HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:27:27 GMT

In article <2A768CD8.4F94@tct.com>,
chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>> comp.unix.ibm.pc.16bit
>> comp.unix.ibm.pc.32bit
> I hadn't thought of that possibility.
> Does anyone think this proposal particularly (un)worthy?

Unless you want to leave space for several comp.unix.ibm.foo groups,
change ibm.pc to ibm-pc.

How about comp.unix.{intel86,i86}.{16bit,32bit}?  Would Sun/386 stuff
land up there by mistake?

BTW, I am in favour of moving the whole mess into comp.os.unix,
and moving comp.os.{linux,minix,etc} to comp.os.unix.{linux,minix,etc}.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za             Bang: m2xenix!quagga!undeed!barrett
Xref: sparky news.groups:16278 rec.motorcycles:25550
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: political correctness (was: Re: rec.moto.harley)
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:47:52 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
:
  [lot's of Blah(tm) deleted]
:
: Many of the rest have simply left.  Creation of
 Anyone heard from Konrad W. recently???
: 
: 
: The primary issue in new group creation should always be
: whether the new group will serve the wants and needs of a
: significant number of users.  As long as it can do so and
: its charter and name are appropriate, it should be
: created.

Hear, hear. The light at the end of the tunnel.
Stop whining & lets create the group.

Conrad Drake
--
 "where liberal means un-American"
            'TV, the drug of a Nation' , The disposable heros of Hiphopracy
ObPolitics: The major conservative party in Australia is the Liberals.

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From: sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu (Kate Wilson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: What happened to rec.bicycles?
Date: 21 Jul 1992 13:31:58 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Texas School of Public Health

Just saw the latest status report in news.announce.newgroups and rec.bicycles
wasn't mentioned.  What happened?  All this discussion and it's just going
to be dropped before voting?
Newsgroups: news.groups,eunet.esprit
From: dww@bnr.co.uk (David Wright)
Subject: Re: NEW-Projects (TEMPUS)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, Harlow, UK
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.105209.8537@dxcern.cern.ch> tchamov@sunran1.cern.ch (Nikolay Tchamov) writes:
#I didn`t find a news-group(s) dealing with European Projects like
#TEMPUS in example, except ESPRIT & EUROCHIP which is not much 
#supplied by news and discusions. 
#
#Do such News-groups exist, where someone can get up-to-date information
#about European projects in the fields of :
#
#  Electronics & Computers & Education & Research & Design ?

The most appropriate news group is eunet.esprit.  There is not usually
much traffic there, and the sort of projects are not too disimilar,
so post about TEMPUS and see if you can start up a discussion.

I do not believe that the European Commission subscribe to any news groups
(certainly not officially), and they have their own procedures for
disseminating information (which include electronic mail, if you are
involved in one of their projects).  However you may find eunet.esprit a
way to contact other people and projects to exchange information on an
informal basis.

Regards,        "None shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity"
       David Wright  BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, Essex CM17 9NA, UK
dww@bnr.co.uk <or> ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!stl!dww <or> PSI%234237100122::DWW
From: Tom Hansen <uwm.edu!realeasy!tomh>
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:54:29 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: REAL/Easy Software, Milwaukee, WI  USA


Regarding the proposed name comp.unix.ibm-pc-arch:

IMHO, this is a rather outdated name;  while IBM did produce the first 
machine capable of running MS-DOS, the "PC-Compatibles" of today bear 
little resemblence to the original "IBM PC".  I think that perhaps a name 
like comp.unix.isa-bus (referring to the ISA bus architecture) would be a 
more appropriate and technically accurate name.


---
Tom Hansen
Executive Systems, LTD., a.k.a.  REAL/Easy Software
UUCP:  ...uunet!uwm.edu!realeasy!tomh
  OR:  tomh@realeasy.UUCP
From: alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Coopersmith)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization (apple.2gs/aux)
Date: 31 Jul 1992 09:54:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Bezerkeley Overloaded Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul31.031603.15659@unlinfo.unl.edu> gberigan@cse.unl.edu wrote:
)bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
)>  And it also allows for comp.unix.apple2gs.
)
)Actually, it seems to lean more to comp.unix.apple2.gs (ala splitting
)the PS2 from the IBM).

Or it might allow for:
        comp.unix.apple.2gs
        comp.unix.apple.aux

(Although I doubt the gno and A/UX products really have enough in common to
get stuck together in their own seperate heirarchy...and it might be seen as
implying that gno, like A/UX, is a product of Apple Inc....)


-- 
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University of California, Berkeley	Bitnet:   alanc@UCBOCF.BITNET
From: tkogoma@triton.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: NEW Role Players Guides Group
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:12:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1992Jul21.162348.16367@ulowell.ulowell.edu> bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio) writes:
>NO THIS ISN't REC.GAMES. FRP. (or any of those)
>I didn't give a good decription last time.  Please take into consideration
>this newsgroup.  I should go about getting it made?
>[etc.]

What the &$^#*&??? is this person blathering about?

>Mark DiAntonio
>bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  tkogoma@triton.unm.edu
  I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                           what I have now...
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.advocacy - Underwhelming responses
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:53:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul28.022046.803@wolves.uucp> ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:

>If there are no objections, I'll probably go for the CFV somewhere
>around the 6th of August and run the vote for a full thirty days.

I object. I have recruited an army of thousands of loyal voters who
will vote your proposal into a flaming ruin, unless you send me
$10,000 in small, unmarked bills. Think twice, boy-o, before you
challenge the peons of the net.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: laplace!samp (Sam Pigg)
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization <-- alternatives?
Reply-To: laplace!samp@tscs.tscs.com
Organization: Anti-Tramua Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:16:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.070450.16589@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
bn050@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gwochyuan Chen) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, mmm@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (Mike Miskulin) says:

> 
> >
> >The reason for this RFD is that many current readers of misc.forsale.
> >computers believe the group is too cumbersome to read/follow in its
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The blame, I believe, lies in that there is not a good Usenet News command
> to show multiple subject lines to readers.     I have a book
> 
> Netnews Reference Manual by Anatole Olczak
> 2nd Ed., 1989, A System Publications, Inc., San Jose, CA
> 
> which provides detail description on all Usenet News-related commands on
> UNIX.   I know little on how the News are presented to readers on other
> systems.    But for those news-reading commands on UNIX:
> 
> readnews, rn, vn, and vnews
> 
> only one article's subject line is shown on the screen each time.   Although
> there are commands to display ALL UNREAD articles' subject lines, they
> are scrolled off the screen very quickly.

The unix newsreaders tin and nn both display the subject lines in a format  
similar to what you suggest.(not to mention NeXT's NewsGrazer as well as  
Xwindows newsreaders). I believe both tin and nn are available on the net via  
anonymous ftp.

> 
> Gwochyuan Chen

> 
> -- 
> 
> Gwochyuan Chen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bn050@cleveland.freenet.edu
> * Computers are your worst investment.  They lose money faster than life
>   insurance, and you don't even have to die to lose it.   -- Russ Botton


--
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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Authenticity of votes for soc.culture.tamil
Date: 19 Jul 92 18:57:21 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <2776@ucl-cs.uucp>, B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
> 
> It seems to me that there is something strange with the
> vote counting of soc.culture.tamil.

[ ... ]

> For instance, I missed the result posting on SCI beacuse I was away for few
> days and secondly I do not read SCI.
> 
> After that I have sent a mail to Mr Pandian to send me final results
> on last friday on 10 June 1992. However, I have not received any response 
> for such a simple request. I have no other option but to think that 
> there is some thing *WRONG* with the entire voting process for SCT. I 
> also understand many other peeple have also raised problems with their 
> votes.

I missed the results of the Pennsylvania primary election so I sent a
message to both the Republican and Democratic parties asking for the
final tally of the balloting for all elected offices. 

I have NEVER received a response to such a simple request.  I have no
other option but to think that there is some thing *WRONG* with the
entire voting process for the Pennsylvania primary election. 

> I think that results of sco.culture.tamil should be posted to all
> those news groups where original request was posted once again so that
> many complaints of wrong doings in voting could be put to rest.

Then change the guidelines. What you ask is not called for. 


> Thanks and Best Regards,

You're welcome. Cheerio.




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Newsgroups: news.groups,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: Ideas on how to split rec.aviation
Keywords: soaring, non-powered, unpowered, lighter-than-air
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:26:13 GMT

In article <l79lliINN2oa@cronkite> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:


>
>   How do the glider and sailplane  folks feel about being penned in  with
>   the Hang/Para/Balooning folks?
>

	Honored.



Just saying my own thoughts,
tony
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:47:10 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Coopersmith):
>)    NOTE: The removal of [sysv286 and sysv386] depends on one vote.
>
>Isn't the "NOTE" is obsoleted by the split into 16/32-bit groups?

Oops!  Yes.

>And where does this leave the Jolitz's 386BSD?  Crossposted between
>c.u.ibm-pc.32bit & c.u.bsd?

For combined hardware/software issues, yes.  For simple hardware
issues -- yes, they'll be rare -- post only in c.u.ibm.pc.32bit.

As for the comp.os.386bsd vs. comp.unix.386bsd question, I'm not going
to touch it.  There's too much political and pseudo-legal flack.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: spenny@sw.stratus.com (Steve Pennypacker)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Ideas on how to split rec.aviation
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:00:51 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.100448.16331@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, kaye@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Kaye Stott) writes:
> rdd@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (Robert Dorsett) writes:
> : 
> : To make a (very) long story short, I advocate the following as the core 
> : rec.aviation groups (and possibly the only groups):
> : 
> :     rec.aviation.misc
> :     rec.aviation.soaring
> :     rec.aviation.powered
> :     rec.aviation.powered.ifr
> :
> Now, that's more like it! I was appalled at the full-blown reorganization
> proposed, and felt that it wasn't really worth continuing to support
> any split in rec.aviation if that was to be the result. I would fully
> support any proposal that looked rationally at the different requirements
> and came up with a small, workable number of sub-groups.

Ditto.

-- 
     Steve Pennypacker		     PP-ASEL

     spenny@wiley.ts.stratus.com     Stephen_Pennypacker@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:05:22 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>Whether you're on a 386 or a 286 is hardware.

Okay.  The proposal now renames sysv286 to c.u.ibm-pc-arch.16bit and
sysv386 to c.u.ibm-pc-arch.32bit.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.int-fiction
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:30:34 GMT
Organization: Friends of Dan Quayle, Chicagoe chapter

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2) writes:
>forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes) writes:
>> rec.games.int-fiction
>>   Discussion of games in the Interactive Fiction genre, including but not
>>   limited to text adventures such as Adventure, Zork and other Infocom games,
>>   the Scott Adams series, hints for gameplaying, news from manufacturers and
>>   other related topics.
>
>How about non-text-based IF games?  Like the stuff Lucasfilm and Sierra have
>put out?

Ya wanna talk about Leisure Suit Larry?  :-)  The charter doesn't mention
any specific examples of non-text-based interactive fiction, but I'd think
they too could be discussed in this newsgroup.

Non-AT&T participants in this discussion are welcome...  :-)
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: On demands to post all the e-mail votes to soc.culture.tamil
Date: 31 Jul 1992 11:17:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

   On demands to post all the e-mail votes to `soc.culture.tamil'
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
     The results of the newsgroup `soc.
 culture.tamil' was posted on 8th July
 and soc.culture.tamil passed 645:143.
 In the five days waiting period that
 followed, only four corrections were
 pointed out in the net and I took into
 account all of them and incorporated
 the corrections suggested promptly. 
 The result after the five days waiting
 period was 645: 144 and soc.culture.tamil
 passed in the voting with a margin of
 nearly 500 votes. The voted group was
 created on 14th July. ( Soc.culture.tamil 
 is receiving about 150 articles per week,
 while soc.culture.nepal is receiving about
 15-20 articles per week. )
     Yet, two readers demand that all
 the e-mails carrying votes should be
 posted in the net to prove  authenticity
 of vote-counting. I have also received
 two e-mails demanding me to send them the
 e-mails file immediately.
     I have been reading this newsgroup                   
 for a few years.
     I have never seen any vote-taker of
 a voted group with a margin of 500 yes
 votes demanded to post all the e-mails 
 that he received carrying votes during
 the voting period to prove authenticity
 of vote-counting.
     The authenticity of the votes is 
 already established in the results posted
 and I don't think that I have to post or
 send all the e-mails that I received during 
 the voting period to establish any additional
 authenticity .     
                                S.Pandian
                        sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
--------------------------------------------
From: mike@uel.co.uk (Michael Convey)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:26:40 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Europe Ltd.

In article <1992Jul17.203501.26417@uunet.uu.net> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>Create:
>  comp.unix.usg.svr3         System V Release 3.
>  comp.unix.usg.svr4         System V Release 4.

I don't think these names are a good idea - the "Unix Systems Group" 
ceased to be before SVR2, never mind SVR3 and SVR4.  While I'm sure many
people still think of System V as coming from USG, it's been over 8 years
since that was the case. 

If any reorganisation is necessary, I think better names might be:
comp.unix.svr3 and
comp.unix.svr4

>  comp.unix.usg.misc         Other versions of System III and System V.

Is there really enough discussion about System III etc. to warrent a new
news group?  Surely any such discussion should go in comp.unix.misc.

Mike

Disclaimer: This posting contains my own opinions and does not necessarily 
represent the views of USL.
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:11:10 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn):
>>   comp.unix.dos-under-unix  MS-DOS running under UNIX by whatever means.
>
>The moniker seems a bit long-winded.

I tried for brevity over clarity when I went with "c.u.msdos" in the
first place.  I won't make that mistake again.

>People actually have to _type_ these things!

But how often?  I'm not worried about people having to type newsgroup
names.  Compare all the typing done to correct people who post in the
wrong newsgroup!

>I'm concerned about the "ibm-pc-arch" bit.  It suggests discussions
>_about_ the IBM PC Architecture, which the c.s.i.p. groups are
>FOR, and this is NOT.

Yes, it is.  It's a place for discussion of the IBM PC architecture as
it relates to usage of UNIX.  Where else would you have people argue
the pros and cons of using the PC architecture for UNIX?  This group,
as proposed, seems as good a place as any.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
Xref: sparky news.groups:16035 comp.os.coherent:3212
From: albani@cadlab.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:51:37 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
:I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Surrendering the word unix to AT&T is
:exactly what they want. As I understand it, they can have UNIX[tm] or maybe
:USL UNIX[tm], but not "unix". These OSs are designed to provide a unix-
:compatible API, putting them in comp.unix makes sense. Abandoning comp.unix
:to some litigation-happy phone company doesn't seem like a good idea to me.


Hmmm, the real important thing is a posix-compliant user interface,
or no?


:UNIX is a trademark of Unix Systems Laboratories, a subsidary of AT&T[1]
:[1] AT&T is a modem test command.

Copyrighted by Hayes?

Intriguing!    :-)

Bye, Lanfranco

-- 
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Email: (work:) albani@cadlab.sublink.org, (home:) bob@allan.sublink.org
Phone: (work:) ++39 (51) 6130360, (home:) ++39 (51) 727372; 
Fax: ++39 (51) 6130294 (work only), Fidonet: 2:332/407.1138 (home only).
From: gritton@colorado.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: An aside on INET...
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA

mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

> If the INET groups aren't going to move to their own hierarchy, then I
> suggest we start a JNET distribution.

   Just make sure that your newgroup messages have "Distribution: jnet"
on them so you can blame it all on the admins of the Internet sites :-).

   If you want a bargaining chip that's harder to refute, I suggest in
all seriousness that you call it the UUCP distribution. Your list of
fairly nonfrivolous alt groups sounds like good material.

   Try it. For real.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:15:38 GMT
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX

In article <Bs4Fr0.77F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
>   misc.forsale.computers.systems
>   misc.forsale.computers.software
>   misc.forsale.computers.storage
>   misc.forsale.computers.peripherals
>   misc.forsale.computers.misc

This makes a *lot* more sense.  I'm not sure it is exactly right, but
it is much more sensible strategy.

I'd suggest that we change `misc.forsale' to `misc.market' and add a
`misc.market.computers.d' for discussion (e.g. ways to avoid ripoff,
a home for all the little Ralph Nader Jrs. to play consumer crusader,
etc.).
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3
From: dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: dboyd@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <Bs44qu.Lv6@wpi.WPI.EDU> mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
> Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl):
> :- |> 	1. i do not advocate voting down r.m.h. (i am not planning to
> :- |> 	   vote no - i am still looking for someone who will tell me  
how
> :- |> 	   h-d motorcycling is different from the rest so maybe i can
> :- |>|> 	   vote yes).
> :- 
> :- Oh well...
> :- The weary, downtrodden potential voter, anxious not to miss _any_ possibly
> :- _decisive_ argument for or against the proposal, courageously stems the  
tide
> :- of inflowing data...
> 
> 	how about an answer for once?
> 


Ravi, the question of how motorcycling on a harley can be considered different  
has been answered and discussed at length. You haven't been listening. I don't  
think you really want to know, you just want your name on the net.

Also, this is not an issue for some of us.

Personally, I don't give a shit how you vote. Your single vote one way or the  
other is not worth your tiresome, pointless arguments.

Diana

DIANA BOYD	"Walking with the spirit, talking with the spine
EVO Woman	 Mama sing, open up yourself when worlds align."
KLR Woman                                            -C. Whitley