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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: Hold that belt! (was Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona?????)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 00:51:40 GMT

In article <5NOV199212411984@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>>  And the last time I looked, the belts were not in the doors.
>>  Perhaps you were thinking of the Lumina/Grand Prix?
>
>I think even the Lumina and Corsica four-doors have sent this design
>to Idea Heaven.  I'd never noticed it (not being much of a GM guy) 
>and certainly never imagined it until I drew a Corsica from the motor
>pool one day.  In my otherwise most comfortable driving position, the
>shoulder harness flapped in my face, making me feel like Moshe Dayan
>with the patch over one eye, or perhaps like someone being attacked 
>by a buzzard perched on the windowsill.  Yep... you guessed it... the
>harness was attached to the inside top rear corner of the door frame,
>perhaps in a vain attempt to compel people to use the thing.
>
>This was in the first few years of these cars.  Sometime around '90 or 
>'91 they figured out that the generous pillar two inches further back 
>might be at once a sturdier and less obtrusive anchor point.

  Nope, my '93 Pontiac catalog still shows the 4 door Grand Prix with
the belts in the doors.  I'd assume the Lumina is the same.  I cant say
for the Corsica as I personally wouldnt be caught dead in one. :-)

>--Joe

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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: How to prevent windshield washer fluid from freezing on the windshield
Keywords: fluid
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:14:54 GMT

sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) says:
>
>Is there something that I can add to the fluid to make sure it does not freeze
>when I spray it on the glass?

I live in MN and have never had a problem.  It's been 30F below zero and the
windshield washer fluid is just fine.  Cold as hell (stuck my hand in it
at 25 below once.  Don't do that!), but fine.  If you're having trouble,
make sure that you don't buy the duluted stuff.  A common brand around
here is Splash.  It's duluted and proably shouldn't be used if you're worried.

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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: AUTOMATICS CAN BE NICE! (Was Re: FLAME
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:22:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.162652.20456@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>>Actually, the car handles fairly decent for its size. It is anything but a
>>cushy ride, I can tell you that. With a little work on the front end, this
>>chasis could be an excellent candidate for a street machine. Just gotta get
>>the money to build it up, first!
>
>I had an '81 Buick Century. It handled like a yacht and blew around in
>crosswinds. Goog thing your car(based on the same platform) sits better
>on the road than that thing(no rear swaybar and abused suspension) did.

Are you sure that the Century is the same platform as an `81 Monte?? I know
that the Regal has the same platform from 1981-1988, as did the Grand Prix
and the Cutlass. Does the Buick Century have the same chasis setup?

>
>>And BTW, a TH350 is NOT a mushy, wobbly, slushbox. Any tranny that can
>>survive for 17 years behind a 350 (of which 3 of those years it was behind
>>a BUILT 350) in the stock configuration is not `slushy`. Ford autos, on the
>>other hand....   :-)
>
>OK, don't laugh now. The best-performing automatic that I have ever owned
>was the modified POWERGLIDE(2-speed) in my '70 Monte Carlo 350 with a
>2-barrel(great low-end torque) and a set of headers/low restriction
>exhaust. Because of this strong-shifting, bulletproof automatic, I
>used to out-accelerate manual CAMAROS because the guys didn't know
>how to launch their cars(they would just spin their wheels) or speed-
>shift. That old Monte would just stay in first up to 75 Mph or until I
>let up on the gas. When I would let up, it would immediately hit second
>and I'd get back into the meaty part of the power curve! 

Very true, many a drag fan has used this trans. But for a car that spends
much of its life on the highway, I like to have the three gears. If this
were a drag car of any sort, maybe a powerglide would do the trick. But for
now, I like the three gears.

Mike

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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: NISSAN'S ALTIMA CHALLENGES ACCORD, TAURUS, CAMRY
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 05:32:31 GMT

In article <69136@cup.portal.com> L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:
>[quoting from news article]
>	   As a performance car, some might find Altima lacking. They could
>also dispute Nissan's claim that its 2.4-liter, four-cylinder engine
>matches a V-6. One Honda driver who sampled the Altima resorted to stealing
>Lloyd Bentsen's line: ``This car is no Honda Accord.''

oh, sure, and i bet the honda driver went on to brag about how
his V-6 accord could show its heels to an M5.
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From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: New Rotary Engine Design 
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:14:19 GMT

[ Cool stuff about new rotary design deleted ]

Good News! Where did you find this material? Although there are advantages
to more rotors, the three rotor design which used a built up eccentric 
shaft seemed kind of hokey for production use. 

Anyone have any ideas why the three rotor was dropped in favour of the
four rotor models for racing? Beyond "more power" that is?

						-ks



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From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata)
Subject: Re: Japan-->US car names
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:40:18 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov4.061325.10050@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:

>The Toyota Crown is a large car, totally inapproriate for the US
>market, although someone managed to import one to Los Angeles.
>(seen in Little Tokyo)

>Toyota also does not import the Starlet anymore, or the Corolla II
>models. 

Tercel belongs to Corolla II models.

>The Corolla Trueno and Sprinters are coupes, with
>differing grilles, etc, analogous to the Taurus/Sable from Ford.

Sprinter is not coupe,but sedan like Corolla.
Their coupe models are Corolla Levin and Sprinter Trueno.
Recently,Toyota also has just made their hardtop models,Corolla
Celes(sp?),and Sprinter Marino.Adding them,Corolla has 2box model,
Corolla FX,and station wagon.

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From: smsriv@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov (Rakesh Srivastava)
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:26:09 GMT

In article <Bx9F3I.53L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>
>It`s funny that you asked this question, because I just heard a lecture
>from someone from DOW chemicals technical services division in one of my
>classes two days ago. He had brought a Saturn door panel with him. During
>the lecture, he threw the panel on the floor with the concave side down,
>and jumped on the panel as hard as he could. When he got off of it and
>picked it up, there was not a scratch on it. I know not of any metal panel
>that could do this. 
>
>Anyway, I would not worry too much about dents and dings.
>
>As for structural integraty, all the body panels really do is give the car
>its looks and make for its aerodynamics. Unlike other automobiles, the
>Saturn has a steel cage frame that simply has the body panels attched to
>it. So assuming this cage frame is structually sound, I would say that the
>car is just as strong as any other car this size. The best comparison I can
>think of is an airplane. An airplane is simply a frame structure that is
>covered with body panels for aerodynamics and looks. Same thing for the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not exactly correct. The panels or the skin of the airplanes are load
carrying members.

Rakesh
smsriv@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov
>Saturn. 
>
>It would be good to here from someone who has owned one, though.
>
>MGM
>
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:41:33 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) says:

>Leather seats seem to be increasingly popular nowadays.  Maybe
>it's because more people are wearing Nikes and Reeboks these days,
>shoes that often contain no leather.  So the cattle industry has
>been forced to find a market for cowhide.
>
>Anyway, what's the verdict on leather?  I've found cloth to be
>much more durable and comfortable than vinyl (or leatherette, as
>pseudo-luxury carmakers call it).  Leather furniture I've sat on
>in the past has always made me sweaty.  Are carseats different?
>Can leather be expected to outlast cloth?  How much maintenance
>does leather require?  I remember reading a thread a few months
>ago concerning leather treatment.  And I never even wash my car!
>
>Thanks,
>Bill

ah..no..i don't like the leather i've sat in..which is odd..cuz i 
LOVE the smell..and i love leather clothes..but..i disliked the
seats, cuz your butt slides too much...i prefer the cloth as well.
but would take leather over vynal any day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
then again, maybe it was just that they weren't recarros..i dunno
DREW
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From: mental@cntrol.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: High-mount Rear Brake Lights
Reply-To: mental@cntrol.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:46:38 GMT


In article <Bx9s9s.KDx@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:

	...stuff deleted...

->And probably rearended right out of the lot by some stupid idiot who can't tell
->the difference between the tail and brake lights.  The High-mounted
->brake light is *VERY* effective in preventing rearend accidents.  I think in
->some experiments (don't know particulars) there was a 60% reduction in rear
->end accidents with the light.  Regs on lights *should* be (IMHO, OC) 
->Halogens/Fogs/Running/TS mandatory in front, Marker/TS mandatory on both front
           ^^^^
->and rear sides, and Separate Brake/Tail and Amber TS/White Reverse in the back.

	Great! Let's get more dillweeds driving around with their fog lights
	on 'cause it 'looks cool'.

	/ken

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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:59:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Restoring a 1962 Porsche 356 Speedster Cab....
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.autos


hello there.  I currently own a 1965 356SC that has been restored.
I did not restore it myself, all the work being done by my father, a 
retired auto-bodyman.  He bought the vehicle in the rolled state from
the original california owner. He used the lead technique instead of bondo
although today's bondo's are fine and dont appear to be like bondo when
it first came out (cracking etc) if applied correctly.  The car body is
in beautiful condition and one cannot tell that the car had ever had a 
dent.  It is painted using original porsche paint, dark blue with restored
interior etc, nardi steering wheel.  The San Jose Mercury news has a 
section on fridays devoted to the car enthusiast and one "Rick Cole-who 
heads of the west coast's largest collector car auction firm" estimates
the increase in value over the next five years for the 356 coupe from 
25k to 32k for a nice car.  A cabriolet or speedster would no doubt command
much higher prices.  A good source of information on buying a 356 might be
the magazine Euopean Car which has an article on buying 356's and is dated
Dec 1991.  You might want to make sure you know what condition the car is
in before buying and where to look for hidden rust etc. which might complicate
the restoration, prolong the time and expense.  Porsche has also recently 
started providing the 356 owner with parts again, through a subsidiary in
the U.S.  I have not seen prices for restoration parts but there are porsche
parts outlets that provide catalogs which will give you an idea of the cost
of restoring your machine.  At first, I was not very interested in the  
356 as it really does look like an upside down bathtub...but over time I 
have learned to really love the look, and to drive it with pride.

I hope I have helped in some way..if nothing else, confirmed your decision
to go with the 356!
:wq

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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Camaro or Daytona?
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 01:32:58 GMT

In article 23752@lgc.com, jlg@zycor.lgc.com () writes:
>>Article 85314 (909 more) in rec.autos:
>>Subject: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona?????
>>Message-ID: <1992Nov3.142608.2695@brandonu.ca>
>>From: $sawchukjr@brandonu.ca
>>Date: 3 Nov 92 14:26:07 CST
>>Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
>>Lines: 13
>>
>>I am thinking of purchasing a brand new car.  I have narrowed it
>>down to either a '92 Chevy Camaro or a '92 Dodge Iroc Daytona.
>>The Iroc Daytona I am looking at only has the 3.0 L V6.
>>As for the Camaro, it would either have a 305 ci V8 or a 3.1 L V6.
>>I think a V6 in a big Camaro would be pretty poor on power, yet
>>good on gas.
>>Anyway, I would like your opinions as to which car would be better,
>>and more importantly, which one would have a higher resale value in
>>about 3 years.  Please E-mail any responses.  It would be greatly
>>appreciated.  Thanks!!!
>>
>>Jason
>
>Third generation Camaros ('82-'92) have never had door mounted
>seatbelts.  Air bags have been standard since 1990.  My opinion
>is get a V8 Camaro.  The power and torque are a whole lot better.
>Of course the TPI 305 (available in Z28) is a whole lot better
>than the TBI 305 in the RS.   However, Z28's cost more and have
>higher insurance.  I have seen some great buys on 305 RS Camaros
>lately.  On the highway gas mileage with my '87 TPI 305 is almost 
>25mpg.  You might also want to consider waiting for the '93 Camaros
>since '92 Camaros might be pretty slim pickings by now.   

Is that 25 MPG with a stick or auto? My (FIREBIRD) Formula gets
27 at 60 Mph in overdrive with the 305 TPI. Oh, sorry...I was using 
IMPERIAL gallons which are larger. Why don't we just use Litres and
avoid confusion?

>If you are at all performance oriented, the Camaro is the way to
>go.  Tons of aftermarket parts are available for the small block
>Chevy and late model Camaros.  Back when I got my '87 TPI IROC-Z
>Camaro, I had first been impressed with the Turbo Daytona which I 
>had the opportunity to drive for a week.  However when it came time 
>to buy my own car, the awesome power, looks, and handling of the 
>TPI powered IROC-Z Camaro won hands down.

You got that right!

>The only reason I would choose the Daytona over the '92 Camaro is 
>if I had to drive the vehicle on slippery (ice, snow) roads.  '93
>Camaros might have traction control and ABS.

Nah, once you get used to the oversteer on slick surfaces it works to
your advantage. You just have to know how to use it to your advantage.
FWD,TC and ABS, Phooey!!!

>
>John Gravell
>
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Torque Monger
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: What do you do when Mitsubishi's Customer Relations says "F*** O**"
Keywords: Diamante
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:38:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cos.bob1.721082283
Distribution: usa
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems


Good luck, sounds like your missybitchy diamond is really a zircon.

:-(

REB
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From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:49:59 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <2AFC3BD1.5428@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>In article <BxAuD9.8E4@cs.uiuc.edu> ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:
>
>>I just had to toss in my .02 here (it's worth what you paid for it).
>
>>I think you should be concerned, lets say your in the middle of
>>no place and get into a wreck.  Then lets say your car (auto) is 
>>flipped but the other car (manual trany) is good to go, and the 
>>other driver is near death...no phone, no C.B., no help...is this
>>the time to learn to drive a manual?
>
>And what if the other "car" is an 18-wheeler? Do I need to learn that,
>too, just in case?

"Omigod, this man's dying, the helicopter's ready and I forgot to get
my helicopter licence! Oh no!"

:-)

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From: phalke@pepper.rutgers.edu (V. Phalke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: cold mornings stalls
Summary: stalling problem
Keywords: sentra 85
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:42:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Here I go again with my regular once-in-six-months posting. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Here is the problem :

        When its cold or I start after couple of days, the car starts
        up fine (high RPM etc.). But sometimes  when  I press the gas
        immediately, instead of the engine revving(sp?) up, it just
        shuts off !! After that it runs at a very low RPM.

        Once the engine becomes warm then it runs fine. (again, not always)

Any clues ? Thanks...

V Phalke
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From: lee@ace.npac.syr.edu (Lee C. Brink)
Subject: Ford F150 & Rangers - Which years to stay away from?
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center - Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:51:51 EST


I looking to buy either a used F150 or a Ranger, and I would like to
hear the opinion of the net.  As with any model, some years are worse than
others.  Which years should I stay away from?

I'm also soliciting opinions on these models in general.  I'm looking
to an optimum balance between load capacity & economy.  Any recommendations
will be greatly appreciated.

    Lee

PS: Is there and FAQ?  If so, where is it, as I scanned the past 1400 
articles and could not find one.

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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:33:39 GMT

In article <1dsuovINN7iu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>...so Porsche designed
>into their new AWD..whatever the call it.system so that it would 
>reduce the understeer

it would induce understeer to counter the oversteer.  i don't think it
is because of one single lawsuit.  it has been a love/hate thing about
911's since the very first one.  porsche decided to use high tech to
deal with the lethal tail.  i've not driven the 964, so i can't say
weather the result was good or bad.  one thing though: i detect a
subtle preference among the rag-writers for the carrera 2. (rwd)

>..the mag said that,even though it
>cannot be turned off, that the system is incompatable with the 
>braking system so that the differentials release completely upon
>braking

any tightly coupled AWD system is fundamentally incompatible with ABS,
because ABS needs independently rotating wheels to sense lockup.  the
release under braking is to allow ABS to work.  all the computer
controlled systems do this, audi, subaru (yes, even the legacy),
porsche, benz.  the wonderful torsen diff. does this mechanically.
the crude viscous couplings that we see in the bmw 325iX, mitsubishis
and a host of other cars, do not, and unpleasant compromises are
necessary, which is why i'm not too great a fan of the 325iX.

>..so..they took it out, tossed it into the turns like a 
>normal porsche, only they lightly touched the brakes, to turn off
>the differentials,

not to turn off the differentials, mind you, but to turn off the
differential *locking*.. in effect you will have a "loosely coupled"
4wd 911, i.e a 911 in which the four wheels can rotate independently
under power.  the 4wd is permanent on the carrera 4.  you cannot 
disconnect it without doing major surgery.

> and they said it drove like a REAL 911 improved..
 
since the differential locking is completely controlled by chips, it
would be interesting to see if anybody will come out with a third
party "handling" chip for the carrera 4.  the fact that there is no
such thing at the present time is an indication of the immense
complexity of the task.  (i have an interview of the porsche engineer
who did the AWD system).  one bug in your program and you're going
tail first into the tree!  :-)


eliot
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