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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Strange problems...
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:54:45 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul26.181855.14036@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> jwty@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Okay, here's one for the wizards:
>
>  May be one problem, might be several.  Icons stay grayed after apps
>are shut down.

This seems to be related to seamless Windows operation.  When I first
installed OS/2, it'd happen occasionally - but only Windows apps.
When I installed a hi-res display driver (and couldn't use seamless
Windows anymore) the problem disappeared.  With the VGA driver, I
never had a full-screen Windows app remain grayed.

>Shredding a folder on the desktop causes an error that requires the
>WPS to close down and restart.

I've noticed this, too.  It appears to be linked (somehow) to
confirmation.  If you leave "confirm on folder delete" on, and answer
the "are you sure" question each time, the problem doesn't happen.  

As it is, I rarely use the WPS for deleting stuff.  I much prefer to
drop to an OS/2 window and type "rm -r <dirname>".  It works a bit
faster, too.  The WPS windows update themselves in a few seconds, so
you don't lose anything by doing it this way.

>And (like some other unlucky users) the Shutdown procedure... doesn't.

The shutdown procedure nicely asks all processes to stop themselves,
and it waits for them to respond before forcing the system down.
(This is when DOS and OS/2 sessions ask "are you sure" and PM apps may
(or may not) ask you to save your work).  If an app refuses to
respond, the shutdown process may wait until the app responds or is
terminated.  Once this happens, shutdown proceeds.
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From: kskapin@csws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Keith T Skapinski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2
Keywords: Help
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:35:50 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Jul24.000037.4987@ccu.umanitoba.ca> uujanze@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rob Janzen) writes:
>
>While I seemed to be lucky in that my installation went smoothly, I am
>having some problems with running my BBS from a DOS window.
>
>I have my USR Sportster 2400 set on COM4 (I don't have COM3 enabled), with
>my mouse on COM1, and nothing on COM2.
>
>Any suggestions?

Yes, read the FAQ. You can't have "wholes" in your COM ports. You cannot
use COM unless you have COM1-COM3 installed.
If you don't have anything on COM2, just put your modem on COM2.

>
>And, if anyone has suggestions on either shareware or commercial OS/2 BBS's 
>that I should look at, drop me a line...
>
>Thanks...
>
>Rob       

I'm running a BBS under OS/2 called Maximus. It's pretty good.
I love the fact that I can be running a BBS and playing a game and formatting
a disk and picking my ass all at the same time. OS/2 is great for that.


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From: erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin Erzberger)
Subject: Re: Lost Extended Attributes.
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:13:23 GMT

> It fragments
> because of constant access and updating.  You need not defragment it,
> however, because it is seldom accessed sequentially.  HPFS keeps
> extended attributes in blocks with the file itself and, hence, does
> not require this file.
Nah, it fragments because the EA's are stored near the file to which they belong. They are
linked via directory entries of the files (using some of the reserved attribute bits or so).
The "file" EA DATA. SF is merely a directory entry (together with the FAT entries) to keep
the places where the EA's are stored reserved, for all systems which know nothing about EA's
(means, they cannot interpret the linking bits). This way the EA's will not be overwritten,
because eg. DOS thinks, there is a "file". OS2/ never uses EA DATA. SF to access the
extended attributes, as said, it uses the linking bits.
Now if you defragment EA DATA. SF, the pointers in the directory don't point to the right
place anymore. CHKDSK get's hold of this, because it compares the place EA DATA. SF claims
with the places the pointers point to. A OS/2 FAT defragmenter would place the EA's probably
at the beginning of the corresponding file, and update the pointers AND EA DATA. SF, so
the link will not be lost. Of course, this will leave EA DATA. SF fragmented, for
performance reasons.
Regards, Martin
From: andrew@qcc-hal.UUCP (Andrew R. Kostiuk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Keyboard vanishing
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:39:13 GMT
Organization: QCC Communications Corp, Saskatoon SK Canada

richc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Rich Cherry) writes:

>Sometimes my keyboard just stops working.  My mouse does work but not
>my keyboard.  Does anyone know of a patch or solution to this problem.  To
>fix it I have to turn off the computer and reboot.  I have a 386 33 mhz with
>ami bios and 4 megs of memory. (I Know not enought but I first want to get a
>laser printer and then the memory).  It happens with different applications so
>it is not the application that is causing it. I do know that if I run a texteditor
>I have and hit caps lock it happens every time.

>Thank in advance
>Rich

The same thing happens to me whenever I run a Window's application in OS/2.
The keyboard "vanishes" and will not respond in a DOS or OS/2 window.  If I
happen to go into a full screen DOS session, the only resort is the reset
button (Ctrl-Alt-Del does not even work).  Is this a well known problem?
Thanks in advance.

Andrew Kostiuk
QCC Communications Corp.
From: frigo@psl.wisc.edu (Sean P. Frigo UW-SRC (608)873-6651)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Zoom Modem & COM3 blues
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:12:02 GMT
Reply-To: frigo@psl.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Physical Science Lab

I cannot get my Zoom v.32 internal modem to work as COM3.  I specified

E:\OS2\COM.SYS (3,3E8,5)
E:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS (3,3E8,5)

in the CONFIG.SYS file.  The card manual says the address range for COM3
is 3E8-3EF.

(1)	Do I need to specify COM4 as well?
(2)	Has anyone successfully used an internal modem on an AT clone 
	designating it as COM3?

Any help would be appreciated.

Sean Frigo
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jemenake@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Emenaker)
Subject: Re: Couldn't stick it out...
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:55:10 GMT

roger@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>>       For all it's "32 bit advanced coding", just about everything I do is 
>> slower than the equivalent operation in Windows.  Booting, starting Apps (including native OS/2 apps), moving windows, opening drives and directories, 
>> shutting down; all of these tasks are quite noticably slower in 2.0 than in
>> Windows.  Why? I don't know.

IBM recently responded to a Microshaft ad that said that Windows was faster
than OS/2 in running Windows apps. The IBM doc said that this is true WHEN
you're doing one thing at a time.

For example, when they tried to load MS-Word for Win, it took 7 secs under
Windows 3.1 and 9 seconds under OS/2. Then, they tried running XCOPY in a
DOS window and doing it again. The OS/2 time jumped 67% to 15 seconds.
Windows' time jumped over 500% to 44 seconds.

When hearing discussions on OS/2, I've always gotten the impression that
OS/2's strong points do not include speed at doing one thing at a time. Its
strong points have always been touted as stabitlity and superior
multitasking.

I'll say it right here: If you don't want your computer to multi-task,
don't run OS/2 because you stuff WILL be slower if you only do things one
at a time.

>	Just to say that I agree with the tone of your posting. The software 
>is not yet in a form fit to be released to the general public. Too many
>strange things happen. Too many crashes. And, as you point out, too slow 
>(on a 486/33, 8Mb, 200 HD). 

As far as your comment that it's not ready for public release:
"There comes a time in every project when you just have to shoot the engineer
and start production". I mean, they could have spent eternity tracking down
every little glitch, but it would have take forever. IBM already has a
center somewhere where they test OS/2 on all sorts of clones. I think their
testing system is already fairly formidable. I'm not saying that the things
you mention aren't valid. I'm just saying that they're to be expected on
the first release of a drastically changed operating system. An OPERATING
SYSTEM... this isn't a print spooler or a ram-disk that they wrote... this
is a real multitasking operating system. It's gonna have some tradeoffs and
it's gonna have some cracks in its armor. Give it time. I expect the Fall
update is going to make it noticable faster, prettier, and more stable.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dkrastes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (David Krastes)
Subject: Re: Stubborn "double" Desktop problem
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:36:37 GMT

ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>but what could be causing my system to boot up with a blank screen,
>inform me that the "DESKTOP IS NOT RESPONDING," allow me to close it,
>and then give me the real thing, which works perfectly?  This only began
>a few days ago, and for no apparant reason I can think of... ?
>-- 
I have been having the same problem and spoke to a IBM person at a OS2
symposoum that they had reciently and he told me that it might be a corrupted
ini file and told to how to rebuild it and it tried that. It seemed to be fixed
at first but then it came back.

-- 
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						dkrastes@pms001.pms.ford.com
"I seem to be having tremendous problems with my life style"
		Arthor Dent
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: uujanze@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rob Janzen)
Subject: OS/2 
Summary: Os 2 is here, and I have problems
Keywords: Help
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:00:37 GMT

Well, I got my copy of OS/2 (and there was much rejoicing).

While I seemed to be lucky in that my installation went smoothly, I am
having some problems with running my BBS from a DOS window.

I have my USR Sportster 2400 set on COM4 (I don't have COM3 enabled), with
my mouse on COM1, and nothing on COM2.

Now, before I read the FAQ, I tried running the board, and everything worked
fine for the first caller. Then, sometime between when he hung up and the 
next caller (I didn't see the situation happen) the window locked. Unfortunately
the person who restarted the computer did not write the error message down, so
I don't have the error message... 

Then, after reading the FAQ, I tried inserting the parameters to have com4 
work proper and then, when I tried to run anything from DOS or Windows, I 
got a message on the lines of "Not a valid dos or os/2 program, or maybe
not enough memory", although my os/2 programs still worked. (Or at least I was
able to open an os/2 window and do a boot /dos...) Later, when I removed my
change to the config.sys for os/2, the dos and windows programs worked again.

Any suggestions?

Now, the BBS I am trying to run is a Searchlight BBS, on a machine with 4 Megs
of ram (soon being upgraded to 16) on a 486/33. If anyone has any suggestions
on how to get the board to run, I would be most greatful.

And, if anyone has suggestions on either shareware or commercial OS/2 BBS's 
that I should look at, drop me a line...

Thanks...

Rob
From: frigo@psl.wisc.edu (Sean P. Frigo UW-SRC (608)873-6651)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: BIOS change OK?
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:16:39 GMT
Reply-To: frigo@psl.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Physical Science Lab

Should there be any problems in the os/2 configuration if one were to
upgrade the BIOS chips?  I was entertaining the stunt in a last ditch
effort to salvage a HDD.

Sean Frigo

Watch for the Murphy Brown "rebuttal episode" coming this fall.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Subject: Re: Couple of OS/2 problems...
Reply-To: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Organization: New Mexico State University - Electromagnetics Group
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:17:24 GMT


In an article jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.063753.2983@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith) writes:
>>>getting the msd.exe utility from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  It's the
>	      =======
>
>>>Microsoft OS/2 Diagnostic program.  Be sure to run it full screen
>>>(it's a true OS/2 program).  It's the only hardware analyzer that 
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>Oops.  It's a DOS program.  It runs so well I thought it was an
>>OS/2 program. :-)
>
>It didn't want to run from the HPFS partition on my machine although no
>problem when running under MS DOS booted from the FAT partition.  Any 
>comments?

I have run MSD succesfully on both HPFS and FAT file systems under OS/2. Did
you set the DOS session you tried to run MSD in that it was to report to
MSD.EXE that it was version 4.01 of DOS? 
	Go to the icon for the full screen DOS session in which you run MSD
and open up it's settings notebook (click the second or middle mouse over the
DOS full screen icon, click on the arrow to the right of "Open" in the menu
and then choose "Settings"), go to the "Session" page and click on the "DOS
Settings" button. Next choose the "DOS_VERSION" setting and at the end of
the list type the following line:
		MSD.EXE,4,01,255

This means that OS/2 DOS emulation is to report to MSD.EXE that it is running
under DOS 4.01 and that OS/2 is to tell it this up to 255 times. Now click on
the "Save" button in the bottom left and close the notebook. Start your
DOS full screen session and see if MSD will run now. It has for me everytime!

Gary Hennigan
(ghenniga@NMSU.Edu)
From: knex.Gwinnett.COM!gess@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Charge for upgrade to OS/2 3.0???
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:38:00 GMT
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith) writes:

> gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar) writes:
> 
> >I am ready to run screaming from the room right now...
> [tale of bad telephone support and slow shipping]
> 
> Ahh, you had it EASY.
> 
> I've been trying for 3 1/2 months now to get my free upgrade.
> Screw-up after screw-up after screw-up!  AAAARRGH.  I could
> easily type a 10 page horror story, but I've already posted
> a multi-page grievance a while back.
> 
> Steve Smith

A follow-up to the screamin' 'n hollerin' story.

Today I got the EE upgrade tonnage via Airborne Express!

Today I got a call from a nice young lady from IBM Boca, enquiring about
  the upgrade details, problems and offering help. (Too bad the upgrade
  got to me an hour before the call!)

Today I received an email message via Internet from an IBMer (Internet
  relay point to the Upgrade bureaucrats) - again asking for the gory
  details.

Has IBM got problems dealing with the public? Hell, yes. Is IBM trying
honestly to fix the problems? I think so. The wheels seem to turn ever so
slowly, but, hey, they're turning. And hey, they are _BIG_ wheels. inertia
and all that.

One nightmare ends. Now on to the others...;-)

GeSS
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brad Porter)
Subject: IBM tech support number needed
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:55:12 GMT

Could someone please post/mail me the number for the IBM technical
support for OS/2?

Thanks in advance

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From: kskapin@csws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Keith T Skapinski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.1 for Windows problem
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:31:03 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <2178406@overmind.citadel> concour.cs.concordi!patrice@overmind.mind.org writes:
>
>
>I am getting the following error message:
>
>
> WPWINFIL has caused an error in
> WIN-OS/2*
> GP fault in module WPWINFIL.EXE
> AT: 0001:0031
>
>
>
>when booted in DOS5 with WIN 3.1 it still works so nothing is damaged in 
>WPWIN.EXE. The machine is a 486DX/33 with AUSTEK chipset AMI BIOS. 8Mb ram
>with standard video drivers. 
>
>
>After I press OK to clear the message the CPU goes to 100% forever. The only 
>way to get back to zero is to open another windows application and then
>kill the winos2 that runs the windows environment. 
>
>
>Any help  would be appreciated. 
>
>Thanks
>--
>Patrice Scattolin
>     patrice@cs.concordia.ca
>Concordia University   Montreal, Canada
>"I am so far north that Santa lives two blocks from me"


There is a fix for Word Perfect for Windows which comes with OS/2.
Look in the directory \OS2\MDOS\WINOS2 for a file called FIXWP.EXE.
This will fix the problem. It will also continue to work under Windows.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Shutdown.exe has curious results!
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:18:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Recently, a program was posted to comp.binaries.os2 to shut down OS/2
from the command line.  The program installs an icon which, when
double-clicked, will shutdown the system.  It does.  Unfortunately,
when you reboot the next time, this program auto-starts, and your
systm shuts down soon afterwards.

I had to boot a floppy and delete the program from my system in order
to get back to the desktop.

You MUST turn off application autostart to use this program.

Just a friendly word of caution.



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From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Extended Services/Edition
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:08:53 GMT
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

darnold@felix.filenet.com (Dave Arnold) writes:

> 
> My question is this:  Does ES V2.0 contain the base OS/2 2.0?  In other
> words, did I need to order OS/2 2.0 ($49)?  I asked 1-800-IBM, and they
> didn't know.
> 
> 
Yes, it contains the upgrade version of OS/2 2.0.

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From: uujanze@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rob Janzen)
Subject: OS/2 Problems
Summary: After various things, I can't use a DOS window!
Keywords: Help
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:09:57 GMT

Well, in an effort to try to get everything working correctly on my copy
of OS/2, I applied 3 patches today, os2krnl, os2ldr, and replacing comm.sys and 
vcomm.sys. 

After doing so, and rebooting my system everything seemed to be working, until
I tried to start a DOS window. It responded with SYS3176 error, and booted me 
back to the PM.

I then replaced the original copy of os2ldr, and tried again.

Same thing.

Then I tried restoring the original of os2krnl, and the same thing happened.

Now, I haven't restored the comm and vcomm, but I can't see that being the 
problem... I will try that next, but I thought I would check if anyone had
an idea of what could be causing this problem.

Thanks

Rob Janzen (uujanze@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
From: soyring@VNET.IBM.COM ("John A. Soyring")
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Gordon Letwin
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:46:13 GMT

Dear Mr. Letwin:

The attached note was appended to comp.os.os2.misc identifying you as the
author. Since the attached note states that either you, or one of your bosses,
received "threatening letters" from IBM lawyers, I wanted to be sure that
we investigated this matter.

IBM's lawyers have searched our files and they have found no letters sent
to you -- on any subject. To the best of their recollections, they recall
sending no such letters to you.

Would you please send to me copies of the letters you reported. Or please
send to me the name of the attorney who signed the letter and the date
of the letter. I will be happy to have this followed up for you since
you were expecting a reply.

Sincerely,



John A. Soyring
Director, IBM Software Development Programs
IBM Corporation
11400 Burnet Road
Austin, TX 78758
soyring@vnet.ibm.com

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Subject: Re: Paid Microsoft employees
From: gordonl@microsoft.com (Gordon Letwin)
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:31:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
<1992Jul15.061138.1074@midway.uchicago.edu>


To make things perfectly clear, I don't give a hoot about such "ravings"
and "unmittigated bull", myself.  However, two different IBM lawyers sent
me threatening letters trying to force me off of the net.  This was in
response to my posting about the amount of assembly language in the product.

Note that the civilized way, if you're unhappy with someone's posts, is
to complain to them and ask them to moderate their behavior.  You then
fall back on the legal threats if and only if:

	1) your complaint is valid and your threats are real, and
	2) you've exhausted less drastic means

IBM went directly to the serious legal threats, written to folks who
they assumed were my bosses, hoping to get me fired.  More, they had
no basis for the complaints; their arguments were unmitigated bullshit.

So I sent them a little reply about IBM's postings on the net.  The
above examples are excerpted from page after page of stuff that I sent back.
I said that I had been laughing off the personal attacks by IBM, but
since IBM was talking major damage suits as an appropriate response to
postings then it seemed like a good idea to me...

I never heard back from the IBM lawyer, but I have noticed a quieting
of IBM postings.  Perhaps there's a correlation.

By the way; this has nothing to do with Larry Solomon's departure from IBM.

	gordon letwin
	not a spokesperson for microsoft