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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:11:52 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: A milestone
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> On and on it goes in slow increments. A tree is being grown, and at each
> node there are decisions to make. Is this <NP> to be made terminal? Is this
> <VP> here to be expanded even more? It is a tortuous process and often there
> are no clues to guide.

Ah, but there *are* "clues" of a kind.  The PS rules and transformations
are not unlimited.  Restrictions narrow your options.  Habits, your own
and those of others, provide clues.  The lexicon influences choices.  Your
sense of style involves itself in your choice of little hedgerows run
wild or neatly sculpted trees and bushes.  There are lots of guides along
the way.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:38:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: A taxonomy of humor
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>I wasn't alive in 1926 and thus had no way to know that Fowler was
>including women when he said men.  To me, women are women and men are
>men.  That's why I misunderstood his intention.

     You must have a hell of a time with Chaucer, Natalie.

     By the way, Marty, I made the parenthetical comment about Fowler
     in response to something Mka said -- not because I think Fowler
     is one of those <bad bad people>, of whom everyone seems so eager
     not to be one.

     Carol
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:13:14 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: Something old, something new
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	     annoyed because the new program is arced and she seems to have the
	     wrong version of arce.com --- why doesn't everybody just stick to
	     pkzip...     and who is about to suffer major attacks of guilt over

because pkzip is commercial.  Some people object to releasing PD software
using a commercial compressor.  Fortunately the pkzip format is in the PD
unlike the SEA ARC one, so you can use the alternative portable public
non-PK versions of zip and unzip if you feel strongly about it.

G
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:38:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The [t] in often
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> My high school English teacher Mrs. Tranberry, who was on hand
> to watch English flourish from about 1066 on up, insisted that we
> not pronounce the [t] in _often_. She also wanted us to say
> "Don Jew-on" for Don Juan. In her day it was considered correct
> to give English pronunciations to foreign words in English.
>
>      In any event, I go t-less often.
>
> -Rod

I remember my Eng teacher  in  college pointing out that it had to
be pronounced "Jew-on" because the verse demands it, and Byron (?)
wrote it to be pronounced that way.  I *love* the way the English
pronounce Spanish words.... especially <Nicaragua> "Nick-uh-rag-you-uh"
and <Venezuela> "Vuh-neese-you-ay-luh"...
--ggs
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:31:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: To
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> > just want to remind all you fans out there that when you hear
> > *NCSU*, remember that you knew me first.
>
> So my association with NCSU predates my awareness of the existence of
> its handsome, charming, sexy Professor of Spanish.  Now, of course, I
> first think of giggles when I hear NCSU mentioned.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Aw, shucks, what can I say?.....  (except thanks....)
--ggs (whose net was down from Friday night to Tuesday morn...)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:28:36 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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              13 Sep 92 22:39:31 -0500. <9209140356.AA28048@sics.se>

  Tushar points out:

  >Yes, but she was talking about memorizing tables. That they have something
  >to do with multiplication is incidental.

  Ah, but finding symmetries in long and boring tables is very difficult.

  >Now it's easy: the definition can be used to construct the multiplication
  >table of n by repeatedly adding n (starting from 0). That's what our multi-
  >plication is.

  Yes, but it took a lot of extremely involved mathematics, including an
appeal to the commutativity of addition, to establish this. So I think
you have strengthened the claim that

            x*0=0
            x*(y+1)=y*x+x

is not a proper (fundamental) definition of multiplication. (I have
heard it claimed that it's just as good as the ordinary definition.)
However, it has a technical use in programming e.g. in Prolog, because
if we take the so-called "completed definition" corresponding to the
above (replacing 0,0+1,(0+1)+1 by 0,s(0),s(s(0)),..):


   for all x,y,z, x*y=z if and only if y=0 and z=0, or
                                       y=s(w) for some w, and z=w*x+x

then it follows from this definition together with the corresponding
completed definition of addition that x*y=s(0) has only one
solution. This does not hold if we use the ordinary definition. All
this is very interesting.
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:59:41 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plumbing Woes
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> Are you a programmer?  IBM mainframe stuff mostly, COBOL, ADABAS/
> Natural.  CMS, RiceMail.

Not yet, but I'll start working on it right now.  I hope you'll chnage
to UNIX before I get there, though, since the only programming book I have
is -Teach Yourself C-.  It's the language I plan to learn first.

> Would you WANT this job?

Yes.  You can have mine in exchange.

> Actually, I'm not ready to give up the job yet [just so none of you
> lurkers from my department jump to any wrong conclusions] - I'd
> have to replace not only the income, but (at least as important)
> the internet access...

Although you'd have to adjust to less income, you would have the best
possible internet access if you came here.  I'll put our system and its
maintainers ahead of any anywhere.

> 'No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball.'

Oh -- I forgot to mention that I do have useful credentials for taking
over STALAG-L.  I saw Mickey Mantle hit a homerun in Yankee Stadium when
I was 12, and I sometimes was in charge of putting the score up on the
scoreboard when my brother was playing Babe Ruth League baseball.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:20:38 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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> Pedagogy is fine and dandy, but some folks are just hopeless and clueless
> forever and ever amen no matter *what* you do to drum education into their
> skulls.

Thank you, Bayla!  Officially I believe that all children can learn
(it's right there in our school district's mission statement), and almost
all of the time I believe that all of them can learn *something*, but  there
are times when it is a great comfort to hear a sensible person like you say
that sometimes *nothing* works.

ndh (who is absolutely delighted that it NOT a school day)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:33:54 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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>>                a * b for a < b.  Presumably because i was intellectually
>>aware that a * b = b * a from an early age, and refused o be encumbered by
>>the extra baggage of 50% redundant tables.  I'm still the same - six sevens
>>I can do but seven sixes i have to reverse before I see the answer :-(
>>
>What do you do when a = b ?:-)  They forced my class to memorize the tables
>both ways, redundant or not,  for n=0 to 10.  Silly, but then that's third
>grade math for you.

I tried to remember what my mother did and I did remember! It was something
like this: It hits me that six sevens is seven sixes so I tell my mother
that. She just placidly tells me it is always like that. And then she asks
me to go check the earlier tables I have been furiously memorizing, and
hints that I am slightly idiotic not to have noticed this before. Which I
am. She doesn't say it, but even a kid like me can tell.

Oh yes, another time like this: she asks me what 14 fives and 14 threes
are. After maniacal calculation I do get the answer and tell her not to
ask such tough ones. She tells me that the answer can be got by taking 14
eights. Damn, I shout, that's amazing! No, she tells me placidly, it is
always like that. But this time there isn't even the smallest hint that I
am an idiot.

God, I didn't think I'd remember this, they are such a completely featureless
incidents.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:11:48 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Emoticons
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              15 Sep 92 14:05:04 -0400. <9209151807.AA13250@sics.se>

  >That's his wavy forelock...*pompador*! That's the word!

  You should know by now, Judith, that every time you come up with a word,
I consult our local webster.

bast> webster pompador
No definition  for 'pompador'.  Maybe you mean:
  1. pompadour

bast> webster pompadour
pom-pa-dour \'pa^:m-pe-,do^-(e)r, -,do[0xC7](e)r\ n
[Marquise de Pompadour]
(ca. 1887)
1a: a man's style of hairdressing in which the hair is combed into
     a high mound in front
1b: a woman's style of hairdressing in which the hair is brushed into
     a loose full roll around the face
2: hair dressed in a pompadour
-- pom-pa-doured \-,do^-(e)rd, -,do[0xC7](e)rd\ adj

Biographical Names
Pom-pa-dour \'pa^:m-pe-,do^-(e)r, -,do[0xC7](e)r, -,du.(e)r\
Madame de 1721-1764 Jeanne-Antoinette Poisson; mistress of Louis XV
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:55:00 -0400
From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Bumper sticker sighting
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I saw this bumper sticker in Harvard Square (where else?)
last night:
        FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS
        VOTE          REPUBLICAN

-Rod
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Date: 10 Sep 1992 04:32:01 GMT
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In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>
> There is just *something* about Ruth that makes me think she belongs on
>that family tree.
> Goodnight all.
> Auntie Sis Doris
Besides the trick knee, you mean?  I know I'm not your sister, but I have so
many gazillion cousins of one sort or another that it's entirely possible.
Likely even. Giggles, you don't have a grandmother [aunt?] with the last name
of Dietz, do you?:)

-- 
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:33:48 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Rhubarb Pie for Joan
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>
> RHUBARB PIE
>
> Pastry for 9-inch double crust             1 to 1 1/4 cups sugar
> 1 1/2 lbs fresh juicy red rhubarb          1 to 2 tbsp flour
> Water - if needed                          1/8 tsp salt
>                                            1 tbsp butter
>
> Preheat oven to 450 F.
>  Line a 9 inch pie pan, fitting well into angles. Roll out remaining
> pastry for top; cut design incenter for wide-open steam vents. Cover with
> waxed paper.
>  Wash rhubarb thorougly; trim off and discard leaves and root ends. Cut
> into 3/4 inch lengths. There should be 3 1/2 to 4 cups. Add water if
> needed. (Early spring rhubarb is juicy and requires no water; late in
> season it may lack juice. Add 6 to 8 tbsp cold water to the late rhubarb
> and toss well.) Blend sugar, flour and salt (amount of flour needed
> depends on juiciness). Sprinkle 1/3 of this mixture over bottom of
> pastry-lined pan, and turn half of rhubarb over it; spread level and
> sprinkle with half of remaining sugar mixture. Dot with butter. Trim off
> bottom pastry even with rim of pan; moisten edge with water. Lay on top
> pastry, pressing gently at rim to seal. trim off top pastry with scissors,
> 1/2 inch beyond rim of pan; turn overhang under edge of lower pastry so
> fold is even with rim of pan.  Again press gently to seal, then crimp with
> tines of fork or make shallow fluting with fingers. Bake 15 to 17 min or
> until light brown; then reduce heat to 350 F and bake about 25 min longer,
> or until nicely browned and juice bubbles up through vents. Remove to cake
> rack to cool to lukewarm. 6 servings.
>  A lattice-work top crust is also nice.

>
>
>
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:31:00 MST
From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: He *is* afraid of words-l

>       No wonder he left!  Leave to the BWP to scare off the newbies.

>Rita

I think that, in this case, we all owe Ann Burton a drink.  At least I do.
Or perhaps a laurel, and hearty handshake?      8-)

JMW
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:15:49 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: The wonders of telecom
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              92 12:10 pm

> Graham, you are right on target!  Thanks for something that really needed
> saying!  As is my nature, I never discuss in private who I am having
> problems with, or what I think about someone else...but could I ever
> put names to your post! ...but I won't...just liked what you said.

	I find this rather ODD coming from you Don.  Goodness knows
how unpopular it was to actually say what I was thinking in public
on the list about what I considered an odd topic on your part.  OH
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN PRIVATE was the popular clarion
call.

	Make up your mind, dear.  Your hypocrisy is showing.
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:08:27 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz

>Amazingly, we remember the strangest things.  Tushar, arithmatic in your
>language is either not the same as arithmatic in my language or you are
>pulling the proverbial leg again.  And if I've been "took" again, Bayla,
>help me, please......

I think the confusion is with "and". 14 fives AND 14 threes meant 14 fives
plus 14 threes.

By the way, it's arithmetic.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:03:54 EDT
From:         Computers.and.Writing@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
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Here is the call for papers for the 1993 Computers and Writing Conference.
Please post a copy of this call in your departmental offices and forward
it to interested colleagues or to other lists where you feel subscribers
might be interested in this conference.  Ann Arbor is lovely in the spring!



                                C A L L   F O R   P A P E R S

                         NINTH CONFERENCE ON COMPUTERS AND WRITING

                               The University of Michigan
                                   Ann Arbor, Michigan
                                United States of America
                                     May 20-23, 1993

Conference Theme:

Lessons from the Past, Learning for the Future

Conference chairs:  Emily Jessup, Susanmarie Harrington, William
Condon, Wayne Butler

Poised as we are at the end of the first decade of using computers in
writing classes, 1993 seems a good time to pause and reflect upon
what we have discovered during the last ten years and to look
forward to the next ten.  The program chairs invite interested parties
to propose papers, sessions, or workshops.  We are particularly
interested in proposals exploring one or more of the following
themes:

   --Computers, Writing, and the K-12 classroom
   --Getting started with computers and writing instruction
   --Applications of hypertext in the teaching of writing
   --Multimedia and writing instruction
   --Computers and the reading-writing connection
   --Explorations of the virtual classroom
   --Uses of computers in promoting collaborations:
          --among students
          --across disciplines
          --over long distances
   --The effects of computers:
          --on the learning process
          --on the interactions among students and teachers
   --Changing sociopolitical contexts for computer use

Proposals:  Send three copies of a two-page (double-spaced) abstract
for a paper, panel, or workshop.  Include:  name(s), affiliation(s),
address(es), telephone number(s) and, if possible, e-mail address(es)
for all partcipants.  Also include audiovisual or other equipment
needs (including computers, projection, etc).

Deadline:  All proposals must be postmarked by November 1, 1992.
Notification of acceptance will be mailed by January 1993.

Mail proposals to:
Computers and Writing Conference
English Composition Board
1025 Angell Hall
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48109

OR

E-mail Proposals to:
Computers_and_Writing@um.cc.umich.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:39:24 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Blondie and Dagwood

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:37:39 +0200 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:
> >Did anyone see "Blondie" this morning?  How long will Blondie and Dagwood
> >work together, and will their working together ruin their marriage?
>
>  According to a preview in a paper here, Dagwood will work in the catering
>business only for two weeks, after which he returns to his old job..

Thanks.  I knew it couldn't last.
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In a previous article, rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU (Rashmi) says:

>Eeeeennntt!!  Bigamy is prohibited under Indian civil law.  You're probably
>thinking about Islamic religious code, which permits it.
Party poopers!
>
>It might be legal in those Arab states that have Islamic law.  What about
>Utah -- could the clan move there?  They'll save on moving expenses.

Nope - US law forbids it here.  You can arrange a marriage w/o benefit
of clergy [nonmormon] if you want, though.  People can live together however
they want.<grin>  You been living in sin, Tushar?

-- 
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:13:28 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bertie Wooster 2

>  Of course he is searching for a suitable word or phrase! And yet you imagine
>that he writes his accounts in some kind of "totally unconscious" trance?
>Automatic writing on this order does not exist.

Wodehouse's world, like any fictional world, has nothing to do with the
real world. Automatic writing on this order does exist there.

tushar
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From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re; Clambake pipcs

>What is sinsemilla?

If you can spell it, you've never tried it.

Jim (pfffffft....) Thomas
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:59:37 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: clambake pics
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              "aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU" at Sep 10, 92 8:46 pm

>
> >What is sinsemilla?
> >Is it nice? Can it grow in Canada?
> >Agnes
>
> You're kidding, right?
>

Nope.
93rd percentile in English on the GRE but never heard of it...
That's why I try keep up with this list, at some cost - it's one
of the few places I can find _new_ words!
A.
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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              14 Sep 92 07:30:13 -0500. <9209141231.AA14629@sics.se>

  >No venom--no *genuine* venom--Torquemada.  As a Polish friend of
  >mine says--it's about the only English he knows--Take it easy.

  Ausbrook, you're babbling, as usual.
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From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re:Mississippi Masala
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We saw this in Harvard Square months ago. I liked just about
everything about the film, especially because the color photography
was somehow richer thsn in other films (Or are all the other films
around here in black-and-white?). I had _some_ trouble adjusting
to Denzel Washington in his role, having remembered him as a
young doctor in _St. Elsewhere_.
   -Rod
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:44:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SEX ID
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> Larry! Hi there, dude!
>
> Wow, now I feel really at home. Like, I was really feeling lonely and
> left out? Kind of like I was the only REAL guy around here talking with
> a buncha weenies? Absolutely so fucking uncool see what I mean? So lets
> be friends!
>
> See you around man!
>
> tushar aka HuNk aka <<<groSlund>>>!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

All I can say, speechless as I am, is that *ts*' English is improving
daily.
--ggs
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