From: asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:23:53 GMT

In article <Bt9AIy.8AA@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Subject: 14th AUGUST AND ITS RELAVANCE TODAY
>Nntp-Posting-Host: iss700.columbiasc.ncr.com
>
>WHAT DOES 14th AUGUST MEAN NOTHING TO US?
>
  It should mean that difference in ideologies, religion, culture and
  discrimmination towards a minority (just to name a few) would entail
  advocation of separation with thick long lines drawn between the two
  groups. 
>>   Today Pakistan could be different political entity. But what about its 
>>HISTORICAL links with BHARAT? We should always treat PAK as a misguided 
>>brother who has lost his links of relationships with his family in the past 

 No, I don't think so :)

>>few centuries.
>
>Historical links? Did'nt you read the articles about the history of Hindu
>massacres when India was ruled by Muslims. It amazed me at the number of
>articles on "Negationism in India", that were posted. Whether what was written
>was true of the history of Muslim rule is irrelevant, the anti-Muslim 
>sentiment among some article was amazing.        
> 
>
>  > Right from the ages of Ramayana our links have been established with IRAN, 
>>AFGHANISTAN, BANGLADESH, NEPAL, CEYLON, THAILAND etc. Can these be severed
>>by some religio-fanatical upsurge(as in case of PAKISTAN) or by some weak
>>leadership guidance(in case of BHARAT)? Does PAKISTAN gaining its Political 
>>Independence mean that we lose claim on all our Historical Landmarks like
>>LAHORE (maharaj Ranjit Singhs Capital), Western Punjab Provinces, Sind regions,
>>Rivers and rivulets  Sindhu which had their repectable place since the Vedic 
>>age? Can all the history, cultural bonds be undone?


  One can lay similar claims on Dehli, Agura etc...
>
>   >Bharath was once a world leader, VISHWA GURU.  Its culture had spread from
>>Siberia to Australia, from Indo-China regions to SOUTH America. It is this 
>>spirit we should remember. The sad incidence of pertition should be taken as
>>a wrong in the history and one should forget that and try to restore our
>>GLORIOUS HERITAGE.
>
>Oh I did not know that Hindus too subscribe to "neel kay sahil say 
>tabakhak e kashgar" thought. 
>
>   >Some times it does pain the way our pakistani brothers try to project their
>>so called PAKISTANI identity. But do they realise what their history was? 
>>If they feel that their NATION has taken its birth in 1947 then they are lost. 
>>We should symapathize these people who had to suffer the invasions of Mongols, 
>>Greeks, Muslims, barbarians. During this process that westernmost part of 
>>Bharath got its roots submerged in this chaos. And finally that led to a mass 
>>conversion of Hindus into ISLAM. After a period of few centuries the newer
>>generations are losing their actual place in History and are being misled by 
>>PSEUDO-INTELLCTUALS who for their selfish needs have corrupted the society 
>>much further.
>
>You are kidding right! Let me ask you, you are a devout Hindu are'nt you.
>Between you and people like Mahfooz and Mustafa, I am screwed on both sides.
>
>>History and intriduce them back to the world as those belonging from the 
>>Land of Rama and Krishna.
>
>Sorry I spoke too soon!
>
>   >As a person with this past we should try to merge back and try to achieve
>>the final of  UNDIVIDED BHARAT ( AKHAND BHARAT).  BHARAT can never be a
>>complete without Pakistan. 

	History shows that the area of sub-continent is volatile and 
is more likely to disintegrate in smaller states. The on-going uprising in
Kashmir, Assam, Punjab, Tamil Nadu should be of greater concern than laying
any other territorial claims.

	Btw, Pakistan's Independence day is  August 14.
	     Bharat (India)'s Indep. day is  August 15.

Care to explain why you think  Pakistan was ever a part of Bharat (India) ? :)



>
>>-Indu.
>
>Naveed

Asim Mughal

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