From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Al Gore & Tipper (was Re: Where's Frank Zappa?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:49:59 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <21JUL199205001072@mary.fordham.edu> bdowning@mary.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.004156.2780@chinet.chi.il.us>, katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes...
>
>>I dislike the PMRC and I *hate* the idea of record labeling, but it's really
>>
>>At least, Tipper comes off as a "Concerned Mom" misguided, but well-meaning.
>>The big problems come with record stores who refuse to carry labeled
>>albums, but it's their right to carry and not carry what they please. 
>
>  Not quite, some people *EXPECT* their local record stores to 
>stop carrying records that are labeled. Or maybe they'd have to create
>a little porno room like they have in many video stores. Labeling is truly is
>more dangerous than it sounds.

Well, I didn't mean to say that there's nothing wrong with labeling. I
used movie ratings as an example, and in that vein, I hate the thought 
that there are theater owners who refuse to play NC-17 films. I just
fight it in my own way and frequent stores that will carry labeled  
albums and theaters that will show NC-17 movies. I haven't been to a
Blockbuster since they refused to carry _The Last Temptation of Christ_.

Conservatives/Bible-Thumpers are a very vocal lot and "the rest of us"
tend to be complacent. I always try to speak up when I'm unhappy at
a policy that was instituted because of a few insecure noisy conservatives.

>>Tipper can *not* be lumped in with someone like Jesse Helms, who is a
>>fascistic Bible-Thumper.
>
> No, you're right. Jesse deserves to have his own little slice of the
>hall of shame. If there is a hell, it's fires certainly wait for Jesse
>Helms *AND* all of his tobacco-pushing supporters (here little boy,
>wanna smoke summa this stuff?).

No no, see, Jesse is going to Heaven. I'm sure Pat Robertson would think
so. That's why *I* want to go to Hell, because all the really fun people
will be there!

>>So go vote for George Bush and his dummy Quayle. Or don't vote for anyone,
>>in protest. Jesse Helms and the Southern Baptists will thank you.
>
>  I agree, Al Gore is a good man, and the Evil Empire has got to go.
>But, it is frustating to watch the democrats play UP Tippers past
>mis-guided rollicks in an attempt to show that they care about "FAMILY
>VALUES" well, my family *VALUES* include open albums, minds, books,
>and discussions. I will vote for Clinton for three reasons.
>
> 1. He said that he'd nominate Mario Cuomo to sit on the supreme court.
>    Cuomo is my number one choice for any political office *ANYWHERE*
>    He is brilliant.
>
> 2. Clinton is pro choice.
>
> 3. Al Gore is his running mate and he's environmentally and technologically 
>    progressive.

Hmm, I don't see the Democrats playing up Tipper's past as much as the
News Media & Pundits (who say that she will appeal to disenchanted
conservatives.) I *do* see the Democrats saying that her family values
are a plus for the ticket. I don't see anything wrong with that. Gore's
family is a good counterbalance to Clinton's for people who really care
about that sort of thing. I'm more interested in the politics than the
photogenic family aspects, and your 3 reasons are also why I'm voting
Democratic. 

Vickie



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