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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:03:30 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject: Re: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
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              20, 92 9:40 am

> Math love is a frequent accompanyment of geek-ness, but the Ideal Form
> "Geek" is not so much an aptitude as an attitude.
>
> Right, Rita?
>

	Absolutely.  Although I did get an A in Calculus.

Rita
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:18:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Baby's first word

>When we first moved in, our house did not have indoor plumbing.  And the
>outhouse was in, of all places, the chicken yard.  More experience with
>chicken shit than I ever wanted.....
>ndh

Must have been a standard architectural plan.  My grandmother's
place had the same feature.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:35:35 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Comments on this phrase
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> That's certainly how I would say it, but nother isn't in the dictionary,
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yet.

Neither was "newt" in the dictionary a long time ago.  But "ewt" was.

> What's going on here?

Variation that is possibly indicative of language change in action.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:03:50 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: Internet outage

*** Resending note of 08/15/92 12:55

>But turning it off won't protect it from lightning, will it?
>I thought that was the whole point, about the electricity lines.
>I *do* unplug my computer during bad thunderstorms, sometimes,
>but it doesn't prevent me from posting because I use a laptop.
>(Yes, my modem attaches to the telephone wires--haven't figured
>that one out yet.)

>Karen

Talk about timely!...as I type this there is a fantastic thunderstorm
right outside my window.....CRASH!!!!!!!!!!! ...that was close!!!!!!!
Hope the mainframe doesn't die ...rollover still running... anyway, seem
I recall of a home surge protector that would accomodate both the 110
and phone lines.  We lost a surge protector on the mainframe several
years ago ...think it cost around $25,000, yes thousand!..which seemed
outragous to me as replacement one came in a rather small box, but when
compared to the 12 million plus device it was protecting, guess was worth it.
Oh well, back to work ...I hope.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:53:19 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: On Gender and Such
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> Aw shucks, Natalie.  Want to take this thing off list?

On Uranus?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who should NOT be online again and who is about to log off again
     and WORK...
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: The Evidence 
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:51:12 +0000


In article <0095F6BB.20206940.29422@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU writes:
>>To quote Graham--where were you brought up.  My mother taught me
>>it was rude to flame on typos.

Is my name being taken in vain here?

>Your mother was obviously not an English Teacher, nor your father an English
>Professor. I was brought up to believe that flaming on typos is a favor you
>do for the poor benighted souls who make them.

You don't flame *typos*.   You flame people who make consistent errors
'alot' after they've been pointed out politely once or twice.

You flame people who criticise other's spelling/grammar while making
major errors themselves.

An error which someone would notice if they proofread their posting
doesn't count.  Has to be something which shows up ignorance to be
worth pointing out.  Wilful ignorance doesn't count either - some people,
for instance, would actually *defend* 'alot'... in which case they're
welcome to it.

G
PS Had a major news hiccup today - who was criticising whom over what?
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:44:06 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: List wars
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              Aug 20, 92 5:34 pm

> >senior taskforce which was  charged with writing a report on the
> >free use of the nets. Apprently, so he informed us, there are enough
>
> Get his address and sick Le Pig on him.

Dare I ask - who is "Le PIg?" Sounds like someone from Winnie-the-Pooh??!!

>
> And tell him that the free lists are a great guarantee against a
> coup by Dan Quayle.

A coup by Dan Quayle is not what worries one. It is that he does
NOTHING and STILL become president (still praying for George Bush's health!!)
>
> Russia-L is p(r)etty academic--some good info, *a lot* of ad
> hominem flaming.

I know someone who might be interested in Russia-L - where does it live?
>
> -Mka
>
Cheers -

Agnes
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:47:50 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: First year Persons
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> Got me looking in my files and adding things up:  157 semester hours and
> 54 quarter hours went into my BS.  And I still haven't stopped going to
> school and got a real job yet.  What kind of a life is this?

A good one.  I'm envious.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:48:48 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: EMERGENCY
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:32:47 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> P.S. If the message expressing worry about his whereabouts was a joke
> of some kind, it wasn't a funny one.  Rashmi's response leads me to
> believe that it probably wasn't a joke.

Well, it did occur to me that if Venkates *were* tushar (which I thought
we'd established, no?), it would be exactly Tushar's idea of a) a joke,
to see what would happen if we thought he was dead, and b) a good way
of convincing doubters that v & t are not the same person...

G
From: maya@carina.unm.edu
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Subject: Re: Gender
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:04:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <WORDS-L%92081623123925@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU> writes:

>maya, I think I must be dense.  *Why* is _Tootsie_ a sexist movie,
>rather than a movie about a sexist situation?  Doesn't the really

	I think the big problem is that although such sexist situations
had been (have been ... sigh) going on for years, it took a _man_ to
set things right, a man admittedly dressed like a woman, but still ...
It would be nice if the powers that be would contribute towards the
solution, but the idea that nothing could have been accomplished if this
man hadn't done something, that women are unable to make their voices
heard ... it looked to me like a reworking of the same old story -
A woman (or by extension, all women) is in a difficult situation precisely
because she is a woman (i.e., she lacks the strength/courage/intelligence
to extricate herself), and the hero rides in to save her.
 

>--ggs

-maya (who *adored* WHTMIQRN (N=1...13), simply _adored_ it, dahlink)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:26:07 CDT
From:         Michael J Graven <mjg@NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Tushar's whereabouts
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Jenna writes:

> Maybe we all should carry a little card in our wallet.  Next to the
> emergency phone numbers and the meds. you are allergic to.

"I am Words-L.  Please send mail to words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu."

--
-Michael                          "We were at it like a raven on a road kill."
mjg@nwu.edu       -- Dan Rather, on Ross Perot's leaving the presidential race
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:07:22 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Election
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>If Bush and Clinton were not running for President, which Democrat and
>Republican would you like to see campaigning for that job?

Easy one: Ren and Stimpy.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:24:04 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Quiet
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On Wed, 19 Aug 1992, Doris Smith wrote:
> > > Why is everybody being so quiet tonight??
> >
> > a.  They're busy listening to the Republicans expound on Family Values
> > b.  The Net (or parts of it) is still majorly messed up.
> > c.  I dunno
>
>  Choice <a>, plus reading the first set of papers that came in from my
>  seniors.

Or maybe <c>...between grandchild worship and a state of collapse after
only three days of school...I haven't even turned on the convention once,
although I do wish I hadn't missed Phil Gramm's speech.
ndh (who wishes she were dedicated and had brought her papers home to
finish them but didn't)
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:24:46 GMT
From:         stephanie mandell <steph@UTOPIA.HACKTIC.NL>
Subject:      latin
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In today's Volkskrant there'an article about a Modern Latin
dictionary.

Book info:
Opus Fundatum Latinitas:  Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis -
Volumen I.
Libreria Editrice Vaticana,
Vatican City;
100,000 lire.
ISBN 88 209 1731 9

A few examples for you to play with, I'll post the English later
(I've got to translate some of it from Dutch, and please forgive
any typos):

linimentum confectae rasurae
liquor gelu comminuens
capsella radiophonica autocenetica
saltatiuncula, saltatoria fabula
thermopola
follis canistrique sudus
homo vectigalium fugax
vesticula balnearis Bikiniana
bracae linteae caeruleae
armentarius, pecuarius
instrumentum computatorium
certamen equestre
elementorum certorum thesaurus
foetoris delumentum
usus agaonisticus medicamenti
odoramentum Coloniae
admirator studiosissimus
birota
amor levis
munus pleni temporis
bellum tectum
comformitatis osor
vectorum adiutrix
brevissimae bracae femineae
ars elementorum certoru elaboratoria
photographica imago ilico expressa
cursus pedester
cafaearia potio sine cafaeino
turguriopolis
mulierarius Latinus
aeria navigatio
voces transmutare
minister publicus
pittacium cursuale
ictus a metro undecimo
gasium lacrimogenum
collegium opificum
aegrorum ministra
curator cautionum
coruscantes disci per convexa caeli volantes
extrema hebdomada feriata
lastisugium

hint:  the list is in alfabetical order in Dutch (!) save one,
but since lots of the words are identical to English, that
shouldn't cause you too much trouble.



S

 ---
steph@utopia.hacktic.nl (stephanie mandell)
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:08:15 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Silence is revealing
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:58:00 EST Entropy Warrior said:
>The whole time Ronnie was on, all wordslers fell dumb.  I can
>only conclude that most of you all out there in Words-L Land are
>secret Ronnie worshippers.
>
   In a pig's eye.....

I don't even know when he was on....I got enough from sound bites.
hey, the news gives you all the "good parts" about IHOP and the dorm room
and all that crap....and did the same for me on the Demo Convention whatever
pre-olympics week that was on.

Knowing and caring are fine....but it doesn't mean I gotta WATCH that crap.
There ARE other things to do.  Ask Gail!   8-)

dan
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:13:33 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gender
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> I supppose--to the extent that some nouns and pronouns are marked
> for gender.  On the other hand, ships occur as 'she' as well as

I've always thought of things like the use of "she" for ships as
metaphorical.

>     So I guess the question becomes is there such a thing as
> 'natural gender.'   Gender is just what we call it these days.
> As Karen noted, the G(r)eeks could have just done called
> 'genders' alpha, beta, and gamma (especially since that is how

If "gender is just what we call it these days," isn't it therefore
gender?   I agree, of course, that the Greeks could have just as
easily used alpha, beta, etc.

I don't think languages like French and Spanish are good examples of
grammatical gender, btw, since natural gender is also involved.

Somehow this discussion reminds me of a question I think I asked on
the list a long time ago.  Do Modern English nouns have case?  Is the
case of "dog" in "The dog chased the cat" different from what it is in
"The cat chased the dog"?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:18:18 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: List wars
              20 Aug 1992 17:17:49 EST from <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:17:49 EST Entropy Warrior said:
>>>the power and choosing not to use it?
>
>No, it's Buddhist.
>>
>
>Evelyn
>
>The Buddhism is in the *choosing*, not the using--or not

That's what I said:  having the power and choosing not to use it is
Buddhist.
>
>-Mka
>PS Evelyn, got the addresses for Belief-L and Politics-L?
>They're not on IU's list of lists.

belief-l:  Internet:  belief-l@brownvm.brown.edu
           Bitnet:    belief-l@brownvm

politics:  Bitnet:    politics@ohstvma
>
>The entropy storm is abating
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:41:38 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gender

>Language exists *only* in social usage, as you seem to acknowledge.
>Language-shapes-thought-shapes-language. Sounds like you're conceding
>that language is the precursor to thought. If so, then it's the
>language that's in some persons' heads. Sounds, despite your mastery of
>the obvious, like you're saying that "language cannot be sexist."
>If this is your point, your mastery of the obvious isn't all that
>obvious. For us simple folk, perhaps you could clarify.

Let's see, where was I before I took a powder?  Hmmm.  Language
cannot be sexist . . . ?  No, I guess it can't--in one sense,
anyway.
     This whole thread started when Carol once upon a time
flamed about sexism being "embedded" in the (English) language.
I only got out there on the edge--it seems--with the proposition
that it is not *in* the language--as proved by the fact that the
generic he/him raises none of my hackles--seems to me to include
everybody--but raises the hackles of a whole bunch of other folk-
-but not all by any means.  So the argument is *political* and
not linguistic.
     This is only important because it means that it is people
you have to change, and not (necessarily) the language.  *I* see
nothing discriminatory in "all men are created equal* simply
because my knowledge of the language says in this context "men"
means "everybody" and, in fact, has nothing to do with men as
opposed to women.  If there is an irony in it, for me it is
*historical*.
     If you or anyone else want to bring the history to
life, it's a political choice.  I guess if enough people see/feel
the irony, the usage may well pass away.  Anyone who wants to
spend the time and energy assisting in the (political) process is
certainly free to do so.  Far be it from me to say that the
generic use of he/him is a less 'real' form of discrimination
than the fact that women are paid seventy cents an hour for the
same work that a man does.

"Ninotchka, Ninotchka . . ."
"Darlink, you repeat yourself."

-Mka
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:16:20 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: rapture schedule
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>for those who haven't already heard, THE Rapture, not just any old rapture,

Guess some of us will be getting ready to chack out those IN.THE.SKY nodes
 Natalie
keeps sending from.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 07:45:56 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Baby!!!
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>   Is this the
> first baby born to a wordsler while they've been subscribed to the list?

Rod Kessler.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:23:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Republican convention

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>What, me agree with --abh? Yikes.

See, that was easy, wasn't it? Worship the Pig. Ausbrook does it, and he loves
it.

-abh
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, my major deity is the Egyptian Mau.  Settle for a lesser deity
status?

JAG
^bwp
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:08:46 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Weird
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              92 7:44 pm

> I just discovered that I can have Procomm Plus opened twice and be
> online in the same login but in two different PCPlus applications.

	DataStorm, which puts out Procomm Plus, was in the booth next
to EFF's at ONE BBScon.  The won one of the Dvorak/Zoom awards, also.
We had a lot in common.. Anyways, they were very nice and took us out
to dinner at the Rocky Mountain Cafe.  Oh, their award was for
"working with windows."  I thought that was hysterical (sez the Mac
user who tried to convince them to write a similar package for the
Mac).

Rita
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:03:23 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Old machines

On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:30:00 EST Entropy Warrior said:
>>Ruth, honey chile, I was typing on electric keyboards before you were born!
>
>Do did you also have an IBM typewriter with a gasoline engine?

Hah!  The one I am restoring is steam powered.

Tony H.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:14:42 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The sole of a new machine
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> >The arrow keys work fine on vi.
> But nothing else does.:-)  You can still keep it.  Actually, the version my

What doesn't work?  I haven't found anything about vi that doesn't work --
except when I had turbo turned off and found that almost nothing online at
19200 without turbo worked very well.  Even then vi sort of worked -- it
just acted strange.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: jthomas@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: gonadological oppression
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:00:22 GMT


Karen writes:

>Good question, Jim.  Why do schools prefer to hire native speakers
>of foreign languages?  It's same thing, really.  Like I said,
>WMSTD-L hashed this out all last year.

Karen, if memory serves, we did go through something like this about
a year ago. (Or, perhaps it was on another list where a few words-l types
hung out). This has also bothered me. Part of the answer may or may not
be because of the applicant pool, but I suspect you are implying (and
I would strongly agree) that, despite lip service, too many of our
colleagues are influenced by ethnocentrism. Probably most of us who've
sat in personnel/hiring committees have horror stories in which we feel
that injustice was done.

I think we keep hashing this stuff out on words-l and elsewhere
because the problems re-occur, and we're back into the fray when it
does. New insights, new ways to pose the problem, new arguments against
and for more egalitarian hiring or a more pluralistic faculty keep
popping up, and re-hashes are one way to sort through them. But, things
do slowly change....

Jim (struggle's as long as history--which is hard to say with
     a straight face) Thomas
     
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: The sole of a new machine
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:53:46 GMT


Ruth, I sent an email to you using the 'reply' function that always worked
before, but I got a notice that the mysterious whatevers had been trying to
deliver it for three days without success, and would try for 256 more (no
action from me was requested).  

What gives?

--bayla
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WORDS-L is going to the cats...it should be going to us dogs!


        /\_____/\
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        {''o o''}   Muffy, motorhome driver par excellence ...and I
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                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:22:57 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Molest
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I'm watching our wonderful local news, and they just had a short
piece on Ways to Tell if Your Child is the Victim of a Molest.

A molest?  Molest killing...molestic killing...

Seriously, has anyone heard this usage before?  (The reporter is
a former student, that's why I was watching.)

Sleepy Karen
Wapello County Fair runs through this weekend if you're interested.
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