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From: control3@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mark Readman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: swollen fingers
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:06:59 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: control3@aragorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


Whenever I go mountain walking at the end of the
day my fingers and hands become swollen. The skin is 
tight. Why does this happen ? The swelling goes down 
after a few hours and there seems to be no lasting effect. 
I work out quite a bit and consider myself to be in 
reasonable shape with a low resting heart beat.
Just curious. 
Thanks.
Mark.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steve Myerson)
Subject: Re: Contest Winners : )
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:53:01 GMT

In article <horwath.718461903@geode11> George Horwath writes:
*  
*  The winners of the National Enquirer's Biggest Biceps in 
*  America contest are:
*  
*  1. Willie Lewis, a Philadelphia security guard, at 23 1/4". Willie
*     is 6'1" tall and 310 lbs. He benches 605 lbs. and squats 900 lbs.
*     for three reps.
*  
*  2. D.D. Nichols of Tuscaloosa, Ala., at 21 3/4"
*  
*  3. Charles Loesch of Bloomington, Minn., at 20 3/8".

But they left out Hulk Hogan and his 24" pythons!
Insert :-) as required.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath)
Subject: Contest Winners : )
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:45:03 GMT

or, better known as Muscle in Tabloid....

The winners of the National Enquirer's Biggest Biceps in 
America contest are:

1. Willie Lewis, a Philadelphia security guard, at 23 1/4". Willie
   is 6'1" tall and 310 lbs. He benches 605 lbs. and squats 900 lbs.
   for three reps.

2. D.D. Nichols of Tuscaloosa, Ala., at 21 3/4"

3. Charles Loesch of Bloomington, Minn., at 20 3/8".

First prize was $200 with the two runner ups winning $100 each.



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From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Clenbuterol Clarification
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:01:22 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article 383@nntp.uoregon.edu, mtp@oregon.uoregon.edu (Matthias Pohl) writes:
:In article <1992Oct06.004713.26935@eng.umd.edu:, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
:: 
:: 
:: The August 15, 1992 issue of Lancet had an article on clenbutarol. Here's
:: the gist of what it said:
:
:[...stuff deleted...]
: 
:: It is readily available everywhere in the world, except the U.S.A.
:
:[...stuff deleted...]
:
:I know for a fact that Clenbuterol is banned for use in humans not only in the US but also in the member countries of the EC. There was a time  (not
:sure if that info is still up-to-date) when Clenbuterol was legally used
:by cattle ranchers. Eat more steak...:):):)
:
:BTW, Clenbuterol plus (marketed by Strength Systems) actually seems to contain what the label says. However at a dosage of 20 mcg (mcg = microgram; 1000 mcg = 1 mg) per tablet...well, as the effective dosage is somewhere between 10 and 25 mg/ day one would have to swallow a lot of tablets :). I figure that because of this low concentration the FDA con-
:siders Clenbuterol plus homeopathetic and therefore does not impose any
:sales restrictions.
:
:/Matthias


What does the label say? Clenbuterol Plus doesn't contain any real clenbuterol,
that's for sure. It's a scam (as all Strength Systems products seem to be).

25 mg of clenbuterol? That would kill you!!! According to _Anabolic Reference
Guide_, the normal dosage used by bodybuilders is from 60 to 120 mcg.

Jan
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Another question about bulking up for vegg
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:22:48 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article 22558@wam.umd.edu, davidcam@wam.umd.edu (David Gordon Campbell) writes:
:I have seen articles on the net in the past on  how a pencil-neck geek
:vegan like me can bulk up, i.e. add muscle mass.  Somebody gave references
:to articles in Muscle & Fitness.  Not being able to find a library near me with back issues, I was at a loss.
:
:Are there any books out there, that might help?
:
:I guess I could send to M & F for back issues, but frankly, I'm too cheap.  I
:kinda wanted to browse before I buy.
:
:So, are there any books for Vegans on bulking up?  Or can someone recommend
:something else.
:
:Thanks, DC 

I know what you can do. Go to a newsstand and start reading a copy of M & F.
Then you pretend you have a heart attack. Hold on to the copy of M & F. You
can really make it look dramatic if you fall forward and desperately grab
some other muscle magazines as well. Hold on to the magazines like you have a
really bad cramp. Then you can read the magazines in the ambulance for free!

If you're lucky maybe you'll get some steroid injections at the hospital :-)

Jan



Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: split routine question-TOO MANY SETS!
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:43:04 GMT

: 
: Monday: Legs
:            Squats (2 warm up sets, 1 regular set)
:            Leg Curls (1 warm up, 1 regular set)
:            Standing Calf Raises  (1 warm up, 2 regular sets)
:         Total Sets for the Day:  4
: 
: Tuesday: Aerobics, abs
: 
: Wednesday: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
:              Incline Bench Press (2 warm up sets, 2 regular sets)
:              Dumbell Bench Press (1 warm up sets, 2 regular sets)       
:              Lateral Raises      (1 warm up, 1 regular set)
:              Dumbell Shoulder Press  (1 warm up, 2 regular)
:              Dips                (1 regular)
:            Total Sets for the Day:  8
:                       for Chest:  4
:                       for Shoulders: 3
:                       for Triceps:  1
: 
: Thursday: Aerobics, abs
: 
: Friday: Back, Biceps 
:             Chins  (1 warm up, 2 regular)
:             Dumbell Rows  (1 warm up, 2 regular)
:             Cable Rows   (1 warm up, 1 regular)
:             Dumbell Curls  (1 warm up, 1 regular)
:          Total sets for the day: 6
:                     for back:  5
:                     for biceps: 1
: 
: Saturday: Aerobics, abs
: 
: Sunday: rest

In my mind hitting any muscle group only once a week is not enough to get
any gain.  As a minimum if you want gain hit each group at least every 
third day. This workout seems okay for a maintance type routine but a lot
soft for building anything up.  What kind of weigt are we talking about
on these sets and reps? : 


Example 4 sets of Incline presses could be okay for me if they were 
done this way.

   Set 1 16 reps at 165 lbs
   Set 2 12 reps at 200 lbs
   Set 3  8 reps at 235 lbs
   Set 4  5 reps at 250 lbs

Even this is a quickie in my mind as I believe that if an exercise is worth
doing then its worth 6 sets.  If you don't have the time pick exercises that
work many muscles rather than isolation type exercises.
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:35:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct7.203551.11144
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University

ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner) writes:

>I most whole-heartedly agree.  I usually try and do flys after my chest
>routine, but all too often I see people in the gym who think that 5 sets
>of flat-bench makes a good chest workout.  Didn't Arnold make _incline_
>bench his staple for chest workout, not the flat bench?  For the past
>9 months or so I have switched so I do incline bench first in my
>workout, then flat bench, and I have noticed deinite improvement in
>my build (and strength).

How does the Universal bench compare to real bench as far as results
for most of you?  I heard for years that machines were inferior to
"real" weights, but I scoffed it away as nonsense.  As I was doing
flat bench and incline at the time it didn't matter anyway.

Recently I've been doing 6-8 sets of U-bench, then sometimes a few flys
as my chest workout.   I've been avoiding free weight bench because
I work out alone.   I've noticed great improvement in my leg strength
from machine squats in the last 3 or 4 months, but about _zero_ in my 
chest strength.

I need to change the chest part of my workout to get some results.
I'm thinking of supersetting 8 sets of 8 of U-bench with something like
lats, then doing another 8 sets of Flys or something supersetted with
my rows.

Anyone else had this problem or have some ideas on fixing it?

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: WeightLifting Books
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:35:42 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Oct13.015247.22710@news.Hawaii.Edu> bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.234535.5685@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>In article <s04-g-A@engin.umich.edu> hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
>>>
>>>Can anyone recomend a good weightlifting/body building book?
>>>I am especially interested in a book written by a MD.
>
>	What the hell does a MD know about Weightlifting!

If he's a former competitive athlete who also happens to be a sports-
medicine physician, like Gabe Mirkin, he knows quite a bit.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mmccrimm@drd.com (Mark.McCrimmon)
Subject: Running causing very weak and sore ankles ??
Keywords: Help me..
Organization: DRD Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:53:06 GMT

	I recently starting running more than I ever have in my life. This statement
is not saying a whole lot. I run twice a week at about 9 miles total. Now that
I am being consistent I am having pains in my ankles. They feel very weak and
it is very hard to run on them. It takes about a half a week for the pain to
go down enough so that I can do it again. I don't want to totally lay off. In
two weeks I am to run in the Tulsa Run which is 9.3 miles long and I want to 
be ready. It seems that this never is a problem with many people. Is it that
I just have bad joints. I have also been getting pain in my wrists from 
lifting to much on the bench press. This also I cut down to twice a week.
I can't be getting old yet, I'm only 26....

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From: sjr@tsaroth.isis.org (Steve Rycroft)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Arms & Shoulders
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:45:04 GMT
Organization: Xak Tsaroth OS/2

        I've been working out for about one year now.  I've noticed some
good progress in most areas, however my biceps and shoulders aren't what
I would like them to be.

Right now, I work arms (specifically bicep) 3 times per week, and shoulders
directly once per week.  (Shoulders take a beating during my chest workout ;-)

Basically my bicep routine entails barbell arm curls with as much weight
as I can move without cheating for 3 sets of 6 reps.  (Well, I don't cheat
on the first two sets, however the last 2 reps of the third leave much
to be desired :-)

After that, I usually do 3 sets of dumbell curls or 3 sets of concentration
curls.

