From: 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX in Atlanta(kinda long)
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:52:45 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <188jpjINNqlr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) says:
> 
>>CSX QUESTION
>>
>>MIKE:
>>
>>You're probably going to get a lot of traffic on this one, but
>>I'll take the first shot.  CSX corporation was formed by the
>>merger of the Chessie System (C&O, B&O) with the Family Lines
>>(Seaboard Coast Line--ex-Seaboard and Atlantic Coast Line--
>>plus the Louisville & Nashville, plus a lot of smaller lines
>>this system controlled).  It is not uncommon to still see odd
>>mixes of their diesels since many older units are running out
>>their last miles in pre-merger paint schemes.  Get your pictures
>>while you can.
> 
> 
>   That's a pretty good summary.  I think Family Lines adopted the name "Seaboard
> System" before the final "merger" into CSX (Chessie and Seaboard/Family Lines
> were merged long before an engine ever got CSX paint)  The schemes that still
> exist on scattered locomotives on the CSX (from what I've seen/heard) are:

OK, here's how I understand it:
Back in 1980 or so, the companies of Chessie System, consisting of C&O,B&O and
WM, were merged with Seaboard Coast Line Industries, which consisted of L&N,
SCL, Clinchfield, and several other southern short-lines. Then in 1982, L&N
and SCL were merged to form Seaboard System. At the time of creation, they
said you'd never see CSX on the side of a boxcar, I guess they changed their
minds, because in 1986, they decided to merge the companies, and came out
with a merger paint scheme(The blue/gray scheme) with the owner's initials
under the number. Seaboard had been renumbering their engines in the early
80's in anticipation of this, and after the merger, Chessie system engines
were also renumbered into this common scheme. I believe the renumbering was
complete by early-late 1989. Well, back to the story... They merged B&O into
C&O in early 87. Then in the beginning of August of 87, they merged C&O into
Seaboard, then in late August of 87, they merged Seaboard into CSX, and so 
finished the history of Chessie System and Seaboard System.


> 
> 1. "Seaboard System"
> 2. Family Lines
> 3. L&N
> 4. SCL
> 5. Chessie System
> 6. B&O (One GP30M was recently repainted in the "sunburst" scheme for a 
>         historical society...I saw it in Cleveland, OH on 8/20/92)
The unit you speak of is 4253, and I almost seen it last April. There is also
another GP30m with a sunburst on the nose also, but this one is from the paint
on top of it being almost completely worn off, it's number is 4236, and I seen
it a couple of months ago in St Joe, Michigan

> 7. Western Maryland (the one unit still carrying this scheme is reportedly out
>                      of service now) 
This engine was the last unit carrying WM paint on it. It's number is 6573, and
used to be WM 3798. It was running on E603-25 from Newport News to Richmond VA
on May 25th, and suffered heavy electrical damage. It was sent to a yard(I
can't recall the name), it was then sent to Cumberland for evaluation, then it
was subsequently retired, and forwarded to Cincinatti OH for storage or scrap,
and has been there ever since June 5th. I seen this unit once at the end of
March this year.

> 8. CSX blue and grey (several versions)
There was the original with the words CSX Transportation on the side, then the
simplified CSX lettering instead.
> 9. CSX "stealth"
They then tried this very infamous scheme that was hard to see on a fogy day.

> 10. CSX #8 with a yellow nose painted on top of old scheme

They modified both the stealth and original by adding a yellow nose and ends
and also a yellow frame stripe

> 11. CSX blue, grey, and yellow "the final (?) version"
> 
They then finally decided on a great looking scheme(IMHO)
> Plus those GP39-2's CSX acquired from D&H/Guilford (ex-Reading):
> 
> 12. D&H/Guilford grey
> 13. D&H blue & grey "lightning stripe"
> 14. Reading green and yellow
I believe there was also a green and yellow lightning stripe, I remember
seeing it one afternoon(no camera of course)
These were originally Reading 7400-7419, and then D&H same numbers, CSX
purchased them and renumbered then 4300-4319 to fit in their numbering system
(Yes CSX actually has a numbering system) They are right after the GP30m's
which are 4200-4266 and the ex C&O GP39's(3900-3919) which are numbered
4280-4299. They are on top of the old GP35's which are basically non-existant
on CSX, except for the bodies which are on their road slugs(#2200-2330)

There might still be a few C&O engines floating around. I haven't seen any
in about 2 years, there were also a couple engines in Clinchfield.
I also seen an engine, 6390 which was solid black and had some strange
lettering on the side which I thought said something like Central of Georgia
but they went in to Norfolk Southern, so it wasn't them. It seems like it
had the word Georgia on it though.
There are also 20 B40-8's from Susquehanna which were 4000-4019 on NYS&W,
but CSX purchased them and renumbered them 5930-5949, again to fit in their
scheme. Some of these still cary the yellow and black Susie-Q scheme.
Here's a break down of CSX's numbering scheme:
under 1000- executive F's and engines not expected to be around long(old GP7's
     and 9's that were retired a couple years ago)

1000's engines under 2000 HP both builders. These include all SW1500's, MP15's
(MP15DC,MP15AC,MP15T), GP15T's, the lone GP18, GP16's and U18B's and some
yard slugs from both Chessie(1039-1050, ex Chessie 139T-150T) and ex SBD
yard slugs

2000's 2000 HP EMD's. These include ex Chessie GP38's which are now numbered
   2001-2130 and ex SBD GP38's 2131-2199, road slugs which look like GP30's
and GP35's numbered 2200-2330 and some SD20's and SD38's and a bunch of SBD
and L&N GP38-2's numbered from 2500- 2700's

3000's 2250 HP GE's These include the BQ23-7's 3000-3007,3009 and B27-7's
   starting at 3100. Also included are ex SBD and Chessie U23B's

4000's 2250-under 3000HP EMD's. These include GP30m's 4200-4266, GP39's
   4280-4299(ex C&O) GP39-2's 4300-4319(ex D&H,ex RDG) and some SD35's.
This series also has the last Chessie GP40-2 built, and was the only Chessie
engine that was to be renumbered, but wasn't, #4447. There are also some
rebuilt SD40's in the 4600 range, but I don't know the scoop on them.

5000's 3000HP and up GE 4-axle. These include 5500-5580 B30-7 ex SBD and
Chessie. U30B's which I think are all gone now(ex Chessie) U36B, and B36-7's
and the B40-8's from Susie-Q. This series also includes the GE MATE's(which
are the only slugs built new from a major builder) that operate with U36B's
in Florida in the Bone Valley on Phosphate trains.(#'s 5200-5223)

6000's 3000HP EMD 4-axle (and up eventually, if they ever get any GP60's or
GP70's when EMD decides to build them) These are basically all the GP40's and 
GP40-2's from Chessie and SBD,(And they had a TON of them. The GP40-2's are
numbered from 6000-roughly 6400, and the GP40's start from roughly 6400-6899.
The 6900's are slug mothers which are mated with some of the later built
road slugs from the 2200-2330 series.

7000's 3000HP and up GE 6-axle, includes the C30-7's from SBD(7000-7094) and
U30C's if any still exist(# 7200-7272) These would both be C&O and SBD.
These also include the C40-8's(7500-7649) and the CW40-8's(wide cabs, #7650-
7817) The C40's were built in the stealth scheme up to 7597, and starting
with 7598, all were built carrying the new(current) scheme.

8000's 3000HP and up EMD 6-axle. 8000-8261 are ex SBD and Chessie(B&O) SD40-2's
8301-8438 are SD40's which mostly have been upgraded to SD40-2 standards
and some SD40-2's from 8439-8488. SD50's from both Chessie and SBD from 8500-
8643 and 10 SD60's from 8600-8609 and a few ex SBD SD45-2's from 8950-8974.
Some or most are gone now. They used to have straight SD45's from 8900-8949,
but these have all been retired.

9000's old EMD switchers, like SW7/9, NW2's from both Chessie and SBD. I think
all have been retired now. CSX has no ex-Chessie switchers still in service.


Someone in another post mentioned the C&O Historical Society. I recommend
them if you have any interest in C&O or even CSX. They cover all the current
CSX news, in their magazine published monthly, along with Motive Power news,
and Car Department. They have historical articles on the C&O, Hocking Valley,
and Pere Marquette. They also have a feature called the Basement Subdivision,
which is articles for modelers modeling C&O. They give discounts on most of
their products if you are a member also. They also have plans and archives
that you can use fir research also, but don't know how that is handled.
(I am not an officer either, just a very pleased member)
Their annual dues are $17 and this does include the monthly magazine.
They also have a sales page where you can advertise stuff, both RR memorabilia
and model railroading stuff.

Hope this helps ya,

Fred Ochs