HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Veggies! (was Re: bi surfers)
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
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In article <1992Aug24.003256.17372@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> (soc.bi), tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
> 
> (Sara Hopkins (Swamp Thing)) writes:
> 
> [I take up the Isis priestesses with pebbles side of the contraception debate,
>  while nigel@isgtec.com talks about camels; I argue for contraception, he
>  argues contraimplantation]
> 
> Chris Von Hendy then says:
> 
> >>>Um, how would you get the stone back out if you later wanted pregnancy?
> >>>Not to mention how you get it in, in the first place?
> 
> To which I reply with a list of insertable & removable objects |-)
> ending with this..
> >>rubber foot of Iseult's
> >>crutch |-)
> 
> I know nothing at all about camels.* I never suggested putting stones in
> The uteruses of such, nor how to get them out of such areas. And the
> ancient Egyptians, I argued, did not try to stop the implantation of a
> fertilised ovum - in fact, I argued that they seem to have used them like
> the modern diaphragm to block semen. I believe Nigel suggested that the
> stones acted more like IUDs. Perhaps they were a path for contraimplantation
> disease, but I prefer the contraceptive theory. I claim no expertise, though!

I understand your confusion now.  My question of how you get the stone
back referred to Nigel's suggestion.  I am clear on how you would use a
stone as a diaphragm, but I could not see trying to use one as an IUD. 
Although I can say that I would not want to be the one to try and
insert anything into a camel.


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Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lemmings!
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:59:48 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug27.164224.23357@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) wrote...
>>You can get Lemmings for the ST?  <interested look>

I *think* so, I'm sure one of our users who has an ST said she had a copy,
but she's gone to Italy on holiday, so it'll have to wait until she gets
back unless you want me to break into her house...

> All right.  Lemmings fans (of whatever sort) hands in the air.

I'm glad you phrased it that way, Ellen. "Hands up" always seems to beg
the question. Yep, I'm a Lemmings user (blushes, it's a bit like coming
out as an MS-Windows user). Been on the drug for weeks.

> I'm up to Mayhem level, and am taking a break from it.  (After being
> terribly addicted to the first 90 levels)  However, when I start again, 
> I'm going to probably need some helpful hints from the Lemmings masters.

In that case, pass them on. I'm not at Mayhem yet. BTW are there any queer
games for the PC, Mac or whatever? Leisure-Suit Laura, perhaps? Titris?

///Peter, nursing the finger he sliced an ellipse offa the nail of the
          other day, which is preventing several sorts of game...

Xref: sparky soc.bi:11920 alt.polyamory:1172
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:04:09 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) said...
>>[stuff from pamphlet re. "transition" question]
>Maybe it has to do with how much i dislike the "just a transition"
>stereotype, but i would point out here also that some people come
>out as gay or lesbian first, and then realize that they are still
>attracted to motos, and finally settle into a bi identity.

   Hmmm. Yes, several people have pointed this out. It's a very good
point, not least of which since it was primarily a *GL* audience we
were secretly hoping to reach (sure, some visibility amongst the 
mainstream would be nice, but the damage is coming from the GL
community on campus).


>>[pamphlet "AIDS & scapegoating" question]
>This may make some peoples' minds shut off, singling out the straight
>community, when some people are convinced that the focus on AIDS belongs
>in the gay community.

   I don't think we thought of that. Hmmm. I think that interpretation
didn't occur to me at least since there *has* been a lot of heterosexually-
targeted AIDS campaigning here in Australia. Well, OK, not a *lot*, but
my point is it *hasn't* been exclusively restricted to the GL communities.

>How about something like "All people, straight, 
>gay, or bi, need to pay attention to that."?  Or "and the straight 
>community needs to adopt safe-sex practices, as the gay community has"
>(focusing on the fact that the gay community has already made great 
>strides, and now the straight community must catch up)

   Possibly, possibly... 8-> I take your point, though.

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:34:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug27.151455.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
->> ->	And, as for you, Roy, you probably came on while I was on
->> ->vacation from this little terminal of mine.  We college students *are*
->> ->able to go away for awhile, if we want to!  Besides, I had to add some
->> ->entries to my travel diary...some adventures to read on a rainy day
->> ->when I don't have anyone (but I will take offers!). 
->> 
->> Damn ... too bad ... 
->	And why is that?  (Just curious....)

Because I didn't get that greeting! *whine*

Of course, we seem to be making up for it now .... 

->> ->	Come on over, Roy <seductive smile and all>... ;)
->> 
->> <jumps over to the couch, smiling broadly>
->	Yeow! <hops out the way of Roy's body, who lands on the couch
->perfectly.>  Quite a trick, that is!  

*Takes a bow* 

Thank you ... thank you very much ... I've had practice :)

->> Well, do we already have a bedroom?
->	The whole net.room, as well as anywhere else is a bedroom...or
->are you looking for something a little more private?  <Matt walks over
->to his corner of the net.room, pulls back a curtain.>  There--one
->bedroom.  <Puts one finger to corner of his mouth--*very* innocent
->look>  But whatever shall we do in there...?  (I have a guess,
->though....) ;)
->					--Matt

*blush*

*thinks really really hard*

Privacy? Is that like when what you're doing isn't televised?

-- 
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Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!" 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wadlow@anton.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow)
Subject: Re: 101 ways to tackle sexual harassment?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:59:41 GMT

> 
> 			44 Ways to Come Out as Bisexual
> 			-------------------------------
> 
> o Leave a copy of "Bi Any Other Name" on the coffee table in your
> apartment for visitors to notice.
> 
.... and so on (refer to the original post for list)

oh..., one might read soc.bi with 64 pt. font, though it makes
reading it slightly harder.

I tried this but no-one was here to see it :(

john
jwad@milton.u.washington.edu
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Owen Smith writes:]
>Oh yes, I forgot to mention. Bethan and Clive pounced on me and enthused
>dreadfully, but I can't blame them as Kay talked them into it. 

Well, all Kay did was say "have you met Owen?" and we followed his pointed 
finger and rushed over to see you. Not really the "run along and 
cheer Owen up" message that you seem to think it is. In fact Bethan and
I were talking about you before you arrived -- like: "do you know if
Owen is arriving on Friday or Saturday?" and "I wonder if Owen'll be in Lycra?-
"... We enthused because we wanted to -- not because someone else
told us to do so. I for one tend to do the opposite of what I'm asked to
do anyway, so can you Imagine Kay saying someting like, "for heaven's sake
avoid Owen, he's far to tigger-ish and bouncy for the likes of you...", 
no... I thought not.

>My mum wears the sort of stuff Bethan wears all the time. OK so she
>wears the boots while gardening and the lycra at other times, but still she
>wouldn't look twice at Bethan. You'd have to add a serious dyke cut to freak
>her out.

[slightly ruffled at this, I dunno why, but I'm nice so I'll let it pass]
Now now Owen! Bethan does have the cutest shaved patch around the base of
the neck  it accentuates her bob-hair style and is lovely and strokable 
(more so than Colin's beard -- sorry Colin!) it's best after a day or so 
to let it grow in.

[Kay "he of the exceedingly good taste in boyfriends etc" Dekker Writes:]
>But is she half as sexy as Bethan?

:-)
No comment, I'm biased.

+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
|"Don't confuse me with the facts,  I've already  |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| made up my mind" - Local Tory gov't councellor  |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Hi again
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:40:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.143350.7773@visix.com> owen@visix.com (Owen Thomas) writes:
>
>I spent the weekend in Ottawa with Dave Ferguson (who I met

>beautiful city, and the view from Parliament Hill is breathtaking.
Yes, well...thank you, Owen.  (Oh..you probably meant the *buildings*)

>Dave took me to a party Saturday night, and I must say the Ottawa
>crowd knows how to throw 'em.  It was in an apartment, but they
>had this area set up as a dance floor with a strobe light, a smoke
>machine, and various and sundry cool lighting effects.  Okay, okay,
>maybe I'm easily pleased, but I found it very impressive that one
>would go to this effort just for a party in someone's apartment.
>I met a lot of interesting people there and I was rather miffed that
>I was just there for the weekend.  My decision, my fault.  Oh well.
Unfortunately, I can't take credit for having the cool friends...they
were Benoit's friends, I was just there by association.

>I suppose this doesn't sound very impressive, but for someone
>coming out, it was a really positive experience to meet gay and
>bisexual people living their lives and having fun.   Well, I totally
>flubbed trying to make that sound like something meaningful,
>but I hope y'all will get the idea.

Sorry to disappoint you, O, but most of the people there *weren't* GLB.  As
a matter of fact, Ben mentioned to me that just after we walked in together,
and started getting all playful, a group of jock types lef.  Whether you
realized it or not, you made a POLITICAL STATEMENT!! (In a subtle kind of
way, but still...).  Speaking of cool people, Rachel *did* call eventually,
and returns your regards.

Later, rebel

Daemon

-- 
+ D.C.X. Ferguson, "Daemon"          Industry, Science & Technology Canada   +
+ grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca          Policy Sector                           +
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From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:03:56 GMT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:


>This is getting all the more interesting.  Have to think about what
>to tie him to.  Furniture is kinda scarce around the house at this
>moment.  We could just tie him to the deck itself....

>Then there's that sale at Good Vibrations...

And just what is it you are planning to buy in the sale?  <innocent smile>

And when are you going to buy that sling you keep talking about?

Iseult - expecting more fun and frolics on Ellens deck!!!!!!
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:32:14 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug27.043140.11511@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:

>He means me.  I asked him if he was a closet Yank.  (He also
>said "Mom" in the same paragraph.)  I didn't think anyone would
>have had much of a problem understanding "senior school" or
>"secondary school" (or "Mum" or "Mam").

Excuse me, but the school I went to is called "Shelley High School". This
leads me to believe that it might actually be a High School :-). I have
never even heard the term Senior School before. Seconday School I
understand, as in 5->11 is Primary School and 11->16 is Secondary School.
However, I did 5->10 is Primary School, 10->13 is Middle School and 13->18
is High School.

The moral of this is that there is a wide variety of nomenclature in the UK
school system, so be careful. I had trouble at Norwich for a while working
out why a 17 year old would be at a College of Further Education, since I
think of "further" as meaning degrees and such like. I took me a while to
twig she's doing 'A' levels. 

>My policy is the opposite of Peter's (and Ciaran's, with whom I
>have also had this discussion recently): I favour the phrases
>and speech patterns (and spellings) that I learnt as a child
>over the Americanisms that I hear around me all the time and
>which constitute the bulk of Usenet postings.  I think it's
>more interesting if people are talking and writing in
>different, mutually intelligible dialects.

But Broad Yorkshire (tm) is so difficult to spell!

Owen - a northerner through and through; just wait while I start using
all my quaint expressions on you.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:10:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug31.162741.23475@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
+And if you think this life's too tough, there isn't any guarantee that the
+next will be better. I recall Philip Jose Farmer putting Captain Sir Richard
+Francis Burton on the Suicide Express. Life after life after life, in an

Did that include the 'spouse burns notes' option as well? So that's
why he had to come back over and over, he never could get his notes
published.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf)
Subject: Re: Enjoy t' Bi Conf, folx...
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:16:15 GMT

In article <2n2pb6f7@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
[you == Owen]
>Who else?  Ah.  Jus and I in one corner, Malc and Judes in the next,
>two quite cute guys I never got round to talking with (and I think
>they had their mouths full), two of your esteemed colleagues in the
>third corner, and you over by the door.  Oh yes, and John, the sweet
>guy with the long hair who I think was accompanying that woman you
>had your eyes on - <blush> I've forgotten her name.  And perhaps
>Jonathan (tall, blond curly hair, innocent/wicked blue eyes, cutoffs
>and egregious contents thereof) - though he may only have wandered
>through for a shower.

Sounds like the red room, saturday night. How do I tell? Well, when
I got there to collect my sleeping bag (I ended up sleeping in the
room of S... but what happened there is too embarrassing to tell)
I already noticed two persons apparently busy with each other. That was
right after the disco ended - now if you remember the time you're
referring to, we might reconstruct how long they've been busy :-).

>				Kay
-Olaf.
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  janhen@sci.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lemmings!
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:00:23 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug27.164224.23357@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>All right.  Lemmings fans (of whatever sort) hands in the air.
>I'm up to Mayhem level, and am taking a break from it.  (After being
>terribly addicted to the first 90 levels)  However, when I start again, 
>I'm going to probably need some helpful hints from the Lemmings masters.

I almost never ever play computer games, so the fact that I did all five
screens of the free demo version of Lemmings for the Acorn Archimedes shows
what an absolutely brilliant game it is. Now if Populous II comes out for
the Archimedes, then I might start playing games. It was rather sluggish on
a friend's Atari ST but looked great. It should be awesome on the Archimedes
without the sluggish response.

Owen (Archimedes, plug plug :-)
From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:23:42 GMT
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <18250@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <la4siqINN8ff@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
>fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky) writes:
>
>>Emily  
>
>Hey, didn't I see you on rec.arts.bodyart at one point? I remember
>someone commenting on your "fishnets@soulsteppin" email address.

	Yeah, that was me.... I`m just weak for anything in
	fishnets... (Fishnet stockings I mean... Though I 
	suppose a fishnet would have interesting bondage
	possibilities!


		-Karl, rec.arts.bodyart resident dickhead, but
			really not such a bad guy once you get to
			know me....



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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:11:44 GMT

(Steven M. Stadnicki) writes:

Heavens! Shaterri, hi! 

>Well, I actually made it all the way to the end of soc.bi, so I suppose a post
>is in order...

<grin> Lots of old friends here...  

>     At any rate, I have a much more somber/relevant/important thing to talk
>about right now.  Specifically, coming out to my parents...
>     I actually told my parents that I was bi, rather than that I was gay; in
>retrospect, this may have been a mistake, because one of the things they kept
>asking me was, "Well, if you're in a long-term relationship with another male
>(I am), why do you say that you're bi?  

Because Shaterri's bi? Go on, try explaining virtual sex to your parents!

>I just wish the final results weee a bit better; they basically said that,
>while they still love me, they definitely don't understand and right now don't
>accept, and they're not sure if they want to.  Still, though, it's a lot better
>for me than it was for a lot of people I know.

But not the best, alas. My mother is fine about my being bi- , though she does
try to protect my spawning sister from undue shock and possible contamination
of offspring. Okay, to be fair, she told me not to wear my OUT badge & talk
incessantly about Edin<mumble> in front of Ruth and her toddler and her bump.

>     Anyway, that's my story, for right now at least; hopefully I'll make it
>back here to say 'hi' more often from here on out...

Yay!

ChaosBear
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:38:58 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Aug24.135150.13653@nwnexus.WA.COM> (soc.bi), elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.103712.15719@nwnexus.WA.COM>
>      992Aug20.083522.12898@nwnex writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Aug20.092642.14147@nwnexus.WA.COM>
> >     elf@halcyon.com (Omaha Sternberg) writes:
> >
> >>In article <1992Aug20.083522.12898@nwnexus.WA.COM>
> >>     elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

Somewhere along the way I think I lost track of which statements are
attributable to whom.
> >
> >   If it isn't truly dead, I'll go take care of it now myself!
> >Platform soles, polyster suits, mood rings, the Bee Gees and The
> >Village (of the Damned) People, Alex Comfort, Stayin' Alive... Do you
> >really think _any_ of that decade is worth going back to?
> 
>    Hey!!! I LIKE the Village People!!! And I do think that that decade is
> worth going back to. Why? Because it's the decade I grew up in.

As did I.  I also like the Bee Gees, and mood rings were fun.  Granted
I would not want to go back and re-live the 70's, but the reason for
that is certainly not the fault of the decade, just that a lot of my
mental problems (phobias and such) stem from things that happened to me
during that time.
> 
> >   Yeah, tell me about it.  Folks, meet my wife.  Soc.bi, this is
> >Omaha, Omaha, this soc.bi.  Treat them nicely, don't bite.  Except Kay,
> >he likes that sort of thing.
> 
>    Don't Bite?!! Awwww, you take the fun out of everything!

Some others of us also like being bitten, especially if we are allowed
to bite back. ;-)
> 
>                         Omaha and I get along and have gotten along
> >for seven years despite our difference because we _want_ this
> >relationship to succeed.
> 
> >         Elf !!!
> 
>    And believe me, THAT is the only reason we have made this relationship
> work...we fell in love, but that doesn't mean we could stay in love.
> Relationships of any kind take a lot of work, and I salute Piglet for trying
> to gain information to make his work.

Amen to that.  
> 
>                                  Omaha
> 

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Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:35:17 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) wrote...
>Yes, I've gone from pale white to pale cream.  Not too much of me is
>bright pink any more ...

Does this imply that you're less vanilla than you started out?

Ellen