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In rec.boats, spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes) writes:

    Another B.S!

Sir,
    I must protest vehemently at your despicable appropriation of my
signature.  You should know that I have laboured long and hard to
achieve the requisite level of curmudgeonliness that warrants its use.
Why, here at my place of employment, I am even referred to as "OF"
(for "old <something or other>").         

    Should you continue to appropriate the signature in said 
despicable manner I shall be forced to call you out and beat it (the
BS) out of you.

    I remain, your obedient servant,
                                         B.S!

P.S.  Anyway, isn't your name "William"?
From: pricejoh@CS.ColoState.EDU (john russel price)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Boatlift/House Questions
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:15:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University Computer Science, Industrial Technology



      What type of boat lift equipment are being used around the 
      country? I am interested to here what type of "shore-station"
      type equipment is used in the diferent regions of the US. The
      size of boats would be < 4000# and length < 22'. Specifically 
      a "ski-nautique" or "supra" or comperable inboard or even semi-V
      to deep-V inboard outboards.

      The types of lakes would be lakes with year round residence or just
      weekend lakehouses. And with lakefront beach or shore that allows 
      people to have a lift to store there boat in.

      This may seem kind of confusing but any type of information 
      about the current market and type of equipment available would 
      be appreciated. I have a product that I would like to get some
      exposer in diferent areas but am not familiar with any areas except
      for eastern Nebraska and western Iowa. 

      If you are not sure what I am looking for but think you might have 
      some helpful info drop me a message and I will get back with you.

                                Thanks


-- 
John Price    email: pricejoh@handel.CS.Colostate.Edu
From: mdunn@reed.edu (Marvin Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re:  El Toro races
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:41:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct8.164139.14081
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Speaking of the El Toro .... does anyone know where I can obtain plans or
a kit?  Any idea how much it would cost to build one.  I'm more interested 
in using it as a dingy.  It would make a nice winter project. Thanks.

				-Marv
-- 
Marv Dunn
Computer User Services                      mdunn@reed.edu
Reed College                                tektronix!reed!mdunn
Portland, OR 97202			    San Juan 24 "Hocus Pocus"
From: Paul.Saltzman@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Paul Saltzman)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: gps and accuracy
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:03:00 -0800

Just a short comment on our only real need for the loran to prove it's
value was durring a long island sound race. Prior to the start the
entire sound was fogged in. we had to find a can for the delayed start.
we followed the loran as if it was a seeing eye dog. and sure enought it
took us to within three feet of the can. from a stand point of need
verus cost. i have to go withloran since the gps's are still high. By
the way, our model was the alpeco which sold for two hundred dollars. it
is feature filled and handles our club racing as well as all of our
crusing. $200.00 not bad, and works. I personally think that there is
still time to wait before gps is that reasonable.

 * OLX 2.2 * boatless and filled with tears!!1


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From: scott@prodplan.Columbia.NCR.COM (Scott Bridges)
Subject: Re: Nav lights for a sailboat (WAS:Nav lights quiz)
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.203555.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> mvartiai@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>>From: AKILPINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen, IAMSR)
>>Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
>>
>>A related question to this. Last summer I saw (in Germany) some information 
>>which  claimed that they plan such changes to the international regulations
>>that you could replace the steaming light and the stern light by one 360 deg
>>light. You could thus use the anchor light and bow lights while motoring. Have
>>anyone else got any such information? A minimal configuration would thus
>>consist of a combined tricolor-anchorlight and a combined red-green bowlight
>>(for small < 12m sailboats I suppose).
>>
>>-antti
>
>That is almost a permitted way to set the lights for a small (<12m) sailboat.
>I made the kind of set-up last autumn. 
>
>    Windex       about 11 m above waterline 
>     TRI         Tricoloured lantern and         (Aqua Signal 40 Quickfit
>     WHI         All-round light white            Tri-White) 
>      I     
>      I
>      I
>      I
>      BI         Bicoloured lantern about 2.5 m above waterline
>      I
>      I
>
>When sailing I use tricolour and it illuminates my Windex too.
>(Windex is mounted directly to the mast, instead of the lantern.)
>When motoring I use bicoloured lantern and all-round white.
>Bicoloured is OK, but combined masthead light and sternlight is the question. 
>My sternlight is not as far to the stern as possible, but this is not strictly
>defined in the COLREGS.
>The masthead light is OK (> 1 m above bicoloured lantern).
>
>I prefer to have my lights well above the wawes.
>Normally I use a kerosene light as an anchor light.
>
>This arrangement gives good visibility (for the others) and saves my battery.
>
>Matti
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Matti Vartiainen, Nokia Telecommunications, Helsinki, Finland
>mvartiai@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi                + 358 0 511 5889


Your setup looks like it would work just fine, but it does bring to mind
a question.  With your red/green bicolored light actually attached to 
your mast, is it possibly obscured from view to leeward by a lapping genoa?

Scott Bridges


-- 
Scott Bridges                               Phone (803) 791-6387
NCR Corp-MCPD Columbia                      Fax (803) 739-7362
3325 Platt Springs Rd                       scott@prodcntr.columbiaSC.NCR.COM
West Columbia, SC 29170
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From: lee@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Lee Faa)
Subject: Laser mail group
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:35:04 GMT

What ever happened to the Laser mail group?  I'm a Laser
sailor and the info was of great interest.  If the mail
group is gone, could we have a news group just for Lasers?

Lee Faa
NCR MCPD-Columbia
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: "OMC Sea Drives"
Date: 13 Oct 1992 08:18:29 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1555@niktow.canisius.edu> pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
>
>   "OMC sea drives".  I've noticed that these boats are usually priced
>   Had one dealer tell me that people distrust them.  Would any of you
>   know something about them, what problems may exist, etc ?  To me, they
>   appear to be integrated bracket/outboard combinations with some additional
>   gear that, I would assume, is a mechanism for turning/tilting the 
>   outboards themselves ?  Any info would be appreciated.

They look like an outboard, with a built-on ocean bracket to me...

I've never dealt with or been in a boat that had one. As far as
I recall, they were marketed back when the major manufacturers only
made V4 outboards, and so they would likely be a little long in the
tooth now. I don't know anything about the reliability of the trim
and tilt mechanisms, but I'd guess the powerhead/drive components
to be as reliable as any 10 year old OMC product.

I always thought they looked a bit strange... Maybe their appear-
ance is what puts potential buyers off.

-- Mike

-------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions - not my employer's
From: moinard@irisa.fr (Yves Moinard, tel 7313, bureau 214AB)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio/recieiver
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:17:25 GMT
Reply-To: moinard@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA, Rennes, France

It is for American people to answer for the specific frequencies,
but here is some general information:

There are three kinds of ship to shore radio communications
(and a boat having these three has generally to pay 3 taxes...)

You have AM shortwaves for intercontinental communications,
         AM mediumwaves for intracontinental communications ( a few hundred nm)

These two are in SSB, so the two important things if you buy a receiver for this purpose are: no holes in frequencies,
		SSB capabilities (it is written SSB or USB+LSB in some knob).
A good receiver, or even a not so good one, can relatively easily receive the shore
station, for the boat station, it is also easy if the boat is close enough,
otherwise you need a good receiver + some good antena)

Thirdly you have VHF for coastal communications ("visual range" except in 
exceptional conditions)
also I think some (marginal?) VHF SSB exists but I am not sure.

Yves Moinard
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From: shk@Techsoar.WLK.COM (Nick Leonard)
Subject: GPS vs LORAN
Organization: Techsoar Corporation, Pipe Creek, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:13:23 GMT

Having seen the postings asking about GPS/Loran, I thought I'd throw in
my 2cts worth...

     Having just spent about three months knocking about the NorthEast
with both types of gear on my sailboat, I came away with some interesting
conclusions.

  The gear is a Pronav 100 GPS and a Raytheon 520 LORAN.

  From Cape Cod area, down into the Chesapeake and outside (less than 100
miles off) the Loran performed very well.....once correctly calibrated.

 The GPS exists on the boat for the sole purpose of a Lat/Long readout
twice a day, offshore.....period.

   Comparing the two led me to do some careful plotting and I discovered
that the Loran seemed to give excellent  accuracy. The Fed and their signal
skewing tended to cause the GPS to be a little off.  Please  note that I am
always looking at hundreths as the point of interest.

   If you are in an area known for a strong Loran chain ...no mountains blah
blah then perhaps the Loran is the better, more logical choice. However, the
Lorans don't perform well in the Bahamas and (I hear) parts of the West Coast
so.......

   GPS is the wave of the future and when the entire complement of sats
are up the access will be perfect. A little lacking, now but for off-
shore and areas of known inaccuracy....the appropriate equipment.

    BTW I have a Loran in an airplane, and what with the antenna now up some
thousands of feet, the signals are strong and it's accuracy is superb. VOR
is becoming obsolete.

    Loran is gonna be around for quite awhile. For a coastal boat probably
the best all round gear (given the caveat above).

   But....be really sure your set is calibrated!
   Cheers,
-- 
Nick Leonard        shk@Techsoar.WLK.Com
                    cs.utexas.edu!techsoar.wlk.com!shk
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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: dingy bottoms
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:03:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.175823.9797@phri.nyu.edu>
roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
 
>
>EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>>1.  Drip detergent into the water just in front of the bow.  Based on
>>my (recent) experiments in the bathtub, this might leave a film of detergent
>>on the surface of the water long enough for the boat to sail over it and
>>get some benifit.
>
>	IYRU rule 63(a) says, "A yacht shall not eject or release from a
>container any sustance (such as polymer), the purpose of which is, or could
>be, to reduce the fircitional resistance of her surface by altering the
>character of the flow of water inside the boundary layer.
>
>	Rule 63(b) also prohibits "specially textured hull surfaces".  I'm
>not 100% sure what they're getting at, but I suspect that what David Spencer
>suggested, i.e. making the middle third of his bottom rough to induce
>non-laminar flow, would be illegal.
>
I suspected that there might be such a rule against it...that is why I
specifically asked the question with regard to "NON-racers" (emphasis not
added) in my original post.
 
So, would dripping detergent in front of the boat help?  Or would you
have to drip something other than detergent?  Or is this a rule that
no sane person would want to violate anyway?
 
I also asked about the effcets of waxing the bottom of the boat with bar
soap.  In addition to my previous question of whether this might improve
speed, I am curious how (if) the rules prohibit such a treatment (without
at the same time prohibiting stuff like anti-fouling paint, which I
understand is supposed to wear off and has an intended effect that also
results in reduced hull friction.)
 
Finally, my boat's hull is rougher in the middle than at the ends.  This
wasn't intentional.  But, it had had much rough use--including lots of
dragging it up onto beaches--when I bought it.  I have repaired and
repainted (and wet sanded) the front and back ends, putting off repairing
the middle section until I can figure out what to do about a crack where
the centerboard well joins the hull.  Looks like I should hurry up and
fix up the middle section before I consider any racing :-).
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<26280@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:27:16 GMT

In article <26280@oasys.dt.navy.mil> hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners) writes:

>I'm certainly no expert, but the boat's own speed creating increased
>relative wind is not one of them.  Such an effect will cause greater
>wind drag on the boat.  An rare exception to this may be in instances
>where an extremely flat sail may gain in overall performance with an
>increased relative wind.

Actually, this is exactly the case.  In very light air, it is
important to produce the maximum amount of power.  Even boats like
catamarans (which have poor reputations as pointers) generate maximum
speed upwind (close reaching) on very light wind days.  As the wind
becomes stronger, less and less need for apparent wind is required and
the fastest point of sail moves farther and farther off the wind.
Planing monos are the same.

Case in point: A Tasar (two place 15 foot high performance dinghy)
upwind in 1 knot of wind will travel at 2.5 knots (close reach).  At 8
knots the maximum speed is 10.4 knots on a beam reach and in 20 knots
of wind the maximum speed is 23 knots on a very broad reach.

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: topside leaks
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.211852.9910@mprgate.mpr.ca> kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell) writes:
>
>Are there good bedding sealants which are not affected by heat?
 
Try using the same stuff that's used for stove-pipes on houses. Really!
 
Commercial fishermen use roofing tar to pay the seams on their boats.
Works fine.
 
This is one case where a homeowner's product is also right for boats.
 
Perhaps, if you have a real chandler's nearby, you might be able to
obtain a bit of real Stockholm (pronounced Stock-hole-um) tar for the
purpose.

Greg
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Knot/Log Meters and Speed
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:55:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1bkf05INN5s@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>After all of these years, I have finally installed a "real" know/log meter
>on my boat.  Now I have a problem that I never anticipated; the meter seems
>to read faster on starboard tack than it does on port tack.
 
Doesn't surprise me, really.

>Anyone have any ideas on how I might compensate for this.  Seems like a know 
>difference can make a big difference in DR position over a several hour period.

Sure. Sail from a known position (like a buoy) to another known position, and
figure your distance made good (allowing for tide). Compare it with the log
reading. Do it going the other way. Voila. Except, of course that it will change
with every point of sail and angle of heel.
 
That's why "patent logs" which are streamed over the stern are used by so many
blue-water cruisers. They aren't fixed to the boat, and behave pretty much
the same regardless (of course, different sea conditions can have an affect,
face it, water is a fluid medium).

>Yes, I know that current differneces can (are, around here) much greater than
>that.  Still, I would like to be as accurate as possible.  The reason I went 
>with a knot/log meter this time is that I wanted to be more accurate than my old
>knot stick and judging the speed of the water going by the boat.

You may be expecting too much from that particular instrument. 

By the way, have you thought about checking the accuracy against the 
knot stick?

Greg
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Next BOC race
Summary: BOC in Charleston? It's true.
Keywords: at Charleston SC ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:10:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct7.203627.6816@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:
>
>
>I heard sometime ago that BOC will depart from Charleston SC
>instead of Newport, RI.  Is this turue? Why the change?

   Yes, it's true. The BOC challenge has evidently outgrown the space
at Newport and the town was unwilling to dedicate more resources to the
BOC committee. This is from memory, but I think I read that Charleston
is building a big new marina to house the event and will provide all
sorts of benefits to the sponsors.
   In the years since the 1983 America's Cup, the City of Newport has 
gone from a sailing town to a sailing/tourist town. I guess this is
just a part of that evolution. They can make more money for the town
by catering to tourists than by catering to round the world racers. Kind
of a pity, but I still love Newport just the same!

>When is the next BOC race scheduled?

   Got me. Sometime next fall I suppose, after the Globe Cahllenge finishes
and in time to put them into the Summer in the Southern Hemisphere, which
is where they will spend most of their time.

Wayne Simpson (no fancy .sig this time)

PS: I'm leaving for Annapolis tonight for the boat show. Anyone else?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Requirments when bareboating??
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:08:21 GMT



Hi,

The recent thread about good places to charter
boats has prompted a question in my mind.

What do bareboat charter organizations require
as qualifications to chartering a boat??  (Other
than a sufficiently large bank account. :-)

When you rent a car, you need a drivers license
must use a credit as payment, and typically have to be 
25 years of age.  

Any similar requirements when bareboating??


Thanks,
Keith
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Backing up
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:43:57 GMT

Apart from anything else, if you do have the rudder hard over, this may well
(it depends on the configuration of the stern of the boat) merely position the
rudder flat against the stern of the boat - ie: you no longer have an
effective rudder. It is often far better to put the rudder half over when
going astern than full over.

Another method of overcoming the torque of the prop when going astern is to
give the engine a good blast astern. When ythe boat is just starting to move
astern, put the throttle into the neutral position. You now have the momentum
of the boat to give steerage way astern, but you don't have the effect of the
prop because it's no longer rotating.

Such a manouvre, alternated with short sharp blasts of the engine going
forward is the best way to turn a boat around in its own length in a confined
space (remember to reverse the tiller after each backward or forward motion -
the tiller works the opposite way to normal when going astern...) . Make sure
you know whether the prop is left handed or right handed, so that you then
know which is the most 'efficient' way to turn the boat, clockwise or
anticlockwise.

Do not practice for the first time in a marina crowded with expensive boats on
a windy day...

Roger Hare.
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Next BOC race
Keywords: at Charleston SC ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:36:27 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service



I heard sometime ago that BOC will depart from Charleston SC
instead of Newport, RI.  Is this turue? Why the change?

When is the next BOC race scheduled?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Subject: Re: Foerster wins COC
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:30:58 GMT

Paul Foerster of FD fame has just won the Championship of Champions regatta
on Lake Geneva in MC Scows.  I think he said that Melges was 2nd and
the national MC champion was third.
From: zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Butane on Powerboats?
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:45:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: fozzie.9210140145.AA02466

On the question of butane vs propane.  Why is it that CNG has not caught on
with boaters?  My sailboat came with a CNG system and while it is
considerably more expensive (1 CNG bottle exchange is about $20 and is equiv
to about 4lbs of propane or about $2) it is lighter than air and burns just
as cleanly...


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Repair of Standard Comm. Depth Sounder and
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:44:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 13194@nas.nasa.gov, fallavol@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Michael A. Fallavollita) writes:
> Well we finally bought our first boat, but since it was out of the water
> when we bought it, I had no way of knowing that the Depth Sounder and
> Speed/Log didn't work.  Now I have the chore of trying to get these fixed
> since I can't really afford to spend $500 on instruments.  (Buying a boat
> on the income of 2 students doesn't leave much leeway.)
> 

Mike,

I am really surprised that both the Depth Sounder and the Speed/Log are not 
working.  These things just are not that failure prone that you should have
two out at the same time - although it could happen.  Before I did anything, 
I would check the power and ground connections, and all of the wiring (both
electrical and transducer).  Next, I would pull the transducers and have a 
good look at them.  If all that fails to fix the problem, I think sending
them back to the manufacturer is a good idea.  Sometimes they fix them for
free (good will), and in any case they have the correct parts and experience
to fix them quickly and properly.

Jeff Huntington




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