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From: waymire@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Richard Waymire)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:48:08 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul22.190322.21485@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>
>     This argument doesn't work.  The MAJORITY of murders in this country
>are commited by people known to the victim in a fit of rage.  Not by "Bad
>Guys" who would have owned guns illegally.  If guns were taken away from
>the "Good Guys" (ie Normal Population) then the guy in the above example
>wouldn't have had one in a dangerous drunken rage.
>
>     I do happen to support individual rights to own a gun.  But I also
>realize that the Murder rate (gun violence rate) would go down if guns
>were illegal.  If only "Bad Guys" had guns that would be a heck of a lot
>less people being shot on a daily basis.
>* Dave                          *               The Alpinist               *
>* alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com *            DARE to be stoopid!           *

Oh, well, here we go... The MAJORITY of murders in this country... I'm glad	you have been studying the FBI's Uniform Crime Statistics this week.  I believe
what you are trying to quote is that the MAJORITY of murders in this country
are committed by people who are KNOWN to the victim.  If I, Joe Crip, kill my
rival, John Blood dow the block, I fit into that category, because John knew
who I was.  Now there's a meaningful statistic if I've ever heard one.  How
'bout you learn what you're talking about, study the facts, and then reply
with some thoughtfulness.  (Try reading talk.politics.guns.  If you can see
through the flame wars, it's very informative.)

My co-worker tells me this post looks RUDE, and that is not my intention.  
This fact (about known to the victim) is being misused all over this country,
and it gets rather frustrating to see it twisted so.

Anyway, have a nice day, support the first and second amendments, and keep
talking about it.  That's what this country's all about.

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**************************************************************
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: lcornell@milton.u.washington.edu (Linda Cornell)
Subject: Re: Information about buying a house
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:11:41 GMT

>Does anyone have any recommendations for a buyer's real estate agent
>in Seattle (around the university area)?

I have had several dealings (buying and selling) that Jean Richardson from
the Windemere Wedgewood office (522-9600) has helped me with.  She really
was wonderful.  She was great at understanding exactly what I was looking
for when I was buying, and IMHO gave good advice about offer options. 
When we were selling, she was great about protecting our interest.  She
was really sharp about all the red tape, and what needed to be done when. 
I was impressed - she was leagues ahead of all the other real estate folks
I have ever dealt with - and she is a wonderful person on top of all that!
I have had 4 other friends who have used her, and will recommend her in a
heartbeat.  

Let me know if you need any additional information!

Linda Cornell
lcornell@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan)
Subject: Re: Drug Laws (WAS: Re: Travelling armed)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:05:48 GMT

In article <3940016@iftccu.boeing.com> bressler@iftccu.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes:
>/ iftccu:seattle.general / steven@tc.fluke.COM (Steve Haynes) / 10:06 am  Jul 28, 1992 /
>>	*** AND TOBACCO !!!***
>
>>We're paying for it now, with higher health insurance premiums for all.
>>When are purveyors of health insurance going to adopt the philosophy of life
>>insurance companies, and charge according to the destructiveness of one's
>>lifestyle?
>
>MMM, I haven't seen any figures yet that indicate that the 'cost' of tobacco
>is significantly greater than the 2-3 BILLON collected each year in tobacco 
>taxes.  It's just a re-distribution.  Perhaps it would fairer to everybody 

Don't forget the massive federal subsidies giving to tobacco growers


Tracy
From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:30:29 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.
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: > Where do you go to get instruction and practice?

: PLEASE, PLEASE, buy your gun from a range, take their safety class (usually
: free, (well, you pay for it in the price of the gun)), and practice.
: There's a place in Tacoma called the Marksman, 

  ..off highway 512 and Canyon Road.  I go there about once every couple 
  months to go shooting (with my kids).  My kids have all received their
  gun-safety courses and 'weapons defense' courses from The Marksman.
  Besides, my brother is the manager of the shop and senior instructor.
  I'm sure he'll be happy to discuss with you where to buy, what to buy,
  how to buy, instruction and practice.  (No, this is not an advertisement,
  nor am I conected with the shop - but I am an advocate of fire arms safety)

  Send me email if you need/want more information.........


   
-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  If you don't like it - get out of my country.   
"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.183834.27573@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
>In <1992Jul28.180917.22800@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:
>
>>Assuming that you can find someone willing to manufacture them.
>>What reputable drug company would be willing to sell cocaine/heroin
>>even if it was legal.  Imagine the product liability costs.
>
>If Congress can give tobacco companies immunity from product liability
>suits by requiring warnings on the packages, I don't see why they
>couldn't do this for producers of any other addictive drug.  Probably
>the same pharmaceutical companies that today manufacture cocaine and
>narcotics for medical use could simply scale up their production, or
>sell their production process to consumer drug companies to avoid the
>bad PR.

I disagree strongly with any such immunity for tobacco or any other
recreational drug.  If product liability is valid for any product
it is valid for the others isn't it.

I would look with some interest at a proposal to eliminate all
PL suits.

Streets would sure get nasty with all the starving lawyers.
From: kiml@Data-IO.COM (Kim Durwood)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: House Painter- need advice
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:49:25 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Data I/O Corporation


Thanks to the people who gave me references for painters in the area.
I'm getting estimates from them now.

I'm also checking out a company called "Student Painters", supposedly
a group of college students keeping themselves in pin money.

Has anyone in Net Land used this company before, and if so, what were
they like?  Any bad experiences?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Kim Durwood
Data I/O Corporation
Redmond, Washington
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: DWI
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:47:38 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Jul23.164228.24188@beaver.cs.washington.edu> torerik@cs.washington.edu (Tor Erik Jeremiassen) writes:
>
>Ah, but Texas is one of the few states that does not have an open container
>law. It is illegal for the driver to drink, but the passengers can drink
>all they want. 
>
Not in Cherokee County.  While Texas may be more liberal in some ways, they
still have some "dry" counties where you can't purchase liquor.  In Cherokee
county, the only way you can legally drink is to go to a restuarant and 
show your "drinking club" card - a privilage you pay for.  Compared to
Cherokee County all you guys complaining about not being able to have
an open drink in your car sound like a real bunch of whiners :^)
At least you don't have to drive to the next county to buy a six pack.



-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: brothers@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joseph Brothers)
Subject: GREAT VW diesel mechanic
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:14:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.191352.18956@beaver.cs.washington.edu> mccann@june.cs.washington.edu (Cathy McCann) writes:
>I am looking for recommendations for good mechanics to
>service my aging diesel VW rabbit.  I'd prefer places in
>and around the Renton area, but I'm not really picky.  Also,
>if you have recommendations for places to avoid, I'm all ears.

I have been very happy with Peter, owner/manager/mechanic at Rabbit Service
on Roosevelt in the University district.  Over the past three years, he has
given consistently excellent and VERY reasonably priced service.  He's also
kind to non-mechanics, so don't fear to call or drive in and describe your
symptoms.  Diesel, gas, fuel injected, he's great with 'em all.

Rabbit Service (Peter)	206/527-7012, @ NE 57th & Roosevelt

-Joseph
-- 
			Joseph L. Brothers			
brothers@mdd.comm.mot.com		uunet!mdisea!brothers	         
	"I am speaking solely for my self, not my employer."
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Drug Laws (WAS: Re: Travelling armed)
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:39:21 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Jul28.170625.21255@tc.fluke.COM> steven@tc.fluke.COM (Steve Haynes) writes:
>	*** AND TOBACCO !!!***
>
>We're paying for it now, with higher health insurance premiums for all.
>When are purveyors of health insurance going to adopt the philosophy of life
>insurance companies, and charge according to the destructiveness of one's
>lifestyle?

And don't forget the other ways we're paying.  Social Security disability
payments, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans benefits, lost tax revenues from
people who can no longer work, etc.  [My mother died a few years ago 
from smoking related emphysema, so I've done some first hand observing
of these issues].

Unfortunatly, we seem to be moving in the opposite direction.  Laws
are being passed in some states to require health care insurers to
provide insurance for everyone - and at the same price, lest they be
"discriminating".  And now we have the push for a national health care
system - which doesn't have to be a bad thing [but probably will be].

One of the big problems I have with a national health care system is that
I have yet to see anybody suggesting a plan that would factor in how much
or little a person is doing to maintain their own health.  I don't want to
see yet another government program where the responsible people subsidize
the irresponsible people... the unfortunate people - yes, the irresponsible
people - no.  Of course the hard part is drawing that line between 
"bad luck" and "bad lifestyle".   And what do you do with the people who
choose to be irresponsible and then have problems?  I don't think our
society will ever just tell them "Well you were irresponsible... now you
are just going to have to die early (or pay for your health care yourself)".


-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kkt@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Scheible)
Subject: Re: gun access/control questions
Keywords: guns, confiscate, militia, Bill of Rights, overthrow, totalitarianism
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:27:07 GMT

sds@jazzie.com (Sean Shapira) writes:

>In article <kkt.712197232@milton> kkt@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Scheible) writes:
>>What I'd like to see is all guns stored where it took some time to get
>>at them, say in a gun club.  I [realize] this makes them useless for
>>self-defense

>Unfortunately it would also make them easier for a government leaning
>towards totalitarianism to confiscate.  The intent of a well-regulated 
>militia is to assure the means to overthrow an oppressive government 
>remain widely distributed among the population.  Thus the word "keep"
>in the phrase, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms."

>This may sound either revolutionary or antiquated, depending on your 
>point of view.  But the authors of the Bill of Rights considered the 
>possibility of a totalitarian government coming to power a real and 
>present threat.  

A reasonable fear, but I really don't think small arms are going to do
much against tanks, bombers, poison gas, and artillery... none of
which are among the arms the people can keep and bear.

To succeed today, a revolution would need to be essentially
non-violent, like Eastern Europe, or got lots and lots of real weapons
from the outside, like Afghanistan.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Subject: Re: Loud Bass in Cars Cause Impotency
Keywords: stereo, sterile, stupid
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:18:15 GMT

drinkard@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Terrell D. Drinkard) writes:

>I read somewhere relatively recently that the loud sub-woofers and bass
>noise that seems so prevalent in cars these days can actually cause
>impotency in men.  

>Bravo I say; it serves the adolescent punks right.


My, isn't that an irony?  I assume the level of base in one's car is
supposed to be proportional to one's virility.

There must be a gohd!		(-:  (-:


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: fetrow@biostat.washington.edu (David Fetrow)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed 
Organization: Biostatistics, University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:07:14 GMT

>> In article <1992Jul20.060118.234@u.washington.edu> davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts) writes:
>> >In article <1733@rwing.UUCP>, pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>> >> WISDOM:    "Travelling unarmed is like boating without a life jacket" 
>> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >I don't want to even get started on that one (or did I just volunteer
>> >myself to write a several-hundred-line essay on it :-) ).
>> 
>> This is something I completely and absolutely agree with.  It only took one
>> experience set set this firmly in my mind after an interesting experience in
>> a hotel.
>> . . .
>

 As a former motel nightclerk on Aurora you have no idea how happy that
thought makes me. Nothing is more fun than dealing with an armed guest. Yes
sirree. 

 ..and yes, I once had the happy task of cooling down a situation where an
armed drunk guy was trying to break into his ex-wife's room. No fun but at
least there was only one gun instead of two (didn't know about the gun when
I got involved).


-- 
 -dave					   fetrow@biostat.washington.edu

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: srg@quick.com (Spencer Garrett)
Subject: Re: DWI
Organization: Quicksilver Engineering, Seattle USA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:42:17 GMT


The thing that really pisses me off about the "open container"
laws is that I can end up being convicted of an alcohol-related
(ie - extremely serious) driving offense in spite of the fact
that *I don't drink*.  Never have, never will.  Probably can't.  But
even proving that fact in court makes no difference.  The law says
driving with an open container is a form of DWI.  Period.  Because of
my non-drinking status I often end up as the "designated driver"
for my friends, but if one of them opens a container in the car
over my objections (this has happened) and we get caught (this
has not) then *I* can spend a year in the slammer.  I guess they
expect me to shoot my passengers if they try to open a beer while
I'm driving.  :-(
From: waymire@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Richard Waymire)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:58:34 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul26.232601.7483@eskimo.celestial.com> wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>
> So, where/how does one get a carry permit?
From the police department.  Take my advice.  Get one from a county police
precinct.  My wife got one from Seattle.  They asked illegal questions, and
took a long time.  Also, parking is a pain, and they were not very friendly.

Also, don't get one in the city of Kent.  They have an ordinance prohibiting
concealed carry, in violation of state law (never mind the constitution).
However, it's more of a harassment law, rather than being enforced, per se.

>
> Where do you go to get instruction and practice?
>
PLEASE, PLEASE, buy your gun from a range, take their safety class (usually
free, (well, you pay for it in the price of the gun)), and practice.
There's a place in Tacoma called the Marksman, and another one whose name
escapes me in N. King/S. Sno county on something like 205th.  Sorry, don't
remember the name.
> I suppose that it is possible to buy a pistol
> at any of the gun shops in the area.  Does
> Washington state, King Co. or Seattle have
> a waiting period?

7 days, I think, unless you get a CWP from your friendly sheriff. (Or any
small town police department).  Then there's no waiting period.


Also, in reference to the previous poster with the hypothetical conditions 
and self-policing by the NRA, I as one pro-2nd amendment (though not a "gun-nut", not desiring to own anything too big in the way of firearms) person, would
be in favor of such a thing, and agree with your points.

-- 
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**************************************************************
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Newsgroups: seattle.general,fluke.general,pnw.forsale
From: dcm@tc.fluke.COM (Don Mitchell)
Subject: Conversion Van For Sale
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Conversion Van
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:40:36 GMT


1984 Ford Conversion Van
	-Trailwagon Galaxie Designer Series Limited Edition
	 Luxury Van
	-Four Captains Chairs (swivel & recline)
	-Seat in rear that pulls out to a bed
	-Individual reading lights over seats
	-Tinted windows with mini-blinds
	-Plush medium gray carpet with matching upholstery
	-Oak trim inside
	-Exterior is two tone gray
	-Custom wheels with good tires
	-AT, Air, Tilt, Cruise, PS, PB, PDL, AM/FM/Tape
	-Good looking van in good condition

$7450/offer

Don Mitchell 
(206) 356-5838 (work & voice mail)
(206) 745-6236 (home)
From: leveson@cs.washington.edu (Nancy Leveson)
Subject: Information about buying a house
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 06:30:01 GMT

Does anyone have any recommendations for a buyer's real estate agent
in Seattle (around the university area)?

Thanks in advance, Nancy Leveson
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: olshen@biostat.washington.edu (Adam Olshen)
Subject: Seahawk Training Camp
Organization: Biostatistics, University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:08:26 GMT

I want to go watch the Seahawks practice.  Does anyone out there
know what time their practices are held?  How would I get to the
site from the University District?

Adam Olshen
olshen@biostat.washington.edu


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subject: Re: gun access/control questions
Keywords: guns, confiscate, militia, Bill of Rights, overthrow, totalitarianism
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:42:12 GMT

In article <0yDmoB5w165w@eisley.akita.com> wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood) writes:
>sds@jazzie.com (Sean Shapira) writes:
>
>> What I don't understand is why the gun control advocates don't flat-
>> out propose repealing that pesky second amendment?
>> 
>> *   A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security 
>> *   of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear  
>> *   arms, shall not be infringed.
[...]
>     The bill is before congress right now.  It was sponsored by  a 
>democratic congressman from Rhode Island.  It looks like it will be 
>defeated by a good margin though.
[...]

Hmmm..."...shall not be infringed." Well, isn't repeal considered
infringement?  If not, explain.  [Gosh, we sure are dumb, thinking that
"shall not be infringed" means "shall not be infringed".  Sure is a good
thing there are all these lawyers that can show us the error of our ways!
No wonder "no means no" is such a strange and wonderful phrase! :( ]

I think that this exposes a fundamental bug in legal systems, i. e.
sweeping, all-inclusive laws of great generality inevitably "conceal"
paradoxes of the "who shall shave the barber" and other type.
Where the paradoxes come in is that there is invariably a governmental
entity whose mandate is to *rigorously* enforce the law, without regard
for common sense, second thoughts, or other candy-assed civilian concerns :) .
Raymond Smullyan has written a number of books on the subject of paradoxes
in rule systems in general; also there have been some interesting Scientific
American columns on the subject.

Here are my legal proposals for your consideration [ pretend you're in
the "people's parliament" :) ] :

1	This law shall be ignored.

2	This law may not be repealed or amended.

These are all separate and distinct laws, BTW.  Let the deliberations
begin! :)
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan)
Subject: Re: Steepest street in  Seattle?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:14:58 GMT

In article <DRK.92Jul31113514@sanddab.cs.washington.edu> drk@cs.washington.edu (Daniel Kerns) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.164020.16655@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
>
>	   If you are inspired by the Olympic Games to do something really
>	   atheletic, try bicycling up 4th Ave N. from the Fremont bridge.
>	   The altitude gain is something like 300 feet within 10 blocks.
>	   It is the quickest way to get to the top of Queen Anne Hill.
>
>"Doing" that stretch of fourth is pretty impressive.  I wouldn't be
>surprized if some of the roads from the arboretum up capitol hill are
>steeper (might not be as long).  Try Aloha.  Gotta love those cobble
>stones.

...on a bike, too.  Great fun! :)


Tracy

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Loud Bass in Cars Cause Impotency
Organization: FYL
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:54:15 GMT
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drinkard@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Terrell D. Drinkard) writes:
: I read somewhere relatively recently that the loud sub-woofers and bass
: noise that seems so prevalent in cars these days can actually cause
: impotency in men.  
: 
: Bravo I say; it serves the adolescent punks right.

I thought it was the other way around.  Guys add sub-woofers in their
cars to make up for being impotent.  Or, at least if you start that
rumor it may "correct the problem". :-)
-- 
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