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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:17:34 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Zahir, a test of the media

Jon,

I said, I repeat....the media will not "break" a story or give much
publicity damaging to the interests of those in power (the new
administration and the major corporations).... and often build up
positive pictures so these same people can benefit....

I have given you people (Bentsen, McClarty) and Senator Orrin Hatch
(BCCI) whose role in the BCCI scandal is not out in the major media
but was reported.... Testimony in the trial of Mike Tyson and the
Kennedy kid was reported and discussed in detail.... interesting testimony
in the trials of Clair George (ex- CIA chief) and Noreiga was kept out
because it pointed out the administrations shenanigans... Larry King
had the attorneys of both Kennedy and Tyson on his show, was
Noreiga's attorney brought out and interviewed....

There are all sorts of examples available.....

The people of this country, like a mother of her son, wants to hear
only "good stuff" about its leaders and the media obliges....well,
I don't think that is the role of journalists.....

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:04:09 -0500
From:         Username was LODEESEN <LODEESENJ@ADMINB.RFERL.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Media/communicatioons

Zahir's methods of inspection and the conclusions he draws speak for themselves.
No commentary is required from me.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:57:46 -0700
From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Media/communicatioons

Thank you, whoever you are, for replying about the messages I've been
sending to Zahir.  But I have no idea who you are because my mail
system strips off the "original sender" line when I get a message
from a list.

At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, could I ask that people
please sign their messages, for those of us who have no other way
of knowing who sent them unless the sender's name appears in the
message itself?  No fancy logos or long addresses, etc--just a
name?

Thanks in advance.

Janet
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:21:46 -0800
From:         BERYL BELLMAN <BBELLMAN@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU>
Subject:      irene

I am doing some work in the area of refugee and political asylum, and
recently learned about the IRENE netowrk sponsored by the United Nations
High Commission on Refugees in Geneva... it is used by some gov't as
well as NGOs... anyone have any more info on it or experience using it?
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:40:03 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: Re: Media/communicatioons

Janet,

I wonder if you need any help recognising where a message is coming from..
Because if you do know it, you do not have to read it....and you can just
"del" anything from Zahir....

I also think freshman and there rheoteric are welcome here... or is this
only for grads (I am a grad)....

I know some of you do not want to believe or see anything that does not
jive with your ideas....but please try not to shut up those you disagree
with.....let us be....

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:49:00 EST
From:         PDAVIS@LIUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Bill "I have a dream" Clinton

As an African-American, this army thing looks strangely familiar. They did
not even want us to fight wars with them.  The solution during the
world wars was to setup separate fighting units. The result was that
African-Americans were not fully integrated into the military until
sometimes latter.  We have still not been fully integrated into the society
at large.

Fortunately, separate but equal has already been ruled unconstitutional.

"A threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." ML King Jr.

Peace,


Phil
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Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:49:19 GMT
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In a previous article, MFTAN@EMERSON.BITNET () says:

>For all who celebrate this occasion, have a HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS CHINESE
>NEW YEAR. "GONG XI FA CHYE!"  It's the Year of the Rooster.
>
Thanks - many Americans who wouldn't ordinarily celebrate Chinese New
Year are doing so this time.  The US Postal Service just issued Year
of thr Rooster stamps - bright red, with funky roosters [ what else]
on them.  Stamp collectors  have been gobbling them up for weeks now.:-)
No one else seems to have noticed them, after all the Elvis hoopla.
Their loss.:)
-- 
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:14:41 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Time to introduce yourself!

Hi  Dave,

Wanted to let you know I spent some 11 years working at Cal State,
Fresno and San Bernardino..... Know Dr. El Ahraf quite a bit...great
man.... he helped me get the position at CSUSB....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:07:21 -0800
From:         ANNA VONDIELINGEN <AVONDEIL@BESTLA.CALSTATELA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: President Clinton

zahir, don't forget that this is a representative government and if all or
at least MOST of the people would vote the government would work much better.
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From:         Dave Nasatir <nasatir@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Democracy or no

Dougl
I don't know about how things work in Canada, but my Congressional
Representative, Ron Dellums,is a black man, generally identified
with the "left", (actually considered to be wild revolutionary
by some of his peers in congress)now about to become chair of
the house Armed Services Committee.  Prior to his election to
congress, he was on the Berkeley city council.  I think if
you were to ask his constituents (which, of course, we just did
last November) you would find a truly broad spectrum of support
for him -- because he does well by his constitutents!

        Dave
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:23 -0800
From:         MATTHEW HARDY <MHARDY@BESTLA.CALSTATELA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: President Clinton

Why do you believe Bush is getting the scapegoat treatment? It would seem that
in some circles he is getting evaluated on his record. While in some circles he
 ( possible those who were effected by the S.&L. ) was getting blamed for his so
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:58:09 -0800
From:         SHERYL TERESA RICHARDS <SRICHARDS@BESTLA.CALSTATELA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: HELLO, LIST MEMBERS

I joined this list because as a person who is considered one of the diverse cult
 ures on my campus, I think it is very important to communicate with each other.
  If you have any questions for me ask.
Sheryl Teresa Richards (African American)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:00:06 CST
From:         nli1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Time to introduce yourself!

>I am David Williams from Brigham Young University.  I joined XCULT-L with
>hopes of finding others interested in cross-cultural inquiry (mostly
>qualitative).  I am particularly interested in service learning in
>international settings.  That is, what can one learn while offering service
>to others in settings beyond their home territory.  I subscribed about two
>weeks ago and haven't seen much of this kind of thing in people's entries.
>Has such discussion gone on before?  Are any of you aware of service
>learning inquiry you could point me toward?  I find the railings against
>various governments and perceived majority positions interesting but I am
>looking for something constructive to do about the many problems and hope
>to learn about some of those here.
>David D. Williams    Instructional Science Department
>201-C MCKB    Brigham Young University    Provo, UT 84602
>Voice:  801-378-2765      Fax: 801-378-4017
>Internet: willd@yvax.byu.edu. Bitnet: willd@byuvax.bitnet

David, as you may know, there is a net for qualitative research (QUALRS-L
<QUALRS-L@UGA.BITNET) and one for learning theory (xlchc: you subscribe by
sending e mail to: xfamily@ucsd.edu), both of which are excellent. There is
also a social work list, which is not too active, and a list for computer
applications in the social science,s which ends up having a lot that might
interest you. I am at home today and do not have the addresses here. If you
would like to subscribe and do not have the addresses, please e mail me
directly and I will send them to you from work on Monday.

Nora L. Ishibashi
nli1@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:51:28 EST
From:         Dave Nasatir <nasatir@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Time to introduce yourself!

Hi
I'm Dave Nasatir, a sociologist by training
(and disposition) and a professor in the
Behavioral Science Graduate Program at
Cal State Dominguez Hills, home of the
Olympic Velodrome and Oliver, himself.

I teach courses in conflict management
and will have students in one of my
classes start their subscriptions next week.

I recently returned from a year in
Florence where I was director of the California
State University Program in Italy and,
at various times, have been a visiting
professor in Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro
and Washington DC.  I have worked for
UNESCO, the Ford Foundation and the
US Agency for International Development
in India, Indonesia, France, Venezuela,
Colombia and Chile and have bicycled
over the highest (paved) pass in each
country. That's why I'm usually
so breathless.

Joined X-Cult to learn what's happening.

        Dave
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:34:13 -0400
From:         WIDDKB85@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Time to introduce yourself!

I would like to welcome my good friends and fellow students Bonnie and Aimee to
this list and hope that they will receive as much from this list as I have over
the last few months.  Many of my classmates will be signing on because of our
Cross Cultural Communication class so (hopefully) you will be hearing a lot fom
them to.

Keeping with Oliver's suggestion to reintroduce ourselves and our cultural
interests:

My name is Kathleen Widden and I am a senior Communications student here at
SUNY Oneonta here in upstate New York.  I have traveled to Ireland (where my
mother is from) on many occasions and have been involved with the foreign
students organization here at SUCO.  (I lived on the International Hallway for
a year - where I had the opportunity to know many people from many differing
cultures).  I am a subscriber to XCult beacuse I am always interested in
hearing various opinions and debating and supporting my own and I enjoy the
challange of those opinions that derive from different cultures and background.
So, I look forward to the coming weeks and months.  Talk to you all soon (I
hope) :-)

Kathleen
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:30:30 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Media/communicatioons

Jon,

One of the experiences that many of us whose native tongue is not English
experience in this world is that we do not very well shoot from the
hip.... and thus sometimes our arguments become disjointed, some analogies
are poor and some words/terms misused..... and sometimes people point out
these errors and communication problems to void us....especially those that
are threatened by our ideas....  Those who are genuinely open and can see
beyond the "communication" errors see our ideas and debate it....  I am
sorry we cannot communicate very well... but I do notice that there are
others on the network who are MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THEN ME conveying
the same points that I possibly muddled...

The flaws in our so called "democracy" as well as the effect of our "media"..

I am glad others have joined in the discussions...

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:19:56 -0500
From:         THOMPSMA@UCBEH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: introduction and Zoe Baird controversy

Hello,
        In response to Oliver's request, my name is Marc Thompson, and I'm a
graduate student in English literature working on my dissertation at the
University of Cincinnati.  I originally subscribed to XCULT-L because of my
wife's interest in Second Language Acquisition and ESL; however, as the mail
started to roll in, I found myself following the various discussions (esp. the
media/communications discussion apparently led by Zahir).  My wife is from
Argentina, and my few journeys to that country have broadened my horizens a
bit.
        Recently, with the nomination of Zoe Baird, controversy has erupted
regarding her fitness to preside over immigration services since she knowingly
employed illegal aliens as houseworkers.  Behind the very obvious issue of
public trust, this controversy brings to light the status of US immigration
practices and our treatment of immigrants (legal and illegal) in this country.
Particularly with Clinton's recent about-face on the Haitian refugee issue, I
think the question of immigrants in (or to) this country is becoming
problematic.
        This is my first message to XCULT-L, and I hope someone will respond to
this open-ended query.
                                                Sincerely,

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:05:08 -0500
From:         "R. THOMAS BERNER" <BX2@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      HELLO, LIST MEMBERS

I joined this list because I am a member of Penn State's cultural diversity
subcommittee in the faculty senate and I thought (and still think) that
joining this list will expand my cultural understanding and enable me to do
a better job on the subcommittee.
R. Thomas Berner
[BX2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU]
Professor of Journalism and American Studies
The Pennsylvania State University
1.814.863.7993
"We spend our years as a tale that is told." Psalms 90.0
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:31:06 EST
From:         oliver@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject: Re: Our Christian nation

Matt's comment about our having a de facto Christian nation reminds me
of a conflict that occurred in France not too many months ago
when the French Muslims began to demand that their daughters
be allowed to wear traditional dress to school and to be excused
from subjects involving biology.

I wondered at the time if such a movement were to spread to the U.S.
if our leaders would wrap themselves in a cloak of securalism and
begin to wax eloquently about the importance of observing
the separation of church and state.  My darker impulses make
me want to encourage our Muslims to demand that their children
be allowed to say their daily prayers on the school playgrounds.
(except for all the latent bigotry such action would unleash --
the issue would probably get lost in the melee)

I must add that there are many religious people who are just
as incensed at the hypocrisy of the separation issue as am
I.  Bill Moyers touched on it several years ago in a program
about the Southern Baptist Convention being taken over by
the fundamentalists.

Oliver
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:38:14 -0800
From:         CAROLYN DAWNELE KELLER <CKELLER@BESTLA.CALSTATELA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Inauguration prayer

I dont believe he excluded you at all OLiver.  If you read the Bible, He refers
to the general population.  Get over it.
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In a previous article, WDOUKMAK@MERC.RX.UGA.EDU () says:

>
>I noticed.  As for "took offence", I don't think so.  Not because I
>approve it, but rather because I came to a conclusion (long ago) that
>the claim that church and state are separated is indeed a hoax.

I don't think it is, quite.  The government sure doesn't *act* like it's
Christian, although the Judeo-Christian traditions are woven into it.  The
US Congress acts like a bunch of self-serving <expletive self-deleted>s in
my book, with the "real Christians" overwhelmed by the mob.

>By the way, when asked on Larry King this evening
>whether he disliked the "too much spending involved in the
>inaguration", Bill Graham answered no.  He said that it is nice to
>have such a celebration every four years.  He made me confused.  I
>always thought that "religious" persons oppose extravagant spending
>and like to see money spent on needy rather on well offs.
>
Nope, not if actually read the teachings of Christ.  There's one story of
a woman who annoints Jesus's feet with a vial of some *very* expensive 
perfume.  The disciples get all upset about how much money she's throwing
away, but Christ himself tells them to get off it.  Christ said he would
not always be around, but that the poor would be there always.  I can't
remember the exact chapter and verse right now, but the Rev. Graham would
know it.  It's a once i four years chance, whereas the poor will be here
tomorrow too.
-- 
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:26:13 -0400
From:         IPW <WILSONT@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      info

another way to join the bureaucratic/administrative paper trail, it seems


 ... i/you/we/he/she/they said ...

"From: <peacenet>
"Subject: Email Connection to the White House
"
">From jsax Wed Jan 27 18:48:18 1993
"From: Joel Sax <jsax>
"
"There is now an email connection to the White House:
"
"Date: 27 Jan 93 19:28:30 EST
"From: The White House <75300.3115@CompuServe.COM>
"To: Joel Sax <jsax@igc.apc.org>
"Subject: Re: Letter on Yugoslavia
"Message-Id: <930128002830_75300.3115_CHE75-8@CompuServe.COM>
"Status: R
"
"      Thank you for your recent electronic mail message to the White
" House.  As soon as practicable it will be sent to the appropriate office
" for consideration.  You should receive a written reply in due course.
" Unfortunately, we are not yet ready to respond substantively
" to your message by electronic mail.  We appreciate your patience as we
" implement our new electronic systems.
"
"          As you know, this is the first time in history that the
" White House has been connected to the public through electronic
" mail.  We welcome your comments and suggestions for ways to improve
" your Public Access E-mail program.
"
"      Regards,
"      Jock Gill
"      Electronic Publishing
"      Public Access E-mail
"      The White House
"      Washington, D.C.
"
"      75300.3115@Compuserve.com
"      CLINTON PZ on America Online
"
" PS: If you did not include your U.S. mail return address in your
" message and you want a reply, please send your message again and
" include that information.
"
"
"
"
"
"Please don't overuse this facility.
"
"Joel
"
"
"
"
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:53:08 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Democracy, Freedom of Speech and the courts.....

Dougl,

Great question.... Now as for my answer....

The Judge's decision is commendable and the system fair....IF ALL THE
AMENDMENTS PASSED BEFORE AND SINCE IN COLORADO MEET THE REQUIREMENT....
NOW, I do not think so....

This is like a recent case where police picked up a man and questioned
him for walking/jogging suspiciously in a wealthy  neighbourhood... The
police can be congratulated on their vigilance and desire to protect
a neighbourhood.... The problem is that they do not do the same thing
uniformly all over town....just in that neighbourhood....

IF THE COLORADO COUR SYSTEM HAS EXAMINED ALL AMENDMENTS ACCORDING TO
THE STANDARDS YOU MENTION, THEY CAN BE COMMENDED....IF THEY HOWEVER
TAKE SELECT CASES TO EXAMINE AND OVERTURN THEN ITS ABUSE OF POWER.

ZAHIR
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