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From: yonkman@askungen.css.gov (Tom Yonkman)
Subject: Version 19 of Elisp and Emacs
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:23:28 GMT

Thanks for replying, it is much appreciated.  I've also received a reply
from W. S. Rupprecht, who is implementing the native floating point
extensions, indicating how to turn it on in the current release.

- ty -
From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: is tehere a multi-part gnus posting package  ??
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:21:07 GMT
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.

Replys via email thanks, I'll post a summary.

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From: patrick@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Patrick Goebel)
Subject: Reverse video for marked text?
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Distribution: gnu
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:20:43 GMT

Since the status line appears in reverse video on just about every
terminal on which I have used emacs, I was wondering if there was any
way to have marked text appear in reverse video.  Most PC users come
to expect a change in the appearance of a block of text that has been
marked for copying or killing so that such a feature could ease some
of the anxiety our first time emacs users tend to experience...

Cheers,
patrick
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From: moore@src.bae.co.UK (Chris Moore)
Subject: textedit (TM) style line wrapping
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:45:35 GMT


A user at our site recently started using GNU Emacs after using Sun's
textedit program for quite a while.  He has a problem with the way that
emacs handles wrapping long lines of text.

In textedit, long lines are wrapped on screen at word breaks, but the
editor remembers which line breaks are 'hard' returns (generated by the
user typing return - assumed fixed), and which are 'soft' returns
(generated by textedit wrapping a line).  In this way, a return which the
user enters stays in the same place all the time.

This is particularly useful when editing LaTeX documents, where you tend to
have a lot of short command lines which you don't want to be joined in with
the text.  Emacs tends to join all these lines together when you M-x
fill-paragraph near them.

My question is:  Is there any way that GNU Emacs can be made to emulate the
way that textedit handles the automatic filling of text?

Chris.
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From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Following C code in emacs
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:38:04 GMT
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: karthikm@seqp4.sequoia.com's message of 8 Apr 92 19:47:53 GMT

In article <1217@seqp4.sequoia.com> karthikm@seqp4.sequoia.com (Karthik Muthukrishnan) writes:

   I am looking for a way in emacs to follow multiple layers of C code 
   in a way that by a keystroke I can move up one level each time
   to finally come to where I started. To illustrate what I mean, Lets say
   there are three functions func{1-3}() in files func{1-3}.c. I use tags
   to successively read functions func1, func2 and func3 like so:

   	func1() /* in  file func1.c */
   	{
   	   func2();
           }


   	func2() /* in file func2.c */
   	{
   	   func3();
   	}

   	func3() /* in file func3.c */
   	{
   	   func4();
   	}

   	.. etc.

   At this point I might want to walk up and down the stack to figure out
   what the code is doing (what context func3() is called from etc..). 

My `tags-fix' package does this.  You can go up and down the stack of tag
links that you've traversed.  Here are the features:

;;  1. default tag tables based on filename
;;  2. multiple tag tables possible per file
;;  3. tag name completion for find-tag
;;  4. find-tag using regexp
;;  5. tag name completion in the buffer
;;  6. find-tag-default now works at beginning of tag
;;  7. buffer-local find-tag hook (used for info enhancement)
;;  8. buffer-local find-tag-default hook (used for info enhancement)
;;  9. show short info on tag match in minibuffer
;; 10. stack for backtracking from find-tag
;; 11. widen buffers for tags-search
;; 12. display message on successful search
;; 13. don't pull all files into memory for tags-search
;; 14. don't leave searched buffers on top of buffer list
;; 15. find-tag can specify exact symbol matches
;; 16. find-tag-default specifies an exact symbol match
;; 17. tags file buffers can be made "invisible"

Some of these features are obsoleted by Hyperbole.  `tags-fix' is a
complete rewrite of tags.el that I did in the spring of 1990.  Basically,
I incorporated the functionality of all the other tags enhancement
packages that I could find.

I'll send you a copy by e-mail if you like.  Keep bugging me and I'll try
to get it released soon.

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From: tcws@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (Bill Sirinek)
Subject: Re:Keyboard redefining in EMACS 
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:56:45 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-21235]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

 I am using Emacs in CONVEX UNIX here, and I was wondering...

 Can I redefine the key commands? Instead of the commands that Emacs
 use to move the cursor (which I think are quite idiotic- no flame, sorry)
 I would like to be able to use the real cursor keys. I am working on an IBM
 3151 terminal if that helps.....

 Email any responses back to me at my Internet address... Thanks!!

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From: patrick@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Patrick Goebel)
Subject: Re: Troubles with newly built 18.58
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:44:18 GMT

Ooops.  No wonder nobody could answer my question--no one would have
been such an idiot in the first place!  Turns out I thought I could
get away with a `make clean' after copying xemacs, ctags, etags and
emacsclient to /usr/local/bin, you know, to save disk space and all
that.  Of course, `make clean' got rid of a bunch of other needed
binaries in $EMACS/etc.  And THAT was the cause of all my troubles.

Sorry to trouble the net on this one.

patrick
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From: southern@neit.cgd.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: fortran-printout.el
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:52:42 GMT
Reply-To: southern@neit.cgd.ucar.edu ()
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO

I wanted an emacs function which automatically generated diagnostic
printouts from existing lines of FORTRAN code.   For example, the line of 
code at line 106 in the FORTRAN file "mkslic.for" is the current-line
and it reads: 

               ksiz = nlonh + nlat

and I needed to print the values of nlonh and nlat. Rather than
having to type in a print statement describing them, I wrote the
emacs fortran-printout function such that it copies the
current-line and wraps a print statement around it with some info
on the line number and buffer-name:

      print *, " mkslic.for.106: ksiz = nlonh + nlat"
              ksiz = nlonh + nlat


Then I'm left with the simple task of editing the print statement
to read the way I want:

              print *, " mkslic.106: ksiz = ", nlonh," + ",nlat
              ksiz = nlonh + nlat


At this point, it does most of what I want it to.  I've listed some
of it's shortcomings in the description section. Take it if you can
use it.  Feel free to suggest mods if you see a way to improve it.


/\      Lawrence Buja           Climate and Global Dynamics Division
  \_][  southern@ncar.ucar.edu  National Center for Atmospheric Research
      \_________________________Boulder,_Colorado___80307-3000__________



(defun fortran-printout ()
"
FORTRAN diagnostic printout generator.

  1. Copy the entire contents of the current-line to the line above,
  3. Move to the first of the two lines,
  3. preappend:        print *, \"buffername.linenumber: 
  4. append: \" 
  5. Leave the cursor after the colon.

For a line of code \"ksiz = nlonh\", in the file \"mkslic.for\",
the end result is a duplicate of the line of code inserted on the
previous line with a print statement before it and double quotes
around it of the form:

      print *,\" mkslic.for.55: ksiz = nlonh\"
         ksiz = nlonh

The user can then modify the statement to their satisfaction.  

Shortcomings:
1. This function does not try to figure out where to TAB to, it
   simply starts inserting text in column 6.

2. set-mark point (or whatever you call it) is changed

3. leaves in the .for or .f buffername suffix in the print statement.
"
  (interactive )
  (beginning-of-line)
  (let (bol)
       (setq bol (progn (beginning-of-line) (point)))
       (forward-line 1)
       (copy-region-as-kill bol (point))
       (yank))
   (previous-line 2)
   (end-of-line)
   (insert "\"")
   (beginning-of-line)
   (indent-to-column 6)
   (setq bb (buffer-name nil))
   (setq nn (count-lines 1 (point)))
   (insert (concat "print *,\" "  bb "." nn ": ") )
   (fixup-whitespace)
)
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From: meggin@epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson)
Subject: Re: Text highlighting in Emacs
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:29:41
Originator: meggin@epas.utoronto.ca

In article <9204121108.AA06036@jekyll.ccv> rms@ccv.FR (Richard M. Stallman) writes:

   Emacs 19 won't support text highlighting, but a later version will.

   We have code basically working for attaching arbitrary properties to
   parts of the text, including choice of font and color.

Thank you for the information. When this ability is implemented, will
it work on any terminal (using termcap), or will it be especially
designed for X?


David

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From: gnb@duke.bby.oz.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Setting fill-column in local vars
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:46:28 GMT
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia

>>>>> On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:41:25 GMT, I said:

Me> I have a file that I want the fill-column set to 79.  This is an
Me> obvious case for local variables.

The answer (thanks to Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com>) is that the
buffer has to be in fill mode before the fill-column is set.  So I now
have:

Local Variables:
mode: text
fill-column: 79
End:

And it works (because the text-mode-hook sets auto-fill mode).
(Previously I had relied on the file extension to set text mode.)

Thanks all.
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From: rms@ccv.FR (Richard M. Stallman)
Subject: No commercial products here
Reply-To: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:57:40 GMT

Please don't use the GNU mailing lists/newsgroups to ask for
information about commercial products.

The Free Software Foundation set up our mailing lists for the
specific purpose of promoting free software.  Some people may not
mind using proprietary programs, and therefore not having the
freedom to share; but our mailing lists shouldn't be used to
promote that.
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From: meggin@epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson)
Subject: Text highlighting in Emacs
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:02:06 GMT

Thank you very much for the additional information. I look forward to
using an emacs with this ability.


David

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Centre for Medieval Studies      david@doe.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto            39 Queen's Park Cr. E.
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From: pd@doc.ic.ac.uk (Philip Daniels)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Text highlighting in Emacs
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:13:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.

In article <9204121108.AA06036@jekyll.ccv> rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu writes:
>Emacs 19 won't support text highlighting, but a later version will.
>
>We have code basically working for attaching arbitrary properties to
>parts of the text, including choice of font and color.

  If multiple fonts are supported, will it also incorporate the ability
to produce PostScript output files? I think this would be amazingly
popular!

>
>This feature is designed for attributes which are considered part of
>the text itself.  What Epoch provides is highlighting that is part
>of the presentation of the text, not logically part of the text itself.
>That is useful also; I hope we will find the wherewithal to implement
>that along with the other highlighting features.

	- Philip Daniels.
From: tiller@solace.me.uiuc.edu (Mike Tiller)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Emacs termcap
Keywords: termcap emacs
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:08:27 GMT
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Organization: University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign)


	Today I was running emacs and one of my buffers was a
shell.  Without thinking I tried to run another version of emacs
within emacs and got the following message:

emacs: Terminal type "emacs" is not powerful enough to run Emacs.
It lacks the ability to position the cursor.
If that is not the actual type of terminal you have,
use the C-shell command `setenv TERM ...' to specify the correct type.
It may be necessary to do `unsetenv TERMCAP' as well.


	Am I doing something wrong?  Are there plans to fix this
in the future.  I have had this problem with other applications that
I try to run in an emacs buffer.  Is this fundamentally just not
possible because the buffer is considered a stream and not screen?

Michael Tiller
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick M. Ryan)
Subject: modifying C-v and M-v
Reply-To: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick M. Ryan)
Organization: Oceans & Ice Branch, NASA/GSFC/STX
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:25:43 GMT

I'd like to modify the behavior of the scroll-up (M-v) and
scroll-down (C-v) keys as such:

1. If I am at the top of the buffer, I want scroll-up to put
   the cursor at the top of the screen.  Right now it just beeps.

2. If I am at the bottom of the buffer, I want scroll-down to
   put the cursor on the last line (or the end of the buffer).


I'm sure this would be trivial if I knew my way around elisp.
Any clues would be appreciated.

thanks,
pat

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Xref: sparky gnu.emacs.help:2404 comp.sys.hp:5196
From: poirriez@margaux.inria.fr (Vincent Poirriez)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.hp
Subject: emacs18.58/hp-ux8.05/x11R4/8bits
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:53:37 GMT
Reply-To: poirriez@margaux.inria.fr (Vincent Poirriez)
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Organization: INRIA Rocquencourt France

I need some help to install emacs 18.58 on an HP9000/720 running hp ux 8.05
My problem is that under X11R4, emacs does not know for the meta key.
It runs perfectly if it is performed via an rlogin without the -display
option. But if emacs opens it's own window (an hpterm I think), it does not
recognize the meta key. 
And I need it as I have azerty keyboards where the characters #{}[]...
are obtained with that key.

As my students use vi (because it is the only editor on the machines), it
would be very helpfull if someone can give some help.

Thanks to answer by email at poirriez@margaux.inria.fr

Vincent Poirriez
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From: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Read Usenet News Via Emacs
Reply-To: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Organization: Stonehenge; netaccess via Intel, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:59:15 GMT

In article <ETHANB.92Apr8152956@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>, ethanb@ptolemy (Ethan Bradford) writes:
| In article <9204081943.AA23824@cm2fe1.cs.sandia.gov.noname> cho@cs.sandia.gov (Kah-Song Cho) writes:
| 
|    Could someone out there advise me as how to read usenet news using gmacs
|    (TMC version with tmc-gmacs-hacks)?  I just noticed that there is a
|    M-x rnews option in gmacs but my rn's .newsrc doesn't seem to be the one
|    rnews is looking for.
| 
| GNUS is the pre-eminent news reader in GNU emacs.  There is some
| mention of it in the FAQ file, I believe.

And don't forget about "Gnews", which *also* has its own newsgroup,
and is available from just about everywhere that GNUS is.  (And from
what I've seen, Gnews is also more programmable than GNUS.)

I've been using Gnews for about 3 years; some of my code even lives on
as part of the distribution.  I'm posting this article with it right
now.

Just another Gnews hacker,
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From: mrm@puffin.Eng.Sun.COM (Marianne Mueller)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: RMAIL woes
Keywords: rmail folder marker lost mail
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:04:10 GMT
Reply-To: mrm@puffin.Eng.Sun.COM (Marianne Mueller)
Distribution: gnu
Organization: umrk
NNTP-Posting-Host: puffin

Every now and then, a piece of mail I attempt to save in an RMAIL
folder is marked with

^_

or 

^L

instead of 

^_^L

and the mail is lost to me, in that I can't view it from inside RMAIL.
I have to look at that RMAIL folder as a flat text file in order to
see the mail that's marked wrong.

I'm trying to notice what circumstances cause this, but meantime, has
anyone else noticed stuff like this and fixed it?

It may be caused by FCC:, or by using o (save to rmail folder) and
control-o (save to unix mail file) on the same piece of mail.

Merci, 
 Marianne
From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Filename completion in find-file
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:42:56 GMT
Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk's message of 6 Apr 92 12:36:48 GMT

In article <DBH.92Apr6123649@wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk> dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Denis Howe) writes:

   [code deleted ...]

   Whenever you hit ~ in the minibuffer it clears the current contents
   and inserts ~/ .  If you want a real ~ you can use C-q ~ of course.

You can accomplish the same effect by simply typing "/~" at the end of the
minibuffer, or just "~" if the minibuffer already ends with a "/" (which
is usually the case).  In this case, Emacs will ignore everything before
the "~".

-- 
Enjoy,

Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
Member of the League for Programming Freedom --- send e-mail for details
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: CLI M-x buffer?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Mar25.094438.8200@daimi.aau.dk>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 02:32:52 GMT

 CL> == Christian Lynbech <lynbech@daimi.aau.dk> 

 CL> Typical for emacs, it already has the feature. Type C-x ESC for
 CL> repeat-complex-command and then try M-p and M-n for
 CL> previous-complex-command and next-complex-command.

 CL> There are undoubtedly packages with variations on this. One I have
 CL> tried myself, would prompt you for a regular expression to match
 CL> the command you were looking for.

You mean like M-x repeat-matching-complex-command? ;-)
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From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)
Subject: Memory Management (of shell histories and processes)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: gnu
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:24:21 GMT


I'm having a memory management problem with my emacs.  But I think there
may be more than one thing causing it.  The result is when I try to open a
new shell or do a dired or grep I get a "Doing vfork: not enough space"
message. 

One possible cause of this may be that I'm using more and more memory with
my ever growing shell buffers.  I do a lot of shell operations from a
*shell* buffer and these buffers seem to get pretty large.  Is there any
way to clear the buffer to free up some memory?  Also - what about clearing
my yank/kill ring - since after running emacs for a couple days there's  an
awful lot of unnecessary stuff in there.

The other possible cause may be that emacs doesn't start with enough memory
or that my machine doesn't have enough swap space..

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I'm running GNU emacs v 18.57 on an
HP 9000 series 700 under HPUX.

Thanks,

david

P.S. While I am still using my media-lab address, I am no longer a student
there.  I am an employee of: USAnimation, 818 N. La Brea Ave, Hollywood, CA
90038.
From: rms@ccv.FR (Richard M. Stallman)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Text highlighting in Emacs
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:08:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: jekyll.9204121108.AA06036
Reply-To: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu

Emacs 19 won't support text highlighting, but a later version will.

We have code basically working for attaching arbitrary properties to
parts of the text, including choice of font and color.

This feature is designed for attributes which are considered part of
the text itself.  What Epoch provides is highlighting that is part
of the presentation of the text, not logically part of the text itself.
That is useful also; I hope we will find the wherewithal to implement
that along with the other highlighting features.
From: UPP201@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Michael Burschik)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: newbie faqs, no doubt
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:39:18 GMT
Organization: RHRZ-Uni-Bonn

I am now using Emacs under German TOS and would like to know if it
is possible to persuade Emacs to use 8-bit-Ascii (including German
letters like \"o) and to define the Alternate key as Meta key.

Cheers,
        Mike.
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