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From: kupo@cs.concordia.ca (KUPO francois)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Gold Plaque
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:59:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec


Does anyone know what is written on the gold plaque on the bridge of the
Enterprise from TOS?  You know, the one just under the Red Alert beacon?
Two guesses:  a commissioning plaque (ie, something like "USS Enterprise
NCC-1701 commissioned on stardate blah-blah...") or the "To boldly go..."
speech.  Anyone know for sure?

JFK

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: ISO Deanna Troi figure (Baltimore,MD)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:31:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.213824.26329@mcc.com> bohrer@acme.mcc.com (Bill Bohrer) writes:
>Yeah what IS the deal with this??  NONE of these Deanna Troi figures
>appeared anywhere in Austin Texas, and trust me, I looked everywhere,
>the first day the figures hit the shelves.  I got all the others for
>4.89 at WalMart, people are asking 10+ for the Troi figures.

My local Target store had three Troi figures on the shelves...
I picked up a couple of 'em at $4.99 each.  The serial numbers
were somewhere in the 1300 range, although the one I left was
around 20000.

>
>I say boycott the scalpers and I hope some a**hole is left with a
>closetful of Troi dolls like some ^&$%# Harry Mudd nightmare. 
>

Right.  I don't know why ANYONE would dream of paying more than $5
for one of these things.  That post a while back about someone buying
them for $250 sounded pretty insane to me...

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From: dlileiki@AFIT.AF.MIL
Subject: Re: ST:TNG - Plot flaw or am I missing something?
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:34:55 GMT

Whoops!  Forgive my spelling errors.
From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Gold Plaque
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:04:33 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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>>Does anyone know what is written on the gold plaque on the bridge of the
>>Enterprise from TOS?  You know, the one just under the Red Alert beacon?
>>Two guesses:  a commissioning plaque (ie, something like "USS Enterprise
>>NCC-1701 commissioned on stardate blah-blah...") or the "To boldly go..."
>>speech.  Anyone know for sure?
>
>Right on both counts.  I don't have my tech manual with me, but if my
>memory serves me right it says something like "USS Enterprise, built at the
>(someplace) fields, inaugural flight on stardate 410??.?" followed by a
>listing of the starfleet officers who had a hand in building it (such as
>Adm. Roddenberry, Berman, et al.).  At the bottom, it has the "To boldly
>go" quote.

OK, I have my Tech manual, hope I don't get into trouble for this
(copyrights and all)

---begin---
U.S.S ENTERPRISE
GALAXY CLASS + STARFLEET REGISTRY NCC-1701-D
UTOPIA PLANITIA FLEET YARDS, MARS
FIFTH STARSHIP TO BEAR THE NAME + LAUNCHED STARDATE 40759.5
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS

STARFLEET COMMAND
Adm. Gene Roddenberry
...more names, all "Adm. XXX"

ENGINEERING GROUP
...more names, all "Capt. XXX"

WARP TECHNOLOGIES DEVEOPMENT GROUP
...more names, all "Capt. XXX"

ADVANDED TECHNOLOGIES UNIT
Dr. Rich Sternbach
Dr. Michael Okuda

YARD ENGINEER
...two names, both "Capt. XXX"

"...to boldly go where no one has gone before."

---end---
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Worf in ST6?
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:58:34 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1993Jan2.230619.12806@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Eileen.Heady@dartmouth.edu (Eileen Heady) writes:
>The Klingon who defends Kirk and McCoy in the Undiscovered Country
>looks like (I'm almost sure it was him)  Michael Dorn...is he supposed
>to be a relative of Worf's or did they just use Dorn for the part
>because it was easier to make him up?

The characters name is also Worf.... from what I have heard this Worf is 
our beloved TNG Worf's grandfather
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:12:47 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <a464867@pro-amber.cts.com> keith@pro-amber.cts.com (Robert Davis) writes:
>
>        Does anybody have any knowledge of what happened to the Enterprise
>"B"?  TNG mentions the original, and the "C" model.  The  "A" was
>mothballed at the end of STVI.  So what happened to the "B"?
>
>                                Keith Davis

Nothing has been said about the Enterprise B.... I think purposly so as to
keep their options open for ST7,ST8,ST9, etc.....
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Ships in DS9: Computer Animated or modeled?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:13:48 GMT
Keywords: deep space 9 ds9 DS9 ships animated

In article <C0MtAK.F6w@rahul.net> harlock@rahul.net (Mike Harlock) writes:
>Hello.  A friend of mine commented to me that he thought all the ship movementts
>in DS9 were very jittery, and the images were very jagged with aliasing.
>I did not notice myself, I wasn't looking for that kind of thing when watching
>it for the first time, and haven't had a chance to go back and look at it.
>
>   What I would like to know is weather the ships are computer animated or not.
>Last I heard, *ALL* of the ships in the TNG series and DS9 are all modeled
>and blue-screened.   Can someone with a reliable source tell me?
>I haven't had a chance to go back and watch it again.

Well, when TNG was first created, the SFX company contracted for the work (not
the stock footage from ILM, the later stuff) developed a new blue-screen
process that reduces the time necessary for such a shot, but the final result
tends to look "aliased". It is not however, computer animation. It is done with
models. I don't know for sure if the same thing is done on DSN, but I must
assume that it is.


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From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: DS9: 'Hidden' Faces?
Reply-To: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:29:01 GMT

Watching the video of the opening sequence of DS9, I thought I noticed 
something odd when that first Federation ship takes a hit in the saucer
section. It looks to me as if a human face appears in the saucer section as
it is going up in flames. I recorded DS9 at EP, so my frame rate in slo-mo
isn't the greatest. Did anyone else see something similar, or have my
pattern recognition circuits just gone beserk?

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
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From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,
Subject: Re: enterprise B
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 09:26:45 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

Brad <C31002RY@WUVMD> writes:

> I was just scanning a few entries on this net and came across a question
> about the history of Enterprise B.  No one seems to know any history about
> it.  The STNG Tech Manual shows it to be an Excelsior class ship but gives
> few other details.  However, I remember reading in an earlier STNG Info
> Book (if only I could remember the title) that Enterprise B had a long and
> successful career with the fewest casualties ever reported for a starship
> (an obvious dig at how many red-shirts kept getting killed on Kirk's ship).
> Does anybody else have this book or remember reading this?  I don't think
> I'm hallucinating.

That comes from FASA's ST:TNG Officers Manual and is complete nonsense.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
From: salmeniu@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Jaakko J Salmenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TNG-episodes no longer in ZDF (german TV)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:41:38 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: salmeniu@niksula.hut.fi (Jaakko J Salmenius)
NNTP-Posting-Host: robocop.cs.hut.fi

Exactly same happened in Finland just before Christmas. Finnish TV 3
desided to cancel ST:TGN just after BoBW part II (begining of season 4).

All thwe Finnish fans started a heavy suvirval campaing. Thousands of
letters, psotcards, name list, etc. At first TV 3 said that they are not 
going to continue Start Trek but now thei are finally giving us some
other thoughts. Yeasterday a guy from TV 3 said that it higly likely
that Star Trek will return to TV 3 in the beginning of June.

So all you German Star Trek fans: Don't give up. Send postcard, mail and
so on. It works.

	Jaakko

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salmeniu@niksula.hut.fi	| The believable ski heroes, at least in my opinion,
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: What will they call the TNG movie?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:22:08 GMT


Something I've been thinking about for a while:  What are they
going to call the Star Trek: The Next Generation motion picture,
whenever they make it? 

After all, STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION -- THE MOTION PICTURE
probably would not fit on most marquees, to say nothing of movie
posters.  Will they call it something like STAR TREK VIII: The
Next Generation?  What do you think?

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From: an92@anon.penet.fi
Subject: `Cheers Woman
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:42:48 GMT

	Over Christmas I posted a question about the woman from "Cheers" and
Lt. Saavik (although I did spell it wrong :( ).  I received numerous responses.
My friend who originally noticed the similarity has compiled the variations
on spelling and stuff.

======================================================================

	Ok, I have compiled the list of 'Cheers Woman spellings; I have put
the correct spelling at the top of each list, followed by the permiutations
and combinations of same (in fact, in the case of Kirstie Alley, it's almost 
like one of those probability questions: "How many differents combinations
of the name are possible?").  I have also included a couple of amusing
typos which appeared.  Anyway, without further ado...

Kirstie Alley
Kirstie Allie
Kirsti Alley
Kirsty Alley
Kirstey Allie 
Kristie Allie
Kriste Alley

Saavik
Saavick
Savick
Savvik
Savik

Other Amusements:

the first movie (Wrath og Kahn)
The Cheere woman

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:05:43 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan7.222342.21272@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello) writes:
>	I think a little Space Rangers talk is fine on r.a.s.misc. It is 
>just as valid as the B5 talk that spills over here. Just long as it doesn't 
>get out of hand, as it hasn't yet.

Babylon 5 talk doesn't belong here, either.  And I think that it HAS gotten
out of hand, as someone has already proposed created a rec.arts.startrek.b5
newsgroup (!!).

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Childbirth is NOT a miracle.  Life is NOT sacred.  When you have twenty
 thousand nomads huddled between two rivers in the Middle East and that's it
 for Homo sapiens, when one in five children is a live birth, one in ten
 living past the age of ten, THEN childbirth IS a miracle and life IS sacred.
 When the average age of a grandmother in Philadelphia's housing projects is
 twenty-five, to call childbirth a miracle is at least a tasteless joke and at
 worst a true obscenity."
				- Dave Sim, from Cerebus #142
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:28:57 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan6.134600.12682@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>In article <1id0qrINNoa1@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.212745.4402@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>>	I wouldn't. There's a thing called intent.
>	Intent?

	Yup. In order to be a crime, there has to be intent.

  Do you mean that if the person having programmed the
>Holodeck forced a sexual encounter on an unwilling person by mistake
>in the Holodeck because the program was designed to produce a willing
>simulacrum, then that would not be wrong?? 

	It would be a Bad Thing, but the fault is not on the individual
doing the aggression.

>	If I was to push a the example a little further, if someone
>has been fantasizing about having sex with a co-worker and forces the
>latter into a sexual encounter without consent, but doesn't think of
>it as rape then it isn't??  

	This is not pushing the analogy; this is creating a new situation.

	A better analogy is to posit twins. A third person has a liason with
twin A, setting a rape fantasy. Twin B wanders in and the third person
enacts the fantasy. Clearly Twin B has been violated, but it is far from
clear that the third person is entirely in the wrong.

>	That reminds me of the William Kennedy Smith trial.  The
>defense's main argument was that Mr. Smith did not rape the alleged
>victim because he thought "[that] she liked it rough."  I'm sorry, but
>to me what William Kennedy Smith did, and what you suggest about
>"intent" qualify as the same thing and that is rape.

	Ah, yes, Mr. District Attorney....or is that Mr. Judge, Jury
and Executioner?

>	The fact that he was not convicted isn't relevant,

	It sure the hell is. 


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Space Rangers <SPOILERS>
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:31:18 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the right place to talk about the new
series "Space Rangers," but since it is supposed to bring
competition to ST I thought I would.





















I thought that show was abolutely horrible.  I think I realized it was
going to be bad when the captain said the unforgettable lines: "some
might consider us misfits, but I considers us family."  Gag!  Anyways,
the plot was terrible, the special effects were weak at best, and their
version of Data was a bit of a cliche.  All in all I'd give it a D-.

Dan
From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: TNG 'error' cards 4 sale
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:26:29 GMT
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! V0.976


 
I've come across some of the so-called 'error' hologram cards from the Star
Trek Inaugural set.  These are the ones with the differnt numbers on the
back.  They are $12 each + shipping.  The number in () is the quantity
that I have available.  Unless noted they are all NM/M in condition.
 
         Set of all 4 cards (1)  $48
   031   Klingon Bird of Prey  (1)
   031   Klingon Bird of Prey  (1) - flawed by 1/4" raised on bottom edge
                                   - Make an Offer on this one, please
   033   Klingon Vor'Cha Attack Cruiser (3)
   034   Romulan War Bird (0)
   036   Ferengi Maurauder (1)
   036   Ferengi Maurauder (1) - flawed by cutter mark along whole left side
                                 about 1/16" from edge - Make Offer on this
 
I also still have some of the following cards available.  
 
 
     Star Trek Series I card set (Impel)  $7.50 (5)
                     II                   $7.50 (5)
           Inaugural 120-card set         $7.50 (8)
            Foreign Language 5-card Subset 8.00 (10)
     02H   Klingon Attack Cruiser (1)    $10.00 
     03H   Romulan Warbird (1)           $10.00 
     H1-H4 Series I Hologram set (1)     $45.00 
     01H-04H TNG Hologram set (1)        $45.00 
     GOLD Enterprise hologram (1) $15 (this was $2 in the mail-in offer).
 
While I'm at it, I have the following related items available:
 
 (6) 6' Poster of KIRK in Transporter, Langley Enterprises (197?), $15 each.
 (0) Slightly damaged 6' KIRK posters for $3 each.
 (5) 6' Poster of SPOCK in Transporter, Langley Enterprises (197?) 
         These are all damaged; therefore they're $5.00 each.
 (3) Rigel 4 Castle Poster, Langley Enterprises (197?), $25 each.
(15) Starship Battling Planet color poster, art by Kelley Freas, $5 each.
 (2) Bronze Coin Medallions, Hallmark Minting (197?) w/GOLD neck chains $350.
 
Shipping is extra on all prices quoted above.  Condition is NM/M unless 
noted (keep in mind that most of the posters have been rolled & sleeved for
many years; and will need to be unrolled carefully).
 
I reserve the right to limit quantities (like on the Picard holo, unless 
ordered as part of whole set, to one per person).  The number in () is 
how many I have available.
 
If  you think my price is too high on anything,  please feel free to make
a counter-offer.
 
Please email me at  Zardoz@sycom.MI.ORG  or  fmsrl7.srl.ford.com!ttardis!dwl
if interested.  Thanx, Dave.
 
Thanx, Dave.
From: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com (Robert Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Reply-To: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Vulcan Science Academy Foreign Student Union
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:37:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.143636.24821@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>,
wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:

|> It has been suggested
|> many times that the Holodeck could be used by a crewmember for the
|> fulfilment of that individual's sexual desires towards another
|> crewmember (usually the exemple used is Wes Crusher and Troi, but
|> let's stick to abstracts here...)  If we assume that the reason why
|> such behaviour is taking place is because the object of desire has
|> rejected the first crewmember's advances, we can therefore say that
|> consent was not given by the person desired.  Outside of the Holodeck,
|> if the first individual was to force a sexual encounter upon the
|> person he or she desires, we would call it rape.  Inside the Holodeck,
|> things are quite different.

|> 	When a person goes in the Holodeck to fulfil a fantasy such as
|> I mentionned above, if we assume that the reason he or she does so is
|> because the "real" person (the one outside the Holodeck) rejected the
|> advances (i.e. did not consent), then if sexual activity does take
|> place with a replica of the uninterested crewmember, I cannot help but
|> feel that some sort of wrong has been committed against this person.
|> In other words, if someone did not agree to have their image used in
|> such a way, then if someone uses their image in the Holodeck they have
|> been victimized.

Then do you believe that an individual is victimized if they are the
subject of a teenaged boy's masturbatorial fantasy?

I would agree to your interpretation IF, and only if, the Holodeck
masturbator (and let's face it - that's what they are) went around
telling other crewmembers (or even the object of his/her desire) that
they were using the Holodeck to do the nasty with that person.

Otherwise, it's just normal, fulfilling sexual play.
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From: kamins@well.sf.ca.us (Scot Kamins)
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:33:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.201558.16439@watson.ibm.com> kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <C0E728.2Br@well.sf.ca.us>, kamins@well.sf.ca.us (Scot Kamins) writes:
>|> 
>|> Mr.  Chabot suggests that there is a paralell between using someone's
>|> holodec'ed image (reproduction? simulacrum?) for some personal purpose (in
>|> this case, sex) and using a sports star's image for commercial purposes. But
>|> the paralell is a false one. Sports stars and other public figures demand
>|> recompense for their images when the use is commercial; but I can cut out a
>|> picture of my favorite sports personality from the newspaper, scan it into
>|> my computer, and do whatever I want with it - so long as it's only me that's
>|> using it - without havingto pay for it. That's legal because of the fair use
>|> doctrine. What's the difference if what I have is a monitor or a holodec? If
>|> I'm using it just for me, for non-commercial purposes, where's the
>|> illegality?
>
>So, if the person's "image" (or whatever) is used on a holodeck brothel -
>THEN it's illegal, right?
>
>:-) :-) :-)
>
>
>
>Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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?
Yes, unless the person whose image was being used (1) had given permission
and (2) perhaps were getting a royalty.  (What a concept!)

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