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From: 8942227g@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.system
Subject: Re: MUD restricted (was "to concerned net users")
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:46:44 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <19012.2ae6dee2@levels.unisa.edu.au>, Rollo.Ross@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
> In article <19008.2ae5c298@levels.unisa.edu.au>, Rollo.Ross@levels.unisa.edu.au
> writes:
>> To "concerned net users (anonymous)": 
>> 	I have received your message and I am waiting to get in touch with the 
>> person you suggest.
>> 
> 	The previous message was an acknowledgement to some students who left 
> me an anonymous note saying they were experienced MUDders who were concerned at
> the excessive amount of MUD activity over the last few weeks. According to the
> note, they feared that this would provoke stronger restrictions, presumably
> ones which would inconvenience them. They said they have arranged for the 
> popular Australian MUD site (ASYLUM at the Northern Territory University) to
> prevent access from University of South Australia machines. 
> 	The administrator of ASYLUM (who is a student with no official 
> standing at their University) confirms that he is blocking access from 
> UniSA. 
> 	This has resulted in a downturn in the MUD activity here. However, I 
> notice that some users are now using overseas MUD sites, a much more serious 
> matter in view of the load it puts on the expensive international data link.
> We are currently investigating ways of controlling this sort of activity, and 
> other misuse of AARNet which is causing concern. 
> 
>                                     Rollo Ross, Network Manager (CLW campuses)
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From: 8942227g@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.system
Subject: Re: Stop playing MUD!
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:58:30 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <18984.2ae3b9fa@levels.unisa.edu.au>, Rollo.Ross@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

Stuff about Mud abuse deleted...

>       We are now getting serious about this. The AARNet authorities have in
> the past disconnected a University which caused excessive traffic through
> inappropriate activities, and we cannot afford to have this happen to us.
> Anyone - student, staff or other - using AARNet for MUD or similar activities
> from UniSA equipment runs the risk of severe penalties if caught, and we will
> be watching closely in an attempt to stamp it out. If this misuse continues,
> we will be seriously considering blocking AARNet access from all but a few
> systems on which users are properly identified. This will cause inconvenience
> for many users, but may be necessary to comply with our AARNet obligations.
>       Please help us stamp out inappropriate use of our AARNET connection.
> --                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                     Rollo Ross, Network Manager (CLW campuses)
>
> Computer Centre,  University of South Australia, The Levels, SA 5095, Australia
> Ph +61 8 302 3158 Fax 302 3385 DTE 505282622004  Rollo.Ross@Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au

What is considered appropriate or allowed on the AARNet?  I agree that there
is a problem with people using FTP to overseas sites at times when others are
trying to do serious work.  What actually happens with people using the net,
especially for ftping purposes?  Does it clog up the lines to that site and this
site or to the entire network.  I am currently under the idea that it works like
phone lines between sites, rather than a communications grid or something.  Is
this the case?  I admit that I've used FTP but only at times when it's off peak,
say after 6 or 7.00.  I also try (and hope) that it's at times when the site
isn't being used, as most sites seem to be universities.

How does the net actually work?

Paul Utry

(What's a sig. anyhow? :-) )

P.S.  The site at Zurich only lets 5 people on at a time.  Does this mean the
line to zurich is comparatively free of anonymous FTP'ers?
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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Maximum Wage Sux
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:37:15 +1030
Organization: That damn kid is still here!

In article <1992Nov1.020020.20453@u.washington.edu>,
tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>>>If they have a maximum wage, they are simply going to work less each year.
>>>Do you really think it would be a good idea to have a system that in
>>>effect tells the most productive people to *stop* working?
>>
>>     I believe the effect he'd be looking for would be not to limit the
>>hours they could work, but forcibly lower their hourly wage, therefore
>>getting the same amount of work out of them for less money.
> 
> I think the result would be that they would switch from hourly contracts
> to fixed bid contracts.  Instead of saying "I'll save your ass three weeks
> before Comdex for $80/hr" they'll instead say "I'll save your ass for
> $20K".  To get his effect, he's going to have to make it a cap on yearly
> income, which would make the most productive people work less.
> 
> Actually, I think he even admitted that (perhaps it was in another
> posting on the same topic).  He said that it should be done by making
> the marginal tax rate 100% for income about 80K, which seems to indicate
> they were thinking of it as being an income cap rather than an hourly
> rate cap.

It woould still result in greatly reducing productivity.

How is this stupid scheme going to cope with people who have two
different consulting jobs; each gets less than the $80k cut off
(say $65k a peice) but their sum is more than $80k. The jerks would
have to either limit one job per person (which would be a bummer
to people with two part time jobs), limit total weekly hours
(remember that alot of execs put in more than 60hours a week, so
that would create problems) or totally cap off the extra money, which
as you have said will result in them saying to themselves 'why do
work that now get's me an extra $15k when it use to get me $80k?'.

