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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:32:35 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: some more observations
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Robert Spathers writes:


>LVTN news --  I looked on Spacenet 3/22 this evening (Aug 11) and I
>didn't see the LVTN.  I did a little searching and still couldn't
>find them.  I wonder if they are gone for good.

While putting together this week's birdwatcher's report, Dean Spratt of WCCO
called me with this info.  We conferenced in LVTN at 3 in the morning and got
one of their engineers.  He said it was a technical problem, that they were
NOT gone, and the problem would be fixed soon.  I have to believe that one of
these days LVTN WILL be gone for good.  I do like the ITN news, but the rest
of the channel is not living up to anyone's expectations, and the signal is
just not cutting it either.  When LVTN went away last night, the biggest
benificiary was SATELLITE MARKET USA, boy did their signal improve when they
had the whole dual transponder to themselves.

>TV-ASAHI had CNN International programming ITC tonight.  I bet
>they will scramble up again soon with the LEITCH system.

Satellite/transponder?

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From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: sci-fi channel graphics change
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 09:08:25 EST
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
Reply-To: phil@phunt.MV.COM
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Hi,

I tuned in Sci-Fi yesterday G5/4 and their 'program' has changed to a more
realistic-type stuff.  Real pictures of real things interspersed with the
blue cloud (Coming for you...) messages.

I wish they would start showing some real programming as a preview!!!!

Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Re:      Sierra III vs. GI 2650R
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:25:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I have a GI 2720R, not as good as the 2750 but getting there. It 
has performed very well, but is only 7 months old so far. The
favorite audio and video is very handy.  The fine tuning works
well, and it also has a ti filter (terrestrial interference) which
helps me where I live.
 
Not sure what extra features are on the 2750, but the 2720 itself
is a real winner.  Good luck in your selection process.
From: bruce@neuro-dev.neuro (Bruce Kall)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: SCPC
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: bruce@neuro-dev.neuro
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus

Can someone please repost the directions on how
to receive SCPC with a TV band radio.


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From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: What is a IRD?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:53:47 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US (Gary Bourgois) writes:

> >I've been reading the HomeSat list for about a month now and am
> >still not sure what IRD stands for.  My guess is Integrated
> >Receiver / Descrambler.  Is this the meaning?
> 
> 
> Yes.  I added this to the FAQ recently, I don't know if it this was in the
> one posted on Aug 1, but will be in the Sept edition.
> 
> Sorry for the oversight...

It is not explicitly explained in the current copy of the FAQ you
mailed me for my mailserver, Gary.
From: JSTEPHEN@UGA.BITNET (John R. Stephens, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: sci-fi channel
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:57:19 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:53:39 -0400 <TIPPY@DAYTON> said:
>Recently I tuned in the new "Sci-Fi" channel that was mentioned on Homesat.
>
>With a few co-workers earnestly watching the transmissions, it was
>immediately dubbed:
>
>                The Timothy Leary Network
>
>
>Bill

When we tuned in they were showing the "moving blobs of color".  One of our
wags named it the "LAVA LAMP Network".

It is probably one of the most awaited networks on campus I have ever seen.
Luck would have it that our students will not be back until almost their
launch date.  If all the students were on campus today, we would be inundated
with calls for a schedule! (In fact I have had one request.)
Regards,        John
From: robe@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.g.egan)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: GI 2750 roms-Any new ones available?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:57:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <D2150040.b2e01z@phunt.MV.COM>, phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> My GI 2750r (No flames about GI please) has ROMs in it so it 'knows' where
> most channels are.  Then you modify them as they change.  Well, my ROMs are
> from 6/90, so the channels are hopelessly out of date, requiring me to update
> them, eating up memory against the 250 channel remember limit.
> 
> Anyone know if new roms are available so my IRD knows where more channels
> are by default?
> 
Call GI the ROM should cost around $10 - $20. They should be in sockets so
they can be removed without unsoldering them. You get a ESD wrist strap and
chip puller from Radio Shack and connect the wrist strap to the IRD chassis
then pop out the old chip. Plug in the new one and you're all set. I'm waiting
until these three satellites are up (scheduled between now and end of 92) 
before I get the update from Drake.
From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Oak Descrambler
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:10:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA



    Hello Sat World,


           I found a source for Oak cable descramblers. My question
is will this descrambler work for Oak scambled channels on satellite, 
maybe by hooking it up to the 70Mhz loop?

                                                  -Mike
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Mike Marfell                                      mgm@clipper.ingr.com
From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: VCII shutoff schedule announced
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 03:36:20 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

"Howard F. Speight Jr." <ACHS@ECUVM1.BITNET> writes:

> If I may ask a silly question? Does that include VCII+ ?  If yes, how
> do I get an upgrade? Thanks...

It most certainly does not include VC II Plus; in fact, they're
dropping VC II in favor of VC II Plus, so your'e in good
condition.

> BTW, I do have a legal VCII+ module with paid for programming...

Then you have nothing to worry about.  You've got the equipment
long before you needed it.
From: sytang@euclid.math.colostate.edu (Shoou-yu Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: How to find programs? (Q)
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:41:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins


 Hello:
 I'm very new to the satellite and only have a 3ft. KU system (very simple one).
 Currently I have found the K2 and watching some program on it. Is there other
 satellite that this system can reach? How to find the location of them and
 what program/TV stations on them?
 Thank you.
 Tang
 sytang@euclid.math.colostate.edu
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From: woo@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo RAA)
Subject: Total novice questions: Need FAQ
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:06:11 GMT


1.  Is there a FAQ for this list?

2.  I recently bought a house with a satellite dish and
finally tried it out.  It is a Houston Tracking System VI
and seems to be functioning.
	a.  Is there something equivalent to TV guide which
	has schedules for these channels?
	b.  What exactly is Video Cipher?  Often, I get blank
	screens with (VC Stereo) messages.  According to
	the scant information on this system, there are supposed
	to messages, passwords, text, etc.  I couldn't find
	any of that.  I assume that I need to buy an updated
	something to make this work, no?
	c.  At least in the Dayton area, it is possible to obtain
	a usenet feed over satellite.  How does this work?
	d.  I only seem to have a C-band cone.  Is there anything
	worthwhile on the Ku-bands.

Thanks for any enlightenment you might shed on this questions.

Alex Woo
woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov
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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Some more observations -- esp. NFL wild feeds
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:08:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


 
 Some more observations:
 
 NFL Backhauls from Aug 21-22 (all ITC unless otherwise noted):
 49ers/Chargers on TNT ITC on SBS6/8 and scrambled LEITCH on S3/20
 Saints/Oilers (CBS) scrambled VC-IB on SBS5/14
 Redskins/Raiders (LA Raiders TV Net) G6/12 (6.8 Spanish; 6.2 Eng)
                  (Washington Redskins Net) T3/22
 Patriots/Lions (Pats TV - WLVI) G6/21
                (Lions TV)  SBS6/12
 Colts/Bengals (Bengals TV) T1/5
               (Colts TV) SBS6/11
 Giants/Jets  Did Not Find
 Bucs/Dolphins (Couldn't tell which TV Net -- maybe Sunshine?) SBS6/9
 Broncos/Cowboys (Broncos TV -- KCNC) SBS6/8
 Packers/Rams (Packs TV) T1/23 and GSTAR1/15
 Cards/Seahawks (Cards TV -- KTVK) SBS6/7 and SBS6/15
 
 I saw a CNN Headline News feed on SBS/16 today.  Instead of
 program audio on 6.80, there are tones (tones which sound like
 the tones some networks use to activate an automated local
 commercial player).  My guess is that McDonalds is using this
 feed as another test of the McDonalds In-Store News Network and
 is planning on using the tones to insert their own commercials
 and short features into the news feed.  The McDonalds/CNN HN feed
 is still on SBS6/6.
 
 DelMarVa Horse Racing was on G6/23 tonight along with those neat
 scanner transmissions.  However, tonight was different.  On 6.8
 was that scanner, and on 6.2  was that WETT low power AM station
 (Orioles Baseball Network affiliate).  This is the first
 observation where I've heard both things going on two different
 audio subcarriers.
 
 I found my first ESPN backhaul on SBS4 tonight.  It was the
 Arenabowl '92 (the "Super Bowl" of Arena Football).  Based on
 this observation, you may want to include SBS-4 in your listing
 of places to try to find ESPN feeds.
 
 One last observation:  Shop at Home appears to be using Galaxy
 1/9 as a "replacement" for their feed on G5/10.  MOR MUSIC TV
 took that channel and SAH has been on G1/9 since then on a
 nightly basis.
 
 Robert
 
 roberts@triton.unm.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:23:02 -0400
From:         Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET>
Subject:      Coming Up on BBC WS

Next week on BBC World Service Radio (G3/24 5.4MHz narrow band audio)
is the original radio version of the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
- the one that spawned the books and the TV series and the famous friendly
phrase - "Don't Panic".  It starts on Wednesday with 2 repeats and runs
for 6 weeks.  I don't remember the times except for the last one which
is 6:30 AM EST.

It's all in 'London Calling' - is there any interest in a monthly highlight
summary?.

In November London Calling is going to go up market and switch to a more
glossy production with twice the number of pages at, of course twice the
price. It will include more features AND a schedule for BBC World Service TV.
Details were announced in the September issue which I just received.

Mike Gingell, Alcatel, Raleigh, NC USA  (919) 850-6444
UUCP:       ...!mcnc!aurgate!aurfs1!gingell
Internet:   gingell%aurfs1%aurgate@mcnc.org
Xref: sparky rec.video.satellite:4329 sci.electronics:14681
From: uclydvh@ucl.ac.uk (Mr David John Howells)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite,sci.electronics
Subject: Looking for device C20070C
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:13:03 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

I'm trying to repair a 12GHz LNB for which the local-oscillator and mixer
chip is broken.  The number on the lid is C20070C, it has 5 pins (a group of
3 and a group of 2) in a TO-5 (I think [about 5-6mm diameter]) can.

I'd be grateful if someone knows a supplier of this device and can mail me.
Thanks in advance,
David.
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D.Howells@ucl.ac.uk
From: alans@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (alan_stutz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:50:24 PDT
Subject: Sat. equip. For Sale
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite

I want to upgrade my system to an IRD so will be selling my current  
receiver and standalone VC 2100e descrambler.


         Chapparal Cheyenne receiver ( non IRD model )
         ir remote / on screen display
         $125.00 


         VC 2100E standalone descrambler 
         no remote / no module.
         $100.00

        All equipement is in good working order and will be
        sold as is.

 
        If interested call (503) 750-2414 or contact me
        via E-Mail.

                              Alan Stutz
                                 Corvallis, OR
From: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Matrix and Discrete Stereo
Date: 11 Aug 92 00:01:41 GMT
Reply-To: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Organization: The All Ter Nah Tive Un Der Groend
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4
X-Mailer: DigiQR 5.38b

Is matrix stereo used much anymore?  Or has discrete become the 'industry
standard'?

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From: flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US (Gary Bourgois)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: What LVTN says about their absence
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:01:26 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: NMail (1.1.0)
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Well.  Dean Spratt of WCCO called LVTN today, and he was told they are off
the air to allow "Installing the VCII+ equipment" so they can scramble their
pay services (Around the world after dark, and the Gaming Channel).

The engineer said it might take a few weeks.

a few WEEKS?!?!?!?!?!!

Give me a BREAK.  This sounds suspiciously similar to the "We are off the air
to install new audio equipment" story that BRIGHTSIDE has been giving for
months.

Right.

I wonder how many people bought the stock AFTER the five to one split?

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From: Sukhdip.Bal%nautical@r-node.gts.org (Sukhdip Bal)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:56:56 EDT
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Subject: SCPC Units
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Sukhdip.Bal%nautical@r-node.gts.org (Sukhdip Bal)
X-Posting-Software: UnixBBS 1.03 S/N 120921

Hi all, I recently tried the TV band Radio method of receiving SCPC,
but unfortunately I forgot that my friend didn't have a 70 Mhz loop,
can anyone tell me how I can obtain the Heil-SC unit??  What is the
price on this receiver??  Is it the least expensive alternative (I am
looking for an inexpensive unit that does a decent job)???  
A couple of other question; could anyone tell me where they were able
to pick up the backhauls from the Seahawks - Colts game, the Tampa Bay
- Atlanta game and the Chicago-Phoenix game(s) from Saturday August 15,
I was able to pick up the other games that night, but could not locate
these ones on C-Band....
-What has happened to the SCI-FI channel???
Any info and comments on these questions would be appreciated, thanks..
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From: dlb@sunloaf.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: VCII's
Reply-To: dlb@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:23:46 GMT

In article <713657168.F00005@blkcat.UUCP>, James.VanHouten@f544.n109.z1.fidonet.org (James VanHouten) writes:
|> If you sent me mail about the two VCII's please give me a day or so to replay
|> this site got bombed with E-Mail.  Thanks
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		 Is this a new form of electronic warfare?
		 Quick!!!  Run for cover!!

|> --Jim

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: harry@cs.tu-berlin.de (Harald Brinkmann)
Subject: Re:     Re: some more observations
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:19:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.072547.4836@julian.uwo.ca> mann@csd.uwo.ca (Robert Mann) writes:

> I wondered why their signal got so good.
> Could someone explain this dual transponder thing to me?  The guy on SMU
> mentioned something about it the other day but I didn't understand.  Are
> two transponders sharing common electronics or something?  Thanks.
> 
> Rob
> 
This thing is actually called half transponder operation. The
repeaters on the satellite simply retransmit everything they get on
the associated receive antenna with any change, except for the
frequency. Say the uplink is transmitting at 5945 MHz the satellite
will relay this signal at 3720 GHz. If the uplink is on 5940 MHz the
satellite will transmit on 3715 MHz and so forth. Transponders have
a certain bandwidth, mostly around 36 MHz. So the above though
experiment will work for 18 MHz either side of the center frequency.
If you want to transmit full quality video signals in FM you will need
about 36 MHz of bandwidth which is conveniently the width of one
transponder. However for high speed data you need more bandwidth,
somtimes more than 200 MHz. If the satellite operator can't find a
customer for that they may rent it for TV use. However with that much
bandwidth you can put several TV signals onto this transponder. If the
uplink signals don't interfere with each other the downlinked signals
won't either, that is their frequencies have to be far enough apart.
The drawback of this method is that the power has to be split between
the signals also. Additionally the power is reduced even further
beyond the theoretical minimum to avoid distortion in the satellite
circuits which create mutual interference. That is why half
transponder usually produces so weak signals. 

By the way in Europe on PanAmSat if you tune into the NHK Tokyo feed,
if the signal is strong, they have the transponder to themselves.
However at various times of the day occasional video transmission
(US.Network news, BBC feeds) run on the other half. Tuning into NHK
the signal strength suddenly drops sharply indicating that soemthing
goes on.

By the way the power split does not have to be equal. That can be seen
in Europe on the EBU New York / Brightstar Washington transponder and
also on the mentioned NHK / OV feed where the latter are much stronger.

  Harald
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Jim Bass' sat deal
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:03:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Does anyone know of his business hours? Also, is he still selling
the satellite starter system for $499? Thanks.

-Dave
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Securing the Ku Dish (was >>$265 Ku-band System<<)
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:15:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug21.081214.8762@medtron.medtronic.com>, sh0002@porsche
(Scott Hou) writes:

> Just don't let your neighbor's kids kick the dish around if it is sitting on
> the ground.

This brings up a couple of important points about this inexpensive Ku
system.

It *is* very portable.  You can easily move it around the yard and/or store
it inside your house when not in use.  You can take it with you if you have
a station wagon/hatch back/big-trunk without having to tear the dish down.

BUT --  it also means that if you are going to keep the dish on the ground
you may have problems with someone wanting to walk off with the dish!  Or,
as Scott notes, the neighbor kids may damage the dish during their touch
football sessions.

I have placed my dish behind my chain link fence in my yard.  At first my
friends who got me into this satellite stuff thought that the fence would
block the "rf" coming from the satellites.  After all, many dishes are wire
mesh, so it made sense to be cautious.  I focused the dish on Anik-E2 in
front of the fence and behind the fence and could see no difference.
Perhaps the mesh is big enough to let the "rf" though in the Ku band or
perhaps Anik-E2 is just strong enough that it doesn't make a difference.
In any case, it works for me and keeps the dish safe from accidental injury.

To "solve" the walk away problem, I went to the hardware store and got 10
ft of chain and a master lock that was of the same gauge as the bolt that
serves as the hinge between the dish and the ring mount.  I chain the dish
to one of the cemented-in posts of my chain link fence and lock them
together, using the lock as one of the hinges.

Another problem that the chain helps to solve is the "fly away" nature of
a small dish.  In a wind-storm, these dishes can become airborne.  I have
supplemented the chain with 3 tent stakes (bright orange plastic stakes
available at any sporting-goods store).  Not only do these stakes hold the
ringmount to the ground, but I've been able to mark, in pencil, where these
pegs are in relation to the ring mount.  When I take the dish to another
part of the yard, it's easy to set it back up for Anik-E2 later.  I just
place the ring-mount back into position and I'm on Anik-E2 again!
Of course, fine tuning of the dish is still needed for a perfect picture,
but it's much easier finding the bird this way!

I also have a heavy patio-stone on top of the ring mount to give it
stability in a storm, but I'm not sure this is really needed.  It never
hurts, though.

Terry
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