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From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Irani trophy update
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:27:06 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Hello, fellas:

Here's a bit of news from our friend Srinivas in India. The Irani trophy game
is underway and the gist of the scores at the end of day 2 are here. 

For those who are not aware of the setup in India, Irani trophy match is played
between the national champion side (Ranji Trophy Winners) and a team made up of
the best(supposedly. You know how these things are...) of the rest of India. 

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These are the Irani trophy update.

ROI 1st innings.   638 all out.   Raman 184,   kambli 94,   praveen 84
                                  yadav 86
Delhi              86 for 1

2 days up.   Shall send score card when the match is over.

srinivas.
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Another bit of news I read on the net said Vishy has been made Chairman of
selection committee, and Wadekar the manager to SA. I have mixed feelings about
both...... Though I am Vishy's fan (and I am somewhat aware of how the zonal
loyalty comes into play while selecting the Indian team - the man representing
South Zone is busy forwarding his claims, and the men from North, East, West
and Central are busy likewise, thus leaving no time for common discussions), I
cannot forget the fact that Mohinder Amarnath was dropped from the Indian team
(much like Gower has been dropped now) for no apparent cricketing-reasons, when
Vishy was on the selection committee. So Vishy was one of the "jokers"
.........

Wadekar's tenure as India's captain was marred by the debacle of 1974 in
England. There was rampant dissension within the team and things were so
mishandled that Sudhir Naik ended up pleading guilty to some atrocious charges
of shoplifting, and Bedi had to be disciplined for going on air(BBC TV)
criticising the management. These were just a couple of incidents which people
can remember about Wadekar's tenure. But also to be remembered are the two
historic series victories against WI and England in 1971 under his leadership. 

Anyway, good luck to the team, whoever is on that. 

I shall post the Irani scores as soon as I get them.

-Murali.
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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Re: NEWSFLASH - Irani Trophy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:59:59 GMT

In article <00961626.8E875300@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.211553.4429@news.acns.nwu.edu>, sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:
>>	Just got a newsflash from a friend in India, about the Irani trophy
>>game in progress at the moment ( I thought it would be about to start now,
>>seems it's already been going for a couple of days ).
>>	Rest of India batted first, and seem to have racked up 638 all out.
>>Delhi in response are 86 for 1.
>>	Almost no details at all, except that for ROI Raman got 184,
>>Kambli 94 , Praveen Amre 84, and Yadav ( I presume Vijay ) 86. 
>
>Sadiq, I heard from perhaps the same friend, the following this morning:
>

	:-) :-) Iam sure it is, I didn't know you were getting the updates
too :-) 

>3RD DAY'S PLAY:    DELHI ALL OUT 230 FOLLOWING ON AND 127 FOR 2 IN THE 2ND
>INNINGS.
>
>KUMBLE 7 FOR (NOT TO SURE APPROX 50.) TWICE ON HAT.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I put the above in caps so that no one will miss it.
>
>Kumble will now have enhanced his claims, and rightly so, IMHO.
>

	Enhanced his claims is right !! Would like to offer a public
apology to PVR for ever doubting his favourite bowler . I think Kumble
_will_ probably go, after all. I don't suppose SA is particularly good at
playing leg spin, and bouncy pitches ought to help the leggie too. The
selectors were probably desparately looking for a leggie to come thru, and
boy has Kumble come thru - on the day before selection too !! Let this be a
lesson to all the young 'uns on the net, never doubt what PVR says, it's a
very foolish thing to do :-) . I shall " kan pakadke uth beth karo " a
couple of hundred times in penance :-) :-) 

			Sadiq [ eating humble pie ] Yusuf

>More news as it comes in.
>
>-Murali
From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Misc- Crumbs from the table.....
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:23:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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	A collection of crumbs from the master's table.
				:-{>

GOWER
^^^^^
	The Sunday Observer (UK) reports that the paper has received
1650 + letters in favour of selecting Gower and 2 letters backing the
selectors decision to drop him.  Many of those who wrote in are supposed to
be MCC members and a prelimnary MCC vote (to schedule a general body) vote
is expected to pass.  The idea is to pass a vote of no-confidence against
the English selectors to force a Gower recall.


New Zealand
^^^^^^^^^^^
	New Zealand is scheduled to play Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe.  This would
be Zimbabwe's first test.  The test match will be interrupted after day #3
to play a one-day game.  The test resume afterwards.  This is the first time
this has happened and in-sha-allah it will be the last.
Obviously, the fixture man was bored and decided to liven things up.

	New Zealand then fly off to Lanka to lose a series of tests (3 ?).
						;->	

Malcom Marshall
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Malcom Marshall has signed a contract with Natal (?) to play in
South Africa.  Viv Richards has one year left in his contract with Durham
(or was it Glamorgan ?). He plans to retire afterwards.
I wonder if he will play in the land of Apartheid? Marshall swore he would 
not ever do so as did Richards.


Indian 1st Class Cricket - ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I noticed that "First Class Fixtures" in India happen to be
tall scoring matches.  With scores consistently climbing into the
500 + range, is it any wonder that the standard of Indian bowling
has dropped to an all time low?  This is turn seems to spoil the batsmen
who crumble on World Class wickets against World Class bowlers.
I would even venture to say that Lankan bowlers are better trained
and prepared than their Indian brethren. This was not the case 15 years ago.
That says a lot considering that "we" Lankans have a miserable few to
choose from.

	The Aussies who recently visited Lanka were surprised to see
lush green wickets.  They expected to see dust bowls like the ones found so
often in India and Pakistan.  The sooner the Indians wise up and improve their
wickets the better.  I wonder what chance Ind/Pak/SL/Ba have of hosting a
joint World Cup if the wickets are going to be sub-standard in the 
sub-continent.

Any comments?

- Vaseeharan

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From: yelton@uful07.phys.ufl.edu (John M. Yelton)
Subject: Re: Best england XI since 1970
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:42:40 GMT

In article <1acqmoINN3nk@aludra.usc.edu> vnesiah@usc.edu (Deep Third Man) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.133741.9480@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>>
>>After the worst England XI since 1970 here's the best one (IMHO)
>
>>1. Geoff Boycott (Yorkshire)
>>2. Graham Gooch (Essex)
>>3. David Gower (Leicestershire/Hampshire)
>>4. Derek Randall (Nottinghamshire)
>>5. Tony Greig (Sussex)
>>6. Ian Botham (Somerset/Worcestershire/Durham)
>>7. Alan Knott (Kent) (wk)
>>8. Ray Illingworth (Yorkshire/Leicestershire) (captain)
>>9. Derek Underwood (Kent)
>>10. John Snow (Sussex/Warwickshire)
>>11. Bob Willis (Surrey/Warwickshire)
>>12th man Mike Gatting (Middlesex)
>
>Gooch over Amiss?
I would be tempted to play both.
>
>Did Cowdrey play in the early 70s? 
Too late for his prime
>
>Can't you think of somebody else?
If the team is to play the Aussies bring back David Steele!
If 1990 is included then Robin Smith gets my vote.
>
>I say make Randall the 12th man and put a specialist bat in there.
>
>Willis is also not a good choice IMHO. 
>No better than Lever.
>Pringle (Derek) at his best (mid 80s) would have been a better choice.
I like Pringle but in an all-star team? He has never been sure of his
place for England. 
>
And now for a trivia question. What England batsman of the era 1970-1990
has the best batting average (minimum 10 completed innings to keep 
out Andy LLoyd who was never out, just concussed).
Few people get this one right without looking it up.
>
>
>
>- Vaseeharan
>
>


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From: gandhi@cliff.se.hou.compaq.com (Deepak Gandhi)
Subject: Is it a no-ball or a wide?
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:22:58 GMT


Ok, this has been happening too often - time to clear up...

