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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:14:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug17.190149.11017@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.c
>
>In Owen Veenstra writes:
>
>>>>>      Unfortunately, it seems that a few people out there are obsessed with
>>>>>  a *very* select number of authors (Koontz/King...), so I figure that I'll
>>>>>  liven things up with a few names I consider worth reading.
>
>Laurel responds:
>>>>I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you are not under obligation to
>>>>answer (or read for that matter) any messages on things you don't like to
>>>>discuss...
>Later, in response to being told she overreacted, Laurel adds:
>
>>Maybe he did not say that King and Koontz should not be discussed, but if
>>someone says there are a select few people who are "obsessed" with the authors
>>(which he did), I resent that because there is no way I am not being referred
>>to here as obsessed.
>Well, I personally think you are over-reacting in a big way. I have left
>Owen Veenstra's original posting in this response, because I want to challenge
>you to point out where he says that Laurel A Povazan is obsessed with King
>and Koontz.
>Anyone who reads this group for more than one day, say, has seen you post
>about lots of other authors, including some rather obscure ones. On the
>Marcy

Okay, okay, I over-reacted. This is the third time I have admitted it. If you
haven't read today's (Aug.18) messages, you don't know that I tried to explain
the outburst again. I figured that I was being referred to because a great
majority of what I post is about King. That's it. I was also pissed because I
had previously flipped out on someone who was saying we should all drop King
and talk about other stuff, but didn't bring up a subject! That was the
_first_ impression I got from Oliver's post and now I know I am wrong, okay?
Besides, he responded to the "flames?" and said he saw my point in a way,
beyond my defensiveness. My sincere apologies to everyone on here: I
over-reacted. Now can we talk about horror again?
					Laurel


Not my post ...

     - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

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laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Goodbye, folks
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:40:30 EDT

Dear alt. horror:

	It is with this post that I must regretfully bid you farewell.
	As of Friday, I graduate from illustrious Syracuse University
	with a Master's degree in newspaper, and lose my net access.

	It's been a lot of fun.  I've enjoyed discussing books and
	films and such, debating and agreeing, and discovering
	new, horrific delights.

	So to Rick Rauser, Ken Yousten, Laurel, Kevin Adams, Matt Hucke,
	Misti Jordan, Fiona, Fang, and the rest of you (too many to name) who
	I've conversed with, take it easy. It's been fun.

	And I still say _Gerald's Game_ is one of the best damn books
	Steve King has written. So there. :-)

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University
	
	And as Robert Neville says at the conclusion of Richard
	Matheson's brilliant novel: "I am legend."

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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 03:53:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

(sigh)...at last, someone who can use the editor.....


-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
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CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:01:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug14.205543.17668@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) writes:
>In article <4746@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>>In article <6841@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>>>      Unfortunately, it seems that a few people out there are obsessed with
>>>  a *very* select number of authors (Koontz/King...), so I figure that I'll 
>>>  liven things up with a few names I consider worth reading.
>>I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you are not under obligation to
>>answer (or read for that matter) any messages on things you don't like to
>>discuss...
>You missed the point.
>Owen Veenstra did NOT say that there should be no more discussion
>of King/Koontz &c. in alt.horror or even that there should be
>less discussion of King/Koontz &c.
>He did say that he'd like to broaden the discussion going on to include 
>a few other authors which are of interest to him.
>What's wrong with that?
>>Freedom of speech?
>Huh? I think you are being overly defensive here. 'Freedom of speech' isn't
>and hopefully never will be an issue in this newsgroup.

Maybe he did not say that King and Koontz should not be discussed, but if
someone says there are a select few people who are "obsessed" with the authors
(which he did), I resent that because there is no way I am not being referred
to here as obsessed. Mostly I just answer what comes up and bring up something
else now and then. I don't have a problem discussing other things besides
King/Koontz, but I don't feel it's obsessive to discuss them on here either
even though they have come up a lot. I'm not talking about the constitution
here, I just don't see why anyone has to call others "obsessed" for wanting
to discuss what they want to discuss. Alex Forrest in "Fatal Attraction" was
obsessed. I am not. Maybe I got too defensive when I wrote that message but do
you see my point?
			Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:37:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug14.091754.17594@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at writes:
>
>Hello everybody,
>since this is my first attempt to join a newsgroup, and I read all
>the articles in the alt.horror group and so much different things
>came to my mind while reading ... I simply will add my opinion
>to some of the issues raised in the discussion, with no references
>to who said what at what time ...

