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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:45:08 -0400 
From: David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Strict Membership Silliness

Hi folks --

Tibor had some very helpful comments, but I'd like to offer a few
words in my own 'defense' -- not that I feel 'attacked' -- :-)

>Bertram makes the customary logic error:

 No, Bertram exploits the customary logic error for humorous purposes...

>Along those lines, Bertram spreads more confusion about 
>the SCA Insurance.  We have several policies.  [...]

 With then intent of illustrating that *many* people *do* still find
 it confusing.  You'd think, as important as this is and as expensive
 as this is, the Corporation would do a better job of educating the
 "membership" (traditional, not specialized definition).

Many thanks to Tibor for *his* educational efforts here on the Rialto!

My best -- Bertram

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Subject: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:45:48 -0500

Carolus Malvoix (parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)) writeth:

 CP> I take it you have been
 CP> lucky enough to see the pierce-worked-helm-from-hell?

For the benefit of those of us who haven't, could you please tell us about it
(starting with what "pierce worked" means)?


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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Horse armoring
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:44:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.150444.10098@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rkspicher@bsu-ucs.uucp (Randall Spicher) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.062436.13953@netcom.com>, peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison) writes:
>> Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:
>> 
>>> CM> directions at once. One
>>> CM> could presume that the ankles of the....animals in 
>>> CM> question, were fitted
>>> CM> with spike bearing anklets, but I have no evidence 
>> 
>> Also, consider the ramifications to the horse.  If the anklets were even
>> a little bit too tight, the horse would lame up due to binding on the
>> tendons; too loose, and the horse would lame up with cuts where the
>> anklets rubbed or from abcesses from having the hair pushed back down
>> the folicles.
>> 
>
>Many/most horses, when seriously involved in running, often get the hind and 
>front feet *very* close, often even hitting them togather, (if you've ever
>watched a lot of horse events in which speed or action was the objective,
>you might have noticed a large number of horses with things wrapped 
>around their fetlocks (ankles to us humans).  These things are to 
>protect the horse from injuring itself.)  Just imagine what a spike
>would do to a horses leg.....

Ok, could it work if you had padding under the anklets, and had the 
spikes pointing _away_ from the horse's other legs? (In other words,
the spikes would point to the sides, and possibly straight forwards
on the front and backwards on the back.) Also, it crosses my mind
that the spikes should be fairly short so that they don't get caught
in whatever they're stabbing. Maybe just sandpaper? :-)

                                  Nancy Lebovitz
                                  calligraphic button catalogue available
                                           by email  (170K)
                                  nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

Heralds don't pun--they cant

>
>Cavalamar
From: ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: What is a Baron
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:29:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct17.032931.4773
Reply-To: ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


There has been some discussion of how provinces and shires can give
out awards. A couple of years ago, I presided at a court of the
Province of the Tree Girt Sea--as the king's viceroy. I do not know
if that term is quite right--it suggests something lasting rather
more than an evening. But the general approach seems a reasonable
solution to the problem, and one that I think is consistent with the
medieval model. You have some high ranking noble preside at the court
as the King's representative, acting on his behalf.

David/Cariadoc abu Patri
DDFr@Midway.UChicago.Edu
DDFr@AOL.com
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Horse armoring
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:18:07 GMT

nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.150444.10098@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rkspicher@bsu-ucs.uucp (Randall Spicher) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct3.062436.13953@netcom.com>, peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison) writes:
>>> Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:
>>> 
>>>> CM> directions at once. One
>>>> CM> could presume that the ankles of the....animals in 
>>>> CM> question, were fitted
>>>> CM> with spike bearing anklets, but I have no evidence 

[lots of theories and counter-arguments deleted for space]

I'm coming to this late, so I don't know how this thread started, *but*...
Are you people just remembering the White Knight's horse from Through the
Looking Glass who wore spiked anklets to protect against sharks?

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
    "Ooh, lookie Max, I mean, Sam -- it's the appalling visage of crime!"
"Right under our beaks!"
    "What a pinhead!  Does he not fear us?!"        -- Sam and Max
From: bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Decentralization--what we can do
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:49:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.1992Oct15.054932.23675
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

Nobles!

Sir Cariadoc offers a perfectly valid approach to dealing with the
centralizing force of the Corporation.  I will offer another and 
more subversive approach.  The SCA does not own event sites.  It
rents them at the local level as noted in the earlier article. A
very simple approach for truely rebelious local groups is to hold
all events as "official" SCA events duely published in Pikestaff
but in the following way.  The "official event" would last aproximately
10 minutes in which the one or two "official members" would convene
a business meeting and immediately adjorn.  At which time the real
event could start.

						Your Humble Servant
						Solveig Throndardottir
						Totally Ignorant
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:00:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.174738.15294@odin.corp.sgi.com>, lindal@goddess.asd.sgi.com (Linda Levy) writes:
> In the West, the Royal Regalia (Pavillion, rug, thrones, eric, etc, (you
> know, the LARGE stuff) travels in a large (u-haul size) trailer, ...

And if the current large thrones continued to be carried, the trailer
*needs* heavier springs...

> I have noticed a tendancy here that the higher the rank, the smaller the
> vehicle (if the fighter is unmarried, with no family.) Remember Radnors VW
> bug, or chris of houghtons little orange sports car. They were usually
> followed by a LARGE household with a LARGE van or pick-up.  

Then there's Flieg...

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Riki.Stein@f906.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Riki Stein)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Hurricane iniki news fro
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 11:09:04 -0500

 WH> The word on conditions among SCA folk on Kauai has finally tricked
 WH> out...

 WH> Caid is working on setting up a non-profit fund to help them after the
 WH> style of the fund set up by Trimaris after *their* hurricane.  

Additionally, we've gotten word from Erik of Telemark down Trimaris way that
some of the aid that has been received by the Trimarian Relief Fund (barring
the unforeseen on their home turf) will be finding its way out there...so
those who want to help our cousins of Endless Seas before Caid has its 
mechanisms in place can do so through that effort as well.

Once again, that address:

Trimarian Relief Fund, c/o Erik of Telemark
Ed Kreyling
3182 Lockwood Meadows Blvd.
Sarasota, FL 34234

Yrs in svc I remain

Marco Palladio, through his most esteemed lady, Ariane Baccadoro

... Where are we going...and why am I in this handbasket??
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re: What is a Baron (territorial)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.223420.16706@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
> [...Summary of Western Barony Distribution...]
>
>	Lochac (Austrailia):			5
>
>My data for Lochac is a bit old, but new Baronies don't pop up too
>often.

The data is still correct, but you misspelled Australia (one i).
(Normally I wouldn't nit pick about spelling, but it _is_ fairly
important to get continents correct, there not being that many
to remember :)  In any case, if you make a habit of misspelling
Australia, one day you might end up in Vienna by accident when you
meant to go to Sydney ... mind you, that could be seen as a bonus ;)

>	--Hal

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit.
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Re:One Oh
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:06:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Oct8.223902.19407@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis) writes:
>
>*    Six for the Six proud Servants
>
>The six required great offices for a baronial or higher group:
>Seneschal, Herald, Chronicler, Marshal, A/S Officer & Reeve.

Waitaminnit.  Reeve?  What's a Reeve?  How do you say "Reeve" in
Western?

(Possibly "Constable"?  Constables run gate, do fire-watches, speak
gently but firmly to those who misbehave & kick them off site if
necessary, etc.)

Interkingdom Anthropology strikes again....


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

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think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
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Subject: Re: elf ears r us
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:29:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <718909620.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Henry.Best@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Henry Best) writes:
"
"Everyone seems to think I thought of that reply on the spot and have
"congratulated me on my quick wits. Alas, I can never think of things like that
"on the spot. I thought it up in advance after being exposed once and not having
"any good clean way to deal with it. I essentially had the retort "on file" when
"I needed it.

Bravo, regardless.

(You'll note, m'lords and ladies, that the good gentleman is not only
clever: he's _smart._)


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: raf@nyqrn.UUCP (Hugh Sider)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Horse armoring
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:16:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.134431.25844@genie.slhs.udel.edu>, nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.150444.10098@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rkspicher@bsu-ucs.uucp (Randall Spicher) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct3.062436.13953@netcom.com>, peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison) writes:
>>> Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:
>>>
>>>> CM> directions at once. One
>>>> CM> could presume that the ankles of the....animals in
>>>> CM> question, were fitted
>>>> CM> with spike bearing anklets, but I have no evidence
>>>
>>> Also, consider the ramifications to the horse.
>>> [ Some good points deleted]
>>>
>>
>>Many/most horses, when seriously involved in running,
>>[stuff deleted for brevity]
>
> Ok, could it work if you had padding under the anklets, and had the
> spikes pointing _away_ from the horse's other legs? (In other words,
> the spikes would point to the sides, and possibly straight forwards
> on the front and backwards on the back.) Also, it crosses my mind
> that the spikes should be fairly short so that they don't get caught
> in whatever they're stabbing. Maybe just sandpaper? :-)
>
>                                   Nancy Lebovitz
>>
>>Cavalamar

  I'm getting into this conversation kind of late, and for that I
 apologise, but I have to ask.
  No one is seriously proposing to go out and DO this to a horse,
 right?

  A couple of points, in no particular order.
     The fetlocks are not the most robust area of a horses anatomy,
  and treating injuries to that area is, well, interesting.

     A horse that is jumping significant height can actually cross
  front and rear legs.  (Mine actualy tripped and fell once, but
  that's a longer story.)  I don't think there's a safe direction to
  have sharp objects pointing, from the horse's perspective.

    I have seen two modes of kicking attack from (untrained) horses.
 Front hoof:
      Rear up on hind legs, attempting to establish height superiority.
      Kick forward with one front hoof.   Impact is with the front
      edge of the front hoof.
 Rear hoof: (Main guns.)
      Small (FAST) hop up with the rear legs.  Both rear legs fire
      simultaneously.  Impact is with the flat of the hoof.
      Note.  This is essentially unchanged at heights from
      opposing/encroaching horse's head (No tailgating) to
      yapping dog's chest (Pekenese polo).
  (I've also heard of cow-kicking- front hoof side to rear kick
   and single rear hoof kicks.  Never saw a horse try it, and I
   was around several ill-tempered horses.)

 The point is that the attacks are hoof-only, and would not benefit
 from the fetlock dog-collar.

 In summary, there appears to be little benefit, and potentially
 serious damage in the proposed armament.

-Hugh Sider (Rafael de la Aldea)
 jjmhome!nyqrn!raf@transfer.stratus.com
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Why have the SCA, Inc.?
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:44:24 GMT

Aryk comments on an exchange between Alan and himself

Alan said:
    Again, the BoD has served a useful purpose in these cases ("Michael of
  Bedford" should ring a bell)

and Aryk replied:
  You mean the Middle Kingdom was spared agony and long-term trauma by the
  clever intervention of the Board? Not really.  And wasn't it the Stew
  and not the Board who finally dealt with that matter?

No, Aryk, the Board was involved with the matter.  In my case, it was
through the Board Minutes that I first heard of it.

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
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From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Subject: Re: Makeing Velium
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 13:32:01 GMT

Greetings unto the good folk of the Rialto.

The recipe given by Lord Josef is more or less the
one I use.  It would be very difficult for me to
elaborate on it without getting into a very lengthy
discussion.  The reference given 'Ancient Skins 
Parchments and Leathers' is the single best 
reference I've found so far, even if some practical
aspects of the process are glossed over (it is
written for conservators, not parchmenters).
The instructions given are concise and to the point
(I believe some sentences are word for word from 
Theophilus).

A couple of quick comments:

1) I would flesh the hide before liming.  This 
allows better penetration of the lime liquor.

2) Lime can also be obtained at builders supply
stores ie. the kind used for cement: hydrated lime.

3) You can attach the hide to the frame (herse) 
via slits, but you cannot get very much tension
before the hide (weakened by being slit) tears.
The prefered (and period) method is to take a
smooth round object (pebbles or even glass
marbles), and tie the edge of the skin over the
object (called a pippin).  The pippin prevents the 
hide from slipping.

4) Scraping is accomplished with a series of
semilunar knives, some having razor sharp and
others having burred edges.  I haven't been
able to get any more specific info than this.
An alternative that is cheap and effective if
somewhat more labourious is to use a block of
pumice (like that sold for removing callouses
from feet) followed by successively finer
grades of sandpaper.  Powdered pumice is 
available in places that sell furniture
finishes.

Cheers,
Balderik
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From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re: One Oh
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.200652.106@progress.com>, schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:
> [... my list of six required officers ...]
>      ---
>Huh? According to Corpora:
>
> [... clear rules that show I got it wrong apart from possibly: ...]  
>
>  Baronies and Provinces: A set of officers acceptable to the Crown.
>    (V.A.3.b)
>
> [... and the Eastern rules, which don't match up with six ...]
>
>So, where didja get 6?  Or did we just mess up the song? I count 7 or 8
>for Kingdoms and Principalities, some oddball number for Baronies.  In
>the East, it's actually 10 for the Kingdom and Principalities, and
>8 for Baronies.  Your kingdom may vary...

Mea culpa! Mea culpa! (and me a lapsed Presbyterian ;)
I appear to have completely screwed this one up. Tibor is, naturally,
correct; I have searched in the West and Lochac laws for a reference,
but they don't mention baronial officer's lists, so even though I'm
sure I have seen what I said written down, it must be just local
policy or custom. (And I apologise for infering that only six officers
would be rerquired at Principality/Kingdom level; I was certainly aware
that a full slate was required. I really meany "Baronial size groups"
rather than "Baronial level and above".)

Any suggestions for an alternative verse six? (better versions of other
verses are always welcome, too :)

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit. 
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From: bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand)
Subject: Re: Why have the SCA, Inc.?
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:08:00 GMT

Nobles!

You do not need to spend $5000 to upgrade somebody's computer to do 
mailing lablels.  In fact it would probably cost $300 ($200 for a
disk drive and $100 for software) unless you want to spend say another
$400 for an ink-jet printer.  That brings us up to say $700.  You can
buy the computer with the disk drive for say $1200 to $1700 ... So you
can easily do it for say $1700 to $2200.  That is rather less than the
$5000 add on that was talked about.  Basically, computer power that
was incredibly expensive in days of yore is now incredibly cheap.

					Your Humble Servant
					Solveig Throndardottir
					Totally Ignorant
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Baronial Qualifications
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:22:29
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
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In-reply-to: salley@niktow.canisius.edu's message of 14 Oct 92 16:59:42 GMT

William de Corbie greets the Rialto.

I would like to agree with Dagonell that holding a certain dangly
should not be a requirement for becoming a Baron. Merit-badges are
very precarious ways of telling whether a person is suited for
an office or a position. Hell, I'm a Pelican *and* I was one of the
founders of my Barony, *and* I have held major offices here for a
long time, and I don't have the Baronial service award; not because
I haven't earned it, nor because people hate me or are unwilling to
give it to me, but more probably because they think that a peer is
"above" such recognitions... (Swedish mindset at work here).

William
/not Baron material/
From: aboz@egf-bbs.uucp (Aboz the Untidy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Unescorted Minors at Events
Keywords: minors releases
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:35:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: egf-bbs.1992Oct12.043544.1059
Organization: EGF, MN Public Access Unix

At Our last event (the second we've held) a number of people came from an
incipient group about 100 miles away.  The attendees consisted ofone adult
and half a dozen or so teen-agers (14 to 17), none of whom had a release
signed by their parents.  What do you do in a case like that?  Tell them,
Sorry, you drove 2 hours for nothing?  Do you let then in and hope nothing
bad happens?  Do you try to fax (as if there are any fax machines in
Henning, MN) a signed release?  Well, we let them in.  Then we were
confronted with the 14 yr old who took Miller-in-the-Middle as an excuse
to grab some tush.  If he were an adult he would have been
slapped...repeatedly.
We are in the midst of planning our realy huge January event, and plan to
include a page in the flier stating "No one under 18 admitted without a
properly signed release".  You think that will help?
Just wondering if other groups have run into this.

-- 
Berwyn Aethelbryght, Pursuivant of the Shire of Elverod, Grand Forks, ND
                BKA (Known on the BBS as) Aboz the Untidy
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
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Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:18:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1558@niktow.canisius.edu> salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:
>..... If you don't 
>have a pickup, you ain't a _real_ fighter.  How is it in the other 10 kingdoms?

In the West, we have vans, we have pickups, we have station wagons, we even
have a couple of RVs, one trailing a sizable trailer (but he's a merchant).
But Jade of Starfall, the o/n/c/e/ six times and future King, drives a
natty little red Porsche (license plates SIR JADE) because he has a household
with vans and trucks and things to carry the encampment in.


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

(We have a Volkswagen minivan, and we pack it up to the gunwales [=bottom
edge of the windows], put all the bedding on top of that, and the kids
ride to the tourney lying down; there's about 18" headroom.)

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