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From: warren@apple.com (Chris Warren)
Subject: Re: Please send the FAQ, local copy has expired
Followup-To: rec.video.satellite
Organization: Taligent.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:10:28 GMT

In article <DGFRITZ.92Dec17201820@hubert.rodan.syr.EDU>,
dgfritz@hubert.rodan.syr.EDU (Doug Fritz) wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Please send or repost a copy of the faq. The local copy has expired. I
> saw in the news.answers that the faq is posted monthly, but I need to
> see it before 12/20 if possible.

I have been reading this group for two months and I haven't seen the FAQ
the entire time I've been here.  I post faqs for couple other groups and
I recently discovered if I don't set explictly set Distribution: world
then some places don't get it.  If the person maintaining the FAQ is having
trouble posting it on a regular basis, I would be more than happy to
post it for them when I post my other FAQs.

Cheers
--Chris
From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: test art
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:24:57 EST
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
Reply-To: phil@phunt.MV.COM
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1

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From: larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Janeil & Shop At Home
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:16:30 GMT
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance

The Janeil came two days ago - well before the max time that Shop At Home
promised. No problems at all.

The receiver itself is nice. I can see why it failed in the market place -
there are no push buttons to jump from one station to another. It's a real
pain to tune. But as a hobby gadget, it's just fine. I wanted it to tune
in classical music stations in stero and it does that beautifully. All in
all, it's a nice electronic toy to play with at a cheap price. Thanks to
everyone who said to call again and thanks to Gary for discovering it.
From: wells@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wells)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:40:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Janeil & Shop At Home
Organization: Zanzor of the CLOUDS
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite

In rec.video.satellite, larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr) writes:

> The Janeil came two days ago - well before the max time that Shop At Home
> promised. No problems at all.

Yes, I got mine quite promptly SAH was very quick in delivery.

> The receiver itself is nice. I can see why it failed in the market place -
> there are no push buttons to jump from one station to another. It's a real
> pain to tune. But as a hobby gadget, it's just fine. I wanted it to tune

Actually it looks like it was supposed to work in concert with the Janeil
Sat rcvr which had a serial data cable connecting the two.  The data saved
in the Sat receiver would cause the processor to switch channel ferquency 
and processor functions.  If I get some time and a chance to mess with the 
electronics during Christmas vacation, I will put a diagram on the net on 
how to install a center tuning LED circuit.... my current gripe... 
never can trust that thing to center the frequency.


			John in the Fort
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: neal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry Neal)
Subject: Re: C3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:37:14 GMT

It looks good in Illinois, but not really that much different than C4, both
are GREAT.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: clark@angelo.amd.com (Brad D. Clark)
Subject: Cricket Returns! kinda....
Summary: W.I. vs. Pakistan from SCG
Keywords: cricket
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:39:05 GMT

Fellow Netters (& Vijay  :->)

Benson & Hedges World Series of Cricket was on from 1900-2300 PST
last night, G6/20. Picture quality was weak but better than the
last time I viewed. 

That's the good news. The bad news was that the transponder went
down at 2300 SHARP! W.I. didn't even finish their bats, even though
they were in the final over. Needless to say, I didn't get to see
Pakistan bat.

Anybody (Hello Vijay...) know what the outcome was? Last I saw it
was Australia 8/240 (approx), and Des Howard had just been run
out after a stellar 96.


Also, there looks to be a full test match starting on Boxing Day (the
day after Christmas) that the W.I. team will be involved in. Start
looking on G6/20 about 1900 PST. I think it's between W.I. and
Pakistan (could be wrong). Clarification: look about 1900 on
Christmas Day, since Australia is a day ahead of the US.

Will post more if I get more match details.

Brad
clark@brahms.amd.com

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: rxv9839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Bob Vogel)
Subject: Re:  HBO Schedule source
Reply-To: rxv9839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:37:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.192528.10190@ccd.harris.com>, wtf@controls.ccd.harris.com
 (Bill Fredenburg) writes:
>
>Some time within the last few months someone posted the address of a company
>(in Illinois I think) which published a monthly guide for HBO and/or
>Cinemax. As I understood it, the guide covered all of the HBO services
>accessible on satellite including those which reside on T2 (HBO2).
>
>Will someone please e-mail me the name and address of this outfit? (This time I
>promise I won't lose it)
>
>Thanks

I don't know if it was I but here it are:
HBO Subscriptions
P.O. Box 7700
Itasca, Illinois  60143-7700

HBO only $7/yr
HBO/Cmax $10/yr

However, be cautious.  I KNOW they publish a cable TV type guide.  In fact,
you need to specify east or central times.  Whether they publish a guide that
includes either their various satellite feeds and/or their new multiplex stuff
I do not know.  A note to them might find out.

From: wells@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wells)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:54:45 GMT
Subject: Re: VCII video only descrambler
Organization: Zanzor of the CLOUDS
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite

In rec.video.satellite, jerryf@truevision.com (Jerry Fath) writes:

> I fed the inverted video from my receiver into a monitor that accepts external
> sync and added the sync from my VCR.  Darned if a didn't get a picure.  As I
> expected, there was some horizontal roll due to slight timing differences,
> but it would have been functional for cable only(!) events, etc.

For what it is worth... I was wondering if the inverted video (now properly
inverted for watching via baseband into the TV monitor) were to be fed into one
of those little video stabalizer boxes that sell for ~$40 (the ones that say
"WARNING.. DO NOT USE TO DUPLICATE COPYWRITED MATERIAL"), would the horizontal
stabalizer circuit in the box be able to seperate out the sync pulses from
the digital audio noise and actually get things restored?  I have one of the 
boxes but haven't had time to get into my TV and install a video baseband 
connection to the detector circuit.    I actually bought the box so I could
stabilize the signal comming out of the VCR going into the TV and wanted to 
have everything run baseband from the Sat rcvr through the VCR and into the 
TV.

  Otherwise, I'd imagine that all it might require is a couple of 555 timer 
chips and a 3.5 mhz color burst detection circuit to fake out the hori-
zontal sync signal and reinstall it.... 

  Sigh!  Just too many fun things going on and not enough hours in the day!

			John in the Fort

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson)
Subject: Re: C3/C4 Bleedover
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:47:46 GMT

In article <9212181115@ltrnativ.UUCP> adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead) writes:

>On several of G1's transponders I am getting bleedover from C3 or C4 (usually
>the latter).  Now I repeaked everything, tried tuning the video off centre
>and I still get the bleedover sparklies.
>
>I checked with other people's 10' systems (exact same dish), and they aren't
>experiencing any of this.  Could a tree pose this problem?

  I suppose that a tree could weaken the signal some, but it is not the
only thing.  You could also have the dish slightly out of parabolic
shape (particularly since it has been disassembled and reassembled), and
the beam could be not as good as originally, and have sidelobes.

  You could also have the feedpoint not at the correct focal length, which
would result in increased sidelobes.


>Could this problem be remedied by going to a lower degree LNB (currently a 
>45 degree NORSAT), such as a Cal Amp 25 degree unit?

  Probably not.  If the problem is c/n to the receiver, a lower noise
LNB might help, but if the problem is an interfering signal, a lower
noise LNB will get it just as well.


(the flame part follows:)

>Brampton, Ontario                     |             adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP

  This is *NOT* an internet address, and is impossible for many of
us to reply to.  It would help if your system administrator would
come out of the early '80s UUCP era and at least give a compatable
path from a well known host.

	Alan
From: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: REPOST: Satellite Equipment For Sale
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:24:45 EST
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4
X-Mailer: DigiQR 5.38b
Reply-To: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Distribution: world
Organization: The All Ter Nah Tive Un Der Groend

It seems that some people have had trouble reaching my site in reply to
my message I posted a few days back.  If you can't reach my site, then
feel free to call me or you can alternately try and reach me by mailing
to...

       ltrnativ!adammot@uunet.uu.net

I have two pieces of satellite receiving equipment I wish to sell.  Christmas
has crept upon me quickly and caught me short of funds.

EchoStar SRD-4000 Integrated Receiver Descrambler
-------------------------------------------------

This is an excellent unit.  The SRD-4000 comes with built-in positioner,
automatic dish and polarity peaking, programmable Video Noise Reduction (VNR),
and parental supervision by satellite or channel.  An infra-red remote control
accomponies this IRD.  No module, but if you want you can buy below.

Price: $290 (Negotiable)

VideoCipher II Module
---------------------

This is the now infamous VideoCipher II module that fits in stand-alone
VideoCipher descrambler units and all IRD's.  Although the VC II is currently
being phased out in favour of the II+, this unit can provide hours of
experimentation or a great source of parts.

This unit fully works, is unopened and has it's warranty seal intact.

Price: $295 (Negotiable)

If you are interested in either or both of these units leave me e-mail, or
better yet call me (some sites think I don't exist).  These prices are in
U.S. funds.  We can work out shipping.

The prices are negotiable, so if you have a reasonable offer then do not
hesitate to make it.  If you are interested in both these units together, I
will consider lowering the price.

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39 Havelock Drive                     |
Brampton, Ontario                     |             adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP
Canada, L6W 4K8                       |
+1 416 454 8597                       |
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From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Deutsche Welle on Friday/Programme
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:10:38 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

Deutsche Welle Highlights reproduced without permission from Ihre Welle Dec/92
all arrors are mine... all times UTC...

Friday 18.12.92                         Saturday 19:12:92
15:00 Journal (German)                  Journal (Ge)
15:30 Plenum (Ge)                       MOSKITO (Ge)
16:00 Journal (English)                 Journal (En)
16:30 Parchment & Printers Ink          Profile: Bernd Rosemeyer (En)
17:00 Journal (German)                  Journal (Ge)
17:30 Boulevard Deutschland (Ge)        100 Grad (Cont.) (Ge) (Youth Show)
18:30 Deutsche Zeitungen in N.Y. (Ge)   100 Grad
19:00 Journal (Ge)                      Journal (Ge)
19:30 Pallas (Ge)                       LIVING IN AMERICA (Ge)
20:00 Journal (En)----------------------> same
20:30 Berlin,Berlin: V: Bridges (En) ---> VI: Sonwriter Klaus Hoffman
21:00 Journal (Ge) ---------------------> same
21:30 Drehschiebe Europa (Ge)           Plenum
22:00 Journal (Spanish)-----------------> same
22:30 Germanistas en uniforme (Sp)      Otto Lilienthal Profile (Sp)
23:00 Journal (Ger)---------------------> same
23:30 Markt&Geld V: Die Konzentration im Handel VI: Firmenbeteiligung
00:00 Journal (En)--------------------->                      COMPACT: Weekly review
00:30 repeat of 16:30

01:00 repeat of 17:30
02:00 same as 22:00
02:30 Musas & Musica V (sp)
03:00 Journal (Ge)
03:30 D16 (Ge): Laender Magazin
04:00 as 20:00
04:30 as 20:30
05:00 CLOSEDOWN

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: Owen Rubin <rubin@apple.com>
Subject: Re: VCII Video Scrambling
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:06:33 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Dec9.201927.17771@mr.med.ge.com> Larry Landwehr,
larry@ducktales.med.ge.com writes:
>Seriously, you pay for the cable and you are not required to avoid
channels
>that your decoder unscrambles. It's the broadcaster's responsibility to
>properly scramble their channels if they don't want you viewing them - at
>least that's how I'd look at it (pun intened).

My understanding of the law, the above is incorrect.

I believe (and I'm sure someone will correct or better explain it in
detail), but the
new laws make it a crime to receive ANY signal, scrambled or not, not
intended to be
received by you. Of course, how do you prove they did not want you to
receive it? I
would venture a guess that any sort of scrambling on any parts of the
signal would
be enough.

