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From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: 280SEL 4.5 for Sale
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:04:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
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I have a 1973 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 in desperate need of a new home.
It runs very well and all the power accessories work.  It is suffering from
cancer.  There is one spot of rust in the frame, and most of the body
panels have some degree of rust.  The interior is in good condition.

I am asking $555.55.  If you are interested, please call or e-mail.  If
you know anybody who may be interested, please tell them and have them
call or e-mail.  I need to sell this car by November 28, 1992.  

John R. Daker
4169 Lambert Road
South Euclid, Ohio  44121

(216) 381-5109

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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:04:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC

In article <1992Nov6.071001.22666@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>If you "enhance" your engine by going from a 2-barrel carb to a 4,6,or
>8 barrel carb, you generally seem to decrease fuel economy.  Is this
>because a 2 barrel carb makes the engine run leaner than a 4 or 8
>barrel carb?

The main problem with fuel economy on 4 barrels is that they give you an
opportunity to throw more gas at the engine than you can with a 2 bbl.
The trick is to buy one with smaller primaries, and keep your foot off the
firewall.

***Story time *** A friend of mine in college had a 400 cid Pontiac Catalina
and I had a 318 Dodge Coronet.  Both had 2bblcarbs. He decided to swap out
to a 4bbl Holley & Edelbrock manifold. Not only did he get much better
performance, he now could get _better_ highway mileage than I did. Grrr.
The downside is he lost some low end torque. He could no longer do burnouts
from a stop without a neutral drop. 

>Does the ideal carb exist?  (ie a carb that will run an engine at
>what ever stochiometric ratio the designer wants, over a given range
>of rpm and load)?

The age old problem of practice trying to  catch up to theory.
 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
|                              |________|                              |
|______________________________________________________________________|
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: British cars
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:25:10 GMT
Keywords: british

In article <eric.1@eeco.cba.ufl.edu> eric@eeco.cba.ufl.edu (Eric E.C. Olson) writes:
"                  I saw an ad at the back of this month's Hot Rod for an 
"outfit that sells V-6 conversion kits for the Triumph TR-7.  Has anyone done 
"this, or even seen it?  What's the availability of HiPo intakes, cams, etc. 
"etc. etc. for V-6s?

john's cars of dallas, right?  it's a buick motor -- lots of parts
available.  (btw, you could put the small block equipped tr to shame;
in a recent hot rod / car craft, there was a story on a buick gn with
the motor pushed to *1200* hp!  and the owner claimed it was still
street-legal!  'course you'd have drive-train problems...)

a more interesting swap imho would be the saab turbo 4.  it's
basically the same engine as the tr7 4; saab and triumph were partners
in developing it, back in the late '60s.

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From: rlindsay@trc.amoco.com (Richard O. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: British cars
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:33:33 GMT
Reply-To: zrol01@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research


My friend and fellow Jaguar mechanic asked me to put this note
on the net.  The potential seller is a 70+ year old woman whose
husband recently died.  She is now selling his collection of
cars one-at-a-time to support herself.  So, FOR SALE is a:

1966 E-type Coupe' (not a 2+2)  Series I (Covered headlights)
'Black-plate' Original California Car
No Rust what-so-ever
British Racing Green paint & biscuit leather
4.2L engine
Wire wheels

This car has been owned by original purchaser since new!
Never has had a title change!  Absolutely original car!

Accepting offers. Please call Mr. Paul Collins at Jagworks in
Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA.

(918) 834-5818 (the shop)
(918) 836-4568 (home)

We are in the U.S. Central Time zone.
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 10:19:57 GMT

Wayne Smith (wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca) wrote:
: 
: Does the ideal carb exist?  (ie a carb that will run an engine at
: what ever stochiometric ratio the designer wants, over a given range
: of rpm and load)?

Not as such.  However, a multi-port, air mass sensing, O2 sensing fuel
injection system is pretty darn close to ideal, mixture-wise.

Note that gasoline (or any other chemical) burns (oxidizes) best at a given
ratio, which doesn't vary with load or RPM, so it's not as tough of a job
as it sounds.  When you put an open-loop (no feedback) system on something
as hard to predict/control as fuel demands, you will run into problems.  
When you adjust the fuel according to an analysis of the contents of the
exhaust gasses, you hover right around that ideal mixture.

