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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Trimbrakes (was Re: KUMBA (was Re: TOP GUN -- The Rides))
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:22:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.161629.2999@engage.pko.dec.com> buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley) writes:
>
>True -- there can be mid-course brakes that are used only for 
>set-ups/blocking purposes, but as you must have seen from the 
>model of KUMBA in ACE News, there is no place in the design 
>allocated for such a set of brakes!!  KUMBA's layout is all loops 
>and transistion trackwork.  I suspect that the blocking will be 
>done in sections in a VERY long brake run!!
>
>The Schwarzkopf steelies in Europe are famous for having several
>block brake runs which only come on when blocking gets off, or
>in setup situations.  I've never seen an Arrow steelie with a
>mid-course trim brake OFF during one-train operation ... they are
>always on, and have come to the personal conclusion that they are
>used to help regulate speed in the ride.  I'll just say that I
>like how B&M design their rides to control their own speed without
>the use of trim brakes.  I think they really ruin the excitement.

The Demon at Paramount's Great America (Arrow) has two sets out beyond
the second tunnel that is used for setup and blocking -- I've noticed
that they're not always on.

I would have to pull the operator's manuals in order to tell you for
sure...


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From: scott@svl.cdc.com (Scott Gerken)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: New B&M Inverted Looper - Paramount's Great America
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:35:44 GMT

Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com writes:

>Batman at Great America has a similar section of track.  After exiting the
>first flip (B&M's name for a corkscrew element) you make a hard turn to the
>right and dive down seemingly inches from the ground (it's more like four or
>five feet, but at around 35Mph, it's close enough:-)

I was just over there whatching them installing the track that comes right
after the corksrew element and it i a hard cureve to the right like you
describe above.
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: A test of a different editor
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:15:41 GMT


Hi everyone.  This is a test of a different editor for my news
reader.  I realized that the old editor wasn't working out too
well so I have made a change.  I like this better and it looks
like it what I use to use but the proof is how it comes out in
the newsgroup.

So as not to make this post a complete waste, I finally got the
Gravity colone commercial.  It only shows two very quick shots
of a silhouette of a wood coaster.  I think it is impossible to
tell which coaster it is, but my quess is Colossus.  I think I
have seen the shot and angle before in one of my tapes.  This is
only a guess.

	Bill "name the coaster in this commercial" Figie
From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags buys another BATMAN -- THE RIDE
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:48:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Benjamin H. Cowan writes...

>  Hold on!  Six Flags over Georgia doesn't have a B--TR, especially one that's
>an inverted looper.  Did I miss something?  Are we scheduled to get one?  If
>so, will it be in operation in '93?  Or are MM, SFoT, *and* SFoG all without
>a Batman?
> 
>Thanx,
>Confused

This is the poop:

1992:

Batman -- the Ride: SFGAm; Gurnee, IL -- B&M Inverted Looper


1993:

Batman -- the Ride: SFGAd; Jackson, NJ -- B&M Inverted Looper
Batman -- the Ride: SFA; Houston, TX -- Intamin stand-up
Batman -- the Ride: SFoG; Atlanta, GA -- Intamin Bobsled ride
Batman -- the Ride: SFoMA; St Louis, MO -- Intamin/Schwarzkopf Shuttle Loop


1994:

Batman -- the Ride: SF??  (only two parks left ... SFoT or SFMM!)
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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Drachen Fire Gif, Part 1 of 9
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:40:01 GMT

In article <sysop.335.724350746@elan.glassboro.edu> sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:
>
>	This is a 1024x768x256 grey-scale scan of the Batwing element of 
>Drachen Fire, in Busch Gardens, VA.  It's also my first attempt at 
>photographing rollercoasters, and my first attempt at scanning - don't 
>despair, it came out pretty good.  Unfortunately, I only had a P&S camera 
>with me, but it's fairly crisp.
>
>	Watch for the RollerCoaster FTP site soon!
>begin 666 ...\graf\drachen2.gif

PLEASE repost this, minus the absolute pathname -- can't do a thing
with it (easily) with that there...

Thanks!
RiViT
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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Head Banger
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:19:42 GMT

In article <71008@cup.portal.com> tobszanski@cup.portal.com (Tom - Obszanski) writes:
>Well folks, I'm finally posting a message that Buck and I discussed whilee 
>recuperating from Arrow's head-banging extravaganza called Drachen Fire at
>Busch Gardens: Williamsburg.  It's a survey of sorts, and a venting of
>frustrations over the continued head trauma that most recent Arrow coasters
>expose us to.

Hell, you want to see "head banger", in my recent trip to Six Flags Magic
Mountain, I <had> to ride The Revolution just once... just for nothing more
than the novelty that an old "classic" was still a good ride.

Well, much to my chagrin, they had brought back the old trains, complete
with SHOULDER HARNESSES!!!  These harnesses are positioned just right so
they slide right right up next to the average person's head -- quite
literally.  (One thing to keep in mind -- this track is pretty old and
thusly pretty narrow.  The coaster wasn't orignially designed for trains
with such restaints -- ie.  The harnesses narely make it around your
head by a quarter or a half of an inch.)
 
Well, I used to think of this ride and the smoothest looper that I had
known of...  after finishing this ride with a <major> headache, I marched
over to guest services to bitch them out for doing such a retarded thing
(taking the role of my part-time EMT position).  Their only reply was 
that it was done "to keep people from standing up on the ride."  Hell, that
ride's been in the park for seventeen years -- and their JUST NOW getting
around to making such a decision!  Ludicrous!
 
I encorage anyone who is interested to go check out this marvel for
yourself, and go bitch up a storm -- don't forget the pillows for the
sides of your head, however!  (Hell, it was so bad I considered being a
total idiot and having them call their emergency services over to do a
C-Spine immobilization on me.  In this condition, the ride is more dangerous
than the heart-wrenching and neck snapping G-forces of The Flashback,
located in the same park).

Russell

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From: scott@svl.cdc.com (Scott Gerken)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: TOP GUN -- The Rides
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:01:46 GMT

buckley@ics.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley) writes:



>The B&M Inverted Looper going in at Great America has a
>unique Figure 8 layout, with helixes at each end.  It looks like a fun
>ride, with many changes in superelevation, but doesn't look as wild as
>the original BATMAN at SFGAm. 

From watching them assemble this one it looks pretty wild.  So far there
isn't any straight track and it looks like it is about 3/4 of the way
installed.  The heart line loop, or what ever it is called, is right
over the enterance to one of the theators.
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Coaster Software Program
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:02:39 GMT


In article <xkf237+@rpi.edu>, xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.173537.10891@sco.com> stevegz@sco.COM (Steve Gzesh) writes:
|> >
|> >I recall reading a while back (I think in "Inside Track") that
|> >Disney was going to be releasing a computer roller-coaster
|> >game/designer/simulator, perhaps not too dissimilar to the program
|> >they have running at EPCOT Center, where you can design a coaster
|> >and then "ride" it.
|> >
|> >This new software is for home use and can run on a PC (or Mac, I
|> >presume), and was supposed be available around November 1992, as
|> >I recall.
|> >
|> >Well, I've looked everywhere for this program and haven't seen it
|> >yet.  Has anyone else heard of or actually seen this program?
|> >Does anyone have any more information than what my failing memory
|> >recalls?  If it's out, I need to make sure Santa knows about it,
|> >too!  And soon!
|> 
|> I've heard of it, and I've spoken to a few ACErs who had seen a demo
|> of the beta version.  As far as I can tell, it isn't shipping yet.
|> Last week, I tried calling some of the major mail-order houses
|> (PC Zone, MicroWarehouse, PC Connection, Tiger), but none of them
|> had it on their product lists.  One of them said they USED to have
|> it on their list, but they don't anymore.  (I'm not sure what that 
|> implies.  Probably Disney is still squashing bugs.)
|> 
|> I should try to get the phone number for Disney Software, and ask
|> them what the story is...
|> -- 
|> Joe Schwartz 

I am only relaying what I have read on this subject from the Prodigy Travel Club BB from what seemed to be a reputable source.  He claimed he did call Disney Software and this is what they told him.  That the main designer was hurt in some sort of accident and this is what is causing the software to be running late.  They expect it to be ready in either late winter or early spring.  I sure do hope so.  I saw the demonstration at Coaster Con XV and it looked pretty good.  It looked like a lot of fun designi




ng your own coasters.  My only complaint is the stupid cartoon "experts" that they had rating the coasters.  They had two rather funny ones.  One was named Tyler (like Tyler Delban) and they also had an old granny (i.e. Marie Miller or Lucy White).  The rest were very stupid.  They also claimed it would only run on a fast 286 but recommended a 386 or higher.  It looked like it was pretty close to being ready back in June.So it looks like Santa is not going to be able to deliver this this year.

