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Subject: Re: Diablo...
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:31:56 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr8.ledang01@ledang.gunung> panglima@ledang.gunung (Panglima Potong Telor) writes:

>Well you should not be too surprise zam resort to such
>lowly phrases to get his point across. Seasoned s.c.a
>readers would have known his character.  There is no 
>point debating or reasoning with him.  As you all have 
>noticed lately he is very fond of #$%^^&.  Another point
>is he has in other discussion regarding the Malaysian
>racial problem a long long time back stated that he
>hate Chinese.  With that phrase, I don't think there is
>any point reasoning with him.  Well if the castration 
>law is pass, perhaps he should be the first to be tested
>on 8)

Panglima, tis a free world we live in today.  I don't care what sort of
person Zam is, neither am I interested in reasoning with him.  HOwever,
I will not let the likes of him say things that do not represent the
views of all Malaysians (such as the rain forest issue) and claim
it so.  I will not let him criticise my race just because he hates our
guts.  I will not let non-Malaysians think that all Malaysians hold
the extremist, racial and ignorant views he does.  So I will always
reply to posts which contradict what I THINK is right.

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From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:14:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
>controlled logging, and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
>why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion to make us
>accountable for what is essentially the developed nations' mistakes.
>Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
>the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
>to fight global warming.  Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
>foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
>the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
>turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
>propaganda of other governments.
>
>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>their propaganda or their pressures...
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud


	Here we go again.  What a psycho!

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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Daim ZAinuddin at Harvard??
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:50:55 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I read somewhere that Daim Zainuddin, former finance minister of malaysia is
currently at Harvard as a visiting professor.  Could somebody at Harvard make
sure that he's still there and if he is, could you get in touch with him 
and ask him to read s.c.a.  I think that would be a good idea since we would
have an official (sort of) representative of our g'ment.  It's about time
they learn about the wonders of electronic mail anyways.

Plus we could ask him about the alleged scandal that he's in!

Thank you,

EME.
Daim...Sagawa(?)...somehow this doesn't rhyme, or does it?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Subject: Re: singaporean's "we" dilemma
Keywords: we
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:33:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.201912.8247@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:

> you S'poreans out there :  ARE "WE" S'POREANS PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY, despite all
> its limitations and policies?  Let me be the first to answer that :"Yes"

Not wanting to sound like cliche, YOU CAN BET ROACH'S BORNY A*S on this, and
yes is the answer.

-Osbert (RAID)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To speak or not to speak (perfect BM).
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:39:37 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr12.171629.11833@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>>>"Cukai tersebut, in all likelyhood, ..." - perfect BM.  This I will remember 
>>>>for life.

>	Who cares whether you guys can write perfect BM or not.  It is
>not as if you communicate with your neighbors in writing. What I have
>been supporting all along is for the other races in Malaysia to
>concentrate on the speaking part of BM.  It is essential towards
>national integration.  

Hey, if you cannot even write proper BM, how can one expect you to
speak proper BM?  I rest my case.

>While we are at it, get rid of the national
>type schools 

No complains here, I did not come from a national type school
and I am one who thinks they should be "changed".  We don't
want to get rid of anymore schools in Malaysia, as it is, the
level of literacy (and intellect) in Malaysia is low enough.

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From: dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz)
Subject: What do Maylasians Think About American Tourists?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 07:29:27 GMT



To Maylasian and Indonesian folks:

How are Western (maybe American in particular) tourists
viewed by residents of your country?  Especially, what do
they think of "low" budget travelers who wander off the
usual tourist pathways?

In most non-tourist locations in America, one virtually NEVER sees
foreign travelers (the only non-residents passing through a typical
town are either visiting relatives or on business, and the vast
majority of these are American).  But, I think that if a darker-skinned
and darker-haired person who spoke 10 words of English wandered
into some random American town and walked the streets, went to a
movie theater, ate in a restaurant, etc., he/she would be viewed
quite askance, perhaps with a bit of suspicion.  This person
would probably be treated politely, but not warmly - Americans would
probably not open up to this person.  This person would be a
very rare event for the town, indeed.

So is the inverse situation the same?  Would the same thing happen to a
lighter-skinned, lighter-haired person who enters a "normal, average"
community in Indonesia or Maylasia?

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dualist@leland.stanford.edu
(415)854-7196
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: spelling and grammar
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:58:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hello again!  My friend sitting here with me really wants to know whether
people care about spelling, grammar, and punctuation and stuff(since
he saw I didn't even care to edit my messages...kevin you are a pain in...)
sdafvvmasg....opps.

I personally don't really care because I don't intend to spend much time
reread it and edit it and stuff.

who cares right?....well keviujigoj ab does

Well, sorry for the weird characters..that what happens when 20 fingures
on one keyboard.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 23:24:57 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Proposed Islamic Laws in Kelantan

In article <920407215212.21a080ef@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU>, AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN,
PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR) says:
>
>Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
>expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???
>
>Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??
>
>I vote for both.

does anybody out there have any solid facts about what the actual proposal
that is being made. is it 100% islamic law or just implementation of islamic
law into the existing system. lets get the story straight before shooting off
on this punishment business. it saddens me to see that whenever the topic of
islamic law is discussed, most of the attention goes to punishment. there are
several other sides to islamic law that needs to be explained such as islamic
economics, welfare and education system.

i for one am not an expert in islamic law but i do believe that islam preaches
prevention before punishment.

-firdaus azharuddin-
 castration??? eee.. next please.
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Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:38:18 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This statement came from a person who claim he is "open minded".

>Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
>controlled logging, 

What controlled logging.  All the PM said that there is controlled logging.
Controlled to what extent.  Would you define destroying out rain forrest 
at a rate unequalled anywhere else in the world controlled logging?
Me thinks not.

>and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
>why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion 

Blown out of proportion?  Is criticising the fastest rate of logging
in the world a "blown out of proportion" thing to do?

>Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
>foreign governments make me sick!!  

If you feel sick, there are one of three thing you can do:

a) Turn the damn screen off NOW.

b) Go lie down and call for a doctor.

c) Die.

You are the one who is ignorant and gullible.  You seem to think everything
our PM says is gospel.  Me thinks a politician is a politician is a
politician...they will use every means at their disposal to remain
in power.

>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>their propaganda or their pressures...

FYI, before Mahathir was the PM he said, "At the rate we log in Malaysia, 
we would lose our forests by 1995.", said obviously in opposition to 
logging in Malaysia.  See who is saying we should continue logging now.

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From: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Reply-To: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 17:36:58 GMT


In a previous article, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:

>
>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
>the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
>turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
>propaganda of other governments.
>
>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>their propaganda or their pressures...



AHHHHHH...now that the Holy Bulan Rammadan is over we see the tough
guys come out to play, eh??? I sincerely hope that your children
will not turn out to be like you...hiding behind the cloud of the Islamic
religion...Bahh!!! :)


>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
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From: algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng)
Subject: On Preferential Treatment for Malays 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:48:39 GMT

	I am not a Malay, nor am I a Malaysian. I would like to comment on
preferential treatment in general. 
	Firstly, let me say that I agree that within a given country, it is a
worthy goal to try and reduce economic and social inequity across the whole
populace. However, I do not think that it wise to do so along racial lines. To
give preferential treatment to a person based on his race is I think an insult
that cannot be justified. It is like certifying a person weak just because he or
she comes from a certain race, and who can prove that the abilities of a
person are dependent on his or her race? The ugly meaning implied in racial
preferential treatment should not be ignored.
	I think that preferential treatment should be given, but only along
lines of economic well-being. With regard to the Malaysian case, some of you
may well wonder whether preferential treatment along racial and along economic
lines effectively differ, given that in Malaysia Malays in general have
lagged behind the Chinese in terms of economic well-being. But the inherent
difference lies in the fact that by giving racial preference it is implied that
a Malaysian is not economically capable if he or she is a Malay, whereas in the
latter it is correctly said that a poor person is not economically capable. I
personally think that the latter statement makes more sense. 
	I am sure that in Malaysia there exist poor Chinese and rich Malays.
A preference scheme based on race can conceivably hurt the former and unjustly
benefit the latter. A preference scheme based on economic need is more just
because poor Malays, Chinese and Indians alike can benefit from it. It is clear
which scheme is fairer and more effective in removing economic inequity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and the malays
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:02:10 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr11.190747.6881@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:

>	The Forestry Institute of Malaysia does indeed have a law that
>	requires replanting. There is a specific quota of the area to
>	be logged and the logger must initiate replanting to repair the
>	damage that he has done.

One alternative to replanting is to farm forests.  Fast growing 
trees can be planted on logged lands.  These trees are looked 
after by the farmer.  When they are mature, the trees are then
logged.  I see this a better alternative to the logging of 
natural forests.

Given that the time frame at which one would expect returns from 
a forest farm (about  50 years), the govt. should invest in this 
field and perhaps, tender the trees away when they are matured.
This method has been successfully tried in New Zealand.  Given
the fact that the stupid settlers destroyed over 80% of the 
natural bush, Malaysia would not be in a too different position
in the next few years time.  It is time we looked into the future 
and find renewable ways to harvest our land.

>>>>d) It contasins *A LOT* of species which may be of use to mankind
>>>	
>>>	I don't see any reason for saving the animal species if it
>>>means restricting the country of its possible income...
>>
>
>	This is one bloke who'll rather see pictures of animals in the
>	book rather than watching them alive in their natural habitat
>	or at the zoo.

There is one more reason to keep our flora and fauna.  Tourism.
Many countries (such as Zimbabwee, sp?) balance their economic
needs to use the land against the need to conserve by way of
revenue from tourism.  There is a big tourist market in countries
which do not have much natural forest left.  This is a market
I would rather like Malaysia to appleal to rather than the 
furniture factories of the likes of Japan.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.202241.24122@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>1) An unfaithful little bastard whose allegiance is with the PRC.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
When is this guy gonna stop.............

>
>2) A guy who can't speak BM without that stooopid Chinese accent.	

Now he's got a thing against chinese accent....talk about widening of a
person's perspective. Does it mean that you cannot speak/write English unless
you have the proper accent? Boy you are really narrow minded.
Get a life! 

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: SGP: tansm@moe.gov.sg's problem
Organization: CSA Research, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:28:33 GMT

tansm@moe.gov.sg writes -
>Chee Keong Ng writes:
>> A graduate of National University of Singapore, 1986

>That makes you a very rich man or else your mum or dad must be very rich.
>Else how on earth can you be studying in the US when you are suppose to
>server your 3 years bond in Singapore?  Am I missing something here. 
>If my assumption is correct, you must have put up close to S$200K to have
>your bond defered.  You must be a rich guy then and should I then 
>conclude that your IQ wasn't that high either? 

It is unbelieveable what this bloke is saying.  Obviously tansm@moe.gov.sg
has a problem with people who can afford to tie up money in a bond.  What's
so wrong about that?  They are playing by the rules, however silly it may be.
What has that got to do with a person's IQ?

This chap goes on to say:

>Just a thought and we remember you.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=== who is this "we"?  This is precisely
the type of condescending attitude that the local govt has.  Sounds like this
chap also works for the ISD which is located across the street from MOE.

>Have you fill up your PIPS form yet?

This bloke is arrogant and worse yet has bad English especially for someone
who posts from the Min of Education (ha! Ever wondered why we have the
Singlish "problem"? :-)).

Enjoy.

--
Harish Pillay             harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore               "Psst!  Wanna buy some gum?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.031212.4684@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>>...                                                         ^^^^^^^
>>
>>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?
>
>While you criticise other people for making a racist remark, it is
>alright for you to broadcast yours, isn't it?

	A Flame uses to defend oneself against other's personal attack
is a justifiable course of action, as far as I am concerned.  I do not
flames without any provocation -- that has been my motto all these
times.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193202.21518@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	Homosexuality is considered immoral in Islam.  You, as an
>atheist, will have no difficulty bending over and getting your behind
>rammed by someone else.  Tell me, do you use lubricant for your above
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>action?

if homosexuality is considered immoral un Islam, then does talking about it so
explicitly (not to mention, vulgar) by a muslim considered moral? 

>Eat shit you self-appointed wannabe know-nothing ass-licking
>dick-breath  cocksucking net-cop motherfucker...
>
>p/s: Sorry for those who are offended by some statements in this
>article.  The posting by the anonymous person above is invariably
>bellicose, hate-spreading, and above all, blatantly false. 

ya, more vulgarity. good job again, i'm sure everyone on this network can count
on you for such nasty and offensive remarks, don't you think so? 
Sorry? sheesh....i wonder. hate-spreading? you're not referring to yourself, 
are you? i mean with your strong resentment against the Chinese, Whites etc

Oh incidently,
you have not answered my question in an earlier post:

* what is the punishment under the Holy Kuran for using expletives? 


>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 


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