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From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: To '2067bh@gmuvax' psycho:
Date: 8 Nov 92 09:28:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UezKdcS00WBNI2S49T
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


You are a sick little bastard who needs professional help desperately.
You're born to disgrace every one: Sinhalase, Tamils and Moslems. 

Like a voulture feeding on dead carion, you are constantly feeing on communal
feelings. You'r are inciting  ethnic hatred while being in a foreign country!

I strongly believe that you should be forbidden to enter Sri Lanka for
the rest 
of your life time. The island can do better without sick 'voultures' like you.
I hope that you're already on the 'black list.'

I'm sorry for using such harsh language. But, I cannot express my
disgust better
in a better way.
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: The future
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:39:22 GMT
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well,I don't keep talking about dividing the country. There is a need
talk about it, because 'many' after years(or deacades?) of government
propoganda in newspapers and continuing lies in press just haven't gotten
the grasp     of the reality.  You're virtually shut off from the reality in
the Northeast. The only Sinhalase who are very much aware of the reality are
probably the poor ones in rural areas and in deep South whose sons are in
the armed forces. They know. While a minister talks about a 'secret plan'
to end the war(the second one in less than a year), body bags are still
coming. Every day, according to government's own estimate, 10 people are
dying in Northeast(civilians, Tigers,army men). 300 per month atleast.
And you think I'm a 'hardliner.' Who wants to divide the Northeast province
in two so Tamils become a minority in their own land(eastern SR)? Not me.
Sure, you can argue that Sinhalase and Moslems are there. But, how did
many came to be there. Do you think just because we didn't have the means
then stop government colonization schemes, we are going to abide by the
conditions created by these 'facts on land'? Lets face it. When are you
people going to wake up to the deadly political games still played by
UNP? They played Sinhalase against Tamils. The game's up. So,they fooling many
Sinhalase while pretending to help few. Then there's SLFP. Still no clues!

Under such conditions, am I a hardliner? Or are you simply conscioulsl
y or unconsciously a believer in Budhist nationalism?
-suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: jmz1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Joe)
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:10:21 GMT

abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:

>In article <jmz1.721517230@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>, jmz1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Joe) writes:
>> 
>> I am looking forward to your answer.

>There is no answer on unpolite messages ...

--------------------------------------------
Ahhhhh, you are breaking my heart !!!!!!!!!!
--------------------------------------------

>Andrej
From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Help me to find my family!
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:14:48 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna, soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Edinburgh University

Hi;
I have not heard any news from my family 

(Suleyman, Sehad, Nijaz) SUMARIC since last year.  They were residing in

Rostovo - Has
72293 Opara
Novi Travnik
B&H

If you could provide me any information about them or that may help me
to find them I would be most grateful.  Please contact me in this address;
emev02@uk.ac.ed.castle
Thank you in advance.

Muharem Sumaric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:15:26 GMT

In article <YSIArA6GBh107h@proteus1.UUCP> miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa
Mihailovic) writes:
>
>	In the light of which I said above: Bosnian Serbs are also
"Bosnians", they didn't want to seceede.  According to the 1991
>census data there are 31% of Bosnian Serbs + 6% of those who declared
>themselves as Yugoslavs (which are also mainly Bosnian Serbs who
>didn't want secession and warned that they will seceede from such
>artificially made state as today's "independent Bosnia-Herzegovina"
>was supposed to be. According to all statistical data, those same
>Bosnian Serbs own more than 60% of the land, so who can decide in
>their name?  If muslim Slavs want to seceede why don't give that
>right to the others, too?  Or are we speaking double standards,
>again?

First of all -- the Serbs have as much rights as other is B&H, and
they have to acknowledge this (as others should). Hence if they don't
represent sufficient portion of citizens of B&H they have to respect
the will of majority. It's that simple.

The problem here is how to draw the lines or communities which are
voting units. Serbs here invented the rule of "voting land" and
because they happened to own a lot of dead land they claim that they
can also own the lifes of alive Muslims. This didn't work as Muslims
did not cooperate, hence they decided to eliminate the bothering
factor and start ethnic cleansing. (Are you interested how does work?
You have an excellent chance to learn in today's "Nightline".) They
knew and still perfectly know that at most what they can hope
otherwise are two Serbian countries separated by a Muslim-Croatian
corridor. On the Northern part of corridor are (roughly) Vukovar,
Prijedor, etc., and on the Southern end Mostar and Dubrovnik. In the
middle is Sarajevo.

Though some are trying to describe the war as ethnic or religous --
no, it is a territorial war for a single Serbian state with an exit to
the sea. Therefore the claims of "right on self-determination" of
Serbs are at least arrogant if not worse.

Best regards,

Andrej

PS: Remark, Serbs here is not meant to mean all Serbs!!
From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnian language, More Citations
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:16:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92310.091615U52148
 <1992Nov4.212057.11581@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Nov4.212057.11581@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
deniz@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) says:
>
>In article <Bx7JMD.7DB@me.utoronto.ca> arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad
>Arnautovic) writes:
>>
>>
>>And there is a Bosnian variant of Serbo-Croatian language(s),
>>in short Bosnian. While I would leave the issue to be
>>resolved scientifically by the linguists in a less-heated
>>political setting, let me mention only a few words, as a example,
>....
>>and Croatians in Croatia say "stoljece". For "week", Croatians say
>>"tjedan", Serbians say "sedmica" and we say "hefta".
>
>And we say "hafta" .  Does this mean we speak the same language??  Let's
>not get too carried away with armchair linguistics.
>
>That there are regional differences in a language does not mean that they
>ought to be classified as different languages.  Get a Spaniard to talk
>of getting a cab Argentina and watch the horrified Argentinians.  Yet
>they both speak Spanish.
>
>regards,
>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

Thanks Deniz.

 For Senad: In Croatia they say Gdje, in HERCEGOVINA (Notice how Senad leaves
 us out) we say dje. I don't think there is such thing as Bosnian, because
 us guys in Hercegovina (No I don't support Boban) would never cave in to
 the assimilation tactics of Alija. Two, there is no historical foundation
 for it, I'd like to see your sources Senad, and I'd show you mine.


-Cro...I'm not Bosnian...











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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: maledvij@IASTATE.EDU (Marko A Ledvij)
Subject: Re: Tomislav rides again
Reply-To: maledvij@IASTATE.EDU (Marko A Ledvij)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:50:20 GMT

In article <BxLMxp.9FH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
writes:
> 
> Recently, several Western news reports about Bosnia-Hercegovina have
> had datelines from 'Tomislavgrad', which is currently held by
> Croatians.  It seems to be a fairly large town.
> 
> However, no map or atlas of Yugoslavia that I've seen shows
> anything called 'Tomislavgrad'. (The most recent one was from 1978.)
> 
> Did the Croats just rename this town, or what?
> If so, how did the other residents of the town feel?
> 
> It appears that Tomislavgrad is named after a Croatian king.
> He ruled about a thousand years ago. (One has to go back
> that far to find a Croatian king.)
> 
> What's the straight dope?
> 
> 
> --Branko Radosavljevic

The town is located in northwestern Herzegovina and up until a few
years ago had the name DUVNO. I remember hearing (although I do not
remember from whom and when) an interesting story about the name of
that town. Duvno first time acquired the name TOMISLAVGRAD between
WWI and WWII, being named after the second of three sons of the then
King of Yugoslavia Aleksandar Karadjordjevic, Tomislav (the oldest
son Petar later became the king and escaped to England 1941, where
he died after WWII, the
youngest son Andrea (or Andrey-Andrej), as far as I know, has recently
commited suicide). The second part of the story says that Aleksandar gave
the names to his sons according to the name of the country he ruled:
first son was named Petar after Aleksandar's father, who was Serb, 
the second son was named Tomislav after the most celebrated Croatian
king Tomislav who ruled between 935 and 955 (approximately), and
the third son was named Andrea(j) which was, I guess, supposed to be
a typical Slovenian name. Therefore, Duvno got for the first time 
the name Tomislavgrad after the Croatian King Tomislav indirectly
through the name of Tomislav Karadjordjevic (by the way, Tomislav K.
has recently returned to YU, after 50 years of emigration).

I wonder if anybody can refute or corroborate the story.

ML
From: U15231@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Sandzak
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:34:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


MONTENEGRO WARNS OF CONFLICT IN THE SANDZAK. On 4 November the
pro-Montenegrin government daily Pobjeda reiterated a warning by
Montenegrin officials of a possible extension of fighting from
Bosnia-Herzegovina into the predominantly Muslim region of the
Sandzak which lies in both Serbia and Montenegro.  The daily also
reiterated Serb-Montenegrin claims that about 3,000 Sandzak
Muslims were fighting in Bosnia. Reports in the Serbian and
Croatian media have said that both Sandzak Serbs and Muslims were
well-armed. In August Sandzak Muslim leader Sulejman Ugljanin
called for the deployment of UN peace-keeping forces.  During the
course of the year Belgrade has deployed many police and army
troops to the region, numbering more than 30,000 men, according to
Muslim accounts.  Ugljanin said that 70,000 Sandzak Muslims had
left their homes under pressure from Serbian paramilitary groups
which had also threatened local Serbs and Montenegrins sympathetic
to their Muslim neighbors. Radio Serbia reported on 4 November
that several Sandzak Serb organizations had accused Ugljanin of
"openly declaring war" on Serbia and demanded his arrest. (Milan
Andrejevich, RFE/RL, Inc.)
From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Tomislav rides again
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92317.141724U52148
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I would like to fill you in Rasputin (if I can call you that). The sight that
the town of Tomislavgrad was originally called Livno. It is on a valley
which is called Livanjsko Polje. It was the place that Kink Tomislav was
crowned King of the Croatians. The towns inhabitants are pretty much Cro.
I think they like the name. Since you were so nice in asking, I won't give
you my plan for renaming towns in "Krajina".

-Cro...
From: arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic)
Subject: Re: Bosnian language, More Citations
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:26:39 GMT

deniz@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:

>In article <Bx7JMD.7DB@me.utoronto.ca> arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic) writes:
>>
>>
>>And there is a Bosnian variant of Serbo-Croatian language(s),
>>in short Bosnian. While I would leave the issue to be
>>resolved scientifically by the linguists in a less-heated
>>political setting, let me mention only a few words, as a example,
>....
>>and Croatians in Croatia say "stoljece". For "week", Croatians say
>>"tjedan", Serbians say "sedmica" and we say "hefta".

>And we say "hafta" .  Does this mean we speak the same language??  Let's
>not get too carried away with armchair linguistics.  

>That there are regional differences in a language does not mean that they
>ought to be classified as different languages.  Get a Spaniard to talk
>of getting a cab Argentina and watch the horrified Argentinians.  Yet
>they both speak Spanish.  

>regards,
>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

If you read my previous post I mentioned Bosnian *variant* of S-H.
I still do believe that the language spoken by majority of people
living (before ethnic genocide) in former Yugoslav republics
Bosnia-Hercegovina, Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia is the SAME
with several variants. However, if Serbians prefer to call it Serbian,
Croatians call it Croatian, then there is no reason why Bosnian VARIANT
shouldn't be called BOSNIAN.
Furthermore, given the open aspirations of nationalistic Serbs and Croats
to carve up B-H and join its parts to Greater Croatia and Greater Serbia,
the language issue becomes the political issue.

Senad Arnautovic




> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic)
Subject: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:39:55 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov8.175715.18372@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>Do you suggest that the Serbs were already
>in power in Bosnia-Hercegovina when they started the war?
>
>*That* is the difference.

hm. Netiher Serbs nor Croats nor Muslims were in power in BH. There was
supposedly a coalition government headed by the Izetbegovic. The principles
of the coalition (again supposedly) were NOT to suceede from Yugoslavia. The
coalition broke up when the Izetbegovic made a move toward "independence".


and another thing: you suggest (vithout any room for misinterpretation) that
Serbs were the ones who started the war. hm... let's see:

for every conflict in BH => Serb(s) started it.

hm... I better take another logic class...

Nik
P.S. I will probably regrett of getting into this discussion, but what the
hell somebody has to do it...
--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC)
Subject: Congratualations may be premature
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:26:20 GMT


Clinton is indeed much better for Croatia than Bush, BUT can we
be sure he will help put a stop to this! 

Svih znamo da politicari jedno misle, drugo govore, pa treco rade!


ZA DOM SPREMNI
Robert Ljubicic
From: s924099@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Petar Kozul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: PRVA PRISEGA - 1. BOJNA HERCEG STJEPANA (KONJIC)
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:25:20 GMT

Halo,
	I watched a very recent video the other day which showed the 
"swearing in" of a battallion in northern Hercegovina. On the 4th October,
(last month) was the "prva prisega" of the 1st BOJNA of the HERCEG-STJEPAN
brigade. 
	The HERCEG-STJEPAN brigade has 3 battallions:

1. BOJNA - KLIS (a region in Konjic)
2. BOJNA - KONJIC (central district)
3. BOJNA - JABLANICA (a neighbouring county)

	The 1. BOJNA has a total of 1600 men (volunteers) and potentially
thousands more (when mobilised). Out of the 1600 men (and some women),
1200 are armed and uniformed, while 400 are unarmed and without uniform.
	The leader of this 1. BOJNA (Mr. Sagolj) has made appeals all 
around the world for aid, and in Melbourne people have already begun raising
money for this battallion and the rest of the brigade.

		*	*	*	*	*

Some disheartening information:


> KONJIC, B-H - Heavy artillery shells landed on all parts  of  Konjic  on
> Sunday. The town, located approximately 50 kilometers southwest of Sara-
> jevo, reported extensive damage to civilian buildings from  the  attack.
> Two people were reported killed and an unknown number wounded.


> Popis 1991.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Opcina        Ukupno  -  Hrv.     Musl.     Srb.     Jug.(%)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jablanica     12.664    17,8      72,1       4,0
> Konjic        43.636    26,0      54,5      15,2
From: skumar@optima.UUCP (Shailesh Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Do You Even Know? (was Re: who was in 'power' in BH)
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:10:04 GMT

From article <1dsnc1INNggh@girtab.usc.edu>, by jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar):
> 
> Assalamu Alaikum....
> 
> Auzu Billahi Min Ash-Shaitan Nirajeem.  Bismillah...
> 
> In article <1992Nov11.161615.17354@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
> 
>> ...  Islamic law applied of Christians, you would like to see that again?
> 
> I would....  But I wonder, do you even know what Islamic Law 
> is?
> 
> The reason Yugoslavia (and other places) are such a mess is 
> due to the lack of a ruling system based on truth and justice.
				
					and public whipping ?

> The Islamic form of government is the only one offering peace and
> stability and the protection of human rights, but nobody bothers
> to practice it.
> 
> (Which is especially frustrating within the so-called 'Islamic 
> countries'....)

So why don't you fix your own house first ?

> 
>>sigh<
> 
> I fear that the world won't get the picture until the U.S.
> collapses.  (Probably within the next ten years.)  With the 

And why is U.S a more potential candidate for collapse than any other
country in the world ? Pray enlighten.

> failure of Socialism and Democracy, maybe they'll get around to
> considering Islam simply because they haven't tried it, yet....

Why don't the propagators of Islam practice what they preach and *prove*
that it *is better* rather than beating an empty drum.

> 
> Allah knows best....
> 
> -AQ


-aks














Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Call It Anything but Peace
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:33:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.180406.18652@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Andrej Brodnik (abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
>)I said:
>))I agree that UN presence in Kosovo would be nice, but the problem
>))is that from international point of view Kosovo is part of Yugo-
>))slavia and an internal affair. And, in any case, there are only
>))two ways the UN could station troops in Kosovo: by admission or
>))by invasion.
>)...
>)A couple of comments here. First of all it is always better to prevent
>)than to deal with troubles. This was a very true in case of B&H. If UN
>)would be faster and more sharp in spring this year, when there was
>)still peace in country, I think there would not be such escalation of
>)dishumanity.
>
>Or maybe if the EC and the UN hadn't been in such a hurry with B-H.
>I know you hate to hear it, but at that time there existed only
>one sensible solution for B-H which could preserve peace. Today
>there is no sensible solution at all.

First of all, what was that solution you are referring to?
Furthermore, IMHO the recognition was just an excuse (a pretty bad
one) to start the war. In any case, the recognition was given to the
country and nothing else -- i.e. to no Izetbegovic or any other man.

Do you know why there was no WWIII regardless of huge stock of weapons
on all sides in the time of cold war? Not because one or the other
side was that clever. No, because there was a balance of strength (or
at least a kind of it).

Now in ex-YU one side had all the weapon disposal and hence they used
them and they would (I know, here is a conditional) use them to
achieve what they want if all other fails.

My Serbian friend told me three years ago when we were discussing the
problem of Serbs in B&H that "it will we somehow arranged" to make a
bridge between Serbia proper and West of B&H. I firmly believe that he
didn't though that it will be "arranged" in the way it was (or is).
But when you are playing with fire, you got burnt. Only in this case
the most burnt are Muslims ...

So IMO the main culprit for the masacres is Army and those its
officers who armed "bare handed people" to defend themselves. My kid
is safe as long we have cutlery on a safe place. But when she gets
knife she might get hurt, and if she does not get it, she won't be
hungry -- don't worry!

Regards,

Andrej
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:507 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9461
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Bosnia: Muslims Vanish in Croat Onslaught on Bosnian Town
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 21:59:57 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser) writes:

> In article <1992Nov3.083353.17049@husc3.harvard.edu>
> stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) repeats what in article
> <1d1pdlINN540@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan
> Pavlovic) writes:
> 
> [excerpts from an article  from "The Guardian" published on Oct. 28, 1992.]
> ...
> >    The town of  Prozor,  which nestles in a wooded valley along the advanci
> >frontier of the Croatian statelet of Herzeg-Bosne, was four days ago a quiet
> >busy community, a safe distance from the Serbian front lines and sitting on 
> >so-called "road of salvation" along which winter aid is to be shipped to the
> >central Bosnian front.
> >    It was a pretty town of 15,000 people, a third of them Muslims, its main
> >street lined with cafes.
> ...
> >    It was confirmed by the Bosnian army last night that there are no Muslim
> >left in  Prozor  now after only two days of bombardment and "cleansing" by t
> >Croatian units moved into the town for the operation.
> 
> I am surprised that these Croatians allegedly cleared out an entire
> town in less than 4 days, when it took the entire Yugo Army more than
> 3 months to invade Vukovar.  It took the Yugo Army's Bosnian Serb
> contingent more than 5 months to invade Jajce.  Are the Croats
> really 30 times better fighters than the Serbs?
> 
> 
> >Milan Pavlovic
> 
> Victor
> 
> 

You better believe it!

Za Dom Spremni !


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