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Subject: Checksums And Non-Dos Dis
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:08:00 +1000

Hi Kevin

    Thanks for the reply. Try downloading a file Gmcrack.*, it sort of gives
 you an idea but nothing specific, it might be of help to you, i don't know.
 From what i can gather the way in is through the boot block, and by emulating
 all the conditions set for the system! Anyway thanks again!

Jazz!!!

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From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A1200????
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:13:16 +1300
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Nov4.140357.164984@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
	bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.030213.13512@bain3.bain.oz.au>, carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
>>	I just got a good price for my A2000, and am READY for the A1200 !!
>
>So, what is an A1200 ?

An AGA '020 based machine to replace the 500..


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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:09:33 GMT

tp924353@gum.canberra.edu.au (Jason Hecker) writes:

>In <1992Nov7.095311.26590@cs.uow.edu.au> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:

>>	The Amiga 4000 is available in Australia. It is selling for $5499 from 
>>Sigmacom in Cronulla, Sydney. Mark Harwood is the person to talk to, and 
>>he says that he gets it into Australia in 14 days. (You have to put a deposit 
>>on it first). It doesn't come with any monitor, but it has the 100 meg IDE
>>drive etc.

Wasn't it a 120M drive ?

>Not having a go at you Gerardo, but $5499 with no monitor is far too
>much.  I wonder what sort of profit he makes on it.....  Also, it is
>obvious he is importing it, so should it go belly up one day, I doubt C=
>Aust. would honour any warranty.  Once C= decide to bring them in, they

Then again, what warranty ? If CBM's so-called warranty is still 3
months, I would give Sigmacom the benefit-of-the-doubt that they would
last that long ;-).
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From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Re: home computer show in melbourne....
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:09:58 GMT

From article <9231422.28710@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller):
> This is kind of a challenge...
> 
> Seeing there is alot of talk about the HCS and amigas etc, i am wondering
> who is going to post the first review of the HCS to this group...
... 
> I will be there friday night and I can have a modem, so i reckon i should be
> the first with all the gossip.. I would like to hear ppls views on the sat
> and sunday as well as i will be out of town..

What is the point?  We all know the specs, there are good reviews and
descriptions already of the 4000 and 1200, the only thing missing is the
$A price and delivery times.

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From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ. (hard disc cafe)
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:52:56 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <thecure.721557277@munagin>, thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious) writes:
> product, etc. If you go to the effort of marketing a product
> in a country, the last thing you want is for someone to get it
> from somewhere else.

Marketing ?  I might have some sympathy with Commodore Australia if they could
be seen to be pushing their products with any vigour. 

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
From: t923335@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (IronEagle)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A4000...we can only dream
Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:39:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

brendan@gu.uwa.edu.au (Brendan Langoulant) writes:

>mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean) writes:

>>Gee-wiz...C= Australia doesn't even know when the A4000 will be
>>released and/or how much it's going to cost, not even a forcasted price. 

>Commodore generally dont sell new machines until the old stock has
>been sold... ie They will probably sell the current stock of A3000's
>before the A4000 will even rate a mention...

I was talking with a retailer of Commodore stuff from the eastern
suburbs of Melb on Saturday about the A4000, and he said that they
have had notice that the 4000 will most likely be arriving before the
end of this year, although he is not sure on the price as of yet...

>Commodore impress me that they can still exist.. I mean, when is the
>last advertisement that you have seen by C=???  Most C= advertising
>comes from the retailers.

>ps. The above views are simply propaganda, and are not rated on any
>facts but that of observation.
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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Mac IIsi/IIci vs Amiga 4000
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:39:40 GMT

In article <1d7ci6INN7t1@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean) writes:
>
>  O.K. fellow amiga owners, here's your chance to stand up for
>  amiga computers. I've decided to sell my A2000 and buy something
>  else with a bit more grunt and better graphics. My obvious choice
>  is the new A4000, a machine I am very attracted to. However, one of
>  friends has suggested I buy a Macintosh instead, say, a
>  Mac IIsi/IIci (For those who don't know much about the IIsi/IIci,
>  they're basically 68030 machines running at about 20/25 MHz with
>  640x480x256 graphics; a MC68882 comes standard with the IIci and is
>  optional with the IIsi; both machines also come with 5 Meg RAM and
>  an 80 Meg Hard Drive). My question to you, my fellow amiga owners,
>  is `which should I buy?'. I know this is probably a dum question to
>  ask in an amiga news group, but I thought `what the heck, amiga
>  owners are honest people, aren't they?. They'll give me an objective
>  answer, won't they?'.

	I don't think you will have a problem deciding at all once you get 
your hands on a mac. Its pretty (how should I put it) shit. Slow
screen updates. Operating system that does the thinking for you
which can be a great pain most of the time. As for the A4000 you get a
68040, and you can emulate a mac faster that the above machines. My
A3000 works great. Runs SYS 7.0 soon to be 7.1 (that has been reprted to work
great) So you can have the best of both world. 

	Hope it helps. 
		George


>
>  Stewart (mclean@cm.deakin.oz.au)
>
>


Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt Crowd)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.022445.25029@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au writes:
>In article 22948@bohra.cpg.oz.au, fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov11.0735> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
>>> But here are some of my views about Sigmacom and all those companies that
>
>>> chooses to import machines from overseas. Furthermore I don't think 
>>> Commodore will stop distributing to Sigmacom. 
>>
>>Really? Look what they did to Hard Disk Cafe!

Sigmacom couldn't give a stuff about Commodore, they get their machines
from AmiTech at just about dealer price.


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From: u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:41:15 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

s915426@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Leanne Taylor) writes:

>copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:


>I have had a quote from bot AmiTech, and Maxwells here in melbourne, and 
>they quoted $4800 (inc Tax) for the 4000 with the 120 MB Drive, 
>2 MB Chip, 4 MB Fast.
>Maxwell's are taking depositss and they will have them early December from 
>Commodore Australia.  They have also said that they are ebing sponsored by CBM at the home computer show, and will have a 4000, AND something else!

Hey guys another interesting fact, Sigmacom and Amitech are the same 
company... they both run out of the same office.....

>>>Then again, what warranty ? If CBM's so-called warranty is still 3
>>>months, I would give Sigmacom the benefit-of-the-doubt that they would
>>>last that long ;-).

Sigmacom should last that long, how else could they afford the massive
ads they have in ACAR every month. I also remember seeing them at the
WOC show in Darling Harbour.. They were selling a lot of stuff....


						Gerardo.


u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au
From: Kevin.Tankard@f550.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Kevin Tankard)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Checksums And Non-Dos Dis
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 04:48:04 +1000

Hi Devon,

DJ>    I would like to pose a question that has puzzled me for some time. How
do
DJ>you get into or past, checksum errors

Use a utility something like QB Tools to correct the errors.

DJ>and/or Non-dos disks.

I would like to know that myself !!

Kevin


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From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A1200????
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:16:58 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Nov5.232711.23125@bain3.bain.oz.au>, carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
> "I have been informed that various computer
> stores across the U.K. are now selling A1200's
> I haven't managed to get much info except that
> it comes with a 68EC020 has the AGA chipset
> and comes with Workbench 3......"

OK, so the A1200 sounds good.  There was no mention of the power supply 
though.  Are they stuck with the same useless bricks ?  And is it expandable 
like the A500, or limited like the A600 ?

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers
From: u894547@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Dr Throb)
Subject: Zeos Computers?
Summary: Does anyone know if Zeos laptops can be purchased locally in Aus?
Keywords: Zeos
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 01:53:15 GMT

I was interested in purchasing a Zeos laptop but as they seem to be primarily
a US mail order firm will my only be to get it from them direct?

O, if i do order it will I be up for any import duties? How much?


Thanks for any help you can give.

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From: Glenn.Brady@f513.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Glenn Brady)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
Subject: IRQs
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 11:04:00 +1000

On 11-03-92 Stuartt Cuthill spake thusly to All :-

SC>Good Morning,
SC>   I've got a problem.
SC>   On my 80286, I am using an inboard 2400bps modem that uses COM3.
SC>   Unfortunately, when I am doing that, any reference to COM1 will 
SC>cause
SC>the computer to lock up.  So, I've had to move my mouse to COM2, but
SC>it's a hassle when using programs that default to COM1.
SC>   I am using an IDE controller card with both COM1 and COM2 jumper
SC>pins, so I can't set the modem to COM1 unless I can find a way 
SC>perhaps
SC>to disable COM1 on the card.
SC>   I believe the problem is due to COM1 and COM3 sharing an IRQ.  
SC>This
SC>problem stops when I switch the modem to COM4, but shows up when I 
SC>then
SC>try to use COM2.
SC>   Any help appreciated!

        Depending on what comms programme you are using, or whether you 
can re-map the system bios (not likely with a '286), you could probably 
use a spare IRQ for com3, say IRQ 7 if it isn't being used by a 
Soundblaster or something. 5 maybe free.

        Telemate allows you to re-map the IRQ, so this would be possible. 

        Another possibility would be to load a FOSSIL driver like X00 that 
allows you to use more than one serial port at a time, up to 4 on a PC or 
8 on a PS/2.

        Windows prefers the modem to be used on COM 1, as do most other 
programmes.

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From: Scott.Pitcher@f367.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Pitcher)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
Subject: Master-slave Config & IDE
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 02:00:00

GL>There is no requirement on which is master and which is slave as far as the
GL>cable goes.   I have two seagate IDE drives running side by side without
GL>hassles.  The only problem with this idea is that some brands will not work
GL>with some others..  so try b4 you buy if possible..

I think that depends on the drives that your running. I've got a 42Meg
Conner CP3000 as master, and a WD AC280? 85Meg as slave . If I swap them
around on the cable, as I did when I was trying to get them working
together, then they don't go!

Scott.

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Request for general information on PCs ...
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:12:27 GMT

In article <frankiel.14.721288580@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> frankiel@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Frankie Lam) writes:
>>Is the 486SX25 a 32 bit or 16 bit machine ? If I intend to run OS2
>>later should I settle for the 386DX or the 486SX ?
>>What am I trading off if I settle for the 386, apart feom the speed of course.
>
>Unlike the 386 CPU, 486SX is exactly like 486DX but with the math
>co-processor disabled. Therefore, it's a 32-bit machine.

