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From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] SO's and drugs
Date: 7 Nov 1992 03:41:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Re: guy who does drugs & girlfriend who is rabidly anti-drugs-
except-alcohol

You listed the choices:

1) Keep your drug use secret.

This is rather bad, unless you do drugs on an irregular basis.
If you are planning on having a meaningful relationship, you
should really give your girlfriend reason to trust you.  By
keeping your drug use secret, you're opening yourself up to
having to lie "Who?  Me?  A drug user?" and your relationship
will probably fall steadily downhill.  Leaving your only choice
as marriage, when not trusting your spouse is only natural.

2) Dump her.

As you said, you really have been going out for four h
years, so it would be a shame to end it now.  However, if you
dump her, you're pretty much saying that you prefer drugs to
her, which can really hurt any remaining friendship you might
still have.  Plus, if you continue your habits despite the
fact that she dislikes them, she may dump YOU.

3) Convince her of the error of her ways.

As you said, it seems she is under the mind control of the 
PDFA.  People already there are notoriously difficult to
convince  otherwise.

Which means you have your work cut out for you if you decide
to try and change hwr
her mind.  You will probably just have to learn to deal 
with her not liking your use.

Of course, there is a fourth option:

4) Stop your own drug use, or use illegal drugs irregularly
instead of regularly.

I was once in your situation, except she treats ALL drugs
that way, including alcohol.  So I decided that I preferred
a living, breathing, loving human being to a piece of
blotter paper, a pile of dried vegetation, and/or a case
of beer, and I gave up drugs.  If you can convince her to
reduce her own alcohol use at th same 
reduce her own alcohol use at the same time that you reduce 
your use of other drugs, you will have solved most of your
problem and forged a lasting compromise, and kept your
girlfriend of four years.

Thats how I see it, anyway...
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Re: Info needed on Spanish Fly !!!!!
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:42:25 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <19200.2af9326b@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9127847h@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>
>Hello to all......
>
>A friend of mine spiked his next door neighbours drink with
>Spanish Fly.... and a few minutes later she was rubbing herself
>and then she tore his clothes off and made passionate love to him...
>
>I was just wondering if Spanish fly really is that good.....and where
>can you purchase this aphrodisiac ?????? 

Real cantharides (sp?) are dried up buggies & deadly poisonous in the wrong 
dose. The only action they have is irritant, which would cause itchiness in the
er, nether regions & possible sexual exitation. I have heard that they also
create dryness in said regions.

To make a long story short, they may get some action going, but if the "victim"
wasn't interested in you in the first place then forget it. 

-Lupo
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.3730@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] DMT & MAOI?
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.3730@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:22:11 GMT


I have read here that the concentration of DMT occuring naturally in
certain plants is not high enough to have any effect when smoked.
Presumably it must be purified or synthesized. But would it be
possible to "activate" that concentration through the simultaneous
ingestion of a MAOI? If so, how could it be done? What are the natural
sources of both substances? What are the dangers? Just curious.
Thanks.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.fan.mike-jittlov,alt.magnus.and.ketil
From: magnus@brisk.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Followup-To: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 22:54:07 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:04:38 GMT, jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel
Alexander Charney) said in alt.drugs:

	Joel> Anyone ever seen the movie "The Wizard of Speed and
	Joel> Time"?  I swear, it must have been made with trippers in
	Joel> mind.  It's about a guy who makes a special-effects
	Joel> short for some budget "Hollywood Studios."  I can't
	Joel> remember much of the plot, but the movie was hilarious
	Joel> and trippy as hell.

I think this should clearify matters somewhat:

Mike Jittlov ( jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu ), would be the last
person in the world to use any kind of drugs! He has a natural spirit,
entusiasm and belief in niceness that beats any surrogate.

The film is "trippy" because Mike is a very happy individual, having
that seldom seen ability of making other people happy too. It really
is hilarious. 

I think you would enjoy the film at least as much without tripping.
There are so many subtle points and fine jokes that you won't catch in
a degenerated mental state. 

Followups to alt.fan.mike-jittlov

-Magnus (!kibo)

PS Mike: Haha! Watch out for the DEA.. :-) DS
From: fm@romeo.caltech.edu (Moore, Fred K.)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: IRC channel #drugs
Keywords: You and me and rainbows.
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:22:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: romeo.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi folks!

I just wanted to tell any of you who use IRC and have never noticed
it that there is a fairly active channel called #drugs.  This
channel among other things is home to my "bot" (LearyBot) which
is capable of DCCing files including all the FAQs, AcidWarp, the 
blotter GIFs, and a whole slew of other stuff.  So check it out
if you want!

PS: please dont EMail me and ask how to use IRC, or DCC, or how to 
write a bot, or to send you a file from the bot, or where to get
suntan lotion, or how to say "I'm a raving lunitic" in Japanese,
or how to use a tounge depressor to extend orgasm, etc.

DISCLAIMER: what I say or type has nothing to do with what I think
let alone what someone who would "put my balls in a sling for
being one of those damn kids on that LSD stuff" might think.  


                           PEACE
                      >>> CyberDog <<<
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:18340 talk.politics.drugs:7460
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Better coercion?
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:04:32 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

Coersion:

The problem that I see with arguing that criminalization is necessary
in order to provide for coersive treatment, is that it has not been
shown that coersive treatment is necessary.  In fact it has been shown
that there exist at least two distinct drug users:  (I) the expirimental
users that are actually *better* adjusted than the non-users, and (II)
then the heavy abusers/addicts (less well adjusted than both other
categories).

It can be most easily seen that the rationale breaks down when you
consider "type I" users.  They don't need *any* treatment -- much less
coersive treatment.  To my knowledge all of my friends fall into this
category -- I don't know of any of them that fall into the other
category.  All of us would view "coersive treatment" as propaganda or
brainwashing.  Clinton stated that his boot camp idea would be to 
"instill moral values" or some other bullshit like that.  I don't want
*his* moral values, thank you very much, I've developed my own already
and they're not likely to change -- *especially* if you try and force me
to change -- that is guaranteed to be counter productive. 

As for the other category, the best idea there is not to spend money on
coersive treatment, but to wait until the drug user *WANTS TO QUIT* and
then provide them with treatment.  That is the optimal situation.  The
only exception I could see to this would be if a person is convicted of
a seperate crime and it is determined that they also have a substance
abuse problem.  Then (and only then) it can be argued that  
a person's substance abuse problem is having a detrimental effect
on society.  Otherwise, the substance abuse should not be considered to
have a detrimental effect on society -- any more than any other negative
personal habits have on society.

And as far as providing treatment goes there needs to be radical 
changes.  In the first place, emphasis needs to be placed on programs
that try to effect the underlying causes of the substance abuse.  
Comprehensive psychiatric evaluations, relapse prevention methods, 
pharmacotheraputic treatment, and in particular controlled use or
and methadone (or methadone-like) treatments need to be expanded.  AA
and "tough love"-type treatments simply aren't effective in large
portions of the population.  The former has lousy relapse rates and
is critisized for its reliance on "higher powers", while the latter
often leads to simply treatment by abuse.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: More misinformation????(X-stasy)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:29:14 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>Maybe, maybe not.  According to "Ecstasy: The MDMA Story" by Bruce Eisner,
>responsible researchers will not administer it to anyone with high blood

I have met Bruce. I consider him pretty reliable.
-- 
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HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs

In alt.drugs, ap.6156@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:


>Are there any remaining head shops in the Boulder/Denver area.
>Especially interesting would be those shops selling acrylic and glass
>water pipes.  Due to Operation Pipe they all seem to have disappeared.

If ya get desperate, drive up to Ft. Colins.  Just across from the university
is one of the few shops left.  Can't remember the name, but it was still there
just a few weeks ago.  Lots of wares.....
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] hbwr
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:18:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct27.055239.19328@u.washington.edu> ap.5975@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>Subject: hbwr
>
>A few months back I tried some HBWR seeds.
>
>I experienced nothing: no sickness, but no other interesting effects, either.  
>
>Overated, as far as I can tell.  Just not in the same class as
>the other weeds/fungi/chemicals we all know and love.  (But if it was,

  weel,^H^HI heave been ^H^HUsin^H^Hseverael^H^Hhundred
of thes^H^He seeds for a^H^cuple of ^H^Hyaers know^H
and heave not^H^H had aeny prooblems yeat

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: A quick question...
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:09:36 GMT


In article <92311.155040WRL101@psuvm.psu.edu> <WRL101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>    This may seem strange, but every time I smoke marijuana I fail to get high
> I dont mean that I feel no effect; just that I don't react to it like every-
> one says you should. While my friends are all giggling and buzzing, I just
> get really muddy-headed and sleepy. Is this really abnormal or what?

	Do you have fun doing it?  If so, then there's really no
reason to consider yourself abnormal.  Nobody is alike one another.
If you aren't having fun smoking pot, perhaps you should stop.

--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: kisaacso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin "Zonker" Isaacson)
Subject: Re: Acid activities
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 10:54:10 GMT

[all sorts of quoted followups deleted]

As far as good movies to watch on acid, my opinions are as follows:

"The Wall" - An all time classic, but DON'T try to watch it for the first time
on acid.  Watch it a few times and figure it out before you trip.  That way
you can sit back and just watch the animation and reflect on its meaning which
is of course greatly enhanced on acid.

"Heavy Metal" - The ABSOLUTE BEST movie to watch on acid (and straight also).
Great animation, humorous script, !rocking! music.  Can't beat it.

"A Clockwork Orange" - Definitely not.  Seems like a good idea before you
trip, but once you are there this movie simply freaks you out (or me at least).

"The Doors" - Has its ups and downs.  Parts of this movie (like the scene
where they are tripping in the desert) can make you feel like you are on
acid even when you arent.  The latter part of the movie can get depressing
and boring if you are tripping, but I would recommend it overall.

In addition, any Star Wars/Trek movie is good for its special effects.
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and Wayne's World are also good, especially
for countering any potential bad trips.

The best idea, however, is to go to a laser show at the planetarium (or
just as good, the regular stars and planets program).  Nothing can compare
to the sound and images generated by one of these shows.



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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Subject: Re: shawn reddy
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:29:46 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
>: 
>: >IS this some vein attempt at religion?  Don't you have something better to do?
>: >Go baptize someone, for Christ's sake...
>: 
>: Well, for whose sake could you possibly baptize someone, if not for Christ's?

>Oh - a few hundred sundred deities besides the Christian ones. Or, for no
>deity at all. 

>Bill

Oh, I thought baptism was a Christian thing.


     Ulrich Mayring
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid info...can't get up
Keywords: seven hits and nothing
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:11:46 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

chumbach@carina.unm.edu (Charles S. Humbach) writes:
>I think you might have been ripped off. A friend of a friend of mine
>has dosed every 3 days for 3 weeks at a time only having to increase  
>the dose 25-50% each time.

I think you've just discovered how drugs effect different people in
different ways.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: More misinformation????(X-stasy)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:36:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.143554.8465@aston.ac.uk> braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (DL BRAIN) writes:
>bought several tabs of what were sold as X and none of them actually contained
>MDMA.  The tabs contained anything from MDA, MDA/Aphetamine, LSD/Aphetamine to
>pure cafine...(geees what would 2g of cafine do to you)
>

Somewhat less than what 2g of any of the other chemicals listed would do...

>I have also heard a story via a few friends about someone who bought some
>X and their parents found it, and due to the fact that their dad was into
>chemistry and had the contacts, sent it off to be analysed, it came back as
>having been pure caffine in a capusle.
>

Yeah and a guy I know was stoned and bought a bag of moss he thought was pot.
Dumb people get duped all the time.


>There have been a few cases in Britain of people dying of brain heamorages and 
>the like after aledgedly taking X.

Highly unlikely that this is true.



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From: cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck)
Subject: Re: Guarana
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:14:43 GMT

rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.201010.7235@nntp.hut.fi>
>	k35647d@taltta.hut.fi (Sari Susanna Turunen) writes:
>>Does anyone know about guarana? Can you compare it with any *drug? Guarana
>>is a root from Brazil (the Amazonas). The indians used (and still do,
>>I guess) it for staying awake for long periods. Now it's easy to get it
>>from any pharmacy in Brazil.

>Believe it or not, it is also incredibly easy to get in Salt Lake
>City, Utah (hah! and you thought we were all backwards!).

>The local "rave" club has been selling "think drinks", some of which
>contain guarana extract.  And yes, it did keep me awake :).

>							-- Rich
>-- 
>	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
>Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
>UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
>Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer

actually its incredibly easy to get anywhere there's a general nutrition center.

comes in little capsules or even a do-it-yourself powder if i remember correctly

and indeed, guarana does contain a naturally occurring CNS stimulant. its called
caffeine. woooo.  stick to coffee, its cheaper.


-- 
Chuck Falzone
cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: life,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Bad Trips and their affect on normal
Keywords: anonymous
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:33:26 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

ap.6372@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:

> It's really too bad.  All I'm asking is -- out of all of you who have had
> "bad trips," does it get better?  I mean, will I stop (not having
> flashbacks) remembering some of the images and being scared by them?  I'm
> really sorry I ever tried acid now -- though at the time, I thought I was
> learning a lot about myself and perceptions of things.
> 
> To those out there who have had bad trips, am I just being paranoid, or
> does it really affect your life?  I guess I "unlearned" some visual things
> that I used to ignore...?  Whatever it is, I hope it goes away...

I empathize with your position. I've known a fair number of others who 
describe similar experiences, and a similar revulsion and lasting fear 
from using psychedelics. They can be incredible powerful, that's for 
sure.

I don't think you've said enough about yopur experiences for anyone to 
give you a really useful opinion. The fear comes from inside, from the 
brain and body, like a post-traumatic stress effect. Wether or not your 
fear and 'touchiness' will fade depends on you, and the nature and 
structure of your fear.

But, generally speaking, my experience is that the automated, persistent 
fear does subside. However, something that one could call 'flashbacks' of 
fear will always be a possibility, whenever your 'subconcious mind' get's 
triggered by circumstances, symbols, or what-have-you... The best way to 
deal with it is to remind yourself vigorously that the fear is chemical 
and biological, to accept it, in a sense. Or rather, let's say, "_A_ best 
way...", cause each individual deals with their internal fear in whatever 
way best suits them.

The fear is the worst part-- that automatic fight-flight firing of the 
adrenals, and the feeling that something _bad_ is about to happen. All 
the other effects, with vision, etc, are pretty easy to handle, even a 
little  fun, almost useful (as a litmus test for your state of mind, 
etc.). Maybe you should check with an optometrist and get new lenses, 
though. ;-)

A more difficult approach is to try to let the fear teach you about 
yourself, to go for a 'breakthrough'. Lot's of times this involves some 
real suffering. If you don't have a strong, supportive environment It 
might be better to just relax, let the fear subside, and concentrate on 
the business of day-to-day living.

Later, Bill
From: ck041@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Currie)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Indoor Pot Growing
Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:20:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



	Is there an FAQ on pot growing?   Does anybody know much about
growing them indoors?  How much light,water, etc??
 
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 Raging mad insanity!!"  - S.T.     |      ag816@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] SO's and drugs
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:44:11 GMT

In <1992Nov4.102756.442@lrc.edu> twiggs_te@lrc.edu writes:
>	Simple solution:  Put the MDMA powder in her drink while she's not
>aware.  I've done this to several people, including a religious extremist, 
>and every one of them thanked me for it.  How could you be mad at someone
>for making you feel like that?  Unless, of course, it's bad stuff.  Just 
>test it first and make DAMN SURE it's richter powder.

Anyone who does this deserves to be dumped into a roomfull of spiders
and snakes while tripping on about a milligram of LSD.

DON'T DOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.  They very well may
freak, AND BAD.



As for teaching your uptight, anti-illegal things girlfriend the error
of her ways, I'd just hammer on the fact that for her, alcohol is
just as illegal.

If I couldn't find some way to send the message home, she's not worth
it.  Closed minds do not mature well, and you may kinda like her now,
but in 20 years I'll bet you'd be ready to kill her.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
     Buy you books, and buy you books, and all you do is eat the covers...
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