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From: gdm7238@zeus.tamu.edu (MCBRIDE, GARY DEAN)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:12:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <aDaoiB2w164w@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us>, arnold@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us (Jonathan Hefler) writes...
>I have finally figured out which came first, the chicken or the egg. It 
>is the egg, and I have sound reasoning to back up my claim.
> 
>-----
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>Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this message.

Actually, the chicken and the egg dilemma is not much of a dilemma.  If you
believe in evolution than a near-chicken gave birth to a chicken egg.  If you
believe in sudden creationism then god created chickens.  So the debate is a
really much more complicated one than it seems for the true debate is evolution
versus sudden creationism.  Might I refer you to Talk.Origins for that 
particular debate.

Gary McBride
From: lbn@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: re: 2nd order causality
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:21:17 EDT
Distribution: talk
Organization: Cornell University

when you say that "false beliefs.... founded on ignorance" of facts know
elsewhere [a correct paraphrase, i hope? lest i wittily indict myself? :) ] i'm
not clear on how or why such "false" beliefs are refuted/refused by the
"program".  you seem, in fact, to contradict that true/false dichotomy later on
when you give the example of precognition and prophecy.  and as for the whole
thing, it sounds to me like basically a technified update of Spinoza...
of course, Spinoza established a tentative -- or at least implied -- basis
for the operant principles of this primary program -- for Spinoza, god...

dave liebman

Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: rv@cs.brown.edu (Rodrigo Vanegas)
Subject: Re: THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:10:53 GMT

In article <aDaoiB2w164w@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us>, arnold@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us (Jonathan Hefler) writes:

> I have finally figured out which came first, the chicken or the egg. It 
> is the egg, and I have sound reasoning to back up my claim.

"The chicken was invented by the egg in order to make more of its own."
			-paraphrase of random quote from memory

-rodrigo <rodrigo@brown.edu>
From: gdm7238@zeus.tamu.edu (MCBRIDE, GARY DEAN)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Eugenics
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:05:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <28MAR199214085780@pearl.tufts.edu>, sdaniel@pearl.tufts.edu (STEVEN G. DANIEL) writes...
]I'm sorry, but the idea of trying to breed human beings of greater intelligence
]in order to promote morality and various other goods is just silly. First
]because the notion of "intelligence" is too vague to mean anything interesting
]unless we define it narrowly to mean "whatever it is the I.Q. tests measure";
]second because, for all we know, there's no interesting connection between
]"intelligence", moral fiber and various other goods. 
] 
]Steven Daniel

Any Eugenics program IMHO would have to be aimed at physiological improvement
which does have some impact upon intelligence.  I do not see how or indeed why
it would have to be justified in terms of moral development.

Gary McBride
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: onstott@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONSTOTT CHARLES OR)
Subject: Re: David Hume and personal identity
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:06:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.182845.4728@news.nd.edu> Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu writes:
>Why does Hume think that the problem concerning personal identity is a
>grammatical one rather than a philosophical one?  
  He doesn't, it is a philosophical problem.  Otherwise, explain what you
mean.

>
>Also, could the devil ever become good again?
Yes

>Brennan

BCnya,
  Charles O. Onstott, III

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Undergraduate in Philosophy                   Oklahoma State University


"A man is a philosopher of genius only when he succeeds in transmuting 
the primitive and merely natural vision into an abstract idea belonging 
to the common stock of consciousness...The golden apples drop from the 
same tree, whether they be gathered by an imbecile locksmith's 
apprentice or by a Schopenhauer."
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From: comptec91065@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: A further test / no apologies
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:40:58 GMT

What can make mud think?
From: Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: David Hume and personal identity
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:28:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr15.182845.4728
Organization: University of Notre Dame

Why does Hume think that the problem concerning personal identity is a
grammatical one rather than a philosophical one?  

Also, could the devil ever become good again?

Oh, these questions are directed at you.
Thank YOU.
Brennan
From: mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: ETHICS NEWSGROUP???
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:33:30 GMT
Organization: New York University


Does anyone know of a newsgroup which deals solely with Ethics?
If you do, please e-mail me the address.

BTW, in reference to a post in this newsgroup I just read, "Objective
Morals" is a contradction of terms.
Newsgroups: alt.sex,talk.philosophy.misc
From: renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English)
Subject: Re: Why We are ... /so/
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:07:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs

In article <1992Mar7.101328.9586@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>					...Still, my original claim was made
>(speculatively, to be sure) to the effect that no objective moral standard
>could justify homosexual behavior.  The reason for making this claim has to
>do with empirical considerations, rather than with any sort of Kantian a
>priori reasoning.  Briefly, whatever the etiology of homosexuality might
>be, whether it is a matter of choice or biological makeup, as long as there
>is something about it that makes the homosexual into an outsider, this very
>factor will run counter to the altruistic foundation required by any viable
>moral edifice.  You might consider the moral implications of a choice that
>renders one's sexuality *essentially* sterile, in a way that is far more
>fundamental than that involved in the use of birth control, or even in the
>selection of an infertile opposite-sex partner.  Personally, I don't see
>any way to accomodate such a choice within any rational, objective moral
>conception; if anyone should feel otherwise, I would like to hear about it.

The comments that you make about homosexuality could be applied equally
to a celibate religious community as that found in the Roman Catholic
Church.  There have been many arguments brought forth by many within the
church hierarchy as to why this doctrine is essential to the health of
the church.  Some of them have to do with sex itself, which has tended
to be seen as a lower function of man and one best avoided by the holy,
and some have to do with the social aspects of family units.  In the
latter case, it has been argued that a family would interfere with the
priest's ability to act in accordance with the larger spiritual
interests of the community.  In other words, the argument has been that
family interests interfere with the "altruistic foundation required by
any viable moral edifice," and that society benefits from having a class
without such interests.

--bob--
Speaking only for myself.
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From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Conspiracy
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 12:25:08 GMT

Has anyone ever heard this one:

H & R Block is secretly a part of the IRS.

They intentionally don't tell people about deductions they have a right to
so the IRS will collect more money.
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital, just
with an incredible number of bits.
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From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Untraviolet
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:01:28 GMT
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <16570@plains.NoDak.edu> galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster) writes:
>Sometimes people ask questions about the potential harmful effects of UV
>exposure while being out in the nude.  Someone always writes a sensible
>response.  But apparently there's more to the story:
>
>Recently I heard a news report stating that peer data (from other scientists
>besides NASA, who publicized this in the first place) does not support the
>conclusion that the ozone layer is being depleted.  The general idea is that
>ozone is highly variable, that holes appear and disappear frequently, and that
>the big hole recently publicized may have been the result of a volcano.  The
>scientists say that overall, ozone had increased by 25% since the early
>70's (my memory may not be exact here)
>                                 AND.....
>The level of UV reaching the earth's surface has actually decreased 
>in recent years!
>
>A group of 21 (number may not be exact) prominent scientists signed a
>petition to the United Nations when they had their conference on global
>warming which declared the whole thing a hoax and urged the UN to stop
>this nonsense.
>
>The reason NASA would promote inaccurate data?  Research money!  No one
>will give you money for research if you say there's no problem!
>
>The cost?  Trillions to consumers as we ban cfc's from refrigerators and
>air conditioners and replace them with more expensive chemicals (whose
>detrimental side effects have yet to be discovered).
>
>And what of the cost to integrity?
>
>Sorry if this seems inappropriate for rec.nude--it was because of the UV
>that I thought you'd be interested.
From: drumm@crs.cl.msu.edu (Steve Drumm)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: BALL STATE 1992 election read
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:38:25 GMT
Organization: MSU RoundTable

In article <1992Apr10.162049.6109@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00drkoch@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.160550.6104@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00jlrushton@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>> Hey ball state has decided to not elect gay people instead the elect the
>> president to be the one with the best boobs!
>> 
>Personally from what I read in the Daily News Miss McMillian had a much better
>platfrom then Mr. Speakman.  
>
>Secondly I never knew Mr. Speakman was gay, nor consider that Miss McMillian
>had nice boobs.  I voted for who I thought was the bes candidate.
>
>Thrid, why did you post here?  No one but BSU people want to here your
 ^^^^^wow, what a strange name.
>bitching.
>

	Actually...I like to hear about things going on at BSU.
	I guess, mainly, just because I used to live in Muncie.
	You know, sometimes I actually miss the place, but then
	I think of all the cow shit in the air during Spring and
	Fall. I am glad I moved.
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Cher and Mount Rushmore
Keywords: repost nntpxmit failed
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:02:31 GMT
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

Did Cher really believe that Mount Rushmore was the result of natural
wind and rain erosion or was that an evil rumor spread by Sonny?

Tx? [I'd still sex her even if she did]
--
-- Tim [O'Donoghue] <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <...!uunet!uknet!canon!tim>
From: lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: weekly world news..............this one's a classic
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:04:37 GMT
 <1992Apr13.193720.26236@aero.org><1992Apr14.203131.16174@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Reminds me of a friend of mine. She didn't have an ovarian cyst, it was
a fibroid tumor. It wasn't particularly large until she got pregnant.
Then it grew prodigiously, and caused her ultimately to have a cesarean. 

Her husband, wag that he is, decided to take photos in the delivery
room. There in the snapshot was Sandie, lying on an operating table,
smiling and waving at the camera, fully draped with hospital-green
sheets, except for the incision. It was quite large and it had something
big and round emerging from it. 

"Is that the baby's head?" everyone would ask. 

"No," came the inevitable response. "That's the fibroid."
From: scls_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Amelia Erhart
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:13:33 GMT
Distribution: talk
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr9.194736.14336@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.173833.10437@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bdaher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian D Daher) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.125743.11607@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> y8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.e
>>du writes:
>>>    I have recently heard an interesting rumor.
>>>Amelia Erhart, the female aviator, did survive the crash on the island
...
>>>  Jerry Brown has plans of making her first lady.
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>That will be hard to do since Jerry Brown is gay.

>It'll be even harder to do since Jerry Brown doesn't stand a fart's chance
>in a tornado of being elected President.  (of the U.S., anyway)

Aw, c'mon, that's not a rumor!
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From: bobd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Subject: Re: Amelia Erhart
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:49:24 GMT

In article <9204092349.12@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.173833.10437@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bdaher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian D Daher) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.125743.11607@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> y8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.e
>>du writes:
>>>    I have recently heard an interesting rumor.
>>>Amelia Erhart, the female aviator, did survive the crash on the island in the
>>>pacific ocean. She was part of the mafia and was given the new identity in
>>>Calcutta of Mother Theresa. Jerry Brown has plans of making her first lady.
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>That will be hard to do since Jerry Brown is gay.
>
>
>So what was he doing with Linda Ronstadt?
>

They claim they were just sitting in his room playing albums....
-- 
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From: sb5f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan Burris)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Jerry Brown gay? (was RE: Amelia Erhart)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:14:27 GMT
	<1992Apr14.220328.6403@bsu-ucs.uucp>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Senior, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I know for a fact that it is actually mother theresa that is gay.  She
hid Amelia Erhart as her personal sex slave for years in return for the
great costume she would get to wear.  Jerry Brown is gay but only with
certain alien life forms. 
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From: jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jon Hodapp)
Subject: Re: weekly world news..............this one's a classic
Organization: JHU/APL
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:17:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.161549.23525@oz.plymouth.edu>, michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr11.030856.16774@wam.umd.edu> spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:
> >
> >
Another classic was the 180 lb ovarian cyst removed from the woman at Hopkins.
I'm watching the 6 p.m. news, when this tag line is read by the anchorman:

"After this break, we'll have highlights from the O's game, Densie Crosby
will be talking to some local community leaders, plus - pictures of that
giant ovarian cyst. "

Needless to say, I was watching 'Hello,Larry' for my dinner time TV.

Jon               JMHODAPP@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: weekly world news..............this one's a classic
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:08:56 GMT



The new Weekly World News is in, and its another classic!

IN this issue, we have:

the 300 pound ovarian cyst

the  exclusive interview with the alien who landed on the Nimitz

the stripper with three breasts

the amazing jellyfish man

naked bungee jumping



and much, much more here on talk.rumor


TO BE CONTINUED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.



lev



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From: bdaher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian D Daher)
Subject: Re: Amelia Erhart
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: talk
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:38:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.125743.11607@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> y8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.e
du writes:
>    I have recently heard an interesting rumor.
>Amelia Erhart, the female aviator, did survive the crash on the island in the
>pacific ocean. She was part of the mafia and was given the new identity in
>Calcutta of Mother Theresa. Jerry Brown has plans of making her first lady.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That will be hard to do since Jerry Brown is gay.
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: Amelia Erhart
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Distribution: talk
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:53:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.173833.10437@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bdaher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian D Daher) writes:

>That will be hard to do since Jerry Brown is gay.

    Well, you picked the right newsgroup to post that in, I suppose.
    BTW, so was James Buccanan.  I have the same number of facts to
    back that up as you do.

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From: michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark)
Subject: Re: weekly world news..............this one's a classic
Reply-To: michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 16:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.030856.16774@wam.umd.edu> spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:
>
>
>The new Weekly World News is in, and its another classic!
>
>IN this issue, we have:
>
>the 300 pound ovarian cyst
>
I did not see this in the Weekly WOrld News, however this is A TRUE
story, there was a woman last fall who had a 300 pound ovarian Cyst
removed...I had to read the article twice and then show it to other
people just to see if I understood it...It was an Associated Press
story, and I saw it in more than one newspaper so I am certain that it
was not a tabloid story gone awry!  Can you imagine having a 300 pound
cyst in your body?  YUK
From: lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: weekly world news..............this one's a classic
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:06:17 GMT
 <1992Apr13.193720.26236@aero.org><1992Apr14.203131.16174@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Sorry for the inappropriate posting. For a moment I thought this was
netnews.talk.tumors ;-)
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From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: Sam who?
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:48:29 GMT

In article <199204130337.AA16839@tigger.jvnc.net> richh@TIGGER.JVNC.NET 
(RICHH) writes:

>died?

Comedian Sam Kinison was deliberately hit by someone's car. They're holding
the guy under arrest for murder. I thought he was funny, but this doesn't
surprise me too much as he was quite an inflammatory guy. Still, he had
talent...

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From: shag@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt)
Subject: Re: weekly world news..............this one's a classic
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.161549.23525@oz.plymouth.edu> michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.030856.16774@wam.umd.edu> spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:
> >
> >The new Weekly World News is in, and its another classic!
> >
> >IN this issue, we have:
> >
> >the 300 pound ovarian cyst
> >
> I did not see this in the Weekly WOrld News, however this is A TRUE
> story, there was a woman last fall who had a 300 pound ovarian Cyst
> removed...I had to read the article twice and then show it to other
> people just to see if I understood it...It was an Associated Press
> story, and I saw it in more than one newspaper so I am certain that it
> was not a tabloid story gone awry!  Can you imagine having a 300 pound
> cyst in your body?  YUK
> 

I believe this was talked about quite a lot in alt.tasteless.  If
I remember right, she weighed something like 700 lbs before the
cyst was removed.  The docs had to remove several square feet of
skin after the operation -- she shrank a bit when they removed the
darn thing.  The cyst got its own gurney to be wheeled away.  And
now a gross fact -- the cyst contained teeth and hair.

Shag

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      Rob Unverzagt       |   of whiskey and beautiful women and you're at
 shag@aerospace.aero.org  |   work.  What are ya, crazy or something?"
                          |                          -- a voice in my head
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