HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (bongo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Rabid Deadheads
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:02:07 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon

In article <1992Nov7.213858.18677@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com writes:
>[...]
>have been
>attacked since day one for having contrary opinions. 
>[...]
>Pranksters have and continue to be considered too dangerous to
>be allowed to exist in the public eye.	
>[...]
>people take this Deadhead thing and rec.music.gdead so seriously
>that when a contrary opinion threatens their group hallucination,
>they will use all weapons at their disposal to eliminate it.
>when that fails they simply set up their own secret Mailing Lists
>where they can censor your radical views from effecting their 
>illusions.
>
>be careful when you threaten someone's religion, they will either
>burn you at the stake or crucify you.  and unfortunately, religion
>is just what being a Deadhead has become.

And on and on and on...

Quite seriously Steve, has the thought ever entered your mind that
perhaps it is *you* who is taking all this shit way too seriously?

I can't help but feel that you are absurdly overglamorising the role 
you play. Seemingly every post of yours I read accuses me of delusion,
hypocracy, and denial, and frankly Steve, you don't know anything about
me, even though we've met a couple of times. I don't think I have an
awful lot of illusions about the Grateful Dead anymore, although I
certainly still enjoy seeing them, and occasionally talking about
their music.  I *don't* enjoy trying to have a conversation with
somebody while some self-appointed karma jester and denial detector
keeps injecting "Fruitbat! Fruitbat! Worship the holy Fruitbat!" and
then accuses me of censorship and denial if I consider this contribution
to be noise with respect to the conversation.

I really don't understand *why* setting out to prove that people have
buttons which can be pushed is such a huge part of your net persona, when
most people agree that you don't behave that way in person. I'm not sure I
really *care* why it is. I just wanted to tell you that some people can
find your provocations tedious and disruptive even without sheltering some 
grand illusions or religious tenets they must support at all costs.

But I'm sure you know best, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if this
post of mine reveals something laughably horrible about the frailties
of my human soul. I am so unspeakably ashamed...

Sometimes the Jester is best served by looking within more than without,
and making peace there. If you perceive a lack of peace in those around
you, I suggest that kindness can go a lot futher than smug superiority.
But then again, I'm sure you know best. Lord knows *you're* certainly
free from delusions.

--bongo 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: geoff@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Geoff Wells)
Subject: Re: NET CENSORSHIP!
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:35:29 GMT

In article <1dea8eINNep8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

 ** Crap, Ranting and Raving Deleted


>[  ]  I feel Bill is right.  Your net access should be pulled for
>      posting such obnoxious rubbish.

>[  ]  I think Bill is a dweeb.  I think he should be publicly
>      rediculed for his silly views.

 [ X ]  other :  I think Joe Hack And Bruce Quag. are the same person!

Come on, lighten up a little.

Geoff
geoff@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Chris Stimac <stimac@eckerd.edu>
Subject: Pictures of Bear?
Reply-To: stimac@eckerd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:34:41 GMT

Are there any pictures of Bear (Owsley) out there?  I've never seen a photo of him in any of the literature (Book O'Dead, Book O'DeadHeads, etc...).  I was listening to some '69 tune up banter in which the boyz were having problems with their monitors (which seems to be the case on every other tape from that period) and I realized I had no clue as to what Bear looks like.  Isn't anybody else out there losing sleep over this? ;)
"Bear, I can't tell you how almost better that sounds..."
CRS
stimac@eckerd.edu
A fractal is a set whose Hausdorff dimension strictly exceeds its topological dimension.
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: ltgtr ?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:10:46 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Let The Good Times Roll !!!!

lara
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From: MAH2033@tntech.bitnet
Subject: How I got into the Dead
Reply-To: MAH2033@tntech.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:35:15 GMT

Hey all,
        I am a serious lurker, but I think now it is time for posting.
With all the negative energy out there, I felt the need to add in a little
of the good stuff.  This thread was being kicked around for a while, and
I thought I'd add my 0.02.
        I will start by saying that it is the net's fault that I am as far
into the Dead as I am.  During my undergrad experience, I went to a small
liberal arts college in SW Virginia (Roanoke).  There were many hardcore
deadheads there, but most were greek-heads from up north, and I wasn't into
that crowd (although I did have a few Dead albums.  I graduated and came here
to Tennessee, and that's where it happened.  I figured out the computer thing,
and found Dead Flames.  Here was a group of people with vastly different
ideas, jobs, musical tastes (even in terms of Dead tunes), and opinions, all
talking about the Grateful Dead.  I started to realize that the Dead really IS
much more than a band, and that it was something I wanted in on.  I think I
also had a radical reaction to the intense conservatism I have experienced
here.  This summer I saw my first show (Deer Creek)(Mail-ordered on FAQ
instructions) and started collecting tapes.  I loved most of the scene, and
now want MORE!!!!!! The point?  I just want to thank everyone out there for
giving me the little push I needed.

Thanks,
        Mark
From: reb@ingres.com (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Veneta refund *finally* arrives...
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:18:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Nov11.001822.5991
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet

Date: 9 Nov 92 19:06:15 GMT

|>   was, etc. Anyone else still waiting?
|        This is fine by me, and what I would have expected all along.
|My only question is, if they are only refunding tickets, what was
|the holdup in sending mine back, or yours, reb?  I don't really
|understand this, but have pretty much decided to let it pass.  If this
|happened a lot, though, I'd like to have a better understanding about
|why...
|
|Curious,
|
|Max

In my case  I sent back 12  tickets and had only bought   4.  Although
there was  a note in with  them they neglected to  read it and put  my
envelope aside.   When a friend  called and happened to ask  they told
him that there was a problem because I had sent back too many tickets,
then he said -- 'but  wait, there's a not here  explaining  it.  We'll
get him a  check right away.'   What the problem  was with your order,
Max, I  don't know.   It  seems  that  they got   a bit  confused when
something slightly out of the ordinary happened.   

For the rest of you, if you haven't gotten your refund yet, I'd call!

							reb
From: davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Dave Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: One DAGS's opinion
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:49:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Look, if these folks want to have a private mailing list for 
their own discussions, let them.  I think part of the reason
is to get away from the usenet mechanics that allow anyone
to post "Garcia Sucks" type postings.
If they want to have complicated membership requirements and
satanic initiation rites (no time like the present to spread
ugly rumors ;-) ), who cares?
I don't think it's worth our time discussing it.
However, since that fateful day when I discovered _nn_, signal
to noise ratios don't seem to bother me anymore.  So I can't speak
for those among you still stuck with vnews, or worse yet, digests.

Anybody have any good synchronicity stories?  I haven't seen that
thread since like '87.
Here's one - I went to see Hubert Sumlin the other day in NYC, and
this guy Harmonica Slim was hanging out in the audience.  I mentioned
to my friend Joe - "I wonder if Hubert will let Slim play tonight",
and just then Hubert called Slim up and they did a great Big Boss Man
(there's your ODC).  Slim sang the main line - "You ain't so big,
you just slim that's just about all".
-- 
Dave Fischer    davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell"
                                               - Edward Abbey
From: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Repeat Ticket Grovel
Summary: Cancel grovel
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:32:26 GMT
Reply-To: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA


Like the summary says, we got GA tix, which is fine with me...

Sorry to be so late in responding, but our newsfeed has been down while the
election backlog was being dealt with -- talk about bandwidth!

Anyway, thanks anyway...
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: Hey all..
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:56:55 GMT

In article <1du29sINNqtp@morrow.stanford.edu> EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara) writes:
>In article <m07ZTB1w164w@admiral.uucp>,
>drlecter@admiral.uucp (Ackbar Rajapurus) writes:
>>
>> Sorry to waste bandwidth.. but...
>>         I know there are alot of super collector\taper\demigods out
>>there.. I know of one who offered people with small collections to dub,
>>and charged only $4 for blanks.. I was wondering if anyone has a few
>>addresses of such traders or (how should i say it..) tape sellers? If you
>>have succesfully bought tapes from someone, drop me a line?
>>      and to save space, just mail me.. and no diatribes against the
>>evils of capitalism!
>  well, dr. lecter, will we be having you for dinner :):):9
>
>people shouldn't be selling the tapes, and you should not support
>them by purchasing them.  good traders/tapers frequently will simply
>trade you a blank for a show tape.  this is not a diatribe against
>capitalism, just a statement of what happens greater than 90% of the
>time.  $4 isn't much, but the principle of the issue is ... :)
>

heh heh... no law against flaming a net.goddess, is there?
I've said before that if you're going to get on someone for
buying Dead tapes it's only fair to offer to dub a couple for
him/her. Ain't that sensible?

Bill
>>
>>--
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>>The Admiral's Public UNIX - Greenwich, CT - System Administrator: Doug Fields
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>>>FREE!< Unix shell accounts, Usenet access, and Internet-style mail available
>
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From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Phosphor dots, eh?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:12:05 GMT

In article <1dpm4iINNsnm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

>Repeat after
>me.  These are not real people out here.  They are only phosphor dots
>on the screen in front of me.  Any resemblance to any real humans is
>only in your imagination.


This is where you and I diverge.  The value of this net is in the connections
made by real people.  I've seen a lot of damage done by people who pretend
it's nothing but ones and zeroes.

