From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:27:10 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <JIME.92Apr14173310@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# In article <1992Apr14.190527.23560@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   In article <JIME.92Apr14123220@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# >   # In article <1992Apr14.060810.25881@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   # Palestinians from their homes is an essentially racist action,

# >	   Why is it racist?  Even if you claim it to be wrong, they would be
# >   deported because they are a threat (and if they agreed to not be a
# >   threat, they would not have to be deported), not because of their
# >   race.
 
# Certainly a deportation of all Palestinians is racist.

	This just prooves you have difficulty with reading and
comprehension.

# How do you
# choose whom to deport?  Not based on previous crimes, for not all
# Palestinians have committed crimes.

	Previous crimes would certainly be a factor.

# Not based on actual threat, for a
# peace-loving Palestinian (and such do exist) is no threat.

	As long as they agree to remain so, they can stay.

# The only
# criterion is that the person is a Palestinian, and this criterion is
# by itself racist.

	Again, you seem not to be able to read (or at least remember after
you read it).  That is not the only criteria.  In fact, it is not a
criteria at all.

# Would you include in the deportation order any Jew
# who advocates the establishment of a Palestinian state?  Such Jews
# exist in Israel.   Such advocacy would be considered by the likes of
# yourself to be a threat (please correct me if I'm wrong).  And yet
# they would not be deported.  This demonstrates the ultimate racism
# inherent in your deportation idea.
 
	Your nuts.  Anyone could advocate whatever they wanted.  THey
could advocate a "palestinian?" State.  They just would have to agree
not to do anything to bring it about, and they would have to agree to
remain peaceful

# >   # I am
# >   # surprised that you prefer [deportation of Palestinians] to peace.

# >	   Wrong.  I prefer peace.  It is just for so many reasons (hatred,
# >   the status of Jerusalem - there are a lot more), peace is impossible.
 
# Do you hate the Palestinians?  All of them?
 
	I do not hate "palestinians?".  I love Jews.

# >   # Please list the other examples of forced mass deportation in this
# >   # century, and I will comment on them too.

# >	   Here are just some of the ones I am aware of (I am sure there are
# >   more).  After World War 2, Checklosvakia expelled every single ethnic
# >   German.  Greece and Tukey have exchanged populations, as have Indiaand
# >   Pakistan.  These deportations were forced in order to prevent
# >   bloodshed.  It would have been better not to have to deport them.  But
# >   the alternative, massive bloodshed, was worse.
 
# There are presently ethnic Germans living in Czechoslovakia, who have
# lived there since before WWII.

	If you are going to deny that all ethnic Germans were expelled
from the Sudatenland, then you are making up your own version of
history.

# The Greek-Turkish problem is also an
# instance of racism, and any deportations have not eased the tensions
# there.  Ditto for India and Pakistan.
 
	They may not have eased tensions, but they prevented them from
getting a lot worse and saved lives.  The same will happen in Israel.

# >   # No, you wish to change the Geneva Convention only because it disagrees
# >   # with your final solution to the Palestinian problem.

# >	   You are an imbicile.  Deportations are necessary to PREVENT a
# >   "final solution" for BOTH SIDES!
 
# Honestly, name-calling won't get you far.

	Sorry.  Your dishonesty just gets me frustrated.

# Anyway, I doubt that an
# imbecile would be able to spell "imbecile".

	Fine.  I apologize for my sppeling (ha, ha).

# Deportation _is_ your final solution to the Palestinian problem, not a
# way of avoiding the solution.

	Your are getting real good.  This is at least the third time in
this article you have disregarded what I EXPLICITLY wrote.  Either you
are dishonest, you have a very short term memory, or you cannot read.
Which is it?  Or is it a combination?

# It is also against the Geneva
# Convention, and for good reason.  It is not humane, it is not
# civilized, it does not solve problems, it only displaces them.

	I guess bloody war is humane, is civilized, and solves problems.
It only kills people.

# Look
# at the PLO.  They have camps outside of Israel, and aperiodically
# launch attacks against Israel.  Deportation can't solve the
# Palestinian problem.

	Almost all of the border infiltrations involve safe houses and
other aids.  Also, if they continued to launch threats from newar
Israel, they should be expelled from there also.  It will help.

# What would you say about another way of using deportation to solve the
# Arab-Jew conflict:  Deport all the Jews from Israel.  That satisfies
# the arguments you have stated so far.

	Look, you can play games all you want.  If both populations are
not seperated and distanced from each other, both may cease to exist.
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David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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