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From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Internal security
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:16:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Big brother is watching you!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:17:47 GMT
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In article <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>
>        As ROP national conference opening at Houston, the competition
>war for new presidency between Bush and Clinton is getting fiercer.
>Economy is hottest topic in the States. But the rest of world may concern
>more what change of US foreign policy than the recovery of US regression. 
>       It is hard to say who will win the goal. Bush would be another minority
>president (like Pres. Kennedy) for next term. Personally I'd prefer to Bush.
>As a veteran politician, Bush has shown his qualification of being leadership
>in the world affairs. With long-term experience on diplomacy, he knows
>how to deal games with foreign countries including China. Frankly speaking,
>he is friendly to China. After proclaiming to "clean" House (Capitol) on his
>next term, Bush could carry out his plans. And US would increase rapidiy,
>5% or 10% ? who knows! Well, should Americans bet all their properties on
>Clinton ?  Not good deal. His blueprint plans sound good, but who can sure
>what the result is, not to mention his hardly experience on foreign relations.
>Bush at least could blame Capitol for every fault. I wonder who could be 
>accused by Clinton in the future, Japan, Taiwan? Maybe China too.
>
>cqu

On the China issue Clinton is just a typical crowd pleasing politician saying
things that the uninformed American public wants to hear.  He doesn't talk
about the complex dynamics of Chinese politics and economic development
and how the US can really help the Chinese people. Instead he tries to
gain political capital by bashing Bush for trying to stay close to China,
something the vast majority of the Chinese people, pro-Communist or not, want.

Clinton is very dishonest.  I predict that if elected he will have the rare
honor of being an undisputedly terrible president.
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:17:07 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao) writes:


>Chi1 Bao2 Le1 Cheng2 De4!
Chi1 Bao3 Le4 Cheng1 De4.(Beijing Hua4)

No flame, just can not figure out which part of the country you are from.
From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:14:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ceWQKQy00Uh7E6XmMp
	<gretchen.154@yap.las.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

By the same token, should we demand the CCP to do the same thing to
apology to the Chinese people as well????

-tie ju
From: zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: <None>
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:40:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <17AUG199223495555@oregon.uoregon.edu>, nihong@oregon.uoregon.edu (Hong Ni) writes:> 
> Anyone out there happens to know where to obtain some utility programs that
> can transfer GB-format files to Big5 files on a PC and/or other systems?
> Any big-5 printing programs?  I know there is something called "gb2ps.exe",
> but is there a "big52ps.exe?"
Try ahkcsuc.org:src/pc or src/unix and look for b2g.* (?) and b2ps.*(?).
I'm sure they programs you want are all there.

Hao Zhang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:32:37 GMT

In article <71235@apple.Apple.COM> lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai) writes:
>In article <92Aug14.132341edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
>>the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
>>for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
>>dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
>>mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
>>a reason.  
>>
>>Y. Liu 
>
>Don't be so sure, this is the China as described by Macro Polo, and he
>made it sound like the Golden Age of any nation.
>
1.  We still cannot prove Marco Polo really reached China.  Whatever
    he wrote could be just some 3rd hand gossip.

2.  If Marco Polo really come to China, he was a high Imperial official,
    couldn't care less about the miserable condition of the conquered
    people.  He just took all that treasure/salary/loot for granted.

3.  Europe was in its own dark-age, so the wealth and power of the 
    Yuan Dynasty does make the Italian city states look like sh*t.

>/* Disclaimer: All statments and opinions expressed are my own */
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: YANG SONG <YANG_SONG@carleton.ca>
Subject: Help: E-mail system in China
Really-To: soc.culture.china@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:24:00 GMT

Dear Netters:
A friend of mine who's working on the Canadian-Chinese universities
exchange program asked me for some information regarding the e-mail
system/electronic network system in China. Can anybody who happen to
have materials of this kind forward some info for me? Your help will
be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
YANG Song
yang_song@carleton.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Re: A lie
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:51:16 CDT

In article <25652@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.115626.10117@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>>
>> Hui Zhu was right in part.  But some prisoners DO have the right to vote
>>if they were not deprived of the "political rights" in the sentence.  In
>>most cases, the prisoners were deprived of the rights for some period of
>>time.  Considering the fact that WU served in the jail for 19 years, he/she
>>must surely be deprived of ALL political rights ALL the time in jail, 
>>including the right to vote.  It was also reseanable to assume that prisoners
>>around him/her got severe sentences too and thus be deprived of the right
>>to vote.  
>
>I'm confused by this. What voting rights have existed for the average 
>citizen in the PRC, let alone the prisoners ?  I recall some publicity
>about minor elections in the mid-80's that led to Fang Lizhi's wife 
>being elected for some local position in Haidian, but outside of that
>brief experiment, I was under the impression that people in China had 
>about as much say in their rulers as they do about the weather. Please 
>clarify for me the voting process in China if I've been seriously 
>misinformed.
>Joe Huang
> 
By law people aged 18 or above have the right to vote (this is one of, and
most practical, "political rights" in China).  Personally I experienced two
serious votes in China, both cases for electing local representatives to
the local Peoples's Congress.  The first one was in 1984/85, and I believe
that was the real beginning of this kind of voting in China.  The were
three recommended candidates, and two seats.  You can also choose people
outside the three.  I remember that one of them were my English teacher, and
I certainly voted her.  The second time was in 1989, after 6.4.  
I did not vote that time because I was busy with my own things. 
	The representatives elected at a lower level would vote for the 
representatives to the higher level.  
	At country level, the officials would be elected directly.  This is
now in experimental stage in some areas. 
	Well, maybe you would say I am NOT an average Chinese (otherwise
how come you are here ?), but people in my village also participated the
two elections I mentioned above.  They even elected their village leader
during the culture revolution. 
	I hope this can clarify some of your doubts.  I know the voting 
process in China is not perfect, but I am glad to see it is improving.
From: fitoh@aegis.or.jp (Fumiaki Itoh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese language e-mail correspondence
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:02:43 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

Dear netters:

     We have eight students from China at our senior 
high school in Kyoto, Japan.  They were born and raised
in China and came over to Japan to settle here with their
parents and/or grandparents.  They studied in schools in
China until grades four to eight and then entered Japanese 
elementary schools or junior high schools. The ages of the
students are from fifteen to twenty. They can communicate
both in Chinese and Japanese.  Unfortunately they are not
good at English.

     I'd like to establish Chinese language e-mail links
between my students and Chinese high school students, 
university students, or professors etc in U.S.A and other
countries, who have access to e-mail system.

     I hope the students can broaden their mental horizons
and get new perspectives on China as their native country
and improve their commmand of Chinese through this Chinese
language e-mail correspondence project.  My students speak
Beijing Chinese(?). I'm sorry I don't know the English name
of the language spoken in Beijing. 
 
     Is a Mcintosh computer appropriate to use Chinese
wordprocessor software.  It seems you can send Chinese
characters by converting a Chinese text file based on GB
code or BIG-5 code into ASCII text file before sending.
Those who recieve the ASCII text file on the other end
can convert it back into the original Chinese text file.  

     Please let me know if you are interested in this
Chinese language e-mail correspondence project.  I'd like
to appreciate it very much.
  
                   Fumiaki Itoh
                   Toba Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan


--
Fumiaki Itoh  
JUNET: fitoh@aegis.or.jp (within Japan)
BITNET: fitoh%aegis.or.jp@jpnkyoto.bitnet (international)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:14:24 EDT
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: letter to NBC, from Berkeley and Stanford students
Distribution: usa

I would like to hear the responses (if any) from the newspapers, ABC, CBS,
especially NBC.

Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Parents
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:52:13 GMT

In article <133086@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:

Irrelevant stuff deleted

>
>Well, since your parents supported you through college, it's only
>reasonable that you take care of them in times of need.  However,
>do you know that in US a lot of kids are independent when they
>turn 18?  If their parents cut off financial support then, should
>they still take care of their parents when they get old?
>
>--
>Terry Cheung
>tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov

If you think a man has the right not to support his parents just 
because they didn't give him money when he was in college, you are
wrong. Don't you remember it's your parents who raised you? How are
you going to compensate them for just that?

And this is not a issue of money at all. If it is so, I guess you have 
to calculate the total sum your parents spent on you, less the child
tax credit they received every year, divide that by what you pay
the nursing home annually, then support your parents through exactly 
that many years.  I don't have a clue how you are going to do
this, do you? *grin*

-- 
Fan YU                     Internet: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
Department of Physics              (416)525-9140 ext:3296
McMaster University           
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada     ---------------------------------
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From: hong@doe.carleton.ca (Xia Hongxia)
Subject: TsingHua Jian 82(Architecture 82)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:09:31 GMT

Hello, I am posting this message for Liu WenXiang:
He is graduated from TsingHua University, Dept of Architecture,in 1987 (i.e. 
Er\Zi\Ban-) He'd like to hear from his fellows from same class or same dept,
or same university.
Please respond to this email address or call (613)-526-0196.
Thank you for your attention.
--
Hongxia Xia
email: hong@doe.carleton.ca
phone: (613)-788-4048
       (613)-526-0196
From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Lou4 Shi4 Ming2 ( Tang2 . Liu2 Yu3 Xi1 )
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug20.043839.4501@wuecl.wustl.edu>, xm1@cec1.wustl.edu (Xingdong Ma) writes...
>Hi, folks!
>Please enjoy the famous "Lou4 Shi4 Ming2". I think most of us
>have already known this article.
>=========================================================
> 
>                      Lou4 Shi4 Ming2
>  
>                       Tang2 .  Liu2 Yu3 Xi1
> 
>    Shan1 bu4* zai4 gao1, you3 xian1 ze2 ming2;
>    Shui3 bu4 zai4 shen1, you3 long2 ze2 ling2.
>    Si1 shi4 lou4 shi4, wei2 wu2 de2 xin1.
>    Tai1 hen2 shang4 jie1 lu4**, cao3 se4 ru4 lian2 qing1.
>    Tan2 xiao4 you3 hong2 ru2, wang3 lai2 wu2 bo2*** ding1.
>    Ke3 yi3 tiao2 su4 qin2, yue4 jin1 jing1;
>    Wu2 si1 zhu2 zhi1 luan4 er3, wu2 an4 du2 zhi1 lao2 xing2.
>    Nan2 yang2 Zhu1 Ge3 lu2, xi1 shu3 Zi3 Yun2 ting2.
>    Kong3 Zi3 yun2 :" He2 lou4 zhi1 you3 ?"
> 
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>*    bu4(no) is usually sounded as "bu2".
>**   I don't know how to write "green" in pinyin. 
>***   bai2(white) is read as "bo2" in the ancient time.
> 
>Sorry for the mistakes, and please correct me.
>---------------------------------------------------------------

Bo2 Ding1 means persons without a position in the government, according to 
the dictionary. If this is true, then I can't like it. But I think bo2 ding1 
means uneducated man.

Hsi
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From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:45:54 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Horizon Research


In view of the "Open Letter to the Japanese Emperor" and
some of the discussion related to that topic, I'd like to
ask Chinese or Korean readers just exactly would be acceptable
as an apology from the Japanese government or Emperor, and
what constitutes "accepting responsibility".

In other words, what is that the Japanese Emperor could say
or do during his upcoming visit that would achieve this result?
Or would anything he said be not enough, or considered insincere?

I guess this is important, because so many people expect something,
but I'm not sure that they even know what they expect, and have
those with expectations set a goal that will satisfy them?

Please remember, the Emperor as a symbol without power, can only
use his words. What are the good words he should say?

Please be frank.

-Bill Lambert
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Parents
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Aug14.165213.21817@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
->In article <133086@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->
->Irrelevant stuff deleted
->
->>
->>Well, since your parents supported you through college, it's only
->>reasonable that you take care of them in times of need.  However,
->>do you know that in US a lot of kids are independent when they
->>turn 18?  If their parents cut off financial support then, should
->>they still take care of their parents when they get old?
->>
->>--
->>Terry Cheung
->>tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
->
->If you think a man has the right not to support his parents just 
->because they didn't give him money when he was in college, you are
->wrong. Don't you remember it's your parents who raised you? How are
->you going to compensate them for just that?

Well, do you know that it is the parents responsibility to raise a
child?  If they give birth to a child, they are obligated to support
the child until he/she turns 18, required by law.

Some parents raise children with love, and some just raise them expecting
to be taken care of when they are old.  There are many ways to raise
children.  Some children grow up in a loving family, and some not.

Now, the reason that I mentioned about his parents give him money for
college is to indicate that his parents are giving him more than the
basic requirement.  It doesn't necessarily mean that parents who don't
give their children money are necessarily not giving them love, but
could be so.  As I mentioned before, not all parents are loving and
caring.  It is reasonable that you return their love, only if they
did give you that.  What I am objecting is to blindly requiring a
child to support his/her parents, even if he had a miserable childhood,
just because his/her parents raise him/her.

->
->And this is not a issue of money at all. If it is so, I guess you have 
->to calculate the total sum your parents spent on you, less the child
->tax credit they received every year, divide that by what you pay
->the nursing home annually, then support your parents through exactly 
->that many years.  I don't have a clue how you are going to do
->this, do you? *grin*

Yes.  I agree money is not a issue.  In fact, I've seen rich old people
that are lonely and all they want is for their children to visit them,
but they can't even get that.  

Just an observation, what do you think about the tax laws - that you
get child tax credit but not parent tax credit?

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:26:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>
>        As ROP national conference opening at Houston, the competition
>war for new presidency between Bush and Clinton is getting fiercer.
>Economy is hottest topic in the States. But the rest of world may concern
>more what change of US foreign policy than the recovery of US regression. 

I think I like Clinton much better than Bush. This feeling was initiated
in 1989 when Chinese government killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of
people in Beijing. My feeling is that the Democratic Party has a heart 
of people (not only American people, but people in general), while the
Republican represents the privileged (not only those in American, but
those in general). I well remember Senator Al Gore (spell) was the leader
of a group people from Capitol Hill who sent the protest to the Chinese
Embassy in DC to protest the Massacre that day. What Bush did was to
call Deng Xiaoping. Bush is a person who lacks sense of justice.

As a member of people, I like the one who can speak for the people.

No matter how rich and capitalistic China will be, no matter how
glorious China has been in Olympics, the blood and death of the Tiananmen
Square Massacre will never be forgotten.

Xiao Li
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Tidbit of East Zhou Dynasty (was Re: Cannibalism in China - more
        Info)
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:41:25 GMT


In <1992Aug20.011231.2756@wuecl.wustl.edu>, xm1@cec1.wustl.edu (Xingdong Ma)
writes:

About "Li Yi Ji":
>The "Ji1" is not date, but only the left
>hand side of "date", when it's read as "Qi2", it means "he" or "his"
>or "its".

Initially I thought "Ji" was written without the "moon" radical,
but then after thinking about it thrice, I decided that it should
be "Qi2" (date). It looks like that we should never think thrice
before doing something (San1 Si1 Er2 Hou4 Xing2).  :-)

>>>:" You2(guilt) er2 xiao4(follow) zhi1, zui4(crime) you4 shen4(more than) yan1.
>>    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I would translate this into "scolding", though.
>

It just came to my mind that Chinese call copycat behavior "Jing4
[competition] Qi3 [up] Xiao4You2". This phrase actually came from
the Zuo3Zhuan4 sentence you quoted above.

>   Is Shen1 Sheng1 Chong2 Er3's brother?

Yes. Shen1 Sheng1 was the eldest son of Xian4 Gong1. "Li2 Ji1"
wanted her son to succeed the throne and that led to the
fractionation and chaos of the Jin4 state. From that on, in many
occasions in the Chinese history, whenever an emperor was going
to choose a younger son to succeed the throne, this story would
be brought up in the court during the debate.

>Shen1 Sheng1 killed himself and
>Chong2 Er3 fled away. And when Xian4 Gong1 let his eunuch (tai4 jian4)
>whose name was Pi4 to kill Chong2 Er3. There was the "Pu2 Cheng2 Zhi1
>Yi4" ( Pu2 city's war).

It is interesting. I might have got it mixed up, but wasn't the
"PuCheng Zhi Yi" a battle between the Jin4 and the Chu3 states?

Chong2Er3 later on married one of the daughters of the Qin2
state. Including this marriage, there were a total of three
different marriages between the royal families of the Qin and Jin
states. That was the source of this Chinese idiom "Qin2 Jin4 Zhi1
Hao3" which has been used to refer to marriages.

>    There are altogether three of them, Yi4 Ya2 , Shu4 Diao1 and
>I forgot the other's name.  Guan3 Zhong4 told Qi2 Huan2 Gong1 to
>keep away from those three when Guan3 was on his deathbed, but
>Huan2 Gong1 didn't take Guan3's words.

Looks like Lix has given us the name of the third person. :-)


*****Wu2 Wang2 Hao4 Jian4 Ke4, Zhuang4 Shi4 Duo1 Chuang4 Ban1;
     Chu3 Wang2 Hao4 Xi4 Yao1, Gong1 Nyu3 Duo1 Er4 Si3.

     (The King of Wu State liked people who could use sword. As a
      result, brave people often had lots of scars on their bodies.
      The King of Chu State liked women who had thin waist. As a
      result, many of his maids [concubines] starved themselves to
      death.)

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