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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:53:26 GMT

bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>This of course does not apply to the entertainment business which is
>very elastic, for example. If you can't see a movie on Sunday you
>probably would see less movies per year. But if you can't food shop on
>Sunday it's unlikely you will choose instead to starve to death.

Yeah. The subject was actually "Sunday *Liquor* Sales".  I don't
think most liquor sales would be in the same category as a pair of
sneakers :-)    ... sneakers you buy once in a while and they last 
for a while.  Alcohol is a consumable, like going to the store for
a gallon of milk.

>I'll count that kind of beer in with the entertainment industry, it's
>not quite a matter of life or death tho.

yes.


>Like I said earlier, soas you can sit back and have that cold beer
>some poor schlep who sold you that beer can't have one. So you have to
>be careful with your populist tone, someone has to work on Sunday in
>your scheme, and they can't have a cold one until they get off work.

Well if the stores weren't open that day, he'd have 8 few hours available
for work that week!  People working in that type of job want *more* hours
I think (I agree that lots of people don't want to work weekens even
at that).  But this is the same society in which able-bodied people
*choose* not to work because they can get away with living on welfare.
This is far from the original topic, but I once knew a woman (actually
a friend of a friend) who *intentionally* got pregnant when her child
was about to the age where she would stop getting welfare benefits, so
that she could continue to get the benefits!



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Newsgroups: ne.general
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:06:27 GMT

In article <BZS.92Dec16210528@world.std.com>
bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>Yeah, whatever you do never write "target" all over yourself, it's a
>dead give away.

>Every city of size ... has its problems and advantages.

...lotsa good, true stuff deleted re: NYC .vs. Boston subways....

Tell 'em, Barry! I was right behind you on the "F" key....

	-Kenny

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Newsgroups: ne.general
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: How to deal with delinquent landlord?
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:40:37 GMT


Hi there,

I am having a disagreement with my landlord and would
like some advice on how to proceed.

There are  large amounts of water entering my
garage from outside.  I have pointed this out to the landlord
numerous times with only feeble attempts at fixing the problem.
During the last snow storm, this problem got so bad that I had
to line sandbags along the wall of the garage to prevent it 
from being flooded.

The landlord refuses to address the problem, saying that it
is "to be expected" in a garage.  Is there a state agency
or other watchdog group that can force landlords to make
repairs on properties?  Granted, this is not life-threatening,
but for the amount of money that is being paid, I expect a
certain amount of quality in the construction of the building.
Also, the garage is used for storage and there is the threat
of water damage to some of my belongings.

I am also considering placing the amount of money that garage
adds to the rent in an escrow account each month until the
repairs are done.  At such time, the landlord will receive
the withheld rent.  Is this legal?  Is it grounds for
eviction in the state of MA?

Please mail responses to me, and if anyone wants a summary,
I will mail them to you.

Thanks for any help!

-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Logan Airport Parking Garage
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:27:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

Linda M. Easterbrooks writes
>>>>Consider flying to Hartford, CT or Manchester, NH if you'd
>>>>like a smaller airport, no parking hassles and no driving...
>Nobody in this LOGAN / Hartford, CT / Manchester, NH discussion has even
>MENTIONED the best alternative for lots of people -- T.F. Green airport, in 
>Warwick, R.I. (Listed as Providence, but those of us who live here know...)

Worcester Airport is OK, if you're leaving in the morning and you
fly via USAir.  It's tough (but cheap) to get to, but
it's almost as expensive to park in Worcester's outside lot as
in Logan's enclosed garage.  And, during last weekend's record-
breaking blizzard, Worcester was closed for about two days.  It
didn't snow as much in Boston, so Logan was only closed for
a few hours.

I've parted twice in the Logan garage.  The first time, our
then year old car wound up with a nasty key scratch across the
length of the car.  The second time was last weekend, so
compared to having to dig my car out of a snowdrift somewhere,
it was a breeze (though a costly one---$50 for four days).

