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From: marcel@hemulen.bull.se (Marcel Bos (Proxxi))
Subject: Trying to find ATN.. Mark Sureman !!! Pleace reply!!!!
Summary: Mispathed..
Keywords: Disconnected number, Desperato..
Organization: proxxi (& SDF)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:37:35 GMT

For a while ago Mark sureman called me up, and offerend me help
with my DN660 machine. thanx unfortsienly (oops) I got a 
BIG and fat phone bill so I had to take care of that first. 

However mark leaved me a Number, but when I called him
the number was disconnected.. Pleace help!
 
Marcel Bos
marcel@proxxi.uf.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: Format of /etc/exports
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:58:00 GMT

bri@athena.mit.edu (Brian D. Carlstrom) writes:

:)hmm trying to setup my apollo nfs for the first time. basically
:)all i want is for random.mit.edu to be able to mount / and //
:)on apollo.mit.edu. what should my exports contain. i have the same
:)UID's on both systems. also, with just 
:)/
:)//

For performance reasons, mounting // is not recommended.  I did this
with Domain NFS 2.3 and an HP 710 (running HP-UX 8.07) and it was
horrible.  The recommended action is that you run NFS 2.3 (or 4.1 when
it becomes available) on all nodes and mount them independently as if
they were ordinary Unix machines with NFS out there on the net.

I have not had a chance to do this since my 700 went bye-bye and I have
no need to do this with my other HP-UX machines (running totally
unrelated applications and data.)
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |   "A munk a clone and a Ferengi
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |    decide to go bowling together..."
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |             -Data "The Outrageous Okana"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: root@mecad.uta.edu (Operator)
Subject: backup tape
Keywords: tape
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:21:14 GMT


What is the largest size of back-up tape  in terms of megabyte that Apollo DN  
3500, 4000 and 5500 can take?

Any info. would be appreciated.

root@me.uta.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: Just what is in a Apollo 9000/730?
Reply-To: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:09:00 GMT

In order to clarify some things I said earlier, a couple of which  were
incorrect:

(1) I got the wrong name from somewhere; Douglas Voorhies is one the 
engineers on the DN10000, not Paul Bemis who is apparently a "marketing"
person.

(2) PA-RISC existed before the merger; just not in the same form.  To
quote from "Workstation" magazine:

	All three models use a new generation of the PA-RISC
 	architecture that adds a small number of critical
	compound, or superscalar, instructions found in
	Apollo's PRISM architecture to the basic instruction
	set of HP 9000 Series 800.

Other relevant quotes from an earlier issue of the same rag, attributed
to Bob Weinberger (yet another marketing person):

	The Apollo Systems Division here in Chelmsford has been
	given strategic ownership for HP's workstation RISC program.

	HP previously has not had a specific workstation RISC program.
	HP's existing RISC workstations were all introduced as multi-
	user systems first and the retrofitted to take advantage of
	Motorola workstation graphics products developed in 
	Fort Collins.

So, my point is the 7xx series has benefitted greatly from once Apollo
technical people, especially those involved in the PRISM architecture,
whatever their names are.  If only it came with DomainOS and a true ATR
board...

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Date: 18 Nov 92 09:39:25 GMT
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From: vinoski@ch.apollo.hp.com (Stephen Vinoski)
Subject: Re: Just what is in a Apollo 9000/730?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:54:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.215020.17473@alw.nih.gov> rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable) writes:
>Gosh, I guess all that vendor literature and trade press stuff wasn't
>legitimate then.  Suppose you tell us the REAL story?

PA-RISC was designed by HP before they bought Apollo.  The DN10k
architecture was designed by an Apollo team in the mid-80's.

What vendor literature and trade press stuff?  If the trade press got
this stuff wrong, it wouldn't surprise me, but I'd be surprised if any
"vendor literature" from HP or Apollo gives the names of our
designers.  That would be like giving their names to every headhunter
in the industry.

-steve

Steve Vinoski  (508)436-5904   vinoski@apollo.hp.com
Distributed Object Computing Program
Hewlett-Packard, Chelmsford, MA 01824       These are my opinions.
From: tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Tom Gross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Just what is in a Apollo 9000/730?
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:42:10 GMT
Reply-To: tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Thomas Gross x2002 5-2)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision

In article <1992Nov14.052216.28745@alw.nih.gov>, rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable) writes:
> 
> They use a RISC architecture (called PA-RISC) designed by Paul Bemis, who did
> the Apollo DN10000 RISC processor; Convex has licensed the chip with plans to
> build some parallel systems.

	And to think Paul Bemis was a product manager in marketing for Apollo
	before HP bought the company...  Just goes to show that HP really
	knew what they were doing when they bought the place; they must have
	been really savvy managers to spot such a hidden talent!

/tom
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From: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: Need Some Advice..
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:19:16 GMT

In article <9211181553.AA14729@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) writes:

	[ long networking tutorial deleted ]

>In summary, the HP series 700 speaks *only* UDP and TCP/IP software protocals
>over its Ethernet and/or ATR interfaces because HP-UX only supports those
>protocals. They speak an extremely limitted subset of DDS protocals over
>the ATR interface so that Domain/OS machines on the ATR net can detect the
>presense of the 700 series machines and can then speak UDP and TCP/IP 
>protocals (FTP, telnet, rlogin, NFS) over their ATR interfaces to the
>700 series machines.

Huh? I thought all this had been established here.  The question is which
Apollo machines  can actually communicate via DDS and IP packets on it's
token ring board-- or how do I integrate an HP 7xx into an existing DDS ring?
Does one machine need 2 ATR cards or what?


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From: toshok901@ucdavis.edu (Chris Toshok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Questions about dn560
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:20:19 GMT
Organization: none


  I am the proud(?) owner of a new (old) Apollo dn560.  Well, I have
purchased it, but it is not in my possession yet.  I do, however have a
couple of questions about it that the fellow I am buying it from could not
answer.  One, just how expandable is it (memory-wise).  The previous owner
told me that it had a limit of 3 megs, and I would be very sad if this were
the case.  Also, an HP rep (not the most reliable source of information),
told me that I could plug in more than one processor (68020).  I would be
very pleased if this were the case...  Any information about my new (old)
workstation would be appreciated.
--
Chris Toshok                       |  Please save all files,
(toshok901@snake.cs.uidaho.edu)    |  Rebooture is IMMINENT!!!!
(tosh901@orizaba.ee.uidaho.edu)    |                        :)
From: mik@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM (#Michele Isernia)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:33:19 GMT
Subject: Re: RE: Need Some Advice...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo

Has always been possible to have TCP/IP and DDS on the same ATR wire.
Now you are able to add a node that "speaks" only TCP/IP and not DDS.
Forget the implementation specs (DDS packets with TCP/IP inside..),
you should look at TCP/IP only.

The best way is to keep the Apollos "speaking" DDS eachother, and 
"speaking" TCP to the Unix world (to the 700).

Using Passwd/ETC you should remember to configure the NCS services
also on TCP/IP (this is a default on Domain/Os 10.4..).

Another reason to have TCP/IP configured on all the Apollos may be
to use them as X-Terminal with the "Xdomain -query 700hostname"...

I suggest you a couple of new manuals:

Domain/HP-UX Interop. Planning Guide P/N A2087-90001

Configuring and Managing Interop.
 in a Mixed Domain/Os and HP-UX Net. P/N A2087-90003


Mik
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Re: Need Some Advice..
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:25:47 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Nov14.053456.28937@alw.nih.gov>, rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.172035.2396@novatel.cuc.ab.ca> hpeyerl@novatel.cuc.ab.ca (Herb Peyerl) writes:
|> >If you want to make the assumption that IP packets are encapsulated within 
|> >DDS packets, then in order to make HP-UX reside on ATR, HP must then have 
|> >ported DDS to HP-UX on 400's and 700's... That must mean 700's have 
|> >node-ids. Somehow I doubt that.
|> 
|> Actually, I understand that although ATR cards are available for 700's, they
|> use a different protocol than standard Apollo DNxxxx* nodes, and a 9000/400
|> series node is needed to translate protocols.  I assume at least the packet
|> structure is different, but don't know all the details.  I hope to find out
|> soon; if anyone has any more complete information ...
|> 

It's my understanding that the 700 ATR cards talk TCP/IP only.

