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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: LONDON in 17 hours!
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
	<1992Mar26.234946.11404@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 03:36:49 GMT

 Lew> == Lew Yan Voon <llew@wpi.WPI.EDU> 

 Lew> In article <1992Mar26.100912@eriador.Prime.COM>
 Lew> regis@eriador.Prime.COM (Charles Regis) writes:
>Could anyone out there suggest some good places to visit in 
>London? I will be having a 17 hour stopover (early morning,
>around 5.00am till about 10.30pm or so) and hope to see
>a few good places. Also, any idea of whether it would be
>worth doing any clothes shopping in London(mens pants 
>formal/informal etc) and where would be a good place to 
>shop? Any info welcome. 
>

[...]
 Lew> maybe chaniging of the guard at the palace (it occurs around
 Lew> 10:30-11am evryday except rainy days and xmas?).
it happens when it rains. If it didn't, the guards would never get a
rest! ;-) ;-) 

Remember, though, if you're coming in and going out International, allow
at least an hour each direction for Passport control (and inbound
customs). 

--Helen
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From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: weather in england
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:19:52 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr15.173931.2939@arizona.edu>, stevens1@evax2.engr.arizona.edu writes:
> I will be in England from May 18, traveling from Liverpool to 
> London, and in the southeast.  I'd like to know what the weather
> will be like, and have checked several sources, none of which
> seem to agree.  One said it would be about 50 degrees Fahrenheit,
> another said 70 degrees!  If anyone has firsthand knowledge, please
> let me know.
> 
> Thanks!

Well, British weather is notoriously unpredictable. The 50 - 70 range will
probably cover most of May! In practice, you will probably get temperatures in
the 60s most of the time. BTW, most temperatures are given in Celsius over here:
50F = 10C, 60F = 16C, 70F = 21C

Dave
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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Things to see in Florida
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:35:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.131637.11617@cs.tu-berlin.de>, net@cs.tu-berlin.de
(Oliver Laumann) writes:
> I will go on vacation to Florida with a friend for two weeks beginning
> at Easter Monday, and I'd like to hear some opinions and recommendations
> on things that are worth visiting.
> 
> We're not so much interested in the standard tourist attractions like
> Key West, Orlando area, JFK space centre etc., but more in things like
> wildlife refuges, animal watching (but not of the `lion safari' or
> `trained alligator show' type), tropical plantations, national parks,

  There is the Ding Darling refuge on Sanibel Island.  Don't
  forget the Everglades National Park (though the best time to
  go there is in January when all the birds are visiting).


> and quiet places in general (like Captiva Island, where I was the first
> time I visited Florida).

  As you've mentioned Captiva is wonderful.

> 
> Have any of you net.readers been to Edison's botanical garden or the
> sunken gardens at Fort Myers(?), and did you like it?  How does the

  I've been to Edison's house several times and have always
  enjoyed it.  I don't think of it so much as a botanical
  garden, but as a tour of his house, laboratory, and
  experimental gardens (he was growing bamboo for filament,
  and trying to come up with a replacement for rubber).  I
  find the whole tour very interesting.

> 
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> 
> --

  You're welcome.

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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: info on Coney Is.
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:37:27 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston



If I were you I would allow a LOT more time for just walking around
the city! New York is a fascinating place and it will be frustrating
to over-schedule yourself. When you go to Ellis Island, come back and
walk around Battery Park and Wall Street.
  Walk around Midtown, Avenue of the Americas, see the RCA
building...walk up to Columbus Circle and Central Park. Walk up
Central Park East to the Museums around 72nd st...see Times Square...
if you like, walk up by the galleries.... or walk down Broadway to 
5th Avenue and check out all the fancy shops...or from the Village,
walk up to Herald Square and go to Macy's...
 
  (I am not naming these places in order of walking, just pick a few!)
I wouldn't go out to Coney Island if you only have a few days.
As you can tell, I think walking and people-watching are the best
things to do in New York! 
  
   
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Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: jchen@ftrooper.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Is it true?
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:44:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.161210.18703@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, yeb@egr.msu.edu (        ) writes:
|> I heard from friends that there is a Korean airline which has flight    
|> from  some cities of USA to Harbin, China. Can anyone confirm this?
|> Please give more detail information about this.
|> 
|> Benson

Why not just ask them?

Call 800-555-1212 to find out their toll-free number.
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Xref: sparky rec.travel:5587 rec.travel.air:620
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Amtrak & Airline combo
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:42:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sl3dfINN9f6
Organization: University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Originator: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU

Here's a deal that was announced in the latest newsletter sent to
United Airlines frequent flyer ("MileagePlus") members.  What is
interesting about this offer is not just the price.

--------- AIR RAIL ----------
United and Amtrak have joined together to offer you a unique travel
experience - the Air-Rail Travel plan.

The plan is a flexible way to cross the U.S.  Fly United one-way and earn
Mileage Plus miles for your flight.  Then return by train along Amtrak's
nationwide network of rail lines.  Along your rail route, you can choose
three stopovers.

Rountrip coast-to-coast travel starts at just $449.

Call your travel agent or Amtrak's Great American Vacations at 800-321-8684.
------------------------------

If you call Amtrak to buy a ticket across the country, the price is
about $400 and you get three stopovers.  The stopovers can be anywhere,
so you can start in San Francisco, stop once in New York, stop once
in San Francisco, and go to New York again.  (You have to do it within
a certain amount of time.)  What I'm wondering, and will look into,
are the restrictions with the above offer.  Sounds like an Amtrak
ticket with a one-way U.S. ticket for $50...

Am wary of the "starts at just $449"

Will post to the net anything I find out.

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
Not endorsed by UC Berkeley.
I'm not employed by either United Airlines or Amtrak.
Nor do I wish to be.
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: must sees/dos/eats in Brussels
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:35:47 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories

Hi everyone.  I'm going to be in Brussels Belgium briefly (how many more
B's can I work into this sentence) but I've been unable to buy any books
about this beguiling city.  Whew.  Anyway, I've been looking everywhere
in the area I live (metro New York) for a small pocket guide to the sights
of Brussels, but haven't been able to find one.  I guess no one around
here ever goes to Belgium.  Or everyone's decided to go, so all the books
are sold out.

So, if you had 3 days and 2 nights in Brussels during the second week of
May, what would you do?  Where would you eat?  And most importantly, where 
would you buy chocolate?

Thanks,

Laura
laura@usl.com
From: klopfens@bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: What's Poughkeepsie, New York like?
Keywords: New York, Marist, Poughkeepsie
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:43:28 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

I am interested in a job in Poughkeepsie, New York, but know nothing 
of the community.  What is the area like?  Terraine?  The local
economy?  History?  Any info would really be appreciated.

Thanks.

Bruce Klopfenstein

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy)
Subject: Re: AMEX on USAir
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division
Distribution:  world
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.154757.228741@cs.cmu.edu> jl+@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon) writes:
>
>  I've heard a number of times that it is possible to use the American Express
>Student vouchers on USAir.  I'd like to do just that.  I also remember 
>someone posting a USAir promotion code that was the key to this, since
>many reservations agents did not know about it.  Does anyone have this
>code or anything that might help me get through?

On similar lines, does Continental accept Chase
Manhattan vouchers? Seems a good way to save $55.
Chase Manhattan visa for students is free, I'm told.

Thanks,
    Vasudev Murthy

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From: gosula@iris.ucdavis.edu (Gosula Venkata RAJAsekhara Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Looking for travel partner Spain/Marocco May-11 to May-31
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:26:55 GMT
Reply-To: gosula@iris.ucdavis.edu (Gosula Venkata RAJAsekhara Reddy)
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science


I am posting this for a friend of mine, so PLEASE do not
use reply or forward, use his email address:
	vkk@isi.com
I will  not be forwarding responses to him.
message:
--------------------------------------------------
Hi. I'm going to be in Spain from May 11-May 31 and was interested
in going to Morocco as well.  However i have heard that it is
advisable to travel in groups to Morocco as there is not much
assurance of personal safety. Is there anybody out there who is
planning such a trip in this time frame and would like a travel
partner?  If so, please let me know. 
Vinay Krishnaswamy
Integrated Systems, Inc.
(408) 980-1500 x513
vkk@isi.com
--------------------------------------------------
From: hunter@duke.cdc.com (jim hunter x2451)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Half Dome - NW Face Regular Route info sought
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:55:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.40596
Reply-To: hunter@duke.aqeng.cdc.com (jim hunter x2451)
Organization: Control Data

I am planning on climbing the Nortwest Face Regular Route on Half Dome 
sometime this fall, and I would welcome any advice on when would be the best 
time (weather-wise) to go. On my previous trips to the valley, I usually go 
shortly after Labor Day, but since Half Dome is 2000 feet higher than the 
valley floor, and is north-facing, I should probably go earlier in the fall in 
order to get warmer temperatures (more daylight is an added bonus!). One other 
factor is whether or not the spring can be expected to be running at that 
time. Any opinions? 

I would also welcome tips or suggestions about the route on any subject: (bivy 
sites, unusual pro requirements, offwidth or runout pitches, etc.). I have 
already been 4 pitches up the route before (we got rained off), so I know how 
to find it. As a midwestern climber, offwidth and chimney climbing is more 
challenging for me than they might be to a valley local, so I would be 
specially interested in hearing about those sections. 

I will have a party of two, we will be hauling, and we will probably try to
free pitches which are 5.10 or easier. We are planning on two bivies (pitch
11 and pitch 17). I have Meyer's topos and the old Roper guidebook too.

Thanks in advance,

Jim Hunter
(612)-482-2451
hunter@duke.aqeng.cdc.com
From: cconroy@radon.berkeley.edu (Cormac Conroy)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Smith Rock info sought
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:17:23 GMT
Reply-To: cconroy@radon.berkeley.edu (Cormac Conroy)
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL

I'm planning to visit a friend in Bend next week.  Since she works all day
I was thinking of getting to the crags...  Does anyone know what the
conditions/temperatures are?  Are there easy routes (5.10 and under)?
Is it easy to pitch up at the crag, mid/week and find partners?
Cheers,
Miguel
From: leaver@prg.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Leaver)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Acclimatisation (wsa Re: Europe bound => The Matterhorn)
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:23:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <1992Apr09.152932.19550@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <17139@sophia.inria.fr> luong@sophia.inria.fr writes:
>>
>>Do you think seriously there is any difference between 3900m and 4200m ?
>
>In terms of human difficulty, there is a bigger difference between 3900m
>and 4200m then there is between 2900m and 3200m.  The higher you go,
>that harder it is to go higher.
>
>That last thousand feet can make a big difference.

I don't think it's just that the higher you go, the harder it is to
go higher. I have found that the 4000m mark is for many people a point
below which they feel fine, but above which (when unacclimatised) they
feel bad. About 18 months ago a medical friend sent me an article from
the British Medical Journal on Acute Mountain Sickness (AMS), otherwise
known as altitude sickness. Research was done on climbers in the Alps,
and the result was a graph plotting the percentage of climbers showing
symptoms of AMS against altitude, i.e.:

         100|                .
    % of    |                .
 climbers   |               .
   with     |              .
    AMS     |            ..              N.B. I don't claim this is
            |        ....                completely accurate - it's
           0|........                    only from memory.
            L--------------------
                 ---Altitude--->
                        ^
                        |
                     12000ft

As you can see, it's roughly exponential, and the `knee' of the curve is
at about 12000ft. The conclusion of the research was therefore that
the 12000ft line _is_ significant - above it, many people suffer from AMS;
below it, most people do not. Of course, for acclimatised people the
graph's going to be different, but I can't remember that part. So I reckon
going above 4000m to acclimatise for the Matterhorn is a good idea. 

If there's any interest, I can dig the paper out and post a more accurate
summary.
 
>
>-Wayne Trzyna
> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU

Andrew
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Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:23:31 -0400 
From: "Morris F. Manolson" <mm6y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Climbing in Toronto?

I am moving to Toronto fairly soon. Does anybody know if there
is any climbing around the Toronto  area?  Any climbing-clubs? 
 Any and all information would be greatly appreciate! 
 Thanks in advance, Morrie
From: parilis@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Parilis)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: White Mountains climbing info ?
Keywords: info requested
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:24:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

BTW, we're going to want to do easy/medium stuff (up to 5.6, 5.7),
because the other guys are basically beginners.

- Gary
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 23:49:51 EDT
From: jim bowers <FQV@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Souix quartzite wanted (South Dakota)

There is this pink rock that comes from eastern south dakota and is used
for railroad balast and crushed stone in many places in the midwest.

The stuff makes good small Petrogrips.  For the larger sizes, good old
white tuscarora quartzite works fine.  However, because the tuscarora
has been subjected to some nasty tectonic forces it often has hairline
cracks so it's not strong enough to make Petrogrip Micros from.

This pink stuff works really nicely.  If you can get some, please send
me some.  If it's the right stuff we can discuss prices for me buying
a quanity from you.  I'm already buying rock from several folks all over
the country (what better way to make some extra money than picking it up
off the ground).

Jim Bowers
Petrogrips
108 E. Cherry Lane
State College PA, 16803
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: allen%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Climbing Rope Recommendations
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:24:44 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

ts24@prism.gatech.EDU (SHANDS,TIMOTHY G) writes:
>I would like to buy one rope which can 
>be used for both sports.  The rope I am considering is by PMI and is a static 
>rope with little stretch and pretty stiff.  I understand this rope is used 
>frequently in caving.  Is this also a good rope for top rope climbing?  Is it
>too stiff?  I do not intend to use it for lead climbing and, therefore, the 
>low stretch and the lack of fall ratings isn't too important.

If your only going to top rope with it no problem.  The rope will work for
both.

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah
From: AWaddington@acorn.co.uk (Andy Waddington)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: --- BAILING OFF --- (DONT LET ME DIE)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:20:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:

>
>  When leading, I've had a problem getting down sometimes.
>
> My local laws don't allow leaving anything on the rock overnight. We've
> been going around to the top of the rock, and rapelling down to clean off
> the biner, but there's got to be an easier way.  Any suggestions?
>
>-- Travis Carter

Good for your local laws. How come you're allowed to leave the bolt ?

Andy.
From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Re: Review of ATC from BD
Reply-To: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:13:50 GMT

** "Michael" == Michael Brodesky <brodesky@td2cad.intel.com> writes:


Michael> PS I heard that the new Jtree guide book will be out in June. The Red
Michael> Rocks guide is out. With the Red Rocks guide look at the maps with a
Michael> grain of salt. This artist did not do a good job for the map to the Mass
Michael> production wall. And the Big diagional that you see on the way to Mass
Michael> production wall, and Hall of fame is drawn the wrong way in the book.
Michael> Good luck with it. I had fun getting lost. 


Why is it that guidebooks seem to be getting so lame these days?
A friend of mine picked up a copy of the new Red rocks Guide.  After
seeing it I agree...the topos to the sport crags are pretty bad. 

If someone bothers to go to all the trouble to publish a new guide why
not do it right??

The guide to Queen Creek Canyon in AZ is similar.  I don't think the
author did a great job with the topos.  It gets you to the climbs
though and I guess that's what's important...


just my 2 cents worth..


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From: esenther@sparc59.hri.com (Alan Esenther)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: climbing in japan?
Keywords: japan
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:19:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigbird.6283
Reply-To: esenther@sparc59.hri.com (Alan Esenther)
Organization: Horizon Research

does anyone know what rock-climbing opportunities japan
has to offer?  does the sport even exist out there?
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: phil@oetl1.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Conditions on Rainier?
Organization: LMSC Santa Cruz, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 14:45:06 GMT

In article <0nyjztr@lynx.unm.edu> john@aquarius.unm.edu (John Prentice) writes:
      
>....  I would appreciate it if anyone could give me some info
>on what the conditions really are like and how the weather in general 
>has been.  ...

	John, call the Mt. Raineer  R.S. 206 569 2211 for "officials" below 
7K. Get RMI's number (I lost it) for "first hand" reports above 7K, all 
routes, any difficulty!!! gute gluck    Phil
From: gwynh@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Gwyn Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: used shoes wanted
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:33:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqjjaINN4vl
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

I'm looking for some used (within reason)
shoes to buy.  Our sizes are 8 1/2 - 9 womens
and approx. a 13 boys. 

Thanks.

Gwyn
From: c_s06253@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Yo.... gettin' crazy together!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:54:29 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

What do you think about getting a group of people together to do some trips
climbing and backpacking?  Perhaps a meeting place for a group af people with
similar interests and lots of good energy (i.e.-getting off on life).  Let me
know what you think...
              Lyle
Newsgroups: rec.climbing