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From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Keywords: john,sports,dci
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:25:57 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <14APR199211284480@rigel.tamu.edu> dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>
>	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
>see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)

Someone already did this on the finals tv show.  They did the start
of the BD show.  It wasn't until I saw the drawings that I noticed 
that the show started with a tic-tac-toe design and moved in to a
geometric design.

>	"Well....I don't know Dick. It doesn't look like this guy's got his
>stuff together. Now if you'll look at the replay you'll notice the hand off.
>The secondary drum captain nearly fumbles the stick, but it was recovered
>by the pit section. In my opinion Dick, anymore slip-ups like this and
>we could be talking about a good 3 points off of their rating."
>
>D.L.G.III Ex-L.B.J. Jag Drumline
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: BugleCam
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr16.111029.2379@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.001739.21410@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl L Wylie) writes:
>> The real answer is to hide a mini-cam inside the bell of a contra to get the 
>> view from the field. 
>> 
>> Darryl Wylie (Bearhug)
>
>Now aren't those little super-miniature cameras tiny enough to put
>just about anywhere?  Like in a helmet, ala WLAF or on a monkey or
>cow, ala David Letterman?  So.... how about ...
>
>   Stick-cam - the lens on the tip of a snare`s stick.  Surely
>               one of the most active shots you can get.
>
>   Rifle-cam - implementing this on a Cadets' rifle for use during
>               one of their five rotation tosses could get Pepto
>               Bismol to sponsor the whole broadcast.
>
>   Judge-cam - put this one on the field percussion judge facing
>               backwards so we can see him get run down by the 
>               soprano line.
>
Do judges get hazardous duty pay for working on the field?  If
they don't they should.  Do the old judges that can't move
quickly any more get put in the stands?

Putting the "Judge-cam" on the front of the judge might be a good
idea so we could see what they were looking at when they judged a
show.  It might be interesting to compare a viedo with a score sheet.

Neil
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord)
Subject: Events Schedule
Reply-To: doug@justdoit.b23a.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:32:45 GMT

Does anyone have a schedule for dci events and locations. 
Please email or post. Thanks!

--
Doug Harbord 		Intergraph Corporation
Mail Stop LR23A-1	Systems Product Marketing
(205)730-8576		b23a!justdoit!doug
internet 		doug@justdoit.b23a.ingr.com
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: BugleCam
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:10:28 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr16.001739.21410@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl L Wylie) writes:
> The real answer is to hide a mini-cam inside the bell of a contra to get the 
> view from the field. 
> 
> Darryl Wylie (Bearhug)

Now aren't those little super-miniature cameras tiny enough to put
just about anywhere?  Like in a helmet, ala WLAF or on a monkey or
cow, ala David Letterman?  So.... how about ...

   Stick-cam - the lens on the tip of a snare`s stick.  Surely
               one of the most active shots you can get.

   Rifle-cam - implementing this on a Cadets' rifle for use during
               one of their five rotation tosses could get Pepto
               Bismol to sponsor the whole broadcast.

   Judge-cam - put this one on the field percussion judge facing
               backwards so we can see him get run down by the 
               soprano line.

Just a thought,

 - jay g
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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: uniform question
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:51:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.153905.1@runt.appstate.edu> grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:

>one of my best friends and i (we drummajored for rival high schools, marched 
>dci together, march in college together, are both music majors, are brothers of
>Kappa Kappa Psi and we work in show design currently) have a running argument
>about a very insignificant aspect of the "marching" activity concerning
>
>	
>	I say that spats worn on the feet of the performers attracts attention
>to that area just as gauntlets or plumes would to their respective areas.  
>Therefore i feel like spats would indicate exposure of individual and ensemble
>marching technique rather than my friend who theorises that spat hide marching
>technique.

>>>I agree with you here. If anyone remembers the 27th Lancers, they wore white
spats on black shoes. I'm positive it was not to HIDE their technique...
especially since they wore dark pants also. If the uniform is right, I think
spats look very nice....

>
>He quotes DCI announcer Rondinaro as the source for this comment and i cannot
>believe it.  Can someone find this reference for me?
>
>the only situation that i see where spats would hide technique is in the rare
>occaision that the color of the spats matches the color of the trousers...
>
>thanks...
>
>ptSLOAN
>"sir dolittle the KNYGHTE"
>grs01146@runt.appstate.edu
>Appalachian State University 

...Kel


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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: dci/pbs
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 23:29:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University


I have to agree... the DCI broadcasts 1982-1984 were the worst:

1982 - good filming RUINED by the constant talking by Rondo throughout
       the performances.

1983 - Way too much time in the pit.  Filming missed nearly all of the
       awesome Bridgemen drum solo.  At one point the snare line is
       shown doing nothing for several seconds... and they're even
       pointing to the tenor line that obviously has the feature.  The
       cameramen didn't get the hint.

1984 - Yes, clearly the worst filming.  NO drum features shown, and 
       nearly all of the drill moves were missed.  The filming of
       Garfield and Zingali's masterpiece is a tragedy.

I might add that it was only since 1987 that they've really started
showing the snare features.  This is especially frustrating in that
the winning drum lines of the Bridgemen in the late-70s/ early 80s
are not captured on film.

The filming recently is MUCH improved.  But then there's Curt Gowdy...
I won't get into that just now.
                                         Scott

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bignate@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland)
Subject: hello
Keywords: drum corps and edu.
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:15:14 GMT

Hello out there!,

	I heard about this group, from a couple  of buddies here at  
school(U. of Maryland),so I thought I'd check it out.

	I noticed all the talk about scores and winning and great shows,  
and thought I would lead away from the competitive aspect of the activity  
by posing the question of the importance of education in drum corps.  To  
corps members and the audience.  I know that I'm a completely different  
person than I was a year and a half ago both in the amount of musical  
knowledge I gained and my attitude about life in general. 
	I marched Cadets in '91 and aged out.  I'm a Senior MU-ED major,  
my instrument is the tuba, I marched Contrabass.  I didn't know what I was  
in for when going to my first camp.  I expected alot of loud blowing and  
had my doubts about the musicality and their approach to it. Boy was I  
suprised!  I learned more about brass playing in that one weekend than I  
did my entire first year of College!  And the things I got from the entire  
summer, translate directly to what I do in everything from marching  
band(sorry) to my performance lessons.  It excited me enough so that I was  
enthusiastic about Music again after some real bad burnout.  What I  
learned that summer is going to help me make my high school marching band  
a great experience for my students, if the budget cuts get better in this  
part of the country that is.  I just thought it would be nice to stimulate  
some discussion on this topic so please respond, even if you think drum  
corps is there just for the entertainment value I'd like to hear about it  
and why you think this is so.
	
	As for great shows I guess I'll pitch in too:

	84-Cadets- West Side-horn line!
	87-Santa Clara Vanguard- Russian- I can't wait to see them this  
summer, I have tickets to "preview" in Nashville.
	   Cadets-Appalachian Spring- Percussion, listen to that pit!
	88-Madison- Malaguena- Maybe the most exciting 5 min. of drum  
corps.
	   Cavaliers-Firebird- Very tasteful, my favorite thing musically  
they have ever done.
	89-SCV- Phantom
	   Phantom Regiment- New World
	
Oh well, take it easy, please respond!  Later.

Nate Holland 
CADETS OF BERGEN COUNTY '91
Contrabass!!	   
abc's
From: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Omar A. Zaidi)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:31:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr9.163101.28930
Reply-To: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.174451.9457@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.211829.26963@csn.org> netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc) writes:
>>
>>The Madison Scouts (corps!) performed Concerto for Guitar and Jazz Orchestra
>>and Malaguena in 1988. Their corps was extremely well rounded -- they won no
>>captions, but took the championships.
>>
>>--phil
>
>Actually, Madison did win visual by a tenth or two (I don't remember).  BD
>DID have the horn line from hell.  You were right about that.  My CD is
>wearing thin there too.
>
>I actually liked SCV's musical book better in 88 than 89.  I can't put my
>finger on it, but although it was certainly performed better a year later,
>I still found 88 more musically spine-tingling.  Every time I hear the
>company front at the end of the show I get shivers.  Music like that makes
>drum corps great.
>
>Dave

My Hs Band (Westlake High school in austin texas) marched to "Phantom of the
Opera" in 88 when SCV did it. We took several drills from them and we went to 
the MBA regionals and one of the GE judes was a drill writer for SCV and he
said he wanted to keep the video of our performance because the music we
used was basically the same as SCV and we had a few twists in our drill such as
the company front at the end was straight and not diagonally across the field.
also we added a 3/2 measure before the company front moved forward. Well,
lo and behold next year in 1989, SCV shows up with that move we used...

My band director (Van Ragsdale) must have been pretty happy.. The judge at 
MBA ranked us 2nd in GE but we got creamed by Crockett HS and Westfield HS
then again, we only had 89 ppl (smallest 5A marching band at the competition)

The Texas Sax Player

Omar Zaidi

zaidioa@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:01:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.084218.7095@cco.caltech.edu>, michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
> 	That's enough for now.  BTW, I am rather disappointed in the sites
> chosen for DCI finals.  Jackson, Mississippi?  Jacksonville, Florida?
> Sheesh, I never knew these cities were ever interested in drum corps let
> alone have some.  I just feel that the Board of Directors should have
> considered things other than the 'great' deals that these cities submitted.  I
> don't know but I feel that city participation should weigh heavily as a
> factor.  (Darnit, why was Madison, Wisconsin zotted?)

They don't.  Have corps, that is.  ( If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will
point it out. :-)  Perhaps its to spread the gospel, as it were.  Finals
have been in Birmingham AL and the South regional has been there for the
last few years and I believe that B'ham has shown its support for DCI 
pretty well.  Ask me or some of the other few thousand `91 South attendees
who went to the show in a pouring thunderstorm, without knowing if the
show would be canceled or not.  As Michael Fath and I have pointed out,
the south has up and coming corps and in the past, kids have not been
really 'into' drum corps down here.  There are vast pools of talent in
the region including Miss. and north Florida that remain largely 
untapped.  Having finals in these locales will give the activity more
exposure in this region which is still adding population at an extreme
rate.  

One need only look to the athletic success of the three Div I universities
in Florida to get some idea of the talent pool and dedicated kids there 
are to work with.  Football saw Miami, FSU and UF in the top five for most
of the season; last week all three universities were in the top ten in 
baseball.  Basketball saw UF in the finals of the NIT and FSU in the 
Sweet Sixteen.  All of this has been done with mostly home-grown talent.
I beleive the same success can be acheived by a corps in the south.  
Look at Southwind and Carolina Crown in Div. II.

> 	It just isn't right when barely anyone shows up to watch the 'Parade'
> which is only lasts 3 blocks, when people stare at you and your friends 
> wearing corps jackets at stores and they ask you if you are a part of a gang, 
> etc..  Where's the town involvement?  That's all I ask.

Laying this indictment on Jacksonville and Jackson, neither of which
have had a chance to play host yet, is a bit unfair.  I'll reserve 
judgement on Jackson until after I go to South there this season.
I do know for a fact that there are drumcorps fans in Jackson.  Give
the cities a chance before you condemn them completely.

 - jay
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <DRAPEAU.92Apr17024508@oglala.Stanford.EDU> drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:
>Hey, isn't anybody going to answer the trivia question?  I'll take a
>shot at it myself.
>
>In article <1992Apr16.084218.7095@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>	   What year did DCI allow the drum corps to have a pit section (the
>   non-marching kind)?  Note: corps used to march everyone on the field.  There
>   were keyboard marchers (anybody recognize them in 1991 Star?), TYMPANI
>   marchers (!), and etc..
>
>I believe that 1983 was the first year that front percussion was
>allowed.

I think it's a trick question.  There was a "semi" pit in '82, with just
tympani, gongs, ... in it.  Mallets had to march.  '83 was the first year
with mallets in the pit, which led to the masses of percussion instruments
that are there today.  This probably had something to do with PBS spending
too much time there in '82 and '84.  Hell SCV had about a dozen people in
their pit in '84 - it was a new thing and was important in selling the show.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Rule on Age
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: Rule on Age
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr10.164437.8012@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.151110.9624@infonode.ingr.com> windhamj@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Jeff Windham) writes:
>>Hello drumcorp fans, family, and friends.  I am so glad that I found this 
>>group.  I enjoy DCI competitions thouroughly.  I have marched in high school
>>and college, but never in drumcorp.  I started the 90 season with Spirit but 
>>unfortunately decided to go to summer school instead of marching and quit.
>>It is a decision I have regreted ever since so I am writing to found out the 
>>exact rule on age.  I am 21 and was wandering about when you actualy age out.
>>Do you have to be 21 at the end of the season or can you turn 22 during the
>>season and still be eligible?  Any information on this will be very helpful.
>>
>>I know I could not get on with a larger corp this late, but if I am eligible 
>>I would at least like to try an join the only corp in Alabama, down in 
>>Montgomery.
>
>>Thanks in advance for all responses.
>>
>>Jeff "Boner" Windham
>>-- 
>>Jeff Windham
>>windhamj@iaserv.b1.ingr.com
>
>>>>I beleive you can now march through the season even if you turn 22 half way
>through. The rule used to be that you can march up untill age 21 and if you
>turn 22 two days before final, you would not be able to march Nats... 
>
>...anyone else?
>
>kel

I thought that you could not march when you were 22 at all.  I thought your
last season would be when you were 21 and that was it but I am not positive.
If there was a change in the rule within the last couple of years then I
could be totally wrong.

kh
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: Glassmen
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 22:19:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University


I was assuming that by now someone closer than I would have posted that
the Glassmen are indeed alive and well.  In fact, the last two years
have been their best in a long time.  They've finished about 17th place
the last two years with a full-size corps and a jazzy style.

Their comeback started about three years ago when they had a small but
talented corps.  Their opener of "Key to Her Ferrari" was one of my
favorites of the year ('88?).  Since then they've grown to become one
of the "big" corps.  They're on the last few CDs.
                                                      Scott

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:02:58 CDT

In article <29E6141C.4210@ics.uci.edu> dbell@ics.uci.edu (David Bell) writes:
>Just my $0.02.
>
>Dave

Oh no! not *another* "Dave"!  I guess I need a .sig file to be cool like
everyone else now!
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: clark@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Clark Brooks)
Subject: Re: In the spirit which the composer intended it to be performed
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:28:41 GMT

zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Johanna) writes:
...
>If I were a composer and that were my piece being performed in that
>manner (drumcorps setting) I would   get my 357 to the director's
>head immediately. I would be and am livid and enraged at the thought
...
>Otherwise, performance in
>any other context than the original score is blasphemous. Please
>do us musicians that courtesy. Thank you.

>Johanna
----------------------
I shall have to keep my .357 ready in case you ever hum, whistle, or sing an
orchestral tune.

		-- Clark

If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be Art.
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who?, Johanna, and Madden!
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:05:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Apr16.010531.19364
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr15.223511.20791@wam.umd.edu> bignate@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland) writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>	Does anyone out there know where old "Reliable Rondo" marched, I  
>get the feeling it was somewhere in the Midwest.
>

He marched in a corps called the Watkins Glen Squires in New York State.
I believe they made 13th place some year (I'm not sure whether they
competed in open class or Class A (which is different from the Class A
of today)).

Didn't Rondinero help form the Florida Wave?

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ivan@ux.acs.umn.edu (Ivan W. Hyde)
Subject: Re: best cities for finals
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:41:33 GMT

In <1992Apr14.162750.18933@netwise.com> pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.143805.74670@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>>I have attended the last six finals.  In my opinion, Madison was by far
>>the best CITY for the show.  It's a small, safe, attractive college town
>>with a great campus and a neat downtown, and everything's walking distance.
>>The people in the town really get into it, and the parade is always great.
>>The best stadium is in Kansas City.  But I still had more fun in Madison.
>>I can't wait for this august!!

>The only real problem with Madison is the housing. Folks who got motel rooms
>somewhat late were winding up in Janesville. Folks who got their rooms really
>late were winding up in northern Illinois.

>It's too bad that the University couldn't provide more housing; perhaps it's
>too close to the students returning to dorms in the fall.

I would say Minneapolis is well geared up for an attraction like this...
After hosting the Super Bowl, Final Four, World Series, Stanley Cup
playoffs, WCHA championship... This town is definately the place for events
this year! 

Ivan
-- 


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From: cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook)
Subject: Re: asymmetrical drill
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:56:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.221018.6237@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>In article <8duXu1m00WBK09rHlz@andrew.cmu.edu> df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David James Foremsky) writes:
>>On 14-Apr-92 in PS. altered CDs              
>>user Michael Wang@cco.caltech writes:
>>>	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
>>>                 designs into their program?
>>
>>I once talked to a guy who thought it was Garfield, but I'm laying my
>>money on Santa Clara. (I don't know when, though.  Sorry)
>>deej
>
>I'm putting my money on SCV too.  I can't remember my history that well, but
>I think it was in the 70's and that SCV got SLAMMED score wise.  The idea
>was *way* to radicle for the jucges to handel.
>
>Times, they are a changin'.
>
>Dave

I never did personally see the performance, but I was told that SCV did the
first asymmetrical drill when they did the show for the Planets, I think
it was 1980.  When they used planets in their drill designs.  Kind of sad
that they got ripped on their marching score.  

As for the topic of favorite show of all time.  I would have to say
Garfield Cadets 1984 or 87.  I will miss the passing of Zingali though,
to march one of his drills is a dream come true, a whole other way of 
learning to march again.

Well that is my $.02 cents.

Hasta!

-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Marietta Cook					  email:  cookm@ucs.orst.edu
  IRCnick: Ren
		"Land on your mocassins not your guccis"
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