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From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Coopers Brewery (South Australia)
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:43:50 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

Jeez, how many Aussies read this group?

*Coopers started out as a home brew kit (don't know how long ago) with
just the ale. It's still by far the largest selling and most respected
home brew kit in Australia, available in most supermarkets. It worked
a treat for me and I don't know what I'm doing at the best of times.

*Coopers is often referred to as "food beer" due to wondrous yeasty sediment.

*The other thing they do well is a rich, muddy stout. Not a gourmet stout
like the fabled Matilda Bay Brass Monkey, but the sort you sip on a mild
Saturday afternoon while trying to figure out how to re-assemble your
carburettor.

*Finding Coopers overseas is like a holiday home.

*Coopers lager is a new product. Good stuff, but competing slightly with
Cascade as the beer to drink with your prawns on a hot day.

*I heard they were taken over by, I think a kiwi company, but as yet the
quality hasn't slipped noticeably.

> but bigger than the microbreweries like Matilda Bay Brewing Co. (West
> Australia) and Powers (Queensland).

*I would hesitate to call Powers "micro". They're new, but pretty big,
filling an obvious quality niche by going one better than most of
the bloody awful large-scale Aus brews (Fosters, XXXX, etc).

> Coopers Sparkling Ale is, in my opinion, their best product.  It's cloudy 
> colour is due to the fact that it is bottle conditioned (i.e., yeast added 
> to the beer at bottling).  I was always intrigued at it's fruity nose - 
> reminded me of a pear!  I have not seen it much in the U.S. -- I once was 
> able to buy some in Athens, Georgia.  You will find other Coopers products 
> around, most notably their lager -- but I don't think it holds a candle to 
> their Sparkling Ale.

*ditto

Cheers, M.

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick)
Subject: Re: beer buying?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:39:26 GMT

In article <BrvA5v.H1o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> asimeone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  
(antonio simeone) writes:
> ok, i've read reading alot about how you guys are choosy about the
> places you buy beer, now my question is, what do should one look for in
> where beer is bought?  should i note on how they store it, temp.,
> etc..?

I think an important thing is to talk with the people who work there.  If they  
are knowledgeable there is a good chance they handle the beer well.  After  
that, you'll just have to buy beer and note how often you get a bad batch.

Brewpubs with liquor stores attached are usually very reliable (along with beer  
specialty stores and wine shops).  Convenience stores have a really bad  
selection, but they do refrigerate religiously so local unpasturized beers stay  
good.  Worst are grocery/drug stores.

matt dick
msd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mrpabst@blue.ribbon.ncsu.edu (matt)
Subject: Why Beer is Better than Women!!!!
Reply-To: mrpabst@blue.ribbon.ncsu.edu (matt)
Organization: NCSU Department of Brewing, Cheap Beer Laboratory
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:10:43 GMT


         52 Good reasons why Beer is Better than Women!!!!

1.  You can enjoy a beer all night long.
2.  Beer stains wash out.
3.  You don't have to wine and dine beer.
4.  A beer will wait in the car while you go and play football.
5.  When your beer goes flat, you toss it out.
6.  Beer is never late.
7.  A beer doesn't get jealous when you grab another beer.
8.  Hangovers go away
9.  Beer labels come off without a fight.
10. When you go to a bar, you can always pick up a beer.
11. Beer never has a headache.
12. After you've had a beer, the bottle is still worth 5 cents.
13. A beer won't get upset if you come home and have another beer.
14. If you pour a beer right, you'll always get good head.
15. A beer goes down easy.
16. You can have more than one beer in a night and not feel guilty.
17. You can share a beer with your friends.
18. You always know you're the first one to pop a beer.
19. Beer is always wet.
20. Beer doesn't demand equality.
21. You can have a beer in public.
22. A beer doesn't care when you come.
23. A frigid beer is a good beer.
24. You don't have to wash a beer before it tastes good.
25. If you change beers, you don't have to pay alimony.
26. You can't catch social diseases from a beer.
27. When your interrupted by a beer it's for a good reason.
28. A beer is always satisfying.
29. A beer gets lighter the longer you hold it.
30. A beer won't tell you its pregnant for fun.
31. A beer does not come with inlaws.
32. No matter what the package, a beer still looks good.
33. To cool off a beer, all you have to do is put it in the ice box.
34. All you have to do to get over a beer is take a leak.
35. Beer doesn't complain about farting.
36. The only thing a beer tells you is when its time to go to the bathroom.
37. You are never embarrassed about the beer you bring to a party.
38. Its okay to leave a party with a different beer than the one you bought.
39. Beer won't drive you to drink.
40. You can shoot a beer.
41. A beer chaser is easier to catch.
42.  You don't need a license to live with a beer.
43.  A tree is good enough for a beer.
44.  Beer doesn't grow hair where it shouldn't.
45.  Beer doesn't care how much you earn.
46.  Beer and "ice" don't mix.
47.  Beer won't complain about your choice of vacation - it goes along happily.
48.  Beer doesn't care if you go to sleep right after you've had it.
49.  Beer is happy to ride in the trunk of your car.
50.  You never have to promise to respect a beer in the morning.
51.  Beer never complains about a wet spot.
52.  You can put all your old beers together in one room and they won't fight.

matt "mrpabst"
--just when you thought it was safe to come back to alt.beer!
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sam Adams (was: Politics of Beer...)
Date: 24 Jul 1992 12:26:05 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Jul22.154859.25104@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.033541.4346@verifone.com> ken_p1@verifone.com
>>I wonder if any of the current or past U.S. presidents or veeps were
>> beer connoisseurs?
>
>Well, you know what they say: 'Samuel Adams: Brewer, Patriot'

   Just for the record, Samuel Adams was many things, but I don't
believe he was ever vice president, and I'm fairly certain he was
never president.  Before he opened his breweries in Pennsylvania
and Massachusetts (and Oregon?) in recent years, he was best known
for helping to "brew" one helluva large cup of tea.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
From: gibbs@mcnc.org (Vickie Lynn Gibbs)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re:  Sammie Smiths
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:25:48 GMT
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC


In article #5117 from Tony Travaglini:

>Well beer lovers, I had an opportunity this past weekend to try two of
>the many recommended beers I see in this group. Samual Smiths Nut brown
>ale and Samual Smiths Oatmeal stout.. I think I can say without a
>shred of doubt that these are the two worst beers I have ever had in
>my life. They were simply undrinkable.

{stuff deleted}

>They did both come from the same store and I suppose it is possible they had 
>been there for awhile and had gone bad.

These guys must have gotten a bad batch or something.  I also had the 
pleasure not long ago of trying the Samuel Smiths Nut Brown Ale, and I 
thought it was one of the best beers I've had!  It was smooth, easy to drink,
delicious, different, and quite refreshing.  I would not give up on the
beer quite yet.  Go to a distributor you know replinishes their stock regularly.
You will be missing out if you do not give it another shot!

Another couple I have tried recently and *really* enjoyed were Aass Bach (sp?)
Winter Ale and Old Peculier.  Drink and enjoy!!



*******************
Vickie Gibbs      *
gibbs@mcnc.org    *
Duke '91          *
*******************
From: hersh@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Jay Hersh)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:20:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:

>archiel@sun_archielcom (Archie Lachner) writes:
>>I guess some marketing types somewhere decided that Americans like to
>>buy imported beers in green bottles.  It is worth noting that the vast
>>majority of domestic beers as well as Bavarian beers in 1/2 litre
>>bottles are sold in dark brown glass.

>Brown bottles are only marginally better protection for beer than are
>green bottles.

Ahem, where do you get this??? This discussion has been held in quite
some detail on the Homebrewers Digest. In fact brown bottles screen out 95%
of light below the 520nm wavelength, the wavelengths most damaging to
beer, and most responsible for the breakdown of hop bittering acids into
the "skunky" mercaptan compunds.

Perhaps if I can dig it up I can post moer from this prior discussion
including frequency vs. transmission info, andinfo on the chemical reactions.
Suffice to say, brown bottles are significantly better at reducing the
rate at which skunking occurs (this can be as fast as 45 minutes in 
green or clear bottles under natural or flourescent light)

	JaH
--
Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalts
From: ijn@bnr.co.uk (Ian Normington)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Beer Fest at Olympia (London)
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:58:05 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Rd, Harlow, Essex, CM19 9NA, U.K.



Hi,
	I've just heard that there is a beer fest at Olympia, London from
	4th Aug - 8th Aug. I was wondering if anyone has any info on what
	beers may be available.

	For anyone who is interested the opening times for Sat 8th Aug are
	11am - 10.30pm (I think the cost is two pounds fifty).


	See you there,
			Ian
--

	Ian Normington

	BNR Europe Ltd,
	Harlow,
	Essex,
	England.

	email:  ijn@bnr.co.uk
	voice: (44) 279 402113
From: mrpabst@blue.ribbon.ncsu.edu (matt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: THE DEFINITIVE BEER QUIZ RE-REVISITED
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:35:29 GMT
Reply-To: mrpabst@blue.ribbon.ncsu.edu (matt)
Organization: NCSU Department of Brewing, Cheap Beer Laboratory


In article <1992Jul24.210545.27992@samba.oit.unc.edu>, WTP.ADMIN@MHS.UNC.EDU (Bill Pitts) writes:

|>mrpabst 
|>
|>Could you please post the answers to your beer quiz?
|>
|>Thanks.
|>
|>Bill
|>

Okay, if someone will repost the DEFINITIVE BEER QUIZ, I'll supply
the answers.

Cheers!

matt "mrpabst"
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kwl@po.CWRU.Edu (Kenneth W. Lux)
Subject: Re: How does light affect beer?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:53:45 GMT


As far as light affecting beer, from my knowledge of O-chem (not the
last word by a long shot), it would make sense that the UV rays in 
light are the ones causing problems.  There are several pathways for
organic reactions, each with different activation energies.

While one reaction may have a lower activation energy, its end product
may have a higher energy than that resulting from a competing reaction
that requires more activation energy.  Thus if a short burst of high
energy can be delivered to the reactants and it is sufficient to overcome
the activation energy of the second reaction, the reaction coordinate 
will follow the higher reaction.

Thus, if, instead of ambient room temperature (or whatever you are set at)
driving the first reaction (if any, that is the first reaction is a dummy
reaction with the same reactant and products) if the reactants are exposed
to energy in the form of ultra-violet electromagnetic radiation, (watch
out for infra-red also, water gets heated up quickly and may have damging
results) the second reaction will procede and produce the end products.

While this end product may in itself not be the bad tasting agent, it may
help favor a biological reaction that produces such a component.  It may
also inhibit a process which in turn inhibits a process which produces
undesireable products.

You should always keep in mind that there are thousands of different 
reactions taking place in any biological system.  These may be competing
and/or promoting and/or inhibiting each other.  A small change in operating
procedure may result in a "butterfly effect" that can significantly alter
the taste and other characteristics of the product.

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: tinsethg@ucs.orst.edu (Glenn Tinseth)
Subject: Green Bottle Myths  
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:56:43 GMT

In response to a PU-green bottle discussion> BRAB@UNB.CA (Barbora Deschenes or was it Patrick) writes:
>Dear gents, it's not a question of marketing, but rather a question of
>light filtering through green glass better than brown glass...for some
>beers, the chemical process is not complete upon bottling; hence, the
>green bottles. As for most crappy american beers, the process has ended
>far before it has (should have)started; hence the brown bottles.

Um, this is, well, wrong. The *only* thing light 'filtering' through a green
bottle of beer will do is skunk it. That is some of the hop compounds
present in the beer will be converted to smelly mercaptans. By this line of
reasoning, Miller in *clear* bottles must be the ultimate in beer and Spaten
and Paulaner must be *really* bad, brown bottles you know.

Cheers,

Glenn "Hey my homebrew is in brown bottles too" Tinseth


-- 
 Glenn Tinseth                                 Chemistry Department
 tinsethg@ucs.orst.edu                      Oregon State University
     Brewing all the beer I drink, drinking all the beer I brew.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dprcxa@edp.arco.com (Craig Artley)
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Organization: ARCO - Aept
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:45:18 GMT

In article <binkley.712532241@beagle>, binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
|> Of course, anyone who's ever seen Clear Creek, the water
|> source for Coors in Golden, knows the slogan was bunk
|> in the first place!  "Pure Rocky Mountain Mine Tailings"
|> probably wouldn't have sold much beer, though!
|>
The water from Clear Creek is only used for industrial purposes, like
washing and cooling, according to the tour 'droids.  The water that
actually goes into the beer is taken from wells (they call them "springs")
90 feet underground.
--- 
Craig Artley           dprcxa@edp.arco.com          (214) 754-6145
Replying to this message may not work.  If it fails, try the above.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari)
Subject: Help?
Reply-To: nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:36:12 GMT


Ok this is my first post here, and I was wondering how many of you
out there are experienced home-brewers. My friend makes a lot of
homebrew but he likes to make it so thick it looks like used motor
oil. He calls it doppelbock or something. its pretty gross.

Anyway, my favorite beer in the world is Samuel Adams. Anyone wanna
give me a recipe on making homebrew similar to SA? I dont even have
my equipment yet but am excited to get started!!

Thanks in advance!
-- 
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|___/ |    | \     |____| "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but
|  \  |    |   \   |    |  glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter  
|   \  \__/ \___/  |    |  the illusion of integrity." - Neil Peart of Rush 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ebccdes@bosun.ericsson.se (Carlos de Sousa)
Subject: October-festival
Followup-To: dsnhpl
Keywords: Munich, October
Reply-To: ebccdes@bosun.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications AB
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:47:34 GMT

Hi,
Is there anyone that knows when the October festival in Munich, Germany
is this year ??? (what days)
Thanx 
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From: chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer advertising
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:25:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <22JUL199215152027@sigma.tamu.edu> rkb6116@sigma.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>American pass this one up?!  What an all American slogan!  Budmilcoors is
>throwing their advertising money away on women in bikinis!
>
>Mr. Weather <> aka Ken Blair <> rkb6116@zeus.tamu.edu <> Aggieland USA

Oh, I dunno... I think I have to disagree on this one.  I mean, I prefer good,
wholesome bikini blond in my beer commercial anyday... Aw, hell, why not just 
one super hot all-American babe?  Sounds like a hell of an ad campaign to me...
:)


Chris
From: bfbrown@athena.mit.edu (Brian 'Cool' Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Taddy Porter-like recipe
Keywords: beer, stout
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:25:06 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

As a brand new beer-brewer, I was wondering if some generous brewers would
mind sending me some of their favorite recipes; I especially like heavier
ales and stouts.  Thank you.

-BB
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Dragon Stout
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:44:40 GMT


Greetings,
A local liquor store just put a bunch of Jamaican brew on sale,
for whatever reason, but it made for an interesting taste test...
Red Stripe, Dragon Stout, and Dortmunder(?) Union were the brews.
Dortmunder sounds more German to me, but I can't remember reading
the label, and the Beer guy said they were all from the same brewer...

They had the 6's on sale for $4.99, and as they ranged in price from
$6.99 -$7.99, it seemed too good to pass up.  IMHO:

Red Stripe : Nothing fancy.  Rather light, not much taste.  Would have
             been pissed if I had blown $7 on it...

Dortmunder : Tasted like Heineken dark, almost like Beck's Dark.  Well
Dark         worth $5, but not real distinctive.

