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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Cube/NWA
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:10:42 GMT

In article <41dq-4l@lynx.unm.edu>, intruder@pioneer.unm.edu (David Aaron Kennedy) writes:
>
>I cant see how one of the best rap groups has broken up...
>well we all still have mc ren and cube. btw Rens new release is quite good
>and very original.

Well, after the fucken server at my blessed school has thrown out this post 8
times already, I'm gonna try one more time.  From an interview of Cube I saw
Monday night, there is talk of an NWA reunion.  Cube said that he would be down
if it does come off, but right now it is just a lot of talk, and he is a
business man.  When they put shit on paper, then he will do shit.  He said how
could he talk about people working together and shit if he doesn't do it 
himself?

>
>FAQ: what is cube's new album's title?
>again i never saw an answer to waht happened to Eazy-E's Temporarily 
>INsane.
>

Eazy-E has no skills.  Fuck 'em!  (MY opinion)

>Any replies appreciated
>"Mc Money"
>---

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and Ice Cube and stuff...
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:30:38 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <d1dol.722167317@dtek.chalmers.se> d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) writes:
$Puke!
$It's not difficult to make a dope track by sampling alot of PE etc. beats.
$
$example, Wicked track, OK it's dope hard etc. but the beats all used before
$fuck him, I dont respect him for that.

I liked Wicked, if they had taken that stupid ass reggae person off,
it'd've been helluv better.

$another stupid example: 'A good day' or whatever the title is, that track
$makes me puke when thinkin about how he used that 'Compton's most Wanted' sample.

But CMW bit that offa the Isley Brothers!  I did notice, however, at
least 2 or 3 ice cube tracks that had prevalent "Straight Check'n Em"
beats.  I almost expected MC Eiht to come bustin out wit some lyrixx.

$Originality is to find a dope and (nearly atleast) unused sample.
$If you cannot make original music yourself, let someone else do it.
$
$The hard Truth.

I agree, but you're pointin the flamethrower at the wrong motherfucker
when you point it at Ice Cube, IMHO.  Save that shit for tramps like
Marky Mark.  Or did I even have to say that.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Aww, nigga! You know you all that and a          malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
	bowl o' grits!!"  - Ice Cube       
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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: WICKED
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:15:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.225134.16117@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly) writes:
>
>          I would have to add the D.O.C. to that list and, of course, Paris
>who is the best West Coast Producer/Rapper.
>
>                                      -Roop

What was this in response to?  As far as best West Coast producer/rapper, I'd
have to disagree.  I find nothing special about the tracks I've heard from
Paris.  The lyrics weren't all that, but they did try to get a good message
across. . As far as the production, looping a beat in reverse doesn't impress
me.


K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: pIN The Tail On The Honky (Ice Cube/Lenchmob)
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:27:03
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 22:25:00 GMT

>>>>> "Amil" == Amil  <v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> writes:
  Amil> 	Did anyone read the article about the Lenchmob in this months
  Amil> SOURCE mag?  In an interview they talk about a song which the record
  Amil> company made them cut out called "Pin The Tail on The Honky".  They
  Amil> were gonna call the entire album that, too.  But they had to settle for
  Amil> it to be released as a b-side to a single.  

  Amil> 	I dont care what anyones feeling are towards the song or its title,
  Amil> that is a form of censorship, which we are beginning to see more and more
  Amil> of since "Cop Killer" (Body Count).  Freedom of Speech, juss watch what
  Amil> you say, I guess, huh?  

You're confused. There's nothing that says that Cube's record company is
obligated to distribute all of his material. I'll even bet that when he
signed his contract (you better believe there was one) there was a clause
reserving the right to ask for changes, deletions, etc. That's the price
you pay for getting paid.

Now if Ice Cube distributed his cut on self pressed records and tapes from
out the back of the trunk of his car, and his company said "You can't do
that, this stuff is indecent." then you have censorship.

The hip-hop community needs to learn this lesson with a quickfast.
Constantly shouting "CENSORSHIP!" when *somebody else* decides to not
distribute your stuff is 1) ignorant and 2) creates noise that drowns out
real cases of censorship.

You have a right to say whatever you want but not a right to make sure I
hear it.
--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: pIN The Tail On The Honky (Ice Cube/Lenchmob)
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Did anyone read the article about the Lenchmob in this months
SOURCE mag?  In an interview they talk about a song which the record
company made them cut out called "Pin The Tail on The Honky".  They
were gonna call the entire album that, too.  But they had to settle for
it to be released as a b-side to a single.  

	I dont care what anyones feeling are towards the song or its title,
that is a form of censorship, which we are beginning to see more and more
of since "Cop Killer" (Body Count).  Freedom of Speech, juss watch what
you say, I guess, huh?  

	A similar incedent was what pushed Ice Cube's new album back
from Election day to last Tuesday.  The song "You Aint Gonna Take My Life"
(with the En-Vogue-LIKE sample of "no you're never gonna get it...") was
cut out of "The Predator" because of strong cop killin themes.  Its now
available as the b-side to the "Wicked" single.  

	But what the fuck?  Rap is definately under attack.  And now with
Clinton, Gore, and Tipper in there...forget about it!  I guess Bush being
out is better for the country, and music is less important than the 
state of our homeland, but that doesnt mean we should have to compromise!
Clinton will hopefully fix this country and Gore will help him.  But what
is Tipper gonna do?  The same thing she always has been...look at Nancy
Reagan.  Before she ever became miss-pressy, she started the "juss say
no" campaign.  After she got power EVERYONE heard about it.  Something
like the ALCU by Tipper Gore which most people have already heard about
will juss be unleashed come next year!  

	And why is it that "they" dont see this as a censorship issue???
WHY?  That makes no sense.  

	So what should we do?  How can we save rap?  People who listen to
hip-hop have to let this country know that we are opposed to this censorship.

WHEN ASKED AS TO WHY HE WAS MARCHING FOR PRO-CHOICE AND AGAINST OPERATION
RESCUE, HE SAID, "WELL, I GUESS JUSS TO LET WASHINGTON KNOW THAT THERE
ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SUPPORT PRO-CHOICE.  IF NOBODY MARCHED, IF NOBODY
SAID ANYTHING BACK AT THE SAME LEVEL, THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND BAN ABORTION.
BUT IF THEY KNOW THAT THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE
WHO WILL BE VEEEERY ANGRY ABOUT IT, THEY MIGHT THINK TWICE ABOUT IT."

	Letting people know there are millions of us out here is the key.
We can talk about how much we're bein oppressed on alt.rap all we want to,
it make a fuckin difference.  

	Do something about it.  
								aMIL

		C.O.R.E. in '93
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From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X soundtrack (was Re: Whatever happened to....)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:43:00 GMT

In article <ROBERTK.92Nov20120852@rkrajewski.lotus.com> robertk@rkrajewski.lotus.com (Robert Krajewski) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.134310.3826@Cadence.COM> mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
>
>   Peace Mas 
>
>   ISLAM, My source of Force. 
>
>OK, cool. It's amazing what a little explanation and punctuation will
>do !
>
>On a more positive note, do you admire any rappers that show an
>Islamic influence ?

I admire all rappers who drop knowledge about social issues and who talk 
sense, I however don't like rappers who waste their talents on chattin' 'bout
skins and dissin' Mothers and sisters. For me if the rappers are true
Muslims (not NOI/Brand Nubians/5%ers) then they are more likely to drop
some serious knowledge.

Even though I dissed PE I still admire some of the things they say and some 
of the issues they handle Black awareness, and supporting Black charities,
but they have got to get off of the NOI tip because that makes them look like
hypocrites.

Give information not DISS-Information,
Give Education not Indoctrination,
Together we can build a great nation.


Peace 

Islam my Source of Force

Mas

-- 
 C I T I Z E N       mas@cadence.com
 _____   _____       
      \_/    
 _____/ \_____
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From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Subject: Re: House of Pain
Organization: UCLA Biochemistry
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:37:59 GMT

In article <balbondj.721931523@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Dah Man) writes:
> Is House Of Pain West Coast or East Coast?  I know Everlast was West Coast,
> but I am just curious if the relocated to the east.  I Yo Saturday they had
> HOP on, and they expalined there connection with Cypress Hill (Soul Assains)
> but they were in New York and it seems that they may have relocated.


L.A. still claims them as their own.  They talk like they're from Brooklyn,
but really they're from the Valley.  My roommate tells me Danny Boy used to
be in a white skinhead gang up there.  Was a real racist asshole at one point,
so my impression is that these guys are total hypocrites.  Does anybody know what
song refers to "Mickey Mouse Club"?  Apparently that's another local gang.  

Of course this is all hearsay and may be total crap, I'll check it again with
my roommate before I promise it's all true.  

Terra

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: House of Pain
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:36:59 GMT

In article <balbondj.721931523@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Dah Man) writes:
> Is House Of Pain West Coast or East Coast?  I know Everlast was West Coast,
> but I am just curious if the relocated to the east.  I Yo Saturday they had
> HOP on, and they expalined there connection with Cypress Hill (Soul Assains)
> but they were in New York and it seems that they may have relocated.

I always thought they were from Ireland myself.  They do sing a little of the
Irish national anthem on one track.

>
>      -Dah Man-
>


-- 
- David J. --------------------------- *Coming in 1993:                      *
- Blue Riddle Productions ------------ *RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE *
- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ----- *David J.'s debut 12" single          *
- Sports Editor/Indiana Daily Stupid - *ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions*
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X soundtrack (was Re: Whatever happened to....)
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.105501.27446@Cadence.COM>, mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
>PE have been on the NOI tip from day one, when I first heard 
>Bum Rush and became aware of PE I really  did think they were
>Muslims and I thought the NOI were Muslims. Now I think NOI
>stands for Nation of Infidels. and PE although I love thier
>music I think they are Hypocrites and are full of shit just like
>5%, BN's, Ansars etc.. White man is the devil and all that
>but PE are down with white "devils" like U2 Sisters of Mercy
>and Anthrax they're asses are ownned by Jews (Def Jam) and
>

Just in minor defense (I dunno why, but...), a lot of people believe in some of
the things that the NOI does, but does not agree with all their teachings and
practices.  I myself don't recall hearing Chuck D. (or Flavor for that matter)
ever calling the white man the devil, though I could really be wrong here.  If
he did, well, I guess you're right with your analysis then!  Though, I point
out, calling the white man the devil and then working with him for cash is
about as greedy as a Jew who owns a record label putting out records that dis
his faith and people.  But, it's all about money now, isn't it?

>
>Asalaam-u-alay-kum to my Muslim Brothers and Sisters
>
>and Peace to all
>
>Mas
>(All Terrain Infidel Killers A.T.I.K. productions)
>(A.T.I.K. is dedicated to spreading Islam through the

                                          T-Dub
                                          SHYGUY Productions
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: CATS:  Already?  The 2nd Annual New Jack Hip Hop Awards
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:47:21
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov18.082931.10657@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
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In-reply-to: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:29:31 GMT

klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92) writes:
|Why not just use the same categories, and if anyone can think of any, just add
|those to the ones already established?  Consistency would add something great
|to these awards I would think, in terms of historical comparison.

Actually, that was my plan.

My favorite new suggestion is "Album Most Unfairly Slept On".

Any others?
--
Peace.
                     "When society acknowledges you as one of its victims 
                      rather than one of its members, it no longer has 
                      any responsibility to help you."
                                - Kyle Baker, Why I Hate Saturn
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Sister Souljah
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 03:02:34 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I just heard on the news that Sister Souljah's life has been threatened! 
She is to speak today at the University of Toronto, and many groups have 
said if she speaks, she will be killed...the news also said she was 
supposed to do a lecture on Saturday, but due to numerous threats against 
her life, she pulled out of that one...

If anyone hears more about this, please post about it!


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: v523d85n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: CATS: Already? The 2nd Annual New Jack Hip Hop Awards
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


we should also have a category for 'best compilation' or something like
that with a better name for rappers/djs/musicians/singers/etc. who usually
dont work with  each other get together and drop a jam or two.   so many crews are getting
together on some of the ruffest stuff, like scenario with quest and
leaders, or the brand new heavies album.
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Malcolm X: The movie
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:08:28 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- Far assi no, commin comming atcha on da 18th Wed. Thats in NY tho', dont know
- and shiznit, they do him justice for once....
- 
- Twilight Productions, Strong Island, L.I. NY
Well I believe it opens Nation Wide on Wednesday, since all thru Canaduh, 
it also opens Wed. 18th...count me in there on openin' nite, and from the 
EXCELLENT 1 hour news report on CBC news tonite about Malcolm X, the man 
and the movie (and on Spike Lee) this movie is gonna be hype!

