HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hildajk1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Ken Hildabolt)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Fast Modems Question
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:38:39 GMT

TMW108@psuvm.psu.edu (Tom) writes:

>Dear Group,
>I am putting together my first PC purchase... I have used
>OS/2 and I think that it's pretty keen. I need a MODEM, but I read the
>following:

>     "You won't find any products faster than the <XYZ modem>, which
>      boasts transmission speeds of 14,400 bits per second for both
>      fax and data. But it's not speed alone that makes this modem a
>      a standout. BECAUSE PROBLEMS CAN ARISE WITH A HIGH-SPEED MODEM
>      RUNNING IN MULTITASKING OPERATING ENVIRONMENTS SUCH AS WINDOWS 3.1
>      AND OS/2 2.0, <company> DESIGNED A SMART COMPONENT TO BUFFER DATA
>      COMING INTO THE SERIAL PORT UNTIL THE PC CAN HANDLE IT." (Emphasis mine)

>                                                -PC Computing Dec 1992

>Now, just what are the effects of the data flood coming into the machine?
>Have any of you had any such experience? If so, can you suggest a Modem
>which won't have this problem.???

>Thanks... Tom.

>P.S. How is NT coming along??

Tom,

OS/2 handles 1000 interupts/second which is 9600 baud. However, I am writing
this while using my BOCA 14.4 at 38,400 baud. OS/2 does provide buffering,
which can be enchanced with a 16550afn UART. I have had no problems down-
loading from local BBS's at 57,600 and people log onto my machine at 
57,600 with no problems and this is a 386/sx20.

Ken
?
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hildajk1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu      CIS: 70674,1657
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Subject: Re: Why 512MB limit in OS/2?
From: cscks@luxury.latrobe.edu.au (Kamal Shaker.)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:50:10 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin) writes:
: In article <BzF32B.Dpr@ecf.toronto.edu> kumarad@ecf.toronto.edu (KUMARADAS JOSEPH CARL) writes:
: >In article <1992Dec17.064426.7111@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Peter.Mayne@cao.mts.dec.com writes:
: >>
: >>Why does OS/2 have a limit of 512MB per application?
: >>
: >It is there to maintain compatibility with 16 bit OS/2 apps.  It will be 
: >removed once 16 bit apps are a thing of the past.
: 
: Why does this 512MB seem like it's a big deal?  Who's writing an app that
: needs 512MB today?  Maybe in a year or two, however ;)
: 
: Jeff
:
 
Microsoft Word for OS/2?!?!?? :-)

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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: Why Windows NT will fail -----
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:26:32 GMT

In article <8052@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>
>Indeed. WPS is a whole new way of thinking about the user interface. That's
>why folks have a hard time adapting to it from Windows: they have to change
>the way they think.
>-- 
>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>  "All [Windows] NT has is a lot of journalists fooled." -- Brian Button

A paradigm shift is one thing, but the mere fact of a paradigm shift
does not make the shift good.  The WPS is, in my opinion, a fine example
of making a bad thing worse.  If IBM were smart, they'd cajole Symantec
into making a Norton Desktop for OS/2 that looks just like the ND for
Windows.  I might even be tempted to try OS/2 again if that were
available.

jmalloy@hamilton.edu
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: \* IBM's OS/2 2.0 Scores Big \*
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:25:48 GMT
 <1992Dec11.222751.22817@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
 <1992Dec14.034140.4853@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de>
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <1992Dec14.034140.4853@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de>,
hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter) says:
>
>Hey, it gets better. If OS/2 has good crash protection, I don't wanna know,
>what bad crash protection is. Probably a system with bad crash protection will
>not boot.

If you were running Windows you would know what bad crash protection is.

Michael Bode.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Rude behavior on this group.
Date: 12 Dec 1992 12:45:50 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Dec11.233758.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
[about MS contracts with computer vendors that require them to install DOS on
every machine they sell]
>Of course IBM didn't do this, because it was beneath them.  With 16 times
>the revenue of MS, they certainly COULD have done this....

