HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: t-shirt idea
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:37:55 GMT

Ciaran McHale:
>>Speaking of bumperstickers, I'm going to repost this request, because I'm
>>still looking. I have a friend who has a friend who gave him a T-shirt he
>>bought in Chicago that says "Lick Bush in 92". If anyone knows a source
>>for bumperstickers with this slogan, please let me know.

I called People Like Us Books, and they have both the T-shirts and the
buttons (312-248-6363), but the woman I talked to didn't think there
_were_ bumper stickers.  

The real source, the Joan Jett Blakk campaign, doesn't have a phone
number; I called the _Windy City Times_ (one of the local GLB papers),
and the staff there is going to call Joan Jett Blakk herself and get
back to me.  (They wouldn't give me the phone number, which I understand,
but when I explained I was trying to locate this for someone in Dublin
they said they'd look into it.  Don't you love the net?  :-))

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: for play
Organization: Rational
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:30:57 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>In article <26778@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>>>huh! I masturbate as well as the next person |-)

>>Okay, a challenge.  The soc.bi self-pleasing marathon.

>Umm...Mike?  I'm a little handicapped here - I've got repetitive motion
>syndrome, and when I masturbate more than 5-6 times, my wrist hurts
>quite a bit.  Can I use mechanical devices?

Well electrical at least.  Although some of those old mechanical
vibrators in Good Vibes are a trip.  BTW whats your
favourite to masturbate to music.  I love Kingdom of Rain on Mindbomb
by The The.  

Iseult.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@ninja.osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: New bi newsletter (again)
Originator: alan@pluto.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:16:02 GMT

[Sent to soc.bi, BiAct-L, Bisexu-l, BiFem-l.]
(re-reposted because I told it to replace the price with a uuid.  *Sorry*)

CUBN has decided that their newsletter is good enough to let people
outside their community know about it.

| "The Bi Monthly" newsletter, published monthly by the Champaign-Urbana
| Bisexual Network, c/o McKinely Foundation, 809 South Fifth Street,
| Illinois 61820, USA.  1-year subscription (10 issues) US$10 (US$7 with
| valid University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign campus mail address.)

maso@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Maria Maso) writes:
> In each issue I try to include informative articles,
> local as well as national news, a book or film review, poetry, gossip
> (there is a local woman that writes a gossip column) and if we can get
> our act together an advice column.  We also include write ups of the
> discussion, a calendar of events, and a directory of local as well as
> nation bi/ bi friendly groups.
From: meriel@stein.u.washington.edu (Lisa The Drama Queen)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Two women please
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:34:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct17.033437.19541
Organization: University of Washington

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:

>andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel) writes:

>>This is a test, this is only a test.  Send some fluffies my way, please!

><pounce> I found a muffin!  And I can tell you she is tres cool.

rats, beat me to it.  oh, well, andrea, have some fluffies from me,
too!

lisa
>PS Andrea, I am not at all sure you *want* a reccommendation from me on
>this group.  They may think you are another raging feminazi lesbo dyke
>masquerading as a bisexual.  <grin> Oh I do love to stir .....

now, Iseult, I don't know about that...
 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Why can't I have two shoulders?
Summary: I don't know why hobbits is a keyword...
Keywords: bizarre, upset, hobbits
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:16:42 GMT

G'day marvelous people...


   Being comfortable with one's sexuality is something I have found extremely
important. I've been aware and comfortable of my bisexuality for a few years
now, and I try to be a good shoulder and ear for friends, particularly when
their problems spring from accepting what they truly feel...

   I have talked with someone on irc for a while who is having problems coming
to terms with his sexuality. He lives fairly close to where I do, he goes to
the same institution as I, and we have talked over the net pretty much every
day. He seemed to be making progress with coming to terms with being bisexual,
and I suggested we meet face to face. I feel it is silly to talk over a
computer when we are so close. I wasn't interested in him sexually at all, I
just thought he needed some sort of support through the difficult phase.

   Last night we decided to meet and get something to eat. Just as we were
teeing up out meeting, a friend appeared on irc, almost in tears over a very
real personal problem. He wanted to talk it over with me, but I made plans
to meet this person at the bar on compus and go to my place for something to
eat.

