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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Ferengi History question
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:43:12 GMT

aewright@unix.amherst.edu (Anthony E. Wright) writes:

>A question about the Federation's history with the Ferengi, especially
>the first contact.

*A* question? :) :)

>One episode actually shows the first visual contact with Ferengi. The show
>was in the first season, and it was there that Data was talking about all the
>conflicitng information they had on the Ferengi, and the only thing they
>really knew was their motto was "Let the Buyer Beware." They claim to know
>nothing of their technology, they seem to know nothing of the ship until they
>first sighted it.

That's pretty true. Very little is know about them over all...

>However,later episodes call this episode into question. Apparently, Picard had
>had first contact with the Ferengi previously, when commanding the Stargazer.
>Apparently, this is when the "Picard Manuever" was created, and Picard blew
>upthe Ferengi ship, since it started firing on the Stargazer first. Picard was
>supposedly court-martialed for this action, but let go.

Hmmm, I don't know about the court martial part, I don't think that that's 
true. But I do know that during that attack, Picard didn't know that it was
Ferengi. If you remember while he was under the mind control device, he was
saying something like "Unknown ship, we are on a peace mission, please break
off attack" or something close anyways... The point being, that maybe there
were encounters with the Ferengi in TOS but they just didn't know who it was 
and the people were all killed before a transmission could be made.

>This would seem to be a fairly serious continuity problem. When does the
>Federation have first contact with the Ferengi? When does Picard? How did
>Picard blow up a ship that he didn't even see? And finally, if we just got
>introduced to this race, how come they are all over the place now? Anybody
>got any definitive answers?

Why are they all over the place? Well, because they're expanding quickly. 

				CtB

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From: rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell)
Subject: How to improve Star Trek
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:38:22 GMT

I believe one great way to improve the quality of Star Trek is to
better define the talents of the bridge crew. Only once has the 
helmsman (Sulu) talents been needed. This was in STV. I really don't
believe the bridge crew are given scenerios that require their talents.
Too many times a bridge member is on break or something and a bridge
flunkie has replaced him/her and they fill in with no problem.  Even in time
of emergencies, the bridge flunkie has only once been a little unsure of 
him/her self (Schisms).  But we didn't get to see Riker show her how it's
supposed to be done either. It appears that bridge crew talents are required
everywhere except at their post.  In 'Booby trap' the captain took over the
helm when a skilled helmsman was needed.  I would of thought the captain to be 
a little rusty to trust with such a delicate task at the helm.  We all know
Sulu wouldn't have been ask to step aside in that instance.  It seems that
the main talents the bridge crew has is the ability to beam somewhere and
beam BACK!! The bridge flunkies have not mastered this duty. Although, they
are getting better at it.  Perhaps the academy(Paramount) has gotten feedback
on this, and beeft-up their beam back training program.  Are we not all too
familiar with this: 

captain: helmsman get us out of here
helmsman: helm not responding, sir
captain: switch to manual
helmsman: computor has manual locked out

I'm tired of this over done scenerio. It should go something like this:

captain: helmsman get us out of here
helmsman: helm not responding, sir
captain: switch to manual
helmsman: computor has manual locked out
captain: well what the fuck good are you.. I could get the bridge flunkie to
         to tell me that

By the way is it me, or does troi's butt.... opps, sorry, got caught in a 
flashback. Anyway, is it me, or is there something wrong with manual controls
being governed by the computor? I don't get it! The computor has to be working
normally for it to be over-ridden? Things that make you go Hmm..! 

Well what I'm trying to say is that I wish the writers would used the bridge
crews talent at their posts to save the day instead of relying on the Wesley
factor. They do a good job of displaying the talents of the doctor and the
cheif engineer, they should try to do the same with the bridge crew.

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sarge: you flunked flank?
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From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:21:00 GMT

In article <57392@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, southpaw@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Don Agneta) writes:
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|> I agree totally with the dorm rec review. As I was in the military on board
|> nuclear subs in the engineering department I almost puked when I heard
|> Geordi complain that they wouldn't get any sleep if they made the ship battle 
|> ready. Wake up Geordi!!!! You're going to war !!!
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|> Jelico acted like a real captian should, especially one who is taking his
|> crew into war. Running drills, giving orders which he expects to be followed
|> not questioned and not relating to his crew like a bigg papa teddy bear is
|> how the real military is run. Granted we may argure that the Feds are not
|> military, but in their situation they had better well be ready for it.
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|> I think Jelico gave a fresh look at how a star ship should be run, Picard
|> is great and alot of things can be accomplished when a crew is devoted to its
|> captain but Picard has just been to much of a daddy and to little of a captian. 
|> Perhaps after/if Picard is saved he will have a different attitude towards
|> battle readiness.

I believe that, as Picard has pointed out on several occassions, the
Enterprise is a RESEARCH VESSEL and that they've been on research missions. 
I believe that if Picard were told to prepare the Enterprise for battle,
Picard could be every bit the hard a__ that Jelico has been.

Of course I also believe that Jelico should have had a staff briefing to
inform his new officers of his expectations and their new orders.

Still, I kinda liked hearing "Get it done" rather than "Make it so"!  And
then there's Mr. "Yes Man" Data, what a wimp!
Ron
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: stewart on leno's show
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:27:44 EST

 -=> Yanjuna babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 Ya> But you missed the link which motivated these two stories.  Stewart
 Ya> said the silent waiter, very subtly giving him tribute showed "real
 Ya> class" on the part of the Croatian waiter and cooks, whereas the
 Ya> Californian acted more or less like an ass (though he didn't say the
 Ya> latter, it was strongly implied.)  I must agree with his assessment
 Ya> (though I've been guilty of some of that myself... One of these days,
 Ya> I'll write about the time I scared Jonathan Frakes, though this buildup
 Ya> is much more interesting than the story itself.)

But you guys *ARE* so lucky to be in LA!  Do you think these guys ever
come up here to snowy Canada except for the occasional convention?
NO!!!  Oh woo-es-me...  I'll NEVER meed a Star Trek star!  Boo hoo...


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:38:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1gkn4hINNfpc
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobs.cs.orst.edu

In article <rawdon.724298914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1ggoe2INN6ig@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>>Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
>>it with DS9?
>
>There are ALWAYS repeats after the first nine or ten episodes of the season.
>And they've only shown THREE so far.  That's hardly a lot of reruns, given
>that they only show 26 episodes per season.
>
>Is it just me, or does it seem like hardly anyone pays any attention to this
>stuff?

I pay attention, Michael.  So that makes one at least.  :-)

>Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
>( To be in the Boston, Massachusetts area for Christmas vacation )

By the way, does this mean you will be in Boston for Christmas vacation
or that you wish you were?  If you will be there, please say hello for me
to the Boston Common, the Charles River, and Harvard Square.

Thanks.  (I'm feeling nostalgic this holiday season.)

Marg

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From: jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)
Subject: Re: Anything coming up
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:04:39 GMT

brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.041439.13546@leland.Stanford.EDU> jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist) writes:
>>A person I know says he's been seeing ads for something coming up soon
>>that is Trek-related.  He says it's a movie, but that can't be right.
>>I suggested to him what he saw was ads for Deep Space 9, but he says
>>that it wasn't.  He said it was something that is supposed to take place
>>in the time between Star Trek movies five and six.  He hasn't told me any
>>more than that.
>>
>>Do any of you know what he might be talking about?  Please let me know
>>as soon as you can.  I have no idea what it could be.
>>
>Unless he is confused.. Paramount has been billing the DS9 premiere as a
>"movie" that will air the week of Jan 5... maybe that's the source of the
>confusion.

It might be that the DS9 promos are in the old font from ST:TMP.  I finally
got to see one!  =)

BTW, I have the list of stations that carry DS9, but I'm wondering if there
are any cases in which DS9 and TNG will be on different stations, like it
is here in West Michigan (TNG is on WWMT--CBS; DS9 will be on the Fox station
WXMI).  


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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re:    Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:08:35 GMT

In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> <MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>I am sorry if there is a better place to find out this info, but I
>am fairly new to the net, and I didn't see anyhting in the FAQ lists
>in here or in rec.arts.startrek.info.
>
>Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
>
>A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
>voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
>it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
>
>Please email any help to MCGLONE@AMERICAN.EDU or MCGLONE@AUVM
>
>Thank You!
>Colleen McGlone

Guess what?? Looks like you owe someone dinner!!
Mrs Troi is indeed played by Majell Barrett, Gene's widow and Nurse
Chappel from TOS.  She also does the voice for the computer.
Marc
From: mccormic@lab4.smcm.edu (Scott McCormick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Spot Trek? Deep Spot Nine? Read!
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.163355.13098@bsu-ucs> 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
#
#
#Deep Spot Nine or Spot Trek the Future ????
#
#Troi: A cat with a big butt!
#Riker: Alley cat looking for pussy!
#Picard: A bald cat.
#Wesley: A baby kitten.
#Data: A robot cat.
#Q: A giant dog that is annoying!
#Ro: A dyke cat!
#Borg: Tabby orange cats that are all the same! meow * 1256012 ! ARGH!
#Klingons: Ugly Mutts!
#Spot: Admirdal Spot leader of the Federation cats!
#La Forge: A black cat who does level 3 tests on the kitty litter!
#Barkley: A cat who never lands on his feet!
#Crusher: Medical cat knows about 9 lives!
#
#To Go Where No Cat Has Gone Before..................
#
#signed,
#Stimpi

Alright I'm offended.
From: andrew.nipperess@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ronnie cox
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 03 Dec 92 16:27:00 GMT

Original to: Det@Phlan.Sw.Stratus.Com
-On the day of 11-18-92, David Toland spoke unto All, and he did sayeth-

 De> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland), via Kralizec 3:713/602

 De> In article <1992Nov17.085334.206@sdg.dra.com> brian@sdg.dra.com
 De> writes: [much deleted]
 >For anyone who might be wondering who Ronnie Cox is, he was the villian in

 >"Total Recall" and "Robocop", and was also the police chief in "Beverly
Hills
 >Cop" and also BHCII.

 De> He was also the eccentric police [commissioner? chief?] in "Cop Rock".
 De> He had the hots for the mayor, played by Barbara Bosson, and
 De> daydreamed Wild West fantasies of riding in on horseback and cleaning
 De> up the town.  He does always seem to play someone highly placed...

Ronnie Cox also played the President of the United States (no less) in
the mid- to late-eighties version of Captain America. From what I remember
he was the only name star in the movie. He does always seem to be typecast
as a leader, but I think he's better known for being a bad-guy leader.

                                Nipper


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From: kboss35@ursa.calvin.edu (Karen Boss)
Subject: Re: Picard/Riker '96 (was Re: Wesley Crusher is returning???)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:33:07 GMT

hamelph@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Hamel Philippe) writes:
>Picard/Riker in '96
>Engage!

I say,  What a wonderful world it would be if that ever happened!!!  Go PIC!

>Paf
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:31:32 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

anewton@bbx.basis.com (Allen J. Newton) writes:

>In Article 21173 cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:

>>	I'm assuming that "flagship of the Federation" simply means it's their 
>>biggest, most powerful ship. To the best of my knowledge, there are no other
>>Galaxy-class Star Ships. I've never seen then, or heard them mentioned, but...

>    Yes, there are other Galaxy-class starships.  In the episode with
>    Nagaelum (sp?), the creature in the void (season 1, I think), the
>    sister ship of the Enterprise, called the Yamato (I believe that is the
>    correct spelling).

	And according to the Tech Man...the USS Galaxy and I think 3 other
	Galaxy class vessels exist.  They have not been named to allow writers
	to name those vessels in future episodes.

>    This ship was destroyed in the episode "Contagion" as a result of the
>    computer virus infecting the computers which controlled the antimatter
>    containment fields, causing the field to collapse.  This was Wesley's
>    first encounter with personally witnessing death (he was pretty
>    wigged-out about it).  I seem to remember the Captain of the Yamato
>    mentioning or alluding to the existence of other Galaxy-class starships
>    which had been commissioned.  Anyway....  Does anyone remember the name
>    of the episode with Nagaelum?

	That episode was in season 2 called "Where Silence Has Lease."


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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why no brand names on TNG-Why Not?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:24:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.132456.18396
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec9.000827.14639@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Scottb) writes:
>pierce@admiral.uucp (Clinton Pierce) writes:
>: >>In article <12NOV92.07515729@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>: >>> 	Here are my explanations for the lack of brand names in TNG:

In "1011011" or whatever was the exact title of the episode with the
Binars, when the Enterprise docks at the Starbase, a sort of jetway
extends to the Enterprise to allow passengers to exit without
shuttlecrafts or transporters.  On the side of this "jetway" are the
words "South Corporation" or something to tht effect.
At least this is what I remember...
Chris
From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where are the Yeomans?
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:34:21 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Dec11.001939.1822@netcom.com>,
 linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:

> All right, the Commodore question seems to be setteled. So in
> keeping with the navy tradition, where are the Yeomans? TOS had
> plenty with Janice Rand being the best known Yeoman. Anoyne seen
> any on TNG?

Aren't they the ones that wear those mini-skirt-dress type of
uniform?  :-)

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From: kboss35@ursa.calvin.edu (Karen Boss)
Subject: Re: Star Trek writers make another continuity mistake
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:18:59 GMT

>I have noted some continuity mistakes also....it seems that at one point they say that Wes was only a baby when his father died....but then, after some thinking and a slight discovery, a friend and I figured out that he had to have been at least 5 years old.....

In "The Bonding", when Wes was asked to relate how he felt when he found out his dad died, he said he acted like everyone expected him to...so he had to have been old enough to understand death....

It was "Encounter at Farpoint" when Beverly brought Wes with her on the Turbolift that Picard saw him for the first time since Jack's death.  Picard didn't recognize Wesley.....was it because Wes had been just a baby at the time?

It just doesn't seem to fit somehow.....can anyone clear it up for me?  Or am I correct in thinking that this was another goof-up by the writers?

Please reply!!!!!
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Subject: Re: Why no brand names on TNG-Why Not?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 18:54:18 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Scottb) writes:

> pierce@admiral.uucp (Clinton Pierce) writes:
> : >>In article <12NOV92.07515729@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
> : >>> 	Here are my explanations for the lack of brand names in TNG
> : >
> : >Hmmm. Though actually, wouldn't you just tell the food materializer,
> : >"Marburger Klosterbraeu, 15 degrees centigrade?". Maybe that's why there
> : >aren't any brand names on the Enterprise--there are no corporations anymor
> : 
> : Isn't Earl Grey tea a Brand-name?  As in "Computer: tea, Earl Grey, hot."
> : 
> 
> Earl Grey is a more of a "flavor" than a brand name.  The actual brand name
> of Earl Gray is Celestial Seasonings.
> 

No it's Twinings!  No it's <insert your favorite brand of tea here>.


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