HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:10:53 GMT

Life is fragile and precious.

Take the time and really look at the people around you.  Assholes and saints  
alike.  Do you see some of yourself in both?  Haven't you ever had a good  
friend who wasn't at the start?  Have you ever felt like you have nowhere else  
to go?

I thought soc.motss was in one of its facets a gathering place of ideas and  
people who share something in common.

Life is such an adventure.  There are all sorts of people to meet, know, and  
love.  Those twenty-five years old friendships don't just pop up  
indiscriminately ... they are the culmination of first getting to know a person  
and then years of bullshit, hurt, fun, anxiety, trust, and love.  They don't  
just happen.  The only way the problems of the world will cease to exist is if  
we all try to be a little more friendly, share a little more love, and have a  
little bit more understanding of one another.

Think of the reasons you omit people from your personal, private circle.  You  
never know who made need something you have to give.  Will you give it freely  
or grudgingly?

Arne is right.  The choice is yours.  For the rest of your life ...

Donald

"What have we learned from history?
 Apparently nothin' ..."
                    The Young Disciples
From: keeling@cs.utk.edu (Timothy Keeling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robert Tilton off the air!
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:39:17 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
Distribution: usa

After watching Diane Sawyer go after him on Prime Time. I *knew* his 
days were numbered.  Yes there *is* a God.

-- 
Tim Keeling                              |
1020 Oak Ave #1                          | Insert standard disclaimer here..
Knoxville, TN. 37921-6332   615-523-6806 |
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quilt
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:34:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug23.073410.25980
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <dd-nzn+.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>On the other hand, donations to a suitable charity and a performance of
>>the Durufle _Requiem_ in my honor will be much appreciated.
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Yes!  I went to sleep the other night with that on the CD player.  It
>inspired a wonderful dreamy feeling in my half-awake/half-asleep state. 

You must sleep very soundly if you could sleep thru the _Dies Irae_.
It's a bit over-the-top.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: August 23
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:28:39 GMT
Organization: NIST

It's 3:30 am Eastern time.  I'm sitting alone in a hot cramped office at
the National Hurricane Center trying to get out my last forecast 
before going home.  Not a post has come in during the last two hours
to keep me company.  Where are all of you?  Sleeping (or should
that be sleeping with..., hopefully), I guess.

Tomorrow morning at 9am, all our computers will be unplugged and
put into the middle of the building (I work at Hurricane Research
Division, not with the hurricane center).  The building I work in
is located three miles off the coast of downtown Miami, and is
actually at sea level, exposed on all sides.  Once the computers
are turned off, I will be incommunicado until everything is
restored.

Daivd is out shopping for groceries.  The lines at the markets are
hours long, even at this hour.  There is no bottled water left in
the stores.  Tomorrow we make a mad search for lumber for the windows.
This is exciting and frightening at the same time.

Tomorrow we bring in everything from outdoors, rabbit included, board
up (hopefully), and wait it out.  A direct hit on Miami is likely.

Andrew's next stop may be New Orleans, so, Rendell, good luck to you
also, if this is the case.

Hope to be back soon!

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Parents...Ugh
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.161841.6884@athena.cs.uga.edu>
     heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

>I've got a pretty good network of friends who can
>offer some emotional support. But right now I feel like I'm going out
>of my mind.  I've barely been able to sleep for the last few days.
>   I just had to get all of that out. Now, I just have to wait
>and see what happens, and then figure out what to do.

   Terrance...

      It's probably not a lot to say this, but I'm rootin' for ya, and
I think most of soc.motss is too.  Get some sleep, please, you'll need
it to deal with the coming storm, whatever shape that storm takes.  Be
careful, take care, remember there are a lot of people out here in the
net who think well of you...

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Xref: sparky soc.motss:34865 alt.politics.homosexuality:5400
From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: FOLLOW IDEA: Get K & Wal-Mart for book ban
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug12.170157.13470@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes...
>Every silencing of a heresy, every enforcement of an
>orthodoxy, diminishes the toughness and resilience of our society
>and leaves it the less able to deal with stress.

Isn't there a Zen proverb: "It is the stiff branch that breaks."?  Wonderful
essay they wrote.  Thanx for posting...  Maybe this should be sent to Time-
Warner with reference to the Ice-T business.

******************************************************************************
Mike Cluff				*      I'm the person that	
v22964qs@ubvms or mike%luick@ubvms	*      the president
UB Language Perception Laboratory	*      warned you about.    
******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:55:50 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.024657.21554@csrd.uiuc.edu>
hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>>However, if you stand up for your rights in a t-shirt & shorts, or in 
>>a business suit, that is AT LEAST as effective as doing it in drag. 
>>Actually, probably more effective.  

>Nobody's asking you to go to work in a dress. 

But maybe it would be a good idea.  He could air out the
part of his body where his brains live, since he thinks
gay is a kind of sex.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR: 9 CO:2)
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:22:30 GMT

Thomas M Farrell (gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu) 
takes the first step down that slippery slope:
 
> If I remember correctly, there used to be a grammar rule that when you make
> a list of things, they would be deliniated by commas, except for between the
> last two, which would be separated by no comma, but instead would be 
> separated by the word "and." I believe this was at some point changed.
> I could be wrong, I leave this to the net.grammar.queens for further 
> analysis.

Oh boy!

My favorite subjects: Grammar Queens, punctuation, and
the Oxford comma!

I think I'll stay out of this one; I've got to polish
my soc.motss.nice tiara.

--jns
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why Benson Hedges #2 gay cigarette?
Summary: Benson and Hedges
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:52:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <90@bbx.basis.com>, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
> In article <63984@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> >The aug 13 Wall Street Journal says that cigarette companies are
> >targeting gays after they found out that Benson & Hedges is the
> >#2 cigarette for gays even though it's nowhere near the top ten
> >for all men.
> >                                             ...Is the popularity
> >of B&H from the fact that it was marketed as a woman's cigarette,
> >and a large number of gay smokers are effeminite?
> >[...]
> >Anyways, thought you folks would find it interesting.
> 
> I can't recall ever seeing a gay man smoke Benson & Hedges.  I think I
> would notice something like that.  Personally, I usually smoke 
> Lucky Strike unfiltered although I recently quit.
> 
To be honest, about 5 years ago while at college, my gay friends and I
started smoking B&H Deluxe Ultra Lights.  It seemed to be the
"popular" brand at the club (where I also worked).  Besides having a
box that looked "sophisticated", we also liked the name.  It sounded
sophisticated (I personally prefer Dunnhills for the same reasons).
Keeping in mind that none of us "really" smoked, this was, however,
our most popular brand.  A few months later, when one of my friends
got a job at a local convenience store, he told me that a lot of guys
came in asking for the H&B DUL's.  He said that he could determine the
sexual preferences of customers by the cigarettes they bought.


________________________________________________________
Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu

"...Not to say that I'm in love with you, but who's to say that I'm
not..."

MZ Rules!
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:08:20 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

In article <2a913ae1@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
 >Nearly everyone's dissatisfied with the voice they hear on
 >recordings.  That's because the voice they *think* they have
 >they usually hear through about two inches of head. 

[Turning away and covering my eyes to avoid the double entendres]

I am generally much happier with the way my voice sounds on tape
than with the way it sounds to me as I produce it.  I've come across
myself (ahem) on old tapes, speaking and singing, and wondered who I
was that we had on tape, who sounded like that.  I don't like my
(New York) accent very much, but my voice really does make a sound
like someone I'm pleased to know.

And, while I was thinking of my speaking voice when I wrote that,
I've also come across some tapes of me singing, especially one that
I did when I was practising Balkan singing, that I think sounded
downright impressive.

If this says something about me that I'd rather not know, you have
my permission not to pass it along.  If it just means that I'm
weird, well, I already know that.



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: "Smut" correction
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: reading rereading
Originator: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:58:27 GMT

wendy thrash and doretta shrock have mailed me, in that order, to say
that they remembered the line as reading "rereading _Lady
Chatterley_", not as reading just "reading".  their memories are
perfect on this point.

i compressed two "re"'s into one.  a common type of typing error (akin
to haplology - or as we playful linguists like to say sometimes,
haplogy - in speech), but one that throws the meter of the line off
by one precious syllable.

i never promised you good typing.

arnold (contrite)


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:28:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Aug14.172347.3647@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>The ultimate question is:  what do you want to accomplish?  Do you want
>your short little hour on stage to strut like a drag queen, or do you want 
>to make progress towards gay acceptance?

/No, it isn't.  But still, Claytoon, how terribly novel of
/you to take up residence in the body of some silly northwest
/faggot and then post articles as him.  Exorcism, anyone?




Cute. 

However, if you pop over the .politics, you will see me going head to head
against Clayton.  


PS:  For you folks who are complaining about the attribution thing, the
application I am using to write this does not permit attribution.
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR: 9 CO:2)
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:42:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: damon.GANDALF.92Aug19224248
	<1992Aug17.170741.23267@gordian.com> <4641@news.duke.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

If I remember correctly, there used to be a grammar rule that when you make
a list of things, they would be deliniated by commas, except for between the
last two, which would be separated by no comma, but instead would be 
separated by the word "and." I believe this was at some point changed.
I could be wrong, I leave this to the net.grammar.queens for further 
analysis.
			Tom
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: "Smut"
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:31:03 GMT

amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

[lyrics to tom lehrer's "smut"]

>Don't let them take it away.           [now *where* did i put
>                                          _Carnival in Rio_?]

					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
i don't know about this, but i think i know a furry acorn eater in
pacifica who can loan you a copy.... or you can borrow mine, of
course. :-)

--m
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Robert Tilton off the air!
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:14:10 GMT


In a previous article, keeling@cs.utk.edu (Timothy Keeling) says:

>After watching Diane Sawyer go after him on Prime Time. I *knew* his 
>days were numbered.  Yes there *is* a God.
>
This morning on "Success-n-Life", they had a psudo-investigative report.
Their target:Diane Sawyer and Prime Time Live.

They had all the trappings of the modern investigatory style (ala hard copy
and a current affair), with the reporter exposing Diane Sawyer's "lies" by
showing what she said, then showing rebuttals...

The funny thing was, everyone who was interviewed has connections to the
Robert Tilton Ministries...

Hmmmmm......


-- 
*...your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist // "Peter...PETER!!  I can see    *
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****************Know God...No peace.  No God...Know peace.****************
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:25:21 GMT
  <1992Aug14.143832.18518@osf.org>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Robert Coren writes:
>"Strangely"? My point is that the whole set of phenomena is "strange",
>in the sense that I haven't the slightest idea how it comes about. I
>would hesitate to say that having few paraphilias is "stranger" than
>having many. (In fact, I can hear George's hackles rising at the
>suggestion even from 3,000 miles away.)

An audio hallucination, I'm sure.  Everyone's different in
regards to what catches their attention or turns them on; so I'd
say that we're all *equally* weird.  ;-{)##]
 
() A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for
() democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a
() national election.
()      -- Bill Vaughan
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:58:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.191528.14774@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>Read the entire post, Melinda.  I'm illustrating that the draft is wrong, 
>regardless of the gender or marital status.  

I read the entire post, and my response hasn't changed.
The draft isn't wrong because what you consider to be the
average American would be upset by the thought of women in
combat (and I'm hoping that you can expand on what you
apparently see as the necessary link between conscription
and combat).  One would hope that you would recognize that
there are far more essential reasons than that.  I might
also note that you don't get points in heaven or in a
rational debate by assuming that most of your countrymen
and -women are sexist neanderthals.  If you would bother to
read the net (instead of just posting) or the newspapers or
the magazines or would try watching the news on television
or listening to the news on the radio, you'd find that
there's considerable support for the notion that if we
should have a draft it ought to include both genders.  But
hey, if you'd rather barge in here and throw around
inaccurate irrelvancies and then insist that you're
contributing to the conversation, well gosh - that's what
the net is here for.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:54:51 GMT

In article <_lfydr#@rpi.edu> buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>This morning on the "Today" show, Katy Couric got a young
>>gay Republican delegate, Ginny Appuzzo, and the chair of
>>the Republican Conservative Coalition...

>Ginny Appuzzo is most DEFINITELY *not* a Republican delegate for anything.
>She is Mario Cuomo's connection to the lesbian and gay political population
>of New York State and ex-head of the National Gay Task Force.

Clarity, children, clarity...

Try this:

This morning on the "Today" show, Katy Couric got a young
gay Republican delegate, the chair of the Republican Conservative Coalition,
and Ginny Appuzzo...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:41:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug23.124112.3803
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

>In article <1992Aug23.030857.17434@microsoft.com>
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>>the chief posters on soc.motss regard this newsgroup as
>>their private property, and god help anyone who posts
>>something contrary to the Accepted Truth (TM).

Actually, anyone who decides to post on soc.motss (or on any other
newsgroup for that matter) MUST meet one criteria. They had better
be prepared to back up thier assertions. If you are a poor debater,
you don't stand a chance.

Scott

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.042650.7512@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>
>In a previous article, johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) says:
>>
>>Err, why wouldn't that sound just fine?
>>
>What I'm asking is, would it be alright with you to require women to register
>for the draft, to report to the service when called, to fight in ground combat
>units?  Before you answer, extend the premise.
>
>Say it was your wife, with young children at home, or your 18 year-old 
>daughter.  Say they pulled a lower number than you, and got called before
>you or your 18 year old son.  Is it OK with you then?

My answer is still yes.  

You're presuming that I would care less about my (hypothetical) husband
or son than I would about my (hypothetical) wife or daughter.

>If a draft occurs, in any form, everyone gets hurt.  
>Instead of drafting anyone, let's keep things as they are, an all-volanteer
>service.  In this way, we can assure that these things never happen.

In general, of course, it would be best not to require anybody to kill
or be killed.

The one thing that bothers me about the volunteer army is that poorer
people, especially racial minorities,  end up taking most of the risk
of bodily harm, since they have fewer non-military economic
opportunities.  Of course, the answer there is to fix society so that
nobody is poor and _has_ to choose the military to feed themselves,
but given the system as it is now, a more equitable risk distribution
might be achieved via National Service.

--John

-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"No need to overheat your rhetoric,
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| Exaggerating items in your pride..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||        -- Mephistopheles, _Faust_
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oscar Wilde and Green Carnations
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:09:29 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble

Roger Phillips writes, quoting Neil Bartlett:
>        [Robert Hichens, _The Green Carnation_, R.  Smythe,
>        London 1894.  Lady Bracknell, ransacking the library
>        in the final scene of _The Importance of Being
>        Earnest_ for a clue as to Ernest's true identity ...
>        finds a copy of Hichens's book.  "This treatise, `The
>        Green Carnation', as I see it is called, seems to be
>        a book about the culture of exotics."

I don't recall ever seeing this in any version of the play I have read
or seen.  Perhaps it was later removed?  Among the essential reference
works here in my office I have a book of Wilde plays, and I just
searched Lady Bracknell's lines in vain for such an utterance.

Of course reading through _The Importance of Being Earnest_ is always
an enormous pleasure anyway.  Here's something that Lady Bracknell
*does* say:
  To be born, or at any rate bred, in a hand-bag, whether it had
  handles or not, seems to me to display a contempt for the ordinary
  decencies of family life that reminds one of the worst excesses of
  the French Revolution.

Oh, and I can't *stand* imbalance:
> ]

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss