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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Re: Hakeem Olajuwon trade rumors
Keywords: Hakeem Olajuwon trade
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:50:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.224014.18361@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>Just read in clari.sports.basketball that new Hakeem Olajuwon trade rumors 
>have been reported in the Houston Chronicle.  
>I wonder if anyone out there has heard any other rumors or can confirm
>or deny the ones discussed above.
>
I heard that Detroit was in the Hakeem sweeps, as well.

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        Ellie Cutler

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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: SHOES
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:59:55 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Sep11.182943.15622@ecst.csuchico.edu> adamw@ecst.csuchico.edu (James Adam Ward) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.154939.17660@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>>I am looking for a good pair of basketball shoes for indoor play.
>>
>>1- $ 100 at most
>>2 - must be black
>>    Can anybody help me?

>You might want to check out the "Above The Rim" Reebok Pumps. Very
>comfortable.yes they are black. and most of your 100 bucks will be spent.Check
>out the Nike line of shoes. The shoes that are close to 100 bucks are what you
>want to look at.

 If I may edge in a word of advice. TRY as many as you can on, yes the brand
names are great, but a lot depends on the size and shape of your foot. I have
a lot of problems with Nike basketball shoes becuase they are too narrow and
as far as I know they are not available (at least in stores) in various width
sizes. I've talked to many people who can't wear shoes designed for a person
with a narrow foot and a high arch, if you have a wide foot and not much arch
a basketball shoe is not going to change the mechanics of your foot. Your
just going to break down the shoe and have hurting feet in the process.

 Are you sure both your feet are the same size? Most people's aren't. You
should go to a store , with the same type of socks (one or two pair) that
you would wear in a game and invest as long as is takes to find the best
fit which will give you the best performance. Once you find the make and
model you like, you can then buy'em mail order or wherever you find the
best price. But till you settle on what is best for your feet, your not
going to get the best shoe for you. It might have the coolest adds and
cost the most money, but I didn't think that's what your asking for in the
way of help. All that being said, I've found the Reeboks fit much better
for me than Nike. I have some serious foot problems however (history of
stress fractures, turf toe and other foot malladies) , your milage may
vary.

>adamw@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Selling the Lakers short (was Re: Who's gonna win it all )
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:39:03 GMT

In article <1800s0INNpk0@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu> goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde) writes:
>
>>  Worthy is getting old, as
>
>True, but we're only talking about next year.  How many small forwards
>in the Western Conference are better?  Off the top of my head I'd say
>there are probably two or three.

Who might they be?  I'm thinking that Karl Malone and Danny Manning are
power forwards.  Not counting the immense pressure and turmoil of the Lakers
last year where his shooting was destroyed without Magic, Worthy improved
in rebounding, and was a terrific playmaker.  I think he averaged over 5 apg
trying to compensate for Magic's absence.

>> Magic may play this year, but he won't be the player
>>he was five or even two years ago.
>        ^^^^         ^^^
>        true         How do you know?

I think Magic is in pretty darn good ball shape, and I think he can return
to 1990 form without too much problem.

>> Vlade remains inconsistant and for the greatest extent unproven.
>
>True, but name a much better Pacific division center. (Note the word much.)

Name any.  Divac is inconsistent, but I would say he's the best Pacific
division center with plenty more potential on the way.  In his only full
healthy, starting season, he did plenty better than the others in that
division, double figures, 57% shooting, 8+ rpg.  With Kevin Duckworth's
career spiraling into nothing and the other Pacific teams basically with
no centers...

>Don't forget about Threatt and Green, two great role players.  I'd put
>Campbell in with Divac as inconsistant and unproven.  If they stay
>healthy, the front line of Divac, Worthy, Perkins, Green and Campbell
>is a damn good one.

Threatt was L.A.'s most valuable player.  He shot 49%, played good D, etc.
If the Lakers hadn't made that trade, who knows how awful they would have
been, instead of making the playoffs?  I'd say if Magic comes back, Threatt
starts with him, providing consistent offense and much needed extra ball
handling skills, both of which Byron Scott does not.  The Lakers might
look a bit more like they did when Norm Nixon was there.

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From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: New York Knicks
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:48:52 GMT

In article <92248.213054IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

	Are the Knicks going to win it all this year or what?  Take a look
I hope so but I doubt it.  This is not enough.

   F Xavier McDaniel
   F Charles Oakley
   C Patrick Ewing
   G Mark Jackson
   G Rolando Blackmon
	Coming off of the bench they got John Starks, Anthony Mason, Hubert
   Davis, Greg Anthony and of course the great Kiki "I AM NOT OLD YET!"
   Vandeghwe.        Predictions-Knick and Bulls in the east(Jordan has

Kiki was released in Ju(ne/ly).

ah
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:17:24 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
	<1992Sep10.142100.13347@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>

>Come on...Price has plenty of faults, and he didn't play so well in the series
>against the Bulls.  I thought Larry Nance was the one who played the best
>among the Cavs.  Price seemed to shoot at the most un-opportune times, esp.
>in the deciding game.  Last play of the game, bounces the ball off of his
>foot.  Unfortunately, this seemed to carry through the series.  His assist to
>turnover ratio was abominable, not even 2 to 1 as I recall.

>Price does have one of the most talented frontcourts to get the ball too,
>even notice how he's never been anywhere near the top in assists?  As for
>almost knocking the Bulls out, the Knicks almost knocked the Bulls out.
 >The Cavs got beaten pretty cleanly.

Concerning Price never being near the top in the Assist column, he has
trouble making it because of the team he plays on.  Due to the
unselfishness of every (significant) player on the team, he has no one
to pass it to that will be guarenteed to shoot it.  Stockton for example
can pass it to Malone, and you know there is a very high percentage
chance that Malone will shoot.  When Price passes to Daugherty, there
actually is a good chance Daugherty will pass the ball off for a better
shot by another player.  Price isn't the only one on the Cavs who can
pass, so it's hard for the original ball handler to get assists.  Plus,
Price is called on to score a significant percentage of the points, so
that will take some assists away as compared to PG that are just there
to give the ball to someone who stands a good chance of making the shot.
 Of course, Price was a shooting guard in college......
The plain facts are  that without Price the Cavs are only an average
team, with Price they WILL win a Championship.  Not many other teams can
say that about their point guard.  But in my opinion Price is the best
current point guard just because he has the best combination of shooting
(where he's arguably the best), passing, ball handling, offense
handling, and defense(where he's only adequate, but he is adequate).  

		Chris
From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hakeem Olajuwon trade rumors
Keywords: Hakeem Olajuwon trade
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:33:09 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

Just read in clari.sports.basketball that new Hakeem Olajuwon trade rumors 
have been reported in the Houston Chronicle.  I read last week that 
Olajuwon definitely wants to be traded and that Miami was interested in
exchanging Sekeilay, Harold Miner, and one other player. Today's report
has Olajuwon going to the Clippers for Danny Manning, one other player,
and three draft picks.  Supposedly, the Rockets would then turn around
and trade the three picks to Orlando for Stanley Roberts. (i.e. if Stanley
does not veto another trade).  This would make a great deal of sense
for all parties involved.  The Clippers desparately need a center.  Charles
Smith does not like playing center and the Clippers have an overabundance of
forwards (although Manning is the best of them).  This would give Houston
a strong front line of Roberts, Manning, and Otis Thorpe.  And Orlando would
unload the huge salary of Roberts, who they don't really have room for.

I wonder if anyone out there has heard any other rumors or can confirm
or deny the ones discussed above.

				Terry Wong
				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: FIVE ALIVE
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:53:05 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Sep2.184734.2536@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>
>Here are today's Top Five Lists from the Home Office in Montreal Canada:  
>
>5 guys who dont pass the ball:
>Dominike Wilkins 
>Terry Porter
>Armon Gilliam
>Moses Malone
>Tom Chambers

'Nique passed pretty darn well this season I think before getting injured.
The others look right though.

>5 white guys who can dunk that aren't 7"0:
>Rex Chapman
>Name 4 more if you can!!

That aren't 7'0''?  I guess Tom Chambers is too close to 7, what about
Dan Majerle?  I suppose the question means white guys who can do more than
a finger tip dunk and are below 6'9''...and shoot, that's all I can think
of.  Whoa.

>5 guys I would invite to my house party:
>Chris Mullin     - bring the beer
>Roy Tarpley      - bring the "stuff"
>Magic Johnson    - bring the babes
>Charles Barkley  - what's a party without him?
>Anybody else know of a good party animal?

Where's Wilt?
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From: jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (JJ H. Ehlers)
Subject: Re: Jazz musings (long)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.191330.26715@unislc.uucp>, rgh@unislc.uucp (Rich Hannon) writes:

Lots of good stuff about that Jazz that I mostly agree with.  I just 
wanted to make 1 minor correction to the follwoing paragraph: 


|> Now a look at their roster: Center: Eaton/Brown/Austin, 
|> PF: C.Malone/Krystowiak, SF: Benoit/Corbin, SG: J.Malone/Humphreys,
|> PG: Stockton. 2 spots are open for sure: Rudd was let go & Corey Crowder
|> went to Europe. Jazz will probably pick up someone who gets waived
|> for at least one of these spots. I believe at least one spot will
|> go for a pure point guard who will ride the end of the bench. Unlikely
|> though that either slot will have much impact.
|> 

Friday the Jazz announced that they signed John Crotty to a 1 year
contract.  He is a point guard who played for the Jazz in the Rocky
Mountain Review and at the LA Summer League.  He was injured during the
last few days of the Rocky Mtn Review, but apparently played well during
the LA league.  He's been out of school 1 year, I can't remember where
he played, and last year played in the WBA.  He will definately be
11 or 12 on the bench, but seems to have potential to decent.  I knew
during the Rocky Mountain Review he would make the team.  I mean with
our gaurds being names: John, Jeff, and Jay, you knew they were going to
sign another J if they could :^).

-- 
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Trades (Detroit/Miami - Indiana/Minnesota)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:58:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.142508.8007@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
 
>The Pistons have sent John (wish I was Arsenio) Salley to the
 
John's funnier, taller, and almost as rich! He's also better looking!
And he doesn't wear that flat-top anymore!
 
>Heat for recent 2nd round pick Isaiah Morris and Miamis 1993 #1
>(unles it's a top 5), which would then get Detroit Miamis 1993
>2nd round and 1994 #1
>
>The best thing for Detroit is the additional first round pick,
 
No, the best thing is they are now under the salary cap.
Look out for more moves soon.
 
>but after this past years draft faux pas, it may not be that
 
Olden Polynice for a rookie & Bedford? Where's the faux pas there?
 
>helpful
 
 
--Eric
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: X-man to Boston
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:17:56 GMT

I'm sorry.  I rarely flame on anyone.  But anyone who thinks that Kevin Gamble
has more of a future than Fox in the NBA is stoned.  The only thing that Gamble
does better than Rick is stick an open jumper.  Fox drives better, has much
better range, rebounds better, passes better, and is the best defender the
Celtics have.  There realy is no comparison.  Most people around here felt
that Rick would have started this year over Gamble had X not signed.  Fox was
awsome in rookie camp this year.  Once the officials stop treating him like a
rookie, he's going to have a monster year defensively.  Gamble consistently
provided 5 points a game but that was it.  The problem is that every team in
the NBA knows this and everytime the Celts mention Gambles name in a trade, the
other team immediately inquires about Fox instead.

Andy


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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: RICK FOX!!! ROOLZ (Re: X-man to Boston)
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:58:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.143828.18991@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>In article <BuDH3y.67B@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>>
>What do you mean?  The Celtics are certainly not stocked at small forward,
>in fact, I would say that McDaniel is the only real one they have.

RICK FOX!

>>Q. What do the C's need with another 6-7 man?
>
>The difference is that this 6'7'' man can probably grab 500 rebounds at least
>with the Celtics.
>
RICK FOX!!

>I hope the Celts don't try to move Gamble.  From when I've seen him, he's
>shot awfully well.  Personally, I don't think Fox is much of an asset to
>Boston.

RICK FOX!!!

Fox can shoot, pass, defend, rebound, and is also a gate draw.  
Gavitt called him shortly after the X Man signing to reassure him
that he still had a job.  (of course, if Washington wants Fox for Gugs...)

Brought to you by the Techies for Fox fan club.


 - Ellie (in a momentary adolescent mood)
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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: T-Wolves self-destructing
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:25:05 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <BuB9Fy.1uo@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>
>On the slow news Celtics front - there are rumors that potential PF
>replacements Walter Berry and Joe Wolf are both headed overseas (Berry
>with Paok in Greece).  Say it ain't so, Walter!

 The name Walter Berry doesn't do much for Portland fans. Greece is
far too nice a place for that turkey. The far reaches of Hell would
be just about right.

> Gavitt has poked his nose into the McDaniel camp, but Xman is looking
>for far more than the C's have available, plus he's not a 4/5.

 By now everyone must know Xman is a Celtic. I've been waiting to read
about this on the net from New York and Boston fans for 2 solid days
now, but alas....All I've been reading is how the Knicks are going to
go to the finals with a lineup including X. What's the prognosis now
that X == C? if(!NewYork) ? Chicago : Boston;

>        Ellie Cutler

  Ed


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From: dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: X-man to Boston
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:23:24 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

In article <1992Sep11.151756.5690@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>I'm sorry.  I rarely flame on anyone.  But anyone who thinks that Kevin Gamble
>has more of a future than Fox in the NBA is stoned.  The only thing that Gamble
>does better than Rick is stick an open jumper.  Fox drives better, has much
>better range, rebounds better, passes better, and is the best defender the
>Celtics have.  There realy is no comparison.  Most people around here felt
>that Rick would have started this year over Gamble had X not signed.  Fox was


Everyone in Boston LOVES Rick Fox's enthusiasm and hustle.  But he
hasn't shown true NBA talent at ANY facet of the game.  He occasionally
throws in a 3-pointer but occasionally bricks 3 in a row, he plays
tenacious defense but commits far too many fouls, and
he made innumerable bad decisions.  As I recall, he had a lot of shots
blocked, due to his eager sense to go to the hole (good) but with a
limited ability to adjust (bad).  And, of course, you and most of
Boston believe (thank you, Tom Heinsohn) that he was the innocent
victim of rookie year officiating.

I don't know how Rick Fox will develop.  Maybe he will become a solid
NBA player but maybe he will not.  I don't think he has the skills
to ever be an all-star.

Now, to get to the point.  You (and others; yes, it's popular around
here) demean Kevin Gamble's accomplishments.  True, he has defensive
limitations (a good defensive team can cover that as the C's did over
the last month of the season - note without Bird, who has his own
individual defensive limitations) BUT ... he is a scorer and his
FG% and FT% last year speak for themselves.  I don't have the stats
handy but how you can ASSUME that Fox will be as valuable as Gamble
is beyond me.  Maybe he will be.  But Gamble has NBA-proven skills
in some facets (his big sin is that he doesn't have star quality in
ALL facets of the game); Fox has shown none.

I can remember games in which Fox got 4 fouls, shot 0-4 but dove a
few times and got a standing O when he left the game.  BFD.  That
does not an NBA player make.
--
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Company: Kendall Square Research 
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From: isc10122@nusunix3.nus.sg (ER HAN KOON)
Subject: Bird's farewell?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:19:24 GMT

    To ER is human.
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD KICK DT!
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:12:03 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <18597.2aabb3bd@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 8914357b@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.035426.224@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
>> HERE ARE SOME VALID REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD BEAT THE USA TEAM THAT
>> COMPETED IN BARCELONA, COMMONLY KNOW AS THE DREAM TEAM (PROBABLY BECAUSE
>> THEY'RE ALL HALF ASLEEP?)
>> 
>> 1. AUSTRALIA BEAT PUERTO RICO BY 40 POINTS, THE USA COULD ONLY MANAGE A
>> MEAGRE 38 POINTS..... AND AUSTRALIA DIDN'T PLAY ITS STAR PLAYERS MUCH IN
>> THE SECOND HALF...
>> 
>> 2. THE NBA DOES NOT ALLOW A ZONE DEFENCE.... ONLY MAN TO MAN... HENCE WE
>> COULD EXPLOIT THIS INABLILITY ON THE PART OF THE USA..... AND AUSTRALIA
>> HAS BEEN PROVEN AS A VERY EFFICENT DEFENCIVE TEAM...
>> 
>> 3. EGO: THE USA THINK THEY ARE ALMIGHTY , ARE THEY REALLY? THEY ARE JUST
>> 12 MEN OF WHICH FIVE PLAY ON A BASKETBALL COURT AT ANY ONE TIME, AS DOES
>> AUSTRALIA, BEING TO LAX AND THINKING THEY ARE GREAT COULD SPELL THEIR
>> LOSS.
>> 
>> 4. TEAM? IS THE USA A TEAM? I DONT THINK SO, IT IS JUST A GROUP OF NBA
>> ALL STARS WITH GREAT INDIVIDUAL TALENT, BUT NOT MUCH TEAM TALENT, JUST
>> TELL ME HOW LONG HAS THAT TEAM BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER FOR, AND FOR HOW
>> MANY GAMES....
>> 
>> AUSTRALIA ON THE OTHER HAND IS A TEAM, WHICH MANG
> 
> Being an Australian, I feel it is my patriotic duty to explain what has 
> happened here.....
> 
> Australia never got to play the Dream Team, and we managed to be a team by a
> bigger margin than the DT.  Hence, Australian logic, twisted by the fact that
> we managed to beat New Zealand in the Olympics, has led someone to grant Bryan
> an early release from whichever institution he was in.

> Munster..


       I thought beating New Zealand should have given us the
    Gold Medal automatically...      

       
    
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:00:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200340.18140@unx.ucc.okstate.edu> u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.132910.11306@newstand.syr.edu> bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight) writes:
>
>>	Sure was a surprise to me, as the 1990 All-Star Game wasn't in Chicago.
>>:-) The game was in 1988, and I have it on tape.  It surely wasn't a surprise
>>that Jordan won the MVP, what with everybody except Isiah Thomas passing him
>>the ball...[...stuff deleted]                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>				Whoa now little doggie!!  Isiah probably
>had the most spectacular pass of that game.  He got a steal, then
>proceded to run down the court for an apparent easy lay-in, but instead
>kissed the ball off the backboard to a waiting MJ to stuff it in.  Most
>incredible!

No, that was 1989.  No way did Isiah Thomas not pass Jordan the ball in
'88 though...all of his teammates were trying to get the ball to him.  What
about that game ending alley-oop to Jordan after which he pointed at Isiah
saying thank you?  Everyone passed to Jordan that game because it was in
Chicago, and it pissed Dominique Wilkins off.  'Nique played second fiddle
to Jordan all week, despite doing great in the game.  He had his slam dunk
crown stolen by the Chicago crowd.