHARAT ?
>
>What Historical links ? What BHARAT ? Wake up Mr Indu this is 1992. Your 
> hallucinations (sp) are as prepostrous as todays India. What do you have in 
> common other then extreme poverty ? As far as Histortorical links are 
> concerned , todays Pakistan was never part of India . Similerly your wishful 
> dream of AKHAND BHARAT is as absurd as GHANDI's theory of non violence. I 
> think that it is in the best intrest of Indians to concentrate there efforts 
> on welfare of there masses and leave us alone ,we dont want to be part of 
> your stinking poverty.
>
>As Dr Sir Muhammad Iqbal has said:
>
>             Apni millat ka qayyaas aqwam-e-maghrib pay na ker
>             khas hay tarkeeb may qaum-e-rasool-e-hashmi  
>> I believe that PAKISTAN is still an integral part  of great Indian Culture..
>We were never and will never be part of your filthy Indian culture
>
>> Does Pakistan gaining its political independence mean that we lose claim on a>> our Historical landmarks like LAHORE.....
>
>Lahore was just the begining, Srinagar, Amritsar, Dehli, Assam , Tamil nadu ..
>are destined to follow the lead so sit calm and enjoy
>

Dear friend! You seem to be a bit lost with your basics. 
  Understandable. (As you continue you will know)

  Learn the following facts, before you can raise these your questions.

  WHEN DOES YOUR HISTORY START? in 1947 or to what ever actual date is?
  If 1947 then try to learn some HISTORY otherwise know that your socalled
  todays PAKISTAN has a long history dating back to pre-CHRISTIAN era. 
  That immediately makes its History of ISLAMIC slavery a dwarf. This part 
  of BHARAT was thru out being invaded and was fighting against the Invaders 
  likes SHAKAS, HUNAS, GREEKS, BARBARIANS, MONGOLS. The reason - it being the 
  only way by land to enter BHARAT. (ofcourse HIMALAYAS are always acting as
  a protection from NORTH.

  WHAT HAPPENED DURING THESE DAYS? This part of India was always shattered
  by these invasions and most of the time could keep its guard. Once the 
  rulers in these regions fell, then the HEART-LAND kingdoms had to guard 
  the country from these invasions. 
  This was the period of Pre-ISLAM.  During these periods great Indian 
  thinkers like CHANAKYA, RAKSHASA, AGASTYA, VARAHAMIHIRA,         
  rulers like CHANDRA GUPTA, PUSHYAMITRA, SRI HARSHA , SAMUDRA GUPTA,
  were all guarding the heartland  and had established powerful borders.
  This was the period of PURUSHOTTAMA. 
     Ganga Sindhuscha Kaveri Yamunacha Saraswati ... thus goes a 
     SUPRABHATAM.
  When I mean Pakistan I also include the GANDHARA age which is present 
  Afghanistan. During the times of Ikshwakus an Iranian princess was 
  married to DASHARATHA. During the periods of MAHABHARATHA a Gandhara 
  princess was the ROYAL MOTHER of the Indian Emperor. During the periods
  of Chanakya Great universities were founded and flourished in these
  regions. 

     I guess you are a product of current PAKISTANI misguded leadreship, and
  its policies and their effects.
  Its true that during the ISLAMIC CRUSADES India was weak internally and 
  we all lost, but unfortunately millions of INDIANS were butchered or 
  Converted by the power of BARBARIC forces. But this was in the last 
  few centuries. Even the heart land INDIA also was under  these BARBARIC 
  rulers but what made the differnce was that since this happened to be 
  heart land INDIAN were more resistant to these conversions and the INVADERS
  also realising the benefits of CULTURE, PEACE and other factors decided to
  pursue their conversions less intensified. Even then they remain BARBARIANS.

  Finally during the BRITISH leadership, you would be happy to note that 
  HINDUS thru out the country revolted to save the country, for the first time
  in UNITY through out the country, to break the shackles. It is a glorious 
  moment for revival in the past one THOUSAND years, after the efforts of
  SHIVAJI, RANAPRATAP, GURU GOBIND SINGH and many others. But it was also 
  during this time when we were in DARK not exactly knowing whom to believe
  whom not to. It was during this time the WESTERN-EDUCATED pseudo intellectuals
  took over the FREEDOM mevement and thus we fell into the trap MACULLAY 
  EDUCATIONAL POLICY and its ideology. Hence all these multiple concepts,
  having no knowledge about ourselves and our History, not beleiving ourselves
  and try to look at world with WESTERN eyes and BRAINS.  This led to all the
  following concepts
    - India is SUB-CONTINENT (the BRITISHER like a frog in a WELL could not 
      think of a country bigger than his ENGLAND, or much more diversified than 
      EUROPE. Hence they  could just make others believe, by explaining 
      that INDIA is a SUB-CONTINENT)
    - MUSLIMS are not HINDUS since origin ( they had their own interests in 
      convincing people that way)
    - HINDUIS is a religion ( they never knew concepts like DHARMA etc)
    - HINDUism is a failure ( which unfortunately took very seriously and
      and forgot about the HISTORY before our thgis slavery )
      and many other theories.

      NOTHING SUCCEEDS LIKE SUCCESS. So we need to succeed to prove ourselves.

      I can understand your frustration being a poor nation, but also realise
      that in collectivity we are a major force in the world. ARE WE NOT 
      RESPONSIBLE for our poverty? WE DIVIDED OUR NATION, THEN FIGHTING AMONG
      OURSELVES and then get frustrated with our poverty. FRUSTRATION is GOOD
      but should be diverted to CONSTRUCTION.

      LEARN ALL THIS. KNOW THAT YOU CAN AGAIN STAND UP IN THE WORLD AS
      BHARAT WITH OUT ALMS OF U.S.A.   Its high time we realise our 
      lost bonds. HOW MANY YEARS WILL YOU BE IN THE  ILLUSION and  LIVE   
      an existence of NON-HINDU. 
      
      Since I have understood the past, I donot get much annoyed. But if you
      read articles in s.c.i.   Indians write very demeaning articles which
      actually are facts, hurt conerted-hindu's feelings. Even they are also 
      like you who do not know much of their past and cling to MACULLAY system.
      They say
         -  Independence is  a success of HINDUS and MUSLIMS never were part 
            in that
         -  Pakistan was given away when the nation was at its darkest
            phase (ironically)
         -  DO REMEMBER 65 and 72  before you talk anything about KASHMIR
            (unfortunately BANGLADESH is again there)

      THOUGH I DO NOT WANT TO SAY ANY THING THESE ARE ALL FACTS. YOU STILL 
      BELIEVE IN JINNAH and OTHERS who could really not get any thing by 
      themselves and could not assimilate in the nation and thus started 
      groups which were cancerous and lived like parasites. Thus when
      we really got the INDEPENDENCE the parasite groups had their share.

      IT IS THESE PARASITES AND CANCERS we should fight against, REALISE THESE
      PARASITES, its already late. 

      Though you accept this or not THESE ARE FACTS OF HISTORY WHICH WE CANNOT 
      UNDO. You are true in saying that GANDHI's non-violence was wrong. Isn't 
      it that if TIGER preaches non-violence then it is NON-VIOLENCE, if a goat
      preaches then it's bullshit.


 Hope I've cleared all your doubts and Questions. If you want any further
 information please do not hesitate to ask. 

 WE HAVE TO WORK ON THIS. AND IT IS NOT A EASY TASK. 

 ***   GARV SE KAHO   HUM HINDU HAI ***
 
 HAVE FAITH IN YOUR PAST.     YOU ARE DESTINED FOR A GREAT FUTURE


-Indu.
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