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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:12:00 EDT
From:         SCHREINE%TWSUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Document delivery and journal cuts
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I am beginning to feel like I am harrassing this list regarding document
delivery so I apologize for MORE questions to all of you.

The latest twist at our institution is an idea on our Dean's part to tie
document delivery to journal cuts by making document delivery free to
faculty who agree to cut journal(s) in his/her area.

I am interested, in general, from institutions who have tied document
delivery to journals cuts or who plan to do so in the near future.
How do you handle the politics of this idea?  What role does your document
delivery system have in your decisions to cut journals?     How do you
involve the faculty in your combined document delivery/journal cut decisions?

Any help would be appreciated.

Rebecca Schreiner-Robles, Head of Reference
Wichita State University
Bitnet:  Schreine@twsuvm
Phone:  316-689-3591
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From:         Conference=User%Admin%Libraries%vines.ColoState.EDU
              @Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      re: Inaugural Address FTP
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Sharon,

Try doing a cd etext/etext93.  I had problems the first time I tried just
etext93 also.

Jane Maurer, Lab Assistant
Library Technology Services
Morgan Library, CSU
jmaurer@vines.colostate.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:22:02 EDT
From:         SCHREINE%TWSUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Summary of CARL responses
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Seven institutions responded that they have had no problems with CARL.  All but
one of them use the Internet, not ports, to connect.  But even the one
institution that uses 4 individual ports has had no problems getting into
CARL UNCOVER2.  Also, these institutions reported no problems with CARL
delivering articles.

Rebecca Schreiner
Head of Reference
Wichita State University
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:13:48 EDT
From:         John Halliday <halliday%henson.cc.wwu.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------


On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Larry Schankman wrote:

> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
> I also agree that use of Internet can be helpful at the reference desk ...
>
However, we all know that, that's why we're on this discussion list! What
> I would rather comment on is the negative side of the coin: staff, and
> unfortunately, management _resentment_ towards those of us who *do* use
> the Internet for finding those same reference needs to which they would
> just assume, and eagerly so, decline to pursue (too obscure or too
> inconvenient).
>
> Though I shouldn't generalize, I have found among many fellow librarians
> not only an unwillingness and/or fear of emerging technologies and
> electronic sources of information, but even, as a defense, hostility towards
> those pesky *computer types* who perhaps pose a direct threat to their
> sense of security, if not their livelihood.
>
> I've also sensed from some a belief that perusal of the net is play
> time and not appropriate for official library time (which is why I
> usually do my networking at home or during lunch).

HEAR! Hear!

>
> Am I paranoid, or have others experienced the same?

No, you are not paranoid -- My director has pretty much pushed this
project over considerable opposition from my Department Head who feels I
should be doing more worthwhile things than playing on the Net.

Of course, I could also be paranoid ;-(

> P.S.  Sorry if I turn the discussion off track.

I believe this is the real discussion.  Right now, because we do have so
much to do, I count on our director to take the flack and to run
interference for me while I get on for 15 minutes in the morning to peruse
the mail, and then as necessary to sove reference requests.

James E Weaver, Reference Librarian
Whatcom County Library System
c/o halliday@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:04:51 EDT
From:         "Patricia M. Andersen" <pandersn%silver.sdsmt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Ref. librarians + the Internet
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Hi all

I've been reading this "thread" with great interest.  I've been on
the Internet about a year, with middle to great success.  It takes
time.  Everyone should be tolerent of the of fact that time is something
that librarians are often short of.  I have found that a half hour,
morning or night is the best solution.  If you can get away from things,
that's great, but often you have to use the resources at hand and that
can be right in the line of fire.  Don't set yourself up for a failure,
do it in small steps.  We don't expect our students to learn the library
in one short visit, why should we expect to use the Internet in a single
session?

I recommend that people get a copy of "The Whole Internet" by Ed Krol.
It has the tips, resources, glossary, etc. that people are asking for.
I have a copy sitting next to me, right now.  He writes in a friendly
fashion and manages to keep the "techno-speak" to a minimum.  Give it
a try, it might help some of the "newbies" get over that fear, loathing,
etc. that we are hearing so much about.

Patty Andersen
Head/Public Information Services
Devereaux Library, SDSM&T
pandersn@silver.sdsmt.edu
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:56:32 EDT
From:         zane_clark%csufresno.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Patent searching..Thany you!
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              "zane_clark%csufresno.edu@kentvm.kent.edu" at Jan 22, 93 11:27 pm

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Thank you to the many who answered my query concerning a source for
patent searching.  The overwhelming answer (which I should have
deduced myself) was Dialog.-

Zane Clark
Library Instruction Coordinator
California State University Fresno

zane_clark@csufresno.edu

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"Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without
 losing your temper or your self-confidence."
                                             Robert Frost
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:49:18 EDT
From:         San Francisco Public Library <cathyn@class.org>
Subject:      White House Internet Address

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Does anyone know Bill Clinton and Al Gore's Internet address?

Thanks in advance for any info. you can send me.

Cathy Nyhan
San Francisco Public Library
Cathyn@Class.org
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:07:23 EDT
From:         Ford Schmidt <fschmidt%jupiter.Willamette.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Tapeloaded Indexes
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

A while back I requested information/opinions about the advantages or
disadvantages of tapeloading UMI's Periodical Abstracts versus IAC's
Expanded Academic Index. Since almost everyone who responded asked for a
summary, I will ask the forebearance of all and provide a brief
recapitulation to the list.

Of about a dozen responses, eight actually offered opinions and provided
reasons for their decisions. Of these eight, six favored UMI's Periodical
Abstracts Online (PAO), and two favored IAC's Expanded Academic Index
(EAI). The main reason given for the decision to go either way was
actually the same--the academic content of the database.  Obviously,
people had differing opinions on which was more academic. Other reasons
for *not* going with IAC were a)questions about the quality of indexing,
b) documentation problems, and c)poor customer service. IAC's higher price
was also a concern.

Opinions were also expressed about options other than EAI or PAO, and
although I found them interesting, they weren't really relevant to my
concerns.

Our decision was to go with PAO. Although there were differences among us
as to which database was more academic, the final decision was that PAO
(we're getting the Research II version) had the edge. The disparity in
price was considered, but was not a deciding factor.

Much thanks to all who responded.

Ford
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:37:34 EDT
From:         bkatz%cosy.uoguelph.ca@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      copies to unive
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We do not use auditrons in the Library.  Instead we sell Vendacards to depts.
and to individuals.  We'll also issue receipts to any faculty who want to pay
cash for self-service copying so that they can be reinbursed from their dept.
petty cash fund.  Because the Vendacards for departmental use were a new and
convenient service, we've always had very positive feedback re their use from
faculty.  Faculty who do a great deal of copying will buy their own cards.
Bernard Katz, U of Guelph Library
              Guelph, Ontario
bkatz@cosy.uoguelph.ca
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:49:57 EDT
From:         Jim Olivetti <jolivett@capcon.net>
Subject:      Re:Reference via internet

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2 cents more from the woodwork:
        I think this discussion is very fruitful and lies at the heart of
many professionals' concerns as they consider investing scarce resources (both
time and $) in the Internet.
        Two thoughts:  It is interesting to me that Nancy Herrington cites
the excellent article in ONLINE, which focuses on accessing Dialog, OCLC etc.
on the Internet, while in the same day's messages Sharyn Ladner, describes
this focus as missing the point.  Is this a major advantage of the Internet
in reference or not?  I guess the jury's still  out.
        Sharyn Ladner talks about the networking of experts "people
resources" as the real reference motherload on the Internet.  I tend to
agree, but wonder when the newness of the  Internet wears off, whether or not
the electronic Rolodex will still be as fruitful as it is currently.
        Best wishes, Jim Olivetti, jolivett@capcon.net
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:23:46 EDT
From:         Diane Kovacs <DKOVACS@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Examples of questions answered via Internet
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The questions I've answered using Internet resources:
This afternoon: Latest weather report for Alaska with details.
                (used Hytelnet to connect to UofMi Weather Bulletin Service)
                I'm going to Bowling Green U this afternoon...do they have
                these books/journals we don't have? (telnetted to BGU)
In past:
I need Gaelic Language tapes.  (after exhausting print directories and
Internet library access to other libraries within driving distance and
other sources...I searched the archives of Gaelic-L@IRLEARN for the
keywords "learning" and "audio" to discover that there were lots of
Gaelic tapes but they all had Gaelic titles...telnetted to Cleveland
Public and found that they own almost all of those recommended by
Gaelic-L participants).

Has anyone done research on French or Spanish translation in journalism
instruction?  (after searching through MLA on CD, Humanities Index, etc.  I
sent an e-mail message to JOURNET@QUCDN.  The researcher received many messages
that clarified that no one knew of any but would be very interested to hear mor
about it. The researcher ended up writing an article on the topic).

There have been many times that connecting to an Internet library has solved
a bibliographic verification problem.  Many times I've searched the holdings
of an Internet library to verify that they own something so that the researcher
could travel there in confidence.

I've used Internet libraries to identify books in a subject area...eg.,
University of California libraries have a larger ethnmusicology collection
I search there by subject and generate a bibliography for graduate students
to Interlibrary Loan from.  In foreign languages we've searched German
and Swiss Libraries to identify needed titles that were not listed in
easily retrievable form from a U.S. library.

I've introduced many researchers (faculty and grad students) to general
e-mail based conferences in an area in which they are interested.  This
has proven valuable for several of them as an access point to current informati
on and focused discussions.

There are lots lots more...but I'm running out of clear memory.
Cheers!
Di
dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:33:41 EDT
From:         Nancy Garman <ngarman%well.sf.ca.us@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Patent Searching
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The December issue of DATABASE had a cover article on "The World
of Intellectual Property in Online and CD-ROM Databases" - included is
a great deal of information about where and how to find patent
information online.  A detailed table gives an alphabetical listing
of online patent databases; another lists CD-ROM patent databases.
Nancy Garman
Editor, ONLINE
606/331-6345
ngarman@well.sf.ca.us
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:11:27 EDT
From:         SKIRBY%KNOX.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Inaugural Address FTP
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The other day Mr. Hart wrote the following message:
>Project GUtenberg has posted Clinton's Inaugural Address.
>ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
>password you@your.machine
>cd etext93
>get clinton1.txt
>quit

I have tried this, and I have also done a DIR and there does not seem to be
a sub-directory at mrcnext... called etext93.

Has anyone downloaded this successfully?  If so what am I missing?

Thanks for any help

Sharon R. Clayton
Reference Librarian
Knox College
Galesburg, IL 61401
e mail;  SKIRBY@KNOX.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:52:26 EDT
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Subject:      reference via internet
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To conceptualize the Internet as another way to access databases, like
connecting to Dialog, BRS, Nexis, etc., is missing the point.  There
are certainly more user-friendly ways to search for information in
databases than via Internet protocols.  The most important feature
of the Internet for reference service, IMHO, is not the ability to
tap into databases, but to connect with other experts via tthe
computer lists like LIBREF-L or some of the more specialized lists
(MEDLIB-L, BUSLIB-L, CHMINF, etc.  I use the Internet to find answers
to questions I can't find in books and databases. This type of use,
of course, does not provide the patron with the answer on the
spot, like searching Dialog for a list of relevant citations on
a particular subject, but it does produce results within a day,
sometimes within several hours of posting.  The Internet connects
me with experts all over the world who I can call upon for help, and
who likewise can (and do) call upon me.  As reference librarians we
can't possibly know everything about everything, but I consider it part
of my job as a business librarian to identify and connect with a variety
of specialists (librarians and non-librarians) who can point me in the
right direction.  I consider the Internet my "electronic Rolodex" --
it connects me with people and resources I would never know about
otherwise -- and this is the theme of the article I wrote with
Hope Tillman (tillman@babson) for the January issue of _Online_.

Sharyn Ladner
Business Librarian
University of Miami (FL)
sladner@umiami.ir.miami.edu
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:33:33 EDT
From:         Alecia Devantier <34L4PCN@CMUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Central Michigan University
Subject:      Re: internet reference

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Greetings all-

I have been 'observing' for a long time, and I have a question.

I am a library science students, and I am very interested in internet.
My question is:

    Where do you locate places that have online information?  Is there
    a source these sources or what?

I would love to learn more, but I don't know where to begin.  Any information
anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated!
Alecia T. Devantier
34L4PCN@CMUVM

"A radioactive cat has eighteen half-lives!"
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:56:02 EDT
From:         Linda Fortney <LIBLINDA@MONTCOLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reference via internet
              26 Jan 1993 21:35:01 EDT from
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  Could you please spell out in words of one syllable, how one accesses
RLIN via internet?

   I am one of the confused but still game types.  I think I will take
someone's suggestion that I take a half hour a day and JUST DO IT--
It is the only way to learn it.

All hail to Kara Robinson and Diane Kovacs for their nice article
re Libref-L in Wilson Library Bulletin. (BTW, I am still real ticked
off at them over the Manley incident.)

Linda Fortney
Liblinda@montcola.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:32:27 EDT
From:         S_NATALE@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: White House Internet Address

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Concerning Cathy Nyhan's request for Bill Clinton's or Al Gore's Internet
address.

Here's one for the White House:


                          75300.3115@compuserve.com


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From:         DAVID ROBSON <E7C2ROB%TOWSONVX.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Patent searching
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Note:  LEXIS/NEXIS also offers simple patent searching.  Editor

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The simplest way I know to search patents is via
CompuServe. There are fees, of course, but quite
modest if the search is planned properly.

David Robson, Editor               E7C2ROB@TOWSONVX  [BITNET]
  Chem Matters Magazine              (410) 830-2635   [VOICE]
  Dept. of Chemistry                 (410) 830-3394     [FAX]
  Towson State University   e7c2rob@toe.towson.edu [INTERNET]
  Towson, MD  21204-7097
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:06:43 EDT
From:         Debbie Stern <stern%aecom.yu.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      CINAHL
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Note:  This is the last response that will be posted.  Thanks for all your
good input.  Diane Editor-This-Week
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The Cumulative Index to Nursing & Allied Health Literature is also
available on BRS as NAHL.  It is very useful and for the most part uses
MeSH headings which makes it easy to use if you are used to searching
Medline.
Debbie Stern
stern@aecom.yu.edu      212 430-3104
Albert Einstein College of Medicine - Gottesman Library
1300 Morris Park Ave  Bronx, NY 10461
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