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From: jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Cherney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Things Afoot in Marvel about Supes
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:29:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov21.012913.10204
Reply-To: jcherney@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Jennifer E. Levine writes
> In article <Nov.20.14.14.00.1992.1991@dorm.rutgers.edu>, jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey  
Greene) writes:
> |> On the letters page of Ghost Rider #33, there is another one panel tribute:
> |> 
> |> GR is sitting, his back against a tombstone, on which we can read:
> |> 	HERE LIES KA(rest blocked by GR's body)
> |> 
> |> The words balloons say:
> |> 	'The balance of good & evil has been upset - weighted more toward evil
> |> than ever before.  Your super-strength couldn't save you, man from Krypton...
> |> ...and for your death... ...I must seek vengence!'
> |> 
> |> Disclaimer: I don't read GR.  I only picked up the issue because Madcap was in
> |> it. :)
> |> 
> |> -jak
> 
> Do you think maybe Marvel bought Supes and thats how he comes back:
> 	as an Avenger or an Xman?!?

BWAH-HA-HA-HA!

I would LOVE it!  X-Superman!
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: How to Screen _The Tempest_
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:27:34 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 sherman@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:

_The Tempest_:

> Hmm... somebody must have seen "Prospero's Books" recently.  

Yep. Though it's best seen as a trilogy:

1) _Forbidden Planet_
2) _The Tempest_ (hopefully, a middling-to-good production)
3) _Prospero's Books_

Tanaqui
From: 2013bp@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Subject: Re: LSH dates....
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:15:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.143421.29318@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Okay, presuming they stay on Gregorian, if June 4 1994 is a Sunday, then June 
>4 2994 is a Monday.  So look up for 1994, eh?
>     Dave Van Domelen, amazing what you can do with a cheap calculator and a 
>little knowledge....

Now, now, let's not make assumptions! Calenders are on a quirky base
seven system which gets messed up on a base 4 sequence, which is not
even actually every four years (years divisable by 100 are only leap
years if they are divisable by 400). This does not lend itself well to
working out the way you are assuming it will.
And naturally it doesn't.  June 4th 1994 will be a Saturday.  June 4th
994 was a Monday. June 4th 2994 can't be obtained just by looking at
1994.

Bill
.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski)
Subject: Re: The Death of Superman
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:20:15 GMT

In article <BxFKKr.1sx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
>
>Saw an amusing article in the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune.  It's a 
>piece on the death of supes, with the writer constantly referring to Dan 
>Jurgens as "the killer."  Highlights follow:

(various highlights deleted)

>The DC plan is apparently to stop publishing Superman comics entirely.
>
>As to whether he will ever be back, "That's up in the air now," Carlin said.
>
>Yet one small candle of hope is lit by Curt Swan of Westport, Conn., who has
>pencilled Superman and other comics for 25 years.
>
>"I think the idea behind it is to make him vulnerable.  Before, he could
>overcome anything and everything..." 

More likely, this will have the opposite of the intended effect.
Now he WILL have a reputation for "overcoming anything and everything".
You can see it now: "SUPERMAN, the mighty hero who CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF!"
(a possible return to Kirby's `The Immortal Superman')
(the Endless Superman)
(Superman the Eternal Protector of the Earth)
(Superman the Unkillable Hero)
(etc.)

The end result (no matter how they bring him back): 
-> he'll be less human, and have less in common 
with us "ordinary mortals", than ever.   (sigh)

(He'll call himself Superman, but IMO he may seem more like the Krypton Man.)

					-Slippery Jim

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         "Sometimes dead is better." -Stephen King's _Pet Sematary_
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Lex Luthor (was Doomsday:  I've been wondering)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:30:00
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: howie@simcon.boeing.com's message of 17 Nov 92 21:27:39 GMT


howie> I'm sorry .... Wally West is NOT the Flash and Matrix is NOT
howie> Supergirl!  And then they kill off Lex Luthor, replacing him
howie> with a hairy clone.

But it IS the same Luthor. His brian was transfered to a new cloned
body. I think the nice guy attitude he has now will fade after some
time and the old Luthor will be back. 

--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
From: djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Morbius (was Strange Things Afoot in Marvel...)
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:34:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.-qrq9ml
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov20.055936.17757@ncsu.edu> stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) writes:
>
>Morbius #5.........Well as if anyone cares, but I like this comic so far, I 
>                   would like to hear anyone elses thoughts on this as well.
>
Hey I Think that Morbius is a pretty darn good comic.  Howard Mackie is one
of my favorite writers.  The art in this book has been great.  I think that
Bret Blevins is awesome at drawing a dark and grim New York. The seen at the 
end of #5 left me waiting.  The Basilisk is an interesting concept for a 
villian. 

I think the concept of some one having to kill to survive is intriguing.  I 
hope that Mackie plays this out for a while, he probably will.  Can't wait to
see Morbius vs. Basilisk.

Later

the Mighty Joe Young

djyoung@carina.unm.edu
WQ
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:58:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.024656.20328@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
>>>I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
>>>comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
>>>small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. So far, I've
>>>thought of:
>
>	(I'll skip over the painfully obvious ones, like BIG NUMBERS,
>the Gaiman-Bisley Batman GN, or anything by Matt Wagner...)

Hmm, I thought this was back on the Tundra publishing schedule?
Anyone have any hard (or at least not-too-floppy) info?

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: acsbk@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Reply-To: acsbk@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:15:44 GMT

I know this also appeared on .info, and that I am the type who gets antsy
about posting over and over, but I am seeking some specific info as a favor
to a friend.
	Could anyone tell me the Batman and Hulk issues that Harlan Ellison 
wrote? Any other comic titles would also be appreciated. I know he also
wrote a "Twilight Zone" comic that had to do with Demonology..

	Any help would be appreciated, perhaps I could offer my expertise
in multimedia in exchange.

		Sincerily, and with malice aforethought,
			ACSBK@UMASSD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:40:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.015601.24988@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>> 
>> It isn't tough.  The vote stands at 32-6 now.  If the opinion against LNH is
>> strong enough, I will raise a formal CFV for a policy change to the r.a.c.m.
>> charter.
>
>Umm, I'm sorry, but you can't.  Net regulations.
>
>I'm sure Hades will be more than happy to fill you in on the details, but
>the deal is that you first must have a RFD (crossposted to news.groups),
>then a CFV a month after that, and then the results of the CFV a month
>after.
>
>Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
>A "no fanfic" rule?

rec.arts.comics.fiction ?  <--As if we talk about non-fiction comics...
rec.arts.comics.fandom ? <--Not a bad idea...
rec.arts.comics.lnh ? <--difficult to create since the alt group exists, and
                         wouldn't you have to show that it's not jsut a fad?

I don't want LNH to be banned from RAC.misc (How the hell can it be
off-topic in a .misc group, anyway???) because the alt group was not
created properly and the legion seems to be pretty good about putting LNH:
in the subject line...

//Karthik Sheka
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
From: isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:31:31 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > How do you know that this is what Jim Lee is doing?  I am just
 > curious since most comic book artwork looks similar, with very, very
 > few  exceptions.  And I wouldn't consider Frank Miller's art an
 > exception.
 > 
 > And when you take an art class, alot of learning how to draw, paint,
 > etc. comes from copying other famous artist.  So, if Jim Lee is
 > copying  Frank Miller, and I am not convinced that he is, so what?
 > If he wants to learn how to draw like Mr. Miller, why shouldn't he?

You obviously have seen neither Frank Miller's current style, nor the Jim
Lee artwork for DARKER IMAGE.  When you do, get back to me on this one.
Frank Miller's present style is so distinctive that there is no mistaking
Lee's inspiration.

As far as your art school comment goes; sure, one might learn figure
drawing or light and shadow from outright COPYING from a master's works;
but when you're in art school doing this, you're doing this to learn
something, in order to build on it.  You don't turn around and sell your
sketches from Michaelangelo just because you know Michelangelo had a 
"hot new style".  If I went and made paintings copying as exactly as I
could the cubist period of Picasso, I'd be laughted out of galleries.
The only reason to buy my paintings would be if the customer liked 
Picasso's style that much, but couldn't afford an original (and didn't
just want a coffee-table book).  On its own, however, without the
analogy to Picasso, my artworks would have no merit, no value at all.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jh173456@prince.carleton.ca ( jh student 173456)
Subject: Re: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:03:37 GMT

In article <i4youB4w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>
>> 	I agree with you--  and I think that this whole Death of Superman hype
>> is only going to backfire on DC.  
>> 	I don't think DC is going to hook any new customers from the Doomsday/
>
>But it has already done so.  All those people who were lined up to buy 
>Superman #75 when most of them obviously never buy comics at all.  DC got 
>unlimited free publicity out of the media, which must have made more of a 
>fuss than they ever expected, and they got people talking about SUperman 
>-- not about comics, but about their principal character -- and, better 
>yet, buying it.
>
>If they were trying to get more new comics readers in general they would 
>have done something else -- high quality writing and art on a consistent 
>basis.  
>
>
>Namaste,
>Elizabeth
>

I don't know abt. the rest of the shops elsewhere, but I think my
local shops blew a great opportunity to bring those casual buyers
back by failing to promote other, more deserving books, while they
had that captive audience buying those bags. =-)

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From: rglass@PCS.CNU.EDU (Randall Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Why do people HATE Image?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:36:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  What is the real reason many people hate Image comics?
 I think just about 90% of the people on the net hate them,
 and not one of them explaining why! (ok, maybe 75%)
  Is it because your favorite artist left your favorite book?
 or that you know your favorite artist will never draw any
 Marvel character ever again? (as in mcfarlanes case).
  OR do you hate image for not doing anything that couldn't be
 done in a marvel comic?
  ORRRR do you hate image for 'stealing' all the good talent 
 from the big 2 (3?4?5?) for their own greedy purposes?
 
 What are your reasons for hating Image?

 As for me, i don't hate them... this is a company founded by artists,
 so i started getting the books for the art (there's nothing else to
 go on at first anyway!). so far the stories are pretty mundane.
 i like Savage Dragon, Spawn (its ok). I get for the art: Wildcats,
 Cyberforce.  I'm interested in Wetworks, Pitt, and Darker Image.
 I will eventually settle down to the books that have GOOD stories.
 (thunder rumbles in the distant......)
 I think it's hard to judge a book with only 2-3 issues out.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Perler)
Subject: Re: Superman hiatus (was Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!)
Originator: mdp2842@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:53:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.145344.16340@news.acns.nwu.edu> jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:
>According to the February Westfield Newsletter, the "Funeral for a Friend"
>storyline will continue until that month (2/93), when all of the Superman
>titles will be put on hiatus. No mention of how long this period was to
>last, but some folks have said that Supes will stay dead for a solid year,
>so look for a return in November of '93. Maybe sooner. I don't know.

I just had a thought about this. The DC Annuals in '93 are all suppose
to be introducing new characters, right? Well, what if this is some kind
of lead-in to a new or resurrected Superman? It would give them the
chance to really hype their books by saying that any one of their Annuals
could have a clue about Superman's return. The timing could be about
right if they extend their Annuals out a little.

Comments?

Mike P.
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman is in the bag... sort of
Date: 22 Nov 1992 05:16:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov22.020031.13431@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>In fact, I've heard that the bags used for polybagging are trash. Supposedly,
>they will deteriorate in a matter of years, ruining the comic inside. Has 
>anyone heard any more about this? I, for ne, would find it quite interesting if
>the only way to preserve bagged books is to remove it from the bag and store 
>all the different parts (cards, posters, etc.) separately. 

  I actually heard this exact thing from Mike Mignola tonight (sat) at a
signing here in Berkeley.  Though, I can't exactly vouch for his knowledge
in the area of polybagging. :)

Mikel B.

oh, and I got a really nice looking Dracula poster signed too :)

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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:

}On such a high profile project, I would have expected the 
}creators to put in a little more effort and to produce something a little 
}more worthwhile.

Except, it does make a kind of perverse sense when you think about it.
Why should they have bothered putting any effort into something that
they knew would sell millions *regardless* of the actual content?  Better
to put that effort into something "normal" that has to actually sell
on its own merits.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: '93 is a'comin'  REPOST
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:20:09 GMT

Cable goes monthly starting March '93...

Secret Defenders
--Dr. Strange: Leader
--Most of the originals (Hulk, Silver Surfer)
--Plus a rotating cast of Team-Ups
----Gambit
----Wolverine
----Spidey
----Ghostrider
----Johnny Blaze
----Nomad

Spidey 2-shot/14-parter
--Tentatively called Spiderman Spectaculars.  A $2.95 2-shot that starts
with book #1, goes thru a 14-part multi-book x-over, culminating in the 
second book.  (That's $2.95 per guys...)

Another X-title: X-Men Chronicles.  $3.95/$4.95, starts of storyline with
a plane crash involving Cyclops/Jean/Prof. X.......

Batman gets a new playmate: Bane.  A 1-shot titled Vengence of Bane.  Notice
that BM is getting some new "situations to handle"...maybe they'll show up
in the cartoon series....$$$$$$

Flint Henry returns..."Law Dogs" by Chuck Dixon....

New Thor..."Thunderstrike" by Masterson, DeFalco and Frenz. March '93....

Ad infinitum...."Infinity Crusade"  by Starlin/Lim.  Six issue multi x-over,
Magus plays a big part....


Wolverine fans: can you say "art by Texeira!"?  Takes over as full-time artist
in '93.....

Marvel moves....it's printing, from Spartan, Illinois to Alabama.  There was
a previous posting on this from someone in Spartan, care to re-iterate?...

Marvel Masterpiece: November 17, 1992................TODAY! (Gotta get to the
shop.....jeez!)

Unity Cards: November 11......old news.



Like Jack the Bear, I'm outta here
Peace.............

PJH
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bernie Wrightson
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:40:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Well, sort of.  Wrightson's next project is from Tundra, and it
>features his Sci-Fi creation Captain Stern.  Funny stuff, lots of
>Zombies.  If you order the latest Tundra Catalogue, there's an 8 page
>preivew inside.  Worth the stamp price, I assure you.  8 pages of
>beautiful Wrightson black and white.
>  On the bad side, the coloring on the series will be by the same
>colorist from the Cult (BLEH!)

Bill Wray can be a great complement to Wrightson sometimes, but at times, he
gives way to his excellent use of subtleness and becomes flat uses too-bright
colors.  I like him, but I think there are better colorists out there for
Wrightson.

>Um, I assume you're talking about A Look Back?  Yes, the book is
>essential for Wrightson fans, but no it is not a NEW retrospective.
>Rather it is a re-release of a limited edition that was published in
>about 1980.  This means that the book only contains Wrightson material
>up until 1979 or so, which is a pity.

That's what it appeared to be.  I was disappointed that it didn't include more
recent material.

>Isn't it great?
>Wrightson penciled a new Swamp Thing book a few years ago for a new
>prestige book with Len Wein.  It was never completed.  I'd love to see
>the pencils, which I know were completed for the first issue at least.

Yes, I remember that.  He abandoned the project after completing the first
issue.  I can't remember exactly why, but I think I remember hearing that he
just didn't feel like doing it.


>> When I met Wrightson in person, I nearly bowed to his aura of omnipotence.
>
>Oh, and when was this, pray tell?

This was about 3-4 years ago in NYC during the summer at the big convention.
There was no one within a hundred feet of him, and I walked up to him and
said, "Are you Bernie Wrightson?"  I couldn't believe that he was sitting
there alone.  That was one of the greatest moments in my comic reading life,
along with meeting Steranko.


>I sort of felt the same way when I met Bisette, but he had a pot-belly
>and it kind of ruined the god-aura.  Nice guy, tho...

Same here.  I have a sketch of his, also.  Very pleasant and helpful person.
I have the best of respect for him.

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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SHORTENING DOOMSDAY...
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:25:00 GMT

...brief suggestion here, kids: Let's stop referring to Doomsday as "DD". It
might confuse the Marvel Zombies out there into thinking they've missed 
another Ann Nocenti travesty :-)

                                                        OM
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman news (from the Lincoln Park MOONDOG'S 11/14)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:15:10 GMT
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences

In article <1992Nov15.090950.2943@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
> 
> Yup, I went there, and met several netters like David Paulier(sp?), and

'Good to finally meet you and Glenn.

> 2)  THE TEMPEST will be drawn by Charles Vess, and will concentrate on
>     the process of writing the play rather than in the play itself.

ObPetTheoryStroking: another instance of the teller finishing his tale and
then buying it (well, the legend goes that Tempest was his last, anyway).

I laid this line on Neil: "I'm worried.  Orpheus, the Rook, and
Scheherazade were all killed by their audiences when their tales ended.
Issue #60 is coming up.  I'm afraid your subconscious is sending us the
wrong message."

His disinterested response: "I'm not responsible for my subconscious."
But he signed my Heliogabalus anyway.

	-dp-
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA