HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:02:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.094059.13701@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>>S.V.:
>>  Ah, Sunset Blvd....Beverly Hills....Santa
>>Monica bay....sorry...I forgot... So you want
>>a sunset side of the lake ? Do you prefer
>>lake in a forest, savanna, desert, or maybe in
>>a mountains ? Just write me promptly - I gonna
>>make a reservations for you, my dear friend.
>> Sincerely,
>> Serega
>
>Dear Serega,
>
>I am not at all interested in America, it is not interesting like Russia.

 You didn't get the point, Jarmo. Do you really think
it is Finns I'm missing most of all here in US ?
 I was going to make a reservations for you & Co
not in California (as you might hoped), but rather
at much more nice place - guess where ? Of course
in Siberia ! So my proposal to you (see above) remains
valid until further notice.

>That is why
>I am deeply concerned that you will loose your russian roots in America. 

  And me deeply appreciate your concern...

>How the russians keep russian culture alive in America?

  Just like everywhere else: by f*cking around...

>
>The task can be very difficult compared to Estonia which
>now is so HORRIBLE place for the russians. Sometimes I am about bursting
>into the tears when reading all those hardships our neighbours the russian
>mates/excomrades face in Estonia & Baltic states.

  So is me, so is me, dear Jarmo. Couldn't you imagine
how much tears the memoirs about innocent Balts suffering
under brutal Soviet/Russian oppression have dropped off my eyes !

>Sincerely,
>Jarmo Ryyti
>(Redy to consult)
>

Sincerely,
Serega
(still unREdy to be consulted on)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: Professor goes on shooting spree
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:44:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.180003.14557@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_ writes:
>>
>> 1) In the late seventies a math professor at Stanford was killed by a graduate
>> student with a hammer.  I don't recall the exact number but the student had
>> been working on a Ph.D. for over ten (I think) years.
>>
>18 yeas.  The guy was up for parole a few years ago, but I think he did not
>get it, because he publicly announced that he had no remorse.
>

He is out, to the best of my knowledge. I believe he had to serve the 
full sentence because he refused to admit to any feelings of remorse.

He was living in Berkeley a couple of years back. I think Stanford has
passed a law explicitely forbidding him to enter the campus. Stanford
is also a city so that's how it can probably pass the laws. But then
again I may be dreaming.

Leonid.
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Professor goes on shooting spree
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:39:49 GMT


 
> This is a quote from Dr. Fabrikant, who went on a shooting spree at
> Concordia University yesterday afternoon around 4pm.  It was taken
> from sci.research.carreers where it was posted around 2pm yesterday.
> 
>  ``2. The University, as well as "persons affected" are very welcome to sue me
>    for libel. May be, this is the only way for the truth to come out.
>    Someone has asked me if I am afraid that the "persons affected" might hire
>    someone to stage my "accidental death" or to frame me in some kind of a crime.
>    Well, I am no longer afraid of anything or anybody. We all have to die one
>    day. Whenever I die, I shall die an honest person. I just wonder, how many
>    administrators can say the same about themselves. Gandhi considered jail
>    as a must for an honest person. I am prepared for that too.
>    I just regret that I put up with all this filth for twelve years.
>    Make no mistake, I am dead serious in what I am doing. I can not fight
>    all the crooks in the world, but I shall not rest until the bogus
>    scientists in this university are exposed and the Justice is
>    served.''
> 
> 				V. I. Fabrikant 
> Vadim Maslov,	Phones: (301) 405-2726, (301) 474-3473

 
   U G A   !   G E V O L Y U T S I Y A   !
Kak hogosho skazano "...jail as a must fog an honest pegson..."
A pgavie oppogtunisty v Concogdia Univegsity etogo ne ponimayut.
Vot tolko familiya u tovagisha Fabgikanta melkobugzhuaznaya.
Pgi vstgeche pgedlozhu podnyat' vopgos o psevdonime,napgimeg pgosto
 Fabgika. - I skgomno, i po pgoletagski.
 BOBKA MOPKOBKA.
From: RUBAN@hartford.bitnet ("Timur Y. Ruban")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: I'm back with peace!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Hello to you all, freedom-of-speech-lovers!

     I am back again to enjoy exchange of opinions, battles of words and
personal insultments (which for the last two months became kind of usual
in our 'nets').
     Due to the usual in our university circumstances - shutting down of the
VAX-cluster I was completely cut-off from the networks for four days and none
of my friends-capitalists was able to get me my source of 'informational
oxygen' back.
     But, despite the plot of international imprealismus (don't I sound fami-
liar?!) I am rock'n'rolling again.
     I'll reply on all mail, addressed to me during these couple of days.  I
did not get any mail at all from Thursday till Sunday, so if anybody have
attempted to send any replies to my posts, i would appreciate forwarding them
to me again at
       RUBAN@HARTFORD.BITNET.

     Congratulations to those who came back to school and my sincere condolences
to those who just came from vacation,

Yours truly,
Timur Y. Ruban

Ex-Soviet fish in the American Ocean.
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Packing of RELCOM news and how to fight it
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:33:20 GMT

Victor writes (and I reply to USENET too to receive less requests
like this in the future):

   Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:21:27 +0200
   From: sokovin@sci.kun.nl

      Dear Vadim,
    I found your address in the news group soc.culture.soviet reading your
   article about relcom. I subscribed to some groups of relcom but receive
   it in a strange form, something like this
   start stdin
   ,+aH*bB,X}QfD{p5@wOmS>[nZ@j4!CBk-&'ujv2f!!-=r<H]4pV]CmV_Hb2X]ot'
   !M:xJ&dBG/THrC$,"qg05!T;!>4p;J0bC1G9NilTpxC,5G'(X:%hcf&&R[g;&-Mc
   ^M,Ck/RY-:_$!lX[k<EFP_DwX[OP84Z)q=%]l!.OC{v0(h<;#@IY=2>=hB]!Qi@I
   5'1I"Nh}WOk;E6/|#78],mDHC5t?Q}iuiLx7[XxPnaDH[0$YL>hQC8Q/1>L*lbI-
   $j$G02;v6xVr9K;ma3NhTf;hDyfY(s(J#Et;L8h<?M0y?LaEM"'@:A#Tb4@s(Ww-
   so my question is: Is it possible to decode this to something readable?
   Many thanks in advance. Best regards,
								Victor

These are news in packed form. News server at Moscow starts to pack
news if it receives line
PACK ON        (don't remember how it looks exactly)

This line usually is commented out with '-'.
Some people remove this '-' but don't remove this line.
So they start to receive packed news.

The best way is to unsubscribe from all groups and to resubscribe to
them. 

The second best way is to send line
PACK OFF      (don't remember how it looks exactly)
to news server.

Vadim.
-- 

Vadim Maslov,	Phones: (301) 405-2726, (301) 474-3473
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pjt@newton.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Tanenbaum)
Subject: Proskurov/Khmelnitskii
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:45:59 GMT

     Speaking of Konigsberg/Kaliningrad... My grandfather and his family
came from Proskurov and environs.  I'm trying to learn what I can about
them and the area.  I read in a U.S. genealogical news letter that there
was a recent agreement by Russia to allow Western genealogical researchers
access to relevant records and that negotiations had just begun with
Ukrainian officials.  Can anybody shed any light on these matters?
     What is the likelihood that the city will regain its former name?
I understand from the B.C.E. that it was renamed in 1954 to commemorate
the 300th anniversary of this Khmelnitskii dude and his efforts to unite
Ukraine with Russia.  Given current centrifugal forces in CIS, is such
an anniversary still cause for celebration in Ukraine, and is such a
toponymic reminder thereof still welcome?
     To anyone out there reading s.c.s who is in or from that area:
I'd be delighted to establish contact.  Please email at pjt@cs.jhu.edu
or phone (410) 838-8393.  Ya ne govoryu po ukrainski, no malo po russki.
     +++paul

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Subject: Re: Stenka Razin
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:14:48 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Aug27.172043.4771@ccd.harris.com>  jsh@controls.ccd.harris.com (Joe Hoff) writes:
>
> One of the arrangements in their is called
> Stenka Razin.
>
> If you have the lyrics, please post them.
>
> Joe Hoff

This is probably not very accurate, but will give you the idea.

Iz-za ostrova na strezhen',  <what is strezhen'?>
Na prostor rechnoj volny
Vyplyvajut rasspisnye
Stenki Razina chelny.

Na perednem - Sten'ka Rasin,
Obnjavshis' s mladoj knjazhnoj
Svad'by novuju spravljaet,
Sam vesjolij i xmel'noj.

Pozadi on slishit ropot:
"Nas na babu promenjal.
Tolko noch s nej provozhalsya  <or is it proyakshalsja?>
Sam na utro baboj stal"

Volga, Volga - mat' rodnaja.
Volga russkaja reka.
He vidala ty podarka
Ot donskogo kazaka.

<V zharkie usta lobzaet>  (I can't remember, just made it up)
On krasavitzu kniazhnu,
I za bort ejo brosaet
V nabezhavshuju volnu.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: ACRONYM LIST compiled - thanks!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:01:53 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Aug27.100059.1265@guvax.georgetown.edu> mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>Thanks to everyone who helped make this list. I think it is rather
>accurate. Bill McHenry, Georgetown University
>(mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu)
>If you encounter new forms of organization with their concomitant acronyms, 
>send them to me and I will update my master list. 

Two more (actually old)

GIVTs
Gosudarstvennyi Informacionno Vychislitel'nyi Centr
State Informatic and Computing Center

MNPO
Mezhotraslevoe Nauchno Proizvosdtvennoe Ob'edinenie

And, maybe it's better to construct grammar. I believe,
regular expressions should be strong enough.

	-igor
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Maybe FAQ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:28:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.95297
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

Isn't it time to get a FAQ for this group?!
Because all rules in xCOBOK are
changing every day, it maybe a challenging task.

Maybe someone from xSoviet Studies can 
organize it ? 

Proposed subjects:

- kill files for Mutlu
- national flame-wars
- how to read/write to RELCOM
- on-line and off-line sources
  about xSU
- classical books on xSU
- russian wordprocessors, tex, koi7
- travel agencies
- how to send letters to/from xSU
- how to send money/food to/from xSU
- advices for visitors to XSU

Simon Streltsov			    	! Disclaimer :
PhD Student,				! I can not speak for the
Dept. of Manufacturing Engineering	! Engineering Dept, ONLY because
Boston University			! I claim to be a mathematician..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Subject: Hymn to Red October---Lyrics
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:49:50 GMT


I would like to know if anybody out there has the lyrics, in Russian,
Russian transliteration, or English, for the song "Hymn to Red October", as
heard in the movie _The Hunt For Red October._

In the movie, the song is sung in Russian, and I can't make out more than a
few of the lyrics.

Anybody that can help me, please e-mail me at the above address.

-- 
Note to the Constitutionally impaired:  "...the RIGHT of the people to KEEP
and BEAR arms..." means EXACTLY what it says!
Vote Libertarian, Grassroots, or any third party...the Demopublicans are a
bipartisan evil!        "Technomad"  cc697@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Wire Money to Moscow
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

In article <prizsi.715124025@a-l3wl07> prizsi@a-l3wl07.cern.ch (Miklos Prisznya'k) writes:
>ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III) writes:
>
>>	Why I want to wire money from Moscow to US?
>>Pretty simple: to buy something in US which is not available in Russia.
>
> Does anyone want to buy something in Russia which is not available in 
> the States?? 

Small 2-door MIG and a box of Kalashikov's?!
From: astro@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poluekt Shpanets-Shpanion (ne-Shiller))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Stenka Razin
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:44:15 GMT
Organization: MIT

>
>> <V zharkie usta lobzaet>  (I can't remember, just made it up)
>> On krasavitzu kniazhnu,
>
>Moschnym vzmaxom obnimaet...

Personal'no, mne bol'she ponravilsya "original"... heh.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
From: cliff@st.simbirsk.su (Viacheslav Andreev)
Subject: Re: need accronym help
Organization: SystemoTechnika Center, Dimitrovgrad
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:50:05 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
: In article <1992Aug26.131020.1259@guvax.georgetown.edu> mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
: >I need some help with acronyms.
[skipped]
: >OOO "AIS"
: 
: ??? One O is surely stands for "Obshestvo" (Society) or "Ob'yedinenie"
: (Joint Enterprise) (more likely). Two other Os i can't guess.
It can stand for "Obshestvo s Ogranichennoi Otvetstvennostiu"
"Society with Restricted Responsibility" ie Ltd.

: >TOO "FAL'KON"
: ??? I'm not sure, but it can stand for "Tovarno-Optovoye Ob'yedinenie"
: (a kinda of retail union -- can't find an appropriate English term).
Same as above "Tovarishchestvo s Ogranichennoi Otvetstvennostiu"

-- 
Viacheslav Andreev
Dimitrovgrad town, Middle Volga, Russia.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: TASHKENT INFO REQUEST
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:32:14 GMT

	I am looking for a person familiar with TASHKENT.
If you are from there, or can tell me about it, I will
be grateful for your help.

	I particularly want to know WHAT IS THE WEATHER LIKE
in Tashkent in September-October-December, how cold it is.
We are sending a delegation to Uzbekistan and need this information
ASAP. Thank you. Arto.
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CLINTON NEW TEXT: IMMIGRATION
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:58:52 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <92234.001842U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> U45301@uicvm.uic.edu (Mary Jacobs) writes:

>                  CLINTON  GORE ON IMMIGRATION
>
>Help Jews leave Russia
> As anti-Semitic fervor increases in the former Soviet Union,
>uphold America's longstanding commitment to freedom of
>emigration.
> Ensure sufficient support for the 50,000 refugees from the
>former Soviet Union resettling in the United States each year.


I undrstand that 50,000 is the number of "Soviet" refugees that the Bush
administration is currently allowing into this country. Thus, Clinton
will allow no more than Bush currently allows. Important to know.

Vlad

Employer may disagree
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Modem link with Moscow
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:58:42 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Sep1.152706.19201@dxcern.cern.ch> ges@vsnhdd.cern.ch (Sergej Gerassimov) writes:
>
>  Hello all!
>Has anybody experience of computer link with Moscow using modem via
>public telephone network? It is rumoured that if the call from abroad
>is recognized (somewhere on international telephone station in Moscow) 
>like modem call but not a voice or fax, it is immediately cut off. 
>  Does anyone knows is it truth or not?
>                                               Thanks!

This is not so. When I worked at Moscow University people called
German BTX using modem and connection was stable for quite a long
time. It took place at 1990-1991.

It seems that international telephone exchange in Moscow just
is not clever enough to distinguish between fax and modem.
Why? It's easy. Certainly, this exchange was built by some
western company. And western companies don't have a zeal
for cutting off their clients.

-- 

Vadim Maslov.
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: It's test
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:56:36 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>>       Chimkent-38
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Boy, IS it where the nuclear warheads gets assembled? :-) :-) :-)
>
>--vadim

No, that's Chimkent-U235

-Mka
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:40:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.010344.6043@midway.uchicago.edu> deb5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>	What's going on in Kaliningrad/Koenigsberg?  Several months (maybe 
>closer to a year ago), I heard that some minds had suggested making the city
>and its environs in to some sort of special economic development area in order
>to attract foreign investment.  The original partners were going to be Russia,
> .... (other stuff deleted)

I have heard that Gemany is now just paying/building an highway through the
region.

Bye Johannes.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz)
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:56:42 GMT

ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>>
>Viipuri is in Swedish Vyborg. IN Finnish Viipuri is Viipuri.
>Jarmo Ryyti

You did not tell the most interesting thing: is there any hope (interest)
in regaining the area for Finland?

W. Dobosiewicz
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: St. Petersburg, HELP !!!***!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:19:26 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:38:10 GMT
>From: kilborn4950@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU

>I would recommend <being in St.Petersburg - D.> walkiing when
>convenient, and jumping on the bus without paying when it isn't.

Oops, I thought it was just an old commie-era custom, which is
dying out now with it. It turns out, it becomes international
standard!? Great! I was always doing the same. DA ZDRAVSTVUET
KOMMUNIZM, SVETLOE BUDUSHCHEE VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA.

Dmitry
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Fisher - Spassky
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:45:56 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Organization: Boston University

Just a Reminder:
moves and opinions are broadcasted on rec.games.chess

Fisher won first and is having a slightly better position
in a second game.

Senya

ObQ : Is betting over the Net considered a commercial activity?

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Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Organization: Boston University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: Russian Culture through California sunshades
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 17:55:59 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep4.153328.9463@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>  sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alexander.kostomaroff) writes:
>
> Ms. Patricia M. Schwarz of Caltec, Pasadena who lately has been quite
> active on SCS bridging the Shafarevich vs. NAS discussion with
> subjects of female/minorities/animal/rain forest/etc abuse,
> promulgated:
> ...
> >We are doing together, an American and a Russian, because
> >well for many reasons, but maybe that's not important.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Could not pass this one. Logic is approaching mutlonian level.

No, Patricia definitely was trying to drop a very relative hint here  -
about well but maybe it's not that important.

>...
> Stick with the movie, lady.

Hhhmm, is not this a sample of movieism. Watch it, Alexander !
Besides, sticking to Dr Zhivago maybe a more rewarding experince
than to some movie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Re: Cyrillic via net
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:18:28 GMT

watersjc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeffrey C Waters) writes:


>I'm new to this thing.... but can you send cyrillic characters to  
>Russia?
Yes.  Its best if you and your Russian pen-pal have compatible
Russian word processors -- both have LEXICON;  both have Russian
Word Perfect, etc.  Then, because the American network can't
handle 8 bit codes, the sender must uuencode the message and
the recipient must uudecode it.  Another alternative is to
use a wierd looking transliteration called "KOI-7" which is a
wierd looking 7 bit transliteration for Russian.  But then you
can't mix Russian and Latin letters.
peter maggs                pmaggs@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: hmj@cs.tut.fi (J{rvinen Hannu-Matti)
Subject: About Viipuri/Vyborg (was Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad)
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:19:21 GMT

In article <dobo.715276602@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>>Viipuri is in Swedish Vyborg. IN Finnish Viipuri is Viipuri.

>You did not tell the most interesting thing: is there any hope (interest)
>in regaining the area for Finland?

There is some interest, but no hope.

(Zhirinowsky (or what ever his name is), a populist Russian politician,
has promised Carelian back to Finland, if Russia gets Baltic
countries, most of Afghanistan and Eastern Iran. Not long ago he
wanted Finland to be rejoined with Russia. More serious Russian
politicians (Jeltsin etc.) will not even consider the return of
Carelia. To be honest, not all of Finns are interested in getting
Carelia back.)
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