HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dilvish@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jay Shrauner)
Subject: Pigskin Classic
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:16:02 GMT

Well, unfortunately we lost the game, but you have to give
Stanford credit for running the game for the first half, and
at least holding A&M back in the third quarter.  Granger played
horribly in the first half, although Stanford had some wonderful
missed opportunities too.  Good ole Aaron Mills missed his field
goal attempt, as usual.  I hope they start letting the freshman
kicker play instead.

The reffing was fairly good, but there were a few really bad calls
in favor of A&M, most notably that pass interference-pick up the ball
on one bounce interception.  That was absurd, and really helped
screw things up for Stanford at the end.  There was another missed
penalty against A&M, where they showed a few choice replays of
Milburn getting his head halfway ripped off by some A&M player grabbing
hold of his face mask on a run back.

Enough whining though, our offense did bite hard in the second half, and
Granger sported a new look in the fourth quarter, although I'm still
amused that he was player of the game?!  Let's face it, he couldn't make
a completion to save his life in the first half--maybe comeback of the game,
but I'm sorry he sure wasn't the player of the game.  Maybe that should go
to the A&M player who got the 'interception' on one bounce--it's not
his fault the refs are blind, and he showed savvy in pulling it off.

Oh well, hopefully Stanford will crush Northwestern, Oregon, and San Jose
St and thus be 3-1 going into Notre Dame.  I wonder how this will affect
preseason polls?  I mean, with only 1 game played so far, do they bother
to adjust the polls (I'm talking AP and such, not computer polls).

Jay Shrauner
jas@quake.stanford.edu
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:23:20 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Sep1.024205.2445@hubcap.clemson.edu> artieh@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>   I suppose you are referring to the preseason rankings when you say you feel FSU 
>has too much talent for ACC teams to be a problem? I seem to remember a game in 
>Tallahassee against a supposedly inferior C-L-E-M-S-O-N team. I have forgotten the score. Do you suppose you could refresh my memory?

I don't remember my exact words, but I am quite sure I never said
Clempsun was inferior. Obviously they have historically been the best
team in the ACC (unless you count Tech's glorious past prior to joining
the conference), and are certainly on par with FSU and other top
programs. I was at the game you were refering to and Clempsun kicked our
ass quite handily. Hot day, lousy game to be at (from my perspective, of
course!). So get your panties unwadded, laddie, I don't consider the
Clempsun game to be a lock. As to the rest of the ACC, I stand by my
statement that we have too much talent for them, at the present time.
However, Clempsun will be the third most difficult game we play this
year, though it may be the most significant. (bear with me, this
conference stuff is hard to adjust to)

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush)
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:45:02 GMT

In article <9209041917.AA22885@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.142655.27936@spdc.ti.com>,
>dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>
>>Woof.
>>
>>    OOOO                                                        
>>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
>>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
>>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  
>>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
>>      U    U                                      | 
>>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman.        |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
>
>To which I respond:
>
>
>
>Woof, woof.
>
>  N     N                                                      
>DDNNDDDDDD                                      |     Mike Noonan
>D N N   N D       Notre Dame Fightin' Irish     |                
>D N  N  N D  National College Football Champions|  
>D N   N N D   '24'29'30'43'46'47'49'66'73'77'88 |   noonan@dseg.ti.com
>DDNDDDDDDD                                      | 
>  N     N         Mirer/Bettis for Heisman.     |      "Uh huh!"
>                   -----------------------

Well, take this:

Whif... no, wait... uh Whef... no, no, no, I've got it now... uh...

Never mind... Go CU!

 CCCC
C    C
C  U    U
C  U    U           Colorado Buffaloes
C  U C  U  National College Football (Co)Champions
 CCCC   U                  1990
   U    U
    UUUU          Picard/Riker for Heisman.
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From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: What would you think if....?
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.134735.11038@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>
>What would you think if a team continued woofing about beating its rival
>in 1990, when in 1991 this team had been slaughtered by its in-state rival
>38-0.
>
>Thats right,
>
>333333333       88888888               000000000
>         3     8        8             0         0
>         3     8        8             0         0
>333333333       88888888   ---------- 0         0
>         3     8        8  ---------- 0         0
>         3     8        8             0         0
>         3     8        8             0         0
>333333333       88888888               000000000
>
>
>this is of course, purely hypothetical.
>any resemblance to any actual woofing is purely accidental.
>
>-rob
>


	38:0 means nothing.  Remember last year: 
	
	Penn State vs Cincinati:    81:0

	Sounds like a basketball game?
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Defense & Heisman Trophy
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:05:26 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
}
}Name one defensive player who has been seriously touted (meaning preseason
}network media, etc...) in the past. 

Brian Bosworth, Hugh Green, Lawrence Taylor, I'm sure there have been
others.

}I think it is agreed at least here on the net that the past few Heisman
}winners have been somewhat disappointing.  Desmond Howard and Tim Brown
}were outstanding recievers, but they weren't so much head and shoulders
}above the rest of the world that it was obvious.  Ty Detmer?  Andre Ware?

It's not generally agreed by me!  Tim Brown was a joke of course, but
Desmond Howard was incredible.  He *averaged* 2 TD's a game at WR - that's
amazing.  Ty Detmer and Andre Ware completely rewrote the NCAA
record books for passing.

}If a defensive player has an outstanding year like Bosworth or Emtman did
}and gets enough media hoopla to start the season with a serious campaign,
}followed by another outstanding season, it will happen.  My guess about
}the next decade is just that, a guess.  It will happen sometime.

There are certain factors which inherently make it unlikely for
a defender to win the Heisman.  The most important are (1) the
stupidity of the mediots, (2) the more pronounced team nature
of defense and the lack of meaningful defensive statistics, and (3) the 
tendency of teams to run/throw away from the best defenders.

}Feel free to disagree, but it wasn't Washington and Miami's offense that
}won them shares of the MNC last year.

No, it was offense *and* defense.  Washington and Miami led the nation
in scoring defense last year - one of the best ways to keep the other
team from scoring is to have the ball for very long periods of time
and score yourself.  (Not to say that they didn't both have very fine
defenses.)

Look, you have misinterpretted my statement.  I said defense is less
important than it used to be, but that doesn't mean it's not critical
to winning championships.  It's just that it used to be all-important.
Teams like Georgia '80, Alabama '78-79, Clemson '81, Oklahoma '74-75,
won championships with extremely unimaginative offenses (and some 
great backs, of course) and superior defenses.  I don't think we'll
see any more of those.  (And coaches seem to agree, with places like
Colorado, Oklahoma, Michigan, Penn State, etc. actually trying to
spread the field and play some offense, rather than continuing their
ball control + tough defense formulas.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Past MNC's
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:17:29 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <67121@hydra.gatech.EDU>
gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>The system that had Ga.Tech #1 in 1928, I believe was the Dickinson rating
>system.  I'm not sure.  If its not that, it might be INS (International
>New Service, I think), its the same one that had Tech #1 in 1952.  The
>year Tech went 11-0 and won either the Sugar or Orange Bowl, and lost out
>in the AP/UPI to 9-0 MSU, which hadn't played in a bowl that year.
>--
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
 
The Dickinson System had So Cal #1 for 1928.  The Helms Athletic Foundation,
called the Athletic Foundation after 1969, selected Ga Tech as #1 for 1928.
The Helms Athletic Foundation picks for the years 1883-1941 were made
retroactively in 1941 by Bill Schroeder, managing director of the foundation.
If I start a foundation, can I retroactively pick the 1984 national champ?
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More Apple Cup stuff!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida State University

In article <66426@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>10-24%                  Hapless Victim          Navy to Notre Dame
>0-9%                    Humble Servant,         Florida State to Georgia Tech
>                        Lapdog Toady            Virginia to Clemson

Hmmm...lapdog toady is pretty good, but...

How about Worthless Whipping Boy instead?

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: singletn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (Jeff Singleton)
Subject: Re: Exciting Big East Summary
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center - Hampton, VA USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:12:48 GMT

In article <Bu246D.Hx9@news.larc.nasa.gov>, mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov
(Michael L Nelson) wrote:
> 
> This is being posted for Bob.
> 
> Subject: Summary of BIG EAST Contest Entries:
> 
> 
>                   BC    Miami  Pitt* RU    Syr    Temp  VTech WVU
>
  <stuff deleted>
 
> J Singleton       5-6   10-1   7-5   6-5    9-2   3-8   5-6   9-2
>
                                                                ^^^^
  <more stuff trashed>
 
>           Consensus     Highest      Lowest
> 
> Miami      10-1        11-0 (13)     7-4 (1)
> Syracuse    9-2        11-0 (1)      8-3 (6)
> Rutgers     7-4         9-2 (2)      3-8 (1)
> Pitt        7-5         9-3 (6)      4-8 (1)
> WVU         6-5         9-2 (1)      3-8 (2)
> BC          6-5         9-2 (1)      3-8 (1)
> VTech       5-6         8-3 (4)      1-10 (2)
> Temple      3-8         7-4 (1)      1-10 (5)


    Okay, so maybe my opinion is a little less than unbiased.
  Am I the only WVU fan here on the net?  Or perhaps the only
  one dumb enough to think we can go 9-2?  Don't answer that,
  it was just a rhetorical question.

  Let's go, Mounties!   (I always have hated "How 'bout them 'Eers")

  jeff singleton
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: cmuck's trip...
Keywords: n
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug26.151142.63219
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.053930.24099@tamsun.tamu.edu> m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu (michael denison) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.123012.2064@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>ps- you guys know the easiest way to break into Kyle Field??  The 
>>   way that I always do it is take a pair of bolt cutters and cut
>>   the padlocks and then put my own up...  damn I miss the days 
>>   when Kyle was open to the public!
>
>Take the grating down down down next to the obnoxious a/c duct across from
>the parking garage. Cross over, go up up up. Enter 312 reed, walk across
>gym and through door on other side. Why buy padlocks? Voof!

When I was in Aggieland, I worked a year for the Battalion, the student
newspaper, as a photographer (I also worked for the Buttalion, a parody
of the same, but that was prolly before y'all's time).  One of my assignments
was to go to an Aggie football practice to get a photo of one of the
assistant coaches (it may have been Slocum).  Finding the gates locked, I
just jumped the wall.

I was hanging out on the sidelines, taking photos, with no problems.
Jackie Sherrill walked by, and I nodded greetings.  No response.  A
couple of minutes later, a couple of his goons come over and ask me for
my pass to be in there.  I showed them my press credentials, but that
wasn't good enough.  Da bums threw me out!

I got my shot, anyway.  :-)
-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                   | "Mike and Blair have the lowest ___________
 Vmark Software, Inc.          |  to ____________ ratio of all rec.gamblers."
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com         |     - You fill in the blanks.
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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Auburn/Ole Miss - Prelude
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:39:59 GMT


                       (GOING TO) MISSISSIPPI **

   "I'm going to Mississippi, Mississippi here I come..."
   "Going to Mississippi, Mississippi here I come..."
   "They play some crazy little football there,"
   "And I'm going to see me some!"

**(apologies to Wilbur Harrison and the Beatles)

---------------

So I say to the wife, why don't we take a trip to Oxford Miss?  There is a
lot of history there, William Faulkner's house, Civil War era homes, etc. 
She, being a big Faulkner fan, readily agreed.  Then I mumbled something about
a football game between Auburn and Ole Miss.  Oddly enough, she didn't seem
to mind.  She didn't even give me THE LOOK.  I guess she will put up with
anything just to get out of the house once and a while...

Dave's Road Trip To Mississippi.  Can Auburn do it??  Can Pat Dye whip his
ragtag bunch into shape (about half of the starters are injured - of course,
they went 5-6 last year so maybe it's not as bad as it seems)??  Or will
Billy Brewer rise out of the shadow of "Mr. Personality, Old Stoneface
himself, you know him, you love/hate him" Jackie Sherill and actually win a
big game at home (or anywhere)??  

Stay tuned ............
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
"Well, I might take a plane, I might take a train ..."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: damn, damn, damn
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:12:06 GMT


Damn, damn, damn...I wish Caled Gundy had followed his older brother
up to OSU.

- goober (mr. lisa min-yi chen) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:31:38 GMT

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>Not too impressive, but then
>again, I'm from a real school; you're probably an honor student down
>there at the University of Seventeenth Choice.

>Oh, by the way, that's "cue", not "que".  But the error is understandable;
>you're probably an undergrad and haven't taken postdoc spelling for those
>really big words.

How lame, I'd expect something more creative from such a wonderfully
educated person such as yourself.  I turned down Berkeley to do graduate
work at USC, which in coding and information theory is far better.
Really, USC undergraduate requirements are far less stringent than
Berkeley, but who cares about this on the  football newsgroup? Perhaps
you are still sore after all the annual drubbing you normally receive
from SC?  

>As though the Ugly Studid Clowns have a corner on class.  Your fans
>reflect your players -- dirty, tacky and a microcosm of what's not
>right in college sports.

Ooops, that should be stupid not studid, I'll let it pass though in
humble understanding of your greatness. To be frank, tell me which
school represents what's right in college sports, besides mighty
Kal, of course...

>Cal's stock in the NCAA must be going up, when fans from a former power
>look forward to their games.

We shall see who is a 'former' or rather 'fleeting' power... Remember
Louisville, another one year wonder?

>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984

Serdar

PS: Valdis really touched a raw nerve in you, relax, it's only a game
:-). 

-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: EASIEST SCHEDULE
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:07:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Murasami Labs

BERNSTEIN,AVRON P wrote:


> ALL ON THE ROAD is far from a cakewalk, add to that playing the Gators at
> UF and I think its pretty clear that FSU does not have one of the easiest

BZZZZZZZZTTTTTT! The Gators take a little road trip up here this year.

But if something bad happens (like Charlie Ward going out with injuries
early for the rest of the season), it could even be a 6-5 year. Probably
an 8-3 year, possibly a 11-0. Not likely, mind you.

James
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:08:17 GMT

Rob Butera (rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep1.003809.12848@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu (Judd Christopher R.) writes:
: |> I was just curious how many other people out there are as tired of the UT
: |> attitude that is out there this year?

Rob, Rob, Rob...  It is obvious that Judd is talking about the University of
Tennessee.  You are talking about t.u., also known as the Austin State School.

:^)

: BTW, what the heck does "Gig 'Em" mean?  "Hook 'em" is pretty obvious.

You know, agriculture -> aggies -> farmers -> pitch forks -> gig 'em.

(Yeah, I'll admit its a reach...)

: Why does A&M get such a bad rap from other schools in this state?

Wannabees.

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: A&M vs. Stanford
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:31:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Although not an Aggie fan, I too got tired of hearing about "Walsh's genius."
They only scored 7 points?  Not really mind-numbing offense is it?
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State update
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Sep4.014804.19522@icf.hrb.com> mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>Bob is a total moron. I made the original post and I have no affiliation with

Hmmm, I thought he was just a partial moron. Looks like ECMB to me!

(Just kidding, Bob, I picked RU to beat BC just because I like you)

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Faust (Was MAC preview)
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

Patrick Fleming writes:
PE>In one week plus one day, America's premier conference will roar
PE>into action will all ten teams seeing game action.
PE>The MAC will also open its season that day.
PE>Predicted order of finish:
PE> 1. Bowling Green

(#2-#6 deleted)

PE> 7. Akron

PE>Akron (5-6): Former Notre Dame coach Jerry Faust will
PE>lead the Zips into their first season in the MAC.

Jerry Faust is still as clueless as he was when he was at Notre Dame.

This is what he had to say about the new Sam Boyd Silver bowl to be
held in Las Vegas, Nevada between the champions of the MAC, and the
Big West conference.

"Me and my wife came out here (Las Vegas) twice a year to see the
good shows and enjoy fine restaurants and I'd love to make a third
trip in December with my players."

Gerry, you won't be going to any bowl with the Akron Zips.
Your  best bet would be to return to high school in Cincinnati, and
maybe if you go to a high school bowl they will invite you to
a show on a riverboat on the Ohio River.

He continues, (as given in College+Pro Football weekly) "While I was
at Notre Dame, we made it to the Aloha bowl and the Liberty bowl.
Those were good bowls for the kids, but the Las Vegas bowl could wind
up being the best of the bowls."

Wow, you actually took some of the best talent in America to two
minor bowls during a five year period! Maybe the Las Vegas bowl
will turn out to be better than those two. I am sure if you take
the Zips to that game Notre Dame will regret not keeping you.

The coach at Akron before Faust was fired after an 8-3 season.
The administrator wanted to replace him with Faust because of the
following logic,

"We are one of the nations largest universities, but we do not have
the national recognition. Bringing in a a big time football coach
could get us the attention we deserve."

What was on that guys mind???

That would be like a town saying they would take Saddam Hussein
as their next mayor because a "big name" would give their town
recognition. Well, Akron got what they deserved. The Zips have averaged
five wins a season with Faust, predictable after his tenure with ND.
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