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I'm not sure what really good means but ...

I have the Radio Schlock model and it gives me the weather if I keep it fed
with batteries.

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From: ohdav@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (David OH)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BIC Presto and other course slalom boards
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:26:03 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server

Hi Craig,

I've got the reverse of your problems. As a slalom & course slalom racer for
several years, I feel terrible sailing wavy boards. Even in waves I prefer
something wave-slalom (F2 Axxis!) rather than an out & out wave board (but
then again I'm no hotshot wave sailor). Here's why I like slalom boards.....

Yes,they are harder to sail initially. They do plane much earlier than wavy
stuff. I have three currently,two customs (9' 2" & 8' 9") and one Mistral
Explosion. These three cover an enormous wind range (from 7.5 sq M sail to
a 4.0sq metre). The slab sided rails help in upwind, so I can afford to blast
around and not worry so much about getting back to where I started from.
These boards are sailed from the fins,if you get things right,you get this
amazing "vacuum" feeling where the board is practically sailing off the fin
only. There's no way you will get this feeling on a wave board. The faster 
speeds help in chop hops etc. They can be jibed tight only if you commit 
everything. If you bank hard enough on a jibe, the board will almost snap
out towards the end of the arc. These boards also seem to work best with
slightly overpowered rigs. Most wave sailors don't sail overpowered.

There are too many factors involved in sailing these things right,so I guess
there is no one prescription. Some suggestions...you will need a more "locked
in" stance than with a wave board,without exerting too much pressure on the
back foot...keep the rig upright (more important than closing the gap)...
adjust the footstraps so that your heels can be used to steady the board
at the rails....use aggresive foot pressure on jibes, bank the rig and use
your front arm to pressure the rig down to flatten the board...use the step
gybe (ie step forward as you flip the rig)....etc etc. Keep at it, and these
speed machines will give you mucho fun.

Regards

Sukhdev "the trades are here!" Singh
sukhdev@hpss2.sgp.hp.com 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: uh311ae@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Henrik Klagges)
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:52:45 GMT

>Ken "let's get rid of the California central valley" Poulton

Hey, without the central valley, the DELTA wouldn't blow ! NO GOOD !
Henrik

From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:56:37 GMT
Subject: Re: The Clearing Winds
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Nice post, Luigi.

As this storm came in last Thursday, a bunch of us went out to Pillar
Point on the coast to catch the pre-storm southerlies.  Going up 280 at
1:45, I was in an incredible burst of wind and rain, waving my weather
radio's antenna around inside the car for better reception.  I finally
caught the 1:00 report: south 30 knots, gusting to 45!  20 minutes later
I arrived at the harbor - it was dead calm.  A half-dozen glum-looking
sailors were there, some packing up, some just standing around.  It
was pretty damn good while it lasted, but no one had gotten enough.

Oh well...


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:58:15 GMT

In article <12600417@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
>In rec.windsurfing, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Dec9.230303.4193@walter.bellcore.com> ngs@bellcore.com writes:
>
>> >measuring the wind speed from the top of a 10' seawall and at the
>> >waterline 100' away. I consistently got 5 knots more on the seawall.
>> 
>> The wind at water level is slower than the wind as measured at 10'
>> above the water............
>
>Plus the wind is probably accelerating going over a seawall.
>
>tom.

Thats precisely the reason why the wind is stronger when measured on areas
such as seawalls or jetties. From all this talk I was prompted to get the
full picture from the wind hotline. The hotline meter is situated about 1/4
of a mile from my actual sailing spot. It is housed on a pole high above
the roof of a restaurant.

The average speed was 35 MPH. Frequent gusts were measured in the mid 40's.
The highest gust was 57 MPH. This was saturday (12/5) when I was on a 3.9 
with a semi sinker wave board. I may add the 3.9 was a high cut wave sail 
(ART wave pro). I rigged it with a loose head to spill the gusts. I was 
fairly comfortable but would have been happier with a 3.0 or so.

On an added note, I sailed thursday (12/10) before the big storm 
(thats another story) again on the 3.9. The average wind was again 35 MPH. 
However, the gusts were in the low 40's with the hoghest reading in at 45 MPH. 
That was a much more sailable day on my 3.9. In fact I was very comfortable 
with it. I was hitting around 75% of my jibes when on saturday I was hitting 
less than 20%.

So, my first estimates of winds hitting in the 40's was correct. Even if
we reduce the speed 5 or 10%.



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AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
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From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:55:29 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


This weekend I met a friend who handed me an 8 page book with a title
of "GONE WITH THE WIND".  My first thought was that someone had given him a copy
of Luigi's articles.  After looking closer I found that it was a copy of an 
article from Forbes Magazine.  It was written by Henry Allen and Paul Cox.  

It is a description of learning to Windsurf in Aruba and is a very well written
piece.  Probably the most memorable line is in a section which discusses 
whether you are addicted or not.  It goes as follows:  "You notice you can
think about windsurfing during sex, but you rarely think about sex during
windsurfing."

I received the article Saturday morning and was sitting in my hot tub Saturday
evening with my wife.  The view from the hot tub looks out over a very snowy
Columbia River Gorge.  My wife broke into my thoughs with a statement.  "You
are humming Red Sails in the Sunset aren't you?"  She was correct and some
how she seemed a little miffed that I had not been thinking about her.  I 
showed her the article and she now knows the truth about addicted windsurfers.
She sails also so that helps at least a little.
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:53:30 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1672@tekgen.bv.tek.com> wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart) writes:
>By the time you reach Rooster Rock the strong wind has shifted to the 
>Washington side.  I have seen days when there was a one to one and a half
>meter difference from one side of the river to the other.  The wind will
>also be much stronger at Rooster Rock that it was at Dalton Point.
>I never use a wind meter because it will almost always lie.  The best way
>is to talk to someone who is comming in or watch the amount of sideways
>spray that is comming off the waves.  Even a little sideways spray on
>East wind meeans 3.5 or less.
>

I think it also depends on if the east wind has a north or south
component to it.  If it has a northerly component, the wind will be
stronger (at Cock Rock) on the Oregon side.  If it has a southerly
component, the wind will be better on the Washington side.

East winds in the Gorge are always stronger than they appear since
the current is in the same direction and it takes A LOT of wind to
get good caps and spray going.  

I've been to RR some mornings when there was whitecaps in my coffee
mug [8^)

Ken
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:10:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Internships in Nice Windsurfing spots...
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

A junior EE student writes:

>			WINDSURF!
>Then, there is the other nagging thought:
>		"I'm a Junior and I should really be doing
>		an internship."

this is too easy even for the "Gong Show"

Silicon Valley, Electronics Companies, SF bay, Summer Fog at the Coast,
100 Degrees 25 Miles inland, need I say more......

This is your brain........who needs drugs with all the above?

I work at the S end out the valley and it is only 30 minutes North to Coyote 
Pt where we sail 9 out of 10 days from May/June through Sept. within a
2 hr drive.

Kirk out
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Experiences with Ecstasy?
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:17:54 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Dec17.223744.7682@sco.com> soheilz@sco.COM (Soheil Zahedi) writes:
>Anybody out there have any experience with Mistral's Ecstasy?
>
>-What types of conditions you've sailed it in.

	4.6-4.0 out at Swell City.
>-What fins you've used on it.

	a 9.25" Dill 
>-Waves Jumps?

	It handled fairly well and it liked to sky some kiler airs. The overall
	rating that I would give this board on a scale of 1-10 would be a 8.5.
	I liked it alot, easy to sail, easy to jype, easy to jump. It's typical
	from Mistral to get a hull that is such a pleasure to sail. It was also
	forgiving on jybes which is normal for wavy boards. Unfortunetly the
	demo that I had broke. I'm not going to comment on the durability
	'cause Ive seen Mistral's go thru hell and back and survive. I was
	throwing alot of endos with it and a couple table-tops, and who knows
	what the guy before me did to it.

	Get out there and try it out.


	I would like to get out and try it at our local wavesailing spots.
	Also, the balance point and swing weight were *very* well placed.

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From: keith@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Keith Millar)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:38:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Baja Excursion
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I just spent a week in Baja (Nov 21-29) and although we were too early for 
really good wind, I got the scoop on some cool spots. 

Los Barilles (sp?) in Baja Sur everyone spoke of as a windy spot, and since its
on the sea of cortez side it will be flatter. Also just south of La Paz where 
there are some smaller islands, there were some bay sailing spots which some 
locals said gets really windy- I forgot the name, something like punta ventana.

Don't forget your dive/snorkel gear- the beach diving is very good. 


Enjoy y muchas viento,

Keith Millar

keith@hp-ptp.hp.com


PS: And if you make it to cabo san jose/san lucas, find the place called 
pueblo sereno- The finest lobster and margaritas in that area for cheap and 
there's a camping place next to the restaurant.
From: dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:24:49 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

In article <1992Dec15.200451.15306@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>
>Take your set of stories.  Wrap it in a pointless plot that is a metaphor
>for the mindless jibe, reach, jibe,... that is windsurfing.  Add some
>people, some events, maybe even some real life.  You have a novel.
>Try to get it read by publishers.  Take chapters and peddle them to
>magazines.

Heck, I'm bored. Let's name all the movies ever made (not WS videos) that 
contain windsurfing themes or scenes. I know there is one in my local video
store that is actually a movie with a plot and actors and is set in Australia.
Has anyone seen it? Is it really bad like the WS videos, coming across like
a cheap porno? I have to bring myself to rent it some day, if I can get past
my revulsion of the picture of the WS w/ teak booms on the cover. The only
other movie I can remember had Martin Short (I think) getting blown out to sea.


-dan@kronos.com

"I've got an idea forming in my brain"
			-Time Bandits
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:04:51 GMT

In article <1giqtoINNs9m@agate.berkeley.edu> luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.164159.7972@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi
>(Juri Munkki) writes:
>
>However, having been compared (indirectly if you wish) to Eric
>Sanford, I am giving in to a strong urge to defend myself.  My stories

I mostly dislike E.S.  Luigi, you write better.

>I can't avoid writing about misfortunes because when everything goes
>well there is little to write about.  Maybe I had a lot of fun, but
>that would look utterly boring on paper.  The hint, however, is
>useful.  Perhaps there are other interesting things to write about.
>
>Luigi


Take your set of stories.  Wrap it in a pointless plot that is a metaphor
for the mindless jibe, reach, jibe,... that is windsurfing.  Add some
people, some events, maybe even some real life.  You have a novel.
Try to get it read by publishers.  Take chapters and peddle them to
magazines.

I think that if nothing else you'll love the experience since you
clearly love to write.  But getting a book published is really hard.
Getting good writing published in sports magazines on the basis of
good writing is a self defeating concept.

Take the Italian tourist and make him fade into and out of the novel
in many places.

have fun!
-andy

From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:06:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Mast stiffness measurement
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes:

> Some of the advertised masts have an MCS number like 25 or 30 and
> some don't.  What does the MCS measurement mean?

MCS refers to a system whereby the mast is supported 4 inches in from each
end and a 30Kg. weight is hung from the middle.  MCS is a number which
is obtained my dividing the mast length by the deflection at the middle.
The more the deflection; the lower the number; the softer the mast.  The
deflections at the 1/4 and 3/4 are also measured.  Those measurement give
the curve type.
 
> How is the MCS number related to the DIN number?

I don't know how DIN is measured.  The higher the number; the stiffer the
mast, so there is some relativity.
 
> How can I figure out what the stiffness is of my current fiberglass
> masts that came with my O'Brien and F2 boards?

Do an MCS calculation.
 
> What is the difference in behavior between fiberglass, epoxy,
> aluminum and carbon fiber masts?  Obviously fiberglass is likely
> to be the heaviest and carbon fiber the lightest, but what other
> differences should I expect?

Carbon also recovers from a gust quicker.
 
> How can I tell if a mast is constant curve or flex top?

If the 1/4 deflection is <63% of the middle and the 3/4 is >80%, 
it is flextop.  If the 1/4 is >63% and the 3/4 is <80%, it is 
constant curve.
 
> Are there any other advantages of a 2-piece mast over a 1-piece mast
> besides being able to put it inside my car instead of on top?

No.
 
Any inaccuracies, Brad?
From: garyb@gcm.com (Gary Blumenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:10:53 GMT
Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Roger Christal (rogerc@ssd.intel.com) wrote:
: Anyway, there were a couple of guys rigging to go out.  The conditions
: were not unlike the Rooster Rock conditions shown in the "Raw Power"
: and "Screaming Waters" videos.  Because of family obligations, I
: couldn't stick around to watch the carnage.  Wish I could have.  I
: even had my video camera with me.  Sigh.

I can attest to this.  I saw Roger's video!  What do they call it,
liquid smoke?  Yes, thats it.  Truly unbelievable.  What seems
to look like fog over a lake is really wind-whipped water blasting
off the crests of the swells that gives it the appearance of steam
travelling sideways the same speed as the wind.  It was a total white
out. 

Anyone care to jump into a volvano?  Stand in front of a freight train?
I can't imagine myself venturing out in that stuff.  I would probably die!
-- 
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From: ba432@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard D. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Jamboree Troop Accomodations Washington DC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 03:53:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ba432@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard D. Scott)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Hello all,

	I am new to this USENET SIG but find the conversations going on
very interesting.  I especially appreciate the discussion of
consolidation/merger policy since my (our) council is going through that
now.

	But now to the point of this message:  I am fortunate enough to
have been selected for the position of Scoutmaster for our (my) council's
'93 Jamboree troop.  Through some confusion and lack of communciations we
find that our sleeping accomodations in DC have not in fact been confirmed.
 We have made back up arrangments at Fort Belvoir near Alexandria.  This
will require that we unload our tents from the bus and set them up.  Not
impossible but we would like to find a dormatory or barracks if possible. 
This could be tough because of the time.  Anyway the question is:

	Does anyone out there know where I could find accomodations for 36
boys and four leaders for a National Jamboree Troop for the nights of July
30 & 31 and August 1.  We owuld like to find economical ( read free )
places to stay while touring in the DC area.  Appreciate your reply via
E-MAIL  here.  Thanks much.

Yours in Scouting,
Dick Scott
Scoutmaster, Jamboree Troop #332
Northeast Ohio Council

-- 
                                                         \\  //
   Dick Scott, Mentor Ohio                                \\//
Just another average white guy trying to make a living.  \||||
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From: roge0028@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:50:12 GMT

The announcements song we used to do at camp went like this:

Announcements,announcements,announcements
A terrible way to die, A terrible way to die, A terrible way to
	be talked to death, A terrible way to die.
Announcements, Announcements, Announcements.

It was then followed by::
We lost our cow, We lost our cow, So we have no need 
	For your Bull now

There is ours, I'm sure you will get many others

---BTW anyone know "waddat'n'chew"?


--Chris
--Eagle Scout '88


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:              SOME FAMOUS BILLS
: "My mother was a fish" -Vardaman -As I Lay Dying -Bill Faulkner
: "Words, words, words!" -Hamlet -Hamlet -Bill Shakespeare
: "I am not a Womanizer!!!" -Bill Clinton
: "Oh Noooooooooo!" -Mr. Bill
: "Congress shall pass no law concerning..." -Bill of Rights
: "Help! I'm being devalued!!" -Dollar Bill
: "$75.95" -Phone Bill
: "THPTT" -Bill the Cat 
: "Hulk just want to smash!!" -Bill Bixby
: "and then I'll kill your children.....and their pets" -Bill Munney      
: "Go easy on him Ward" -Billingsley
: "Vhat???" -Billy Crystal
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: "10^9" -Billion
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: hathaway@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Jamboree Troop Accomodations Washington DC
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:36:13 GMT

In article <1gotkaINN329@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ba432@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard D. Scott) writes:
> 
>                        We would like to find economical ( read free )
> places to stay while touring in the DC area.  

There are many people living free on the streets of DC even now.  ;-) 
(To put it bluntly, if offensively, the place is filthy with the homeless.) 
While it can be done, I do not recommend your group following their example.  
But when touring the city, please look for them and reflect on the conditions 
that led them to such an existance.  Survival training in the wilderness of 
a modern city may indeed be more rigorous than forest, mountain, etc. survival.
And you can't use knives (illegal) or fires (ditto), or items of value (liable 
to be stolen) ... .  The best piece of equipment is a pair of feet for walking 
away.  

Good luck in following up the other accomodation suggestions.  

Wm. Hathaway 
Troop 5 
Galway NY 1960-1964 (a looooong way from DC)
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: My Scout Law Posting
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:06:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


To those who got my incomplete Scout Law posting before I was
able to delete it from the system, my appologies.

My system gives me a 1 hour time limit before I get blown off.
I was only 1/4 way thru my typing when I got a 5 min warning,
so I posted the file, saved it as a file, then deleted it.

I'll finish typing the file over the weekend, and repost it in its
entirety.

BTW  what do you all think of my postings so far?


	Paul Wolf