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From: mahon@Software.Mitel.COM (Ed Mahon)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: What ever happened to Coney Hatch ??
Keywords: Coney Hatch
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:51:12 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


In article <1992Jul24.153731.6129@b24a.ingr.com> user@machine.domain writes:
>Does anyone remember a Canadian metal band called Coney Hatch ??
>

Coney Hatch!  Right on!  They split up a few years ago (just after
they finished touring for their 'Friction' album).  Andy Curan
(bassist who sang Monkey Bars) released a solo album (maybe 2?)
afterwards.  I met the guys a few times, and aside from being a
great band (in the past tense), they're real down-to-earth people.
Dickson has a great voice too (for the record...)!

Ed
From: bobn@hawkwind.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: HELP :  Best of 92?
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkwind.central.sun.com

In article <36438@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul11.020049.636@uwm.edu> leranth@miller.cs.uwm.edu (  T  ) writes:
|> >  I'm looking for input on what the net thinks is the best[or one of the best]
|> >  new cds of  92.
|>   Mine would have to be:

|> 	1) Dream Theater - Images and Words

No doubt !    Just picked this up the other day and it is one of the
finest CD's I have heard in a *long* time.  DT satisfies all the
unfulfilled promises of Queeensryche and Fates Warning.  I hope these
guys have enough success to turn out more work - their stuff doesn't
seem to lend itself to FM or MTV.  If "Hold Me Under" doesn't blow you
away, you have no soul.


Bob
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From: farrell@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: TV Documentary on Judas Priest lawsuit/subliminal messages
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:17:11 EDT

On the PBS series called "P.O.V." there will be a documentary
about the lawsuit against Judas Priest  where the parents of a kid
who shot himself claimed he was influenced by subliminal messages
on the album "Stained Class".

It will be aired during the week of Aug 3.  (you have to look up
exact time in local tv listings).

I have no idea was is the point of view of the filmmakers--
whether they believe subliminal messages can actually affect people,
if they were in favor of the lawsuit, or what.   Should be interesting.

Margie
--
Now pray for the vandals who sample and trample         | <-<-(Judas Priest)
Til this base condition brought forth demolition to all | OSU Physics Dept.
The slipping and sliding, corrosive subsiding           | in%"farrell@ohstpy.
And withered and waned til the world seemed all drained | mps.ohio-state.edu"
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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath Music Videos (was: Lets get Sabbath on MTV)
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 08:17:12 GMT

In article <1949.1076.uupcb@satalink.com> joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler) writes:
>
>You know, on the subject of Black Sabbath Music Videos..   What
>do they have?   Off the top of my head, these are what I can
>think of..
>
>From the Dio Mk.1 Era, I've seen a clip of a music video for "Neon
>Knights", but I've never actually seen the whole thing, or know
>if there are any more.

There is whole version of Neon Knights and then there is also video
for Die Young.
MTV Europe (at least) has sometimes used clips from 'Black & Blue'
live video (Nassau Coliseum, New York). At least Heaven And Hell,
Iron Man and couple of others.
>
>And of course, there's "TV Crimes" from Dehumanizer.   (Crappy
>Video, tho).
>
Master Of Insanity will be out on single here in Europe in August but
I don't know if there will be video of it too. I personally hope that
they put out a live video from some of their Brazil's gigs where they
had quite big audiences (30,000).

>Is that it?   What else is there, and if you've got any of these
>on NTSC, send me some mail, I'd be interested in talking to you..
>             
Lets put the 'Sabbath with Dio' instead of the 'these word' and 'PAL'
instead of 'NTSC', then I'd be interested in talking to you....

Free commercial for Black Sabbath mailing list:
Contact venom@cs.bu.edu and ask about joining it. (Leonid, I hope that
it is OK to mention this here...)

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Megadeth's Coundown...
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:09:00 GMT

< review of new Megadeth album>
>	o) The effort to write concise songs, leaves unfortunately not-so-good 
>	   songs lacking, which used to be covered up by guitarwork 
>	   (-> #1 #13)

Well, I read that the Daves try hard to keep their songs short and to the point
with solos that mean something (ie if they can't say anything with their solos
they won't say it) which is what I found more attractive about Megadeth than
Metallica, where Hammett has to play solos in every song (because he doesn't
play guitars on anything else on the album. All guitars but the solos except 
where marked, as you know, are James).
Marty is, as you seem to say (but I deleted) is better than Hammett, in my 
opinion. He's more original with his style. I don't think Dave is as good as
Kirk, but I prefer him because he's very brief and to the point and doesn't
fuck around. Good player.

philip
"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
From: fskks1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Shows in LA in Aug
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:28:09 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Does anyone have any big concerts in Los Angeles from Aug 7 thru Aug 30.
I know there the big show in Pasedena but are there any other ones 
at long beach, the forum, irvine, coliseum, or universal amp?

I was hoping to find out about some shows before I get there...
any hel would be appreciated!!

fskks1@acad3.alaska.edu
From: scam@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JOE JR. SAGGIO)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: LSD
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:42:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I saw LSD last night when they opened for Lynch Mob.  You got to see them. 
They are the most refreshing opening band I've seen-  I really enjoyed them 
alot.  I'm not gonna say any more because it would spoil it.  Lynch mob was 
really, really good!  Robert Mason's voice is just outstanding!  The sound 
was fantastic and they were energetic. The following was the set list; not 
in order;

	1)  River of Love
	2)  Wicked Sensation
	3)  Street Fighting Man
	4)  All I Want
	5)  Dance of the Dogs
	6)  Jungle of Love
	7)  Tangled in the Web
	8)  The Secret
	9)  Dream Until Tomorrow
	10) She's so Evil
	11) Mr. Scary
	12) Tie Your Mother Down
	13) No Good
	14) Cold Is the Heart
	15) You Gotta Lot of Love (and I want It)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: norm@sdc.com (Norm Nithman)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to Coney Hatch ??
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:45:34 GMT

I got a Coney Hatch 8" laser disc for $2.99 at the cut-out bin
at Federal TV.  It was pretty good!

Later, Norm
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: sharaeec@w210zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Aditya Sharma)
Subject: Re: TV Documentary on Judas Priest lawsuit/subliminal messages
Organization: ZRZ Technical University Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:56:16 GMT


The documentary being alluded to in these posts that seems to be showing on
PBS in America soon is probably a film called "Dream Deceivers" - the film
is about an hour long and was shown during the Berlin Film Festival earlier
in the year where I managed to see it.

The interesting thing was that the director of the film was also present
at its showing and he answered some interesting questions about it.  I'm 
afraid I can't remember the name of the director or the guy who actually shot
himself and died after the film was completed - whatever the case, although
the case as such did not have much of a chance of succeeding (parents sueing
Judas Priest), this is an interesting film because it shows the precarious
nature of how music *may* have the potential to influence people on the
edge.  Having seen the film and having seen how messed up these 2 guys' lives
were, there is a lot to be said for further scrutinizing parents' psyche
before dealing with the kids...

Anyway, I think it is worth seeing the film because the director even said
he just wanted to concentrate on it being a story of this family - luckily,
it is not about how music does or doesn't influence people; in fact, the
director was asked whether he liked Judas Priest (having spent those couple
of months extensively interviewing the band) and he said that at first he
didn't, but in the end did understand the "metal" culture!

Cheers,
-Adi
(Sharaeec@w210zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de)
From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: New Megadeth
Keywords: Megadeth
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:11:10 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Jul17.170421.11094@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>You know, what I'm seeing is more that the general non-heavy metal audience who
>really liked the Black Album didn't, but just Unforgiven and NEM, as I posted
>last night. I rarely see people talking about the Black Album aside from the
>two songs I just mentioned, so obviously it is those singles and not the entire
>album which seems to have sold out (although Metallica now seems to be just a

  Wrong! The entire album itself falls way short of what they had been 
producing. None of the songs contain any thought out leads (just little token
wah-wah shit leads) or any of the complex rhythm changes and song structures 
that made Metallica a great band. And the worse thing is that it took them sooo
long to ptoduce this pile of garbage. While other bands such as Pantera, Prong,
and even Megadeth are producing some of the newest and most interesting metal,
Metallica produces the most simplistic drivel I've heard from ANY of the great
metal bands still around. I'm sorry but if you're going to play in this 
musical genre it is very important to keep producing music at the highest 
level you are capable of. Losing support of the TRUE fans (the smart ones that
understand music!) is the worst possible thing they can do esp. at the expense
of commercial success.
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Anthrax's new singer
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:57:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul21.125751.24515
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <Brq4L5.JMt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>   I don't know if this is old news or what, but the new singer for Anthrax
>   is the guy from Armored Saint.  Can't remember his first name, but his last
>   name is Bush. (I think)

John Bush.
>
>   How is this guy as a singer, and do any of you think he'll fit right in with
>   the band?  I personally liked Joey as a singer.  Too bad.
>
To me, he sounds similar to their old singer Neil Turbin, but with a better
controlled scream-singing voice and on a lower pitch. I could see him doing
something like "Anthrax," or "Howling Furies," and even "Deathrider," as well
as "Gung-Ho," and "Caught In A Mosh." If they don't do the rap-metal thing,
John Bush would be a good replacement. My opinion. Joey was good.

philip
"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: giant@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (Warm it up Chris)
Subject: Wanted-->  Faith No More Lyrix
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:45:35 GMT


Anyone out there have the lyrics to Midlife Crisis???

