HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kogoma@vesta.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Reorganizing the 'Welcome to alt.fan.pern' periodic posting
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:38:01 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

As the current incarnation of the 'Welcome to alt.fan.pern' posting is
now in excess of 400 lines, I will be splitting the post into multiple
parts.  While I'm at it, I thought it would probably be a good idea to
address some of the FAQs that come up here.

Current topics under consideration for inclusion:

"Does firestone render Queen dragons infertile?"
[I believe general consensus was that this is a myth, which arose from
   the fact that no queen has ever chewed stone, and that no weyrwoman
   in her right mind would be willing to experiment.  I'd appreciate
   page references from _Dragonsdawn_ and _Dragonflight_ to help with
   this.  (Yes, I'm shamelessly using you all to help me research.
   Worry not, I'll give credit where due. ;-)]

"What happens to the riders of mating dragons?"
[I still have a copy of Anne McCaffrey's letter from the PHIL wars to
   answer this one.]

"What color was Lytol's dragon?/Why did Kylara name her son "T'kil"?/Why
do all dragon names end in -th?"
[Short answers, recently posted here. ;-)]


Anything else?

[BTW, this planned revision will most likely not be complete until the
new year, so the scheduled December 15th posting will be the old
intro file.]

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  kogoma@vesta.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Query: Weyrleaders and mating flights
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:55:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


According to the Dragonlover's Guide to Pern, the Weyrleaders' chairs are
not decorated in any permanent fashion because the men who use them change so
often... whereas the Weyrwoman's chair decorations are of a longer-lasting
nature. I took this to mean the leadership is redecided every time.

-- 
Currently on cold medication;  | It matters not how strait the gate
please excuse if this sounds   | How charged with punishments the scroll
just a wee bit pompous.        | I am the master of my fate
-jmm25@po.cwru.edu	       | I am the captain of my soul.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: mtanen@seas.gwu.edu (Michael J. Tanenhaus)
Subject: Telnet PernMush
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:22:29 GMT

anyone know The Telnet for this??
From: curlie!thierry (Thierry Lach)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:59:00 EST
Reply-To: curlie!thierry (Thierry Lach)
Organization: None at all

scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:

> Math - a very calculating dragon. 
> 
> 
> did u ever have the feeling that this thread (heheh) will never die.
> 
> ---
> Steve C. 
> 
Not even when flamed by the dragon...      death?

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)


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Thierry Lach                                curlie!thierry@sycom.mi.org
#include "std.disclaimer"
"Sufficiently superior technology is indistingushable from magic"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:28:11 GMT

scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:



>thanx i couldnt remember the spelling. wasnt sure if it was y or i.
>but sure Sith is good. 

Scyth - Grim Reaperdragon.? :)

Eccles

>   	


Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Pern song???
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:43:13 GMT

Has anyone ever heard the song Learning to Fly by Pink Floyd???  It has
come to my attention again recently.  I always wondered if it wasn't 
inspired by Anne McCaffery.  To quote the first verse:

"Into the distance, a ribbon of black
Stretched to the point of no turning back
A flight of fancy on a wind swept field
Standing alone with my senses reeled
A fatal attraction is holding me fast, how
Can I escape this irresistable grasp 
Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I"

If it isn't, it would make a great weyrling song.

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:04:27 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: Firelizards don't die of old age.

jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
>	We're told repeatedly that young dragons must be regularly oiled or
>their hide will crack and get patchy and they'll die *between* and once we
>get into DQ and *especially* in the Harper Hall trilogy, we're told the same
>of firelizards.
>	But there are thousands of wild firelizards.
>	Who the hell oils *them*?

Good question... but you're assuming that lots of firelizards don't die
*between*.  In (fictional) fact, they probably do.  Back in DragonsDawn,
it was mentioned that the metabolizm of both firelizards ("dragonettes")
and even dragons is such that they will not die of old age.

So think...  There's lots of firelizards born on every warm beach on Pern
for millenia, but none of them die of old age.  Some die before hatching,
some shortly after.  Some die fighting thread (a natural instinct).  Some
will have accidents, but that leaves all the rest of them to die of some
other cause... and perhaps this lack of oiling answers for that.

Note that this gives added significance to the references made in AtWoP,
when one realizes that the firelizards projecting <<OUR humans are back>>
were probably the very same ones once impressed by the original colonists!
*THAT's* how they remembered the scenes of volcanic destruction... they
were the very ones that had actually *been* there and *seen* it.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
From: schwarte@CS.ColoState.EDU (eric schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Another Dragon name...
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:24:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department
Originator: schwarte@CS.ColoState.EDU



Broth- the SoupDragon.

-Eric the Read.
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From: David.Berriman@anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re: PernMUSH: 'Twas the Night Before Christmas...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:53:26 GMT
Organization: The Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.56.5.37

In article <92348.180640JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> Jean Prior <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>'Twas the Night Before Christmas -- PernMUSH style!
>                    by Varoni
>
<poem deleted>

Bravo!

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Cyalodin
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: Pern/FSP and dragon names 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:01:02 +0000

In article <1992Dec11.172250.15861@mail.cornell.edu> evs1@cornell.edu writes:

>hmmmm... where did FSP and Pern get linked?  I must admit i have not read
>all of the fsp books, but i have read all of Pern, and i cant remember a
>reference to the fsp anywhere...

It might not have been the FSP by name, possibly the EEC (the
exploratory arm of the FSP).

In Rescue Run?  I don't have a copy, so I can't check...  Also, in one
of the other FSP books it mentions (not by name) a planet that was
interdicted due to invading organisms (or something like that - I'll
have to check, it seemed quite an obvious reference at the time).

Anyway, the original implication was that she wasn't going to tie it
into an SF situation at all, apart from the prologue 'scene setting'.
But then she wrote DragonsDawn...

>On another question:  does anyone have a theory or evidence as to why
>dragon names all end in "-th"...?

The 'official' answer - "Dragonth lithp" <g>...

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: MUSH: Re: Weyrleaders, etc.
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.194035.18770@microsoft.com> 
annako@microsoft.com (Anna Korra'ti) writes:
>     :briefly contemplates the chaos that would result on the PernMUSH if
>every gold flight actually DID determine the Weyrleadership, and all of the

Every *Senior* gold flight does...

-Doriana

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:26:31 GMT

Math - a very calculating dragon. 


did u ever have the feeling that this thread (heheh) will never die.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: honorifics, MU*s, bronze/gold pairings
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:54:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: globie.caltech.edu

In article <39770@hoptoad.uucp> ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz) writes:
>In article <724156586snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>>  In fannish Weyrs (including the MU*s) it seems to be generally the rule
>>  that female riders can choose whether to contract their names on
>>  Impression.
>I know some MU*s allow this (I believe Dragonsfire is one).  I do know
>that both PernMUSH and SouCon take Anne's example of Mirrim and give
>honorifics only to men.

Not everyone agrees with this interpretation, mind you.  When I tried
to give the option to the female riders at Igen Weyr, I was told that
it wasn't a matter of internal weyr policy, as to what my riders would
be called; it was a matter of MUSH policy, and that I'd be grossly
violating theme and would have the wrath of the wizzes upon me.

Obviously, social change is not a valid subject for roleplay on a MUSH?

>While I'm at it, let me bring up what seems like another hot MU* topic
>lately.  I can't go to a Hatching any more without hearing people
>muttering in the stands about how unfair it is that bronzes only Impress
>to men and golds only to women.

>To me, it seems blatantly anti-genre, given Kitti Ping and everything we
>learn in Dragonsdawn, to abandon this rule, but would anyone care to
>argue otherwise?  (And not from "you already have women Impressing
>browns and blues regularly", because that's a slippery-slope argument
>that simply doesn't move me.)

Well, then, not even using it to justify golds for males and bronzes for
females, what reason -do- you claim for letting females impress browns
and blues, as is regularly done on PernMUSH?

I see absolutely no textual support for this practice.  There is one
(1) example of a female impressing a _green_ dragon.  We -never- see
a female impressing a brown or blue.

Be careful in your arguments; it's likely that the same things you say
on this subject could be used to justify female/bronze or male/gold
pairings.

>				AMBAR


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:44:34 EST
From: Jean Prior <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: PernMUSH: 'Twas the Night Before Christmas...

In article <Bz9FG8.9CM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Dartanyan the Witchling) says:

>um...  the last gun was a form of rock-disintegrator, the last of which
>probably got buried somewhere in the way-way-way-back crevices of Fort.

>:)

>--
>dart
>aka Miranda on PernMUSH
>aka Jatel on DragonsDawn
>et al.

Chalk it up to poetic license. :P :)
Varoni
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde)
Subject: Re: Thread parasites (spoiler potential)
Organization: Reliability Engineering Section, JPL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:54:17 GMT
Expires: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:00:00 GMT

>I caught this too when I was reading All the Weyrs of Pern - I don't have
>the exact references since my copy's out on loan. But towards the end
>there was some imagery of the red star constantly sowing death into the
>Oort cloud - and turning into the reverse of the original red star.

Yes, but my question is why _*didn't*_ it continue to sow death into the 
Oort Cloud? The zebedees were planted, killing enough of the thread organisms
off to result in Long Intervals (according to AIVAS). The Long Intervals did
not continue, so what happened to lessen the effect of the zebedees?

-grl.
-----
From: vvsvdoc@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHAEL SEESE)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Who is older
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:17:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Moore, by about 3 years, I believe.
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University


>Conclusion: Besides, we know the real Blofeld is still alive because he was in
>"Never Say Never Again" and he didn't die, so he is therefore still free to once
>again terrorize the world. Q.E.D.
>
Nope, Never Say Never Again is not part of the series. 
It's legitimately a Bond film, but it doesn't fall in with the other movies.
Same goes for both Casino Royales (especially not either CRs)

philip
Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: the thread about Bond women...
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:19:24 GMT

>In article <101713@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
>>I just thought I'd have to interject a comment into this thread.  The
>>movie bond women are justifiably called babes.  They are frequently
>>nothing more than sex toys.
>>In truth (canon as defined by I. Fleming), Bond women were very strong
>>capable characters who were quite able to take care of themselves.
>	I tend to agree.  Alas, we're apparently outnumbered by college
>freshman who have apparently never even *seen* the Fleming originals, much
>less read them.  At least that's my impression from the posts here, 95% of
>which seem blissfully unaware of anything but the films.

Well, by the time I was a college freshman (last year) I had read every single
official Bond novel to date (Fleming, Amis, Gardner) about ten times. I haven't
read them since last September, but now that I'm part of this newsgroup I have
some fun reading to do this Christmas. BTW, as a present for working in setting
up a new library near where I live, the director of the library system (Martins
Ferry Public Library and affiliated libraries) gave me a first edition 
hardcover of You Only Live Twice. Unfortunately no picture sleeve, but I felt
good.
>>>
>>Personally, I like the true Bond women.
>>	Same here.  I think it's a difference in the audience being
>addressed.  Fleming's novels (and the first few films) were apparently
>aimed at an adult audience.  The films since then have pretty obviously
>been aimed at the adolescent market and reflect an adolescent's view of
>sexuality and women in general.
>
Agreed. But the movies have attempted to keep that. Domino, Tatiana Romanova,
Tilly, Honey Ryder, Melina (Judy in the book) Havelock, all stayed independent.
Mary Goodnight turned out to be a total loser in both series I think. Loelia
Ponsonby seemed to be a much more respectable secretary for the 00s. She
wouldn't forget which button on her shirt was poisoned if she were ever
captured by enemy spies. 

philip
Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
From: ron@muppet.bt.co.uk (Ronny Lobo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:40:58 GMT
Reply-To: ron@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom
NNTP-Posting-Host: amsterdam.muppet.bt.co.uk


Best movies:  The last two were superb (Yes I have seen them all, and in roughly
              the order in which they were released.)  {:)
              Licence to Kill is my favourite.
              The Spy Who Loved Me was a previous favourite.
              Several of the Sean Connery ones were also much loved at the time
              eg Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever.

The worst:    Hmmm, not easy.  I enjoyed all of them while watching them.
              But in retrospect,  Moonraker and A View to a Kill
              were a bit weak.


---
ronny lobo
tel:   0473 649625
fax:   0473 611588
email: ron@cyclone.bt.co.uk
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:43:56 -0500 
From: Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: The Contest Results!

Well, I apologize for any delays in the processing, but here are the
results for the James Bond Babe-a-thon.  

Because some didn't receive the nomination post I have taken their
nominations and posted them anyway.  Some refrences are not
necessarily focused toward a movie's main babe, instead focusing on
one of the more active extras.  Hope you enjoy this little survey!
Here is is:

THE OFFICIAL BOND CONTEST RESULTS

 First Place:  Maryam D'Abo, The Living Daylights
Second Place:  Carole Bouquet, For Your Eyes Only
 Third Place:  Maud Adams, Octopussy

Tied for 4th:  Barbara Bach, The Spy Who Loved Me
	       Diana Rigg, On Her Majesty's Secret Service

--------------------
THE VOTES:
--------------------
Barbara Bach   : 8
Diana Rigg     : 8
Carole Bouquet :12
Maryam D'Abo   :17
Carey Lowell   : 6
Ursula Andress : 4
Maud Adams     :11
Tayna Roberts  : 5
Claudine Auger : 3
Jane Seymour   : 6
Talisa Soto    : 4
Daniela Bianchi: 3
Lois Maxwell   : 1
Helicopter Pilot in Moonraker:				1 vote
Bond's Assistant in Thunderball who takes cyanide pill:	1 vote

 		-------------
Total Votes:    90 / 6 (votes/person) = 15 people


---Who Voted---

 1. dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
 2. Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu)
 3. Buffy <TDL001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
 4. obiwan@daimi.aau.dk
 5. "Derrick C. Cole" <cole@concert.net>
 6. KUVAMP@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
 7. patcla@liblab.lib.usu.edu (Patrick Clark)
 8. root@mumbles.isc-br.com (Martyn Hughes)
 9. mark mchugh <mmchugh@clam.rutgers.edu>
10. Gary Thomas <garyt@hpdmlfn.boi.hp.com>
11. dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (douglas brod)
12. moeding@informatik.uni-kl.de
13. Tommy Che Vorst <tvorst@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
14. Chris Tretz <tiger@vlsi.columbia.edu>
15. VVSVDOC@LIMS02.LERC.NASA.GOV

---------------------
I hope these results provide a little insight to our favorite pick for
Bond's female company.  At any rate, if anyone would like a run-off
for the top 5, well, er..wait till '93.  I will probably be in a
better frame of mind then.  Congrats to the contestants and I wish all
a great holiday season.  Get some rest.

	-Chad

Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:33:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.220636.5232@news.columbia.edu>, pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
|> 
|> >Conclusion: Besides, we know the real Blofeld is still alive because he was in
|> >"Never Say Never Again" and he didn't die, so he is therefore still free to once
|> >again terrorize the world. Q.E.D.
|> >
|> Nope, Never Say Never Again is not part of the series. 
|> It's legitimately a Bond film, but it doesn't fall in with the other movies.
|> 

What do you mean it's not part of the series. It is a movie-version of the book
"Thunderball," by Ian Fleming. If he isn't canon then *nobody* is. It has Sean
Connery, the original Bond. What else can you want? Oh, you must mean it
wasn't produced by Albert Broccoli, that movie genius who brought Bond to new
highs in "Live and Let Die" and "Moonraker." 

Anthony