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From: UC445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John M. Kelsey)
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 02:14:00 CST

In article <glen.725726061@cs.wisc.edu>
glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
 
>
>
>I remember, as a youth, being told that if you tell one lie, you will probably
>find yourself telling more lies to cover up the first one.
>I am reminded of that when I read about parents who have to come up with
>new Santa Claus stories to cover up for problems with the initial Santa Claus
>lie.
>
>It's kind of odd having strangers push their stories about Santa on my son,
>but at least I have the truth on my side.  I would be more uncomfortable if
>all I had was a conflicting lie.
>
>It seems to me that telling lies undermines any attempt to encourage children
>to be truthful, and would violate my .signature file.
>Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y
   Actually, I've always thought that telling kids about Santa Claus gives
them a valuable, certain-to-be-repeated experience--that of realizing that
something they've believed and been told all their lives, and which seems
to be accepted by everyone all around, is actually false.
 
   [Only half in jest...]
 
   --John Kelsey
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Funny things they say, 22mo
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:25:26 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <mks2vmn@rpi.edu> nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson) writes:
>I have to preface this by saying that I have to be one of the few
>people who have slipped past the unofficial entrance exam and entered
>RPI not liking beer or, worse, hockey.  My wife, on the other hand, is
>a great fan.  Our daughter now goes to the campus day care center and
>they frequently trot the toddler class over to the fieldhouse to watch
>hockey practice.  

Chris, you ain't the only one 8-)

And of course, my kid is the one who wants the Zamboni for
Christmas.

Which she's not getting [this year 8-] [that I know of, anyway]



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Date: Saturday, 2 January 1993 19:43:21 MST
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: False Analogies (was: A few facts about circumcision)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <1993Jan1.233012.9512@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
# 
# In article <765343d4749132t222@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
# >In <1992Dec31.145255.3618@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
# ># What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
# ># answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
# ># like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
# ># decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
# ># about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
# ># adult would result in legal action against those involved.
# >
# >  Since you bring up false analogies, please note that you can get sued
# >  for ANY medical procedure performed on an unconsenting adult.  In
# >  fact, you can get sued for just about ANYTHING you do to an
# >  unconsenting adult.  For instance: feeding, bathing, dressing,
# >  immunizing, putting to bed at night, involuntary confinement, ...
# 
# I would imagine that if a person were brought into an emergency room
# unconscious and needing an injection to stay alive, there would be no problem
# about not having consent.

  Nice try, but wrong again.  Having some exposure to ER procedures, I
  can assure you that they sweat blood in cases like this.  The big
  question is not "what does this person need," but "do we stand a
  greater risk of malpractice if we DO or if we DON'T?"

  Check the references.  There's case law on both sides; either way
  you can lose.  Basically, the patient (or estate) gets to
  second-guess your decision.  There have been cases where the
  hospital was GUARANTEED to make the wrong guess, since the patient
  belonged to an anti-medicine sect but the family was dead-set
  against.  (Treat the patient, he lives, HE sues; don't treat,
  he dies, THEY sue!)

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Why didn't Santa bring me a car?
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:40:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.064803.6003@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> 
> Anyway, I had indicated to my parents that I wanted it for Christmas, and
> they basically told me to forget it.  So I figured I'd go a little higher up
> the food chain and ask Santa for it.  It was after I asked Santa for it that
> my mother explained a very basic fact to me that I hadn't considered, and
> that you might be wise to explain to your kid...Santa will not bring toys
> that the parents veto.  He may be able to get more stuff than your parents,
> but he won't overrule them.
> 
> So if one of her other little friends gets this same car, the answer is very
> simple...her parents didn't veto it.
> 

