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From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: what i did over xmas vacation, etc.\
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:24:24 GMT

In article <C1F6GI.2pp@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>
> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>well, man, singular, but who's counting...  B)
>
> I am. So, are you going to talk or what? Give some dish, girl. :)
>
> Who is this new person in your life, where did you meet him, and does
> your daughter like him?
>
well, i'll write up the whole story for all interested parties later,
but juts for those DYING of curiousity, his name is orny, i met him over
ten years ago at a wargaming convention, and he was my last highschool
boyfriend.  katy adores him... to death sometimes.  *grin*  she's a
littel budding Top already *sigh*

[damn!  clipped too much!]

> have grown accustomed to being `out there on the forefront', spreading
> a general touch of rebellion and mindfuck - `how dare..etc.' -, and now
> you find that that is gone when you are with him and that you are not
> automatically making a statement.
>
> We are seeing `in your face'-withdrawal here.
>
> Am I correct so far?

YES!!!!!

you put it so well!  i am so used to being The Lesbian, often the only
one people think they know.  *sigh*  small town life sucked, but it did
have a few good points.  i sure wasn't anonymous.  and now the staff at
Innovations In Leather give me dirty looks when i shop...  *sigh*  'in
your face'-withdrawal...  great term...

                                                -ailsa

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: an265@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Cures from Clinton
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:09:01 GMT


rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>>
>>Today's (1/22/93) New York Times reported on the 3,000
>>people who showed up at the White House yesterday to greet
>>the Clintons and Gores..
>>
>>    "Mr. President, I wanted to tell you I was so excited
>>    when I received my call," said Chris Henry, who like
>>    most of the visitors sent postcards to Washington and
>>    were notified last week that they would get tickets to
>>    meet Mr. Clinton.  "And I wanted to call my parents.
>>    But they aren't talking to me for the last 11 years
>>    because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>>    will change that."
>
>I'm missing something. Does she expect Clinton to call her parents and
>talk to them? Maybe invite her parents to a party without telling them
>that Ms. Henry would be coming as well, and force a confrontation? If
>not, how does she expect a different president to change her parents's
>minds?
>
>He's just a president, people. He's not Zeus.

My, aren't we a teensy bit literal-minded?  Other readers,
I imagine, were easily able to fill in the blank, as in "I
hope your Administration will [foster a climate of tolerance,
respect, inclusion, understanding, healing and celebration of
our glorious diversity in America so that one day we can]
change that."

()()()()()()()

Or other readers, I imagine, were easily able to fill in the blank, 
as in "I hope your Administration will [devote enough funds to 
investigate what causes homosexuality and find a cure for it so
that one day we can] change that." 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: Gay soda!  I'm so excited!
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas -- 214-436-3281
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:36:00 GMT

In article <C150x3.I2C@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
Tim responds to a comment about cola products with no coloring added as
a marketing gimmick:
 
  I have thus far refused even to try such a ridiculously obvious
  marketing gimmick.

To which Roger replies:

  Marketing gimmick?  A cola with one fewer unnecessary ingredient is A-OK in
  my book.

To which Tim reminds us:

  Granted, but I'll wager that most people are drinking it merely
  because they have some vague impression that it is less noxious
  because it looks like selzer.  Pepsi is marketing it because of the
  surge in popularity of bottled water and Clearly Canadian, and *that*
  is one of my peeves.

According to pre-market focus groups and then mall-intercept surveys after
the product rolled-out, you are right on target, Tim.  Apparently Pepsi
is enjoying the let's-make-it-a-clear-product-because-people-will-think-
it's-pure mindset.  

Dunno why _you_ would have a pet peeve at the logic of American buying
habits, though...  Some folx are virtually _begging_ for new things to eat,
drink, and play with...  Others wanna stick to the good-ole-stuff-back-ta-
basics mindset.  Now, both things can be done, if ya don't mind having
LOTS of options to choose from. Personally, I *hate* going to restaurants
where there are TOO MANY choices on the menu.  But I *like* the Crystal
Pepsi product's taste and freedom from caffiene.  

Go figger...  :)
 
-- 
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
From: ttoon@saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu (Thomas Toon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:45:08 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts
NNTP-Posting-Host: saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan20.191218.3261@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)  
writes:
>I also don't think MOTSS is a forum with the maturity or sensitivity
> to discuss a topic like this without personal recriminations.

I'm sorry you felt the personal recriminations.  Probably too many of us were  
silent who found your comments an unusually sensible and mature accessment of  
risks.  Actually I thought you demonstrated that MOTSS is such a forum and  
continue to look forward to your posts.

--
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1076 Frieze Building	313-764-0353
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:12:51 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1993Jan21.222526.3299@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Well, if it's ice cream flavored with coffee that one wants,
>by all means have it.  I like it too.
>
>But coffee is hot and contains neither cream nor sugar.
>Anything else is something else.

It *is* George!!
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Sometimes you wake up.  Sometimes the fall kills you.  And sometimes, when
you fall, you fly."                                                -- N. Gaiman
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Clinton is President, Bush is not even history
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:16:25 GMT


In article <llr1psINNg59@news.bbn.com>
rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:

>It's time to disarm the murderous citizenry and get rid of
>American neo-nazism:
>
>- urban drug gangs
>- the National Rifle Association
>- the Ku Klux Klan
>- survivalists
>- neo-Nazi groups from Aryan Nation to Unity Christians
>
>and to overwhelm ultra-conservatives, the political prelude
>to Nazism, and their TV evangelists, direct mail operations,
>think tanks, and antigay and sexist front organizations.

>Let's push them all into the political gutter!

They're there already.  You may have meant the ash-heap of
history!  :-)

I think there's a sign in your charge, however, that
indicates where liberal programs often err.  Not to start up
another round of our perpetual gun and Second Amendment
debates, but the gun issues are fundamentally different from
neo-Nazism, despite a high incidence of Nazis who are
members of the NRA, etc.

The CFV, OCA, and other acronymic filth are not using guns
to achieve their objectives.  Later they doubtless will, but
we better not let them get that far.

Be that as it may, a program of disarming the people is even
less likely to succeed than the War on Drugs, and as I'd
like actual and incipient fascism to cease being a force in
this society, I think it's a mistake to conflate one's
anti-gun sentiments with those worthwile objectives.

The answer to fascism is to push a better program.  What the
fascists have that we don't have is single-mindedness and
excellent organization.  Liberals by their nature are always
weak on organization.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (Michael D. Adams)
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
X-Header-1:    Bigotry is not a family value -- boycott Colorado, think twice
X-Header-2:    about Oregon, watch out for Ohio, Idaho, Michigan, Maine, and
X-Header-3:    Florida.
X-Header-5:    Beware lunatic actuaries in the night!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:56:04 GMT

ah505@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Quinby) writes:
>Maria (LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes:

>pedophilia "involves the desire for sexual gratification
>from another nonconsenting human being, ...

>Since when did "nonconsenting" or consenting enter the definition?

It is generally assumed that most children are unable to give informed
consent to sexual activity.

This would mean that most acts of pedophilia are also acts of rape.
--
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University of Illinois  | them from injustice?"	   -- Lillian Hellman
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Standard Disclaimers    | 	of ST:TNG, "Ship in a Bottle"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: MOTSS-oriented music?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:28:28 GMT

In article <74222@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Well, here's one off the top of my head: "Valerie," by
>Quarterflash.  Imagine my surprise to find a song about a woman's
>reaction to having another woman make a pass at her on what was
>"supposed" to be a very mainstream pop/rock album!

E owns a couple of CD's by a Spanish techno-pop band called Mecano.
One of these includes a song called "Mujer Contra Mujer," which is
very explicitly an anti-homophobia (specifically, anti-lesbophobia)
song.  I was astonished.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Tori Amos
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1993Jan9.140649.3312@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1993Jan12.180136.53346@watson.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:25:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan12.180136.53346@watson.ibm.com> baskin@watson.ibm.com writes:

   I saw her in concert.  Really wonderful, and very sexual.  But I did 
   get the impression that she was straight.  

I can't think of anyone more straight than Tori...  After seeing her
concert, I said to my friends, "She has a problem.  Here she is this
serious and intense songwriter, and she's *straight*!"
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Paging Mr. Dyer...Motss PIX question
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:38:24 GMT

In article <smith_bob_e-260193134140@130.252.150.115> smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Mod Bob) writes:
>I have two images of the dreaded *X* on my hard disk, ready to
>be uploaded to motss.
>Would you please contact me and tell me how to go about uploading
>a pair of GIF images from a Macintosh hooked to the InterNet via
>AppleTalk and a Mysterious Blue Ungerman-Bass Access One box?

If you can FTP anonymously to ursa-major.spdcc.com, you can place the files
in /pub/incoming.  I'll grab them, apply a few Photoshop filters (Gassian
Blur?) to improve things, and place them in the archive.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: storner@diku.dk (Henrik St|rner)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:35:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>ptb@meaddata.com (Patrick Bell) writes:

>>And I mean put it in your mouth!  None of this lick-around-the-balls
>>stuff.

>Honey, I may not be a pro, but I know what they like. Give em the full
>show.

Way to go, FJ!

Reminds me of the question I was asked every morning in a british hotel
the other week: "Will You have the continental or the full breakfast ?"

-- 
Henrik Storner (storner@olivetti.dk / storner@diku.dk)
Tech. Support
Olivetti Denmark
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:08:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.113921.17179@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
> In article <1jljjdINN8td@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
> >   BTW, not surprised to see that those UK'ers find it odd to drink cold
> >   coffee--they find it odd to drink ANY coffee.  I wouldn't call the
> >   muddy instant stuff they serve over there coffee.  Nearly KILLED me,
> >   ya tea swillin' Brits! ;-P
> >
> Ah, the true separation between our countries lies not in language, but
> in what we drink -- typical American attitude to tea that.

Well, as long as we're making pompous _ex cathedra_ statements about
matters of taste:-): I'm fond of both coffee and tea, at different
times for different purposes. However, the British treatment of tea is
very strange:

(1) take really good tea and brew it so strong that it
will put a permanent pucker in your tongue;

(2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
of cold milk;

(3) since it is now undrinkable for appalling taste, pour it into the
nearest rhododendron.

(Well, the Brits don't do that last part, but it seems like the only
reasonable course. Readers of Dorothy Sayers may substitute
"aspidistra" for "rhododendron" at will.)

ObMotss: See first clause.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: awootten@slacktide.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten)
Subject: Re: "No Wavering on Gay Soldiers"
Organization: nrao
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:09:42 GMT

The Washington Post had an article last weekend about Clinton friend
Bruce Lindsey (I think that was his name).  Very late in the campaign,
in Oregon, pols were telling Clinton he should not attack the anti-gay 
amendment.  After all the arguments had been spoken, Lindsey commented
`Why do you want to be president if you can't stand up for what you
believe?'  Clinton went ahead with his forthright denunciation of the
amendment.

As president, he should stand behind his beliefs as forthrightly as he did
as a candidate.

Al

--
 Alwyn  Wootten  






Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Initiatives Planned in Other States
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:26:27 GMT

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>_NEWSWEEK_ magazine has reported that anti-gay ballot initiatives are being
>>organised in 11 states, namely: 

>>MICHIGAN
>>IDAHO
>>OHIO
>>WASHINGTON
>>MONTANA 
>>MINNESOTA
>>CALIFORNIA
>>MAINE
>>GEORGIA.

>Um, that's nine Ron, counting Oregon it's 10.  What's the 11th?

*sigh* Actually, _NEWSWEEK_ said there were 11 other states besides Oregon. So
there are actually 12 in all. The other two are IOWA and MISSOURI.

-- 
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tunnel has been turned back on.''---The Management.
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barriers Remain, Out or Not
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:08:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan26.230806.1397
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1993Jan22.081138.29847@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>It's my impression that the situation has changed *much*
>less than you seem to claim here.  In the population at
>large, we are still hated by a large majority.  

I  suppose I have a different view of things because of where I live and
work.
I'm sure there are people around me who are personally troubled by my 
openness, but thats their problem. The social climate in my work place
is such that homophobia is much less socially acceptable than homosexuality.

There are people who still hate others because of their race or religion
too, this is hatred born of ignorance.
Quite frankly I cannot think of a *judgement* I could wish on them
that would be more unkind than to keep them in that state.


LUX ./. owen

-- 
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[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:09:39 GMT


In article <18356@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
Rowley) writes:

>Financial analysis shows that gay men have more disposable
>income than their strayt peers.

This is an often-repeated remark.  I've seen it used by
those opposed to us.  I've never seen the evidence used to
support the claim.  Anyone have a pointer to solid research?
(The _Advocate_ probably won't do.)

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:55:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.224724.16349@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:
>
>So what are we left with?  "Masculine?"  Please.  Who defines masculine,
>anyway?
>
>So what term would you suggest we use?

I use "Butch", or nothing at all....

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Audrey (and Katharine)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:29:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.002707.9304@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> 
rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro) writes:
> In article <1jr4iqINNdhv@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >Oh.  I just never think "great actress" and "Katharine Hepburn"
> >at the same time.  "Great movie star", yes, but not "great
> >actress".
>
> Probably because you never watched "Suddenly last summer" 

Au contraire!  Katharine Hepburn is as convincing
a Southern grande dame as I would be.  She's pretty
good in Summertime, now that I think of it.  The
rest of the time, though, it's all variations on
the one character she *can* play convincingly: herself.  

Arne
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: HELP: White House E-MAIL Address
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:54:28 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <93024.132716U52885@uicvm.uic.edu> U52885@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Does anyone out there know the E-MAIL address for the White House?

If you find Boy George's be sure to pass it around :)

I know, you were serious... I believe that Congress is currently
debating on whether or not to connect the Congressional e-mail system
through a gateway to the internet.  I would imagine that the white
house is in a similar situation.  The problem right now is that most
likely the people who sort through all of the mail for 1600
Pennsylanvia Ave., NW; Washington, DC 20500 probably aren't trained
for e-mail, and those that are couldn't handle the potential load
(remembering that gateways come in from popular places like Prodigy
Compu$erve, and fidonet).  Until then, the only email is via FAX at
202-456-2883.

But... if you happen to come across a backdoor into the mail system,
please share it.  I love writing to my officials, but I hate the cost
to our woodlands.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Gaston's Song: Correction
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:33:21 GMT

Of course, I stopped the tape after the song first "ended," and so
failed to get the last few verses.  Silly me.

     ...

     "LeFou, I'm afraid I've been thinking."
     A dangerous pastime!  "I know."
     "That wacky old coot is Belle's father,
      And his sanity's only so-so."

     "Now the wheels in my head have been turning
      Since I looked at that looney old man.
      See, I promised myself I'd be married to Belle
      And right now I'm evolving a plan!"

     No one plots like Gaston,
     Takes cheap shots like Gaston,
     Plans to persecute harmless crackpots like Gaston,
     So his marriage is soon and he's celebrating,
     My, what a guy, that Gaston!

-- 
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