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Subject: Re: GINA'S STORY - 9 YR OLD ON DAD'S MOTO
From: ses@sunSITE.unc.edu (Simon Spero)
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:14:37 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov15.155534.15433@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>
>The immediacy of the smells, trees-flowers-road, was
>one of the first things I noticed about riding, and
>one thing I consistantly look forward to.
>

Another great conspiracy theory of our time: when pillioning around Cambridge,
(Mass, not the real one) on the back of the Madhatter's FJ, I noticed that
the steam coming from the vents in the road always smelt of chocolate- is there
some warped version of Willy Wonka's chocolate factory in operation under the
streets of Boston, managed by some twisted MIT undergraduate thrown into the
sewers in the early 50s for daring to go to sleep during term time? Oliver
Stone should be told.

Simon

p.s.
 I'm now an alien in residence in the Triangle area; Ed - is bike rationing
still in force? :-) If not, can anyone recommend a good dealer for cheapies
(Jawa, MZ, Ducati^H^H^H^H^H^H, etc). Also, is it possible to get a bike licence
without a cage licence?
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:10:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>
>	I know this is all a rationalization on the fingerless gloves. I still
>	claim to myself that if I hit the asphalt at high speed I'll be able
>	to get myself *off* my ass and onto the leather parts of my chaps.
           
 You'll certainly wish you can get onto the leather. In reality you'll probably
 find yourself tumbling and rolling until you peel off enough speed to (like my
 choice of verbs?) control your slide. A friend of mine (actually my best
 friend's future father-in-law) dumped his Electra Glide at about 70mph and
 ground about half of his left bun off last summer. It certainly wasn't very
 funny when it happened, but now that he's just about healed up his biker
 buddies have started calling him "Half-Ass"!

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:45:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.221352.17753@csrd.uiuc.edu> leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:
|I have to agree with Mike on this one.  Peripheral vision as defined
|by my Webster's New World Dictionary (and how I've always thought of
|it) is:
|
|	the area of vision lying just outside the line of direct sight
|
|My own working definition is that something is in my periph. vision if
|I can see it without looking at it.  The outer edges of my viewport
|are not in my periph. vision.

  Read that JUST a little closer, Bruce...  Are you defining "direct sight"
as merely "forward sight"?  It sure looks like it, which is incorrect.  If
you turn your eyes and TRY to see your viewport, and still can't see the
edges of your viewport, then perhaps your helmet does NOT restrict YOUR
side-to-side peripheral vision - but you are the only one that I know of
that fits this description, and perhaps ought to think about not driving or
riding anymore before you hurt yourself or, more importantly, someone else.

|[much deleted]
|I think Mike really pushed Randy's hot button.

  Not really.  Sometimes when someone starts swearing at me when they clearly
don't have a brain cell firing and THINK that they are Gods gift to the
intelligentsia, then, yeah, I'll sometimes react, but I don't lose any sleep
over it.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rainsuit Recommendations Wanted
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: rd.1992Nov16.150020.13080
Distribution: na
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <27487@oasys.dt.navy.mil> forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell) writes:
>I am often aware that his Dry Rider doesn't do the job adequately. Any
>suggestions as to what kinds of (one-piece) rainsuits _really_ do the
>job?

I had a Rain Rider one-piece. I think that it's the same as the Dry Rider ones
in the US, but I'm not sure. I struggled in and out if it for two years
before it sprung a leak in the crotch (very embarrassing) and I had en excuse
to get rid of it.

During the summer I bought a Fieldsheer two-piece. It doesn't leak. Ever.
It is much easier to deal with than a one piece. It has two useable pockets
in the jacket and one in the pants. The jacket looks reasonable enough
to wear in the street, so I don't have to leave a raincoat at work if I
want to go for a walk at lunch. The jacket is fairly long so that the pants
don't have to be of the annoying suspender type. Suspenders were provided, 
but I didn't like them so I cut them off. 

If, for some silly reason, you insist on a one piece, get one that has some
sort of liner so that it can slide over wet leather. This usually means 
having the fabric of the PVC material on the inside. If you get a cheap 
suit with the fabric on the outside, rub some talcum powder in the shoulder
area. This treatment lasts for several wearings and makes donning and doffing
the suit much easier.

Anecdote:
So I made it. It's 25 C outside, raining in torrents and I'm sweating up a
storm. I grab the soaking wet tankbag off the bike, dig my house keys out
of it, and manage to unlock the door. I push the dog out of the way and 
scramble down to the bathroom in the basement. Yank the gloves off. And the
helmet. The steam from inside my leathers is fogging up my glasses and my
bladder is about to burst. I unzip the front of the rainsuit and wiggle one 
hand from under the wrist cuff elastic and tug on the sleeve with the other
hand. It's not moving. Squeak! Squeak! Wriggle, tug, yank,......
aaaarrrrrghghgh! Screw it, I'll take the leathers off with the rainsuit still
on top. I poke my hand back through the end of the sleeve and drag the
sleeve up to my elbow (squeeeeeek)  so that I can get at the sleeve zipper 
of my leathers. I manage to unzip the zipper before that stupid elastic cuts
off the circulation to my arm.....

(the rest of this anecdote contains coarse language unsuitable for the general
public, while this may not be a problem for rec.moto, I think you get the
idea and I don't feel like typing anymore)

My friends, one piece rainsuits are no fun.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Where's that number for Aerostitch....
From: arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Slip-sliding away (was Re: What would you ride...)
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:34:03 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

alex@lyra.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews) writes:

>"You are riding your bike in a straight line.  Is your front wheel rotating
>about its hub, or about its contact point with the road, or both, or
>neither?"
>-Alex Matthews (alex@lyra.colorado.edu, matthews@jila.bitnet)

About the rear hub??

Art
arturo@informix.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Indian???? BSA???
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:16:47 GMT

davet@loowit (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>  At no time did Indian ever have a business relationship with BSA
>(British Small Arms).

Birmingham Small Arms.

--
- )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  DoD #400
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: FORTUNE magazine profiles Hells Angels
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:56:57 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:


>Anyone else see the five page article in FORTUNE
>magazine (V. 126, No. 12, Nov. 30, 1992) on the
>business aspects of the Hells Angels motorcycle club?

>Fortune says:
>     
>     The feds believe the Hells Angels and the other
>     large outlaw gangs earn up to $1 billion a year
>     worldwide from drug dealing, prostitution,
>     gunrunning, theft, extortion, and murder.
>     That's far less than La Cosa Nostra, which takes 
>     in an estimated $50 billion annually in the U.S., 
>     but the outlaw bike gangs are more vibrant and growing 
>     faster.

>What I found most interesting is the structure (according to FORTUNE)
>of the ride.  There's a drawing of a bunch of bikers on the road.
>The first two are labeled "President" and "Road Captain" then there
>are a bunch of people in a group labeled "Full color-wearing members" 
>(with the next to the last person named "Sergeant-at-arms") then 
>another group labeled "Probationary members" then a third group 
>labeled "Associates or honorary members" then two final people 
>labeled "Enforcer" and "Assistant Road Captain".  A crash truck 
>follows 1 1/2 to 2 miles behind.

>The caption for the drawing says:

>     Check you rear view mirror.  So-called runs to bike rallies 
>     and parties remain a most important ritual for outlaws.  The 
>     Angels and other clubs impose this strict hierarchical order 
>     and map out routes in advance.

>"Mapping out routes in advance" - they make it sound so sinister,
>yet I do it when I travel any distance whether in a car or on the bike.

>This sounds too structured to me.  Anyone have any first hand
>experience about this.  Are the "rides" really that structured?


>-- 
>   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
>                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
>             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
>                              DoD # 0698

Gee I dunno Brice, We (the nedod) did the same thing this year for our
FRF leaf-peeping tour - Are we in the same league as these guys? Don't we
hope to be?  :):):)

... to answer your question, yes I have heard about this structure in the HA.
Pick up a copy of Hunter S. Thompson's "Hell's Angels" for an in-depth (if not
warped) view. It's actually a pretty good book.
S.
-- 
#   Scott Lilliott -- csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897   "Countersteering is like benchracing. A bunch of posers   
#   DoD #0227      standing around the parts counter lying about all the
 #  INOA #8563     great twisties they've steered through."- Bill Ranck DoD 496
From: shinh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Shinjiro Hirose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why I ride
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:36:12 GMT
Organization: Mass General Hospital NMR Imaging Center

In article <Stafford-171192160427@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>
>>From my perspective, the worst
>>possible thing that can happen to you is to realize, on your
>>deathbed, that you havn't done anything. 
>
>And almost as bad to be fatally injured on a japanese bike
>when it could have been on something with class.

And there are *so* many really classy Harley riders.
You know, the ones with the vests and beards, and guts, and...

-- 

Shin Hirose						1980 CB750-F
shinh@nmr-r.mgh.harvard.edu                         	1970 Porsche 914
DoD # 0670 						"the serpent was subtil"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why I ride
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:07:39 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>
>From my perspective, the worst
>possible thing that can happen to you is to realize, on your
>deathbed, that you havn't done anything. 

And almost as bad to be fatally injured on a japanese bike
when it could have been on something with class.
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Japanese Motorcycle Repair Kit
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:22:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Tom Coradeschi <tcora> (tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL) wrote:
: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: >FranklinKL (klf@druwa.ATT.COM) wrote:
: >: Just a humorous sidebar:
: >: 
: >: I came up behind a car on I-25 last night.  It had several bumper stickers
: >: on the back, one of which was one seen frequently (and which is also
: >: popular on T shirts).  I'm sure you've all seen it. The text says:
: >: 
: >: 		"Japanese Motorcycle Repair Kit"
: >: 
: >: Next to the text is a picture of a hand grenade.  Deucedly clever eh?
: [...]

more [...]

I have a picture I took here of a Volvo with a sticker in the back that says...

Hungry? Out of Work? Eat your import!

People unclear on the concept Part IX

: ObMoto: I had knee surgery. I ain't riding. I don't like that.
ObMotoII: Collarbone is almost well so I should be riding soon.  I like that.

:                 tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
:                             Loud Pipes Suck


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 <M> MerfMan 
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:29:52 GMT

For a long distance trip, I can recommend a K100RS.  The only problem that I
can see with it is the lack of range.  The same goes for the Triumph Trophy and
the Yamaha FJ1200 which are both big mile eaters.  The drawback with these two 
is that they are chain driven which implies more maintenance.  Perhaps a K75
would be better, I think they have a greater range if that's a problem.  I 
usually start searching for a petrol station after about 100 - 120 miles on
Kay, my K100RS.  What is the largest distance between petrol stations on
your trip?  I think that that is an important bit of research, also, try and 
find out their opening times.  Another consideration is dealers.  If you are
going to be away from what we laughingly call "civilisation" for a while,
what marque offers the most accessible dealers.

I wish you every success and enough happenings to make that trip's memories
last your life.  Please write it up on your return, you lucky bastard.


Nick (the Envious Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Adventure Holiday Guide


M'Lud.
From: car377@druhi.ATT.COM (RogersC)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Summary: The Holy Scripture of Statistics
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.033630.5630@tcsi.com>, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
> 
> "Say on a per mile basis someone is five times (I don't know the actual
> figure and would appreciate it if anyone knows) as likely to be killed
> on a motorcycle than in a car.  That means that every 5 miles you
> travel in your car is as risky as one mile on a motorcycle.  

No, it doesn't mean that at all.  There isn't any "actual" figure because
such figures are gross averages of poorly collected (and even more
poorly organized and processed) data.  

The figures only apply to YOU if YOU are BOTH the average cager AND
the average motorcyclist, and if your exposure to risk factors happens
to be the same as the "average" person described by the statistic for
the time/place/conditions of the statistic.  If you've taken an MSF 
course, don't do social drugs and ride/drive, have acquired a valid 
MC license, and wear appropriate safety equipment, you have already,
by your risk-management strategy, placed yourself well outside the set 
of riders described by the statistic.  The number is meaningless, but
when it is used in the above context to describe how dangerous an
activity is, it promotes the illusion that risk is somehow a fixed
environmental factor not affected by the preparation/strategies of
the described population.  That's BS.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jbothwel@brtph375.bnr.ca (James Bothwell P920)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Followup-To: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Summary: AlCan bike? 
Keywords: distance, gravel
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:17:47 GMT

In article <BxvKzz.2n1@apollo.hp.com> writes:
|> Recently I've been thinking about taking a long distance solo ride -- a rideto
|> Alaska from my home in New Hampshire. I'd ride the Trans-Alaska Hwy through
.
.
.
|> Now that I've gotten the course layed out (;^), I'll have to get buy-in frommy
|> spouse (no easy task), and (of course) a bike up to the task. This is where the
I drove the AlCan in 1982 and if it has not changed you are in for about 1500 
miles of gravel.  I saw two guys on touring bikes while driving the gravel. 
The bikers were NOT having a good time.  I suggest a DP bike of some sort.  
The drive was fun in a cage though I was cleaning the dust out of my car for 
the next 2 years.

James Bothwell               22 hours of sunlight a day is the only way to
jbothwel@bnr.ca              see the summer through!!
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Break-in (what is it?)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:37:31 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <5122@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>
>Possibly the worst thing I can think of being is young and hip.

How come everyone I know who thinks that is old and dorky?

-- 
Ray Shea                               I woke up this morning,
UniSQL, Inc.                           all my shrimps was dead and gone...
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu       
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: fucking BDI motorcycle drivers
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165637.24727@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>marrevola@rediris.es wrote:
>: In article <1992Nov17.193035.11161@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>: > So pull onto the shoulder, slow or stop for a few seconds, to get him
>: > ahead of you, and then use your superior accelleration to get you
>: > safely back into the traffic flow.
>: > -- 
>: > Jonathan E. Quist                           INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
>: 
>: Thanks God, a responsible guy!!!
>
>Yes, but so boring and a posting quite outside the spirit and raison d'etre of
>jolly old wreck-dot-motos.  Sad, really....

That's it, then!  I challenge you to the Fish-Slapping Dance.  You may have
the kippers, I want the salmon.


So, how the hell do you get "Datasbuild" out of "Nick" anyhow?

May Mrs. Sloacom take a liking to you...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikes in the House
Summary: bikes in the dorm
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:53:47 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA


You should have seen the looks on people's faces when I put my race bike
in the elevator of the grad student dorm at UNC Chapel Hill to take it
up to my room.  The bike only stayed in the room one night (til I took it to a 
friend's shop where I had rented space) but I kept a supply of spares etc.
under the bed.  Somehow I managed to keep a double room to myself most of the
year. Each time they moved in someone new as a roommate, she either decided 
she really wanted a single, or that there was someone else she wanted to room 
with instead. :)

Janet
gunnj@nmi.com
or
gunnj@ddn-wms.ddn.mil
or
gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com
one of these SHOULD work
the reply to is probably wrong

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From: Mark S. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Re: Isle Of Man on TV
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:51:17 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:53:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.181224.15585@bnr.uk> Datasbuild, datasbld@bnr.ca
writes:
>Did anybody see the Isle Of Man report on Top gear? (BBC2)  I have it on
>video.  Some of the footage was incredible, bikes going through villages
at
>DoD++++++++!  

I've never seen any IoM stuff here in the States on TV. :(  You Brits also
have that cool satellite service for all the GPs too, don't you?!  It's
just
not fair!!

>I liked the way they turned the roads into a big one-way system
>and let the bikers go ape-shit.  I am definitely going there next year. 
I
>hope to bump into a few DoDers there too.  I liked it when one of the
veterans
>talked about lining the bike up at a post-box, going WFO and having to
move 
>his head aside for a moment to dodge the telegraph pole!  Wowee!

I've heard about this pole!  Unbeleivable!!  Evidently several people
have been 
killed there over the years.

I'd love to go to the Isle of Man one of these years....

Cheers!

- Mark
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Novell Inc.			                
1340 Treat Blvd. #300             "I'd rather live than just imagine..." 
                     
Walnut Creek, CA 94596 	                                 - Y. Malmsteen
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From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Exhaust systems
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:05:43 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.
X-Xxdate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:52:01 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

Problem:

I want a 4 into 1 exhaust system for my Ninja that isn't too loud.
(The stock system is a 4 into 2.)

Solution:

What if you buy an after market exhaust system and just use a stock
muffler from a 4 into 1 system on another bike?  Since my bike is 750cc,
I could use the stock canister from a ZX-7 or GSXR750 both of which (I
think) are 4 into 1 systems.  Since the displacements are the same, the
back pressure characteristics should be approximately the same.  And the
whole system would be much lighter than stock, and not too much louder.
(If I got the ZX-7 canister, it'd even say Kawasaki on it, so it would
look stock.)

Am I missing something?

Thanks...

- Mark

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Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 '90 Ninja 750
Novell Inc.			                
1340 Treat Blvd. #300             "I'd rather live than just imagine..." 
                     
Walnut Creek, CA 94596 	                                 - Y. Malmsteen
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