From: kambizm@ifi.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Men have forgotten God
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:52:26 GMT
Originator: kambizm@hadd.ifi.uio.no



I wrote an answer to this right in the start but It seems that it did
not appear on the SCI. Thus I try to reconstruct what I wrote then. If
the answer is visible for you and I just repeat what I previously wrote
I apologize.

Ali Writes

>I came across a good article from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who is a
>Russian novelist which I like to share it with you. By the way he was
>awarded the Nobel prize in literature in 1970.

  
>     It was Dostoyevsky, once again, who said of the French Revolution and its
>seething hatred of the church that "revolution must necessarily begin with
>atheism." But the world had never before known a godlessness as organized,
>militarized and tenaciously malevolent as that practiced by Marxism. Within
>the philosophical system of Marx and lenin, and at the heart of their
>psychology, hatred of god is the principal driving force, militant atheism a
>central pivot. The degree to which the atheistic world longs to annihilate
>religion.

> Ali and Solzhenitsyn


I do not know how much one should take the moral preaching of Dostoyeovsky the
lifelong gambler and the alchoholic seriously. About Solzhenitsyn he appears to
support the most reactionary forces in Russia today. He is for a big Slavic
nation where the Orthodox church will carry  the ideological banner of a Tsarlike
big Russia in his dreams. His xenophobic ideas are not human but imperialistic.
 He certainly has forgotten that the idea of Sibir camps were not discovered by 
the Bolshoviks but by Tesars (read resurrection by Tolstoi) with the Orthodox 
church always behind it. Who has forgotten Rasputin, the corrupt priest in 
Nikolei's court!
If the Romanov dynasty fell, it was by their own wrongdoings. The corruption
was pervasive, feudalism and its moral values was already disappearing 
after the 1861 removing of servage system (read Anne Karenin of Tolstoi,
Oblomov of Gencharev, Chekhov, Gorki, Turgeniev  and  .... to get a picture
of the morality of the time). The Muzhics (russian peasants) were killed
by millions (10 million russian death in world war 1) while Tesar and then
Krensky wanted to continue their nonsense war. Russia lost the war in 1905
to Japan (an unsuccessful revolution happened then). Whether the Bolsheviks were
right or wrong to takeover is another case but the revolution did happen
because of a corrupt establishment with the church included. 
 As for the French revolution, the story is the same. Some remember the Termidor
terror and the 2000 who were giotined by Robespier. But Bastil is forgotten
for the time being. The misery of miserables (read victor Hugo) is forgotten.
The inquisition in spain and the terror of Jesuits, the cooperation of Catholic
church with fascists, their cooperation with Franco is forgotten and also the 
burning of millions (yes millions) of women as witches. They even helped in many
places as Poland to massacre the Jews. And the Spaniard church  did certainly helpe in
the massacring of the Godless Indians. You just take up the
history of the middle  age and every pages of it is written by blood and fire.
Then no wonder that the French revolution was against these aristocrates in
disguise (clergy). When church owned up to half of the land in some parts of
Europe and was the cruelest of all feudals. The philosophical system of 18 and 19
centuries are the direct consequences of the opperssion of a millenium by church.


                                                  Kambiz

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