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From: mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul"
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:23:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Bz7ztE.Lty.1@cs.cmu.edu> pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan) writes:
>
>Wonderful song by KamukaRa PuruShOtthaman in Harishchandra
>a classic in ragam sAma (or shyAma).

Here is my translation. Hope it helps you, Sateesh. 

I dont think its perfect.
Someone else with a little more poetic taste? 


>Athma-vidyAlayamE
>avaniyilAthmavidyAlayamE
>azhinilayillA, jIvithamellAm
>AraTimaNNil nIRIyothungi

	It is a school for the soul
	In the earth it is a school for the soul
	All lives end crumbling in six feet of soil

>illA jAthithan bhedavichAram
>iviteppukkavaR oru kai chAram
>mannavanATTE yAchakanATTE
>vanniTumoTuvil vanchitha natuvil

	Castes do not matter
	Whoever lives here becomes a handful of ash.
	Whether king or beggar,
	He will be burnt in the end.

>thilakam chArthi, EthinumazhakAy
>palanAL pottiya puNya shirassE,
>ulakam vellAn uzhaRiya nIyum,
>vila piTiyAtthoru thalayOTayi

	Crowned and proudly kept
	Your head for many days.
	Even you who attempted to win the world
	Became a worthless skull.


Enjoy,

Mathai

Now only if you are interested in the words!!! 

>
>Athma-vidyAlayamE			It is a school for the soul
>avaniyilAthmavidyAlayamE		In the earth it is school for
					the soul

	aathma = pertaining to soul, vidyaalayam = school
	avani = earth, avaniyil = in the earth

>azhinilayillA, jIvithamellAm
>AraTimaNNil nIRIyothungi		All lives end crumbling in six
					feet of soil.(?)

	azhinilayilla = ?  Nothing to stop?
	jIvitham = life, ellaam = all


>
>illA jAthithan bhedavichAram		Castes do not matter
>iviteppukkavaR oru kai chAram		Whoever lives here becomes a
					handful ash.

	illA = no, jAthi than = of caste, bhEdam = difference, 
	vichaaram = notion
	bhEdavichaaram = discrimination

	ivite = here, pukkavaR = who live, oru = one,
	kai = handful, chaaram = ash.

>mannavanATTE yAchakanATTE		Whether king or beggar,
>vanniTumoTuvil vanchitha natuvil	He will be burnt in the end.
>

	mannavan = king, yAchakan = beggar, AttE = let it be
	vannitum = will come, otuvil = in the end, 
	van chitha = large 'chitha', large fire, 
	natuvil = in the middle, inside

>thilakam chArthi, EthinumazhakAy	Crowned and proudly kept
>palanAL pottiya puNya shirassE,	Your head for many days

	thilakam = crown (?), chARtthi = ornamented
	Ethinum azhakaay = above everything
	pala nAL = many days, pOttiya = nurtured
	puNya shirassE = "Oh divine (royal) head"


>ulakam vellAn uzhaRiya nIyum,		Even you who attempted to win the
					world
>vila piTiyAtthoru thalayOTayi		Became a worthless skull.
>

	ulakam = world, vellAn = to win, uzhaRiya = worked, attempted

	nIyum = even you, vila = value, worth, piTiyAttha = without 
	vilapiTiyAttha = worthless,
	thalayOT~ = skull, aayi = became.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:42:46 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: TRADE UNIONS 

It was not my intention to condone labor militancy or to exonerate trade
unions for the mess they have created in Kerala.  I do agree that a lot
of industries have shyed away from Kerala due to labor militancy.  But
it is equally true that far more jobs were lost due to the unwillingness
of employers (mostly North Indian corporations who consume all the
foreign exchange earned by the Marunaadan Malayalee and Malayora
Karshakan) to pay a decent wage.  If labor militancy is a problem
typical of Kerala alone, then why is Vaisakh Steel Plant thirty years
behind schedule?  This did not slacken further investment in AP.  Did
all the Cashew and Fish processing industries migrate to other states
due to labor militancy alone?  I doubt it.    

