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   From: btg@cl.cam.ac.uk (Brian Graham)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
   Date: 15 Sep 92 11:17:13 GMT
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   In article <1992Sep14.111848.28443@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
   migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
   |> 
   |> I just applied for (and got) a UK passport based on my father having been
   |> born there (he hasn't had a UK passport for 20 years!).
   |> 
   |> If your father is/was British, then you are British too.
   |> If your mother is/was British and you were born after 1983 (+/- 1 year --
   |> I can't recall), then you are British too.

   I enquired about this two years ago, and I seem to recall that this
   was a bit more restricted than indicated above.  Primarily this 
   applies to children (NOT grandchildren - that provision ended
   within the last five years or so) of UK born citizens who reside in
   commonwealth countries.  
   I don't believe that American residents qualify, for example.  

I'm a UK citizen, born in the UK, my wife is US.  Our child was born
here (US) last year and there was no problem in getting her a UK birth
certificate.  She is now on my passport (and has her very own US passport
as well.  The US has stopped allowing children to be on a parent's
passport). 
--
				Bernard Silver
				GTE Laboratories
				bsilver@gte.com
				(617) 466-2663
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:19:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.163815.28537@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
|> In article <6w1qqB1w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
|> >I saw an episode of DM that had a grandfather clock.  Penfold and DM went into
|> >the clock and came out in another time.  "Hey that's just like that thing
|> >that Doctor has!"  says Penfold.  "Doctor Who?" askes DM.  "Exactly", says
|> >Penfold.   <paraphrased a bit, but the general idea of the scene>  :-)
|> 
|> Actually I think Penfold said in response to DM, "I can't remember now."

Even funnier!

|> DangerMouse is also one among *MANY* cartoon shows to use/pirate sound
|> effects from Doctor Who.  The biggest one I can think of was the
|> Transformers cartoon, which just loved the TARDIS door noise to death.
|> They also pirated a story idea!  And for their Movie no less!
|> The leader of the Autobots carried with him the Matrix of Leadership
|> in which the memories of all the past Autobot leaders was contained.
|> Sound in the least bit familiar?


Yeah, yeah, this has been re-hashed to death. Everybody remember Bill & Ted's
Excellent Adventure? Also, I think the Transformers movie was primarily British
(it's so hard to tell these days...) so it's not too surprising.

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From: christos@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Unemplyment in England
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:34:39 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello there,

	I just wanted to get some percentage information. What is the
nemployment in England and what percentage of young englishment go to colledge
or University after high school?

	I would appreciate any response?

Feel free to send e-mail to the following Internet address:
christos@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Thanks,
Chris.
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Nigel Mansell
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:09:18 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland


I see from the Grand Prix on TV at the weekend, Nigel Mansell has taken
a tantrum and 'quit' again 'cos Williams won't give him excessive amounts
of money.

Good riddance to the toss-pot. Roll on Senna and Prost for Williams
next year.

Also, did anyone believe Mansell when he was interviewed by Jonathon
Palmer and said he was going to let Patrese win anyway. I didn't.

Neil

P.S. Shame Martin Brundle has been dropped by Benneton. Hopefully a good
    team like McLaren will pick him up next year and give him the chance
    he deserves.
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Unemplyment in England
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:37:39 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.103108.11798@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.084726.22336@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>From the top of my head, the unemployment rate is now about 10%.
>
>And, according to an article in the papers over the weekend (either
>Grauniad or Observer, forget which, yeah, I know they're bloody
>disloyal rags, tough) it is rising faster in the UK than in any other
>G7 or EC country.
>

And according to the BBC World Service (god bless it), unemployment in the UK
has just risen for the 27th consecutive month ... pretty amazing really.

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.111713.19489@cl.cam.ac.uk> btg@uk.ac.cam.cl writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.111848.28443@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
>migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>|> I just applied for (and got) a UK passport based on my father having been
>|> born there (he hasn't had a UK passport for 20 years!).
>|> 
>|> If your father is/was British, then you are British too.
>|> If your mother is/was British and you were born after 1983 (+/- 1 year --
>|> I can't recall), then you are British too.
>
>I enquired about this two years ago, and I seem to recall that this
>was a bit more restricted than indicated above.  Primarily this 
>applies to children (NOT grandchildren - that provision ended
>within the last five years or so) of UK born citizens who reside in
>commonwealth countries.  I don't believe that American residents
>qualify, for example.  The parent must have been born in the UK,
>and not obtained citizenship by means of the above provision for example.

The form made no mention that I had to reside in a Commonwealth country.
It may have been a form peculiar to Canada, 'tho.  

-- 
Mike Godfrey	          "I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty.
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT     I will not expose the ignorance of the faculty."
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   -- The Simpsons

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british?
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:56:32 GMT

In article <BuIsrI.6GE@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|>   I believe you can't lose British citizenship just by taking up
|>   xitizenship of another country.  If this is true it means any 
|>   Briton who has taken up US etc citizenship can get a new UK 
|>   passport whenever they want.
|> 
|> here's the question
|>   Are the foreign born children of British citizens resident abroad
|>   entitled to British citizenship?
|> 
|> Or are they doomed forever to be without UK citizenship :-)

If you are a brit with rights of residency in the UK, then your child
inherits that right also.  To permit your child to exercise that right
the birth must be registered with the British consulate.  Call them up,
they can send you the appropriate forms.  If you carry a British
passport it's a good idea to get the child listed on your passport
too.
-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: Re: Rain Relief Fund
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:50:11 GMT

>
>>P.S. Bog off out of soc.culture.british puhlease.
>
>Whilst I have no intention of starting a flame war, and whilst your
>point that this charity might not be "reputable" may be valid, I feel
>that to accuse this article of being mis-posted is a bit off. There is
>a sizeable Pakistani contingent in the UK, many of whom are still
>concerned about their homeland (albeit perhaps a homeland many
>generations removed).  

Exactly.

>
>After all, this isn't soc.culture.british.WASP.
>

Well done Colin!
here here!

-Sanjiv Gossain
sgossain@projtech.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer)
Subject: Re: What is a 2.1 equivalent to ?
Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA
	<4069@keele.keele.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:09:28 GMT

In article <4069@keele.keele.ac.uk> csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir) writes:

   > Well you can get a 'pass' degree which is lower than any of these and
   > means you don't have honours which all the above have. Mind you if you
   > plumbed these depths you'd probably not want to mention the degree at
   > all.

   Maybe, but I'd rather mention that I got a pass degree from a decent
   university like Hertfordshire than a 1st or 2:1 from a "campus with no
   hope" like Keele...

When I was applying for admission for an undergraduate degree, Keele
stood out as having an innovative programme.  I didn't apply, but
always wondered whether I missed out on a great opportunity.  As I
recall it, the entire programme for the first year was common to all
first years, and involved taking course fragments in every department
of the University.  This still sounds pretty fine to me; counteracting
the much vaunted/maligned specialization that makes a British degree
so valued/useless depending on your point of view.  So I am interested
by this comment about Keele.  What is the current assessment of "the
great" experiment from a perspective of n years on (for some small but
increasing n that I am not going to reveal).

-- Dave
From: mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Revolution in t'UK?
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:11:49 GMT
Reply-To: mlemmerm@oracle.nl
Organization: Oracle Europe

___THEN I open the Grauniad, to find that Steve Bell & If... is still 
___missing.  Is he dead, on ANOTHER holiday, working for the Sun or
___taking a sabatical a la  G. Trudeau??   Please advise soonest.

__Yes its worrying isn't it. He's done a couple of large panels for the main
__Grauniad section but no "If.." for a bit (though the cuddly bunnies made up
__for the gap).

_There were a couple of "IF..." strips on "New-Age Travellers" during
_August, but nothing else. And those strips bore a large similarity to
_some "hippie" cartoons he'd done back in '86. Hopefully he'll be back
_soon, steaming into the American Presidential election campaign in his
_own inimitable style: "Vote for Bush on account of he's cute and got a
_one syllable name...".

