HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: adrianho@barkley.berkeley.edu (Adrian J Ho)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: alt.ethnic-war
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:30:46
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
	<1992Aug19.133040.16056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: barkley.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com's message of 19 Aug 92 13:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.133040.16056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>Maybe if we rephrased this a bit it would be easier to understand. 

Your explanation doesn't sound like it parallels Jurgen's.  I think
he's saying (and I fully agree) that the a.e-w overflow offends simply
coz it has no relevance to this group.  Newsadmins aren't in the
business of playing the heavy or wiping the noses of offended
Usenetters; they're in the business of bringing newsfeeds up and
trying to ensure they stay that way, period.

If you've something to say, say it to the groups that can best
appreciate the insights you have to offer.  If you're pissed about
something somebody said in net.land, talk with the offender or (worst
case) complain to his sysadmin, but for <FavoriteDeity>'s sake DEAL
WITH IT YOURSELF instead of bitching about it to 10,000 or more people
who have neither the authority nor the desire to do anything about it.

In ideological terms, your right to freedom of speech ends at my right
to not be forced to listen, or to pay for the unprivilege of being
forced to listen.  People who refuse to understand this quickly find
themselves staring down the barrels of a thousand flamethrowers...
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Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.ethnic-war.greeks-turks
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Aug12.023910.14531@ni.umd.edu> <Bsvw62.Byq@mtholyoke.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:16:34 GMT

I can understand crossposting to soc.culture.turkish and soc.culture.greek.
However the heated and largely emotional debate that rages on has little, or
more likely nothing to do with history, politics, or europe. Moreover it
appears to me that the issue should have been taken to email long ago.

Of course, I guess the possibility exists that Mutlu is being paid by some
terrorist group to propagate their, and his, propaganda via this medium.

smittie
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Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: alt.ethnic-war
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:28:34 GMT

In article <265.2634.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) writes:
>  In any case my cross-posting to NEWS.SYSADMIN was ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
>  This is a matter that SYSADMIN readers should look into.

No, it was not.  Sysadmins don't give a sh*t about your private wars or
Mutlu's alleged forgeries.  We may care about forgeries when they affect
the operation of the Net itself, such as forged control messages, etc.,
but if we were to "look into" every idiot's forged flamage we'd all be at
it 24 hours a day.  That's NewsNet... live with it.

>  When have I ever posted to NEWS.SYSADMIN before?

I dunno... don't do it again.  ;-)
--
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Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
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From: ppoh@amethyst.tcs.tufts.edu (Paul B. Poh)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Sys file help
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:44:25 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


I really hope that someone can help me. I read in some c-news docs on the
net that it was possible to create an entry for a news feed where
articles from another site were not feed to it. I assumed that the following
sys entry would work (It did not):

somesite,!anothersite:all/all:F:spool/somesite/togo

What I trying to do is the prevent news feed to me from site "anothersite"
to propagate to site "somesite" because they unable to handle the traffic.
However, I want article generated from my site and other sites to propagate
to site "somesite". Does this make sense :=)

Any help and sugestions would be appreciated.

--
Paul Poh                        Unix Systems Programmer
ppoh@amethyst.tcs.tufts.edu     Computer Services, Tufts University
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains
From: cudep@warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Registering a New Site
Followup-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains
Keywords: maps uucp Internet
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:45:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.230206.18099@cosy.sbg.ac.at> lendl@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Otmar Lendl) writes:
>Another idea is to utilize the Domain-name-system of the Internet.
>IMHO it's a pity that there is no LOCATION Resource-Record 
>defined in the DNS (yet), it would be really nice doing a 
>traceroute and see the hops light up on a global map.
>Meanwhile one could use the TXT RR. Here is the description from
>RFC 1035:
>>3.3.14. TXT RDATA format
>>
>>     +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
>>     /                   TXT-DATA                    /
>>     +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
>> 
>> where:
>> 
>> TXT-DATA        One or more <character-string>s.
>> 
>> TXT RRs are used to hold descriptive text.  The semantics of the text
>> depends on the domain where it is found.
>> 
>This looks like a perfectly legal and simple way to make the 
>location information available for all Usenet sites with a FQDN.
>In my case I'd add the following line to my named files:
>cosy.sbg.ac.at.   IN   TXT   "47 49 N / 013 05 E city"

I really like this idea.
I'd obviously prefer a new LOC RR with specific format, but a TXT RR
could be used.  It'd probably be worth using a prefix before the lat/long
to make it easier to filter out other TXT records.

You wouldn't even need to have a TXT RR for every machine.  Once the reverse
lookup has been performed, the location can be looked for at the FQDN
specified by the PTR.  And then you can drop domain parts until you found
something relevant.  For instance, I could put a location for my site
in a TXT RR for warwick.ac.uk.  Any individual machine queried would
not have a location.  The resolver can fall through until it finds the
one for warwick.ac.uk.

Other problems would be how to cope with domains without location information,
and how to portray this on a map display.

Followups to comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains

Cheers,
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/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/                 the
@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson     show
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: bsweet@crash.cts.com (Bill Sweetman)
Subject: news feeding problem ...
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:48:38 PDT


=-=-=
all -

i'm kind of new to sysadmin/news stuff so please help if you
can.  my site is suppose to feed news to someone but isn't,
i'm only feeding email.  i use to feed news just fine until a
system crash ... i guess my news feeder isn't up and running
properly ( i have news but not my child sites).  how do i
fix this problem?

thanks for any help

-bill sweetman
   sweetman@sea.com | bsweet@crash.com

=-=-=
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: alt.ethnic-war
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:39:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <1992Aug19.133040.16056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
   c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) doodled:

> But then, I'm just a lowly user, not a news admin. What do I know?
> Thanks for listening.
> Spiros

How to put an argument clearly and concisely without getting bogged down
in rhetoric and wandering off on non-relevant sidelines, and without
flaming/insulting anyone ! :-)

Quite an achievement I say, and thanks for one of the most lucid posts
on the subject for a while.  I agree with you and say that Usenet has no
real place for people to go posting political diatribes.  Political
discussions yes, monologues no. 

Thanks again,
- Chris
-- 
 Christopher Samuel, c/o Computer Unit, UCW Aberystwyth, Aberystwyth, WALES
  RFC: ccs@aber.ac.uk   UUCP: *!mcsun!uknet!aber!ccs   JNT: ccs@uk.ac.aber
   "Oh yes,   practice safe posting.   Wear a smiley.  :-)" - Adrian Hurt
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Sys file help
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:30:01 GMT

In article <PPOH.92Aug19123919@amethyst.tcs.tufts.edu> Paul B. Poh writes:

-->  ... I read in some c-news docs ...  it was possible to create an entry
-->  for a news feed where articles from another site were not feed to it.
-->  I assumed that the following sys entry would work (It did not):
-->  
-->  somesite,!anothersite:all/all:F:spool/somesite/togo

  Almost.  Try...

	somesite/anothersite:all/all:F:spool/somesite/togo

  The format for the first part is:

	site/notsite1,notsite2,nositeandsoon:...

-- 
John Kennedy/KC6RCK/warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu  "IBM, You BM, We All BM for IBM!"
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: dcc@world.std.com (Lt.MinderBinder)
Subject: nntpd refuses connect <help.>
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:40:44 GMT

Hi,
It's stupid question time...
I've compiled the latest cnews and nntp1.5 sources on
a sun3, and it all went pretty smooth. (sunOS4.1.1)
I've done this before, but this time the nntpd is
doing something weird.  If I telnet into port 119
the connection is immeadiately shut, and the console
error lists:  inetd: getpwnam: nntpd: No such User

I def'd POSTER to be "usenet" and that user exists in
passwd file.  Let's see, what else would be useful info...
- compiled with dbz, both cnews and nntpd
- not running NIS, but running DNS (as client)

Any help would be Most Appreciated... Thanks in advance...

-- 
"Wintermute, Case. It's time we talk."  It was a chip voice.
"Don't you want to talk, Case?"  He hung up.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: alt.ethnic-war
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:30:40 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <Bt8AJM.LpD@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>No, it was not.  Sysadmins don't give a sh*t about your private wars or
>Mutlu's alleged forgeries.  We may care about forgeries when they affect
>the operation of the Net itself, such as forged control messages, etc.,
>but if we were to "look into" every idiot's forged flamage we'd all be at
>it 24 hours a day.  That's NewsNet... live with it.

Maybe if we rephrased this a bit it would be easier to understand. 

Until now, the net has resisted pressure from for-profit or for-cause
groups or organizations. The net offers a unique opportunity to reach
an audience of literally millions of people around the world, for
free, or at best, the cost of a good dinner at Pizza Hut once a month,
per month.

The net did not tolerate posts from Headhunters (the blatant, blanket
kind of the late 80's). Would the net tolerate posts from any '*-ism'
organization, i.e. pro-lifers, pro-choicers, pro-gun, anti-gun, not
simply DISCUSSING issues, but flooding every conceivable newsgroup
with their views and ridiculing everyone else?

The bottom line is whether the Net is seen as a vehicle for exchanging
information, ideas, or opinions, or whether it is seen as a vehicle to
further one's causes (pro-lifers, pro-choicers, pro-gun, anti-gun,
pro-Mutlu, anti-Mutlu). Sure, there are appropriate groups for
discussing all of the above, but if you saw someone post 600 KB a week
in 10 different news groups (mostly unrelated) for a year your
attitude (not YOURS, but everyone's) might be different.

What we are dealing here is not simply exchanging information, ideas,
or opinions; I bet if any of the political parties put a machine on
the net (they actually DO have them on the net) and flood it Mutlu
style with 600 KB a week of 'VOTE FOR ME' and 'EVERYONE WHO WILL NOT
FOR ME IS A *' type messages the net would be screaming at them full
force. If a computer company put one of its machines on the net and
flooded the net with 600KB worth of messages a weel like 'OUR
COMPUTERS ARE THE BEST' and 'EVERYONE ELSE'S ARE LOSERS', I bet we
wouldn't be sitting there scratching our collective heads.

But then, I'm just a lowly user, not a news admin. What do I know?

Thanks for listening.

Spiros



-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Xref: sparky news.sysadmin:1229 ne.news:33 ne.general:2343
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,ne.news,ne.general
Subject: Looking for a relay
Keywords: mailing list relay needed
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:20:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ne
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH

I am looking for a site (preferably in the New England area) that runs
a relay for the Homebrew Digest Mailing List.

Wang used to run such a relay but, with their recent demise and
departure from the net, they are no longer doing so.

If you run such a relay or have an interest in seeing one set up,
please contact me via e-mail.

I do not desire to run an HBD relay myself since forwarding mail to a
bunch of sites will get very costly for me.

Thanks.

-- 
Kevin
Xref: sparky news.sysadmin:1211 soc.culture.turkish:8965 soc.culture.greek:7616
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: alt.platform-war (Was: Re: RFD: alt.ethnic-war
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Quoting dawson@willard.UUCP
>Boards???  Ah, that's what happens when you let the unwashed masses
>into the Usenet.  Perhaps the problem really lies with allowing
>PCBoards to gate Usenet onto their local platforms, where too many
>novices are allowed to post to NEWSGROUPS without having first read the
>guidelines.

 Duh... Thanks you for the analysis doctor. By the way, I've been on
USENET since 1988, first through bitnet, then through internet, and now
through BCpboard. Thats (let me count now) duhh.. 88, 89... no, let's
start again 89, 90 no... duh......

  BTW, what do all the :-) 's mean I see on this wonderfull system of
yours.. Duhh.. "Colon dash the paren"? Gee it is so complicated...

  By the way, congratulations to the guys at Internet who have to sort
through all the messages and send them to the right mailbox... must be a
hell of a job.... When do I get the bill for all the postage?

Michael.
                                                                                                                 
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker)
Subject: Re: Sys file help
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.183001.2577@ecst.csuchico.edu> warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy) writes:
|In article <PPOH.92Aug19123919@amethyst.tcs.tufts.edu> Paul B. Poh writes:
|
|-->  ... I read in some c-news docs ...  it was possible to create an entry
|-->  for a news feed where articles from another site were not feed to it.
|-->  I assumed that the following sys entry would work (It did not):
|-->  
|-->  somesite,!anothersite:all/all:F:spool/somesite/togo
|
|  Almost.  Try...
|
|	somesite/anothersite:all/all:F:spool/somesite/togo

	Almost.  Try...

	
	somesite/anothersite:all,!to,to.somesite/all:f:spool/somesite/togo


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker			Toronto, Ontario
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org	Uucp: ...!web!becker!bdb
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 _< /_	 	- More Jimison, ordering drinks for his table
Newsgroups: news.config
From: brister@decwrl.dec.com (James Brister)
Subject: Leaking newgroups from decwrl....
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:36:16

All my fault. Sorry. Won't happen again. 'scuse me while I go flagellate
myself.

James
--
James Brister                                           brister@wsl.pa.dec.com
DEC Western Software Lab., Palo Alto, CA                        decwrl!brister
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jdb@arp.anu.edu.au (John D. Barlow)
Subject: unsolicited junk email - what do I do ?
Organization: Parallel Computing Research Facility, ANU.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:25:29 GMT

Really this is a network-newuser question, rather than a usenet
newuser question:

I received some unsolicited junk email from a reseller of Sun equipment.
What do I do to stop such "commercial" use of the net ?  Junk snail
mail is bad enough, please - not junk email !

Is there a news-group for commercially-oriented postings that I
could suggest this guy uses ?

Is there a legal problem with him using the network in this way ?

email to me and I will summarise (I'm not totally new to usenet :-)

-- 
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University, I-Block, PO Box 4, Canberra, 2601, Australia.
email = John.Barlow@anu.edu.au
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: private reply.
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:20 GMT

fpaterek@uceng.UC.EDU (Franz Paterek) publicly declared:
>If I see a message on the net I want to reply to but I feel that a private 
>reply is the best solution, how can I without leaving trn (the program I am
>using) reply to the message privately.  As editor I am using Gnome.

First, at the end of the article, you type "h".  This gives you a help
screen.  You *DID* check the help screen first, didn't you?

When you read the help screen, you'll see an entry like:

      r,R     Reply through net mail (R = include this article).

This is the one you want.  It works just like f and F for followup,
only it sends the reply in email rather than posting it to the
newsgroup at large.

Those wacky programmers and their help screens!  Who woulda thunk it?

Scorecard:  -10 points, failing to Read The Fine Manual
            +15 points, including the name of your newsreader and
                        editor in your question
            ---
            + 5 total

-- 
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I think I am!  I think I am!                           |      Steven King
                                                       |   Motorola Cellular
               (The Little Engine That Philosophized)  |   king@rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Single Source For FAQ Lists?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:00:46 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

Is there a single place where all FAQ lists are stored, or is there at
least a master list that tells the FTP sites for each FAQ list?

Thanks,
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com

Xref: sparky news.newusers.questions:3607 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:579 comp.unix.questions:10044
From: dlparker@dlpinc00.rn.com (David L. Parker)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: domain name servers and resolvers questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:01:26 GMT
Organization: Automated Data Management Services

In article <1992Aug12.155252.26870@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>
>I would also also recommend waiting until some time at the end of
>this year when O'Reilly releases its DNS book.  I'm reviewing it now
>and it looks very good (at least, so far).
>
Are you referring to TCP/IP Network Administration??  It has an August 1992 
date, and I just got it last week.  It has one chapter plus several other 
references to DNS.  An entire book (especially an O'Reilly) would probably be 
pretty thorough :-).
-- 
Dave Parker
Automated Data Management Services, Pleasant Hill, MO 64080-1331
(816) 987-5167/5218 voice/fax
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Including a file in a posting
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.140548.19701@crc.ac.uk> naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:

>I am using Postnews (I think:-) and Emacs as the editor.
>
>I need DETAILED STEP BY STEP instructions as I am not very good with this sort
>of thing!

How about READING THE DETAILED NEWSREADER MANUAL and READING THE
DETAILED EMACS MANUAL?

Rn and trn prompt you for the name of the file to include when you
post.  Presumably you are not using either of these, or you would have
figured out what to do.  The way to include a file in the current
buffer in Emacs is with the secret key sequence "C-x i".

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
From: epoole@leotech.mv.com (Eric Poole)
Sender: uucp@leotech.mv.com
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Test Message
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:04:00

->> I hope that you realize that the successful posting
->> of a test message to your own computer means little.

'Course if you post them here you get all the flames back to
let you know you made it out ... <sigh>


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