Is there any WRITTEN LAW for limited over matches that describes how to
call a ball above shoulder height?  I remember, in the World cup finals,
it was called a "no-ball", but was that rule specific to the 1992 world
cup, or is it a general rule?

Also, does the (non-striker end) Umpire have any say on such deliveries,
or is it totally the leg Umpire's call?

Thank you all in advance.
Deepak

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Compaq Computer Corp.			   gandhi@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com
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From: nitin@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Nitin Bhave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Ramblings (Re: NEWS FLASH - Azhar captain)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:49:04 GMT
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA

>A while ago, when I saw Spaceman Spiff's post asserting that Wadekar did not
>quit but was dropped after the 1974 series against England

Actually, Wadekar was dropped by the West Zone selectors. He kind of
anticipated the mood of the national selectors and just called it a day.
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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:59 GMT

In article <geoffb.718006174@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> geoffb@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (G Berry) writes:
>5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>>Here is my ALL World team of 80's
>>1.Gavaskar
>>2.Greenidge
>>3.Richards
>>4.Miandad
>>5.Gower
>>6.M.Crowe
>>7.Kapil Dev
>>8.Imran Khan
>>9.Dujon
>>10.Hadlee
>>11.Qadir
>
>My team is:
>
>Gavaskar, Greenidge, Richards, Chappell, Miandad, Border, Imran, Marsh,
>Hadlee, Marshall, Lillee. 
>
>Rationale:
>
>Chappell and Border clearly achieved more than Gower and Crowe, though
>admittedly Gower is better to watch than Border, he is not deserving of
>a place in this team based on his achievements.
>
>The records of Marshall and Lillee are far superior to Kapil and Qadir, and
>after all the 80's were the years of the pace bowlers so why pick a spinner?
>
>I'd argue that Marsh, Bari, Kirmani and Smith were all better keepers than
>Dujon. Knott was better than all of these but did he play in the 80's? 
>-- 
>Michael Fahey         | Internet: mikef@pub.health.su.oz.au
>Dept of Public Health | UUCP: uunet!munnari.oz.au!pub.health.su!mikef
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A few more comments...

It is not really fair to compare the records of fast bowlers with spinners,
especially in a decade where pace seemed the order of the day in many 
regions.  I also think Lillee was passed his best in the '80s, although
I'm not sure about the early '80s.  My pick for the bowling attack would
be (in no particular order):

Hadlee
Marshall
Garner (?)
Qadir
Imran/Botham

(who am I forgetting?)

Hadlee and Marshall were automatic for me.  The guy who said that Hadlee
had more chance to bowl to tailenders than Marshall et al may have a 
point, but watching Hadlee make some of the great batsmen of the decade
look very ordinary did much to convince me that there is no way to 
exclude him.  Many of the above batsmen were humbled by Hadlee more 
than once.  Garner's awkward bounce made him very dangerous, and a 
bit of variety can't hurt.  Qadir was nearly unplayable on tracks that 
suited him - unfortunately he didn't travel well, so may be dropped 
depending on the ground.  I was tempted to put Wasim Akram in the list,
since he impressed from the beginning (1985 or so), but I guess he
wasn't really a force for the greater part of the decade.  

Comments?

Cheers, Paul

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From: karnik@exa.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: INDIAN TEAM to SA/ZIMBABWE
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:26:01 GMT

In <92276.115214SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Sanjay.Naik@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) says:
>>
>>        Didn't he do well against the Windies too? I thought it was
>>against the Windies that Raman got 97 odd. I was hoping that we'd get two
>>
>raman scored 81 on his test debut vs the WI. he also got a 95 in an ODI vs the
>WI during the same tour. i think it was prabhakar who got a 97(?) vs NZ. i'm
>not sure about raman, however.

	Raman did have a score of 90+ in one of the Tests in NZ, probably in
the same test when Prabhakar got his 97.

>SXK129@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                                Penn State University

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From: parama@schoenberg.cs.unc.edu (Paramasivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Indian Team Selected
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:06:20 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

[Maninder being thirty years old or something to that effect]

>	Check, Iam almost certain that Mani can't be 30. Will try and check
>that , and get back to you.
>

Maninder is 27. He made his debut at 17, ten years ago, thus becoming India's
youngest test player, a distinction that now belongs to SRT.

--P2
From: papadopoulos-dimitrios@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitrios Papadopoulos)
Subject: Re: Worst test Batsman
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:17:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.000146.3605@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> aksimha@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.164654.22592@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>>yelton@uful07.phys.ufl.edu (John M. Yelton) writes:
>>
>>
>>Incidentally, MAK exhibitted the same razor like wit many times as a
>>tv expert commentator, and he was darned good with his comments about
>>the game as well.  In the early 1980's Indian cricket was truly dull,
>>with both sides having to struggle to finish their first innings in 5
>>days, nothing livened up the afternoon session like seeing Ferdun
>>deSilva being skewered by Pat... 
>>
>  Ok. Bharat, that was Fredun De Vitre. Yeah, Yeah, nitpicking, eh? :-)
>
>     During the 1983-84 tour of the Windies, Fredun remarked for the 
>     umpteenth time, "Incidentally, Dujon comnes from the same school as
>     Jerry Alexander!". The Noob added dryly, "Yes, You mentioned it before."
>     Reminds one of the Monty Python argument skit. ( "I told you once")
>      Of course, his terse comments were a joy to hear...
>     " Rather silly shot, that!"
>
>     " Tahir Naqqash runs faster than he bowls."
>
>     " Remarkable decision by the umpire (after a LBW) considering the fact
>       that even the keeper was moving towards leg slip to collect the ball."
>
>    .. any more?  
>
>
>
>
>
>>Bharat "Trotting down memory lane"
>>
>   Arun Simha
>
>


* When India was on its way to victory at B'bay against Keith Fletcher's
  England,Pat was busy updating us with Michael Ferrera's winning effort
  at World Cup Billiards pointing out all the time that it is more fun
  watching Mike than boring cricket going on in that particular session.

* When Gower was given out LBW in the last innings of the same match
  he had some very interesting things to say about the decision.

* This was at B'bay again when India was playing against Clive Lloyds
  Windies in 1983.In the first session on the opening day,Vengsarkar 
  was beaten outside offstump while trying a cover drive.The commentator
  said to the effect that had the bat been couple of centimeters furthur,
  Vengi would have been on his way back to the pavilion.Pat retorted to that
  if one add another half a cm to that it would have been as glorious a
  cover drive as one can see.:-)


--Pushkar
From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: david gower
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:35:42 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <ramesh.717384248@menaik>, ramesh@cs.UAlberta.CA (Ramesh S.
Sankaranarayana) says:
>
>Of all the stupid, moronic, dastardly, $#@@$# deeds that have ever been
>done in the history of English cricket, this surely must be the worst.
>It is as good as dropping Gavaskar (unthinkable) in the days before he
>retired. Am sure that the Indians fans will be very disappointed. Gower
>was/is a delight to watch. Sorry, had to let of steam...
>
gavaskar was scheduled to be "rested" for an ODI a few years back, but there
was such an uproar that he had to be brought back. of course, he responded by
scoring about 65-70. unfortunately i can't remember any details.
anyway, after all this, i hope gooch has to go thru something like this a
little later in his career, when someone else is the blue-eyed boy of the TCCB,
and that someone prevails upon the selectors to drop gooch for some trumped-up
reasons.
no argument can justify the shabby treatment meted out to gower.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273)
Subject: Re: Irani Update - Oct 1st.
Reply-To: shamim@bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 15:14:19 GMT

In article 15FB2940@vms.csd.mu.edu,  9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes:
>Hi folks:
>
>Here is the latest update as promised(Of course, I could not have kept any
>promise if our Srinivas had not come thru again).
>
>************************************************************************
>
>Rest of India : 638 all out (1st innings)
>WVR : 184,  Siddhu : 59,  VK : 94,  PA : 86,  Yadav : 82 and Maninder : 3
>
>Delhi : 229 all out (1st innings)
>Lamba : 89, Kumble : 21-4-64-7
> Follow on 409 runs behind.
>(2nd innings)
>  287 all out
>Kumble : 35-10-74-6
>  All his wickets were caught by V. Kambli.
Isn't this a record of some kind, I wonder. 
I suspect Kambli was fielding at forward short leg and 
Kumble was bowling top spinners? Can anybody confirm both these 
conjectures? 

---
	--SAN

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From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: {Was Re: richest county contract} Playing truant
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:59:12 GMT

In article <0096162B.4FEAEF80@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>Point taken, Prem. And never did I say that they should have continued to play
>in the league and ignore the call for the national selection. Am I wrong in
>believing there was a better way of doing what they did? Just imagine. Two
>Indian league-players, crying off at the same time, reason given being "unfit",
>the medical certificates obtained from the same doctor, and soon thereafter,
>playing full-swing for their home sides back in India. Whatever the reason for
>the actions, don't you think we should be straightforward about the whole
>thing? If they had been ready to pay the fines, they could have done so right
>at the beginning, by putting their cards on the table. These underhanded deals
>may be the momentary solution to their "pressing" problems, but in the long
>run, it does not pay. The medical certificate thing is like people used to do
>back home, to avail sick-leave for attending a friend's marriage. All the
>parties involved --the doctor, the boss and the employee-- know the truth. The
>difference here is that the "boss" is not willing to accept this farce at
>face-value. And the action the "boss" here takes is to ban all Indian
>cricketers from league cricket in that county! Desirable? 

We all don't know the real situation that existed at that time. So I don't
think we can comment on the player's action based on the given news. Maybe
that was the only way out for them that time. While I accept that the board
can play dirty tricks, I can't imagine the players jeopardising their future
English league chances just like that.

>
>That's my opinion, if you want to go ahead and call it bullshit, feel free. But
>you won't be able to change the way people--including me-- look at things. As I
>said at the beginning of this note, I do see that the two are desperate to
>please the authorities, and would have given anything to be considered for the
>SA tour. A bit of proper planning and thinking is bound to fetch better
>results, leaving no bitter taste in anybody's mouths. If one is dependent on
>someone else for a livelihood, one better play by that someone-else's rules, as
>long as the rules are reasonable. If not dependent, sure, call it bullshit as
>you did, and walk away. 
>
>
>-Murali

Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan vs Rest of The World
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:31:05 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Sep30.223504.27576@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@bellcore.com writes:
>The organisers in NY are really not to blame for Downing Stadium. Getting Shea or some 
>other such place is just too damn expensive. I spoke to the organisers and there is 
>
>simply no way they can afford the sums involved. 
>
	Ofcourse Shea may have its own problems.  A couple of times
	in the late 80's the visiting teams did manage to get the
	100,000+ capacity L.A. Colosium.  The hard-surface track is
	a problem.

	I think Shamim Sahib should move to the West Coast.  This way
	we (the ones with the ground) will have our own Asif Iqbal of
	connections.  Failing that, it will be one extra ticket that
	we will be able to sell :-)

	j n a.
>
>	--SAN
From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Indian Team
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bvo2zD.IFA
Organization: Rice University


In article <Bvnqst.25F@cs.psu.edu>, tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:

|> In article <5b864daee.0038c4c@myrrh.engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:

|> >......). Spots of joy - Raman (India's answer to David Gower) and Jadeja (most
|> 				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|> I wonder...do you live on the same planet as I do...the one called Earth?


Raman may not compare to Gower, but there is no one in India right now who can
compare to Raman! Raman is a *very elegant* batsman to watch. Probably you never
saw Raman batting. If you did, I'm sure you wouldn't have responded this way.


|> Mahesh.


PVR