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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Chuck Conners-- What about the Cubs?
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:19:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.172710.26008@tamsun.tamu.edu>, 
rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) writes...
>    from clari.news.headlines:
> 
>	-0-
>	Chuck Connors is dead. The baseball player-turned-actor succumbed
>today to lung cancer at age 71. Connors was best known as the hair-
>triggered star of T-V's ``The Rifleman.'' He played ball for the
>Brooklyn Dodgers, among others.
>	-0-
> 
> 
>     According to 'Total Baseball', Connors only played for two teams:
>1 game for the Brooklyn Dodgers, and 66 games for the Chicago Cubs. Why
>do they only mention his Dodger record? He only played one game for them,
>and in that he appeared as a pinch-hitter, and didn't get the hit...

I guess because everyone *loves* the old Brooklyn Dodgers so much.  
(Except fans of the *(%$%*(^*&%*^ jints.)
Cubs fans do truly love their team, but they are fewer in number. 

>+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
>| "A lot of stuff in school... you don't appreciate | Jack McKinney          |
>|  'til you get to be older, you know, little       | jmckinney@tamu.edu     |
>|  things, like being spanked everyday by a middle- +------------------------+
>|  aged woman... Stuff you'd pay good money for     | Blessed be the ties    |
>|  later in life."      -Emo Philips                |      that bind...      |
>+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
> 

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Florida awaits the Giants!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:40:00 GMT

In article <92310.213421COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> Bill Laird <COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>Certainly, money isn't the only issue in the Giants move to Florida. But
>baseball is a business, and like any other business is driven by money,
>and more specifically profit. Do you think Lurie is going to stand and
>take a $15 million hit? I don't think so. Certainly, other owners must
>be sympathetic to this situation, and their vote should reflect so.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time that the owners have voted in favor
of a lower money local offer.  For example, when Bob Lurie bought the
Giants in the 70s for $8 million, there was a $13 million offer from
Toronto interests.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Montreal Expos Protected List
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Expansion Draft, Expos
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:46:00 GMT

In article <1dv5ioINN419@morgause.cs.purdue.edu>, gritter@cs.purdue.edu (Carl R. Gritter)     writes...
> 
>This is from the Chicago Tribune, who somehow got the actual list for
>all 26 teams:
> 
> 
>Its really hard to predict who will be the first Expo taken.  It could
>be any of Barbarie, Berry, Fassero, Mark Gardner, Ivan Calderon, Bob
>Natal, Matt Stairs, or Jonathan Hurst.  My guess would be Gardner.
> 
I wouldn't think so. After all, it would be stupid to first draft from the 
possible Expos Gardner who is over 30 and a #4 pitcher at best. Instead, it 
will be either Barberie or Fassero. I wouldn't mind losing Barberie since he is 
not very adequate at 3rd base but would hate to lose Fassero since he is the 
best left-handed reliever that Montreal has head in the ten+ years I have 
followed the team.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Game Score Reports Coming
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:45:51 GMT

Now that all the post-season woofing has died down and we all know everything
there is to know about upside down flags and U.S.-Canada relations, it seems
like a good time to look at the Game Score data from 1992.  Starting with the
final canonical reports, which I'll post momentarily (I didn't post them
before, right?), over the next couple of months I'll post little tidbits
from my Game Score data banks.  Look for articles on park effects on Game
Scores, "Expected" Won-Lost Records, Pitching to the Score, and so on.
I'm looking forward to it, hope you are, too.

--Steve
-- 
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 Steve Smith                      *  could live with. But what about
 University of Washington HR-20   *  Chambliss now that Baylor's snatched?
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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:26:35 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <1381@netxcom.netx.com>, jwc@netx.com (Jeffrey W. Comer) writes:

