HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TEFFTA@TSENGR.dnet.ge.com (Andrew Tefft)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: PS to mousetext & hyperc
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:00:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

This is interesting...

If I print two mousetext chars as the first two in the string,
with no trailing newline, they show up properly.

Then as soon as I hit return, the first character is changed to inverse
uppercase.

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate (was Re: Bilestoad)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:41:43 GMT

fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:

>bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>>   The lost profits argument is valid.  It's like saying, well, these
>> people now have this software.  If they have it on their computer, and
>> use it, that's lost profits to the company whether the jackass pirate
>> had the money to pay for it or not.

>    The lost profits argument is vapor, because you don't have any objec-
>tive handle on what your stolen program is really worth (as opposed to the
>price you arbitrarily stick on it.)  There's nothing to keep you from
>setting the price of your shareware program at one billion dollars U.S. per
>copy, and then claiming one billion bucks of lost profit each time it gets
>pirated.  You can work yourself into a lather over this ("I could have been
>as rich as Bill Gates!  I could have been as rich as Scrooge McDuck! But the
>damn pirates stole my fortune!") but this rests on two false assumptions:

>   1) You assume your program is in fact worth whatever you say it's worth,
>      so if you decide you're losing twenty bucks per piracy then you really
>      are, or if you decide you're losing a billion bucks per piracy then
>      that's your true economic loss also.

  If someone doesn't think a program is worth the sticker price, that
*DOES NOT* give them the right to pirate it.  Capitalism works because
someone either thinks a product is worth a certain amount, and purchases
it, or they think it _isn't_ worth a certain amount, and they don't
purchase it.  If a particular company is having a hard time selling a
product, they lower the price to try to increase sales.  Any Econ 101
textbook will tell you that.
  It's simple- if you use software and do not pay for it, you're
committing a crime.  Perhaps this personally incriminates you, causing
you discomfort.  Not my problem, and not an excuse to pirate.
  I tell you what.  Everyone knows Porsches are overpriced.  If you _truly_
believe what you're saying as regards to piracy, go out and steal
a Porsche.  After all, it's got an arbitrary sticker price, right? After
all, it's not hurting Porsche Co because you'd never have paid them
anyway, right?  No argument in favor of piracy can fly.

>   2) You assume that each piracy equates to a lost sale, at your arbitrary
>      price, and that in every case the program would have been purchased
>      if it hadn't been cloned.

  Arbitrary price? I think not.  We priced GNO *very* fairly, and any of
our customers will tell you that.  Nintendo cartridges are (IMHO)
priced excessively.  However, IIgs games that cost half what a NES
game does get pirated, simply because it's possible.  THIS DOES NOT
MAKE IT RIGHT.

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 bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu         |   P.O Box 620334
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From: bkogawa@pro-apa.cts.com (Bryan Ogawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: To Jawaid Bazyar...
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:34:45 GMT

I recently emailed you a message concerning your porting of Scheme to the
IIgs...Did you recieve it? The mailserver here is flaky and I don't know if
the message got out, (or if the message got it).
If you did recieve it, could you email me? If it bounced, or you didn't
email to me, could you email to bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com
Thanks!
bryan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: isc10327@nusunix3.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: Music Contruction set to Soundsmith
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:32:50 GMT

Re: Kim Brennan
--------------

Drats!  Another classic example of piracy eroding the Apple IIgs market.
Those jokers who released the SoundSmith beta version ought to be shot!
What a pity that SoundSmith will never be finished.....sigh!

- DOTW - :(
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: multi-tasking GNO
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:09:18 PST
Organization: BBS

>szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) recently wrote...
>
>Uhm... not to start a flame war or anything, but next time try to quote
>the article # and poster that you refer from. (/I/ knew who you were talking
>to, because I wrote that, but other people might be clueless)

Okay, got your name up there now...

>But to introduce a new resource... I don't see that ever happening. What
>about all the programs that have already been declared over and done with
>(like Appleworks GS)?

Well, I don't think you read my original post thoroughly ( sp?! ), or maybe it
was because my post wasn't clear enough.

Okay, let's first give the Init/NDA a name.  How about, "Master Juggler IIgs",
since it playing around with memory and applications.  The proposed new
resource type "rMemSize" will be created and maintained by MJ.  MJ will attach
rMemSize to selected applications, making it switchable if MJ is active.  If MJ
is not present, I am sure other applications will mess with the rMemSize
resource.

Now that I have better understanding of bank 0 memory... I still think MJ is a
workable idea.  While bank 0 memory is precious, sharing it with 3 or 4
applications should be no problem.

I will try to summerize it again later.  Too sleepy right now...

Later!!

frank m. lin
internet: fmlin@terapin.com
symmetrix...
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Fast Zips
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:19:58 GMT

There is a timing loop which uses the clock on the ZipGS to calibrate and
time the ZipGS.  It calculates the speed fairly accurately, but the faster
the Zip, the worse the results (the error is still in the fractions of a
megahertz, though, in the 10MHz).

- Eric S.

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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: comp.sources.apple2
Summary: Questions
Keywords: comp.sources.apple2
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:59:37 GMT

Well, every once in a while I try to get into comp.sources.apple2, and for
the first time, I was able to get into it today! :)

Is there some special procedure for posting sources there?  I noticed the
two posts there seem to be specially formatted, and I'm wondering if posts
need be formatted specially.

- Eric S.

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From: wrh@PHYSICS.WM.EDU (William Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Bilestoad Instructions?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:01:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


  All this talk about Bilestoad reminds me:
When we purchased our second IIGS (used), it came with many programs, including
a whole bunch of older DataMost games.  However, there are no instructions for
any of the games.  Bilestoad is among them.. I have an original disk, but no
instructions.  Is there any way to get the instructions for this game?
-- 
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                 |  hall@wmheg.physics.wm.edu  |  Department of Physics
                 |  wrhall@wmvm1.cc.wm.edu     |  Williamsburg, VA  23187-8795
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: The //, was (Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:50:52 GMT

In article <mvpm+=_.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:

[More re piracy, etc...]
>
>Apple is doing some strange things. There was a long debate which asked
>the quite reasonable question, why System 6.0?
>
>Why Apple continues to do development on a computer that they refuse
>to advertise and that most MAC dealers would probably be unable to order 
>is an open question.

Yes and an interesting one. There are, in my view, 2 very good reasons. The
first is the installed base in schools. That's probably the reason for 
the Ethernet card, HCGS, etc...and in large part System6.0 . In addition
each system upgrade has tied the GS closer to the Mac to the point where
it makes more sense to complement GS's with LC's than with PC's.

Another reason, I feel, is that Apple does not want someone building a
system along the lines of the GS, but with improved graphics and speed etc...,
and keeping the GS on the price lists helps their case in going after any
clones.

The 65816 processor is taking on the 68k in game consoles and is in the 
process of dominating the market. There has been an incredible surge of
SNES sales recently as compared to the Sega Genesis. Moreover, in January
Nintendo will release its joint ventured (with Philips) CD-I compatible
reader for around $200 [Note I did not say CD-ROM.]. Thus for $300 people
will have an amazing CD-I, Kodak Photo CD, etc...system which will also
play SNES games and sw. The initial run is said to be 300k units/month. This
has to have someone at Apple thinking. Basically, if the Avatar were to 
come to be, why on earth would anybody get a Mac, PC, etc...

The Mac and the PC are general workhorse computers. They get the job done,
but they are basically dull. The gaming, entertainment, information, etc...
revolution that will come with the SNES CD-I drive has everyone thinking
twice. Forget about CD-ROM based stuff. It's never been successful 
except for distributing OS's and causing my NeXT's M.O. to be obsolete, a
move which NeXT will one day regret.
 
The home market is potentially enormous. A computer such as the Avatar could
be an incredible success. What I'm saying is that CD's are going to enter
the home, but not via CDTV (which I have), CD-I from Philips (too expensive)
but via the SNES and its $200 CD-I compatible unit.
 
Apple messed up with the GS. The LC/LCII will never be an enormous success.
It will do well, but just think of developers with potential makets of
500,000+ for SNES games, and no pirating ( or very little).
 
The GS could ride the wave of success of the SNES CD-I unit. Apple knows
this. So does Bill H. 
 
What I am saying is that virtually every home will have a SNES/CD-I unit.
Should they need a computer it could be an inexpensive clone or the
Avatar. It won't be a Mac.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate (was Re: Bilestoad)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>   The lost profits argument is valid.  It's like saying, well, these
> people now have this software.  If they have it on their computer, and
> use it, that's lost profits to the company whether the jackass pirate
> had the money to pay for it or not.
>
> ....
>
>  I tell you what, Rich.  You try being a software publisher sometime.
> Piracy will become _very_ important you you when every illegal copy
> means someone reaching into your pocket and stealing $20.


    The lost profits argument is vapor, because you don't have any objec-
tive handle on what your stolen program is really worth (as opposed to the
price you arbitrarily stick on it.)  There's nothing to keep you from
setting the price of your shareware program at one billion dollars U.S. per
copy, and then claiming one billion bucks of lost profit each time it gets
pirated.  You can work yourself into a lather over this ("I could have been
as rich as Bill Gates!  I could have been as rich as Scrooge McDuck! But the
damn pirates stole my fortune!") but this rests on two false assumptions:

   1) You assume your program is in fact worth whatever you say it's worth,
      so if you decide you're losing twenty bucks per piracy then you really
      are, or if you decide you're losing a billion bucks per piracy then
      that's your true economic loss also.

   2) You assume that each piracy equates to a lost sale, at your arbitrary
      price, and that in every case the program would have been purchased
      if it hadn't been cloned.


    The truth (to take the assumptions in reverse order) is that you have
*no idea* whether 1000 piracies cause 1000 lost sales, or 10 lost sales,
or no lost sales.  You'd *like to think* that every piracy equals a lost
sale but we don't get to base rational arguments on wishful thinking (if
we don't want to attract smirks and giggles, anyway.)
    The other truth is that the actual economic value of a pirated pro-
gram has virtually no relation to the program's arbitrary sticker price.
Do you want to know the *real* value of your shareware program?  Just take
the amount of money the program has *actually earned for you* and divide
that by the number of copies floating around.  *That* is the value of
each copy, and your true economic loss each time it gets cloned.  In
the case of most shareware we're talking a few hundredths of a cent per
copy here: the *true* lost profit, as opposed to the author/publisher's
*imagined* lost profit.
                                                -- jf
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: isc10327@nusunix3.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate (was Re: Bilestoad)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:29:28 GMT

Look guys, let's stop attacking one another regarding this Piracy
Debate.  Whatever is said, piracy is killing the Apple II line!  It's
small wonder the s/w publishers dropped the Apple II from their line.
Just think a minute:

	There are around 1 million Apple IIGS systems in the world.  If
only say 0.001% (?!!?) of 1 million pay for original s/w, the publisher
would get (say at $20 per game), 0.001 * 1,000,000 * 20 = $20,000!  Now,
comparatively, on the IBM PC side, there are around 80 million clones +
Blues around the world.  Even if only 0.001% pay for original s/w, the
publisher will be getting 0.001 * 80,000,000 * 20 = $1,600,000!!

Just ask yourself.  If you're the publisher, which side would you go?!!
And I personally think that 0.001% of 1 million (= 1,000) IIGS users
paying for original s/w is quite a feat!  Just ask Stephen Chiang how
many users actually bought his DreamGrafix or ask Jawaid/Tim Meekins how
many actually bought GNO!

So the final line is this:  If we want our Apple IIGS to survive and
thrive in this Big Blue infested world, then stop pirating and start
paying for original s/w!

- DOTW -
From: taob@generic.UUCP (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Proterm 3.0 ASCII send
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:29:12 GMT
Reply-To: taob@generic.UUCP (Brian Tao)
Organization: Terra*Net Technologies Corp Toronto


    I've encountered a couple of odd problems with Proterm 3.0:

1)  ASCII Send from the editor (Apple-D) sometimes sends along the AppleWorks
    3.0 ruler (looks like ".RtL-----|----|----|----|-- etc." along with the
    rest of the text.  The highlighted portion in the editor does not show
    this header, nor is the file even an AppleWorks file.  Related problem:
    sometimes the AppleWorks header is saved even when I select the text
    file type.

2)  I can't figure this one out:  I've downloaded several large GIF's (all
    over 300K) from different systems during the past week.  All of them
    are corrupted at my end.  They are fine at the BBS end, so something
    must have screwed up during transit.  None of the GIF viewers I have
    will correctly decode the files.  However, large ShrinkIt files come
    across uncorrupted.  What's going on here?
-- 
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Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Max ProTERM speed (never mind)
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:46:58 GMT
Reply-To: fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

It seems that our UNIX host is unwilling to ship characters faster than
about 2700cps.  I was actually able to force it to u/l a Zmodem transfer
at 3276cps using the same set of parameters I was using for the d/l.

Note that the 57.6K port setting didn't really make much of a difference
(it shouldn't given the circumstances, except right after RTS goes high).

Got kind of spooky at one point... the MR light went off.  Apparently this
happens when the modems retrain, including online fallback to a lower speed.
This was apparently caused by some people working on the modems at the
remote end.

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cd516@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed B Olson)
Subject: Imperium Programmers Guild
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:32:18 GMT


I don't know if you meant Imperium instead of Imperial 
programmers...  Anyway, if any of you saw the demo, I just heard
from the people who went to KFest (I couldn't go--I wrote the 
demo) that they made some major changes to it and basically 
screwed the whole thing up (They tore out the fast-loader...
incase you thought it was slow)...  Oh well... Don't think 
that's our best, please!!  Wait for the demo sometime this
winter.... 

Thanks for mentioning us... (BTW:  The Imperium Programmer's
Guild is a very small programming "club" hoping to figure
out everything there is to know about the GS so we can write
good software for it.  Anyways!)

Bridden <--The programmer of that demo
TigerSharke _
             \_ The guys who messed up the demo
CiderMan    _/      Death to them!!

eolson@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: HELP!  In need of a GS/OS guru!
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:02:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
: In article <1992Jul24.231745.8940@slate.mines.colorado.edu> gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC) writes:
: > gopher@bnr.ca (Jeff Robertson) writes:
: > : HELP!
: > : 
: >      The filetype of $05 is a pascal data file.
: 
: NO IT ISN'T!  Type $05 is an "extended" file, i.e. one with a resource
: fork.  Type $04 is a "pascal area".

     Sorry.  I thought he was talking about a file type of $05 not a
storage type.  Yes a storage type of $5 is an extended file.

: 
: David Empson
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                           GENIE:    G.Desrochers
 Any comments/complaints on Disk Witch tell me.  Apple II Forever!!
From: ba556@gnh-digibits.cts.com (Matthew McGehrin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:      Re: ProLine v2.0
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:17:30 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

David Green wrote :
 
>I recently was at Morgan's office to proofread the operator's manual
>for ProLine 2.0. ProLine _ISN'T_ being discontinued. There is another
>BBS called Prime, I believe, that has just been turned into a public
>domain program. It appears you got your rumors crossed. I'd watch that
>if I were you.
 
Watch out..another proline cop is on patrol..protecting nazi germany
from invasion. 
 

Internet : ba556@gnh-digibits.cts.com
    Uucp : crash!gnh-tff!gnh-digibits!ba556
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP (Austin Phelps)
Subject: Re: Apple II Display Quality
Reply-To: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:33:12 GMT
Keywords: Videx Videoterm

uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:

> Hmmm... I get the feeling I'm the only person in the universe who thinks the
> Apple II 80-column text screen is really wonderfully easy to read.  I prefer
> it over any IBM screen I've ever seen, over the Apple II 40-column text...

Nope, you are not the only one. I like my, except my monitor doesn't 
always work right (in the process of replacing)

Austin C. Phelps                bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP

"Let History Never Forget the Name Enterprise" Yesterday Enterprise
From: jasonp@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jason Perez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Hardware Hall of Fame
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:30:27 GMT
Reply-To: jasonp@gollum.UUCP (Jason Perez)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas


  hey, what about the MDIdeas SuperSonic Stereo+Digitizer card?!  i've had mine for over 4
yrs and have had no problems whatsoever.  the stereo sound is great (especially when piped
to a 130W amp) and the digitizing card works pretty good too (when you figure out the
optimum recording levels that is).

-- 
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From: baughmankr@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ?Laser Writer II Paper Jam light won't turn off?
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:25:04 EDT
Organization: Appalachian State University

A question from a colleague:

She has an Apple II GS computer to which a LaserWriter II is connected.
It feeds from a single-sheet tray.

This morning when they came to work and tried to print some material,
both the out of paper and paper jam lights are on & blinking and nothing they
do turns them off--not even manually feeding paper into the printer
and then turning the printer on.

With the lights on, each attempt to download the image writer emulator
hangs the computer.

FWIW, they're using Apple Works GS as a word processor but the problem
really appears to be in the printer.

An 800 call the Apple didn't help.  How about you guys?  Any hints?


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