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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: Come back instant replay !!!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

In article <1992Dec14.002527.21325@wheaton.wheaton.edu>, mcelha@david.wheaton.edu (Geoff McElhanon) writes:
|> I don't care what anyone says.  Washington did not win, Dallas did not lose.
|> They got robbed.
|> 
|> I am referring to the play that resulted in the go ahead TD for Washington in
|> the final two minutes of play.  The instant replay seemed clear enough to me on
|> two points.  Aikman's arm was definitely in forward motion.  The ball popped
|> out and up, just out of the reach of Aikman's hand, following it back.  Aikman
|> did what everybody else would have done.  He tried to "recover" the should have
|> been incomplete pass, but he didn't.  Then Emmit Smith picked up the ball and
|> did what any decent running back would do.  He tried to advance it out of the
|> end zone.  If you looked carefully at the instant replay, the ball was still in
|> his hand when his knee touched the turf, but he "fumbled".  
|> 
|> The result: Washington 20, Dallas 17.
|> What should have happened?  Dallas 3rd and ## from the 4.
|> 
|> This is a classic case of a very critical call that wasn't made because of the
|> lack of instant replay.  Now Dallas appears well out of position for any kind
|> of shot at home field advantage throughout the playoffs with the way San
|> Francisco is refusing to go down. 
|> 
|> One call says it all...
|> 
|>   Geoff. 
|> 
|> P.S. I do have to put a note in here that Dallas made too many mistakes.  I'm a
|> Cowboy's fan and I was so excited when the showed the game here in Chicago.

I at first thought the same thing about replay at the beginning of the
year, but not having to go through any more of those stupid delays during
the game has made me re-think a little, and I guess, I like the NFL
without the instant replay and the officials second guessing themselves,
 Greg
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:50:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Eddie Murray was(Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity')
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>Mark A. Blickhan) /  7:49 am  Dec 18, 1992 /

>By the way, 49ers.  Bennie Blades has 3 blocks in 3 straight weeks (Montgomery,
>Royals, Hansen)!  Wilmsmeyer will be five after Stryzinski gets his due.

This is great - a fan of a 4-10 team woofing over a 12-2 team!  Have you
considered a career in stand-up comedy?

- Gary Rosen
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Young vs Randall Cunningham
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:44:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <b39V03kec3BU00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:

>Perhaps someone should point out that Steve (32) is older by a few years than
>Randall (28or29) and will probably check out of the NFL before Randall. I think

But Young has far less mileage on him.  This could be key as both depend
so much on speed.

>Steve Young players for a better team and in a better organization than does 
>Cunningham. 

True.

>The 49ers would never have allowed a player of Keith Jackson's 
>caliber to walk. Nor would they ever have hired that clown Buddy Ryan as 
>coach. 

Well, "never" is a long time.  Remember that the current big cheese
did hire Joe Thomas (god were those miserable years).



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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.084054.4451@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jg> JOHN
>
>jg> Yeah, I know, they were favored by 20.5 points. Hey, they won. 
>
>  If a team favored by ~3 TDs can just barely beat a turd 4-10 team, they 
>  don't deserve to be in the NFL.
>
>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

Gary, you just don't give up do you. :-) Tell you what, 
practically the WHOLE world has the Niners as favorites to
go all the way despite their winning margin. Check out
their record, 13-2. Also check out their QBs: Young, Bono,
and that other guy, hmmm, oh yeah, JOE MONTANA. Hmmm,
their RBs, Watters and this Light Blub guy, oh, yeah...
Amp Lee. Let's see, WRs: Rice, Taylor, Sherrard; TEs
Brent Jones and Williams. Oops almost forgot what's his
name, Rathman. Yeah, they don't deserve to be in the NFL.

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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Answers (opinions?) from Viking fan
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:39:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.132400.28325@uc.msc.edu>, bob@msc.edu (Robert Hanson) writes:
|> 1. Do you think MN will win the division?  If yes, how far do you think
|>    they will go in the playoffs?

If they beat Pittsburgh or Green Bay :-)  I think (hope?) that they will beat 
Green Bay at the Metrodome and have a real good chance against Pittsburgh. 
Pittsburgh has not been playing great lately, almost losing to Seattle and 
losing big to Chicago.  As for the playoffs, anything can happen, but they
most likely will not get past the second round, which will likely lose against
either Dallas or SF.

|> 
|> 2. With all of the current talk about getting a new QB, who would you  
|>    like to see come to MN.  A local radio announcer thought Boomer
|>    Esiason would be a good (and available) choice?

I wish they had paid attention when Dave Krieg was available.  They likely
will not find anyone in the draft that can help. I heard this morning that
Rusty Hilger has left the Seahawks to return to his tavern business in 
Oklahoma (?).  Maybe he is available ;-? My guess is they will do nothing --
maybe try to accelerate the progress of ...
|> 
|> 3. Speaking of QB, how good is Brad Johnson.  Is he just a perrenial
|>    backup, or does he have potential to be a good starter?

Don't know much about Mr. Johnson.  Wasn't he the UCLA quarterback that left
early, giving Maddux the job?  Has he played at all this year?  

|> 
|> 4. What positions, other than QB, do you think MN will be looking for in
|>    the draft?  I personally think they need to bring in a speed receiver.

A speed burner (track star Bates from Arizona State (nee Seahawks)?) sounds
good.

How much of the QB problems are caused by the offensive line.  Gannon getting
sacked twice in a row cannot be all his fault (or can it?).  The names on
that line sound great (McDaniel, Zimmerman, Habib, ... ) but have they been
having a good season?  That seems to be where offensive problems start (see 
Seattle Seahawks for an example), making good (not great) skilled position
players look mediocre.

Defense *seems* to be solid.  Are there any positions that are aging, maybe 
should start stockpiling low round talent as backups and culling for future
replacements?
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:40:06 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GIANTS over Kansas City (35-21)
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:47:36 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




In the early game Saturday, the New York GIANTS defeated the Kansas City
Chiefs 35-21 putting a serious dent in the Chiefs playoff hopes.  It's
hard to get psyched about the outcome of this game as the Chiefs O looked
pretty flat through much of the first half.  It's also a case of too little
too late for the GIANTS.

Jeff Hostetler had a great day throwing for 2 TD passes.  Most of his
few incompletions were dropped passes by the tight ends.  Hampton had about
9 yards rushing in the first half but close to 80 in the second half.
Veteran Ottis Anderson played a large part in the final drive of the first
half which was capped off by a thread-hrough-needle TD pass from Hoss to
Chris Calloway.

The defense did a good job bottling up Okoye and Harvey Williams.  They
also picked off Kreig twice. The second one was costly as it was in
the GIANTS 20. 

Hampton - 3 rushing touch downs
Hoss- 2 TD passes 

Kreig- 1 TD pass to Tim Barnett
Okoye- 1 rushing TD

Late in the 4th quarter, long snapper Brandis screwed up and threw a high
one.  Punter Rueben Rodriguez' attempt was blocked and recovered by KC
in the end zone.

Hey, San Diego, you owes us one... tellya what, send us Junior Seau and we'll
call it even :-)

satish nair
giants (6-10 in '92)

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Tim Harris -- Rootin' Tootin' 9'er
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 18 DEC 92 12:08:24    

In article <1gr10qINNiba@agate.berkeley.edu>, rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes...

> C'mon you guys are just sore that you lost one of the better 
> linebackers in the league for a mere low 2nd round pick and to top
> it, it seems that Tim Harris has cleaned up his off-field
> act and in fact seems to be far better adjusted to his team-mates
> than Charles Haley. (Incidentally, one probable reason Harris had his 
> six-shooters out instead of folding them under his arms is that
> he was back on his old hunting grounds)

The Packers got the 2nd rounder *and* Mike Holmgren.  Now, that's a 
bargain.  :-)

Also, the Packers had no choice but to trade Harris.  His salary 
demands *were* out of line.  He just didn't want to play here anymore. 
Probably he wouldn't have been as good with the Packers as he is with 
the 49ers.  

PS. The Packers only had one pick in the 2nd round.  Either they 
traded the 2nd rounder away or it's for 1993.

JGH
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Re: Super Bowl Trivia Time! (correction)
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:38:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <27000191@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, tnguyen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thinh Nguy
en) writes:
>>
>
> Let me try.
>
>>1.)  Name the only two head coaches who've won Super Bowls as a player,
>>assistant coach and head coach.  Hint:  one in the NFC; one in the AFC.
>>
> Joe Gibbs , Tom Florrent(sp?)
Sorry Thanks for playing, JOE GIBBS NEVER PLAYED IN THE NFL, DITKA and wait
has the AFC ever won the superbowl? :-)  I don't know.

>>2.)  The Rose Bowl is the site for SB XXVII.  To date, how many SB have
>>been played at the Rose Bowl?  Which SB's?
>
>  Five time plus one this year.
>>
>>3.)  Who is the all-time leading post season receiver in NFL history?
>>Hint: it's not Jerry Rice.;-)
>
>   Art Monk ??

I'd think this is correct

>>
>>4.)  What former SB MVP entered the '92 season as the leading active
>>rusher in the NFL?
>>
>   Marcus Alan - Silver & Black
Wrong, The Active Leading Rusher is Eric Dickerson, in terms of MVP's You're
right

>>5.)  Since the AFL-NFL merger in '70, who is the only wild card team to
>>win a Super Bowl?  Who did they beat?
>
>   Silver & Black - Red Skins I think !!
NO, they beat the EAGLES in 1980 when they were still in Oakland

>>
>>6.)  Who is the only player in the NFL history to be a member of 3
>>different SB winning franchaises?  Which teams were these?
>>
>  Who else? Matt Millen  -  Silver & Black, 49er, Red Skins.
Yes
>
>For a award, no thanks.
>
>GO FOR FIVE NINERS
Go for Four Skins
Time for a slaughter in the VET
Time to send the Eagles to a VETerinerian


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From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes cannot hope for a wild card.
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:31:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <ELM.92Dec14183852@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <Bz9qB6.Eno@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>Actually, the Vikings *can* be a wildcard team.  They are currently
>9-5.  If they lose to the Packers and win their other game, they'll
>finish 10-6.  It's entirely possible that the loser of the Philly vs.

Firstly, if the vikes win their next game they win the division irrespective
of their outcome with green bay as they will have a better divisional record.

>Washington game will lose their other game, finishing 9-7.  That would
>make the wild card teams New Orleans, winner of Philly/Washington
>(11-5 or 10-6), and the Vikings (10-6).  The loser of the Philly/DC
>game would be 9-7 and out of the playoffs if they lost the final
>weekend.

NOT!!!. Look at the schedule for philly and washington. They both play at
home against giants and raiders respectively. They both are clear winners in
these games. So, if the vikes dont win the division they wont make the 
playoffs. Because as you know(?) vikes will lose the tie breaker with both
philly and washington.

So, if the vikes dont win a game then they aint going to the playoffs.

>ethan
>--
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>elm@cs.berkeley.edu             |  gonna have a REALLY bad day.  GET IT?"
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-Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan..
hey, vintage 1990 randall is back...
GO EAGLES....
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:20:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:04:21 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bernstine returns!

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 9-Dec-92 Bernstine
returns! bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu. (197)

> Looks like Rod Bernstine will be back playing before
> the playoffs start.  He began practicing this week
> and he may play this week depending on how practice
> goes.

> Bad news for SD opponents.

> Brian


according to Inside The NFL (on HBO) Bernstine will be back this week!
(we might need him next week against the Raiders....)

btw: they had a nice little interview with Bobby Ross on ItNFL and there
was one thing that really struck me about it--does Bobby ever smile?
I don't think he smiled once..... maybe he's really feeling the pressure.....

--Vernon.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.062750.3238@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>[ pure, petty whining from Gary "the nowhere man" Strand deleted ]
>
>--
Gary, you're a BIG WEENIE. And no, it ain't your two-inch dick
size. You don't have the foggiest idea of what football is
about unless your stats are right in front of your
foul-smelling mouth. Your jg>, etc., is especially childish,
but that is expected from a WEENIE who has be make certain
who said what. Your dorsal ganglia is insufficient and
your attempt at flaming is equally matched by your feeble
retorts. Like I said, If you can't take it, which is obvious,
you should just get under your covers and jack-off in
your pissed-stained mattress.

Wanna discuss football great! The 'Boys still suck and
the FOOTBALL GODS still rule, you insignificant little man.
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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:16:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.155010.839@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>I have heard some Redskin fans saying Washington is a better team than Dallas
>this year.  Want to test your theory?  If you could bet $1000 on which team 
>would win at a neutral site, who would you choose?
>
Screw your facts. Here is ONE. Dallas lost Sunday! Take that to the bank!

>Fact: Dallas dominated Washington at Dallas.
>Fact: Dallas outplayed Washington at RFK, Washington wins because of great
>      defensive efforts and bonehead Dallas plays
>Fact: Rypien is having a terrible year and
>Opinion: Rypien/OL cannot carry the Redskins through the playoffs like they
>      did last season.
>
FACT: with all your BS, your COWBOYS still loss! THey are CHOKERS!

>Good defense wins championships, but a team must have some offense or it is
>hopeless.  Just ask Minnesota.
>
Yeah, right! What has Minnesota won? Hey, I like the VIkes, but make
sure you know what you talking about. The Niners are 12-2, best in
the NFL. They have the O & D to win, afterall, that is what counts!

>Another opinion: The difference between Dallas and SF at this point is that
>SF finds a way to pull it out every week, Dallas doesn't (not every week).
>
Finally a reality check! You've got that right! That is why Dallas will
lose, unless the FBGs intervene. Homey don't think so!

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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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From: rfedkiw@olympic.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Wild Card in Super Bowl ( was Redskins Repeat)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 10:04:58 GMT

In Article 41611, jason writes...

>i do not believe a wild card team has EVER made it to the superbowl...
>this would immediately disqualify a championship game between two
>wildcards... but i could be wrong on that... i don't know for sure if
>a wild card team has made it to the superbowl... i remember hearing a
>couple years ago that no AFC wildcard team has ever made it to the
>superbowl... but i am not so sure about the nfc...

I belive that the New England Patriots were a wild card team, and
made it to the '86 SuperBowl. 
As ~17 point underdogs, the lost to DA BEARS. 
And speaking of best teams ever. What about DA BEARS that year. 
--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.