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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Bench Depth
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:55:28 GMT

db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:

>Yeah, but...Those aformentioned three starters plus a whole host
>of reserves were good enough to overwhelm the Big10's best at
>the Final Four last season. The two seniors of last year's team
>had very little impact on the FF. Brian Davis went down early
>in the Indiana game and C. Laettner was horrible, especially
>against Michigan. 
>I wouldn't go as far as saying that we won't miss those two
>but this team has plenty of talent left.

	There's a lot of talent yet, but I do think Duke will miss Davis
	and Laettner greatly this season.  Let's not just look at the final
	4 -- Laettner and Davis carried the team all season.  And, against
	Michigan, Laettner did step it up in the 2nd half to lead Duke to
	victory.  The Devils will miss Laettner no matter what, however.
	Last season, he was really their only inside threat, and because
	of his versatility, the opposing center was often taken out of the
	game defensively.  This year's team really doesn't have that sort
	of player.  Also, Laettner was THE man in the clutch.  Witness
	the Kentucky game if none other.  Anyways, while Duke will continue
	to thrive on the team they have now -- they will miss the 2 seniors.

	Jazzy J

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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:29:31 GMT
	<1992Aug27.200423.4503@cis.ohio-state.edu> <Rlj-gw#@engin.umich.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <Rlj-gw#@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
}} 
}} Do I sense some sour grapes? Michigan will win another championship!!!
}} There are few teams that can match their depth....
}} 	   maybe Duke, maybe Indiana, possibly Kansas....Kentucky

I'll grant that Michigan's starting five is amazing, but depth is what
they do *not* have. 

}} But not Ohio State! They're done....still choking from last year... ;)

Ohio State's starting five can't match Michigan, except for possibly
Funderburke, but they are deeper.  Heck, Purdue is deeper than
Michigan.  Actually, Purdue may be the deepest team in the Big-10,
especially across the front line; it's just that their starting
players haven't been as good as the other programs'.

Glenn!  Glenn!  Glenn! ...

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                       Let's hope the usher lets us in.

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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Bench Depth (+ Jayhawk Notes)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:18:16 GMT

In <BtpEGo.3HB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:

>>Do I sense some sour grapes? Michigan will win another championship!!!
>>There are few teams that can match their depth....
>>	maybe Duke, maybe Indiana, possibly Kansas....Kentucky
>			                    ^^^^^^

>	There's no question that Kansas has the MOST depth in the land
>	this season.  Here's a prospective look:
>        (Projected Starters in CAPS)

>	Point Guard:  JORDAN, Rayford
>	Off Guard: WALTERS, Woodberry, Gurley
>	Small Forward:  HANCOCK, Scott, Richie
>	Power Foward:  B.DAVIS, C.Davis (eligible?) 
>	Center:  PAULEY, Ostertag

>	and others that I'm probably missing...

>	But KU returns their entire team, sans only Alonzo Jamison (the
>	only starter lost), David Johanning, and Malcolm Nash (both of
>	which basically only played bit roles).


You'll get nothing but complete agreement from this KU fan.  There are
a couple of line-up adjustments to make, however.  First, Richard
Scott will play power forward; he should start at the beginning of the
season (assuming his off-season injury has healed) and then gradually
give way to Ben Davis as the season progresses.  Second, Sean Pearson
-- a Prop. 48 2-guard out of Illinois -- will back Walters up.
(Woodberry will as well, but he can also play the point and small
forward.)  Pearson was a top 50 player out of high school, but he had
a bit of a problem with the standardized tests.  He should make a
contribution.  Third, Chris Davis didn't meet Prop. 48 requirements
and has decided to enroll at Pensacola (FL) JUCO.  This is a big loss,
as `hawk fans were hoping he would sit out the year and play next
year.  With Richard Scott a junior and Ben Davis a sophomore KU is
loaded at the power forward slot for a while, but it would have been
nice to have Chris Davis (who may be better than either Scott or B.
Davis) available next season.  Williams says he still wants Chris
Davis to be a Jayhawk, but he will have to wait 2 years.  Fourth, Greg
Gurley may redshirt this season.  The Jayhawks are at least 2-deep at
every position with quality players, and playing time will be split
rather evenly among 11 players total.

Finally, the loss of Julian Winfield to Missouri is a bit more costly
than I had thought.  Apparently, KU stopped actively recruiting point
guards after Winfield committed and are now behind many other programs
in the hunt for someone at that position.  According to Roy, "That's
something that's going to hurt our program."  In and of itself,
Winfield's loss isn't all that terrible, but when you consider that
prior to his commitment KU was in on 7 of the top 8 point guards (Jeff
Capel excluded) in the country, it may not have a very happy ending.  

The loss of Winfield and C. Davis means that KU now has 4 open
scholarships.  

ROCK CHALK
orourke@csli.stanford.edu



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From: lowood@leland.Stanford.EDU (Henry Lowood)
Subject: Re: Dwayne Fontana
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.103823.9220@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Russ Smith writes:
>>
>>With Ronaldson back in Australia, Bennett out for the year(was is
>>the ACL?), and Faulkner's status up in the air, Frieder may have
>>trouble putting 5 guys on the court this year.
>>
>The papers in Lexington reported that since Faulkner did not follow
>what the court required, following his conviction for fraud in the
>long distance call case, he must serve 30 days in jail and will
>miss the first semester.  
>-- 

So who, then, IS Frieder going to put on the court?  With all this talent lost,
does ASU have much of a chance to even get as high as 5th or 6th in the
conference?        

Henry
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:49:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Sep2.114952.14854
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <19405@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>Now it seems like everyone schedules a few patsies at the beginning of
>the year to build up the record.  Keady learned his lesson the year he
>had the #17 program in the country (Sagarin) miss the NCAA's because
>they had a tough early schedule.  Now Purdue plays Stetson and Prairie
>View A&M...

The problem with Keady's 1988-89 team, the one you mentioned, was that they
beat some of those tough teams (they annihilated a Connecticut team which
ended up Top #10 the next year), but then they lost to the few cream puffs
on their schedule.
-- 

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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Danhua Newton Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Depth in College Hoops
Date: 28 Aug 1992 20:43:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: Re: Bench Depth
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 21:02:51 GMT

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:

>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:

>Hurley and Hill will step to the forefront. Parks can and will produce in the
>middle, with Meek to back him up, and Thomas Hill, Tony Lang, and some of the
>frosh will add some D and some spark. I see another Final Four.

This *is* a suprise, a Duke fan predicting another final four appearance.

>An aside: Is it just me, or is this the first time in many a year that all
>four of last year's Final Four teams have a truly legitimate shot at returning
>the following season?
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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:08:56 GMT

In article <19405@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>Of late, I think Ohio State takes top honors in the Big-10 for
>creampuff schedule (although you have to give honorary mention to IU
>for their longstanding tradition of their Classics [sic]).
>

In Randy Ayers's first year, Ohio State's schedule was pretty tough.
I can't remember all the teams on it (DePaul, NC St, Oklahoma St, etc.),
but I know the young Buckeyes got their butts kicked early that year.
Two years ago, Ohio State's schedule was indeed the king cream-puff.
And they got a lot of heat for it.  Last year, it wasn't exactly
strong, but it was no creampuff (Miami (OH), Chicago St, Ohio U,
Oregon St, Howard, UCSB, USC, American, Penn St, Seton Hall).
This coming year's is about the same (Ohio U, USC, Bowling Green,
Wright St, West Virginia, N Carolina, Illinois-Chicago, and a
classic with Oregon St/Oregon/Brigham Young).

So, I think Ohio St really only deserves the cream-puff award
for the 90-91 season.  I know that some of the other Big-10 team's
schedules over the last 4-5 years have seemed puffier than Ohio
State's, but don't have the data with me to make a case for some
other team.

david
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Bench Depth
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:12:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtpEGo.3HB
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:

>Do I sense some sour grapes? Michigan will win another championship!!!
>There are few teams that can match their depth....
>	maybe Duke, maybe Indiana, possibly Kansas....Kentucky
			                    ^^^^^^

	There's no question that Kansas has the MOST depth in the land
	this season.  Here's a prospective look:
        (Projected Starters in CAPS)

	Point Guard:  JORDAN, Rayford
	Off Guard: WALTERS, Woodberry, Gurley
	Small Forward:  HANCOCK, Scott, Richie
	Power Foward:  B.DAVIS, C.Davis (eligible?) 
	Center:  PAULEY, Ostertag

	and others that I'm probably missing...

	But KU returns their entire team, sans only Alonzo Jamison (the
	only starter lost), David Johanning, and Malcolm Nash (both of
	which basically only played bit roles).

	-- Duke doesn't seem to have all that much depth coming into this
	season.  Sure, 3 starters return (G.Hill, T.Hill, and Hurley) --
	and a whole host of reserves, but most of the bench players are 
	going to have to make big steps forwards this season to make any
	impact (freshmen included).

	-- Indiana should remain tough.  The only real losses were Eric
	Anderson and Jamaal Meeks, who averaged about 13 ppg between them.
	The core of Henderson, Bailey, G.Graham, and Cheaney remains intact,
	and Pat Graham returns as well.  Indiana certainly is deep in 
	numbers.

	-- Kentucky is fairly deep, but will have to incorporate a lot
	of new players.  Here's a look at their prospective lineup:

	Point Guard:  FORD, Braddy (?)   (UK is VERY slim at this position)
	Shooting Guard:  BROWN, Delk, Harrison
        Small Forward:  RHODES, Pritchett 
	Power Forward:  MASHBURN, Timberlake
	Center:  MARTINEZ, Dent (eligible?), Riddick

	Will be interesting to see how Pitino juggles his lineups, though.
	Interesting to note -- whereas in the past where UK was guard laden,
	this season, they're stocked with "big" men.

	-- Michigan -- while it does retain the Fab 5, also returns a whole
	host of players on the bench as well.  But, don't look for them to
	play too big of a role this season.  Witness Kirk Taylor -- a starter
	2 seasons ago, averaged 10 ppg, yet last season took a seat on the
	DEEP bench -- with penultimate scrubs Chip Armer and Chris Seter
	(I never really understood Taylor's demotion here).  Perhaps the
	same fate will befall Michael Talley?  It remains to be seen.

	We'll see this season...

	Jazzy J
	
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:11:48 GMT


	OK -- here's a test for all U netters out there.
	Name the starting 5 for the NCAA Champions for the last 10
	years -- and by position.  For example:

	1990 -- UNLV
	Point Guard -- Greg Anthony, 6'0"
	Shooting Guard -- Anderson Hunt, 6'1"
	Small Forward -- Stacey Augmon, 6'8"
	Power Forward -- Larry Johnson, 6'5"
	Center -- David Butler, 6'10"

	Now, do this off the top of your head!  No books allowed!

	(just a trivia challenge)

        Jazzy J
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From: jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Mavericks picks up Dexter Cambridge ?..
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:31:03 GMT
Distribution: usa



 I just saw in the LA times that the Dallas Mavericks picked up 
 forward Dexter Cambridge from UTexas on a one-year contract.

 I thought Dexter was never drafted. I am surprised he managed this
 after a lackluster college career (following a lot of hype after JC).
 Anyone has more info ?

 May be the publicity he got after the NCAA suspension helped him
 after all ?..

 Jay
From: burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:24:56 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Aug28.141933.5779@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>In article <14807@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>>Not to start a flame war or anything, but why would anyone
>>pass up playing in the ACC to play for Dale Brown?
>
> On the other hand, why would anyone pass up playing for Dale Brown to play
>in the ACC? 
>

	I dunno - maybe because he'd like to play on a national
	championship team?

	Am I correct that Dale Brown has made the Final Four
	a total of once?  Who was on that team?

	--rb
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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Mizzou + Winfields
Keywords: tranfer, U of Missouri, SLU, Kansas
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:33:16 GMT

In <BtEJ9J.41K@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John
Wilbur Althauser) writes:

>A news story today reported that St. Louis University player
>Julian Winfield transfered & enrolled at Mizzou on Thursday.  His 
>father was an assistant coach at SLU, and rejected new coach
>Charlie Spoonhauer's overtures to keep him on the staff.
>(probably hard feelings with AD which pressured Grawer out).

>Roy Williams at KU had a verbal committment from Julian to go there,
>but he changed his mind.  Lee Winfield has been offered the
>restricted earning coaching position at Mizzou, which just opened
>up. Williams is mad since Lee told him that Julian wouldn't limit
>his possible tranfer schools to a place that his father coached.
>Tough stuff Roy, remember a fellow named Manning?  Mizzou AD 
>Dan Devine has recommended that Mizzou hire Lee, and forwarded 
>the request to his chancellor.

...

This is an interesting development.  I was surprised when Roy offered
Winfield a scholarship this past spring, since he had said he wanted
to save that scholarship for this fall.  In addition, KU was (and is)
reportedly recruiting the high schools hard for players to replace
Adonis Jordan and Rex Walters, and they had had some initial success
even though Winfield had committed to KU (8 -- now 7, apparently -- of
the top high school point guards and 2 or 3 of the top shooting guards
have expressed interest in KU).  Assuming some success on this front,
it would have been difficult for Winfield to get playing time.
Winfield was ticketed to play point guard at KU, but he would have had
to fight Calvin Rayford (plus any recruit) for time.  Given his
athleticism I'm sure he would have helped, but it is probably better
for everyone that he enrolled at Mizzou.  He will likely start for the
Tigers and KU will have his scholarship (and his absence) to attract a
high school player.  (That said, KU will undoubtedly fail to sign
anyone and he will turn out to be the second coming of Anthony
Peeler.)

By the way, Roy may not remember Manning since he and his son left
Lawrence the year before Williams arrived.  

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu


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From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: *taptaptaptap*
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:21:07 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

only 100 days!!
(argh)
-- 
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From: davem@county.lmt.mn.org (David Mackmiller)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Keywords: Big Ten Champs
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.141416.12718@cs.wayne.edu> steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips) 
writes:>> Oh sure, it'll be easy for teams in the Big Ten to stop Michigan.
>> All you have to do is figure out a way to stop Webber, and Rose, and
>> King, and Howard, and somehow out-coach Steve Fisher.  An easy task.  Not.
>> 

Last year, when the Fab Four played at Minnesota, Voshon Lenard (freshman) stopped 'em 
cold.  I think he had around 30 points, and was blocking shots and stealing balls like 
there was no tomorrow.  It was probably the game of his life and thoroughly demoralized 
the Wolverines.  During the final two minutes, the crowd was chanting "Over-rated".  God, 
I loved it. 

Anyway, we know what happened the rest of the season.  Gophers barely made it to the NIT.  

* Sigh *

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard:  taking money?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:06:42 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Keywords: Investigation to Michigan Basketball

According to the latest reports, the NCAA is not going to investigate. It
was within their regulations. 
BTW, it was not Howard that was involved, it was Eric Riley.

Thank God it was just someone trying to strat something bad about them...

					Marty
From: hjjcl@usho1b.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:05:02 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Sep1.130125.4690@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>
>>>	Am I correct that Dale Brown has made the Final Four
>>>	a total of once?  Who was on that team?
>>
>>No you are not.  '81 and '86.  No All-Americans on either of the teams.
>>Except Rudy Macklin. (and maybe Ethan Martin?)
>>
>>From memory:
>>1981:  Ethan M., Rudy M., Jordy Hultberg, Howard "High C" Carter, can't
>>think of the rest off hand.
>
> Greg Cook, ?Greene, Leonard Marshall. 
			      ^^^^^^^^
I think it was Mitchell.  Marshall is the Giants DE, -- but would've
probably made a great center!! (a la Barkley)
>
>>
>>1986:  Don Redden, Nikita Wilson, Ricky Blanton, ?Jose Vargas?, Derrick
>>Carter, Anthony Wilson, ????, ????.
>
> Close enough.
>

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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug28.181731.10294@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes...
>billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> 
>>Oh, and I gotta tell you, that fichigan thing cracks me up every time.  I
>>can't wait for the turn of the century when you come up with the next
>>haymaker. 
> 
>well i could just call you wolverines a bunch of inept dolts without
>half a brain like you truly are, but "fichigan" conveys the same meaning
>with less words.

Bzzzzzt!  Sorry wrong answer.  The correct answer is:  Fishigan -
ancient Indian word meaning "Michigan kicks Illinois ass in football
every year and it always seems to be the game that knocks us out of
Rose Bowl contention and they also knocked us out of the Final Four in 89
and I'm pissed and jealous and haven't figured out how to capitalize
yet and I don't know what else to do because I have the mind of a
ten year old so I'll resort to childish name calling."  But thanks
for playing and you'll receive a copy of our home game.
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