We've successfully used this technique, though the kid got kinda ticked
at us for veto-ing certain items.    Basically, we said Santa didn't
bring weapons or toys that were dangerous to the baby (Keith has
wanted Micro Machines the past two years).  I almost made more trouble
for myself when I found out he's been asking Santa for a kitten
(we already have 2 cats), and I said that Santa hadn't checked with
me about it, and he wanted to know all about how Santa checks with
parents.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how to raise a bilingual kid
From: nina@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Nina Rosson)
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:33:57 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <C01A5z.Jv1@world.std.com> cwn@world.std.com (Christopher W Nash) writes:
>I'm sure at some point or other this topic has been raised here, but
>I need recommendations for books about teaching a kid how to talk when one
>parent is a native English speaker and the other is not. In my case my
>wife is Danish and we are about to have a baby. We plan to bring the kid
>up using both languages but we'd like to learn more about just how to do
>it. So if anyone can suggest a book or article about this or if you have
>any other advice, I'd be greatful. Thanks
>chris
>cwn@world.std.com

I am in a similar situation, so I would like to have information on this, too.
My husband is American and I grew up in Finland, speaking Swedish at home. We
have an 8.5 month old baby girl.  My husband wants her to grow up speaking
both English and Swedish, and I'd like that also. The problem is that I'm
not sure how to go about it.

I very rarely have the opportunity to speak any Swedish, my husband doesn't
speak/understand the language at all - and in addition to it being hard to
carry on a monologue with a small baby, I feel funny speaking to her in a
language that my husband doesn't understand at all.  -  A friend of mine
suggested recently that I could say everything in English, and then right
after repeat it in Swedish.  Any opinions on this?  (It may actually have
a nice side benefit of my husband learning it at the same time!)

Thanks for any advice you may have!

Nina
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Effacing (?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:36:55 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Dec21.202237.1292@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec16.223805.27394@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>>>Hi.  My daughter went to the doctor today.  She is 36 weeks.  He told
>>>her that she is 40% effaced (this has been just since last Thursday).
>>>
>>>Any thoughts as to how long it may be before she has this darling
>>>baby girl?  I knew nothing about effacing when I had my two (years
>>>ago).
>
>>It's impossible to tell.  Engagement, effacement, and even dilation are
>>not accurate predictors of when labor will begin.  Some women walk
>>around effaced and dilated for days or even weeks before real labor
>>starts.  Others do all their effacement and dilation in three hours of
>>labor.  The best you can say is "sometime in the next month, probably".
>
>Be careful about what you speak of concerning effacement and dilation.
>You won't find many women walking around with 100% effacement who are
>NOT going to be going into labor within the next 24-48 hours.  A woman
>can be at a certain percentage of effacement AND be a couple of centimeters
>dilated at the same time, but if she is 100% effaced, there is an 
>excellent chance that she will kick into active labor within 24 hours,
>if not sooner, since all that is left at this point is to dilate to
>10 centimeters and push the little critter out.  Remember that "effacement"
>is a term used to denote the thinning out of the cervical wall.
>
>allen


  You may not find many, but you will find some, and that was the point --
you just can't tell.  I walked around for 5 **weeks** effaced 100%, and
dilated 1-2 cm.  It is true that my doctor told me at every visit I
wouldn't make it to the next appointment, and it is true that most women
would have gone into labor shortly after getting to 100% effaced, but
if I can be an exception then so can anybody else.  Believe me, it was
a loooooong 5 weeks.  I'd expected to deliver late, because my family
always delivers late, but then 3 weeks before my due date the doctor
told me it would be any minute, and the whole thing seemed so much
longer than it would have otherwise.  And in the end, I delivered 12
days after my due date, just like I'd originally expected.
 
					Susanne Gilliam

















 
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From: smmyers@foghorn.srv.pacbell.com (Sean Myers)
Subject: Greg Kapraun and Walker FAQ
Organization: Pacific Bell OSSEM
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:09:38 GMT

Greg,

     I tried to send you the walker faq, but it bounced back.  Could you send me
a list of possible addresses for you so that I can try again.

Sean
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Cute Things they Say [2.5 years]
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:41:01 GMT

[Those of you that aren't Audrey and Don Wood fans might not
understand this]

Rachel awoke early this morning requesting breakfast.  Dave got up
with her, but then she wouldn't eat.  He said, "How come you woke me
up early if you don't want to eat?"  She said, "This is *not* a
napping house."

I guess she has the concept of reality vs. books down!  :-)

Kathie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sdc@nsscmail.att.com (Sheryl D. Chapin)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:58:36 GMT



1.  Recent studies have shown that circumcised men have less chance of
   getting penile cancer.

2.   A small number of men have a problem where the foreskin does not grow
    with the penis.  (I forgot the name of this problem)  In this case a
    circumcision is medically required.

3.  The older a man gets the more painfull a circumcision is.  My sisters
    boyfriend had to be circumcised when he was in his mid thirties, he
    was in the hospital for two weeks.  According to my doctor, that is not
    unusual for a man that age.



-- 
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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:47:37 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <C01Gvv.F04@NeoSoft.com>, claire@NeoSoft.com (Claire Sanford) writes:
> 
> Look.... this is ALT.SEX.WIZARDS.... not ALT.CIRCUMCISION...

Wrongo monkey boy, it's also misc.kids, soc.men and alt.atheism.
Read the Newsgroups: line before saying foolish things. 

> We used to talk about interesting things in this area... now
> the only damn posts are about circumcision...

And where did YOU set the Followup-To: on this posting? Not away from
a.s.w., that's for sure. 

> Look... if you were circumcised when you were a child there is 
> NOTHING you can do about it NOW....
> If you are against it.. don't have it done to your children...

Succinct, and blunt. 

> GIVE IT UP.... SHUT UP!  

Also slightly rude. Oh well, can't have everything I suppose. 

> OBSex.Wizards...   What is your wildest Wizardly fantasy for the 
> 			New Year????

To check Usenet without seeing this thread continuing into the distance. 


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From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: looking for book
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:28:55 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, michelle@play.esd.sgi.com (Michelle Boyd) writes:
>In article <24607@galaxy.ucr.edu>, tadpole@ucrmath.ucr.edu (tad white) writes:
|> Some time ago my wife saw a children's book consisting primarily of
|> carefully composed photographs, each of which had a mouse in
|> some inconspicuous hiding place.  Unfortunately we don't know the

>This is 'Goodnight Moon'.  It's a terrific book!  I'm planning
>on buying a copy for our first (due ~June).  The pictures are
>drawn in really vivid colors and they get darker as you get
>nearer the end of the book.  I can still remember looking for the
>mouse when my mom read it to me.  I can't remember the author's
>name  ?Brown maybe.

The author is Margaret Wise Brown.  The illustrator is Clement Hurd,
I think. You can get it as a traditional book with paper pages, as a
board book, and in a boxed set with the stuffed bunny who is going to 
bed in the book.  (telling everything, including the Moon, goodnight).
I agree, it is a terrific book.  Lots of things to find in the pictures,
including the mouse.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: False Analogies (was: A few facts about circumcision)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 23:30:12 GMT

In article <765343d4749132t222@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
>In <1992Dec31.145255.3618@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
># What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
># answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
># like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
># decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
># about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
># adult would result in legal action against those involved.
>
>  Since you bring up false analogies, please note that you can get sued
>  for ANY medical procedure performed on an unconsenting adult.  In
>  fact, you can get sued for just about ANYTHING you do to an
>  unconsenting adult.  For instance: feeding, bathing, dressing,
>  immunizing, putting to bed at night, involuntary confinement, ...

I would imagine that if a person were brought into an emergency room
unconscious and needing an injection to stay alive, there would be no problem
about not having consent.

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dhaibach@encore.com (David R. Haibach)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:05:09 GMT

In article <KAYVAN.92Dec29014143@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
>In article <C002FG.1zz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>
>   Is it true that many americans,irrespective of relegious
>   or ethnic background  have their newborn sons 
>   circumsised today?  If this is indeed so, what are the
>   reasons behind it?
>
>   I would appreciate any information given on the above.
>
>For a very long time, the pediatrics association was pro-circumcision.
>They reversed their stand on circumcision for some years recently and
>then once again took a mildly pro-circumcision stance (even though
>most pediatricians will tell you that there is no medical benefit to
>having a circumcized penis).
>
>It would seem that the reasons for most circumcisions today are rooted
>in outdated religious or cultural values, or in Dad's unwillingness to
>have his son look different from him (or his son's peers). The medical
>information about circumcision is getting out there, and is mostly
>overridden by whatever the "normal practice" is for the family, given
>their history and culture and religious background.

  I am glad you included the words "it would seem". That is your opinion.
  It appears that you feel that anything "old" or "established" is therefore
  automatically outdated and irrelevant. While I take no stand on trying to
  convince others one way or the other on this issue, as it is a parental
  decision (at the moment), I do take issue with the premise that anything
  "new" or "modern" is automatically better. Just because people have had
  more time to think about something and become "enlightened" does not prove
  it's value over time. (with all due respect to the thousands of studies
  done every year on everything one can think of)

  BTW, did you mean to say "practices", instead of "values" ?             

>It all comes down to tradition and culture. Medical information has
>little to do with the decision.
>
>			---Kayvan
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.212646.3784@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.180706.5258@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com
>(Mike Nelson) writes in reply to one of my postings:
>
>
>   > About flossing teeth! I'm one of the lucky ones. My parents
>   > removed each of my teeth as they came in.  I never have to floss
>   > and my gums are perfect, although somewhat retracted.  I enjoy
>   > food and I have been assured by numerous doctors that the
>   > flavour of food is in no way diminished. I certainly don't want
>   > to have to take care of my own childrens teeth and have decided
>   > to remove theirs as well.
>
>   > I only wish my parents had removed my hair follicles[sp?] when I
>   > was born so that I wouldn't have to wash it all the time. It
>   > serves no purpose that a toque doesn't. (like a mitten for your
>   > head; [tuke pron. like puke]).
>
>   > AH! Bald and toothless. Man, I'm living now.
>
>AH!  A sense of humor!  What a relief to find someone with a sense of humor
>in the middle of what has become a flame war.  I laughed until I almost peed
>when I read that one.  Great job Mike, even if I disagree with you.


	How did your circumcision (or lack thereof) effect this
	experience?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sandy@anasazi.com (Sandy Young)
Subject: Re: Second month on Clomid - no luck yet!
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:33:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.165959.6297@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann) writes:
>Anyway, my question is...
>
>Anyone out there a clomid patient?  How long did it take you to get pregnant
>once you ovulated?  I know it is normal to take a while but the last four
>times I became pregnant the first month so this is HARD.  Just in need of
>some reassurance I guess.
>Toni

 I had tried to get pregnant for over a year, then went to a specialist
 who put me on Clomid. I think I was on it for 5 months (with no results)
 and then stopped taking it due to and employer/insurance change.
 I basically gave up, with a new job, and insurance that didn't cover
 this kind of thing, what could I do.
 Well, six months later I got pregnant!!
 My new O.B. told me that sometimes Clomid takes a while to be effective.
 So, please be patient, (I know this is so easy to say, been there) but
 it *will* happen.
 Good luck!
 B.T.W. I had a *very* healthy boy, 9lbs 10oz!

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From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Aspirin and pregnancy induced hypertension
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:41:18 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Originator: cew@pelham

When I was pregnant three years ago, my doctor started me on
a baby aspirin a day at around my fifth month.  I stopped
taking it a couple of weeks before my due date.  I was
not a high risk for hypertension and I generally have
low blood pressure.  He does this for all his patients.
The hardest thing was finding baby aspirin since most
pediatricians recommend not using it.  I finally found
a Revco that carried it.

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
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