That's funny - there's a series of IF cartoons in the European edition
of the Guardian at the moment. Yesterday's concerned the arrival of
David Owen on the Yugoslavian political scene, so it's not a re-run of
an old series. I wonder why you're not getting it in the UK?
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: buying peerage
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:53:22 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Sep10.222716.19148@dscomsf.desy.de>
Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>You don't see anything wrong in a system where socialist governments have to
>play by one set of rules and the Tories can make up their own?

	The *rules* are the same.  Your argument was that the Tories *chose*
to operate in a mode where the HoL *could* veto, and that this was somehow
scandalous.

>Again the Lords can create problems for a Labour government and create
>constitutional crises, you still can't see what is wrong in having an inbuilt
>slant to the whole system?

	There is a difference between "can" and "do".  The Queen too "can"
cause a constitutional crisis, by using her veto;  how unfair can you get?
But she doesn't;  and it is extremely unlikely that she would ever do so
except in circumstances where the crisis already exists [as in Australia].
If she ever did zap the "Dog Walking on Hampstead Heath" or some similarly
inconsequential measure, the roof would fall in.  Similarly for the HoL.
Their real job, and their continued existence, is too important to them
for it to be risked except in extremis.

>You forget the difficulties of the Labour government running on a majority of
>four. In this situation the HoL could have proved a major problem.

	But didn't.  So?

>So what? Might actualy see some open government for a change. In such a
>situation there is deadlock until the parties accept that they must shift from
>their party lines and agree on some middle course.

	Like having the H-bomb on alternate days?  Allowing private medicine
only on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays?  For some policies, there are
sensible middle courses, for others you really do have to steer one side
or the other.

>			       Unelected people can turn out to be bigots just
>as easily as farsighted "impartial" participants.

	Of course.  We're all bigots.  Well, except me.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
From: avyfdvg@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (David Gatenby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Archers are more popular than TV soaps
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:59:37 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <BuIt4u.6Kq@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>
>   On the news it mentioned several hundred people had attended an
>Archers fans convention.  The paid 35 pounds and got to meet the cast,
>etc.   It was mentioned that the show has 8 million listeners.
>
>  If this is true it means it has a bigger audience than many TV soaps,
>and a greater audience than any BBC 2 or Channel 4 programme!
>
>  It sounds a bit on the large size for a radio programme, so if anyone
>else heard the figure they could send in to the net to confirm or deny it.
>
Yes, I heard Radio 4 midnight news last night, and I heard that figure of 8
million listeners.  There again, it doesn't take much to exceed C4 viewing
figures, with programmes like, "Sheep Crofting for Gay Rastafarians," etc. 8^))

My old tutor at Sixth Form College (no, American buddies, I am _not_ going to
explain what one of those is! P-)) claims that you can fit the words of _any_
song into the theme tune from the Archers.  I tried with "God Save the Queen"
(looks like he's the only person who can!), and, yes, this theory does seem to
hold water. Gotta go now: I'm about to check through alt.tasteless.

*David Gatenby, Dept of Slavonic Studies  *                           *
*University of Nottingham, University Park* "Rasslab'sya, otechestvo" *
*NOTTINGHAM, England NG7  2RD             *   (pun, not misspelling)  *
*                         avyfdvg@unicorn.nott.ac.uk                  *
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: the privatisation of poverty
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:36:38 GMT
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:

>I have been reading 1820/30s copies of The Times (London) on Microfilm.
>Here is an item (originally reported in the Kentish Chronicle) which
>sounds bang up-to-date

>TIMES 1 January 1830

>"On Monday the poor in the poor-house of the parish of Minster, Sheppey,
>were hired out by tender, to be fed and clothed at 3s 9d per week, for
>three years, including also bedding for their lodging. The poor are to
>have three meat dinners a week. There were 11 tenders, but none exceeded
>4s."

>Mrs T. would have been quite at home

 HOW DARE YOU!!   WHAT DO YOU MEAN AT HOME!!  

  She supported getting the state out of industry, freeing firms from
  state restrictions, getting rid of union power, encouraging health
  pensions, education to move into the private sector.

  By contrast in the 1830's
   the state was out of industry, 
   firms faced few state restrictions , unions had virtually no power.
   the state provided hardly anything in the way of pensions, education
   and health care.

Oh! I see what you mean
>Richard Pennell, History Dept, NUS
From: astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Car companies
Date: 13 Sep 92 07:13:41 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

Hello, British friends

I just want to bother asking one single question.
What are the English car companies that are held by the goverment in England.
(total and partial)

Thanks a lot folks,
If you don't mind, could you send me the answer via mail,
thanks.

Monsieur le K.
astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: buying peerage
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:31:13 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Sep4.073034.29837@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         ) writes:
> In casual conversations with friends, I have been told that it is
> possible in the UK to 'buy' a title of some sort or other by donating
> enough money to charities, or similar actions (endowing schools, things
> like that I guess).
> 
> Is there any truth to this or have they just picked it up from tv?
> 
What you do is wait for a Conservative government---so you shouldn't have to
wait long---and ensure that the business you are managing director of denotes
enough money to the Conservative party to solve its latest financial crisis.
You will then receive a knighthood for services to industry, or if you are very
lucky a peerage.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
From: agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Tanstaafl (was:Americanising of the UK
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 08:11:25 GMT

In article <rhaller-080992141841@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
|> In article <kc3y#1r@rpi.edu>, danaf@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana
|> Jr.) wrote:
|> > 
|> > In article <H12oqB1w165w@cybrspc.UUCP>, roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
|> > the feeling of this being a moon colony, sometime in the future. However, I do
|> > not remember Heinlein actually DEFINING "tanstaafl", so it may be that he
|> > assumed his readers would already know what it meant from some other source
|> > (like Niven?).

He defines it in 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress'.

|> I have a vague memory that that he used 'tanstaafl' as the title for one of
|> his short stories published in Astounding (later Analog).

'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' was serialised in Astounding before appearing 
in novel form. 

|> I suspect he did get the phrase from the economists mentioned in another
|> post, but I believe he originated the acronym.

In the early 80s (Ronald Reagan, Maggie Thatcher, Anal Retentiveness, 
Radioactive Megadeath etc) Milton Freidman, a pseudoeconomist who didn't
beleive that economics has feedback loops in it, it's just 'individuals and
their choice', pretended he invented TANSTAAFL. He nicked it.

|> Speaking of economists and pithy phrases, my favorite is "In the long run,
|> we are all dead". Anyone know in which of Keynes works (and where) this
|> appears?

Kurt Vonnegut claims he lists his principal occupation as 'Being Dead'. Is
that it?

|> -Rich

Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Just my opinion, but I read News so you'd better not take any notice.
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From: turner@webb.psych.ufl.edu (Carl Turner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: buying peerage
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:09:20 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida, Psychology Dept.

>=>   In casual conversations with friends, I have been told that it is
>=>   possible in the UK to 'buy' a title of some sort or other by donating
>=>   enough money to charities, or similar actions (endowing schools, things
>=>   like that I guess).

>=>   Is there any truth to this or have they just picked it up from tv?

Interesting. In the U.S. it's possible to buy ambassadorships from the
Bush Administration.  I think the going rate for an a'ship to a Western
European country is about $100,000.  The money goes towards George's
re-election campaign.

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From: ams@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: O-levels, A-levels etc
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:45:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Sep11.150416.13798@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, gibbons@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Alan Gibbons) writes:
>
>  [article deleted - this is no place for keeping discussion to the point]
> 
>  - Alan (not one to boast, but since you ask 11 Os, 4 AOs, 5 As and 2 Ss
> 	and passed all Oxford entrance exams - turned them down and went to a
> 	real University - Nottingham !)

This particular (untitled and impecunious) Oxford graduate came here after being
turned down by Nottingham. The letter we sent in reply to their rejection slip 
was a joy to read. (Particularly as those were the days that Oxford gave
entrance awards; they weren't worth much money, but they sounded good.)


Michael.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british