HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Please wear a helmet
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:32:57 GMT
	<1992Jul26.012957.17632@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of 26 Jul 92 01:29:57 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Jul 92 01:29:57 GMT, car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) said:
car> Properly fitted and used helmets work, often in spectacular fashion.
car> Helmet laws demonstrably don't.  If those pushing for helmet laws

I strive to NOT take a position on helmet laws, but I do follow the
arguments both for and against as time permits.  The last word I had
regarding studies on the effectiveness of helmet laws was the GAO
report - which concluded that helmet LAWS are reasonably effective in
both increasing helmet use AND reducing head injury.  This study team
did no new research of its own, rather it compiled and analyzed the
sum total of reports in this area and attempted to validate the
statistical methods used.  Studies passing validity criterea were
retained, others were thrown out.  I read the report and had no
objection to their methods, their conclusions appear both reasonable
and valid.  I saw no indication that the position or conclusions of
the research influenced its selection, just the methods used.

The most convincing arguments AGAINST helmet LAWS I have heard revolve
around the issue of personal freedom.  I can formulate a lot of laws
that will save lives and reduce injuries given the opportunity to
dictate lifestyle and remove freedoms.  That does not mean that these
would be "good" laws, even though they would "work".  Your claim that
"Helmet laws demonstrably don't" (sic) work indicates that you have
information I don't.  I am very interested in hearing support for your
allegation that helmet laws are ineffective (as opposed to
undesirable/oppressive).  If this topic is not of interest to others,
we can certainly take it "off-line".

--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>      "Have you hugged the curves today?"
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.              MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Opinions re: Slick 50
Keywords: Slick
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:47:29 GMT
Reply-To: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <l7eekhINNp2s@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> place@ussc0.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Does anyone have any experience with Slick 50 in motorcycles? Does it improve mileage,
>engine life, etc as they claim?
>
>Any and all email replies appreciated. I'm new to this article posting stuff, and
>just got back into biking after moving to the US 7 years ago (from UK).
>-PL 

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From devnull!cs.utexas.edu!chinacat!zx11!joe Tue Jul 21 10:36:25 CDT 1992
Article 572 of tx.motorcycles:
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lost it in the clutch...
Date: 28 Jul 1992 17:57:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Jul27.202306.9769@cs.ucf.edu> cash@eola.cs.ucf.edu (Gene Cash) writes:
>
>
> [Gene describes a case of loose clutch bolts]
>
>The "Clymer's" manual only says to torque the bolts to 15-25 ft/lbs (don't
>remember the exact number, but it seems low) and says nothing at all about
>using threadlock.   It looks like if I "torque 'em down" the little
>aluminium spacers will get crushed.  For an instant, I thought of
>safety-wiring the damn things, but then sanity returned.

 Well.. the Clymer's is in the ballpark. On my 750, the torque spec
 is 4-6ft/lbs (aluminum bolts). On my 400, it's closer to 10-12ft/lbs.

 I would err on the side of less torque (like set it to 10ft/lbs and
 go with that). 15-25 is extremely high unless you're clutch basket
 is steel. If it is, and the bolts are at least 8mm it's probably a
 good value.

 Never, ever, apply a threadlock compound to a steel bolt going into
 aluminum. A very bad idea.

 Just make sure that you clean the threads thoroughly of any foreign
 matter, degrease them (and the basket threads if you can) and assemble
 dry. Tighten the bolts in a star pattern (as you would the lug nuts
 on your car wheels). Set your torque wrench to 4, then 8, then 12ft/lbs
 (or some similar progression). You want to increase the torque on
 the bolts gradually and in a distributed fashion.

 Why don't you just plan on checking it every time you change your
 oil if you're nervous.

 My 750 has to have its bolts tightened after every race (not surprising
 with 5ft/lbs of force securing them). The 400 will go a half a season
 with no tightening (and it's only torqued a bit higher).

 YMMV.

 Stef
 

--
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs         me: (415) 599-4876  me at them: (415) 688-9400  
dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting technical writing firm) 
AMA/CCS #5, Regional Lightweight Supersport, Superbike, Grand Prix Champion
mail:  race-request@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM to join motorcycle roadracing list
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Re: Wet, Tired and Home!
Reply-To: mf@dancer.UUCP ()
Organization: On the Road
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:28:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.161542.16971@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>Nothing beats riding long distances in the rain, except perhaps doing
>much of it at night.
>
>......  Marc (the brain :-( ) suggested that we take I-66 east to DC
>and then do I-95 back to NJ instead of staying on I-81 to I-78.  We
>enjoyed traffic, unmarked pavement, uneven pavement, a sign that said
>"Loose Gravel" and more asshole cages than you could flip the bird at.
>.....

	Hey, it was the 'other' Mark that suggested this (and so
I guess the lesson learned is: Pump about 20 or so beers in -Roid 
he'll ride just about anywhere the next day!)

>*I* made it.  Marc did you make it?  What about you Tim?  Was it the
>...

	I made it! after missing my exit in NJ and adding about 1 1/2 hours
to my trip in hard rain, unlit roads, and pavement that has been beaten to 
death by truckers. (I got in at 12:30 am!)
After that trip home I feel that I can attempt anything now!
(Tim? anyone see Tim?)

>Thanks to Ed for running the whole thing, thanks to Tim for putting us
>up on the way down, thanks to everyone for singing "Happy Birthday"
>saturday night (it was my 32nd), thanks to Marc for taking the lead so I 
>could veg-out, thanks to that asshole taxi on the beltway near DC for not 
>killing us and thanks to my HD for not breaking down.

	Thanks again to Ed and Tim too! 
It was a fun time and great to meet the people behind those .sigs.

Marc
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: The First Annual DoD Right Coast Ride comes to pass...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:46:02 GMT

In article <weRIPN_00WBMA1Kq4q@andrew.cmu.edu> "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    Some observations:
>
>Ed Green was the only person who looked like I actually pictured him.  I
>am not sure yet if this is a complement.
>
HEY!  That was my line, damnit!

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "Nothing is as over rated as a bad fuck or as       | '81 CB750C            |
| under rated as a good shit" -Laszlo Nemeth, DoD #666| '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: EX500s and traffic
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:39:32 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Ed Computing Network

In article <1992Jul28.051306.11622@wixer.cactus.org> lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>
>Congrats on your EX.  My EX is my first "real bike", too, and it's been nothing
>but fun for the few months I've had it.  I'll be curious to see how long it
>takes you to want something bigger, though... I've got my eye on a new ZX-6
>these days (no flames, please, I've realized these things aren't horribly
>popular, but I like it, so pffffft!).

Me too.  I've got almost 18,000 miles on my '89 EX.  I haven't posted in
about a year and a half (not much to say), so I'll restate that it's all
black (no decals), and I stripped the paint off the wheels so they look
like the 600's with the chrome outside and Kawasaki Green inside.  Tank
Bra by Targa, Cobra Trapshooter, Vance & Hines pipe, K&N and Dynojet
equipped.  I love it, and it will go vertical even at low rpm's.

>Say, wanna buy an aftermarket pipe?  I recently went back to the stockers
>from the Kerker Whitetip that was on the bike when I bought it.  It makes
>better high-end power, but is loooooud...

The first time I heard my Vance & Hines 2-into-1, I immediately looked
in the box to see if I missed a part!  It's loud!  That thumpy twin is
really nasty, but I can tolerate the exhaust note from 7,000rpm to redline.


Clint

(My first post here in a LONG time.  I guess the cycle urge never really
leaves you, though.  I'm hooked once again!)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: Why have 2 throttle cables?
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com's message of 23 Jul 92 13:38:31 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
	<l6pe28INNr05@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
	<1992Jul22.143202.22594@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
	<1992Jul22.195149.7573@ncsu.edu>
	<1992Jul23.133831.25811@javelin.sim.es.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:40:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.133831.25811@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>>(2) How old is this particular DOT regulation?  Is it *very* recent?
>>    My '79 XS1100SF has "cable-to-open/spring-to-close", just as all my
>>    previous motorcycles have had.

> FWLIW (for what little it's worth :-), my '78 GS1000E, '82 DR250 and
> '91 FJ1200 all have a dual cable pull-pull setup. The two Suzukis have
> normal carbs, and the FJ has CV carbs.

Don't know nothin bout no DOT rules.

But the first bike that I recall that had the dual cables was the
Honda CB750K1.  Seems they had some difficulties with the K0
sticking open for the new design on the straight four gang carb
setup.  For you wee lads out there, this was the bike that
cinched the Jap conquest of the motorcycle market.  The 450 got
people's attention, but the 750 made them believers.  My brother
had a 750K0 and several of the other Ks down the line, and I've
still got a 450K5 somewhere in the garage under the other rubble.
--
----
Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeff@MicroUnity.com (Jeff 'Giga-hurts' Kaskey)
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:45:07 GMT

In article <9900936@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:

|> THE STORY (Very condensed.)
[even more so, now]

|> The unhelmeted motorcyclist had been riding along and had hit and killed
|> a (big) deer. She had head, neck and probably spinal injuries. 
 
|> SOME THOUGHTS ON EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT
 [...some very good thoughts and ideas about being prepared...]

|> SOME THOUGHTS ON HELMETS
   [...uh oh...]
|> Frankly, MY first reaction was not of compassion
|> but was of rage. HOW COULD SHE BE SO ALMIGHTY STUPID TO BE RIDING WITHOUT
|> A HELMET!!!!!

A helmet helps not a whit in spinal injuries. In both neck and spine
injuries, helmets have been cited for causing or excacerbating damage.
She may well be alive today because she WASN'T wearing a helmet.

|> When you reject the "cost to society" argument, please remember that you
|> are also spitting in the face of suddenly involved strangers who will be 
|> inconvenienced by your decision.  

Had she been wearing a helmet and died of a snapped neck, her "cost to
society" might have been lower.  I assume that this is not what you are
advocating.

You might include in your LIST OF THINGS TO CARRY, a saw for cutting the
helmet off of accident victims.  Otherwise what are you going to do when
the next downed bro or sis has critically impaired breathing inside that
"protective" shoei fullface?

|> Ride Safe,
|> Ron Miller

Ride Smart
tfk
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:24958 rec.autos:18586
From: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.autos
Subject: Battery sulfation question
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:50:07 GMT
Reply-To: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I'm "debugging" an electrical problem in my 1985 Honda V65 Sabre
(that's a motorcycle for all you rec.auto readers).  The first step is
to make sure the battery is O.K.  The specific gravity indicates
overcharging and the voltage is 12.5 V.  However, there is evidence of
sulfation in 2 of the 6 cells.  White stuff on the plates is visible
through the plastic -- about an inch, at the bottom, in a 6 inch tall
battery, in 2 of the the 6 cells.

The shop manual says that the battery should be replaced if it shows
evidence of sulfation.  Are there any experts out there who know if
replacement is really necessary?  Is sulfation just a warning sign
that it will be unable to hold a charge sometime in the future, or
does sulfation prevent the battery from delivering the charge it
contains?  I'd rather not spend $75 on a new battery unless there's a
good chance that this is the problem.  I've bought new batteries in
the past only to find out they weren't the problem.

-- David

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject: Re: How's the winter in North Carolina ?
Organization: The World Bank
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.165038.16782@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> sproulx@bmtlh182.BNR.CA
(Stephane Proulx) writes:
>
>I should go on a 4 months stage in NC this winter.
>I was expecting to bring my bike but I read a post
>about storing a bike for winter by a guy from NC !?!
>
>Can anybody tell me about the weather in NC during 
>the months of november-december-january-february ?
>
>Thanx
>
>Steph 
>
I used to live in southern Va/extreme northern NC...the winters are very
mild..once in a while you'll get an inch or two of snow but it's rare.  Mostly
the weather's COLD (30F - 0F) and chill factor can be in the teens.
I used to ride all winter for the 5 years I was down there, I think there
was only a total of one whole week during the entire 5 years that I could
not ride because of snow/sleet/ice etc.
-aki

*************************************************************************
                                       *
-aki                                   *   A tank of gas, a pair of
DoD#0628                               *   gloves, a helmet on my
------------------------               *   head and a motor between
Disclamer: Comments are my             *   my legs..folks, it don't git
own..my employer doesn't               *   no bettern' this....
understand them...                     *
*************************************************************************
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: misc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:58:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.183321.10576@ohrd.uucp>, ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
> Newbie Relative Drags Feet
> --------------------------
> 
> I arranged the sale of a friend's 78 KZ400 to my SO's brother in law,
> a psychologist, last year in April. He finally got it safety certified (no 
> problem), plated and insured last week. He got a 60-day learner's permit 
> and is now riding around with no training, going no faster than 60 km/h, 
> dragging his feet for ten feet before coing to a stop and ingoring our 
> pleas to take a course. Says he has no time. He's 50 and should know better,
> but how do we convince him to sign up? I'd hate to bear the guilt of his kid

      Maybe arrange lunch with him, a few of your friends, and their worst
horror stories ?  Some video with bodies flying around and mangled accident
scenes seems like it might help, too... :-)

     Maybe just expressing concern and giving him a copy of a your old
MSF training manual will help.  He might browse through it and see some
things that spark some interest ...  I wonder if getting someone
his age or older to talk to him would do anything...
-- 
Robert H. Yang               | DoD # 0593
Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.	     | '92 CBR600F2 "It hisses on snakes."
RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU | AMA # 642916

   "Society cannot change until persons change.  We have hope for the
    future because we have seen persons change." - from "I'm OK, You're OK"
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yamaha XZ550 - what went wrong?
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:38:38 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Following up own question -
  can the XV series bikes be made to handle?
  does anyone make an over bore/stroke kit for the VT250?
CD
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Our friends in Sacramento
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:12:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> i think the fine for your sort of irresponsibility ought to be that
-> you have to ride your motorcycle (wearing whatever firearms you feel
-> like will protect you from yourself and society) 1 car length behind
-> your smog bucket whenever you drive the old junk heap around. breathe
-> deep, dave.  pretty, huh?

 Ah.  I detect the sour odor of jealousy.

 BTW, my "old junk heap" only cost $7.50 to register, and it has to be
inspected once a year ($3.25), but I never have to buy registration
again.  In eight more years, I don't have to get it inspected either.

 Think about me next time you're in line for your smog test and plates,
OK?


* DoD #978 * Put some bang in your lunch!  Eat at Luby's  (Killeen TX)
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: two miles from home (was Re: Cops show- Motorcycle wreck)
Summary: geezing
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:16:25 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

> >The deaf & blind elderly driver, often manifested as old men with hats

	Speaking of sterotypes,  every once in a while I find my self behind
	some old guy in a 60 something Chevy Impala (usually a faded out blue/green
	color), he'll have ears like car doors opened up,  a buzz haircut with
	little prickly white hairs going all the way up his leathery neck; and
	he'll be driving 25 mph below whatever the posted limit is.

	He will appear to be oblivious to everything going on around him.

	I have seen him or his ilk just about every place i've been to, it's
	kind of like the guy in the Twilight Zone episode with the hitchhiker,
	he seems to show up quite a bit.  
	Maybe there is a club for geezers like this.

	Terry

		60 something Chevy impala

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Let me take my chances on the wall  |
 | DoD# 541                           |  of death"       Richard Thompson    |
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Triumph Value
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:44:33 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <18484@drutx.ATT.COM>, brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.205354.216@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul20.031747.18101@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie) writes:
>> 
>> > Ok - as described with a new paint job (including striping) is this
>> > bike worth $1,000?
>> 
>> depends on if you're shopping for transportation or a garage
>> ornament.
> 
> 	Garage ornament?  Garage ornament?  Now you've done it, Laurie.

brucer, you could SAY this to the woman who sent you princess
smartyparts??????  i LIKE garage ornaments.  everyone should have one,
or at least know one to go over and visit and drop screws into the
cylinders of :-)

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: THANKS Ed
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:00:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

In article <1992Jul27.132552.14033@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
> I just wanted to one of the first of the RCRers to publicly thank Ed Green
> and his wife Sandy for all the work they put into the RCR.
> 
> Jim Bessette

I privately thanked Sandy at the RCR. So there! :-)

...but I forgot to thank Ed. Thanks, Ed!


Douglas                       Reply to:  gdls!parker@ilium.troy.msen.com
DoD #1961                     BMW #55821                  Renting N56136

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: Tires: Metzler 55a vs 99a
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com's message of 30 Jul 92 14:33:37 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
	<1992Jul30.143337.1644@javelin.sim.es.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.143337.1644@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

> The ME88 was supposed to replace the ME99, but enough folks wanted to

Don't you mean to say that the 55 was to replace the 99?
The 88 has been around for a long time.

> No reason that I can see, it sounds like it should last through your
> trip. I think the "don't mix brands" is a mix of folk tale and tire
> company sale pitch. 

Agreed.  I've run lots of mixes and the biggest problem
I've ever encountered was with two tires from the same
manufacturer that were "designed to work together" by
Metzeler.  The suspension on my bike just didn't like
the Metzeler front as soon as it got a little worn.  It
made the whole thing shimmy on deceleration.  I've got a 
Metzeler 99 on the back now, but a Dunlop K291 on the
front because that was all I could get in the middle of
East Bumfuck, Nowheresville when I picked up a packing
staple in its predecessor.  No big problems to date, 
although the Dunlop is not as sticky as the 99.  It's
still hard to break the front loose, and the whole thing
is stable.
--
----
Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA