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From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:10:37 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:

>In article <price.712329310@helios>
>price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
> 
>>westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>>
>>>I may have mis-read the original note.  I thought he was referring to
>>>those little toy pull-carts with the tiny wheels that you sometimes see
>>>advertised in windsurfing magazines.  If you have a utility cart with
>>>full-size tires that is a different story.  If have 12"-13" diameter
>>>tires, then I'm simply amazed.
>>
>>You may perhaps be amazed - I have 8" wheels and the tires are 4.80x8. quite
>>small. The trailer is based on a K-Mart special bought for about $160, and has the
>>board and mast rack welded on. Rated load 1,000; but there's no way I'd put
>>that much on it.
> 
>Is it possible that the two of you are measuring wheel size in different
>ways?  In "4.80x8," the "8" refers to the rim diameter, giving an overall
>tire diameter somewhere in the 16" range.  While I don't have a trailer
>myself, I know several local small sailboat owners who carry 200-250 lbs
>of boat, rigging etc on trailers with 4.8X8 tires and never seem to have
>problems, even on 1000 miles trips at interstate speeds.  (If you are not
>careful though, a homemade trailer gets quite heavy very quickly, and the
>extra weight may make a difference.)

I hope this explains our different experiences.  I think a tire whose
total diameter (rim+wheel) is only 12" would be hard-pressed to last
long at 70 mph.  There are probably other factors as well, like surface
area of the tire, thickness of rubber, etc., that might explain why my
small tires heated up quickly at 50 mph.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:47:34 GMT
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hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
: Cost of doing business, should be reflected in the advertised price.
: 

You'll get no argument from me on that!  I was just pointing out
some other considerations that didn't seem to be accounted for by
the original poster.

Running a small business is a lot of work, and not very many people
get rich by it.

: Thus the grocery store charge your for every bag you get, NO, that's the
: cost of going business. 

There's a local supermarket that encourages reuse of bags here in Boise.
They give a 6 cent credit for bags (paper or plastic) that you bring back
and use to bag your groceries.

It seems like a promotion at that price, and I imagine most people still
can't be bothered, but I think it's great.  (This isn't a funky little
hole in the wall, either, it's a large, employee-owned business.)
_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: BOARD FOR SALE:  F2 BULLIT
Reply-To: wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:53:34 GMT

Great first short board!  9'7" and ~130 l.  Carbon-Epoxy
A little dirty but NO dings.  I've been using it all
season (SF BAY and San Louis Res) and have loved it.
It planes very easily and keeps the plane through a jibe.
Thus, great board for learning to jibe on - I did!!!

$250
Andy Wolfsberg
wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
(415) 723-0315 (w)

(415) 949-2359 (h)


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:45:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.134657.18781@eua.ericsson.se>
Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt) writes:
 
>In article <etxkrjg.712247446@solsta-c> etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se
>(Kristian Jorg  TX/DKL) writes:
>> It is probably dehydration combined with exhaustion. Drink little but
>often.
>> Last time I was out with high winds and high temerature, with a 5/3 mm
>steamer
>> I drank more than 3 litres of water in a couple of hours. Even though I
>weighed
>> 1 kilo less than normal the next morning. The loss in weight is the
>effects
>> of dehydration. By the end of the day my weight was normal again.
>
>I am in fact always a bit worried to drink too much, since drinking
>usually results in a later need to pee!  I know people (both sexes) who
>have ''gone to the bathroom'' the easy way - yes, you guessed it: without
>taking off the wetsuit!  Since I try to avoid such a pee technique, I
>guess I only drink as much/little that I don't need to pee until the whole
>surf-session is over, which means I am probably always staying on the
>dehydrated side. The biggest risk is eating lunch with wetsuit on, and
>drink only up to this critical level. Haven't any of you felt this
>delicate balance?
>
I should have been more explicit.  When I wrote the above, I was thinking of
summer sailing on an inland land used to cool a nuclear power plant--water
temperture = 75 to 80 and air temperature = 80 to 90.  I don't wear a wetsuit
under such conditions!  Under typical wind conditions, the best sailing
typically brings you right back to the launch site (with its facilities) on
each reach, or at worst, about 1/3 mile upwind.  Its a nice place to sail IF
we have any wind!  Sorry for the confusion.
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,misc.forsale
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: '91 Bic Adagio Windsurfing Board $550 OBO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:24:56 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

Well, you've read about its exploits at San Luis, Rio Vista, and Coyote.
Now you can buy the board that survived the 90 days of Spring and the
first 60 days of Summer.  I'm selling my '91 Bic Adagio.  I'm selling
hull, footstraps, and Bic-issue fin for $550 or best offer.  The board
is in very good condition, as I only seem to get out about once every 10
days, and I would guess that the board has been sailed less than 30
times total. 

The Adagio is a fast board, and it cuts through chop very well.  The
dimensions are about 8'10" and around 105 liters of flotation.  This is
a great everyday board for sailing on the San Francisco Bay.
Recommended sail size is 4.5-6.5, but I have sailed it (well, survived
on it) in conditions ranging from 3.5-4.0. 

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Subject: Installing a dial-in wind speed system
Keywords: software, hardware, approx. cost
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:55:58 GMT


Does anyone in the net have any experience/knowledge
installing a wind monitering system which wind speed
can be access from phone call.

I have seen the numbers posted in the past for California
and I am wodering what does it involve to set one up
as far as software, hardware.

We get our wind information from the airport but is rarely
reliable.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:03:37 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:

>How many people don't experience these symptoms?  I don't think I ever 
>have.   I don't get much sailing in Colorado.  Once a week March thru
>June in a good year, but I do get to destinations where I sail every day 
>for a week or two a couple times a year.  (Gorge next week.)  I get an
>extremely dry mouth while I'm out on the water.  I usually try to scoop
>a bit of water to wet the whistle every 20 minutes or so.  But no 
>depression or lethargy following the sessions.

I should note that I don't get these symptoms when the wind is not
strong.  It's only in hang-on-for-your-life conditions, which at my
skill level is 5.5 or better :), where I am exerting incredible energy
for short durations, that I experience weakness the next day.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul)
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:25:58 GMT


Seen in this months Boards magazine:
"You'll never find another windsurfing trailer quite like this one! _Tim Hazel_
designed and built it complete with its own shower-down facility - after sailing
just set the pump in action and stand by for a cold shower. The trailer, built
in aluminium alloy, is capable of carrying five boards, while sails and gear
can be stowed in a large locker with two access points secured by 3-way locking
bars, with the towbar removable for added security. Fittings include 
indespension units, spare wheel, lighting and direction indicators. Tim would
like to sell and is looking for 700 pounds - phone him on 0489 5765200."

My trailer is not quite as fancy as that. It is based on your ordinary box
type trailer. Ontop of the box is a removable lid with a rack attached, the
lid is hinged at one side to allow access to the box. The rack has three 
spaces for boards, one ontop of the other, and masts/sails can be attached
next to them. When the trailer is fully loaded you can still lift the lid
(with all the boards ontop) and there is a bar to prop it open like a car
bonnet/hood. This is a small, practical, easy to tow and store trailer. I
have often towed it at 80+mph on good roads (I have also had a blowout on
the trailer at this speed - but thats another story). The only problem is that
when this trailer was designed there was no such thing as fully battened sails
and booms were nearly as long as the boards! If I was doing it
again I would lengthen the box to allow all my new sails and booms be stowed
inside.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Protect me from what I want" - Jenny Holzer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry Paul, Computer Science,                                bpaul@maths.tcd.ie
Trinity College Dublin, Ireland                                   (01) 702-1531
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:03:03 GMT

In article <12600373@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
>
>It seems there are quite a few people who experience this.  How many
>don't?

I don't. The only thing I get is a few sore muscles especially if I haven't
sailed in 4.5 conditions for a few weeks. A couple of ibuprophine (sp?)
and all is well. A few weeks ago I sailed in 4.5 5.0 conditons for about
10 days straight (cabarete) and only the second day caused me problems getting
out of bed. However, it was only muscle stiffness. A few stretch exercises and
I was ready for the next session.

There was a guy complaining about headaches while he was sailing in cabarete.
I over heard him saying he has a blood condition that causes coagulation in
his neck! This happens to him during physical exertion. That was the cause
of his headaches. Hangover or not nothing could be as bad as that :-)




-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: jackg@bears.ucsb.edu (Jack Greenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: High wind wave board advice
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:26:33 GMT
Reply-To: pm5031dp@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Distribution: rec
Organization: /usr4/research/jackg/.organization


Yet another request for board feedback. I'm posting this for a friend
who no longer has UseNet access, so plese reply to him directly, and
he'll sumarize if there is interest.

Dave Purdy (pm5031dp@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil) says:

I have been eyeing the Advanced Hull Dynamics (AHD) 262 slalom board.
Maybe you could fire off a message on the net and find out if anyone
has anything to say about this board.  I have also been eyeing the
Seatrend 8'-0" board and the AHD 250 board.  I have ridden the AHD and
it was pretty fun but kind of bouncy on the jibes, although the conditions
were such that I dn't think anything would not bounce.  After riding
all of the phaser boards I can't say I am really sold on it and the
Seatrend 8'-0" is a phazer board.  Maybe somebody in net land has an
opinion???

--
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(805) 893-4461     | Santa Barbara, Ca. 93106, USA
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From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Mast Foot Problems
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:13:05 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

erno@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Erno H. Klaassen) writes:

>When I was surfing this weekend at Coyote,  I had some trouble with 
>the mast foot on my Bic Astro Rock.  The little tab that keeps the peg
>of the mast base in the mast foot keeps coming up, so that my whole
>mast separated from the board several times.  Is anybody else having
>this problem, either with the Bic mast foot, or with other brands.  Is
>there an easy solution, or should I buy a new mast foot?
>I was considering putting a piece of masking tape over it to prevent
>it from coming up, but I don't think it would last more than about 10
>minutes in the water.

The newer Bic mast bases have a nylon cord that tucks over the lip of
the tab to keep it in place.  You can buy a newer-style Bic mast base
at B&D in Redwood City for about $10.
	
This said, the Bic mast base is a piece of junk, and as I found out it
isn't something you should be using at any place that gets big wind
where you might get caught far out.  Basically, the plastic mast base is
held to the board by a single bolt that is molded into the mast base.
Over time, as you twist the base, it stresses the molding, and at some
point the entire base shears off of its bolt!  Bam, your mast and mast
base come off, and you are two miles out without a way to get back in.
Luckily, mine sheared off when I was readjusting its position close to
shore, but after examining the engineering that went into the unit, I
decided I would never put my life behind that particular Bic component
again.  Chinook, Windsurfing Hawaii, and Gorge Technology all make great
mast bases.  
	
Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: iop@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Hardware IOP (Bob McMillen) 3770)
Subject: Re: insurance
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 19:39:39 GMT

I had joined the USWA last year in order to get insurance for my windsurfing
equipment. Many of the standard policies would not cover losses away from
your personal residence.

Unfortunately, I received my renewal bill a few weeks ago and the premium
had skyrocketed! They wanted $200 a year minimum, up from $50. 

If Allstate will issue special riders, then maybe I'll give them a call...

From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:57:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Boom Recommendations?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, du@oregon.uoregon.edu (Dave Ulrich) writes:
> 
>  ........ Am leaning toward a Chinook, but would like to hear some
>  feedback from those who have recently purchased a boom.

	He posts!   Ya - get a Chinook Oval.  Great booms.  Or
	a Fleetwood Obround.  Also great.

	I'll buy a Chinook for you Saturday, 8/15.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: msk@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Mark Kaplan)
Subject: wetsuit for sale
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:33:31 GMT

Oniel wetsuit
3mm neoprene, one piece
Black and Hot Pink
Size is a Mens small (fits my wife 5'5" 115 lbs)
In very good shape.
$75 or best offer

Mark Kaplan
Work: (908) 580-0102 Warren, NJ
Eves: (908) 735-6545 Clinton, NJ
From: jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Mistral Ecstacy board question (back footstrap)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:49:56 GMT
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine, CA.

In article <25515@sophia.inria.fr>, colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:
> In article <nlo7cvk@fido.asd.sgi.com>, alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
> writes:
> |> I have noticed that the back strap still gets somewhat loose after using 
> |> it for a while. Is anybody having the same problem ? 
> 
> all wave boards which allow you to rotate the back starp to get an
> assymetrical rear foot angle for frontside wave riding have the same problem.
> (as opposed to boards with 2 starps, wher you just remove one as on the tigas).
> 
> Solutions:
> - get the habit of just tigntening the screw on all your straps before each
>   session (no problem) and every hour (hassle)
> - put locktite on the screw (I was afraid to try.. did anybody else tried?)
> - my solution: put some "grip" (antiskid, resin + sand/sugar, astrodek)
>   on the plug to prevent the strap from rotating too much. you will still have
>   to check your screws before a session, but not between each

I use Shred Tech Twist Control blocks, which are a small rectangular plastic 
device that replaces the washer.  They are the same width as the foot strap, 
and have teeth that help grip the deck and prevent the strap from twisting. 
The disadvantage of them is that you then have a small hard plastic block on
either side of your foot strap to step on, cram you toes into while getting 
into your straps, etc.  I use them, and they work pretty well, but you do 
still have to tighten the screws periodically.  I've also heard that tipping
the screws with epoxy (like Marine Tex) will help keep them tight(I don't think 
locktite will work very well in the plastic inserts, might even disolve the 
plastic).

I am using the Twist Control devices, but I haven't tried the epoxy on the
screws though, just hear-say!

~jmp
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-28046]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
Keywords: step-van?
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:35:38 GMT

In article <4310447@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk
Lindstrom) writes:
>Get a used van rather than a trailer:
Has anyone ever used a stepvan (like a UPS truck) for a windsurfing carry all? 
IMHO it would seem ideal, mucho room inside, can leave sails rigged to min. set
up time.  Plenty of room.
>The inside of vans can be made VIRTUALLY rust proof.
I know many stepvan bodies are alu. due to weight, therefore truely rustproof.
>Van facts:
>With fuel injection and 302 V8s, they get 15-18 mpg on the HWY
Stepvans must be worst?
>Can drive safely and legally at > 55 mph
I see UPS on the freeway at 70mph
>All gear is locked inside and out of the sun's harmful UV rays
ditto
>Only take one parking space
ditto but need a big one
>Even my 470cm mast fits inside my extended Ford E250
With a stepvan your 470 with a North 5.7 on it could be rigged and waiting!
>Can sleep and change inside (i.e. get out of the cold easy)
ditto
>Useful for other things like hauling furniture and stuff to the dump
ditto
>Kirk (not meant to flame trailers, just....) out

Just for purposes of discussion, what are step vans like?  has anyone on the
net ever driven one?  seen one used for windsurfing?  does anyone know how much
a used one might cost??

Rick

PS Get well soon Kirk!
From: rriv@oural.inria.fr (Robert Riviere)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Control in the air
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:10:43 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <16270@al.UUCP>  jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh) writes :
	I learned an interesting thing in the Duke of Nuke High Wind Clinic last 
	summer about chop/white caps.  When looking for the steepest chop to either
	jump/avoid, the wave that FOLLOWS cresting chop(white cap) will be the 
	steepest!  There will be a deep trough behind the white cap, which then sucks
	out a steep ramp on the next one!  This was Pat Dougherty advice, and he 
	certainly enjoys a lot of air time!  Check it out, I find it to be true!

I totally agree !
I use to sail on choppy water, and when there is a (rare) wave, I jump it immediatly.
But damned, there is almost always a NICER wave behind the first !

-- 
Robert Riviere
(rriv@sophia.inria.fr)				Tel: (33) 93.65.79.06
Inria/CERMICS					Fax: (33) 93.65.77.40
BP 93
06902	Sophia Antipolis Cedex
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:36:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Kor Kiley writes:
: I think a big problem for people who have expressed these symptoms is
: the sporadic nature of windsurfing.  Because of the infrequencies of
: good winds in a lot of areas we just don't do it regularly.  Then when
: we do go, we get so excited that we ignore our fatigue.

Thank GOODNESS this happened to me yesterday!!  After weeks of various
but mostly unsailable weather, our "regular" stuff returned this weekend,
with temperatures in the 90's and morning wind in the Boise River canyon.

As if to make up for lost days, it blew longer than usual, and stayed
well filled-in for me on my 5.3.  As usual, I was too eager to get sailing
to stretch out well before-hand, but I did take some breaks and stretch
out during.  It seemed to allow me to stay out longer and get even more
"tostada."  :-)

Plenty of sore muscles, but no "hangover" as such.  Of course, it's not
terribly hot and sunny from sunrise to 10am, so dehydration didn't happen.

: I think moderation and common sense should take care of most of the
: symptoms people are reporting.

Well shoot, there's the problem right there!!
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                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Keywords: Hangover
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:08:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.161330.5144@maths.tcd.ie> bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:
>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?

It now takes two consecutive days of high wind windsurfing for me to
get these symptoms, but it happens to me quite regularly. I also call
it a windsurfing hangover or "dagen efter surfen" (Swedish).

I also get depression and rapid mood changes if I don't cure the hangover
with more windsurfing (lighter conditions are ok).

I guess I'm addicted to windsurfing.

>I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
>hence the similarity to a hangover. I try to bring liquids to the beach with me
>but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to 
>return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this 
>problem other than increased self-discipline?

Drinking doesn't seem to help. I always have plenty of soft drinks at the
beach and I usually return to shore every two hours or more often.

My guess is that the hangover is just a result from the physical exertion.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
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