No...IBM doesn't do that because, many years ago, they were forced to stop
including the operating system as part and parcel of the price of their
mainframes. They're just a little careful of that king of thing these days.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "All [Windows] NT has is a lot of journalists fooled." -- Brian Button
From: lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN PAUL VAN LIEU)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: To all arguing about IBM stock...
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:39:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    KNOCK it OFF.

        This is a *computer* usenet. Hell I have my Eco final in two days, and
        we don't spend that much time on the same topic...


                                            cheers,

                                            bvl
-- 

  Brian P. Van Lieu
  Lehigh University-AXP
  lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu

            OS/2 2.0...anything else is just a DOS.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and NT at Comdex
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:03:37 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Dec11.203519.8302@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>see Borland's reasons for recent layoffs)

Huh? I hadn't heard about this one. (ObOS/2) Will this impact the schedule for
OS/2 development there?
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "All [Windows] NT has is a lot of journalists fooled." -- Brian Button
From: gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Paul Wagland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Software prices (was:Re: Here's some Advocacy for you.)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:33:26 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:

>In article <1gfonnINNeds@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Paul Wagland) writes:
>>Ahh, sorry. I forgot to mention, I live in Australia, all our software
>>is priced way over the top, quite often running about 1.5-2.5 the US
>>price, the $1000 is an Aust. figure.

>	Off thread, but why is that?  I realize that there'd be some
>	price boosting, but ~2.5x the US cost??

Tell me about it :)

OK, the reason for this price increase (given by the companys) is :
  a) AUS$1 approx US$0.72 (give or take 3cents)
  b) freight costs to get the stuff here from the US
  c) economies of scale (THe US market is *MUCH* bigger)

Now I know I have to pay extra for my software, however I aggree with
you 2.5 times as much is a bit much...

just an example :
OS/2 Upgrade from DOS (street price) : $195
I believe in America it is around $95?

Oh well :)

Paul
-- 
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gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au   | Bingy Bingy Bingy Frogs Go round and round
------------------------+     -- Another silly quote from me  :-)
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Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:19:10 -0800
From: George_Marengo@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Nt Smp Users
Comment-To: Brian_Sturgill@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: George_Marengo@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/514

 Be glad you use OS/2:
   Date: 12-11-92  18:34                Message #: 261          
OS2CONCT
   From: David Bannister                Status: PUBLIC
     To: All                            Ref #:  0       
Subject: Is it only me or what?         Conf: Win32 (18)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- -
        After all of the talk about serial transfer speeds under WinNT
I have

become a little courious. So I went out and pick up a 9600 
baud modem just to play with under NT, my other modem is 
14400 and runs under another operating system (guess which 
one<g>).  Anyway I was connect to my BBS and started an 
Xmodem transfer using the supplied terminal program and 
proceeded to download. Being someone that likes to multi-
task I proceeded to install the DDK while I was waiting 
around and boy was surprised.  Now I am going to list some 
of the problems I had doing the above and I would to hear 
about what others are experiencing.  I will only list 
things that I find to be unacceptable in a multitasking 
operating system.  

1) Clicking on the title bar to move a window during a 
download would stop the    download dead in its tracks 
until the mouse is released.  

2) With the two programs running on the desktop I found that if the
program  

 not doing the download had the focus the one doing the 
download suffered    greatly.

I think there were some other quirks but can't remember at 
the moment, but the above are the major ones. Number 1 
indicates a serious problem with the preemptive ablity of 
NT.  

So how about you folks out there? (especially problem #1)

David
===========================================================================

 Gee boy, I can't wait to use this super wamperdyne OS on my 
computer<G>. What a joke.
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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Borland's recent layoffs (was Re: OS/2 and NT at Comdex)
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:20:35 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <8092@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.203519.8302@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>>see Borland's reasons for recent layoffs)
> 
>Huh? I hadn't heard about this one. (ObOS/2) Will this impact the schedule for
>OS/2 development there?

This was noteworthy enough to be mentioned in the Thursday New York Times.
The article there said Borland would lay off 350 (15%) of its employees.
As a result, $35 million would be charged against earnings and Borland
would lose money in the 4th quarter.

Philippe basically blamed MS and the rampant price wars in the industry.
The article mentioned the lateness of Paradox for Windows and dBase for
Windows as contributing to the suffering.  Quattro Pro for Win, however,
has grabbed 25% of the Windows spreadsheet market.

