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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Re: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Keywords: This is NOT an xbooks question...
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:03:13 GMT

>In article <1992Dec22.040622.7608@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>>Anyway, back to my point.  I'm one of those weird people who just won't
>>leave the theather until all the credits have rolled off the screen (you
>>always find some interesting stuff in there).  Among all the listings and
>>acknowledgements, I saw the following (paraphrased):  "All Marvel
>>Characters Copyright 1992 MARVEL COMICS GROUP (etc...)"

>>What gives?  Did Marvel finally manage to copyright the letter "X"?

In article <1992Dec22.184621.15029@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>Nahh... it's because of all those churches in the early parts of
>the movies. Remember how they all had pictures of Jesus(TM)? Yup,
>Jesus(TM) is now a Marvel superhero.

>I'm psyched for the Jesus(TM)--John the Baptist(TM) crossover
>("My Apostle--My Enemy"(TM)).  They spend the first five pages
>fighting, then they realize they're both good guys, and go off
>and trash Satan(TM).  Good solid Marvel fare.

Actually, toward the end of the movie, there were scenes of kids who
happened (?) to be wearing T-shirts depicting Marvel characters.  I
think Thor and the Silver Surfer were two of them.

But back to Andrew Solovay's posting.  Marvel seems to trademark the
weirdest things.  Such as the cover of an Avengers some time ago which
said something about "the wrath of Zeus! (TM)".  Was "Zeus"
trademarked or was his wrath trademarked?  I'm expecting to see the
title "Jesus, the Amazing Son O' God" or something sooner or later.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Marvel's new Jesus Comic (was Re: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:23:09 GMT

One of the comics I *didn't* get today was Marvel's "Pilgrim's Progress".
I did look at it.  Talk about the worst of both worlds!  It combines
Bunyan's forgetable story (with the allegory simplified) with Marvel's
house style.

If you're thinking of getting it, it's a lot cheaper to pick up a
paperback copy (preferably used) of the book -- so read the book and
then decide whether you want to spring for the comic. :)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Fish Police?
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:27:31 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <C04vtz.3o3@news.ucs.mun.ca>
glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke) writes:
 
>
>	I'm currently buying the Marvel re-prints of _Fish Police_, and
>I'm really enjoying it so far.  It's too bad though that the bunch at
>Marvel haven't seen fit to reprint the editorial pages and letters pages
>as well as the normal art pages.  That would help to explain what's
>going on.  A friend of mine has one of the original b&w issues, and the
>text pages were half the fun of reading it.
>	I have a couple of questions: How many issues did it run for
>originally?  What's the deal with "issue #0" or whatever -- the issue we
>"will never, ever see" ...?  Any additional info would be appreciated,
>as well as thoughts on the series in general.
>--
 
   The original series was supposed to be from #1 - #26; #0 was
his (sort of) practice issue that got printed after Fish Police caught
on.  (Yes, it WAS published).
   One thing that truly bugs me though:
   The whole series was supposed to end and all plot threads were supposed
to be tied up in #26; AND I NEVER FOUND A COPY OF IT !!!!!
  Admittedly, I was out of the country a few summers, but I had a standing
order at my comix shop, and the owner never saw it; I checked local back
issue stores here, and in some NYC stores and I never saw it.
   HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE DAMN #26?!!!!
 
    Junsok Yang (YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu)
 
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Happy Squid Appreciation Day -- the SQUIDDIES are here!
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:44:28 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1i66gbINNkmr@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.032922.13765@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>)>10. Favorite team of characters
>)
>)Do the Endless qualify?  They have a collective name, powers, funny costumes,
>)and angst.
>
>	Surely the Endless are a family, not a team.

Surely the Fantastic Four are a family, not a team.  ;-)
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:04:45 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>> >(2) The ending to THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD by Charles Dickens (FOr 
>> 
>> Neil Gaiman beat you to the punch. If you check Sandman #22,
>> you'll notice a copy of Chas. Dickens' "The Return of Edwin
>> Drood".
>> -- 
>
>Yes, and I WANT TO READ IT!
>
>Actually other people have finished off the book a few times, but it just 
>isn't the same. 

I dunno. I like the Rupert Holmes musical version of it. My only trouble is
every time I've seen the damn thing, the young girl is voted the murderer.
I'd like to hear some of the other endings...

"There you are!"
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1 (Revised)
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.201412.24143@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.190518.9899@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>> Page 17: Superman, Dr. Light, The Blimp, Adam Strange, and Captain
>> Marvel are all DC heroes or villains.
>
>All are heroes.  Dr. Light is the female Japanese scientist, no?

Yes and no. The original Dr. Light was a male hero who had
light-projecting devices. He was killed by the next Dr. Light, a
villain who stole those devices. The current Dr. Light is a
Japanese scientist who doesn't need devices (she has a meta-gene
power). Stanley could be talking about any of those, but since
he's a boy and he was using a flashlight, my money's on one of
the first two Drs. Light.

Perhaps this mystery will be resolved in SAHM #2. Don't hold yer
breath.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:10:36 GMT

In article <151FwB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>(3) More books in the Travis Magee series by John D. MacDonald

Um, that's Travis McGee...and in particular I'd like to check out the 
rumored prior to MacDonald's death to exist manuscript titled A Black Border
For McGee which was supposed to be narrated by Meyer and dealt with McGee's
death. Apparently the rumor was false.

>(10) More JONNY QUEST comics

At this past San Diego con I reminded Tom DeFalco of his comment that the
only book he wished Marvel published which they didn't was JQ and pointed out
that Comico's rights had expired...

His reply was that Hanna-Barbara just wanted too much for the rights to
make them profitable. Given that I don't recall Messner-Loebs ever doing
work for Marvel, this may not have been a bad thing.

"That's the trouble with `mindless slaves'... they're, well, *mindless*!" 
--Benton Quest
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: R.A.C. Awards ("Squiddies")
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:20:11 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

The categories and voting instructions will be posted on New Year's Day.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn)
Subject: Re: DC/VERTIGO: Comments, opinions?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:43:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.084850.12593@rigel.econ.uga.edu> lab@pollux (Lab Administrator) writes:

>	The Demon: This book is on my drop list.  I never realized how
>	much Val Semeiks' art added to the writing.  Maybe if I come
>	into a large some of money in the future I'll keep reading it...
>

I agree that the book is suffering due to shoddy artwork. Characters look
completely different from different angles and the Demon does NOT have
eyebrows. The cover art still looks good, but they should get Semeik back.
I also would like to see a return to Hell soon--it's been a while since
they were there.



-- 

Send e-mail to: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 09:29:06 EST
Keywords: This is NOT an xbooks question...

acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:

> In article <1992Dec22.202351.1205@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jh
> >In article <1992Dec22.184621.15029@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew So
> >>Nahh... it's because of all those churches in the early parts of
> >>the movies. Remember how they all had pictures of Jesus(TM)? Yup,
> >>Jesus(TM) is now a Marvel superhero.
> 
> Of COURSE Christ is a Marvel character:
> He died and came back!

Obviously.

But they dont't sue when other people mention Jesus.  On the other hand, 
DC is very careful NOT to mention him so I guess he is a Marvel character 
after all.


Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Future Imperfect -- in jokes
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <72498@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes...
>Ah, but how many of you spotted Waldo in the crowd scene on pages 2-3?
> 
>PAD

Waldo?
I was just happy that I spotted Herb!!!

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099 #1
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:46:33 GMT

rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly):
>>Of all the 2099 titles, this appears to have the least to offer that's new.
>>The milieu is the generic-cyberpunk of 2099, but everything else about
>>the title is a new Frank Castle caressing a new generation of weapons.
>>But without the restraint of the current Punisher titles.  
>
>You mean, he actually has sex with his weapons without a condom?

I wouldn't be so crass and simplistic as to write his weapons off as
phallic symbols -- but I will take the liberty of quoting from this issue:

	"The Power Bat:  Variable density from rubber to titanium...
	 I've never used the lower settings."

Okay, maybe I *will* be crass and simplistic.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jrr@locus.com (Jefery Roberts)
Subject: Nausicaa (was Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's Library)
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:08:35 GMT


goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
> eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes...
> 
> >What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
> >he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.
> 
> 	Also the real, truthful *ending* of Miyazaki's _Nausicaa of the
> Valley of Wind_. The word I have is that the new series Viz is putting
> out soon *still* doesn't finish the story. Argh.

Viz's new series covers volume 5 of the Japanese compilation, which I
have.  Not only doesn't it finish the story, it ends on a major
cliffhanger, and never returns to an earlier thread of the story that
also ended in a cliffhanger.  I get the impression from postings by
people who've seen the stories when they ran in Animage two years ago,
that the story does go a bit beyond what is in the fifth Japanese
compilation, but I'm pretty sure that Viz won't translate them until
they're included in the sixth compilation, which we won't see for a
while.  If Miyazaki has gotten back to writing Nausicaa after finishing
Porco Rosso, the new installments have yet to be even announced in
Animage, which I now get monthly in hopes of seeing them.

Jefery Roberts		Locus Computing Corporation		jrr@locus.com
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:12:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Cedrick Chan (ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu) writes:

>>Many participants are significantly older.
>
>    Do you have something substantial to back that up?  I read a few years
>ago from several newspapers (particularly local), that the average age of a
>comicbook reader is 20 years of age.  I'm inclined to believe that average may
>be a bit higher these days.  There are many people that I know of that are
>interested in comics and they're above 20.

The statistics you saw are affected by their source.  (I'll assume that your
reference is to the CBG age stats; other magazines should prodcue similar
ones.)  First, the person represented in the statistics has to be of an age
and comics-maturity level to appreciate publisher diversity; the odds of a
strict Marvel zombie picking up CBG rather than just Marvel Age is slim.
That indicates on the average an older group of people.  Now that they are
picking it up, we know that they must have the excess funds to do so; this
again implies that their age is such that they have more disposable income.
Also, the fact that they pick up and read CBG (or some other publication)
indicates that they are more appreciative of the subtelties of the writing,
and of the business end of producing comics; these are also qualities that
improve with age.  Thus, the reader of CBG, and especially one who replies
to such a poll as the stats are gleaned from, is apt to be older, on the
average, than the "average comics book reader/purchaser."

So, while CBG's respondents' average age may be 19.8 years, the average comic
purchaser's age is going to be lower than that number.

------------------------------
                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: cgf@ednor.bbc.com (Chris Faylor)
Subject: Re: Why does PAD *stay* on the net?
Organization: Boston Business Computing, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.014106.1179@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
> [[ his usual good job ]]
>
>Just for the record, I've got to second Dan'ls remarks.  Peter Davids
>dialog has kept me reading The Hulk long after the plots (and sometimes
>the art) stopped working.
>
>What drives me craziest about Davids plotting is the flashes of
>brilliance.  The integration subtext that started with the Joe Fixit
>stories kept me waiting anxiously for each new issue.  The sequence
>with Bruce/Joe talking it out with Iron Man as mediator was fantastic.
>It showed what *could* be done with the combination of MPD and the
>superhero genre, and made it endlessly interesting.  To wrap it up
>with 24 hours of therapy most of which happened "off screen" was
>the exact quality opposite.

Even though the complete integration took place in 24 hours there have
been signs for the last 20 years that Bruce Banner was struggling with
re-integration himself.  His Hulk manifestations varied in intelligence
and personality.

I think that the Hulk was already doing some of the work towards a
"cure" for many issues prior to that story.  There was always
indication of a bleed-over from Bruce Banner's core personality into
the various Hulks (with the possible exception of the savage Hulk).

And, finally, I can't imagine the higher-ups at Marvel sanctioning a
multi-part story that focuses strongly on child abuse and its resultant
personality problems.  At least not for a mainstream "puncheminaface"
book like the Hulk.  I think that Peter himself said that he had to
bow to necessity for that particular issue.
-- 
Chris Faylor		Boston Business Computing, Ltd.
cgf@ednor.bbc.com	"I am not here."
-- 
Chris Faylor		Boston Business Computing, Ltd.
cgf@ednor.bbc.com	"I am not here."
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From: djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young)
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:33:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <LPN5VB4w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>This assertion confused me a little.... You say that the "quality 
>writers" are with "lesser known" companies then list five favourites that 
>do things exclusively for the big companies.
>
Sorry for the confusion.  I meant that I don't get to read a lot of the 
writers because I like comics with Superheroes.  For example I don't read 
Sandman or Cerebus because they really don't jump of the shelves at me.
Hey not asking for a flame war, I'm sure their great comics, I just never 
have read one.  And also I really don't get into black and white comics.
Basically I was just trying to explain where my viewpoint was coming from.


-- 
the Mighty Joe Young

djyoung@carina.unm.edu

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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099 #1
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:42:15 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <_nsr!jh@lynx.unm.edu> rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
>Oooooh!  I *HATE* playing the straight man in a joke!

And you do it soooo poorly, kiddo.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
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"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Keywords: This is NOT an xbooks question...
Date: 25 Dec 92 03:53:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec22.200313.11426@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan) writes:
>But back to Andrew Solovay's posting.  Marvel seems to trademark the
>weirdest things.  Such as the cover of an Avengers some time ago which
>said something about "the wrath of Zeus! (TM)".  Was "Zeus"
>trademarked or was his wrath trademarked?  I'm expecting to see the
>title "Jesus, the Amazing Son O' God" or something sooner or later.

Actually, this has been done, sortof....

National Lampoon, sometime during the 70's, did a comic book parody about a
hero called "Son O' God"; -extremely- irreverant, and somewhat funny. It's in
that compilation volume, the one with the yuppie looking in the mirror and 
seeing a hippie.....

"And then, he says the words that spark the amazing transformation,"

<about to get run over by a subway> "JESUS CHRIST!"

<thunder, lightening, and standing there is....>

You just have to see it, it's too surreal......

I also remember "G. Gordon Liddy, Agent of C.R.A.P.P.E.R.", or something
similar......

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:34:40 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:

>>> What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
>>> he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.

Oh, dear...let's see, now...

Comics:	Seconded votes for MAGE II and III.
	Seconded votes for the *rest* of Veitch's Swamp Thing.
	"The Hobgoblin:  The Real Story", written by Roger Stern.
	The rest of Jo Duffy's final "Star Wars" arc from the mid-'80s.

Books:	Asimov's _The Final Foundation, Honest_.
	More Baum Oz books.
	The final book L. Ron Hubbard wrote (*whatever* the hell it is).

Films:	The film version of Genesis's "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway",
		starring Peter Gabriel.
	Episodes 1-3 and 7-9 of the Star Wars cycle.
	The version of "Batman" with Sean Young as Vicki Vale.
	A faithful, lengthy film version of _Dune_.
	Same for _The Lord of the Rings_.
	"Return of the Jedi" without the sanitized ending.

Music:	Any post-1972 Beatles.
	Any post-1981 Harry Chapin.
	Post-1974 Genesis with Peter Gabriel still at the helm.
	
Misc:	The proof of *and* the counterexample to Fermat's Last Theorem.  :-)

Tim Lynch