From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: Blame the victim
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In article <1992Dec16.181332.4155@mail.cornell.edu> Mark Lipsits,
ml12@cornell.edu writes:
In article <1992Dec16.181332.4155@mail.cornell.edu> Mark Lipsits,
ml12@cornell.edu writes:
>
Subject: Re: Sure...Blame the Victim
From: Mark Lipsits, ml12@cornell.edu
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:06:10 GMT

For those who do not read soc.culture.soviet -- these articles were
posted earlier this week.

I've been seriously flamed for posting a follow-up article to the
President Ter-Petrossian letter.  I am sure the remark was arrogant, but
I have perfect reasons for it.  
   I am absolutely convinced that the Karabach affair was started by
Armenians.  No, I am not talking about Armenians in general.  It would be
very dumb to assume that your average working man, who have enough
domestic worries would all of the sudden go out on the streets and demand
that Karabach is annexed to Armenia ASAP.   No, here I am speaking about
Armenian leaders.  The Karabach conflict was nothing more than a
political intrigue.  And anyone would agree with me that whoever were the
people who started this were smart enough to be able to predict the
cosequences.  So, weren't the Armenians who lived in Azerbaijan virtually
sacrificed?  And in whose interests?  In the interests of those who died
in that pointless war?  Or in the interests of those who lack the food
and medication now?  And then Mr. Davidian, (who doesn't even have enough
intelligence to conduct a discussion without personally insulting his
opponent with obscenities) is trying to tell me that it was done in the
interests of the enire nation!  And don't give me that historical or
statistical b.s. !  I have heard it from all the angles.  You might as
well demand the restoration of Rech Pospolitaya, or better yet, why don't
we give some of the parts of the Texas or California heavily populated by
Latinos back to Mexico.  And don't tell me about the genocide.  First, it
is very questionable against whom the genocide took place, and second,
and most important is that it all is nothing but an international
vendetta!  And because of people like you, Mr. Davidian & Co. this
vendetta will not end soon.  
You are willing to argue that people who lived in Karabach weren't "happy
enough".  I am sure they are much happier now, in the middle of war!  And
how about Armenians who lived in Baku, who were forced to leave their
home.  And, I know that those people took Baku for their home!  Let me
tell you a story about an Armenian family, who were my friends.  They
were forced to leave Baku, were they lived happily for two generations,
and were they spoke Armenian in their home and to their friends.  They
tried to go to Erevan, but they were virtually kicked out of Armenia, so
they had to move to some Russian provincial town.  I am sure they are
much happier now! (NOT)  And if you think this is a sole case, you are
wrong, Mr. Davidian & Co. !  
  My point is that when you read somrhting, read between the lines, too! 
Pres. Ter-Petrossian is not asking for humanitarian help as much as he is
asking "to put pressure"  on his opponents.  If Mr. Ter-Petrossian cared
for his people, he would figure out a way to start peace talks, instead
of "putting pressure".  And guess whom thatpressure will make angry, and
guess how many more lives will be lost!  I cannot believe that the
President of Armenia is stupid enough not to predict things like that!
I believe I should have made my poin clear in the first place, my
appologies!
And responding to Mr. Davidian' s remark about Red Army's genocide
against Armenia, all I have to say is LOOK AROUND.  At least you got to
keep your alphabet, unlike Azeris or some other nations on the other end
of the Caspian sea!  And you try to tell me that Armenian culture was
suppressed during the "communist era".  I am afraid that you are not too
familiar with the modern history of Armenia.  According to my sourses,
Armenia had a lot of talented poets, writers and even film-makers over
these years!  
      Armenia is not the only former Soviet Republic in the state of
economic collapse right now --- the entire former SU is!  And you are not
worse off than Azeris!  After all, it has Russian Federation backing it
up.  And there are  means to get the food and medication into the
country.  Direct flights from L.A. sound familiar?  So, Mr.
Ter-Petrossian was playing the "humanitarian note"  to get that
"pressure" on Azeris.  Or maybe to allow more arms into the Republic?
     I am still not clear about the interests of the President of
Armenia.  My best guess is that he is a fanatic, who thinks that he cares
about Armenia, but he forgets that nation is made up of people.  And he
obviously forgets that there are other nations in the world, who are also
made up of people.
    You know why there are all these killings that are going on right
now?  It is all because of people who teach extreme nationalism!  They
teach their children to hate!  From the childhood some of the children
are tought that their nationality is THE BEST.  They taught to hate
Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Oriental, just for their religion or the way they
look!  And you, Mr. Davidian is an extreme nationalist, as I can tell. 
People like you are guilty of the deaths of others for blindly following
fanatic leaders!
    I would be more than happy if you prove my insults to be false
accusations!  I try not to be prejudice here.  But I see what I see, and
all I see is that while Armenia is suffering just like every other
Republic, the point is tried to be made that Armenia is suffering the
worst.  And while all the former SU Republics need humanitarian aid, the
President of Armenia uses the excuse to put the pressure on his opponents.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
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Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***