Welcome to alt.horror! Buckle in!

>Stephen King: My fave, although his talent to create really

Mine too!

>By the way, any opinions on Tabitha King? One book, I think "The Trap"
>scared the sh-word out of me.

I have not read this book, how is it and should I read it?

>Clive Barker: His Books of Blood were brilliant; a bunch of great, new
>ideas about what horror can be. The novels I've read (everything
>exept Ima-or-what-it's-called, which isn't out here) seemed to be

I agree. It's called "Imajica" I think (I haven't read that yet either!)

>James Herbert: Somewhat like a pulp writer. Fast, direct, cheap.
>His rat-trilogy was good for some cheap thrills, Moon was too
>sophisticated for his limited writing skills.

I liked "Lair". Still have to read "Rats" (it's on one of my infamous piles of
unread books!

>Robert McCammon: I only read They thirst, and I won't read anymore.
>Seemed to me like a cheap SK-rip-off.

I kind of like McCammon, but I haven't read "They Thirst" so maybe that one is
a KIng rip-off for all I know.

>Question: What about Alien 3? It just came out here, and I'm not sure

Did you happen to read all the messages about it on here (now that I think
about it, they were probably deleted from your account before you even got
it)? Anyway there were lenghty discussions on here about it, and I saw it
before I read the messages and if you didn't like "Aliens" you may not like
"Alien III".
 
>Another question: Bret Easto Ellis' "American Psycho". Nasty book, isn't it?
>Any comments?
>And the last one: Red Dragon by Thomas Harris. Good, relaxing, gorey reading.
>Comments?

Is "American Psycho" nasty? I'd love to get my hands on it!
I have not read "Red Dragon" but I have read "Silence of the Lambs" and it is
very good.

>"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)

A person with my own taste in sig files! Cool!
 


__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
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Subject: Re: answers to laurel
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.welly.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:54:05  -2
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:


> Thanks for the info! I think "Red Dragon" was made into a movie called
> "Manhunter" in the U.S. which I have seen. I liked it but not as much as I

Yes, "Red Dragon" was made in to a film called "Manhunter", that's what it was
called when it was shown over here.(NZ)
From: wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: wlamonac and POE vs. KING
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:49:27 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <uegsPB7w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>
>     Flaming aside, I think your response to the fellow who likes Steve King
>better than Poe was belittling and unfair.  I LOVE Poe, but I also love King
>and realize that these men are from DIFFERENT CENTURIES!  How can you compare
>King's work to Poe's when they are a century apart?  King work may be just as
>viable as Poe's in a hundred years.
>     (And as for the Dave Barry/Mark Twain remark, I think you were a bit harsh
>on that too.  Barry has won a Pulitzer Prize for his columns and is considered
>one of the world's premier humorists.  Maybe if he'd been born a hundred years
>ago.......)
>

Well, the letter is my opinion- I don't find Mr. Barry or Mr. King very
funny at all.  I don't think an author needs to be dead for a hundred years to
be good.  I think PJ O'Rourke and Harry Shearer are very funny and put Barry
to shame.

As for horror writers, Skipp&Spector, David Schow, Ramsay Campbell and
Richard Christian Matheson (all from this century) are much better than King.
(Again- IMHO).  I just got bored with King early on and the constant adulation
of St. Stephen of Bangor on this net starts to get tiresome after a while.
(BTW- I DO skip any article that mentions King in the title, so no flames
along the line of "If you don't like it, don't read it" please.)


