HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Godflesh vs Swans
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:36:36 GMT

etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se (Marten.Sahlen) writes:

>In the midst of their appearance, while being lost in an atonal maelstom and
>had my head banged in a wall of sound from hell, it felt like a deja-vu
>experience; I knew I had heard this before.
>And yes, it was reminiscent of a night back in '84 when I went to a concert
>with the early Swans. Here I could find the same nihilistic attitude towards
>the music, the same fragmentary lyrics, the fury, the despair...
>Later on I went home, quite staggered, wondering if someone else have seen the
>parallels. Well, has anyone, or am I mistaken?

Well, actually....

Yeah, you're right.  When I first bought _Streetcleaner_, I described their
sound to friends as "a tighter version of Swans".  Direct comparisons can
be drawn to _Filth_.

I've asked this before, but I keep forgetting:  what Swans albums are
available on CD besides _Filth_?  I'm interested in the noisy stuff, not
the mellow stuff they've been doing recently.
-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
As you're cleaning the orange carpet, you will hear a voice that says, "Fetch 
my cigarettes."  Another voice will say, "THEY'RE ON TOP OF THE REFRIGERATOR."
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Ebb = Industrial?
X-To: ALL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:08:00 GMT

From: klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark Bishop)
>
>Nitzer Ebb was one of the first bands that I remember to be called
>"industrial."

I feel very sorry for you.

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From: dippybir@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Jeremy Tolsma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:30:37 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

>   I'm sorry, but I don't think you are correct. I am a HUGE Depeche Mode fan,
> and have a rather large collection of their stuff. However, I read RMI to get
> information about INDUSTRIAL bands. I read either RMM or alt.alternative to
> get my information about DM. I'm not trying to start another thread about who
> is or isn't industrial, but I don't think that DM really belongs in this news
> group. Sure I have to wade through alot of crap on the other two groups to ge
> info I want, but at least it's where it belongs and I can find it.
> -Daniel
> 
> 
> 
 
OK well the only question I have to that is:  What makes DM belong somewhere 
else instead of here?  Hmm well OK I am not much of a Depeche Mode fan, I 
guess the HUGE FANS like you are more of the Felix Unger type who want 
everything nice & tidy.
From: pooh@gacvx1.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: NIN, Minestry and Meat Beat
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:03:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx1.1992Apr7.190351.1
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
Nntp-Posting-User: pooh

Sorry to bother, but I was wondering if anyone
had heard anything about Trent Reznor's next project?
The last I heard was from an interview in SPIN magazine.
All that the interview said was that he was having problems
with TVT.  I'd really be interested to find out...

Also, if anyone would happen to have the lyrics to ANY
Ministry or Meat Beat Manifesto album, I'd love to
have 'em.

Thanks much...

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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: xorcist
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:02:10 GMT

moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:

>You seemed to be able to reach me last time with no problem, but here
>are the addresses once again... try them regardless as The Well went down
>for a bit and that may of been the probem in the first place.

>moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us

This doesn't work.  It bounced back to me with "well" telling me that there
was no such user.

I'm interested in ordering your CD.  How much is it, and where do I send the
cash to?  Please include s&h cost.
-- 
     James Brown, Mark Hosler, Al Jourgenson.  Coincidence or conspiracy?

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown  pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com  ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
From: ryans@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Newcomer seeks a little help...
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:23:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: yang.1992Apr15.172315.16990
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Apr8.070436.9939@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, tigrover@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Corwyn J. Alambar) writes:
> 
>      I'm a recent "convert" to industrial music, and I've been looking around
> at all the groups out there, and am, to be blunt, quite lost.  So I'm 
> basically asking for a couple things from everyone out there: A list of how
> industrial is divided into subgroups, basic descriptions of these groups, and
> what would be good for a beginner to listen to.
> 
>      Thanks ahead of time...
> 
> -Tom/Corey Alambar  (The Tiger That Stalks The Nets)
> 
> CJ Alambar is: tigrover@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
> 
> 'Blessed are those that come in the name of the Lord' -(? from rec.humor.funny)

Some bands you may want to look into:
Throbbing Gristle, Non, SPK, Eisurzende Neubauten and Test Department.
all are fairly early as far as industrial goes, but very interesting....
From: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: FLA "Mindphaser" video
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:21:16 GMT
Reply-To: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: d89-sme@sort.nada.kth.se

I just laid my hands on the new FLA "Mindphaser" video and it totally
blew my mind. Does anybody know where the footage was taken from?
Can't die without seeing that movie...

/Staffan

-- 
 d89-sme@nada.kth.se |                                               |
   Staffan Melin     |               M E A T    K I L L S            |
      Sweden         |                                               |
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From: catesc@aix.rpi.edu (Christopher Allen Cates)
Subject: Godflesh lyrics
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:17:32 GMT

Well, I just got _Slavestate_ by Godflesh and would REALLY like to see a
copy of the lyrics.  So, if there's anybody out there with a copy, I'd
really appreciate it if you could e-mail 'em to me...

Thanks,
Chris
catesc@rpi.edu


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From: iew21308@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ian E. Wickram)
Subject: Re: Alien Sex Fiend
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:25:17 GMT

pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...) writes:

>Alien Sex Fiend will be at the Limelight in NYC on Tuesday, May 19th...

>-- 
From Ian:
I heard may 29th will the fiendz will crawl to the Cabaret Metro in Chicago.
From: mw@pegasus.sybase.com (Michael Wertheim)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: bootleg NIN/1000 Homo DJs CDs
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:56:49 GMT



From the wonderful people who brought you the bootleg of the JAMs CD....


	The Nine Inch Nails / 1000 Homo DJs bootleg CD single


Track #1: "Suck" by Nine Inch Nails.  This is NIN's dancy version of the
	  Pigface song.

Track #2: "Supernaut" by 1000 Homo DJs.  This is the super-rare version
	  with Trent Reznor on vocals.


Cost: $9 in the US or Canada.  $11 anywhere else.  Prices include shipping.

To order: Send a check to Mike Wertheim, 2030 Fell Street, Apt 12A, San
	  Francisco, CA  94117.

If you order 3 or more copies, feel free to knock 10% off the price (because
shipping a lot of things together is cheaper than shipping single items).

I will be making two orders for this CD.  The first one will be made on
Saturday April 25th, and the second will be made on Saturday May 2nd.
If I receive your check by the 24th, you will be part of my first order
and will definitely get the CD.  If you wait until the May 2nd order,
there is a chance that they might run out of CDs, in which case I'll
send your money back.
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Nine Inch Nails : - Does anyone care.?
Keywords: NIN
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:39:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr16.004233.27345@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....) writes:
>
>>Talking Nitty Gritty. NIN=INXS... Get real. Where have you been.
>>If NIN aren't industrial who is. Skinny Puppy... Sorry I forgot :-)
>
>As an experiment, try tracking down some of the bands that folks like Greg
>mention around here, like Throbbing Gristle, Einstuerzende Neubaten,
>Negativland, and early Controlled Bleeding, and I think you'll see why NIN
>gets compared to INXS and Depeche Mode so often.
...
>I'm not saying give up NIN, I'm saying "Know your roots", so to speak.

        One should take this a step further and explore the predecessors of the
"industrial culture," e.g. 20th-century classical music, computer music
(especially in the 1950s-1960s), early 20th-century electronic music (e.g.
musique concrete), the punk rock/new wave pop movement of the mid 1970s-early
1980s, and some 1970s political and theatre movements.

        One may find that, compared to some of the 20th-century
electronic/computer repitoire, at least in purely sonic terms (i.e.
political/social commentaries aside), a song consisting of Genesis P-Orridge
yell through a simple array of stomp-boxes/gated VCAs/home-brew circuits
against a background of unimaginative synthesizer sounds which, for all their
aspirations to "redefine music" (or whatever they write in the liner notes of
Chris and Cosey albums these days), still fail to venture beyond the
12-note-per-octave, equal-tempered scale, sounds pretty silly.  Along the same
vein, Peter Christopherson's claim (in the liner notes of _CD1_) that "I was
doing sampling before Fairlights were even invented" is not so astounding when
one considers that the drum sounds on Steely Dan's hit song "Hey Nineteen" were
also produced by a home-brew sampling computer.

        Those who think that Mark Pauline is on to something new would do well
to read a recent _Computer_Music_Journal_ interview with John Pierce (he
appears on the cover of the issue).  Among other things, talks about an
SRL-like self-destructive-robot show which predated SRL by at least twenty
years.

        To paraphrase David Vessell, I am not trying to say that the industrial
culture is not worth paying attention to, but it's a good idea to become
familiar with the cultural/musical/etc. precedents which, knowingly or not,
contributed to what RE/search and others called the "Industrial Culture," so
that its achievements, like those of, say, Nine Inch Nails, can be correctly
identified and put into proper perspective.

davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 13:42:09 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Big Black
 <1992Apr2.174146.8700@zooid.guild.org>
 <1992Apr6.173347.11817@tellab5.tellabs.com>

In article <1992Apr6.173347.11817@tellab5.tellabs.com>, pauls@tellabs.com (Paul
Silver) says:

>Some people have been discussing Steve Albini's new project, and
>whether or not it is Murder, Inc.

>I don't know the name they're using, but Albini IS working on a new
>project, with the old bassist from Naked Raygun (the one with a
>Hispanic name, which I have forgotten, from years ago).

Damn,this is getting embarrassing...seeing as I was one of the poor mopes who
said that Murder,Inc. was Steve's new band,lemme state that (1) he's merely
producing 'em and (2) he's starting up another band with the aforementioned
'Gunner (the name is mentioned in some 'zine-either _Puncture_ or _Alternative_
_Press_,I think),but it definitely isn't Murder,Inc.,as other posts have
borne out.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: djm@progress.COM (Dave McMahon)
Subject: Re: Spanish Industrial bands
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:09:00 GMT

jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb) writes:


>Does anyone know of any Spanish language industrial bands?

>Please post or email a response :)

On the "Kaos theory" comp on Telstar records ($18.99):

15) Asi Mi Gusto A Mi - Chimo Bayo

It's a really cool heavy bass'y industrial/techno dance song.
IMHO, it would be better if he didn't sing on it.

Hope this helps.

dave.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Chris "Dread" Mann)
Subject: Re: FLA "Mindphaser" video
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:20:35 GMT

d89-sme@nada.kth.se  writes:
> I just laid my hands on the new FLA "Mindphaser" video and it totally
> blew my mind. Does anybody know where the footage was taken from?
> Can't die without seeing that movie...
> 
> /Staffan
> 
> -- 
>  d89-sme@nada.kth.se |                                               |
>    Staffan Melin     |               M E A T    K I L L S            |
>       Sweden         |                                               |

I think that I read in a press release for the single that the video
looked like something from a Sci-Fi movie, but was actually just a video
with no connection to any movie.  They said it was supposed to be mind
blowing.  Sounds like it was.  Too bad I don't have a T.V.
				Chris
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN EP: 'Now I'm Nothing'?
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr10.005143.26260@news.media.mit.edu> mbl@media.mit.edu (Marc LoCascio) writes:
> In article <5571@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx>, al162423@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Raul Beristain) writes:
> > cspot@cats.ucsc.edu (Chris.Hilker) writes:
> > 
> > >I'm not sure this actually exists, but an acquaintance of mine
> > >has been looking for (supposedly) the first release by Nine
> > >Inch Nails, an EP called 'Now I'm Nothing' which was claimed
> > >to have been released before 'Pretty Hate Machine.' Can anyone
> > >give me any infotainment on this? Does it exist? 
> > 
> > BTW, the only album from this dude i've been able to find is this "pretty hate
> > machine". I'm not sure if it's his only one. Cn you post some information
> > about him? 
> 
> according to an interview in Musician mag last year, the songs on PHM were
> the first and only songs that Trent had ever written.  he spent a few years 
> working on them, devising the NIN persona (i.e. pop-industrial), recording
> them (he was a studio engineer/programmer at the time), etc.  i don't know
> whether he's actually written any more songs after those 10 either.

The Noteworthy Catalog lists two additional discs - CD5's which include
remixes and may or may not include additional tracks not on the album,
beyond what's mentioned.

Head Like a Hole - X5 TVT2615
Sin [3 mixes] + Get Down Make Love - X5 TVT2617

PLEASE NOTE that that the first of these was marked in last quarter's
catalog as "Temporarily not Available", I haven't seen the lastest.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: SEVERED HEADS BREAKUP? OUCH!
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> I went to the show and enjoyed it a lot.  Tom seemed to be in a very
> irritable mood though.

It has to be said that that sounds pretty standard for Tom. He seems to
definitely grudge playing live. Were there any obvious technical problems
this time? That usually seems to get him annoyed. There were a *lot* of
problems at the last Sydney gig, like the sound going mono halfway through
his set, stuff like that.

> I really like Severed Heads' work, but I wouldn't mind if Tom made a 
> break for it and started production under a new name.

He plans to. Or at least he planned to. The first Coklacoma album should
have appeared later this year. Whether it'll appear now though, I don't
know.

> Perhaps Ellard is feeling hemmed in by commercial demands that seem to be
> made on 'Severed Heads'.  In a radio interview late last year he seemed to
> say that Cuisine was the result of commercial pressure, but Piscatorial
> was purely what he wants to do.

