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From: an4179@anon.penet.fi
Subject: HWhat is Religious Propaganda
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:44:34 GMT

The recent vote is an excercise in futility.
Last months USENET stats show that the readership
of this group is 13,000 worldwide.  Only 33 people
an insignifican minority responded to the survey, indicating
that the survey was a non-issue to most of the readers of ack.

What consititutes religious propaganda?  While separatist
feeling based on religious is taking roots in Kerala,
(as indicated by previously posted articles), it is 
how is one to distinguish between religious propaganda
and awareness?

Thanks to 12977 people who did not respond to this survey


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: molly@uga.edu ()
Subject: Re: Recipe
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:40:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.143906.15788@engage.pko.dec.com> anandraj@tis.enet.dec.com (Geetha Anandraj) writes:
>
>Hello Shanty,
>
>I just want to let you know how much I enjoyed the fish recipe you had written
>last week.  I made the fish curry (with coconut) last week and it came out
>very good.  Although I have made couple of other kind of fish curries nothing
>was close to the one you gave the recipe for.  Keep up the good work.  Can
>you post some recipes for 'appam' and 'puttu'.  Appam comes out pretty good
>when I make it but not 'puttu' (we had appam for breakfast yesterday). One more
>request, I am from Mysore/Mangalore brought up in Madras.  I am not too 
>familiar with malayalam names (spices etc).  I'll appreciate if you can write 
>in English in parenthesis.
>
>Thanks again for the great recipes.
>
>Geetha  

Would do mind sharing that recipe?  I am very bad in making fish curry.
So, please e-mail or post it in the net.  Thanks

molly@rolf.stat.uga.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: kochumol@leland.Stanford.EDU (anna geevarghese)
Subject: Some Interesting Dishes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:41:07 GMT

For all the busy people of the community,
For those who enjoy a daily meal of rice and curry,
some easy, tasty,healthy dishes which does not need 
a lot of equipments to create(I mean no grinding, no powdering etc.)
and using the vegetables that you don't see back home,
but are tasty when given a kerala flavor.
My experiments are in the kitchen, 
I write my thesis with fire and drums,
they are judged by others taste buds.

Broccoli fried.

Ingredients :

1. 3 stems of Broccoli - split and chopped in 2 inches long pieces.
	(Pls don't use the hard stem )
2. One large onion - long thin slices.
3. Garlic - I use garlic paste.(Half teaspoon )
	You can use two pieces of garlic finely chopped.
4. Three to four green chillies split.
5. Black pepper powder - Half a teaspoon
6. Oil - 2 to 3 table spoons.
	( For healthy cooking use non-stick frying pan and less oil)
7. Salt - 1 teaspoon.

Note : For leafy vegetables use less salt, cause they are slightly
	salty.

Procedure :

Fry the Onions and chillies in the oil till it starts turning brown.
If you are using chopped garlic fry them along with onions; if you are
using garlic paste add it only when the onions are done.
(If you put the garlic paste in oil you can enjoy fireworks in the kitchen.)

Add the cut broccoli and salt and mix it with the fried onions etc...
keep the vessel open, occassionally stirring it, 
till there is no water in the whole dish.
You can sprinkle the pepper powder over it while it is getting cooked.
(The broccoli should cook in the water which is there in the vegetable.
If you keep the vessel closed it will over cook and will loose the color.)

( For live demonstrations either visit me or invite me.:-))
( I charge heavily for live demos :-))

Result :
1. you enjoy it, and bless my soul.
2. you suffer it, and curse me.

If anyone of you end up in an adverse effect pls inform the fire dept.
	-quoted by my dear indian friends at stanford.

Note : you can change the measurement of pepper to your taste.
	this is a mild version. :-) :-)

(My friends are planning to take  me for a chilipepper eating competition
sponsored by some restaurant at SF, to raise funds for the homeless.
They have full confidence in me !!!!!!!!!!)

Enjoy !!!!!!!!!

I shall provide you with others soon.
Too lazy to type now.