		-Bill
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Salem's Lot 2
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:15:14 GMT

In article <harris.713286912@drvax3> harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris) writes:
>I personally think King's Best work was his earlier stuff. For example,
>I thought "salem's Lot" was a wonderful retelling of the "Dracula"
>story. I wonder why King hasn't written a 'sequel' to it? The set-up
>with the man & boy (sorry, their names escape me at the moment) reading
>about the trouble around Salem's Lot in the paper seem to be preparation
>for a sequel.
>

He originally planned to, with the priest being the pivotal character,
but has since said that it's been too long and he no longer has any
desire to write it.  A shame, as it could be a great book.


--
McCreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com     Computers are like Old Testament gods;
Me? Speak for Compaq?  Yeah, right.   lots of rules and no mercy.
"By this time my lungs were aching for air..."               Joseph Campbell
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:08:09 GMT

In article <4836@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>Maybe he did not say that King and Koontz should not be discussed, but if
>someone says there are a select few people who are "obsessed" with the authors
>(which he did), I resent that because there is no way I am not being referred
>to here as obsessed. Mostly I just answer what comes up and bring up something
>else now and then. I don't have a problem discussing other things besides
>King/Koontz, but I don't feel it's obsessive to discuss them on here either
>even though they have come up a lot. I'm not talking about the constitution
>here, I just don't see why anyone has to call others "obsessed" for wanting
>to discuss what they want to discuss. Alex Forrest in "Fatal Attraction" was
>obsessed. I am not. Maybe I got too defensive when I wrote that message but do
>you see my point?
>			Laurel

He didn't say all (or even most) people who discuss King and Koontz 
are 'obsessed' with a select few authors. I know you say that you
took the reference to be a reference to yourself, but I don't really
see why.

'Obsessed with a select few authors' is a fair description of some 
people who post to this newsgroup.

Laurel, you are not one of these people.  The mere fact that you have 
posted articles which show your interest in other authors (e.g. Ellison, 
Harris), demonstrates that you aren't obsessed with King and Koontz.

I'll also add my name to the list of people who recommend Ellison.

Again, on more positive note. I recently read Lisa Tuttle's _Lost Futures_ 
and enjoyed it immensely (I've always enjoyed her short fiction, so 
I wasn't really surprised).

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: moeller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars)
Subject: If you wrote to me about Hellraiser Soundtracks..
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:11:21 GMT

Due to a slight computer stuff up on my end, I lost the address and all
information from a person who wrote to me from Oxford (as far as I can
remember) with information to the Hellraiser II soundtrack.

Could you please mail me again??

-- Mario Moeller /                                           _
                / This is what the KLF are about ------ |/| |_
------------------------------------------------------- |\|/|
m o e l l e r @ m u l l a u n a . c s . m u . o z . a u ______
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:03:57 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug12.194530.18075@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.102522.1807@bvc.edu>, frantz@bvc.edu writes:
> |> Mike, I think the new, uncut version of The Stand simply adds to the story. 
> |>  As far as I know in the new release there was nothing cut.  There are 
> |> additions and strengthening of characters throughout.  One scene in 
> |> particular that I thought did wonders for fleshing out Frannie Goldsmith's 
> |> character is one in which she and her mother have an incredible exchange.  
> |> Really paints Frannie's mother vividly as well as Frannie.  King also adds 
> |> one of the craziest characters (Next to perhaps Annie Wilkes) I've ever 
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> The nut case you are referring to is known as 
> 
>    "THE TRASH-CAN MAN" or Trashy.  He is very much like Annie Wilkes,
> being somewhat criminally insane, and rejected by society.  He differs
> from Annie Wilkes in the fact that he is able to become a part of the
> society that Flagg builds in Las Vegas.  Annie, on the other hand, was
> more connected to the "real world" because she was able to get away with
> things over and over again.
> 
> 
> Jared "Hide the matches" Dahl
> -- 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | Jared Dahl             | I deserve respect for the things I did not do. | 
> |(jdahl@rchland.ibm.com) |                                                |
> | IBM, Rochester         |     -- Vice President Dan "the Man" Quayl(e)   |
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Opinions expressed are mine, not IBM's.

