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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:44:33 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: And the nominees are....
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On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:13:42 EST Kerry Stephenson said:
>
>Best Self-Deprecation:  "If Clinton's [whatever], then I'm
>    a world-champion speller"  (Quayle)

      For more than a month the media have been telling us that Bill
      Clinton and Al Gore are "moderates."  Well, if they're moderates,
      I'm a world champion speller.

>Best Evidence of Fairness:  Pro-choice Lynn Martin nominating Bush

      This wasn't done out of fairness:  it was done from demographics.
      Since Illinois is one of the next-important states (after the
      obvious California, Texas, and Florida), giving her attention
      helps connect /c those in Illinois.

>and, finally, hands down, unanimous award from the tv viewing audience,
>Best of Show:   CSPAN.  Nobody else even comes close.

      It's called no commentary.  Set up the cameras and let the people
      decide for themself.  Unlike Dan ", I'd Rather Not".

>It's gonna be an interesting 3 months.  (I *knew* Bush knew what he
>was doing.)

      He appears to know what he's doing like a relief pitcher coming
      in to at the start of the bottom of the ninth inning with a
      a three run lead, walking the bases full, and making a full count.
      He's had four years to show what he's doing.  Receiving a second
      term is like a promotion -- (we like what you're doing and want
      you to keep doing it) -- the question is:  has what he's done
      been worth a promotion?

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:04:33 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      kerry, have you been inhaling?

Missy president wish-to-be says:"the republicans are the party of
civilized debate on every issue".

If this is true, why did George Bush refuse to answer questions on his
policies at a recent news conference and tell the questioners to shut
up and listen? Shut up and listen does not equal debate.

Why wasn't the abortion debate conducted during the convention if the
party is so eager to encourage debate? I'm sure that the pro-choice
republican faction would have welcomed an open forum for debate.

Someone needs to tell george that we are voting for the president in
November, not to dump the congress. Anyone in netland know how many
republicans voted in favor of the congressional pay raise?
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:26:45 -0600
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading List

I read Foreign Affairs, World Press Review, Smithsonian, Washington Post
Weekly, RFE/RL daily bulletins, 190-300 books a year, listen to NPR (and
through public radio, I also hear Monitor Radio and the BBC. I also watch
ABC occasionally, CNN two or three times a day. I take Newsweek, read
three issues out of four, buy Time off the newsstand once a month or so.
Plus I read forty lists on the net. I only wish I did not have to sleep,
lots out there to pay attention to. I pay attention to history, of Europe
and the XUSSR, plus China, east European, post-Soviet politics. I stay
away from African, Central and South American affairs, who has time? VMS
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From: dletcher@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Drew Letcher)
Subject: Iowa Political Stock Market prices
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:27:41 GMT


Iowa Political Stock Market prices as of Thursday August 20, 1992:

PRESIDENTIAL VOTE SHARE (Dividends based on Nov. 4 Vote Share)
                  Bid     Ask    Last
     BUSH	0.442   0.470   0.449
     CLINTON	0.446   0.468   0.451
     PEROT	0.056   0.095   0.085

PRESIDENTIAL PLURALTIY (Dividend of winner pays $1/share, others $0)
                  Bid     Ask    Last
     BUSH	0.423   0.440   0.439
     CLINTON  	0.500   0.508   0.508
     PEROT	0.044   0.052   0.052

To see the latest prices:

     telnet ipsm.biz.uiowa.edu or 128.255.44.2

For more information contact:

     email: ipsm@scout-po.biz.uiowa
     phone: (319) 335-0881

The IPSM is a non-profit research project of the University of Iowa,
College of Business Adminstration.

-- 
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:54:57 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      i thought the subject was rights, right?

kerry:
you keep talking about human reason and morality and all that;  i want to
know what you think about existentialism.  you know, one of those
dumb jean-paul sartre perfume commercials?

                                  * * * anneliese "eau de mauvaise foi" l.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:58:59 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Logic Coup!
              20 Aug 1992 21:41:41 GMT from <jwales@COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Jimbo:

You may the self-appointed czar, but you have no authority over me.
Your little rules are cute and no doubt clever (I don't talk like that,
being as I am an ignorant Evangelical fundamentalist charismatic whose
only foreign languages are Spanish, French, statistics--hey, at my University
it counts--and tongues.)  But do you really think it's necessary to
parade your petty prejudices by directing all your vitriol at the Christian
minority on this list?  (Well, perhaps not all; I know you have a lifetime
supply stored up just in case.)

God makes my rules, not you.  And I'll say what I please, thank you.

Hi Bob.  Hi Robert.  Hi Carl.  Don't let this nonsense bother you.
Those who can, do.  Those who can't, make up new rules for the rest of
us.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:59:39 -0500
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject:      Senator D'Amato

For those of you keeping score in other states, New York's Board of
Elections ruled yesterday that Laurence Rockefeller did not gather the
necessary number of signatures to challenge U.S. Senator Al D'Amato in
the GOP primary for D'Amato's Senate seat.  Rockefeller, who is more
liberal than D'Amato (and not exactly Mr. Charisma), failed the submit
the 10,000 signatures required for a spot on the ballot.  Rockefeller
is challenging that decision (and has a hearing scheduled today in
Federal Court in NYC), claiming that he should be allowed on the
ballot with 7,500 signatures.

Thus, it appears that there will not be a GOP primary for D'Amato's
seat and that the four Democrats--Ferraro, Abrahams, Holtzman, and
Sharpton--will do battle in the Democratic primary for the right to
challenge Al in November.

...Rick
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:42:27 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Tonight on all 3 networks...The "Spin Doctors"

>I urge you all again, watch CSPAN and ignore the spin doctors on the
>Big 3 networks.  The party is not what it is being painted as.
>
>---Missy P 2 B

The "spin doctors" are not at the networks, Missy P 2 B.  They are in those
bleak, metal, temporary sheds behind the podium at the Republican Convention.

                                                 ---roger
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:55:32 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: George Bush on Abortion <yawn>

>>>So?  I didn't propose that we could determine whether Bush was
>>>pro anything.
>
>>Not so fast.  We're discussing whether or George's statements "mean"
>>that he's pro-choice wrt his family.
>
>Not me:  I was discussing:
>
>!What bothers me about Bush's and Quayle's responses to the abortion
>!question is what those responses mean about their motivations to be
>!pro-life.

Huh?  They're not relevant to that point at all.  They'd support their
wayward offspring because that's what parents do.  It has nothing to
do with why they think certain things are "wayward".

>The only thing I think that can be safely concluded from Pres. Snick and
>Vice President Snee's comments is that:
>
>         *They do not equate abortion with murder*

No, that can't be safely concluded.  They'd support murderous
offspring as well, just as Dahmer's mother "supports" him, Smith's
family (including the Kennedy's) supports him, and Amy Carter's family
supports her.  That's what parents do.

>The text deleted here was my speculation that Bush and Quayle could
>accept choice on the matter of abortion for their offspring and by
>extension for women who had the right values.  The evidence that
>-andy keeps begging for is in what each said in reponse to the
>question.

What each said is that they'd support a wayward offspring.  Neither
has said that that action would be acceptable, although Bush did point
out that there's nothing that he can do legally to interfere.  Bush
pointed out that he'd support offspring that strayed in other ways.
That's what relatives do.  While it can be hypocritical, it isn't
necessarily so, and there's no evidence that Bush/Quayle would provide
illegal abortions.  (That's what you need to make the hypocrisy
argument.)

-andy
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:51:09 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      lord, i was born a ramblin' man

oops.  i forgot to make the point that i wanted to make in the first
place in that last post.  sorry, suffer just a bit longer, won't you?

i think the g.o.p. (grand old party, goofy odd platform, grindout old
people, get outtahere phil) is in greater disarray than anyone originally
thought.  this business about george throwing out the cabinet ("out with
the bad policy makers, in with the good!") obviously came as a
complete surpise to most of the cabinet members in attendance.  like, say,
jack kemp.  james baker will make the best of it, but you gotta know that
he does NOT want to remain as chief of staff.  i don't think that bush can
afford politically to put him back as secretary of state if he is elected, thoug
   h.  he has got to at least look as if he is trying to work out domestic
policy, and baker is nothing if not oozing the aura of competence.  so that's
that.  in the mean time, henry kissinger is salivating up in cambridge...
"vot?  yess.  i vill kome bahk, iff you vant me toh.  but you muss asks
nicey-nice, no?"  who on earth would george get to be secretary of state?
but that is another question for another day.  i myself am wondering if this
is some new ploy to strengthen the position of dan quayle ("i have an idea,
mr. president!  we'll surround you with complete incompetents, and then
dan will look good again!")
hey, it's a thought.      'bye.    * * * anneliese
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:42:00 -0400
From:         "Men-- can't live with 'em,
              can't shoot 'em" <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How come?

Regarding Polls:

I think if more people were moving back into the Bush camp that the media
would be giving out polls more often.  However, since nothing is really
CHANGING in the polls, they're kinda irrelevant.

Of course I think they're irrelevant anyway, but it's fun to watch Bush
an Co. sweat over them.

--Julie
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From: jwales@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: good republican/bad republican; or, darth vader vs. obi-wan kenobi
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:50:36 GMT

In article <01GNQ0DB6XF6A5UCUB@vx.cis.umn.edu> ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET writes:

>desperately seeking the candidate who's way into the velvet underground,
>                     i thus remain

Could it be?  Should it be?

Hey, I'm all for that trip to Texas.  I need to visit someone in
Houston.  

--Jimbo


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From: jbm@panix.com (John Mignault)
Subject: Re: Reading List
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:09:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <Bt71zC.2MF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jwales@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales) writes:
>
>>>I was just wondering where everyone obtains their
>>>information?  What magazines are read?  What
>>>newspapers?  What news programs are watched or
>>>heard?
>>
>
>Sadly enough, I get most my news from right here on the POLITICS list.

Took me awhile to weigh in on this one, but I personally get ALL of my
information from the label on the Dr. Bronner's soap bottle and a little 
white light that appears to me at night that I like to call "Buster."
I think it's really Elvis, but I can't be sure.

>
>--Jimbo

--john
Vote Traditional Brady Bunch Values(tm) in November
From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: Clinton's humanity
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:02:47 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

From CNN: while Bush and his cronies stand around waving the flag, criticize
Clinton, and try to blame all the world's problems on somebody else, Clinton
and Gore are toiling in the hot and humid August sun, helping to build a house
for some needy individual through Habitat For Humanity.

(Maybe Bush will copy them by hiring someone from his staff to volunteer.)

I admit I probably should have dropped my observation about the White Knights
of the Grand OLD Party--I shouldn't be quite so quick to generalize about
people based on their unsophisticated "Dickie Flat" physical appearances (BTW, 
is he White?).  And I did not refer to "lesser programmers" but rather computer
illiterates.  And some spelling errors can be attributed to this being a VAX
and sometimes I use a phone terminal, but then again, maybe I don't have
_perfect_ spelling--at least I'm not the Vice_President.  We Yankees (I'm from 
MA) for some reason just don't percieve cowboys as pinnacles of hard work, 
perhaps because we view them as merely uneducated redneck goons who live in 
some twisted adolescent fantasy world where they dress up in ridiculous cowboy
duds and drive around in a pick-up to prove how masculine they are to everyone.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:05:21 -0500
From:         GAYLA BASSHAM <BASGD@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RNC II: The Second Night

>Kemp's reasonableness, just like Tsongas's, is a liability when it
>comes winning the nomination of their respective parties...only
>extremists (or incumbants) can now win the nomination of both the
>Democratic and Republican parties.  There is a huge canyon in the
>the middle of America that is really in need of a centrist third
>party...Clinton is an extremist, and Bush has sold out to the
>extremists...a slightly libertarian slightly right-of-center economic
>new party would be a godsend for America and for the world.

Oh, come on!  How is Clinton an extremist?  He is pro-capital punishment, in
favor of welfare reform (which does not sit too well with liberals like
Cuomo and Harkin), and supported the Gulf War.  His health care reform
proposal is also fairly moderate.  Most of the traditional liberals in the
party would much rather see someone else as the nominee.

>Gerald

-----Gayla
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From: jwales@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: Listen to what s/he said not what s/he meant
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:23:53 GMT

I want to open with a public 'thank-you' to Missy/Kerry for
answering my question about her position on abortion.  This
is good, solid political discussion.

Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:
>Jimbo
>
>Since you asked, my position on "the right to abortion" is that there
>is no such animal--morally, Constitutionally, or otherwise.

Since I find that abortion discussions, in particular, hardly ever
go anywhere substantive, I would like to take you up on your
generous offer:

>Next question.

Q:  Currently, it is illegal for individuals in almost all states to
possess any quantity of marijuana, cocaine, etc.  At the same time,
alcohol is perfectly legal.  Tobacco is actually subsidized by the
state!  Modern day economists are almost (not quite, but almost)
unanimous in arguing that the war on drugs is hopeless and has extremely
bad consequences in terms of gang violence, etc.

Kerry, do you think that people ought to have the legal right to
peacefully injest whatever chemicals they want into their body?
An alternative way to approach the question is: do you think that
the state (via police and courts, etc.) ought to have the legal
right to use force upon people who are behaving peacefully?

Why or why not?

--Jimbo


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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:41:33 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Night 3 at the ol' RNC

>I got so bored trying the watch the RNC last night that I went out and
>rented Woody Allen's "Manhattan".

  On Family Values night?  SHAME ON YOU!

                             -Tim
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:47:42 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AIDS statistics
              12 Aug 1992 17:14:32 EDT from <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

KAT:

Blacks in Africa are called "Africans" or "Blacks."  And they do *not*
consider "African-Americans" to be "Africans."  They consider them
to be "Americans."

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:54:26 EDT
From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GOP & equality
              20 Aug 1992 12:03:08 -0400 from <SPRG0002@TULSAJC>

> Your reaction to the possibility of Quayle as presidential material is
> typical of one based upon the character assassination techniques of the
> media.  You should work to become more analytical and discerning of the
> *information* you are fed by these bastions of liberalism.
>
I'll grant that the press is hard on Quayle, although not that much
harder than they were on Bush when he was VP.  The point here is that
Danny wouldn't get so much flack if he didn't make himself such an
*easy* target by being gaffe-boy.

> I would be much happier with the Republican ticket if the roles were
> reversed.  Whether you like him or not, Quayle has backbone.

Shame it's got such a weak connection to the brain stem.
    toddddddddd
>
> ---Robert

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-----      /      >   --- Ag. Econ. DPL --- "Dan Quayle is more stupid
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-  /________________>   - Blacksburg VA -    together." - M. GROENIG
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: How come?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:30:00 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92082000293808@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET (Kerry Stephenson) writes...

[...]

>And how come during the Democrat convention the media said nice
>things about Clinton and nasty things about Bush, but now that
>the Republicans are burning down the barn in Houston, the media
>is saying.......um, nice things about Clinton and nasty things
>about Bush.

[...]

	I was surprised that one of the stories put out on the AP wire 
was about 20 column inches explaining how Pat Buchanan mistook what 
Hillary Clinton wrote and said. It came out the very next day. Had all 
kinds of direct Hillary quotes too.

	Yet, when I was trying to find out Quayle's exact words during 
his 'Murphy Brown' speech, I couldn't find it. In any paper. I had to 
wait two weeks until a conservative newsletter printed a healthy 
excerpt.


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From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Political browsing
              13 Aug 1992 11:32:00 -0400 from
              <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE>

> I actually have to agree with the criticism regarding crossposting.  It's
> generally unfair to take someone's comments out of context without theirt
> permission, .............................................................

OK, next time I would like to take someone's comment *out of context*,
I would ask their permission first.

--KAT :-)
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From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: CLINTON BIRTHDAY THANKS TO YOU
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In article <9208211327.AA10818@cuthbert.bashstreet> you write:
>SEND COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INFORMATION TO THE
>CLINTON/GORE CAMPAIGN AT 75300.3115@COMPUSERVE.COM
>(This information is posted for public education/information purposes.
>It does not necessarily represent the views of The University.)
>========================================================================
>Subject: Note from Gov. Clinton
>
>
>Thanks for all the birthday greetings!  It's great to hear from computer
>users throughout the world.
>
>I look forward to taking my Putting People First message throughout the
>country as we head through the final phase of the campaign.
>
>Thanks again for the greetings and and all your help.
>
>I look forward to hearing from you!
>
>Bill Clinton

How do I know this is from Bill Clinton ? How do you know that the
message you are reading is from me ?

What is the netiquette about using a list in this fashion ?

D
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