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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Subways after Midnight was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:41:21 GMT
	<1992Dec16.044847.22547@unixland.natick.ma.us>
	<1992Dec16.171224.19304@burrhus.harvard.edu>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I have ridden Chicago busses after 1am. I have ridden the New York
Subway at 3 and 4 am. I wouldn't ride it alone at that hour. I
wouldn't ride the Orange line in Boston alone to Malden, either, or
alone any time after a hockey game. I do ride the Red line alone. I
have also walked home alone from Allston about a dozen times, after
1 am over the years. I now do not want to walk alone through Central
Square Cambridge after dark.
  I wish we had the choice here to ride the subway at night. Sure
beats walking! Of course, nowadays I have a little more money for
cabs. The last time (this last summer) that I walked home alone from
the Rat, I took a cab from Central Square to Porter. I wish the #1 bus
ran all night. 


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From: emery@dr_no.mitre.org (David Emery)
Newsgroups: ne.general,rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Incident on Boston (MBTA) Commuter Rail
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:09:44 GMT
Organization: The Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA

Could the loud "pop" be a torpedo?
				dave
Xref: sparky ne.general:3526 rec.railroad:10058
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 11:22:28 EST
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: ne.general,rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Incident on Boston (MBTA) Commuter Rail
 <EMERY.92Dec17170944@dr_no.mitre.org>

More likely the Pop was the brakes dumping..  Our MU's dump from
time to time.. Not usually from going through signals though more often
from wheel slip/slide conditions.  The sound we hear is more of a short loud
whoosh rather than a pop.. but the stopping of the train is pretty quick
and leaves clouds of white smoke from the brakes..

Robert
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Logan Airport Parking Garage
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:18:10 EST (Mon)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)

>>I have heard some horror stories about the Logan Airport Parking Garage ...

>The only horror I've encountered is the hassle you get from the cops if
>you try to wait for your party at the curbside.

The main horror story about the Logan garages is how much they cost, now
$13 per day.  I haven't had any particular trouble getting in or out.  The
clerks certainly don't try to slow you down, it's not like they're on
commission.

Two helpful hints for waiting for incoming people:

A) At the terminals with two levels, tell incoming people that you'll meet
them on the upper level, the one marked Departures.  The upper levels are
much less crowded than the lower levels and I've never been hassled while
waiting in the car there.

B) The cheapest place to park for an hour or two at Logan is at the
meters, where the cost is $2/hr, payable in quarters.  There are two sets
of meters, a largish area in front of terminal A and a smaller group along
the roadway between terminals D and E.  Don't confuse this latter group
with the "short term parking" lot where the attendant will charge you
$4/hr.  The cops are extremely vigilant about ticketing expired meters.
You can expect a $15 ticket within 5 minutes of your meter running out.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Subject: Re: Logan Airport Parking Garage
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:06:22 GMT


In article <1992Dec15.150837.5499@engage.pko.dec.com>, wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman) writes...
>And almost 2 hour drive from Boston!  Considering this, gas, tolls, and
>convenience I'll go to Logan any day.  Worcester airport might be an option
>for me.  Anybody knows if plane tickets are the same in price to fly to Logan
>as to Worcester, Manchaster or Hartford?
> 

Since I live in Marlboro, I fly out of Worcester occasionally.  Usually
the ticket prices aren't any different, except for some promotions from
Boston.  

Advantages:  For me, quicker to get to during Boston rush hours.  Even
though you have to drive through downtown Worcester, and over a long
route of surface streets to get to the airport, the traffic is almost
never a problem.

             The terminal is very small, and the parking close.  You can
park and get checked in in minutes.

      	     Parking is cheaper than Logan, but not by much.  It's (gasp)
$7/day, since they need to pay for the new terminal they're building.  This
is offset by the wide variety of transportation options I have to Logan
(limos or the Framingham Massport bus) which makes taking a limo to Logan
cheaper for long trips.  (Actually, doesn't the Logan weekly parking rate
top out at $49/wk?  And long-term parking may be even cheaper, although
less convenient.)

Disadvantages:  Only 2 airlines and 4 destinations served, meaning you have
to connect for almost any destination, maybe twice.  Continental only serves
Newark, and only with turboprops (ugh).  USAir serves LaGuardia with a 
turboprop and Pittsburgh and Philly with very small jets.  If these 2 air-
lines don't serve your final destination, then your total fare is likely
to be higher than getting a more appropriate airline out of Logan.