> Someone should tally these results, but for me, the answer is clear -

I happen to be tallying, since I asked the original question.  When the topic
dies down, I'll post a summary.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Florida awaits the Giants!
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:34:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov6.174000.8248@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <92310.213421COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> Bill Laird <COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>>Certainly, money isn't the only issue in the Giants move to Florida. But
>>baseball is a business, and like any other business is driven by money,
>>and more specifically profit. Do you think Lurie is going to stand and
>>take a $15 million hit? I don't think so. Certainly, other owners must
>>be sympathetic to this situation, and their vote should reflect so.
>
>It certainly wouldn't be the first time that the owners have voted in favor
>of a lower money local offer.  For example, when Bob Lurie bought the
>Giants in the 70s for $8 million, there was a $13 million offer from
>Toronto interests.
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com
>
I think Sherri hit it right on the sweet part of the bat:  Bob Lurie
stands to make 92 million dollars in capital gains on the sale
of the Giants to the local investors in SF.  The latest poll of 
the owners has the Tampa deal going down to defeat.  Maybe Tampa 
will get a clue; this is the third time they have offerred more 
money to move a franchise(Seattle and the Chicago White Sox), not
to mention the loss of the expansion franchise to Miami.  There is
profit and fair market value in this sale to SF and MLB can 
honor the commitments it made to the Marlins regarding the building
of an expansion franchise.  The 4th largest media market in the
country can not be abandoned for the 15th.  

Michael Hernandez
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From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Favorite players
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:50:15 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

After much debate, I finally came up with the favorite players of my
youth.  As a disclaimer, I should say that I am still quite in my youth,
so everybody applies.

Pitcher:  Jeff Brantley  (Hon. Men. Rick Reuschel)
Catcher:  Joe Girardi  (for lack of any better)
First Base:  Will Clark
Second Base:  Andy Stankiewicz (great name)
Third Base:  Chris Brown  (remember him?)
Shortstop:  Jose Uribe
Left Field:  Nobody yet.....
Center Field:  Brett Butler  (Traitor)
Right Field:  Jim Weaver  (a. k. a. The Missing Link, Dream, etc.)

There is a decidedly SF Giant flavor in this, as you may have already
noticed.  

JLee
 
-- 
Jason Lee
email:  jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
GO ROCKIES 1993
Don Baylor for President!!!
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: It's So Simple!!!
Keywords: Read my lips -  : -)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:26:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.175022.18119@odin.corp.sgi.com> luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
>
>You couldn't be more wrong Les. The A's are an Oakland team. The Giants
>are a San Francisco team. If the Yankees up and moved, do you think their
>fans would say "Oh well, we still have the Mets".

To a fan who is a full 4.5 hours drive from the *nearest* major league
baseball, this attitude is simply whining...  I know.  Things could be
worse.  I could be 1000 miles from MLB instead of 200.  But I still
feel little sympathy for people who *have* baseball in their back
yard, but complain because they would rather have a different team.
(And yes, I often go to Yankee Stadium to root *against* the home
team.  I go there because it is (relatively) close.  I root against
them because I am a Red Sox fan.)

Sure, the A's aren't about to replace the Giants in your heart.  But
at that you have more baseball than some of us do...

-Valentine
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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re:  Greatest moments in baseball history
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:26:15 GMT

Fay Vincent resigning.

Rob

_Cubs in '92!!_
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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:07:39 GMT

In article <56906@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <BxL2In.7Kr@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>>In <1992Nov11.182624.7303@leland.Stanford.EDU> brian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian McDonald) writes:
>>
>>but I really hate Eck. The fact that he is an ex-alcoholic is irrelevant to
>
>Its not only a cheap shot, its not accurate.
>
>As anybody who knows(ie. an alcoholic or someone who knows an alcoholic)
>and they will tell you there is no such thing as an "ex alcoholic". Once
>an alcoholic always an alcoholic, if you start drinking again, you are
>right back where you left off(one of my best friends is in AA and this
>is one of the first things they teach you).
>

	I don't know if you guys know the story behind the Eck's problem,
but it stems back to his Cleveland days. Rick Manning center fielder at 
the time for the Indians, ended up in the sack with the Eck's wife. His
wife then ended up devorcing The Eck, and marying Mr. Manning. I'm sure
if that happed to you, I'm sure you might become somewhat of an 
alcoholic also!!!!

- Dan
  Tribe in 94'

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From: baseggio@uucp (Franco Baseggio)
Subject: Re: 5 most unbreakable records...
Summary: Another unbreakable record
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:48:58 GMT

What about that amazing pitcher for the Red Sox in '86, Tim Lollar.  Didn't
he have a 1.000 winning percentage *and* a 1.000 Batting average?  
(Based on 1 decision and 1 AB).  Obviously this is breakable (in terms of
number of decisions/at bats with no losses/outs), but will it ever be?

On a tangent, what is the *most* breakable record?

Franco Baseggio
From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:30:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Re: expansion.  I agree with Andrew Zimbalist, who argues that one of the
ways MLB makes dough is by artificially limiting the number of franchises,
thus raising the value of existing franchises and allowing megamillionaire
owners the ability to blackmail communities into building stadiums with
public funds (build it or we will move).  If we had, say, 40 major league
franchises, many more fans who deserve to have MLB in their communities
would be served, and the blackmail element would be severely curtailed. 
The only people who benefit from limiting the number of franchises are the
current owners.

And yes, I can appreciate that 40 MLB teams would dilute the talent, but I
don't think this is as serious a problem as others might believe, because
1) I think the ability to offer MLB to more people is more important than
any supposed talent dilution and 2) I personally believe there are
hundreds of players currently languishing in the minor leagues who are as
capable of playing major league baseball as Chris James is.

-- 
==============================================================================
Steven                              My opinions do not represent any person or
srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu                organization, myself included.
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From: v085f2wd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: John Valentin
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A question for all you BoSox fans out there, was John Valentin's hitting this
year a fluke ? I realize that he's taken Rivera's job and will get the PT
next year, but will he hit ? Could someone who's seen him or knows how he 
hit in the minors (MLEs are not necessary, your opinion will do) please let
me know ?

Thanks in advance.

Ted Kury
v085f2wd@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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Subject: Re: The New Yuck Mets:A Look Ahead
From: Kevin Paul Goldman <kg1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:48:11 -0500 
Organization: Senior, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I'm heartened that the Mets dinally decided to adress a weakness instead
of loading up on names. It takes 9 to win a ball game, putting all the
pressure on two or three guys to produce 5 runs a game, or on a pitcher
to strike everyone out, and you get a really talented team losing ball
games. Now if the Mets would make room for a prospect or two like Howell
they could have a real defense. I disagree about Sasser though. I like
him a lot ( even have his autograph ), but Hundley has the potential to
be truly awesome. He hit with a lot of power, his average will go up,
and a catcher who hits 20HR and .220 is a plus. He calls a better game
then Mackey too.

Mongo
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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Re: 5 most BREAKABLE records
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 01:40:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1575.2afa9231@atlas.nafb.trw.com> dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>Okay, I've heard enough about the 419 record which will never be broken.
>What I'm interested in is what are the most BREAKABLE records?

My opinions:  Rickey's SB record
	      Given Denver's addition, the record for 2B's in a season
	      3B's in a season, same reason

I'm sure there are more; these are off the top of my head.

Jeff
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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Ho-ly Cow!!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:29:51 GMT

Maddux wins, Maddux wins, Ho-ly cow!!!

Greg Maddux- 1992 NL Cy Young Award Winner!!
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expansion Draft Coin-Toss
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:25:52 PST

In article <BxArqL.3Bt@encore.com>, jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa) writes:
> With the expansion draft little under two weeks away on November 17, Major
> League officials have announced that the coin toss to determine which 
> expansion team will have the #1 pick will occur during halftime of the Monday 
> Night Football game including the Miami Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills on 
> November 16 in Joe Robbie Stadium, Miami.
> 
> I guess that gives the Marlins the Home-Field Advantage!!
> 
> Go Marlins!! (And the #1 selection is....)
> 
> Joe Sosa
> 

   Speaking of the draft....
   Did I miss the R.S.B-Great-Mock-Draft-of-1992 ?   If so, can some kind
   netter send me a copy of the protection lists and the new rosters ?
   If not, when is it scheduled ?

   Thanks, 
   Mark Pede
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:56:31 GMT

In article <BxKtn5.Bv0@cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>But really, Tampa deserves the team more than SF.

Where baseball teams are located has little to do with whether the fans
"deserve" one or not.  

>  The Bay has voted down
>a decent stadium three times, and it's not because so many of them go out to
>the stick and love it.  

No, maybe it's because they realize that giving money to millionaires isn't
always such a great thing. 

>Support was rotten this year, when of all times a
>show of support might have been the difference between staying and leaving.
>So the apathetic bay area gets to keep the team they don't care about, and
>Tampa gets shafted.  Again.  (Note -- there are a lot of people in the bay
>who care about the Giants, unfortunately they aren't a majority.  And Tampa
>really did get shafted.)

The Giants, under the current ownership, are a poorly marketed team.
Candlestick Park is a problem, but it's hardly the only reason attendance
isn't what it could be.  I was reading a comment by one of the potential
new owners that one of the goals would be better family marketing, so maybe
there's hope.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:38:06 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <1du7s0INNm6e@agate.berkeley.edu> srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
>And yes, I can appreciate that 40 MLB teams would dilute the talent, but I
>don't think this is as serious a problem as others might believe, because
>1) I think the ability to offer MLB to more people is more important than
>any supposed talent dilution and 2) I personally believe there are
>hundreds of players currently languishing in the minor leagues who are as
>capable of playing major league baseball as Chris James is.

Why not run things the way the soccer leagues do?  You have a 
"Division One" and a "Division Two" (or more), and at the end
of the year, the best teams in D2 move up to D1, and the best 
teams in D1 move up to D2.  Then you have a tournament running
alongside the season, in which all teams participate, so at
the end of the year you have two champions:  the one who wins
the tournament, and the one who wins D1.  Pretty nifty, huh?
And generally the teams in D1 have the better players, so
the "dilution of talent" doesn't come into effect.

Way too radical, of course.

Andrew Shields
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:22:46 GMT

In <1992Nov11.192613.14599@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.182624.7303@leland.Stanford.EDU> brian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian McDonald) writes:
>>In article <BxItuu.4JI@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:

>>>notably lower than the ex-alcoholic (cheap shot!) at a 34 point difference.
>>                        -------------------------

>>Please explain to me what this phrase has to do with baseball.  Why do
>>you feel it necessary to note that Eckersley is an "ex-alcoholic?"

>(Of course I doubt he would be brave enough to say such a thing to
>Eck's face.  At least not if he was ever going to bat against him.
>Imagine a 95 mph fastball spotted right between the ears...)

  Damn right I wouldn't! But it feels nice to get that guy back after all of
his incidents, taunts, gestures which were done at a particularly painful time
as a Toronto fan. I'm not saying that Alomar's dance around the bases or
Derek Bell's slide into home plate are justified, just that it was good to
get him while we could.

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From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: Mattingly, what a fine fielder (was: Hardly not etc.)
Organization: SPS
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:18:42 GMT


Someone (sorry, I've lost track who) wrote:
>I think Mr. Lee's point (and mine) is that if you want to think that
>Luis Rivera is as good as Ozzie Smith defensively that is your opinion
>and you are entitled to it.

I not gonna take sides on this argument, but....

I remember a quote that is probably applicable to this argument, though I  
don't remember the author:

"Everyone is NOT entitled to an opinion. 
 Everyone IS entitled to an INFORMED opinion."

I think this quote would fit nicely in a "Stat-head"'s .sig ;) 



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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: AL:  Cy Young contenders and pretenders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:49:00 GMT

In article <w9p1l2#@rpi.edu>, sullis@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sulliva writes...
> 
>PITCHERS        W  L   ERA   G GS CG GF SH SV   INN   H   R  ER HR  BB  SO
>ACKER,J         0  0  5.28  17  0  0  3  0  0  30.2  45  19  18  4  12  11
>APPIER,K       15  8  2.46  30 30  3  0  0  0 208.1 167  59  57 10  68 150
>BROWN,K        21 11  3.32  35 35 11  0  1  0 265.2 262 117  98 11  76 173
>CLEMENS,R      18 11  2.41  32 32 11  0  5  0 246.2 203  80  66 11  62 208
>ECKERSLEY,D     7  1  1.91  69  0  0 65  0 51  80.0  62  17  17  5  11  93
>GUZMAN,JU      16  5  2.64  28 28  1  0  0  0 180.2 135  56  53  6  72 165
>MCDOWELL,J     20 10  3.18  34 34 13  0  1  0 260.2 247  95  92 21  75 178
>MORRIS,JA      21  6  4.04  34 34  6  0  1  0 240.2 222 114 108 18  80 132
>MUSSINA,M      18  5  2.54  32 32  8  0  4  0 241.0 212  70  68 16  48 130
> 
>Here are the 1992 stats.
>I'll let the rest of you debate about 'who should have won'.
> 
Why weren't Tim "Makes umps and outfielders weary" Leary and Bruce "Muffin" 
Ruffin included? d::-)

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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