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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GSHK v1.1 on comp.binaries
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:09:58 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <mattd-121092170420@city-lights.apple.com> mattd@apple.com 
(Matt Deatherage) writes:
>
>This is as good a place as any to alert folks to this:
>
>IF YOU FIND A SELF-EXTRACTING ARCHIVE IN BINSCII FORMAT, DO NOT UNBINSCII
>IT BEFORE MOVING IT TO AN APPLE II.
>

I did, and it worked fine.  

>
>Several people ran something like sciibin to turn the SEA back into a
>binary file on their internet boxes, and then used XMODEM or YMODEM to
>move the self-extracting archive to a IIgs.  It turns out that if you
>do this, XMODEM or YMODEM pads the file to a 128-byte boundary.  The
>System Loader then sees the garbage at the end of the file as "not a
>load segment" (which, of course, it isn't) and complains that something's
>wrong.
>

Understandable, and yet why should Xmodem or Ymodem pad a file to a 128
byte boundary?  I mean, if it did that to every file you transferred
with it, it'd be pretty worthless!

I used sciibin on Unix, and then downloaded via Zmodem.  No problems.

I think there is still something we are missing here..

>Matt Deatherage, Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.

OTOH, I still think this whole mess wouldn't have happened if the
SEA had been stuffed in a BII envelope (something to consider for future
transfer of SEAs).
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From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Was this a joke?
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:05:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.232442.50824@slate.mines.colorado.edu> gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC) writes:

>A while back someone posted a letter that contained this:
>
>!
>! 3. PC Transporter Turbo 14Mhz + 8087-2
>! 
>!  Applied Engineering PC Transporter (originally $800) with a 14 MHz
>!  8086/8 with the fastest 8087-2 (originally $200) with GS Installation
>!  kit    (originally $100) and MS-DOS v5.0 (originally $100) and Windows 3.1
>!  (originally $100) and America Online (originally $25) for the crazy low
>!  price of $250 (originally $1400)
>
>Was this another joke like a couple of other posts I have seen lately?

Let's see...just plugging in a faster CPU isn't going to make it any
faster.  Hell, the board comes with a V30...replacing that with an
8086 will only slow things down.  DOS 5...big deal.  Besides, you
can't buy that direct anyway.

Windoze on a PC Transporter?  If I'm not mistaken, Windoze 3.1
requires a 286 and EGA...the PC Transporter only does CGA and uses the
aforementioned 8086-compatible V30.  If you think Windoze is slow on
the 386/486 screamers coming down the line today, can you imagine what
it'd be like on a PC Transporter?  I'd sooner buy a Mac than install
Windoze on my clone (a 286-12).

AOL...again, big deal.  I got the Apple II signup disk from my user
group for free a couple of years ago (and have never used it :-) ).

This "deal" sounds as questionable as the one I spied recently in
misc.forsale.computers, where someone would "give" you his tape drive
(a 60- or 120-meg model, can't remember which) for "free"...if you
bought 12 tapes from him for $20 each.  I almost bounced a flame back
at the jerk for wasting my time...for $240, you could buy yourself a
new drive and some tapes to go with it.

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
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From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple stuff wanted
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:15:07 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I'm helping out a friend who wants to be able to jack into the net
from home.  I'm going to loan him my 64K Apple //e which is collecting
dust in the closet.  It needs some upgrading.

Wanted to buy:
  
1.  Super Serial Card or equivalent so I can hook up an
    external modem to an Apple //e.

2.  extended 80-column card or equivalent RAM expander for the //e.

Also:

Does anybody know if Sweet Micro Systems, the people who made the
Mockingboard sound & speech board for Apple II's, are still in business?
I need speaker connectors for mine.

Respond...
From: wedge@constitution.ucr.edu (John J. Wegis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: WANTED:  ImageWriter II Printer
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:16:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside


My sister is interested in purchasing a used, working ImageWriter II
printer for her Apple IIc.

Please send all replies to:    wedge@constitution.ucr.edu

Thanks.


John
From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  BostonFest News?
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:02:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

In <9210071512.AA08817@cxr_rs6000>
marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram) writes:

>Dan Muse is out... Don't quote me, but I believe Cynthia Field is in

Geez, that's the third name I've heard so far. Rumors are sort of like 
an octopus that keeps adding new legs. How far do you guys figure this 
one will get before someone clears things up for all of us? And is it
really true that Woz always wanted to run a computer magazine?

dcg ;>


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: richard@serss0 (Richard A Simm)
Subject: comp.sources.apple2
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:12:05 GMT

Does this newsgroup still exist? I posted some sources several weeks ago
and have yet to hear from the moderator.

Albert
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 Quit Paramaters Needed...
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:54:46 GMT
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <mattd-131092113216@city-lights.apple.com> mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.183012.5646@news.columbia.edu>,
>stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) wrote:
> 
>> 	Well, it seems my ProDOS 8 Technical Reference (Thanks for the
>> book, Dave!) is a little bit older than the rest, and it doesn't
>> document the ProDOS 8 quit call, or more correctly there wasn't a p8
>> quit call at the time.
>> 
>If Dave gave you the hardcover book, and I'll bet he did, it is in
>there.  It's just not in the MLI section for some reason.  It's in section
>5.1.5.2 (page 87 in the hardcover book).

	Actually, Dave gave me the older three ring punched version.  :)

>> 	At any rate, I'm writing a small system file, and I need to
>> know the P8 quit parameters...  The important thing is how to quit to
>> another application, and if there is a way to stack your app, so it
>> will be returned upon quit.
>
>You can only do this if you boot into GS/OS.  Here's a Q&A from AppleLink
>(and from the forthcoming Q&A Technical Notes):
[stuff about extended quit call deleted...]

	Okay, I want this to work without booting GS/OS.  David Empson
mentioned that I would have to replace the quit code.  Is there a good
way to do this?  Should I request some memory, an copy the quit code
to high memory, and then copy my quit code to replace it?  Is there a
MLI equivalent to launch?  It's been a while... 

	Shoot, I need my P8 tech ref.  :(  I guess I can't do this
until I get it, but your responses are appreciated.

	On the other hand, I'll I'm trying to do is write a small
system file, to shut down my TWGS, launch pt3, and restore the speed
upon quit.  Is there a P8 launcher that does something like this?  Or
maybe it is easier to write a Davex xcmd, and let it handle everything
with an alias.

>Matt Deatherage, Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.

Thanks to all of you who responded.

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stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
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Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Dos 3.3 FST
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:56:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <Bvz8KF.7B5@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T.
Mike Howeth) wrote:
> 
> You seem to be saying
> that unless a file can be transported from one filesystem to another and then 
> back again without losing information, then the less-capable filesystem does not
> need to be supported.  Well, fact is, there is at least one filetype where this 
> loss of information occurs between ProDOS and HFS right now.

Which file type are you thinking of?  The only ones I know of where auxtype
information is lost are those where the auxtypes are defined by Apple in 
such a way that it shouldn't matter.

It's unacceptable for a file to lose information in an FST operation.  It's
not acceptable to save a file to a disk just to have the same program
immediately refuse to reload it because it no longer has the right file
type
or auxiliary type or whatever.
> 
> |Formatting DOS 3.3 volumes requires that you have an Image of DOS 3.3
> |to place on them (to make them bootable).  Leaving this feature saves
> |quite a bit of memory.
> I assume you mean, saves quite a bit of disc space.  SO WHAT?  Let ME decide
> how much disc space my copy of the OS should take.

No, he means memory.  The image would have to be in memory in the DOS 3.3
FST, because FSTs can't make GS/OS calls (to read from disk) during GS/OS
calls.

> All that said, I agree with this.  But it's NOT because it's not feasable:
> it's because Apple refuses to adequately staff the GS/OS dev teams.  They
> simply don't have time to do everything that should have been done.

I don't even agree that it should have been done.

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Personal mail only -- please POST technical questions, questions about
Apple and its policies, where to find documents and related inquiries.
The opinions I express don't represent Apple, which makes us both happy.
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From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: MODZap fiasco?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:37:40 PST
Organization: BBS

I find it very stange that people will actually talk crap to you ( Ian ).  I am
not a fan of 4 track mods...  I mean, I rather see 15 track music for
SoundSmith/NT.

I am curious about what people had to say...  How can anyone complain about
freeware/shareware?  The point is that you can try 'em out.  But if you like
it, can you write a better one?

I do have one complaint about MZ & ST though, no resources!!  I like to edit
'em... hehe :)

Later!

frank m. lin
fmlin@terapin.com
cyprus systems
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: II+ ROM
Date: 7 Oct 1992 05:38:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

mauricio@maxwell.aero.ufl.EDU (Mauricio Tavares) writes:

>	2716, if I am not mistaken is an EPROM.

You are correct, it is an EPROM, but not a blank one. The data it has been
programmed with is a set of bitmaps, one for each character the text screen
can display. In the very early days of the Apple II, a 2513 character generator
ROM was used, hence the designation "ROM SPCL". I forget what point they began
using pre-programmed 2716's instead, but I know it was before revision 7 since
my original II+ was that and it used a 2716. I replaced it with custom 2716's
of my own a few times; it is neat to do everything in a totally different font
and still have the speed of the text screen. Any time you see "II+ lower case
character generators" being sold they are simply programming a 2716 with a //e
character set and selling it. I made one of those too; it's still in my II+.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Subject: Re: Orca bashing (was Re: Amrit, C/C++)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<uerics.719135119@mcl> <1992Oct15.144621.21197@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:33:24 GMT

I just had to respond to this one..
>I agree this is the main reason, but I also think Mike Westerfield
>doesn't have very warm feelings towards C - he is a Pascal-supporter.
	Yes, he does like pascal... However, he does NOT have anti-C
feelings or whatever.. In fact, Orca/C 2.0 is being worked on and
nothing about any Orca/Pascal 2.0 has been mentioned... From what I
hear Orca/C 2.0 will be out before next year and will be significantly
better then the previous version...

				Richard
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From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: memory card for //e style IIgs needed
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:54:51 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri Oct 09 92 at 06:51:08 (EST)

> From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
> I have an upgraded //e style IIgs which is in need of more memory. All the
> new memory cards I see don't look like they will fit in a //e case, because
> they are square in shape, not like the Apple 1 mb job, which has the top
> front  corner cut off. Can anyone out there recommend a card to try? I'd
> especially like one of those low buck Sequential cards if it will work.
 
Dunno. I'm using an AE GS Ram+ in my upgraded IIe/GS. Need to get a higher
power powersupply for it though (this //e thing just doesn't cut it).

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: MODZap fiasco?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:15:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.195808.8554@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

[ ]
>
>GNO won't do my Engineering homework.  A harddisk won't let me run AutoCAD or
>SilverScreen.  A 486 box will.  Therefore its much easier to justify the
>money for a 486 box than for the two toy items.

Now, now...let's keep things in perspective. I do hope you aren't referring
to the GS and/or GNO and/or your own GS work as toys. I would have thought
you'd have a better picture of things should that in fact be the case.
 
A lot of people around here have owned, used, etc...far more powerful computers
than the GS but still admire the very special characteristics of the GS.
 
It's easy to get carried away by all the hype in the computer industry. 
 
[ ]

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Choppy MODs
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:05:59 GMT

I'd be interested in hearing about this also...the difference Marc alluded
to is that older versions of MODZap handled the volume slide (A) command in
a way I thought was reasonable.  The newer, sT-ish ("choppy") MZ uses a literal
port of the ProTracker player code, so I'd assume this is correct...I'm not
entirely sure tho...someone with an Amiga lemme know.


-- 
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 I dig: Apple IIgs, Rush, Tiny Toons, Ren & Stimpy, Dave Barry, David Letterman
  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will" - Neil Peart
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 12+mhz is EASY!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 10:51:26 PST
Organization: BBS

Well, I am waiting on my new SRAMs... after that, I'll probably post what I had
to do... ( this really should be in the FAQ ).

One thing is for sure, if you want to get an engineering sample from WDC, they
will REQUIRE to send them a SASE $0.58 to get some necessary info.  They keep
track of who has received the info and they WILL NOT sell you a chip unless
you've done so.

If you're thinking about upgrading your twgs or zip, write them first.  The
articles are fairly informative and in good detail.  Not much info for the zip
owners though ( you still have to read it first... ).

From what I've done and other people's post, you really can't damage your twgs
by swapping the cpu and/or crystal.  The worst that can happen is the
"Transwarp GS failure screen" coming up or random crashed and lockups.  But
don't try something crash such as pusing your stock 7mhz chip to 12...  I don't
know what could happen.

Everything you do is at your own risk.  Please keep that in mind.

Write WDC at:

The Western Design Center, Inc.
2166 East Brown Road
Mesa, Arizona 85213
voice: 602-962-4545 ( pacific time )
fax  : 602-832-6442

I think you can also have them fax you the articles... ask first though.
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Questions!
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:41:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi, all! 

I'm a bit of a computer idiot, but i was wondering if there are any 
sound file players or GIF viewers avalilable for the II GS as freeware or
shareware.  If you know where i can get my hands on these types of things,
please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks!

JRjr
-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:26:24 EDT
From: Dr. John King Gamble Jr. <JKG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Need IIgs app. to unpack Mac archives WITH resource forks
 <92286.020014SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92286.020014SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu> says:


>It should extract the stuffit archive, and since it runs on the GS/OS desktop
>you SHOULD be able to save the resulting archive file directly onto an HFS
>volume.

Wasn't there a problem with programs like GSHK and GSCII+ when reading
and writing to HFS disks directly?

I really cannot remember, and really would like to. Because I don't,
I always save the output to a PRODOS disk and transfer with the Finder.
From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re : Need IIGS app. to unpack Mac archives with resource forks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:46:48 GMT

<SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu> writes

> It should extract the stuffit archive, and since it runs on the GS/OS desktop
> you SHOULD be able to save the resulting archive file directly onto an HFS
> volume.  NOTE: In order to do this you will also need Stuffit or Stuffit
> Deluxe for the Macintosh that you are going to unarchive this on!  Currently
> (at least as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, Andy!) ShrinkIt GS
> cannot unstuff a plain archive, it must have a MacBinary header.  It also
> cannot unstuff an archive made with Stuffit Deluxe!, so you really must have
> these programs to do the unstuff operation.
> 

	ShrinkIT GS before 1.1 could not unstuff anything in a macbinary  
header. Which was annoying so Andy put the ability to extract stuff out of
files with Macbinary headers in 1.1

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From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re:  BostonFest News?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:56:50 GMT


I think I screwed up big time, as I thought I was sending a private email,
and somehow my message was posted here in c.s.a2.

As I've said before, I'm just a freelancer to inCider, and really cannot
speak about policies, because to be truthful, I'm not always informed about
changes.

What I do know for sure is that Dan Muse is no longer the inCider editor,
and I already miss him big time. I also know that the new editor has taken
over, and he does have some changes in mind, but I sure don't know what all
those changes are, and seeing as he just took over less than 2 weeks ago, I
doubt that he knows what the changes are either.

Another thing I do know for sure is that my 'contract' (not that I even knew
I had a contract) has been extended another 6 months for both Shareware
Solutions and Grapevine. I also know that I just got another review assigned
to me yesterday.

I don't feel it's my place to really say anything more. After all, I'm not
an employee of inCider. What I was curious about was what the actual inCider
employees were telling people at BostonFest.

Do me a favor, and don't ask me any speifics, as that would really put me on
the spot. I'll plead the 5th. And, no, you cannot quote me on this.

(and, sorry for the typos. My "c" key is just about dead.)

Joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: memory card for //e style IIgs needed
From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:04:26 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

I have an upgraded //e style IIgs which is in need of more memory. All the new
memory cards I see don't look like they will fit in a //e case, because they
are square in shape, not like the Apple 1 mb job, which has the top front 
corner cut off. Can anyone out there recommend a card to try? I'd especially
like one of those low buck Sequential cards if it will work.

Randy Shackelford
cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (until I get my real username back)
From: AKARPENKO@ALBION.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: general questions
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:18:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I am having problems with executioner files.  I edit them before sending them to
   my computer (IIGS) or edit them after downloading.  Either way I get a beep
after a couple of lines then strings of characters about 10 characters long.
After about 1 minute I get a syntax error message.  It was mentioned in the
FAQ that another possibilty was changing the file type.  What is meant by
this?

Question 2: Do permanent initialization and termporary initialization go into
the /system/system.setup?

Question 3: I subscribed to Apple2-l last year and had files sent to me but
unsubscribed after finding I couldn't download off my school's VAX with my
software.  I have the necessary software and would like to resubscribe but
lost the instructions.  Does anyone know how to do this?
Thanks