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From: weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller)
Subject: Cost of giving birth???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:50:04 GMT

I live in Las Cruces NM and am going to have a baby in October.  I
have an 80-20 health insurance plan and was wondering how much having
a baby costs. 

If I have a normal birth, what is the approximate cost?  My OB doctor
will charge $1325.  The hospital around $1800 (for 1.25 days care).
I understand there needs to be an an anesthesiologist on hand, and
that there is also a pediatrician fee for a physical after the birth.
Are there any other expenses I do not know about?

What is the approximate cost if I need a C-section?  What % of births
are C-Sections?  I am curious as to the likelihood I will need one.
What addditional costs are accrued with a C-Section?

I realize that costs vary from case to case and region to region, but
if I could get several responses and average them out I might get a
ballpark figure of what I need to put away to save for this event.

Thank you for the help.

Bonnie
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Otoscopes for home use
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:33:47 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov


In article <24856@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, 
lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger) writes:

>One more question --- has anybody purchased one of these home
>devices for looking in the ear? Are they worthwhile? My
>pediatrician discouraged it, saying we wouldn't really be able to
>see anything, but if she can, why can't we? 

my pediatrician said that the signs of an ear infection
can be subtle..and are noted only after seeing lots of
them. he urged me to bring in my child whenever i felt
there was a chance of an ear infection. i took him up
on his word. and believe me there were lots of visits
(and there were false alarms). but with the false alarms
i never got any flak. of course i had to hassle with
taking off from work, etc. but i figured that was all
part of the life with an infant. 



-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lisa@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:52:25 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Jul28.031113.10985@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>Well,  here is another thing to think about. Before monitors Nurses were
>trained to listen using an instrument called (I think) a fetasope. Let me
>repeat that, nurses *USED TO BE* trained to use that device.


True - and back in the old days there used to be more nurses - now
there are fewer and these days chances of actually getting the kind of 
attention needed (monitoring every 15 minutes) is much lower.

Another thing to think about - if your doctor or midwife is only
going to run a short 15-30 minute strip on you when you arrive and then 
disconnect the electronic monitor what are they going to do after that???
I would be most unhappy to hear they didn't plan on further monitoring
of the fetus.

---lisa leutenegger
   lleut@watson.ibm.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:07:12 EDT
From: <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Otoscopes for home use

>>One more question --- has anybody purchased one of these home
>>devices for looking in the ear? Are they worthwhile? My
>>pediatrician discouraged it, saying we wouldn't really be able to
>>see anything, but if she can, why can't we?
>>
>
>My mom is a Nurse Practitioner in Pediatrics, and she has one. It is really
>nice to have her peer in Jeffrey's ear whenever we are doubtful. She has been
>the first to diagnose all but one of his 4 ear infections (she was out of town
>for the other one). She has had a lot of training/practice in this sort of
>thing. Apparently it is not that easy a thing to do. There is a lot of time
>when she will look in his ear and say that it is sort of unclear, then look a
>few hours later, and rediagnose. It isnt as easy as looking in and seeing
>an infection.
>
>Laura Floom

A friend of mine is a pediatrician who recently joined a practice after several
years in an academic position.  She told me that she often calls in one of the
other doctors to confirm her diagnosis when she is checking a child's ears.  So
even for a doctor who has been trained to use an otoscope, it really takes a
lot of practice.

Carol Fischer (CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu)
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19785 sci.med:14589
From: wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:23:41 GMT
Reply-To: wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales)
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles

Regarding Rhogam (the antibody injection given to an Rh- woman to pre-
vent Rh disease), my understanding is that it needs to be given after a
miscarriage as well as after childbirth.

The previous posters are correct in saying that this procedure has elim-
inated most concern about Rh disease in civilized countries today.

--
Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department
3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: vacationing w/o baby
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:40:04 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Jul20.203534.24972@news.eng.convex.com>
newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
 
>anyway, jack keeps saying two things: 1) she'll be fine and 2) we'd be
>crazy not to go.  we are going, even i know that much.  but do any of
>you have some kind words to help ease my anxiety?
>
>please don't tell me stories about how your child ignored you after your
>vacation away and ended up a serial killer in some federal prison.  happy
>stories only!
>
>thanks,
>veek
  (This is not a story about vacation; having a baby is not a vacation!)  When
I had my second, my first was 19 months old.  What made me feel better about
leaving her with someone was to have plenty of help for that person.  Then I
knew she was getting plenty of attention and the person caring for her would
not feel overwhelmed.
  My father-in-law and a close family friend shared taking care of my daughter
so that my husband and I could spend time together with the new baby.  I never
worried about her safety, which is usually my biggest concern.
  If you have someone to help your mother-in-law, start now to introduce the
baby to that person.  You will have seen that the baby enjoys her babysitter
and that will help you when you are thinking about them on your cruise (lucky
you!).
  We tried to take a vacation (1 night!) away from our kids and left them at
our house with the same friend (who had been a nurse, had known our daughter
since she was born, had the usual experiences of babysitting when she was a
teen-ager).  The friend told us later that she had never been so frazzled and
busy as when taking care of our toddler daughter and 8-month-old son.
  Not only were we gone just one night, but we were 20 minutes away (by car)
and I still worried and I still called that night and the next morning!
        Good Luck!
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sydneyk@sequent.com (Sydney Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Need help with Assisting my child with dyslexia
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:52:54 GMT

My seven year old still occasionally writes backwards, my five year old
writes backwards and forwards with equal ease.  I'd say it is too soon
for you to have serious concerns about it.

In article <64247@hydra.gatech.EDU> ad4@prism.gatech.EDU (Angela Dubose) writes:
>
>        Once again, hello, misc.kid folks.  I need some advice...  My
>daughter, Mandy, who will soon be five is still writing backwards.  My
>brother has dyslexia and I found out recently that it runs in my mother's
>side of the family.  I have quizzed the doctor previously in this regards
>and was told that a lot of children write letters backwards when they
>are first learning and to just wait and see if she outgrows it, however,
>that was over a year ago.  I, due to my mother's recent death and going
>through her personal items, found a bunch of my brother's earlier writing
>attempts before he worked through learning how to cope with dyslexia and
>compensate for it, and his writing looks exactly like Mandy's.  I have
>quizzed my brother on how I should handle this with Mandy to help her
>learn to compensate and how to explain to her what it is that she is
>compensating for and he says that he doesn't remember anything that mom
>did, just that he had one very extremely stressful year - THAT he still
>DOES remember.  With her fixing to start kindergarten I would like to know
>now if the school has any programs to deal with this and what I can do at
>home to help her deal with this also.
>
>        Mandy has her physical for school on August 4th and I intend to
>pen the doctor down at that time for any advice and help she can give at
>that time.  The next day I'll register her for school and find out if they
>have any special programs (couldn't register her until her physical is done -
>couldn't get her physical sooner due to everybody getting scheduled for
>physicals to start school - did schedule one earlier and found out at that
>time that she had an ear and eustachian tube infection and they couldn't
>do the exam until this was cleared up).
>
>        But, more specifically, those of you who have dyslexia and those of
>you who have children who do - please pass on any experiences that will be
>helpful, readings, suggestions, courses of action, etc.  All of this will be
>greatly appreciated.  Also, for my own information, from those of you who are
>dyslexic, would you please tell me of how this has affected you or made you feel
>so I can help Mandy deal with these feelings and be a little better prepared
>to deal with it myself.
>
>        Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.  Sorry so lengthy.
>
>        Thanks in advance.
>-- 
>DUBOSE,ANGELA R
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ad4
>Internet: ad4@prism.gatech.edu
From: plaice@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Marcie Plaice)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 22 Jul 1992 11:39:43 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In <18475@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian) writes:

>In article <19350@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>|> By 10:00, I was having a lot of trouble dealing with the contractions,
>|> since I wasn't getting any rest between them.  I had hoped to avoid
>|> pain medication, since I tend to react very strongly to such things,
>|> but I was really hurting and starting to panic slightly.  Marjorie ran
>|> interference with the medical staff, and explained that I'd rather
>|> have Nubane than Demerol, and they called my OB who okayed it.
>|> Apparently, Demerol is more commonly used at the hospital.  

>My OB said that they most commonly use Stadol. Any comments on Stadol
>vs. Nubane and Demerol? I've heard that it's a newer, better replacement
>for Demerol, but that's about all I know.

I had Stadol in my labor.  They administered it when I was 6 cm
(this was about noon).  The nurse told me it would last one hour,
but they could only administer it every 2 hours.  The effects of
it were totally gone for me in less than 45 minutes, and I was only
at about 7.5 cm.  They couldn't give me any more medication for 
another 1.25 hours and by then they figured I'd be pushing.  In my
case, I'd have preferred they encourage me to wait (but how was any-
one to know what my progression rate would be) or they give me 
something that had a longer lasting effect.  Just my .02


>-- 
>Sharon Badian
>AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
>seb1@druhi.att.com
-- 
Marcie Plaice
Keyboard Operator II
Kansas State University
From: navon@cs.unc.edu (Jaime Navon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: baby stars
Keywords: TV
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:31:31 GMT

Hi there,
I have a friend who would love to have her baby in
TV commercials (???).  The baby (20 month) is in fact pretty 
cute.  Any hint of where to start ? (send a picture
or video to somebody) Anybody has had some experience
with this kind of thing ?  Thanks.

       ___/    ___/    ___/  _/     _/   ____/  Jaime Navon [navon@cs.unc.edu]
       _/   _/    _/   _/   _/_/ _/_/   _/      University of North Carolina
      _/   _/___/_/   _/   _/  _/ _/   ___/     Dept.of Computer Science
 _/  _/   _/    _/   _/   _/     _/   _/        707C Hibbard Dr.
_____/   _/    _/  ___/  _/     _/   _____/     Chapell Hill,NC 27514
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:08:03 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Jul29.201849.16412@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <2080@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>>[stuff deleted]
>>>That way they won't give you an epidural.  I can't imagine
>>> having a tube stuck in my back.  Ow!  Since my doctor (Ms.
>>> Demoral) didn't show up, I escaped that also.  I can't
>>> imagine an iv sticking in my arm either.
>>
>>Hey, I don't care if you believe in drugs during labor or not.
>>But to suggest that the pain of inserting the epidural (which
>>in most cases ELIMINATES the pain of labor) is of any significance
>>AT ALL compared to the pain of labor is beyond my comprehension.
>>For those of you yet to deliver, do not let this issue (pain of
>>inserting/wearing epidural) deter you if you would otherwise 
>>opt for an epidural.
>>
>>Chris
>
>  Yeah, but I've had MORE THAN ONE friend tell me that
>  the epidural was the most painful part of it all.
>  One friend said that it took all her human will
>  power not to sink her teeth into the nurse's
>  arm.  I went through the pain of labor and I didn't
>  think it was so bad that I wanted to bite the nurse!
>  And my friend who had the spinal said it was the
>  worse and she had headaches afterwards.  Regular
>  labor pains go away as soon as the contraction
>  stops.  And the pain doesn't last too long.
>
>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>  is better.

I experienced both.  I got an epidural when the decision was made to
do a c-section.  I don't remember feeling the needle at all.  It was
nothing to compare to pitocin contractions.  Actually, the epidural
needle insertion was better than the actual delivery.  I guess they
couldn't get enough "stuff" in my body to completely numb it out; they
tried several times, but I still felt mild pain when they were 
pulling (and pulling and pulling) Rachel out.

Kathie

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Perms, Dyes, and pregnancy ????
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:34:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ePJL6G00WB2M1dUNl
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Do that many people really do these dangerous things while pregnant?  Geeze,
you're not even supposed to be around the fumes, let alone have the stuff
soak into your scalp and then into your bloodstream!  My barber (she hates
the word hairdresser) wasn't even allowed to be in the shop when a perm or
coloration was being done, she learned about these dangers in beauty school!

-Shirl

PS: I am quite down too, I lighten my waist length hair and am not looking
forward to 9 months of roots!
From: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: vacationing w/o baby
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:43:57 GMT
Reply-To: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



One thing you should also consider is the importance of your child
spending time with her grandparents.  What a wonderful opportunity
this will be for all of you.  My parents left me with my grandparents
when I was less than a year old for 2 weeks.  Of course I don't remember
anything from that time, but I do know that I always had a very loving,
very wonderful, very special relationship with my grandparents.

Also, keep in mind that is important for you and your husband to
spend time together too.  It's hard to leave your child, I know,
especially when your working, but I think all-in-all everyone will
benefit from this brief separation.

Good luck! and have fun!

Nancy,  mother to Luke (13.5 months) and mother-to-be of ? (3/3/93)
From: bad1@druhi.ATT.COM (Bruce A. Dorrough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lefthanded Items
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:44:55 GMT
Reply-To: bad1@druhi.ATT.COM (Bruce A. Dorrough)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver

In article <kerri.14@admin.acadiau.ca> kerri@admin.acadiau.ca (KERRI BREWSTER) writes:
>The postings recently, and the responses I've received personally about my 
>question regarding items made for lefthanders, bring up an interesting topic:
>
>What do parents need to know/do to help their lefthanded children master 
>skills? For instance, there has been some excellent discussion about helping 
>children learn to write (and unfortunately, there are STILL some people who 
>insist on forcing right-handed methods on lefties). I remember when I was 
>learning to write, that teachers actually tried to force lefties to use 
>their right hands instead.
>
>Cheers -- Kerri


Kerri

  I am left handed and I went some of the same things Teresa went 
through in school.  I remember getting an "F" for penmanship, it 
was very devastating to me since I tried so hard to do it correctly 
(I was an A student).  Luckily most schools no longer grade penmanship.  
My daughter (8yrs old) is also left handed. It has been easier for her
since I know some of the pitfalls of a right handed world being pushed 
onto the left handed people.

Here are my opinions on some things you can do to help a left handed
child:  


Let them know there is only one difference at physical tasks as the 
right handers, their handedness.  A left handed person can be as dextrous 
as any one else (if not more so since they are forced to do many right 
handed tasks).

Don't worry about when they first start writing and they get some 
letters backwards. They eventually get things right by the time 
they are in 3rd grade. 

There are certain items you should buy for left handers (scissors, mits,
musical instruments, etc.) They may also favor some right handed equipment. 
  I use right handed golf clubs, a right handed cello-because I was FORCED 
  to learn it right handed, of course I learned guitar left handed because 
  no one forced me to do it right handed (I am more skilled on the guitar).

When you try to teach a left hander a skill don't dwell on their left handedness
to much, just remember their way to hold something is usually just the 
opposite of a right hander. Many left handers can look at you holding it just
like they were looking in a mirror. So, when you show them how to hold something
pretend you are looking at a mirror. (If you are not a visual type person I don't
know how to help you teach a left hander how to hold an item).

I hope some of this helps.


--
____________________________________________________________STOP
Bruce A. Dorrough                                      __o   
AT&T Bell Labs    rm# 30-J77                          -\<, 
Denver, Colo.   (303)538-1927     druhi!bad1 .........0/-0
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: to fans of "Schoolhouse Rock"
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:22:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92203.012231IO81409
 <1992Jul17.153625.21010@u.washington.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maine System

nonononono

Interjections
Show excitement
Or emotion
[???]
Or by a comma when the feeling's not as strong.

the one i found most useful was:

how, where or when,
condition or reason,
these questions are answered
when you use an adverb.

and of course the ones that did the times tables.  i can still
sing the threes one.  i don't remember the adjectives one
anymore, but i rememember using it to ace an english test in
middle school.  (well, we didn't have middle schools back then,
but anyway...)
                                         -ailsa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Please Help Mother of Two
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:28:37 GMT



Some of you may remember Sherry Tatar.  She recently lost her net
access, and she needs advice.  I am posting this for her; to reply,
please *don't* hit "r."  Instead, please email Sherry directly at:
ihlpb!statar@cbnewse.att.com

Sherry has two daughters:  Jessica is two years old, and Kathy is two
months old.  Since Kathy was born, life has been very difficult at the
Tatar residence.  The problem isn't Kathy, it's Jessica and her
adjustment to the new baby.  

Things Jessica is doing and Sherry would like advice about include:

hitting and throwing things at the baby

misbehaving while Sherry is nursing

being actively defiant at all times 

not listening

Sherry's mother described Jessica as out of control.  Sherry and her
husband are trying to get more structure into Jessica's life (more of
a regular bedtime, being more consistent with certain rules).  Their
lives are all chaotic, especially when the baby gets day and night
reversed, which Sherry would also like advice about.

Most of all, Sherry would just like to hear from people who have lived
through this and/or can give her some perspective.  She needs support!

Please email her if you can help her.  She is very stressed and misses
the net in a big way.

Thanks very much,

June Cummins Lewis

-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Old Tom Chapin show
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:39:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92206.113948CLH7
Organization: Penn State University

A recent post about kid tapes by Tom Chapin reminded me of a Saturday show I
would watch sometimes as a bored teenager.  Tom Chapin was the host and he
would start off with some word and then take it in a strange direction.
Like ball, some balls bounce, bouncing balls are made from rubber, rubber
comes from a plant,...  and then show some short clip about making rubber.
He always sang a song or two along the way.

Anyway, does anyone else remember this show, it's name, I haven't seen it in
years....Just wondering.

Chris
From: larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things we swore we'd never do!
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:19:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Jul31.140128.12018@ra.oc.com> jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken) writes:
>Oh, Yes!  I admit to this.  This is the test of being a Mother: to
>spittle or not to spittle... I thought it was GROSS when my mother did
>it to me, but I just can not stop myself from cleaning that darling
>face of that last smudge of _________. :-) 


One of the reasons we loved our grandmother so much is that when she did
that to us, she had us like her hankie with *our*own* spit before she
cleaned our faces.
--
Tracy Larrabee		larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu