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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:45:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
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In article 89t@news.iastate.edu, tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>Everyone seems to be missing the real point: When Joe Q. Public gets pissed
>at motorcyclists, he takes away some motorcyclists' rights. 

That IS the point.  Where have you been?

>BTW, the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, the AMA, and HOG are the only groups
>I know of that are effective at influencing policy. 

Ever heard of ABATE?

>Think about that when
>you deride the MSF and then in the next breath complain about inane helmet
>laws: MSF has been fighting them since its creation.

MSF supports helmet USE, and takes no official position on helmet LAWS.

---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: Freddie in '93?
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:50:09 GMT

In article <BxDCEx.K67@unix.amherst.edu> nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (NATHANIEL ROBERT MENDELL) writes:
>
>Hi folks --
>
>Anyone know what/where Spencer will be riding next season?  I'm almost certain
>he got a gp ride, but I can't remember if it was with Yamaha France, or Honda
>or what.  
>
>If you've got the answer, post it.  If you think you know who's going to win 
>the championship next year, put that too! :)
>

Yamaha France - the blue one with purple pinsstripes, presumably as a
replacement for Niall Mackenzie

My logical nomination:
	Doohan

My emotional nomination:
	Criville

Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor DoD #981 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)              Heard on Radio 4:-
"One of the first signs of the male menopause is buying a Harley Davidson."
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rubber brake hose failure?
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:46:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Nov11.124630.2526
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

In article <1992Nov11.130805.16627@bnr.ca>, space%bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:
> 
> The owners manual for both of my bikes (both Suzuki) says that all
> hydraulic brake lines should be replaced every two years.  These are
> expensive items!  I know I could put SS lines on, but that is still
> expensive.  One of the bikes is a '79, and probably still has the original
> hoses.  The hoses look to be in fine shape, and I can make the front tire
> chirp quite easily on dry roads (Metzler ME33 V rated).
> 
> Has anyone ever heard of rubber brake hoses failing, or is Suzuki just
> trying to cover their ass?

	My guess is that Suzuki engineers understand C.Y.A. just as well
as anyone else - in short, "yes", IMHO.

	The owner's manual for my Goof2 just says to inspect everything
every two years.  It seems logical to expect that under the worst of
circumstances, rubber lines could rot and deteriorate.  But you and I
probably pay more attention to our bikes' health than our ow  

	But if you do put in stainless lines - and it couldn't be *that*
expensive, could it ? - you probably won't have to worry about that
for quite a while, and your braking action should be improved, to boot.

	I think a racing stainless line kit from Lockhart costs $65 for
my Goof2, and is probably cheaper mail-order.

	However, (correct me if I'm wrong) the thing about rubber lines
is that they can partially seal a small leak without complete loss of
braking power, wheras stainless lines, if they leak, they leak.

Good luck,
Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk (njb)
Subject: HONDA GB500 - club racer single. 
Distribution: world
Organization: "Industrial EcoDeath Corp"
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:14:02 +0000


In article <1992Nov3.174739.5307@brtph560.bnr.ca> jbothwel@bnr.ca writes:

>Saw a GB500 in a Honda Dealer's showroom last week.   

These are sold in the UK with "less traditional" stylling, but
mechanically the same. They have enough stomp for most British roads, 
but can be a but of a pig to steer at times (not to a dangerous extent though)

I use mine as cheap & cheerful transport to get around on. 

If you do buy, I can copy a message on them from a UK bike journo 
who runs one. It contains some handy hints & tips on maintenance.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: BSA twins
Keywords: BSA, A50, A65
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:08:29 GMT

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:

>At the risk of setting a precident, I have a motorcycle-related question... 8^)

>I'm looking for information on BSA vertical twin motors, mid- to late-'60s
>vintage.  What were the strong points about these motors, and what were
>the weak points?  I've heard that the twins weren't nearly as good as the
>singles, and that the bearings in particular were cruft.  Anybody care to
>confirm or deny?  I'm somewhat more interested in details for the A65 over
>the A50 if that makes a difference, but I think the only real difference
>was the bore/stroke dimensions.

>I'm currently eyeballing an A65-motored Matchless, dating to about 1966.
>I'm presuming this is the original setup.  Matchless stopped making their
>own motors around 1960, correct?

>I've still got my sick penchant for aging British scoots.  I fear it'll get
>me into trouble one of these days.  Maybe I need a smaller garage...  X^}

>Mr. Bill
>-- 
>Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
>1982 CBX (White Lightning), 1982 GS850G (Suzibago), 1976 CJ360T (Little Honda)
>"Due to circumstances beyond your control,                               =o&>o
>=o&>o                   you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."


Mr. Bill - I'm not particularly versed on BSA's, (Norton's actually) but 
british bikes in general.  BSA's had the unenviable reputation as oil
drippers, more so than any other 60's Britbike. The bearings weren't bad;
not great. The seals were awful. Many/most of these items can be replaced
with modern items of much greaer durability/quality.  Other considerations
are carburetors (AMAL - replace with Mikunis), electrical (Lucas - mostly
centered on weak alternators, updated ones available; points replaced w/
Boyer e-tron; coils give weak spark, 12K volts, again update)
Of course it all depends on how much time/effort/money you want to spend
on the bike, or if you want to keep it stock/original.
If you want to talk more detail, email me and I'll spooge forth ad nauseum ...

S.
-- 
#   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897                  "Countersteering is like benchracing.  
#   DoD #0227                     A bunch of posers standing around
 #  INOA #8563                    the parts counter lying about all the
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Break-in (what is it?)
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:16:53 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
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egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
: I am now leading a one-man crusade to keep rec.motorcycles open to
: newcomers by providing as much helpful and friendly advise as possible
: *in public* (and what I lack in experience I can easily pad with
: several years worth of the old brand of r.m posts I filed away), and
: vigorously flaming the living shit out of every weenie who has nothing
: better to do and no better sense than to post sucker questions, and
: every weenie wanna-be who replies with the inevitable "hook, line, and
: sinker" encouragement.
 
Here here!
--
"the trouble with jerks like you is that you end up running the country"
	- if you can't place that quote you're not young & hip. Nor
         watch the idiot box.

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
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From: tavares@danville (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:50:06 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
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Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
: In article JnB@news.iastate.edu, tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
: >
: >After lurking for about 6 months on this group (and the net in general)
: >this appears to be my first flame.
: 
: How did we allow that to happen?!?
: 
: >Before you ridicule the MSF programs again, please have more than hearsay
: >and a bad attitude to back up your arguments.
: 
: Not bad, CP, but you'll get more respect around here if you work in
: something about his SO being an uptight bitch, or maybe what kind of
: beer he drinks...
: 
: ---
: Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
:   Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
: DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
:  (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Or, better yet, his SO is an uptight bitch who drinks BUD!

--
Jack Tavares    83 R80ST	
KotHO DoD# 0570 BMWMOA# 58278 AMA# 651191 BMWRA# 16087
Sorry, but at DoD minimum speed it is impossible to speak. There is just 
too much wind noise.  At that speed I am spending all my concentration 
allowance on riding, and cannot afford anymore thought for words.
However, when I finish a ride and the bike is in the garage cooling down, 
the single word that comes to mind is:

    BEER.
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: trip to South America
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:34:42 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Nov9.181345.14583@bmers95.bnr.ca> quiniou@bnr.ca (Henri Quiniou) writes:
>
>I'm planning a 2 months trip to go down to south America  next summer,
>and I'm looking for advices, so anybody who knows about the folowing
>matters (or wathever your imagination suggests) just POST IT
>(I don't have e-mail, sorry):
>
>   -for what make of motorcycle can I find dealers there
> (maintenance and final       sale);
>   -is there alsphalt roads all the way south
>(I know Mexico has, but further         south?); 
>   -suggested months for travelling there (temperature, rain...);
>   -any major obstacle (I know you can't cross Amazonia,
>but what about Panama,       Nicaragua,...);
>   -is there any road maps
>(I've seen geographical maps, but no Rand                  MacNally
>or Michelin-like road maps);

Please keep the following in mind:

- You cannot ride from Panama to Columbia, the road does not go through.
  (And don't entertain any dual-sport fantasies, either, people have
  tried and died.  Read "Obsessions Die Hard" by Ed Culberson for
  nitty gritty details about his attempt.)

- You must have a Passage d'Carnet if you want to bring your own bike
  into most South Amercan nations.  Contact your national auto club
  for details on how to get this very expensive document.
  (Essentially you post bond to ensure that you won't leave the vehicle
  in the country-of-question.)  Most (all?) Central American nations
  don't seem to require this, but the South American ones do.

- Spanish (and Portugese!) language skills would go a long way to
  making your trip more worthwhile.

- Better maps do exist.  Look in your phone book under "Maps" for
  a good map store.  I have a warm spot for Michelin maps featuring
  our friend "Bib."

- The best way to run into serious trouble on a trip like this is to
  neglect proper planning and preperation.  If you're just now thinking
  about a trip next summer, you have better get a move on!  I would
  strongly suggest you consider holding off for a year or so.

- You will almost certainly want a dual-purpose bike of some sort.
  A BMW R100GS or R100PD are both good choices, in my opinion.  :)
  You should be able to deal with most common mechanical failures,
  especially those causes by giant amounts of mud, rocks, and water.

- Consult with a medical specialist about vaccinations that you'll need.
  Cholera is currently the big thing.  :)


-- 
-
-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu               - Enforced discrimination MUST NOT STAND
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar     - Queer, Proud, and Angry
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: '70s supersonic Kawasaki blue-smokers
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:46:12 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Thursday November 12 1992 13:29, Erik van Bronkhorst       Code 3814 wrote to All:

 EvBC3> All right.  Who has an H2 that runs they want to sell?
 EvBC3> Also, wasn't there a 900 (H3?) also?!

If you find someone with an H2, and its in excellant condition, sell it
to me! I've been looking for a year. :-)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:38:32 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
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John Howard Osborn (osborn@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Well, I was planning on going through Colorado this winter on my way
: to visit friends in California after Christmas.  Various people even
: 
: However, Colorado yesterday enacted a new state constitutional amendment
: enforcing discrimation against gays and lesbians.  I will, therefore,
: not be spending any money (and therefore) time in the state.  In fact,

[...]

: 
: If you live in Colorado, I'm sorry.  I encourage you to fight from

I do, and I'm not.

: From soc.motss:
: >It would amend Article 2 of the Colorado Constitution by the addition
: >of Section 30, which states: NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL,
: >LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION. Neither the State of Colorado,

[...]

John,

Read the above carefully.  It says that homosexual, lesbian or bisexuals
may not be given protected status.  It does NOT say that they will be
discriminated against.  I don't believe ANYONE should be given ANY 
special rights or protection based on their sexual preference, skin 
color, heritage, political affiliation, or anything else that might
otherwise create an INDIVIDUAL. 


: >Put simply, this amendment says that no town or other governmental
: >subdivision will ever be allowed to vote on the matter of
: >non-discrimination for gay and lesbian people. And if anybody voted on

Sorry, I disagree.

[History lesson deleted]

: -John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado

Boycotting CO is your choice.  


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From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Break-in (what is it?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:33:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Nov5.163316.2467
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

In article <RTARAZ.92Nov5123720@bigwpi.WPI.EDU>, rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
> I was asked by somebody about why a motorcyle has to be broken-in.
> Although I kinda know why, I couldn't give a good answer.
> Can you guys give a good convincing answer?

	When you buy a new bike, the cylinder, piston rings, and just
basically the other cylinder/head parts need some time to seat properly.

	During break-in you have to keep your revs below a certain point,
usually prescribed by the manufacturer, as there will be a lot of metal
bits floating around in the oil during this time, while these newly-
machined surfaces rub against each other.  On air-cooled bikes you
have to avoid idling for along time, or in general overheating, as that
would also be bad for the seating of the rings.

	After the break-in period, you change the oil/filter, retorque the
head fasteners, sometimes check valve clearances, and you can then rev
happily up to redline.

	If the engine is rebuilt, say with new piston/rings and the
cylinders rebored or honed, you have to go through the break-in process
again, for the same reasons.

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |\///                         rtaraz@wpi.wpi.edu                /  Is today \ |
> |\\//                            1988 EX500                     | a good day| |
> |\\\/                            DOD # 0740                     \  to die?  / |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       

	"No, today is *not* a good day to die.  I just got new Metzlers
and they're not scrubbed in yet!"

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (in progress)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Shaft effect, What is it?
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:35:58 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]Why can't we just accept that each method of drive can be used for just
about
]anything [...]

that'd be pretty damn boring, wouldn't it?

I'd be the first one to step up and say that shaft drive has no place in
hard racing simply because of it's weight and basic design, but if I did
that then we wouldn't get to see Randy strain to hold his temper...

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: British rides
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:08:42 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <40937@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe) writes
>In article <1drdatINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>>Too late! the legal breeding age is below the legal biking age.
>>
>>Maybe in the UK.
>>
>>In most states in the US, statutory rape laws forbid consentual sex
>>with any minor female (ie, under 18), and one can obtain a motorcycle
>>license at ~16.
>>
>ed, ed, ed.  you are projecting in a most seriously disturbing way here.
>Let me remind you that if both partners are minors, the statutory rape
>laws are silent.  as far as I know there aren't really any "legal ages
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	NOT! I saw the show (O.K., the bike's in the shop, gimmeabreak).
	This girl(~14)'s Dad is having the guy (~17) prosecuted for statutory
	rape, even though both guy and girl admit the sex was consenual.

>for breeding" just so long as both persons involved are of minor age.  As
>any number of states have, or wish to have, laws forbidding the termination
>of a pregnancy without parental "notification" (read: consent) for minors,
>it seems clear that in the jolly old USofA, the "legal" breeding age is
>~= to Mother Nature's breeding age.

>#0753


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Keywords: this is not bait
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:28:21 GMT

In article <1350@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> pdomain@emory.edu (Mike Mitten) writes:
>So, I took the MSF Rider Course in August, and I've been looking to
>get my first motorcycle.  Indications seem to be that I should
>start with something 500cc or under.  Now, I've got a line on a
>bike for a *very* good price, but it's an 850.  What I'm wondering
>is, why shouldn't I get it?

The primary reason to get a bike with small displacement is that when you screw
up, there is less power there to throw you around.  Since you have passed a MSF
course, you should have the basic skills to handle any bike.  There are a few
nuances to big bikes that were not apparent on the 50-350cc machines in your 
class, primarily the effect of throttle on bike stability in corners.  On
a bike with serious power, it is VERY EASY to slide the rear wheel in a corner,
either by letting off the throttle hard, or trying to accelerate too hard.
Throttle control will be more critical than if you were on a smaller bike.

You did not mention the exact model, but a Suzuki 850 comes to mind, which is
shaft driven.  None of the bikes in your MSF class would have been shaft drive,
so you would not have experienced the dreaded 'shaft effect'.  The short 
version is that it tends to make a bike more susceptible to throttle changes
when leaned ( I goose my Goldwing hard enough to make it do situps ) but you
can learn to deal with this.

The real problem is hand position: when serious acceleration hits, and your 
throttle hand is in the 'wrist up' position, your body's inertia will tend to
roll on the throttle more.  You have either not had this happen in class, or
got yelled at to 'keep your wrist down!!'.  If you keep your throttle hand 
in the proper position and your sensibilities in control of your right wrist,
there are no problems with a lot of power.  As a matter of fact, I feel that
if you are in control of your hormones, no amount of power is too much, 
provided you can pay the costs (insurance, purchase price, etc.).
(Thus speaketh en ex-GTO owner.  The best high school car ever seen!  Teaches
you about throttle control in a hurry on 100% ice covered roads though.)

If you figure out how to carry a bicycle on a motorcycle (short of a trailer)
I would like to know: I hate using four wheels when the weather is nice, but
there are times that I have to take my bicycle along.

Congratulations on your joining the ranks of the certifiably insane!  Ride
often, ride far.  And take more classes.  (I'm taking the Keith Code class at
Elkhart next summer: The more you learn, the better it gets.)

CP Tomes
1982 Seca 400     1981 GL1100     1993 GTS1000A??
Ask me why stupid sounding acronyms are a good idea for a motorcycle class....
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Long winter's nap . . .
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:11:28 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Nov11.040301.20416@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) wrote:
> >Ya blew it, Pooder.  It's in the 50's today!  Still riding.
> 
> I'm with john.  all of my friends have been teasing me about riding in
> any temp we've had so far (not too tough - coldest ride was 24F for
> about 15 minutes on the freeway).  my new definition to abate them is
> ``if the bike starts, it's riding weather.''

Ah, Jason, but you are _crazy_! ;-)  You ride in snow!  And if you don't
get some adequate clothing, you are going to freeze and we don't
have a Keeper of IcedBikers!

john stafford (who retired both bikes to the appartment yesterday.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles