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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" and Romulans at Starfleet.
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:36:38 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <6577@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, chow@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Elvin Chou) writes:
> Was that a Vulcan Star Fleet officer on the accident review board/investigation
> committee?  My roommate said he had too much inflection in his voice for a 
> Vulcan.  Perhaps a Romulan spy at Star Fleet Academy?

No, just another guy who doesn't know how to act Vulcan.  (Celia Lovsky, Arlene
Martel, Mark Lenard . . *sigh*.)  Those were believable Vulcans. 
-- 

       ---------------------------------------------------------
               Lorna Payne
               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
       ---------------------------------------------------------
         You are not Morg.  You are not Eymorg.  What are you?
       ---------------------------------------------------------
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 12:00:49 CDT
From: Habeeb Jad Dihu <U53475@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TOS Trek

Hello all,

I haven't posted to RAS* in a while so here it goes:

There is now in existance a MUSE - Multi User Simulated Environment - game
based on the Original Series and the movies.  This is a MUD style game.  A
MUD is simply an environment where one can interact with others and enjoy
the surroundings.  In our MUSE we try to better the Star Trek phenomenon and
live up to it's tradition and history.  Our MUSE takes place AFTER Star Trek VI
and continues the saga from there.  We do not use any history as given in TNG
and instead follow our own history.  THere are many things to do, from
exploring planets to fighting battles.  THe attempt is made to make this as
realistic as possible.

There is also in existance another fine MUSE based on the Next Generation.  It
follows that aspect of the saga and also offers MANY MANY fine things.

Come and see both of the MUSEs and have some FUN!

Address for TOS TrekMUSE is:

Numerics:  149.142.136.3
Name:  blazer.med.ucla.edu
Port:  1701

Address for TNG TrekMUSE is:

Numerics:  18.80.0.247
Name:  excalibur.mit.edu
Port:  1701

If you need any help getting started on either MUSE just page me on either
TOS or TNG TrekMUSE and I will do the best I can.  My character name on BOTH
MUSEs is MacGyver.

Habeeb Dihu aka MacGyver (co-owner of TOS TrekMUSE)
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:05:00 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <31597@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>>>I'm
>>>not sure I understand Berman et al's reasoning that all TNG season
>>>enders _must_ be cliffhangers.  If ya don't have one, why force one? 
> 
> They're running out of script ideas.  They end the season with a
> cliff-hanger whose conclusion is not yet written, and then they read
> the newsgroup over the summer for story ideas.  :-)

And pick the worst ones.  Or at least the ones we all hate the most.

I *still* think Sela is just a blonde Romulan with a face-lift and a
ridiculous story.
-- 

       ---------------------------------------------------------
               Lorna Payne
               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
       ---------------------------------------------------------
         You are not Morg.  You are not Eymorg.  What are you?
       ---------------------------------------------------------
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 18:58:53 CDT
From: Habeeb Jad Dihu <U53475@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TOS Trek


>
> Address for TOS TrekMUSE is:
>
> Numerics:  149.142.136.3
> Name:  blazer.med.ucla.edu
> Port:  1701
>
> Address for TNG TrekMUSE is:
>
> Numerics:  18.80.0.247
> Name:  excalibur.mit.edu
> Port:  1701
>
If you have trouble connecting to the site using the NAME try the
NUMERIC address instead.  You stand a much better chance of being able
to connect if you do.  Just a little public service message.

Habeeb Dihu aka MacGyver

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:12:52 GMT

ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
 > The emphasis is on the refusal to give in no matter the odds.

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
 > That's not an "I will not fail".  That's an "I will not give up"; and I 
 > find that an admirable quality most of the time.  The "I will not fail"
 > is adolescent arrogance at its worst.

OK, assuming for a moment that you're right: give us an example
of Kirk taking on something that's way over his head, ignoring
all warnings, and just foolishly bulling ahead.

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From: huggins@z.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins)
Subject: Re: Wes, Wes, Wes (minor First Duty spoilers)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.021243.7884@news.iastate.edu> slappy@iastate.edu (Rodney G Zenner) writes:

|By the way, what was the deal when Picard was talking to Dr. Bev after
|he was notified about the accident?  Did she give herself a sedative, or
|what?  I bet she keeps a hypo-spray of sodium pentothal in her desk
|drawer.

Nope -- just a worried mom trying to maintain her cool after hearing that
her son could've been killed in a Starfleet accident just as her husband
did.  I found her pre-occupation with details and keeping calm quite
reasonable for someone who's trying to act like a professional, even though
she really wants to react in quite a different fashion ...

-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          huggins@eecs.umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
                                                          -- W. Bingham Hunter
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From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What happens to BOSEMAN now in TNG-Time Line?
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 02:31:10 EDT
Organization: Lost In Space

jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:

> From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
> >
> > Surviving into the future (via suspended animation) and travel into the
> > future (via a "time machine") are very different.  In the former, the
> > traveler never leaves his time line; he just sleeps during the years
> > between his departure and destination.  In the latter, the traveler
> > actually jumps from one point on the time line to another, resulting in
> > a discontinuity that can change the history of the people in the future.
>
> This appears to be true in the Star Trek universe -- see the opening teaser o
> "Yesterday's Enterprise" (which, imho, would have been better if it had simpl
> opened on the "still at war with Klingons" version of the -D).
>
> However, in "the real world", I don't see this.  Suppose I steal a suspended
> animation unit, power pack, and time capsule, move them to a secret cave in t
> mountains, and *without telling anybody*, "cold sleep" for a hundred years or
> so.  The effect on the time line is *exactly* the same as if I walk into a
> forward-only time machine, set the dials for "+100 years", and press "start":
> and my equipemnt have disappeared for 100 years, as far as the rest of the
> universe is concerned.
[...]
> If you're going to postulate that the very appearance of an object "out the
> future end" of a time warp really would cause changes in the past, unlike the
> discovery of an object that's simply been lost for a while... just as was sho
> in "Yesterday's Enterprise'... well, I can't refute that, but you can't prove
> it either.  :-)

After thinking on this a bit more, I've come up with the following theory:
A person who travels forward in time, by whatever means, always arives at
his destination in a time line consistent with his departure.  Whether or
not this is the "correct" time line can only be determined by a being with
a non-linear sense of time (like Guinan).  This neatly covers the Bozeman,
Rassmussen, and the Enterprise-C.  All three emerged from their time warps
into a time line in which they had disappeared x years earlier.  In the
case of Ras and the Bozeman, the time line they ended up in was also the
"correct" time line ('cause we weren't told otherwise :-).  In "YE" we,
the viewers, were given Guinan's non-linear time sense, and so we knew
that the E-C had emerged in the "wrong" time line.  Take Guinan away, and
no one on the E-D would know that history was supposed to have happened
differently; to them everything was perfectly normal.

In short, I agree that travel forward in time causes no paradoxes when
you are dealing with linear time.  A paradox can still occur, but only
a being that can sense non-linear time would be able to detect it.

--
Tony DeBari          INET: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

"First things first ... but not necessarily in that order" - The Doctor
From: FisKer@cup.portal.com (Scott M Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New TOS Book, "The Disinherited" info
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:49:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa


I agree, the inside blurb is what got me to buy the book. It's a quick
read; I found it entertaining.
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Troi's mother and Alexandra
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:16:02 GMT


AAAAUUUUGHHH!!!! Does this mean we'll see the little runt in future
PAD novels? That's it. That's the last PAD novel I buy. (.5 :-)


In article <57507@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>RE:  Alexander and the "cliched" concept of his not getting along with his
>father...
>
>I'm sure you're all speaking from your wealth of child-rearing experience
>here.  As for me, the idea of a child who shows up on the Enterprise and is
>defiant, and two months later is *still* defiant, is absolutely true to 
>life.  More true to life, in fact, than most other things on Trek wherein
>it always seems that character faults are "solved" within an episode or
>two at most.  

It may well be true to life but being "true to life" doesn't make it
interesting.


>Sure he's obnoxious.  So's his father.  To me, it's refreshing to finally 
>see a character in a totally different situation and relationship, and one
>that's not tied off neatly in time of a preview for next week's episode
>wherein the exact same thing will happen, more or less.

Sounds good in the abstract. Unfortunately, I find this particular
character poorly done. I find him cliche, lacking in depth and poorly
played. It's difficult to get interested in his faults or his relationship
with Worf when the character itself is such a cardboard cutout. 



