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From: reinstat@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Reinstatler)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:28:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.121947.7869@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dlangend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl M Langenderfer) writes:
>        (stuff deleted)
>>   [stuff deleted]
>>law which prevents their naming the woman?
>>
>>Ian
>
> I don't know about laws in naming the woman but I do know most (maybe all)
> states have laws about naming minors.
>
>  --D.
Recently a court in the state of Washington affirmed that a
newspaper can publish the names of children who have been
victims of crimes involving sex.  Seems like a bad decision to
me since the child involved in the particular case was the
target of a lot of abuse at school after her name was published.

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Brain Dead
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:15:58 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Aug27.131722.10050@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> paula@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Paul) writes:
>Now I wonder if there are any movies that provide similar black humor 
>(not necessarily as much blood :) around or what other movies was this Director
>(can't remember his name but he's from New Zeeland I think ...) involved in ... ?

His name's Peter Jackson, but I just refer to him as "God". :-)

He's only done three films : Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, and
Braindead.

His next film will not be a splatter movie. It will be about a murder
case in New Zealand that happened in the 1950s (60s?). Two young girls
formed a relationship which was seen to be unhealthy. The mother of
one of the girls tried to split them apart - so they killed her with a
brick. Much scandal at the time.

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Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 19:42:51 -0400 
From: "Carey D. Clevenger" <cc79+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Various stuff RE Aliens, etc.
	<BtzyGn.BLI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Maybe, but wouldn't it be simpler just to change him to, say, a 101-A? 

It really BUGS me! I mean, really! 

I LOVED the movie, but that ONE part gets on my nerves EVERY TIME!


Carey
From: michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Other Incredible Asian Films
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:16 GMT
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg's message of 1 Sep 92 13:26:05 GMT


O.K. so this won't qualify as a Great Asian Film (tm),
but has anybody seen a flick by the title of
"The Seven Grandmasters" or something like that?
I'm not really sure of the title, and I'd like to confirm it.

I saw it a while ago, and just had to laugh during some of
the fighting scenes. "This is called walking the dog!"
"This is called kicking the mule!"
It's basically about a boy who apprentices himself to
a martial-arts expert.

Any takers?
Chaplin.
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From: psybm@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: DEEP RED Movie Plot
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:15:51 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University




I noticed on the net that people were talking about a film called
"Deep Red".  I saw this a long time ago on Australian T.V and found
it very scary.  However, I do remember being very confused about
what was actually going on in the plot ( my confusion now seems 
understandable given what I've read about the amount of film cut
from the original movie).  All that I can remember is that
David Hemmings witnesses a murder in a high rise building and races
up there to find the murderer gone.  He then is stalked (is this
the right movie?) by the killer.  There are two images that come
to mind when I recall this movie:

1) an overhead shot of David Hemmings' character at a piano, who
*somehow* realises that the killer is outside and only just manages
to make it to the door in time to lock it.

and
2) at the end of the movie the killer is revealed in a very striking
shot of the killer against a wall of paintings in the murder apartment.


If someone can, could you tell me the basic plot of the movie, and if 
it is not Deep Red, do you know what it is as I would like to get it
out on video if possible.

Thanks in advance,

Cath.
From: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: George Romero's "Martin"; SPOILERS
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:46:04 GMT
Reply-To: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: wham-o.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Sep3.015922.17462@usl.edu>, cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G) writes:
|> In article <la9e29INNa69@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:
|> >
|> >Plot.  Martin is the name of an (apparently) young man who is, or thinks
|> >he is, a vampire.  He has a cousin, named Cuda, who runs a butcher shop
|> >(but Romero does not take advantage of this coincidence).  Cuda is also 
|> >grandfather to a "modern" thinking young woman (modern by his standards)
|> >who lives with him.  Cuda takes Martin into his home (from where is unclear,
|> >as is the impetus to do so).  It is Cuda's mission to save Martin's soul
|> >and then to dispatch this to eternal life;  he claims that failing the 
|> >first, he will not fail the latter.
|> 
|> 
|> Sheesh!  In an earlier post (article 15285) I wrote that Martin was staying
|> with his Grandfather.  I should have checked my sources first.  David is
|> quite right:  Tati Cuda is Martin's cousin who is upset at the fact that
|> the family includes vampires (this is clear from the book; I don't recall
|> whether the family 'curse' is played up in the film).  For what its worth,
|> Cuda is certainly old enough to be Martin's grandfather, at least by
|> appearance:  Does that count?  ;-)
|> 
|> In the book, anyway, Martin is presented as being older than Cuda.
|> 
|> Cheers -
|>        Claude
|> 
|> 

In the movie, Martin is said to be 84 years old, but appears to be under 20
(to an old person like me, anyway).  Cuda appears to be 60-ish.  The family 
curse is played up in the movie as well.  As I remember, there were said
to have been 9 affected members of the family, of which Martin is one.

-- d
primeaux@cs.utk.edu
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Woody Allen (was: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:07:53 GMT
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI

In article <1992Aug24.133858.10319@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <malcolm.714329315@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>> donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Woody Allen's going through some weird charges of molesting one of his 7 year
>> old adoptive daughters, and meanwhile he has professed his love for a 21
>> year old adopted daughter of his.  
>> 

No.  She is NOT his adopted daughter. 

Just wanted you to get it straight.
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Movies From Outer Space
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: anderson@zymurgy.bms.com's message of 27 Aug 92 20:24:50 GMT

In article <ANDERSON.92Aug27152450@zymurgy.bms.com> anderson@zymurgy.bms.com (Jay Anderson) writes:

   Yup, you're in trouble now ;-) The Thing is one of my all time favorites.  I 
   bought four different videos until I found one that still had the scene where
   Captain Hendry gets tied up by his love interest.

!!! Mama mia.  I don't believe I've ever seen a version with this
scene in it.  Could you describe what takes place and when it is in
the movie?  Thanks: ``perspiring minds want to know''.

   And BTW, it's "The Thing from Another World".

Apparently the ``from Another World'' was added because there was a
contemporary novelty song called ``The Thing'' and the movie makers
didn't want anybody to be confused.  (Is this the song that has ``I
discovered a [sound of three thuds] right inside the box'' as its
chorus?)

-30-
Bob
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Hawk the Slayer
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:20:44 GMT

In article <mwojcik-310892130139@college23.sas.upenn.edu> mwojcik@pennsas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik) writes:
>Am I the only person on this planet who thought this was a cool movie!?
>When I was away at college, we watched a lot of movies (strange but true),
>and everybody hated it except me.
>
>For those who don't know, Hawk the Slayer is a D&D type adventure movie
>with a hero (HAWK), a witch, a giant, a dwarf, and an elf seeking to help
>a nunnery retreive their mother superior from the clutches of the evil
>villain
>(played by Jack Palance). Some of the special effects are pretty cool, and
>the
>story is really good.
>
>At the end of the movie they left things wide open for a sequel but I don't
>think one was ever made. If anybody else liked this movie let me know I'm
>not
>alone. If anyone knows of a sequel let me know (Please!).
>
>
>                    ___             
>                   /|||\               
>       ___....-----'---`-----....___              So cool I stole it!
>=========================================    
>        ___`---..._______...---'___           
>       (_*_)      _|_|_|_      (_*_)      
>         \\____.-'_.---._`-.____//       
>          `~~~~`.__`---'__.'~~~~`         
>                   ------                

I watched this at least 4 times. It ain't too bad, but a bit low key for the
genre. Also it missed the fantasy craze by about 2 years.
Patricia Quinn <Magenta in Rocky Horror> was in it, and was appropriately
enigmatic...

					--Judex--
From: jeff@jeckle.tamu.edu (Jeff Raymond)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: pig latin in Top Secret! (?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:27:54 GMT
Organization: College of Architecture, Texas A&M University

In article <185jurINNgo6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> tgolobic@indiana.edu writes:
>
>so i saw Top Secret! again last night, but didn't have the patience to try
>to decode what the priest is saying in pig latin while he is leading
>Nick Rivers to the electric chair.
>
>does anybody know?
>

It's been awhile since I've seen this one, but what the priest is saying
is NOT pig latin but actual latin.  I had seen it with a friend back in 
high school, and both of us were actually taking a latin class at the 
time (Catholic high school, you know).  Anyway, the things the priest was
saying were things like famous Latin phrases (I think "caveat emptor"
showed up in there somewhere) and recited declensions, for instance of the
word "this", which we had just gone over like the week before (it's the
bit where the priest begins "hic haec hoc, huius huius huius, huic huic etc").
This struck us as incredibly funny and we burst out laughing.  The strange
bit was that the rest of the audience followed our lead.

As if they had any IDEA why we were laughing.


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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: A Pointed Question
Keywords: impaling, cliche
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:21:49 GMT

In <1992Aug28.131645.21669@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dlangend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl M Langenderfer) writes:

> ???? _Commando_ impaled with a big pipe by Arnie.

[other suggestions deleted]

>          --D.


Yep.  That's always been a personal fave.  At the 'climax' of the
film, which has basically been a custody battle par excellence between
John Matrix (Arnold Schwarzenegger) and a *very* campy Bennett (Vernon
Wells), Bennett *screams* that he will castrate Matrix and so Matrix
drives a pipe through him.  The plume of white steam that shoots
(squirts?) out of the pipe kills me.

Ian
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:33:18 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws81.ucsd.edu

Most embarrasing movie:
That's easy.  "The Dark Backwards" starring Judd Nelson, Bill Paxton,
James Caan and a few other notables.  It tried so very hard to be a
cult movie.  So very, very hard.  But it was so very, very dumb.

On the plus side, the theatre that i saw it in (the Vista on
Sunset Boulevard in LA) was really cool.  The theatre was decorated
in a kind of red and black Eqyptian deco motif, replete with huge
faces staring down from the cobwebbed ceilings.  Great theatre,
awful flick.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Half-remembered movie
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.013238.12117@morrow.stanford.edu> AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu  writes:
>
>
>When I was a kid I saw a movie called "Blood on Satan's Claw" -
>I remember it starting with a medieval farmer plowing a field and
>uncovering something, a skull or bones I think....I remember one
>scene which scared me badly - a guy in an attic (?) trying desper-
>ately to keep something underneath from opening the trap door and
>this scene may have included a dismemberment of some kind...also
>seems that the story included patches of hair growing on peoples
>skins, and a priest fighting the devil around a blazing fire at
>the end....anyone remember this?  Was it a Hammer film?  Any info
>will help.
>


All info from the Psychotronic Encyclopedia:

Blood On Satan's Claw
1970 Tigon/Cannon <england>
Director/Screenwriter: Piers Haggard

<Abridged from the book, in the interests of brevity>
Effective witchcraft thriller set in 17th Century England. Linda Hayden
stars as a seductive Blonde serving the devil. A Coven of possessed children  
is formed. A Judege <Patrick Wymark> tries to put a stop to the evil.

I have seen it available for rent at some of the stores I haunt, so it's
out there.

					--Judex--

Xref: sparky alt.cult-movies:7258 rec.arts.movies:26399 rec.arts.sf.movies:6816
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Various stuff RE Aliens, Terminator, etc.
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:37:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <92245.123133TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>
>2nd:
>    Ever notice how lots of the actors in Aliens, T1, T2, Predator, P2, etc.
>frequently appear together in movies?  True fans probably know this, but if
>you hadn't noticed, allow me to attempt to make some kind of "chart" here, with
>actors names when I know them, character names when I know _them_, and descript
>ions of character roles when all else fails:

>black bald guy- Guy who gets scorpion offa other guy's back in Predator, bad
>                guy in Commando

Bill Duke?

I think he's put on enough weight since Predator to preclude many more
similar roles in action pictures...








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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Rutger Hauer's quote at the end of Bladerunner
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:11:11 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Someone just asked this EXACT same question a few months ago either
here or on alt.cyberpunk !
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: REALLLLLLY bad embarassing (video) movies
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:18:36 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws82.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep2.142400.27708@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
writes:
>Ah well. Since the thread has slipped a little towards the video end, and
>there is considerable embarassment value to be had from returning videos,
>here are my candidates for crapness...
>
>Dark side if the Moon, The Taking of Beverly Hills, Witchcraft.
>
>Ian J Davenport    MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl
>
>                    "Who got that video out..?"
>
"Delusion."

Do _not_ see this movie.  Do not rent it.  Do not watch it if it comes on
cable.  I might have liked it if it were a comedic drama/cult film (as
it purported itself to be).  There was neither comedy nor drama, nor
tension (that they tried so hard to build).  It sucked.

My fiancee left the room after thirty-five minutes.  Ten minutes later
the rest of us started commenting upon the general badness of the flick.
Ten minutes later it was turned off.

An utter waste of time.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 05:39:59 EST
From: <MONELLO@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: The Fabulous Stains

Reading the post about J-Men Forever reminded me of another film I saw on the
late, lamented Night Flight.  Does anyone out there know if "Ladies and
Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains" is out on video?

Thanks,

Mike
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"This trial is a mockery of a sham of a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a
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From: z_tracybd@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Hey! I liked Star Trek V!
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:52:31 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University




While skimming through this net, i came across several negative references
to Star Trek V.

Whats the deal here?  I thought the" row your boat" scene was a good
effort at binging the ST crew "down to earth," so to speak.  It sorta
connects them with the audience on a basic level.  I mean, who hasn't sung
that song when they were a kid?  Of course, when i saw the movie, i thought
it was going o be the last one, so it seemed appropriate for the last scene
to be on Earth.

My problem is this:  Why can the Enterprise travel to the center of the 
galaxy in a few days when the rest of the federation is still mucking about
in one little corner of the galaxy?  Any real trekkie out there with access
to a starmarp will know that this seems odd.

Flame Away!
  


Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Subject: Re: GODZILLA NEWS
Keywords: Godzilla Gargantuas Video Japanese Monster
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.051436.503@news.columbia.edu> dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner) writes:
>Paramount Home Video will FINALLY be releasing both GODZILLA'S
>REVENGE and WAR OF THE GARGANTUAS on VHS in early September.
>
>Both tapes will cost $9.95, and will be in EP mode.
>
>
>
>
>David Milner  Columbia University
>inet:   dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu
>usenet: ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox!dave
>        ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox.cc.columbia.edu!dave

These tapes will be available in stores on Sept. 9th, the same day the 
GODZILLA VS. CHARLES BARKLEY commercial is going to be debuted.


David Milner  Columbia University
inet:   dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu
usenet: ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox!dave
        ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox.cc.columbia.edu!dave
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Total Recall again!!!, was Re: Filmed Philip Dick
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:27:35 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Aug24.053152.15738@jyu.fi> mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano) writes:

>  There are some points that suggest otherwise, but I just can't buy the
>  story if it wasn't a memory implant.  And too many things point to it
>  being a mem implant.  

I never really thought that the question was whether it was an implant or not.
The real question IMO, is whether 

(1) The 'vacation' has gone normally and he will wake up. This is what the rest
of the world would consider a happy ending to his experience even though it
means leaving the world he wanted to go back to one he hated.

or

(2) He really did have a problem and would never wake up. To everyone else
this would have been a horror tale, a permanently destroyed human being
spending the rest of his life in a coma.  Of course to him it would have
meant spending the rest of his life where he wanted to be. As to the
sweat on the visiting doctors forehead, if the pill could be a symbolic
method of accepting reality then why couldn't the sweat be his way of 
rejecting it? 

PKD always seemed to play with the idea of virtual reality vs 'reality'.
Would entering into a better 'virtual reality' be escape or lobotomy?

 

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From: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Tannhauser, the minnesinger
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:16:55 GMT
Reply-To: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: wham-o.cs.utk.edu

In article <78844@ut-emx.uucp>, guccione@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Guccione) writes:
|> 
|> After months (years?) of hearing questions and speculation about
|> "Tannhauser Gate" from "Blade Runner", I decided to take a stab and
|> look it up in my trusty Deluxe Color Edition Webster's New Twentieth
|> Century Unabridged Dictionary (Second Edition).
|> 
|> Here's what I found:
|> 
|> Tannhauser n. 1. a German knight and minnesinger of the 13th century,
|>    identified with a legendary knight who seeks absolution after
|>    giving himself up to revelry in Venusberg.
|>       2. an opera by Wagner (1845) based on this legend.
|> 
|> 
|> Now for the start of another thread:  anyone know what a minnesinger
|> is? :^)

A very, very small singer?  A pocket sewing machine?

-- d

|> 
|> -- Steve
|> -- 9/1/92
From: andrewg@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Buffy and Pee-Wee
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:27:57 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


	Just a note in defense of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer;" if you can
go to see it at a matinee showing, or a cheap theater, it's definitely
worth the money because of Paul Reubens (that's Pee-Wee Herman to both 
of the people out there who didn't already know that).  His contribution 
to the film makes the rest of it quite worth sitting through (esp. his
final scene).  Not that the entire film is so bad, either; just very 
predictable.  If Reubens appeared in the film more often, I'd recommend
a full-price viewing.
	Anyway, it's nice to see that he's not just a one-act gimmicky
flash-in-the-pan type of guy; I'm looking forward to lots more Good Good
Things from his playhouse.
			
				from
				Andrew