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From: syoung@pecanpi.UUCP (Stan Young)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Single Shot Ban?  I don't think so...
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:31:39 GMT
Organization: Pecan Pi, Doraville, Georgia


In article <1992Aug7.072645.1308@nntp.hut.fi> r36110m@kaira.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava) writes:
#I've often wondered why is a buttstock (is this the correct term for a
#"rifle-like" stock to be used with a handgun?) considered dangerous in
#US? At least here in Finland it is very much easier to get a permit
#for a rifle than a pistol (because you can't hide a rifle as well and
#because hunting is quite popular here), and I can not imagine any
#reason why such a thing would make an otherwise short, easily
#concealed weapon more dangerous. Maybe one can fire more accurately
#with one than without, but I doubt this can be an issue, as a good
#shooter can hit quite well with just a bare handgun.

Mika, there's a rational explanation for it - only the explanation involves
politics, not guns.  In the peculiar form of representative democracy that
we have in this country, the only requirement for a bill to become law is 
that enough folks in Congress vote for it.  (If it doesn't follow the 
requirements set forth in the US Constitution, it may be overturned by the 
courts, but that won't come until later.)

Anyhow, back in 1934, a bill called the National Firearms Act was passed.
The stated intent of the Congresscritters was to pass a law that would cut
down on the gangland violence of the period.  They voted to tax - not ban,
but tax - certain types of guns that were supposed to be used by gangsters.
(They couldn't legally ban gun sales, but they could tax them.)  They taxed 
fully automatic weapons and short-barrelled rifles and shotguns. Then, as now,
many pistols and rifles shared the same cartridges - so the pistols with a 
stock were included in the law.  

Never mind the fact that the guns listed weren't the ones that were really 
being used for most of the criminal activity of the day.  As a matter of fact,
one of the main effects of the law was to eliminate the popular "bicycle" guns.
As I said, they don't have to make any sort of sense.

<Stuff deleted>

#Please understand that I ask this just for curiousness, this is not
#intended as an opinion about a correct gun policy or anything similar. 
#BTW, which one is generally easier to get permit for in the US, a
#handgun or a rifle?

Mika, here it gets really weird.  This stuff is regulated primarily at the
state level, not at the national level - and the laws vary a lot from state
to state.  I live in Georgia; I don't need a permit to buy a rifle, shotgun, 
or pistol.  If I lived in New Jersey, for example, I'd need a permit to buy 
any of them.  (That's one reason why I live in Georgia!)

No system of government is perfect.  Ours is pretty good, but we do have
to put up with little quirks like this.

-- 
Stan Young                                {emory, slammer}!pecanpi!syoung
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Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: AR-15 in 7.62X39
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:47:28 GMT


  canders%lacerta.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Cliff Anderson CIRT) writes:

#Has anyone out there heard about the new Colt AR15 rifles in 7.62 by 39 cal.
#This sounds like a good idea from the folks at Colt.  You know!!
#Cutting in on the SKS market.  Well I'm sure it cost alot more.

  What's a matter with a Ruger Mini-30?  (P.S.  I bought mine years ago
  before Ruger's assinine statements about gun control.  Gimme a break).  
  It doesn't even have that nasty "assualt rifle" look.  Looks just like
  a good deer rifle.  Well, maybe, except for the barrel shroud.   ;-)

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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Top Man Stoppers???
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:33:47 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <1992Aug11.040843.18819@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:

##I'd stay away from similar sized light-kicking guns like the SKS and
##Mini-14 that fire real rifle ammo because of the overpenetration problem

#Oh, I forgot to mention.  He lives in a trailer miles away from anyone.

Well in THAT case, I recommend the Mini-14! The recoil is _very_ light,
it's very reliable, it's abundantly accurate enough for close-range use,
and a 30-round magazine would provide more than enough fire power. And the
holes in his trailer should be small enough that they're easy to patch. 8^)
Soft-point ammo would probably be best. 



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From: system@hale.cts.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Top Man Stoppers???
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:30:59 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:

# In article <1992Aug9.104019.25582@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.e
# ...
# #BTW, nothing to do with anything: How does 20 ga recoil compare with
# #that of an SKS 7.62x39?   Which would be bettter for self defense?
# 
# #An aquaintance wants a long gun for self defense, but is rather small and
# #light, saying that a 12 ga is terrible to shoot and would be useless to
# #him.  Has never tried 20 ga (neither have I),  but I have tried an SKS
# #and thought recoil wasn't bad at all, and that it is a neat little rifle.
# 
# #BTW2, There is a maniac who is stalking him, in jail for it now, but due 
# #to get out soon.  The aquaintance is expecting a Cape Fear type summer,*
# #and wants something useful that he can learn to use quickly.   He has a 
# #.22 rifle now, but may not purchace handguns due to being 20 years of age.
# 
# Sounds bad. Given the parameters, I would recommend a semi-automatic
# carbine. The 20 gauge idea isn't bad--I suppose a 20 gauge loaded with #4
# buck (they do make those in 20 gauge, don't they?) would be quite deadly.


I don't know how small and light your partner is, but there are some
highly developed defensive loads in 410 bore now too, and downloaded 
versions of the same suitible (and expressly marketed towards) women.

One 410 load that comes to mind is a shell loaded with 000 buck times 3,
there are several well designed, reduced load 12 gauge shells also
exclusivly marketed towards defensive use with special features such as
a reversed finned wad that won't go too far.


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From: shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: S&W Model 1917 for sale
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:47:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


Smith & Wesson Model 1917 for sale.  45 cal. revolver, using .45 auto
ammo with half-moon clips.  Good used condition.  Original and oversized
grips.  Include ammo to local purchaser.

$150 o.b.o.

217/356-1265
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From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Milt Sparks Firestar holster
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:33:55 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

I have a right handed Summer Special Milt Sparks holster for
a Firestar for sale. It's been used, but not much wear showes.

My cost was $42, I'll sell it for $32 shipped. 

In case you are wondering why I'm selling it, I had some custom
safeties and slide stop installed, and the holter no longer fits.

-Chris L
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From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 10mm information needed
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:54:54 GMT
Organization: Express Access -- Greenbelt, Maryland  USA


I have been looking around for another handgun to buy (got 
that Gun Buying Jones!) and ran into a Colt Delta Match gun
in 10mm.  Now, I shoot a lot of .45 and some 9mm, but 10mm
is something that I know nothing about.  So, I will just 
spew the noise that I have heard about it, and then people
who know what the hell they are TALKING about on 10mm can 
have the fun of publically correcting me ;-)

I heard that the FBI was going to use them, but dropped them.
Why?  For good, or political reasons?

I have heard that they have feeding problems with some ammo.
Any more than other cartridges?  Anything good or bad about the
Colt in particular (looks like a 1911 frame to me, which I like).

I have heard all sorts of stories that they kick hard with 
"full power" cartridges, yet it felt softer than my 1911 in
.45 ACP when I shot it.  

What do they mean by "full power" and "wimp cartridges" in 10mm.

Is this cal going to hang around, or just fade away?

How does it look for stopping power, vs. the .40 S&W, 9mm, .45?

Is this a real weapon, or an "orphan gun" that nobody likes,
for good reason?



Hey, we had to have something other than the traditional
glock vs. sig wars.  Thanks for any information that you 
can give me on this.



Doug Humphrey
doug@digex.com
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From: lairdb@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Taking firearms into Mexico?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:44:05 GMT


We seem to have regular discussions on taking guns into, owning guns in,
etc. etc. for Canada (to the point where it needs to be in the fabled
FAQ) bit I haven't seen anything on Mexico.

Does anyone have any knowlege of this?  Never?  Any time, anything?
Varies state by state?  Only if you're personal buddies with ______?

Just to fuel the discussion, I'll throw in some rumors:  I've heard at
various times that shotguns are either no problem, or no problem subject
to some sort of routine formality, and I've heard both that handguns 
are strictly forbidden, and that only handguns in "military" calibers
are against the rules.

Any facts?

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From: danield@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: X's on bullets (was Re: Occasional Dud in Glock 20)
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:23:48 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
#And there is a combination of Dum-Dum and hp ammo: Hornady manufactures 
#HP/XTP (eXtra Terminal Performance) bullets which are jacketed hollowpoints
#with small slits cut in the jacketing around the hollow point.  This is
#supposed to offer improved expansion: it *does* make a mean looking bullet.
#
#[As far as I can tell, the XTP bullets are sold as projectiles only -- 
#meaning you have to load them yourself.]

Hornady XTP's are avalible already loaded, at elast for Hand Gun calibers.
I have a Box of Hornady .45ACP 200 grain Jacketed Hollow Point XTP's
that I keep around 'just in case'.
From: lriggins@afit.af.mil (L. Maurice Riggins)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: SKS v Mini-30 ammo
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:01:10 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug17.162444.14745@hawkmoon.mn.org> gray@hawkmoon.mn.org (Bill Gray) writes:
#I own an SKS and while talking to a shooting buddy about the Mini-30, he
#said that the bore of the Mini-30 was slightly smaller than the SKS and that
#shooting the cheap surplus ammo through the Mini-30 was a good way to rip
#the throat out of it.  He said you had to use the expensive new factory
#ammo or reload for it, but the military surplus stuff was no good.

The Mini-30 is barreled for .308" bullets and the SKS/AK-47 for .311".
I'm not sure if shooting mil surplus ammo would damage the bore, but I
wouldn't do it if I really valued the gun (but then again, I reload and
wouldn't have a problem using .308" bullets).

#Is this true, or was my buddy misinformed?  Can surplus ammo be safely fired
#in Mini-30s?  What about the new AR-15 chambered for 7.62x39?

Don't know about the AR-15 bore.
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From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Oops (was Re: Beginners ?'s on caliber)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:07:33 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Aug19.235759.20730@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>, ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) writes:
#ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) writes:
#
#Denis Cohen has politely pointed out to me that I goofed.
#
##Of course, there are some confusions  -  some cartridges were given a
##calibre in inches which was larger than the bullet diameter, thus 
##.38 Special is a .357 and .32 ACP is a .308 (30-calibre).
#
#.32 ACP is NOT a .308 calibre.
#

	Any '32' gives me the willies: I've seen diameters from 
	~.305 to .340 called 32 cal. Very strange that this designation
	has _so_ many different 'standard' diameters.

-c
-Chris L
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From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re:  X's on Bullet
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:39:25 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego

In article <1992Aug11.232926.15819@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
#In article <9208070956.AA18295@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
#
#}My favorite movie trick - drill out the bullets, put a drop or
#}two of mercury in the cavity, and re-seal it.  I believe this was
#}done in the movie 'The Exterminator.'
#
#"Day of the Jackal", both book and film.
#
#}They never did say what advantages this gives....
#
#It was supposed to make the bullet "explode" on impact -- actually a
#primitive version of the Glaser or MagSafe. (The mercury is supposed to
#splash forward out of the slug and wreak general havoc on the target).
#I've no idea if it would actually work.  Fiction is a poor source of
#factual information on such things (is that a tautology?).  I can see how
#the wound would be a nightmare to treat.  Getting all the mercury out
#would be nearly impossible.

The authors of these works are apparently unaware that mercury forms
an amalgam with many metals.  In particular, mercury in contact with
lead will simply dissolve into the lead leaving you with shiny lead.

Of course, you could go to a lot of trouble to seal the contact area
between the mercury and the lead, perhaps with a wax or plastic coating,
but why bother?  Better performing rounds are available off the shelf
for reasonable prices.  And what's available doesn't present a great
disposal hazard.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
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From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Holding a perp at gunpoint
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:33:58 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <1992Aug11.173950.12257@news.yale.edu> swatt%mickey@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt) writes:
#
#In article <1992Aug10.164727.11843@csd.brispoly.ac.uk>, th2_oate@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Tom Oates) writes:
#|> If you have to hold someone at gunpoint. Make them drop their trousers
#|> around their ankles (slows them down if they try to run) and
#|> make them lie on the floor spread-eagled and face down. Move behind 

#This is *NOT* good advice.
#
#Unless you are a peace officer with power of arrest, you are not concerned
#with the perp running away.  Having his pants down around his ankles
#might throw his shooting off a bit, but I wouldn't count on it.

Ok, here we go again...

Here's how it works in Massachusetts :

- If the perp escapes, and is not subsequently captured, you will have
to deal with the responding officer regarding your use of the gun (it's
"use" even if you merely display it).  You may or may not face criminal
charges depending on what you did, how you explain it to the officer,
his mood, the jurisdiction, departmental attitudes, etc.  You won't be
sued civilly since there insn't a plaintiff.
v
- If you capture the perp (or the police do later), you will most likely
face felony assault charges when the perp files an assault  complaint (if
he doesn't think of it, his attorney will!!).  The DA may even grant the
perp immunity if he testifies against you, since the "gun assault charge" 
may be more desirable to the persecutor than the original criminal assault
against you.  There is also the likelyhood of a civil suit since the 
plaintiff may see some "free money" (his attorney may even suggest it as
a way of raising money to pay the legal fees on the criminal charge).

Holding someone is bad because :

(a) It increases the chances you will have to shoot him/her [and the
local DA will make a big point of this]

(2) It increases the chances you will face criminal charges of assault;
unlawful imprisonment, and (yes, they can get creative) sexual assault
for making him/her pull his pants down.

(3) It creates the otherwise virtually non existant poccibility of a 
civil suit.


Rob Boudrie
rboudrie@chpc.org
From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .22 grouping
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:23:37 GMT
Organization: russ at home

I was out at the range yesterday to try and group an AMT .22 rifle. 
I'd had it for some time, and had been firing Winchester Wildcat to
good effect, and decided that now was the time to pick out a target
ammo that it would like.

I set up a rough center using some Remington bulk ammo, and found that
it really didn't group well at all.  The scope (Burris Safari in 4x)
had wandered (semi-loose mounts) and I had the reset the center. 
Groups (unmeasured) were real loose, about 3 inches at 50 yards (all
shooting was done at 50 yards).

I shot 2 groups of 10 rounds each using 4 different ammos.  Grouping
was from 3" (CCI Green Tag), 3" from Hansen Std Vel Target to .75"
with PMC Zapper to .5" with PMC Target.

The groups were shot staggered, so it's not wind or anything, but I'm
still curious about the poor showing of the "target" ammo.  Is it the
lack of a target chamber? 

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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Recommendation wanted for handgun in .22 LR (including Berettas)
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:35:56 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <9208182111.AA15195@network.ucsd.edu> mbh@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
}... I also like
}the Beretta 21 and the other miniature Beretta in .22 Short.

Don't waste your time or money on the Beretta Minx (.22 short).  I have
one (gift from a friend).  I never use it.  It isn't accurate enough to be
fun.  It isn't reliable enough, or powerful enough, for defense.  If you
don't brush out the chamber and barrel between magazines it will reliably
jam after about 10 shots. (I suspect they come with a brush for just that
reason).  It's also picky about ammunition (anything less than high
velocity SuperX won't cycle the action).

I know one other person who has one of these.  They have the same set of
complaints.

I can think of only two things the Minx might be good for:

     1.  Teaching a child, with small hands, about gun use and safety.

     2.  Assassinations. (They're easy to silence and conceal and the .22
         is very deadly, though not a good stopper.  I hear the Mosaad
         particularly favors them for this purpose).

Speaking of children, if you have any around, note that the Minx can be
loaded and fired without working the slide -- not that it takes much
strength to work in any case.

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From: ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm major / 9x21 reloading question
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:44:02 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

#So if you load a 9mm up super hot, in a special gun, it can equal a 
#38 Super... 

#...I wonder why not just get a .38 super for this purpose? 

#Is there something bad about the .38 Super that I am not aware of, or 
#is it simply consumer preference?    I know about the semi-rimmed nature
#of the cartridge, but to my knowlege it does not effect performance.

#The Astra A-80s were made in 9mm, 30 Luger, and .38 Super, with 15+1
#rds for each caliber, and in .45 ACP, but the .30 and .38 have been
#left out of the A-100 line, due to a lack of consumer interest, I 
#would guess.

The Astra and the Sig-Sauer P220 were as far as I know the only European
auto pistols chambered for the .38 Super.  Guns like the CZ75 or the
Browning P35, very popular in Europe, were only chambered for 9mm, and
I guess it seemed a lot easier to beef up the load to make "major" (I'm
not an IPSC shooter, and I have only a hazy idea of the ideological and
religious wars that go on in this area) than to use a relatively uncommon
calibre.  Ease of access to components and and a wide range of ammo
for practice would also be a factor.

#The .30 is a pretty wacky caliber*, imo, but I see nothing wrong with
#the .38 Spr, and I see little reason to prefer 9mm chambering to it, 
#especialy for the reloader.

In some European countries (Italy, for sure) civilians are not allowed
to possess pistols in "military" calibres.  Same thing is, I think
true of Mexico?  9x19 and .45 ACP are military, 7.65 Luger and
.455 Webley auto are not (even though they once were, but who said
bureaucrats had to be logical), so you'll still find these cartridges
in use.

#*(It seems strange to have a full sized gun chambered to fire .32 ACP size
#bullets.)

Yes, but it fires them a bit quicker than the .32 ACP blowbacks :-)

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From: SYSTEMM@FRED.ALHRG.WPAFB.AF.MIL (System Manager Wuest)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Man stoppers
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:53:10 GMT


   I've been following the thread on stringing buckshot together.  That was
   an *old* joke.  Goes like this:

    Take a 00 buck load, empty the lead balls, then throw one away.  Crimp
    the remaining balls onto a _wire_ fishing leader, just like split shot.  
    Re-pack.  When you shoot a deer, make it a going away shot.  Saves you 
    the trouble of field dressing.  Ha, Ha!  Yuk, yuk, yuk!   :-)

   I never fell for the joke, but it does sound like an *awsum* load.  That
   is, if you could hit anything beyond 10 feet away!  If anybody has *real
   life* experience with such a load, please post.  Some of the speculation
   is almost as funny as the joke.

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