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From: benkei@cs.utexas.edu (William Kent Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Cycling Odyssey for the environment
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: 28 Sep 1992 23:35:58 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu


Hello all!

Here's something I thought ya'll might be interested in.  A couple of
friends of mine, Ted Cox and Erin Nelson, are embarking on a 10,000 km
bicycle ride around North America.

They're calling it EnviroRide 10,000, and their purpose is to promote
environmental awareness and to encourage the use of bicycles instead
of cars.  Takeoff date is October 4, 1992.

If anyone's interested in taking part, they need support in many ways,
like just going out to meet or ride with them when they come into your
area, money, equipment, spreading the word, help with media coverage
along the way, or food and lodging along the way.  They would really
love it if a WHOLE BUNCH of people came out to meet them or ride with
them.  They would also really love it if you just spread the word to
any cycling clubs, bike shops, radio/TV stations and newspapers, and
anyone else who you think would be interested.

As for help with media coverage, what they need is people to send out
press releases prior to their arrival in all cities on the way (for
specific route info, call the number below).

Below I've included a list of the major cities they will be going
thru.  In a follow up to this post, I'll include the text of their
brochure.

I'm also planning to share periodic updates of their trip with anyone
who's interested.  I imagine I'll post them (probably just to
rec.bicycles.misc) and/or send them to a mailing list, depending
on response (please send me your vote).

Tax-deductible donations (for U.S. and Canadian income tax) can be
mailed to: (please include your name, address, and phone #)
          Canada:
                   EnviroRide 10,000
                   c/o Society Promoting Environmental
                         Conservation
                   2150 Maple Street
                   Vancouver, BC    V6J  3T3
                   Canada

          U.S.:
                   EnviroRide 10,000
                   c/o Earth Dwellers   501(C3)
                   P.O. Box 1331
                   Austin, Texas  78767
                   USA

Phone:  (takes messages only)
          (800) 927-1527 ext. 865

The (major) cities:
Vancouver, BC    (start)
Seattle, WA
Portland, OR
San Francisco, CA
Los Angeles, CA
San Diego, CA
Phoenix, AZ
Tucson, AZ
El Paso, TX
Austin, TX
Houston, TX
New Orleans, LA
Clearwater, FL
Tampa, FL
Miami, FL
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Jacksonville, FL
Savanna, GA
Charleston, SC
Norfolk, VA
Washington, D.C.
Baltimore, MD
Philadelphia, PA
New York, NY
Boston, MA
Montreal, QU
Ottawa, ON
-- 

Kent Richards                         "Practice random acts of kindness
benkei@cs.utexas.edu                   and senseless beauty"
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:779 rec.bicycles.rides:230
From: jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Tandem syndrome strikes again
Summary: why would I ride a tandem with my wife?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:32:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.rides
Organization: AT&T

In article <1as511INN1it@uwm.edu>, rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.212323.5926@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
> >Yesterday I got my first ride on the front of my son's new Counterpoint
[...]
> Somebody please tell this to my wife!  There are time that I swear she is
> not pedaling.  It would be really bad with a Counterpoint although I would
> be able to see her coasting.
[...]

OK, I give up. What's the attraction of tandem riding that, say, a
ride together on two bikes fails to deliver? My wife and I both ride
for moderate fitness, relaxation, and (in my case) exploring the backroads
of surprisingly pleasant New Jersey. Occasionally we ride together,
but much more often solo. When we rider together, the occasional stop or
very quiet road that we can ride side-by-side provides plenty of opportunity
for conversation. I know for sure I don't have much interest in looking
at a sweaty back for an hour or two at a time, and I suspect my wife
feels likewise.

So what am I missing?

Jim Whitehead
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:50:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.201619.11752@csi.uottawa.ca> pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Peter Hickey) writes:

>An alternative to the alternative is:
>
>	Grow a beard!
>

This year I started my winter beard at Labor Day. 
Can't wait for April when I can shave again.
Don
don@island.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:04:00 GMT

In article <92Oct1.151225edt.369@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto) writes:
>guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith) writes:
>
>>An alternative is the neoprene face mask that Performance carries, although
>>it is overkill above about 25 degrees. These may be available from other
>>vendors as well.
>Yes, it is an overkill for over 30. You should probably wear some light
>headband (for the ears) and that's about it (for the head).
>Javier.

I have to agree I rode in this morning (50F) and found that I needed to
remove the mask. Actually it kept fogging my glasses because the mouth holes
weren't big enough to breath through.

NJC
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:22:39 GMT

>In article 15731@cbnewse.cb.att.com, pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
>> 
>> When I advocate bike commuting around here (in Illinois, USA), one of the
>> things people seem to worry about is "how do I take a shower after I ride
>> to the office?".  Well, we do have limited shower facilities here, but I've
>> never used it since I have never found it necessary.  

[deleted section]

>> So, my question to those who live in other parts of the world: do you find
>> showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
>> than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?

I have cycled, run, or XC skiied before or to work to the extent that I
had visible salt deposits on my face and not showered, I have never
found that any one noticed (mind you I usually make sure to get the salt
deposits off of my face and glasses).  I do think that changing out of
sweety clothes, especially synthetics (and especially polypropelene
underwear), is a good idea as they can start to smell.  I never found
body odour a problem in the Philipines despite the fact that even
walking, at some times of the year, will set one sweating (I never cycled
there, but for other reasons).  Despite the fact that many Philipinos do
not have running water and must make do with a sponge bath I noticed
that one noticed body odour much less there than here.

None-the-less, the fear of sweat is one of the hardest of the excuses 
against cycling as a form of transportation to argue against.  Many
North Americans really believe that sweating is socially and morally
unacceptable in public except in certain specific situations (normally
associated with leasure activities).  It took me a long while to
convince my wife that sweating was NOT a sign that one should
discontinue the activity one was engaged in.

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Knee problem
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:25:47 GMT

In article <4065.2739219031@kiwi.gen.nz>
rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet) writes:
>bout a month ago, during a medium length (60ish km) hard ride, I managed to do
>something to my right knee. It feels fine under all circumstances, *except*
>when I'm pushing on a downstroke. Then I feel a chronic ache, under my kneecap.
>Nothing else I do (running, walking, poking at it with my fingers) seems to
>hurt it.

  I suffer from that.  It is usually induced by hiking with a heavy pack or
doing any skating motion (skiing, skating ..).  It does not bother my cycling
much if at all but walking has been very painfull for several months while it
healed.  Basically keep on riding.  It will stimulate blood flow and encourage
healing.  However, do not aggrevate the injury.  If it hurts back off.  So just
keep on spinning.  Summer is 6 months away.
  In my case the cause of injury is the knee cap flating around.  Friction on
the underside causes the pain.  If I wear knee braces while hiking (mainly
when I have a full pack) I have a lot less pain and it is not for more than a
few days (on a typical 70 km hike over about 2 days).  One of the adjustments
that I have made is that I do a lot of cycling and nothing that endangers my
knees (soccer, racket ball ...).   
  - Eric 

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Training Schedules
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:14:09 GMT

Todd Nix (todd@cleo.abt.com) writes:

> Monday:    intervals/sprints (today was 8x1 minute intervals)
> Tuesday:   marginally hilly ride (between 80-85% with some hills up to 90%)
> Wednesday: long slow ride at around 75%
> Thursday:  similar to Tuesday
> Friday:    rest 
> Saturday:  club or organized ride (anywhere from 30-100 miles)
> Sunday:    rest

> now i have to figure out which day to do weights. i was thinking 2 days a
> week would be good, but i'm not sure which days. i still need to leave
> sufficient rest time, as i'm really prone to overtraining.

No kidding. This plus weightlifting sounds too much for winter training. 
Our winter program consists of three days a week of roller intervals and 
weights, later adding ergometer intervals, plus one or two weekend club 
rides. More riding and less lifting as spring unfolds.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: Re: Road bikes in the winter.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:25:32 GMT

In article <BvCzDF.EC4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>...  Is it at all possible to continue riding when it gets 30 or 40
>degrees?  I think I could dress OK for the cold but the wind is another story.
>I would think that the wind on these flat cornfields would go through
>about anything. Comments?  How can I do at least some road riding this winter?

Layered dressing for the body and legs shouldn't be a problem; it's the face
and extremeties you want to worry about.  Ski equipment works well: get some
ski goggles (preferable with a clear lens for riding in the dark - days are
short), a ski mask, earmuffs, some scarf/turtleneck for the neck area, ski
gloves with liner , and some warm boots.  If you go below 10 degrees F, you'll
need to start worrying about insulated socks, mittens to go over the gloves,
and some protection for the knees, but if you're just contemplating 30, the
above should have you sweating within a mile.
==
Peter Chen
Naperville, IL
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
From: sl56m@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Racing in New Zealand
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:06:04 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I haven't logged into this newsgroup in a while, but when I did it
looked like I may have missed the very information that I was looking
for.  However, I would still like some information concerning...

