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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Outdoor Dogs vs Indoor Dogs
Date: 14 Apr 1992 15:00:16 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor) writes:


>You are right: I generalized about indoor/outdoor dogs, but I tried (via the
>little smiley about Susan Butcher, the many-time winner of the Iditerod) to
>hint that I wasn't talking about working dogs.  I agree with you that there
>is a big difference, and my original message should be qualified to say that
>outdoor pets are not likely to be as fully bonded with the family as indoor
>pets, unless a lot of time and effort is expended to work/play with them.  Our
>Katie is with us just about every second that we're home, and this gives her
>more opportunity to interact with us than if she spent the time out in a dog
>run.

OK, there is a flip side too. A member of this news group trains
avalanche search and rescue dogs, and he has an inside dog.  A man
that lives in my home town is a nationally famous bird hunting guide
and his prized Golden is an indoor dog.  Ice and snow certainly does
not slow her down in her quest to get to a down bird.  My Rottweiler
is an indoor dog and he loves going outside to work when it is 10
degrees.  It is only his owner that gets cold.  My Border Collie/Great
Pyreneese cross is also an indoor dog, and she complained bitterly one
morning when we cut our walk short.  It was 10 degrees below zero with
a north wind of 40 MPH blowing snow into our faces and we were walking
in completely unprotected terrain.  She was galloping, jumping and
biting at the snow having a great time.  Again, I was the one freezing
to death.  

In short, indoor dogs can work outside even in the cold.  Bringing
them inside will not cause a problem, unless they are not given a
chance to get accustomed to the cold.  (Of course I would not put
Iditerod dogs inside, but most of us don't train Iditerod dogs.)  I am
constantly reminded how much undercoat my indoor-dog Rottweiler has
accumulated over the winter.  He keeps leaving it all over the house.
;-)

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Beethoven
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:52:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.125214.23019
Reply-To: jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)



WELLlllllll,

The hubby and I went to see the movie Beethoven last weekend.  I'm still trying
to decide whether I like it or not.  Maybe as I write this review I'll form
a more solid opinion.

First, let me say, that there are some wonderful "cute puppy" scenes.  St.
Bernards are adorable puppies, and the scene where Beethoven "finds"
his family is just too cute for words.  

The movie opens with Beethoven in the pet shop.  All the other puppies are
being patted and loved, but beethoven is basically ignored.  There's then
a close call with some dog nappers, and then we see a daring escape and a
lonely puppy trying to find a place to live.  At this point I was ready to
leave.  I get terribly upset by scary and "tear-jerking" movies, and this
looked like it was going to be a Dog against the world type of movie.  

However, the next scene of Beethoven finding his family convinced me that
this might be ok to sit through, so we stayed.

From here we go into the standard piddle/muddy/naughty/endearing puppy 
slapstick.  All very well done, if not a little heavy on the muddy footprints
business.  The acting is all pretty well done, and whoever trained Beethoven
really did a wonderful job.  In this aspect I fully recommend the film.

However, we then get into nasty vets doing illegal animal experimentation.
These scenes are pretty scary, and there are no holds barred.  I was sick
at heart by some of the things they portrayed.  Again, I felt like walking
out.  I get nightmares, and I'm easily influenced by movies, so I try to be
careful what I feed into my brain via my eyes.  

By this time, however, you just have to stay to figure out what is going to
happen.

Well, I won't give away the ending, but if you're like me, you'll want to know
that of course everything works out (this is after all rated G).

Also, most of the scenes in the animal experimenting lab are done with
puppets!  You'd never guess this when you see it, because it's incredibly
realistic.  

SOoooo, my overall review?

Special effects - 9
Acting - 7.5
plot - 6
scare factor - 5 (I usually go for movies with a scare factor of @2 at the 
		most :) , but then I cried all the way through bambi....
Overall score - 6.8

I guess I'd recommend it, but if you're a real softy I'd probably say wait
for the video so you can fast forward through the upsetting parts :)

-- 
===========================    Jill N.J. Pappenhagen
                       Department Assistant, Art Education Dept.
                       Wickendon Hall, Case Western Reserve Univ. 
				 jnp@po.CWRU.Edu=============================
From: scm@harvee.UUCP (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Thanks for all the "helpful" suggestions
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:27:50 GMT
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18

In article <1992Apr13.191547.11682@b15.b15.ingr.com> lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com
(Lynn Lee) writes:

> P.S.  Someone actually suggested that she keep her dog in the house and crate
> it!  Why would someone crate a dog when they have a large fenced-in back
> yard? I think this is pretty cruel, but this a whole 'nother topic!  One that
> has already been discussed and I don't want to start it up again!

first, if you didn't want to start a discussion you shouldn't have asked.  but
to answer your question, her are some reasons why i crate my dogs even though
i have a fenced yard:

they are a noisy breed and i don't want to annoy the neighbors.

one of them digs and i'm afraid she might get out.

they are used to being indoors most of the time and i don't want them to
suffer from bad weather(of course, i could get them doghouses if i wanted them
to be outdoors more).  they are indoor dogs because i spend most of my time
 indoors, when i am home, and i like having them with me.

i worry they might be stolen.  the dog who was recently killed when some kids
threw it in front of a train had been stolen from a locked, fenced yard.
--
-- little gator aka S. Mudgett     email: scm@harvee.uucp
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Light is sweet and it pleases the eyes to see the sun. Ecclesiastes 11:7)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Akita puppy
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:39:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: iccgcc.1992Apr14.073912.7790

>     Now back to the little one. As I said before he is the most stubborn male
> around. He refuses to eat out of his dish which has Nutra max puppy food in it
> and eats out of the older dogs dish which has Nutra max dog food in it. My
> second question: How can I get him to eat out of his own dish and is it bad
> for him to be eating the Nutra max adult food instead of puppy food?


We fed Spencer adult dog food when he was a puppy.  Our breeder recommended it.
A lot of breeders of large dogs suggest that this is a way to slow down the
growth so that their hips have a chance to develop thus diminishing the threat
of hip dysplasia.

Kim
From: N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: OBJECTIVE DOG BOOK WANTED
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:12:04 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr15.114312.54507@cc.usu.edu>
sl45z@cc.usu.edu writes:
 
>
>
>	With any luck, I will be in a place that will take pets in June.  My
>wife brought two cats and I, a parrot, to this marraige that we've temporarily
>left behind.  If we can get into the house we want....?...
>	WE WANT A DOG!!!
>	I've seen lots of books on different breeds and their many attributes,
>I'm still looking for a really good one.  There seems to be a habit amongst dog
>lovers to not describe their pets very objectively.  (Case: A write-up on the
>Newfoundland made it sound like the perfect house dog, besides being large.  I
>know enough that I'd have to follow him with a mop, thanks to a neverending
>supply of slobber.)  I want the hard truth about different breeds.  I've been
>around dogs most of my life, so I don't need advice on owning...yet.  I am
>mostly interested in the Sporting breeds.  The wife and I have a definate
>prejudice towards them.  Labs are my favorite and Golden Reteivers are hers.
>I'd appreciate reference to some good, objective books.  Thanks
>
>	TC
 
 
I believe that the following books would be helpful to anyone thinking
about getting a dog. If I've left out a book that you think should be added to
the list, please let me know by e-mail. Prices and ISBN numbers are from
the current BOOKS IN PRINT.  Books are in paperback unless stated
otherwise.
 
Before considering what kind of dog to get, I'd recommend reading the
wise, compassionate, massively well-informed and elegantly written
 
The Monks of New Skete, THE ART OF RAISING A PUPPY (Little
Brown, 1991) $17.95 hardcover ISBN 0-316-57839-8
 
To help in choosing a particular breed (or mix thereof), these three books
can be useful in alerting you to relevant physical and behavioral
characteristics:
 
Lynette A. Hart, THE PERFECT PUPPY (WH Freeman, 1987) $9.95
ISBN 0-7167-1829-4
     This covers only about 65 breeds' temperaments, but makes a greater
effort to be objective than some other sources.
 
Michele Lowell, YOUR PUREBRED PUPPY:  A BUYER'S GUIDE (H
Holt and Co., 1991) $10.95 ISBN 0-8050-1892-1
     Far more comprehensive than Hart's book, with useful warnings about
health defects to watch for in specific breeds.
 
Daniel F. Tortora, THE RIGHT DOG FOR YOU (Fireside: Simon and
Schuster Trade Books, 1983) $9.95  ISBN 0-671-47247-X
     Offers a complex decision procedure, with lots of questionnaires to alert
you to the potential significance of various features of breed behavior and
physical characteristics.
 
To help you deal with your new dog, it would be hard to find better books
than the Monks's book, above, and the pellucid and funny
 
Carol Lea Benjamin, MOTHER KNOWS BEST:  THE NATURAL WAY
TO TRAIN YOUR DOG (Howell Book House, 1985) $15.95 hardcover
ISBN 0-87605-666-4
 
Carol Lea Benjamin, DOG PROBLEMS (Doubleday and Co., 1981)
$13.95 hardcover ISBN 0-385-15710-X.
 
David Austin
NCSU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: meagher@watson.bms.com 
Subject: Animal Prayer??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:44:00 GMT

    	Does anyone out there have a copy of the animal prayer? Please 
    	E-mail or post. I saw it years ago on a Hallmark card and I'm 
    	still trying to locate it. Thanks to anyone who can help.

    	Debi
 		     ___________________________________	
   		    (	Scientific Information Systems  )
    		     \	      Debra. A. Meagher        / 
    		      \	  Scientific Support Analyst  /
    		       \   E-mail: MEAGHER@BMS.COM   /
    		        \   Phone : 609.252.4647    / 
    		         \_________________________/
From: sasdwf@slaughter.unx.sas.com (Dan Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dogs on hot-tub cover
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:30:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 991

Hi group.  I have three medium-sized dogs who like to get on top of the
cover for our hot tub.  Sometimes they lie there, other times they are 
chasing each other and jump on it or across it as they are running.  I am
concerned that they will damage the cover and am attempting to teach them
to stay off of it.  When I catch them on it I remove them from the cover,
hold them on the ground and tell them NO in a stern voice.  They now stay
off the cover when I am in the back yard with them but will get on it
when I am inside the house and they are outside.  I can tell because I 
frequently find one or two chew bones right in the middle of the cover :-).
Is there some substance I can put on the cover that will discourage them
from jumping on it in my absence?  Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.


-- 
Dan Fowler          |   "Beep-beep"
Austin QA,          |    attributed to:
SAS Institute       |
sasdwf@unx.sas.com  |    David Bowie, Pennywise the Clown, and the Roadrunner.
From: jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen)
Subject: Who left the modem on: was "I'm a wonderful dog"
Reply-To: jnp@po.CWRU.Edu (Jill N. Pappenhagen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 20:04:08 GMT



Bob, I've told you time and again to leave the modem off!  Now look what
Tasha's gone and done - and all those typos!  I told you she needed her
nails clipped!

BTW:  Thanks to all of you who sent sympathy notes on Eva's passing.  It 
really does help to share your grief, and to know that you're not alone.  

Jill
always looking for another reason to get another dog...
-- 
===========================    Jill N.J. Pappenhagen
                       Department Assistant, Art Education Dept.
                       Wickendon Hall, Case Western Reserve Univ. 
				 jnp@po.CWRU.Edu=============================
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: eam9e@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Myers)
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:45:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.131124.1753@vixvax.mgi.com>, johnson@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
> Whats the best approach to removing skunk scent from my dog?  I've tried
> tomato juice which helped, but should I try something else, or do I just
> have to wait it out?
> -- 
> ******************************************************************************
> * Woody Johnson     * johnson@vixvax.mgi.com   * I used to paint the princess*
> * 10816 Quinn Ave S * Management Graphics, Inc * I used to paint the frogs   *
> * Bloomington, MN   * 1401 E 79th St, #6       * Now paint mustaches 	     *
> *           55437   * Bloomington, MN 55425    * on dangerous dogs	     *
> * 		    * 			       *   		- Don Henley *
> ******************************************************************************

  We have a dog that gets skunked regularly.  The most important thing
  is to get the skunk oil off a quickly as possible and don't let the
  dog spread the oil around.  Also, the skunk smell seems to be easier
  to get rid of the sooner the dog is washed.
 
  To get rid of the smell - the best thing I've used is vinegar diluted
  with water.  I've heard that douches work, but I assume it's the
  vinegar in them that works.  I usually soap the skunked areas, then
  apply the vinegar - let it sit a little while, and then soap again.
  Don't get the vinegar in the dog's eyes.  If he's skunked really
  bad, don't expect to get all the smell out but what smell is left
  will go away faster.

  Our dumb dog was sprayed multiple times point blank by several 
  different skunks in one night and we managed to remove the smell
  enough that we could stand to be in the same room with him.  
  Before the vinegar bath, the smell was so strong that it would
  make your eyes tear.

-Ann
From: kathy@cs.rit.edu (Kathleen Flagg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Outdoor Dogs vs Indoor Dogs
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:30:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Brad Davidson writes:
>Just because I have outdoor dogs does not mean that they feel any less
>part of the "pack" then an indoor dog.  You do not get the performance you
>need in weight pulling unless you build that friendship and trust.
>
>So lets just keep in mind that some outdoor dogs are not just put in the
>back yard to be forgotten. 

I saved a puppy (Ashley) from being put down almost three years ago.  At the time I was working for a small business and they allowed me to bring her in to 
work.  About six weeks after I got Ashley, the company went under, 
and I started working at a large company that obviously would not allow me 
to bring her in.  I was heart broken because I didn't want to put her 
outside or give her away, but she was to hyper to keep indoors when 
unsupervised. So, I tried putting her outside and she loves it.  My 
husband and myself are gone about 12 hours a day, 7:00 am to 7:00pm.  
Ashley is always asking to be taken out.  She loves playing near her dog 
house and seems so happy outside.  When my husband and I are home, she is 
with us.  When we go on quick stops to stores we take her with us.  One of 
my neighbors tells me all the time, that for a dog that spends so much 
time alone in the yard, it's extremely well adjusted and spoiled.

I agree with Brad that people have to realize that not all outdoor dogs 
are unloved or put there to be forgotten.  Ashley isn't.

Thanks,
Kathleen and Ashley
From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Calling off all puppy experts!  Calming down in Golden City!
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:00:48 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

Hi,
   I'd just like to thank all the people that responded to my call for help
regarding difficulties in dealing with Augie, our golden pup (and only pup).
As would be expected in a call for help to a worldwide newsgroup, the responses
were extremely varied.  I'll be summarizing them a little later on when I
have time.
   As it turns out, we called in a puppy trainer to work with us and Augie
once a week for 6 weeks or so.  We had a hard time dealing with him until she
came, but she calmed us down and is helping us understand Augie.  He is a
dominant pup, but not an aggressive pup.  We specifically did not want a
dominant pup (we wanted a 'tweener, a mid-range pup), but that's what we got.
Anyway, things are progressing and we are optimistic that everything will turn
out fine.
   For people that sent e-mail, I will try to answer your questions via e-mail
in due time; things are still a bit hectic right now.  Thanks for your help!

-- 
Marc Stephenson		      IBM PSPA (Personal System Programming - Austin,TX)
DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position.
NEW address->marc@malone.austin.ibm.com  VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ  IBM T/L: 678-8139
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mawells@galluj (Mary Ann)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety
Organization: Gallaudet U.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:52:16 GMT

My Irish Setter (now 12 years old) started having similar behavior.  Getting
into the trash (we forgot to close it tightly), whinning, pulling things of
the table, etc.  We started putting more time into our volunteer and did not
realize exactly how much more.  "Sham" apparently got very lonely (he is 
very affectionate).  We started leaving the T.V. on (he has cateracts and,
of course, can not see well) to give him the illusion someone was there.
That seemed to work, he stopped (for the most part) getting into "trouble".
If you don't mind your electric bill going up a little, you may want to try 
the T.V.

I have a question though.  You said he barks alot when in the bathroom and
hears someone in the house.  Why is he in the bathroom if you are home?  That
is the time you (or someone in the family) can spend some time with your dog.
If I have misunderstood, sorry.


Mary Ann

MAWELLS@GALLUJ.BITNET

We volunteer because your life depends on it. (EMT-A)
From: yourID@llnl.gov (Who Am I Really)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A tragic accident (biased statistics)
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:01:36 GMT
Organization: LLNL

I don't think that any particular breed is more prone to bite than others. 
 IMHO the reason you hear about gsd's and the other larger breeds more 
than others is a simple matter of physics.  These dogs can cause more 
damage because of the size and strentgh of their jaws, not because of 
their lineage or breeding. The smaller breeds probably bite as much or more.  You don't hear about them because they don't cause as much damage.

Dom
From: kathy@cs.rit.edu (Kathleen Flagg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:36:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

>P.S. I will be posting 2 other articles on the love humans have for 
animals.

AMEN!!!!  (opps did I say that) :-)

>Kindly kill them Cris, we don't want to upset you.

Heaven Forbid!!!  (opps there I go again.) :-)
From: millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Beethoven
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:05:01 GMT
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY

I think Beethoven's friend was a Jack Russell Terrier.

Phillip
millman@bear.com
From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: New Akita puppy
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:41:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    On friday we bought our second Akita. He is 8 weeks old and must be the
most stubborn puppy around. I already have a 14 month female at home who
absolutely loves our new addition. She seems to have adopted the little one as
her own. My first question: Is this possible or since this is the first dog
she ever had contact with is she just over excited?
    Now back to the little one. As I said before he is the most stubborn male
around. He refuses to eat out of his dish which has Nutra max puppy food in it
and eats out of the older dogs dish which has Nutra max dog food in it. My
second question: How can I get him to eat out of his own dish and is it bad
for him to be eating the Nutra max adult food instead of puppy food?
-- 
________________________________________________________________________

Jon T. Hutchinson, Network Coordinator
Office of Telecommunications
ext. 85099
From: time@coos.dartmouth.edu (Susan M. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: FAQ? Lyme disease vacine
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:54:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I'm sure this is a FAQ, but I'm not a regular reader of this group. I'd like to
know what the official word on the availability, cost and effectiveness of any
vacine against Lyme disease. Please email as I'm sure this gets asked regularly
and most are tired of it. If anyone else needs the info I'll be glad to forward
it to you.
Thanks in advance

SMK @mac.dartmouth.edu
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: PS to Barnes/Dogs/Souls
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:20:55 GMT
Organization: not much...

Apologies to all for continuing this, but my mail to Bailey bounced...

Sigh...

> I think he wanted to discuss
> whether or not dogs have an eternal soul of the same type
> that Christians are talking about when the talk about 
> "saving souls".

He didn't want to discuss anything.  He made it perfectly clear that has the
truth, and we're just a bunch of un-saved sinners.  

> That way, people who freak out and go
> ballistic whenever anyone publically professes their religion
> wouldn't get all offended and suffer mental anguish and emotional
> distress.

People "go ballistic" when someone spouts OPINIONS with the stamp of God-given
truth on them.  People "go ballistic" when someone denigrates 
the beliefs of others.  If Chris had used any language that gave
any indication that he was aware that this was just his opinion, nobody would
have bothered replying -- but it's quite clear that he does not believe that
any other position is tenable.