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From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Cream skimming considered beneficial
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:14:08 GMT

In article <chris.723973173@suite.sw.oz.au>, chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:
> In <1992Dec10.061815.24108@psych.psy.uq.oz.au> jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer) writes:
> 
>>|> Surely you don't believe Optus will operate anywhere else but on the
>>|> profitable routes. Is there anything in their charter that says that they
>>|> must serve community obligations ? Will they provide phones and services
>>|> for the outback communities ?
>>|> Optus *is* a "Cream-skimmer".
>>
>>Compass Airlines fits this definition as well in provision of air
>>services, IMHO.  Try finding out the compass fare from say, Canberra
>>to Adelaide....
> 
> There's no dount that both these companies are in business to make
> profits, as is AOTC (but not the government). So it's exceedingly rude
> to label them as "cream skimmers" - that's business.
> 
> If what is really meant is that AOTC is somehow more warm and furry
> because it cross-subsidises its loss making businesses then you need
> a crash course in capitalism. It's just stupid to do this, or perhaps
> it has an owner who doesn't care about business objectives much.

But just think what would have happened if there had never been any 
cross-subsidisation of telephone services. People living in cities and country 
towns would have had a wonderful service. But those people who live in remote 
places, or even on the outskirts of cities and towns, would have had no 
service at all unless they were prepared to pay the full cost of provision.

Now think how useful it would be to you as a city dweller if you could only 
ring other city dwellers, say 75% of the population of Australia.  Many people 
would not care, but a lot of people do communicate with "remote" places.

Think also of the fact that since the market is now 25% smaller, some of the 
economies of scale go.

So cross-subsidisation is definitely a business issue in terms of market 
expansion.

> One of the great benefits I think Optus (and Compass) will do in
> Australia is bring the hidden cross subsidies in our transport and
> communications industries out into the open where we can examine the
> cost/benefit ratios...

Do you really think that anyone other than the carriers and maybe the 
government will ever admit the true costs of operation?
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Newsgroups: aus.general
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Wanna buy a bike ??
From: pittam@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:48:16 +1100
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

STILL SELLING A GPZ900 . . .


A little while ago I posted the message below - at the time I thought that the
asking was probably a little steep but as it was not my bike I posted anyway.

There has not been much interest from the net at $6000, does anybody want to
make an offer?  Any offer??  How much should my mate be asking???

BTW - he is getting cold feet about the ZZR (mainly because of the cost).  As
an alternative I am suggesting the excellent CBR1000, still at a great price at
under $11k, or the ageing FJ1200 as possibly the best value tourer.  Mostly it
will be used for highway commuting, 40km each way.  Comments from fellow o&o
netters???


--------- 8< ---------- 8< ---------- 8< ---------- 8< ---------- 8< ---------

                              BIKE FOR SALE  !!!


Three years ago, my mate and I each bought brand new GPZ900's (you know, the
black ones (A6)).  The lucky bastard is now in a position where he can afford
to move up to the '93 ZZR1100 (sniff . . . but I am not).  At this point in
time he intends to sell the GPZ privately and as he is not on the internet I
thought I would post this FOR SALE notice for him.

As I said, it is just three years since it was first registered (December 89).
It is always garaged overnight and parked under cover most days.  For the first
twelve months it was routinely dealer serviced, and since then it has been
meticulously maintained by my mate (an accomplished mechanic who does rebuilds
for a hobby).  So far the only things that have needed replacing (apart from
the obvious) are brakes and tyres, about six months ago.  I can personally
vouch that it has never been "down the road" and that the odometer reading of
just under 40,000 is accurate, as mine has clocked up 39,000.  The asking price
(with gearsack rack (but not bag)) is $6,000.

The owner lives in Melton and works in Footscray, but I will take expressions
of interest at the address or phone number below.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Splitting Lanes
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date: 11 Dec 92 05:01:51 GMT

bob@swin.oz.au (Bob Schorer) writes:


 >Sounds like some of you guys would be better off driving Volvos :-)

The headlight on Wobbly says "Volvo". No joke. :-(

                  Brent.

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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: echoppin@csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (Errol Chopping -TE)
Subject: BMW dies 5 mins from home, every morning!
Organization: Charles Sturt University-Mitchell
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:09:18 GMT


{}
    I have a 1984 K100RS which until now has not missed a beat.
    (Its done 84000 km.)

    Now, _every_ morning, almost exactly 5 minutes from home,
    it conks out momentarily, comes back to life, dies for 2 seconds
    fires again and is OK for the rest of the trip.

    I thought it might be fouled injector jets so I added some
    petrol additive (SpitFire or whatever) but any improvement
    was marginal.

    It's got me beat! - any opinions? ( electrical, fuel, air, ??)

    Errol

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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin)
Subject: Eastern creek
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:14:26 GMT

To promote the 1993 grand prix races at eastern creek next year they are 
holding a promotions day next tuesday  (22nd december)in sydney. They are 
wanting Harley ridders to escort the presesion through the city. They are 
asking for 50 Harleys to do the escort and there should be some of the 
ridders and the usual media attending.
I rang the organisers of the event on (02) 8914411, They want people (Harley`
s and ridders) to meet at the car park near peir 1 at 10.00 am sharp, you 
will then ride to town hall where the bikes will be on display until 2.00 
pm, when the event finishes.
When I asked about the event I was told they wanted the Harley`s and ridders 
in imaculate condition, which means no tatts showing and no outlaws.
I will be going on this event, It should be a blast, If you want more info 
call the number above and get it.

      				KEEP IT UPRIGHT
				DAVE.
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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Splitting Lanes
From: meekdr@cbr.hhcs.gov.au
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:34:06 +1000
Distribution: aus
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1g5r6oINNpbm@manuel.anu.edu.au>, Neal Gowen <gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au> writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.234127.17941@trl.oz.au> Phillip Bouchier,
> phil@trl.oz.au writes:
>>Some user of this group was critical of riders riding between lanes
> at traffic
>>lights. I believe this practice is Ok as it is safer to tear away
> from the traffic
>>when the lights go green. This means the rider is away from those
> dangerous tin
>>tops. Otherwise the motorcycle has all the problems that a pedel
> cyclist has.
I agree with Phillip. The safest space for a bike to be is  nowhere near a car.
Given that bikes have better acceleration than cars, being first from the
lights is a good way to be nowhere near cars.
>>
>>
> 
> Well, it was probably me Phillip.  I would have to say your whole
> attitude to riding is wrong.  You are not giving yourself any room for
> error as you "tear away from the lights" as you put it.  You don't
> know what the car drivers next to you might do. I have seen drivers
> get aggressive and turn in on the bikes as they leave the lights, just
> to scare the rider.

I have seen car drivers do dangerous and stupid things no matter where a bike
rider is.

> 
> What if you stall at the lights? - instant bike sandwich.
> 
This is not a practice to follow if you have not maintained your bike properly
and do not have confidence in its performance.
> Time and space is what good riding is all about.  Enough time to react
> and enough space around you to react in. 
I see space to react associated with my   comments above on being nowhere near
cars once your moving.
> I suggest you go off and do
> a Stay Upright Advanced and Performance course and find out how to
> really ride a bike.
> 
> Neal G.
> __________________________________________________________
> Neal Gowen (XJ900 and TY250B)   MRA #204 ;  Ulysses #2458
> "Grow Old Disgracefully"
> Australian National University
> email:  gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
> voice:  61 6 249 2942 fax:  61 6 249 2603 
> snail:   GPO Box 475 Canberra
> _________________________________________________________
From: pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan)
Subject: Re: speed camera
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics, NSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992 22:59:26 GMT

ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
> pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:
> >ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
> >: 
> >: The photo has been at the TCO for a while. It's the real thing, 
> >: not done by anyone who works with the cameras. He really was doing 180+
> >: in a 60 zone.
> 
> >wanna buy a bridge?
> 
> I don't get this - what makes you think I'll believe anything? I
> know what I've seen. No smiley either - now I'm confused...

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, but (at the risk of flogging a dead horse)
I remain unconvinced that someone doing 180 in a 60 zone would have time to 
look around take one hand off the bars and raise a digit. 180km/h is 50m/s
and I don't reckon anyone could make such a gesture in less than 2 seconds
total, which means 100m travelled in a 60k zone without paying attention to
the road. With the number of obstacles (parked cars, pedestrians, other
traffic, potholes, curves, etc) in the average 60k zone, 100m is a long way
to go with one hand off the bars and looking the other way (don't you think).

Be seeing you!

Patrick.

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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: jmp@dar.csiro.au (POWELL James)
Subject: new rgv...
Organization: CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:41:11 GMT

Just picked up my new 93' RGV250...
I love the smell of 2 stroke & 'new bike' in the mornin'...

Any suggestions on how to prevent the tank from getting scratched up by the
buttons on my jacket? I tried on of those sticky rubber pads on my CBR which
just resulted in scratches around the edges of the rubber pad... Someone
suggested I put clear contact on the tank but I hate to think what could
happen when I take it off!

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                         --O--           ((______)))
                          /|\      /\   / //////
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    Suzuki     o   DoD #329   _/\/  _   \           Melbourne, Australia
 '93 RGV250   \_\     _______/   \_/ \   \_  **** EMail: jmp@dar.csiro.au ****
 ____________O/_O____/                 \    \__________________________________

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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RGV250 ... ?
From: cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:39:37 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <531@aldetec.oz.au> mawson@aldetec.oz.au (Graeme Mawson) writes:
>
>I am considering purchasing a Suzuki RGV250 and would like to hear about
>other people's experiences & thoughts on this bike.  
>
>I only ever carry my girlfriend as a pillion
>and this would occur once every two or three weeks.  When she's on, she 
>prefers that I ride very "carefully", so the bike doesn't really have to 
>perform a great deal with a pillion.

As the former owner of an RG250 and someone who is thinking of buying
and RGV250, I'd say go for something bigger :-) My old RG wasn't the best
bike in the world for a pillion, but the new RGV is a joke. I suspect that
the only reason it has a pillion is that it is required by legislation somewhere
in the world. The distance between the bottom of the pillion seat and the
pegs can't be more than about 30cm. I doubt that most people could bend their
legs this much if they're wearing leathers (we all wear leathers don't we?
If you want a testimonial about their usefulness, send e-mail :-( ).

Just a few thoughts....

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From: darnell@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Painter and chromer in SE QLD?
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:03:54 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Thought I might spruce up my Metralla. I'd appreciate any
thoughts, warnings or recommendations about the best way to
paint a frame (Powderkote,..) and can anyone in the SE QLD
also like tond a good frame painter? I would like 

Thought I might spruce up my Metralla. I'd appreciate any
thoughts, warnings or recommendations about the best way to
paint a frame (Powderkote,..) and can anyone in the SE QLD
recommend a good fram painter? I would also like
to chrome the exhaust pipe and muffler? Can anyone recommend
a good local chromer?
Thanks.
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: jmp@dar.csiro.au (POWELL James)
Subject: Re: RGV250 ... ?
Organization: CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:02:41 GMT

mawson@aldetec.oz.au (Graeme Mawson) writes:

>G'day peoples,
>
> " " "
>
>I have had a test ride on an RGV250 & loved it.  My concern is that I can
>get my open licence in 2 months and could go for a larger bike (I would
>be looking at 500's or 550's -- the Suzuki dealer recommended the GS500, if
>I decide on a bigger bike).  My riding is mainly about town.  My home,
>work & girlfriend are within a 10 km radius, but I like going for long(er)
>rides on the weekends.  I'm looking for a bike that's "fun" & powerful
>enough to be "fun" and "safe".  I only ever carry my girlfriend as a pillion
>and this would occur once every two or three weeks.  When she's on, she 
>prefers that I ride very "carefully", so the bike doesn't really have to 
>perform a great deal with a pillion.
>

Hmmm, looking at the pillion facilities on my RGV all I can say is I hope
she's small! The pillion facilities really do look like an after thought...

I've owned a Zephyr 550 which was a very capable bike (I was in-fact perfectly
happy with it until a mate purchased an RGV and gave me a ride :-) ), not
quite as exciting as the RGV though...

Speaking of RGV's, what 2-stroke oils are people running out there? I'm about
to switch to synthetic after the first 1000km and I'm undecided as to which
oil I want to run. What do people think of Castrol TTS ? Is shell 2SX any
good? 

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                         --O--           ((______)))
                          /|\      /\   / //////
                                  /  \__  /// /      James Powell  [:-) 
    Suzuki     o   DoD #329   _/\/  _   \           Melbourne, Australia
 '93 RGV250   \_\     _______/   \_/ \   \_  **** EMail: jmp@dar.csiro.au ****
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           "I wouldn't be so paranoid if you weren't all against me!"
From: s921574@otto (Kok CHAN)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Mac Classic,Bicycle,table & chair for sales (Melbourne/victoria)
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:03:47 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au


G'day mate.               Some items for sales at lower cost :

Chair         : $5
Writing table : $9

Bicycle (10 speed) : $69
   with lots of accessories, most suitable for cycling in sunny or 
   raining day.  It is also come with back carrier for bag, box etc.

Matress       : $79

Mac Classic   : $1499
   extremely good for doing assignments and thesis.
   very good to use with PC and Mac-PC & PC-Mac conversion.
   There are lots more interesting and useful utilities and tools in the
   Mac, I can tell more about it if you are interested in it.

If you are interested please leave a mail or call me.
All items must go before 21/12/92.  (Price may be negotiated.)

KokHeng Chan                       .......  Have a nice day / holiday  .......
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From: Neal Gowen <gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au>
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: WANTED: XJ900 top Triple Clamp
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:25:32 GMT
Organization: RSBS Australian National University
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.39.2
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXDate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:25:42 GMT

Wanted: 

I require a top triple clamp for a 1985/6 XJ900N. It is the type that
takes standard handlebars, not the alloy  bars like on the RK and FN
models. I have tried wreckers without success.

Can anyone help.

Neal G.
_______________________________________________________
Neal Gowen (XJ900 and TY250B)   MRA #204 ;  Ulysses #2458
"Grow Old Disgracefully"
Australian National University
email:  gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
voice:  61 6 249 2942 fax:  61 6 249 2603 
snail:   GPO Box 475 Canberra
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From: nxh109@rsphy1.anu.edu.au (Nicholas Hauser)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Yamaha WR200 (Sydney or Canberra)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:07:42 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nxh109@rsphy1.anu.edu.au (Nicholas Hauser)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.51



Hi guys
One beautiful WR200, just over 1 year old.
Immaculate condition, with little use.
Acerbis plastic
New tyres.
Best dirt bike I've ever had.
Selling due to lack of use.
Offers around $3500.

Nick Hauser.

Ph work (06) 249 0037
email  nxh109@rsphy1.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Mac Classic,Bicycle,table & chair for sales (Melbourne/victoria)
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:56:16 GMT

(Kok CHAN) writes:


 >Chair         : $5

Cheapest motorcycle chair I've come across!

 >Matress       : $79

Perfect for your spunkarama Duke or Hog.

 >Mac Classic   : $1499

What every urban motorcyclist needs. Can be handlebar mounted.

                    Brent.

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From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: new rgv...
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:29:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.23

In article <jmp.724041671@atmos> jmp@dar.csiro.au (POWELL James) writes:

>Any suggestions on how to prevent the tank from getting scratched up by the
>buttons on my jacket? 

Try some rubber buttons.

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From: mawson@aldetec.oz.au (Graeme Mawson)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: RGV250 ... ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:43:56 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Aldetec Pty Ltd, Perth West Australia

G'day peoples,

I am considering purchasing a Suzuki RGV250 and would like to hear about
other people's experiences & thoughts on this bike.  I have only been 
riding for 10 months and have only ridden a couple of bikes, so I really
don't have much experience in what to look for & reputations of different
bikes.

I have had a test ride on an RGV250 & loved it.  My concern is that I can
get my open licence in 2 months and could go for a larger bike (I would
be looking at 500's or 550's -- the Suzuki dealer recommended the GS500, if
I decide on a bigger bike).  My riding is mainly about town.  My home,
work & girlfriend are within a 10 km radius, but I like going for long(er)
rides on the weekends.  I'm looking for a bike that's "fun" & powerful
enough to be "fun" and "safe".  I only ever carry my girlfriend as a pillion
and this would occur once every two or three weeks.  When she's on, she 
prefers that I ride very "carefully", so the bike doesn't really have to 
perform a great deal with a pillion.

I would dearly love to hear from people who have owned/ridden/heard about
the RGV250.  I would also love to hear people's opinions on what bike(s)
would best suit my needs.  i.e. do people recommend a good 500 rather than
the RGV250?  BTW, I can get a 2nd hand RGV250 for about $4500, a new one for
about $6000 and a new GS500 for about $4000 (these include trade-ins).
Other tips like reliability, etc are more than welcome!

Thanks for your suggestions,
Graeme Mawson.
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