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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 16:14:39 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
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 <SHAW.92Oct9184253@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> <1b79liINNfo3@agate.berkeley.edu>

In article <1b79liINNfo3@agate.berkeley.edu>, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry
Robertson) says:
>
>As far as I know, nobody's worried about a Japanese invasion of the US
>food and drink market.

About 6 months ago, there were numerous articles in the local business
news about a franchise being started in Japan to sell Chicago-style
hotdogs[1]. A local business man who own's Irving's Red Hots brought
some Japanese businessmen over and showed them everything there is to
know about running a hot dog stand.

I guess this is Chicago's contribution toward reducing the trade
imbalance.

[1] For those of you who don't know what a Chicago hotdog is, it
consists of (the ingredients are VERY important):

1 steamed beef hotdog (NOT pork)
1 poppy seed bun
lettuce
tomato
pickle
onions
mustard
2 jalapeno peppers
celery salt

Very important: NO ketchup. One of the more famous local hotdog stands
won't put ketchup on their hotdogs even if you ask. They'll give you the
squeeze bottle for you to do it instead.

They're much better than wimpy New York hotdogs with only sauerkraut.


Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:25:32 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct14.152915.25211@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>Have you lived in China?  I have and was a racial minority there and felt
>the sting of prejudice.  Many people assumed I was a dumb tourist
>and wouldn't understand what they were saying behind my back.

Sure I've lived in China.. I was born there and I've lived there long enough
to speak the language fluently.. As for racism, I didn't see a thing, and
I lived in MANCHURIA-a region that was traditionally never fully under
Han control.. As a matter of fact, I'm partly Manchu myself

>Racism is very high there, particularly for dark skinned people.

Your name sounds Italian
Besides, what kind of dark-skinned people can you find in China??
Tourists from Ethiopia??

>press tries to promote this.  I find it amusing that non-Chinese would
>believe the propaganded that Uighers and Han are intermarrying in large
>numbers.  The idea is abhorrent to most Hans I know.

Uighers?? I admit I've never heard of them before, but I can tell you that
two of my friends told me how their parents told them not to play with
Ke-Gia people when they were little kids, but in the end both of them have
sisters married to Ke-Gias

NW
From: clee2@cc.swarthmore.edu (Clifford Suk Jae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Movie Ratings Ballot 10/92
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:51:58 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College (Swarthmore Asian Organization)

In article <ldm6a5INNl9f@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>,
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me) writes:
> 
> 
> 	sedayao@chopin.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) :
> 	> [list of movies and books deleted]
> 	> Thought I would mention some other movies that weren't on 
> 	> the list.  Anyone else seen these?
> 	>
> 	> 1.  "Living on Tokyo Time" - I really like this movie, but 
> 	> there are others who really hate it.
> 
> I saw this one on video a long time ago but I remember it as being
> a little unreal. I mean the girl didn't speak much so it was a little
> hard to understand her actions.
> 

Hard to understand her actions (just because she didn't speak much)?  I
understood it pretty well.  I really do not know what you mean.

I thought that the movie was great.  What I really liked about it was the
presence of many "inside" jokes.  For instance, Ken's (I think that was his
name) father urged the white son-in-law to eat the vegetables, "they're
good for you."  I mean, REALLY urged.  Just like my <Asian> parents, you
know what I'm sayin'?

Perhaps I am the only who saw these "inside" jokes.  In any case, I thought
it was a great movie.  Lots of jokes about rock-n-roll, too.

Signed,
Clifford Suk Jae Lee <clee2@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Swarthmore College Asian Organization (SAO)
Swarthmore College
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From: berne@nova1.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne)
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.205627.17007@news.Hawaii.Edu> gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:
>A similar racially-inspired adjective comes to mind: slovenly.  Now
>that Czechoslovakia is to become two nations, the P.C. thing to do
>would be to excise that word from the language.
>
>Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)

Hon hon...

Oxford English Dictionnary:
--------------------------
     sloven , sb. and a. Forms: 5 sloveyn, 6 slovayne, sloueyne, slovein; 6
slouyn, -in, slovyn, slooven, 6-7 slouen, 6- sloven. [Of doubtful origin; perh.
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
an AFr. formation on Flem. sloef dirty, squalid, shabby (see Kilian), or Dutch
slof careless, negligent.]
 A. sb. 1. A person of low character or manners; a knave, rascal.[...]
--------------------------
About the Huns:
--------------
     Hun , sb. [OE. H&uacu.ne, H&uacu.nas, = ONor. H&uacu.nar, MHG. Hunen,
Hiunen, Ger. Hunnen, med.L. Hunni (Chunni, Chuni), believed to represent the
native name of the people, who were known to the Chinese as Hiong-nu, and
also Han.]
 1. One of an Asiatic race of warlike nomads, who invaded Europe c a.d. 375,
and in the middle of the 5th c., under their famous king Attila (styled
Flagellum Dei, the scourge of God), overran and ravaged a great part of
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this continent.
 A. 900 Cynewulf Elene 21 (Gr.) Werod samnodan Huna leode and HreDgotan, foron
fyrdhwate Francan and Hunas. A. 900 Cynewulf Elene 32 Huna cyning. 1607 Topsell
Four-f. Beasts (1658) 226 The Companies or Armies of Huns, wandering up and
down with most swift Horses, filled all things with slaughter and terrour. 1728
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Pope Dunciad iii. 90 The North..Great nurse of Goths, of Alans, and of Huns.
1838 Penny Cycl. XII. 346/2 Under Heraclius [610-641] many of the Huns embraced
Christianity.  After that period their name is no longer mentioned in History.
[...]
----------------------------
Guess that answer the question "why are they held as barbarians".
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:30:15 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1992Oct14.133955.24993@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
(Clare Chu) writes:
>  Born here.  But you Americans do not consider me American.  You
>  Americans come up to me and compliment me for not having an accent.
[Further eloquent expression of frustration at being prejudged by Americans
(or perhaps, certain Americans) on the basis of physical appearance deleted
to save bandwidth]

Clare, you perhaps remember I've been guilty at least once of making an
assumption about you with insufficient data, but that had nothing to do
with nationality.

If you do catch me implying that your credentials as an American are inferior
to mine (or anyone else's), or that you should be expected to know more about
Chinese culture than I or anyone else, or similar claptrap, please don't
hesitate to let me know.  If one of my previous statements has contained
such an implication, please point it out to me.
-- 
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Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Dougie Howser, Quincy
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:23:56 GMT

In article <#S5-twA@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.150951.1514@u.washington.edu> Roger Tang,
>gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu writes:
>>In article <67390@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>>Chris Wa of microsoft says Quincy was based on a controversial Asian Am
>>	You really are pretty ignorant, aren't you.....
>>	You don't need to have an authority to know Quincy was
>>based on Thomas Noguchi....
>I guess I am just a poor, ignorant soul too.  

	Yeah, but you're from Michigan, so that's forgivable...

>The criticisms you get for stating an "ignorance" kind of makes you want 
>to not find anything out so that your ignorance will never be revealed and 
>thus no one will ever criticise you for being ignorant.

	ACtually the lesson is not to respond to something until AFTER
the second espresso of the day....



-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:45:25 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Oct6.044145.21395@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>NO MATTER WHAT SCIENCE REVEALS ABOUT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GROUPS OF
>HUMAN BEINGS, IT STILL MEANS THAT EVERYONE DESERVES EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO
>BE ALL THAT THEY CAN BE.

And according to Steven J. Gould thinking about human beings as
consisting of distinct groups (i.e. "races") is not a useful or
accurate way of describing the variations among them.
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From: sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao)
Subject: Re: Movie Ratings Ballot 10/92
Reply-To: sedayao@chopin.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:12:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.220718.3768@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
> Here's the fourth posting of the s.c.a.a Movie/Book Ratings Ballot.
> If you have voted last time, you don't need to vote again, unless
> you've seen new movies or read new books.

> You can type them into the template below if that will help.  Also, 
> you can suggest additions; however, my decision will be final.
> The ballot will aim to include all films and books (a) of particular 
> interest to Asian-Americans and (b) that have been frequently 
> discussed in this group.  These may include Asian films and books 
> of high quality that have received US exposure.

[list of movies and books deleted]

Thought I would mention some other movies that weren't on the list.  Anyone 
else seen these?

1.  "Living on Tokyo Time" - I really like this movie, but there are others
who really hate it.

2.  "Big Trouble in Little China" - with Kurt Russell, Wood Moy (I think that is
his name), and Dennis Dun.  Silly but fun, and IMHO, hilariously campy.

3.  "Go for Broke" - stars Van Heflin (no, he's not Asian American).  A 50's war
movie about the Japanese American unit in WWII Europe (442nd division, I believe).

> Send EMAIL.  DON'T post replies.

> -- 
> Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
> achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
>                 * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

-- 
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Intel Corporation
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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 00:55:45 GMT


In article <1992Oct3.192240.598@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>
>No discussion of interracial relationships is ever complete without bringing up
>the fact that most of the CM involved in relationship with AAF are nerds, dorks, 
>geeks, and your typical Chuck Wagon types.  They know they won't have a prayer
>with even the plainest looking CF.  So it comes down to AAF or party doll filled
>with warm water, which is really the same thing when you think about it.  

This is obviously not true in all cases, but from my experience, the CM that
are going out with AF are simply Dorky, Geek, or Nerdy.

Once, while I was in Reno with an AF friend, she made a comment about this
one particular AF/CM couple.  The comment was how she could go out with him
since he's just plain Dorky.  He seemed to be enjoying the way people were
checking him and his girlfriend out (he seem proud in a way).

When I was going to school at UCSD I was a suitemate of this jewish guy.
We talked alot and stuff, but I always thought he was pretty goofy looking
guy.  Anyways, I was suprised when he showed me a picture of his girlfriend,
who happened to be a cute AF (but short).  The next year she started school
in SD... A month later, she dumped him and started going out with an AM.

I know another pretty AF who almost married her CM boyfriend until she met
my roommate who was then a pre-med student at UCSD.  My roommate was a
goodlooking AM so they were right for each other.  Anyways, they're practically
married now.  After talking to her a few times, I got the impression that
she liked her CM boyfriend, but deep inside, she would dump him for the right
AM.  Luckily, my roommate was the one.  Lucky him.  Unfortunately, my roommate,
"let go" of his (ie:dump) AF girlfriend who he almost married.

Gary
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:41:24 GMT
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Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>In article <92277.223633ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> <ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> B). People who have the ``inferiority complex'' about their own race
>>     and just want to marry into the mainstream.
>>   I don't think any white would have this kind of symptons.  And they
>>   are THE mainstream here in U.S.A.

>  Blah, this doesn't exclude whites.  There are whites with "inferiority
>  complexes" about their own races too.  Try looking in Hawaii.  I have
>  a friend who hates being "hapa-haole", being taunted about it during
>  his school days.  I know whites in L.A. who are desparado to get a little
>  color into their family, going after Filipinos and Mexicans, for almost
>  "maximal" effect.  Some are males, others are females.  Most spend hours
>  in the sun, claiming they have a tan, when in fact it looks like crispy
>  bacon.  You don't want to tell them, so you say, "Wow, what a 'tan'!"
>  My ex-landlady would rather be leathery at an early age, than, (gasp!) pale!
>  Pale was the worse insult to many people I knew in L.A./San Diego.

What Clare says is true, at least here in San Diego.  In K through
12th grades there is a stigma attached to being white.  It was
more "cool" not to be white.  My sister is hapa but she looks completely
northern European.  She tried really hard to look non-white including
getting fried by the sun (it had the "bacon" effect) and dating Mexicans.

She has given up the frying method but still dates Mexicans.  She has
never gone out with a white man.  She also has never gone out with an
Asian man.  She just was never comfortable being Asian or northern European
rather than it being an `inferiority complex' but I have seen a few
whites and a few Filipinos who would rather belong to another ethnic group.

