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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: San Antonio Area Hunting Recommendations
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:28:11 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul28.000555.17132@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
      kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
 
>
>I'm planning on heading down to San Antonio next fall to see my sister,
>and I wanted to do some deer hunting as well.
>
>I'm looking for info/recommendations wrt good places to hunt within a
>relatively short distance of San Antonio.
>
>I am primarily a bowhunter, but I may take my .30-06 along for this
>one.  I'm not a rich guy, and I've heard some stories about how
>hunts in S. Texas can costs several thousand, and I'm afraid that's
>out of the budget, but maybe $1000 wouldn't be.
 
 
Well, South Texas isn't really what I would call close to San Antonio
(although it is closer than I am now).  But then, you really don't need
to go very far from SA to deer hunt, you're already very close to
one of the densest deer populations in the country (and as a result, the
often aren't very big).  $1000 will go a LONG way towards a season deer
lease in that area, but you had better hurry and find one NOW (the
pickings can get kinda slim closer to hunting season.
 
Most of the people that lease their land, register with the local
Chamber of Commerce.  I would suggest getting a map of Texas (one out
of an encyclopedia is good enough), and call the Chamber of Commerce in
the towns around SA (concentrate on those to the northwest of SA, in the
Fredricksburg area).  In most all of the counties in that area, you can
shoot 2 bucks and 2 does, 2 turkeys, and unlimited feral hogs.
Good luck.
 
BTW:  bow only season runs Oct.1 - 31.
      gun season runs from Oct.3 - Jan.3 (?)  (south texas season runs
                                               longer).
 
PS.  Watch out for rattlesnakes.  That'll just ruin your hunting day!
 
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Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 34 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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From: bryanshu@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Bryan Schumacher)
Subject: Carbon arrows...
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:23:57 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I'm sure this discussion has been beat to death before, but since I'm a new
Internet junkie, I will bring it up again.

I have been hunting with a bow for 4 years, and last year went to the carbon
arrows.  There were many reasons, but the main one being the toughness of
the arrow - (i.e. hit a rock, and thank God you just didn't lose $5 in an
arrow.)  I like the speed too, but like I said, these things seem almost
indestructable.  So, what does the rest of the world think about these as
a hunting medium?

Also, I recently got another person interested in bowhunting, and set him
up with the top-of-the-line Golden Eagle bow.  I also told him to get 
carbon arrows.  Well the owner of the sporting goods store wouldn't sell
him carbon arrows because the owner thought they may be too wimpy for the
bow and could possibly shatter upon release.  Am I crazy, or does this
guy sound a little skeptical?  He is shooting at approximately 80lbs.

Thanks for your advice!

Bryan Schumacher


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: Hunting Trip (Joke)
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:53:48 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

kpruett@st6000.sct.edu (Kenneth Pruett) writes:

   Here is a typical day of hunting for some unlucky guy.  
   It was posted on a joke list and I thought I would pass it along.

   P.s.  If too many of these things have happened to you, find another hobby.

<report on typical mild, uneventful hunting trip deleted>

Hey, that sounds a lot like my first deer hunting trip!  Except that
none of the eight deer had antlers...

-Joe
From: breslau@watson.ibm.com (Art Breslau)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:45:15 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

My wife and I do our own butchering. But then I'm a N.Y. State Hunter
Safety and Bow instructor.
From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Ramblings 5?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:25:06 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I think its 5, I lost count.

1. For those that butcher deer ( I count myself and friends even
though my end is few and far between!) there is a book by the late
Norman Strung called "Deer Hunting by Norman Strung". I have seen a
reissue recently advertised perhaps in the Outdoor Life bookclub. If
you can find it the book is an excellent one with a particularly good
section on butchering.

One of the neat suggestions he has which works is taking a well
cleaned skill saw and reversing the blade to cut ribs with. Kind of
works like one of those saws they take casts off with. It grinds its
way through with very few chips,mostly sawdust-like residue. This is
great for making baby-backs for the grille. Sorry I had to stop and
wipe off the drool....... Guess what I think I'll have for din-din?

There is another book put out by L.L.Bean I think, I'll check the
bookrack and post.

2. We have seen a resurgence of Eastern Turkey Vultures back here. I
had not seen one before 3 years ago and didn't even know they existed!
They are big suckers. I also had the privilege of seeing a fully
mature bald eagle with my then 16 yeaar old son four years ago. At a
distance of 50 yards in full flight!! For an easterner this was
awsome!!!  (Found out later this was one of the first pair to mate in
N.H. in about 40 or so years.)

Sorry work calls!
From: clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller)
Subject: hunter training -NC
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:46:43 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hunter training { we don't call it safety for liability reasons} is
mandatory in NC as of last hunting season. there is no charge for the
course which is 10 hours plus time for shooting at the range
{optional}. The topics include survival, the do and don'ts of camo,
the rules on firearms and firearms capacity, firearms handling and
use, firearms types, archery, use of tree stands and more.

There is a test. 100 questions. We get quite few experienced hunters
who take the course with their children.

There will be another in Durham Count NC on Aug 7-8 if anyone reading
this list knows of possible students. I can be reached at
919-660-1543.

Charles.

ps. My recollection is that the NY requirement is the 1950's not the
30's. I took my course there in 1956. It was taught by NRA member
volunteers and they stopped volunteering when about two years into the
courses, they were being sued for not teaching people to be safe
enough by the estates of hunters that were killed or killed/wounded by
others!
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: 270 WIN which manufacturer?
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:27:56 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

saravan@amber.me.fau.edu (N. Saravanan) writes:

   This is a rather boring message for some. So please bear with me.
   Last year I went hunting for the first time and had a wonderful
   experience (thanks to the excellent suggestions and encouragement I
   received from the people in this group). 
   As I was not sure if I would really like hunting, I borrowed 
   a rifle (30-30 lever action, as suggested by quite 
   a few people in this group).

This sounds exactly like my first season -- right down to the borrowed
30-30!

   Now that I know that I would like to go  hunting this season,
   I have decided to purchase a hunting rifle. Based on what I have 
   read in this group, I am inclined towards the .270 caliber
   (eventhough my hunting partners  insist that 30-06 is a better 
   all around rifle).  As I have decided  to get a rifle 
   in this caliber (0.270 WIN, unless someone out there convinces 
   me otherwise), I am faced with the choice of choosing from at least 
   4 different manufacturers (in my price range). 
   I would therefore appreciate any comments 
   from the owners of rifles from these manufacturers (both pros and 
   cons). The models I am considering are:

Also the caliber I got.

   (1) Browning A-bolt 
	   (a) Hunter series
	   (b) Stalker Series: Is the extra cost justified. The only 
		   hunting I have done is in Missouri.
   (2) Ruger 77 Mark II Bolt Action.
   (3) Remington Model 700
	   (a) ADL, BDL.
	   (b) Mountain Rifle: Is this better because it is lighter. I am 
		   not heavily built.
	   (c) AS : Is the composite stock better than classic wood.
   (4) Winchester Model 70 bolt Action Rifle.

I am extremely happy with my Remington BDL.  I got it for a bit under
$400, and got a detachable magazine and a Simmons 3-10x44 scope for
it.  The one I got had no recoil pad (more on that in a minute).

What can I say?  It'll put 5 shots into 1.5" at 100 yds, and I suspect
1/2" of that is my fault.  I don't really know how it'll compare
against the others you mentioned; I looked at the Ruger and the
Winchester before buying mine; mine was selected on the basis of its
monte carlo stock and lack of recoil pad.

   I would also appreciate suggestions on how to choose 
   the right size (stock length) and weight (the rifle) to suit ones 
   build. 

I didn't find this question to be one I could do much about.
Basically, they all seemed to have the same stock length, which was
too short for me.  This was the advantage of the lack of recoil pad:
I got an extra 1/2" with the pad, which made the rifle long enough.

The ``standard'' way to calculate the appropriate stock length is to
hold your hand in more-or-less shooting position; with the trigger
in position, the end of the stock should nestle in the crook of your elbow.

The real way is, if it feels too short or too long, it is.

One last note, I seem to be in a minority about that scope -- it's
great to look through, but if I had it to do over again I'd get
something less bulky.

-Joe.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Subject: Hunter safety,Mass.
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:02:14 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Again I misspoke myself with regards to the mandatory portion. I was
thinking of those under 18. Then I thought to myself "Hey you just
wrote about changes and its been a few years since you worked this
course-look it up,dummy!".

To quote from the abstracts:

Minors 15 to 17 inclusive, must have written permission of parent or
guardian to obtain a hunting or sporting license. Said minor must
produce one of the following:(1) written statement that said minor
shall be accompanied at all times while hunting or target practicing
other than on a duly recognized range by an adult 18 years or
older;(2) evidence of a sporting or hunting license issued to said
minor in a prior year;(3) certificate of competency with firearms as
provided by Division of Law Enforcement. Minors between 12 and 14
inclusive may participate in hunting when accompanied by a duly
licensed adult, provided that a single bag limit shall be observed and
only one weapon possessed by the two. Only one minor per adult is
permitted.

Whew! Gets complicated doesn't it? But I will tell you this, when I
was growing up in Mass. it seemed like all the guys could quote these
laws as if they were poetry! The times do change.

As you can see this is what I ment about taking a course again to
update your knowledge.


Small flame for Mike(tongue in cheek) Funny how you throw stones at
Mass. (I live in the fine state of Mass.[NOT}) then proceed to list
all the FREE informative courses available in this FINE state! Reminds
me of all the complainers who vote with their feet to N.H. then come
back down here to hunt and fish cheaply!!!

(Info: non-resident hunting license N.H.=$70, Mass.=$48.50 plus $5 for
land acquisition fee{$5 dedicated funds})

Sorry I don't care for some of the politicians(congressional) but the
quality of life is to my liking. Hope Tim leaves this in as it really
is tongue in cheek.
From: johnclif@microsoft.com (John Clifford)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: RE: Meat Processing
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:17:48 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've hunted with family friends in Alabama, and these guys carried 
butcher knives, cutting boards, and coolers in the back of their pickup 
trucks while deer hunting.  They controlled quite a bit of land over a 
county (many sections) and ran deer dogs, stationing hunters at stands. 
 When a deer was killed, it would be cleaned, skinned, and quartered 
inside of ten minutes -- about as long as it takes me to do a good job 
on a couple of squirrels.


John Clifford
Developer, Applications
Microsoft Corporation

Disclaimer:  I speak for me, Bill speaks for Microsoft.
From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Calif. special hunts - informal poll
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:26:20 GMT
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


This is an informal poll for hunters in Calif.

Did you, or anyone you know, get tags issued for ANY the
special hunts this year?

I've been told this is a very political process, ie...if you
don't have one of our hard working legislators in your back
pocket - you don't get one of these tags.

I'm considering writing DFG and ask them to explain in
detail just how the selection is made (as soon as I get back
into the country, that is...).

thanks...rich
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: loupy@roo.corp.sgi.com (Tom Loupy)
Subject: Yellow Lab pup for good home
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:45:51 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Yellow Lab (Male/Chester) pure breed with AKC registration, 9 months
old needs a good home with lots of land.  Chester is up to date on all
shots and check-ups.  He is neutered and house broke, but leave both
in and outdoors.  Chester has already pass the first level of
Obiedence school and he comes from a good line of hunting dogs.  At 9
months he is ready for field training.

Please e-mail me or phone 415-390-3901.

Thanks,
Tom Loupy





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From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting,alt.archery
Subject: Re: Carbon arrows...
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul27.102358.5670@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bryanshu@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Bryan Schumacher) writes:
>
>I'm sure this discussion has been beat to death before, but since I'm a new
>Internet junkie, I will bring it up again.
>
>I have been hunting with a bow for 4 years, and last year went to the carbon
>arrows.  There were many reasons, but the main one being the toughness of
>the arrow - (i.e. hit a rock, and thank God you just didn't lose $5 in an
>arrow.)  I like the speed too, but like I said, these things seem almost
>indestructable.  So, what does the rest of the world think about these as
>a hunting medium?
>
>Also, I recently got another person interested in bowhunting, and set him
>up with the top-of-the-line Golden Eagle bow.  I also told him to get
>carbon arrows.  Well the owner of the sporting goods store wouldn't sell
>him carbon arrows because the owner thought they may be too wimpy for the
>bow and could possibly shatter upon release.  Am I crazy, or does this
>guy sound a little skeptical?  He is shooting at approximately 80lbs.
>
>Thanks for your advice!
>
>Bryan Schumacher
>
>


Well, I have heard two major concerns about carbons for hunting besides
the initial price. The question of whether they would shatter out of the
bow isn't one of them, becuase if you buy a properly spined arrow it
will fly fine.

The first real concern I have heard has to do with when they do break,
they shatter, and the splinters are degradable if an animal eats them, but
they are poisonous. The second concern is related to the first in that
if the arrow shatters in the animal the meat is ruined and if it wasn;t
a good shot you have a poisoned wounded animal on your hands which isn't
you see mostly Beaman Hunters for which there are these gripes. I have
heard that many of these problems have been solved in the carbon aluminum
mix arrows, because they are less likely to shatter.

I personally can't afford them, so I don't shoot them.

Dan
q
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Subject: BOWFISHING IN EAST TEXAS
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:53:39 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am looking for someone who bowfishes and would like to shoot the
breeze,please reply. 


                    David Hanson 
                    East Texas




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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Hunting Trip (Joke)
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:46:32 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

You forgot one.......
 
 
>9:04 pm   Try to wipe tail on leaves
 
 
12:01 am   Realize the the leaves were poisen ivy.  Stay awake all night
           scratching tail.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 40 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |


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From: cclark@cco.caltech.edu (Clark C. Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting,alt.archery
Subject: Just getting started in archery
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:04:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I'm getting interested in taking up archery as a hobby. I was
wondering if anyone knew of any books or magazines I should start
reading for information on how to start.

Thanks,
clark

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From: eden@4ccvw70.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: New Mexico Deer Hunt
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:45:52 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


A friend and I have recently received our deer tags for our first hunt
in New Mexico. The hunt code D-009-008 in zone B. We intend to
concentrate our efforts in area 4 possibly around the Chama area. We
were able to get some data on the harvests of the previous years but
no real specifics on the areas. What I would like to ask of anyone who
has had experience in that area is any possible suggestions on the
hunting conditions, weather, and any other helpful hints that you can
give us. The hunt is from Nov. 11-15.

This is my first time to hunt outside of California and use my new
Winchester model 70, 30-06. We are very excited about this hunt and I
look forward to any suggestions anyone on the net has to offer.

Good hunting and good luck to all......and thanks in advance


Jerry "JerDOG" Eden
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Tree Stand recommendation
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:28:22 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I have the hunting itch very bad and am thinking about buying a tree
stand to get a small fix.  What do all you rec.hunters recommend?  I
have three homemade fixed position stands.  However, they are heavy
and somewhat cumbersome.  I think I will just hang them locally for
the season.  

I am considering getting an light (6-8 pound) fixed position stand and
a handful of tree steps.

I sort of want a climber too but don't like climbing by hugging the
tree or not having a place to sit.  So that mandates a seat/hand
climber too.  That might push the price and weight higher than I want
to go.

Any suggestions?

tim
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess)
Subject: Re: Scent-Lok clothing
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:02:31 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



I went to Bowhunters Discount Warehouse in PA on Saturday for their annual
bow fest and Scent-Lok happened to be there.  I picked up a copy of their
brochure and have included the text in its entirety.  I am not convinced
this stuff is worth a penny and my recommendation is described previously 
under this subject.  Paul Ritter replied to my previous posting with his
advice on drying your hunting clothes.  I accidentally left that part out.
Thanks, Paul.


STEP 1:  How To Use SCENT-LOK
     Scent-Lok clothing continiously absorbs all odors even in storage.  
Therefore, prior to your first use, Scent-Lok should be reactivated to its
maximum odor absorbing potential simply by placing it seperately in a clothes
dryer on high heat for a minimum of 15 minutes.

STEP 2:  How to Wear SCENT-LOK
     Scent-Lok is designed to be worn under your preferred camoflage and over
your insulative layers.  To achieve maximum effectiveness, all clothing worn
externally to Scent-Lok for the first time should be deodorized.  This can be
done by simply washing these items in a high concentration (2 boxes) of
dissolved baking soda.
     If desired, Scent-Lok can be worn against the skin or as your outer
layer.  An added benefit to wearing it this way is that carbon is the ultimate
absorbant of ultraviolet rays, allowing you to go totally undetected.
     Scent-Lok will continiously absorb all odors, wet or dry for approximately
10 to 15 wearings before reactivation is necessary.  (Longer in cold weather). 
For maximum effectiveness, the Scent-Lok headcover should also be worn.

STEP 3:  Storage
     Scent-Lok clothing should be stored dry in a plastic bag.  To keep the
clothing you wear externally with Scent-Lok continiously odor-free, deodorize
once and store in the same plastic bag.

STEP 4:  How to Clean SCENT-LOK
     When soiled, Scent-Lok should be washed separately in a very diluted 
solution of mild soap, and then double rinsed.  DO NOT USE BLEACH, SOFTENERS
OR DRYER SHEETS.  Dry on high heat.  (The heat of the dryer reactivates the
carbon completely!)

Jeff
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