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From: dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Run DMC, New School, ETC...
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:54:28 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

I'd have to say that I agree that Darryl, Joseph, and Jason were probably
my choice for the New School Innovators... although they really werent
exactly the first people to kick hardcore... I just think they were the 
first to be promoted successfully... I think Kurtis Blow was hurtin for
money after his 20 or so albums he put out that didnt sell like he 
expected (*GRIN*).... But there were some pretty good pre-Run DMC hardcore
acts... I think some of Flash's shit could be considered hardcore, and I
have a tape of Kool DJ Herc and the Herculords from about 81 or so that
could rival most hardcore hip hop today, I just think that at first, 
the producers were afraid that hardcore wouldnt sell, or that it would
'intimidate' the audience, who knows????? And Perhaps it was the nationwide
commercialization of breakdancing that lead to the New School Movement,
for maybe it was the first time that people were realizing that the rap
audience wasn't confined to just a few major cities...

I'd say that I think the biggest year for HIP HOP as we know it would 
probably have been 1986... it was in that year that BDP, PE, and many
other made their breakthroughs....

Phat Shouts To The Groove Continuum

DJ Revolution
Believe Dat'
From: v134n2mc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Summary: I think you want alt.asshole
Keywords: sucks
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct7.010509.29999@pellns.alleg.edu>, leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu (Jason Lee) writes...
>Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!
   Ok, you're cool!!  Sorry, but this ain't alt.rip.on.other.people's.views
maybe you should open up your mind.  Don't go off thinkin' I'm just pushin' rap
though.  It is possible to like more than one style of music.  On my cd shelf,
Public Enemy, House of Pain, and Beastie Boys, who play their own instruments,
sets next to Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, U2, Alice in Chains, Nine Inch Nails.   	
  	Later,
		Dave
From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:01:52 GMT
Subject: Re: CMW & Bushwick Bill
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap


 Yes Gee, i am *very* interested, would ya mind sending me a copy???

 Peace to everyone in the D.I.P (Michele, 2ll's, GavinM, Fedde, ATB, DaveP)



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 ** smokes the shit i'll kick her to the curb..... Red Hot Lover Tone        **  **                                                                          **  ** O.G Original Gumby !                            You Down with D.I.P ?    **  ******************************************************************************
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Jack Reviews XXXII:  _Greatest Misses_ by Public Enemy
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:15:32 GMT
	<1992Oct1.090150.1917@wam.umd.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: mary@wam.umd.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 09:01:50 GMT

mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:
|Of course...when you put "rebel bass" in quotes..it should be

|"Rebel Base"

|as the sample is most definately from Star Wars near the end where the
|Deathstar is about to fire on the Base and the computer says..."Rebel Base
|approaching" or hell, something like that...

I hadn't thought about it, but I think you're right...  Damn!

|Incidently it was about the 5th or 6th time I heard the song that I noticed
|that thng was even in there!

It's a nice effect and pretty subtle.  Check out the album version of
"Shut Em Down" for another neat effect (Flav & crowd).
--
Peace.
          "Until the lions have their historians,
           tales of the hunted will always glorify the hunter."
                        - African proverb
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: U14864@uicvm.uic.edu (Tyrone Ellison)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Info on Percee P?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:26:41 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I heard a few cuts on the radio from Percee P, one of which was entitled "Lung
Collapsin' Lyrics", and that boy has MAADD skills... he comes off better on his
solo stuff than he did on Lord Finesse's album.  My question is does anyone
have any info on a Percee P album?  Thanx...

PS:  Just WHO IN THE WORLD IS MA DUKES????...

5,000... The Minister of Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner...
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep29.200723.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu writes...
>Today there are a lot of rappers out there who are fake.  There are 
>alot of rappers who are not rappers who are just cashing om on a 
>black mans idea.  Fake rappers like Vannila Ice, Marky Mark, and alot 
>of others.  Real rap is when it comes from the heart not from some producer.

you mean like kriss kross? 
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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: The Remix Thread.
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:58:03 GMT

In article <BvHCps.BuB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>[previous material deleted]
>-- 
>- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
>- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel", PRINCE, "O-+->",         -
>******* Coming in 1993: The long-awaited 12" single, "RAP IS AN ART" ********
>****************** ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions. *******************

I will buy most 12"'s by artists I like or if I heard a mix that I like with no
problem.  The twelves to really get me excited though are either songs that
weren't that great on the album, IMO, or remixes done by people that have a
good track record.  An example to illustrate both of these is LL's, 'Jingling
Baby,' where I thought the album version was terrible and it was remixed by
Marley Marl.  It just had DOPE written all over it.  It was like, the cut was
so bad on the album, a remix just *had* to help it, plus almost every remix
Marley did for another artists at the time slammed.  When a track is already
soooo good, I hesitate when listening to a remix 'cause I just can't see how
they can improve on it, unless they just remake the whole cut, ala A Tribe
Called Quest.
                                               T-Dub
                                               SHYGUY productions

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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: 6 Minutes
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:19:08 GMT

In article <19qm3tINNepp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bmm2@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian M. Murray) writes:
>
>I have been looking for the song "Six Minutes" by Dougie Fresh and Slick 
>Rick.  Does anyone know if it is out on tape?  I would appreciate any infor-
>mation.

Could you be looking for, 'The Show,' from Doug E. Fresh, that features the
infamous MC Ricky D (Slick Rick) line, "Six Minutes, Doug E. Fresh You're On,"
line?  The tape would be Doug E. Fresh & The Get Fresh Crews' 1987 release, "Oh 
My God!," which featured a remix of, 'The Show.'

                                                  T-Dub
                                                  SHYGUY productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: mcw4765@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.C. Walker)
Subject: Re: Double XX Posse
Originator: mcw4765@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.032524.16188@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Speaking of Big Beat Records, has anyone seen The Double XX Posse's debut
>album, "Put Ya Boots On?"  I saw it on wax in Canada, but haven't seen it here
>yet; at least not in my area.  I own two of their 12"'s and thought they were
>OK.  Anyone hear this album yet and have any opinions?
>
>
>                                           T-Dub
>                                           SHYGUY productions
>
My roomate has the album on wax. "Not gonna be able to..." is one of the
dopest tracks on it. The album, in general, is pretty dope. Some of the
tracks sound the same though.

-Dj Rec C
Out!


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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: vote
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:14:17 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <92272.110530U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>P. Ialamanna writes:
>>Actually, I think that we'd be better off with Bush...
>My question is HOW IN THE HELL CAN WE BE BETTER OFF WITH BUSH???

>We, in the Hip Hop Nation, can't afford 4 more years under the reign of 
>Reagan/Bush/whoever else... We need change NOW... even if it is a vote for 
>Clinton... After all, a LITTLE change is better than no change at all...

>One more note:  Just before the Rodney King beating was aired worldwide,
>Bush praised DARRYL GATES on what a wonderful job he was doing as LA's Chief 
>of Police... think about it...

>5,000... The Minista of Rage...

Nothing to answer here. I just thought this bore repeating.

Peace...
-- 
- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel", PRINCE, "O-+->",         -
***********************and BRP's debut 12" single, "Rap Is An Art"***********
***********************ON TAPE from BRP Independent**************************
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: b-boys & girls, Kool Herc
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:07:49 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

z3kpw@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
:
|Hey - I've been wondering about the term "b-boys/b-girls" for a long time.
|I've heard that the term stands for "banji beats" or something like that;
|what's that mean?  

B=break, according to some people.

:
|I saw an old Bobby Jimmy and the Critters EP with Arabian Prince as one
|of the members...pretty funny considering how he's all Mr. Gangsta now.

I wouldn't read too much into that. Remember, they're all from the same
Priority/Ruthless stable. As an aside, I kinda liked that Bobby Jimmy
track where he parodied East Coast Rap style.

|Speaking of drastic image changes, anyone remember the World Class 
|Wreckin Cru with Dr. Dre and Yella?  On their _Rapped in Romance_ album,
|they're dressed in these yellow and red lame' suits.  Humor humor.

Or Ice Cube and Sir Jinx in CIA, trying to shout louder than the Beastie
Boys? "Ice Cube in the back and I'm the posse leader/Love my woofer and
hate my tweeter". Not quite so humorous as the Wreckin Cru but still a
far cry from where they are today. You gotta start somewhere I guess...

Tx. [selective]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C    )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Still lookin' for...
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep28.225010.6298@athena.mit.edu>, agoyo1@dobbs.MIT.EDU (Acee Agoyo) writes...
>Somebody using Flash's account writes:

>Kool G Rap, and an assortment of others are the same.  Except for Poor Righteous teachers
>and maybe King Sun is anybody really true NOI or 5% doctrine.  Ice Cube, I guess, comes
>close.   But like you said, as long as its dope, you'll listen to it or buy it.  Some people
>just wanna hear rap and that's it.  Some people want a message and a role model.  Someone
>like Grand Puba is a rapper, that's it.

just a note- last time i heard cube say something about NOI, he said that
he wasn't so sure about all their teachings, but he liked them as a 
force for black revolution, and that was why he says NOI is the place for black
folx.
From: fedde@Madrid.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: LOW bass CDs
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:04:06 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: madrid.docs.uu.se

atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.092621.24919@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>, kadric@faw.uni-ulm.de (Lilijan Kadric) writes:

>-Nemesis (anyone heard of them)

Yes. They are old-school and wack :)

By the way...while talking about wack stuff...anyone understand why they
call NUBIAN M.O.B rap? It's really not that at all. I saw them on MTV Raps 
and by misstake bought one of their albums as it was in the hip-hop shelves
where I get my records. On the cover the guy looks like Price Akeem and
I thought it would be something millitant just to find out they are 
softy-softy-mammas-litle-boy-wack! 
I will have to stop getting rekkids in a hurry!

Peace out to Gumby, AD, Chad D, Amil...hmm...by the way...peace out to ya'll!

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: what is all this fake shit
From: wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:56:37 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

No I am not a racist.  I just think if when you rao you should rap 
about something that is true and from the heart.  Not all this bull
shit that some of these rappers are throwing out.  And dont give me any of 
this shit about Capitalism.  It is still fake rap and sounds like shit
I just think it is a shame because we have all these rappers out
there trying to spread the word about peace and all these fake rappers
are getting all the headlines.
From: gavinm@spider.co.uk (Gavin McCallum)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: New Ice T
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:44:21 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.


I was told that Ice T has put back the release date of his new lp
until after the presidential election,anyone know more about this?.
Also,I thought the new Cube lp was to be titled "X"?.Just picked up
Da Lench Mob lp and it slam's,B-real poppin up all over the the
Place!.What's the 411 on the new PE video anyone seen it?,which
concert was used?.

Peace

GAV
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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:30:36 GMT

[previous text deleted]

Yo, what up K-M?

   Yes, Kriss Kross do have tutors, though one of them is kind of hoody and
never does any work; usually finds his way out of it (this from a summer issue
of The Hip Hop Connection, HHC, a English Hip Hop Mag; come on by and pick it
up sometime).  None respect to Kriss Kross, ABC, and the likes.  Not for their
not writing their own lyrics (The Real Roxanne doesn't either, but, she's booty
too, huh?), not for their not producing their own beats (a lot of hip hoppers
don't or shouldn't ie. Kane, Master Ace, etc.), but for the styles they are
doing and for being programmed robots for their producers.  It seems these kids
have no real talent.  The producers write the lyrics, make the beats, say wear
this, act like this, etc, etc, etc.  It's like a combination.  Even somebody
like the Real Roxanne, who had Chubb Rock write her lyrics and produce the 
beats, had input on what she wanted her songs to be about, how she wanted
everything to come of, etc.  Besides what the parents take, I wonder how much
money the writer/producers like Michael Bivins gets, especially since they did
everything but get out there and recite.  Respect to Chi-Ali for being
Chi-Ali, who should be around for a bit since he has a persona of his own.

                                                    T-Dub
                                                    SHYGUY productions
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Where's Young MC? (obligatory flame enclosed)
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:07:31 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <Bv3CMt.3t6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
$In article <1992Sep24.170151.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> syawanar@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
$>Does anyone know what Young MC is up to these days?
$>
$>His first two albums were wild but now where is he gone?
$
$You mean you CARE?  That little punk went out like Sugar Hill and deserves
$a bootstomp in his tiny penis.  Can we move on to the REAL hip hop now?
$

Awww wait a minute now.  That single "I got know how" was moderately
cool.  At least the beats was.  Who'd he bite that track from?

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
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From: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley)
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:37:10 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu


In article <BvFHFG.CEH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.200723.1@vax.sonoma.edu> wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> >Today there are a lot of rappers out there who are fake.  There are 
> >alot of rappers who are not rappers who are just cashing om on a 
> >black mans idea.  Fake rappers like Vannila Ice, Marky Mark, and alot 
> >of others.  Real rap is when it comes from the heart not from some producer.
> 
> Is it coincidence or are you racist when you list only whites as fake rappers?
> Also, what's wrong with cashing in on a black man's idea? 
> I ain't racist but black people cash in on white's ideas so what's the big
> deal? It's called CAPITALISM. By the way, I find that a lot of rap today is
> about selling records, in otherwards, just like all the other types of music.
> -- 

Well, your right - there are other rappers that can be considered "fake" 
rappers. We've had discussions about them on this net since last year. 

Now for my $0.02:

Anyone who hasn't grown up in hip-hop culture may not fully understand it.
I tend to separate this culture/art from the business side of music, where
lawyers, producers, and other people come in. It's a shame that those who may
not grow up with the culture but have the connections and business pull can 
make $$$ while the rest of us who just hang out and freestyle rap with the
fellaz can only dream about success. I've also heard that a lot of record 
companies buy in to what seems to be selling and they dress their rappers, 
tell them what to write about, and use them in order to give the company 
more notoriety and fame. Many of us that consider ourselves "true" hip - hop
fans make it a point to diss music from these record companies and support
those that promote black awareness, the "spirit of hip-hop" that reflects the
street origin, etc. Folx like PE, BDP, Run DMC, A.T.C.Q., Yo Yo, Mc Lyte, etc
are example of those who not only sell records, but gain respect at the 
same time. Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, etc... sell records but getz no
respect. 

In fact, we can date this discussion back a few months ago, when we were 
distinquishing rap with hip hop. While rap could refer to the business of
talking over a beat to make music, hip-hop encompasses the whole "culture" of
black experiences - i.e. Hip hop doesn't necessarily make big bucks, but its
something most of us not only like to listen to, we like to DO it as well. 

The subject of racism and blacks cashing in on whites ideas probably belongs
in another newsgroup, although rappers listening to white or jew management
as to what to do and when is an example of this. In other words...

"Stick to underground funk, keep the crossover!" - EPMD 

PEACE...    

	==AD 

PS feel free to email me (or post) if your opinion differs 

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: LOW bass CDs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:26:01 GMT

In article <_+2-AV=@engin.umich.edu> atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley) writes:

>If all else fails, get either a Roland R-8 drum machine with an 808 card or
>find yourself a used Roland TR-808. :) If you are into big money, get a 
>good sampler d:-) 

I got a Roland Boss DR-660 over the summer for about $400, and it's loaded
from the top.  It features the complete TR808, TR909 (a house music standard),
several different natural drum kit settings, and a whole load of sounds that
would make anyone go nuts.  It's also fully programmable and features a built-
in reverb and chorus effects.  I did some experimental stuff with it over the
summer, and it has seemingly limitless possibilities.  I'd recommend it to
anyone looking to make some dope tracks.




-- 
- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel", PRINCE, "O-+->",         -
***********************and BRP's debut 12" single, "Rap Is An Art"***********
***********************ON TAPE from BRP Independent**************************
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:49:33 GMT

In article <BvE80r.AMx@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   ) writes:>In article <1992Sep29.200723.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu writes...
>>Today there are a lot of rappers out there who are fake.  There are 
>>alot of rappers who are not rappers who are just cashing om on a 
>>black mans idea.  Fake rappers like Vannila Ice, Marky Mark, and alot 
>>of others.  Real rap is when it comes from the heart not from some producer.
>
>you mean like kriss kross? 

I agree, sort of.  I think they are just a fad.  The little 13 year old kids
trying to sound like they are grown men thing will get played out soon.  First
of all, they write none of their lyrics, nor produce any of their beats.  If I
am wrong about either of those 2 statements, PLEASE correct me.  I have gotten
into this discussion with one of my boys and concluded that maybe the dark
skin one will be around for a while because it sort of seems like it comes 
naturally to him, but the other one will be outtie wuth the quickness.  He
looks like he is trying too hard to be something he is not.  And its kind of
fucked up because while they are doing what they are doing now, they are not
going to school, and have no tutors(I think I read that in the Source).  Will
there money be managed well enough for them to live comfortably for the rest
of their lives?  And as far as their lyrics go, I think the guy who writes
their lyrics hopefully realizes that his lyrics are good coming out of kids,
but dude is like 19, 20 years old.  He said that if he knew "Jump" was gonna
be so big, he would have rapped it himself.  That shit never would have sold
coming out the mouth of a 19 year old man!

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions

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