From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:52:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I said:
>>...	You seem to think very highly of Japanese culture. Well...
 
Dwight said:
>No, that's not correct.  At no point have I ever said that Japanese-cu
>culture is better than Western-cu culture.  Mr. James Pak (jpak@oakhill.
>manute.mot.com), who backlogs much of the stuff on s.c.a.a, can be queried
>about some of my previous posts on s.c.a.a., where I specifically criticize
>Japanese-cu thinking in several respects.

You seem to regard it as better than Chinese culture. Exactly how?
Reading your stuff of late, I've noticed that a lot of the stuff you
are complaining about in Chinese culture exists in Japanese culture,
and in American culture as well. By the way, have you been to Japan?
Just curious...

I said:
>>(1) Do you not realize that a lot of things that
>>are now Japanese were brought over from China? Are all of these
>>things bad?

He said:
>Most of those things are bad.

I disagree with you here, but I suppose no amount of arguing is
going to change your mind.
 
I said:
>> (2) Maybe you do not realize it, but the Japanese are
>>guilty of a lot of the same sins you blame the Chinese for, most
>>notably conceiving of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese as separate
>>races, and assuming that Japanese-Americans are "Japanese" because
 
He said:
>Case in point of a bad "import" from China.
 
I don't think this is an import at all. Anyway, it exists here in
the USA too. I remember seeing a TV documentary on China a LONG time
ago that featured an "American" woman who'd supposedly learned to
speak Chinese so well that she was indistinguishable from those
native speakers. This intrigued me (I'd LOVE to speak Chinese that
well ^_^) so I watched... it turned out she'd been raised in China
by a Chinese family, but they kept insisting she was American. Heck,
she WAS a native speaker. ^_^ What about my own situation? I
constantly run into people that think it is downright unnatural for
me (1) not to be into the Christian religion, (2) not to immediately
"know" how to behave in some social situations, (3) tell me my body
language is "unnatural", or (4) froth at the mouth when I tell them
I don't like Coca-cola or hot dogs and that I have rice for every
meal. The idea is "you are white, you should be just like us". Never
mind my background. Or, how about certain ultra-PC types who will
accuse me of not ever having experienced oppression or having
certain stereotypical ideas because I'm white on the outside? These
people have never come into contact with Chinese culture, but they
have this view that ge=cu that you hate so much. I agree with you
that equating people's blood with a certain culture is silly, but my
point is IT'S NOT ONLY THE CHINESE WHO DO THIS. 

I repeat:
>>	All cultures have their good points and their failings.
>>Let's try to have a bit of an open mind, shall we? If not, you are
>>merely repeating the sins of the "Chinese" people you hate so much.

He said: 
>I do not hate Chinese-ge people.

Ooops. I meant to say "Chinese cultured people". You obviously DO
hate them, and it is THOSE people whom I was defending.
Ethnocentrism is every bit as bad as racism!! You keep saying that
you hate the Chinese cultured people for thinking their culture is
superior, etc, but you are doing the SAME thing when you are just as
uniquely biased AGAINST that same culture.

He says: 
>By the way, I am very much conerned about the welfare of all children
>--that includes Chinese-ge children.  I see them as the future of humanity.
>Chinese-cu see otherwise.  Jerks.

Exactly how are the Chinese cultured people demonstrating that they
don't think that children are the future of humanity??? Please
elaborate. *I* think that children deserve to be brought up by a
family that loves them, regardless of whether that family is Chinese
cultured or not. 
>
>Mai-chan, undies o kite iru toki kawaii n desu ka.

I don't recall giving you permission to use my nickname... *if* you
have been to Japan you should know this assumption is offensive..
As for me in undies... well, I'm just a bunch of letters on a
computer screen, so I don't think you're going to find out anytime
soon.

	Maiko (rather peeved)