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From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Emergency Dismount (was:  What to do about fear)
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:56:03
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In-reply-to: wcollins@netcom.com's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:00:27 GMT


wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins) writes:
] I was taught that one should always try to keep a hold of the reins
] even if you decide to bail out or fall off.  I think the idea was
] that at least the horse didn't get loose.  However, recently I've
] been questioning the wisdom of this.  Catching a loose horse is a
] pain if they don't want to be caught, but I think safety should be
] the primary concern.  I htink that holding on to the reins might
] make the rider more likely to be drug on the ground by the horse.
] Of course, if that started to happen, you could just let go, but what
] if you'd gotten tangled in the reins somehow?  If you hit the ground
] rolling, it doens't seem unlikely that a rein could get wrapped
] around your hand or wrist.  Also, holding onto the reins limits
] your ability to get away from the horse and stay out from underneath
] it.

Personal experience : my wife got her hands tangled in the reins
during an unplanned dismount once, and the shock when the horse
hit the end of the reins tore some tendons in her back. Tendon
injuries never mend back to the strength of the original, and
my wife has had chronic back problems ever since that accident.

So my own opinion is : drop the reins.
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From: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Subject: readers bio
Reply-To: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:37:37 EST


My wife has a 7yr TB gielding, which she has owned since he was 4. He is
a bay with black points. He does dressage, side-saddle, jumping, enjoys
hacks and is now being broke to harness.
She has been riding for about 6 yr , but had a bad accident (horse related)
in the fall of 91, and is trying to get back to where she was then.

I've been riding for 26 months, in dressage. I've tried some jumping
but I don't find the forward seat comfortable. I've been in three shows
and have got two seconds at the last one. I sold my first horse,Gypsy, a
14 yr Quarter/arab.

My  next horse I had was a registered 10 yr TB geilding, who has done
basic dressage, hunted and jumped. He was lame after about two months
that we owned him. It turned out to be protozoel myeloencephalitis,
which there is no test for. No matter how much tranquilizer he would
be on, he would always be in pain.
He was put down Dec. 13, 92 .

Jan. 20, 92, we purchased Trooper. He's a clydesdale/throughbred, 16.1
H.H., 3 yr old in March. Has been ground driven and green broke to
saddle. We want to restart his training, so there will be no riding for
at least a year, but will work on driving (with hopes of getting a
cart), and lunging. I guess I have to get in shape so I can run with
him. :(   :)

Carolyn & Monterey Baye (Monte')
Jeffrey & Trooper
The cats - Laurel and Hardy
and gone but not forgotten - The dog ; Shaun
                           - The cats Shaunne, Zackery, Squeaky
                           - The horses - Gypsy (Kricket), Calypso

TTYL

                                                  Jeffrey

 * DeLuxe2 1.26b #11882 * You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it jump.
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From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: comment on low head carriage and bad equitation now popular
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:46:10 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan21.214034.26706@cas.org>, mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:
> In article <1jkjd9INN7gk@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze) writes:
> |> Since we have rainy weather I have loaded up on all the free horse
> |> magazines and newspapers.  Maybe someone can explain something.  All
> |> the big full page ads for Stallions and trained Quarter horses
> |> typically have a photo of the horse in the show ring.  Horse has his
> |> head down to the bottom of his chest, rider is sitting very
> |> slouched, with his legs and feet well forward of his seat.  This
> |> loks like very poor equitation to me (this is western), and I
> |> thought AQHA was getting away from low head carriages.  There is
> |> often another photo of the same horse being ridden hunt seat, again
> |> with the same really low head carriage (now this looks REALLY
> |> stupid-the horse doesn't look like he is on the bit at all), and
> |> again, the rider has very rounded shoulders.
> |> What gives?
> |> 
> |> Karen
> 
> I hope that maybe all the free horse magazines and newspapers you've
> stocked up on are at least a couple years old.  :^)
> 
> Otherwise, it's still a case of the breed registries having made the
> rule changes, but the folks that are out there getting their pictures
> taken haven't bothered to read about the changes (or haven't bothered
> to learn how to do it correctly).
> 
> Or, maybe, well, we can hope this might be the case--the class is over
> and the horse and rider are just relaxing ???  (No such luck?)
> 
> Mary Lee
> Ravenswood Apps

One other thing, people can put anything they want in an ad.  So, often
they use some old photo from when head carriage was lower.  If the stallion
is retired to stud, maybe they don't have any recent shots of him with
out the hay belly and shaggy head.

This reminds me of the photo of an Appy stallion I saw advertised some
years ago.  He was a Secretariat son or grandson, I forget which.  Absolutely
the *UGLIEST* horse I've ever seen in my entire life, piggie eyes, knock-
kneed, cow-hocked, ewe-necked, roman-nosed, totally aweful.  But his
owners obviously thought he was the most gorgeous horse in the world,
they had him all polished up and posed in an arch of flowers..... It
was so pathetic..... and funny.......

Sue
From: bigrasl@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: HORSE toys
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:50:23 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

My horse has an old bleach botttle with some pebbles in it for noise and
it is tied by the handle to a tree branch. She loves banging this around.
She also likes to play with a large rubber ball.
	Lydia & Oriah Dawn (7 and still a filly at heart)
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From: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Re: western saddles
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:34:00 GMT
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Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 

twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)

TV | I have 2 Fallis saddles that I bought new about 12 or so years ago.
TV | They have a flat seat and the stirrups are hung more forward than on
TV | conventional western saddles.  Where a conventional western saddle
TV | drives you back into the cantle, the flat seat of the Fallis promotes a
TV | sound forward seat.  Hence the name 'Balanced Ride'.  The rigging is a
TV | really neat 3 point setup that prevents building up many layers of
TV | latigo under your leg.  Once you get used to these saddles, a
TV | conventional western saddle with a built-up seat feels like something
TV | from hell.  The saddle was originally designed by Monte Foreman,
TV | legendary western horseman, trainer, and teacher.

Monte Foreman designed his Balanced Ride saddle to mimic the seat of a 
dressage saddle.  I vaguely remember hearing him speak at a clinic years 
ago and recall him saying he used an old military model dressage saddle 
as a model.  I also recall that the stirrups are hung more to the rear 
than on a regular Western saddle, to help avoid "water-ski" leg 
positioning.  I was fortunate to have been able to try one at his clinic 
and found it very comfortable, although I'll stick with my Stubben, 
thank you.  I also remember that Tex-Tan made a licensed inexpensive 
imitation of the Fallis for a few years.

steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King)
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Subject: DRESS RIDING BOOTS FOR SALE
From: <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:37:15 EST
Organization: Penn State University

  I have a brand new pair of dress riding boots for sale (worn once, decided
they were not the right size).  They are tall black with spanish tops.  As I
said they are dress boots (no laces).  They are Telfords, size 8 Slim, nice
boots.  I will sell them for $100, plus shipping if not local.  Please EMAIL
any inquiries, as I don't get to read rec.equestrian every day.  My address
is: KAB137.psuvm.psu.edu.

-=Kymberlie=-
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From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Spooking and Liability
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:15:49 GMT
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One of my coworkers owns a horse.  The horse was kept at their house.
Their homeowner's policy covered damages due to the horse (I don't
know about auto accidents.)  They sold the house and bought a new house.
However, the horse stayed at the old house, effectively boarded under the care
of the new owners.  He had to search high and low for an insurance
company in Massachusetts that would cover the horse on his homeowners
policy now that it was no longer on his property.  Moral:  don't
assume your homeowner's policy covers a horse that is boarded.

Linda B. Merims
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Still on quest for Hage number
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:11:36 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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To those of you who posted me the number of Hage from the original
posting, thanks so much.  However, that number, 512-895-2232 is out
of service.  I am about to give up on this Hage stuff-there is no
listing in Information and the number of not correct.  Does anyone
out there have a way to get in touch with them?

Thanks
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Coincidences and such like ..
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:12:26 GMT
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Sonya Paetzel (ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:

: That's pretty neat Graham.
: Several months ago after i posted a message, I got an e-mail
: from a girl who I used to ride with at the boarding barn we
: kept our horses at.  We lost touch for about 10 years until
: she noticed my post. Pretty small world, huh?
: Soja
: oopps!
: SoNja

That's pretty much how I ended up in Michigan.  I ran into an old
boyfriend who has his own company, which Dan now works for. :)  

The electronic world is very small. :)

Karen
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Paddling
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:04:18 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1jl55sINN2vc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, cindyp@wilkins.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Cindy Petermann) writes:
> 
> I'm a beginner looking at a 10 yr old mare to buy for hunter/jumper.
> She paddles with her left front leg.
> 
> Should I be concerned about this?  
> 
> Any info/comments appreciated!
 
> Cindy

>problem to him and he was an A-grade showjumper. IMHO, paddling would not
>stop me buying a horse except under the following conditions:
>1. it was due to poor conformation
>2. a vet or chiropracter suggested it was due to a recurring problem with its
>   back or shoulder etc.
>3. the horse knocked its other leg
>4. I wanted to do competitive dressage with the horse.
>
>- Ross

I agree with Ross on this, but just one comment.  Some horses with Spanish
blood naturally paddle and it is considered normal for them to do so.  This
is especially true for the Peruvian Paso and Paso Fino breeds.  But this
probably isn't the case here since she only does it with one side.  I had
a wondeful QH mare that paddled quite a bit, but we still did well in H/J
shows because she was so willing-we rarely hit the poles and generally got
the striding in, and never blew up, so we usually brought home some ribbons.
Good Luck!

						Teresa
						Leo 
						Ari
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From: tara@wam.umd.edu (Tara)
Subject: Re: Horse Toys
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:45:55 GMT

A couple of days ago, my littlest horse, Quaker, discovered a new toy
that she enjoyed immensely.  Our resident fix-it-man, Steve was busy
installing an electric fence which now divides the big field in half
so that the grass at the far end could get a chance to grow without
the horses on it (i hate keeping the horses in & my stallcleaners
appreciate it).  

Quaker discovered that the uncharged wire, when pulled, made a 
wonderful twangy sound.  To add onto the excitment, the wire *moved*!
Great fun!  Even more fun when the human (Steve) is trying to shoo her away
from it....all Quaker has to do is to run to the other end and escape!

He tried to keep her away...not much use though.  Finally it came time
to attach the charger.  Steve hooked everything up and then made one
last futile effort to chase Quaker away.  No doing. She ran to the other end
of the fenceline, away from Steve, and reached out with her lips to play
again.  Poor little horse almost sat down she was so surprized! (but
then "shocked" would be a better word).

That toy unavailable...Quaker then turns her attention to Steve's truck
(which was in the field to carry out the supplies, fenceposts, etc).
In the back was a long orange something-or-the-other (I don't know
the name, but it's used to secure a load on a truck...to tie it down).
It proved to be too much...Steve had to chase after Quaker, who was
running about with the orange tiecord out of her mouth and the 
dangerous length being several feet trailing out behind her.  If Steve
didn't walk up to her, then she would do laps around him and the truck,
teasing (?) him to go after her.

Maybe I ought to invest in a Hippity-Hop toy for her to play with out
in the field.


             ,--, | University of Maryland Equestrian Association 
       _ ___/ /\| |
   ,;`( )__, )  ~ | Horses: Quaker, Bud, Playboy, Tommy, Casey, Darla
  //  //   '--;   | 	    Nehi, Dee & Vern
  '   \     |     | 
tara@wam.umd.edu  |         



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From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen)
Subject: Re: Riding breeches - need advice.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:08:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.201552.26118@nmsu.edu> amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu (Angela Merritt) writes:
>Hi,
>I was wondering if anyone would like to recommend their favorite
>riding breeches. 
>
>Angie.
>amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu

Angie - I've had cotton breeches out of choice, but they do wear out
quicker than nylon in my experience. 

Different breech makers seem to gear themselves towards different fits,
The Eurostars I had were cut more for someone with a moderate difference
between their waist and hips, and didn't fit me too well. They were like
buying men's jeans. With my conformation :') I need more of a difference
between my waist and hips. I just got a used pair of Piekurs from a friend
who thought the hips were fine but the waist was too tight and they fit me
wonderfully...

geri & belle  (ps sorry for the empty mail!)
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Thanks and apology
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:38:05 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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Theresa, thanks for posting the new adress for Hage!  And, to all
others, sorry for the posting on Ridgebacks, it should have been
posted to rec.pets.dogs

Karen
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From: amy@meaddata.com (Amy Lehman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Bio
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:08:26 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
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   Well I finally have a minute & people are still posting this
   thread so I guess it is my turn:

   My name is Amy Lehman.  I will be 26 in March and I work at
   Mead Data Central as a Software Engineer in Dayton, OH.

   Without this newsgroup, I would not currently own my gelding,
   Beau!  I read this group Monday-Friday faithfully.  I have been
   reading for about two years.  I don't post very often because
   I am still a novice when it comes to horsey care. I saw Sue 
   Bishop's name in the listing one day.  Her posting address 
   is from Wright State university.  I graduated from WSU and
   I do not live very far from it.  After seeing postings from 
   California, UK, Canada, etc., I was very exited to see a posting
   so close to home.  So I sent her an email to say "Hello".
   One thing lead to another and now we are very good friends.  
   She helped me buy Beau from Ricarda, another newsgroup participant!

   Anyway, I have been Horse Crazy my entire life.  My room was
   PLASTERED with horse pictures, wallpaper, bedspread, ... well you
   get the picture.  My riding experience as a child comprised of
   2 weeks each summer at Girl Scout camp.  I'd get to ride 
   about 6 hours a day and we learned a lot about grooming, tack,
   etc.  My training consisted completely of western and bareback.
   Living in the suburbs I did not know anyone who owned
   horses so I had to be content with camp.  

   When I was old enough to buy my own horse there were a lot of
   things holdings me back.  The main thing was that I did not have
   a mentor to help me through daily horse care problems.  I didn't
   even have someone to show me where to look to buy a horse.  I
   didn't want to subject a defenseless horse to my ignorance. :-)
   When Sue offered to board Beau if I bought him, it made a perfect
   match.  Sue got a horse for her 4H kids and I got a horse I
   could afford to keep and someone to show me the ropes!  Sue has
   been teaching me to ride English.  I hope to jump into one or
   two of the open class events at her 4H shows this summer!


-- 
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                                   ,--,            
Amy Lehman                   _ ___/ /\|                 (513) 865-1045
Mead Data Central        ,;`( )__, )  ~              Data Technologies
P.O. Box 933            //  //   '--;                 amy@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401     '   \     |             ...!uunet!meaddata!amy
                             ^    ^ Beau...appaloosa sweetheart
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: pinto vs. paint
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:30:27 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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sean kerns (drkerns@sony7.sdrc.com) wrote:

: Now, some color guides:

: Overo: Refers to a horse which is predominantly the darker of the two colors on
: the horse (e.g. brown ,with white spots).

: Tobiano: Refers to a horse which is predominantly the lighter color (e.g., a
: mostly white/grey horse with dark spots0.

The markings on a pinto are white, not grey.  The "solid" part can
be any equine color, including grey, roan, appaloose or besides the
"standard" colors.  

: Piebald: Means that the darker color is black.

: Skewbald: Means that the darker color is brown.

In skewbald it is any color other than black.

Karen
From: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Akhal-Teke breed?
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 

To: ruslan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu

RC | My only sources now are a short encyclopedic set
RC | of dry summaries.  But I remember an old book with pictures,
RC | etc... in English.  (I can read other languages, including Russian,
RC | if you know of works in various languages.)
RC | 
RC | Does anybody know ANYTHING about this breed?  A society (or
RC | just a breeder) in this country?  A book with a chapter on them,
RC | mebbe pictures?  Any info is appreciated.

An older, probably out-of-print coffee table type book, _Horses of the 
World_ by Maurizo Bongianni and Concetta Mori, 1985, describes the 
Akhal-Teke on pages 144-145:

". . . This is an impressive and elegant horse, with good confirmation 
and proud bearing.  It has a lively and courageous temperament, although 
at times it may be rebellious and stubborn.  The skeletal structure and 
the development of the main musculature clearly indicate its marked 
apptitude for speed, combined with good stamina.  It is used with great 
success in international sporting events, thanks not the least to its 
skill as a jumper and the ease of it movements.  One member of this 
breed (Absent) won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome."  
"Place of Origin:  USSR (Turkmenistan).  Height at withers:  14:2 to 
15:2."

_The Ultimate Horse Book_ by Elwyn Hartley Edwards, published by Dorling 
Kindersley, NY, 1991, has pretty complete illustration of the  Akhal- 
Teke on pages 42-43.  In fact, I recommend this book to anybody 
interested in horse breeds of the world.

steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King)
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From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Mustangs
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:02:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

I hope this isn't in the FAQ:  Does anyone know about the Mustang Registry?
An address or phone #?  Does it still exist?

Thanks!
From: kcarroll@koko.pathology.washington.edu (Kris Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ?Hage?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:33:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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In article <30193@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mccloske@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane  
McCloskey) writes:
> >I'm very new at all this horse stuff(just bought my first horse 3 mo's
> >ago) and just started reading rec.equestrian 3 days ago.  And really
> >what is hage?  ugly woman?

as a feminist (notorious for little sense of humor), I am saddened. I was  
hoping to be a hag when I grew up, been progressing nicely all these  
years. Or was it a crone?
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From: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: comment on low head carriage and bad equitation now popular
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:03:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> Besides, it took an App mare to get Secretariat to get it up.  :^)

*choke* *gasp* *giggle*  ;^>
 
> Mary Lee Raines
> Ravenswood Appaloosas

Deena Howe
and Smokey (as an App, he'd definitely be amused!)
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