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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: Nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (Gregory Stewart-Nicholls)
Reply-To: Nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk
Subject: Thanx Rene
X-Mailer: ReaderS for the Acorn Archimedes
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:49:32 +0000

 Sorry to waste everyone's time, but I can't seem to get email through
to Rene (rzv30@amail.amdahl.com). just wanted to say thanx for the doco
you sent.
        
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 G Nicholls.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: dhingra@wsl.dec.com (Satyendra Dhingra)
Subject: problem with winfax
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:31:23 GMT



I have a problem using WINFAX/PRO with my FAX modem, I am
inclined to beleive that the problem is with the fax board.
But just to confirm, I would like to ask if anyone else has
seen this problem and knows how to fix it.

The configuration

   468/25 PC Clone
   9600/2400 Zoltrix fax card
      fax card is configured on COM3

   Other side of commchannel is a Brother/380 FAX
   machine.


The problem is that when I try to send a FAX transmission
through WINFAX/PRO, everything goes ok for a while, the 
number on the other side rings, transmission starts and then
very shortly thereafter, the connection is broken. 

WINFAX/PRO popup prints 33% (or 66%) complete, it does not
detect the hang up and merrily goes on trying to send the FAX,
however, at this time the progress as reported by WINFAX 
popup becomes excruciatingly slow (understandable, since there
is no connection, but why does the program not detect the
hangup - typical PC software quality I guess). 

I might add that I took care of all the special installation
steps needed for talking to FAX hardware configured on COM3
port. I also increased the time to detect carrier to 90 secs(at7=90).

It has been impossible to get support from Delrina Tech, so
I hope someone here knows the answer.

thanks in adv for any help,
satyendra

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: gandalf@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Juergen Wagner)
Subject: Recommendations sought (digital fax)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:49:42 GMT

I am looking for a fax machine that can be reliably hooked up to a
SPARCstation. If possible, the machine should be capable of digital
fax transmission (over an ISDN line), but that's not absolutely
necessary.

I do have information on two products but that can't be representative
for the market. Please send your messages by e-mail. I'll summarize
the responses in a week or two on this group.

Thanks for your help,
--Juergen Wagner				J_Wagner@iao.fhg.de
						gandalf@csli.stanford.edu
From: zarko@Apple.COM (Zarko Draganic)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Fax Protocol Validation
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:32:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Hi-
I'm in the final stages of writing a full fax driver (T.30, T.4) on
top of Class 1 modems and I'm looking for ways to test it with all
the different types of fax machines/chipsets in order to get the subtle
bugs out & make sure I'm compatible. Anyone know of the best way to do this?
There must be over 300 manufacturers of machines, but only a handful of
unique chipsets. Where does one begin??

Also - does anyone know where to get a comprehensive list of NSF codes?
It seems like every machine I call has different NSFs. It would be helpful
to identify the make/model of each machine when called for testing. 

thanks alot! -- zarko@apple.com
EOM and EOP!
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From: alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: Supra Fax & DosFax
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:29:24 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.fax
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

>Great. Could you tell me the phone number to Delrina's BBS?

It's not printed in any of the manuals...  try calling Delrina (preferably
on a non-tech support number if you have any ambition of getting through)
and asking them.  Although I had it at one time, I seem to have wiped out
the Procomm Plus directory which contained it.  SORRY!

(If someone tells me the appropriate place to upload the zip of the patch,
I'll be happy to place it somewhere accessible to all - the people at
Delrina told me that it is open for public distribution since you still
need a working copy in order to benefit from the patches!!)

-- 
Alan M. Gallatin <alan@acpub.duke.edu>
Duke University School of Law; Durham NC
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: rick@digibd.com (Rick Richardson)
Subject: Re: Winfax bugs - what to replace it with
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 08:13:25 GMT

jpp@StarConn.com (John Pettitt) writes:

>Winfax seems to have a protocol bug when talking to some brands of fax
>machine that causes transmission to stop after the header page.    This
>is destination dependent (i.e. all faxes to the offending destination
>fail and the failing faxes can be sent to other destinations with no
>problem).   As has been noted before tech support for WinFax is
>non-existant so I am looking for suggestions for a good fax package to
>replace it with.  Hardware is a Dell 3/20 notebook with a Dell fax
>modem, running dos 5 & windows 3.1.

I'm not famililar with the Dell fax modem, and I've only toyed with
DOS fax packages (or DOS itself for that matter), but if the Dell
fax modem is an ersatz Class 2 type of modem, the problem is more
likely with the modem itself, rather than WinFax.

Ersatz class 2 modems implement the T.30 protocol for the application
program.  In general, this means that the application is blissfully
unaware of the specifics of T.30 protocol.  If the application can
send two pages successfully to one fax machine, in theory it ought
to work with any machine.  The only real areas where this might
not be true is that the application *may* have to be prepared to
change a 200dpi vertical image to 100dpi if the modem doesn't
handle format conversions.  But since you get the first page thru,
it's likely that this isn't the problem.

I have written the T.30 code for our DigiFAX fax board, and I can
tell you that T.30 is not as easy to implement as one would think.
Everybody gets it wrong.  The spec is very poor, and there are
lots of fax machines that have been sold that violate it.  Unfortunately,
these machines create a defacto standard.  Each implementor of T.30
must discover these problem machines, and figure out what is needed
in order to make their implementation of T.30 work with these
machines.

This is one reason I would never use or recommend a Class 1 fax
modem.  Those modems make the application programmer do the
T.30 protocol.  The application programmer is forced into
re-inventing the T.30 wheel.  It could take months before
this poor fellow runs into every quirky fax machine and puts
in enough workarounds to make his T.30 play to the world.

I guess my advice would be to try a different brand of modem with
WinFax, before giving up on it.

-- 
Rick Richardson		Email: rick@digibd.com	This space intentionally
Senior Staff Engineer	Fax:   (612) 943-0803	blank until 1996 elections.
DigiBoard, Inc.		Tel:   (612) 943-5383
Eden Prairie, MN	Radio: N0NMY
From: dblas@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Dominique Blas)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Fax sofware on int14h.
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:46:30 GMT
Organization: Minix User Group France

Hi,
I'm looking for a fax software which runs under MS-Windows and which can
use the int14h in order to communicate with a fax gateway. 
In fact, instead of talking directly with COM1 or COM2, this fax software
must talk with a remote COM1 via the int14h.
Thanks for any suggestion!
-- 
Dominique Blas                                    dblas@frmug.fr.mugnet.org
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From: yoonkim@epic.Eng.Sun.COM (Yoon W. Kim)
Newsgroups: sun.junk,comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems,comp.graphics,comp.periphs,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.multimedia
Subject: Scanner/FAX Recommendations
Keywords: scanner fax
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:31:39 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: epic

For IBM PC clones, what are some widely used (i.e. good) scanners
and FAX modems/software?

Thanks for any information you have.

yOOn
--
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Moutain View, California
yoonkim@Eng.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: kalbach@hornet.psu.edu (John Kalbach)
Subject: netfax and SYS V
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:40:31 GMT

I am trying to port netfax to an RS/6000.  I am able to get
it to send faxes but not to receive them.  I was wondering if
anyone out there has ported netfax to an RS/6000 or SYS V machine?
If so, can you forward me your source or tell where I might be able
to FTP them?

Thanks

John Kalbach
kalbach@hornet.psu.edu

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From: friedl@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US (Stephen Friedl)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: HELP!  Netfax 3.2 on SVR3.2
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:26:51 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.fax
Organization: Steve's Personal machine / Tustin, CA

[ running behind, sigh ]

Joseph H. Buehler writes about the real class 2 standard being
approved and implemented all around.  Then,

Stuart Lynne writes:
> First of all don't hold your breath waiting for [new class 2]
> implementations from current vendors. They will be waiting for
> the clamoring hordes of fax software vendors to pound on them
> asking for it. 

As a UNIX fax vendor developer myself (VSI*FAX), I gotta agree
with Stuart 100% here.  Let me note up front that these are *my*
thoughts only and probably not representative of anybody I consult
for (V-Systems, for instance).

First let me apologize in advance to some members of this forum
who are offended by the term "current class 2 standard" (SP-
2388).  I expect to be soundly reminded that it's not a standard
yet and that there IS no standard yet, blah blah blah.  Right.

On a purely technical basis, the New Class 2 spec is fine, and I
believe it will get us much closer to the kind of real plug+play
interchangeability that would make life easier for software
vendors.  It will easier to get a modem vendor to fix something
because it will be easier to demonstrate that they are "wrong",
not just taking some bogus view of a vague area.

It will probably be a bit harder to write software for, but having
written a current driver won't be wasted experience.  I believe
that the *modem* vendors have a decidedly more difficult task with
the new stuff than that old, because a fair number of things are
required (i.e., the packet protocol, I think).

However, fax software vendors are faced with an "old+new" -vs- "old"
choice because of the embedded base.  It is fortunate that this kind
of change lends itself to in-the-field EPROM changes (which should go
a long way to getting people to upgrade), but there will be some
companies that just decide not to mess with the new stuff.  Can
you imagine Delrina dropping support for the current stuff in our
lifetime?  Really?

> There are some modem vendors that have stayed out of the market pending
> the approval of the new standard. They are large enough that they might
> have enough clout to get support from some of the DOS fax software houses.
> If that happens the new standard will move forward fairly quickly.

Again Stuart hits it right: Hayes is the big question.  Just how
helpful they have actually been in the computer fax industry is
very much an open question.

     Stephen

P.S. - Let me again state that these are my opinions only

-- 
Stephen J Friedl | Software Consultant | Tustin, CA |     +1 714 544-6561
3b2-kind-of-guy  | I speak for me ONLY |   KA8CMY   | uunet!mtndew!friedl
 
Attorneys are paranoid because they assume everybody else is dishonest too
From: niki@hirematu.trl.mei.co.jp (teruki niki)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: CAS specification
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:04:35 GMT
Reply-To: niki@trl.mei.co.jp (teruki niki)
Organization: Matsushita, Tokyo Information and Communications Research Lab.

Does anyone know how to obtain Intel's Communicationg Appication Specification
(CAS)? Any information is welcome.
--

                                  Teruki Niki
                                Panasonic, Tokyo
                                Japan
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: kenyon@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Robert Kenyon)
Subject: Remote FAXing for FREE?
Summary: Remote FAXing for Free?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Distribution: comp.dcom.fax
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:09:17 GMT

This may not be the proper group but....

Is there a FAX service through the internet where one could send a
fax message by E-Mail to a fax server in another part of the country or 
the world and have it FAXed to a local fax machine where 
the server is located?  The server would receive the E-Mailed fax message
and then make a local call to send the message to the local fax machine.

I am presuming that the local phone call is not an extra charge for 
the people running the server.



Thanks.

Bob Kenyon
kenyon@bert.eecs.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: MKUNZE1@ibm.gwdg.de
Subject: W: Info on FaxIt or oth. Netw. Fax Solution
Organization: GWDG, Goettingen
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:13:30 MEZ

Hi, i'm loooking for infos on a programm called FaxIt. Some vendor here
told me this software beeing very similar to Winfax pro except having
network capabilities by a kind of TSR-printqueue-redirector named 'Share
fax' or 'Multifax' coming with it. He claims this prog to be a complete
Network fax solution for small LAN's using it with any standard Class 2
fax board (e.g. Zyxel's 1496 ).
The problem arising now is that this guy has offered me a 'Demo'-Version
of this software for 200$ and isn't willing to give me more information.
So i'm thinking of contacting the company that has developed FaxIt
directly. I know they reside in the U.S.
Does some one know the name of that company and could mail me their phone/
fax/bbs-number?
Or, does someone know another reasonable priced Lan Fax solution one can
use with a class 2 board?
 
 
TIA
Michael
________________________________________________________________________
Michael Kunze, Max-Planck-Institut for Fluid Dynamics
Goettingen, Germany
MKUNZE1@DGOGWDG1 (BITNET)
MKUNZE1@IBM.GWDG.DE (INTERNET)
_______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: ppohjakallio@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Fax classes
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:27:29 GMT


I have some questions about the fax standards in the U.S.

Are the EIA recommendations exactly the same as CCITT's?
In a PC-Magazine article about PC-faxes different classes were mentioned. What
are these classes? Are they valid only for PC-faxes or ...?

I've understood that CCITT Group 3 doesn't have any classes but Group 4 does.

Is there any good references for fax information? Books, articles, _FTP-sites_?


        Thanks in advance,

                                Pekka

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: mjb@cs.brown.edu (Manish Butte)
Subject: p/d fax software for mac?
Keywords: p/d fax mac
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:50:54 GMT

Does anyone out there know where I can get public domain or shareware
fax software for the Mac? I have a Zoom V.32bis faxmodem.

Thanks,

Manish Butte
Brown University
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.os.msdos.apps
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:28:24 -0400 
From: Jinmo Ahn <ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Supra Fax & DosFax


Great. Could you tell me the phone number to Delrina's BBS?

Thanks

Jinmo

jim+@cmu.edu
ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu
jim@stealth.andrew.cmu.edu
Pick one... they all go to the same place. :-)

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From: pnor@btma74.nohost.nodomain
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Who/what is Nuvotel?
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: pnor@se.alcbel.be
Followup-To: comp.dcom.fax
Organization: Alcatel Bell



Hi,

I'm in the market for a 14400 bps internal FAX/Modem card for a PC.
I live in Belgium and have recently heard of a card called a Nuvotel
(or possibly Novotel). Haven't actually handled one yet, my local
shop is waiting for a delivery. I do know it is based on the Rockwell
chip set. Price seems reasonable (12000 BEF - 350 USD?). I'm pretty
sure is a rebadged/reboxed something-else.

Anyone know anything about this beast? Does it work? Who are Nuvotel?

--
Regards

Phil - pnor@se.alcbel.be
From: inunn@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: ZFAX software experience
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:25:47 EDT
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

Can anyone with experience with ZyXel ZFAX software post their experiences
please?
Thanks. Ian Nunn
From: jpp@StarConn.com (John Pettitt)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Winfax bugs - what to replace it with
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:34:51 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133


Winfax seems to have a protocol bug when talking to some brands of fax
machine that causes transmission to stop after the header page.    This
is destination dependent (i.e. all faxes to the offending destination
fail and the failing faxes can be sent to other destinations with no
problem).   As has been noted before tech support for WinFax is
non-existant so I am looking for suggestions for a good fax package to
replace it with.  Hardware is a Dell 3/20 notebook with a Dell fax
modem, running dos 5 & windows 3.1.



-- 
John Pettitt					jpp@starconn.com
Archer N81034					apple!starnet!jpp
Me, say that, never: It's a forged posting!	Fax:   +1 415 967 8682
						Voice: +1 415 967 UNIX
From: zoran@ee.uts.edu.au (Zoran Markovic)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: DosFaxPro Handling of HP fonts
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:07:28 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: mozart.ee.uts.edu.au
Summary: A question on DosFax performance
Keywords: fax software

Hi,

I am experiencing a lot of problems with DosFaxPro's handling of HP
fonts.  My set-up is like this: I use Lotus Manuscript (word processor)
to produce an HP Laserjet II print file (HP-PCL format), then I use
DosFaxPro to convert it to the fax format and send it from my fax/modem.
The DosFaxPro manual claims that DosFaxPro can handle all 'Cartridge Z'
(Microsoft fonts) perfectly, and also all HP soft fonts.  However, my 
experience is that of all Cartridge Z fonts only Courier and Line Printer
come out right, while Times and Helvetica (proportional) fonts come out with
overlapping words (incorrect character lengths) and Helvetica letters
are, simply put, ugly (not because of the reduced resolution).  Soft
fonts are even worse.  It looks to me that there are a couple of bugs
in this celebrated software, since Manuscript always works fine with
those fonts and my HP printer.

Two questions please:
1. Has anyone had similar, or opposite, experiences with DosFaxPro?
2. Has anyone found a way around this problem?

Much obliged,
Zoran M.
University of Technology Sydney
Australia
From: taqwaa@equinox.unr.edu (Muhammad Taqwaa)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Fax with Modem ... that's it!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:51:26 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Dear Friends,
I am  rew user of this group.
I have IBM compatible PC with 2400 BR Modem at home working with 
my UNIX user at university.
Is there any software to let my modem work as FAX?
Can I send my Fax using this facilities?

High regards

taqwaa@equinox.unr.edu
From: J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: REPOST: Fax design questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:33:08 GMT
Reply-To: J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept of Comp. Studies, Loughborough University of Tech., UK.

[This is a repost as I never saw the first one appear at this site 
and I don't believe that comp.dcom.fax is moderated.  Sorry if you have
seen it before. - JPK]

Hello,

I have friend who is currently undertaking a final year project in
design and technology which involves the design of a fax machine
suitable for use in the home or in public places.  He has a few
basic questions which people in this forum might be able to answer:

1) What are the pros and cons of using either plain paper or thermal
paper rolls?

2) The design spec. asks for a "conventional strip scanning component". 
Does anyone know what one of these is, what size they are and how much
they cost?  Any information on manufacturers of these components would
be appreciated as well.

3) What are the *basic* functions that should be present on any fax? 
Not the added features that you'd like to see, but the core functions
that are required to send and/or recieve faxes.

4) If the fax is in a public place, should it allow incoming calls? 
What scenarios would make an incoming fax in a public place useful? 
What is to stop a company just faxing junk adverts to public faxes in
order to pickup business?

5) What sort of documents would you fax from home?  From a public place?

Many thanks in advance for any information or pointers you can supply on
this subject.  Appologies in advance if these questions seem trival or
stupid to you but faxes in England don't seem as widespread as the US
and neither my friend or myself have actually used a fax machine!

Jon

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jon P. Knight (Postgrad, Subwarden & Sys Admin).  Tel:(+44) (0)509 222298
Internet: J.P.Knight@lut.ac.uk Snail: CS Dept, LUT, Leics., UK. LE11 3TU.
* I can't even talk to you without the aid of chemicals or lies. - Pele *
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Subject: Writing a fax sending program. HELP!
Reply-To: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Organization: New Mexico State University - Electromagnetics Group
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:30:54 GMT


I'm trying to write a little program that will send faxes via my Supra
FAX/Modem. Since I don't have any documentation on how fax machines talk
I've been basing the protocol on what's done in NetFAX 3.2-1. Here's where
I'm stuck, I get connected OK and my modem goes into fax mode just fine,
with the following response string from the remote modem:
	+FCON

	+FCSI:"        <number>"

	+FDIS: 1,3,0,2,1,0,0,0

	OK

Now in NetFAX the next step is to set the transmit parameters with the
following:

		AT+FDT=0,1,0,2

Now NetFAX says there should be a "CONNECT" in response to the above string
but from what I can see there is no response at all from my modem to the
above string! Am I doing something incorrectly?
	I'd really appreciate ANY help on this one!

Thanks in advance,
Gary Hennigan
---------
PhD Student, Computational Electromagnetics
New Mexico State University
email: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.cell-relay
From: myoung@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Call Set Up
Reply-To: myoung@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:57:55 GMT

Call set up as an modification of ARP:

Should the cell relay call set up procedure defined as an
extension of the address resolution protocol(ARP) already familiar
to software developers?  

For instance:  Let the ARP have two modes, level 2 and level 3.  

Level 2 works likes current ARP, the application supplies an IPX or
IP address and the network returns a level 2 VCI, the application then
must supply the IPX or IP address with every packet.

For level 3 (the modification) the application also supplies an IPX or IP
address but the returned VCI  is a level 3 address, the application does 
not have to  use his IPX or IP address for every packet.

Does this approach offer a level of backward compatibility with existing
addressing formats?
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.cell-relay