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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:37:03 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: Gleaning: Xtian
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From: Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

>
> No need to do that, Peter, I'm right here.
> ndh
>

Abjectly humble apologies. The reference was to the sacred cow,
and where it might be obtained. I only realised too late that
my carelessness had resulted in a fox pass.

Not that I don't in fact think that a certain resemblance between
words-l and animal farm exists.
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:45:46 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      FAX Report
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In case you are all sitting at your computers holding your breath (your
breaths?) and wondering whether my FAX to Spain got through ok, I'm happy
to report that I just wandered back over to CIS and found a message saying
that the FAX I sent at 6:23 CST was successfully received in Spain at
6:28 CST.  How did we live before e-life (and e-mail-to-fax life)?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:00:29 GMT
From:         Graham Toal
              <gtoal%rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk%kate.ibmpcug.co.uk@KATE.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Bagpipes/croning
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: >Bagpipe music is never appropriate, and is acceptable only if being played
: >at the far end of a long glen.

: Oh, no!  I love bagpipe music, and if I thought there were any chance of
: my making it on March 19th anywhere but Eugene OR (the grandkids are coming
: back! The grandkids are coming back!), I'd <insist> that bagpipe music
: be part of it.

Well, that would rule me out.  The two things that make me violent are
bagpipes or church bells within a range of 10 miles.  Hate the bastards.

The OTC pipe band used to practice in the room next to where I would
give my signals lectures.  They're lucky to still be alive today...

G
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From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: second call for words-l cookbook
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>Posted on 11 Jan 1993 at 18:32:15 by Doris Smith
>
>Re: second call for words-l cookbook
>
>
>Jenna,
> I'm interested in the cookbook - contributing and/or ordering.  I guess I
>missed the original posting explaining it.
>
>doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)

ah HA! the truth will out.  there you go, giggles. what's worse than
not getting into the undigestable? well, how about having your posts
go unread, deleted or worse!

jenna
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: London Bridge
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>Since everybody on here knows something about almost everything, I have a
>feeling somebody will have the answer to this.  My granddaughter Patricia
>(unlike other members of my family) will allow me to sing to her, but only
>certain songs.  She seems particularly taken with "Ten Little Indians" and
>"Way Down Yonder in the Pawpaw Patch."  She also seems to like
>"London Bridge," but I can't remember all the verses.  I remember "London
>Bridge is falling down," of course, as well as "Build it up with iron
>bars," "Iron bars will bend and break," and "Build it up with silver and
>gold."  There are other verses, I *know*, but I can't remember.  Anybody
>remember?
>ndh (whose grandmother used to sing all of the above, plus the very
>depressing "Go Tell Aunt Rhody")

I couldn't remember all of the verses to 'London Bridge' so I looked it up
in Helen's book of "Mother Goose Nursey Rhymes" - a facsimile of the 1922
edition - and discovered that we were evidently not taught the original
version. It was called 'London Bridge is Broken Down' back then and goes
as follows:

London Bridge is broken down,
Dance o'er my lady Lee;
London Bridge is broken down,
With a gay lady.

How shall we build it up again?
Dance o'er my lady Lee;
How shall we build it up again?
With a gay lady.

Silver and gold will be stole away,
............

Build it up again with iron and steel,
............

Iron and steel will bend and bow,
............

Build it up with wood and clay,
............

Wood and clay will wash away,
............

Build it up with stone so strong,
Dance o'er my lady Lee;
Huzza! 'twill last for ages long,
With a gay lady.

------

One of the books the boys had when they were small had the more recent version
- the one I used to know. There is reference to it in James Blake's song
'The Sidewalks of New York'..... "East Side, West Side, all around the town,
The tots sang 'Ring-a-rosie', 'London Bridge is falling down;'....". It
seems that there may be dialectal differences in these nursery rhymes since
Blake's 'Ring-a rosie' was known here as 'Ring-around-a rosie' and the
1922 version (from England) is called 'Ring-a-ring-a-roses'.

Carolyn
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From:         Fizzy the Fribble <fribble@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Accents
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>From the screen of 'blomberg cepeda'...
> Actually, I'm willing to bet that the part of England where they do this most
> is East Anglia, where most of the early New England settlers originated. A lot
> of the accent, and much of the dialect ("I guess" for "I think", e.g.) are
> straight from the North Sea shore.

Almost. Actually, the most common place where the 'r' is appended to
the end of words is the Devon and Cornwall area. East Anglia (where
my accent was cultivated from) is less broad than most other English
accents.

Isnt it strange that in the US, accents tend to be heard of as 'state-
localised' (you hear of a "Texas" accent), whereas in the UK, they are
'city-localised' (you hear of a mancunian, or of a liverpudlian accent).

Fiz.
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:59:04 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Coming to America
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> ready to rise back up and overwhelm me in about 24 hours. So if you want
> to put the all the posts together as one file, with my still-unentered
> file at the start, I'd be mighty flattered, ma'am.

I've got the Cambridge one and the return-to-US one close at hand and
can *probably* gather the others.  (I normally count on the accumulated
usenet postings for gathering things like that but am not certain of the
exact status of our usenet stuff after The System Surgery.)  I've gotta
log off for a couple of hours right now but will be back to work on ftp
collection later today.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:19:43 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question About Online Resources
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              4 Jan 1993 06:23:03 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:23:03 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>that our library does in fact have it, but it's non-circulating.  I hate
>non-circulating books.

i'm also surprised its noncirculating....it is now what i'd consider
a reference book....i mean its useful for ref, obviously, but it is not
the kind of book that should be locked in the reference room....

cyclops
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: John's Geography Question
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>Is it too late to say, "Indian Ocean"?  That is, what the Tigris and
>Euphrates empty into?  On the odd chance I'm right I'll take Literature...

Eventually they do, but first they empty into the Persian Gulf which then
flows into the Arabian Sea before reaching the Indian Ocean. So since you
wanted to take a loss on the History question, instead I'll give you a loss
on this one since you aren't strictly correct with the answer you gave.

Carolyn
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Croning again
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Posted on 3 Jan 1993 at 15:46:06 by Natalie Maynor

>> This about the Women's Review of Books.  The story is that they reviewed
>> the book of a friend of mine with several other up-and-coming black women
>> authors.  (She's a poet.)  But she isn't black, and no one ever checked w/
>> her to make sure.  The reviewer felt that Jeanne had somehow been dishonest.
>> (Her book has several major black characters.)
>
>That reminds me of something I heard not long ago about the editor of a
>short story anthology who got furious when she discovered that one of the
>contributors was male.  She had asked for "stories written from the female
>point of view."  A male, who happened to use his initials instead of a full
>name, submitted a story from a female point of view.  It was accepted.  Then
>he was accused of dishonesty.

Both of these have, in a way, been hot topics in Canada recently.  In
Nova Scotia a human rights tribunal ruled that it is not a violation
of the provincial human rights code for a 'newspaper' to refuse to
print any letters from men.  The paper argued that it provides a voice
for women and that there are already plenty of papers that print
men's letters.

And 'appropriation of voice' has been discussed ad nauseam - mainly
in the context of whether women of less colour should be 'allowed' to
write works portraying those of more colour (whether the colour is
blackish or redish).

Tony H.
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>        So, does it mean I'm not old enough to get married if
>the strange man at the liquor store cards me when I'm buying
>champagne for the celebration?

    Sorry, Rita, this won't do as an excuse to back out.

    What time is the ceremony tomorrow?  Oddsmakers are interested
    in how many times you will log on before the event.

    Best wishes to you and Nico!

    brad
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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: News
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:13:04 GMT

Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> writes:

>I'm surprised that no one has mentioned three news items:

>The death of Nureyev

I'm surprised that anyone was surprised; we all knew it was coming,
unfortunately.

>The death of Dizzy Gillespie

Sort of the same, to me anyway...I'd heard rumors from my jazz-loving
friends in NYC.

>Dr. Kevorkian setting his sights on Ohio (which permits assisted suicides)

Cool!  Where in Ohio is he planning on setting up shop?  I'd love to see
him again. :)

--Aaron

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:12:07 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Recipes, part I
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  As requested by Natalie...

  HOW TO MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF IN FIFTEEN WAYS, USING ONLY COMMON
HOUSEHOLD INGREDIENTS.

  Some preliminary remarks. In order to make fools of ourselves we need
the presence of at least one other person, since no amount of
foolishness will make fools of us unless there is someone in whose
eyes we believe our foolishness is apparent. The recipes below can be
classified with respect to several different parameters. For
example, we have the distinction between making a fool of oneself
before (1) members of the same sex, (2) members of the opposite sex,
(3) a mixed bunch; and then there is the distinction between making a
fool of oneself (1) when stone cold sober, and (2) when sauced to the
gills. Accordingly, the international FMS classification uses such
designations as "SS.SCS.S.P.1322" in listing these recipes. I will
forego all such formalities and just give the recipes in sufficient
but informal detail to allow people to try them out for themselves.

1. Unmasked know-it-all, stewing in his own juice.

There are many varieties of this delightful recipe. The basic
requirements are a bunch of people (a single person will do) before
whom you wish to appear knowledgeable and sophisticated, a topic on
which you don't know nearly as much as you like to pretend to your
audience, and a member of the audience who in fact knows a great deal
more about the topic than you do. To achieve the desired effect, make
a confident pronouncement on the chosen topic on the basis of some
half-remembered popular exposition. Await devastating questions from
the audience.

2. Infatuated young mooncalf, dissolved into a puddle.

Although requiring considerable preparations, the superb effect more
than justifies the effort involved. You need a tender nubile female of
exquisite charm - admittedly not always easily found - available for
fairly constant inspection over a period of a few days or weeks. Await
a boiling in the breast and buzzing in the ears that signifies
complete infatuation. Formulate a suitable compliment, apply sweat to
palms, and approach the female. Croak out the compliment. Await
response.
From: ll23%nemomus@academic.nemostate.edu (Karen Kay)
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Posted on 3 Jan 1993 at 19:41:48 by Anne 'Bandwidth Pig' Harwell
>Tate Gallery. GT remains behind to do <taxes>. I stay 4 hours. Can't
>believe these Brits own all these really important works.

Didn't they acquire many of them the old-fashioned way, i.e., they stole
them?  The fruits of imperialism.

Karen
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From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: {Operative Human Biological Interchange

>>      It can be used as a verb, both transitive (John fucked Mary) and
>>      intransitive (Mary doesn't really give a Fuck); or as an adverb (Mary
>
>I'm a bit baffled by the example of intransitive verb.  Why not something
>like "John fucks well"?

Are you actually giving it consideration? It's humour, though of course
it's okay if you didn't realize it.

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:34:27 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@GTOAL.COM>
Subject:      The whole nine yards (revisted)
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Tushar's recent answer must undoubtedly be correct; I found this
posted in another area by a most knowledgable Indian gentleman:

: 5. "Nine yards", I am surmising, more whimsically than with recourse to
: logic, may refer to the nine yard saree, which is the longest and in some
: sense the completest garment one wears (if female).

Of course, Tushar was more logical and *never* whimsical, but clearly
he has the weight of numbers on his side...

G
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From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: second call for words-l cookbook
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>From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
>
>Jenna, I hope you're going to include a chapter on the
>fine art of making chili. There must be as many recipes
>for it as there are words-l readers.
>
>Bill

well, lets hear from the chili contingent then! I'll put
my recipe in, who else?

i'm logging in all the recipes that i get, and not reading them
just yet, so i don't exactly know what i've got so far. I do have
them from: Judith, Jim, Mrs Rita, Dorisann, Emily, Elwood P. Dowd,
um...who else? i know there are others, sorry if i left you out.

I'll take recipes until the end of the week.

Jenna
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Baseball
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              12 Jan 93 11:47:05 -0500. <9301121654.AA13611@sics.se>

  >You hit that ball right down the middle, KNOWING
  >what the result will be, but that ball is so beautiful anyway.  And
  >there's a certain perverse satisfaction when this ball, which you have
  >*given* to the batter, is hit w/ a resounding smack.

  You've dropped the self-respect thing somewhere along the line and
substituted "perverse satisfaction". There are two things to explain:
1) why does your self-respect require that you come up with a simple pitch
from time to time, and 2) how is this analogous to provoking somebody
to violence as an alternative to getting away without being seen? It would
make sense if the simple pitch resulted in a violent confrontation that might
otherwise have been avoided.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:20:39 -0600
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleaning: Xtian
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1993, Anne Burton Harwell wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jan 1993, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> >   Don't let abh's comment bother you; I enjoyed your story.  Sometimes
>
> Now that's an impartial assessment, Wiccan.

Last I looked, the Christians who voiced an opinion liked it, Pig.

> -abh

Take care of your ankles...

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The burning fiery furnace
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> Posted on 5 Jan 1993 at 00:14:48 by Ruth M. Hanschka
> >ones built on slabs have them in those fake closet thingies.  Except in a
> >few Victorian or other relatively old [for the US] houses, the heating vents
> >are all in the floor or along the baseboard.
> Mine are in the ceiling.  I admit that this is unusual, though.

I think I missed the beginning of this.  Are we talking about heating vents?
What's unusual about their being in the ceiling.  That's where they almost
always are, isn't it?
  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:12:27 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Words-L Weekly Digest
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1/4 - 1/10/93

As Round 3 of Trivial Pursuit nears, Ausbrook takes a commanding lead,
although it's sheer wiftiness on his part that lets him place the world's
deepest land gorge in Nepal.  Anne Diffily reports in from the final weeks
of maternal leave.  Anne Harwell's adventures and misadventures in MOE
are collected in ftp space even as she begins to recover from her long
monument-fondling, spectacle-smashing, ankle-wrenching holiday.  Thirteenth
Night party at Joan B.'s in Boston -- boy, those East Coast Words-Lers*
love to eat!  But so do The Three K's at Emily's place in LA (Karsten
picking the avocados out of his salad).  Blomberg at the Smithsonian doing
research.  Dan in Salt Lake for eye surgery.  (Son Andy keeps the list
updated.)  Peter M. and his tigress Depraved May in a gif.  Rita and Nico
tie the knot!  Why does Rita detest new poster Gerard van der Leun so?
Why is this Ed Margerum from Salem, Mass. taunting Graham?  Who _is_ Moe
Howard?  Does he smoke cherry cigars?

Respectfully submitted,
brad

*INCOMPLETE ROSTER/MENU:  Joan, judith (salmoncakes), //anne// (spaghetti
  sauce), Rita L. (chocolate-chip cookies), Rita R., Don Thornton and
  Mary Shepard, RobyMeister and Paul, Elaine B.
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:07:29 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Oh yeah Glasgow
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:I dont know about Edinburgh, but if you want to see Elvis in Glasgow gotr
:to the Peoples Palace Museum and look in the reproduction TYPICAL
:GLASGOW FLAT OF THE 1960S.  On the mantle is the traditional made-in-Taiwan
:Elvis plaster bust.

How did I just know this idjit would be all over Glasgow.  Sheesh.

G
(Have the scars from your visit healed yet?)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer) says:

>Ruth, dear, I live on this side of the Pond (any Pond) too, and duodecimal
>is the way I learned it.  Base 12 is duodecimal and 16 is hexadecimal.

But when did you learn it?:-)  I didn't get this stufff until after the 
introduction of the <gag> New Math.[whatever it really was]  From other
recollections, they seem to have scrapped as many of the old Latin terms
as possible.  Of course, it could have just been the teacher.  This guy
wasn't too swift....

>Old computer joke, once the gimmick for an Asimov mystery: Why do computer
>freaks/hackers/<choose your pejorative term> get Xmas and Halloween mixed
>up?  
>
>Answer: because 31 oct = 25 dec  [translation: 31 in base 8 = 25 in base 10]
>
One of the Black Widower tales?  Figures - he always did like a really
bad pun, or a worse joke.  Did you ever get to read the science fiction
story he wrote for the sake of two *very* bad puns?:-)  The title is one 
of them - which is why I'm not mentioning it.

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Subject: Re: WORDS-L TP: Carolyn's Science/Nature Question
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>You rolled a two. That would give you Science and Nature (again) or Entertain-
>ment.
>
>Emily

Science and Nature again please.

Carolyn
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