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From: rmeester@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Richard Meesters)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Orthotics
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:27:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario

phoebe@ithaca.com (Phoebe Couch) writes:
: 
: The orthotics are only half length and are mainly arch support
: with heel, or a footbed with the toes cut off. They are made
: out of a hard plastic and padded on top with PVC. I was told
: to walk in them a couple hours a days for a week and I may
: get cramps from them. Well, they are GREAT and no cramps.
: I skiied in them within 2 days and for the first time, I can
: crank my boots and not get cramps. My feet rested on them
: the whole day and never shifted (it used to). At the end of
: the day, when my feet came out of the boots, my feet were
: soft and supple, no knots in the muscles and not even tired.
: I had custom (heated) footbeds before, but my feet would still
: be tired at the end of the day. These orthotics were made for
: athletic shoes and worked great in hiking boots.
: The second best part of it (the best part being happy ski feet)
: is that my insurance picked up the tab, which is $375.
: (In case you wonder, I have Kaiser, I used to think they are
: worthless, but they have at least two good doctors (including
: the one that sent me to the right orthopedist))

Phoebe,

Great to hear you're so much more comfortable with the orthotics.
If your insurance will pick it up, consider talking to your doctor 
about getting sport-orthotics made as well.  The half length orthotics
are primarily designed for working with dress shoes.  They now make
orthotics out of high density foam that are a full length deal which
replaces the insole of a running shoe or other athletic footwear.  
Just a thought, but they may be even better for skiing.

Regards,

Richard Meesters	            |     THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR....
Systems Software Specialist         |     ...someone else.
NCR Canada.                         |

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:18:36 GMT

In article <1k5o18INNejo@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk> ajdh@bnr.co.uk
(Andrew J D Hurley) writes:
>A brief look at this newsgroup
>would tend to give the impression that is is for American skiers only.

That's because computer networks were developed in America,
so we have a head start (net.ski was started as an AT&T thing).

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From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen)
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:06:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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If you think their liquor laws are funny, 
wait until you see their underwear!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:26:16 GMT

People have mentioned various problems with fan goggles.  Here is my
experience with the Smith turbo goggles: 

The battery pack is on the strap, two standard AAA batteries.  I think
a pair of batteries lasts some 10 days, at my usual rate.  I had
temperature problems only once, around -20C, with the strap going over
the hood.  (I now put the strap over my hat, inside the hood.)  Carry
spares.

It doesn't look like the fan, which is completely enclosed in the upper
frame, would create any extra trouble in a face plank.

There is a a fair amount of noise, which helps you not to forget to
turn the fan off, but it does not impede conversation at normal voice
levels.

There are easy-to-find replacement lenses, in the usual garish colors.
(The fan goggles use the same size lenses as some regular Smith)

Some pressure is transferred on my glasses, but juggling with their
frame (wire), the strap position, and the strap tension brings
it to a reasonable level.

In short, not the most comfortable contraption, but it works far better 
than anything else.

- Andrei
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:43:42 GMT

In article <AfNLR5m00WB8BHI7IU@andrew.cmu.edu> "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>
>>accident statistics for 
>>skiing, it's somewhere between volleyball and table tennis
>
>
>OK, now I want to know the source of these statistics...I'd love to
>cite these on occasion..
>
>Seriosly folks, I've seen lots of references to injury stats...but
>no one cites sources...Anybody willing to oblige?
>
>Also think it'd be good for the FAQ!!

Ok, I'll admit my source was the newspaper.  It was in an article I read
some time ago on the relative danger of sports.  I can't remember what their
source was, but I would guess that life insurance companies would have
access to a list of this type somewhere.

Leo Dagum
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kazama Outback TMs
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 18:05:41 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I tried to mail this, but it went bouncy bouncy.
In article <%MikeW.17.0@canc.byu.edu>, %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
says:
>
>The Kazama line is *really* good.  But they prefer the "Asnes" line.
>Evidently some or all of the Kazama boards (and the entire Karhu line as
>well) use a foam core, which, evidently, breaks down over time.  The Asnes
>guys use a wood honecomb construction or something, which, evidently, is
>supposed to be more durable and result in a smoother running and turning
>ski.  They also recommended the old favourites, Fischer GTS's.  I have a
>......
>tell you something else you already know: go out and demo all the skis you
>can, and chew the fat with other tele guys.  It's the best way around to
>evaluate skis.  If I were to leave one final piece of advice: I'd just get
>Fischers and be safe all over the mountain.
 ========================================================================
The fat chewing says the kazama is a good ski.
Unfortunatly, I can't find shops that demo tele skiis. (I just spent
one day of my vacation demoing downhills, but that don't help, do it?)
Do the shops in your neck of the woods do this? If so, where IS
your neck of the woods?
From: miker@newman (Mike Regan X 281)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need Advice on Steamboat, Winter Park
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:29:16 GMT
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
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I have a few questions for you knowledgeable folks about my upcoming
trip to Colorado. I'm spending the first 10 days of my 2 week trip
in Breckenridge (I know, summit county is way behind the rest of the
west in snow this year... but they'll catch up in the next 4 weeks!).
I'm planning to leave Breck on Tues, 3/9, and head up to Steamboat
for a few days before coming home on Sat, 3/13.

From looking at my maps, it appears that my best route would be to
head up to Winter Park, ski there on Tuesday, then drive to Steamboat 
Tuesday night, and ski it Wed-Fri. So, my questions are:

1 - Is this the best route? We want to ski on Tuesday, probably something
outside of Summit Co. Is there a better route which would bring us by
some other good skiing?

2 - If this is the best way, then how much travel time can I expect
from Breck to Winter Park, and how much from WP to Steamboat?

3 - How long (time-wise) is the drive from Steamboat to Denver?

4 - If the weather turns bad (well, bad for driving, good for skiing!),
are there any particular roads to avoid (bad passes, potential closures,
etc)?

5 - Can anyone recommend a place to stay in Steamboat? I'm looking for
something for 2 people, which is walking distance to town. I don't mind
driving to skiing, but I don't want to have to drive to go out to
dinner at night. Something clean and cheap is my preference here.

Is anyone still reading this? If so, thanks! Any other comments or
suggestions would certainly be welcome. Tips on what to ski (and what
to avoid) at WInter Park & Steamboat would be appreciated. We're both
strong skiers with a preference for natural terrain (trees, bowls,
chutes, etc) over massive bumps (fun for a few runs, but a day
of bumping usually leads a couple of days lying on a hard, flat
surface...)

Thanks in advance for any information you all can provide.

Mike  (miker@msi.com)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: WANTED: Telemark Skis and Bindings
Organization: Washington State University
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:24:17 -0800

		WANTED: TELEMARK SKIS and BINDINGS.

200 long or close to that length. Condition is not much of a problem if the 
price is right. These are for Gary, a British postdoc at Yale University 
who has discovered the joy of telemarking. 

If you have a pair of old powder alpine skis that would work, please call 
Gary Whittiker 203 865 0462 or Dave Henry 509 332 3359. 

We can check the stuff out on the East coast, in Washington State, Utah and 
Colorado. Otherwise, we can arrange some sort of shipping and COD.

This is a friend's account but he will pass any messages on to me, so feel
free to e-mail to the above address.

Thanks.
Dave Henry.

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From: KLEBAN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Peter Kleban)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: X-C at Zermatt
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:29:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Some friends of mine are off to Zermatt (Thursday!) mainly for downhill skiing,
but they are interested in X-C also.  Anybody know if equipment can be rented
there (and if they have the 3-pin or newer type) & how much it hurts (the
wallet, I mean)?  Thanks for any info.

Peter Kleban.
From: hoser@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael James Golden)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:21:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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From: tanikay@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Boysen)
Subject: Mt. Hood/Timberline Lodge
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: SLAC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:01:35 GMT

I'm thinking about going to Mt. Hood (Oregon) in March and staying at
Timberline Lodge.  My boyfriend was there about 15 years ago, and said the
place was quite nice - is this still true?  What's the skiing like for an
"intermediate" skier? 

I'll post a summary if necessary. - Thanks in advance! 

--------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed in this posting are my own, and
not necessarily those of the Stanford Linear Accelerator 
Center, Stanford University, or the US Department of Energy.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: Ski Report Euphemisms
Reply-To: aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:08:52 GMT


In a previous article, andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter) says:

>"...Surface is granular and groomed packed granular, enough chair lifts
>in service for a fine day of skiing..."
>
>Lars Guiling
>From the Seven Springs Ski report of Friday, January 22.
>
>I guess they mean that enough chair lifts are in service for a fine day
>of skiiing, IF they had snow instead of ice.
>
>STOP SNICKERING you Western Powder snobs!!!  Its not funny.

Snicker.
Actually, I recall one year where the ski reports issued by Mt. Washington
on Vancouver Island nearly resulted in lawsuits against the mountain...
Admittedly, they needed revenue badly at the time (doing fine now), but
I too was a little miffed to listen to ok-sounding ski reports and then
find myself skiing in the RAIN. Nothing like machine oil dripping from
the chairlift pulleys onto all that fine new skiwear...

-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Alta conditions poor
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 22:34:31 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <C1Itry.5CA@news.udel.edu> karl@bach.udel.edu
(Karl Sohlberg) writes:
>BAD idea Eugene. We haven't had a good storm in two weeks. We don't need
>your kind at Alta anyway. The Tanner slide path might be prime for some
>fine backcountry skiing. Why don't you try that? heh heh heh.

Yes, I watch the weather images on the news.  Terrible. Sunny weather.

So not only are the postings leaking out, but you modified distribution
to na.  Woof!  My kind!  Sounds "Southern Ante Bellum."

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel
Subject: Re: skiing in May
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:26:24 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
 <1993Jan18.031340.9936@ems.psu.edu>,<1993Jan18.162433.7990@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <1993Jan18.162433.7990@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.031340.9936@ems.psu.edu> elsworth@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Derek Elsworth) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan17.152247.28708@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> shawn@grok90.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Shawn Shealy) writes:
>>>Where can one snow-ski in May?
>>>
>>Try the Canadian Rockies in Alberta. Sunshine used to be open in to
>>mid June. Sunshine is about a 2 hour drive from Calgary and a 7 (?)
>>hour drive from Edmonton. There must be other ski hills up there.
>>Alberta tourist information would have more info.
>>
>>Derek Elsworth
>>
>
>Sunshine Village is about 1:15 from Calgary (4 hours from Edmonton).
>They normally close during the first week on June due to lack of business.
>

Whistler B.C. should still have snow as well. Just north of Vancouver.

Bob
From: shu@access.digex.com (zatoichi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Seven Springs PA
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:26:29 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:18:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.005440.10469@wam.umd.edu> bgohari@wam.umd.edu
(Babak Gohari) writes:
Helmets: that frequently raised topic:
>I think that the main reason people don't where helmets is because it looks
>stupid, or un-macho, or whatever you call it.  Probably where bicycle helmets
>used to be a few years ago.

Oh yeah, I think we are all aware, and I think we all ultimately figure that
helmets will be required for skiing as well as visors, knee pads,
shin protectors, shoulder pads, Kevlar(tm) vests,
"phased-plasma rifles in da 40 vatt range (said in best Arnie voice),"
and have a litigation lawyer in tow.  I think it's more historical
and economics myself.  You can convince numerous beginners that a speed
skier's helmet is the coolest thing to wear for the cost.
Car drivers, pilots, and others did wear helmets at the start of
those activities, and only wear them to varying degrees these days.

Time for a couple more paragraphs in the FAQ on helmets.....

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From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:35:40 GMT
Subject: WENGEN report
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


I came back from Wengen (switzerland) on Saturday - here's the state of the
skiing. 

WENGEN - There is only sufficient snow at the top.  There is good skiing on the
Lauberhorn from the 4 man chair above Kleine Scheidegg.  Here there are several
blue and red runs, some a bit icy but not bad.  There is also a red and a black
run down from the Eiger Gletscher train station but these were getting rough.

The Wixi and Fallboden and runs down are closed.
Few people were using the Mannlichen cable car, I think the runs there are very
bare. 

MURREN - Only two lifts running - the Schilthorn Cable car and a T-bar in the
Engtal.  The snow is quite nice but the skiing is limited to the red and blue
off the T-bar and the black down from the Schilthorn.

FIRST - Several runs working at the top, nice snow although the black run from
the top (long lift beginning with G) is getting *very* icy. 

Queues aren't too bad in any of these places 

The good news - I saw a weather forcast last night and there is snow coming to
Germany today so Switzerland will probably get it too.  The current high can't
last forever....can it?

Cheers

Brenda
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:17:42 GMT

In article <27JAN199316575738@vxcrna.cern.ch>, veitch@vxcrna.cern.ch (Liz Veitch) writes:

|> I agree - and I think the number of European postings might increase if 
|> there is a specific place to look for information and snow reports for
|> the Alps.
|> 
|> Liz
|> 
|> PS  We've had about 10cm of snow here in the last 24 hours!
|> 

So why don't you get on and post some more info Liz.  Most of the info about
European condtions the last couple of seasons has been sent by me !  Although
I'm currently sat in snowy Grenoble I read news via a leased line on the east
coast of the U.S. so would be excluded from this proposed Eurogroup, (I guess).

David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: feinberg@icd.teradyne.com (Michael Feinberg)
Subject: Re: No one skiing at Tahoe?
Reply-To: feinberg@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:05:44 GMT

I just spend a weekend at Heavenly & Kurkwood and I can not say that 
lifts were empty. Some lifts had 40min waits. The only two
where I did not have to wait at all were Mott Canyon at Heavenly and
The Wall at Kurkwood.

-mike
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From: ziegler@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Fred Ziegler)
Subject: Aspen Snow Conditions
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:19:05 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


Can anyone give me a ski/snow report for Aspen?

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From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:38:10 GMT

In article <1jnb2lINNc8t@lynx.unm.edu>, dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence) writes:
> Please, listen to what he says and go anywhere but Taos...  That way I
> can have more of the mountain to myself!!!   Purgatory is nice but
> I'd rather be in heaven (Taos!!!)   >:)

Someone got the message...

Frank
mueller@cs.fsu.edu
From: Steve Robertson <Steve.Robertson@anu.edu.au>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:05:17 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
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Subject: ACL Tear, need advice.
From: Tom Baltzer, tom@vexcel.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:32:29 GMT
In article <1993Jan26.003229.25519@vexcel.com> Tom Baltzer,
tom@vexcel.com writes:
>
>Greetings all,
>
>I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
>He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
>barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  

I am rather surprised by this advice.  Downhilling in Aug 91, I tore
medial ligaments in both knees, did some cartilage damage and partially
tore the ACL.  The advice given to me after arthroscopy was that
"conventional medical wisdom says that the ACL DOES NOT repair, but I've
seen enough damaged knees to believe that this was not strictly true." 
This comment was only made because my ACL had not completely snapped. 
I'm no expert, but I think I'd want a second opinion if I were you.  I've
ended up not having a knee reconstruction yet.  This however has meant
that MUCH remedial physiotherapy has been necessary.  There is NO
question of just sitting around and waiting to get better.

Be that as it may, I strongly agree with another respondant that you
should go to a Sports Medicine specialist.  I went to a centre that looks
after one of our National Rugby League teams.  There are a number of
advantages to such places, not the least of which is that they expect to
be dealing with mad buggers that want to go back to the same sport AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.  They are very aggressive in their approach and
challenge you both physically and psychologically.  Do it SOON!

The November 92 edition of "Skiing" magazine has an excellent article on
ACL damage.  I didn't ski for 3 weekends and didn't do any knee exercises
either. It really scared me how fast the knee went backwards.  Their
second article on Dr Richard Steadman has given me new enthusiasm to keep
up the work. Well worth reading.

Steve Robertson,
Australian National University.
Steve.Robertson@anu.edu.au