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From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Cloves - Where else would I ask?
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:10:59 GMT

Paul Lord (plord@pioneer.uspto.gov) wrote:
: Can anyone clarify a few questions about clove cigarettes for me?
: I have heard the following unsubstantiated rumors:
: * Cloves contain no nicotine

False.  All the clove cigarettes I have ever seen are (strong) tobacco
with cloves and/or clove oil added as flavoring.

: * Cloves make your lungs bleed

Sure can, if you smoke enough.  That's not the most serious thing, though;
see below.

: * The resin in cloves crystallizes in your lungs

False.  This is a typical error of over-concreteness, along the lines of
"LSD crystallises in your spinal fluid and then dissolves later giving
you a flashback."  (Which is totally false, but there seems to be something
compelling about the simplicity of this sort of explanation.  Biological
systems are a lot more complex and subtle than that, most of the time.)
Let it suffice that clove oil contains analgesic components, helping you
not feel what would normally make you cough like hell, and is also mildly
corrosive -- drop some on a piece of paper some time and watch it slowly
corrode the paper over the next month.
 
: Also, What's the deal with cigarette classification?  The Djarum unfiltered
: I used to like were class B, the Sampoerna X-tra filters I smoke now are
: class A.  

I'm not sure, but I think "class A" means filtered, "class B" unfiltered.
Does it really matter? 

I have seen some reports that clove cigarettes appear to be associated with
emphysema and other forms of lung degeneration to an unusual degree.  I don't
have journal references, so I'd normally keep my mouth shut, but I have one 
more data point:  

I was diagnosed with a mild (early) case of emphysema at age 30, which is
extraordinarily young even for a heavy smoker.  I smoked cigarettes for about
8 years, clove cigarettes for 4 of those 8.  It would be quite unusual for
any signs of lung damage to show up that fast in a smoker of ordinary cigs,
even the half pack of unfiltered straights I used to smoke.

I would advise you to seriously consider chucking the habit ASAP.

: No comment on why I learned how to inhale smoke :)

Yeah, me too, which is why you're at greater risk because you are likely to
hold the smoke.  Weigh the benefits -- would you really want to have to
quit smoking pot because your lungs were trashed and you could no longer 
risk _any_ further smoke damage?

  -- Clifton

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From: jhall@terapin.com (Jaime Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:59:07 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1i5rt9INN8e2@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt
williams) writes:
>
>Aside from buying all the Reddi Whip in Virginia, where do you get 
>it?  Is this something I can look up in the yellow pages and order a bottle
>of.  I'm running out of teeth to get drilled.
Go to your local head shop there called wippits,mmmmm. or try an outdoor
sportinggoods store(REI) or somthin.
                )ArGo)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: swainj@lofn1.acc.stolaf.edu (John Swain)
Subject: Re: Behavior on Acid
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:57:34 GMT

In article <BzM4xC.330@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>>(Long relation of a friend's experience on Lsd and pot deleted)
>
>	Question:
>Is this guy
>	a) against acid and posting a severe misinterpretaion of a fairly
>normal stong acid trip
>	_OR_
>	b) all for acid and being sarcastic about the idea of these things
>being "BAD"?
>
>	also: Does this guy know the difference between hallucinations and 
>"bad physical side effects"
>
>						Sean
	To answer your first question I am not for acid nor am I against it.  
I *do* believe that it should be legalized simply because I believe it is a 
person's right to do what their body what they please(And cases of people 
becoming violent on LSD are rare, probably more rare than cases of people 
becoming violent without any drugs).  Why do you think I am posting a 
misinterpretation?  I am merely telling you what this person told me he saw 
and something tells me that he would know, considering he was the one          
experiencing it.  He may *not* have had any telepathic communications but he 
certainly believed he did at the time.  Also, it is common for different 
people to have completely different trips, depending on their personalities.
This person was very frightened (If not horrified) and did experience some 
things which I would consider extremely unpleasant.
	AS to your second question I was merely pointing out some of the 
good and bad things about an LSD experience.  And as to your third question I
think I should make myself more clear.  The bad physical side effects were 
shaking and abnormal production of saliva which we call "cottonmouth" around 
here.  Some other effects which were physical hallucinations were feelings such
as his bones creaking against eachother and melding into eachother and a feeling that he had no soft flesh to protect the inner parts of his body.  I may have
referred to these as physical side effects just because that is how I am used
to referring to them.
	What I really wanted to do was to point out some of the things people
can expect during an intense trip so that they can prepare for it and realize 
that no, they're not going crazy and that they should just try their best to go
with the feelings they are having, and also that they should certainly be in a 
fairly safe place with people they trust.
	                     
			Disclaimer: I exist only in your imagination.

           
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From: 3dgraph@netcom.com (Three D Graphics)
Subject: Info on "Moonlight"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:51:11 GMT

I'm interested in any information on a psychedelic drug with the street name
"Moonlight". The doses I've seen are in small pill form and the trips are
supposed to last about 5 hours. Any info, especially technical, would be
swish.

Thanks,
BW.
Organization: Hidden - I don't speak for them...
X-Stuff:      <This should be witty, but I'm too tired right now.>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:22:37 EST
From: David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: PGP warning (ooo; I am scared)

In article <1992Dec22.041219.7935@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Space for Rent ) says:
> Risks of using pgp
> <lots of stuff deleted about ongoing arguments about PGP and
>  RSA patents and infringement>

  One way to get around possible infringement through personal
  use of PGP and the RSA patents is to get a *personal* license
  to use RSA (and their routines) from the patent holders and then
  use them through PGP.  The personal license is free BTW.

       - David
From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:27:23 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Dec21.163133.23604@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>>
>>If you are "a little stupid about remembering your values..." while under
>>the influence of a substance then you should 1) learn to be more 
>>responsible about becoming intoxicated or 2) re-evaluate your values.

(excellent advice)
> 
> No kidding.  I wonder if his tone would have been so cautious and
> mysterious if he'd been talking about alcohol.  No drug makes you do
> something you don't want to do.  If she wanted to have sex with the guy
> while high then it probably crossed her mind more than once to have sex
> with him sober, even if she had no intention of ever acting on that
> thought.  A drug might ease one's reluctance about doing something, but no
> drug can make you do something you don't want to do.

Having experimented with drugs which temporarily completely re-wire
consciousness, perception and logic, I see no reason why one
might not commit an act while intoxicated that one would have
absolutely no desire to commit when straight. The intoxication
would have to be extreme, and I think such acts would be rare,
but the possibility certainly exists. Under such circumstances,
point one above is applicable; e.g. it may be necessary to arrange
for a straight minder in advance. 

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
>
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:27:19 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Dec27.012019.1@pomona.claremont.edu> cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore) writes:
>	You're forgetting that alcoholism is a disease, whether a mental or
>physiological addiction...having a good experience isn't going to affect the
>alcoholic's drinking -- he will still need alcohol to function.

Yeah, sure. "Poor alcoholics. Such a horrible disease."

Just read from the newspapers today of a new drug naloxone which
prevents the brain from forming natural opiates when drinking. Somewhere
in the article they also quoted the original speaker:"We have found more
evidence to the claim that alcoholism is a biochemical disease and not
just lack of willpower". With this in mind we could treat addiction
whatsoever as a disease. So what? Does it change the fact that a person
is addicted and unable to control him/herself?

I am deeply wondering what do these "scientists" think a human is but a
biochemical machine. 

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From: gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Rip Torn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Tropanes in 'Taters
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:53:00 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <csL5VB1w164w@cellar.org>, dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud) writes...
>In a recent post:
> 
I was told that lidacane(sp?) was extracted from potatos, has anyone heard of
this?  sounds bogus to me.

also I have heard that there is 1/10 the theriputic dose of morphine in
2 quarts of milk, sounds pritty strange to me.

anyone know the truth>

rip
From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Why I don't like MDMA
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:14:33 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


>I'm glad you realise it, but for the record: using drugs to solve
>your personal problems is almost never constructive (I've tried too).
>A personal problem is a hurdle in your life to be overcome, and using
>drugs to do that is self-defeating. I also have become somewhat


>be a constructive influence in your life, so long as you don't expect
>too much - they're just chemicals. Sure they do some amazing things
>and can make life fun, interesting etc. Sure they also have their
>down side (coming down off X isn't much fun, or speed for that matter)
>and YES, you can learn a lot from them. But *don't* take drugs, thinking
>that they'll fix up your life - that's your job! (and fixing your life
>on your own is the ultimate rush...)
>
>Gadget (tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU)

exactly. my FOAF always goes into experimentation with the attitude that
in order to truly experience a drug's effects, you have to be able to
apply what youv'e learned.

concerning MDMA in particular, he says that he rarely even takes it
anymore because he knows exactly the feeling associated with it, and
can be totally happy with his world whenever he wants. he finds that
he is able to communicate with people more easily and openly,
he can make new friends at the drop of a hat, and is a happier person
in general.
learn from it.
   -camper.
.

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From: j_manes@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:03:44 EDT

In article <D4c1VB8w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz>, system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> 
>> Of course, you can also "od" on water.
> 
> There are enough toxins in potatoes to kill you if you eat 7 tons in one day.
> 
> 
> -- 
>   Wayne McDougall, BCNU
>   This .sig unintentionally left blank.
> 
> Hello! I'm a .SIG Virus. Copy me and spread the fun.




Actually, it's not the potatoes that are 'poisonous'; it's the eyes that
grow from the potato skin.  The eyes are toxic and if eaten in sufficent
amounts will kill an adult human.  Seven tons sounds right, but it's been
a while since I studied this.
 
Jean Manes          |    Why are you guys skewing my curve???

                   

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: Re: God and alcohol
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:10:48 PST

In article <1993Jan2.201947.26772@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> Substituting God for alcohol or any other durg is indeed a swapping of
> dependencies. 
> But last I looked, God didn't eat your liver. 
> Drugs are not for all, and even those who use some, shouldn't use others.
> It all depends on the person, but at least "God" is free. Nobody sole
> their house to buy more "God" for their dependency.
> Pax
> 					--Judex--
> 
excepting those who mailed in their life's savings to televangelists, and those
who become so obsessed with it that it takes over their lives...besides the
basic absence of this god character, it's too dominant to be healthy...my
favorite satire of this would be from repo man -- the parents who sat glued to
the screen...

alcohol is too expensive. though.  damn sin taxes.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ah742@yfn.ysu.edu (TJ Martzial)
Subject: Tranquilizer Orgy
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:51:43 GMT


from _The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trip_
by Stephanie Coontz, Basic Boks 1992

>Tranquilizers were developed in the '50's in response to a need that
>physicians explicitly saw as female.  Virtually non-existent in 1955,
>tranquilizer consumption ...soared to 1.15 MILLION pounds by 1959.

An incredible statistic IMHO, thought it warranted posting

She goes running for the shelter of her mother's little helper
Helps her get her through the day
Helps her on her busy way.

-- 
sativa@mindvox.phantom.com
tj@well.sf.ca.us
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:52:15 GMT

mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
: 
: >I suspect that the LSD had nothing to do with the death, and that he died
: >of acute alcohol poisoning. 
: 
: >Bill
: 
: Well I don't believe the article at all. It contains several factual
: errors and I suspect the whole thing is an elaborate fabrication by a lazy
: reporter.

Well, Clifton is going to write to the addresses provide. Hopefully, we 
will have more information in a month or so - assuming the post awful
does not lose the mail.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:27:25 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:

: To sum up, no-one is suggesting that LSD outright killed this guy, by
: direct toxic effects. Merely that it contributed to the death, in much the
: same way that alcohol is blamed (quite rightly) for deaths in road
: accidents when one party has been drinking. The cause of death may be massive
: trauma, or fire, but it wouldn't have happened (probably) without the alcohol
: in the driver's bloodstream (for example).

From what was quoted - it looked very much like the doctor was saying that
lsd caused the death. Note the "alcohol could increase the chance of death
from lsd" or similar statement that was made.

That is where I disagree. The statement implies that the lsd is toxic, and
that the toxicity increases with use of alcohol.

Bill
From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:37:37 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <22DEC199213214669@csa2.lbl.gov>, tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY) writes:
> Hey man....
> just wondering how bad crack is for your lungs.  I know that sometimes thos
> screens people seem to favor in the city are pretty bad... and they
> oxidize, adding to the malodorous flavor...   But how bout at a bottom
> line?  Is it way way way way worse than cigarettes, and how bout pot
> while we're at it?  Also, crack through an aluminum pipe, will that
> have some particles oxidize and burn me up inside?
> Figure smoking a nickel to a twenty a week of highly bastardized shit rocks...
> so no I don't freebase 90% coke anymore, adding to the uncertainty... 
> but I just need a ballpark figure.
> Thanks all you MD hacker smokers out there!

And while we are on the subject, how bad is smoking DMT (or inhaling
the base vapour plus sundry degredation products and particulates)
for your poor lungs? That icky gooey vile-smelling black tar
probably consisting of hyper-carcinogenic polyaromatic polyindoles
bothers me from time to time. Has anyone done a study of the 
lung damage caused by smoking any nasty concentrated chemical
(as opposed to plant matter)?
> 
Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Mescaline from Toluene
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 03:22:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.205235.4771@penet.fi> an2509@anon.penet.fi writes:
>A friend of mine who has taken several undergraduate organic chemistry c
urses
>says that it would be "easy" to synthesize Mescaline from Toluene.  Sinc
 I've
>read a couple of times on alt.drugs that analyses of seized synthetic Me
caline
>in fact showed no Mescaline at all, I think that it could hardly be easy
  I'm
>not asking how to do it, but whether there are any serious problems with
my
>friend's idea.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi

>Please note you _don't_ have to have an anon id to receive anonymous mai
!
>To see how your anonymized message would appear, mail it to test@anon.pe
et.fi


 Do you think that _any_ serious clandestine lab is going to leave any
finished product around? That would be more stupid than humanly possible
(almost...). This brings up a good legal argument: So what happens to the
guy wqith the lab? Does he still go to court? Is it illegal to have a lab
in your basement? W

St. Anthony

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From: ap.7630@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] Theoretical DMT extraction from D. Illoensis
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 26 Dec 92 02:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: ap.7630@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu


Lets say someone followed the following process for extraction,
and it didn't work, could someone please state why, and where 
something went wrong, along with brief instructions on how to fix 
this problem? Thanks
 
(1) Milled ~.33 lb dried D. Ill. roots. 
 
(2) Soaked root fibers in non-polar solvent at room temp for 2 hours.
 
(3) Drained. Then soaked in polar solvent for 4 hours at room temp.
 
(4) Drained off polar solvent, then evaporated it.
 
 
What should be done? Do again with heat added to solvents? 


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From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: PGP warning (ooo, am I scared)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 22:57:19 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications,
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>>I recieved this from a freind who gave me a copy of pgp; just goes to show
>>ya that big bro doesn't want us to have nice toys like this...
>
>Excusses of national security are used, but much pressure comes from the
>FBI that any such code available to persons of the USA can be easily broken
Hmmmmmm....................   (first chance I've had to use that lead in)

It's not the FBI who objects.  I won't mention who it is, but if you
watch the movie Sneakers, you might get a clue.  They may have laid it
at the feet of the FBI since the Fed didn't even admit the existance of
the other guys (at Ft. Meade) until 1980 or so.

These are the last people in the world I'd f..k with.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: LSD
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:14:33 GMT
Keywords: LSD

cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:

>    LSD is a derivative of a carboxylic acid; it is not acidic itself.  Its
>two amine functions, which are basic, allow it to form salts with acids.

   Which of the three nitrogens does not protolyse?
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Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:14:58 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


Laughing gas has made trips to the dentist fun.

Is it a controlled substance?
From: @symphony.cc.purdue.edu (null pointer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Children Slaughtered in Massive Deleterious Uprising
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:31:00 GMT
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity

>In article <1992Dec13.181635.21958@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) writes:
>> I don't know if this has any relevance, but I read a recent article in
>> Newsweek about a man who was murdered by a lethal dose of LSD served to him
>> in jello. If there is interest, I can get the date, the page, and the text
>> of the article. (it was very short)

	Nononono.  You have that all wrong.  It was a lethal dose of JELLO 
served with a hit of acid.
	The jello (made with cows hooves) turned to glue (also made with cows
hooves) in his stomach and he starved to death.
	
	Just goes to show you: never eat a refrigerator full of Jello.

	(yes this is a joke)
								Sean
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Subject: people who've tried antidepessants
Summary: I've tried an antidepressant with no luck and wanted to share info
Keywords: antidepressant agents
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:26:35 GMT

I have been suffering from chronic depression and as a last resort I
decided to try an antidepressant. (fluoxetine trade-name Prozac)  It
didn't do more than triple my already crushing anxiety--sanke oil as
far as I'm concerned.

I posted this article to get some responses from people who have taken
antidepressant agents with or without success.

Please respond e-mail to: szikopou@ccs.carleton.ca

Thanks

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