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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:31:00 CDT
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Subject:      RE:Handicap Digest # 2949

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        I do hope this gets through; I haven't seen DEAF-L listings
        for a while now.......HELLO, ANYONE HOME???
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        Hi all,
        This listing is from l-hcap and I thought someone on
        deaf-l might have a legal comment for this person.

>            disability act, deafness, and inpatient hospital care

>Subject: disability act, deafness, and inpatient hospital care
>From: mro@thumper.bellcore.com (Mike Ordun)
>Organization: Bellcore MRE

>I need some advice regarding a recent experience.  A young deaf
>woman that I know required emergency psychiatric admission to a
>local hospital for some problems that she needed help with.  This
>was a voluntary admission on her part and took place on a Friday
>evening.  What legal responsibility does the hospital have to
>provide a sign interpreter and in what time frame?  I demanded that
>an interpreter be present during group sessions on the floor and
>during Dr. visits.  I felt that written and other communication was
>adequate for casual kinds of contact but for theraputic
>communication an interpreter was essential and that the hospital
>was negligent if it was not provided.  I stated this very stongly
>to hospital administration;  I was not a popular person.
>
>The hospital said that they were trying to find an interpreter but
>were having a lot of trouble.  I kind of doubt their sincerity and
>don't think that they tried real hard unitl Monday when my wife and
>myself started making a real stink.  They were not successful in
>finding anyone before she was discharged late on the following
>Tuesday; a major factor in the discharge was the inability of the
>institution to provide a theraputic environment.
>
>To try to put things into prespective, my wife and myself were
>involved because this young woman lives with us while she is trying
>to get her life back together.  She has had a rather troubled past
>and my family is all the family that she has now.
>
>As I see it there are a couple of issues here.  First what exactly
>were the hospitals responsibilities?  They claimed to be trying to
>find an interpreter but without success. I believe that they should
>have anticipated this kind of situation and been prepared
>beforehand.  Nevertheless, where could (should) they have gone for
>an interpreter?  This all took place in Northern NJ within easy
>travel distance of the NY metropolitan area.  With respect to my
>friend, things are OK now but I really want to be prepared if I
>ever have to go through this again and most of all want to ensure
>that it dosen't happen to anyone again who might be faced with a
>similar situation at this hospital.
>
>Thanks -- Mike Ordun
>mro@thumper.bellcore.com
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:04:45 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      parental motivation

     This post is not about the relative merits of speaking and
speechreading versus signing, but about the motivation of parents.

     Once again, someone on the list has baldly repeated one of the most
cherished shibboleths of signers and their supporters. I don't have the
message in front of me, but it invariably goes something like this:

     Hearing parents want their deaf child to speak and speechread because
     the parents are driven by an egoistical desire for their child to be
     like themselves...instead of choosing what is best for the child.

     Always, the implication is that oral skills are NOT what is best for a
child...being like his hearing parents (and brothers and sisters and
grandparents and cousins and neighbors and future co-workers) is NOT what
is best for a child.
     It's true that SOME hearing parents are ashamed of having a deaf
child, and more so of having a deaf child who cannot speak. That doesn't
mean that all or most parents are like that.
     Those who parrot this line cannot swallow the idea that most parents
who choose speaking and speechreading as the primary mode of communication
for their child may be acting in what they honestly believe are the best
interests of the child.
   So the detractors try to send hearing parents on a guilt
trip...attributing ulterior motives to what may well be a sincere effort by
the parents to give their child the best possible preparation for a happy,
fulfilling and successful life.

     On the other hand:
     What are we to say about the motivation of deaf parents who want their
children to be born deaf?
     Does this not indicate an egoistical desire for their children to be
like themselves?
     Does this not go counter to the best interests of their children --
who, if they are born deaf, will face a lifetime of struggle, frustration,
deprivation, discrimination, isolation, underachievement and other
disadvantages which they would not encounter if they were born hearing?

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:12:19 EDT
From:         Chris Hafemeister-Salage <CHSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: John Tracy Clinic
              19 Sep 1992 20:52:53 GMT from <zevpeter@CHEN.BGU.AC.IL>

Bill:

I can see the point u r comming from but I strongly suggest u take the same
effort to learn abt ur son's culture -- Deaf. Two books will start u out..
"Seeing Voices" by Dr. Oliver Sachs, and "Deaf in America - Voices from a
Culture" by Carol Padden and Tom Humphries. I wud also suggest u try contacting
Marie Phillip at the Learning Center in Framington Mass. Maybe Seth Gordon on
this list wud be willing and able to help u with that.

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Chris Hafemeister-Salage
CHSHC @ CUNYVM
CHSHC @ CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:04:00 EST
From:         andrea tybus <KQ3W@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      KA-BLOOIE! (Luckily, Not!)

I am happy to hear you are still in one peice.  You must have been
scared out of your wits when you woke up this morning.  I would
have panicked for sure.  Do you live at college in a dorm or at
an apartment??? Either way it's still scarey.  I blew up my
grandmothers gas stove when I was a kid.  I wanted to bake a cake.
I  thought how hard can it be to light the oven?  Silly me.  I
turned the gas on full blast and my friend stuck a match in.
The thing went BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!  I went flying backwards fell
on the floor and did a backward roll.  My friends hair stood strait
up on end she went flying back into the kitchen sink.  Both of us
never laughed so hard in all of our lives.   The stove miraculously
was o.k. after that.I guess it was just some sort of large combustion
of air that sent us soring.

Anyway.......My name is Andrea.  Nice to meat you.  Talk to ya soon.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:24:49 CDT
From:         "Kimberly J. Laird" <U30993@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Second-stage problems in conversation
              30 Sep 1992 11:01:11 -0700 from <vlb@MAGIC.AUX.APPLE.COM>

On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:01:11 -0700 Vicki Brown said:
 [Much deleted here ....  ]

>
>Ah, but here the rules change.  In an elevator, hearing people all stand facing
>the door and No-one talks to anybody.  Sometimes a few people will get on and
>continue a conversation but they sort of huddle together and lower their
>voices.  If you say something to the other person in the elevator you'll
>probably be looked at funny :-)
>
Should you ever desire some "excitement" in your life, try gettting on
the elevator and stand facing the back.  I know of one guy who would
do this just to break up the monotony of standing in an elevator
facing the door without speaking or looking at anyone.  If you try
this don't be surprised if people give you lots and lots of space.

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E-mail address is for Univ. of Illinois..... new ID appearing
soon...
From: STU_K3HARKIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU (K. Harkins)
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Subject: Re: phone answering machine
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:09:11 GMT
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Hi,
        May be helpfull to you, maybe not:
        I have an at&t phone/answering-machine at home .. when I am at
work I can call it and give it a touch-tone code whereupon it will
play to me any messages.  This is a method for two seperate phone lines,
however it should work with 1 line and 2 phones (or if the answering
machine is seperate, the machine and 1 phone) : each area has a 3-digit
number associated with it that will ring all the phones on a line, (my
Dad uses that feature all the time since one of the phones is in another
building to call the main house).  Anyways, you should be able to get that
number from your local phone company, then you can come home, dial that
number, it will ring your machine, and then you can key in your authorization
code and the machine will play back it's messages to you.  (I like it b/c
it keeps me from deleting messages by mistake :)
                -Kevin Harkins
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:02:00 EDT
From:         FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT
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Don't I have to have a more significant hearing loss to bother them folx?
I'd feel terrible if I used up limited resources while some poor fella out
there somewhere got rejected... all because of me.  Budget cuts here in NY
are reaching HORRIFIC proportions.

Sarah
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:09:55 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Volunteering to firefighting etc.

Someone was surprised to be told of a deaf person who volunteered to
do firefighting.  He asked about volunteering to firefighting, police,
army etc.

Well, in Israel, hearing impaired persons are exempt from military service
(which is cumpulsory for almost everyone else at ages 18 to 20 or 21).
However they may volunteer for army service if they want to.  Not every
volunteer is accepted.  Of course, they get assigned to non-combat jobs.

I wonder whether there is really need for voice communication in 'combat
situations' during firefighting.                       --- Omer
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: LGB language - and quality of DEAF-L newsgroup
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:12:56 GMT


i think it's relevant as far as labels are concerned.
if you don't like it, put it in your killfile and stop
wasting bandwidth complaining.

-teddy
From: 91babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
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Subject: KA-BLOOIE! (Luckily, Not!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:46:32 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I could have died last night....the first time being hard of hearing and
living alone has been a problem....

The pilot light went out on my stove (gas stove)....the burner got turned 
on full (I don't know how this happened)....I couldn't hear it hissing...

I woke up at 6:00 a.m., opened my bedroom door, and walked out into an 
apartment full of gas....

Luckily, I didn't go KA-BLOOIE in the night....I don't know why not, I 
swear it was an act of divine intervention....also, having had my bedroom 
door closed (something I never do), kept me from being asphyxiated by the 
gas....

I'll tell you what...it certainly scared the bejeebers out of me!  I have 
developed stove paranoia!!!!

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
                 "Faith is to believe what we do not see,
         and the reward of this faith is to see what we believe..."
			       St. Augustine
__________________Lisamarie Gemma Babik__91babik@gw.wmich.edu__________________
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:41:35 -0400
From:         "(Seth Gordon)" <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>

's message of Mon, 21 Sep 1992 23:31:00 EDT
 <9209220346.AA23615@silver.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Profound deafness

    Sarah says:
    "If she brushed me off [she did], find another audiologist."

    Excellent advice, and EXACTLY what I'd do if I had health insurance....

The state Vocational Rehabilitation Commission (or whatever it's
called in New York) might give you a free audiological examination
*and* hearing aids, if they decide it's necessary to help you get a
job, and, of course, if they have enough money to pay for it.

If they don't help you, maybe you can move to a country that has a
civilized health-care system.  Buy an ad in the "Singles" section
of the _Toronto Globe and Mail._  ;-)
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience
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From: famatthews@GALLUA.BITNET (Allen Matthews)
Subject: Re: Vounteering to firefighting etc.
Organization: Gallaudet University, Washington, D.C.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:33:41 GMT


This mail was posted on EMERG-L and posted to DEAF-L with permission
of the original author Steven Schrader...  I will try to get him
to join DEAF-L...  Here is his background..
*****************************************************
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Time to get in my 2 cents worth.
I have been deaf since birth, raised in a school for the deaf
in North Carolina and became a paid firefighter with the 
City of Morrow in Georgia.

I have scanned through some of the posted items and I am amazed.

YES.......there is a deaf firefighter and a EMT... and paid, too.
Let me introduce myself. You can call me " CATFISH ". I have been
both a volunteer and paid fireman since 1977 in Georgia. My qualifications
includes...
Smoke diver
Fire Academy Instructor
Rescue Specialist with GEMA
Hazardous Material specialist
Auto Extrication Instructor
CPR Instructor
Advanced Firefighter
EVOC- emergency vehicle operation
SCUBA-Search and Rescue
Tatical Rope Rescue Team - GEMA
L.P. Gas
Emergency Medical Technician - since 1979
First Aid Officer with Canton FD, GA.
Water Rescue Instructor

and I could go on....

I also own and operates TRI-COMM EMS FOR THE DEAF ambulance Service
in Atlanta as well as TRI-COMM DEAF EMS CONSULTANT SERVICE.

We primarily teach local EMS, Fire and Law Enforcement agencies
on how to work with deaf patients in pre-hospital settings. I was
responsible for implementing TTYs in different 911 system of Georgia.

And the highlight of my career was being employed at the Grady Memorial
Hospital as a EMT, Neonatal Transport Team and Mainteance Co-ordinator.
Grady EMS was based at Grady and is considered a prestige job. The 
hospital is the 3rd largest Trauma center in the country. So I've seen
it all....and I have paid for it by being stabbed, shot and ambushed.
I am currently being treated for Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome and 
doing well. In fact, Walter Cronkite of CBS NEWS implied on a show
" Violence across America", that for every two years at GRADY EMS is
a year in Vietnam. I did 5. And I lost partners to suicide and Heart
attacks.

Finally, it was " BURN OUT " time for me. I am avoiding EMS and just
doing suppression during fire calls with a local Fire Department as 
a volunteer while a student with Gallaudet University in Washington, DC.
I just completed a book, " The Silent Alarm " to be published for next
spring. The book illustrates my disability and how I worked with it and
around it. 

I am deaf and I am proud.

				Steven..

*************

 
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Allen Matthews - Supervisor, Computer Operation
Gallaudet University Computer Services, Washington, D.C. 

  Bitnet: FAMATTHEWS@GALLUA			(202) 651-5276 TDD
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:17:38 -0400
From:         "(Seth Gordon)" <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      taking advantage of the government
              25 Sep 1992 15:56:51 BST <9209251532.AA28949@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

    Bosco says:
    A point of principle is being able to say I earned the degree, not
    that other people 'made it easy' for me to obtain. Hiring a notetaker
    would be a waste of taxpayers money, and I cringe at the thought of
    some D/deaf people milking the support systems unnecessarily rather
    than developing self-reliance.

This raises some sticky political issues.  At what point does using
government-sponsored services "waste the taxpayers money" or "milk the
support systems"?

