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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Questions from a disillusioned newbie
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:50:14 PST

In <1993Jan22.013615.25815@nas.nasa.gov>, Bill Ross writes:

>In J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>|>   I've been reading this newsgroup for a couple of weeks now, and all I see
>|> is flame, flame, flame.  Is that standard here?
>|>

>Oh, no - more criticism (some sort of smile). Is that really a question?

Me?  Critical?  Never.... (insert half a smiley here)

>|>  Is it always necessary to wear a flame retardant suit here?

>Depends on what you want to discuss, I imagine. Perhaps one would
>be safe avoiding criticism of others. However, I have a theory that
>singleness may be associated w/ hypercritical examination of others,
>based on my own case. Not to say any particular flames are _wrong_,
>but being right can be a curse.

Perhaps that's true.  And while I don't wish to generalize, perhaps the reason
that some single people stay single is that their high personal standards make
it nearly impossible to find someone who is "good enough."  I think there might
also be some frustration when some genuinely good people keep having to read
about yet another person who is hung up on physical appearances.  If I were in
a desperate situation, and I heard every woman talk about how much they like
tall men (I'm 5'8") and about how bald men are a turn off (I'm prematurely
balding in a big way), then I'd likely feel a need to flame, or (more likely)
say nothing and stop reading.

Obviously, people can and do have their "dream mate," and they are usually the
standards by which prospective mates are judged--which is very unfair, but it
is completely understandable to anyone who has thought about human nature.
Certainly, they are entitled to their standards.  Where appearance is concerned
(at least to me, anyway), what is really important--more so than their weight,
their looks or their measurements--is they that the make a reasonable effort
to make the best of what they have.  I think the aspects of appearance which
are easily controlled by the individual say a lot more about the person than
do purely physical characteristics.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go stand in the corner...


Tim Irvin
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Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Bob Stop Lying to the Newbies
Keywords: Sex
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:39:39 GMT

bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
] In article <Jan.22.12.42.36.1993.7900@presto.ig.com> arb@presto.ig.com (Dan Arbios) writes:
] >
] >Is ba.singles only for people to bitch at each other!
] 
] Nope.

Come On bob, Stop Trying to Suck Up to the newbie....

ciao
drieux


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sometimes, a thing will happen after another thing, 
and they may not be connected.....
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Cloning as a way of life (was Re: Fake persons)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:41:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan26.192231.26942@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
>Today, Charlie Hand, makes me giggle with an amusing and well-written
|article:
|
|>Now, let me get this straight. "Desiree Champaign" thinks
|>"Charlie Hand" is a pseudo-name? Is it just me or is there
|>something recursive about this?
|
|	Oy!  It's just you.  It's a well known UseNet rumour that I do
|not exist and my name is fake.  And it's Champagne -- I paid damn good
|money for the name -- so please get it correct.  (Oh, since we have a
|vote going on -- let's play, "guess Desiree's real name"...that should
|provide amusement -- 

Oooh oooh, I know this one.  It's Tina Martin.

-- 
-john
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Keywords: advise,men,how to find
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:20:24 GMT
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman) attempts to suck up to:
>In article <martin.727374130@kong> martin@kong.mcco.com (Tina Martin) writes:

>>I am not a stupid person.  I am not a mean person!!!!  I only wantd to
>>meet people in the area that had somethings in comon with me.  Is that wrong?
>>

>Tina-- you are all right --

You know, it doesn't bother me that Dan (*another* Dan) tries to suck up to
what appears to be a nubile female.  What *does* bother me is that he's so
damned *blatant* about it...  Why be so obvious, and thereby reveal how
desperate you are?
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: martin@kong.mcco.com (Tina Martin)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: I am me!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:50:37 -0800
Organization: Moscone Community CO.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.mcco.com

Boy!  I havent read this board for over a week.....seems that things are
happening!!!! :)

I have taken the advise of some of you and have started to proofread my
messages. I hope it helps!

I wanted to say that I dont understand all the stuff that has happened
because of my messages.  I said what I think and if I did offend people
I did not mean to.  Some people have been very supportive in e-mail 
and I wanted to thank them for the nice words. :)

And I think this is all too funny!!!!!  :) 

I vote for Deseree to!  

I will try to make it to the Tied House tonight and meet some of you.....
but I dont know if I will.  (I have class on Tuesdays).  But if I
dont....I will do my best to make the next one and prove that I am ME!!!

tm....


Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:24:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.053705.4856@Veritas.COM> oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>>Sandalwood the Rabbit has been very sick lately, and she seems to want the
>>warmth of human companionship.  I've already spent over $1000 in an attempt to
>>get her well, but all we've been able to do is to stabilize her.  :(
>
>Ed, you are bonding with a food animal that costs some $5.  We can only
>hope that you bunny's affection and winning personality make it a worth
>while investment.  

I guess you must not have met Sterling, Oleg, or you would know the
answer.  She was sweeter and more charming than a lot of people I've
met.

Of course, rabbits are more difficult to house than, say, fish, but
it's easier to hug a rabbit than a fish, particularly the small varieties
of fish.

I do have to admit, though, that it's been many years since I've had
a rabbit in my pocket....

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Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: What to do about Dan Holmes?
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:34:51 GMT

In article <1k55n7INNo2f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>Oh Kenn,
>That hurts. I SO wanted to be accepted by you. You are my second hero.

	Yeah, I figured that out back when you were kissing my ass in
email. But I still find you a complete bore who should have more sense
than to post. Take the lampshade off your head and try to make yourself fit
company for grownups. It's downright depressing to realize that people
as desparate for attention as you even exist.

						Kayembee
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:37:46 GMT
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <1993Jan26.192408.8442@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:

>I guess you must not have met Sterling, Oleg, or you would know the
>answer.  She was sweeter and more charming than a lot of people I've
>met.
>
>Of course, rabbits are more difficult to house than, say, fish, but
>it's easier to hug a rabbit than a fish, particularly the small varieties
>of fish.

That's true.  Sandalwood has the endearing habit of worming her head
underneath my hand, then pushing up, indicating that she wants to be petted.

>I do have to admit, though, that it's been many years since I've had
>a rabbit in my pocket....

And you may have that opportunity again!  I've gotten word this afternoon that
a client has specifically requested my system admin services, based on my
experience and reputation, so if we can agree on a rate and a start date,
I will be shortly be winging my way back!  I'll be having a house party
(the "Mr. Ed Boink", I suppose) as soon as I can get settled into a house.

Know of any houses for rent in the south bay around $1100/mo that will let me
have pets?  ;)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."     -- Buddha
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: What to do about Dan Holmes?
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:53:26 GMT

In article <1k46hrINNavi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>Hmmm, wonder if your newfound attitude may have something to do with the 
>reply from me that you recieved after your vulgar e-mail to me. I know how
>annoying it can be when get your letter returned with a Meg+ file attached.

	Holmes, you are an even bigger asshole than even I imagined. And
stupid, to boot, if you think claims like this make you look good.

						Kayembee
From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:23:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) says:

>cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>>
>>It is believed that one must stay clear of this group, or they may be pulled
>>into the clutches and forced to live a life of poor cutdowns and useless 
>>flames to make themselves THINK they have a life.
>>
>
>Well, gee, Dan.  Many of us *were* beginning to wonder what your recent
>posts were all about, why you felt you had to post from Cleveland, and
>apparently couldn't find a "life" of your own there.

Here we see the speckled belly bob no-life doing the famous mating ritual that
is quite unique among the no-life Ba.singles community. We notice the 
reference to "many of us". Well, as it is well known, the many is all those 
beautiful white key's on his keyboard. It is also noticed that the speckled
belly bob no-life is unaware that the cleveland address is a freenet where
ppl can have e-mail and usenet priveledges without it costing a dime. Unlike
places frequented by the no-life community such as netcom.

As for the mating ritual, we find that when the no-lifes find a perspective
mate, they attempt to attack a like foe as the other. This mating ritual
rarely pays off, though, as the mates in the no-life community usually
devour the male of the species shortly after the mating ritual is complete.
This is good news to the rest of the community because procreation is next
to impossible with the no-lifes.
 

Merlin Parkins
>
>Thanks for the explanation.
>
>
>	Bob O'Bob
>--
>
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cd975@cleveland.freenet.edu | running with them in your hand. Memories are
Holmes@vaxt.llnl.gov        | the true measure of life. Make all you can."
                            | --Garth Brooks
From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Danny tries to be sneaky (was Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:25:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev) says:

> I am much smarter and more profound than you are. 

Yes, and your dad can beat up my dad. Why not just make a cute header like 
Aahz did proclaiming your genius to the masses. It would much much easier than
this mundane "I'm not, YOU are" childish crap. Start up yor kill file again
Oleg. And give the lovely Monica a kiss from me.

Dan 
-- 
Daniel K. Holmes            | "You can still smell the roses when you're
cd975@cleveland.freenet.edu | running with them in your hand. Memories are
Holmes@vaxt.llnl.gov        | the true measure of life. Make all you can."
                            | --Garth Brooks
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:20:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.102159.21583@Veritas.COM> oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>>I'm not currently
>>sleeping with anyone but myself, three cats and a rabbit, 
>
>Someone call SPCA!  I have heard of bizarre sexual perversions, but a
>*rabbit*?!

Sick, sick, sick!!!!  I've heard of grabbing someone's hare, but.....


Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Tina Martin: You are my hero!!!
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:38:49 GMT

In article 1jmilqINNjv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
>
>As for the mating ritual, we find that when the no-lifes find a perspective
>mate, they attempt to attack a like foe as the other. This mating ritual
>rarely pays off, though, as the mates in the no-life community usually
>devour the male of the species shortly after the mating ritual is complete.
>This is good news to the rest of the community because procreation is next
>to impossible with the no-lifes.

Uh, I read this, and my first thought was that I'm missing something.  Then
I read it again, and came to the conclusion that no, there is nothing to miss.

I find it very strange to read long postings in the third person speaking to 
a supposed audience.  Reminds me of sociology texts, none of which I managed
to stay awake thru.  

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: davis@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Jim Davis)
Subject: Who is Tina Martin
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:02:06 GMT
Organization: Who, me?

Let's start the voting.  Cast your vote for who Tina Martin is.
The front running canidates right now are:
    Robert Andrews,
    Desiree Champagne, and
    a real person borrowing someone's account.

Send your vote to <tinais@davis.hpl.hp.com> and I may tabulate
and post the result.  The vote closes midnight January 31, 1993.
-- 
Jim Davis (James W. Davis)      Palo Alto, CA (415)       857-4036
davis@hpl.hp.com                {any_of_the_biggies}!hplabs!davis
From: mcole@sub-40 (Mary Cole)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: I am me! (or something like that!)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:10:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <martin.728088153@kong> martin@kong.mcco.com (Tina Martin)  
writes:
> I will try to make it to the Tied House tonight and meet some of  
you.....but I dont know if I will.  (I have class on Tuesdays).  But if I
> dont....I will do my best to make the next one and prove that I am ME!!!


Well, well, well...
There were only a *few* of us who showed up at the Tied House boinkette  
last night, but it was a lot of fun, even for the unsuspecting souls who  
had no idea that 'complete strangers' could be having so much fun  
together. 
So....
even though she only has class on Tuesdays (what *does* that mean for the  
rest of the week, Tina? that you're an out-n-out sleaze?)
a woman claiming to be Tina showed up (sorry, but it was NOT Des), and  
surely fit the vapid, shallow, grammatically lacking image that we all  
have of our new pal (tm). 
..and she was precisely the same as the woman who showed up to spend  
quality time with Marvin (hey, where were you, anyway, Marvin?)
But was she *real*? Good question!
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Bimbo/Jerk Definitions (Was:Re: Singles Expo in Palo Alto o
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:20:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Emphasis (^^^) mine.

DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong) writes:

>>   1) A Superhuman
>>      Complex         :  A jerk has a need to feel superior.  He places
                                                ^^^^
>>                         an overemphasis on masculinity, competence,
                              ^^^^ 
>>                         abilities, and anything that makes him stand out.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>	I dont see anything wrong with it. An entire body of philosophy
>has been developed based on the innate human desire to achieve.  Read 
>Friedrich Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra." and some of his other
>writings. There is a problem when somebody tries to feel superior by stepping
>on those around him, stabbing others in the back, etc. But if he is only
>competing with himself, I have no problem with that.

Striving to achieve and trying to *feel* superior are two different things.
When someone is focused on *feeling* superior, one can't really achieve,
because one can't take criticism, either internal or external. (Criticism
destroys false feelings of superiority.) When someone is focused on
"standing out," then one is not really competing with oneself; one is using
a gauge of achievement based on the way others behave. 

If you really believe the gauge of superiority and achievement should
reside within you and not in others, try reading the I Ching instead 
of Nietzsche.

--
Stef                A man said to the universe:
stef@apple.com             "Sir, I exist!"
                    "However," replied the universe,
                    "The fact has not created in me
                    A sense of obligation."   --Stephen Crane
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Cloning as a way of life (was Re: Fake persons)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:40:39 GMT

In article <185148@pyramid.pyramid.com> mwoo@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo) writes:
>>
>>Actually, Margaret used to date a clone of Kareem Abdul Jabbar until
>>she realized he never wanted to cuddle and was a very cold person.
>>Sort of an iced Kareem clone.
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHA Bob!  That made me laugh out loud.
>OOOH, I can't resist an opening like this...
>But at least he was good to lick and melted in my mouth.
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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		your teeth.
From: tim@sybase.com (Tim Wood)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Marginal People (was  Re: Circle Jerks (was Re: Oxymorons, )
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:03:27 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1993Jan15.064342.15858@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne) writes:
>
>In today's article, Tim Wood, writes:
>>I said:
>
>>True enough.  But I infer something about a person who makes the
>>*choice* to display that aspect of himself/herself. 
>
>	True, you can infer anything you want if you really wanna get
>down to it.  But whether or not it's accurate is another matter
>entirely.  But, please, continue to infer, assume and draw conclusions...

Part of communicating effectively is to anticipate what your reader/listener
might infer from what you say.  You don't want them to make inaccurate
inferences.  The reader's reaction is, believe it or don't, partly the
writer's responsibility.

>> It's not exactly a point of pride.
>
>	Point of pride to whom?  Are you placing your standards upon
>others in all things?

I don't consider the inclination in a person to make repeated hostile posts 
a point of pride.  

>>No, that wouldn't be polite.
>
>	Awwww, c'mon.  Surely it's not any less polite than announcing
>that such a creature exists...

I don't see how my saying that could give offense.  I did not say
that I wished to avoid any specific person or people.  Since you
rightly say that my impressions are a matter of interpretation, 
how could anyone be certain I meant them?  Unless, of course,
they already suspected that they tend to offend....

>>...[ If I ]
>>meet someone who posted lots of stuff I didn't like, it will at best
>>be harder/take longer for me to be that person's friend.
>	Steerrrrrrike One!  Try again...
>	Try to get the point this time...

If you'd be so kind as to make it.  My point stands that what people
write in this forum affects my opinion of them.

>	... I do have some larger issues to work out ...
>the most important --- should I watch Studs or Love Connection
>tonight?  Hell with it!  I'll watch both...
>
>>>I hate to be sick...
>>Get well soon.
>
>	They tell me full recovery is expected -- the treatments were
>effective and I should have full powers restored.  Thanks for the
>thoughts -- but I really coulda used the cash instead.

What do they pay on Studs & Love Connection? ;)

Thanks,
-Tim

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From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:13:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan22.030517.22171@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> davis@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Jim Davis) writes:
>
>Okay, maybe she uses a borrowed account.
>So, did Tina actually show up at the Harry's Hofbrau Boink?

I don't really know, but I wish you had.  It would have been good to
have seen you!

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Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Keywords: advise,men,how to find
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:55:46 GMT

In article <77327@apple.apple.COM> erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.045728.24877@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>>In article <77318@apple.apple.COM> erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan23.005359.18767@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>>>>Well, maybe he's more comfortable with his desperation than you are with
>>>>yours.  Come to terms with it Ed, and then you can be proudly desperate.
>>>The only flaw in your argument is that I'm *not* desperate.
>>Sounds like you're in denial.  Free yourself Ed, embrace your desperation.
>sleeping with anyone but myself, three cats and a rabbit, I have enough self-

You're right.  I'm wrong.  You're not desperate.  Just desperately sick.

RNA
Newsgroups: ba.singles,soc.singles