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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:20:12 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07xc@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>I'd be getting out the flamethrower and TORCHING the thing..... [well, not
>really, I'm not a book burner, even of stuff -I- consider -trash-  When
>Playboy has images of males that are just as sexploitive of males as its
>airbrushed zipless f*ck females, I'll have less disrespect for the
>publication.  For that matter, the day the Swedish Bikini Team has equal
>numbers of hung males in Speeds as female bouncing bimboes in bikinis, I'll
>have less disrespect for its purveyors, too.  [Speedos, not "Speeds"
>above.]

You're the Kibo of sexual exploitation, aren't you?

-- 
Jason Balicki | kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:16:12 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1993Jan28.213149.14207@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@cs1.bradley.edu writes:
:Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
:: In article <1993Jan27.152941.19608@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, Charles C. Bundy (ccb8m@beech.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
:: That depends.  To the ones who don't want to see it happen, it is.
:: Unfortunately, it's a war against capitalism, which makes it all the less
:: likely.  After all, money makes the world go round...
:Can somebody please tell me what is wrong with capitalism?

Nothing is wrong with the idea of capitalism.  What is wrong is human
corruption which prevents all current forms of government from working
(and what has caused all past governments to fall).

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

InterNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clo
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:15:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan18.060427.21845@usl.edu> <1993Jan18.134228.4015@news.uit.no>
  <1993Jan20.164416.38648@camaro.uucp> <10570@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>

>that composite output. I don't know whether the A2000A was ever sold in
>USA, or whether they waited until they could get the B version.

The original German edition was never really sold; only as demonstrators
to dealers.  My dealer has one for many years; I don't think its a very
desirable model to own.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:44:48 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1993Jan26.174252.29860@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> In article <1993Jan26.121123.18965@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>>: In article <1993Jan25.064208.3478@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>>: >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>>
>>: >: 	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
>>: >: risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.
>>: >

	Lets see.  The earths only about 4-billion years old so we've
	definately established a trend.  Man has been able to accuratly
	measure temperature for thousands of years, just look at all that
	temperature data left by cave men.  And who cares about the recent
	sun spot cycle we've been in....
  
>>: >You're kidding... I thought it was getting cooler...
>>
>>: 	Sorry, I meant the past 100 years...
>>
>>I was being serious... I thought I had noticed a trend of cooler summers over
>>the past 2-3 years... But then that could just be from Mt. Pinatubo...
> 
> 	Yeah but it was funny! I say in the past year, you say it is
> getting cooler, and we just went from summer to winter! :)
> 
> 	But then again you cannot look at a local time period; you must 
> always look at the big picture. Otherwise I could argue that the Earth is
> getting cooler because it was 68F degrees in my house one minute ago, and
> after putting my thermometer is has fallen to 67F...

	It's 63F in my house.  I'm cold!   It keeps the A4000 cool though.:-)

> 
> -- 
>    Amiga Graphics BBS  xamiga.linet.org (516) 473-6351  24 HRS 14.4 v.32bis
> ixemul.library mpeg_play mpeg_movies jpegs gifs 3d_objs music_mods adobe_fonts
> ONLINE: Louis Leclerc's Japan Yes and related files about our trade relations.
> 	 login: ANONYMOUS password: GUEST for unrestricted downloads
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
From: jhp3x@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Howard Porter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Instead of creating NEW machines that try to fill every gap in
people's wish lists...

I am not so sure that we need four different types of 4000/1200s with
all different features....

What we have is a MID-RANGE 30 model Amiga with a nice compact case
(Gotta love it!), Detachable Keyboard, and now a MUCH lower price -
Once we get some form of AGA card for the 3000 - I think that gap will
be filled quite nicely!!


Jeff
From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Electric cars and Al Gore
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:48:43 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu wrote:
: In article <105906@netnews.upenn.edu>, tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joe Tsai) writes:
: > I agree completely with Gore.  It is indeed true that internal combustion 
: > engines contribute an extremely significant portion of pollution in the world,
: > not to mention deplete unrenewable fossil fuels.  And no internal combustion
: > engines does NOT mean no more cars.  Cars can run just fine on electricity, and
: > in fact do so much more efficiently than gasoline cars.  As a matter of fact,
: 	Electric does not mean POLLUTION FREE, it means POLLUTION DISPLACEMENT. 
: Where does energy come from?  Coal burning plants, Nuclear Plants, and Solar
: sources (sun, wind, hydro).  In most of the united states most of our energy is
: coming from coal... going to electric cars would not decrease worldwide
: pollution one bit.
: 
: > electric cars SHOULD be available for the average Joe RIGHT NOW, if it weren't
: > for the fact that the petroleum companies pump countless hundreds of millions
: > of dollars to make sure that the R&D and production of electric cars gets
: 	The primary problem with the eletric car is its battery powered range
: and its crash worthiness.  The maximum range for the electric car is under 200
: miles.  Until rechargeable battery technology improves (or every gas station
: serves liquid nitrogen) that range is not going to change.  200 miles in one
: day (with a overnight recharge) for a car that costs more than a conventional
: model is not something that will fly with consumers.
: 	Take any eletric car to date and immagine it crashing into a vintage
: gas guzzler.. what do you think will happen to the carbon fiber composite
: car... hmmm... I bet the driver will be able to get out without a scratch, the
: driver of the gas guzzler that is.
: 
: > Joe	tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
: 
: Dustan Doud

I don't know what this is doing in c.s.a.advocacacy, but I would like to add
my little bit.

