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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Doug vs. Marty: the Movie
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:40:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: pay attention, kiddies...
Followup-To:      doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>
Keywords: do you have your notebooks out?  -=-< humor >-=-

In article <1992Apr10.004643.3747@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:

>Where *ARE* the Shaw Brothers when you need 'em?????
>
>Hey...they could make this into a *musical*. I can hear the theme
>song now (maybe a duet):
>
>	"Knock three times..on the ceiling if you wa-ant me..."
>
>Now *who* was complaining that we'd gotten all tolerant, mushy, and
>excessively polite ;-)
>
>Steve

	geeze!  i hope you kiddies are out there taking notes!  this
man is on the way to true enlightened genius!  i always thought i
would be good in a starring role.  
	(by the way, am i cast as the heavy?  or am i the old master
taunting the brash young student to see that his skill - mighty as it
is - can be better, so he has to be tutored the hard way to become a
'true' master.....  that * is * funny, but i have this costume, and 
this long thin pipe..... whap! 'not that way.... this is an ancient
shaolin technique..... 'farmer feeds the pig' ....'  whap!!  lower
stance!  snap whap!!  lowweeeerrrr..... that's right!  i'll be back 
in three days, ... to check on you... hey hey hey...)
	as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: Novice T'ai Chi Questions (Physiology Effects)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:37:56 GMT

In article <22754@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr14.162028.12475@bqnes74.bnr.ca> kowal@bnr.ca (Andrew Kowal) 
|> 	writes:
|>  
|>  +1) My instructor mentioned that studying T'ai Chi could make one "thick 
|>  +   around the middle."  Breathing and concentrating etc. "from the gut"
|>  +   leads to a large waist.  Has anyone else heard this?  Is he talking about
|>  +   muscle gain (this is what I assume) or something else?

|> There are masters who have/had this odd, sometimes even "bowling ball",
|> type of shape.  Yang Cheng-fu while not exactly shaped like a bowling
|> ball, was an extremely large man who, in his later days, had a very
|> pronounced gut (he did die young).  There are others (e.g., Ma Yueliang), 
|> although there are many other masters or teachers (e.g., Dong Yingjie, 
|> Wang Peisheng, Sun Lu-tang, etc.) who were small and/or thin guys.  My 
|> own opinion is that this gut frequently arises because of the nature of 
|> training where the focus is on mental training and body posture but 
|> less so on standard body hardening and aerobic-style training so lots of 
|> folks can get bigger.

I heard that some styles of Tai Chi have a greater tendency to expand the
gut than others.  Is there someone out there who can speak from personal
experience?  (The comparison I heard was between Wu and Yang Styles.)

Another anecdote:  I'm told that Yang Cheng-fu's father used to harrass him
about using his weight rather than relying upon appropriate technique.


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From: liblit@cs.psu.edu (Benjamin R. Liblit)
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Organization: /usr/new/lib/news/organization
	<zt7Hdm6l6@cs.psu.edu> <5381@hsi86.hsi.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:05:21 GMT

In article <5381@hsi86.hsi.com> mallon@hsi86.hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft) writes:
>
>On a related note, has anyone noticed that certain people seem to get
>smacked in the groin more than others?

Actually, I've observed the flip side of this.  There used to be a
woman in my dojang who the guys all hated to spar.  She was guaranteed
to plant a kick right in your groin, every time.  You were scared of
her if you were wearing a cup, and didn't go *near* her if you weren't.


--
			Ben Liblit
			liblit @ cs.psu.edu -- brl102 @ psuvm.psu.edu
			"Fais que tes reves soient plus longs que la nuit."
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Shoulders (M. Freeman)
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:11:17 GMT


Well, this is going to be a little tough in writing.  There are some
subtleties that I am sure even Oopalie is missing.  I say that because she
says her guru's manner of performance is better (naturally).  They move the
shoulders in this form as a means of avoiding sword cuts oddly enough.
She said in the end, in practice, the shoulders rotate unbelievably fast.  And
in the form, they use real swords.  Her teacher says that this motion is
essential because its failure can mean the loss of a limb.  In my taiji
practice, the shoulder is essential for other reasons, but the net result
seems to be the same.

Anyway, here goes:

Basically, you stand straight and practice "seesawing" your shoulders, keeping
them in a straight line.  That is, you don't do what I begin doing almost
immediately--rotating them through the front and rear planes.  Instead, you
just seesaw them up and down paying close attention to a point on your spine
parallel to the base of your shoulder blade.  If you draw a line from the base
of your shoulder blade to your spine, there it is.  You practice this motion
rather slowly, concentrating on the opposition of the raised shoulder in
contrast to the spine which you will feel as tending to "bunch up" in
opposition to the raised shoulder.  Then shift the other way.  Just continue
doing this back and forth with the hands down at your sides.  

This is my best explanation, honest.
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Here we go again...
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:25:23 GMT
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In article 2728@unisql.UUCP, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>	The drawback to aikido as self defense is that it takes a 
>relatively long time to master to the extent that you can use it against
>a skilled and determined opponent.  The drawback to judo as self defense is
>that strikes are seldom taught and almost never studied in depth. It
>can also be weak against multiple attackers.

Judo can actually be a very strong defense against multiple attackers.
The same principle applies in that you cause the opponents to get
in each others way. But, in Judo, the Judoka has the advantage of
flying opponents, with legs and arms going in every which direction.
This is quite disconcerting to many opponents.

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:46:10 GMT
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

In article <MARY.92Apr7191628@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>AN hakama?  Heh heh heh.
>
sigh...

a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
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a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama
a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama


-m.a.
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: multiple opponents; combat vs. self-defense
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:31:24 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr13.213202.10718@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>
>  This is not as mystical as it sounds.  In fact, one quickly learns
>  that it is the only way to do it.  If any other arts seriously train 
>  against multiple opponents, I'd like to hear about them (I do not
>  consider most forms of two-on-one sparring to count, for the reasons 
>  given above.)

I wonder why you say this. We train in two-on-one, three-on-one,
eight-on-one, heck, however many we can put on one in whatever
combinations we can dream up. I didn't see any reason 'given
above' to suppose there is anything about such sparring that
makes it useless. On the contrary, you are quite right that about
the first thing multiple opponents try to do is crowd you and
attack simultaneously; of course, it is the single fighter's
objective to prevent that from happening.
From: fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What's the point?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:33:31 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Apr13.02651.2270@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:> 
>  In the end, as with with a lot of things, the only real meaning has to
> come from within yourself.  Enjoy the trip.

	Thanks, I'll try. But y'know, allthose knucle push-ups can make it
a *little* less enjoyable. :)

>  Heh heh...not too long ago someone I know was told, seriously, that
> all martial art classes are cults.  Heh.

	I s'pose you could say that.
> 
>>I'm just wondering if there's some thing I should actually work for in my quest
>>for black belt?
>>
> 
>   Well, I'll give you some unasked for advice. Don't quest after that
> black belt.  If it's going to really mean something, it'll be a symbol
> both of achievement and your teachers belief in you.

	I understand what you say, but... Well, I am, in a sense going for
my black belt. But it's not the black belt that makes it the whole big deal.
I don't really consider it the main end result. Point is, I really wouldn't
care if I got my black belt or not, I just want to feel in myself that I am 
good enough to earn one if I want one. I don't care to be the best in the world
but I wan't to be proficient anough and good enough to feel that I deserve one.

	
> 
>  Now, if you want a quest,  try making that horse stance a little better
> every day.  Despite the smile, I'm dead serious!  :-)
> 
	Horse stances a little better? Maybe just my stances in general, eh? :)

> Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
                                    ^^^^^^^^

BTW: I believe normal should be banned from the english language. It implies
that there is something that most people should be , which is not true. Average
is a far more appropriate word. Strive to raise the average, then bring 
yourself above that.

(another rather pointless and generally uninspired saying from the desk of
Sonya Chang)

Sonya

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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: Which Martial Art
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:21:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.151917.22548@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) says:
>>Check it out. You will like it. No traditional stuff. Their moto is
>>"We don't want to win a price for beauty - we wanna be hard, brutal,
>>effective, fast and without mercy".
>Uh-oh.....another post claiming that other styles are for show and tell!

No, I don't meant to say this is better than that bt the orginal poster asked
for non-traditional stuff and I gave my opinion.

