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From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Connecting Modems to DEC Stations
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:08:19 GMT

mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. Ranum) writes:

>	Don't just replace parts of ULTRIX because someone on the
>net posts saying, "it sucks".

I completely agree with this.

>It may be deficient, and in fact
>ULTRIX' uucp is pretty antiquated - but I used it for a long
>time and it got the job done. Not only did it get the job done,
>but the support for shared modems worked, it was supported and
>I didn't have to waste my time fixing something that already
>worked.

But I'd just like to mention that Taylor UUCP also gets the job done,
also supports shared modems on Ultrix, and is also supported.  In
fact, since I do my development on Ultrix, I believe that my code is
supported at least as well on Ultrix as any commercial UUCP is
anywhere.  Also, my code both transfers files faster and requires less
CPU time than the Ultrix UUCP.

I know you weren't saying anything bad about my code; I'm just doing a
little self-promotion (it's not like anybody gives me any money for
this; I might as well at least get some fame :-) ).
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: heiney@wsl.dec.com (Bob Heiney)
Subject: Re: Using mouse input in xterm/DECterm, possible?
Keywords: mouse
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:23:27 GMT

In article <bibhas.714234503@femto.engr.mun.ca> bibhas@pico.engr.mun.ca
(Bibhas Bhattacharya) writes:
>Hi,
>I was wondering if it's possible to incorporate mouse in a curses
>programming.

If you run your program in an xterm, you can ask the xterm to send mouse
down and mouse up events (in the form of escape sequences) to your
application.  Xterm also has some highlighting features, but I haven't
played with them.

See the file "ctlseqs.ms" in the R5 source for xterm.

--
Bob Heiney
Technical Consultant
Digital Equipment Corporation, US Desktop Sales, Palo Alto, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and not necessarily those of my employer
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: mcook@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com (Michael Cook)
Subject: Re: dxsession beginner help??
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:20:17 GMT

steve@sdz01.uu.ch () writes:

>1. I have some users who should only be permitted to run a particular
>program. Normally I would replace the shell program in /etc/passwd
>with the permitted program. Unfortunately, after logging in through
>the dxprompter, "something" apparently happens (no error or warning
>message) and I am immediately returned to the login prompter. If I su
>to the user from another account, everything works as planned, but
>obviously that's not going to work.

I seem to remember that the session manager (dxsession) starts the window
manager (dxwm, normally) by doing $SHELL -c dxwm, where $SHELL was extracted
from /etc/passwd.  The shell you've selected for these users is probably
refusing to run their window manager.

Michael.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: cannell@ed8217.ped.pto.ford.com (Larry Cannell)
Subject: Disabling Session Manager Pause
Organization: Powertrain Electronics, Ford Motor Co.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:30:26 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to disable or remove the pause pull down menu
pick for dxsession? We have a walkup station where this has become a problem.

Larry Cannell
Powertrain Electronics
Ford Motor Co.
From: BSS_GRAEME@vd.seqeb.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: BOOTP/TFTP
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:31:55 GMT
Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board

Can you boot a DECstation 5000 (we have 240,200,133 and 25's) over the
ethernet using BOOTP and TFTP rather than MOP/MOM ?
-- 
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South East Queensland Electricity Board		Fax:	+61 7 2217556
GPO Box 1461, Brisbane 4001 AUSTRALIA		Phone:	+61 7 2234150

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: heiney@wsl.dec.com (Bob Heiney)
Subject: Re: Version of X windows
Organization: Western Software Lab
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.025859.27481@news.csuohio.edu>
max@neumann.cba.csuohio.edu (Max Polk) writes:
>I've tried to compile a few X windows applications (Ultrix 4.2) that
> ... [stuff about needing R5]
>How can I find out what version is currenly installed on our system?
> ...
This is described in the release notes.  Basically:

ULTRIX 4.2 (for DECstations)

	Server		X11 Rev.	Supported Options

	Xws		R4		2100; 3100; 5000/xxx MX, CX
	Xtm2d		R3		5000/xxx PX
	Xtm		R3		5000/xxx PXG, PXG Turbo

ULTRIX 4.2A (and higher, for DECstations)

	Server		X11 Rev.	Supported Options

	Xws		R4		2100; 3100; 5000/xxx MX, CX, HX, PX
	Xwst3d		R4		5000/xxx PXG[+], PXG Turbo[+]
	Xtx		R4		5000/xxx TX

You don't need an R5 server to run R5 clients, so if you want you can get
the R5 distribution from gatekeeper.dec.com, build clients, and run them
against our servers.  If you have a 2100, 3100, or MX, CX, or HX card, you
can run the MIT R5 server if you want.  See the FAQ for more info.

The FAQ is available in the following archive sites, in the file
/pub/DEC/ultrix-faq.txt.

        gatekeeper.dec.com
        crl.dec.com
        decuac.dec.com

It can also be obtained by sending mail to ftpmail@pa.dec.com with the
following lines:

        connect
        get /pub/DEC/ultrix-faq.txt
--
Bob Heiney
Technical Consultant
Digital Equipment Corporation, US Desktop Sales, Palo Alto, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and not necessarily those of my employer
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.)
Subject: Re: difference bet. UL4.2 UL4.2A ?
Reply-To: alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:15:56 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.162626.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, mccalld@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>
>   Is there a difference between ULTRIX 4.2 & ULTRIX 4.2A ?

Yes.  I'm compiling this summary from Appendix B of the V4.2A
release notes.

New hardware support.

o  DECstation 5000 Model 240.
o  Personal DECstation 5000 Models 20 and 25.
o  DECsystem 5900
o  RA71 and RA72.
o  LK401 and LK501 keyboards.
o  VT420 terminal.
o  DECmodem V32
o  TURBOchannel options for the DECstation 5000 series.
   -  TX True Color frame buffer.
   -  HX Smart Frame buffer.
   -  PGX+ and PGX Turbo+ 3D graphics accelerator options.

New Graphics Servers

o  Xtx for the TX.
o  Xwst3d for the PXG, PXG+ PXG Turbo and PXG Turbo+.
o  Xws for the CX, PX, MX, HX and base system graphics.

Other:

o  The Personal Visualizer Software from Wavefront Technologies, Inc.
o  Assorted new and changed documentation, among them the Performance
   Management Guide.
o  Assorted bug fixes, I think mostly in places where files were
   being replace for new hardware support anyway.

>mccalld@sonoma.edu
>
--
Alan Rollow				alan@nabeth.cxo.dec.com

Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.wizards,comp.sys.dec,fido.ger.unix
From: ib@iersv1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Iris Butzbach)
Subject: HELP: correct setup for a PostScript printer
Organization: Inst. for Energy Economics & Rational Use of Energy (IER) U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:54:28 GMT



My problem is the following:

	I want to connect an APPLE Laser Writer Plus to the serial
	port 2 of a DECstation 5000/125 runing ULTRIX 4.2a.

	With serevral entries in the files /etc/gettytab, /etc/ttys
	and /etc/printcap I tried to print a PostScript file - but
	nothing happened. The busy light flashes but there was no
	output.

	Does anyone know the correct entries to setup a LW+ properly?

Please answer via e-mail.

Thanks in advance for all your help.



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From: fredv@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian)
Subject: 2nd Call for DEC C Compiler Info
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:14:43 GMT

I only got one response from a user with experience with DEC C. He is
generally happy with the compiler but for his application, DEC C
generates code that runs slightly slower than the regular C compiler.
A couple of other users also said that they use "gcc".

If there is anyone else who has any experience with this compiler,
please respond, I'd really like to know if this is the compiler that
increased the Specmark rating of 5000/200 from 20 to 23.5 and the
5000/125 from 16 to 19?? These speedups were announced last 
December, and referred to as obtainable using a "future compiler 
available in Spring". (I also don't think that the speedups referred to
the Fortran compiler, since the Fortran 3.X compiler had been out for 
quite some time when the announcement was made, and it was the 3.0
compiler which gave a 15% or so improvement over the 2.X.)

Response from DECfolk (who have gone out of their way recently to 
answer any question) highly appreciated! (I really wanted to use
the term Fred Avolio prefers people to refer to DEC employees,
I know he didn't like DECfriends I used once, what was it??...)

Thank You


My original post follows:

I am still unclear about DEC C eventhough it's been released for
quite some time. I understand the license for it comes with 
Ultrix, one only needs to purchase the media, and also that
DEC C is an ANSI C compiler. 

1. Is this compiler ever going to replace the regular C
   compiler on Ultrix?  If so then why not include the media
   in the Ultrix distribution so that people will learn about
   it and start using it? Right now it's a very well kept secret!

2. Does it use the GEM backend like the Fortran compiler? If so
   does it generate faster code (like Fortran 2.0 --> 3.0)? 
   If not, then are there plans to move it to GEM?

3. Is this the same compiler as on Alpha OSF/1? Will Alpha also
   offer two C compilers?

I'd just like to know if it's a good idea to get this compiler and make it 
available to our users, unless there are factors I am overlooking??

Thanks

Fred Velijanian
University of California, Irvine
fredv@uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: perf@efd.lth.se (Per Foreby)
Subject: amd very slow on decstation
Reply-To: perf@efd.lth.se (Per Foreby)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:01:56 GMT

I've been having problems with extremely slow nfs reading on our diskless
ds5000/20's, and it lookes like mounting with amd is what makes it slow.

Mounting a disk without amd  (with the same options) makes reading about 50
times faster (which is about the same rate as our sparcstations).

Has anyone had this problem and/or knows about a fix (to ultrix or amd)?

-- 
Per Foreby (perf@efd.lth.se) Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com (Dave Brillhart)
Subject: Re: Connecting Modems to DEC Stations
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:14:21 GMT
Reply-To: dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com (Dave Brillhart)
Organization: Harris Semiconductor

>>Does anyone know how to install a modem to a DEC Station
>>5000/200 or 5000/240 so that you can dial in and out?

HA!!! You have got to be kidding!!! Advice: don't call DEC -
they have no idea. I worked for hours on the phone with them
and I ended up buying two modems (tty00 & tty01), 1 for dial-in
and 1 for dial-out.

They even sent me a tweaked "tip", but that didn't help.


Signed,

Frustrated in Melbourne


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: weis@netmbx.netmbx.de (Dietmar Weis)
Subject: WP50 on X-Terminal does not start up
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:49:49 GMT

I have Word Perfect 5.0 installed on a DS3100 with Ultrix 4.2 and
on a DS5000/240 w/ 4.2A. I can locallly start WP in ASCII mode or
as a X-application on the console (depends on the settings of
WPTERM50 und DISPLAY).

What does not work for me is to start wp on a X-Terminal. Started
on the 3100 I get a X-Toolkit-error, started on the 5000/240 it
just exits immediately w/o an error message.

Has someone succeded starting WP in X-Mode with output redirected to
a X-server on another system or X-Terminal?

Thank you very much,
Dietmar
-- 
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Voice: +49 30 884 28 54-0   |                      Uhlandstrasse 179/180
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                     I don't speak for my company!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: cannell@ed8217.ped.pto.ford.com (Larry Cannell)
Subject: Re: Decstation Ultrix single-user mode security hole.
Keywords: DecStation, Ultrix, Security Hole, Help
Organization: Powertrain Electronics, Ford Motor Co.
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:36:28 GMT

In article <ZAPHOD.92Aug22032228@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> zaphod@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Erik Lloyd Bunce) writes:
>
>	On Decstations running Ultrix 4.1-4.2a is there any way to
>make it so that users can't just hit ^C during the multiuser boot
>process to break into single-user mode?  (and thus get access as root
>on the machine).  Changing /etc/ttys and setting the prom password
>doesn't seem to prevent this easy breach of security.  Any Ideas or
>suggestions would be appreciated.
>

We had the same concerns.

Check the Ultrix release notes.  They give examples of what changes are
necessary to /etc/rc.

Larry Cannell
Powertrain Electronics
Ford Motor Co.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: clinton@crusader.ecn.uoknor.edu (Trool the Red Adept)
Subject: RootWindow Bug under DEC Window Manager
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:04:08 GMT

	Has anyone else noticed that under dxwm when you use a program such as 
Xphoon, Xv, Xsetroot or anything that sets the background pixmap of the root 
window that the root window does not immediately redraw as it should and does 
under other window managers such as twm.  More importantly, has anyone 
discovered a fix for this problem.  
	Thanx,
	Clinton	
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The views expressed above do not necessary reflect those of the University of
Oklahoma, the Engineering College, or the Engineering Computer Network.
From: gel@sys.uea.ac.uk (Gareth Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: RootWindow Bug under DEC Window Manager
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:41:25 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

clinton@crusader.ecn.uoknor.edu (Trool the Red Adept) writes:


>	Has anyone else noticed that under dxwm when you use a program such as 
>Xphoon, Xv, Xsetroot or anything that sets the background pixmap of the root 
>window that the root window does not immediately redraw as it should and does 
>under other window managers such as twm.  More importantly, has anyone 
>discovered a fix for this problem.  
>	Thanx,
>	Clinton	

I can offer a botch rather than a fix.

Try running the x utility 'xrefresh' immediately after changing the background
to force a full screen refresh.  This is available within the standard ultrix
distribution in one of the unsupported subsets.  The process can be automated
using shell scripts or aliases,

ie.  alias Xsetroot  'Xsetroot \!*; /usr/bin/X11/xrefresh'

Gareth Lee,
Speech and Pattern Processing Group
University of East Anglia,
UK.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: dinn@appliedmicro.ns.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn)
Subject: DecStation 3100S: I need information on SIMMs
Followup-To: sender
Summary: I want to replace a SIMM. I need to know what one.
Keywords: technical digital dec decstation simm ram memory
Organization: Applied Microelectronics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:10:00 GMT

We have a DECStation 3100S with 24M and a bad SIMM (which yields panics in 
Kernal mode, crashing the machine). 

Shuffling the SIMMs moves the error by 4M (i.e. 1 goes to 2, 2 goes to 3...
12 goes to 1).

What we need to know is what SIMM is bad, based on the memory address.
The memory address is static, and doesn't change inside the SIMM, but does
move according to where the SIMM is located.

Our problematic address is 12D1984 hex.

Could someone tell me which SIMM this is?

Also, is it possible to remove one SIMM only or do I have to remove a group
to get the machine to function properly (i.e., can I get it working reliably
albeit slowly for the moment till the new SIMM arrives)?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

--
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 Network Technologist               |  dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (school)
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From: grosen@isc.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (Johannes Grosen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: rpc.rstatd
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:33:29 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University

I recently compiled the 'xmon' utility distributed as a part of the X11R5
contrib software. It looks very nice but it requires 'rpc.rstatd' to work.
I am aware that this is supplied as a part of SunOS and was wondering if
there is something available to provide the same functionality for ultrix.

Thanks!
-- 
Johannes Grosen
ISC Group System Administrator
401E Minard Hall
North Dakota State University
(701) 237-8409
From: gel@sys.uea.ac.uk (Gareth Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: dxsession beginner help??
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:42:32 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

steve@sdz01.uu.ch writes:


>I have four questions regarding DXsession. I have rtfm'd to no avail.
>If these are naive questions, well, I've only been working with Ultrix
>a few months.

I don't have a solution but can offer some pointers.  Your problems
seem to be based around the :0 entry in your /etc/ttys file.

>1. I have some users who should only be permitted to run a particular
>program. Normally I would replace the shell program in /etc/passwd
>with the permitted program. Unfortunately, after logging in through
>the dxprompter, "something" apparently happens (no error or warning
>message) and I am immediately returned to the login prompter. If I su
>to the user from another account, everything works as planned, but
>obviously that's not going to work.

See point 3 below.

>2. With every other workstation I've ever used, I could kill the
>Xserver and work at a naked tty interface if I wanted to. So far I
>have found no way, either in the manuals or through random keystrokes,
>of doing this under Ultrix.

I think that, when you kill dxsession or the X server init detects
this and restarts them on the basis on the entry for :0 in the
/etc/ttys file.

>3. Can I run X on Ultrix without dxsession? I find the whole thing
>annoying.

You can change the /etc/ttys entry to run whatever you want (ie. another
window manager).  I'm not sure whether the DEC X server will operate
without dxsession since it controls the icon box also?? You could consider
using the standard MIT X11 release which is supplied in the unsupported
subsets.

It would be worth experimenting with replacing the -C /usr/bin/dxsession
option with -C /usr/local/bin/myscript thereby invoking a shell script
which selectively invokes dxsession or other applications on the basis
of the $USER environment variable.

>4. Can anyone point me to a usable replacement for dxdb?

An easy question at last.  Try ups (version 2.31) which seems to be
distributed at most GNU sites.  It has a better user interface and is
certainly a good deal more robust. If you're prepared to pay then I
believe DEC FUSE is good and contains lots of other tools.

Gareth Lee.
Speech and Pattern Processing Group,
University of East Anglia,
UK.
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From: cja@chmist.zso.dec.com (Carl J. Appellof)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Porting Wang RS/6000 AIX document imaging to Ultrix
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:44:27 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <199208191551.AA25808@tuna.wang.com> IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:

>   Would anyone have any advice or thoughts on the possibility
>   of porting Wang RS/6000 AIX document imaging to Ultrix?  Could
>   this be a good idea?  Is Ultrix something that's going to
>   be around a long time, in your opinion?  Could there be any
>   minor or major weaknesses in Ultrix that we would need to watch
>   out for?   How might Ultrix match up against AIX in your view?
>   Are they comparable, or could some or many Ultrix users consider
>   AIX an upgrade?

I'd suggest porting to DEC OSF/1 instead of ULTRIX.  DEC has publicly
stated (and I have personally observed) that DEC OSF/1 is our future.
As a bonus, I think DEC OSF/1 has many more similarities to AIX
than ULTRIX has to AIX.  Might make your porting job a little easier.

I've used both AIX and ULTRIX.  Can't say I favor one over the other.
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| Open Systems Group            |                               |
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: jbryans@beach.csulb.edu (Jack Bryans)
Subject: lattelnet vs security
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:42:53 GMT

I've heard that DEC has security patches for lattelnet.  Yet, recent postings
suggest that, patched or not, lattelnet has gaping, glaring security holes.

There wasn't enough information in the postings to differentiate among
opinion, experiment, observation, etc.  Can anyone provide more info?  You
can mail to usenet@csulb.edu, or root@csulb.edu, if you prefer.

Jack
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: andrew@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Andrew Moore)
Subject: dxcalendar (strikes again)
Summary: extracting .dxcalendar to ASCII (can you ?)
Keywords: dxcalendar ASCII 
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:41:27 GMT

I remember a discussion going here a a while back about turning the
dxcalendar data file (.dxcalendar.dwc) into ASCII format.

Could some kind soul send me a summary, are a pointer on how to, etc.

If some kind soul has written something to do this function, that would
be even better.

Thanks (in anticipation),
Andrew.

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 Be interested in the future, you will be spending the rest of your life there.
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