HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Raymond D. Meredith)
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:13:20 GMT

rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>I think that technically Psilosybe (sp) spores are illegal but there is no
>real concern by the DEA beacuse they are so bloody difficult to do anything
>with if you are not a trained mycologist (I think that's what they're called)
>with a sterile lab.
>-- 
>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

>"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
>                                                    Victoria Roberts

     I believe spores can be cultivated to fruition by average ordinary Joe
and Joan Citizens, if I'm to believe what I've heard from books and some of
the stuff I've seen posted here.  Trained mycologists can't be the only people
supplying America's heads with 'shrooms.  They can't all be collected from the
wild either, I'd venture to guess.
     Here in Illinios, at least in the Chicagoland area, there's a guy giving
free seminars on getting into the mushroom growing business.  Of course his
presentation deals with the legitimate commercial types, mostly gourmet
varieties.  However, I'm sure that knowledge could be put to use in growing
the illegal species just as easily.  Any comments or contradictions out there?
	Thanks in advance for your time and advice.


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From: mystic@weird.miami.fl.us (Victor Marrero)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana addiction
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:24:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: weird.mystic.065q
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

Marijuana as well as LSD are not addictive.
        
They are habit forming though. So the reason you smoked everyday was because
you liked it, no other reason. This holds true sometimes for smoking too.
Some people believe they need to smoke in order to get through the day.

I personally think the should legalize the damn thing and tax it. Hell
will be richer than Japan.
        
Most of marijuana is farmed in the U.S. anyways.
        
Mystic Magic

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From: vu0350@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (allen h. lutins)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: A question about nutmeg...
Keywords: nutmeg
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:54:53 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton

In article <1992Apr14.110451.185@cine88.cineca.it> carioli@cs.unibo.it (Gabriele Carioli) writes:
>Can anyone tell me somethig about nutmeg (ground or 'space taste')?

This from "Wierd, Organic and Hard-to-Find Drugs" (Axton & Sharfman
1975; distributed by the `Do It Now' Foundation), which i find (based
on talking to folx who have tried it) to be an accurate description:

          The usual dosage is around 20 grams of ground nutmeg,
          about a matchbox-full.  Most people find it
          difficult to swallow enough to get off.  Severe nausea
          and diarrhea are usually the first effects of the drug. 
          Soon after, the mouth and throat dry out, the skin
          flushes and the eyes turn red.  Occasionally nutmeg
          may act as an up, but most often, the user will feel
          heavy, intoxicated and unable to do anything but lie
          down.  The user may appear drunk.  The emotional state
          of the user may vary between a dreamy peace-of-mind to
          hilarity to panic.  There is usually a distortion of
          time and space perception and a feeling of detachment
          from reality. It takes a dose very close to overdose
          level to produce a hallucinogenic experience, but these
          are sometimes reported.  Overdose deaths are usually
          caused by liver failure.  The high is followed by a few
          hours of hangover, often characterized by a severe
          headache and sore muscles.

...not anyone's drug of choice, except for folx like prison inmates who
absolutely can *not* get their hands on anything else...



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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Subject: Re: Another rambling thought: Marijuana is an HERB.
Reply-To: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd. CSC/UK
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:18:56 GMT




	I've had the same damn thought...exactly!

	I mean they want to lock me up because I like to set fire to a plant
	and inhale the smoke???? The people in power are wierd!

	Hey, as its a plant can't we produce a strain that will grow in
	different climates? Then can't we just sow the stuff everywhere and
	let nature (whats left of it) do the rest?

	J (Jason Hempseed the 90's answer to Jonny Appleseed.....) :*)
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Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7404 talk.politics.drugs:2809
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:59:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr8.200727.989@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes...
>Something of interest to us all ...
> 
>A local TV station located in West Palm Beach FL. (WFLX) reported in a
>news broadcast just a couple of day ago that there was a new and dangerous
>mind-altering substance being abused by the Jr. and Sr. High school students
>there. This fearsome substance was ... get this ... AIR ! Apparently, the
>practice of hyperventilation is now in vogue. It makes you tingly and

The Esalen Institute was (is?) offering courses on using hyperventilation to
acheive altered states. Stanislav Grof was involved in these at one stage.

gary
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7418 talk.politics.drugs:2814
From: bird@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: tongue firmly in cheek
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: BIRD%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <rlkc7INN176@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse) writes:
>The extreme left wing form of government would be Communism.   Most
>people in America fit somewhere in between these extremes.

"My father hated liberals.  He went with hard line communism mainly."
taken (probably grossly inaccurately) from Russia House

just thought i'd make the point that these definitions are hardly universal.
the main thing that defines a liberal is a want to change the old ways.
Conservatives want to stick with what is now, reactionaries want to go back
to what was in the past, and radicals want swift, revolutionary action. 
the two extremes tend to come close to resembling one another.
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From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Legal Cocaine? (WAS Re: Drug legalization)
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:54:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <11045@borg.cs.unc.edu>, bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:
> In article <1992Mar31.174452.29242@ncsu.edu> dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>>I've posted evidence showing that recreational doses of cocaine are 
>>potentially lethal.
> 
> You posted an article linking recreational doses of cocaine to several
> health-related problems.  The article made no claims about lethality of
> those conditions,  nor did you.  My ex-pre-med wife[1] believed that the
> conditions listed in the article were not generally life-threatening.
> 
>>I was amazed when people responded by attempting to downplay the
>>significance of that fact.
> 
> Multiple people pointed out that there was no evidence in your article
> indicating that the medical problems caused by recreational doses were
> life-threatening,  despite your claims in that self-same article that
> they were.  Just because a health problem has a complicated name like
> "acute myocardial infarction"[2] does not mean that it is life-threatening.
> 
>>I hope that people understand the implications of spreading misinformation
>>about the effects of cocaine.
> 
> I wish *you* did...  (The article you quoted was fine,  but your analysis
> was clearly faulty.)  Incidentally,  anyone still have a copy of it on-line?
> I could have sworn I saved it,  but now I can't find it.
> 
> Note:  I don't really believe I'll have any effect on Doug;  after all,
> he quite clearly failed to understand all of those posts that pointed out
> the logical fallacy in his article,  and has not responded to multiple
> refutations and e-mail messages of mine.  However,  just in case I'm not
> preaching entirely to a choir and some of you folks believe Doug,  I'll
> continue to post refutations.
> 
> [1] Not having access to an on-line medical authority,  I had to make do...
>     Incidentally,  I have convinced her of the logic of legalization,  so
>     I can at least claim one "convert" almost entirely my own. 
> 
> [2] Could be life-threatening;  I don't know,  and certainly wouldn't
>     believe Doug if he said it was without documentation.  Anyone know
>     authoritatively?

	An "acute myocardial infarction" is commonly known as a heart 
attack. Yes, it's life-threatening. No reason to prohibit cocaine, but 
it's life-threatening.
	-Allen
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bob@cs.yale.edu (Bob Dobbs)
Subject: More drug testing
Organization: Yale
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:25:52 GMT

I heard a new twist on beating drug tests today.  A friend of mine swears 
that 
he passed his drug test (one week to the day after smoking herb) solely 
because
he ate three cucumbers the day before his test.  Is there any way in hell 
that
this is true?  Maybe we should start a new group: 
alt.urban.folklore.beating.drug.tests?


Bob (SubGenius)
I'm everywhere
From: kg1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin Paul Goldman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: questions from NY
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:34:15 GMT
Organization: Junior, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In article <1992Apr7.162012.25931@phantom.com> >cereal@phantom.com
(Cereal Killer) writes:
>>>  2.  What is the best why to store doses?
>>>  
>>
>>In a toaster oven set to "warm"  this will keep your acid fresh and  
>>effective for extended periods.


If you do this you will waste your LSD. This is a chemical folks, a
unstable chemical. It's rate of breakdown is a direct correlation to its
temperature. Putting it in a warm toaster will destroy the chemical real
fast. Put it in tinfoil in a freezer and it will last up to a few
months....

DISCLAIMER : Of course I'm totally lying for kicks, as such sarcastic
posts  really get my rocks off. Don't listen to me. Hiya Big Brother!


Mongo

Major: Kegology, Zygmetry minor
College : The College of H & N 0 Stress...
                                              2
"Once in your life you get shown the light, in the strangest of places
if you look at it right..." GDEAD
"Nothing Left to do but smile,smile,smile..." GDEAD
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From: NORML California <canorml@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:53 PDT
Subject: 3 Things Pot Doesn't Do (2)
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1301300140:000:1159
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!canorml    Apr 16 23:53:00 1992


THREE THINGS MARIJUANA DOESN'T DO
 from California NORML Reports, April 1992
 (2) POT FOUND NOT TO CAUSE  FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME
   A new study of children born to marijuana-smoking 
mothers found no link between marijuana exposure and the 
birth defects of fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS).  The new study, 
by Dr. Susan J. Astley of the University of Washington, 
published in the January, 1992 issue of Pediatrics,  
contradicted a 1982 study by Dr. Ralph Hingson, in which 
prenatal exposure to marijuana was found to increase the risk 
of FAS. 
    Hingson's results, which have not been replicated, have 
been questioned on various methodological grounds, in 
particular the difficulty of controlling for combined drinking 
and pot use.   
   The new study looked for facial deformities 
symptomatic of FAS in 40 children whose mothers had smoked 
marijuana heavily during pregnancy and 40 controls, It found no 
association between marijuana and FAS, but deformities were 
observed in children of women who drank 2 ounces of alcohol 
per day or took cocaine.

(from California NORML Reports:  4/92
2215-R Market  St#278, San Francisco, CA (415) 563-5858)


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:51:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:
: 
: 5 or 6 sets of genes? Don't think so.

I don't know the right terms.  Would you buy 5 or 6 genotypes?
What is the right term for an unique gene set?

: Well, you can order some mycelium from the Florida Mycology Research
: Center, address and other info in addresses FAQ. You need to use a business
: or university letterhead (really tough if you work somewhere) for various
: Psilocybe cultures, not for Lepiota peele though. It's supposed to contain
: a legal tryptamine, which produces a nicer trip with less physical
: effects than psilocin. FMRC's prices are very reasonable, a Lepiota peele
: culture is $50 if I remember correctly. So get your order ready Bob and 
: tell us if this turns out to be a Magic Vegg.. now wait a minute.. 

Extreme thanks.  Tryptamine, huh, this melds well with some other magic in
the works.

:        A Genuine <drum roll, fireworks> Magic Mycelium!!

Thanks Petrus,

Bob
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: NORML California <canorml@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 08 Apr 92 01:02 PDT
Subject: Re: marijuana, alcohol and driving
Nf-ID: #R:ktpepsINN63a@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu:1478227436:cdp:1301300132:000:1478
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!canorml    Apr  8 01:02:00 1992


  There is a good deal of epidemiological evidence on this subject, which
is summarized in my article for the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs (Jan-Mar 88).
  Basically, what it shows is that marijuana is involved in about 8-20% of
fatal accidents, as opposed to 50%+ for alcohol.  Adjusted for the user 
populations, this works out to a comparable risk factor: i.e., the presence
of THC in blood appears to raise accident risk by about 3-5 times, similar
to the increase for alcohol.  
  HOWEVER, it also turns out that 80+% of THC-related accidents also involve
alcohol.  Adjusting for this, it turns out that THC alone is a negligible
factor in auto accidents.  
	
   It can be reasonably concluded that elimination of marijuana from use
would have a negligible impact on road safety.  Indeed, if you look at accident
statistics over the years 1965-1980, when marijuana was on the increase, there
is no evident impact on overall accident rates.  On the contrary, accident
rates have been on a general secular decline since the 1920's.  

  Another interesting fact:  last year, there was a marked increase in indust
accidents and absenteeism, which reached their highest level since 1979.  This
is interesting, since the same period saw the wide-scale introduction of
drug testing, which was supposed to reduce accident rates.  (I suspect the
upward blip was some sort of accident - but I see no evidence that mj or
other drugs have a major impact on overall societal safety).


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Re: Input sought on drug legalization: detection/
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:40:47 GMT

As I recall from a college tour at UCSB... bicycle DUI's are quite common.


>         Well, it's significantly less dangerous for a car to run into a 
> bicycle (at least for the car's occupants) than for a car to run into 
> another car. A drunken bicyclist generally only causes problems for the 
> bicyclist.

Well, while I certainly would rather have someone commit a DUI on a car than
on a bicycle....

Have you ever been hit by a bicyclist? its not to much fun... although
the tire print eventually does come off your forehead...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 18:47:12 EDT
From: <BEM113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: something new

I've been doing the same old drugs for the last five years and not to say that
I'm tired of them but I'm looking for something new and exciting.  I've been re
ading up on mescaline during the last couple days and I'm looking to hear from
someone with some first hand experience with it.  I've heard a wide range of
unsubstaniated stories but nothing from a real source.  I'd like to know things
like: price, duration of the trip, intensity of the trip, and any advice either
good or bad.
Thanks,
     McElderry
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7235 talk.politics.drugs:2716
From: hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: My conversation with Bill Bailey
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:54:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.155555.6999
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

Netters may recall that I posted a quote from Bill Bailey,
an I.U. instructor for a drug use in society course, to
the effect that marijuana had never been a legal drug.
Bailey stood by his statement and tried to weasel out
by an amazing piece of sophistry: not being "illegal"
was not the same as being "legal".  I'd say that this
was a distinction without a difference.

Obviously, Bailey thinks he's being very clever in the
way he gave the impression that cannabis has always
been illegal.

I did some preliminary checking with a contact in
the HPER department where Bailey "teaches."  Bailey
has some kind of masters degree -- something like
health science.  He is an ardent prohibitionist -- of
everything (alcohol, tobacco, etc.).  He does not have
tenure.

I think that Bailey should be made to defend his
statement and I intend to put him in the position of having to
do so.


-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu (tom)
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Organization: The Lab Rats
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:39:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.223637.16838@yang.earlham.edu> alexc@yang.earlham.edu (Sperminator) writes:

}this sounds very nice, but what is the entire libertarian platform?  just 
}a number or address wherre i can get this info is all for which i am 
}asking (e-mail alexc@yang.earlham.edu).  I agree with this point but i 
}cannot vote for them unless i know better the entire platform.

i love this attitude! does anyone know where i can get a copy of the
Republican & Democratic platforms. just a number or address where i can
get this info is all for which i am asking (e-mail tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu).
i agree with both of them on one or two issues, but i can't consider
voting for them without knowing more about their entire platform.

by the way, has anyone here ever actually seen a copy of either of
their platforms. (the LP platform has been posted many times and is
stored on think.com)
-- 
tom@udel.edu                                        ...!{gateway}!udel!tom
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu           UDel: School of Life and Health Sciences

"Themes were useless; Destiny was here, and the foot pedals were bleeding."
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7258 talk.politics.drugs:2735
From: jsattin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin A Sattin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: just a question
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:58:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <lamontg.702267431@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

>In my experience stoners aren't the only people who smoke pot.  Jocks, 
>cheerleaders, nerds, from damn near every social clique in my high school you
>could pick out people that smoked pot.  The "stoners" were just one particular
>clique.

I once got high with one of my high-school teachers...

_______________________________________
Justin Alan Sattin
jsattin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

"Leges Sine Moribus Vanae" - Laws Without Morals Are in Vain
University of Pennsylvania motto (hypocrisy in action).     
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Paul Hager -- candidate??
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:35:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Paul, you are the obvious person to put your toe in that water.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Jerry Brown
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:29:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.030202.28138@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del Vecchio) writes:
>
>That's just more braindead "outside forces" theory.  People get 
>hooked on drugs because they like to get high.

Sigh....

No, people do NOT get hooked on drugs for that reason -- they *TAKE* drugs for
that reason.

People tend to get hooked on drugs for many reasons -- but a large part of
it is low self-esteem, poor self-image and what seems to them a lack of better
choices.  At least in my own humble opinion.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

What good is a ticket to the good life, if you can't find the entrance?
From: NORML California <canorml@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 08 Apr 92 01:06 PDT
Subject: Re: Cannabis smoke
Nf-ID: #R:1992Apr4.203055.6444@cs.yale.edu:1869891934:cdp:1301300133:000:451
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!canorml    Apr  8 01:06:00 1992


  For instructions on building a smokeless pipe, send $5 to California
NORML:  2215-R Market St #278, SF, CA 94114.  To my knowledge, no one
has done a good chemical analysis on the efficacy of smokeless pipes or
bongs in filtering mj smoke.  However, the National Institutes of HEalth
did find that tobacco smoke could be filtered with as much as 90% efficiency
using a Syrian water pipe, which I suspect was rather larger than what
most people use.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs