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From: v561whw2@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Riding Down Stairs
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr14.030810.11950
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1350@hydra.bucknell.edu>, mhaggrty@bucknell.edu (michael haggerty `93) writes...
> 
>Howdy!
> 
> 
>I was wondering what effect riding down stairs on a Mountain Bike can have on the bike.  I ride around on my campus a lot, and in many situations it is just easier to go down a few stairs than to go around a building.  Am I screwing my bike up gradually?
> 
> 
>Mike (mhaggrty@bucknell.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: pedaling efficency
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:56:11 GMT

In article <18008@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
>    This is really off the subject...
>
 [ some neat stuff about turbines only operating at a reasonable efficiency
   at full power. Actually the same is true for cars but not nearly as much ]

>    Sort of back to the subject:
>    Second bit of anecdotal evidence: My average speed in small rolling
>N.H. hills was often over 30 mph. (I have a good tuck...)  On level
>ground I could barely manage 25 mph.  For me intermittent power bursts
>are more efficient then steady efforts.
 - If you do a bit of analysis with the bike power program and some physics
you will find that 100m of climbing will cost you 1 min (5% grade up and
down).
I have the same observation but I doubt the 5 mph increase.  I noticed this
when I would do faster laps of a hilly course by myself compared to going 
out with the local tri's.  When I went out with them I was shot after trying
to hang on up each hill (yea this is when I was racing my MTB).  Now that I
have a _real_ road bike I still find the same thing.  The local racing team
will kill me on each hill and I find it much easier to fall off the back and
TT a few hundred meters behind them.  When I ran it was the same.  I had
endurance but a sprint would destroy me for the next hour so I would fall
off the pack as they sprinted out and then catch them one by one.
  I had some fun on sunday with the local racing team.  It was a warm sunny
day (just above freezing with 25 mph winds) and after three laps I droped
the pack and stayed away for 4 laps until the senior 1,2's caught me.  AT
that point my strategy is to lead out the sprint about 500m away while
pushing hard on the hills before.  I know I don't have a sprint and I can
usually shed quite a few before the line.  Well it was a blast but after a
few sprints I was cooked.  My only conclusion is that these guys are really
out of shape because I don't consider myself good enough to race and I know
that I am only good for a 1-07 over 40km.  Well the first race is this friday
and its going to be a blast.  Brent (@maxwell here) who is probably Cat 2
material is going to have a ball in the Cat 4 race.  Ah the feel of power
and control (until you get in with some people who can make you hurt).  The
best of luck to whoever is racing this weekend.
  - Eric 
//  The best way to win a sprint is to make sure it happens well behind you. 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:29:06 GMT

The anonymous sl3vx@cc.usu.edu writes:
>I'm a cat. 4 and love to go racing on the weekends at the local races here in 
>Utah.  Under the new rule that Cat. 5 can ride with Cat. 4 a lot of problems 
>have come up.

First, the new rule does _not_ say that Cat. 5 rider always may ride
with Cat. 4s.  It says only that these classes may be combined at the
option of the race organizer.  Given that there are only about 400
licensed riders in the whole State of Utah, I would guess that
not enough Senior Cat. 4s and 5s are likely to show up at most
races to warrant having separate races.

Second, the novice riders who are now called Cat. 5 were called Cat. 4
until this year.  Has some magical transformation suddenly happened
that now makes them "untouchable" to last year's Cat. 4s?

>	Second, this combined Cats. has brought the idea that cash prizes are
>not allowed!  The rule reads that Cat 5s cannot get money, but it does not
>read for Cat. 4s the same way.  If a race is combined then the first cat 4 to 
>cross the line gets the money and would follow with the remaining Cat 4s.  This
>is to say--if 20 Cat 5s cross the line before any Cat 4s then the 21st. rider 
>being a 4 should be given first place for his division, and vice versa with
>the cat 5s.

Someone in your district is seriously confused -- there is no rule
saying that Cat 5s cannot get money -- just that Cat. 5 RACES may not
offer prizes of value (Rule 1E5a).  Cat. 5 riders in Cat. 4-5 races
are eligible to win whatever prizes are offered.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: scott@mks.com (Scott Nicol)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:19:58 GMT
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems, Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1992Apr14.154216.29344@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe) writes:
>     Clipless pedals were designed along the same lines as ski
>bindings.  They will only come out when they need to.

   This isn't correct.

>They only release when the specified
>torques and forces act on the binding.  Clipless pedals are the
>same.  They will only release if there is enough force exerted on
>the spring.

   This is.

   The difference is that in the first quote, you are saying the binding
releases when you need it to release.  In the second quote, you are saying
they release when enough force is acted upon them in a direction that would
cause them to release.

   Bindings are not connected to your brain, so they have no idea what
you want them to do; they could release when you don't want them to
release, and they might not release when you want them to release.

   You cannot say that clipless pedals will always release in an accident.
You cannot say that clipless pedals will never release in a sprint.
The same is true for traditional toe clips + straps.

   Contrary to what some here will say, it is possible to pull your feet
out of clips + straps.

-- 
Scott Nicol, Mortice Kern Systems Inc.,		Internet: scott@mks.com
35 King Street North				UUCP: uunet!watserv1!mks!scott
Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA, N2J 2W9		Phone: (519) 884-2251
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: bicycle for sale
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:24:23 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

I have a Cannondale SR600 (I think that's the model name) for sale.  Here are
the details:
	--3.0 frame bought in 1989
	--5000 miles on it--very good condition
	--Shimano 105 gruppo, again in good shape
	--Set of Mavic Open 4CD racing rims are included (in addition to the 
		stock rims)
	--Three separate freewheels are included
	--Look pedals
	--About 3 sets of good tires included
	--Avocet 50 computer included
I've found that it's a good bike, but I just have no time to ride, as the low
mileage on the bike indicates.  If anyone else is interested, I will also sell
my indoor trainer.  If you are interested or have questions, then email me, or
call at (913) 842-0237.  I'll go with the highest bidder.  Asking price is
around $700 with the racing wheels, $500 without (they're brand new and hardly
ridden--like 50 miles worth).  I am open to negotiation on the prices.  Thanks.

-- 


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:	University Of Kansas		:	More alternatives.	      :
:	JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU	:	Energy derives from both      :
:					:	The plus and negative.        :
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From: chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alex Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 27 inch vs. 700C availability
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:44:22 +1200
Organization: Chem Dept, UoC NZ

>   A couple questions for the net readers outside the United States:

>   What is the current availability of non-metric sized wheels,
>   tires, and tubes in your country? I'm thinking specifically
>   of the 27 inch wheel/tire/tube combos that come/came with many
>   road bikes sold in the USA. Is this/Was this combination ever
>   sold anywhere else, or has 700C always been the standard outside
>   the US?

>   If I ever tour outside the US, I'm wondering if it would be
>   difficult to replace a damaged 27 inch wheel.

>        Darrin Sharp (sharp@fc.hp.com)

> I had a blowout of the rear tire which seperated the
> sidewall from the bead, .........
> Some places did have 27-inch tires, but they were heavy
> and poor quality, made for "department store" bicycles.

> I would recommend going with 700C.

>        Tim Olson

Quality 27 inch tyres are readily available in New Zealand
and Australia and there shouldn't be any problem in the UK.
I usually use cheap Taiwanese 27 x 1-1/4 tyres as they are
cheap and reliable and half the price of the most expensive.
Will I get twice the life out of the most expensive -
unlikely. The Mitchelin World Tourer on the back at present
seems to have worn suprisingly fast.

If you had trouble getting quality 27" in backcountry towns,
did you check whether they had ANY 700C's?

I lent a bike to Roger, a visiting Brit who was going to
ride the Great New Zealand Bike Ride, and told him to put
new tyres on the bike which he did; Cheng Shen's which he
had no problems with. He was also one of the few to climb
Arthurs Pass easily due to it being correctly setup as a
touring bike. The frame is an old (1950's) Raleigh Sports -
perfect for touring on once I'd reconditioned it a few years
ago for my daughter to tour on.

BTW - what make of rim do you have on the back that caused
the bead to separate from the tyre - Mavic?
 
-- 

Alex Ferguson - chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
bicycles ridden, mountains climbed, kayaks paddled, electronics fixed
Chemistry Department, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
From: eisele@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Eisele)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:26:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


I'm a cat V in Colorado (this is my first year to race).  I've done two
races so far where the V's raced separate from the IV's and citizens.
Many upcoming races are mixing V's and citizens.  My point is that not
all races mix V's and IV's, which benefits everyone.

Keep in mind the reason cat V was created in the first place - to
promote growth.  Do you want to promote the sport or watch it dwindle?
I think more people are likely to start racing and stick with it if they
can race in smaller packs where they can be competitive.

The latest issue of Bicycling has a good article on cat V.

Jon

From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:47:54 GMT
Subject: Re: If you could have only one bike...
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


[ if you could have only one bike ... ]

To further muddy the waters, you can tweak a mountain bike to be
more like a road bike, and vice verca.

That is, you can put high pressure skinny tires and drop bars on
a mountain bike to make it better for road use.  Or you can put
wider tires with thick tread on a road bike.

Personally, I have 2 road bikes and 1 mountain bike.  I keep the
mountain bike set up for bad weather, with fenders, studded tires
for snow and ice, and other such things.  I never take it off
road, which is apparently sacrilegious to many people.  I do
like using the road bikes much better, since I can go significantly
faster with the same effort.  (I think its mostly the air
drag from the upright riding position on the mountain bike that slows
you down, and the knobbies have a smaller (but real) effect).

  - steve
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: STI caused crash
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:30:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.16190236
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, dockd@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) writes:

> In the criterium we held on Sunday, one of my school's riders had Ultegra STI
> shifters.  He hit a curb trying to avoid a crash, and potato-chipped his rear
> wheel.  He got a free lap and replaced the wheel with a 7 SPEED one.  It 
> worked fine, but he went to sprint for a prime, the chain skipped, he did 
> and endo, and crashed.
> 

I don't think you can really say that STI caused this crash.  He crashed
because of using incompatible equipment.  Yes, if he didn't have STI
he could have gone to friction mode, which might have prevented the
chain from skipping.  However, it's obvious that what he should have done 
was to use an 8-speed replacement wheel.  Was the chain skip caused because 
he shifted during the sprint?  If so, he was just asking for trouble.

> Moral: you can run a seven speed cluster with eight speed STI, but you're 
> doing it at your own risk.  Is it really worth it?

You can use a 7spd hyperglide hub with STI if you use an 8spd cassette with 
one cog removed.  I've been doing this for a month now, with sprint workouts
and races, and it works just fine.

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chesnutt@adobe.com (Stan Chesnutt)
Subject: Re: A Nice Word for Huffy
Organization: Tuesday Weld Fan Club
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:25:27 GMT

In article <22510@alice.att.com> rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:
>
>
>>Let me get this straight:  You rode a Huffy for over 10,000 miles?
>
>Well, not all at once.  It took a year.
>Not a single ding in the rims, either.  Spokes all tight.
>

Ten Thousand Miles!  on a Huffy!? In *one*year* ?!??  Say, two hundred
miles per week!!!??!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I nominate this fellow as the one true
REAL(tm) CYCLIST!

I am amazed.  I hang my aero-helmeted head in shame and envy.
I should sell my Trek 1100.  A Huffy will surely give me the energy,
endurance, and stamina to do centuries on Saturday and Wednesday,
with light riding on the other days.

-- 
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Stan Chesnutt,  Adobe Systems  chesnutt@adobe.com {sun|decwrl}!adobe!chesnutt
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: rec.driving
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 19:18:09 GMT

In article <19946@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

[responding to an assertion about accident statistics]

>The highway accident statistics of (say) death/mile are confused by the
>very different types of people and journeys.
>
>Motorcylists are largely young and male, much less experienced, and tend
>to ride shorter distances and more urban miles compared to car drivers,
>who are (on average) much older, much more experienced, and better
>balanced between the sexes.  As it happens being young, male, doing
>shorter journeys, and urban miles, are all factors that increase the
>likelihood of accident for ANY vehicle. These must all be factored out
>before you can assess the relative dangerousness of a motorcycle
>compared.

Point of order...  The more recent statistics in the U.S. are beginning
to indicate that young, _female_ drivers are now being overrepresented
in accident statistics.  I don't think any conclusive reasons have
been invented yet, but one opinion (may have come from the study group
or the newsreader, I don't know which) was that young female drivers
have become much more aggressive than they were in the past.

These are still early results, but the insurance industry is beginning
to take notice, so the conclusions must be correct!  (1/2 :')
(Of course, they won't propose reducing rates for young males; they'll
propose increasing them for young females...)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 13:06:14 EDT
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: canondale touring bike 4 sale.

I am posting the following for a friend without netnews access.
Respond to me or to his CompuServe account.
======================================================================== 25
From: Charlie Fingerhut <71061.1244@CompuServe.COM>

Eric here are the stats on the cannondale:

1.  frame=19 in.
2.  Wheels are 700C-Mavic MA40 rims with Campy Record C hubs (I think...)
3.  Drive train is the old six speed Deore XT
4.  Bar con shifters
5.  profile speed bars with front brake on the profile bars
6.  Model is St 1000 about 6-7 years old
7.  asking about $500.00 but will take more...

This is a "real" touring bike, with rear rack and front low riders,
fenders, other goodies. Black (or dark grey) paint. In very good
condition.

For more info, write to Charlie at the above compuserve account,
or call him at 212-988-0757 (before 10:00 PM Eastern).

 71061.12 compuser  4/13/92
-Charlie
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From: v561whw2@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Adult' one-speeds?
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.103157.39299@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes...
>Woman friend is seeking a bicycle for mild exercise/short recreational/
>social riding.  We've had *15 or 20* hours of discussion on this issue
>and she *insists* that she wants a one-speed, coaster-brake bike, women's
>frame if possible.  Frame and brake-type are negotiable, but absence
>of gear-shifting is *not*, she says.
> 
>This is going to make joint riding a real pain, and it would make
>more sense to spend bicycle money on a psychiatric consultation.
>And I'll keep trying to promote at least a 3-speed (assuming such
>are still available).  But:
> 
>Is there such a thing as an adult one-speed (other than a fixed-gear)?

	Sure, both Schwinn and Raleigh offer a single speed cruiser, and 
Fuji also sells a single speed.  The Schwinn is a paper boy style bike,
the Raleigh comes with fenders, and the Fuji is like a stripped down 
mountain bike (sorta).


>Are there after-market coaster-brake hubs that could be fitted to a
>lightweight frame?  (Or three/five-speed hubs?)
> 
>Anybody still sell one-speed freewheels?
	
	Sure, Shitmano does.  I have a single speed cro-mo cruiser.  It 
uses handbrakes and a freewheel, the bike is a blast to ride.

				Cars generally suck,
						  Kevin
					

>I know the real answer is a tandem, but I would be killed if I
>spent $3K on a bicycle, even if I had the money, which I don't.
> 
>Oh, friend is a short 5'2", which sort of limits garage-sale options
>to kids' bikes, which is too awful to contemplate.  ('Here's your
>high-riser, honey....')
> 
>Any advice appreciated.
> 
>Christopher Gunn	Molecular Graphics and Modeling Lab
>SPAN--KUPHSX::GUNN	Department of Medicinal Chemistry, Malott Hall
>913-864-4428 or -4495	University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS  66045
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:35:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.150914.26149@news.larc.nasa.gov> Ken_Goodrich@gcdmacs.larc.nasa.gov (Ken_Goodrich) writes:
>Not to beat a dead horse if this a frequently discussed issued, but why did
>mountain bikers go back to 26" wheels if roadies have found 27/700 wheels to be
>the best compromise between fit and performance.  I can see that MB frames are
 Beats me.  I don't even know if the 26" size was common before the advent of
MTB's.  Most likely it was used and then became a defacto standard.  A few 
MTB's (Moulton ... ie foldables or strange geometry suspension types) use 16"
and 20" wheels.  These bikes do have problems because of the smaller wheel
size getting "stuck" before sharp rises but the suspensions probably help.

>motorcycle.  Could a racer gain a (small) edge by using 700c wheels, assuming
>appropriate tires and frame were available.
  I doubt it.  MTB wheels have a fair bit of rolling resistance and once you
hit any soft material the losses are phenomonial (try 2" of snow some time,
its like going up a 3% grade).  The 700c ones would be slightly weaker due
to longer spokes and the wheel would be a lot taller so it would not fit 
"standard" frames.  As it is right now a 700c is about the same height as a
26" with a 2" tire so the wheels would be interchangable on a MTB (braking
would be a problem and this is why I broke my colar bone a few years ago).
 - Eric
From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BIKENET's gone...
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:37:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

In article <1992Apr10.155610.5100@javelin.sim.es.com>, bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
> >The "rec.bicycles" Usenet newsgroup was established in 1982 by Dave Menges
> >then at the University of Indiana.  By my calculations that makes this
> >newsgroup 10 years old!  Looks like we have that piddly little bulletin
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >board beat bad and we are still going strong!!!!

> You're being unnecessarily derogatory about a BBS you probably never
> accessed.  "wreck.bike" vs. Bikenet never was a competition, so such
> denigrating comparisons are unwarranted.  Not everyone has access to
> Internet/Usenet, only a lucky few of us, whereas anyone with a modem
> can dial up a BBS.
> 
> I would have enjoyed your post had it contained a smiley implying
> ironic humor; without one, it's narrowminded & cruel.  Does that
> describe you're intent?

Boy, I just can't seem to please anybody these days!!  Those of you who
have ben reading my postings carefully know that I do not use
"smileys".  My sometimes attempts at sarcasm should be deduced from
the content of the posting.  I object to using "smileys" because
it is like a "laugh track" or an "applause" sign.  People should
read postings more closely and also know the style of the poster.

What amazes me is that people on this net never seem to give anybody
the benefit of the doubt.  When Mr. Geer needed a copy of his wheel
building book, I took some time to provide him with a few possible
sources for said item.  Next thing I know, he is flaming me on the net
without first sending me personal e-mail to see if his concerns over my
posting is real.  Yeah, like I will think twice before helping him again.
Oh, well we computer types have a reputation as being social misfits, I
guess this is one more example.

I never intended to put down the BIKENET.

> So, lighten up, dude!  Widen your world a little!

Exsqueeze me!  But, the same could be said for your posting.

> <> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
> <>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
> <> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
> <>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>

Bruce