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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:14:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Brian S McConnell <bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu>
From:         Brian S McConnell <bmcconne@VTSERF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Moderators

Anyone interested in helping maintain SGANet? Anyone interested in helping start
a worldwide promotion of SGANet (which we haven't done for a year or two)? I
moderate the net, and would like to see it continue to grow as a forum for
student leaders, but as I have two jobs, don't have any spare time to do much
except delete bad addresses, and add new people to the list. What I'd really
like to see happen within the next semester is for someone, or better a group of
us, get together and send promotional materials to every SG known to us.

I will be glad to get materials produced (i.e. a nice color brochure) if someone
will help raise the funds, and manage the distribution of materials. If we do
this, I think we can easily get a few hundred new schools on the net.

If you're interested in this, please send mail to bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu

To do this right, we probably need to raise about $2,000.00 If split among
several schools, this should be an attainable goal.

Thanks for your interest! Please volunteer to help out.

Brian

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1104 Ascot Lane, Blacksburg, VA 24060
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Disclaimer: "I don't know who I speak for!"
From: ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
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Subject: Americans with Disabilities Act
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:02:33 GMT
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In reply to Paul from Southern Connecticut State University, I offer the
following information.  I hope it is on point.  anyone can get more info
from their congressperson or library.

Michael Parker
Southern Illinois University
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Briefs facts from the Americans with Disabilities Act

ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS

Title I - Public Services
State and local governments may not discriminate against qualified
individuals with disabilities.
Newly constructed state and local government buildings, including
transit facilities, must be accessible.
Alterations to existing state and local government buildings must be done
in an accessible manner.
When alterations could affect accessibility to "primary function" areas
of a transit facility, an accessible path of travel must be provided
to the altered areas and the restrooms, drinking fountains, and tele-
phones serving the altered areas must also be accessible, to the extent
that the additional accessibility costs are not disproportionate to the
overall alterations costs.

EFFECTIVE DATE
January 26, 1992, unless otherwise noted in this act.

REGUALTION AND ENFORCEMENT

The Department of Justice is to issue regulations except for public
transportation by July 26, 1991.

the Department of Transportation is to issue regulations for public
transportation by July 26, 1992.

The Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board (ATBCB)
is to supplement Minimum Guidelines and Requirements for Accessible
DEsign by April 26, 1991.  The Departments of Justice and Transportation
must be consistent with supplemental MGRADand my incorporate the
supplemental MGRAD.
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:57:24 EDT
From:         Evan Ross <eross@UWOVAX.UWO.CA>
Subject:      Re: MAKING COLLEGE A BETTER PLACE

Evan Ross
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Western Foot Patrol, University of Western Ontario, Lambton Hall,
1421 Western Rd., London, Ontario, N6G 4W4
(519) 661-3650   Fax (519) 661-3687
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 12:53:39 EST
From:         Lola V Rephann <lvr2@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: clinton's promise

I think it should not matter what a person's sexual orientation is so
long as he or she does his job well, in this case, protect the country.
 I think "character judgement" of homosexuals is rediculous and
archaic.  Nuff said?
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:19:26 PST
From:         "Derek K. Miller" <dkmiller@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Accessibilty at other Campuses
              at Nov 15, 92 3:20 pm

The University of B.C. is quite poor in the accessibility department. This
is largely because the campus is more than 65 years old and many buildings
were built before consideration for the disabled was common. Some effort has
been made, and there now are a few places with ramps, elevators, etc. There
is a decent library for the blind (with tapes). The Student Union Building,
run by our student society, has a central elevator and automatic doors, but
the building is not easily accessible from all sides. Were I disabled, it
would be difficult to decide to study here. The SUB would be adequate, I think.

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ubc.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:20:34 -0500
From:         "(SENATOR PAUL F. HARTLEB REP.)" <HARTLEB_PAF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject:      Accessibilty at other Campuses

Hi all SGA Netters.

I am Paul, a Senator on the SGA at Central Conncticut State University.  I am
also disabled.  I can not even get into our SGA office.

I just was wondering if other people at different campuses thought their campus
and buildings were easy to get around in or not with a wheelchair.  Here at
Central, accesibility varies from building to building.  I am working on a
report to try to make much needed changes on campus.

I will be intertested in hearing any comments regarding acessiblity or the lack
of(which ever may be the case).

				Paul Hartleb
				Hartleb_Paf@CCSU.CTSTAEU.EDU
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 11:34:59 CST
From:         ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Subject:      clinton's promise

President-elect Clinton has promised to review the military's policy on
gays in the service.  Is this a good or a bad thing?  The military's top
brass is against any change - surprise, surprise.  What do you think?
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:34:00 +0100
Reply-To:     RfSchtkt@banruc60.bitnet
From:         RFSCHTKT@BANRUC60.BITNET
Subject:      ftp access to sonata.cc.purdue.edu for those not on the Internet

Hello fellow deprived,

As you will undoubtedly know from various sources, there exists a
wondrous feature on the Internet called ftp. It's what you can do on
your LAN, only here it gives you access to the world. Unfortunately,
many (most non-US?) sites don't provide interactive access to these
archives. You must resort to servers that will act on e-mail requests
from yourself, either a local server (sonata.cc.purdue.edu has one
locally, well, on nova.cc.purdue.edu which nfs-mounts the ftp
directory from sonata), or a ``gateway'' server (my ad-hoc
nomenclature) that will access any site on the Internet for you. The
latter is for example BITFTP@PUCC.Princeton.edu (send it a message
with no subject and a single line ``HELP\n''), and I want to give you
some tools to ease access to the former.

This is what you will have if you install my tools (oh well, they're
just tiny hacks really): a copy of the full sonata ftp directory in
your File Viewer to browse through, with occasionally non-zero-length
files: the ones you already fetched from sonata or copied from
someone else's disk. When you want a particular file that's not
already there,
1. select that file in the File Viewer,
2. do Services>Terminal>Fetch from sonata.cc.purdue.edu.
It will be forthcoming soon, as NeXT Mail, and uncompressed and
un-tar'ed. You will have to
3. open the folder in this message, and
6. drag its contents to the proper location in the file tree. For
that, you will have to first
4. inspect the contents to determine where it belongs (that's an
imperfection to the scheme) and
5. remove the original (most probably empty) file. Yes, you still
have to do all that work. Sigh!

To avoid inconveniencing the others, I propose that interested
readers send a simple request with the subject ``sonata tools
please'' to my address. I will return NeXT Mail.

Raf Schietekat, RfSchtkt@banruc60.bitnet
Real, i.e., uuencoded, NeXT Mail preferred.
I can't reach sites with ! or % in their address.

PS: If you have a better solution, please hurry to present it to me
before I send out mine.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:09:08 +0100
Reply-To:     RfSchtkt@banruc60.bitnet
From:         RFSCHTKT@BANRUC60.BITNET
Subject:      Re: ftp access to sonata.cc.purdue.edu for those not on the
              Internet

Sankar Virdhagriswaran (sorry other readers of this list),

From: maze!amirdam!sv%ai.mit.edu (Sankar Virdhagriswaran)
Give me a normal Internet-style address. I can't reach you. Anyone
who doesn't have an Internet-style address in the header or
explicitly mentioned: don't ask me anything.

Raf Schietekat, RfSchtkt@banruc60.bitnet
Real, i.e., uuencoded, NeXT Mail preferred.
I can't reach sites with ! or % in their address.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:09:21 EST
Reply-To:     Rebecca Kain <bkain@TR0034.TO.FORD.COM>
From:         Rebecca Kain <bkain@TR0034.TO.FORD.COM>
Subject:      printer scripts

Do anyone remember the script that you added to the cron so that the
printer would turn off every x minutes if nothing was being queued?

Thank you

beckers@quip.eecs.umich.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:40:35 -0500
Reply-To:     steve@MA.NEAVS.COM
From:         steve@MA.NEAVS.COM
Subject:      Shell Script to Mirror Hard Drives?

All:

We just put a large 5GB array of hard drives on our NeXT
network here.  Everything is working fine and what we
would like to do is to use one of the 4 new drives as an
emergency bootable backup drive that mirrors the
contents of our current boot drive.  It will also serve as
an instant repository of backup files in the (common)
event that someone blows something important away.

The script should be able to add/replace only those files
and folders that are new and/or that have changed and
delete those that are missing/moved.  It should also
maintain the proper permissions and ownership of these
files/folders, it would also make appropriate
(relative?) links where it finds links.


The goal is to have a script that can be run daily from
crontab at night that will maintain a perfectly mirrored
bootable crisis hard drive ready to go.  I would think that
this would be a common script.  If anyone has one lying
around and would like to send/post it that would be much
appreciated.  Thanx in advance.


- Steve
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:57:05 PST
Reply-To:     "U.S./NICA Printers Project" <ppsf@IGC.APC.ORG>
From:         "U.S./NICA Printers Project" <ppsf@IGC.APC.ORG>

LIST
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:43:57 -0500
Reply-To:     Jochen Klinke <jochen@SURF.WFF.NASA.GOV>
From:         Jochen Klinke <jochen@SURF.WFF.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      OD & tar problem

I'm resending this message, because I have seen it posted on the list
when I sent it the first time:

1. Has anybody had problems ejecting optical disks? I have a 030 Cube
with an internal OD drive running under NeXTStep 3.0, which can read
and write the optical disk, but cannot eject it. Neither by pulling
the OD into the recycler, nor by using 'eject' in the Workspace menu
(appears inactive). Once I logout, the OD ejects immediately. I never
had that problem under NeXTStep 2.1!

2. Is there a way to read a tar file that was recorded on DAT drive
attached to a Sun running Solaris 3.0, on the NeXT? I hooked up the
SCSI DAT from the Sun to the NeXT and used the '/dev/rst0' driver to
access the DAT. This works fine, but when I want to list the contents
in the archive using 'tar tvf /dev/rst0' it causes a 'tar I/O error'.
I have no problems extracting the files from the archive on an IRIS
Indigo. What am I doing wrong? Is there a fix?

Thanks, Jochen.

<jochen@surf.wff.nasa.gov>

<jklinke@dali.uphys.uni-heidelberg.de>

<jklinke@aeon.ucsd.edu>
(NeXTMail welcome)
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Organization:  School of Public Health, University of Minnesota
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:53:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Jim Goes <goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu>
From:         Jim Goes <goes@CHIMERA.SPH.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Looking for NeXTStep 3.0-compatible Gopher *Server*

> We've ordered the hardware & software to upgrade to a
> 68040 CPU, double the memory, add a CD-ROM drive and get
> NeXTStep 3.0 on CD.
>

> Our intent is to lead it out of the dark ages and its status
> as a doorstop and make use of it as a Gopher Server for the
> University Libraries to load with information to be made
> available University-wide (and beyond).
>

> I'm hoping that somebody can point me to a good, *stable*
> server someplace out there, that I can install with a
> *minimum* of difficult.
>

>

>


I suggest you contact the gopher development team here at the Univ.
of Minnesota (home of gopher!).  Their address is
gopher@boombox.micro.umn.edu.  They can help you with all the lastest
gopher upgrades and point you to server locations.  The current
gopher archives (incluidng NeXT) are on boombox.micro.umn.edu.--
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Jim Goes                + InterNet: goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu (NeXT!)
Health Mgmt & Policy    +             or goes@vx.acs.umn.edu (ascii)
School of Public Health + Phone:    (612) 624-3118
University of Minnesota + FAX:      (612) 624-3972
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"Veni, Vedi, Visa" "I came, I saw, I did a little shopping."
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:09:43 -0500
Reply-To:     Christopher Traynor <traynorc@PHIBRO.COM>
From:         Christopher Traynor <traynorc@PHIBRO.COM>
Subject:      Interface Builder Custom Palette Problem

All:
        I am attempting to create a custom palette in IB that utilizes an IBEdit
or.  I
 put a window instance in the pallete
nib file along with the pallette view window.  The nib gets loaded properly, but
 the window I am using as the interface
to the IBEditor never get unarchived.  I heard that there was an example on the
 archive that shows how to create a
custom palette - I think it was an address book example.  I do not have access
 to FTP from this site so if someone
could please send that example to me (and anything else that they could see as
 useful) I would be very grateful.
        Thanks in advance...


Chris
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:50:00 EST
Reply-To:     "J.Lance Wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <JLW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
From:         "J.Lance Wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <JLW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Looking for NeXTStep 3.0-compatible Gopher *Server*

Here at PSU Library Computing Services we have an *original* cube, still with
the 68030 CPU, a 600MB hard drive, and the original floptical drive.  It runs
1.0 NeXTStep.

We've ordered the hardware & software to upgrade to a 68040 CPU, double the
memory, add a CD-ROM drive and get NeXTStep 3.0 on CD.

Our intent is to lead it out of the dark ages and its status as a doorstop
and make use of it as a Gopher Server for the University Libraries to load
with information to be made available University-wide (and beyond).

I'm hoping that somebody can point me to a good, *stable* server someplace
out there, that I can install with a *minimum* of difficult.

I am *NOT* a Unix [systems] programmer; I understand C, but don't have the
vocabulary of the normal Unix programmer to recognize common Unix utilities
being invoked in a script file, for example.  Our previous experience with our
NeXT stopped at 1.0, which seemed too unstable and insecure to risk placing on
our network.  So I need something pretty self-installing if at all possible.
However, the important thing is to find a Gopher Server that can run on a NeXT
running NeXTStep 3.0 -- if that means I spend a few weeks/months getting up to
speed in NeXTStep or Unix, so be it; it'll just take longer, that's all.  We've
already ordered the Addison-Wesley 8-volume collection through Happy Man, so
we should have a pretty decent reference library shortly.

As an aside; when I subscribed to NEXT-L in mid-September, I also subscribed to
the Systems and Miscellaneous Digests; while NeXT-L has been active, nothing's
come across on either NEXTSY-D or NEXTMI-D... are they just very quiet or are
they dead?

+-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+
| J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            BitNet:    JLW@PSULIAS.BITNET      |
| Systems Design Specialist - Lead       InterNet:  JLW@PSULIAS.PSU.EDU     |
| Library Computing Services         AT&T:(814) 865-1818 FAX:(814)863-3560  |
| E8 Pattee Library                      "I'd rather be dancing..."         |
| Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       |
| University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close |
| <POSTMAST@PSULIAS.BITNET>     Unless the host that isn't close            |
| <POSTMAST@PSUCES.BITNET>      Is busy, hung or dead.                      |
+------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:05:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Jochen Klinke <jochen@SURF.WFF.NASA.GOV>
From:         Jochen Klinke <jochen@SURF.WFF.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      OD & tar problem

1. Has anybody had problems ejecting optical disks? I have a 030 Cube
with an internal OD drive running under NeXTStep 3.0, which can read
and write the optical disk, but cannot eject it. Neither by pulling
the OD into the recycler, nor by using 'eject' in the Workspace menu
(appears inactive). Once I logout, the OD ejects immediately. I never
had that problem under NeXTStep 2.1!

2. Is there a way to read a tar file that was recorded on DAT drive
attached to a Sun running Solaris 3.0, on the NeXT? I hooked up the
SCSI DAT from the Sun to the NeXT and used the '/dev/rst0' driver to
access the DAT. This works fine, but when I want to list the contents
in the archive using 'tar tvf /dev/rst0' it causes a 'tar I/O error'.
I have no problems extracting the files from the archive on an IRIS
Indigo. What am I doing wrong? Is there a fix?

Thanks, Jochen.

<jochen@surf.wff.nasa.gov>

<jklinke@dali.uphys.uni-heidelberg.de>

<jklinke@aeon.ucsd.edu>
(NeXTMail welcome)
From: EGP2RXD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Buddy)
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Subject: NeXT Hardware rumor
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: Buddy <EGP2RXD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
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Has anyone hear the rumor that NeXT will announce that they will
stop making Hardware come the firts of next year?  Someone at Comdex
picked this up.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:03:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Jim Goes <goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu>
From:         Jim Goes <goes@CHIMERA.SPH.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Slab and HP LaserJet IIIp/postscript - Problems???

I'm planning to purchase an HP LaserJet IIIp with a
postscript cartridge to connect (via switch box) with
both my 8/105 workstation and an IBM clone.  Has anyone on the list
successfully done this?  Are there any known problems with this
configuration?  Can anyone provide the correct PrintManager settings
for this configuration?  Any advice or tips would be appreciated.

--
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Jim Goes                + InterNet: goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu (NeXT!)
Health Mgmt & Policy    +             or goes@vx.acs.umn.edu (ascii)
School of Public Health + Phone:    (612) 624-3118
University of Minnesota + FAX:      (612) 624-3972
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"Veni, Vedi, Visa" "I came, I saw, I did a little shopping."
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:19:03 -0600
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Correction ...
Comments: To: History@ubvm.bitnet

As Lenny so ably pointed out, both Eisenhower and Nixon were re-elected
after FDR and before Reagan. One has to wonder, why is it over the history
of the Presidency that in the past 45 years, no Democrat served two full
terms? (LBJ came close, but under special circumstances, and only served
5 years instead of the "requisite eight" to count as a full two-term
President). Do Democrats represent things that episodically disturb the
voters enough to ensure no continuity of their policies? I believe FDR
and Wilson were the only two-term Democratic Presidents this century,
yet over all, Republicans have only held the Presidency a dozen more years than
the Democrats - 52-40. and Lenny, I can be as gloomy or bright as I feel,
and I do not believe it makes that much difference. I made an error in my
original post, here I admit same, ask a couple questions, and take my
curmudgeonly self off to bed! VMS
From: BM.LPD@RLG.BITNET (Deborah Leslie)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.history
Subject: Library Company closing
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:24:06 GMT
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The Library Company of Philadelphia will be *closed* to the
public on Friday, November 20 and Wednesday, November 25 due
to our construction/renovation project.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:40:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

On Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:19:43 EST Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
> Denis, what about Churchill, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower?  They took    t
> part in massive bombing of civilians.  Were they war criminals?
> If they were not, then how were they different from LBJ.

Good question -- and what about Harry Truman, who ordered
the use of nuclear weapons in Japan?

I suppose that there are degrees of criminality. Certainly
our domestic law recognizes degrees of criminality,
mitigating factors, &c &c. I believe that the war
crimes tribunals after 1945 also recognized this point.
So I suppose that one could ask whether the use of
methods that failed to distinguish between combatants
and noncombatants was as central to the strategies of
the WWII people as it was to the strategies of LBJ and
the Vietnam people.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
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