HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Progress (Was : Re: The Literary Canon)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:16:40 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep4.140215.1437@athena.cs.uga.edu> fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>>	Allow me to offer a differenct scenario (one that has happened
>>before), in which this black man might be be pulled over by your
>>average city cop. (Perhaps after running a stop light or something.)
>>Now, the cops don't know anything about the man, except that he's
>>black. One thing leads to another, perhaps he resents being stopped
>>and resists being arrested. Now the cops think he's probably on drugs
>>or something. Judging from the looks of his clothes and his car (very
>>expensive, very nice), he might even be a drug dealer, or a drug lord.
>>Next thing you know, the man is on the ground, being beaten rather
>>severely by cops who are afraid he might be on PCP or something.
>>Well, its easy to see how things might go from there, and all from
>>something as simple as being pulled over by a cop.
>
>     Person A recounts a true story.  Person B counters by inventing
>a "scenario" and then gets all indignant about the story he made up.
>Heh heh heh.
>

	Person C misinterprets the scenario presented by person B, and
must have missed an awful lot of national news over the past year. The
scenario I presented above happened. The only difference was that the
black male in question was not a Ph.D. (though the police who beat him
did not know if he was a Ph.D. or drug dealer, but made assumptions
based on the man's race).


>
>>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>>			-Joseph Beam_
>
>     Poor Black women.  Poor Black children.  Left behind by the Revolution.

Ah. Will the debates over this sig never end.  I suggest Person C read
some Joseph Beam, Essex Hemphill or Marlon Riggs, as they will afford
him an understanding of what my sig means. Failing that, I might be
coaxed into explaining....again.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,misc.test
Subject: Re: Why, look what showed up in my mailbox!
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 10:45:55 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <Btt6G0.JIn@world.std.com>, Patricia O Tuama writes:

> One of the Conquering Hero's little net.pals sent this to me so

> From franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca Sun Aug 30 11:03:13 1992

> After reading some ridiculous post of yours in alt.fan.kevin-darcy,
> I can't help but be nauseated by your redundant and mundane approach

Franklin needs franking. I've been getting obnoxious emails from
that twit as well. Just what I needed!

WARNING: followups sent to misc.test, I need to know if my
messages are getting out. What better way to test than to reply
to a person who normally only writes articles with a not
applicable distribution. :-)

> aasdSteveFranklin-Subliminal Psychology Major.ks;dlasBlueJaysRULEkasdfeahsdbfl

...  'Steve Franklin' -- pustulent dickhead looking for a place
to be squashed!

> By the way, what evidence have you provided, Steve, that you 
> didn't forge a sendsys from Dac?

Oh, ghod, don't give 40+ thousand people that idea, Trish. The
frosh crowd are bound to want to attempt it.

[Lefty: Please reply in Email, thanks]

Dac
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From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
Subject: Re: Wow (was Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:38:00 GMT
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <Bts4st.HGx@world.std.com>
        rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama) writes:

]In article <1992Aug24.022216.7732@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
]>Ho hum. When you've heard this "you're not worth the trouble" schtick as
]>many times as I have, it really starts to get tiresome.

Is this like a couple of years ago when Kebbin said I was "too easy"
to respond to for him to bother, and that he was putting me in a
killfile?  I don't find such "schtick" tiresome at all, and I'd like
for Kebbie to repeat it.

You've gotta grant Kebbie brownie points for inconsistency, you know.

]>	 Thing is, Dear Mr.
]>Miller, that virtually all of the folks who have at one time or another
]>claimed I've been "not worth the trouble" have either shortly thereafter
]>disappeared from the face of the Net
]
]Like who for instance?

I suppose he means T*d.  T*d said that once or twice, after Kebbin
had supposedly destroyed him.

]>inept net.posturing. Rissa has fallen between this mortar and pestle. 
]
]Mortar and pestle?  What -are- you babbling about now, dear?

It must have something to do with crushed peppercorns.

]>her deep wounds. Numerous newbies have come and gone. My altar is soaked with 
]>blood. 
]
]So put a tourniquet on whatever part of you is bleeding and quit
]whining about it, Kebbin.

Perhaps it's his neck.


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson)
Subject: Re: I Badly Need Your Advice
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:08:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: psy7.psy.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BtKpu5.A9F@rice.edu>, andsol@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew J.
Solberg) writes:
> 
> Oh, Golly!  Now what do I do?
> 
> I took a shower (tee-hee!) without wearing my frilly bathing cap, and
> now my pointy little head is all wrinkly and prunelike!  Help me, Oh
> net.weasels, for I am in a DREADFUL bind!
> 
> Also: Can anybody tell me where I can post some good jokes?  Like, how
> about this one:  
> 
> Q: What did the sheep say to the alt.flame crew?
> A: Die, Rat BAAAAAAAAAstard!
> 
> HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

[etc.]

Andy, I thought you would know by now not to leave your terminal
unattended...

**********
John G. Robinson
robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion
From: ckincy@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: I don't give a shit about Americans
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:08:17 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <dos105-290892131943@150.203.49.43> dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:
>  I don't give a shit about Americans.

Fine, we don't give a shit about you either.

(No...not Australians...just you, in particular.)

>  I don't want to hear any more about the presidential race between the far
>right and the further right.

Neither do I, and you don't see me complaining.

>  I don't care that Florida got hit by a cyclone. Somalians are dying.

So fucking what?  Haven't you heard that people get the government
they deserve?  Nobody asked for a cyclone.  Dumbass.

>  I hate American accents.

Fucking uppity strine shithead.  Your great-great-grandfather was a convict.
Don't forget that.

>  I detest the media's obsession with the USA. Simply because so much crap
>spews out of the place doesn't mean it should be conveyed to us.

That's because if it weren't for us, you and your shitty little
island would be speaking Japanese and in slavery to Empreror Hirohito!!

>  The obvious response is that Americans don't give a shit about me/us
>either - obviously they don't give a shit about anyone except themselves,
>and that is another good reason to HATE the United States.

What makes you think that?  We're constantly sticking our nose where
it doesn't belong.  Just ask Saddam Hussein.

Fuckwit.

>      Signed,
>              Pat Rourke  (you may not have heard of me)

Yeah, I've heard of you.  You were mentioned in a tabloid a few 
months ago.  Something about masturbating on public nude beaches.

cpk
Speaking for all Americans, of course. =)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: K. Cochran is still a homophobe
Keywords: K. Cochran, homophobe, homophobia
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:03:41 GMT

In <1992Aug25.195746.2001@bcrka451.bnr.ca> stu5s14@bcrka287.bnr.ca (James Cherry) writes:
>What has Mr. Cochran's sexual orientation to do with his homophobia?
>Suppose I ask Mr. Cochran what is orientation is.  And suppose he says
>he's homosexual.  Then why would he use homosexual anal sex as an insult
>to others?

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, he knows that it's a HIGHLY EFFICIENT way of getting
MINDLESS IDIOTS to twitch uncontrollably.  Maybe, JUST MAYBE, if you HAD
multiply-connected neurons you'd have been able to tease that little nugget
of wisdom from the available facts.  But since you have all the mental potential
of potato salad......NAAAAAHHH!

>Lastly, in article <Aug.24.17.39.24.1992.26879@romulus.rutgers.edu>,
>aldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>   [K*ld*s stuff deleted]
>I have heard of others claiming that homosexuals "thrust themselves
>upon us".  Personally, I've never really noticed this.

Maybe if you wore tighter pants.

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: bpalacio@ws09.ips.iacd.honeywell.com (Bill Palacio)
Subject: Re: Not nice
Organization: Honeywell Industrial Automation & Control
Distribution: alt.flame
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:50:42 GMT

Re:

*************************************************************************
*************************************************************************
In article <BtK77G.F4v@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.141853.8495@midway.uchicago.edu> h309@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|> >
|> > It's not nice of you to post copyrighted images.
|> 
|> How about the Polaroid(tm)s of my sister, can I post those?
|> 

Don't bother, I already did.

Ba da Boom.

Sorry, couldn't resist that one :-)

-- 
Michael S. McLean (msm@eng.ufl.edu)                
Engineering Computing Systems             "Imagination is the one weapon
College of Engineering                     in the war against reality."
University of Florida                         -- Jules de Gaultier
****************************************************************************
****************************************************************************


Reminds me of the boastful groom on at his wedding who, looking over the
crowd, says, "You know, I've had every woman here except for my mother, my
sister and my bride."  To which the best man says, "I guess between the two
of us we got 'em all!"


---Oh, isn't this alt.rec.humor.d.sex.d.erotica.d.humor.d.d.d.d.d.d........? (Damn!)

############

Bill Palacio                  
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson)
Subject: Herpes (was Re: Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:33:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: psy7.psy.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug31.101957.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, jmb14@jaguar.uofs.edu
wrote:
...well, basically, he wrote a bunch of shit, as usual.

So.  You're back.  Old alt.flame is having another outbreak of herpes.  Had
to happen sooner or later, I guess.  At least we won't have to worry about
ol' Bruce for a while now.  What happened, Troll, did you break your
tinkertoy at psu?

Speaking of psu, or the whole festering state, for that matter:  Why don't
you show a little common sense and move out of that backwater dirthole they
call Scranton?  The pollution is obviously affecting your ability to
communicate coherently, although I understand that you might have developed
a taste for the stench by now.  What with the toxic waste in your back yard
and the putrid crap you post, I can almost smell it all the way down here.

Really, though, you could move someplace neat like New Jersey, and maybe
even get a job at a Whataburger.  That should fit in well with your
"college" major.  Why, if you're really good, they might even make you
employee of the month!  Then you'll get free burgers and fries!  Wow!

The best part of it is, though, that Whataburger doesn't have a newsfeed;
we'd never have to hear from your revolting, shit-encrusted, smegmafied
(copyright 1992 MAC; used without permission) diseased asshole again.

**********
John G. Robinson
robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Wow (was Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:08:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <1992Aug24.022216.7732@rotag.mi.org>
        kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:

]Rissa has fallen between this mortar and pestle. Keegan 
]has fallen so far that he CAN'T get up, and is very loud about his 
]predicament, and a pathetic sight to behold. Lefty has fallen. Garvin fell 
]far, but is now apparently seeking sanctuary in a killfile entry, and licking
]her deep wounds. Numerous newbies have come and gone. My altar is soaked with
]blood. 

What you are implying then, Kebbie, is that within your own killfile
you are seeking sanctuary from _my_ tools of destruction.  Is this not
so?  Is it not true that you have hidden in a killfile entry for a
couple of years now?  I do not, however, have any tools of
destruction, except those that reside within you and from which there
is no sanctuary.

No, Kebbie, you are no safer within your killfile entry than out of
it, because you carry your "altar" with you everywhere and throw
yourself upon it.  It is a pathetic sight; my cruelty is merely that
I laugh at it.  This is all the cruelty any of those you listed above
ever commit.  The actual damage you do to yourself.


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:01:37 GMT

In <2a900dd7.crud@crud.mn.org> trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.020846.7594@cfctech.cfc.com>
>        kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:

>]I was thrown, and ended up making a bad assumption.

>I suppose early brain damage could be an excuse, Kevin, but in that
>case you ought to be in a treatment program.

Trashman, how can you willingly suggest a treatment program when you
had such little success? 
   steve
-- 
aasdSteveFranklin-Subliminal Psychology Major.ks;dlasBlueJaysRULEkasdfeahsdbfl
sd;lfaswoq[eBuyMeAQuadra!!!mbnZMXCNdfsba;KdSPAMiuroqiyetIBMSuxiweuryth'ewr;mxn
qpuepriuPartyOneqtuj;,n.,xnc,kjasFlameMeNot!;lkj;lkgkjd;askElvisLivesjhfquweru
zx.cfranklin@ug.cs.dal.ca,sk;t;lrut[Superboy@ac.dal.cav.zx,Physics!eq3rwkh;oHA
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: I don't give a shit about Americans
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <1992Aug29.183931.4071@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
        rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh) rants:

]David Rodabugh
]Senior, Mechanical Engineering
]The Ohio State University - in the UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!

So, tell us, David, are you a "baugh" or are you a "bugh"?


Barry Schwartz
Nothing to do with OSU in the    *** UNITED STATES ***


--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Homina Homina!
Keywords: Wacky!  Madcap!  Goof
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:00:56 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <gunnarh.29@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>In article <78600@ut-emx.uucp> swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum) writes:


>>       Boring?!  Hah!!  This is the greatest newsfroup ever, and someday
>>I hope to be a FlameLord!!!                  ^^^^^^^^^^
>Newsfroup, sure you don't mean newsgroup????

Y'all agree that this is the lamest spelling flame ever?

>Any opinions stated hereign are the ones of ODH......NOT!
>They are mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine.

heh, like anyone else would want 'em.
   don't kid yourself dorkie

steve
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Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,talk.abortion
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:22:32 GMT

In article <2a9d102d.crud@crud.mn.org> trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.020706.5531@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>]Self-righteousness is very easy,
>]and therefore very cheap, in hindsight, when one has ALL the facts at one's
>]disposal.
>You might even say it was "easy virtue".

Hahahah!  Very clever, Barry, but I think it's going to go right
over his pointy little head.

>]Doing the correct thing given incomplete or misleading information.
>]I did what I thought was right at the time.

You sure did, Kevie, you did exactly what you thought would pro-
duce the greatest number of inflammatory responses.


---------------
    You have this amazing excess of emotional baggage and a
masochistic desire to be beaten like a drum, so you drag your
baggage all over the net, cross-posting where you know you
shouldn't, in order to air your angst to those who don't want
to hear it and get flamed because you want it.  You want it bad,
Darcy.  Crying and whining all over hell and creation are meat and
drink to you, and you have a near psycho-sexual need to be flamed
for your crying and whining.
				    -- dean.kaflowitz
				    <1991Dec27.131225.5984@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.033509.6048@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>Not faith, Barely, EXPERIENCE. I worked in the graphical arts for quite a
>few years, remember? The cost and lead time of printing up bumper stickers
>makes it an almost impossible medium for expressing transient thoughts or
>emotions.

I've NEVER "worked in the graphical arts" and I'm not all that
competent with modern office equipment.  Nevertheless, I've turned a
bumper sticker idea into a bumper sticker in 60 seconds.  (The
marginal materials cost is well under $0.50/sticker.)  It takes me
another 15 minutes to get 100 copies.  Competent people with better
equipment are much faster.  If I want a few thousand, driving time to
the appropriate vendor will be the big time-sink.

Maybe 60 seconds doesn't count as a transient thought.  Maybe the
"cost and lead time" is in applying the sticker.

-andy
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ARPA:    andy@cs.stanford.edu
From: robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu (John G. Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Tales From the Crypt
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:42:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
X-Posted-From: psy7.psy.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Btr7rt.9yw@world.std.com>, rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O
Tuama) writes:
> 
> In article <BtqH10.5C5@rice.edu> andsol@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew J. Solberg) writes:

> >upon, would be the very basis of their society.  And this land was named
> >alt.flame, the crumbling ruins of which we now inhabit.
> 
> Actually it was named net.flame.  The Altnet wasn't created until
> much later.
> 

How the hell old _are_ you, anyway?  And how did they manage to set up a
computer network using wood and rocks?

> >The years wore on, and the originals began to fade out of sight.  I'm not
> >sure what it was: leaving school, perhaps, or new employment; whatever the
> >cause, the oldbies slowly but surely disappeared.
> 
> Not all of us.
> 

Fantastic flame!  Everybody run for cover!  Who can stand against the wrath
of Trish's mighty napalm rockets?  AAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!

**********
John G. Robinson
robinson@psyvax.psy.utexas.edu
From: trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: TSAKC-TC

In article <1992Aug12.020846.7594@cfctech.cfc.com>
        kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:

]I was thrown, and ended up making a bad assumption.

I suppose early brain damage could be an excuse, Kevin, but in that
case you ought to be in a treatment program.



--
Barry Schwartz        trashman@crud.mn.org
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: Mr. Kaldis's "misogyny"
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:25:43 GMT

In <lefty-310892130508@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
>In article <Aug.30.22.57.09.1992.22622@romulus.rutgers.edu>,
>kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) wrote:
>> Every so often, the charge is put forth that I am, somehow, a
>> "misogynist".
>Um, Thud, does the following excerpt support or refute the "baselessness"
>of said charge?
>In article <Aug.23.22.51.32.1992.18778@romulus.rutgers.edu>,
>kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.052035.22833@news.columbia.edu> >egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>> Similarly, all those female hormones that wash through pre-menopausal
>>> women interferes with her clear thinking and right judgement.
>>And all she needs to straighten her out is a good stiff ... never
>>mind.
>So tell us, do your unattractive rape fantasies represent misogyny on your
>part, Thud?

But Lefty, T*d does like women -- as long as they don't try to ride in the
front of the bus.

No.  Sorry.  That's how he feels about minorities.

T*d does like women -- as long as they stay barefoot and pregnant.

Geez, quoting George Gilder to defend himself from charges of misogyny is
almost as stupid as quoting _Mein Kampf_ to defend himself from charges of
anti-semitism.

Which, no doubt, he will eventually do.

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