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From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 10
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:56:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov10.053156.29531@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.
edu (Eric Sybesma) writes:
>In article <1253@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@fozzy.UUCP (Carl H. Koontz) writes:
>>I have been working on some NFL prediction software and I thought I
>>would share my information with you.  I have been monitoring my results
>>so far this year and through the first half of the season my algorithm
>>is 83-29 against the spread.
>>
>>Here are my picks for this week
>>
>>Dallas  3
>>Detroit 31
Good Pick Off by 62 here

>>Minnesota 10
>>Tampa Bay 38
>>
Not bad, only off  by 56 here
>>New Orleans  13
>>New England  14
You've got be kidding me!
>>Washington  3
>>Seattle     7
0-4 and looking better

>>San Francisco  40
>>Atlanta        41
Get rid of either you or the computer

>>Comments welcome.
>>
Get a life!
>>Carl
>YOU *MUST* be joking.  Enough said.
>
>
>--
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> Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
>
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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer / making algoritrk
Keywords: computer predictions, picks
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:55:06 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


i suggest you downplay the results of last uyears games and increase
the importance of more recently played games... especially discount
games from season before... they are only good for first few games of
a year when you have no other data to work with... i would say divide
by 10 or 20 whatever influence last years season has on your current
algorithm and replay parts of the season... a good algorithm should
perform better given the results of week 10 in predicting week 10...
obviously... if you replay the last few weeks and are able to improve
how well your predictions were, then i suggest making the changes
permanent... but looking at some of the scores you posted were
obviously way off...

i.e., falcons being close to 49ers and detroit womping dallas... too
much emphasis on last seasons results...


jason
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From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Eagles #1 Quarterback
Summary: Eagles QB
Keywords: Jimmy Mac or Randall?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:22:58 GMT

In article <Nov.9.15.29.45.1992.13475@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, bstuart@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ben Stuart) writes:
> I was just curious.  For the rest of you Eagle fans out there, who
> would you rather have starting?  I know next week is only Green Bay,
> but their defense could give Randall the confidence he needs.  On the
> other hand, Jimmy Mac earned a starting job through his leadership
> against the Raiders and a decent showing coming off the bench cold in
> the Dallas game (allbeit with modest numbers).
> 
> And for the non-Eagle fans, who deserves the job?
> 
> Ben

** I personally like this team a lot better with McMahon starting. This 
** guy may not be the best physically capable qb on the team, but he is
** a proven winner and leader. Kind of reminds me of when Snake played,
** he wasn't one of the best stat. qb's but man could he get the most out
** of his players. Another interesting question posed to me was do you
** feel the big bucks has gone to Randall's head?
**                          
**          Actually I'm pulling for Dallas in the NFC

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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Lin Elliot
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:24:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

syang@rossini.eng.uci.edu (Guess) writes:

>Is Dallas Cowboys really unhappy with L. Elliot, enough to sign Willis?

I don't think the Cowboys are unhappy at this point, he has made 
(someone WILL correct me if I'm wrong) 4 or 5 in a row.  The question is,
has he finally found the formula, or is he on a fluke streak.  The same
question could be asked about the Cowboys.  I hope neither is a fluke.

He has made one over 50 yards this year, and all of his kicks looked good in
the Detroit game.  But in the Philly game, even his extra points looked 
bad.  So far he hasn't lost a game and his kick offs are always deep.  

			-Ron
From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles vs. 49ers:  what'll happen
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:45:06 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov10.043028.24229@wheaton.wheaton.edu>,
klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett) writes:

>    When the Eagles meet the 49ers, it will be a lopsided game, one way or
>the other.  By that time, hopefully the Eagles sputtering offense will be a
>fraction of what it was the first four games.  That will be the key of the
>game.

First off, I don't think that it will be a lopsided game for either
team. If so, then I would have to think that it would be lopsided in
favor of the 49ers, and that is not because of the fact that I am a
fan of the team. The Niners D will not have as tough a day as the
Eagle defense.  Truly a test for the vaunted Eagle "D".
Considering that the Saints had their hands full with the Niners
offense, an offense who was missing John Taylor and not playing at
the level of intensity as they are now, what makes you think that
the Eagle "D" will do any better?  I'm most interested in this
match up. All eyes of the NFL will be on this game.

>    I will be as bold as to say that the success of the 49ers offense is due
>to the play of the offensive line.  The Eagles' D is certainly good enough to
>neutralize any offensive line.

The Eagles played an offense who is comparable in ways to the Niners
offense.  I don't remember the Eagles neutralizing the Cowboys "O"
line. I don't think they will fair much better, if at all against
the Niners offensive line.

>Young could easily be stopped, both in his scrambling and passing,
>and the running games slowed, all by controlling the line.

You sure aren't giving very much consideration to the fact that the
49ers offense averages over 30 points a game, 410 yards a game, 152
yards rushing, 257 yards passing, and possess the top rated
quarterback in the league. About the only thing that can stop the
49ers offense IS the 49ers offense.

>If the offense can capitolize on the play of the defense, the game
>could be dominated by the Eagles.  Of course, this is a very optimistic view.
>The game could easily go the other way.  If the offensive line is controlled
>by SF, and the Eagles can't get their turnovers, the game is really over,
>because the Eagles aren't a comeback team.
>    The game will be decided at the SF offensive line.
>
>                                        . . . the Mantis
>                                              (Evinrood)

I would have to say that most games are decided at the opposing
offenses line. If you can shut down the running game and get to the
QB, obviously an offense isn't going to score many points.

Of course this game could go either way. The 49ers could come out
and choke BIG TIME! Or the Eagles could do very well the same!
Personally I think it will be one of the best games of the season.
Although I'd dearly love to get a shot at the Cowboys.


                                                    Tony
                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
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Subject: Re: Raiders vs Philly
From: <IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:30:47 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Any Raiders - Eagles game is ugly.  I don't think the Raiders will have much
success on the ground or in the air. L.A.'s not a good team, philly D will
tee-off on them.  that's not to say l.a. wont have ANY success, and with a
sputtering eagle O, a touchdown and a field goal may just win it for L.A.
but I doubt it.
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers Kick ASS AGAIN!
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:58:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath

GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>About
>the only way to beat the Niners is by outscoring them like the Bills
>did.

Hey, let's beat up this old cliche one more time.

The *only* way to win a game is to outscore the opponent.  I
don't care if it's the Niners or the Seahawks, you still have
to outscore them.

Oh, what you really mean is that the only way to beat the Niners
is to score a lot of points?  Well, that's how the Bills beat
them -- but Phoenix only scored 24.  Phoenix won by stopping the
Niners offense on 14.  And the Saints had a chance because they
held the Niners to 16.

But back to the old cliche book... maybe the only way to beat the
Niners is if everybody gives 110%.


--Gidi
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From: drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr)
Subject: Christmas In Dallas
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:24:23 GMT
Keywords: Tickets ??

I am going to be in Dallas for Christmas and wanted
to know if anyone had any tickets for Dallas/Chicago
on the 28th for sale ?

		Thanks

=========================================================
Bob Wisnack  - AT&T	wis@max.att.com
Drew Pearson - Cowboys
Joe Theisman - Redskins
Kenny Jackson -Eagles .....All South River High Alumni
=========================================================

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 16:44:26 MST
From: rosej@arizona.et.byu.edu (James Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: 49ers Lead in Rushing and Passing


Browsing through the USA-TODAY NFC statistics I found it very interesting that the 49ers lead the NFC in passing and RUSHING.  Only last year, the 9er rushing attack was quite dismal, something around 3 yards per carry.  With a healthy Steve Young (the NFL's highest rated QB  also averaging above 8 yards per carry rushing) and the emergence of Ricky Watters (second in the NFC in rushing and leading the NFC in total yards) the absence of Joe Montana and the '88-'89 era Roger Craig are not that significant (






not to take anything away from either of those two who proved their excellence over a much longer time).

Now if they had just kept Lott, Waymer, and Haley maybe the '9ers defense would be back where it used to be, usually in the top 5 of all of the NFL.



				James
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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Player of the Week Questions
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 21:10:03 GMT

In article <96322@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov05.165753.23471@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
|> >
|> >      I noticed that OT Eric Williams got NFC Offensive Player of
|> >the Week this week. 
|> 
|> There is no way he should have gotten this award.  Reggie blew right by him
|> for a couple of tackles and a sack.

      2 tackles and 1 assist -- no sacks.  Only one sack the whole day, and it
was BEvans chasing Troy on a rollout.  The play went to the line of scrimmage
and Troy was untouched.  RW put on the speed rush a few times, but never laid
a hand on Troy while he had the ball.

|>  He just got this because he was up against R. White 

       Ain't that enough? Shutting Reggie down for just a couple of garbage
tackles?

(and the award is probably more a complement for White's
|> ability than a reflection on Williams).

      So, Reggie gets complimented for being shut down?  Actually I see
what your getting at...and I half agree.  But I'll wait and see if the
"Easy E" progresses before I completely disagree...  


 
|> >      Also, when was the last time an offensive lineman got the award?
|> 
|> Jim Lachey (one of the greatest O linesman to play the game... and this is from
|> a GIANTS fan) got it in 1990.
|> 
|> I think the entire O line of Da Bears got it in 1990.
|> 
|> Someone from the GIANTS was the first to get it (can't remember his name).
|> 


   Actually, I found the answer to this:  Brad Benson NYG 1986
                                          Jim Lachey  Wash 1991
                                          Entire Chicage line 1990


|> These guys should get more respect.  Look at how much of a job the Hogs did
|> in 1991 in making Mark Rypien look like a superstar (Ryp's come back to earth
|> recently).  Come to think of it, aside from the Skins and the GIANTS, I 
|> really can't think of names of other O linesman (except Antoine Davis... but
|> that's because he's awful).
|>

      Agreed... 
|> satish nair
|> go giants
|> best wishes to coach mac for a speedy recovery
|> 
|> 
|> 

-- 
If I could, I'd slow the whole world down*I'd bring it to its | Pat Power
knees*I'd stop it spinnin' round*But as it is, I'm climbing   | My opinions only
up an endless wall*No time this time, No time at all          |
       - The Police, "No Time This Time"                      | Da Boyz are back!!


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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Subject: Bengals beat Bears 31-28 (Over Time).
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:33:33 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Title says it all


S.H
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles #1 Quarterback
Date: 11 Nov 1992 03:20:19 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: Jimmy Mac or Randall?

In article <1992Nov10.153447.15860@athena.mit.edu> centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>Give my vote for Randall.  Without question.

Same here. As far as I'm concerned, Randall IS the Eagles. To me he's the
embodiment of that team and why I became an Eagles fan. Whether they win or
lose, I want him at the helm leading the team. I like McMahon a lot too, but
somehow it's just not the same. There isn't that exciting atmosphere that you
get whenever you see Randall in there at QB.

-Teh Kao
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Montana throwing again...ho hum
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.133917.325@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.172209.7534@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>
>>Assuming he [Montana]does come back healthy, and shows no sign of his injury slowing
>>him down, what do the 49er's do, then?  
>
>The best thing would be to have the two go head-to-head and compete for the
>starting job. There should be no problem keeping 2 QB's. Most teams do not
>make it through a full season with just one. 

The problem with this solution is that Montana is making "start me or
trade me" noises.  How serious he is, I don't know, but he's making it
sound like, if he isn't the starter for the 49er's next season, he'd
prefer to be on another team where he could start.  The 49er management,
of course, has plenty of practice at keeping a starter-quality quarterback
relatively happy on the bench, but Young always had the vision of Montana
retiring to keep him looking forward.  Under a best-case scenario, Montana
has no more than 2-4 years of football left, and it's understandable that
he may not want to spend them on the bench, if he could be playing, elsewhere.
He could, of course, play the probabilities and wait for Young to get
injured, but that's not close to a sure thing.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More Patriots Woes
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:23:35 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Nov5.152805.16831@osf.org>, bsmith@osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:
> Adding to the Pats' already extensive injury list, Coach Dick MacPherson is
> out for perhaps the rest of the year with diverticulitis (an intestinal
> problem). 
> 
> The Patriots have often suffered from untimely injuries, but this year has
> been especially bad. Anyone know all the names? The most recent (not counting
> Coach Mac) was OT Bruce Armstrong, who suffered ligament damage in last week's
> game vs. the Bills. I believe that leaves the team with just one reserve
> offensive lineman.
> 
> Fellow Pats fans, take heart anyway. The team is still playing hard, and....
> next year will *have* to be better! (won't it?)

Didn't Dick get coach of the year awards last year for turning around the 
1-15 Pats of 1990?  He hasn't suddenly gotten stupid, right?  Jankovic was
also getting kudos for the team's play, I'm sure?

What choices did these guys make that have produced such an impotent team?
Have the gains of 1991 been erased?
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Subject: Re: Does anyone think Atlanta will win?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:16:45 GMT

In article <1dhktoINNgec@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>
>
>With Miller out, and the Atlanta Defense non-existent (worse than Pheonix's),
>the niners will have the luxurious option of either passing or rushing and
>hence scoring to their hearts content. Tolliver will *have* to pass, the
>niners should know it, and the otherwise weak secondary might give us a
>suprise.  Otherwise it will be a high scoring game on both sides, but the
>niners will come out on top.
>

Yes, if the Niners play as well against the Falcons the way that they played    against the Cardinals. The Falcons are a Jeckyll and Hyde team If they come to  play, they can beat ANYONE on any given Sunday (or Monday in this case). But    they are known to self-destruct and can also lose to anyone on any given Sunday.

-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
"We fear change."
 -Garth Algar
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From: rfedkiw@crenshaw.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: 2,000 yds
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:35:08 GMT

Well there seems to be only 2 2,00 yd rushers... one from Buffalo.
But, how many offensive weapons have had 2,000 yds.
Meaning recieving and recievers included.
For example, I think Thomas had a couple seasons with 2,000+ !!!! 

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: jjungbau@yoda.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Bears lose game, remaining title hopes
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 04:34:02 GMT

It is just now a final... the Bengals have beaten the Bears
31-28 in overtime at Soldier Field.  A 36-yard Jim Breech
field goal ended the game, along with whatever slim hopes
the Bears might have had for winning the NFC Central.  Bears
fans might be better off watching Ditka's press conferences
and radio shows than watching this team.

Good game coming up next week: Houston at Minnesota.
C'mon Vikes, beat the Oilers and keep yourself in the race
for home field.

Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
From: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 90's and Dallas? Maybe?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:01:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.190134.24515
Organization: University of Washington

>>From: jasmith@admin1.memst.edu
>>Subject: 90's and Dallas? Maybe?
>>Date: 4 Nov 92 13:49:39 -0600
>       >  This team is young enough to just maybe 
>       >  become the team of the 90's.  To go down in history be hide the 
>      >   powerfull teams like Green Bay Packers of the 1960s, the Pittsburgh
>     >    Steelers of the 1970's, and the Fourty Niners of the 1980's.
>     >    Let's hear for the inaugural season of the team of the 1990's.
>     >       The DALLAS COWBOYS the team of the 90's.

Sports Illustrated, Paul Zimmerman to be exact, made this prediction in 1991.
From: mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re: does anyone think atlanta will win
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:23:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

I think the Falcons have a slight chance. The defense has at times looked 
good...they are unpredictable. The loss of Miller is NOT that devastating
for 2 reasons. Billie Joe is not that bad of a back-up and Miller is not
really Bartowski reincarnated. The key to the Atlanta attack is a solid
pass block and great receivers. Tolliver can get the job done. As far as
him having to throw a lot...what else is new? The running attack has been
zero for the last 1 1/2 seasons and every defensive coordinator knows it.

Do I think the Falcons will win? No, but I'll be watching and cheering to the
last play. Remember Billie Joe's hail Mary last year. Now who was the other
team?
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:22:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bx9DKG.Dwt@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone knows who the last man to rush for 2,000 yards was?
>I think it was Dickerson but i'm not sure. The reason i'm asking is that at

It was Dickerson who holds the record with 2105 yards.  The only other person
to pass the 2000+ mark was O.J. Simpson with 2003 yards (don't hold me to these
numbers, they are off the top of my head).

>With the teams that Dallas has left on it's schedule it is very likely that
>Emmitt could rush for 1,000 + yards in the next 8 games. 

Probably.  This was his goal for the season.

>He is without a doubt
>the best running back playing this year. 

He is certainly a great back but he has the benefit of a good O line which
certainly has a lot to do with his performance.  Case in point: Barry Sanders
had a couple of monster years with the Lions but this year with the loss
of guard Mike Utley and tackle Eric Andlosek and with other injuries to the
line, he is struggling a great deal.

I personally fear for Emmitt... he may be carrying the ball far too many more
times than he would like to.  One would hate to see him go the way of Earl
Cambell or Chuck Foreman.

>    _____________________________________________________________________
>   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
>   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
>   |_____________________________________________________________________|

satish nair
go giants