HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Clinton gaffe of the day
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:06:57 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>
> In article <1992Sep10.044420.4763@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> mulac@daystrom.lerc.na
> >  Today in a speech defense expert Bill Clinton referred to Patriot
> >missiles as 'being able to go through doors and down chimmenys (?)'.
> >Analysts were quick to point out that he was confused and must have been
> >thinking of the cruise missiles which were used in the Gulf war.  It's the
> >Dukakis tank ride all over again.
>
> "The economy, stupid."
>
>
>

Much as the 'stupid' in your post is beginning to more and more fit Mr. Mulac,
I think it's important to remind everyone that the text you quoted is on a sign
in Clinton's Little Rock HQ.  It was put there by James Carville, one of
Clinton's chief managers, in response to anyone in the campaign who gets
concerned about anything other than the economy.

Funny how the economy won't go away.  No matter how much Mr. Mulac and the
other Bush apologists here, on TV, and in print try to make it go away.
Clinton's draft issue comes up, and new stats come from the government showing
the percentage of children in poverty has increased.  The GOP tries to pick on
Clinton's wife while the government releases figures showing unemployment still
on the rise.  Bush surrogates try to paint Clinton as a dangerous man, while
economic growth stats show that Bush's inaction is far more dangerous.

Keep trying, guys.  It'll all make for a great book by James Baker after he
returns to private life in January.



>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:54:39 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush/Quayle's Health Plan -- vouchers?
 <1992Sep9.160508.23711@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
 <1992Sep11.171833.24461@gtephx.UUCP>

In article <1992Sep11.171833.24461@gtephx.UUCP>, forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford
@ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) says:

>A real-world case: my wife's OB/GYN made about $80,000 / year
>(5 years ago).  His malpractice insurance was $120,000 per year.
>Over half of his $1,500 delivery fee was for malpractice insurance.

????? Data from the AMA shows that the average OB/GYN paid liability
insurance premiums of about $10,000 in 1980 (Sorry, that's the
most recent data I have at home).  In recent years, since 1985 or
so, malpractice premiums have dropped.  There are problems in
particularly specialties, OB/GYN and anesthesia, for example, but
to blame America's health care problems on malpractice insurance is
to ignore the facts.  The data indicate that it's a minor portion
of the problem.

Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
From: bowler@athena.mit.edu (Bert Smith)
Subject: The Power of USENET
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:03:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.210152.8537@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>
>Since usenet really isn't a significant distribution media, ignoring
>it isn't necessarily "clueless" and doesn't imply that the Repubs don't
>want to spread the word about their campaign.
>

Why not?  An estimated 2.5 million people worldwide are USENET readers.
And 110,000 read the talk.politics.misc group.  (Data from news.lists
for Aug 92.)  That's many, many voters.  Not to mention the untold
numbers that get forwarded files from people that read USENET.

-bert smith
--
Overheard on the net: "George Bush said in 1988 that if I voted for
Dukakis, the economy would go to hell, crime would go up, and the
deficit would grow.  Bush was right -- I voted for Dukakis and look what
happened."
From: arild@milan.ims.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Bush, Owls and Trees
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:45:52 GMT
Reply-To: arild@ims.uni-stuttgart.de
Organization: IMS, University of Stuttgart, Germany

George Bush is now going to veto any extension of the law that protects the
spotted owl (i.e. preventing timbering in areas with this endangered
species). This to save jobs in the timber industry. George: "It's time we put
PEOPLE ahead of OWLS!"

This is the first time I've been thinking that Bush actually may loose this
election. 

How much of a difference will this really make for the economic situation?
And does it mean that it is now OK to hunt whales again, to save a few
Norwegians jobs?
A. Hestvik
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1992Sep13.054606.20803@Princeton.EDU>
	<1992Sep13.155656.12652@anasazi.com>
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:14:31

Re: Swedish 75% interest rate shocker.

It has been called to my attention that i forgot to mention an
important detail.  I hate when i do that!

The 75% interest rate is the one-day, bank-to-bank interest rate.
The normal interest rate for long term loans, such as normal consumer
or business loans, remains in the 25% range - high but not nearly
as high as some would apparently have you believe.  The purpose of
this was simply to slow down the cash flow until the worst was over.

And again, this is not an internal problem to Sweden but a sign of how
closely intertwined the Nordic economies are.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled head-bashing.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

We're looking for a little, bewildered girl.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: Re: You get what you deserve
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:12:18 GMT

In article <FOX.92Sep14052257@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.021513.22956@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) writes:
[...in part, see original for full text]

>     Just a comment to all those who want to blame Reagan, Bush, and the
>   Republicans for every problem in the country.
[report on how you can now get many credit cards]
>	1. Cheap federal guarantees of virtually all bank deposits
>	2. Removal of most regulation of the banking business
>	3. Refusal to enforce the few remaining regulations

>This produced the feeding frenzy we called the 1980s.

I think you're proving that the R-B-R bunch (Reagan, Bush,and the Republicans)
managed to deregulate the banking industry to the point where the feeding
frenzy was in the board rooms of the banks.  These "wise men" should have 
known that poorly educated (in economics) people would snap up multiple cards
and get themselves in trouble.

Larry J


-- 
#L.W. Jewell Moderator at the Veterans Information Site (veteran@cc.purdue.edu)#
#& WWII-L Listowner: "Sunday's horoscope is note worthy because of its strange,#
#sudden and wholly unpredictable and inexplicable occurrences, affecting all   #
#phases of life." "Your Horoscope" L.A. Evening Herald Express, Sat, 12/06/41  #
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Subject: Re: The big flaw in Clinton's Vietnam scenario
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:14:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.045247.5649@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) writes:
>    It's not the fact that Clinton was reluctant to serve that will turn
>some voters against him, but instead will be what he did while not serving.
>In Clinton you have a man who boasts proudly that he already had as a goal
>becoming President while in his teens, a man who claims to have more
>qualities of leadership than Bush, a man who says he firmly believes in his
>principles, and a man who eloquently wrote of how he could not morally justify
>fighting in the Vietnam war.  If all these things are true, wouldn't such a
>man have thrown himself into the forefront of the anti-war movement and
>demonstrated what a great leader he was?  All great leaders have been
>willing to sacrifice personally when fighting for what they believe in.  I
>have yet to hear of any event in Clinton's life so far in which he has
>stood fast for what he believes, but at great personal expense.  If Clinton
>was of presidential stock, he would have stayed in the US and worked his
>way into the leadership of the anti-war movement, instead of worrying about
>future 'political viability'.

And destroyed his political viability.  I wonder what he could have achieved
as a 20 year old college kid that Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King and
others hadn't already done.

> 
>-- 
>Richard Mulac                                     mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov
>NASA Lewis Research Center, 21000 Brookpark Road, MS 5-9, Cleveland, OH  44135
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"The question is - who do you trust to make change work | These pontifications
>for you?" - President George Bush                       |      are my own!    


-- 
Jerry Kuch (t-gerldk@microsoft.com) | "Sic Gorgianus Allos Subjectatus Nunc."
  "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
   Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet." - Montgomery Burns

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns
From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Subject: Re: CLINTON: STATEMENT ON BUSH NIXING DEBATE #!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:04:20 GMT

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.204746.21165@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> msl@hpcvlx (Mark Laventhal ) writes:

>  Frankly, I think Truman must be rolling over in his grave to have 
>  either one of these clowns (Clinton or Bush) trying to grab his mantle.


Not to mention Lincoln -- surely *you didn't* miss the ad infinitum
invocations of Lincoln's spirit (the party of Lincoln)?

Frankly, it's beyond me why Geo. would want to compare himself to a democrat
and *equally* puzzling why there aren't *any* repubicans this century who
are worth emulating...Nixon, Regan, Eisenhower...

OOPS!  I forgot Hoover (-:

Lauren

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Will someone tell me the truth?
Keywords: lies truth taxes
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:53:04 GMT

In article <farenebt.716237970@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>If Hillary believed that he had an affair, more than likely, they would
>not still be married.

This is Farenell's opinion; Ms. Clinton hasn't said either way.

It would be nice if people would stop attributing convenient values to
others.

-andy
--
UUCP:    {arpa gateways, sun, decwrl, uunet, rutgers}!cs.stanford.edu!andy
ARPA:    andy@cs.stanford.edu
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:08:34 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep14.212152.29355@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:

NL:As I have said before, I will not waste my time debating with people who
NL:question my honor or my credentials. That is the reason I have not and will not
NL:give any "evidence" at this time. If any polite posters want to pick up
NL:this debate, I will be happy to continue.

NL:Norman (for the anti-intellectuals)

NL:Dr. Norman J. LaFave


Flame and duck,  Excellent technique doc.  I'd have to give this performance
a 9.7

-- 
--Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: The Power of USENET
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
	<1992Sep6.033331.16126@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Sep8.172014.5802@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Sep8.191058.1656@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.191058.1656@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
-> Because it is a politics group that doesn't have Clinton or Bush in
-> its title!  If I am undecided, but still interested in politics,
-> the miscellaneous group would be first on my list of things to read
-> as it would be a cross-section (hopefully) of the two sides, battling
-> against each other, as opposed to the Bush and Clinton groups which
-> are much more one-sided.
-> 
-> >
-> >So?  How many of those readers are going to present arguments
-> >favorable to the candidate that the reader doesn't support to said
-> >friends?  How much will those postings improve the effectiveness of
-> >said readers promotion of his/her favored candidate?  Unless the
-> >answer to the first or second is "lots", Usenet postings don't affect
-> >off-list people.
-> >
-> 
-> Answer to Q2) none at all
-> answer to Q3) quite a bit. By reading UseNET postings, one could
-> find some ideas that are pro-their-candidate that they possibly hadb't
-> thought of or hadn't heard before that may be effective in swinging
-> friends.

	From what I've been reading, most of the posting are
anti-the-other-guy and not pro-their-guy.  I guess it's a lot easier
to insult than compliment.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Bush/Quayle's Health Plan -- vouchers?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:46:21 GMT

In article <9SEP199207293665@gergo.tamu.edu> dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:
>Could someone please give me details on B/Q's supposed plan for national
>health care? I saw a rather long clip of Quayle yesterday (it may have been
>from his Labor Day speech) where he made all sorts of wild assertions about
>Clinton's health care plans (claiming that it would be "rationing" health
>care -- and commenting that the last time we had rationing was when the
>other Democratic President (Carter) rationed Energy and everyone had to wait
>in huge lines and that we would have to do that if Clinton had his way).
>Then ol' Danny Boy says that he and Bushy have this plan, where they would
>have tax incentives and vouchers (!) for health care.
>
>So what the hell does he mean by that? Tax deductions (for itemized returns
>only, of course) if you buy your own health care and a piece of paper that
>says you can get health care?
>
>Someone mind explaining their plan, or better yet, emailing me a copy of
>their plan? Or is that too much to ask... 
>

Their plan is a limited tax credit/voucher for the working poor, which will 
hardly buy any insurance or provide the type of coverage that is most
useful for improving general health and controlling costs, and the 
continuation of an unlimited tax deduction for the well-off.

And they don't say how they are going to pay for it, since it is
an addition to the current system, not a reform.

Real reform would ultimately not cost anything since the elimination
of the waste in the system would pay for the increased coverage for
the poor.  Even if the US were only able to achieve an efficiency
comparable to Canada's, the second most expensive system in the world
next to the US, it would amount to $200 billion dollars in savings 
in private/public dollars.  Americans should be talking about the
health care dividend...not the peace dividend...which is peanuts
in comparison.

Real health care reform would also make a huge dent in the federal
budget deficit, improve business competitiveness, labor force mobility
and efficiency, and remove one of the barriers which keep people
from moving off welfare into the workforce.

Gerald
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Clinton gaffe of the day
Date: 10 Sep 1992 14:03:51 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <1992Sep10.044420.4763@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov (Richard Mulac) writes:
> 
> 
>   Today in a speech defense expert Bill Clinton referred to Patriot
> missiles as 'being able to go through doors and down chimmenys (?)'.
> Analysts were quick to point out that he was confused and must have been
> thinking of the cruise missiles which were used in the Gulf war.  It's the
> Dukakis tank ride all over again.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Mulac                                     mulac@daystrom.lerc.nasa.gov
> NASA Lewis Research Center, 21000 Brookpark Road, MS 5-9, Cleveland, OH  44135
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>        "I'm not a Bush supporter, I just can't         | These pontifications
>              can't stand Clinton." - me                |      are my own!    
> 
> 

Oh, and I suppose you never make any mistakes when speaking...

Repeat after me....this has NOTHING to do with the real issues in this election
or the records of the candidates. Now, don't you feel better?

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu (tom)
Subject: Re: The media
Organization: The Lab Rats
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:24:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.005423.58083@watson.ibm.com> mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:

}I didn't like this approach with Don Wildmon tried it, and I wouldn't like
}it if (insert favorite liberal group here) tried it. I'll change channels
}when I don't want to watch, but I won't pressure others over it. 

note that i wasn't suggesting you go out and organize national boycotts,
or even letter writing campaigns, just that you provide advertisers with
some feedback. for example if you see a product you use being advertised
(and thereby subsidising) during programming that offends you, let the
manufacturers know. be polite, don't make any unreasonable demands, just
let them know how you feel.

}Well...sort of. The FCC handles frequency allocations, but licenses are all
}held privately. There's (especially since Reagan) very few rules about who
}can hold licenses. There's also very little restriction about when you can
}broadcast if you have a license. In many ways, the FCC has returned to its
}original purpose of merely being a referee to ensure that broadcasters don't
}interfere with one another.

since the number of licenses to broadcast is quite limited, the threat
of non-renewal is a very powerful weapon. (how many FCC "obscenity"
investigations have there been in the last 5 years? how many stations
(including satalite channels) have been taken to court or otherwise
harrassed recently for the content of their programs?)

}Not all local governments enforce cable
}monopolies; if yours does, vote 'em out. Local governments are by far the
}most susceptible to voter pressure. You also have leverage on your cable
}provider in a way that a Libertarian should appreciate - you don't like the
}channel selection, don't subscribe! tom sidesteps the question of how many
}communities would have multiple cable systems if local monopolies weren't
}the rule. In many communities it's not profitable to have even a single
}cable company; in many more, the existing cable company is pretty much a
}natural monopoly, at least for the time being.

true, not all areas have monopoly laws. but why do these laws exist at
all? if cable is a market where natural monopolies occur frequently, so
be it. but this is something that is best decided by the market, not
the government. if anyone actually other than holders of exclusive cable
franchises actually believes that repealing the laws prohibiting
competition could in any way harm consumers, i would welcome an explanation 
of their reasoning.

-- 
tom@udel.edu                                        ...!{gateway}!udel!tom
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu           UDel: School of Life and Health Sciences
Libertarian candidate for Delaware House of Representatives, 23rd District

"Themes were useless; Destiny was here, and the foot pedals were bleeding."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: AT.PLC@forsythe.stanford.edu (PCURRY (415)723-0730)
Subject: duplication?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:56:58 GMT

People Who Understand the Nuances of UseNet:

I seem to see identical (or at least REAL similar) postings on
alt.politics.clinton and alt.politics.bush here at
.forsythe.stanford.edu.  Or have we a fault here at
.forsythe.stanford.edu?  Is there some double posting going on?
Need we do this?  What's up?

                                         Phil
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From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Live Online Conference re: US Elections
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:45:17 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I'm posting this message for the Conference Hosts;

The IDS World Network will be holding a "live", CB-Simulator chat conference
on the 1992 election and the candidates.  Topics currently being considered
include The Economy, Healthcare, Education, Family Values, Abortion, and
"World Leadership Role".

The first discussion will take place on September 4th from 7PM EST until
9:30PM EST.

We invite everyone to participate.  CB Chat discussions on the IDS World
Network are completely free.

To reach the IDS World Network, TELNET to ids.net [155.212.1.2].  If you have
an account already, you're all set, although you can apply for one by signing
on with GUEST as a username.

That's September 4th, 7PM EST on the IDS World Network CB Simulator.
telnet ids.net [155.212.1.2]
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections