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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Date: 7 Oct 1992 04:37:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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I've thought this through, and to everyone who's been saying, "Why
can't Forge make a gizmo to nullify her absorbing power so she can
do the nasty but still keep her flight and strength and invulnerability,"
no can do.  There's no way for Rogue to keep her flight or anything
else from anyone if she doesn't have her absorbing power.  Think of
it as being an absorbing power, but also as a sponge that, once it
sucks up a power, keeps that power bottled in Rogue until it drains
away naturally due to her time limit.  Now with her Ms. Marvel
powers and physiology, it's been her absorbing power that's been
keeping those around for such a long time from the prolonged
exposure with Ms. Marvel.  You'll see that in one of the Claremont/JRjr
issues (I think it's with the Powerkids and that Granny lady and
Beautiful Dreamer and Masque) where Leech (whose power I think affects
only mutants?  If I'm wrong, this part of my spiel is shot to hell,
but oh well) cancels Rogue, and so she has to kick and punch without
benefit of her Ms. Marvel superpowers.  In fact, I don't see why Rogue,
at the point of having her absorbing power nullified, loses her Ms.
Marvel powers FOREVER, since the only thing that's been keeping them
there is Rogue's power.  If Rogue had absorbed, say, Nightcrawler
prior to being cancelled, I think we all agree that she would stop
looking like Nightcrawler when Leech cancels her, so why wouldn't
she lose her Ms. Marvel powers as well?  The same thing applies with
Wipeout's effect on her during Genosha.  Her powers never changed her
physiology permanently; it never does.
So that's why I believe that there is no way that Rogue could even
keep her Ms. Marvel powers without her absorbing power, unless I'm
wrong about how it works.

Oh, and about Rogue being even more powerful than Ms. Marvel ever
was, if we look at it as a "life-force" deal where Rogue's life-force
is combined with Ms. Marvel's, jacking the powers higher than they
were, which is why in the Savage Land things were so screwy, then we
can justify Rogue being shown as being weaker nowadays, since she
no longer has the benefit of Ms. Marvel's life-force.

-Jon Kung, scientist without a brain
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From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Subject: Re: listen up people
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:21:25 GMT

In <1af4jlINN4hf@uwm.edu> pjconley@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pat J Conley) writes:

>	you can get upon your soapbox and whine about Rob Liefield
>	Bob Harris, Tom DeFalco, and so on, but i don't see any of
>	you doing their jobs.

Yet another repeat of the same old tired excuse.

No, Mr Conley, I do not do Tom DeFalco's job.  I do my job.  If he would
like to have an account on my system that he may critique my performance
of it, have him give me a call, and I will see what I can do.  In the
meantime, if I think that he, or any other person involved in selling me
entertainment, could be doing a better job, I will continue to say so,
because I do not WANT to boycott a company just to prove a point.

Thus the world works, chum.  Time to get used to the idea.

-- 
---------------------===Comedy!  Sudden, violent comedy!===--------------------
Russ Smith -- russ@math.okstate.edu  |  "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and
  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
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From: cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO)
Subject: X-Men 201
Originator: cs922096@a02.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:32:27 GMT


     I truly hope that Marvel decides not to bow to speculation and make Cable's
origin totally contrary to his supposed roots as maybe depicted in Uncanny #201.
That way, I can get another copy when the price goes down.  The only thing that should make the issue worth something besides Whilce Portacio's 1st X-Men work is that Storm kicks Cyclops' butt and becomes leader of the X-Men.  


|-)  (Cyclops)....



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From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Time Travel
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:09:11 GMT

In article <92271.110039EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <18544.2ac4766b@ecs.umass.edu>, masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael
>Sullivan) says:
>>
>>My reference to physical speed effecting time travel has to do with a law of
>>physics (or something like that) that says if you travel at cloe to the speed
>>of light, you could travel for, say four years, and when you stopped, five
>>years would have passed in the rest of the universe.  (remember the old       r
>>Discove
>>commercial  "... By the time I got back the baby would be an old man..")
>
>Well, it depends on how close to the speed of light you are.  If you're really
>close, you can actually slow down if you speed up.  Unfortunately, my
>book on relative physics got sent home, so I cant use it for reference,
>but the amount of time that passes depends on how close you are to C,
>and a little change in the percentage of C is a big difference.  I may
>be wrong about the above speed-up/slow-down thing.  I still think Cable's
>methods of time travel are hokey.

Some formulas:
              t'=t*sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
where c is the speed of light.  As v (your velocity) approaches c, t'
is the time that passes for you while t is time that passes back home.
Note that you can't travel *at* the speed of light.  What happens if
you exceed the speed of light is purely imaginary.

              v' = (v+u)/(1+v*u/c^2)
where v is your velocity and u is, literally, a boost in your direction
of travel.  Say you're traveling at v=.99c and you get a boost of v=.99c
then v'=.99995c.  Now, suppose your the Enterprise (opps, sorry, wrong
group) and say you drop out of warp in a very bad way (the slingshot
effect?) so that your speed is v=1.01c.  The above formula implies
some nifty effects if you attempt any manuevers with impulse engines.
Anyway, I better stop there.

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Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 13:27:24 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Accent Escalation

When Rogue first joined the X-Men, her accent was less noticeable
because she was still half Carol Danvers, and thus she talked like her. 
Recent events have brought Rogue's true accent to the fore.
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:31:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <BvpsIA.IwH@cs.psu.edu> mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.175201.3194@bmerh85.bnr.ca> stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad) writes:
>   In article <maguire-061092091529@128.149.100.151>, maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
>   |> Magneto becomes field leader for X-Men.
>     I think this idea has a lot of potential.  Unfortunately, any return
>   of Magneto would just contribute to Marvel's growing problem with the
>   "Revolving Door of Death".
>I don't think you kill the acknowledged master of electromagnetism with an
>electromagnetic weapon... Besides, Magneto is a great character... I'll trade
>him for, oh, (dare to dream) Liefeld?


	There's a HUGE problem with Magneto being the field leader of the X-men.
He's too damn powerful.   This is a guy who routinely fights the X-men to a 
standstill, all by his lonesome.  What sort of villains are you going to put
against the X-men, if they've got Magneto?  (Check Kid Dynamo for a great
interpretation of Magneto, he's really obnoxiously powerful.)
	In a perfect world, the X-men wouldn't necessarily get into fights
all the time, so Mags' presense wouldn't be too overshadowing, but Marvel
being Marvel means fight scenes.  
	The ideal position for Magneto is co-headmaster of Xavier's 
school, since the Prof should be (by all rights) just as over-powering
to the X-teams.  (again, see Kid Dynamo, it's light years better than
what Marvel's putting out, even though I disagree with her treatment
of Cypher's powers (but her treatment of his personality was spot on))

	Were I in charge of the Mighty Marvel Mutants, here's what I'd do.

	Move the "kick ass" characters into X-force (list left to the 
immagination).  They fulfill the original concept of X-force, taking the
fight to the X-men's numerous enemies.   They are based in the Australian
Town HQ, and use Gateway for transport.

	Cancel one of the 2 X-Men tittles and shuffle in and around 
the members of X-force who are old enough to be X-men (Cannonball, Thunderbird).
They continue with whatever it is the X-men do (get ambushed by villains ;-).

	Excalibur and X-factor stay the same.

	The Fourth mutant title is New Mutants Vol 2.  The Prof (and Mags?)
re-open the School for Gifted Youngsters, at a new location (to avoid 
attack by the X-men's numerous enemies).   The base concept is 
"Greymalkin 90210", where fight scenes are kept to a minimum.  The class
size would be 8-10, with rotating focus on characters.  
-- 
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From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Subject: Re: General Ideas
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:36:52 GMT

In article <90716@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Patrick McClue) writes:

: I always wanted to see some relationship between Siryn and
: Wolfsbane...

Hmmmmmmm, could be _very_ interesting ....

: after all, her adopted mother is "kinda dating" Siryn's
: father...which would make them sisters in some way.

Oh, *that* sort of relationship, I thought you meant another sort.

	- Robi
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From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Just a thought
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:03:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct4.022438.6404@abo.fi> MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf) writes:

>Cable also got Sam to learn how to blast silently. (apparently it used to make
>a lot of noise)
>			-Mika

This is true, but I really would hate to give Cable credit for it.  The New
Mutants went in the future (via Magik of course) and they met an older version
of Sam.  He could control his "volume".  I always thought that one of the 
other NM told Sam about this (he wasn't along for the ride).  

Cable did teach Sam some things, but it happened too fast.  But now it seems
like Cable is a time traveler also so he would have known that Sam was capable
of doing it.  

Patrick
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: The "NEW" New Mutants!
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:38:21 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

How about we let the original New Mutants remain "X-Force" and then have
Professor X start a "new" New Mutants school.  The new members could/should
consist of the prestently "unused" contingent of the Young & the Restless.

Possible members for consideration:

Whiz Kid (Taki)
Leech
Artie Maddicks
Illyana Rasputin
Tommy Grey
Gailyn Grey
X'an Coy Mann's brother & sister
The other children from Nanny & the Orphan Maker storyline

Whaddaya think?  Any others?

I forget Shan's siblings names or the Mutant alteregos that they and the Grey
children used in the Wildways & Nanny storyline (respectively).

just some thoughts.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.xbooks:1144 rec.arts.comics:23601 rec.arts.comics.misc:2994
From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The SMILEY Dictionary!
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:27:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92271.092754U58402
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Sep25.130043.59172@cc.usu.edu>, sl859@cc.usu.edu says:
>
>Ok here it is - you asked for it! :-)
>
>The Unofficial Smilie Dictionary
>--------------------------------
>
>:-)   Your basic smilie. This smilie is used to inflect a sarcastic or
>      joking statement since we can't hear voice inflection over Unix.

You also forgot:

:@) Jimmy Durante smiley.

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
From: avatar@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shayne Macfarlane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stryfe calls Scott and Jean "father" and "mother"!
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:04:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.143702.13206@uceng.UC.EDU> sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steven Weide) writes:
>>Just a little comment on the "mother" and "father" issue.  If you take
>>Stryfe's comments in context with the rest of the sentence, he could mean
>>something different.  He is saying something about Jean and Scott 
>>somehow creating the future (I can't remember exactly) so he could mean
>>"mother" and "father" in the sense of whatever he was talking about, not
>>his own mother and father.  Just a little thought that they can use that
>>if they want to change all their clues and have Stryfe not related to
>>Jean and Scott (but they wouldn't do that now, would they?)  :-)

>Well Stryfe also referred to Scott and Jean as the King 
>and Queen and himself as the Prince.

>Mikel B.
>"Talk Hard" - HHH

A small point, but he refers to himself first as the 'Prince', then to
Scott and Jean as the 'King' and 'Queen'.
As I read it, there is no implication of any relationship between them.

Shayne
From: v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: A New Edition To The Unofficial Smilie Dictionary
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 Ready?.....

The Only Vertical Smilie!!!!






















The Wolverine Smilie!

              			/\   /\
				| \-/ |
				\ -V- /
     				 {[=]} 			
			      |||     |||
         		      !!!     !!!
			      \_|     |_/		
   	This smilie is used only when they F**k up a once great character
              (I want my old Wolvie back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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From: r3cjs@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Chris J Sorg)
Subject: Please repost the Claremont Files
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:29:35 GMT

	Could someone mail me the Claremont Files....I missed them when they 
were posted. Either that or a repost would do.

Thanks in advance,
	Christopher J.

r3cjs@vax1.cc.uakron.edu
From: William.P.Dorris@dartmouth.edu (William P. Dorris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Mutant Review -- X-Force #16 (Spoilers, probably)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:55:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1a68glINNhb0@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu>
lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:

> 
> X-Force #16 (X-Cutioner's Song, Part 4)
> Story: Fabian Nicieza
> Art: Greg Capullo, Harry Candelario - Capullo did a good job of rendering
>         our mutant heroes here... he'll make a good regular on X-Force!
>         (He started out pencilling the New Warriors, if I remember >correctly.
Actually, he started out on Quasar, Mark Bagley did New Warriors (minor
nitpick! :))

> Nicieza actually held with continuity AND Shatterstar's personality
> development, where his patter with Wolverine was concerned.  It's too bad
> 'Star's dead.  Or IS he?  >:)
How will they ever have the mojoworld stories that were talked about in
Xforce annual 1?  Who knows.  Then again, isn't shatterstar supposed to
have some sort of healing factor?  I vaguely remember one from New
Mutants 100 (also where he appears to stab through himself.  At the
time I remember comparing the scene to a similar (in fact VERY similar)
scene in Ronin.  Only the hero dies in Ronin.  But I digress...).
> 
> Siryn vs. Madrox: anyone who's kept up with X-Factor knows WHY Jamie
> claimed to not know anything of the Fallen Angels, but when he reabsorbed
> the "evil" Jamie, didn't he GET those memories?  Besides, the two of them
> had been on Muir Isle LONG before the Fallen Angels existed...
I'm wondering the same thing.  He said something like "what exactly
have we shared?" and at the end of the comic looks at siryn's
unconscious body with this weird sad expression.
> 
> Hmm... somebody was nitpicking the use of the word "the" in the phrase
> "-- the X-Men's Blackbird craf silently touches down --"... what was
> the gripe?
I think its because the X men have more than one blackbird, although I
don't know for sure.


Will Dorris
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who's the best leader?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:59:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Okay, I hear all this talk of WHO being the best leader, but why?

What qualities make someone the best leader?

Intelligence?
Optimal utilization of the abilities of one's followers?
Charisma?
Force of personality?
One's abilities in combat?
One's tactical abilities in combat?
One's strategic abilities before combat?
Being able to train one's followers?

Basically, so far I have heard:
Nightcrawler, because he is so cool and sauve, and Captain Britain is
 such a total boob anyhow.
Storm, because she kicked Cyclop's ass without her powers, and Cyclops
 is a Ryker.
Cyclops, because he leads the Blue team and has cool head-gear and shouts
 a lot.
Havok, because he doesn't know what he's doing and admits it, but still
 does okay sometimes, even though he's an energy projector, and we gotta
 kiss PAD's butt.  <-- gratuitous butt-kissing
Shadowcat, because she's cute and smart but really hasn't had a chance
 to show everyone how good a leader she is.

I will add:
Wolverine, because his dried sweat keeps his hair in place and he's
 so Zen kewl.
Professor X, because he paid attention to Cypher, and we all know that
 bald men are the best leaders, plus he makes us think that.
Psylocke, because _I'd_ stick behind her 110% any day!
Cable, because he's built like a tank -- literally -- plus he has the
 potential of going back in time and erasing himself from history.
Cannonball, because he used to not be a Highlord, plus he's an average
 schmoe (that is, used to be) with a rock star for a girlfriend.
Mirage, because, hey, we're Equal Opportunity.
Cypher, because he was smart and now he's dead, plus he got to see if
 Psylocke is a natural purplehead.
Karma, because she's mysterious and exotic and forgotten.
Rogue, because while she may not have any leadership qualities, is the
 male ideal of the unattainable virgin who dresses like a whore.
Magneto, because everyone needs a madman with half a century of hate
 for a father-figure.
Val Cooper, because she's not a mutant and really is just a liaison.
Chip, because he's a better planner than Dale, has a cooler head than
 Monty, is more easily understood than Zipper, and is Gadget's Master.

-Jon Kung, adding myself to the list, because, hey, _I_ could do better!
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stryfe calls Scott and Jean "father" and "mother"!
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:09:27 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:

>X-Force was really good this month, like the fight lasted all of 4 pages.
>Finally some character izations.  One prob.  since when can Bobby shoot energy
>blasts?

Since he was 'altered' by Gidgeon.

>spoilers on the mom&dad thing
>









>



>Stryfe did say "mother" and "father" (with the quotes)  this means that they
>are not actually his parents but something similar.  It prob, means that Stryfe
>is a clone.  

>Plus, Jean wouldn't even be his "mother" but his " "mother" " since nathan's 
>mother was Maddie.

But Maddie was a clone of Jean.

So I guess he should have called them "father" and ""mother"". I-)

					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Mutant Review -- X-Force #16 (Spoilers, probably)
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:49:03 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

William.P.Dorris@dartmouth.edu (William P. Dorris) writes:

>> development, where his patter with Wolverine was concerned.  It's too bad
>> 'Star's dead.  Or IS he?  >:)
>How will they ever have the mojoworld stories that were talked about in
>Xforce annual 1?  Who knows.  Then again, isn't shatterstar supposed to
>have some sort of healing factor?  I vaguely remember one from New
>Mutants 100 (also where he appears to stab through himself.  At the
>time I remember comparing the scene to a similar (in fact VERY similar)
>scene in Ronin.  Only the hero dies in Ronin.  But I digress...).
>Will Dorris

Except that Frank Miller (who wrote and drew Ronin) can
actually write and draw comics.

Jed
From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: FAVORITE X-VILAINS (was Re: Just a thought)
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct4.003225.59409@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>Selene, Selene, Selene!
>The Black Queen!
>(Hey!  That rhymes!  I'm a poet!  But you all know that!)
>Anyhow, She's smart, Really Crafty, Not just a slugfest villain, ancient,
>Magical, really powerful, not to mention VERY EVIL!

I agree with you 100 percent...I wonder what would happen if Selene and 
Apocalypse meet.  I'm sure we will not see their first meeting...probably 
happened hundreds of years ago.  Hey! wouldn't it be cool if Selene was
the person in the photograph that Sinister showed Val?  If so, how would
Apocalypse been responsible for Selene? Hmmmmmm...?

[stuff deleted]

>I remember one hint of her, back when Sabastian Shaw was killed and White
>Queen was being ex'd, but that was never followed up on.  I was excited
>because her attitude was "Bring it on, boys!"  (I would Love to see Selene
>White Queen and Sebastian Kick the Tar out of Shinobi and the Upchucks!  
>Oh I mean Upstarts!)
>
I kind of saw it as Selene being the secret power behind the "Upchucks"  (I
like that name now ) :).  she was the "Gamemaster".
>							wReam...
>						     Ultimate Ninja!












Patrick