I think you're being disingenuous, anyway.  If you really think we're
nothing but phosphors on a screen, what would be the fun of provoking
us?

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (bongo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Revisiting the Dolby Nightmare (lightly technical)
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:04:15 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon


Richard Stern sez:
>
>Dolby *does* have problems with mistracking from deck to deck, but if
>you're recording and playing back on the same deck, and your deck is
>good, then you should be using dolby C (or at least dolby B). IMHO.
>
>Why do we have to go through this discussion at least twice every year??

I think the reason it keeps coming up is that deck to deck mistracking
*is* a non-trivial problem, and if most of our tape collection comes
from trading with others, most of our tapes will be played back on a 
different machine than they were recorded on. If you use Dolby, it's
a bit of a craps shoot that the two decks will align well.

I assume you've had better luck with your dragon than I've had with my
AIWA decks. Some of the Dolby dubs I receive sound just great. On others,
the cymbals, the edge to the rhythm guitar, and the presence of the vocals
gets crunched out with the hiss. To my ears that degrades the tape more
than the hiss does.

So I like the theory of Dolby, and will use it when making tapes for myself,
but have found it problematic in tape trading.

--bongo the dragon-less
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:13:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mattb@ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown) says:

>On a happier note, did you see that Deadhead extraordinaire Bill Walton
>was nominated for membership in the Basketball Hall of Fame?
>
>He would certainly be a shoe-in for the Deadhead Hall of Fame, if one
>existed.
>
>If not, should we create one? Any nominations?

This one is no contest....

1. Joe Hack - supreme net-god.
2. Bill Moore - vice net-god.
3. Barb Lewis - net goddess.
4. Lara - net phony.
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:Miserable netheads {)=+)..With nothing to do....
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:05:32 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Nov10.195945.26750@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com> writes:
 
> you think that's bad, you should threaten to expose there secret
> Mailing List where they sit around and say what DICKs and DACKs
> we are over here on rec.music.gdead/Dead-Flames.  that's right 
> kids, that's what the revered Elders think of you.

> Steve-TOO

Since I've got a lot of time with NOTHING to do, here goes:

Well, Steve, you are exactly on the mark here. And, of course, it only
reinforces the idea that we are all the same only in the sense that we are 
all sitting in judgement of each other. Nothing like realizing that you are in 
a hierarchical community after pretending that it isn't one! So "the" Elders 
and their reverence, or the status, revered or otherwise, of someone on this 
net mean a great deal ONLY those who want to perpetuate the "I was at Magoo's 
in '66 so piss off" mentality. And there are plenty of 'em around, just hang 
here or go to a show (as if I needed to tell you).

I didn't get in this to play that game, and I'm not in it to play it now.
And the more I hang around, the more fine people I seem to meet. You know,
Strangers Stoppin Strangers?

However, for others this is one damn fine power trip. (Power, not trip, is the
operative word here :( ) To you folks, I won't sit here and criticize you
because what works for some folks just don't work for other folks. And,
if turning people against one another is fun, so be it. Yes, as I said before,
rm.gdead IS very hypocritical. By the same token, some of these people 
have a lot to add to the "Dead discourse." Pranks shoot that to hell. A reality
check is good every once in a while, but...living life to make pessimism an
art? 

In the last year or so, precious little "Dead discourse" has evolved. Maybe it 
is because not to many people here have anything to say, or maybe its because 
everytime we get off a flame war someone else starts one. Try talking about 
something in between (the most recent fun) 10 "I hate Joe Hack" or 
"F*ck You All" posts.  

Well that's all I have to say, and folks, if you really need to make
a netlife out of 

1) Showing people their faults/hypocrisy
2) Showing people how much higher you are on the ladder than they are

then enjoy rm.gdead, 'cause you can have it. 
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The rest of us will move on to something else, and really, we'll make it just
fine (thanx for the concern). You know why? 'Cause like Todd said


                   IT DOESN'T MATTER, ANYWAY




Nothing like doing nothing when you've got nothing to do.....:)


!eric!


p.s. :)

Take heart, folks, there's always REC.NUDE !  :) :) :) :) :)
From: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: let's call off the witch hunt, shall we?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:58:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thismoment.corp.sun.com
Keywords: Wheel

Let's try to keep this Wheel thing in perspective, folks.  Quite 
a few of the members have continued to be excellent and valued 
contributors to rec.music.gdead.  Having met several of them, I 
would find it hard to believe that *all* of the members actively 
participated in or even supported the kinds of ugly communication 
that Joe Doheny describes in explaining why he resigned from and 
revealed the existence of the Wheel.  I'd also find it hard to 
believe that the nasty tone of the letter from a Wheel member in 
response to another member's resignation - the letter published
here with names removed by Steve (TOO) Jeck - is typical of the 
attitudes of all of the members (although knowing who the author 
of that letter was, it didn't seem all that out-of-character for 
that individual.)

What I'd like to suggest to those of you who aren't part of the 
Wheel and are maybe feeling resentful of the group because of the 
things you've read here is this:  try not to direct your resentment 
at this individual or that individual when you find out he or she 
was a member.  Nobody betrayed any of us by signing up for a 
mailing list in addition to or even instead of participating in 
this newsgroup.  Any betrayals which did occur happened later in
the process, and it's no more fair to hold Wheelie A responsible
for Wheelie B's actions than it would be to hold rec.music.gdead
participant X responsible for rec.music.gdead participant Y's 
actions.

If we non-Wheelies continue to direct such levels of hostility at
the members of the Wheel, how can we honestly expect any of them to
step forward to give their side of the story as many of us have
asked them to?  

One more thing that would be of value to everyone on both sides of
this is if we put ourselves in the other person's place.  Wheelies,
how would you feel to discover that people who you thought were
your friends were cataloguing your faults among themselves in order
to exclude you from their important social group?  Non-wheelies,
how would you feel if you joined a group of people for intimate
discussions of not just the Dead but other aspects of life and
grew to enjoy the discussions and the company of the group, but
became saddened by the manner in which the group decided to keep 
itself small enough to preserve that enjoyable intimacy?  I think
if all of us can take an imaginary stroll in the other guy's or
gal's moccasins, maybe we can let go of some of the enmity.  I 
urge everyone who cares one way or the other to give it a try.

cheers,
Duane
From: stewahd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: re: Are you bummed NYE?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:08:51 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Hey.

   Yes, I am bummed.  I live on the east coast, and made the trip last
year on a miracle.  I had a blast hanging out, great karma flowing
free.  Saved money, already with many friends to travel to Oakland for
New Years, and find that there will not be one.  I want to make the
Denver or Arizona but no one wants to miss that much school before
finals.  I personally thought that last nye run were four great shows.
Well I guess, here is waiting for spring tour :).

see ya
dean.

p.s. Nothing let to do but smile smile smile...:)

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From: karenr@geronimo.sps.mot.com (Karen Ramondetta)
Subject: Re: Compton ticket scam???
Reply-To: karenr@geronimo.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:20:26 GMT

In article 6907@isc-br.isc-br.com, lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com (Lennie Carlberg) writes:

>  I don't know, but my friend was at an outlet at 2:00am and was the 3rd
> person in line and he couldn't get them either. There maybe be some scalping
> going on there, or possible radio station promotion. 
>
>Lennie

Must have been a mighty slow line.  In my line the 18th person got the last two
reserved seats.  Needless to say, being 75th in line, I got G.A... Personally I 
love general admission.  In reserved seating, one good spin and you'll be doin a 
head dive through a folding chair.  Life is much safer in general admission. 



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From: dwstein@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Donald Stein)
Subject: Re: peace, togetherness and U2
Organization: US WEST Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:20:50 GMT

I recently saw the U2 show at Mile High Stadium and was greatly
disappointed by the sound.  The mix was terrible. Vocals could only
be heard on the quiet tunes. Now stadiums are notorious for bad sound
but I've seen many Mile High shows over the last 20 years and this had
the worst sound. 

Don Stein
dwstein@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com
From: spies@eastrg2.cray.com (John Spies)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dancein' in the Streets sighting
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:35:45 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.



  Did anyone catch Americas Funniest People last night?  They had
the woman that originally recorded "Dancing In The Streets" (sorry, I
forgot her name), and they showed  homemade videos of the song people
had sent in. It was neat to see all the fun stuff people did with the
song, and it just make me think of the Dead. 

  Peace, and have fun at the upcoming shows.

                 JS


--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  Cray Research                     spies@eastrg2.cray.com   
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From: margm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Margaret Murray)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:52:15 GMT
Subject: internet
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead

Would you please sign up my friend Debbie to
the gdead internet list?  Her address is:
	debbieo@igc.com

Thanks,
Margaret
From: km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 10-31-92 Opinions
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:35:34 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I hadn't seen Jerry by himself in maybe 7 years,
but I thought that Melvin Seals was 
unbelievibly hot in the show.
Highlight of the show was Breadbox and
Shinging Star.
Ken 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock)
Subject: looking for Uncle John's Band (lyrics)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:57:49 GMT

Hey, I seem to recall that some popular song lyrics are available online
somewhere, but I lost the reference. I'm looking in particular for the
lyrics for Uncle John's Band...  (Sorry if this is a FAQ!)

Thanks for any pointers,

Mark Sandrock
-- 
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Net: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu    through self-conquest." --Noel Carroll
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