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From: evanderw@mpr.ca (Eva Vanderwerf)
Subject: Re: Ironman Canada      
Keywords: IRONMAN PENTICTON TRIATHLON
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:19:32 GMT

HI,
	for those of you who haven't heard, its now official:
	the World Ironman Association has granted the Ironman CAnada
	license to a 'society',and the 1992 Penticton Ironman WILL
	happen this year.

	See you all in Penticton in August!

Eva
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Help w/ Side Cramps???
From: mjwilson@amherst.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:09:45 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

Okay, I need some help with something I've never seen addressed anywhere before:
I frequently get some TERRIBLE side-aches/side-cramps during the run leg of
races. 

First question: what exactly is happening to me physically?  I feel sharp pains
at the beginning and end of breaths, and worse when it's a deep breath.  The
pain is located immediately below my rib cage, on one side or the other 
(almost always the right) of my abdominals.  From my limited knowledge of
physiology, that says "it's the muscles that move your diaphragm," but
that's about all I know.  Can anyone give me a firmer diagnosis?

Second question: what's causing it?  I initially assumed it was my running--
my weakest and newest sport.  Since it almost always occurred after
transitions, I began to focus on my riding form.  Then this spring, on
my first two long rides I got the same cramps JUST riding the bike; this
has never happened before.  So now I'm thinking it's some combination of
my breathing pattern and riding form, with an emphasis on the former.  Help?
Why did it start happening on the bike all of a sudden?  Also, what role
might diet play (especially riding on an empty stomach)?

Third: (obviously) what should I do?  Suggestions have included: running
with my forearms lower; doing more sit-ups (MORE?); stretching my abdominals
before exercise; avoiding citric acid; shallow breathing at the "bottom"; 
shallow breathing at the "top"; regular deep breathing.  Quoth the trainer:
"No one's really sure why they happen."

When the cramps actually hit, I raise one or both arms over my head to
"stretch" my diaphragm and rib cage (running that way if need be, but 
it's dangerous on a bike :)  This is the only thing that seems to help.

Thanks in advance for any advice,

-michael
mjwilson@amherst.edu
From: SMB100G@ODUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: SWIMMING TETHER
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:02:53 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University

OUR APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS A POOL BUT DOES NOT ALLOW LAP SWIMMING.
THEIR REASONS ARE NUMEROUS AND INANE, BUT I'M TIRED OF FIGHTING.
I HAVE HEARD THAT THERE IS SOME TYPE OF TETHER OR HARNESS THAT CAN
BE USED TO "SWIM IN PLACE" IN SMALL POOLS SUCH AS FOUND IN HOTELS.
CAN ANYONE GIVE INFO ON THIS?  ARE THEY HOMEMADE DEVICES (IF SO, HOW)
OR STORE BOUGHT (IF SO WHERE, HOW MUCH)?
THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS.
SHERRY
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:20:04 GMT
Subject: Derivation of "brick"?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon


I know I should know the answer to this question, but I don't.

I know that a "brick"  workout is a  bike-run.  My question is how the word
"brick" came to describe it.

Is it short for "Bike-Run-ICK!"?

Is it a joke for how your legs feel afterwards?

-- LSC
From: gilson@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Mike Gilson ............... x 3135)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Carbs in foods????
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:36:52 EST

In article <1992Apr16.144251.24773@acs.ucalgary.ca>, 
	spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau) writes:
> In article <RMELVIL.92Apr15090119@hughes.hacgate.UUCP> 
	rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville) writes:
>>
>>FIGS man, figs !
>  ^^^^
> 
> See the latest edition of Bicycling magazine where they too
> suggest you eat Figs, but in the form of Fig Newtons, rather than
> figs alone
> 
	Having tried both in training, I opted for figs in racing
	since they are not as dry as Fig Newtons...
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From: mjwilson@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!#$@^&...CRASH!
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.143936.3747@iscsvax.uni.edu>, luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu
(Phil Luebke) writes:

> In the few races I've participated in, I did
> the entire race in my swimswuit.  Needless to say, I feel I would be rather
> vulnerable in a bike wreck.  For those of you that have experienced this, do
> you think the increased transition time (and possible loss of aerodynamics) are
> worth wearing more clothes?  Or is it one of those inevitable things where
> you're going to get scraped up anyway, so what's a few more?
> 
> 
> -Phil

Well, I took a dive last September, in the first race in which I wore ONLY
a swimsuit.  Good timing, huh?  (And for those of you who say crashes shouldn't
happen in a triathlon, well, you're right.  But tell that to the guy who
designed a race course that included a speed bump immediately after a hard
left-hand turn.  My only warning was a volunteer who yelled something at me
as I whizzed by on the aero-bars....)

Anyway, yes I was pretty marked up, and a jersey and shorts would've helped
for my hip and shoulder.  But I _was_ wearing the swimsuit, and the asphalt
just tore through that.  More clothing would not have helped my knee or hand,
which took the deepest and most painful wounds (okay, I could've worn gloves
too, but I _never_ wear those).  As it was, those are what hurt the most
during the run (yep, macho idiot), and what took the longest to heal
afterwards.

I'll do it again; it was a freak fall, and gave me a good war-story :)

-michael
mjwilson@amherst.edu

From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:15:57 GMT
Subject: Canadien is a GO GO GO
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

FLASH FLASH FLASH  FLASH  FLASH  FLASH  FLASH  FLASH  FLASH 

Just recieved word: 

   THE 1992 CANADIEN IRONMAN TRIATHLON IS A GO!!! 

I spoke to a friend today, 4/9/92, who recieved a call
from the new race director: Jean Clifford, she said there
will be a 1992 edition of the Canadien Ironman. 

Word is getting out as I write to Triathlon Today, and 
other trade rags, so stay tuned, there will be a lot of
press. 

I was assured that people in Penticton are very excited
and very much behind Jean.  I know Jean has been involved 
with the race since it's inception. She knows the needs
of the competitors, and how to put on a 1st class event.

This is good news for everyone who has done the event, or
is in training for it now.  It is one of the corner stones
of the sport and we should be glad it's not going away.

Stay tuned
- RC
From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: New Shimano PD-A525 Sport Pedal..WELL?
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:30:45 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I take it nobody has any information on the new Shimano pedal?  Is this right?

-Phil
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        Phil Luebke              With a face that's made for kissin'
 luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu      What kind of god gives you a rod
                                 And says you can't go fishin'?"
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Subject: Olympic splits
From: paul@fivegl.co.nz (Paul James Murray)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: paul@fivegl.co.nz (Paul James Murray)
Organization: Task Management Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand



Does anyone know how the Olympic distance splits of 1.5km swim, 40km bike
and 10km run were decided apon? These would appear crucial to the nature of
the Olympic event, and perhaps even determines who will win the race!
I assume the weights where selected so as not to give any of the three events
an advantage over the others, but did they (who ever 'they' are) get it right.
The sport has been alive and relatively healthy for over ten years and the
splits for top athletes in the three disciplines have settled down to their
respective levels. Perhaps the distances need to be reviewed before the
official Olympic event is held.

Take Mike Pigg for example. Would he still be one of the worlds best if the
distances were say 2km swim, 30km bike and 10km run? Sure he would still kick
the butt of nearly everyone in the sport, but when it comes down to the `big
race' we are only talking of three positions, namely gold, silver and bronze.
Is he getting too much of an advantage over the rest of the field because he
gets to hammer for a good 55 min on the bike leaving the strongest runners
only appox 32 min to fight back, and even worse the poor unfortunate swimmers
only have 18 min to try and make a break? (By the way, cycling is my weakest
event if you havn't guessed).

One solution may be to take six athletes:
  1) Joe your average novice swimmer    2) Jim your average elite swimmer
  3) John your average novice cyclist   4) Jack your average elite cyclist
  5) Jean your average novice runner    6) Jane your average elite runner

(I know 'average elite' is an oxymoron, but as long as the samples are over
a large enough population of novice and elite athletes the results should
still be quite meaningful)

Each athlete performs a number of time trials over a number of different
distances and the times are recorded. From these we could calculate how far
each discipline should be so that the difference between Jim's and Joe's time
is the same as the difference between Jack's and John's and likewise for Jane
and Jean. We also make sure that when the elite times for each discipline are
combined the whole event takes a little less than two hours and there you have
your 'fair' Olympic distance event.

Any comments?
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From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Trek 5200 Review
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:37:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

In article <113520119@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
> Bike As Built:
> 
>   Frame: Trek 5200/5500
>   Group: Shimano Ultegra 600 7-speed (it came with 8-speed STI)
>   Saddle: Selle Italia Turbomatic (it came with a Selle Italia Flite)
>   Wheels: Matrix ISO-C II *clincher*
>   Bars:   Profile AirWave with SwiftShifts
>   Stem:   TTT 84  140mm  (It came with 100mm)
>   Cranks: 172.5 mm (it came with 170mm)
>   Pedals: Look Carbon Pro

> The greatest thing about this bike is the price -- $1999.  The Kestrel EMS
> (which today is the only real competition) is about $800 more.
> 
> 
> -- LSC


How could you?  How COULD you?  Of all the low-down things?  How could you? 
You go out and buy the dream bike for triathletes?  I have had wonderful
dreams, out hammering Scott Molina on my Trek 5200.  

As I sit, injured and lustfully eyeing the Trek 5200 centerfold in Triathlete
magazine - you go and write this rave review of this wonderful bike.  Cruel
world - cruel world!!!

Rolf
arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu

PS  Did you say only $1999 minus the STI recovered cost?

Hmmmmm....
Organization: Senior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:45:40 -0400 
From: Daniel Joseph Candela <dc49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!#$@^&...CRASH!
	<1992Apr14.011019.1@amherst.edu>

I wreck once wearing lycra shorts and a t shirt and i still got road
rash through the t shirt or rather the t shirt ripped and then i got
road rash.

dan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Re: Carbs in foods????
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:22:12 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <RMELVIL.92Apr15090119@hughes.hacgate.UUCP> rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville) writes:

>   |> >>  What foods have the most carbohydrates in them???
>   |> >>
>   Bagels, Bananas, Pasta, Potatoes, Raisins, Rice, Oatmeal, etc...

>FIGS man, figs !

 As I understand it, it's best to ingest complex carbs. At least this is what
the back label of Ultra Fuel says. I also think I've read this in some mags.
 Because of this it would probably be better to eat the breads and pastas, over
the raisins and figs since the latter has a lot of sugars which wouldn't be
as good. (I think I read that sugar actually has a negative effect on recovery).
 If it hasn't already been mentioned, it is essential to recarb as soon after
an endurance workout as possible. I would think eating carbs while on the w.o.
and afterwards would even be better. I've found that it does make a big difference in how I feel the next day.

Paul

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From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!#$@^&...CRASH!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:04:33 GMT

In article <Udup_4600UhWA6ikxI@andrew.cmu.edu> dc49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Joseph Candela) writes:
>I wreck once wearing lycra shorts and a t shirt and i still got road
>rash through the t shirt or rather the t shirt ripped and then i got
>road rash.

Well I have had cycling briefs, cycling shorts, leg warmers and tights on in
an early season crit. and I went down.  The leg warmers were torn appart,
the tights lightly torn, the shorts ok and the briefs shreaded.  The number
of layers does not seem to matter.  The only solution would be to have leather
sides on the shorts and leather shoulders on the shorts (if bikers can hit
the pavement at 60+mph and not get scarred it has to be good).  I always wear
leather gloves and would pick gloves over a helmet any day of the week because
my hands always hit first and control my impact.
  - Eric 
//  Of course I had plenty of road rash but the $$ in clothing hurt more.
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:05:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Apr16.140555.26501
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.034038.12172@leland.Stanford.EDU> schabert@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert) writes:
>Rolf says:
>
>>However, I still feel that weight reduction on ***ROTATING*** parts can have
>>significant effect on performance and endurance in long events.  
>
>Here here!  Weight (actually mass) on rotating parts increases that
>part's moment of inertia, which in turn increases the force required to
>rotate the object.  However, the effect is much more pronounced on parts
>where the force is applied close to the axle (e.g., the rear wheel) than
>where the force is applied near the full radius of rotation (e.g.,
>pedals). 

Huh?  Rotational energy is mass times speed squared times radius.  It
doesn't matter how the speed was achieved; the energy is invariant.
The salient fact for time-trials is that at constant speed, the change
in rotational energy is zero.

Even if you do have to accelerate from a complete stop, the rotational
energy is insignificant.  A simple experiment will convince you of
this: put your bike on a wind-trainer, and adjust the roller so that
it does not touch the wheel.  Put the bike in a medium gear (42x15,
say), and spin the wheel up to 25 mph.  Nothing to it, huh?  This is
one-half of the total rotation energy stored in the bike.  Now put the
roller back on the wheel, and repeat--it'll take quite an effort to
get up to 25 mph.  This gives you a graphic demonstration of just how
little rotational energy is actually stored in your wheels.

In criteriums and other races where sprinting is required and races
are won by centimeters or less, a few onces of rotational weight may
make a difference.  In a time trial they certainly do not.

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: cs4gp6ac@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Lizard King)
Subject: Re: Another pedal question
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:55:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.095536.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>This is my thrid and final attempt at posting this question on our stubborn
>system here.  
>
>Has anyone seen those new pedals?
>
>Yeah, I know - vague question.
>
>They were advertised in the latest issue of Triathlon Today, in the Special
>Merchandising Section I think.  They are round and symmetric top and bottom. 
>This allows the cleat to lock in from either the pedal top or bottom with equal
>effectiveness.  While I like the solid train car connection of my LOOK pedals,
>their hefty weight has me concerned, especially when I am trying to reduce
>weight on my bike.  
>
>Anyway, any and all comments welcomed.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Rolf
>arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu

WEIGHT!?!?!?  Why not cut off your left arm?  It must weigh a lot and
you should be able to steer your bike fairly well with practice.

