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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:46:46 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <4625.9301111902@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>
>Lisa asks about changing clothes before bed.
>
>...       This was not so much because the clothes
>she wore during the day were so different from
>the pajamas, but because at that age (6 mos) we
>wanted to get her into an evening routine.
>It went (and still goes):
>dinner
>play
>bath
>bottle
>book
>bed

We do much the same, except that, the way Laura eats, the order is:

    dinner
    bath
    play
    bottle
    book
    bed

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
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From: murthy+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Sesh Murthy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:33:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0Cs3n.FnH.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1993Jan4.201242.10422@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
|> Actually, I think they were claiming that some % will end up as
|> emasculations. Personally, I wouldn't give any real credance to this
|> claim until I see a citation to back it up. There's plenty of circs
|> done in the NICU I work in, and I've never seen or heard of anything
|> of the sort. The techniques used in the procedure make it physically
|> imposible to emasculate the infant. There is a metal or hard plastic
|> bell clamped between the foreskin and the penis, and all cutting is
|> done against this.

|>                   Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu

I quote from td Frank's article.  I cannot vouch for the accuracy.  However
you should be able to verify this easily.
--------------
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
..........

I hate to insert some *facts* into this newsgroup, but...

The Washington Post , October 23, 1985

   Two infants in Georgia lost their penises in August when  circumcision
operations went awry.

   In  Atlanta,  two families have filed malpractice suits against the
physicians, the hospital and Valley Labs of Boulder, Colo., maker of an
electrical cauterizing device used to perform the operations.

   In one case, the parents claim that the "severe and progressive nature" of
the baby's burn -- including the entire scrotum -- resulted in the need for a
sex-change operation.

   "Baby Doe is now a female person who has been rendered sterile and
completely incapable of reproduction, and who will require medical 
monitoring and hormonal therapy for the remainder of her life," the 
suit says.

   The second malpractice suit claims that 90 percent of the boy's penis was
severely burned, causing the entire external shaft to fall off.

   In a third case in Sylvester, Ga., an out-of-court settlement recently
awarded $5 million to the parents of an infant burn victim after a plastic
surgeon testified that he reconstructed a miniature penis for an infant who
was
severely deformed by  circumcision  several years ago.

   Subsequent to those suits,  Atlanta's  Northside Hospital has banned the
electric cautery instrument that was used.

    Most  circumcisions  are still done with surgical knives, experts say.

   "Electric cautery devices were used in a few cases with bad results.
They're not a medically acceptable way to do  circumcisions, " says 
Dr. Joseph Greensher, a pediatrician and chairman of the the American 
Academy of Pediatrics accident and poison prevention committee.

--------
Sesh Murthy
From: albert@endor.uucp (David Albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:26:49 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson) writes:
>>> This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago...

pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>>[amazing work of paranoia omitted]
>>*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
>>so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
>>his home?...

dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson) writes:
>I see State interference into family life through the public socialist system
>and government agencies to be an intolerable intrusion into individual
>liberty and freedom.  THE STATE DOES NOT OWN THE CHILDREN, they are given
>to parents by God.

Interestingly, I found myself in basic agreement with the fears expressed
by the article Hanson posted, although for very different reasons.  In
Hanson's view, children's rights should be governed firstly by their
parents, rather than by the state.  In my view, children's rights
should be governed firstly by *themselves*, rather than by the state.
Unfortunately, I don't believe that the state has the children's interests
at heart any more than Hanson believes the state has the parents'
interests at heart.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Albert				  | Illegitimi non carborundum est.
albert@das.harvard.edu		 	  |
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From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: dtrc.annapolis,misc.kids,misc.forsale,dc.forsale
Subject: Baby items for sale
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:25:28 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Followup-To: dtrc.annapolis
Distribution: dc
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

Baby Items for Sale:

Graco Regency stroller - $65
Changing Table - $75
Century Infant Carseat (Quick release with base) - $30

Miscellaneous toys and clothing items, too.


Call:  Joy Goldberg, 410/224-4705, evenings.
   /|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
  / | |/ ||\|\  \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_|  |      goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil
========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Keywords: long
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:28:53 GMT

In article <930004.080459.645@circus.Camex.COM> kathynv@circus.Camex.COM (Kathy Nicklas-Varraso) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>>I "spanked" [17 month old twins] for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>>wrapped around his neck!  
>
>When Manda was that age, we blocked off the tree from her reach.  Also,
>she was never alone while awake.  This is difficult, I know, but it
>saved us a lot of grief.

I was beginning to wonder if I was the only parent on the net who doesn't
leave her child alone in the room with the Xmas tree (ours is up till
at least today -- Epiphany). We didn't do anything special except move
breakable ornaments up where they wouldn't be knocked off if she just
walked too close, but that's because Beth too is never alone while
awake. She is 3.5 years old, and yes, she's an only child. We have an
open plan house so we aren't necessarily in the same room, but we can
see her and she can see us. She sometimes will go downstairs and come
right back, or go up to her room for something and come back, but she
does not spend unsupervised time playing in any room of the house, much
less one that contains something delicate and dangerous like a Xmas
tree.

Am I weird in this? Do most of you regularly leave preschoolers alone
for more than, say 2 minutes?

How do I handle bathroom trips and showers? Yeah, right, like any
preschooler actually lets a parent go to the bathroom alone. Of
course she follows me. And as for showers, either I wait till her
father is home, or she plays in the bathroom outside the shower
stall -- she likes talking to me as I shower. Sometimes she sits
on our bed, which I can see from the shower, and reads or watches TV.
She makes a point of staying where I can see her.

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Subject: The Mouse and the Motorcycle
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:17:00 GMT

If any of you are interested in obtaining the Mouse and the Motocycle,
I think I can help.  My cousins (1st cousins on Mom's side) did the
animation and music for it (if memory serves me correctly). Justin Kohn
did the animation (with others, I think), and Steven Kohn did the music
(also with others).  Justin lives in S. CA and Steve lives in Ohio.  I
could easily give either of them a call to ask where the best place is
to get a copy.

I remember watching it on Justin's VCR many yrs ago and was charmed.
I suppose someday when I  have my own kids I'll have to get a copy
from him or Steve.

Cheers,

Toni
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Eliana-helpful bk for her parents
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:41:34 GMT

   I'm sorry to post this to the net, but I can't seem to get regular email
to work.  This message is for Eliana's parents.
 
The following is in response to a post of yours from a few weeks ago.
 
I wanted to let you know of a book that could help you considerably.
"Successful Living with a Chronic Illness" by Kathleen Lewis.
I don't have the book number with me, but if you need it email me and
I can try and get it to you.  The book is a slightly oversized paperback.
 
I think it can help your family considerably, especially as you try to
work with Tovah.
 
Good luck.
 
  Ellie Blackwell 703-883-7079
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Subject: Wonderful things they say (2.75 years)
Keywords: sharing, heart-warming
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:20:44 GMT


Adrienne and I were sharing the second half of a pint of frozen yogurt.
When I scooped the last bit into her bowl the conversation went as
follows:

Adrienne:	Is it all gone, mommy?
Me:		Yes it is, sweetheart.
Adrienne:	I want to see it's all gone.
	(I show her the empty container)
Adrienne:	But I wanted to save some for daddy.

Luckily, I explained daddy had a different flavor in the freezer.
It makes you feel you're doing SOMETHING right :-)



	***********************************************************
	*							  *
	*   Gail Karlovsky	(gail.karlovsky@att.com)	  *
	*        		(mom to Adrienne - born 4/30/90)  *
	*							  *
	*							  *
	*   The ideas expressed here are mine and do not 	  *
	*   reflect the opinions of my employer.		  *
	*							  *
	***********************************************************


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Personal to: Don Bellenger
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:01:39 GMT

Don,

I have sent the misc.kids inguinal hernia/infant surgery/general anesthesia
FAQ to you.  I had to twiddle your mail address a bit, so let me know if
it doesn't show up (my address below), and we'll try again.

Thanks,

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re:  Braxton-Hicks Contractions
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:03:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article <1993Jan5.180649.2839@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> Laura Floom
>wrote:
>In article <1993Jan5.170744.5907@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare
>Chu) writes:
>>
>>  I'm about 28-weeks pregnant and have unexplained contractions
>>  that don't hurt whenever I walk around, stand-up from sitting,
>>  pick up my son, etc.  I wonder if they're Braxton-Hicks
>>  or something worse.  I've quit the fitness center since there
>>  is no purpose in running on the treadmill if I can't even
>>  walk down the hall without tightening.  I didn't get this
>>  in my last pregnancy, so I'm wondering if it is normal
>>  and that other people also have frequent painless tightening
>>  (or contractions) at this stage.  Thanks!
>
>Yep. Sounds like Braxton Hicks Contractions to me. I did have them in
>my first pregnancy, but not that bad or frequent. I get them all the
>time now.  I have heard they are more severe in subsequent pregnancies.
>
>Laura Floom
>
 
Yes, I'll second that motion (more severe in subsequent pregnancies).
I'm the one who was complaining about them a couple weeks back.  For
the record, everyone who responded to me said theirs started sometime
between 16 weeks and 24 weeks.  Clare, you're the latest!  For having
felt your baby move at 14 weeks, you're doing very well!  I hope they
aren't too bad for you.  My sympathies.
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,nj.wanted
From: paula@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paula.valley)
Subject: Info. re: child modeling
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:54:37 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Hello Everyone,

Please excuse me if this subject has been discussed to death, but I would
like some information/opinions about children modeling.

Last night a man from National Talent Associates came to our home to see
my son.  He said my son would be perfect (I know, he probably says that to
all the parents). He showed us a portfolio with lots of children who, through
his agency, did lots of print and commercial work.  Believe me, I am not an
easy sell, but he convinced me and my husband that his firm is legit.
He could just be an excellent actor.  He said that his firm would handle
all the photos, the bookings and paperwork for 5 full years for $425.
This includes redoing my sons photos every year and the photos for any
additional children I should have.

Has anyone ever done business with this agency?  I would also appreciate
some insight as to how much work on my part is actually involved in getting
my son in and out of the city (NY).  The man is going to call me back
tomorrow (Wednesday) for my answer.  He wasn't very happy that we couldn't
make up our mind right there.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Paula Borden
att!hogpb!paula1
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:02:41 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1993Jan6.014624.3638@oracle.us.oracle.com> shobart@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes:
>>>First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
>>>christening?
>>
>>I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
>>indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
>>any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
>>child's life?
>
>In addition to the questions above, I've gotten questions via e-mail about
>how or why Christopher has a godfather without intervention of formal 
>religion.  
>
>So we're not asking his godfather to look out for his upbringing in a 
>particular religion; we're asking him to work with us to look out for
>Christopher's spiritual and human upbringing.  The "god" in godfather 
>doesn't symbolize a particular religion to us; it indicates that this
>person is responsible for spiritual rather than material needs.  The
>"father" part of godfather indicates that this person is acting like
>a parent in some ways in the upbringing of the child.
>
>Note from my husband (he just called me on the phone):
>	
>	I wanted to select a friend whom we respect, but who lives a 
>	life quite different from ours.  I was looking for a non-relative
>	to be closely involved in the parenting process.  Someone living
>	a significantly different life, which Christopher could observe,
>	yet who carried that parental aura.
>
>
>So it makes complete sense to us that Christopher has a godfather, even
>though we're not very involved in organized religion.  
>
>Sarah Groves Hobart

I see, you want a godfather for the same reason as they used to foster out
the children in late Middle Age nobility. Along the same lines, our son
has at least one "officially apointed (by us)" uncle (and seperately &
unrelatedly, aunt). Close friends of ours, who carry some authority, whom
the child likes, and yet is not in the direct chain of command, as it were.

	mark

	mark
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: sleep patterns, ferberizing, ...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:05:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I've seen lots of info on Ferberizing; It is too early to try it
now (Sophia's only four months) but shows no indication of interest
in sleep in general. She does not sleep too much and many times stays
awake till midnite, only to sleep for a couple of hours and wake up
again, a quick feeding, again, ...

So far this has not been a problem (enough stamina left in us from
grad school I guess). But I would like to know what else is available.
I'm a 'softie' myself but a few months from now (NOT NOW!) I may 
be thinking differently. 

Sophia started sleeping thru the night at 2 months, did it wonderful
for 2 weeks, and then due to a couple of colds and the unfortunate
great rice cereal introduction attempt of december 1992 she has
never slept thru the nite again. 

I have a feeling not all is lost; At this time I suspect gas is the
main problem. We've given her a few doses of the infant maalox, what
do they call it, MYLOXIN or something, VERY EXPENSIVE, and she 
could sleep better. I tried to see if gas affects her so I let her
sleep in my hands while watching for (the joys of parenting) gas 
and observing her reactions. Sure enough, if the gas attack was 
forceful enough it'd pop her up, not fully awake but enough not to
let her go back to sleep on her own without intervention.

I have read that gas tends to disappear at 6 months from infants; our
pediatrician does not think it's a problem. If anyone has any ideas
on any of the above (getting baby to sleep, gas, Ferber, ...) please
let me know. 

Thanks in advance for any help,

Spiros
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Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Measles vaccine and passing on immunity
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:33:54 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Over the holidays I caught an interesting article in the Denver paper.  It
seems that cases of measles among infants, under 12 months, are becoming a
larger share of the annual measles infections.  The apparent explanation is
that the vaccine that is given for measles in childhood does not cause the
same level of antibodies to be developed by an individual.  Now that a
larger share of mothers are women who were immunized for measles, as opposed
to having actual measles, they are not passing on the same level of immunity
to their children as in the past.  Infants are not as well protected and are
more vulnerable.

As a health demographer, I found the theory interesting, and plausible.
There was no "solution" offered, although I suppose you could either
immunize infants earlier or "improve" the vaccine given.

Doug had just received his MMR before we left for the trip, so I thought
this was timely.  BTW, Douglas had a fever about 1 week after the shot.  The
dr. mentioned that he might have a reaction after about 1 week and wonder if
that was the cause of the fever, he had no other apparent symptoms.  Have
other parents seen this "delayed" reaction to the MMR?

Chris
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle)
Subject: Re: Followup on My Difficult 2 month old
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:12:03 GMT

[following up on Amy's post about nursing a two-month old -- missed the
original post, sorry]

Amy,
I think both ann helmers and Beth Weiss are bang on the money.  Hang in there...
two months old is maybe the toughest time to weather.  You're still awfully 
tired -- maybe now you are peak tiredness because now it has been eight weeks
since you *really* slept and you still have an awfully needy little person on
your hands.  But I think this is maybe the break point, where you gradually 
start to get more rest and Elizabeth's need to suck will gradually start to 
wane.

When Emily was two months old, and I was beginning to feel like I'd be nursing
full time for ever, we got a pacifier for her.  We only used it after she had 
nursed for a good long while (say, half an hour total), but it really helped us
both.  She got to keep right on sucking, and I got to stop nursing just for a  
bit :-).  We had great qualms about it -- gee, what if she goes to college with
a pacifier in her mouth -- but the funny thing was, she just stopped using it 
on her own about a month later as the urge to suck diminished.

Hang in there, and if you don't switch peds, at least seek a second opinion on
nursing (a local La Leche League chapter, maybe, or a lactation consultant at a local hospital?).  General advice for building a milk supply is, I think, offer
the breast first and often... Yo, Kate!

Sian



-- 

sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca                                  Sian Meikle
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:54:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.232058.410@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

[deleted]

>I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
>indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
>any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
>child's life?

The godparent, or whatever you want to call it -- sponsor, mentor -- is
said to be responsible for the spiritual upbringing of the child after
it is born.  Because one is atheist (as I am, technically, since my
Goddess is metaphor, and my goddess is me) does not mean that one has no
spirituality as TMM put it once.  Perhaps they do wish for a spiritual
mentor of some sort, even though it does not involve theism. 

Blessings,
Janis
From: manning@cco.caltech.edu (Evan Marshall Manning)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Book recommend request--trucks
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:14:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Douglas (15 mos) is developing a fascination with trucks/cars/etc.  There
>are a million books along these lines, obviously a hot kid topic.  What ones
>have other children this age enjoyed?  We have, and Doug likes:
>1.  Fire Engines (Anne Rockwell)
>2.  Things that Go (Anne Rockwell)
>3.  Freight Train (Daniel Crews)
>4.  A chunky board book called "Trucks"

>I'm looking for things with good pictures--we aren't really at the "story"
>stage yet.

Two faves with Jeff (now 2.7, more truck-book obsessed around 2.3)
are/were

5. Trucks (Byron Barton)

Byron Barton does real simple books, just an image and a few words
per page.  But they're all hits.  Right now Jeffrey favors
_Buildin_a_House_.

6. Cars and Trucks and Things that Go (Richard Scarry)

Scarrey does really big (cover dimensions, not pagecount) books,
with a couple sentences about what is going on with the main
characters in this panel on each page, but we rarely pay any
attention to that.  We just discuss the odd cars and trucks (soem
shaped like pickles, etc.  And look for the little gold bug on each
page.  For a while we let Jeffrey look through it after bedtime.

<<<<<<<<<< Evan M. Manning ======= manning@alumni.caltech.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>
Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT.  You feel sleepy.  Notice how
restful it is to watch the cursor blink.  Close your eyes.  The opinions
stated above are yours.  You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise.
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