Here is an example.  A typical rubber plantation worker in Malasia earns
at least twice as much as his Keralite counter part.  Then why is Indian
rubber much more expensive than Malasian rubber?  Either somebody is
making a kill or our productivity is dismal.  It is not the
responsibility of the worker alone to improve productivity.

It is grossly unfair to blame workers alone for the dismal industrial
climate in Kerala.  Blame labor unions- YES.  What more can we expect
when the president of the Head Load Worker's Union is some one who
refuses to carry his grocery home?  When a "manga chethan  polum
ariyathavan" becomes the president of Toddy Tapper's Union?  These
leaders do not understand the problems and concerns of either the
workers they claim to represent or the employers who create valuable
jobs.  They are answerable only to their politician boss.  The
frustration and cynicism created by the corrupt political system should
shoulder the full responsibility for driving Kerala to the present
situation.

Prathapan
From: small.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Unions & Industries in Kerala.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:29:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: small.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@small

What I find very disgusting about the labor unions in Kerala is their
"destroyer" attitude. I am referring to the strikes by the Electricity
Board employees, which used to happen quite frequently while I
was living there. The first thing that they do is disrupt the 
power. And not always by turning off a switch. What I've heard was that
they try to throw cycle chains onto the high tension lines!! 
Thereby they hold the population to ransom. Why does the entire population
have to be held to ransom? The argument should be just between the 
employer and the employee. 
	I guess this is just the result of the freedom struggle. When
life in the entire country came to a standstill in order to kick the
British out. But now, the labor unions want to kick out the entire
population of Kerala!!! What an idiotic way of doing things!!!
I think such methods are the last resort of the incompetent!!!
Sure at one point in history, that was the only way to get rid of 
a ruler. But now? I guess the trade unions realise that it works too well!

	If Kerala were in the middle east, the trade unions would
kidnap the employees and hold them hostages.
	If Kerala were in Somalia, the rival trade unions would resort
to warfare.
	If Kerala were in the Soviet Union, trade unions would 
systematically kill the empolyers with a bullet to the back of the head.
	If Kerala were in Japan, trade unions would be full of 
workaholics.
	if Kerala were in the US, trade union members would be working
a lot of overtime to pay for alimony.
	But no, Kerala is in India. Malayalees don't divorce so 
readily and don't work at all. Though there are political murders in
Kerala, I think we should be happy we are not in Somalia, or the
Soviet Union or in the middle east. 
	Where are we? HOME!!!!

TATA!
Sateesh
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (! M.Goutham )
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:59:42 GMT

HI,

This is in response to Ms.Balakrishnan's note. I am also a malayalee
who lived all my life in Madras. Kerala is sure a wonderful state and i
treasure the few weeks i spend there every year.

But I have one misgiving for that state and I hope readers can give some
explanation. It wonders me why people are hesitant to invest in that state.
In terms of major industries and the like. I have seen reports that mostly
it is due to the trade unions et al. But is there more to it ??

I, for one, am against the politisizing of the youth infrastructure. I  
remember one occassion, when my cousin , in std 8 , came home during class
hours. I asked him if he did not have class. He replied , " No, we are on strike(strike).". I asked him why . He said, very casually, "Oh!, We won a football
game and the police did not allow us to take the trophy on a procession " !!.

Politics in schools have to stop in kerala. The parties make use of these
youngsters and their whole attitude towards work changes. I hope readers can
understand what I am saying. It is this attitude of "demanding", sometimes for
silly reasons, which is preventing the growth of the industry in this beautiful state. 

POLITICS IN SCHOOLS HAS TO GO.... any comments ??

MANCHAPORA GOUTHAM
mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Subject: Re: Kerala & Human Development Index - UNDP rank
Reply-To: aknair@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:53:26 GMT

I think  think the HDI of Kerala would have gone up now since it has achieved 100%
literacy.
Can anyone tell me for sure what % of the state budget is set aside for education?Is
it somewhere around 40% ?

Ajit.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul"
Reply-To: aknair@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:01:10 GMT


I stand corrected,it was Kamukara and not Mannadey.

Ajit.
From: oommen@psych.purdue.edu (Mona Oommen)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: "ackers"
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:09:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Could someone please fill me in on where the term 'ackers' came from?

Mona Oommen
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: kochumol@leland.Stanford.EDU (anna geevarghese)
Subject: I found you......
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00:41:43 GMT


Hi,

Today I did the most wonderful job of reading about > 100 articles
posted in this newsgroup. Although it was difficult in the beginning to
read malayalam in english, later i found it easier to read.

I prefer reading malayalam in malayalm.:-)


Oh, i forgot to introduce me.
My login name tells all of you that I am a malayalee.

Name : Anna Susan Geevarghese
DOB : it is not right to ask the age of a pretty woman :-)

My parents are from kakkanad, in the outskirts of ernakulam.
I grew up in kasaragod in north kerala.
talked north malabar malayalm and kannada,
studied in malaylam medium schools.
Bsc in Math from Kasaragod govt.college.
Msc in Stat from Farook college in Calicut.

worked in Sharjah in UAE for 5 years.( Now my parents live there)
Completed my MS in Operations Research from Stanford in June 92.

Present Job : Looking for a job.:-)

Life at stanford : No malaylees, No malayalam.
Effect : Improved my Hindi, Tamil and Telugu. Did not forget malayalam
My Telephone conversations with my parents are in 100mph
 (as my other indian friends say) in malayalam.

Active member of Stanford India Association.( I cook for all the 
eating festivals, a lot of mullaku and kurumulaku is my secret. Others
call it dynamite )

Today when one of my friends in CS department mentioned this newsgroup,
I missed the church mass and decided to read it.

Any way, enough boring all of you.

{ I am not reluctant to mention my DOB, I am 30.Born on nov1, 1962.):-)


_anna
From: milhouse.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul" and Math in Mediaeval Kerala
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:49:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: milhouse.caltech.edu
Originator: sathi@milhouse

In article <BzGxE9.uy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> varkki@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Varkki  
George) writes:
> I have seen a statue of Buddha somewhere in or near Mavelikara. It has
> been there a very long time, but I am not sure how far back it dates.
> There is also an Ashokan pillar next to it.

	I've seen a statue of Buddha in Trivandrum. It's behind the
secretariat, adjacent to the British Council Library, and opposite to
the stadium. But there was no Ashoka pillar around there.

> 
> Varkki

TATA!
Sateesh
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: c440bala@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sowmini Balakrishnan)
Subject: Hello
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:09:38 GMT

Hello everybody! Though I am a Malayalee I have never lived in Kerala for
a long period. But I do know of all the wonderful food, lush fields and 
beautiful places there. The culture of kerala (Kathakali, Mohiniyattam, which 
I know a little bit myself) has always enchanted me. I lived all my life
in Madras before coming here and I really like the people of Tamil Nadu,
but Kerala has a beauty of its own.

I like reading the articles on this net and hope it stays as good. 

Wishing everybody a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,

Sowmini Balakrishnan
--
__________________________________________________________________________
Sowmini Balakrishnan	       	    
Dept. of Computer Science & Eng.    
Arizona State  University          * Internet: balakris@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul"
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:58:26 GMT


Wonderful song by KamukaRa PuruShOtthaman in Harishchandra
a classic in ragam sAma (or shyAma).


Athma-vidyAlayamE
avaniyilAthmavidyAlayamE
azhinilayillA, jIvithamellAm
AraTimaNNil nIRIyothungi

illA jAthithan bhedavichAram
iviteppukkavaR oru kai chAram
mannavanATTE yAchakanATTE
vanniTumoTuvil vanchitha natuvil

thilakam chArthi, EthinumazhakAy
palanAL pottiya puNya shirassE,
ulakam vellAn uzhaRiya nIyum,
vila piTiyAtthoru thalayOTayi



This song, however, reflects (copies ?) KumAran AsAn's
darshanam of a cemetery (shmashAnam) as the ultimate center
of spiritual learning. Asan expressed it in his kr~ti
PrarOdanam, a vilApakAvyam lamenting the death of
kErala pANini A. R. rAjarAja varma. The relevant shLOkam is:


kaShTam! sThAnavalippamO prabhuthayO sajjAthiyO vamsamO
puShTashrI thanudhATiyO cheRuthuminngOrilla ghOrAnalan
spaShTam mAnuShagarvamokkeyiviTepukkasthamikkunnithin-
ngiShTanmAr piriyunnu hA! iviTamAnAdhyAthmavidyAlayam.


PJN

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From: mece21x@jane.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: reply to 342
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:23 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Dec16.130541.1@icbr.ufl.edu>, anair@icbr.ufl.edu writes...
>this is in resonse to the sadness spelt out in Micheals' post
>regarding the death of his room mate.
>While I can agree that the finality of death is in itself very
>difficult to accept and assimilate,I can not agree to the advice on
>not contemplating suicide.

To agree or not agree is your choice. All I said was that it does not solve
any problems for anyone else. It only aggravates the situation.

>Ones' life is ones' own , to live and share with others if one

An assumption made. Did you give life to yourself? There is a moral 
responsibility to the ones who gave you that precious gift. Oh, yes, the
argument that "I never asked for it" is always there and so is the counter-
argument that "You liked it so far"!

>so chooses.The bottomline being an acceptance of the resposibility
>of accepting of ones' decisions.....

When this so called "one" ceases to exist, then who takes the responsibility?

>Going with your roommate Might have postponed his leaving        t
>but anybody who has seriously contemplated ending his own life
>will/would not be easily deterred.Its' a measure of how much one feels bound

It is a moot point, whether I could have prevented  or not. But if the act was 
impulsive, then it was unfortunate that I could not do something about it.

>to people and places.Moving on so to speak.
>To hold that against him is rather futile.

What makes you think that I hold it against him?

>How people of the generation immediately before ours sieve through facts and
>draw veils over themselves is not something that  should be held against
>them.Convention is a tough barrier to break......all of us learn that

No, It is not convention that is difficult to break, but it is conviction that
is difficult to break.

>along the way, sometime.Are not your responses to the least of situations
>limited by your personal fears and knowledge of its' acceptance by the world

Could you explain this word "responses"? What responses are we talking about?

>at large? Don't be too hard on others....

Miss Archana Nair, I have no cause to be harsh on anyone, unless they have been
harsh on me. If you think otherwise, then it is your choice to think so. But 
then who are these "others" about whom you are concerned about?

> 
> 
>  forward 

Sincerely
Michael
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Unions & Industries in Kerala.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:06:29 GMT
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Mahesh V Tripunitara (tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu) wrote:

> The establishment of the Cochin Export Processing Zone, for instance
> (where strikes are banned for a certain period after an idustry is
> established there) went ahead rather smoothly even though the
> Marxists were in power. The number of strikes also seems to be
> quite low when the Marxists are in power...perhaps this is just
> a feeling I get. 

Not just a feeling. It's bang on.

While the Marxists were in power, it was in their interests to build
up industry and provide jobs to the people, so they would curb their
thugs somewhat.

When they are in the opposition, it's a win-win situation for them to
disrupt industry. It keeps their thugs busy, fills the party coffers,
and causes factories to close down and jobs to leave the state, which
the Marxists then use to direct people's anger and resentment against
the sitting government.

Very convenient.

Of course, the Congress also tries this with *their* unions when the
Marxists are in power, but they succeed to a lesser extent.  In any
case, the public pays the price for these power struggles.
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From: varkki@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Varkki George)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul" and Math in Mediaeval Kerala
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:44:18 GMT

In article <BzGMGq.FHq.1@cs.cmu.edu> pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan) writes:

>>But, are there any physical traces (ruins of vihAra's for example) left
>>in Kerala?  And while we are on the subject, could someone recommend good
>>books on Kerala history, particularly of Mediaeval and Ancient Kerala?
>
>It is my understanding that Budhism and Jainism thrived in Kerala at
>some point in history. I am not aware of any physical traces left.

I have seen a statue of Buddha somewhere in or near Mavelikara. It has
been there a very long time, but I am not sure how far back it dates.
There is also an Ashokan pillar next to it.

Varkki
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From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Posting in ACK, and other facts << Important >>
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:09:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


1] Just to remind people who read this net that important
   information about posting and accessing ack is given in
   the weekly FAQ [ FACK] issued.
   Reading the FAQ will solve a lot of teh problems net.people
   have about ack.

2] In particular I saw an article titled 'In reply to 342'
or some such. While I agree with the person who posted that
article let me take this oppurtunity to remind people that
article numbers like '342' have no meaning at all, except at
your local site.
My site has already crossed 1000 in number of ack postings.
The same article will appear with different article numbers
depending on site. Keep this in mind.


3] Stay Cool.
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From: mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: "This is knowledge for the soul"
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:25:11 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1g8okoINNere@gap.caltech.edu> owl.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai) writes:
>	Does anybody have the words to the song from the Malayalam movie
>"Harischandran" which starts like this:
>
>	"Aatma vignaanamay ..."  ????
>
>After giving the transliteration, do you mind translating it?


This is neither full nor exact. For me it was a kind of song which comes
to mouth though I don't want to sing it! A typical desperado's (avaSan)
song!


 
aathma-vidyaalayame              
avaniyithaathmavidyaalayame    

illaa jaathikaL chethavichaaram     
ivide pukkavaR oru kai chaaram
paNDhithanaattE yaachakanaattE
vannitumotuvil vanJchitha natuvil

aathmavidyaalayame....

......
...
....
aaRatimaNNil neeRiyotunnGum

aathmavidyaalayame...



Translation! Are you kidding? 


Later,

Mathai
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:16:09 -0500 
From: Prathapan Sreedharan <ps4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: This knowledge for.. 


It was great to remember that wonderful song.  "Aatma
vidhyalayame"....It was sung by Kamukara Purushothaman and has the
reputation as the song broadcasted the maximum no. of times from AIR
Thiruvananthapuram.

Prathapan
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Situation in Trichur.
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:41:55 -0600
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1] I talked to my parents today morning.
   Schools & colleges seemed to have been closed down
   in teh wake of the  bandhs
   going on because of the babri-nmasjid issue.

  However the situation seems to be normalising 
  now and bus services are up in the trichur area.

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From: peterg@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Peter George)
Subject: ...ACKer profile...
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:27:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division R&D, Palo Alto, CA
Keywords: kerala, profile





.... yet another lurking ACKer...


Profile:
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Name:               Peter George 
Place of Birth:     New Delhi

Place called home:  Tripunithura (suburb of Cochin)

Education:          Schools: Rae Bareilly, Ambernath, Ernakulam;
                    B.Tech '84, IIT Madras;
		    MS '87 & PhD '90, UC Berkeley.

Profession:         Chasing electrons & holes for Hewlett-Packard.

Favorite cuisine:   Central Kerala, esp. Karimeen (various preps.),
                    Pidi & Kozhi (hill-country style, with fresh palm
		    toddy), North-Indian, Gujrati/Bengali sweets.

		    (Ersatz standby: Thai food).

		    Will consider trading an arm and a leg for
		    jack-fruit, mangoes and Nendra-pazham.



pg/-



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