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From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dave Barry slams Neil...
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:13:59 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In article <1du2s3INNrr0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>In a previous article, gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards) says:
>
>Why thank you for the complement, Gail!   Before I get a another deluge 

I did not say that!  If there's any resemblence between you and Dave Barry,
it surely escapes me.  And it's *compliment* sir, not *complement*.

Gail
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Pictures of Bear?
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:01:43 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Nov11.093441.14130@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> Chris Stimac  
<stimac@eckerd.edu> writes:
|Are there any pictures of Bear (Owsley) out there?  I've never seen a photo  
of him in any of the literature (Book O'Dead, Book O'DeadHeads, etc...).  I  
was listening to some '69 tune up banter in which the boyz were having  
problems with their monitors (which seems to be the case on every other tape  
from that period) and I realized I had no clue as to what Bear looks like.   
Isn't anybody else out there losing sleep over this? ;)
|"Bear, I can't tell you how almost better that sounds..."
|CRS
|stimac@eckerd.edu
|A fractal is a set whose Hausdorff dimension strictly exceeds its topological  
dimension.

No, there are no pictures of Bear. He does not show up on film, as a tragic  
result of too much interdimensional vacationing 25 or 30 years ago. For  
similar reasons, he also doesn't reflect in mirrors (like vampires, etc.) He  
doesn't show up too well in person either, which is IMHO a good thing because  
without a mirror he never can comb his hair properly. 

This has some relation to why whenever you hear about Bear on old tapes,  
someone is always yelling at him to fix the monitors or something. Sounds just  
fine where *he* is.

     *     *
        @
     \_____/


--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: vandal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Levan Frederick Hiemke)
Subject: Personal to GEORGE VAUGHN 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: cmu 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 00:46:43 GMT


George,

I've been getting the e-mail I've sent to you returned saying that there's
no such address at CMU as "cdl1@andrew.cmu.edu"

Isn't this the e-mail address of the friend whose account you were using?  
Let me know if it has changed or if I've written it down wrong.

-Van (your parent on the 7-13-84 Tape Tree)
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: 'Won't Get Fooled Again' and other assorted ramblings
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:22:26 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov11.164623.6669@EE.Stanford.EDU>,
bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
>In article <184220@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:
>>There have been some truly marvelous postings of late, folks, and those in
>>the Wheel who stiil dip their toes in these waters have some idea of what
>>the others have been missing out on.  The Cassady - Kerouac pieces are
>>truly priceless, and well worth wading through whatever chaff exists in the
>>mind of the reader.  Bill Moore is an exceptionally funny individual, Joe
>>Hack actually keyed in well on the satire he claims to be portraying, eagle
>>is the best thing for stream of consciousness since Dylan (Thomas, that is),
>>Lara deserves net.goddess status for her kindness, Gail Edwards provides
>>us with very charming and wonderful anecdotes on her life and prods many to
>>share theirs.  There are many, many others, so don't feel slighted if
>>you're not mentioned.
>
>Thanks George, but damn, that makes me self-conscious! :-)
>And let's not forget the always pleasant and good natured
>George Lambert. A few other names which come to my mind are
>George Lambert, among many others. Joe D., Laura B., Barb L.,
>the list goes on... virtual friends are different than real
>friends, but virtual friends are real in a way. The net has almost
>always been flourishing for those of us who can pick out what we want
>to read and get into. To this day.
>
>That's all for now,
>Bill
  ... i'm still blushing, too; and it is with the help and support
of friends here on the .net. that the days go by so smoothly.
perhaps some of us do take it too seriously, but it's so powerful to
be tied into so many other peoples' universes and perceptions.
let me restate that: some of us take r.m.gd too seriously, but
one can never take friendships too seriously ...  and bill, you
already mentioned two of my favorite people, laura bassi and barb
lewis (barb, LOVE those train horns on RFK, and  i'm sitting here
staring at "for lara, ken kesey" thanks to U!  :):):); also people
guaranteed always to delight and amaze me are todd brown and tom
"amorphous middle name" jacobs,

   ...  but my .net.friends are too numerous to mention
   ...  i love you all

lara
      @@
    @ || @
  @ \@||@/ @
   \ \||/ /
     ||||

it must have been the roses ...
From: mrg1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL ROBERT GSELL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead Citing
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:16:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Did anyone catch the Deadhead Insurance skit on the Ben Stilling's Show last
night?  It was rather humorous.

-gizm
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From: chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:59:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Should the Dead cancel Denver shows?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead

>     In light of the repeal of Ammendment 2 in Colorado, there are calls
>     for a boycott...while undoubtedly there is a pent demand for these
>     shows, maybe the boys ought to send a clear message to the people
>     of Colorado that they are in solidarity with our gay friends who
>     are being denied their civil rights in this state.
> 
>     With these upcoming shows, what kind of message can be sent?
> 
>     What do you all think?

Yeah, this makes lots of sense. Punish people who probably voted against
it and reward the ones who probably voted for it. Give in by eliminating
any displays of uncommon human diversity.

BTW, Amendment 2 was *passed*, not repealed.

			-- Chan

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: Dave Barry slams Neil... [joe hack revealed?]
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:08:29 GMT

In article <1dq6vfINNsnu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>For worst overall song - Black Muddy River
>for worst song lyrics  - Picasso Moon (this one is an easy winner)

Hmmm... anyone remember an old netter who used to trash 
BMR all the time? Same guy who flamed Rich W. for his no
drugs post. Is Joe slipping, or does he want to get caught? :-)
BTW, Joe spells independent as independant....

Hell, if we have a wheelgate we might as well have some
investigative reporting!

Bill Woodward
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Rabid Deaheads
Date: 7 Nov 1992 00:18:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Maybe I should have titled that "Rabid Netheads".  How quick you guys
are to lynch the nonconformist.  Quite strange, when Deadheads are
usually considered nonconformists themselves.

I posted a newspaper article I found.  Although I am a Deadhead, and
have been ever since 1966, I found the article to be a scream.
I almost wet my pants I was laughing so hard.  In true Prankster
spirit, I posted it.  I've not actually been to a show since 1972,
I've stopped by occasionally before the show to meet old friends
and check out the amazing scene that has sprung up recently.  I
thought the author made some very valid points about the state of
the following today.  Maybe you people are too close to see the
truth about the scene.  I am further away, and am able to see the
whole picture.

I first met Jerry in 1964.  I became a pretty diehard fan between 1966
and 1972, but had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity spring up, and
had to leave the country for a few years.  I returned to the US in
1985, and found the Dead scene to be quite different.  I was planning
to catch the NYE show this year, but....  Anyway, what I was getting at
was the way things were in San Francisco in the 60's.  There were
hippies, and non-hippies.  Neither group were very fond of each other.
The hippies were the nonconformists.  The non-hippies did everything
they could to make us go away.  Our views did not agree with theirs,
and they wanted us to cease to exist.  Now the hippies have grown up
and become the enemy.  The hippies have become net-heads.  Now they
are the intolerant ones.  I am the nonconforming hippy.

I guess being out of the country for so long made me immune from the
change that has taken place.  Its not a change for the better.
Deadheads used to preach love and happiness.

Now it is lynchings, overflowing mailboxes, and censorship.

What is this world coming to?

A confused Prankster.
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dave Barry slams Neil...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:05:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards) says:

>Why do I love reading Joe Hack?  Aside from the fact that he's always 
>getting flamed for his irreverent wit, I guess it's because of hilarious
>articles like this one.  One of my friends has a great Joe Hack bumper
>sticker (a must when driving through Cleveland) on her car:
>
>	Some of you have proven to
>       be bigger scumbags than me
>
>Gail
>"Nothin' left to do but :-) :-) :-)"

Why thank you for the complement, Gail!   Before I get a another deluge 
of mail, I will just post the info on how to obtain your very own
Joe Hack bumper sticker and be the envy of your friends and neighbors.

Just send $7.95 in cash, check, money order, or food stamps to:

Joe Hack Fan Club
870 Market Street, Suite 1369
San Francisco, CA
94102

Send us your email address and we will include a free gift, which is your
to keep.  Or throw away.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: Should the Dead cancel Denver shows?
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:55:00 GMT

> = loose@quake.sylmar.ca.us (loose_connection) writes:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>In light of the repeal of Ammendment 2 in Colorado, there are calls
>for a boycott...while undoubtedly there is a pent demand for these
>shows, maybe the boys ought to send a clear message to the people
>of Colorado that they are in solidarity with our gay friends who
>are being denied their civil rights in this state.
>
>With these upcoming shows, what kind of message can be sent?
>
>What do you all think?

Let me set you straight: *I* don't need to be sent the message.
I resent your blanket categorization of everyone who happens to live in 
Colorado.  Reminds me of the time a German guy lumped me in with "the people 
of the United States" who *overwhelmingly* approved of Reagan and everything 
he stood for (major gag!  I didn't let that one slide either).

Has anything happened in your state recently that the Dead or Deadheads
might seriously disapprove of?  Shit stinks all over this planet.

Perhaps the Dead should boycott ticket sales to any person who lives
inside a 200k square mile area where a majority of the citizens might 
do something asinine.

On the other hand, perhaps they should play in Boulder, where Amendment 2
was overwhelmingly defeated (3:1).  Did you know that citizens of Denver, 
Boulder, & Aspen have voted on and approved *local* laws prohibiting work & 
housing discrimination based on sexuality?  Furthermore, these cities are
pursuing a joint lawsuit to prevent the statewide amendment from taking affect.

-Brian  (... red & white, blue suede shoes, .... )
From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: You can't go back/stand still
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:13:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov12.221315.23033
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Here's what we've got IMHO:

On the one hand we've got this Small Wheel composed of a very exclusive,
closed (minded?) group of people.

On the other hand we've got this Big Wheel with admittedly lots of
problems and flame wars, but a fairly huge patchwork of basically good &
loving folks.

Now the way I see it:

The Small Wheel turns by the fire and the rod
The Big Wheel turns by the grace of god (yes, that's right, YOU, all you
net.gods & net.goddesses)

And that's all I'm gonna say about this issue.

	************************************************************
        *                       David P. Tracer                    *
        *                  University of Washington                *
        *                   tracer@u.washington.edu                *
        ************************************************************
        *           Won't you try just a little bit harder?        *
        *           Couldn't you try just a little bit more?       *
        ************************************************************

 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Fred Harris <fhh@nofs.navy.mil>
Subject: Reel-to-reel on tape trees
Reply-To: fhh@nofs.navy.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:05:25 GMT

As the subject line says it: I still use reels, along with a dwindling
minority.  If any other reel-to-reel users want to see a reel branch on
impending tape trees, please email direct to me and get counted.

Thanx,

Fred Harris
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: hg@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (henry.grebe)
Subject: Request for Recent CD Reviews
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:42:22 GMT
Keywords: Infrared, From the Vault

I was thinking about buying "Infrared Roses", and/or
"From the Vault" (or whatever the new LiveDead era
release in called..).

Anybody got any comments, reviews, raves about these
two recent releases.  I haven't have a chance to hear
'em, so if it's possible to describe them, please do.

The titles on "InfraRed" read like a Philip K. Dick
or Ray Bradbury story.

	Hank "Long Strange Trip" Grebe

P.S.  Anybody know the status of RT and Meta Tantay?  Ho!

AT&T Bell Laboratories            INTERNET: hg@hound.att.com
Room 2D-608                           UUCP: att!hound!hg   
Crawfords Corner Road                PHONE: (908) 949-2549      
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: Comes A Time
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:41:57 GMT

> charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff) writes:
>	Y'all keep talking up this Sandstone show for me, OK? This
>	one and the Cal Expo "Rain Show" the same summer.  There is
>	a tape tree in the works for these two shows....

As eagle once said, there is nothing like the Dead pushing that thick air 
around the Sandstone Amphitheatre during a summer heatwave.  Both 
the '90 and '91 shows saw temperatures break the 100 mark with humidity 
levels near the same.  The shake 'n bake shows.  

During the summer of '91 I was in sticky, stinky, NYC when the temperature 
broke 100 degrees for the first time in 10 years, and I was in Phoenix in July 
wearing a tux at a wedding in an unairconditioned church on a day 
when the mercury was at about 112.  Neither of these experiences were 
as powerful as the streets of Lawrence during the Sandstone run. 

> >I remember that was such a nice place to see the boys, beautiful
> >grass hill sloping down to the stage, trees in the background,
> >the sun setting behind us during the set break, watching the reflection
> >of all these beautiful faces in the bubbles that floated by...

Yep, a very under-rated venue.

> >Then after a long floating space to bring everybody out of
> >the intensity of drums gently you hear Jerry as he steps up to the mike..
> >"Comes A Time, when the Blind Man Takes Your Hand....."

Probably the fastest GDTRFB I've ever seen followed.  They barely squeezed
the words in.  Hyper-jerry.  He was really animated for this show, shucking
and jiving with Bruce all night.  During Fire he was actually arching his
back and rocking to and fro'.  32 minutes of Scarlet-Fire.  Yow!

While 6/25/91 is notable for the long Scarlet-Fire and Comes A Time, the
highlight for me was the first set.  No *special* songs, but the band was
just cookin' along effortlessly.  Memphis Blues showcased the Dead at the top 
of their game.  Hey, if I'm freakin out over Memphis Blues, then I *know* 
that the band is having a good night.
:-)

The previous night had it's moments too.  The Help-Slip-Franks that opened
the show was a gem, IMHO.  A nice airy version that soared in the open
prairie air.


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|  russellg@tramp.colorado.edu      To get to Weekapaug!"       :-)         | 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: russellg@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Russell)
Subject: Re: Ken Nordine at Bimbos (San Francisco)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:30:22 GMT


[SF chronicle review of Ken Nordine at Bimbo's] 
>
>Backed by the David Grisman Quartet, bravely winging it all the
>way, Nordine spun his tapestry of talk -- "shaggy doggerel," he 
>called it -- against the band's skillfully etched improvisations.
>Keyboardist Howard Levy played an extraordinary musical harmonica
>and percussionist Joe Craven was magical.  When he wasn't tapping
>prodding, or slapping parts of his miniature percussion kit, he
>was thumping rhythms on his cheeks and head.
>
>His is a novel invention of wit an whimsy, a personal vision
>of spoken word performances that skipped angst and anger in
>favor of absurd and oblique.  His appearance was a coup for
>the San Francisco Jazz Festival.

I concur.  Managed to catch the late show last Wednesday while in town for
InterOp.  Nordine's voice is magic.  He'd be rapping
along to the audience, spinning some tale and then turn to the band and say
"give me something with a goin' back to Iowa feel."   The band would shift
gears, Ken would start his rap, and BANG you'd be transported to a 
dirt road outside Cedar Rapids.

What a band!  What a voice!
Bimbo's is a great room - like a 40's jazz club.  Good crowd too.  
A real diverse mix.  

Did anyone else check this out?
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|  Glenn Russell                   "Some rise, some fall, some climb...     |
|  russellg@tramp.colorado.edu      To get to Weekapaug!"       :-)         | 
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Organization: Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 11:06:34 -0500 
From: "Lisa M. Smith" <ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Better DEAD than a DEADHEAD!

Joe Hack says (among a lot of other BS!):

        These poor souls, and I said they were pathetic, have had their
minds captured.  I'm not sure how, why or the reason behind it, but they
are lost children, even if a lot of them are balding.  How would you like
to see your youngster wandering aimlessly around the country, taking drugs,
living like a vagrant, wasting his or her life?

        These gypsy fans are pathetic.  Many of them are over-the-hill,
spaced-out hippies who are just one, big, royal pain to law enforcement
officers, sanitation crews and ordinary people who shouldn't have to put
up with such stuff.  They invite themselves into a community, clog the
streets, foul the place, act weird, then leave wearing their tie-dyed shirts,
sandals, and sneakers to do the same thing someplace else.  Guess who pays
for the mess?


        Why should we law-abiding taxpayers tolerate freaked-out creeps
urinating on out streets, tying up traffic and turning the beautiful city
park into a shantytown along the bay?  One guy even hopped in the river,
then was hit by two cars.  Seeing that he survived, he must have been relaxed
as a rubber band.


My response (emailed directly to him as well):

Please explain to me why, in your opinion, Jerry Garcia should be in
prison and Jerry Falwell should not?  

    1)  If someone chooses to follow a "Pied Piper" (any "Pied Piper')
to their own detriment, that is their choice and their right.  After
all, we do live in the U. S., not in China, and we do have the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    2)  Mind controll is practiced to a far greater extent by
televangelists than by any group of musicians in this country, and they
take "the poor souls' money" tax-exempt because of their claims that
they constitute a religion.  What is the cost to the American taxpayer,
in terms of lost revenues to the Federal, State, and local governments,
because these organizations and individuals do not pay income, property,
or corporate taxes????  Besides that, fundamentalist religions (of all
varieties) have crippled more lives and sent more inocent boys off to
wars than any other societal force.

    3)  Most "deadheads" are law-abiding, ordinary, citizens, some of 
whom choose to spend their vacation time on tour. What data do you have
that the "criminal element" is any more prevalent amoung deadheads than
in society as a whole?  Might Jim and Tammy Baker come to mind as
God-loving, law-abiding, "real Americans"???  Drug crimes are crimes,
but don't forget, so are embezellment, insider trading, and other white
collar crimes.

    4)  Wasn't it Jesus who challenged the sinless to throw the first
stone?  Perhaps Bob Wier has pondered this thought a little longer, or
more often than you have, i. e. "Throwing Stones".

Peace.

lms
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Roger Miller (1936-1992)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:17:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world, rec, usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

In article <1992Nov6.231436.3865@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>Remembered a part of another verse....
>|>Two hours of pushing broom
>|>Buys an 8X12, 4 bit room
>                4 bed?

bit

>|Destination, Bangor, Maine
>???

Old worn out suit and shoes
I don't pay no union dues

>I know every engineer on every train,
>All of their children,
>& all of their names
>???

Every hangout in every town
and every door that ain't locked
when no one's around

>|>I smoke old stogies I have found
>|>Short, but not too big around.
>|>I'm a man of means by no means
>|>KING OF THE ROAD

....
jimh@west.sun.com