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From: cansoori@athena.mit.edu (Christina Ansoorian)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:56:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug23.025603.22622
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <ddl683-210892122226@coco2.albany.edu>, ddl683@csc.albany.edu (Dreaming) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug20.051110.26880@wam.umd.edu>, sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie
|> Beth Brunner) wrote:
|> > 
|> > In article <1992Aug19.234212.17682@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> > >
|> > >Ignorance is bliss; 'tis folly to be wise.
|> > >
|> >   The actual quote is "WHere ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."
|> >   Anal-retentive (ha!), I know, but I have to do SOMETHING with my
|> >   lit major. :)
|> 
|> Thomas Gray; now, a bonus question:  which poem was it?
|> And for double points, which poem of his generated the equally-famous
|> aphorism, "Not all that glitters [orig. glisters] is gold"?
|> 
|> And now back to your regularly scheduled flamebait.
|> 

Uh... I seem to remember something about a cat that was trying to 
catch a goldfish, but fell in the bowl and drowned.
I don't remember the title, though.

Hint?

Christina
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: couscous
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.171844.5061@athena.mit.edu> rhcp@athena.mit.edu (chelle) writes:
>Does anyone know about the fat and/or protein content in couscous.
>I cook them with no oil or anything, just water...
>I was wondering how good it is for me.

For 100g of cooked couscous:

___ Sat Aug 22 09:31:23 1992 ___________________________________________________
                                  GRAINS Table                                  
                                                                                
Food Item Number: 5620715                                                       
 Description: COUSCOUS, PLAIN, COOKED, NO FAT ADDED                             
Percentage Water: 72.600                Food Energy Kcal: 112.000               
  Protein Gm: 3.800                     Total Fat Gm: 0.200                     
Saturated Fat Gm: 0.030                                                         
Monounsaturated Fat Gm: 0.010                                                   
Polyunsaturated Fat Gm: 0.090                                                   
Cholesterol Mg: 0.000                   Carbohydrate Gm: 23.200                 
    Fiber Gm: 1.000                       Alcohol Gm: 0.000                     
Vitamin A Iu: 0.000                     Vitamin A Re: 0.000                     
Carotenes Re: 0.000                     Vitamin E Mg: 0.013                     
Ascorbic Acid Mg: 0.000                   Thiamin Mg: 0.060                     
Riboflavin Mg: 0.030                       Niacin Mg: 0.980                     
Vitamin B6 Mg: 0.050                      Folate Mcg: 15.000                    
 Vitamin B12: 0.000                       Calcium Mg: 8.000                     
Phosphorus Mg: 22.000                   Magnesium Mg: 8.000                     
     Iron Mg: 0.380                          Zinc Mg: 0.260                     
   Copper Mg: 0.041                     Sodium Default Mg: 41.000               
Sodium Not Added Mg: 41.000                                                     
Potassium Mg: 58.000                                                            
                                                                                
                                                                                
________________________________________________________________________________


-- 
Michael Traub
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Tofu Marinade Recipies
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:05:30 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi,  I'm new to this newsgroup,  as I spend most of my time in Rec.Bicycles, 
but this group is certainly of interest.  
I've been vegetarian for about 3 years now,  yet have succumbed to the
stereotype and bought some tofu only this week.  Apparently the reason I
haven't bothered with it much in the past is the mediocre way it's been cooked
when I've had it.
ANYWAY.....I'd be really grateful for some good marinade recipies,  even my
bibles such as Moosewood are a little sparce in this area.

	E-mail reply's fine,
	Thanks in advance,
	
	Jonathan Dodd,
	University of Waikato,
	New Zealand.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rovel@eng.umd.edu (Amy L. Rovelstad)
Subject: Nutrisweet not vegan??
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:35:16 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: rovel@coke.eng.umd.edu


[]
I just heard from someone that Nutrisweet(TM) uses some milk byproduct, and
is therefore not vegan.  Has anyone else heard this?

Amy
From: weedk@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kirk Weedman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: request: tomato recipes
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:59:34 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Aug21.143057.10657@ncsu.edu> henders@eos.ncsu.edu (HANS  ENDERS) writes:
>
>does someone out there have
>any unique resipes for tomatoes?

What about a juice like V8? I like V8, but am not too crazy about plain
tomatoe juice.  I have a recipe I'm working on for a juice like V8, but
it's not quite perfected yet.  Anyone out there have a good recipe?
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: popcorn@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Valerie Mates)
Subject: Re: butter vs. margarine
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.115451.21876@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>Bizarre NZ marge story: when the stuff was first introduced there (in the
>early 70s) the dairy industry lobbied for a law that would require it to
>be dyed blue.  They settled for a pricing floor that made it more expensive
>than butter.
>

My mom says that when margarine was first introduced in the US,
the dairy industry required margarine to be sold colored a stark shade of
white, with an enclosed yellow dye tablet you were supposed to mix in.
-- 
----------
Valerie Mates
popcorn@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us
From: dana@sybase.com (Dana Bergen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: butter vs. margarine
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:30:37 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Margarines vary quite a bit in how much saturated fat they contain. 
The Wellness Encyclopedia recommends using a margarine that has twice
as much polyunsaturated fat as saturated fat.  Many margarines list
the amount of each on the label.

In general, soft margarine that comes in a tub or squeeze bottle will
have less saturated fat than stick margarine, because saturated fat
is what makes the margarine hard enough to sell in a stick.  Another
indication of a higher (better) polyunsaturated fat content is if a 
liquid oil (such as safflower or corn) is the first ingredient, 
rather than a hydrogenated oil.

At least in the U.S., products labelled "margarine" have about the same
amount of fat as butter (but not necessarily as much saturated fat), and
products labelled "diet" or "imitation" margarine are usually margarine 
diluted with water. 

I like the brand "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter", which is not vegan
but is high in polyunsaturated fat.  (You can, in fact, believe that
it's not butter, but it tastes pretty good for margarine.)

Dana
--
dana@sybase.com               |   We women do talk too much, but even  
{pyramid,pacbell,             |   then we don't tell half what we know.
 sun,lll-tis}!sybase!dana     |       -- Nancy Witcher, Lady Astor
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Ideas for a persuasive speech on vegetarianism
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:38:59 GMT

In article <cass8806.260@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>
>rather recently i saw a single sheet of paper called "how to win an argument 
>with a meat eater" it was filled with all sorts of neat facts. perhaps 
>someone has a copy? if so, please post it, because i'd like one myself.
>
i believe that is a peta piece.  you might get in contact with them.

kg


-- 
so what if i am a vegan?  so what if i try to live a cruelty free lifestyle?
i'll tell you what, i sleep better at night knowing that nothing suffers for
anything i eat or wear and i try to use products that have not involved 
animal testing.  i can't cure all the world's ills, but i'm doing a
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Rec.food.veg's health warning.
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:49:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.184904.2311
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug22.083228.1669@btcs.bt.co.uk> traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>Apparently  some  people  seem to think that even though this conference is
>supposedly  for  vegetarians  it  is  really  a  vehicle for meat eaters to
>exchange  the  occasional  vegetarian  recipe. Even some of the vegetarians
>in this newsgroup feel this way.

Horrors.

>The  posting  would  simply state that
>certain    posters   to   this   newsgroup   do   *not*   reflect   current
>vegetarian/vegan   opinion   and  that  their  articles  are  often  simply
>designed  to  inflame  the  vegetarian and vegan members of this newsgroup.

"Current vegetarian/vegan opinion"?  You mean M. Traub's opinion.

>In  an  attempt  to  keep  flaming  down  regarding  such individuals their
>postings  would  simply  be  ignored  except for a small followup directing
>gentle readers to the health warning.

Well, if you stopped posting all together the problem would be
solved rather neatly.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: hair thinning,
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:50:12 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <8eWIwZC00WBNI2qJ9G@andrew.cmu.edu> "Kathleen A. Rafferty" <kr22+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hello - I have been following a (basically) meatless diet for almost a
>year now, and don't miss it, mentally.. However, I was wondering if my
>body might miss it - particularly, my hair has been thinning out and is
>generally more brittle thn it used to be...I have been taking
>multivitamins and calcium, but i rarely eat protein - esp in the summer
>- i just am NOT in teh mood for beans lately..
>I was wondering- has anyone else noticed this problem?  Thanks in advance,

I cam imagine not getting enough protein, but it would require a rather
extreme diet.  Any lack wouldn't be of meat, but of protein in general.

What's your typical daily diet?  It seems hard to imagine a diet described
as "I rarely eat protein".  In any case, if this were true, it would definitely
be most unhealthy. 

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:31:39 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: cheese


>Elisabeth Freeman writes:

>Does anyone know of anything with which to flavour tofu so it tastes
>more like cheese?  Or, if that's impossible, to give it a flavour that
>would be good for making lasagne with tofu?

>Thanks!
>Beth

Have you tried soycheese?

Dave
From: weedk@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kirk Weedman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Nissan Maxima SE.  good choice?
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:18:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <17AUG199213323094@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON) writes:
>
>I'm thinking about purchasing a '89 Maxima SE.  Is this a good car?
>
>Thanks 
>Eric

Well, it depends Eric... Did you want it to run on fossil fuel or veggie burgers?
Or maybe a fuel derived soley from corn?  Does it have leather seats? That could
cause lots of discussion.
From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hydrodgenizing (was Re: butter vs. margarine)
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:54:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug12.225439.211
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1233@tecsun1.etl.army.mil> anneb@tecsun1.etl.army.mil (Anne Brink) writes:

>Sorry for coming in in the middle of this, but I'm curious.  How can you
>artificially hydrodgenize margarine (or anything), and how is this dangerous?
>
>					-Anne
>					confessed margarine user

Well, I don't know of any processes by which unsturated fats are
"hydrogenated", but I suppose that's because of the way I define
hydrogenation--reaction with hydrogen at elevated temperatures and
pressures. Hydrogenation turns unsaturated fat into saturated fat, or, as my
biochem prof (Hi Arthur!) would put it, takes something that's good for you
and turns it into something that tastes good. Aside from that, I can't see
any reason why hydrogenated vegetable fat would be particularly bad for you,
or worse than butter for that matter. Margarine tastes too good for me to
keep it around, but unfortunately I have started to like the taste of olive
oil :-) I have found that I can do entirely without margarine, but I don't
do a lot of baking of sweets...

nuke@reed.edu
--
~/.oo
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: richichi@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Richichi)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:28:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <anne.714256021@menaik> anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>You might not believe this until you've experienced it.  It is truly
>amazing what can emerge from one's body after several days of virtual
>fasting.  I won't gross the entire net out with the details....
>
>>What kind of wonders?
>
>Skin clears up, mouth tastes fresh, hair shines, super energy, general
>goodwill toward humankind feeling, yearning for healthy foods, no
>interest in caffeine and other assorted junk, lighter, more "transparent"
>feeling, sounder sleep -- and everyone you know demanding to know what
>you've done because you look terrific.
>

While I'll easily give you the benefit of the doubt on most of these
items, I don't know how 3 or 4 days of fasting can make your hair shiny,
since it would all have to grow out and replace your existing hair.

Unless of course something's happening to your skin chemistry which
affects the oil output... maybe?

I can't see myself ever doing this, but it is interesting.


------------
Mike Richichi, Dept. of Physics, Colorado State Univ.
richichi@lamar.colostate.edu  mrichich@drunivac.bitnet 
"Aw, the stretching beam, ya blurred me!" --MST3K
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:18:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.191809.2953
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug22.190537.15415@u.washington.edu> england@milton.u.washington.edu (England) writes:
>I see that Steve's at it again, although in a different group this time.
>I wonder how many people he'll hurt with his pointedly one-sided remarks
>and not-so-subtle put downs in this group before he feels satisfied
>enough to move on to the next group?

I've been following rec.food.veg for years.  When I feel a comment is
warranted, I make one.  This isn't my first, nor will it be my last.

Anyone who could claim to be "hurt" by one of my comments (which
are factual and not personalized), probably could use the services
of an additional group, perhaps alt.support.  But that's not my problem.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:57:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.121304.5672@bcrka451.bnr.ca> poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier) writes:
>Unfortunately, on the third week of the program, you have to start taking
>yet another of their products: pancreatin.

The colon-cleansing program I went on did not use this. Your whole
body would have to be in a bad way to need pancreatin. This seems
like some kind of weird addition to the original program developed
by Robert Gray.

Just stick with the acidophilus. As long as you have gone through
the first phase with the psyllium husks to actually cleanse the
colon you should be alright.


-- 
Michael Traub
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:28:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug21.012823.12912
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <anne.714347743@menaik> anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:
>Are these the same health care professionals that brought us
>silicone implants for breasts, thalidomide, breast removal to
>prevent cancer, and other such goodies?  Not to mention the
>"normal" (scientifically validated) 15% of iatragenic, i.e.,
>physician-caused illnesses?

