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From: peter@icad.com (Peter Masters)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Being made...
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:32:05 GMT
Organization: ICAD Inc., Cambridge, MA


Funny to see this group pop up . . . I just finished reading a book,
"In Search of Dracula", which I found at a used bookstore, and which
purports to tell the definitive story of Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula.

Its authors claim that it is or was a common belief among Romanian
Orthodox believers that the body of an apostate, suicide, or anyone
excommunicated by the church, would be rejected by the earth, and
would remain "undead" unless it were dealt with the usual burning or
stake through the heart.  So Dracula, who converted to Catholicism in
order to be freed from Hungarian prison and regain his throne, would
qualify.  Not all undead would become vampires, but then he had a head
start. 

Interesting book.  Includes translations of C15 German pamphlets on
Dracula, as well as collected stories from Romanian peasants.  It was
published by the New York Graphic Society in the early '70s.  I'll try
and remember to bring in the rest of the publishing info tomorrow.

Peter
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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Being made...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:14:09 GMT

In article <8052@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>>grabbed her by the neck and screamed in pain.  She was wearing a Star
>>of David necklace, which burned his hand.
>>
>>So my question then becomes, what does an atheist or an agnostic do?
>>In my case, nothing, since it's sort of a fantasy of mine, but for those
>>who have no interest in vampirism, what would they do?
>>
>Oh thats easy!!!!! Being an Atheist, I'd grab a gun! I have faith in
>Smith and Wesson! =)

But lead has no effect on a vampire.  Wood does.  Is it possible to shoot 
a pencil or wooden dowel from a handgun?  Any reloading data would be 
appreciated.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
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From: summers%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jim Summers)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Organization: U of Utah
Distribution: alt
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:34:00


Perhaps the best Vampire movie I have seen is _Pale_Blood_.
It follows the newer "vampire as hero/protaganist" theme, as opposed
to the "vampire as anti-hero" or "vampire as villian" theme. 

The entire movie really has a nice flow (NPI).  The day scenes are all
blaring radios and chaotic news flashes, only at night does the "real"
action take place.  The only problem with the movie is that few video
stores carry it.

LostBoy  
jim

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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:22:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.045325.20351@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does
>>>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>>>>I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading
>>>>somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
>>>>details.
>>>
>
>Having just done some research for a paper on vampires in literature,
>I remember another interesting way:  if a man's wife died an untimely
>death, she returned as a vampire to claim her spouse (close to the
>incubus/succubus thing).  Don't know if this worked the other way
>around (husband coming back for wife).
>
>Michael


I came across this once, too.  And you're right, the line between succubi and
vampire is rather blurred in this one.

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From: mouser@cs.umd.edu (David Eccleston)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Near Dark (Was _Rockula_, Yarbro...)
Keywords: Gratuitous violence, blood sucking.
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:22:18 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

>> A question for anyone who thought _Near Dark_ was a great movie: How would
>> you describe the amount of violence in this film? I love vampire stories,
>> but gratuitous violence and fake blood just doesn't agree with me. A comparison
>> to _The Lost Boys_ (*without* giving away any major plot points, please)
>> would be helpful.

  I thought Near Dark was a great film, and yes the violence was gratuitous.
One of the major things I liked about it (in addition to the copious quantities
of fake blook) was the way they portrayed the life of a modern day vampire,
which I thought had a few interesting twists I had never seen done before.
For example, they paint the windows of their van black so they aren't burned
by the sun.  The film also has some really good direction.  Some of the uses
of light and sound (especially when the sun comes up) is really good.  Like
Lost Boys, the plot centers around a character who has unwittingly become a 
vampire, and wishes to become human again.  I liked Lost Boys better (it had
a bigger budget and a cooler sound track) but Near Dark is a darn good movie.
Also, Lost Boys was more tongue-in-cheek than Near Dark, LB had a lot more
jokes.

   My personal favorite Vampire movie was _the Hunger_.  Are those cross-cuts
to the monkeys cool, or what?

David
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From: 900667c@ace.acadiau.ca (GERALD RICHARD CAMERON)
Subject: I missed the vampire fiction list
Keywords: vampire fiction list
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:16:26 GMT

As my subject line states, I didn't subscribe to this group until after the 
fiction list had cycled out (posts don't last to long on this server), so I 
was wondering if some kind soul would e-mail it to me.

Please get ahold of me first, though, because I don't want my mailbox 
flooded with fifteen copies of the thing :)

Thankyou one and all.
From: megazone@penny.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Being made...
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:08:34 GMT
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In article <1992Sep13.231409.2401@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>But lead has no effect on a vampire.  Wood does.  Is it possible to shoot 
>a pencil or wooden dowel from a handgun?  Any reloading data would be 
>appreciated.

Use a bow or a crossbow. BTW, an airgun will fire wood no problem.

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: "Dracula's Guest"
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:40:27 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

Have any of you read this Stoker short story?  I believe it was originally
supposed to be a chapter of _Dracula_, but was removed, and later published
posthumously by Stoker's wife.

It's a great story, and invoves Jonathan Harker and a female vampire that 
transforms into a giant wolf.

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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Being made...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:46:07 GMT

In article <BuJzGD.7KM@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.231409.2401@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>In article <8052@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>>>>So my question then becomes, what does an atheist or an agnostic do?
>>>>In my case, nothing, since it's sort of a fantasy of mine, but for those
>>>>who have no interest in vampirism, what would they do?
>>>>
>>>Oh thats easy!!!!! Being an Atheist, I'd grab a gun! I have faith in
>>>Smith and Wesson! =)
>>
>>But lead has no effect on a vampire.  Wood does.  Is it possible to shoot 
>>a pencil or wooden dowel from a handgun?  Any reloading data would be 
>>appreciated.
>
>   It can be done but one shot per load and the reload time is atrocious.
>My best bet, as an atheist confronted with a vampire, would be with an
>automatic crossbow with ~20 quarrel clip and a cranking system for fastish
>reload. The chinese used to use them in wars BTW. (without the cranking I
>think.) Naturally the quarrels would be totally wooden bar the feathers...

Wow, just the thing to slide under my pillow or slip into the pocket of my
bathrobe.  8^)

If a handgun is usable, a pair of double-barreled derringers would give
4 shots.  That should be enough to take out or scare off one vampire in a
bedroom.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
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From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: New Anne Rice???
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:50:05 GMT


	I think that I read something the other day about a new Anne Rice
novel featuring Lestat...  Anyone know any more about this??  Meanwhile, I'll
try to dig up the article.
                                        crystal
From: mancinis@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (steven mancini)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:26:59 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep4.233139.22738@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>Yah, keep 'em coming.  Getting a good list.  I will post the final list after
>a couple weeks.  
>
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Andy Warhol's "Dracula"...

There was this one flick from the 70's of a Guru at a commune who turns
out to be a vampire. Can't remember the name.

Don't forget the sequel- Fright Night Pt. II

There was also one of those Chinese-Fighting flick with a vampire villian
as the major theme.

That's all I can remember for now...

							Steve


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From: bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: innocent blood
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:38:12 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep4.134257.11755@ctr.columbia.edu> lilorenzin@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
>nothing so much like a vampyre as a human being.
Yep.  Vampyres are like humans, with a severe amplification of the drive to 
hunt, to kill, and to feel.

Have you ever noticed the one thing all true predators have in common?

Their eyes face forward.

Now go look in a mirror....

>...flame
>
>for the blood is the life

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From: jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Josh Knapton)
Subject: excellent book!
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 19:59:16 GMT

A great book is 'I, Vampire'.... I forget the author, but this book was so 
excellent! It is about this guy who joins legions with the 'good' vampyres,
including Wolfgang Mozart, Rasputin the Mad Monk, and others! It was just so
believable, too. I truly like to dream that Rasputin was a vampyre. No, scratch
that. He WAS a vampyre. They fought against the evil vampyres Cesare Borgia
and Prince Albert Victor (AKA Jack the Ripper).. it was pretty cool. The
good guys could handle sunlight and stuff, andI did not really notice any
excessive use of vampyre stereotypes.


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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:40:16 GMT

In <1992Sep6.050545.24107@cs.mcgill.ca> zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS) writes:

>	I recently finished reading the "Vampire chronicles" by Anne
>	Rice and was severly impressed! Does anyone have the name of
>	anyother good vampire series?


I can't recommend any series, but I can recommend some excellent singles:

	The Hunger			Whitley Strieber
	Bloodshift			Garfield Reeves-Stevens
	The Delicate Dependency		(I can't remember the author)

Coincidentally, Garfield Reeves-Stevens is a relative of mine.  I highly
recommend his book, especially if you're a fan of alternative vampire
lore.
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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: DELETE TEXT PLEASE!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:15:54 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Please delete unessessary text and save all of us time reading stuff over 
and over..If you are having problems doing this, leave a note to your 
local sysop and ask them how to do it!!!Life is so much nicer when you 
don't have to quote all the text when replying/following a message.!

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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Nosferatu: The Vampyre?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:41:00 GMT

	Anyone know how to get a hold of the remake of Nosferatu - 
Nosferatu: The Vampyre?  It has Klaus Kinski in it.  I believe that it is
not yet available on videotape, but it is worth a shot.  
	Anyone seen it?  How is it?  Does it follow Stoker's novel any
closer then the first?  Or does it stick to the original movie closer?  I
heard that it emphazises more on the plague from the first one.

	Any help would be appreciated.
	Casey

hopkins@agora.rain.com

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From: zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS)
Subject: Re: Sting as Lestaty
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:53:56 GMT

In article <2g74qB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>Anyone who has doubts on Sting's ability to perfectly play Lestat should 
>see "The Bride"..He is infinately evil,handsome, compelling, etc..But I 
>must say I would prefer Julian Sands..but I don't think he'll want to do 
>antother vampire movie..
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Well how come no one has mentioned Will Weaton, Joe Pesci or M.J. Fox?

Just kiding guys... No flames....

I love Rutger Hauer but I don't think he makes a good vampire... I
didn't like him in Buffy... Isn't Sting a bit small? I pictured Lestat
at being of a medium to a large build and rather tall... I never though
of Lestat as compelling... Menacing yes, compelling no... 

zippy@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca


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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: 1936 movie Dracula
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:20:21 GMT

it should have been released on the 6th by mca/universal

and it's 1931, not 6....


ieya

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:01:33 -0400 
From: Chiara Noelle Sposato <cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rice's "Tales of the Body Theif"

This month's Playboy has a approx. 4 page excerpt of "Tales..." which i
have just read(it doesnt list this on the cover but its there) .  it was
worth my $5 to read it but now i can hardly wait for     the book to
come out!! it also has a beautiful illustration to go with it done by
Mel Odom(or is that Olson? i forgot--i dont have the mag. with me)

chiara
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Vampyre movie list
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:56:57 GMT


Well, it looks like my attempt to create a home-made list of movies, while
nominally successful, looks like a redundancy after the one just posted.
I'll still compare, however, and see if there's any not in that latest list.
Thanks to all who helped make my list.  :)

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From: umage@mcl.ucsb.edu (androgyny)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:00:17 GMT
Distribution: alt

>Also there is a chinese vampire which is an energy
>vampire and also incorperal.
 
	
	.. Just find an energy wooden stake !

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From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: (poem) Creature Of The Night...
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:43:25 GMT




	A little poem I wrote... 


	Creature of the night...

	Wretched Sun I beseech thee,
	Bathe not my naked, pink flesh.
	Warmed by liquid rays, a golden sea,
	Withered folds, tender, red, fall from me.


			msj
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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:06:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.191436.20221@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders) writes:
> (Deleted)
>
>Fred Saberhagen's Books are "Vlad",  "Tepes", "A Friend of the Family"
>and a couple of others I can't remember....quite good stuff.

Thanks.  I hadn't heard about _Vlad_ and _Tepes_, though I've read
the others -- _The Dracula Tapes_, _The Holmes-Dracula File_, and 
_Thorn_.  IMHO, Tapes and File are the best, followed by _An Old Friend
of the Family_ (correct title).
>
>tHEre's is also another series of rather light, but fun vampire books, 
>I can't remember who wrote them, but they all have "Blood" in the titles.

Don't know about those, but a number of years ago Robert Lory wrote a whole
series about Dracula being revived by a sort of vigilante who compelled
D to help hunt down criminals.  Sorry, I can't remember titles.  They 
were fun to start with, but got a little old.

Jack Chalker wrote _And the Devil Will Drag You Under_.  In one section
one of the main characters becomes a vampire.  In that particular
dimension, if you came near death and a large number (several thousand would
do it) of people hoped you'd die and an equally large number hoped you'd live, 
you'd often become an undead.  IMHO, this is one of Chalker's best novels.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Keywords: good or evil?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:42:16 GMT

In <1992Sep05.061954.5977@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:

>Brian /-|-\

>P.S.  Of all the anti-vampire devices, the wooden stake 
>      through the heart is the best.  Works on all of them.

Not.  In some vampire mythologies a silver dagger must be used.  In some
Greek myths the vampire is swolen, as if inflated.  To kill it, it must
be deflated.  Some vampires have to be put in bottles.  Others must
be burned.  The wooden stake is by no means universal.

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From: kat@emilio.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: PERFECT INTERVIEW CAST
Date: 16 Sep 1992 01:22:18 GMT
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In article <xb9yx-+@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>	LESTAT:  JULIAN SANDS OR THAT BLONDE GUY FROM TREMORS

Never saw it, so I can't make a comment...
However, a friend of mine said that Sting is being considered for the role.  I 
don't think he'd be a good Lestat.

>	LEWIS:   CHRISTIAN SLATER, JOHNNY DEPP
>
Ummm... The character's name is Louis.  About the actor choice.  Interview is
not a teeny-bopper kind of book and I seriously doubt that the movie is going
to be one either.  Can you hear Slater's voice saying Louis's lines?  He 
doesn't have a "romantic" voice. (For lack of a better word)  However, Sting
may be a good choice for Louis.. Dunno, just know that he'd wouldn't do Lestat
justice.

>	CLAUDIA: THE GIRL WHO PLAYED WEDNESDAY IN THE ADDAMS FAMILY MOVIE

Again... wouldn't know. Never saw it and I have NO idea who would make a good
Claudia.

kat
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