HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: For Sale
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:19:28 GMT


To Dave and all others posting to the wrong group in hopes of selling
    something, or whatever other reason:

Please Read the Welcome posts, the groups' charters are contained therein,
they will not eliminate all mistakes, but they do explain where to post what,
as well as they can.  The marketplace is for marketplace things, i.e. sale
or barter, Swappy says post there.  If you talk x-things in the wrong place
wear your asbestos suit when next you log in, because that one is not only
just as obvious, it is also very unloved by non-participants.

To old-timers who ought to know better.

My philosophy is if you gotta be an asshole do it via e-mail.  I know,
sometimes the need is great to be a public asshole, but it serves no good end.
Sometimes, a lot of new folk show up all at once who know no better, maybe
you wanna run 'em off, but nonetheless, general info posts should be polite.
If for no other reason, inflammatory posts are less likely to be read at all.
Most people (included myself) are inclined to ignore assholes.  I'm not
saying anything that isn't already in the general netiquette posts, and no,
Dale Carnegie doesn't pay me a commission.  Bob Kelly was right, and I've
sent many e-mail message myself in support of proper posting of for sale
stuff.  But he pissed me off, too, by being such a total jerk about it.
Look at it this way, anybody who is on the receiving end of such an attack
is gonna fight back, he/she isn't going to care who's right, just that they
were publicly attacked and that they need to defend themselves.  And then
you're bound to a moronic referee post like this one you're reading. So,
instead of one waste-of-bandwidth post you get maybe half a dozen, or more.
And isn't that a little counterproductive (unless of course you just like
conflict, in which case you should take it alt.fan.boxing or steroids, via
e-mail, please).

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"When you're an adult, it's no cliche, it's the truth"
   --- the Pursuit O' Happiness
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
............................................................

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From: good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:15:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.225504.22657@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.164801.5740@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.042508.25400@gdwest.gd.com>, good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
>>> 
>>> While I'm on the subject, I have to say that at least one good thing came
>>> out of the Crisis that (at least so far) has been permanent: scaling back
>>> Superman's powers.  
>
>Byrne et.al. did that post-Criso.
>

Yeah, but Man of Steel #1 came out very soon after Crisis ended (and no
other Superman books were released between the end of Crisis and the end of
MoS as I recall).
I had always thought that this implied that the new origin and power level 
were due to the Crisis.

-- 
David Good                                               good@gdwest.gd.com

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From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Jewish superheroes
Keywords: Young Gods
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The group referred to as "New Gods" in post 79454 is actually "Young Gods"
who first appeared in Thor circa issue 200.

				DN (sorry, no .sig) 
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From: eeb1@panix.com (Elizabeth Bartley)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:59:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul23.093319.1@skcla.monsanto.com>
jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>And Magneto/Magnus ISN'T.
>Just because his family was killed in a concentration camp doesn't mean he is
>jewish.  Six million jews were killed in concentration camps.  Twenty-five

No, but the combination of growing up in Auschwitz (his family didn't
make it that far, btw; they were shot somewhere along with a whole 
bunch of other people -- Magneto was sent to Auschwitz because the
soldiers were so amazed he'd survived) and living in Israel after the
Holocaust (and after his non-Jewish wife had left him and perhaps died)
is very suggestive.  In addition, in the story where Magneto's family
died (New Mutants around 50), Magneto's so overjoyed and amazed at the
countryside around him that he doesn't pay attention to the soldiers --
it suggests the Warsaw ghetto to me.

>million people in total were killed there, many of them gypsies, undesirables,
>poles, etc!  It's pretty darn well established that he is of gypsy stock.

Where?  Do you have any information besides the fact that Magda was?

>His wife (mother of Wanda and Pietro) was gypsy, as was much of the area around

Magda.  Yes.  This was made clear in the Vision and Scarlet Witch limited
series....  Are there other sources as well (I'm curious because ifso I'd
like to read them)? 

>Wundagore, where W&P were born.

I don't really think that has much to do with Magneto's race -- at that
point, Magda had fled from him (earlier enough that she wasn't visibly
pregnant) in terror of his powers.

>This is all circumstantial, but pretty solid.
>I'd have to check some old X-Men to see if there's any other corroborating
>evidence.  The stuff about him being in a concentration camp is getting kind of
>hard to swallow, as it would make him and Xavier at least 60.

>Then again, they've retconned the ages a number of times.

And changed them within the storyline.  Magneto was de-aged into babyhood
and rejuvenated nto the prime of life; Xavier's body is a clone.

--
Pro-Magneto   Anti-Louise Simonson                - E. Elizabeth Bartley

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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Titans #89
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:36:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Great Beyond

>In article <1992Jul19.122949.13740@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> rekle@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Rick Ekle (CompSci)) writes:
>>Metropolis = New York (that's pretty obvious)
>>Gotham City = I'm not positive but I get the impression it is Chicago.

Actually, I've always liked the theory that Metropolis was Manhattan,
while Gotham City was Queens and the Bronx.


Of course, any Superman trivia expert knows that, at least originally,
Metropolis was Cleveland.

-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Keywords: Reality, Gem, whereabouts, turkey, ham, cheese, killer-nazi-clowns
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:09:28 GMT

teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
>
>Infinity War:  This was a BAD idea.  

So, can I assume you're not looking forward to next summer's _Infinity Crusade_?
(The title may be incorrect, but I *did* read a Starlin interview where he said
that, once Marvel asked him to follow up _Infinity Gauntlet_, he began working
on the story as a trilogy:  Gauntlet, War, and Crusade.)

***gLITTOfERN*** glitto@iastate.edu
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From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: <None>
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:48:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul22.042508.25400@gdwest.gd.com>, good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
> 
> While I'm on the subject, I have to say that at least one good thing came
> out of the Crisis that (at least so far) has been permanent: scaling back
> Superman's powers.  Before the Crisis, the few Superman stories I read
> were pretty lame.  After all, when a character can do _anything_, it's 
> hard to come up with challenging situations for him.  I think something
> as major as the Crisis in order to do this without it being un-done a
> few months later.  Maybe the Crisis wasn't quite so bad after all...
> -- 


        Speaking of rectcons (Crisis or otherwise) how are explainations for
recharacterizatins like Shade the Changing Man, Animal Man, and others
handeled?  How did their previous continuity fit in to the new post-Crisis
universe.  Example: "Old" Shade appeared in Suicide Squad not less than a year 
before "New" Shade hit the comic stands?  I love Shade as it is now, but I 
can't figure out how the change happened.  And Animal Man?  He was a member of 
the Forgotten Heroes previous to the Crisis, but afterward, nothing.  I haven't
followed his book closely, so maybe I missed it.  Also, what's the story on the 
Levitz/Bynre pocket universe thing with the Legion?  Was there a Superboy, or
not?  The Legion says there was, but where does he fit in?

        S H Y L O C K

   
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From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Green Arrow in Eclipso (was Re: Superman DIES?????????)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:49:34 GMT

About Green Arrow being an example of the "Mature Titles" being involved in
crossovers--

Ah ha, but you forgot- in a few short months (might be next month, now I come
to think about it) GA will _no longer_ be a mature title!

(Yeah, I'm worried about this too.

jonathan.
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Victor VonDoom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Reality Gem.
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:24:23 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

There have been hints that Warlock gave the last gem to some powerful
Marvel character, and that his decision was less than rational cuz
he had unconsciously expelled all good and evil from himself before
he made his decision. It seems that the identity of this character is
supposed to *shock* and surprise the readers. Well, the one character
I can think of who is big enough that most Marvel readers would 
recognize him is the Beyonder/Molecule Man team. They haven't been
around since FF #319, and I think I saw them in a panel in a recent
issue of Quasar where he is looking in at different realities at
different times or something goofy like that. Of course the Beyonder
and Molecule Man were supposed to become one being and lose their
individuality in that FF issue, but I am sure that is merely an
insignificant detail!


   
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From: birmingh@fnala.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: DC: Peter David on Aquaman
Organization: Huh?
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:49:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnala.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <62883@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> I have it on good authority that Peter David's first issue of Aquaman is
> #14.  Previously it was #13 but it was pushed back an issue.
> 
> PAD

         Sheah, right. You're the same guy who told us he was dead.

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: DC: Wonder Woman #66
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:29:41 GMT

In article <21JUL199215133142@rigel.tamu.edu> a0v6282@rigel.tamu.edu (Art Velasquez) writes:
>     jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) writes...
>>Dani Zweig (dani@netcom.com) writes:
>> 
>>                                          Jill Thompson has tagged out to
>>let Paris Cullins play for a while.  I'm afraid Diana's down for the count
>>around these parts.)
>> 
>
>     *sigh*  Does this mean Jill Thompson's not coming back?  :-(

Right now, Jill Thompson is doing art for a _Sandman_ short story. It had been my
understanding that she'd be back after that.

*****GlittoFern***    glitto@iastate.edu
----working on a signature----
From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Give Galactus "HIS" due
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:49:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <l7ghu5INNaqe@male.EBay.Sun.COM> thor@eb5ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Vaughn Rhoades) writes:

>	I agree with you that the Galactus character has been weakened
>	considerably, and the simple solution is to have Lee/Kirby do
>	a story that brings Galactus back into perspective in the Marvel
>	Universe as the number #1 BAD ASS!!!

Can you see it? Galactus, in a new costume (forget those ridiculous colors
and that stupid pair of antenna on his helmet... Give him some black leather,
chains, and hair on his chest), crossing over to make guest appearances
in three books a month, getting his own book, "GALACTUS, Bad Ass of the
Stars!!!" Die-cut hologram covers by Lee and Kirby (that's Jim Lee and
Fred Kirby (never heard of him? He's the up-and-coming hot artist these
days.  No, really, he's got his own tv commercial and he uses lots of
dynamic cross-hatching...)).

We can hope not...

Eddie Maise   gt5878b@cad.gatech.edu   Serving Donuts on Another Planet

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From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:18:34 GMT

In <l6rcv3INNfdi@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell) writes:

>In Nexus (soon to be revived by Dark Horse!), Judah ("Hammer of God") and 
>his father Dave are Jewish.

	Dave is not Jewish.  If he follows any religion at all, it hasn't
	been shown.
>
>--James Langdell 

"Beauty is the first test; there is no permanent place in the world for
 ugly mathematics."  -G.H. Hardy, in _A Mathematician's Apology_

-- 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: impact comics line
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:40:23 GMT

!mpact was getting too nauseatingly "green" for its own good anyway.  As long 
as they wrap up the Comet storyline before cancellation I'll be happy.

Does anyone out there think that the Red Triangle Circus Gang in Batman Returns
is a subtle dig at Red Circle Comics, the last line to use the !mpact heroes?
     Dave Van Domelen, actually owns some Archie and Red Circle Crusaders 
issues, so knew Comet would turn out to be an alien all the time
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From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole)
Subject: Re: JSA#1:BUY IT-spoilers
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:45:42 GMT

Chad on goerz@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas R Goerz) writes:

>Agreed, but Kara was JSA!!!  I believe she still remembers the Golden Age 
>Superman, too.  She did in her Secret Origins spot and mentioned being a copy
>of Superman last month in JLE!!!  Where does that leave the rest of the JSA ? 

I'm starting to think that there must be a fairly good untold story out
there in the DC Universe.  I believe that Kara was led to believe that
she was related to the Byrne-version of Superman.  This leaves her
Secret Origins tale fairly intact and makes sense of the comment in
JLE.

Robert Cole
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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: Peter David on Aquaman
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:17:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Great Beyond

Does anyone out there know when Peter David's first issue of Aquaman is?


-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: CBG Awards request?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:03:16 GMT

Could someone post the recent CBG awards?
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: Poor DVANDOM's .SIGS :( 
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:17:46 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University


>      Dave Van Domelen, doesn't know how to do sig files on this mainframe so 
> has to type EVERY DAMN SIG BY HAND so I hope you all appreciate them.  Hmph.

We do.  In fact I often could care less what you write, I just read your
.sig  (how's that for a complement!!!) :)

				wReam...

P.S.  Cheer up.  You're not the only one who doesn't know how to .sig,
not that I care!  After all one message is too limiting for my creativity
levels... (yeah. that's it. that's the ticket!)

Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:54:41 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LSH #33 -- spoilers

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 29-Jul-92 LSH #33 -- spoilers
levin6706@iscsvax.uni.ed (1637)

>     Finally, at least for an issue, they got Pearson of this book.  My vote
> is in for David A. Williams to take over permanantly.  Sprouse is another good
> choice, but I know he's going to be tied up over on LEGIONARES.  Willaims is
> exactly what this book needs, artistically speaking.  The faces, (oh those
> wonderful faces he draws) were extraordinary and the pacing was fantastic. 
> Just goes to show that an artist need not follow Giffen's layouts if that
> artist chooses not to.


Don't blame Pearson:  it may not have been his  fault that he had to
folow Giffen's panels.  The non-tracing of Giffen this issue may just
have beena fill-in also, and it will go back to the old way.  As far as
I know, Pearson is a newbie to the pros, and may have felt comp[elled by
Giffen to follow his format.  If so, this new person might have
adameantly said NO to doing it.  It might also be to promote his art
style for the new book (a fan letter:  I loved this guys art work!!  Are
you goin gto keep him on permanently??  I sure hope so!  reply:  no, but
you cansee him in our new book LEGIONNAIRES!!  starting soon!!)


michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: No more Terminator @ DH
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:19:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.172547.5479@eskimo.celestial.com> ntprlr@eskimo.celestial.com (NightProwler) writes:
>
>I just heard from a friend of mine at Dark Horse that they just lost 
>their contract for the Terminator series of books...everything is now
>going to DC.

	Now this is interesting.  I thought DH lost their Terminator license
to either Valient or Marvel.

>oh, and the artist who does the Terminator stuff refuses to work with
>DC, so go out and buy up all those back issues before they disappear,
>kiddies!

	I don't know about this one.  There are different artists working on
each of the Terminator limited series.  They were Chris Warner, Paul Gulacy,
Vince Giorrano (sp?), Bill Jaaska, and Jackson Guice on the last DH Terminator
series.  With the exception of Chris Warner, all the other artists have 
worked for DC in the past, in fact Giorrano is doing a 2 issues of Aquaman,
and Guice is the regular artist on one of the Superman books.  So what gives?



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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: DC Comics
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:15:42 GMT

In <26JUL199216324661@zeus.tamu.edu> ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity) writes:

>Direct all flames to:

>DC Comics
>1515 Avenue of the Americas
>New York, NY 10101

Did they change the address again: Last I knew it:

DC Comics, Inc.
1325 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY  10102

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: FLAMES: The Marketplace Flames
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:12:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


This is a letter in response to the whining idiots that continually
post for sale messages in rac (and I'm sure, soon to be rac.misc)
instead of putting them in marketplace.

I believe that if you are dumb enough to post in the wrong place, 
you are worthy of nothing but a really good flame.

And the poltroon who posted something about "rac" is charterless
is full-of-it.  RAC is still rec.arts.comics until Sept. 30 and 
rac.marketplace exists specifically for "For Sale" messages.

Take your shit-house law back to the shit-house.

I personally believe we should flame the fuck out of them until they 
stop.  


-------------------------------------------------------------------


"Oh, please..."

People who perform stupid actions should not expect to be treated nicely.

You should read what is going on in RAC -- namely flames galore because
stupid people post in wrong places -- before you post.  You rank among the
many idiots -- yes, I am calling you a jerk and an idiot -- who post to
RAC when they aren't supposed to.

Taking responsibility for your actions is a sign of a mature adult --
What you did was dumb.  RAC_MARKETPLACE exists for a reason, one which 
is fairly simple to understand by its name. 

You are not stupid--you can understand the word MARKETPLACE just fine, 
especially since you crossposted there.  Your action, on the other hand, 
was stupid and you are upset that you have been flamed.  Maybe you should 
have thought before you posted, and since you don't understand 
"netequette" yourself, maybe you should take responsibility for your 
actions and stop whining "Quit calling me 'jerk'."

Thanks for the lecture, but I refuse to feel guilty for responding 
crudely to a stupid action.  Nor do I feel I have to apologise.


Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: uk02700@mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:05:52 GMT
Distribution: na

     In Marvel, there's also:
     
     Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat
     Some woman who's appeared in the Hulk comics....
     And the new god who's from Israel is BrightSword.

Mushroom

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