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From: lindaa@omen.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Where's Rikiya?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 06:51:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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Sorry to take up bandwidth with this message, but I've been 
trying to communicate with Mr. Asano for two days, but all  
messages are returned with the notation that the account has
been disabled.

I've been reading the postings regarding his account, including
his messages, and I'm completely baffled (no jokes please!).

Can anyone tell me what's going on?
-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
   $  lindaa@info.Berkeley.EDU	$      crazy thing!!!"                    $
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From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Miyazawa's comments on Pres. Clinton.
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:54:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfDtD9m00iUx82JIoe
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Freinds,

.

         Could you imagine what funny it was to me to hear that ldp
prime minister Miyazawa said that the Bill Clinton thing was full of hot
air and that it would die out. Maybe he is too old to know that he
insulted the American people.(Change will die out) This is funny to me.
You know what even more funnier? That Mr. Miyazawa has nothing to do
except cooment on the presidency
of Mr. Bill Clinton-Negatively at that. Aren't you worry about losing
you job next election? You are making it bad for a Japanese citizen over
here. Bush didn't get a chance to throw-up on everybody ya'know! Now,
that I think about it
the ldp and the gop have alot in common. They both favour that 1% of the
middleclass. The screw the poor! Money first and the law second! ya'
know.

Mr. Miyazawa, I can assure you that if Billy ever runs out of "Hot Air"
his wife
won't and certainly, not Al Gore! And, his new and semi-diversed
cabinet, I don't think that these people will runs out of steam. I tell
you what hold your
breathe.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fitz@Cadence.COM (Daniel Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:42:09 GMT

In article <1gb31hINNk1a@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:
>In article <Bz3zK9.un@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu 
>
>IMHO, Russian youths kick-shiri on American kids in math and science on
>an average basis.  So do the Japanese, and just about everybody in the
>developed world.  The Russians lack a poli-econ system in which to
>prosper under.  
>
>America in fact IS headed for the gutter and the youth are going to take
>us there.  I still think the true geniuses will succeed, but their will
>be even more disctinction between the haves and the havenots.  I don't
>think visions of the future like in the movie BladeRunner are that far
>off.  It's a paradigm thing, and the bottom line is that American youth
>are lazy and poorly educated in math and science.  Akio Morita of Sony 
>recognized that the key to economic success was technology and manufacturing.
>We can throw a little greed into it for incentive.  The only consolation is
>that Japanese youths are fast becoming just like American youths,
>spoiled, lazy and materialistic.  They'll be following us into the
>gutter unless the monbusho decides to take action. 
>

There is a fair amount in the above paragraph that I could waste bandwidth
arguing about, but what, IMHO, I found irksome was the statement:

>America in fact IS headed for the gutter and the youth are going to take
>us there.

This American youth do not grow up in a vaccum.  How a person acquires
ones' values and learned behaviors is a complex process highly dependent
upon their environment.  You can read this as meaning that the values
and behavior that the American youth you are familar with is largely
acquired from the values of their parents and those reflected by society 
at large.

Any youth should not be considered the cause/source of a problem but 
as a key and central to the solution of the problem you describe.

If any of this discussion belongs in soc.culture.japan, it might only be
the parallels one could draw between the developmental history of Japan
and America and the changing social attitudes brought about.

--Dan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: psychedelic haiku
Date: 2 Jan 1993 07:30:28 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

They say that a million monkeys on a million typewriters can eventually produce
hamlet, but my computer can spit out 5 haiku in one second!  ha!


ritahereta
penarakuyahame
zoregogodo

seshihemiru
shajobobepigochu
yamutebayu

zotozuguyu
gezuuhogenuche
ezuhokawa

chusachinura
nibomumoesoru
pekedanumi

najaeshopi
gizanibizedayo
pidesohasu
From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:59:24 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu
Keywords: rape of nangking

In article <C0001M.AAF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu 
(Achenoriko-Tang) writes:

  >I have to disagree with you here.  What is more important is that
  >the descendants of those victims be educated sufficiently so that
  >they can wait for the right opportunity for just revenge.
					       ^^^^

"Just" Revenge?  Are you serious?  I know my .sig is somewhat humourous
but my post was indeed meant to be taken seriously.  If you are serious,
what do you define as "just" revenge?  To go back and brutalize somebody
else whose grandparents did things they didn't know about and most
likely wouldn't agree with?  That's like asking me to pay back the loan
on some lousy investments that my uncle twice removed made.  I had no
choice in determining the past.  I only have a choice in determining the
future. I cannot be held responsible for the loan, but I can be held
responsible for not making any more bad investments.

  >The only language that certain races in this world understands
  >is the language of brutality.  To prevent incidents like the rape
  >of Nanjing from ever happening again, you must make it very clear
  >to others that if you hit me with a stick, I will pulverize your
  >brain with a hammer.

An which races might those be?  How easy it must be for bigots to lump
all persons of one race into a generalized category.  It's easier
because it takes less brain cpu power than trying to understand and
judge each person individually.  Don't get me wrong...I'm no bleeding
heart.  It's just that it's very difficult to separate the wheat from
the chaff and your grand attempts to pulverize somebody else's brain 
with a sledge hammer had better not stub an innocent toe.  Besides,
the true victims as well as the criminals are mostly dead or old now, 
and it is not for you or I to take upon ourselves a holier-than-thou,
my-family-suffered attitude as if we were truly victims ourselves.  It
brings to mind images of the distant relatives that descend like
vultures upon the estate of a recent deceased, each trying to claim a
share in an estate which they had little if any share in building.  It's 
a pathetic excuse to use blood relations for greed; and it's just as
pathetic to claim right of vengeance for the same reason.

Jaa, James
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From: kanai@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Yasuhisa Kanai)
Subject: Information Sought on Sawako Ariyoshi
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:51:38 GMT


	A friend of mine is doing some research on a Japanese author,
Sawako Ariyoshi.  I have listed three of her works that have been 
translated into English.
	The Twilight Years 	(Kokotsu no Hito)
	The Doctors Wife	(Hanaoka Seishu no Tsuma)
	The River Ki		(Ki no Kawa)

	Now her questions are	

	(1)  Why the book that dealt with inter-racial marriages titled
	     "Hishoku?"  The word, hishoku, is not in a standard Japanese
	     dictionary.  In Japanese it's written as
			/--,
  		-| |-	,-,-,
		-| |-	|-'-'
		-/ |-	\___/

	(2)  She heard that some of the medical instruments Hanaoka Seishu 
	     (the doctor in the aforementioned book) used are displayed
	     in a museum in the United States.  We would like to know
	     where it is.

	(3)  If you have read any of Ariyoshi's works in translation,
	     she would like to know your opinion about it.


	We would appreciate any lead.
					Y. Kanai
					(kanai@henry.ece.cmu.edu)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: Rie Miyasawa
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.050742.11115@netcom.com>
	jturley@netcom.com (James Turley) writes:

>Lucky Wakahanada! My question is: just how do they do it?

The lucky guy is not Wakahanada. It's his brother, Takahanada.
Be careful. And an answer to your question is:



	Takahanada is not disgusting fat body like Konishiki.
	So you don't have to worry. They do as you do. ^_^;

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:33:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.222643.27051@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jcliu@euler.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu - Nucl. Engin. UC Berkeley) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.195251.7178@island.COM> fester@island.COM 
>(Mike Fester) writes:
>
>>Pity. I don't normally see any point in ripping any foreigner for non-mastery 
>>of any language.
>
>What I mean by "rip" is that I simply correct their English.  I kindly 
>inform them what they should have spoken.  They appreciate it usually and
>I do notice improvement.  Unless you correct a non-native's speech, he/she
>will be slow to improve.
>
>>By "indistinguishable", I mean that there is nothing to distinguish them from 
>>those born and raised in China. Most likely, that would mean a Beijing accent,
>>as that is what most US universities teach.

My ex-roommate was from Hong Kong, and spoke Mandarin and Cantonese. A former
girlfriend of mine was from Beijing. Another former girlfriend from Hong Kong.
ALL of them have met non-Chinese who spoke without a trace of non-Chinese 
accent; some in LA, some in SF. I've had Korean friends tell me the same thing
about some Americans and/or Europeans they've met.

>in his 80's.  I have yet to meet a gaijin who speeks Nihongo with an
>indistiguishable accent.

I've met four, and again, when I answered the phone at my company, the caller
couldn't tell it was me. I also had a very difficult time convincing (over the
phone) Inogashira police that I was NOT Kojima-san, and consequently the bicyclethey had recovered was not mine. I finally had to go down to the police station
to convince them.

Accents are not really that hard to pick up. Nothing special about Asian, Ameri-can, or European accents.

Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - Oh come on! You didn't think I was serious, did you?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:08:07 GMT

In article <42855@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
>Ah... racism again. ^_^ Hmmm... about the situation of 'Japanese
>only' signs around Yokosuka and the embassies... It IS a form of
>discriminization based on your race - if you have blond hair and
>blue eyes, you are looked upon disfavorably. BUT! I think in some
>ways it is just the easiest way for the owners of these
>establishments to avoid past experiences of foreigners acting bloody
>rude in their shops. 

Could not establishments in the US therefore be equally excused for a policy
of "We had a problem with a few blacks/latinos/Asians/whites/people wearing
leather jackets in the past, so it is simpler for us to exclude all of them, 
rather than targetting those misbehaving indiviuals"?

> I do NOT mean to flame the military or
>government workers (heck, my father is military) but I must admit
>that I HAVE seen a lot of base workers misbehaving around the
>Yokosuka area. Since Japan is a more or less racially homogeneous
>place, they quickly make the leap that "foreign looks like those
>guys that had the brawl in here last week, so we won't let 'em in
>just to be safe".
>	I think that one can get around this by demonstrating some
>Japanese ability or dressing nice, or whatever. Actually, I feel

However, what if you are a tourist and have no Japanese ability? Is it
therefore alright for this afore-mentioned shopowner to discriminate?

>sorry for those people stationed at Yokosuka or wherever who are
>very decent people, who want to learn about and live in Japan but
>who are harmed by the behavior of others there.
>	When confronting a situation that says 'Japanese only' or an
>attitude of 'I know you will shoplift, you're foreign', I am not
>only saddened that these attitudes exist in Japan, but also
>downright FURIOUS at the idiots who go over there and shoplift or
>otherwise make trouble, and cause ME to get the punishment of their
>actions. A minority of people quickly wrecks things for everyone.

A quick note: in a Japanese class I was taking, one of the students was a 
68 year-old retiree, who was part of the Occupation of Japan. He says the
"No foreigners" signs were up almost the same day the forces entered Japan.
My grandmother-in-law says that "Japanese only" signs were up in Kochi BEFORE
the occupation troops got there. 

And somehow, I get the feeling you would not be quite so understanding of those
(eg) white shopowners who would exclude (eg) blacks because "They have a bad
reputation". 

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally deficient, weak
willed, inconsequential, namby pamby tool of some vaguely defined conspiracy, 
or b) my wife.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Article _Science News_ "Blame Elvis for Japan's competitiveness"
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 14:30:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.042744.21369@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>[reference to '50s electronics deleted, but...]
>Archaeologist Michael Schiffer of the University of Arizona based 
>the above on research done by studying ...

Gee, has the '50s already become a subject of Archaeology?  :-)

-YH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: harigaya@etl.go.jp (Kikuo Harigaya)
Subject: Re: Don't this sound like Japanese....
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Reply-To: harigaya@etl.go.jp (Kikuo Harigaya,,,Bussei-kiso)
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:20:19 GMT

On 01/01/93(16:59) robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) wrote
in <1i0tknINNs8a@agate.berkeley.edu> (soc.culture.japan:22075/etlss2):
 |Check it out!  I made a program that generates random Japanese words, it
 |sounds an awful lot like Noh....
 |
 |tahe tape ra ku hame regogodo shi
 | miru shajo bepigo yamu ba zoto guyugezu
 |  ho nuchee hokawachu chi ra bo mumo
 |   so peke danu naja sho pigi nibizeda
 |    pide ha be tesuhi tochiga n yo
 |     bejizo yoni shochonuku senu shazogumo ruke mise
 |      powapo zu guchu tuhapu chi wachi shayu
 |       ne ze mo michamu sosha cha bo
 |	bijicho tasho nokodo ye bisu mo ramu
 |	 saru gicha cheno chajaji ju tataha reete
 |	  mu rurose eumo ishumo zochosa bo iguye
 |	   teki so echona sha shazu ose ja
 |	    shishuemi ko ku ju setaki gukoso u
 |	     zuuko hei gerita jarabo niosha rapin rache
 |	      ojako chua turi mupepi yeito ratunoma egebo
 |	       nushubu ga owo nurera mitosa teyo ridoyu
 |		pochuru hoa yotasore hemi yo te natuye
 |		 banua miku nemire kumoba ju shu ni
 |		  bibi to yochike gari jakopa gibi yabashu
 |		   wananu shiki ka buzesho michuzujo chebu hibi
 |
Huuumu ...... This sounds like Japanese ..... But I cannot understand
meanings .......Atarimae ka.......



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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Pheromones and Nihon Otoko (was Re: yellow cabs")
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:38:46 GMT

isc30176@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:

>: A while back, NOVA, a PBS science program had a program on smell.
>: They showed how pheromones have profound effect on insects and
>: some mammals.  The program did not however go too deeply into its 
>: effect on humans. They did touch on the sychronization of menstral
>: periods experienced by female roommates, presumably due to these
>: chemicals.  So there is definitely some truth to this subject.
> 
>True true.  BBC's Supersense also mentioned it.  Unfortunately humans
>are not that deep into scents as the animals.  Oh, and the 'sexual
>stimulent' scent from armpits comes from the wasteproducts of
>micro-organisms living off the sweat, curiously enough.

Interesting ... I'm not 100% sure but I think the pheronomes don't
smell even though they covary with things that do.

>: BTW, how DO makers of "musk" cologne (so highly recommended by
>: Mr. Liu) get their ingredient.  Do they collect sweat from some
>: husky, sweaty guys?  May be they use other male animals, like
>: bulls, to increase production and reduce costs.

>I've never smelt "musk" cologne before, but the very much treasured real
>musk scent comes from the male musk-deer.  So be careful next time you
>go to central Asia.

And in the case of some experiments (for scientific, not commerical
purposes) they did indeed collect sweat from sweaty guys ... not
sure how husky they were :-)

Going back to the original topic, IMHO Japan is a "pheronome free
zone".  Don't know why but smells of many (all?) kinds have low
value. Thus most people practically boil themselves each night in
the ofuro (me too :-) and women wear relatively little perfume.

This last part is OK with me because I am hyper-senstive to
aromatics of all kind. When I'm around them (as in a woman with
heavy perfume) my face starts itching, breaking out in a rash,
and if it's in the sunshine my nose get extraordinarily red.

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,misc.invest,misc.entrepreneurs
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Kodak vs. Fuji (was: DOES AMERICA SAY ...)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.203040.21327@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>>Reminds me of how Pampers completely headed off Japanese competition. 
>
>>They entered the Japanese market in the late 70s, and dominated it, being the
>>only one of its kind. Several Japanese manufacturers moved into the area, and
>>took significant market share, knocking Pampers to about 20%. Instead of 
>>selling (as they were advised to do), they did some market research, developed
>>a diaper that, while not quite as good by our standards (much thinner, but
>>slightly less absorbant), was better suited to the Japanese household. And, not
>>being part of any distribution system, they did not have any extensive markups,
>>and could keep their prices lower than their Japanese competition. Result: 
>>Pampers now (as of 1989, that is) has a 55% share of the market in Japan. 
>>More important to them, they are keeping the Japanese so busy in their home
>>market, they have yet to enter the international market as any sort of force.
>
>	Having just come back from a week plus in Japan when diapers were an
>	issue of overwhelming importance, I must report that Pampers is the
>	most expensive of all the diapers.  It is only a little more expensive
>	than most of the others, but it is 2 times as expensive as the cheapest.
>	The quality of the cheapest is such that one would be better off using
>	the "Yomiuri Shimbun" instead. Pampers in Japan is over 2 times the cost
>	of Pampers in the US.  All my wife's friends envied her for having a
>	husband who insisted on Pampers - possibly they didn't know I was doing
>	most of the changing of baby. Long and deep conversations were held on
>	this issue.

Hmm. When our oldest was in diapers in Koganei, Pampers was the cheapest (about
2 years ago) of the four brands available. Perhaps Pampers is now following 
the lead of the Japanese stereo manufacturers; having effectively dominated 
the competition, it is now time to boost the prices :-)

>	For some reason, diaper services that handle cloth diapers are unknown
>	in Japan.

Couple of problems; most Japanese have washers in their homes/apartments
already (Japanese own, per capita, MORE washers but fewer dryers than 
Americans), so there is less incentive to pay someone else to wash your diapers
and keeping smelly diapers around for 24 hours in a small apartment while 
awaiting the daily diaper man is NOT an attractive option.

>	I can't help feeling there's some restriction on paper product imports,
>	or else the US disposable diaper makers would "clean up" the market
>	there. ;)

I believe the Pampers in Japan are domestically manufactured. Where the wood
comes from, though, is probably SE Asia.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally deficient, weak
willed, inconsequential, namby pamby tool of some vaguely defined conspiracy, 
or b) my wife.
From: Ray_L_Curry@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Eigo kara nihon go no jisho
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:28:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Having spent the last year and a half studying the Japanese language, I'm
finding one of the biggest handicaps is the English to Japanese diction-
aries.  What I would like would be one that gives the Japanese word in 
Kanji with an accented kana pronunciation guide.  I have looked a a large
number of dictionaries at Kinokuniya without finding even one that's even
close.  So I thought I would ask the collective wisdom of the net.  Has
anyone seen a dictionary such as this?
  Kotae kara domo arigato gozaimasu.
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