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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: ** Comic Book Collector's Database **
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 07:30:33 EST

nin15b53@merrimack.edu (Ed Greenwood) writes:

> Could anyone offer suggestions for features to be included in a forthcoming
> Comic Book Collector's Database?
> 
> What statistics are of value to Comic Book Enthusiasts?

*Statistics*?  I'm not sure what you mean by this word.  In my database 
listing (designed by myself) I list title, issue number, date, series or 
volume number, company, story title, writer, plot, penciller, inker, 
letterer, colorist, editor, notes (e.g., #1 of 4), keywords (e.g., 
Supergirl if she appears in the story), numbers of that issue I own, 
cover cost (to me, Canadian funds), colelctor's value (if I want to 
sell), and current date.

These are the things which interest me enough to note them.

> 
> Have you seen/purchased Comic Book Collector's software in the past?

No.
> 
> What do you think of what you've seen?

It didn't suit my needs at all.  It seemed to be geared to the commercial 
side of comics collecting, not to the,um, if I may use the word, literary 
side.

> 
> All suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!

Any time.  Good luck

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:43:30 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1993Jan4.205555.10181@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>What a collector's item those pages would be! I forgot to mention that the
>AP news story said that this issue was the first time since JFK's 
>administration that a living President was featured in a Superman comic
>book. 

	Bulldookie.   Both Reagan and Bush have appeared in Super comics.
Reagan appeared in the Legends crossovers. (he issued the executive order
baning heroes) And Bush appeared in the annual with the "slime that ate 
the city." (Adventures Annual #1)
-- 
Rick Jones		"People come back from the dead all the time.  I mean,
albert@bcm.tmc.edu	 I've come back from the dead.  I bet you have to!"
Systems Support Center	"Well... Yes, I have.  But I AM a professional."
Voice: 713-798-7352	       -Rick Jones and Dr Strange, Incredible Hulk #399
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Titans #94
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:21:54 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <C0KL60.HMA@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.223034.8368@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes...
>>Why am I still reading this trash?  Is it because this many years of loyalty
>>can't be shrugged off easily, or is it because #100 is a nice round number?
>
>For the past year or so, I have been wondering about this same thing.

	I am reminded of a quote I heard on the net about the x-men.

	"I quit them ages ago, and I haven't had an urge to light one up
since." - or a something similar.
	I dropped after Total Drek, ahem, Chaos.  It just was soooooo bad.
I had a complete run of Titans from New Teen Titans #1 (which i paid $15
for, and I later saw for a $1 at a con, sigh, kids today).
	For my opinion on New Titans now.  Take all of Elmo's Frothing
At-The-Mouth, and substitute "Titans" for "Legion" and "Wolfman & Peterson"
for "The Biernbaums."  Except, it's somehow worse for the Titans because
the SAME GUY who wrote such wonderful comics, like "Who is Donna Troy",
the Wedding Issue, and the return of Trigon, is now writing excrement like
Total Chaos and Titans Hunt.  
	Sigh^3.
-- 
Rick Jones              "People come back from the dead all the time.  I mean,
albert@bcm.tmc.edu       I've come back from the dead.  I bet you have to!"
Systems Support Center  "Well... Yes, I have.  But I AM a professional."
Voice: 713-798-7352          -Rick Jones and Dr Strange, Incredible Hulk #399
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:37:40 GMT


Actually, I loved the balls of the writer (or letterer) on the PWJ a few
years ago.  He would write:

I kicked the $#!& out of him!"
And 
Get that @$$#0[{!
I always wondered if some of the more ambitious writers were developing a 
simple substite system, for swear words, rather than the look alikes above...
-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...
From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CV Extra : Superman to return in 2 weeks
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:32:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) says:

>In article <1ik7oqINNaeo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine) writes:
>[
>No-one is talking for sure about the clone rumor, but artwork of
>a familiar but faceless Superman has gone out to distributors as
>samples.  Martin Stever of Capital City distribution said that the
>current rumor was "that there will be four clones," Caucasian,
>Hispanic, Asian, and African American, introduced in April.
>]
>
><GGaghhh>!  How tacky and blitheringly pseudo-PC!  I sure as hell hope
>this rumor is false.
>
>Or maybe all 4 look like Michael Jackson <duck> :-)

WCBS newsradio in NYC reported today (Friday, 1/8/93) that
the rumor of 4 $upermen was groundless and that $upes will
be back in April.  I belive the  source was a spokesperson
from DC/Time-Warner.

Take it for what its worth.

-- 
Just this person's view of netlife.

======> mike palij ::  bh929@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:00:19 EST

tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:

> In article <DAN.93Jan8152254@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (
> >  Did people in the dark ages stand around
> >saying "My god, the dark ages are awful"?  No.  There's little reason
> >to assume that in the future, people will be any more self-aware.

As a matter of fact, they did, some of them.  I am always touched by the 
notion of the medieval monk who wrote "frgiscente mundi" in the margin of 
the annals of catastrophes he was writing - "the world is growing cold".  
He wasn't talking about the weather, but about what he saw as the decay 
of civilization.  At the same time, for others (Vikings, Byzantines, for 
example) it was a Golden Age.  It's all in your point of view.

> life of me, I had NO idea how to describe how to do it to him.  I was 
> speaking Modern English, and he was speaking Etruscan. $1200 worth of hardwar

The archaeo-linguists might be interested to hear there's a living 
speaking of Etruscan in our midst!

Seriously, I can feel a lot of sympathy for your brother and even for 
your parents and their VCR.  This is happening to a lot of people, for 
whom these modern miracles are msyteries.

Some people don't understand how to read a comic, either.

Namaste, Elizabeth
From: woods@colossal.Eng.Sun.COM (Don Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hepcats - a clarrifation
Date: 10 Jan 1993 10:40:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: colossal

Andrew Hackard writes:
| Martin ... also wanted me
| to thank the folks who have been waiting patiently (for up to six months)
...
| I don't want to sound like a PR flack, just a satisfied customer.

Well, I'll step in and sound like a DIS-satisfied customer.  About a year
ago there were some postings about Reed Waller (sp?) of Omaha Cat Dancer
fame needing some surgery and being uninsurable, and would people chip in
and help.  I was going to send in a contribution, but then one of the
postings said Double Diamond was offering an Omaha-related print with
proceeds going to Reed.  I knew someone who'd like the print, so I upped
my contribution and sent it to Double Diamond.

That was last February.  I've called Martin many times since then, and
he always assures me the print is on the verge of being mailed out.
As I said, I'm dissatisfied with DD press.
--
--	-- Don Woods.				[*** Generic Disclaimer ***]
--				    ...!sun!woods.eng -or- Woods@Eng.Sun.com
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From: mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu (Mark (MacBear) McConnell)
Subject: Re: Batman-Catwoman marriage (was Sandman: Lucien's Library)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:43:37 MDT

In article <15344.2b4ab882@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> In article <C0F23K.Dp3@world.std.com>, jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer) writes:
>>   The marriage of Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle
> 
> This was done in one of the last issues of Brave and the Bold.  Like
> around issue 198 or so.  It's one of the most powerful Batman
> stories to date.  (It's the Earth 2 Batman and Catwoman though.)
>                             ^^^^^^^

What's Earth 2?  8-)

By the way, has anyone been collecting this list of preferred
book's in Lucien's library.  I would love to see this compiled
set.  (And no, I don't have Lucien's e-mail address, so I can't
ask him for a copy.)

mam
-- 
Mark (Sidewinder) McConnell  | 
mark_m@eclat.uccs.edu        |
mamcconnell@uccs.edu         |
From: root@alba.e-burg.su (Volkov Alexander Nikolaevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Addresses
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:53:14 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: Alba
Reply-To: root@alba.e-burg.su

>   Could someone send me the address of Bud Plant so I can order a
>   catalogue?  Also Kitchen Sink?  Please?
>
>   Namaste,
>   Elizabeth

Maybe, this address is one of answers this question:
--------
Bud Plant Comic Art
P.O.Box 1689
Crass Valley
CA 95945-1689
--------
I didn't use this address, I only found it in my archive...

Alex.
root@alba.e-burg.su
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Quote to remember
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:09:28 GMT

Y'know, I used to think Roy and Dann Thomas were a bit old-fashioned.  After 
all, look at most of what they're known for writing.  But the recent issue of 
Avengers West by them has one of the most devastating double entendre slams 
I've ever seen.
     Setup: after the battle with Ultron from the last few issues, USAgent is 
cleaning up some of the rubble around the compound.  He and Goliath get hostile
and are about to come to blows.  Then Bobbi (who reconciled with Clint last 
ish) steps in and suggests to Clint that there might be better ways to spend 
the afternoon than fighting USAgent.  Clint agrees, and...
     Bobbi: Then what say we go inside -- while U.S.Agent stays here and plays 
with his *rocks*!
     Inspiredly nasty.  In case you don't get it, "rocks" can mean more than 
rubble.  I really don't think any of the racm readers need more of an 
explanation (if you really don't get it, email me...but please no lame joke 
replies).
     Dave Van Domelen, by Jove, Lobdell seems to have figured out the concept 
of "plot".
     P.S.  Is the spelling "Implusion" intentional and I'm missing a joke 
somewhere, or is it just a mispelling?
From: cavers@menudo.uh.edu (Chris M. Cavers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ANOTHER $#%^&#%-ING SPIDERMAN TITLE!?!?!?!?![D
Date: 3 Jan 1993 19:40:12 -0600
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu

Another point, have the Spiderman titles been coming out with more issues
per book in 1992 vs 1980..1991 (i.e. it seems as they have been coming out at
twice a month for quite some time).
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Hepcats
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:44:14 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

Who is the guy that knows Martin Wagner?

Jed
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Request: Fantasy Titles
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:34:12 GMT

omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool):
>Come on guys, no one has mentioned the longest running fantasy
>title around: Conan.  Just cause it's rarely any good is no excuse.

Can you think of a better excuse?
From: herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC:  Showcase '93
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 22:57:20 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Previously lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) wrote:
 
[stuf deleted]
 
>3)  Cyborg:  I used to be a huge Titans fan.  Definitely a past-tense
>statement.  The last time we saw Cyborg, he was brain-dead, more man
>than machine.  This story focuses on the attempt to remedy it and
>suffers from the STUPIDEST computer programming I've seen (and I was a
>pretty poor programmer, myself)  I have to explain this--at the end,
>after a ^L:
 
Well I too was disapointed on what happened to Cyborg. What was the
point? Give his mind back for 5 minutes, and snatch it away again. Big
deal. Why not just kill him and put him out of his misery. What a waste
of paper.
 
--
Herbert Fung                    | "Hard work doesn't make miracles,
Edmonton Remote Systems         |   Miracles just make hard work!"
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada       |       The Herbster! 1988

Herbert Fung              herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: G.I. JOE COMICS
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:15:58 GMT
Reply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

G.I. Joe comic collection for sale.  Will sell single issues or complete.
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:34:49 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


>Nixon (and other fun guys like Liddy, Kissinger and Ford) in WATCHMEN.

Don't forget that in Supervillain Team-Up, I believe, the Fantastic Four
(and the Shroud?) are prevented from kicking the metallic tail of Dr. Doom
once again by none other than Kissinger, who appears on the scene, having
just worked out a peace treaty with Latveria. Personally, I always thought
Doom was almost the reverse of Kissinger... all he had were permanent
enemies, not permanent interests.

"Let me guess. You murdered Napoleon, too."  --Richard Darwin
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #165
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:02:56 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Cerebus #165 is certainly a dense issue.  Lots of things are happening
>and, as usual, we come away with more new questions than new answers. 

What impressed me was the way Dave Sim is playing all of his different
stylistic elements off each other.

[...]

>I'm not sure what to make of the scene with the Judge.  One of the themes
>of the current book appears to be pawns:  The beings who perceive
>themselves as the players aren't nearly as much in control as they think.
>Suenteus Po is another such.  (Now, was his mis-statement really an
>instance of "matriarchal gravitational pull", as Sim states in the letters
>section, or did Sim goof and then decide to make it significant?)

Those two possibilities aren't mutually exclusive, as I'm sure Dave would be
the first to agree.

>The scene with Astoria.  The third panel gave the impression that the
>telepathic conversation was taking place between Astoria and the woman
>next to her.  Is the "what was that?" in the fourth panel a result of that
>woman's surprise that Astoria reverted to speech, or was the conversation
>actually with someone else?  

This was a wonderfully understated joke with the lettering.  The Cirinist was
"sending" to Astoria; she replied in speech.  At the end of her speech, there's
a tiny (and empty) "telepathy"-balloon; thus "Sorry, just thinking out loud."

Lots of different levels of humor this issue, from slapstick to structural...

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"You're just the sort of person I imagined marrying, when I was little...
..except, y'know, not green...
...and without all the patches of fungus."	-- Abby Cable, _Swamp_Thing_
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:30:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Jed Bowtell (jed@matilda.vut.edu.au) writes:

>I just saw issue 17 [of the Desert Peach] (I think) today and looked at it.
>That type of comic just doesn't do anything for me. Was issue
>17 a particularly strange issue?

Was it the continued plotlines (this wraps up several previous ones), the
sexual orientation of the lead character, the woodblock-style artwork, or
what.  The first of these can be resolved by judicious acquisition of recent
back issues (especially, I believe, 10, 13, and 15), and purchase of the
trade paperback collection of #4-6.  The third is something you'll have to
get used to.  The second is something you'll have to get over, or move to
Colorado.

>I also picked up the 2nd printing of A Distant Soil today and
>I enjoyed it. I'll have to hunt down issue two now. I should
>be cutting down on comics not picking more up.

No, you should be replacing comics that don't interest you with ones that
do.  Now that there's no Superman titles for a few months, you have excess
funds.  And you may find that you don't really miss the titles you don't buy.
(That's the sure proof, isn't: I dropped the X-men titles and Doom Patrol as a
test of the theory; I came back to Doom Patrol, but X-Men and Uncanny X-Men
are long gone.)

------------------------------
                             |     "What's that noise?" I asked Val.  "Sounds
Jim Drew                     | like an electric razor."
jrd@frame.com                |     "Ron's shaving," I was told.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Shaving?  Ron?  The guy who thinks everyone
"Innocent, but not naive."   | would look better with a beard, even Madonna?"
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "Who said anything about shaving his
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *beard?*" Val said, and scratched idly at his
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | chest.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:40:43 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: alice.cs.purdue.edu

jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:
>>John Switzer (jrs@netcom.com) wrote:
>>: I saw an AP wire story that quoted someone from DC who admitted that they
>>: were gambling Clinton was going to be President...
>>How do you figure?  If they went by polls alone, they'd have been
>>right, especially since the lead time put the deadline right around
>>the time when Clinton's lead was really solid.
>In retrospect that's true, but there have been a LOT of "solid" leads
>that wafted away by the time of the election. I just suspect that there
>was some nail biting at DC because in addition to the usual election 
>nail bitings, the DC editors knew they'd end up with major egg on their faces
>if Clinton didn't win. (P.S. "tongue in cheek" is applicable to this 
>whole discussion.)

Who's to say that they didn't have pages prepared with the
appropriate president on the page in question?  Several years ago
with the 900-number-Robin (Death in the Family) storyline, they had
two scripts prepared for each possible outcome.  All they had to do
was substitute the appropriate changes when the outcome is
more-or-less assured.  Granted, it was a gamble, but not as much as
people are making it out to be.

  ______   Jim Berninger: berninge@cs.purdue.edu  |     Hate is not     ______
  \ \  /     Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire    |   a Family Value.   \ \  /
   \/\/   "I don't *wanna* play Leona Helmsley!"  | - - - - - - - - - -  \/\/
    \/        -- Elmyra Duff, Tiny Toons Xmas     |  Boycott Colorado.    \/
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Ways around Supes' invulnerability?(was re:cloning)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:54:34 GMT

Run Superman's fingernail over his skin or the inside of his mouth.
Run Superman's tongue over his teeth.
Pick flesh samples off of Doomsday's fists.
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: How much should we buy?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:25:12 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla

In article <1ik2alINN6tq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
> The Previews of Animal Man + Swamp Thing were just
> superheros + angst.  

Have you been reading Animal man recently ? Jamie Delano (of Hellblazer fame) 
took over Animal man a few months ago and took it on a rather dark complicated
storyline called "Flesh and Blood" which has Buddy being killed and making
his way up the evolutionary ladder back to the human form.

To my mind Jamie Delano is an excellent writer, one of the best around. People
who have read the Hellblazer original sins TPB should agree with that. His last
issues of Hellblazer werent all that good, but in general, I've been impressed
by his writing. 

Animal Man under Delano is not a superhero comic, let alone a conventional
superhero comic. There was lots of good stuff, but the thing I liked best was
the concept of the afterlife presented here, as well as some of the ideas of
the lifeweb. This is a far more athestic version of afterlife than seen in Hell-
blazer or Sandman.

Oh, yes, the latest issue, #56 of Animal man which contains the last two chapters
of this saga seemed to sell out pretty fast in these parts. I had to visit 4
stores before I could find it. Whether its popularity increase was because of the
Vertigo tie-in or not I dont know. 

Abhijit

PS : I also seem to remember reading that Grant Morrison is doing another Animal 
Man storyline soon in the comic. That should whet reader's appetites. 
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