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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2826

                            Friday, July 24, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                                  Swelling
                                Expectations
                                  Hospitals
                              Off to Cleveland
                              Re: cruise travel
                     Cheap, accurate voice entry system
                              Re: ADA Violation
                           Text Scan/Read for VH?
               Ireland accessibility (accommodation in Dublin)
                              Re: ADA Violation


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Subject: Swelling
From: John.W..Fisher@p0.f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (John W. Fisher)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14.0 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

LC>The feet are swollen almost twice their normal size and my legs appear
LC>to be swollen also.  When I get up to go into the living room
LC>to rest and get my legs and feet up, it's very difficult to walk.
LC>It may be that I just sat too long and all the blood settled in my legs
LC>and feet?
LC>Anyone else experience this?  Remember, my problem is failed back
LC>surgeries, and chronic pain.

Linda,

        I experienced the same thing back in 86-87.  Both my feet were
        swelled up to twice there normal size, my legs were also.  I
        must say that I was on medication at the time that was doing
        this.  Since then, I have on occasional had a wee bit swelling
        in my feet but nothing major.  I don't think that your problem
        lies in the blood settling in your legs but possible from edima
        (unsure of the spelling on that one).  I notice if I'm on the
        computer or standing for a while that my legs hurt and if
        longer, then I tend to swell just a little.  If you are on
        medication, then your swelling could be caused by that otherwise
        I have no other ideas.

                                                John W. Fisher III
 * SLMR 2.0 * Weird Al Yankovic is needed for those down days.

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Subject: Expectations
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

In a message to Joe Chamberlain <16 Jul 92 09:15> Nikos Voulgaropoulos wrote:

 NV>         As far as I know there are not too many differences
 NV> between the medical/rehabilitation models. The european paras and
 NV> tetras can live as long as the abled bodied does. I think that

If the disable live as long as the abled-bodied, then why shouldn't
they have children or be allowed to adopt.  I have seen mothers
with no arms diaper their child and prepare meals.  I have see deaf
and blind individuals raise normal children and teach successfully
in our schools.

The clowns who write articles against persons with disabilities
experiencing parental responsibilities is totally out of touch with
modern thinking.  I can only assume that they are acting out of
ignorance or prejudice.

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Subject: Hospitals
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

In a message to Ed Stahl <12 Jul 92 19:01> John Rougeau wrote:

 JR> Unfortunately, I did not use the FF Plan.... I wasn't planning to
 JR> go soooo much! Sometimes my tickets were $1,000.00+ round trip!

The New England SCI Center was ranked one of the top 10 in the
country recently in a U.S.NEWS survey.  Boston is a lot closer than
Denver and may give you a new perspective.

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Subject: Off to Cleveland
From: Keith.Jones@p13.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Jones)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/15.13 - St Joes Hospital, Phoenix AZ


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

I am off to Cleveland until after Labor Day. I will take my
computer and set up as a point there. I should be doing much more
corresponding than as of late (I hope). The BBS I am a point off
here in Phoenix is hard to get through on and there are frequent
problems with it for some reason or other when it is just shut
down. In Cleveland it is very easy to get through.

                       -Keith-

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Subject: Re: cruise travel
From: Keith.Jones@p13.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Jones)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/15.13 - St Joes Hospital, Phoenix AZ


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 JC>      Two passengers on a cruise ship returning from
 JC> Jamaica were arrested in West Palm Beach for allegedly
 JC> trying to smuggle 58 pounds of marijuana in their wheelchairs.

 Yeah I heard they were sitting on the pot and there was so much sh** it
 went up their backs too. My buddy and I were talking about this. Good
 idea, just too greedy. During my drinking days, I was always able to
 get into concerts, football games, etc. with a pint or two underneath
 my seat cushion. They never look there. Even the airlines never look
 under my seat cushion. I could easily take a gun onboard.......maybe
 not now, though. Don't you just hate it when people ruin good hiding
 spots.

 Reminds me of the guy I heard of that was taking a legbag full of
 screwdrivers into games with him. Good idea as long as he didn't become
 too inebriated and forget which legbag he was drinking from. Not as
 effective the second time through I've heard (I must qualify that).

                       -Keith-

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Subject: Cheap, accurate voice entry system
From: CHLUNNEY%ECUVM1.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU (David Lunney)

I am looking for a cheap (under $1500) voice entry system that
would be accurate enough to process simple spoken commands in a
laboratory setting.  Anybody got any suggestions? Thanks.

David Lunney
Department of Chemistry and
Science Institute for the Disabled
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858 USA
CHLUNNEY@ECUVM1.BITNET
VOICE: 919-758-6453  919-757-6713
FAX: 919-757-4263




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Subject: Re: ADA Violation
From: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)

On  7/24/92 Mark Reynolds <Mark.Reynolds@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org> said:
>...
>Isn't driving a PRIVILEDGE in every state?  I didn't think anyone
>had a RIGHT to drive, without passing ALL the rules of each state.

This may have been the case 75 years ago - not today. Driving, the
highway system, and eventually the society that requires their use
to live, were allowed to "just grow" in the USA without regard for
the needs of ALL the citizens. Whining that "it's a priviledge" is
just a cop-out to government disinformation aimed at keeping segments of
the populace unaware of their rights. Most state's driving laws are
a set of country-club style rules established by TABs for the exclusive
benefit of TABs. The situation is no different in that respect
than it was when similar laws doled out voting and property rights
on the basis of race or sex.

Consider what the highway and driving license system would be like
if it were just being established today - subject to all the ADA,
Section 504 and other civil-rights legislation now on the books. It
would be made accessible to, and accomodating of, everyone that
could be accomodated.  If special equipment were necessary, that
would be no big deal, not the rip-off, jump-through-the-hoop circus
it is today. Courts are beginning to acknowledge this fact of life
in decisions restricting any state's right to arbitrarily set
standards for anything, including driving, that are based on
administrative supposition (handicapped people can't do ...
whatever) instead of facts derived from careful study and
research.  Even the system of Handi-Bus transit available in some
areas is nothing more than a reincarnation of the old "Separate but
Equal" lie under which the Black community labored for decades.
They never got anywhere by saying "Please, massuh" and neither will
we, though some of us try.

>In California, anyone who suffers a single fainting spell loses
>their license.  Is that violating their "rights" under ADA?

Of course it is! At least, it is if stated in the terms you have used.
If this really *were* true, anyone who ever had a case of SUNSTROKE
would lose their license. I think your reading of the law is seriously
flawed.


Sez me,

W. K. (Bill) Gorman




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Subject: Text Scan/Read for VH?
From: sferguso@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Steve Ferguson)
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)

Greetings All:
  This is quick information request type question for anyone
who cares to reply, email or on the forum.  I would like to
know what type of scanning/print reading systems are currently
out there which would be suitable as a print reading system for
the visually impaired.  I've seen bits and pieces of this type
of question on the forum, but have not seen any thing
conclusive.  Sources and approximate prices would also be
helpful.  This system might be used by school systems or
college special service departments.  Thanks...Steve Ferguson
Education Specialist..VDVH




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Subject: Ireland accessibility (accommodation in Dublin)
From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin)


Ireland accessibility, accessible and reasonably priced accommodation
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in Dublin:
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I went to the tourist office in Dun Laoghaire to look for an
accommodation suitable for a wheelchair user (someone visiting Ireland
soon).  I knew from my own experience of travelling in Ireland that
there are many B&B (Bed and Breakfast) accommodations which do not
advertise themselves as being accessible,  either because they do not
match the rather silly 'norms' (usually overkill, i.e. which assume
that all wheelchairs are at least 65 centimeter wide) or because their
owner never thought about it.  Another thing which I was aware of was
that some hotels actually take advantage of the accessibility issue and
provide high-tech suite but at a rip off price (e.g. Jurys with its
'accessible room' costing 150 pounds/night which is ten time the price
of a nice B&B).

Tourist Offices in Ireland are always very helpful.  The lady who
looked after me spent an hour or so calling different B&B,  asking for
details (such as door widths;  by the way be ready to know the
conversions between inches and centimeters,  I know the usual
wheelchairs widths in centimeters,  they use only inches over here)...

This looked like a difficult challenge indeed.  At the end she called
University College Dublin (UCD).  Universities often use student
accommodations as B&B (*) during the summer.  Student accommodations can
be quite nice.  The accommodations of UCD for instance are small self
catering apartments (i.e. with bathroom and kitchen) shared by three
single rooms.  The 'UCD Village' is made of brand new buildings,  and
some of these apartments are specifically designed to accommodate
disabled persons,  and rented at the same price as other rooms that is
16 pounds/night/person.  I know UCD well (I spend a couple of years
there as a student),  and I know them for being keen on accommodation
disabled students.  As on-campus accommodation,  you also beneficiate
from all the facilities you could expect from a campus i.e.  numerous
parking places, restaurants, travel agents, a pub (of course), the best
sport facilities in town,  laundrette (and may be even Internet
connection if you are nice :-)  It seems that University College Galway
(UCG) provides similar accommodation (but I have not checked yet).

  (*) actually this is not really B&B in this cases the breakfast
      is not included

I thought this information would be worth sharing.

UCD Village,  Belfield,  Dublin 4, tel: (+353-1) 269 76 96

(Belfield is actually a 4 miles south of City centre; it is a nice
'landscaped' campus;  do not mistake it for TCD!).

open June 21st to September 21st

accommodation type:           |  per night       |  per week
------------------------------+------------------+-------------------
Apartment (up to 3 people)    |  45 Irish pounds |  270 Irish pounds
Individual (sharing apartment)|  15 Irish pounds |  90 Irish pounds

  (that's from their documentation;  apparently prices went up a bit e.g.
   16 pounds instead of 15 for individual; prices include electricity, bed
   linen, use of kitchen facilities and taxes).

they accept Access and Visa cards.

There is also a useful (and free)  "Guide for Disabled Persons" for
Dublin published by the National Rehabilitation Board, 25 Clyde Road,
Dublin 4, Ireland.


//Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, fax: (+353-1)772204, e-mail: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie
//Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, (+353-1)7021539 ..
//Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland- ASK-18




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Subject: Re: ADA Violation
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA

In <23265@handicap.news> Mark.Reynolds@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org
(Mark Reynolds) writes:

>Isn't driving a PRIVILEDGE in every state?  I didn't think anyone
>had a RIGHT to drive, without passing ALL the rules of each state.

She has, and they've moved the bar higher because of her disability,
for what look to this reasonable man like arbitrary and capricious
reasons that have nothing to do with safe operation of a motor
vehicle.  If all drivers from out-of-state had to take a driving test,
the requirement would be fair, but applying it selectively is not.

>In California, anyone who suffers a single fainting spell loses
>their license.  Is that violating their "rights" under ADA?

This is clearly related to driving safety, but I would consider it
unfair if medical assurance that the problem would not occur again
were not sufficient to regain the license.

Rob T
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Heaven knows / No frontiers
And I've seen heaven in your eyes			- Jimmy McCarthy




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