Um, what does this have to do with colon cleansing?

>Not to mention the ones who can't
>quite seem to figure out what's happening with the AIDS virus --
>despite all those wonderful studies PROVING what now no longer
>appears to be the case.

Huh?  Whatever are you talking about?

>Naturopaths and other alternative
>practitioners were advocating high-fibre, low-fat diets to
>prevent cancer (for example) years ago.  Now, all  of a sudden
>the American Cancer Society has caught on and it's "scientific".

What does this have to do with colon cleansing?

>No, actually we'd prefer to wait until we get cancer, heart
>disease, and various degenerative diseases, so that we can
>provide more guinea pigs for the medical/pharmaceutical
>industry.  Makes a lot more sense. 

What does this have to do with colon cleansing?

> It's incredible to me
>that supposedly "educated" people can be so closed-minded --
>but that's all right.  I'm used to it.  I once spent 3 months
>in hospital recovering from an iatragenic disease that my doctor
>(one of the top specialists in the city)
>claimed was "impossible".  (Fortunately another doctor disagreed
>with him.  Just goes to show you can't believe everything you hear
>from the "health professionals".) 

I'd be interested to hear more about this.  Send mail if you'd
prefer to discuss it there.  The adjective is "iatrogenic", BTW.

>I'll put my health and my money in the hands of people who have
>proven they can help me, who have a positive track record and who,
>unlike many in the scientific establishment, understand the dictum
>"First, do no harm".

You're lucky you don't have any serious diseases.  Naturopathy
and its ilk is great for every day problems which disappear
on their own anyway.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:24:17 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug20.171651.23638@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.080755.23350@btcs.bt.co.uk> traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>>Your gut is already populated with its own ecosystem.
>>>There's not much you can do about that.
>>
>>References?
> 
> This is like asking for "references" that the world isn't flat.
> There are thousands of published scientific papers on the
> bacterial flora and fauna of the gut.  

Aw c'mon Steve, why get technical on him.  How about any grammar
school biology book or childrens encyclopedia!     ;-)

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
   
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Indian cookbooks and some random comments
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:06:23 GMT

masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason) writes:
> . . .
>During my
>first year not eating meat, I was somewhat combatitive about the subject
>and I succeed only in offending and alienating people.  I'm afraid I
>see some of that on this newsgroup.
. . . 

I'm afraid that I don't see what you are talking about.  Yes, your
intent to bring greater magnanimity to this conferance is laudable
and I thank you for your personal and honest statement.  Still,
I think you are capitulating to the unwarranted rudeness and
even hostility that we have seen a FEW of our omnivorous
kibitzers lapse into making.  Suggesting that this rudeness is
caused or provoked by the vegetarians themselves here on this conference 
is simply unfair.  If one reads carefully the full exchange of some
treads, you will find that it is our omnivore critics who initiate
rude and insulting remarks.  If you believe otherwise, than maybe
you could provide some choice quotes so that we can properly
answer to this charge about "combatitive" vegetarians.  Look,
I didn't ask for antipathy, but I am getting tired of being
called a "fanatic" when I in turn have never initiated or even
responded with such rude remarks directed at my ominvorous critics.
No, I won't respond in kind, but I refuse to be saddled with
improper and unfair characterizations.


> it is possible to 
>believe strongly in what you are saying, to be firm in what you convey,
>and to be persuassive, without being intolerant.
> . . .

Yes I agree.  Now, who but some defensive omnivores are being
"intolerant"?
                                        ted

                                    ted

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox)
Subject: Re: Rich & Michael
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:16:41 GMT


McCartney book - yes, it's aimed at meat-eaters.  Many of
the recipes are dairy-based - I wrote it several years ago
now, and I actually went vegan during its writing, which
made it more difficult to finish.  Its turned many people
onto the vegetarian idea, so I'm still proud of it.


The magazine - I started it, took the publishers the idea
and was its editor for four months pre-launch.  They
treated me very badly, I'm afraid, and I feel ripped off.
It's become a very cynical thing, now.  The editor who took
over from me wasn't even vegetarian.

My rec - don't buy!
-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Peter Cox
uad1214@dircon.co.uk
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^