The top executives get so much becasue there's less of them around,
simple supply and demand. More people should be trying to get these
jobs and not being content with lever pulling (' Son yer don't need
no fancy eddikashin ' - yes I know the education budget cuts are
absolutely inexcusable).

In short, the maximum wage theory is a pile of crap and should be
left to the market. If they want exec salaries to come down and
blue collars to get more then lets have less blue collar workers
and more executives. Simple, but for those stupid budget cuts....

(me: capitalist ; yes : conservative ; NO #$%!^& WAY!)
-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
Any email can be posted unless I state explicitly otherwise.
+-----------------------------------------------------+    ________
|  Obligatory disclaimer: UniSA hates my opinions...  |  \/Darwin o\
+-----------------------------------------------------+  /\________/
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. Marquis
#! rnews 2426
From: marwk@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.cis.prog.c.05286
Subject: Arguments FOR a CLOSED BOOK exam
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:58:48 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

There are a small number of students who are attempting to have the exam
made open book.

There are several reasons why this is harmful to the majority of students,
and I suggest that those of you who understand my reasons below, talk some
sense into the individuals in the minority group.

1. If the exam becomes open book, then the questions will not be ones that
   you have seen before, but test your understanding of the material.

2. At present you know what the programming questions are going to be -
   that will NOT be the case if the exam is made open book.

   I have been VERY explicit in what questions I will ask and there is no
   point asking these questions if all you have to do is copy them from the
   book!!  Therefore I would have to change and/or modify the questions so
   that none of them come directly from the book.

3. No matter how well you do in the exam there is (almost) always scaling
   done on the marks - for example, if in a given class all the students get
   over 75% then the exam will be considered to have been too easy and the
   students on 75% will probably be scaled to a pass, so as to make them
   comparable to other classes: this is a fairly universal policy all around
   the world.  That is, there will always be a spread of marks in the end
   in a large class, so all that matters is how much you know relative to
   everyone else in the class.

Open book exams are much harder than closed book exams, even for those
who have done the work.

I have chosen a closed book exam and told you what the questions were to
make it easy for you to focus on certain parts of the subject.

What you will gain on the swings you will lose on the roundabouts.

Those who do not know the subject well will have to have a greater understanding
of the material rather than using memory if the format of the exam is changed.


--
Raymond Kennington
LECTURER
University of South Australia   | Act in haste and repent at leisure
P.O. Box 1                      | Code too soon and debug forever
Ingle Farm                      | Knobs, knobs everywhere,
South Australia                 |              just vary a knob to think!
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From: ccdps@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.forsale
Subject: 6 seat Falcon - $4950 - Adelaide
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:23:02 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

Legal six-seater Falcon GL for sale, white with red striping. Factory skirt
at the front. Two owners since new. Very clean, tidy, reliable. 1983 XE model.

$4950 or offers. Contact this email address or (08) 302 3479.

--
 Dan Shearer                        email: Dan.Shearer@UniSA.edu.au
 Information Technology Branch      Phone: +61 8 302 3479
 University of South Australia      Fax  : +61 8 302 3385
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From: ccdps@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.forsale
Subject: cancel <19216.2afa1d56@levels.unisa.edu.au>
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:23:56 +1030
Control: cancel <19216.2afa1d56@levels.unisa.edu.au>

cancel <19216.2afa1d56@levels.unisa.edu.au>
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From: ccdps@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.forsale
Subject: White Falcon 6-seat waggon, $4950, Adelaide
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:28:41 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

Six-seater Falcon wagon, white with red pinstriping. Beige interior. Only
two owners since it was new, which explains why this car is neat, tidy and
reliable because it has been well maintained. We are selling because we have
bought a 1990 model, not because the 1983 XE is shot!

For $4950 or so you can see I want to sell as soon as possible. Contact
me on this email address or else phone (08) 302 3479, where you can leave a
a voicemail message if I am not in. Alternatively, you can fax a note
to (08) 369 9529.

--
 Dan Shearer                        email: Dan.Shearer@UniSA.edu.au
 Information Technology Branch      Phone: +61 8 302 3479
 University of South Australia      Fax  : +61 8 302 3385
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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: The Religious Right Must Be Destroyed
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:31:38 +1030
Organization: That damn kid is still here!

In article <1d2indINN1ko@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes:
> jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:
> 
>>We cannot allow them to take over this country like they have the
>>Republican party.
> 
> Then Join the Atheist Left!  ;-)
> 
> Actually, I think it's good that the Republicans be associated with a
> bunch of loonies like these bozos in the Religious Right.  If the RNC
> leadership hadn't have gotten in bed with them to capture votes in the
> first place, they wouldn't be in the power position they're in now.
> And when regular God-Fearing folk begin to realize what their
> leadership goals are, it will be the Republicans who will take the
> blame.

