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From: dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "Readability, Signal strength" reports
Date: 23 Jul 1992 07:09:38 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

jeffj@seeker.mystic.com writes:
>How would one designate those CW signals that sound like Whoop whoop? A
>RST with a W on the end? 8-)  Actually this is a semi serious question.
>What are the technical reasons for these signals going whoop whoop? Almost
>impossible to copy by the way.
>
You can fix it by retuning until the signal goes "weeoo-weeoo", or "wooee-
wooee". :-)   Semi-seriously, I'd report it as a "C" for chirp.

73
Dube Todd          AB5AP         <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>
From: oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: tough life?
Keywords: never
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:26:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny) complains:

>You say you've got it tough?

>When I was a novice, we didn't have telegraph keys;

>We ran A-0 emission, plugged our transmitters into the 
>switched wall outlet, and stood by the doorway, toggling
>the light switch.

>I tell yah - it was rough!

Light switches?  Looxury, lad, looxury!   We had to get up at 6 a.m. 
and carve cats' whiskers out of blocks of galena.  Then our dad would
make us grind lumps of graphite to make headphones.  Then we had to
operate the treadmill to charge up the batteries.  We really had to
shout to make ourselves heard in the next county with those rigs -
I was glad when they invented the microphone, I can tell 'ee, lad.
Tell that to the young people of today, they just won't believe you.


Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 
oo7@emx.utexas.edu
From: enge@almaden.ibm.com (Roy Engehausen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RACES Bulletin #232
Date: 25 Jul 1992 08:47:45 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

BID: $RACESBUL.232

TO:    ALL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCIES/OFFICES VIA THE ARS
INFO:  ALL RACES OPERATORS IN CA (ALLCA: OFFICIAL)
       ALL AMATEURS U.S.         (@ USA: INFORMATION)
FROM:  CA STATE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES (W6HIR @ WA6NWE.CA)
       2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA  95832  (916)427-4281
RACESBUL.232                                 DATE: July 27, 1992
SUBJECT:  MGT: Administering the flow of responders

     One vital task that befalls the telecommunications manager
during an emergency is to screen the communications volunteers
who respond; especially the intermittent flow of those that come
out of the woodwork at such times.  It's not that they're not
wanted or needed, it's just that their usefulness may be other
than what they expect, depending on various factors.  During an
emergency is NOT the time to train in such things as tactical
calls, the agency structure, proper identification, prowords, net
procedures, and other items learned only over time and practice.
     However one may view it, the pressures on the Radio Officer,
staff, and operators can be far too great during an emergency
situation to put up with untrained operators or a partially
trained ego-centric know-it-all who inadvertently fouls up any
situation however well meaning.
     Part of the value of training is that it alerts the manager
to these types in advance so adjustments can be made (including
specialized training) as appropriate.  The aversion to training
by many people is natural for several reasons.  Perhaps another
term should be used to emphasize that what is needed and benefi-
cial is simulated emergency activity on an on-going basis.  This
insures that the practices and mindset so vital to emergency
operations become second nature and automatic.
     That's the essential difference the Radio Officer or Emer-
gency Coordinator looks for -- the operator whose participation
and natural abilities are those that develop from actual partici-
pation and time in service.                ---Cary Mangum, W6WWW

EOM

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dem@meaddata.com (David Myers)
Subject: Re: PRO-43 Scanner Comments
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:15:10 GMT

Murphy> While I do not own a scanner or plan to purchase one, why I am
Murphy> being put into a conflict with the rules of my home bbs.  No
Murphy> commericial use of the mail or newsgroups.

   Any rules about mail usage on your own system are irrelevant.  It's
unreasonable for you to expect the other million or so users on the
net to comply with them.  Thousands of sites pay for the privilege of
using mail any way they please, they just don't route it over those
portions of the Internet that have restrictions against commercial use.

Murphy> I feel your post is in violation. And why post in
Murphy> rec.amateur.radio and shortwave.

   Several people *asked* Paul to relay their thoughts to his
purchasing folks.  So many of us mailed him our suggestions, and he
posted a thank you note in reply.  Everybody benefits, and no money
exchanges hands.

Murphy> If you want a advertisment, send it snail mail...

   It's really pushing it to call this advertising.

   As for Paul posting an announcement about the new scanner
containing useful specifications (and lacking marketing hype - it
didn't even contain a price!), I think most people here appreciate
that.  One of us could have typed in the same information and posted
it, so the fact that someone from Tandy beat us to it hardly
constitutes commercial use of the newsgroup.

   It seems like half the discussions in this group are about the
benefits of purchasing various equipment.  Are these in violation,
too?  Or are you saying you just want to discriminate against those
who actually work for equipment manufacturers?  What do you feel about
Bob Parnass' equipment reviews?  These might actually lead to someone
purchasing something (they did in may case, actually).  And he
mentions prices!  Call the cops...

