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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Illegal March by 1000 Indians at Batu Caves
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:09:07 GMT

cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
: 
: At least the chief minister of Penang has a PhD !!!
: I hope he is different from Dr Neo Y P (in MCA few years ago).
: Anwar Ibrahim - IMHO he used to be a radical.  I've seen him in one TV
: interview (in SBC), speaking in English.  He didn't answer the 

What was the question? What was his answer?

: question - just going around the bushes. I was not impressed.
: What about Badawi (sp?) from Butterworth ?
I talked to him personally in Tokyo around 1983.

He said that the "best" Malays will be sent to Japan.

My questioin:If the "best" were sent to Japan, then some may fail to adapt to
the "chinese characters" and they also will waste time learning new languages?

His answer: Well, not the "best", rather among the "better ones" or (something
like that, I cannot recall correctly).


Isn't that round the bush style? All intellectuals will use this technique,
because there is no absolute answer to everything, and people make mistakes.
The key point is that you admit mistakes, even in public and attempt to 
correct it. He was not angry when I pointed out that question, he just smiled.

I detect that you are the one going round the bush. You have not given any fact
but rather your conclusion, as though you are the most clever person on "earth".

Only a jeweller know the quality of a jewel.

Almost all politicians go round the bush to an extent especially given a 
controversial topic. Since you do not seem to know this, I ignore your
conclusion. However please provide us with facts. I want to review my opinion
on Anuar.

	People could change.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rfeadf@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Andrew Finegan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Brunei - some information please
Summary: Would like to hear from people who have studied or taught at  U of Brun
Keywords: Brunei, academic life
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:42:37 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

Hi folks,
	Recently a number of 3 year contract academic positions were advertised
for the Universiti Brunei Darussalam. I am interested to hear of the experience
of anyone who has either studied or lectured there.

I am also interested in general comments about day-to-day life in Brunei. All I
really know at present is:

.	It is an independent sultanate surrounded by the Malaysian State of
	Sarawak.

.	It is ethnically Malay.

.	Its economy is based on oil production. There is no income tax. Are
	there any other taxes?

I have previously lived on Christmas Island (in the Indian Ocean) and have
some idea of the regional cultures. However CI was very remote and very small
(only 3300 people when I was there in the 1970's).

Thanks in advance,

Andrew


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of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:49:09 GMT

Hello there, let me make this very clear. The fine for not flushing
public toilets in Singapore is S$150. One hundred and fifty dollars, not
$1500 or $1000 or any other amount!

--
---------------------------------------------------------
Tan Gim Wee
EE Dept, NUS
internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
"Born to inspire, Destined to perform."
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:31:27 GMT

mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
: applied for a Colombo Plan scholarship as it is reserved for Bumis only.

I actually applied for Colombo plan but did not get any reply at all.

: She managed to get a loan finally through her father's connection. On the 

There are cases where a chinese with connection can get a scholarship whereas
a bumi with no connection cannot, and it is not due to any lack of academic
qualification.
	The problem as I see it is not a matter of policy, rather
implementation. All my 3 youngest brothers and sisters only managed to get
loans from Sabah foundation, not from JPA. They do not bother or know how
to apply. Now the policy is not to give scholarship.

: other hand, the scholarship interviewing Board would
: actually go to the residential schools to offer the Form 5 and  6 students
: scholarships to go overseas. :

My sistem was asked to attend the interview at her former college TKC, of
course she cannot go there as we have no relative in Seremban, so she did not
get it.
`	A colleague of mine actually went to his former school in Kelantan.
Remember that the air fare from Sabah to West Malaysia is a lot and so is the
living expenses.

: Talking about 'connections' I still insist
: that it is very rampant from personal experience as well as friends'.

Connections exist but there are ways to surpass that. government servants are
tied by regulations and there are various layers of protection. There does not
seem to be any racial bias apart from those NEP policies which should be
made known but can still be circumvented given the right connection.

There are a few tricks used by the scholarship board to deny unwanted, such
as bumis from Sabah from getting scholarships and jobs. 

The most common is that we do not send the forms in time.
2nd, the students/applicants do not go for interview because the forms were
not even sent at the correct time.

Those of you in KL will be able to solve both problems by personally going
there. Sabahans at least can apply to local scholarship/loan giving bodies,
provided the timber revenue is still sufficient.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: RE: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:11:40 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Laurence Godfrey) writes ever so eloquently 
(NOT!!!!) :

GL> I too was taught logical thinking, and I have a 1st class hon 
  > degree in physics and a PhD in Ni En nucl phys to prove it.
  > If it's irresponsible to criticise undemocratic countries with 
  > silly laws, then I'm certainly irresponsible and I intend to 
  > continue being so.  Mocking too, if that makes people sit up 
  > and pay attention. 
 
Gee, thanx for the tip man. Never knew that I was so stupid to 
respond to someone that just wants attention. Thanx for 
letting us in on the big secret. Sorry for wasting bandwidth 
to y'all (a la Tai) s.c.a. colleagues. I guess this will be 
the last time I am responding to you, Mr. Godfrey.
 
P.S. I hear THE GAP has a trans-atlantic mail ordering 
service for baggy pants. Its target segments are 
PHDs-in-whatever-that's-crying-baby-because-all-
he-wants-is-attention!!!! :)  
 
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|  THE OBVIOUS CHOICE FOR INTELLIGENT PEOPLE EVERYWHERE...HE   |
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v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kwlee@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kwok Lee)
Subject: TEXAS A&M
Summary: Urgent! Looking for MR. LIang Chen Seng
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:15:30 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: TEXAS A&M

HI,
     I am looking for Mr. Liang Chen Seng, aSingaporean that
      Transferred from OU in the summer of 92.
     
    He should be majoring in EE-CS. It is of the utmost importance
    taht I contact him.

    If anyone in A&M is able to reach him, please inform him and
pass on my mailing address, kwlee@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu

Alternatively, you can give me his email or home mailing address.

You effort will be much appreicated.


David Lee
:wq
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.024734.21973@nuscc.nus.sg>, iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep30.154247.27065@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
> >
> >	the real gross thing in singapore, i think
> >	is all these parents encouraging their kids
> >	to pee in the drains.

(Stuff deleted)

> This kind of deduction and reasoning is without base. Peeing into the
> drains has existed in Singapore since the "Kampong days".  Nowadays,
> How many young adults in Singapore have you noticed peeing in the
> drains? If there are any, are they brought up doing so by their
> parents?  
> You can frequently find people (worse still, they are adults) in the
> US (like New York City) peeing on the streets. Do they do that because
> they, or their parents, want to show their resentment, or love, of the
> lack of law enforcement in the country? Similar things happen in
> Japan. What's your conclusion then? I don't know about Switzerland.
> Can someone verify this?

I believe the original poster was making an observation and not a scientific
study of % increase of people who pee into drains. However, I tend to share
his observation. I still do see quite a lot of folks, at bus-stops or while
walking home from the market 'assisting' their kids(of both sexes) to pee
into drains. Adults don't pee into drains - being much more civic minded, 
they pee into bushes. For proof of this, visit Whitley Hawker Centre after
12 a.m. and observe(note- this proof would no longer be valid if they had 
repaired the toilet)

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:30:29 GMT

: 	But fact and common sense cannot be ignored. The interest of a few
: people^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

			Oh yes you can!

  must still be protected, because they are Malaysians.
: 
: : them.
: Like invading Malaysia and take away Malaysia territory forever, instead of
: doing it silently?
: 
: --
: Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
: Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
: Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
: Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
:
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:40:34 GMT

"Singapore in an excellemt example......excellent enviroment."

I wondet what Othman is referring to.  As far as I know, all major
tourist spots are MAN MADE, like How Par Villa, Sentosa, Chinese Garden,
Bird Park, Botanical Garden (Artificially planted).....the list go on
and on.  About saving the environment, has Singapore started promoting
recycling yet, besides the old fashion kalang-guni ?


Kelvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Summary: you know more than that....
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.002402.6052@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
> 
> 
> Granted. So whacha wanna talk about? Food? Seems to me like any/every
> conversation will turn to food. So here's my list of places to eat
> in Penang:
> 
> 1. Char Koay Teow: Kimberley St. ($2.50/plate but with prawns and crab meat)
> 
> 2. Laksa: Where else but Ayer Itam (heard it's been stated in history books)
> 
> 3. Ais Kacang: Swatow Lane ($0.60/bowl but well worth it; I know the snooker
>    	       parlor Ah Ee next door)
> 
> 4. Roti Canai: Half way across round-island. Not many people know abt it but
> 	       "garing" as hell. I think they "tarik" properly.
> 
> 5. Nasi Kandar: Opposite Odeon Theatre. Serves Nasi Tomato too. Ex-Penang
> 		foreign "goli-keeper" eats there too. Self acclaimed
> 		LINE CLEAR ROAD but you cannot find it in any map.
> 
> 6. Cendol: Penang Road. Famous too. But must eat the store on the right.
> 	   Store on left sucks.
> 
> 7. Mee-Goreng: Near CRC. Quote from them, "Agong boleh nanti, kamu
> 	       tak boleh nanti, ah?" in referrance to the Sultan of
> 	       Perlis allegedly eating there.
> 
> 8. Chee-Cheong-Fun: everywhere also good; as long as katis of prawn paste.
> 
> 9. Satay: Mamak stall that goes around "pasar-tani" everyday. Dude has an
> 	  ATUR. Cost $0.10...yes 10 cents... per stick (1992). Want his # ??
> 
> 10. Rice and vege: "Siah-Boey". Trishaw men eats there too but you can find
> 		   Mercedes Benz stopping by at 3.00am eating too. 
> 
> 
> So there...beat that!
> 
> 
> ATAN

Hey pal,

	That was a very delicious listing of M'sian food but unfortunately I'm
not there to enjoy it. You don't just have to talk about food!!!!
		Don't tell me you don't know anything else to talk about?
Let me give you a list of things that you can talk about if you don't have any.

1 --> Malaysian economics (job employment, living style and cost)
2 --> Malaysian education system
3 --> Malaysian politics (current issues.. and not Mig29 or F16)
4 --> Country's latest development
5 --> Sports
6 --> and etc........

So, lets be little bit more open minded here. I'm not against anybody. I just
didn't same articles to be posted hundred times and arguing each others 
capabilities of attacking one and another.

I hope to read more interesting articles from now on in this newsgroup.

Geeva Subramaniam
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:33:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BvEJGM.BLz
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

In article <1992Sep28.200426.11402@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.192023.25343@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> >
> >Under "extreme duress", I have been "forced" to contribute
> >an issue that might be of interest to the newsgroup.
> >
> >I choose Samyvellu and MIC. Previously there has been posts in
> >this newsgroup calling for the removal of corrupt gov't officials
> >in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a little premature to judge
> >Samyvellu for his latest TELEKOM debacle, but I hereby nominate
> >Mr Samyvellu as the candidate to be removed. Afterall, from what
> >I heard from my Indian friends, he has contributed diddly to
> >the Indian community and has not proved his worth.
> >
> >Do y'all remember the casket incident and the lost of the casket?
> >Sheeeeshhh...how low can politics stoop.
> >
> >
> >ATAN
> >
> >p.s. Hmmm...1 article on food, and one on Samyvellu so far.
> >     How many do you have Geeva Subramaniam???
> >
> 
> This article makes me wonder what contributions have the MIC and also
> the MCA leaders made to improve the livelihood of the people they are
> suppose or they claim to represent i.e. the INdian and Chinese
> respectively.  I am no political science student and not at all well
> verse with the M'sian political scene but my impression is these
> people are just a bunch of selfish aand corrupt individuals..
> furthering their own interests causing hardships to the people...
> like the Cooperative scam and Tan Koon Swan case.  I remember very
> recently, on MIC big shot was investigated for pornography.
> 
> Perhaps being an outside, my impression and perception
> doesn't hold water 8).
> 
> -Mann
> 
> 
  You right. MIC and MCA and filled with bunch of selfish souls. About the
pornography incident: Since, we don't have a speficic law that can execute
people who are acting in pornography scenes there is nothing much the 
government can do about the D.P.Vijandran who made those tapes and to other
actresses. But, they government were thinking of executing those people who
were responsible to distributing those tapes.

When I was home two months ago, I happened to catch up with this issue.
When Vijandran was convicted for possessing pornography tapes, Samy promised
the authority to destroy the tapes and to help to close the case. Apparently,
Samy didn't do so and when Vijandran started questioning Samy about the
Telecom's share scandal, Samy got upset and told one of his "man" to make 
copies of the tapes and distribute it to the public to keep Vijandran's mouth
shut. What a leader ???

All this, has caused so much dissappointment among the Indian community. I
believe MCA is pretty quiet right now. 


Geeva Subramaniam :)
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NTU E-Mail address
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:56:53 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <s897279.718360919@otto>, s897279@otto (Buck YEO) writes:
> I'm trying to locate a friend who is doin' Engineering in NTU.  Unfortunately,
> I have only his name and haven't got his log-in ID and e-mail address.
> Can someone please tell me the address and also if possible, the way to 
> locate him.
> 
> Thank you.

	The absolutely best way to get your friend's email address and userid
is to write to him.  The chances of someone who knows him reading this
newsgroup is quite low.  Usually, local directories maintained by the system
are not available to the local users (on VAX/VMS systems, I know about finger!) 
You might want to try netfind, but I doubt if NTU maintains a x-500 directory
service (no idea what it is... :))
	In anycase, the address is NTUVAX.NTU.AC.SG.  Ciao.

-Tai
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Environment - Singapore
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:04:25 GMT
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine


I hope ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk is not being upset by me.  I've been in the US
for 3 years.  No doubt this country has lots of problems but the natural
wonder never cease to amaze me.

I've been to Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Denali, Prince Willian Sound,
Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Zion, Death Valley .....It is
hard to express the feeling of standing right at the bottom of a 
granite cliff of 5000 ft tall, and those things has been around for
million years.  To some of you I may sound wied.  But those stuff
make me feel that man is relatively insignificant.

I know that we do have such things to offer in Malaysia.  But our
people is still going thru the slow process of learning to 
appreciate nature.  As long as this is not achieved, those places
in Malaysia are better kept unpublicised and left for those die-hard
travellers who are prepared to hike days through our rain forest to
explore them.

Kelvin
From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Indo. Gov't critical of RTM Dili docu.
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:59:02 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Radio Australia reported, Sunday, 9/27, that the Indonesian government
protested to the Malaysian government about RTM's airing of a
Malaysian documentary about the "Dili Massacre". The Malaysian
government responded that it hadn't been aware that RTM was airing any such
documentary.

Evidently the Malaysian documentary was critical of the Indonesian
police and army's role during the "Dili Massacre".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
	Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:49:51 GMT
	<CLIPPER.92Oct1195614@gleep.csd.uwo.ca> <BvH7Dw.IM@ecf.toronto.edu>

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:05:55 GMT, huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG
>>>>> SUNG CHING) said:

HUANG> I have noticed that they are all independent schools.  I don't
HUANG> know much about them since they all became independent after I
HUANG> left Singapore.  Maybe they can get all the funds for better
HUANG> facility to attract better students.

What is an independant school? When did Singapore start having
independant schools? What are the criteria to become an independant? I
left too long ago to know but I am curious.
 
HUANG> Dunman is well-known to people living in the East Coast Area,
HUANG> for example Katong and Marine Parade.  I heard that Dunman High
HUANG> has taken over the buildings that belonged to Dunman Secondary
HUANG> now.  The school has also become independent.  I am not from
HUANG> Dunman, but from one of the neighbouring schools.

But they were still confused about the two Dunmans when I was there.
So Dunman took over Dunman Secondary too, eh? It took over Dunman
Primary School in 1981, I think. The school is sure big now. Not the
three-buildings-plus-canteen-and-assembly-hall school when I was
there.  Don't know whether they still have to go to Tanjong Katong
Technical Secondary School for technical classs (are there still
technical classes?).

Oh well. I am still the lone Dunman Alumnus on the network, I guess.
Singapore chinese school graduates in Universities were a rare breed
when I entered university and I guess it is extinct now.

Khun Yee
--
Khun Yee Fung    clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Subject: Re: Test Sent
Reply-To: kahchan@iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:05:54 GMT

In article <chaojira.717785741@sfu.ca> chaojira@fraser.sfu.ca (Viboon Chaojirapant) writes:
]lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim) writes:
]
]
]>In article <1992Sep29.033521.9116@news.Hawaii.Edu>, guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang) writes:
]>$ Sender	: ZHANG Guiyu
]>$ 	: CHANG Kui Yu
]>$ 	: Julian 
]>$ 	
]>$ School	: Nanyang Pri
]>$ 	  CHS
]>$ 	  HCJC
]>$ 	  NTU
]>$ 	  UH
]>$  
]>$ 
]>$ 
]
]
]          ........stuffs deleted......... 
]>  
]>"Old boy" of CHS and HCJC,
]             ^^^^^
]
]    It is nice to see that there are CHS's old boys in the net. 
                                      ^^^
Does that mean Catholic High or Chinese High?  For fans of the latter I
am happy to report that our alma mater ranked number 4 in the list of
"best high schools" released by the govt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ktan@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS (cpts330))
Subject: Malaysia Cup
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 08:24:53 GMT


	Does anybody know the most recent results of Malaysia Cup? I would
	appreciate if somebody can post it.
From: hmeedin@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject:  ex
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:59:57 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University



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