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From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Length of shows
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:49:31 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>> 6. LENGTH--I think I read that the minimum length of the shows is now
>>    10.5 minutes.  Perhaps, there are visual or musical reasons for this
>>    but I would prefer the old length of 11.5-13.0 minutes and see fewer
>>    corps (say, 10) in the finals.  Is the length of the finals conected
>>    with money or is there historical evidence that drumcorps activity
>>    benefits from a 12 corps final?  Afterall, there are quarterfinals
>>    and semifinals so there cant be too many surprises about the rankings
>>    of the corps below the top six or seven.
>
>The time limit is shorter because of the space available on CDs.  12 corps will
>fit on 2 CDs, the top 24 on 4.  What a horror if we fill up those discs
>with long recordings, then have to put out half a disc for the 1 or 2 corps
>left out!
>
Actually, the maximum show length was 13 minutes up until the beginning of the
1986 season.  From 1986 on, the show was shortened to 11 1/2 minutes maximum 
time.  DCI didn't move to CD's until 1988 (or 89) so the CD length could not 
have been the reason.

DCI used to have 12 Finalists even when shows were 13 minutes long.  That
didn't seem to make a difference.  I think DCI changed the maximum time
because the it was getting difficult for corps to maintain the high degree
of performance for the longer time.  There was an old Contest Guild
that addressed this issue, but I don't remember the specific reasons cited.
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps Sandwich)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.170907.17186@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>In article <BttCBp.B11@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>
>Exactly my point! If you can play Tympani and mallets without distorting
>your concert snare technique, why should playing in drum corps screw it up?
>As you say, all are different, but rudimental playing is the only one that 
>you claim ruins your technique. Why is this? You can play mallets, tympani,
>and concert snare simultaneoulsly with no problems, but as soon as you play
>a flam drag your style goes all to hell? I'm a little confused...
>
>--Brad
My point is that to have rudimantal drumming not become detrimental to
your orchestral playing, you have to practice them both for near equal
amounts of time.  This is not difficult in the winter when corps practice
one or two weekends a month, but during all days and on tour when you can
practice for 10+ hrs a day it's impossible to find the time.  I've been
practicing about 3-4 hrs a day to be able to march somewhere this year,
and after my first orchestra rehearsal it sounded like I hadn't been doing
any practicing, because I have only been working on the techniques that
will help me make a corp.  I could keep up my orchestal sound if I practiced
it, but time management says I can't.  I agree that there doesn't have to
be a detrimental effect of rudimental playing on your orchestral sound, but
that most people who aren't music majors don't have the time to keep both
techniques up simultaniously (let alone the fact that some might want to
keep up their techniques on keyboard percussion and timpani).

--David



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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Fees for Top Corps
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:01:00 GMT

In article <BtpGvw.CLv@wpi.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>I looked in the faxs, but I couldn't find this topic covered.  What are
>the fees for marching Cadets and other top corps.  I really would like
>to know about Cadets since I would like to march them but if I don't have
>the cash I'm not going to audition.

$1200.00, last I heard. Better start saving. :-) Most of the other corps
are in the range of $500.00 - 600.00. If you really want to go to Garfield,
though, don't let a few hundred bucks stand in your way. Go to the first 
camp, and maybe they will work with you on the cash. Remember to take plane
flights into account if it's to far to drive. The number that I have for
them is (201) 487-5797.

--Brad
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps S
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:09:36 GMT

fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>Other pieces that come to mind are:

Palookaville - 1991 Bluecoats
(Shoot, I *KNOW* there are more, I just can't think of any right now.)


>>I felt that Prof. Cambell's little introduction to the percussion section
>>in the PBS broadcast to be very informative and interesting.  I suspect that
>>drum corps is fairly close to the cutting edge of percussion techniques,
>>but I could be wrong (drum corps is probably not on the cutting edge when
>>it comes to keyboard instruments).

I don't know about that.  There are a lot of very creative things
happening in today's pits.  The last time I saw a professional marimba
player, I wasn't impressed at all.  That performace couldn't hold a
candle to some of the things I've seen at I&E competition.

Later,
Bob
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From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Far-out VK!!!
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:53:50 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergrad Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH
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eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>I think that a great idea for a show would be for the Velvet Knights taking
>another "Magical Mystery Tour," but this time tour the solar system.  How?
>Holst's "The Planets."  Not to start another flame war and debate over what
>constitutes "real" ..., but I think that based on this past year VK is moving
>toward more challenging music and The Planets would allow them to continue
>this while allowing for some fun.  Just think of all of the "little green men,"
>Star Trek humor, ...  And hey, if you thought that land shark attacks were 
>great, wait till you see the beast chomping on planets.

	At Drum Major Camp, we did a drill starting out with the 
opening of "Little Shop of Horrors" which segued into "Mars" very
dramatically (Formations: A moon and a rocket colliding) which
then 'exploded' (literally) into "Mean Green Mother From Outer
Space". :)

	"Mars" was most excellent to march to and the first time 
I marched 5/4 time. :)
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Entertainment and Effectiveness III
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:13:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep3.005018.1@vax1.umkc.edu> eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>Okay, I give up...  What is so darn special about a stupid company front?!?
>Let's face it, the things are soooooo obvious when they happen almost to the
>point of being anticlimatic (at least for me).  I know that I am going to 
>insult several readers now, but ...  I personally believe that the only reason
>that company fronts are still used is that it is the only time when the general
>audience knows when to clap.  They are also one of the few times that the
>drill is highly accessible to average people.  Let's face it, with some of the
>drill currently being displayed (Star, Cadets, Blue Knights) you REALLY have
>to watch and remember what pictures and motions have been made.  How many 
>"Zingalli inverting eights" have most people caught?  Probably none.  But,
>form a mostly straight line the length of the field and march slowly towards
>the audience and the stadium comes down.

I think basically you are correct.  A company front is an "obvious" effect.
The Wall Street Journal (yes, you didn't misread) calls the company front
"a momentary union of sight and sound."

I cannot speak for drill design in the past, but consider the drills of
today and imagine yourself spectating.  You see a lot of freeform, rifle
tosses, subtle and complicated music (in general, seemingly random moves
going with this music), and all of a sudden, WHAM!  There is a company front
(seemingly out of nowhere) with glorious music being played.  Seconds later,
the front disappears and the show goes on.  The key for me is the contrast
the company front affords.

I think that is a fantastic effect, roughly analogous to all the air
molecules in a room being on one side of a room at the same time.
"Why is a company front so effective?" is like asking why a particular
piece of music is effective.  Some people will answer, "Because I know
when to clap," and other people discover other reasons why its so
appealing.

-- Donald
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From: jerger@d0msu7.fnal.gov (Steve Jerger, Michigan State / D0 (708) 840-8367)
Subject: Re: Duct Tape (try this posting thang again)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: jerger@d0msu7.fnal.gov
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Distribution:  world
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:10:57 GMT

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Cadets '86 closer
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:49:28 GMT

<MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>I agree with the above assessment of the '86 Cadets....the closer totally
>destroyed the program.  I wonder how many in this group remember the piece
>that the Cadets originally had as a closer that year...
> 
>  Bernstein's "Prelude, Fugue and Riffs"  (the closer used in 1991)
> 
>Rumor was that the chart was so difficult that it had to be scrapped in
>mid-season, hence the ugly closer (which was still Bernstein, though).

Not mid-season.  They scrapped it in mid-spring.  (Middle of April if I
remember correctly.)  

>Did anyone in the group see Cadets perform PF&R in 1986 before they chucked
>it?

I heard a tape of it in early April and it was *real* rough.  A friend
of mine from my Suncoast days who was aging out with Garfield said they
they almost lost some horn players over the difficulty of the closer.

All I remember of the tape was the riffs.  And boy were there a lot of
them.

Later,
Bob

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From: mccrorey@convex.com (Martin McCrorey)
Subject: dci
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:03:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please tell me
1.  Places and scores of corps at DCI
2.  Where is DCI in 1993
3.  When are shows scheduled in Dallas for 1993

Thanks!
DMcCrorey
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Fees for Top Corps
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:22:43 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BtpGvw.CLv@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
> I looked in the faxs, but I couldn't find this topic covered.  What are
> the fees for marching Cadets and other top corps.  I really would like
> to know about Cadets since I would like to march them but if I don't have
> the cash I'm not going to audition.


A friend of mine marched Cadets this year and it was around $1200.  You also
have to figure on living expenses since most top corps require you to move near
their 'home base' in January for weekly rehearsal.  $tar is the cheapest at
$200.  Most others are $500 to $600, plus preseason living expenses, camp fees,
etc.   There are also travel expenses for going to auditions over Thanksgiving.

If you play an instrument in high demand (ie a good mellophone or F. Horn
player) a corp may try to arrange the financial situation (this is the time
when you are best friends with the corp director!) so that it is less
burdensome.  BD offers to help you find roomies and a job during the long
winter of preseason rehearsals.

The best and most up to date info would be from the corps themselves...send
each you are interested in a letter with your address and your mailbox will
soon explode with recruiting info! I have the addresses, ask if you need them.

Best of luck to you!

Brooke
Colts '89-'93
Mellos Rule!!!
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From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Subject: Re: POPCORN
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:38:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.091548.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>To Willard, my respond to your remarks TYPED IN ALL CAPS, was not meant
>to be shouting.  I used all caps so as to have my remarks standout in
>all the extracted comments.  Geez.....
>
>I'll have to get back to you on your comments......I really thought this
>news network was suppose to provide an opportunity for people to express
>their opinions about particular subjects and be able to 'hear' others
>views.  I didn't realize people would be psycho-analyzing your statements.
>Get real, asking the definition of true fan.  It's probably just semantics
>and I should have used 'hardcore fan' instead.  The problem is you missed
>the *essence* of what I was saying or trying to say.  So, I guess that explains
>why you could never accept input from the fans for performances that have
>entertainment value - you don't comprehend the intangible. 
>
>Streuer_D (pronouced 'Destroyer')

THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!
I'm glad that I am not the only one who would
like to have a discussion without someone
criticizing my personal opinions.

**Krista**
From: gwr@tantalum.eds.com (George Rapp)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Crossmen lore
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:01:04 GMT
Reply-To: gwr@edsr.eds.com
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: EDS Research

Can someone explain the story about the caped figure with 
the mask who stands in the visitors'-side aisle during the 
Crossmen's performances?  (At least the Semis and Finals 
performances this year ...)  He left about halfway through 
the semifinal performance, but he stuck around for the 
whole finals performance.  It must have helped - the 
Crossmen moved up  a notch in the finals!

Who gets to play him (her? 8^) every year?  Is it a staff 
member, or a corps alumnus (alumna), or the biggest 
contributor to the booster club that year, or ...?

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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Rumors
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:18:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.035145.9235@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jgriffin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jennifer B Griffin) writes:
> 
> 	Is it too early to start rumors about what corps will
> be playing next year?  Everyone on the net seems to be s
> speculating about potential music, how about the real thing?
> 
	I talked to one of my friends in the Blue Knights and he said that they
will probably base their entire show on Rodeo or Candide, probably Rodeo.  He
also said they were planning on having around 75 horns and a full rifle and
sabre line.

	I also checked out their ageout concert after finals.  I'm not sure
exactly how many people aged out, but I noticed that only one contrabass was
missing and apparently none of the tenor line had aged out.  But, the snare 
and bass lines seemed to be hit a little hard, there were two ageouts in the
bassline and four in the snares.

						Charles Holt
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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: Fees for Top Corps
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:31:24 GMT

In article <BtpGvw.CLv@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
> I looked in the faxs, but I couldn't find this topic covered.  What are
> the fees for marching Cadets and other top corps.  I really would like
> to know about Cadets since I would like to march them but if I don't have
> the cash I'm not going to audition.

David,

I think the fees for the Cadets are in the area of $500, plus or minus
a couple of hunderd....but then again, I'm not sure.   Also, you
don't go there and simply audition.  You'll go for a few camps, see
if you like things, and then they eventually assign spots when you
start learning drill.

BTW - good luck and I hope you choose the Cadets!

Tom
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Garfield '83
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: What next? (Re: Archive of this newsgroup ...)
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:34:17 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug29.175052.18883@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:
>
>>These messages are now available via anonymous ftp from the host
>>"oglala.stanford.edu" (IP address: 36.190.0.226).  The file to
>>retrieve is called "pub/alt.drumcorps".  The size of the file is
>>2,542,227 bytes.
>
>First of all, thanks for providing this service, it is much appreciated.
>
>Yes, and once again, thank you.  It's amazing how wrong my preseason
>predictions were.  Looking over some of the older articles was quite
>amusing.
>

I just snagged a copy of it (I assume weekends from 9AM to 5PM are OK!).

I have only read through the first hundred or so articles, and there
seems to have been a big flame war about bands and drum corps (I only
vaguely remember it).  I hope the band people have not left this
newsgroup!  I would very much like to hear what's going on in the
marching band world.  Please speak up if you are a marching band person!

So what can we talk about next, now that DCI Finals is over?  Here
are some suggested topics:
1. The upcoming marching band season (someone already mentioned this
   before).  Specifically, I have a few questions.  How does Bands
   of America work, anyway?  Can any band go to Nationals?  How does
   the judging work?  Has anyone actually gone to Nationals?  Why
   are they held indoors (I assume it's because it's cold in Dec.)?
2. Brass, percussion and color guard techniques.  What is the cutting
   edge in these areas?  What advances are being made technology-wise
   and technique-wise?  How about arranging?
3. Judging.  This subject has been kind of beaten to death recently,
   but my personal opinion is that we have only scratched the surface
   of the philosophy and intent of the current (and past) systems.
4. First-hand experiences of corps members from this past season.  What
   are some of the interesting "behind-the-scenes" things that went on
   this year?
5. Winter Guard.  I seem to recall asking about this before.  How is
   WGI organized?  About how many groups are there across N. America?
   I recently got an issue of my (free) subscription to WGI Focus,
   but the newsletter doesn't seem to have much information.

-- Donald
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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: VKs latest frontier
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:37:36 GMT

Several corps have played Mars and/or Jupiter, especially in the 70's:
I seem to remember Troopers and Cavaliers (pre-75?), Blue Stars ('77),
then SCV ('80).  I know there were more... 

Cam
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Impressions--DCI Finalsdir
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:49:36 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <92241.141906JPN@psuvm.psu.edu>, JPN@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> This is a record of impressions from attendance at my second DCI finals;
> but the last time I went was 1982 in Montreal.  I dont fall in the drum
> 
> 1. SEATS--we had seats at about the 5 yard line in the lower deck.  Not
>    the best, but most of the things being done could be appreciated.  I
>    did  miss some of the VK gimics.  I enjoyed sitting with other people
>    who were all long-term drumcorps fans.  However, they were not happy
>    with the seats.  Several had ordered tickets in September (we
>    ordered in November) and expected to get better seats than they did.

Most of the premium seats are reserved before the public gets a chance.  Any
major contributor to DCI is given 25 premium seats.  Most of the top 25 corps
also have a reserve block to be sold to parents and a few to members.  With the 
big 20th Anniversary celebration, tickets went double-fast.
You actually got a seat near the front view!  The seating for the 17-25
competing corps was in X and Y (the endzone in front of the Expo building).  I
didn't mind so much tho....the night before I sat 50 yard line, 4th row....just
to hear the incredible sounds coming from the horns! 
This year only VK added things to their final performance, therefore, it is
worth considering the purchase of Semifinal tickets, and sit exactly where you
want!


>     Also, a drum solo should be a required part of the competition.

I believe drum solo IS still required, however they have become shorter and
more integrated within a production....it is no longer a separate entity.

> 6. LENGTH--I think I read that the minimum length of the shows is now
>    10.5 minutes.  Perhaps, there are visual or musical reasons for this
>    but I would prefer the old length of 11.5-13.0 minutes and see fewer
>    corps (say, 10) in the finals.  Is the length of the finals conected
>    with money or is there historical evidence that drumcorps activity
>    benefits from a 12 corps final?  Afterall, there are quarterfinals
>    and semifinals so there cant be too many surprises about the rankings
>    of the corps below the top six or seven.

The time limit is shorter because of the space available on CDs.  12 corps will
fit on 2 CDs, the top 24 on 4.  What a horror if we fill up those discs
with long recordings, then have to put out half a disc for the 1 or 2 corps
left out!




>  I hope some corps will continue to play music that is
> familar to the audience, that some corps will occasionally stand and
> blow, and that some corps will experiment with new, different and
> exciting visual treats.

Ditto!

Brooke
Colts '89-'93
Mellos Rule!!!
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