--
David Myers                                             (513) 865-1343   
Mead Data Central           No news is             Fabrication Systems
P.O. Box 933                 bad news.                dem@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401                             ...!uunet!meaddata!dem
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)
Subject: Re: music over the radio
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:27:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering

In article <bs5ikb.3x6@wang.com> dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong) writes:
>pcl@engrserver.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
>
>>Hmmm... if I digitze music, uuencode it (being careful not to *encrypt* it...),
>>then send it to by buddy via packet (ax.25 or tcp/ip, I'm not picky [yet]), is 
>>it still against the rules????         
>
>That's already been done - I read about it in one of the Ham mags a year
>or two ago.  It was done just to show that the rules need to be revisited
>from time to time (nobody was cited for it, either).

Just because no one got cited doesn't mean it is ok.  I seem to remember
driving above the speed limit once, and didn't get cited.

But, let's be serious here.  The no music rule was first added to part 97
back in the early days of voice radio.  Back then test equipment was
scarce, and so were helpful assistants, so a common way of testing your AM
transmitter was to hook up the record player, and aim it at the microphone
and listen while you fiddled with modulators, etc. for the best sound.

Well, when commercial broadcasting of music started to become popular, a
curious thing happened among the amateurs, seems that they spent all of their
time testing their AM transmitters :-).

Somewhere in this time period, the FCC split the radio users into those who
wanted to communicate, and those who wanted to broadcast.  When they did this,
they created an amateur communication type of license (but omitted an amateur
broadcasting license, hmm?).  The rules describing this service specifically
forbid amateurs from broadcasting (eg. non 2-way), and specifically forbid
music.

I suspect that these rules were put in to placate the commercial broadcasters,
who would lose audience to the amateur broadcasters.  Remember the golden rule?
... He who has the gold rules!

Please note that the above is just the essence of what happened.  I am not old
enough to have lived thru the period, and I am not a historian, I just remember
roughly what happened. (from a variety of accounts of the period.)

Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
chuck@eng.umd.edu
From: turner@safety.ics.uci.edu (Clark Savage Turner)
Subject: Re: Deed restriction bans all ham antennas
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:28:58 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <10918@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.023736.968@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
>|>
>|> Is anyone else aware of a deed restriction that is so restrictive as to
>|> flat out ban all ham antennas from a neighborhood?  Anyone care to

>I once looked at buying property in a place that banned not only antennas
>but also things like clothes-lines.  I made sure they could be eliminated
>before I agreed to buy the land.

>|> speculate as to what would be the best way to fight such a deed
>|> restriction?

>Why should you be able to fight them??  When you sign the deed, you are
>agreeing with all the attachments.  You have no grounds to fight them.
>You have to either have them removed before you buy or look for another
>piece of property.  The restrictions constitute a contract that you are
>willingly entering into.  It's not like restrictive ordinances which can
>be passed after the fact.

>bill    KB3YV

A really GOOD point, Bill.  This is what a lot of hams miss when looking
at property...the bargaining power they might have.  The moral: ALWAYS
research the deed and review all the restrictions AS WELL AS the local
ordinances.  The deed restrictions are MUCH HARDER to fight, as they
are part of the "contract" you agree to when you buy the property (as viewed
by the Courts).  Our sense of fairness is occasionally offended here in
So. Calif. (and elsewhere) where there are very few places that do not
contain deed restrictions.  The whole market becomes one of "take it or
leave it" respecting deed restrictions.  That is a hard problem, and only
the market can eventually (hopefully) shake it out.  But the only sure
bet to protect your ham antenna privileges is to obtain a deed without all
the restrictions up front.

.....................

Clark Savage Turner
Safety Critical Software Group			home:
Department of Info. and Computer Science	1514 Verano Place
Irvine, CA. 92717				Irvine, CA. 92715
(714) 856 4049					(714) 856 2131

WA3JPG, QRP #3526, active on HF, VHF and UHF.
Admitted to practice law in California, Massachusetts, and New York.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68 ARLB068
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:34:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1504@idacrd.UUCP> n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:
>There is only one problem with the Ostrich approach Jay and that is
>the simple counts to provide the demographics behind Paul's statement
>are not subject to interpretation, either emotionally or literally.

OK...what are YOU doing about it? (I know full well that you've been a major
contributor to ham radio, far more than I can claim. The question is generic.)

The problem I have with Paul's statement is that it oversimplifies the issue.
Yes, the ham population is aging. Here's a clue, though: So is the general
population. Further, Paul's statement does nothing towards helping the
problem. Even more so, it completely ignores and belittles the many
contributions to ham radio and the great amount of hard work put in to the
League by folks my age and younger. (I'm about to turn 32, for those who don't
have access to a callsign server.) 