If so, could you puhlease e-mail me them?

Thanks,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>--Chris             /\  What's in my CD player:                <   
>giant@wam.umd.edu   \/                                         <
>                    /\   Firehouse, 'Hold Your Fire'           <               
>   Go Yankees!!     \/                                         <           
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmeier)
Subject: Pink Bubbles Go Ape Artwork
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:58:20 GMT


Does anyone have any clues about the artwork on Helloween's _Pink Bubbles Go
Ape_ album, such as why the eggs on people's eyes and the dead fish?

Great album otherwise, was it ever released in the States?

-- Chris
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:19:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.030354.27027@wam.umd.edu> gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr. Death) writes:
>Im not looking to start a flame war here but I have a few observations
>that I want to see if the rest of the metal community agrees with:
>
>Has Metallica's bass area seriously SUCKED since the death of Cliff?
>I think Jason Newstead either sucks eggs or they are mixing there
>albums wrong. Also, I think after reviewing all of the Metallica
>albums with Jason and all of the Megadeth albums with Dave Ellefson,
>I have to say that Dave is a SUPERIOR bass player than Jason. Of course,
>Cliff B was the best (insert brief silence)

I have to completely disagree.  Jason is a phenomenal bass player.  Check
out his stuff with Flotsam and Jetsam "Doomsday..".  The reason you don't
hear a lot of trick stuff on AFJA and BLACK is because he was new for
AJFA and BLACK is just a lot simpler musically.

I never thought Cliff was that good, he just put a lot of energy and
emotion into his playing.  See Cliff 'em All for more details..

>Anyone agree/disagree/offer any insight?
>
>Thanks,
>Doc

-Rick
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: COUNTESS BATHORY lyrics!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:22:24 GMT

I finally figured out the lyrics to Venom's "Countess Bathory" (from BLACK 
METAL, 1982 Neat Records) more or less. I thought I'd share them with you.

COUNTESS BATHORY (Lant / Dunn / Bray)

Well come into the virgin's bath
Live a noble life
In the castle known to all
The Count's infernal wife

Seated by his presence where
There's lavish wines and foods
But one evening spreads his wings
And drains her of her blood

Countess Bathory
Countess Bathory

All day long the virgins sit
Feast on all his meals
Countess Bathory sips her wine
Her skin just cracks and peels

But when nighttime fills the air
One must pay the price
The Countess takes her midnight bath
The bloods of womens give life

Countess Bathory
Countess Bathory

(Countess)

Countess Bathory
Countess Bathory

Living in her self-exiled hell
Countess dressed in black
Life goes distant death grows near
The blood has turned right bad

The castle walls are closing in
She's crippled down with age
Welcomes death with open arms
The Reaper turns the page

Countess Bathory
Countess Bathory

Wow. Took me forty minutes to figure out a four minute song, and the lyrics are
not 100% correct, I don't think. Jeepers. These lyrics can get silly, but they
go really well with the music, so that's cool. My favorite Venom song along 
with "The Chanting Of The Priests" (EINE KLEINE NACHTMUSIK version). Notice
those of you who have EINE KLEINE that Cronos doesn't sing the last verse of
"Bathory" but sings the second verse again. 

Speaking of silly Venom lyrics, anyone hear "Muscle" from CALM BEFORE THE
STORM? (It goes "All I wanna do is open you up wide, put my great white muscle
in between your thighs")? My roommate gets a kick out of that song and wants
to use it on his girlfriend next time he goes home.

philip


"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
From: masproj8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MAS Project Development)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul24.030354.27027@wam.umd.edu>, gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr. Death) 
	writes...
>Im not looking to start a flame war here but I have a few observations
>that I want to see if the rest of the metal community agrees with:
>Has Metallica's bass area seriously SUCKED since the death of Cliff?

>Hard to say...what was so great about it *before* the death of Cliff?

>I think Jason Newstead either sucks eggs or they are mixing there
>albums wrong. Also, I think after reviewing all of the Metallica
>albums with Jason and all of the Megadeth albums with Dave Ellefson,
>I have to say that Dave is a SUPERIOR bass player than Jason. Of course,
>Cliff B was the best (insert brief silence)
> 
>Anyone agree/disagree/offer any insight?
> 
I have a few comments.  First, what do you mean when you say "all of the
Metallica albumns with Jason"?  What, "...AJFA", "GDR-V", and "Metallica"?
If you want a true example of what Newsted is capable of doing, get a hold of
Flotsam & Jetsam's album, "Doomsday for the Deceiver."

Dave Jr SUPERIOR to Newsted?  I have my serious doubts.  The roles they play
are different, for one thing.  Ellefson is obviously into the hardcore scene
(this is more than evident in his playing).  Megadeth, as a band, utilizes this
by allowing the bass to change the dominant chords in the background while Dave
and Marty are busy with their "flashy" rhythms (they, themselves, do not have
to go from a rhythm-based-in-A to a rhythm-based-in-B, etc.)

This make any sense to anyone?  Listen to the bass on "Countdown to Extinction"
and you'll hear what I mean.

>Thanks,
>Doc
> 
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Dr. Death    gisie@wam.umd.edu
>How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?  His lips are moving.
>______________________________________________________________

					The Vertigod Himself

PS.  I play guitar myself, and while that doesn't make me an expert or the
be-all, end-all, I can speak from personal experience (ie., playing Megadeth.) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:36:55 GMT

I completely agree with what someone said a while back about
the Newstead/Burton thing.

Jason was just awed to be IN Metallica.  So I imagine that
what James says, goes.  But to Cliff, it was just his band.
He didn't idolize anyone in it before he got in.  So he did
what he wanted, and a lot of the time I think his personality
offset James' (and maybe Lars' too).  But once Jason was in,
hmmmm, no offset needed, whatever you say, Mr. Hetfield.

So I think yes, Jason is a good bassist, but in Metallica he's
not _doing_ enough.  Following along with James' rhythms isn't
enough, I don't think.  And just going with James' songwriting
isn't enough, either.  Ah well.



s
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Budgie on CD??????
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.211556.29241@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>If you like Metallica, check out the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. For 
>starters, any Def Leppard before 1983, the first two Iron Maiden albums, the
>first thre Tygers Of Pan Tang albums, anything by Venom or Angel Witch.
>Judas Priest after Sin After Sin and before Turbo. Late Budgie stuff. See
>posts on this newsgroup for more ideas.
>
>philip

Speaking of Budgie, I've NEVER seen any of their stuff on CD.  Is it out
there anywhere??  ZRock must have it since they play Breadfan now and then.

-Rick
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Selling out
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:55:02 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

>>songs. You try playing Justice, 4 Horsemen, Am I Evil, Master Of Puppets, and
>>Disposable Heroes back to back and you see if you can play any more. Those
>>guys need a few three-chord songs to relax their wrists and vocals so that
>>they can play the stuff that most of us prefer to hear (playing very fast
>>makes your voice box and wrists and fingers eventually pretty tight, and if
>>you keep going like that you'll probably injure yourself). From the other
>
>  This is such a load of shit I can't believe it. This is their bread and
>butter (their lives!) so they should be putting in 100% and then some on
>every song. Segovia was 97 years old and still playing shit 10 times more
>strenuous on your wrists! Any jazz or classical player would teach you a
>thing or two about discipline! They didn't get where they were by playing
>shitty uninteresting slow ballads! The worse thing you can do as an artist
>is not try and push yourself as hard as you can; once you lose the edge it's
>difficult to get it back and you will lose interest.
>
You're right on all counts, but you compare a classical player to three guys
who picked up the instrument and learned by themselves and one tutored and
trained musician. (I think I'm right about that. If not, well, you'll see my
point anyway.) But you forget the mental aspect of it, as I did. After I play
stuff like my Beethoven sonatas or Chopin preludes (the really fast ones with
big chords that stretch your hands really big or the triplet left hand solos
running over the right hand eighth or sixteenth notes, maybe pianissimo
dynamics where you have to restrain yourself from the crescendo so that you
can make a nice sforzando without letting the whole world know what you're
about to do) I need a break to get my _mind_ relaxed. So I get to play my
Debussy or Norman Dello Joio or J.S. Bach or Kuhlau, whatever I've got that's
slow.

But then we're talking about (my opinion) the true music masters and rock
musicians (except those classically or jazz-trained) would normally not be
able to do as well as those who have had traditional training (if you call
jazz traditional. I guess it is, now.)

My opinions in a rushed post as I have to leave right now.

philip
"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy