HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob/Eddie Froman depending on th'moon)
Subject: Re: The Guide - index vs. table of contents
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:22:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.052222.13505@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:

>Anyway, is it possible to get a command line option to get the "Table of 
>Contents" to come up, rather than the "Index"?

Good idea; I'll have that done for next week (still busy with finals this
week, so not much time for anything).  Watch for TG! ver 1.02 by next
Monday.

Steve
swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu
From: vjs4@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: The Guide
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:22:24 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton


>OK.. What would happen, if someone now wrote an article titled Hell? Would the
>readers be intelligent enough to delete the current index entry and replace
>it with one linked to the new article?
>--
>Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
>All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN

O.K. Let's shut this track down right here.

First, one of the nice features of the Guide! is that it can keep track of 
future references to the same subject an cross refference them together.
(Check me on this Steve. I believe it can do that.)

Second, I'll have an actual article on Hell ready sometime after saturday
when my finals are done, so everyone can relax already on this Hell buisness.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Vincent Shuta               + "Some decafinated brands are just as tasty   +
+ Senior Electronics Engineer +           as the real thing!"                +
+ University of Scranton      +                  - Chris Knight              +
+ Scranton, Pa                +                     from the movie           +
+ VJS4@jaguar.uofs.edu        +                         "Real Genius"        +
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:10:23 GMT

kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.052222.13505@mtu.edu>, cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m.
>wolf) writes:
>> index (in'deks) n., pl. -dexes, -dices.
>> 	1. an alphabetical listing of names, places, and topics along 
>> 	with the the numbers of the pages on which they are discussed.
>> 
>> Hell was never discussed.  The article for hell doesn't even exist yet.
>
>  I beg tyo differ.  As the author I distinctly remember putting in a mention of
>Hell (should that be capitalized?).  Look in the section on transportation,
>specifically the subway.
>
>  Maybe I should have made the index reference "Hell (New York Branch)"?
>

That I could go for.  At least when I look up "HELL", I want to read about
HELL, not a subsection of New York.

Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: The Guide
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:54:33 GMT

The guide program can be really annoying at time.  Like when it has
articles such as "Hell" listed in the index, which are really
not there, but are instead "New York".  Then there is no cross-refernce
between them.  Why does this happen?
From: asspk@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: BBS DOOR and MAC VERSION
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:20:20 GMT

In article <wf_Ke_q00Vp=IUNqhX@andrew.cmu.edu>, fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
> asspk@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>>   Second of all, if your such a hacker god as you put it, why don't
>> you do it, and stop putting down people who just simply ask for a
>> favor..... 
> 
> I never said I was any such thing.  However, one of my tentative three
> projects for winter break is to write the mac version of a guide
> program.  I think I have the knowledge to do it, so I'm doing it as a
> challenge for myself, and to get practice at this sort of thing.
> 
> This assumes I don't have to sell my computer to afford next semesters
> tuition, but I'm going to give it a feeble try...
> 
> -- faisal jawdat                  | "Certainly the game is rigged.
> email: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu       | Don't let that stop you;
> if mail handler barfs             | if you don't bet, you can't win." 
> fj05@andrew.cmu.edu               |        -Lazarus Long


   Well, I'm glad to hear that. Good luck with the project.
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: The Guide - index vs. table of contents
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:47:48 GMT


Thank you.
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob/Eddie Froman depending on th'moon)
Subject: Re: Help?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:04:38 GMT

In article <1gqbijINN6ai@centurion.ksu.ksu.edu> zaphod@centurion.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeff Rountree) writes:


>	"What and where is the guide?"

Well, "the guide" in general is the goal of Project Galactic-Guide; to
somehow model a system similar to that used by Ford and Arthur in the
great trilogy of books by Douglas Adams.

Specifically, "The Guide!" is a computer program for IBM/MS-DOS/Windows
machines.  It has a great user interface if you're into the mouse-
supporting, dialog-box, pop-up and pull-down window kind of thing, and
it is usually fun to play with, and sometimes provides information that
one might actually find useful.

There are systems like TG! for other computers as well: Amiga, Unix, and
coming soon, Atari.  Anyone out there want to write one for the Mac?

>I have been reading this newsgroup, and don't want to wait till someone drops
>enough hints that I finally understand.  I get the distinct impression that it
>has something to do with HGTTG.  

Exactly.  If you have access to an IBM computer and know how to uudecode
files, I can email the program to you directly; otherwise, take a look at
the post I just made; at the bottom, it describes very specific directions
and instructions on how to get to the FTP site which contains it.

Feel free to write with further questions, etc....

Go Stick Your Head In A Pig,

Steve
--
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  you have just    |"For those who look for meaning, and form as they do fact,
 been bothered by  | we might tell you one thing, but we'd only take it back.
 Texas Bob and/or  | Not back like in a box, back; not back like in a race;
   Eddie Froman    | not back so we can keep it; but back in Time and Space!"
(based on th'moon) |                                             -- HEAD, 1968
---> swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu <------------------------ "End of Line." ---
From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: BBS DOOR and MAC VERSION
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:28:58 GMT
	<1992Dec10.001028.1@acad2.alaska.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

asspk@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>   Second of all, if your such a hacker god as you put it, why don't
> you do it, and stop putting down people who just simply ask for a
> favor..... 

I never said I was any such thing.  However, one of my tentative three
projects for winter break is to write the mac version of a guide
program.  I think I have the knowledge to do it, so I'm doing it as a
challenge for myself, and to get practice at this sort of thing.

This assumes I don't have to sell my computer to afford next semesters
tuition, but I'm going to give it a feeble try...

-- faisal jawdat                  | "Certainly the game is rigged.
email: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu       | Don't let that stop you;
if mail handler barfs             | if you don't bet, you can't win." 
fj05@andrew.cmu.edu               |        -Lazarus Long
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: dates and sex
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:35:59 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <92349.214635TPW106@psuvm.psu.edu> <TPW106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>with all this talk about not get dates or sex or a relationship, i thought i'd
>share my solution to this.
>give up. accept that i was going to be alone for the rest of my short
>(hopefully!) life.  I just stopped looking hoping and dreaming for a
>relationship and moved on.  Life is a lot easier to cope with when you don't
>have any hopes to be shattered.

I agree..my area of hope doesn't apply to dating..but to a parental
relationship..just this week..I declared myself an orphan..I have
absolutely no hope left that I ever had a parent that was capable of
love..

it's interesting..I sleep a lot better these days..

-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: God, I wish I could sleep
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.005611.7675@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>	All this talk of smiling has me chuckling to myself...
>
>	For the past several days, I've had trouble getting myself to
>_stop_ smiling.  Part of it is that I can better mask my accent if I'm
>grinning a bit... but alot of it is just putting up a facade.
>
>	People tend to leave you alone (as far as asking you how your
>personal life is going) if you give the apperance of being happy or content.
>(At least they leave me alone... which is what I want.) It's much easier to
>control others minds when they don't really know who you are (since you feed
>them a facade constantly).
>
>	As far as feeling better... it's helped me stave off nervous breakdowns
>until I had time alone to recover partially... but I know myself too well
>to let a body gesture/social action alter my personal state non-superficially.
>
>	Of course, I also grin right before I'm about to pounce...
>
>	(Makes the fangs seem more dramatic, right Kali?)
>
>	Psycho Kitten
>
>	(still debating about the iguana)
>
>-- 
>
>Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
>Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 

Oh yes..nothing like a smile before letting the claws out..(evil grin)
*and* the fangs..

in fact..even when in my mortal guise...I find that I smile before
delivering a *killing* thrust..

hmmmm perhaps there is something to this smiling;->>


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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Chicken & Egg bullshit... my favorite dilemna...
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:19:51 GMT

In article <42383@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!) writes:
>Y-aack!  I see people around me in very intimate relationships,
>I hear about them from friends and on the net, and I want something
>like that so bad it hurts.... and of course I'm afraid that 
>wanting it so badly is going to interfere with my actually getting
>it... I'll probably come across as desparate or weird to anyone
>who might be interested in me!?  (Come to think of it, I already
>come across as weird, and kind of like it, so desperation is
>the problem).
>
>Any comments, or advice?  Mostly I'm just ranting and raving...
>
>Jeremy
>
>-- 
>|~~~~///~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
>|3k!///  "If you never have the time, never get to see cloud 9,   |
>\\\///  there's a place where you can wait, on cloud 8."  -FC     |
>|\XX/_____________________________________________________________|

I think that wanting it very badly *does* interfere..I have a friend who
just expressed feelings like yours to me and I thought about people I've
known over the years who had the same problem.  It will sound terribly
conceited to say I never experienced it..but it's true..that doesn't mean
anything all that great about me..it may just mean..I always planned ahead..
who knows..?..I know other people like me..who have had the opposite    
problem..(men and women).  

