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From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: "KILL your TV" bumperstickers
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:01:40 GMT

In article <86447@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>About that subject line.  Didn't Wendy O'Williams sing (if you could
>call it that) a song by that title?  And perform it onstage with 
>a chainsaw?  

Does anyone know whether there's a connection with John Prine's song
"Spanish Pipedream" from his 1971 album?

	...Blow up your T.V.
	Throw away your paper
	Go to the country
	Build you a home...

-- 
Douglas Harper     | ORA Corporation | 301A Dates Drive | Ithaca, NY 14850 
harper@oracorp.com | (607) 277-2020  | FAX: 277-3206    | USA

Sig quotes available upon request.
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From: ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:06:04 GMT

In article <chris.714120892@rufus> chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:
>ara@wam.umd.edu (Ford Prefect) writes:
>
>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
(it has begun) !!!!!
>Err...it wasn't me. Was it?
>
>


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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: Inconsistent Details -- Trivia
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:01:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.161844.2616@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu) writes:

>...the Sherlock Holmes inconsistancy.  

"*The*" Sherlock Holmes inconsistency???  (as if there were only one)

>Watson was had a war wound (bullet) in the leg in one story, his
>injury had moved to the arm in a later story (I believe that there were
>not  2 such wounds) 

This sort of inconsistency is just the sort of thing the true
Sherlockian loves to play with and reconcile (always within the
framework that the stories and chracters are "real").  There are
piles of books that play this game.

For the wound question, one popular suggestion is that Watson's actual
wound was in a buttock!  This was of course unmentionable because (a) it
was unmentionable, and (b) it implied he had been running away from the
enemy.  So Watson had a "cover" story about a pretended wound, which he
had a problem keeping consistent.

Then there is the Mrs. Watson question.  She seems to die (offstage,
between stories) in order to get Watson back into 221-B for the later
stories.  Yet the dating of some stories in which a living Mrs. Watson
is mentioned is after her death!  Some have hypothesized a second Mrs.
Watson to meet this difficulty (indeed, one biographer proposed a THIRD,
or rather first since she predated Mary Morstan).  Others have called
the later stories which necessitate her "forgeries by Conan Doyle, and
not true histories of Holmes."

Then there's Dr. Watson's first name.  We know he is "John H. Watson,"
yet Mary calls him "James" in one story.  (Dorothy Sayers was truly
brilliant about this one: she decided that the H stood for Hamish, the
Scottish form of James, and Mrs. W adopted the Anglicized form as her
own pet name for her husband.)

In fact, read Sayers' essay about "The Red-Headed League" to see the
game played at its best.  She gives handwriting samples to show how
Watson or Conan Doyle could have got mixed up about the (internally
contradictory) dates, and proves that the day upon which the adventure
occurred was essential to the story, as it was a Bank Holiday.

Jon Alan Conrad
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:06:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug12.220641.24761
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


	Y'know, its kinda funny. All this talk about "the canon", and
Yet I don't think any of us has an idea exactly which literary works
the thing contains.   Sure we can all name a few that are probably on
there, and some of us will argue loudly for those we think should also
belong. But what's it really made up?  Which works are definitely a
part of the canon?
	I have my own ideas, but I'll keep them to myself until I hear
some others.  

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: maureenw@sco.COM (Maureen Wilkes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Unspoken Words
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:18:51 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <1992Aug11.171745.10262@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
>>
>>Yes, I really do "hear" words as I read.  But I see stories, too.
>>Other people have seemed rather amazed to learn that I cast the 	
>>characters in a book and stage the whole production in my head as I
>>read.
>
>YES!  I thought I was the only one who did this.  Soemtimes I have to
>stop reading and decide if character X is going to be wearing a tie
>or not so I know what he will look like.  Oddly enough it doesn't
>work quite the same way with plays, just books.  Sometimes while
>I am driving I will entertain myself with the "movies" I have
>made of books I have read.
>


I get particularly annoyed with an author if he/she describes a character
as having blonde hair or brown eyes or fair skin or whatever, AFTER I've 
already imagined them with dark hair or green eyes or tanned skin, etc.
The wardrobe doesn't concern me as much as the faces and voices.  

Funny, I also don't have as vivid an imagination when reading plays.  I 
find most stage directions to be incomprehensible -- they invariably say 
strange, vague things like, "Downstage left stands the facade of a 
marble fireplace, beside a brown door with stairs leading upstage centre
to a backlit loft, from which our heroine is descending astride a 
papier mache mule."
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Unspoken Words
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 04:26:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug15.151245.21100@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>I believe Tom is confusing a thing and its caricature. It is precisely
>my point that Orwell's school was not a "great Public School" but one
>of the many rather dreadful wannabes. The Public School system as it has
>evolved is truly an affliction of horrifying proportions, but that says 
>nothing about the models.

	I did not cite Orwell; I wasn't even thinking of him.  Try John 
le Carre', who *did* attend a "great" public school.  

	I believe Fido is confusing the ideal and the actual.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
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From: calvo@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sherri Calvo)
Subject: Re: Book recommendation wanted.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.204357.16770@novell.com>, janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone) writes...
>In article <BsHAqt.GzK@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris) writes:
>>                                     Tuesday, the 4th of August, 1992
>>
>>Mark Taranto writes:
>>  Along these lines, I've recently bought a French version of MADAME BOVARY,
>>  to see if I can get back some of the French I've lost.  I was thinking
>>  about reading it, and an English version at the same time. 
>>
      ...
>Mark:
>I improved my ability to read Italian significantly by using the method
>you described. I had to read seven novels in Italian for a course,
>and I was motivated to learn because I wanted to do well in the course.
>I started reading _Il Conformista_ and found that it was such slow going 
>that it was painful. So I would read the paragraph in English, and then
>the same paragraph in Italian.
> 
..
>Now, when I read Dante, I always read a book that contains the
>Italian page and the English translation on the facing page. It's easy
>to switch between the two when I'm confused. 
> 
>Coraggio,
>Janine Schenone
>janines@novell.com
> 

If I come across a book in its original language which I enjoyed in 
translation, I generally pick it up. The familiarity with the work 
helps with the unfamiliar language. Recently I've found "De La Terre A 
La Lune" (Jules Verne) and "La Folle de Chaillot" (don't remember who 
wrote this).

Are the "facing page" translations academic editions? I have a couple 
of books like that in Hebrew/English, but haven't run across any 
in other languages yet.

Sherri

Sherri Chasin Calvo
calvo@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov

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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Dangerous What?
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:36:12 GMT

Janice Miller writes:

	Perusing one of Mike Morris's lists, I came across the following:

		81. Choderlos de Laclos, _Dangerous Acquaintances_

	Is this right?  Has the title really been translated that way?  
	It just doesn't seem . . . well . . . sleazy enough.  More like 
	Pinocchio falling in with the thieves than a steamy story of 
	seduction and betrayal.

	Isn't "liaison" a synonym for "acquaintance" in English, as well 
	as in French?

No. Acquaintanceship would be. Sleaze? Surely almost the opposite. Persons
of great elegance and refinement slowly eaten away by a moral cancer. Your
Topless Bar may be sleaze in extremis, but, nevertheless, have a sort of
cozy, Hogarthian cheerfulness that is quite redeeming. But you are right
in that Laclos has defined "liason" as an English word.

							Fido
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:19:53 GMT

In article <BsxowD.Lo2@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris) writes:

>Of course, these professors are competent
>at one thing: Thomas Hardy. If they train doctoral students,
>they are likely to train them in Hardy. If they vote at faculty meetings
>for whom to hire, they're likely to favor somebody who is an expert
>in Hardy.

This doesn't match my experience as a graduate student. Few if any
specialists of this sort are "competent" in only "one thing," and
none insist on training their students in precisely the same field,
and, if anything, they're relatively *unlikely* to favor somebody who
duplicates their own field -- for obvious reasons, if you stop and
think about it.

I apologize in advance for not getting the joke if you were making one.



--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,     |  "No object is mysterious. The mystery is your eye."
mnemonic@eff.org | 
(617) 864-0665   |                --Elizabeth Bowen
EFF, Cambridge   |
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From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: I need a word
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:28:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.165527.2185@bmerh85.bnr.ca> robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins) writes:
>In article <14186@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>>Chuck Smythe asks for a word meaning "letting the part stand for the whole." I
>>think the word he wants is "synechdoche" (pronounced sin *ek* da key). While it
>
>But I'm interested as to the whys and whens that people use VERY obscure
>words to convey meaning. In which cases is it done to impress, and in
>which cases is it done to convey the subtlety of meaning?

I learned synechdoche in Grade 9 English, when we went through the list of
types of figurative speech, starting with metaphor and simile and going on
from there.

I must admit I don't use it regularly, but I don't think the word is _that_
rare.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
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From: wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.005018.14844@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>Frankly, I have no interest in a god that regards Adolf Hitler &c as the
>"best expression of humanity".  Like believing in G-d, believing that He
>is good and just takes faith, and cannot be proven.
>
>Also, like the existance of a Creator, I see evidence for Man's imperfection
>pretty much everywhere I see Man.  I would catagorize pollution, corruption,
>and greed as some of this evidence.

  I see this argument everywhere ("There is no justice in the world,
therefore there is no just God, therefore there is no God") but it's
completely fallacious. What's so incomprehensible about an evil, sadistic,
jealous and all-around no fun God? Sure, some passages in the Bible
seem to state that God doesn't have these attributes. But if you're
not believing in God, you've already thrown out the Bible entirely,
so where's the block? This is as much of an emotional crutch as theism
is for some. Having an evil Deity is an unpleasant concept to believe in,
but most of us learn around age 4 that the world isn't all fun and dance, 
and unpleasantness does indeed exist. As perhaps might God.
-- 
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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Thomas Harris question
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:25:35 GMT
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

Hi 

I've read Silence of the Lambs, and I've almost finished Red Dragon.
Anybody out there know his other books? Are there any others? Hope so!

Thanks!
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Life's too short. Was: 1930s Science Fiction
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:27:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <WARKENT.92Aug12133912@ltisun9.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun9.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>In article <0-3myxd.tmaddox@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) wrote:
>> A Big Mac should not put one off Chez Panisse
>
>And if Chez Panisse has a set of Golden Arches out front and
>hamburgers on the menu?

	Then you're living in an alternate universe, and so you're on your own.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Asimov and the decay of SF
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:36:10 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: na

In article <qf4m#_n.tmaddox@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom  
Maddox) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.203439.24639@CS.ORST.EDU> Keith Irwin  
<irwinke@CS.ORST.EDU> writes:
> >At any rate, I will admit for now that it is a matter of taste: I  
prefer
> >novels of character over novels of anything else, because I seem  
to get 
> >more out of them, on every level, including entertainment.  
> 
> 	My only question is, why the hell are you reading sf?  It is not  
a 
> literature of character nor does it intend to be--i.e., it's not as  
though sf
> writers are generally trying to do character and getting it wrong.
> -- 

But much of the best SF does do well with characters.  Silverberg,
Le Guin, Bishop, Kim Stanley Robinson, Dick, and so forth
all have produced novels with very strong characters.  In some cases,
SF novels are focused almost entirely on character: 
Silverberg's Dying Inside and Le Guin's The Dispossessed come to
mind.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.192930.11257@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu

ALSO DOES NOT GET THE MESSAGE!!!!!

>as to why create people: nobody ever claimed god is immune to boredom.
>(or maybe, he has his reasons, but they are beyond our imagining. After all,
>can you actually imagine omnipotence?)

The real question we must answer is why all you clods feel that you must
beat this carpet in the books yard?  Haven't you seen that WE DON'T WANT
YOU HERE?!  Keep this kind of _discussion_ in some religious category 
not book, humor, etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron >8^\
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 06:31:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <BsxpCA.M55@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris) writes:
>I disagree with you and with Tom Maddox on this. 

>The Great Books set itself is defined much more objectively and reasonably
>than either of you allow.

	Show some evidence that this is so.  In particular, show that 
works from other cultures of the same centrality in those cultures of the
_Iliad_ or _The Republic_ in ours have been treated "objectively and 
reasonably."  While you're at it, make explicit whatever non-circular
criteria you have for the "Great Books." 
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
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From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Subject: Re: Anybody Else Read History?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:53:44 GMT

In <1992Aug13.210311.17036@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark) writes:
>However, 95% of my recreational reading (for the last few years) has
>been historical in nature. There are quite a few here who say that characters
>are what make the book interesting to them. I must agree and I have found
>histories to be brimming with characters who were complete before the author
>got the idea to write about them.

  The most awesome historical character I have read about is Otto von
Bismarck, the guy who turned Prussia into Germany. I know I am not the only
person impressed, as the board game "Diplomacy" seems to be a direct attempt
to allow all of us to be just like him. Bismarck managed to unify Germany
despite horrendous opposition, and only sparked off two World Wars in the
process. Of course, he had his act together enough to be dead by then :-).
Although I continued reading the book, I lost interest in the bit about
Hitler.
  Another segment of history I enjoyed was the fight for India's independence,
which brings together Gandhi and Churchill, and also some awesomely good army
officer whose name escapes me.


Friendless
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From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.history
Subject: Re: History for Valley gals
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:27:05 GMT
Organization: not the least little bit

In article <1992Aug14.122453@gorgo.gsfc.nasa.gov> sullivan@gorgo.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dan sullivan) writes:
>In article <JMC.92Aug13222901@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
>(John McCarthy) writes:
>|>  (Stuff deleted)
>|> 
>|>      Invasion of America by Dead White European Males
>                               ^^^^
>Thank you for setting the history books straight. I did not know these
>great
>invaders were dead at the time of their invasion. 

Neither did they, apparently.  If they had but known, I'm sure
they would have lain down.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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From: rauchway@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Andrew Rauchway)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon and Women
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:27:56 GMT

_The Yellow Wallpaper_ is a short work by Charlotte Perkins Gilman.  I forget
who asked, but there you are.

Eric Rauchway                    /      My opinions are mine, and not those
rauchway@leland.stanford.edu     /      of the department or university.

Department of History                  Stanford University

*****Those who do not remember history are doomed to flunk my class.*****




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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Dream of Unknown Kadesh
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:51:18 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <cass8806.257@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
> In article <!0!nb3q@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
> 
>>As a result of the recent mention of H.P. Lovecraft, I picked 
>>up several volumes of his short stories and have have found them
> 
> etc.
> 
> the story is actually titled "the dream quest of unknown kadath" and 
> probably doesn't appear in your list because it isn't really a short story; 
> rather it is an eery novel depicting Randolph Carter's journey through the 
> netherworld. now, as to when it was written ...
> 
> by the way -- today is H.P. Lovecrafts birthday; he's 103.
> 
> party at my house -- we're going to watch the GOP convention, HPL 
> himself could never have written anything so horrifying....
> 
> kc

Wish I could come to the party!  Too bad Patrick Buchannan already spoke.  
He'd make a good vampire host for the convention/party.  Happy Birthday Mr.
Lovecraft!

Andrea @ BVC

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