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::::::::::.: :::::::.:::::::::::.:::::: :?.:::::..::::.:.::
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TNG Lifelines: From "Yesterday's Enterprise" To "The First Duty" --
  "Prior to Starfleet Academy commencement ceremonies, an in-flight
   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar. 28 - Apr. 3
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr6.233609.9423
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92097.131716PARRISH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, PARRISH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes...
>In article <1992Apr5.001453.27100@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
>v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) says:
>>
>> (some previous stuff deleted)
>>
>>     The loyalty inspired by Locarno is definitely of the same type
>>     Kirk inspired in his people
>>
>     Kirk inspired loyalty from strong-willed individuals who would
>often disagree with him.  Locarno inspired guilt and fear from a
>bunch of spineless underclasspersons.

     You've got a distorted view of the TOS supporting cast.  Yes, McCoy
     constantly disagreed with Kirk, and Spock did in a quieter way,
     but that's because (back to the first argument) Kirk was a fly-by-the
     seat-of-the-pants risk taker whose first impression was often the
     lucky one or the wrong one.  

     More importantly: the loyalty incident I assume you're referring
     to is Star Trek III, when Spock was still dead and McCoy was the
     reason they were stealing the Enterprise.  The only loyalty shown
     came from Chekov, Uhura, Scotty and Sulu -- strong wills?  Where?
     Show me.

     Sounds like this thread has struck a liiiiiitttttttleee defensive
     nerve in some people, huh?


          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
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Subject: Re: first duty(Ent. Weekly pic)
From: arang@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:25:30 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr11.3208.3653@dosgate>, bernie.wong@canrem.com (bernie wong) writes:
> KB>A few weeks ago on Good Morning America, they did a broadcast from the set o
>   >G. They showed a clip form the series which I did not, at the time recognize
>   >After viewing "First Duty', I realized that the clip was from this episode.
>   >Now my question: In the clip they showed on Good Morn. America, there was a
>   >Female Klingon in a Starfleet uniform. On "First Duty", this same clip did n
>   >ppear, but in the background of one of the scenes in the hearing room, I bel
>   >I saw this same female Klingon in a Starfleet uniform. Did anyone else notic
>   >is?
> 
> I did not see Good Morning America (I'm Canadian!  :-)) but I did read
> this magazine.  I think it was called Entertainment Weekly.  Anyways,
> that week they did a profile on the upcoming episode The First Duty.
> And for the cover page they had this large two page pinnout out of a
> quite zit-faced Wesley kissing a female Klingon (both in Academy
> uniforms).  But you're right, I never saw this in the episode.  I can't
> confirm whether she was in the hearing room or not, but I'll check!


I don't know if anyone has updated this yet or not.  Entertainment Weekly
labeled the picture as the people being two extras on the set.  No
mention with Wil Wheaton was made.  While granted it does look awfully
like him.

-Amy Rang
Wright State University

"It may be dark but it's seldom empty."
From: jtrue@acpub.duke.edu (john)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: IA apology
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:17:56 GMT

My deepest apologies for responding to the Asimov thread last week without
having heard about his death.  I have been buried in lab work
for the past few weeks and unexposed to major news sources.  (Also, the 
USENET news service in these parts has been slow of late.)

I feel a great sense of loss at the passing of this great pioneer of SF.  
The Robots and Foundation series were among my first and most lasting
experiences of SF and helped form the way I think about the future and
my place in it.

Isaac Asimov will be missed.  He has left the genre a great legacy.  And 
we truly may not ever look up on his like again.

john
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Another flaw in "Cause and Effect"?
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Apr7.001953.4375
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>Can anyone rationalize the chronology here? Or is it just a slip,

Hmmm. How about this:

When Beverly calls the meeting early, she and the crew knowingly alter the
course of the time line just a bit, as a few minutes are not much to gawk
about, but when the E was destroyed after that timeline, the LAST timeline
was repeated. This leads to thinking that the last timeline is always
repeated, allowing suttle changes to creep into them, such as the voices,
the deja'vu, etc....

Dave
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Asimov's cameo lost, too :-(
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:07:21 GMT

In article <65062@apple.Apple.COM> John_Jenkins@taligent.com (John H. Jenkins) writes:
>
>Well, they would have had to drag him off to LA first.  Since he wouldn't
>fly, disliked travel in general, and was in poor health for the last few
>years, it would have been a long shot at best.
>
>It would have been nice, though.  

If they really wanted to do it, it would have been possible for the mountain
to come to Mohammed... just ship Brent Spiner, an under-assistant-director,
and some others to NY to meet him.  I'm sure they could find a suitable
place for filming there (perhaps the holodeck recreates Asimov's home?)
Sure, it would be a very expensive scene, but <IMHO> well worth it.

Of course, it's too late now.  
-- 
        Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche.
                      hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
                      Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: New Kids onthe Block and Jeremy
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:17:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: noiro.29EB4BED.28112
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <92105.103353AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>
>if you are with me, please respond.  I hope I am not
>the only one out there who hates these pre-puberty,
>New Kids on the Block loving brats.
>
>Jeremy

Oh, Jeremy.  Admit it.  Stand up and say it proudly:

"My name is Jeremy, and I have a New Kids on the Block
CD hidden behind the toilet tank."

Doesn't that feel better, now.  You're okay, Jeremy.
And thank you for sharing that.

Regards,
your New Age therapist
From: bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:12:57 GMT
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA

In article <1992Apr6.194439.6537@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
>
>Isaac Asimov died this morning , April 6, 1992 A.D.
>
>WHo's left?
>-- 

Just Arthur (at least out of the 4 authors who made it into Encyclopaedia
Britannica).  Just read an editorial of his in IASFM in which he said he
was feeling poorly - didn't know how prophetic it was (sigh).

Bryan
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.011803.13363@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
> > The way it worked is that Kirk refused to accept the "no-win"
> > scenario.  He took the test once.  He lost the simulation.
> > Rather then accept there is no way to win, he thought of it as
> > a giant videogame, where there must be *a* correct answer.  He
> > asked, and then took it a second time.  After being destroyed
> > again, the academy folks probably said "Look Kirk, you can
> > take this as many times as you want, but you'll NEVER win."
> > Kirk refused to accept this.  He refused to accept that there
> > are some situations which he could not triumph over.  Thus,
> > the third time and the re-programming.
>
>How about this interpretation: Kirk thought the situation as
>presented wasn't really a no-win situation, and thought that if
>the situation were real there ought to be a way a cagey starship
>captain could to get out of it.  And so he wanted to try out his
>theories.  Finally when he realized that the simulation was
>flawed, he fixed it so that it would accurately simulate reality.
>Kirk then retook the test and won.
>
>It's not Kirk's fault if the simulation programmers didn't do
>their job properly.  Given a truly unbeatable enemy Kirk would
>back down as quickly as any man.  You didn't see him trying to
>attack V'ger did you?

But the simulation programmers *did* do their job properly.

Under the scenario *as written*, nobody, not Kirk, not Ulysses S. Grant,
not Garth of Izar, not Abraham Lincoln, *nobody* could defeat the program.
No matter what moves the commander makes, there are always more and more
of the enemy hiding behind the next star, and the only possible outcome
is the destruction of the ship.

Kirk cheated.  Period.  Possibly the first in a long string of "Kirk destroys
computer" stories. :-)  But he never learned the lesson the simulation was
supposed to teach!

As far as "not attacking V'ger", that certainly wasn't the no-win situation
either.  He didn't go in phasers blasting, as three destroyed Klingon
vessels demonstrated the futility of that maneuver.   However, by the time
came to "fire or not fire" inside the device/organism, Spock had already
learned the nature of the beast through the meld.  Not really an applicable
situation.  A much better one would've been Kirk vs. 6 Borg cubes, something
he couldn't bluff his way out of.

<ESC>

-- 
I want a short-haired girl (who) sometimes wears it twice as long
                                               -- George Harrison

                                
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From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Subject: Re: Name for Kirk
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Keywords: a e i o and u
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:04:50 GMT


In article <1992Apr10.140241.6709@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, jkramer@sunwise.UWaterloo.ca (Viscous Pig Dog) writes:
|> 
|> ... there is actually evidence, 'The Search for Eden' that shows that Kirk
|> dislikes those who don't show the 'proper' respect for
|> authority.  (Now that I think of it the hippies in the Search for Eden
|> had the right name for Kirk, I just can't remember what it was.)
|> 
|> Jeff Kramer.
|> 
 Herbert. Named for a low level functionary known for his
rigid way of thinking.

-- 
 Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: those things on their belts
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:55:48 GMT

hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick) writes:

>>    enterprise goes back to tasha's home planet, when tasha's sister was
>>    beaming down to the colony to help rescue the crewmen,  she had on a
>>    blue jumpsuit with matching blue phaser holster.  how nice, they must

>Who noticed the holster ???

>Sorry, just an avid Linda Hamilton fan. ;-)

Shame it wasn't Linda Hamilton then... :)
-- 
==============================================================================
#include <std/disclaimer.h>

                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 711.4
          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

       "If we took the bones out, it wouldn't be crunchy now would it?"
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