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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: carbon brakes [was: something about the Honda RA168E engine]
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:18:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4oF7.MFt
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake) writes:

>[stuff about brakes and pistons deleted, half of the "why not motors"
>question also accidentally deleted]
>: not being able to use composites in stuff like connecting rods, because
>: you can't really put a wrist pin in it, as well as the resin couldn't with-
>: stand that much heat. But, if a piston could, I don't see why a rod couldn't.
>: Kap Parfrey is the resident expert on composites here. Would you be so kind
>: as to help here, Kap?????????
>: 
>Well, not being Kap, I'll stick my 2c (Oz) in.

>I remember that in the early-to mid 80's a mob in the USoA were racing a
>sports car with a carbon fibre motor.  The only bits that were not
>carbon were the pistons and combustion chambers, for heat reasons. 
>(noting that Cosworth now provides ceramic topped pistons it should be
>possible to solve that, too).

>No references, I'm afraid - I think it was a towards/beyond 2000 doco.

>My reasons why not?  Carbon doesnot offer remachinablity.  Plus the cost
>would be horrific, even by F1 standards.

>These are the reasons given by the bike racers for not using carbon
>chassis (they tend to move their motors around in the frame a lot).

>Comments from the more knoweledgeable?

>Conrad (who cannot spelle todaye^h)
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    Well, I remember an IMSA engine made by Amoco of all plastics-most
of it made from the specific plastic Torlon. I saw the car in person, and
they handed out info and specs for the engine. The coolest thing about it
was that a 3 litre engine weighed about 250 lbs- a strong guy could pick up
an engine that put out 300+ hp. WOW! Anyway, that was last year, and I don't
have the info with me. Maybe someone else has it, or if anyone is interested,
I could possibly dig up the stuff. 

Cory
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Indy @ Laguna Seca
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:24:11 GMT

I was wondering where I can get tickets and the weekend schedule of events???
I was assuming that the tickets can be picked up at a Bass Ticket outlet.

Also, I will be taking pictures and was curious where at Laguna Seca the
choice spots are (walking and grandstands) ?  I have heard that the corkscrew
is one great place for pictures, are there any others??

BTW, does anyone have the typical cost of the tickets for just Saturday?

Thanks in advance for the information.

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From: graeme@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Graeme)
Subject: Second Williams driver next year...
Summary: English drivers only for williams...
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:54:58 GMT

The morning news (Oct.8) claims Williams will announce their second
driver for next year later this month; he will be chosen from
Brundle or Damon Hill.

Any confirmation?
Graeme.

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Mansell (Indy or F1 ?)
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:57:45 GMT

In article <71839236012614@c00484-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>No current F1 car (or a '93 F1 car) would meet '93 CART/IndyCar rules.
>I fully expect Nigel Mansell to be racing a Lola T93/00-Ford/Cosworth XB.

quite.  in fact, it would be fairly silly to even consider running
the current flat bottomed F1 cars in the middle of an Indy 500 against
all the mild ground effects Indy cars.  and we haven't even started
discusing the different tire rules, and how they affect the car design.

richard
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From: rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Bob_Wise)
Subject: Re: Auto tranny fluid in manual gearbox
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:25:23 GMT
Organization: MCI

In article <1992Oct14.025313.9642@thumper> meier@thumper (Christopher Meier) writes:
>So, does anyone have a pro/con analysis for the use of
>automatic transmission fluid in a manual gearbox for
>racing purposes?  My particular application is the
>Ford 4spd used on their 4cyl cars (don't have the
>part # at hand :-) ) on oval tracks, second gear
>mostly, with no during race shifts.  Maybe this
>winter I'll take one apart and look for problems.
>
>Chris
>-- 
>
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>@ meier%thumper@src.honeywell.com           Andover, MN 55304-1456


The BW T-5 requires use of ATF instead of 90W, due to the fact
that the 90W doesnt splash around enough.

I would use synthetic ATF in your trans and go.

-Bob
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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Winston Cup at NHIS !
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:11:30 EDT

Even though this news doesn't involve PMS (Prost
Mansell Senna), I'm surprised no one else has
posted it yet :-). NASCAR has confirmed that
New Hampshire International Speedway will have
a Winston Cup race in 1993. The date is July
11, with a Busch GN race scheduled as the
Saturday attraction. This addition brings
the anticipated 1993 NASCAR schedule to
30 races.
 
 
 
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From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde)
Subject: Re: MRN coverage of Charlotte?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:07:36 GMT

In article <adams.718990494@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
|> tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula) writes:
|> 
|> >I usually watch the NASCAR races on TV and also listen to them on MRN.
|> >My local MRN station had the race on Sunday all right, but it wasn't MRN.
|> >I think it was called the "Performance Racing Network (PRN?)."  Anybody
|> >have any info on this?  Does PRN and MRN both cover races, and my local
|> >station just decided to switch.  Or was this a one-time deal?  Kinda like
|> >how TBS and TNN are trying to emulate the good job ESPN has been doing for
|> >years.
|> >In my opinion, PRN was certainly nowhere near the quality of MRN.  
|> 
|> I believe that PRN is Charlotte's own racing network...they carry the two
|> Charlotte races...I don't know if they carry any others.

I believe I heard they will cover the Atlanta races, but that track is also 
owned by the same people.  NASCAR, or at least International Speedway 
Corp. or Bill France, does own MRN.  
|> 
|>  -Steve
|> --
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The TV coverage was a little better than the job at Richmond, but TBS still
has a long way to go.  Was their director's favorite game "Follow The Leader".
I listen to a lot of the race on the radio, while watching the TV, and the
TV crew missed a lot of racing further back in the pack.

                                      ___/,@___  Dave Hinde, Last Minute Racing
                                     /_o_____o_| dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Rules update
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:53:20 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 14OCT199223023473@utarlg.uta.edu, b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu
(George M. Smiley) writes:

> In case you missed Speedworld. . .

> IndyCars have been granted permission to
> run at most 6 races outside U.S/Canada but
> they all must be ovals. 

> . . .Surfers Paradise isn't a oval
> and it is on the 93 schedule, so I don't think CART cares
> too much about getting FISA's permission to race.

As clearly stated on ESPN's Speedworld, and mentioned in other
postings, the six oval races are in *addition* to the existing event at
Surfers Paradise.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>

     Sloppy thinking gets worse over time
				- Jenny Holzer
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Drivers
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:47:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: aa.1992Oct8.134738.11707
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <97176@bu.edu>, nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes...
> 
>- Why do ESPN commentators refer to Mansell as the "most popular F1 driver?"
> 
Could it possibly be because the commentators are actually present at the
races, and get to observe the reactions of the spectators?

Naw -- how could they know more, or have more valid opinions, than all of
r.a.s. sitting on their collective rears in front of their keyboards??

Seriously: why do so many of you appear to believe that the collective
opinion in this news group is in any way representative of what the average
race goer thinks?  After all, if the hatred spewed at Mansell/Senna/Prost/
*.Andretti here was representative of the spectators' feelings, why would
they be paying the price of tickets/travel/accomodations to go see those
fellows in person?

Perhaps we need a new subgroup under r.a.s. for the minority of us that
actually like and respect the drivers.  (Nicos: I'm just venting my spleen.
Your original question was perfectly reasonable.)

Dave Wilson
Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:11133 rec.autos.tech:13812
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:12:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <BvtuBK.Dx4@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:
>My friends new argument, is that one usually gets worse
>gas mileage on heavier treaded tires (snow, M & S etc.) then on summer
>tires.  Thus, he argues this proves that the reason racers use slicks is for
>mileage, but we use treaded for better traction...

