HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: AEO address?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:07:17 GMT

In article 15493539@cc4.crl.aecl.ca, csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca () writes:
>Could someone tell me the E-mail address of Atari Explorer on-line.
>I asked Greg Lindahl at Virginia.Edu but he was obnoxious and
>would not tell me. Always puzzles me why some netters treat others
>with contempt.

I don't know if the staff of AEO is available via the Usenet or not.  I know
they can be reached through GEnie, however.

Ref the latter... yeh, it's a mystery.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Re: Changes to atari.archive.umich.edu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:58:46 GMT
Reply-To: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands
Keywords: bart, atari.archive, a.a, umich atari posse, the pope, minneapolis

>>>>> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) (WA) writes:

WA> weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner) writes:

>1.  Each directory will now begin with a capital letter, regardless of 
>it's location in the hierarchy.

>2.  Files that begin with a capital letter will be downcased.

WA> So directories will appear first in the list... that's more like
WA> what us Atari users are familiar with!

It would be nice if the symbolic links in Newitems would also be changed
accordingly.
-- 
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: richardson@sscl.uwo.ca (John Richardson)
Subject: lh5 extraction and x_shell
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:34:11 GMT

I've noticed a few posts recently about problems extracting .lzh archives (I
assume specifically -lh5- compressed ones).  I have lharc 201i and have this
installed for use with x_shell, but it still doesn't seem to want to extract
.lzh's with lh5 compression!  For instance when I try to extract INVDEMO3.LZH
it tells me that it can't find /rm.lzh.  I think this si a problem with x_shell
as I think r and m are switches...right!  Is lharc reading the x_shell commands
as filenames here?  Anyway, any help would be appreciated...x_shell seems quite
good if I could get it to work properly!!!
  
			T.T.F.N.
					JR.

+--------------------------------+ +---------------------------------------+ 
| John Richardson                | | "An animal psychologist is a person   | 
| Dept. of Psychology            | |   who pulls habits out of rats!"      | 
| University of Western Ontario, | |                                       | 
| London, Ontario                | |                     - ANON.           | 
| CANADA                         | +-+-------------------------------------+ 
+--------------------------------+ +-*-+- +--------------------------------+  
+------------------------------------+--+ | The preceding opinions do not  | 
|  e-mail: RICHARDSON@VAXR.SSCL.UWO.CA  | |  necessarily reflect those of  | 
|                                       | |  the Dept. of Psychology, or   |
|        phone:  (519) 657-5102         | |  UWO...unless by coincidence!! |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Boston Computer Society shows Falcon 030
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:41:45 GMT

In article <1723@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>  If that is the case, why is it that no-one has produced the required
>hardware and software for the Atari ST? The hardware is simple you say,
>so why not? And why isn't there an equivalent for PCs or MACs ? If it 
>was easy someone would have made the Toaster for PC-machines long ago
>and be multi-millionaires by now. No, the secret lies in the combination 
>CBM Video Hardware + Toaster HW + Toaster SW + CBM System Software.

Well, the regular STs didn't have an input for external sync, so you couldn't
synchronize with an external video source. The STe has this input, so
genlocking is easy. Of course, there are genlock boards for STs now, so
someone has obviously found a way around this lack of an input.

The PC bus is too braindamaged to support the bandwidth required to do
good video, and PC video adapters are too braindamaged to do fast good-looking
video in the first place. With the original bus at 5.77MHz and 8 bits, and
even the AT bus at only 16 bits, you can see where the problem lies.
Dunno about Macs, but judging from early architecture it's hard to see
how they could do it right. As I recall from the TT, the new video hardware
performs 64 bit memory accesses, not 32, so if you're only estimating
based on clock speed you're going to be off by a factor of two.
>
>  Can you be a little more specific? What hardware components in the
>Falcon replaces the Toaster? Does it output 24-bit video? Does it
>have video inputs? Can it mix video signals? Can it produce
>broadcast quality output? Does it have ASICs to create custom 
>dissolves/wipes etc? Character generators? Chroma keying?

Quoting from the video tutorial posted in rec.video, 3 Mar 90 02:57:35 GMT:
:Composite NTSC digital studio equipment typically stores a frame as
:768-by-480 samples of 8 bits each, for about 384 KB (3 Mb) per frame.
:Component digital equipment stores YUV components at 720-by-480 samples of
:16 bits each for about 675 KB (5.4 Mb) per frame:  8-bit U and V colour
:components are horizontally subsampled by a factor of two with respect to
:luminance.

As such, your question about 24-bit video is irrelevant, and it's quite
obvious that the Falcon *can* output broadcast quality video. Character
generators are for people who don't have real computers to work with.
Dissolves and wipes between computer generated video and live video are
trivial given the external sync input. Mixing video signals requires
dual video inputs and a TBC, which the Falcon doesn't provide, but even
with a Toaster you still need an outboard TBC, so the question is also
irrelevant.
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

California, land of dreams. For many, moving out to CA is their first step
toward fulfilling their dreams. For most of them, it's also their last.
From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon in Australia
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:12:49 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola) writes:
>From article <1992Sep25.123525.22133@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, by mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger):
>> In the referenced article, swanee@megadata.mega.oz.au (Geoff Swan) writes:
>> that as usual we in England will be paying way over the odds for these
>> machines, typically in my experience we pay the same amount in UK
>> pounds as the Americans do in dollars!
>> 
>> Oh well such is life. (or c'est la vie for those language buffs).
>> 
>> Does anyone know why we always pay more in England?  I've known cases
>> where it would have been cheaper to get on a ferry drive to Germany,
>> buy a machine and drive back, rather than buy from a UK distributor.
>> 
>
>Well, I attended the ECTS (European Computer-entertainment Trade Show)
>about a month ago, in London, and Atari UK expressed that the bottom
>of the range Falcon030 WOULD be on sale for #499 (four hundred and
>ninety-nine pounds sterling). This is obviously excluding Hard
>disk,etc, but at least it's cheap.
>
>Antony.

Well, this sounds quite promising - does anyone know any figures for the 
machines with hard disc, co-processors or extra memory?

Mark
From: andrew@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Monkey Island II
Keywords: game
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:30:54 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@minster.york.ac.uk (Andrew Hague)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

I understand that Monkey Island II would not be converted because LucasFilm
Games did not want to compromise the brilliant graphics and sound that both
the IBM and Amiga versions had for the lower standards that the Atari ST 
offered.  The Falcon030 seems to overcome this problem so maybe they could
convert it now!!!!  In fact I plan to buy my Falcon once Monkey Island II 
exists for it.

-Andrew

Hmmm..  Maybe I should not compromise myself by buying a game which uses lower
quality sound and graphics than my machine can easily manage.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Press Coverage of Falcon?
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:34:00 GMT

aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>In a previous article, komives@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Robert Komives) says:
>>Did any newspapers pick up the Boston unveling of the Falcon on Sep. 23?
>>
>>				Bob Komives
>>The Fort Collins Coloradoan ................................	No
>>

>I looked in the CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER adnd they had nothing to say about it
>though I did write the computer journalist...

>I looked in the Wall Street Journal, nope...

>And yesterday, I checked out those newspapers and U.S.A. TODAY plus the
>NEW YORK TIMES and none of them had it...

  :-) :-) Face it guys - nobody's interested in the Falcon and it will be 
a huge flop (just like all other Atari machines) and Atari will go
bankrupt in no time when Commodore introduce their new AGA Low-end
machines (same Gfx as A4000) by christmas.

  Bye, bye Atari...
--
Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
 Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
  EMail: boberg@lysator.liu.se, lha@augs.se           FIDO: 2:204/404.7
    UUCP:  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswe!team17!boberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jww@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack W. Wine)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon at BCS Show - Eyewitness Report!
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:48:48 GMT

In article <EemCuNy00awWQJlI5=@andrew.cmu.edu> Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>
>640x480x72 means that there is 32MB/s of video memory bandwidth
>(it could be less, but it seems sensible)
>
>32MB/s divided by 60Hz gives you 530'000 points per image:
>and it doesn't take into account the time to 'scan-back' lost
>in synchronisation (typically 30% in non-overscan and more than
>10% in overscan)

Taking account of the 20% overscan would mean 768x480 @ 72 Hz and that
takes about 26 MB/s.  Also the bandwidth of the monitor must be greater
than the computer video bandwidth because, as you point out, the 
monitor has to respond to overscan and sync signals, while the video
bandwidth of the computer is only used when memory has to be accessed
(during overscan but not during sync).  
  
>
>So that I don't believe 800x600x60 hz to be feasible in 256 colors !

Since it would only take about 2 MB/s more bandwidth than 768x480 72 Hz
it seems possible!  It would have to be on a multisync though and the
specs mentioned that the overscan was programmable so it could be 
adjusted for particular monitors.
 
>
>Anyway, only monochrome interests me !

Something close to TT rez would be nice to show off Mono Lisa GIF!  :-)


Jack
From: vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: SC1224: $110 (shipping included)
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:29:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Sep30.092913.7678
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept


Email if interested.

Trung
vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Spectre.
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:26:54 GMT

In article 1aodneINNklo@golem.wcc.govt.nz, wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz () writes:
>Okay, I have here a Spectre GCR Cartridge (including 128k ROMs), version 3.0
>of the software, and v3.0 of the 'Mac PD' utilities disk.  The original box,
>Spectre manual, and v3.0 update manual are also included.
> 
>(And, also a drive cable for hooking the cartridgr into the computer / 2nd
>disk drive).
> 
>$350(US)or near offer!


Hmmmmm... thanks for reminding me.  I have the _same_ thing for sale at $250.
Send email, please.

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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: Gerry O'Rourke
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Archive 2150S to Atari ST HOW?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:38:40 GMT
Organization: NORTHERN TELECOM  (IRELAND)  LTD.

In article <memo.650580@cix.compulink.co.uk> apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam
Pelled) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep24.043753.29520@nrtpa038.bnr.ca>, smclane@nrtpa037.bnr.ca
(Steve McLane x1602) writes:
>>
>>   Help, I have a Archive 2150S tape drive and want to hook it up to my ST.
>>  Where do I start?? What exactly is a 2150S?? What jumper settings etc..
>>
>>       Thanks for any help..
>>               Steve Mclane
>>
>>   smclane@bnr.ca
>
>    i don't know Steve, but as chance would have it, i have just been reco-
>mmended this very save drive. i will look forward with interest as to how
>you get on. Please do post..
>
>    Adam.      apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
>

I have an Archive Viper 2150S Tape Drive,but I don't have any technical data.
What it appears to be is a half height 150 Meg drive (SCSI port).
I have used it for several months now, for all my backups, with no problems.

What you need will depend on what you already have.
You will need:

(i)	 A host adapter to connect to the DMA port, I use a Supra adapter;ICD might
be a better choice as it appears to be more popular.

(ii) Some sort of power supply, (+5 volts DC & +12 volts DC) with enough
capacity,like you would use to power a hard drive.

(iii) Driver software. I use Alan Hourihane's excellent "Tapebios"
software.This allows you to setup & test your drive & then go on to use as 
a backup device for your hard disk.

This setup will allow you to backup & restore whole partitions to the tape,
you cannot backup files on their own. But in use it is so fast that it's easier
to backup the whole drive while you have a coffee, than to sit a force feed
floppies into the disk slot.

I don't have an address for any suppliers of host adapters, but they should
advertise in the ST mags or someone else on the net may be able to fill in the
blanks.

The Tapebios software is available on a.a.u.e.

Regards
Gerry O'Rourke
Email gigxr01@nt.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Is there an auto prg to merge midi out with a thru?
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:26:32 GMT

despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:

>In your tiny "user's guide" there is a pinout for the Midi out/thru port.
>The standard three pins (1, 3, 5) are signal & shield and (2,4) are thru.
>Use pin 3 for the shield, there is no harm since the devices are allegedly
>isolated.  By the way, unshielded works fine for me over short distances.

In my tiny user's guide :) the following diagram is given:

         3 *     * 1                 1: THRU transmit data
           5*   * 4                  2: Shield ground
              *                      3: THRU loop return
              2                      4: OUT transmit data
                                     5: OUT loop return

It looks as if this is not the same as what you write. Or do I miss the point?
Doesn't this mean that 2=shield (obvious :) and 1=THRU? (dunno what this
'THRU loop return' on pin 3 means...)

Hendrik Jan


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Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: richardson@sscl.uwo.ca (John Richardson)
Subject: Crackart english docs...again???
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:54:06 GMT

Does anyone have the english docs for crackart?  I think this has been posted
before and may have been resolved...but I didn't have the package then and so
didn't follow the posts!  Also, has anyone had this problem:  I import a
picture, degas/neo etc. and it gets split (eg. the left half of the picture is
shown on the right of the screen and vice-versa).  Any help with either of
these problems is appreciated,

			T.T.F.N.
					JR.

+--------------------------------+ +---------------------------------------+ 
| John Richardson                | | "An animal psychologist is a person   | 
| Dept. of Psychology            | |   who pulls habits out of rats!"      | 
| University of Western Ontario, | |                                       | 
| London, Ontario                | |                     - ANON.           | 
| CANADA                         | +-+-------------------------------------+ 
+--------------------------------+ +-*-+- +--------------------------------+  
+------------------------------------+--+ | The preceding opinions do not  | 
|  e-mail: RICHARDSON@VAXR.SSCL.UWO.CA  | |  necessarily reflect those of  | 
|                                       | |  the Dept. of Psychology, or   |
|        phone:  (519) 657-5102         | |  UWO...unless by coincidence!! |
+---------------------------------------+ +--------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bldaniel@unccsun.uncc.edu (Brian Daniels)
Subject: Program to read ST disks on a PC needed
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Summary: help
Distribution: usa
Keywords: ST PC
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:19:55 GMT
X-Posted-From: unccsun.uncc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu



I'm looking for a program to run on an IBMPC clone that
will allow me to read ST-formatted 720k disks.  I noted one
on atari.archive called ataridsk.zip, but it seems to be 
corrupted (total size is ~47 bytes, and unzip says it's not
a zip file).   I'd appreciate a pointer to a program to do 
this...
 
Thanks in advance,
Brian
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From: bhawker@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FAX software
Summary: fax software
Keywords: STraight fax
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: oneb.VTDuRB1w164w
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.

rouellet@gel.ulaval.ca (Real Ouellet) writes:

> I am not sure this post should be here, but here it goes:
> 
> I recently bought a fax modem (US Robotics Sportster) and would like to
> send faxes with it... but I have no atari FAX software. Is there some
> (public domain or else ) available? Where? At what price?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Real Ouellet
> Laval University, CANADA

Have a look at STraight Fax, by Joppa Software(?). I haven't tried it
personally, but have heard great things about it by users.  It retails
in Canada for $99.

Bruce...

           bhawker@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Bruce Hawker)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convert picture formats??? Which program?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 12:56:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <16874AC0.BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de> BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley) writes:
>In article <BvEqKI.1HL@sci.kun.nl>
>leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
> 
>>Just a simple question.
>>I'm looking for a program that can convert several picture formats.
>>I want especially to convert a 16 color gif to a black and white degas
>>picture (320x200 to 640x400).
>>
>>I think there must be a program to do this, but which?
>>And where can I find it (pd/shareware/freeware).

>Hi!
>There are sevral prgs to do the job. A good choice is "gemview".
>You can get some convert-prgs via ftp from "ftp.tu-clausthal.de" (139.174.1.3)
>Get /pub/atari/graphics/convert/Index ....

	Hold on a sec.  As far as I know, Gemview (even the latest) reads 
everything (even jpg) but it only saves in img (either color or monchrome).
This person is asking for a converter program.  A good program for doing
this kind of manipulation is the suite of PBM tools (I believe you can get 
them on a.a.).  It will take a little bit o' shuffling, but they work really
well, and give you lots of control over the output - in fact probably more 
control than most people will ever use! :)

	However, if all you want to do is look at a nice picture, then 
Gemview will work just fine (if a bit slow on a non-TT machine).  

	BTW, does anyone know if Gemview will work on the Falcon?  It looks
like whoever wrote Gemview adhered pretty well to all the VDI stuff, as it
works well with cache on, and even with Warp9 installed (even if there is
no speed improvement).

	

>Bye,
>  Wolfgang.
<sig deleted>

-Mike

Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:32:38 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Press Coverage of Falcon?
	<1714@lysator.liu.se>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 26-Sep-92 Re: Press Coverage of
Falcon? Stefan Boberg@lysator.li (1146)

>   :-) :-) Face it guys - nobody's interested in the Falcon and it will be 
> a huge flop (just like all other Atari machines) and Atari will go
> bankrupt in no time when Commodore introduce their new AGA Low-end
> machines (same Gfx as A4000) by christmas.

>   Bye, bye Atari...


Great ! You're great !
Thanks for all these useful information !

	Stefan Monnier

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From: wvleeshh@wg.estec.esa.nl (wim vleeshhouwer)
Subject: Re: using Falcon DSP as modem?
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:23:51 GMT

Think about all the other possibilities the DSP can offer, like connecting it 
to a HAM radio and let it decode RTTY and WEFAX or Packet Radio. Also normal
Faxes could be handled by this beast. I can think of lots more apps!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: swanee@megadata.mega.oz.au (Geoff Swan)
Subject: Re: Falcon in Australia
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:46:44 GMT

In article <19us3cINNc2c@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> 
> I think you have the price in OZZ completly wrong, even a 1040STE sells
> there for some $A$800, also we have been quoted a NZ price of at least
> nz$2500, so I think you will be dreaming of a A$1000 price, more like A$2300...
> Roger.............               sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

The figure I was quoted came straight from Atari itself, and has been
backed up by a number of developers that I have spoken to. Where did
you get your quotes from? I thought you said Atari in NZ had shrivelled
up and blown away?

    Sla/n go fo/ill,
                    Risky B.
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