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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Technological history and Progress
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:44:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep2.011758.45735@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jws7@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEFF W SCHRAMM) writes:
>
>    Greetings,
>
>    I am interested to know the feelings on technology and the concept of
>    progress.  There is some debate as to whether Technology drives progress
>    or vice versa and also if any or all of it was worth it.


    School's back in session!

    I think we all have a pretty good idea of what is meant by "technology",
    but what does the poster mean by "progress"?   We can't really have an
    intelligent discussion on this topic without clearer definitions.

    
>    Also did it all really start at good old Coalbrookdale as is the prevailing
>    opinion? 

    Did WHAT all really start at Coalbrookdale?    Nothing of a technological
    nature ever "all really starts" at any place or time.  Everything is built
    on other antecedent events, needs, discoveries, insights, and circumstances.
    
    
>    And finally, If technology was able to do so much in the immediate post
>    WW II era (Apollo, Automobiles, Aricraft, Nuclear Energy, Etc.) Why has
>    technology seemed to fail us in recent years( Challenger, Automobiles,
>    Environmental concerns, etc.)?

    Does anybody have any idea what this poster is babbling about?   Is he
    saying that there were never failures of technology in the past?   I
    supppose he has never heard of the Titanic, the Hindenburg, the Nashville
    trainwreck of 1918, etc?    How does he think these postings travel all
    over the world: smoke signals?   Today he can hop on an airplane in 
    Loss Angeles and be in Sydney, Australia 14 hours later, transported
    by a craft of extraordinary technological wonder, comfort, and safety.
    Today he can carry a laptop computer to class with more computing
    horsepower in it than existed *in the world* at the end of WWII.
    Today we can create wholly new lifeforms in the laboratory; we can 
    take genes from fish and insert them into tomatoes to make fruit that
    doesn't rot; we can insert new genes into humans to fight disease or
    correct congenital defects.  Modern cars produce *far* less pollution
    and use less energy than cars at the end of WWII.   Et CETERA!
 
    The technology hasn't "failed us"; it just keeps getting better.  
    What has changed is that we no longer have a religious faith that
    technology will save us from ourselves.  We have learned that technology
    is merely tools and that it's up to us to use those tools to good
    advantage.  This is is the first step to gaining wisdom.


---peter


Newsgroups: soc.history
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: divide this newsgroup
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:03:21 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug28.135434.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:

+>In article <visser.715032436@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
+>> 	If anyone seriously wants to cause Multu some trouble, send letters
+>> to the turkish embassy saying that he an embarissment to turks, hurting
+>> the image of turks/turkey on a very large electronic network and causing 
+>> people to think that any "history" other than the armenian history of their
+>> common conflict is "crazy".  Be sure to mention Amhet Cosar as being involved
+>> as well in producing the material.

+>Why is that going to do any good?  Are they going to assassinate him? === Al

	If as some suspect he is getting paid by someone to do his duty,
this might cause something to happen.  If he is a turkish citizen, perhaps
they will call him home for "consultations".

	I dont know that it would do any good, but who knows.  Its effectivness
is predicated on the Multu really have ties to the turkish government which
cannot be proven.
From: de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Dieppe
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:07:50 GMT
Reply-To: de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <1992Aug25.151652.2541@sniap.mchp.sni.de> Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann) writes:
>The author states the theory that the true "top-secret" reason for the
>raid was sort of a follow-up operation to the St.Nazaire raid. At Dieppe
>the German forces had installed a new guiding and locating system - 
>pre-radar, so to speak. It seemed as if the Anglo-American radar research
>was in a fix, and they had the impression that the Germans had developed
>something (some Magnetron thingy) that would solve their problems, but the
>Germans employed it in a wrong fashion.

I have read this theory also, but have refrained from posting about it. 
The book I found this in was "A Man called Intrepid", and it is generally
thought here on soc.history that the book is more fiction than history.
A different source would be better.

>So all the troops disembarked basically to allow one man - a Jew!

I assume that your mention of the expert's ethnic group has to do with the
irony of the situation rather than any bigotry?

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Newsgroups: soc.history,soc.culture.japan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2)
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:06:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.history

As quoted from <11891@optilink.UUCP> by cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer):

> In article <1992Aug21.180605.6076@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
> > In article <Bt9JuD.KAJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:

> Hmmm.  From what I've read, the Koreans were always regarded as a
> lower class of human by the Japanese.

Try Ienaga Saburo's "The Pacific War".  It's includes and excellent treatment
of pre-war Japanese attitudes toward other Asians.

> # attempted to annex Manchuria (again, Asians lived there). Their attacks on 
> # the British, French, and Dutch possesions didn't occur until well after those
> # nations had their hands full with the Germans. Harldy indicates that the war,
> # so far as the Japanese were concerned, had any idealogical aspects beyond
> # real politik.
> 
> I think it's a mistake to ignore Japanese attitudes about racial
> superiority.  Without them, the ideological justification for the
> land grab in Asian might have been considerably less effective.

Also try "War Without Mercy".  Forget the author.  An EXCELLENT analysis of 
the racial component of the Pacific War from all sides.  It includes info.
on conditions and interactions of Black servicemen in the Pacific and India/
Burma.  I consider it indispensable.


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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.history,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2)
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:33:13 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Aug21.180605.6076@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
> In article <Bt9JuD.KAJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
# #Ain't that the truth, Abba.  Noticed your thread, and thought I'd throw in
# #a side bit of info, in case you didn't already know it.  Seems the Japanese
# #petitioned the League of Nations to remove a part of their charter which
# #referred to Asians as "inferior races".  The League refused.  The Japanese
# #left the League shortly thereafter.  For an excellent overview of the 
# #Pacific war as a race war, read John Dwyer's "War without Mercy" - it
# #changed the way I looked at the whole theatre of operations.  Combine his
# #evidence with what we already know about biology-as-destiny in the Third
# #Reich, and the whole damn thing gets very scary in a radically new way.
# 
# Why? It's difficult to see the Pacific War as a "race war". After all, the
# Japanese attacked, subjugated, and attempted to eradicate the culture of
# Korea, and last I checked, they are of the same race (in fact, the Japanese
# Royal family is most likely descended from Korean nobility). They then

Hmmm.  From what I've read, the Koreans were always regarded as a
lower class of human by the Japanese.

# attempted to annex Manchuria (again, Asians lived there). Their attacks on 
# the British, French, and Dutch possesions didn't occur until well after those
# nations had their hands full with the Germans. Harldy indicates that the war,
# so far as the Japanese were concerned, had any idealogical aspects beyond
# real politik.

I think it's a mistake to ignore Japanese attitudes about racial
superiority.  Without them, the ideological justification for the
land grab in Asian might have been considerably less effective.

# Mike
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Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
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From: mludwig@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("Michael S. Ludwig")
Subject: Tips on using soc.net-people [l.m. 31/08/92]
Expires: +2weeks
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:55:38 GMT

Soc.net-people is a newsgroup for various postings about particular people.
It is mostly used to look for old friends that you have lost track of, but
it can also be used for several other types of posts, like announcements of
personal events (e.g. an obituary or a class reunion) and queries for an
address (e-mail or otherwise) for a particular site.  Most of the time,
replies are done through e-mail, so if someone else posts a query for
information that you also would like, usually the best thing to do is e-mail
the person who made the query and ask that person to send you the
information that he/she gets.

If the phone number of the person or site that you are trying to get in
contact with would be good enough, you should consider calling directory
assistance first, which in the U.S. and Canada is 411 or 555-1212 within
your area code, (xxx)555-1212 to another area code; check the front of your
phone book to make sure that these numbers are correct for where you live.
Alternatively, you can get the postal address and phone number of almost
anyone in the U.S. and Canada by calling a company called Superbureau at
(800)541-6821.

If you will post to look for someone, or an address for a particular site,
then your best strategy is as suggested in a post from mid-February of 1991.
Dan Schneider asked people who had posted to this group looking for someone
to tell him if they were successful or not.  The results of Dan's "survey"
was as follows :

=> In nearly all successes, the seeker knew the name of the
=> organization or school where the seekee was located.
=> Apparently there is a fairly decent chance that *someone*
=> at the school or organization reads SNP religiously and will
=> assist by taking a minute out and fingering the lost person
=> or glancing in a directory.

Cary Timar responded that this meant people should put the name and last
known location of the person in the subject line, so that people who only
scan the subject lines of the articles can easily decide which to read and
which to junk.  Cary gave four examples :

=        Subject: Vanderbilt - Cary Timar
=        Subject: Vanderbilt - general
=        Subject: Nashville (I think): John Smith
=        Subject: Tennessee somewhere: John Smith

If you have a more general question, such as other tips that apply to
posting to any newsgroup or the meanings of certain abbreviations that often
appear in messages, you should read the newsgroup news.announce.newusers to
see if it is answered there before sending the question to soc.net-people or
another newsgroup.


Michael Ludwig
mludwig@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

This is the last time I will post this message.  The next copy of this
message will be posted by Sridhar Venkataraman, an e-mail address (the one
I've been using) being sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu.  The frequency of this
message will also change, from every two weeks to twice a month.
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: Thomas.Retkowski <Thomas.Retkowski@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Heather Haak
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 13:16:34 GMT

Can anyone at UW-Milwaukee or Madison tell me if a Heather Haak is going to
school there?

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Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: magazine
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:23:13 GMT

Is there a magazine, column in a periodical, etc. with regular news about com-puter net discusion groups or, wider, about the various activities, resources, 
etc on all the various nets. Is there a list of the various nets, with their
activities, etc.?
Newsgroups: soc.net-people,alt.folklore.urban
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Email address of Cecil Adams (Columnist/Author)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:55:35 GMT

In article <TROCH.92Aug23171822@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU> troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch) writes:
>Does anyone know if Cecil Adams has an email account anywhere?

Myself, I'd look for Ed Zotti.

>Cecil has a syndicated newspaper column title "The Straight Dope"
>and he has also published two volumes of his column titled
>respectably "The Straight Dope" and "More of The Straight Dope"
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             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
Xref: sparky soc.net-people:1070 alt.folklore.urban:21937 alt.religion.kibology:3591
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Email address of Cecil Adams (Columnist/Author)
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:09:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Aug23.225535.22704@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <TROCH.92Aug23171822@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU> troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch) writes:
>>Does anyone know if Cecil Adams has an email account anywhere?
>
>Myself, I'd look for Ed Zotti.
>
Hey, does anyone know Kibo's e-mail address?

>>Cecil has a syndicated newspaper column title "The Straight Dope"
>>and he has also published two volumes of his column titled
>>respectably "The Straight Dope" and "More of The Straight Dope"
Newsgroups: soc.net-people,rec.music.classical,alt.california,alt.great-lakes,misc.misc
From: siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper)
Subject: Looking for Raffi Kasparian
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:17:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I'm trying to find a friend who attended University of Michigan School
of Music between the years 1985-1987, and then went on to post-graduate
study in Ohio (possibly Cleveland). His name is Raffi Kasparian, he is
originally from Chatsworth, California, and he is a classical pianist.

If you have any information, please ask him to contact me, or please
let me know how to contact him. My email address is:

siobhan@microsoft.UUCP

Thanks!
From: U15050@uicvm.uic.edu (Wayne Holly)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: E-mail to Presidential Candidates
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:09:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92246.120926U15050
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I know that Bill Clinton's campaign can be contacted at

75300.3115@compuserve.com, but what about George Bush?  Does his
campaign have an e-mail address?
From: wa303@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (Joseph C Glennon)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: anyone listening in moscow, relay message?
Keywords: hello moscow
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:50:52 GMT

if anyone is reading this in Moscow Russia, and is willing to
contact a friend to relay messages, please reply via email.

Thank you,
Joe Glennon    = jglennon@ucsd.edu   or sdcsvax!sdcc12!wa303


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  jglennon@ucsd.edu  or sdcsvax!sdcc12!wa303

Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: dir/groups/all
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:40:33 GMT

I want to see the list of all NEWS groups so I sent  <dir/groups/all>. Howeverthe display stopped at alt.z(something. How can I get it to continue?
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Looking for Suzie Paik
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:18:29 GMT

I looking for a Sizie (Yvonne) Paik who went to San Jose, lived in SF. Studied
Engineering and probably working in business related field right now either in
CA or East Coast... Just wanted too say hi if she had access to internet..

-- 
Richard Park
From: mbernard@fpa5.Germany.Sun.COM (Michael Bernard - Sun Germany Finance - Munich)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: ADRESS - Uni of Oxford, Mississippi
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:47:14 GMT
Reply-To: mbernard@fpa5.Germany.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.



Hello!

Does anybody out there know if the University of Oxford, Mississippi does have an 
email-address?

A friend of mine is studying there at the moment and I would like to communicate with him via email.

Thanx in advance,
regards

Michael
From: sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: John Perla-are you out there?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:54:49 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu


     I suspect that John is out there somewhere, still playing
with computers.......Last I heard, he was in Florida, working
for a company that makes printers (but my memory is fuzzy)

     Hope to hear from you, or obtain an email address!


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From: doug@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (Doug Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Norwich (NY) High, Class of 1968
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:05:03 GMT
Reply-To: doug@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com
Organization: General Electric

Any classmates on the net? Looking forward to renewing old
relationships before/during/after next year's 25th reunion.


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From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Chip Dorosz search
Summary: Rice, then San Diego, now George Mason U.?
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:39:57 GMT
Organization: LBJ School of Public Affairs, U. of Texas, Austin, Texas.

Anyone who know the whereabouts of Chip Dorosz, please let me know.  We were
Roommates at Rice, and I can't find him anywhere.  He owes me a dollar.

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Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: acyoung@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Aaron C. Young)
Subject: US Army|29Y SatCom|Fort Gordon|Taegu Korea|Ft. Detrick people
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 01:09:56 EDT


Hello all,

I am looking for any information that would lead me to find some of the
people I went through Fort Gordon, GA Satellite Communications training
and those I worked with at Fort Detrick Maryland.

In particular:

John Georges	- Probably in California working for a communications firm
Mike Mullineaux	- Last heard going to Californina to work for a commtns firm
Del Delatorre	- Last heard going to college in Cal.
Joe Steffen	- No clue...he was a crazy dude.
Mike Smiley	- He owes me money...probably rotting in Wisconsin.
Mark Ginevan	- Last heard attending Naval Engineering school in Cali.
Todd Velasko	- Ran off to Atlanta with a babe.  Probably doing communcations
		  work for someone.
Brent Starr	- Last heard flying helicopters in Korea.

If you know any of these fellows, let me know.  I can be reached via
e-mail obviously or by using the following:

Phone	(315) 469-5232	or work (315) 443-3995
US Mail	P.O. Box 211
	Syracuse, New York 13215 

Any info woudl be great.  Thanks!

Aaron
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From:  besr@sepro.odessa.ua (Anatoly K. Bezrodnyh)
Subject: Help me to connect with specialists in the flexible ceramics
Reply-To: besr@sepro.odessa.ua
Organization: Sepros Corp. Int.
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 16:47:38 +0300 

I'd like to establish a connection with specialists in the flexible
ceramics.

We elaborated the technology for the receipt of the ultra-dispersion
powders of oxides of aluminum, zirconium, iron and synthetic shpinel
(size < 0.1 micron ).

If you are interested in the subject or know a person who is, please
connect with me on E-Mail (Relcom via Internet) besr@sepro.odessa.ua
or
Post. UKRAINE,270088,Odessa, box No.256
Tel.  (7-048)2.450143
      (7-048)2.269775
Fax.  (7-048)2.269774
Telex. 232153 ORLAN SU

Thanks in advance,
Anatoly Bezrodnykh
From: kipp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (carl.r.kipp)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Jeff Cass - Belleville, Ontario & U. of Waterloo (?)
Summary: Where are you, my friend?
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:28:07 GMT
Followup-To: c.r.kipp@att.com
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Anybody out there know the whereabouts of Jeff Cass?  He was my roommate
at General Motors Institute but I've since lost contact with him.  He was
originally from Belleville, Ontario where he lived on Dufferin Ave.
When he left GMI, I think he went to the University of Waterloo but I can't
remember for sure.  He had married Leslie Farmer who was also originally
from Belleville.

Please notify me if you know Jeff.  He was a good friend and I'd like
to find him again.

Thanks,

		Carl Kipp
		c.r.kipp@att.com
Newsgroups: soc.net-people