Latah

Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X: The movie
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:29:16 GMT

In article <92321.120154U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>, Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>I also heard that the Nation of Islam aren't too thrilled with this movie, be-
>cause it doesn't focus enough attention on Malcolm after his visit to the
>Mecca.  Any info on this?  Louis Farrakhan was treated to a private screening,
>but I haven't heard anything since.
>
>Peace Out...
>The Minister of Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner...

Actually, the NOI and Farrakhan are more worried about the representation of
the Honorable E. Mohammad.  They don't want him coming out looking bad and
like a 'devil' in the film.  This from (the first part) from Spike on Arsenio
tonite........
                                           T-Dub
                                           SHYGUY Productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: Rap lyrics
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:14:55 GMT

The ftp site that *I* always use, 131.210.1.4, has lyrics to *some* rap songs
but very few, It has all kinds of music, its not designated soley for rap, so
you know how rap artists get lost in the shuffle with the more *POP*ular art-
ists, it has basically rock and roll and pop lyrics...Doesnt sound like a bad
idea to start a rap lyrics archive, considering how many requests weve had on
here for lyric postings...

                                                               RJ
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: cllave01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Malcolm X
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:02:38 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Malcolm X the movie 
the official release date is Wednesday, November 17th, although some cities
have had sneak previews. The movie is supposed to be approx.3 hours in 
length though!
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Malcolm X: The movie
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:09:12
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 03:52:00 GMT

v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
|In article <92319.17435534LI4E6@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, 34LI4E6@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Madison J. Gray) writes...
|> 
|>     The Spike Lee directed film will be released nationally Wed. Nov 18. The
|>film was made from a James Baldwin written script that was based on
|>"The Autobiography of Malcolm X (As Told To Alex Haley)."

	   Not a big deal, but James Baldwin wrote the screenplay 10 years
|ago as a book (available in book stores, and called "When The Chicken
|Comes Home to Roost").  It was based on HIS OWN ideas, accounts, and 
|knowledge of Malcolm. 

I know all about the James Baldwin script, but aren't you confusing it
with the Tony Brown-produced "When Chickens Come Home To Roost"?

	   The script for _Malcolm X_ was written by Spike Lee BASED ON
|the Baldwin script and Alex Haley's book and many other sources, including
|family members.  

Yep.

	   People find that very important because, ultimately, if the movie
|does not do justice to Malcolm's life, Spike is to blame,  NOT Baldwin
|or whoever.
|	   I really hope the movie is what Spike says..."a masterpiece".

Right.  I hear it's damned good tho'.  He's certainly seemed to have
won over the mainstream critics, if Newsweek and S&E are
representative.

	   As a film student I had the opportunity to work at 40 Acres and
|a Mule (Spike's production co.) in Brooklyn as an intern this past 
|summer.  The movie really looks great.  I saw it get edited, and saw the
|soundtrack get put on, etc. etc., and I have to tell you this:

|    ...the film opens with a voice-over of one of Malcolm's most
|famous speaches as we see the Rodney King beating footage intercut 
|with an American Flag.  Back and forth, until the flag bursts into
|flames, which spread upward, to form an "X"...

So I've heard.  Is it as gorgeous as it sounds?
--
Peace.
     "Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete
      than expected.  Carefully planned projects take four times
      longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners
      expect their planning to reduce the time it takes."
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 14:22:44 EST
From: <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Why is there an alt.fan.run-dmc??

Could any Run DMC discusion be posted in this group.
Just wondering.......
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Why is there an alt.fan.run-dmc??
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:52:35 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

Hey...

Run DMC gets all the props for breaking rap in, etc...but at this point, what
is there left to say about them?? I mean, I heard they are working on a new
album....but thats still pending....Its sad to find out that a lot of the major
rap artists who helped bring rap to the forefront are now struggling to survive,
But its like, until they drop something new, what is there to say about them??

                                                                RJ
From: rojohnso@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Call Me Crazy For Asking, But...
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:53:59 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

I dont know what that 12" is like, but Ive seen the video for Lil D's "Here
I come"(or some shit like that) And it is very weak, IMO. He sounds like he's
trying too hard to sound like a B-Boy, and ends up sounding like nothing more
than what he is, a white boy, with no real street knowledge, trying to talk
like a b-boy..(Its not a white thing, Im not trying to hear any shit from 
people calling me racist, and Id be the  first to tell you that House of Pain
is all that,) but it just doesnt work....To Sum it up, Bud is Booty...

                                                   Opinions are like assholes
                                                   everybody got one, baby
                                                              RJ
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