The urban transportation system is heavily subsidized by the
government (mass transit subsidies, road maintainence by various
cities, etc.).  Since my income is so small, I may be receiving more
benefits from the government than I am paying back in taxes--
especially since I have no car and therefore pay no gasoline tax.
Should I feel guilty about milking the Mass. Bay Transportation
Authority subsidy?  Is it unfair that other people are paying taxes to
make it easier for me to visit my friends at MIT?  Should all city
streets be privately owned, with tollbooths at every corner?
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seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
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From:         andrea tybus <KQ3W@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      LGB language - and quality of DE AF-L newsgroup

I did not complain.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:23:39 -0600
From:         The Shadow <THESHADO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: RE:question on vocabulary

>        Interesting question.   I have seen several myself.
>
>      1.The "upside-down" "Q" to the chin; --Queer--
>      2.The "G" to the chin, (with index finger touching); --Gay--
>      3.The "L" with the palm on the front of the chin;  --Lesbian--
>        (this next one's cute and comical)
>      4.The "I" first touching the tip of the tongue, then across the eyebrow
>        as if to make it straight, then, across the "beau-font" or the
>        hairdo; (don't really know what the "I"'s for?)  --Fairy--
>
>      5.Dominant hand with "upside-down" "U"/ with a revolving "C-shape"
>        in back of the "U",(implying one's booty);  --Prissy--
>
       .
       .
       .
>        BTW, you didn't mention the signs you knew.....huh?

Okay.  I know all of the above, except #5.  I've seen #4 done using the
middle finger instead of the I-hand.  Also, a variation on #4 takes the
8-hand on its side, fingers touch the lips like one is wetting one's
fingertips, then move the hand up over the nose and spread the thumb and
the middle finger in a motion like one is slicking back one's eyebrows.
The one I mentioned that is mostly used among homosexuals, and more in
the East than the West, is a simply tugging on the earlobe with the thumb
and forefinger.


Kirk Haines
theshado@outlaw.uwyo.edu
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From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: KA-BLOOIE! (Luckily, Not!)
              06 Oct 92 13:04:00 -0500. <9210061709.AA02009@Athena.MIT.EDU>

I'm surprised those gas thingees dont come with more warning labels...

Lets hope this doesnt happen TOO often..

As an undergraduate in Mechanical Egrg, I can give my two bits worth on gas
stoves:
1) If the top stove isnt lighting, to light it, FIRST light the match, then turn
on the stove...
2) When you're done cooking, make a visual check on the dials!


Adam
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:42:14 -0400
From:         "(Seth Gordon)" <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Second-stage problems in conversation

    Chris says:
    I find that 90% of conversations between hearing people are just "blab,
    blab" (no offense to those here) and I consider them just "space fillers"
    and I think that's probably because hearing people want to avoid 'pregnant
    silences.'  ;)

In mainstream American culture, it is often considered rude to speak
bluntly; it's more polite to "beat around the bush" and raise
emotionally charged issues gradually or indirectly.  In Deaf culture,
according to my (Deaf) boss, the reverse is true.

And there are certainly hearing people out there who are addicted to
hearing the sound of their own voice, regardless of how important or
well-thought-out their words are.  (Of course, nobody *I* know has
this affliction.  Honest.  :-)
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From: skjetne@si.no (Jan Haavard Skjetne)
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Subject: Text interpretation
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:06:16 GMT
Organization: SI

My name is Jan Haavard Skjetne and I am working at the National 
Council of Technical Aids for Disabled Persons. We are now 
evaluating the possibilities of introducing simultaneous text
interpretation to Norway, and we are now collecting as much 
information as possible on the following:

 - How are peoples experience with simultaneous text 
   interpretation - good and bad?
 - Are there any new products in the marked?

Any comments is appreciated.

Jan H&vard Skjetne
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From: tedebear@leland.stanford.edu (Theodore Chen)
Subject: phone answering machine
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:10:29 GMT


hi, guys.  i'm in the market for a phone answering machine.
i'm trying to find one that will play back messages through
the phone... *my* phone.  that means i want to be able to
come in, pick up the phone, and play back my messages and hear
it on the phone.

seems like a rather unusual way, doesn't it?  it's pretty simple.
i can understand better with my hearing aid set to inductive coupling
(set to "T") than with the low fidelity speaker of the answering machine.
i'd just get voice mail, but i also need to be able to record phone
calls in case somebody calls and i can't understand him/her.  at least
i think i do.  one of the attractive things about voice mail is that
it's digitized and the sound quality is better.

one option that i've come up with is a cordless phone/answering machine
that can play back messages through the cordless handset.  thing is,
i already have a cordless phone.  and the system costs $200.
-teddy
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