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From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (WALLACE VENABLE)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: What is significance of 3 crosses in W. VA, VA, * NC ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:43:07 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr16.181706.18721@acsu.buffalo.edu> gerland@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jim Gerland) writes:


>These may be inappropriate for this list but I couldn't find a
>closer topic so feel free to delete this now.

>I recently drove from Buffalo to S. Carolina and noticed numerous
>occurances of 3 corsses prominently positioned along the roadside.

>There was one yellow cross aout 10 feet tall with 2 white crosses
>about 7 feet tall, one on each side of the yellow cross.

>Does anyone know what these crosses symbolize other than the obvious
>reference to Christ and the 2 thiefs.

>Please feel free to reply to me and I will summarize to this news
>group if there is interest.

>Thanks,

>Jim...
	About ten years ago a small businessman from West Virginia started a 
personal crusade to put these up.  His name is Coffindaffer (sp?).  Our 
public TV system in West Virginia did a documentary on him.
	Folklore or fact???  He spent his personal fortune on the project, 
and has errected crosses in all states and several foreign countries.  He 
rejected contributions or fleeced contributers.  He went bankrupt.
	An interesting phenomona, but not reflective of the majority of 
citizens here.
From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Heat Pumps (ground transfer)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:36:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: CERIS.1992Apr8.143654.4062
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <ruqgoINN71p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, by barrya@scout.East.Sun.COM (Barry Andreasen - Sun BOS Hardware):
> I am going to be building a home in the Northeast.  The location is
> rural so the conventional heating options are limited to oil and
> propane.  Since both oil and propane require large fuel storage tanks,
> and involve continuous reliance on fossil fuels, I am wondering what
> the possibilities are for alternate energy sources.  In this area,
> air-to-air heat exchangers are inefficient during the winter, but
> ground water systems (either open or closed) seem to have potential.
> Are there any netters that have any experience with this type of heat
> that could help me get some non-sales pitch data?  I'd be interested
> in hearing about: 
>  how efficiently do they heat/cool the house
>  are there any hidden problems with heating/cooling the domestic water
>  any preferences (and why) about open vs. closed systems
>  preferences/cost differences between vertical and horizontal systems
>  amount of electricity required to run the pumps and exchangers
>  installation cost vs. conventional system
>  maintenance history
> TIA.
> -barry andreasen
>
The rural electrical cooperative in my area publishes a monthly
newsletter, and during the last two to three years, there has
been a lot of coverage (*NOT* paid advertising) of geo-thermal
systems.  (BTW - I live in central Indiana, so judge your
latitude accordingly.)  

For heating purposes, when comparing the efficiency ratings of
natural gas, propane, heating oil, electric resistance coils, and
geo-thermal closed loop systems, the geo-thermal system wins by a
significant margin.  (I don't recall the exact %'s, but, if it's
important, send me e-mail and I'll get back to you.)  Bear in
mind, this does *NOT* take into account the installation costs -
and these can be horrendous.  I don't believe there is a lot of
difference in efficiency between the vertical and horizontal type
systems.

As far as maintenance problems, I don't know.  It may be too soon
to tell.  If I were in the market for a new home heating system,
I would seriously look at geo-thermal.  The installation cost
factor would be my biggest concern.  I would also find out about
and contact actual home owners who have experience with these
systems.

As far as the air-conditioning side of things, I don't know.  I'm
sure the figures are available, but air-conditioning has never
been an important item with me.

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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: a novel use for used catlitter
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:34:45 GMT

The most interesting suggestion I heard for disposal of used smelly gross
cat litter is to pour it down mole holes. (This was a letter published in
Organic Gardening Magazine sometime back). I am waiting for someone local
to try pouring it down gopher holes and report back.  It almost (not
quite!) makes me wish I had gophers so that I could try it out.  Apparently,
if you get enough of their holes, the critters are so offended by the smell
that they move out on their own volition.  

Regarding toxoplasmosis:  I have heard that it is horrible-terrible also
for anybody with a weakened immune system.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: minkpup@IASTATE.EDU (Lisa E Peterson)
Subject: Re: 60% conception
Reply-To: minkpup@IASTATE.EDU (Lisa E Peterson)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.182600@IASTATE.EDU>, minkpup@IASTATE.EDU (Lisa E Peterson)
writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.235611.6617@massey.ac.nz>, A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz
(A.S.
> Chamove) writes:

> > Is there any research on such a topic?
> 
> Oodles and oodles of it...The Journal of  Animal Science and The New Zealand
> Journal of Animal Production  are the best sources.  Here's stuff I've
gleaned
> from classes:
> 
> Conception rate at first mating is related to a number of factors. 
Typically,
> cows that have had difficulty at calving are less likely to conceive at the
> first mating.  Also, a sufficient amount of time is needed to allow for the
> uterus to return to normal after calving, which is about 60 days, because the
> until total involution occurs, the cow cannot maintain a pregnancy and the
> corpus luteum will stop producing progesterone and regress.  
> Also many pregnancies are spontaneously aborted within the first 8-14 days so
it                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^     
Oops, this should be 14-21 days


> shows up as a "silent" or missed heat.  I don't recall the exact percentage
on
> this--it doesn't mean much anyway since we have no way of detecting early
> miscarriages.


