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From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Stop Grabbing/Just Say No/Cute Things....
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:55:05 GMT
Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control


About a year and half ago, I took my little boy (7YO) to an air show at
McChord AFB in Tacoma.  Just as we exited a C-5 and stepped down on the
concrete ramp, a low level fly-by of an F-16 kicked in AB5 (Afterburner
Level 5) as it pulled up and turned at the end of the runway (about
6000' away).  At the time the afterburner kicked in, the F16 was
exactly stern on to us, and stayed in that aspect for 3 or 4 seconds.
You really have to experience AB5 to appreciate the broad spectrum high
level noise that one literally feels from that position.  However, my
little boy candidly voiced it this way, in all innocence:  "Ohhhhh,
Daddy!  That makes my penis tingle!" This severely shocked a matron a
few feet away from who stared at him, gave me a, "Humph, well, I
never..." and stalked off.  I hope my explanation why we should keep
such comments private, i.e., in the family or among close friends came
through my stifled laughter.  He's shy sometimes anyway, and he picked
up on her negative reaction and was very sensitive that he had said
something "bad".  I THINK I reassured him, but you never know.  I could
tell he was suffering consternation at being disapproved of by her for
just expressing his honest feelings.

I at least managed not to respond, "No, lady, you never have, and you
never will!"  Would set a bad example for the boy, doncha' see...:-)

harryb@phred
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:45:21 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
> In article <1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
> >
> >In article <dlhanson.26.726174156@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com 
> >(David L. Hanson) writes:
> >> This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago (not
> >> by me). I believe that it contains valuable information to help all parents
> >> to protect their family from the State. 
> >
> >[amazing work of paranoia omitted]
> >
> >*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
> >so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
> >his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
> >they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!
> >
> >It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Not when you hear about things like that woman who got her kid taken away
because she was breastfeeding it.

> No, it doesn't.  I have nothing to hide, but I DO believe in EXERCISING MY 
> RIGHTS....
...
> I am one of those people who do not believe in giving up my rights, or waiving
> them, just to show that I have "nothing to hide".  One is not "hiding" behind
> the fourth, or any amendment, when one exercises his rights.  That person is
> being VERY SMART.

I often wonder how long it will be before refusing permission for a search
will be construed as "probably cause"....

Craig
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bkb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (brian.bebeau)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:15:52 GMT

In article <1icr67INNajb@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>You must have missed the fun part of O'Hare!  There is an underground
>tunnel that connects one of the terminals (C?) to the main airport that
>is wonderful--different colored neon lights run the extent of the ceiling and
>turn off and on to music.  The walls are decorated with different
>colored back-lit panels that create a shimmering effect.  You can ride
>the length of the tunnel on two moving walkways or walk.  
>

This would be the new United terminal. It opened a few years ago. It used to 
have some rather weird new-age type music playing but so many people 
compalined it gave them the creeps they changed it to something more
mainstream.

>Trivia question:  Why is O'Hare abbreiviated in the airline business
>as ORD?
>
>Trivia answer:  Because the airport was originally in a small town
>outside of Chicago known as Apple Orchard (or Old Orchard, or something
>like that). 

Well, no. The airport itself (not the town) was called Orchard Park,
until they decided in the '50s I believe to rename it after WWII hero
Edward "Butch" O'Hare. Old Orchard shopping center is northeast a ways
on Old Skokie Highway.


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Pre-marital blood test
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:04:49 GMT


One couple I know was required in the state where they were married to be
tested for Aids and I think Syphillis is a standard part of the test.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Cute things they say (26 mo.)
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:31:38 GMT

Our 26-month-old son Kurt uses "hot" as his word for
both hot and cold temperature extremes.  And when
he encountered his first snowfall, he didn't know
the word for it.   Instead, he exclaimed "Hot . . . Dirt!"

For a more mortifyingly funny incident, he was at his grandparents
overnight, and his grandma noticed him attempting to count
the designs around the edge of his cereal bowl "Doo, tee, tee, tee . . ."
So, knowing his vocabulary is quite limited, she helpfully
counted the designs repeatedly for him.  On about her seventh
time through, Kurt looked up and calmly stated "shuttup".
Grandma was floored and Grandpa had to struggle to conceal
his amusement.  I've never heard him use that word, myself.

Though Kurt doesn't talk as much as other kids his age in
his daycare, he sure learned how to say "Duck E. Cheeze!" 
after one single visit to that establishment last week!
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: RE spanking alternatives
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 11:34:03 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:10:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz
Alberti, sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu writes:
>I "spanked" them for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>wrapped around his neck!  

Just so you all don't think I'm totally irresponsible, we did only have a
half tree set up on a high end table, with just a few bells hanging down
so they could reach up and jangle them.  The only lights they were able
to reach was the cord going down to the plug-in behind the end table. 
They could only reach the cord by practically squeezing their bodies
behind the end table (which of course they did).  Just when you thought
you'd baby-proofed enough...

Thanks for all the feedback on spanking alternatives!  At least now I
feel like I have options in dealing with them.  

--Theresa Jarosz Alberti
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?

By all means take in some tapes.  The worst thing that could happen is you
end up yelling to your partner to SHUT THE DAMN THING OFF!  :-)  Better to
have them and not use them than to wish you had brought them.

We brough in a Sony Discman and an assortment of CDs.  Jan listened to some
of them, but it turned out not to be a big deal one way or another.  (On the
other hand, she never did go into labor, but that's a different story.)

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:24:25 GMT

Before I had any children I was one of those people who believed that
children should be taught by their parents just to leave certain things
alone - in our home and in other people's.

Now that I have 4 children, I would put the toilet out of reach if
I could.

Jan
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:00:05 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

Laura Floom writes:
>It really is a tough issue. Just 3 years ago, when Jeffrey was born, it was
>so ingrained in us all to put the babies on their tummys (if the side didnt
>work), and now they have changed it. I think I will try putting Emma (due in
>2 months) on her back, but it will seem so odd. 

From my point of view, the risk of spitting up and choking is lots higher
than the risk of SIDS.  This is my rationale: all babies spit up and
choke.  Lower-income, smoking families are at the highest risk for SIDS. 
(I don't recall all the risk factors, but I do recall thinking that our
family doesn't have any of them)

So, when I considered the matter, I decided it was best to stick with the
tummy position, since I was more worried about choking than SIDS.  (Note:
Jordan slept on his side for about 1.5 months, since he was broke his
right shoulder being born.)

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:39:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com


My 7 month old is also a squirmer and along with toys that
he sees only at the changing table, he has a mirror there.
(actually, his closet doors are mirrored and he has to
turn his head to see it, but he can still lay flat.)
He really likes to both see himself in the mirror and
see me, then look at me directly, then look at me 
back in the mirror.

When he is really squirmy, I lay him on the floor where
he has a better view of the mirror.  

Valerie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:24:37 GMT

In article <1icf9vINN7uq@gap.caltech.edu> ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil) writes:
>There is a small waiting area with a kid-size picnic table and lots of
>Duplo blocks in the Phoenix airport (near the Southwest gates).  I haven't
>seen any kid-friendly waiting areas at LAX.

No. me neither. But we were there yesterday picking up Grandma. There are
so many exciting things to do in an airport, it seems unnecessary to have
the same old toys they see all the time. We spent 15 minutes waiting for a 747
to come in. Jeffrey loved watching all the little cars zoom around, and then 
finally seeing the 747 come in, with the nose coming fairly close to the 
window. Meanwhile at another gate, his Grandma's plane landed 10 minutes
early, oops. 

A couple of months ago we went to Miami, via Atlanta, and Jeffrey is still
talking about the train they have there (they have a subway to connect the
terminals). 

Airports can be fun! I had never bother to watch a plane come in. It really
is interesting.

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:47:34 GMT
Summary: airports can be fun to visit

To add to some posters' comments about airports being fun:

They are!  When I was a kid, we'd sometimes go to the local
airport just for fun, just to see the planes take off and land,
and hang out up on the observation deck (our local airport has one,
gives one a birdseye view of everything and has those binocular
"machines" to look around that used to cost a dime when I was a kid).

My nephews like going there too.....not just to see planes but
the escalators, baggage return, little cars and luggage "trains"
zipping around, and even the vending machines and the little TVs
on the chairs you can watch.

It's a neat/different thing to do with the kids (our local airport is
still little and neat, nothing like Newark or O'Hare which may
be too big and too crowded or too expensive to park to be "neat" to visit).
Of course, not all airports have "cool" public observation decks either.

Christine
due in 14 days or thereabouts.....
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:49:59 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.think.com

In article <1993Jan6.182220.28511@ttinews.tti.com> reid@tti.com (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!) writes:
>This kind of thing will happen
>anywhere that people surrender too much of their freedom to the
>government in exchange for some putative collective benefit.  It's the
>nature of government.  It's happening here in the US, and still we have
>people (right here on the net, in fact) who advocate MORE government
>intervention in the parenting of children.

Here on the net?!? Oh, the horror of it. :-)

Reid, since you've been reading misc.kids for more than five minutes
surely you've noticed that we have *every* kind of people here. Your
remark shows the same kind of let's-all-think-alike-now that you rail
against when the writer disagrees with you. 

-- 
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        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Cute Things They Do (2.8 y.o.)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 19:00:44 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University


I was in a rush this morning and before I left I asked
my daughter whether she wanted to give me a kiss goodbye.
Clearly annoyed, she answered, " I am busy,  I HAVE to work",
then she went to her room picked up her coloring books 
and crayons and started her job. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:31:09 GMT

In article <1ii39dINN61n@lindy.Stanford.EDU> rabbit@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna) writes:
>
>This follow-up is in response to toddler table manners:
>*************************
>Both my boys, when they reached about 15 months, started to throw their
>food on the floor.  They both ignored any admonisions to desist.  Since
>I don't consider the dinner table a place for confrontation, we decided to
>ignore the behavior.  The deliberate throwing and dropping of food, in
>both cases, stopped after a few meals.  It may be coincidence, or it
>just wasn't much fun to drop food if it never got any attention.  Even
>before they could talk, we tried to make conversation that had nothing
>to do with their eating.  I think many battles over dinner are for
>attention.  My boys are not twins.
>
>
>Aleta Hanna
>Maps and Records
>Stanford University
>rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
>************************* 

Well, I agree with Aleta, but as an example of YMMV, its impossible
to ignore dropped food in our house.  We have four small, fuzzy
(really cute) dogs who go into a state of extactic excitement
over dropped food.  Of course, if I had major heartburn over a 
bit of dropped food, I`d take the dogs away from under the table 
at meal times.  Actually, I kind of enjoy Melinda (now 7 months)
dropping a bit of food -- I think she's trying to feed the
dogs deliberately now.  The dogs are about to decide that Melinda
is a pack member after all & quite tolerable.  It would be different,
I guess, if a large amount of food was involved.  But I generally
don't give the baby more food at one time than I care to have
dropped.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Pinata Control
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:15:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.181435.26282@ast.saic.com> hyler@ast.saic.com writes:
>My son and I have been busy planning his 6th birthday party.
>One thing he has asked to have at his party is a pinata.  And I agreed
>before I thought too much about it.
   {pinata tales of grief deleted]
>
>So, how have you handled this event, successfully?

Our company Christmas party ALWAYS involves a pinata, and each year when
it's all over and the cuts are healing and the bruises are fading and the
poked eyes can see normally again, I have to ask:  Why?  And why do *I* 
always get stuck on the committee in charge??  :-)

I think the word "pinata" means "ritual to turn nice normal children into
obnoxious, greedy cretins."  We tried putting tape around the perimiter of
the "whacking" area to give the "whacker" more room and eliminate the chance
of someone getting "whacked", but the older kids pretended they were "deaf"
when we told them to get behind the line.  We told them to take off their shoes
but they secretly put them back on when we weren't looking so they'd get better
traction and could step on the littler kids (to get them out of the way or
release candy holds) better.  And one little girl had her pinafore full of just
about every available piece of candy so the other kids started grabbing it from
her and jeering and she dropped it all and ran screaming.  (I don't know if
she's ever been found.)  :-)

In short, I HATE those things.  Make goodie bags and give each kid one, and
if they fight over those it won't be anywhere NEAR as bad and you'll need
fewer ambulances.  My opinion only - but I've just seen too many kids get
hurt.

-Nancy Colucci, who while posting this got a call from the school with
                a request to pick up sick child.  Later ...
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:01:50 GMT

In article <1icr67INNajb@gap.caltech.edu>
hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
 
>In article <16B4D7452.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>>In article <16B4D5F7F.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
>>BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
>>
>You must have missed the fun part of O'Hare!  There is an underground
>tunnel that connects one of the terminals (C?) to the main airport that
>is wonderful--different colored neon lights run the extent of the ceiling and
>turn off and on to music.  The walls are decorated with different
>colored back-lit panels that create a shimmering effect.  You can ride
>the length of the tunnel on two moving walkways or walk.
>
Sue,
I remember that area.  It is neat.
The problem for us was that the flight was always
supposed to leave in the next half hour.  We were afraid to leave the gate
for more than a couple of minutes.  It would have been different had they
said "You're going to be here for HOURS.  Go find something fun to do for
a couple of hours and then check back with us."
From: prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Diaper question.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 07:46:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
Keywords: Huggies, Ultratrim

Folks:
	Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,

Prabhu
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: bags under eyes=allergies
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:55:08 GMT

Among allergists, etc.  dark rings under the eyes is known as "the look" - one
big sign that a kid has allergies (my 35m old son has lots).  This is very
specific, and NOT puffy eyes, although that IS sometimes an allergic reaction.
Lots of coughing with no specific illness esp. at night may also be a
first sign of asthma (may not, too).  So if your kid has allergies and does
that cough, at least be on the lookout.