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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re:  Books on Disc!
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:37:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep13.204438.12943@maths.tcd.ie> mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
>In article <liam.06vi@durie.amigans.gen.nz>, liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) wrote:
>>In article <1992Sep10.133552.24757@spider.co.uk> ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens) writes:
>>>It's much more difficult to understand screen-based text.  The advantage
>>    A matter of opinion. I find no difference.
>
>Try curling up in bed with one.
>-- 
>Mike Rogers

	Hogwash.  Children curl up with their Nintendos all the
	time nowadays.  Also, consider:  An increasingly large
	proportion of the population finds it difficult to read
	small print texts.  With a good paper white LCD display,
	the user could choose any size font in any typeface she
	desired, with zero eye strain.  There is no need to
	limit ourselves to plain jane ascii on a green screen.

	Also hypertext facilities could provide instant
	access to maps, drawings, notes, that can become very
	tedious in a large printed volume with two or three bookmarks
	keeping your place in the text, your place in the endnotes,
	and the place in the map section.  There are certainly
	good reasons why printed volumes will always be around
	(cheap, simple), but there are also good reasons for
	electronic books.

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: npr & freedom - WALDEN
Organization: master/peon
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:05:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.1479.19009@channel1>, "dale patterson" <dale.patterson@channel1.com> writes:
> 
> FM>From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
> FM>The employees of Walden Books in Georgetown have all been fired.
> 
> Walden Books fired local store employees for refusing to display for 
> sale a calendar that they found racist, homophobic, and sexist. 
> Elsewhere in cyberspace, I found the following message about Walden Books
> refusing to stock a novel because of its content:
> 
> I thought it might be interesting for you all to know that Waldenbooks
> refused to carry my lesbian private eye novel, Everything You Have Is
> Mine, now published in paperback by Ballantine!  Yes, because of the
> content.  Dalton's and other chains are carrying it.  But Waldenbooks &
> Coles (part of WB) won't. 
> 
> I haven't seen the calendar or read the novel, but I sense a double 
> standard.  I may not being doing further business with WaldenBooks.
> 
You shouldn't anyway. (Allright, generally not).  Support your independent
bookseller!  There are so many great small bookstores in most metro
areas that they should be encouraged.  There will always be a Walden's
and/or a B. Dalton in every mall (near the Gap and across from the Mrs.
Fields), but a real bookstore, with (gasp) chairs, kind people and nooks
and crannys should be encouraged.  Now, just last week, 2 B. Dalton's
employees were extremely kind to me (I'm compelled to check their discounted
books) but as a rule, support the little guy.  (Or the HUGE guy, in the case of
Cover to Cover in Denver, biggest/bestest bookstore North of the Pecos
i.e between Chicago and L.A. Chairs, grandfather clocks, 4 floors of
book buyer heaven. )

Jon  jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
===============================
There is some quote by a greek thinker about how he will but food if he
has money left over from buying books.  Anyone know how it goes?  Or 
any good reading quotes appreciated.

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From: thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton)
Subject: Re: Chautauqua ? (Zen & the Art...)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:42:41 GMT

In <1992Sep11.002017.17864@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:


>The word names a town; the town played host to a special kind of
>teaching: learning as a pleasure, the instruction provided largely, if
>not entirely, via popular lectures.
>Travelling medicine shows, except for the mind, except not travelling.

>The shows continue (or: have been reconstituted) in the same old
>stand, and draw many tourists.

I think some shows _were_ travelling, through the Canadian
Prairies and U.S. midwest anyway; I seem to recall a CBC
movie on the subject ("Chataqua Girl" - still not sure about
the spelling).

- Duncan
_____
It's the early r.a.b. reader
that gets the driest Lisa S. Chabot quote.

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From:  sveta@titul.obninsk.su (Shirina Svetlana)
Subject: WANTED: BUY films of children illustrated books to reprint in Russia.
Reply-To: sveta@titul.obninsk.su
Organization: JSC TITUL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:52:52 +0300 

Gentelmens!

Russian publishers "TITUL" will buy films of chidlren illustrated books
to reprint in Russia.

General manager Sergey Kononenko

e-mail: sveta@titul.obninsk.su
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Labor Day Novel Writing Contest?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:18:45 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com


A publishing company up in British Columbia has for several years run a  
"Labor Day Weekend novel-writing contest."  The premise is that  
contestants start writing Friday at midnight and end with a novel on  
Monday at midnight.  The best novel submitted gets published.  You can  
start with some rough notes and maybe an outline.

