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From: waltersm@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Singles on CD
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:38:28 GMT

In article <BzKuoJ.Mq0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
> "I Feel Fine"/"She's a Woman" - from this point on, until otherwise stated, all
>   the singles have mono mixes otherwise unavailable on CD.  On this one, there
>   are no drastic differences other than the overall "feel" of the mono.
Seem to recall SAW is few seconds longer on mono version.
> "Yellow Submarine"/"Eleanor Rigby" - A-side has louder bass drum, louder
>   background comments by John, and John's comments start one line earlier
>   (on "A life of ease!").
Mono YS has an extra guitar chord at the start as well.
> "All You Need is Love"/"Baby You're a Rich Man" - A-side is missing slight
>   speech that is heard in right channel of stereo just before lyrics start.
>   Also, it lasts about 10 seconds longer into the fade out than the stereo.
>   B-side is much better mix than stereo, as it uses "tape spin" - an effect
>   that I can't fully explain.  It has to do with echo feeding back on itself,
>   or something like that, I believe.  At any rate, when they went to do the
>   stereo mix later, they for some reason couldn't recreate this effect, and
>   thus the stereo mix sounds "flat" as compared to this mix.  Listen especially
>   during the "build-up" after lines line "What do you want to be?" and "Far
>   as the eye can see."
BYARM is, about, 6 seconds longer
> "Hey Jude"/"Revolution" - A side lasts about 10 seconds longer than stereo
>   version.  Also, there is some weird noise at about 3:20 into it.  B-side is
>   much better mix - more distortion, and just a very powerful sound.
HJ: also after the 1st set of "da da da da-da-da-da..."'s (for want of a better
description) on the "...Hey Jude" lyric the orchestral backing (probably horns)
sweeps in quite noticably.

MCW
From: fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (FAN YENG LOON)
Subject: Re: Box set bargains
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: National University of Singapore Dept. of Computer Sc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:20:00 GMT

In article <3437@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, rbakker@nl.oracle.com (Rick Bakker) writes...
> [snip snip]
>
>in England, where I think I remember seeing it go for 200 pounds (> $300).
> 
> [snip snip]
>Rick.

Over here I was once offered something that was higher than $300 too.  Reckon 
yours is a true bargain.  *8)

--
apple "swingin' low" core  | "The guitar's all right, John,           | Hired.
fanyl@nusdiscs.bitnet      |  but you'll never make a living at it."  | Tired?
fanyl@iscs.nus.sg          |                          - Aunt Mimi     | Fired!
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From: frede@microsoft.com (Frederick Einstein)
Subject: The Complete Christmas Collection
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:33:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Yellow Dog CD Release

	I have just purchased and listened to the Yellow Dog
CD release of the Christmas records.  In addition, this 
release has an (almost) complete recording of "Christmas
Time Is Here Again" clocking in at 5'43".  I beleive that
the version of this on the Yellow Dog "Acetates" release is
slightly longer.  Also, the new release has an outtake of
the group rehearsing the 1964 Christmas record (using "Hello
Dolly" as a theme).  

	Initially, when I saw this CD in Japanese record stores,
I didn't bother buying it because I had the Christmas stuff
on other bootleg CD's.  However, I finally broke down and
spent the 2600 Yen (about $22.00) on it.   I'm glad I did 
because this CD has all of the messages in "master tape"
quality.  There are no "popping" and "scratching" noises
and all of the resonances are present on this CD.  I
believe that the Christmas recordings were originally made
on 7.5 IPS 1/4 inch tape so the fidelity ain't that great, but
it's refreshing and well worth it to have these recordings
in the very best quality available.

Also, in the inner label, a new Yellow Dog CD was advertised
called "Monitor Mixes".  Does anyone know what might be on this
one?  I haven't seen it yet here in Japan.

Regards,

FredE
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John Sinclair
Date: 30 Dec 1992 14:44:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

If I'm remembering correctly, John Sinclair was the founder of the
White Panthers, a Detroit-area militant radical group modeled after
the Black Panthers [not such an uncommon tribute in the late 60s and
early 70s -- my favorite was the Grey Panthers, a militant senior
citizens group that sounds like a joke but was actually very serious
and played a large role in the fight for things like eliminating
mandatory retirement ages] whose membership were white youth.  They
were pro-drug so the marijuana arrest seems not unlikely.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles Lyrics
From: steve eliason <MV013374@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:25:10 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

                         BEATLES LYRICS
_____________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________________________

     I was wondering if someone could send me a copy of all of the
Beatles lyrics.  I would really appreciate it!


   STEVE P. ELIASON
   INTERNET ADDRESS MV013374@VM1.NODAK.EDU
   BITNET MV013374@NDSUVM1.BITNET
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: BEATLES ANOMALIES Part 2
Summary: She Loves You
Keywords: She Loves You, edit
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:42:01 GMT

In article <1ddgkkINNhfb@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown) writes:
> Yer Blues
> +++++++++
> MW> "instrumental verse" at end has bleedover from vocals.
I think this was intentional, because actually he's recording the vocal from
the next room, right?

> You Like Me Too Much
> ++++++++++++++++++++
Also, on the Yesterday EP (and CD of EP, too), there is some sort of percussion
in the background at the very start.  Is this on the mono British _Help!_
album too?  It's not on any stereo version I've heard, or the mono American.
What is it, and why is it there?

>You Wont See Me
>+++++++++++++++
Also, on my American CD of it, it seems like there is a slight tape defect
here or something (at the very start) because there are a couple of little
blips in the stereo on the first beats.  Also, have you noticed that the
American CD of _Rubber Soul_ uses the American LP cover instead of the
British?  Somebody goofed!  But their LP reissue of the British version has
the correct cover.  The difference is the Capitol symbol vs. the Parlophone
symbol, and the color of the title.

>What goes on
>++++++++++++
>
>MW> 1.28 After Ringo sings "Tell me why" John pipes up "I already TOLD you 
>  > why (Left channel)
>
>No....Listen again!...What actually happens is :-
>
>RINGO " Tell me why...."
>JOHN  " (Tell me why!)" <---- not "I already told you why!"
That's what I've always thought, too.  I'm glad someone agrees with me!

>She Loves You
>+++++++++++++
>
>MW> Bad edit 1.23 - 1.30 after line "I think it's only fair"
>
>Joe Brennan also writes > This is George Martins worst edit ever
>
>I have listened to this over and over ... I cannot hear an edit at all !!
>Not even a change in the cymbal sound as mentioned.
This morning, I put on a couple of Beatles 45s instead of the CDs, as I
occasionally do just for the sake of it.  Anyway, one of them I put on
was the Swan 45 of "She Loves You", and I discovered that the edit is
quite a bit harder to hear on this!  It's very obvious on the CD, though.
I also got out the mono & stereo _Beatles' Second Album_.  On the mono,
it's about the same as the Swan 45, but on the stereo, you can hear the
edits, though not the change in cymbal sound so well.  I think that perhaps
Swan did something to the tape to disguise the edits, like maybe change
the treble setting when it got to that point or something.  Of course, we
know Capitol did a lot to them, especially the stereo, since it's fake.
I don't think it's just the extended clarity of CDs, though.  Anybody
care to check the mix on the original British 45?

- Jeff ("Yes, Yes, Yes." - Paul's dad)
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates
Keywords: studio, alternates
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:44:10 GMT

This is a question that has often puzzled me as well.  Does anyone have any
inside info or any good ideas?
I believe the CDs are made from 1st or 2nd generation copies of the master
tapes.  I always wonder (except for the first two albums) who does the mixing
on these.  Do they have 4-track copies, or do they do the mixing in Abbey
Road?  Also, how come all the takes from the first album that are overdubs
only appear in mono?  Did George Martin record them in mono, and then put
the other channel back in for stereo or something?  That hardly seems
possible or probable.
I do know that most of this stuff seemed to leak out around the time that
Lewisohn was in there researching for <THE BOOK>.  This has caused some
people to say that Lewisohn may have supplied tapes to bootleggers.  However,
I know someone who knows someone who knows Lewisohn (a weak connection, I know,
but still...), and he says absolutely not.  Perhaps it could've been people
working with Lewisohn in there, but I really don't know.
However, I still do maintain that Yellow Dog most likely has copies of
several complete reels from Abbey Road, not just snippets.  They just elect
to not give it to us all at once.  Like, I believe they have all the takes
of stuff from February 11, 1963, but they've only released part of it, and
in two different batches no less.  But did they acquire all the stuff they
have pretty much at one time, or do they continue to acquire new stuff
through an EMI contact?  In the latter case, they should start requesting
some of the really good stuff.  There's been very little in the way of
Pepper and White Album outtakes - are those tapes in a different location
in Abbey Road?  Who knows?

- Jeff ("But wooo...woooo...go-o-o-o-ot" - Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: djs@sadtler.com
Subject: Up From The Ground
Organization: BIO-RAD Laboratories
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:07:37 GMT

Today I received a poorly recorded dub on cassette of Maccas new album.  
Tomorrow I will post comments.  For now, I can say that the album is 50 
minutes in length and "Hope Of Deliverance" is the weakest song on the album.
Why he is going to release it as the first single is beyond me.

-- 
D. Sears                                          Email:  djs@sadtler.com
post += disclaimer;                   Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia 
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From: robertson@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Sgt. Pepp. Father
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:55:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


     Does anyone know if "Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father" is available
in the U.S.?  Is anyone willing to type in the rundown--who
covered what?  All I can remember is Billy Bragg's
version of "She's Leaving Home".
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: pwe@slipknot.mit.edu (Paul W. Emery)
Subject: fantasy:Digital 8 track release.
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:03:55 GMT

ok this is just my fantasy but hear it out.
Its the year 1998,Sony has just unveiled their newest product a CD ROM
machine which when combined with the average home computer,enables the
listener to remix from the original basic tracks his/her favorite music.
Classic albums are being rereleased as 4,8,16,24 and 32 track
masters,among the first to be available,Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club
Band.

Just imagine being able to listen to the individual tracks at your
leisure and then manipulate them at will.
I'm sure to get flamed by the purists out there but I just had to float
this idea.
thank you very mooch.
-- 
pwe@slipknot.mit.edu                 "Hello my name is Inego Montoya(sp)
Paul W. Emery                       you kill my father,prepare to die."
M I T Magnet Lab Cambridge Mass U.S.A.   
COSTELLOBEATLESSPINALTAPFAWLTYTOWERSMUTTSAVENGERSSTARTREK.TNGENGLANDRUTLES
From: Michael_-_Meshew@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 20:16:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

If you are interested in obtaining a Beatles Video list with well over 600
hours of rare video (including the items mentioned here), please leave me
Email with your name & address & I'll send you a copy.
Thanks,
Michael
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Greatest Hits?
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:47:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bzzu34.EyB
Distribution: world
Organization: a gora

In article <BznJnn.2yB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
>As far as I know, The Beatles never did "Rhythm of the Rain", not even in
>the Get Back sessions, where they did every other song you could imagine...
>Interestingly enough, though, I think somebody did a remake of it which
>included a line from "Rain" by The Beatles at the end!


  Dan Fogelberg did this during his summer concert tour this year.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Greatest Hits?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:30:59 GMT

Well, let's see...
As far as I know, The Beatles never did "Rhythm of the Rain", not even in
the Get Back sessions, where they did every other song you could imagine...
Interestingly enough, though, I think somebody did a remake of it which
included a line from "Rain" by The Beatles at the end!
As far as Greatest Hits, yes, there are a few on LP, like:
 20 Greatest Hits   (British & American versions differ)
 1962-1966 (a/k/a red album)
 1967-1970 (a/k/a blue album)
 A Collection of Beatles Oldies
Also, several countries, like Germany and Australia compiled G.H. of their
own.  However, there aren't any G.H. on CD (except for some inferior
quality ones from Japan), even though the red & blue albums were supposed
to come out over a year ago.
Past Masters Vols. 1 & 2 are kind of like G.H.s because they generally
include the singles, but there are certainly ones missing from them,
because they're on other CDs.
Does this help you or not?
"Hey Jude" is on Past Masters 2.

What I'd like to see, really, is like a 5-CD or so box set, with every CD
close to 80 minutes, of Beatles Greatest Hits, with every track remixed
for stereo, with the possible exception of _Abbey Road_ tracks.
I think someone, like George Martin, or Lewisohn, or me for that matter (!),
should be allowed to go in and remix them all.  The stereo mixes are not
always that great, but for some reason people think there's something
sacred about The Beatles and they can't be touched these days.  That's
insane.  If it were any other group, such a set would've been out years ago.

- Jeff ("No Comment." - George Martin)

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: Sgt. Pepp. Father
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:46:57 GMT

robertson@tesla.njit.edu wrote:
: 
:      Does anyone know if "Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father" is available
: in the U.S.?  Is anyone willing to type in the rundown--who
: covered what?  All I can remember is Billy Bragg's
: version of "She's Leaving Home".


... you asked..

And, for free, I'd not looked at this album since it came out (1988) & I 
was very impressed with the line up (IMHO)

Enjoy...


The Three Wize Men       - Sgt Pepper

Wet Wet Wet              - Little Help from my friends

The Christians           - Lucy in the Sky

The Wedding Present      - Getting Better

Hue & Cry                - Fixing a Hole

Billy Bragg & Cara Tivey - Mr Kite

Sonic Youth              - Within YOu Without You

Courtney Pine            - When I'm 64

Michelle Shocked         - Lovely Rita

The Triffids             - Good Morning

The Three Wize Men       - Sgt Pepper (reprise)

The Fall                 - Day in the Life


Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: fantasy:Digital 8 track release.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:59:21 GMT

Have you heard the entire 11-minute or so version?  I've never seen that out.
Where is it available?  The longest I've seen is just over 8 minutes, available
on Ultra Rare Trax 5 & 6.  At any rate, I didn't know this was Yoko screaming
- I thought it was Paul's young daughter, wasn't it?
How much unreleased stuff is ruined because of Yoko?  Are you really just
talking about "What's the New Mary Jane"?  Nothing else comes to my mind that
has Yoko in it.  What else is there?

- Jeff ("All you gotta do is ask for it, nicely.  Say pretty please,..you're
         gonna get it, all right, you're gonna GET it!" - John)
From: lukoff@hardy.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Really bizarre GET BACK take
Date: 25 Dec 92 07:27:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec25.072733.24892
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <randall.724549833@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>barash@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Steven Barash; MATH (GRAD)) writes:
>
>
>>I recently rediscovered a profoundly weird take I have of the Beatles doing 
>>the song Get Back, and I wonder if any of you RMBers have heard it or can tell 
>>me anything about it.  
>
>This is one of the "recordings" (I use the term loosely) from
>the film sessions at Twickenham in January 1969.   There are reels and
>reels of material from these rehearsals, much of which has shown up
>on bootlegs for about 20 years.  The most recent one I saw was a
>3-CD collection from the Blue Kangaroo bootleg label.  There is also
>a 6-CD collection and many other bootlegs.   Most of the material is
>terribly performed and of low technical quality.  That is no
>criticism of the Beatles- it was all rehearsal stuff anyway.  None of it
>was properly recorded, as Lewisohn points out.  Don't waste your
>money on them.
>
>Macca has been accused of racism because of his remarks about the
>Pakastanis.  I think this is unfair because the recording is
>from a rehearsal and sounds like he was making up words on the spot.
>
>-- 
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
>Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:22:53 GMT

> = Steve Novak (me!):

[re: Beatlefest order screwups...]
>A bad taste is left in my mouth, like Bruce.  
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, this should've read "like *Bruce's*.

'Cause, um, I don't know what Bruce tastes like, and...uh...
I don't want to talk about it anymore :).


-- 
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steven@advtech.USWest.Com
From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles to reform????
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:10:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1gsvplINNccv@menudo.uh.edu> edc@franklin.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.101246.11@condor> waltersm@logica.co.uk writes:
>>In article <BzBJME.Ev6@mtholyoke.edu>, mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey) writes:
>>> 
>>Is there some confusion between Clapton's wedding and George's 2nd marriage
>>(by which I might mean Ringo's - not able to recall the dates, locations etc)
>>in the early 80's?  I remember `reviews' of George's (or Ringo's) marriage
>>saying there was a big jam/singalong sessions afterwards.
>>
>
>George's wedding to Olivia was a private affair.
>
>Paul and George *were* at Ringo's marriage to Barbara Bach, but
>no music was played.

There most definitely WAS music played; maybe not Beatles music.  In
the LIFE magazine article "LIFE goes to a Beatles Wedding", there is
a picture showing Paul sitting at a piano, with people gathered around
singing.  The caption under the picture says something like "Paul leads
in a spirited version of She'll be Coming 'Round the Mountain".  I don't
have the article in front of me, so I don't remember if it was just one
song, or more than one (which seems more likely).

	
		David Deisley

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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Genuine Basement Tapes #3
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:28:45 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.bbn.com
In-reply-to: Christian Ullsperger's message of 31 Dec 1992 21:52:31 GMT

In article <1hvq2vINNg4m@agate.berkeley.edu> Christian Ullsperger <ullsperg@mendel.berk.edu> writes:
   >10. Ferdinand the Imposter - previously unavailable [?] vocal by Danko

   Actually, this song (a personal favorite, right up there with "I'm Not
   There") is on the Blind Boy Grunt and the Hawks Vol 1.

I guess I never listen to that lp side :) So, is this Danko singing?
Or Manuel? I can't always tell them apart, except when Manuel does
his falsetto thing.

> It is incomplete, however, on that release. Is it here?

Yes.

>I'd love to get my ears on this stuff. Can someone quote me price info,
>label info, etc.

There are ads for the GBT series in the current Goldmine. Typical
price is $20-$25 per disc.

rs
From: maes@prl.philips.nl (Maurice Maes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Dylan Tape Tree songlist....
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:51:53 GMT
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands

A disadvantage of a tape tree is that when someone high up in
the tree makes a lousy copy, everybody below him suffers from it.

And if the songlist you posted is the real one, I'm afraid the
guy who sent you these tapes to take over the tree has send you 
the false third tape! 
-- 
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