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From: Colin.Stead@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Colin Stead)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: sofware
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:11:12 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University


 Hello all        

     In resent research of our new technology and Design
syllabus I believe and Interesting point has arisen which has
been over looked for far to long. It is the role that
computers have to play in the running of not only this new
course but all courses in general. We currently have students
in schools learning how to use word processors, spread sheets,
desktop publishing programs and many other programs which no
one industry and very few people at home are using. An example
of this are schools who are still using Apples not Mac's but
Apples. There is not problem with them because they still do
the job but the programs with they are running are often so
out dated that the students would probably be better just
reading the manual of a new program.
     Another thing is that unlike their being set book lists
or a recommended book list for subjects, very little has been
done to really standardise the programs which are being used
in schools.
     With the implementation of the new Technology and Design
Syllabus we now also have teachers talking about the use of
computers in the designing of projects and using them for
communication. Also the topic of C.M.L. ( Computer Managed
Learning ) which has been recently on the lips of many but had
only ever been taken up by I.A. (Industrial Arts). This type
of assisted learning is now being to really move in a big way
in Asian countries such as Korea and Japan.
     Are we going to now also have four to five different
C.M.L. programs making it almost impossible to coordinate
between schools and cluster or can be agree on one system
maximise the use of this system. ---

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From: Mats.Lundquist@p40.f306.n200.z2.fidonet.org (Mats Lundquist)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: G'day Mate!
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 15:15:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 2:200/306.40 - Lanthandeln, Kalmar

Dear rob,
I noticed that we had a "new" mess area on my local BSS and when a saw it was
Technology I couldn't help reading some of the messages.
My name is Mats Lundquist and I'm from Sweden.I'm doinging an technology
 course right now but I have realized that I'm more into electronics.Well
 anyway.....

When I saw that the messages were from Australia i just had to reply to one of
 them.Yours was the one that tempted me most.You see, I live in Geelong,VIC
for 11 mounth as an exchange student last year (16/1-91 - 10/12-91).
I did year 12 at Belmont High (suburb to Geelong) and I really enjoyed it.
Maybe not the VCE but I suppose they will alter it abit so it will work out
 fine.We ('91s students) were the first to "try" the VCE and therefor there
 were a lot of things that even the teachers didn't know about....
 >I am enrolled in a two year Grad Dip in Technology Education to
 >accredit me to teach the new curriculum studies in Technology.
I suppose that you are talking about the VCE....
 I hope that Your experiences with the VCE are going to better than
 mine.
my host father, John Worner, was a woodwork teacher in one of the schools in
 Geelong a couple of years ago (before his retarement) and he fairely enjoyed
 it...
I would be very pleased if You would answer this letter, and maybe if you
 could find out some addresses to some other BBS's in Victoria.
Are there any BBS's with echomail in Geelong ??
Has Deakin Uni got echomail ??! If so, can you please give me the address.

I would be VERY happy if you gave me some Australian addreses, because then
 I might be able to get intouch with some of the people, who were interested
 in computers, who went to my school....

Yours sincerely
                 Mats Lundquist, Kalmar, Sweden. 

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From: Rob.Ripley@f377.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Rob Ripley)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: tech.ed
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 01:17:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/377 - Comet, Ringwood

If - technology is the science of technical processes.
Then - technology studies = the study of technical processes
I have a question for teachers in the Technology study areas.
The focus is slowly changing in the classroom from teaching
students HOW to do something, to encouraging students to
question and understand WHY something was designed or WHY it
works.  An example is my subject area which is not called
Woodwork anymore, it is called Technology Studies (Woodwork),
(and the Woodwork tag is to be removed in 2 years time).
There are many terminology guru's who have their opinion, and
our educational masters with their statements for the
curriculum ... my question is, what does the term mean to you?
What is your interpretation of the term `technology studies' as
it is applied to the curriculum for secondary school students.
Yours in Woodturning ... and communicating ... Rob.

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From: Peter.Stark@f721.n278.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Stark)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: INTERNET
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 07:31:53 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:278/721 - Fordham Prep's BBS, Bronx NY


Hi, Rob.

Things are okay around here. schoolwork is a pain in-the-neck and so was the 
application process. Now it's all done and I've been accepted to 8 colleges. 
My first choice, Quinnipiac College in New Haven Connecticut, will be 
hooking 
a BBS to BITNET. Any ideas what is BITNET and the difference between that 
and 
INTERNET?

BTW-How are things in your area?

 > Also WHOIS is an online database sort of operation, you need to have 
 > telnet capability to use it, I do not believe that you can use the 
 > WHOIS or FINGER services thru NetMail. 
 
 Boy, I'm getting question happy today :-)
 But, what are the "telnet capability" and what is the FINGER command?

 > You'd be better off approaching a local college or university and asking 
for
 > and Internet account with telnet and FTP capability than you are 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > trying to do 

What is FTP? and the capability of it?

Hmmm....Maybe I am better off waiting for Bitnet/INTERNET before I get 
hooked with INTERNET. All I'm trying to do is to get messages to my 
sister on INTERNET (which I was able to do) and have her send replys in 
return, she has sent replys but they all NEVER gotten to me!

Thanks for the help.

Pete

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From: Rob.Ripley@f374.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Rob Ripley)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: IT'S WORKING!(?!$#@)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 11:37:56 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/374 - Offline, Mt Waverley

Hi Jim,  I loaned my 5.25" XT to my son (who lives in a country town 200k away from me).  Copied the programs to my 3.5" disk at school. I rearranged the AUTOEXEC.BAT file to load the programs in my XT' extended memory.  Both programs work perfectly.  I scores 80% on my first test!  Do you know what kind of CML software was used to construct the programs?  Have you (or teachers at your school written any?  I will be sending you some demo copies of CBT/CML software written in Australia.
Yours in Woodturning ... and communicating ... Rob.


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From: Peter.Van.Vuren@p20.f17.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Van Vuren)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Solar/Electric Automobiles
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 16:24:32 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/17.20 - Rivendell, Colorado Springs CO

* Original: FROM.... Peter Van Vuren
* Original: TO...... All
* Forwarded by...... Maximus-CBCS v1.00 at 1:128/17.20

All!
There is an organization in Colorado Springs, CO that is promoting an 
event that will challenge vehicles powered by zero poluting fuels such as 
solar or electric power.  The real challenge to this event is the 
location.  The event will take place Oct. 8, 1992 on the Pikes Peak 
highway. The finish line is at the summit of Pikes Peak at an altitude of 
14,000 feet. Sound interesting? let me know. or write to:
Pikes Peak Solar/Electric Challenge
219 W. Colorado Ave., Suite 202
Colorado Springs, CO 80903
or phone at (719) 635-8803 in USA


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From: Vincent.Romeo@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Vincent Romeo)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Tech ed
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 14:59:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

Hi Doug.
Interesting reply. Sounds as if you would like to see technology taught more 
on the top level without some of the older basics first?.
Hopefully I will be teaching full time next year and here in N.S.W, we are 
implementing the new Design & Technology syllabus. This document and the 
support material that comes with it, is lacking in one area. Disadvantaged 
and students with learning difficulties. To make the subject interesting and 
therefore hope to stimulate some form of cognitive retention, it has been 
taught on a hands on, experiential level.
I am very interested to find out ways teachers have used to modify this 
antiquated style.
Sorry if this is repeteting my previous messages.
But, I am interested on methods adopted, in classes were disadvantaged 
students are mainstreamed, thanks for the replies.
Vince.  
 

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From: Peter.Van.Vuren@p20.f17.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Van Vuren)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: location
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 16:23:06 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/17.20 - Rivendell, Colorado Springs CO

Herman! 
Where is Voc Tech BBS? What's the number?


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From: Robert.Paul@p0.f51.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Paul)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: Industrial Arts
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 92 20:36:45 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/51.0 - SaskTel P.A.C.M.I.D, Prince Albert Sask

Hello, I am an educator in the city of Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada.  I am looking for information and communications on alternate/modified educational programmes for students in grades 6 to 12. (age 11 to 18).  Specifically programmes for students who are at risk of leaving school early, not completing grade 12.  I am particularly interested in course ideas that fall into the area of Life Skills, Home Economics, or Industrial Arts.  Due to funding cuts we have cut these classes at the grade 7 throu


gh 9 level and are looking for some practical replacement.  Any information would be appreciated.
Thank you for your interest and cooperation. Robert Paul
Fidonet address 1:140/51



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From: Peter.Eakin@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Eakin)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Teaching Design
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:32:08 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

	message to Steve Cavrak:
		Hello again Steve,
As you probably realise I've received your message about Jane Petrillo
and her Teaching Conference on "Thoughts on the Electronic Bauhaus -
Design & Interactive Learning on the Computer", however... I'm not quite
sure how to contact her, would you have more of an idea on where I would
reach Jane? Would it be easier to just leave her a message in each area?
Anyway, advTHANKSance,
                      Peter Eakin - Sydney, Australia.---

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From: Merle.Rudebusch@f101.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Merle Rudebusch)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Cooperative Education
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 10:44:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/101 - NE Dept. Education, Lincoln NE

Mark, a Coop-Education conference within K-12 Net would be a very good
idea.  We have a Coop-Ed conference operating within Nebraska but it is
mostly supported by 4 year college coop-educators.  We also need a
Tech-Prep conference but until those are set up, Tech-Prep issues could
be discussed within this conference.  I also work with Princpiles of
Technology, so there are several issues that would be important to
discuss, my concern is that fragmentation of conferences with out a
great deal of activity may not be a benefit to the network.  There are
several inactive channels that could be used for a while on these topics
that we would be interested in setting up.  What do you think of that
concept
  SLMR 2.1a  


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From: Scott.Barnham@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Computer Education
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:43:06 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

What school are you teaching at and where?
What classes do you teach?
 
I am interested very much in Macintosh computers, as it is what I 
use most, but know enough about DOS and Apple II to survive.  I am 
spending time looking into the application of computers as tool in 
subjects, rather than just learning about computers for the sake of 
it.  I think a very good example of that, is as you said, CAD and 
Graphics applications used as a tool to enable the creator to spend 
more time creating and modifying.  What sort of things do you do in 
you graphics classes, and with what software?
  
Oh, also, what computers are you using?
 
Have you been able to establish whether the students learn better 
when they follow an integrated approach, using the machines as a 
tool, rather than an unintegrated approach.  I was chatting with 
Catherine in the K-12 Computer Echo, and she said her students 
inceased in their literacy and writing skills dur to using computers 
to aid their writing with an integrated approach.

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From: Stephen.Moody@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Stephen Moody)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Project Marketing
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:37:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

     I am currently studying a Bachelor of Education in Industrial Arts, 
soon to be Design and Technology. I am interested and am trying to gain 
ideas and information that anyone may have, in the marketing of student 
projects and also the student maneagement of these projects. I feel this 
area is neglected in student projects and therefore would appreciate ideas 
and information that anyone may have  
 

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From: David.Mayo@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (David Mayo)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: racial issues
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 10:58:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

 Hello
        I am a fourth year student teacher in Industrial Arts. Here in NSW 
we have a new design and technology syllabus to implement, it states in 
various sections the perspective of Aboriginal culture which we are to apply 
to classrooms of mainstreamed students i.e. Aboriginal, European, White 
Australian, Disabled and exceptional students. From this you can see we have 
a wide range of students with differing cultural and economic standings.
          I am interested in methods that are used in other countries on how 
native culture is related to the core that is taught. Any information on 
this would be appreciated.
Thanks, David.  
 

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From: Herman.J..Matos@f13.n3609.z1.fidonet.org (Herman J. Matos)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: disabled
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 06:21:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3609/13 - VOC TECH, West Palm Beach FL

 >What I am trying to find out is, whether our Design and Technology syllabus
 >does infact cater for these handicapped students gaining the practical
 >skills that those students who are without handicap recieve during the
 >course.

Matthew,

I don't have your syllabus to review and make detailed comments. But, as 
you have indicated you did'nt "notice" any reference in the course outline 
(for the teacher or student?) pertaining to classroom stratergies or 
assistive technologies that would make the difference for the special needs 
student.

Sure, there are new technologies that would make it possible for sensory 
impaired students to succeed in your course of study. The exclusion of 
these stratergies or technologies amounts to "institutionalized
discrimination." This special area of training (assistive/instructional 
technologist) is gaining favor our State of Florida Department of Education.






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From: Paul.Manuel@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Paul Manuel)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Learning and Teaching Design and Technology
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 08:58:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University






  Design and Technology.


 After recently reading the design and techology syllabus and suppport
material I would like to discuss the learning and teaching of design and
technology.
The recomended approaches for teaching and learning of design and technology
include Negotiat, Cooperative and Reflective learning.
 These three approaches have great significance in schools today, providing a
better learning environment for students and teachers from all types of
schools.
 These methods will break down cultural backgrounds and ability diffferences,
bringing out the best in the teachers and students.
 These methods will present an effective learning environment. They also lend
themselves to the teaching of design.
 It would be expected that the students will enjoy the subject creating new
interest supporting the implementation of the syllabus.
 I would appreciate any responce from interested readers.


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From: Felix.Yin@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Felix Yin)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: BBS
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 19:00:18 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

Joe's BAr and Grill 253-2307
Land Mine           549-7342
MoonRise PAgan      665-1158
Halls of Memory     253-4053
The Phantom         584-8402
The Basement        586-9303
The Arctic Chamber  584-3832
Nocturne            256-3111
Cross-Roads         253-0453
All these are 2400 baud except Cross-Roads(1200)
 


                               Bye, Felix Yin AKA TOMMYG


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From: Dave.Starr@f93.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Starr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Tech ed in the States
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:04:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/93 - CSDB BBS, Colorado Springs CO

 On 04-01-92 SCOTT WILLOUGHBY-GREEN wrote to DAVE STARR... 
 
 SW>  Dear Dave, 
 SW>         In reply to your interest on Design and Technology (D&T), the 
 SW>  mandatory course in New South Wales high schools. 
 
Thanks for a most infomrative response.  I have captured it to one of my 
educational resource files.  From first reading I would have to say that 
congratulations seem to be in order for NSW - the program seems quite 
workable and is one of th ebest though out integrations of computers 
into curiculum I've seen.  My view has always been that course material 
should lead to situations that make computer use more advantageous - 
students will then opt to learn as opposed to being "forced" to fulfil a 
requirement. 
 
In an attempt to answer your gender questions, let me caveat that I am 
not a teacher.  My connection with our public schools is that of a 
parent (10th and 12th grade boys).  However, I've earned my living as a 
technical trainer for the US military for some number of years, so I 
feel I know a bit about the value of technical education. 
 
In general the most critical problem US secondary schools seem to have

is a current distaste for any type of technicallu oriented education. 
The is a pervasive view that only "pure academics" leading strictly to 
colege entry upon completetion of high school is the only worthwhile 
goal.  Both my sons have been interesed more in hands-on work than in 
acedemics - and both have been treated by the school system as 
"second-class" students as a result.  My percepton of this attitude 
somewhat colors the rest of my view of our current level of technical 
education. 
 
Those comments aside, the US still has some way to go in removing gender 
bias and sterotyping in secondary school education.  My work with the 
military has given me a unique perspective, since the uS Air Force (in 
particular) has been actively recruiting and training women for 
"non-traditional" roles for some years.  In contrast, public schools (at 
least in this city) are still in the mode of having teachers overtly 
tell students that certain jobs (like typing, filing, nursing) are 
"women's work", and that men who support women's equlity are "less 
manly" than other men.  Thus, of the hands-on educational programs I'm 
intimately aware of (electronics repair, welding, mchining technology, 
auto mechanics), less than one percent of the students are female.  A 
sad tale to report, I'm afraid. 
 
Hope this is of some interest to you, also certainly hope there are some 
other teachers on-board the echo here who will join in the conversation. 
 
 
 
... OFFLINE 136b 
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From: mchurch@cvgs.schools.virginia.edu (Mark Church)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Cooperative Education
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cvgs.1992Apr09.002737.23790
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network

I did not know where else to post this so I posted it here.

Are there any other vocational cooperative education
coordinators out there? I am interested in starting a forum for
co-op teachers (all service areas) If you are interested please
drop me a line or just start posting here.

I look forward to hearing from you.

W. Mark Church, Coordinator
Industrial Cooperative Training
Trade and Industrial Education
Heritage High School
Lynchburg, VA
From: David.Mayo@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (David Mayo)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: culture
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 10:38:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

Hello Sue
        Do you have any ideas/opinions on retaining culture while 
implementing a new syllabus ?
        I am a student teacher in my final year. I am interested in 
how mainstreaming effects the degree to which native culture is retained. 
What strategies are employed and how effective are your syllabuses in 
covering the subject while still incorporating a native cultural content.
Any reply appreciated.
Thanks, Dave.  
 

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