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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Question: Eggs and chesse
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:05:52 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <92318.131343CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:

>Eggs are pareve. You can have as many cheese omelettes as your doctor
>will allow.
>
>This is the first time I've ever heard of someone thinking eggs are
>fleishig, though I know a lot of people who think eggs are dairy.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This is not to imply that your mother's beliefs are illegimate. But they
>are not correct.
>
This is the first time I heared that persons thinks eggs are dairy.
eggs are parve.

BUT eggs you find whithin the chicken shoud be trieated as fleishig

Shalom  gideon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Netanyahu poised to lead Likud
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:54:59 GMT

In article <92322.1650452893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>An article in today's Toronto Star means a victory in a vote by Likud leaders
>yesterday means Benjamin Netanyahu is almost certain to become the new leader
>of Likud at the election March 25th. As well, a gallup poll shows that 73% of
>Israelis believe Netanyahu will win the party primary.
   Hah. I'll bet you Israelis didn't realise the _real_ power in Likud.
   Wait'll you find out what the Globe and Mail can do!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Kosher Honey - Still no answer
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:23:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.182313.16933@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@maverick.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>Rashi translates the "dvash" which Yonasan tasted in Shmuel I chapter 14
>as cane
>syrup and Tosfos in Meseches Brochos 36b speaks of sugar cane as
>a source of dvash. The usage of dvash as bee honey can be found
>in Devorim chapter 32 pasuk 13 (Haazinu) where Moshe Rabbeinu
>speaks of obtainin dvash from a rock as well as Shimshon and his
>riddle with the lion.

Another poster claimed all references to dvash in the Torah were
to fruit --  nectar or syrup or juice.

Do you have a reference for Dvarim 32:13 being bee honey and not,
e.g., from figs?

The Rashi for this pasuk:
  "it once happened that a man said to his son in Sichnin
   Bring me dried figs from the cask.  He went and found the
   honey flowing over its brim.  He said to him, But this is
   a vat of honey [ not figs ] Then he said to him, Put your
   hands deep into it and you will bring up figs from it
   (Siphre)"

My Rashi edition (A. M. Silbermann) has a note to this pasuk
making it clear that even with figs hard as a rock, fruit
honey would flow.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: friedenb@boswell.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Subject: Question about Halacha texts
Reply-To: friedenb@boswell.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:50:46 GMT


Can someone help me to understand the relationship between the following
works:

(Mishna & Gemorrah), Shulchan Arukh, Orach Chaim, Mishna B'rurah.

I *do* understand the relationship between Mishna & Gemorrah.


I will start learning Mishna B'rurah (Shabbos) soon.  Feldheim 
or Artscroll has it with an english translation which is supposed
to be pretty good (3 vol. set).  If anyone has learned from these
before, please send me mail and let me know what you thought of them
(easy to follow typeset, good translations, etc.)

Thanks!!!

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Why I think Kach's policies are racist (AND DANGEROUS)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:49:54 GMT

In <1992Nov15.174459.1044@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

  is that any other time they've come across someone else who
  claims to have a simple, one stroke solution to a complex problem
  that person has invariably been a racist.

Actually sometimes they're just cranks.  See sci.skeptic for examples.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shahzaadee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:18:28 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

>In article <9866@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison) writes:
>
>One disheartening thing:  In general, African-Americans are far more likely
>to be antisemitic than whites.

Where, exactly, do you obtain your information?  Are you making a
general hypothesis, or is this a proven fact which you can support?

Perhaps you can write to the Reverend Jesse Jackson at the Rainbow
Coalition to ask his opinion.  The last time I heard him speak at
our campus here in Denver (a month before the elections), he mentioned,
on several ocassions, that everyone is equal and racism needs to be
eliminated - be it anti-black, anti-white, anti-semitism, and/or
anti-Arab.

Please follow this example and not stereotype against certain ethnic
groups.  It is offensive - especially as African Americans have been
discriminated against and suffered for many centuries.

Anisa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring)
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany, Computer Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:30:32 GMT

In article <2867@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
> In <H6X82KE@math.fu-berlin.de> ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring) writes:
> 
> >Excuse me, but *anything* else, including Jewish men "practising"
> >on shickse women and including sex between two Jewish partners not
> >married to each other, violates Jewish morality.
> 
> It is my opinion that using this Yiddish term to describe non-Jews
> (instead of just saying non-Jews) isn't the best idea either from the
> same ethical viewpoint.

Hi Warren:

I share your opinion meah achuz, and this is exactly the reason why I
used that term.  Unfortunately, many Jewish males do look upon non-
Jewish women as objects to "practise" on.  And I think this is a
grave violation of those women's dignity as human beings, anyhow in
societies that guarantee equal respect to anybody.  I was sure that
my intention (irony) was to be clearly understood in the given context.

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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Welcome to s.c.j.
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:16:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.150744.6439@dorsai.com> jimkalb@dorsai.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
>warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
>
>: I'm going to change the line in my ~news/newsgroups line for scj to
>: 
>: soc.culture.jewish	a shanda far die goyim
>
>This looks like it means something like "behaving disgracefully in front of
>non-Jews".  Is that right?  Is this a notion with much history or present
>power among Jews?  (I should mention if it's not obvious that I am one of the
>goyim -- if anyone feels I'm asking about family stuff I'll drop it.)

You've got it down just right.  It's a _very_ old notion (_very_old 
means at least back to my grandparents' time), and remains one
criterion (although sometimes controversial) for what some Jews
think other Jews should (or should not) do.

Family stuff?  On scj?  SCJ?  Not to worry.  We spend so much
time insulting one another in this group that we hardly have time
to worry about an occasional friendly goy dropping in to join.
(Please note that the term "goy" is not derogatory.  We fought
about that a little while ago; maybe we'll fight about it again.)




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Square Kippot (was: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:07:06 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov16.194139.1078@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.021109.15846@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.201508.28866@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
>>friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>
>>|> If one were to wear a square kippah, would it require tzitzit?
>>|> (is a kippah considered a garment?)
>
>>No.  There is a certain minimum size for a 4-cornered garment to require
>>tzitzit, and a kippah is too small by far.
>
>Serious note: If someone wore a large enough shawl, would that not require
>tzitzit?
>
>Not so serious note:  If I decide to wear a big enough kippah (not while
>driving or doing other things which might require unrestricted viewing),
>it seems I'd need tzitzit?
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com

Since this matter keeps coming up, I would like to mention that in the
medieval discussions of tzitzit, one text addresses the issue of
attaching them to head coverings. An opinion is stated that they
(tzitzit) are *not* necessary because head coverings are not
obligatory.(!) Or words to that effect. Before anyone gets excited
about this, let me hasten to add that this is just one source, that I
am *not* claiming that it is authoritative, nor am I claiming that it
has any great significance in halakhic discussion. I just thought
it was kind of fun.

One other disclaimer: I've been asked by private e-mail to upload some
sources on the head covering issue, and I will be happy to do so as
soon as I can free up some time. (Since this is hardly a work-related
issue, I have to do it from home on a cranky slow computer via a noisy
telephone line.) But I happened to notice that someone has already
(presumably) scanned in a CCAR responsa article, and I believe that we
would all be better off if you could see the original article instead
of my musings on it. Therefore, if that person would be willing to scan
in Lauterbach's article on kippa from the CCAR of 1928 (believe it or
not still standing as the most comprehensive discussion in English of
the subject-- or at least through 1973 which is as far as my literature
search went), I'd be quite grateful. If this doesn't happen soon, I'll
summarize the article and add my comments.

By the way, the fact that I read the CCAR responsa does not mean
that I identify with Reform. I do not, but I'm delighted to find good
scholarship wherever I can.

Jack F. Love
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Sunday, 22 November 1992 14:15:48 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.14
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Not Techelet Again (Re: Prayer shawls)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1992Nov16.193732.824@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)  wrote:
# I would have thought that the source for the blue dye, not just its
# appearance on a monitor was the knotty issue.

  Would that the source appeared on ANY monitor!  Then we could use
  screen capture.  As it is, not only the source but the object
  has been lost.

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:42:44 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kach and terrorism
 <1992Nov19.124457.26648@ennews.eas.asu.edu>

In article <1992Nov19.124457.26648@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:
>
>In article <92323.1854102893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
># From the Globe and Mail, 18 November 1992
>
># (Reuter) Police in Jerusalem detained a member of an extreme right-wing     h
>Jewis
># group yesterday in connection with a grenade attack that killed one Arab and
># wounded 12. A police spokesman said a member of the Kach movement was
># questioned about Monday's attack in the Old City.
>
>        Next time someone who is amember of an organiztion you belong to
>gets cught for doing something wrong, even a murder, be sure to print
>what the Globe and Mail says about it.  I do not care if his act has
>nothing to do ith your organiztion, since that did not stop you here.
>
># Energy Minister Amnon Rubinstein asked the attorney-general to put the      s
>leader
># of Kach and the related Kahane Lives movement on trial for inciting
>terrorism
># after the two groups praised the attack.
>
>        Given what the police said today, are you going to print the Globe
>and Mail retraction?
Did Kach and Kahane Chai not praise the attack? Is this not incitement of
terrorism? If the PLO praises an attack on Jews is this not incitement of
terrorism. No retraction appeared in today's Globe and Mail to print.
>--
>        There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
>at math and those that are not.
>
>makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:38:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.220941.10746@guinness.idbsu.edu>, holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
|> Orthodoxy cannot define itself as one of many legitimate
|> interpretations of what God requires of us; this denies its
|> fundamental principles.

This is not really correct.  In fact, within halacha, there are many areas in
which several "legitimate interpretations" exist.  There are differing views
on whether to wear tfillin on Chol Ha'moed, whether to eat rice and legumes
on Pesach, when to begin wearing a tallis, whether one may eat kosher, but
non-glatt kosher, meat, whether to use the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres (outside
Israel). and many more.  In each case, there are Orthodox views on both sides 
of the issue, and neither side views the other as "illegitimate".

Where O parts company with C and R is in how to define a "legitimate 
interpretation".  O Jews believe that the halacha provides a framework for
what options are and are not acceptable.  And it believes that C and R step 
outside that framework.  C and R can choose to believe otherwise, of course, 
but it is really rather unfair to condemn O for not agreeing.
-- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made
Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
(908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Honey, still no Answer
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:37:05 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

On: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:10:13 GMT
er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) states and "asks":

>The simple proof for the kashrus of honey is the well-known song that every
>child in a good Jewish nursery school should know:
>
>"Dip the apple in the honey, make a bracha loud and clear..."
>
>From which it can be proven that honey is kosher, since if it were not, why
>bother making a bracha?
>:-)

That is simple, one still has to make one at least for the apple.  ;-)

>Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made

 Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: goy
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:11:19 GMT

In article <92327.2342272893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.040258.28472@cs.albany.edu>, mark@cs.albany.edu (Mark
>Steinberger) says:
>>
>>Viewed another way, should we stop calling ourselves Jews because the
>>word has had negative connotations for a number of non-Jews?
>
>WHAT!!!! Jew is not a derogatory word, goy is. Would you not object to words
>like kyke, hymie, heeb etc?  Don't justify racist words by pointing at the
>racism of others.

Well, Andy @ QueensU.CA, perhaps you have led a very sheltered life,
if you believe that for a number of non-Jews the word "Jew" doesn't
have negative connotations.

Have you experienced people completely freeze, and their mouths shut
and eyes harden when someone says I'm Jewish?

Have you met anyone who thinks "Jew" is the prefix to bastard?  Or
suffix to %$#@!?

Or anyone who can literally spit the word "Jew" through clecnhed
teeth, so viciously you'd think flames would start?

I have and I continue to, all the time.  And yet I would never
suggest anyone stop using the word "Jew" in spite of the
exceptionally negative connotations some people give it.

So should we assume that "goy" becomes a bad word just because
some people may use it that way  If so, why the double standard?

It is the intent and the historical usage, in context,
that determines what a word means, the venerable Mr. Dumpty not
withstanding.

-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:19:14 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

> In article <1992Nov18.215314.14993@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.
> >In article <1992Nov18.202837.1567@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.
> >|> ROBERT WERMAN writes:
> >|> >One in five adult Americans hold strong prejudicial attitudes against Je

> 
> Can you find out the percentage of Americans who don't like Arabs?
> 
> Nabil
> 

  Why should he? This is s.c.j.

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From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israel and the diaspora
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:27:14 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

Many wrote - all deleted.

The point is that while Zionism fights GALOT (diaspora), not all 
jews are Zionist. If a jew wishs to help the diaspora get bigger 
instad of Israel - then he isn't Zionist.
Now, the question is: Must a jew be Zionist ? I say - YES.
and if not so, and if you think not so, on what basis can we
Zionist talk with you on this thing ?
As a Zionist I'll tell you that I'll do my best to eliminate all
GALOYUT by bringing them here (former USSR, Ethuopya (?) or the US)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:28:49 GMT

khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writesL

Then I asked her why doesn't she want to
become Reform? -:Oh, she said, I am not crasy, you look at them and they
look like (the next is exacly what she said:) a ch-rch. Yes, maybe they
do to her, but what this girl does not realize is that her children
might not consider it as a "c--h". 


	Just an excerpt, because I'm curious....is 'church' a dirty word?


JJ
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:20548 soc.culture.lebanon:5128 soc.culture.iranian:10141
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:47:45 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.iranian
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:51:21 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Begin's tomb desecrated

There was a photograph in today's Toronto Star of Menachem Begin's descecrated
tomb (someone spraypainted a swastika on it). Has anyone else heard about
this?
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