HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: radar
Keywords: Experience with lowcost Radar
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:07:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr13.230751.21601
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:


I realize it's poor form to follow up your own post but I saw a bad
error ....

>One problem with radar is that it tends to show a lot of spurious stuff.
>You have to watch it for a minute or so to get a real idea of what's out
>there.  Also, targets are not shown in proportion to how well they 
                           ^^^

(delete this not!)  

>reflect radio waves.  This means a small boat witha a radar reflector
>can really light up while another one without the reflector may never
>show at all.  So you still have to watch and listen carefully.

What I mean to say is that physical size has less to do with reflectivity
than material, geometry nad elevation.

cheers,
-gb-
From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: AC Update; quick summary of races on Weds 4/8
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:14:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Howdy!
	A quick summary of yesterday's races (doing it backwards -- copy
of stuff I sent to YACHT-L):

	Defenders:
		A^3, with lightened underbody and in light winds, stepped out
on S&S right from the start.  A^3, helmed by Melges with Koch onshore for 
today's race, won the start by :04 and led at every mark.  At one point on the 
first windward leg Conner drove up on A^3 and forced Melges to tack away, but
A^3 footed faster and pointed higher in the light winds.  Seemed like Melges
could do just about anything he wanted with A^3 and still stay ahead of S&S.
A^3 sailed a great race, the only weakness was during a tacking duel on the
first (?) windward leg where Conner appeared to get the best of Melges.  They
wound up way out on the port layline and DC couldn't capitalize on this
advantage.  Conner didn't press another duel on subsequent windward legs.
A^3 won by 2:08.  Points:  Kanza=5, S&S=4, A^3=2.
		  Today:   Kanza v A^3

	Challengers:
		Japan, already out of the finals, came from behind to beat
Italy by 1:53.  NewZealand routed France by 3:30.  This eliminates France
and sends NewZealand and Italy to the LV Finals.  Today's LV race is 
actually a preview of the finals:  NZ v Italy; with a consolation race
of Japan v France.

	Best-of-13 Defender finals begin Sat 4/18 (all 3 boats still 
			mathematically eligible for the finals)
	Best-of-9 Challenger finals begin Sun 4/19 (NZ v Italy)

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
************************ standard disclaimer applies ************************
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Referance to Navy trash dumping
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:34:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.boats, paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:

     That's a bunch of male bovine feces.

Thank you for not using my initials.  Most people are not so
considerate.

Brian Smith
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: America's cup on-board camera operation
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 00:03:53 GMT

In article <17467.29e5be84@ecs.umass.edu> jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>I've been getting racing fever from watching the AC races.
>I was wondering if someone "in the know" can comment on how
>the on-board cameras work.  They seem to be pretty good at
>tilting and rotating to keep the horizon fairly level.
>
>Jonathan Welch  VAX Systems Programmer  Umass/Amherst  jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu


My impression is that the cameras are rigidly attached, except for
the (slow) tilt and pan. It's the helicopter cameras that have the
elaborate stabilization mechanism. My gripe is that the director uses
onboard shots at exactly the wrong times: during close encounters,
tricky mark roundings, pre-start maneuvers, etc. Presumably, he's
trying to get the crew's reactions, but these guys are pros and all
they do is grind away as usual. Meanwhile, the viewer can't figure out
what's going on because the "big picture" isn't being shown. All in
all, though, we are very lucky to get this kind of coverage of a 
non-mainstream sport.


Stefan Michalowski
stefan@sunrise.stanford.edu
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:25:15 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon) writes:
>In article <50700014@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
>writes:
>> on the aircraft carrier Nimitz. They seperated glass and plastic and
>> only dumped offshore. I mean offshore, way out there mon! An A1 group
>> of sailors.
>                                      There's nothing more REVOLTING
>than to be out there and see trash floating by. Yea A1 alright, anyone
>who dumps trash in the ocean is an A #1 ASSHOLE.

    Perhaps that is why the Navy is retrofitting its ships with plastic
trash compacters, and designing spaces into the new ones for storing 
the trash.  (The old ones were designed long ago, before offshore dumping
was considered a big deal.)
    Do you see much crushed glass floating by?  Or crushed cans? The 
Navy now dumps only sinking trash into the ocean. It has stopped, or 
will stop very soon, dumping plastic. If you saw plastic it was either 
very old, from a commercial vessel, or a municipal offshore dumping barge.
    The U. S. Navy is a world leader in environmental research for ships
and shipping.  IMHO there are three powerful forces driving this research:

    1) Virtually all Navy personel love the ocean.  They want to keep
it clean and healthy if there are no overriding tactical considerations.
The higher you go in the chain of command the stronger this affection
becomes.

    2) New sensors may (will) make "leaving no trail" a tactical consideration.

    3) Funding depends partially on goodwill.  Being a good neighbor
promotes goodwill.

Tim Smith

Disclamer: These are personal opinions in no way endorsed by my employer,
a research lab under U.S. Navy administration.
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: America's Cup items
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:29:37 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc

Bill Koch has chosen the boat America^3 as his entry in the defender 
finals.  Surprise, surprise... NOT!

From Tom Blair's column (an "item" columnist a la San Francisco's Herb 
Caen, but not as good) in today's San Diego Union-Tribune:

Few would debate skipper Dennis Conner's fierce competitiveness on the 
water.  But the wily yachtsman is plenty fierce on land, too.  The story 
making the rounds among America's Cuppers this week:  Conner was out 
walking his dog, Buddy, at dawn the other morning when a neighbor Labrador 
named Black Bart attached Buddy.  Dennis, the story goes, waded into the 
fray and separated the dogs.  Alas, Buddy suffered some injuries.  But 
Dennis apparently gave as good as Buddy got.  Black Bart, witnesses say, 
suffered a nasty bite on the ear.  The teeth marks, they say, are 
Conner's.  And the legend grows.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: billa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Arnold)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:14:18 GMT
Subject: Re: BVI IN JULY, INFO WANTED
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Concerning the post on sailing in the BVI and anchorages, the previous
response was good.  Also, I like the anchorages and visiting The Bitter
End on Virgin Gorda, "The Bight" on Norman Island, Cane Garden on the 
West side of Tortola, and (of course) one needs to spend a day snorkeling 
around The Baths on Virgin Gorda.  It's very nice to spend an anchorage
at Little Jost Van Dyke.  The recommended trip to Saint John is good.
I stay away from the other American Virgin Islands.

Sailing is great in July.  Just the right winds.  Generally, the weather,
which is always good, is great during July.

Have a great time.  I'm getting ill just working and thinking about the
BVI, one of the great spots in the world.

Bill Arnold
billa@hpfcma.fc.hp.com
"No guarantees."
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Spring Work
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:38:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>>shaft, and the key, with Never-Seez.  I guarantee an easier removal next
>>time.  
>
>This is *great* advice.  It applies not only to the coupling/shaft connection
>but to the coupling bolts as well.  In fact, it is good mechanical practice
>to use either never-seize or thread adhesive like loctite on all fasteners.
>On aluminum spars this makes all the difference with steel fasteners, without
>it the aluminum will elctrolyze and immobilize the fastener within a few
>years at most.

Re: never-seez and loctite, Is the above statement really what
was intended?  These two products perform essentially opposite
tasks;  never-seez makes it soe the bolt will come out again,
loctite makes it so the bolt may never come out again.  I hae
(ahem) have seen steel bolts loctite'd into aluminum (it was a
motorcycle engine) that when remoeved, the aluminum threads
came out with the steel bolt.  This was not pleasant.  When
you loctite something together (with "red" grade) be sure that
you really want it together forever.

The "blue" or "green" grade is a different story.  These may
work as intended above. 

-rickf
From: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: O'Day Mariner 19'
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:49:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Apr15.144947.9680
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Organization: Michigan State University

Any owners thoughts on the O'Day Mariner 19' by e-mail or post 
apprecaited for one considering the purchase of same for use
on the Cheasapeake Bay. Thanx...
From: Sentinel@cup.portal.com (Alan M Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: America's Cup Update
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:35:53 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Time 1530 (pdt):

Kanza (Melges) defeats Stars & Stripes (Conner)

France & Italy restart race after committee makes bad call at start.  Race to
 restart soon.

Japan & New Zealand in a close race; New Zealand now ahead after Japan held
lead for most of the race.  Japan may be mathematically out of the Challenger
Finals if she loses today.
From: jstand@mcnc.org (John K. Standish)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: radar
Keywords: Experience with lowcost Radar
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:00:45 GMT
Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC

Very often I find myself navigating at night offshore in the `graveyard
of the Atlantic', sometimes on purpose but usually the weather drives me
back to port, with only my Loran/Compass, and extremely limited vision
spotting the lighted buoys.  The cure is obvious, I need RADAR, and 
with a 30 ft boat I really don't need a 4-5 Kw open array Furuno.

I would like to know if anyone has experience with the less expensive
dome style Apelco or Raytheon (< $2000.00)) with 16 - 24 mile range.

My biggest concern is the ability to navigate a channel at night and 
discernabilty of objects (buoys, oncoming vessels, ect) and effect of
clarity by rain.   

(ie. I'd rather buy a high quality 16 mile range than a poor quality
24 mile system--- or find out `straight-away' if I am nuts to settle
for less than the best)

Please advise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Subject: Re: scanned pictures of sailing boats wanted
Reply-To: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.163311.9846@rice.edu>, karim@cs.rice.edu (Karim Esseghir) writes:
>
>I've been looking for xv viewable pictures of sailing boats in different ftp sites without success. If you are in possession of such pictures, could you please email them to me? Better yet, if you know of a general public access ftp site that has them, would you please send me their address? 
>
>I can view gif, jpg, jpeg files without problems, I don't know about other formats.
>
>Thanks.
>
>-- Karim --
>
>P.S. I also thank all those who kindly replied to my request regarding AC's TV coverage.
>-- 
>_______________
>Karim Esseghir					     


Wuarchive.wustl.edu has a few in graphics/gif/b, via anonymous FTP.

- Mike
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:42:25 GMT
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Apr9.215546.5203@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>In article <ku9am2INNfrq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
>>
>>  "The amount of oil dumped by the Exxon Valdez is spilled every two weeks
>>   by do-it-yourself auto mechanics who change their own oil, then pour the
>>   used oil down the sewer.  That is roughly 240 million gallons a year, or
>>   enough fuel to heat every home in Portland, Oregon."
>>                                           - American Pertoleum Institute -
>
>This statistic sounds suspect to me. At one car for every man, woman and child
>in the US (approximately) we have about 240 million cars. Each goes about 12000
>miles per year, which is 2 or 3 oil changes, of 1 gallon each. That makes
>(overestimating by a bit) 3 * 240 million gallons of auto oil used per year. 
>Does this mean that the Petr. Inst. thinks that *one third* of all oil changes
>are done by home mechanics who dump the stuff down the sewer? Seems
>implausible to me. But then, so do many statistics....
>

It doesn't say _US_ do-it-yourselfers, this is worldwide.  Makes it a bit more
plausible.

Dudley
.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: freeman@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jay Freeman)
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:48:25 GMT

As a former USN officer, I've followed this thread with some interest. Current
USN policy is retain ALL trash on board for cruises of less than 3 days. 
Several people have pointed out that trash compaction could be used. While i
suppose this is true (if the government, which is already broke, could find
even more money), the main problem with keeping trash on board is a health
problem caused by rotting garbage.  Bacteria, flies, and other pests breed
insatiably in food waste. So while it may be feasable to compact plain paper
waste, food waste would still have to be dumped. Since it is biodegradeable,
that is not a problem.
	Also, Navy policy now forbids the dumping of plastics at sea, except
for plastic which is contaminated food waste, i.e little ketchup bags etc.
There is also a move to eliminate the use of such things.

-- 
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* 73 de Jay, WT9S     Internet: freeman@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                *
*                     Packet:   wt9s@w9yci.il.usa.na                    *
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From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Kanza v. Stars & Stripes (Spoiler)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:43 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

(william sadler) writes:
>Stars & Stripes wins by 2:12.  This means a Conner v. Koch
>Defender final.  Tom Whidden made a great tactical call on the
>first upwind leg.  
>
>Now to see which boat A^3 will use and what skipper....
>

I'de put my money on A3. Kanza just doesn't seem to be a good boat for
changing conditions (or Koch isn't letting us see that). Will Koch
even be on the boat during the defender finals?
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: America's Cup Results for April 2, 1992
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:16:43 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

In article <1992Apr4.193539.22836@klaava.Helsinki.FI> 
tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
> Bill Walker wrote:
> >Paris bow was punctured by the collision, and the French sailed the 
race 
> >with as much as 100 gallons of water in the boat.  But the on-the-water 
> >referees held Ville de Paris in the wrong for the collision and the 
> >270-degree penalty turn made by the French after the start coupled with 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >the broken bow and extra water essentially killed Ville's chances.  
Nippon 
> >led by 1:09 at the first mark and slowly but steadily pulled away in 
the 
> >perfect conditions.  If the rudder hadn't borken when Nippon was 
leading 
> >Ville de Paris on Wednesday, Nippon would be tied for second in the 
> >semifinals.
> 
> 
> For how long must one follow the course perpendicular to the proper
> course to be exonerated? :-).

I don't know, but I've seen these on ESPN.  It really is a 270 degree 
turn, NOT a 720 as I think your smiley implies (although they also give 
720 penalties sometimes).  It doesn't appear that there's anything that 
says how long they have to stay on the new tack, but I confess I'm totally 
ignorant of racing rules.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: marc@watson.ibm.com (Marc Auslander)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Personal Floatation Devices
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:38:01 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, Hawthorne, New York
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

I use a suspenders type inflatable.  Not CG approved - but you can
wear it all day, even when its warm, without being bothered.  I would
think any standard jacket would eventually become enough of a bother
to prompt you to remove it.  Rememeber, after a while you will learn
that 26 foot cruisers don't capsize and people don't fall off.  (Of
course they do, but not often enough for you to keep believing it).

I also use a harness when I leave the cockpit in rough conditions, and
even in the cockpit at night.

--


Marc Auslander       (IBM)<marc@marc.watson.ibm.com>      914 784-6699
                     (Internet)<marc@watson.ibm.com>
From: BWilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Forestay:  tight or loose for point?
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:38:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland

OK, I'm going to look REAL ignorant, here, but please bear with me.

I crew for a relatively new racer, just standard Wednesday night stuff.  He has
a very nice 26-foot racing sloop with a bendy mast, and we have run into the
following incredible (to me) controversy:  for the best point (= the best speed
to windward) in light to moderate air (5-10 kn), do we want the forestay tight
or loose?  Secondly, how should we get the proper tension?  The boat has a
masthead rig, so tensioning the backstay presumably tightens the forestay, but
of course it also bends the mast and therefore pulls the luff of the main
forward, flattening the sail and depowering it a bit.  Is there a good rule of
thumb here for how tight to make it?

What has me REALLY puzzled is that different people in our racing club give
OPPOSITE answers to the fundamental question!!! Some (particularly J-24
sailors, so the comparision isn't direct because of the fractional rig) say a
loose forestay is better, some say a tight one, and there is also lots of
controversy about jib luff tension -- at least I have some idea of how to
adjust that on the fly by looking at the draft position.

What's a good book for this kind of stuff?  I've read "Sail Power," which
everyone tells me is the classic on sail shape, but to my distress it's
completely silent about stay tension.

					Bill Williams
					St. Mary's College of Maryland
Xref: sparky rec.boats:2767 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted:3131
From: andrew@deakin.OZ.AU (Andrew Cerasuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.boats,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Subject: Wanted: Handicapping/race results program for yacht racing.
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:58:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Faculty of Science Workshop, Deakin Uni, AUSTRALIA.

Has anyone seen or written any shareware/pd software for calculating handicaps 
and race results for yacht races.

Has to be able to allow input for : sail no's,times,skipper & or crew ,CBH.

Any help would be appreciated, if enough interest summaries will posted to net.
Ciao.
--
Andrew Cerasuolo               The above comments are mine solely and not that
Faculty of Science Workshop    of Deakin University.
Deakin University
Vic 3217, Australia            andrew@deakin.OZ.AU
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: King's Island
    <1992Apr8.191242.15736@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:29:38 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr8.191242.15736@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
asimeone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (antonio simeone) writes:

>
>In article <1992Apr8.084437.1057@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> rettigca@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wrtes:
>>And Skylab may be shut down for good now as well....
>>
>why is skylab going to be shut down?  i always thought it was kind of a
>fun ride.

I love skylab.  OK, it's not the greatest ride in the world, but it's one
of my favorite non-coaster rides at KI.  Why?  Well, I hope it isn't but
apparently they have had some problems with it.  I remember one time, the
ride had alledgely lost power (or some fraction thereof) and the force
(centrifugal?) that allows you to stay seated while you are upside-down
gave out.  This may not be completely true.  However, the day after this
accident the ride was still closed until about 1 p.m., which was when
I dared to ride it.

Rick Marquardt
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags--which one?
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

The complete list:

SF Astroworld -- Houston, TX
SF over Georgia -- Atlanta, GA
SF Great Adventure -- Jackson, NJ
SF Great America -- Gurnee, IL
SF Magic Mountain -- Valencia, CA
SF over Mid-America -- St. Louis, MO
SF over Texas -- Arlington, TX
From: Dale English@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Kansas City Park Stuff..
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:18:17 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

I got the lastest brochure from Worlds of Fun and they will be adding a ride
like Timberwolf Falls at Canada's Wonderland, or Tidal Wave at several Six
Flags parks.  The ride features a boat for about forty people, goes up a lift,
rounds  a turn, and plunges into the water, getting all the people in the
boat and on the walkway leaving the ride soaking wet.  The ride I believe is
called "Monsoon" and can be reached from either Worlds of Fun or Oceans of
Fun.

Dale
From: asimeone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (antonio simeone)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: King's Island
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:12:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr8.191242.15736
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr8.084437.1057@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> rettigca@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>And Skylab may be shut down for good now as well....
>
why is skylab going to be shut down?  i always thought it was kind of a
fun ride.

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