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From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Cocker Spaniel - Looking for Info.
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:56:09 GMT
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1dc2m4INNc9u@agate.berkeley.edu> desouza@asmara.berkeley.edu writes:
> but in some conversations I had with friends at work, they tell me that
> Cockers are the most STUPID dogs you can get!

BZZZZZZT!  Wrong.

I think if you talk to enough people you can find someone with a prejudice
against just about any breed.  Cockers were bred to be hunting (as is gun, as
in COCKer) dogs, to sniff out small game (pheasant, quail, squirrel, rabbit) &
flush it out into the open, stay back while hunter shoots, & then retrieve game
on command (w/out eating it).  Obviously this takes intelligence, trainability,
& ability to bond w. humans, w/out being gunshy, timid, etc.  These are the
qualities that made Cockers such popular family pets rather than strictly
being used as hunting dogs.

I have encountered a few Bozos who seem to think that a Cocker isn't a "macho"
dog, or looks "to much like a little girl" (I think because of its long ears, w
fine feathering -- they can kind of look like they just came from an
appointment with the hairdresser) & so it isn't somehow macho enough or
something.  I think thaat such prejudices look as stupid when they're directed
toward dogs as they do when they're aimed at people, & therefore should be
ignored or corrected. (Is it possible to give a leash correction to co-workers'
stupid attitudes?)

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: int402h@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au (Mis R.L. Wail)
Subject: Scared Dogs
Summary: what to do when your dog is scared of the lino floor and wont even
Keywords: Afraid
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:29:48 GMT

Could someone please tell me what to do with my dog who is scared of our lino
floor.  She will only enter the room(the kitchen) when she is given food.  Even
that is becoming a problem.  When she was a puppy she would run around in the
room and now that she is slightly bigger (still not fully grown) she slips and
slides all over the floor.
We have tried most ways to get her used to the floor but nothing works.
Please Help as that room is the main room for her for most of the day.

Thankyou

rebecca
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:11:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: security gates
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  Maybe a dog run with a cover would be a better choice for you than a
very tall fence.  You can rest assured that your Doxie will stay
inside the covered run, but at some point, jump even a tall fence.
Some dogs get so hyped on escape, that they scale tall fences by
momentum alone.
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From: liboff35@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (gail sperling)
Subject: Re: Itchy & Scratchy
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:31:01 GMT


In article <1992Nov4.184950.20890@b30.ingr.com> you write:
>Yep.  Brewer's Yeast.  It comes in tablets or powder form.
>It's done wonders for my RottMonster, Moses. :>


How much and how often do you feed this to a dog the size of a springer
spaniel?

Gail



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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:27:35 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1dugmbINN9l8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>I have a question.  I took my almost five year old Pembroke
>Welsh Corgi to obedience classes.  We finished four of the 
>eight classes.  He did very well and he has learned nicely to
>sit, stay, and heel.  However, he refused to down.  This
>doesn't bother me because I wasn't interested in showing him.
>All I wanted was a better behaved dog.  However, he still
>barks to beat the band when the doorbell rings (or if the tv
>sounds like a door bell), when the telephone rings and he
>jumps on people and ignores me complete when he's told not 
>to.  Are there classes in behavior modification which is what I
>think he needs rather than obedience.  There must be others out there
>who would prefer this to obedience training which seems to be
>directed more toward showing dogs or having them in obedience
>trials.

A good obedience instructor should be able to help you with these problems,
even if the focus of the class is more on formal obedience.

Anyway.....

You need to make sure that there are negative consequences for him if
he does not listen.  I'd be inclined to hustle him off to his crate, I
think.  "Quiet!"  bark!  "No, quiet!", as you toss him in the crate.  
"Off!"  jump up  "No, off!", as you toss him in the crate.  

You don't have to leave him in there for long, just until he's been in there
for several QUIET minutes.  (So it might be best to try this in a set-up
situation -- YOU ring the doorbell, say -- rather than when there's
company and he's totally excited.)

The important thing is that he learn that there will be consequences for
not behaving.

Another thing that people do for barking or whining is put some noxious
(to the dog) substance in the mouth.  This reminds the dog that the mouth
is the problem.  Lemon juice sometimes works.  Hot sauce is another thing
that works.  But again, you have to say "quiet!" and then apply the lemon
RIGHT after the next bark.  So don't say "quiet!" unless you are poised and
ready to respond.

Good luck.  Corgis like to bark, and they like to jump up so they can
be closer to people!
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Crate and Tap Dogs When Traveling !!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:48:16 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Someone had already suggest that we put a note in the vehicle
giving emergency numbers.  I did it this afternoon, and not
only did I include my two emergency numbers, but I also included
the name and phoen number of Min's vet in case of a medical
emergency for her.  It makes me feel a lot better...I have one
in my wallet and one in the glove box.  I made sure I mentioned
that there is almost always a dog with me and I tried to describe her.

I hope that it will never have to be used, but as in your friend's
case you never know.  i hope Judy gets better real soon.

Suzanne
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:35:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pony.1992Nov11.003544.4398
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Damon Feldman asks:
> Do you believe that a Golden has as good a chance as a Shepherd of
> getting a Sch III (highest level of protection degree in one system)
> and that a Chessie has as good a chance as a Golden of of scoring in
> the high 90s in a regional obedience trial?

I know of no breed specific behaviors in those tests.  Therefore each
individual's chances vary with the quality of training he gets.

> Or do you not believe that the different breeds were created by
> breeding?

Separate question.  Of course there is variation between breeds.
There is wider variation between species.  Competent trainers get
required results across species, let alone breeds.

-- Jon
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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: What human foods should dogs not eat (besides chocolate)?
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com

PA>        What else, besides chocolate, should dogs not be allowed to
PA>eat, that humans normally do eat?

PA>        And, in the event that a dog is found to be eating something
PA>forbidden, is it better to induce vomiting (how?) or just call vet
PA>for emergency action?

Every dog is different, some dogs can tolorate table scraps, some it
will make ill. I try not to allow my dogs to have anything other than
dog food, liver, hot dogs and cheese. The liver, hot dogs and cheese are
used for training and given in small amounts. However with dogs and kids
the dogs will usually get food from the kids. Sugar is not good for
dogs, it can cause there blood sugar to vary and in some cases as with
one of my boxers cause a siezure. Anything with Nutra-Sweet I would
think would be bad for the dog as this is a chemical(there are drs. that
are now stating that humans should not be eating & drinking products
with Nutra-Sweet).
If you believe your dog has eaten something that is making it ill, I
would take the dog to the vet. I have a Boston who can not tolarate high
levels of fat and she will be come extremely ill. We would not have
known what was making her ill and probably would have lost her had we
not taken her to the vet.
The best rule of thumb would be only to feed your dog a high quality dog
food and forgo the human food except for the occasional treat. This way
if your dog becomes ill you will have a general idea what caused it, be
able to tell the vet what the dog has eaten and decide together if it
was the food or something eles.
I would not induce vomiting, unless you know for sure what the dog has
eaten that has made it ill, and have been told by your vet that this is
the proper course to take. In some cases it is better to give something
to coat the stomach than to induce vomiting. Inducing Vomiting could
cause more damage than what the dog has already ingested.

Kathleen Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:10:03 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Need a DES source for Vet
Comment-To: r_hardin@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  What's the "problem" with DES?  Like Thalidomide, it's a nightmare
drug.
  They used it on humans in the 50's to prevent miscarriage.  The DES
victims all started getting cancer 10 years later.  The female bbabie
of the DES victims are called DES babies.  An overwhelming number have
severe deformities of the reproductive organs.  What is Worse, it
appears to be genetic, as the Grandchildren of the DES victims are
showing up with the reproductive organ defects.
  The damn thing is apparently too dangerous to leave on the market..
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: dog-racing vs. horse-racing
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:22:04 GMT

Not to be starting a non-dog thread here, but...

Yes, horse racing is just as bad for the animals as
dog racing.  People buy "thoroughbred" horses and 
see nothing but $$$ - "a RACE horse!  We'll win BIG!
and then stud fees - WOW - MILLIONAIRES!"  Pretty much
the same as people asking me "oh, you have a pure bred
dog - are you going to breed her and make some money?"
It's just ignorance, plain and simple.

I have friends who have rescued "retired" race horses
(i.e. the horse lost lots of money for it's owner and
was sent to auction to be sold for dog food for about $50.)

