HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: k.vikor@alf.uib.no (Knut S. Vikor)
Subject: Re: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:34:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.120953.7617@tdb.uu.se>, matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats
Bredell) wrote:
> 
> jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins) writes:
> 
> .... Right now, I can move back and
> : forth between English, Hebrew, and Chinese just by hitting command-space. 
> : It's rather nice.  
> 
> How did you install the foreign scripts (why doesn't it work on my machine???)
> 
> I thought that dropping the script, the keyboard layout and the fonts into the
> system file was enough. Oh yes, that little INIT that complains during startup
> too ...
> 
> /Mats
> -- 
> Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
> Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
> Department of medical systems                  Ph:  +46 18 187817
> Sweden                                         Fax: +46 18 187825
         Installing Arabic, I had to drop the various bits in twice before
they "caught". You must also have all elements - I do not know about
Chinese or Hebrew, but Arabic consists of two control panels, two
extensions and a system addition (keyboard layout) + the fonts (at least
al-Qahira, the Arabic System font). In order to see Arabic in the Finder,
the Finder font must then be set to al-Qahira (in the View control panel).
In such a "hybrid" system, menus will normally not appear in Arabic, only
Latin script (the "default" script). 

John H. Jenkins also wrote
> Any program that uses the Script Manager correctly will handle bi-di text
> correctly.  I don't know much about who does and who doesn't use the Script
> Manager, beyond the fact that Nisus does and Word doesn't.  Word is a Bad
> Program for people using non-Roman scripts (*sigh*).  The English version
> of Nisus works perfectly with both Hebrew and Chinese so far as I can tell
      Standard Nisus does not work properly with Arabic, only the far more
expensive Nisus international does. Word does not, nor MacWrite, WriteNow
or any other standard word processor I know of. The only script-manager
comaptible programs for wp are the fairly obsolete AllScript (also sold
under the names of RavK'tav and Nousous), WinText and Nisus int.(and for
dtp, al-Nashir al-Maktabi). For simple text editing, the shareware
miniWriter is script-manager compatible and works fine.
      Databases are better, FileForce and 4th Dimension standard work fine
with Arabic, as does HyperCard. Filemaker II used to be OK for displaying
(not sorting) Arabic, but Filemaker Pro has lost that; another step
backwards.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10275 comp.sys.mac.programmer:12876 comp.sys.mac.misc:13619
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: COMMAND LINE INTERFACE for Macy
From: goblec@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:02:53 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <D88-JWA.92Jul22113712@dront.nada.kth.se>, d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
> Clark Goble
>    MPW does that right now. ... But
>    it doesn't have the features I'd want in a shell.  I'd prefer if someone
>    wrote a C Shell with all the standard utilities.  ie. grep, awk, etc. plus
>    hooks for apple events and mac compressors.
> 
> People, listen up !
> 
> A SHELL is a SHELL. It's used to run tools/utilities; It can
> probably do NOTHING on it's own. That's the way it's under
> UNIX too. The grep, awk, etc tools have been ported to MPW, but
> you will have to install them first before the sehell can run
> them, just as under UNIX.
>

Well yes, I did know that.  I think most people know that.  But when talks
products it generally isn't just the shell you talk about.  The person
wanted a shell and I mentioned MPW.  Would the C Shell be worth anything
without the commands like cd, ls, mv, cp etc?  I know most people I
talk to understand this.  But then MPW does have numerous commands
built in to the shell.  Nevertheless, unless there is a nice source
of command files for MPW that is on the net and PD, the above does
nothing for me.  I can't afford to buy MPW with all the compiliers etc
and convert various Unix commands over.  If you can, fine and dandy.

The stuff you stated appears to me to be akin to giving a person a Mac
with no software and then telling them they can do word processing,
graphics etc.  Until they get the software, the Mac Shell is also
useless.  Actually a better example would be the PC and their various
utilities that can be added 'just like a Mac.'  It is what comes
standard that I can use that counts.

Personally I don't see what the big deal is, or why all the mail.
From: nakamura@samos.semicon.sony.co.jp (Tadashi Nakamura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk on LC
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:34:14 GMT
	<1992Jul24.042421.16953@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Sony corp. System LSI group, Kanagawa, Japan.
In-reply-to: ins712r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au's message of 24 Jul 92 04:24:21 GMT


ins712r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Heng Chiang) writes:
 :sasaki@physics20 (Yutaka Sasaki) writes:
 :: 
 :: Just get latest version of KanjiTalk (6.0.7 or 6.0.7.1).  It will let 
 :: your LCs read and write Japanese!
 :: 
 :
 :Well, how about telling us where you got it from?  Thanks
 :
 :    Heng.

