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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:52:47 GMT

It is my understanding that many U.S. cheesemen switch
between animal and vegetable enzymes as the price 
fluctuates.  This is much like many Nabisco baked
products which say "Animal and/or vegetable shortening".
I also have heard that most Europeen cheesemen use 
animal enzymes exclusively.

As for the infertile eggs, yes, chickens do ovulate
without having sex.  However, the most commercial eggs
come from factory farms where the hens are given large
doses of hormones so they produce lots of eggs.  This
leads to the interesting question of the health risks
of eating those hormones.  Additionally, the productive
life of a laying hen in a factory farm is about two
months, and they are McNuggets.  So there is an additional
moral question of supporting an inhumane system by buying
eggs.  

I, for one, eat few eggs and prefer rennetless cheese
(when I can get it).  However, IMO eating eggs and 
animal enzyme cheeses is better than eating meat
itself.  Maybe someday food producers will make it 
easier to avoid animal products completely (and at a
reasonable price).

By the way, have fellow net members comments about
other animal ingredients in such things as toothpastes,
cosmetics, packaging, etc.  It seems that industry has
found a use somewhere for everything but the squeal.
~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: non-leather cycling shoes
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:46:19 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

My old leather cycling shoes are falling apart and since I'm now commited
to a boycott of animal products I'll need some non-leather replacements.
Anyone know of any? The sort I want are kind of cycle training shoes. Light
and stiff but cleatless so I can walk around in them as well as cycle, but
not hefty mountain bike type shoes. Sort of racing shoes with a bit more
padding in the soles.

Any  brand names, prices or sources, particularly UK sources, would be
welcome.

Thanks, Mark
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,alt.co-ops,uiuc.general
From: totic@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Aleksandar Totic)
Subject: Re: Co-op house forming in Urbana for fall, veg-friendly
Keywords: housing, vegetarian, roommate wanted, $200 or less, Urbana
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: il
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:54:23 GMT

In <Brq2vr.J7B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:

>jrw27953@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon W.) writes:

>>	        Six or seven people would live in the house.

>If I remember correctly, there is an ordinance in either U or C, 
>or maybe both, or maybe its a county or even state law, that no more
>than 4 unrelated people can live in the same place.  

How can they be unrelated when they live in the same house?

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young (x37176)]
Subject: Re: Veg burgers--is this as good as it gets?
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:21:55 GMT

In article <92211.174107KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET> <KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>I am a 3/4 vegetarian, and I've been trying to find something to satisfy
>my occasional cravings for any hearty food besides pasta and rice.  I
>bought a meatless burger mix called Nature's Burger made by Fantastic
>Foods.  It's ok, but not great.  This is the only brand I can find
>around here in the supermarkets.  Can anyone who has tasted this brand
>tell me if this is as good as meatless burgers can be?  P.S.I'm not
>into cooking with Tofu.   Any help would be appreciated!
>                          Kathleen


	I won't presume to speak for all varieties of veggie burgers, but
	my experience with them is that they really don't substitute well
	in either taste or texture for meat-based burgers, ___BUT___ they
	are often quite good in their own right.  It's rather like the old
	argument about French varietal wines vs. the California varieties:
	if you're expecting a French wine from California, you're doomed
	to disappointment (less so today, though, than in the past), but
	if you're looking for a fine wine, then California wines fill the
	bill quite nicely; just don't expect a California burgundy to
	taste like a French burgundy.

	Some veggie burgers are very tasty; none of them is an acceptable
	substitute for ground sirloin, but that's not necessarily a fault.

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Don't get angry, get accurate information.
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:10:27 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: France Re: Review of Two Vegan Books


>Certainly Dr. Kurt Ellison, a cardiologist at Boston University
>	interviewed by '60 Minutes' because he is familiar with the French
>	'paradox' and is presently launching a study to compare the French
>	diet to deits in other countries, doesn't agree that American
>	school children should give up milk.  'We need calcium, and milk
>	is our main source of that nutrient,' he says.  In fact, Dr. Ellison
>	explains, calcium is more important now than ever.  The reason is 
>	that Americans are living longer and therefore are at greater risk
>	of developing osteoporosis in their later years, which calcium
>	early in life can help stave off.  Moreover, Dr. Ellison says,
>	evidence is coming to light that dietary calcium may help keep
>	down blood pressure, which at high levels is a proven risk factor
>	for heart disease."

Yawn....

