HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Text of the CO Gay Discrimination Provisions Ammendment
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:08:49 GMT

In article <C0HnG3.5C3@news.rich.bnr.ca> gaj@n8ppd300.DOMAIN.NOT.SET (Gerald A. Josephson) writes:

>|>Notice heterosexuals are still (perversely) protected by the existing
>|>anti-discrimination ordinances in Colorado.
>
>No, they are not protected.  Legally, Heterosexuals are not a "protected
>minority", this ammendment simply says that having an "alternate" life style
>does not qualify one as a protected minority.

Read the fucking amendment again, idiot.

And tell your system manager that your newsposter is screwed up.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:08:36 GMT

parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:

>vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:

>>jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

>>>How are we going to do this?  I don't know, but until we figure it 
>>>out, these people have to eat somehow.  Welfare was never meant to
>>>be a permanent program, and it has not worked well in the long run.

>>"I don't know"-- spoken like a true liberal.  Welfare has become permanent.
>>Since FDR there are generations of families who have lived on welfare.
>>It will never work.  The cycle of poverty has shifted and is now perpetuated
>>by the welfare state.   

>Hey, I've got an idea:  Let's not let anyone in "poverty" (or on welfare) have
>any more children.  Then children won't be born into poverty and in a couple
>generations things would be much better.   ;)
>I don't think most people would go for that, especially since it could involve
>forced-abortion.

Liberals love violating rights.  Go for it.

>>>Jared Dahl

>>Edward Simmonds

>-Rob


Edward Simmonds  

- My opinions, etc... -

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:35:12 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Summary Fri 1/8/93
Distribution: world,usa,alt,na
 <mwalker-110193164122@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>

In article <mwalker-110193164122@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>,
mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) says:

>What a show. With his marvelous discourse on science, Rush has proved, once
>again, that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. What I can't figure
>out is how someone so big can have such a small amount of knowledge. I
>suppose he'll just blame the public school system.

Oh, I don't know, I see no reason to have much confidence in scientists who
continually make predictions which don't come close to coming true.

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From: gaj@n8ppd300.DOMAIN.NOT.SET (Gerald A. Josephson)
Subject: Re: Bush's Pardons
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: gaj@n8ppd300.DOMAIN.NOT.SET (Gerald A. Josephson)
Organization: BNR, Inc.


After having read popec's comment accross many posts today, all I can say is I'm
sad to see a person who confuses thier political views with what they want the
law to be.  I would invite him to read some backround material on the subject as
to what Mr. Walsh has been doing on the hill and how he has abused the little 
power he has given.  Mr Lawrence has acted in a way not unlike McCarthey did 
while looking for communists in the 50's.  References include stories in US News
and World Report and Readers Digest (actually a nice source as it pulls in from
all over).

gaj
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Bush's Pardons
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:36:20 GMT

rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:
>>Kind of like the slap on the wrist that the Senate gave to its Keating Five
>>offenders, no?

>I didn't think that the keating 5 were part of the discussion. Maybe
>I need my eyesight checked. 

    Things move quickly in a.f.r-l; the threads of yesterday sow the seeds 
of the topics of tommorrow. Of course, almost nobody bothers to change the 
subject line when things go off on a tangent, so you shouldn't be surprised 
to see just about anything here regardless of the heading its posted under. 

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: We need more liberalism!
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:35:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.184147.6522@csus.edu>
chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Thoughtcrime Convict #12273-101) writes:
 
[Steve's message deleted for brevity]
 
>
>N   N  Y   Y  EEEEE  TTTTT     K   K  OOOOO  M   M  RRRRR    A    DDDD  !!
>NN  N   Y Y   E        T       K  K   O   O  MM MM  R   R   A A   D   D !!
>N N N    Y    EEEEE    T       KKK    O   O  M M M  RRRRR  AAAAA  D   D !!
>N  NN    Y    E        T       K  K   O   O  M   M    R R  A   A  D   D !!
>N   N    Y    E        T       K   K  O   O  M   M   R  R  A   A  D   D
>N   N    Y    EEEEE    T       K   K  OOOOO  M   M  R   R  A   A  DDDD  !!
>
 
Close but not quite right.
 
Actually, the backwards looking "R" doesn't sound like an "R" at all in
Russian; instead it is pronounced something like "Yo" (Y in Yellow and
the short O in stOp).  I can't remember for sure but I thought it sounded
very much like "yesy" in German.  The correct letter to put there is a
"P", yes a Russian "P" sounds like an English "R", only they trill theirs.
 
(I know what Rush would say to that - "That's something that only a
commie liberal traitor would know.")
 
Rick Marquardt
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: dp
Subject: Re: Homosexuality is unnatural?  So what?  CIVILIZATION is unnatural!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa, world
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:55:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.061047.19122@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
|> A lot of people seem to think that homosexuality is bad because it
|> is "unnatural".  They leap through a lot of hoops to ignore homosexual
|> behavior amoung animals, and perform other post hoc rationalizations to
|> excuse their prejudice.
|> 
|> But, if I grant the proposition that ALL "unnatural" acts are bad,
|> then I would like to ask them how in the world they condone the use of
|> unnatural things like fire, tools, houses, clothing, commerce, makeup,
|> SOAP, shampoo, radial tires and all those other unnatural things that 
|> seperates mankind from the animal kingdom?
|> 
|> Or maybe they don't use soap? 

We had this thunderstorm last fall that zapped our hog in its pen.  That
lightning zapped a nearby tree as well.  What was left of the hog and the
tree both landed in a pond that had formed 'cause of all the rain.  That stuff
percolated in the pond for days.  When the pond dried up we had this white
stuff that'll clean anything off of anything. (Whether you want it to or not.
We've taken to using it with water in the mornin' to clean up Willie Jeff. 
(Willie Jeff, he's our little brother.  He's too small to use the outback,
so he jest goes where he is.  Whew! He shore got a smell to him afore we
started using that white stuff and watter to clean him up.  Trouble is,
we're about to run out of that stuff and we ain't gonna have no more thunder
heads afore spring.  I figer Willie Jeff may be have'n to stay outside 'til
we get another.  Now where did them hogs get off to . . .

:-)

***  Them's my opinions (maybe) and they ain't necessarily those of my  ***
***  boss, my bosses' bosses', or the whole dadblame company fer that   ***
***  matter.                                                            ***
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From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Conservative?  Hahaha....
Summary: No it doesnt work that way
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:27:07 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1i81vgINNeo7@rave.larc.nasa.gov> rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland) writes:
>In article <C08L2F.I7F@ddsw1.mcs.com>, karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
>writes:

>> I have noticed a definite hypocrisy in the term "Conservative", especially
>> as applied by Rush...
>>
>> Has anyone noted that Rush, and most other "Conservatives", support the
>> measure which passed in Colorado (family values and all that)?
>>
>> Yet, is not one of the founding principles of conservative thought that the
>> government should make fewer laws, and leave people more alone (than the
>> liberals)?

No it is not. It is part of the mutilation of the English political
lexicon that has made this a problem. Someone once said that all
Americans are liberals of one sort or the other. He was of course
using Liberal as it was meant to be used, in the Classical Liberal
Libertarian sense. And indeed Americans are. A Conservative is rightly
someone who likes things the way they are and if changes are to be
made they must be made slowly and within the context of the exisiting
political/social/economic/etc framework. The ideological founder of
this school of thought was probably Burke who opposed the French
Revolution on jsut these grounds. Conservatives inevitably support
(in England) the existing Institutions of the state, even when they
are silly (ie Church of England, House of Lords, the Monarchy etc)
They are also big on the Established religion. This means they
have traditionally supported criminalising homosexuality and anything
else that was traditionally regarded as wrong. Flogging tends to be
a part of their private views on the criminal system. (not kidding
either) It has always been the Liberals who are foolish enough to
assert that people are capable of making what they are pleased to
call their own minds up without the influence and direction of the
Established Church. :-) Therefore the Colorado admendment is right
in line with Conservative thinking. Conservatives don't want fewer
laws, they just want laws in different areas - morality rather
than economics.

Joseph Askew

-- 
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
From: dickw@IASTATE.EDU (Richard Wallingford)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bush's Pardons
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:38:13 GMT
Reply-To: dickw@IASTATE.EDU (Richard Wallingford)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <C0EAJr.BBA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don
Wiggins) writes:
> dodsonsl@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 
> >So what do you conservative types think of the Bush pardons?  Over on
> >your second favorite newsgroup, alt.fan.dan.quayle, they're pretty
> >upset about it.  I don't think anyone is really surprised Bush did it,
> >though. I guess things will be pretty boring scandal-wise now that the
> >party of the 'moral right' won't be in charge anymore.
> >-Scott
> 
> Scandal?  Oh, you mean like the current score?
> 
> 	Special Persecutor Walsh = 	30-50 million taxbucks
> 	Taxpayers and Common Sense = 	 0
> 
> Seems to me that what we really need is another special prosecutor to 
> figure out what he did with the 30-50 mil.  Bush's mistake wasn't in
> granting pardons, it was in failing to have Walsh charged with theft.

Yeah.
Also, after watching Walsh on MacNeil-Learher nearly in tears with his
voice cracking and coming unglued with rage after the pardons, it's
pretty obvious that his objective abilities are gone.  He should be
fired for violating the ABA canon on prosecutorial prejudgement.
 
Incidently, wasn't the "diversion" performed by a third party?
i.e. 

    U.S. sells arms to 3rd party at a competetive rate and the
    profits are deposited in the U.S. Treasury.  Totally proper. 

    3rd party re-sells arms to Iran for outrageously high price.
    (Basically screws them over).

    3rd party transfers *Their* profit to the contras.

So in reality, no U.S. funds were given to the contras.  They essentially 
used Iranian money. Can't think of a better use!
  
--
Dick Wallingford    
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From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:10:01 GMT

ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.alt.fan.rush-limbaugh: 8-Jan-93 Re: Colorado
>Amendment 2 by koppenhoefer cramm@uxh.c 
>> Actually, the more legal rights a group has the less tolerant the general 
>> public tends to be.  Two examples:  (1)  America has much less restrictive
>> abortion laws than in Europe; however, Europe is much more tolerant of unwed
>> mothers.  (2)  The Americans with Disabilities act requires a large number
>> of handicapped parking places at new facilities, and I have heard a large
>> amount of grumbling from people about the excess spots ( also noticed more
>> non-handicapped using handicapped spots ).  The general feeling is 'well,
>> you have your rights and will get nothing more' when rights are legislated.
>> The black community is just one example of 'rights' gone astray.

>I am fascinated by Mr. Cramm's logic.  Perhaps, we should just make
>everything illegal and the general public will become amazingly
>tolerant, and we can all live together in peace and love until the state
>security officials come.


   Ok, this is my last posting on this topic, because I'm getting sick of
trying to explain this issue.  Other people are probably tired of hearing
from me about it, too.


  It is amazing how someone can read a posting and come away with the 
EXACT wrong understanding.  Mr Lomis, I am argueing AGAINST more laws, not
for them.  This country has too many laws, and not enough good ones.  The 
worst laws of all are those giving 'special' rights to specific groups.  They
do not foster goodwill between groups, but divide those groups further.  If    
this country is ever going to work together, then these 'rights' laws are
going to have to be eliminated.  We can then say that 'All men are created 
equal (with none being more equal than others)'.  


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From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Conservative?  Hahaha....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 03:23:19 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell) says:

[...]

>My disgust at this situation mainly stems from the way Coloradans bought 
>the lie that this proposition was to prevent Gays from voting themselves 
>rights above and beyond the rights of normal citizens when it was a 
>simple case of allowing gays to remain second rate citizens.

One wonders if the conversion of the Civil Rights movement from one that
originally preached equal treatment for all races to one that is little
more than a mad scramble for preferential treatment and quotas had anything
to do with how easily Coloradans could be convinced that Gay Rights was
just a cover for more of the same excesses that were committed in the name
of Civil Rights. The Wall Street Journal had an op-ed piece by the editor
of some Colorado newspaper (the Rocky Mountain News, I think) that made that
point.


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Chelsea's school ...
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:58:56 GMT

johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
>Nathan Engle (nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu) wrote:
>> I do think that it's a double standard to hand money to the Pentagon with 
>> the insistence that Pentagon experts determine how the money should be 
>> spent, but when we hand money to educators all the sudden we want 
>> everybody to have individual control.

>The obvious difference here is that there can be only one defense force for
>everyone in the country, but there exist many different schools. By 
>choosing a type of school for one's own child, one does not force that 
>choice upon the parents of any other child.  What's so wrong with using 
>the forces of the free market system, which have proven beneficial in 
>everything else, in education?

    If the forces of the free market are beneficial in "everything else" 
then why are they so noticably absent from national defense? I submit to 
you that free market forces would have the exact same effect on national 
education that they would have on defense - in a word, "chaos".

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: gaj@n8ppd300.DOMAIN.NOT.SET (Gerald A. Josephson)
Subject: Re: Text of the CO Gay Discrimination Provisions Ammendment
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:40:50 GMT
Reply-To: gaj@n8ppd300.DOMAIN.NOT.SET (Gerald A. Josephson)
Organization: BNR, Inc.



|>Notice heterosexuals are still (perversely) protected by the existing
|>anti-discrimination ordinances in Colorado.
|>
|>-Ric

No, they are not protected.  Legally, Heterosexuals are not a "protected
minority", this ammendment simply says that having an "alternate" life style
does not qualify one as a protected minority.  The situation is much like when
I rented an apartment from a place which refused to rent to college students,
hardly fair to students, but they do not qualify as a "protected minoity".
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Chelsea's school ...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:28:01 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: skibum.meaddata.com

In article <nate.1056@psygate.psych.indiana.edu>, nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
|> johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
|> >The obvious difference here is that there can be only one defense force for
|> >everyone in the country, but there exist many different schools. By 
|> >choosing a type of school for one's own child, one does not force that 
|> >choice upon the parents of any other child.  What's so wrong with using 
|> >the forces of the free market system, which have proven beneficial in 
|> >everything else, in education?
|> 
|>     If the forces of the free market are beneficial in "everything else" 
|> then why are they so noticably absent from national defense? I submit to 
|> you that free market forces would have the exact same effect on national 
|> education that they would have on defense - in a word, "chaos".

Hmm.  Last I checked, we had the best damn military in the world, and it was
precisely because the competition between the many private defense contractors
has resulted in a significant technological edge over our adversaries.  You're
not such a racist that you think Americans are just naturally smarter and
better fighters than anyone else, are you?

IMO, the ideal solution to the education problems would be to completely
privatize the entire system.  Schools could be privately operated, and paid by
local and state governments out of tax monies on a per-student basis.  Some
regulation, such as standardized testing, would be necessary, as it is with any
public utility.  This really isn't much different in principle from the voucher
system that President Bush proposed.

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From: patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.limbaugh
Subject: Re: We need more liberalism!
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:41:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Glavnoye Upravlenie Lagerey

In article <16B4DDB46.VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU> VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:

   In article <1993Jan5.184147.6522@csus.edu>
   chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Thoughtcrime Convict #12273-101) writes:

   [Steve's message deleted for brevity]

   >
   >N   N  Y   Y  EEEEE  TTTTT     K   K  OOOOO  M   M  RRRRR    A    DDDD  !!
   >NN  N   Y Y   E        T       K  K   O   O  MM MM  R   R   A A   D   D !!
   >N N N    Y    EEEEE    T       KKK    O   O  M M M  RRRRR  AAAAA  D   D !!
   >N  NN    Y    E        T       K  K   O   O  M   M    R R  A   A  D   D !!
   >N   N    Y    E        T       K   K  O   O  M   M   R  R  A   A  D   D
   >N   N    Y    EEEEE    T       K   K  OOOOO  M   M  R   R  A   A  DDDD  !!
   >

   Close but not quite right.

   Actually, the backwards looking "R" doesn't sound like an "R" at all in
   Russian; instead it is pronounced something like "Yo" (Y in Yellow and
   the short O in stOp).  I can't remember for sure but I thought it sounded
   very much like "yesy" in German.  The correct letter to put there is a
   "P", yes a Russian "P" sounds like an English "R", only they trill theirs.

The backwards "R" (for lack of a better term) is the last letter in the
conventional ordering of the Cyrillic alphabet -- and it's Ya.  "yo" is the
E with the umlaut over it.  

   (I know what Rush would say to that - "That's something that only a
   commie liberal traitor would know.")

It's hilarious, anyway -- it's not even Russian.  There is no word spelled
"komrad" in Russian that I've ever seen -- and "comrade" is more usually
spelled "tovarishch" (with that last "shch" represented by *one* Cyrillic
letter).  I got a BA in Russian Studies 16 years ago, and *I* can remember
that much of the language -- Steve's just foaming at the mouth again, as
usual...

--PLH, fellow Kentuckian -- rybak rybaka vidit izdaleka...:-)

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