HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: timd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Tim Docker)
Subject: AARNET access methods
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:26:23 GMT

I am considering the practicality of some type of AARNET connection at work
(The Powerhouse Museum). As I see it, the following are some options:

	1) Dialup modem access as a remote terminal to a connected site
		(what I am doing now through extro.ucc.su.oz.au).

	2) Dialup modem access using SLIP or PPP

	3) Dialup ISDN access using SLIP or PPP

	4) Permanent (leased line) connection as an AARNET site.

I suspect 4 is out of the question, not so much because of the cost
(any idea how much?), but because ot the administration required. In any case


Does anyone in OZ provide such a service as (3)? I have used X-terminals
over ISDN, but not SLIP or PPP.

If not how about option (2), I'm not aware of anywhere that will do this either
(but then I haven't asked before :-).

Thanks in advance,

Tim Docker
timd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

Xref: sparky aus.aarnet:1279 aus.general:2505
From: nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.general
Subject: Re: PAX - Adelaide Public Access Unix - now online
Followup-To: aus.general
Date: 18 Dec 1992 07:58:09 +1100
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.42bis

l.gudiksen@uws.edu.au writes:

>What's available in Sydney and surrounds?????

Kralizec ... (02) 837-1183.
-- 
Nick Andrew.    (not 'Andrews')
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: dialix
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:06:12 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Can anyone give me the Dialix contact address info ? Much obliged.
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: US LInk Down
Date: 21 Dec 1992 05:26:11 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4


The link to the US is down, and has been down for about 12 minutes, ie. 
went down at around 16:10 my time (GMT +1100). The US operations people
have reported the fault to the US carrier (WorldCom) and when we know
more will pass it on.

Peter Elford
AARNet

ps. I know this only happened because I mentioned how reliable the US link
was publicly ...
-- 
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Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Request: public access UNIX sites
Date: 30 Dec 1992 03:02:54 GMT
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au
Cc: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au,dclunie


In article 1hk13tINNa44@zikzak.apana.org.au, zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba) writes:
>I am currently preparing an FAQ list of publically accessible
>internet-connected machines in Australia. If you'd like your machine
>to feature in this FAQ please send details of your system including:

You may wish to add PAX in adelaide ...

Name:           pax.tpa.com.au
Location:       Adelaide
Dialins:        (08) 235-9010 (4 lines up to V32bis with MNP5/V42bis)
Hours:          no restrictions
Charges:        $10/per month; $10 initial fee; billed to credit card.
Subscription:   log in as "new" or "guest" - immediate registration
Machine:        Sparcstation 1 running SunOS 4.1.2
Features:	Mail is fast via SMTP rather than UUCP.
                Large archives on multi-platter CDROMs.
Limitations:	Ftp and telnet etc. are NOT available.
Other services: UUCP,SL/IP,PPP & news feeds by special arrangement (to anyone)

david
From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 28 Dec 1992 11:56:00 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>I don't understand why whenever the word "pornographic" comes up
>everyone associates it with censorship and rights.  If you want

Because it immediately preceeds someone wanting censorship, and invokes
discussion about rights.

>the possibility is small and that there is no hard evidence
>linking rapes and sexual abuses with pornographic picture.  

Quite true.

>I want to say forget about your hard evidence and look at your
>own instinct (here I am talking to males on the net).  Most

Oh yes.  "The earth is flat".  What a wonderful instinct.  Why not talk
to the women on the net?  Surely they are the people who you are asking
to complain, if there are any complaints to be made?

>that if you look at these pictures, you don't get turned on
>(unless of course you are gay :-) ?  A majority of people can

How nice.  And a little patronising smiley.  

>control their sexual desires but what do we do with the minority
>?  You may argue that there are already enough pornography at the
>newsagent and so why limit it on the net.  Well, I ask you
>shouldn't we at least try to limit the amount of exposure ?

What exposure?  As far as I understand, the images cannot be
unexpectedly viewed.  They must be GIFs or something and then ascii
encoded, so not something that one would 'stumble across'.  I would
imagine it more difficult to decode one of these images, than to go to
your corner shop, hand over a note of small denomination and unwrap the
plastic?

>Wouldn't it be better just to forgo something like pornography
>then to know that it could lead to acts of violence against
>females and even childern ?  Ok, the possiblity may be as low as
>0.0001% but is cutting out pornography on the net such a great
>lost ?  If you can't live with dirty pictures on your X-terminal
>then why don't you just buy a copy of Penthouse and scan the
>picture and have it as your background.

Oh, and lets get rid of electricity in our homes.  After all, it can
lead to electrocutions of children and women in the home.  Not only
that, it allows Kentucky Fried Chicken advertisements to make savages of
any men who view them.

>Please try to think of this issue as a matter of protecting the
>rights of women and childern.  It is not a issue of big brother.

Sure.  That's what they all say.  Come on.  Why don't you start a
petition to get rid of female nudes in renaissance art at your
university fine arts library?

Peter

-- 
email:  comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au   snail:  Peter Cooper
fax:    +61 9 380 1041                     Guild of Undergraduates
phone:  +61 9 380 3929                     University of Western Australia
"It was the banana that did it!" - Julia Marley
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:37:49 GMT

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

[Please excuse any typo's this keyboard is playing up]

>I don't understand why whenever the word "pornographic" comes up
>everyone associates it with censorship and rights.  If you want

Because censorship is censorship, no matter who perpetrates it,
no matter what it is you choose to censor.  It is far more clear
cut than the distinction between what is erotic and what is
pornogaphic.

>pictures of nearly naked females.  Now can you tell me honestly
>that if you look at these pictures, you don't get turned on

Surely that's the idea?

>(unless of course you are gay :-) ?

There are lots of male pictures there as well.  Have you ever even
looked at this nwsgroup?

>Wouldn't it be better just to forgo something like pornography
>then to know that it could lead to acts of violence against
>females and even childern ?  Ok, the possiblity may be as low as
>0.0001% but is cutting out pornography on the net such a great
>lost ?

Not to you obviously, you lose nothing, so of course this seems 
like a reasonable aproach to you.  What about people who don't 
or can't drive demanding that cars be banned because they could be
killed by them?  Should we ban all drugs because some people
commit suicide with them?  All sports because people get hurt?
Boxing because people get brain damage?  Force people to wear helmets
because they could get hurt riding?  Ban cigarette advertising because
people get cancer?

Where do you draw the line - and who gets to choose where the line gets
drawn?

Violence against women is a horrible thing, it sickens and appals me.
It infuriates me that even in Perth people (esp women) are afraid to
walk the streets.  But don't blame this on the net, the violence was
there before the net was, it was there before tv, before magazines,
before newspapers.
   Peter.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis <peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au>           Ph: +61 9 368 2055
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: pwb@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Paul W. Brooks esq.)
Subject: Re: Comments on Unipalm's Mail-it MS-Windows Unix Mail Product
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:54:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.072708.14952@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>, tomw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Tom Worthington) writes:
> Many of you will have read my complaints in UseNet news and ACS
> publications about the lack of easy to use e-mail products. Yesterday I
> received a demonstration copy of Uniplam "Mail-It" electronic mail
> product. It appears to have many of the features I have been looking for.
[...]
> * requires extra network software: Mail-It is designed to work with Sun or
> FTP's TCP/IP products or Novell's LAN WorkPlace (whatever that is) to
> provide the communication to the POP-2 mail server. A copy of the POP-2
[...]
> ps: If someone can tell me where to get the TCP/IP software so I can
> really try the product I would be happy to hear.
> 

You could try Connections (The Systems Integration People) in Canberra,
or Sydney. They are dealers for all three of the above PC TCP/IP
packages, and use all three in-house (at least, in the Sydney office).

They also have a sister company, Turbosoft (that I work for, if you need
a disclaimer) which specialises in terminal emulation and communication
software over TCP/IP, and have their own Australian-built TCP/IP
software, and an email address (try info@abccomp.oz.au).

Paul Brooks        |Internet: pwb@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au
Uni. of N.S.W.     |          paul@abccomp.oz.au
Kensington NSW 2033| 
AUSTRALIA          |           Buy Australian
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.acs,aus.archives,aus.auug,aus.comms,aus.computers,aus.computers.amiga,aus.computers.ibm-pc,aus.forsale,aus.general,aus.mac,aus.mail,aus.news,aus.radio.packet,aus.wanted
From: mglew@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Michael Glew)
Subject: Re: PAX - Adelaide Public Access Unix - now online
Followup-To: mglew@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Michael Glew)
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:54:18 GMT

I'm looking for a Remote Unix host that would be willing to allow me
an account for a price within local telephone range of the Central Coast, NSW.
That includes the Central Coast itself, (043) prefix, east of Wiseman's Ferry
and North of Hornsby.  I'd like to hear from anyone with info via email
to
mglew@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au

Thanx in advance...

Regards,

	Mike.
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Internet:	mglew@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au
    Phone:	+61 43 841525

                     "I have a cunning plan..."	- Baldrick (Black Adder)
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     Michael Glew - School of Math Phys Comp & Elec - Macquarie University
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From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Request: public access UNIX sites
Date: 27 Dec 1992 21:38:53 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

I am currently preparing an FAQ list of publically accessible
internet-connected machines in Australia. If you'd like your machine
to feature in this FAQ please send details of your system including:

Name:           eg. zikzak.apana.org.au
Location:       eg. Melbourne
Dialins:        eg. 562-8814 (2 V22bis/MNP5 lines)
                    562-8813 (2 V32bis/V42bis lines)
Hours:          eg. no restrictions
Charges:        eg. no fees
Subscription:   eg. log in as "register"
Machine:        eg. Amiga 3000 running Amiga UNIX 2.1
Other services: eg. offering UUCP and SL/IP feeds to APANA members

This FAQ will be posted to aus.aarnet once in a while and aus.general
when it seems appropriate. I am hoping that this will encourage public
use of the internet and speed the growth of the alternative network in
Australia.

+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
|          -|-   Zik   -|-          | "Experience is what causes a person |
|     zik@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au    |  to make new mistakes instead of    |
|          Michael Saleeba          |  old ones" - unknown                |
+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
From: phil@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 23:24:37 GMT
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
Reply-To: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1h5q7eINNpnn@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au>, sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas) writes:

> My reaction after reading the full post was: "Hey, this guy is _right_!".
> In fact, I'll stick my neck way, way out and not only second this post,
> but add that 99% of the alt.* hierarchy is also junk and should not be
> permitted on AARNet.

But so is 99% of rec.  This is a point that I was trying to make when the
cencorship debate was raging.

Consider the 7 main heirachies:

   comp, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, talk

If you believe that alt should go, then so should rec, soc and talk, for
much the same reasons.  In fact while you are at it, why not get rid of misc
and a few of the sci groups.  Then consider that surely some of the comp
groups are not really of any useful research use...

Do you see where we are going?

Who is going to set themselves above the rest and claim the title of
net.police?

If you or your site do not like some groups, then *DON'T* *GET* *THEM*.


If you disagree with my arguments here, before you followup and flame me,
come up with a good reason why rec.pets.fish should be allowed on the
AARNet.


Regards,
Phil.

--
   _-_|\    Phil Kernick                        "Sleep all day,
  /     \   University of Adelaide               Party all night,
  \_.-*_/   E-Mail: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au    It's fun to be a
       v    Phone:  +61 8 228 5914               Vampire!"
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From: mikeh@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Michael Hore)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.acs,aus.archives,aus.auug,aus.comms,aus.computers,aus.computers.amiga,aus.computers.ibm-pc,aus.forsale,aus.general,aus.mac,aus.mail,aus.news,aus.radio.packet,aus.wanted
Subject: Re: PAX - Adelaide Public Access Unix - now online
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:51:27 +1100
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.42bis
NNTP-Posting-Host: kralizec.zeta.org.au


Lars writes:
>What's available in Sydney and surrounds?????

Try Kralizec.  $10 per month, no extra charge for first 10 hours
per month, $1 per hour above that.  Contact the sysop, Nick Andrew at
nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au.

--------------------------------------------------------
Mike Hore        Internet:    mikeh@kralizec.zeta.org.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.archives,aus.mac
From: davidw@its.CSIRO.AU (David Woodgate)
Subject: Interruption to Macintosh Shadows on archie.au
Originator: davidw@steps.its.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:45:42 GMT


The Macintosh partition is now full on archie.au. Because of
this, the Macintosh shadows ( UMich, Info-Mac and Eudora ) have
had their daily uploads disabled until the new disks arrive in
the new year.

Of course, all material currently there will continue to be
available. Only the daily mirrors have been disabled.

Many apologies for any inconvenience caused by this.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year ( full of new disk space! )
from the AARNet Archive Working Group.

					David Woodgate
					davidw@archie.au
From: sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 23 Dec 1992 06:11:22 GMT
Organization: Barr Smith Library, University of Adelaide, South AUSTRALIA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: library.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1h883lINNpuv@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>
>If you disagree with my arguments here, before you followup and flame me,
>come up with a good reason why rec.pets.fish should be allowed on the
>AARNet.
>
One, I would never flame anyone for giving an honest opinion. Indeed,
one of the reasons I find the alt groups so tiresome is the % of flames
to useful dialog. IMHO, flames are a waste of everyone's time.

Two, I have no wish to defend rec.pets.fish, or any other group in
particular. What the thread is about is whether *obviously* offensive
material should be propagated, and I think that we should be able to
make a rational and intelligent distinction between what is acceptable
and what is not: rec.pets.fish would probably not be offensive,
alt.sex.pictures certainly would be.

But, I concede your point, and maybe I did go a bit overboard.
Henceforth, I will defend to the death the right of others to read and
post absolute crap - OK?
Xref: sparky aus.aarnet:1271 aus.general:2496 aus.mail:236 aus.news:256
From: meetch@DIALix.oz.au (Mitchell Brandsma)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.general,aus.mail,aus.news
Subject: Re: PAX - Public Access Unix - now online
Date: 20 Dec 1992 09:19:41 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1

In <1992Dec17.155630.60983@qut.edu.au> weig@qut.edu.au writes:

>In article <andrewh.724565507@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au>, andrewh@cs.monash.edu.au (Andrew Herbert) writes:
>> rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) writes:> 
>> [re public-access unix systems]
>> 
>>>And what's available in Melbourne?
>> 
>> Two (the only two?) are:
>> 
>>     werple	888 1726 (V.32bis)
>> 
>>     zikzak	562 8814 (V.22bis)
>> 		562 8813 (V.32bis)
>> 
>> They receive a full news feed and have fast SMTP-transported mail through
>> APANA's full-time connection to the Victorian SLIP server.
>> 
>> Andrew Herbert
>> president, APANA	andrew@apana.org.au

>And anything similar in Brisbane?

	The intention of DIALix services it to have a machine in every large
population centre in aus.  Currently Perth and Sydney are covered, and once
Sydney takes off progress should move more rapidly onto Adelaide, Brisbane,
Melbourne etc etc etc.

	- Mitchell Brandsma (meetch@DIALix.oz.au :)
From: sthomas@library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Thomas)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 01:15:26 GMT
Organization: Barr Smith Library, University of Adelaide, South AUSTRALIA
NNTP-Posting-Host: library.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1992Dec22.085300.1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au> ryanph@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au writes:
> 
>       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>      
>          Pornography available via Internet News!
>
>       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
My initial reaction to this post was: "Oh no, here we go again - another
debate about censorship etc. etc.".

My reaction after reading the full post was: "Hey, this guy is _right_!".
In fact, I'll stick my neck way, way out and not only second this post,
but add that 99% of the alt.* hierarchy is also junk and should not be
permitted on AARNet.

[Actually, before anyone else suggests it, that "99%" is only a gut
feeling - I have not closely examined even 5%, but I can extrapolate
from what I have seen :-) ]

I think it is time that we, the AARNet users, took an honest look at
the alt.* newsgroups, and considered whether

	- they are offensive
	- they have any merit in a _research_ context
	- they contravene any legal statutes

i.e. basically do they meet the AARNet guidelines for acceptable use. If
the answer is no, then they should be eliminated.
From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Old news articles
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:05:36 GMT
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35
Originator: markus@octavia



Has anybody else (outside the A.N.U. preferably) noticed that some
quite old articles are appearing in the News ? Some comp.* and sci.*
articles have threads for which I never saw the original, until around
two weeks later (10-12 days is the most typical number). The articles
appear to come from well connected Internet sites. Is there some site
(my guess in the US) holding things up ?

Cheers
	Markus


-- 
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email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au
Australian National University, I-Block, PO Box 4, Canberra, 2601, Australia.
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
-- 
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email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au
Australian National University, I-Block, PO Box 4, Canberra, 2601, Australia.
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: root@cltr.uq.oz.au (Hulk Hogan)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:16:50 GMT

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
[deleted... but in summary, he said that although there is no hard evidence
 linking porn to sexual assault, and although the majority of people can
 handle it, the fact that some people can't, and as a result commit sexual
 assaults means we should voluntarily limit it..]

People who are mentally unhinged and likely to murder/rape whatever may
well well do it after viewing porn... but may also do it after viewing 
R-rated materials, or sex scenes in M-rated movies, or reading Playboy,
or Penthouse, or People, or the bible.  If we were to ban/restrict
everything in the society that can cause people who are unstable to
commit crimes, there would be little left.  The loonies will respond to 
ANYthing and EVERYthing, because they ARE unstable.

Just because knives are sharp doesn't mean no one should have them. 
Someone said to me recently,"porn makes good poeple better, and bad
people worse". I think she was right.

Put simply, I believe it's better to remove the unstable people from the
society, than to try remove all the items from the society that can
provoke the unstable people.

/\ndy
--
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Centre for Lang. Teaching & Research, 	UUCP: uunet!lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au!andy
University of Queensland,  St. Lucia, 	Phone: +61  7 365 6915 (Use 07 in Oz)
Brisbane,  Qld. AUSTRALIA  4072    	Fax: +61 7 365 7077    IRC: HulkHogan

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