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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.privacy.encryption
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:49:36 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>In article <z=vnlpm.tomrice@netcom.com>, tomrice@netcom (Tom R. Rice) writes:
>>There are other techie privacy aids, such as spread-spectrum or
>>coherent CW radio communication schemes which render the very
>>signals difficult to detect.  This might be good for 
>>privacy-oriented hams, but would it be of general interest
>>on the net?

By FCC  regulation, it is illegal for amateur radio operators to
transmit encrypted signals.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
RE Drug Warriors who enjoy making a "good" bust: I'm sure the Salem
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.motorcycles.harley
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: removal of alt.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:43:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.160521.14468@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.155929.6054@aber.ac.uk>, ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel) writes:
>
>| If there are no serious objections before Monday (either posted to
>| alt.config or mailed to myself) I will issue an rmgroup for it then.
>
>  At the moment there is more and better discussion going on here than
>in the rec group, so consider this a serious objection. I will keep this
>group at my sites until the rec group shows some signs of viability and
>a freedom from flames from rice-jockeys.

kind of self-fulfilling isnt it?
i mean if you dont remove the alt group and CONSOLODATE discussion a
little bit then there will always be a difference. it is a ridiculous
and wasteful practice to keep OLD alt groups alive simply because they
CURRENTLY have a different flavour than a group that is still teething.

nuke the group.
i certainly am...

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Xref: sparky alt.config:5621 rec.arts.tv:17547
From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Quantum Leap "Genesis"
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:04:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

So now that "Genesis" will be running cut (presumably) on USA this
Sunday, does that mean the end of the "Genesis chain letter" tape
list?  Speaking of which, is this still going?  It was announced over
a year ago!

Agitator
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)
Subject: Blake's 7 (alt.tv.blake7)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 05:54:04 GMT

Would anyone be interested/opposed to alt.tv.blake7?  Someone seems to be
considering calling for a vote for rec.arts.tv.blake7 (or something) and
I thought it might be good to start off a alt group and see if there was
any traffic in it.

Thoughts, comments, or flames welcome... :-)

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Xref: sparky alt.config:5659 talk.bizarre:29625 alt.religion.kibology:3775 alt.cascade:1837
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.religion.kibology,alt.cascade
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.society.anarchy
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:11:44 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.194459.22789@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> pics_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Captain Picard) writes:
>From: pics_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Captain Picard)
>Subject: Re: newgroup alt.society.anarchy
>Date: 10 Sep 92 19:44:59 GMT

>In <gunnarh.85.716148542@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep10.003240.9854@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>>>From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
>>>Subject: newgroup alt.society.anarchy
>>>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:32:40 GMT
>>>
>>>
>>>Charter:
>>>
>>>Ha!  You want a charter for anarchy?  Surely you jest.
>>Ho! You thought Carter was democracy? In God we trust.
>Him? You thought Custer had victory? He wasn't the best.

Cascades are for mental lepers.  Stop while you still can.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 12:08:14 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep9.044126.21879@samba.oit.unc.edu> Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London) writes:
>In article <1992Sep09.014428.7703@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>>>>sales clerk who mistreats a customer. If I were your boss, you would
>>>>be fired.
>And if I were your sysadmin I'd close your account for posting private e-mail
>in a public newsgroup. Talk about breaking rules and poor netiquette......
>

What is your interest and role in this matter? Are you a supervisor
at or a director of the computer center at UNC? If so, I would
appreciate your unbiased perspective.

It wasn't private e-mail. This news administrator broadcast a request
for votes and/or opinions about whether a particular newsgroup should
be created. His instructions were for participants to post feedback to
alt.config, and I followed his instructions.

This same person overseeing the creation of the newsgroup, disagreed
with my posted opinion, and then began an inflammatory dialog filled
with vulgar language.

Thanks in advance for any constructive feedback you may care to offer.


George
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL for group "alt.cesium"
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:49:21 GMT

I recommend that you choose a more descriptive newsgroup name than
"alt.cesium."  With such a name, you might attract a lot of the people
you're looking for, but you'll also get noise from a number of
bewildered chemists.  alt.org.cesium sounds perfectly reasonable.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 13:35:35 GMT

In article <7S2JTB6@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>> So why keep the entirely spurious word "afternoon"?  Why not call it
>> alt.fan.disney.series, alt.fan.disney.tv or just alt.fan.disney?
>
>Because this is one of those situations where the name itself transcends
>its meaning.  The "Disney Afternoon" refers to a certain set of shows,
>regardless of what time they're shown.

Then it is a poor term and should not be used, _especially_ as the
name of a newsgroup where the key is to avoid confusion.

Personally, I'd prefer the much wider-known term "After School" than
"Disney Afternoon".

--Dave
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: alt.rachel.weenie
Summary: rachel sucks!
Keywords: weenie weenie weenie
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.223506.9926@ctr.columbia.edu> ewing@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Martin Ewing) writes:



>I call for the creation of alt.rachel.weenie, because she is pissing me off.
>She butts her nose in everyone else's business and I'm sick and tired of it.
>Rachel, get a life, rent a clue, and fuck a cat!


Rachel who?

---G
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.architecture
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:01:06 GMT

u8653100@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Dennis Lu) writes:

:This is a proposal for the creation of a new alternative newsgroup on 
:archictecture.  

Much discussion of architecture takes place on alt.planning.urban.  The group  
gets wide distribution in Australia, judging from the posting that takes place  
there.

It would be nice to use the alt.planning heirarchy (alt.planning.design?   
alt.planning.architecture?), but planning and architecture are two different,  
albiet related fields.  I'd be for an alt.architecture group, if the discussion  
is intended to be informal and casual.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.architecture
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:17:53 GMT

As someone, who has been looking high and far for a newsgroup
addressing architecture, this is welcome news. Having a place
where students, educators, architects, and other interested people
can all exchange ideas is a valuble idea. I hope that others will
show support for this and participate upon it's creation.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.privacy
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.privacy.encryption
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:42:33 GMT

>>I think it should be a bit more general group - how about
>>alt.privacy.tech?  That would also include technology for anonymity,
>>using pseudonyms and so on.

>I'd think that .tech sounds too much like electrical gadgets to keep
>burglars outside. (or at least call the police if they get inside..)
>Of course, if you intended it to sound like the newsgroup would be for
>discussing any technologies to ensure privacy.

Well, I do think also that stuff could be suitable for the group.
Hmm, how about alt.privacy.tools?

//Jyrki
From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:41:26 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep09.014428.7703@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>>>sales clerk who mistreats a customer. If I were your boss, you would
>>>be fired.
And if I were your sysadmin I'd close your account for posting private e-mail
in a public newsgroup. Talk about breaking rules and poor netiquette......

>not what you are being paid to do. Keep it up, and you'll be history. 
And may you and your mindless diatribes cease to exist as soon as possible;
get your weenie butt down to this neck of the woods and we'll find a way
to get the KKK to take you in and teach you what _real_ flaming is all
about. You belong with those good old boys.
You narrow-minded dweeb. 

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: That Bitch
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 15:36:17 GMT

ewing@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Martin Ewing) writes:



>I call for the creation of alt.rachel.weenie, because she is pissing me off.
>She butts her nose in everyone else's business and I'm sick and tired of it.
>Rachel, get a life, rent a clue, and fuck a cat!

>Martin

>--
>ewing@minerva.cis.yale.edu

I AGREE: BUT LETS HAVE HER FULL NAME FOLLOWED BY THE WORD
BITCH!

I got my news groups tho..and guess what? I AM FLATTERED! My
buddie and I haven't had a good laugh in such a long time. He does't
even use the computer that much and thinks that shes USENET IDIOT.

But that is what you get from a 7th generation inbred whore.

--
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                 Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:41:44 GMT




Even more clueless types "voting" on an alt group.


Of course, the whole idea that "it's a bad thing to create a newsgroup
for every band that comes down the pike" is completely lost on that
type, so I won't bother with the usual extended argument about how
ultimately stupid it is.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
    AHA!  I'll bounce off that broad, flat surface and be in a lot of pain!
From: epc@cs.nott.ac.uk (Elvis Presley's Corpse)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Blake's 7 (alt.tv.blake7)
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:51:52 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Sep10.154320.3168@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.055404.18813@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
> kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name) writes:
>>Would anyone be interested/opposed to alt.tv.blake7?  Someone seems to be
>>considering calling for a vote for rec.arts.tv.blake7 (or something) ...
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>There's certainly been a lively discussion of rec.something.blakes7,
>though most people seem to be opposed so far.  If the consensus is
>not to bring it to a CFV, we can go ahead with an alt group.

It seems likely that rec.whatever.blakes7 won't go to a CFV.  The
general consensus seems to be to use rec.arts.sf.tv for B7 discussions
(someone has volunteered to post a regular message to the other groups
that get B7 posts, directing them to r.a.sf.tv).  

The problem with the vote is that, although us B7 fans know there are
enough posts to justify a rec group, it is very hard to convince other
people because B7 posts have been scattered all over the place; no
single group that handles B7 discussion has had enough posts on its
own to warrant starting a new group.  I hope we will get a rec group
in the future but the best thing now is to get all the B7 talk in one
place, rec.arts.sf.tv, so please don't start another group.

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From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:05:13 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 5e6e7002fa6af9e7f2a3a61d88099e4f

In article <1992Sep09.174939.17823@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>Fine. The president of Duke University and their Board of Directors
>will be receiving by certified mail printouts of all your postings
>in this thread.

Just be DAMN sure their my postings.  This last one is NOT my style at
all.  Will someone send me the articles so I can trace the forgery!

					Wolfe
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Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Warning: Imminent death of the net predicted
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep05.141405.994@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>In various messages, 
>akt@dc.Clinton-Gore.org (Amit Thakur) writes:
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.clinton moderated
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.d
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats moderated
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats.house moderated
>>Control: newgroup alt.politics.democrats moderated
>
>I believe this to be a very bad[tm] thing.

I did too.

I also junked the groups on my system, xcluud.  As I've always been told,
the power of the press belongs to those who own them.  Just do a delgroup
and they're gone.

-- 
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 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
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From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:15:01 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <1992Sep05.155322.26563@NeoSoft.com> arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.213152.13071@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>> [I will not comment on the net.bozo stuff]
>> Isn't the name somewhat inaccurate? What if disney produce
>> another show to be shown in the afternoons? What if it's shown in another 
>> timeslot in other parts of the world?
>
>It's a generic name, really.  Most of your questions do hold true.  The
>lineup changes every year, usually the oldest show gets dropped and a new
>one gets added on.  Not all shows get shown in other parts of the world
>tho many of them are shown in other countries (I'm glad you didn't tell me
>it was just an American thing -- I got real tired of hearing that one).
>
>Basically, we're talking about any shows that have been or will be shown on
>the Disney Afternoon, regardless of what time slot they're shown in -- in
>fact, many FOX affiliates are breaking up the Disney Afternoon shows and
>are showing them at all times of the day because they've committed the Warner
>lineup (Batman, et al) to the afternoon time slot.  Also, any topic even
>remotely relevent should be discussed, including merchandising, movies,
>speculation, influences, etc.  I'm doing this for those who can't deal with
>the high volume of mail on the mailing list.
>
>So this includes Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Chip 'n Dale's Rescue Rangers,
>Tale Spin, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, Bonkers! and Aladdin so far.
>Thanks for reminding me; I think I'll go send the control message now.  :-)

The net.name.pundit growls as he sees the newgroup go out...

"Should be alt.tv.disney.afternoon - no, alt.tv.disney..."

(The net.pundit does not like having two Ren-n-Stimpy groups and two
 MST-3000 groups cluttering up the altnet, and notes that the .tv.
 grouyps get most of the volume.)
-- 
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From: karl@ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.colleges proposal
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:43:51 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302

In article <dsmith.716004461@aa.cad.slb.com> dsmith@aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith) writes:
>[How about a whole slew of new groups alt.colleges.<country>.<state>.<univ>?]

I think this is a bad idea.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: WHO THE FUCK IS RACHEL?????
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:13:42 GMT

In article <gunnarh.71@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>Ok, I haven't read alt.config for about a week, so I just decided to look it 
>over again, and what do I find? Approx. 45 trillion letters saying the want 
>a newsgroup call alt.fuck.rachel.and.burn.her.on.a.stake.kill.kill.kill
>
>Just tell  me who she is, and I'll  probably hate her myself.
>
You probably already hate her/him under another name.  She/he is better known
as "Carasso", but uses several aliases, usually with the initials RDC.

Bill Marcum (My real name.  It's even in the phone book.)
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: That Bitch
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:18:27 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Is 'Cindy' employed by rdc to make (it/him/her) look good
by comparison?

Enquiring minds want to know.

(What does this have to do with alt.config?)

Scott
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From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.non.sequitur,rec.audio,alt.exploding.kibo
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.lurker
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:46:07 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <qVJ5qB1w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us> bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Sep14.184823.1164@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (
>> >This is the official RFD for a new group, tentatively named "alt.lurker".
[deletions here]
>> >sit on the group and "lurk", as it were... no waste of resources
>> >whatsoever! 
>> >The discussion time is 2-3 weeks... or we could just go ahead with
>> >the CFV since most of the lurkers won't respond to the discussion
>> >anyway. 
>> >Thoughts?
>> >
>> I'm all for it.  It's about time those guys had a place where us loudmouths
>> wouldn't take up all the bandwidth.  Place would go bogus pretty quick, thoug
>
>I don't get it.
>
>Lurkers read, and rarely if ever make their presence known. If they had a group
>to not post in, what value would it give them?

A place of their own?
Newsgroups: alt.config