I think the orgiginal postor has a problem with definitions
here. When most people say the 'right wing' they usually mean
dogmatic conservatives. It just so happens that in the West,
conservatives are mostly Protestants, so to try to keep the
people's support they try to use the old USSR as a kind of
proof that atheists are property-stealing baby-murdering left
wingers (see Pat Robertson's anti-feminist spew) and now that
the 'evil' communists are no longer in power the religious are
coming out in droves.

May I remind people that a number of British unions (such as the
damned luddites R Murdoch had to put up with) declared themselves
as 'Christian Socialists'.
(From 'The End of the Street', can't remember name of female author)

Your average Catholic layman usually votes for a left-leaning
party, to the point (in Australia) there was a definate takeover
of the leftwing Australian Labour Party by catholics early this
century.

I am an atheist, but I am also a right-leaning capitalist. There
is NO WAY that I can be considered a conservative. I listen to
heavy metal - does that make me a screaming satanist?? NO! So
why should someone who is religious assumed to be a right winger?
-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
Any email can be posted unless I state explicitly otherwise.
+-----------------------------------------------------+    ________
|  Obligatory disclaimer: UniSA hates my opinions...  |  \/Darwin o\
+-----------------------------------------------------+  /\________/
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. Marquis
#! rnews 1700
From: Rollo.Ross@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.system
Subject: AARNet access from PC/Mac pools
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:13:32 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

           The University of South Australia has received an increasing
number of complaints from Network Managers in other organisations about the
behaviour of some PC/Mac users here. Users taking advantage of the
anonymity of PCs have been connecting to systems elsewhere in the world
and doing such  things as sending forged mail messages, writing data to FTP
areas made available for legitimate users on computers in other
organisations, and playing games which place considerable load on networks
and facilities elsewhere. As a result of these activities, some
organisations have put filters in place to keep out traffic from
University of South Australia systems. Our reputation is suffering as a
result. 
	To prevent further abuse of this sort, we have implemented 
filtering in our connection to AARNet which prevents external access from 
machines in the PC and Mac pools. Legitimate users of external facilities 
can still use them, by first logging on to a system which has identifiable 
users, such as the Unix or VMS systems supported by the Information 
Technology Branch (eg, lux, ntx, hopper, zorba, or one of the Levels 
VAXes) and then connecting to the external system. 
	The Manager: Information Technology (John Lockwood) has sent a
letter to Deans and Heads of Schools, explaining the reason for the
restrictions, and posters are being displayed in the pools to help users 
cope with the restrictions. 

							Rollo Ross
#! rnews 2635
From: Rollo.Ross@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.system
Subject: Re: Stop playing MUD!
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:30:55 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <19210.2af97ce6@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 8942227g@levels.unisa.edu.au
writes:

> What is considered appropriate or allowed on the AARNet?  
	The AARNet Acceptable Use Policy says "Traffic originating from peer 
academic and research networks which conforms to the originating networks' 
acceptable use policies is in general considered acceptable traffic to be 
carried over AARNet." In other words, for our students, it's for approved 
academic work only. 

> I agree that there is a problem with people using FTP to overseas sites at
> times when others are trying to do serious work.  
	FTP isn't necessarily frivolous - it can be used for serious work.
We are taking steps to cut down the amount of inappropriate FTP (and other)
activities so that serious users are less inconvenienced.

> What actually happens with people using the net, especially for ftping
> purposes?  Does it clog up the lines to that site and this site or to the
> entire network.  
	The network is basically organised as a tree structure. The three 
universities in SA connect to a router in the city. The Adelaide router, along 
with those in other capitals, connects to a router in Melbourne. The Melbourne 
router connects (indirectly) to a router in the US, and so on. The "site at 
Zurich" which you referred to is 21 hops away - 21 communications links, each 
with a limited capacity and the potential to become a bottleneck. In 
Australia, the international link is the one that causes most concern, 
because it is very busy and very expensive to expand. Individual sites may be 
more concerned about their connection to their local router, as some of these 
are relatively slow and could be flooded with traffic if someone offers a 
popular service at that site. Our connection to the Adelaide router runs at 10
million bits per second (10 Mbps), but the links between our campuses are
"only" 2 Mbps.

> I admit that I've used FTP but only at times when it's off peak, say after 
> 6 or 7.00.  I also try (and hope) that it's at times when the site
> isn't being used, as most sites seem to be universities.
	Don't forget the effect of timezone differences. Many sites discourage 
public access connections from the network during their local working hours. 

