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From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 runs under OS/2?
Date: 3 Oct 1992 21:07:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Oct3.194856.2318@netcom.com>, by feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel):
> Is there a C++ update price for owners of downlevel versions of the MSC C
> compilers?

Yes, it's $139 I believe.  Microsoft has been advertising this pretty
heavily in a lot of the PC magazines.

However, be aware that MSC C/C++ 7.0 will NOT produce OS/2 programs...even
OS/2 1.x 16-bit programs, unlike MASM 6.0, which can produce 32-bit
or 16-bit programs.  I refuse to upgrade my MSC 6.0 because of this.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:48:31 GMT
Organization: Messina Software

petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:

>[arguing that Microsoft should not be "forced" to develop OS/2 apps]

Pete - so far Microsoft has displayed a good business sense of
developing applications for the purpose of generating income and
fulfilling their obligations to the shareholders, regardless of the
'religion-of-the-day' arguments.  I feel safe in assuming that BG will
continue that course.  

Your exclamations are silly.  I hope you are not a part of the
Microsoft management.


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From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Subject: Programmer's Paradise
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:49:47 GMT

I've been tracking PP listings for OS/2 lately, and it's risen from
about two column-inches to nearly a whole page.  The latest PP even has
OS/2 on the cover with Win and DOS.  A goodly number of OS/2 adds were
in place as well. 

Mike Percy             | grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu  | I don't know about
Sr. Systems Analyst    | mspercy@clemson.clemson.edu | your brain, but mine
Info. Sys. Development | mspercy@clemson.BITNET      | is really...bossy.
Clemson University     | (803) 656-3780              | (Laurie Anderson)

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 runs under OS/2?
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:48:56 GMT

Is there a C++ update price for owners of downlevel versions of the MSC C
compilers?
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
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From: 880506s@dragon.acadiau.ca (James R. Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Meta Key in Emacs
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:50:12 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


	
	Does anybody know how to map the META key in emacs to a usefull key
one the PC keyboard such as the ATL key?


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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Help recreating WPS Object!
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.183017.10627@news.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green) writes:
>I was playing with the minimized windows folder, and I accidentally deleted the
>original, instead of the shadow.  How can I get it back without reinstalling
>the whole OS?  Is there a program which lets you selectively create/install WPS
>objects?  Presumably the object is located in some DLL file or something, so
>I don't think this is as simple as expanding a file from the install disks.
>I can't find this information documented anywhere!

Try the WPSTools or the REXX script RECREATE.  Both should be
available via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

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Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
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From: jmsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY MARTIN SMITH)
Subject: Is there an Elm mail handler for OS/2? 
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:59:24 GMT

I am looking for Elm to run on a PC that is connected to a network.
I look to do this because lamail wont handle mutiple address's.
I am hoping that an Elm for OS/2 will do this.

Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Doctor: "I did, May Week's in June."
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From: tange@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Tange)
Subject: Re: deleting whole subdirectories
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 08:30:53 GMT

smackinl01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.230019.24000@cs.brown.edu>, wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:
>> In article <kevinc.717803811@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker) writes:
>>>cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:
>>>
>>>>Anyone got a clue for me on a way to whap a directory and all its children
>>>>into the bit-bucket w/o typing a compound command?  How about a simple
>>>>compound command?  (Must delete SubDirs containing files and other SubDirs w/o
>>>>naming them explicitly)
>>>
>>>I have heard that 4os2 will do this with something like a 
>>>
>>>ERASE /S /X [path]filename...
>>>
>>>where /S means do the subdirs and /X means really remove the subdirs
>>>after all the files are gone.  Any confirmations on this?
>> 
>> The Unix command 'rm' (ported by the emx people) can also work
>> 
>> 	rm -rf path

>Try the WPS :)
>Open the drive object, then drag the folder to the shredder.

Ever tried to delete a template that way?? ;-)

> 
>-- 
>Simon.
>Have you got a form 27/b?

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From: gyan@unixg.ubc.ca (Gyan P. Sinha)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:17:27 GMT

In <mg.717572342@elan> mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:

>[discussion of OS/2 being too powerful erased]

>I'll second that. I almost like the WPS, which must mean that the average user
>won't ... There are far too many options, and it is far too easy to crash
>the system with them.

>Example: open drives, and move config.sys to the desktop ... on the next boot,
                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>you die. I actually did it, by mistake, so I can edit the file.... 

		[Stuff deleted for brevity]

> Michael Golan
> mg@princeton.edu

If you move your config.sys to the desktop, you have in effect moved it
out of your root directory of the boot drive and into a subdirectory,i.e
OS2! 2.0 Desktop. If OS/2 can't find the config.sys file, why shouldn't
it crash on bootup? You may as well have deleted config.sys, for all it's
concerned.

Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, can someone shed some light on
this?

Gyan P. Sinha
UBC, Vancouver. 


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From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Help!  Can't find directories
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:38:19 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Distribution: na

This is, as they say, not good.

I was installing an external HP Storage Cabinet with a
2GB DAT drive and a 1.3GB disk.  Finally got the system to 
recognize the external drive.  Used FDISK to create
an extended partition and the D: logical drive.
However, it came up as a FAT filesystem, and I want HPFS, like
my C: drive.

Looked in the OS/2 Users Guide, chapter 16: Using the HPFS.
It says "if you already have MS OS/2 1.2 or higher already installed,
you can install HPFS on an extended partition without reinstalling 
MS OS/2; the setup program on the Install disk allows you to 
add HPFS to your system. Follow these steps..."
which I did.   Nowhere did it ask me which drive did I wish to add
HPFS to.  Silly me, I figured Hey, it must see that C: is already 
HPFS, and know to use D:.  Silly me.
At step 5 on page 452 of the user's guide, I rebooted.  All kinds of
error messages about not being able to find my lanman drivers, my
D: drive, etc.  

At step 6, "format d: /fs:hpfs"  it says unable to find external
drive.  Hmmm, I say.  

So, I reboot.  Same problem.  

Now, I don't mind reinstalling from scratch; I just don't like it.
But, all my user files were in C:\home1\whatever.  If I do a dir
of C:\, home1 is listed as a directory.  I can cd to Home1, no 
problem.  But when I try a dir of home1 (and several other directories)
it tells me "the system cannot find the indicated path".

So, bottom line question:  Is there a way for me to recover the files
and directories that are apparantly lost?  

thanx

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Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 18:19:00 -0400 
From: Jeffrey Michael Gerber <jg3s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Shredder vs. Trash (was: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail)

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os2.apps: 2-Oct-92 Re: Shredder vs. Trash
(was.. by Heeren Pathak@mitre.org 
> Put together a OS/2 CMD script that moves all files from the Recylce folder
> into the shredder.  Then, add the script into the desktop menu.  It works
> just like the Mac!

Good idea.  Could you post the OS/2 or REXX script to do this?

Jeff

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From: sdyck@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sheldon Dyck)
Subject: Mathematica and OS/2
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:09:42 GMT

I just received an e-mail from Wolfram and they said that they will
produce a version of Mathematica for OS/2.  The following is the message 
that I received.  (I hope this clears up some of the rumours.)



Wolfram Research does intend to release an OS2 version of Mathematica,
probable very early next year.  Please feel free to contact me later on for
more specific release information.  Thank you for using Mathematica.

Sincerely,



Lori Gilmore
Academic Sales
Wolfram Research, Inc.
ph:   217-398-0700, ext. 233
fax:  217-398-0747
email:  lori@wri.com  


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171042.13421@unixg.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.032056@IASTATE.EDU> amah@IASTATE.EDU () writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.232036.21836@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
>>tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley) writes:
>>> In article <gyan.717617847@unixg.ubc.ca> gyan@unixg.ubc.ca (Gyan P. Sinha)
>>writes:
>>> >In <mg.717572342@elan> mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:
>>> >
>>
>>        (Stuff Deleted)
>>
>>
>>> >If you move your config.sys to the desktop, you have in effect moved it
>>> >out of your root directory of the boot drive and into a subdirectory,i.e
>>> >OS2! 2.0 Desktop. If OS/2 can't find the config.sys file, why shouldn't
>>> >it crash on bootup? You may as well have deleted config.sys, for all it's
>>> >concerned.
>>> >
>>> >Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, can someone shed some light on
>>> >this?
>>> 
>>> Basically, you've got it right, but the point he's trying to make is that
>>> it's too easy to do this under OS/2, if you don't understand the system.
>>> Heck, though, even dos is the same if you don't know what you're doing.  A
>>> friend of mine deleted command.com off his computer because "it was taking
>>> up space on the hard drive".
>>> 
>>> Ted
>>
>>I agree 100%. Everyday a few of the computers in our lab hang up because of this
>>problem. Some students save  their files in root directories and later delete
>>them by using " del *.*".
>>
>>Although we have notices in lab asking them not to do this, it keeps happening
>>at least on a couple of computers each day.
>>
>That's right. It happens in DOS too. You haven't had a student in your
>lab do a "format c:" yet then explains it by saying "I was formatting
>a bunch of disk with format b: but typed c: by mistake and didn't
>realize it till it took so long to format". Or those who copies
>everything from there disk to root "copy b:*.*" including the system
>files like autoexec, config.sys, command.com....etc. Oh I got tons of
>these stories for our DOS based lab.

Of course, if OS/2 had user file protections, all this would be solved!
It wouldn't let you do any system operations unless you are running in root
mode.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: ddulay@jarthur.claremont.edu (Daniel Dulay)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.002228.23337@muddcs.claremont.edu> jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
[lotsa stuff deleted]

>The biggest problem I have right now with WPS is that it's so damn hard
>to tell the difference between an actual file from the Drives object
>and a program object generated from the templates.  I thought I was
>being really smart by making icons by draging shadows of programs
>from the drives object.  Then I renamed them (to get rid of the .exe
>and make the name english) and the program wouldn't run.  It took me
>a while but I figured out that in renaming the shadow, I had renamed
>the actual file so the OS didn't know it was an executable program
>anymore (no .exe ending).
>
>The Mac has no program objects, just the files and programs themselves
>so you don't have this problem.  Windows makes a clear distinction
>between the two, in fact so clear that it's useless for file management
>(which is why Windows comes with a File Manager program).  I'd like to
>see WPS head in the direction of the Mac.
>-- 
>John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
>jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
>uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)

I thought that the WPS falls short of the Mac for the reason of backward
compatibility, i.e. all of those program settings in a program object are
for non-PM programs.  If you have only PM programs then your machine could
easily be made to act exactly like the Mac interface.  I hope this
will be possible soon, but there will need to be a lot of 3rd party
activity happening that I just don't see right now.  Also I would like
to give up some disk space so that the EAs of directories (containers) would
hold all of the necessary display info, i.e. object names, icons and some
type of pointer.  I'd think that this would make everything go a lot faster.

Daniel Dulay
ddulay@jarthur.claremont.edu

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From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Subject: Re: COMPRESS for os/2
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:44:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.170952.12721@panix.com> nate@panix.com (Nate Clark) writes:
>Some people in my organization are looking for an OS/2 utility similar
>to the COMPRESS available in both DOS and UNIX, or PKZIP available in
>DOS.  Any leads you can pass my direction will be greatly appreciated.
>
>nate@panix.com

Nate,

I have a version here of compress that works under OS/2 and is compatible with
Unix compress.  Also, there is a protected mode (16-bit) version of PKZIP for
OS/2 floating around that works great, except for HPFS long file names...
You should be able to find PKZIP2 on an archive site somewhere.  I got mine 
a while ago from the OS/2 Shareware BBS.

Jeff


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Interpreted P-code...what the hell is that...?
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:24:33 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

stimpy@nmt.edu (Stimpy) writes:
>What is 'interpreted P-Code'? I've never heard of it. Is it some crap where
>MS can reuse code among their applications the 'easy' way instead of
>compiling real code and linking? Please, fill me in (and everyone else
>who doesn't know what it is).

It's an old concept - the old UCSD Pascal on the Apple ][ used it, for
one.  Instead of compiling the high level language into the machine
language for the target machine, what you do is compile it into a low
level language similar to assembly language but not directly
executable on the processor.  This is the P-Code, which you then run
an interpreter on in order to produce actual results.  The advantage
is that you can supposedly move the P-Code to another machine that
knows how to interpret it.  The obvious disadvantage is that it's
slower than straight machine language, and that's even before you
consider things such as register assignments.

>Windows...It's like a stale cookie.
>OS/2..."It's like butter" (SNL quote)

Shouldn't that be "It's like buttah"?  No big whoop.
-- 
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From: woc8r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (William Owen Carlson)
Subject: Re: Cat and Mouse
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:43:18 GMT

In article <BvCIC1.8r6@unx.sas.com> sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com (Greg Wust) writes:
>
>
>I saw a program running on a demo machine last week
>that had a Cat chasing the mouse cursor on the OS/2 Desktop (catching
>it, napping if it didn't move, etc.).  I have since been informed this
>was a program called Neko which I got but it is a Windows program that
>when run, restricts the cat to a window and not free roaming the desktop.
>Is there a setting for this or an OS/2 version of the program?
>
>Thanks.  Greg
>
 
This is one of the "Fun and Games" things that you can install - look
in the Games folder (which is in the OS/2 System folder) to see if you
have "Cat and Mouse" installed.  If not, you can install it using the 
selective install feature.  Also, you can look for a program called
NEKO.EXE in your d:\OS2\APPS directory (where d is the drive you have
OS/2 installed on).



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From: lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai)
Subject: Help with PMCOMM
Originator: lai@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:43:19 GMT

I have two problems with using PMCOMM, maybe some of the netters can help!

First: When I login to my UNIX accounts using PMCOMM, the cursor position
doesn't get updated, i.e. The cursor always stays at the top-left corner
when using GNU emacs, etc.

Second:  When I read email/news that have lines longer than 80 characters, how
can I view make the extra characters wrap automatically?

These two items are most annonying, but otherwise I am quite happy with PMCOMM,
and will register my copy to get working zmodem.

Another thing, is there any plan to add scroll back buffer for VTxxx series
terminals?

Thanks!


William

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From: i28x1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: link386 pro (golf game by Access)
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:18:08 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Sep25.074147.21562@cvedc.prime.com>,
billt@cvedc.prime.com (Bill Tracy) writes: 
> Link386 Pro, by Access, looks to be a great golf game.  But how does it work
> with OS/2?  As it expects a 386 and SVGA, I am concerned that it may use a 
> special (incompatible with OS/2) memory manager!  So, if you have Link386
> running under OS/2, please let me (or the net) know.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Bill Tracy 	                  ..tektronix!ogcvax!cvedc!wtracy
> Prime Computer,Inc.			..sun!cvbnet!cvedc!wtracy

That's something I've been sort of wondering too... can OS/2 run programs that
expect to be running on a 386 in a DOS box?  If so how?  

My personal feeling is that it can't, but I haven't tried it yet... I would
assume it can't because the 386 and 486 can only virtualize an 8086... from
what I've read in the net, the P5might get the ability to virtualize itself,
which is what I think you would have to have to run something that requires a
386 or better....

Quazi Haque
I28X1@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU

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