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From: ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Neal Pitts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: New INIT Idea
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:45:48 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu Nov 12 92 at 09:39:11 (EST)


I believe I'm finally going to offer my thoughts on this subject.

I believe the idea of a "system manager" that watches for illegal calls is
difficult and could probably be done with only limited success, but when
combined with a DATABASE of known incompatabilities between programs and INITs
and what not, the "system manager" becomes much more effective.  The problem
with this idea is such a database would be quite big and possible hard to
maintain, and such a thing would not be so great as an INIT.  I would suggest
then a INIT/App combo - the INIT could keep track of bad calls, the app or
extension that made them, and have the "system manager" app take a look at the
results and see if there is a detailed (or even fuzzy) record of the problem
or maybe the INIT could make sense of the problem right away.  The INIT could
have forknowledge of what a simple and compatabile setup is and be able to
suggest some things; the app could let you enter error strings and check it
against a database record.  The app could also preanalyze the system for
potential conflicts in programs and extensions and system software.   If the
INIT could record the problems but the program couldn't be brought up on the
users machine, the program could be run elsewhere to make a diagnoses.  The
INIT could also potentially have another way to save data on some medium in
case the entire system couldn't get booted.  All this would need to be
supplemented by good documentation explaining potential problems and such.

The Macs have two published programs which act as datatbases for potential
conflict (one of them is called Help! and I can't remember the other).  It
does this through preanalysis and record checking.  It relies on third-party
and users descriptions for known conflicts, as well as their own record
keeping.

Whew! :)

Any comments?

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From: jemorti@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Jack Mortimer - K31)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Are there Public Domain Wordprocessors for IIe?
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:56:36 GMT
Organization: NSWC

In article <1992Nov12.183506.15484@cas.org>, lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov10.131505.2663@dgbt.doc.ca> nur@dgbt.doc.ca (Nur Serinken) writes:
|> :
|> :My 11 year old daughther wants to find if there are public domain 
|> :wordprocessors for Apple IIe (Dos 3.3 or ProDos). If there is any
|> :please post name, directory and location.
|> :
|> 
|> What do you have in mind when you refer to wordprocessors (sic)?
|> 
|> There are certainly freely distributable text editors out there - 
|> FReDedit is the one that first comes to mind, followed by the newly freed
|> -- 
|> Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Larry, isn't there also a FrEDWriter program in PD?  Maybe this will do
what this young lady wants.
Jack Mortimer
jemorti@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Editors
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:27:52 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <uerics.721621891@mcl> uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) 

>As it is, I use **ugh** Stevie and the Orca/1.2.1 Editor

What is so wrong with Stevie?  I use it exclusively for editing my source.
If you just remember what that ^Z key is for, you don't have to load
your source every time you need to make a change, you know.  Just make 
the changes, :w, ^Z, compile, and fg when you need to make more changes.

Don't tell me that uEmacs/Orca can load the file in faster than you can
fg it :-)

>Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
>InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
>FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
>AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."
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|          James Brookes            | Inet: bb252@cleveland.freenet.edu |
|``What, me worry?'' - A. E. Neuman |   jamesb@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu |
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From: Nick Phillips <nwp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Clock Cards??
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:18:08 GMT
Originator: nwp90@davinci

I wonder if any of you can help me.... I have what appears to be
a clock card for the Apple //. I need to know how to use it. Simple,
really (I hope). It has a 16 pin DIL plug which (I guess) appears to
be designed to plug in to the Games I/O connector. The plug has a socket
on top to enable whatever is normally plugged in the socket to be piggy-
backed on top of it. This plug/socket is basically a turn-pin DIL socket
mounted in a PCB instead of a plastic moulding. There are connections on
the PCB to (assuming I plug it in to the game connector) the 5v, annunciator,
0v, and possibly PB2 pins. The PCB has a row of metal connecting strips
to connect it to the main PCB of the card. The metal strips are bent at
right angles such that if the plug is plugged in to the game connector,
the main body of the card will stand vertically. There are, on the main
body of the card, a few components: a rechargeable battery; a NEC clock/
calendar chip; about 4 resistors; a diode or two; a 2-pin molex connector,
like the ones used for speaker connections in the Apple; maybe a capacitor
(I can't remember - I don't have it with me). Unfortunately I can't find
any more data on the chip, and I wouldn't know how to set it up to be
recognised by ProDOS anyway.

So, if any of you recognise what this is, and how it works, and can tell
me how to use it, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Nick

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Golden Oldie
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:51:50 GMT


Thanks all for the info on using Muffin or an old version of Copy II+.

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: rustle@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Russell Holt)
Subject: Hard drive for sale
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:28:03 GMT

Hello,

I'm getting rid of this hardly-used drive because I don't need it!

It is a SCSI 170 Mb Maxtor 4170-S.  Included is:

          case with 60 watt power supply and power cable
          SCSI external terminator pack
          6' SCSI cable
          technical manual

Price: $450, obo.

If interested, send e-mail to me at rustle@sage.cc.purdue.edu

Russell Holt =====-===-==--=---=---- --- -- -  -   -    -     -
rustle@sage.cc.purdue.edu           holtrf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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Russell Holt =====-===-==--=---=---- --- -- -  -   -    -     -
holtrf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
The future is not what it used to be.  (It never was.)
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AVATAR
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:46:40 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean) writes:

>What makes it a Super GS? Consider the following facts and figures of Avatar:

>1. 10 MHz 65816
>2. Memory map of Apple IIGS (with some differences)
>3. DMA: 10 magawords a second
>4. Using TMS 34010 (or 34020/34030 depending on cost) for videa at 25/50 MHz

The 34010 runs at 40 or 60 MHz depending on which version you
get.  The 34020 runs at 32 MHz.  There maybe faster versions.
I've never heard of a 34030 yet.

>5. 1024 x 768 max resolution
>6. Use 65265 with 512K RAM as video processor, stereo and tie directly to
>   Ensoniq. 

What's the point in this?  If you have 340x0 chip, using an
65265 (do they exist?) will likely slow things down.

>7. Support CD-ROM (optional), IDE harddisk, floppy drive (read/write
>   Mac/Apple II/IBM/ST/Amiga disk)

That's good.  Cheap floppy and hard drives.

>8. Able to run Avatar-aware GS software (GS applications that use Toolbox
>   and don't draw directly to screen)
>9. Able to offload program to separate 65816 subprocessors.

I suppose that's kind of a neat idea too.  But how are you going to
arrange access to the screen (graphics screen)?  Is someone going to
write a multi-tasking windowing system?

I will also raise the question that another poster mentioned.  Has
this project actually taken a form other than some ideas that are
tossed around?  Is this really a viable project in terms of today's
market for computers?  Even if all of us on the net bought one, and
everyone else on AOL, CI$, and GEnie bought one, would that even be
5000 units?
-- 
Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: Matt Ackeret <unknown@apple.com>
Subject: Re: >Joe K, 13 sector disks
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:33:51 GMT
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:35:18 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72008F6540103E7@kip2-42.apple.com>
Organization: Apple

In article <19921106.101728.920@almaden.ibm.com> Paul Benson,
Pauley@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>I know! I know! I know!  Joe, that was one hell of a hint!  This should
be
>great, since I only remember it from playing games at school, I've always
>kinda wanted _________ in my collection for old times sake.  Way to go
Tim!

Pinball Construction Set? Miner 2049er? can't remember what else he's
done.

I hope those work with the "DOS 3.3" Launcher program as full disk files.
From: gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (gudat henrik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Symbolix 1.7 demo - read me
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:34:49 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich

Some notes regarding the (G)Symbolix demo on comp.binaries
 
Larry has just uploaded the demo of the new version on
comp.binaries.apple2. Thanks mucho, Larry!
 
Type of program:
Math application (for numeric and _symbolic_ math, incl.
expand, collect, derive, 2D/3D plots, extensions, etc.)

Hardware requirements:
- system 6.0
- at least 1.5MB RAM
 
Recommended hardware
- 2-3 MB RAM
- hard disk
- an accelerator board - why not...
 
 
Although the demo opens a text window with rather long demo notes, you
should know one more thing: THE MANUALS ARE READY, so there are no
problems when ordering right now. The demo says the contrary (January
93), but this is no longer true.
 
The manual has been rewritten and redesigned and explains everything in
detail. If you wanna know what we will _NOT_ ship you, read the article
in A+/InCider. If you wanna know what we WILL send you, just read any
of the numerous other reviews.
 
I hope you understand that I can't make any objective statements here
because I'm highly affiliated with that organization - sorry. But if
you are interested in really realistic and correct reviews, why don't
you take a look at GS+, USER, or Apple Bytes? [The A+/InCider article
is definitely a waste of time because they are three (spell it!!)
upgrades behind...]
 
Those of you who are interested in other programs from Bright should
also download the demo: select About... and then watch the FIRST,
(partly) TOOL-BASED, APPLE-CONFORM & APPROVED, MEGA-COMPATIBLE demo!
There you'll find everything you always wanted to know about ShadowDial
and so on.
 
For more information, please e-mail me or Larry (Schneider). Snail mail
addresses are in the sig. below. American and Canadian orderers should
contact the US address, all others please mail your letters to the land
of cheese and chocolate.
 
(Christmas service: IF you are short of bucks, then send us the address
of your parents...WE WILL TALK TO THEM... <- silly joke, ignore it)
 
Have fun with it!
 
Henrik

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P.O. Box 18          any demo: US$3.00              P.O. Box 120
4153 Reinach 2       info on GSymbolix, ShadowDial, Exeter, ME 04435-0120
Switzerland          Gate, SpaceFox, Mandelbrot     U.S.A.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Apple Overtakes IBM?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:58:57 GMT

In article <musjndx.721427489@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> musjndx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Jonathan N. Deitch) writes:

[ ]

The issue of Apple selling more micros than IBM at this time is neither here
nor there. IBM has ceased to be the sole main force in the PC world and its
marketshare there are been dropping fast. For these reasons they have begun
to split the personal micro line off from the parent. Heck in Canada they even
make clones (called Ambra's). So Apple shipping 10% of all units is more or
less what has been happening for quite some time. The PC market is an open
one, and people have the freedom to choose amongst many manufacturers. They
are doing just that.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Scanlines??
From: hdgarner@acs.harding.edu
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:20:40 -0500
Reply-To: hdgarner@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

I was thinking the other day that the problem with the IIgs's graphics is the 16 color per scanline constraint. If you could get more colors per line it would help out a lot. Why can there only be 16 colors per line? Couldn't there be some way around that something like the 3200 color graphics. Or maybe upgrading the video memory or something. And what resolution are those FTA demos in. I just got Bouncin Ferno and the title screen sure does look like 640 but I am not sure.
Just Wondering..
From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca bashing (was Re: Amrit, C/C++)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:03:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cxr_rs60.9211051503.AA07392
Organization: The Internet

James Brookes writes:
>BTW, Mike Westerfield wrote both APW and Orca/C.  So, the analogy doesn't
>really hold water when you are comparing Orca/C and lcc.

The way I read this you are implying that Mike wrote both the ORCA and the
APW C compilers... This is NOT true.  Mike wrote ORCA/M, the shell and asm
for the GS and a variant of that product is the APW shell/asm.  Mike also
wrote ORCA/C, however, APW C is actually a Megamax compiler.

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: An old tech saving the GS?
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: 09 Nov 92 05:54:04 GMT

In article <Z9RVTB2w165w@cyberden.uucp> gasman@cyberden.uucp writes:
>I was reminescing about my old times with a CoCo 3(0.9 MHZ and 64 colors, 
>16 on screen) and I remembered an old digitizer technology. What would be 
>done was to digitize a picture with a red filter, then a green filter, 
>then a blue filter, and then to flip the screens together. A machine with 
>64 colors would achieve _4096_ that way. I am wondering if someone can 
>try this for an apple IIgs. It WOULD be nice to show all those who 
>believe the apple is dead! True color on a gs...ahhhh!

Depends on how many SHR display pages the GS offers.  I don't have a
GS, so I could be wrong on this, but I think the GS only has two SHR
pages (just like it has two of every other kind of page).  The CoCo,
on the other hand, lets you put a display page anywhere in
memory...it's easy to set up 3 or more pages.  (I do know this; I
picked up a CoCo 2 a couple of weeks ago and have messed around with
graphics a bit on it.  Not as many colors are possible on
it...probably the best compromise between color and resolution would
be G3C (128x96x4--square pixels) or G6C (128x192x4--fat pixels)--and
the palette is fixed as green/yellow/blue/red or
buff/cyan/magenta/orange.)

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!           Ask me about SoftDAC--digital
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis          audio for your Apple IIe/IIc!
 \_^_/  If Bill Clinton is the answer, it must've been a damn stupid question!!
From: jmarkus@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AVATAR
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:36:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Okay, it looks like I should be a little more detailed in my questions.

I have been told so far that AVATAR is:

a)      A computer
b)      A place in Ultima V
c)      An ANSI type screen code

My fault, I guess.  I am interested in finding out more about the AVATAR
computer.  Is it still being worked on?  What makes it a _Super_ GS?  Will it
still run the old 8 bit software?

Please fill me with knowledge - or hearsay.

--
                        Jeff Markus
                        jmarkus@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
        
        "I can't think of anything cute or poignant to put here!"


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Joystick for Apple //e
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:02:38 GMT

In article <BxBDnD.DE9@news.iastate.edu> ddkilzer@iastate.edu (David D Kilzer) writes:
>I have a friend who is need of a joystick for her Apple //e....
>
>Please reply to the "Followup-To:" address, and not to me.  (A good news
>reading program will do this automatically. :)

A good news reading program does do the followup automatically, it posts
the followups to the NEWS GROUP schneklo7326@iscsvax.uni.edu!!!!

the Followup-To: is for newgroups!!!!!!!!! not for mail addresses!!!!!

>Dave
>-- 
>David D. Kilzer               \                ST:TNG _Relics_
>ddkilzer@iastate.edu          /       Capt. Montgomery Scott ("Scotty")
>Computer Engineer 3rd Class   \   "I may be a captain by rank, but I never
>Iowa State University, Ames   /    wanted to be anything but an engineer."


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    Dortmund    internet: henigan@quantum.de, or henigan@quando.quantum.de
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@mayall.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: GEnieLamp
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: 06 Nov 92 17:45:53 GMT

I wasn't the complainer.  I used to have a GEnie subscription (would
still have it if it wasn't for a lack of $$$) and thought it was a
good idea to forward the Lamp to this newsgroup.  Bring it back...the
people who don't like it can insert "GEnie Lamp" in their KILL files
and never see it again.

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!           Ask me about SoftDAC--digital
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis          audio for your Apple IIe/IIc!
 \_^_/  If Bill Clinton is the answer, it must've been a damn stupid question!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lepard@mayo.edu (Kevin O. Lepard)
Subject: Anyone compared HardPressed vs. AutoArc?
Reply-To: lepard@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:09:42 GMT


---
I am interested if anyone has compared HardPressed vs. AutoArc for the GS.
I was wondering what they felt the differences were.  Also, I was wondering
if anyone had any benchmarks that demonstrate the amount of slowdown the two
programs require.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin
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Kevin O. Lepard
Internet:  lepard@mayo.edu

Disclaimer:  These opinions are mine alone and do not necessarily represent
those of the Mayo Foundation, Mayo Clinic, or any other person or institution.
From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:43:21 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GEnieLamp
Organization: IBM Personal Computer Co. - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents my views, not necessarily IBM's.
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <jpenne.720938011@ee.ualberta.ca> Jerry Penner writes:
>Due to a complaint about the excessive advertising for GEnie contained
>in the GEnieLamp newsletter, I will not be posting it anymore.  I

Well, I don't care either way, since I read it on GEnie.  The main benefit
I feel for it being posted here is that we will get more people (therefore
better discussions) on GEnie.  But, what in the Lamp is an advertisement?
Sure "GEnie" pops up about 1000 times, but it does that on GEnie so it is
not meant to be advertising.  Maybe it's the message at the end telling
how to join GEnie, I consider that a followup.  If that's the main problem,
can that be dropped? or is it required by GEnie.  Either way, count me as
a vote to put it on c.s.a2 since I think the benefit is greater than the
questionable advertising.

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: >Joe K, 13 sector disks
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:56:02 GMT


To Jay and everyone else...

Yeah, I just tried out Muffin, and it works. Slowly, but it works. And, it
even accepts wildcards when prompting for filenames. Using the '=' key
converts the entire disk, file by file.

I agreed to help Tim Tobin's Lost Classic Project. Tim is the librarian on
GEnie's A2, and he was the guy that managed to talk Paul Lutus into
releasing AppleWriter as freeware.

I feel that it's Tim Tobin's place to announce new titles as they are
released. I'll help publicize them after they are released. I don't want to
take any of the wind out of Tim Tobin's sails; he's the man that deserves
the credit for starting the Lost Classic project.

The only thing I'll say further is that I now have the answer to the
question that always comes up when a bunch of Apple II old-timers get
together. That question, of course, is..."What ever happened to Bill Budge?"

And, for the answer, you're just going to have to read my Shareware
Solutions column in inCider/A+, or watch on GEnie when Tim announces some
new Lost Classics.

I'm mum on the subject. Don't even ask. No journalist would pre-announce the
scoop of the year, and neither will I.

Joe Kohn
From: astein@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: inCider/A+
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:17:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cmcvx1.1992Nov13.111703.1
Organization: Claremont McKenna College

In article <BxIK4K.tH@well.sf.ca.us>, joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn) writes:
> 
> inCider/A+ Damage Control Report:
> 
> Please help to spread the word that the previously announced changes to
> inCider/A+ will NOT be happening, as previously reported. inCider will NOT
> be changing its focus towards the mac in February, 1993.
> 
> Personally, I feel a little silly because it was me who posted the original
> messages (I think, who can remember last month's rumors?). I'll admit it...I
> was wrong.
> 
> In any case, there will be no major changes to inCider's focus come the Feb
> issue. Nor the March issue. Not the April issue.
> 
> Joe Kohn
> Contributing Editor, inCider/A+

    That's great news, Joe.  What made them have a change of heart?