The highest performance and the lowest emissions are right around that 
ratio (14.7:1, I believe), which makes sense.  Obviously, if you burn all
that you can, you get beter zip & cleaner exhaust (no unburned hydrocarbons,
etc.)  Unfortunately, a lot of the emissions devices have hampered engine
performance, and I would bet that a lot of those were compromise devices
developed when most makers were using carbs.


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Don't blame me; I voted for Perot!                hinzd@picard.med.ge.com 
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.             Pherrets are Phun!!!
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: MG Marque lives again!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:10:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.234846.24220@emr1.emr.ca> davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson) writes:
"I have a love/hate reaction to the MG.
[]
"           ...the manufacturer of the electrical system deserved the 
"title "The Prince of Darkness".

why do the brits drink warm beer?  they have lucas fridges... ;^>

"They are introducing the MGB RV8. Its a limited-edition production car with
"a 3.9 litre engine (similar in design to the range rover).

identical to the range rover's.  this is the ex-buick aluminum v8 of
the early '60s.

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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: 65 Mustang engine replacement
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:09:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.182652.14901@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gene@brain.med.virginia.edu (Gene Lightfoot) writes:
>
>This is my first posting so please be patient with any screwups.
>
>  I recently purchased a 1965 Mustang Convertible that according to theh data
>  plate had a 200 six in it coupled to an automatic transmisiion. Presently it
>  has a "Ford remanufactured" 170 and a 3 speed manual transmission.
>  Are the Ford class six cylinders (144,170,200,250) the same engine blocks
>  and will they all interchange.  I have heard that certain years will not.
>  I want to put the car back to original specs.  Will any C4 automatic from
>  that time period work, are the lengths of the transmissions different, will
>  my manual transmission driveshaft work on the auto. Any and all help will be
>  greatly appreciated.
>
>  Gene Lightfoot

Not being a Ford expert, I can't directly answer the compatibility question,
but can give general advice. After doublechecking the deciphering of the
dataplate, I would begin searching for an exact matchup of a 200 six and
C4 automatic from a '65 Mustang or Falcon. "matching number" cars are _always_
worth more than "close but not exact" cars. With a little research and 
advice from some Mustang folks, you shoud be able to put the car back correct
enough that noone will be able to prove that the car isn't "factory correct".
With the relative low purchase cost of this drivetrain, it doesn't make sense
to settle for second best. BTW, I had to do the same thing on my '55 Chevy.
I found a 6 cyl block with the right stampings and date code so noone will
be able to prove that it didn't come in the car originally. I spent some
time and money finding it, but finding and buying it still cost less than
rebuilding it.
 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
|                              |________|                              |
|______________________________________________________________________|
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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: 64 Ford F-100
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:33:14 GMT

>him, and he'd be more than happy to give it to me.  The pickup is a '64 F-100  
>stepside.  I am interested in it more for it's sentimental value than its  
>collector value and would like to restore it.
>
Hmm... an old vehicle you like, for free! Sounds like a good starting point.
>
>regular had in 1964, and I've been told it takes some expensive re-machining of  
>the cylinder head to make it safe to run on *any* fuel (short of 100 Low Lead  
>
Yep - you need hardened valves, seats, and possibly valve guides. Talk to a
good automotive machine shop & they'll know what to do.

>Also, the original tailgate is crunched but there.  It looks to be pretty far  
>beyond repair (8 guage steel was bent) and I was wondering if the tailgates off  
>'70's model stepsides (which look identical and are much cheaper at scrapyards)  
>will work as a replacement.

If it looks right, and fits right.... Measure the '64 vs '70 carefully and see.
Meanwhile, you can keep an eye out for a nice '64 gate at a good price
if there are any differnces.
>
>Another problem (fairly common from what I understand) this truck has is an  
>invisible cancer problem underneath where the stepsides join to the fenders.   
>since both the stepsides and both the fenders have no damage and this is the  
>original bed, I'd like to save the fenders if possible, but how can I repair  
>
Disassemble the step and bed, and sandblast them (off the truck). If the metal
is weak or looks like swiss cheese, fabricate some repair panels out of same
thickness steel and weld in with a mig welder. If this is a common problem,
there might be prefabricated patch panels available mail order.

>Other than these problems, the truck is in excellent condition considering its  
>recently rebuilt, and the transmission shifts reasonably smooth (but it takes  
>the 2nd-3rd synchros about 2 min. running time cold to start working!).  The  
>
Hmm. many need a transmission overhaul, but I'd drain and refill the tranny
with the correct oil first.

 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
|                              |________|                              |
|______________________________________________________________________|
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From: larry@labrador.fishkill.ibm.com (Larry Pieniazek)
Subject: Re: MG Marque lives again!!!
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:36:31 GMT
Reply-To: lar@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: Ya right!

In article <1992Nov12.121016.28462@cbnews.cb.att.com>,
adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.234846.24220@emr1.emr.ca> davidson@ccrs.emr.ca
(David Davidson) writes:
> "I have a love/hate reaction to the MG.
> []
> "           ...the manufacturer of the electrical system deserved the 
> "title "The Prince of Darkness".
> 
> why do the brits drink warm beer?  they have lucas fridges... ;^>

What's the motto of the Lucas Electric Works?

" A good day's work, and home before dark!"

-Lar

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',','
`,` Democrat:    Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,`
`,` Republican:  Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems.  `,`
`,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems.        `,`
',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',','

Don't blame ME, I voted Libertarian!

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From: bboswell@dante.NMSU.Edu (BOSWELL)
Subject: 64 Ford F-100
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:00:42 GMT

Howdy!  I have been watching this group off and on lately with more than a  
passing interest and now it seems I may have a "gem" of my own here...

My father has recently told me that when he moves, his pickup isn't going with  
him, and he'd be more than happy to give it to me.  The pickup is a '64 F-100  
stepside.  I am interested in it more for it's sentimental value than its  
collector value and would like to restore it.

The truck has 74,000 miles (original!), original engine and it's original  
3-on-the-tree transmission (minus some metal I may have stripped out of it when  
I learned to drive 5 years ago but...).

Anyways I've been told it seems that the gas that's sold as "regular" (yes it's  
still available in this part of the country!) has about 1/10th the lead as  
regular had in 1964, and I've been told it takes some expensive re-machining of  
the cylinder head to make it safe to run on *any* fuel (short of 100 Low Lead  
Aviation gasoline @$2 a gallon).  Any ideas?

Also, the original tailgate is crunched but there.  It looks to be pretty far  
beyond repair (8 guage steel was bent) and I was wondering if the tailgates off  
'70's model stepsides (which look identical and are much cheaper at scrapyards)  
will work as a replacement.

Another problem (fairly common from what I understand) this truck has is an  
invisible cancer problem underneath where the stepsides join to the fenders.   
since both the stepsides and both the fenders have no damage and this is the  
original bed, I'd like to save the fenders if possible, but how can I repair  
the cancer and keep the structure of the fender strong enough to support the  
weight of someone standing on them to get to a load in the bed?

Other than these problems, the truck is in excellent condition considering its  
age: no more body damage than that mentioned above (not a spot of rust beyond  
the rear fender/stepside problem).  The engine runs beautifully with the carb  
recently rebuilt, and the transmission shifts reasonably smooth (but it takes  
the 2nd-3rd synchros about 2 min. running time cold to start working!).  The  
original headliner is intact, as are the original hubcaps and bumper.	

Any help would be appreciated, as I wait for this family heirloom to come my  
way (I'll be the 3rd generation to own it!).
From: gunnar@beppe.ericsson.se (Gunnar Forsgren)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: OPEL Rekord B '66 parts wanted
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:01:21 GMT
Organization: Ericsson

I want references to firms or individual people that carries stocks
of new spare parts for OPEL Rekord B -66,
a german car that only existed for one year (1966).
Some interior details of a '65 model are identical
but, part from the engine (1900), almost everything else
is quite unique for that year.

Spare suppliers are likely to exist in Germany somewhere.
The car was once manufactured in Russelsheim, Germany, marketed by GM,
and since there is not many of these cars left these days
(although it ranked as #4 in sales statistics back in 1966...)
there is a very limited availability of spares in Sweden.

Thanks for any hints,

---
Gunnar Forsgren  Ericsson Telecom AB  email:<etxgfn@eua.ericsson.se> 
S-126 25 Stockholm, SWEDEN            "Rust never sleeps"
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 12:08:44 -0500 
From: David Frame <df1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: '67 chrysler newport


i'm not so sure i agree with the argument that the falcon is not worth
the $1200 just because it doesn't have much under the hood.  i used to
have a '63 chevy bel air with a straight six and two-speed transmission.
 now i have a chrysler with a 440 four barrel carb and three-speed
trans.  i must say that i was much happier with the chevy and would
gladly trade the chrysler for a grandma's grocery getter in comparable
shape.  i guess i find the generic aesthetics of the early sixties
sedans preferable to the "i've got a big penis" muscle cars of the same
era.  unfortunately, the frame of the chevy rotted away and the chrysler
was the closest, most reliable substitute i could find.  at first the
idea of massive power under the hood was very appealing, but how does on
get any utility from it with the given speed limits.  i mean, there
isn't any increase in handling ability to go along with the increase in
power.  anyway, before you buy, especially in pa, have the frame checked
out thoroughly.  

dave frame
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From: williams@steelhead.cs.washington.edu (Stuart Williams)
Subject: For Sale in Seattle, Washington: 1969 Ford Fairlane 500
Reply-To: williams@cs.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington Computer Science
Distribution: pnw
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:25:59

1969 Ford Fairlane 500.
Powder blue with black vinyl top.
110,000 miles, original engine, in good shape.
Automatic transmission, power steering, air conditioning.

$1000

It's a good car, it runs well, has plenty of power, plenty of miles
left in it, restorable with a medium amount of work.  The interior is
in very good shape, all vinyl.

In the three years I've had it as second owner I've redone/replaced:
timing chain, water pump, shocks, brakes, tires, universal joints, one
window regulator.

Work it needs soon: it has a power steering fluid leak.

Work to restore: 2 medium dents ($500 each at a body shop?), 1 or 2
small rust spots, rear bumper rechrome, minor vinyl top repair, dome
light cover, driver's side carpet, radio speaker, heater core, AC
compressor clutch.

Why am I selling it?  I bought a new car: a 1963 Mercury Meteor.

Stuart Williams
williams@cs.washington.edu
632-1419
From: asj@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Adrian Jefferies)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: British cars
Keywords: british
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:32:18 GMT
Organization: International Computers Limited

Check out the British cars mailing list - a friendly bunch of people.

Mail to (I think) british-cars-request@hoosier.utah.com

I've got a Triumph TR4 - it runs great! Those old TRs are simple, tough cars
with excellent & economic parts availability, hence well suited to
Sunday Mechanics such as myself.

However, a digression from British cars:

Briefly, I lived in the US for a while & wanted to buy a car, a real
American car; not a European, not Japanese - after all I can buy them in the
UK. So, I did a bit of research, checked my bank balance & plunked my
cash down for a '80 (I think) Plymouth Volare. Now, from where I'm
sitting I can here you US guys laughing ... However, my rationale went
something like this: They had been in production for years, it seemed (!)
very solid, any auto mechanic would be familair with its innards,
it had the famed Chrysler (?) slant-six motor that powered the
long lived Plymouth Dusters till their wheels fell off. It had low
mileage(?), body was excellent, interior was clean, 
looked good on a lift, etc. It was a dog! I wont bore you with the
details, I'm sure we all have our favourite bad-car stories.

It about bankrupted me - where did I go wrong?

Regards, Adrian
	asj@dsbc.icl.co.uk
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: HELP 1962 Falcon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:32:07 GMT

In article <92310.153539KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
"I didn't know that the falcon came with a V8.  Was it the 260?  When I heard
"of people swaping in a 289 engine, I assumed it was because they didn't come
"with a V8.

yes, the 260.  the '6[2|3] sprint was basically a chassis preview of
the '65 mustang.

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From: sddascomb@ucdavis.edu (Steve Dascomb)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:19:02 GMT
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Old cars, emissions, engine size and carb tuning...
	Recently I saw that Edelbrock in conjunction with Weber
have put together a complete fuel injection system for 
older V-8's complete with electronic controls, sensors, 
and electric fuel pump.  The system claims to be fully
controllable (settings for mileage or performance) but cost
$3000.00 - cheap!  Has anyone heard about this other than
the ad?  This type of system would be nice if it was affordable.

Steve Dascomb

-We now have a government of the media, by the media, and
for the media...
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