I also forgot to mention that an extremely large percentage of heats are missed
by the producer because s/he's not checking during the most active period which
is nighttime and the early morning hours (6pm-12pm on the next day).  Also, an
outrageous number of cows are bred by AI when they're not in heat--which goes to
show that farmers need to know and practice good heat detection.
 
 Lisa E. Peterson
 Animal Science/ Dairy Science
 minkpup@iastate.edu
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Alternative to grass over septic bed?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:13:24 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr5.215814.28927@news.iastate.edu> mpleis@iastate.edu (Cowboy) writes:
>In article <3371@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>Has anybody got suggestions for something *other* than
>>grass over a septic bed?
>When we put a new one in 3 years ago they said it had to be in a lawn.  But now
>we have moved our drive way and it covers half of it and we farm the other half
>. No problems yet

Well, it wouldn't make any sense moving the driveway to the back of the
house.  Nor are we farmers (well, tree farmers in a way).  Nor do we want
to go to jail.

Just wait until traffic on your driveway collapses the bed's distribution
pipes, your farm equipment hits them, or the roots of whatever you're
growing chokes off the pipes.  Then you'll find out why they say "lawn".

Or do you have an extra thick soil cover and/or reinforcing over the pipes?

If we were to pull something like that, we'd be in serious trouble the
next time an inspector of any kind came by.

I'm looking for something with roughly same root behaviour as grass but
more drought-resistant and that doesn't need mowing.
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From: machanicm@gtephx.UUCP (Mindy Machanic)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Alternative to grass over septic bed?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:14:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: gte

In article <3371@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca>, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
> Has anybody got suggestions for something *other* than
> grass over a septic bed?
> 
> 	1) shallow/noninvasive roots (don't want to kill
> 	   the bed)
> 	2) reasonably capable of handling the occasional
> 	   walk over
> 	3) grow on sand (with a very thin layer of top soil - ie:
> 	   the remnants of sod ;-)
> 	4) dry conditions (the grass didn't do very well last year)
> 	5) zone 4-5.
> 
> I'm half considering crown-vetch, but that's rather invasive.
> -- 

Does anybody know if myoporum will grow in the north? The stuff has shallow roots,
and can be walked on occasionally, and definitely will grow on sand in dry
conditions, since it thrives in the Phoenix area with minimal watering. I just
don't know what zones it can actually live in. Probably only 8 and 9--but if
it will grow in the north, you ought to consider it, because it flowers in the
spring, and gets thick and green.

Also, what about pachysandra? Once its established it doesn't take a lot of water.
And it grows in cold, because my mother grows in it north central Pennsylvania 
where they have atrocious winters.

Mindy
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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Antique apples
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Hi, me again.  I got a mail message saying I didn't provide enough
info for an answer.  

I live in VA piedmont terrain.  The woods I am considering were
probably clear cut harvested about 20 years ago so the only really
mature trees are deep in ravines.  I have gone through in the years
I have owned this section of property (3) and cut all the grapevines,
harvested most of the leaning trees.  I still need to zap the majority
of the poplars.  So mostly we are talking oaks and hickorys 8 - 12 "
diameter.

Bill@chaos writes of crabapples as pollinators and deer.
News to me about crabapples, but it seems reasonable enough.
Deers, oh what a problem they are!  But that issue comes up
enough on this list.  I am having some success by bagging dog poopy
from my dog's pen and sprinkling it in the general area of the
trees, not right next to them.

BTW, I have planted one of those chestnuts that is supposed to
be blight resistant and it seems to be doing quite well in
a different section of woods.  No not chinese chestnut, AM. hybrid. 
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From: "kim lambert" <kim.lambert@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: kitty litter disposal
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:16:55 EST
Reply-To: "kim lambert" <kim.lambert@canrem.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: RE: KITTY LITTER DISPOSAL


All the postings in this conference concerning kitty litter disposal
have me a bit worried.  A huge, gorgeous Tom - Manx, I think, or got
it's tail caught somewhere - adopted us a couple of months ago.  This
is a new experience; and we find cat books of little help.  We brought
him to the vet, had the necessary shots, etc., but disposal of his
feces......?  Never occurred to us it was a problem.  We've been
putting the kitty litter in our mulch box, which is very effective
in decomposing most of our other materials.  Will this pose
difficulties, as long as we keep the produce away from pregnant
women?  We're getting a bit concerned, and hope we can get some
responses on this.  Thanks in advance, and take care......

USENET: kim.lambert@canrem.com
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From: enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Buying the farm
Summary: mortgages
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:05:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

>In article <kuo7m1INNo77@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> dsill@igc.org (Dave Sill) writes:
>>
>>A local banker *might* sell a mortgage for more than 10
>>acres, but requires 20% down (too much for us) and charges a couple
>>more points. 

A greater than 80% mortgage seems like an awful lot to me.  Is this common
in rural areas?  Could this be why a lot of farmers get into financial
trouble?  (just a thought...)  Robert Enenkel
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: 60% conception
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 23:56:11 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Fact: It seems that when a group of cows is put to a bull, or are
artificially inseminated, about 60% conceive on the first mating;
about 60% of the remainder conceive on the second... and so forth.

Question: What could be the mechanism for this?

It cannot be failure of the bull to detect oestrus as it occurs in AI
too when the cows are mated when they are showing signs of receptivity.
Could it be that there is differential fertility of ovaries? If the
right ovary had 90% fertile eggs and the left had say 10% fertile
eggs, that might account for the 60% finding.

Is there any research on such a topic?

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand
From: gerland@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jim Gerland)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: What is significance of 3 crosses in W. VA, VA, * NC ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: gerland@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Organization: University at Buffalo


These may be inappropriate for this list but I couldn't find a
closer topic so feel free to delete this now.

I recently drove from Buffalo to S. Carolina and noticed numerous
occurances of 3 corsses prominently positioned along the roadside.

There was one yellow cross aout 10 feet tall with 2 white crosses
about 7 feet tall, one on each side of the yellow cross.

Does anyone know what these crosses symbolize other than the obvious
reference to Christ and the 2 thiefs.

Please feel free to reply to me and I will summarize to this news
group if there is interest.

Thanks,

Jim...
From: barrya@scout.East.Sun.COM (Barry Andreasen - Sun BOS Hardware)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Heat Pumps (ground transfer)
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:55:52 GMT
Reply-To: barrya@east.sun.com (Barry Andreasen - Sun BOS Hardware)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Billerica MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: scout.east.sun.com

I am going to be building a home in the Northeast.  The location is
rural so the conventional heating options are limited to oil and
propane.  Since both oil and propane require large fuel storage tanks,
and involve continuous reliance on fossil fuels, I am wondering what
the possibilities are for alternate energy sources.  In this area,
air-to-air heat exchangers are inefficient during the winter, but
ground water systems (either open or closed) seem to have potential.
Are there any netters that have any experience with this type of heat
that could help me get some non-sales pitch data?  I'd be interested
in hearing about: 
 how efficiently do they heat/cool the house
 are there any hidden problems with heating/cooling the domestic water
 any preferences (and why) about open vs. closed systems
 preferences/cost differences between vertical and horizontal systems
 amount of electricity required to run the pumps and exchangers
 installation cost vs. conventional system
 maintenance history
TIA.
-barry andreasen

 
From: goris@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Andy Goris)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:40:56 GMT
Subject: UV Water purifiers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.rural

Does anyone have any information or experience with the new (last few years)
Ultraviolet Water purifiers?  These are designed to kill bacteria in 
water using ultraviolet light.  We have a transient bacteria problem (not
a lot of bacteria, but they come through every now and then) with our well
that we are trying to solve, and this looks like the way to do it.  We can
purify the well with chlorine tablets, but the bacteria will come back in
several months.

These are not cheap.....about $800 for a 7 gallon/minute system, plus you
have to replace this exotic bulb ($70) every year or so.

Does anyone have any experience with these?

Andy Goris      AA0CM      goris@fc.hp.com  


From: ehill@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Eric Hill)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:08:47 GMT
Subject: Re: SUMMARY:  Acid Neutralizers
Organization: HP Roseville Site
Newsgroups: misc.rural

I have a friend with your same problem.  He has gone through the whole
exercise of injecting chemicals and other less glamorous systems.  
He has finally hit upon the best solution.  It is a system that passes
the water through a tank filled with crushed limestone.  It brought
his ph from 5.6 up to 7.0.  If you are interested I will try to get his name.

Eric
From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Antique apples
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:50:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu

one severe problem with antique apples (and sometimes crabapple polinators 
as well!) can be a lack of much fireblight resistance -- neither your county 
agent, your university fruit experts or even commercial growers in your area
are likely to have had enough experience with antiques to be much help --
if you don't have a rigorous strepto spray program (and even if you do), you
probably should view antiques strictly an an experiment ;-)

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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: sasjzs@VMS.SAS.COM (Joe Slater)
Subject: Sears Tillers
Reply-To: sasjzs@VMS.SAS.COM (Joe Slater)
Organization: Or lack thereof
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:33:42 GMT
X-Bytes: 379

Anyone know who actually makes the Sears Tiller
that brown@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Pat R. Brown) 
reported about? 

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(The above is my opinion only)
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as long as my lettuce is crisp!" - Grace Slick, 1972
From: blundin@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Bob Lundin)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 20:59:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog attack
Organization: HP Roseville Site
Newsgroups: misc.rural

"Vacuum gives doggone wild ride"  AP date unknown

A recent newspaper article from Cortez, Colorado shows James Helmer using
a vacuum to suck prarie dogs from their holes in Greenwood Village, Colo.

The article goes on to say the idea came from Gay Balfour who said "they are
not too disturbed by it.  It's quite a ride.  It is really successful, we 
got 53 dogs in 23 minutes" she said.       

An animal rights group stated that "it does seem like a fun ride.  I've
seen it in action several times and I've only seen one animal that got a
bump on the head."

Sounds too good to be true, but there is a picture in the paper.  These
names and cities may be of help in finding a solution.  I wonder if they
have a franchise???

Good luck / Bob Lundin
From: ewart@kenyon.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Buying the farm
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:19:11 GMT
Organization: Kenyon College

"Buying the farm" *can* be accomplished.  

1. You will probably need 20% OR MORE down on the property.  Bankers 
consider these properties to be somewhat less marketable in "stress" 
situations.  More down payment is necessary to reduce the bank's risk.  

2.  Banks sell most all fixed rate housing loans soon after the loan is 
closed.  These loans must meet certain standards in order to be marketable.  
One of these has to do with how much land is included with the house.   30
acres will be too much.  Look for a locally owned bank that emphasizes 
service, and offers Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARM).  These types of loans 
are mostly kept in house by the banks.

3.  If all else fails, try the "two part loan" approach.  Make the first loan 
a qualifying "house loan".  The second loan could even be on a land contract 
or privatloan basis with the seller.

Too bad you don't live in this area, our bank does a bunch of this type of
lending.  Good luck!

				Dave Ewart (Yes, I'm a banker ...)
     
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: lootene@nijmeg.ingr.com (Eduard Looten)
Subject: WANTED : ADDRESSES & PHONE/FAX-NUMBERS OF PUBLISHERS
Keywords: ADDRESSES PUBLISHERS
Organization: Intergraph Nijmegen
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:27:41 GMT

Can someone help me with getting the required information :

The addresses and phone- or faxnumbers of the following publishers :

    Publisher :      City :

1 - ATHENEUM       - NEW YORK
2 - BANTAM         - NEW YORK
3 - JONATHAN DAVID - MIDDLE VILLAGE,NY
4 - SCRIBNER       - NEW YORK
5 - SAUNDERS       - PHILADELPHIA
6 - TYPOGRAPHIC    - COLUMBUS,OHIO
7 - McGRAW-HILL    - NEW YORK
8 - MACMILLAN      - NEW YORK
9 - DOUBLE DAY     - GARDEN CITY,NY
10- J.P. TARCHER   - LOS ANGELES


Thanks for your help !

Regards...Edward Looten.

Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Carl Dichter)
Subject: WANTED: >100M Disk and QIC tape drive/con
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:04:32 GMT
Originator: usenet@nddsun1

I need a SCSI or IDE hard drive of at least 100M,
and a tape drive and controller capable of QIC-02 and
at least one higher capacity mode.

Please email quotes to me.

----------------------
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Motorola ASIC Division
email: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: cmr@handel.caltech.edu (Cristian M. Radu)
Subject: SKI BOOT --> FOR SALE
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:46:10 GMT



1991 Nordica 582 skiboots forsale..

Professed Nordica-size 8 1/2 but now a bit wider, 
because of lining flattening.  THIS is why I am selling.

---> Now they probably fit well a US size 10 1/2 - 11.
I wore them 7-8 times, they are in excellent shape! 

asking $150 or BO, bought them at $299/300 !! 

please make an offer if you are at all interested.

Cristian Radu
CMR@BACH.CHE.CALTECH.EDU

Newsgroups: misc.wanted