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From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: video system wanted
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:32:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Dec27.193244.3281
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US


        I looking for to buy a film recorder (device to be connected
        in microcomputers to output in slide films) and the regular
        price mentioned by ads in computer magazines is around $14,995.
        The specification is:
        LFR Mark II
        by Lasergraphic Co.
 
        However, as all other products, in shops we can get it for prices
        well lower than the announced. I'd like to have from you, the
        name, adress, phone, and if possible the e-mail of any good shop
        where I can find this device for a good price.
 
        Thanks
 
                                Andre
 
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From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Organization: Netcom 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:17:40 GMT

> mgw@world.std.com (maryanne g wolf) writes:
>I am job-hunting, and I have also screened resumes.
>I understand that it is annoying to get resumes you are not interested in.
>I'd like the people who don't want inappropriate resumes
>to propose an alternative.  I'm not convinced that there is one.
>
>Imagine you work for a company which will not pay a recruiter if an
> [...]
>Mary-Anne Wolf

Mary-Anne,

Imagine if the world were populated by people who were concerned about
the welfare of their fellow man/woman.  Imagine how nice it would be
if applicants cared whether they were annoying / wasting the time of /
turning off prospective employers and managers by sending
inappropriate resumes.  Think of a world where people thought through
their actions and cared whether they were degrading the very mechanisms 
(readnews) which they hoped would land them a good job.  I hope that
someday this will come to pass without every newsgroup being either
moderated or too 'noisy' to bother reading or posting too.  

Roger Marquis
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: transform a resume
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:44:19 GMT

In article <ARA.92Dec29121021@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
>
>As some readers might have guessed from my earlier postings ("$6000 for
>one month each year" and "working conditions"), I do not know how to
>write a resume or to present myself to employers. In part, that is because
>things that are expected to be self evident to people are not self evident to
>me. And I suspect that as soon as employers stop paying for them to be self
>evident, these things won't be self evident to anyone.
>
>Meanwhile, I have about a dozen TeX files contining information I have
>typeset about myself and which, if printed out, would be an
>order of magnitude too long and inappropriate in content from the
>standpoint of most employers.
>
>I will gladly send copies of these files to anyone who thinks they can
>translate the contents into something that the capitalist imperialist
>devils and their craven lackeys can understand.
>
>Allan Adler
>ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu

Allan,
Since my mail bounced back I thought I'd public post a response.  I
had originally suggested that you look into teaching, either at the
junior college level or perhaps as a substitute teacher or tutor.
Colleges and secondary schools offer an extended summer vacation, a
fairly long winter break, and fairly relaxed schedule.  As a tutor, of
course, you'd pretty much set your own hours.

Of course, if you'd rather work for capitalists, you'll have to offer
a product that is in demand.  You said you're a PhD in math; so
perhaps you can offer consulting services to a developer of number crunching
software or CAD products.

The first thing you'll have to do, though, is lose the weird attitude
toward employment, or maybe get someone who spends more time in the
working world to represent you.  A craven lackey, you might say.

Terry

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: baker-j@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (john t baker)
Subject: Ethics Question Typo
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:11:23 GMT


Make that a $1500 bonus; not $150.

--
John Baker

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler)
Subject: Re: transform a resume
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
	<ARA.92Dec30001314@camelot.ai.mit.edu>,<C03H10.C19@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Dec31.065342.1979@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.065342.1979@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:

   Allen and your undergraduate friend both remind me of me to some extent.  
   But I
   don't think a member of the doctoral class of '74 is as likely to undergo a 
   180
   degree attitude adjustment, even allowing for a period of "not enjoying it 
   too
   much at first".  As for me, my worldview is not so "black and white" that I 
   see
   "extreme poverty" and moral compromise (by my own standards, I don't intend 
   to
   imply anyone else's are lower) to an extent comparable to working for a 
   defense
   contractor as my only options.

I didn't say that. I said that most companies would not be interested in
my skills and that the only exceptions known to me (cracking secret codes
for the government or writing a program to determine whether we are under
nuclear attack and to respond automatically) present me with moral and
personal difficulties that I am not prepared to deal with. 

Most correspondents agree that I am not very marketable in most places.
Those that think otherwise really don't know of any place that would
actually consider hiring me. As I explained, looking for a job is full
time metawork and I don't have that much time to spend on it. Following up
on the vague feelings that people have about what should work is very
time consuming. So I am more interested in specific pointers.

My preference for one month's work is based on the fact that I am committed
to my own research in mathematics and the perceptions that:
(1) most companies will not be sufficiently sympathetic to my needs as a 
    scholar
(2) It is very difficult for me to contain the distraction that working at
    even a part time job would cause me unless I confine it to a fixed
    short interval of time each year. Someone else might not have that problem.
    Since I do, I have to take it in into consideration before accepting a job.

The insistence on $6000 net from the work is based on the simple fact that that
is what I need to pay my food and rent.

It's all very simple.

Allan Adler
ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu

Since I have used the term "metawork" on two occasions and since I invented
the terminology, which is therefore probably not familiar to people, perhaps
I should explain it. "Work" is work that you do in the hope of being
rewarded  with money. "Metawork" is work that you do in the hope of being 
rewarded with "work". Metawork is quite cynically exploited in many professions
and I regard it as a sucker's game.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Organization: Verdix Corp
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:23:08 GMT

kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan) writes:

>Is it just me or others also irritated by this constant stream of
>"Don't  waste my time. It's more precious than yours"
>postings.  Have some compassion for people hit by hard
>times and looking for a job for a long time.  Being worried
>about your livelihood and constant anxiety about whether
>you are going to earn anything in your life (especially for fresh
>graduates)  again is nothing compared to a delete command
>you can type in your mail system. So get a perspective on this
>and stop playing God.  When you are desperate,  you may try
>something "just in case".

There is nothing wrong with sending a resume for an opening for which
you are underqualified, provided a cover letter stating something like
"Dear _____, I am applying in response to your job opening advertised in
_____ for _______.  Although I do not meet the stated qualifications,
I hope that you have openings for more junior personnel.  Thank you
for your consideration."  accompanies the resume.

The original poster was complaining about receiving bare resumes from
people without experience, for jobs requiring lots of experience.
I really don't think he was playing God, or attempting to harm
anyone.
-- 
-- Esther Lumsdon, not speaking for Verdix.   esther@verdix.com
Q: How many user support people does it take to change a light bulb?
A: We have an exact copy of the light bulb here and it seems to be
   working fine.  Can you tell me what kind of system you have?  
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Organization: Netcom 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:20:18 GMT

In article <JBM.92Dec22233556@infinity.hal.com> jbm@hal.com (Brad Might) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Dec22.140205@ardor.enet.dec.com>,
>Job is posted to misc.jobs.offerred. Several hundred replies are received.
>At least 50% of them are inappropriate/should never have replied. (Yes, I
>think 50% is an accurate number). Now the job poster decides not to post
>the OTHER 5 JOBS that he would have (or tells someone in another department
>that it is not worth it) because it has become too much trouble.
>
>jbm@hal.com (Brad Might)      

This has been my experience exactly.  After posting a job description
detailing 'requirements' and 'would also like' skill sets you would
expect people not to respond if they did not meet the requirements.  Not
so.  I received so many totally unqualified responses that I created a
macro to reply with a rejection form letter.

Needless to say I now value headhunters and word of mouth more than
the net for finding qualified technical support personnel.  

Please do not waste my time, and _all_of_our_bandwidth_ by replying to
job available postings to which you are not qualified.  It degrades
the quality of the net and is bad job karma too!

Roger Marquis(marquis@netcom.com)
From: davek@kestrel.ims.com (Dave Koon)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Where can I get cost-of-living data?
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:17:26 GMT
Reply-To: davek@kestrel.ims.com
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems

Another source would be department of labor statistics also available at
the library.  Ask the librarian for this information.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Patrick Ewing
Subject: Vector Marketing
Reply-To: Query On Vector Marketing
Organization: Northern Telecom
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:03:52 GMT

Vector Marketing was pretty much a sham. They hired a bunch of college kids to
push knives. I worked for them for a little while, and made a decent amount of
money for a while, too. But its inconsistent and not much fun. Except for those
conventions. I must have laid 8 or 9 babes in the month or two that I worked
for them. At best it's a great way to meet people.

33 
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:8455 sci.research.careers:1709
From: masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,sci.research.careers
Subject: Northerners moving south - questions
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:09:23 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm investigating a couple of job leads in the South - too many places
to mention meaningfully - and would like to hear from any Northerners
who've made such a move

Specifically, have you had trouble with the, ah, insularity of the
natives? Was it possible to adjust after a period of time, or is one
always pegged as a damyankee? It seems like a serious quality-of-life
issue. 

Thanks for the help,

- Steve "actually, I was born south of the Mason-Dixon line, by about
         five miles" masticol@cs.rutgers.edu.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: govindg@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Girish Govind)
Subject: Re: The question of Experience
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:48:01 GMT

From my personal experience I would like to put forth another aspect of the
"question of experience".

When a person is finishing his/her PhD at the age of 26/27 years and companies
don't look at their resumes because they have no work experience then they are
placing more emphasis on experience than they should. Not everybody that does
a PhD is so "single-minded" and focused as to be useless in the "real" world.
They are rarely given the chance to show what they can do. In fact, I have 
talked to several companies that would just dwell on the lack of "real-world"
experience and not on the things that I have to offer. Several others would
say e.g. in database software you are only familiar with brand WXY and not
with XYZ (which is what they use).

And they don't understand, if I know WXY very well, I will be able to pick up
the manual and be using XYZ very quickly! And maybe the company would 
want to use brand ABC after two years then wouldn't they want someone who can 
quickly pick up new things or someone who has grown old using the same 
XYZ system.

-- Girish Govind
   govindg@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: altman@cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Question about placement of employment information on a resume
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:20:35 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, State U of NY at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Doug Holtsinger (dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: In article <ssimmons.725548491@convex.convex.com> 
: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons) writes:
: Er, gosh, I meant to say that my full-time work experience is
: in reverse chronological order. On the page, my full-time work 
: experience is physically preceeded by a lot of part-time 
: academic experience.  So when the interviewer sees my part-
: time experience, I think they probably tend to ignore the
: remainder of my resume.  Sorry if I was unclear.
: 

Doug,
	I have recently had a similar experience to yours.
I have my BS and MS in CS.  After completing my BS, I got a F/T
job and took classes over the next three years to get my MS.

	However, both headhunters and employers have treated me
as if I have no F/T experience.  The basic feeling that I have
gotten is that only F/T experience after your last degree counts.

	In reaction to this I have moved the Education section
of the resume after that of my Employment History.  It is not
what I would prefer to do, however, my experience has been that
few people care about whether or not I have the MS if I have the
experience.

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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:23:07 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <JBM.92Dec22233556@infinity.hal.com> jbm@hal.com (Brad Might) writes:
>Scenario:
>
>Job is posted to misc.jobs.offerred. Several hundren replies are received.
>At least 50% of them are inappropriate/should never have replied. (Yes, I
>think 50% is an accurate number).

   In my experience, 80% would be a more accurate number. :-(
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Query on Vector Marketing Corporation
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:57:59 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1hsi2sINNhf7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan) writes:
>
>Greetings,
>
>old Alcas Corp. to market the Cutco set--high quality knives.
 
   Well, thats what they claim....

   Do you honestly know of ANY product these days where the
   door-door version is really as good a bargain as an equivalent
   in-store product?  [Amway, Nuskin, etc. folks please stifle
   yourselves}.

   SOMEBODY has to pay all that driving expense...the company sure
   doesn't....   hmmmmmm could it BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?

     The buyer?!

   And have you ever been setting at home just relaxing when some
   jerk knocks and disturbs your privacy?   Were you REALLY all warm
   and friendly to them or did you tell them politely to get lost
   before you sic the [dogs, kids, alligators, snakes] on them?

>
>As for my experience, so far I've attended two of their seminars.
>I was hired to be a salesman to do direct selling. This is what
>was described to me: 
>
>As a member of the team, one would first pitch to their neighbors
>and get referrences. From there, I would visit the houses of 
>those referrals. I was told to get ten leads per visit so that
>my potential customer base expands at a very high rate. I would

    If you can get everybody to give you ten leads SURE it
    would....but how many people HAVE ten enemies that they want to
    get even with by sending some pesky salesman over?  

    Your potential customer base is humongous.....the seminar is
    just trying to talk faster than you can think and convince you
    with numbers that are sheer BS if you stop and think about it.

    Why would you need referrals. just walk up and knock on the !@#$
    door.   


>
>At the seminar, the supervisor told us that you would get a
>sale 6 out of 10 times with an average of $126. The seminar
>itself was very thorough in detailing how to make a    
>presentation and close the sale. 
>
   And of course the supervisor wouldn't shade the truth a bit if
   there were potential bucks in it for them would they?   

   Ask to see their tax returns if the money is so !@#$!2 good.
From: douglash@meaddata.com (Douglas Holzworth)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Question about placement of employment information on a resume
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:00:39 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhino.meaddata.com

In article <1992Dec28.021550.19060@ncsu.edu>, dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
|> In one of the interviews which I've had recently,
|> the interviewer looked at my resume, and he barely 
|> noticed that I've had 3 years full-time work experience. 
|> The problem is that my work experience is listed in
|> chronological order, and my full-time work experience
|> is preceeded by a lot of part-time academic experience.
|> I think the interviewer probably glanced at my academic
|> experience and thought, 'here's a guy straight out of 
|> school with no real experience', and stopped reading 
|> my resume.  
|> 
|> I wanted to get opinions on whether I should divide 
|> my experience into separate sections--academic and
|> industrial--and then list my industrial experience
|> first.  That way, I think I'd have a better chance
|> of catching the reader's attention, perhaps at the
|> loss of some clarity in the resume. 
|> 

From what I understand on your post, I would suggest using
a reverse-chronological order dor your work experience.  This
places the most recent (and, from an employer's point of
view, most relevent) information first.  This may help put the
focus bacxk where you want it.

-- Doug Holzworth

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: EasyResume(TM) Resume Writing Outline/Sample
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:23:14 GMT

In article <72509@cup.portal.com>, Lee_-_Johnson@cup.portal.com writes:

(stuff deleted)

>World.  In 1993, they will be opening several new offices in the U.S. and 
>Europe.  OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A GROUND-FLOOR OPPORTUNITY!

(more stuff deleted)

>ENTRY-LEVEL GRADS:   Employers utilize College Placement Offices to hire
>                     recent graduates with no paid commercial industry
>                     experience.  EMPLOYERS DO NOT USE RECRUITING FIRMS
>                     FOR THIS PURPOSE.  WE ARE UNABLE TO ASSIST
>                     ENTRY-LEVEL GRADUATES WITH NO PAID COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY
>                     EMPLOYMENT.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mr. Johnson, you contradict yourself.  You also flatter yourself by equating
hiring someone with "assisting" same.  I'd like to go on record in this forum
in my statement that people like you are a disgrace to the American economic
system.

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

Pleasure that comes unlooked for is thrice welcome.
                                -- Rogers
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
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