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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: House Closing
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:26:51 GMT

In article <ostubble.715531843@uclagsm> ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III) writes:
>
>Anyone in the bay area miss L&L Castle (SF) and Golden Gate (El Cerrito)?
>

Wow! Are you a mind-reader??? "Gate" was one of my favorite houses!  I
first bowled there about 10-12 years ago, in a tournament, and in the
first set I ever shot there, I shot 300 (780-something).  So "Gate" will
always be fond memory for me.  When I decided to return to UC Berkeley, 
I got a place to live in El Cerrito, and found out that the rumors I
heard were true -- Golden Gate Lanes would be closing.  So, I got in
my last few practice games, watched them lock the doors; and today, on
the corner of San Pablo Avenue and Hill is a Target department store.
Damn...Albany's still there, though...

I only got to bowl at L&L Castle a few times -- good center, but even
better for the advancement of bowling, with the late Pete Lusich and
the great junior program he organized. 

The Bay Area doesn't seem to be losing as many centers as LA, but
there still are few new ones popping up as well.  I think the South
Bay -- San Jose, Santa Clara... -- is losing more centers than either
the East Bay or the peninsula.
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Shit! I've REALLY done it now!
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Well guys (opps and ladies who may be reading)....

During a drunken brain fart, I agreed to drive a go-cart
down in Nags Head with a bunch of friends during
a vacation recently.  To make a long story short,
the linkage was faultly and in the ensuing fight
to avoid an approaching brick wall, I tore my 
rotator cup, not to mention several muscles
in my forearm (yes my BOWLING ARM!).  Winter
leagues START IN ONE WEEK!.  I have a tournament
in Roanoke in two weeks and my arm still
hurts like hell.  I went to the doctor and she
(yes it was a she, cute too! ;-)  ) said that it would
take 4-6 _weeks_ to completely heal up.  Well
it's been about 3 weeks now and I tried bowling
yesterday, I got through about 3 games before
I lost all strength in my arm.  THIS IS NOT GOOD.
I have to bowl 8 game blocks in the tournament
(league should be ok since I rest between
frames and it's only three games).  I could see
my game drop drastically as I started to lose
control (244,232,218,204,193,175,164).  My
question is, anyone know how _long_ I can 
expect my rotator cup to heal?  I know torn
muscles usually take a long time but damn
it couldn't have happened at a worst time!
Sorry if this sounds like whining but DAMN!
Maybe I should take this to alt.bowling.injured.whining....

:-(
-Aki
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Reconditioning urethane balls
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In article <1992Sep2.234121.14918@hspice.portal.com> Greg Widdicombe, gregw@hspice.portal.com
writes:
>I thought I read (here?) somewhere a technique where you stick
>a broom handle into the thumb hole of the ball, stick the other
>end of the handle (shortened and somehow thinned) into a drill,
>then spin the ball and sand away.
>

Personally, I've never heard of this "technique", it would be
interesting to see if it works.  There would have to be some
serious torque to keep that ball spinning while you are
sanding it.  Sounds wierd enough to work.  Let us know if
you try it out and it works.  (maybe a nail driven into the
end of the broom handle to insert into the drill?).

-aki
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Bowling Honor Roll
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:06:33 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

sounds like a good idea.... being a fisherman it might be hard to not 
stretch the story a bit though  :-)


of course I jest!  fisherman never stretch the truth!!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Leaving 10 pins
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In article <pierce-310892133736@skipper.bmbcb.nwu.edu> Dave Dalke,
pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>	In a previous post, AKI, was discussing the benefits of carrying a PBA
>card and touched on the fact that many sponsors will pay bowlers to
>advertise for them by wearing their clothes and using their equipment. 
I'm
>curious as to whether or not these sponsorships are available to regional
>pros.  How difficult is it to  obtain these sponsorships, and what kind
of
>money are we talking about?
>	Any information would be appreciated.
>

most sponsors usually go for the "big" names (e.g. Pete Weber etc etc
etc),
but even for regional pros you can usually get a sponsor.  I've had
several
potential sponsors right from local businesses.  Especially if you happen
to know the owner personally.  Watch out though, the reason I opted to
NOT go with a sponsor is that generally they want a cut of the pie (e.g. 
40-50% sometimes more).  The agreement is usually for X number of
years.  It's great to offset costs when you first start, but if/when
you really start making some money, you have a contract with a sponsor
you can't get out of and they are gouging you, and eating up most of
your profits.  If you can stick with regional tourneys near where you
live you're probably better off just paying for yourself and writing
it off on your taxes as a business expense.
-aki
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: PBA Card
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:34:35 GMT

In article <pierce-280892082947@skipper.bmbcb.nwu.edu> Dave Dalke,
pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>> 	What type of lane condition do you consider to be tough (or
>> 	easy)?

At the risk of sounding snobbish (believe me, I'm not that kinda guy :-)
), I AM a PBA member, and yes I have seen alot of Pro-bowlers that are
not as good as they
should be.  Several reasons are: (1) the requirements to enter the PBA
are too
lax ,. (2) alot of the bowlers have been and continue to be "House
Bowlers" and
last (but certainly not least (3) they meet the minimum requirements and
just
want to be able to say "I'm a Pro Bowler".

Personally,  (IHMO) bashing pro bowlers (which I kinda feel was hinted
at) is not fair.
There are ALOT of PBA members that work hard, love their sport and feel
that
getting a PBA card is the accomplishment of a life long goal.   They use
the status
of a being a professional not only to bowl more competatively but also
because
alot of people will listen to someone with a PBA card for lessons than
someone
who doesn't.  If that's what necessary to help promote the sport and get
more
people interested into the sport then I'm all for it.

I joined for several reasons, I wanted to bowl in more competetive events
where
there was more money involved, achieve a life long goal (how many people
can
actually SAY they are a professional in ANY sport they love?) and being an
avid bowling instructor I felt the students felt more comfortable being
taught
by a pro.

I loved bowling ever since I picked up my first 8 lb house ball at the
tender age of 7.
I am sometimes frustrated at some of the attitudes of the younger PBA
members
who do nothing but bitch and moan about the lane conditions and refuse to
adjust.  This is a bad reflection upon the PBA and the entire bowling
industry.  No
I don't always bowl well, and yes I have been soundly beaten by
non-members
hell it happens, it keeps me humble! :-) .  The "marginal" PBA members
seldom
remain a member for long, they try out a couple of tournaments and get
wiped
out, get frustrated and decide to go back where their "mediocre" averages
look impressive to their friends.  What can we do?  The entry
requirements into
the PBA have been hotly contested within the PBA for years, but until the
board
actually DOES something, the caliber of people who join will always be
questionable.

huh? what?  OH LANE CONDITIONS?  Damn!  Well then never mind...

BTW I hate them all, but personally I like oily conditions best, why? 
because you will ALWAYS know what the balls NOT going to do!  No
guesswork involved! Ha ha...
-aki
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: just curious...
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In article <180pccINNou3@agate.berkeley.edu> Mark Fujimoto,
mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
>Maybe your definition of "clone" is different from mine, but the BUD
>II and the U2 are definitely not the same, physically, at least.  The
>U2 has a sort of "bullet"-shaped core/block, while the BUD II
>core/block is the new-standard "light-bulb"-shaped block, plus an
>extra weight piece at the "screw-in" end of the block, i.e., closer to
>the surface. 
You're right the weight blocks are different,the BUD II and the U2
ARE different in the weight block setup.  What I _should_ of said
was that the action of the balls are very similiar. I know of alot
of people who own both balls and see no difference in the reaction
of the balls.  My experience with both of the balls reflect the
same opinion.  This does not mean either ball is _bad_ (I like
both) but it doesn't seem to make much difference which one
you buy, they both seem to act about the same.

***************************************
-Aki                                     
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
****************************************
"How come the best ball for me is always the
one I don't own?"
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Lane Conditions
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In article <MGG.92Aug28090550@corgie.ece.cmu.edu> Martin Greenberg,
mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu writes:
>One of the houses in the 'burbs of Pittsburgh just redid all their
>lanes in preparation for a tournament they were holding. For the next
>few weeks, the lane conditions varied widely but there was one setup
>that drove me and an acquaintance of mine (who's in the regional PBA
>with a 215 ave.) nuts. The lane oil pattern was a reverse block with
>the oiled sections EXTREMELY oily. Neither of us came close to our
>averages (FYI mine at that house was around 185) and he bowled well
>into the night trying.

If there's one lane condition that I personally despise more than any
other
it's GOT to be the reverse block.  The only way you can get the house to
change their oiling conditions is to have a LARGE number of people
complain
to the management.  A reverse block condition is not normal or fun to
bowl in unless you are a very powerful cranker  (with LOTS of side-weight)
that can muscle the ball back in.  The rest of us have to endure a ball
that
if thrown outside never comes back or if thrown inside slams the 7 pin all
night long. 
And they wonder why there aren't as many people bowling anymore..
go figure..
-aki
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Lane Conditions (was Re: PBA Card)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:58:16 GMT
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Summary: opinions

In article <1992Aug27.151049.10523@intelhf.hf.intel.com> labelle@intelhf.hf.intel.com (George La Belle) writes:
>
>	A lot of people who average 190 think they are pretty good, 'till
>	they join the PBA and have to bowl on tough lane conditions - then
>	they find out the ugly truth!
>

All serious bowlers have heard the "PBA lane conditions are tough"
line before.  True, normal house conditions are considerably easier to
score on, so I'll pose this question to a.s.bowling readers:

	What type of lane condition do you consider to be tough (or
	easy)?

I don't consider the offset-Christmas Tree pattern used by the PBA in
some events to be particularly difficult.  The ABC tournament has a
reasonably fair shot, depending on the year, it seems!  Short Oil -- a
joke! System of Bowling -- a better joke!  Roy Hoernke's 20-board fall
back -- heaven!

So we all have different likes and dislikes.  I think it would be
interesting to hear what kind of conditions bowlers around the world
(like to/not like to) bowl on....
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Leaving 10 pins
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:06:11 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

gregw@.hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe) writes:

> Now my dilemma.
> 
> I left four solid 10 pins that game, I mean *really* solid 10's,
> with the 6(?) pin flying over the neck of the 10.  How should
> I adjust to carry the 10 pin?  Was it just bad luck, or should
> I have tried to change the angle into the pocket?

I can sympathize....  The last night of our Summer Couples league I was
slamming the pocket,  a real nice shot for me and the Sumo...  But in 
3 games I left 14 10-pins.  Not a pretty sight (nor was my attitude).
Something was definetly wrong since I was hitting the pocket very well.
One thought was that the pin setter was not placing the 10 pin in the proper
spot (it was hard to tell)...  hopefully this will not occur when Winter
League starts soon....

Hey aki,  keep posting, I have enjoyed your posts alot and you have helped 
pick this newsgroup's activity level up quite a bit.  I agree with you that
the Sumo is unpredictable, but it is a good ball (normally  :-) )

Dave "I really hate 10-pins" Fleck
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Bowling Honor Roll
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In article <1992Sep3.180633.26308@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>of course I jest!  fisherman never stretch the truth!!
                                                                         
^^^^^^^^

heh heh..don't you mean FISH....

-aki
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
****************************
"How come the best ball for me
is always the one I don't own?"
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dave Dalke)
Subject: Re: New bowling balls...
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.130204.8927@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@atlas.worldbank.org> wrote:
> 
> In article <pierce-010992074523@skipper.bmbcb.nwu.edu> Dave Dalke,
> pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes:
> >	Please do!  That's a nice offer, especially in light of the fact that
> >these new weapons run upwards of $125 in the local pro shops.
>  Sorry, haven't heard anything about the new Weapons, if they
> are already out on the market then they are not available through
> the factory.  We usually get the notices for new balls about
> 4 months or so before they get to the pro shops..I'll keep an eye
> out though..
> 
> -Aki


	Oops, poor choice of words.  I meant "weapons" as in equipment, not
Weapons as in the brand name.


Dave Dalke
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL

pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: re houseclosing...
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The house you mentioned sounded awful.  The managment should be taken
out back and shot!  It's _just_ that kind of house that gives bowling a
bad name.  Usually it's NOT the bowlers that give the impression that
bowling is a "redneck" sport but the houses that portray that kind of
image.  The ABC should take a more active role in trying to force "junk"
houses like that to clean up their act or not get sanctioned.  This really
pisses me off.  I agree on the TV image also.  It's very rare when you
see a TV show that relfects a positive image of bowling.  It's probably
because of the stupid pin head mentality of the producers (that probably
have never even SEEN the inside of a bowling alley much less bowled).
One of the major goals of the PBA/ABC has been to dispel this myth of
the bluecollar sport that bowling hasn't been able to shake.  It makes
that job ALOT harder when trash houses like the one you mentioned
refuse to clean up their act.

-aki
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-Mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
*********************************
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: BUD II's roots...
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I don't know how many people know how the BUD II came to be
but I find it an interesting story and thought you might be
interested.

The BUD II originally started out as the BUD (remember that
ball with the hideous budweiser bow tie emblem on it?).

The PBA would not approve it for tournament play because
of the Budweiser logo on it (the PBA will not allow endosements
of products name on a manufacturers ball because it would
not look good bowling a BUD in a Millier Lite Classic for
example).  

The company that made the BUD (the name eludes me right now),
threw a hell of a lawsuit against the PBA.  The PBA in turn
spend MILLIONS in court cost fighting the battle which lasted
over two years.  In the end, the courts sided with the PBA and
the company lost the suit.  So...the company asked what they
could do to get their ball approved for tournament play.  The
PBA said all they had to do was remove the bow tie and any
references to Budweiser on the ball and they would approve it.

Hence the BUD II, no bowtie logo (it's not even RED anymore), they
took the same ball (weight block and all) changed the label and
resold it as the BUD II.  It was immediately approved for tournament
play by the PBA

...and now you know the rest of the story....

***************************************
-Aki                                     
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: just curious...
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:36:14 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep1.180836.12130@worldbank.org> aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>From: aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki)
>Subject: just curious...
>Date: 1 Sep 92 18:08:36 GMT
>
>I'm just curious..I'm wondering what are the popular balls in your
>area..
>
>In this area the most popular balls are (not in particuliar order):
... deleted
>-Aki

Aki

Seems like in Western PA things are a bit shuffled from you.

In this order I have seen:

Hammer (Dull blue and red)
Rhino
(note: these two make up about 80 percent of what I see)

see a few Phantoms here and there and a few U-dots, and ONE xcalibur, same 
guy has a purple Nitro

have never seen a Rhino pro, Shark, or Bud II

Hope your arm heals soon!

TTFN

Walter
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: just curious...
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:03:56 GMT
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In article <1992Sep1.180836.12130@worldbank.org> aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>I'm just curious..I'm wondering what are the popular balls in your
>area..

In both LA and the Bay Area, the most popular equipment lines seem 
to be Fab -- Blue and Purple Hammers; Ebonite -- Blue Nitro, Black
Turbo; tacky urethanes -- Rhino Pro, X-Calibur pearl, HSP Teal Storm;
Columbia -- Black U-dot, U2...

>
>In this area the most popular balls are (not in particuliar order):
>
>The Rhino Pro (both black and purple)

Not as much demand for the black one here. Yet...

>Black Sumo (the favorite it seems)
>Black Phantom (although dying out fast)

The Black Sumo seemed to be sunk out here ever since AMF put out that
silly commercial! %^)  Drilling the Phantom #5 gave it a little new
life, but there's too many new balls coming out for people to figure
out how to get a Phantom to work. 

>BUD II (U2 clone)

Maybe your definition of "clone" is different from mine, but the BUD
II and the U2 are definitely not the same, physically, at least.  The
U2 has a sort of "bullet"-shaped core/block, while the BUD II
core/block is the new-standard "light-bulb"-shaped block, plus an
extra weight piece at the "screw-in" end of the block, i.e., closer to
the surface. 

I notice that our lists are fairly similar, and I really don't think 
the centers out here are oily at all.  I still believe that many people 
buy for want and not for need.  In your case, I'll take your word for
it that centers in your area are oily, thus purchasing equipment like 
those listed is smart shopping.  But out here, many people complain
about how their new 220-sanded urethane is hooking too much, too early, 
or hitting flat -- this new ball sucks, they claim. Oh well, off to 
more flea markets in search of the perfect Manhattan...