	                                    Rollo Ross
#! rnews 2181
From: marwk@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.cis.prog.f.02462
Subject: PRACTICAL 6: Solutions
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:36:14 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

Programming (FORTRAN): Answers


      PROGRAM TEMP

      REAL INPUT_TEMP, F, C
      CHARACTER UNITS

      F(T) = 9*T/5 + 32

      C(T) = 5*(T-32)/9

      PRINT 100, 'Enter the temperature: '
  100 FORMAT('$', A)
      READ *, INPUT_TEMP

      PRINT 100, 'Enter the units (F or C): '
      READ 200, UNITS
  200 FORMAT(A1)

      IF (UNITS .EQ. 'F' .OR. UNITS .EQ. 'f') THEN
          PRINT 300, INPUT_TEMP, C(INPUT_TEMP)
  300     FORMAT('0', F6.1,'F = ', F6.1,'C')
      ELSE IF (UNITS .EQ. 'C' .OR. UNITS .EQ. 'c') THEN
          PRINT 400, INPUT_TEMP, F(INPUT_TEMP)
  400     FORMAT('0', F6.1,'C = ', F6.1,'F')
      ELSE
          PRINT *, 'Error: invalid unit type - must F or C'
      ENDIF

      END

***************************************************************

      PROGRAM CYLINDER

      REAL D,H, CIRCUMFERENCE, PI
      PARAMETER (PI = 3.1415927)

      CIRCUMFERENCE(D) = PI * D

      PRINT *, 'Measurements of Right Circular Cylinders'

      PRINT 100, 'Enter the DIAMETER: '
  100 FORMAT('$', A)
      READ *, D

      PRINT 100, 'Enter the HEIGHT: '
      READ *, H

      PRINT *, 'Circumference = ', CIRCUMFERENCE(D)

      PRINT *, 'Surface area  = ', SURFACE_AREA(D,H)

      CALL CALC_AND_DISPLAY_VOLUME(D,H)

      END

      REAL FUNCTION SURFACE_AREA(D,H)
      REAL D,H
      REAL PI
      PARAMETER (PI = 3.1415927)

      SURFACE_AREA = 2 * PI * (D/2)**2 + PI * (D/2) * H
      END

      SUBROUTINE CALC_AND_DISPLAY_VOLUME(D,H)
      REAL D,H
      REAL PI, VOLUME
      PARAMETER (PI = 3.1415927)

      VOLUME = PI * (D/2) ** 2 * H
      PRINT *, 'Volume        = ', VOLUME

      END
--
Raymond Kennington
LECTURER
University of South Australia   | Act in haste and repent at leisure
P.O. Box 1                      | Code too soon and debug forever
Ingle Farm                      | Knobs, knobs everywhere,
South Australia                 |              just vary a knob to think!
#! rnews 10093
From: marwk@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.cis.prog.c.05286
Subject: OPEN BOOK now: materials permitted
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:59:02 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

The EXAM in Programming C is now OPEN BOOK.

You may take into the examination:

    1. lecture material
    2. notes of your own
    3. solutions to practicals.
    4. the text book


--
Raymond Kennington
LECTURER
University of South Australia   | Act in haste and repent at leisure
P.O. Box 1                      | Code too soon and debug forever
Ingle Farm                      | Knobs, knobs everywhere,
South Australia                 |              just vary a knob to think!
#! rnews 2136
From: etac@levels.unisa.edu.au (Andrew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Remote shell problems. HELP!!!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:18:50 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

I've been running 2.03 for sometime slowly solving my problems as they
occur (if I can).  I've now run accross a problem with rsh that I can't
seem to solve.  It has also highlited a problem with the shells that I
also have been unable to solve.

what I trying to do is use rsh to open a login session on another
station and have an xterm (or anything else) open up on my Amiga.
This works Ok.  However each rsh I use generates two processes, one of
which is always <defunct>.  The other process get a very low priority and
remains runnable, even when there is no i/o activity for the rsh.
Conequently every rsh usesup CPU time doing apparently nothing until I
close the login session.

Interestingly enough the rsh shells I normally ativate from the standard
shell (sh).  If I use csh or tcsh to start the rsh from I still get the
two processes as before but the rsh processes use little or no CPU time.
(the process status is indicated by a 'T' rather than 'R'

So I thought to resolve the situation I'd change some of my scripts to
use csh or tcsh instead.   This I could do.  The easiest way to switch
, I thought ,  was to use the convention of  #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/csh
to indicate the shell that should be used.   However I can't seem
to get this to work.

I have a sh script 'test' with #!/bin/sh on the first line. It has execute
privelege set.  I type 'test' at the prompt of csh or tcsh it SHOULD start
up a sh shell and run the script.  However all I actually get is the
prompt back. It doesn't even execute it as a csh script.  It just does
nothing. If I use 'csh test' or 'source test' it just run the script
as if it were an csh script.

Question: Does anyone know what is going on?
          Is it a problem I'm able to fix?

DON"T anyone tell me to get 2.1 !!!!  I would it I could !!!!
   It's still not available here !!!

Thanks

Andrew Chalmers.
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