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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:26:44 GMT

st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:

>	3. Cat stories: According to apocrypha, both of my cats are magickal:
>one is a ring-tailed cat and the other is mostly black. However, I've
>never noticed anything magickal about either of 'em...except that at least 
>one of them ALWAYS seems to know when I'm depressed and seeks me out for
>some serious purring on my lap. I don't think that this is unusual--most
>cats probably rate pretty high as Empaths--but it sure is nice.

Well, the High Priestess I work with has two cats.  One is a gorgeous, black,
huge Maine Coon.  He looks like an ideal familiar.  He is also a doofus--but
a very nice doofus.  The other looks incredibly ordinary.  Multi-colored, no
particular markings.  However, *she* is the one who shows up whenever any 
'work' starts.  We refer to them as, "one for use, and one for show".


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: Tarot traditions
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:01:49 GMT

barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:

>  For me what works is following my own
>instincts and judgment, not listening to someone else's (arbitrary, IMO)
>rules.

RIGHT!!!!!!!

A good tenet to follow in any kind of psychic/spiritual/magic work as well,
IMNSHO!

Lena
From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: beginners need help
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:00:40 GMT
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse

In article <lc3ruqINN7be@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.072640.20451@newstand.syr.edu>, pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser) writes:
>> 
>> I'd also recommend Raymond Buckland's (sp?) "Complete Book of Witchcraft."
>> (I may have the title wrong, I don't have it handy.) I liked the "lesson plan"
>> format, which provides a step-by-step structure ... for those of us who
>> like step-by-step structures! ;)
>
>I've posted this before, and I don't want to look like I have a vendetta or
>anything, but I'd really advise avoiding this book.  Some of the information
>in the herbal section is blatantly wrong and dangerous.  Considering that
>his other books have titles like "Chant-o-matics" (be still, my heaving
>stomach!), after finding errors in the section that I had some knowledge
>about I immediately distrusted all the information in the rest of the book.
>I also had a bad reaction to his discussions of spirituality because his
>worldview struck me as pretty shallow and silly, if not completely put on
>because these kind of books sell, but of course you might react differently
>to that.
>
Thanks for the tip! I've only gotten to lesson 4 so far. A friend of mine is
studying herbalism (actually, she lent me the Buckland book in the first
place), so I'll tell her about this too.

As for the spiritual discussions... well, I have my own ideas about that which
are probably just as outrageous (and perhaps just as valid) as Buckland's!
:) :) :) It's always fun to compare spiritual "notes," as it were .. as
long as people realize that everyone has their own unique perspective.

	-- PeterCat
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: C&E
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:16:44 GMT

AAH! Light dawns! I think you mean C _of_ E, short for Church of England. I
am not sure if this is the same as Episcopalian, but it would sort of make
sense. BTW, "Burning Water" wasn't as good as "Children Of The Night".
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: tarot decks
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:49:09 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin


The Celtic Tarot depicts the minors without the vignettes seen in
Rider-Waite.  However, the positioning and depiction of the suits is
*not* merely six swords, two cups, et cetera.  The court cards, like
the majors, are figures in Celtic and Arthurian mythology (e.g. the
Queen of Wands is Boudicca, the Queen of Swords is Morgan LeFay).  

This deck really resonates for me, but I think you should try and get
a look at one in a store before buying it.  Actually, I would
recommend that for someone interested in any tarot deck.

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: more Campus Crusade for Christ bullshit
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:05:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


(Re: McGeary off her Prozac)

	I'll have to take responsibility for this -- I -am- her roommate,
after all.

*goes to closet, gets out dart gun -- loads it with Appropriate Prescribed
Medication -- and goes out a-hunting the elusive Wild Roommate*

	But alizard LIKED that quote.  Of course, by the time this wends its
way out to where you can see it, you'll know this. But I'll go out and bring
her in, anyway. Makes for good family entertainment.

BB

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
From: markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Libertarians, guns, etc.
Summary: one short comment on this thread
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:20:45 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.


The last ref in this thread is Corum responding to Anwyn's assertions, among 
them that the state is a myth, and that we should change the world only on
an individual level (if I understand Anwyn's statements correctly). To this,
I have only one short comment right now: there was a Protestent (I think)
minister, during WWII, who later said something to the effect of "When they
came for the Jews, I said nothing, for I was not a Jew. When they came for
the Gypsies, I said nothing, for I was not a Gypsy. When they came for the
Catholics, I said nothing, for I was not a Catholic. When they came for *me*,
there was no one left to speak out." Anwyn? Especially in light of the
current attempt, up in WA state, to legislate that homosexuality be immoral
& perverse, and taught to be so in the schools & universities?

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Ways
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<7601@monmouth.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:44:32 GMT

In article <7601@monmouth.edu> 
c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <Bv5DD0.L1v@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> 
pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>>	Why would he say cat, then?  Unless it was a simple slip of the lip...

>>Because he is singing, as oppossed to speaking. The beat and tonality come
>>first, "correct" pronounciation comes last.

>	But neither pronounciation strikes me as being any easier...

OK, try this, say this three times fast:
a done da da, no easy super cat
       ^                      ^    <-emphasis (beat) here
now try:
a done da da, no easy super can
       ^                      ^    <-emphasis (beat) here
See, it's kind of strange, I'll admit, but t is a hard consonant, hard
like a drum beat, n is a softer consonant.

>>The song (art) does not have an "intent", it just is, it is art, it 

>	I can't agree with this.  There have been songs/poems with intent as
>far back as I can think of there being songs/poems.  From the Greek epics 
>right up through the Disposable Heroes of Hyphiprisy singing about "California
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
                 don't they spell it like: Hiphopcrisy, get it? hip-hop
>Uber Alles".  Certainly, songs/poems CAN be just a method of sending somebody
>on a mindtrip, but I also think they can be a powerful method of saying
>what is on the mind of the artist.

Yeah, but what is the intent then? Isn't it for you to think? I guess
this is just a measure of the artistic value. A parable can be very
direct, like look both ways before you cross the street, otherwise you
can get killed, but myth on the other hand is a different story. The
"meaning" of myth is transcendent of the words. A good myth conjures up
many different images in those that "see" it. But, almost everyone
"sees" something different.
From: pierson@mpsg.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:59:15 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

OK, from another mostly lurker:

Born: 2/27/50, 8:04 AM Oakland, CA
Pisces, Aries rising, Moon in Cancer

While not really a believer in astrology, I'm grateful that you
brought this up -- you inspired me to reread for the first time in
a decade or so a natal chart a friend did for me in the early '70s --
whatever caused it, the chart's essay told me a lot about myself, then
and now.

Blessings,

        dan
--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: spaceman@mwunix.mitre.org (Fletcher Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Oh, Bother revisited
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:36:21 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

------------

In article <1992Oct1.131647.4480@desire.wright.edu>, josborne@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> 
|>   I can't believe it.  An entire worldwide network of computer nerds and nobody
|> knows where Ailsa got "Oh, bother."  It's Winnie the Pooh!  Come on guys,
|> what are you doing on Saturday mornings?  Studying?
|> 
|> 
|>                          Fan of the Pooh Bear. 




     <chuckle> Yeah, considering that "The Tao of Pooh" is one of my favorite
books as well, I got it. However, she had already given the answer by the
time I'd waded through ~300 posts.
     Oh great! Now I've done it! This makes my third post in four years of
Professional Lurking! I'll loose my standing in the Guild!
	BTB, what has Saturday morning got to do with it?

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fletcher Williams -- spaceman@mitre.org  
###I don't speak for MITRE, nor they for me.###
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: that quote about "foul enough for a witch to burn in."
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:12:47 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin


I've never had a problem believing the connection between "faggots"
and kindling... the German term for a bassoon is "fagott," and the
Italian "fagotto."  The bassoon is called this because of its
resemblance to a bundle of sticks.

Speaking as someone with a degree in fagott performance... :)

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: another poem
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:56:33 GMT

In article <7605@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.032258.3405@ncsu.edu> barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
>>Ailsa, Janis, and Bekki Lyn:
>>
>>I relate to that in a big way.  As girls we're taught that it's not good to
>>be assertive, independent, confident about our opinions.  So who wants to be
>>a girl if you can't be strong in your sense of self?
>>
>
>	Did anybody see the bit on the news last night talking about Hillary
>Clinton?  They were talking about her past problems of being called ambitious
>and agressive.  And how she's now calmed down and started acting like a proper
>first lady candidate.  Kinda make ya wanna hurt somebody, doesn't it?  Here's a
>woman who's taken all the shit they must've given her at law school, and all
>the shit they must've given her while she was climbing through her firm,
>and now they act like it's a GOOD THING that she's "calmed down"
>and started acting "proper".  Grrrr.....

But, it's not entirely unexpected.  Clinton has become noteworthy at the
very point in time when people (perhaps for the last time) are trying
their damnedest to deny all this "feminism" shit.  "Real" women don't
want to be liberated from their essential natures as women, etc. etc.
etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum.  The fact that she has been successful at
having her own career and a husband who's going places, AND a daughter
with whom she seems to get along just dynamites all the bullshit about
women having to live thir lives as mothers and nothing else.

Marilyn Quayle and Barbara Bush (whatever they may be privately) are the
lasst bastion of old womanhood nationally -- the college senior and
sorority president who scoped out the graduating class and surrounding
fraternities to see who looked like he'd make the most money.  Clinton
is the one who got out, got a useful degree, got a job, and met her
husband on his own terms, as an equal.

Scary.

Blessings,
Janis
  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: pronounce Daoine Sidhe
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:03:00 GMT

In article <96767@bu.edu>, perky@acs.bu.edu (Melissa Sherrin) writes...
> 
>Just my $.02 worth:  I read a book by CJ Cherryh (sp?) once, and her glossary had the pronunciation as "theena shee."  Don't know how historically (or should I say mythologically? :) correct her writing is, though.
> 
>Hoping this will actually post 
>(for once!)
>Melissa  

Obviously it posted ;-) and your spelling of Cherryh is correct.

As for the pronunciation....I think we all use different "spellings"
of the pronunciation because there are no sounds in our language to
adequately convey the sound.  So we each find something near to it,
only some go near on one side of the sound and some go near the other
side of the sound.  Sort of like mathematical limits.....approaching
0 from the positive or negative.

Tammy
Xref: sparky alt.pagan:10649 alt.astrology:1974
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: an idea for the net.women
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:28:42 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
Reply-To: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au


In article <80744@ut-emx.uucp> amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:

 > I have never understood why so many women are squeamish about their
 > own menstrual blood.  Perhaps it's just all that conditioning
 > ("unclean, unclean"), but I've never really had that problem.  Ever
 > since menarche, I have seen "the Curse" as nothing but a blessing,
 > because it means that if I choose, I can have children.  That rusty
 > stuff on the inside of my underwear is proof of the power of creation
 > inside of all women -- a power that, whether we choose to wield it or
 > not, is staggering.  And if we choose to wield it metaphorically
 > instead of literally (after all, creation is creation, whether it's a
 > baby or a novel or a song or a sculpture or whatever), it is no less
 > awesome.
 > 
 > This is one of the reasons that seeing "God" as feminine seems
 > infinitely sensible to me.
 > 
 > Actually, maybe having the painting party for a girl at menarche would
 > be a good passage ritual -- showing her that she can create with her
 > woman's blood, that it's not dirty, that she's not dirty for having
 > it.  Having just had a daughter 12 weeks ago, I'm ever in the market
 > for appropriate things to do with her while rearing her to be a pagan
 > woman in today's world.  


I am sorry that I cannot name people here for whom this painting ritual
is the first part of life itself. They have taken me through other men's
ceremonies which are in parallel with this one. If the old mothers
decide to bring it back they will release such women's power it will
increase all of us.



Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Binding or Protective Spells
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:03:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

A very dear friend of mine is being harassed by a co-worker.  The harassment
has gone to the point of vandalism and property damage.  I did a binding spell
to render the harasser powerless to harm my friend and was really surprised
(and a little pissed off) when my friend's car was spray painted only one
week later.
Have any of you had experience with this sort of thing?
Do you have any suggestions?  Would a protection spell be more likely to have
a positive effect?  The situation is fairly serious and the police (who are
very sympathetic) say they can't do anything without firm evidence.  The
perpetrator is a bit unstable and may contemplate action more serious than
what has already occurred.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings,

      Nancy



///////////////////////////////
Nancy Josephine Proctor . . . . PA142138@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU

"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question."
                                 Eugene Ionesco

////////////////////////////// . . .
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot traditions
From: haley@husc10.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:28:29 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Traditions in many things are meant to help the person remember all
the things that *need* take place in an event, big or small.
At other times it is just for uniformity...
In any event, Amanda (I think that was her name) is right, the cards
don't hold the magic. But they are the foci of it. Treat your cards
sacredly, or at least like you really care about them... (Same thing)
Make them special. Don't take them for granted, don't toss them in a
drawer or on any old shelf. The importance you assign them in your
conscious mind will filter to your subconscious. And there's where
their power will come from...
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Princess Cards [Was tarot decks]
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:23:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <kbennett.717868892@milton>, kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes...
>Jessica A. Darago <JD3415A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> 
>>The Crowley Deck,...
>>It's the only deck I've encountered that has
>>the Princess cards instead of Pages, and my card is Crowley's Princess of Cups.
> 
>The Cosmic Tarot by Norbert Losche has Prince and Princess cards.
> 
>I'll also mention the "mother/father/daughter/son" breakdown in several of my
>decks, including the Motherpeace and the Elemental.
> 
>My favorite deck, the pendragon, uses pages, but they are very clearly
>young women.
> 
>Lena
> 

Look at the Hanson-Roberts deck... the pages look very feminine.

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Lady Starhawk??? <Re: a novice asks>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:35:10 GMT

usr77@pil.UUCP writes:

>Re: Re: A Novice Asks...
>By: lib1p #0 @rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) USEnet      

>A personal and highly unofficial FAQ...
[With lots of good ideas, which I am deleting because they aren't relevant to
my comment.]

>Spiral Dance (Lady Starhawk) Wiccan beliefs / practices / magick

I do believe that Starhawk would *choke* if she ever heard that she was being
called "Lady Starhawk".  The "Lady _" thing is only used by US Witches of the
English Style (Gardnerian/Alexandrian/etc.), so far as I've ever seen.  It
certainly is NOT used anywhere in the English Commonwealth, since Lady has an
established meaning in those countries.  It is also not used in non-hierarchical
versions of Wicca, such as the Faery Trad. which Starhawk was trained in.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:41:15 GMT

In article <1a64epINNh4g@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>
>I was wondering if anyone has collected a list of pop stars who are decidedly
>non-Christian.  I can think of a few off-hand... the Red Hot Chili Peppers
>(according to a friend of mine) claim to be Satanic, Tears for Fears are atheists,
>as are XTC, I believe.  Anyone else have contributions?  Thanks!

Someone mentioned thet fact that Stevie Nicks was Wiccan, but I don't
know.  And, it's odd that you should mention XTC and Tears for Fears;
both are wonderful groups.  I don't know if XTC is atheist, though --
are you extrapolating fron "Dear God?"  I've always had my suspicions
about Suzanne Vega, too . . . 

Blessings,
Janis  

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Derivation of a Name
Keywords: Derelys 
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, B.C. CANADA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:40:57 GMT

I recently ran across the name "Derelys", and I am curious about
it. Does anyone reading alt.pagan know anything about this name?

I'm interested in *absolutely* *anything* you can tell me about
this name or similar names.

Thanks, 

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com (if you must)
From: liam@alehaus.uucp (liam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Mysterious Ways
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 20:53:08 CDT
Organization: The Alehaus, a Brewer's Witch affiliate, alehaus@brewich.hou.tx.us

perky@acs.bu.edu (Melissa Sherrin) writes:

> 
> Whoah there, Mr. Paul Harvey... underground hip-hop/rasta music inappropriate
> for pagans?  I certainly hope not, since I love the alternative scene.  I do 
> like some folksy stuff, but my truer love would have to be with groups like
> The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, James, etc...  What kind of music does everyo
> listen to here?  I've wondered, and now that I can post, I ask...
> 
> Melissa 

Ilisten to anything from classical to thrash and ALL points in between. 
 Btw I love listening to the cure.....etc, but my favorite music is the 
sound of a gentle rain falling on the plants in my garden or the sound of 
the birds that search my yard for food.  I also am fond of the purring of 
whitchever of my cats happens to curl up in my lap as I read or meditate 
In short, my favorite music is in the sounds of day to day living and the 
harmony of nature's own being......all else pales by comparison. :)

                                        Blessed Be,
                                                 Liam

------------------
%A@%n (%W)
Origin: The Alehaus -- Houston, TX -- 
     "Old witches never die....they just move in different circles"
Newsgroups: alt.pagan