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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:07:06 GMT

In article <2494@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug25.040806.3255@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
[......] 
>
>Yesterday, I summarized what has been said recently here for the
>benefit of the 15 members of discussion group I lead in Osaka. They
>pointed out that ITHO (In Their Humble Opinion) the Emperor is going
>to China at the request of the current Chinese governent. Further,
>they said that the original entry of the JIA into China was at the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>request of the then rebel, now current communistic government in
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>order to defeat the nationalists. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Argh!  The "invitation"  the Chinese Communists gave JIA was a
declaration to offer alliance with all Chinese to resist Japanese
Aggression into North East China and Shanghai during 1931-32.
Funny the official tone of JIA in WWII is that they were in China to
help the Nationalists(nobody asked them of course)  stamp out the 
Communists -- it's amazing people can double talk and lie though
their teeth and rear end at the same time.  

Some people might think this is an invitation to invasion,
I certainly don't.   Next thing they will say the Americans invited
Japanese pilots to a sky tour of Pearl Harbor, and a luxury cruise to 
Midway and the tourists partied out of hand and destoryed some boats
and planes.    

>
>They continued by saying that, as is well known, the JIA got out of
>hand and committed many atrocities upon Chinese civilians. Exactly
>how many and where is open to question, but they felt that it was a
>fact that it happened. 
>
>Thus they didn't feel the current Japanese government owes the
>current Chinese government an apology. They did feel that an apology
>is owed to the Chinese people. From there, the discussion changed to
>how this could be done without implying that Japan/China was at
>fault (and therefore somebody owes somebody money). 
>
>No conclusion was reached on this point. To be continued...
>
>Note: This is not my opinion. I am only reporting what people
>told me. My part was to ask them questions.
>
>Dave
>
>--
>Dave McLane 
>JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
>Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:31:32 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Charles M Richmond writes
> This is not true in your country (assuming you are American). A person
> can come from any nation and join society at whatever level their 
> endeavors bring them to. America ,although FAR from perfect, leads the
> world in equal opportunity and in approbation for racism.

Sure! There's equal opportunity in America for ALL white upperclass males..  
:) We don't discriminate.. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Subject: Re: Long Distance Company
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:23:47 GMT


I don't call Japan very often, but Sprint has been good to me.
They are always cheaper than AT&T, they are nice about getting
local area codes in Japan (or helping me with other questions),
and they put me on the best "calling plan" for my uses (which
change every few months).
It certainly is hard to choose a phone company based on ads, 
isn't it!

Cathy Atwood
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7569 soc.culture.china:24503 soc.history:7952
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:13:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <1992Sep1.154906.2273@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.013550.27483@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug30.153704.6253@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>>>smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
.....
>>>     If Japan could get terrtorial
>>>	concessions from China in the 1890s certainly the US could have as well
>>>	had she wanted them.  That she chose not to could be due to a number
>>>	of reasons, but military inability seems hard to credit.

>>You forgot the most important factor:logistics. What is the distance between
>>the US and China and Japan and China. I am sure the U.S. was even
>>stronger after WWII and what happened to the U.S. in Korea and Vietnam.

>What did distance have to do with it? We did fairly well in Japan and Europe,
>we got what we set out for in Korea, and recently did rather well in the 
>middle east.

   Wouldn't it be possible that the success (?) in Korea and the Middle East
is partly due to the fact that the US was able to use Japan and Saudi Arabia
as a stepping stone, respectively? IMHO, the distance could be a significant
factor to decide the military strategy especially in 1890s. 

> The difference between those and Vietnam was that we never had
>any set goal in that country. Kind of hard to fight, if your top people can't
>decide what you're fighting, what you're fighting for, and why.

   As I understand it, the ideological backgrounds for the Korean War and
the Vietnam War were more similar to each other than to the remember-Pearl-
Harbor kind of rationale in the war against Japan (any correction would be
welcome).
   However, once in the battle field, soldiers' goal might be more or less
represented by the they-killed-our-brothers-so-let's-get-them kind of
feeling whatever the political goal might be. (No offense. I've never been
in the battle field, so I'm just guessing from what I saw in the war movies.)
In that meaning, comparing the number of the US casualties and the Iraqi
civilian casualties, I feel that the Gulf War was more different than
Vietnam.

Michiaki Masuda
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Smell of Food (Was: What do most of Jap
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:02:14 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 715339266@ee.uts.EDU.AU, ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe) writes:
>>>In article <2459@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>>>>Now if you've been in Japan for any length of time, I think you'll
>>>>agree that few things smell very much. 
>You miss the point that the whole of Japan stinks. Twice now I have flown
>into Narita and noticed very strongly the smell of pork. (The times I
>can breath without being suffocated with mikkan peelings.)
>It is one of my hobbies, detecting the initial smell of countries, because
>you only have a few seconds between them descending and depressurizing the
>aeroplane, and when your nose desensitizes. 

I've experienced the "Japanese Smell" many times and I know what you are
talking about however once the desensitizatin takes place which you write
about, you don't really notice it much anymore.  After spending time in
Japan, one rarely notices the smell.  Upon returning to the States, I have
encountered the "stink" that we have here in the States.  After a period
of desensitization, the "stink" goes away.

My Japanese friends have commented how bad Americans, Europeans, and
Australians smell.  I think alot has to do with what is cooking and what
is eaten in an area.



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Disclaimer:	Opinions expressed are mine and only mine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: <None>
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<ROTEN.92Aug31133031@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Sep1.145046.5533@news2.cis.umn.edu>
	<1992Sep2.090439.89958@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:47:46

In 1901 the British Admiralty informed the Government that the 19th
century policy of having a navy capable of matching any two potential
enemies was no longer feasible if the U.S. was regarded as one of the
potential enemies.  Does anyone know what considerations went into 
this evaluation?  Would it have included an evaluation of the results
of the Spanish-Amercian War?

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:15:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <jwb.714802044@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>
>>Yesterday, I summarized what has been said recently here for the
>>benefit of the 15 members of discussion group I lead in Osaka. They
>>pointed out that ITHO (In Their Humble Opinion)  [......]
>> the original entry of the JIA into China was at the
>>request of the then rebel, now current communistic government in
>>order to defeat the nationalists. 
>
>A strange opinion, and one which reflects poorly on the post-war Japanese educa tion system.
>
>There is no evidence from the pre-war period of such a call by the Chinese 
>communists for help. If anything, the truth was the opposite, when the Kuomintang
[latter stuff deleted]

	Actually that was an excuse for Kanto-gun and other military to take
	an action.  Even *they* needed a reasonable (at least to themselves)
	excuse to "enter" into other countries and to "help" someone there.

	This is clearly stated in my 10-year-old history textbook.  Probably
	the people whom Mr. McLane talked have forgotten that they might mave
	learned this since there is no need for them to study history for exams 	any more.  It's a sad thing, though.  :-<


						Tetsuya Nishimura
From: ecovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Smell of Food (Was: What do most of Japanese ...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:03:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	Hey, wait a minute. I think the smell (or "stink") of
countries is a very subjective thing. I happen to think that Japan
smells great. Maybe it is just that I am nostalgic for that smell I
was growing up with, I don't know... but whenever I get packages
from Japan and I open it up, and the smell comes out, I get very
nostalgic and I think it smells great. When I get off the plane in
Narita I think "Wow, it smells great, I am back". 
	I do think that different countries (or even areas of the
US) smells different. It is neat to know that others notice this
too. ^_^ 
	Going back to the subject of food, it seems that if it is a
food you don't like, you will be much more sensitive to the smell. I
like to eat little dried fish and shredded squids (when I can afford
it) and people around me will say it stinks, because people in the
US usually don't eat such things. But, I don't think it smells so
strongly. But if people eat lots of American junk foods, some of
these I really really do not like and so I think the smell is very
strong.
		Maiko Covington    ecovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

P.S. The other day I wore a shirt I hadn't worn since I came back
here a few months ago, and the last time I washed it was in Japan so
it smelled like Japan. Natukasii yo... I was in a good mood all day.
^_^
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research


In article <1992Sep3.144243.9323@ms.uky.edu>, justin@mik.uky.edu 
(Justin Sullivan) writes:
> > >Amen.. Small wonder orientals call Westerners 'barbarians.'

> Mike Fester writes
> > At the risk of asking a rather obvious question, how can you tell by the
> > "umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery)" that this is a "Westerner"?

(Justin Sullivan) writes:
> You didn't get it? Poor fellow.. He certainly sounds like it. It's a
western  
> attitude, that's for sure. So with 'western' attitudes like that (and he's  
> not alone, to be sure), it is, as I said.. Small wonder orientals call  
> Westerners 'barbarians!'

I'm not sure, but I think that the Japanese called Westerners barbarians
because of their peculiar bathing habits (once a year, whether they needed
it or not), hairy faces and bodies, the strange custom of eating
cooked animal flesh, and lack of table manners in general.

Come to think of it, the Romans put quite a similar tag on the Germanic
tribes they encountered, and for many of the same reasons.

I can assure Justin Sullivan that asian juveniles in a tetosterone induced
rush might be just as a capable of making rude sexual and rasist comments
as the next barbarian. Unfortunately, we don't suffer from lack of barbarians
in any case. They're everywhere. That's Mike Fester's point, I believe.

- Bill

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: mystery fad
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:32:04 GMT

In article <185mpkINNl0n@agate.berkeley.edu>
	robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:

>Is it true, that 20 years ago there was a fad for Japanese women to remove
>a section of their large intestine (about 20cm), since this would lengthen
>leg length?

It's been more than 20 years since I was born in Japan,
but I have never heard of such a fad before.

2 questions came up to my mind.

1) To remove a section of your intestine really lengthen your legs?

2) How did they remove?
#Pull out by theirselves? :-)

I would very much appreciate receiving your reply.

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: telephones again
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:07:56 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp's message of 1 Sep 92 08:29:50 GMT

In article <PASCAL.92Sep1172950@ap22.apd.cpg.sony.co.jp>
   pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey) writes:

 =}	   Just one thing about phones : In his post, Alton Harkcom writes :
 =}	   "I don't remember about international access, but I seem to recall
 =}having to ask for it."
 =}	   You don't have to ask anything. You just have to dial. Don't worry !
 =}The international phone company (KDD for some areas) will send you the bill.

   I was speaking of installing the line, not making the calls directly.
Sorry for the confusion.  I did have to ask for international access when
installing my line.  With it, I could dial 001, 0051, 0041 or 0061 for
international calls.  Without it I could not make international calls.

   I have been told that one does not need to ask for international
access when installing a line anymore.  I haven't had a chance to call
NTT to check it out yet though.  Any NTT people out there willing to
clue us into the current situation?  It owuld be appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:14:31 GMT

In article <jwb.714871597@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>
>>>A disinterested study of the history of that area  leads one, IMHO, to the
>>>inescapable conclusion that the Japanese oligarchy was hell-bent on "intruding"
>>>on China from before the Sino-Japanese war of the 1890s...
>
>>In light of the fact that Britian, Germany, and a few other western powers had
>>already "intruded" into China from monetary gain I suspect that it could be
>>argued that Japan was simply taking a piece of the pie for themselves.

>>I am not suggesting that this justifies anything. I am only pointing out that
>>Japan was not the only country eating away at China's sovereignty.

>You are absolutely correct. One of the (many) injustices that peeved the Japanese
>government late in the last century and in the first half of this one was the way
>the western "powers" considered they had a god-given right to carve out colonial
>empires in Asia, and no-one else did. The Intervention in which the UK, France,
>Germany and Russia forced Japan to give up some of the Chinese territory they 
>snatched in the 1890s was racially inspired, to put it mildly.

An observer at the time (my favorite, Mr Chamberlain) while pointing out the
difficulties Japan had being accepted by the Western powers (see previous
post on "Treaties") as a non-white, non-Christian nation, does not feel this
to be racially motivated. In fact, he goes to great lengths to point out 
that much of this resitance was due to the fact that they saw something they
could themselves grab (Germany 2 years later would grab Kiao-chow). Japan
apparantly learned her lesson, and for the next war she had allies lined up
on her side.

>Ironically, the nation that first taught Japan that international diplomacy
>was most effectively carried out at gun-point was the US. The memories of
>Commodore Perry and the Black Ships lasted a long time.

Had China been so galvanized by the early British gunboats, one wonders how
different the history of the region might have been.

In any event, the two froms of "gunboat diplomacy" were very different, at 
least as regards Britain in China and the US in Japan. The US was more 
interested in procuring safe passage for its shipwrecked crews and more in the
way of trade. The British were more concerned with taking actual possesion
of territories. This may, of course, be largely due to the difference in the
times of those 2 encounters.

Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Gaijin (was--What do most of Japanese .......)
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:51:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <BtFLGx.84z@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>
>To: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU
>
>Please forgive my ignorance. I have been told that the "gai" in "gaijin"
>was originally the kanji for evil/harm/damage $B32(J instead of the
>kanji for outside $B30(J .  Is there any truth to this? 
>
>
>$B$*Hh$lMM(J
>
>Charlie
>
	Well, Charlie, if you and I are *very* good friends for a long time 
	and we often joke about each other, I might say "honto ni omae wa 
	heNna gaijin da naaa,"  "gai" with meaning of "harmful."  :->

	As you might know, in Japanese there are usually omre than two readings
	of a kanji, and as long as the sounds are the same you can make up
	any words with combinations of any kanji with different meaning.

	I made up something for "gakusei" or student. 
		When I was in college in Japan, I was a "gakusei."
			"manabu + iki-ru"  = official and correct Japanese word

		When I was teaching at a high school and a cram school at the
		same time, I was a "gaku sei" since I made lots of money and
		some free time.
			"raku/tano-shii + iki-ru" = live easily/happily

		And now I am studying in the US using English, I am a 
		"ga ku sei."
			"ga/ware/self + ku/kuru-shii/suffer + iki-ru"
			   =  I'm living a had life.

			   :->
						Tetsuya Nishimura
From: tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Nhan Tran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: NEWS/VN: VN warns of possible conflict over Spratlys
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:03:02 GMT
Reply-To: tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu


09/02

VIETNAM WARNS OF POSSIBLE CONFLICT OVER SPRATLYS

    JAKARTA, Sept 2, Reuter - Vietnam said on Wednesday a dispute over the
Spratly islands could threaten peace in southeast Asia unless claimants agreed
to talk.
    "If the situation there is not handled according to basic principles which
are acceptable to all parties involved, it may evolve in a negative direction
and affect regional peace and stability," President Vo Chi Cong told a summit of
the Non-Aligned Movement.
    Cong said Vietnam wanted the dispute settled through negotiation between the
parties involved. China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines also claim
all or part of the island chain in the South China Sea.
    Pending such a solution, "Vietnam will exercise utmost restraint and refrain
from any action that may jeopardise current efforts towards confidence-building
and relaxation of tension by countries of the region," Cong said.
    "Vietnam hopes that other parties involved will act likewise."
    Tension rose earlier this year when China occupied one of the islands.
Foreign ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) meeting
in July urged parties to settle the dispute by discussions.
    The issue is to be discussed by the political committee of the summit,
something that China -- making its debut in the Movement, as an observer -- has
objected to.
    A proposal drafted by Indonesia, which holds the chair of the Movement,
backs the ASEAN ministers' call. China, which was given special permission to
raise the matter, objected on the grounds that it would internationalise the
issue.
    The Philippines, newly accepted as a Movement member at the Jakarta summit,
said on Saturday its troops arrested 12 Chinese nationals fishing off an area of
the Spratlys occupied by Filipino troops.
From: sue@odutsa.att.com
Subject: Misc Cho' Ca'n Xe
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: sue@odutsa.att.com
Organization: N/A
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:11:58 GMT

Hello Netters,

Ca'c ba.n co' bie^'t ai te^n Thie^.n Ngo^ tu*. la` Ti' Xi` Pai
o*? tre^n ne't kho^ng? Chi. nha` nho*` to^i -di ti`m ho^. 
Kho^ng hie^?u vi` chuye^.n gi` ma` anh -da~ bo? nha` ra -di
-de^? la.i 2 vo*. va` 7 con nheo nho'c. O*? nha` mo^~i la^`n
le^n -de`n cu Ti' kho'c -do`i bo^', be' Bo^ng thi` kho^ng chi.u
ngu?. Ca'c ba.n bie^'t anh Thie^.n nay lang thang o*? -da^u
xin chi? ho^.. Mo.i lo^~i la^`m 2 em hu*'a se~ tha thu*'. 

Anh Thie^.n o*i, Xin anh ha~y vi` ti`nh nghi~a cu?a chu'ng ta
nga`y xu*a ma` ve^` vo*'i con.

Xin ha^.u ta. 1 to^ pho*? xe lu*?a ne^'u ba.n na`o bie^'t anh
Thie^.n -dang o*? -da^u. WANTED DEAD or ALIVE.

Thanks

2 em va` Cu Ti', Be' Bo^ng, Be' Ti, Cu Ni.  (Sinh -do^i), Cu Te`o, Cu Ba`nh,
v.v....
From: v-nguyen@cis.ohio-state.edu (Viet-Anh V Nguyen)
Subject: On Luyen's Death
Originator: v-nguyen@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:20:24 GMT

Death be not proud

Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so:
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow
Die not, poor Death; nor yet canst thou kill me.
From Rest and Sleep, which but thy picture be,
Much pleasure, then from thee much more must flow;
And soonest our best men with thee do go--
Rest of their bones and souls' delivery!
Thou'rt slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell;
And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke. Why swell'st thou then?
   One short sleep past, we wake eternally,
   And Death shall be no more: Death, thou shalt die!

                                      --John Donne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese