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From: dwp@cactus.org (Deborah Platt)
Subject: Re: That high-pitched killer shrill
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:19:16 GMT


Our toddler learned to make this shriek from another kid.  She already
had good verbal skills, so as soon as she started to do it, I would
tell her to say "I don't like that" when she feels that way, and that
people would understand her better than if she made sounds.  Believe
it or not, after doing this for about a week and a half, she dropped
the sound altogether.  Of course we got to hear a lot of "I don't like
that", but at least this doesn't split eardrums.

Deb Platt
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Deb Platt
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From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Teaching kids to read
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:53:11 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1993Jan21.222945.6742@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>I'd just like to make a (non-agressive) plug for the approach taken in Waldorf
>education of not teaching children to read before the age of around seven, 
>approximately when the child looses his or her baby teeth.  I won't go into
>the deatails, but in practice it works out very well.  The children learn to
>read better and they develop a life long love of reading.  By the sixth or
>seventh grade, typical Waldorf classes are reading adult literature, doing 
>Shakespeare, etc.
>

Heavens. I think I'd have _burst_ if I'd had to wait until I was 7 to
read.  I learned at 4 (I'm not sure how).   I worked out at school
that their readers were nothing to do with reading, and skimmed them
to please the teacher, while getting proper books out the library.  I
was a real book snob too - by age 7 I refused everything that didn't
say "age 8 plus" on the cover.  Which isn't to say that the Waldorf
approach isn't a good approach for some kids, I'm sure it is. 
 
(of course things are different here: school starts at 5 and I was
still 4.5 when I went, which is seen as quite normal)
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:44:28 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: classy.jpl.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan22.020602.531435@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer) writes:
>
>People have different body chemistries and what is enjoyable to one person
>may be completely unpleasant to another.  However, I believe that there is
>some drug that will be pleasant to each person, so pleasant that having once
>experienced the drug, that person will have a problem with craving that
>drug for the rest of his or her life.  For some it is alcohol, for others 

There is some truth in what you are saying but only if the person has an
addictive personality. I knew someone who had a major problem with coke.
I heard stories from te first (of several) rehabs she went thru. Basically,
the patients were strongly encouraged to give up all other drugs (alcohol
being the biggie) because it is common of addictive personalities to trade
one drug for another. They didnt particarly address tabacco, so that by the
end of the rehab most of the people were practically chain smokers. I have
heard that most AA meetings are one big cloud of smoke.

The counselor from the rehab said that addictive personalities tend to be
genetic. The woman had two kids (early teen and mid teen), and was encouraged
to seek counseling for both kids. It was felt that it is possible to determine
if a child exhibits the traits that make them suseptible to addictions. Her
daughter was considered a low risk, and her son a high risk. 

I think we all know people who wouldnt dream of touching alcohol because they
grew up with an alcoholic, and was afraid of turning out the same way. I
think if someone had a history of drug addiction (or alcohol) in thier family
it would be well worth making sure the children realize there is a genetic
predispostion. In anycase addiction is something that all kids need to 
understand, but like all other evils-of-drugs stories, kids may not necessarily
think it applies to them.

On the other hand, many of us did have pleasant experienses with drugs and
did not get addicted, or even close.  This wouldnt work as a blanket 
argument, because teens are going to realize that. 


Laura Floom
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:53:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

This is a bit off the subject.  I apologise.

A friend mentioned to me that she read of a device that can be 
put into fillings in a child's teeth that has a small transmitter.
If the kid is ever kidnapped the police would be able to use the
transmitter to track him/her down.  Has anybody heard of such a 
thing?  

I am not at all convinced that such a device would be a good idea.
What do you all think?

-- 

                                                --  Michal
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Impressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Cute Things
Keywords: cute
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:14:09 GMT



  You know you're a mom when your 23-month old son
  insists that YOU zip up your coat before going out the
  door!  Sigh...  No matter how cold, I just plop on my
  coat and go flapping out the door (I'm a Californian
  on leave in NYC).

  Also the other day, my mother-in-law locked herself in
  the bathroom so that she could clean it.  My husband
  didn't want her to clean anything since we've already
  cleaned it to our specs.  But she refused to come out.
  Meanwhile we had spaghetti and I dumped some Parmesan
  cheese on mine (and didn't let my son since he would
  have just wasted it).  As soon as my m-i-l comes out
  of the bathroom, Tony grabs the Comet cleanser and
  runs to the table and tries to dump it on my m-i-l's
  food yelling in Spanish, "I put cheese in her food!"
  Luckily in my m-i-l's zeal to clean, she had used up
  all the Comet!
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:19:40 GMT
	<TIGGER.93Jan22194001@satyr.Sylvan.COM> <1jqlom$af6@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1jqlom$af6@agate.berkeley.edu> stolcke@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) writes:

   When I asked my doctor during my postnatal check-up for the cervical
   cap she said I couldn't use it while I was breastfeeding - I don't
   remember the reason ( I think it had something to do with the change
   of the cervix during breastfeeding).
   I only read in one book (don't remember which - it was almost three years
   ago!) that the cervical cap wasn't o.k. while breastfeeding - all the others
   recommended it as one option!
   Any other experiences?

   (Btw, I tried the mini-pill but had also the feeling that my milk-supply droppedthe moment I started taking it - I ended up with the diaphram and was - am -
   very satisfied with it.)


That is the first *I've* heard of the cap not being recommended for
breastfeeding moms. My midwife (with many breastfeeding moms!) has
many women on it.

It has definitely worked well for me in preventing pregnancy -
whenever we have had sex w/o birth control, we've made another Sylvan
that month.  Seems our fertility rate is very high. I did get pregnant
once with a diaphragm. A diaphragm also isn't good to use if you are
gaining or losing weight - the fit needs to be checked every (10?) lbs
of weight change, whereas the actual cervix doesn't change much in
size. Matter of fact, my cervical cap is the same size as it was after
the birth of my first (when I first got it).

YMMV

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salimk@batpa7.bnr.ca (Salim Khan)
Subject: Re: What kind of car do you drive/3 kids
Reply-To: salimk@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc. Norcross, Georgia
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:29:16 GMT

In article <STEVE.93Jan21152438@styx.crc.ricoh.COM>, steve@crc.ricoh.COM
(Stephen R. Savitzky) writes:
> In article <SKATZ.93Jan21124023@kariba.bbn.com> skatz@bbn.com (Susan
Katz) writes:
>      What kind of car do you drive with 3 kids--all of whom are in car seats?
>      There will be 2 Fisher Price carseats and a century infant seat
>      (rear facing).  Other car concerns are price and repair record.
> 
> No question -- a mini-van.  Ours is a Mercury Villager, but just about
> anything would do as long as it has two back seats.  This lets you
> seat 7 people -- in your case, 2 parents, 3 kids, and 2 grandparents
> or friends.  (In our case it's 2 kids and 3 grandparents, but the
> principle's the same.)
> --

Agree with it. We bought a Grand Voyager (mini van) last year, and my
wife said the other day, "i don't know how we did without it". Very
comfortable drive, middle seat has built in child seats, make the job so
easier for kids to hop in themselves and buckle up. Also, "non seat"
kids can use it a booster and use the regular car seat. No mecchanical
trouble so far, though, we also bought the extended 5yr/60,000 miles
every thing warrany. I also have taken the back seat out to haul my yard
and other bigger stuff. We like it a lot. Hope it helps.


Salim Khan      

" I do believe that my employer, has nothing to do with, nor
shares, my opinions."

Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:21:52 -0500 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sesame Street toy (was Re: Fun stuff with kids)
	<1ji7jpINNfka@gap.caltech.edu>
Distribution: na

On 20-Jan-93 in Re: Sesame Street toy (was ..
user Susan Hough@seismo.gps.c writes:
>Our Poppin Pals has a telephone-style dial for Grover that seems to defy
>anybody under the age of 30.  I've always wondered if we might have gotten
>a slightly defective model. Or is this an archaic version of the toy?
>My 26 month old now can manage all of the rest
>but brings the toy to me for Grover, saying, "Wanna go ding!"

Our dial is OK, but the light switch next to it requires perfect
alignment to work.  Mickey wasn't consistenly able to do this one until
months after he mastered the others.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: Job-sharing/Mommy_Track_&_Technical_Professionals
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:22:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.205648.14588@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mma@bellcore.com () writes:
>Bellcore is just beginning to offer job_sharing;
>However it was offered in view of downsizing and
>cutting costs; not to address the childcare issue.
>I doubt that when presented in this fashion that it 
>is going to be successful  :-(
>

Rule #1 for changing the workplace:  Always pitch the change in how it will
be better for the company!

For example:  you want to job share so you can have more time with your
children.  

You could go to your boss and state your case and how much happier you'd be,
but your boss has a deadline, three people breathing down her neck over
some disaster, and probably doesn't really care about your happiness since
she's had 4 miscarriages and 5 divorces and has sacrificed her life for the
company.  Like she's really going to change the status quo for you.

Or, you could look at the requirements of your job and find a way in which
having two people working part time would benefit the boss (more hands during
a crunch, no distractions on job X by jobs Y and Z, etc.).  You offer more
work for the same pay.  POOF!  You're job sharing!

It would be nice to live in a world where family values are more important
than the bottom line.  We don't.  So our job is to prove how attention to
family values improves the bottom line.  It's all a sales pitch.  And I know
how horrified some of us are of the thought that we're salesmen.  But we can
learn.  After all, it's for our kids.

I don't do a lot of things right, but I've succeeded so far in this one area.
I remember a woman who heard about my 4 day work week and wanted to do the
same.  She went to our boss (he said yes to me) and said, "Judy's doing it,
I want to to."  He said no.  When I was working two days a week from home
telecommuting a collegue went to our boss (different boss) and said, "Judy's
doing it."  He said no.

For both of these cases, I went in with ways which proved the change would
be more productive for me, help out a need in the company, and in some ways
make my boss' work easier to do.  People will make changes that will help them
more quickly than changes that will help you.  Figure our how what will help
you will help them too.  
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Parent Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:23:33 GMT
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division

In article <1993Jan26.145959.23182@bmers95.bnr.ca> leewon@bnr.ca (Lee Won) writes:
>
>In article <30375@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|> What bothered me the most about the post saying 'choose kids or work,
>|> but you can't have both', is that the post was directed towards
>|> _mothers_, not fathers.  It's widely accepted, somehow, that a sick
>|> child means MOM stays home from work--that it's her responsibility to
>|> pick up a sick child at school, to stay home with the child when the
>|> child is ill, etc. and so on.    As long as people continue to accept
>|> that idea as a basic premise, people are going to be shortchanged:
>|> moms, dads, and children.
>|> 
The thing that really bugged me is that I filled out a paper when my son
started school that listed my husband first and his work number first and
mine second.  He was listed as the person to contact in case of an emergency
(he's closer).  They still call me first when he's sick.  I appreciated being
called but I'm always annoyed that they call me first.
Why do they do that???  Just because I'm the Mom???  How discriminatory!
By the way, my husband and I both share in the sick child nursing.  When
Dan had chicken pox, he missed four days of school, two with Mom, two with
Dad.  Alternating also helps me because instead of being out two days in a
row, I was out every other day and didn't lose as much continuity.

>|> --
>|> --Beth Weiss
>|> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
>
>Hear!! Hear!! I hearby nominate that we change the name of
>this thread to 'is there a parent track for technical professional'.
>
>By the way, I returned to work 4 months ago at 3 days per week.
>Its been working out well, but I still feel that going part time
>does put one's career development on 'hold' for a while. 
>
>... Lee

It definitely affects your career (and it really sucks that it has to be
that way).  There must be an answer somewhere.

Denise
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fussy Infant Eater needs Recipes
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:00:23 GMT
	<1993Jan26.022320.18648@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
	<1993Jan26.025011.25478@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1993Jan26.025011.25478@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> wheaton@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Mike Wheaton) writes:
 > I am in need for recipes for Baby Food for a 8-month-old fussy eater.  He
 > doesn't seem to like many of the "brand-name" baby foods because most of the
 > meat-veggie combinations contain carrots.  

One of Lindsay's favorite foods is a Chinese dish called "jook"
(rhymes with "book").  I've seen it called "congee" as well.
Basically, it's rice cooked much longer than it has any business being
cooked.  It ends up being sort of the consistency of oatmeal, or it
can be served a bit watered down and it's like a thick soup.  You can
add just about anything you can think of to it for flavoring...
ground/shredded/sliced meat, fish, vegetables, ginger, garlic, etc.
For Lindsay, so far we have generally been keeping it pretty bland,
but recently she's started showing an interest in spicier foods so
maybe we'll start adding ginger or something.

Anyway, the general recipe is to just put some rice and about three
times as much water as you would normally use in a saucepan, bring it
to a boil, and then simmmer it until it becomes thick.  In the late
stages you can throw in ground meat (uncooked) or vegetables or
whatever, and let it cook during the remaining simmering time.  If
you're going to add spices, you may want to add them earlier.

We usually make a batch and then freeze it in an ice-cube tray, then
pop the cubes into a freezer bag and microwave two cubes at mealtime.

One of the nice things for Lindsay is that the jook is sticky enough
that pretty early on she could manage to scoop up a spoonful and get
it to her mouth without dropping it, even though on the way to her
mouth the spoon would be upside-down or vertical or whatever.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: How to deal with kids when they lie
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:31:56 GMT

I bragged to my wife about this great community: the misc.kids newsgroup. 
And now, she has asked me for help.

One of her sisters (she has a lot) is having problems with her oldest son
who is 7 years old.  She has caught him lying a few times, usually in
instances where he did something wrong and denies it (I've already pointed
out to my wife that this would make him a good politician :-) ).  I was
hoping to get some recommendations for a book or maybe a stimulating
discussion on how to handle this situation.  I've already looked at the faq
list for this newsgroup and I didn't find one that seems to apply here.

Regards,

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.jobs.misc
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:19:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.061356.14467@fuug.fi>
an6814@anon.penet.fi writes:
 
>I'd like to work part-time in order to spend more time with my infant,
(much deleted)
 
I have 4 children (ages 9, 7, 4, and 4).  I understand your need to have
more time for the child but still have a career.  It is possible to
work part time.  I have some suggestions.  I also have an article on
Telecommuting (Dec 1992 Home Office Computing).  It gives some hints about
getting your company to let you work part time.  If you can't get ahold
of it, e-mail me your home address (I won't tell, promise!!)  and I will
mail a copy to you.
 
Some companies have parttime programs.  They allow you to work anywhere from
10 - 36 hours a week at a percentage of your base rate - ie, you still get
your same hourly rate.  You should ask your human resource person.
 
It has been my experience that a company gets more work out of a part time
professional than they would from a full time employee in the same number
of hours.  You have to be more organized and since you are only at work
a certain number of hours, you are more motivated to get the job done.
Also, there is a certain sense of having to 'prove' yourself.  You have to
show them that parttime works.
 
There are some drawbacks.  I didn't get sick or vacation time when I worked
part time (I made up the hours I missed), and sitters are slightly more
expensive by the hour when your child goes part time.
 
I don't think that working parttime will be a serious, long term disavantage
for your career.  You will advance more slowly than your counterparts, but
you have a more important career now!!
 
If you can't work parttime, you might want to consider working a flex schedule.
I would love to work 4 9 hour days (10 hours including lunch) and 4 hours at
home.  That would give me three days at home.  It would help alot.
 
I *try* to keep my hours low while working full time.  It doesn't always work,
but if I am really efficient and organized, I can do an excellent job in
a normal 40 hour week, so that I am home with the kids as much as possible.
Overtime often means eating at my desk, rather than staying an additional hour.
 
If you do decide to keep working fulltime, GET A HOUSEKEEPER!!!!  Free up
some of your time at home.  Ours comes in once a week for a couple of hours
(it's through a  housekeeping service), and it is wonderful!!!  Now if only
I could get someone to do the laundry :-)
 
Good luck.  It's about time that corporations realized that dedicated,
valuable employees are also dedicated parents.
 
Teresa
From: ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breathing difficulty in 2yo
Keywords: breathing, allergy
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:25:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1993Jan25.153708.17691@nlm.nih.gov> suresh@nls2.nlm.nih.gov 
(Suresh Srinivasan) writes:
*
*Hello all,
*
*Our 2yo daughter has had trouble breathing
*for the past 2 mos.  The symptoms appear all
*day but are much worse at night.  She seems
*congested and needs to breathe through her
*mouth.  She does not appear to have a cold.
*There is little or no mucus in her nose so
*sucking it out doesn't help.  Her breathing
*at night is very labored and is heart-rending
*to watch.  Needless to say, she does not
*sleep well and neither do we.
*
*We reluctantly put her on antibiotics to
*rule out a sinus infection.  Our doctor said
*it may be an allergy.  We feel that it is
*serious and needs attention and wondered if
*any of you have had a similar experience
*and/or have words of advice.
*
*Thanks in advance.
*
*--Nancy
*
*P.S. We recently switched to a warm-mist
*humidifier with an air filter (Bionair?),
*from a cool mist type, but that doesn't seem
*to have helped dramatically.


Please take your daughter to an ear, nose and throat
doctor as soon as you can get an appointment.  You need
not have a sinus infection to have sinus troubles.
Our son had breathing out of his mouth, and coughing
at night for years.  He had narrow passageways and small
sinus cavities, polyps, and a cyst blocking one whole cavity.
Since his surgery he has been a new kid.  PLEASE CALL AND
MAKE AN APPOINTMENT NOW.  Hope you find your daughter some
help.
From: perryh@marie.uucp (Perry Hutchison)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute tricks they play (6.5)
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:39:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: marie.1993Jan22.083959.25278
Organization: St Mary's Academy, Portland Oregon

In <1993Jan20.012831.20776@crd.ge.com> kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:

+ In article <1jd7jaINNmmu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
+ >
+ >"We've studied all 24 letter."
+ >     "24?" I wondered.  "Why only 24?"
+ >     "E. T. went home," he remarked.

+ Ah.  I thought it was 22.  A&P went shopping, and L&M got kicked
+ out for smoking.

TWA took off.
Around the end of December there's no L.

Anyone keeping a list of these?

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