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From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:42:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr8.184205.3658
Organization: Black Leather Wings

In article <1992Apr8.004742.24917@wpi.WPI.EDU> lelle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Helene) writes:
>
>	I think you're right.  I'm going to get my nipple re-pierced
>(again...  BTW, is piercing the same nipple three times a problem?

Sometimes the re-pierce is more difficult, both for the piercer and
the piercee, because scar tissue has accumulated in the piercing site.
My lover got his nipples re-pierced last summer (the first set of
rings were removed without his consent; it's a long story), and told
Fakir before starting to keep on going no matter how much pain he
appeared to be in.  That turned out to be a wise move; on the tougher
nipple, Fakir had to use the needle like a machete to hack his way
through the scar tissue.  It took half a dozen pushes to get all the
way through, and clear intentions on both Daffodil's and Fakir's part
were essential to finishing the job.

Then there's the time another friend, a nipple pig who had been doing
heavy play on his tits for decades (no, not the one on the primitives
list; this one doesn't have net access :-) who asked Jim Ward about a
piercing and was told "Honey, I could use a 4 by 4 for a pusher and
take a running start from across the room and I still wouldn't get
through." :-).


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #4:  Nothing exceeds like excess."
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:42:00 -0400 
From: Fleur Diana Dragan <fd0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TEMPORARY COVERUP OF
	<1992Apr12.230627.17202@odin.corp.sgi.com>


There's always Dermablend, which I have been hearing about since I was a
wee one. It's supposed to be used for covering up scars, waterproof,
blendable, I've heard good things about it.  Don't know where to get it
though.  It's the kind of thing doctors recommend to people concerned
about scars and things so your local doctor could probably tell you
where to get it.

Fleur
fleur+@cmu.edu
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: aftercare
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:01:16 GMT

when my tattoo was finished, Chas glopped some vaseline on it, bandaged
it, insisted that noone was to see it till tomorrow, 'don't even peel
the bandage back to peek, you'll have it all your life, your friends
can wait till tomorrow' (patently obvious), said to wash gently
with warm soapy water, pat dry, dry 20-30 minutes, apply a few drops
of vaseline intensive care aloe lanolin lotion, showed my a bottle,
as if i couldn't find it myself, rub it in till therez no trace left
on the surface, and repeat 3-5 times daily till
healed, which he estimated would take about 5 days. also no baths 
hottubs soaks, sun saunas heat for 2 weeks.

then he insisted that if i used anything besides the particular lotion,
that he would be able to tell, and i would void his guarantee, which btw,
i didn't ask about; are guarantees common?? does anyone else use aloe
to heal tats? he had a big aloe plant in his window, i was expecting him
to m

NO CARRIER

ake me buy one too, 
sNRC
how does this sound for a healing regimen? it seems to be qorking q0uite
well, it's been about 56 hours, and theres no tenderness left, the+ swelling
is about gone, the redness is gone, there is no scabbing, \caU)lA/

oops

the skin is a little rough, and slightly raised, and it looks terrific

and stuff
tim
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: problem.....
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:03:31 GMT


I've got a problem...  (okay , *another*... :)

my tattoo artist rang me last night wondering where i'd been. he wants to 
take a look at my leg, and i assume, get more cash-for-ink out of me. as most 
of you know, he has done some really great work on me, and some bad scratch 
art. 

should i trust this guy? the quality of work varies directly with his personal
relationships, but do i really want to risk it?

how do i tell a guy that he's just too uneven? how would you [on the left 
coast] tell pinky that he is just not up to snufff anymore?

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.
From: cs421olek@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (NEUMANN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Nose Pierce
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:50:00 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University - Computer Science Dept
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  Well I finally did it.  Tonight I pierced my nose.  I have wanted to do
it for a while now but due to uncontrollable circumstances I was unable to.
I did it with a 18 gauge hypodermic needle.  I removed the plastic end from
the needle so that I could put the post from the hoop into the end of it.
It went pretty smooth.  Took me about 30-35 minutes to pierce it and 15-20
minutes to try and get the fuckin clasp on the hoop closed.  Well thanks
for listening. 

Dave 

Freshly pierced
From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: tats and acne
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:57:35 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <dd50494@pro-haven.cts.com> warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin) writes:
>
>        As someone recently wrote, with no response (as yet - of course, by
>the time this post gets to r.a.b, there will be, just to make me look bad ;-),

	Yep. Jeff already answered this one.

>there was a question about how bad, or whether, acne can seriously hurt
>tattoos.  I know that I get it sometimes so that it will leave a bit of scar
>tissue, but I too was wondering if there was a definitive answer, as my
>shoulder tat has already seen a zit or two since I got it over a month ago.
>I haven't scratched or picked at it, but I still can't tell if there's any
>damage yet ('twas right in the middle of a red flame), but I'll letcha know.

	A few pimples are no problem; just don't fuck with 'em til
	the tattoo is healed. 

	I got a lot of 'em on my chest when I got tattooed there 
	(My arms are not really hairy, so the shaving there didn't 
	cause any trouble; but when my chest was shaved for a tattoo
	over my heart; not only did I get lotsa pimples as it healed,
	but it itched like a MOTHERFUCKER.).

	I would not get tattooed anywhere I had enough acne to cause 
	scarring, but other than that, I don't think it's an issue.



			-Karl


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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: glow in the dark?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:53:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.205324.8492@odin.corp.sgi.com> barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com writes:
>that make it fluorescent???  %^) ) tattoo on the back of his neck,
>I know he's done some more of them. I understand they just look
>kind of like a light scar til the black lights on 'em. Freddy was
>telling us a story about a gal who got some obscene thing on her
>forarm (I can't remember what it was. Karl? Do you?) thinking it
>would be invisible unless black light was on it, but it showed up
>plain as day and she had to have it covered.


It was a spurting penis, with the phrase "Love it!" beneath it.




FWA
-trying to fool Karl's wife with his Batman impersonation....
From: watanabe@orion.oac.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: I really really hate flames and all that, but...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:57:17 GMT


ALthough i think that flames are not only the biggest waste of money,
time, bandwidth, intelligence and everything else i can imagine...
(cliche-ity on)
There is a time and a place for everything
(cliche-ity off)  (maybe)
i REALLY REALLY like to give to people a fair chance
and if someone is getting flamed i usually try to side
with them and assume they could be right or they are just somehow
misguided and they should not be insulted, but...

Ben, im not going to call you an ass or a moron or any of the more
creative things that you have come up with in return to those,

but i do want to ask..  
why is this WHOLE group.. im sorry.. this WHOLE network
a bunch of college students lost in fairy-tale college land
and have no concept of the real world (ie RIME or FIDOnet)
when companies, organizations and many things besides colleges
make up use-net?

why is what you say a joke and what everyone else says not a joke?
they all sound the same to me.. name calling, whining, etc.

what do you do with your life that you have enough time to respond
to all this shit?

and why, if you are so much above us, do you have to insult us
instead of being the great guy that you seem to be,
and help us understand?

i may have been really stupid to get my tongue pierced,
but i dont trust doctors who have never seen professionally done
pierces, i trust people i know with professionally done pierces
and i dont seem to have a problem with mine, 

so.. until you get your tongue pierced, dont tell me anything about it
thanks



--
Stub
Organization: Junior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:02:07 -0400 
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: OTC Analgesics




Howdy, folks...

I saw( a few posts back) someone say that you should only take Aspirin
for tat. pain.
The reasoning was that it was the only OTC (over the counter) that had
anti-inflammitory
action.  I was under the impression that Advil/Nuprin/Motrin (all
Ibuprofin) fell into the class
of NSAID's (non-steroidal anti-inflammitory drugs).  As can be gathered
by the name (:) ) they
have significant anti-inflammitory effects, while minimizing some of the
digestive system-type
side effects of aspirin (I still can't take them, but that's another
story).  Acetominophen 
(tylenol), on the other hand, doesn't have those anti-inflammitory uses,
I think it's just
anti-pyretic (spelling?) and analgesic.
	Another thing that I was wondering-- Aspirin is used to treat heart problems
through taking a dose on the order of a "baby" aspirin, once every day
or every two days.
This has to do with its blood-thinning effects.  Now, my question is (I
can look it up, but I'm 
at school and don't have my dad's PDR or merck handy) are these effects
(the blood thinning) 
1) immediatly observable?
2) enough to cause a noticable increase in bleeding during tattooing?

Anyone have any ideas?  Or maybe a reference in the New England Journal
of Medicine?


--Seth
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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: piercing and infections
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:10:10 GMT

af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:

>>Hello, does anyone know if having a cold or other infectious disease
>>at the time of piercing increases the risk of infection in the pierce?
>>Thanks muchly for any information you can give.
>Also, does anyone know if a currently healing pierce or a recently
>healed over failed pierce increases or decreases the chances (or time)
>of another pierce healing well?

Having a cold means you body's defenses are down, and you're less
likely to be able to heal a pierce while your infection-fighting
systems are also batling a cold.  But I went through a cold while
healing a pierce and didn't notice a change in the condition of
the pierce's healing.  A cold would probably hinder the enjoyment
and excitement of getting the pierce, though.  I'd wait.
But I don't think a healing pierce will interfere with a new one's
chance of avoiding infection, unless it was done the day before!
It might take a bit longer, but even this is hard to guage...  It
would be a bummer to have two healing and none to play with. (-=

Arlen
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From: rich@island.COM (Rich Fanning)
Subject: Re: MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:03:23 GMT

ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:

>If you ever climb down off your childish "College Net" and get on RIME
>or FIDOnet or anywhere where a TRUE cross-section of America hangs out,

Hee hee.

>  Out in the real world (as opposed to the Campus Fairyland) we make


Hee hee hee.

Stop it, stop it.  I can't take it any more.

-- 

     Rich Fanning       {sun,uunet}!island!rich
			    rich@island.COM
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From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Subject: Re: temporal pierce
Organization: Black Leather Wings
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:01:23 GMT

In article <10APR199203484780@juliet.caltech.edu> jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.) writes:
>ObBodyarts:  So I've decided on getting a broken barbwire strand motif
>tattooed around my upper arms, and I was wondering if anyone might
>suggest a good art sourcebook.  I've drawn a few designs, but I'm not
>a painter.  How much of an idea would an inker need?

I suspect not much.  A friend of mine named Joseph got a barbwire
harness tattooed by Mad Dog, a San Francisco artist.  That's probably
of minimal use to you, but if you want, I'm sure one of the Bay Area
tattoosluts here can provide you with his number.  Judging by the
results, I suspect Mad Dog came up with the details on his own and no
sourcebook-level details were needed.


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch househole rule #7 (taken from RogerK):  Nothing succeeds
as planned."
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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Pressure Cookers?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:16:54 GMT

tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>mom has an extra pressure cooker she offered me;

>any advice about sterilization with one? i know it was discussed 
>recently,
*----
15 minutes at 15 PSI should kill just about anything.  Be sure to
let your instruments cool down before you use them, unless you're
into branding too.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:35:04 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <1992Apr12.050247.4200@odin.corp.sgi.com> barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com writes:
>>Why are nipples never tattooed?
>
>   	OW OW OW OW OW OW OWWWWWWW!!!
>
>	-Barb

wow, that is certainly enough reason for me.

--heathernoel

who is apparently having some kind of
problem with her sig, but is on the
whole, not certain.
From: jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
Summary: Ben, you are and ass...
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:27:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Ben
You are an ass and I have written you down as such. Please go away.

-- 
Jim Robinson                       I've never quibbled, if it was ribbald,
jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu       I would devour where others merely nibbled.
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From: jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.)
Subject: Re: A question of aesthetics
Summary: balance is important 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: left/right symmetry/whatever
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:07:00 GMT

In article <0y5t06f@rpi.edu>, speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights) writes...
>I, too prefer an asymmetrical placement, although I like the idea 
>balancing the overall adornments.  I got my right nipple pierced
>for that reason among others; I have two earrings in my left ear
>and a tattoo on my left upper arm.  Plus I'm left-handed, so it's 
>easier to play with (-:  
> 
  Now that I think about it, I think some sort of balance is important
for me too.  Hence four earrings on the left (2 lobe, 2 cartilage), and
soon in the future a right ear cartilage pierce and a right side librette.
I'm not sure which nipple will get the needle.  I want it on the right for
balance, but I want it on the left because I like to do things (like
play with rings) left handed.  We'll see.  Oh yeah, tattoo cuffs around
both arms and an additional (as of yet undetermined design) one on the 
right shoulder

>I'm glad I didn't use anaesthic for the nipple pierce.  The pain was
>intense, but I was in it partly for the feeling of passage from one
>body state to another.  And most pain, even if it's too intense for you
>to consider anything else but pain, is easy to handle if you're ready
>for it.  For me it was a feeling of being in control of my body as a
>seperate entity, physical feeling and conscious feeling were seperate.
>But if you don't care to feel the pain, I see no reason to avoid it,
>except for the possibility that the piercer doesn't know what s/he is
>doing.  And it will hurt when it wears off.
> 
   At Gauntlet they don't use anesthetics, so I don't have much choice
here, but I think the pain is part of the experience and so would forgo
the anesthetic anyway.  Now, I'm not sure what I'll think when I get a
PA.
Regards.
########################## Making time in a low rent highrise, no place
jay bromley, space cadet | to go downtown, crushing crucifixion, particles
jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu | harmful descent, take a shot and hide
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Subject: QUESTIONS O'TATTOOS-INDIA
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> I also would like to know about how much this will cost me....
-> I lift weights and was wondering how much distortion would occur if I
-> did get one on a muscular area.
-> I can stand the pain and all....but I don't want it to hurt my wallet
-> that bad......

 The shape of the tattoo will change if you're relaxed or pumped anyway,
so you need to decide which way you want it to look best.  If you enter
contests, you'll probably want it done while you're pumped.

 As for the cost - I paid for one for my wife a few months ago.  Cost
really wasn't a consideration.  Either I could afford it or I couldn't.
You're going to have that tattoo forever, and down the road you might
kick yourself over not spending the extra $25 or $100 for a *good*
artist instead of a needle-sticker.

 Most tattooists have photos or other examples of their work for you to
look at.  Look at all of the ones in your area, not just the first one
you find.  Good luck!
                                                                       
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From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Subject: Re: tons o' tats questions
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:17:24 GMT

>>have sensitive skin..should i take some non aspirin thing before i have 
>>the tattoo done? 
>
>If you're worried about inflamation, don't take NONaspirin.  Take the real
>thing.  

	You should avoid aspirin if you're getting a tattoo - like
	alcohol, it thins the blood and can cause a lot more bleeding
	when you're being tattooed. Ibuprofin won't cause this problem.

>The other stuff has no anti-inflammatory properties.  

	Not true AT ALL. Ibuprofin (Motrin, Advil, etc.) is an
	excellent anti-inflammatory, actually better than
	aspirin. You can check with any pharmacist for verification
	of this... 

>It just blocks
>some kinds of pain.

	Ibuprofin is an anti-prostaglandin. It removes the *cause*
	of the pain and swelling - the prostaglandin - it doesn't
	"just block" the pain. This is what makes it such an
	excellent drug for arthritis type problems. 

	Obviously, No over the counter medication is going to remove
	all pain from getting a tattoo. Tattoos hurt, that's part of 
	the committment of getting one. But IMO, it's up to each person
	to decide for themselves, without a lecture, (particularly
	one containing inaccurate information) whether they'd like to
	try to lessen the pain slightly or take it with no medical
	intervention. 

>  --Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

	-Barb


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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: PA's
Keywords: Prince Albert, tieing it down?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:57:29 GMT

bambi@visenix.UUCP (Hilda) writes:
>find an irrefutable source for the info.can somebody out 
>there help me?
No I can't maybe the folks at ReSearch Handbooks
 could give you a trace
on thier source from the Modern Primitives thing.
>genie with the inquisitive mind
-P.
-- 
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From: quinn@xraylith.wisc.edu (Quinn Leonard)
Subject: Re: Left/Right standards AGAIN (Was Re: info please)
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 17:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.213853.764@news.Hawaii.Edu> teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>In article <69814@ut-emx.uucp> jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim Robinson) writes:
>>
>>>But it does seem that, among men who have only one pierced ear,
>>>the vast majority are pierced on the left.  And it's probably
>>>safe to say that many of them chose to be pierced on the left
>>>because of a widespread perception that right == gay...
>>>-- 
>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
>>
>>Gee, and I thought it was because the `vast majority' are right handed.
>>
>>-- 
>>Jim Robinson                       I've never quibbled, if it was ribbald,
>>jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu       I would devour where others merely nibbled.
>
>I heard the old sailors used to pierce their left ear because they
>believed that it made the opposite eye see better. If they were
>right-handed, their right eye would be dominant so they'd want their
>right eye to be able to see better. Land ho!
>
>
>
And I heard that sailors pierced different ears depending upon whether they'd
ever sailed south of the equator:  left ear for folks who'd only been in the
northern hemisphere, right ear as a mark of initiation for those who'd crossed
the equator.  Then, the gay/straight thing got started as a mark of having
crossed another kind of border.

But, this sounds like misinformation to me...

-Quinn

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