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From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject:  Killing burglars (tasteless)
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:17:36 GMT


Just thought you'd like to know there's an interesting thread going on
over at alt.tasteless with the subject line "Killing burglars".  Here's an
excerpt:

|>===>(dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu)
|> Granted, 120 decibels is LOUD, but it will not make your ears bleed.

|>===>(cal@ee.ryerson.ca)
|> Yes and no.  If you are expecting to hear something this loud, your ears
|> can brace themselves for the shock -- no bleeding.
|> 
|> BUT, if you are not expecting this, your ears have no defence and could
|> very well bleed.

With humorous apologies to Cal, I've never come across ear-fu before *guffaw*
Maybe it's just me, but visions of helixes (the outside ridges of the ears)
determinedly curling into stances materialised when I read it.

And now the real tasteless AND Ob.M-A bit:

|>===>(cal@ee.ryerson.ca)
|> [snip]..It is not so much the loudness that matters, but the frequency..[snip]..
|> ....somewhere around 77Hz -- the resonant frequency of the colon.  Loud enough
|> at just the right frequency, this could make just about anyone drop a load
|> uncontrollably  -- could be great fun at parties too!

And even better if I could only practice my KIAI at 77Hz!!  It would surely
make for interesting tournaments, what with even the judges um..., ah...,
responding, to a kiai out on the mat as well as the intended target :-(

Jon
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: kicking from the ground
Summary: More on fighting from the ground, and going to the ground on purpose
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 SEP 92 11:54:38    


In article <3646@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes...
> 
>	Why not just stay _standing_ and kick?  Is it because it's harder
>to kick when standing?
> 
>>If he smothers my kicks and ends up with his face near my hands, I can do
>>eyestrikes, palmheels, or other strikes to the face and head.
> 
>	What if he moves past your legs and comes in from the side?  Picture
>him brushing your legs aside and keeping contact moving straight in so that
>he comes up on your side with his body against yours.  What I'm trying to 
>say is that a person on the ground can defend against a person standing by
>attacking the legs, but what if the person standing simply goes to the ground
>also?  

It's a desperation gambit, and often does work.  Many attackers will
have more difficulty relatively speaking getting past the legs of 
a half-decent groundfighter who is weaker and shorter than those of a half 
decent standing fighter who is weaker and shorter.  Partly because of
unfamiliarity with that type of tactic, and partly because of the 
relative position of body targets.  

If they do manage to get
past the legs, obviously the gambit because a catastrophe, since it's
even more difficult to get back to a mobile position to escape, and 
the attacker likely has an advantage in ground infighting,
since they are probably bigger and stronger and can effectively use 
smothering and leverage tactics even if not well trained.   The only thing
left at that point are the most brutal of surprise counterattacks to the
most vulnerable areas, if the victim is lucky and clear of mind enough to get 
the chance to use them.

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From: rchafetz@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Ross Chafetz)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: style help?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 04:26:31 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Sep10.192945.18303@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>In article <1685D13040.R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
>>I have experienced several different styles in my time as
>>a martial artist. I have yet to find the style for me. I wanted to
>>ask if anyone knew of any particular styles that had the same sense
>>of physical meditation as Tai Chi, but had a little more apparent use
>>in the real world. 

I would not say Tai Chi has no appartent use in the real world.  But
who I'm I say.

:)
Ross



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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Starting Martial Arts... 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:37:16 +0000


In article <18guf1INNpv6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu writes:

>
>
>Hi! I live in cleveland and I'm thinking of starting martial arts.
>I want an art that is not pure offense or pure defense. I would like
>to use my full body not just my hands or my feet. Could some people
>send me their opinion as to what I should take? Thanks...
>
No one can tell you what you should take up.  The best thing is to
have a look at a range and then decide what is best for you.  One
thing which can provide a good basis though, if it is being taught
anywhere near you, is Atemi Jutsu.

Essentially this is a `cut down' version of JuJitsu, but has elements
of Aikido and Karate in it.  A lot of begineers find it a good
introduction and then go on to take up one specific element.


Nigel
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Query: Gung fu in New York City
Organization: just me
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:05:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Sep10.155204.10785@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
<lots of stuff elided>
>
<In reference to Doug's (and my) teacher...>
>You can also ask your Sifu how come he didn't participate in sponsoring the
>Shao-Lin Monk's show this June.  I noticed that there were no other NYC
>Kung-Fu schools participating in it - I have a strong suspicion that they
>were not excluded.  Then tell me again how your school is above political
>infighting.   

Sifu Tai Yim *was* a principal sponsor of the Shaolin Monk's demo near DC and
in Baltimore this past summer.  His school is not in New York, it is in
Maryland, which explains why you did not see him at the New York demo.

Many other schools from the DC area participated freely, to one degree or
another.  I humbly suggest that if many schools came to the DC show, and
only one came to the New York demo, that there is a higher degree of
cooperation between schools in DC than in New York.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled flamefest...

David Pipes
robear@digex.com
From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Styles in Bloodsport?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:04:41 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <KRYSTEK.92Sep8093109@alcor.bms.com>, 
Stanley Krystek writes:

 K> I could not find the info I previously found on Frank Dux, but he was
 K> training some type of modern Ninja. It was unclear if it was a part of a 
 K> survival class or just a training for various people wanting lifestyle changes.
 K> I will ask my friend when I see him if he ever visited his school.
 K> 
 K> stan

 Frank Dux trains in his own system, dux-ryu (whatever that may be).
 As far as I know, it's not ninjutsu but a lot of techniques from different
 martial arts that had worked for him: kali, karate, etc etc.
 He also teaches stuff like scubadiving etc etc.
 BTW: I wouldn't doubt that his system works for *him*: the man is B-I-G...
      I think even soccer would work for him :-)
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From: smith@cs.tulane.edu (Lon Smith)
Subject: Re: Styles in Bloodsport?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9458]: jupiter
Keywords: Monkey Kungfu, Sumo, Bolo
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:40:47 GMT


In article <7SEP199212033961@cs.umass.edu>, rcollins@cs.umass.edu (Bob Collins) writes:

> Does anyone know the background on Bolo Yeung (spelling?).  I
> saw him in "Enter the Dragon", but his character name was Bolo
> and his name given in the credits was something like "Yang Sze".
> Is "Bolo Yeung" a pseudonym, or was "Yang Sze"?  What is his
> nationality?  Is this guy a walking steroid, or what?
> 

There was an article in Inside KungFu on Bolo about 3 months ago.
His picture was on the cover the main article concerned his new movie
"Shoot Fighter" coming out later this fall ( I think ) but the
article did have a small bio on Bolo.

If you are interested I can find out the exact issue.

Lon

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From: shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick)
Subject: Re: Savate and Mhuay Thai kicking principles
Reply-To: shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:31:12 GMT

Marty (ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) )  gave a really god discussion of the roots of Savate.  Are there any 
instructors/associations in the US.  The only information I can add is that of the French location:

Federation Francaise de Boxe Francaise, Savate et Disciplines Assimiles


Federation Francaise do Boxe Francaise
25 bd Italiens (Arrondissement) 2
(1) 47.42.82.27

I believe the address and phone would be:

25 boulevard des Italians
Paris 75002 France

33 1 47 42 82 27
Steve
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Comparing styles - which one is best?
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:40:40 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <memo.613814@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>
>Brian Hendrix writes:
>>          himself in a position to use his art?  A judoka will win
>>          if he gets to grapple with the boxer, a boxer will win
>>          if he can close and strike fast enough to prevent
>>          grappling.  You simply cannot compare different arts in
>>          this manner, and I wonder why people continue to do this?
>
>
>I haven't been reading this news group (extended dojo) for very long
>but it does seem that alot of comparison between arts does go on.

That's because it's September and a whole new flock of college students
have arrived at our institutions of higher learning and have discovered
Usenet. A small percentage of these enthusiastic young souls have discovered
rec.m-a and are
brimming with the urge to enlighten us all with the revelation that their
particular martial art is the ONE TRUE WAY, that it and it alone was developed
(often within the last three or four years) for REAL SELF DEFENSE, that
kata practice is useless, boxers can't hit, and the Gracies can lick anyone in
the house. It'll die down when they face their first midterms. Honest.
Most people who have been with this group for awhile may harbor various 
opinions about other people's chosen arts, but we're sensible enough to admit
that people who actually practice an art may know more about it than those
on the outside looking in.

