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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: offsides question on goal kick
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:17:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.155150.1247@newsgate.sps.mot.com> altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>The linesman was correct.
>
>A player who receives the ball directly (i.e., not touched by anybody 
>else) from a throw in, goal kick, or corner kick, even though in an off-
>side position, is not penalized (see Lax XI).  A goal kick is not a
>direct free kick, it's a restart from touch (see Law XVI).  You cannot
>score a goal directly (i.e., without the ball touching another player)
>from a goal kick.
>
The off-side law is at least consistent. For each of the 3 methods of 
reentering the ball after it has gone outside the field of play, one
cannot be off-side. What's not consistent is that you can score
directly from a corner but not from a throw in or goalkick.

>
>PS - Please note that it's "off-side", not "offsides" - don't put on that
>     final "s" and you'll be recognized as a more knowledgable player. 
>
Is "offsides" an import from another American sport? I would be a rich
man if I was paid everytime someone said to me "offsides ref". Almost
as bad as being told the ball's gone over the sideline etc. The U.S.
will always be crap at soccer whilst it can't get the terminology
right :-)

--
Colin Morris    Ingres, an ASK Group company     cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"It's never too late to hate Luton Town" -- Danny Baker
From: dch@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Charles Haskoll)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs Vs Gunners
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:35:13 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
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Keywords: How much are you prepared to spend?


> One of my mates will be travelling to UK and will be arriving on the
> same day of the match. Could anyone in UK please advise if he would be able to
> get tickets on that day for the Spurs Vs Gunners match?

Not *officially* as the game is all-ticket, but one of the nice gents outside
the ground will let him have a ticket for a considerable sum.

Out of interest, are there any places more expensive than WHL? A seat in the
West Upper is nineteen quid!!!
From: PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: ENGLAND GO IN SEARCH OF GOALS AGAINST TURKEY
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:18:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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      Yiannh,
        Kala 0a htan an h E0nikh mas eftane ston Teliko tou World Cup 1994 kai
epaize me thn Agglia, alla as koita3oume na prokri0oume prwta kai ystera
vlepoume...
                                                           Panos Karliotis
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From: gfeygin@unicorn.eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin)
Subject: Re: World Cup Qualifier
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.180055@iti.gov.sg>, harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh) writes:
|> 
|> The following result arrived too late yesterday for me to post. (There's
|> a 16 hour time difference between Singapore and the Pacific side of
|> Canada!)
|> 
|> (All first-named teams played at home)
|> 
|> Concacaf Group B
|> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
|> 
|> Canada   4-2   Bermuda
|> 
|> 		P W D L  F  A Pts
|> Canada		5 2 2 1  9  7  6
|> El Salvador	4 2 1 1  8  5  5
|> Jamaica 	4 1 2 1  5  5  4
|> Bermuda 	5 1 1 3  7 12  3
|> 
|> 
|> This result means that BERMUDA have been ELIMINATED since the best possible
|> position they can achieve in the group is 3rd even if they win their last game
|> by 99-0.
|> 
|> 
|> Remaining fixtures in the group
|> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
|> 
|> 22 Nov	Jamaica - El Salvador
|> 06 Dec	Bermuda - Canada
|> 06 Dec	El Salvador - Jamaica
|> 
|> 
With situation being as close as it is, it seems possible for many different
final standings to occur, including some possibilities of ties. Does anyone know
what the tie-breaking procedure is? +/- results against each other etc?

GF
From: barbares@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Luca 'B' Barbaresi)
Subject: Re: JUVE WINS DERBY MATCH
Keywords: Forza Juve
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:06:53 GMT

What can I say ?
 
FORZA JUVE !!!



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From: guo@ecf.toronto.edu (GUO David Wei)
Subject: Re: FIFA WORLD INDOOR CUP
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:51:45 GMT

In article <9211182140.AA25922@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes:
>
>FIFA - World Indoor Soccer Championship in Hong Kong
>
>                            Group D
>
>        USA                    8:3                RUSSIA
>         Clavijo       5'                          Eremenko
>         Agoos        14'                          Eremenko
>         Borja        15'                          Tchoukhlov
>         Agoos         ?'
>         Woodbury      ?'
>         Fernandez     ?'
>         Borja         ?'
>         Ervine        ?'
>
>        SPAIN                  6:2                 CHINA
                                ^^^^ 
                                6:5         


>
>                              Group A
>
>        HONG KONG              1:2                 ARGENTINA
>
>        POLAND                 5:4                 NIGERIA
>
>
>Looks like a lot of ex-national team outdoor folks are in the indoor
>game. In addition to Clavijo and Agoos, former national team
>defender, Mike Windischman is also on the Indoor national team.
>
>I'll post more info if I can find it.
>
>Chris
>
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From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: CSKA "Home" Games
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:40:41 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Nov16.235013.17414@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

>>J.M.Ross (J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk) wrote:
>>: 
>>: Does anyone know why UEFA won't allow CSKA to play their home EC1 group 
>>: matches in Moscow? Is there any precedence for this?
>>The rescheduling was due to the climate in Moscow in the Winter. It's going to
>>be too cold to play soccer.

>Does anybody know if the southern Black sea city like Sochi with  the +18C
>temperatures in the Winter would be warm enough for UEFA? Or is the purpose
>here is not to have warm weather but to discriminate against Russians?

Although I'm pissed off by this decision as well, we have to point
out that attempt to hold game in Sochi won't be too good solution, unless
they provide heavy artillery to prevent the stadium from bombing.

BTW does anybody know if Dinamo Moscow plays their third leg game in Moscow ?
If yes, then this is the best example of UEFA consistency.

Or maybe UEFA considers elimination of Barcelona more shameful than
elimination of Torino. Well, after Dinamo beats Benfica, they could be
sent to Africa for the "home" game.

>Vlad

Michael.

>Employer may disagree

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From: 8938563@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Aussie Soccer 
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:27:55 GMT

This is a Thank you message to Thomas the Tank Engine for 
his informative articles on football in Oz. Please keep up
the good work.

And also, would somebody out there keep us updated on  the
World Indoor Tournament results, I believe the Aussies are
well ranked in that event.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: NCAA 2nd Round Draw
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:16:22 GMT

Seton Hall vs Dartmouth
Penn State vs Virginia
SMU  vs Creighton
St Louis vs Duke
William and Mary vs NC State
Davidson vs Coastal Carolina
San Diego vs UCLA
Indiana vs Washington


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From: torb@ii.uib.no (Tor Bastiansen)
Subject: Re: Predictions
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:45:13 GMT

Good idea!

Can anyone give us toto-predictions for English football, premier and 1.division?

Tor Bastiansen
Bergen, Norway
From: weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Youth Cup Draw
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:00:39 GMT
Reply-To: weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



|> > United States (how much are they paying FIFA for this one?)
|> >              (apologies to the folks in the US but it seems
|> >               all this development is going real fast, are you
|> >               guys really this good or is it part of the WC '94 thing)
|>

I'll also comment here. I brought my Massachusetts State-level team to an 
International Tournament this summer. We are NOT the best in the state. Its
a U-13 Boys team with birth dates from 1 August 1979 through 31 July 1980. We
played in a division of 32 teams from 5 countries. All countries besides the US
had teams with birth dates from 1 January 1979 through 31 December 1979.

In other words, we were 8 months younger than every other team. If the US is
so weak, than why would we come in second, and lost only to the Ontario, Canada
Provincial Champions?

Granted, the countries were US, Canada, Mexico, England, and Brazil, and I know
many of you think that none of those countires can play soccer either, right?
:^)

Maybe some of you will eventually realize that the US has not been into soccer 
in a big way since maybe 10 years ago, and it takes a full generation to be 
strong. The players are there. We're trying to get the coaches now who'll be
able to properly utilizes the horses.

Don

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From: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Foul Video
Keywords: Vinny Jones Foul Video fine
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:07:27 GMT
Reply-To: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Nov19.162631.18858@inmos.co.uk>, glenn@inmos.co.uk (Glenn Hill) writes:
|> In article <BxxzFp.6t3@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>
|> kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes:
|> 
|> >I just read in the paper that Vinny Jones has been fined 
|> >$A44000 (stg 20000? ) for appearing in that video of
|> >soccer fouls. The largest player fine ever, apparently.
|> 
|> Anyone know where you can buy this video from? Wouldn't mind seeing it
|> meself.
|> 
|> Vinny

I believe I saw it advertised in the Boots Christmas catalogue (ideal gift for your granny, that
sort of thing), so I don't think it's difficult to come by.

BTW - anyone else crack up on Wednesday evening when Jimmy Hill claimed to have put Vinny back
on the straight and narrow?

Cheers,
          Marlon
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: (Re : 2nd Dividion Internationals) + N.Ireland
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:13:13 GMT

se02@claudius.nextlab.cs.qub.ac.uk (Ian Armstrong) writes:

>Note : With a population of only 1.5 Million N.Ireland have to be the most  
>successful International team of all time!!! London has 8 times this  
>population alone and England are still crap!!

Having a population twice as big doesn't mean that one has a national team
twice as good. No matter how big a country is it can only field 11 players.
You mention England; there probably more than 50 english players good enough
to play for North Ireland. That doesn't help England very much as only 11 of
them can play. The reason why England has a better is that among these 50,
some are better than their North Irish counterparts.

My theory on the population<->football strenght relation is that (with 
everything else being equal) it's a kind of logarithmic curve, thus
making countries far away from each other in population, closer in
football strenght.

All this doesn't include such factors as crappy managers, wasted talents,
bad luck etc.

>	Long live the memories of 1982 :

>	   (WCQ) N.Ireland 1 - 0 W.Germany

4 points against Germany and no qualification ... That's what happens
when you screw up against lesser teams. Here is a partiel endtable for
that qualification tourney:

Germany            8   5  1  2  15 - 5  11
North-Ireland      8   5  1  2   8 - 5  11
Austria            6   3  1  2  10 - 7   7
Turkey             4   1  0  3   3 - 10  2
Albania            6   0  1  5   3 - 12  1

(My sources didn't list all matches for some unknown reason)
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - 2x Danmarksserie
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                        finale.
       There is no such club as "AGF Aarhus"
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Cup of Brazil
Date: 23 Nov 1992 12:06:27 -0600
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
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X-Unparseable-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:37:36 BRA

     Cup of Brazil 92
     ----------------
The winner of Cup  qualify for next Libertadores.

Second Round
------------
Date-Place           Games

04/09-Aracaju        Sergipe    0-1 Fluminense
16/10-Rio de Janeiro Fluminense 2-2 Sergipe
---->     Fluminense qualified for quarters.

18/09-Porto Alegre   Gremio     0-1 Parana
23/10-Curitiba       Parana     1-2 Gremio
----->    Gremio qualified for quarters.

01/09-Fortaleza      Fortaleza  0-0 Sport
29/09-Recife         Sport      4-0 Fortaleza
---->          Sport qualified for quarters.

12/09-Maceio         CSA        3-3 Vasco
13/10-Rio de Janeiro Vasco      0-1 CSA
---->            CSA qualified for quarters.

08/09-Curitiba       Atletico(PR) 0-0 Bahia
16/10-Salvador       Bahia        1-2 Atletico(PR)
---->   Atletico(PR) qualified for quarters.

25/09-Belo Horizonte Atletico(MG) 3-2 Criciuma
13/10-Criciuma       Criciuma     1-0 Atletico(MG)
---->       Criciuma qualified for quarters.

09/10-Sao Paulo      Corinthians  0-4 Internacional(RS)
20/10-Porto Alegre   Internacional(RS) 0-0 Corinthians
---->  Internacional qualified for quarters.

15/09-Belem(Para)    Remo 0-0 Palmeiras
02/10-Sao Paulo      Palmeiras 5-1 Remo
---->      Palmeiras qualified for quarters.
--------------------------------------------------
Quarters of finals

27/10-Arapiraca(Alagoas)       CSA 1-3 Sport
10/11-Recife(Pernambuco)       Sport 4-0 CSA
---->  Sport qualified for semifinals.
30/10-Rio de Janeiro           Fluminense 2-1 Criciuma
13/11-Criciuma(Santa Catarina) Criciuma   0-3 Fluminense
---->  Fluminense qualified for semifinals.
03/11-Curitiba                 Atletico(PR) 0-1 Palmeiras
20/11-Sao Paulo                Palmeiras    3-1 Atletico(PR)
---->  Palmeiras  qualified for semifinals.
06/11-Porto Alegre        Gremio            1-1 Internacional(RS)
17/11-Porto Alegre        Internacional(RS) 1-1 Gremio
---->  Internacional qualified for semifinals (pk 3-0).

 Semifinals

24/11-Rio de Janeiro        Fluminense - Sport
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From: paulf@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Frankland)
Subject: Re: 2nd Division Internationals
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:16:30 GMT

In article <1404@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> apc@getafix (Andy P Clarke) writes:
>
>To: u1051652@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
>Subject: Re: 2nd Division Internationals
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
>
>In article <1992Nov18.082813.3477@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> you write:
>> Interesting Question:
>> 
>> How many countries have had players in the 2nd division capped at 
>> international level (While they were playing in the second division) ?
>> And which players were they (and what clubs were they playing for at
>> the time) ?
>> The only example I can think of would be Steve Bull for England.
>> (Could someone mail me his Wolves stats ? A friend of mine in England
>> said he was "bloody smashin'").
>> 
>> Thanks.
>
>There are loads of players from the lower divisions playing international
>football. I assume from your example that you are referring to players in
>Divisions 1,2 and 3 sice the advent of the Premier League.
>Wales have Mark Pembridge (Derby, Div 1)
>       and Andy Melville (Oxford, Div 1)
>
>Republic of Ireland have John Aldridge (Tranmere Rovers, Div 1)
>
>Northern Ireland have Gerry Taggart (Barnsley, Div 1)
>                      Colin Clarke (Portsmouth, Div 1)
>             and even Jimmy Quinn (Reading, Div 2)
>
>Scotland is slightly harder as they have their own league, the best I can 
>do is Pat Nevin (Tranmere Rovers Div 1) in the squad this season.
>
>Apart from Bully, the best I can do for England recently is Steve Pears 
>of Middlesborough who was in the squad last season when Boro were in the
>then 2nd division last season.
>
>Others : Ludek Miklosko (West Ham, Div 1) - Czechoslovakia
>         Shaun Goater (Rotherham, Div 3) - Bermuda (!)
>         Charlie Ntamark (Walsall, Div 3) - Cameroon.
>
>I`m sure there are loads of others.
>
>Cheers,
>           Andy/
>
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From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Japan (& soccer in the US)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:28:42 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Nov17.144329.11795@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

> Soccer can do everything it does in Europe and Japan in the States as well, if
> given the chance. Unfortunately, the "important" people all seem to be against
> soccer. As the Japanese have showed, no pro league can exist without money 
> and long-term investments. Right now, it looks like the 1994 World Cup will be
> played in front of average crowds of 70,000 people - yet Sports Illustrated,
> CBS, ABC etc. won't care. I hope I am wrong, but...    
> 
>  
> MARCU$

	Thanks for the wonderful article about the Japan new league.  It is
very interesting.  Let me add my $.02 worth of comments here.
I don't think you can used Japan as a model for the
development soccer in US.  Yes, I agree there are US players in Europe, and
US does held some important tournaments etc.  But those are not the 
ingredients for successful development of soccer.
	First of all, American is already saturated with sports.  There are
basketball, football, baseball etc.  I think in Japan, baseball is really the
only most popular sports.   In addtion, the public in Japan I believe 
are more 'educated' about soccer than the Americans.  I mean if you show 
the picture of Maradona to Americans, how many of them can name him ?
	Even if the sport does catch on, there is really no good soccer 
stadium for the sports to grow.  The odds are really against the sports.  
	I am not optimistic about soccer in US.  After WC94, things will
be back to where it is before.  I have given up hope about the development of
soccer in the US anyway.  My plan is to have access to satellite
dish that enables me to watch European football everyweek :).  

Jack Teh  
     

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From: bonello@bhpmhaw.bhp.com.au (David Bonello)
Subject: Spurs Vs Gunners
Summary: Ticket availability
Organization: BHP Minerals International Exploration
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:26:36 GMT

One of my mates will be travelling to UK and will be arriving on the
same day of the match. Could anyone in UK please advise if he would be able to 
get tickets on that day for the Spurs Vs Gunners match?

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