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From: andrew@cs.chalmers.se (Andrew Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Kipling is Withnail (Was Re: new HELLBLAZER reader...needs background...)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:11:43 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS, Chalmers, Sweden

David Henry writes:

>It should be noted that the Kipling character in Doom Patrol (who appears
>in basically every third storyline, I think) is basically a running
>Constantine take-off. However, not even Johnny C., whom I think is the
>end-all and be-all of mystics, has ever said anything as kick-ass as
>Kipling's bitch to the Candlemaker in the current issue of Doom Patrol.
>(Of course, Kipling never did that classic last panel at the end of the
>Dangerous Habits storyline... John has his reputation to live up to,
>y'know. :-)

Not only that, he's a JC parody that has been pretty heavily based on
Withnail from "Withnail and I".  Kipling's first appearance includes
lots of paraphrased quotes from the movie, and Kipling's habit of drinking
continuously, whining about having "a bastard behind the eyes", demanding a
drink whenever things get rough ("... my right as an Englishman"), being
really rude and inconsiderate to everyone around him.  The only difference
is that Kipling has some nouse about the occult and has shown some bravery.
In his earlier appearances, Kipling looked much more like Richard E. Grant
(plays Withnail in the film) who some of you may know from "Warlock" and
more recently, "The Player".

"Withnail and I", Handmade Films, mid-80s: damn fine film.  Watch it if
you ever get the chance, and see where Kipling really comes from.

>David R. Henry

Andy

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From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:45:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.232124.2003@dragon.acadiau.ca> 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon) writes:
>
>People:
>
>   On the subject of who to play Jean Grey, how about Joanne Whalley-Kilmer?
>She doesn't quite look exactly like Jean, but she's HOT as a red-head (see
>Willow, for a look) and she's a decent actress.
>

How about Cindy Crawford (the model from the Pepsi commercials) if she
could act. She certainly has the hair for it. 

			Jolly Roger


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From: 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.)
Subject: RE: Subscriptions and Reserves
Keywords: comics
Organization: Centre d'Informatique, Centre universitaire Saint-Louis-Maillet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:19:20 GMT

There's always a failsafe to discounts.  Being the friend of a comic store 
owner is an edge as also being the first mail order customer!  





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From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Madman
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:15:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>> Has anyone ever read the comic called Madman?
>>>
>>> Is it worth reading?


    In a world of wide-mouthed, annoying 2-dimensional characters and
overly-zealous-desiring-to-be mature books, Madman is a breath of fresh air.
Now that I've created a grammatical disaster for my opening sentence;  I
highly recommend Madman for people tired of the same old *%)#!

    Its character is a great 2-dimensional character with depth!  (Doesn't
make sense?  Then pick up the book!)  The art is different and well executed
and finally he's getting a quarterly!!

-- 

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Cedrick  Chan,  a lost demented soul
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From: kllove@panther.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Subject: Re: The Current Status of the Five (IMHO) Major Comic Distributors
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:50:10 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


After reading some of the messages in this thread, all I can say is:

   "Sheesh!  Am I the only person in the world buying DC comices almost
    exclusively and even LIKING it?!?".

Enough of my ranting...

                                                  Later,
                                                  Kenneth Love
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 Redux (SPOILERS)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:05:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov6.024131.3127@BofA.com> ross@BofA.COM (Ross Lefstin) writes:
>My contribution to the great 'Who shot Bernie Capax' debate.

Nice ideas, one and all, but given what else is happening in DC these
weeks, I think the idea is obvious:

Doomsday killed Bernie Capax. Just knocked that darn building right over
on top of him.
-- 
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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Mocking Bird in WCA
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:30:25 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Just got my West Coast Avengers.  Can you believe what they did to Mocking
Bird!?  I turned the page and yelled, I was so alarmed.  Let's hope this is
not their way of finalizing Hawkeye's divorce!  (I always liked Mocking Bird
better than Hawkeye, US Agent, Iron Man, or Wonder Man.)  There is a character
that has really been screwed over.

						wReam...
					
P.S.  And then did everyone notice how conveniently Scarlet Witches powers
kicked in?  Any bets that they will kick out again before she fights Ultron!? 
For once I would love to see her do some serious butt-kicking for the cause 
of good.  (I remember when she kicked the Avenger's butts but that was when she
was possessed... :(   )
From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: A1, Epic style
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:30:39 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov6.053108.23588@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Along for the Ride
>	Story: Igor Goldkind, Art: Glenn Fabry, 9 pp.
[stuff...]
>middle America, opening up with a British tourist in a Redneck bar.
>After a little good old American disillusionment (tm), he hitches a
>ride with a fairly bizaare trio on their way to Mexico, and the story
>gets really allegorical.  I thought this to be the best episode in the
>book, and I enjoyed it a great deal.  It's very reminiscent of
>Milligan's work in Shade, particularly parts of 'American Scream' and
>'The Road'

I'm not entirely sure, but it seemed to me that the bizaare trio was William
S Burroughs and Co on their way to Mexico just after Burroughs shot his
wife.  The other two would be Jack Kerouak and Alan Ginsberg.
-- 
Ken Small
kens@umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Who should join Image
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:18:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov3.180635.5843@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

+>Hmm.  The Image-inaries seem to be out in force today.  At least one person on 
+>that list, PAD, has about as much chance of joining Image as Ross Perot voting 
+>for Bush today.  All indications are that PAD harbors a certain (perhaps large)
+>degree of ill-will toward Image in general and a few of its artists in 
+>specific.  Of course, I'm waiting for Time-Warner to buy Malibu so it can get 
+>in on the money....

	Company robots always hate anything where people outside the 
"plantation(s)" have the chance to make money.  You see, your supposed
to be "loyal" to your company which always has your best intrests at
heart.  And if the company orders you to put out books with bad plots and
silly stories, thats just the way things are.  You take what the master's
say is a reasonable cut and keep quiet.

	I mean the whole idea of image....creators actually owning characters
and taking a large share of the money is absurd and evil.  Besides which
anyone who leaves marvel has no talent anyway.





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From: klein@seq.uncwil.edu (Tony Klein)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Thor
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:24:45 GMT

On a different note, could some kind soul summarize what has been going
on lately with Thor for those of us who don't want to be seen buying the
book :)
From: smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ElfQuest: KotBW -- what was it all about? (Was: Re: Yet another ElfQuest fan.)
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:32:44 GMT

Well I have been reading Elfquest since almost the very begining, and it was 
my favorite.  I believed it was the best thing done in comics, until Watchman
came out, I might still believe this.  But the "Siege at Blue Mountain" story
I did find lacking.  It didn't have the same narative flow as the previous books.
But I kept with it.  When "Kings of the Broken Wheel" started I was sure that
the Pini's had lost it.  They had spent soo long on one story that they didn't 
know how to write another one.  I was thinking about giving up on the book, but
kept with it.  Looking back I find that I did not like any of those issues.  But
when "The Hidden Years" came out I changed my mind.  These are good stories, well
writen with the narative flow that turned me on to the comic in the first place.
These stories I enjoy a lot, and I am waiting for more.  I wonder why there was
a big difference in the style of story-telling?  The KotBW story always seemed
rushed, and the characters did not act consistantly, like Wendy had lost her
train of thought while drawing.  Anyway, I am glad that the KotBW issues are 
over, and the Pini's are on to better things.

Douglas Smith

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 Redux (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:06:17 GMT

In article <BxA3H4.DoE@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.024131.3127@BofA.com> ross@BofA.COM (Ross Lefstin) writes:
>>My contribution to the great 'Who shot Bernie Capax' debate.
>
>Nice ideas, one and all, but given what else is happening in DC these
>weeks, I think the idea is obvious:
>
>Doomsday killed Bernie Capax. Just knocked that darn building right over
>on top of him.

Actually I like this idea.  It be nice if at least one thing in the DOOMSDAY
story was well written.

----SCAVENGER
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From: yngvar@imr.no (Yngvar Foelling)
Subject: Re: Yet another ElfQuest fan.
Organization: Institute of Marine Research, Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:09:21 GMT

In article <Bx4Kwu.7os@access.digex.com>, tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man) writes:
|> yngvar@imr.no (Yngvar Foelling) writes:
|> >
|> >    Dan Parmenter rejects anything beyond the original 20 issues.  Receives
|> >    conditional support from The Secret Man.
|> >
|> 
|> Well, not exactly;  I agreed with him that I did not find much entertainment
|> in SaBM, but I felt that KotBW, particularly the 7th and 9th issues, was much
|> more like what I would like to find when I open an EQ comic.

I said _conditional_.  Maybe partial would be a better word.

While I agree with the general opinion that the original series was the best
overall, I'd also say that it contained the lousiest issue WaRP have come
up with so far: #4 (I'm ignoring New Blood for the moment).

However, if I grade all issues, one will inevitably end up at the bottom.
I've certainly seen worse elsewhere.

One major problem I had with the story "Kings of the Broken Wheel" was that
I could never figure out what it really was _about_.  What was the title
supposed to mean?
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman #1
Organization: Little Squids of the Endless
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:39:34 GMT

In <1992Nov7.015553.1903@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam):
>>I started re-reading my old copies of Sandman yesterday (I've been
>>buying it since issue #1), and I noticed something.  In either issue
>>#1 or #2, when talking about dream's capture, the narration says
>>something to the effect that Dream was under terrible pressures...

>Not 'terrible', but pressures, yes.  There doesn't seem to have been
>any particular crisis, but we've been getting many hints that he was
>approaching a personal crisis of no longer being satisfied with
>himself or his 'life'.  His capture seems to have catalyzed his change
>to a kinder and gentler Sandman, and one of the main questions, at
>this point in the series, is whether or not he will choose to keep
>the position.

Something was definitely afoot. The big clue is he was wearing his helmet
when captured. As previously posted, Mr G has mentioned (in a CSN interview) 
that he would like to get back to that story after he finishes up the 
stories he has planned for the Sandman series. So we'll have to wait 
around 2-3 years to find out.
--
   Lance "RainDog" Smith     |   "Outrageous, alarming, courageous, charming.
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)      |    Oh, who would think a boy and bear 
   Still waiting for the     |    could be well accepted everywhere
    Great Leap Forward.      |    It's just amazing how fair people can be."
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From: hachiman@stein.u.washington.edu (matt)
Subject: Re: +_+_PHILISTIN TEMPLE at DRAGON +_+_+
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.200321.1@vms.ucc.okstate.edu> vpillai@vms.ucc.okstate.edu writes:
>hi
>	Can anybody help me for answering this question
>
>	Who distroyed PHILISTIN TEMPLE fo DRAGON at GAZA ?
>
>	Thanking in advance for your reply
>
>	VELU PILLAI
>

Wasn't it Suicide Squid? After the Philistines chopped off his ten long,
silky, arms (thus draining him of his inhuman strength), destroyed his eyes
with that substance so baneful to waterdwellers: fire, and then separated him 
from his beloved Mother Sea by surrounding him in the solid stone of a 
Philistine dungeon, he finally got his opportunity for revenge after many years
of suffering.  Eager to torment their vanquished enemy, the Philistines brought
him out in public on the occasion of one of their many debaucherous feasts.  The
doomridden squid lifted one last prayer to his Mother Sea, and then extended his
partially regenerated arms of death.  Groping blindly, he was able to find the 
pillars that supported the roof of the temple of Dagon (a Philistine god of the 
sea that was one of Mother Sea's bitterest rivals) and tear them down.  With
a mighty shriek, tons of stone plunged down killing the uber-Squid and his
Philistine foes.

 _______________________________
|  Matthew B. Downer       	|
|  hachiman@u.washington.edu	|
|  				|
|  Ore no denwa bango wa 911 da.|
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (St. Elmo's Fire)
Subject: Re: Legion of Super-Heroes...
Organization: Man in Motion
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:10:28 GMT
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In article <lfhg5aINN2b7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
> In article <1992Oct31.144321.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Nearer My Elmo to Thee) writes:
> 
>>	Change?  Change is inevitable.  But most of the changes in the series
>>have not been the result of development, but the result of writers' fiat.
>>And the changes have not led into good stories--the LSH with "Sean" Erin is a
>>good example of this; the story went nowhere.
> 
> In what sense did the story go nowhere ? It gave us a spotlight on Jan Arrah,
> the first since about #27 or so of the third series. It brought up the issue
> of Jan's sexuality, which was a open question for quite a while, predating
> Levitz. If I had been genuinely concerned about the Sean/Shvaughn character,
> I would have been ticked off, but I always thought he/she/it was a nothing
> character, unlike the Jan Arrah character, whom I happen to like a lot. 

	Well, it did beaucoup -hinting- that Jan had killed someone a long time
ago with his powers, but it didn't do anything with it.  It -hinted- that he
was bi or gay, but didn't say so (possibly due to upstairs editorial pressure,
though).
	And, of course, having -had- a spotlight on Jan, he hasn't appeared
since.  (I think)
	Recall also the beginning of the next issue, where someone mentions
that Jan-clone is "talking, really talking" about his "problems".  First, it's
talking -about- the story, not telling it, and second, it's not development,
it's fiat.  Bam--he's got problems (not hinted at before); bam--he's
"talking, really talking" about them.  Response level zero for this reviewer.

> Bringing in young Jan at the end was a great move as well. 

	At the end?  He was around the whole time.  Recall the mystifying
sequence where he made too big a hole, or his power went wild, or the Dominator
soldiers couldn't find the stop pedal (There's exposition for you--I *still*
can't figure out what happened in that scene).
	The whole "fairy tale" was done as an overlay on clone-Jan.
-- 
"Those who will give up essential liberty to secure a little temporary safety  
deserve neither liberty nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin                        
  
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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Ravage 2099 issue 2.....
Originator: stdeprie@c00515-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:22:59 GMT


Well sports fans, it's official, after buying and reading issue 2 of ravage,
I would say that it is time to drop this little puppy from my purchase list.
$1.25 may not be much, but the writing leaves a little too much too be desired
to continue with this little gem.  Ah well, it didn't look promising after 
issue 1....maybe they should foil stamp all of Ravage's covers.
From: f_alfan@pavo.concordia.ca (ALFANI, FABRIZIO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: subscriptions and reserves
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:14:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I've noticed lately that people have been talking about their subscription
service (also know as reserves service) at their local comic book stores.
The store I go to gives me a 35% discount on American prices for comics (
I live in Canada, so that's a great discount) as well as put all my comics in
a protective bag with cardboard backing. This of course is only for those comic
books which I get on a regular basis.

Is this normal? (practically giving away comics that is?) Anyone out there 
found a place which gives them even more ridiculous bargains (not that I'm
complaining mind you)

Sorry to start a thread like this, but I jes wanted to know 


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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Big Numbers - Does it still exist?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:44:05 GMT


A looooooong time ago (at least two years) a book called Big Numbers 
appeared with art by Bill Sinkiewicz and a story by Alan Moore (I think).
I bought the first two issues, but I could never find any issues after 
that. Does anyone know what happenned to this title?


//////////////
Eric "Torque" Stieglitz (aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu)

I sleep, eat, and study; therefore, I am, I think.

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