Electric cars DO pollute less than internal combustion driven ones, because
of the way that a gasoline engine produces torque. Most gas engines have
very poor torque below ~2000 RPM, whereas an electric motor can produce up
to half of its peak torque at 0 RPM. This means that a car with a gas engine
must be capable of producing about 10 times more power than it uses under
most conditions. I believe that it is for this reason that lots of locomotives
are diesel-electic, it is more efficient to have an internal combustion 
engine driving a generator (or alternator) which in turn drives an electric
motor than to have the diesel as the direct source of power.

As an aside, I really feel that much more emphasis (and funding) should
be put into mass transit. The cost of gas should be taxed up to $10 per gallon
and the revenue should be put into useful light rail and buss systems...

Just my $0.02 worth...

Phil Martin.
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Yow!  I've been published!
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:48:45 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Distribution: usa
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


	This is not Amiga-related, but what the heck!  If you're a fan of
BLAZEMONGER humor, read today's "Zippy the Pinhead" comic strip in the
newspaper!  (Thursday, January 28 1993)

                                                        Dan

 //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
| Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center |
| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:02:16 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan23.214147.13439@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>Actually, do AMigans only ahve one CTRL key?  

Well, yes, but it's not sooo necessary here, see? We now have menus and
"Amiga"-hotkeys and function keys, so we don't need that many ^K^C stuff 
like in (ugh) WordStar.

>>Not for several years. My A3000 with 2.04 never crashes. 

Mine does sometimes. It's when *I* did something silly, my very fault.

>That's nice.  So Amigans have storage protection?  

No. But thanks to the programming and debugging tools that have evolved 
over the years there are less and less applications that are really buggy. 
If the world is perfect, you don't need a police and do save money! :-)

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:27:36 GMT

In <C15zt6.27v@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   Let's compare prices.  An A4000 with a SCSI II card and a deinterlacer
>card versus an A3000 with an AGA board:

>A4000: 			$2700
>Deinterlacer card: 	$250
>SCSI II card: 		$250
>total: 			$3200

>A3000/25: 		$1200
>AGA upgrade board: 	$700
>Amiga HD floppy drive: 	$150
>Total: 			$2050

>Savings: 		$1150


what utter nonsense, marc. this kind of "garbage" from somebody always
telling people not compare oranges and bananas.

so where did you get the $700 price for an AGA upgrade board? wait!
don't answer that! rhetorical query, meant for ironic effect!

>   Sure, the A4000 also has an '040, but for my purposes I don't need an
>'040.  The resulting system, but upgrading the A3000, is MUCH nicer, with a
>better-looking case and a far more integrated system (more on the motherboard
>and less on plug-in cards means more reliability).  

nonsense. the reliability is only a matter of tenths of a percent
greater. under normal circumstances, >NIL:. and i seem to remember a
certain puffy person constantly declaiming about how terrible it is to
have components soldered to the motherboard - restricts
upgradeability! but its the marc barrett maxim: whatever argument
expedites the anti-amiga agenda, even if it contradicts an earlier
argument.


>It also has some 
>capabilities that the A4000 does not have, namely multiprocessing capability
>if an '040 card is added to the CPU slot.  

ummm, that's about as irrelevant an argument as i've heard. nobody has
shown any desire to try to multiplex the A3000's native 030 with a CPU
slot 040 - too much trouble for too little gain. i'm not saying it
can't or wont ever be done, just that once again, you are arguing a
non-issue to make a non-point for a non-reason: you hate the amiga
marc. don't try and kid us that "if only such and such..." you'd like
the amiga. now the argument is "the A3000 is better than the A4000 and
i hate the A3000!!!" don't i recall somebody, a long time ago, talking
about what a "hack" and a "kludge" the deinterlacer on the A3000 was?
but now of course, its great!

-- 
paul theodoropoulos     damiel@netcom.com     (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)

"Those who lack the courage will always find a philosophy to justify it."
      -Albert Camus
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:54:14 GMT
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
X-Posted-From: cs1.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:

: This is what gets me about this newsgroup.  I try to be unbiased, but all
: people can do is call me names and lie about my statements.

SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU READ IT?!??!?!?!?
--
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:14:30 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.,  Cupertino, CA

In article <gel212.727641426@rigaud> gel212@gel.ulaval.ca (gif19268 
Systemes numeriques avances) writes:
> MAC
>
[ ... pros deleted ...]
>
> cons:
>     - Closed market to third-party manufacturers. If you have a MAC, it
>     is likely that everything on your desk has an apple on it; from
>     your monitor to your printer, Apple has the monopoly.

While this may have been true several years ago, it is certainly not 
today.  The Mac I'm using to type this on has a 3rd party monitor, hard 
disk, memory and mouse.  Installation was effortless - no tricks, no 
problems.  Take a look in the back of MacWeek sometime if you want to see 
how large the Mac 3rd party market is [pages and pages of stuff - it's 
getting to be pretty much impossible to keep track of it anymore :-) ].  
True, many people still buy Apple peripherals - they know they'll have no 
compatibility problems if they do.  Many large institutions do this to 
ease the acquisition and maintenance process.  However, it's probably more 
the norm today to have a number of items from 3rd parties in your Mac 
system - from monitors to printers.

- Dale Adams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Move
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:07:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.052858.23136@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
|> 
|> Where CAN I get really nice MS-DOS UNIX-like utils?  Have an batch file that
|> does dir/w for ls doens't cut it...

howzabout:

alias ls dir /w []

(BTW: The [], something many people leave out of their aliases, is a very
 useful tool - it allows you to target user args to your alias. I have one
 alias called lnew, which lists all files added in the last two days - now
 that I discovered the [], I can lnew any directory I want:

alias lnew list [] since yesterday

 just a little Amiga magic from the folks at CSAA...)

|> >That brings up something else: Does OS/2 still use the retard slash for
|> >directories or have the OS folks come to their senses?  That one mistake
|> >by Microsoft is an even bigger blunder than MS-DOS itself...
|> 
|> You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?

VERRRY cute, Dan. Just random choices? Why didn't you use:

C:\Games\Lemmings 

or 

C:\Games\Amiga_Port_We_Pretend_We_Invented

	... oh, sorry - that wouldn't FIT, would it???    8)


|> Does it matter, Skip?
|> 
|> >Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who hates using the retard slash
|> >skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
|> 
|> Why?

Because it's in the SH*TTIEST location on most keyboards!

Dan, you're one of those people who can point out problems ad nauseam (sp?) 
for any other machine, but fails to acknowledge even the most glaring problems
on his own system. PC people are, for the most part, all like that when it 
comes to the retard-slash (Thanx, Skip! 8D ), the 640K barrier, and a few other
things.

I once had my roommate get into a rabid frenzy when I commented on my surprise
that Falcon 3.0 came on 5.25" disks...

"What do you mean!?!? Oh, you think just because the Amiga uses 3.5", they're
better? You're so stupid Frank!"

I mean, it's widely accepted that 3.5" disks are "better" - they hold more,
they're infinitely more durable, the disk surface is better protected, etc.
In addition, every PC/clone sold since about 1990 has come equipped with a
3.5" floppy drive - usually HD, one of the Amiga's definite shortcomings - so
"advocating" 3.5" disks is in no way advocating the Amiga per se...

Some people are so paranoid...

|> -- 
|> Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:03:23 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: faatcrl.faa.gov

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>:   Read my quote again, using a goto every third line definately falls outsid
>: the relm of judicious use, at least to a reasonable person.

>You have to take human nature into account.  Goto's are a dangerous short cut,
>which people will abuse if not discouraged.  I really wish I could post the
>example.

  Save your example, it's only a variation on a theme.

  You're still ignoring my point, judicious use is not dangerous or harmful.
As the term implies, it requires sufficient knowledge to use the tool in
question properly.

  By your logic chainsaws should be banned because they're a dangerous short
cut compared with a manually operated handsaw.

  Fortunately, most people who use chainsaws aren't as intimidated as you are
and manage to cut limbs off of a tree and not their own in the process.  They
respect the tool and use it properly.

  Goto's are *exactly* the same thing.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:14:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.221803.11257@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
 > E.A. Story (eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote:
 > :
 > : >Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
 > : >and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
 > :
 > : Hehe.  You got one of my pet peeves with AmigaShell.  WHy it doesn't
 > : support . and .., I have no idea.  You even have to use "" for current
 > : directory because . is missing as well.  I got used to the "cd /"
 > : nomenclature, tho.  And the MSDOS "\" is completly stupid.
 > :
 > 
 > Why?  At least it's consistent -- "\" is the directory separator, and "\"
 > by itself is the root directory.  The Amiga version is all screwed up, IMHO.
 > Just because it's different, that doesn't mean that it's stupid.  I suppose
 > you think that VMS's Drive:[dir.dir.dir]file.ext is also stupid?

Oh well, looks like this thread will go on, so why not join in the fun :)

Ahem.  In both MS-DOS and AmigaDOS, ':' is used at the end of a device name.  in
AmigaDOS, ':' by itself is the root directory.  Makes sense to me...  Also, why
would the directory separator on its own be the root?  (This also annoys me in
UNIX).

 > : Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and

 > | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |

-Eyvind

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From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Bus Standards
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:01:32 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <C0z1nG.HG9@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>Let me tell you the limits of CDTV:
>
>VERY limited selection (comparitively)
>Low end graphics.
>Unprofessional titles (as cited in Video magazine, an impartial third
>            party, and by several Amiga users here.)
>No keyboard standard,
>No hard drive standard.

There are two CDTV packages currently.  The more expensive one has a mouse,
a keyboard, and a floppy drive.  I'm pretty sure there's no hard drive on it,
but it may have a SCSI slot.
--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.