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From: dave@intercon.com (Dave Saunders)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: NFS for Macintosh
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:05:15 GMT
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
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X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b37

In article <1993Jan24.112423.25143@fys.ruu.nl>, walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred 
Walsteijn) writes:
> There are a few: Wollongong Pathway NFS;  Intercon Mac NFS (?); .... 
> But convince yourself that they do what you want. 
> I need a product that does *automatic* translations of Unix EOLs 
> (end-of-lines) to Mac EOLs.  I need that capability ``in both 
> directions'': i.e. for files copied to the Mac from a Unix disk, and 
> vice versa. More than a year ago the Mac NFS packages I've heard of 
> could not do that. Maybe the latest releases can... 

InterCon's NFS/Share has always provided automatic CR<->LF translation for 
text files between the Macintosh and NFS server.

Wollongong's Pathway Client NFS does not provide automatic translation as of 
the version I have, but it does come with an application (NetText) that will 
read UNIX LF terminated text files for you.

Dave



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From: mauvais@pharaoh.llnl.gov (Paul Mauvais)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Help with NeWSprint printers and lwsrv
Keywords: lwsrv newsprint
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:42:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: mauvais@pharaoh.llnl.gov


I've got a Sparc running 4.1.3SunOS and CAPv6.0pl125, with two printers
attached, under NeWSPrint 2.0.

One of the printers is a Seiko5504, and the other a NEC ColormatePS.

I'm running lwsrv like this (with printer name changed for each):
 
/usr/local/cap/lwsrv -n "haze" -p haze -a /usr/local/lib/cap -f /usr/local/lib/cap/LWPlusFonts -N -T crtolf -T quote8bit -A on -l /usr/adm/lwsrv_haze.log

I can't get my Mac (ci running 7.0.1) to print to it.  It says "printing" and
the UNIX queue shows a file there, but the file just disappears after a short
period of time with no output.

Has anyone got one of these printers up on their machine that could send me
their printcap and lwsrv lines so I could compare?

Thanks!

Paul Mauvais
LLNL
From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Multiple interfaces with EtherShare?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:05:50 EST
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


We're looking at segmenting our network, so we'd like to have our
server (a Sun 4/630) be multi-homed. 

Is it possible to use EtherShare on multiple interfaces without routing?

Jeff

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Jeff's Oasis at Home.                   Jeff can also be reached at work at:
(Remember: The Secret Service is Neither.)              jwasilko@airage.com
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gerald Fountain)
Subject: Simple Install but Problems - IRIX and atis + pap
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:53:24 GMT


I am trying to recompile CAP on our new SGI's running Irix 4.0.5F.  Currently
we are running from our older Sun and had no problems configuring under BSD.
Alas, Irix is SYSV and I am running into problems.  We are only using the CAP
system to allow printing to a LaserWriter via a Kinetics FP4 to localtalk.

On the SGI, I was able to make the entire system (using the -cckr flag to
avoid warnings). I am using CAP 6.0 pl 126. 

Now the problems.  If I run 'atis -D 3' as root, the from another shell
execute 'atistest' I get the following

# ./atis -D 3
abInit: [ddp:  55.81, 2] starting
17:27:59 01/26/93  Reply num max for lkup reply is 5 (based on 104)
17:27:59 01/26/93  ECHO: ECHO socket not available: error -1: Address 
                    already in use   /* wrapped for your reading pleasure */
17:27:59 01/26/93  pid = 20971
17:29:06 01/26/93  Got nbp 1 lkup from net 55.81, node 4, skt 2
17:29:06 01/26/93  Looking for entities to answer a lookup with =:=@JMOCHE
17:29:07 01/26/93  Got nbp 1 lkup from net 55.81, node 4, skt 2
17:29:07 01/26/93  Looking for entities to answer a lookup with =:=@JMOCHE
17:29:08 01/26/93  Got nbp 1 lkup from net 55.81, node 4, skt 2
17:29:08 01/26/93  Looking for entities to answer a lookup with =:=@JMOCHE
17:29:09 01/26/93  Got nbp 1 lkup from net 55.81, node 4, skt 2
17:29:09 01/26/93  Looking for entities to answer a lookup with =:=@JMOCHE

I believe the problem lies in the ECHO error, but I am not sure what it is 
trying to do (thus my plea to the net gods :-)

Anyone have any Ideas?

On an second point, has anyone any suggestions or hints on configuring pap*
for use with the Irix 'lp'.  I have not looked into this myself yet as we have
had everything running via BSD lpr.  (but perhaps to go through the Transcript
package and lp ... I hope :-}

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Jerry Fountain                                                             
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Department of Chemical Engineering         |    (708) 491-3555 (Office)    
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From: trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Zone and Address relations
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:47:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc6.ins.cwru.edu

In article <1k6sp8INN3lh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier) writes:
>Yes, what you saw is correct.  You can have the same zone name show up
>anywhere you want on your network, regardless of the underlying network
>number of the segment it is wrong.

Ack.  My fingers were moving faster than my brain.  Sorry.

I meant: "...network number of the segment it is on.".

-- 
Stephen Trier                      
Network software type              
Case Western Reserve University    
trier@ins.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: cls6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Cory L. Scott)
Subject: Re: Monitoring Appletalk File Sharing activity
Reply-To: cls6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:29:28 GMT

The program you want is called Nok Nok by Trk, Inc. They make two
versions, one for Sys 7 file sharing, and one for AppleShare file servers.

As well, Nok Nok will identify where guests are logging in from, and 
keeps a log file.


Any others out there?

Hope this is helpful,

Cory L. Scott
cls6@midway.uchicago.edu
From: malle@rpksun2.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernhard Malle)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: SUN cap server hangs my mac until I click the mouse
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:24:09 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rpksun2.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de

Hello,

I have installed CAPpl126 on our sun sparc2 box. In principle, it works
fine, but there's one small problem:

Whenever I have mounted my volume of the sun on my mac, the mac sometimes freezes 
and hangs until I click the mouse. I have seen thta there has been a similiar
question in this group a year ago, but I didn't follow it and I didn't find a 
solution in the FAQ.

Has anyone encountered the same problem?

Any help appreciated.

Bernhard
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: kallio@jyu.fi (Seppo Kallio)
Subject: Re: Accessing a CAP server with BOTH native Ethertalk and IPTalk
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:51:12 GMT

Jean-Michel Mignot (mignot@bali.saclay.cea.fr) wrote:
: Is it possible to have some users accessing CAP in the native EtherTalk
: mode, and simultaneously others connected through a Fastpath and using
: IPTalk ?

Can someone tell me two things: What is EtherTalk? What is IPTalk?

Is EtherTalk something like AppleTalk packets in Ethernet and
IPTalk simething like AppleTalk packets inside TCP/IP (UDP?) packets.

What do I miss if I start using CAP with IPTalk only (We use Native
Ethertalk at this moment). Is it so that the Ethernet connected Macs do
not see CAP services if CAP server is using IPTalk? 

We go to Sun Solaris 2 and there is no CAP code for Native Ethertalk.

We have one GatorBox and some FastPaths. Can they help?

Please answer directly to me  kallio@jyu.fi

Seppo Kallio
U of Jyvaskyla
FInland
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Chris McNeil <cmcneil@mta.ca>
Subject: EtherTalk phase1/phase2
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78D9DEDC7010108@rush.mta.ca>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19: 27:57 GMT
Organization: Mount Allison University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:23:54 GMT

I am try to solve a problem on our Ethernet that has EtherTalk phase1 and
Phase2 packets on it. I need to know the packet formats and types for
both ( I've ordered a book but in will be a couple of weeks before it
arrives). Is there anywhere on the internet I can get this information. 

Thanks
Chris McNeil
Network Manager
MTA University
Sackville NB Canada
cmcneil@mta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Carlos Reed <creed@fse.ulaval.ca>
Subject: Mac X doesn't seams to work??????
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78AC12D24013229@tequila.fse.ulaval.ca>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 08:21:33 GMT
Organization: Universite Laval
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:19:08 GMT

Hi NewsNetters!!!

I have Instaled Mac X on a mac II with system 7.01 and it doesn't seams
to work !!

I'm on a localtalk side,  on wich I have acces to TCP/IP routing via a
Gator Box.  From the localtalk side I can telnet my Unix machine without
a problem. When I run MacX, it seams to work fine, but as soon as I sent
an X command to the Unix machine I have no answer at all, not even in the
command output window.
When I telnet some machine out of my network, with MacTcp Spy I can see
where my packets are going but when I use Mac X I can't

Any Ideas ???


Thanks in advance


Carlos Reed   creed@fse.ulaval.ca
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: gi@pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Gerald Imboden)
Subject: papif and AIX V3.2 
Organization: University of Bremen, pc-labor
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:02:39 GMT

Hello netfolk,

we have a LaerWriter IIg in our Unixnet. We want to use it as a netprinter. 
If I use papif, the green light of the LW is flashing. After a while I get 
the message "offending command". What do I wrong ?

Do you have any other advices, to use the LW as a netprinter?

Thank you,
Gerald
From: janolov@cdg.chalmers.se (Jan-Olov Lantto)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Socket 254
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:52:39 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

What is happening in our network? Our GatorBox CS keeps on reporting a lot of
"AR: bad FwdReq packet from (XXX.YY.254), ignored)" diagnostic messages, where
XXX stands for a LocalTalk network and YY for a node. All nodes are on the
LocalTalk side of the GatorBox.

None of my network management apps reports socket 254 as being in use. Does
anyone know which software uses socket 254?

  /Jolo
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  Jan-Olov Lantto - Research Engineer
  Dept. of Electrical Power Systems
  Chalmers University of Technology
  S-412 96, Goteborg, SWEDEN
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From: ercm20@festival.ed.ac.uk (Sam Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: MacTCP and window size
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:42:20 GMT

This may be an FAQ (though I've looked in the MacTCP information
produced by Eric Behr at spider.math.ilstu.edu but can't find anything
relevant) and if so I apologise.

We have a number of Macs running various versions of NCSA Telnet (with
and without MacTCP), Eudora etc..  We have one particular one, a IIfx
with an Apple ethernet card, which occasionally fails to make IP
connections to other hosts; not all the time, just sometimes.  It is
using MacTCP and the problem occurs with both Telnet and Eudora.  For
the interested what actually happens is that the host accepts the TCP
connection and then resets it.  The sequence is as follows:

1) Mac sends initial TCP connect packet (SYN) offering window of 1218
   bytes and TCP option of MSS of 536. 

2) Host responds (ACK and SYN) with its own window size of 4096 and MSS
   of 1480. 

3) Mac then ACKs this packet with its window still set at 1218 and no
   further TCP options. 

4) Host sends RST flag to reset the call.

I presume the host has decided that it can't cope with the combination
of a TCP window size of 1218 and an MSS of 1480.  We get exactly the
same behaviour when using either NCSA Telnet or Eudora.  On other
occasions, i.e.  when the thing works, the same Mac advertises a window
of 4221, as do other Macs using MacTCP, and everything works
beautifully. 

Since this seems to be independent of the specific application I assume
it's a MacTCP problem, possibly a shortage of memory.  Unfortunately I
don't know of any way of configuring memory for MacTCP (presumably it
uses the System heap) and can only guess that there's a general shortage
of System memory at the moments when this problem happens.  I'll
continue to investigate (though the machine is actually 2 miles away
from my office!) but if anyone has come across this sort of behaviour
I'd be interested in knowing. 

As I said it's a IIfx and Inter*Poll says System B1-7.0.1, Finder
B2-7.0, LaserWriter 7.1.1, Responder 201, AppleTalk 56, AppleShare 7.0. 
I don't know which version of MacTCP.


Sam Wilson
Network Services Division
Computing Services, The University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh, Scotland, UK
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: leservot@etca.fr (Arnaud Leservot)
Subject: Help wanted for NCSA running on an old MacSE
Keywords: NCSA 
Organization: E T C A  .  C R E A  .  SP    Arcueil, France
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:58:18 GMT



I have an old Mac SE and a hard disk working with four more recent 
Macs. We are working with system 7. We have a kinetics bridge between our
macs and a sun net. NCSA and the connection to the sun net works well
with each macs except mine. (Every node-number were well defined with 
TCP-IP : every things on my mac are like others).

Do you think my Mac is too old ? (Too old ROM version ?) 
Or do you have any other ideas to help me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Arnauld LESERVOT leservot@etca.etca.fr
From: pwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (pat wong)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: installing CAP on DG's AVIION under 5.4.2 DG/UX
Keywords: CAP "Data General" Aviion
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:01:31 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


has anyone managed to get CAP working on an AVIION? we seem to have
encountered some problems with it. 
please e-mail at  wonger@theodolite.ae.calpoly.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
Subject: Re: AppleTalk phase 2 & cisco routers
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:19:13 GMT

In article <93020.123807P88038@BARILVM.BITNET>, Noam G. Nudelman <P88038@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
>Hi,
>
>   Are there any known routing problems with cisco routers and
>Appletalk Phase 2 ?
>
>   Thank you in advance for your help,
>
>                                           Noam
>
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>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   |   /

I would not recommend version 8.2(6) as we've found a few Appletalk
bugs in it. We're upgrading to the latest version. Hopefully
all will go well.

		-John Kalucki
		johnk@gordian.com

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn)
Subject: Re: NFS for Macintosh
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:24:23 GMT

In <1993Jan23.032758.7492@netcom.com> proact@netcom.com (Proactive Software) writes:

>Our company has an application that runs on multiple platforms and we
>would like to be able to share the source code.  Currently we use NFS
>so our Sun machines and MS-DOS machines can access the same source code.
>How can we hook up our Macintoshes into this environment?  Is there a NFS
>product for the Macintosh that uses the MacTCP drivers and etherTalk?

There are a few: Wollongong Pathway NFS;  Intercon Mac NFS (?); .... 
But convince yourself that they do what you want.
I need a product that does *automatic* translations of Unix EOLs
(end-of-lines) to Mac EOLs.  I need that capability ``in both directions'': 
i.e. for files copied to the Mac from a Unix disk, and vice versa.
More than a year ago the Mac NFS packages I've heard of could not do that.
Maybe the latest releases can...

>Is the CAP software my solution?  Can CAP give my macs access to my 
>directories on the Unix machine?  

I think you will like it: it does EOL translations of text files
in both directions.
It also allows you to specify mappings of Unix filename extensions to
Mac file types/creators.  You can also specify a default file type/creator
(I've set that to "MPW Shell text files").
The only problem I have has to do with file dates/times after a
copy from Mac to Unix.  You can configure CAP such that the Unix-resident
file (when viewed from the Mac  with Get Info for example) 
still has the same date/time as its original on the Mac, but when
viewed from Unix (ls -l) the file's modification date/time is that of the
copy action.  That can give some problems with make files, but not
if you do all editing on the Mac (as I tend to do).

Good luck,
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Tero Siili <Tero.Siili@fmi.fi>
Subject: CAP & IRIX & System 7 aliases
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78449CE04013289@barsoom.fmi.fi>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:38:38 GMT
Organization: Ilmatieteen laitos / Finnish Meteorological Institute
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:45:58 GMT

Two problems:

1. CAP, IRIX and EtherTalk phase 2

As far as I/we can tell, CAP server running under IRIX 4.0.5. can not be 
configured to EtherTalk phase 2, we have had to put the server to phase 
1, which prevents us from fully benefitting from EtherTalk phase 2 
possibilities.  Has anyone out there a CAP version for IRIX, which would 
work under phase 2?

2. CAP and system 7 aliases

I already know that CAP does not retain file ID's (as AppleShare volumes 
should) and therefore aliases pointing to CAP folders/files from other 
volumes (such as local Mac HD) do not work.  Is anyone working around 
this or working on a fix and when might such a patch be available?  How 
about commercial products - are they any better in this respect?

Best regards,

Tero Siili
From: trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Zone and Address relations
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:54:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc6.ins.cwru.edu

In article <1993Jan26.182724.22876@animal.inescn.pt> Luis Miguel Quinta <lquinta@animal.inescn.pt> writes:
>Is this correct ? shouldn't a zone name have a unique net address as in
>localtalk zones ?

Yes, what you saw is correct.  You can have the same zone name show up
anywhere you want on your network, regardless of the underlying network
number of the segment it is wrong.

This works for LocalTalk, too, not just Ethernet or Phase II.

There is _no_ one-to-one mapping of network number and zone name.  The
two concepts are completely independent of each other.

-- 
Stephen Trier                      
Network software type              
Case Western Reserve University    
trier@ins.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: ccchoy@uxmail.ust.hk (Charles Choy )
Subject: aarpd problem on SUN4.1.3 ethertalk phase 2
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:25:15 GMT


We have installed CAP6.0 patchlevel 126 on our IPX running SUNOS 4.1.3.
We are using native ethertalk phase 2.  Only aarpd and atis are started.
At the beginning, everything works fine and atlook returns all the appletalk
nodes.  However, after about 5 mintues, the number of nodes returned by atlook
decreases gradually and finally atlook does not return any node.  After that,
even getzones return error (1096 - too many retries)
aarpd log says many (10 or 20)

	etalk_resolve: node 57/0.2 try again later

each time we invoke getzones or atlook. (I suppose 2.57 is our bridge)

Our sniffer shows that node 2.57 does response to the aarp request from
the IPX but the IPX just keeps on sending aarp request to the net and
nothing else.  Finally everything times out.  

Does anybody have similar experience on this?

Thanks,
Charles
From: caywood@teb.larc.nasa.gov (John Caywood)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Why does atis burn so much CPU time ??
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:45:18 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: teb.larc.nasa.gov

In article <C1807v.KpC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink) writes:
|> According to ps, on our RS/6000 system, atis is using tremendous
|> amounts of cpu cycles, even when no one is using the system.
|> Is this normal ?
|> 
Must be normal -- I see the same behavior on Sun Sparc 2.
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