Seriously, the amount of weight saved by lightening your bike this way
will not significantly affect your time.  This goes as well for all the
other toys I've seen on the market.  Most people would be better off
trying to get their strength increased and their body fat decreased
rather than buying carbon-fiber-ultra-light-flashy-green-not-to-mention-
expensive stuff to put on their bikes.

regards,

RLB

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: sjang@cs.ubc.ca (Stanley Jang)
Subject: Shimano PD-A525 pedals
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 21:42:03 GMT


> I saw that funky new clipless pedal from Shimano (PD-A525 Sport Pedal) in the
> Performance catalog and was thinking about buying it.  For just under $100, it
> seemed like a pretty good deal to me (who has never owned a clipless pedal
> system).  I was just wondering if anybody out there had heard anything about
> these pedals or if anyone owns some.  Any comments would be appreciated.
>                                         Thanks,
>                                                 Phil

I bought two pairs of these pedals and well as the Shimano SPD shoes that
go with them for the tandem that I just bought.  I've never used SPD's
before, so had some trouble clicking in at first.  I have a pair of Shimano
Dura-Ace clipless and a pair of Sampson Stratics Ti as well.  For sport &
recreational use (such as touring) or commuting or running errands, the
SPD's are great.  However, I don't think that anyone makes a road racing
shoe which is SPD compatible, so racers who want to use SPD's will have
to settle for less than stiff soles.  I think that Shimano will soon have
road shoes which will be drilled for SPD's, but may not have the cleat
recessed.

So, if you want the pedals for racing but you still want the convenience
of a recessed cleat, go for it.  Also, the PD-A525's are lighter than any
Look compatible pedals.

Stan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: edwardb@odie.cs.mun.ca (Edward Byrne)
Subject: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:05:37 GMT


Ok out there the call for votes just came out and it wasn't cross posted
to us tri guys and girls so i took the libertery to make sure that everyone
woh reads this newsgroup knows that it's time to vote for this new news group

I personally think that it's a great idea being a former varsity swimmer
and partispating in about 8 triathalon's so far i can't wait to get new
training tips from some other swimmers out there and share some of my own
workouts with anyone interest through this news group.

	below is a copy of the call for votes and how to vote
=================================================================
                             CALL FOR VOTES
                             --------------
NAME:

rec.sport.swimming

CHARTER:

To provide a forum for the open discussion of competitive swimming worldwide. 
This would include any and all discussion of happenings in the world of
swimming, any debates about various governing agencies' rules and regulations,
meet schedules, and even discussion on technique and training.

STATUS:

Unmoderated

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ALL VOTES SHOULD BE E-MAILED TO:

swimming-vote@iscsvax.uni.edu    *** NOTE: different than mine!

On the "Subject:" line, type "yes" if you approve of the formation of the new
newsgroup, and "no" if you disapprove.  In the body, type in, explicitly, which
way you cast your vote.

        e.g.    YES ==> I vote FOR rec.sport.swimming as proposed.
                NO ===> I vote AGAINST rec.sport.swimming as proposed.

You don't have to use these exact words, but your statement must be UNAMBIGUOUS
and UNCONDITIONAL.

No votes shall be posted to the NEWS, nor sent to my address.  Only votes sent
to swimming-vote@iscsvax.uni.edu will be counted.  A neutral party will be
conducting the tabulation of votes.  There shall be only one vote per person. 
If any one person casts more than one vote, only the most recent vote shall
count.

VOTING PERIOD:

April 4 1992 through April 25, 1992 2400 hours (midnight).
*** all times Central Standard (U.S.) ***

Only votes cast DURING the voting period will count.

To pass, rec.sport.swimming needs a 2/3 majority AND 100 more "yes" votes than
"no" votes.

                                        -Phil
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Another pedal question
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:08:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.095536.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>effectiveness.  While I like the solid train car connection of my LOOK pedals,
>their hefty weight has me concerned, especially when I am trying to reduce
>weight on my bike.  

Don't worry about a pound or two.  Weight does not make much difference in
a time trial.  Heck it does not make much difference at the olympics.
  If you are fast what does make a difference is air drag.  The frame is
aprox 30% of the total drag and than can be reduced by about 50% by getting
a good aero frame (Kestrel 4000).  Of course if you are weight consious you
can get the EMS version (the newer EMS one should be close to 2lb).  Just
remember that the faster you go the less weight matters and the more 
aerodynamics matters.
  If you don't have the bike power program I can post the C source code.  It
will estimate your speed (or power required ...) give slope, wind, weight
etc.  However, it is only an approximation because the human engine  is just
a bit of a mystery.  There are also 2 Scientific American articles on 
aerodynamics and as always "Science of Cycling" by Burke is a good start.
  The olympic data came to the conclusion that for the 4km pursuit/sprint
a weight increase of 4lb is equivalent to 8" of exposed brake cable perpendic-
ular to the wind (data at 30 mph).  And that was only due to a slower accel.
The weight is irrelevant as long as your are not doing lots of climbing
(then its only insignificant) :-)
  -  Eric
// I don't want the world, just your half.  - They Must be Giants 
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