-- 
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XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: martial arts
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:35:52 GMT

In article <9210071735.AA25531@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Ung-Ho Yi <ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>hello,
>i was wondering if any of you took martial arts in past or present
>and how do you feel about it?
I've been doing martial arts for the last 6 years. I thinks
its great. It's fun, good excercise, and mental discipline.

RT
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:51:19 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <BvqvDL.Lon@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <SHAW.92Oct6204751@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.190526.9818@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>>	Still, I really don't think this will actually come to happen.
>>   Sure, a small cult following of white floosies willing to chase Japanese
>>   businessmen might develop, but this is merely because there are always
>>   women willing to chase money.  In addition, I'm not willing to write
>>   America off as a has-been, third world country.
>>
>>If you've never been to Japan, I think it's difficult to understand the
>>degree to which the US is _already_ way behind.  If we don't get our shit
>>in gear soon, we're going to be in *big* trouble.
>
>Yes the U.S. better get its act together, if it expects to CATCH UP with 
>Japan.  Japanese classes are already being flooded with students in
>North America wanting to learn the language of this economic super power.
>Some are even moving there for work, and some even for good.
>
>Sayonara, omae-tachi!  ;)

Dude, let's not pretend that Japanese are saviours of race relations.  
Prejudice against foreigners is not treated with any guilt over there, particularly
against  Asian-Americans or other some such subspecies.  Regardless of all the
money the Japanese make, it all goes to investment in new facilities, since
the fragile superpower cannot afford to be an economic giant without
intervention in other countries' economies.  Their living standard is still
rather pathetic, which will never change unless the population density
decreases by 50-80%.  If you think that Asian American women go head-over-
heels to date blond/blue-eye white knights, you haven't seen Japanese women,
or the crudeness by which they judge people by their appearances.  Japan
is a very closed society and will continue to be for the indefinite future,
just that they become more skillful at entertaining foreign guest workers
(w/o revealing their true prejudices).  So the Japanese now how to make
some high-tech devices better than we do, but what does that have anything
to do with leadership/management skills.  Much of Made in Japan products
today are assembled by laborers in other parts of Asia, exploiting cheap
labor costs.  Once the yen reaches parity with the dollar, it will be questionable
whether they can continue to be an economic miracle.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9427 soc.culture.asean:6738 soc.culture.korean:4640 soc.rights.human:3810 alt.individualism:5690
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 09:35:20 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups:  soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech

In article <1992Oct7.233904.4754@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>I have never advocated suppression.  A person should be free to do whatever
>she wishes as long as what she does does not infringe on another person's
>rights.  I have consistently voiced support for the Bill of Rights and
>the notions expressed by that document.  It is entirely consistent with the
>2nd statement in this paragraph.
>
>Again, I support the eradication of the Chinese language by means that
>are consistent with the Bill of Rights.  The "means" are the
>mechanisms, in the United States, that have resulted in Nth-generation
>Asian-Americans losing their grasp of an Asian language with each succeeding
>value of N.  Where N is large, the vast majority speak no Asian language.
>
>My position is that I favor this effect, the loss of language ability,
>for 1 particular Asian language:  the Chinese-cu language.  At no point
>have any Asian-Americans been denied the right to speak the Chinese-cu
>language; _no_ suppression has occurred.  Yet, few Nth-generation
>Asian-Americans speak Chinese, where N is large.
>
>I am absolutely befuddled as to why Mr. Tan is incapable of understanding
>this proposition.  It does not advocate suppression or anything that
>is inconsistent with the Bill of Rights but does advocate the eradication
>of the Chinese-cu language.
>
The first amendment protects all forms of speech, even the speaking of
Chinese. I fail to see how you can eradicate the use of Chinese without
abridging the first amendment.

In the past, Mr. Joe has proposed a plan by which after the military
takeover of China, English would be the only official language. English
is the de facto official language of the United States (to my knowledge,
there is no statute proclaiming English as _the_ official language of
the U.S.A.). However, there are many people, and not just of Chinese
descent, who speak the language of their homeland, even if they are
several generations removed.

Furthermore, I don't see the people of the ex-Warsaw Pact speaking
Russian. So far as I know, German, Polish, Czech, and Hungarian are
still in use.

Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
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