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From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Auto-Trigger for Bud Orr Sniper
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:01:54 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Budd Orr Auto Trigger,
    There are home kits available to make the conversion but they are
flintstone like compared to what a good machinist can do.  My auto
trigger was done with a floating brass tube over an actuating rod that
extends from where the trigger safety used to be.  This conversion was
forty five bucks by Foxhunters in Castro Valley California.  You can try
them at 510-582-GUNS but I dont think that they are doing any machining
at the moment.  The next place to try is Skip Swift at SWIFTLINE/WORR
GAMES EAST (in New Hampshire or Connecticut I can't remember, check the
mags).  Skip told me that he could do the same work as well as some
other improvements.  I can personally vouch for his work as he did a
three hundred dollar conversion on my AUTOCOCKER that really made the
gun perform.  Give him a call and make sure that you talk to him
directly and tell him that you want an auto trigger like the one Zander
or James has on the IRONMEN.  If he can't remember tell him to call our
team captain Bob.  Skip is real cool guy and I am sure that he will go
out of his way to help you.  Make sure to tell him that I referred you,
it may help in how you treated.  You might as well get the other
improvements he offers at the same time.  He really knows Budd's
product's and will definately improve your play.  The auto trigger on
the bud is the smothest thing that I have ever found.  When timed
correctly there is no velocity drop, and the sheer weight and balance of
the gun (with bottom line) allows for an amazingly smooth firing
pattern.  I can easily keep up with any semi out there and can always
out range them.  As long as stay off my belly or I have plenty of
support when I am I never feel a disadvantage with a pump.  I am glad to
hear of others out there who like the gun as much as I.  Three of our
first string team plays almost exclusively with pumps with the
FOxhunter's auto trigger.  When complemented by a team of tuned Auto
-Cockers it makes one of the dealiest combinations out there.
                Please keep the Questions coming,
                                        Zander(no s) of the IRONMEN
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: gun oils?
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:45:36 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct9.124059.9656@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, bru@chaucer.cc.bellco
re.com (25815-leary) writes:
>I've used air tool oil and refridgerant oil.  These have both seemed to
>work fine.
>
>In article <1992Oct9.110555.11229@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>>
I use Gold Cup on my .68 Special. It's $2.50 for 3 OZ. approximately.
It is an excellent lubricant.



>> Ok.  What do you all do to oil your paint guns?  I'm told for my .68
>> Special to use something called "Gold Cup", which I cannot find.  Second
>> choice was "Rem Oil" (something by Remington?).  What else works?
>> [RICHR]
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:44:25 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct13.092219.9611@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.023500.25995@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>Tanks?  Hmm...wonder if it would be safer than my Volvo, perfect for parking
>>on NYC streets and the caterpillar tracks means you'll never face the 
>>embarrassment of get stuck on the dirt roads leading in and out paintball
>>fields.  However I can forsee a huge gas bill.  Imagine how much it will cost to
>>drive to Wolf's Lair (nka Adventure World :) ?
>>
>hmm, where is adv world? the downside is they probably don't run faster
>than 30 mph, but there's a downside to everything, isn't there?

Wolf's Lair is a great field located in New Milford Pennsylvania.  What makes
the field great isn't the Proball (at $125 a case, and loose paint at  6 cents
a ball), nor the Vents Predator goggles and PMI-3 rentals but 110 acres of
fields.  Every field has a theme.  One field, Ghost town, has a 2 story hotel,
assorted buildings; like playing indoor paintball but set outdoors.  Another
field looks like the old F-Troop fort with towers and narrow corridors and so
on.  From NYC its about 150 miles to New Milford.  The people I play with
go to Wolf's Lair about 3-5 times a year (and we play on average once every
3-4 weeks).  
Wolf's Lair wasn't manage properly and the owner put the field out for sale.
The new owners renamed it Adventure World.  I consider Adventure World to be
the Wally World of paintball (^-^)

30 mph on a tank eh?  Hmm, that means I would have to wake up at 2:30 in the
morning to make sure I get there on time.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:35:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct12.094454.19683@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>well folks, if you're looking for cheap surplus, come to beautiful
>switzerland. tanks availablke for $5k and vmapires for as low as $20k,
              ^^^^^                        ^^^^^^^^
Tanks?  Hmm...wonder if it would be safer than my Volvo, perfect for parking
on NYC streets and the caterpillar tracks means you'll never face the 
embarrassment of get stuck on the dirt roads leading in and out paintball
fields.  However I can forsee a huge gas bill.  Imagine how much it will cost to
drive to Wolf's Lair (nka Adventure World :) ?

Vampires?  Don't they come out only at night?  Who plays paintball in the dark?
Can't see any use for paintball.  Maybe the bloodsuckers can run for office :)

Bet you're probably picking up bargins on Soviet camous (who cares about
iodine stains :).

BTW on a night vision goggle/scope side note.  How would a person wear the 
night vision goggles in conjunction with paintball goggles/mask?  If you were
looking through a scope wouldn't your field of vision be limited?  Rifle scopes
usually have a few inches of eye relief, so there is no problems with wearing
goggles, but don't you have to seal the goggle/scope around your eyes to get
a proper picture sight?  Just a nitpick msg.
-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:22:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.023500.25995@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>Tanks?  Hmm...wonder if it would be safer than my Volvo, perfect for parking
>on NYC streets and the caterpillar tracks means you'll never face the 
>embarrassment of get stuck on the dirt roads leading in and out paintball
>fields.  However I can forsee a huge gas bill.  Imagine how much it will cost to
>drive to Wolf's Lair (nka Adventure World :) ?
>
hmm, where is adv world? the downside is they probably don't run faster
than 30 mph, but there's a downside to everything, isn't there?
unfortuinaetly, here i am not allowed to use the tank on pubnlic roads,
only on private property, and since i don't own a big piece of land, i
probably won't bother getting one :-) and still haven't found a place to
play yet...

>Vampires?  Don't they come out only at night?  Who plays paintball in the dark?
>
err, the vampire was one of the first jet planes, buitl in the late 40s
i believe, together with another plane taht looks the same.

Can't see any use for paintball.  Maybe the bloodsuckers can run for office :)
>
hehe, sure

>Bet you're probably picking up bargins on Soviet camous (who cares about
>iodine stains :).
>
iodine?... i hope they burned them. actually, camos aren't that cheap,
unless you get them in russia dierct

>BTW on a night vision goggle/scope side note.  How would a person wear the 
>night vision goggles in conjunction with paintball goggles/mask?  If you were
>looking through a scope wouldn't your field of vision be limited?  Rifle scopes
>
well,m depends which goggles you are using. you can of coures use a hand
held device for monitoring, but nor really while shooting. the t72 type
goggles would fit nicely over the goggles.

usually have a few inches of eye relief, so there is no problems with wearing
>goggles, but don't you have to seal the goggle/scope around your eyes to get
>a proper picture sight?  Just a nitpick msg.
>
well, i don't rcall really sealing, but then the distance between eye
and mnaks lens isn't that much.


cu
-pete



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: thompson@cuug.ab.ca (Bruce Thompson 272-1800)
Subject: Re: Mega-rounds
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:20:41 GMT

Hi.
    It's amazing how coincidences happen eh? A couple of weeks ago I
was out at Paintball Adventures here in Calgary, playing with the
Renegade Legion. We were playing basic five-man games, mostly standard
capture-the-flag, with a few blister-ball games thrown in for fun.

    Let me explain briefly how I enter a game. I use a Sniper II pump,
with a 60 round ammo box. I carry two additional puppy loaders with 60
rounds each. I've yet to run out of paint in a game. I try to play
more of a sniping game rather than "painting down the countryside".

    Anyways, during the day, I had four games where I never fired a
shot. In two of those games, I had a flag pull, and in one I hung as
well. In one other game, I fired only one shot, getting an
elimination, and a pull to boot. Over the entire day, I only went
through one loader-full, 60 rounds. That was 8 games, with
eliminations, pulls and hangs on the day.

    Here's the kicker. I've only been playing for about a year and a
half, and I was playing against people who've been playing for
considerably longer and mostly use semis. The point is that you don't
need to play the "paint-hose" game if you don't want to. Superior
tactics and teamwork will go a long way to evening the odds, despite
what your opponent is doing. The "paint-hoser" will be less able to
hear what's happening than you will. You can use this to your
advantage. The "hoser" will also, typically, be more intent on where
you appear to be than were you really are. I've used this to my
advantage, by moving while still helping the hoser to think I'm
pinned down.

    The fundamental rule to follow when being hosed down is KEEP
MOVING! If you're moving, you have a better chance of getting a
tactical advantage, and you're more difficult to hit, and it's more
difficult to pin you down.

    The next fundamental rule to follow is: if you aren't having fun
in the games you're playing, find people to play with that play in a
manner that you enjoy. I'm not neccessarily saying that any particular
style of play is better than any other, but the main point is to have
fun. If you're not having fun, change something so that you do!

    And in the mean time, come on out to Paintball Adventures by Bragg
Creek, Alberta! Say Bruce Thompson sent you and be prepared to have a
good time!

     See you on the field,
     Bruce Thompson,
     Renegade Legion, NAPRA
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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Paintball Offer
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:13:40 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Hamilton Hobbies (my business) has decided to sell paintball supplies.
Just as a pilot to see if its worth doing. We are only going to sell
paintball stuff mailorder until we see if its worth a major investment.

Here are some prices of items we are going to sell. We can ship COD anywhere
in the USA for $5 s&h. Manufacturers' warranties apply, of course. If there
is a big demand for VISA/MC, we will consider accepting same in a month or
two, right now, since it costs us a percentage, we will not accept it until
we are sure we want to pursue this market.

Sheridan VM-68 w/bottle  $235
Tippman ProAm w/bottle   $315
Illustrator w/ bottle    $330
Auto-Mag w/o bottle      $350
Autococker               $385

If you are interested, send me direct email, and I'll respond as quickly
as possible. I won't take up anymore bandwidth on this subject for a while,
so note the address if you think you might want to email me later. Thanks!

John

John

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Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 01:25:45 -0400 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions for IRONMEN

I have not talked with Colin about a new semi but next week I am going
to Nashville and will be seeing Russel Maynard and I will ask him, and I
will get back to you.
       Where have you or do you normally play?
            Thanks for the question,
                                    Zander of the IRONMEN
From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Pro Am Info Request
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:07:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello John!

In a message of <Tuesday October 06 1992>, John D. Mitchell (1:143/8) writes:

 JDM>         Armson or Smart Parts barrels.  We still use the stock barrel and
 JDM> are happy with that (for now anyways).  The Smart Parts equipped Pro/Ams
 JDM> that I've seen are a good bit quieter than mine but don't seem to shoot
 JDM> any better (farther or more accurately).  As for barrel lengths, I'd
 JDM> stick with something around 11 to 12.5 inches.  Anything longer becomes
 JDM> unwieldy at any kind of close up action and the couple of Pro/Ams with
 JDM> 14+ inch barrels didn't shoot much farther than my stock barrel.

I've watched a few with the longer barrells and they have the problem of slamming them into things and digging them into the dirt as well when they dive.  And you're right, they don't fire any further than my Smart Parts.

I like the fact that the SP is a little quieter.  There have been several occasions where I was able to take someone out with one shot and have his buddies and him wonder where the hell I was because they didn't hear anything, or just a little non-directions "poof" when I fired.

 JDM>         Hose-fed back-bottle setup (i.e. you carry the CA tank on your
 JDM> back and have a hose to your gun.  This makes for a very agile system.

I'm just getting ready to switch over, bought the butt pack and am getting the hoses and valves soon.  This'll also make it a lot easier to install Black Rain from Air America.

Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney
Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!


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From: christos@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (No Soul)
Subject: Re: Get off the Combat  Thing
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Reply-To: christos@ics.uci.edu (No Soul)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:48:29 GMT

In article <keqZguu00awY8EnEV2@andrew.cmu.edu> ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose) writes:

>	On the note of the Ironmen's combat techniques being borrowed from
>anything I beg to differ, none of us have ever received any military
>training, and I think that the utilization of military tactics are what
>kill a lot of teams.   The fact that everyone on our team can think
>instead of having 99% mindless pawns as in military stategy sets us eons
>ahead of any war this country has fought since the Revolution.  Besides
>all our stratagies were originated out of playing Paintball every week
>and whether or not they bare some likeness to something done in the past
>or present by the military is indeed irrelevent.

   I agree with your point whole-heartedly, but I beg to differ as
to whether our uniformed men and women are "mindless pawns."  Our military
does not rob the soldiers of their minds or common sense, but in fact train
them to use their heads under pressure, much as I'm sure the Ironmen have
learned to do.  The difference is that they don't just lose the game, or
get eliminated...  they die.  Try not to insult those who risk their lives
for us.

   However...  I agree with Zander.  To compare paintball with combat is
a sure road to eliminating the sport.  Whether or not the game is a
derivation of combat, to promote it as such would just serve to get us
a bunch of flak.  I've heard of guys that don't even use red paint, since
it is too close to blood.  (I'm not sure I'd take it that far...)

Chris Steele
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Get Off the combat thing.
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:54:10 -0600

 writes
>Monday October 12 1992 05:22, Alexander Franklin Rose wrote to All:
>
> AFR>    Please refrain from comparing our sport to actual combat the two are
> AFR> completely unrelated.
>
>Totally false. We should never project the link to the non-playing public (as
..
>Take the worse aspect of combat, firing upon the enemy, and even this is
>closely related in paintball. In combat, the intent (at the strategic level)
>is to remove the enemy soldier from combat, not to kill him. In paintball,
>a mark anywhere removes the player from the game. The only difference is the
>lack of deadly force (thank God!).

This is the whole point of saying that war and paintball are unrelated. Of course aspects are  
similar, but the effect is different. Really, though, whether or not a game is harmful is  
determined by the attitude of the players.

..
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:26:23 EDT
From: <MXC132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: gun oils?

  I order to luricate my Phantom Express I use regular silicone spray which can
be bought at any local hardware store.  The spray penetrates the metal and
rubber parts to create smooth surfaces and rejuvenate the o-rings (of course
they eventually wear out but the silicone makes them last quite a bit longer).
I use the spray after each game when I'm cleaning my gun.  I clean each part,
including the receiver and barrel, spay them with silicone, wipe each one off,
reassemble the gun, and then spray a small amount of silicone into the ball
feed onto the bolt and o-ring working the pump back and forth.

                          Happy Paintballing
                                           Mike
From: christos@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (No Soul)
Subject: Re: gun oils?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Reply-To: christos@ics.uci.edu (No-Soul)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:10:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.110555.11229@samba.oit.unc.edu> Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>
>Ok.  What do you all do to oil your paint guns?  I'm told for my .68
>Special to use something called "Gold Cup", which I cannot find.  Second
>choice was "Rem Oil" (something by Remington?).  What else works?
>[RICHR]

I've heard of people using all sorts of stuff...

One guy uses Vasoline to lube the o-rings, and this seems to work
pretty well (Though I wouldn't advise it if you're playing in
extreme cold).

Many people on our team use this stuff called Taylor Super-Lube.  It's
designed for seals, o-rings and moving plastic and metal parts in
restaraunt equipment, but works just fine on PB guns as well.

One tube ought to last you several months (It's lasted me over a year, but
we only play once a month.)


Chris
christos@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:44:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.020214.9874@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>I think Peter meant Eastern Bloc.  With the distintegration of the former
>German Democratic Republic; the surplus market has been flooded with tons
>of Eastern Bloc military curios.  Not too long ago in sci.military an article
>was posted with news of how the former Soviet Airforce was selling MiG-21s
>for as little as $100,000 in hard currency (thats cheaper than some prop
>Cessnas).

well folks, if you're looking for cheap surplus, come to beautiful
switzerland. tanks availablke for $5k and vmapires for as low as $20k,
so while oin tour in switzerland, come visit one of our friendly
neighborhood arsenal garage sales...

no folks, seriously, old stuff is sold to the public at aforementioned
prices.

but right now, the cheapest night vision scopes are available from
russia.


cu
-pete



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