From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: reply #4 to Mr. Mubarak: REFERENCES ON KHATAM!!!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:21:43 GMT

umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:

>Dear readers,
>Asslam-o-Alaikum,

   Wa aliaka.

>At the end of the debate on Khatam-e-Nabuuat, I will quote a few references
>from Islamic literature just to satisfy those of you who might have gotten
>this idea, from repeated sayings of Mr. Mubarak, that all my claims of
>references were baseless.

   It would have been better if you "give them something to talk about,"
for you screwed it up.

>[1]. The saint among the saints, the Imam and the Reformer of the second
>     millenium, HAZRAT SHEIKH AHMAD FAROOQI (MUJADDID ALAF SANI) (d.1034AH):
>     "The rising of a prophet after the khatamar Rasul Hazrat Muhammad,
>     the chosen one, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his own
>     followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his
>     status as the Khatamar Rasul. Therefore, O ye reader, do not be among
>     those who doubt."  
>                       (Maktubat Imam Rabbani Hazrat Mujadad Alaf Thani)

   Why would I consider his opinion? Is he a Companion or something?
(And to be frank with you I've never heard of him.)

>[2]. The most renowned and distinguished commentator of the Holy Quran and
>     a leader of Sufi school of thought, HAZRAT MOHYIUD DIN IBNI ARABI:
>       "From the study and contemplation of the Darud (darud sharif) we have
>        arrived at teh definite conclusion that there shall, from among the
>        Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in matter of prophethood
>        shall advance to the level of the prophets, if Allah pleases. But 
>        they shall not be given any book of law."
>                          (Fatuhati Makiyya, Vol. 1, p.545)

   First, Sufism is made up after the Prophet and it is a "bid'ah", they
need someone to defend them before being able to defend you. Second, I
do not know what the Arabic text was (why do not you provide it), so you
might have misinterpreted it. Third, Mirza Sahib did modify/corrupt Islam,
so how can you call him non-law-bearing prophet? (He need not modify that
God is one!)

>[3]. The sixth Imam of the Shia sect, who lived in the first century of
>     Islam, HAZRAT JA'FAR SADIQ, peace be on him, (d.148AH), siad:
>         Hazrat Abu Ja'far, while discussing the Quranic verse ``For verily
>         We granted the Book to the children of Abraham.....'', said that
>         God vouchsafed to the children of Abraham Messengers, Prophets and
>         Imams. But what is ironical is that people believe in what God 
>         blessed the children of Abraham yet they deny this blessing for
>         the progeny of Muhammad.
>                       (Al-Safi Shrah Asool Al-Kafi vol 3, p.119)

   You claim to be Sunni Muslims! To your knowledge, we, Sunni Muslim, do
not take the Shiite heritage as an evidence to anything and this Imamah
thing was made up by them along with many other things.

>[4]. A very renowned sufi and a very famous writer and speaker, HAZRAT IMAM
>     ABDUL WAHAB SH'ERANI (d.976AH/1568AD)
>        Let it be known that the order of prophethood has not totally ceased:
>        it is the Law-bearing prophethood which has discontinued.
>                   (Al Yawaqeet wal Jawahar, Vol.III. p.35)

   Sufis are just a bit less preverse than Ahmadis, but in the same ship.
Also the same comment, about the new laws that Mirza Khan got, holds.

>ONE LAST NOTE:
>==============
>Ahmdaiyya beliefs about the Khatam-e-Nabuuat (or Finality of Prophethood) are
>not our innovations; rather all the Ulama-e-Rabbani, Aulia Allah, Muhaddiseen,
>Imaam of Fiqeh, and Saints of Islam--that are widely known and universally
>venerated among Muslims--have expressed the ``the same views, in the LAST 1300
>YEARS''. Before passings judgement on the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, you
>will have to denounce and disshown your own Islamic heritage (God forbid).

   Why would we consider what you provide us with to be our Islamic heritage?
If what you transmitted was true I would feel very proud to disconsider those
scholars and yet ask for more to disconsider, I am in the mood.

One Hell of a Note for You:
<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=>

   Why do not you feel sorry to have to disown the Prophet because he said
there will be no Prophets after him? Any time, you wish, you can look the
Bukhari and Muslim books to make sure we are not kidding you. Or quoting
something out of context as you doctor claims and fails to provide the
correct context. And as a rational person, would I chose to believe the
Prophet or those unknowns that you rain me with? (It's an excercise for
the rigorous reader.)

**Nabeel
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   Sorry for it is written in the book, "HUMAN **Nabeel;"
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