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From: p0j2684@tamuts.tamu.edu (Pradeep Jana)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: KARNATAKA-AGGIE LISTING
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:36:57 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: world
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Dear fellow-Kannadigas,

We at Texas A&M University recently went through a gruelling but satisfactory
enterprise of collecting the names and details of all Kannada speakers and/or
those from Karnataka. I was endowed with the voluntary responsibility of 
collecting, processing and communicating the relevant data. We are 79 of us
who conform to the above specifications. It has been a proud and illuminating
experience, and perhaps a great help to paople who may feel culture shock.
We feel it will also be helpful for, say, conducting cricket matches or help
find roommates. We may even expand further later (what with the large strength)
to moderate cultural programmes.

Is this, by any chance, a unique effort?  While we would be pleased with
ourselves if it was, we feel a US-wide network of Kannadiga students may be a 
strong contingent to interact and put our heads together to do something 
culturally constructive.

Pradeep Jana. 



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Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Upstate Beers (was Re: Troy)
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.010816.1066@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug) writes:
|> And how long have you been drinking Genny Cream Ale? Let me guess, 
|> about 6 years. :)  
 
 I wouldn't touch Genny Cream Ale if my life depended on it. If you want a 
decent upstate brew, try Newman's Albany Amber or Saratoga Lager, or anything
from the F.X. Matt brewery in Utica. There's also Hudson Lager, a local 
micro-brew, which is only available on draught at some of the more enlightened
pubs in the upper Hudson valley area.
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From: dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Applicon; Ann Arbor, MI (USA)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:33:41 GMT

In <1992Dec23.010040.29307@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>WHY NOT A GROUP LIMITED TO NEW YORK STATE, FOR INSTANCE NY.UPSTATE?
>>
>>There are many displaced people from Upstate New York (UNY), particularly  
>>regions that were hard hit during the early 1980s recession.
>[...]
>Yeah, right ... "Oh Mister maintainer-of-the-newssite on this computer in NEW  
>MEXICO, can you carry the ny.* groups too?"   

Personally, I think something like alt.culture.ny-upstate isn't too
bad of idea; USENET is lacking any type of structure for dealing with
items that are "local" but may be of interest to people that aren't
local (the current example being "alt.culture.ny-upstate").

I would like to see this generalized to something like
   alt.culture.ny
   alt.culture.ny.upstate
   alt.culture.mi
   alt.culture.ca
   alt.culture.ca.ba
or, keeping in mind that USENET is international
   alt.culture.usa.ny
   alt.culture.usa.ny.upstate
   alt.culture.usa.mi
Organizing newsgroups like this would allow sites to more easily get
rid of undesired traffic.  For example, european sites could just put
an "!alt.culture.usa" entry in their sys file, and sites in Michigan
could add "!alt.culture.usa.ca" if they didn't want California stuff.

I proposed something similar a few months ago for "alt.colleges" and
got a bunch of flames too.  The basic problem is that there is no easy
way for someone outside of a a local area to get the newsgroups for
that region; asking for a feed just isn't practical, leads to leaks
(it seems no one has their sys file configured correctly), and
destroys the meaning of "regional" newsgroups.  An alt.culture group
for each state would probably take care of a lot of these problems
(maybe even including my "alt.colleges") leaving the regional
newsgroups for things that are really regional.

   Dan

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From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:35:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <1992Dec23.010836.8830@netcom.com> tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:
>What's the place name in Upstate NY which is hardest to pronounce?  Well,
>not to pronounce, but to figure out the proper upstate pronunciation from
>the spelling?  There seem to be a lot of them.  You can start with
>Conesus and Honeoye, but there's tons more!


Different pronounciations:

Chili.
Riga.
Charlotte.

Just tough to get your tongue around:

Canajoharie.
Skaneatles.
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From: ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian J Gardner)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Weather
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:26:46 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well, it seems nice to be able to write and read messages and have
people know where I am talking about.

Just FYI - I am from a (very) small town called DeKalb Junction, which
is located between Canton and Gouverneur (on Rt 11), about 1/2 hour from
the Canadian border.

On the distinction between areas of NY, you have:

NYC/LI:  Really just one and the same place.
Upstate: Anywhere outside of NYC/LI.
Western NY:  I guess it's pretty much from Rochester to the west.
Southern Tier:  That "South" region - bordering on PA, etc.
                Repoted to have great hunting.
Northern NY:    Areas bordering Syracuse and up.
North Country:  Anywhere from Watertown and up (but mostly St Lawrence Cty).
Snow Belt:      That region that gets socked with snow each winter.  The
                only way to travel thru this region incidentally is along
                I-81.  (Joke for those of you unfamiliar w/ the area).
I-81:           Always closed whenever any snow lands.
Hell:           Whenever I-81 is closed.

As for weather - that has got to be one of the most screwed up thing of
the region.  I hear there was a nice ice-storm today...  (one of the
other pleasant attractions).  Anyone remember the ice-storm 2 springs
ago?

Anyhow, that's all...  Hope to hear more from ya...

Ian
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Subject: Re: Best wings in the Capdist
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:59:06 GMT

goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold) writes:

>The best wings in the capdist that I've found (meaty, spicy, tasty) are
>at the Ale House on River St, north of Hoosick, in Troy. They've been
>voted the best by the local happenings paper and one or two of the local
>radio stations.
>--
>Mitchell Gold, sundance@rpi.edu
>(Vote yes on alt.fan.jim-kasprzak)

The Ale House still exists?  There is a God!!!!!  I useta hang out there in
my 'Tute years ('69- '75).  Cheap beer, decent sandwiches, lots of atmos-
phere.  Of course, atmosphere was different then.

Bruce (looking forward to his 20th reunion so that his classmates can
see he finally cut his hair and quit broadcasting to earn some real money.
-- 
Bruce S. Tannenbaum (RADAR) <bst@wang.com>
VoiceCom Systems Inc., San Francisco, CA and Tewksbury, MA.
"I have a cunning plan!"
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: gilmac@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Charles Robert Gilman)
Subject: Re: "Classical" names
Reply-To: gilmac@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: USA 
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:25:13 GMT

>Ever notice how many Upstate NY locations have names from Classical
>antiquity, both persons and places; for example:

>Troy
>Homer
>Syracuse
etc...

The reason that so many upstate locals have names from antiquity according
to my High School Latin Teacher (Mrs. Coleman) was that at the end of the
Revolutionary War some of the war veterans were paid in land. Some of this
land was in Upstate New York and in order for the US Government to assure
that each vereran was paid a fair amount of land the land had to be surveyed.
The man who surveyed the land was a Latin scholar - according to my Latin
teacher. So he used the names he had learned from his Latin.

I don't know how true the Latin Scholar part is but the part about portions
of Upstate land being used to pay Revolutionary War Veterans is so that is where
you can look to find out how much of this is true.


Charles Gilman
(East Syracuse -> Boston -> Fairborn, OH -> Troy, NY)
From: cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:51:45 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Distribution:USA
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Keywords: 
Al Selvin is definitely right that one can appreciate both NYC and
Upstate.  If you do not believe it, I suggest you move to Charleston, IL
as I have done.  Incidentally, I have just returned from a week in
Rochester.  Isn't it pleasant to travel through the Greater Rochester
International Airport (despite the pretentious name) these days?  One
more question: does anybody else crave cheeseburgers from Schaller's?
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: strzelin@sscdaq.phy.bnl.gov (Bob Strzelinski)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-bashing...)
Organization: Physics Dept., Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:12:13 GMT

Al Selvin (selvin@nynexst.com) wrote:

|> NYC has severe problems, no doubt about it. It also has more to offer than
|> any city on the planet. I don't usually flame, but in my experience, people
|> who bash NYC have either never been there or are ignorant, racist, or have a psychological problem of some sort.
|> 
|> Can we give this tedious vitriol a rest?
|> 

Speaking of tedious "Get outtamyway or I'll give ya the finger I'm a real New Yorker" vitriol...

But seriously, I think the real reason that NYC is resented by a good portion of the rest of the state is because it is such a drain on resources to the rest of the state.  By resources I mean 3 things: taxes, taxes, and taxes.  What this has done to the economic condition of many other areas of the state is really sad to see.  Would I be living on Long Island if there were high-tech jobs upstate?  No way!!!  Of course there are GE, Kodak, IBM, Xerox presences in many upstate locales but these giants (dino


saurs?) are struggling.  So why is upstate NY so inhospitable to new high-tech startups (why even Ithaca Software moved to SF!)?  As I said before, 3 things...  Thus breeds resentment among intelligent people who care about upstate NY and its future.

As to the charges of ignorance, racism, etc - why is it that EVERY issue relating to NYC and its environs has to be seen as a racial issue.  Having lived in the metro area for 7 years, let me say that the myth of NYC as a "melting pot" is just that - a big myth.  If anything it's a boiling pot.  I have never seen another place where there is more racial tension!

Finally, I agree that NYC bashing is really tedious.  Let's get off the topic and concentrate on what this group is supposed to be about - upstate NY!!!

-- Bob Strzelinski

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:23:06 GMT

OK, I grant people have strong feelings about NYC. And I agree that
upstaters shouldn't have to have their (our) landscape ruined to serve
NYC with power lines, water, etc. I know that all the nice bodies of
water in, say, Putnam County, are cordoned off with signs saying "NYC
Water Supply." I could also possibly agree that NYC and upstate
shouldn't have to share the same state as far as taxes, etc. go.

What I don't agree with is that NYC-hatred should be a dominant theme
of this newsgroup. It is possible, no matter what some of the flamers
have said, to like and appreciate both upstate and NYC. They're not
mutually exclusive.
From: gerwitz@sulu.kodak.com (Paul F Gerwitz)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:46:26 GMT
Reply-To: gerwitz@Kodak.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.

In article <1992Dec23.010836.8830@netcom.com>, tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:
|> What's the place name in Upstate NY which is hardest to pronounce?  Well,
|> not to pronounce, but to figure out the proper upstate pronunciation from
|> the spelling?  There seem to be a lot of them.  You can start with
|> Conesus and Honeoye, but there's tons more!
|> 

Seeing as I live in Rochester, i'll start with the popular
mis-pronunciations from this area

Chili   (ch-I-LI)  not (chill-EE)
Charlotte (shar-lot) not (shar-lit)

Since I'm origonally from the Niagara County city of Lockport, I was always
fascinated by the abundance of names that derive from the Iroquois etc
(Excuse the spelling....)


  Tonawanda, Lackawanna, Cheektowaga (town/villages in Erie County) 
  Chatauqua (a lake and county in southwest) 
  Scajaquida (an expressway in Buffalo)


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From: gsfm@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Seymour Morris)
Subject: Re: Rochester brewpubs
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:02:39 GMT

In article <37958@cbmvax.commodore.com> kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any brewpubs in the Rochester area? I'll be home
>there for the holidays and I'm looking for any new places to quench a thirst.
>Any suggestions for favorite watering holes new or old would be appreciated
>also.
>
>Cheers,
>Steve
>
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If you are ever in the Utica area, try a tour at the West End Brewery (MATTS)
They will serve you up a couple brews in their 1888 tavern.  BTW, how many
people know Samual Adams beer (Bostons finest) is brewed under contract by 
Matts in Utica!  

D
B
B

D
D
C
You are not from Upstate unless you have tried a couple dozen Buffal
o wings! HOT! 

I make a motion to delete NYC and Long Island from the state and let them do 
it alone (we can charge them $0.10 a gal for water and $0.20 a KWh for
power, and our taxes would still go down!   o
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From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: OK, how do you say...
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:08:36 GMT

What's the place name in Upstate NY which is hardest to pronounce?  Well,
not to pronounce, but to figure out the proper upstate pronunciation from
the spelling?  There seem to be a lot of them.  You can start with
Conesus and Honeoye, but there's tons more!

We could make it a contest.  Winner gets a free trip to Massena in
January. :-)

--Tim (tssmith@netcom)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Subject: Re: Just a little piece of trivia...
Organization: HICAM/OSD
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:32:40 GMT

In article <STEVEO.92Dec21141559@custard.think.com> steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony) writes:
>In article <BzDG0H.DDD@cmcl2.nyu.edu> obrien@acf3.nyu.edu (Your Worst Nightmare) writes:
>
>   Did you know that if you travelled from Battery Park on Broadway,
>   going uptown (though it runs downtown after 59th Street, Columbus
>   Circle), you could travel all the way to Albany without making one
>   turn?
>
>Of course; Broadway is Rt 9; the old Albany Post Road.

I heard as a kid (~1960) that Rt. 9 retains the name "Broadway" in every
town it passes through from Manhattan to Albany.  Still (ever?) true?

AWR
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.194810.29158@pool.info.sunyit.edu>  
gsfm@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Seymour Morris) writes:

>Since I'm origonally from the Niagara County city of Lockport, I was always
>fascinated by the abundance of names that derive from the Iroquois etc
>(Excuse the spelling....)
>
>
>  Tonawanda, Lackawanna, Cheektowaga (town/villages in Erie County) 
>  Chatauqua (a lake and county in southwest) 
      
It depends on who is pronouncing the word ... Buffalo suburb names are  
pronounced differently by people within the same region, for any number of  
reasons.  Generally speaking, there's a difference in pronunciation based on  
class and lifestyle (not income).  

Let's take "Cheektowaga" for example.  White collar folks around Buffalo  
pronounce the home of the Walden Galleria Cheek-toe-waa-guh while blue collar  
types say Chick-tuh-wah-guh.  I've even heard it pronounced Chick-a-tuh-va-guh  
by some.  Cheektowaga is Iroquois for "crabapple tree", although I heard it  
actually meant "bowling alley" :)

Even affluent Amherst, with its non-Indian name, is pronounced in different  
ways ... Am-hurst by the middle class,  Am-erst by the country club set.  Some  
Amherst residents won't refer to the town name, instead resorting to a  
pseudo-village name, like Williamsville, Snyder, Eggertsville, Swormville,  
Getzville, East Amherst and so on.  Only Williamsville is an actual civil  
division, but anything in the 14221 zip code, Williamsvile proper or Amherst,  
has a Williamsville address.

Buffalo suburb rule-of-thumb ... Iroquois-sounding named suburbs (Tonawanda,  
Cheektowaga, Lackawanna, West Seneca) are blue-collar, generally speaking,  
while Anglo-sounding names (Amherst, Clarence, Orchard Park, Lancaster, Grand  
Island) are white collar.  There are some exceptions ... please note, these are  
just my observations and I have no actual Census statistics or anything like  
that to back up that statement.

>  Scajaquida (an expressway in Buffalo)

NY 198 is properly spelled Scajaquada and pronounced Scuh-jack-qua-duh,  
although I call it "the damn road that cuts through Delaware Park".

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"? (more NYC-ba
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:16:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.182306.22401@nynexst.com> selvin@nynexst.com writes:

>What I don't agree with is that NYC-hatred should be a dominant theme
>of this newsgroup. It is possible, no matter what some of the flamers
>have said, to like and appreciate both upstate and NYC. They're not
>mutually exclusive.

well, I'll go along with much of your article, generally that portion I
deleted...  and I'll agree that since this is 'alt.culture.ny-upstate' and not
'alt.militant.upstaters.bash-nyc' (although... that *would* make a good
group...) we should ninimize the bashing, but -- there is no reason to even
mention NYC here, since this group is dedicated to upstate and to do so
becomes, for some of us, an inflamatory act.

I cannot, however, agree that we upstaters can 'appreciate' a group that, as a
whole, looks upon us as existing solely to serve them and as an economic
'milk-cow' to be taxed for their luxury and convenience... *that* is what
occurs and *that* is how Cuomo and company play the game to keep getting
elected...  oh, I previously ommitted comment on the lovely prisons Cuomo
blighted upstate with...  hmmm, maybe we need 'alt.upstaters.bash-cuomo'...

Walt K.
-- militant Roman
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: turney@cs.cornell.edu (Jenn Turney)
Subject: Re: What the heck is "Upstate"?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:22:38 GMT

Bob Forsythe writes:
  Oh, and BTW, the correct pronunciation of Chaumont is Sha-mo (just in 
  case that hadn't been covered yet (-:)..).

Bravo, Bob!  It definitely had not been covered yet.  Sounds like
something Michael Jackson would say, don't you think?

And Lowville rhymes with "cow-ville", appropriately enough.  Those in
the know are aware that Lowville is the home of Kraft Philadelphia
Cream Cheese (you better believe it!) and AMF bowling pins.  Also the
Lloyd's of Lowville diner (on Route 12, can't miss it).

We had half a foot of snow on Christmas and the temperature reached
about 20 below the day after.  We stayed indoors by the wood stove and
enjoyed our Christmas gifts.  What a great way to spend the holidays.

Jenn
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