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From: friedenb@sapphire.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: DAYENU in Yiddish Pig-latin (seriously)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University




My family has a minhag (custom) to sing Dayenu in Yiddish pig-latin.  This may sound like
I'm joking.  I'm not!!!

None of my relatives remember _not_ doing this at the end of the Seder, so we are 
under the impression that it came with our family from Poland/Russia in the early 1900s.

A Detroit Rabbi was consulted a few years ago, and he recited Dayenu in Yiddush.
According to my cousin (who I presume knows pig-latin), our version of Dayenu is actually
Dayenu in Yiddish pig-latin.  

The chorus goes like this:

Ha'ad, eloy-ku, eloy-ku, mor iddish my oh vey are oooh, mor iddish my oh vey are ooh.



If anyone has heard of a similar minhag, or can verify that this is Yiddish 
pig-latin, please email to the below address.


Thanks,

Gedaliah

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:35:44 -0400 
From: Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
	<15892@bunny.GTE.COM>

Yechezkal Gutfreund writes:

>Background: Given the location of milk production (a Barn) where grain
>products are common there is a distinct worry about mixtures occuring.
> 
>Answer: Adults avoid milk products altogether as a Chumrah, but there
>is nothing wrong with giving children (who tend to be more dependent
>on milk products) properly supervised Cholov Yisroel kosher l'Pesach
>milk.
> 
>Chumras: Take kitnios for example: Askenazim do not eat them because
>chumetzdik grains might get mixed in with them. But don't think
>the life of Sephardim is any great picnic. The frum ones I know
>inspect each grain of rice to make sure it is rice and not something
>else. 


This claim is just as absurd.  I've spent many hours supervising milking
(for Chalav Yisrael)  and milking does not take place in a farm.  It
takes place in a clean milking room that runs with the efficiency of a
production line:  Tens of  cows are set in place (never a pig within
miles), iodine is placed on the nipples, suction cups are attached, and
the pumping begins.  Cows are then moved out to the barn and the milk
moves into storage tanks - never touched by human hands or in any way
exposed to potential impurities.

I can't get over the fact that there is still the impression that
milking takes place the way it might have in 19th century Europe: 
Farmer Joe walks out to a hay-strewn barn to hand milk a cow or two into
a bucket (where countless contaminants fall)  while pigs squeel nearby. 
And because of this impression people pay a gross premium on dairy
products and some avoid them altogether during Pesah.
From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Cat Food Again: Urgent
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:23:15 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California

In article <15892@bunny.GTE.COM> sgutfreund@gte.com writes:

>Background: Given the location of milk production (a Barn) where grain
>products are common there is a distinct worry about mixtures occuring.
>
>Chumras: Take kitnios for example: Askenazim do not eat them because
>chumetzdik grains might get mixed in with them. But don't think
>the life of Sephardim is any great picnic. The frum ones I know
>inspect each grain of rice to make sure it is rice and not something
>else. 
>
>Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund

I have a couple of questions.  Are grains allowed to be stored and fed
to animals during Pesah?  And is corn and rice included in this?  I have
a corn/rice based catfood, and don't want to change my cats diet during
Pesach.  Might there be any allowance for this?

Also, can someone post or email the name of a kosher for pesach 
dry catfood?

I'm leaving for Israel for the Hag and need to settle this issue quickly.
Thanks for any info you can provide.

-- Chris Metcalfe
From: sg04@ploni.gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: sgutfreund@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

In article <3460@moscom.UUCP>, de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan) writes:
|> There was a local ba'al tshuva who trusted nothing on Pesach.  He ate only
|> Queen Esther chicken, shmurah matza (and only hand shmurah at that) and 
|> fresh fruit and vegetables.  He has moderated some over the years, but has
|> not improved much.  BTW, he did not trust Empire for Pesach. 


BTW: Chabad Minhag is:

No Processed Foods whatsoever
No Milchigs (except for children)
No Gebrochs (no matzoh meal, or derivitives)
Only peelable fruits & vegatables
Eggs
Meat & Chicken

Make your own fat (render the chicken fat to shmaltz)
Make you own liquid sugar
Very few spices (uterly trustworthy).

Actually, I have come to like this diet. There is really a clear
demarcation between Pesach and the rest of the year. I like
the idea of no processed foods and making everything from scratch.

There is something also to the TASTE of the food. I like the
simple basic taste that comes from from the taste of the plain
food, unenhanced. For some reason it feels very purifying, but
maybe this is just the effect of the shmalz and meat on my
GI system :-).


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From: SCHILD%GAIA@leia.polaroid.com
Subject: Origins of Matrilinear Descent (Flamefest)
Reply-To: <SCHILD%GAIA@leia.polaroid.com>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:50:59 GMT


I may have missed it but a valid question to start an answer would be
Why does Torah say only children of a Jewish Mother are Jewish (references
please) ?

HGS
From: de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:25:46 GMT
Reply-To: de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <9204052258.AA03601@relay2.UU.NET> br042@cleveland.freenet.edu writes:
>Toothpaste - PG (Crest & Gleem) Aim Aquafresh Close up Colgate Pearl Drops
>Pepsodent all have No Chometz.

First of all, thank you for the list.  Each list I see has one or two different
products on it that a kosher for Pesach.  

However, I should note that Kashrus magazine refuses to endorse *any* 
toothpaste.  They say that sorbitol, used in toothpaste, can be chometz,
and that chometz'dke sorbitol is available in the US, and we can't be 
sure that this is not used in the toothpaste.

This is, of course, just above an ad for ADWE toothpaste, which ADWE says
is kosher for pesach.

Your mileage may vary.  Consult your Local Rabbi.

There was a local ba'al tshuva who trusted nothing on Pesach.  He ate only
Queen Esther chicken, shmurah matza (and only hand shmurah at that) and 
fresh fruit and vegetables.  He has moderated some over the years, but has
not improved much.  BTW, he did not trust Empire for Pesach. 

There are days when I begin to think that he was not so crazy.  

Have a kosher and happy Pesach.

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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Rabbenu Gershom
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:15:33 GMT

The Edicts of Rabbenu Gershom were issued with a duration of 1000 years.  It
seems to me that 1000 years are about up.  Considering that the edicts were
issued with changing customs in mind, is there any serious opinion to the effect
that they ought to be revised?

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From: isaac@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Isaac Balbin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Equality (again)
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:17:45 GMT
Organization: RMIT Department of Computer Science

MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

>When will  Balbin learn to read?  I claim that there  is inequality in
>Halakha and give an  example.  

Sorry, this is where you go wrong. You can't claim there is inequality in
Halacha if you come from a halachik stand point unless you define
equality and inequality from the *halachik* stand point. 
Which stand point are you coming from? 
I would venture to say *your* understanding of what is equal and
what is unequal. Fine. Yes, you can say that using your definitions
things are unequal. My point is (and was) that SO WHAT! Which end
are you coming from? You never prove anything with moral reletavism!

>OK you come wherever you come  from and start from wherever you start,
>and  I am  trying to  point out  what this  kind of  frozen and  rigid
>attitude leads  to.  

Ahh Shimshoni, don't dare call me rigid if I conform to Halacha.

I am a scientist and am proud and perfectly confortable conforming
to a system that I believe in.

This is such a silly and superficial cliche ... *you* end up supercilious.
--
From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: chumras on Pesach; a correction to my posting
Keywords: chumras, gebrohkt, Blumenkrantz
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:45:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr15.144559.26501
Organization: AT&T

In a recent posting, I stated:

>In his guide for Passover, I think Rabbi Avraham Blumenkrantz (sp?) cautions
>with regard to 'gebrohkts' (sp?) that one should not be excessively 'machmir',

While Rabbi Blumenkrantz does state this in his book, the location
of statement is on the bottom of page 2-5 (the 2nd of the two Hebrew
paragraphs.) The text deals with the custom not to eat Pesach Matzoh
before Pesach and not with the issue of gebrohkts.

I apologize to anyone who may have spent a lot of time looking for
the reference or was given the wrong impression by my earlier post.

Have a Chag Kosher Ve'Sameach!
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@usl.com
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Pesach Dairy Stuff
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:37:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: appserv.kuoqfhINN2t6
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 23684@cbfsb.cb.att.com, hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:

>
>Many people (who don't necessarily keep cholov yisroel) will
>therefore buy all of their milk before Pesach and keep it in the
>refrigerator.  This serves the same purpose as buying kosher
>lePesach milk during Chol Hamoed.
>
>Note also, the minhag to buy all your eggs before Pesach as well.
>

Does this apply to butter too?  Were all those years when the kosher butcher 
ran out of kosher l'Pesach butter and I did without in vain?


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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Abraham
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:26:34 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <1992Apr16.144433.7848@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>>Syria's policy is simply indefensible.
>
>Leon
>
>I agree that the Syrian Jews and the Palestinian problem are two seperate
>issues. I also agree that it is wrong to hold anybody against his/her will.
>But there is also a conflict between Syria and Israel and I think that although
>the Syrian government position is immoral, the Israeli government has its 
>share of immoral acts.

Yes, but the Syrian Jews are citizens of Syria, not of Israel.  And they
are not agents of the Israeli government.  So the actions of Israel are
irrelevent when concerning the policy of the Syrian government to its
own citizens.  If Syria was holding Israeli prisoners of war, then
then the relation between Israel and Syria would be different.   

>Although peace still seem far away, but who knows, if it is accomplished,
>I don't see any reason for the Syrian government to keep holding the Syrian
>Jews. 
And I don't see any legitimate or morally defensible reason for the
Syrian government to hold them NOW.

>I envision that when peace is accomplished, neither the Syrian Jews will leave
>Syria, nor many Palestinians want to leave the countries they currently reside
>in. It is only a psychological feeling right now.
Many want to leave now.  And if there was peace, maybe those outside of
Syria would like to visit their families, or go and see where they are from.
And maybe Israeli tourists could go to Syria, the way they go to Egypt
now.

But most would leave now if given the chance.

>Nabil

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
From: d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Question to Miracle Analysts
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:47:10 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden


	Actually, Arafat wasn't the only to survive.
	Does this change anything?

	Monika
From: sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Keywords: Marshmallows
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:12:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32381
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC

pigeon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stuart Schulman) writes:
#
#"Sweet Shop" Marshmallows, from Kidd and Co., Ligonier, Indiana.
#
#Here is the ingredient list:  ***Corn Syrup***, sugar, water, ***corn starch**,
#Kosher Beef Gelatin, artificial flavoring.
#
#Aiyee!  Not only does it have Corn Syrup, but the beef gelatin MAY (depending
#on your personal interpretation of whether gelatin becomes a new substance)
#be unfit for topping hot cocoa after pesach!

I thought that beef gelatin was made from bone marrow, and therefore not
kosher, period.  Am I wrong?

Brian Sutin				sutin@helios.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
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    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:18:39 GMT

Speaking of K l'P Hechshers.... My wife noticed in the store yesterday some of
the special coconut covered K l'P marshmallows. Since we normally pick up
stuff like that for me (since it has no corn syrup), she picked up a bag.
Reading the ingredients -- what did we find -- corn syrup. The plastic bag was
special for passover, there was no and/or in the list, and the rabbi's name
was germanic (so it was unlikely the sephardic allowance for kitniot was
coming into play).

I can hunt down more details if necessary. We did alert the store, and will
alert Kashrus magazine.

[See, there are Reform Jews that are aware of the Kashrus laws. We even
subscribe to Kashrus.]

Daniel
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From: haber@shark.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Yaacov Haber)
Subject: Re: Metzora: Musings on Mashiach (R. Riskin)
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 12:18:58 GMT

In article <4306@datum.nyo.dec.com> jem@datum.nyo.dec.com (Jem Steinberg) writes:
>
>Shabbat Shalom: Metzora (Shabbat Hagodol) by Shlomo  Riskin
>
>his Thirteen Principles of Faith, Maimonides, the  most   ration-
>al   of   all Torah   giants, declares: "I believe with a perfect
>belief in the coming of the Messiah, and although he may tarry, I
>daily   wait for   his  coming."  [Principle  #12].
>
I do not believe that this is a quote from Maimonidies but rather
from a more recent poet who wrote about Maimonidies 13 principles.
Maimonidies is very exact in his language and we must be careful
about misquoting him even if the idea seems similair.

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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: Help with Pesach Song
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:35:03 GMT

david lloyd-jones writes:
>
>I would appreciate it if anyone could help me with the following
>transcription from the Spanish/Ladino; could you post a corrected
>version, by E-mail or in public?  Thanks in advance.
>
>Quen suspiensey entendiense
>  Al avar el Dio criense
>Qualo sonos uno, dos, tres, quatro, cinque, sesh, siete.
>
>Siete dies con el shabbat
> Sesh dies de la semane
>Cinquo livros de la ley
> Quatro matros d'Israel
>Tres e nuestros patroson
> Dos e Moshe y Aaron
>Uno es el Creador.
> Uno es el Creador, baruch Hu, baruch Shemo.
>
>I'd appreciate the English meaning of the second line (al avar...) which
>I have probably trashed above.  And I need it by Friday!

This sure looks like a Sephardic equivalent of Echad Mi Yodea (who knows
one?)
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Surpassing Einstein
Keywords: Try, Try Again...
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:45:37 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <7APR199209271280@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afwendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WENDY WARTNICK) writes:
>In article <ktvik0INNl3r@girtab.usc.edu>, jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes...
>>In article <9204051240.AA25502@relay1.UU.NET> MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il:

>>[Hayim Hendeles:]
>>>>Any comparison to the secular world is totally misleading. I may
>>>>not have the intelligence of Albert Einstein, for example, but I can
>>>>probably learn all that he knew.

>Sure, but how much of that will you UNDERSTAND?  I HAVE read much of 
>Einstein's work, but I surely do not understand it all!  Much of what he 
>wrote involved great leaps of intuition and comprehension (and imagination)
>, and much of it is downright weird from our everyday point of view (
>relativity).  

>Learning "all that he knew" (theorized) is easy, understanding its 
>implications is hard.

Since he did not communicate all he knew, we cannot learn all of it,
but will have to rediscover those parts.  Also, we do not have to make
the leaps he made, he has told us what they are.  We can learn them, even
if we might not be able to dream them up.

I do not find relativity that weird.  Now black holes are somewhat weird,
but these were what others concluded using Einstein's work.  But to 
someone used to mathematical thinking, relativity is not anything
mysterious.  Despite what has been written about the difficulty of
understanding his work, the basic ideas, which include these leaps
of comprehension, were made quite obvious by him to those who had
the necessary background, primarily in mathematics.  That is what
research in mathematics, or any other theoretical field, is; finding
what others have not seen, and making those things found obvious.
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From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Nadia: Cool Out / History & Scholarship
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:00:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.134400.10529@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.082957.16813@cco.caltech.edu# 
>bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>
>[.....]
>
>#In fact, I myself confirmed the statements about the Mufti.  Remember:
>#I said in my article that the Mufti's actions were inexcusible.  This
>#implies that I believed the accusations against him were correct.  
>#(BTW, I read the whole of Brenner's book about 2 years ago).
>#
>#The point of my article was that what is more surprising than the 
>#mufti's cooperation with the Nazis is the Zionists attitude toward
>#the Nazis.  
>
>It is *NOT* "the Zionist attitude towards the Nazis". It is the suggestion
>of a small splinter group, at the time of a small importance in Israel,
>to cooperate with Germany in fighting against the British. It was 
>suggested as part of a plan to evacuate European Jews into Israel, and
>was made at a time when the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews was not
>yet known (although admittedly their negative attitude and hatered of
>the Jews were no secret). If looked upon objectively, it can be seen
>as an effort to get Jews out of Europe and save them from persecution.

If I remember correctly from my reading of "Transfer Agreement" and
"Zionism in the Age of Dictators" about two years ago, the cooperation
with Germany was not by "a small splinter group" at all.  It representated
dominant Zionist policy.

>What I find much more surprising is that Syria is *still* harboring
>a first rate Nazi criminal, Alois Brunner, who lives like a king in
>Damascus. in 1987, Brunner said in an interview to an American newspaper
>that he is "happy that I gassed Jews because they are human waste and
>the creation of the devil". Why Syria keeps sheltering this scum is
>beyond my comprehension (or maybe it is not).

I don't know if the above charge is true or not.  If it is true, of course,
then I think Syria should put him on trial.

>-Danny Keren.

Behnam Sadeghi

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