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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:59:31 GMT

In article <6237@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.202811.4800@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>[deleted]
>>
>>Mr. Hira, you will have a lot of trouble trying to explain this to
>>Chinese-cu idiots.  They think that the Chinese-ge alone constitute
>>a race; in other words, there are 4 races, according to Chinese-cu idiots:
>>Negroid, Caucasoid, Non-Chinese-ge Mongoloid, and Chinese-ge.
>
>I will not say anything about the above statement because I
>don't want to be in a war.  I just have one question.  What
>does the "-cu" and "-ge" suffixes mean?
>
>I hope that I won't be sorry for asking that ...

Mr. Lu shouldn't be sorry.

Anyhow, here's the defintion of -cu, -ge, and -ci.  For a while, several
Chinese-cu people have been using the term "Chinese" to mean multiple
items, essentially masking their belief that culture = genetics
(a belief shared by rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis).  So, I provided
a framework for distinguishing among the shades of meaning implicit
in the term "Chinese".

Chinese-ge = one who is GEnetically (ethnically) Chinese[1]
Chinese-cu = one who's CUlture is Chinese
Chinese-ci = one who is a CItizen of China

Note that a Frenchman-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge.

Many Chinese-ge born overseas insist that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu
and that a Frenchman-ge can never truly be Chinese-cu because he
isn't Chinese-ge.  This is a truly racist view of the world.

Chinese-cu are very racist.

P.S.

By the way, Mr. Lu, I'm sure that you will receive some e-mail
from Chinese-cu folks asking you to ignore my posts as well as answering
the question in your post.

[1] I agree that the divisional lines differentiating ethnic groups
is dubious and that all womankind came from a single source, probably
Africa.  However, by at least distinguishing -ge from -cu, we create
a powerful framework for noting and destroying the racist views of
the Chinese-cu twits.

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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: friendships....
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:34:03 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Aug20.172139.23140@novell.com>, mvij@novell.com (Manish
Vij) writes:
|>From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)

|>ObACUA-I:  My parents and I have a continual argument over the meaning of
|>friendship and its relationship with family.  They believe family is
|>far more important than friends, and I agree with them in the sense that
|>familial relationships tend to be much more stable.  Yet they go so far
|>as to discourage spending time with friends because they see it as an
|>intrusion upon spending time with family, as if it were a zero-sum game.
|>I wonder if this is part of Indian culture or just my parents' personal
|>views.

I think this is true of a good number of Indian parents. My folks acted the
same way for a long time with my two older brothers, but have since relented 
when they realized that it didn't make a whole lot of sense. Now I consider
my folks some of my best friends and vice versa. Give it some time.

Ron

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From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Surviving in a White Man's world
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:56:56 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <6296@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

>I supposed that for an American-born Asian, being asked what country
>he/she is from can be offensive.  But one can always reply, "United
>States.  What about you?"  :)  Perhaps a better question to ask is
>"what is your background?" or "what is your ancestry?"  It's a
>reasonable question, since most people in the US are not native
>Americans.

On a similar thread . . . there's a new commercial out (or maybe not so
new, since I don't watch much TV) that pitches a lightweight camcorder with
a nth-generation Asian couple and their little girl who's just learning
to walk.  I suppose they think they're going to score points for being
culturally sensitive, or that they're trying to sell to yuppified
Silicon Valley engineers.

Scored points with me ;-).
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, JJ's lack of it.
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:35:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23432
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <3704@randvax.rand.org> edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
>In any case, I'll not engage you on the name issue any longer.  You
>might be amused to know that "Ed Hall" is also an alias--it is not the
>name I'm listed under in the phone book, or the name which appears on my
>employee ID card or any of my credit cards.  But it is what I choose to
>call myself, and what other people call me.

Now, that's ironic, he's blasting me for using an alias, but if you
walked anywhere near where I work, and asked for "jj", you'd get
to my office forthwith.

Of course, Andy has just claimed otherwise, without any foundation,
and has made much attempted hay of it.  

I must admit that if you were carrying a violin case, so to speak,
you would NOT get directed to my office.

So be it.
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From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: "Caucasian"
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:18:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.seXG0te00VB58PWZUS
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



The name Iran has its root in `Arya'; this, in the proto-Indo-European
language means `noble'. Some books on etymology say the `Eire' from
which we get `Ireland' etc., also is derived from the same root.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, Andy's lack of it.
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
	<23431@alice.att.com> <16p08fINNocr@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:40:22 GMT

In article <16p08fINNocr@agate.berkeley.edu> nbyram@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Byram) writes:
   But JJ, I think you should do more than just respond to his ceaseless 
   lying.  How far is the drive from Jersey to Boston? I personally think
   Andy Shaw should be held personally accountable for his lies--with a 
   good beating. A baseball bat or hammer to the forehead can do wonders 
   to clear up his thinking. It's also harder to tell lies when one's 
   nose and jaw are broken.

   Then again, by that standard, Noam Chomsky (Khmer Rouge apologist),
   also at MIT, should be taken out and beaten...

   Sigh.  If only I could get out of school and work and afford plane 
   fare for a while... 

   Nick Byram 
   Academic Multi-culturalism is the New Communist Propaganda.
   Peel away the "People of Color" rhetoric, and we only find one color--Red.

Wow Nick ... long time, no see.

And all this while, I thought that you were a _real_ asshole -- in fact, it
turns out that you're some sort of counter-intelligence agent probably
brainwashed by an ultra-extremist Asian group to make white people look
like fools.  I mean, this is a bit ridiculous ... "a hammer to the
forehead" ...  I think those guys went a bit too far with you.  Ease back
from the edge, and you'll be a lot more credible: as it is, your
programming is a little bit too obvious.

Either that, or you're some ultra-radical "person of color" pretending to
be a white guy.  I mean, nobody could be this stupid in real life ... could
they?

Love ya babe,

Andy
From: rw@HPLB.HPL.HP.COM (Russil Wvong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:54:35 GMT

Okay, Dwight:  If I understand you, you're saying that the Chinese have
committed great crimes against humanity (that the victims were Chinese
isn't really relevant -- they were human beings).  So they should apologize
to humanity.  No, that isn't quite right.  First, they should stop, then
they should apologize to humanity.  Is that correct?

>                                                             for the
>life of me, I will never understand why a Chinese parent would
>strangle her/his own baby girl with his/her bare hands.  I'll
>never understand it.

I can understand your revulsion.

>>But I hope you're not saying that Japan should therefore be excused for
>>invading Korea and China.
>
>I never said that.

Glad to hear it.
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Correction on my attributions (was Re: Caucasians don't understand)
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:49:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Aug15.074911.22476
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

In article <1992Aug15.072142.22272@oakhill.sps.mot.com> I screwed up on
the attributions.

All of the attributions, both the > and >> remarks, were Andy's.  For
some stupid reason I attributed the > remarks to Dwight.  I responded
to Dwight's article in a separate post.

Sorry to Andy and Dwight for the confusion.

(BTW Dwight, that was an excellent article from you.  And you know I don't
say that to you very often.  :-) )

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:23:36 GMT


In article <1992Aug16.025209.24056@cs.UAlberta.CA> mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark Green) writes:
!
!There is a major difference between racism in North America and China.
!In North America the racism is more subtle, while in China its blatant.
!In some parts of China, a white person walking on the streets alone
!can count on some type of physical attack on a regular basis.

In some parts of the US, a person walking on the street can be physically
attacked just because of his/her skin color.  Let me rephrase this:  In
many parts of the US, a person ....

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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Melting Pot Semantic (was Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions)
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:04:17 GMT

In article 3839@bnr.ca, thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.174256.1647@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>>In article 23448@alice.att.com, jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:
>>>In article <SHAW.92Aug13001642@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>>
>
>[white elitism and other entertaining discussions gone]
>
>>
>>
>>I don't think Andy is a separatist, I think he is being realistic.  I definitely 
>>do not belive in the whole melting pot concept.  That is something that scares
>>me because that is basically saying that we are all stripped of our individuality 
>>and conform to a majority viewpoint. 
>>
>
>I would have to differ with your melting pot interpretation.  I've always
>thought that the melting pot concept embraced a "unity in diversity" theme,
>or have I been brainwashed by the public school system?  Of course it is
>an ideal interpretation and as we know ideal and real worlds do not
>necessarily coincide with each other.  Nevertheless the melting pot most
>certainly does not strip us of our individuality.
>
>laly thao
>
>	melting pot recipe:  8 parts caucasoid to 2 parts mongoloid,
>                             stir well and watch it boil  :-)
>
>
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Laly,  think about a fondue pot.  I don't know if you know how it works, but 
the idea is to blend cheeses and alcohol together to achieve a HOMOGENEOUS
mixture.  That to me is the melting pot concept.  The finished product is 
a blend of all the ingredients, but in order to discern the individual
component is next to impossible.

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From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:44:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.

In article <1992Aug13.034552.2450@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.021954.4194@bnr.ca> thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.010803.20829@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>...

[previous posts and subsequent replies deleted]

>
>Wait a sec.
>
>Mr. Thao, I recall that there was a Vietnamese-American lady who
>worked at BNR.  She posted about 6 months ago, complaining of
>boredom and disinterest in her job.  To use her words, she
>was "tired of fighting the switches"; she apparently was testing
>digital switches at the time.
>
>I had suggested that she come to California to work as a 
>spokesmodel for Nissan.
>
>I'm sure that Mr. Pak has her post backed up somewhere.  Perhaps,
>he could refresh our memories.
>

well, i tried locating her a few seconds ago.  apparently, she is no
longer here at bnr.

i guess my name is slightly misleading since laly *looks* and sounds
feminine and to compound the matter my last name thao is also a
common first name for vietnamese females.  

well, at least, no one on scaa will make that mistake again.  :-)

laly thao  "still a co-op and still male"


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lrq@fanny (Robert Quan)
Subject: Caucasians don't understand
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:36:17 GMT


Why is it that a majority of the non-orientals (caucasians) that post here
all tend to have an optimistic view on racism.  
How can anyone who doesn't know what it feels like to be harassed based on
there race/culture understand.
It seems to me that anyone lacking first hand experience at being the
receiving end of extreme racism and be able to offer advice hypocrites.

    Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: ORIENTALS???????
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:49:30 GMT

In article <25446@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jscott@Aztecridge.LosGatos (John Scott) writes:
>Whenever I call an oriental "oriental", I always get told to say Asian
>instead.  I just don't understand what the big deal is with you
>orientals!!!  I always ask for a legitimate reason but never get one.  I
>hope someone on this newsgroup could give me a reasonable explanation. 
>Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with calling Korean, Chinese, and Japanese
>people "oriental."
>
>John Scott

Gee . . . it's amazing what leaving out a little smiley face can do.
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From: jlw@gestalt.austin.tx.us (James Waldrop)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: caucasians
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:11:46 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM

I'm rather new to this group, but this article was a tad annoying,
so I'm doing the 'F' thing.

pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes) writes:
>   I take it as an affront for you to read here and critize what you 
>read...you have no idea what these people have been thru or will go 
>thru...certainly you may challenge and question but you can't tell 
>someone they are wrong or call them whiners because you don't and WON'T
>understand...who they are and why they feel the way they do. You can't 
>understand if you are critizing...you can't say some of these people are 
>wrong because you one one asian co-worker at your office or have one 
>asian friend. One does not a people make.

Shall we all go away and let you have your private little pity
party then?  If you don't want any criticism, honest or otherwise,
form a mailing list.  Usenet is about communication, and getting
upset about that isn't going to change anything.

>The asian community is JUST as diverse and at times intolerant as the
>anglo society. 

I suppose this post proves that, eh?

Sulam (white, but not caucasian)
-- 
James Waldrop
jlw@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu

I walk along the path muttering about signs and portents.
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Aug19.175943.19507
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <9208191443.AA11571@otter.hpl.hp.com> russil%idacom.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>Dwight Joe writes:
>>I agree that Japan did a lot crap in Asia during WWII.  I also
>>agree that the gov't of Japan is outright distorting the true history
>>of WWII in the "history" books used in the public schools.  It is
>>_wrong_ of the Japanese to do so.
>> ...
>>But what Japan did pales in comparison to what the Chinese have down.
>
> ...
>I think "shame" is what you're looking for.  You're saying, Chinese people
>should be *ashamed* of their history and culture, rather than glorying in it.
> ...
>But I hope you're not saying that Japan should therefore be excused for
>invading Korea and China.

With all due respect, I think netters replying to logic presented to Dwight
Joe is wasting everybody's time.  I mean, even those hard core Japanese
ultrarightists would not present out of place rethoric as D.Joe does above.
Each topic deserves its own parlance but not the way D.Joe tries to mingle
off the wall subjects together.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:13:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Aug14.202811.4800@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>[deleted]
>
>Mr. Hira, you will have a lot of trouble trying to explain this to
>Chinese-cu idiots.  They think that the Chinese-ge alone constitute
>a race; in other words, there are 4 races, according to Chinese-cu idiots:
>Negroid, Caucasoid, Non-Chinese-ge Mongoloid, and Chinese-ge.

I will not say anything about the above statement because I
don't want to be in a war.  I just have one question.  What
does the "-cu" and "-ge" suffixes mean?

I hope that I won't be sorry for asking that ...

			- David

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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:49:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23477
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug17.232336.25429@sco.com> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
>In some parts of the US, a person walking on the street can be physically
>attacked just because of his/her skin color.  Let me rephrase this:  In
>many parts of the US, a person ....

Well, it doesn't say much for the USA, but I'm sure than any coorespondant
to this group can find such a place in any major city in the USA,
strictly due to racial issues.

That's why working together would be so much better.
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From: frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: New Movie: Rapid Fire
Date: 17 Aug 1992 14:59:55 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Hey, has anyone seen the ads for the movie coming out this Friday called
_Rapid Fire_?  It stars Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee.  Looks good, can't
wait to see it.  Of course as someone that likes Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan,
Steven Seagal and Van Damme movies, I'm partial to this kind of film.

Ok AAM guys, with our new image from this film and the Cosmopolitan
article Clare's going to write for us, we should be besieged with
women soon. ;-)

Frank