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From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: Headhunters?
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:22:33 GMT


	Dear Netters, 

	Could someone forward me names/addresses of Headhunters in the
following areas:

	Austin, TX
	Irvine, CA
	Miami, FL
	Seattle, WA
	Eugene, OR
	Albequerque, NM
	Tuscon, AZ

	This is for computer work, naturally... specializing in unix boxes
w/ X/Motif and NeXT platforms.

	thanks.. rj
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Ranjan Bagchi					       Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
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From: ptb@prg.ox.ac.uk (Peter Breuer)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Is three pages too long for a resume?
Summary: it depends
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:37:06 GMT
Reply-To: Peter.Breuer@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Peter Breuer)
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: ptb@topaz.comlab

In article <185139@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.122913.27676@topaz.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Peter.Breuer@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Peter Breuer) writes:
>>
>>And exactly how I am I supposed to fit four postdoc and faculty
>>positions, three degrees, and one hundred publications into two pages?
>>(Mind you, if you _could_ tell me how ...)
>>
>   If you are applying for a civilian job, by realizing just how
			      ^^^^^^^^? non-military? non-academic? commercial?
>   much these are of "intense interest" to a prospective employer.
>   NOT!!!

Whilst I appreciate that group leadership, the ability to find funding,
evidence of team-ability are vitally interesting, no organisation will be so
naive as to think one could legitimately claim these qualities without
having the career qualifications (i.e. publication record, in my case)
to back it up.  They've got to be there, or your team's going to give
you respect. NOT!!!

Looking at the accursed CV, I see that it starts with boxed
biographical details, then the first page is taken up with employment
from Phd till now, with a few lines on each post. One has to get as
many keywords in as possible, else some bozo in personnel will junk the
thing. But going through personnel seems to be a waste of everyone's
time anyway, since they only pick up on the standard set of characteristics
that identifies Joe Average organisation-person.  (Yep, personal contacts
have got me the job every time except once, so far, and the CV has only
helped once it gets beyond the front desk).

The second page lists undergrad and Masters subjects in the first few
lines, and some internships. Then three and a half pages of publications,
and a bit of work in progress, grant applications, and so on (referees
addresses).

But you're quite right that commercial organisations hate it. It's
never worked yet. On the other hand, universities and research labs
love it. So there we have the famous culture gulf. I'm fed up with it
myself. Personally I'd have hired Fabrikant (oh - I beg your pardon,
read the back numbers of sci.research.careers) on the grounds that he had
a wonderful publication record and a personality so completely paranoid
that it was positively cheering. But commercial organisations seem to
go in for the `we're all dumb/smart, smarmy people here, so let's not raise
hackles' view. You seem like a nice person yourself, can we have a
flame war? Do you think it's true that lots of commercial organisations
won't touch anyone with academic qualifiactions, because they think it
disqualifies them from `the real world'? And conversely?

Peter
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Is three pages too long for a resume?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:18:56 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhambra.pa.dec.com

|> My resume was FOUR "pages" long. (and this is when I graduated from college :-))
|> But it fit on only one piece of paper. Take your standard 8.5" x 11", fold
|> it in half down the middle, rotate it 90 degrees, and what do have? A
|> miniature book book about yourself, with built-in features like a title
|> page, a back cover, and two pages in the middle.

Does this really work?  Since most employers FAX and photocopy resumes,
unusual layouts and sizes are probably not very helpful.

I recommend sticking with the standard 2 page layout.  3 pages is
excessive unless you have lots of patents or publications (which
should appear at the end).  You should really only detail the last
5 years.  Anything older than that is likely obsolete and should
be presented in only a highly summarized fashion.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: RE: JOB AD FROM COMPUTERW
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 

-> So, why hasn't a similar number been adopted in the US...?


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From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Resume Paper Colour!
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:11:43 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <C1H5AE.IFw@athena.cs.uga.edu> stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton) writes:
>what I hate though, are the cheesy parchment looking papers for resumes.  Ummm..
>like we really have parchment just lying around any longer. ;)

Well Cat, a parchment resume DOES stand out from those printed on plain
white paper.  However, the most impressive resume I ever saw was 
submitted about a year ago to our organization.  It was so impressive
that it was passed around to all the executives in our organization.
Great, huh?  So what was so special about this resume?  It broke all
the rules about resumes.  It wasn't a one pager.  The person spent a
little money, and had their resume printed up like a menu in a 
restaurant.  On the "cover", it had a computer screen and keyboard, 
and on the "screen" it said "the resume of _________".  Then as you
open the "menu", on page two the actual resume begins, and continues 
to page three.  Page four [or the back] listed accomplishments of
the individual.  Each page of the resume contained a nicely printed
border, and was nicely done.  This resume impressed a lot of people,
and it broke all the rules.  With all the supposed rules regarding
resumes, sometimes we forget that the object of sending resumes is
to insure that they are read by the object they are intended.  This
resume surpassed its intention.  Yes, it was great.
--Keith
From: yoon@meaddata.com (Yoonho Ha)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Certified Financial Planner
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:41:09 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.meaddata.com

Does anyone out there know the steps that need to be taken to become a 
Certified Financial Planner i.e. courses that need to be taken and/or exams?

I've been bouncing the idea around of studying to become a financial planner
as a new career, but I don't know how to proceed.

In addition, has anyone ever heard of the College of Financial Planning?  It's
a study-at-home curriculum.  Unlike one of those correspondence courses, it
looks and sounds very reputable, but I like to get other opinions.

Any help would be appreciated. 

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Is three pages too long for a resume?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:39:31 GMT

In article <93022.135529F0O@psuvm.psu.edu> <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   My resume now is two pages, and I couldn't squeeze any more into those
>two pages.  I will start another job at the beginning of February and this
>will certainly push my resume into three pages.
>   Are three pages too much if you feel all the information is relevant?
>I don't want the resume to be too long, and have the potential employer
>not even look at it, but on the other hand, I don't want to keep out any
>information which might get me hired.


All of the important stuff better be on top of the first page.
When a hiring manager has hundreds to study, they may not look further than that.
What is important depends on the job you are applying for and your career stage.
Keep different versions is you want to emphasize different abilities for different
job openings.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,news.groups
From: szopinsk@picard.med.ge.com (Jerry Szopinski Mfg 4-6983)
Subject: Re: Non-computer job posts?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:54:00 GMT

William Wood (bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: >|> AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET wrote:
: >|> 
: >|> : Could anyone tell me if there is a newsgroup that has non-computer
: >|> job
: >|> : postings? Specifically, I am looking for possible Assistant Professor
: >|> : positions in Business Schools around the country.
: 
: 
: <*>
: 
: I would be happy to see "COMPUTER SUPPORT" - type jobs available
: as well..!
: 
: What are these???  Technical Specialists
:                    Sr. Level Computer personnel: Operators, Tape
:                    storage Librarians; Operation Supervisors; etc.
: 
:     .......That's who!
: 
:     I realize this is a column for posting many professional positions,
:     but all I've seen are mostly P/A and Engineer positions.    There 
:     are dozens of other support positions in EVERY MAJOR COMPUTER 
:     ENVIRONMENT, why do 'these' jobs never get posted?  Is there another 
:     column in which to post??



I, myself, would be interested in seeing any job postings relating to Electronics
in general.  The job market in my metro area is pretty tight for my field; I'd
like to see what else is out there in other areas/states.  I'd hop a cross-
country freight train if it meant getting a better position.


:
From: siemen@eagle.egr.msu.edu (Brian Siemen)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: ieee career fairs Lendman Grp Detroit area
Keywords: Lendman Grp
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:03:08 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.egr.msu.edu

I am looking for inforamtion on the career fair sponsored by IEEE.  I was wondering if
anyone would know when it is in the Detroit area.  Please post it or mail it to me
(siemen@egr.msu.edu).  Thanks in advance.

Brian Siemen
siemen@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: park@netcom.com (Bill Park)
Subject: Lawyer recommendations for computer consultant?
Followup-To: park@netcom.com
Keywords: lawyer, consumer, small business
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:10:24 GMT

I'm seeking recommendations for a lawyer in the Menlo Park/Palo Alto
area to handle contracts, IRS "20 questions" about contractors, and
intellectual property rights.  I'm a sole proprietor computer
consultant with no employees, so I'd like to hear from people like
myself who are happy with their lawyer.

Thanks for any suggestions and war stories,

Bill Park
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: td@vax.ftp.com  (Tom S.D'Amore)
Subject: Re: Electrical engineer from Bosnia needs job in Canada
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: IEEE 
Reply-To: td
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:58:09

In article <1993Jan21.191329.7897@rz-berlin.mpg.de> VAN_HEEL@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE writes:

    
    
    
    Try in the USA,
IEEE 1-617-232-3366 or 1-800-678-4333
They might be able to steer you in the right direction.
td....
 

            Electrical engineer from Bosnia needs job in Canada
    
    
    
            Konstantin Hadziristic (44), 
            master's degree in electrical engineering,
            19 years of experience in energy conservation in industry
            (data acquisition, modelling, unit energy consumption
            and power demand analysis, management improvements)
            seeks suitable job offer in Canada (Edmonton?).
    
            Was forced to leave Bosnia with wife and 2 year old child, 
            and is temporarily living in Holland.
    
            A permanent resident visa for Canada is already available.
    
            Please phone directly:    011 (31) 5945-13095
            or reply by e_mail (see below)
    
            Konstantin Hadziristic 
            B.v. Waninglaan 49
            9351 LS   LEEK     
            The NETHERLANDS
    
    
    
    ==================================================================
    
          I am posting this for a friend.  Wil forward electronic messages
          by ordinary mail or FAX.
    
          Marin van Heel 
    
          Fritz Haber Institute of the Max Planck Society   
          Faradayweg 4-6, W-1000 Berlin 33, Fed.Rep.Germany 
          Tel: 49-30-8305380     fax: 49-30-8305509
          E_mail:  Van_Heel@fhi-berlin.mpg.de
From: jim@options.uujobs.com (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Attention Archivers! "Best Threads" of m.j.m. sought
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:24:36 EST
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: world
Organization: Options Unltd., Silver Spring, MD

I'm looking for the "best threads" of misc.jobs.misc, to make available
to net-jobhunters, employers, and others at no charge via mail-server. I
know there must be a few folks out there compulsively saving the
discussions on resume formats, interviewing tips, negotiating offers,
company politics, etc. - this is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
Please email to jim@uujobs.com.

I hope to have this "career advice-server" neat & pretty by March 1 -
maybe it will take some of the repetitive load off of this newsgroup.
If you want an index of available docs, keep watching this space; I will
post a notice as soon as the service is available. Sorry, I can't
respond to requests for this information at this time.

Thanks.


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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Is three pages too long for a resume?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan26.122913.27676@topaz.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Peter.Breuer@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Peter Breuer) writes:
>
>And exactly how I am I supposed to fit four postdoc and faculty
>positions, three degrees, and one hundred publications into two pages?
>(Mind you, if you _could_ tell me how ...)
>
   If you are applying for a civilian job, by realizing just how
   much these are of "intense interest" to a prospective employer.
   NOT!!!
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:8909 misc.jobs.offered:16409
From: kopelman31@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Software Engineer, Wayne PA
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:58:08 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Position:  Software Engineer

Location:  Wayne, PA  (20 min. outside of Philadelphia)

Summary:

This position is a mid- to senior-level software engineer 
reporting to the Manager of Software Engineering. Duties will 
include all phases of system development including requirements 
definition, design, and programming. The individual should be 
highly motivated and capable of growing to a leadership position. 


Skills:

- 3 to 5 years solid C experience required 
- good written and oral communications required 
- DOS, MS Windows, and Novell programming preferred 
- experience with database, C++, or UNIX a plus


Company:

Telebase Systems is an INC 500 company and a leading player in the
online information industry. We offer excellent benefits and 
opportunity for professional growth in a small company 
environment. Telebase is located in Wayne, PA (20 mi west of 
Philadelphia).


Mail resume and salary history to:

Director of Engineering Telebase Systems, Inc. 435 Devon Park 
Drive Wayne, PA 19087

NO PHONE CALLS, PLEASE!


or via e-mail to:

hr@portsmith.com


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton)
Subject: Re: Mail about misguided m.j.o posting gets terse response
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:44:03 GMT

Ahh yes Igor sounds like an exquisite writer.  At any rate, I find it
doesn't help much to post personal mail via Usenet.  What I usually do
when I get something like is merely bounce a copy to root at their machine
with no further explanation and then just set up my mailer to auto-bounce
all their mail back to them.  I think my mailer bounces all mail from
senders named Igor by default.  ;)

Seriously though, I have replied before to an obviously inappropriate
post.  Only the person posted to some nationwide group about losing
his/her coat in Pennsylvania -- had anyone seen it?  I simply wrote back
nicely saying "Well  if it ever shows up here in Stone Mountain I'll
let you know" full of smileys and all and got a really rude response.
Just goes to show that not ALL people who use USENET are decent people,
nor are they all particularly gifted in the "choosing proper newsgroup
distribution" department.

But I'd have thought your letter to our friend Igor was a flame.  You
did call him "foolish" -- sounds personally insulting to me.

But I digress -- back to the job stuff now...

Cat
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Resume Paper Colour!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:27:55 GMT

rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes:

>There's also a good practical reason to stick with white (or, if you really
>must be elegant, cream or ivory) stationery: it's much easier to photocopy,
>FAX, or scan.  Not to mention the fact that typically only the HR dept.
>will ever see the original anyway...

One agreement and one disagreement:

The photocopying thing is a very good reason to not go too far out on a
limb concerning colour.  To the original poster: before using a particular
colour, make only one copy on it (if possible), then photocopy it, and if
it still looks great, go with it.

On your second point, larger firms have HR departments, and (let's repeat
the old mantra) they say only about a third of available jobs are with
large corporations, so in my opinion, the possibility of your resume being
seen by the person doing the hiring (or making the decision anyway) is at
least better than half.  I've now had two jobs, and in both instances, I
was interviewed by the hiring person and had my original resume in front of
them.  Your milage may vary.

Unless, of course, you focus your search on large corporations....never 
let advice get in the way of common sense. =-)
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.kids
From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account)
Subject: How to become Tech writer - advice wanted
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:15:00 GMT

My friend has her bachelor's diploma in literature and some 
experience in writing. What kind of a engineering training should
she acquire for a tech writing career? Is it possible at all to
come into tech writing from a non-engineering background?
Any info on this would be appreciated. Please send your responses
to tabs@netcom.com.
Thanks
bp
From: kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch)
Subject: Companies in Nashville, Tennessee area
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:53:41 GMT

Can anyone tell me what electronic, defense-related, or computer
hardware/software companies are within about an hour drive of
Nashville?

Thanks,

Kathleen


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