The only trait I can point out that I have in common with people who
always seem to have too many options with the opposite sex is tht they
were very busy with their own projects..whether it was work or a vocation
like art/music/good deeds..what I'm trying to say is that "finding someone"
has always been secondary to me..my own pursuits were primary..

It could be that some of us settle for less and so it appears we re
successful in relationships.

Also...relationship always appear better than they are from the "outside"
I have been lonlier *in* a relationship than without one..

So..just some ramblings to share..but also to let you know..that I care
and wish you the best.


-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain)
Subject: Re: "methods" list
Organization: The Leaking Spinal Fluid Co.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:16:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.001950.26573@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>	This is part 2 of 3 of the ASH Methods file.
>
>------

[various interesting forms deleted fore and aft]

HANGING
>   ==1. asphyxiation (dangle on end of rope for 10 minutes)
>      Time:      5 to 10 minutes
>      Available: Rope, solid support 10 foot above ground
>      Certainty: Fairly certain (discovery, rope/support snapping)
>      Notes:     Brain damage likely if rescued. Very painful depending on
>         rope. Most common effective form of suicide in UK. See "Asphyxiation".
>
>   ==2. breaking neck
>      Time:      Should be instant if it does break. See previous if not
>      Available: Rope, solid support, 10 foot space below, several above
>      Certainty: Very certain if the rope/support doesn't break
>      Notes:     Minimal danger of discovery (depends on location). Painless
>         if you drop far enough (8 foot is optimum). Make sure that the rope
>         is tied securely to something STRONG!! It has to support your weight
>         MULTIPLIED by the deceleration. Use a hangman's knot (with the knot
>         at the back of your neck). It doesn't always work this well though,
>         you might get a bust jaw / lacerations etc and then asphyxiate.

it should be noted, however, that there is a third possible outcome to hanging
if done propperly(?).  this is to say, the severed head method.  as with
regular hangings, all that is needed is a sufficiently strong rope, a
sufficiently strong rope anchor point and a high enough drop distance to
accelerate the body past the neck's shear point.  any biophysics majors out
there that know the relative mathematics of this one.

as this distance is dependent on hangee's mass and tissue strength, the
optimal drop mentioned for #2 is only an average.  see the specific equations
that apply to determine your optimum.  after all, if you dont want it to be
messy, dont jump from too high and dont use steel cables for your rope.  but
if you want to be absolutely sure, #3 is the best.  very few people, even if
they discover a severed head are likely to be able to save it.

heh... then kali could get her head on a silver platter.

interesting side note for the antivivisectionists among you:  theyve actually
conducted experiments on lab animals to see how long the animal remains
conscious/aware of pain, etc. after having had its head cut off.

the things you run across doing research for a psych degree....


-- 
Thomas H Jones II                             "Hmm... that wasn't at all what I
      aka.	                                            expected." --me
	thj@csn.org or  tjones@orville.psu.edu or tjones@vivaldi.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: "methods" list
Summary: Sorry it's been so long... 
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:10:08 GMT


	I've been reminded (yet again -- I'm _so_ forgetful) that I have
not yet reposted the methods list as I had promised some time ago.  So 
here it comes...

	NOTE!!! I did not write the methods file! I have only 'corrected'
the spellings from British English to American English.  I have been 
quite busy, but I will have the last half of December to work on the list.
I'll _try_ and have my own version of it done by Jan 1.  (of course my
first deadline of early October is long gone... so don't be holding your
breath on my account :] ).

	end part 0 of 3 (I think.)

	Psycho Kitten

-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: wpi.students.vox,alt.suicide.holiday,rec.arts.poems,alt.personals
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Re: Kittens - C&C Welcome
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.183852.5047@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>>dB		"donna ass me, I neva explan anythin"
>>
>
>(grin)..ha..now it's hard to make a typo!..;->
>

(lotta grinnin) Oh, all u hav to do is stpp thinnin bout ur fingrrsss (oops) :<]
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles)
Subject: Re: so here i go. don't you love the psuedo-followup?
Organization: Yoyodyne Industries, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:45:22 GMT

In <1gml3tINNkd9@life.ai.mit.edu> jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst) writes:

>just let me say that just as you don't know what ya got till it's gone, you
>don't know what you really want until you get what you thought you did.

You know... in a bizarre sort of way I think I follow that....
(read my .sig)

Well, since I'm here, I want to wish everyone a merry whatever
and thank everyone for all the help they've been (guys and gals
too numerous to mention).  I won't be back till January 17 or so.
Till then... take care, everyone. I'll miss you!
--
Ivelisse Atiles       @}--}--}-- "You may find that having is not so
ivy@camelot.bradley.edu          pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It
Bradley University               is not logical, but it is often true." -Spock
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:13:02 GMT

In <1992Dec14.181910.7749@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:

>"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
>I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
>think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
>these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.

Way-hey!! Someone with taste in comics! 'Real men don't use blanks!'.

--
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: Mark, we could use the hanging height list about now...
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:03:24 GMT

I'm not Mark, but here's the list:

>From: mark@wpi.wpi.edu (thedamned)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Helpful Hints from thedamned
Date: 6 Feb 90 21:07:40 GMT
Organization: morgue slab 13

	Here is a helpful little list for all you people out there:


	Weight						Drop

	14 	stone (196 lbs.)			8 ft. 0 in.
	13 1/2 	stone (189 lbs.)			8 ft. 2 in.
	13 	stone (182 lbs.)			8 ft. 4 in.
	12 1/2 	stone (175 lbs.)			8 ft. 6 in.
	12 	stone (168 lbs.)			8 ft. 8 in.
	11 1/2 	stone (161 lbs.)			8 ft. 10 in.
	11 	stone (154 lbs.)			9 ft. 0 in.
	10 1/2 	stone (147 lbs.)			9 ft. 2 in.
	10 	stone (140 lbs.)			9 ft. 4 in.
	9 1/2 	stone (133 lbs.)			9 ft. 6 in.
	9 	stone (126 lbs.)			9 ft. 8 in.
	8 1/2 	stone (119 lbs.)			9 ft. 10 in.
	8 	stone (112 lbs.)			10 ft. 0 in.


	This list was made by Mr. James "Hangman" Barry,  the author
of "The Business Sde of Hanging.  These are the proper heights from which
to drop when hanging (to insure dislocation of the neck so as not to cause
death from asphyxiation).  He also notes that when hanging "persons who had 
attempted suicide by cutting their throats ... to prevent reopening of the
wounds I have reduced the drop by nearly half."
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:36:52 EST
From: Natalie P. <NDP102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides

How about people like Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison?
Ok, so nobody's sure whether any of those were really suicides, but
my mind would like to think that celebrities can be just as depressed
as us "ordinary" folk...drug overdoses could so easily be suicides.

========================================================================
"So how can you bring back the dead and try to tell them you're sorry?"
--Glen Danzig, "Less Than Zero"

Natalie (NDP102@psuvm.psu.edu)
========================================================================
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Kittens - C&C Welcome
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.161351.19961@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1-c2q==@rpi.edu>, petitc@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>>  All you lovely and charming lurking ladies, enjoy this ASCII kitty:
>
>All you cat-haters out there, enjoy the ASCII kitty after having it's head
>blown off by an ASCII 12-gauge:
>
>>  ||                        
>>  ||                        
>>  ||                       
>>  ||                .%%*%%.  
>>  ||---------------^% ^.%~/
>>  |                  . , :|             ~%&&&%:
>>  \    /---\              /             |.*:X |
>>   \  /     \         /--\              | ~--.|
>>    --|     |--------/    -----------\  |/   \|
>>      /      \       |               |
>>      \-------/      \---------------/
>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.

Stop..you're making me laugh and I might choke on my coffee..hmm
suicide by laughing?..anyway..I love cats but I also am so very
*evil*;->


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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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