Does it ever end?
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:53:54 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Jul28.234817.22008@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>- The eggs in the supermarket, would they hatch if incubated ?
>
>In almost all cases they would not hatch as they have not been fertilized,
>sexual fulfillment does play a part in most chickens lives.
>
Oops! That should be does *not* play a part!


-- 
Michael Traub
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: pinky@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Burbank)
Subject: ameranth
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:25:23 GMT

just got some ameranth and started playing around with it.
anyone out their got info on or recipes fort this neat little gem?

Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:7192 rec.food.restaurants:1594
From: charring@warwick.crd.ge.com (Sam Charrington)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Veg. Restaurants in Chicago
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:11:10 GMT
Organization: General Electric Corporate R & D

In article <1992Jul21.190347.14629@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, cindyf@eos.arc.nasa.gov 
(Cindy Ferguson) writes:
|> I will be attending Siggraph next week in Chicago and I would like to get
|> recommendations on restaurants serving vegetarian entrees.  I would like

There is a recent issue of Vegetarian Times magazine (June or July) that has an
article about veg restaurants in Chicago.  If you can't get your hands on a copy,
let me know and I can post more details.

I picked up the magazine especially for that article, because I will be attending
school there in the fall.

By the way, anyone know about restaurants, coops, natural foods stores in
Evanston?


-- 
Sam Charrington
charring@warwick.crd.ge.com

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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:50:58 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:

> In article <1992Jul18.010021.2759@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writ
> >In article <1992Jul17.094441.5652@iscsvax.uni.edu> howard@iscsvax.uni.edu wr
> >>I agree with Cher about the sugar part. But I prefer sweeteners like
> >>brown rice syrup, maple syrup, date sugar, and concentrated fruit juice. 
> >
> >Which are all sugar.
> >
> 'Fraid not, the above consist of fructose, not sugar (sucrose). They also
> have a lower percentage of simple carbohydrates than sugar.

this is in error.  ttab;e sugar is a sugar, but so is fructose (fruit 
sugar), lactose (milk sugar), maltose (malt sugar), and so on.  sugar is 
an umbrella term for a number of things, not just the white stuff some of 
us put in coffee...
 
                                     -ailsa

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com   or   io81409@maine.maine.edu
 
are you on fire         what will replace the rent with the stars above,
from the years,         replace the need with love,
what will you give      replace the anger with the tide,
for your kid fears?     replace the ones, the ones, the ones that you love?
From: oldman@coos.dartmouth.edu (Prakash Das)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Bananas and Digestion
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:02:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <24JUL199207140018@bestsd.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.230243.9310@ncsu.edu>, eamayne@eos.ncsu.edu (ELIZABETH ANNE writes...
>> 
>>The only thing that I've heard about bananas is that you 
>>shouldn't eat them on an empty stomach. 
>> 
>
>I eat lot's o' bananas, including 'on an empty stomach', and have never had a 
>problem with digesting them. 

Bananas are among the most easily digestable foods. You might have
a stomach ache after eating *apples* on an empty stomach, not 
bananas. It's the fiber in apples that causes the ache.

-PD
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: arr1@quads.uchicago.edu (Tyger Tyger)
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Vegan)
Reply-To: arr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:21:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.044606.22539@abo.fi> abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.115151.4300@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.141930.28533@abo.fi>, abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>>> In article <1992Jul20.174145.13482@reed.edu> zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) writes:
>>[....]
>>>>1 cup tofu (cubed)
>>>>1 egg
>>> 
>>> *** ??? ***
>>> 
>>>>1 medium tomatoe (diced)
>>> 
>>> Dan Quayle for president
>>>>
>>>>I will send more shortly!
>>> 
>>> Vegetarian only, please.
>>
>>I *DON'T* believe it.  Zeke goes through the trouble to post a whole
>>bunch of recipes and you flame him 
>
>There is no flame. I am polite enough to avoid inflamatory words.
>
>> for including *ONE* ovo one?  Sheesh,
>> just leave out the egg.
>
>Eggs are by no means vegetarian. Before you tell me to read the FAQ, I
>will say that I don't agree with everything  that is in there. I don't
>want any more of the kind of experience I had in Vienna - I was  asked
>if beef was OK when I said I was vegetarian. Thanks to the definitions
>of vegetarianism.
>-- 
>A. Bulsari                                       Tel.  358 (21) 654 721
>V{rmeteknik, ]bo Akademi                         Fax   358 (21) 654 792
>Va"rmeteknik, A'bo Akademi   (for the non-Scandinavian screen impaired)
>SF 20500 Turku, Finland                          Tlx  57 62301 AABIB SF

If there is one thing I hate, it's jugmental Veggies! Ovo-lacto veggies
are no better or worse than vegans, you pompous butt head.

And by the way, many people DO consider eggs to be vegetarian because 
they are simply non-fertilized ova. Just like apples or oranges.

A.
From: rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hegins Pigeon Shoot
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:14:04 GMT
Reply-To: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Followup-To: rec.food.veg,rec.hunting,talk.bizarre,misc.test,talk.politics.guns
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

Ferrell S. Wheeler writes:


)                  THE FUND FOR ANIMALS PRESENTS:
 
)  OUR 1992 CONFERENCE FOR THE ANIMALS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
)                   HEGINS PIGEON SHOOT PROTEST
 
<Details deleted>

)                   PRELIMINARY CONFERENCE SCHEDULE
 
)  8:00 am - Registration and continental breakfast
)  9:00 am - Welcome and announcements
)  9:15 am - Speakers
) 12:00 pm - Our famous tex-mex buffet
)  1:00 pm - Featured speakers and workshops
)  5:00 pm - Cash bar, social hour, dinner buffet, keynote speakers

Will the "famous tex-mex buffet" and the dinner buffet be vegetarian????
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Tissue Culture
Summary: Would it be ok to eat animal cell cultures?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:28:58 GMT

Since cells can be cultured artificially and grown as an undifferentiated
mass of cells, thus not being an organism, would it be MORALLY correct
to eat, say cow muscle cell culture? Lets assume the donor animal was not
sacrificed.

 I am just interested in the moral aspects of this for now, and do not 
advocate for or against this idea.
Allen
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young] (x37176)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Bananas and Digestion
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:58:48 GMT
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <1992Jul23.134938.19423@crd.ge.com> charring@warwick.crd.ge.com (Sam Charrington) writes:

>Does anyone know about how long it takes to digest...[remainder deleted]

   Depends on what you mean by "digest".  Do you mean "break down into
   components suitable for absorption" (in which case 48 hours for red meat
   is far too long), or do you mean "until waste products exit the body" (in
   which case 48 hours for red meat is about right for people on low-fiber
   diets)?

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Don't get angry, get accurate information.
From: zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: vegan version of butter
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:31:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul29.213136.5705
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>I recommend using soy margarine. The kind my store carries is the 
>brand name "Co-op", distributed out of Minnesota. I believe soy margarine
>is reliably vegan, and seems to work well in recipies. It is available at 
>most food coops. 

Yes there are some vegan margarines out there you just have to read
the label.  Most soy margarine that I know of is vegan (it also seems
to be softer than "regualar" margarine.  My soy margarine (I forget
the brand name) seems to go rancid very quickly.  i.e. in a manner of
hours.  Has anyone else had this problem?

Zeke


-- 
                           zeke@reed.edu 
"NeXT has made it possible for Tiny Tim to over-extend himself and buy
a Ferrari for the price of a Hundai and now Tiny Tim is pissed because
the gas station attendant won't sell him gas for 3 cents a gallon."
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: eating meat (no flames, please)
From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:16:56 GMT
Organization: Telerama

warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
: rodneys@Apple.COM (Rodney Somerstein) writes:
: 
: >as a matter of course, but will be doing some travelling where it will be
: >MUCH easier to not adhere to a strict vegetarian diet.
: 
: Interesting.  I guess it depends on your understanding of "easier".  I doubt
: I would find it very easy...

You haven't done much international travelling, have you? It is very
difficult to find vegetarian (much less vegan) dishes in some foreign
lands. Combine this with the sometimes odd local eating customs and
you, too, might find it easier to give in a bit, if necessary.It is
certainly not easy on the psyche, but I'd rather be a bit mentally
discomfited than starve and be alienated by my hosts.

Just my opinion. I was only a strict vegetarian for 2 and a half
years. Now I do (don't read this if it might offend you) eat meat
occasionally. I was never a vegetarian for animal-rights reasons. I
did it for health reasons.

--Kristen
From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: a couple of questions ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:03:59 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.164606.2797@umbc3.umbc.edu> kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor) writes:
>>- The cheese that is available in the shops eg. Kraft etc, does it contain
>>  animal fat or any animal product that in the normal sense could be termed
>>  as non-vegetarian ?

>It usually contains rennet, an enzyme taken from the lining of the stomach
>of a newborn calf. One should assume a particular cheese is *not* suitable
>for vegetarians unless it is clearly labelled as such.

Are you sure? I thought I had read somewhere that some cheeses use
"vegetarian rennet" (rennin) but don't mention that they are suitable
for vegetarians. [This would mean that some cheese would be suitable
but would not be labelled as such so you would never know. Which
probably means that your last sentence is good advice.]

Philippa Hogben

pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk [reverse if posting from Janet]
From: colo@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Illan Colombick)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: soy sauce expiration
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:28:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: odie.colo.22
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).

In article <1992Jul26.021602.28814@reed.edu> zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) writes:

>I use large amounts of soy sauce and I buy it in large quantities 
>and I have never had it go bad.  I think it is too salty to grow
>anything.   Does anyone out there know anymore about this?

No. But if Coca-cola (with all that sugar, acid and secret chemical 
additive) can go mouldy (yes, 1st hand experience), then soy sauce can 
grow things. Also don't forget those bacteria they discovered living in the
earth's core (whatever) off geothermal energy. There's a lifeform  for 
every primeval (miso) soup.


>"NeXT has made it possible for Tiny Tim to over-extend himself and buy
>a Ferrari for the price of a Hundai and now Tiny Tim is pissed because
>the gas station attendant won't sell him gas for 3 cents a gallon."

Is it just coincidence or are all vegetarians also NeXT-lovers? Up New 
World Order...

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From: adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarian cookbook
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:25:12 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Some cookbook suggestions:

Anything by the Moosewood Cooperative.

The Wholefoods Cookbook - this is a *wonderful* cookbook.  It's been called the
       Joy of Cooking for the 90's.  None of the recipies use refined products 
       (white flour, processed sugar...) and it is all vegetarian.  The dishes
       also tend to be quicker and easier to prepare than the Moosewood recipies.
       I would strongly recommend to everyone to get this book, especially if it
       will be your sole vegetarian sourcebook.  


Good luck!


Andy Rothstein
adrothst@athena.mit.edu
From: strick@athena.cs.uga.edu (Sandra Strickland)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Sea Salt
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:24:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


    can someone out there please tell me the advantages that sea salt 
    has over regular table salt.  I've looked in several books and 
    can't find an answer.

				Thanks,

				Sandra
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Need sweetener substitution list
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:18:19 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world



I've got recipes that call for sugar, and others that call for honey or maple
syrup.  One recipe specifies brown rice syrup.  Even found one today that
wanted sucanat.

So what if I don't have the exact sweetener called for in the recipe?   I'll
use another sweetener instead, of course, but HOW MUCH?   Will one tsp of brown
sugar produce sweetness equal to 1 tsp of sucanat?   Can I use maple syrup
instead of brown rice syrup, measure for measure?

I'd like a list of what to substitute for what in order to get similarly sweet
results.  Do any of you know this stuff?

Thanks!

...Christine


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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Not-Vegan) Apology
From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:09:34 -0500
Organization: Telerama

Zeke, I don't think you need to apologise. The recipes you posted are
great. Thanks.

If the more militant vegetarians who read this newsgroup don't
appreciate your efforts, well, perhaps they should learn some
tolerance. 

Why is it that people who don't eat meat insist on proselytising?

Anyway, Zeke, thanks for the recipes.

--Kristen
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,alt.co-ops,uiuc.general
From: nagorsky@engin.umich.edu (Brian Nagorsky)
Subject: Re: Co-op house forming in Urbana for fall, veg-friendly
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:31:36 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: il

In article <Brq2vr.J7B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
>jrw27953@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon W.) writes:
>
>>	        Six or seven people would live in the house.
>
>If I remember correctly, there is an ordinance in either U or C, 
>or maybe both, or maybe its a county or even state law, that no more
>than 4 unrelated people can live in the same place.  I dont know how
>they define a "place" though.  If >4 people are living there and
>someone complains, anyone whose name isnt on the lease will get
>kicked out.  Not a pleasant thing to deal with.
>

Usually, cities have these laws.  I'm not sure what they are their to prevent
but they do usually exist.  More than x number of people in a unit refers
usually to an apartment so the houses that have about 10 people usually
are legally three aparments or some such thing.
  Fraternities, sororities, co-ops and other rooming house types structures
are exempted from this just like a dorm is.


Brian Nagorsky

P.S.  If there are co-ops out there that don't know of NASCO which is a the
bi-national student co-op umbrella orgnization should email me with your
address and they can send youstuff. Also, they have a directory that they'd
love to put you in.  

P.P.S.  If there are any co-ops out there who are renting who would like to
stay for the long term and buy a house should contact them.  
NASCO's # is 313-663-0889
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg