From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:12:21 GMT
Distribution: usa


sm>In article <1992Nov20.184942.27820@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com> steve@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Steven Martin) writes:
and again
sm>In article <1992Nov20.185114.27858@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com> steve@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Steven Martin) writes:
and again
sm>In article<1992Nov20.185230.27894@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com> steve@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Steven Martin) writes:
dk>In article <1992Nov20.155459.6850@nas.nasa.gov> Dan King dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov writes:
  
You don't mind if I only answer one of your posts do you Steve?
 
dk>Then don't have sex.  Some of us feel the rewards from sex are 
dk>worth the risk.  Some of us are willing to leave our houses 
dk>knowing that it could result in harm, but knowing the reward 
dk>is worth the risk.  If you feel safer staying in your house 
dk>and avoiding all outside risk, hey I would never pass legislation
dk>forcing you to leave your house.
 
sm>I'm sorry, what risk are you referring to? Since you feel no 
sm>responsibility towards an unborn child and you can talk so callously
sm>about killing such an infant, it is apparent that you aren't taking
sm>any risks at all. Unless you mean the risk of having to pay for someone
sm>elses abortion! 
 
I think you need to learn something about the abortion procedure.
It is not risk free, painless or free.  Regardless of anyones 
feelings about the fetus's status, abortion is rarely painless 
physically or emotionally.  I have never had an abortion but I
do know women that have.  I'd advice you to talk to some women 
before you trivialize their decisions.
  
sm>I guess I hadn't realized that I had become so out of touch and that
sm>I wasn't aware that so many people are using abortion as casual
sm>birth control. Naturally if you don't have even the morals to consider
sm>that you may be killing another human being, then you won't feel much
sm>compelled to consider taking responsible action to keep the pregnancy
sm>from happening in the first place.
 
From this post, I would have to agree that you are out of touch.
 
Are there a lot of people using abortion as casual birth control?
Do you have statistics or any evidence to back up this claim that
many people are using abortion as casual birth control or perhaps 
you could tell us what you mean by casual birth control?
 
I take reasonable precautions to ensure any act of coitus sex
I participate in does not result in un-wanted conception.  For 
me, abstinence from coitus sex is not reasonable.  I will 
continue to use my chosen mode of birth control and I resent 
you and Elizabeth attempting to dictate to me which form is 
acceptable.
 
sm>Thank you for making me aware how morally low people in this nation
sm>have sunk. I think I have just become much clearer in my stance on
sm>abortion.
 
And what is that?  Are you by any chance one of those willing
to use government force to ensure that I practice my sex life 
the way you feel is appropriate?
 
sm>Elizabeth, don't let these hypocrites twist your thoughts about the
sm>subject. It is refreshing to find young people who use their brains
sm>rather than their genitals to make important decisions in their lives.
 
I have no problem with Elizabeth practicing abstinence.  I practice
abstinence much more of my life than I don't.  However, when I 
do decide to not abstain, I fail to see why business that is of 
yours or Elizabeths.  Why don't you explain how my position is
hypocritical?
 
sm>        Steve Martin
 
Dan King