True. Not commercial pressure in the "make pop music Ellard, or we drop you
from the label sense" as much as putting out what sells best, though.

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
       "Breakdown. Splinter. A thousand fragments disperse and die."
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy..THE MUSIC
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Organization: Sun Microsystems - JPL on-site Software Support
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.191112.17141@wam.umd.edu> cyberpun writes:
>I was wondering if any of have noticed some wierd things about the music.
>I forget the song names...not that familiar with the disk yet, plus the
>screwy tracks don't help...but they seem to be using old samples.  I would
>think that puppy would always try to keep their sounds fresh.  There are two
>instances I can think of.  (correct me if I'm wrong)
>There is one instance where they use this chorus sound from one of the last  
>tracks on Rabies.  (It's the song (the one with the original sample on  
>rabies) after the one with the samples from the vampire movie...)
>and then there is this bass riff that I really can't recall where it's from.

I guess it isn't obvious to everyone, but I thought that it was.

"Riverzend" on "Last Rights" was made by combining "Rivers" and "Choralone"
(on "Rabies") together (with some removed in the process) with new material.
That's why it sounds familiar to you, and that's why the Clockwork Orange
samples sound missing to another poster.

>Someone said that it wasn't produced on vinyl, but our radio station has a  
>promo of Last Rights on vinyl...

Yes, the key word is "Promo".  Capitol is producing promo vinyl copies, but
that appears to be it.

I was going to ask Ogre about this last week at one of the record release
parties, but he doesn't appear to have much time for the likes of Jennifer
and myself anymore.  His loss, quite frankly.

-- 
	- Greg Earle			| Disclaimer: I would be just as
	  Sun Los Angeles		| mortified if Sun thought I was
	  JPL on-site Software Support	| speaking for the company as Sun is at
	  earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV	| the thought of me speaking for it.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: otto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chris Otto)
Subject: Re: bigod 20
Keywords: bigod steelworks
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 03:34:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.185733.6072@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> corky@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jeffrey J. Middents) writes:
>hey, does anyone know when the hell is bigod20 releasing their album
>"steelworks"? ever since i saw the album advertised on the reprise
>compilation last year, i have been desperately searching for it. any
>ideas aas to when or what happened to it?
>
>thanks anyway,
>jeff
>--
>--jeffrey j. middents------------------------------------------------
>----corky@coos.dartmouth.edu-----------------------------------------
>------"o bless the freedom that you never chose..."  w.h. auden------
>--------"i'm gonna stay nineteen forever, yes i will..." j. jackson--

One of the band members, the singer, I believe, was in a bus wreck in
Germany or something like that --  Got hurt pretty bad (out for months)
or so I am told by the guy who signed them (to SIRE).  They were already
in the studio recording so SIRE started pushing them -- the singles,
publicity, etc.  But the wreck took them out of the studio.  They were
back in the studio about a month and a half ago, so expect the album 
to be out some time relatively soon.
I am pretty sure that they were on a European label previous to SIRE,
although I don't know for certain.  If so, there must be some other
stuff out there.

hasta,
otto.

PS  ?? tour dates for Machines of Loving Grace / Swans ??









Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Chris "Dread" Mann)
Subject: Re: Ministry lyrics wanted
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:48:04 GMT

steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu  writes:
> i'm -sure- this is a FAQ but i haven't seen an answer anywhere, so....
> 
> where can i ftp lyrics to Ministry's Mind? i'd actually be happy with the
> words to So What? but the whole thing would be cool. are there any listings
> of sample sources for that song?
> 
> "I'll kill them all if i like..."
> jason
> --
>      Democrat: 	Give us your money. We'll solve your problems.
>    Republican: 	Give us your money. We'll pretend your problems don't exist.
>   Libertarian: 	Here's your money. Solve your own shpxvat problems.
>   -- Vote Libertarian '92 -- jason steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu --

try cs.uwp.edu   dir pub/music/lyrics/ministry
I know they have the lyrics for their live album (including So What?) and I
Belive that there are more lyrics on there.
							CHris
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:12:47 GMT

In article <7APR199212013652@zeus.tamu.edu> pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:
>Well Yazzoo were called Yazz over here in the US, no seroiusly, don't ask
                         ^^^^
They were actualyy called YAZ (only one Z) here in the states. Thats's the 
difference between the two bands here in the states (as far as names go). By
the way, What the Hell is this discussion doing in RMI anyway....
-Daniel