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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:12:06 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: HOW LOW HAVE WE GONE.
              26 Jan 1993 10:09:00 EST from <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:09:00 EST DRCV06::GRAHAM said:
>I was repelled by Marty's report of the anti abortion march in Washington.
>The very idea of a Christian carrying a sign with the picture of a part of
>a fetus on it is disgusting.  The only blood a Christian should be involved
>with is the blood of our Lord.

   When the Christians wanted to show how bad slavery was they found slaves
that had been whipped and maimed and brought them before the people. Yes
it's bloody. Yes, it's disgusting. And yes, Christians as well as others
should be appalled.

>No, I do not advocate abortion as a birth control measure.  That being
>said, I object much more strongly to Christians doing things that drag the
>name of Jesus in the gutter and to me, this sort of action does just that.

What about when they show human skeletons walking around in the third world
countries? What about when there is a child with a mouth full of flies? Do
you find that disgusting? I know that I do, but I think Christ is there in
the midst of them. We'll never get the problem of the poor and hungry
solved, NEVER. Jesus said the poor would be with us ALWAYS. However, to
not see this from time to time, makes the problems of starving children
and adults very remote, very removed.

To not know that the torn off head of a "fetus" looks identical to a baby
my be disgusting, but it also brings how that humans are dying. We had the
scripture about the slaughter of the innocents and the shedding of
innocent blood. I really have to wonder what Christ would have done if He
were to pass by an abortion clinic. I think He may well have cried.

Children are a blessing of the Lord, but only if you can afford them. No,
I don't remember that last part, only that they are a blessing. I know,
it must have been "Children are a blessing of the Lord, if we are married,
if we have planned." No, that's not it either. I know...

Wait a minute. At the great judgement, there will be sheep and goats. What
is the difference. Sheep are just dumb animals. They do what they are told
and if anyone says anything they just say "yeeeeeesssssssss" (like "baaah".
Goats go around butting every thing. So when we say that "Children are a
blessing of the Lord.... *BUT*...." Hmmmm.

>Where is the Christian witness in such an activity?  How does it bring
>glory to God Almighty?  How does it make disciples for Christ?  I can only
>believe that it does none of those things.  It only glorifies a movement
>and attitude that should have no Christian attachment whatever.

I'll let a hymn speak to this on, just a few verses:
   Rescue the perishing;
   Care for the dying;
   Snatch them in pity from sin and the grave.
   Weep o'er the erring one;
   Lift up the falling;
   Tell them of Jesus, the Mighty to Save.

Like I said, with out the pictures we can think "It's only tissue. It's
only a blob of 'something'. It's NOT a baby!" Then we see a picture, and
we see "My God, that head (that hand, that face, that foot, that body)
looks JUST LIKE A BABY!"  Dragging into the gutter? I think Jesus is
right there with them. Now granted if I were Jesus, I may well pull the
child from a mother who didn't want it and put it into a "barren" woman,
but I'm not God.

>Note:  I am not impuning the motives or Christianity of the participants, I
>believe they have been misled by an organized attack on Christianity, not
>something for it.

I know. Just minister, just tell them you will help raise the child. That
will change minds. Those services are available in Richmond, and they are
NOT overflowing, even though they are there and free. Still some 7,000+
decided to kill their baby. Most have no idea what that "glob" looked
like.

There is a new song out that gives one a *LOT* to think about. It's about
a struggling couple that get pregnant. They decide to get an abortion,
have all the right answers, and have absolutely no complications. THEN,
as they are getting "momma" ready to leave, the husband hears the doctor
say, "What a shame, a girl with blond hair and blue eyes." The rest of
the song is about him agonizing over what he has done.
>
>This is my opinion only, it is not meant to insult nor injure, just to
>provoke thought.

So is mine, and I'm sure so was Marty's. Did I do okay?

My daughter marched in a mini-march for life in Richmond here and was
selected to hand a petition to the assembly for Pro-Life by the group.
Yeeeeessssssssss.

Maks.
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