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From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:49:20 GMT

In article <gZ4PXB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:
> I've just read it in the news 
> 
> BEZEK,  the israeli telephone company, installed a fax next to the Kotel
> (Wailing Wall) where everybody can send a prayer or petition to God, and
> an employee of the company puts them  afterwards in the gaps between the 
> stones of the wall.  The best of it: this service is free of charge! The
> fax number is:
> 
>                         (++ 972 2) 61.22.22
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
>   Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27
>   2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I faxed asking if he could delete the cost of the international call from
my telephone bill.  I hope I will not be disappointed!

Laurence
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebcal 1.4 available - A Jewish Calendar Program
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 04:09:30 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:

> In article <105779@netnews.upenn.edu> sadinoff@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Danny Sad
> >The new version of hebcal, version 1.4, is now available for anonymous FTP
> >at israel.nysernet.org in the directory israel/software/calendar.
> >
> >Hebcal 1.4 - a program for printing Jewish calendars
> >  by Danny Sadinoff
> >
> >DESCRIPTION
> >Hebcal is a program which prints out the days in the Jewish calendar
> >for a given gregorian year.  Hebcal is fairly flexible in terms of which
> >events in the Jewish calendar it displays.  Each of the following can
> >be individualy turned on or off:
> >
> >  The Hebrew date
> >  Jewish Holdiays (including Yom Ha'atzmaut and Yom HaShoah etc.)
> >  The weekly Sedrah
> >  The day of the week
> >  The days of the Omer
> >
> 
> For those who cannot get to israel.nysernet.org for anonymous
> ftp, here is a uuencoded version of the hebcal software.
> 
> To use, save this message in a file, cut at the --cut here--
> 
> %uudecode <filename>  (creates hebcal1-4.Z)

  I did it and it is ok till here. And now ? I use MS-DOS and WAFFLE and I
  don't know how to continue.

> %uncompress hebcal1-4
> 
> habcal1-4 has 1535 lines, cut before the #! /bin/sh (at line 79)
> and put in an empty directory.
> 
> %sh hebcal1-4  (this creates the files you need)
> %make          (this creates the program)
> 
> Now enjoy!!!
> 
 
  I hope with your or someone else's help ;-)

  Manfredo

> -- 
> ____________________________________________________
> | Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
> | H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
> |_____________________|____________________________|


 
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  Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
  Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27
  2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3693]: bourbon
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:16:20 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.93Jan24061450@solarium.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:46:37 GMT, cs922177@ariel.yorku.ca (DANIEL T FARKAS)
>said: 
>
>> Orthodoxy does not change their rules period.
>
>Not true. If you compare what Orthodoxy was even as far back as the middle
>ages, compared with what Orthodoxy is today, you'll find that the rules have
>been changed. Traditions have become rules. Things have been adapted for
>modern understandings. Rulings have been examined. Orthodoxy does change (or
>else your argument that Orthodoxy is not a stagnent religion wouldn't hold
>water). It's just that the change is much slower.
>
>> Reform does change "to suit the times".  
>
>This is a misconception. Reform does change, but not "to suit the times".
>Rather, Reform believes the process of interpretation is still continuing to
>this day; it changes based on its interpretation of the historical sources.
>
Actually, I think the distinction is both more basic and more subtle
(than the rate of change or the sources used): The question turns on
the authority of principles, the rules for applying them, and the
attitude towards the direction of the process.


David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
From: friedenb@elm.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher McDonalds in Jerusalem
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:01:59 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: friedenb@elm.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu

In article <1993Jan28.063614.10833@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
|> Does anybody know the current status of the Jerusalem Kosher McDonalds?  Also,
|> is this the only Kosher McDonalds?

Do any other regular SCJ readers see our discussions going in cycles?  Hopefully
the semi-regular kosher McDonalds question will not start the same regularity
as the techales or codes questions!  

On that note:  how's the FAQ comin'?  ;^) 

|> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->David S Maddison<-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|> "I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me."            "I'll be back." T1
|> -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
|> Physically located: Melbourne, AUSTRALIA ~ Cyberspace: Somewhere on the INTERNET
|> extdsm@lure.latrobe.edu.au [voice (61)(3)2468454] ph_maddison@vaxd.ocs.mq.edu.au
|> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Distribution: world,soc
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:57:48 GMT

In article <C14yM2.9o0@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> I myself ran for Cook County Commissioner on the Populist ticket a few years 
> ago but that hardly makes me Fundamentalist loony like Gritz.

Then what kind of loony are you?
-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
green@srilanka.island.com   that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:59:02 GMT

In <1993Jan22.152117.18746@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

> It sounds a lot like today.

It always sounds like that.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          currently in NY until the Jewish Agency tells me
 |__/__/_/        I can go back to Jerusalem (early Feb, probably)
 |warren@         
/ nysernet.org
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:58:27 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Religious breakdown of Clinton Cabinet

In article <1993Jan22.000009.28639@Princeton.EDU>,
niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) says:
>
>In article <73924@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Anybody want to make an educated guess on the religous breakdown of the
>>clinton Cabinet, at least by Jews, Catholics, and Baptists? Somebody
>>claims there's one Jewish male in there.
>
>>(BTW, since white males are equal to their national population at 40%,
>>that means that if any groups within there are over-represented, then
>>the other groups are under-represented, so probably there are many
>>white religious groups than are under, while black and Hispanics males
>>are 3X population parity. Of course, Clinton is against quotas...)
>
>Reich and Baird are Jewish.  That's all I know about the topic.
>Does it matter?

Agreed. Why does the original poster care. Jews are in a better situation
anyway when they aren't constantly subject to census in any particular
profession or postion.

>
>--
>David M. Nieporent   | "We don't need anymore [sic] wretched refuse.  It's
>niepornt@phoenix.    |  time to send the Statue of Liberty somewhere else"
>   princeton.edu     |      -- Jack "Not a bigot" Schmidling, 1/7/93
>Baltimore Orioles 93 |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: lenivch@maclaurin.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:52:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.130125.4951@spcvxb.spc.edu> siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

>Austria, understandably insensed over the 
>murder of their heir to the throne, declared war on Serbia.  Russia, jumping to 
>Serbia's defense, declared war on Austria-Hungary.  Germany, required by treaty 
>to jump to Austria-Hungary's defense, declared on Russia.  This led to France 
                                                                       ^^^^^^^^
>and Britain jumping in.

To be precise, Germany declared war on both Russia and France, the latter being
apparently a preventive strike. 
I'm writing this for the record, not that it has much to do with "Jews for 
Germans" thread.

Witold
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: MASTURBATION/HANDSHAKING Halachah-Forbidden?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:02:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1k3qrfINN3pl
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan26.152517.5002@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>>Are the following things forbidden by Halachah (Jewish Law)?
>>(1) Fe/male MASTURBATION
>
>As far as I know, it's not allowed, but only punishable by God, for
>obvious reasons.  One who masturbates in front of witnesses is guilty
>of violating a few other halachot.

Then, is it OK to co-masturbate on the phone with a partner 
that is in a different city (not in front of any witnesses)?

Islamically,  it was not forbidden nor allowed for the following
reasons (analysis of scholars):


1- Masturbation prevent rapes?  i.e. if a man for example
   knows how to relief himself w/masturbation he may just 
   do it instead of being ignorat and jump a woman forcefully.

2- If it was allowed, then men and women would takeait as a habit,
   and may not see a reason for sexual intercourse, and in return
   it will reduce merriage desires.

jle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.african.american
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Martin Luther King Quotes
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:49:36 GMT

In <kglavgx@Unify.Com> jhf@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jeff Fields) writes:

>Also not all Semites are Jews. Anti-Semitism was a term invented in the
>Zionist movement of the 19th century.

You are wrong.  The term was coined by a German antisemite in the
1800's.  It was coined to give an anti-Jewish political party a more
"respectable" name.

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:20:08 GMT

David, thank you for researching this.  Very interesting...
Not what we were taught in Hebrew School...


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                       |  The Truth is still The Truth, forsooth 
madhaus@netcom.com                   |  Even if believing It you refuse
Centigram Communications Corp        |  Disproof's uncouth, refuting moot
San Jose California  408/428-3553    |  A Fundie's brain is dead.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: E-mail to Don Gertler
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17219]: bourbon
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:24:58 GMT


Why can't I send it to you without it getting bounced back?

David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ariel
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:49:38 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <105961@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes...
>In article <199301211402.AA25759@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>>rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel) discusses possible Hassidic names: >Also,
>>the name Ariel itself is somewhat unrealistic for a Chassidic man,
>>>being a modern name.
> 
>>... it is incorrect to  consider Ariel a modern name, just look
>>up Ezra 8,16.
> 
>And Isaiah 29:1, where Ariel is used as a personification of Jerusalem.
>It's rather strange seeing a man's name referred to as "she".  Then
>again, perhaps it's also a woman's name?


Isn't it also a mermaid's name ;^)
From: fritzj@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Fritz Friedlaender)
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:58:46 GMT

The press release in our smalltown newspaper said clearly that you
pay the usual telephone charges for the fax service.
What is free is the delivery of the fax to the Kotel. So it's really
a bargain! Only in Israel ..... (and Bezek, yet!).
From: rjablonk@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hebrew U. info needed
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:53:47 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

I'm a sophomore at Tufts and am interested in any information anyone has on
Hebrew University.  I'm planning to go there for the fall semester ('93).  Any
useful info. would be appreciated.  Thanks.
					Ra  :)
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Thirteen tribes :)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:27:21 +0200
Keywords: g
Organization: University of Cape Town

> 
> Where should I check up for information about Simeon?


Most books on Jewish history!!! The Simeonites were not part of the northern
tribes. They lived way to the south. They retained a separate identity until
after the first returns from the Babylonian exile but later lost any separate
identity to other Jews. (Also check Chronicles I.)
> 

>                                 Victor  Abkevich
Colin
From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: What is an anti-Semite?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:54:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


What is an anti-Semite?  Please submit short (100 hundred words or less)
definitions.

I have always thought an anti-Semite was one who dislikes Jews and
practices or advocates practices that are injurous towards them.

Apparently, there must be more to it than that because I have been
accused of spreading "genteel anti-Semitism" in alt.conspiracy by
Norman Miller who is presumably Jewish.

As well as I can get to know Chip Berlet and Ted Frank over a computer
network, I like them.  But I do not agree with them about Bo Gritz.  Our
politics are different.  I am still trying to figure out who is telling
the truth, and who is prejudiced because of his politics.

Am I an anti-Semite just because I don't join with Berlett, Miller and
Frank in abhorring Bo Gritz?
-- 


--------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ---------
------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.edu -------------
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:12:17 GMT

In <1jfrkvINNrn7@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:

>The Felds, who were found with maps of the Wasserman house and the
>combination to a safe there, said "they wanted to go in and feel the
>aura of the house," according to Sinunu.

Can anyone suggest why they might have needed to know the location of
the safe?  Just yesterday I told a friend who may need to stay in my
apartment while I am away all sorts of things about it, but I didn't
mention under which tile I hide the dollars.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          currently in NY until the Jewish Agency tells me
 |__/__/_/        I can go back to Jerusalem (early Feb, probably)
 |warren@         
/ nysernet.org    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Detest Germans?
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:33:22 GMT

In article <C19EBE.DFD@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan) writes:
>Pankaj Saxena <U09416@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>The Germans were hardly a commercial threat to the British at the time of the
>>second world war. The market for cuckoo clocks wasn't that big.

>I always thought that Switzerland was more famous for cuckoo clocks
>than germany, but one lives and learns.

Plenty of cuckoo clocks in the Black Forest.

But that's beside the point.  Cuckoo clocks are relevant to those
who get their ideas about international trade and politics and 
so on from Harry Lyme in _The Third Man_, or from somebody who
once saw the movie and didn't figure out that Harry was the bad
guy.

Sure beats work.

Roger

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:26092 soc.culture.canada:10361 can.politics:11692
From: uctlxpd@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Bartlett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-Nazi Rally
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:59:50 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:

>>There will be an anti-Nazi rally starting at Queen's Park
>>around 8AM and proceeding down to the court at the Confederation Life building
>>on University Avenue. This is a counter-demonstration to a pro-Heritage Front
>>rally scheduled for the same time at Confederation Life.

>Oh, then this will just be like good old Germany in the 30's with Commies
>and Brownshirts battling it out in streets. Sorry, I've got better things
>to do then give these losers the attention you want to give them.

>Leave them alone, they will dissappear.

Like they did in "good old Germany in the 30's", where, after all, the
"Leave them alone, they will dissappear" [dissappear?] seemed to be the
attitude of the day.

peter
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:26263 rec.folk-dancing:2344
From: beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu (Richard Beigel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Israeli folk dancing in San Diego / L.A.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 09:19:33 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT  06520-2158
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: beech.theory.cs.yale.edu


I am a fanatic for Israeli dancing, and I will be in San Diego in
February.  I am looking for a group of Israeli dancers that meets
regularly there.  I'd also like to find an Israeli dance workshop
anywhere south of L.A.  If you can help me by providing a phone number
of other information, please email rjb@cs.yale.edu.

-- 
Richard Beigel			telephone:  (203)432-1228
Dept. of Computer Science	email:  beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu
P.O. Box 2158, Yale Station	campus mail:  A. K. Watson Hall
New Haven, CT  06520-2158		      51 Prospect Street
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:59:19 GMT

In article <106028@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <gZ4PXB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:
>>BEZEK,  the israeli telephone company, installed a fax next to the Kotel
>>(Wailing Wall) where everybody can send a prayer or petition to God, and
>>an employee of the company puts them  afterwards in the gaps between the 
>>stones of the wall.  The best of it: this service is free of charge! The
>>fax number is:
>
>>                        (++ 972 2) 61.22.22
>
>The copy of this I read in the newspaper said that it was NOT toll-free.
>-- 

THe article said that

1.  You pay for the phone call just as you would a regular call

2.  There is no extra charge for the service (taking the paper and
putting it in the wall).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.african.american
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: Martin Luther King Quotes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:06:03 GMT

jhf@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jeff Fields) writes:

>M.L.King quote:
>>"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to
>>protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity and the right to use
>>whatever sea lanes it needs.  Israel is one of the great outposts of democracy
>>in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can
>>be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy.  Peace for Israel
>>means security and that security must be a reality."

>I agree with the central idea in this quote, but I believe it is incomplete.
>Israel has the right to exist. The Israelis also have a right to live in
>peace with their Arab neighbors, but with this right comes responsibility.
>Unless and until the Israeli government address the human and sovereign rights
>of the Palestinians in the occupied territory, there will never be peace. So,
>yes, let us stand up for Israel's right to exist. Let us also stand up for
>the rights of the Palestinians to live in freedom and dignity with there
>Israeli neighbors. Then we will achieve Martin's dream of peaceful coexistenc
>of the peoples of the Earth.

 I think it is instructive to remember, that at the time MLK made the quote
JF believes to be "incomplete", Palestinians were being treated so poorly
by the Jordanian authorities in the West Bank and Egyptians in Gaza, that
similar treatment by Israel currently would have undoubtedly brought about UN
sanctions.
 And, in fact, Palestinian resistance force was already being formed under Arafat,
but the PLO Charter which came out in 1964 called not for the fight against
the Palestinians' tormentors -- Egyptians and Jordan's Hashemite dynasty, but
against the state of Israel, which didn't come into posession of the West Bank
and Gaza until 1967.
 Those who believe that the "Palestinian problem" is the major reason for the
Arab- Israely conflict, are either hostile to Israel, or ignorant of history
(or both).

Greg K.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.religion.misc