HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Shut up, Cro
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:41:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Chicago Cro writes:

>In the past few postings, you have attacked people, and supported the
>Nazi-Filth of the Serbs. As a Jew in 1992 you should be shocked at the
>attrocities comitted by the NAZI Serbs. Intresting how you support the
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>use of concentration camps, when it had been thought that these atrocities had
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



      Well, either end this distortion of truth or be exposed
      as a liar on the net.  Produce any excerpt from my postings
      in which I claimed to support the use of concentration camps!
      

 
>been taken care of and the people responsible, tried in a court of law.
>    It seems to me that whenever someone mentions Croatian nationalism,
>the Serbs quickly equate it with Nazis. I DON'T THINK SO! Yet for a jew
>to take the stand of these NEW FASCISTS, I cannot in good concience
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^


      You cannot even spell the word conscience, much less
      possess one, Cro.


>abide with their beliefs. I also think these new NAZIS MUST BE DEALT WITH
>LIKE THEIR ORIGINAL CONTERPARTS IN HITLR'S TIME.
>
>Ed may you wake up and smell the coffee.



      I did awaken, and you give off a very unpleasant odour.


>-Chicago Cro

-- Eduard
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Fascists on the net
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 21:52:51 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

> 
> Damir Matanic writes:
> 
> >Bravo !           May God curse all of those who wish to
> >reunite the Serbo-Yugo-Slavia !!!
> 
> 
> 
>       Matanic, dear, the world will not forget the 600,000 Serb
>       and Jewish victims of the last independent Croat state, nor
>       will people overlook your fervent desires to sweep this
>       genocide under the carpet.  You may pretend to be a Christian,
>       but you clearly do not understand what Christendom is really
>       about.  God does not take sides in political conflicts.  You
>       remind me of the preacher who told his congregation that
>       God is on the side of the Republicans in the current election.
> 
> 
> >Bog i Hrvati
> 
> 
>       God and Croats???  You are a sick man.
> 
> 
> >        Za Dom Spremni !!
> 
> 
> 
>       Ebal ya v rot tvoju fashistsko-horvatskuju boltovnju.
> 
> 
> -- Eduard Wiener

You said that your father did the killing in Jasenovac.  So, he was 
Croatian huh?      An Ustasa ?!?!?!?!?!?

  You have Croatian blood flowing in your veins?

You're nothing but a damn Yugo-Cetnik S.O.B. ! 

The Ustasa fought to defend the Croatian and Muslim populations in both 
Croatia and Bosna-Hercegovina.  There was nothing "fascistic" about them.
Let me guess, you would probably say that today's Croatian leadership is 
also fascist, eventhough the H.D.Z. is made up of former communists.
Independent Croatia=fascist state, huh?

If you are part Croat, the you're a trator. Go back to the Yugo newsgroup 
where you belong.

Rot in hell cetnitcko stoko !


--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: pavlovic-milan@CS.YALE.EDU (Milan Pavlovic)
Subject: Re: Drina II
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:42:31 GMT

In article <4LawRB4w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic) writes:
>
>Cuj te Srbski dobrovoljci bando cetnitci !
>Stici ce vas nasa ruka i u Srbiji !!
>Stici ce vas nasa ruka i u Srbiji !!

Ha, ha, ha! Damire, javi mi se kad dodjes u New York ili negde drugo blizu 
Yale-a.  Onda ces da vidis kako Srpski Cetnik bije.

Milan
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 10:16:44 CDT
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Proglavnik's Return

To all my Croatian brothers and sisters. A now departed leader of honor
returns. Proglavnik. With him are: Dzafer Beg, his right hand man...
General Luburic... all the others who have given their lives for Croatia
will return. We will take our fallen brothers and sisters and bury them
with honor in Croatia.

Slava im.

-Chicago Cro
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9024 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:252
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Substantiate your claims, Zlatko
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:47:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Zlatko Sijercic writes:

>Fourth, his posting are full strange alleged facts, like his grand-father was
>killing Croats in Jasenovac!?, he has no links to Israel, open hartred towards
>Croats and Muslims etc...



      Zlatko, please produce this fictitious posting in which
      I supposedly claim that my grandfather was killing
      Croats in Jasenovac!  I GIVE YOU ONE WEEK TO
      PRODUCE AND RE-POST THIS POSTING.  These distortions
      of my personal background will cease once and for all.


-- Eduard Wiener
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Arabs in Bosnia
Date: 2 Oct 1992 00:23:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

THE SUNDAY TIMES, August 30 1992.
Arabs join in Bosnia war, by Andrew Hogg

Arab fighters, many veterans of the Afghan war, have arrived in Bosnia to
wage a holy war in defence of local muslims.The first group, believed to nu-
mber about 100, arrived earlier this month and have already suffered eight 
dead and several wounded in clashes with Serbs.
The Arabs are based in two towns close to the Bosnianfront line:Travnik, where
they have taken over a house, and Zenica, where they have occupied a retirement
home.
They include Algerians, Sudanese, Gulf Arabs and Turks, all fighting under the
command of Bosnia's recently formed Muslim Forces army, which accepts in its 
ranks only strict followers of Islam.
.....
The mujaheddin fighters apparently have the backing of Alija Izetbegovic and
his government.They have also won the loyalty of local muslims, and claim their
stricter ways are gradually being adopted with more modest dress being worn by
women and anew absence of alcohol.
Their presence, widely suspected but until this weekend never proven, has alar-
med many Bosnian Croats who fear when the war ends, the mujaheddin will try to
turn Bosnia into an Islamic republic.
......
At Zenica's retirement home, where a large black flag with a Koranic inscrcri-
ption is draped in the foyer, a Muslim Forces officer said there were about 30
Arabs in the area.At Visoko, a doctor reported that a Force of 30 had passed 
through the town.
At the headquarters ofthe HVO, or Croatian Defence Council, in Zenica, Zivko 
Totic the local commander said the Arabs were "extremists, and not very frie-
ndly to Croats".There were not many in town, he said, but enough to "enda-
nger" people by provoking incidents between Croats and muslims.
"They started arriving about a month ago.Croats here have bitter feelings about
all this.We are able to defend ourselves.We don't want Arab soldiers here who, 
when the war is over, would like to create a fundamentalist country.Already 
Croats are losing their jobs to muslims in Zenica."
......
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Fascists on the net
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:08:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Damir Matanic writes:

>Bravo !           May God curse all of those who wish to
>reunite the Serbo-Yugo-Slavia !!!



      Matanic, dear, the world will not forget the 600,000 Serb
      and Jewish victims of the last independent Croat state, nor
      will people overlook your fervent desires to sweep this
      genocide under the carpet.  You may pretend to be a Christian,
      but you clearly do not understand what Christendom is really
      about.  God does not take sides in political conflicts.  You
      remind me of the preacher who told his congregation that
      God is on the side of the Republicans in the current election.


>Bog i Hrvati


      God and Croats???  You are a sick man.


>        Za Dom Spremni !!



      Ebal ya v rot tvoju fashistsko-horvatskuju boltovnju.


-- Eduard Wiener
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Drina II
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:38:03 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro) writes:

> To all Croats and Bosnians:
> 
> Drinu treba pregaziti i Srbiju zapaliti.
>           -Translation-
> 
>     The River Drina must be crossed and Serbia burned.
> 
> 
>   Love Chicago Cro.
> 

        Za Dom Spremni !!!

Cuj te Srbski dobrovoljci bando cetnitci !
Stici ce vas nasa ruka i u Srbiji !!
Stici ce vas nasa ruka i u Srbiji !!


--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 15:01:12 CDT
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Fascist Serbia (Re: Independent Croatia

In article <717392771@globe07.cs.duke.edu>, wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward
Wiener) says:
>
>I am interested in what fate befell the fascist leadership
>of Independent Croatia.  Did they die at the hands of
>the Soviet/Yugoslav Red Army or did they flee to their
>mentors in the Vatican?  I'd be grateful if someone posted
>a reply.
>

I am interested in what fate will befell the fascist leadership
of Fascist Serbia. Will they die at the hands of
the Croatian/Bosnian Army or will they flee to their
mentors in Russia? I'd be grateful if someone posted
a reply.

>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Eduard Wiener

Thanks in advance too,

Zlatko Sijercic
From: feldstei@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ronald f. feldstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Michael II assessment on Salonica
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:42:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

I would first like to correct some typos in my citation of the
words attributed to Michael, which should read "solounene visi
chisto slovenisky besedoujontu" (I am unable to transcribe jat' as
anything other than e, and jers as i, u, due to the limitations
of ASCII.  If anyone is interested in a bigger piece of the 
Life (Zhitie) of Methodius, here it is.

V.  This transpired in the days in which Rostislav, the Slavic prince,
together with Sventopluk, sent a message from Moravia, to Emperor Michael,
which said:  "We are prosperous by the grace of God, and have recently 
had missions of Italians, Greeks, and Germans, with all of them teaching us
in a different way.  But, we Slavs are simple people and we have nobody
to instruct us in the Truth and give us knowledge.  So, good sovereign,
send us a man who could instruct us in all manner of the true teaching."
Then Emperor Michael told Constantine the Philosopher (=Cyril):  "Do you
hear these words, Philosopher?  No one else can do this, except you.  
Here, I'll give you all of these gifts and, then go, taking your bother,
Father Superior Methodius, along with you, for you are Salonicans, and
the Salonicans all speak pure Slavic."
     At that point they dared not refuse, either before God or before the
emperor, in the words of the apostle Paul, who said, "Fear God and esteem
the emperor."  After hearing all about this great mission, they turned to
prayer with others who were of a like mind.  And then God gave the Philo-
sopher the Slavic alphabet.  And the Philosopher, quickly creating the
letters and forming them into the speech of the Gospels, set off for 
Moravia, taking along Methodius.
From: Zong-Sheng.D.Chang@dartmouth.edu (Zong-Sheng D. Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: travel to China
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:10:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


Hi, I urgently need some advice regarding traveling to/within China.

I will take airplane from Boston to Hong Kong. My destination is
Shanghai. However, I have no idea at all how I sould get to Shanghai
from Hong Kong. I need following informations:

1. After I arrive Hong Kong airport, what should I do first? Where is
the Train station? Do I have to take a train to ShenZhen first or I can
take a train directly to ShangHai?

2. If I have to stay in Hong Kong overnight, could you suggest some
less expensive Hotels (or Zhao Dai Suo)?

3. What should be taken care of in Hong Kong? i.e. what should I pay
attention to during my stay there to be safe?

4. After I arrivee Shenzhen, what do I need to do to get entry permit?
What kind documents I should present? What kind test (like HIV test)
should I do?

5. If I have to stay in Shenzhen overnight, could you suggest some less
expensive Hotels (or Zhao Dai Suo)?

6. Can I go to Shanghai directly from Shenzhen or I have to go to
Guangzhou first? Is it easy to purchase the train ticket? And if not,
what are the easy ways to get a train ticket?

7. If I have to stay in Guangzhou overnight, could you suggest some
less expensive Hotels (or Zhao Dai Suo)?

8. What is the approximal price for a train ticket or a air ticket from
Shenzhen to Shanghai (or Shenzhen-Guangzhou-Shanghai if I have to go
through Guangzhou)?

9. Any other suggestion regarding the whole trip?

I am traveling the coming Thursday, only a few days left. If you can
give advice to any of the above questions, please kinding respond as
soon as possible. My email address is: zdc@dartmouth.edu or
zdchang@coos.dartmouth.edu.

Your help is greatly appreciated!

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 21:20:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.202924.11416@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:

[....]

|> >Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
|> >stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
|> >expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
|> >in the world and crush all the opponents!
|>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
|> >
|> >Let's all work for that goal!
|> >
|> 
|> Since I posted this followup. I received some criticism concerning the high-
|> lighted line.
|> Here is the clarification: I didn't mean to destroy the world. I only wanted
|> China to be able to defend itself and destroy all the possible opponents it
|> will have in the future.

Why? China may have different opinions with others. Do we have to destroy all
the possible opponents? It seems that CCP really taught you good with
destroying things/opponents. Have you heard of `political settlement'?

|> 
|> Sorry about the bad word choices.
|> 
|> Chenwei Yan
|> 

H.J.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylg1122@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Yongming Li)
Subject: Authors Needed for a BioBook
Summary: biobook
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:06:36 GMT
Keywords: biobook



     AUTHORS FOR A BIO-MEDICAL BOOK ARE NEEDED

     Do you have experience in molecular biology? 
     Do you want to share your expertise with your
country fellows?
     Do you want to be an author of a book?

     If you do, please read the following and contact
with us promptly.
     Bio-medical group, Association of Chinese
Professionals (ACP) in USA, decided to edit a
professional book entitled "Practical Methods in
Molecular Biology".  The purpose of this book is to
introduce most current and practical techniques of
molecular biology into China.  The book will be
published in both English and Chinese.  A publisher in
P. R. of China has already agreed to publish this book
next year.
     Now we are seeking qualified Chinese authors for
different sections of this book.  ACP membership is
not required for being an author of this book.  If you
are interested, please send some brief information to
us.

     A. General information
     Name, address, e-mail and phone number, current
working institution, education background, working
experience, current status, and publication. 

     B. Specific Information
     Please indicate your most familiar techniques in
molecular biology, list more that three in order if
you could. Do you have any publication by using this
technique?  Which section you can contribute to this
book.  Can you access to e-mail? Do you have your own
e-mail account?  Can you write your English manuscript
with Wordperfect 5.1?  Can you write your Chinese
manuscript with Chinese word processor in GB file?

     C. Your suggestions or proposal (if any)

     Based on your response to above questions, the
committee for this book will make final decision about
the content and authors of this book.  Please notice
that academic information is more important than
technical information.  Some technique like writing GB
file is only preferred but not absolutely required for
an individual contributor.    Should you need any more
information about this call, please feel free to
contact us.


Address:  Yong Ming Li
          706 S. Gregory
          Urbana IL 61801
         (217) 328-3437 (evenings)
         (708) 442-1539 (weakens)
E-mail:   ylg1122@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui)
Subject: Steve need a robet, not a adopted child.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:41:38 GMT

In article <ld1e3eINNp5v@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>>>>Please make your check payable to:
>>>>>China SOS Education Fund
>I thought to adopt some children, but I worry that they become CCP. :-)

Get a robet or computer. He will never batray your no matter what you did.  
I want to help you in the condition that you are programmed to hate
the one I hate, to eat the way I eat, to sleep the way I sleep, to
walk the way I walk, to sit the way I sit, to have sex the way I have,
a robet like me. Otherwise, who care you are in huger or near edge of
death.

Steve, I neither oppose nor support you on these issue.
All I try to do here is to think the way you think and say the word 
you say for this moment.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:24:37 GMT

In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:
>
>>Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
>>stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for good
>>expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
>>in the world and crush all the opponents!
>>
>>21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
>>
>>Let's all work for that goal!
>>
>
>I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
>The majority American believe Japan will be the best in the next century. 
>While China will have to struggle against its own problems. The biggest
>problem for China is communism. If China insists on communism, it will
>become the enemy of world, therefore people in the world will try to
>block the development of China.
>
>My prediction to China in next 50 years is that China will be in chaos
>after Deng Xiaoping's death. The chaos was be caused by people's feeling
>on Tiananmen Massacre and isolation of the world. Two possible outcomes:
>one, communist party will be dead, China will join the world community;
>two, China will be in civil war in which thousands of thousands of people
>will die.
>
>China has its tradition of resisting changes of the world. The whole world
>has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
>world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
>in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
>you are in trouble, not even to mention development.
>
>

The most important problem of China is not communism.  It is developement.
Communism is just a name like capitalism. In the beginning of the 
the capitalism people all over the world fought against it.  That is why
there is another thing called communism. I think for most of Chinese
people it does not matter what name you call it if only they can have
a decent life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:47:20 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct4.091845.875@unine.ch> Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch writes:
>(deleted)
>  OK, I'm here. sorry about the missing information.
>  There were 2 articles, one is hei1 xue3 ("Black Snow"), which described
>mostly the beginning of the war(how the situation then was, how CCP decided to)
>Another is zhi4 yuan4 jun1 zhan4 fu2 ji4 shi4(sth. like "Story of Chinese
>Volunteer Army POWs").

I happened to read these two books also. "Black Snow", IMHO, is not very
reliable. It still tried hard to beautify some individuals while backening
other. Some facts are still hiden. For example, it mentioned USSR broke
its promise to send airforce. Is that right? But the question: When did
Stalin made such a promise? This fact is intentional hiden in that book.

"Story of POWs of CVA" is much more truthful and reliable. Another reliable
Chinese publication about POW of CVA is "Collection of Documents of Cease-Fire
Negotiation of Korean War", which was published in early 50's.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: NGFZH@livid.uib.no
Subject: Looking for friends from Zhejiang Univ.
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:56:26 EMT

Hi,

I post the following for my friend,

-- I am looking for friends graduated from Scientific Instrumentation
Dept. 78, Zhejiang University, Hangzhou.

Gong Huihong
Norge Handleskolen, Bergen, Norway
--

Please forward your reply to MB2_HG92006@DEBET.NHH.NO, not to me.


ZH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Hu Qiao-Mu died
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:36:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.035931.22164@news.acns.nwu.edu> zhang@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Tongguang Zhang) writes:
>
>
>-- 
>
>Tongguang Zhang
Hu Qiao-Mu was a student leader, according to CND news.

J Su
From: be549@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Coose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: CS email list wanted
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:23:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi, I heard there is a email address list of computer sci. dept.
in those most-famous univ around the net.  If you have that, 
could you send to me via email at:

   be549@cleveland.freenet.edu

Thanx a lot 

Rob
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <BvLs1p.JCM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct4.204200.19269@ms.uky.edu> 
    <BvprGL.Gn9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:15:07 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.

>What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
>needs neither of them.

Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.