-Owen Rubin-
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: T301 problems
Date: 11 Dec 92 08:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: vidiot.4552
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <z29qst=@lynx.unm.edu> roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers) writes:
<In article <4534@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<>
<>OK, who has the latest information on T301?  Even our local station that has a
<>30ft dish is having sparklie problems with the ST:TNG feeds.  Is T301 moving
<>far enough out of the slot that the dish needs to be constantly realigned?
<
<I think you can blame the ST:TNG problems on Paramount.  I notice
<they seem to "love" to hold back the power on Hard Copy, ET, ST:TNG.
<Other than that, T1 is still one booming satellite at my site (I
<just got the UNIDEN going again the other day --- more in a futre
<(future) "diary" article).

Can't blame it on Paramount.  They don't directly feed the satellite.  They
transmit the information via microwave to Keystone and they put it up there.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: Sandro Ventura <sandrov@sunicar.cern.ch>
Subject: Where may I find the video.satellite FAQ?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A752912DB6020E28@macsandrov.cern.ch>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:29:49 GMT
Organization: CERN
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d14
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:28:13 GMT

The subject says it all!
I'm sure I've read it once, but I can't remember if it's posted once in a
while or if I
ftp'ed from somewhere....   I'm getting older :-)
Thanks!

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: Hispasat 1A Seen in North Carolina
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.193249.19352@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello) writes:
>There's a huge Ku signal from Hispasat 1A right now (Saturday 12/19/92,
>1430 EST) at 31 degrees west; my Drake is seeing it on Channel 25, which
>I figure to be about 12.083 GHz downlink frequencey.  Audio is at 6.60
>MHz. 
>

Yes, it's ch. 25 on my rcvr too and vertical polarity.

>The programming is an NTSC signal from TVE in Spain.  It is the same
>programming as is being shown on Intelsat 603 @ 27.5 degrees West on
>channel 2.  I was so excitied I didn't check polarity, but whatever it
>was, was right.  This is a strong signal, just as strong as the D2-MAC
>signal on Intelsat K.
>

TVE INTERNACIONAL is the channel but i dearly hope they show
some domestic programs from Spain (i.e., football :-) ).

>I'm taping something right now and can't check audio subcarriers, but
>I'll post that info ASAP.  

I got that channel tonight too and the video is very good, with no sparklies
in sight! I'm have a 3ft offset dish and 1.1 Drake lnb. I'm in Washington DC.

I couldn't find the audio though.

Too bad BSkyB doesn't beam its football matches this way because this 
Hispasat is at the same spot the BskyB sat is located.

Can't wait to see Spanish league football tommorow and European cup footie
in the coming weeks!!! :-)))

-Dave

USA'94 !!!
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: Owen Rubin <rubin@apple.com>
Subject: Re: G7 Lit up!!!!
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:27:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <629qvcb@lynx.unm.edu> Robert Smathers, roberts@triton.unm.edu
writes:
>G7 is Horizontal Odd polarity (I set up the polarity as best as
>I could on the G7 colorbar.  It matches up with G3 and G6 xponder
>19 perfectly.

OK, I tried this last night and today. I searched between the two
satellites (G3
and S3) and found nothing on any transponder. Is this bird still lit up?
Anybody
check lately? (This is 12/16/92).
Thanks
-Owen Rubin-
rubin@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: gilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kevin Gilmore)
Subject: KGAY?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:38:38 GMT

What happened to KGAY. No longer seems to be on the air, and they
do not answer their 800 line. I kind of wondered how they were doing
this with no advertising. Was kind of humourous when it was on, it
reminded me of the "Den Pals" back in 1977 on what is now WLUP???
	....kg....

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:42:00 PST
From:         Vijay Vaidyanathan <zycad!yoda!vijay@SUN.COM>
Subject:      Cricket Returns! kinda....
              17 Dec 1992 21:39:05 GMT <9212180001.AA27106@Sun.COM>

> Fellow Netters (& Vijay  :->)
Hi! :-}

> Benson & Hedges World Series of Cricket was on from 1900-2300 PST
> last night, G6/20. Picture quality was weak but better than the
> last time I viewed.
Yes, I did notice that the quality was better than the last time,
but I attributed that to it being a colder night that usual!
Perhaps they did up the poer on one of the hops ...

> That's the good news. The bad news was that the transponder went
> down at 2300 SHARP! W.I. didn't even finish their bats, even though
> they were in the final over. Needless to say, I didn't get to see
> Pakistan bat.

Sure did. However, it came back on later (perhaps 30 min to an
hr?).

> Anybody (Hello Vijay...) know what the outcome was? Last I saw it
> was Australia 8/240 (approx), and Des Howard had just been run
> out after a stellar 96.

WI won effortlessly. The first hour of the match was disastrous
for Pak and they were all out for an embarrasing total (I dont
recall, but when I gave up they were 66 for 8!).

> Also, there looks to be a full test match starting on Boxing Day (the
> day after Christmas) that the W.I. team will be involved in. Start
> looking on G6/20 about 1900 PST. I think it's between W.I. and
> Pakistan (could be wrong). Clarification: look about 1900 on
> Christmas Day, since Australia is a day ahead of the US.

Yes, its a 5 day test (yes, it really is five days, for the
cricket uninitiated). I'll try and get the rest of the details and
post if there is interest.

> Will post more if I get more match details.

Or just send me mail and I'll summarize, I cant imagine there
being immense interest on HOMESAT.

> Brad
> clark@brahms.amd.com

- Vijay
--------
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: gilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kevin Gilmore)
Subject: vc2's in canada
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:35:59 GMT

I recently talked to my sister in winnepeg. She has an older sattelite
system with an oak orion. She said that the oak orion is being turned
off, and that everyone is going to vc2rs. She is getting her vc2rs from
a local supplier, and the price of the programming is going down. Mininum
of 15 C$ a month to a max of 45C$ a month. Some usa services are available
some are not. Question is this, are the canadian services on the same
GI data stream as in the USA. If so i could get subscription services
via her address (global is quite cheap), and not have to alternate betwen
usa data services and canada data services. By the way vc2rs in canada
is running between 500 and 750 C$. Are vc2 services in canada gonna expand

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:03:35 MEZ
From:         "Wolfgang R. Schulz" <wrs@MCSHH.HANSE.DE>
Subject:      ASTRA

NEW on ASTRA today: 2 programs from Spain, so far unscrambled:
Transponder 30: Cinemania
Transponder 32: Documania
Since 12.00 UTC today (sunday 12/20) both channels run promos.
Too bad I don't understand Spanish good enough!
Wolfgang

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: C3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: flash@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Gary Bourgois,Hamshack)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:22:56 EST
Organization: Great White North/UPLink

All I can say is WOW!  

I don't know if you watched the actual fascinating swap (Robert will post it
all, so I won't repeat it here) BUT what a DIFFERENCE.

G1 was in the trees, and EVERY single transponder was noisy.  In summer it
does not exist, but in winter, with TI/N I could get a very snowy and noisy
signal from CourtTV and the rest.

Well I am amazed!  

COURT-TV and CSPAN are both PERFECT.  The BBC audio is much cleaner than it
was on G3.  TLC is perfect, and I would bet if I had one of those VC thingies
I could actually get it to AUTHORIZE.

Now what remains to be seen is what happens when the LEAVES pop out.  Thank
goodness spring and summer combined last only 2 and a half months long here...

I am very happy, as I now have a new bird to watch!

C3 is stronger than C4 by several magnitudes (no surprise there... The
further west and closer to the horizon you get, the WORSE the pictures get)

Did anyone notice such a FANTASTIC improvement?  I would not think 3db would
make such a difference.


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