Dragon     : This stuff was great.  Of course, we had already been
Stout        suckin' down the other 2, as we figured we'd move from the
             lightest to the darkest, to prevent taste anihilation(?).
             I'm going back tonight to pick up a case.  One of the few 
             stouts that I have enjoyed.  Sorry, I've tried many times,
             but this beer drinker cannot tolerate Guiness (10w30).

Just my $0.02...

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:12:21 GMT

In article <18630@drutx.ATT.COM> msg@druhi.ATT.COM (Matthew S. Graham) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.072158.12541@trl.oz.au>, calwell@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Calwell) writes:
>> 
>> My favorite was Coors light and Coors and on a trip to the brewery in
>> Golden CO they mentioned that the Coors had around 4% and the light
>> around 3.5%. On my return i tried the Coors which tasted completely
>> different, but had no % on the bottle. The others i tried here, Michelob
>> and Miller tasted as they should but said they had about 5%.
>> 
>
>This is a lament of mine, too, and I live in Denver. Fact is, Coors
>beer tastes very different ANYWHERE outside the brewery tasting
>room because Coors does not use preservatives in their beer. I
>don't know of any other mass-produced beer for which this is true.

I had read in the paper that Coors was sued because they claimed their
beer is made with 'sparkling mountain spring water' or some such, but
in reality, they ship a *syrup* to the out of state sites and mix
with local tap water.  Perhaps that's why it tastes different out of state?
So much for 'freshness'.

I would still like to tour their plant.


-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Highly Opinionated, Aging  and                      knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Perpetual Student of Chemistry and Physics.
            Write me for an argument on your favorite subject.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Phantom Beers
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:02:08 GMT

In article 1503@grivel.une.edu.au, sgreen@neumann.une.edu.au (Stephen Green) writes:
>For those who have had the dis/pleasure...
>I vaguely remember the existance of a 'Castle' lager from South Africa.
>But has anyone discovered any other (former) Russian or African Beers
>through the export market, in particular, anyone in Australia?

At the KQED festival a couple of weeks ago, I had a beer from Kiev
called (strangely) "Ruski".  It actually wasn't bad...I expected much
worse, based on the beers ("commie beers", my dad called them) I tasted
in East Germany, back when there was an East Germany.

---
gak
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: jargon
Date: 24 Jul 1992 13:42:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <76384@ut-emx.uucp> kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp (kevin brooks) writes:
| In article <1992Jul21.082129.24660@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
| jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
|
| [deletion]
|
| > Maybe the deconstructionists really do have something with the idea that
| > "Every reading is a misreading!"

Har-de-har-har.  In any event, it's just not the case that 
every reading is a misreading. 

| just a small note: "misreading" implies a (correct) reading.  

Perhaps not a correct reading, but a certain range of possible
correct readings.

|   the "jargony"
| word sometimes advanced in place of "misreading" is "unreading."

I would imagine that anyone who read Jim's article understood
that it was about jargon and neologisms.  Is it the case that
some people thought it narrated the adventures of a young boy
and a runaway slave?  That it explained how to program a VCR?
That it was an expression of love for a cruel mistress?

Xref: sparky alt.postmodern:2224 alt.censorship:6430
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.censorship
Subject: net.irony (was:Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court)
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:45:59 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Jul29.132135.6685@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.111014.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> crywalt@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu (Christopher Rywalt, maladjusted cartoonist) writes:
>>
>>	"Beware of altruism.  It is based on self-deception, the root
>>	 of all evil."
>>
>>				-- Robert A. Heinlein
>
>Thanks to the Starship Trooper ("shines the name, shines the name, of
>Roger Young") for clearing this up.  Heinlein uses (unscientific)
>introspection and looks within Heinlein to find disgust and hatred and
>selfishness, and generalizes to human nature in the large.
	So, how many of you out there in net.land noticed how wonderfully
ironic this bit of analysis is, considering the source?  
	Some words of Robert Burns come to mind....>:-)>
Chuck
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