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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:08:22 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Aug31.195125.23789@microsoft.com>, bethmo@microsoft.com (Beth
Moursund) writes:
>The majority of the conventions around here serve pop by the glass, not
>by the can, using the same sort of canisters and taps that you see
>in fast-food places.  I've been told that it's a lot cheaper that way.
>I asked the one that was still using cans why they hadn't switched,
>and they said the hotel wouldn't let them.

Hmmm...  Interesting, locally the fen definately prefer the cans...

>Even if the cost were the same I vastly prefer the tap arrangement.  I
>usually can't drink a whole can of pop, and I hate to waste it.

Different preferences in different parts of the country, I suppose...  Well, we
shall see what happens ad it happens...

Krikket               ! krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us ! USnail:3 Danada Square E.
a.k.a Doug Krick      ! Team Star Charter Member   !        Suite 246
Data ph# 708/665-9732 ! #include<std.disclaimers>  !        Wheaton, Il 60187
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  Just another commentary on the sad state of affairs on our nation today.
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Dial to the net in Orlando
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:53:23 GMT

This is really aimed at Orlando fen:  Is there a terminal server
port somewhere in Orlando that people would be willing to donate the
use of during the Labor day weekend so that folks at MagiCon could
dial up to it and telnet to the world?

I have arranged to be able to do this at 9600 bps via SprintNet's port
in Orlando, but the response is not what I had hoped for, so a direct
terminal server or system port would be ideal.  A terminal server is
best for security reasons, though most people disable telnet outside
their own org from servers.

Is there a fan-friendly net admin out there?
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: ConFrancisco Membership
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 08:20:18 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/UseNet - +1 415 968 8140

king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist) writes:

> Seeing's how I can't get to Orlando this year, I figure it's a good time
> to look forward to San Francisco in '93.  Anyone have addresses,
> membership prices, etc. that they'd care to send me?

ConFrancisco can be reached at:
                        ConFrancisco
                        712 Bancroft Rd, Suite 1993
                        Walnut Creek, CA
                        USA   94598
                        (510) 945-1993
                        confrancisco@tgv.com

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From: rcharbon@athena.mit.edu (Ray Charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Next Shuttle launch (was Re: MagiCon Weather Report)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.152213.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov writes:
|> Kimiye, this doesn't seem right.   An official launch date had not been set,
|> but they were shooting for Friday, 11 September before the hurricane.  The
|> mission is STS-47 aboard *Endeavour*, carrying a Spacelab module for
|> Japanese experiments, with seven astronauts aboard (including the
|> first married couple in space and a Chicagoan, Dr. Mae Jemison).
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So, what's the word on zero-gee human reproductive experimentation?
 

-- 
Ray Charbonneau              | The fifth dentist makes all the money.
rcharbon@athena.mit.edu      |             -- me
MIT and the Library Systems Office are glad that I'm posting my opinions
here so that they don't have to listen to them anymore.
From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Convention Committee E-mail Addresses
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:33:35 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Materials Research Labs Cent. for Computation, Operations Office
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: uimrli.mrl.uiuc.edu
Keywords: email lists concom

A while ago, so long that even >I< dont still have a copy of it 
in mail, someone posted asking concoms if they could send contact
information for their convention.  As far as I can tell that
never really got off the ground.  

If you are willing, I will give a try at getting the information compiled.

Information wanted:

	Email contact's name,
	email address, 
	affiliation with convention

	Convention name,
	city, 
	state.

	[listed or unlisted (see below)


Personal Goals:

	Might be nice to have a concom support group / universal mind when
it comes to solving some problems that are bound to come up.

If interested, send me mail.  In two weeks time (depending on workload) I will
post the results unless specifically asked in your mail not to.
  
Please make the subject line of your email "Convention Email Listing Entry"

--
Brian L. Rogers
707 N. Coler              "Good morning, and is my coffee?"
Urbana, IL 61801-1611   ___________________________
(217)337-0068 H         |blur@uiuc.edu             |
(217)333-7456 W         |rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu|
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Subject: Re: Are moties actually a stable race?
From: Laurie Cardon <LIBLXC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 2 Sep 1992 11:44:06 MDT
 ><1992Aug24.234252.11253@oracle.us.oracle.com> <BtyF72.1o4@newcastle.ac.uk>
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <BtyF72.1o4@newcastle.ac.uk>, A.J.Gunn@newcastle.ac.uk (A. Gunn)
says:
>
>Yo!
>
>I have been following with interest the debate over whether the apparent Motie
>evolutionary strategy of forced indefinite reproduction is evolutionarily
>stable. Given the loss of flexibility to optimise the parent's investment
>(i.e. both physically during pregnancy & later in terms of protecting the
>children until they are mature) in children under differing conditions,
>eg during a crisis, during primitive recovery, during civilised expansion etc,
>it seems likely that moties with flexible birth rates would be far far more
>likely to succeed.
>
>There is a more fundamental problem with Moties however: the described
>specilised breeds of Motie cannot be stable. Come the first cycle they must
>immediately either merge or diverge further. I will give my (humble) reasons
>later, but if they are correct then the humans have absolutely no idea what is
>going on & cannot possibly reach a reasonable decision: rather like the USA
>trying to distroy the USSR during the cold war (8-))_
>
>Firstly the human's info is based on about a fortnight's investigation by
>military cadets and the verbal description by enemy agents, trained in
>diplomacy. Neither source should be trusted further than you could throw it.

GOOD POINT!

>Now what do we have? We appear to have White (master) moties, Piebald
>(diplomat) moties, and Brown (worker) moties. The Whites breed with the
>Piebalds & get a mixture of Piebalds & Whites as well as with other Whites.
>I don't recall whether they were observed mating with Browns as well
>(presumably to get Piebalds), but this isn't critical. All three are
>independantly intelligence, although the Whites are dominant.

A million pardons, but you goofed on one point that may invalidate the
rest of the argument.  A White mates with a Brown to get a Piebald.
Piebalds are sterile.  This is what makes them so good as 'diplomats'.
Loyalty to the parent white is as close as they can get to continuing
their own genetic line.  But, they have no parental interest in the
outcome of any particular line of negotiation.  It lets them take a
step back and look at the forest, so to speak.
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Bland Prejudice (was Re: Wolvertons "On My Way to Paradise)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 17:24:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug25.215445.23279@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>
>Is there any particular reason for avoiding them -- other than "Ooooh, they 
>took money from Scientology, they must be in Scientology's pocket?"  Gimme a 
>fuckin' break.  Look at the list of judges for any given volume.  Are you
>really convinced that (e.g.) Fredrik Pohl, Gene Wolfe, Anne McCaffrey, 
>Ramsey Campbell, Niven, Pournelle, Norton et al., are *all* Scientology dupes?

No.  Only that they are willing to share space with a name I wouldn't be
willing to share space with.

>Or perhaps entering the contest means you're a talentless dweeb?

No.  Only that you're willing to share space with ... (see above).
>
>Go ahead.  Tell my you don't read Gene Wolfe or Fredrik Pohl.

In fact, I don't.  There are only so many hours in the day and mine don't
stretch that thin.
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From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Subject: Re: McCrumb (emphasis on the Crumb)
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 08:10:36 GMT


In a previous article, markbr@radian.UUCP (Mark Roth) says:

>Geof Knobl wrote a defense of McCrumb, pointing out the intent was satire.
>Well, yes, but there are different kinds of satire, and different intents.
>As an example, there is the satire, as he mentions, that intends us to
>laugh at ourselves. Then there is the kind used in the ancient world (both
>in Europe & the Americas), where the object of the satire was basically
>intended to be destroyed: to lose their political power, to even be driven
>to suicide. McCrumb's satire is *not* let's laugh at ->ourselves<-, its 
>let's laugh at these weirdos. This opinion is confirmed by a friend who
>was a personal friend of the McCrumb, and who says that her attitude is
>the "superior" one, and that she has done this elsewhere, as well. He also
>tells us that at the time this was written, she had attended ->one<-, 
>small con. 
>
>Further, was it not obvious that, except for her lead female character,
>her intended SO, and maybe one other person, there was NO ONE who was NOT
>a jerk, obnoxious, etc.? (And lest you think that my friend is biased, my
>friend is a)not a fan, per se, and b) is the original of one of the few
>non-jerks in the story.)
>
 Although I rather enjoyed _Bimbos of the Death Sun_ (haven't had a chance
at _Zombies of the Gene Pool_ yet), I felt that McCrumb (appropriate name,
that) was the wrong person to write this book.  I've commented on this
before, and someone (don't recall who) pointed out that she might have been
a fan herself, only to become disillusioned and gafiated.  

Granted, fandom can be a refuge from real life for people with problems
dealing with it.  And, it's no worse than, for instance, the lodges that
small-town America used to sprout like mushrooms after a spring rain, and a
lot better for people than vegging out in front of the devil box.
-- 
Note to the Constitutionally impaired:  "...the RIGHT of the people to KEEP
and BEAR arms..." means EXACTLY what it says!
Vote Libertarian, Grassroots, or any third party...the Demopublicans are a
bipartisan evil!        "Technomad"  cc697@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
From: kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:47:09 GMT

Quoth Alison MacDermot:

> I, on the other hand, hope it *doesn't* die, smellily or otherwise. Think of 
> it as indirect PR: if somebody's watching _Covington Cross_, they may be more
> inclined to see us as a hobby group, rather than some sort of Satanistic cult.
> None of us have to watch it to have it help us.

I agree; to the general public, it could be good PR.  My only worry is that in
a few years, we'll be recruiting proto-SCAdians who think that's what the
1300's were really like...

Incidentally, I'm without resources for the summer: anyone want to check the
arms used by the Grays?  They were "Per chevron azure and gules, a chevron
argent and in base a cross [of some kind; maybe botanny?] Or."  Nice arms.
To make up for it, of course, the french visitor, de la Croix, had the
arms of France all over her carriage... that should have tipped them off
immediately that she was a fake... :-)

--Gwydden                                 I don't have an overactive
  Borough of Duncharloch, Carolingia      imagination... I have an
--kleber@husc.harvard.edu                 underactive reality...  --EG
From: dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Go to alt.fan...we don't want you(was Re: rec.arts.sf.written FAQ)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 10:57:48 GMT
Reply-To: munnari!labtam!eyrie!prolix!dac
FollowUp-To: rec.arts.sf.written
 <Bt8voI.Dz0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1b87eee7.ARN23b6@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au> <1992Aug21.202317.14469@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Keywords: 
Organization: More like Dis~, really.

In article <1992Aug21.202317.14469@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, Bronis Vidugiris writes:

> In article <1b87eee7.ARN23b6@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au> munnari!labtam!eyrie!prolix!dac writes:
> 
> )"Why I think Piers Anthony deserves to win every literary prize
> )in existence, and then some." Or perhaps compose a heartfelt

> I generally like Pier's *first* book in a series.  I liked 'Death Rides
> A Pale Horse' for instance.  Then, he usually drives it into the ground

We agree then.

> Chalker is getting out of shape-changing and into religion in his latest
> 'Demons' book.  He's toned downed the S&M submissive stuff a lot, too.

Is it any good?

> And what about Schmitz?  Anybody for bashing 'The Witches of Karres' for
> encouraging  "Child Pornography"?

Witches of Karres was qool.

Dac
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  prolix!dac%eyrie@labtam.oz.au      Canberra, Australia           \X/ (_](_](_
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From: rsm58307@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ron)
Subject: Re: Something Nasty in the Human Genome
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:09:24 GMT

Of course their's Orson Scott Card's Ender Series. While _Ender's Game_ may not
have a genetic DNA corruption theme, the following two books follow a plot
somewhere along that theme.

	- Ron

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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Who was Philip K. Dick ???
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:13:03 GMT

In article <jorngh.2@dhhalden.no> jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:

>I've recently discovered the paranoid universe of Philip K. Dick,
>I must say that I'm quite amazed.
>
>What I'm looking for is information about the man's life, as far
>as I understand he was a quite misunderstood writer before his
>too early death. 

. . . and still is.

Places to start include:

DIVINE INVASIONS: a life of Philip K. Dick by Lawrence Sutin
PHILIP K. DICK IN HIS OWN WORDS, interviewed/edited by Glenn Rickman
IN PURSUIT OF VALIS: SELECTIONS FROM THE EXEGESIS, edited by Lawrence Sutin
	(This last was published by Underwood-Miller, who also published the 
	five-volume COLLECTED STORIES OF PKD, and are publishing a series of
	volumes of PKD letters.  Only one, covering 1974, is out.)


>(I don't think he gained any respect in higher
>circles just a year before he died)

Well, actually, yes, he was gaining some respect.  It began a while before he 
died when Stanislaw Lem praised him as the only American SF writer worth
bothering with (or words to that effect).  Those who care about such things
may be comforted to know that PKD died in relatively (for him) comfortable
state, having gotten his financial life together in the wake of the VALIS
experience.


>Is there a file about PKD anywhere, or maybe a book ? 

PKD believed the FBI had an extensive file about him:*)

There are shocking numbers of books available on PKD already.  (I say "shocking"
only because I consider it shocking that PKD is getting this much attention 
while some other worthy writers -- notably Theodore Sturgeon -- languish out of
print.)

For a general source of information, you might try

	The Philip K. Dick Society
	PO Box 611
	Glen Ellen, CA  95442

Happy hunting!


		The Pavlov dog and the Schroedinger cat
		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkeys crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: ddb@tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-Bennet)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Tad And Stuff...
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:46:17 -0600

 RM> What nationality is Tad Williams? His knowing Michael Whelan makes me
 RM> believe he's an American, but there's something utterly British in the
 RM> kind  of dialogue in MST. It's just something I really need to know. Like,
 RM> now!

He has an American address, and an American accent.  I never actually
asked him where he was from.

But I know lots of American writers and artists who know British
writers and artists, so I don't think of that as evidence.

 * Origin: GOD is REAL (unless declared INTEGER) (1:282/341.0)
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From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Re: Author Polls -- Cordwainer Smith
Keywords: Smith Linebarger Instrumentality
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:03:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.221325.16188@cl.cam.ac.uk> cet1@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.E. Thompson) writes:
>Question: Which story is not best, but most typical? Which would you choose
>to give someone to read, saying "If you like this, you will want to read 
>the rest"? 

Probably "Alpha Ralpha Boulevard."  It has a great sense of the
distance and complete strangeness of Smith's future.  For example, at
the time of the story the concept of money is being reintroduced after
a long absence; unfortunately, the money hasn't been printed yet, so
the protagonists must mime paying for their meal.

Another candidate is "Scanners Live in Vain", but that might be too
close to "the best" to meet your criterion.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "Think blue, count two, think of a red shoe."
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The "canon" of modern fantasy coming back into print?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:56:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtLLMv.HoJ
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:

>about. This stuff also tends to sell in relatively low quantities, so it's
>tough in any event to keep it in print, thanks to Thor Power Tools vs. the
>IRS.

Can you explain this to poor ignorant little me?  What are you referring to?

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
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From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Re: Tarot sf and fantasy
Summary: Tim Powers' Latest is Last Call and is All Tarot
Keywords: powers,tarot
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:56:28 GMT

Tim Powers Latest novel is "Last Call", and it's a mythic/magical-reality
novel about Las Vegas and the original deck of Tarot cards.  Lots of cards,
luck, tarot, symbolism, fun and awe in what is arguably Powers' best novel
since "The Anubis Gates".  Check it out in any event.

Rick Kleffel
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: All the Weyrs of Pern
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:04:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

"All the Weyrs of Pern" isn't a bad book, if you think of it as a
farewell to old friends, rather than as a serious attempt at story-
telling.  Enjoyment of the book depends almost completely on knowing
the characters from previous books, and caring who winds up married
to whom and with how many children.

As weak an understanding of science as McCaffrey's own is also an
advantage.  She got some advice this time round (the problem of the
red star's orbit is partly cleaned up, for example), but it's not
tempered by an understanding of her own.  (Her computers, for example,
are either artificial superintelligences or pc's running DOS.  But
the piece of voodoo pseudo-science I thought most characteristic was
the use of a mixture of liquid helium, liquid hydrogen, liquid neon,
and liquid silicone as a lubricant.  That would be a tough mixture to
achieve at any temperature!)

The actual scheme to rid Pern of thread is fraught with implausibilities,
but that scheme isn't very important.  It's only a mechanism for allowing
McCaffrey's favorite characters to take their final bows.

If you have a sentimental attachment to the Pern novels, you'll want to
read this one as well.  Just don't expect a book that caters to anything
*but* that sentiment.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
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From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Ron Goulart
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.182524.24760@mcs.kent.edu> mcconnel@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell) writes:
)For about eight years now, since I read the collection _Whatever Happened
)to Screwloose_, I have been a fan of Ron Goulart.  He is a very quirky writer,
)and his characters are often two dimensional at best, but on the other hand 
)he seems to carry a consistent theme of alienation and a dark (never subtle)
)humor.  I was wondering what other people thought about his work.
)
)Also, if you can suggest similar writers, please e-mail to 

I sort of like Goulart too.  He's a formula writer, but I like the formula.
(So sue me :-)).  In fact, when I heard on the net that Shatner's TEK stuff
was ghostwritten by Goulart, I picked up a used copy.
From: adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Lovecraft question
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:16:34 GMT
Organization: Kent State Univ.


 
 I guess this question should be directed to alt.horror, but I don't have
access so I hope you'll bear with me.
 
 While noticing the influence of H.P. Lovecraft in modern science fiction,
someone pointed out to me that Lovecraft was in turn influenced by an early
20th century writer, whom I believe wrote a book called something like The
King in Yellow, and who was responsible for many places/concepts generally
attributed to Lovecraft.
 
 Does anyone know if this is true? If so, does anyone know the name of this
author, and/or the titles of his works?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
anne (adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu)
 
"'Curiouser and curiouser' said Alice."
(which isn't good english, but gets the point across)
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