-- Greg
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From: davew@sol.rtsg.mot.com (Dave Weigand)
Subject: Re: Sendmail configuration for Apollos
Reply-To: davew@jdc.gss.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Digital Cellular
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:09:50 GMT

David Letsche<D.J.LETSCHE@UK.AC.BHAM> writes:
|> Has anyone got a working setup of sendmail on an Apollo domain running
|> Domain/OS SR10.  A copy of the sendmail.cf file would be appreciated.
|> 
|> David Letsche
|> Faculty Support Officer Engineering/Medicine
-- 

If you are using Domain/OS SR10.4 the Sendmail binary provided by  HP
is a hack since they tried to get more SMTP compatibility.  Use 10.3.5's
sendmail.


-Dave

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Subject: request to join
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From: ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods)
Subject: Re: Config says there's a floppy drive
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:57:56 GMT

zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>I would be very surprised if there were any harmful effects of this bug.
>I have never noticed *any* high-level effect arising from the configuration
>set with CONFIG.  I have used systems with this information set completely
>haywire, but nothing seemed to care.  *Does* anything actually use this
>information?
According to my Apollo support person, almost all of config's
information is ignored. The exception is the primary network (802.3 or
Token Ring). If this is set wrongly you can have big problems until
you work out the problem!

Eoin.
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From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Need Some Advice..
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:23:41 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan CITI
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
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In article <LUTZ.92Nov19154035@hepburn.anes.upmc.edu>, lutz@hepburn.anes.upmc.edu (John Lutz) writes:

  Well, I have been following this thread for a while now and feel I need to
  pipe in.  Two words. tcsh - emacs.
  	As far as i am concerned, an xterm running tcsh beats the hell out of
  a pad: command completion(for *real*), full shell programming that looks and
  acts like the programming language that I work with all the time, fast (try
  more in a pad. (ho hum into raw mode, ho hum clear the screen, ho hum, display
  the text, ho hum hit <return> (!?!?!?!?!?!?) to go back into cooked mode.

Running 'more' in a pad would be pretty stupid.  It defeats the whole
purpose of using a pad.  I could just as legitimately fault emacs for its
poor performance when running 'vi' (the real program, not the emulation
mode) in a buffer.

I'm a fan of emacs myself, but there is one thing it won't do.  It won't
properly interleave the input and output in a shell window.  No program that
uses ptys to talk to the shell can do that as far as I know.  The DM uses a
special 'pad' device to do this.
From: sasjcm@unx.sas.com (James McNealy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: looking for info on 10.4 and slip
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:10:32 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


   I'm investigating setting up slip on a dn3500 running 10.4. I would
appreciate any advice and experiences.

Thanks,
Jim


--
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sasjcm@unx.sas.com| Box 8000 Cary,  NC 27512-8000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: orchard@eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu (Bruce Orchard)
Subject: User lookups fail; edrgy hangs
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:09:20 CST


On a DN 3000 running SR 10.4, I have the following problems:
  1.  edrgy never returns a prompt when it is started.
  2.  rgy_admin never returns a prompt when it is started.
  3.  getpwnam and getpwuid can find some users but not others.

What could be causing this?

Notes:
  1.  5 nodes in the network are running 10.3.5 and 5 are running
      10.4.  All the nodes running glbd and rgyd are running 10.4.
  2.  The rest of the nodes function correctly.
  3.  /etc/passwd is the same on the failing node and on a working
      node.  (I compared them with diff.)
  4.  The UUID of the global location broker is nonstandard because
      there are other Apollo's on the campus Ethernet.  (I made our
      Apollo's a cell.)

Thanks.

Bruce Orchard (orchard@ece.wisc.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Questions about dn560
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:18:27 GMT

In article <TOSHOK901.92Nov18132019@snake.ucdavis.edu> toshok901@ucdavis.edu (Chris Toshok) writes:
>  I am the proud(?) owner of a new (old) Apollo dn560.  Well, I have
>purchased it, but it is not in my possession yet.
>
>One, just how expandable is it (memory-wise).  The previous owner
>told me that it had a limit of 3 megs, and I would be very sad if this were
>the case.

That's it as far as I know. I think the 580 could be expanded by adding
the "Turbo" option, but I don't believe any such thing exists for the 560.
3Mb isn't much, but it's enough to run the older versions of the OS rather
well. Try anything after, say, 10.2 and it might seem a litt..(swap)..le
slu..(swap)..ggi..(swap)..sh.

Could be worse -- my Dn300's have only 1Mb and run the same OS.

> Also, an HP rep (not the most reliable source of information),
>told me that I could plug in more than one processor (68020).

If you're talking about multiple processors at once, I don't think this
is possible -- if it can be done this is the first I've heard of it.
If you're talking about upgrading the CPU to a better model, that might
be possible but you might have trouble finding the parts to do it.

>Any information about my new (old) workstation would be appreciated.

Well, you'll be able to turn off the heat in the room you put it in :-).

                                     -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Need Some Advice..
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:54:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Sigh! Can't you people understand the difference between the ISO
physical/transmission layer and the protocal layer? 

"Ethernet" does *NOT* mean TCP/IP ! Apollo Token Ring (ATR) does *NOT*
mean DDS ! These are two different physical wiring and transmission
implementations which can support *any* protocal. Commonly used protocals
used over Ethernet wiring are: UDP (Unix utilities, Sun RPC (eg. NFS)),
DECnet, DDS (yes, virginia, Apollo Domain protocals), XDS (from Xerox,
rumored predecesor of DDS), and the good-old TCP/IP.

"Ethernet" is a specification for a physical wiring scheme(s) (originally
thicknet with MAU attachments, now including thin-net and 
T-Base-10 (Unshielded Twisted Pair == UTP) *AND* a *PHYSICAL* (note the
emphasis) tramission format, ie. physical packet addressing format, minimum
/maximum packet size, collision/error handling, etc. It does *NOT* specify
logical addressing (such as IP addresses, which have *no* relation to
any physical destination -- even on the local cable). 

"ATR" is the same as "Ethernet" -- it specifies a type of cable, connectors,
transceivers, and physical addressing -- *not* the software protocal
contained in the physical packets. 

The ATR boards on the HP series 700 machines specify the physical and
transmission layers of the ISO model. They are compatible with the boards
in the DN2500/3000/3500/4000/4500/5500 series. They may even be the 
same board, for all I know and/or care. The 700 series only speaks TCP/IP
and UDP protocals over these ATR boards *AND* over their Ethernet 
interfaces because the HP-UX kernal only implements these software protocals.
A very small subset of the DDS protocals were added to the HP-UX kernal for
the 700 series in order to allow 700 series machines to respond to things
like the /com/lcnode command (lists connected nodes on the ATR net). The
response to DDS protocal is done by the OS kernal, *not* the interface board.
This is why Apollo (pre-HP) machines on Ethernet-only or ITR-only networks
can function correctly -- the interface card has nothing to do with the
DDS protocal *other* than physically delivering the packet to the OS kernal
on the proper machine. The OS kernal then must decide whether the incoming
packet is a DDS packet, a TCP/IP packet, a UDP packet, or some unsupported
type (like DECnet, for instance).

In summary, the HP series 700 speaks *only* UDP and TCP/IP software protocals
over its Ethernet and/or ATR interfaces because HP-UX only supports those
protocals. They speak an extremely limitted subset of DDS protocals over
the ATR interface so that Domain/OS machines on the ATR net can detect the
presense of the 700 series machines and can then speak UDP and TCP/IP 
protocals (FTP, telnet, rlogin, NFS) over their ATR interfaces to the
700 series machines.

== Dave Krowitz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: jake@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Jake Jacobson)
Subject: DN series processor/bus addressing
Organization: none
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:23:15 GMT

How are the addressing differences between a 68xxx processor and an
"Intel address" ISA bus resolved in the DN series?  Is there special
hardware that performs byte and/or word swapping so that a Motorola
processor can control peripherals that expect Intel style memory 
addresses?  Any help would be appreciated.
-jake jacobson-
jake@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com

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