	But 386s are 32-bit chips, too! Although 386SXs have only
16-bit data paths, they're definitely 32-bit. 
 
>
>Why OS2? Software developers are putting more efforts to Windows!

	OS/2 is a 32-bit *Operating System*. Solid and nice.
	Win 3.1 is a 16-bit *Operating Environment* that runs on the
top of DOS. (And Win NT will be the 32-bit OS version of MS Windows) 
So, it inherently possesses some of the limitations and disadvantages
of DOS's.  

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From: Scott.Pitcher@f367.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Pitcher)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
Subject: Cheap Aussie Printer
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 01:50:00

JN>>Subject: Re: Cheap Aussie Printer
JN>>From: nunn@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au (JsNO  BAR---NUNN)
JN>>Date: 30 Sep 92 22:54:59 +0900
JN>> Well if there's no Australian printer....anywhere, then that pisses that
JN>>idea up the wall about buy Australian.

JN>You will just have to get used to it.
JN>When did you last see an Australian made TV, video recorder cassette or
JN>CD player?

Yeah, and the blame for the Sell off of Australia lies at the feet of the
incompetent, mindless, fat-cat bureaucrats in Fantasy Land Canberra.

Scott.

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
From: u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp)
Subject: Re: X Terminal emulators
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:24:12 GMT


August 1992 Byte has a review of Desqview/X.  They tried most things with it.

From their summary:

Likes
Industry standard (not proprietary) system; string support for distributed
computing; standard scalable fonts

Dislikes
Weak support for DOS graphics programs; poor remote Windows performance;
no third party application support (as of this writing)

Recommendations
Desqview/X is a stable, standards-based system that fits well into mixed
platform settings

Cheers
John


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From: frankiel@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Frankie Lam)
Subject: Re: Request for general information on PCs ...
Organization: The University of Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:56:20 GMT

>Is the 486SX25 a 32 bit or 16 bit machine ? If I intend to run OS2
>later should I settle for the 386DX or the 486SX ?
>What am I trading off if I settle for the 386, apart feom the speed of course.

Unlike the 386 CPU, 486SX is exactly like 486DX but with the math
co-processor disabled. Therefore, it's a 32-bit machine.

Why OS2? Software developers are putting more efforts to Windows!

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From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
Subject: IBM PC Tute
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:07:10 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia


Hi all, a quick question if I may. I am in the process of writing
a series of articles on "How To Build Your Own IBM Compatible
Personal Computer" to post to my girlfriend. The articles are
a very beginner level tutorial on what makes an IBM PC tick,
what each bit does. How to assemble your own from bits or how
to chose the configuration to suit you. Depending on how I
go I might even get as far as fixing, board level trouble-shooting
etc.)

So, where do you come in? It occured to me that maybe others
like Kerryn might like to learn along too. If so, please post
me a short reply. I guess an appropriate place to post is
alt.computers.ibm-pc? if enough interest is abound.

Replies to me direct please, not too this group.

s

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From: Scott.Pitcher@f367.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Pitcher)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
Subject: Help needed with machine
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 01:40:00

DTL>I am having trouble with a new EGA display card. The computer in question
DTL>is a Quadtel 80286 based machine (HT12 processor and 1 Meg of memory).
DTL>It uses an 8 bit card driving two Segate ST255 hard drives and a 'CA8392'
DTL>AT multi I/O card (IDE port disabled, FDD, 2 COMs ports, a printer port
DTL>and a joy stick port). All works fine with the original CGA card I use.
DTL>Now when I swap the CGA card for the EGA card (a VT 'video technology?'
card
DTL>I get a 'Parity error 2 0000'. This is in 'auto detect' mode. When I set it

Pull the EGA card out, or set it to CGA mode - anything to make the system
work NORMALLY. Go into debug and dump the memory in the C000 -> D000
segment. Take note of any stuff you find - any bytes that don't appear as
'FF' and look for copywrite/signon messages. If you find there is any ROM in
this area, note down it's address, and what it is. Next stick the EGA
card in, and do the same thing. My bet is you will see the EGA ROM from
segment c000 -> c7ff. If you do, and there was another ROM here before,
then you have problems. You will have to find out how to disable/relocate
the conflicting ROMS (if that is the problem). Otherwise - god only knows!

Scott.


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Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc
From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Subject: Re: Request for general information on PCs ...
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:52:59 GMT

In articles (various) stacks of gimboyds wrote

[assorted crap about 386s and 486s deleted]

It is not what you know but how convincing you make
it sound to those who don't know diddley-squat.

One phone call to someone with both data books
(try someone @ Intel, French's Forest) would answer
all these questions and remove from us the sheer
pleasure of hypothesising randomly, with bullshit
and heresay, for months on this subject.

So, please don't make the call to Intel, reading this
crap is too much fun. :-)

The Aboriginal people of this country believe in Bulla.
So do I, Bulla-shit.

stuarta, the *real* stuarta
stuartb, a psuedonym
stuartc, any volunteers?


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