HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jason@Utah.Univel.COM (Jason S. Ehrhart)
Subject: Re: Snow, Snow, snow....
Keywords: snow-snow-snow
Reply-To: jason@univel.com
Organization: Univel
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:24:13 GMT

William Warburton asks:

|>  What type of avalanches are you getting? Are these "just" loose snow
|> slips or full blown airborne powder 300 km/hr jobs?

Well, (sorry about not being specific), but since the snow here has
almost all been of the 7 to 9% water density variety (very light!)
almost all of these are sluff or point avalanches, but there are
also huge slabs too, for example, on Evergreen (to the chair's right
on the Supreme lift near the top) there is a 13' cracl where a large
slab broke away. It was started via the avalance gun at the top of
the Supreme Chair. Most of the avalanches I've seen at the resort
are started with explosives. 

To follow up with more on the canyon closings, Big Cottonwood canyon
will open this morning, and Little Cottonwood Canyon will open
(hopefully) by noon. We have sunny skies, cold and clear, Snowbird
reports a 136" base at the Mid-Gad Lodge (mid-mountain) with 12" new
in the last 24 hours, and Alta reports 132" with only 10" in the
last 24 hours. More on the way for the weekend...

Also, I've found out more details about the Grizzly Gultch incident,
it turns out that there are 11 cars, with 8 damaged beyond repair,
they were all owned by Alta employees, the cars were perched in the
upper parking lot above the Albion Basin main parking lot, they were
all launched into the lower parking lot. Ouch.

-- 
jason ehrhart jason@univel.com
univel
280 west 10200 south		Perspective, use it or lose it.
sandy, ut, 84070   (801) 568-8529
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: What's the other percent?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:15:46 GMT

Question from a beginner...don't _think_ I've seen this in the FAQ 8-)

I'm about to head to Purgatory for a week (yeah!) and when I get the
report they say "692 acres - this makes 99 percent of the mountain 
available"....OK, I givvup! Whaddid they do with the other 1 percent?
8-)

jim p.
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
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From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Subject Lines
Reply-To: dlb@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Electronics (Dazix)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:01:36 GMT

It should be pointed out that the advantage for continuing to use the
same (albeit irrelevant) subject line for a given thread helps those
people who don't want to follow that thread and have already put the
subject line in their KILL file.

Continually migrating the subject line only reintroduces the subject
and creates more work for those people who could care less about the
thread.  By now, those of you who don't want to read about #2 are
painfully aware not to read "Re: Colorado Ski Report".

flames > /dev/null


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From: newcomb@aero.org (Robert W. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Park City - Snowboarding
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:19:37 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.aero.org

In article <LAUNCE.92Dec23184259@medusa.med.utah.edu> launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.182230.17719@pts1.pts.mot.com> CHARLES ACTOR X2922
>P7091, ep502ca@pts.mot.com writes:
>   >Where in the Park City area are snowboards allowed?  And what are the
>   >conditions like?
>
>In a recent article, I posted that snowboards are allowed at Solitude.
> 
>BZZZZT... Wrong.  Sorry.  
>
>But Brighton takes 'em next door.
>
>-- launce

ParkWest allows snowboards.  There is also a half-pipe in the new ski
jump facility in Bear Hollow (just north of ParkWest).

All resorts in the Park City area have gotten a couple feet of new powder
since around Christmas.
-- 
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Robert W. Newcomb
The Aerospace Corporation
newcomb@aerospace.aero.org                                     My opinions, etc.
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From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Info on Chamonix?
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:25:10 GMT

In article <PER.93Jan7123351@sparc1.mimer.se>, per@sparc1.mimer.se (Per Schroeder) writes:
> 
> I agree with Erik that the skiing in Argentiere (Grand-Montets) is
> more challenging. If you have the right kind of skipass, it is valid
> for the transfer bus between Chamonix and Argentiere (30 minutes?).
> However nightlife, shopping, etc is more fun in Chamonix.
...

Why doesn't anybody mention lift lines? I heard horror stories about Charmonix.
And how about the stone-age lift facilities? (I'm surprised that only one
was broken:-)

Frank
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:00:07 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 08/16 Phone Numbers
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Student races in Europe
Keywords: Flaine
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:41:44 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, noodt@solan.unit.no (Bernt Noodt) writes:
>We are some students here, who are thinking  about skiing some 
>university races in Europe. We have heard that there are a 
>couple of races in Flaine, France, March 19-23. Does anyone 
>know more about this, we would be grateful if you could give us 
>some more info about it. For example :
>
>1  Can anyone participate, or do have to ski other races
>   earlier in the winter?
>
>2  Are these races arranged  as FIS-races, do you have to have 
>   good FIS-points to get good starting positions?
>
>3  Where can we get more info? Adresses are nice to know.
>
>4  Where is Flaine situated? We have tried looing at a map,
>   but we couldn't find it.

I'm afraid I don't know about the races, but I went to Flaine
last year.  Its North West of Chamonix, close to the Swiss
border.  We stayed in some chalets on the road down into the
valley which were cheap and quite nicely furnished.  There are
shuttle buses until 11 ish in the evening.  The architecture of
the appartment blocks in the centre is very 1970's .
If you have any other questions, ask and I'll try and remember
more.

Andrew  Henry
bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: noodt@solan.unit.no (Bernt Noodt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Student races in Europe
Keywords: Flaine
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:59:19 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

We are some students here, who are thinking  about skiing some 
university races in Europe. We have heard that there are a 
couple of races in Flaine, France, March 19-23. Does anyone 
know more about this, we would be grateful if you could give us 
some more info about it. For example :

1  Can anyone participate, or do have to ski other races
   earlier in the winter?

2  Are these races arranged  as FIS-races, do you have to have 
   good FIS-points to get good starting positions?

3  Where can we get more info? Adresses are nice to know.

4  Where is Flaine situated? We have tried looing at a map,
   but we couldn't find it.

Any inputs appreciated.

Regards,

Bernt Noodt, NTH

E-mail : noodt@lise.unit.no
S-mail : NTHI / alpin
         stp. 222
         N-7034 Trondheim NTH
         Norway
From: aglgrad@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (A Garret Lisi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: The BIG CARVE
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:40:08 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdphu1.ucsd.edu

Snow junkies,
I tried snowboarding for the first time last week in Vail.
The first day and a half was pure hell.  I haven't eaten
so much snow since hanging out at that shave-ice shop on
the North Shore...
The third day was pure stoke.  I got on the right hill and
locked into the BIG CARVE.  It was like surfing a 9000 ft.
wave. =B-o
Now I wanna board.  I'm not a skate thrasher ("jibbin"?)
but rather a soul surfer searching for that BIG CARVE.
So, the $500 question is: what's the difference between
a freestyle board and a board just for carving and what
is the best board for a non-thrasher with a little room
for freestyle?
Lets hear it from the gurus,
Garrett

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Vail Lift Tickets For Sale
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:03:28 GMT


I have 3 Vail lift tickets I bought earlier this year for
sale; they cost me $40 each (it's $42 at Vail) but to sweeten
the deal I'll sell them for $38 each.  I'll also thrown in
a variety of other coupons which I have lying around for Vail and
other Summit county ski areas.  I'd prefer cash, in person - I live
about 10 minutes west of Stapleton airport so I'm on your way
to the mountains if you're coming in from out of state.

First come, first serve.  Send email or call me at work if you're
interested.

Andy Gerber

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From: rmandel@bu.edu (Richard Mandel)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Accomodations at Waterville Valley NH
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:56:32 GMT
Distribution: ne
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Can anyone recommend a not too expensive hotel or motel for a weekend
ski trip to Waterville Valley NH, or to Loon Mountain NH.  We are 
four including two children aged 5 and 8.  E-mail responses below.
Recommendations on places to eat would be appreciated as well.
Thanks in advance for the help.

Rich

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From: mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Please explain European Trail Colors
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:37:41 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1993Jan6.142349.5171@uvm.edu> waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes) writes:
>I have read many references to various colors, such as reds and blues and
>what have you, used to classify European trails. I assume that the colors
>refer to difficulty, as do the colors Green (easy), Blue (moderate), and
>Black (difficult) in The US of A. Just what are the colors and
>classifications used, and how are they standardized?
>
	From the Val d'Isere trail map on my office wall (sigh!):
	Green = Easy, Blue = Medium, Red = Difficult, and
	Black = Very Difficult. My only experience with skiing
	in the USA is one day in Vail but I didn't find the
	difference in classification bothering at all. 
	Standard? France??

