HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: My friend turns two
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:25:09 GMT

Last weekend I went to a friend of mines second birthday party.  I got her
a little cord-less phone that talks in this little mechanical voice. It
teaches her letters, numbers, and colors and such.  Anyway, she is an
adorable little girl, reminds me a lot of my own daughter at that age.
She is a big part of the reason I no longer support abortion restrictions.  
 
About three years ago, her mom, a very good friend of mine, discovered
she was pregnant.  At the time I was a traditional pro-lifer.  She told
me about her dilemma.  She hardly knew the father, her father would 
disown her, she was drinking and doing drugs prior to finding out she
was pregnant.  All these things lead her to believe that abortion was
the only viable alternative for her.  I tried to convince her otherwise,
but I was unable to.  She is a very good friend, so despite my feelings
about abortion, I got her the money and went to the clinic with her.  
At the time, I was thinking about what a wonderful human being I was
for going against my beliefs and actually accompanying her there.  But
then I came to realize that what I was doing was not so special.  I
was not the one that making the bigger sacrifice.  Despite her feelings 
about abortion, she knew it was the only choice available to her.  
What she was doing was much more special than my small sacrifice.  
The abortion was difficult for her.  Not as difficult as continuing
the pregnancy, but difficult none the less.  
 
Later that year, she straightened herself out.  She met a reasonably
nice guy, and I saw her suddenly grow up.  She ended up getting 
pregnant, and my two year old friend is the result.  
 
Its not to difficult to imagine how this story might have turned 
out if legal abortions were not available.  Its possible my
friend might have been killed or injured by an illegal abortion.
Its possible that she would have felt forced to continue the 
first pregnancy.  I think her deciding her own fate was a big
reason why she grew up so fast.  I don't think she would have
faced it as well if the decision was forced on her.  I do know 
that if abortion was illegal, there is a very good chance that 
I would not have gone to my friends second birthday party.  So
for selfish reasons in this case, I am glad abortion was safe 
and legal.  

Dan King
From: tanj@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Ren and Stimpy's Love Child)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Description of the Fetal Remains from an Abortion
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:24:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hecate's Sandbox


Yo, Holtsinger.  What Lost Boy was trying to impress on your feeble intellect
via a gross-out story of a morally neutral procedure is that if you're
counting on phlegm-flecked descriptions of gooey blood sacks to convince
people that abortion is wrong because it's icky, you have the rhetorical
acuity of a small soap dish.

Hugs and kisses, Dougie-nums.
--Teddi
-----------------Another Catholic School Survivor (12 years!)----------------
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- hooked on only 7 phonics)
Subject: Humor Break: Those Wacky O.R. Newsletters
Originator: judi@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: WACDTF, Washington, D.C.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:32:30 GMT

I get Operation Rescue's newsletters, and I thought some folks here might
get a kick out of this excerpt from one of their recent ones:  


 [Keith Tucci writes:]    "I am sure that there are others who
                           could write more exciting letter and
                           perhaps illicit a greater response..."
                                   ^^^^^^^

I'm used to seeing all kinds of language hatchet jobs from O.R., but this
is quite possibly the best yet.  Quite apropos, even. :-)

Ranks right up there with his misspelling of Faye Wattleton's name.

[Disclaimer: this article makes no claims whatsoever about pro-lifers in
 general.  It notes only that O.R. papers usually contain more errors
 than an early Mets game.]
--
When a man loves a woman, he supports her right to choose.

-=* Jay T Stein *=-       GEnie: J.STEIN18             Pro-woman, Pro-family,
    "JT in DC"         Internet: judi@wam.umd.edu      Pro-child, PRO-CHOICE.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: zeus@aero.org (Dave Suess)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Jim, the chastity belt theory ... [torturing cats]
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:00:41 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org
Summary: where are these cats, physically?
Keywords: forced childbirth

In article <1992Nov17.220557.23514@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
>... not everyone looks at things that way.  From the pro-life
>point of view, you might as well say that a dispute between those who
>do and those who don't want to forbid torturing cats to death for fun
>depends on whether the owner or some interfering do-gooder is best
>qualified to decide how to handle the situation in which cat owners
>find themselves.

	I've been reading way too much about torturing cats; it looks
	an awful lot like an appeal to emotion (a tactic usually reserved
	for those who have no substantive arguments to offer). How about
	changing it to torturing cockroaches?  Or, better yet, talking
	about abortion?  What is the representation here? That the 
	pregnant woman is the cat-torturer?  Does this mean that the
	cat being tortured is *inside someone's body*?  I certainly have
	no objections to someone doing anything necessary to remove a
	cat from their internals.
				Dave Suess	zeus@aerospace.aero.org
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.flame
From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: projection of the week: this week's winner!
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:58:18 GMT

mglads@catbox.cc.uni.edu (Melvin Gladstone) writes:
->It looks like someone has taken Kevin's special 
->place in the Keeganator's heart.  

don't worry, mel, i'll always have a special place for
kebbie.

->So there is hope for me after all.

let's see about that.

->Well here are some things which may win your affection.

->"I provide all necessary evidence to back up my claims to the extent
->I deem appropriate so as to provide future deniability."

kebbie already did this one.

->"Hey your SO beats puppies."

kebbie out-did this one.

->"I am rabidly pro-choice on everything except those things which I
->don't think you should do."

kebbie did this one.

->"Any marginally reasonable person may not have concluded that your
->article wasn't in fact a confirmation of the lack of a denial that
->your SO may not have beat puppies."

kebbie out-did this one.

->"I am not paranoid, I have no delusions about the fact that you are
->all out to get me."

kebbie did this one.

->"I will apologize for giving the impression the I did not vehemently
->reject the notion that your SO might beat puppies if you apologize
->for starting this thread when you should have known full well it would
->get around to this puppy thing."

kebbie out-did this one.

mel, are you modeling yourself on kebbie?

Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: "Unrestricted abortion on demand" is the truth
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:52:37 GMT

In article <sk9ao5o@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:

> margoli@watson.ibm.com once again refutes Holtsinger's lies
> about Roe.  Bootlessly, I think-- he's shown no signs of
> stopping his endless repetitions of his misinformation. 

They're not "lies", it's the truth: Roe v. Wade is unrestricted
abortion-on-demand throughout pregnancy. 
 
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: Jim, the chastity belt theory, and me, Part 1
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:07:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.230403.18492@rigel.econ.uga.edu> 
mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills) writes:
> B.A. Schnaufer

>> Human life is sacred. 

> And what about those of us who do not believe anything is sacred, such as
> atheists and agnostics? 

Not every atheist and agnostic believes that nothing is sacred.

Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism
From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)
Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:01:13 GMT

In article <1e5m2jINNob7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
[...]
>   I am a Jew.  As a Jew, I have no use for, or interest in Jesus
>or Christianity.  As the focus of the NT is on Jesus, the form of
>the NT is 'biographical.'  The OT is a narritive of the growth of
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the human race as a moral species.  It is the story of God trying
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to teach us right from wrong.
>-- 
>   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>may not be both."
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel

Things that make you go Hmmm...

People are fucking pathetic.
--
Should the human race not be extinguished by a nuclear war, it will degenerate
into a flock of stupid, dumb creatures under the tyranny of dictators who rule
them with the help of machines and electronic computers.  This is no prophecy,
just a nightmare.  -- Max Born.   **** dgraham@bnr.ca    My own opinions. ****
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:21:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.030911.25233@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
>|> He mellowed.
>|> 
>Not from the Jewish perspective.
>
>From the Jewish perspective, the "OT" God judged
>us for our actions, not our beliefs, and had
>mercy on the righteous of all nations.
>
>The NT God judges us for our beliefs only, and
>casts the unbelievers into an eternal fiery hell ---
>the place of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
>


  oop's OT God Judged House of Isreal according to performance of keeping
  a law of actions.

  Outside of the covenant people, the OT God, would even bother judgeing
  the gentile.


  In the NT, past the events of Christ and Peter, Paul opened the
  opportuiity for salvations even to the heathen.


  Not to stir the waters, but hope and faith were major elements in
  OT as well, the belief or unbelief of the people were regarded as
  reasons for God to judge.

-- 
         Kermit Tensmeyer                         | Intergraph Corporation
   klt@kt8127.b23a.ingr.com                       | Deep in Dixie
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Screwheads to the *LEFT*, SCREWHEADS to the RIGHT!
Summary: And you're the only pinkboy in town...
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:00:01 GMT
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less

eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
# @Wrong.  Abstinence does not protect one from rape.
#
# I can see that. But the majority of abortions performed in this country
# are not a result of violent crime (i.e., rape, incest) nor as a
# consequence of saving the life of the mother during childbirth.
# 
# I can handle this exception, but it should be shown that the woman was
# raped or required an abortion as a bona fide surgical procedure. In
# addition, the rapist should be given the stiffest penalties under the
# law.

Great going, buckaroo.  So, for a woman to qualify for an abortion
under your gracious `exception' she has to stay pregnant until her
rapist has been *CONVICTED?*

Don't bend over backwards trying to make friends.

-----

# A child is a gift that is conceived in love and committment to one
# another.

--->Except those that are the product of rape.  So obviously *THOSE*
children can be permitted to be aborted...

# You basically get children from the sexual act.

I never have.  Maybe I should try harder, eh?

#                                                  If the act was
# not made under the auspices of love and mutual consent, then abortion
# should remain an option.

I note cynically that you aren't saying what conditions should grant
the government power to punish those who have illegal abortions.

-----

# @Bringing a child into the world is not always the responsible thing
# @to do.
#
# Neither is it responsible to have sex just because you want to make the
# other person scream your name, or to try on some new sexual position
# that you or your partner is interested in, or to show how much you love
# your significant other.  

I'll thank you to keep you condescending attitude out of my bedroom,
Mr. Chuck -- your opinions regarding the relative responsibility
demonstrated by my sexual behavior is none of your damned business --
and it shouldn't be the government's either.


-- 
+---------------------------+  ``I guess the government that robs its
| J H Woodyatt              |  own people earns the future it is
| bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com |  preparing for itself.''
+---------------------------+                             -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: consider the IMPLICATIONS of the proposition
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:20:59 GMT

garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
] In article <+wt1!x-@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
] 
] #CNN also reports that OR has announced a change of tactics.  Instead
] #of trying to shut down individual clinics, they will now target Bill
] #Clinton directly.  If this were the military, wouldn't that be called
] #mutiny?  (resist temptation here, oh drieux...)

I did, as Terry et al are NOT military.

The Military is OBLIGED to uphold the law of the land....

] I wonder how this fits in with Terry's "If you think abortion
] is murder, why don't you act like it?" line.  I'm glad that
] they've chosen to harass one man rather than hundreds of women,
] but I don't know what they hope to accomplish.  I also
] wonder if the troups will fall in line behind the leaders, or
] if they'll rebel and continue to block clinics.


problem with Terry's Line, is that IF he really
believes his BS then he is advocating the assination
of the president, which in the main is considered a
Non_Positive_Social_Agenda_Item in some places.


ciao
drieux


-- 
Modern Day Problems:
Little Miss Muffett, sat on a ToughtIt,
Eating her Kurds and Weighs, Along came a Spider,
and she drove off with the Neat Guy with a HOT CAR!
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:53:41 GMT

cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:

>In article <1992Nov21.222434.4570@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
>>kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
>>
>>>After a recent spate of particularly vicious and violent male rapes
>>>in London (men being abducted from tube stations by 3 or 4 men and
>>>taken somewhere, blindfolded then forcibly penetrated), some of the
>>>less oppressive newspapers in this country carried comment from leading
>>>criminal psychologists about how it is unlikely that the incidents had
>>>been carried out by gay men.  
>>
>>Doesn't that sort of show homosexual tendancies??  Male penetrating
>>a male??  Sounds gay to me.

>    No, it doesn't.  Think before you post.  Or at least try to.

I DID THINK!!  And I THINK that a male having sex with a male is homo-
sexuality, just by definiton!  Think before you ANSWER!
-Doc

-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc
From: dsoconne@quads.uchicago.edu (Daniel S OConnell)
Subject: Re: New Catholic Catechism: A first in 426 years
Reply-To: dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:54:59 GMT

Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

>The 676 page catechism, issued in French but eventually to be
>released in six languages, is the most comprehensive revision of
>the faith issued to the world's 900 million Catholics since the
>Reformation.

>Three thousand bishops worked for six years on the project,
>discussing 24,000 amendments.

And for what? I didn't read about any important differences;
but that's orthodoxy. . .

Dano

>...the illusion of a make-believe world...
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: compromise
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:28:56 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Nov17.182424.14625@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>I'd like to see a re-post of Mr. Nyikos' reply so that
>everyone can see his refutation of Greenfield's arguments.   
>Who knows, perhaps one of you pro-aborts might get up the 
>courage to actually reply to Mr. Nyikos' arguments, instead
>attacking him for an accidental misattribution.  


Doug, 

We aren't attacking him for an accidental misattribution.

We are attacking him for totally lacking the character to admit and apologise
for his mistakes in maligning people.

There's a 'tad' bit of difference here, I think.

Adrienne Regard

PS, even Doug knows you are wrong, Pete.
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: What REALLY pisses me off about the Pro-Abortionists
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less

forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
# Kevin, every single one of us is a fertilized egg.  Some of us are just older
# than others.

Wow.  _Stanger_In_A_Strange_Land_.

-- 
+---------------------------+  ``I guess the government that robs its
| J H Woodyatt              |  own people earns the future it is
| bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com |  preparing for itself.''
+---------------------------+                             -- Mark Twain
Xref: sparky talk.abortion:48248 soc.men:19445 soc.women:19762 alt.politics.homosexuality:7313
From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,soc.women,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:37:01 GMT
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de
Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on...

In article <nyikos.721945583@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
[in response to some quoted cases of gay-bashing]
[...]
>In my real world there is a nurse whose son got killed because he would
>not acquiesce to gay kidnappers.  In my real world is a man who was
>kidnapped and sodomized and made to commit fellatio at gunpoint by a 
>known homosexual, who said in no uncertain terms that he, the victim, 
>would be killed by him, the kidnapper, regardless of how often he did
>the fellatio or submitted to sodomy.  The kidnapper is free now after
>serving 1 1/2 years in prison, and the victim is alive, and wants to
>stay that way, so neither you, Sledovatel Cochran, nor anyone else in
>this newsgroup will be able to drag any more information about these 
>two incidents from me.

The incidents you describe have as much to do with homosexuality as other
forms of rape have to do with heterosexuality - that is to say none at all.
These are crimes of violence, they have nothing to do with sex.

>As the sole male member of the Campus Sexual Assault Task force's 
>subcommittee on Survivors, it fell upon me to look at programs and
>services for male victims of sexual battery.  I am learning a lot, 

Learn the difference between rape and sex. That would be start.

>Peter Nyikos

-- 
Frank.ODwyer@ap.mchp.sni.de   "You take slaves when you make us free,
                               when you make us free your way"
                             World Party - 'Ain't going to come til I'm ready'
                   
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.da
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: ATUI: Abortion and the Law
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:20:31 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
> mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
[...]
> Sounds like a good case for not trying to legislate the damn thing and leaving
> it up to the individual and her doctor(s).  (including unrealistic restrictions
> like that "only in the case of a threat to her health" bull***t)

You don't say?  Maybe I made the case like that because that's the way my
position is?  Naaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
 
>>NEXT POST:  Conclusions
> 
> I though you'd been giving conclusions all along.  Since most of your arguments
> were ineffective or refuted, I don't think your "conclusions" have any weight
> at all.  Unfortunately, I think I lost the post, so I won't have a chance to
> respond to it.  8-(

Sorry, I think I lost it too.  Will check for you though.
 
Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca