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From: pierrot@milton.u.washington.edu (The Pierrot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:27:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul25.232742.25810
Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation Skutter Maintenance Team

In article <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:

>2) When the mention of Romulan Ale being illegal pops up Kirk says they are
>1000 light-years from Starfleet HQ. How long is this movie (their perspective)
>anyway? Even at Warp 10 it would take a full year to get 1000 ly and I doubt
>they were going that fast!

	I think he was just exaggerating, the same way I might say that
	a distant location is "a thousand miles away from here" even if
	it's actually considerably less than that.  His mention of a nice,
	even number is especially suspect.  I also doubt that Kirk WOULD
	use a precise distance when discussing the location of SFHQ with 
	the Klingons!
	  
>3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
>Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
>momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

	If you can find in a physics textbook what the composition of a 
	"phaser beam" is, I'll back you on that.  :)  Otherwise .... if it's
	some sort of charged particle beam, then it might indeed have mass.

>4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
>something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
>which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
>must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
>who is given credit for this quote.

	Yes, Sherlock Holmes is fictional -- but Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
	is not.

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From: linley@ada.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Other 24th Century TV Shows
Keywords: 24th, TV, miscellaneous
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:46:23 GMT
Followup-To: Other 24th Century TV Shows
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

[Stuff deleted]

What about Buck Rogers? Oh, sorry, that was the 25th century. 
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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: cloaking device
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Sam and John!

[sl]> This may sound simplistic but why hasn't the Federation created their
      own cloaking device? They had the Klingon version on their trip to
      Earth to save the whales. I assume they are able to takes things apart
      and copy them. Any Ideas?

They even got away with one in The Enterprise Incident, and it was functional.
Does anyone know, what happened to that one?

[jo] The Feds are supposed to have peaceful motives with nothing to hide, so
     a cloaking device would be considered a bit surreptitious.

Oh, would it? But they have one! I just saw it working on a planet's surface,
where poor Picard is believed to be a god! (The one with the vulcanoid
people.) It was used to hide the station.

[jo] Even if they couldn't build one, painting the ship black would be a good
     start...

Only if you look outside with your bare eyes. With sensors it would make no
sense.

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
From: graspkm@eng.auburn.edu (Kelly Morrison, (GRASP))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Putting minor errors in perspective...
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:33:10 GMT
Reply-To: graspkm@eng.auburn.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


   I don't know if anyone saw the TBS special on the Apollo program last week,
but one of the lines really caught my attention...
   It was during the Apollo 11 expedition. One of the astronauts was describing
his feelings about being on the moon and said that it was strange to realize that he was the only human being on the PLANET. 
   It'd be really interesting to see how the picky Trek newsgroup would flame the
REAL explorers... :)  :)  :)
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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:16:07 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

First of all, Guinan goes to the bottom of the list.  Given what little
we know about her race, I'm not even sure she's female.  :-)

As for Troi vs. Crusher, I think Crusher is better.  Not that Troi is
bad, but Crusher is better.  The only thing "hot" about Troi is that
sexy jump suit she runs around in.  Unfortunately, she doesn't have the
figure for it.  I would rather see Crusher in that suit.  We don't see
nearly enough of Dr. Beverly without the lab coat.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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From: elw@jaguar.sky2 (Ellis Workman, 1-157 Med Sci, 4-4435)
Subject: Re: Who was the guy in Star Trek 6???
Keywords: Christopher Plummer
Reply-To: elw@jaguar.sky2
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:56:38 GMT


If you ever saw 'Sound of Music' when you were a little kid,
Plummer played the father of all those scruffy kids that
Julie Andrews was attempting to teach to sing.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Roseanne Barr Arnold on TNG
Date: 25 Jul 92 08:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <12472@inews.intel.com>, dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy ~) writes:
> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

>> I hear that Roseanne Barr Arnold has been asked to play another of Riker's
>> lovers on an upcoming episode.  Anyone else hear about this?

> 	Yeah, and somewhere in that episode she's gonna scratch her
> crotch, spit on the comm panel, and sing the words to the TOS theme.

> 	"My LAAAAAAAAAVE is WAN-dring in STAAAAAAAR-flight....."

> 	Personally I think she's the only one who could do that song
> justice.


HEY! YOU FORGOT TO PUT *SPOILER* IN THE SUBJECT LINE!!!!


Oh, well, the cat is out of the bag now.  Roseanne uses the song to get
Riker in bed with her.  The love scene is done in 3-d.  Seven-eleven is going
to be giving away the special glasses the week the episode airs.

Terry
From: gfergus@alcor.concordia.ca ( Glenn Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Poker
Summary: Infrared transparent cards?
Keywords: poker, infrared transparent cards, Geordi
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:34:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <Brsu73.9zG@gtsi.com> rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>In article <BrqpnG.88@brunel.ac.uk> Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk (Abdul Q M Khaliq) writes:
>>Geordi undoubtedly has the ability to see everyone's cards, the
>>question is can he stop himself? In the 1st season story, Heart of Glory,
>
>This was all explained in the episode where Worf hurt his spine (title 
>unremembered because I don't memorize ones I hate). Geordi commented to
>Worf that Troi was bluffing, and that he shouldn't use infrared transparent
>cards. He also pointed out that he didn't look until after the hand was
>over (for him, at least).

	Okay, this has been bothering me since I saw that episode.  Geordi
mentions that they shouldn't use "infrared transparent cards" because he can
read them with his visor.  Now correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't infrared
refer to infrared radation, which Websters defines as "perceived as heat and
is produced by or causes changes in the vibrational and translational motions
of atoms and molecules".  In other words, it responds to heat...different heat
levels will produce different colour patterns on the cards. So is Geordi saying
that the clubs on a 2 of clubs card are hotter than the rest of the card, thus  
allowing him to read it?  One would think that the cards would be of uniform
heat, except in the places where they were last in contact with a person's
hands (heat from the fingers).  I don't see how this would give Geordi any
better insight into what cards his opponents are holding.            
	Anyone else have any ideas on this line?

Glenn Ferguson

  
>
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:37:10 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <0eRd_Dy00UhW01K_AA@andrew.cmu.edu>, Bryan Michael Kearney <bk1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) says:
> 
>>the senior officers in *Command* are male:  Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and
>>Worf.  The only 2 female bridge officers are a counselor and a doctor:  both
>>are in "caring" roles.  Don't get me wrong; I think that Dr. Crusher and Troi
> 
> 
> Now, if I am correct, does not Troi hold equal rank with that of Data? I
> dont know where the doctor fits in, but at least Troi is a senior
> Officer (assuming that Data is, and assuming that data is a man).

Yes, Troi is a Lt. Commander, but she is (most probably) in the Medical
Corps, and therefore not in the chain of command (events in Disaster
notwithstanding).  The only female characters in the chain of command
on the Enterprise we have seen have been (in chronological order)

1)  Number One, first officer under Captain Pike
2)  Rachel Garrett, captain of 1701-C
3)  Tasha Yar, Chief of Security 
4)  April (?) Shelby, first officer during the Borg crisis.
5)  Beverly Crusher, by default (nobody else was on board, and it was a
	"parallel universe" Enterprise anyway)

If you want to know why I think Troi took command in "Disaster" email me
and I'll tell you.


Personally, I think Joanne Linville, who played the Romulan Commander in
"Enterprise Incident" would make a terrific new captain.
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From: kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:25:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.230952.21772@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>
[interesting thoughts about each player deleted]
>
>In honest competition, Data still would dominate.  He could maximize
>his hands through probability.  Troi/Geordi come in second by taking
>clues about bluffing.  Riker is a not so distant fourth by sheer
>savvy.
>
>I think the writers made an excellent decision by introducing poker
>to the show.  It's quite interesting comparing each of the
>characters.  Much better than Klingon's heads.

Well, how about including Worf, Picard, and Crusher into the game?  Ok, let's
rephrase the problem:

In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the final
ranking be?

Kenward Chin
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Klingon home world
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:14:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.113510.1422@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> msears@mta.ca writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.165923.23395@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>>> >>     I got the impression, either from the old series, or one of the early
>>> >>     novels, that the name of the Klingon home would is, "Klingus".
>>> >> 
>>> >That would be Klingland.
>>> 
>>> Gee, and I was positively convinced that the homeworld was called
>>> "Camp Kling-a-wee" in episode #68.
>>
>>Right.  Colonel Klingus was that guy on Hogan's Heroes.  Or do I
>>have that confused with something that belongs on another newgroup?
>>If so, sorry.
>>
>>GMS

>Sorry GMS but the colonel's name was Colonel Klink, not Klingus.

Oh, brother.  The humor impaired.


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From: joes@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Joe Schulingkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Putting minor errors in perspective...
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:21:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp., Great Valley Labs, Paoli, PA.

In article <1992Jul27.173311.3149@ducvax.auburn.edu> graspkm@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>
>   I don't know if anyone saw the TBS special on the Apollo program last week,
>but one of the lines really caught my attention...
>   It was during the Apollo 11 expedition. One of the astronauts was describing
>his feelings about being on the moon and said that it was strange to realize that he was the only human being on the PLANET. 
>   It'd be really interesting to see how the picky Trek newsgroup would flame the
>REAL explorers... :)  :)  :)


I believe some astronomers maintain that, because of the relative sizes
of the Earth and Moon, the Earth/Moon system is really a double planet
system.  A true moon would be much smaller that its primary (Jupiter
and its moons) and not have much effect on its orbit.  The Earth
and Moon, if I recall, actually orbit a point that is located
somewhere inside the Earth but not at its center.

How's that for some CoverYourA__?  :-)

Maybe some of the REAL astronomers out there can help.
Is Tim Lynch still out there?


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From: SJOSEPHS@130.187.183.14 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON)
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:08:04 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Jul27.165024.15990@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu writes:

> 
> In a previous article, schamber@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) says:
> 
> >In article <1992Jul25.124939.2056@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
> >>
> >>Come to think of it, I can't recall one time when I saw Worf win.
> >>I thought Klingons were the warriors of warriors.
> >
> >What about "Reunion" (the TV episode, not the book)?
> >
> >He killed Duras... but of course, his opponent was another Klingon... ;-)
> 
> Sadly, yes, I realized my mistake, but I was able to rationalize it
> as you did...  :)
> -- 
> 
>                         [currently under construction]
> 
>
Tis sad, but true, Worf does get his ass handed to him far frequently. 
Sometimes it makes a little sence - Worf is no match for Data. But what about
Admiral Quinn when he had an infestation of smart-lice? He should still have
been no match for Worf. There was one scene in I can't remember which episode
where the bad guy was making a run for the door when it opened and there was
Worf.  Worf fended off his rush with a fairly casual gesture, more of what one
might expect.  What surprises me as well is that, when Worf does fight, he
*fights*.  A warrior, particularly one with responsibilities, doesn't fight, he
_wins_.  There is a difference.

Josephson 
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Take 2 aspirin & call me in......
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:50:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.081821.4767@gw.wmich.edu> adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
>
>Two weeks ago I saw an episode (cannot remember the name) where we found
>an elderly couple left on a destroyed planet.....

The episode was called the "Survivors".


>What is bugging me is the music that gave Troi such a headache. What was
>the significance of the music?  The dear old all-powerful fellow left the
>bridge, came back and said something like, "She is all right now." So???
>Why was that particular music from the planet's surface bothering her?


The music was being used as a "psychic block", if you will.  Kevin knew
that Troi would be able to sense that he was not who he claimed to be
and that his wife didn't even literally exist.  The incessant music
prevented her from being focused enough to sense anything about him.

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Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 16:27:45 EDT
From: Jennifer F. Murphy <JENNY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Emmy Nominations for NE, QL and ST:TNG
 <1992Jul21.140304.20285@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>

Patrick Stewart wasn't nominated because Science Fiction shows
aren't deemed worthy for consideration by the nimwits who do the
nominating.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine and BABYLON 5
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:19:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.173655.27354@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.050820.4900@anasazi.com> bob@misty.UUCP (Bob Carroll) writes:
>
>Babylon 5 (IMHO) will be much more technically correct than DS9.  They are
>creating a universe with planets of different sizes, atmospheres, gravities,
>etc... None of this "All the planets are the same size and have the same 
>gravitational force--All the species breath oxygen/nitrogen"

Then I applaud the fiscal division of the Babylon 5 production team.
I'm eager to see actors walking upon the surface of planets with
different gravitational forces.  It'll be fun to see them crawling on
the ground because of the increased G-forces or flying through the air
due to the lack of them.  I also enjoy seeing space dramas acted out in
space suits in a much more realistic fashion.  It's so much more
technically correct.


>The different species will also have different languages.  None of this 
>universal translator stuff.  I don't *THINK* they are goind to be using
>subtitles either--have to wait and see.

Wow.  Here's something else that's always really bothered me about Star
Trek:  the crew are always able to communicate with the races that they
encounter.  This is completely unrealistsic.  I'd prefer to see aliens
grunting at the main characters without being able to understand them.
It's so much more realistic.  Thank god that the creators of Babylon 5
have the integrity to stay away from subtitles as well.


>As for the animation side:  Using a network of Amiga/Video Toaster setups
>they can do more complete and realistic looking planets, ships, and
>space stations than Paramount can do with models.

Yes, we all know how shoddy the special effects have been for TNG.  Why,
I'll bet that the production team from "Buck Rogers" could produce
better effects, and more realistic looking ships!  Let's face it,
physical models are the technology of the past in the SFX world.  Onward
with Amiga-based effects. 


>There is a whole article about the animation part of Babylon 5 in the July
>issue of Video Toaster User.  They talk about how, if they were to build
>a model with as much detail as the Babylon5 computer model, it would take
>up *5* soundstages!  The space station (in the show) is over 5 kilometers
>long.  Plus (and they have demonstrated this in a preview)  They can 
>seamlessly put live actors in with the animation (ie an exterior shot of
>the station with actors moving around in a window)

Gee, I hope it's better than the cheezy seemless insertion of live
actors into the rear window of the Enterprise that we see in the opening
credits of TNG every week.



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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 00:38:19 GMT


In a previous article, cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) says:

>I just rewatched STVI:TUC on home video and was able to analyze certain things
>a little better in my home that I was unable to do at the theater. Maybe some
>of you can answer them:
>
>3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
>Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
>momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

I assume you meant when they were shot.  When the skin is broken, the
pressure inside the body forced the blood out, and to compensate, the
body was moved backwards.  Sounds reasonable...

>4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
>something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
>which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
>must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
>who is given credit for this quote.

I wouldn't go so far as to assume that Doyle was an ancestor of Spock.
That is the kind of stretching this board seems infamous for.  It seems
much more reasonable to pass it off as a universal truth.  Why should
it be so surprising that two seperate people said the same thing?
-- 

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