From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:02:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.discrimination
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


In article <79tk02fM2eDC01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes:
]>
]>Also, please explain how an AfAm whose ancestors came to the states
]>after the end of slavery is disadvanatged by it.
]
]Check your history, recent history that is.  Rosa Parks was arrested in the 
]early 60s for not giving up he seat on the bus.  "NO BLACKS SERVED HERE", 
]"BLACK TO THE REAR", etc. does that ring a bell, or are you just completely
]clueless?  You ignore Jim Crow laws of less than 30 years ago.
]It did not end when slavery ended since laws of this nation were still 
]in effect to systematically opress black folks.

Nitpick: Those were state laws, not federal laws. The main problem was that
the Supreme Court Justices at the time would not repeal such laws despite
the fact they were in violation of the Constitution. You know, the 13th, 14th,
and 15th amendments? 
 
]>
]>Also, please explain why a non-AfAm whose ancestors who came to the
]>US after the end of slavery should be required to bear the burden of
]>rectifying the problems caused by slavery.
]>
]
]Because they benefitted from the legacy of racism that hasn't ended yet.
]If you are non-AfAm, non-Native American, Eskimo, etc. , ie European 
]ancestory and your family has been here more than 30 years it benefited from
]those laws.  IF they did nothing to rectify the problem, then they are part
]of the problem.  I didn't see mases of white folks supporting MLK, some did
]but I would bet you it wasn't 1 out of 10.

Pardon me, Kent-sensei, I was born in 1970. How can I be blamed for something
that happened 30 years ago? Is your hatred of anybody with low melanin levels
so great that you can just blame them for things done before their births? My,
that sounds rather racist.

You are merely frothing for revenge and don't care who you hurt just that you
punish them because people like them did something to you and your ancestors.
That you think of this as "justice" makes it even more repugnant.
 
]>Finally, something I think you just don't get is that the rest of the
]>country is rapidly running out of patience with the idea that the
]>problems of today were caused by the way the great grandparents of one
]>group of people treated the great grandparents of another group of
]>people 150 years ago.  Other groups in the US seem to have avoided
]>being traumatized by much more recent events (i.e. Holocaust for Jews, war
]>and refugee camps for Vietnamese and Cambodians) and the constant
]>harping back to events from the 1800s just doesn't wash with people
]>who don't even know who their great grandparents were because war and
]>various forms of terror totally ripped apart their families in the
]>20th century, not the 19th.
]
]Check 30 years ago, see above.
]I'm getting tired of people in this newsgroup, white folks in particular that 
]ignore the fact that up until 30 years ago or so there were laws that were
]supported by the supreme court of this country that made it completely 
]legal to *FUCK* over my parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins 
]because they were black.

And you wish to rectify that situation by *FUCKING* over me, my parents, and
the rest of my family because they are white? Gee, maybe thirty years from now
my descendants will use that to start the whole damn thing over again. I hope
they don't but the young always were impetuous.

Pardon the profanity. I thought it would help make my point.
 
]If you can't see that the fact that slavery of 130 years, *NOT* 150 years ago
]is only part of the problem.  The real problem is for 100 years after slavery
]it was acceptable and even *LEGAL* to *FUCK* over black folks in good ole'
]ameriKKKa.

It would help your case better if you would cut out the cheap trickkks. 
Got it, KKKent?

Back to the usual flamewars.
 

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Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
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