I am looking for anyone from New Zealand out there who is involved in
cycling.  I am interested in spending a couple of months there this
winter (Northern Hemisphere) in January and Feburary and would like to
find out about what kind of racing opportunities are available.  I already
have a place to stay and can find my way there, so I guess the only
information I am interested in is where is the racing at and how often
would I expect to be able to race.


If you have any information and would like to help me, just send me
email at in%"SL56M@cc.usu.edu".

Thanks,

Dean Mathias.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bdahlen@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert L. Dahlen @ U. of Denver)
Subject: Re: Frame refinishing suggestions wanted.
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 21:45:41 GMT

Try YETI CYCLES in Durango Colorado.  Great work, low price.
See Mountain Bike Action, or Mountain Biking ads.


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:24:59 GMT

	Generally, I don't shower after commuting. Showering dries my skin 
	badly. I sweat especially when the local climate demands warm 
	clothing (and if it suddenly begins to shine ...). I don't find it 
	a problem. 

-- 

		Andreas - Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint

	No ITU, love, evolution.           Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut !
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:699 rec.bicycles.soc:393
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 07:50:25 EST
From: Jim Ennis <JIM@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
 <1992Sep29.092016.55632@qut.edu.au>

I work in Orlando Florida, and we are still in the 90s here with torrid
humidity.  Without showers on the campus I would not commute.  I get soaked
even in Winter on short rides.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: billh@bike.hampton.sgi.com (Bill Henderson)
Subject: Cycling injuries
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Hampton, VA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:03:38 GMT


I read somewhere recently that the two most common broken bones are the
collar bone and a bone called the navicular (sp?) in the wrist. Does anyone
have a clue as to *exactly* where that bone is in the wrist? I took a spill
about a month ago and my wrist is still hurting.

Respond however you like but email responses will be summarized later.

Bill
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From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: BAR ENDS??????
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:34:51 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

And another thing....what in the world are those bar ends for on mountain
bikes?  I see them on some of the more expensive models, and just wondered what
advantage they give the rider....

-Mike-
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: bike locks
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:38:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.163552.16104@husc3.harvard.edu>,
ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose) wrote:
> 
> It's my understanding that some thieves are now going to such lengths as
> to spray locks with liquid nitrogen and then shatter them, leaving the
> puzzled bike owner to find his bike gone and billions of lock fragments
> scattered about.

Well, it's *my* understanding that some thieves are now attacking bike
locks with high-energy gamma ray sources, irradiating them until the
crystalline structure of the steel is completely deflocculated and they can
crumble it like stale bread, leaving the puzzled bike owner to find his
bike gone and a little heap of powdered lock-metal lying on the ground,
glowing if it happens to be dark.

Nathan, I'm really not making fun of you but of this bit of folklore, which
comes up in this newsgroup every six months or so.  It is just that,
folklore.  You can bust a U-lock in a number of ways, but anyone who tries
the liquid-nitrogen trick is going to wind up very frustrated.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Bicycle FAQ problems!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.135345.1@crcvms.unl.edu> phoffman@crcvms.unl.edu writes:
>I am trying to do a anonymous FTP of the bicycle FAQ located (according
>to information contained in a posting elsewhere) at draco.asc.uci.edu

That's draco.acs.uci.edu.

>I assume (incorrectly?) the login is: anonymous
>However, I'm stopped short by the password prompt. Where do I go from here?

The message you get back from the ftp server is:

  331 Guest login ok, send email address as password.

Type your email address in as the password.  Trust me, it will work.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Avocet Cyclometer
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:22:39 GMT

In article <1apl2sINN7ir@overload.lbl.gov> chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
>Roger Marquis writes:
>>I though Avocet had taken care of their quality control problems a
>>while back but recent experience makes me think otherwise.  First my
>>model 40 develops display problems after 16K mi. 
>
>My Avocet 40 developed display problems after 3K miles or so.
>The contacts to the LCD display were bad.  
>
>Just another data point...
>
>>Don't get me wrong, I think the Avocet design is the best (except for
>>the buttons activating on _release_).
>
>And the lack of an easy way to clear all functions at once.

I recently purchased an avocet 50 w/cadence.  It is VERY easy to reset all the
functions.  Hold the reset button down 5 sec instead of 2-3 sec and all the 
funtions reset.  Hold it down about 8 sec and you go into the setup program.

>
>--
>Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
>---
>A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
>replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
From: bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:13:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct5.161334.7774
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company; Rochester, NY

In article <1992Oct1.130758.10725@newscan.canada.sun.com> andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com writes:
>
>I understand there are morons on cars and bikes. I just thought that
>roads (like downtown) roads just can't accomodate two means of
>transport in a safe manner ...

  Hogwash.  I've been riding to work on city streets for over ten years.
  You just have to know how to ride.  The fact that some people ride like
  morons (both motorists and bicyclists) doesn't mean it can't be done.

>                           ...so everybody is happy.

  Ok, you're right here, but then NOTHING can be done such that everyone
  is happy.  You can't fit more than two autos on a road and keep both of
  them happy.  Does this mean people shouldn't drive cars too?  (It would
  be nice...)

> I've been moutain biking for 6 years. ...
>   It's just that have see so much harmony in the mountains that
>it is obvious to me that things like that cannot happen on roads.

  I have no problem with Mt biking, but to think that it is the ONLY valid
  mode of riding is grossly narrow minded.  After all, there are plenty of
  conflicts between bikers, hikers and equestrians, and likely will be
  more as more people take to the trails on their bikes.

>   Everybody has fun it's way...

  Not always.  Ever had to deal with a horse and rider that you've spooked?

>Roads are usually filled with busy working people, that have tendancy
>not to worry about people not using cars.

  The WORLD is full of people too busy to worry about other people in
  their way.  I don't see you proposing that we stop living.  Some things
  you just learn to put up with.  It takes patience and grit, but it can
  be done.


>Sorry If I offended so many people..., but still give mountain biking a shot...
>
>ag



--
Chuck Tryon
    bilbo@bisco.kodak.com                                 B. Baggins
    <<Kodak pays me to write systems, not opinions!>>     At Your Service
 ____________________________________________________________________
   REAL Bicyclists don't take abuse from motorists, they drop them.
                                          -- Dan Mocsny
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 00:39:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Do Kevlar tires really prevent flats?  My cat recently used my tire as a
scratching post, so I need new tires.  Previously, my tire would go flat about
once a week due to glass, staples, and thorns.  If I switch to Kevlar tires,
would the number of flats be reduced?

Paul Siu
upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22923 rec.bicycles.soc:424
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Being paid for cycling?  (was: DO YOU shower after a commute?)
From: royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics)
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:56:09 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: royce

>>    The Southern California Air Quality Management District insists that we
>>    do something to get cars off the road, so those who ride more than 40%
>>    of the time can earn 1$/day. We had pretty lousy parking facilities
>>    until two bikes were stolen, and now we park inside.  Eventually we'll
>>    get lockers.  These changes upped the daily count to around 12.
> 
> I'm intrigued.  How does this $1/day work??
>

We fill out a form every week, checking "yes" if we carpooled, walked, biked or
took the bus, and checking "no" if we drove to work alone in a car.  Once a
quarter a check will be issued that will include $1 for every "yes".  Minimum
participation is 40% of work days; weekends do not count.  This is new to us,
too, so I haven't seen a check yet.  I was out of town last week, so I had to
answer "no" for five days :( -- even though I didn't drive at all on the trip. 
Ridership has definitely increased.


--  Royce Myers			EDS Unigraphics royce@mdcbbs.com
 		"Work is the curse of the drinking class"
					-- W. C. Fields
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols)
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.130758.10725@newscan.canada.sun.com>  
andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com (Andre Giroux # let me outta here) writes:
> OK I made sentencing mistakes. (writing in english is not obvious for me  
sometimes)
> 
> I understand there are morons on cars and bikes. I just thought that
> roads (like downtown) roads just can't accomodate two means of
> transport in a safe manner so everybody is happy. ...
> It's just that have see so much harmony in the mountains that
> it is obvious to me that things like that cannot happen on roads.
> Mountain bikers, pedestrians, people on horses, everybody seems to be kind  
and
> understanding. > Sorry If I offended so many people..., but still give  
mountain biking a shot...
> 
> ag
> 
> ---

I would like to thank AG for this very civil (under the circumstances)  
response.

I think it is safe to say that most of the regulars in the group would insist  
that the "harmony" observed in the mountains *can* happen on roads, and we  
usually argue about how best to bring it about.