HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: Frodes reply
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:32:28 GMT

yes there is more then one way of harvisting seals (uthenasia is not that
dangeris tio people-not nearly as bad as pcp wich is used to traqualize
cows) thank you for following threw with my point. Greenpeace would rather
see a group of anamals suffer do to a total lake of prediters then to see
humens *gasp* hunt them and *dare one say it* use the animal for *my goodness
* food. There are people who beleave greenpeace in spit of commen sence.
In 10 grade biology my teacher used the seals that were ill and dieing as
an exsample of what polution does--after it was proven and anounced that they
were sick with canine distemper. probly contracted from a sick dog and the
serviving poulation whould be stroger for it as they would have an emunity
to the desiese. It is a tarable shame that it is so obviuse that we do not 
use our full brain capacity at times. we have all shown sines at times.
glass-> The energy neaded to remelt a peace of glass is a slight bit more
for one bottle it is not noticeably. this is because os the amount os serfice
area exposed to the heat. this property works for all things. It takes less
heat,time and energy to melt a stick of butter that has been cut into peaces.
if the glass ground up it will take the same amount of time/heat/energy as 
the sand but it is still nessasary to grind up the glass. to say that it 
takes the same energy for bolth there would have to be an equal enegy dif.
some were. /\e of remelting to first melt=/\e of trans.of sand to trans.of
glass.

ELF-KIN
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: seal hunters and green peace
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:04:46
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1992Aug23.145328.4509@news.uit.no>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: frodek@forit.forut.no's message of 23 Aug 92 14:53:28 GMT

> BTW. it was also proven that one of theese films was arranged
> by Greenpeace (killing seals just to get it taped...)

=o= While I've heard of less-than-wonderful stunts by Greenpeace
involving cute baby seals to drum up support, none of them comes
even close to this.  If you have this "proof" (and I'll bet that
you really actually don't), let's see it.
    <_Jym_>
From: Rodger_Madison@rand.ORG (Rodger Madison)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Greenpeace and other misconseptions
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:47:41 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California


How can you complain about Greenpeace's efforts to deceive people when you
make an outlandish statement like this?  In what way is the system out of
balance?  Probably because the population of other whales has been so far
depressed by hunting that the Minke is increasing to fill a near-vacant
ecological niche.  Why is 800,000 too many whales?  How does it compare to
historical (pre factory-ship hunting) populations?  I have more sympathy
for Greenpeace now rather that less after seeing how the whale industry
and its apologists try to distort public perception.

     Rodger

In article <1992Aug28.160105.27547@news.uit.no>, sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:

> harder to cash in the money if people knew that there were approximately
> 800.000 minke whales swimming around out there, and that this continously
> increasing number helps to bring the ecological system a little bit
> further out of balance.              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> 
> Regards, Svein-Ivar
> 
> -a whale a day,
>  keeps the doctor away
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug)
Subject: Re: Greenpeace and other misconseptions
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.185236.9358@nynexst.com> gittel@nynexst.com (Kathleen Gittel) writes:
>I find the whole svein tar communication odd. The "scientific expedition" he refers to is
>actually a cover for hunting meat and eating it.

Kathy, I posted a summary of a discussion which had been going on in
another newsgroup, telling a little bit about the ongoing research on
the ecological system in the sea in general, and on those minke whales
in particular.

On which reasons can you say that "the scientific expedition I refered
to is actually a cover for hunting meat and eating it"? Give us some
facts and not just a silly allegation.

>But as a member of Greenpeace, I find him so invalid, that I decided to
post.

You can not say that you find me "so invalid" without arguing why.
The posting you refered to was an informative posting. You can not say
that something is invalid just because Greenpeace has told you. Be
critical and make your own opinion.


>Anyway, persons like svein tar who actually post to an ecology group are usually people
>who are unconcerned about the topic and are looking for an forum to p*ss people off--a flamer
>type whom I probably should have ignored.

Svein-Ivar Lillehaug is a responsible person who do concern about the
environment. He grew up between clean sea, white mountains, green
forests and with fresh air. He learned that the cows prefered to be
out eating grass, that the meat is not wraped in plastic, that if a
fish is small - then you take it carefully of the hook at put it
carefully out in the sea/river, that you pick up your garbage, that
all the small pieces in the ecological system are dependent on each
other in some way, and that the nature was something to enjoy, treat
well and harvest.

Svein-Ivar Lillehaug has later experienced that there are a lot of
people out there who has not been as lucky as he was. They did not
get to know what nature was. Instead of trying to discover the nature
and it's complicated ecological system, they do it the fast way. They
pay money to Greenpeace and get their literature. They follow Greenpeace
and demonstrates against something that they do not know anything
about except for what they were told by Greenpeace. In this way they
feel that they have done something to save the earth. Maybe they get
a better conscience (after the chiken they ate for dinner), too.

After this I have to say that Greenpeace does also have some nice
things on their program, too. 



Regards, Svein-Ivar

Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 06:12:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

daniel@laplace.sscnet.ucla.edu (Daniel Schulman) writes:

>Instead of just flaming the guy who originally posted this article, maybe people
>should take issue with some of the things he says.  For example, while I think
>the connection between carbs and recycling is stretched, there still is the
>question of the effectiveness of recycling.  Perhaps we should ask if the sense
>of empowerment and that something is getting done that people receive from
>recycling detracts pressure and attention away from resource reduction.  Maybe we
>should question what gets recycled?   Why should we tug around heavy newspapers
>to be recycled while tossing the heavy metals in batteries into landfills.


Yep. I think this is an excellent point. I try and be aware of what I
purchase and how much packaging it has. If it's too much, I won't 
buy it. I also think about what I consume. For instance, if I have a
choice between using a glass mug vs. a paper cup, I will use the
glass mug. One of the places I eat lunch has these stirofoam (sp?)
plates and it always bugged me to have to use them. Once I tried to use 
a napkin instead but the person at the register said this wouldn't do
because s/he had to weight the sandwich and the flimsy napkin made it
difficult to do this. So, I finally came up with a simple solution. I
took one of these plates and use the same one every time I get a 
sandwich there. :)

So when I go to buy or use something, I think about how I will be able
to recycle or re-use it. 


>While all else being equal, I think people should recycle (which I do), but is is
>an intermediary attempt at a solution at best.

I would say it's *part* of the solution.


-lile
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:17:52 EDT
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Wanted Lyrics for Seal's Crazy

     that thing there ::::::::::::::::
Andrew
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: John Massari's Music on network special!
Summary: John Massari's music on multi-network special!
Keywords: music, synth, composer, genius, Massari
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:54:47 GMT

Attention and Alert!

To Music-Lovers everywhere, concerning the further sonic
adventures of one John Massari - who is a lookalike for his
hero-figure Frank Zappa, along with sharing a kindred spirit,
idealism, moustache, and nose.  To wit:

JOHN MASSARI, who co-starred as a Musical Genius (against his
protests, and under the pseudonym of "Steve Shostakovich") in
the critically-rave-reviewed action-comedy-adventure-special-
effects-laden fantasy and satire-on-Hollywood-and-the-System
feature film <gasp>, "The Wizard of Speed and Time" - and who
contributed much of the movie's music score - will once again
grace the airwaves of the entire North American Continent with
his most recent work, in:

      "SCARED SILENT - Exposing and Ending Child Abuse"
                 - Hosted by Oprah Winfrey -

A nation-wide simulcast Television Premiere, airing this Friday,
September 4, 1992, 10pm (9pm central), on CBS, NBC, _and_ PBS
- with an encore presentation on ABC, Sunday, September 6, 1992,
10pm (9pm central)!  This is the first primetime non-news show
ever to be aired by three broadcast networks simultaneously!

    John Massari composed all music for this TV special
    John Massari conducted all music for this TV special
    John Massari produced all music for this TV special
    John Massari performed all music for this TV special*
    John is very happy with all music for this TV special

  * with special thanks to John's friends, pianist Neil Posner
    and recording engineer Avi Hochberg.

Any immodesty in the above is due to the immense pride of this
note-poster.  John is the Prince of Humility :]

[Note 1:  the show's Executive Producer and Writer, Arnold
Shapiro, is _not_ connected with Shapiro-Glickenhaus Ent -
the corp >:p that is currently misdistributing our film, and
doing so without my authorization]

[Note 2:  info appreciated on Mr Z's mailing address, so I can
send him a free VHS of the movie he almost invested in - and
sagaciously did not]

[Note 3:  200 pardons if this is the wrong Newsgroup - I'm new
to the Net, just tapping all these keys & hoping for the best]


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Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Advice on getting into computer music wanted
From: sp_pm@space.alcbel.be (Paul Moore)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:24:23 +0200
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Hello,

I'm looking for advice on getting started with the use of computers with music. I'm interested specifically in the following:
  - musical notation entry for writing and printing music scores
  - sampling and controlling keyboard instruments using MIDI

My hardware is a ISC-2.2.1 UNIX-based 386 box, and a dot matrix printer. I also have access to the DOS world via VP/ix.

Can someone offer advice on the following:
  - extra hardware that I need (for the MIDI interface, I suppose)?
  - software, either public domain or commercial, and either UNIX or DOS?
  - books on the subject?

I apologise if this request sounds like a catch-all, but I am a complete beginner to the field of electronic music. Alternatively, is this stuff covered by a FAQ?

Please email responses, as I don't have a News feed. I'll summarise responses, if there is sufficient interest.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

- Paul

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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Subject: Re: BSD pascal and cobol compilers?
Keywords: bsd,cobol,pascal,compile,386bds,linux
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:12:35 GMT

In <BtM2w3.Kn8@do.raet.nl> rdekker@do.raet.nl (R. Dekker) writes:

>In article <jsaker.714794442@cwis> jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) writes:
>>As I'm a long distance call away from my school's dialups and am
>>taking both Cobol and Pascal this semester

>For Cobol you should use the Mbp Cobol Compiler, one of the best Native Code
>Generators you can get.
>Good luck with your semester !
>-- 


How muchi is it???
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Calling C from Cobol and vs versa.
From: jules@vuw.ac.nz (Julian Anderson)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:57:25 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Contract Programmer, CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand

I am attempting to add a fancy graphical interface to a cobol program
(for reasons that are to obtuse to go into), using Microsoft Cobol and
Microsoft C (ver 7). I am reasonably proficient in both languages, but am
still having some problems. Has anyone else tried this and succeeded?
Anyone like to offer me some hints? I will post a sumary if it is
usefull.

	Jules
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      .Wellington.NZ   | the house.'                         - Lazarus Long.
From: alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: help with reading a file from disk
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:40:30 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

In <1992Aug27.142527.2946@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> p2003740@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Paul [Gwon-Seung]) writes:

>Could someone please help me with a small problem I have?
>The problem is I don't know how to select a file on disk and use it to be read
>by my cobol program.

>Since I am new to COBOL, I don't know much about it and need some help.

>I have assigned the input device to disk, but how can I select a file named
>rental.fle and use the contents of the file for input?

>Here is what I have done so far:
>       PROGRAM-ID.      MPG PROJECT.
>       
>       ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
>       CONFIGURATION SECTION.
>       SOURCE-COMPUTER.      ANY PC COMPATIBLE.
>       OBJECT-COMPUTER.      ANY PC COMPATIBLE.
>       
>       INPUT-OUTPUT SECTION.
> 
>       FILE-CONTROL.
>           SELECT CUSTOMER-FILE
>                 ASSIGN TO DISK.
>           SELECT CUSTOMER-OUTPUT-FILE
>                 ASSIGN TO PRINTER.

   ....  rest of program deleted .....

It would help a great deal if you told us what computer, operating
system and COBOL compiler you are using.  The answer to your
question is in the definition of the ASSIGN clause of the
select statement (which is defined by the compiler implementor) and
possibly any extentions to the standard FD definition.

For example, which an old (circa 1984) version of MicroSoft COBOL
one would write the following:

    SELECT CUSTOMER-FILE ASSIGN TO DISK
           ORGANIZATION IS SEQUENTIAL
           ACCESS MODE  IS SEQUENTIAL
           FILE STATUS IS CUST-STATUS-CODE.

    FD    CUSTOMER-FILE
          LABEL RECORDS ARE STANDARD
          VALUE OF FILE-ID IS "DISKFILE.DAT"
          RECORD CONTAINS 100 CHARACTERS
          DATA RECORD IS CUSTOMER-REC.

    01    CUSTOMER-REC.
          05  FILLER      PIC X(100).

Note: The "VALUE OF" clause in the FD is an non-standard extention
      to the FD clause.

I hope this helps.

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From: dhetheri@digi.lonestar.org (Dave Hetherington)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Public Domain COBOL Package
Keywords: COBOL
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:41:14 GMT
Organization: none

A couple of friends of mine who work with business applications expressed an 
interest in learning COBOL. I found a public domain version "COBOL650.ZIP" 
on UUNET. The compiler seems to work and looks as if it generates p-code. 
I believe the interpreter is in the included library "COBOL650.LIB". 
The linker for this package is missing.  Just for grins I tried the Turbo-C 
linker with the expected failure results.  The author of this package claims 
to be dying of AIDS.

      1) Can someone send me the linker for this package or maybe the
         complete package? The author claims the source has been posted
         to the "AV-SYNC BBS" in Atlanta, Georgia. 

      2) Has anyone used this package or a previous version? Is it reliable
         and really ANSI compliant?


-- 

Dave Hetherington                      
dhetheri@digi.lonestar.org
From: Jim.Lawless@drbbs.omahug.org (Jim Lawless)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: The Inevitable Question
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:07:10 CST
Reply-To: jim.lawless@drbbs.omahug.org
Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha
Followup-To: alt.cobol

I've been reading this thread and wondering how history can keep repeating
itself. I often see my-programming-language-is-better-than-yours threads
and wish I had a nickel for each one I've read. The people involved in the
discussions seem to put an awful lot of stock into the language itself,
but I think that there are some issues that are being overlooked.
 
The first issue is that it is generally easy to learn the syntactic rules
for any given language in a relatively short time. The problem stems from
not properly understanding the language's philosophy and its strong
points.
 
The next issue that is heavily overlooked is that generally you don't have
bad programmers creating bad programs, you have bad designers designing
them. The translations from design to implementation are often quite
precise, but the original design (no matter what language it would be 
written) is found to be poor. 
 
....just my two cents
   Jim Lawless
From: jjd@necis.UUCP (Jeff DeSantis)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: help with reading a file from disk
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:55:36 GMT
Reply-To: jjd@necis.UUCP (Jeff DeSantis)
Organization: NEC Technologies, Inc., Boxborough, MA

In article <1992Aug27.142527.2946@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> p2003740@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Paul [Gwon-Seung]) writes:
>The problem is I don't know how to select a file on disk and use it to be read
>by my cobol program.
>
>I have assigned the input device to disk, but how can I select a file named
>rental.fle and use the contents of the file for input?
>
>Here is what I have done so far:
.
.
.
>       FILE-CONTROL.
>           SELECT CUSTOMER-FILE
>                 ASSIGN TO DISK.
.
.
.
>       FD  CUSTOMER-FILE
>           LABEL RECORDS STANDARD
>           DATA RECORD IS CUSTOMER-REC.
>       01  CUSTOMER-REC.
>           05 CUSTOMER-NAME                     PIC X(20).
>           05 MILES-DRIVEN                      PIC 9(3).
>           05 RENTAL-FEE                        PIC 99.

Depending on your COBOL implementation, you have at least two choices.

You may be able to specify the file name in the ASSIGN TO clause.
For example:
            SELECT CUSTOMER-FILE
        	    ASSIGN TO "RENTAL.FLE".

You may also be able to specify the file name in the value of identification
clause.  For example:
        FD  CUSTOMER-FILE
            LABEL RECORDS STANDARD
            VALUE OF IDENTIFICATION IS "RENTAL.FLE"
            DATA RECORD IS CUSTOMER-REC.
From: tony@iti.org (Anthony Skjellum)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Public Domain COBOL Package
Keywords: COBOL
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:34:32 GMT
Reply-To: tony@helios.llnl.gov

Please tell me as well.
- Tony

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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: rdekker@do.raet.nl (R. Dekker)
Subject: Re: BSD pascal and cobol compilers?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:09:39 GMT
Organization: RAET Decentrale Overheid, The Netherlands
Keywords: bsd,cobol,pascal,compile,386bds,linux

In article <jsaker.714794442@cwis> jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) writes:
>As I'm a long distance call away from my school's dialups and am
>taking both Cobol and Pascal this semester

For Cobol you should use the Mbp Cobol Compiler, one of the best Native Code
Generators you can get.
Good luck with your semester !
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From: psmith@convex.com (Presley Smith)
Subject: Re: Public Domain COBOL Package
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:51:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: COBOL
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

COBOL650.ZIP is available from multiple anonymous FTP sites including
128.252.135.4   It works and the linker used is the PC linker.  I've
written a couple of programs with it.  I've never tried to link 
multiple subroutines together or tried to use an assembly language 
subroutine or tried the keyed file access...

I've got one 2000 line program that I use weekly written with it that
works fine.  

Good luck. 
Newsgroups: alt.cobol