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From: ghines@pyramid.com (George Hines)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Weights For Sale
Keywords: weights sale
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:53:56 GMT
Distribution: ba


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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: GHB
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:18:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep29.041803.1523
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep25.150528.16152@decuac.dec.com> baker@westsd.dco.dec.com (Art Baker) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.064902.26813@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>Gamma-hydroxybutyrate.
>[...]
>>but it can cause unconsciousness rather suddenly.
>>The drug has the generic name sodium oxybate and is being studied
>>for use in the treatment of narcolepsy.
> An interesting approach to treating narcolepsy: Give the person a drug
>that causes unconsciousness...   ;-}

The idea, I guess, is that scheduling such sessions using sodium oxybate
seems to reduce the number of unplanned inconvenience narcoleptic episodes.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:59:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: walter.1992Oct6.115917.10030
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: glex@nitro


In article <9210052115.AA06956@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
|> >From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
|> >Subject: split routine question
|> >parcel out my non-leg day into two or more.  Could some of you give
|> >example of your 6, 5, 4, or 3 day routines?
|> possible three day routines:
|>    day 1: legs
|>    day 2: back/biceps
|>    day 3: chest/shoulders/triceps
|>    (add abs someplace!)
|> or
|>    day 1: legs
|>    day 2: back/shoulders
|>    day 3: chest/triceps/biceps
|>    (add abs someplace!)
|> 
|> possible four day routine:
|>    day 1:  back/biceps
|>    day 2:  shoulders/abs
|>    day 3:  chest/triceps
|>    day 4:  legs (+abs?)

I don't understand why people do their routine in the above order.. Upper
body for 2 days then legs??  A much better routine would be Upper, Lower, Upper.
This gives your muscles at least 1 day of rest.  Try doing any upper body work
without using your shoulders, which are probably the most injured area in the
upper body, due primarily to over work.  Move your leg routine to split the
upper body work and I'd almost guarantee better results!  Try not doing abs
before squats of any type, a warm-up set is okay but any ab fatigue and you
will injure yourself eventually.  There is no routine that works for everyone, 
try creating your own.
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Fat Burning Primer
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:50:34 GMT

rks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh K. Sitaraman) writes:

>2. During excercise the glucose and fatty acid in the blood is utilised.
>Fatty acid in blood stream is utilised in preference to glucose 
>for various reasons. (There are organs like the brain that can use only
>one ene{gy source : glucose)

>3. Then why can't we run on fat FOREVER ??? Because the fatty acid 
>concentration in blood can never be much. In fact, it seldom
>exceeds (in Molars) the concentration of Glucose !!! Why this

- Molars? Fat teeth! 

>"transportation problem" for fats ?? There ain't much Albumin to
>transport the fat and fat in excess in blood stream will deposit on
>viens constrict and more directly cause blood clots and kill you !!!

>5. So what happens if I run out of glucose ? Can I run on fat ?
>Very Very painfully perhaps. Genrally your glucose will last about
>17 to 18 miles. Then you run out causing the famous WALL in the marathon.

Yep. But what do I do about it? How can I get to where I can run
on that fat? Going past the Wall seems to be only making me very
very hungry...

just one more mile,
jim p.
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dharker@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Harker)
Subject: Re: Rowing question
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 13:28:55 GMT
Reply-To: dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM, Rochester MN

In article <1992Sep30.163419.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, gbrown@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
|> Does anyone know why the Olympic rowers (8-person with a cox) put out 45 
|> strokes per minute at the beginning of their race, then go down to 32 by 
|> the finish? Are they "sprinting" for about a minute then switching to 
|> aerobic? I don't understand this strategy. Any comments?
|> 
|> Donna Somerton 
|> OSC, Memorial Univ. of Nfld.

Donna,
 
As a recreational rower in the local rowing club (I occasionally race)
I believe the initial acceleration from a standing start requires a higher		
stroke rate.  Once the race speed is reached, it can be maintained with	
a lower stroke rate.  Even at 32 strokes per minute, it is incredibly
strenuous - maintaining 45 per minute for a whole 2K race would be 
nearly impossible, and would seriously sacrifice the smoothness necessary
to translate all that muscle power into boat speed (maintaining momentum
is the key, and any sudden or harsh disruptions to the rowing rhythm 
mean you just lost the race - one mistake and you're done). 

Hope this helps.

-------------------------------------

Dave Harker

IBM - Rochester, MN
AS/400 Order Process Software Development

Internet:   dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Profs:       rchvmv3(dharker)

(507) 286-4565
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bailey & Butter Burning Revisited - Short Summary
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:16:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep29.041604.1380
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep28.183836.5206@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> djk@saki.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Douglas Knights) writes:
>|> I have been convinced by Steve Dyer's arguments that there is
>|> little evidence that metabolism is significantly changed by exercise.

What *ARE* you talking about?  I have never ever said such a thing.

>Steve does not know everything.  From my understanding, exercise does not
>per se increase your metabolism but helps produce the enzymes which burn fat
>which in turn cause your metabolism to "increase".

The phrase "exercise increases your metabolism" is a reasonable enough
comment.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Subject: Re: KM Product Info?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:27:14 GMT

armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian) writes:
> 
> Can anyone relate their knowledge and/or experience with a product 
> called Km?     It is sold as a herbal vitamin supplement, with lots
> of claims about improving your health,  increasing your lifespan,
> reducing succeptibility to getting colds, etc., etc.
> 
> The claims sound too good to be true, so naturally I am skeptical.
> However, I am in a position where a friend that I care about is 
> getting involved as a distributor, and has asked me to try the stuff on
> a 30 day "free" trial.
> 
> After three weeks, I have not noticed anything (good or bad), and now
> must decide whether to continue  (ads say most users sense result
> within two weeks, but some may take up to three months).  
> 
> Any advise would be appreciated.  It looks like the product is 
> marketed using a pyramid-type scheme.  I would also like to advise
> my friend if this is so, as they are asking for a significant
> "franchise" fee for becoming a distributor.
> 
> 
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |Arman Dolikian                          |Internet: armand@comm.mot.com |
> |Motorola LMPS Software Technology Center|   X.400: CAD001@email.mot.com|
> |1301 E. Algonquin Road - IL02 Rm 4433   |   Voice: (708) 576-0771      |
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> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+

I tried Km too.  I probably took it for a month or two and didn't really notice anything great.  I supposed we need the potassium/minerals but since I didn't seem to feel any better or worse, I stopped...I do know some people who take the liquid and say that they feel much better taking it.  Don't know what else to say 'bout it!!  :)

Kelly.
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bailey & Butter Burning Revisited - Short Summary
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:04:50 GMT
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

[So that we don't get completely lost, I'm including references that Ed didn't
have in his message...pae]

In article <1992Sep22.194513.7908@mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.023043.25766@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>>>5) The remaining hypothesis seems to be that fit people are more active.
>>>Research on this is still very new, and inconclusive.  Should this turn out
>>>to be true, it yet bears no relation to 'better butter burning', or fat
>>>burning enzyme levels.  (Note that this is orthogonal to 'Are fat people
>>>less active?'.

>>It may not have much to do with "better butter burning," but it certainly is
>>consistent with what Bailey recommends: besides regular aerobic exercise,
>>besides shifting your diet to complex carbos, alter your day-to-day (actually
>>minute-to-minute) habits: park far away in the parking lot, take the stairs,
>>etc., etc.
>>
>>It really is there in the _TNFoF_, Ed. To categorically ignore this is
>>inconsistent with your typical thoroughness in your research.
>

>Except when I am lured off track, I try to discuss 'better butter burning'.

This may be the central flaw in your thesis. Maybe it really doesn't work to
only look at certain sections of the book and completely ignore others.

Maybe what Bailey means by "better butter burner" is that, *when you begin to
alter your minite-to-minute activities* that your aerobic exercise will
generally ensure that you'll be burning fat aerobically during these phases.

>All who have read the book, and want to raise your hands and say, "Yes, I
>learned from _TNFoF_ that the calories spent in exercise do matter, that I
>can expect little extra calorie burning following exercise or while resting,
>that I have enough fat burning enzymes to waste away to nothing in only a few
>months, and that we hardly begin to understand relations between exercise and
>weight control.", please feel free to do so.

...only if they didn't read the entire book! Don't treat _TNFoF_ like a
reference book. Don't even treat it like a book that fit atheletes (of either
the aerobic or anerobic or both persuasions) will even find interesting or
even remotely applicable to their disciplines. Ignore the book completely, or
if you aren't going to ignore it, read the entire book.

When Bailey's book on Muscle Physiology comes out, this type of analysis is
appropriate.

--phil
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: FAT?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:56:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.123127.7943@ac.dal.ca> whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>	I was wondering if people could post the fat contents
>in any type of food. For example, I heard that an egg has only
>four grams of fat. Is this true? Well, I'm making a list starting
>now so ANY foods you know about please post them.
>

You'd be much better off going into your local book store and buying
a calorie guide.  

BTW, your average-sized egg has about 6g of fat, and all of it is
in the yolk.  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Steroids
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 05:26:43 GMT

Randy Evans (evans@cs.uwp.edu) wrote:
: 
: Hi did any one out there recieve an ad from Mass Machine?  They are a mail
: order steroid company.  Myself and two others friends got one, and as 
: far as we can tell there is no other connection accept we all like to work-
: out.  Has anyone delt with them?  I myself think its a scam or perhaps some
: type of government sting operation.  
: 
: Thanx for reading.
: 
This sounds more likee the old buyer be ware type scam.  I have found that
there are numerious so called Steroids marketed in health stores throughout
the US, that are a worthless waste of money.  Many claim to be legal steroids
or man made steroids, or steroid derivatives.  My suggestion is if you really
need Steroids you can get them legally through a doctor.  And any mail order
or simular none perscription steroid is probably a scam.

BO: 
: 
: -- 
: ..............................................................................
: .                                Randy Evans                                 .
: .                                                                            .
: .                              evans@cs.uwp.edu                              .

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson)
Subject: Re: QUESTION about Vitamin C
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:05:29 GMT

In article <silver.717378427@sfu.ca> silver@fraser.sfu.ca (Craig Silver) writes:
>        I will be doing a report in my Kinesiology course between 
>now and December.  The course centent is nutrition and I want to 
>report what is known about vitamin C.  My family doctor and a man 
>who ran a health food store both told me to take 1000 mg of vitamin 
>C an hour when fighting a cold or flu.  Yet in high school biology 
>text books, it states that vitamin C at those levels can kill a 
>person.  Is there any concusive evidence one way or the other and 
>if so, by what authority?
>
>Craig Silver	                	    Simon Fraser University
>silver@sfu.ca (Internet)	            Burnaby, B.C., Canada

	There is no way in HELL that vitamin C at 1000 mg/h can kill a
person!  
	Why?
	Vitamin C is water-soluble.  If you are drinking plenty of fluids
(as you're also supposed to do when you have a cold or flu), then any
unused vitamin C will be flushed out of your body quickly.  It is the
fat-soluble vitamins which are toxic.  I suspect that you misremember which
vitamin it was that was mentioned in your textbook.  It could have been
either vitamin A or D (I think both are fat-soluble and can be toxic a
megadoses).
	By the way, no project on vitamin C would be complete without
reference to the work of Linus Pauling:  see HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL
BETTER; CANCER AND VITAMIN C; VITAMIN C AND THE COMMON COLD; etc.

-- 
Peter Johnson	       "There are times, sir, when men of good conscience	
Independent Studies     cannot blindly follow orders." --Capt. Jean-Luc
University of Waterloo  Picard (Patrick Stewart) to Adm. Haftel, STAR TREK:
	   		THE NEXT GENERATION, "The Offspring"
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Power Burst Training System
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:53:40 GMT

In article <NML.92Sep29123441@hq.lcs.mit.edu> nml@hq.lcs.mit.edu (Newton Loui) writes:

[stuff deleted]


>I ordered and used the Bulgarian Power Burst Training System from
>March to August of 1990.  Just to give some examples of strength gains
>I experienced:
>
>Exercise	Beg.	Max.	End	
>=======        ======	=====	======
>squat		80x10		135x6	
>bench press	80x10	135x5	125x6	 
>close grip	80x10	115x8		 
>incline BB prs	50x12	 95x5	 95x10
>behind neck	35x10	 65x10	 75x6	 
>BB curl		45x12		 75x5	 
>tricep pressdn	45x12	130x6	100x10
>bentover row	80x12	115x8		
>calf press	70x10	400x8	250x12  don't know if sled was included
>DB shrug	30x12	 55x8	 50x12
>BB shrug	50x12	135x10	145x8
>
>Of course, I list my most spectacular gains. 8-)

[stuff deleted ]

Um, Newton, I really don't want to take away from you accomplishments,
and I applaud your efforts - but some of the figures you've listed don't
jibe with the rest.  And when I use the word "only", don't get 
offended - but the word makes sense in the context of what I have
to say.

I guess the thing that really confuses me is that you list your bench
press max at "only" 135X5 (probably about a 175X1 max) - and you list 
that you can BB curl "only" 75 for 5 - but *THEN* you say that you can
do tricep pressdowns with 130 for 6!  You also say that you squat "only"
135 for 6 - but you can do calf presses with 400 for 8 !!!

Now, not to toot my horn or anything, but I can bench 280 (for 1) and
curl 105 for a few reps - but I'll be damned if I can even come *close*
to 130 for 6 on pressdowns!  Hell, the highest I ever went up to was
110 or 120 for a few not-so-strict (read: with a little cheat) reps.
Using strict form, I don't really go over a 100 for like 6-7 reps.

And on legs, I can squat 315 for 6 - but on calf presses I have yet
to even do 8 reps with just 300 - and you're cranking out 8 with 400!

Just commenting - not flaming...

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: rgw@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Richard Wraith)
Subject: Re: Rowing Question
Keywords: Rowing, Racing, Strategy
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:14:02 GMT


	The question was why do 8 oared crews start a race at a
rating of 45 and finish at 32 ? The answer is that only the really 
good ones can do that and still win.
	The most efficient way to cover a course no matter what the 
length is at a constant pace. That is all right in theory, but lets
face it even the most disciplined athletes are still human beings
subject to the vagueries of psychology.
	Things to consider when formulating a race plan
	
	1) How fast will my opposition go and for how long ?

	2)Are there any advantages to be gained due to course 
conditions ?

	3) How fast can I go and for how long ?

	4) By being in front you get the "look" on the opposition.
	ie. you can see them, but they can't see you. So you know
what they are doing and have the commanding position. All they know
is that you are in front somewhere and going faster. Rather a 
dispiriting posiyion for an inexperienced crew.
	
	5) In front you get the best water that has not been disturbed 
by the other crews.

	As the level of the competition increases from novice to national
to international the more the even paced stategy can be employed.
This is because more experienced competitors have a better idea of what
it takes to win, are more confident of their own abilities and most 
likely have a much better idea of what the opposition is capable of.
They are also more likely to have the mental discipline to overcome
doubt, fear and nerves before and during a race and stick to an even 
paced strategy. Also more experienced competitors also have a much better
idea about how fast they are going and whether they can maintain that
pace for 2000 meters or how ever long.
	As to the original case I would say that it was either a crew
who was very good for the class of event they were in and that they had
outclassed the rest of the field early in the race and just cruised
home or else they were rather inexpereienced or not very clever and
spent all their energy early and hung on desperately to the line in
 a state near death !

	I hope this helps. Even paced is by far the most efficient
strategy in terms of pure energy expenditure, but human and local
course conditions serve to complicate the issue making it not
necessarily the best strategy for all races.

	Richard Wraith
	Email: rgw@sungear.mame.mu.oz.au
From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Are all doctors stupid ?
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:26:27 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <09hzpy_@rpi.edu> cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
% I plan on cranking up the aerobics this winter so that I may reveal
% a much more "cut" physique come spring.  It may be an "old" bodybuilder's
% way of thinking (though I'm only 24), but right now I prefer *not*
% to restrict my calories; i.e. "bulking up" - even though I know it is
% not the way to go (according to alot of people, some people *do* swear
% by it!).

My metabolism is exceedingly efficient.  (too much so, sadly.)  I maintain my
weight very nicely on about 1800-2000 calories a day.  When I was doing
Nutritionalysis on a bodyfat reduction track, I was trying to eat 2300
calories a day, and I simply couldn't put that much food down.  I didn't lose
any bodyfat either...........

I've lost more bodyfat in the last two weeks than in the entire
nutritionalysis program... I guess that's what happens when you can afford to
eat only once or twice a day.... :-)

% I do eat plenty of "good" stuff, its just that I haven't eliminated
% all the "bad" stuff from my diet (like Chinese food at 3am after a night
% of drinking...)  And, I'm currently not doing too much in the way of
% aerobics (though I'm hoping that by making my diet stricter I won't have
% to do as much aerobics as I'm thinking).

(chinese food at 3:00 a.m. ?!?!?!  Ech! at least eat in the daylight!)

-blaine


-blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Re.  LIQUID FASTING DIET
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:26:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep30.172658.21033
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep30.115900.406@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>I apologize for sounding rude,

Why?  Sometimes an article is so stupid that it demands it.

>To drink apple-cider vinegar and chew a spoonfull
>of garlic pieces is ridiculous.  This sounds like another grape-fruit diet, or
>M & M diet.  Give me a break!

The guy's a nutcase who has been posting this crap all over the net
over the past week or so, and most notably this article these past
few days.  Of course it's nonsense.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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