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From: mallon@hsi86.hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:02:26 GMT
Reply-To: mallon@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford

In article <zt7Hdm6l6@cs.psu.edu> liblit@cs.psu.edu (Benjamin R. Liblit) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.162452.25948@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>>
>> Anyone else ever hear of this jumping up and down on the heels?
>
>First time I took a groin shot, I didn't jump up and down on my heels.
>My instructor grabbed around my ribcage from behind and *bounced* me!
>Guess that's more or less the same thing....

I've seen this a few places.  One of them is the Kodokan Judo book by
Jigoro Kano in the first aid-ish section.  Supposedly it's used for when
a testicle has been knocked up into the pelvis and hasn't come back down.
I know, I know, I'm cringing as I write this and the co-workers of the
male readers are wondering why the reader is bent slightly at the waist
and making a low, "Oooooooo," sound  :-)

The second time I saw it was at a Judo tournament when a competitor got
a groin shot.  It does seem to take some of the pain away, but not all.

On a related note, has anyone noticed that certain people seem to get
smacked in the groin more than others?  One guy I used to wrestle with
and one from Judo both had a propensity for getting groin shots.  When
you work with them, you have this fear in the back of your mind that
the opponent will be rolling around on the ground in the embryo position
while you stand helplessly above wondering how the hell you even hit him.

Just some observations, hope I didn't spoil anyone's breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Dan
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 Dan Mallon-Kraft		     mallon@hsi.com
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From: brankin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.rankin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:11:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Apr7.181109.17966
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Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.165126.890@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

>No, my will power is failing, I just bought Reeces Peanut Butter Cups
>from the machine,...

STEPHEN! CALM DOWN, IT's OKAY!  The *brown* Reeces are not bad, just
halucenogenic! 

>But before I humiliate myself
>for all time and space, be sure and check out the cyberpunk post on
>humor.funny  arrgg.......

On my way, after this...

>OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
>it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
>such a vehicle might have.

Agreed.  Just as there are different MA with different emphasis, so are
there different MA vehicles, each with their our stengths.


I have noticed a trend around our dojo towards 4wd "Utility Vehicles".
(4-runners, pathfinders, cherokees, and the like...).  Good general
purpose vehicle.  And unlike some of the so called "Yuppie Station
Wagons" these get some serious use.


>There is also fast, but I haven't ever had a car that would go fast :-)

Hmmm, my 5.0L Mustang kind of fits here.  I will say that is very good
on a flat, smooth, *dry* pavement.  But definitely not a "wellrounded"
vehicle.  More akin to a tournament fighter, I'd say.  Very good at
what it does, but don't take it outside it's element.

>So what is the TRUE R.MA vehicle(s) of choice.

Obviously, whatever you use to carry your TRUE MA-Dog in!
In our case, our MA-dogs are a pair of Great Pyrenees, and the 
vehicle of choice is a 74 Chevy K-5 Blazer.

:-)

>Surely you don't take me seriously!  :-)   :-)   :-)

Ha!  me? I never take myself seriously, so why should I do that with
anyone else? :-)

-bill
From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:18:27 GMT

In article <4900@igor.Rational.COM>  writes:

> +>   Oh really?  I guess a couple dozen generations of Samurai just couldn't
> +>   figure it out huh?  The reason that the Chinese and Europeans often      
> +>   I say often) preferred straight swords is because they never developed
> +>   the cutting edge technology (no pun intended) that the Japanese smiths
> +>   did.  A katana or tachi can slash the wrist of a fencer in a sweeping
> +>   motion before the tip of a long sword would be able to reach the
> +>   kenjutsuka's body.

True enough.  A katana is the ultimate blade.  The problem one has
when pitting any other weapon besides a katana (or tachi, naginata)
against a katana, is that the katana can typically cut through the
alloys used to make other weapons, as well as any armor someone might
be wearing.  Shock-jackets (bullet proof vests that stop high-
powered rifle shells, even .475 supermagnums) are probably the only
personal armor that would stop a katana.

Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.gac.edu
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which Style
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:59:50 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Apr7.205154.7091@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) says:
>>evidence that William Cheung was about 16-17 when he moved to Australia.
>(non sarcastic tone)  What has moving to Australia go to do with it?

Well, it may have nothing to do with it. However, if Yip Men were going
to pronounce an heir, is it likely that this person would be: a) so
young, b) moving to another continenent and c) he could have been
studying for a maximum of a few years given his age when Yip Men had
many other students who were more senior, continuing to live in HK, and
by most accounts much better? Of the core of Yip Men's closest students,
I believe Moy Yat, Leung Ting, and Wong Shun Leung all stayed in Hong
Kong until after his death. Just seems a little strange to me, given
what is known about Yip Men.

>(BTW- It's Yip Man).  True, I wasn't trying to say there was a "Yip Man"

Thanks for the correction...again.

>On a side note, by teaching their own personal Wing Chun, that would
>be going against the of idea of Wing Chun in the first place, and
>as we both agree, what Yip Man would have wanted.  Also according
...these two statements seem to contradict one another...could you
clarify this a bit?
>From the tailoring aspect though, you can also see how this helped in
>the forming of the basis of JKD.  Very interesting.

Yes. It reminds me of a story my Indian history professor told. When
describing Hindus (he's a Sikh, so maybe it's a bit wacky!;) he would
always say: Hindus think everyone is a Hindu, whether they realize it or
not. Nehru? He's a good Hindu. Buddha? Oh, he was a veery good Hindu.

All the older Wing Chun people I've talked to always say the same thing
about Bruce Lee. Oh, he was pretty good Wing Chun player. The attitude
always seems to be one of confusion about JKD, since they seem to
believe all he was doing was his own Wing Chun.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail returned
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:31:18 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <22516@dog.ee.lbl.gov> twchan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>
>Terry "How do Greenoch students send mail?" Chan
>--

In Gaelic, of course...

Steve
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From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:27:17 GMT

Someone writes:

> In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street 
> somewhere, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before 
> and during training, how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks 
> aren't going to be as high, and the danger of a sprain or tear is 
> much higher.  How do you cope?  Any special ideas out there?

Let's hope your assailant doesn't have a knife, bat, or gun (unlikely).
Let's assume you aren't armed either.

First try to escape.

If that doesn't work, or isn't possible, kick low (knee, groin, shin
instep).  Open-hand strikes to the temple, nose, and eyes work pretty 
well.  Closed-fist body blows to the ribs and kidney HURT!  Percussive
blows with elbows are effective against the sternum and the kidneys or
lower back of an opponent.

> When sparring, what goes through your head?

"Take no prisoners!"  (My sparring partners hit hard as hell.)

                &

"Watch the lead leg!"  (I hate getting side-kicked in the face.)



Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.gac.edu
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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Jow Ga
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:52:09 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: yes...
Followup-To:      doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

In article <Mds8UFe00iU4EBXqZ6@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>	A friend of mine saw an ad in Inside Kung-Fu for Jow Ga
>Kung-Fu. He's seriously considering running off for 3 years to study
>Jow Ga.
>	Does anyone out there know anything about this school (it's in
>or around Washington, DC)? They're advertising for live-in students
>who are willing to devote 3 years of their life to learning the system
>& spreading it around, in return for free instruction and free room
>and board. But they have to train 7 days a week.
>
>	(hey, a 3 year black belt program!)
>
>Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
>stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]


	yes.  Sifu Derick Mimms.  in langly park, maryland just off 
new hampshire avenue.  i know these guys, and Sifu Mimms is a good
friend.  have your friend contact me, and i'll get the exact address
and phone number.  
	(langly park is a suburb of d.c., between silverspring and college
park.)
	as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

ps. 

	Sifu Mimms is the president of the NACMAF organization, and one
of the co-founders with Sifus Yim Tai Loi, Michael Barry, and Tat Mua 
Wong.  this guy is good!  and knows his stuff.
From: gronberg@up.physics.ucsb.edu (Jeff Gronberg)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Dancing
Keywords: Dancing
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: gronberg@up.physics.ucsb.edu (Jeff Gronberg)
Organization: UCSB Physics Department

Whenever I see articles about 'dance-like' Aikido I can't help but smile.  My
sensei not only teaches aikido but judo and ballroom dance as well.  Many
times we have finished class with a little mambo or swing or tango in order
to work on our rhythm and timing.
I suggest that you never do the tango with someone unless you're sure they
like you.  Those twirls can be turned in hip tosses FAR too easily.

   Da-da-da-da   Da-da-da-da   Da-da-da-WHAM!!

Jeff




P.S.  Bokken practice is hell on the chandeliers.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: fa jings
Keywords: Crunch, Break, Ow!
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Distribution: na
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <s5u4uINNi80@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>You get the opponent all twisted up, then break the right wrist, elbow,
>shoulder, left ankle and knee with a single fa jing.

	What's a fa jing?  ("Oh, about $2.20 an hour..." :-)
								wr


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From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Re: Aikido(Re: Crush and maim (was: How to choose...))
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:44:22 GMT

maarrrk@ruapehu.Caltech.Edu ( Mark Alan Erickson) writes:
>...  What I think  
>O'Sensei did when he created Aikido was specifically modify and develop 
>techniques in order to give the Aikidoka the option of not damaging the 
>attacker.  

	This hints at something that a lot (or perhaps just the ones
who post a lot :^) of Aikidoka seem not to understand about striking arts.
Even some TKD schools (1/2 :^) teach control of techniques, and it
is quite possible to hit someone with a punch or kick with damage 
anywhere in the range of none-at-all to crippling.  My instructor has
(several times :^) kicked me great distances without causing 
any damage.  He just controlled the kick (more like a push) into more
resilient (e.g. stomach, hips, chest, shoulder etc.) parts of my body
at times when my balance was somewhat less than perfect (anytime he 
felt like it :^(  ) and off I went.  Of course, it's harder to do this
if you don't completely outclass your opponent (just like Aikido :^)
but it's still an option we can hope to have (just like Aikido :^) with
enough training.

>..  In response to 
>an attack, an accomplished aikidoka can respond with the attitude that,
>"You've attacked me;  I MAY have to hurt you,"  rather than, "I WILL
>have to hurt you." 	 

	Hey, just like TKD!! :^)

	While we're all in the habit of including amusing anti...I
mean, anecdotes...
During a 1st dan grading, our instructor (sparring with the person
grading) noticed that one of the second dan's at the grading table
was sitting in a rather too-relaxed position with his legs each side 
of the corner leg of the table.  He manoeuvred the (about to be) 
1st dan towards the table (across most of the room) and with one
final kick sent him backwards to bump the table, the leg of which
collided with the 2nd dan's chair.  His posture improved remarkably
after his near miss.

	Of course, in Aikido, our instructor wouldn't have had the
choice to push the guy back with a gentle kick, but would have only
been able to brutally throw him onto the table, causing everyone a
great deal of pain and numerous debilitating injuries (not to mention
the financial burden of possible lawsuits etc.)..... ;^)  TKD is 
obviously a far more compassionate art....  ;^)

>It may take me thirty years to develop that kind of power, but I've
>got a lifetime...

	Nah... develop it now and avoid the rush :^)

		Barry.


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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:57:27 GMT

In article <31037@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:
>I want to learn an effective method of unarmed self-defence - period.

Than I have the right one for you:

It is called "Anti-Terrorist-Fighting" here in germany. I'm sure you find 
a school in UK.

You learn how to defend effectifly against all kind of attacks including
all the usual weapons like knife, rope, pistol, baseball-bats, ..

The techniques are usually very dirty and have nothing to do with
traditional stuff. You learn how to knock-out your opponents as fast as
possible with techniques that goes to the eyes, ears, kidneys, ...

Check it out. You will like it. No traditional stuff. Their moto is
"We don't want to win a price for beauty - we wanna be hard, brutal,
effective, fast and without mercy".

I do JiuJitsu with lots of ATF elements in it and it's great.

>Jiu-jitsu - Is more felxible that karate and TKD, but classes in my
>	 area are few and far between.
>	  Also, I wonder if there is any possibility of competition.
JiuJitsu includes a lot of techniques from Judo, Karate, TKD, ATF, Kung Fu,
Wing Tsung, ... .
But you have to find a school that teaches progressive JiuJitsu and not
traditional JiuJitsu or even Ju Jutsu.
If you would live here in Berlin I would take you along. I bet you would
love it.
The only thing missing is real open sparring. We do "Randori". One in the
middle and 6 around and they attack with various techniques and you have to
defend. 
Sparring may come later. My trainer said something about that.

I like Jiu because you not only learn to defend against all kind of weapons
and open hand and kicks and whatever - you also learn to fall correctly
if you are forced. Also several throws and holding and transporting 
techniques are included. 

Jiu training is very interesting 'cause it has so many different
techniques.

If you are in Scottland check also out Wing Tsung! A friend of a friend
runs the only school of WT in scottland. I don't where it is but he said
it's the only one.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
CBR600F2 (street) - NS400R (track)
Organization: Freshman, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 12:52:40 -0400 
From: James Arthur Burtoft <jbbe+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Christians in the MA
	<ACEVEDO.92Apr1105640@mint-chocolate-chip.mit.edu>
	<8-jjxq=.dsmythe@netcom.com>
	<ACEVEDO.92Apr2132853@air-traffic-controller.mit.edu>
	<Adr78vK00iU48BXr5r@andrew.cmu.edu>

      As a Christian in the MA, I see no conflict between turning the
other cheek and defending one's friends and family.  However, I have
recently been talking to some people that do.   I would like any
Christians on the net that have had similar experiences to let me know
their thoughts.  I feel strongly about it myself, but I have trouble
convincing other people about it.
Anyone who has any ideas or pointers to give me, please email, as I
don't think this line of posting would apply to many on the net.

 
                Cheerio
                              Jim
                              President 'o the Colleens fanclub

Send  $19.95 for an autographed picture, $29.95 if you want either of
the Colleens in it.
From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Repsclo
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:13:07 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <ku3ik8INN2gi@aludra.usc.edu>, pauljone@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Jones) writes:
> In article <ku3g8dINN6al@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Schei
> 
> This book is a nice introduction to the ideas of Zen.  I got it as
> a paperback with about a hundred pages.  It's filled with stories
> that are one or two pages long.  I've bought several copies, 'cause
> I keep giving it away!  Also of interest is a book called _The Ronin_,
> which is a story incorporating several of the chapters of ZFZB.
> 
> 
> Mike

Who is the publisher or _The Ronin_?  I have read it, but would like to add it
to my collection.  I understood it was no longer in print...

douglas lampi

lampij@brandonu.ca
From: upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 15 Apr 1992 19:15:45 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <Qdv3jYi00UoJ1AOawc@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>	How about when someone makes a boneheaded declaration about an art,
>it'll be perfectly acceptable for other readers to challenge their
>credentials for making a statement about another art?

I thought that was the current system...


( :-) for the smiley impaired.)
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:45:13 GMT
	<1992Apr13.223717.14662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<EduXAFm00awNAB8m1Q@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

"Albert Y. Hong" <ah2p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Dear Martial Artists,
> 
>         What should I do if there is a person who boasts about their Marital
> Art skills and threatens to kill other people. 
>         I personally want to fight him and tell him that he is an embarassment
> to everyone who truly loves the art.
>         What should I do?
>         Please give me some advice.

	Well, you could report him to the campus counselling center.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:13:19 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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In article <ogorman.702929015@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:
>One thing which no-one seems to have mentioned is guards. I can't understand
>the guards on japanese weapons. They seem to offer absolutely minimal
>protection. European weapons seem (to me) to be vastly superior in this
>respect. Then again I know nothing...
>
>Ollie...

 I've always felt that tsuba really are there to prevent your fingers
from sliding off the handle and onto to that three foot razor blade out
there.

Osu!

Bud

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From: casc@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Cas Caswell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: How to choose a Martial Art discipline?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:50:43 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA


 I've been watching the swod debate here and the following has been
 rumbling around my head:

 tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
 >    A katana or tachi can slash the wrist of a fencer in a sweeping
 >    motion before the tip of a long sword would be able to reach the
 >    kenjutsuka's body.

 There's 2 points in here that I need to quibble with. 

 1) The implicit assumption that the long sword user would only go for
 the body seems to me to be simplistic. And the assertion is highly 
 dependant on the timing and geometry of the situation. Based on my skills
 (minimal but...) "stop cuts" are not that simple. But if we assume katana
 wielder in a baseball stance, for whatever reason, and straight sword 
 making a straight slash or thrust to the from of the body, it's not
 obvious to me that the curved sword is in a position to destroy the wrist
 before the katana weilder is hit in the body.

 2) Due to the shape of the blade, ie slightly curved with a tip slightly
 above the guard, it would seem to me that all things being equal, the tip
 of a straight sword would arrive "faster" since it's level with the guard.
 Now the curved blade gives improved slicing ability, so the target wrist might 
 be cut off with a katana, where the longsword only broke the bone... either
 ought to do the job of distracting the attacker long enough to place steel
 into its vitals.

  All of the above is based on purely recreational foil,epee, saber fencing
  before leaving school and some work with bokken and shinai in the studio
  as well as playing with a friend's blade. So I'll defer to the experts
  in here on implementation of tactics.

  There, I feel better. But now I'll retreat a bit, put on the padded leather
  gi, chain mail, kelvar vest, and Nomex over suit.... only problem is....
  with all this junk on.... my usual pregnant waterbuffalo grace has been
  further degraded...... 8^}

  cas caswell
  casc@hpnmcnt.cup.hp.com 

  Disclaimer: Hewlett-Packard wants nothing to do with my violent passtimes
  ,poor spelling, or weapons in general.... In otherwords, I said it. Not my
  company.
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