	Bill "upgrading to a 486 to be ready" Figie
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From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins)
Subject: Re: Six Flags buys another BATMAN -- THE RIDE
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:51:52 GMT
Keywords: Batman, over-used name

Two questions:

> Batman -- the Ride: SFoG; Atlanta, GA -- Intamin Bobsled ride

	What's a Bobsled? (ok, so color me Ignorant :-)

> Batman -- the Ride: SFoMA; St Louis, MO -- Intamin/Schwarzkopf Shuttle Loop

	Does anybody know which variant of the shuttle loop this is...
	by which I mean one launched by a hoisted weight (ugh), or
	by flywheel (yea!).  Where was its previous home? (Astroworld?)
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:54:17 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Coasters near Paris???
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

bachrach@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Adam Bachrach) writes:
>Can anyone out there in coaster netland give me any suggestions about
>were there might be some good coasters near Paris.  My brother has
>landed a job in Paris France for a year.  I thought he might get some 
>free time to take such a side trip and with your help I might give him
>some good ideas...  
>Any and all suggestions welcomed and appreciated!

Well, I seem to recall rumblings on rec.arts.disney that Big Thunder
Mountain at Euro Disney is the best of the three (others are at
Disneyland and Walt Disney World -- is there one at Disneyland Tokyo?)

The ride is considerably bigger than its cousins, and the ride takes
place on an island, with an underwater tunnel to get you from the
station to the ride and back. It's the only coaster at Euro Disney (no
Matterhorn or Space Mountain).

Disneyland's Big Thunder Mountain is one of my favorite roller coasters.
It ain't big, it ain't bad, but it sure is fun.

And it doesn't have over-the-shoulder restraints!! ;^)

Geoff

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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:57:13 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Drachen Fire Gif, Part 1 of 9
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
| In article <sysop.335.724350746@elan.glassboro.edu> sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:
| >
| >	This is a 1024x768x256 grey-scale scan of the Batwing element of 
| >Drachen Fire, in Busch Gardens, VA.  It's also my first attempt at 
| >photographing rollercoasters, and my first attempt at scanning - don't 
| >despair, it came out pretty good.  Unfortunately, I only had a P&S camera 
| >with me, but it's fairly crisp.
| >
| >	Watch for the RollerCoaster FTP site soon!
| >begin 666 ...\graf\drachen2.gif
| 
| PLEASE repost this, minus the absolute pathname -- can't do a thing
| with it (easily) with that there...
| 
| Thanks!

If the pathname is giving you problems, just save all the parts in a
text file and edit the begin line to read:

begin 666 drachen2.gif

then send that to your friendly neighborhood uudecode program.

In Unix, the only problem is you get a hidden file.  
'mv ...\graf\drachen2.gif drachen2.gif' solves that.

No need to repost the whole thing...

Geoff ``Mr. nerd, at your service'' Allen

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From: buckley@ics.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley - "I coaster, therefore I am")
Subject: KUMBA (was Re: TOP GUN -- The Rides)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:47:35 GMT


In article <71635@cup.portal.com>, Tom Obszanski writes...

>For an illustration of Top Gun (both Great America's and KI's) as well as
>a picture of Kumba's model, check out the most recent issue of ACE News.
>Kumba is the most interesting shot because you can follow the model quite
>nicely and see exactly where the coaster will be taking you.  The
>illustrations of Top Gun are a little harder to follow and don't make the
>rides look as exciting as they probably will be.
> 
>Tom "Really getting excited about next season" Obszanski

...and what's cool about Kumba (and all B&M coasters, for that matter) --
NO MID-COURSE TRIM BRAKES to break up the action!!
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From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Subject: Re: A test of a different editor
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:57:37 GMT


Bill "great new editor" Figie writes...

>Hi everyone.  This is a test of a different editor for my news
>reader.  I realized that the old editor wasn't working out too
>well so I have made a change.  I like this better and it looks
>like it what I use to use but the proof is how it comes out in
>the newsgroup.


Thank god -- the old one was quite the pitts!!  8^)


>So as not to make this post a complete waste, I finally got the
>Gravity colone commercial.  It only shows two very quick shots
>of a silhouette of a wood coaster.  I think it is impossible to
>tell which coaster it is, but my quess is Colossus.  I think I
>have seen the shot and angle before in one of my tapes.  This is
>only a guess.
> 
>	Bill "name the coaster in this commercial" Figie

My guess was it was the Santa Cruz Giant Dipper.  I, also, have seen that
angle before.

???
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From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Bye til Janurary!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 05:03:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Well finals are over, I just finished my take home exam for tomorrow.  So
I'll be leaving for Philadelphia from Cleveland on Thursday.  Maybe when I
visit my grandmother, who lives in Toms River, NJ, I'll take a ride up to
look at the Seaside Jet Star.  Who knows, maybe by some freak of nature
it'll be running when I'm there.  Yeah I doubt it too, but you can always
dream. =)  If anything happens about the Jersey weekend, I'd like to hear
about it when I return in about a month.  And, Buck, I hope you'll give me
a full report on happenings in the coster worls when I get back.  

Later

Mike Cornell
mac18@po.cwru.edu

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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:12:03 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Six Flags buys another BATMAN -- THE RIDE
Summary: There are too many Batman rides!!!
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: Batman, over-used name

buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley) writes concerning the
proliferation of coasters named ``Batman -- the Ride'':

| This is the poop:

Followed by a reminder of the Official Rec.Roller-Coaster Naming Scheme
for Batmen the Rides (ORRCNSBR)...

| 1992:
| 
| Batman -- the Ride: SFGAm; Gurnee, IL -- B&M Inverted Looper

Batman -- the Ride, the Inverted Looper

| 1993:
| 
| Batman -- the Ride: SFGAd; Jackson, NJ -- B&M Inverted Looper

Batman -- the Ride, the Clone

| Batman -- the Ride: SFA; Houston, TX -- Intamin stand-up

Batman -- the Ride, the Stand-up

| Batman -- the Ride: SFoG; Atlanta, GA -- Intamin Bobsled ride

Batman -- the Ride, the Bobsled

| Batman -- the Ride: SFoMA; St Louis, MO -- Intamin/Schwarzkopf Shuttle Loop

Batman -- the Ride, the Shuttle Loop

| 1994:
| 
| Batman -- the Ride: SF??  (only two parks left ... SFoT or SFMM!)

Batman -- the Ride, the Second Clone

(Actually, the last one wasn't in the works when we last discussed this.
Any better suggestions than what I typed?  Maybe I should add a 
``Batman -- the Ride'' section to the FAQ to help everyone keep them 
all straight. ;^) )

Geoff -- the Rider (but not of any Batman rides, yet)

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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Rattler Footage (was Re: Bob Hope 
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:35:29 GMT

(Joe Schwartz) writes:
>FYI, there's a Bob Hope special on NBC this Saturday (12/19), at 8pm.
>Apparently, some of it was shot at Fiesta Texas.  I sincerely doubt that
>we'll see any footage of the Rattler, but you never know.


Well last night on the CBS news, they had a story about defense contractors
who have had to 'beat their swords into plough-shares', and the footage
they should in the "teaser" (before the commerical break), was The
Rattler!!     I was so excited I jumped up and popped a tape in the
machine. But during the broadcast they only showed some sea-side
coaster (might have been the Santa Cruz Dipper, but we didn't 
get a good enough look at it to tell).

I was disappointed.


And Dan Blathers on,
Rendell
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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Coaster Software Program
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.173537.10891@sco.com> stevegz@sco.COM (Steve Gzesh) writes:
>Along other computer-coaster-related lines, does anyone have any
>GIF or JPG pictures of coasters of which I can get a copy.  My
>computer background right now has Bugs Bunny on it, and I would
>much rather see a great wooden (or steel--I'm not that fussy! :-)
>coaster.

One thing I've thought of once again posting, if anyone has much
of an interest, is a rollercoaster animation (FLI).  I've posted
it in the past and had a couple of favorable commentaries.  If I
get enough requests for it, I will post it again... however, I'll
let you find the FLI viewer (I use QUICKFLI.EXE, myself).

Also, please let me know if you find this software you spoke of...
that will be something that I would <have> to check out!

RiViT

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From: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com (Bill Buckley)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Trimbrakes (was Re: KUMBA (was Re: TOP GUN -- The Rides))
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:19:16 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


(Russell Michael VanTassell) writes...

>The Demon at Paramount's Great America (Arrow) has two sets out beyond
>the second tunnel that is used for setup and blocking -- I've noticed
>that they're not always on.
> 
>I would have to pull the operator's manuals in order to tell you for
>sure...

Not that I ride the DEMON every day, but I've rode both DEMONs quite a bit,
and the trim brakes have been on quite liberally ... even with one train
operation.  I'll say it again, personally, I've never rode an Arrow steelie
with a mid-course trim brake and found it completely off.

B.
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From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Six Flags buys another BATMAN -- THE RIDE
Keywords: Batman, over-used name
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:26:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.213834.16905@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:

>Farm, which is flywheel-driven.  I rode the Tidal Wave (weight-driven)
>at Mariott's (yes, Mariott's!) Great America in Santa Clara California
>and remember really enjoying it, but any memories of shuttle loop ride
>details are from Montezooma's Revenge, which I've ridden several times
>and much more recently. 

The Paramount/King's/Santa Clara/Marriot's Great America Tidal Wave
is a cam/flywheel driven shuttle looper... I'm pretty sure.  They're
<continually> back there tweaking on the system back in the employee
roads...
 
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