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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Using the LDS database.
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:24:58 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Sep13.203238.15631@ra.msstate.edu> mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu writes:
>(rave review of the Los Angeles LDS library deleted)
>
>In all fairness, I will paint a different picture of LDS libraries ...
>
>The office in Plainview, New York is rarely open, due to lack of 
>volunteers to staff it.
>
Well... it is a part of the Mormon Church and the Mormon religion.
Thus the strength of the library depends upon how active the church
is in a given area and the contributions that are made to it. I believe
I said (or will now) that it is my understanding that the LDS library
in Los Angeles -- which has an IMPRESSIVE Mormon community -- in both
size and dedication (to which I do not belong) -- is second only to
the central LDS library in Salt Lake. (UCLA also has an impressive
library for genealogical research, but no match for Sutro in the UC
system).

Here in LA there are people in the library who have been sent by the
Church (as I understand it) from Canada and elsewhere to work on Church
affairs for one year periods. The library profits from their presence.

Genealogy is a labyrinth. Knowledge is always limited. If someone knows
something that yo don't that is a plus.

That the Mormon Church has a presence where they are not as strong as
they are in California is only a further indication of their dedication.
It does show that it would be important to find out when the LDSGL is
open and what resources they have and what resources can be ordered.
I suspect the order policy is quite general, but I don't know.

Tom
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:22:00 EDT
Reply-To:     JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
From:         JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      USS Maine

I would like to get the military records of Louis Monarch, a sailor who was
killed in the explosion of the Maine in Havana that precipitated the Spanish
American War.  Does anyone know how I would do this?

Jim Dunn , BITNET address JWD@PSUVM
           INTERNET address JWD@PSUVM.psu.edu
Researching Dunn (County Sligo>Lake Forest, IL)
            McNelis(Kilcar, Co. Donegal>PA & Greeley, NE)
            Walsh (Co. Kilkenney> Boston>Spalding, NE)
            Byrne (Klicar & Killybegs, Co. Donegal>Greeley Co. NE)
                   (changed to Burns)
            Parker (Mavis Enderby, Lincolnshire>WI>Hamlin Co. SD>WA)
            Lavin (County Mayo>Lake Bluff, IL)
            Horine(Alsace>London, Eng>PA>SD)
            Pettigrove(Kent, England)
            Lame (Philadelphia, PA)
            Monarch (France>Boston>NE)
            Pelham (Kent,England)
            Mears (London)
From: bpeters@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Peters)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Monroe family....
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:09:11 GMT
Reply-To: bpeters@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Peters)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



My mother is a Monroe from Virginia and I would like to trace the
family.  My granddad, who was born in the the 1860's or so was
James David Monroe......We are wondering if we are related to president
James Monroe (same neck of the woods  --- my mom is from Fishersville
in the Valley).  Any good hints on where to start as resources.  We can
go back to her grandparents.  I read a book on James Monroe, and found that
he had no sons that lived to adulthood, so if we are related, it is thru
his brothers.  I know at one time my mom said we had Scotch in our heritage,
and James Monroe's father came over from Scotland.  Any help would be
appreciated.  

BTW  --  there are ***tons*** of Monroes in that area  --  Fishersville/
Stanton/Waynesboro......and they are all relatives in one form or another.


Any help/hints are appreciated.   Pls do not tie up bandwidth, e-mail me
at bpeters@oasys.dt.navy.mil  or   cape@dtvms.dt.navy.mil


Thankx, again

				  brenda peters
				  david taylor model basin
				  bethesda, md
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:17:31 -0400
From:         Bill Green <ak385@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
Subject:      Swiss research
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu

Wow, it's amazing what you find in census schedules.  For yoou "old"
timers who remember my search for my father's parents, they finally
showed up in the 1920 census, along with my grandparents who lived just
up the street and were on the same sheet.  Talk about luck!

Another bit of luck is finding out I can legally wear green on St.
Patrick's day, my gggrandparents on my ggrandmother's side were Irish.
But I also found out my ggrandparents on my grandmothers side were
Swiss.  Much has been said of research in Ireland, but how about
Switzerland?  Any thoughts?



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* Bill Green, Minot, North Dakota    ak385@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu *
*                  green%milo@plains.NoDak.Edu                   *
*  Researching:  ANHORN, KOHOUTEK, KOTCHIAN, HAVLENA, MARSCHALL  *
*    WILSON, BROWN, REED, IDE, MASON, GLEASON, COOK, LAMB        *
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jmaster@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Justin Masters)
Subject: Re: LDS Database Acess?
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:55:52 GMT

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.213037.23821@acuson.com> lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
>>   The second hand information I have heard is that there is no, and will
>>   be no, electronic access from outside to the LDS genealogical data.
>>   The information is considered too important to risk _any_ possiblity of
>>   damage by hackers.
>>
>>   The answer I heard was on the topic of providing modem lines, but I
>>   assume that the policy would be universal.

>This is then a nonsensical policy.  The simple solution to the fear of
>hackers would be to put online only a CD-ROM version of the database
>(or even a hardware write-protected hard-disk copy thereof, if speed
>is more important).  This online database would not be networked or
>connected to the rest of the LDS computers in any way.  The online
>version could be updated every major CD-ROM release.  This would
>provide network connection to the released database, which is what
>most people would want, and absolutely guarantee inviolability of the
>master database.

There is also one other thing to consider:  If you notice in the genealogical
libraries, there is usually a sign or some notice that says the data
is to be used only for research, and not to be sold, etc.  I for one 
would hate to submit something, and then start getting mailers for 
sources which are nothing more than reconstituted phone directories, or 
getting hit up for other services, etc.  There might also be data on-line
that is sensitive, due oto recent deaths, etc.



>The only things standing in the way of this solution is money and time.
>--
>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:28:01 PDT
Reply-To:     Karen Isaacson <karen@MONTY.RAND.ORG>
From:         Karen Isaacson <karen@MONTY.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Surname Addendum
Comments: To: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu>
Comments: cc: Lynn Olivier <Lynn.Olivier@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com>
              07 Sep 92 00:14:00 CST. <199209070817.AA01761@rand.org>

Hi Lynn Olivier,

I have a suspicion that I may have neglected to tell you why I dropped
those 40-some names from your submission to the RSL.  I've been
tremendously busy, but I should have explained, and I'm sorry that I did
not do so.

Buried somewhere in the message on how to submit names of the list
is the fact that I only take 100 names per submission.  This is
probably presented as contributing to some noble objective such as
keeping the Roots Surname List from becoming too long, but really
has to do with limiting the amount of work I do to maintain the
list.

Good luck in your research!

Karen
karen@rand.org
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:37:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
From:         JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Rider Family, Howard County, Indiana

Any readers have any information about the Rider family of Howard County,
Indiana, 1850's, 1860's, please send a direct message to me.
THANKS!    Jim Freed, P. O. Box 864, Delaware, OH 43015
From: ssh@allegra.att.com (syed s haider)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: family tree software
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:49:57 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

[Originally posted to misc.consumers; then someone suggested soc.roots]

I'm looking for unix-based software that would allow me to enter
(completely) and then display (in pieces) family tree
information.  Anything available via ftp would be welcome.

I'm not a frequent reader of this newsgroup; please
reply to ssh@allegra.att.com if possible.  Thank you.

Syed S. Haider
ssh@allegra.,att.com
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Military address correction needed.
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:07:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Hi, can someone tell me what's wrong with the site name?  My machine keeps
choking on it.

frankfurtl-acirs.army.mil

I'm trying to get through to a friend, and this address is off somewhere.

Thanks,
Larry J

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From: FISHLM@SNYBUFVA (Lydia Fish)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: info request: A/P in US military
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: Viet Nam War Discussion List <VWAR-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

Forwarded from SEASIA-L

****************************************************************************

American Friends Service Committee <afscnatl@igc.apc.org>

AFSC seeking info on Asian/Pacific-Americans & US Military

The National Youth and Militarism Program is seeking assistance in
locating information and contacts for its work on a resource(s) on
Asian/Pacific-Americans and the Military.  Thu Tran and Harold Jordan
will be looking into the situations and experiences of Asians and Pacific
Islanders in the U.S. military -- as a whole, as separate ethnic groups,
and as individuals. Also, they will be collecting information on the
attitudes of different Asian/Pacific-American communities toward war and
military service.  See outline below.

Please consider how you can help in the following areas:

*  Do you know of written materials in newspapers, magazines, or
   newsletters about such issues as attitudes toward war, the military, and
   militarism among Asian/Pacific Islander communities in the U.S.?

*  Do you know of any persons who have had some valuable experiences in
   these areas and would be willing to be interviewed for this project?
   especially persons who have just recently separated from the military.

*  Do you have relevant anecdotes or specific incidents to share from
   your work?  such as experience through guidance or military counseling?

*  Do you know of other organizations or individuals who would come
   across cases involving these issues in their work?

Please forward responses to: Thu Tran, AFSC Youth and Militarism
Program, 1501 Cherry St., Philadelphia, PA 19102, 215/241-7165,
fax: 215/241-7177.

Proposed outline for ASIAN/PACIFIC-AMERICANS AND THE MILITARY

     Enlistment Trends
          - ethnic and gender break down
          - reasons for enlistment
     Recruitment Issues
          - most effective enlistment incentives
          - family influence on enlistment decision
          - recruitment fraud
     Military Occupation Specialties
          - under- and over-representation
     Racism
          - reports of discrimination complaints
          - unreported discrimination; interviews
     Attrition and Retention
          - attrition: reasons for leaving and types of discharges
          - retention: reasons for re-enlisting ("re-upping") -- interviews
     Immigration and Citizenship Issues
     Asian Communities and Attitudes Toward War and Military Service
     Asian/Pacific-American Veterans
From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Re: Bush Jet Sale Shoots Down Security Policy, Says BASIC
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:52:06 GMT
Followup-To: soc.veterans
Summary: Sell more !


We have to pay for the oil some way.  If they ever begin to stop
fearing their neighbors, they will stop selling us oil.
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Hurricane Andrew and the Military
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:15:28 GMT

I have a few questions concerning the military assisting in the
cleanup after Hurricane Andrew and am hoping that I can get some
answers.

  1. What is the command structure (ie. which branch is in charge,
     if any)?   hh hh. 

  2. What areas of coverage are the various branches engaging in
     aside from cleanup?

  3. What geographical areas are the various branches assigned to?

From what I've read in soc.veterans, it seems that the military
is providing many of the needed services such as heavy equipment,
shelter, sanitation, etc.  

Dave

USNR 1959-1961
USAF 1961-1965
A VET and proud of it
-- 

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Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093

Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: signals/telecommunications associations and museums
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:34:48 GMT

Interesting that this company has no Email address but wants
it by snailmail so they can enter it.
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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: VA/Disabled American Veterans Reach Tentative Settlement on Lawsuit
Organization: NDA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:51:17 GMT

Here is a press release from Disabled American Veterans and the Department
of Veterans Affairs.

 VA/Disabled American Veterans Reach Tentative Settlement on Lawsuit
 To: National Desk
 Contact: Jerry Atchison of Disabled American Veterans, 202-554-3501,
          or Department of Veterans Affairs News Service,
          202-535-8300

   WASHINGTON, Sept. 15  -- The Department of Veterans Affairs 
(VA) and the Disabled American Veterans (DAV) have
agreed to settle a suit challenging a statute enacted in 1990
involving suspension of VA benefits to mentally incompetent
veterans.
   As part of a deficit-reduction package, Congress passed a
temporary measure requiring suspension of disability compensation
to certain mentally incompetent veterans, with no dependents, who
have estates (excluding home) valued at $25,000 or more.  Under the
law, due to expire Sept. 30, 1992, payment of benefits was to
resume once the value of the estate dropped to less than $10,000.
   The suit, filed by DAV on behalf of 9,700 veterans whose
benefits were suspended, challenged the constitutionality of the
provision of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act.  DAV argued
that the law violated equal protection guarantees because it
targeted only incompetent veterans.  DAV won a preliminary
injunction and, as a result, benefits were resumed to affected
veterans.  That court order, however, was later overturned on
appeal.
   In announcing the agreement, Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Edward J. Derwinski said that an amicable settlement would be best
for all concerned.  "The law is due to expire this month, yet
uncertainty over the status of benefits paid because of the
injunction could drag on indefinitely," said Derwinski.  "That
would be unfair to this group of seriously disabled veterans," he
added.
   Under the terms of the agreement, which still must be approved
by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York,
VA would not collect any benefits paid as a result of the
injunction for the months of February through June 1992.  In
returns DAV and the class would agree to drop any further challenge
to the law.
   Newly elected DAV National Commander Joseph Zengerle, who was
also lead counsel for plaintiffs, voiced his pleasure with the
agreement.  "As a result of the suit, nearly 10,000 veterans will
have gained some $70 million in payments that would otherwise have
been denied them.  This would be a good and fair settlement," he
concluded.
    ------
   For further information, contact Jerry Atchison of the DAV,
202-554-3501, or VA News Service, 202-535-8300.
 -30-

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From: bergman@AFPAN.PA.AF.MIL (CMSgt Mike Bergman)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: AF News Svc 09/19/92
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:40:22 GMT
Organization: Hq Air Force News Agency/SCC


718.  F-16 crash
719.  Reservists training
				   &    &    &
718.  F-16 crash
     INCIRLIK AB, Turkey (AFNS) -- The pilot of an F-16 safely ejected from
his aircraft before it crashed about 150 miles east of the base Sept. 8.
     Lt. Col. Don Snelgrove, 86th Wing, Ramstein AB, Germany, was on temporary
duty in support of Operation Provide Comfort.
     Provide Comfort forces fly fighter and reconnaissance missions over
northern Iraq to ensure security of Kurdish citizens in that area.  Forces
from France, Turkey, England and the United States make up the combined task
force.
     The Air Force is investigating the accident.


719.  Reservists training
     HOMESTEAD AFB, Fla. (AFNS) -- Reservists from Homestead will have a unit
training assembly Sept. 12 and 13 at the base and at Kendall-Tamiani Airport,
Fla., officials said.
     People assigned to the 482nd Fighter Wing, including subordinate units,
will meet in hangar 194, at 8 a.m., Sept. 12.  The 301st Rescue Squadron will
meet at the same time at the airport.
     Commanders are allowing a liberal excuse policy for reservists with
pressing family matters, however, unit members must reschedule and complete
their training by the end of September.
     Additionally, reservists without serviceable uniforms may attend the
training in suitable work clothes.  Heavy shoes and long pants are
recommended.
     More information is available by calling toll-free 1-800-354-9886.
Members of the 301st Rescue Squadron may also call (305) 253-8670.

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From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Coast Guard Vietnam Veterans
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:16:26 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


	I am posting this notice in behalf of my father, GMCM Bill
Wells, who is searching for other Coast Guard Vietnam veterans. He is
looking for members of Squadron One, Squadron Three, ELD, AtoN, any
staff contingent, for historical research. *Semper Paratus*
	Please e-mail me.

	Thanks,
	Scott Wells
	<wells@athena.cs.uga.edu>
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: signals/telecommunications associations and museums
Organization: Echo Beach
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:50:16 GMT

Please pass the following message along to anyone in your organization who
should see it.

Gale Research Inc. is now compiling a revised edition of
{Telecommunications Directory}. If you would like your
telecommunications-related company, association, government agency or
periodical to be listed free of charge in the {Telecommunications
Directory}, contact:
 Mr. John Krol, Editor,
 {Telecommunications Directory},
 Gale Research Inc.,
 835 Penobscot Building,
 Detroit, Michigan 48226-4094, U.S.A.
 telephone 800-347-4253  or (313) 961-2242,
 fax (313) 961-6815
and ask him to send you (or someone else in your organization) a
questionnaire for the directory.

The previous edition was published in 1991. Your local public or
university library may have a copy.

Here is the questionnaire that you can fill in and return to the above
address (not to me), together with any literature that you think the
editors might find helpful:

 Organization name:__
 Address:__
 Specific system or service:__
 Name of head of system or service:__
 Person's job title:___
 Phone number:___
 Year founded:____
 Staff (indicate number in each category:
 __ Total (__ management; __ technical;  __ sales & marketing; 
 __ clerical; __ other)
 Related Organizations and Their Specific Affiliation:__
 General Description:__
 Geographic Areas Served: __
 Rate Structure: (if unable to supply specific charges, please provide a
general rate structure)__
 Publications/Documentation:___
 Clientele/Availability: (Please list primary types of clients, any
limitations or restrictions)___
 Key Features Summary:___
 Contact Person: ___
 Name and title of person completing questionnaire:___
 Telephone number:___
 Toll-free telephone number:___
 Fax: ____
 Telex: ____
 Electronic mail address (include system name(s) and your code or address)___


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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Stars & Stripes Subscription?
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:05:56 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Anyone know how I could get subscription information for Stars and Stripes?
(Is it even being published these days?)

Larry J

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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: List of military e-addresses?
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:37:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Sierra Oscar Sierra!  I was sent a listing of all known internet addresses
for military sites around the world and this stupid computer lost it!

Will the kind person who sent me the first copy send me another?

BTW, Standby for official announcement concerning the creation of the 
Veterans' Information Site.

Larry J

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