No, I know who the Trashcan Man is.  You're right, Trashy is definitely 
better drawn in the uncut version, but the character I was referring to in 
the original post is the dude who King describes as looking like Elvis (or 
manufacturing "the look" anyway, and I believe it's the Trashcan Man he 
assaults in the hotel room.  What was *his* name?  He doesn't stay with the 
story for long, but what was there was wacko.  Wish I had the book in front 
of me to better define who I meant there.
Andrea @ BVC
> 
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From: af322@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Adams)
Subject: WURM
Reply-To: af322@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Adams)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:46:36 GMT


I don't suppose anyone has read this dandy from 
Mathew J. Costello?  

What did you think?

-K-
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 11:13:46 CDT
From: Jai K. Singh <U11960@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject:    Witch Board....Is it true....????

Does anybody know about witch board.  I've heard using this board
you can call the spirits and this board is available in your
local toy stores.  I've heard stories (supposedly true stories)
of spirits being called using this board and they do come.
If anybody knows more about it, please reply soon 'cause I'm
planning to try it out.

------
Jai
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: What's wrong with IT?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:17:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <pwhite.05oh@bfield.uucp> pwhite@bfield.uucp (Paul White) writes:
>What about MISERY?

Did you like it?  What do you want to talk about with "Misery"?
			Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Witch Board....Is it true....????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:58:44 GMT

In article <92226.111346U11960@uicvm.uic.edu> Jai K. Singh <U11960@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Does anybody know about witch board.  I've heard using this board
>you can call the spirits and this board is available in your
>local toy stores.  I've heard stories (supposedly true stories)
>of spirits being called using this board and they do come.
>If anybody knows more about it, please reply soon 'cause I'm
>planning to try it out.

There's no such thing as spirits.  Save your money! :)
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
From: obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: New horror writers
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:00:54 GMT
Reply-To: obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Just finished reading Carrion Comfort by Dan Simmons. I really loved
it while I was reading it, but felt seriously short-changed at the end.
I felt that Simmons had opened a lot of really interesting plot twists
and then never did a thing with them.

One that comes readily to mind - when Melanie was checking into the
names of the Island Club members that Natalie had given her and she
discovered that the only Joseph Kepler she could find record of was
an astrologer that had been dead a couple of hundred years - then Kepler
turned out to be nothing more than the rest of them. I had been really
looking forward to seeing what he would do with that one - and then
- nothing!

Oh well - what did the rest of you think?


Brenda O'Busek                       |     "Today is only yesterday's
obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil             |      tomorrow"
				     |
Advanced Information Systems         |                      U. Heep
Carderock Division, Naval Surface    |
Warfare Center                       |
From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: RE : Matheson's "I am Legend"
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:20:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.horror
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria


      The following is just a quick word of praise of Matheson's
   comic adaption of his novel "I am Legend".

      The story is excellent.  (This is just for the uninitiated).

      The graphics, while being in Black&White, and all being stroke based,
   are an excellent accompanyment, setting up the mood perfectly.

      Oh yeah : a quick question to those in the know out in alt.horror land :

   " Has 'I am Legend' issue four (4) been released yet in the states ??"

      You see, things take a while to slither from the US to Down Under,
   which is always annoying because you can't tell if the comic has been
   axed, the publishing company died, or there simply late printing the
   comic.

      My advance thanks for anyoune who cares to respond, either to alt.horror,
   or via email.

      My email address :   ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au

                                  Yours,
                                  The Mighty O
                                  (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:00:34 GMT


I think another (fictionalized) account of the nigh Frankenstein and Lord
Ruthven were conceived appears in Paul West's _Lord Byron's Doctor_.  BTW,
I _don't_ think the claim re: Polidori's stealing Byron's vampire story
has been absolutely proven, although the story was originally circulated
under Byron's name.

Piece of trivia:  The "vampire trap" was developed for the theatrical version
of the story, which is one of the literary precursors of _Dracula_.

Cheers -
              Claude

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