Often these owners of "race" horses really don't know how
bad off their horses are.  They spend a bundle on a horse,
send it to a trainer, send it to a track, pay for minimum
care, and don't realize the horse never leaves its stall,
has the stall cleaned once a week, maybe, and gets very
minimum food.  If the horse is "slow" it's kept hopped up
on drugs so it will run - a hopped up horse left in a stall
is not a pretty sight.  Usually such an animal would need
extra food to burn off and they don't get it.  A friend of mine
just rescued a horse which was more than 200 lbs. UNDER weight.

Most horse racing tracks around here in New Jersey are old
established tracks (monmouth, freehold, atlantic city) and
do bring in a LOT of money for the surrounding area.  You'd
never get them shut down.  They even race on Sunday now - I
pity the people who live in the area and have to deal with
the traffic all weekend.

There is always the other side of the coin where you have an
established racing stable, with healthy clean horses, who are
bred carefully (you think dog pedigrees are complicated?) and
live at "home" when they are not running.  If a horse doesn't
work out as a racer, it is worked with and privately sold as
a pleasure horse.

It sometimes looks to me like horses are even more disposable
than dogs or cats.  You can almost always sell a horse, even if
it's at the horse auction and it goes to Alpo for $.50 a pound.
People don't see horses as "pets" as much as they do cats and
dogs (except for my friends who make edible Christmas wreaths
for their horses out of hay and carrot tops!)

Yeah, it's an unfair business to the animals either way.
From: mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: REPOST! Eng. Bulldog or Grt Dane rescue
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallua.1992Nov12.115317.1
Organization: Gallaudet University

REPOST!!   I am looking for an English Bulldog Rescue organization.  If anyone
knows of an organization in the Baltimore/Washington area pls let me know.
Northern Virginia would also be ok.   Someone did send e-mail and I thank you
for the info but CO and CA are a bit too far.

Also I am also interested in a Grt. Dane Rescue in the same areas.

Thanks Much.

Mary Ann
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey)
Subject: Rescue for Racing Greyhounds?!?
Reply-To: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:57:40 GMT

I was wondering if anyone out there could get me in touch
with a Greyhound rescue group in Alabama or the area.

Much Appreciated.
G. Scott Downey
Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)

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From: puter@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: Re: cats
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:56:23 GMT

 onda@ab.wvnet.edu borishly states...

>		i am bored
>		i hate dogs and i love cats
>		'nuff said

unsubscribe rec.pets.dogs
subscribe rec.pets.cats
'nuff said back

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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: Abuse/Animal Rights
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:38:09 GMT

In article <BxGn5s.2IA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ml31157@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Latash ) writes:
>Dear Netters:
>
>I have just recently read the post about the Wasington Post article.  What can
>I say?  I believe this man was very cruel, and that he deserved to AT LEAST  
>be fined for $1000, if not spend some time in jail.  I think anmal abuse is
>wrong, despite what the law has to say about it, or chooses to do or not do
>about it.

A long discription deleted.

>Let me hear your thoughts.  Let me answer your questions.
>
>Dr. Mike, D.V.M.
>
Let me hear you take this to alt.talk.politics.animal.  It does not
need to be posted here, as it will only create a HUGE flame war!

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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee   5.95 mo. sable and white collie
From: diannes@stein.u.washington.edu (Dianne Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Ethical Question
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:12:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.221213.23448
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Steve Hocevar < steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca > writes:

>I want to get the nets feelings on something.....
>
>If this gentleman got a pup from the the pound and say it was a pup that WAS
>going to be put down the very next day, do you think "even if it didn't work
>out, at least this pup had a chance and its life was extended a little bit
>longer" or are you from the school of thought that thinks "its better the
>pup be put down than possibly be neglected"?


Steve,

I have dealt with a number of dogs who have been mishandled, most
particularly my own rescue dog Chloe.  Chloe suffered a certain amount 
of abuse in her first home but sustained more and longer-lasting damage
as a result of the neglect she experienced there.  Dogs are intelligent
and sensitive creatures and to be in a situation that DOESN'T MAKE SENSE 
is a torment to them.  What constitutes cruelty would not necessarily fit 
a textbook definition of abuse or neglect; I have often seen well-meaning
owners inflicting the most bizarre forms of mental torture on their dogs. 

I would ten times rather put a dog down with my own hands than see it go 
into a situation like that.

