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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Everything
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:30:45 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

"Witch" boots...what a term...anyway, they don't really make them much 
anymore, unless you live in LA, SF, London..they are just not in style 
anymore.

Tel Basta is playing at the Elbo Room Sept.19th in SF,Ca. They are highly 
recommended.

The new Shadow Project album sounds great. Lots more of Eva, the Goddess 
incarnate, really exquisite lyrics,moods, etc..should be out soon..They 
will be on tour in October. I will try to get all dates and post..

Any addresses of truly atmospheric/poetic/beautiful 
Gothic/Funereal/Vampyric/et cetera magazines, organisations are greatly 
appreciated..


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From: nico@cats.ucsc.edu (Paul S Toney)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: The Nephilim
Date: 14 Sep 1992 05:43:36 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


   Somebody a while back asked, "        I understand that the name `the fields of the nephelim' is a reference
to the magnetic/spiritual/magical/yahoo fields which emmenated from a race
of giants (the nephilim) which populated the earth before god made man.
 
                .. any confirmations? Who dares open a bible to find out?


	Funny, because there just happens to be a "Field of the Niflheim" in
Nordic mythology, a very mist-shrouded field that warriors got lost in when theydied or did something wrong or some such event occured.  Not that this really
has anything to do with the Bible, just that it was a shocking coincidence.
Please forgive the shoddy posting.
 
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nico@cats.ucsc.edu-------------------------------------------------------------
From: ssmith@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (N.W.O.)
Subject: Shadow Project Address
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Reply-To: ssmith@ics.uci.edu (N.W.O.)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:58:56 GMT


  Sorry for the delay in getting Shadow Project's new/ other address,
  took me long to find a copy of the flyer than I had anticipated.  For
  those who are trying reach Shadow Project, hopefully you'll have
  better luck with this address.

                        Shadow Project
                        P.O. Box 96241
                        Las Vegas, Nevada  89193-6241
                        USA



Up Coming Tour Dates:

	  Date         Place                      City
	  Oct 1        Anaconda               Santa Barbara, Ca.
	  Oct 2        Olive Tree             Anaheim, Ca.
	  Oct 3        Spanky's               Riverside, Ca.
	  Oct 4        Soil & Crackers        San Diego, Ca.
	  Oct 6        The Stone              San Francisco, Ca.
	  Oct 7        One Step Beyond        Santa Clara, Ca.
	  Oct 9        Satyricon              Portland, Or.
	  Oct 10       Night of Sanctuary     Seattle, Wa.
		       & Color box



						-Steve


PS: the name of Shadow Project's upcoming album is something like
    "Death for the Dying" and it's on Triple X Records
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ctorres@cco.caltech.edu (Chon David Torres)
Subject: Re: american goth interested in correspondence with european goth chick
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:05:44 GMT

umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (androgyny) writes:

> 
>	I understand that the name `the fields of the nephelim' is a reference
>to the magnetic/spiritual/magical/yahoo fields which emmenated from a race
>of giants (the nephilim) which populated the earth before god made man.
> 
>		.. any confirmations? Who dares open a bible to find out?
> 
>	- Not me! Ever since.. well, i just don't like bibles.

Ok, so i opened a BIble and didn't blow up :-)

I will quote from the New American Standard Version:
Genesis 6:4-5
" 4 The Nephelim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when
the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children
to them. Those were the mightly men who were of old, men of renown.
  5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth,
and every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only on evil continuously."

Also in Numbers 13:33
" 33 'There we saw the Nephelim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephelim);
and we became like grasshopper in our own sight, and so we were in their
sight'"    this verse is about a scout relating his observations of a country
of wicked giants.

so they didn't exist before man (according to the Bible), but they were giants.
enough confirming, see ya,
-chon
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From: nsj@Apple.COM (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Tel Basta In San Francsico 9/19
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:40:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Tel Basta will be playing in San Francisco on September 19th
at the Elbo Room in the Mission.
 
Doors open at 9pm
Show at 10pm
$3.00 (cheap!)
 
Other bands that night will be Orange and Omewenne.
 
A real goth fest... Should be a great show!
 
neal
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: The Nephilim
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:57:22 GMT

I just bought a live Nephs CD called "Festival of Fire" yesterday.  It's really
wonderful.  The sound quality is great, and the performance is outstanding.  It 
saddens me that I'll never get to see them live.  :(  On the sleeve there was
some writing which I thought was interesting:

"Formed in the wastelands of Slevenage in England way back in 1984, the Fields of
the Nephilim were soon to take the throne away from the sadly demised Sisters of
Mercy as the high priests of Goth Rock.  The enclosed performance was captured 
live on what turned out to be the group's final European tour.  It was soon after
this that the lead singer and lyricist Carl McCoy decided to split from the band
in order to pursue a solo career.  In order to appreciate fully the true splendor
of the Live Nephilim experience, it is often suggested that this disc should be
played in a room with minimum lighting and a smoke machine slowly pumping away in
the corner.  This may be true.  However, KTS (the company that distributes the CD)
would like to state thate we accept no responsibility for anyone who burns their
house down in the process.  Your last chance to savor the power of the Nephilim. 
      - professor stone "

I don't have Earth Inferno, but if it's anything like this cd, I want it.  :)

Nhan
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Gothick (NOT SIC) Fiction
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:22:45 CDT

In article <BuDpLL.Jwn@acsu.buffalo.edu> v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli) writes:
>
>
>> 
>>Well Chris,
>
>The input on Dracula was apreciated.  But, Gothick, as in Gothick Literature
>or Gothick Fiction, was originally spelled with a "k".  Try looking up the 
>"Gothick Romances" by Sir Walter Scot and you will see how it was spelled
>in the 18th and 19th centuries.  When you talk about literature from this 
>period you need a "k".  Sorry.
>
>
>Next time look BEFORE you flame!

I wasn't flaming before. NOW I'm flaming.

Are you going to write your paper or book in Elizabethen English too? Might
make it hard for people to read, huh?

-Chris
From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Current 93, Death in June?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 01:40:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Hi.  I listen to lots of hardcore, industrial, ska, new wave
(whatever the hell that's supposed to mean), punk, techno (only
when RAVING), etc.  However I have had very little exposure to
gothic music.  This summer I was in France and heard some
Current 93 and some Death in June.  I really liked both.
But I know nothing about either band and I usually like to know
something about bands I listen to, such as who they are, where
they're from, how long they've been around, a general idea of
their beliefs (if they have beliefs), political views (again, if
they have them), and anything else that might be interesting
or informative.  Someone please tell me something about these
bands, either through e-mail or a posted message.  

	-Marla
From: peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:42:26 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

A book about how to be a Goth.
Isn't there a second edition of this now (twice as lame)?
This is like the Cyberpunk question: what is cyberpunk?
Anyone who answers this question is a sad man...

The book lists lots of bands: it puts them into a neat little
category: gothic.  The book says they are all gothic bands and
therefore you will like them.  HA HA HA HA HA

Don't perpetrate crap stereotypes, don't buy the book.
--
Peter Wake
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Scott Janecek)
Subject: Still have some Current 93 and Death In June for sale!
Originator: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:46:47 GMT




	If you want a list, please e-mail me or call 

				dan 414-483-4971


				thanks,

					dan


P.S. Joel, you can even let Alan know, this is my personal collection,
and I will trade/sell with Beat City...
From: jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: alt.vampyres
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:17:17 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Co

umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (dark ribbons) writes:
>
>.. Jeeze, sort of terrifying, the number of posts which go on over there..
> 

Hrm, if only our newsadmin would newgroup it...



jb


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From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Gothick (NOT SIC) Fiction
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:20:35 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

in article <1992Sep13.032246.27741@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier) says:
> 
> I wasn't flaming before. NOW I'm flaming.
> 
> Are you going to write your paper or book in Elizabethen English too? Might
> make it hard for people to read, huh?
> 

Sigh... all he means was that Gothick refers to something different to Gothic,
not that this is a correct or incorrect way to spell things. When referencing
historical things which are _nouns_ it is normal to spell them correctly !

-bat.

[does anyone else find it somewhat amusing to see _americans_ arguing over
 the correct spelling of english ? :-) ]
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From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Black Book Of Gothic Music: WHERE CAN I GET IT!
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:35:11 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

in article <1992Sep14.004226@cs.man.ac.uk>, peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake) says:
> 
> A book about how to be a Goth.

It isnt.

> Isn't there a second edition of this now (twice as lame)?

No.

> The book lists lots of bands: it puts them into a neat little
> category: gothic.  The book says they are all gothic bands and
> therefore you will like them.  HA HA HA HA HA

You obviously havent read it - Mick Mercer is notorious for not taking anything
seriously (dont you remember wehn he used to write for the Melody Maker).
Half the book is spent taking the piss out of the stereotypes that you also
dislike. Its the very diversity of the thing which makes it worth having.

> Don't perpetrate crap stereotypes, don't buy the book.

Your missing out on a rather good read - if you dont want to perpetrate crap
stereotypes then avoid some of the more mindless junk that gets pushed on
us by the media. Tho I still havent entirely forgiven Mr Mercer for his
obvious dislike of the NMA following... :-)

> Peter Wake
        ^_____ an unfortunate surname for somebody trying to avoid the goth
               stereotype I think :-) :-)

-bat.
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From: dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Looking for a leather jacket (London)
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:06:03 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Sep9.133000.8779@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> Could anyone recommend a shop/market with a good choice of jackets
> in the central London area? I can't find a decent quality one in my size here
> in Oxford so any hints on where to look in London would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance
> S

Thanks to everyone who supplied ideas on where to go for a jacket.
Had a good time looking for one and eventually bought a standard type
biker jacket for 90 pounds. It was the best quality one i found and is really
 soft leather . Probably not any good as a proper bikers jacket but saves
having to wear it in!
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@pigiron.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Gothick (SIC) Fiction
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:13:05 CDT

In article <BuBxsu.B1F@acsu.buffalo.edu> v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli) writes:
>
>	I'm a grad student at the University of Buffalo doing reasearch 
>on gothick literature.  Specifically:  the way the popular fiction of 
>the late 18th and early 19th century was recieved aesthetically and (more
>importantly) politically by the journals of pre-victorian and early 
>victorian England.  I've had limitted success at the libraries--I've found 
>the "European".  I'd also be interested in finding some specific titles
>of the popular serial fiction, "penny dreadfuls" they were called (things
>other than Anne Radcliffe and Matthew "Monk" Lewis).
>
>Thanks for reading.
>Martin Spinelli


Well Martin, lemme start by saying that I have usualy seen gothic spelled
with just a c, no ck (that includes the architectural and artistic 
developements that took place in Europe about the 12th century).

Have you look at the greatest work of 19th century Gothic fiction:
Bram Stoker's _Dracula_?? I highly recommend it- get the annotated eddition,
has lots of hitorical background (including public reaction to the novel).

-Chris

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Siouxsee domestically
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:07:57 GMT

Geffen seems to have released all of the old Siousee & the Banshees cd which
were import only, domestically. I picked up 6 or 7 last week.

jack
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jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde)
Subject: Fields
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:07:12 GMT

At least two of the Fields of the Nephilim cds can be gotten domestically.
(It may be three.) I'n not absolutely certain which titles I got as imports
and which were domestic, but here goes:
  Dawnrazor	domestic
  The Nephilim	domestic
  Elizium	import
  Earth Inferno	import (I believe it is available domestically now)

They are all on the RCA Beggars Banquet label.

I also found a cd by a group called Rubicon (same label, but Germany) which
was labeled by the store as being "formerly Fields of the Nephilim".

jack
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jack      mcbryde@karazm.math.uh.edu    * All I ask of Thee, Lord
* Christ died for our sins.  Dare we    * Is to be a drinker and fornicator
* make his martyrdom meaningless by     * An unbeliever and a sodomite
* not committing them? - Jules Feiffer  * And then to die. - Claude de Chauvigny
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Nephilim
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:34:59 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <BuFnM1.25B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (wen clark t) writes:
|> I've never actually heard anything by them, what are they like? I listen to 
|> stuff like Bauhaus, Dead Can Dance, etc. so I'd probably like them, too. Any
|> suggestions? 
|> 
|> This is probably the wrong place to ask, but is there an "industrial" message
|> base around here? Sorry, I'm new to Unix...
|> 
|> ogre
|> 
The Nephilim are awesome.  Sort of like the old Sisters of Mercy, but by no means 
a clone.  They have their own unique sound.  The guitar is wonderful.  I can get 
lost in it.  Carl McCoy's (the singer) voice is really something to hear, too.
Very gruff and pretty evil sounding.  I'd recommend The Nephilim and Elizium.  
Laura's pretty good, too.  Dawnrazor isn't one of my favorites, but you might like
it.  They are way different from Dead Can Dance, though..  and not very much like
Bauhaus either.  Give 'em a try if you can find their stuff.  The Nephilim and
Dawnrazor are fairly easy to find.  Laura and Elizium are more scarce in the US.
And I've yet to find Earth Inferno.

Nhan
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: The Nephilim
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:49:22 CDT

In article <1918q9INN424@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> nico@cats.ucsc.edu (Paul S Toney) writes:
>
>   Somebody a while back asked, "        I understand that the name `the fields of the nephelim' is a reference
>to the magnetic/spiritual/magical/yahoo fields which emmenated from a race
>of giants (the nephilim) which populated the earth before god made man.
> 
>                .. any confirmations? Who dares open a bible to find out?
>
>
>	Funny, because there just happens to be a "Field of the Niflheim" in
>Nordic mythology, a very mist-shrouded field that warriors got lost in when theydied or did something wrong or some such event occured.  Not that this really
>has anything to do with the Bible, just that it was a shocking coincidence.
>Please forgive the shoddy posting.
> 

The King James Bible mentions a tribe/region called Nephthalim... dunno if
thats at all related to the Fields of Nephelim in question:

MAT 4:13  And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon
the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

MAT 4:15  The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the
sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

REV 7:6  Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed
twelve thousand.

-Chris

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: american goth interested in correspondence with european goth chick
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:20:08 CDT

In article <1992Sep10.150544.1746@cco.caltech.edu> ctorres@cco.caltech.edu (Chon David Torres) writes:
>umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (androgyny) writes:
>
>> 
>>	I understand that the name `the fields of the nephelim' is a reference
>>to the magnetic/spiritual/magical/yahoo fields which emmenated from a race
>>of giants (the nephilim) which populated the earth before god made man.
>> 
>>		.. any confirmations? Who dares open a bible to find out?
>> 
>>	- Not me! Ever since.. well, i just don't like bibles.
>
>Ok, so i opened a BIble and didn't blow up :-)
>
>I will quote from the New American Standard Version:
>Genesis 6:4-5
>" 4 The Nephelim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when
>the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children
>to them. Those were the mightly men who were of old, men of renown.
>  5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth,
>and every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only on evil continuously."
>
>Also in Numbers 13:33
>" 33 'There we saw the Nephelim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephelim);
>and we became like grasshopper in our own sight, and so we were in their
>sight'"    this verse is about a scout relating his observations of a country
>of wicked giants.
>
>so they didn't exist before man (according to the Bible), but they were giants.
>enough confirming, see ya,
>-chon
>-- 


Interesting, The King James Bible has this to say about those exact same
passages:

GEN 6:4  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children
to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

GEN 6:5  And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and
that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

NUM 13:33  And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the 
giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their
sight.

Sooooooo, Since the KJ is THE authorative Bible version (well, for cathalics
anyway) it looks like Nephelim were added later??? 

-Chris

PS. I am not a catholic.
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Marionettes info?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:40:23 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

in article <1992Sep15.043337.2574@menudo.uh.edu>, mcbryde@navier.math.uh.edu (Jack Mcbryde) says:
> Nntp-Posting-Host: navier.math.uh.edu
> 
> Does anyone know where I might find something by the Marionettes? To date
> the only thing I have run across is "Ave Dementia" on the cd "Gothic Rock".
> Thanks.

A sort of goth-rock band, released a few singles towards the end of the
80's. The band got an awful lot better when they stopped taking themselves
seriously - they released an album "Ave Dementia" of which only 1000 copies
were pressed. The distribution was patchy and the record company went bust,
thus making it very hard to get hold of : even the band do not own a copy!

The band never had a big support in the UK - and most of that was centred
around London. The last UK tour was a bit of a disaster, the band split with
their management and didnt turn up for a lot of the gigs. They then set off
for a German tour. Unlike the Uk the band have a large amount of support in
Germany. These days they have almost entirely moved over there - they have a
new management deal, a new record deal and are playing to ever increasing
audiences. The last thing they did was supporting the Sisters Of Mercy at
the three German festival dates ove this summer - this was the last time I
talked to them. They have a new album out called "Book Of Shadows". This
is on release in Germany, and the CD version can be ordered on import.
(importers wont deal with vinyl anymore :-( ) There is also talk of re-issuing
"Ave Dementia" as well. Things are looking bright for the Marionettes these
days.

If you want to find some more material then 'Book Of Shadows' is your best
bet - it is, apparently, very good, although I havent been able to hear it
yet since the importers wont deal in vinyl (grrrr!). I would think that as
the band get bigger it will be easier to get hold of the material - and they
definitely look as if they are on the up at last.

-bat.

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