First off, your harebrained friend needs to be shown that snow tires 
have *less* contact area than "summer" tires. Snow tires require large,
widely-spaced tread blocks to push into the snow and provide some grip.
Summer tires have much narrower drainage grooves simply because they
only have to "push into" much less viscous water, rather than snow and
slush. So, his claim that more contact area universally means less 
mileage is false in this case. Snow tires weigh more than "summer"
tires, so they give poorer mileage.
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From: met@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Millam Tackitt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:46:32 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

In article <1992Oct11.215820.7913@schbbs.mot.com> CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
>
>Then how come it's taken so long for the FoMoCo Blue Oval to wrangle the
>NASCAR Manufacturers Cup away from the Bowtie Brigade?  Let's see if the
>Ford camp can string together another eight MCs together - NOT!
>
>Craig Witkowski                   Have you OUTdriven a Ford lately?
>                                  I have (constantly!)
>                                  :-)    :-)     :-)

Now that there is a fair and impartial tech-man running the show
for NASCAR, instead of one who was bought and paid for by GM, FORD
now stands a chance of attaining as many as they can.
In the past NASCAR has shown flagrantly that they only wanted GM to
win the cups. If you don't believe me do a little checking into the
difference in fines for various violations on the part of both teams.
FI, M. Martin fined 46 pts for a 2" spacer on his manifold and 6 GM
teams found with ILLEGAL manifolds who were given warnings. If you
check a bit and are an honest person you should be very dismayed that
a manufacturer would accept an award knowing full well that it wasn't
obtained honestly.

Millam E. Tackitt
.
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 dates for 1993
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:14:35 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Toby Vaughn Padfield writes:

>	I heard that teh Asian G.P. would be canceled, as the Autopolis
>circuit has gone bankrupt. If it doesn't happen, will FISA just have a
>15 race World Championship, or will they add another track? If they were
>to add another one, which track do you think it would be??????????

I think I read that the Asian GP is in serious trouble too.  And how about
this talk of Belle Isle, is this suppose to be for '93 or '94?  If its for
'93, I would guess its June 6 or June 20, i.e. one week before/after the
Canadian GP.  I'm there!

Dan Jones
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From: drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall)
Subject: Re: Nigel and Michael
Summary: Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:37:50 GMT

In article <183911@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
> I heard this joke today via Monterey:
> 
> With Michael going to F1, why does Nigel want to go to CART?
> 
> He hates the thought of being the number two whinner.
> 
> And on the subject of Michael, is his wife going to get a 
> makeover before heading to the F1 life next year?  Americans
> are concerned.
> 
> Dan Jones

MODE=humor

'bout fell outta the chair on this one!!!! Not so sure that even a makeover
would help the plastic lady!

(humor mode off)

How about that Winston Cup points race! just gets better all the time.
better watch out for Kulwicki. the guy is as determined as they come.
Any of you netters gonna be in the Winston hospitality tent at the 
Hooters 500 in Atlanta? 

Also, my wife wants to give me a trip to a comptition driving school for
my next b'day. Any recommendations, comments, criticisms?

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Michael Waltrip gets fine
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:36:52 GMT

dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:


>  As you may (or may not) be aware, after the Goody's 500 Michael walked
> over and punched Dave Marcus in the mouth. Dave was still sitting in his
> car on pir road at the time!
>
>  Well NASCAR has fined him $500.00 and placed him on probation for the
> remainder of the 1993 year.
>
>  Good to see NASCAR wont put up with that kind of crap!

According to Winston Cup Scene, Marcis' only complaint was that Michael 
slugged him while he was still strapped into the car...

Skip the rest if you don't want a spoiler for the Charlotte race...

Arrgh!  Only 30 or so &%$*(#&*( laps to go.  Eliotts &$*(#&$( car has to
&%*(#$&(# break.  

Davey's withing 50 points, and Kulwicki is right there too.  Martin is
close enough that a wreck including the top 3 puts him right up there, too.

Bill can't buy any luck.

 -Steve
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From: janm@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Jan Mattsson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy in urope???!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:15:19 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Reply-To: janm@bern.docs.uu.se
NNTP-Posting-Host: oslo.docs.uu.se
Organisation: CS Dept., Uppsala University, Sweden

ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:

>How many ovals in Europe are there that are capable of running Indycars.

Monza used to have an oval, but I think it's gone now.