***************************************************************************
Dianne & her kids:                                 diannes@u.washington.edu
            K.C.: U-CD Nightwind's Elan, HC HCT CGC (Briard)
             Chloe: Found a Four-Leaf Clover, HT CGC (OES)
***************************************************************************
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From: burnstc@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Thomas C Burns)
Subject: Old English Sheepdog questions
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:46:36 GMT

Since I own (or am owned by) two terrific mutts, a friend in Cleveland called
asking my advice.  Since I wasn't sure, I'd like some opinions/info.

She's interested in getting an OES or a mostly-OES mix (she thinks they're
cute.)  Her recent divorce left her with the house, van, and kids. She wants
a burglar alarm that will be good with the 2- and 4-year old kids.  Space,
shedding, $$$ for vet/food/etc will be no problem.  Having known her for
years, I would trust her to treat an animal well.  Her flexible work schedule
would keep the dog from being alone for hours on end.

My question: is an OES appropriate for her situation?  I have no experience 
with the breed.  Are they good with small kids?  How are they as middle-of-
the-night burglar alarms?

Next question: where can she find one without spending big $$$ for a
purebreed?  She'd be happy with a mix.  She's watching the local shelter
and Sunday paper.  She's thought about going to a breeder in either
Michigan or Philly, so travelling a bit to get a dog is no problem.  Any
rescue groups in the northern Midwest?

Any help/info/opinions appreciated.  I'm not Tom (just borrowing his
account 'til mine's set up), but e-mail to him will reach me pronto.
Thanks in advance.

Dan C.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Stopping greyhound track
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:01:02 GMT

I was going to keep out of the fray but...

Before I begin, I point out that, while I have used this post as a
vehicle to comment on, my comments are not directed particularly to
its author.  I haven't time to respond to all; this one happened to
be around when I decided to post.

In article <1992Nov10.144844.1@scivax.stsci.edu> toolan@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
= 
= 	For anyone who wants to know of the horrors that can befall racing
= Greyhounds in the hands of unscrupulous/uncaring people, get ahold of the

Why single out greyhounds?  That can be said of anything including
people.

= August 1992 issue of Readers Digest and read the article entitled "The Shame
= of an American Sport" (or something close to that).  It speaks of dogs that
= are nearly starved to death; of sick dogs not receiving treatment without
      ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^

This makes absolutely no sense.  Only an absolute idiot would
starve a dog and expect it to be able to run faster than another
dog fed adequately.  Ditto for a sick dog.  I can think of two
possibilities:  First Readers Digest needs something to compete
with the "I had a martian's baby" rags at the supermarket checkout
or, more likely, people accustomed to the appearance of overweight
dogs don't know what a dog in working condition *should* look like.
It's the same problem with trying to show a field dog--if the dog
in in proper field condition, it is "too skinny" to show in many
cases.

Frankly, I have little confidence in anything that I read in, or
hear on, the mass media, including Readers Digest.  First, the
people who write those articles (or shows) rarely know anything
about the subject so they try to interpret something about which
they haven't a clue in terms of their own experience with unrelated
things.  Being human, it isn't easy to interpret something you
don't understand--some honestly try, some don't.  Second, a
question:  Which will sell more magazines (or produce better
ratings), a story about these horrible abuses or one that calmly
describes what goes on with a typical X (where X can be any subset
of the known or unknown universe)?  Sensationalism sells...

Note that I'm not saying that there are no abuses.  There are
abuses in every field humans touch.  What I am saying is to take
some of the mass-media hype with a grain of salt.  How often have
you read stuff in the media that happened to relate to your field
of expertise only to say "What incredible hogwash!"  If they can't
get it right in *your* field of expertise, what makes you think
that they can in others?

[...]
= 	This is not to say that there are not reputable, caring 
= breeders/trainers of Greyhounds--only that SOMETHING must be done to police
= the scumbags who see only $$$$$$$$ and feel that the dog that doesn't win is
= worthless trash.

I repeat:  There is no shortage of disreputable, unscrupulous,
scumbags in *any* field.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:40:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.223150.6967@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Chris Barnes asks:
>> why is there some animals (within
>> a species) that trainers will get NO results with?
>
>And have you stopped beating your wife?
>
>Motion to divide the question, as Roberts rules would
>put it.  I challenge the assumptions made by either
>question.
>
>I have yet to meet an untrainable animal.
>So has the scientific literature.
>
>-- Jon
>
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  


Is any of this supposed to make sense?  Why don't we get to the point,
which I thought was the importance of careful breeding in working dogs.

Mike
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