From: dwjurkat@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jurkat)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:47:55 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <1992Nov12.232240.29660@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
>
>Interesting suject line...
>
>In article <1992Nov12.192506.26872@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger) writes:
>|>Ok, people, I have been reading this board for quite some time, and
>|>personally, I must say both sides are arguing for nothing. You are all
>|>wasting your breath because you know as well as I that there will never
>|>be what you would call proof unless God shows himself to each and every
>|>atheist in this world. Every atheist I have ever encountered sticks to the
>|>tiring line, "If I didn't witness it, I don't believe it." First of all let
>|>me ask you this: Did you witness any of the scientific proofs for anything
>|>beyond what one can prove in an ordinary lab setting? Probably not. In fact,
>|>I'm sure there are abundant examples where you are trusting the claims of
>|>a few mere men (or women) without witnessing proof yourself.
>
>I do not require first-hand proof so long as the proof is logical and
>the source is reliable.
>I am sceptical of anything else (there are some weird people out there).  
>
>|>
>|>As a second point, I'd like to assert that no human can even hope to talk
>|>intellectually about the reality that exists beyond human scope. You have
>|>no idea whatsoever whether unicorns really do exist or not because you have
>|>not had the opportunity to visit any other planets in any other solar
>|>system. So how can you be so bold to discount the existence of anything?
>
>I am not. But I am bold enough to smack people on the head when
>they are bold enough to assert the existence of anything on
>little or no data.
>
>|>
>|>Thirdly, and I ask this out of sheer confusion myself (and I'd really like
>|>true opinions on what you make of this), I am aware that your wonderful
>|>scientists have now discovered a way to tap the area of the brain that
>|>triggers out-of-body experiences, and that they now in fact have a laboratory
>|>where one (with much money to blow) can experience an OOB. 
>
>OUR wonderful scientists?  What are you, an alien unicorn?
>
>|>Given that
>|>after coming back from one of these the person can relay information which
>|>occured in other rooms/states/countries/etc while they were 'gone', what
>|>do you make of this obvious proof that the human body entails more than
>|>its physical being? How would you explain this, and does this not provide
>|>a damn good proof that when we die we are only leaving our physical body?
>
>If it is real.  Ever hear of the term "mark" or "dupe"?
>There is a long history of people paying $$$$ for scams involving
>the supernatural.
>
>|>
>|>*Note: This is absolutely NO claim for Christianity or any other religion
>|>       but merely a strong validation for eternal life. (no reference of
>|>       Heaven, Hell, God, angels, etc. just the facts)
>
>Lifeforce outside of the body does NOT equal lifeforce immortal.
>What if you just disapate slowly?  Also, OOB experiences would
>only show that awareness is not limited by the body.  It does
>not prove life-after-death.
>So much for the scientific proccess!
>
>|>
>|>I'd appreciate any input and anybody who would like to know where this
>|>laboratory is, I can certainly give you that info.
>
>1) An open mind is great, just be aware that some people lie.
>2) Science is a methodology.  It can be applied to anything real.
>
>So, where's the lab?
>
>|>
>|>Michelle----My opinions only, don't even try to call em yours!
>|>
>|>--
>|>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>|>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>|>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>|>           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
>                                          
>Brian /-|-\

If there really is such a machine where you can just OBE at the push
of a button the U.S. government certainly wouldn't let anyone but
their own spies use it.  I'm sure is has big red letters across it:
Need to know, Eyes only, classified, National security, keep out!!!
Anyone even reading this and any other post about it will probably
never be seen again in this world or any other supernatural/unatural
world/universe.
Paranoid, me, why who wants to know? :')
Just out of curiosity if you are OBE can someone elso who is also OBE
move right in.  Sorta trade up to a new model. 
Also if you have an OBE can you go to a freezer and have yourself,
that is your soal, frozen.  Then the scientists will be able to 
disect it.  Maybe that's what God does, frieze-dry soals and preserve
them in cloudy-rose-colored jars (heaven). Of course that still
leaves the harp player as a witness.  But is it real or is it Memorex.
Some day you'll know.
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