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From: serranrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J Serrano)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oregon poll
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:57:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: serranrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J Serrano)
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130c8.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <36387@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)  
writes:
> In article <BvpFIw.J4@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent  
Capps) writes:
[stuff deleted]

> >Then I want us to pass a statewide antidiscrimination law next year.
> >I'm too young for this shit.
> 
> All of us were too young for this shit, too.

[Begin Tangent]
I just straight out don't _need_ this shit.  Life is too great of an  
experience to have to worry about whether some bigot is going to come out  
and try to beat my head in or some company is going to refuse to hire me  
because I'm gay.  Anyone who judges me based upon my sexual orientation is  
mentally ill and should see a psychiatrist.

I've accepted myself as I am and I've the world from various angles.   
People like OCA need to get in touch with reality and see that there are  
many much greater threats to their way of life than a homosexual teacher  
or public employee.  How about street crime?  What about unemployment?   
What about education?  Why don't the people in OCA bother to address any  
of these issues?  
[End Tangent]

> Welcome to our world, which is indeed, the whole world.
>
> We're doing it, gang.  We're taking a world where discrimination
> was the norm and turning it into a world where all sorts of
> discrimination is considered wrong, per se.

It would seem, though, as if only discrimination against people with  
_obvious physical differences_ is considered wrong.  If you're homosexual,  
then you're still branded as some tacky evil thing who nobody wants to get  
near.
Personally, I don't really give a flying damn, if somebody doesn't want to  
associate with me on the basis of my sexual orientation.  That's their  
loss, not mine.  But if somebody wants to relegate me to the status of  
second-class citizen (I love that phrase, it sounds so old and important),  
I've got news for them, it ain't going to happen without a fight.

> We're doing it gang.   good for us!

Let's just hope the tide continues moving in our favor.

>   Like he said ``I'm too young for this shit. ''
> -- 
>     Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been  
vandalized
>     four times.
> 
>     (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Kinda gives you this cold, sickly feeling inside to read about the heights  
to which human warmth, decency and compassion have sunk.

Rob Serrano
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:30:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct8.173027.25623
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


And remember the poor Vet. in Beaverton who had the same as 
a guy who is one of the OCA hoods?  He had to go on the news and
tell people they were not one and the same.  His business was really
hurting.

But in war......
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ann Lander's YUCK!
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:21:19 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <Bw37nA.GuD@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com
(Brent Capps) writes:

]I think it's a submission/power thing.  I really get off when the
]tables are turned on these overly macho types.  "Centurion Butch,
]defeated after a valiant Olympic wrestling struggle, finds himself
]humiliatingly and helplessly empaled on his conquerer's noble Roman
]pillar of manhood..."

Oh, I just *love* Classical architecture, don't you?

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 23:24:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct10.023214.29773@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct10.004120.12791@adobe.com>
> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
> >I find quite amusing the claim that cultural icons must be timeless.
>
> I don't recall that such a bald and leaden assertion was ever
> made in this discussion.  I certainly would have misunderstood
> Arne if I thought he ever said that.  Cultural icons capture
> or embody something timeless.  They are _obviously_, like all
> of us, embedded in time.  ....

I did make such an assertion, which I later realized was too
bald and leaden.  Icons -- and I can't *believe* how long this
thread has been going on -- have a significance that extends
beyond the particulars of their biographies, as I wrote in
another article.  There's something transcendant about them.
Perhaps I'm being much too literal about the meaning of the 
word "icon", but I do think it's their *image* that is worshipped 
or idolized.  Of course what such an icon does or did is
important, but it's what they represent and how they represent
it that makes such deep inroads into the fabric of our culture.  
The people I think of as icons tend to be embody archetypes or
to be the basis of new archetypes (dear me, I'm starting to sound 
like Camille Paglia) -- Bette Davis, the devouring bitch (Kali, 
Medea); or Marilyn Monroe (Diana Dors, Jayne Mansfield, Mamie
van Doren, Liz Renay, Edie Adams, Madonna are *new* Marilyn
Monroes); or Billy the Kid (the misunderstood sociopathic
teenaged boy who unleashes murder and mayhem but really just
needs some love and kindness); or, should I repeat?, Dietrich,
the glacially sexual, been-everywhere-seen-everything-all-knowing 
androgynous goddess.  Paul suggested Ella Fitzgerald as an
icon, which I think is most peculiar.  (And I am second to
none in my admiration for Ella.)  Billie Holiday is an icon.
As is the young Elvis.  Maria Callas.  The Beatles.  But
certainly not Ella.  

Oh, and one more thing.  As with saints in the Roman Catholic
Church (and in the Eastern Orthodox Church, which is where the
whole business of icons originates), icons can be summed up
in a brief phrase, or in a conventionalized representation.  A
close-up of Billie Holiday's face with a flower behind her ear 
and her mouth stretched open in a grimace of pain.  *Zing*.  
That's her.  Marilyn Monroe on the subway grating with her skirt 
billowing up around her waist is an exact parallel of paintings
of St. Sebastian being pierced by those arrows.

Greta Garbo just *is*.  Madonna play-acts, poses, mugs, mocks, 
squirms, imitates.

Arne
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:39:58 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Oct10.145941.23444@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Hoed a load and toed a toad.
>Woed the toad and bode the load.

Yum! 
hoppertoad!
-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:05:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.211514.13428@athena.mit.edu>, Charlie Fulton
<charlie@isis.mit.edu> wrote:

> I don't know what your definition of anti-intellectual is,
> but I've yet to meet one who even knows who Norma
> Desmond is, much less give a flying fuck whom she's
> based on.  Guess they're grown more sophisticated-like
> out there in Cali.

What are you saying!?  Me?!  An intellectual!?  Oh, yeah?
Hah!  You're from MIT.  By *definition* you are an intellectual.
I wave my gentilia in your general direction...  I pick my
nose at you...  I... I...  I hope the crabs of a thousand
prostitutes crawl into your lover's BVD's.

The *nerve* of some people.

Me.  An intellectual.  I have *never* been so insulted in all
my life.  I HATE intellectuals (unless, of course, Jason
Priestly is a closet intellectual - I wonder how he looks in
BVD's... Ohhhh I can't *wait* to get home and drool over him
some more.)

Melmothra, ACC
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42788 soc.bi:13640
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: GBL* films
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:42:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Folks, I am trying to organise a film night for my campus queer group, as
>well as a few other unis around town.  I was mailed the GLB* filmlist a
>little while ago (thanks everyone!), but the contacts listed were all
>overseas, mostly in america.  Does anyone know of any Australian film
>suppliers?  (I'll settle for New Zealand or something similar :) )

>Cu later

>Yvette Lian

I can't find any Australian distributors in my sources.

Why don't you call the Australian Film Board and see what they can tell
you?

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:06:00 GMT

> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) wrote:
>>> David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu> finishes the thought:

>>>Men are hot.
>> 
>>This one is, today anyway -- it's 85 degrees in San Francisco!
>>And this building doesn't come with air-conditioning, only
>>windows that open.  I need one of those Bush fans*
>
>I don't know whether or not you like the heat (In these parts in summer,
>85F is a pretty nice low temperature, just delightful), but your
>(good/bad - you choose) fortune is my good one.  *Record cold* 65F
>last night!  Brrrrrrrr!

We had a record high 94F yesterday, same expected today.
People are dropping like flies :-)  Only 15% humidity,
though, so apart from the smog, it's rather a pleasant
change.  The folks in the Oakland-Berkeley hills are
a leetle nervous about fire...
-- 
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:53:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct7.075340.432
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Oct6.193709.25481@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>I read an article in the Bay Area Reporter (an S.F. area gay weekly)
>about Measure 9. The article was desperate to paint a portrait of
>impending doom, and it's kind of hard to do that when the measure is
>*losing by two to one*.

yes, it is hard to do, isn't it? Now, let's see why realizing how
dangerous Measure 9 still is is important..

We have no idea how Measure 9 is doing. One "scientific" poll of 600
Oregonians "likely to vote" says Measure 9 is down two to one. It is
well known that people lie in favour of civil rights on polls, because
they are embarassed to admit they'd vote for something like Measure 9.

It's definitely not over. There's a month to go. The *last* time the
OCA had a statewide referendum on queer rights (1988, Measure 8), we
were ahead in the polls something like 55-35 a month before the
election, and we ended up losing 53-47 or so.

Even if we *do* win the Measure 9 fight, the OCA won't go away.
They're talking like they'll be back at it the next election (or they
might even force a special election!). (and yes, they can come back -
they lost both statewide referenda in Oregon in 1990, but here they
are this year).

Finally, there are some seriously frightening things going on in
Oregon right now, queer bashings that seem directly related to Measure
9. The violent bigots aren't going to go away because of a vote - we
need to stay aware, we need to keep defending ourselves.

>Shyeeah. Let's lighten up, everyone. Measure 9 is going down in
>flames. I, for one, grok a great wellness.

I won't lighten up as long as my kindred are being firebombed for
being queer. I won't "grok wellness" as long as people politely
tolerate shit like the OCA.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        It's a sky blue sky, the satellites are out tonight
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:59:04 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>I read it as meaning that,
>as John leaned back,
>he felt a kick inside,
>from another Mike on the way...

It's a white trash thing; you wouldn't understand.

--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: glee in other's misfortune
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: german vocabulary
Organization: penguins for pederasty
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:14:08 GMT

Schadenfreude
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Now is the time
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:43:50 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Oct13.191248.27918@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>In article <5383@rosie.NeXT.COM> (Lee Tucker) ltucker@next.com writes:
>Take the first step.  You owe it to yourself to do it - and we owe it
>to ourselves to be there when you do.  Take the first step.  It's a
>small first step, but every other step you will take in your life will
>pale in comparison.  Take the first step.
>
>Now is the time.



Great post! It made me all sniffly to read it.

Yes, yes.  Be open, help others avoid the pain we went through in 
coming out.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:18:54 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>I'm feeling phleklempt!

>Oh, I'm feeling phleklempt...

What is this? A sneeze? The sound when a very relaxed person falls
down? What?

John (It's vuhklempft, I think, Matthew)

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:56:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.025659.21076
Organization: insert anything here

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>Just the fact that Madonna is being discussed so thouroughly here should tell  
>you something ...

>By the way, has anybody seen the "Erotic" video?  I saw a clip and Madonna  
>reminded me of Annie Lennox 10 years ago in the video for "Sweet Dreams (Are  
>Made Of This)" ...

	Surprised?  I don' think I've ever seen Madonna do anything
original - it's all rehash from someone else, with a little trash
thrown in for media flash.

	Entertaining?  Probably for many people.  And that's just fine.
But in all seriousness sliced bread is still one great thing.

	I once got into this ridiculous e-mail war with someone who
had a "quote" from Madonna in his .sig file, that really was in one 
of Marilyn Monroe's movies.  He insisted that even if someone said it 
first, the fact that *she* said it meant it was more important... (Gack).  
I suppose th Gettysburg address might become instantly memorized if she did 
it - though I could see that being a very funny shtick...

BBC

(and since it seems that quotable material doesn't need to be original)
---- "The" --- BBC

OK OK 0 on the motss scale... how about
"Either this wallpaper goes, or I do."
(No, I can't bring myself to plagarize... my committee will be proud.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:40:50 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>>
>>-jeff [who, having tried and failed to drive a wedge
>>between Arne and JNS, has been flirting with JD and trying
>>to tempt Jess and is hoping for an invitation to be a camp
>>counselor...  or maybe cook (are there any new-and-exciting
>>pork recipes in Madison?)]
>
>There's no such thing as too many camp sluts, of course, so
>I'm sure you can manage to get porked by one or another set
>of initials idly lolling about.  I'm not sorry you've
>apparently left FJ to comfort me in the role of la Sainte
>V'eronique de l'Ecstase Perpetuelle et de Jeunes Hommes.

Tell me, with your sore back and all, you can still, um, *hump*
can't you?

>We shall ask Him Who Cares More About It Than Any Other and
>Also Boosts the Gay National Product to set up a foundation
>providing scholarships for selected worthies who manage to
>ingratiate themselves to the management.

What?! Jess, I thought *you* filled that role.  Anyway, who is
this person?  Does he have a good side?  Can I get on it?

>I should thing your three week session in Spare Ribs and
>Sluts should be nearly our most popular offering (don't
>worry Nelson, I shall make *sure* there's a Tofu Tarts
>section as well).

Nelson, I'll take yours if you'll take mine.

-jeff [By the way, Will FJ!! be the swimming coach?  Or maybe we 
       can all just watch (or help) him shave.  (No offense intended
       George, but he *does* make shaving look sexy.)]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:47:11 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.150833.1880@osf.org> coren@osf.org
(Robert Coren) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.000405.26583@spdcc.com>,
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>I also haven't ever been in a situation where I would feel
>>very jealous.  Maybe I just need more experience.

>Well, maybe something can be arranged...  Tony *is* an
>attractive man...  :-)

Such a good mind-reader!  Let's hear that again, then get
busy arranging: Tony *is* an attractive man!

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:41:40 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (me) writes:

>John, wondering he's going to do write some kind of big, sappy thank-
>you thing to everyone for helping him learn and grow so much during
>the time he's been reading here

This sounds a lot like the kind of thing you'd hear in the voice-
over played when the old Miss America takes her last walk on the
runway, doesn't it? God, next thing you know I'll be twirling a
baton...

John, following up after himself (how Jessical!!!)

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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia on fashion (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <mattm-081092140500@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
"not wanting to be anything other than chic", writes:

> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) wrote:
> > lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
[John Fisher wrote, satirically:]
> > |> } We *respect* people of colour,
> > |> } unless they're, er, *too* black, ...
> > |>
> > |> Excuse me, but would you mind filling me in on
> > |> what it is to be *too* black?
> > 
> > You know, the noisy ones, the ones who don't realize how
> > good they really have it in this country and appreciate
> > the things we've given them.  Also, the really dark ones
> > make us nervous because they look dangerous.
> 
> By 'we' you mean 'us white folk?'  Assuming this is the same Donald,
> I believe his .sig would give most people a clue that he is, in
> fact, not one of 'us.'  You know... <<he's black>>.

Oh, the arrogance of it!
What, Matthew, makes you think you're clued up
and Greg (who has been here longer than you show evidence of,
certainly long enough to see Donald (nee Lovegod)'s first postings)
isn't?

At the risk of labouring the obvious,
John and Greg were ridiculing a faux-liberal mindset.
To cut out the joke (or tone it down, worse,
since its exaggeration is one of the main clues to its irony)
because Donald is taking part in the conversation
would be immensely patronising.
("Oh look, Donald just came in.  Hush that Enoch Powell (*)
impersonation, now - he might take it the wrong way.")
Whether Donald posted or not,
he's there listening most of the time, I would presume,
along with a lot of other people who are Not White.

(BTW, I think Donald is shaping up well
for the post of soc.motss stealth African. :-)

(*) It's a political thing; you wouldn't understand.

[Waiting with antici <yawn> pation to see
what Matthew will make of my name
("Rouge on Full Lips" has already been used) ...]
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*pooter* n. an entomological collecting bottle
into which small arthropods are introduced by suction"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
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