-Anna

Kochumol@cardinal.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: venu@transquest.oe.fau.edu (Venugopal Kootala)
Subject: Re: Malayali humour/comic strips.
Keywords: kerala,malayali,humour,comic strips
Organization: Advanced Marine Systems Group
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:18:00 GMT

I remember another comic strip which used to appear
frequently in the last page of `Mathrubhoomi' by A.S. 
I forgot its title.

When the Indira Vikas Pathra was introduced some years back
the major attraction about it was that the amount you deposit
gets doubled in five years. One A. S. character comments on this:

`Allenkilum ethu sathanathinte vilayaa anchu kollam kondu
irattiyavathe ?'


-Venugopal
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 05:19:21 PST
From: <RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: followup to article on yugas etc.

Subject: Re: The Hindu Digest

too long to include the original article. The only beef I have is the length of
 the yugas. I have it on good authority that the length is not quite right. The
 yugas, satya,treta,dwapara and kali are of lengths 4800,3600,2400 and 1200 yea
rs respectively. One mahayuga is a complete cycle of these ascending and descen
ding which works out to 24,000 years. Astronimacally this is the time period of
 the precession of the equinoxes ( the periodicity of the pole stars). quite re
markable. The error in reckoning began around 3100 b.c. when the  astrologers w
orried about the materialistic ages, dwapara and kali misconstrued  the length
a 1000 fold. This was the time the pandava brothers installed parikshit, arjuna
's grandson on the throne and went to the himalayas. after going through the de
scending dwapara and the two kali yugas we are now in the ascending dwapara yug
a. the ancients correctly described the state of man's knowledge in these yugas
. the dwapar is chracterised by a  knowledge of atomic and finer than atomic fo
rces!!! regards.....om...raja

Xref: sparky alt.culture.kerala:1197 soc.culture.indian:42976 soc.culture.tamil:4837
From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: ***Looking for Vinod Menon***
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:32:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Hi,

Iam looking for a Vinod Menon, Originally from Bombay and now Studying at the

University of South Carolina.

If any one happens to come across Vinod or If Vinod is reading this Please

contact me either at rajeshkr@usc.edu or at 213-737-2931

Peace

-rajesh

ps: Vinod did his B.tech in Bombay.
From: raj@bigbird.bu.edu (rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: two questions ?
Keywords: ayyapppan katha
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:18:28 GMT
Followup-To: <C0KBvu.IFM@cs.psu.edu>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

In article <C0KBvu.IFM@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.224949.23942@leland.Stanford.EDU> kochumol@leland.Stanford.EDU (anna geevarghese) writes:
>
>>1. Why is 'Sabarimala Ayappan' who is supposed to be
>>	Subramanian, son of lord Shiva, on a leopard 
>>	rather than on a peacock, which is supposed to
>>	be his mode of transportation ?
>>
>>(Pls correct me if I am wrong )
>
>Subramanian & Ayyappan are not the same. The former is a child of Shiva &
>Parvathi, while the latter was born to Shiva & Vishnu (who turned himself
>into a woman for the purpose...so the story goes). Also, Ayyappan rides
>a tiger & not a leopard. Apparently his mother on earth (Queen of Pandalam)
>was ill & only the milk from a tigress could cure her. And so her son
>fetched it for her after subjugating the tigers in the jungle.

	to add more detail to the story - ayyappan is found and adopted by the
local king (i forget his name or the queen's name). at some point the queen 
becomes jealous of ayyappan who is the crown prince (perhaps she had a son of
her own). she feigns a headache and claims that it would be cured only by 
the milk of a tigress on her forehead. so ayyappan is forced to go in search 
of tigress' milk. he goes in to the forest and indra, the god, appears. he
offers to become a tiger and his apsaras become tigresses. so ayyappan rides
back to the city on a tiger followed by a big crowd of tigresses. the queen's
headache vanishes after seeing the feline company heading for her quarters.
that is how ayyappan comes to ride a tiger.

	i forget the rest of the story. did ayyappan renounce the throne and go
to sabari mala or did he rule the land? somewhere in this time he also kills 
the asura who has obtained a boon that he can be killed only by the son of 
siva and vishnu (thus ayyappan gets the name dharma shastha). can somebody fill
in? also i would like to know in which part of the mythology/scripture/folk lore
ayyappan charitham appears.

	happy ack'ing.
	-raj
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Discussion on forming soc.culture.kerala, should we moderate ?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:57:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


1] Our gutless anonymous friend has in his/her/their fury also shown us
   the solution to the problem. Net stats he claims show that 
   we have a distribution of 13000. Which is pretty good for an
   alt group only in its 4th month and devoted to a specific
   part of the population.

   Lets discuss the formation of soc.culture.kerala.
   Feel free to discuss anything. 
  
2] I personallly feel two things must be part of the new charter
   which we will able to enforce, unlike the one for ack:

   i] No religious propaganda.
   ii] No anonymous postings.
   
   I would like to see a moderating mechanism which consists of a group
   thereby canceling out any single persons biases. The moderation 
   I think must be limited to keeping out postings likely to vitiate
   the newsgroup.
 
   Please discuss this issue on the net.
   Lets hear opinions. 

3] I do not want any part of this moderating mechanism, though I 
   am willing to take the vote and start the new group off, when 
   the time comes [Probably in two or three months].
   
   I am tired of fighting ack's wars.
   
   The only immediate concern I have about the junk postings is that
   the daily mail packet has reached almost 64 K, which is a heavy
   load on the system and makes it less useful to the person recieving it.

4] I believe I am right about how religious propaganda destroys a group.
   I am sure our friends who insist on posting despite the active
   majority will prove me right.
   
5] Taking a long needed break from preaching.
   Paul Chemmanoor. Good Luck.
   

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From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: keep up the good work
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:23 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <93007.085222LXV3@psuvm.psu.edu>, L. VISWANATH <LXV3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>Hello.
>I am from trivandrum (pattom) and had lived 22 years in tvm.

BOY! THAT IS SOMETHING!! I AM ALSO FROM TRIVANDRUM (PATTOM)!!!!!


>model school, arts college, university college, kariyavattom campus
>etc.  currently i am at penn state harrisburg, director of computer
>and information systems.  most of my friends are in india.  married,
>with two boys.  if anybody needs anything please ask.  is there somebody
>here (in US) that i do not know of?
>looking forward to have some ebb friends.
>viswanath

Cannot locate your email add. And so this posting! 

Thanks!!

Sincerely
Michael

mece21x@jetson.uh.edu
mece21x@menudo.uh.edu
mece21x@lisa.uh.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: kailas@jovial.cs.psu.edu (Kailasnath S Maneparambil)
Subject: Article about kerala in National Geo.
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:54:10 GMT


National Geographic had an interesting article about
Kerala in its May 1988 issue.
It also has some excellent photographs by Raghubir Singh.

kailas
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: SEASONS - Program of Indian Dances in MN
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: mn
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:00:50 GMT



		Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
		~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ 
			presents


		   " S E A S O N S "
		   * * * * * * * * *

		 The seasons of India
		  interpreted through
	       classical and folk dances

		       Performers :

	Rita Mitra Mustaphi and students (Kathak)
	Rani and Aparna Ramaswamy (Bharata Natyam)
	Sohini Ray (from New York, Manipuri)
	Gujarati Group (Gujarati Folk Dances)
	Ethnic Dance Theater of MN (Folk Dances)

	Mala Ganguly (from LA, Vocal)
	David Whetstone (Sitar)
	Prabhas Moghe (Sitar)
	Allalaghatta Pavan (Tabla)
	Suresh (from Cincinatti, Mridangam)

When  : Saturday, Jan. 16, 1993 (2:00 p.m and 7:30 p.m)
Where : St. Paul Student Center, 2017 Buford Ave., St. Paul, MN, 55108
Tickets : General Admission $ 9.00
	  Advance (before Jan 15), Students, Seniors and Members of Minnesota
	  Dance Alliance and India Club of India - $ 7.00
Info  : Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
	(612)894-8795
	(612)537-8291
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: gagaku@cats.ucsc.edu (Fredric Lieberman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: do-it-yourself throat-singing
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:16:16 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rufus.ucsc.edu
Summary: dangerous!


An anthropologist who studied throat singing in Mongolia just published
a review of a film by Hugo Zemp and Tran Quang Hai; she pointed out that
there are 7 different types of throat singing, and most require training from
a very early age, for extremely limited lengths of time each day; further,
some styles are so potentially damaging that they can cause rupturing
of blood vessels in the head and throat areas. She cautioned all do-it-
yourselfers to be very gentle, and if at all possible to work with a
Mongolian teacher. The full review is quite lengthy, but you can find it in
most univeristy libraries--the current issue of the Yearbook of Traditional
Music.  
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: rmwade@utkvx2.utk.edu (Robb Wade)                                 
Subject: Re: Tuvans on US TV / Additional Concerts
Summary: This is not really a followup.                                                                
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: world                                                          
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:28:00 GMT

In article <C0py83.Evu@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry-ool Yackoboski) writes...
>   (Lots of stuff deleted,'cause for some reason I can't post from here,
       only followup)
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     One likes to believe in the freedom of khoomei.
   Just wanted everyone to know how envious I was of all who were able to see
the Tuvans and everyone in Pasadena. Oh well, at least I'll see them in Ohio.
Anyone else on the net going to be there?  I'll even see what I can do to get
them to swing down to Knoxville, but their schedule looks pretty tight. 
P.S. I LOVED the Groeni/Zappa/Chieftains story. Robb the Tuvan Hillbilly

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry-ool Yackoboski)
Subject: Tuvan Introduction to America
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:00:18 GMT

This story properly belongs to Jeff Dickson, but since he'll probably
never get around to posting it, my version will have to suffice.  As an
introduction, JD is a Caltech grad student who in the past 2 weeks has
become one of Ralph Leighton's many right hands.  In the post-Xmas week
JD's help kept Ralph alive and in one piece (there were many helpers,
but this info helps the tale.... :-)

One night Jeff was using our rented van to ferry the Tuvans from the
Leighton residence to the Zorthian ranch, where they were staying.  In
his fractured French, Sayan asked JD where he could buy beer.  Sayan
was feeling wealthy because I had just given him a wad of dough in
exchange for some sculptures he had brought over to sell.  Of course,
in LA there's a liquor store on every corner, so Jeff pointed out the
window and said "Ici!".  The boys went in and blew a whole $6 on beer
and vodka, paying with a $20 bill.  Sayan turned and walked away before
the clerk could hand him his change, but Jeff grabbed it and explained
that Sayan should pay more attention.  Sayan's comment on the store?
"AMERICA!!!". :-) :-)


Of course, later that week we discovered the guys had a huge carboy
of wine someone had given them, and had pretty well polished it off.
Currently in Tuva there is a shortage of beer and vodka and it is
considered a treat.  Of the 4 men visiting, only one has been to
North America before (Kuular was here last summer) but the others
(Khovalig, Ondar, and Sayan) are experienced travellers as well.
Sayan's French is completely understandable, and all of the men can
now read English even if they don't understand 98% of it.  They proved
this by correctly pronouncing all of the words on the back of my shirt
(exclaiming when they reached ones they knew, such as Winnipeg and
khoomei - easy ones, admittedly).  They'll speak English before they
leave...
--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     One likes to believe in the freedom of khoomei.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: dickson@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Jeff Dickson)
Subject: Latest Tuva Concert Listing
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:39:56 GMT

Here is the latest list of concerts.  Note that there are changes from
previous postings.   It is highly recommended that you call in advance.



Jan 6           UCSB. Call (805) 893-8411.
Jan 9           3pm-6pm (on-going program)  Bowers Museum, Santa Ana
                Call (714) 567-3679.
Jan 10          Victory Park in Pasadena.  Call (818) 449-6987.
Jan 14          Seattle: U of Washington.  Call (206) 543-9681.
Jan 16          New York City: Washington Square Church,
                135 W 4th St, in Greenwich Village.
                Call (212) 545-7536.
Jan 17          New York City: Uris Auditorium, Met. Museum
                of Art, 5th Ave and 81st St.  Call (212) 545-7536.
Jan 19          Boston: MIT.  Call (617) 253-0621.
Jan 21          Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University.
                Call (203) 347-9411 ext. 2335.
Jan 22          Saratoga Springs, NY: Skidmore College.
                Call (518) 587-6103.
Jan 23          Cambridge, MA: Paine Hall, Harvard University.
                Call (617) 876-4275.
Jan 27-28       Hanover, New Hampshire: Dartmouth College.
                Call (603) 646-1393.
Jan 29          Amhearst College.  Call (603) 646-1393.
Jan 30          Ohio: Oberlin College
                Call (603) 646-1393
Feb 3           UC Santa Cruz. Call (408) 459-2857
Feb 6           1-4 pm.  Asian Art Museum, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco.
                Call (415) 668-8921.
Feb 9           Monterey Institute for International Studies
                Call (408) 647-4154.


For information on "The Friends of Tuva" send a SASE to
Friends of Tuva, Box 70021, Pasadena CA, 91117.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com (Larisa Stephan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: Free concert at Caltech
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:04:48 GMT
Reply-To: larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Aircraft ADS/EOS Electronics Lab

Thanks to Jeff Dickson's posting I was able to attend the free concert
last night at Caltech.

It featured demonstrations of several varieties of hoomei, two Tuvan
folk stories told in English, and a song performed by all three singers.
Ralph Leighton introduced each piece and told an anecdote about how the
Tuvans spent half a day chasing horses around a field in search of three
which would fit in the harnesses they had brought to use in the Rose
Parade.  I had actually been wondering whether they would bring horses
or rent them here.

Afterwards we had the opportunity to purchase numerous Tuva-related
items from the Friends of Tuva, which seemed to be staffed entirely by
Usenet posters.  Hmmmmm!  I got to meet Kerry Yackoboski finally (after
all his postings) and I think it was Jeff who sold me my souvenir Buddha
watch.  After I get some help from Mom I'll be able to explain exactly
what it commemorates; my memory of Cyrillic characters is so bad I can
only make out even the pronunciation of a couple of the words.

Well, I feel somewhat better now, especially after missing the Tuvans'
appearance in the Rose Parade.  I forgot to tape it and I'll bet money
this is the first year they didn't have any repeat showings on the 2nd
or 3rd . . . aaaargh.

Well, happy new year everyone and don't fall off your horses.

-- Larisa
larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com

Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry-ool Yackoboski)
Subject: Radio Free Tuva returns...
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:45:13 GMT

Ekii, everyone.  I've just returned to my home after visiting Los
Angeles and vicinity to take in the Tuva-Fest continuing across the
USA...how much of it do you want to read about?  As long as I'm
encouraged, I'll keep posting details of the Tuvans' visit and
performances.

But first, a word from our sponsor...Ralph Leighton asked me to post
that video cassette summaries of the Tuvan pilgrimage to the US will be
made available through Friends of Tuva at a later date.  These
cassettes will be made using footage shot by the ubiquitious Jeff Cook
of Washington, D.C., and the cassettes will also be sent to Tuva to be
aired on Tuva TV.  Jeff also made the 90 second Video News Release that
Ralph Leighton has been handing out to reporters and TV stations.

And yes, the entire trip was surreal - meeting people we've heard about
(Richard and Shannon Ball, friends of Tuvan Hillbilly Robb Wade), the
famous Larissa at tcville, Ralph himself, the artist friend of Richard
Feynman's named Jirayr Zorthian, and a cast of dozens of FoT's, as well
as.... well, we'll leave that for the next article. :-)
--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     One likes to believe in the freedom of khoomei.
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tuva
Subject: Re: Latest Tuva Concert Listing
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:03:07 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Edward Vielmetti (emv@msen.com) wrote:

: Sat Jan 30          Ohio: Oberlin College     Call (603) 646-1393
	8 pm (?), Warner recital hall / $3

Current plans have them flying Cleveland -> SF on Sunday pm.  

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB