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From: psachdev@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Canadian mail-order sources?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:08:50 GMT


Hi there,

Does anyone know any mail order companies in Canada for outdoor equipment 
(specifically boots), other than S.I.R.?  I need to locate some particular 
items, but no local company has them.  Please e-mail me.

Thanks,

Duncan McAndrew
Psachdev@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: clacey@bbn.com (Chris Lacey)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:59:28 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: clacey@bbn.com (Chris Lacey)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Just some additional info:  I head up to Mt W. every winter for a few trips.
Caution is the operative word, for me anyways.  I've had great, big, beautiful
winter days up there.  I've also been up on the ridge when all hell broke 
loose.  One time my bro' & I were just above the boot spur, -15F or so, 
20-30mph winds, good visibility.  We stopped for some grub and by the time 
we finished the winds were strong enough to blow my bro' off his feet (& then 
some) & vis. was down to nothing.  I had wool pants over fake pile over heavy 
poly over cotton briefs & by the time we got down into the trees (maybe an 
hour or two) my crotch & thighs were numb.

This year?  I'm waiting for some snow.  I ain't sleeping on no frozen dirt.

On another note, does anyone out there do any mushing?  If you do I'd be
pleased to hear from you.  I'm starting to think about what it'd take to 
get into it.

Thanks,
Chris Lacey
clacey@bbn.com
From: padams@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Sierra Club Outings
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:21:34 GMT

From article <1993Jan6.222529.29553@unocal.com>, by stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini):
> 
> First, it may be important to distinguish the national trips advertised in the Sierra magazine
> from local chapters.  The National trips require reservations and $$ while most of the 3000 yearly
> local trips in the LA area don't require reservations and are free.
> 
  how does one find out about trips offered by the local chapters?


					-paul
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: sex@chopin.udel.edu (Martin Solo Schamis)
Subject: Re: North Face sleeping bags /PAcks
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:19:51 GMT

I have a NF igloo (good to 5 deg F) Lists at $195 or so) but I got it for 125 
on sale.  The trick with North Face equipment is to either find it on sale
or to go to an outlet.  There is an outlet in Reading, PA and one in CA
as far as I know.  Most outdoor stores also put a lot of stuff on sale in 
January.  My rule is to never pay full price for any expensive gear I 
buy.  
As far as the bag goes. I have slept comfortable in it with minimal sleepwear
on as low as 15 degrees (minimal sleepwear includes a teeshirt and long john
pants and wool socks). Below 15 degrees, I need a turtle neck, and a hat at 
least.  I have found that it is rated acurately to 5 degrees.  I slept in 
it one night at less than zero with two pair socks, long johns, fleece pants,
turtle neck, fleece jacket and wool cap and was comfortable (temp was about
0 to -5 deg F.)  
The moral of this message -- LOOK FOR SALES on any equipment.(I also own a NF parka and fleece - both of which I got on sale)

Martin
sex@brahms.udel.edu

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From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Big new landfill next to J-Tree?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1993Jan8.102619.18586@hellgate.utah.edu> allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker) writes:
>> 
>>As I understand it, there is a widespread opinion that this is the
>>best site for a major landfill IF one must be created somewhere.  This
 
>>Do you know a better site?
 
>Let the big the cities stew in their own shit for once, build the dam
>landfill right in the middle of LA so everybody living there can wake up
>and smell the roses so to speak.  Utah and many other western desert
>states are becoming the dumping ground for other states. There is a
>county in Utah is already starting to take waste from LA.  Sure it
 
>Salt Lake City, Oootah

Actually, J-Tree is in California, not Utah.  It seems very improbable
that LA would send trash to Utah if there were an available site in 
Southern California.

And it is not a dam landfill, it is a mine landfill.  Utah already has
a big dam landfill.

However, you may have a point.  Let Salt Lake City dump all its trash 
in a landfill next to the Mormon Temple.

	 George Tucker        tucker@shiva.hac.com
	Signature line awaiting FDA approval.

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.photo
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Goretex camera case. (was Re: backpacking with medium format cameras)
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:45:44 GMT

In article <C0Jpsy.9tx@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>[...] I carry the camera in a padded Goretex pouch
>made by Jessops for small video cameras, [...]

What's the point of having Goretex in a camera case?
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
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From: abhawryl@acs.ucalgary.ca (Alan Blake Hawrylyshen)
Subject: Re: Black Diamond Crampons
Summary: balling of snow is trouble
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:06:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In my experience with switchblades, footfangs, and even the F2s (all of which
are rigid crampons); snow balling is a major inconvenience at best and a
serious concern under some circumstances.  The switchblades are sold around
here with a note indicating [that they are] "Excellent techinical ice crampons,
[and] poor [for] mountaineering (not recommended)".

Rigid crampons are quite dangerous when they ball up with sticky snow; 
I have had a few close calls before I purchased a pair of semi-rigid
Charlet Moser Black Ice cramps to fix the snow problems.

Hope it helps.

	...Alan

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with Charlet Moser, Lowe, Camp or Grivel.
-- 
alan@cpsc.ucalgary.ca		University of Calgary
abhawryl@acs.ucalgary.ca	Dept. of Computer Science
"Free the heel, free the mind."

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From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: London area backcountry possibilities wanted
Summary: Cliffs of Dover
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:31:00 GMT

In article <lkof3kINNlie@news.bbn.com>, mfactor@bbn.com (Mara Factor) writes:
> I'm going to be on vacation in London from 4 Feb. to 14 Feb
> and would appreciate hearing about hiking opportunities 
> within fairly easy reach of London.  (I would like to get
> out of the city for a couple of days if possible but do not
> want to spend more than a day to get there.)
> 
> I hike year round in the White Mountains in New England but
> have little idea what kinds of terrain there is in the area
> and what weather to be prepared for in February.
> 
> Any information regarding hiking in the area as well as any
> information on specific hikes, or organizations to contact
> with regards to hiking would be appreciated.  Also, I am
> interested in hearing about any references (books, trail
> guides, maps, etc) that would help me get going.


I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but for me the
most memorable part of a trip to England a couple of years ago
was a walk along the tops of the cliffs of Dover.  It's something
I plan to do again on a trip later this year.

My original interest was purely technical -- I had gone to Dover
to look at the hole in the ground (access shaft) for the Channel
Tunnel.  But, what stuck with me was the walk along the cliffs.

I ended up using that experience as the core of a long letter to
several friends about the trip -- and then later turned it into a
travel article which ran in several newspapers.

Anyway, it's very easy to get to Dover from London.  You can go by
train from one of several London stations.  Even on a local train,
the trip takes only about two hours. {You can walk from the town
on out to the cliffs{.

(I still have the original article on disk.  I'd considered 
posting it to rec.travel a couple of times in response to other
inquiries.  It's somewhat long -- 2,000 words -- but provides some
good background, both on the area and the Channel Tunnel project.)

-- Ernest
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From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Anyone with a fused ankle?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:35:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <C07qo2.A42.1@cs.cmu.edu> bdw+@cs.cmu.edu (Blake Ward) writes:

>I have a fused ankle (the result of shattering my talus bone in a climbing
>fall) and I'm looking for other climbers, backpackers, or outdoor enthusiasts
>who have a similar injury.  I'd like to share experiences, suggestions, etc.
>If you have a similar injury or know someone who does, I'd love to hear 
>from you.  Thanks.

I have THE book for you to read.  John Annerino, _Running Wild: Through
the Grand Canyon on the Ancient Path_.  Published by Harbinger House,
Tucson, 1992; ISBN 0-943173-83-3.

Annerino smashed his ankle in a climbing accident so badly that the
surgeon wanted to amputate his foot; only his mother's refusal to sign
permission rescued it.  He went through a long rehab & eventually got to
the point where he could run again.  Although his ambition had been to
climb in the Himalyas, he decided he'd never be able to trust his ankle
enough for that & turned to long-distance trail running instead.  The
main account in the book describes his attempt to recreate a through run
in the Grand Canyon that he theorizes Anasazi runners might have been
able to do.

-- 
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us upon that of Homer."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |     --Diogenes the Cynic
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Subject: Re: Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:35:19 GMT


In article <Jan11.203036.10755@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan8.053606.184@midway.uchicago.edu> bejohnst@midway.uchicago.edu writ
|> 
|> A question for the net:  If one stays completely within ones limits, is
|> there any adventure?
|> -- 
|> 
|> -Wayne Trzyna
|>  trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU

I always define adventure as tackling those experiences which I have prepared
for.  Excitment is those experiences I have not prepared for.  While climbing I
avoid excitement like the plague!!
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: Hearths for woodstoves
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:51:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.151941.3459@nynexst.com> selvin@nynexst.com writes:
>Apologies if this doesn't quite fit with this newsgroup, but
>we really need some help...
>
>We're in the process of getting a woodstove, and have run into
>some confusion on the question of hearths. Does anyone out there
>know something about this subject? specifically, how thick does
>the stone or brick need to be, does there need to be anything 
>underneath it (heat shield, "wonderboard"), do you need to
>reinforce the floor if you put in a masonry hearth, are there
>any good books to consult on the subject,

You might want to check with your insurer. We were warned that
installing a woodstove that had not been passed by an inspector
might void the insurance in the event of a fire. University
City was satisfied with quarry tile over a sheet of wonderboard for
a hearth. this rested partially on the old, narrow fireplace
hearth and partially on wooden flooring. As far as reinforcement, you
might want to consult an engineer. The consequences of guessing wrong
could be fairly severe. Wonderboard plus tile wasn't a problem. Brick
might have been. The size of the stove is also a factor (ours was
quite small, a Vermont Casting Intrepid). If you are putting this
into an old house, have your chimney inspected. Ours turned out
to be unlined and unsafe. We had to install a stainless liner. Even
an old tile lining may be cracked and unsafe. Chimney fires are no
joke.
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Backpacking in Hawaii
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:48:07 GMT

Most guidebooks only give a few paragraphs, if any, to backcountry
possibilities.  I'd like to know which of the Hawaiian islands we
should go to for 3-5 days of backpacking.  Camping on beaches is
preferable, but not necessary;  we'd like mountains, lush vegetation,
non-constant rain, few people.  Trip would be in late Feb or early March.

Reply by email please;  I'll summarize.

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From: evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:59:00 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan11.215336.3993@tc.fluke.COM> lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog) writes:
>evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) writes:
>
>Yes.  There have been documented cases of pulmonary edema as low as
>8000 ft.

I guess that being raised in Salt Lake Valley (4000 ft) skewed my thinking. It
just goes to show that no matter how long you climb, there is still lots to
learn. Thanks!

Rich
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Fabric Supplier for GoreTex and Polartec Wanted
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:22:48 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

My wife and are going to make some bivi sacs and are looking for
polartec('ish doesn't have to be polartec if similiar low-weight warm
quick drying...) and goretex fabric suppliers.  I've looked around the
Kansas City area and don't like the fabric that I did find (only
couple places)  I've seen the polartect for about $9 a yard but never
goretex.  

Anyone know of fabric suppliers for goretex or polartec that might do
mailorder?  Thanks again everyone...
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: degraff@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Sierra Club Outings
Reply-To: degraff@helix.nih.gov
Organization: National Cancer Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:32:37 GMT

In article <1if0efINNrg2@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>
pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any experiences (good/bad) with the Sierra Club Outings 
>that they could share?  Some of the trips seem to reasonably priced and
exciting.

I have done 5  trips in the last 5 years, 4 were backpacks in the Sierras, and
one international trip to Belize last Christmas.  I have enjoyed all the trips,
and met lots of interesting people.   I thought the backpacks were a
particularly good value, especially for someone who doesn't have alot to time
to plan and/or lives far away from where you want to backpack.  The backpacks
that I have done were all in the leasurely to moderate range, which still
allows one to hike to elevations close to 12,000 ft and often camp above 10,000
ft.  Many trips have a pack train assist the first day to carry the bulk of the
commissary, so the first day doesn't become a death march, even if its all
uphill.  There are numerous trips that are much more strenous than the ones I
have been on, if that's what you are interested in.  The leaders all use the
same method to rate the trips, so the ratings should be comparable among the
different trips.  

>Also, what is an average age for participants?  The local chapter is mostly 
>40+ (nothing wrong with that) and don't have a lot in common with late-20yr
>olds.
 
The age range on my trips has been mid-twentys to mid-seventys, with the
average probably between forty and forty-five.  I'm in my mid-30's, and have
always found people on the trips that I have alot in common with.  

In short, I would highly recommend these trips.

Bill DeGraff
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of the US
Govenment, Dept. of Health and Human Services, or The National Institutes of
Health.
>
>
>
>


Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:30:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1993Jan8.053606.184@midway.uchicago.edu> bejohnst@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>If winter climbs were attempted only by experinced people,
>there'd be no experienced people.

Great quote!  Neither would there be a well-defined notion of stupidity.
If people didn't go out and get themselves killed, how would the rest
of us define the limits?

A question for the net:  If one stays completely within ones limits, is
there any adventure?
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Fabric Supplier for GoreTex and Polartec Wanted
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:39:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs


In article <2B49211D.9110@news.service.uci.edu>, cheu@saturn.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes...
>In article <1993Jan4.182248.46095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>|> My wife and are going to make some bivi sacs and are looking for
>|> polartec('ish doesn't have to be polartec if similiar low-weight warm
>|> quick drying...) and goretex fabric suppliers.  I've looked around the
>|> Kansas City area and don't like the fabric that I did find (only
>|> couple places)  I've seen the polartect for about $9 a yard but never
>|> goretex.  


Goretex is manufactured by the W.L. Gore Co.
They do not sell Gore-Tex material to fabric stores.
The only Gore-Tex material you will find is roll ends which
were illegaly provided to a fabric store by a manufacturer of Gore-Tex
garments.

This is my understanding, based on info. provided by W.L. Gore,
a fabric store which happened to have some Gore-Tex material,
and a rep. from Marmot.

	Randy Marks
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: allen%gr.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson )
Subject: Re: Looking for best prices on tents, bags, stoves, etc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:47:31 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

>|> Allen R. Sanderson writes:
>|> Be aware that none of the articles sold through the NF Outlet carry a
>|> warrenty.  I had a rather heated argument with them because the hang tag
>|> that came with my bibs had a warrenty on it.  A first they were not
>|> going to honor it but I politely reminded them that most states carry
>|> laws which would force them to.  They fixed my bibs free of charge after
>|> that and were very good about it.
>|> 
>|> North Face was one of the best warrenty policies of any company I have
>|> ever delt with.  The reduction in price at the Outlet store reflects
>|> alot of the cost to warrenty ther products.  Which I would guess
>|> to be about 20% of the retail cost.


cheu@saturn.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>I was told by the salesman that I could get warranty service at any
>of the NF outlets in the country.  But I did realized that all the
>products sold at the factory outlet have the O in the nOrth face label
>painted in black as identification as sales items.


I should have clarified this a bit more. NF will give you service but
you must pay for it.  Thus if a zipper blows out, you can send it back
to NF but they will charge you for the repair work.

Allen


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From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Best kind of stove for Turkey?
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:11:31 GMT

In article <29369@optima.cs.arizona.edu>,
 evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) writes:
|>I suggest the MSR Internationale or X-GK II stoves.  Finding fuel for them 
|>should present few problems.  Be sure and get the maintenance kit to go with
|>it.  Impure fuels really gum up a stove.
|>
|>As an aside, have you checked the most recent travel restrictions in Eastern
|>Turkey?  It seems like every time the Kurds act up, (which is often), the 
|>Turks close the area to foriegn travel...

Yea, it's bad PR when tourists see their special forces gunning
down unarmed Kurds in the streets.

--
Greg Jahn Boise State Univ.| "Spoils of war are spoils of war,
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu /|  says junk man, owner of the junk. 
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    /|  Grafitti man's got something to
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  /|  say. "   - John Trudell

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From: roge0028@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Experience of Montana ?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:05:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.180008.16871@eua.ericsson.se> tobbe@erix.ericsson.se (Torbj|rn T|rnkvist) writes:
>I would like to hear some experiences from the State 
>of Montana, since I've just been reading a book about 
>the state in question (quite interesting).
>For example places you would recommend to visit etc...
>
>-- 
>Thanks / Tobbe (tobbe@erix.ericsson.se)
>
Well, according to me, the finest place to go is just outside
of Missoula Mt. down the Bitteroot River...but get yourself 
someone who knows the area well, as it is very wooded and
quite easy to get turned around. (that is, if you leave sight
of the river)  The area is quite beautiful and wildlife abounds

Have a great time!!


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