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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Noise limits (was: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.165949.6509@westford.ccur.com>
cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen) writes:
>In article <petterb.1.716051376@dhhalden.no> petterb@dhhalden.no
(PETTER BRUSERUD) writes:
>>
>>What's the "noise" limit (exhaust) for vehicles (read:bikes) in USA?
>>In Norway it's 88dB. Don't ask how we managed to get our Sportster through, 
>>but we did it (with a lot of shit in the exhaust pipes!).
>>
>
>I'm not sure, but something around 90dB comes to mind, but then again, some
>towns will pull you over for being louder than 70dB.

The California Vehicle Code says this:

    Date of Manufacture       Noise Limit -dbA

    before 1970               92
    1970-1972                 88
    1972-1974                 86
    1975-1985                 83
    after 1985                80

I think these correspond to Federal regulations; I've never heard
of a bike with special pipes to meet California regulations.

The noise limit for cars has been about 78 db since the 1970s.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:09:06 GMT

In article <petterb.1.716051376@dhhalden.no>, petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD) writes:
> How do you adjust the valves on a '83 (or is it '82) 1000ccm Panhead?
> Would be happy if somebody could tell.

Petter probably means '92 or '93.  Haven't all of you seen the Pan rocker
boxes available for Evo motors?  The company running the ads list only
a phone; perhaps they fear attacks if they give out their address...

> What's the "noise" limit (exhaust) for vehicles (read:bikes) in USA?
> In Norway it's 88dB. Don't ask how we managed to get our Sportster through, 
> but we did it (with a lot of shit in the exhaust pipes!).

Haven't a clue but I do know that an otherwise stock 1986 FXR with an 
Andrews EV3 camshaft, 8000 rpm spark module, K&N filter and stock carb 
with a 160 main and 50 needle jet produced the following sound levels 
using the 'A scale and fast setting on a sound meter placed 15 feet
behind and 5 feet to the right of the bike (as measured and reported
by BUB Enterprises 916-268-0449):

     2500rpm  80dba
     3000rpm  80dba
     4000rpm  81dba
     5000rpm  82dba
     6000rpm  84dba

I seem to recall reading that the EPA test is a half throttle drive by
at no more than 78dba but could be mistaken.  The above figures are
higher because of the bigger cam and less restrictive air cleaner.  Both
devices violate EPA regulations when installed on a motorcycle that is
used on a public road.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh)
Subject: 93 Sportster pricing?
Originator: mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:04:55 GMT


Does anyone know what list prices for the new sportsters are?

I don't care about the hugger, just the basic 883 and 1200.  

Also: any changes to the Sportsters other than belt drive for all now?

Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:14:52 GMT

In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

A whole bunch of unnecessary crap that I've deleted.

Since this guy can easily be located at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland,
OH where he's obviously a (young) student, it should be relatively easy for
the moderator of this newsgroup to contact the Sysop at CWRU and have his
account deleted. Otherwise CWRU could find itself in the middle of a legal
battle they really don't want to be in.

Until that happens, I suggest that we just ignore the dweeb and maybe he'll
go away on his own. I mean how much can he know about a bike when he can't
even spell it's name correctly. And if he doesn't go away, maybe we'll get
lucky and he'll have the brass balls to show up at Sturgis and start spouting
his anti-Harley rhetoric. Or walk into a Cleveland Harley bar. I've lived
there, and I wouldn't do it. You can wind up seriously dead, and that's if
you're lucky. Woo!

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From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 5 Sep 1992 22:52:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>please do not clutter a motorcycle newsgroup with your sexual envy.
>
>oh, Freenet... must be a Fidonet escapee. that explains your sexual
>frustration, however this is a motorcycle newsgroup. take it elsewhere.

Gee, and I thought that maybe that way the way you Harlie types
liked to talk to each other.   If you want to talk about motorcycles,
at least talk about real motorcycles.  ie, something that goes over
55 mph, burns more gas than oil, doesn't take 15 minutes to get
started, and doesn't make you go deaf after riding for a few days.

I own a Ducati.  It will outrun ANY Harlie, even if I keep it
1st gear all the way.  It runs better, looks better, sounds 
better, I could go on, but I don't want to ruin your day
all at once.

And if you really want to talk about sexual frustration, look at
ANY Harlie rider.  Its really weird, but most of them are
balding and fat, and unusually ugly.  Your typical fat and dumb
biker, if you will.  And when a Harlie rider does manage to land 
a female type, they are usually the skankiest looking things
you ever did see.  Some of the ugliest women I have ever had
the misfortune to set my eyes on were riding on the back of
a Harlie.

As far as chicks on the backs of real bikes, well, some of them look
pretty good.  Especially all the ones around campus here that
want to ride on my Duc.  Yeah, I sure am sexually frustrated!
NOT! :-)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:22:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.191003.2869@c3.PLA.CA.US> niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>Feeling inadequate today? Must be all that red meat. Maybe a little more rice
>in your diet would lend balance to your disposition...

Want more rice?  Drink Bud.  They even admit to it
in their ads.  (Cf. the one where the two young'uns
go ask the old farts just why they have this bud
thing in common..."It's the water...the rice...the hops...")
It's not exactly trumpeted, but it's there.

				--Blair
				  "Well, the mountains of Virginia
				   ARE rocky, you know..."
				   -Adolph Coors

Ob. MC:  Indian.  No question at all.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: lspangle@nyx.cs.du.edu (L. A. Spangler)
Subject: Other foreign Harley clones
Followup-To: poster r
Summary: Ural motorcycle
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:00:14 GMT

The recent post about the Sokol (Polish - 1935 clone) prompted me to ask 
if anyone has information or knowledge of the Russian built (current 
production model) Ural motorcycle.  According to a couple of people, it 
is a HD clone in virtually every way. 

At the present time, because of Russia's need for hard currency, they are 
inexpensive enough to purchase two, one to be a hanger queen and the other 
to ride.  Now add shipping in and parting a new bike isn't quite as an 
attractive deal, but it's still a whole lot less than a new Harley.  

I know...I know...if it ain't American, don't ride it!  And I agree with 
that.  But on the other hand, it might be a lot of fun to have something 
else to putt around on when the other scooter isn't feeling well.  

So how about it, anyone know about some of these blatant ripoffs of American 
motorcycle might which might be fun, worth a damn...etc.  In advance, 
thanks. 

lspangle@nyx.cs.du.edu

.
 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen)
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:32:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.014357.6580@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>        Nicer idea:  place a wooden spring-type clothespin on the pushrod
>itself to hold the pushrod cover up.  Then you don't have a stray end of a wire
>coat hanger scratching your chromed/polished aluminum rocker boxes or the paint
>on your tanks.  Turn the motor over until the intake valve on the cylinder of

I tried the clothespin method and personally didn't like it (the clothespin
got in the way, it was harder to tell if the pushrod had any up and down
travel). If you're worried about scratches on the tank or rocker box, you can
bend the wire more creatively (so that the end of the wire isn't at the end of
the hook, and then perhaps tape off the end of the wire). The shop I go to for
parts uses the coathanger method (but then again there are probably hundreds of
other methods to hold them up, the point is 'your milage may vary').

Clothespins do come in handy if you're playing around with the cam gears and
want to keep the tappets from falling...

...and yes, the pushrod cover clips are a bitch to get back on, especially the
front intake (right by the carbuerator)...

							Chris
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Concurrent Computer Corporation		Westford, Ma.
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Other foreign Harley clones
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:09:48 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

lspangle@nyx.cs.du.edu said (in part:)

>The recent post about the Sokol (Polish - 1935 clone) prompted me to ask 
>if anyone has information or knowledge of the Russian built (current 
>production model) Ural motorcycle.  According to a couple of people, it 
>is a HD clone in virtually every way. 
> [...]
>So how about it, anyone know about some of these blatant ripoffs of American 
>motorcycle might which might be fun, worth a damn...etc.  In advance, 

	Yea!  A Russian rip off Harley would be damn fun.  Rolling
	flame bait. I'll park it right next to the late Evos with
	HD's fake hardtail, aftermarket fake Panheads and fake kick 
	starter, nonfunctional took kit and fringe leather bags.
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:25:19 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep10.123235.147@westford.ccur.com>, cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen) writes...
>....and yes, the pushrod cover clips are a bitch to get back on, especially the
>front intake (right by the carbuerator)...
>Chris von Recklinghausen		cvr@westford.ccur.com
>Concurrent Computer Corporation		Westford, Ma.

Ha! I thought I was the only one with that problem!
When I do my valves, putting the covers back usually goes pop, pop, pop, and
then much cursing and swearing when I get to the front intake...
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Survey
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:38:12 GMT

Back in '88, I bought a bran new XLH 1200.  I was impressed
a year later when I got a long survey sheet thru the mail
from an independent company hired by HD to evaluate my
satisfaction with the dealer and the bike.

Last night I got a call from a company in Ohio that was
hired by HD to evealuate my satisfaction with the bike
years later.  

In general, I was once again impressed.  Not totally, tho.

For one thing, I sold the bike in late '89 to buy a slighlty
used FXLR.  When I got a recall notice on the XLH, I 
notified them of the new owner's name & address.  I guess
that their warantee database isn't connected to their sales
database.

For another, they are asking the opinion of those that
kept the bike 4 years.  If someone was disatisfied, they
may well have sold the bike.  And, as I've seen, they
weren't interested in the opinions of those who no
longer own the bike.  So, their data will be skewed.
____________________________________________________________________________
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            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: loki@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: internal prejudice
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:19:19 GMT
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials


	I've caught up on all the Harley posts.  And I've noticed a curious
"tone" in the comments of some hard-core (from all appearances) HD types.
There seems to be some bias against the Evo series  and in favour of the older
classic xxxxx-head machines (xxxxx is "shovel, pan, bucket, bottle,
spoon"...  anything that can hold oil, I guess).

	Besides the fact that the Evos are often the prize of poser,
wannabe Yuppie bikers, what is the prejudice?  A classic is a classic; 
some people make a passion out of collecting antiques.  Some don't.  But
the implication seems to be that Evos are... not quite as Harley as the
rest.

	My imagination or am I missing something?

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From: gt@prosun.first.gmd.de (Gerd Truschinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Other foreign Harley clones
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:46:27 GMT
Organization: GMD Berlin (FIRST)

In article <1992Sep7.120948.1156@msus1.msus.edu>, stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
|> lspangle@nyx.cs.du.edu said (in part:)
|> 
|> >The recent post about the Sokol (Polish - 1935 clone) prompted me to ask 
|> >if anyone has information or knowledge of the Russian built (current 
|> >production model) Ural motorcycle.  According to a couple of people, it 
|> >is a HD clone in virtually every way. 
|> > [...]
|> >So how about it, anyone know about some of these blatant ripoffs of American 
|> >motorcycle might which might be fun, worth a damn...etc.  In advance, 
|> 
|> 	Yea!  A Russian rip off Harley would be damn fun.  Rolling
|> 	flame bait. I'll park it right next to the late Evos with
|> 	HD's fake hardtail, aftermarket fake Panheads and fake kick 
|> 	starter, nonfunctional took kit and fringe leather bags.

I`m sorry about that, but the Ural is similar to the 1935 BMW. I don't
think that they also build HDs.

/gT/, still having a red head because of the 'DoD-Posting'. (Thank you, Ivan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: stock Evo cases too weak for big bore
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:47:25 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Sep14.144312.8875@engage.pko.dec.com>,
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) wrote:
> 
> --
[deletions...]
> 
> Shovelhead cases have a lot more meat in 'em.
> 

Are you quite sure of this?  Do you mean they have
more material about the cylinders or in general?  IMHO,
Shovelheads with great expectations need more
robust cases, too.  The Evo cases are basically
Shovel cases, anyway.
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Evo vs. Shovelhead HP
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:22:29 GMT
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing

In article <BuL79B.4xE@rice.edu>, garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
> Personally, I can't see why anyone would go out and blow >$12K on a new 
> Harley unless they just want a stock bike. For that kind of money I 
> could go out and buy a clean Shovel, do up the custom touches properly, 
> and build a motor that would make a stock Evo look like a Vespa 125.

All of the HD drag racers use Evo motors for some specific reason.  I've
read in Hot Bike that Evo motors give up more ponies easier than Shovels
and last longer also.  Nothing wrong with Shovels though, anyone have a
clean 78-79 Super Glide they want to sell for $4000??

- Roid
From: pooder@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:05:08 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Sep6.035149.18066@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
> 
>>I own a Ducati.
> 
> Daddy buy it for you?  Maybe you can ask him to buy you a clue too.
> 
>>Especially all the ones around campus here that
>                                 ^^^^^^
> Ahh, that explains it all.
> -- 
> Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
> 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
> Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
> My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked


Ignore him; he'll probably go away.  It worked for me in the sixth grade.

Don

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Other foreign Harley clones
Keywords: Sokol, Ural
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:10:39 GMT

L. A. Spangler writes:

>The recent post about the Sokol (Polish - 1935 clone) prompted me to ask 
>if anyone has information or knowledge of the Russian built (current 
>production model) Ural motorcycle. According to a couple of people, it 
>is a HD clone in virtually every way.
> [...]


john stafford responds:

>	Yea! A Russian rip off Harley would be damn fun. Rolling
>	flame bait. I'll park it right next to the late Evos with
>	HD's fake hardtail, aftermarket fake Panheads and fake kick
>	starter, nonfunctional took kit and fringe leather bags.

Well, this is mighty strange...a couple of friends and I were debating 
things of two-wheeled import over a few beers last nite when the subject 
of the Ural came up. One of my friends said that the only thing he knew 
about it (other than it was a HD clone) was that the Ural factory was 
supposedly either the largest or the second-largest producer of motorcycles 
in the world. 

At which point I brought up another HD clone that would *really* be the 
ultimate rolling flame bait - the Rukuo. That's right, a *Japanese* Harley 
clone. HD actually licensed out the rights to manufacture these bikes to 
a Japanese company at some point in the past. I believe it was a flathead, 
but I can't remember off the top of my head. I've got a picture of one 
somewhere, and it looks like a dead ringer for a Harley...except for the tank 
badge.

Can you imagine the looks on the faces of said late Evo owners when you 
pulled up on one of these next to their fake-accessory-encrusted, $15,000 
weekend toys, and said, ``Oh yeah, I'm just out for a Sunday putt on my 
riceburner!'';-)

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@math.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu ()
Subject: ABC's Crossroads TV show
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:24:26 GMT

Anybody see the premiere of ABC's show "Crossroads" last night?
I don't know the year or model of the Harley Robert Urich was
riding, but during the show he said the bike was 27 years old.
It sure didn't look it, but if true wouldn't it put it at the end of
the panhead era (1965)?  Can anybody help on this??
It looks like a pretty good show, it also looks like they'll feature
the bike every week.


Jeff

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From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 4 valve HD
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:31:59 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

There is mention in one of this months motorcycle rags about a water-cooled,
4-valve Harley which is under development and expected (hoped?) to be a '93
or '94 new model.  I believe it's supposed to be a sport bike.  I'll look
through my magazines and see if I can find the reference.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.023728.14936@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu
(alex) writes:
>
>	Yea, but don't you need to *get* running first, and for that you 
>need ducati parts, and ducati parts are slightly more difficult to get
>then replacement gears for a babbage engine.

It's not that bad.  It can take a while, depending on
whether there's a dock strike in Italy this mohth.

>In contrast, I clean the
>plugs on my bike by swapping them into my truck for a week,

Ducatis run fine with Champion plugs from the auto parts
store.  I've never tried cleaning plugs off in my car; my
Ducatis never fouled them.

>and I can 
>get most of the little stuff at the local auto parts store.

The sort of "little stuff" you can get for a Harley
at an auto parts store, you can get for a Ducati at
an auto parts store that handles parts for metric autos
(like Geos or Escorts).

>What I can't
>get there is almost certainly in stock at my Harley dealer, who will offer
>me a choice of HD parts, CCI parts or a cuple of other after market brands.

This is the big advantage that Harley has over all other
motorcycle vendors: a really good distribution network.

>If I really want to get funky, I can buzz over to zippers and change the
>entire style of the bike, or I can wander out to a swap meet and change
>my bike from an FX to an FL for about $200.

It'll cost a bit more to change it into something that
will compete with a Ducati twin on its own terms.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu