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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: MIDI Editor
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:26:07 GMT

In article <BzB8GC.1zE@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
>Subject: Re: MIDI Editor
>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:57:47 GMT

>In article <1992Dec15.020226.1331@rose.com> francisco.perez@rose.com (francisco perez) writes:
>>
>>Date Entered: 12-14-92 20:47
>>Anyone know of a good shareware MIDI editor I can use for the GUS to modify
>>and/or create MID files?  I don't have a MIDI interface of any sort.  I'm
>>just simply looking for an editor which will let me create MIDs by keying
>>in the notes through my computer keyboard, and then play them back on the
>>GUS.

>If you have Windows, there's WinJammer.  

But if I have DOS?  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: kaminl@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: What sequencers use old SB MIDI interface?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:41:59 GMT

The subject pretty much says it all. I have an old original SB. I am going
to try to build the MIDI connector and get a hold of a midi keyboard. Now
what are some [low-cost] sequencers that I can mess around with?

Thanks.
-- 
Matt Garretson                    :-)                 temporarily kaminl@rpi.edu
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From: ken@austin.ibm.com 
Subject: Re: GUS questions
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:16:48 GMT
Reply-To: ken@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin


I don't know exactly where (ftp.cica.indiana.edu maybe), but a
friend got me some AWESOME MID files that sound great on the GUS.

The file is called scdemos.zip and has about 13 MID files in it.
Some don't play well from PLAYMIDI - I had to run them in
Windows with Media Player/Winjammer. Others didn't work in
Windoze, so I ran them with PLAYMIDI. But these were great.
Interesting use of instruments - kinda covered the spectrum.
I think numbers 2, 5, 6, 9 were really good.


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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: What exactly is supposed to be in the GUS box?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 01:25:11 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

Hi, after running across several references to the "Ultrasound
manual" -- within what I thought was the Ultrasound manual, mind
you (the grey-colored cover saying "Ultrasound, 16-bit CD quality,
Advanced Gravis, with a microphone, a CD, and a treble clef and
two eighth notes, one black, one white), I started wondering if
perhaps the package sent to me is missing more than the diskettes
(which is another story -- Gravis is sending me the diskettes,
and I've already dl'ed the zip's on epas.utoronto.ca, thank you).

There's an example of such a reference in the FindCard section on
page 55 of the grey manual.  I suppose they're referring to the
earlier section about disabling jumpers?

What I got was:
-two manuals, one as general reference, one for the USS8
-registration card
-quick reference guide for sbos
-an ad for USS8
-an ad for the General MIDI patches
-the board itself

Am I missing anything else?

-Jon Kung
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From: planger@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Paul Langer)
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Organization: Oompa Loompa Preservation Society
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:46:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.185301.7654@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.164820.538@mfltd.co.uk> sts@mfltd.co.uk writes:
> >In article <If=oh_u00WBL81hJgV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Philip Andrew Nemec <blackdiamond+@CMU.EDU> writes:
> >|> Okay - here are some specs from the developer's toolkit...
> >|> 
> >|> * 8 or 16 bit playback.  Stereo and Monophonic.
> >|> * 8 it recording.  Stereo and Monophonic.
> >|> * Playback and recording rates up to 441.1 kHz.
> >                                        ^^^^^^^^^
> >                                  Wow!! All we need now is a couple
> >                                  of gigs of memory to store the samples in !
> 
> Err.  Not really.  441.1 kHz = 44.11 MHz.  Little power of 10 thing there.

     Wrong! 441.1 kHz = .4411 MHz 

            44.11 MHz = 44,110 kHz

     Next Issue!
From: scoh@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:33:11 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Dec13.174530.62004@cc.usu.edu>, sl8nl@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>> I have seen people talk about The GUS and SBOS not supporting the SBPRo..
>> But you are all wrong wrong wrong wrong.. See The SBPro.. is a big Sham..
>> Amnd You can ask Gravis for this...
> 
> You gotta watch it.  I program for them both.  The SBPro's digital channels are
> stereo, essentially one going left and one going right...always.  The SBPro's
> FM channels ARE stereo, 11 channels going left, 11 going right.
> 
> 
>>  But See the SBPro DOES NOT have true stereo.. Alls it is is 1 sound blaster
>> coming out each speaker.. (2 Monos).... This is true. And 
>> In games That support SB Pro.. You will notice that Their is no SBpro
>> Sound file... It is the same as the Sb Sound File... Alls it does is 
>> supposedly turn it into stereo...
> 
> There is an SBPro sound file for MOST games now, UNLESS they only support SB. 
> Believe me, there is a big difference in programming stereo and mono for these
> cards.
> 
>>  Since the Ultrasound IS STereo.. When you chose Normal SB.. You ARE gettingg
>> SBpro Support... Coming out in Semi Stereo.,. Its all A Sham put on by
>> Creative labs,, And Not a whole lot of people know abou tit...
>>  but Gravis does.. and Sbos v1.1, and 1.22 DOES support the SBpro..
>> But To do it.. You just chose SB in any game....
>> 
> 
> C'mon, guy, get your facts straight.  Number one, if Gravis is telling you this
> bull then we probably ought to have a talk with the person doing so.  The SBPro
> comes out in true, real-life, left-right stereo.  That's always what the word
> STEREO has meant to me.  SBOS does support the Soundblaster Pro, but only in
> stereo.
> 
> And YES, I do have a Gravis, TWO in fact !
> 
> Joshua Jensen
> Proud owner of my SBPro and (I lied) the two that should be here Tuesday.

OK. First of call.. Call Gravis and Ask for ewither 'Sandy Cameron', or
a guy named 'Allan' I dont know allans Last name.. But that is what they
said and it is true.. You can even look with most games that support the 
SBpro and there is only 1 sound file 'SB'.. But its programmed for stereo
Also. Right? And So When it comes out on the Sound Blaster it comes out in
mono..//.. But when played on the GUS OR the SB Pro then it comes out
in stereo..,. thats it. The facts...
Call and check it out...

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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: GUS : Problems running _included_ midi demos
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:59:29 GMT

In article <85148@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
>Subject: Re: GUS : Problems running _included_ midi demos
>Date: 11 Dec 92 14:43:19 GMT

>In article <markus.273.723315946@clement.info.umoncton.ca> markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:
>>
>>       Just as a hint, type 'playmidi -udebug <filename>' and you'll see a 
>>debug screen as you play the file.  'playmidi -h' will give you a screen 
>>full of help.
>>|            markus@info.umoncton.ca          | "My son, ask for thyself    |

>Ok, I typed that, and the row of C-numbers is obviously the 16 MIDI channels,
>but what is the row of 20 numbers above that?  I'd understand if it were 32,
>since this GUS is supposed to be 32-voice, but not 20...?


	I know.  I don't know either what are those 20 numbers although I 
have my own idea but I prefer to wait for a reply from Gravis on the subject.
By the way, Gravis gave me the address of Chris Yuzik on Internet but it 
doesn't work.  I wrote them back but they said it's the right address.  The 
address is : chris_yuzik@sfu.ca  Is that right?  Can anyone confirm that?
I'm desperatly looking for that guy.  I have a lot of questions to ask.
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From: Daniel@bepcp.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Mod players using EMS or XMS?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:05:32 EST

Re: Mod players using EMS or XMS?
By: jl52800 #0 @uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Incredible Mr.Wong) USEnet      

Winmod Pro 0.02b plays MODs of large sizes with no problems; I've played MODs
up to 800k with it.
   - Dan Nicholson, PCkS Associates
moddan@bowker.com, modan@aol.com 

The views expressed are the author's only,          email   : @bowker.com
and not those of Reed Reference Publishing, Inc.          ...!uupsi!bepcp
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From: v128nkga@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Anyone get GUS to work with Amnesia Demo?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Like the subject says, I can't seem to get the GUS to
work with the Amnesia Demo I picked up off of wuarchive a while back.
Every option except -o3 gives me this strange parity error, in this
big print (not the normal text).  The -o3 option will let the
demo run, but with no sound.
	Has anyone out there gotten the GUS to work with Amnesia?
	Thanks in advance.
				Later,	
				Henry
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: GUS & Falcon 3.0
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:50:45 GMT

markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:
>In article <Bz41y0.FDB@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>>You have to load SBOS high.  To do this, make a batch file with the 
>>following commands:
>>@echo off
>>lh sbosdrv
>>loadsbos %1 %2 %3 %4

>I think it should be:
>@echo off
>sbosdrv
>lh loadsbos %1 %2 %3 %4
>	LOADSBOS is the program that will stay in memory.  Maybe I'm wrong, 
>but that's what UBAT writes when I create a batch file with high memory 
>loading.

Just checked... SBOSDRV stays in memory, LOADSBOS doesn't.  Phat's
version is correct here.  Actually, you could load them both high,
since loadsbos doesn't hang around there's no harm.
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From: szsiski@dale.ucdavis.edu (Bruce Siski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: GUS, Where from?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:35:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


After all of this reading and hearing about the GUS, where can I buy one
from?  Do any major retailers sell them, or where can I mail order one
from...  What is the list price and what is the store price?  Please mail
repiles..


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: GUS & SBv1.5 - Coexist?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:05:50 GMT

In article <Bz37EE.48v@newsserver.technet.sg> ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD) writes:
>
>Hello... I've kinda lost the thread here so could someone who DOES have
>a SoundBlaster 1.5 and the GUS in the same machine please let me know if
>the combination works and if any interrupts clash etc.?
>
>This combo seems like the best of both worlds :) ...
>
>

I've got my SB1.5 and GUS rev. 2.2 coexisting nicely in my machine.
My SB is on DMA channel 1, IRQ 5, and address 220, while my GUS takes
DMA channel 3, address 260, and IRQ's 15 and 12.  One snag that I've
encountered is that certain programs won't recognize the SB as Adlib-
compatible until I run SBOS and then uninstall it.

Phat.
From: swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg (Sir Launcelot Du Lac)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: SB16 Released at Last!
Date: 11 Dec 92 02:33:04 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Hail People!

At long last, the Sound Blaster 16 ASP hast been released in it's home
country, Singapore!  Cost is S$498 (about US$300-350).  But now, I'm a
little uncertain as to what to do, for the MIDI Blaster is touted for
release early next year.  This wilt allow playback of General MIDI format
sound, so 'twould be nearly as good as the Roland SCC-1.  The Wave Blaster
daughterboard for SB16 will also allow this.  The question now is: should
I get the SB16, then the Wave Blaster? or wait for the MIDI Blaster and
connect that to my current SB Pro? or get SB16 and then the MIDI Blaster?
Any advice anyone?  Also, dost anyone have a more specific date as to when
the MIDI Blaster wilt be released?

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From: turkstra@smaug.cs.hope.edu (Screwtape)
Subject: Re: GUS 2.2 vs. 2.4 (and does Gravis read this?)
Organization: Hope College Dept of CS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:15:44 GMT

From article <1992Dec18.102416@cs.utwente.nl>, by waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg):
> Can anyone tell me the difference between the GUS v2.2 and v2.4?
> 
> BTW: I'm just wondering. Are the people from Gravis reading this newsgroup?
> 
> Jerry
 
I was on the phone with Gravis tech suppt yesterday, and asked about 2.2->2.4
The guy didn't know.  He said that he'd asked people and nobody knew!  
He also mentioned that he was sure he would've been told if there were any
functional changes, and that it was probably just a chip layout redesign
or something.  So i guess we can take this as "there is no difference."?

-- 

Chris Turkstra
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From: jkb@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (John K Bunk)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: Are Mine Alone
Subject: Gus Gripes Part II
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:49:31 -0800
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To elaborate on gripes stated in a previous posting, I'm
looking for a way to play ANY 16 bit samples -I- want via 
GUS's waveform synthesis and RAM buffer.  I already have
a Roland SCC-1 (which sounds great), so using GUS's default
sound library isn't appealing to me.  Why the emphasis 
on 16 bit?  Appx. 60 db dynamic range ("AM/FM" quality) vs
100 db dynamic range sound ("CD" quality).

I'm not planning on using the board for games (although 
I play games).  If I want a sound board for games, I can 
probably pick up an 8 bit Sound Blaster used dirt cheap.
Fully compatible with all games.  Even my Roland works
with many games.

Back to the waveforms, to get the waveforms, I can:
1.  Sample from a CD sound library (or other source)
2.  Load a sample from an existing sound library
3.  Make the sounds "from scratch" via a synthesizer
    software emulator (aka TurboSynth for the Mac).

Given what I've said before and based on recent postings,
option (1) isn't an option for me right now.
The daughter board which enables 16 bit input will 
cost appx. $150.  The total cost of a GUS with 1 meg RAM
and 16 bit sampling will propel GUS's cost to over $300. 
Recent postings about other waveform synthesis boards with 
similar specs are in the same price ballpark ($300-$500).  
Futhermore, the daughter card is not available now (real
soon now I hear).

HOWEVER, option (2) may be VERY appealing IF there was a
program which can convert sounds from MIDI sample dump
format or other popular sample dump formats to a GUS
compatible format.  There are HUNDREDS of canned sample
sounds for various samplers out there.  The question
is can they be loaded into the GUS?  If so, how?

I'm not considering option (3) right now.

If Gravis (or someone) comes out with a conversion program
which converts MIDI sample dumps (from a MIDI file) OR
converts sample files from popular commercial music samplers 
TO a GUS loadable format (properly), then I'm buying 
a GUS!  These files will probably overload the default 
256K waveform buffer, so I'll need to get some RAM chips 
with the GUS.

If anyone knows of such a conversion program, please let
me know!  IMHO, Gravis would be an extraordinary buy if
such a conversion program existed.

Thanks for your time and postings,
John


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From: smithb@cognos.com (Brad Smith)
Subject: Re: PAS Mailing List subscription - how??? (was Re: PAS16 woes)
Keywords: proaudio spectrum pas pas+ pas16
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:41:36 GMT

In article <Bz1vyL.1905@austin.ibm.com> lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com writes:
>Can we get a FINAL answer to resolve this confusion?  I've sent two (2)
>emails to "pas-lovers-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu" and one (1) email
>to "pas-lovers-subscribe@gnu.ai.mit.edu".  To date, I've received absolutely
>NOTHING.  Could there possibly be a problem with my kludgey netaddress
>(ie. I have a '%' sign in mine)?  And, "yes", I AM setting my "Reply-To"
>properly.
>
For what it's worth, I've sent E-mail to each address, and have also received
nothing back. Noting weird about *my* return address. :-)

Brad.

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From: sl8nl@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Calling all GUS SDKers and users!
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:58:39 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Ouch, I just ran into a major brick wall in my GUS modplayer...

All you with SDK's, listen up.  Maybe I'm missing a command...

OK,  as you are all aware, module samples have a start, length, loops, and
loope, illustrated like.

Start                       Length
+--------------------------------+
      -----------------  
   LoopS            LoopE            

Alright, as far as I can tell, the GUS only supports this.

Start-----------------------End
           LoopS------------End

Am I missing something??????????    This is going to really hurt in looping
samples if it can't do it like Amiga modules!

Joshua Jensen
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Can you backup your system to CDs?
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:33:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec12.101143.25318@u.washington.edu> mower@stein.u.washington.edu (The Lawnmower) writes:
>jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen) writes:
>>In article <c60a-lj.724017781@danube.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-lj@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Rasputin) writes:
>>)jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>>)>CD-ROM drives can you write information to the CD-DISK?  This is true isn't it.
>>)>I have just assumed this.  I can back up my harddrive on a CD can't I?
>>)CD-Roms are Read only.  The only possible way to do this would be to find
>>)someone who presses CD's....
>
>>OR, buy the new drive that can WRITE CD-ROMS.  (of course you need a blank).
>>problem ... ~$8000.
>
>ROM stands for Read ONLY Memory.  


"Floptical" drives do NOT have to cost $8k.  I was just at the U.T. 
microcomputer center, and got a quote on a read/write 128Meg optical 
drive for PC-$1880, MAC-$1455.  I don't know what the media costs, but
it can't be all that much.  These drives claim an access time of 63ms;
not bad considering everything else (cost, reliability, longevity, 
storage space...)  It would be a great way to store lots of digitized
sounds (ob. soundcard ;-).






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