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From: s0730076@let.rug.nl (W.J. van de Vis)
Subject: Re: MIKE! (about notation)
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:19:23 GMT

>
>Oh, I just saved your article to a file (s filename) and used an editor
>to copy your lines.  I typed in a new drum pattern and sent it as a new
>article.  I made a basic template (no notes) to start with whenever I 
>want to transcribe a new pattern.  I made it 8 measures since this is
>intuitive and fits nicely on one line.  Here it is:
>
> 1/x      one sixteenth 
> 2        two   "       = one eighth
> 4                      = one fourth
> 0 crash    
>
>                                                  means open hi hat
>  |x---|x---|x---|x---|                           hi hat close, crash
>4 |-,--|----|--,-|----|.                          high tom
>- |-2--|----|--2-|----|.                          snare
>4 |----|----|----|-,--|                           floor for example
>  |1---|--2-|----|-1.-|                           bass
>
>
>
>-Mike
>
>
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Of course I don't want to look like a complete ass, but I have to admit that 
I have been using this system only for a couple of weeks. So don't laugh at 
me if I ask something stupid, 
Have I got an editor? What is it? I did save the blank template, but I donno 
how to get it back on my screen and edit it.
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.percussion:515 rec.music.synth:20308
From: simmons@ittc.wec.com (Garry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: DrumKAT 3.0 / HatKAT: question
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:04:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.percussion
Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corp., ITTC, Pgh. PA.

On a related note, I can't get my hatKAT to work in hihat mode at all! I go into
whatever learn mode there is and get reasonable looking numbers for my open and
closed positions. I assign a closed hat to the up position, a pedal to the pedal
position and an open for the down position (I'm not a drummer and this makes more
sense to me). Anyway, the closed and pedal sounds work OK, but the open (press
hatKAT down) doesn't sound at all!??! 

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong... I've been totally unable to get hihat
mode to work. I've used the footswitch that comes with the DrumKAT in footswitch
3 and can get 2 of 3 sounds also... I've temporarily settled on triggering an
open hihat when I press the footswitch or hatKAT.

HELP!

Garry Simmons
simmons@ittc.wec.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: 911945m@axe.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL MURRAY MACDONALD)
Subject: re: Pearl exports or Tamas
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:21:01 GMT


In my opinion, the Pearls have better shells.  On the other hand, Tama makes 
the better hardware of the two.  I have a Pearl kit with mostly Tama 
hardware.  The combination is great!
From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pearl Export or TAMAs?
Keywords: used drums
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

Chris,
Yes indeed, I would consider used for myself, and would appreciate any
tips on what to look for. I've got the MD article "Buying Used" by
John Clarke (I'm ashamed to say I don't have the cite, though it's after
Dec. '86 because it's not in the 10-year index. MD wasn't putting the 
month and year on the footer in this issue, and I forgot to write it
on the *&&^% copy I got at the *&&^% Chicago Public Library. But that's
another library horror story...<g>)

I'm not sure I'd spring for vintage for a first set, but I DO want a kit
that sounds good. My interests are jazz and swing, so I'm not going to
be giving the set the level of use that a metal drummer would. For my
young friend the metal drummer, I told him to be careful about used and
to take someone knowledgeable about drums, maybe his instructor, with him.
Metal kits take SUCH abuse. Maybe he's better off with a new set?

Have been drooling over Elvin Jones' latest album, Youngbloods. Damn, those
TAMAs sound good...but then, he could make my set of Revere Ware pots and
pans sound good, too!<g>

Thanks for all the advice so far -- you all are a gold mine! And librarians
don't say that lightly! --Debbie
 


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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: s0730076@let.rug.nl (W.J. van de Vis)
Subject: Re: Long Song Usenet Notation
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:46:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.194622.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.) writes:
>Subject: Long Song Usenet Notation
>From: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.)
>Date: 26 Jan 93 19:46:22 PST
>
>	Here is a more compact notation for longer songs...the rests are still
>"graphical", but the notes are a little different.
>
>Notes:
>
>O = still equals a whole note.
>
> | = is a half note (shorter stem)
>O
>
> | = is a qurater note (shorter stem)
>*
>
> |\ = eighth note (shorter stem)
>*
>
> |\\ = sixteenth note (shorter stem, flags horizontal)
>*
>
> |\\\ = thirty second note (shorter stem, flags horizontal)
>*
>
> |\\\\ = sixty fourth note (shorter stem, flags horizontal)
>*
>                              _____
>Beaming notes--   eighth note |   |  (beam is an uderscore on the line above)
>                             *   *
>                                 =====
>                  sixteenth note |   |
>                                *   *
>                  
>                                      _____
>                  thirty second note  |===|
>                                     *   *
>                                     =====
>                  sixty fourth note  |===|
>Rests:                              *   *
>
>-_- = whole rest
>
>_-_ = half rest
>
> / = quarter rest
> /
>   
>--/ = eighth rest (shorter stem, horizontal flag)
>
>==/ = sixteenth rest (shorter stem, horizontal flags)
>
>-=-=/ = thirty second rest 
>
>=*=*/ = sixty fourth rest
>
>Dots and accents can be applied, and a normal staff can be laid out:
>      >   ^ >    > ^  >
>      _______  _______       
>------|-|-|-|--|-|-|-|-----__3__-------------
>HH|  X X X|X  X X X| X |   | | |          | | 
>T1|-------|--------|-- ---*-*-*---__3__---|-|      
>SD| 4    *        *    |2 >   >   | | |   | |
>T2|------------------- |---------*-*-*----|-|
>FT| 4                  |4        V V V    | | 
>--|------------------- |------------------|-| 
>BD|  * * /    * *  /   |                  | | 
>----|-|--/---|-|---/------------------------- 
>    ---      ---
>
>
>Signed,
>
>Daniel Rouse, Jr.
>Sophomore, Computer Engineering 
>California State Polytechnic University, Pomona (Cal Poly, Pomona)
>Email: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
>
>And now...the moment we've been waiting for.  GamePro magazine and EGM
>magazine proudly present:  The Arcade Champion!


Great! I can really read this ordinary notation! Though I just voted for 
system 2 I LOVE this one, let's call it 3. Who follows?
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pearl Export or TAMAs?
Keywords: Pearl, TAMA
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:54:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of North Texas

In <1993Jan20.215218.20297@midway.uchicago.edu> dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie) writes:

>I'm posting this for someone who doesn't get the newsgroups, the son
>of someone I know. The young man is 12 and is about to buy his first
>kit, he's been saving up. His local drum store is recommending the 
>TAMA Rock Star kit and the Pearl Export Series. He plays metal. The
>two kits cost about the same. Any recommendations?

>BTW, thanks to all for advice on the cymbal. The duct tape did the trick.

I recommend the Tamas.  I own a set of Tama Rockstar DXs and would give them
up only for a set of Tama Artstar IIs.


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From: cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: usernet notation WE NEED IT
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:59:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <s0730076.10.0@let.rug.nl>, s0730076@let.rug.nl writes:
> Hi. As I am a fairly new user, I donno if you already developed some sort of 
> usernet notation system. If not, let's do it! Of course following is not 
> final form, just a suggestion! Any improvements, tips, suggestions (I am 
> sure it could be a much better) mail.

Sure, here's a transcription of Frank Zappa's "Black Page..."

No, seriously, I've been thinking about this for a while. I would
rather see a public exchange format rather than an ASCII notation
system. This would allow users on different systems to create
applications for creating/viewing music, and simply share the file
format. Then we could all view the same music files on our machines.
The main problem is that such applications would be a pain in the butt
to create.

However, in principle, I agree vehemently. Without some kind of shared
format or notation system, about all we can do on this group is talk
about our favorite drummers and brands of drum hardware. Not
particularly useful.  I'd much rather see people exchanging rhythmic
ideas. I've got notebooks full of material at home, but no way to send
it meaningfully over the net.

(Speaking of which, has anyone checked out Steve Gadd's 8-bar drum intro
on Ben Sidran's "Cat In The Hat"? Very tasty; I just picked up that
lick the other day...)

	-Doug
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: hamm@haggis.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: Pearl Export or TAMAs?
Keywords: Pearl, TAMA
Reply-To: hamm@haggis.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:40:36 GMT

--
  Craig Hamm, Memorial University,|   
  Newfoundland, Ocean Acoustics   |
  Canada                          |
  ________________________________|

In article <drice.727595659@ponder>, drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice) writes:
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|> From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
|> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
|> Subject: Re: Pearl Export or TAMAs?
|> Keywords: Pearl, TAMA
|> Message-ID: <drice.727595659@ponder>
|> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 02:24:19 WET
|> References: <1993Jan20.215218.20297@midway.uchicago.edu>
|> Sender: usenet@mercury.unt.edu (UNT USENet Adminstrator)
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|> 
|> In <1993Jan20.215218.20297@midway.uchicago.edu> dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie) writes:
|> 
|> >I'm posting this for someone who doesn't get the newsgroups, the son
|> >of someone I know. The young man is 12 and is about to buy his first
|> >kit, he's been saving up. His local drum store is recommending the 
|> >TAMA Rock Star kit and the Pearl Export Series. He plays metal. The
|> >two kits cost about the same. Any recommendations?
|> 
|> >BTW, thanks to all for advice on the cymbal. The duct tape did the trick.
|> 
|> I recommend the Tamas.  I own a set of Tama Rockstar DXs and would give them
|> up only for a set of Tama Artstar IIs.
|> 
|> 

|> _____________________________
|> __-----____--___--__-----____	D. Keith Rice
|> __--__--___--__--___--__--___	University of North Texas
|> __--___--__--_--____--___--__	Department of Computer Science
|> __--___--__----_____--__--___	Denton, Texas, USA
|> __--___--__--_--____--_--____
|> __--__--___--__--___--__--___	drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu
|> __-----____--___--__--___--__	drice@cs.unt.edu
|> _____________________________
|> 

	(That's a big sig)

	I recommend the Pearls.  I have a set, and have had no troubles
	with them whatsoever.  I love the hardware, also.  I think it is
	very high quality for the price.  

	Craig
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: counting out fives
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:25:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.102248.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk>, tms@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Has anyone got a good method for counting out fives as in
> something similar to 
> 
>  1 e + u 2 e + u 3 e + u 4 e + u
> 
> for fours.

How's about:

	1 (2 3 4 5), 2 (2 3 4 5), 3 (2 3 4 5), 4 (2 3 4 5)

Seems like you can count it any way you like, as long as you put 5
syllables per beat. I don't see anything inherently beneficial about
the sound of "1 e & uh, 2 e & uh" etc for counting fours... Am I
missing the point?
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: Re: Drummer's ear? READ THIS!!!!
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:36:38 GMT

s0730076@let.rug.nl (W.J. van de Vis) writes:

>But when you practise with your band, such big headsets really kill high 
>frequencies, so you won't be able to hear the sologuitar anymore. And then 
>the noise is even worse, so some protection IS necessary. Do you play in a 
>band?  

Sometimes not hearing the guitar solo is a *GOOD* thing!

=)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:42:00 EST
From: <CJD105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: counting out fives

Terry,

    Maybe you could count fives like this:

                 1-it-is-N-ah-2-it-is-N-ah...and so forth.

                               Good luck!

                                      Chris Downs
From: TTR2@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Tod Treganowan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: shell sources?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:28:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.percussion
Organization: Pitt

In article <lm04rhINN8n6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM
(Dances with Drums) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	A friend of mine made a jun-jun from a bass drum shell.  He got
> it through a friend who seems to be unwilling to get anymore or
> reveal her sources since she makes drums.  
> 
> 	Anyway, it is a maple unfinished shell that is about 16-24 inches wide
> by about 20-28 inches long.  He said he paid about $90 dollars for it.
> Anyone know where I might find such a beast?
> 
> 	I really would like to make my own junjun and these shells appear
> to be great...
> 
> thanks!.
> william


William,

There are several makers of unfinished shells.  Eames is probably the
biggest.  If you want to find addresses and different sources, look in the
classified section in the back of any Modern Drummer Magazine.  There are
usually several ads in every issue.

Good luck!

									Tod

When the shepherd is weak, the wolf shits wool.

                           13th Century French Fablieaux
From: CJD105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pearl Export or TAMAs?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:31:09 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Debbie,

     Ever consider buying a used drum kit?  If you have a little

patience, You can get something for either less money or pay

about the same for an older, yet better quality kit. Also, it may

have more drums (most metal drummers like that!) and best of all,

used kits often come with a few cymbals! :-)  I think it would be

worth your while to check around. Post questions if you find a kit

that looks interesting! Good luck!

                                   Chris Downs
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser)
Subject: Help a guy in Holland
Summary: Help a guy in Holland
Keywords: Holland
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:59:50 GMT

Here is a note from an internal hp news group from an hp employee
in Holland and my reply to him along with his response to my 
suggestion to post to rec.music.makers.percussion.   If anyone has
any other sugguestions to help him exchange ideas with percussionists
please mail to marcol@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com or to me and I will
forward to Marco and/or post a reply here and I will forward that
to him.  

Thanks,
Fred Handloser
Corvallis, Oregon
fredh@cv.hp.com

============================================================================
>From: marcol@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Marco Lesmeister AEO)
>Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:34:12 GMT
>Subject: looking for percussion music friends
>Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
>Path: hpcvusn!hp-pcd!hpfcso!hpfcmdd!hpbbrd!hpbbn!hpuamsa!marcol
>
>Hi there,
>
>My name is Marco Lesmeister, and I am a SI consultant here in Holland. But 
>that's not what I am writing about now.
>
>I am looking for HP people who, like myself, play in a percussion group or
>drumband or marching band or whatever you want to call it.
>I am looking for people to share music with (on paper) so that I can try to
>play some real american music, and you get a chance to look at some of the
>real neat stuff we got over here.
>
>Mostly I am interested in percussion-only pieces, but horns are fine also.
>
>I am the instructor for a percussion group which has been the national
>champion for three times over tha last 12 years, and finished second almost
>every other time.
>
>You can send me an HPDesk message, or email me: marco@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com
>
>===================================
>Return-Path: marco@fantasia.neth.hp.com 
>From: Marco Lesmeister <marco@fantasia.neth.hp.com>
>Subject: Re: rec.music.makers.percussion
>To: fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser)
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:39:08 MET
>
>> Hi Marco,
>> 
>> Do you know about the news group rec.music.makers.percussion ?
>> You should post your note there also.
>> 
>>   Good Luck,
>> 
>>   Fred Handloser
>>   Corvallis, Oregon
>>   fredh@cv.hp.com   
>
>Hi Fred,
>
>Thanks for your suggestion, but I don't have access to the rec news groups
>here in Holland.
>
>I could ask someone else to post it for me, but I can't read the answers also.
>
>Any other ideas?
>
>regards,
>
>Marco Lesmeister
From: mhopper@cerl.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: MIKE! (about notation)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:44:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering Research Lab, Georgia Tech.

>Of course I don't want to look like a complete ass, but I have to admit that 
>I have been using this system only for a couple of weeks. So don't laugh at 
>me if I ask something stupid, 
>Have I got an editor? What is it? I did save the blank template, but I donno 
>how to get it back on my screen and edit it.

I'd like to answer your questions, but I don't have enough information.
I'd also like to take this to email to reduce the traffic on this newsgroup.
If you have email ability, send me some at mhopper@cerl.gatech.edu and
include the following information:

		1.  What computer system (hardware, operating system)
		    you are using.
		2.  What program are you using to read news.  Is it rn?

If you don't have email, just post this information, as you've been doing.
My best advice is to find someone who can help you where you're at.

-Mike

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From: mdwalker@unix.amherst.edu (MATTHEW DANIEL WALKER)
Subject: Re: Buddy Rich
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:00:09 GMT

Shannon Atkins (satkins@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu) wrote:
: Several articles I've read have mentioned Buddy Rich as having been
: a phenomenal drummer.  I'm no drummer, but I enjoy listening to good
: musicians, so I was wondering if any of you might have any album
: suggestions that would be a good introduction to his playing.
: 
: -S. Atkins- ( post or mail - I read this group often )
: 

	I would immediately recommend Sony's _Buddy Rich_ collection--a
truly remarkable collection of tracks.  One half of the selections have
extended drum solos in them.  Wow.

	Respectfully,
	Matt
From: jtguttad@unix.amherst.edu (Mojet Bweet)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: counting out fives
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:13:51 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

River Johnson (R.T.Wieckowski@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: In article <1993Jan22.102248.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk>, tms@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
: >Has anyone got a good method for counting out fives ...
: >
: 
: I find this works ... call me bizarre if you will.
: 
: 
: 1 and a had-dock 2 and a had-dock 3 and a had-dock ( etc. )
: 
: 
: 
: feeling 'ruff' then your doing it right ...
: 
: RIV.
: "Hatstand"


	WOW - I tried this method and it works GREAT!  Fives have always
been quite a challenge - I think this should help a lot.  Thanks...
-Jeff
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:57:48 EST
From: <CJD105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: counting out fives
 <1993Jan22.172557.23649@dsd.es.com>

pmartz@dsd.es.com writes:
>I don't see anything inherently beneficial about the sound
>of "1 e & uh 2 e & uh" etc for counting fours...Am I missing
>the point?

There is a reason for counting this way, Paul. Turn your
metronome up to, say, 160-180 beats per minute (really
fast) and then try counting "ONE two three four TWO two three
four THREE two three four FOUR two three four". Now, after you
pick your tongue up off the floor :-) , count the way which you
wrote about in the qoute at the top of this post. You should
definitely feel the difference. Rolls off the tongue better, huh?
This way also, as a result, makes picking out the individual
subdivisions (1's, e's, N's, and uh's) much easier when
playing.
                           Chris Downs
From: rmascaro@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Robert Mascaro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: counting out fives
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:18:38 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Why not break the fives into halve time measures,
eg.
1 2 +, 1 2 +
Works for me, also saves your tongue.
7/4 becomes 1 2 3 +, 1 2 3+ etc..........
regards,
Rob.
From: tms@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: counting out fives
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:22:48 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.


Hello,

Has anyone got a good method for counting out fives as in
something similar to 

 1 e + u 2 e + u 3 e + u 4 e + u

for fours.

Thanks in advance

Terry