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From: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com (Denton Meredith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to incite an Email riot.  My
final $0.02 on the issue is this:  I agree with Melissa
Safran, who mentions that everyone should choose the hair
that's best for them, with the caveat that the hair that's
best for the person may not be best for the person's career.

I would love to have my hair *that* short again;  however,
the fact remains, that in the conservative world of big-
time oil exploration, I would be cutting myself off from
some avenues of promotion because I'm in international
work, and it's a simple fact that not every culture (nor
every business) respects the right of a woman to do as she
pleases.  I do not mean to imply that all women feel this
corporate pressure, by the way...but I do.

Thanks to everyone who gave me input via Email...it was
interesting to read everyone thoughts.  NOW GET OFF MY
CASE!!  

Just kidding...    ;-)


Meredith
From: pwy6d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Phil Yarrington (SG))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Kill the Bubble Man Or At Least Disable Him Further
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:28:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <28DEC199213061143@cc.utah.edu> pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.192557.18851@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mpcook@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Cook) writes...
>{ 
><Stuff deleted> 
>
>Hey, hold the phone, folks. My objection to Mike has NOTHING to do with
>his disability or his "handicap" or his illness. My objection to mike
>is from a purely creative/plot development point of view. I sympathize

... <More stuff deleted>

Don't you think that Mike's being involved with Maggie is goind to get
him killed soon anyway?  8-)
From: mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: If You Were Santa and You Visited Cicel
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:13:29 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com
Organization: General Electric

In article 10727@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:
+Overcome by nausea on 15 Dec 92 18:09:41 GMT, Wanda L McCrae
+(mmrwlm@sn217.uca) retched up these words::

Misconception on your part, Larry.  I am perfectly healthy without a trace
of nausea.  :-)

+
+: I don't know about the other characters, but I'd give Maggie and Mike
+: each other.  She seems much calmer and happier with him on her mind
+: than Joel.  I've noticed and appreciated a new depth to her character
+: that Joel seems to repress.
+
+Funny, I've been thinking that lately the Maggie character has been
+acting kind of shallow and scatterbrained.

I saw more shallowness when the writers were hotly pursuing the Maggie -n-
Joel bit.  She was petty, and argued about meaningless things.  Case in point:
the "you have to be good to us" bit she raved about when Ed and Joel were
arguing about whether women or men were nicer.

+That bit where a fellow
+pilot died and she tried to change her whole personality and went
+around being nice to everyone struck me as something a teenager would
+do, not a 30-year-old.

That may be something that you would not do at 30 years old, but it is
a perfectly normal reaction to the death of an acquaintance.  But that is
a thread that should go into a psychology newsgroup...

+Compare her giddy confused behavior around
+Mike with the crafty manipulative woman who got the best of Joel back
+when they were sparring.

I didn't like that crafty, manipulative woman.  She is more human now, with
more important things on her mind than playing childish mind games with
Joel.  I welcome the change.  She does not appear giddy and confused to
me.  She is less self-centered with Mike.  Her concern for his welfare
is a refreshing change from the constant, "In your *dreams*, Fleischman!"
(It is a cute line, but it gets old, quick!)

---
_______________________________________________
Wanda McCrae - mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com

"A wise old owl sat in an oak.
 The more he heard, the less he spoke.
 The less he spoke, the more he heard.
 Why can't we all be like that wise, old bird?"
From: andy@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Andy Silber)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Adam's first acting job
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:48:17 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


My mother remebers a short from about 15 years ago made by Alan Arkin staring two
of his sons (including are favorite big foot , Adam).
It involved making a magic potion in the kitchen. One of the kids
turns into a chicken at the end. Does anyone know the name of this short and
anyway to get a copy of this?
Andy Silber
andy@ro.harvard.edu
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From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: U.S. Mail To Cast
Date: 1 Jan 1993 11:43:02 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com

I have sent a letter to the cast and crew of Northern Exp.
and offered them each an e-mail account. I have explained
this news group to them and invited hem to join in. maybe
just maybe, we might have interesting results.
-- 
Joseph Stroup  
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:51:14 GMT

mueller@phakt.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller) writes:


>Duh, sorry about that last post.

>This might be a trivial subject but ...

>What do people think about the new Maggie commercial in which
>she is growing out her hair in back?

All I can say is, she better get it cut, or she will
no longer be the one-true-Maggie.  IMHO


 
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From: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com (Denton Meredith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:34:47 GMT
Reply-To: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco


Janine Turner has a gorgeous face and beautiful skin;  I'm sure I'm not the only woman in America who's run to the bathroom to scrub her face and slap on some beauty product after seeing Janine up close and realizing that MY skin *used* to look that good, and I'm *younger* than she is!  The moral is, if I looked that beautiful and feminine, I'd wear my hair that short again (mine used to be virtually identical) in a minute.  You guys have no idea how good you've got it;  I spend ten minutes in the shower s







hampooing and conditioning, then a total of twenty minutes blow drying and curling my below-shoulder hair.  That's half an hour spend trying to look like you guys *think* I should (I work in corporate America and must go with the flow) that guys spend snoring away in bed.

I really resent guys who say women are *supposed* to have longer hair.  Geez, give me a break.  If you don't like Janine's hair, DON'T WATCH HER.

And that Joseph Philipps guy ("slap him one upside the head") needs to have some therapy.

Just my $0.02.

Meredith Denton
From: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com (Denton Meredith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:20:31 GMT
Reply-To: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

In article 27802@netcom.com, bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan) writes:
>zmyd02@hou.amoco.com writes:
>>
>>Janine Turner has a gorgeous face and beautiful skin;  I'm sure I'm not the only woman in America who's run to the bathroom to scrub her face and slap on some beauty product after seeing Janine up close and realizing that MY skin *used* to look that good, and I'm *younger* than she is!
>
>Considering the amount of makeup they need to put on for the TV cameras, we
>probably have no idea what here real skin looks like.  You're being flattered
>more by her make-up artist than by herself.


Not entirely true.  While makeup can cover minor blemishes and enlarged pores, it CANNOT cover an inherently bad complexion.  Ever seen someone with really bad acne try to cover it up?  Just doesn't work.  While she may not have perfect skin, it is indisputably in very good condition.


>>> I spend ten minutes in the shower shampooing and conditioning, then a total of twenty minutes blow drying and curling my below-shoulder hair.  That's half an hour spend trying to look like you guys *think* I should
>
>Don't blame us guys.  That peer pressure comes more from other women than
>it does from men.  For instance, I don't know of a single guy that thinks
>high-heels make a woman look better.

When I blame "guys" for this, I'm talking about the fact that, to be considered a competant professional, I have to not only demonstrate my professional abilities, but also present myself in a manner acceptable to the corporate types.  There is no denying the fact that people (both men and women) are often considered unpromotable if they do not adhere to certain basic corporate standards...and one of those standards (instituted by the men who finally decided women were intelligent enough to work in the oil






 industry) is that the women must look "feminine": well-dressed, well-groomed, etcetera.  Outside of work, I don't care what anyone thinks of how I look...you like it, you look, you don't like it, look away!  And I personally don't feel any peer pressure from other women...I dress to please myself for the most part.

>
>>I really resent guys who say women are *supposed* to have longer hair.  Geez, give me a break.  If you don't like Janine's hair, DON'T WATCH HER.
>
>I wouldn't go so far as to use the phrase 'supposed to', but I have to
>admit that I think most women look much better with long hair.  but
>straight hair is fine; I've never cared for curly hair.
>
>My $.02 too.
>
>M, BATR..
>...Steve Bilan
>

Everyone's entitled to their hair preferences.  But some men are actually *offended* by short hair.  I guess I got sensitive to the issue when I had a haircut like Janine's...on one occasion I actually was approached in a mall by a guy who called me a dyke and walked off!  This over a haircut!  Sheesh!

Another $0.02, bringing the total still well short of a plugged nickel.

Meredith Denton
From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Long hair vs. Short hair
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:52:05 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Melissa Safran writes:
>
> Maggie is so pretty that she can get away with an extreme haircut like
> this.  I think that as long as the style suits the person, it will be
> acceptable.
>


On the 12/28 repeat episode of NEXP, Maggie was getting a haircut with Joel
watching. Joel was commenting that Maggie's hairstyle reminded him of Dorothy
Hamill.
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: apparel
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:24:48 GMT


Could someone please tell me where at the end of the show they have the
sweatshirt offer??  I haven't seen it.



Simon

Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: lhartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lori L Hartman)
Subject: Letters From Cicely
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:36:21 GMT

I thought you might enjoy reading the letter from Holling to the Internal
Revenue Service from the book, LETTERS FROM CICELY, by Ellis Weiner, pp. 36-37:


Gentlemen:

     I am in receipt of your letter to me of February 25, in which you request
information with regard to what I've paid my employees in salary and benefits
over the past twenty-three years.  I would love to give you this information,
but I simply do not know.  People who've worked here have come and gone, and
some have come back again and then gone again.  I suppose I've paid these
various individuals four or five dollars an hour, but probably in the early
days it was much less, considering that a dollar bought a lot more back then.

     Currently I employ three people.  One is Dave, the cook, who I pay seven
dollars an hour.  As for benefits, he can have all his meals free.  I have also
hired Ed Chigliak at that same rate with those same benefits.  I have a
classified ad out for another cookk, as we are now open twenty-four hours a
day.

     My other employee is Shelly Tambo, but as she and I are cohabitating on a
personal basis, I don't really pay her.  I just give her money.

     I hope this answers your question.

                                   Yours truly,
                                   Holling Vincouer
                                   Prop., The Brick
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From: damir@coal.WPI.EDU (MR. Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:35:20
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: zmyd02@hou.amoco.com's message of 28 Dec 92 19:34:47 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Dec 92 19:34:47 GMT, zmyd02@hou.amoco.com (Denton Meredith) said:

zmyd02> blow drying and curling my below-shoulder hair.  That's half
zmyd02> an hour spend trying to look like you guys *think* I should (I
zmyd02> work in corporate America and must go with the flow) that guys
zmyd02> spend snoring away in bed.

	why waste your time on what we think?
	personally, i think women should look however they
feel most comfortable; be themselves.  that brings out their
beauty.   are you making yourself look like  how YOU want, or how you think
we want?
	when i saw that chevy commercial, i almost cried!
she better cut her hair; it brings out her wonderful eyes
(which i wouldn't mind falling into while listening to the
ORB, but that's another story... )
	and hey, *i* don't snore!  :)

so what does this have to with No. Exp. ?
so here's something:
	what do you all think of maggie's character?
(sorry if this has been re-hashed, i'm new to this group)
i think she's one confused woman!  (ok, most of us are confused, so
she's realistic anyway).   for example, with the bubble man.
she latches on to this guy, KNOWING both of them will
probably get hurt.  or is this just a general trend among
us human beings, and No. Exp. is a good example of realistic
human psychology?  yes, they have realistic characters...
	for example, maurice.... i can't STAND his character
(could they make anyone more american??), but damn, he's
realistic.
just my ramblings...
take with a slice of lemon, and enjoy...


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From: jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber)
Subject: Golden Globe Awards Nominations for NX
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:17:05 GMT

Reposted from clari.news.tv:


From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.tv,clari.news.movies,clari.news.interest.people,clari.local.california
Subject: Nominations for 50th Golden Globe Awards
Keywords: general broadcast news, tv & radio, movies, people,
	human interest
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:48:15 GMT


	BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (UPI) -- Nominations for the 50th annual Golden
Globe Awards, to be presented Jan. 23:

	Best dramatic TV series: ``Beverly Hills, 90210,'' ``Homefront,'' 
``I'll Fly Away,'' ``Northern Exposure, ''Sisters.``

	Best TV series actress: Mariel Hemmingway (Civil Wars), Angela
Lansbury (Murder, She Wrote), Marlee Matlin (Reasonable Doubts), Regina
Taylor (I'll Fly Away), Janine Turner (Northern Exposure).

	Best TV series actor: Scott Bakula (Quantum Leap), Mark Harmon
(Reasonable Doubts), Rob Morrow (Northern Exposure), Jason Priestly
(Beverly Hills, 90210), Sam Waterston (I'll Fly Away).

	Best TV supporting actor in a series, mini-series or motion picture:
Jason Alexander (Seinfeld), John Corbett (Northern Exposure), Hume
Cronyn (Broadway Bound), Earl Holliman (Delta), Dean Stockwell (Quantum
Leap).



So I guess they're still not a comedy.  Not too shabby, though.


Jodi Weber
jodiweber@attmail.com

Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:42:18 GMT

bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan):
>Considering the amount of makeup they need to put on for the TV cameras, we
>probably have no idea what here real skin looks like.  You're being flattered
>more by her make-up artist than by herself.

Not necessarily.  The amount of make-up required depends on the lighting
used and whether the show is shot on film or videotape.  She may not be
wearing any.

w.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Maruice sighting
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:16:11 GMT


He also played a recruiting officer in an episode of M*A*S*H who got
Kilnger to re-enlist in a fit of drunken depression over his wife's
infidelity.
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From: an4041@anon.penet.fi
Subject:      Janine's Chevy ads
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:16:11 GMT


Regarding Janine Turner's Chevy ads:
    If she really wants to make some $$$ capitalizing on her Northern
Exposure success, she should go for total exposure in Playboy or
Penthouse. After seeing her face in ultra closeup pitching Chevy
trucks, I couldn't be any more embarrassed for her than if I had seen
close up shots of her crotch in a Penthouse fold out.
    Janine, Madonna did it in "Sex" and you can do it too-a woman is
entitled to make $$$ from  her body. It would be worth a fiver to me.
Please show us what we want to see.
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From: bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan)
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Organization: Netcom
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:06:06 GMT

wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner) writes:
>bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan):
>>Considering the amount of makeup they need to put on for the TV cameras, we
>>probably have no idea what here real skin looks like.  You're being flattered
>>more by her make-up artist than by herself.
>
>Not necessarily.  The amount of make-up required depends on the lighting
>used and whether the show is shot on film or videotape.  She may not be
>wearing any.


When they do close-ups like they they did in the truck commercial or
when they use the usual number of lights that they use when filming
(regardless of film or videotape), you had better believe that they
use makeup.  Normal skin will look too flat and with too much glare
if they didn't put makeup on.




M, BATR..
..Steve Bilan
From: rchandra@exucom.com (Joseph E. Philipps)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:26:01 GMT
Organization: ExuCom Multimedia Inc.

In article <1h7ialINNqle@phakt.usc.edu> mueller@phakt.usc.edu (Stephen
Mueller) writes:

>What do people think about the new Maggie commercial in which
>she is growing out her hair in back?

IMHO, women should have longer hair, and men should have shorter hair.
I like at least just above shoulder length in general (but I've seen
many pretty ladies with shorter hair).  However, when you get as short
as what she usually has on the series, it's not as good as I think it
could be, but still pretty nonetheless.  In short, longer is better.

To me, nothing raises quiet anger in me quite like when I see a couple
where the guy has long hair, like down to his shoulders, with an
earring or two and the gal has short hair like Janine.  The gal I
could care less about; to me, they sort of have a choice...but I
always wanna take the guy aside and slap him one upside the head!
-- 
"Answer my question; tell me no lies:   | rchandra@exuco1.exucom.com
 Is this the real world, or a fool's    | rchandra@toz.buffalo.ny.us
 paradise?" -- E. Woolfson & A. Parsons | 76420.611@compuserve.com
Joe Philipps, professional programmer at large (Please make me an offer!!)
From: fogel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Fogel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: MAGGIE'S HAIR
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:57:46 GMT
Expires: 15 Jan 93 05:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: fogel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Fogel)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I CAN REMEMBER WHEN JANINE TURNER WAS ON "GENERAL HOSPITAL" PLAYING
LAURA TEMPLETON.  NOT ONLY DID SHE HAVE LONG HAIR BUT IT WAS BLOND.

OTS-I SAW ROB MORROW IN A REALLY AWFUL B-MOVIE.  IT WAS ONE OF THOSE
TERRIBLE COLLEGE MOVIES, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PLOT OR EVEN IF THERE
WAS ONE.

*ALSO* I GOT MY NEXP SWEATSHIRT IN THE MAIL ABOUT A WEEK AGO (JUST IN
TIME FOR MY B-DAY) I LOVE IT. IT IS SO WARM. PLUS IT CAME WITH A NEXP
CATALOG AND BULLWINKLE AND ROCKY CATALOG.

LIVE-LOVE-LAUGH
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From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Subject: Re: Chris' sentence
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:57:37 GMT

> Dennis Tetreault writes:
>
> Regarding Chris' sentence:  I don't recall the exact wording, but the
> sentence was that Cicely had 3 years to find someone who fills the
> gap Chris would leave. After 3 years, his position in the community
> filled or not, Chris would be subject to extradition to W. Va. "if
> that state sees fit to send someone for him".
> I imagine  the judge hopes W.Va.  will forget he exists.
>
> Anyhow, does anyone else feel the sentence wording is open to various
> interpretation???
>


I thought the stipulation was "should they show up". I got the impression
that the judge was insulting the state prosecutor for their lack of
preparation in the case. That's the interpretation I got. And she said that
in that time, Cicely should find another DJ ... kind of a weak stipulation I
should say.

On Saturday night, Anne Haney (who played the judge) appeared in an episode
of Columbo (Agenda for Murder). She played the secretary to the murderer.

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From: lenny@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Len Goodman)
Subject: Re: Adam's first acting job
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:23:18 GMT

The first time I saw Adam Arkin on TV was on a short-lived series 
in the 1978-80 time frame.  I can't remember the name of it but
it was about a group of teenagers who never had any luck at work
or with women, especially with women.  In one episode they were at
a fancy resort and for a few bucks, you could have yourself paged 
on the PA system with a fancy title in front of your name. One guy 
in the group had himself paged as "Emporer(sp?)  Vinnie Mordabeno".
(Now that I think about it , the group may have been older than 
teenagers - twentysomething??).

    -- Len
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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: 12/21 episode a rerun?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:26:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Was the 12/21 episode a rerun? My question arises because I've heard Maurice
refer previously to a Korean son, and because there's little discussion of
this episode in the group.

thx,
scott smay