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From: derose@s23.csrd.uiuc.edu (Luiz A. DeRose)
Subject: Re: F1 (SPOILER)
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:18:29 GMT

Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I think the last time they  were this strong is when Piquet and Mansell
>were teammates at Williams. I think they had Honda turbo power. It

That is true, Willians had the Honda turbo in 1986 and 1987,
and won each year 9 or 10 races out of 16 (remember that only the best
11 results were counted for the championship). They endup loosing the
drivers championship in 1986 to Prost (with a McLaren-Porsche), because
there were no clear first and second drivers at Willians. Piquet and Mansell
kept fighting between them during all year, and endup spliting the points,
while Prost was more constant, getting the title. That was the second
time that I remember that Willians lost a drivers championship due to 
fights between their two drivers. The other was in 1981 when Carlos 
Reutmann (sp?) lost the title by 1 point to Piquet (the other Willians 
driver was Alan Jones).

>could have been when Piquet and Patrese were teammates at Williams. I
>don't think that they have ever been as strong as they are now. I don't
>think they will be able to keep up these 1-2 placings. If Mr. Schumacher
>had the power I think he would be able to keep up with the Williams boys.

>Jonathan Swaby

Piquet and Patrese were never teammates at Williams, they were 
teammates at Brabham in 1982 and 1983 for sure (maybe also 1981 
and/or 1984, but I don't remember).

I would say that in 1987 they were almost as strong as they are now,
finishing first and second in the drivers championship, with 9 wins,
several seconds. In that year Mansell didn't race in Japan (and I
guess Australia), due to accident during the qualify, and 
Piquet also missed one race (San Marino I guess) for the same reason.


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From: gbr@bisco.kodak.com (Bruce Rodgers)
Subject: PITSTOP, etc., from Bob Kehoe
Originator: gbr@bisco
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Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:15:03 GMT


THIS IS FROM BOB "CANNONBALL" KEHOE:
====================================================================

Greetings from Mars!

I just wanted to let the regular GOB's on r.a.s. know I'm still alive and kicking way out
here in Orygun and sooner or later they'll get us strapped into the net again.  In the
meantime, Bruce has been good enough to pass this along and I thank him for it.

PITSTOP is going well and tonight we're having two in-studio guests:  Bryan Herta from
Indy Lights and local ace Don Walker who's with the Full-Time Racing Dodge GTU effort
this year, teaming up with last year's champ John Fergus.

Tomorrow and Thursday, if everything goes well, I will be getting some exclusive interviews
with both Bobby Rahal and Al Unser Jr. who are both arriving in town to do some testing.

If you're in  the Portland area the weekend of April 25/26, stop by Portland International
Raceway for the 'Rose City Opener' presented by Cascade Sports Car Club.  Two days of great
amateur road racing!  I'll be calling the action from atop the GoodYear Tower on the local
public address system.

Oh yeah, here's one of my arcane track trivia questions for you to ponder (I know you've
been going thru withdrawals):

Who won the last NASCAR race on the old Daytona Beach sand course in 1958?

You may be able to reach me by email at bob@ncube.com.  Mail does seem to work again.

Hope to see you soon,
-cannonball-
From: igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1; Testing at Silverstone
Keywords: Mansell Benetton
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:25:45 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Apr16.102750.29720@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
> McLaren had some more teething 
> troubles with the MP4/7A.

Driving down the A34 near Didcot yesterday I passed a racing-car-shaped
lump under a ``Marlboro Racing'' car cover being towed on a trailer
behind a rather grubby pick-up.  It looked large enough to be F1 rather
than F3.  I thought Didcot was Williams territory...maybe they're buying
some consultancy.

ian
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:05:33 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


HA!!!  Williams stuffed the rest out of sight AGAIN.

If Mansell doesnt win the title this season then he wants his butt kicked.

Mclaren were in all sorts of trouble with this new machine and hopefully
it wont be as quick as the williams. 

I HATE SENNA!!  What a prat taking nigel off on saturday, he needs a ban
from F1 to cool him off.

Just my 0.02

Alan
From: 881045m@aucs.acadiau.ca (Richard Muise)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren's new semi-automatic gearbox...
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:37:06 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes:

>What I've heard about the McLaren semi-automatic gearbox,is that it shifts to
>the next gear only when the engine is ready to do so.That is,unlike the
>Williams gearbox which responds immediately to the driver's commands,the
>McLaren system will not downshift or upshift if the engine is not in the right
>rpm range,depending on the car's speed and so on.Lots of questions come up
>though.How does the system distinguish between slowing down and accelerating?
>What if in a small straight the car is supposed to rev up only up until the 5th
>gear but not change into 6th? If with one flick of the switch the computer
>changes as many gears it takes to stay in the engine's powerband,what happens
>when the car is slowing down,say after the race is over? Imagine Senna going
>around in 1st gear and 14,000 rpm??

Actually, I suspect that it is more like the Porsche Tiptonic shift system.
The driver will select weither to shift up or down using only one 'squeeze'
on the gear selector. To move down more than one gear, he'd have to 
squeeze twice. The engine will then only shift once the engine is ready. This
is to prevent overreving the engine. The car will not shift down to first
unless the driver commands it to.
	See the car magazines description of the Porsche system, it may be
explained better than i can.

cheers
richard



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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Faster drivers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:39:57 GMT

In article <34975@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes:
>
>"The secret to racing is to go slow enough to win."
>
>That said, I do not consider setting fastest lap in and of itself to
>demonstrate irresponsible pacing on the part of a leading driver.  As
>has already been mentioned in this thread, the rythm is important and
>breaking it by slowing down is as easy a route to disaster as is over-
>driving.  A good driver can sense the machine and exact the maximum
>performance potential without overstressing it.  Another driver might
>always push it just a tad harder and break it.  Looking at the history
>of various drivers might give a clue as to their charactersitics in this
>regard.
>
>How often does Mansell experience car problems, versus, say, Patrese?
>Or Senna, or Berger?  How about some others, consider Andretti (Mario has
>long had a reputation as a car-breaker) or Prost or Lauda or Villeneuve.  
>Or going much farther back, how about Stewart or Clark?
>
Jim Clark certainly did not have a reputation as a car breaker - he had
exactly the opposite.  Many is the time he nursed one of Colin Chapmans
fragile, temperamental pieces of machinery over the line that precious
few seconds ahead of the competition.  Chapman believed in the maxim that
a good F1 car was one that would fall apart as it crossed the finish line.
Jackie Stewart was also pretty good at looking after his equipment.

As for setting fast lap towards the end of the race - I believe I remember
an interview with Jackie Stewart when he was asked about this. He said he
had unknowingly done this himself on a few occasions.  He had eased off,
and thought he was driving conservatively. But because he was not pushing
so hard he was taking a much smoother line through the corners, and it
sometimes turned out to be slightly faster.
From: v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 - water injection.
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <3633@wyse.wyse.com>, ken@wyse.wyse.com (Ken Drottar x2582 dept303) writes...
>In article <1992Apr7.210341.11318@acsu.buffalo.edu> v058l789@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman) writes:
>>
>>	 The air is cooled by the
>>water injection, thus making it more danse and able to carry more water per unit
>>of volume.  So as the denser intake charge goes in, it draws (or can draw or 
>>burn) more fuel per unit of volume of air that comes in.  Thus you get more fuel
>>burned and more exhaust discharge per unit of time.  Make sense??
>>
>	No. A car has a more or less fixed maximum fuel flow. Furthermore,
>	the transition from water vapor to steam will absorb more energy from
>	an engine. Ok, I know a steam engine works. Perhaps the volume 
>	requirements of steam (and resultant work potential) are larger than 
>	those of gasoline/oxygen combustion.
> 

	I disagree.  The water cools the intake charge and *through jetting or
fuel injection* more fuel can be introduced because there is more oxygen
in the charge to burn fuel with.  Also, the water doesn`t haev enough time
to absorb heat from the surronding engine- it is all taken from the fuel's
oxidation.
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From: gbr@bisco.kodak.com (Bruce Rodgers)
Subject: Bobby Ray Hall (from Bob Kehoe...)
Originator: gbr@bisco
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 12:48:24 GMT



ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS COURTESY OF BOB "CANNONBALL" KEHOE":
========================================================

4/15/92, Portland, OR - from the keyboard of Bob Kehoe

Well, I got my exclusive 5 minute interview with Bobby Rahal today
while he was eating his lunch.  Very easy guy to talk to and as soon
as we get net access again I'll pass along some of his answers to my
questions.  He's in town for some testing and when I first arrived at
the track he was out in the rain providing some of those great IndyCar
rooster tails.  Turned on the recorder and got some great noises!

Speaking of noises (and it always seems to happen to me), during the
course of my interview Al Jr. (who's also testing) was on course.
"Sound effects courtesy of Mr. Unser".  Last month it was Mark Smith.

I purposely did not formally interview Al.  However, as I was walking
the direction of his transporter, I spotted him climbing into a vacant
Cadillac rental car, burger and fries in hand.  So I thought, "what the
hell" as he was just sitting there fiddling with the radio.  I went up
and introduced myself and chatted for just a few minutes.  Told him I
didn't want to interrupt his lunch. He was pleasant but not real outgoing.
I did not ask him about the LB race last sunday!

Last night on the PITSTOP we had Bryan Herta (Indy Lights/Landford) in the
studio with us.  When I get back on the net, remind me to tell you about
what he and Franck Freon (last weeks' Light winner) arrived at the studio in!

Hope to be back soon.

-cannonball-
p.s.  Paul Goldsmith won the very last NASCAR race in the Daytona Beach sand ('58).

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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: F1 technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.134724.24178@tcom.stc.co.uk>, hale%mother@tcom.stc.co.uk (Dave Hale) writes...
>With all the new technology coming out on F1 cars this season like
>active suspension, anti wheelspin devices, etc etc.
>Does anyone know if any of the teams have tried anti lock brakes?
>I'm surprised I haven't heard of this being tried.

Anti-lock brakes weigh too much and any F1 driver could brake superior
without one than with one.

George.

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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Pick Prost & Brazil (spoil)
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:32:51 GMT


Didn't somebody pick Prost in the F1 Pick 6? You won points!!!

Wouldn't it be neat to see drivers switch cars for each race? Ok,
it'd take a little bit away from the current sport...in fact it'd
be a nearly completely different sport! But if this were the case,
then the constructors championship would truly be independent of
the driver's championship! As I see things right now, I can't
tell whether or not Nige is really a better driver than anyone
else. Since Patrese does nearly as well as Nige, despite both
drivers being the two heaviest and the two oldest F1 drivers,
I get the impression that their driving talent isn't why they
dominate (though both are talented). I'd like to see Schumacher
in the Williams against Nige in the Benetton! Or how about
Senna in the Benetton and Nige in the McLaren! If drivers
rotated cars, and Williams/Renault always did well, and Nigel
always did well, then I'd feel good about giving the two
championships out to those two respectively. But I don't
feel Nige is proving he deserves the drivers championship
just by driving a better car. Now here's where I'm going
to draw some flames. I think Senna _proved_ last year that
his driving skills were worth the title by winning races
and performing well when his car wasn't awesome! (At the beginning
of the season, it was almost all due to McLaren/Honda that
he won the first four so dominantly - but he showed his own
skill later on.) So, I hope Nigel gets the chance later on
to show that he really deserves the driver's championship
by competing in a car that _isn't_ head and shoulders above
the rest. Of course, this means his competition is going to
have to get it in gear. So come on McLaren/Honda! Shape it up!
And Benetton - hope your new car is great! And Ferari, get it
going!


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From: b609zbt@utarlg.uta.edu (GEORGE M. SMILEY)
Subject: Re: there I was, there I was, there I was ... in College Station, TX...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:16:00 GMT

In article <7APR199218265769@zeus.tamu.edu>
 pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes...

>Howdy!
>	Sorry, couldn't resist.  Gotta lay off the TV ... my wife won't
>let me ZAP the commercials ....
> 
>	Anyway -- someone (George) asked about IndyCar testing at Texas
>World Speedway.  Nope -- it was closed to the public.  The Haas team booked
>the track (late Feb-early Mar ?) for a weekend and only let the local TV
>station in for a short time (30 sec clip on the evening news).  A prepared
>press release appeared in our local rag the next day.
> 
>	Sure wish NASCAR or IndyCar would get a race scheduled here...I
>can't make the ARCA race this weekend.
> 
>Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
>************************ standard disclaimer applies ************************

ARCA, yuuuuckkk !! Try going to the AMA Superbike events there, it is a great
show and you might even see me - if your lucky.

George.
From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1:Comments on fuel,tires and HP quotes...
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:00:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.045645.338@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
 altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes...

[I guess you will have to read his post after all]
> 
> 
>Alex Tsourinakis
>Vassar College. 
> 
> 
The change in horsepower figures I gave came from Autocourse, a fairly
respectable source of information. They were also backed up in various
engineering magazines. From what I gather, the majority of the increase 
has come from the exotic fuels. The technology of those fuels increased
quite alot from 90 to 91. Combine this with Honda switching to a V-12
and Renault spending a lot of money and they seem realistic. They are
probably a bit on the over side, due to the fact that HP quotes can get 
overinflated in some sort of bidding war phenemonon. I would say that
quotes for this season are more accurate than those of previous seasons,
with the exception of Honda covering it's ass. however, once again
I put out the following disclaimer: HP without torque = Ferrari = slow.

Say hello to Giora Netzer up there at Vassar for me,

George.
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: IndyCar (Long Beach)
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:54:00 GMT



Darnt $#%^%@$#&$^%$%$ Boston ABC affiliate (WBsomething) _always_
preempts the race and instead show "more interesting" stuff like Star
Search or some moronic thing....

Does anyone in the Boston area manage to see the race ?  How ?  Do you
happen to have a tape of it (hope, hope, hope...).

Thanks for any reply.

-Miguel

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From: franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc)
Subject: F1 rankings wanted
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:38:19 GMT

Anyone kind enough to post the F1 rankings after Brazil GP?

Thanks,
	Francois
From: svissa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sirish Vissa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Where have you gone John Berton???
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:37:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45850
Distribution: rec
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr16.201247.11777@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> iqj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Someone yesterday or the day before lamented the absence of John Berton
>and his wonderful F1 race reports from this group.  I would like to 
>second that sentiment and encourage John (if you're still out there) to
>once more grace the group with his superb analyses.  A report appeared
>for the S. African season opener but since then no joy.  Does anyone
>wish to join me in raising a chorus of voices in supplication?
>Chris Finlayson, Dept. of Science & Technology Studies, Cornell

I second the seconding of the sentiment.
                            sirish

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From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:12:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Do you think the death of Soichiro Honda has anything to do with this ?
> I remember him being a big motorsport fan.

I think that getting their ass quicked by Renault doesn't look too good 
either... It probably doesn't matter if the ass quicking comes from the
engine or the chassis.

bruno.
From: Gary_Stone@TRANSARC.COM
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Long Beach IndyCar comments (spoilers)
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:59:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.UduPs5n0Bwwm1L5lhV



Bail out now if you've not seen it . . .















Luv' ya ABC.  I agree the coverage was really poor.  They even cut to another
WLF game here for the last 15 seconds before going to the race.  I was really
happy to see the 'wife shots', 'actor shots', and 'whale shots' in the last
5 minutes of a VERY competitive race.  Do you think that they'll figure out
that Sullivan and Rahal are in different cars this year?  Maybe by Laguna?

I used to like the Andretti's, but Mario really blew it with Eddie.  I was
really ticked as I thought Cheever had a good shot at another podium finish
(hopefully a win soon, go Eddie).  This 'whining Andretti' is getting pretty
bad.  Hopefully Michael has a decent year and can go drive F1 in a
competitive car.

The finish was fantastic and not even manufactured due to the dreaded
full-course yellow!  There was some great action in the final laps as
the first 4 cars were within a 1.5 sec's.  Then to see Danny go after Little
Al like that.  It was great, would like to have overheard the post race
comments on that one though (thanks again ABC).  Would have been a very
interesting paddock to be around then!  I'm not sure who had the corner,
but expect that it'll be one of those racing incedents where after much
debate both drivers had the line.  Can you imagine being Danny if Bobby
had picked up the win after the shunt w/ Lil' Al?  Opps!!!!!!

Overall, a good race.  Now, lets hear it for May Madness!


Gary
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