>Amateur radio is aging at an incredible rate as we are losing relevance to
>today's youth.  The recent attempts to do something about this seem to
>be basically stopping the slide into smaller and smaller numbers as the
>amateur population dies off.

Well, we have no-code. It was supposed to be the panacea. Where's the flood of
10-year-olds we were promised?

>Rest assured that we had all better provide
>active support to Fiber Optic networks, etc. for most telecommunications
>services outside of Land Mobile if we are to relieve the pressure on
>amateur radio spectrum, and we must also ACTIVELY seek new approaches
>to attracting the youth of the world to amateur radio.

I can't argue these two statements. Where's the beef? How does producing $800
DSP TNCs with every whiz-bang feature known to man help bring in the youth of
the world?

Is there a real new approach out there?
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
  "An empty stomach is not a good political adviser." -- [edible] fortune
          cookie, received the night Perot withdrew from candidacy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
Subject: Re: HTX202 in shop since June 8  8-( 8-(
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:58:50 GMT

It is unfortunate you had problems with your HTX-202.  I've had mine for
about 4+ months and no problems.  I also left my job at a Radio Shack
about 4 weeks ago.  AT the time I left, the repair manual was not available
to the tech shops. (I backordered one for myself :-)

If your radio is still within it's original waranty period, I'd recommend
getting the TSP, or extended warranty.  This will give youa total of five
years warranty.  R.S. also seems to be more eager to please the customer
when said customer has bought the warranty plan.  For $39.95, it's a good
deal.  I have had no trouble leaving mine on 24 hours a day for the last
few months as my packet radio...

** caveat on semi-related topic - don't buy the soft case now available.
   it's super cheap (construction wise) and even though it's only about
   $10, still not worth it...

-- 
============================================================================
| Jeff Meyers      |  jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu      | 3943'N  12148'W   |
| Chico, Ca 95926  |  KD6DIS@KE6LW.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA  | Grid: CN80-CM99 ??  |
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From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED : ICOM Customer Service phone number
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:50:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok) writes:

>Unfortunately, I cannot comment on customer abuse -- all my callers are
>volunteers for a research experiment and are fully cooperative.

I don't know what specific kinds of abuses CS numbers might encounter,
but I have heard that the clone computer makers are getting what they
consider "abuse" at 60% to 75% rates (by number of calls).  These are
often cases of people asking how to operate the computer.  But they are
writing off this abuse for the most part as part of keeping their business
in good standing with their (shinking) customer base.

One of the things I call the radio manufacturer CS number for is to get
technical info on products that is not available in the literature, or
is explained ambiguously.  For instance some radios have one memory space
that can store a frequency from any band, and some other radios have a
separate memory space for each band and that memory can only hold a
frequency for its associated band.  The sales people have no comprehension
of the difference.  One radio might have 20 memories and another have
10 on 1 band and 10 on another but they advertise it as 20 (total, yeah,
but only 10 for the most used band).  At least the technical people know
this stuff because they get to play with most of the radios.  I understand
that even this is getting cut back.

I hope they don't think it is an "abuse" to get technical info above and
beyond what the sales/marketing people are trying to feed me.

Next month:  Why ICOM doesn't allow allband receive on the UHF side of
their dualband transceivers, and limits coverage to just 1/3 of the band.
-- 
/***********************************************************************\
| Phil Howard  ---  KA9WGN  ---  pdh@netcom.com   |   "The problem with |
| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
\***********************************************************************/
From: stone@Apple.COM (Glen "CRASH" Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Comments on ICOM IC-2SRA
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:21:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Oh Hi,

I've had a 2SRA for a while now and I really like it. The scanner
section actually goes from 25mhz to 950mhz- no gaps. It works well,
I regularly listen to CHP on 42 mhz. The are good things and bad things,
I'll list them.

Good things

The 2m section has extended receive range typical of current day 2m rigs

Both sections can operate concurrently.... this is great. For example,
when in the forest, I use the scanner section to search for rangers, when
I find a freq. I put it in the 2m section and have the 2m section scan the
memory channels of new freqs.

It has tone squelch... it will only stop scanner if the proper subaudible
tone is detected.

Has a signal strength meter

The display light can stay on for ever if you want

When searching between two end points you can delete freqs that it stops
on that you don't want... a very good feature.

You can just enter a frequency to listen to it with out putting it in memory,
I wish you could do that on RS scanners

Bad things

Hokey antenna mount, 1/8" headphone jack, for the scanner section. I 
thought it wouldn't last, but it seems to be doing okay.

It doesn't have "banks" like the RS scanners. Also, it is down on memory
channels- 60 for scanner 30 for 2m. But since you don't have banks I
don't miss the memory.

Summary

I've had a PRO 34 and an AOR1000. I like the 2SRA the best. I bought it
as a scanner, however having the 2m just sitting there motivated me...

-Glen KD6IOB
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rossi@gvlf9-q.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi)
Subject: WANTED : ICOM Customer Service phone number
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp (A Unisys Company), Great Valley Labs, PA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:12:35 GMT

I recently bought an ICOM IC-24AT dual band HT.   Now that I have used it
for a few weeks, I have a some questions about a few minor quirks that I
have noticed.  Is there a Customer Service number at ICOM that I can call
to get my questions answered?

=================================================================
Pete Rossi - WA3NNA                  rossi@gvl.unisys.com

Paramax Systems Corporation - a Unisys Company
Electronic Systems - Valley Forge Labs - Paoli, Pennsylvania
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:11:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <711996106snx@skyld.UUCP>, jangus@skyld.UUCP (Jeff Angus) writes:
|> 
|>   > > If it means you have to walk 50 feet to a call box and wait an hour
|>   > > like the rest of humanity, THAT is merely an inconvience and doesn't
|>   > > justify using the auto patch. 
|>   > 
|>   > Bullshit.
|> 
|> I love it. When you can't offer a rational rebuttal use profanity.

But what should he do, when you so badly deserved it [profanity]?

|>         Now back to the ORIGINAL POINT of this. The key phrase is imminent
|> danger of loss of life (or property). Large traffic accident? Bodies laying
|> about? Blocking traffic lanes? Vehicle burning? Use whatever means available
|> to call for assistance. 

Does your vehicle have to start BURNING in order to make it
emergency? Simply staying on a highway shoulder is not a
problem? Truck which MIGHT come and flatten your car
(and you) is not a danger? 

OK, fine. I'll use autopatch in such situation, and
you walk to the nearest call box (about a couple of 
miles), and let's hope you get hit, so less of such
"experts" will be hanging around. Natural selection.

|> Car ran out of gas because you thought that E means
|> enough? 

Depends on where it happened. In the middle of Arizona
Desert, or in your garage? 

|> Sorry, that's not imminent loss of life time. Get on the radio,
|> tell you friends or call your wife and tell her you'll be a 
|> bit late.

Yeah... Possibly a life late... I hope you abide by your
interpretation of the rules, so the society will soon be
free of one more "armchair home-brew lawyer".

Regards,
Uri.
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tucker@eedsp.gatech.edu (Jeff Tucker)
Subject: Field Day Bulletin needed
Originator: tucker@fisher.eedsp.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:11:18 GMT

Well, through my own blunder, I managed to lose the field day
bulletin.  And here it is time to send in the logs.  If anyone
has a copy of the bulletin that they could send me, I'd really
appreciate it.  Looks live we've bettered our score this year,
and I hate to lose the points.

Thanks and 73
Jeff N9HZQ
-- 
---------------------------
Jeff Tucker                         N9HZQ, EMT-A
tucker@eedsp.gatech.edu             Graduate Student, Electrical Engineering
May all your throws be bulls!       Georgia Institute of Technology
From: rliles@heimdall.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ray Liles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:42:17 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

Why is it everyone tries to ignore rules or find loop holes?

If you simply checkout Part 97 you will find the following:

97.115 Music prohibited.

The transmission of music by an amateur station is forbidden.


Now, how simple can you get!  It didn't list any exceptions (autopatch music,
etc.).  It doesn't allow *any* room for interpretation.  It doesn't say
*broadcast*  it says *transmission* of music.  So, until the rules are changed,
let's try to abide by them.

Ray Liles - WA4VME
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: djenkins@wang.com (Dave Jenkins)
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:42:07 GMT

jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:

>1. It's either business or it isn't. If it isn't business
>related, it's legal. 

Jim,
  I understand what you are saying and am quite clear on what is business
and what isn't.  Or at least I WAS until the other day when I received
a booklet from the ARRL "Welcome to Amateur Radio - All About FM Repeater
Operation" by Brian Battles, WS1O.  Clearly, it was intended to arrive BEFORE
I got my ticket and keyed up for the first time.  (So it was 1.5 months late.)

There are a few seeming contradictions in that booklet which I would be glad
to comment on to the appropriate person (WS1O isn't in the usenet list).

One issue covered in that booklet confused me: The age old issue of calling
for help from the Highway.  I understood that I cannot call AAA or a tow
truck via the autopatch because it is CLEARLY business for the other party
even though it is rescue traffic to me.  This booklet suggests that this is OK
since it has to do with potential loss of human life or property.
(I would quote chapter and verse, but, I left it on the table at home.)

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