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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: saturn repair costs
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:08:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Dec17.210504.7578@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>|> BN>|> According to their charts, Saturns have the _highest_ "average five
>|> BN>|> repair costs not covered by warranty".
>|> BN>
>|> BN>Hmm, that's a neat trick, since they won't have five years' worth of
>|> BN>history on Saturn until 1996.
>
>Actually, doesn't this refer to things like Oil Changes, Tune Ups, Tires, etc?
>(unless all of this stuff is covered by a Saturn Warranty).  I imagine they 
>probably extrapolated to five years to make the data.

Oil changes for a saturn cost less at the dealership (in my case at least,
and in many others' across the US who shared their price lists) than they
do at the typical 10 minute place. I.e. $19.95 compared to $24.95. 

Tune ups. Not out of line in my experience. Certainly less than the 
golden tune-ups my 85 civic requires.

Tires. They're Firestone GTA's on the SL2, which can be found and installed
by firestone dealers across the US, and by others. Not VERY expensive.

Spiros
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: Long-term Engine Storage, Suggestions
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:42:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

John A Sigmon (jas20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com) wrote:
: Hi,
: .
: I am about to do an engine swap on my `86 4-Runner and am looking at
: storing the original engine for about 1 year. Other than changing the oil,
: putting a little oil in the cylinders, and removing all the antifreeze is
: there anything else I should do to keep the engine in re-usable condition?

Wrapping it and packing large desiccant bags around it can't hurt, especially
if it is going to sit outside, otherwise the desiccant isn't necessary.

Wes Fujii

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From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Have thieves ever broken into your trunk?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:55:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Are some makes of cars known to have more secure trunks than others?
Have thieves ever smashed windows but not gained access to your trunk?
If so, what make of car was it?  (It's ironic that car security systems
have gotten so good that criminals now just hijack the keys!  The best
defense seems to be a crummy car.)

When I bought my first sedan, an '84 Camry, I was living in high-crime
Berkeley, and thought the trunk added a nice security feature to replace
my '76 Honda station wagon.  On several occasions, thieves had smashed
windows to steal things of comparatively little value, such as an old
tennis racquet.  The deal was sealed when a Toyota salesman showed me
how the key would "doublelock" the trunk so it couldn't be opened with
the release latch inside the car.

Wrong!  That Camry trunk has to be the easiest mark in the world.  All
a thief needs is a screwdriver and it'll pop open in a second.  Over the
years I lost many items out of the Camry's trunk, including a 1st aid kit,
another tennis racquet, and a 6-pack of beer.  One consolation was that
thieves never smashed any windows, because the trunk was so easy to pop.
However, after a few screwdriver treatments, the trunk key stopped working,
so we always have to use the release latch.  What's worse, we can never
leave anything valuable in the trunk.

Now we find ourselves facing a dilemma.  I know sedans are quieter than
station wagons, and get better gas mileage because of lower curb weight
and coefficient of drag.  But I still love a station wagon, for hauling
stuff to the dump, carrying rafting and camping gear, and sleeping in the
back on rainy nights.  Should we buy a Volvo 850 sedan now, or wait until
the wagon comes out next year?  If Volvo trunks are just as insecure as
Toyota trunks, we might as well wait for the 850 wagon.  I assume Camry
trunks are just as bad as ever, since the lock and latch are co-located.
Volvos have the lock about 1/2 a meter away from the latch.

Xref: sparky rec.autos:29575 misc.consumers:20497
From: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Speed traps
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:09:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

Since we are on the subject, and approaching the holidays where people
might be doing a bunch of cross country driving, thought I'd throw
out the following...

For those of you planning on whizzing across Arizona on I-40 or I-10,
Arizona Highway Patrol LOVE to use "wolf packs".  What they do is
to string out 5 to 10 cars over a 15 mile stretch or so.  What most
people do is see the first car (usually with someone pulled over)
and think - aha - out here in the middle of the desert that's the
only cop for 100 miles - let's hit it.  Then WHAM - they get you
2 miles further down the road. etc for about 10 miles..

I've heard of people who actually got 3 consecutive tickets because
after they got the first one they were mad and hit it hard cuz they
thought that was the only cop.

The best defense for these is CB channel 19 for truckers coming the
opposite direction.  


- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Federal Seat Belt Blackmail (Re: Seat Belts Releaseing in Crashes
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:22:50 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <8769@orbit.cts.com> rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer) writes:
>
>But the real question is: Is *ANY* state loosing funds due to non-
>compliance with federal regulations?
>
Not really.  The 'penalties' consist of transfering some highway construction
funds to safety programs which meet certain requirements.  To receive the
construction money a state must pay for a certain percentage of the costs of
the construction project.  The state doesn't need to spend any of its money to
receive the money for safety programs.

There are a few states that do not have seat belt laws currently--Kentucky,
Massachusetts, and one (or both) of the Dakotas.  The law that requires state
seat belt laws also requires motorcycle helmet laws. Currently only about half
of the states have helmet laws for all motorcyclists.


-- 
Chas                         DoD #7769

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"
                                               - Firesign Theatre
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: '87 BMW 635csi
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:38:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) says:

[stuff deleted]
>I would probably go for something more like a Maserati 228, but this is
>not for practical reasons, I hasten to add. A good example of a 228 would
>also be costly, and probably more demanding than the BMW in maintenance. 
>
>My comment about unrepentant yuppies was fecetious, reflecting only that 
>the BMW does not fit my own sense of preferred image. When it comes to
>cars, I prefer things that are unusual, at least slightly exotic, and 
>not as widely coveted as some; in a word, something a bit bizarre. The 
>BMW 635csi is an excellent car, and if you like it, by all means buy it. 
>With a manual shift, I certainly would prefer it over anything from Lexus 
>or Infiniti or Mercedes.
>
>Given the choice though, I would look for something more offbeat, but that
>is simply a matter of taste.
>
>- BK
>
hmm..yeah..or you could buy the BMW, and make it special and offbeat..
if you don't mind a little extra $$ outlay..turbos, chips, wheels, tires,
all these things add to the car (not value in $$, but personality wise)
and are wonderful ways to make your ride YOURS!  Just a suggestion, as
i generally choose this(or would, if i had the $$ to do ANYTHING..)
good luck!
DREW
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: FORD TAURUS taillight RIPOFF!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:07:57 GMT

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>>The plastic cover on my '92 Ford Taurus was broken. It now has about a
>>2-3 inch hole in the middle of it roughly over the taillight. I called
>>Ford to see if they had a new plastic cover in stock and got a quote
>>for $131! They want to sell me an entire rear light assembly which
>>includes three lihts (backup, brake/turn, and tail), plastic cover,
>>metal assembly, etc.
>>Has anyone found a way to get around this RIPOFF besides anchoring
>>a piece of red cellophane over the hole?

>What amazes me is people bitch about $131 for a tail light lens but at
>the same time meekly fork over $15 or $20,000 for a plastic-and-tin-can
>jellybean-mobile car.
>
>Am I the only one for which the concept of paying more for a daily
>driver than I did for my first house somehow rings bogus?

I hear the same rantings from my father-in-law.  This is 1 9 9 2.
It's soon ganna be 1 9 9 3.  It is not 1 9 7 0.  The average home today
costs over $100,000.  When my daily driver costs more than that, I'll know
I've hit it big, or it's 2050.  What's bogus about inflation?  Higher
standard of living?  And what's wrong with jellybean mobiles?  :^)

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:21:08 GMT

In article <4844@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:
>I'm considering purchasing a car bra.  Now, I've heard the pros and cons, but
>still cannot decide.  I'm considering it because I've already had paint
>damage from stones thrown by cars on the freeway.  It's a crying shame.
>On the other hand, they look tacky and are expensive and of questionable 
>durability and may damage the paint (by trapping moisture.)
>
>So, what is the consensus?  Are they worth it?  Is there an alternative?  I
>don't want to have to repair my hood every few weeks.  All the construction
>on the freeways is increasing the probability of damage.  I need a solution.
>

personally, I think they're ugly and all of the above reasons you stated 
apply - one came with my car - I took it off quickly (need an 89' Taurus
bra?) - there's a number of things you can do to help keep your car looking
comparatively good - don't tailgate, keep back from trucks and those
high-in-the-air things some people are still driving (most don't have
decent mud flaps to help keep flying objects down) - there's not much else
you can do to keep the projectiles down - also, buy some touch-up paint 
from the dealer and touch-up some of the knicks before they get away -
it looks like you live in the NE - especially up there, but everywhere
else - a good coat of was does help the dpaint adhere better and fight off
the stones - good luck


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: drt@chinet.chi.il.us (Donald Tveter)
Subject: how does J. D. Powers determine a best buy?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:17:06 GMT

About 12 days ago there was big news on TV that American cars were now
better than Japanese cars (in most categories).  I noted with some
degree of happiness that the 93 Corsica I just ordered was a "best buy"
and safest in the compact class.

Well I expected to find the details in the newspapers here the next day
but the Sun-Times didn't have it so I bought the Tribune and that
didn't have it.  Then I expected the Wednesday Sun-Times auto section
to have it.  It didn't.  Then I looked for it in the Sunday Tribune
auto section.  No good.  I got to wondering if maybe the Clinton
administration stopped them from publishing this good news about the
American auto industry because it refutes their contention that
everything in America has been ruined by Reagan and Bush and so THEY
need to "fix" it.

Then the other day I went to a large downtown book store to scan the
book and find out exactly what numbers they crunched to determine a
best buy.  The guy there said that the J. D. Powers survey is only sold
to car dealers.  I concluded that the Clinton people must have been
there too!

So at the risk of becoming an enemy of The People, can anyone out there
tell me just how J. D. Powers determines a best buy?  What factors go
in, what formula is used?

Gotta go now, there's a knock at the door ...

Don Tveter
drt@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: HUMVEE
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:22:29 MST


In <adamsd.724225101@crash.cts.com> adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas)
writes:
>In <1992Dec8.144859.20452@schbbs.mot.com> ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul
>Anderson) writes:
>Umuch pricing info deletede
>>The operative word here is base.  The base 1993 does not even match the
>>the Limited Edition in equipment.  The typical unit is $55,000-$60,000.
>
>So what did an actual military Humvee cost the US Govt.?

In one of the many articles on the HUMVEE when it was first being
considered for the civilian market, the average US Military price was
approximately $29,000.  Yes, that's right.  The government is paying less
than the civilian market.


*============================================================================*
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* Paul Anderson                  *   /          \___   Exceptional Vehicles  *
*   ACUS05@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM   *  __Range_Rover__        are for         *
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Xref: sparky rec.autos:30125 misc.forsale:33749
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:05:08 EST
From: <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: FORSALE: Ferrari Mondial8 - only 1800 in the world...
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec17.222743.7243@adaclabs.com>, mlee@.adaclabs.com (Mike Lee )
says:

>My friend is VERY motivated to sell his car!!!!  Here's your chance to
>own a Ferrari Mondial8.  One of only 1800 in the WORLD!!!

>    Price: $34,900 (reasonable offers will be considered!)
>        ****
>                ****LOWERED TO $32,500 (best offers are accepted!!!)
>        ****

Best offers are accepted?  Does that mean your friend will accept the best
offer by say Dec 25?
Xref: sparky rec.autos:29573 rec.autos.driving:7156
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:08:58 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In the article, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
> This is a list of the "most tasteless" things you can put on a car.
            [long list deleted]
> Winner of "Best Abuse Of Technology of 1992" goes to - Talking Car Alarms
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 A local dealer was demo'ing one of these the other day.  It was going 
 through the warning steps "Please move away from the car" up to the
 time it activated the siren.  As the siren was activated, the alarm
 said, in a dull monotone, "Help, I'm being tampered with!"  Sheesh, 
 what a lousy message!  I'd be embarassed to have such a thing on my 
 car.  Maybe that's its objective - to EMBARASS the theives into going
 away!  I wonder what the RAP version sounds like?

 What would be better is a shrieking female voice screaming "HELP PERVERT!"

 TRAVIS
From: greg.roberts@dwarp.sccsi.com (Greg Roberts) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CHP can't use radar?(
Date: 11 Dec 92 09:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Data Warp Premium BBS - Spring/Houston, TX - 713-355-6107
Reply-To: greg.roberts@dwarp.sccsi.com (Greg Roberts) 

ST}>   I seriously doubt if the aircraft's speed indicators are accurate
ST}>   enough to use as a direct clocking like a patrol car's.

ST}         Since the plane's speed indicator is an airspeed indicator, it would
ST}be next to worthless for measuring the groundspeed of cars.

So true.  But that's not the way they do it.  If you will notice, there
are usually white stripes painted in the road in areas where aircraft
are used for speed control purposes.  The pilot times how long it takes
a vehicle to cover the distance marked off by the lines, and gets your
average speed through the area.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cgranfel@lesti.hut.fi (Peter"Pede" Granfelt)
Subject: Re: radar detector summation?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:09:49 GMT

In <1992Dec8.4168.41960@dosgate> "jp krivas" <jp.krivas@canrem.com> writes:

>Could somebody please send me the results/summation of the "which radar
>detector should I buy" query.


WHAT IS IT I HEAR??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I'm new to this newsgroup, so I've missed any such query. Here in Finland 
radar detectors are illegal (don't ask me why), and of course no such tests are
conducted here. However, I'm considering purchasing one, and I need to know
which detector is the best. I need a really good detector, since I don't want
to get cought (i.e. "stealth" model).

So, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ... and so on.. send the results.
I would be forever grateful. Thanx in advance!


Peter Granfelt
cgranfel@lesti.hut.fi

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Immobilising a diesel
Keywords: diesel
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:53:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.120721.4698@aisb.ed.ac.uk>, eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Eddie Rooney) writes:
|> Is there an easy way of immobilizing a diesel engine, in the same way as you might
|> remove the rotor arm on a petrol engine, or disconnect the coil?  Any ideas
|> appreciated.
|> 
|>

The best way is to somehow prevent the injector pump from passing fuel to
the injectors. 


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: chuang@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Chi Huang)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:47:03 GMT
Subject: RADAR DETECTOR
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I am thinkof  buying a radar detector, but have the following questions:

1. What is ka wideband? Is this only use by the photo-radar, or not?

2. What is stalker radar?

I am looking at Corba Trapshotter RD-6000W and want to know your experience
with it if you have one. Thankx in advance for your reply.

Chi

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dan@seismo.pnl.gov (Dan Hagedorn)
Subject: Re: Garage Door opener. Rec. Needed
Reply-To: dan@seismo.pnl.gov
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:54:21 GMT

In article 17583@newsgate.sps.mot.com, mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>In article <1739@rwja.umdnj.edu>, holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak) writes:
>|> I know some people talked about this a while back but, alas, the
>|> news server has gone and eaten them for good.  
>|> 
>|> Can anyone let me know what a good brand of garage door opener is?
>|> 
>|> I've seen some Stanley models down at the Home Depot for around $150.00.
>|> Are these any good and how difficult are they to install?
>|> 
>|> Also, are those automatic reverse sensors useful? We have several
>|> small kids in the area and I'd hate to see them mangled by the 
>|> garage door.
>
>I recommend the Chamberlain units (some Sears models are made by Chamberlain).
>As fas as the auto-reverse feature, it's pretty much standard as a safety feature.
>One word of caution about auto-reverse:  it senses motor load, and if the door
>has resistance to movement you end up setting the load too high.  Also the load
>to reverse at mid-travel is only a fraction of the closing force that is 
>developed as the door lever "cams over" and starts it's downward movement.
>
>Bottom line, if you are really concerned about the safety of small children or
>pets, I would get the photo-detect door blockage accessory (which most GDO's
>can supply as an accessory).
>
>My past experience with Stanley and/or Genie is that they may have nice
>screw drives, but their overall quality is mediocre and their electronics
>are yuck.  Also parts are not as easy to obtain (most Chamberlain parts
>can be gotten at Sears Service Centers).
>
>Mark


So, How about just going to Sears and getting one of theirs?  I did, and for 
$139.00 plus tax, I got an easy-to-install opener, two remotes, and all of the
pieces I needed for installation.  The 1/2 hp unit is quite adequate for a double
wooden garage door, and has always reversed when hitting an object left in the way,
including on several occasions, me!  This is the third opener I have gotten from
Sears, and have always been quite pleased.

Dan Hagedorn.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,ba.market.misc,misc.forsale
From: mlee@.adaclabs.com (Mike Lee )
Subject: FORSALE: Ferrari Mondial8 - only 1800 in the world...
Originator: mlee@hourglass
Organization: Adac Laboratories, Milpitas Ca
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:27:43 GMT

I am posting this for a friend, please contact that person!

You can reply to this account or contact my friend directly...

My friend is VERY motivated to sell his car!!!!  Here's your chance to
own a Ferrari Mondial8.  One of only 1800 in the WORLD!!!
 
    1982 Ferrari Mondial8
 
    Red exterior / Tan interior
 
    Clean California Car, Excellent Driver and Well Maintained.
    
    Details:
    
        Full power sunroof, windows, and mirrors
    
        Air Conditioning
    
        16" 2-piece Gotti Wheels
    
        Goodyear VR tires
    
        60,000 miles
    
    Price: $34,900 (reasonable offers will be considered!)
        ****
		****LOWERED TO $32,500 (best offers are accepted!!!)
        ****
 
If interested, please contact Brandon Chin (510) 865-9706 after 3pm