--
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From: denis@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Denis Schiozer)
Subject: Re: top 5 drivers/top 3 tracks
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:21:25 GMT

In article <BvrEG9.9H3@fang.att.com> naren@fang.att.com (Naren Chauhan) writes:
>My top five drivers: (in no particular order)
> 
>  1.  Alain Prost
>  2.  Ayrton Senna
>  3.  Jackie Stewart
>  4.  Niki Lauda
>  5.  Gilles Villeneuve
>

I liked this one, if it is reaaly in no particular order because Senna
would be number one for me. I also would include Nelson Piquet in the 
list and take one other out. So...

  1.  Ayrton Senna
  2.  Nelson Piquet 
   .  Niki Lauda
   .  Gilles Villeneuve
   .  Alain Prost
From: miller@convex.com (Ken Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jr & Flossie - NOT!
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:27:03 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Oct12.163653.8344@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
>this weekend (the JJ development car -- that JJ pulled to get BE
>a couple more points when the trackbar gave out) came from.
>
	The local paper in Hampton Roads Va. says that Bill Elliott "hit
	the turn 4 wall" on lap 295 while running 6th, which caused the
	problem. The paper also stated Hut Stricklin went out after 305
	laps due to "engine failure". Bill Elliott completed 310 laps.

	I can see Junior pulling Hut's car out to assist Elliott, but
	after the **great** coverage by TBS, I wonder if Hut's car actually
	did have problems? Did Elliott actually come in contact with the
	turn 4 wall? Can anyone confirm/deny this?

	Ken
	miller@convex.com
	[ Got our tickets for the March '93 Richmond race this morning.]
	[ Actually my wife stood in line for them. Turn 1 row 17.      ]
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From: carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Carl Brewer)
Subject: VCRS Round 5 "Spring 200"
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:58:40 GMT

Saturday night (17th Oct)

In the hills around Eildon/big river and Toolangi ....  (Victoria,
Australia)

be aware that noisy metal objects shall be hurtling down narrow
twisty un-sealed surfaces at illegal speeds ...

yes, the Spring 200 is on, and Melb Uni has but 1 entrant ...

me  !!!

(in the trusty steed, the 323 "rallyus Beastus", 1300cc's of thumping
horsepower !!)

Special Guest navigator (gps is again unable to take his suicide seat)
Mr Ben Bradley, from Washington State, USA,  a journalist from *the* Rally
magazine in the US ...  (it sells 5 copies I think !!)

So we shall be not the first Australians to be famous in a country not 
our own !!!

anyone interested in spectating/service crewing etc ...  email for
details!


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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Charlotte Update
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.130128.2810@b11.b11.ingr.com> brien@topcat.b11.ingr.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.031858.2605@tamsun.tamu.edu>, pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
>|> Howdy!
>|> 	This courtesy of our clari.sports.motor feed...
>|> 	Jeff Gordon snagged his 10th pole of the season for Saturday's
>|> Busch GN race at Charlotte.  This ties him for most poles in one season.
>|> He drives the Baby Ruth-sponsored Ford TBird owned by (?).  Gordon's
>|> fast time was 172.6 mph -- this was faster than the fastest Winston Cup
>                 ^^^^^                 ^^^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> car attempting qualifying for Sunday's MY 500!
>
>???????
>
>Kulwicki got the pole for the MY500 with a speed of 179.something. I would
>speculate that a majority of the MY500 field qualified faster than Jeff
>Gordon's BGN T-Bird.
>	Brien C. Gilliam
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Oops!
	Two (at least) booboos.  Gordon's time (according to this
morning's Dallas Times) was over 173mph, which breaks the old
track record of 172.574 for BGN cars.
	What I left out of my original post was Jeff's speed was
faster than the fastest (not many tried) WC car running during
the Thursday daytime qual period.  Most WC drivers elected
to stand on their Weds NIGHT qual time (coller track, better 
stiction, etc).  So...no, the Baby Ruth TBird won't quite
make the front row of the MY 500.  Sorry for the confusion.
	Also -- if Bill Davis takes his team to WC next year,
who's gonna carry the TBird banner in BGN??  Inquiring minds
wnat to know .....

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