   The meeting was not a complete success. My confused friend found it hard
to talk to a real person about what we had discussed on irc, I did all the
talking, we walked back to my flat and he was just itching to leave. I went
through the letters I'd received and some phone messages, he flicked through
my record collection. He asked if he could leave, he felt too weird, I said
he could do as he pleased, I was always here for him to talk to. He left...

   I left a good friend in need to try and help someone who probably didn't
deserve my caring ears and shoulder. I really feel I have let someone down for
no real good reason. I don't think either person read this newsgroup, I don't
really know why I'm wasting bandwith sometimes. I just wish that I had two
shoulders...

Laurie 8
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Gay & Lesbian studies
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<Bvrs41.7ot@unix.amherst.edu>
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:05:36

Kat-

> Amherst College also offers a Gay and Lesbian Studies class. Actually,
> it's called The History of Sex, Gender, and the Family: Homosexual
> History in the West. So far no mention of Bi's either. I talked to the
> Professor, who is now my advisor and an out lesbian, about doing the
> final research paper on some aspect of bisexuality. She said I could
> but didn't advise it. She said people had tried in the past but it
> hadn't really worked out because of lack of information, basically.  I
> don't know. I still haven't decided whether or not to pursue it.

East Coast Bisexual Network's (ECBN) Bisexual Resource Center at
617-BIS-NOTE has the most extensive collection of bisexual material in
the world.  You might try that.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: I am not a bisexual!!!!
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:10:15 GMT

In article <67264@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
>
>So does this mean I am sexual, bisexual, gourmet sexual, wierd or just human.
>I am not even sure any of this makes any sense. It is just me, and my
>tuppense's worth.

Of course it makes no sense.  Human beings in general make no sense whatsoever,
and where sex is concerned that goes double.  Just relax and enjoy yourself
whatever you decide to do.  And stop trying to make sense of it all.
--scott
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:24:30 GMT

In <9228502.5896@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>> If you meet a Queer on the road, fuck em!
>
>Nah. Not good enough, Albert darls. My one isn't as succinct, but it goes:
>
>Smash your icon of Ciaran with an axe,

Of course, if/when the Edinburgh party photos make it onto an ftp site
then it is likely that any icons of me will be digitised images on
workstation screens. So if you really want to take an axe to the icon
(and I don't recommend it unless you can afford a new VDU) then make
sure you unplug the workstation first. Of course, it would be much
easier to simply the `quit' button on the image viewer and delete the
file. Cheaper too.

>burn your poster of Elf to finest ash,
>and hurl your Iseult statuette out the window.

Wha?... You mean that posters of Elf and ststuettes of Iseult are on
sale!?  Why wasn't I informed? Where can I buy them? Do they take credit
cards?

I can just imagine the advertising slogan:

	The Iseult Statuette---lovingly handcrafted out of a
	queen-sized, latex didlo. Crutch optional.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: A mate relates: Love the one you're with!
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:24:41 GMT

In <1992Oct11.112033.3850@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@stein.u.washington.edu
(Robert Jacobson) writes...

A wonderful article. Straight into the save-forever file.
Congratulations, Bob, to you and your mate.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Convo with cool friend.
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:23:43 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff) writes:

[gender-switching]
> Me:  Or maybe it's better to ask which gender of lover you think you'd take..
> Of course, I guess they could have been born the other sex too.. <giggle>
>  
> Him:  I'm really not sure... I think I'd have to try both of them...

This might be the situation in which we got to find out if sexuality is
ruled by attitudes or pheremones...

It's cool that your friend didn't freak, but then most people don't freak at
abstracts. Like all those people who say they don't mind queers, but wish 
they wouldn't be so obviously queer and in their faces?

Tanaqui
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Stonewall Postal Action Network---Letter No. 22
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:11:15 GMT


----cut here----

Background:
-----------

Recently, in Brighton, several gay and lesbian council employees and
tenants have attempted to set up an association for gay and lesbian
tenants. The group, Triangle, aims to offer support to isolated lesbians
and gay man and arrange social events. Triangle will also provide a
platform for those wishing to raise gay and lesbian issues with the
council. Triangle also wishes to work with the council to improve their
response to homophobic harassment. A leaflet stating these aims and
advertising the first four meetings was included in a general mailing to
all council tenants. A leaflet advertising a similar "Association of
Tenants with Disabilities" was also enclosed. The Leader of the Labour
Council, Cllr Steve Bassam, was informed of the inclusion of the leaflet
and ordered that it be removed. When challenged, his defense was that
Triangle had not observed proper council procedures. However, the
Association of Tenants with Disabilities had gone through the same
procedures yet their leaflet was not removed.

Target:
-------
TRIANGLE
c/o Tenant Participation
Housing Services
21--22 Old Steine
Brighton
EN1 1EL
England

Letter:
-------
Please write to Triangle to:

1. Express your support for their association.

2. Condemn the actions of Cllr Bassam and express anger and outrage at
   his obvious homophobia.

3. Urge them to demand that, in future, Brighton Council uphold its
   Equalities Policy, especially the Appendix on Lesbians and Gay Men.

4. Point out the hypocrisy of a council whose leader so blatantly
   ignores their own legislation and guidelines.

5. Encourage them to keep up their valuable work, pointing out that it
   is precisely the kind of homophobia shown by Cllr Bassam which
   creates the need for Triangle.


Suggestions
-----------

1. If possible, please send a copy of your letter to:
	Cllr Bassam
	Town Hall
	Bartholomew Square
	Brighton
	BN1 IJA
	England

2. Triangle is expecting to meet with the council within the next few
days so, please, send letters immediately.


Thank you for writing SPAN letter No. 22.

Austin Allen,
Wednesday 7 October 1992
----cut here----


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Femme/Butch in Bisexuality
Keywords: Femme Butch
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:12:02 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.180732.1318@rational.com> iw@Rational.COM (The_Virgin_Ho) writes:

>Weird ... you define the words butch and femme the same way I'd define the
>words bottom and top ... I suppose it depends on your background ... you're
>coming from a lesbian/bi-woman background (I think) ; I have no experience
>in that area, but am heavily into BDSM (well, intellectually at least) ...
>are you into BDSM (not a pick-up ... just trying to see what makes the
>difference between you and me that would make us use two different sets of
>labels to define the same thing).

I guess I really come from both backgrounds which is why I will often
define myself as a femme top ( though in reality I am a femme switch, 
I just say top so that people don't think I am just another powerless
woman).  I do see femme/butch being somewhat orthogonal to bottom/top.
But I agree, it does get confusing.  I guess the most difficult thing for
me to reconcile are butch bottoms, (I know quite a few, in fact truly
butch tops are rare, I find).  I am definitely femme, and often enjoy
topping.  I have not thought about the two in conjunction enough to
really decide if a femme tops in a different way to a butch.  I suspect
that I may be more into the image of myself topping, and do it in a 
more narcissistic (sp?) way than a butch.  I am very definitely not
"scene" enough to be able to tell what scene people perceive as the
differences.  Though there enough other people out there to help out
with this one :-)


I guess this brings me to another question!

I find that alot of butch people get off on what they perceive as the
power/control in being the giver.  Personally I never feel lacking
in power by being the receiver, in fact I often feel like the more
powerful one, because if I don't enjoy and express the enjoyment then
the giver has been entirely powerless in the situation.  Overall though
in vanilla sex at least, I don't really perceive any power/control issues.
Most butch people I know find the power/control issue a really important
one - what do you think.

Iseult.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: I am not a bisexual!!!! 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.000359.24332@rational.com> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>
>I am actually just a sexual, no sillies ... not asexual but a Sexual.  I am
>not actually attracted to any gender, or any person.  I simply enjoy the
>occasional bit of sex.  It seems to have nothing to do with the gender or
>indeed the person. 

A good point.  Being bisexual is limiting.  Being polysexual or multisexual
sounds too open-ended.  Being omnisexual is much too tiring, and being
transsexual stands out too much at the office.  I'm not well-endowed enough
to be macrosexual, and too well-defined to be amorphosexual.  So I think I
shall choose to be Sexual as well.
--scott
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: out (on the net)
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:05:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Oct15.130511.2268
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Oct14.190430.21531@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman ) writes:
> So, here I am.  This group has been one of the most frendly places on the
> net, so I think I really belong here.  << e-hugs >> to all.

 Yay! And many welcoming **hugs,snuggles,and other such neat things**


-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ellen's Pix...
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:27:22 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace the adorable) wrote...
>>Look, I have a copy of the pictures here with me, I've been too busy 
>>firefighting my problems to properly do anything with them and I feel 
>>guilty hoarding them, Ellen, can I give them to anyone you would want 
>>them to go to? Would Bethan want them? or Angi or Colin or Tanaqui or
>>....?
 
> My only suggestion is that since Sara has a set, you may want to choose
> someone who is a bit further south than Edinburgh (while still staying
> on the same island.)

Hmm. I have a set. The problem is in persuading someone in that nice
Engineering building (like that nice person who made JPEG files of the GCR
collage showing Phillip Schofield & Jason Donovan, alleged heterosexual, in
a fisting session.). Mm.

Tanaqui
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:04:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.133147.11002@news.acns.nwu.edu> 
Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>Some areas that come to mind where "clumps" bisexuals have been observed:
> - Neo-pagan circles
> - Sci-fi fandom
> - The polyamorous, "swingers"
> - FurryMUCK 

Also, gamers (distinct from sci-fi, please).
And small clumps of bi's have been observed on the various Pern-based MUSHes.

-jenneke/Doriana, rider of green Tayefeth

My biggest budget problem is food:
My stomach wants four meals a day.
My budget wants two.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@ellis.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Femme/Butch in Bisexuality
Keywords: Femme Butch 
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.180732.1318@rational.com> iw@Rational.COM (The_Virgin_Ho) writes:

>I prefer to define femme and butch 
>along the following lines:
>
>Femmes enjoy attention, like admiration, like to be on display and 
>love their reflection in others eyes. Femmes like to feel sexy and 
>draw attention to that part of themselves. Very importantly Femme 
>has an erotic identity, femmes give pleasure by receiving pleasure, 
>enjoying their lovers enjoyment of them. Essentially femmes make 
>a gift of their pleasure but in a very active way.
>
>Butches like to dress up, but it is in a very different way. They like 
>to look sharp, but don't put themselves on display in the same way 
>femmes do. They like to see themselves as being the ones in con
>trol. Erotically, they get a lot of pleasure through giving pleasure, 
>through seeing their effect on their partners. 
>
EEEEK!  By your definition, I'm butch!  (Except occasionally I dress femme).
But also, aren't there butches who are sexually "passive" or "receptive"?

> So why I have told you all this? I would like to know if anybody out 
> there has thought about this in regard to themselves and their own 
> attractions. Do you maybe find butch women attractive and femme 
> men attractive? Or vice versa. Or do you find your own kind attrac
> tive, or the opposite. Does any of it even make any sense to you?
>
> Finally some real life examples - I was looking at MTV recently 
> and would have to say that examples of classic femmes are 
> Madonna and Prince. Michael Hutchence looks kind of femme to 
> me. KD Lang is definitely butch, so is Melissa Etheridge (despite 
> the fact that her record company has her in femme drag at the 
> moment). Obviously this is all pretty arbitrary - but I thought it 
> might help if I gave some real life examples, so that you could think 
> of it as separate from lesbian.

Out of this list, I'd pick Prince and kd lang.  Madonna is fun, but I
liked her better plumper and brunette.
>
>
> Iseult.
>



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm back, I'm back, I'm back!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:17:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <Bw23nG.J6E@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
->After a year's absence, I announce my return to the virtual world.

Cool! Yeay! Welcome back!

Now, since I'm a relative newbie here, who are you?
I mean, you must be cool ... Ciaran likes you ...
And Ciaran is a soc.bi authority ...
*grin* 

*hugs*
-roy
-- 
Roy S. Rapoport         rsr@soda.berkeley.edu          bi-bdsm@ocf.berkeley.edu
   "The things that seem beautiful, inspiring, and life-affirming to me seem
    ugly, hateful, and ludicrous to most other people." -Pat Califia, _M_S_
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
From: rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Muffins?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 06:47:27 GMT
Organization: My first post to someone else demuffining
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Oct15.174654.283@lincoln.ac.nz> adden@lincoln.ac.nz writes:
>Hello Possums..... What the hell are Muffins, I know the eating kind. But some
>Fellow SOC.BIer's keep talking about Muffins. Please enlighten a young and
>totally confused Bisexual Gay fag hag on MUFFFINS
>
>
>Arrrggghhhhh.....
>
>	Andrew Denley
>	CCB
>	Lincoln University
>	New Zealand
>
>*HUGS* & *LICKERS*
>
> 
	Welcome to Soc.bi, I hope you enjoy the stay.  

<pounce>
*Hugs* *kisses* <slurpe>

	Hmm...that was fun.  
				Enjoy,
					Robert

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