Here is the answer, I think...

I have heard that Developer CD (Feb.92) has what you are looking for,
and that May 92 edition hasn't. The disc also contains other systems
including ChineseTalk and other goodies. This Developer CD thingy 
comes with the magazine "Develop", which you can subscribe from ADPA.

Although, we get the system on floppy disks when we buy the machines,
I have not seen them in any computer stores nor on any ads on the
magazines.

Hope this will point you in the right direction...


--
========================================================
| Tadashi NAKAMURA (nakamura@samos.semicon.sony.co.jp) |
| System LSI Gp., SONY Corp., Atsugi Technology Centre |
+------------------------------------------------------+
|                                   >> NOT <<          |
|    What I say is my own opinion. "It's a Sony"       |
----------------------------------------^---------------
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10210 comp.sys.mac.programmer:12805 comp.sys.mac.misc:13562
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: COMMAND LINE INTERFACE for Macy
From: goblec@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:13:41 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1992Jul19.220913.21077@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
 

> 
> I was thinking it would be nice to have Command Lie Interface for the Mac
> p.s. BTW, is there any utility available that would allow you to do that   
>      (from Finder, for instance)?

MPW does that right now.  Last time I looked at ftp.apple.com they had 3.0
of the shell alone.  It should do these things for you.  The commands are
not given though.  I found a book on MPW and photocopied some sheets.
But the shell uses so much memory that I don't think I'd use it.  Plus
it doesn't have the features I'd want in a shell.  I'd prefer if someone
wrote a C Shell with all the standard utilities.  ie. grep, awk, etc. plus
hooks for apple events and mac compressors.

But still I'd prefer CLI features with a better interface.  But then this
last issue of MacWeek had a preview of Magnet which seems to do all
I want.  I hope it has hooks for calling AppleEvents of other applications
and (hopefully) some standard decompression utilities.

The interface seems to be based on the Find File window in the Finder.  It
gives a list of a few functions but not how you do it.  (Why don't articles
mention the interface.  I love Word's power - but hate the interface, but
no one mentions it in reviews) The scren dump has the find controls and then a
sub panel underneath that has the following...

  FIND:
     Find all files on all mounted disks whose:
     o name contains "ramsey"
     o text inside contains "hard disk"

  ACTION:
     Copy files to folder "Ramsey results" (preserve folder nesting).

  TRIGGERS:
     o Run when "New Dutch City" is mounted
     o Run after 5 minutes of inactivity

Now this really isn't that bad a way of doing things.  I'd still like to know
more.  One great thing is that it will automatically syncronize folders on
Powerboo/Desktop configurations if you want. 

(excuse the typos.  I am writing this on a Vax whose speed reminds me of
editing with a 300Baud modem)
- Clark Goble


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Michael Hecht <Michael_Hecht@mac.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx, VM, 32-bit addressing, & EtherTalk freeze-up
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:31:53 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

In article <4154@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Patrick Haggard,
ph@physiology.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In this case it seemed to be one of my extensions, though, since I 
>could boot by keeping the shift key down.

So could I, because "Extensions off" turns off VM as well. I could also
boot with 32-bit addr. and VM on by switching to LocalTalk.

--Michael

=======================================================================
Michael P. Hecht                 | Internet:  Michael_Hecht@mac.sas.com
SAS Institute Inc.; Cary, NC USA | AppleLink: SAS.HECHT
From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:06:06 GMT
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5


In article <1992Jul21.133842.17627@news.duc.auburn.edu> (comp.sys.mac.system), wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu (Wade Williams) writes:
>Folks, the System-7-Startup-disk fiasco has got to stop!

>Apple's official response on this matter is to "switch disks."  Do you have any
>idea how many disk swaps it would take to finish a run of RevRdist?  What if I
>have a whole lab full of computers to rebuild?  That answer is unacceptable,
>plain and simple.

>Apple has giving us a wonderful operating system with System 7.  But they must
>solve this startup disk problem immediately!  There would be no need for
>complaints if all machines could startup with a System 6 disk, but because some
>machines require System 7, this problem must be solved!

>Apple needs to provide us with some sort of minimal startup disk that provides
>Finder and Chooser services.

The solution to the problem is not to have a more crippled floppy
based system, but to have a larger "floppy disk".  The 800k disks
were current technology in the mid '80s.  The 1.44 MB disks were an
incrimental improvement.

Back in the '80's, it was possible to have, on a single floppy, a
system folder and several applications.  Today, many applications
cannot fit on a single floppy, and 3-4 more are required for all of
the subsudiary files.