Kahn said, "The price of software on Windows and DOS is coming down.  In
1993, we better be lean and mean and aggressive or everybody will
disappear except Microsoft."

Absolutely no mention of OS/2 or an OS/2 strategy was made.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin  "People that are really very weird can get into
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu   sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact
Keep circulating the tapes.      on history." -- Dan Quayle, on Malcolm X

"Father yes son, I want to kill you.  Mother, I want to----WUAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"
	-- Jim Morrison, waxing poetic on family values
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: sjb5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STACY JOHN BEHRENS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:18:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec20.203000.878@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Ran
dall A Helzerman) writes:
>In article <8194@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) write
s:
>|> In article <1992Dec20.052923.23904@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu
 (Randall A Helzerman) writes:

>
>*sigh*  The OS belongs to Microsoft.  Its THEIRS.  They OWN it.  They have the
>right to tell, or not to tell, anybody _anything_ about it because its not
>yours, its not mine, its not the FTC's, its Microsoft's.  That's what
>"ownership" is all about.
>

Operating systems are curious beasts.  True MS does own the operating system,
but when someone decides to release an operating system for hardware that is
not that company, the operating system becomes a rather unusual form of
property.  Almost public, though not quite.  MS still gets the revenues and
gets to decide what to do with it next.  In short MS gets to make the rules.
That's fine, they have every right to do that and they can make the rules in
nearly any fashion they like.  What they cannot (or more acurately should not)
do is make rules and then not live by them.  Whether MS has or not is not for
any of us to decide and nor do we know if they have or haven't broken their
own rules.  But if they have then they probably deserve what is coming to them.
Then again given the past history of the FTC, they may get much more than they
deserve, I don't know.  I do truly hope that the FTC makes the right decision
in the end whatever that may be.

-- 
Stacy John Behrens
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:00:45 -0500 
From: Jason Ari Goldstein <jg3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Future of OS/2 and IBM????????????

A while back when IBM just started to restructure I talked with a friend
about it - she has worked for them for 10+ years.  Anyway, she said that
there is an incredible amount of waste in IBM.  Things like each manager
having his own secretary, that sort of thing.  Thus, they are mostly
doing downsizing, viz. giving one secretary per 5 or 6 people.  I could
see them now having to lay off specific people if the people who took
the early retirement were not the people they wanted to leave.

I am not sure of all the details, but this sounds like a pretty logical
arguement as to the nature of the layoffs.  Besides, I wouldn't be
worried until they start laying off large amounts of people from their
research sites (eg. T.J. Watson).  By my prediction, that should occur
in approximately 7 more years, but that is a different story...
            Later...

            Jason A. Goldstein
(or should it be J. Ari Goldstein - send in your votes)
___________________________________________
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The problem is, most of them suck!
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Over, Finished, Gone, Done, Out.  (Finally)
From: rommel@jonas.gold.sub.org (Kai Uwe Rommel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Discovered: Microsoft using undocumented calls in Windows NT
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:19:08 GMT
Organization: Private

In article <1992Dec14.000347.22739@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>The API used by PSTAT is now documented, Kai.  To follow up on that
>point, take a look at PROCS and KILLEM utilities, available via
>anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  The most recent releases
>indicate that the author has changed the header to conform with the
>information IBM has released on the API.
>
>It was not documented in OS/2 1.3, however, and it didn't make it into
>the main OS/2 2.0 documentation.  This call is important to third
>party utilities, and I do think the corresponding call in NT should be
>documented by Microsoft.  Under OS/2, utilities such as PM Slay, psPM,
>PROCS, KILLEM, and others use it.

All of them were written before the call was (possibly, I have not yet
seen anything) documented.

I personally once I had 2.0 took a good sized hex dump to decode the
returns from DosQProcStatus in 2.0 to make my MAP program work under
2.0.

Fine, if they have documented it now.

>I was also mistaken on the IFS documentation.  The IFS interfaces are
>documented -- the information is available for download from the
>European DAP BBS, I'm told.  You may have access to that, Kai.  In any
>event, programmers report on CompuServe that they are working with the

I know, and I *have* these IFS specs, right beside me on the shelf
(not that I am planning to write an IFS, just for my information).
They are in fact available to any DAP member.

Kai Uwe Rommel

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DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
Subject: The "Major" bug in Winos2 v3.1
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:14:58 GMT


I recently heard that the major bug holding up Winos2 v3.1 is that the user
can *not* print from it!

I do not know if this is true, and if it is true, if it has been fixed yet.

Oh yeah, apparently some major or annoying or some kinda bug with HPFS was
discovered recently and is now fixed.

The error was created when transferring HPFS from assembly to C, and was a
very elusive bug.

Sorry I don't remember what the bug is, but it was not fixed in the SP.

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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 22:30:00 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

>Well you can kiss American leadership in operating systems out goodbye.

How much good software has been placed in the American or world market
by the Japanese?  I can't think of a single package.  Why?
Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.advocacy:10402 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:3237
From: gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Paul Wagland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some miscellaneous questions about os/2 from early info
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:59:39 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:

>When I was cleaning my desk, I found some information about os/2 from
>back in may 1990 in MSJ.  Since it concerned os/2 2.0, I had some  
>questions regarding these facts to see if they were actually true when
>os/2 was released.

>	1) it states that in os/2 2.0 the total code and data space available
>to an app is 512Kb, and that this restriction will be removed in later version.
>Is this really true? or is it only for console apps?  In my mind, this is 
>a *BIG* problem, reminds me of MSDOS.

arrgghhhh 512 *Kb*  At least under DOS I get 640 Kb, does that mean DOS
is superiour??? (or that my spelling is attrocious????)

****NOTE**** Put a really huge smiley up there.... :)

Paul
-- 
Paul Wagland            | These opinions are mine and no-one elses
gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au   | Bingy Bingy Bingy Frogs Go round and round
------------------------+     -- Another silly quote from me  :-)
From: MADIF@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unicode - anyone knwos something ? (was Re: HPFS-386
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:10:39 GMT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <92345.112949RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>, FLATSCHER Rony
<RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at> says:
>
>Sitting in Europe, having friends and relatives scattered all over Europe
>and Japan, Unicode is a very much deserved and needed feature missing at the
>moment in OS/2. This is very important for exchanging documents among
>different
>countries.
>
>Does anyone know (maybe from IBM) when Unicode is due under OS/2 ?
>
It is my understanding that the Unicode Consortuim agreed to the changes
in ISO 10646 and will structure Unicode v1.1 to be compliant with ISO/IEC
10646-1 in the 16-bit UCS-2 form.

ISO/IEC 10646-1 should be available for publication in early 1993.  In
the US, you should be able to order it from ANSI at (212) 642-4900.

Here's some more information on 10646-1 & Unicode v1.0:  10646-1 is a
4-byte code with 1,2,3 & 4 byte variations.  Unicode v1.0 is a two byte
code.  I expect that the two byte Basic Multilingual Plane (UCS-2) will be
the variation used for most computing applications in the world.  This will
be Unicode v1.1.  This version allows the encoding of 65,471 characters.
The 4 byte Canonical Form (UCS-4) has a capacity of 2.1 Billion characters.
I this this version will be useful to libraries that need to store works
in extinct languages.

The basic architecture of 10646-1 is 128 Groups of 256 Planes containing
256 Rows with 256 Cells each.  Plane 00 of Group 00 is the Basic Multilingual
Plane (BMP).  This BMP is divided into four zones.  The A-zone will contain
Alphabetics, Symbols and other characters (19,968 characters).  The I-zone
will contain Unified Chinese, Japanese and Korean Ideographs (20,992 chars).
The O-zone is reserved for future use (16,384 chars).  The R-zone will be
for private use (6K chars), a compatability area and Arabic Presentation
forms (8192 chars total).

I've heard that Windows NT is built upon Unicode (don't know which version).
I think that Taligent will use 10646 for the Pink OS.  There will be a
represenative from Taligent to discuss this at the next SHARE conference
in San Francisco.  If anyone is interested in this, or any of the other
sessions pertaining to Software Globalization, please feel free to contact
me.
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