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From:         "(Gary Hanley)" <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand
              at Sep 30, 92 2:34 pm

Mike replies:

>> How do you feel about _Nonsvch_?
>
>Sorely disappointed. I wasn't overwhelmed with the fruit salad record either--
>although I'm distinctly not one of the punk-XTC fans; my favorites are _Big
>Express_ and _Skylarking_, followed by _Black Sea_ and Dukes of Stratosphear.
>I have a problem with when Partridge gets too happy, I think he loses his edge;
>consider the first side (I got it as an LP :-) of _Mummer_, where he's just in
>la-la land and doesn't even change chords until Colin reminds him to!

	Just a suggestion Mike, when I first picked up _Nonsvch_, I gave a
enough listens and just couldn't seem to get into it, and was just about
ready to announce that I didn't like it, when one day it just seemed to
click. It's definately not an easy album to get into (same as _English
Settlement_) but once you do, you can see how good it is. So, try once
more.
	Also, tell me you don't like "Rook", and I'll lose all
all respect for you. :)


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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Albert Ayler
              "ALLMUSIC@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Sep 30, 92 5:23 pm

Jeff, thanks for the interesting reply--gives me lots to work with.
I've only listened WUNCE which is meaningless, I realize; I'll have to go home
and check to see what exactly it was that Heavy-Metal-Chuck chose to record for
 my virginal (in a manner of speaking) ears, and will report, after listening
again... (there were two Ayler selections) (maybe the Husserl-Meat-Loaf will
have pity and post this info today)

> There are two aspects to his music.  The compositions are usually very
> simple folk melodies, from New Orleans.

Gosh I just can't HEAR any "simple folk melodies"--but that will be interesting
to listen for... hmm, do you mean blues melodies? what exactly do you mean here
by "simple folk melodies"???

  It is interesting that one of
> the first free jazzers goes back to New Orleans the way he did.

Who are you referring to here?

> compositions lead to some very good ensemble improvisations.  I think
> Dan Morgenstern once said that Albert Ayler's band sounded like the
> Salvation Army Band on acid.

great description, said the acid queen acidly

>it isn't notes, it is feelings".

somewhere, if ONLY I could find what I did with it, I unearthed a whole raft
of remarks very
similar to this by all kinds of blues and jazz musicians

the hardest thing for a first-time listener is differentiating--
at worst it comes across as "shrill"--I tend to have a hard time with upper
registers and prefer bass... so that stands as something of a barrier for me

> the rhythmic energy on two planes.  1.  Vibrato  2.  Density of his
> sound.  He uses multiphonics on his sax, that is to say, plays more than
> one note at a time.  It might be similar to a guitarist using a wah-wah
> on a fuzz tone, at least conceptually.

do "multiphonics" happen more easily in the upper registers; is that why Ayler
stays "high" (in a manner of speaking)?

> Ayler is perhaps the most
> primitive of the jazz avant-gardist.

exactly what do you mean by "primitive" here? that can mean all kinds of
things.... I'm just curious, not being difficult

> said to Ayler:  "You play the way I heard myself play in a dream, but
> haven't yet been able to figure out how to play."  Pretty good
> endorsement.

   wonderful quote--where do you get these great lines?
 so Ayler kind of appeared "out of the blue" ("out of nowhere")? what was his
inspiration?  he seems like a kind of solitary genius

somewhere I read (I think) that Ayler was fairly unappreciated at the time and
disappeared or deteriorated .... how long did his career last? didn't he go to
Europe?  I suppose I could look him up in a book if all else fails...

Sonia "compulsive question-asker"
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:41:39 +0000
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: longest song title ever???

Theresa's looking for the longest song title ever:

>I have two that might qualify. both are by "Chicago".
>"Does Anybody Really Know What Time it Is?"
>"I Don't Want To Live Without Your Love"

        Naah, they're amateurs... ;)
        Two historical cases:

ROLLING STONES:
"Have you seen your mother baby standing in the shadow?"
EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER
"When the cherry blossoms bloom through the windmills of your mind, I'll be
 your Valentine" (also a contender for the crappiest title ever).

The world record, I believe, belongs to an Italian artist called Zucchero
"Sugar" Fornaciari. His last but one album featured a song titled:

"Solo una sana e consapevole libidine salva il giovane dallo stress e dall'
Azione Cattolica".

The translation is (more or less): "Only a healthy and self-conscious libido
can save the young man from stress and Catholic Action" (Cath. Act. being a
quite famous Italian religion association, known for the stiffness of their
moral principles). Want this record, Carol? :)

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:09:00 -0500
From:         T9014170@PHILLIP.EDU.AU
Subject:      Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!

Since people have been doing favorite guitarists I've decided
to do singers as well:
 1.Bill Champlin {One of my favorite musicians{singer,songwriter{2 grammy}
			guitarist,keyboards,producer)
 2. David Coverdale { oHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh  YEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!}
			one of the most incredible rock voices!!!}
 3. Peter Cetera { Excellent Singer very harmonious and knows how to use
		   his voice welll!!!    Bass Player,Songwriter,producer}

 4. Jack Blades {LOve his stuff with nightranger and Damn Yankees!!!!
			bass,songwriter}

 5. Jon Bon Jovi { familar singing style never really changes from album
		to album but his good} guitar,songwriter

  Others that deserve a mention:
	Paul Stanley
        Dann Huff
        John waite
        Joey Tempest
        Ken Tamplin
        Jason Scheff
	Graham Russell
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Subject: Re: longest song title ever???
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:10:29 GMT

"OUT,               OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET> writes:

>Theresa's looking for the longest song title ever:

As has been known for a long time Pink Floyd has the record with:

"Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and 
groving with a pict"  

The Graphical Gnome

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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:49:00 EST
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Subject:      RE HELLO

From: bc205z16@hofstra.bitnet
Subject: RE HELLO

YES...LOTS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD..(OR ATLEAST AT HOFSTRA READ THIS
STUFF)BY THE WAY WHAT KIND OF MUSIC ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS??
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gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL sez:

>Besides, I would hardly call Enya Foxy Bob a pimple faced kid. :-)

Hey, is Lenny trashing Geoff Tate?  OK, here's my 5 top singers:

(1) Geoff Tate
(2) Steve Tyler
(3) Joe Cocker
(4) Ray Charles
(5) Joni Mitchell
(6) Mariah Carey -- NOT
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:21:51 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Notes on CMA Awards

jcs queries:
>>From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
>>
>>
>>6.  Mary-Chapin Carpenter was the only performer I actively *liked*.  I _do_
>>    understand what the big deal is about her (and it isn't the GMAW factor).
>>                                                                ~~~~
>
>What is the GMAW factor?
>
>jcs
>
As Carol will indubitably explain, GMAW is the maleverse of the female
MMW (Made Me Wet) -- the acronym stands for _G_ave _M_e _A_ _W_oody.

:)

-Scott "Sheesh, Jenna's an Old-Timer -- She Should *Know* This" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:57:58 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CMA

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:11:00 CDT <DS_GILKESON@TWU> said:
>>who just 'hear' the music instead of "listen" i think you know what i
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I don't think _I_ know what
>you mean. I've been involved with various types of music for years starting
>with the piano then ending up with vocals and flute. I believe I "listen" to
>(aka "feel") all types of music. Once again, generalizations are being made
>about a "type" of music. I can't stand the achey breaky butt song, but there
>are some fine vocalists and musicians in the C&W business.

I agree i wasn't knocking country music (i can't believe you don't like blues)
there's tons of fine muscians in country and all other forms of music, and
if you don't know what mean between there hearing and listening analysis
it wasn't meant for you
>(and, yes, Wynonna has become quite the porker but she has a heck of a great
>voice)
who cares she does have a great voice
>(I may not speak up much around here, but I do pay attention)  ;-}
speak up more the whole group would benefit...L.W.
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Date: 2 Oct 92 15:27:18 GMT
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On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:47:45 EDT <WK7%CORNELLC.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> said:
>Carol's post about these guys sounded very interesting. Dave Hall wailed
>at missing them. Anyone have any more detailed desciption of this group
>and the type of music they do?  Thanks in advance.
>
>...interest piqued.....
>                        wck
     Actually, Blue Man Group is really a performance art group.  They're
not really a musical group per se.  They do however have some really funky
sounds.  One bit they do is a percussion piece with Capt'n Crunch.  They're
really messsy.  They do a lot of work with paint filled condoms, paint balls
(oh god, I'm gonna catch hell from some of our hornier members) and other
weird stuff.  I think the skit/piece Carol was talking about is a drum piece
where they shine colored lights up through the drum and they pour a colored
liquid onto the drum.  Everytime the "bang on de drum" it cause a spray of
color.  The three of them use this in a sort of synchronized drum dance(?).
Its all very weird and all very cool, IMHO.

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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:05:19 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RUNNER UP???????????????
              "Michelle May" at Oct 6, 92 10:52 am

Renato, just leave Aretha OFF the list rather than put her as "runner
up"---Geesh--- I sat on my hands through the whole blues ruckus and now THIS.

I heard Billy Eckstine live in the mid-80s and he was impressive; his
voice was mostly GONE and that guy has so much class and style and musical
je ne sais quoi that he rose above it and he... flew... You talk about "winging
it" - his performance turned water into wine...
How many past-their-prime musicians can do THAT?

>
> Love,
> Michelle
>
>
> P.S. Where's my fav gal Sonia?
>
 Aw shucks Michelle, I've been trying to BEHAVE myself (it ain't easy).

So when are you and I going to hit the road as the BLUES SISTERS, huh?
  (I'm going to be off-net till next Wed BTW--try to keep these ruffians in
line)

Nu, Ilya, privet!  My govorim po-russki na etot net!!!  Otkuda vy priexali?

Sonia of the Russian Gypsy Soul--oof--oi gevalt--bozhe moi--oboy
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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: female blues singer

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:43:44 MEZ Paul Hosken said:
>Remember Fleetwood Mac in the good ol' days with Peter Green? As far
>as I know this was the nearest that a white band have come to playing
>true blues.
Absolutely i have the Fleetwood blues years its outstanding
..L.W.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:29:26 CET
From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Best TV program this weekend

Paul sez:
> OK, it's not so bad if you include the periferal channels like AFN, MTV,
>Austria 2's X-Large and NightLine (my personal favourite), etc. But, here
>near Munich, if you restrict yourself just to the German stations then what
>ARD, ZDF and Bayern 3 offer is pretty miserable. In fact none of them has
>a regular weekly music program! (The nearest that they got was that
>terrible Formal Eins attempt at Top of the Pops - do you remember it?)

Yes I saw it a few times and could never quite work it out. But there are
regular music programmes, but only if you like Schlager Musik :-) Or there's
the Mini-Playback Show on RTL+ :-) You're quite right there is really
nothing on the main channels but when they do show some music it's something
stupid like Peter's Pop Show or very good (a rare event that is) such as the
Miles Davis concert (at a stupid time esp. when you can't work out how to
program your video). Even the radio's not much better with the main channels
playing 'pop' music and even the '3rd' channels not having a better
programming schedule (execpt for about an hour late at night). About time
for some letter writing....

Seb
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:19:35 CDT
From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Deconstructing headlines

From today's front page of the __Chicago Sun-Times__:

              'Achy Heart' Beats For Billy Ray Cyrus

                         Pullout Section


Have fun with this but remember "no matter how cynical you get, it is impossibl
e to keep up." (Lily Tomlin)

               Renato
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From:         JBRIN@WNEC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

This one is for Rick, who would like to be understanding.  My original
comment, that "electronic music" is an oxymoron, is an opinion that many
people share.  Since, as Mike B. pointed out, there is no satisfactory
definition of "music", there is no way to prove its truth or falsehood.
I regret that I jangled so many nerves.  If we can move to an art analogue,
so that emotions might be more distant,there's a remarkable burgeoning of
computer-generated pictures(I avoid the A word).  Math books use them
liberally where the graphics of Escher held sway only a decade (or less)
ago.  Calendars and greeting cards feature these fractal images.  Many of
them are breath-takingly beautiful.
But are they art?  In lieu of a satisfactory definition of "art", we have
to each make that decision for ourselves.  And maybe it doesn't matter
what that decision is.  But to be honest, my negativism in the case of
electronic music(?) comes from never having been more than mildly curious
about any of the works I've heard, let alone overwhelmed the way I HAVE
been about

Oops!  Hit the wrong #%^&&^%#@^&(*&%$$ key again.

been by fractal images.  Art?  Maybe.  You decide.  As for Subotnick, no,
Sibelius, yes, and bagpipes, sometimes.  Cheers.
                                            Jack
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From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Announcement
              1 Oct 1992 08:23:02 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:23:02 EDT <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU> said:
>Since its all over.  The CMA awards is what I was talking about.  I hope that
>all turned in to see Acky Breaky Heart get Single of the Year.

That was what you were referring to?
The CMA Awards??? Gee, am I embarrassed!  All this time I thought you meant
Cavaleria Rusticana and Pagliacci live from Lincoln Center. I'm very sorry
for the mixup -- when you said "great music" in your post yesterday something
clicked. Well, I'm sure you'll tell us all about the next opera simulcast.

By the way, for those of you who were watching the CMA awards instead of the
New York City Opera presentation, here's what happened:

Cavaleria Rusticana: Turiddu gets killed in the duel.
Pagliacci: Canio stabs both Nedda and Silvio.

La commedia e finita,
Rick
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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Top 5 Vocalists

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:13:49 EDT Michelle May said:
>Here are my choices:
>
>Male:                             Female:
>1) Donny Hathaway                 1) Aretha Franklin
>2) Joe Williams                   2) Leontyne Price
>3) Luther Vandross                3) Whitney Houston
>4) Ray Charles                    4) Bonnie Raitt
>5) Michael Bolton--DOUBLE NOT!!   5) Carmen McCrae

On the subject of female singers that i don't like, if you'll remember/notice
except for michelle's post i was the only one to include female singers in
my top vocalist and i can't believe i left out Aretha. It's just I don't
here alot of good female blues singers. Howvever i have a gut feeling that
Sonia and Michelle are great blues singers....L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:45:32 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      The disappeared piccolo

To "G"/Theresa:
  Did your piccolo arrive yet? Was Chris from the Emerson company in Indiana
telling you the truth? Have you made bomb threats to UPS? Have you received
a $400 gift certificate and an apology?
  I know it's not Friday yet (the deadline day that you mentioned in your
"odds and ends" post), but you've been pretty active this morning on the
list, so I'm curious about recent events (or nonevents, as the case might be).
  I had no advice to offer, not having experienced that type of problem
before. (back in '74 I had a trombone shipped from L.A. to my home in Mass.
They were late but they didn't screw up the order.) But concerned
nonetheless...give us an update!
  Rick
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:16:59 MEZ
From:         Martin Schluetz <SCHLUTZ%DMSWWU1C.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE>
Subject:      Please delete me from this mailing list !!!!!!

Hello !!

I don't know why, but I was added to this mailing list.
I like to be informed in music-news, but todat i had 123
files in my readerlist (CMS). I think it's too much.
So please delete me from this list.
Maybe there are Mailing-Lists of spezial musicians.
So I will ask you about some artists:
I am interested in:
Van Morrison
Pink Floyd
Laurie Anderson
Maybe there are lists about these arists.

Thank you...      (and sorrty for the trouble)

Martin Schluetz

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:14:35 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Snakes and Ladders

O.K. Smarty-Pants:
It wasn't until AFTER I read umpteen messages about SNAKES and Ladders and
AFTER I wrote my querie about CHUTES and Ladders that the explanation of the
difference between the American and British versions came across my screen!!
EXCUUSE MEEE!!

Thoroughly insulted,
Michelle