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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Rating brothers and white guys
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:08:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.193626.21427@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>
>did i say that she should have stayed with the first guy given her opinion
>of him? no.  but when i look at the list i see a reasonably consistent
>pattern of philanderers, drug users, and mental cases.  the fact that
>she (apparently) finds herself attracted to such types on a fairly regular
>basis tells me a lot about her.  keep in mind that i don't know *anything*
>about the guys of which she speaks; i only know of them from her viewpoint
>which is heavily filtered by the inner workings of her mind, therefore,
>to draw any inferences of how "good" these guys were loads heavily into
>the assumption that gabrielle is a "good" person who is being repeatedly
>"victimized" by men who aren't.  yeah, sure, i'm ready to hear another
>shaggy dog story...

 i gotta say, anyone who can't find the "right" man has got a problem within
>themselves.  because the whole thing about a "right man" is totally bogus,
>there's no such thing.  you can get along with practically anyone if the
>parties involved are determined to make it work.  the problem is finding
>the joint determination to do so.  but as it takes "two to tango" it's
>impossible to really assess why gabrielle is (ostensibly) running this
>unbroken string of losers (based on *her* opinion), or do i wish to spend
>my time thinking about it, but i can't help but wonder why she seems to
>keep running across guys that have these characteristics that she says
>she doesn't like.  is it that she has an inability to learn from past
>experience?  i just don't know...
.
.
Sorry, shrink Ron, Mr.  Sanctimoniousness of 1992, but that was
then--18 some-odd years ago.  You're hammering on stuff that on
previous posts I've insisted that folks look at themselves, look at
themselves as to why they hang with certain people. So, what's to
condemn?
.
I'm still working on meeting the right person for my life, hopefully
black and with more sense, intelligence, and sensitivity than you
could ever evince.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Carl Part 2
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:29:46 GMT

What is the truth here?  Was that a Freudian slip?

                          -Carl
 
You must be getting good grades in psychology.  Is that your major? <smile>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Clinton (Moscow)
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:40:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.124022.25924@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
> *    Consider the source: these scurrilous charges were started by
> Bob Dornan ranting on the House floor, who admits he has no evidence
> and was "speculating."

Bzzt. Dornan made the charge that Clinton was organizing anti-war
demonstrations in London. This was first denied, then, well, sort
of, admitted; yes, he organized a "teach-in".
Dornan made "speculation" because Clinton kept changing his story.

> *    There's a name for Bush's attack -- red-baiting.  Bush might

There's a name for using Clinton's response -- McCarthy-baiting.
It is extreme hyperbole to call Bush name like Clinton has done.
Why can't Clinton just answer a straight question with a straight
answer?

> *    Clinton's travels took him to Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland,
> Russia, and Prague, Czechoslovakia before returning to England.
> Clinton traveled Europe as a tourist -- not to attend any meeting or
> demonstration.  While in Norway, he visited a friend from Hot Springs
> who was attending Oslo University.  He met Father McSorley
> coincidentally at the Oslo train station, they traveled to the
> University where Clinton was introduced to McSorley's friends, and
> then Clinton went to visit his friend.

This contradicts McSorley's account in his book "Peace Eyes."

> *    Clinton has repeatedly said that he opposed the war in Vietnam
> and that he attended several anti-war marches.  He participated in no
> anti-American demonstrations.

Kind of funny though. All these years as Arkansas Governor and he was
mighty quiet about it to them.

Pat
		Bill Clinton: The Status-Quo Candidate
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Those debates
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:21:05 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <ISBELL.92Oct12075153@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>It was great!
>
>Perot won the soundbite war.  The best line:

	Yeah, but his right hand man, Stockdale lost the VP debate miserably!
He was slouching! First rule of debating broken.

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Happy Columbus Day
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:27:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.192825.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>
>WANTED: Articles on wether we should glorify Christiopher Columbus or not?
>        I'm kind of suprised that nobody has posted an article on this subject
>        since Columbus Day has come and gone.  I planned on posting one about   
>        two weeks ago, but it slipped my mind.  I plan on posting one pretty  
>        soon though.  Please be precise and supportive of your arguments. 
>        Please don't be overly wordy either.  I tend to overlook very long
>        respsonses.

As to what I think of Columbus, here is a line from Burning Spear :

"Christopher Columbus, is a damn blasted liar..."

Femi. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:51:51 GMT

I thought I would just share this with you ...


} Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:38:32 EDT
} From: bfried@attmail.att.com (Burton D Fried)
} To: lovegod@wam.umd.edu
} Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
} Newsgroups: soc.motss
} In-Reply-To: <1992Oct13.132136.27014@wam.umd.edu>
} References: <h4mpxja@lynx.unm.edu>
} Organization: AT&T
} Cc: 

} You're light skinned because your great great grandmother probably
} asked her master to make her feel good!

Boys and Girls, this problem is very real.

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re:  Mr. Moore
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:08:32 GMT

Like I said before, I could care less about who you or anybody else dates.
The situation I described might be able to be applied in black on black 
relationships.  But would you rather have a black man call you a stupid ass  
nigger or a white man.....honestly..........I thought so !!!!!!!!!.
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 18:36:46 -0400 
From: "George W. Hunter" <gh29+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Black racism-Language

In reference to a response by David A. Johns@elm.circa.

  Regardless of when we blacks or Africn Americans decided what would be
appropriate term to classify ourselves by; we were black.  I know this
may sound a little elementry, but we were always black.  So a
description of us as a peoples would be.....black.  After looking in the
dictionary, there is no arguing that the terms associated with "black"
are extremely negative.  Why is this; why is the term "black" considered
not pure and "white" pure? 

 The development of new terms in language reflect the sentiments and
feelings of the people who use that language, but more importantly the
acceptance of these new terms relies upon the willingness of the
literate public to broadly accept and use these terms.  

 It is naive to imply that in the United states over the last 300+ years, when
these terms were developed, there is no actual, overt or otherwise,
significance to the implication that these "black" negativisms reflect a
social attitude which is wholy negative toward the black peoples.  These
terms didn't just develop in a vaccum.  To assume the inferences pose no
sociological implications and had nothing to do with the fact that we
were black and in general, the majority, literate public dispised us and
thought subordinate and impure because were black is ludicrous.  Please
don't give yourself a false sense of security and delude yourself to
this misunderstanding.  Please in the immortal words of Spike Lee "wake
up".  
  

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From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:48:31 GMT

In the midst of all this talk about dating or not dating white people,
someone mentioned that he had a white girlfriend, but yet his politics
was "black". I'm sorry, but I have a problem with that. How can one's
politics be "black", yet the person has a white woman? Maybe some of you
guys who love white women so much can enlighten me on that. :-) BTW, one
can still be educated, not flashy, geeky and still find black women to
go out with... There are many educated single black women out there...
Don't do black women a disservice by suggesting that they only like
hoodlums. Give them more respect than that. If we do not respect the
black women who bore us, how can we respect ourselves?

Nuff said,
Femi.
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Interracial Dating
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:52:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Oct11.145256.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University


	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial

marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing

the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition

against dating interracial and gave them reasons why.  I said that black women

come in all different shapes and colors so why should I date outside of my 

race.  I also said that I am not physically stimulated by white females.  It

seems as if everyone agreed with my opinion except for this one guy.  He said

that for me not to see every female as one color was typical of a bigot, and he

called me a racist.  Being called a racist hurt me very much, but it hurt even 

more being that this guy was my BEST FRIEND.  It shock me very much that my 

best friend, who is black, was calling me a racist because I won't date outside 

my race.  I go to an "all-white" college in Ohio, and I am approached by white

females everyday should I start dating outside my race or what?  Do you

consider me a racist?  I want to know.

                           Chris Hill
                           BGSU
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From: spiff@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Jason Leigh)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.145419.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>Mr. Jones I think for you to slander another person the way you did was not
>called for.  Mr. Leigh was just expressing the view held by many blacks who
>disagree with interracial dating and marriage.  I for one also disagree as you 
Thank you for coming to my defence but no I did not say I was against
interracial relationships/marriages.  I simply said that I respected and
honored Mr. Anthony's opinion, even though I do not agree with it. I have
no problem with interracial relationships, it's purely the choice of
the couple.  We can offer advice but they are always free to take it or
leave it.

Jason Leigh

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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Black Racism - Language
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:35:07 GMT

djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:

|>In article <3779.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) writes:

|># Following the previously discussed concept of "A little racism
|># towards Whites every once in a while", I'm looking for examples of
|># Black Racism towards Whites in language. Derogatory remarks like
|># "Whitefeather" or "Whitesock".

|>I'm not sure I follow your intent here.

|>Are you referring to negative associations with the word "black", as
|>in "black market", "blackball", "black magic", etc.?  These are not
|>examples of "white racism toward blacks", because the associations
|>existed long before people of African ancestry decided they wanted to
|>be called black.  And as far as I know, the number of such expressions
|>has not increased in the 25 years or so since that decision was made.

I can't quite agree with this. While it may be true that in the
origination of the above terms no racism was meant but your reasoning
as to why is not valid.

What people of African ancestry want to be called has nothing to do with
what people not of African ancestry called us. The term "black" was
definitely an adjective which was used to describe people of African decent
way more than 25 years ago.

The same is true with "redskins". The indians never called themselves that
and find it offensive from the programs that I have seen. Yet, America
freely calls one of its professional football franchises by this name.
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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 10 Oct 1992 23:11:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <Qephdxi00WBLI1KoE1@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
}Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 9-Oct-92 Re:
}Pessimism by ;;;;7202@violet.berkeley 
}> black cannot produce offspring darker than the darker parent.  The myth
}> of black babies coming from such marriages probably arises from the fact
}> of marriage between phenotypically light blacks and individuals who were
}> wrong in assuming that they had no African genes.  This could happen in
}> the south where a good deal of nonmarital intercourse took place (most
}> often involuntarily on the part of blacks), particularly before the Civil
}> War.  Genes from such unions, some of them undoubtedly African in origin,
}> got into the gene pool *socially* defined as white.  It is for this reason
}
}I know of at least two instances where Whites had black children...
}something that would contradict your statement.  
}
}About 7 years ago, PBS aired a program on South Africa.  They also
}highlighted the problems there by singling out a family... two white
}parents and a BLACK daughter (dark-skinned).  The parents, horrified by
}the appearance of their offspring, sent her off for adoption by a family
}in one of the homelands.
}
}Another case involved Dinah Shore several years ago and her attempt to
}sue her mother (unsuccessfully) for not telling her that she had black
}ancestry, when she (Dinah) and her white husband had a Black baby.

There's no contradiction.  To simplify things, let's just consider skin
color which is determined by six genes, three inherited from the mother
and three from the father.  If one parent has six white genes and the
other a black and five whites, the darkest combination for the child
will be BWWWWW, the same as one of the parents.  If both parents are
BWWWWW, there's a fair chance the child will be BBWWWW, i.e. darker
than either parent, a so called throwback.  This can happen regardless
of whether either or both parents think they are white.  It works the
same way for any other multigene trait, which Negroid features are.

In the examples you sited the people who thought they did not have
African genes, actually did.
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From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing
>the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition
>against dating interracial and gave them reasons why.  I said that black women
>come in all different shapes and colors so why should I date outside of my 
>race.  I also said that I am not physically stimulated by white females.  It
>seems as if everyone agreed with my opinion except for this one guy.  He said
>that for me not to see every female as one color was typical of a bigot, and he
>called me a racist.  Being called a racist hurt me very much, but it hurt even 
>more being that this guy was my BEST FRIEND.  It shock me very much that my 
>best friend, who is black, was calling me a racist because I won't date outside
>my race.  I go to an "all-white" college in Ohio, and I am approached by white
>females everyday should I start dating outside my race or what?  Do you
>consider me a racist?  I want to know.
>

Basically if you aren't attracted to someon you shouldn't date them.
Sexual attraction is a complex issue and if you are only attracted to
women of one race then you are certainly not racist. However if you
condemn someone for cross racial dating based solely on the fact that
they are of different racist then you are racist, or at least
prejudiced.  You should only date people you are attracted to anything
else would be stupid. However, try and keep in mind that most of the
worlds population is neither black nor white, East Indians and Chinese
are the two biggest races in the world, so it doesn't all break down
so simply.

Peace, 
       Warren Watts

P.S. Personally as a when I was a 22 year old white MAN, I did not
appreciate being called a boy any more than you do as a black
MAN.
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: motorcycles
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:16:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Oct11.141630.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University


	I have to agree with your friend Clarence; I have never seen a sister

on a motorcycle.  I am very sure there are some, but they are few in numbers.

Sorry but I had to tell the truth

				CL Hill
				BGSU
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Racism - Language
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:44:01 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <3779.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) writes:

# Following the previously discussed concept of "A little racism
# towards Whites every once in a while", I'm looking for examples of
# Black Racism towards Whites in language. Derogatory remarks like
# "Whitefeather" or "Whitesock".

I'm not sure I follow your intent here.

Are you referring to negative associations with the word "black", as
in "black market", "blackball", "black magic", etc.?  These are not
examples of "white racism toward blacks", because the associations
existed long before people of African ancestry decided they wanted to
be called black.  And as far as I know, the number of such expressions
has not increased in the 25 years or so since that decision was made.

The opposite wouldn't be racist either, except in such deliberate
forms of address as "whitebread".  But there are a few derogatory
expressions using "white", like "whitewash", "white as a ghost",
"white knuckle" (terrifying), etc., plus a few more with "pale" --
and, of course, "dumb blonde jokes".

David
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Are there Any "Good white Folk"?***
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 18:21:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

... all whites are devils ...

My, my, my, I thought Malcolm X already debunked this theory just
before he got shot by people who thought otherwise.

Oh well, most Chinese thought all whites were devils too, and look where
it got them...
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Jason Leigh
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:32:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Oct12.113215.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University

I think to blame black-male and white-female relationships on Jim Crow laws and
slavery is ridiculous.  I don't think black men date white women because
they have some subconscious feeling of inferiority as a result of slavery and
Jim crow laws--thats absurd.  I said I was against dating interracially because
I am only attracted to black women.  Do I need to explain this?  I am also
against interracial dating because it is not excepted in today's society. 
Also the majority of girls of different races that date black men seem to be
whores and sluts.  They also tend to exclude themselves from dating anyone else
but black men.  I don't know about you, but I refuse to date a girl who is very
promiscuous.  These girls (on the average now!!!) also seem to try and act and
be black.  They only listen to rap and R&B music and talk just as black as you
and me.  In other words these girls are fake. To see a non-black person trying
to act black is like watching a 1920's motion picture where a white man, with
his face painted jet black, is portraying a black man.  These are just my
reasons for being against interracial dating.  I can care less on why other
people date outside their race.  It's their life, so I have no comment.  I get
the feeling that you are not honest on your position.  You don't have to put up
a front; It won't make you less of a black man to me!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Pres Debate #2
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:45:26 GMT

[ Not that I will vote for any of these people, but I watch anyway :-) ]

> Wow.  This was actually a useful debate.  Good questions for the most
> part--kinda gives you hope for humankind.

I liked most of the questions except for the pony-tail guy. I couldn't
even tell what his question was.

Bush's main problem is that he can't leave well enough alone. He makes
a good point that plays to his strengths, and then blows it by
indulging in gutter-sniping at Clinton.

Clinton does much better at Bush-bashing because he (most of the time)
bashes what Bush _does_ as opposed to Bush himself. This makes him
seem much more substantive and reasonable.

It's very scary to me that Perot makes the most sense of any of the
three. It's too bad he reminds me a lot of the leader of a 1930's
Italian party..."I'll make the planes fly on time".

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
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