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From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Benny the Bump)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Re: Please help QUICK! M1 or SQ80? Urgent...
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:23:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <NICK.92Jul24120851@vaila.ed.ac.uk> nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
*
*It's not going to make you sound like him, you realise, even if this is
*what you want.
*

Actually, it will.  That's how these things work.

                    Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com>          

          "Whoso pulleth this linoleum knife from the mailman is 
                        King born of all England!"
From: richard@adpgate.UUCP ( ADP OPuS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Mail Order Mackie 1604.
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:56:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: outland.1455
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

ecc_foley@ecc.tased.edu.au (Rodney Foley) writes:
: 
:     I am looking at buying a Mackie 1604 mixer. As the retail price of 
: them here in Australia is A$3000 ( that was not a typing mistake !), I 
: would like to buy one from the U.S. 

   Hi Rodney,
	 I recently purchased a 1604 (it's wonderful) from a place in Portland
	 Oregon called Audio Systems.  Ask for Paul Nelson.  He handles just 
	 about any pro audio stuff you need and at GREAT prices.  By the way,
	 the Mackie 1604 lists for $1099 US here.  Paul asked me not to quote 
	 what I paid for it but I can tell you that I checked about a half 
	 dozen places and his price was best.  The number is (503) 721-0824. 
	 Tell him you heard about Audio Systems on the Internet!!

	 Good Luck, you'll love the Mackie; I sure do.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:07:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: Wavestation discontinued? (was Re: Wavestation PCM cards)
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Because M1 pcm cards work in the WS, you should be able to stick a
Frontal Lobe PCM channel right into that slot and play your own
samples. Awfully expensive though.

Bill Scott
WSCOTT@acs.wooster.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:57:52 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@ada3.ca.boeing.com

Randy Jones <rej@BOB.SAL.WISC.EDU>

>Well, it was meant to be funny, but there was a point to it which I'll
>reiterate in a more pedestrian way: having those MIDI files you "need"
>would be WORSE THAN USELESS. There's no possible use for such a thing
>which isn't either a plagiarism or an insult to the work of the
>original artist. Listen to the album, make your own damn songs.

Ouch!  That's a little harsh, isn't it?  I liked your original, funny
post because I also thought that there was too much sampling on
Skinny Puppy's albums to make a midifile very useful.  But then I
began to realize that a midifile, or better yet a score would
reveal to somebody without a perfect ear the harmonic progressions
in the songs (which seem to me to be very conservative -- another
one of their strengths).

In short, I don't think someone's efforts to make a midifile of
Skinny Puppy's songs would be entirely wasted.  Just don't make a
midifile of the current album -- it blows.

All MHO, of course.

Bob
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)
Subject: Re: Followup to my SY99/mega synth searches
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:29:06 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.195628.16564@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@carib.cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.175158.21741@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)  
>writes:
>> Now Yamaha is coming out with the new SY85, a scaled down version of
>> the SY99.  It's basically an SY99 without the AFM (FM synthesis) part.
>> That makes the SY85 basically a sample player with back-end FX and a
>> sequencer + RAM storage for downloading your own samples.
>
>Arrgh!!    Does this mark the end of FM synthesis from Yamaha?
>FM synthesis gives me one thing that I can't find on any other platform:
>the ability to easily change the _dynamics_ (or "action") of the  
>instrument in complex and interesting ways.   The joy of playing a  
>keyboard isn't in the whizz-bang sounds that it makes, it's in how it  
>responds to your playing.

Couldn't agree with this sentiment more.  Interacting and affecting the
tonal makeup of a sound in real-time is one of the things that made
synthesis interesting in the early days.  Now everyone is making
sample players .... "note on note off"... how dull and non-creative.
Everyone wants to emulate other instruments with what amounts to a
glorified tape recorder.

Now I have to admit that a lot of what I want to do is based on samples
and emulating other instruments, but I also want to do a lot of weird
creative things with sounds.  Building NEW sounds that no one has ever
heard before.  That's why I object to these fancy new sample players that
you can't download samples into!

The SY99 seems to give you the best of both of these worlds (okay ...
THE K2000 TOO... HAPPY?) although the listening test was less than
satisfactory.

Hey Metlay!  Does this mean I should go out and buy an Obi Expander?
From: richard@adpgate.UUCP ( ADP OPuS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Vision Upgrade continued...
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:15:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: outland.1452
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR


     Two weeks ago I wrote about two problems that I was having 
   with the Vision upgrade; one a sync problem via Control 3 to a 
   multitrack tape recorder, the other an abort problem in Step 
   Record.

     After much, much troubleshooting, I have concluded that the 
   sync problem was not related to Vision, but to something related 
   to my multitrack & it's time code.  Here's the progression: I 
   restriped track 8 on the tape to determine if it was the time code;
   still have a problem. I borrowed a friend's SE/30 (I have a Mac 
   Plus); still a problem. I stripe track 8 at a different place on 
   the tape (maybe it's a bad part of the tape); still a problem. I 
   talk to a friend who also has a multitrack-sequencer sync setup and
   he says just for fun, stripe the tape on track 4 or 5 instead of 
   track 8. So I stripe track 5 and just for kicks I figure I'll 
   also put it down on track 8 at the same time.  I sync up to track 
   5 and it works perfectly. So to tidy up the last bit of business, 
   I figure, I'll sync up to 8, see the problem come back and know 
   that it has to do with track 8 code.  (Twilight Zone music please) 
   Well, I sync to track 8 and IT works perfectly now!!!!! About the 
   only thing that makes sense is that the original stripe, and 
   (coincidentally) the 1st restripe both were bogus?  Or maybe one 
   of the various head cleanings that I did during this process 
   cured the culprit. I'm stumped and Vision tech support is too.

     I talked to Vision tech support last night and the step record
   problem WAS a software bug, but they have already fixed it.

     As I mentioned, I'm wanting to add some virtual tracks to some 
   music that was not recorded metronomically perfect!  Vision now 
   has a Reclock feature that I will be trying that allows you to 
   build a click track along with the song, then reclock the sequence 
   to conform to all the human quirkinesses.  If I can get this to work 
   really well, it will be fun to develop some of those "singer and 
   one guitar" tunes I've got on tape!  
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: wendelct@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (WENDELCT)
Subject: Re: Please help QUICK! M1 or SQ80? Urgent...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:30:00 GMT

In article <pet.711784388@munagin>, pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes...
>Please email me ASAP with advice:
>Should I get a new M1 for $2000 AUs = 1600 US or
>2nd hand SQ80 for $900 or so = $720 US???
>I am going to buy real soon, so if anyone could let
>me know within the next 2 hours, I would REALLY
>appreciate it. Thanx in advance, everyone!
>Paul


Paul, hope it's not ttoo late.  I had a lengthy conversation just last
night with an owner of a Korg M-1 just last night!.  He is a top song
writer here in Nashville and swears by the M-1.  He uses it with an
Alessi Data Disk to dump 8 tracks directly to 3.5 computer disk, then
goes to the studio, dumps the 8 tracks onto one then adds vocals, guitar,
etc.  He said it could be bought here for under $2,000 and the Alessi
for $300.00.  He's a veteran song producer, so I'm sure he knows his
stuff.  In fact, he sold me, it's something I've got to have now.
> 
>--
>Anyone who's into DEPECHE MODE talk to me! pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
>MAIL ORDER: if you're looking for Japanese release CDs, Box Sets, and
>Limited Editions, Rare Releases, email me. I have a friend who can maybe
>help U out....

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Wavestation discontinued? (was Re: Wavestation PCM cards)
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Jul 92 09:52:55

In article <1992Jul17.195040.21182@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>I checked with my local music store and they said there are 'more than 6
>cards available' but they are hard to get now that the wavestation
>has been discontinued. Try getting from Korg direct.

  It has? In other words, the only product Korg has for the moment is
the 01/W family?

  It could mean that a) Korg is working on a follow-up to the WS or,
more likely, b) the WS didn't sell well enough and they gave up on the
concept. Ah well, nobody's going to discontinue _my_ WS.

  I'm not very familiar with it, but isn't the Frontal Lobe an
expansion box for the M1 with which you can use your own samples in
the machine? I wonder if it would be that hard for them to port it to
the Wavestation...
--
	play the piano drunk                  sir ola rinta-koski
		like a percussion instrument  ola@vipunen.hut.fi
until the fingers begin to bleed a bit        ok 20 b 22  02150 espoo  finland
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Please help QUICK! M1 or SQ80? Urgent...
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:53:08 GMT

Please email me ASAP with advice:
Should I get a new M1 for $2000 AUs = 1600 US or
2nd hand SQ80 for $900 or so = $720 US???
I am going to buy real soon, so if anyone could let
me know within the next 2 hours, I would REALLY
appreciate it. Thanx in advance, everyone!
Paul

--
Anyone who's into DEPECHE MODE talk to me! pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
MAIL ORDER: if you're looking for Japanese release CDs, Box Sets, and
Limited Editions, Rare Releases, email me. I have a friend who can maybe
help U out....
From: cfejm@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (John Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: GLIB -> TX81Z
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:29:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Jul28.162910.25084
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <GEORG.92Jul28150021@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> georg@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) writes:
>In article <9207281217.AA00655@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> writes:
>
>   >Here is a TURBO PASCAL program...
>
>   Nope, sorry Hannu, that's completely unacceptable.  Real musicians
>   don't write Pascal.
>
>Yeah, FORTRAN 77, that's the ticket, any volunteers for the
>translation. I'm on constant search for MPU stuff in FORTRAN.
>	
>	Georg.


Actually, I understand that the new guidelines of the International
Society for Electronic Music Computation suggest COBOL as the coming
language of choice for serious programming.

John

-- 
John Miller
Music Theory
Eastern Illinois University
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: The K2000 vs. SY99 debate - SY99 Owner
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:27:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Jul30.134813.155381@cs.cmu.edu> sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu writes:


*    From: <ATINTON@ESOC.BITNET>
*
*    When I bought my SY99, I purchased it for its MODULAR approach, which is
*    something you guys have not latched onto.  I also admire the 01 series for
*    this approach too !!
*    
*It's not clear to me what you mean by "MODULAR approach".  Just that the
*machine has a decent built-in sequencer and effects?
*

If it really had a MODULAR approach it would weigh 500 lbs and have 
patch cords hanging out all over...

                    Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com>          

          "Whoso pulleth this linoleum knife from the mailman is 
                        King born of all England!"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:45:27 EST
From:         Jon Crystal <OFABJC@UVMADMIN.BITNET>

Rick Massey: email bounces....any other way to contact you?
From: jamesmc@ut-emx.uucp (James McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Ensoniq Mirage sysex question
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:04:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <nhpia20@fido.asd.sgi.com> amit@suz.esd.sgi.com (Amit Shoham) writes:

>I'm trying to send some computer generated samples to my ensoniq
>mirage module.  The mirage is running MASOS 2.0.  I found the following


    For one thing, the Mirage can't accept MIDI sample data at the 
MIDI baud rate, you have to kill time between sending samples or 
you will overrun the Mirage's input buffer and have samples missing.
It's been a very long time since I've used the Mirage, so I can't
remember the details. I was able to successfully send samples to the
Mirage, but I could never generate a checksum that it was happy with.
  --- james mccartney

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: davecole@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Cole)
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Keywords: Price
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.020028.10717@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> mccreary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MCCREARY SEAN) writes:
>I received a flyer in the mail today announcing that PC-Zone is having a
>sale.  Well, it seems that they are offering the Multisound card for $728,
>and on top of that they are offering a 5% discount, so the net cost is
>$691.60!  This is $100 less than I have seen this card going for anywhere
>else, so if you want one, this may be the time to buy.  The number to order
>is 1-800-258-2088, and give them the number 22562 to get the extra 5%
>discount.
>
>Sean McCreary   University of Colorado at Boulder   mccreary@ucsu.colorado.edu

That's a good price.  I was just quoted $749 from another vendor.  And the
Proteus 1 is on promo, but still is around $750 (and the Multisound has the
XR on it).  Nevertheless, since EMU sells the 1XR on a duaghtercard for $200,
and the chip-set for $75, there appears room for some more downward price
adjustments from Turtle Beach.  And I am sure there will be, given all the
announced new cards to come out this Fall.
BTW you can get a CD that demos the card (with a heavy handed comparison with
the Soundblaster and PAS (not PAS-16)) for $3 including shipping from Turtle
Beach.  But one thing they don't tell you is if the card comes with any
software, or if so, what it is.
What software does the Turtle Beach card include??

davecole@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Sample CD's??
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:42:28 GMT

>Anyone got any sample CD recommendations? I've got the Zero-G datafiles
>1 and 2, and a DAT of the industrial one, but I think I've used them to
>exhaustion.

You may be interested in joining the International Sampler's Co-op.
Its free and the first newsletter is being printed this week.
Let me know if you or anyone else wants a copy.

Myles
From: takem_b@pyramid.unr.edu (Brian Takemoto)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Kurzweil K2000 Sample Board
Keywords: K2000, Sampling, Options
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:46:30 GMT
Reply-To: takem_b@pyramid.unr.edu (Brian Takemoto)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <7790.2A62E507@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Jason.Alexander@p16.f215.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jason Alexander) writes:
>Has anyone seen the new Sample board for the K2000 yet?  Does anyone know
>how they expect to fit it into the present NON sampling K2000?  I'm going
>to be ordering a K2000 WITHOUT the sampling option because of a) price and
>b) I will use a $350 Peavey SX and totally awesome Steinberg Avalon on the
>Atari ST instead of spending $1000 for the sampling option.

I've seen the Sampling Option.  On the back of your K2000, you'll have
a small panel that can be removed to insert it.  Version 2.0 of the
software is needed to run it, and with 2.0, you're supposed to be able
to read Ensoniq disk samples as well!  I've seen the sampler in action
with beta 1.6somethingish software running it and it was impressive!
We listened to sampled parts of data straight from a CD (with NO
editing in between) and couldn't tell the difference!

>I expect that you'll be able to sample via the auxilary outputs that
>double as inputs.  this will prevent them from having to drill into the

The sampling board had four plugs on the back of it (one being optical if
you're lucky enough to be working with one of those) and I'm assuming
them all to be inputs.  As for the other aux inputs/outputs already on
the back of my machine, I'm not sure if/how they're used...

>case of the K2000.  At least they were smart enough to pre-wire all
>necessary items for a true sampler such as the SCSI port and the software
>chip space.  It's all sitting there, just waiting for the chip. The new

Someone out there is also making a 600mb internal that'll fit into this
thing.  The external SCSI port is nice too!

>card supposedly has souped up sample editing software not much different
>from that found in the Akai S-1100.

Dunno...  Didn't have enough time to go in depth with it and I don't know
anything about the Akai S-1100.
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From: gord@jericho.uunet.uu.net (Gord Wait)
Subject: Re: Why are there synths?
Organization: S-MOS Systems, Inc. (Vancouver Design Center)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:52:19 GMT

In article <ajross.711333828@husc9> ajross@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
>Modeling a synthesizer is an entirely different beast.  Take a DX7:  first
>you have to be able to compute high-precicion (probably doubles-10 bytes
>each) values for each of the eight sine-wave oscillators and feed them to

Don't get carried away! The original DX7 was 14 bit integer, the Dx2
was 16 bit integer. No floating point of any precision is found
anywhere! The FM is done by messing with the address to a 
lookup table of a sine wave, not by actually calculating each sum and
difference harmonic, etc!! If my DX7 did what you suggest, it would
have really killer sound!  The 14 bit DX7 is noisy!


As to getting rid of all synths in favour of a PC add in card, here's
my two bits:

	Anyone who thinks this will wash has obviously never played
live, or even gone to a jam session at someone's house!!

	A dedicated synth is one box, that includes the keyboard and
sound hardware. You plug it in, turn it on, and start playing. 

	A pc based system: plug in the PC, the computer keyboard, the
mouse, the monitor, the piano keyboard controller, Boot DOS (MAC, IBM
whatever) find the synth application on the hard disk (if it didn't
have a head crash by moving it), run the application, THEN start
playing!, Oh darn, I forgot the disk with the synth app at
home, and I deleted it off the hard drive to make room for some
computer game! Then the guitar player says: Hey turn off that stupid
monitor, you're driving 70 HZ buzz into my pickups! (worse than a
florescent light in a recording studio)


	Sure, if you are talking about a sound generator to add to a
midi studio, a synth card in a PC box, is not a bad idea, but lets not
forget that a standalone synthesizer is a musical instrument FIRST,
and a tone generator second. 

I also doubt that the LAPC1 has studio quality signal to noise because
it is inside a PC. I know it could probably be made quiet, but at a
higher cost.



-- 
Gord Wait 	SMOS Systems Vancouver Design Centre
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From: oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:49:34 GMT
Organization: Washington University Astrophysics
NNTP-Posting-Host: fermi.wustl.edu

If Kansas and Genesis don't belong here, who the hell does?

-Scott Oser
oser@fermi.wustl.edu
From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:00:24 GMT
Subject: Re: GLIB -> TX81Z
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

cfejm@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (John Miller)  writes:
>In article <GEORG.92Jul28150021@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> georg@dali.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) writes:
>>In article <9207281217.AA00655@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> writes:
>>
>>   >Here is a TURBO PASCAL program...
>>
>>   Nope, sorry Hannu, that's completely unacceptable.  Real musicians
>>   don't write Pascal.
>>
>>Yeah, FORTRAN 77, that's the ticket, any volunteers for the
>>translation. I'm on constant search for MPU stuff in FORTRAN.
>>	
>>	Georg.
>
>
>Actually, I understand that the new guidelines of the International
>Society for Electronic Music Computation suggest COBOL as the coming
>language of choice for serious programming.
>
>John

Well, regardless of guidelines, I like to do ALL of my music programming in
ADA.
    - Jim