I did manage to gain half an inch on my arms after following the above
for about a month.  However, I now seem to be at a plateau.

What should I do to break out of this 'slump'?  Is 3 sets enough?  I've
read that 5 seems to be popular.  But I find that if I push myself hard
during the first 3 sets, the extra 2 are near impossible.

Right now, I only work triceps directly once per week.  Up until very
recently my triceps would burn out from flat benching.  However, lately
my arms feel fine after 'heavy' bench pressing (a nice feeling ;-)

My tricep work is fairly simple.  3 sets of 6 reps of narrow-grip bench
press and then 3 sets of 6 of weighted dips.  Again, I haven't been
making much progess in terms of tricep size in a long time.  What variations
would someone recommend?  Is this enough work?  Too much?

Now for the killer question:  What workout would be appropriate for gaining
size?  Flat bench, squat, and deadlift make up the core of my workout.  I do
bench twice per week, incline bench once, squat twice per week, and deadlift
once per week.  Add in the arm stuff I mentioned above and you essentially
have my workout.  I like to keep my workouts fairly short and intense.

Thanks,
        Steve

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Subject: Re: My Competition
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:29:55 GMT

loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
> Well, this weekend is it.  My competition is this Saturday.  My body is shaved
> and painted with Pro-tan.  I look like a homeless person and feel like shit!
> I just thought I'd post a few pre contest feelings.  Some people on the net
> requested that I share my experiences and views of being up on stage vs. being
> in the audience.  I will do that when I get back on Tuesday.  I figured I'd 
> post this now because my system is going down at 5pm tonight and won't be back
> up until sometime Saturday.  All I'll say for now is that it is alot tougher
> than I had ever thought, and I give much credit to those who can do it and 
> endure.  AFter the competition, I am taking the next two days off to rest, and
> EAT anything and everything that is fattening, salty, oily or just down right
> DISGUSTING TO EAT!!!  :-)
> 
> -Adios
> 
> -Rob

Rob - I think once you get up there you'll see that it's worth all the hard
work!  It's one of the hardest things you'll ever do.  I just did a show last
weekend and am doing another one on the 17th.  I feel great tho (except on
carb-deplete days).  You'll see that being up on stage is hard work too, but
I think you'll love it - especially at night when doing your routine and the
crowd is screaming for YOU!  Good luck!  Let us know how you made out.

Kelly.
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:25:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>In article <1992Oct7.151004.14470@spdc.ti.com> wall@spdc.ti.com (Raj Wall) writes:
>Flyes are great, and I usually do them at the end of each and every
>chest workout: but tell the person who told you than flat/incline
>benches are a waste of time that he doesn't know shit.
>
>If you were only to do 2 chest exercises for the rest of your life,
>it would be flat and incline presses.
>


I agree.  Now, I would say that dumbbell presses are more difficult
and require more synergistic muscle action of the tris, bis, delts,
pecs, wrist adductors, etc..  I have two items for discussion.

Is there any reason for straight bar benches to be better for anything?
Possibly reducing stress on some muscles to provide better stimulation
of the others?

I have a "catch" in my right shoulder.  I've rested it for weeks
from time to time, but it just makes getting back to benches that
much more uncomfortable.  It's worse with dumbbell presses, but
after a few sets, I get in the groove, and it eases up.  It doesn't
get worse, it doesn't get better.  It seems as though it's just a
particular plane through which my flexibility decreased after I
turned 30 or so.  It's just annoying.  It doesn't feel like
any kind of bursitis, nor does it ache after lifting.  It's just
damn uncomfortable to press in a particular position.  It feels like
either the upper biceps head and that groove in the clavicle (?)
where the tendon inserts, or possibly the outer head of the medial
deltoid.  It hurts only while lifting a "certain" way, or trying to,
for instance, put my arm high up in the middle of my back.  My left
arm is fine.  Also, it doesn't hurt at all at any other time (aside
from the normal burn I try to get all over, of course.)

Anyone else have anything like this and what did/do you do?

GMS
From: rpc@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert P Chauvin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Aerobic VS. Weights
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:39:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


I have a question I'd like to ask for my girlfriend.  Is it better to
just do aerobic exercises to lose weight in the legs?  She does both
aerobic (step, bicycle, etc.) and also trains with weights.  She has good
definition in her legs and does not want to stop using weights.  She
does want to lose some fat in her legs.  Can she continue to do both or
should she just concentrate on the aerobic exercises until the desired
weight is lost?
From: culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Anyone heard of Muscle Mix?
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:16:30 GMT
Followup-To: culpeppe@spdc.ti.com
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center


 Has anyone heard of some stuff called Muscle Mix? I used to see it in 
the magazines but I never pay any attention to it. A guy I just met said
he talked to alot of Natural Bodybuilders and his wife runs a healthfood
store and said the stuff worked real good for promoting size gains. I am
kinda skeptical but I can't see any reason for him to lie to me. It comes
in a bottle and you are supposed to put it under your tongue. I am always
skeptical of new products claiming stuff like this but have never had someone
give it a recommendation and I am curious if anyone ever heard of it.

Thanks,
Allen
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: glycogen (Was: Stupd (?) question about fat)
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:34:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Oct16.154438.6612@dtint.uucp> nevin@dtint.dtint.com writes:
>
>My solution has been to try one of those Doctor-administered liquid diets (from  
>Health Management Resources), together with some selective supplemental foods,  
>for about 1000 calories a day.

Quack. Quack. You need the advice of a registered dietician. Nobody with
any credentials would recommend a weight-loss diet of this sort. Try
instead eating lots of dried beans, fresh fruit and vegetables, whole
grains, and restrict your diary consumption to skim milk. In this
manner, you can restrict total dietary fat to about 20 grams per day.
It will cost much less than your commercial diet stuff, and you will
see better results.

During the interim, I recommend you follow alt.support.diet. It is
dedicated mostly to losing body fat, and there are some knowledgeable
participants, including MDs, who will guide you. In particular, if you
mention your liquid diet, you will surely get some informative
feedback.

>
>The result has been cronic fatigue.  I feel OK in the afternoon, and actually  

I believe you are training too hard. Six days a week of "VERY hard
training" is too much. In every athletic sport, you have your easy,
medium, and hard workout days. Remember, the recovery period is just
as essential as the workout itself. Otherwise, you risk injury, and
you'll be unable to workout at all. It happens all the time. 

Also, please restrict you text lines to 80 characters because your
posting scrolls funny on a standard 80-column terminal.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Excessive soreness
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:51:55 GMT

In article <Xs5JsB5w165w@waffle.sns.com> jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw) writes:
>I am getting back into shape after 2 years off due to insanity.
>I am having a problem which I had last time I got into shape,
>I get very toxic when my workout gets to 3 sets.  I am doing 
>30-40 minutes of aerobics and weights 4 days a week and since
>I moved up to 3 sets in my weight routine I am incredibly sore
>and stiff with symptoms like the flu during recovery.  The last
>time I got into shape I had this same problem.  Is my body
>learning to recover?  Is there any one out there who has had
>this problem and solved it?  Any suggestions are welcome.  My
>diet is decent, I drink plenty of water, watch my fat intake,
>and LOVE vegetables but these flu-like symptoms, aching over
>my kidneys (not muscle related) eyes sting, feel listless
>what can I do?  Thank you for any ideas you can pass along.

Sounds like you may doing it too much too soon.
I recommend a six month gradual program to build endurance first- to build up
the blood supply, make the joints and tendons supple, train the nerves well.
Then one can go into specialty train that might be strength workouts for
a lifter, speed for a runner or soccer player etc.
It took me six months to get the kinks out of running and weightlifting
(different years) and to fully recover from a serious shoulder injury.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Who won the Nationals?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:32:20 GMT

In article <t!zz+7f@rpi.edu> cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.145507.23055@scott.skidmore.edu> kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss) writes:

>>Couples winner Craig Lickers and Celina Martins from Massachusetts were in
>>the best condition, but the couple that took second deserved first for 
>>there "incredible" routine.  
>
>Just wanted to say: yay, home team!  whatever the hell that means...
>(hey!  Poo always gets excited when someone from his gym does well!)
>
>Ron

actually, ron, someone from my gym did compete at the nationals and did
well, but not great.  david goldman, '92 mr. massachusetts and '92 mr. new
england, competed as a middleweight at 176 pounds.  he placed 11th out of
forty in his class. that is not bad.  my coach was there, and she said
that he was outclassed by guys who had superb symmetry.  david's
limitation is that he is of the rich gaspari physique type.  very blocky.
his individual body parts are great, but together, he's boulder man,
unfortunately.  there ain't much one can do about that.

poobear
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: My Competition
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:52:14 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

Well, this weekend is it.  My competition is this Saturday.  My body is shaved
and painted with Pro-tan.  I look like a homeless person and feel like shit!
I just thought I'd post a few pre contest feelings.  Some people on the net
requested that I share my experiences and views of being up on stage vs. being
in the audience.  I will do that when I get back on Tuesday.  I figured I'd 
post this now because my system is going down at 5pm tonight and won't be back
up until sometime Saturday.  All I'll say for now is that it is alot tougher
than I had ever thought, and I give much credit to those who can do it and 
endure.  AFter the competition, I am taking the next two days off to rest, and
EAT anything and everything that is fattening, salty, oily or just down right
DISGUSTING TO EAT!!!  :-)

-Adios

-Rob