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From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Re: Misc
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:26:22 GMT

In <13438@ecs.soton.ac.uk> dl91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (D Lewis) writes:

>O.k. Lets rock.

Zounds, how undignified!  Let's pavane, shall we?

>1) Mara Jade was actually one of the Emperors top assassins. 

Won't Zahn be surprised?  He said she was more of a `trouble' shooter -
one who took on a variety of jobs, including simply representing his
interests.

She had a
>training in the Force from his-nibs and is after Luke more for
>vengeance for the Emperors death than for her own reasons.

Sha has said as much.

>2) I'm taking bets on whether Mara and Luke get 'down to it' in the
>next book i.e. Star Wars IX (Sequel to Dark Force Rising)

If you mean `get down to fighting each other, as the Emperor's training
and his Last Command come back to haunt Mara' you are probably right.  If
you're referring to romance, I think not.  I hope not.  And it's not Star
Wars IX.  It's one of a series of books between Star Wars VI and Star Wars
VII - as has been remarked on various times, in various fora.

It's tentative title is _The Last Command_, according to one of the Zahn
interviews at the archive.  Hence my theory on Mara.  

Now, if you hang ysalamiri until they dry out, and slice them thinly, are
they good on bread? 	

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:41:58 -0500 
From: Christopher Esko <ce24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs, vs the evilness in nazism
 <BxC93n.J47@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Nov7.121607.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
	<92315.040427JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article<92315.040427JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu> 
Jim Durrell  <JXD132 @ PSUVM.PSU.EDU> writes
>Speaking of the biblical stuff... I remember my father telling me how
>Star Wars was a Christ allegory... with Ben Kenobi being the sacraficial
>figure for the young Luke and the rest of the galaxy.

The reason Star Wars seems like a Christ allegory is because Lucas was
influenced by the writings of the lateJoseph Campbell, a renowned expert
on the myths and legends of many cultures.  In his book, Hero with a
Thousand Faces, Campbell presents the idea that all hero myths,
regardless of the culture they come from, have common themes.  When
Lucas wrote Star Wars, he followed had Luke follow the hero's path
Campbell had talked about in his book.  Lucas wanted Star Wars to be
sort of a myth for modern times.  
	Star Wars isn't just  a story about WWII, its a myth about the more
esoteric battle of good vs. evil.  The empire doesn't just represent the
Nazis or the Japanese during WWII, it represents every totalitarian
authority that has ever oppressed its people. The rebels don't just
represent WWII resistance, they represent any people who fought back
against tyranny. In the end, the human side of Vader triumphs against
the mechanical evil side, just as the disorganized, outnumbered rebels
triumph over the overpowering, uncaring mechanical empire. The essential
message is "Turn off the computer. Trust your feelings."
	Read Joseph Campbell's The Power of Myth to find out more about the
Star Wars/ Mythology connection.

						-Chris Esko

						<ce24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:21:12 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov5.235340.25615@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>
>Question: do we ever see the what the passengers see on the window while in
>hyperspace? (not while jumping, but while on "stright" flight). Do we see
>stars? planets? other objects?
>
Look at Star Wars again just before the Falcon exits hyperspace in the 
Alderaan system.. you can see what appears to be negative images of the
asteroid field (the remains of Alderaan).

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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.235652.6322@gw.wmich.edu>, 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 	I think you're smokin' crack.  First of all, the "dino" you guys
> are talking about is an imperial Patrol Dewback.  Stormtroopers ride them.
> Not everyone in the Empire is stoopid, else they'd not have control of the 
> galaxy.
> 	Next, the Rancor is bipedal.  The Dewback is a quadroped.  And the
> skeleton belongs to a Krayt Dragon (read the novelization or the SW
> sourcebooks), which appears to have no legs at all.  Same species?  I
> THINK NOT!
> 	And finally, there ARE NO DINOSAURS IN STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Big lizards, snakes, monsters, and even AT-ATs, yes... but no dinos.
> 
> 		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy
     
     There is nothing I dislike more than trivia nuts who have completely
memorized the novelizations/RPG manuals and who lord it over the rest of us
how our made up names are somehow incorrect. Here is the full story.

     In my books, if a lizard is huge and cute, like little Dewey on Tatooine,
then he is a dino. And while we are at it, let no one deceive you otherwise:
the bones of the large creature in the Tatooine desert are of Frank Herbert's
Dune Sand Worms (do NOT look up the  novelizations/RPG descrptions of this,
because I am right on this one).

     The whole context of the original thread is that there is a CLOSE up of
Dewey and the stormtrooper SOMEWHERE (as some have tried to point out). Some
people KNOW what the REAL debate is about! A fan e-mailed me about another
"missing scene": in the cantina, one of the creatures poured a jug of suds
into the open skull of another aliens. I remotely remember that one.
Now before all you trivia hacks attempt to lord it over me how I didn't
mention WHAT RACE EACH OF THE CREATURES COME FROM (via RPG/Novelizations)
first attempt to remember if this is correct.

     A LOT of directors/companies pull stuff out of the movies before they hit
the video cassette market, and 20th Century Fox is no stranger to this. Look
how they cut up one of my favourite Arnold movies, Predator, for home video.

     Remember, the real debate is about scenes that may have been taken out
of Star Wars (NOOOOO, not the Biggs scene either).

     And may the Force  be with you always.

-- 

Darth Vader (John P. LaRocque)
vader@uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: CHALLENGING QUESTIONS
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:28:33 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <29OCT199221325675@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, hdw@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (H D WALDEN) writes:
>  Here's a few questions for all you self-proclaimed "hard-core" Star Wars fans 
> out there: 1) In TESB, how are the Imperial ships allowed to land on Hoth when    
> there is an energy field protecting it( "...strong enough to deflect any pena-
> tration."-or words to that effect)? 2) How are the characters in all of the mov-
> ies enable to walk around on starships in an environment where there seemingly
> IS gravity, while everyone knows ther isn't gravity in space--is there some kind
> of anti-gravity device that each ship is equipped with that we don't know about?
> 3) (This may be way out in left field, but...) I find it difficult to believe
> that "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." the people of Tatoonine
> ( and many other places) spoke perfect English--still more unbelievable(sp?),
> I think, is that there would be phrases like "...then I'll see you in hell!" as
> spoken by Han in TESB when he goes looking for Luke in the snow. The chances 
> that the same language would evolve here on Earth are next to impossible. 
>  Anyone wish to comment?
> 
> 
>                                 -"There will be no one to stop us this time!"
> 
> 
> 
> 

	The first two have been covered to death.  As to the third, it's very
simple.  You're being to literal.  If you must, you can assume it's
"translated", but otherwise, just let it go, it's a sci fi movie, not a
National Geographic Documentary.  :)
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From: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: New movies
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:21:16 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu


Not to scare anyone but, I heard that about a month ago Lucas had a squabble
with the writers of the first Star wars movies (at least the ones he was going
to have write the next movies) and they couldn't reach an agreement so he 
declared the movies off...essentially.  Anyone know anything about this??

Jeff = yyrkoon
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:58:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <BxBHnp.6vE@nic.umass.edu> HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN) writes:

>C-3PO, "Who is she? She's beautiful." C-3PO then responds( more or less), "I'm
>afraid I'm not quite sure--a person of some importances I believe, sir." What
>gives?!? C-3PO obviously DOES know who Leia is, for in one of the first lines
> of the movie he says, "There'll be no escape for the PRINCESS this time."

	Okay...  How 'bout Captain Antilles was the last master of C-3PO & R2,
3PO knew they were transporting the Princess, but had never seen her before and
didn't recognize her by sight (probably a bit of an oversight in programming
for a protocol droid, but the Alliance wasn't extremely organized at the time).

						-Jay
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: "My Jedi Journal"
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:15:09 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov6.025247.17482@cs.uwp.edu> itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser) writes:
>Hey, just to note, I like all the comments.  My search leads me outside
>the movie script, however.  While looking through an art book of book
>covers I saw a book entitled "My Jedi Journal" written, apparently, by
>Yoda.  The book was released in 1982(?) by Balantine(?).  I can not track
>the book down anywhere.  I'm assuming it's not being printed any longer,
>but if anyone can help me find the book I'd be very greatful.
>
I saw a copy of this recently at a store called "Remember When".  They may
still have it.


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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Stormtroopers
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:51:05 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <92303.103002SAG114@psuvm.psu.edu> SAG114@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>      First, what's the purpose of the armor?

It's a uniform.  It is supposed to protect against enemy fire, and probably
against hostile environments such as cold, heat or gas.  At least, that's
what the stormtroopers are all told.  In practise, the Empire being what it
is, the armour is probably supplied by a corrupt firm who makes more money
by supplying shoddy goods.

>      Second, where did they learn to shoot?  I mean, these guys couldn't hit a
>bantha's but from ten feet.

On the other hand, they can hit a Rebel trooper, as they showed in Princess
Leia's ship in ANH.

> Remember, these were supposed to be "a legion of my best troops " (Emperor).

The Emperor, a man well known for his honesty and integrity, who never lied
to anyone, especially Luke.  <Snigger.> :-)

-- 
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From: japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lightsabre, etc
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:00:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mskeen@willamette.edu (Michael A. Skeen) writes:

>Actually, instead of automatically turning off when you let go of it, a
>jedi can regulate whether or not the the lightsabre turns off
>automatically. If you remember in ROTJ, Vader threw his lightsabre to cut
>the catwalk Luke was standing on. Although it could be argued that Vader
>used the force to keep his sabre on.

Yes, but one must understand, Vader was not just a Jedi. He had long achieved
what would be considered the rank of Master. (Although, he did sorta become
slightly evil and all that, but can you really hold it against the man??). 
Masters can use the Force to do just about anything them damn well please.
							RJ
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: survivors of the attack on the Death Star
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:11:29 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct26.133805.28397@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
> In article <dgoldman.720058716@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> dgoldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Robert Goldman) writes:
>>Didn't some time pass between ESB and RotJ?  At least a year, if I remember
>>correctly.  Long enough for more battles and skirmishes which Han could have
>>been instrumental in planning and/or winning.  Although one would still
> 
> 	I doubt he planned too many battles for the Rebellion between
> Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.  It's kind of hard to do when
> you are encased in a block of carbonite! :)

	Ok, so far the main feasable reasons for Solo's General rank are as
follows:

	1:Service before being commissioned
	2:To provide him suitable command rank for his journey to Endor
	3:For service not seen on film (between ESB and SW something must have
happened.
	But these don't add up in my mind.  If you ask me, I think I have a
theory that combined with those others produces a respectable case.  Remember
that teh Rebellion was a fairly loose knit band of half trained soldiers.  Most
were like Luke in the original, partially trained farm boys living out a dream.
One way to make moralle better is to give them heroes as their leaders.  Let's
face it, everyone looks up to heroes, and Solo was a hero.  The problem with
this is why didn't Luke also get the General rank, since it is arguable that he 
had an even bigger impact on the Rebellion's success.  I figure it's because
Luke had all that time away for his Jedi training.  Also, he wasn't available
when they were making their plans to go after Endor.  Had Luke been present,
they would probably have asked him to lead it, but he was on Dagobah.  Weak,
but I think it's as strong an arguement as I've seen thusfar.

	If this shows up messed up, I won't be surprised, my machine is doing
wierd things.
From: s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The game and an address request.
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:04:22 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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plebeau@cix.compulink.co.uk (Paul Lebeau) writes:

>Hi folks,

>Can anyone tell me the full name of the new LucasArts
>X-wing game?  I have just seen it mentioned as
>'the X-wing simulator'.  Is that its proper name?
	It's "X-Wing"  That is, nothing more, nuthin' less.

>I have downloaded the screenshots from the Archive, but
>that seems to give no clue.

>(BTW Scott - I found when I downloaded the screenshot
>archive it was corrupted.  I had to ZipFix it.  Is it
>just me?  Sorry if you already know this.)
	I hadn't had any probs with it... d/ling or unzipping

>Also, can anyone tell me what the address of LucasArts is?
>More specifically, I'm after their computer games division.



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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: The ? Empire
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:32:12 GMT

pklinker@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:
>I have a question about the Empire.  What is the name of the Empire?  As
>far as I know empires have names e.g. the Roman Empire and the British
>Empire.  Would the empire be name after the capitol planet or is it the
>Palpatine Empire?  Anyone, anyone?

  "The Galactic Empire" (appears at the start of ANH) and "The New Order"
are the two names I have heard used.

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: OMmark hamill's accident
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:28:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, ch134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michelle Guydosh) says:

>
>I was flipping through the TV guide a few months ago and saw that someone asked
>for more info on mark hamill. One of the things said was that he had a accident
>that altered his apperance.  Can anyone give more details on this.

Someone (sorry, don't remember who) has posted info from Skywalking
that says it happened during the end of filming for ANH.  Hamill himself
one talked humorously about it, on Merv Griffin, I think.  (Obviously
it was a while ago ...)

He said that he was tooling down the freeway late at night, in his
brand new BMW, enjoying the sound system.  He had it turned way up,
when he noticed that he was about to miss his exit, so he turned
sharply to try and catch it.  Unfortunately, he was doing about 80mph
at the time, and the car flipped over.  He broke his nose.  That's it,
according to him in that interview.  He went to the emergency room, and
I guess later on they did reconstructive surgery, but he was quite amused 
at the stories that came out saying that he was brought into the ER as
a John Doe, near death.  In these stories, a nurse recognized him and
called Lucas, who came down to the hospital and identified him.

ACCORDING TO MARK HAMILL, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO TRUTH TO THIS STORY.
He simply flipped his car and broke his nose.

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                   It's not my fault, I had pneumonia.
From: kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu (Sean Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:16:50 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu writes:

>Doesn't Threepio say to Luke and Han in the Death Star comm. room:

>"The princess is here"?
>Wouldn't that imply he knew her name, rather than just a random Princess?

>Been WAY TOO LONG since I've seen the Trilogy... WAY TOO LONG  :(
>---
>                     Mike Weintraub  mweintr@american.edu
>                   The American University -- Kenobi on IRC
>            "Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
>                         --Rush,  "Grand Designs"


	It is Luke who says, "The princess is here?".  However, at the very
beginning Threepio talks like he knows all about her.  He says something
like "There will be no escape for the princess this time."


			--Sean Kennedy
			  kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu
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From: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA)
Subject: Re: SW Halloween Costumes
Originator: albusacc@c00459-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:56:27 GMT


I also dressed up as Darth Vader.  Everyone at the party got a kick out
of seeing a short(5'5''),female DV.  What did you use for his chest plate?
I took a piece of cardboard, painted it black, then detailed it.


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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs GALACTICA vs STAR TREK
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: stdeprie@c00521-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu


>CONCLUSION

>     Long Live Flash Gordon, Star Wars, Galactica, Buck Rogers, V, 
>Alien Nation, Quantum Leap et al. Unpretentious entertainment for real 
>people. Long Live the Twilight Zone and Outer Limits, real thinking person's
>science fiction. Star Trek ... great FX and/or soap opera.. but SF never.
>
>     Every time you buy a Star Drekk Pocket Book from Gene's professional 
>hacks, you are taking away valuable time from reading real SF. Save your
>money. Only the books from the 1970's (from Blish and others) are worth your 
>time.  ^^^^                                                   ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^
>^^^^
>
>John P. LaRocque
>J.LaRocque@uwo.ca
>
>
2+2=5
War is Peace, Peace is War
freedom is Slavery, Slavery is Freedom
Big Brother is your friend......

I'll make my own conclusions about SF and what I choose to watch.
I like Star Trek, I like Star Wars.....they are different stories with
different people and set in different places.  Each presents their own story
in their own way.  Therefore IMHO I feel comparisons between the two are
not worth the time as they are different.

These are my opinions and I ask that you merely respect them. You do NOT
have to agree with or even like them, just respect them.  Thank you. 
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