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From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Risultati Serie A 10/1/93
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:01:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0fIKz5m00WB98Oups8
Organization: Sponsored account, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm a bit in a hurry, but a pair of corrections is needed:

Atalanta-Roma   3-1
Pescara-Ancona   4-3

                Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"The sky is light-blue, since God is a Napoli fan"
V I N C I   P E R   N O I   M A G I C O   N A P O L I  !!!
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: ... a nice little (true!) story
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:02:53 GMT

In article 2364@crc.ac.uk, pgardner@crc.ac.uk (Phil Gardner) writes:

>Any guesses, before I post the answer?! (Hint: examine the wording of the manager's statement...)

It wouldn't be Brian Clough of Nottingham Forest would it, Young Man !!!


---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Shearer and injury
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:42:54 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1993Jan8.132738@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens) writes:
>After a number of weeks without their multi million pound striker Alan
>Shearer, Blackburn fielded him in the Tues night Coca-Cola Cup tie 
>against Cambridge.  Shearer then proceeded to collapse after about 25
>minutes with a re-occurence of the injury.  The TV coverage shows that 
>he was not subjected to any harsh treatment, its just that he wasn't fit.
>
>This is not just the well being of Blackburn Rovers F.C. but English 
>chances of W.C. qualification.  It's not as if the match was against
>really outstanding opponents, or even that Mr Daglish had a lack of 
>replacement players.  Wergle(or Wiggley) made the Blackburn side look
>much stronger.  Kenny needs to get a grip or else he'll find himself
>`resigning' from the pressure to take up the Scottish Managers job.

What does Dalglish care about England for, it's Blackburn that pay his wages
and he can use whatever players he has at his disposal. I would have thought
that "the best league in the world" could provide more than two forwards,
especially one who wouldn't be at home in the ring.

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk  abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     "...but Joe was to belie comparisons to all these
 Edinburry                   men and introduce a new concept to Scottish
 Scotland                    fitba' - a striker who could score a goal!!"
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From: esp@meiko.co.uk 
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Reply-To: esp@meiko.co.uk
Organization: Meiko Ltd
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:47:27 GMT


> I suggest that the reason why clubs like this are struggling is not so much lack
> of support, as they have the same support now that they always did, give or take.
> The real problem here is that the game is being taken over by money. It is becoming
> a cut throat business where clubs have to make a profit to survive. None of the
> accountants give a shit about the fans, the smaller clubs or anyone else.
> Soon we are going to see the end of terracing! My beloved Kop will be seated, what
> then. Where are all those twenty thousand people that fill the Kop at Hillsborough
> going to go? Does anyone give a shit about the fact that 20,000 people prefer to
> stand, and want terracing to remain? No. What a shameful way to treat fans who have
> loyally supported the clubs for years and years. I bet if you ask all the people on
> the Kop at Hillsborough, Liverpool, or anywhere else who chooses to stand whether
> terracing should be kept and almost all of them will state that they wan't terracing
> to remain. This is the real tradegy in football. That accountant bods and MP's who
> have no real interest in the game, make decisions involving fans whose views are
> not even given the slightest consideration. This for me STINKS. Even more fans
> will get turned away as more and more greed pours into the game.

It's all part of the problem... the people who own/run football clubs are business men and not football supporters. eg The creation of the Premier League, BSkyB having the rights for live coverage etc etc etc!!!!

> 
> 
> >Support Your LOCAL team!!!!
> >
> 
> What are your views on closet fans. People who support a team and then have to
> move away and continue to support their old team. For example I am a closet Owl.
> From Sheffield, support the Owls and then move away and continue to support the
> club. Should I support Bristol City??? I think not!
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^ GOD FORBID!!!!!

OK, so I was generalising, but I think you know the point I'm trying to make! And when you started supporting The Owls, they were local. To stay loyal when you're living away from Sheffield is something to be admired!

But whilst you're in Bristol why don't you pop along to either the City or the Rover's ground....... you never know you might enjoy it!
> 
> 
Steve

The Gas!

There's only one 'Big Fat Mal'????????

ps Wouldn't it have been easier to catch me in the canteen Paul?
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:54:14 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: redx.cac.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan7.231917.2131@europa.asd.contel.com>, andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
|> 
|> Russ,
|> 
|> SportsChannel will be showing all three US games and Prime Network is 
|> interested in the other three games.  Prime showed two games live from last
|> years US Cup.
|> 
Yeah, I saw the ones on Prime.  That was nice but being in the broadcast
barbarian lands I don't get SportsChannel and thus have NEVER yet seen the
US team play.  What I want is for ABC/ESPN to get off their collective
asses and get started broadcasting in prep for WC94 on two channesl that
probably 95% of the US receives in some form or another.

-russ
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOUNESS V SMITH
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:39:13 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan6.183038.2661@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> 
> there is a lot of talk in the media that Souness was the man whochanged
> Rangers from a team of mediocre also-rans into the side they are right now.
> I think most of this is in fact down to Walter Smith.
> 
> compare the following:
> 
> at Rangers: Given lots of dosh to spend. Comes up with a fairly good side
>             team wins titles, league cups etc

This also applies to Smith. 

> 
> at Liverpool: Given lots of dosh to spend. Is relying on reserve players these
>                 days. team wins....

This also applies to Walter Smith
> 
> conclusion: souness is a crap manager, smith did all the work at ibrox, souness
>             took most of the credit. 
>  
Conclusion: Both are average managers, but it just shows you what money in ANY
            hands does MOST of the time, gets some success. !!!!!!


If you look at the budgets of Aberdeen,Dundee Utd,Celtic,and Rangers when they

were competing and winning in europe you should conclude that these managers 

were the GREAT ones not somebody who has a blank cheque book.
 

-:In The End:-

Anton.
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool = Roman Empire
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:43:11 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      At least don't be quick to say that Manchester United has already won the
championship pal!!!!
      And also don't be quick to say that Liverpool will not be strong again.
                                                                    Panos
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SSL Starts to Crumble  !!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:35:34 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

IT'S IN THE PAPERS, IT MUST BE TRUE !!!!

Today's Daily Record is reporting that Jim Oliver, the Chairman of that well
known Glasgow giant, Partick Thistle, is having second thoughts about the
Scottish Super League proposals.

The first of many ????????

-: In The End :-
A.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Summary: England - Brasil @ Washington DC 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:00:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.184150.19302@das.harvard.edu> leslie@coral.harvard.edu (Wayne Leslie) writes:
>
>The US Cup tournament will begin June 6, with the US meeting Brazil
>in New Haven.  Only one other date has been set - June 19 for
>England vs Germany in Pontiac, Mich.
>
>"Knowledgeable people will recognize this as a top-class tournament,"
>said England coach Graham Taylor on a recent visit to Boston.
>
>

England are set to play Brasil as part of the US Cup'93 tournament on
June 12 at RFK stadium in Washington DC. Where did we go wrong in getting 
only _1_ match this time around?

We had over 35,000 people last year in the hard rain for the USA-Eire match 
and Chicago
only managed to come near us with combined matches (10k for USA-Portugal and
24k for USA-Italy). What's the USSF's reasoning behind the awarding of the
two fixtures for Chicago this year?

Any chance that Taylor will get sacked in 6 months time and an inevitable
England comeback for Waddle? :-)

-Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: esp@meiko.co.uk 
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Reply-To: esp@meiko.co.uk
Organization: Meiko Ltd
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:34:41 GMT


In article 2687@dct.ac.uk, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.094454.26223@meiko.com>, esp@meiko.co.uk writes:
> > 
> > John Bell wrote:
> > 
> > If your interested and have access to Sky Sports Channel, our FA Cup 3rd Rnd reply against Aston Villa, is live next Wednesday!!! Wow our first game to be broadcast live to the nation!!! Trip to the bathroom stuff........??? 
> 
> think i'll watch
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'll give you a wave....... With a capacity of 8,800, who knows????

I'll be watching Dundee's progress, good luck!

Steve

Come on you blues!
The Gas!
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SSL Super...don't make me laugh
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:30:02 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan8.105216.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> Celtic's New Plan For League Domination.
> 
> From this mornings Herald it was reported that Celtic has turned its back
> on the new Scottish Super League after making a donation of around 300,000
> pounds (enough for a new Celtic striker).
> Is this the Celtic plan for league domination, are they thinking of joining
> the first division to try and win some glory or is this just a case of hard
> cheese from a club who are looking like going down the bog anyway?
> Only time will tell if Mr Kelly and Co will last at the head of this club
> but why must they try and ruin the future of Scottish football, a last act of
> defiance before they are booted out of Scottish football ?
> 
Hardly the last act of defiance, more likely the first act of common sense !!!

Why do most people take Mercer,Murray, et al, without question ????

The only thing that these guys are interested in is profit. AS for a "super"
league, I'd hardly call teams like Motherwell, Partick Thistle, or Dunfermline
super !!!!

If this league is designed to be the best, where do Raith Rovers fit in ????
They are running away with the First Div. yet really don't have what it takes
to compete in the premier league. Granted they'd give the bottom half of the
league something of a hard game but it would hardly be "super" for the fans.


> Ian Davis
> Blue Nose

It doesn't show, honest !!! (You obviously believe everything Mr Murray says.)


-: In The End :-

A.
From: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: The Mighty Liverpool
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--    
     Everybody seems to believe that Man. Utd. can finally win the league 
title after so many years but not me. When it comes to the crunch, they don't
have the bottle. When they see the finishing line, they will falter.
I remember back in 1985-86 when Utd. won the first ten games of the season.
Everybody thought then that they would walk away with the title but they
didn't. Who won the title that year? Liverpool of course collecting 34 points
out of a possible 36 at the finish. Then they completed the double by
beating Everton in the cup final.

Utd. may still be supported as well as Liverpool and the reason they are
quite well supported as that their fans are still feeding off the success of
the 1968 European cup side with Best, Law, Charlton, etc.

      Regards,

       Martin 

       Martin Cunniffe, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com
From: G62N000 <G62N@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:05:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>
>What a two-weeks holiday can do to a person! The last days I was so bored
>that I watched some English FA-Cup soccer. Soon I was even more bored, by
>the lack of intelligence in the games, but then Bolton Wanderers against
>Liverpool came up...
>
>You'll all now the result (2-2) by now. Just another example of what the
>English premier league means... Bolton TWO (!!!) divisions lower than
>Liverpool, one of the so-called 'top-teams' in England. What a joke!
>That kind of results can only be true in England. Liverpool, IF it were the
>top-team it pretends to be, should have easily CRUSHED Bolton, just by the
>status the team has. But no, they play 2-2. Nowhere in Europe the (real)
>top-teams make a laugh of themselves in that way. They just win with 3 or 4
>goals difference, just because they ARE top-teams!
>

It just goes to show how SHITTY the lower divisions are in the other
countries in Europe.  This result is not really a suprise for Liverpool
the way they are playing under G. Souness.  He is the worst Liverpool
manager in last 30 years for Liverpool.  From a Liverpool fan of almost
20 years, it's time to sack Souness.

>Another remarkable thing I noticed: Stuart Pearce, the captain of the English
>national team, plays for Nottingham Forrest. I grabbed my Voetbal International
>from somewhere and looked for the English standings and yes... Forrest
>firmly occupy the last position in the Premier League. That's a strange thing,
>I think. What if Forrest relegates this season? Will Pearce still play for them
>in the first division? And will he then still be captain (or even player) for
>the national team? I don't think that would happen if something like that
>happened here. If a player plays for a lower-regions team here, he isn't
>selected at all for the Dutch team. Any comments about that strange situation?
>

Stuart Pearce is a good player, and Forrest play an attractive type of
game, Forrest just can't finish.  When talking about the England team
I think it's the manager that needs to take the flack.  Taylor is a
brutal manager, up there with Souness.  Some of his selections for
the England team are just rediculous.

>
>--
>-  Q: Why do I like white beans in /\  Mischa Bronstring (bronstri@fwi.uva.nl) -
>-     tomatosauce?                 \/    Schoterbosstraat 15                   -
>-  A: Because PSV Eindhoven plays  /\      2023 TR  Haarlem                    -
>-     in white and red!            \/        HOLLAND                           -




Paul O'Sullivan                   E-mail -   G62N@UNB.CA
University of New Brunswick
Fredericton, NB                   L I V E R P O O L   F .  C .
Canada                                    1892 - 1992
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SSL: The Celtic Defection
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:31:08 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan11.093729.9801@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> As previously mentioned, Celtic have defected from the ranks of the SSL back
> to supporting the Scottish League for a structure of 14-12-12. Over the
> weekend, it became clearer as to why Celtic have decided to do this.
> 
> The proposal for the 14 team Premier League is outragous. After playing 26
> games, the league splits up into two with the top six playing each other
> twice to decide the Champions. However, the teams will start with zero points!
> If you take a look at the Premier League at the moment, Rangers are *twelve*
> points ahead of Celtic with a game in hand after only 24 games. One can see
> the self motives here.
> 
Typically, this is utter nonsense.  The format of the 14-12-12 proposal has not
been decided precisely because the Premier clubs have not yet become involved in
the negotiations.  Perhaps Celtic's motives were to bring such negotiations
about under the umbrella of the SL/SFA.  It is possible(?) that Celtic lean
towards the original MIM/Aberdeen proposal.  The present Celtic Bored's motives
will continue to be a mystery to all, particularly their supporters, and while
I agree with them pulling out of the SSL I am not impressed with the manner in
which it was done.  Neither am I all that confident in the 14-12-12 set-up but
I would like all concerned to sit round a table and work something out which
has the best interests of Scottish Football at its heart.
Celtic should never have had anything to do with the Carnegie Partnership (we
know buggerall about football and will always act in the interests of Mr Murray
who is afterall our boss and knows loads about football) or MIM-SSL, which
strangely enough has Murray's puppet/chum as its chairman.  Let's hope the
others see  sense.  The SFA and SL may need a boot up the arse but they are an
infinitely better prospect than being a pawn in some grand plan of Murray and
his pals.
One small hope for Celtic fans may be that this latest mess will bring about
the changes in the running of the club needed to get Celtic back to the top
of Scottish football (all clubs;-)).

Chris
From: mm@moessel.sybase.com (Martin Moessel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: US Soccer News & Thoughts
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:09:56 GMT

In article <9301051320.AA19708@cs.utexas.edu>, JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU writes:
|> Folks,
|> 
|> 	Every once in a while someone makes a comment using language that 
|> incorrectly describes something. Below is an example.
|> 
|> ----------------
|> was recently chosen by ONZE [one of the biggest French soccer magazines] 
|> -----------------
|> 
|> 	Really now! One of the biggest ? How about one of the bigger. After 
|> all, there can only be one biggest. Sigh. (Pardon my ranting. I am still 
|> annoyed by "Paramedics help dog bite victim")
|> 
|> 	josef
|> 	jzeevi@swri.edu

sorry for yelling: in case you haven't noticed, but there are
quite a few non native english speakers around. i guess my
english is better than your german. if you only want to read
proper english, stick to your local newspaper and stay off
the net, ok ?

regards

martin
From: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gary Spain where are you??
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:09:44 GMT
Reply-To: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk (Nitesh Patel)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Calling Gary Spain where are you? 
Isn't this world a small place? Especially if you're from Eire.


	Cheers

	Nitesh

reply to : n.patel@lut.ac.uk
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: BBC (was the EBC)
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:44:18 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan11.131658.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.122512.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>> In article <1993Jan11.114324.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS We dont really want that plonker David Mellor as a Rnagers fan as he
>>> admitted on Radio 5>
>> He keeps very good company, does he not?  Brian Meek (tory), Alan Massie
>> (tory), Andy and Alec Cameron (comedians), Mr Abie and Ben Gunn (comedians!),
>> Ian Botham (tory), Scottish Office tories who scuppered the Hampden
>> redevelopment in union with the powers at Ibrox, the Sun journalists
>> (comedians) who set up the not so successful venture into paperdom with Mr
>> Murray, the Carnegie Partnership, ill-mannered"fat-cats" referred to recently
>> who probably all vote tory, Mrs Thatcher, nearly all Scottish tories and Wet,
>> Wet, Wet.  Additions welcome;-).
> 
> 
> 	Just goes to show it's the Peoples Game with supporters coming from
> all walks of life to support their team  :-)
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>                                        +
> Sandy Mackinnon,                       + 
> At the Cutting Edge of Fuel Science,   + 
> University of Strathclyde,             +      cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk 
> Glasgow,                               + 
> Scotland.                              +  
> 	  	                       +
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 		Don't mention the Quadruple...............
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dear Sandy, 

 Please enlighten us to this one. You surely don't mean the Camlachie
Stanklifters Quiz night, do you ????????
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: 2nd CFV for Rec.Sport.Soccer Player of the Year 1992
Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:26:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

    This is the second CFV for our annualy vote for the Best Player of the
Year. I have 18 votes counted, so far.

    Send YOUR five best players in 1992 in order, the only restriction this
year is that you can just name two players from the same country.
(I'll have a good proposal for a new rule for next year's vote which I'll
 pass over to the votetaker when he volunteers....)

Send your vote to me at the address below, please indicate your country of 
Origin and the country you are currently living in to give me some
demographic analysis.

Cheers,
Kent

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From: tedwards@cam.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:46:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi steve 
Happy new year 

How was you vacation, did you go sking like you were planning    
i got back Monday from having two weeks off. We had our machines turned
off so if you sent me mail it probably bounced back. 
I went out and purchased a new truck a 93 Ford Ranger it's nice i really 
like it. I spent most of the xmass at home as Phyllis had to go to work 
for a couple of days and the rest of the time the kids were sick.
I see Arsenal scraped by a non-league team (hat trick by Smith) and Preston
are only one position from the relegation zone. 
Gretzky is back to night looking forward to watching him again (maybe the slump
is over) If you feel like taking in another game game let me know and i will 
check out what tickets are available. 
well i got to go get coffee. talk to you later


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