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From: ekl@fics.uucp
Subject: Re: Recursive folders?
Organization: Kvam data as
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:32:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.180746.19762@cs.umn.edu> joiner@cs.umn.edu (Jay Joiner) writes:
>In <1992Jul17.192838.4613@math.ufl.edu> sorrow@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>
>>The WinNT SDK Reference does not mention if the Windows GUI will support
>>folders in folders....someone tell me that if it has multi-threading
>>capabilities, it can have folders within folders!
>
>Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what multi-threading has
>to do with folders.  The former is a CPU scheduling feature, and the
>latter is a file system feature.  I assume by folders you mean directories.
>FAT, HPFS, and NTFS (presumably) all allow nested, tree-structured 
>directories, so what's the big deal?
>
>Jay Joiner
>Univ of MN

The "folders in folders" feature mentioned is probably the ability to
*show* the filesystem hierarchically, like on the Mac or under os/2 2.0.

I do not believe this is scheduled for the first release of NT. Rather,
I understand (guess may be the right word...) that this is part of
what Cairo is all about.

Eirik Lygre
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: debeaupr@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Beaupre)
Subject: Full installation Reqs of NT
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:44:20 GMT

What is the disk requirements (MBs) of a full installation of Windows NT?
Does that include the full SDK with compiler?

Also is the compiler both C/C++ compliant?

Just thought I'd ask, I am expecting my beta copy any day now.

Type to ya later...
Dave

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: uupc-nt location?
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:19:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Followup-To: pd-tools@microsoft.com

In article <SXMRP.4.0@orca.alaska.edu> SXMRP@orca.alaska.edu (Michael R. Platzke) writes:
>About a week ago it posted that uupc was available for NT.  I wrote the
>author and he told me it was available at ftp.uu.net in the /tmp directory.
>However, since that time, the file has been moved.  Does anyone know the
>location of the file now?  If not, would it be possible to get the file
>uploaded to CICA?  CICA now has a nt directory in the win3 section, I assume
>that it is intended for MS windows NT program.

Please contact pd-tools@microsoft.com - I'm not sure of the state of the
uupc port - its working, but needs more work to complete the associated
pieces, and I know they're looking for volunteers/helpers - I'm sure
that the code can be made available to you

Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: WinNT requirements
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:25:30 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-30-92 17:49
Could someone post the minimum requirements for WinNT what platforms
that NT is going to be ported to?  It would also be appreciated if
someone posted a realistic requirements list (as if ANY software
publisher puts out a realistic list).

Thanks
Vic
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From: jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NTFS features - Drive Names?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:58:55 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: UB

Does this new system get rid of those nasty drive letters.  IE, being
able to use label names of drives like sys: and Engineering: rather
than to have to map them to Z: and Y:.  

I sure hope so, this and long file names is what will sell me on NT.


-- 
--Jon-J-Allen--jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu--Computer-Science--SUNY-@-Buffalo-NY--
 "There's no communication left between us.  But is it me or you
  who's to blame? " - SUPERTRAMP
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: dlee@usc.edu (David J. Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: support for B0 and B1 step 386
Date: 25 Jul 1992 10:19:24 -0700
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

The July release of NT does not run on B0 and B1 step 386 chips.  Will
these chips be supported in future releases of NT?  It was kind of a
drag to install NT then not be able to boot.

Does anyone know what is wrong with these chips?

.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: ryanm@milton.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly)
Subject: ZIPed Postscript file NTWN32.ZIP on FTP.UU.NET...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:00:48 GMT

I downloaded the ZIPed postscript file on FTP.UU.NET called NTWN32.ZIP but my  
version of PKUNZIP finds that it is not a zip file.  What version do I need to 
unzip the bugger.  I think the version I used was 2.0 or the next one 
down.  Respond via email please.  Thanks!

--Ryan

*******************************************************************************
Ryan McNeilly

Internet: ryanm@u.washinton.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: Hard Drive Requirements???
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:26:38 GMT

pickrell@hoss.unl.edu (Andrew Pickrell) writes:
> I haven't touched or even seen Windows NT with my own eyes, but I
> have 1 question which I hope can be answered.
> 
> Why does everyone keep talking about a 20meg min for the swapfile???
> I am a single user who will?? be running NT with 16megs of ram and
> no network stuff.  Will I have to devote 20megs of hard drive to a
> swapfile which I should never have to touch.  Also, is the swapfile
> able to change size on the fly IF I needed more virtual memory?
> 
I don't know enough about the NT virtual memory implementation to answer
that question.  Yes, the documentation says that the swapfile can grow
if it needs to.  The 20 meg minimum is stated because it is needed for
NT to initially come up.  There is no mechanism in place at that time to
grow the swapfile and the systems dies gracelessly.  I know that my
system, which has 12 meg of memory, has no free pages at the time NT
comes up.  However, the virtual memory manager somehow manages to free
about 4 meg of memory in a few minutes.  BTW, I have no network stuff
running.

Vince
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: moncrg@iear.arts.rpi.edu (gregory d moncreaff)
Subject: july 27 pc-week beats on beta of win nt
Organization: the committee for asethetic deletions
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:18:30 GMT

while the first nt-beta release was acurately
described as a 'pre-beta release' there are
still some concerns that pc-week raised in
its thrashing of win nt that should be 
addressed (limited hardware support, dos/win16
compatability, windowed dos sessions, etc)

has microsoft reduced its commitment to nt?
what significant improvements will be seen
between the current and next beta (or
pre-beta #2) release?


-- 
gregory d moncreaff moncrg@iear.arts.rpi.edu moncrg@rpi.edu 
From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:47:42 GMT
Subject: NT and Video Cards
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

I'm ordering an Intel-based PC for use with Windows NT and I would like
to get opinions on video cards.  The two that I'm looking at are:

   ATI Graphics Ultra
   Diamond Speed Star Stealth VRAM

I'm also wondering whether anyone has been successful using them with
the current version of Windows NT.  Can Windows NT run them SVGA mode or
are they limited to regular VGA mode?

My requirements are at least 1024x768 with 256 colors.  My monitor will
go up to 1280x1024 at 60Hz non-interlaced, but 1024x768 is fine for now.

Thanx.

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
From: romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: PLEASE will someone confirm or deny
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:55:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: asylum.346

sorrow@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>I cannot install NT on my system due to a lack of a CD-ROM, but before
>I make my decision, I would like to know if NT supports the SoundBlaster
>Pro's CD drive....this is VERY important, since if it doesn't I will 
>have to forego the SBPro and get a SCSI adapter....the documentation
>states that only SCSI CD-ROM drives are supported, but the hardware
>comptibility information lists several non-SCSI CD-ROM drives
>as compatible.

You can *install* NT from any CD-ROM drive that you can access from MS-DOS
with ISO 9660 support (ie: MSCDEX). However, once it's running, NT will only
recognize certain CD-ROM/SCSI controller combinations, and the SBPro's
controller isn't SCSI.

To install NT from a non-supported CD-ROM/SCSI combination, you just run a
batch file from the CD-ROM under DOS, which will install the flexboot program
and copy the NT files to your hard drive and set up a few things. Then
follow the directions and edit a few files and try booting NT. I haven't
actually gotten NT to work yet, but I think it's because it doesn't like
my VGA card; I'm going to try it with a different (supported) card soon.

I installed NT this way from a supported NEC CD-ROM drive hooked up to an
unsupported NEC SCSI card.

The gist of it is, you don't need a supported SCSI card to install it, but
you do if you want to access a CD-ROM or other SCSI device from within NT.
-- 
	- john romkey	  ELF Communications	 romkey@ELF.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Internationalization Win32/NT
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:16:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul21.171108.2942@b11.b11.ingr.com> kung@kung32.b11.ingr.com (Michael Kung) writes:
>
>The Win32/NT developer release do not contain any modules for localization.
>
>What will be the tools I can use for the Asian market?

The first release of Windows NT is aimed at the European languages - Microsoft
Japan should be contacted for those who want to regisiter their interest in
the pre-release program for the Japanese version of Windows NT, which will
include more tools for that market. Of course, Unicode, which is included
in all releases of Windows NT, is itself a significant localization
feature. yukim@microsoft.com is a suitable contact in Japan for
developers

-- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: pickrell@hoss.unl.edu (Andrew Pickrell)
Subject: Hard Drive Requirements???
Summary: Why is 20megs the min. swap file??
Keywords: windows nt, hard drive, swap file
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:37:43 GMT

I haven't touched or even seen Windows NT with my own eyes, but I
have 1 question which I hope can be answered.

Why does everyone keep talking about a 20meg min for the swapfile???
I am a single user who will?? be running NT with 16megs of ram and
no network stuff.  Will I have to devote 20megs of hard drive to a
swapfile which I should never have to touch.  Also, is the swapfile
able to change size on the fly IF I needed more virtual memory?

--
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EMail :pickrell@hoss.unl.edu      | for the low price of 5 bucks...
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Can the NT CD be read under SunOS 4.1.1 ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:49:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul23.013920.674@vine.cp10.es.xerox.com> hamilton@vine.cp10.es.xerox.com (Bruce A. Hamilton) writes:
>I haven't yet bought a CD-ROM drive for my PC, but I just ordered the NT CD-ROM.  Will I be able to read it under SunOS 4.1.1b?  Yes I have /pcfs in the kernel.  If I can read it under SunOS, it will be easier to print the documentation on various high-speed PostScript printers at work.

The Win32 SDK is on a ISO 9660 cd-rom, and is therefore readable
by any OS that support ISO 9660 - I think that SunOS & Macintosh
both do this -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: DLL questions
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:02:33 GMT

pbrooks@mentorg.com (Phil Brooks) writes:
> I have a couple of questions concerning dll's on Windows/NT:
> 
> Can one dll call another directly?  i.e. if I have a.dll and b.dll
> and a.dll has a function a_func() which is an imported function in
> b.dll, can b.dll call a_func() and get the function in a.dll?
> 
> How are hierarchies of link time dll's initialized (LibMain)?  If
> I have a hierarchy of dll's that are specified at link time:
> 
> 
>                 main()
>                 /    \
>              aa.dll   bb.dll
>              /    \       \
>            cc.dll   \     dd.dll
>                       \    /
>                        ee.dll
> 
> In what order are the LibMain functions called for this hierarchy?
> 
> -- 
> Phil Brooks

My understanding of DLLs doesn't have any hierarchy involved.  If the
DLL is specifyed via a full pathname, then that determines the only
DLL that will be checked for the external reference.  If only the
name of the DLL is used, then DLLs are searched in the order specified
in the PATH statement until the first one that meets the criteria is
found.  I believe this to be the case, but I haven't extensively tested
it.

Anyone, please feel free to correct any errors.

Vince
From: patman@olympus.ctron.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT display drivers?, Debugging C++
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:03:52 GMT
Reply-To: patman@olympus.ctron.com ()
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.
Originator: patman@olympus


I have the SF-conference-CD version of NT installed on my machine.
I'd like to up the resolution of the display driver to get some
more real estate on my screen.  Is there a super VGA driver set
available somewhere?  I have a SpeedStar VGA and a CrystalScan 1024 N1
monitor. I miss the 1024x768 I get with my Windows 3.1 setup.

Also, how do you debug C++ code under NT?  The only way we've been
able to get it to work even a little is with ntsd, and even that's
painful.  Windbg is what we'd like to use, but it gets *real* confused
after the first method gets called, and you can't see any local vars.
Help!

Pat

patman@ctron.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Win NT and Lan Stuff
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:52:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul23.180709.14584@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> marco@hpmcaa (Marco Dalla-Gasperina) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I've been having problems getting my machine hooked up to our lan.
>First off: We have a LanMan 2.1 server that I'd like to be able to see.
>Is this the feature that is turned off in this NT release?  If not, does
>anyone have experience with getting things going.  The net seems to have
>installed OK.

You can see Windows NT servers from LanMan 2.1 clients, and you
can see LanMan 2.1 servers for Windows NT clients. This is in the
cd-rom you have - make sure you've got netbeui transports in
both your installations for this release - tcp/ip will work for
file sharing in the next release of the win32 sdk - the sockets
apis work now -- Alistair
From: hastings@scam.Berkeley.EDU (Mark Hastings)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Misc issues
Date: 30 Jul 1992 06:16:53 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu
Originator: hastings@xcf.Berkeley.EDU

A few experiences with the NT prerelease:

1.  I cannot get my cheapo generic serial mouse to work on COM1.
    The setup procedure 'detects' a microsoft bus mouse (as does the
    Windows 3.1 diagnostics program - mde?).  In any case, I have no
    problems under Windows 3.1 with the 'Genius' serial drivers, but
    I've tried several of NT's included mouse types (MS, Logitech serial)
    and they all fail to detect the mouse.  I never tried the 'dos2nt' 
    install.

    I used the 'NT Setup' program from the Administrator account
    to switch mouse types, but I never noticed a change to the files
    in \winnt\system.  Clearly NT's registry mechanism is more subtle
    than a simple config.sys entry. 

    But it is surprising how much work you can do without a mouse!

2.  My package arrived with a $41.39 total ($29 + $10 shipping + tax)
    I was expecting $69+, so I'm not complaining.  I just hope I am still
    entitled to the free future SDK releases (up to 1.0).

Thanks for any info,
	Mark Hastings			hastings@xcf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: joel@vthvax.tamu.edu
Subject: network configuration?
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:22:05 GMT

Has anyone installed using dos2nt and managed to get the network started?
I'm using a wd8013e network card.  I understand the control panel network
icon won't work, can the net be configured in regedit?

Joel
From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:37:35 GMT
Subject: NEC CD-ROMs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

I'm interested in purchasing a NEC Multispin CD-ROM drive for use with
Windows NT.  The model number is CDR-84 (internal) or the same drive
(CDR-74) in its own external case.  This drive comes with its own 16-bit
AT-style SCSI interface card.

My question is whether the pre-Beta version of NT can use the included
NEC interface card, or will I have to hook the drive up to an Adaptec or
a Future Domain SCSI card?  If the latter case is true, then it seems I
should just order the drive without the interface card and save some
money.

Does anyone have experience with the NEC CD-ROM drives and NT?

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Systems Journal on NT
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:58:33 GMT

fche@db.toronto.edu ("Frank Ch. Eigler") writes:
> dsantos@hprnd.rose.hp.com (David Santos) writes:
> 
> >The issue was July/August 1992, Vol. 7 No. 4.  All-in-all there were
> >pretty good articles.
> 
> 
> I agree, quite informative.
> 
> There was a quite disgusting detail in the article about memory management -
> there the VM port to the R4000 chip.  It appears that MS has decided to
> make the very powerful R4000 fit into the mold of the 386 by just about
> ignoring the R4000's native VM support (which is less complex than that
> of the 386, but is just as capable) and emulating _in_software_ the
> multilevel page table system that the 386 uses.  Presumably this was done
> in order to lift a lot more code from the 386 VM code than otherwise,
> that is, to shorten development overall time.
> 
> I wonder what kind of a performance hit this causes.  Is it worth releasing
> NT for the R4000 if it has inferior VM compared to other existing operating
> systems (UNIX, for example).
> -- 
> 
> -- Frank Ch. Eigler -- Comp Eng -- <eigler@ecf.toronto.edu> --

The abstract memory model, as I understand it, requires a 32 bit flat
address space per process, and protection of each process' address
space from other processes.  I would expect that such a model provides
the ability to throw out the 386 VM code and redo it with native support
once they've got the thing launched.  At least I hope that's in the plans.

Vince
From: Alykhan_Virani@mindlink.bc.ca (Alykhan Virani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Windows NT and SoundBlaster Pro "SCSI" CD-ROM
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:20:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I have a Trantor based SCSI board (Proaudio Spectrum 16) when will there be
support for this kind of SCSI board.


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: cd-rom/network support
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:55:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul23.155544.1@vthvax.tamu.edu> joel@vthvax.tamu.edu writes:
>
>I understand NT supports IPX, DECNET, and TCPIP.  Does this multi-protocol
>support provide a set of applications for their use, or is it just API
>support?

the Win32 SDK that you have has both netbeui & tcp/ip support - Windows NT
can support more transports, including the ones you mention, but they're
not done by the various vendors yet, and not in your cd-rom

If the vendor implements their transport in the streams environment,
or to the defined interfaces, the built-in networking will operate
over that tranport, including file & print, and RPC services -- Alistair
From: paul@natinst.com (Paul F. Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: MSSETUP problem
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:36:36 GMT
Organization: National Instruments

I am trying to use the Microsoft Setup program. A Tool to make  distribution 
disks with a nice installer. But I have run into a problem using the DISKLAYT2
tool. The problem: It flattens the hierarchy so when I install my program
what used to be in several directories ends up in one.

c:\mydemo\myprog.exe                            
c:\mydemo\docs\d1.doc
c:\mydemo\docs\d2.doc

turns into 

c:\mydemo\myprog.exe                            
c:\mydemo\d1.doc								;files move up a directory
c:\mydemo\d2.doc

The documentation is very minimal I might add, though it looks like it could
be a good product with a little more work. Has any one seen/overcome this 
problem. 
					Thanks --  paul@natinst.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32