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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:30:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug31.192541.7694@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>cool.  Things like specialized camo, load-bearing equipment, 
>add-on scopes, things like that.  So, what is the most useless

Specialized camo?  If you play on the same field a lot, it might help to
at least, get camo that matches the terrain.  I'm too cheap to buy two set
of the camo, one for trees and one for the dry shrublands common in
California.  But then again, I'm not a sniper...

Add-on scopes may be useful for the sniper...plus it's nice to be able to
look into said scope to find out that the dark outline next to the tree
stump is really anoteher tree stump. ^_^ 


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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:25:41 GMT

In article <7542@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.204736.6445@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>>I saw an ad in one of the PB magazines about three years ago for 
>>something like this.  It was a modification of a CO2 powered "stun
>>gun", a device that fired a heavy bean bag-like projectile with
>>enough force to knock a person down, or at least make them think
>>about going down.  It looked really clumsy.  If only someone 
>>would scale down those "discarding sabot paintball launchers",
>>those big bazooka things being advertised in _APG_, that would
>
>	Is that how those things are supposed to work?  I always thought they 
>were a shotgun type setup.  Then again, I never DID see one in real life...
>I DID see approx. what I described on the back of an OLD issue of APG.  What
>would be REALLY cool would be one of these things mounted under a full auto
>paintgun.  The result would lack finnese, but finese matters little when
>your picking geletain shards off your clothes.
>	This brings me back to my original question: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
>SMG-60?  And it corralary: Are there any other full auto paintguns on the
>market?
>
The paintball launchers are shotgun effect devices.  The modified
stun gun thing was adapted to fire about 30 paintballs over a pretty
wide arc, something like having a paintball Claymore mine attached
to your gun.

As for the SMG-60, well, even the older semi-auto designs were
better at delivering high rates of fire than the SMG.  At it's 
best, an SMG carried an ammo load of less than 50 rounds, usually
much less.  Reloading was a pain in the butt.  A decent semi-auto
can carry a bulk feeder with a 200+ capacity, and kick out paint
really fast.  Paintballers have discovered what the military is
learning:  full auto capability isn't really all that effective
for most situations.  The next generation of full-auto paintguns 
will probably be limited to big, heavy, tripod-mounted guns, used 
for adding "atmosphere" to a game field.

And, speaking of atmosphere. . .

Many paintball players carry one or two items during a game that
don't really add to their playing effectiveness, but look really
cool.  Things like specialized camo, load-bearing equipment, 
add-on scopes, things like that.  So, what is the most useless
piece of equipment you've seen (or carried) during a game?  I'll
start with this:  Saw a guy carrying a ninja folding grappling
hook tucked in his belt once.  He claimed to actually use it to
aid in climbing trees.  Then several of his buddies spoke up and
added that when they see a knotted black ninja rope dangling from
a tree limb, they shoot the tree up "just to see what falls out".
What kind of things do you all see?

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com
From: steve@horizon.com (Steve Flaherty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Southern California Warzones...
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:37:37 GMT
Organization: Science Horizons, Inc.

polito@sal-sun9.usc.edu (Ryan Polito) writes:


>In article <19920828170424IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
>|>  CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME OF A GOOD SOLID, FUN, DIVERSE, WELL MANAGED
>|>  PAINTBAL FIELD NEAR THE LOS ANGELES AREA?  LIVING IN THIS CITY LEAVES
>|>  MUCH TO BE DESIRED WHEN IT COMES TO PAINTBALL.  MY INSTICTIVE DESIRE
>|>  TO SPLATER PEOPLE WITH PAINT THANKS YOU.


>If you find one let me know.

>I used to play at the War Zone in Corona but they lost their lease on the land
>and I haven't found a suitable repacement yet.  I played once at Sat Cong
>Village,  but it didn't compare to WZ.  I'm desperate.  It's been over a year
>since I've played and I suffering from withdrawl over here.  I live  in the San
>Gabriel valley.  Any idears? 


>Ryan
>polito@usc.edu

I agree that Sat Cong stinks.  I play at the new Conquest, and at Jed Burn's
Fields of Fury (or is it Fire??).  Both fields are run by people that have
been in the business for years, and really seem to care about  their
customers.  Neither field will let the "home" team run rampant on you on
purpose.  Maps and phone numbers can be had from Skirmish the Store.  Jed
takes walk-ons on Saturday, and Conquest on Sunday.  Conquest is the home
field of Sudden Death, and Fatal Swoop calls Jed's field home turf.  If you
would like to shoot up (or, more likely, be shot by) Jessica Sparks, the
editor of APG, check out Conquest.  She hangs out there often.

Have Fun,

Steve

steve@horizon.com
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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: Re: Silencers and PB guns
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:07:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>discovered, however, the law was changed to cover them.  If your state
>doesn't consider PB guns as firearms, then a homemade silencer is
>perfectly legal.

Sorry, but this is just plain wrong.  BATF regulations state that *any*
sound supression device for *any* type of "gun" (any power source - air,
explosive, human, ...) is illegal unless specifically approved.  This is a
federal regulation, not something that is up to the states.  Now I don't
want to turn this into a long discussion, as there is virtually no chance
anyone is going to get into any real trouble from making a paintball
silencer themselves (unless they start selling them), but realize that
anything to do with the term "gun" has about 17000 pages of federal
regulations around it (before the states even get to deal with it).  Ask a
local gun dealer about silencers and watch their reaction.

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From: postmaster@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (Software John)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:10:38 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday September 02 1992 03:40, Tad Simmons wrote to All:

 TS> Now, this is a scary thought.  Something like this had to happen though.
 TS> We've gone from (essentially) bolt action weapons and grenades to semis
 TS> and Paint Bazookas.  The next logical step is the heavy full-automatic
 TS> and field artillery.

Wow, the field artilllery idea is awesome! We should start with a mortar
first, its more portable and will test the fire control concepts more easily.
One of the problems with artillery, of course, is you need air observation
to make it work in the modern battlefield, since things move so fast. :-)
Another problem with artillery is age-old: if captured, it becomes your
worst nightmare. Ouch!

Tad, its an interesting thought that paintball weapons might follow the
historical evolution of military weapons. How's this for an idea: in the
21st century, when two Nations (or two peoples within a Nation) wish to
settle a dispute that historically would have led to bloodshed, they each
field a 150 man team and engage in a 24 hour Big Game. At the end of 24
hours, the team with the most points wins.

Naw, I guess that would be too civilized, eh? :-(

I'm still dreaming of a full auto paintball gun, one with a link belt ball
feed from a hip pack, maybe even a minigun, as long as it can be carried
easily enough. What a terror it would be in the Speedball arena! :-)

John

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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:57:55 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Aug25.204736.6445@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>I saw an ad in one of the PB magazines about three years ago for 
>something like this.  It was a modification of a CO2 powered "stun
>gun", a device that fired a heavy bean bag-like projectile with
>enough force to knock a person down, or at least make them think
>about going down.  It looked really clumsy.  If only someone 
>would scale down those "discarding sabot paintball launchers",
>those big bazooka things being advertised in _APG_, that would

>Steven Deemer             "They say a boy should tire of being a creep and
>stedee@auto-trol.COM       should sit quietly and ask Respectability to

	Is that how those things are supposed to work?  I always thought they 
were a shotgun type setup.  Then again, I never DID see one in real life...
I DID see approx. what I described on the back of an OLD issue of APG.  What
would be REALLY cool would be one of these things mounted under a full auto
paintgun.  The result would lack finnese, but finese matters little when
your picking geletain shards off your clothes.
	This brings me back to my original question: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
SMG-60?  And it corralary: Are there any other full auto paintguns on the
market?

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Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:56:23 GMT
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Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764


	Please define "silencer" then.  It must not be "any object intended
or capable of reducing the report of a firearm" which is a definition I have
in mind.

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From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
Keywords: paintball
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:57:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <roeschmf.714460231@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Martin F. Roesch) writes:
>tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:
>
>
>>Hi, I am interested in designing a paintball gun, just for fun.  Since, I am
>>very inexperienced in the sport of paintball.  I am looking for input from the
>>experienced players.  What is your idea of the perfect paintball gun???  What
>>options would you have on the paintball gun.  Please feel free to get technical
>>Any advice and comments is greatly appreciated!!!!!
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>  Ok, you asked for it.  My ultimate fantasy gun is a six barrel Gatling 
>configuration.  My friends and I decided that at 3 R.P.S., you would get a
>rate of fire to keep semi people's heads down.  The loading would be done
>by centripetal force of the barrels rotating, and some sort of gas 
>system would have to be developed.  A cam would cock and fire each of the 
>barrels as it went through its cycle.  Sound hideous?  Tripod, 1000 round
>ammo hopper and 50 oz CO2 tank is optional.  The barrels would be rotated by
>some type of electric motor, most likely.  You wouldn't be able to move fast,
>but God help anyone who gets in your way...
>
>    Marty

   Funny, I've been thinking the same thing. I figured that
the gun should have a belt feed which conveys tubes filled
with 10 paintballs. The tubes would be open on both ends
and be just tight enough to hold the paintballs. The tube
would act as a firing chamber, much as the inside end
of most barrels does. This would mean that the gun would
fire 10 balls / shot and would thus require a much lower
ROF. The tubes/ammo belt would be held in backpack and
the electric motor would be required to move it along as well.
One thing, a device that would require this level of
timing would probably require a purpose built computer
to keep it organized, better expect the top half of the back-
pack to be a battery.

   Just a bit of fantasizing :)
>
>


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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:47:36 GMT

In article <7514@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>
>Alterately, how about a gun-'o-death that can be mounted under a 
>normal rifle, ala the M203 grenade launcher the U.S. Army is so fond of?
>
Now, this would be cool.

I saw an ad in one of the PB magazines about three years ago for 
something like this.  It was a modification of a CO2 powered "stun
gun", a device that fired a heavy bean bag-like projectile with
enough force to knock a person down, or at least make them think
about going down.  It looked really clumsy.  If only someone 
would scale down those "discarding sabot paintball launchers",
those big bazooka things being advertised in _APG_, that would
be a kick.

"Knock, knock!"
THOOOM! THUD!
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From: bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents Predators?
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:10:14 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department, CMT Group

In article <92241.004142U53306@uicvm.uic.edu> U53306@uicvm.uic.edu (DMc) writes:
>I think vents kicks butt over X-fire.  but I think Scott kicks butt over
>vents.
>
>Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty-zodiac@nova.novanet.org>

Why do you think Scott is better ?, I have JT Snappers which with Anti-Fog
spray (every game) don't fog, and I huff and puff alot.  I have seen the 
Vents and have seen balls bounce off them, I also would think that they are
cooler (temp)  plus they have the neck protection that Scotts don't.

Bjs

P.S. Seems like now that schools back in this newsgroup is picking up.  
     Keep it up.



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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:48:51 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <jbkn+#g@lynx.unm.edu> jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground)) writes:
> 
>    I have tried to find a local supplier to do something
>like prescription pb goggle lenses. no luck so far. If
>you actually do (it looks like you're not serious), please
>post and let us know.
>
	I don't see why this couldn't be done.  There are perscription
SCUBA masks...  Have you looked in like Pearle Vision Centre and other houses
of perscription lenses?

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From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: Paintball players arrested
Keywords: police, legal, illegal
Organization: Headland Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:08:44 GMT

in an article blatter@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter) writes:

>The cops arrived on the place equipped with bulletproof vests and
>snipers after they have been called by neighbours who heard shooting 
>sounds in the forest.
>Now for my questions:
>
>- Is Switzerland the only country in the world disallowing paintball
>  games? How is the legal situation in other countries?
>
>- Are paintball guns (legally) treated as weapons or toys in your
>  country?
>
>- Is there an internatinal organization supporting paintball players 
>  who are threatened by a lawsuit?
>

      There are many countries where paintball is not legal.  In the US
   it is generally legal with some restrictions.  From the first
   paragraph I infer that the people were not playing on an established
   field and probably didn't have the owners permission to be playing.
   Here in the state of Calif USA you could easily find yourself 
   surrounded by police in full riot gear if you did this.  You might
   even be charged with 1 or more crimes of various severity. Basic
   moral is play only on established fields or fields where you have
   the landowners express permission to play.  POST some kind of notice
   so locals won't freak and call for help.  Our sport looks VERY 
   menacing(sp) to the uninitiated.

      Paintball guns are treated differently in different states. 
   In Calif they were treated as guns until recently when they 
   (I think) were placed in a special class with air guns (BB guns).
   In Calif (maybe a federal law) they can't be toys as toy guns must
   NOT LOOK LIKE real guns.  They must be brightly colored and MUST
   have the barrel permanently and obviously plugged.  Kinda hard to
   propel a paintball thru a permanent barrel plug :).  
   
      The IPPA (Internatinal Paintball Players Assoc.) does try to
   provide some assistance in these matters.  How helpfull they can
   be overseas (they are based in Calif) I don't know but here is
   a contact path.

        IPPA
        P.O. Box 90051
        Los Angeles, CA 90009
        PH# 619)695-8882  (inside USA.  I don't know the Country access code)

        PH# 310)322-3107  (This is apparently the number for a lawer who
                           Strongly supports paintball.  Her name is
                           Jessica Sparks.)
    
            Info on IPPA above from pg 52 of "Paint Check" mag Sept-91
            calling the number listed (310) got Jessica's answering machine
            which then gave me the new number (619).  Due to the nature
            of your request I thought that both numbers might be useful.



    Hope this helps
         -Rich-
From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: 68 Automag?
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:54:49 GMT


 I am thinking of buying a 68 Automag.  From what I hear the bugs have finially
been worked out.  Before I spend that kind of money I want to be sure it's what
I expect and that I also don't spend a lot on accessories I don't need.  As far
as I know here are my options:
1) Buy a stock level 7.
2) Buy a level 7 with a power feed and crown point barrel.
3) #1 and replace barrel with a smart parts (or other?).
4) #2 and replace with smart parts (Can't really afford this option unless
someone convinces me it's a must.
5) I already have a C/A bottle, but is an anti-siphon or liquid control valve
necessary?  If so which is better?
6) Convert to bottom line or have a long line running from gun to bottle on
belt/back.

I Guess what I'm asking is for your experiences and recommandations.  Are there
other options?  Is the power feed really worth it?  Which barrel works best? 
Where can I get the best price and what should I pay?

I know I'm asking a lot, but I will appreciate any response.

Walt Edwards
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:44:22 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Aug28.162138.21888@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>Switching to contacts isn't a practical
>solution for everyone since contacts don't correct for astigmatism.  :-(
>
>-- 
>HenryC@Panix.Com

	You sure about that?  I have mild astigmatism yet wear contacts.  
They correct as well as the glasses I must somtimes wear (problems with an
eyelid)

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