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From: raw@druco.ATT.COM (WindhausenRA)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: REQUEST:  Pacific Northwest (Portland, Seattle, Vancouver)
Keywords: May, Amtrak, Twin Peaks
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:36:03 GMT
Distribution: rec


     In May, we're taking the train from Denver to Portland, then
hopping off, sightseeing in the Northwest (including a trip to
Vancouver), then returning from Seattle.  I know this request pops up
pretty frequently --- can someone out there send me a summary from prior
discussions?  (Personal to dalton@geop.ubc.ca:  can you forward your
Vancouver information?)  To keep the net traffic down, please don't post
to the net unless you can't get email to me.

     Thanks very much.


			Rick Windhausen
			raw@druco.att.com
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From: dalton@gafs.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Things to do in Vancouver
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:51:42 GMT
	<DALTON.92Mar29020129@epoch.Geop.UBC.CA>
	<DALTON.92Apr4033732@gafs.Geop.UBC.CA> <neilg.702456921@sfu.ca>
Organization: Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC, Vancouver, Canada

I've never taken the `trail' up Grouse; the person who recommended
it is a high level telemark/backcountry skiing and rock-climbing 
type, so a poor trail wouldn't have inconvenienced him much.
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 09:08:22 -0400 
From: "Charleen A. Picone" <cp15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: summer rental...nearby?

Does anyone know of a rental cabin somewhere within 1-2 hour drive of
Pittsburgh.  Preferably on or near water. e.g. Clarion river? Loyalhanna
river?  Someplace suitable for a lot of family members spending
weekends...? Ligonier would be nice also!
From: iadt3mk@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kustermann)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: FRANCE -  Southeast info wanted.
Summary: Grand Canyon de Verdon
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:17:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <331@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, sevigny@macrow.enet.dec.com (Marc Sevigny) writes:
> 
> I am planning on travelling through Southeastern France in September.
> 
> Anyone having advice on travelling in Hte.-Provence, Htes-Alpes, Htes-Savoie,
> would be appreciated.
> 
> I am looking to experience rural France and am particularly interested in the
> mountains villages.  I prefer to avoid places that cater to tourists and would
> rather see the "real" villages than the artificial.  
> 
  Many years ago when I travelled in that area I ran across the Grand Canyon
  de Verdon, a beautifully wild canyon (at that time) totally undiscovered by
  tourism.  It is of course not as spectacular as the Grand Canyon (in
  Arizona) but it was a wild and untamed area, a canyon with smaller side
  canyons carved out by the Verdon river and its tributaries on their way to
  the Rho^ne.  The canyon is located about 100 km north of the Co^te d'Azur
  past the town of Grasse - check the map and follow the Verdon and you'll
  find it.  No guarantees that other tourists have not discovered it but I
  doubt it.

> 
> sevigny@microw.enet.dec.com
> 
> Thanks.







-- 
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From: theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Theriault)
Subject: Penticton and Okanagan Valley tips
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division, Vancouver, CANADA
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:19:49 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
X-Phone: +1 604 241 6421

Someone asked about Penticton, B.C. - sorry, e-mail bounces...

Good choice! Penticton is great in August.

You'll want to visit the entire Okanagan Valley.

If you fly into Vancouver you can rent a car there, I'm not sure of the
weekly rates, it seems to vary. They all prefer credit cards and otherwise
you may need to give them a fair bit of cash - more than most people
carry - as a "deposit".

To drive from Vancouver to Penticton takes about 4 hours to 5 hours,
if you are in a hurry. Take a day, and take highway 3, and you can 
visit Manning Park. Don't miss the fruit stands in Keremeos.
There are lots of places along the road to stop, and spectacular views.

>From Penticton, you can travel south and visit Osoyoos and then
go into the U.S. (nothing to see at that point, at least for several
miles...). There is a pocket desert in Osoyoos you can visit.

North from Penticton, there's Kelowna. Lots of small parks and 
interesting towns along the road. Boating on Okanagan Lake.

I recommend you write to Tourism BC, Parliament Buildings, Victoria,
B.C., Canada and ask for all the info they can give you. Mention
you'll be visiting Penticton, Vancouver, and want to see lots in
between. Ask about accomodations too. They have lots of good stuff.
You can buy more books in Vancouver or Penticton at a bookstore.
I'd recommend the magazine-sized "Southwestern BC" book for locations
of lots of hidden places, including Canada's Radio-Astronomy Observatory,
a fruit leather factory, the pocket desert, an old gold-mining town,
a ghost town, special camping spots and great views! 

Plan on hiking, swimming, camping, and eating lots of peaches and
apricots (and possibly grapes and tomatos and peppers and plums
and pears and everything else)

It's a great place to visit, if you can't live there ;-(
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From: llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: london musical
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.175744.833@ecst.csuchico.edu> arussell@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>We'll be in London two days (June 7-8) and would like to take in a musical.
>I rec'd the "London Theature Guide" which lists a variety of choices, 
>including: Me and My Girl; The Cotton Club; Starlight Express; Return to
>the Forbidden Planet; Miss Saigon; The Phantom of the Opera; Joseph and
>the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat; Five Guys Named Moe; Carmen Jones;
>Blood Brothers; Moby Dick; Aspects of Love; Sikulu; Good Rockin' Tonite; 
>Buddy; A Tribute to the Blues Brothers.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Anne Russell -- arussell@oavax.csuchico.edu
>California State University, Chico


my only suggestion is that it would be wise to try to get reservations
b/f getting there if you want to go to the popular ones (phantom, saigon,
starlight,...). last time i's in london i had to wait a whole week
for a pair of seats for ... cats! needless to say, i didn't have a week :-(
also, one summer tuesday or wed aft i just showed up in front of a
theatre 1 hr b/f start. there're about 20 of us. none got in.
i know some people have been lucky enough to get tickets on short notice.
what's the secret???
btw, tickets are around $100/pair on average.

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From: percus@husc9.harvard.edu (Allon Percus)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Welcome to rec.travel.air!
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:00:47 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

The new newsgroup rec.travel.air has now been created.  The charter
of the group is as follows:

  This newsgroup is to provide a forum for the exchange of
  information about air travel throughout the world.  Messages
  about airline companies, ticket prices and routes, among
  other topics, are welcome.  Commercial advertising is not
  permitted, but notices of a few tickets or coupons for sale
  on a non-profit basis (to the extent permitted by applicable
  laws) may be posted.


Please move all discussion about air travel from rec.travel to
rec.travel.air.  Reminders to this effect will be posted periodically.

Welcome to rec.travel.air!


Allon Percus
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From: todd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar)
Subject: Re: HELP! BOISY SIGHTSEEING
Summary: (not a flame...)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:49:35 GMT

In article <3070106@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> dianeho@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Diane Ho) writes:
>                 BOISY SIGHTSEEING
>
> I'll be in Boisy, Idaho from 5/27-5/30.  Since I've never been there,
>I'd appreciate it very much if you can give me info regarding places
>to eat and must-see palces.  I'm interested in outdoor activities,

Try Boise...  :)

tkp
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From: youngs@osiris (D.Youngs)
Subject: Name of Restaurant in Cancun
Summary: Name of Restaurant in Cancun
Keywords: Restaurant
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:07:31 GMT

There is a restaurant in Cancun whose name is Spanish for "stringbean".
I forget the actual name of this restaurant, but remember the translation.
Anyone jog my memory ?

thanks in advance

youngs@zorro.cecer.army.mil

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From: brenner@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Brenner)
Subject: Re: Bodega Bay - opinions wanted.
Organization: GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:51:42 GMT

In <1992Apr5.042838.19476@ohsu.edu> lawder@ohsu3b2.ohsu.EDU (Kathryn Lawder) writes:


>I really like Bodega Bay, and agree with Chris that it is not comparable
>to Monterey.  It is the town, in case there's still someone who doesn't
>know this, where Hitchcock filmed "The Birds".
> 

Just in case someone is following this for precise location
information, there is a difference betweeen "Bodega" and "Bodega Bay".
Bodega is where the Hitchcock filmed "The Birds" (at least
partly---you can see the church, in particular).  Bodega Bay is on the
coast and is the town that can't really be compared to Monterey.

In addition to Kathryn's excellent list of places to see, the area is
Sonoma wine country and there are several wineries offering tours.
I've been to the Korbel winery and found it fascinating.

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From: sbarber@panix.com (Steve Barber)
Subject: Spanish Paradors
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:34:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

We have been trying to call the reservation number for Paradors in Spain
but have no luck getting through (the line is always busy).

Does anybody know any tricks for getting reservations in these places?
Does anyone (like travel agents) take reservations?  So far we've had no luck.

PLease e-mail responses to sbarber@panix.com
Thanks

-- 
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From: jge@ceti.cs.unc.edu (John Eyles)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: things to do near Portland OR
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:07:17 GMT
Distribution: usa

I'm going to be visiting Portland in early May and have a weekend to play.

I'd like to get advice on things to do within 100 miles or so
of the city.   I'm probably not interested in spending much time
in Portland itself.  Does it make more sense to go to the Mt. Hood area
or to the coast this time or year ?   Any advice on nice lodges
and such in either area ?

Thanks in advance. Mail or followup to rec.travel is fine.

John Eyles
jge@cs.unc.edu
From: cday@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Day)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:41:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Long Layover at London Heathrow
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel



Hmmmmmm. A couple hours in London....

I'd take the tube in to see Big Ben and Westminster Abbey, then walk
up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square and the National Gallery ( impressive
and free ).  Maybe something to eat before heading back to Heathrow.

Not at night, though.

Chris Day
From: steveb@cernvax.cern.ch (Steve Bougerolle)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: China border regulations
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:32:51 GMT
Organization: CERN, Geneva, Switzerland

In <1992Apr8.184020.26397@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.192313.16804@yang.earlham.edu>, jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu writes:

><If they are really asking for AIDS test results at customs
>Yes.

The last I heard this was only required if you were after a student visa,
not for tourists.

Has anybody actually BEEN there lately who can confirm or deny this?
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From: ivan@cs.titech.ac.jp (Ivan Worthy Chung)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.railroad,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: More about Trans-Siberian
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:30:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Tokyo Institute of Technology


In mid July this year, I intend to go to Switzerland from Beijing,
China by the Tran-Siberian railroad and Eurail.  I have a couple
questions for those who follow the Trans-Siberian closely or have
taken the train from China to Western Europe.

1)  It is rumored that the Trans-Siberian train service has been
temporarily suspended due to the inclement political situation in
the Soviet Union.  Is this true? 

2) Assuming that the Trans-Siberian is still running, I was told
that one must obtain transit visas for every country the train
passes through (China, USSR, and perhaps the newly-formed CIS
states).  Consequently, the potential problem lies in the difficulty
of obtaining transit visas for the newly-formed CIS states, since
most of them probably haven't established diplomatic relations with
other countries, not to mention the absence of such embassies.  

So, does anyone know whether transit visas are needed for the
newly-formed CIS states?  If yes, is it possible to obtain them in
Hong Kong or Japan or even China?  

If you know the answer to either one of the above questions, please
email me directly;  but feel free to post your answers to USENET
also.

Thank you.

Ivan.
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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: SPEEDING (where to do it)
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:55:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.053959.1593@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark
Brader) writes:
> 
> 
> For the benefit of overseas readers -- someone else in this thread
> referred to the US speed limit having been increased from 55 to 65 mph
> (from 89 to 105 km/h) in rural areas.  This increase in fact applies
> only to the "Interstate" highway network, which is the main network of
> freeways (motorways) in the US.  All other roads, including non-Interstate
> freeways, are still 55 mph at most, as are Interstates in a few states
> (generally in the northeast, such as New York and Pennsylvania).
> -- 

  Not quite correct.  Florida's Turnpike is not an interstate,
  and the speed limit is 65 mph through most of it once you
  go north of Broward Co. (Broward county is in South Florida,
  and it's most famous city is Fort Lauderdale.)

jan
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From: siperas@hsi86.hsi.com (Steve Siperas)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Annapolis/Baltimore
Keywords: Annapolis/Baltimore
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:57:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT

Hi

I may be traveling to Annapolis/Baltimore soon and was wondering
what interesting things there are todo in Annapolis/Baltimore,
resturantes etc. and what I should avoid.

thanks

steve
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From: dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: Hawaii (again? :^(
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:09:09 GMT


I'm brand new to this newsgroup, and painfully aware that this is almost
certainly a FAQ, but....
The wife and I have never been to Hawaii and would like to take advantage
of her Air Force status ($10 flights to Hickam!) sometime this year.
We know almost nothing about travel in Hawaii (yes, we'll do lots of reading
before going) but would like some good advice. 
Our interests are mostly scenic; we have no desire to see any of the typical
tourist stuff (big hotels, crowds, roasted pigs. etc). I've heardd of
several things to do there that sound appealing:
1. A long bike ride down the slope of a volcano
2. Snorkeling (neither of us has ever done this anywhere)
3. Volcano-watching (or whatever you'd call it)
4. Hiking to see waterfall

I don't even know which islands to do these on! We'd have to fly into
Hickam, but after that would want to get away from the tourist yuck ASAP.
Time and finances are somewhat restricting; we'd have a maximum of 6 days
including travel to/from California. I'd like to keep our daily expenses
under $200/day if possible...is this ludicrous?
I know there are plenty of scenic places to visit, but I want to avoid the
syndrome of rushing around trying to see as much as possible in a limited
time and then needing a "vacation after the vacation" to recuperate.
Can some kind, patient, and knowledgeable soul please advise me on some
basics, such as when to come (September/October is a good window for us),
which islands to visit/avoid, where to see the best volcanic activity, how
naive my $200/day estimate is, etc? Thanks a lot! Reciprocally, I can offer
travel advice on the North/Central California, Reno, and Las Vegas scene
(I lived in LV for 22 years) to anyone interested.
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From: bachww@rtsg.mot.com (Bud Bach)
Subject: WANTED: Hotel in Vero Beach
Reply-To: bachww@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:16:16 GMT

Anyone know of any moderately priced, *nice*, hotels ($50-70), on the
ocean, in or near Vero Beach, Florida?  Thanks  -- Bud


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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: edinburgh in may
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:20:05 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

davide@sco.COM (David Escoffery) wrote:
> it looks like my wife and I will be able to spend two days and three nights
> in edinburgh next month .. other than any interesting suggestions on what to
> do (such as a tour of a tartan woolen mill or whiskey distillery,

I don't think any tartan (or wool, period) is woven in Edinburgh; most of
the stuff sold in tourist traps (and face it, hardly any Scots buy it) is
made in the Borders or the Far East.  There never has been a textile
industry there.

It's spelt "whisky" in Scotland.  Try the Yellow Pages for distilleries.
There are a couple of obscure ones but the better ones are all further
north or west.

My usual shortlist of things to do in Edinburgh:

- Dunfermline Abbey (by train so you go over the Forth Bridge)
- climb Arthur's Seat
- wander round the New Town, Water of Leith Walkway, Stockbridge, Dean
- Gladstone's Land (17th century merchant's house)
- the circular-route tour bus from Waverley Bridge
- get "The List" (fortnightly) to find what to go out to

> frommer's reviews both the dalhousie castle and bothwick castle ..

The Insight Guide to Edinburgh is probably a lot better than Frommer's

> we are currently thinking about taking the express bus from london, round
> trip .. any information here appreciated .. 

Unless you are VERY poor, don't do it.  It is appallingly slow,
uncomfortable, and all you see for most of the way is the embankments of
the M1.  Train (buy a cheap fare in advance, like APEX) or plane are
a much better way to travel.

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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Car rental in Paris
Summary: b4 37
Keywords: the ballad of lucy jordan
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:39:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.psima01.703373986
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG

how much does it cost to rent a sports car in Paris for
one day?

Thanks
Michael
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From: tjio@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lee Tjio)
Subject: Re: London >>> N.Y.C. Courier Info?
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.140910.22506@inmos.co.uk> boardman@inmos.co.uk (Richard Boardman) writes:
>I'm interested in taking a couple of courier flights to the
>US - initiallly to New York, however I don't really know
>where to start looking for info.
>
>Cheers!
>Richard Boardman
>boardman@inmos.co.uk
>

Companies which are looking for couriers usually advertise in
the newspaper (at least they used to).  I had a friend who had
gone on three trips to the far east as a courier.

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