HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore Misusing Federal Computer Network Resources
Followup-To: alt.fan.debbie-gibson
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:46:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.221929.6846@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>No, but here in the US, passing their traffic over NSFnet is a violation
>of the Acceptable Use agreement. Political campaigning is not an 
>acceptable use.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Well, if you request (via FTP, mailserver, carrier-pidgin) that
"political campaigning" bytes be sent to your computer, and those bytes
traverse the NFSnet...

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...or you'll get a spanking.

Otherwise, do whatever your commercial supplier permits.

When I traceroute to mail.Clinton-Gore.org, my bits are going over
PSInet, through the CIX, through UUNET.  I'm in the US.

Tell me how this violates the NSFnet Acceptable Use Policy.

Tom
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"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:33:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500396:000:2109
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  3 06:33:00 1992


From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet>
Subject: Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism

/* Written  6:32 am  Oct  3, 1992 by cberlet in cdp:elections.usa */
/* ---------- "Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism" ---------- */

Stockdale and the Rockford Institute

by Chip Berlet

Perot's choice for running mate, James Bond Stockdale, has a 
history of afilliations that raise questions concerning his 
sensitivity to issues of racial justice and sexism.

Stockdale served as the president of the Citadel, a southern 
military academy that gained noteriety for allowing racially-
based harassment of African-American cadets and for its policies 
discriminating against women.

More troubling is Stockdale's current service on the Board of the 
Rockford Institute, a leading right-wing think that helped 
formulate the battle plan for the "Culture War" discussed at the 
Republican convention. The Rockford Institute has drifted so far 
to the right in recent years that even elements of the so-called 
"New Right" have raised questions concerning examples of anti-
Semitism and racism creeping into the Institute's publications. 
When an employee of Rockford suggested the Institute was allowing 
anti-Jewish themes to emerge, he was summarily fired, locked out 
of his office, and his possessions stacked in the street.

Margaret Quigley of Political Research Associates has studied the 
Rockford Institute and concludes that it now has adopted many 
core themes of the European neo-fascist movements, including the 
aristocratic fascism of Le Pen and Benoist, and the more earthy 
"Third Position," which is a re-packaged ideology based on 
national socialism, the early political basis of Hitler's Nazi 
movement.

Rockford promotes a Euro-centric brand of white supremacy, 
considers Jews to have brought an "alien" culture to the U.S., 
and is anti-immigrant. Stockdale's position on the board of the 
Rockford Institute is certain to raise questions about his own 
political beliefs in these matters, and at the very least shows 
an alarming lack of sensitivity to racial issues.

                        -30-
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:59:23 GMT

>head and looked away, ignoring it. Lets face it, the Republiclones armed
>Saddam, they are at total fault and bear total responsibility for the
>whole thing happening in the first place.

*Total* fault?  *Total* responsibility?  Shouldn't Saddam bear at least
some of that fault and responsibility?  Or did they use the Secret
SDI Mind Control Ray(TM) to make him use thoses arms?

--Tim Smith
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17201 alt.desert-storm:1896 alt.politics.clinton:8573
From: cassidy@cps.msu.edu (John J Cassidy)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:23:48 GMT
Reply-To: cassidy@cps.msu.edu (John J Cassidy)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: cassidy@dolphin.cps.msu.edu

In article <14084.2acc9fe4@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.174315.17999@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>> Listen--I saw the photos from the 1988 gas attack on the Kurdish
>> villages--I was sickened by that like everyone else.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>
>But being a blind supporter of Ray-Gun and Fearless Leader you turned your
>head and looked away, ignoring it. Lets face it, the Republiclones armed
>Saddam, they are at total fault and bear total responsibility for the
>whole thing happening in the first place. When the Little Dictator stopped
>cowtowing to Bush and started acting on his own initiative THEN it was
>time to stop them.
>
>The problem with these Republiclones is that they are only concerned with
>immediate consequences, they never look farther than their nose to see
>what it is that they are really doing. Fools.
>
>-Garrett
>
	Like dropping the atom bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
        Like forcing hoards of Japanese citizens into concentration
	camps -- and then depriving them of property afterword?
        Like entering into every single war in this century before the
	Gulf War?
	Like trying to add 8 new members to the Supreme Court ( guess
	who gets to pick em too? ) ?
	Like creating the mean and evil C.I.A ?
	Like installing Fidel Castro into power ?
	Like coming to head with the CCCP over the missles subsequently
	placed in Cuba?
	Like inventing the policy of "Mutually Assured Destruction"?
	Like inventing the "Domino Theory"?
	Like bringing the murderous Shah of Iran to this country,
	forcing the Iranians to take hostages in reaction?

( Yeah, I know there's Watergate and McCarthy on the other side.  Oooh.
  But neither of those two fiascos are currently perpetuated as the
fault of the other party, similar to the way the above is thought to be
the domain of the Republican party. )

	Any good liberal should know that the atomic bomb is the most
horrid thing on this earth.  Courtesy the Democrats.  They researched
it, they developed it and they used it.  And then they thought it
comforting to think that both parties being mutaully assured of
destruction, were less likely to bomb each other.  Yet when Reagon dealt
with the same reasoning, he was considered insane.  And when he proposed
SDI as an alternative, was told that he was messing up the balance of a
mutually assured destruction.  Lord, that sounds so comforting.

	Oh and I forgot, that in the middle of the 20th, the south was
almost entirely Democrat.  Thank the Democrats for Jim Crow laws too.

	John J Cassidy		cassidy@cps.msu.edu
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17155 alt.desert-storm:1879
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:32:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep28.183547.19971JPII@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
)There is no American worth any more than the lowliest Iraqi and vice versa.
)The statement "save American lives" shows bigotry. 
Or maybe simple human concerns. After all, would you think the life of your
children, lover, best friend, sibling or other friends and family to be more
important than a total stranger? No? Very noble of you to be willing to give
up the lives of your loved ones for a stranger while you read this. I do 
believe, however that you would change your tune if you actually DID have to
choose between your loved ones or a stranger. The statement "save American 
lives" does not necessarily show bigotry; it shows a concern for your fellow
citizens. Adding racist remarks to the end of that statement, I'll leave it
to you to insert them, WOULD show bigotry.
)
)When are we going to come out of moral bankruptcy and realize that we
)(all people) are worth the same. What this nation needs is a good ass-
)kicking. Like a selfish two-year-old, it needs to be punished. 
Yeah, right. Just the thing we need. I'm sure you and any of your friends (whom
you would probably let die to save my life, just to prove your rationale above)
would love to try. I'm not very worried. The only danger you pose is the threat
of an amateur: too unpredictable to plan a good strategy against. I also 
seriously doubt you would actually want to see an entire nation punished for 
the crimes of their ancestors,leaders,etc. considering your value of all human
life. Not unless you are a hypocrite. Yeah, I have differing values for humans.
Though I have a very simple criteria: Anyone trying to kill me or someone I 
care about is probably going to die unless I can capture them w/o risking the
life of those people I care about. Otherwise It's pretty much "you're human
and I think that's all that matters" as far as I'm concerned. Rather be mining
rocks in the Belt than killing people. Unless the above criteria are met, then
things will get unpleasant. Not acceptable to you? Fine. You can have your
opinion. Let me have mine, or haven't you heard of the 1st Amendment?


-- 
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wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
Politically Incorrect      |"The meek shall inherit the earth. The rest of us
Future Lunar Colonist      |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:53:54 GMT

jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:

>The statement "save American lives" shows bigotry. 

Yup. In a combat situation, I want the US to obtain its objectives with the
minimal loss of life possible. American lives come first.

>Like a selfish two-year-old, it needs to be punished. 

Pot. Kettle. Bang.

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,news.admin
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore Misusing Federal Computer Network Resources
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.221929.6846@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>,
kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

|>gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
|>
|>>Are you saying that a political organisation signing up for a commercial
|>>usenet/mail feed is breaking the law?
|>
|>No, but here in the US, passing their traffic over NSFnet is a violation
|>of the Acceptable Use agreement. Political campaigning is not an 
|>acceptable use.

What if they passed the stuff on to me in .de and I posted it?

The whole point of the net is that arbitrary national restrictions on free
speach and debated should be broken down.

I think that not only have Clinton and Gore got a right to be on the net, they
also have a duty to do so. So do Bush and Quayle. They are elected politicians
and they should be accountable to their electorate.

I don't think that they should be holding polls on the net or anything of that
sort. However I think it perfectly reasonable for them to set up anon ftp,
gopher, WAIS or WWW servers. 


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor )
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Energy Policy (II)
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:16:06 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

In article <1992Sep30.234209.12290@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)  
writes:
> In article <CINDY.92Sep27152546@solan10.solan.unit.no>  
cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
> 
> >There's still another issue, however, and that issue is space.
>	And there is also the question of how much space the
>appropriate roadways consume.

Actually, the piece I was discussing was completely conceptual.  The idea  
was to brainstorm what the properties on an ideal transportation system  
would be, completely free of any constraints, even technological.  If  
there are no constraints, individual transportation would seem to be  
superior to mass transportation.  But the respondents still named mass  
transortation as the ideal solution, which perhaps says something about  
their mindset.

--
Don McGregor
drm@esl.com 
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.001623.25517@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>
>Did we really _need_ to bury _anyone_ ?

Probably not.

>
>I suspect that we could have waited them out, no ?

Probably not, again.  Time tables, and all that.  If you as a defender
hold up an advance, you've done your job, more or less.

As perhaps has been observed, if you die by bomb or burial, you still
tend to be dead.  Perhaps a bit cold blooded, but this is a fact of war.



--
"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
were foxes...."
"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore Misusing Federal Computer Network Resources
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Sep28.110549.15228@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
	<1992Sep27.185603.11835@odin.corp.sgi.com>
	<1992Sep28.021820.9274@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:16:28 GMT

MPD> == Michael P. Deignan <kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> 

 MPD> Oh, so my company has the right to blather commercial information
 MPD> across the net too?

Sure.  Set up a mail server, and let those who want the info mail to it.
Or set up an anonymous ftp site, even, like, say, ftp.telebit.com, or
ftp.apple.com, you get the idea.

 MPD> "Free Speech" does not mean government-sponsored printing presses.

Looks to me like they're paying their UUNET bill, just like any other
customer.  "Government-sponsored"?  Only if the people sending mail to
it are in the R&E ghetto, and that's their lookout, not yours.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:01:29 GMT

In article <14084.2acc9fe4@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> 
> The problem with these Republiclones is that they are only concerned with
> immediate consequences, they never look farther than their nose to see
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what it is that they are really doing. Fools.

Unlike the far reaching genius of the liberal brain-child Welfare, Right
Garrett? 
> -Garrett

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:15 GMT

Listen--I saw the photos from the 1988 gas attack on the Kurdish
villages--I was sickened by that like everyone else.

Simon


Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: wafcdc@igc.apc.org (Western Ancient Forest Campaign)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Ancient Forest Update
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:21:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500392:000:2348
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!wafcdc    Oct  2 07:21:00 1992


                                                                Ancient
                                                                 Forest
                                                               Campaign


                                                         Capitol Office
                                                       Washington, D.C.
                                      Vol. 2, No. 7; September 27, 1992



Environmentalists Dominate Week's Ancient Forest Politics 
      In the past week, Sen. Mark Hatfield's (R-OR) attempt to pass his version of the
timber industry's Packwood bill (S.1156) was soundly defeated in the Senate Energy
Committee, Rep. Norm Dicks (D-WA) chose to withdraw his "Son of Section 318" rider
to the Interior Appropriations bill in the face of widespread opposition from the
Northwest Delegation and his constituents, Rep. Larry LaRocco's (D-ID) improved
Salvage/Forest Health bill was approved by the House Agriculture Committee over the
strong objections of Rep. Jim Jontz (D-IN) , and a new Sierra Study bill was introduced
and passed out of the Agriculture Committee in a surprise move by Reps. Leon Panetta
(D-CA), Wally Herger (R-CA) and Cal Dooley (D-CA).

      This week demonstrated the ability of the Ancient Forest Alliance to control
forest politics in Committees where environmentalists have traditionally suffered
ignominy or worse.  The week also illustrated the growing weakness of the timber
industry in its traditional strongholds, and the growing inability of the timber/labor
alliance to influence the movement of ancient forest legislation.  

      As important as any other lesson from this tumultuous week's political
maneuvering is the confirmation of the very real power that a well-organized grassroots
network has over the course of ancient forest legislation, even when the reins of power
are in the hands of political masters intent on protecting the interests of the timber
industry.  Thousands of letters and phone calls from activists across the nation laid the
foundation for a two-vote margin of victory in the Senate Energy Committee, and the
light brought to bear on the normally obscure workings of the Interior Appropriations
Conference Committee by an aggressive grassroots phone-alert prevented a replay of
"Rider Madness" in the Pacific Northwest.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:16854 sci.environment:11632 talk.environment:3951 talk.politics.misc:48314 alt.conspiracy:10842 misc.headlines:6429 alt.individualism:5598
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:13:56 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>Look at John MacArthur's _Second Front: Censorship and Propaganda In
>the Gulf War_.  He does a very good job of ripping apart Bush's
>reasons for going to war.

>>Eventually, I expect that we will, and attitudes like yours will wither
>>away. I, for one, will be happy to see a few less smug, self-righteous
>>people rejoicing at the death of other people.

>No, no, no.  I tend to have this idea that bad things happen during a
>war.  That's inevitable: it's the nature of combat.  I've mentioned
>this previously: I go by Clausewitz formulation, that war is very very
>bad, and constraints on the violence is in some sense artifical
>(except where political necessity requires such constraints).  He
>emphasizes this throughout, with the aim of averting war, or at least
>casual war.  I do not feel that the Gulf War was in any way necessary,
>and that Bush had put blinders on us to wage it.  I also feel that
>once the war had started, we had no real choice in the matter but to
>conduct it as effectively as possible.  That's all. 


I'm sorry I misinterpreted your thoughts and feelings, Elizabeth.

Please accept my sincere apologies.


-- richard

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