				Cheers, Mattias

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From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: What's a shredder?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:29:51 GMT

In article <130090003@otter.hpl.hp.com> ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:

>What's a shredder and what's the etiquette problem?
>
>Is it a snowboarder?  If so why should they be any more or less dumb than Joe
>Bloggs skier?
>
>In Italy they have ski police on the slopes (I think they have the power to
>fine reckless skiers) Do they have these in the States?

You've got it: a shredder these days is a snowboarder, either a fershlugginer
snowboarder (if you ask a technique-obsessed skier) or a rad snowboarder (if
you ask an air-obsessed boarder). I do recall occasionally being called a
"shredder" before snowboards were used on the mountains I ski...the meaning
then was just "someone with no brain" more or less...well, a really gung-ho
skier, more concerned with steepness than technique.

The perceived etiquette problem is that people on one ptex monstrosity (ie.
boarders, those brave uniskiers are presumably excluded) are much ruder,
dumber, and more dangerous than people on two. 

I've never heard of anyone being fined by ski patrollers (who are not the
police you describe, at least in BC, but who do occasionally serve that
function) but people do have their lift privileges revoked, occasionally
permanently. Mt. Washington has a policy of poking holes in season passes;
when you have three holes, your ~$600 season pass is gone. That could be
considered a "fine".


-- 
Marc Sira                  |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca     |  "Your god drinks...P-P-Peach nectar!"
aa382@freenet.carleton.ca  '
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: Thanks for Vanity Replies !
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:43:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

    Thanks for the replies on SkiSaver ! I bagged it though, as 
beat up skiis are less likely to be stolen. So Saturday, with
the temperature at our apartment reading -6(F) we went over to
Saddleback and began the gouging process ! The wind was blowing
at about 15-20, causing much frostbite, but we got in enough runs
to 'break in' the new boards (Blizzard R30 ATV). It's nice getting
skiis cheap during the summer, it's even better when you try them out
the first time and actually like them :-> 
    For you New Englanders, Saddleback had decent snow, but most of
the expert terrain (the T-Bar stuff) is still closed. We're going to
opt for the Loaf next week, as they have more open...anyone skied the
snowfields yet ?

                                            john cloyd
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: senator@neocad.com (Bill Armstrong)
Subject: Re: shreder better
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:33:05 GMT

I believe Copper Mountain has instituted the "shreddiquette" program, rather
than all summit county areas. It basically entails handing out brouchures
with the skier responsibility code info and asks for cooperation between skiers
and shredders. They expressed concern over on slope feuding between skiers
and shredders as well as noting that they are many newer shredders who were
never skiers and wanted to promote a so called etiquette that some skiers
claim to exist. They also are soliciting input from shredders about their
concerns. It really isn't a knock or traffic cop syndrome towards shredders,
but a little bit of awareness. There are no special lifts for either shredders
or skiers only. You pay, you play, together.

Copper Mountain was one of the first areas in colorado that I'm aware which
has ski patrols on boards (planks, sticks, whatever) regularly. I remember this
from 3 seasons ago.

Deep Powder & Cold Shots

-- Senator
-- 

Bill Armstrong	senator@neocad.com
NeoCAD, Inc.	2585 Central Avenue, Boulder, CO 80301
(303) 442-9121
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From: psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Subject: Winter Heat Plus question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  7 Jan 1993 11:16 EST  

I just received my Winter Heat Plus boot warmers in the mail yesterday.  
Perfect timing, as we are leaving for Telluride in two days!  Anyway, as I 
was studying the installation instructions, they give two heating options:  
Option 1 was three temps of something like 100, 130 and 160 degrees for a 
max operating time of three hours, and option two gives three lower temps 
for a longer max operating time of 5-6 hours.  You choose one option, clip 
the heaters at a certain point in the circuitry, thereby making it a 
permanent selection.  

What one should I choose?  I'm leaning toward the second option for a 
continous supply of warm, not hot, temperature to my toes, which are 
perpetually cold (at least until somewhere around mid July).  

Thanks,
Maureen


From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:00:07 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 02/16 Alpine Equipment
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: frank@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner)
Subject: Re: SKI IN CHILE!!!!!
Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:43:18 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division


In article <1992Dec30.031126.5785@tolten.puc.cl>, mvalcar@usachux2.usach.cl (Manuel Valcarcel) writes:
> 
>     Te sugerimos que vengas a esquiar a Chile ,no es necesario que te
> cases,antes conoce a los esquiadores chilenos.....
> 
>                                         Bye
>  ps:Colorado,La Parva,Villarrica,Valle Nevado....

Bueno, acepto la sugerencia.  Puedes indicar donde empezar?  Mes,
aerolinea, hoteles/condos, etc.?

-- 

         DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine
            solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
       F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: European Haute Route
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:53:57 GMT

There are a number of books detailing the Haute Route.  For French huts
contact the Club Alpin Francais for details.  I havn't done the route but
understand a lot of walking is involved in seasons with poor snow (across
valleys).

David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mhatz@nyx.cs.du.edu (Raven)
Subject: Re: Ammendment 2 and skiing
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:48:47 GMT

>> Incidentally, the boycott seems a moot point, since I believe Colorado
>> ski resort business is up something like 20% this year?
>
>I'll bite. Where did you see that? Can you support this claim?
>
It seems the Denver Post or maybe the Colorado Springs Gazette telegraph
had an article saying that right now the resorts are kicking ass.  We've
had really good conditions thus far.

A point to consider.....

Atlanta in the state of Georgia where sodomy is ILLEGAL comes out with a ban
on travel to Colorado, and the next week gets fucking hammered by tornados...

Things that make you go hmmmm?????
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Killington Skiing
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:50:48 GMT

In article <1iiqo3INN2v8@hpscit.sc.hp.com> dianeho@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Diane Ho Binder) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Since I've never been to Killington before, I wonder whether some netters
>can tell me how the ski would be like for the 3rd week of this January.
>I'll be skiing in the weekend.  Will it be very crowded?  Will there be
>much snow at that time of the year?  I heard that Killington makes a lot of
>snow since it won't have much snow!  Would that be too icy to ski?
>Thanks for any info.

Umm...real crowded. I'm going to be there next week also(which is almost
this week since I'm leaving on Sunday 1/10) and I found out that its 
going to be a college week. I've never been there before myself, but
I'd expect lots of dorks, long lines, lots of bowheads,fratboys, etc.
But hey, its Killington, it looks huge and its skiing, so it should be
pretty cool.

---Steve
>Diane
>
>


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes)
Subject: Please explain European Trail Colors
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:23:49 GMT

I have read many references to various colors, such as reds and blues and
what have you, used to classify European trails. I assume that the colors
refer to difficulty, as do the colors Green (easy), Blue (moderate), and
Black (difficult) in The US of A. Just what are the colors and
classifications used, and how are they standardized?

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Marcie Becker <becker@osf.org>
Subject: Boston ski club?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76DB8BB7F08082E@alimac36.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:49:47 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:43:48 GMT

Is there a Boston Ski Club or other joinable group of skiers in the
Boston/NH/VT area? I am looking for frequent ski partners, am wondering
who's out there.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fahje@cvdv80.mayo.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ammendment 2 and skiing
Reply-To: mfahje@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:23:04 GMT





>This group is about skiing, skiing anywhere!  The ammendment 2 issue
>can be debated in many other groups.  Whether you choose to ski in 
>Colorado or not and why or why not is YOUR BUSINESS.  Keep off-topic
>political bullshit out of this area!  Thanks!

I agree.  Isn't it about time this group taked about skiing?

I'd rather read about snowboarding!!

Martin H. Fahje                              Internet: mfahje@mayo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu (Dale R. Pierson)
Subject: one more try...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:07:30 GMT

From pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu Tue Jan 12 14:55 CST 1993
Received: by student.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:54:06 -0600
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:54:06 -0600
From: pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu
To: pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu
Subject: Re: repost- need info on instructing jobs
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Organization: University of Minnesota
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Status: R

I am going out west ( CO UT or MT) for the winter of 93-94 and would like
some info on the best areas to teach at.  I am a Level II cert. instructor
and I would like to here from others on how much they make.  I would like
to work full time so I wouldn't have to take a second job. Also tell me
about any experiences that might help me find a place to live and an area
to work at.  Thanks!!!
	Please Email me  at pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu 
				
				-Dale-
  


From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:34:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to go outside France
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.