Unfortunately, our disk needs have not been increasing incrimentally,
but more geometrically.  What is needed in a new form of floppy disk,
one that can hold a lot more data.  

There are several technologies available to choose from:

2.88 MB floppies:		Same problem next year, too small.
20 MB flopticals:		Same problem 2-3 years from now, still too small.
128 MB 3.5" MO disks:	A solution that will probably last for the
					next 5-7 years.

Personally, I favour the 128 MB disks, but I doubt that they will
be used: too expensive.

But given a 20 MB or 128 MB disk, you could install a full system
7, and several applications.  Once again, it would be possible to
have a floppy based system.

Given the 128 MB disks, technologies such as QuickTime would become
practical, with room for growth.

+C


-------------------------------------------------------------
Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us

"F' cryin' out loud, it's *your* life; shouldn't you at least examine 
your lifestyle values to see if they are really what *you* want."
										--Keith Lim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Minh Lang <minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: ftp'd files won't binhex or anything!
Organization: Jet propulsion Laboratory
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.113305.6945@cerritos.edu> , jacobs@cerritos.edu
writes:
>	I have the same problem with my system. Apparently any file other than
>those in .hqx format are actually a Mac file, even while being
downloaded. This
>even applies to files in MacBinary that all the people with ethernet
cards in
>their Macs love. As far as I know, those of us who have to download
through a
>pc have know other option but to look for files in .hqx, anything else
doesn't
>survive the transfer through an ibm.
>
>If any of you wizards out ther have a solution, please let us know,
>
>Karl

Actually you can download any mac files to your IBMPC and then
transfer them to the Mac with a null modem cable thru the 
serial ports of the PC and Mac by using a communication 
program such as Zterm (or something like Maclink). I am
doing that all the time with compactor, stuffit, bin files
without any problem.

  == Minh ==
From: sasaki@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yutaka Sasaki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ** Can I use KanjiTalk 6.0.2 on IIci ? **
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <9220913.9561@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera) writes:
>I tried to install KJ6.0.2 on IIci but always failed, could not boot the
>disk.
>Do I need KanjiTalk 6.0.7 on IIci ?  Any idea ?
>


Yes, you need KT6.0.7 or later.
KT6.0.2 is the system before SE/30 period.  
Try get new one.


Yutaka Sasaki              (sasaki@physics.berkeley.edu)
From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: my mac slows down after idle time
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:20:03 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <zkessin.711738663@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>, zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac) writes...
>After I leave my mac on for a while (like 8 hr or more). it seems that
>the finder (in the background) will take mabey 30seconds or more to
>redraw the icons on the desktop. Also task swiching also takes
>forever, also coming out afterdark. Anyone know what could be causing
>this???

Do you have a Disk Parker installed?  If so, it might be taking most of those
30 seconds for the drive to spin up again after it has been parked  - which 
would happen only if you leave your machine idle long enough to satisfy
the parker (this is usually an adjustable parameter).

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: Windows NT (Not a flame.)  and C++ comments
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Summary: C++ is not for everything.
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:22:00 GMT

maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
| We hear about how great object-orientation is (and I
|agree completely- I now shudder at the thought of coding in anything but
|C++) but what does object-orientation for OS get you, that a decent C++ API
|to a traditional OS does not?

You are right, OOP is a good thing, but its features certainly can't be
used for everything.  I'd personally shudder at writing a UNIX C compiler
in C++.  What would the objects be?  Would they be function definitions?
Could they feasibly be individual statements where compound statement objects
would have other statement objects?  Yes, you could write it in C++ without
using all the object stuff, but the basic compilation process is too 
algorithmically intensive to bother with objects.  The ++ overhead would
slow down numerous method calls (the way C++ objects are implemented).

The almost-classic example of an OOP application is the object
drawing program.  This type of application lends itself greatly
to OOP.  (A program like MacDraw).

These above questions are exactly what I asked a fellow classmate in my
compiler design class.  We had to write a Pascal compiler using whichever
system we wanted.  I did it straightforwardly in C, and he talked about doing
it in C++.  He didn't turn in a working project.  This has two interpretations:
either the C++ realm was not fit for the project, or his programming skills
weren't fit for the project.  I personally think it was a combination of
the two; he had heard how great C++ is for everything and that he was trying
to make it work, but couldn't get it going.  I think this is more the case
because of what I know about him.  However, I'll never know for sure.


|Will Apple have to face the inevitable, and become a sort of high level
|utility provider company, selling modules for the WinNT kernel that give it
|a decent user interface with all the Mac customizability and ease of use we
|expect?

...or will our BatCorporation escape the wrath and silliness of the computer
industry to remain the leaders they always potrayed themselves as?  
Stay tuned, same battime, same batchannel...


-Brent
-- 
+-------------------------+  Pale Terror trembling guards the fountain's head,
|Brent P. Burton, N5VMG   |  And rouses Fancy on her wakeful bed;
|bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu  |  From realms of viewless spirits tears the veil,
+-------------------------+  And there reveals the unutterable tale. - M. Lewis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: max@eskimo.celestial.com (Max Pinton)
Subject: Re: Fixing trashed font suitcase?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:49:19 GMT

tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane) writes:
: I have several font suitcase files that System 7.0 Finder refuses to
: open (it claims they are damaged).  The files look perfectly OK to
: Suitcase and Font Harmony, though.  Any ideas on what the problem
: is and how I might fix it?

	If you've compressed those fonts with Font/Sound Valet, System 7
finder won't open them. Just decompressing them should make them work.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ddub@uni.ins.com (Dragon Master)
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler or More Disk Space: which to buy?
Organization: International Network Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:47:38 GMT

From article <1992Jul27.145320.18542@rsvl.unisys.com>, by piper@rsvl.unisys.com (Piper Keairnes ):
> max@eskimo.celestial.com (Max Pinton) writes:
> 
>>florianb@chip.tek.com (4516) writes:
>>: Autodoubler seems to have a problem when used with Word 5.0. In View

Try TimesTwo from Golden Triangle - it DOUBLES disk space without
compressing individual files.


-- 
Dan Weisenstein -  Senior Systems Engineer
International Network Services       | E-MAIL:    danw@ins.com
4701 Patrick Henry Drive, Suite 1701 | VOICE:     (408) 496-1400
Santa Clara, CA 95054                | FAX:       (408) 496-1449
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: knguyen@emr.ca (Khanh Kim Nguyen)
Subject: How to put pict on WP5.1
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: emr
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:16:47 GMT

Hi,
 A pict-file is created using (4-bit) Apple scanner. We would like to paste
it on a WP5.1 document on a PC. One suggestion to create ps file ,load it
to PC and work from there doesn't work. Another suggestion of using WP for
Mac and convert it to WP5.1, load it to PC and work from there has some
problem. 
 My question is what I can do to paste that picture on a WP5.1 document
running on PC. Your advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
Khanh Kim, Nguyen
internet : knguyen@emr.ca
cc:mail: knguyen@cc2smtp.emr.ca
bitnet : knguyen@EMRCAN.BITNET
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10201 comp.sys.mac.programmer:12789 comp.sys.mac.misc:13556
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: COMMAND LINE INTERFACE for Mac... ``MPW SHELL''
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:14:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>Someone mailed me about MPW SHELL which is supposed to provide command
>line interface. I downloaded MPW Shell ONLY (i.e. only the mpw shell file
>and NO other file, e.g. 411 files or interface files). Problem is I cant
>figure out how to work MPW Shell. Could someone please give me some help on
>this.

        Well, you wanted a command line interface, you got one, and now you
can't figure out how to use it without the manual.  What were you expecting?
That's how command line interfaces work.  

        You can order the MPW manual from APDA.

					John Nagle
From: piper@rsvl.unisys.com (Piper Keairnes )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler or More Disk Space: which to buy?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:53:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: rsvl.unisys

max@eskimo.celestial.com (Max Pinton) writes:

>florianb@chip.tek.com (4516) writes:
>: Autodoubler seems to have a problem when used with Word 5.0. In View
>: Page Layout mode, the screen keeps refreshing the Word document window.
>: It's VERY annoying.

>	I don't think it's AutoDoubler ... I think it's a new Word 5
>"feature," because it does that to me and I'm not using AutoDoubler. It is
>irritating.

Could it be that you have automatic pagination on? This could cause page
boundaries to change resulting in Page Layout mode having to redraw the
affected (and possibly current) page.

-- 
      Piper Keairnes      *   piper@rsvl.unisys.com     *  Purdue  University
    Unisys Corporation    * uunet!rsvl.unisys.com!piper *   Computing Center
 Site Management Products *   ar4@sage.cc.purdue.edu    *      Consultant
From: eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:36:25 GMT
Subject: IIsi price reduction?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system

  Has anyone heard the rumor that the price of the Mac IIsi & ci will be
dropped in August?  Can anyone confirm this?  If so, when will Apple make an
official announcement and when will the price decrease actually occur?

Thanks.

ESL
HPSAD/MID
ID
@RP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system