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From: tfullert@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy D Fullerton)
Subject: Re: Racks
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:42:12 GMT

In article <9211211618.aa02911@gate.demon.co.uk> Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK> writes:
>Gearhead alert.
>
>I'm currently in mid-investigation of flight racks. I've come across some
>reasonably decent-looking American ones made by SBA or SBX or something

	<much deleted>
>
>Onto the second problem: the racks are 15" deep, with another 1.75"-2" or
>so clearance in the front and read lids. (So, what *is* 1/2 plus 5/8?)


	Might I suggest you have the rack custom made? I had one made for
myself by Cabbage Cases. You can specify all of the dimensions and recieve an
Anvil-like case. I am really happy with what I got.

	Cabbage Cases
	1166 Steelwood Rd.
	Columbus, Ohio 43212
	USA

	(614) - 486 - 2495

	Tim.


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From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Racks
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>        Might I suggest you have the rack custom made?

Hmm, that's a possibility. There are some firms in the UK that custom-make
cases, but I think I can get by with pre-made ones. I had a phone chat with
Mike Metlay (Tran$$$Atlantic...) and the general conclusion is that the SKB
racks are good. I need to check closely whether I can fit the MKS-70 and
D-550 into them with right-angle connectors. And I need to check the weld
seals on the edges; they looked fine on the SKB's I saw, but also looked
like the potential weak point. (Thanks to Ken Morton for pointing this
out.)

                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:00:00 CDT
From:         Z3CBN@TTACS.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Editor/Librarians

Al,
I the Opcode librarians and love them. I am rarely involved w/ any high
end studio stuff but I have made a few commercial jingles in which I
used them. However; as anyone who has this knows,it's like having any of
the things in life that we take for granted, Once you have had it, you can't liv
e without it. If you use Vision, it is possible to copy the patch names right
into the sequencer, no hunting for numbers of cut/pasteing names,very conveinent
Here is a number for Computers and Music, they have the lowest price that I have
 found 800-767-6161.
Hope this helps
__Cliff
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From:         Thunder-Thumbs <siffert@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU>
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hi, could someone remove me?  i'm sorry to waste bandwidth, but
I couldn't find a help file anywhere... =(

aw, hell, might as well make myself useful.  I bought myself
an Elka-mk88/II to go with my 486/33 and roland scc-1, and I'm
extreeeemely happy.  the keys feel great (actually, a few near
the bottom stick, but the store can fix them up), and the control
panel is extensive enough to let me control almost all the scc
capabilities without software.  Just turn on the windows sequencer,
let the screen-saver come on, and play for hours.  It's great!
There are all kinds of splitting capabilities on the thing that
I haven't even begun to play with yet (I'm still a novice...)
so I think this will keep me satisfied for ages to come, or until
the next paycheck, whichever comes first.  =)

In the meantime, does anyone know of a dos driver for the scc-1 that
I could load on bootup, so I could patch-change from my keyboard
without having to enter windows or any programs?  I don't know how
to do this, but there has to be a way.  If anyone knows, could you
send me private email?  Even if you *know* there ISN'T a way, tell
me.

But in the meantime, remove me from this list.  =)

Thanks,
Curt Siffert
siffert@spot.colorado.edu
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From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: For sale: ESQ-1
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              Nov 17, 92 10:35:31 am

Dana Nibby writes:
>
> *********** For Sale **************************
>
> E N S O N I Q   E S Q - 1   s y n t h e s i z e r
>

That's two, Dana.

 --- Joe M.
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:35:31 -0500
From:         Dana Nibby <D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      For sale: ESQ-1
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*********** For Sale **************************

E N S O N I Q   E S Q - 1   s y n t h e s i z e r

* 61 VELOCITY SENSITIVE KEYS

* 8 TRACK SEQUENCER. ONE OF THE EASIEST SEQUENCERS TO USE

* 8 PART MULTI-TIMBRAL

ETC. ETC.


* comes w/heavy-duty soft case, sustain pedal, 10,000 note
  sequencer memory expander, manual (of course)

$420. buyer pays shipping


    Dana
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:52:55 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
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>.. To solve quickly and cheaply your problems Why don't you go and have a look
>to the new Roland 240R line input mixer (Ok no MIDI

That's the reason. I'm really keen on total automation.

Nick.
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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
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              at Nov 16, 92 11:26 am

>I ran across an ad for OPCODE's Galaxy Plus Editors software for the
>Mac in this months Keyboard magazine.  Has anybody had any experience
>with this product?  Is it only intended for high-end studio use (it
>sounds expensive)?  And lastly, are there any competing products
>available to the starving musician?

I use Galaxy without editors. I consider it to be the best-arranged,
cleanest, least-aggravating librarian program for the Mac right now.
I got my copy for free when I bought Vision, and love it to death.
I may upgrade to the "Plus editors" package, but I try to avoid such
things by buying synths with easily usable front panels. |->


--
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atomic city              | giving rhythm to her posts
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:24:27 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Mackie Automation (was Re: Fostex MIDI mixer)
Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List <EMUSIC-L@american.edu>

>I don't remember the
>individual prices, but 2 DCMs and a MT come to $1830 before shipping.

Yup, that's pretty much what I'm going to pay (assuming the things turn out
to be good enough quality/functionality). List here is L1050.

>Ah, but what's half a grand
>difference for getting 16 stereo channels of fully automated mixer in
>2U spaces?

Quite so; or two gig racks each with a MIDI Time Piece and a dedicated
mixer (which is my plan)?

>Now if the s/n were 90 db or so, would I scramble?  Hmmm...

Well, I would...

                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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From:         Larry Larraga <larry@TAQUITO.CNS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Spec question
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>>Now, is anyone else out there as excited as me by the Fostex MIDI mixers?
>>(Assuming they work.)

When I had heard of the DCM/Mixtab about 6 months I promptly called
Fostex to get any more details.  Amazingly, I was put through to one
of the development engineers, who was very considerate in answering
my questions.  Finally, apologizing for his poor English, the engineer
offered to send me copies of pages from the manual including specifications!

I had thought long about the Mark of the Unicorn Mixer 7s, but the
audio quality stopped me.  I picked up a Mackie 1202 and found that
the wonderful headroom and virtual silence of the thing made it a
perfect choice for my submixing needs.  Now, in the middle of a
rather extensive mixdown project I find myself wishfully thinking
about MIDI automation again.  Trouble is, the published 78 db signal
to noise spec of the DCM100 probably won't cut it.  The published
Mackie spec of 90 db nominal is, as I stated earlier, virtually
silent for my environment (submixing synths in parallel with an analog
1/2" 8-track w/dbx type 1 mixed all to DAT).  I have a Yamaha AM802
submixer  that has a stated 82 db S/N that in comparison to the Mackie
seems hissy.  So, I'm assuming the DCM100 will only be that much worse.
Trouble is - I'm out of channels and studio space and money. 32 channels
of DCM100 + MixTab might only be $1300-1500 and 2 rackspaces.  32 channels
of Mackie 1604 + MixerMixer and 2 OTTO-1604 automation is more like
$3000+ and 14 rackspaces.  No can do.  OK, maybe I CAN find the space
for 'em, but not the extra $1700 fer sure.

In short, can't wait to hear it.  I know published specs only tell one
side of it.  But can a 12 db S/N difference on paper translate to
acceptably quiet for recording?  I guess I could bring in my Mackie
to A/B it with the DCM100.
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From:         Andrea TONI <andrea@SIHP03.SI.ESTEC.ESA.NL>
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> So, I'm assuming the DCM100 will only be that much worse.
> Trouble is - I'm out of channels and studio space and money. 32 channels
> of DCM100 + MixTab might only be $1300-1500 and 2 rackspaces.  32 channels
> of Mackie 1604 + MixerMixer and 2 OTTO-1604 automation is more like
> $3000+ and 14 rackspaces.  No can do.  OK, maybe I CAN find the space
> for 'em, but not the extra $1700 fer sure.

Hi,
.. To solve quickly and cheaply your problems Why don't you go and have a look
to the new Roland 240R line input mixer (Ok no MIDI but 24 line 3 + 1 aux and
here in Holland ~1200 $ .. I guess much cheaper in USA !! .. And
usual high quality Roland specs ..).
Well it looks nice on paper .. but I didn't try to use it .. SO go listen and
judge yourself ! .. And it is only 4 rack space units !

Ciao,
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From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Challenges
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              Schabtach" at Nov 17, 92 10:29:30 pm

Adam Schabtach writes:
> >   the range of about a 5th or so, and then gyutosmurf into interesting,
> >   but non-tympani sounds.                   ^^^^^^^^
>
> My God! Do we have a new term for the "Darth Vader/chipmunk effect"?
> And he's turned it into a verb, no less!      :-)
>
See, this is *different* than chipmunking. Gyutosmurfing occurs when
the effect produces a useful and musically valid effect. Chipmunking
either sounds silly or lame. :-)

 --- Joe M.
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Metlay's Expander timpani made me think of my current synth programming
brain-teaser.....(crrriippes I wish I had one of those machines!).  On
my old OBX, I had a sound I'd like to use now, thru midi, on my D110.
I spent 4 hours trying last nite to no avail.  Maybe someone is familiar
with this sound enough to explain what is happening.  Its a plucked
kind of filter/envelope combination, but on the OBX, it produced an
intriguing, random effect where sometimes the filter would release into
full open, making the note ring --- but only on occasion.  This was
undoubtedly due to the unstable oscillators and filters of that era God
bless 'em......   Anyway, the oscillators and filters on the Roland
can approximate the timbre and envelope, but the OBX had some kind of
undefinable filter/oscillator interaction that I sorely miss - a most
organic kind of thing.  Something interesting seemed to happen at the
point where the oscillator's attack was ramping up and the filter's
ramped down.  1) Does anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
2) Has anyone encountered this on a Roland L/A machine?
<X>

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:39:26 AST
From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: (gyutosmurfin')

> >[...]  Where is that list of syntho-terms ?
> > Oh ya...must have been on rec.music.random.name.change...
>
> Not reading it any more, I wouldn't know. And I find I don't miss it,
> either. The S/N ratio has climbed quite a bit on EMUSIC-L lately....
>
I lost my connection when they changed the name, and SYNTH-L lost its
connection. I am rather glad. The noise level was getting _very_ high.
Did you know that Joe is continuing SYNTH-L as the hardware mate to this
list ? It is pretty quiet now, but hopefully will pick up a bit.

> >> BOO! HISS! CHEATERS! BOOOOOOOO! My faith in Wendy Carlos is shot. |-P
> >>
> >Actually, (not wanting to start anything here...) it was Walter that
> >did the cheating :-)
>
> Be careful, Alan. John Rossi nearly went to prison for mentioning that
> on the Internet. |-\
>
Wow. I didn't realize that it was THAT serious...my apologies to everyone
that I may have offended...I didn't want to start anything...really....

> >I am interested in synthesizing this sound, since the piece I am opening
> >my next concert with is going to be that Sinfonia...

> I would imagine that you could do it very effectively with something like
> the MicroWave I sold you (is Kathy still trying to pour soup into it?).
>
That is exactally the beastie that I had in mind for the task, and yes,
we have managed to move past the "Why can't I cook something on it" phase.




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                transpositions upward or downward into a musically
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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Challenges (gyutosmurfin')
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              at Nov 18, 92 8:10 am

>I would be interested in hearing how you did this. ( I also want to know
>how to gyutosmurf a sound...)

I didn't have time to look at the patch last night, but I will tonight.
"Gyutosmurfing" is the Team-Metlayism for what is more commonly called
the "Chipmunk effect," where the tonal quality of a sample changes upon
large transpositions upward or downward (the latter being the "Darth
Vader effect.") It arose at the Saturnalia sessions this August, when
Adam Schabtach produced from his magic bag a disk of EPS samples made
by a friend of his in Boulder, consisting of the Gyuto Monks doing vocal
harmonic drones. They were great at the original pitches, but when
transposed up too far, we suddenly found ourselves listening to the
Gyuto Smurfs. Hence the verb "to gyutosmurf," coined by Joe. It has a
certain panache to it, but I don't think it'll sweep the industry. |->

>I remember reading an interview with W.Carlos sometime after the first
>S.O.B., and they asked about the tympani sound in the Sinfonia to Cantata
>29 (side 1 cut 1). Apparently this got a lot of interest at the time,
>because no one else was able to get that sound. It turned out they could
>not either, so they cheated and wheeled a couple of tymps that were
>sitting in the next room in and recorded them.

BOO! HISS! CHEATERS! BOOOOOOOO! My faith in Wendy Carlos is shot. |-P

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From:         Adam MIROWSKI <mir@OPUS.CHORUS.FR>
Subject:      Re: Roland JV-80 Suggestions wanted...
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> I recently visited a local music shop where I saw the Roland JV-80.  From
> all indications, it seems to be a very good product.  I was also pleased
> with its price (around $1600) and the number of sounds/samplings.
>
> Has anyone on the list had experience with the JV-80?

I have played with it a bit. What I dislike:
- only 8+1 parts, so no GM compatibility (think about
  games)
- external performances do not store Bank Changes so
  it cannot be used to properly control Roland GS devices
- no diskette drive and no sequencer (I would like a device
  to record music from the various games I have, and
  Windows is of no help - I have 2 midi interfaces -
  because of the timings)
- small display
- presets cannot be wiped out
- limited effects: reverb and chorus only
- boring demo songs (by Eric Pershing and Adrian Lyne(?))

> I would prefer to keep my costs below $2000.  Would the Roland be the best
> buy?  Any reply would be appreciated.

Someone suggested recently that a used D-70 could be
a better deal. I didn't have the time to listen to
the D-70 much (they are only on display in used gear
stores now, although still in Roland's catalog), but
have studied the manual carefully and the architecture
seems the same, except for the "synthesis" mode where
the D-70 loops over variable portions of samples (DLM)
and the JV-80 adds harmonics to the samples (FXM).
The D-70 has also 5+1 parts but 30 voice generators
instead of 28.
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From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: for sale: boss dr-660
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu
              Nov 17, 92 10:30:48 am

Dana, please don't post for-sale items here. Do it on SYNTH-L. Ads
are not permitted here by charter of the group.

 --- Joe M.
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From:         Peter Uchytil <peter@BERTHA.KENTROX.COM>
Subject:      Mackie Automation (was Re: Fostex MIDI mixer)
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>
> >32 channels
> >of Mackie 1604 + MixerMixer and 2 OTTO-1604 automation is more like
> >$3000+ and 14 rackspaces.
>
> And you don't get full automation either.
>
>
> Nick.
>

Caught this thread a bit late.  Nick, can you explain a little more what
you *do* get with the Mackie automation.  From the ads it sounded wonderful
(yeah, gulible me).  Tell me what I'm missing.

Pete
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From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      SySex ID

I realize that this is not the proper list for this, but I have posted
with no results to SYNTH-L and rmms...

I am working on yet another MIDI widget, and have decided that the proper
way to implement this one is with SySex. I recall seeing somewhere that
there is a manufacturer id reserved for independent research. Since my
company is not big enough to have its own id (maybe someday...) this is
the one that I should be using. Can anyone confirm this ?
I think that it is 127 (7FH).

Oh...you want to know what the widget does?

This may seem weird (oooh I typed wired for that...Freudian or what?)
but in the upcoming show(s) I have to cue the lighting and video
guys somehow, but it is tricky from on stage (besides, I will be busy
myself..) so I am setting up an old video terminal, and I want the
sequencer to put their cues up for them, so the project...MIDI to
RS-232 converter.

Those clever and witty amongst you might suggest using the KEY
Electronics MIDIator, and plugging it in backwards.

Bzzzzt. Sorry.  Wrong answer.

update to follow...

Alan



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