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From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy in urope???!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:26:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Oct16.030730.14386@DIALix.oz.au>, by ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig):
> In <1992Oct14.170443.22241@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:
> 
>>Interesting tidbit in USA Today (10-14), and I quote
> 
>>"The IndyCar cicuit reached agreement with the Federation International Sport 
>>Auto to stage up to six international oval races next season.
> 
> How many ovals in Europe are there that are capable of running Indycars.
> There is an oval at Calder, Australia that runs NASCARs (I don't know about
> Indycars, though), but this is the only one I have heard of outside North
> America.

Monza!  But none of the oval has been used in a very long time.  

When they used the Monza oval in 57 and 58, the concrete panels of the 
paving tended to rock under the cars.  That was Indy roadster versus
European whatever (such as D-Jags and Ferrari 4.9 sports cars).  No F1 
cars.

Chris Prael
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: pick6-Suzuka
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:01:16 GMT


[apologies to the Newsgroup for posting this here, but when I attempted to
 send mail directly to Ajoy Mallik, it bounced]

No, I haven't sent out the Call for Picks for Suzuka yet.  The Call goes out
one week before the deadline for picks (which is the Wednesday before the
race).  The Suzuka race isn't until late in October, so it's not yet time for
the Call to go out.

We administrators can be reached at:

	johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis, the final arbiter for Pick6)
	winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (yours truly, assistant administrator)
	potamian@hplsjp.hp.com (Spyros Potamianos, assistant administrator)

--PSW
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mr Versatile:  Andretti? Hmmmm ....
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:10:00 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Patrick Michael Hayes writes:

>	According to UPI sources, Mario Andretti just won an
>award called "Driver of the Quarter Century" or something like
>that.  The press clip mentions Mario is the only driver to
>garner (I like that word) wins in F1, USAC dirt and pavement,
>NASCAR, and Indycar all together.
>	Mario "beat out" The King and AJ, among others. The award
>was presented tonite in Charlotte.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, I have alot of respect
for his accomplishments.  If the award is based on being versatile
who is more deserving? 

Dan Jones
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Motorsports vs. Tradition Sports (followup)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:19:22 GMT

I've received some good responses for my original posting
asking your thoughts surrounding the subject issue (why
doesn't motorsports receive adequate coverage, attention,
etc.).  Gave me plenty of ammo to build the article I'm
planning on the subject.  I'll share a few opinions I've
received:

- Motorsports (hereafter MS) is like World Cup Soccer in that
a lot of folks know it exists, but nothing more.  They may know
a few of the 'names' involved, but no details.
- In some cases, there's no cross-over between the different types
of series -- You like F1 but not anything else/You're a drag racer
but don't know about IMSA, etc.  I've found that almost everyone
who enjoys football is still knowledgeable of/like basketball, football,
etc.
- Sports journalists will generally report on what's popular.
- It's more expensive to get started in MS.  You can participate in the
traditional sports for free, in some cases.  All you need is a ball and
a field.
- Could be a culture/tradition thing.  MS is not as much entrenched in
the USA as it is in Europe.
- Your average, everyday drivers, even though they're in cars
(hopefully), still can't identify with race drivers.
- Even casual fans who come out to watch the most popular races, like
Indy or Daytona, still don't understand the sport.  Close racing up
front is the only thing and not so much the skill involved in making a
mid-pack pass.  Sort of like why Pro Soccer failed in the US - not enuf
scoring!  USA fans want a lot of points on the board, no matter what it
is.
- Somehow, you've got to convince sports journalists that racing is
worthy of attention (Personally, I've given up trying to do this - it's
a dead-end!)
- It doesn't seem to matter what area of the country you're in as far as
race coverage goes.  With the exception maybe of NASCAR in North
Carolina, it's slim everywhere.

Now, one more personal aside as a great, recent example.  The daytime,
stick and ball guys over at the all-sports station that I do PITSTOP on
had promised several weeks to bring Eli Gold (from MRN network) on for
an interview.  After several cancellations, they had him on the other
day, in primetime.  Now, what do you think the bulk of the interview was
about?  You guessed it, Alabama football! (Eli also does UofA football
and basketball).  It wasn't Eli - it was the hosts of the show, who have
all the power to direct the topic.  So now, if I'm ever able to bring
Joe Gibbs onto PITSTOP, I guess the main topic should be the Redskins!

Thanks again,
bob
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:25:49 EDT
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: MRN coverage of Charlotte?

In article <tlm1.718928929@Ra.MsState.Edu>, tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
says:

>I usually watch the NASCAR races on TV and also listen to them on MRN.
>My local MRN station had the race on Sunday all right, but it wasn't MRN.
>I think it was called the "Performance Racing Network (PRN?)."  Anybody
>have any info on this?  Does PRN and MRN both cover races, and my local
>station just decided to switch.  Or was this a one-time deal?  Kinda like
>how TBS and TNN are trying to emulate the good job ESPN has been doing for
>years.
>In my opinion, PRN was certainly nowhere near the quality of MRN.





        The only time I've listened to PRN is during a Charllotte
        race. They aren't bad. Definately better than Squire and co.
        I remember Eli Gould once mentioning the reason they don't
        do Charllotte races but can't remember it. Humpy maybe?
     Brian " C'mon Bill, make it two in ninety two! " France
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Michael Waltrip gets fine
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:41:45 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA


  As you may (or may not) be aware, after the Goody's 500 Michael walked
 over and punched Dave Marcus in the mouth. Dave was still sitting in his
 car on pir road at the time!

  Well NASCAR has fined him $500.00 and placed him on probation for the
 remainder of the 1993 year.

  Good to see NASCAR wont put up with that kind of crap!

 -Dan
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Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:11031 rec.autos.tech:13674
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Surface Area (was Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded: Help Please)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:04:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvrGqx.32q
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1av1igINNb2r@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:
>In article <bassek.718451041@vipunen.hut.fi>, bassek@lesti.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen) writes:
>|> 
>|> It ocurred to me that the formula of friction is F=u*m*g
>|> (u=constant of friction,m=mass,g=acc. 9.81m/s^2)
>|> This means that the traction is not depending on the area.
>
>One correction.  While the above formula is correct, it is a common
>mistake to apply it to tires in such a manner.  The reason for this
>is *drumroll* statistics!  When applied to the surface area you are
>assuming that all of the tire's surface area is in contact with the
>tarmac.  This assumption is faulty due to inevitable inconsistencies
>in the road surface.  The dynamic nature of the contact requires
>highly complex modeling,

So what is the result of this complex modeling? Does it somehow bring in
a term invloving the contact area? Does it tend to increase or decrease
the "apparent" coefficient of friction in the original equation?
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From: marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied)
Subject: Re: Frank Williams don't want M.Brundle
Organization: ASCII Corp. Tokyo, Japan
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:17:09 GMT

>  Well maybe Prost has vetoed Brundle.  Brundle is a very competative
>driver, in fact when he and Senna were in F3 they often ran together.
>I would like to Mika get the ride.  I am sure he could use the active
>Williams to its best potential.

	May be Prost will vetoe Mika also. He will do his best
	to assure no one is faster than him (everyone remember
	his humiliation when running with Senna!).


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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:59:35 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Oct4.221221.1511@schbbs.mot.com> CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
>
>As for the reserved ticket policy,  just 2 weeks after the race,  I received
>notice from Dover Downs that I needed to send in a 25% deposit by 10/31/92
>to reserve the same seat for the Peak 500 of '93!

  I just found out on the phone w/Dover (Friday) that you can reserve your
 current seats the day of the race! Like you I wated for the renewal form
 each year and then called. Each time trying to get an upgrade.

>Also,  thanks for the news flash in your other post about Junior and McDonalds
>in 93.  I wonder why the number is changing and where 22 will wind up.

  The #22 is staying with Maxwell House. My guess is they have number, sponser
 relationship already set in the fans mind and dont want to lose it. So they
 bought the number from junior.

 -Dan
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From: 881045m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Richard Muise)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: G-forces. Interesting car.
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:26:37 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose) writes:

>With all the discussion on G forces and speed I thought I would add my
>favourite car to the list, the Testarossa. Well not really the "factory"
>Ferrari Testarossa but the Koenig modified version.
> 
>Koenig Specials GMBH will modify your Testarossa for a little less than
>the original purchase price. It is specified as:
> 
>  -  4.3 Flat 12

I believe that the Tess. has a 4.9 Flat-12

>  -  Twin Rajay turbocharges using air-to-air intercoolers.
>  -  Water injection.
>  -  Special Exhaust.
>  -  Internal engine modifications including re-blueprinting of all
>     internals, special race pistons etc etc.
>  -  external body work modifications including rear "wind-tunnel tested"
>     wing, modified doors, air intakes and paintwork.
> 
>The real "stunners" are this:
> 
>  - Develops 530 Kw (710 HP) @ 6300 RPM.
>  - Top speed of 340 Kph (210 MPH)
>  - 0 - 100 Kph (60 MPH) = 3.8 seconds
>  - 0 - 200 Kph (120 MPH) = 8.4 seconds.

I heard that the twin turbo version made 1000hp, and 664lb-ft of torque.
There is also a lesser version with 710hp, with 1 supercharger and two
turbo chargers. The 0-60 for the Top model was about 3.5 seconds.

>  - Lateral acceleration in the range of 1.2 G's.
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Wouldn't be a bad car to do the shopping in, would it? :-)
I'd hate to have a trunk full of ice cream when I pull 1.2G's !!


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:57:49 GMT

In article <johnl.0a8i@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:
>IndyCar Racing Magazine's recent survey suggests only 21% of race fans watch
>racing for the technology.. 68% is consumed with speed, competition, and the
>drivers..
>

Do we dare speculate what the remaining 11% like?

-cball-
From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Rahal's '93 Chasis (was Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:02:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Oct7.150255.24734
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio

From article <71839246512645@c00484-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu>, by jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith):
> In article <5OCT199221582602@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu 
> (George M. Smiley) writes:
>>On a related note, how good is the Truesports chassis ? Rahal seemed
>>to think it worth risking next years title hopes (he has to be the
>>favorite with Andretti gone) on.
> 
> Will Rahal be using a Truesports chassis?  I thought the future of that was
> still very much up in the air, especially for '93.

Same question here.  Did I miss something?  Last I heard, Rahal would
be taking over the Truesports facility but there was no mention at all
of him taking over the Truesports chasis.  In fact, I got the distinct
impression that effort was effectively dead at the end of this season.  

Will Rahal be picking up this development effort?

>>(It will still be the sharpest
>>looking car with that Miller Genuine Draft paint job on it :-)
> 
> Yes, I agree very much!

The MGD team also wins the award for the best looking souvenirs.


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From: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy in urope???!!!
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:41:09 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:

> When they used the Monza oval in 57 and 58, the concrete panels of the 
> paving tended to rock under the cars.  That was Indy roadster versus
> European whatever (such as D-Jags and Ferrari 4.9 sports cars).  No F1 
> cars.

From books in the 60's, it was sort of a challenge match.  Some
promoter took a dozen (or maybe it was 9) of those things that could
only turn left over to Europe to show the world how much better they
were than anything else.  Nobody in Europe cared.  Finally someone
scared up an entry of three Jaguars so it wouldn't go down by default.

The Indy cars went around like bats out of hell, lapping the Jags over
and over then flying (or limping) into the pits for some service while
the Jags just kept tooling around.  And, eventually, all but three of
the Indy cars did not come back out of the pits.  So all the Jags beat
six of the Indy cars by merely finishing the race.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh 

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Davey Allison, Salesman
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:48:30 GMT

With a few minutes to spare last night, I was dancing through
the cable channels with the outside chance of falling upon some
racing stuff.  Up came the 'home shopping network' or whatever
they call that thing ("have your credit card drawn and ready to
fire") and lo and behold, there's old Davey Allison sitting with
the head salesman guy or whatever (is he like the sales manager
at a car dealership?).

So natch, I watched this deal for a few minutes.  They were hawking
all sorts of DA stuff - clocks, calendars, photos, cards, die-casts,
hat pins and whatnot.  Every once in a while, the sales manager would
struggle with a requisite question about racing, to Davey.  They also
mentioned that Darrell Waltrip had been on a few weeks ago.

Egads, I thought.  What's the world coming to?  Is Nigel next?

Btw, Davey mentioned he was running the Winston West race down at
Mesa Marin this weekend.

Well, I DID find some racing stuff, but not exactly what I was
searching for.

-cball-

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From: marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Subject: Re: Speed Comparison
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:26:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.023637.18178@moe.corollary.COM> garyl@moe.corollary.COM (Gary Lorman) writes:
>In article <Oct12.174726.15809@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> dan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Danilo Silva) writes:
>>I was watching a motorcycle race on TV and wondering how those bikes (500s)
>>would compare to F1 on a same track. I understand that a bike is usually
>>faster than a car (like 0-60 in 2.7 sec for ZX11), but F1 ...???
>>
>>Anyone ???
>
>Well, a few years ago, I saw a test (on TV). It was between a high
>performance street car (Mustang I think), A racing bike, and a
>Indy car.  They gave the Mustang about 1/2 of a lap headstart over
>the bike, and then another 1/4 of the track before the Indy car started.
>All started from the same starting point, from a standstill.
>I forget which track, but I think it was about 3 miles long.
>Well the Indy car passed the bike, just before they (bike and Indy car)
>passed the Mustang, which was several turns before the end of the lap.
>So correct me if I wrong, but I don't think any bike can match
>the performance of a Indy or F1 car.

In the other spirit but still comparing: Walter Rohrl in a Lancia 037
rally car with central engine and rear drive, 320HP/1000kg was racing
against some german speedway biker ( Muller, Mueller ) on a long
speedway track. I think the track was between 1/4 and 1/2 mile oval.
Speedway bike was faster at start so got the inside line due
to perfect 100% weight transfer. Rohrl tried on the outside for full four 
laps but could not do to much. 


Marcin
From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mr Versatile:  Andretti? Hmmmm ....
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:46:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: fang.Bvv599.yv
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL

Dan Jones and Patrick Hayes wrote:
>
>>	According to UPI sources, Mario Andretti just won an
>>award called "Driver of the Quarter Century" or something like
>>that.  The press clip mentions Mario is the only driver to
>>garner (I like that word) wins in F1, USAC dirt and pavement,
>>NASCAR, and Indycar all together.
>>	Mario "beat out" The King and AJ, among others. The award
>>was presented tonite in Charlotte.
>
>As much as I dislike Mario's personality, I have alot of respect
>for his accomplishments.  If the award is based on being versatile
>who is more deserving? 

If successful versatility is the criterion, Mario is probably the
most deserving.  The other person that comes to mind would be
Anthony Joseph Foyt Jr.  AJ has won all sorts of USAC stuff in a
variety of classes, NASCAR, IndyCar, and even won Le Mans.  I don't
remember him ever driving F1 -- anybody remember????? Also, did AJ
drive in any of the Monza "worlds" races in the 1950s?

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From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: %Brakes - technology - F1
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:07:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com writes...
> 
>In article <14OCT199217434199@utarlg.uta.edu>, b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu
>(George M. Smiley) writes:
>|> squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes...
>|> > 
>|> >--  
>|> >Also ,to correct someone's point : carbon fibre brakes do not just
>provide the
>|> >same stopping power for a lighter weight than steel ,but they dramatically
>|> >improve stopping power for any weight ....
>|> > 
>|> > 
>|> >Stephen Quigg
>|> 
>|> One more time, it is carbon-carbon which is used for the brakes, carbon
>|> fiber would pewter out at around 300 Degrees Fahrenheit. I don't know
>|> which publication printed the nonsense about carbon brakes offering
>|> superior stopping power that you must be reading, but, I'm tired of
>|> hearing this. One can build a large enough iron rotor that will offer
>|> equivalent stopping power, but, a) the diameter is too large to fit
> 
>	OK then, what if you build a carbon rotor the same size as this
>	huge iron rotor you keep going on about ? Surely that'll work
>	better?

I never said it wouldn't. The point is and always has been: No amount of
improvement in any type of brakes will dramatically decrease braking
distances in F1, rather it will dramatically increase the drivers ability
to lock up the brakes and go sliding off into the gravel. Another
point to consider, the iron rotor need not be that huge, the only
consideration in making it large would be to dissipate heat better.
In fact, iron rotors will work better than an equivalently sized
c-c rotor until a) the iron rotor gets to hot and warps and
b) the c-c rotor gets up to operating temperature.
I'm not going to post anymore on this because it is a very simple
concept to understand. If you still don't believe me go talk to 
someone who makes there living of composites instead of wasting
bandwidth.

George
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