HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Diet Changes May Buy Cancer Patients Time
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:43:24 GMT

I just read an article in Science News (November 14th issue) that 
mice injected with malignant melanoma double their survival rates
if they consume a diet restricted in phenylalanine and tyrosine.
They cut dietary intake of these amino acids to just 13% of normal.

"Mice fed deficient chow developed fewer metastases -- secondary cancers
spawned by the initial tumor.  While black melanoma growths heavily 
peppered the lungs of mice eating a normal diet, the lungs of those
on the deficient diet remained virtually spotless."

That's interesting!
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:42:00 GMT

In article <cindy.139@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
>I've noticed that whenever my 3 1/2yo son has even a small amount of
>sugar, he undergoes a drastic change in mood and activity level.
>He becomes hyperactive (he's isn't normally) and mean-spirited.
>He bounces on the furniture, dashes about aimlessly, throws hard
>objects at the family, and has a glassy-eyed look that leads me to
>believe that he is oblivious to anything I say to him.  Has anyone
>else experienced this?  Does anyone know what causes it?

Yes; reading quack books about the horrors of sugar and believing them.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:29:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.000710.7084@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>>>And isn't inositol a constituent of lecithin.
>>Yes, it is.  And lecithin is another substance, along with inositol,
>>which is devoid of any effect on blood lipids.
>So lecithin is not an emulsifier that makes cholesterol able to pass
>from the blood into cells to be matabolized?

You are correct.  Lecithin is an emulsifier for chocolate bars
and egg yolks.  Dietary lecithin does not play any role in human
cholesterol metabolism.  Taking lecithin as a dietary supplement
is one way to increase your intake of choline, though it's a bulky
way to do so.  Inasmuchas choline isn't an essential nutrient, there's
not much benefit in taking it, either.  (Choline likewise is without
effect on blood lipids, not that anyone suggested that it had
such an effect, but I thought I'd answer a question before it was
asked.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:41:20 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <9211191843.AA15668@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Grady W Chism <gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>>The science says that sugar is not a cause of hyperactivity.  To state this 
>>more precisely, when the behaviors of hyperactive children are observed by an 
>>unbiased obsererver, there is no difference in the behaviors of those receiving
>>sugar and those getting a placebo. However, there are many faulty studies (not
>>double blind) which claim effects.

>There is also the fact that these quack books on sugar (and dietary treatments
>for hyperactivity/ADD, not that the original person was talking about ADD)
>have become part of received folk wisdom and live on regardless of their
>validity and the fact that such links have never been observed in a double-
>blind setting.  You don't have to have purchased such tracts to believe them.
>This link with the kid eating sugar-containing foods couldn't have arisen
>merely out of the dispassionate observations of a mother-scientist, unless
>that mother-scientist has been living under a rock for the past 20 years.

I may be a sample of one, but I am all too familiar with the effect sugar
has on my metabolism and my mood.  It makes me hungry, nervous, and irritable.
In fact, if some kind of double-blind study could be done, where I was fed
foods with and without sugar, and the effect on me noted, I'm quite sure
I (and the observers) could tell the difference between the sugared and non-
sugared foods.  (I'd also have a lot of fun... at least at first ;-)

(These reactions are common for people who are hypoglycemic, or think they
are.  I don't claim hypoglycemia to be my problem, but that's another story.)

Of course such a study would be difficult to arrange, because even the
best artificial sweeteners can be distinguished from the real thing...
On the other hand, since you don't cite sources, I claim my anecdotal
evidence to be at least as valid as your claims.

>Since many foods (bread, mashed potatoes) have as high a glycemic index as
>simple sugar (meaning that blood glucose rises as quickly after eating one
>of these as eating sucrose), one wonders why they haven't been implicated
>in such terrors.

WRT bread and mashed potatoes, I have sometimes noticed the same effects
from the latter, but it's never as strong as from high-sugar foods (cake,
cookies.)  I have never noticed such effects from non-sweetened bread.
One wonders whether the higher ratios of starch and fiber to sugar may
have some relevance, and whether the glycemic index is the only possible
measure of the effect of sugar itself.

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com

Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:1416 rec.food.veg:10695
From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: PCRM and milk (revisited)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:44:35 GMT
	<1992Nov22.145533.1909@pixel.kodak.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU

Young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) writes:

   Fact: Milk does not cause diabetes. 
   ... The paper reports observations which need to be
   examined further but it does not prove milk consumption causes
   juvenile diabetes. ... These
   conclusions are questionable for technical reasons and certainly do
   not warrant depriving children of the well established benefits of
   consuming dairy products.
   
   Written by:
     Dr. Ken Lee, Professor and Chair and Dr. John Allred, Professor of 
     Nutrition Food Science and Technology, Ohio State University.
	
   Reviewed for accuracy by:
     Dr. Karla Roehrig, Associate Professor of Nutrition, Dr. Grady Chism,
     Professor of Food Science and Technology, Ohio State University.

The argument given does not support the assertion made.  The argument
would support the assertion "we do not know that milk causes
diabetes".  The authors seem to be assuming that statement
is false because it is unproven, which is just as stupid as assuming
that unproven statements are true.

I object to the common practice of scientists telling people what to
do.  It is their responsibility to investigate what is true.  I
believe that determining the best rational gamble to make based on the
available evidence and on my goals should be done by someone who knows
my goals and understands the concept of "rational gamble", which these
guys apparently do not.
--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>    CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
From: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Connection of Birth Control Pills, Modd Swings, B vits?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu

A popular myth/legend/fact I've heard is to take one of the
B vitamins (I don't remember which one) to control mood 
swings while on the Birth Control Pill. Does anyone have 
any information on whether this is true or why? It sounds 
rather urban legend to me but I'm no expert on nutrition. 
And before you start wild flaming, I don't belong to the 
megadose vitamin camp. Just looking for info.

Amy Mossman
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:46:14 GMT

Adelle Davis only publicised research done by othrs, she never
attempted to do research herself. It's been amusing to read newspaper
accounts of discoveries at MIT of the value of inositol and oat
bran in ocuntering high cholesterol; this research was done at least
twenty years ago with similar results and was reported in Davis'
books at that time.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
If convicted felons can't own firearms, then why in Hell
do we let GE make nuclear weapons?
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: rbradbur@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Bradbury)
Subject: Vitamin C and iron
Summary: Vitamin C may promote free radical formation via Fe++
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:12:35 GMT

>In article <219@sftwks.UUCP> bradbury@sftwks.UUCP (Robert Bradbury) writes:
>
>   Free radical formation in the stomach does seem to be promoted by
>    vitamin C consumption ...
>
Well, someone actually noticed my little "aside".  The reference is:
  Free Radical Biology & Medicine, (1991) 11:609-610
  Z Maskos, WH Koppenol (Louisiana St. U)
  "Oxyradicals and multivitamin tablets"

The abstract is: "Ingestion of a single multivitamin tablet leads to
hydroxyl radical production equivalent to a radiation dose of 53 Gy/h".

Now that I have the article in front of me, I notice that it mentions
hydroxyl radicals and not superoxide radicals so my previous comments 
about the possible benefits of SOD supplements are even less likely.

The basic problem is that vitamin C is a reducing agent and will
reduce Fe+++ to Fe++ or Cu++ to Cu+ and in these forms the metals
mediate hydroxyl radical formation.  Interestingly enough they
found that even MV tablets w/o iron produced almost identical
amounts of hydroxyl radicals.  They suspect this may be due to
contamination with redox-active metals.

Whether this is harmful for you is debatable.  Your stomach is
designed to withstand some very harsh conditions and so the
increased hydroxl radical production caused by the vitamin
C may make no differnce.  They did note that 1.0M ethanol
(a hydroxyl radical scavenger) was helpful, so I guess that means
that we should be taking our vitamin C tablets with beer. :-)
[Actually they recomended that you only take vitamin C with
meals which would probably limit the effects of the radicals.]

There have also been a number of studies where scientists use 
ascorbic acid to reduce iron to increase radical production.
It may also play a role in reducing iron to free it from its
safely bound form in ferritin.  The general feeling I get from
the literature is that although vitamin C will cause radical
formation by activating metals it then functions to clean up
the radicals by acting as a sink for the extra electrons
running around.  Of course exactly what level one should try
to maintain in tissues is unclear at this point.

It is worth being aware of the double-edged nature of Vitamin C
and perhaps acting in ways to minimize its potential negative
behaviors by only consuming it after meals and not with vitamins/
foods which may have a high metal content.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Water - "Distilled" or "Spring"
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:04:47 GMT
Keywords: bottled water spring distilled

In article <oT2euB1w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> betsy@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Betsy Speicher) writes:
>Most home and office water delivery companies (Arrowhead, Sparkletts,
>etc...) offer either 'distilled' or 'spring' water. I would like some
>comments on the short-term and long-term health concerns due to the use
>of each type of water.

If there are any health concerns to drinking spring or distilled water, they
pale in comparison to not doing so.  I prefer (16+ years) distilled water as
I don't rely upon water (such as spring water) as a source for my mineral
intake.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:53:50 GMT

In article <cindy.139@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
>I've noticed that whenever my 3 1/2yo son has even a small amount of
>sugar, he undergoes a drastic change in mood and activity level.
>He becomes hyperactive (he's isn't normally) and mean-spirited.
>He bounces on the furniture, dashes about aimlessly, throws hard
>objects at the family, and has a glassy-eyed look that leads me to
>believe that he is oblivious to anything I say to him.  Has anyone
>else experienced this?  Does anyone know what causes it?  For now,
>I'm trying to eliminate sugar from his diet, but I'm wondering if he
>will eventually grow out of this.  No one else in the family has
>this condition.

Have read many articles over the years re the relationship of "food to mood."
Dr. Benjamin Feingold promulgated that children's ingestion of food additives
was a major cause of hyperactivity.  Others (including myself) thought that he
didn't place enough emphasis on sugar as a culprit.  It was questionable thru
later studies whether his ideas were "scientifically" supported (but don't
tell that to the parents whose children were helped by his suggestions!!).  In
general, I'd say if your child "reacts" to sugar, don't give it to her/him.
Speaking of "scientific," here's something I saw in a humor group which
reminded me of some folks in this group:

Why God Never Received Tenure At The University
-----------------------------------------------

1. Because He had only one major publication.
2. And it was in Hebrew.
3. And it had no references.
4. And it wasn't published in a refereed journal.
5. And some even doubt he wrote it himself.
6. It may be true that He created the world, but what has He published/
   done since?
7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.
8. The scientific community has had a very rough time trying to repeat
   His results.
Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:1423 misc.fitness:8512
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fit or Fat Facts?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:34:15 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <BETSYS.92Nov23005050@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>Since so many people here keep mentionning it, I picked up a copy of
>"The New Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey. Ok, I believe that exercise is
>necessary to lose weight, but how substantiated is the assertion here
>that fit people burn more calories than fat people, even when idle? 
>  It seems to me that from a survival standpoint, back when we were
>all evolving, the "fittest" person would be the person who was able to
>store energy, not the person who burnt up all their fuel without
>storing it. Or do we have two "modes," a "store fat for winter" mode
>and a "burn fat like crazy it's summer" mode? 
>  This book doesn't have ANY footnotes (bad sign for a science book.)
>Is there any research to support these claims?
>

I agree.
For me, just personal anecdote.  I consume much less food after more than
a decade of heavy exercise than before.  In the short term Bailey's
assertions seem true, but I think it takes several years to become efficient.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: What I Learned about Calcium and Milk (long)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.201939.29081@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:
>
>Well, I was trying to slip in an implicit disclaimer without
>saying anything specific about particular supplements or problems.
>But, here goes.  According to _The Calcium Bible_, people should
>consult with their doctors before taking calcium supplements if
>they have any of the following problems:
>1.  kidney stones
>2.  alcoholism
>3.  cancer
>4.  gall bladder disease
>5.  gastritis
>6.  high blood pressure
>7.  hypercalcemia
>8.  peptic ulcer
>9.  pernicious anemia
>10. sarcoidosis
>11. thryoid problems
>
>In addition, certain supplements are not suitable for everyone.
>For example, calcium carbonate and calcium phosphate are not
>recommended for people who are lacking in stomach acidity.

So according to The Calcium Bible, a person should consult with their
doctor if they have any of the above problems & are contemplating eating a
food(s) containing calcium??  Or are foods OK & consultation should only
take place in the case of food supplements? ;-)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Subject: Re: Comprehensive list of nutritional contents of foods?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:00:51

In article <1992Nov19.044133.3274@nic.csu.net> vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu) writes:

   I am looking for a comprehensive list of foods with their equivalent
   vitamins/minerals/calories/etc contents; The kind that appears in all
   the nutrition books.

   I assume that the FDA has such a list somewhere, but my {L,N}exis
   searches yielded nothing, probably because I am not familiar with
   searching speciality medical journals. 

   So, my question is, is it possible for me to get such a list in a text
   (computer readable) format? If it is on L/Nexis, can someone point me
   to the right place to look? If anyone HAS such a thing, and they are
   willing to share, please mail it to me, or point me to the right place
   to FTP it from.

   Lastly, what are the copyright laws governing such data? Would someone
   who would be interested in including such lists in a commercial
   venture be required to get FDA consensus to publish them?

   Thank you for any help in advance.

The USDA publishes a very nice book entitled something like "The
Nutritional Content of Foods" and the book is available from the
government printing office.  I bought a copy about 10 years ago 
and it was not expensive.  You can get information on how to 
order the book from that famous place in Pueblo, Colorado.  I 
think there might be an 800 number if you call 800 information,
and I think the Whole Earth Catalog has the info too.  

As far as computer readable,  why not contact USDA?  They must
have it if they publish the book.  Don't know about copyrights, 
but they would be the right ones to ask on that as well.

--
Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org>		OSF/Motif Dev.
Snail:         11 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge,  MA  02142
Disclaimer:    I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it.
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: wentzell@ace.acadiau.ca (LEEANN WENTZELL)
Subject: Barley Extracts (Was: Re: Nutrasweet tastes like sugar?)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184326.474@netcom.com> kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio) writes:
>From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
>Subject: Re: Nutrasweet tastes like sugar?
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:43:26 GMT
>In article <1992Nov18.021112.47890@watson.ibm.com> 
>	yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>
>>On a package of "Equal" (the sugar substitute), it says
>>"Tastes like sugar".
>>If you look at the ingredients, the main one is dextrose with 
>>maltodextrin.  As far as I know dextrose is another name for
>>sugar which confirms the vendors claim that it "tastes like sugar".
>
>Maltodextrin, however, tastes nothing like maltose, glucose, or
>fructose -- it's there as a dipsersant and diluent, so that you measure
>the aspartame out without a microbalance.
>-- 
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|  Michael Sierchio                          1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123 |
>|  kudzu@netcom.com                                Berkeley, CA 94707-2116 |
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

This reminds me: my brother-in-law has started taking a supplement derived 
from barley. It is a green powder of which you must eat two teaspoons per 
day. The label says that it is made of the juice from young barley shoots, 
maltodextrin, brown rice, and kelp (in that order). He claims that the 
chlorophyll ingested from this dource cures arthritis. I patiently tried to 
explain that if this were so, eating any green plants would cure arthritis (
why I waste my time in such useless pursuits...), but he claimed that there 
was some special process involved in the production of this powder which 
made the plant chemicals and enzymes "more available" to the body. Has 
anyone else heard of this? Is this stuff safe? What concerns me is that his 
pregnant wife is also taking this. What exactly is maltodextrin?

E-mail or post is fine - I read this group daily (one of my favorites, 
flames and all!)

Lee Ann Wentzell                          "...foodless toads in 
Biology Department                        voluptuous chambers panting
Acadia University                         crawled..."
Wolfville, NS, CAN              P. B. Shelley - Prometheus Unbound
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,rec.food.veg
From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: PCRM and milk (revisited)
Organization: WP Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:40:48 GMT

From article <1992Nov20.155324.27337@pixel.kodak.com>, by young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young):
> The following is from THE TUFTS DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER: Vol. 10,
> No. 10, December 1992, and is quoted without permission.  Note followup.
>  ...
> MILKING THE FACTS
> 
> All concerned agree that the Physician's group did make one valid
> statement: cow's milk should not be given to a child under the age
> of one.  The reason is that it falls short in certain ingredients
> such as vitamins C and E and, in particular, iron.  But there's
> nothing new in that.  For years, pediatricians have advised parents
> to feed their babies either breast milk or iron-fortified formula
> rather than strtaight cow's milk during the first year of life to
> prevent problems such as iron-deficiency.  [Comment: another reason 
> may be that the infant gut is extremely permeable in order to allow
> absorption of antibodies from colostrum and breast milk to confer
> immunity to disease from mother to child, and this permeability,
> which disappears after one year, may allow bovine antigens to enter
> the bloodstream and increase the risk of later allergy.  There is
> little evidence that these proteins can be absorbed intact after the 
> gut has "closed."]

One of the author's of the recent New England Journal of Medicine 
article on this topic was quoted by a Scientific American staff 
writer as saying that there's some evidence to indicate that 
dairy products in the diets of adults can, indeed, pass through 
the intestinal wall, after gut closure.  What's the scoop?  

Karjalainen, et al.  "Bovine Albumin Peptide as a Possible Trigger
of Diabetes Mellitus".  _NEJM_.  July 30, 1992.  pp 302-307.

Rennie, John.  "Formula for Diabetes".  _Scientific American_, 
October, 1992.  pp 24-26.

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
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