Re: the boxing thread (I'm sorry, I can't resist).
Boxing certainly has some limitations that stem from its status as a 
sport, but a pro boxer is a VERY dangerous character. Just remember that
a professional fighter may train 10-12 TIMES as much as a typical 
3-night-a-week karateka. He's BETTER at his art than most of us are at ours.
That makes a huge difference. The only comparison that actually makes 
any sense is:
	"If Mike Tyson trained in [martial art of your choice] as long 
	 and as hard as he trained in boxing, would he be "better" (whatever
	 that means) than he is now?"

Nobody can answer that one. It's an interesting topic for idle speculation,
but essentially moot.

Steve
From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Silent or vocal sparring?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:04:38 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <Bu9zoJ.Eo7@hsi.com>, Dan Mallon-Kraft writes:
 
 [about intimidating your opponent]
 
 M> One randori session, a relatively new person was working out with us.  He
 M> was a brown belt as I was.  We were doing some grappling when he applied
 M> a choke to me while saying, "you're mine!"  Needless to say, this
 M> infuriated me since we weren't trying to kill each other.  My adrenaline
 M> kicked in (along with my ego) and I got out of the choke and put him into
 M> a hold.  If he had just applied the choke and I thought it was good, I 
 M> probably wouldn't have really gone nuts to escape, but once I felt that he
 M> was going to get some sort of feeling of superiority out of it, I couldn't
 M> submit.
 M> 
 M> I guess the point I was trying to make was that people who use intimidation
 M> run the risk of encouraging their opponent as much as frightening them.
 
 In a 'real' fight, I would try to intimidate my opponent in every way, looks,
 kiai and all. The only time I wouldn't use intimidation, is when I would like
 to be seen as weak, or easy to beat (so the other guy is off-balance when I
 do react). When praticing, however, I like to keep things playful. You learn 
 a lot when you play, and you can still be as rough as you want to be.
 Also, when shouting & looking vicious in the dojo, your trainingpartner will
 tense up, and it's more fun to train with somebody who isn't. 
 It also prevents injuries. I've seen a few people breaking their bones because
 they stiffened up in a throw or a bone-breaking technique. 
 
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From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: Silent or vocal sparring?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:02:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.142156.4238@udel.edu> weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Steve Weigand) writes:
<In article <lafm1vINNa3o@west.west.sun.com> garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM writes:
<>There are some cool things you can do to intimidate an opponent.  One
<>guy I know could get this look on his face that made him look like
<>a homicidal maniac.
<>
<>One thing I learned from my street fight days...look at the guy with
<>a steady gaze, slight smile on your lips, move your head, slowly, like
<>your saying "no", but just a little bit of motion.  It give the opponent 
< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<>the feeling like he is being CLOSELY examined.  This does have a
<>psych-out effect of many people.  I've even had people comment on
<>it.
<>
<>I've never been big on opposite psych-outs...but some people swear by it.
<>
<Wow! I knew of someone at my old taekwondo dojang who did the same thing
<with the "saying no" type of thing. It was really intimidating. Gave me
<the sense like he was saying, "You haven't got a chance, boy!" I knew that
<he was doing that to intimidate me, so I smiled at him to see what it 
<would do... on occasion he'd smile too.

One randori session, a relatively new person was working out with us.  He
was a brown belt as I was.  We were doing some grappling when he applied
a choke to me while saying, "you're mine!"  Needless to say, this
infuriated me since we weren't trying to kill each other.  My adrenaline
kicked in (along with my ego) and I got out of the choke and put him into
a hold.  If he had just applied the choke and I thought it was good, I 
probably wouldn't have really gone nuts to escape, but once I felt that he
was going to get some sort of feeling of superiority out of it, I couldn't
submit.

I'm not saying that in randori, I yield everytime someone applies a choke
or a joint-lock.  I don't, but I don't go bananas to get out if they have
a good one.  Such was not the case in the above example.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that people who use intimidation
run the risk of encouraging their opponent as much as frightening them.

Dan
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: M. Lala bouts (for Todd)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 SEP 92 14:29:06    


psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes...
> 
>They were mostly "blitzkreig" -type bouts between young ( <= 20 yrs).  I 
>believe every knockout I saw was a kick to the head knockout.  There was also
>a TKO and a knockdown from a series of vicious kicks to his opponent's 
>femur.  There were no finishing techniques applied, nor were there joint 
>locks or wrestling, although he teaches some of that in the surrounding tape.
>All the knockouts took less than a minute to transpire.  Hence the title:
>"How to knock out an opponent in one minute or less" (or something like that).

That's interesting.   Thanks !

>I just had to respect this guy's in shapeness.  I doubt I would be much of
>a challenge to him unless I were able to make it past his feet.  He trains
>real real hard, and a lot.  After a days work, I workout about 2 hours or
>3 max.  

Me too, and even that only as long as energy permits and the wife and kids 
are willing to support it. 

>I also can't help but wonder why someone is willing to put his eyes and teeth
>at risk in a sport contest whose outcome actually means so little except to 
>one's own ego.   For example, those matches don't really tell Mr. Lala that
>he won't be pounded into the cement by some ordinary street fighter someday.
>And myself, the only kind of fight I am interested in fighting is one where
>my life is at stake.

I appreciate what you're saying.  Different strokes, eh ?
I sure wouldn't voluntarily fight a match like that either, but I
don't mind learning a tidbit or two from someone who's been crazy enough to 
do it !   If he's still able to walk and communicate when he's 40 or so,
I'll bet he'll have some different kinds of wisdom to impart from his
impetuous experiences.

						much appreciated,

						todd
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Query: Gung fu in New York City
Keywords: -=-=-< a partial clarification >-=-=-
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:07:56 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

Doug:
	Yer mother wears army boots!
Fnord:
	Oh yeah! My dad can whip yer dad.
Doug:
	Cannot!
Fnord:
	Can so!
Doug:
	Nyaahh nyaah nyaah!

etc. etc. etc.

Sheesh guys! Take it to email, will ya?

Steve
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Wrestling
Keywords: Gracie
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:22:23 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <11445246.4.715834086@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 11445246@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (THOMAS HAYWOOD) writes:
>>>	The boxing vs. karate debate exactly reminds me of the way
>>>some judoka feel about wrestlers.  "Wrestling is all strength and too
>>>limited to be of any real use.  A lot of grunting and sweating.  Not
>>>precise at all".
>Anybody ever heard of the Horion Gracie.
>He has taken on karateka, judoka, boxers, etc.
>He only lost once, to a guy 100 pounds his senior.

God help us...here we go AGAIN!

Steve
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From: haworth@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Fencing
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:33:09 GMT

mikel@Apple.COM  writes:
> In article <Btv4AE.JDM@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> jquarant@mipos3.UUCP (James R. Quaranta Jr.) writes:
> >
> >We fencers are lurking about here in this group.  Post away!
> 
> I wonder if you would care to comment, as a student both of fencing
> and of other martial arts, on how fencing experience interacts
> with other MA training.
> 
> My fencing experience was limited to club fencing in high school and to
the varsity fencing squad at college (a small amount of NCAA tournament
experience) and my martial arts experience extended for 4 years in Korea
studying Hapkido.  I found sabre parry techniques to be nearly identical
to the short stick technique used against the standard kendo weapon. 
The footwork and balance practice from fencing seemed to help in the
kicking work.  Naturally, general conditioning helped a lot.  I have been
fortunate to study under an olympic fencing coach (lots of emphasis on
conditioning and under a 7th degree black belt in Korea (lots of 
emphasis on conditioning).  At the collegiate and olympic level, much
of the training technique is like that used in martial arts practice
with the same goal -- a conditioned automatic response to a given
stimulus.  Does one sport or art interact with the other?  Some, but
perhaps not as much as an outsider might expect.
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitudes (wasRe- Silent or
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep10113435@dynastar.princeton.edu> mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>Have you ever seen the video of Morehei Ueshiba (O'Sensei, to
>aikidoka) from around 1935 or so?  It's an early sound film.

(I'm grovelling)

I've been trying to get my hands on some videos of Ueshiba for quite a
while. If anyone knows where such things might be found, please let me
know. I'd do a lot for such a thing.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: c8908461@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Robert Lang)
Subject: Re: *********************** Help with flexibility ****************
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:51:18 GMT

mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:


>In article <1992Sep5.041338.23455@cc.umontreal.ca> cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin) writes:


[ lots of good stuff about stretching ]

In addition to all that, I've recently aimed at increasing my stretch and
it is dramatically increasing.

my plan : morning dynamic stretches & 3 times a week or more complete
dynamic & static stretch workout.

I read in a book "Stretching Scientifically"...haven't got the book here
so don't know the author....that morning stretches help the
soreness a lot.

I agree...my stretch is improving and I'm seldom sore....and it makes
you feel good ("loose") all day after a 10 minute stretch when you
first get up.

Chow,

Robert.



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