HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 11 Oct 92 08:45:52 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Oct10.165557.9344@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>In article <BvvA2s.MG5@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>> In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>> >Who's Janis Joplin?
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me why love is like a ball and chain?
>>--------
>>I don't know about that, but won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz?
>
>I'm too busy watching Dialing for Dollars.

Oh, lord, won't you buy me a 35" direct view, mts stereo, dolby 
surround sound, picture-in-picture, color tv....

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              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: PASSING by Langston Hughes
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:37:00 GMT

> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>> Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
>> 
>> 			       PASSING
>> 			   Langston Hughes
>
>There's a movie from the '30's that deals with this theme -- I can't
>remember the name of it.  It has to do with a mother-daughter
>relationship in which the daughter decides to pass.  Anyone out there 
>know what I'm talking about?  Arne would know, but he's taking a break, 
>more's the pity.

Sounds like "Imitation of Life," a Lana Turner, John Gavin
three-hanky from the 50s.  One of the subplots had Lana's
black housekeeper's daughter trying to pass as white.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ebt100g@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Help for a friend with HIV
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:00:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Dear Netters:

I have a gay friend in Mexico who is only 21 years of age and
is now seropositive for HIV.  He is rejected by his family and
others who do not understand.  He receives extremely poor
health care.  He is very depressed and suicidal and would desire
some contact with people from the U.S.  He reads and writes
English very well.  Anyone who has the time to send him letters
or cards of support may do so by writing him at:

                     Jose Luis Herrera R.
                     Privada "Las Lichas" #895
                     Colonia Samaniego
                     Ciudad Lerdo, Durango  35155
                                  MEXICO

He doesn't have a telephone or access to a computer.

Thank you all.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elaine@ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: Fresh from the oven
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:22:28 GMT

: What sort of loving religion is it that supports the rejecting 
: children by their parents?
I think the phrase "by their fruits ye shall know them" which is actually
rather a double entendre :-) is a good one.  [For the religiously raised,
it means that if you do bad things, you have a bad philosophy.  I hope I
don't have to explain the soc.motss version.]

Mainly posting this to try out a new news reader,
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:08:24 GMT

In article <1bc9doINNrp4@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM  
(Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:
} HOWEVER, I am not evil by definition and CERTAINLY NOT by the skin color I
} happened to have been born with.  I take great offense to the general nature
} of his post and the condescending tone about the perceived inability of white
} people to care about other peoples and the believed inability of white people
} to grow to anything beyond tolerance.

Face the real problem.  Your people enforced slavery 200 years ago and the  
effects of that deed are STILL killing Black people in this country.  What is  
being done about it?  What are YOU doing about it?  Are you merely enjoy the  
comfort of being White?  How the HELL can you shout down something from your  
ivory tower and expect me to take it as some form of edict!  If White people on  
the whole "cared" so much, would we STILL be having this problem?

} I suggest you get the enormous chip off your shoulder and try to work with
} people instead of assuming they are against you from the outset.

It's called survival.  I had that mentality at first, but I just ended up  
looking stupid.  I now EXPECT most Whites to disappoint me.  If they don't,  
it's a pleasant surprise.

} Now, I don't expect this post to change your mind, but I needed to write it.
} I suppose you needed to write yours as well.  That is a shame.  Treating
} white people with the respect and understanding you feel whites treat blacks
} with sets us all backward.

Change my mind from what?  It seems that you're so willing to flee from the  
real problem.  I can understand why.  What do Whites have to gain from realized  
Black equality either in soc.motss or elsewhere in this country?  Not a damn  
thing ...

} I suspect you do not realize or do not care that you are becoming part of the
} problem you seem to desperately want to solve.

Educate yourself.  I will not put on blinders just because my anger may offend  
Whites who think the status quo is just fine and dandy, cozy and comfy, and  
want me just to tag along.

Donald - Lucien, wherever you are, I love you.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Ah, Smell the Fashion.
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:42:47 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Didn't read the magazine, of course--I deposited it several
>seats away--it smelled like the ground floor of a department store
>(ladies' perfume).

I think this must be a Cultural Universal.  Both Nouvelles Galeries
here in Grenoble and Samaritaine in Paris have Ladies' Perfume (and
not much else) on the ground floor.  Is there an as yet unexplained
reason for this?

,
Eamonn, inexplicably justified
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Directions (was Re: Results of Sexual Orientation)
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:52:17 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1460@dosbears> drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R.
Preston) writes, both-handedly, sending north, south, east
and wet, er, west:

>Generally, when I think of west and east, I'm imagining
>looking at a map with north being up, south is down, west to
>the left and east to the right.

Little things like what you see in your mind's eye when
imagining the compass points get reinforced, perhaps, from
the context you're most accustomed to.  As a kid wandering
around by myself on the streets of Chicago, a city with a
predominantly rectangular grid and situated on the western
shore of Lake Michigan, I somehow engrained the idea that
"the water" lay to the east.

Rather than map-oriented concepts, I seem to get my bearings
by having a sense of where big things are [ha ha] wrt to my
current location.  I almost never get lost, "it's *that*
way" being somehow a constantly present guide as to where a
destination is.

But I'd been living in Madison a couple years and often
found myself turned 90 degrees on this mental compass before
it sank in that Lake Mendota, which is our largest
geographical feature (about 30 mi^2), lies to the north of
the campus, not to the east It wasn't until then that I
recognized how the earlier Chicago experience had shaped my
interior compass.

I know I use the sun somewhat instinctively when crashing
around country roads gawking at the lovely green hills
(rather yellow and red now, I imagine, lots of red this
year), because if it's quite overcast, my directional sense
is less secure.

Giving directions to my house, I would be apt to say: go one
block west of University Bay Drive and one block south, take
a right J-hook to the south, then a half block west.  A good
friend at work couldn't find it.  He found it instantly when
I said: go past the VA Hospital to the U-Pump, hang a left,
then zig-zag right/left/right, third house.

<> [On virginity:] Sex is a *huge* topic; do you think it can
<> be summed up in just *one* "experience"?
<> John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:22:53 GMT

In article <Bvt580.4Ev@agora.rain.com>
bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
 
>There is a rumor making the rounds that (in the form I heard it)
>the owner of Blockbuster Video franchises in the pnw, John David
>Griesbaum, had given large sums of money to the OCA.  As a result
>a lot of people were angrily marching into local Blockbusters and
>cutting up their cards.
>
Okay, it's not true. But has anyone noticed how hard it is (stop snickering, me
n) to get a gay or lesbian-themed video in a Blockbuster? Back when "Henry and
June" ("Emmanuelle" with pretensions, IMHO) came out with its NC-17 rating, BB
announced it would not carry NC-17 movies. But I wonder now whether the store h
as quietly extended this policy to gay movies as well. No "Desert Hearts," no "
Lianna," no "Longtime Companion," etc. You get the picture. Or maybe it's cause
 I'm in ALabama, where the greatest demand is for tractor-pull and wrestling vi
deos...
 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:44:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.151301.16209@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>Is the lovely George Reilly (georgere@microsoft.com) regular
>enough to qualify for your list? I cannot believe that he
>has ever been even lightly singed here, although I can
>imagine he's been toasted from time to time.
>
>And how about sweet Rod Williams (rjwill6@pacbell.com), a
>man whose tastes in coffee are as cultivated as his wit?
>Has Rod ever been roasted here?

We have a palicy of naat infooriatin' the Irish.  And that goes dooble
for Eamonn.

(I'm just waiting to be strangled for my dumb attempts at a Bostonian's
idea of a Irish accent, learned at his grandma's knee.)

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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:45:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.2
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Oct12.234259.10176@gallant.apple.com> stevec@apple.com (Steve Christensen) writes:
>Matthew Melmon, mattm@apple.com writes:
>>This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
>>the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
>>is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...
>>
>>Singer?  Actor?  Sports celebrity?  
>
>He's on Beverly Hills 90210...

I believe he will be hosting SNL this week.

-- 
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Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:20:24 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Oct15.192721.11440@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
Donahue) wrote:

> >Now, here's a question for you... If you were given the opportunity to
> >have a one on one lunch with Jesse Helms, would you take the invitation?
> >I certainly would... What about you?
> 
> 	As much as I would like to think I would, I probably wouldn't.
> There are so many other people on the planet for whom having lunch with 
> would be a good experience.  It's totally clear that no one has
> ever penetrated through his skull into what little mind he has
> (let alone heart or soul), what could I bring that hasn't been brought
> before?  I'd rather spend the time with someone for whom I could
> be an influence, or just have anice lunch with someone separate
> from any overriding pathos.

I think (but only on weekends) that the *point* is:  IF Jesse Helms
were actually to sit down at lunch with a raving homosexual, and
thus discover that in fact said raving homosexual was not so raving,
and was actually a *real* *person* - THEN Mr. Helms would find it
more difficult to demonize said raving homosexuals on the floor of
our august Capitol.  And the more such lunches Mr. Helms were 
treated to, the more difficult it would become.

In other words, such personal contact would do more to further 'The
Movement' than any volume of yapping.  And I do not think a better
luncheon companion could be found for Mr. Helms than the *very*
painted lady who suggested the idea.  I am reminded of the words
"I hate things designed only to kill" spoken as a Navy pilot 
plopped down his tip in a Mongolian restaurant...

Melmothra, ACC
(who is personally willing to overlook the fact Navy pilots are
designed to kill, especially when they swoop over my building in
*really* *fast* *jets* all painted blue and going BOOM BOOM BOOM
CRASH SWOOOOOSHHHHHHHHH - I get all shivery and goose-bumpery-like)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Robert Coren has never been flamed
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:52:31 GMT

coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>Maybe it's just my thick skin (or selective memory), but I can't
>recall that I've ever been flamed, in personal terms. Now, maybe, as
>Jess suggested, I've been playing it too "safe". Then again, I don't,
>myself, go in for insult or ad hominem attack, which have a tendency
>to attract same.

If you had bothered to think for even a moment before you posted this,
you would have realised that it is obviously moronic nonsense.  But
that's just what we've come to expect from you, Coren.  Every time I
see one of your cretinous posts I recoil in disgust, but until now I
have refrained from saying so.  This time, however, you have gone too
far; the smarmy self-righteousness and insensitivity of your article
provoked a fit of uncontrollable nausea in me.  Who do you think you
are, anyway?  Just fuck off and die, creep.

There, how's that?

Your loving colleague,
,
Eamonn McManus
Neumann's comma
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:35:38 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Oct10.023217.24844@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.214224.9325@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.190537.3069@macc.wisc.edu>,
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) considers the following to be
>>"*exact rhymes":
>>> 
>>> loan
>>> Joan
>>> shone
>>> tone
>>> roan (a reddish horse)
>>> sewn
>>> 
>>> and, not quite so exact a rhyme:
>>> 
>>> blown
>>
>>Now it's *my* turn to be surprised. What's different about this one
>>(soundwise, I mean)?

If you say ``blown'' in the same way that you would say ``Loan''
or ``Joan'' --

get the bl out and then drop your lower jaw.  A lot.   And hear how
it sounds different.

(laura creighton, who is teaching Spanish to a NY Jew who can't
get the  ``oy'' swa  out of most of his vowel tones -- as far as
I can tell, New York Jew has *no* pure vowels, just swas! grr!
but I am getting better at describing just how my mouth and jaw
moves to get the sounds one can hear but not do.

{so why the hell can't I trill a r, needed for perfect
Spanish and so far impossible for me despite hearing it 
perfectly, and flunking saying it for more than 15 years!!}

-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 02:08:19 GMT


In article <67503@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
(George Dalton Madison) writes:

>I suspect it has
>to do with my rather utilitarian approach to food.

You're a Capricorn, maybe?

>() How many people speak the same language even when they
>() speak the same language?
>()      -- Russell Hoban

Most excellent quote!
<snarfing noises in the background>
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Further Butchification
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: not dead yet, says mary queen of scots
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:47:51 GMT

in article <1992Oct9.050509.18185@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (jack
hamilton) inquires, hot fresh motorcycle in hand:

 >Speaking of butchification, I don't recall having seen Arnold Zwicky post
 >for a few days.  Has he disappeared somewhere?

resisting the temptation to say i've been having a course of butch
injections...

just impossibly busy, and a little political/social (tuesday night
amidst the glenn family and supporters), and, more recently, mildly
sick...so that when i hadn't checked news from last night until this
i discovered there were *240* postings.  ok, a big bunch of melon-man
junk i didn't read - sorry, folks, no strange recipes or appalling
stories - and a lot i'm skimming through at lightning speed.

before i gave up and went to bed to doze fitfully and sweat out
my fever this afternoon, i *did* have lunch with a woman friend who's
become a great admirer of our ailsa's postings on alt.pagan.  everything's
connected to everything else.

arnold
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 10:42:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <CARLTON.92Oct7172343@scws1.harvard.edu> 
carlton@scws1.harvard.edu (david carlton) wrote, 
in response to my question if he liked _The Blue
Angel_, the only Dietrich film he's seen:

> Yes, I did.  I've seen films that I liked a lot more, but I thought
> that it was pretty good.  

Well, there are *lots* of films I like more than TBA.

> I got the feeling that I would have liked it
> a lot more if I had lived when it was made, though.  Or at least I
> felt distanced from what was going on for some reason; it may have
> been as much that it wasn't American or British as the time
> difference.  I don't remember it and my feelings about it clearly
> enough to be sure.

That's a very common feeling about early sound and silent 
films (the feeling of being distanced).  They use a completely 
different film language than that which is used today, and it
does take getting used to.  Thank God I've gotten used to it,
because there are silents which in sheer expressive power
blow sound films completely off the map.  Has there ever been
a more stunning performance on film than Renee Falconetti's
in _The Passion of Joan of Arc_?  I'd be hard pressed to think
of one.  Or Lillian Gish's big scene in _The Wind_ (I confess
that I've only ever seen her big scene; I don't know how the
rest of that film is).

If you ever feel like exploring Dietrich's oeuvre, the films
you should see are the 6 she made with Joseph von Sternberg
for Paramount in the early 1930s.  Of those, I'd single out
_Morocco_, _Blonde Venus_, and _Shanghai Express_ [hmmmmm,
didn't someone else have a film with a title similar to 
that?].  Melmon complained about conservative angles and
stilted dialogue and a host of other things about films from
the 1930s.  Such criticisms do not apply to the Dietrich/
von Sternberg films.  They're self-indulgent, exotic, lyrical, 
sensual, mythic movies unlike any others that have ever been 
mad  Now of course one can't approach them the way one
approaches _Terminator 2_ or _A River Runs Through It_
or whatever.  They have to be taken on their own terms.

Arne
From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:02:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Oct12.180259.14453
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>No need to duck from me on that one.  It's why I really
>don't like her Cole Porter Songbook.  The songs are all
>very pleasantly done, but there's no *ooompf*.  Her Harold
>Arlen is all wrong, too.  The successful Arlen singers are
>the ones who've got that extra something -- be that lived 
>experience, pain, personality -- people like Judy Garland 
>and Lee Wiley and the young Barbra Streisand.  Ella's
>Harold Arlen just sits there.  It's *beautiful*, but not
>at all involving, and I don't know of another songwriter
>whose songs can be more delightful, painful, involving.
>Compare Ella's The Man That Got Away or Over the Rainbow 
>with Judy's.  Compare Ella's Stormy Weather with Ethel
>Waters' or Judy's or Ivie Anderson's.  Compare Ella's
>Let's Take a Walk Around the Block with Tammy Grimes',
>or her One for My Baby with Yvonne de Carlo's.  Ella sings
>all of those songs beautifully -- there is almost no one
>with that gorgeous a tone, that incredible an instrument --
>but there's no *person* there.

If you want to hear the true Ella, you have to throw away those
songbook albums and get her live stuff: "Ella in Berlin", 
"Ella Returns to Berlin", and especially "Ella in Rome"
All the Ella song books I've heard are dull and lacking, 
well, Ella-ness. She seems to be constrained by the muzak 
style orchestras that usually accompany her on these albums.

So, has anyone been to a Ella concert recently?

Ken


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