>>I do JiuJitsu with lots of ATF elements in it and it's great.
>>JiuJitsu includes a lot of techniques from Judo, Karate, TKD, ATF, Kung Fu,
>>Wing Tsung, ... .
>
>Maybe your instructor is adding techniques from other styles, but other
>wise your statement is the farthest thing from the truth.  JuJitsu
>has aboslutely nothing to do with Karate, Kung Fu, wing chun and the like
>and is a distant relative of judo and aikido.  All martial arts are
>realated in a sense to the chinese arts becuase of the flow of martial
>knowlege but that's where the buck stops.

You're right. This is how our instructor teaches it. Other JiuJitsu schools
I have seen have a complete different programm. Alot of traditional stuff.
None of our techniques.

>>I like Jiu because you not only learn to defend against all kind of weapons
>>and open hand and kicks and whatever - you also learn to fall correctly
>>if you are forced. Also several throws and holding and transporting 
>>techniques are included. 
>
>Again, this is included in many other if not all the martial arts.
I DID NOT SAY that it ain't included in OTHER I only said it is included
in JiuJitsu at my dojo !!!

If you're looking for trouble I glady meet you a 2:00 am under the brooklyn
bridge so we can see who has the better system!

:-) :-) :-)

>For thost of you that don't know, Wing Tsun is Wing Chun.  It has
I just have learned that WT and WC are close but not the same. Here in germany
as far as I know only WT is known. The European WT master lives in germany.
It's name is "Kernspecht" an I think I he is 9th teachergrade.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
CBR600F2 (street) - NS400R (track)
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: have you heard of...
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:42:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr9.154223.28464
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences

In article <IdstE7W00UoJNWDI5s@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>	I read an article recently about Police Training, and one San
>Soo instructor in CA said that police tactics were often "watered
>down" versions of the original brutal MA techniques. He then made the
>comparison to prescription drugs - if you take less than the
>prescribed dosage, it probably won't work, and it may end up making
>things worse.
>
>Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
>stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]

	Police, however, are under considerably more constraints
moraly than a private person, IMHO. They can't just poke someone's
eyes out in a fight, because they are expected to be able to handle
things a little better. In other words, they have to be able to
physically coerce people, whereas I can just cripple them and walk
away. I don't have to touch an agressive drunk unless attacked, but a
cop might have to be able to arrest or lead him away. If attacked, I
can be pretty severe in my defense, but a cop can't just walk up to
the guy and club him in the face, even if he is being violent (a la
Rodney King).
	Personally, I think that they would be better off learning the
full range of martial arts, and take supplemental courses on
less-than-devistating attacks and grabs.
			Ed Hartnett
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:08 GMT
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In article @engin.umich.edu, hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert) writes:
>  
>>
>>I've been a bouncer for 7 years, and a martial-artist for 12.  I've
>>never, ever had a chance to use a kick.  Those that have told me different,
>>and those of you who would tell me "Well, *I* could kick them, and *I*
>>would hit them with my super-high roundhouse" have never been in a
>>fight one day in their lives.

If you are trying to say that anyone who said that they would use a kick
in a street fight has never been in a real fight, then this has got to
be one of the stupidist comments I have ever seen in this group.  If what 
you are trying to say that if someone is trying to second guess you without
having been in your exact position, then I might tend to agree.  Anyone who
has seen action knows that every time is different, and certain techniques
wil not work everywhere for everyone (like a 6'5" person trying kicks in
a crowded enclosed bar).

>
> Myself, I'm not a high kicker, and
>cannot side kick more than half my body height(I'm 6'5").  I can
>front kick to my nose-height, but that's it, and I'd NEVER try it in
>a bar figt, much less a street encounter.

Here we differ a lot.  I can high kick, over my head with a side kick, roud
house, front thrust...I would ALMOST never do it in real life, but I can.  Not
only that, but I kick faster than most people in my studio(s) have been able
to punch.  I'm not as good as my head instructor, who can throw a side kick
almost vertically to head hight (does it very quickly too), but kicking for
me has worked well on, and off the streets.

>  Punching is usually
>your best route, 

Usually YOUR best route, not the best route for a 5'2" female that weighs a
factions of the amount of her attacker, the best thing she can do is try
to keep him from grabbing her (unless she is VERY good at the grappling
arts).  With your size and (I assume) strength I would guess that getting in
close would make LOTS of sence for you.  Also remember that what is punching 
distance for you, might be kicking distance for the 5'2" female. 

>as you get close to them, they limit themselves
>in wat they can do, since they're not adept at in-fighting as you and
>I might be.  A good takedown will always help here as well, as you
>can get 'em down, and start with knees, eye and throat gouges.
>(Hey, if they want you hurt, you hurt them to STOP them, not just
> get in one lick and get up...they want you DEAD if need be!)
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:47:07 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr8.173919.26057@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:

>In article <87pf02Ob0fqO01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com writes:

>> Look at your opponent in the eyes, not at his feet nor the 
>>center of his body.  Before your opponent attack you, he will glance at the 
>>point that he is aiming at.  You can verify this for yourself.


>  I never really believed this myself, looking into the opponent's eyes.
>  Watching their center, I can better see their footwork, as well as any
>  front instep kicks to the chin (ouch!).  

>  Lovret Sensei seems to agree.  In The_Way_and_The_Power, he states that
>  seniors basically defocus their eyes and watch nothing in particular,
>  so looking into their eyes will tell you nothing, whereas a beginner's
>  actions are so slow that (in the case of kenjutsu) "your arm will be
>  cut in the wake of your block".  Relevance to karate etc. is left as
>  an exercise for the reader --


In French, they call it 'Le regard du montagne lointain.'
			The gaze of the far off mountain.

A
		i.e. as Ted writes, look at nothing in particular,
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Flame?
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 15:58:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <43096@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

>In case anyone was confused, I and Doug Cohen (at least last I
>checked-yesterday) are good friends, even though we have met only once and
>typically communicate by email.  I am rather appalled that some of you morons
>didn't understand that given the intro (obviously joking) to my post about
>returned mail.  Although I was sorely tempted to post the address of the
>person who sent me the mail below, I just thought I would comment that I think
>it was uncalled for.
>
>				*****


	pete is correct.  we are good friends.  i took his comment in
the humour that is was intended.  i then followed up with my ripost in
e-mail. 
	as always, i am/at:














Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Re: A new belt question
Keywords: belts, floor
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:08:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.215059.27658@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>
>At my first school there was an interesting practice that I haven't
>seen since. During the belt ceremony, the head instructor would give
>you your new belt, and take your old one. He would place all the old 
>ones off to one side (on the floor). After all the new belts were
>distributed, he would have everybody stand, then, with a shout, throw
>the old belts over our heads and behind us. That was the end of the 
>ceremony. Someone would collect all the old belts from the floor, and
>I presume they were all thrown in the trash. That was a Kempo school.
>Anyone else ever hear of that?
>
Sounds like what we sometimes do at our Shaolin Kempo schools.  We sometimes
call it the "Shaolin Sendoff".  The only differences is that we throw them
straight up so that the hopefully come straight down and we then get to keep
the old belt. It's presumably good luck to let the old belt fall to the floor
after throwing it.
 

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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
    <1992Apr13.015319.19892@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:09:40 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr13.015319.19892@wam.umd.edu> gumby@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (Daniel David Reynolds) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.105517.1540@brandonu.ca> lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
>> In article <31037@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)  
>writes:
> 
>> > I want to learn an effective method of unarmed self-defence - period.
>
>
>     If you ever get a chance to come to Maryland, let me know, and I will  
>show you a style which is exactly that.  It is called Tai Jutsu, developed  
>by Will Maier and his teacher, Stephen K. Hayes, with input from their  
>teacher, the 32 grandmaster of Togakure-Ryu Ninjutsu, Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi.   
>Tai Jutsu is only tought in two schools in the world (both in Maryland),  
>but it will give you a feeling of what an effective self defense style is  
>like.  I am an instructor there, and will be happy to mail you some  
>information on the style.  
>
>
>
>-Gumby

 Interesting.  From the ole 'Overlook dictionary of the martial arts',
 page 261:
 <snip>

 Taijutsu (teye-jut'soo) Jp. "body art" 1. A system of unarmed combat
similar to jujutsu and a forerunner to modern Judo. 
2. The branch of modern Judo in which it is neccessary only to throw
an opponent to secure a contest victory. Strangulations and armlocks
are excluded.
 <snip>

 And from the Manual of Judo, by EJ Harrison, page 15

 <snip>

 The term Judo today signifies the subtle Japanese art of defence and
 attack without lethal weapons which, alike in Japan itself and elsewhere
 in both hemispheres, has largely superseded the older one of Jujutsu
 (pronounced Jujitsu), also known in feudal days as taijitsu or yawara.

 <snip>


 Osu!

 Bud
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