      	     Weather!  The airport is on top of a hill, and is easily
closed by wind, fog, snow, etc.  I don't use Worcester in the winter.
From: jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:53:38 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
>>Perhaps. But one thing the MBTA does well is safety. I've heard horror
>>stories about the NYC subway, but I never feel unsafe on the T.
>
>Don't believe a word of it, obviously those people lived to tell their
>stories, how bad could it have been?
>
>
>-- 
>        -Barry Shein
>
>Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
>Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD

Well, I don't usually ride the T, but I generally do not hear about people
getting robbed on it, unlike the New York subways...  When I was on an Amtrak
train that stopped at Penn Station in NYC we(all the passengers) were told to
hold on to our purses and such, and not to leave them unattended, as they might
get stolen.  And this on a train  that has conductors all over it!!

Jessica


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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:06:28 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>>LOTS of stores are allowed to be open on Sunday now.  And I don't mean
>>>this "few weeks before Christmas" stuff either ... I mean all year long.
>>>Why should liquor stores be treated any differently?
>
>>They shouldn't be.
>>Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
>
>Agreed.  I wonder why they still are.  I guess historically it has to
>do with religious beliefs.  But in this day and age, with the separation
>of church and state and all, all businesses should be treated equally.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Which would seem to imply that the seperation of the church and state was a
relatively recent idea. It's in  the Constitution!
-- 
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I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1glr2uINN7q@early-bird.think.com> <HROSE.92Dec15200301@rocza.eff.org>
	<1992Dec16.202055.512@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:25:44 GMT

John> == John F Carr <jfc@grouse.dsg.dec.com> 

 John> In article <HROSE.92Dec15200301@rocza.eff.org>
 John> 	hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:

>        Buses scheduled to leave subway stations after 12:45 am wait for
>        the last train before departing.

 John> In theory.  They sometimes don't wait.

When have they ever not waited? I've been on the last bus more than once
that has waited for whatever concert train to come into South Station
before leaving.....

--Helen
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Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:11:50 GMT


From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
>[A long attempt at a line-by-line flame of me, I'd give it a C+]

Ah but you were more likely to be my student than the other way
around...

>If you have been reading the posts in this newsgroup, you'd see that most (not
>all) of the people here feel that the "blue laws" are out of date, and no
>longer needed.

Doubtless, I am sure this list is well represented with people who
might man liquor stores on Sundays...let us allow the wolves to vote
the fate of the sheep.

>Your opinion is in the minority.

Among perhaps 10 people on ne.general...?

>I feel lucky that the majority seem to share my opinion
>of the "blue laws."

No doubt, if I were you I would feel lucky also...

>When you resort to a public attack by flaming me, all it shows is your closed
>mindedness towards the subject.

Sorry sir, you were the first with the insults, go look back at the
notes.

Here, I will help you out: The first time I ever saw a note from Mr
Miracle:

>Most sane people (I guess that excludes you Barry) now see that the Blue Laws
>are pointless.

I suppose someone working from your point of view might not consider
that an insult, but rather just a defense...

G'night sweet prince.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Newsgroups: ne.general
From: tonym@world.std.com (Tony Matt)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.164336.27788@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>>>The bottom line is that it isn't because "they" (the infamous "they" :-)
>>>aren't trying to restrict the "number of days of doing business" ... but
>>>are enforcing laws enacted based on beliefs of the Puritans 200 years ago.
>>
>>There's no doubt they derive from what you describe, but isn't it
>>possible that for other, secular reasons they turn out to be practical
>>to keep?
>>
>>I mean, hey, the bible says thou shalt not kill, but I'm not sure we
>>should legalize murder just for the sake of separation of church and
>>state...!
>This has to be the single worst argument I've seen in years

I rather liked it, myself.

>Do you really think that allowing (not mandating, allowing) stores to stay
>open on Sunday is comprable to allowing murder?

I beleive what he was trying to point out was that the fact that a law was
originated for religious reasons does not constitute a mandate to strike 
it down for reasons of 'separation of church and state' in this more
enlightened era.

Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:11:01 GMT

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>This thread is titled "Sunday Liquor Sales".  However most, if not all
>>of the articles I've read so far have concerned sales of "anything" in
>>stores on Sundays.
>>LOTS of stores are allowed to be open on Sunday now.  And I don't mean
>>this "few weeks before Christmas" stuff either ... I mean all year long.
>>Why should liquor stores be treated any differently?

>They shouldn't be.
>Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP

Agreed.  I wonder why they still are.  I guess historically it has to
do with religious beliefs.  But in this day and age, with the separation
of church and state and all, all businesses should be treated equally.
-- 
heiser@world.std.com
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: A job that BZS left off his list
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:25:25 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

There is one rather significant little job are 
missing from BZS's impressive list, that of small rental property owner.

So how about it Barry? You want to buy my 4-unit building in Cambridge?
I'll give you a good price.

It is even zoned for commercial use. Make a great place to run world.std.com,
say out of the 2nd floor. If you can get permission to do so from the
rent control board. You can live in the forth floor and commute to work
via stairwell. 


-gjc
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:28:15 GMT
	<HROSE.92Dec15171338@rocza.eff.org> <1glr2uINN7q@early-bird.think.com>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

There's no GOOD reason why we can't have automated token vending
machines, like most major American and European cities do. These
systems can reduce station staff at night. There IS a cost to 
operating the system late. There is also an extremely high cost to the
city of mopping up accidents at night. I bet the break-even point
is fairly low. 

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From: gbalzano@black.clarku.edu (Guy David BAlzano)
Subject: Re: W. MA art museum info wanted
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Distribution: ne
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:15:12 GMT

bsmith@osf.org () writes:

>I have heard there is a wonderful, perhaps small, art museum in western
>Massachusetts. Williamstown? Anyone have a clue? I just can't remember any
>more than that.

>Bruce Smith
>bsmith@osf.org

Depends on how far west you mean.  The Worcester Art Museum is a very
good Museum (even world class in some people's opinon).  It was recently
featured on CBS's Sunday Morning.  

					Joe
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:45:13 GMT

bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
>>To those of us who work long days, or work & go to school, or <insert
>>your favorite keep-you-busy activity here>, it is difficult to get anything
>>done with everything closed on Sunday and many things open only a part-day
>>on Saturday.  Back when I had a schedule that had weekdays off and I 
>>worked weekends, I had MUCH more flexibility in getting things done
>>(i.e. I could do things when businesses were open).

>But Bill, what good is that gonna do when YOUR employer demands you
>come in on Sunday?

Essentially they already do - as a salaried employee, I'm expected 
to "do what it takes to get the job done."  If a user calls on Sunday
and says he "has to get this build done for a Customer demo Monday 
morning", I best help him out.  :-)     I'm sure i wouldn't get fired
for not doing it, but the point is in the long term it would matter.

>Who do you think mans those stores? Robots? When are they supposed
>to shop?

They'd shop on their days off, which would turn out to be weekdays :-)

>This whole side of the argument really amounts to: *I'm* white collar,
>*I* get Sunday off (and I'd raise holy hell if *I* didn't), and
>dammit, I want SERVICE! To hell with anyone who has to come in on
>Sunday to give it to me, that's their problem.
>Right?

Sorry, I disagree.  See the above.  I would be the first to admit
that a salaried worker being paged at home isn't exactly the same
thing as a blue collar worker being told "be here or be fired".   But
it still boils down to "having to" work.   

In fact, there are several weeks per year when I am on call 24 hours per
day for 7 days (luckily we have enough people in our group to keep it down
to that "few weeks per year")...

>I mean, let's at least draw some lines here and not make it sound like
>it's something everyone can or should be able to relate to.

If I was someone who left the office at 5:00 and forgot about work,
I'd agree with you.  I guess it varies depending on the individual
and his/her particular work environment.  I, for one, feel nearly as
committed to support my users when I'm at home as when I'm at work.
Well, "nearly". :-)
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