Anyone know if they're running it this year?

I've always thought that entering and failing to win would add some cachet  
to the lines you can use in a bar.  "I'm an unpublished novelist" has a  
certain wistful, romantic air to it that "computer programmer" doesn't  
quite invoke.

(Someone suggested that a programming tools company do a "Labor Day  
Weekend Application-Writing Contest" as a marketing stunt to prove the  
value of their product.  Sometimes I think that this has already been  
done, and X was the grand prize winner.)

--
Don McGregor | "I need a topic, lots of caffine, and a crash 
drm@esl.com  |  course in semiotics."
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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.150219.13087@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com 
(Fiona Webster) writes:
>
>Hmmm...how 'bout some "Hawaiian" versions of the names of
>rabbers?  Tom Maddoxdox?  Barbara Hlavinvin?  Ah, here's a 
>good one: Mark Tarantoranto.
>
Since the repetition in your examples is of two syllables, then 
shouldn't it be Maddoxaddox and Hlavinavin, as well as Tarantoanto?
Websterebster is easier to work with than Oceanstarceanstar, and Francis 
seems to be out of luck, having but a syllable to his name, poor chap. 
("Muirmuir" sounds like someone from Harvard trying to call a cat.)
.
All of this reminds me of the games we played as children -- Pig 
Latin, and "Banana-anna."  

--Barbara
From: john@slinky.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Lodder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: james joyce
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:36:51 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <9tzn!hl.snow@netcom.com> snow@netcom.com (Tim Szeliga) writes:
> >>  James Joyce's _Lady Chatterly's Lover_
> 
> That's _Finnegans Lover_.
> 
> Tim Szeliga  tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov

Isn't it "Finnegan's Wake" by Joyce and "Lady Chatterly's Lover" by D. H.  
Lawrence? Though the "Fathers and Sons" of that generation may be among  
"The Dead."  Dunno.
From: asa@STL-09SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin on 9000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re:  books to avoid
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:30:36 GMT

|From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
|>, jon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
|>    [Bonus comment:  I recently tried to think up what would be the most
|> marketable book title of all time.  My entry is:  "The Astrological
|> Guide to Weight Loss During Sex for Women Who Fall in Love With One Shit
|> After Another"]   
|
|Very good -- but how do you get that most powerful of paperback
|marketing symbols on the cover -- the swastika?

Some years ago, a writer researched this very topic... He discovered that
(at that time) books about cats, golfing, and Naziism were the best sellers.
So his book was entitled:

GOLFING FOR CATS  <followed by a swastika>

I have a copy at home. In hardback yet. Don't recall the author's name
offhand, though...

I can't even recall what the book was about....

Anybody else out there have this one?

Will
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.180638.25521@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
 
>Fiona posted
>something that pissed off Mike. Fair enough. he should then explode and
>atteck Fiona. He did not. He attacked Dr. Webster. This seemed then and
>still seems on reflection to be a breech of netiquette whch i regret. 

I thought it was clear from the dogged consistency with which I used the
name "Dr. Webster" that I was attacking what I took to be a persona
lurking behind the Ms Courtesy persona. I could have used inverted commas
to make this clearer, I suppose, but that punctuation would likely have
been misread as implying something negative about Dr. Webster's
credentials.

>I'd like to make the further point that I believe that while we may
>flame in public as much as we care to, it is a gross breech of good manners
>to carry on a flame in private.

Just so.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
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From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:43:09 EDT
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo

In article <9SEP199219382042@zeus.tamu.edu> spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:

>The same can be said for the other Beat artists (Jackson
>Pollack becoming one with his paintings and all that rot).

This conflation of the Beats with Pollock seems slightly bizarre
(especially since Pollock was dead by the time the "Beat Generation"
was getting in gear).  I'm sure the Beats admired Pollock, but I'm
equally sure he didn't consider himself one of them, any more than
Williams did.  Do you know something I'm not aware of on this, or are
you just sweeping a lot of fifties/New York/avant-garde types into one
big catch-all category?  I'd like to hear more, either way.

-- 
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
    
                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: jmc's views on left (was Re: The Literary Canon)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 05:23:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:


>Three million Vietnamese left the North for the South
>in the mid-1950s, to get away from Ho Chi Minh's tyranny.

Hey, guess what. Ten thousand Poles left Australia last year to
return to their homeland...

I.


Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:23:42 -0400 
From: Lori Cole <lc1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ... on Miss Manners (cough)
	<1992Sep11.190235.27122@athena.cs.uga.edu>

A Miss Manners for the groves of academe:

DEAR MISS MANNERS:  We're a small department (fewer than 10 faculty) at
a large university.
    Until recently we had a mean, petty, lazy dictator as a boss.  She
(hereafter referred to as X) has been replaced by someone who actually
knows the meaning of scholarship and aademic freedom.
    Our collegial joy would be complete, except that X is still on the
premises, demoted to mere professor.
    As a peer, she is still mean, petty and argumentative, and tries to
bulldoze us in the conferences we must attend whenever there are
decisions to make on the courses we teach in common.  (Some of us become
physically ill after such encounters.)
    The department can't get rid of her because she has tenure, and no
one else will have her.
    We try to be charitable and feel sorry for her, since we know she
probably feels, at some level, the humilitation of her demotion and of
having to stay where everyone despises her.
    However, she got tenure in the old days when it was a mere formality
to apply, and some of us who have been much more productive than X, in
terms of scholarship and teaching, know we may not get tenure under the
current strict criteria.
    Can Miss Manners' gentility work in the groves of academe?  Or are
some people too tough even for Miss Manners?

REPLY: Miss Manners hardly thinks you mean that able-bodied scholars
come reeling out of encounters with a single crank in actual physical
distress.
    Soldiers in the battlefield of ideas must surely be stronger than that.
    This is not to suggest Miss Manners underestimates what a nuisance a
crank can be, and what an endless nuisance a tenured crank can be.
    She only gently reminds you that both the problem and the solution
have their limits.  Etiquette is a wonderful thing, but it does not
instantly zap pests, or Miss Manner would be selling it in spray cans.
    However, it provides many polite ways of shutting them up at
meetings, such as "Thank you, I believe we all understand your point,"
"Let's hear from some other people now," "That is not really the issue
at hand," "Let's try to discuss this on a higher plane," "We're going to
have to cut this short," and "I'm afraid you're out of order."
    Perhaps another such dose of defeat will persuade Professor X to
change her tactics.  If not, it will at least contain her ability to
make others sick.

[This was followed by this next gem, for Quayle-bashers to treasure]

DEAR MISS MANNERS:  With the ever-changing fast pace of the world, has
society accepted baby showers given for unwed mothers?  I've been
invited to several and would like to know your views on this situation.

REPLY:  When Miss Manners last checked, the purpose of a baby shower was
still simply to celebrate an anticipated birth.  She does not recall any
custom of first investigating the circumstances of conception.

Lori Cole
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste)
Subject: Re: Books on Disc!
Reply-To: lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:06:46 GMT

In article <BuCsCI.ILI@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>Naturally, the strain on the eyes from reading a monitor for a prolonged
>period of time comes into effect.  However, we can remedy this by adding a
>print-out feature, for those die-hard fans that don't mind wasting tons of
>paper.  Or maybe print-outs of chapters, if you get tired to read the
>screen.

Then, you'll want to bind the books somehow, because all those loose
pages are a pain. Oh, and maybe "downsize" it to about the size of,
say, a paperback book. And put the title and author on the spine and
cover. And maybe add some cover art. Voila, you've recreated the
art of publishing.

The advantage is clear to see: no cover blurbs!

Lynnette
lynnette@ingres.com
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: RABfest '92: the fourth day.
Summary: a madcap recap
Keywords: But would you want these in _your_ living room?
Date: 16 Sep 1992 00:04:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Susan Gere writes...

[deletia]

>Dorothy Sayers, in the guise of Heidi, read an epistle on 
>"Bed-worthiness;" exactly as it sounds.

[deletia]

+-------------------------------------SubG-----------------------------------+
Is there a literary reference for the coinage of the word "bedworthiness?"

I'd never heard anybody use the word apart from folks who had picked it up from
yours truly (or rather, yours etc.) until the above post.

[pause]

Well, I guess I STILL haven't HEARD anybody use it apart from folks who had...
(fill in the rest yourself).


I think that perhaps I've been using it in a somewhat different context than
the above;  I've jumped to the conclusion that the aforused usage is in
reference to the readability of books in bed, whereas my usage is usually
preceded by "eminently," and in reference to the bedability of toothsome
wenches in the reeds (or words to that effect.  Affect.  Whatever).












Incoherently,
Yours etc.,



SubGenius
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: A Reply to Professor McCarthy's query on films
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:36:24 GMT

INFIDEL signs off:

	John Wojdylo
	Melbourne 
	September 1992

One of the 10,000 Poles who has left WOZ for the sheepish clime of
Victoria? 

						Fido



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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:23:43 GMT
Distribution: usa

James P. H. Fuller writes:
	
	Used encyclopedias.  I picked up an 11th edition of the
	Britannica from an old-books place a couple of years ago for $150. 
	To catch up on black holes and neutron stars no two-year-old
	encyclopedia can possibly be as good as this month's _Scientific
	American_ or the like.  On the other hand, for the humanities the
	... eighty? ninety? ... year old 11th is incomparably better than
	any edition since.  
	


I can't pass up an opportunity to tout the 11th edition of the Britannica.
It was the first encyclopedia with all volumes published simultaneously,
the first with an index, and if memory serves, the first with topics
arranged aplhabetically.  It also had the goal, that must now seem quaint
or presumptuous, to contain all the knowledge available at that time.
It was published in 1911.

A friend of mine was teaching physics classes to non-science majors at
the University of Houston in the '70's.  He would borrow my 11th to
prepare his lectures.  He claimed it was the best, accurate source 
for, not only historical science, but for concise description of
experiments and the issues surrounding the experiments.

When I was reading James Clavell's "Shogun" I looked up "Japan, Early
European Contact" in the 11th.  There in two columns was a synopsis of
the novel, with the names changed.  I did the same when watching an
old movie about the French Deyfus Affair.

In the book "Lucifer's Hammer" by Niven and Pounelle, the protagonist
is preparing for a meteorite hit on the Earth by preserving, among
other books needed for the rebuilding, a copy of the 11th.

The 11th is truly a treasure.



William Sburgfort Smith			| "...there is nothing like ignorance
Intel, SSD				| for fuelling argument."
					|          -- George MacDonald Fraser
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: earendil@wizard.etsu.edu (Allen Garvin)
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Reply-To: earendil@wizard.etsu.edu (Allen Garvin)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:15:07 GMT

Over $1000 dollars for a set of encyclopedias?! Does anyone pay this?
I love my 1933 set which I bought for $20 at an estate sale. Go around to
estate sales and you will often find Britanicca sets from years past at
really low prices. At another such sale I got a the set of Harvard Classics
(50 volumes) for $25. Ihave also gotten some of those very fine looking
books from various Greatest Books Of All Times sets, at very cheap prices.
Go on sunday. Usually dealers start doing major markdowns then. There's no
reason to pay such high prices!

     -Allen Garvin
From: br@bnr.co.uk (Brian Robertson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Chautauqua ? (Zen & the Art...)
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:04:14 GMT
Reply-To: br@bnr.co.uk (Brian Robertson)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

I have nearly finished reading Zen & the Art... and the author 
continually uses the word _chautauqua_ (sp?).  Although I have 
more or less worked out what the word means, could anyone help
me with its origins and use.  

Thanks in advance

Brian

<<Usual disclaimers apply>>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:05:47 GMT

I went shopping for a used Brittanica a number of years ago (Feynman had
told us too many tales about its value as a research tool.)   Stagehouse II,
the toniest of Boulder's used bookstores, had an 11th.  Wanted $1100 for it!
I had heard of its virtues, but wanted a reference work, not an historical
monument.  I later got a 1972 edition at the Aion Bookstore for about $200,
and have in fact found it occasionally useful.  Distracting, though - I 
_always_ bump into two or three articles I've just gotta read on the way to
the originally intended one.
			Chuck Smythe


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au
Subject: Re: ... on Miss Manners (cough)
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.183136.2917@athena.mit.edu> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
(Keith Morgan) writes:
[extensive deletia]

>	The column in today's Boston Globe from the aggrieved newly
>weds who had not received gifts from  12 of the 55 people attending
>their wedding is priceless, both in their whiny sanctimoniousness and
>in Miss Manner's reply.
>
>Keith
>--

Would you mind posting it?  Would they mind, do you think?
 
regardless,
Andrew

now hit d
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Pleasant Afternoon's Reading
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:04:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <matthew.716377177@munna> matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
>
>One recent afternoon I chanced upon a novel by a relatively unknown 
>Sierra Leone author Arnold Dunga and found it a thoroughly enjoyable
>read. The prose evoked for me images bathed in the light of the
>setting sun, hues beveiled by crisp spring rays, blue sky, water
>lapping onto a beach, a yacht listing over wavelets whipped up by the
>rising afternoon breeze...


Well, he can't have been writing about Sierra Leone, then.  Lepers, yes;
yachts, no.  Lots of nice beaches, though.  What's the name of the book?




-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle