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From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Almost botched drug bust?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 11:43:34 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <1992Nov21.184640.5496@julian.uwo.ca> 
(Wayne Smith) writes: 
      .....
> (while trying not to step on each others toes).  We should just let the
> american's come in and follow/land/arrest then take back the smugglers
> and the planes and the dope and the people involved.  At least it would
> get done professionally, and it would save us a ton of $$$ not only for
> the chase, gut the court costs as well.

        Right. Not enough that they feel confident about coming up
        here and kidnapping people they want to indict; We give the
        DEA thugs an open invitation to just come in fully armed
        whenever they like.

        I don't think Wayne appreciates how much the DEA has become
        like the people they pursue, or how little notice they take of
        the basic principles we consider necessary for the
        maintainance of civilisation. We have enough of a problem here
        with our own cops occasionally doing great harm to people they
        mistakenly suspect of having drugs. We don't need
        adrenalin-crazed yanks coming in here with gunships.

        At least this bunch survived to be tried in court.

        Cheers,
                Marc

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Xref: sparky can.general:5439 bc.general:528
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Making child suppo work - was: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:49:25 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <1992Nov23.173048.10215@xenitec.on.ca> merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov20.174806.21427@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>>I know of a case where orders have been in force for _years_, but the amount
>>collected is nearly nil. The ex-husband works 'under the table' in order to
>>avoid the attachment orders, does not use his chequing account to avoid that
>>attachment order, does not file income tax forms to avoid _that_
>>attachment.... well, you get the idea. Eventually, if he doesn't leave the
>>country, his ass will end up in jail, but it will probably take another four
>>or five years to get _that_ done. In the meantime, he takes his
>>under-the-table cash while telling welfare he's down and out...

>please remember that NCP (non-custodial parents) can be women too.

No argument there.

>also be aware that sometimes the NCP with-holds support because the CP
>is with-holding access.  of course, the NCP looks bad because they are
>not paying their support, but not much is said about CP's with-holding
>access.

In my daughter's case, this is not remotely correct - she has consistently
provided access when requested, and I applaud her for that.

>>Legal Aid, which will help the husband avoid supporting his ex and children
>>for nothing, won't help the wife collect on outstanding court orders - the
>>case I know of involves back support in excess of $15K, and absolutely
>>_no-one_ will help her collect it.

>Legal-Aid also helps the CP impoverish the NCP who probably makes too much
>to qualify for legal-aid.

In my daughter's case, the ex makes enough to support a comfortable
lifestyle, while my daughter is having a very difficult time. Legal Aid will
not provide assistance _in any case_ to enforce maintenance orders - period.

>>Any legal eagles out there who can do some pro bono work for women in this
>>situation, like drafting orders for them, etc?
>
>there are various newsgroups out there, i only really know those for NCP's
>the FREE mailing list and alt.dads-rights.

Yes, I'm familiar with them, but they generally apply in the United States,
rather than Canada. I would like to initiate a mailing list dealing
specifically with Canada, but there's little interest.
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Newsgroups: can.general
From: marwood@ncs.dnd.ca (Gordon Marwood)
Subject: Internet -> Envoy connection
Keywords: Envoy, Internet
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:05:47 GMT

Has anybody had any success in sending mail from an Internet host to
an Envoy 100 address ?  The addressing suggestions provided in John
Chew's internet-mail-guide no longer seem to work.

Gordon Marwood
Internet: marwood@ncs.dnd.ca

Xref: sparky can.general:5427 bc.general:520
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Making child support work
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:32:29 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <1992Nov21.213307.9525@sol.UVic.CA> klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:

>Until that day arrives, another agency (the "Family Maintenance Enforcement
>Program" -- in Victoria, telephone 356-8692) handles this area.
>They can garnish wages, UIC payments, and even MSP payments to non-opted-out
>Medical Doctors.  The local Family Court will have the 3-page application
>form, or FMEP will send one to you.

Surely you jest, Sir. These folks are the sorriest excuse for trough-feeding
'civil servants' I've ever had the distasteful experience of examining.  

It takes anywhere from 4 months to a year to get into the program at the
_local_ level, and months _more_ to get the "real" office (Vancouver?) to
list the case. It is the FMEP that has refused to help Lisa by providing her
with the Show Cause summons which she needs to force her ex to stand in
front of the judge and explain himself. They have, in fact, gone out of
their way to avoid being useful.

They even denied that they _could_ file such a summons until faced with
chapter and verse of the code which governs them in the first place, then
they began building higher and higher walls in order to discourage Lisa from
insisting.... which, through the office of her MLA, she will be doing next
week. If the FME folks are 'state of the art,' then let's fire the lazy
parasites and start over with folks interested in earning their over-large
paycheques and indexed pensions.


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Newsgroups: can.general,alt.internet.services
From: fass@cs.sfu.ca (Dan Fass)
Subject: Freenets in Canada and elsewhere 
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:38:00 GMT

n article <jstewart.721493440@cunews> jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewar
t) writes:

> Attempts are being made in several Canadian cities to setup Freenets based
> on the model of the Freenet systems currently operating in several American
> cities.  Victoria and Ottawa are likely to be the first cities that put a
> Freenet into full operation.

Could John or anyone else tell us which other Canadian cities are planning
freenets?  What of Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal?


I've compiled a list of worldwide current/planned freenets using hytelnet, 
the University of Saskatoon based Internet information service, and from a
leaflet distributed by VIFA, the VIctoria Free-Net Association. Here's that
list:

There are two freenets in Canada:

* National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario: telnet freenet.carleton.ca or 
134.117.1.12       login: guest

* The Victoria Free-Net, Victoria, British Columbia: telnet 
freenet.victoria.bc.ca     available by modem at (604) 595 2300

There's one freenet in New Zealand:

* Citynet, Wellington: operational, telnet access not available.

And there are 15 freenets in the USA:

* Big Sky Telegraph, Dillon, Montana: ``Available Fall/Winter 1992''

* Buffalo Free-Net, Buffalo, New York: ``Available Fall/Winter 1992''

* Chicago Free-Net, Chicago, Illinois: ``Should be available early 1992,''
contact Paul Bernstein, voice: 312-951-8451, e-mail: 72466.3137@compuserve.com

* The Cleveland FreeNet, Cleveland, Ohio: telnet hela.ins.cwru.edu or 
freenet-in-a.cwru or 129.22.8.38
login: visitor

* Core, Seal Beach, California: ``Available Fall/Winter 1992''

* Denver Free-Net, Denver, Colorado: ``Available Fall/Winter 1992''

* The Heartland FreeNet, Peoria, Illinois: telnet heartland.bradley.edu or 
136.176.5.114           login: bbguest

* La Grande Free-Net, La Grande, Oregon: ``Should be available early 1992,'' 
contact Jim Williams, voice: 503-494-6059, e-mail: williams@ohsu.edu

* Lorain County FreeNet, Elyria, Ohio: telnet freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu or 
132.162.32.99         	login: guest

* The Medina County FreeNet, Medina, Ohio: currently not available by telnet, 
available by modem at (216) 723-6732

* Salem Free-Net, Salem, Oregon: not yet operational, contact Jim Williams, 
voice: 503-494-6059, e-mail: williams@ohsu.edu

* Santa Barbara Free-Net, Santa Barbara, California: ``Should be available 
early 1992,'' contact: Timothy Tyndall, voice: 805-962-0129, e-mail: 
3000rain@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu

* Sendit, Fargo, North Dakota: telnet sendit.nodak.edu or 134.129.105.1 
login: bbs    Password: sendit2me     Login as visitor

* Tri-State Online, Cincinnati, Ohio: telnet tso.uc.edu or 129.137.100.1 
login: visitor

* The Youngstown Free-Net, Youngstown, Ohio: telnet yfn.ysu.edu or 
192.55.234.27      	login: visitor


Thanks,

- Dan Fass
Xref: sparky can.general:5410 bc.general:508
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general,nanaimo.general
Subject: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
From: lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:05:14 PST
Distribution: bc
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac


Hi out there!

I'm another parent who's gone thru all the proper channels, obtained all
the court orders and attachment orders and still received near-zip
from my ex, who consistently makes considerably more than I do.

Sound familiar?

If you, or someone you know, is in a similar situation, let's get together!
I'd like to form a support group that is also loud enough politically to
realize results; the old "strength in numbers" in action!

Please call me (Lisa) in Nanaimo at 756-4581, to put this together, or
contact me via email (lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca).

* By the way, my ex's name is "moe" (mort) graham and he presently lives
in Gibsons, b.c.

lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Lisa Graham)
                  The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!
Newsgroups: can.general
From: finneyrc@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (R Craig Finney)
Subject: Re: Small post office closure: lobby?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:33:55 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

The idea of sending unstamped letter may or may not work.  I don't
think Canada Post is committed to deliver unstamped letters.  They
may just be garbaged.  If there is no return address, then it just
gets garbaged.  I wonder what would happen if the return address
is the same as the forward address???????

-- 
Agent 36
(Everyone is sane in their own reality)
Newsgroups: can.general
From: mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca (Martin D'Anjou)
Subject: To Graduated Sutdents/Aux Etudiants Gradues 
Organization: Universite Laval
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:18:50 GMT

Francais plus bas...

I would like to make my own survey on the salary the universities in Canada pay to their graduated students for teacher assistant position.

	How much does your Universite pays for this job? ($$/hr.)?

Please send your awnsers to mdanjou@gel.ualval.ca since this was posted on many groups! I will compile the results and post it to can.general

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

J'aimerais faire une petite enquete aupres des etudiants gradues des universites du Canada:
	Quel est le taux horraire des "correcteurs" ou "depanneurs" dans votre universite?

Repondez a mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca. Je compilerai les resultats et les rendrai disponibles sur can.general.

Martin d'Anjou
mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca
Xref: sparky can.general:5412 bc.general:510
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Making child suppo work - was: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:48:06 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <1ej42oINNc4c@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:

> I'd like to see support payments made and collected by the courts.
> That way, the person granted support could rely on actually receiving
> the ordered payments, and the person ordered to pay support would
> find the weight of the law descending rapidly on their head if they
> tried not make a payment.  It's time a support order was realized
> to be an _order_.

The problem would be amusing if it weren't tragic at the same time, Tony.
The courts often issue orders, but these orders are often functionally
worthless. The gov't agency that is supposed to enforce these orders not
only doesn't, they show little or no interest in actually DOING something..

I know of a case where orders have been in force for _years_, but the amount
collected is nearly nil. The ex-husband works 'under the table' in order to
avoid the attachment orders, does not use his chequing account to avoid that
attachment order, does not file income tax forms to avoid _that_
attachment.... well, you get the idea. Eventually, if he doesn't leave the
country, his ass will end up in jail, but it will probably take another four
or five years to get _that_ done. In the meantime, he takes his
under-the-table cash while telling welfare he's down and out...

The relevant laws are worthless. When this bum gets a new job, for instance,
under the table, the ex-wife doesn't know about it, unless she can afford a
private detective to follow the bastard around every time he switches. Since
she is usually impoverished because the bastard won't meet his obligations,
she can't afford to find out where he's working. Since she can't find out
where he's working, the government "enforcement" agency shrugs it off.

Legal Aid, which will help the husband avoid supporting his ex and children
for nothing, won't help the wife collect on outstanding court orders - the
case I know of involves back support in excess of $15K, and absolutely
_no-one_ will help her collect it.

I hope Lisa's new support group helps - I have delighted visions of the
wives who face this situation providing the assets needed to run these cheap
bastards to ground and make them accountable.... alas, the folks she needs
to reach aren't likely to be here on the net, but it's a start....

Any legal eagles out there who can do some pro bono work for women in this
situation, like drafting orders for them, etc?


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Newsgroups: can.general
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Small post office closure: lobby?
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:43:15 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 955

I heard on CBC radio today that there is a .....

"Sit-In" at Canada Post in Quebec city to protest closure of
small community post office. This only attracts media attention
for a day or two and may end up with someone being arrested and
charged.

Suggestion:-

How about having thousands of (unstamped ?) envelopes sent
to addresses in the community affected (with no return address ?)?

Perhaps, in place of postage stamp, a stamped message like:-

                  ================
                  |   Save our   |
                  |     P.O.!    |
                  ================

That ought to gum up the works a bit! :-)

Any comments?

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Making child support work
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 21:33:07 GMT

In article <!> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
> lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>>I'm another parent who's gone thru all the proper channels, obtained all
>>the court orders and attachment orders and still received near-zip
>>from my ex, who consistently makes considerably more than I do.
> I'd like to see support payments made and collected by the courts.
  
Until that day arrives, another agency (the "Family Maintenance Enforcement
Program" -- in Victoria, telephone 356-8692) handles this area.
They can garnish wages, UIC payments, and even MSP payments to non-opted-out
Medical Doctors.  The local Family Court will have the 3-page application
form, or FMEP will send one to you.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: dave@revcan.rct.ca (David Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Internet -> Envoy connection
Organization: Revenue Canada, Taxation; Office Communications Division
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:22:05 GMT
Followup-To: can.general
Keywords: Envoy, Internet

In article <1992Nov18.020547.9363@netfs.dnd.ca> marwood@ncs.dnd.ca (Gordon Marwood) writes:
>Has anybody had any success in sending mail from an Internet host to
>an Envoy 100 address ?  The addressing suggestions provided in John
>Chew's internet-mail-guide no longer seem to work.
>
>Gordon Marwood
>Internet: marwood@ncs.dnd.ca
>

There used to be a route through nasa but it wasn't terribly reliable
and seemed like such a long way to go to send a message across town.
GTA operates a private gateway for GEMDES users (the Government version
of Envoy) but it won't work for regular Envoy users, and AT&T Mail has a
gateway for those with AT&T Mail access.  The problem with an Internet -
Envoy gateway is that Bell (actually Stentor) has no way of collecting
from one of the parties (they charge to both send and receive mail) and
cannot enter into any sort of account settlement arrangement with "The
Internet" as they can with other companies such as AT&T.  Until Stentor
perceives it to be in their best interest to provide a gateway it won't
happen.  Call your sales rep and complain loudly.  In the meantime be
aware that if you do find a gateway, someone is paying Stentor on your
behalf for delivery of your e-mail.
-- 
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Systems Integration Manager	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1A 0L8
Office Communications Division	voice: +1 613 957 9305, fax: +1 613 952 1095
Revenue Canada, Taxation	email: uunet.ca!revcan!dave, dave@revcan.rct.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
From: dfrankel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Danny Frankel)
Subject: Quebec provincial Legislature
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:48:40 GMT

I'm looking for indexes of the quebec provincial parliamentary
debates, they seem to be only available up to 1988, does 
anybody know where I can find them? It would be really great
if they were on-line somewhere.  The archives in Quebec city
claim they have been published but the university libraries
around the T.O area all don't have them...

Any help would be appreciated.
Reply to dfrankel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca

Thanks alot
Dan

Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general,nanaimo.general
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: PARENTS REALIZING CHILD SUPPORT
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: bc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:19:46 GMT

In article <FFXiuB1w165w@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca> lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>I'm another parent who's gone thru all the proper channels, obtained all
>the court orders and attachment orders and still received near-zip
>from my ex, who consistently makes considerably more than I do.
>
>Sound familiar?

it's things like this that attach labels to people who don't deserve them.

i pay support, on time, every pay.

i get access, and i am prompt and non-argumentative.

i am not pleased with the settlement we have, but i agreed to the settlement
and i am keeping my end of the deal.

sure there are NCP's (non-custodial parents) out there who don't pay their
support, but don't punish those of us who do.  there is some legislation
out there in Ontario, which allows the CP to go to court and have the
support deducted from the NCP's pay.

the NCP is expected to pay a couple months up front, and there is a one
or two month delay in getting the funds to the CP.

fortunately, this legislation is not automatic, it must be enacted by
the CP.  they were talking about making all support orders go through this
system, but i guess they realized that it was only necessary for those who
weren't paying.

>If you, or someone you know, is in a similar situation, let's get together!
>I'd like to form a support group that is also loud enough politically to
>realize results; the old "strength in numbers" in action!

please be cautious about what you want to do.  your actions may effect
those CP who are getting their support.

>* By the way, my ex's name is "moe" (mort) graham and he presently lives
>in Gibsons, b.c.
>
>lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Lisa Graham)

my ex's name is lisa.  8^)

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