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From: arndt_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: "Children Will Listen"
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:14:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <0fN9vDO00iUxI_SMY3@andrew.cmu.edu>, tt27+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Nicholas Tarantino) writes:
> stefan sittig writes:
>>the show have seized to grasp.  INTO THE WOODS is not really about
> "fairy-tales
>>gone bad" but about the breaking of fantasy by reality as a child. 
> Children ha
> 
> personally i feel, and the conclusion i came to while doing the show,
> that it is more about growing up and adapting to the new burdens that
> society places on a person (sondheim's major theme) all the characters
> have some sort of mixed up childhood and are tossed into this world
> ill-equipted for survival etc. 
> as an example: the baker had a messed up childhood, his mother died, his
> father ran away, when he was say twelve or so. somehow he goes out and
> meets his wife whom he regards as a mother figure, when she goes he is
> lost. he goes into his memory and deals with his dead father ( i think
> the entire "no more" scene is a dream sequence) taking the message from
> the past and using it in the present. and helps out jack whom he feels a
> special connection too, (jack's father ran away and his mother dies) he
> sees jack as what he was and realizes that without a family environment
> jack will have a hard time surviving. 
> many of the other characters have the same types of familial problems. 
> 
> that's my humble opinion, it all testifies to the genius of sondheim and
> lapine that so much can be made from his show.
> 
When I saw the show (not long after it opened, and before I had heard the
recording) I walked out of the theatre thinking it was about AIDS.  There's
a big dark giant looming over us, and our friends are dying, even ones
who were not "responsible" for provoking the giant.  I remember especially 
when they needed to sacrifice someone, and pulled in the narrator.  A big
dose of "reality."  And then there's the "you are not alone" theme.

I talked to someone else about that time and they saw the whole thing as
a warning against nuclear weapons.

Now, a few years later, I think it's about Fairy Tales.

BTW, I ADORE Bernadette Peters -- saw her in DAMES AT SEA before she was
a big star -- but Cleo Laine did the role in the touring company that I saw
in Denver, you almost had the feeling that the part had been written for
her.  She's a more appropriate age, and the rich smoky quality of her singing
really heightened the effect, particularly the songs towards the end.

	Bill
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From: chu@acsu.buffalo.edu (John C. Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: Sondheim: Merrily We Roll Along
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:04:12 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <lairdb.727729129@crash.cts.com> lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield) writes:
>Wait a minute; as I recall the LaJolla production, there was an opening
>rooftop scene to set up the characters, and the title song (and slide
>show) was sung just long enough for the wagon change to the Frank's
>House set (then dialog, dialog, That Frank.)  The title song was used
>along with the slides in this way for most scene changes.  Has this 
>been changed around again?

What I'm describing is what happened at the Arena Stage production
(which happened after LaJolla):

As for what was changed around, yes and no.

Yes, they sang the title song (after the rooftop scene) and I'm fairly
sure it was the whole thing (or at least it seemed that long, the
choreography wasn't the greatest) and I'm fairly sure it segued into
That Frank.

The title song (and slide show) was also used for scene changes
(called "transitions" in the score) like they did in the original
production except that Sondheim added more year references to the
transitions. Whether this happened at LaJolla or Arena or somewhere
else is beyond me. Anyways, I think this might be all moot because
apparently, it's going to change again. Tom??

					john
				chu@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: Answer to Into the Woods Trivia
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:00:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.120040.10224@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:

>	Well, I guess there were no takers on my Into the Woods
>trivia question: WHEN does it take place?

>The answer: the 1700's.

>Proof:  The show cannot take place later, since it is
>obviously a pre-industrial revolution setting.  

This latter point is not obvious to me.  Please give your proof.  Plenty
of places did not show immediate visible results of the industial
revolution -- it wasn't a worldwide instantaneous sweep.

Also, I have read that the original designers chose the early 19th
century for their costuming, as the one that best fit the look they
wanted.  (With one conscious anachronism, Bernadette Peters's Belle
Epoque white gown right after her transformation; none of the other
witches who followed her used this gown.)

>Also, the Grimm
>brothers assembled their fairy tales in the first decade of the
>19th century.

So what?  They aren't characters in the story.  We're talking about when
the stories "really" happened.  :-)

>You also have to wonder why
>Europeans are referring to maize as corn

No I don't.  The words we hear are translations into our usage, from
whatever language the characters were "really" speaking.

So I say, shortly after 1800, because the princes are wearing trousers,
not breeches.

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Subject: Re: Top 10
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:46:16 GMT

I like this thread, so of course, I have to add my top ten.  

1. Opening night of THE CRADLE WILL ROCK. Anyone who's read the account of
this crazy evening will agree. Those who haven't should find it and read it.

2. Opening of Oklahoma. Every musical-lover will agree that this was an
historic event, a watershed in musical history.

3. A RSC production starring Patrick Stewart. Any one. I'm a Trekkie.

4. The original London production of JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR.

5. HAIR, in the hey-day of flower power.

6. A Ziegfield Follies show in its glory days.

7. The Lunts in THE VISIT. Someone else mentioned this show, I have to
agree.

8. The original production of MY FAIR LADY. To see Julie in her prime.

9. The Richard Burton/John Gielgud HAMLET. 

10. The 1992 production of SHADOWLANDS at Seattle's ACT theatre. If I could
only see one production again in my life, this would be it. No stars, no
historical significance, no fancy setting. Just a wonderful script, a
talented cast, a moving production, and an unforgettable experience. Nice to
have seen one of my top ten!

And, if we go back just a little before 1900, I'd love to be there at
Lincoln's assassination, simply to have witnessed such an historic event.

-Brian Harper
From: hefferman@ccs1.bbn.com (Matt Hefferman)
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Subject: Re: Who is she and who is he?
Keywords: he and she
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:03:15 GMT
Reply-To: hefferman@ccs1.bbn.com
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simon@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Joseph Simon) writes:
>My second request is for a female.  She has done one movie that I  know of
>called "Better off Dead"  She did have a minor recurring role in "Cagney and
>Lacey."  She played Cagney's niece who lived out in Los Angeles.  She is
>about 5'6 to 5'8, blond hair, blue eyes, and a great smile.  :)

I believe this would be Amanda Wyss, known forever to me as "the retarded
Esprit girl" for her appearance on a couple of episodes of "St. Elsewhere"
as a retarded girl who was impregnated by a fellow St. Eligius patient. She
struck me as looking like she had come straight from the pages of the Esprit
catalogue. She also showed up on a few episodes of "Cheers" as Woody's
Indiana girlfriend.

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From: aa811@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terri M. Librande)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Stingray:the series
Date: 23 Jan 1993 13:09:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Actually, they never ever said who employed Ray.  The clues were in
an unaired script I once had.  In the ep "Abnormal Psyche" his licenes
plates were checked and he was traced down to someone with the governers
office in Ca.  Another time, they went straight to the White House motor
pool.  Ray has a friend high in the gov't escalon--in the episode "Less
Than the Eye Can See", he was there, helping him find the man who had
infected this town with a mutated form of smallpox.  He said he'd lost
Ray, I think, 7 years ago, and had been trying to find him ever since.
He had worked in the CIA or something, and just left.  Disappeared.

Plenty of things to wonder about this character.  Stephen Cannell is
still not talking, and Mancuso just gives this mysterious look and makes
you wonder.  I wonder how much of his background was ever plotted.

The unaired script was something, though.  Ray gets a FAX from a client--
meet me.  He drives to this deserted town, goes in a bar where he hears
some sounds; it's empty.  Goes back to street--no car.  Gone.  After
plenty of chaos breaks out--namely a lot of unseen guns firing like mad
at him, and things blowing up, he gets away, gets a ride from a trucker,
and eventually is drugged and sent back to said town.  He logics the
computer that's running the place--and then his car is there and he goes 
home.  (I'm making this very simplistic.)  Goes home.  Fax machine goes 
nuts.  PRints out something like this:  
Reasoning Ability: 100%
Emotional:98%
Logic: 100%
ect.

Then:
You have qualified for service for another year.  Good luck.

Was never filmed, probably becuase it was a touch silly.  Lawrence Hertzog--
the man working on Raven now, is the one who wrote it.  Maybe he knows more.


Terri in Cleveland
-- 
"Unscrupulous--but effective!"  Al in "Starcrossed"
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Sting Ray:the other series (was Re: Stingray:the series)
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:54:58 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

I remember a completely different series called Sting Ray, from when
I was a child (late 60s).  All the characters were actually puppets
(marionettes, I believe).  It concerned a kind of military base at the 
shore, and the main characters were the pilot and co-pilot of a submarine
called the Sting Ray.  To get into the sub, they had to slide down a kind
of fireman's pole.  There was also a character who was sort of a mermaid.

Does anyone else remember this?  It was my favorite show when I was in
first grade.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim McDonough)
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Subject: Re: Stuttering Madonna
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:09:42 -0800
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In article <Nimtz.1-220193104425@nimtziici.edmedia.nd.edu> Nimtz.1@nd.edu (Rick Nimtz) writes:
>In article <1jmjufINN6l6@hpsdl210.sdd.hp.com>, tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim
>McDonough) wrote:
>> 
>> I do recall Dana Carvey say "WRONG!" after asking someone else in the
>> MacLaucklin Group how they start the show!!
>> 
>I thought the WRONG! was part of the bit and was planned.

If the WRONG! was part of the bit, then someone forgot to tell the band, as
I distinctively remember them playing at least the first few notes of the theme
music and then stopping for the skit to continue.  At any rate I thought it was
a great twist on things!

                                -Tim
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From: v091kmyk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin Fredette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: DENNIS LEARY on HBO??
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C1KICL.KIE@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v091kmyk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin Fredette) writes...
>In article <1k8iiuINN4om@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM writes...
>>does anyone know if dennis leary (that angry funny irish guy on MTV)
>>ever been or will be on HBO,SHOWTIME....etc.
>> 
>>i seem to remember hearing that somewhere a few week ago.
>> 
>>does anybody know if he has a album??
>> 
>>isn't dennis a riot!!
>> 
>>later
>> 
>Denis (it's spelled with one s) Leary recently released an album
>of his original Broadway one-man show, entitled "No Cure For Cancer"            He has also taped a reprise of the show, to appear on Showtime in
>the near future, although I'm not sure when, exactly.  Anybody
>know when this is going to air?
Obviously, I meant that it's spelled with one "n" not one "s".
By the way, there's supposed to be a book version of "No Cure
for Cancer" out also, although I haven't seen it anywhere...
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>> ///   all the world will be your enemy                \\\  ++ JOHN P. ONEIL
>>( 00   and when they catch you, they will kill you 00 ) ++ SUN EXPRESS IR
>>|\_|   but first they must catch you....                    |_/| ++ METHUEN,MA.
>>_________________________________________________________________________
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Married With Children
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:48:39 GMT
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars


 >Just saw the latest MWC episode and thought it was truly awful, 
 >pure wretchedness.  

I didn't think it was the best, but still not *nearly* that bad.

 >It gets an F minus grade.  
It still had funny stuff, so that makes it better than most other shows.

 >Why, Herman's Head was even better (nothing to be proud of).
H.H. is a pretty good show.  The episode before last was a MASTERPIECE.

 >Why, I could probably sit through A Different World 
Ugh.  Don't make me PUKE!!  If you could say that, then you ain't no fan! :->

 >or Quantum Leap compared to last night's show.
Q.L. is a decent show, although nothing like MWC.

 >Here is how the grading went:  Al starts out with a fishing outfit on and
 >Buck gets a comment in (A-/B+ at this point - it actually had potential). 
Sure.

 >Marcy shows up whining and agreeing to go with Al and Peggy on vacation
 >together (C+ at this point).  
Nope.  That was still funny enough.

 >Bud and Kelly wake up and attempt to "catch" up to them (B, this was O.K.).

That stuff was GREAT!  "curse you", etc. is definite "A" material.

 >"Seven" enters the seen (D - I'm being optimistic here).  
 >Seven utters a few words (F+).  

Can't argue with that...  Although throwing the blanket over 
him was a thing of beauty.  :-)

 >Marcy and Peg grovel over Al's attention and try to win his best 
 >side (F minus).  
Nope.  That was pretty funny.

 >The sight of Marcy, Peggy, and Al in the same bed, yeechh.
It was OK, and Al's "I'm blind, i'm blind" was more "A" material.

But, the "Benny Hill" sequence was pretty lame.  Not "F" though.

 >In the history of MWC, this ranks the very bottom.  

Nope, Seven's "birthday" episode probably ranks down there for me.
This was an OK episode... which still makes it better than the 
VAST majority of other shows on the air.

 >The next 8 or 10 worst shows are also from this season.

No way...  I probably couldn't even come up with that many
"worse" episodes out of the whole 144 produced.

 > It's a sad, sad, sight to see this show go down the toilet.

They took a step in with "seven", but fortunately he has been around
less and less lately and things have been pretty good.  It is still
one of the funniest shows on the air.

 >There is nothing to watch on Sunday's anymore (sans 60 minutes).

Wrong, in addition to MWC, there is now also SHAKY GROUND with Matt Frewer.
It certainly is not as good as Married With Children, but it's not bad.
From: parvin1@husc11.harvard.edu (Douglas Parvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Brady Bunch Trivia # 3 (locked in the x...)
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:23:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.parvin1.727766638

HOGAN FAMILY: Mark gets stuck in the chimney, and the press and firemen are
called to rescue a "child"...
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From: larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: *That LateNite Opener*..??
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:56:41 GMT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

Can anyone tell me what it says in Japanese on that kite in the 
opening of every David Letterman show? 
   It goes by too fast for me. Thanks!
(Please EMAIL a reponse)
:::::Larry:::::

:::::larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us::::: // :::::Larry Greenfield:::::
::::::::Just your average modeming Classical Violinist:::::::::
:::::::::::Using a 6809-based Tandy Color Computer 3:::::::::::
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From: danny@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Danny William McCampbell)
Subject: Name the Dog on Petticoat Junction!
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:36:15 GMT

Please somebody tell me the name of the dog on Petticoat Junction!
I am desperate.


--
Danny McCampbell
UT Computing Center
danny@utkux1.utk.edu
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Is QL science fiction? (was Re: QL: Highlights of Don's talk)
Date: 29 Jan 93 00:13:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I've been watching this conversation with great interest, and some interesting
points have been made on both sides.  Now I'd like to chime in:

Sally:  Vampires ARE science fiction, at least according to my professor of
Science Fiction & Social Realism class that I took last summer.  Though we
never got around to discussing Dracula as he had planned, Dracula (and other
vampire stories) contain many of the same traditional qualities that categorize
science fiction as a literary genre.  Basically, science fiction is anything
that concerns a) technology which is not possible at the time of publication or
b) events, etc., which defy the known laws of the universe.  Vampires fit into
the latter category.

Of course, my professor also said that Quantum Leap was NOT science fiction
because it only used time travel as a vehicle for its stories, stories which
were in no way related to science fiction.  The main focus of QL is *not* time
travel.  I both agree and disagree with him on this, agreeing because 90% of
the stories do not involve science fiction of any kind.  However, I disagree
because the element of time travel is still there, and science fiction has
been used as either a main secondary plot line for several episodes.  I guess
you could say then that QL falls into an ambiguous category.

mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein) writes:

>In all seriousness, I would like to pose a question to the net. Begging
>the question of whether or not QL is SF, did anyone else out there
>besides me start watching it because you consider it SF, or did you just
>not take that into consideration? I'd really like to know, because no
>matter what the producer may think, the category a show, book, or movie
>may fall into sometimes does boil down to the fans who enjoy it.

I'll be honest.  When QL premiered when I was in high school, I was mostly
interested in the fact that it was time travel, thus science fiction.  (Not
to mention I'm a sucker for a man with amnesia. :-)  Personally, I have no
qualms with Quantum Leap being listed as science fiction.  The fact that it
does not focus entirely on it's science fiction aspects doesn't mean it's not
sci-fi.  After all, many Star Trek episodes could say the same exact thing if
they were set on 20th century earth rather than 23rd or 24th century space.
Being considered sci-fi will draw some people to it and scare others away, but
with Quantum Leap's format, there really is no way to prevent that.  Just ask
Don, who said in TV Guide a while back that the name's scientific connotation
scares people away, they've done studies.

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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Question from Civil Wars
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:37:39 GMT

I've missed a few episodes--why did Denise and her husband separate?
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From: krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24228-knights)
Subject: Re: QL: How Old Are They?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:46:56 GMT

> Does anyone know how old Sam is supposed to be?
> 
> My calculations are as follows:
> 
> 
>         Sam is 16    (Per Leap Home episode) in 1969
> 					       -  16
>                                                 ----
>         Sam was born in                         1953
> 
>         Present time (Per Leap Back episode)    1999
>         Birth Year                            - 1953
>                                                 ----
> 						  47 years old
> 
> 
> I don't know about you - but he doesn't look 47 to me!
> 
> Does anyone know how old AL is supposed to be?  I didn't dig up any numbers
> 
> Leslie
> ------

Here are my Al calculations:


A Leap for Lisa - stated Al was 23.  1957 - 23 = 1934.
Therefore, ergo:                     1999 - 1934 = 65

Again, he doesn't look it.  Maybe they take a lot of good vitamins?  :-)


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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: North of 60 (CBC)
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:22:42 GMT

I have been, forthe last month enjoying the new CBC show, *North of 60*
thursday nights, 9:00.

The premise is a late 30's, burntout undercover RCMP officer who requests 
a transfer from Vancouver to a northern posting to allow his family to leave 
the big city, at his wife's request.

It sounds a bit like Northern Exposure, but it isn't. while NX is a "majik 
place" with backwoods people who quote Nietzsche, and a show that uses a lot
of comedy, Nof60 is a drama, sure with a bit of humour, but a drama.

The show presents Indians, and the effects of white society and government 
on them in a good light, they aren't all drunks, they are struggling to
maintain culture and family.

recommended.
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