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From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:15:53 GMT
Followup-To: sci.econ
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <rdavis.728008225@connie.de.convex.com> rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:
>
>Sure.  Not to agree or dissagree with the foreperson's comments, I'd
>note that the density of immigrants to native born Americans is low
>enough to almost go unnoticed.  Think about it - the US is a huge
>place.  It doesn't have a bunch of other countries with vastly different
>cultures around it ('taint much difference in Canada except the language
>in Quebec, and Mexico is a wonderful place - but poor).  Why do you
>think USA-nians (don't be sorry!) are amazed that so many Europeans
>(Uk-nians not included) speak more than one language. [whoa! schwing!]
>

I don't know about Texas, but California has a very high percentage of
immigrants from all over the world.

There are large populations of Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, Italians, &
Portughese who originally came here after the gold rush. More recently, there
are additional waves of immigrants from China, Taiwan, teh Phillipines,
Vietnam, Cambodia, Ethiopia, Central America, and more recently the various
ex-Soviet countries. There are also many Indians, Persians, and others
to add to this melting pot.

This is in addition to the steady stream of European immigrants such as myself.

In any Silicon VAlley company, you will find a typical department has
people from all over the world. MAny people speak more than one language, and
often the second language is an Asian rather than a European language. The most
common second language of course is Spanish, and almost everyone knows a few
words.

I would be very surprised if the US does not in fact have the highest immigrant
population of any developed nation.

Jim Munro
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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: What is economics? (repost)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:47:06 GMT
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In article <1993Jan21.221829.19637@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
>
>A surprisingly accurate representation of physics about 300 years ago,
>and not entirely inaccurate as a representation of physics today.
>
>I predict that 300 years from now, the social sciences, including
>economics, will have advanced significantly.  I do not predict that
>they will be where physics is now.  "The proper study of mankind is
>man" is a pun, not a statement of where the light is brightest.

I don't thnk so.  The study of man is a fundamentally different thing
because you have to prescribe as well as describe.  Nature, surprisingly,
is a system that can be understood efficiently, but mankind is not.
Physics thrived because of this luck which the social "sciences" don't
have.  Unless they change their basic direction, these "scientists'"
analytical tools can never catch up with the chaos in human behavior.
From: jfh@beach.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Since no one is defending inflation, (was re: Inflation)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:27:33 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1jngr2INNfq7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Michael Wright) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan21.211928.8356@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>|how is [inflation] good? it is rather simplistic to just look at the increasing
>|price of your house without also considering how the price of everything
>|else is also increasing, and the fact that the bottom tier of house
>|buyers is pushed out of the market.
>
>Unanticipated inflation is, in general, a good thing: if wages are
>sticky it gives you the opportunity to work if the real wage is
>reduced, it makes you economize on money balances so you invest more,
>it reduces debt and thereby makes it easier to invest, it gives a
>signal that the economy is improving (which it may be for the
>reasons above or not) and so boosts consumer confidence. Moderate inflation has
>nearly always been associated with rising output.

The problem with inflation is that is always a short-term boom, but
a long term swindle. The investment that inflation causes is no longer
in accordance with the time-preferences of the consumers, since the 
time-preference has been distorted by the inflation itself. Therefore, when
the inflation is done, the mal-investments will tend to lose money,
go out of business, and signal the beginning of the recession which must
follow an increase in the supply of money. The dropping of sticky wages
affects *all* areas of the economy, not just those areas where wages
are too high. The best thing to do in this situation is to allow wages
to fluctuate naturally under a hard currency, affecting only those
industries where wages are too high.

It is important to remember that increasing the supply of money amounts
to nothing more than an attempt to get something for nothing. It
discourages saving, causes mal-investments, and must eventually result
in a recession or hyperinflation.

Inflation gives a signal that the economy is booming only because modern
day economists think that a rise in prices (increasing consumption faster
than production) is "good", and are basically still operating under
Keynesian economics. Production is the true source of wealth, and a gradual
fall in prices is what should be encouraged, as this means there is
more "stuff" than before, raising the standard of living for all.

Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu)

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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.philosophy.meta,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: What is economics? (repost)
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:05:52 GMT
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In article <C169H6.Mnv@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes:
>
>If they can't understand human behavior, how could they possibly prescribe a 
>behavior system that would work?  

By doing it stepwise.  First, create some structure in one area so you can
understand things better in order to create more structure elsewhere, and so
on.  Prescriptions don't need complete understanding of human behavior.  For
example, we think that lying is bad and we should prescribe "no lying",
However, no study can ever traverse all possible chains of events to prove
that such a society is better than one that allows lying under some
definition of "good".  We prescribe it simply for the sake of structure so
we can build other things on the assumption that people basically tell teh
truth.
From: jetai@ipvvis.UNIPV.IT (J. E. T. A. I. - italia)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: German health care system
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:07:57 GMT
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GERMAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM


I'm writing my graduation thesis about the German health care system.
I would like to have information about books,articles and internet sites
regarding this argument.

Thank you in advance.

			Alberto

P.S. I speak German too.

Please send mail to:

Alberto    [ e-mail  :   jetai@ipvvis.unipv.it  ]

or to :
 	Alberto Onetti
	collegio Borromeo
	pza Borromeo 9
	27100 PAVIA
	ITALY

tel:	(+39) 382 32362
fax:	(+39) 382 34303
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Inflation
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:36:37 GMT

In article <2385@blue.cis.pitt.edu> wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) writes:
>
>  But money does have value. It has as much value as anything it will buy,
>no?  
>   Also: you state that we cannot have inflation with no money. But, then, I ask,
>why is it that you only measure prices (which are what inflate, in 
>inflation) in money? Why not in other goods? In fact, is that not how
>we benchmark money itself, through things like the CPI, which is a
>bacxxx basket of goods?

inflation is *defined* as an increase in prices or a decrease in purchasing
power. 

--
charles
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From: pamela@sscux1.ssc.gov (pamela gurd)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:59:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.114023.28748@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>Americans look at other countries and see things by which
>Americans are not constrained:
>
>Official state religions

This Canadian now living in the US feels that US natives are much
less free in the matter of religion.  It is strongly encouraged in
Texas society to go to a Christian church - and didn't a former
president opine that atheists couldn't be true citizens?

On the other hand, schools are much less likely to include anything
that vaguely comes from religion - no Christmas carols, for example.
Seems kind of sad to me.

>Mandatory government/military service

I was a Canadian college student in the 60s.  Vietnam, remember?

>Mandatory separation of college-bound vs. trade-bound students
>in the early/mid teenage years

On the other hand, the children of the ghetto have no chance at
college much earlier than that.

>That kind of personal (and national) power breeds arrogance and
>contempt.

I venture to suggest it's not power that breeds arrogance, but
ignorance.  Americans know theirs is the best country in the
world, and refuse to see any evidence to the contrary.

In fact, countries are even more individual than their inhabitants.
There isn't one that is better in all ways than all others.

Pam.
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Michael Wright)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Since no one is defending inflation, (
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:05:12 GMT
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In article <1993Jan22.180808.6155@tandem.com> kenr@orleans.storage.tandem.com writes:
|In article 1jngr2INNfq7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Michael Wright) writes:
|>
|>In article <1993Jan21.211928.8356@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
|>
|>|how is [inflation] good? it is rather simplistic to just look at the increasing
|>|price of your house without also considering how the price of everything
|>|else is also increasing, and the fact that the bottom tier of house
|>|buyers is pushed out of the market.
|>
|>Unanticipated inflation is, in general, a good thing: if wages are
|>sticky it gives you the opportunity to work if the real wage is
|>reduced, it makes you economize on money balances so you invest more,
|>it reduces debt and thereby makes it easier to invest, it gives a
|>signal that the economy is improving (which it may be for the
|>reasons above or not) and so boosts consumer confidence. Moderate inflation has
|>nearly always been associated with rising output.
|
|Unanticipated inflation rewards the net monetary debtor and punishes the net
|monetary creditor.  The real value of the money owed by the net debtor erodes
|with inflation, as does the debt held by the net creditor.  One gains, the
|other loses.   Since on whole the amount of money owed equals the amount of
|money loaned, the gains to one party are offset by losses to the other.  It`s
|a zero sum game, and I find it hard to claim that inflation is therefore, in
|general, a good thing.  It`s only a good thing if you happen to be a net debtor.

It is a fallacy of modern simple conventional economics that changes
in distribution do not have significant changes in overall output. We
know this when there are non-lump sum taxes, but what I am thinking
about has to do with the incentive effects. If firms have debts
repudiated, then they can invest more. True, creditors loose, but who
cares, since investment is largely effected by expectations of future
demand, not the supply cost, whatever that is, of credit. If the
economy picks up due to an increase in investment, the Fed and
financial instituions will make available the credit required. So what
I am saying is that the redistribution to investment will increase
output. What is required is that savings be a more insensitve to
reward, which I think is quite reasonable: often the return to savings
is pretty much a rent anyway.
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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Date: 27 Jan 93 11:41:47 EST
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From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:21:40 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:

>Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:

>>As for the availability of
>>different goods and services, I find it hard to believe that the range
>>of products available in the US is so much greater than those in any
>>other developed nation.

>Really it is.  You wouldn't believe how much more the selection
>and variety is in most areas of merchandise.  I know it's hard
>to believe, but if you grew up in the states and find yourself
>living elsewhere, you wonder how folks can put up with so little
>choice and such crap quality (in *some* cases - not all!).

	Hmmm.  Still not convinced.  Although I would not say that I
have travelled widely, I have visited the US, one or two bits of Europe
and bits of North Africa.  The only place that seemed to have a more
restricted range of goods/services than anywhere else was Tunisia.  And
it was a long time ago when I was there, so presumably things may have
improved by now.

>On the minus side, us Amis have to put up with a buttload of
>competition between all these companies, which results in much
>too much advertisement [the `s' for your benefit B-)].  Aaaargh!
>Most of europe isn't plagued with the everpresent billboard in
>yer face.

	I'll go along with that sentiment.

>>From a personal point of view, I cannot think
>>of anything significant that I might want to obtain that I couldn't
>>obtain here in the UK.

>Well how could you if you don't know what you're missing, or you're
>not used to the selection?

	A perfectly valid statement, except that I have visited the US.
Now, although I was only in the States for a short time and only
visited a couple of places (so you may say - perhaps correctly - that
my experience was not representative), I didn't see any commodity on
sale in the US that I couldn't buy (if necessary, in some equivalent
form, i.e. different brand name/manufacturer but same product) over
here in the UK.

	Mind you, one thing that I will admit to is that many (most?)
goods are cheaper to buy in the US than they are in the UK.  So maybe
all of that competition does pay off after all! (Even if the endless
advertising does become a pain in the sit-ons.)

>>Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk

>What ever happened to the old castle?

	Good question.  When I find out, I'll let you know.

			Cheers!
				Ade.

		\----------------------------------------/
		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
		/ ---------------------------------------\
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From: gt5311b@prism.gatech.EDU (BHATTACHARYA,ABHIJIT)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:28:46 GMT
Followup-To: sci.econ
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <C1F01w.HG4@newcastle.ac.uk> Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>	Economy?  Now on that one, I really do have my doubts.  Having
>"an INCREDIBLY person-oriented service economy" does not seem to me to
>represent a sound indication of economic strength.  (To any economists
>out there, is there a correlation or not?)  As for the availability of
>different goods and services, I find it hard to believe that the range
>of products available in the US is so much greater than those in any
>other developed nation.  From a personal point of view, I cannot think
>of anything significant that I might want to obtain that I couldn't
>obtain here in the UK.  So, I think that this issue may present a much
>stickier wicket.  Particularly when one considers the economic strength
>that can be found in the far East - e.g. Japan.

[... deleted]
>
>		\----------------------------------------/
>		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
>		/ ---------------------------------------\


From the World Almanac and Book of Facts 1993:

Per capita GDP in U.S. dollars

United States - 21,800
Great Britain - 15,000
Canada - 19,500
Japan - 17,100
Germany - 14,600 (the inclusion of former E. Germany reduced this somewhat)
France - 15,500
Ireland - 9,690
Italy - 14,600

There is no question that Great Britain and other developed countries have the
same material goods as in the U.S. but they are MUCH more expensive.  I find
from personal experience that clothing is about twice as expensive there, food
almost as much.  Also, my friends there are surprised by the fact that my
family has two cars, with the financial ability to buy more if needed.  Things
which are so common here like CD players are readily available but quite 
expensive.  

Some British people think that the typical American family is like Roseanne's,
which I find quite amusing.  Also, being of Indian descent, some also assume
that none of us can speak English properly.  It has gotten markedly better
though in the last few years.  British wit on TV is ubiquitous -- only David
Letterman even comes close here.


-Abhijit

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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:01:32 GMT

In article <rdavis.728008225@connie.de.convex.com> rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:
>Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>
>>As for the availability of
>>different goods and services, I find it hard to believe that the range
>>of products available in the US is so much greater than those in any
>>other developed nation.
>
>Really it is.  You wouldn't believe how much more the selection
>and variety is in most areas of merchandise.  I know it's hard
>to believe, but if you grew up in the states and find yourself
>living elsewhere, you wonder how folks can put up with so little
>choice and such crap quality (in *some* cases - not all!).

	This argument ignores local variations in standards of
	living in the U.S.  I have visited California several
	times and the standard of living in the urban areas is
	very high.  I also lived in Iowa for some time and the
	standard of living was abyssmal in comparison to anywhere
	else I have lived.  The quality of produce was poor and the
	selection limited.  The cultural life of the area was moribund,
	we had to drive 45 miles to the nearest decent library.
	Columbus is a big improvement on Des Moines but still a
	long way behind urban areas of Europe that I have lived in.

	As far as quality is concerned, I think you have that mixed up.
	My impression of American consumer goods is that quality is not
	that great and it is frequently sacrificed to keep prices low
	while adding "features" that have no use.  Quality of U.S.
	products can be very good, but the range of quality is far
	greater than one could get away with in Europe.  Did you
	ever wonder why European products have been making so much
	headway in the U.S.?  Helpful hint: they're not cheaper.


>
>>From a personal point of view, I cannot think
>>of anything significant that I might want to obtain that I couldn't
>>obtain here in the UK.
>
>Well how could you if you don't know what you're missing, or you're
>not used to the selection?

	Ah yes, the wonderful Colby Longhorn cheese for example,
	chanterelles and edible boletes are available on every
	street corner in the U.S.  Spare parts for my De Vilbiss
	airbrushes are unobtainable over here, try finding Humbrol
	paints without having to offer up the first-born male child.
	Going back to food, the U.S. offers some of the worst sausage
	it has ever been my dubious privilege to taste.  Oscar Meyer
	would cause riots in the streets in Poland, never mind Germany.

	Alec
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From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
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> Jan 18 18:39:05   mouthuy@marvlsi1.in2p3.fr (Thierry Mouthuy)
> Jan 18 18:39:50   mouthuy@marvlsi1.in2p3.fr (Thierry Mouthuy)

Comme plusieurs lecteurs me l'ont fait remarquer, il s'agit d'un
doublet dans mon fichier temporaire... mais qu'on se rassure, lors
du decompte apres le 31 janvier des outils supplementaires seront
utilises pour eliminer les duplicatas qui n'auraient pas deja ete
reperes.

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
From: phudv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R B Birkby)
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Subject: Re: SVM: final answers
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 nguyenth@floreal.ibp.fr (Thao Nguyen) wrote:

>-- 
>Thao
>Believe it or not but I have no e-mail address! Perhaps because I don't know it :)


Your email address should be the address following From: in the header

ie  nguyenth@floreal.ibp.fr

Richard.
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