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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Diego: Hand of God.  NOT !!!
Date: 22 Jul 1992 11:17:16 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Thank God the people that criticize this particular incident are not 
judge and jury.  If they were, they would surely have convicted the wrong man.

Diego successfully committed an offense.  This is NO different from any 
other game, at any time, at any place.

The person that should be persecuted remains both nameless and fameless 
(or infamous).  The referee of that game should bare all the barbs of 
this incident.  Diego attempted what many a talented player have tried. 
 Not all were successful, but they tried never the less.  Diego is 
branded for an incident which should rest solely on the referee, who 
failed to make the call.

When will you people (who criticize Maradona) stop this ridiculous witch hunt!

I feel this outrage for him has little or nothing to do with this 
incident, as any MATURE person would disregard this incident as a very 
poor job of officiating.

"Hand of God", NOT!  Blind (in)justice, definitely!

Francis.
(official judge and jury).  :)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Tourist info: Ajax exposition in Amsterdam.
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:19:41 GMT

Here is some info for all the people who are interested in football
and who are coming to visit Amsterdam.

From August 1 untill September 6 there will be an exposition about
Ajax in Amsterdam. All the prices they won are shown as well as
videos and pictures of the earlier days. Besides that other 
things which have to do with Ajax are shown.

The place of the exposition is:

Beurs van Berlage.
street: Damrak
entrance Dfl. 7.50 (aboout $4).

It is five minutes walk from the Central Station.

louis kossen


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Subject: Wanted: Info on Scottish Superleague
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:46:27 +0000

Can anyone e-mail me details of developments in the Scottish
Superleague saga over the last month? I've been on holiday and
missed what's going on.
         James Ross  (j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
[sorry if this is a duplicate post, I tried to post this
yesterday but I don't know if it got through]
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: CONCACAF qualifying games
Keywords: incomplete!
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:07:48 GMT

CONCACAF qualifying results and fixtures:

Central American Region, two-leg aggregate:

Series 1
--------

Guatamala 0 Honduras 0
Honduras Guatamala  <july 26>

Winner to Group A

Series 2
--------

Panama Costa Rica <august 16>
Costa Rica Panama <august 23>

Winner to Group A

Series 3
--------

Nicaragua 0 El Salvador 5
El Salvador Nicaragua <july 23>

Winner to Group B

Sorry, I don't have any of the caribbean first round results other
than that Jamaica beat Trinidad 2-1 in the first leg of their tie,
with the winner going into Group B.

Group A will consist of Mexico, Series 1 and 2 winners from above,
plus one caribbean team.

Group B will consist of Canada, almost certainly El Salvador, plus two
caribbean teams.

Top two of each group qualify for final group of four. Winner of final
group qualifies automatically, runner up goes through the bizarre
CONCACAF/Oceania/South America playoff nonsense.

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:16:02 -0400 
From: "Paul M. Smith" <ps2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: among the thugs

I'm new to this bboard as of July, so excuse me if this one's already
been done:  If anyone out there has read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs,
I'm interested in collecting responses to it. The thing is, I have to do
a review of it for an electronic journal, Postmodern Culture, and
thought it would be valuably postmodern, not to mention nicely cultural,
to see what netnews folk had to say about it.


Paul Smith
ps2g@andrew.cmu.edu
From: csfraw@kullero.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: denmark vs ghana
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@kullero.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Jul29.014904.21781@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN) writes:
>could somebody please post the result of the ghana vs denmark 
>game today.
>			thanx
*************************************************************************

            GHANA   0   DENMARK 0
--
Francis A-Akoto             | csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi| Who the cap fits let
Department Of Comp. Science | csfraw@kielo.cs.uta.fi| them wear it . 
PL 607                      |                       |
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Egypt's performance (was Re: Olympic Soccer--Standings)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:51:54 GMT


In article <6240@kielouta.fi>, csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:

>  Both Nort African teams Morrocco & Egypt were terrible at the games. Egypt
> winning 4-3 in the last game proved nothing. Remember Spain beat Colombia 4-0.
> The only African country to advance to the next round was Ghana. This is the
> team the guy claims are not in the best 10 footballing nations in Africa.
> 
> Egypt Sucks and they know that


I did see the argument you had with some North African guy.  I'm not
African, and I couldn't care less if you guys decide to engage in a
mudslinging combat on whether the North African teams are better than
the other African teams or not.  What I do believe in is giving credit
where credit is due, and appreciating good soccer when I see it.  What
I object to is the Eurocentric notion that any soccer coming out of
Africa or Asia is by default lame, and any brilliant performance by
such a team is "lucky" or "destructive."

Tunisia played very well in 1978, and gave Germany quite a scare.
Algeria embarrassed Germany in 1982, and was cheated out of advancing
to the next round.  Morocco wrote history in 1986.  And we all know
about Cameroon's brilliant performance in 1990.  This was all in the
World Cup, a stage for all the world to see.  There are both North
African teams and Central African teams in this list (and it is easy
to extend the list by pointing to Zambia's performance at the last
Olympics), so any silly argument on which region performs better is
completely pointless.

To say that "Egypt sucks" and to downplay their performance in a game,
be it in the World Cup game against the Netherlands, or the victory
over Columbia in the Olympics, is just as narrow-minded as to claim
that "Ghana sucks" when they have played so well in recent years.
Mudslinging based on patriotic biases has no place in a forum that is
meant to discuss *soccer*.  Let's give credit where credit is due and
not reduce ourselves to wearing colored glasses, regardless what color
those glasses may be.


-- Shakil Ahmed
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P.O. Box 2158, Yale Station   BITNET  : ahmed-shakil@yalecs.bitnet
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From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FW: FIFA rule.....
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:18:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <9207212058.AA24045@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
|FIFA Circular Text :
|
|	"On any occasion when a player deliberately kicks the ball to his own
|	goalkeeper, the goalkeeper is not permitted to touch it with his
|	hands. If, however, the goalkeeper does touch the ball with his hands,
|	he shall be penalized by the award of an indirect free kick to be
|	taken by the opposing team from the place where the infringement
|	occurred, subject to the overiding conditions of Law XIII."
|
|========================================================
|If I understand this rule correctly, you can't ....
|
|1.  Kick the ball to the keeper (waiting outside the penalty box)from a 
|goal kick.
|2.  Kick the ball to the keeper (waiting outside the penalty box) from 
|a free kick.
|3.  Kick the ball to the keeper (inside the penalty box) from a free 
|kick in or out of the penalty box.
|4.  Any other possibilities?

Of course not - kicking the ball to the keeper is kicking the ball to
the keeper. Why break it up into different ways to kick it to the keeper?
That part of the rule seems the most obvious part. The tricky part is
going to be deciding whether it is a kick or not, or whether deliberate
or not.
|
|Basically the only way the keeper is going to be able to touch the ball 
|with his hands is from a shot, attacking pass or deflection.

I think we've discussed all the ways of getting the ball back with other
parts of the body - whether they can be done in practice remians to be
seen (and could be quite fun to watch!).

|
|One poster said that he (as a keeper) hoped to see more action as a 
|result.  If you take away all the above plays, he may see even *less* play.

I think keepers will get very frustrated at not getting their usual
"early feel of the ball", or if in a team dominating a match, might get
totally bored altogether. At least before his team mates could wake him
up occassionally with a back pass!

|
|I was going to provide examples but why bother, the rule seems to be 
|very straight forward, and require no or little interpretation.
|
|Earlier comments by posters, I believe, did not look at the *full 
|scope* of the issue.  Posters have been so quick to point out examples 
|where the ball is being brought towards the goal.  I have yet to see 
|postings that look at the other ramification from this rule.
|

Hang on, one minute you're saying the rule requires little or no
interpretation, and the next you want us to look at the full scope and
other ramifications of the rule - make you mind up!
I'm sure we've analysed this as much as possible without seeing it in
action. But I suppose if you want to suggest 10 ways how not to kick the
ball to the keeper, there are indeed endless possibilities.....:-)
(Apologies for the sarcasm if you don't like it).

my latest 2p worth

gordon
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: rec-sport-soccer gateway problem
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:30:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Could whoever is running the gateway try to fix it so that r.s.s.
postings don't get bounced back to the poster when there's problems in
reaching one of the list members. It's rather strange to get a bounce
message from a post instead of an email, and could be very confusing to
anyone who didn't know that r.s.s was gatewayed with a mailing list!

For the record, the bounce is recorded below.

Ob. footie content: all the UK papers seem to be in agreement that
Spurs will sign Teddy Sherringham from Forest for about #2.1M

Thanks,
Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***

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From: craa83@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: hooligans
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:11:46 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

The person who was talking about the americans book on soccer violence 
should Arsenal Boys or Bloody Casuals for a better insight into violence 
and why people do it .These authors actually took part in violence rather than 
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From: sphorace@sdrc.COM (Horacio Recalde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Paraguay vs Sweden  Result
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:35:28 GMT
Organization: SDRC, Cincinnati

I just know the final result.  I could not watch the game :( :(

Paraguay 0	Sweden 0

Horacio
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Soccer stamp....
Date: 24 Jul 1992 23:28:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Many of you may not be aware of this, but the US Fed approved the 
stamping of an *official* World Cup coin to commemorate the US WC.

I also understand that there will be a competition for ideas on what to 
place on that coin.

I have been contemplating some ideas, however, if everyone here is 
willing, we could come up with some ideas and submit them on the behalf 
of US soccer and Rec-Sport-Soccer!

Comments?

Francis.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: nbc - olympics
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:18:45 GMT

Colin Morris writes:
>Garry Archer writes:

>>The only "soccer" coverage I saw in the 1988 Olympics on Yankee TV (was it
>>ABC's coverage then?) was that the cameras panned the crowd at half-time
>>of the Gold Medal match.  Perhaps NBC will screw us similarly?  :-(

>Naah, panning the crowd is far too much soccer to show an American
>audience. After all, all soccer fans, by definition, are hooligans.
>You wouldn't want to subject the U.S. to hooligans would you?

We've already gotten all the soccer coverage that we can handle.  Didn't
you see the soccer logo during the opening credits?  :-(
--
Kevin Schnitzius
kschnitzius@encore.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jussi@lut.fi (Jussi Salminen)
Subject: Finnish League, 19th round
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:06:38 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


	Finnish League, 19th round, 26th July:


FC Haka		4-4	FC Jazz		(2-3)		2 131
18. Kai Nyyssonen	14. Luis Antonio
39. Juha Lahtinen	42. Rami Nieminen
50. Lahtinen		45. Saku Laaksonen
57. Jussi Nuorela	51. own goal

Jaro		0-0	HJK				3 116

KuPS		4-1	FC Ilves	(2-1)		1 352
25. Markus Rasanen	13. Mika Halmetniemi
38. Harri Ylonen
63. Jouni Rasanen
77. Valeri Broshin

MP		1-3	FC Kuusysi	(1-2)		1 215
44. Juha Karvinen	28. Kimmo Tarkkio
			37. Petri Jarvinen
			90. Jarvinen

RoPS		3-0	FC Oulu		(1-0)		1 507
 3. Tapio Kesalahti
48. Stuart Beards
86. Beards

TPS		0-2	MyPa		(0-2)		2 389
			 7. Mauri Keskitalo
			 9. Jukka Turunen


Table:
                             GP    W   T   L    GF     GA     PTS

 1.  FC Jazz (Pori)          19   11   6   2    37     23      39
 2.  FC Kuusysi (Lahti)      19   11   2   6    33     20      35
 3.  HJK (Helsinki)          19   10   3   6    35     25      33
 4.  MyPa (Myllykoski)       19    8   7   4    30     15      31
 5.  TPS (Turku)             19    7   5   7    21     18      26
 6.  Jaro (Pietarsaari)      19    7   5   7    23     22      26
 7.  FC Haka (Valkeakoski)   19    7   5   7    21     25      26
 8.  FC Ilves (Tampere)      19    7   3   9    27     29      24
 9.  RoPS (Rovaniemi)        19    7   3   9    24     29      24
10.  KuPS (Kuopio)           19    5   4  10    22     32      19
----------------------------------------------------------------------
11.  FC Oulu                 19    5   3  11    21     38      18
======================================================================
12.  MP (Mikkeli)            19    5   2  12    15     33      17


Top goalscorers:

17: Ismo Lius (HJK)
13: Luis Antonio (FC Jazz)
10: Jukka Turunen (MyPa)
 9: Ari Hjelm (FC Ilves) and Kimmo Tarkkio (FC Kuusysi)
 8: Saku Laaksonen (FC Jazz)
 7: Jari Litmanen (MyPa) and Marko Rajamaki (TPS)


	Next matches: 29th July MyPa-RoPS
		      30th July HJK-MP, FC Ilves-Jaro, FC Jazz-TPS,
			        FC Kuusysi-KuPS, FC Oulu-FC Haka
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: English Transfers
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:12:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul23.134815.3605@axion.bt.co.uk> croberts@axion.bt.co.uk (Chris Roberts) writes:
>In article <682@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
>|> In article <0095DFB3.4CDED620@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:
>|> >I can add 
>|> >David Lowe Ipswich to Leicester 200,000 (+ 50,000 after so many appearances)
>|> 
>|> NO! S*dding b*llocks! Mind you, it could have been worse (i.e. Chris Kiwomya
>|> to Liverpool). Did this one go to a tribunal?
>
>What's this, an Ipswich bashing session? David Lowe was valued in the
>500,000+ bracket prior to his injury last year - so 250,000 seems a
>reasonable price now he has recovered but can't get back in the team.
>
>And Chris Kiwomya was the leading scorer for the 2nd Division Champs
>last year - not bad for a 21 (*) year old. 
>

I think you're mistaken on this being Ipswich bashing, Chris.  Were I to hazard
a guess, I'd say that Martyn was complaining about Lowe going to Leicester -at
any price-.  And that bad as it was, Kiwomya to Liverpool would've been worse.

-Bob                                       Bush/Quayle '92: Just say noe.
 moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: What the Dream Team Hopes to Prove
Date: 28 Jul 1992 09:17:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> I feel this "Dream Team" is going to be more an embarrassment than 
-> anything else.  I can only hope that they meet with some serious 
-> competition, otherwise, I'll skip the basketball games altogether.

They did yesterday, when they only won by 33.

-> What do they hope to prove with this?  We know how great these players 
-> are, why demonstrate it this way?  I think it's a travesty.

The NBA wants to expand into Europe.  FIBE wants a World Cup, with 
each league remaining within national boundaries.  By sending the best
of the NBA, the US is showing the world exactly how far behind they
are in basketball.  The hope is that it will show that any World Cup
will be a farce, and it is better for the Europeans if they permit 
NBA expansion into Europe.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: G62N000 <G62N@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: FIFA Goalkeeper restriction
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:18:32 GMT

In article <9207202302.AA09681@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>Response:
>So we're to assume that ID-free-kicks could be taken *inside* the penalty box?
>
>That's a bit scarry.
>

Indirect free kicks have always been possible inside the penalty area
For example, obstruction, keeper step rule, delay of game by keeper,
keeper picking up ball-releasing it-picking it up again, etc.

Paul O'Sullivan
<g62n@unb.ca>
LIVERPOOL F.C.
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Olympic Soccer--Standings
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:54:39 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Jul30.192413.5736@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>
>ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>I hope that the other African teams keeps Egypt out of USA '94.


You bet you won't see them in USA.
--
Francis A-Akoto             | csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi| Who the cap fits let
Department Of Comp. Science | csfraw@kielo.cs.uta.fi| them wear it . 
PL 607                      |                       |
33101 Tampere,Finland       |                       |         - Bob Marley
From: rob@cwi.nl (Rob van Rooijen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SOCCER: results group A (complete)
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:21:28 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

# = number of matches played
W = won
D = draw
L = lost
P = points
F = goals for
A = goals against


Group A
=======

Italy - United States  2-1
14. Melli 1-0
21. Albertini 2-0
65. Moore 2-1
Yellow cards: Verga, Baggio, Albertini (It), Allnutt (US)

Poland - Kuwait  2-0
 7. Juskowiak 1-0
80. Juskowiak 2-0
Yellow cards: Adamczyk, Juskowiak (Pol), Mohammad (Kuw)

                 # W D L  P   F A
                 ================
Poland           1 1 0 0  2   2-0
Italy            1 1 0 0  2   2-1
United States    1 0 0 1  0   1-2
Kuwait           1 0 0 1  0   0-2

remaining matches:

27-7  United States - Kuwait
27-7  Italy - Poland
29-7  United States - Poland
29-7  Italy - Kuwait
-- 

===============================================
Rob van Rooijen (rob@cwi.nl)
Library CWI  ++  Amsterdam  ++  The Netherlands
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