HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rand@skyview.bison.mb.ca (Randy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: How do my tarot cards work???
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:40:38 CDT
Organization: Compu Team Systems BBS

A few years ago I was in Seattle port. I left the ship for the "market" and
ventured into a "occult" shop. Things sure were interesting in that place.
I never forgot it and am reminded about it every time a look at my deck of
cards. I purchased a stack of Aliester Crowley Tarot Cards. The book that
was included with the deck has been useful to a point. I have tried these
cards using the methods described in the book. The method I used is as follows:
                     ___                   ___
                    |   |                 |   |
                    |   |                 |   |
                    |___|                 |___|
                                           ___
       ___           ---         ___      |   |
      |   |         -----       |   |     |   |
      |   |        |_____|      |   |     |___|
      |___|         |___|       |___|      ___
                     ___                  |   |
                    |   |                 |   |
                    |   |                 |___|
                    |___|                  ___
                                          |   |
                                          |   |
                                          |___|


Can someone please tell me somemore about this configuration. I can
iterpretate some of the cards but I still am confused about read and
understanding the cards. I'm a new user of the cards and want to learn
more, so tell me what you know lets get a dialog started.








--- (Randy) a user of skyview, running waffle 1.64
E-mail: rand@skyview.bison.mb.ca
Compu Team Systems BBS
From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Cussin' (was: re: who do you kneel to when you pray?)
Date: 26 Sep 1992 06:33:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


	Well, I tend to use stuff that's mixed up enough to elicit more than
a few raised eyebrows, such as:

	"Jesus ate a can of beans!" -- lifted from a Steven King novel
	"Jesus H. Nixon" -- just really incongruous, borrowed from a fellow
former senior at a certain high school.
	"Frith on a bridge" -- from _watership_down_, one of my favorite
books.
	"Squirple!" -- my very own creation.  Taken from the noise that milk-
shake syrup at Burger King makes when you pump it into the cup. (I used to
work at one near Philadelphia, PA.)
	Just thought y'all'd like to know (or maybe not. pffft to you, then)

BB, and Read You Later . . .

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Polarity in ritual
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:09:51 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 61fab596ceee80fd639a10e22546c439

In article <1992Sep29.193756.24879@u.washington.edu> 
mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
>Does anyone have practical suggestions for creating public ritual that
>doesn't alienate les/bi/gay people with heterosexist or overly
>polarity-based imagery, while at the same time not alienating or
>excluding heterosexuals?  It's possible to come up with completely
>inoffensive stuff, but it tends to be pablum.  We need better than that.

I was worried about this at the Beltane ritual I wrote for Leona's and
my handfasting.  The Celebrate the Circle CUUPs chapter has a strong
presence of lesbian, gay and bisexual folk, and there was explicit
concern that we weren't going to make Beltane and the handfasting some
grand celebration of heterosexist imagery.  In response, what I had to
offer was "a faggot and a dyke are holding a handfasting to celebrate
the civil marriage they have had for 12 years, and you think its going
to be heterosexist?"  [That did get some jaws dropped on the floor, not
everyone had quite realized that both Leona and I were "queer".]

As a practical matter, we don't make any special effort to de-emphasise
the male/female polarity of the Lord and Lady.  We are also likely to
have a male invoke the god and a woman invoke the goddess.  So far, I
haven't heard anyone complain.

Public rituals are tough things to manage.  If it is truly public, there
is no way to predict who will be coming to the ceremony, and what we
have tended to do is to get as many folks as possible involved in the
planning of the affair.  I have specifically invited lesbian and gay
members to come to some of the early planning meetings so that there is
a sensitivity at the front end.  When there wasn't a real set of
planning meetings, we have had critical readings of the rituals and
reviews.

In short, have the les/bi/gay folk involved in the planning, AND have
some of the more sensitive heterosexuals involved.  To some extent, this
does involve a lessening of the polarity, and an awareness that there is
more of a spectrum or dialectic, rather than a strict dualism.

But then again, I have developed a rather strong distaste for binary
valued logic systems when dealing with human problems.

				Wolfe
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC         [use the maps!]
UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!wolfe   ...duke!wolves!wolfe    <Standard disclaimers>
Domain: wolfe%wolves@cs.duke.edu    wolfe@cds.duke.edu
    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Hey, Babe . . . What's Your Sign?
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:49:49 GMT


Lorrie A. Wood wrote:
> 
> 	Born October 3, 1974 at 5:18 pm in Cleveland, Ohio.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Happy 18th Birthday Lorrie!!! :)


Cheers,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: New Janis Name
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:53:58 GMT

corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

>In article <2AC949C0.15881@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>In article <29SEP199217552510@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>>>New name for Janis
>>>
>>>alt.pagan.big.mama
>>>
>>>8-)
>>>
>>>Tammy
>>
>>Howzabout alt.pagan.witch.bitch?  Or just alt.pagan.bitch?
>>
>>Blessings,
>>Janis 

>Naw. I don't think "bitch" fits you very well. Your insights have lighted
>many dark corridors for me. Even your flames give off light and warmth.
>I won't presume to give you any "title", but will instead be content to
>call you "friend."

Hmm, Bran is about to go into a thealogical bit about hir own use of Bitch, and
what it means in hir religion.  You have been warned. :-)

One of the most important Goddesses in my version of the Craft is the Dark
Goddess--the transformative, menstruating, Dark Mother.  The name I use for
her is Morgana, but in referring to her, I often just say The Bitch.  She is
not part of the Triple Goddess, who is the Bright Mother.  They are a 
complemetary pair, rather than opposites.  (For me, the Bright Mother and
Dark Mother are much more of a pairing than the Lady and Lord--of course, the
Twin Gods are more of a pairing to me than the Lady and Lord as well.  Each 
pairing on its own level.)

For me, bitchiness is not abusiveness, but is the raw power of the dark of
the moon, the bleeding time, the time when we are in touch with our bodies
(no matter what our bodies are).  It is accessible to everyone in the world,
and the world is in desparate need of it.  Bitchiness is the power to say "HELL,
NO!" to an intolerable situation, the power to make the changes that HAVE to
be made, the strength to tell someone the truth when you really don't want to.

Janis is a bitch, and shows us The Bitch quite often.  I honor her for this.  (I
also work on being a bitch myself, to help the process along.)

It is the Dark Goddess (IMO) that is the Queen of Witches--it is Her power that
the patriarchy fears.  When we call ourselves Witches, whether we are Wiccan or
not, we change ourselves to be vessels for our Queen.  (This is one reason why
I *hate* the word Wiccan being used as a noun--it has no such power.)  There
is only one letter of difference between Witch and Bitch, and these words, with
the power behind them, can change us to help change the world.

[Blessed be Morgana, who overshadowed me during the writing of this.  I hope 
to have done some justice to her beauty.]


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,sci.electronics
From: medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Reply-To: medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:25:27 GMT

In article <1asfgfINNfd1@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:

|> It really isn't worth trying to cope with a direct hit. Lightning strikes
|> carry several kiloamps of current, and even heavyduty earthing cable
|> will simply vaporise, along with any other metal bits of your house which
|> are in the vicinity :-)

Not always true. I've had one confirmed hit on #6 solid copper that survived.
However, I've also serviced a (previous) aluminum ground wire installation
where the wire was gone, gone, gone (except for molten balls blasted into
the siding). According to a recent IEEE Spectrum article (which I'm attempting
to find to satisfy several requests), the bolt energy can vary over a factor of
1000.

|> (Lightning conductors on tall buildings aren't designed to catch strikes,
|> they are designed to bleed atmospheric charge away to prevent a strike
|> getting started. If they get hit, they'll vaporise too)

No, they are designed to encourage strikes on themselves rather than to adjacent
and possible poorly-conducting surfaces. There is some charge equalization
due to ionization at the rod tip. But, NASA research highlighted
in a National Geographic article in, I think, 1989 (I'll find this one, too)
brought out the fact that the local ground charge, dependent on opposing cloud
charge size, velocity of the cloud, etc., usually builds to the
point of breakover more quickly than the charge can be bled off. The NEC
grounding systems are designed to remain intact BTW, NOT vaporize.
However, you'll usually find them grounded with 2" braid. The
rods are generally replaceable.

There is a metal fabric available with several needlepoints per square inch
that is installed at nuke sites among other places, which the vendor
claims can, in fact, neutralize the charge difference through massive
ionization, leading to direct bolt protection.

Broadcast systems typically use 2" flat copper. It, too, takes repeated hits
with no ill effects. The tower rods survive nicely, too, with pits.

Dr. Barry Ornitz provided me with this lightning reference
which also looks at the optimum rod tip shape:

>> The article also debunks a number of myths about the "cone of protection"
>> and also about the neutralization of space charges

	Moore, C. B.: Improved Configurations of Lightning Rods
	and Air Terminals, "Journal of the Franklin Institute,"
	Vol. 315, No. 1, January 1983, pp 61-85, Pergamon Press, Oxford.

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Samhain at Janis's . . .
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:34:43 GMT

In article <1aba65INN5rt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood) writes:
>
>	Lovely!  I'm still a net.newbie, but I know I love the idea. But:
>
>	1) Where do you live?
>	2) Is someone driving through Clevelabd that could pick up me-my roomie
>(Jessica McGeary)?
>	3) Am I even invited (or her), seeing as we're not *real* bona fide
>pagans?

This certainly seems to have taken on a life of its own.  I can't
promise to put anyone up, but if you all suddenly appear at my place on
November 1st, burst through my door and carry me off for a hot chocolate
and Ben and Jerry's debauch, I'm certainly not going to call the cops.

Now awaiting the great migration,
Janis 

P.S.: I'm in Irvine, CA -- near Los Angeles.
From: smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Cussin' (was: re: who do you kneel to when you pray?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:26:27 GMT
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Posted-From: pace2.cts.mtu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

This probably doesn't belong on alt.pagan, but what the hell, I can't
resist...

In article <1a108bINN9qa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood) writes:
>	Well, I tend to use stuff that's mixed up enough to elicit more than
>a few raised eyebrows, such as:

>	"Jesus ate a can of beans!" -- lifted from a Steven King novel

I went on a Steven King binge back when I was in junior high--I read all of
his then-published books I could get my hands on.  By far my favorite
King-curse was (source unknown):

"John Q. Jesus Johnnycake Christ on a jumped-up chariot-driven crutch!"

It seems a little awkward to use with much frequency, though, I dunno...

Speaking of Steven King, I'll say in passing that his book "It" contains
snatches of the most beautiful, emotion-charged prose I've ever read.

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talk...Is it evil?  Good?  Or just a GEEK!"                smmcafee@mtu.edu
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:29:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <Rs7wRB16w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
 ^^^^^^^^
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)
>
>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...
>
>                                             -ailsa

Hi, Ailsa,

Talk about your coincidences: I was born 10/15/54 at 10 PM or so,
*in the middle of Hurricane Hazel*, in... Wilmington, Delaware!

Been a long road from there to here.

Blessings,

Richard
(Tuneweaver)

       Babies are born in a Circle of the Sun,
       Circle of the Sun on their Birthing Day
       Babies are born in a Circle of the Sun,
       Circle of the Sun on their Birthing Day
           Clouds to the North, Clouds to the South,
           Wind and Rain to the East and the West.
           Babies are born in a Circle of the Sun,
           Circle of the Sun on their Birthing Day.

       From "Circle of the Sun", by Sally Rogers
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: cats and magic
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:42:12 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:
: 
: Does anyone else have cat stories to share?
: 
: Lynne
: ------------
: lynne@hpnst.mayfield.hp.com<<


There are two very interesting books I think you might find fascinating
..that is if you don't have them already. They are:

         CULT OF THE CAT by Patricia Dale-Green  (weathervane books, N.Y.)

and     THE CAT IN THE MYSTERIES OF RELIGION AND MAGIC by M.Oldfield Howey
        (C.E.Tuttle co. Rutland,Vermont& Tokyo, Japan)

                            ****************

"What wouldst thou have with me?
Good king of cats, nothing but one
                  of your nine lives."
(Romeo and Juliet, III,1)

Eshin-Fun

: 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:02:52 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

>> In article <80473@ut-emx.uucp>, amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harw
>> >
>> >Janis, have I mentioned recently I think you're really cool?
>> >
>>
>> Maybe we ought to consider having an alt.pagan get together some
>> sabbat.  We could have it at Janis' location so we could all meet
>> her "in the flesh" ;-)
>>
>> new name for Janis
>> alt.pagans.big.sis
>>
>um, i think if we compared birthdates, janis would be a little
>sister, but that's cool.  i have a couple of littel sisters, always
>room for one more...

>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)

>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...

January 26, 1966 in Hannover in northern Germany (West). That makes me
an Aquarian, but that's all I know. Feel free to tell me more.

I'm an extreme individualist. A teacher of mine once called me
facettist -- meaning that I wanted to see every facett of every issue. 

--Ceci (Winter is all bad, though.)
--
=====ceci@lysator.liu.se===========================================
"water-colour n. artists' paint mixed with water (not oil);"
                    From _The_Oxford_Guide_to_the_English_Language_
===================================================================
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:48:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.175151.293@radian.uucp> markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
>In article <lch7osINN2g8@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep29.174908.19760@radian.uucp>, markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
>> > 
>> > Actually, Iwonder, if there is such a thing as reincarnation, if you
>> > have a choice nowadays, since there are more people alive, *now* than
>> > have *ever* lived. Or are there just *lots* of first-timers?
>> 
>> My theory is that it's linked to how much fewer animals there are now.  Most
>> of the people being born now really should have been wombats or spider monkeys
>> or tree frogs for a couple of dozen lifetimes yet.  It explains an awful
>> lot.
>> 
>> Dawn
>
>Yes, it does. Just one question: what should Danny-boy Quale have been?
>							Quayle  

A Bugblatter beast of Tra'al.  Massively dangerous, yet massively
stupid.  It's a good thing that babbling moron is married, because he
sure wouldn't know enough to walk out of the house with matching socks
otherwise. 

Blessings,
Janis 

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Subject: Re: Scents
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:02:54 GMT

I could cancel that message, I suppose, but I'll just amend it, now that
I've got a reference book or two on hand.  Culpeper (in some undated
reprint of the Foulsham edition of _The Complete Herbal_) distinguishes
white dittany (Dictamnus albus -- I was right to doubt my memory of
the second word in the binomial:  it *should* be a masculine adjective)
from Cretan dittany (Origanum dictamnus).  What the current systematic
names of these two things are, or whether botanists actually count them
as two nwadays, I don't know, and don't have the reference books handy.

Culpeper describes them both as herbs of Venus, and compares them to
pennyroyal; he also recommends them for seizures, fevers, etc.  My
copy of Suzanne Foinard is less forthcoming about dittany of Crete ("very
vulnerary," she says, and that's all), but what she says about white dittany
\is much like what Culpeper says.

She says white Dittany "grows in warm countries, in the forests of Provence,
and of Languedoc, and in Italy.  Its root is used in medicine."

I was right, though, about the spaghetti sauce.

--LeGrand

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Sabean Order in Chicago
Summary: Ask them to create it then
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:30:32 GMT
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <1992Sep25.183928.29240@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <Bv4vKC.Cq9@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
>>mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>>: 
>>:  Does anyone have any information on the Sabean Order in Chicago
>>: (mentioned in Drawing Down the Moon and here occasionally)? I once saved a
>>: message posted here which mentioned a site where you could use anonymous
>>: uucp to get their journal in postscript format or somesuch. I have
>>: misplaced the saved file but I have seen it posted more than once. Does
>>: anyone have any information on it, the site, or them?
>>
>>see alt.religion.sabaean I'm sure there they would know
>
> There is no such newsgroup on my site (which also happens to be a
>regional backbone).

Then your site censors newgroup messages in alt.  (boo hiss)

I sent a discussion message out in alt.config about a month ago, and the
newgroup message roughly three weeks ago.

Talk to your site's admin and ask 'em to start honoring these things, or 
at least create this one.

--
Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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From: t00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: INTODUCTION
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:28:24 GMT
 <1992Sep27.211719.27940@ncsu.edu>,<2AC7304C.19572@news.service.uci.edu>
Reply-To: t00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <2AC7304C.19572@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.211719.27940@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>>
>>In article <0096119F.56E7C320@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>
>>|>      A delight to meet you! Ren & Stimpy, Anyone?
>>
>>"What'll we do 'till *then*?"
>>"You can play with your Magic Nose Goblins."
>>
>>HAPPY HAPPY
>>
>>JOY JOY
>
>And don't forget your Happy Helmet!!
>
>Blessings,
>Janis
>
>P.S.:  NO!!!!! You can't have my ice cream sandwich!  I've had it since
>I was a CHILD!!!!!!

> 
     
Log rolls downstairs,
Alone or in pairs,
Runs over your neighbor's dog.
It fits on your back
And is great for a snack
It's LOG LOG LOG.

It's LO-OG, it's LO-OG,
It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's LO-OG, it's LO-OG,
It's better than bad, it's good!

                                               Couldn't resist...
                                               Fledermaus


>
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