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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:08:00 -0400
From:         Song Weaver <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Misc.

>Wasn't it (politician) Pat Robertson who said that the Constitution only grants
>rights to Christians?  Or was that some other kook?

That was George Bush (I kid you not).

I don't have the original post but I do remember that someone posted
an interview with Bush where he discussed that topic on this very
list, though it was a few years ago.

--Julie

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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:48:28 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: *yawn*

>topics to be covered:  kicking out the moderates in the gop
>                       the ever-popular tortured language effect; or,
>                       political correctness takes a holiday
>                       what to do about mice
>                       john foster dulles
>                       conspicuous consumption
>                       architecture in the vast wasteland
>                       the murder-suicide phenomenon
>                       how gary olson became the center of the universe
>
>stay tuned to this bat-channel....
>                                         * * * anneliese

wow. that is soooooo weird. I'm like, oh my god, we had this
bat (the fourth in three months) in the house last night, you know?
and then after an hour of bat chasing, with the Marine wearing the
batmits, weilding and old Louisville Slugger he finally "deals with
it" in that way that Marine's have of "dealing with" things.

and, like, i come into the office and liese makes mention of
bats first thing this am. That is just too weird.

Therefore: as E ticket co-candidate, i hereby announce that
we will have a house psychic who will be busy reading minds
and solving the UFO problems. We'll have an entire cabinate.
The ESPD.

you heard it hErE first.

jEnnifEr    "even though karma doesn't have an E, its still a good thing"
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:07:42 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Listen to what s/he said not what s/he meant
              19 Aug 1992 10:00:30 EDT from <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Back to Missy: I have a question or two regarding this self-defense
business.  If the situation is that either both will die or only the
mother can be saved, then I have no problem.  But in a situation
where one can be saved, why should it be the mother.  Is the
child any less human, with less rights?  If all else is equal,
I have to give the vote to save the baby, after all s/he did not
have any say in the pregnancy.

                       There are very few actual medical situations
                       in which the life chances of each party are
                       equal.  In those cases, the mother, the
                       doctor, and the family must decide together
                       what shall be done.  This is an extreme case,
                       a back-to-the-wall case, a case in which there
                       can be nothing else done but decide between two
                       evils.  Only the family can make this decision.
                       And only God can forgive the action that is taken.

           Are not we not going to consider the fact that it was the
woman who invited the innocent child into her womb?  Didn't she know
that there is a chance of complication?file file kat that calculated
risk and lost why should a defenseless innocent child pay the price?

                       Certainly she did.  And she and her doctor
                       and her family have a duty to do everything
                       possible to preserve the life of the child.
                       When that life *cannot* be preserved, there
                       is nothing more to be done filekat (what is
                       this?  some subliminal attempt to get me
                       to throwstopabortion your postings
                       stopabortionaway?  :-) ).

                              --Missy P 2 B
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: clinton the tax king
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:19:00 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92081915584695@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET (fred) writes...
>According to CNN, the citizens of arkansas have the SECOND LOWEST per
>capita tax rate in the nation. Boy, that sure makes bill look like a
>tax the hell out of them kind of guy. 

	It all depends on how much there is available to tax in the 
first place.

	Arkansas also has the third lowest rate of per capita income.
CNN must have forgot to mention that.

	The only states with lower rates of per capita income are 
Mississippi and West Virginia.


=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Date: 21 Aug 92 22:15:00 GMT
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[...]

> 
>Thanks for all the birthday greetings!  It's great to hear from computer
>users throughout the world.
> 
>I look forward to taking my Putting People First message throughout the
>country as we head through the final phase of the campaign.
> 
>Thanks again for the greetings and and all your help.
> 
>I look forward to hearing from you!
> 
>Bill Clinton

	Great Bill! I'll be looking forward to seeing you on Sunday, 
when your bus capade cruises through Buffalo. I'll be wearing the red 
shirt with the big black "X" on it.

=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:59:43 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: remedial civics; or,
              moral outrage as the lingua franca of the gop

Please remember that the Clinton 60-minutes interview was held at the
request of the Clintons, specifically to rebut the accusations about
Gennifer Flowers.  It would have been pretty stupid of the interviewer
to ignore the subject.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:22:13 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: help

From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>

> set politics mail
> set politics repro

set Carl quiet
set Carl intelligent

--KAT :-)

p.s.  All those threats about contacting someone's sysop was
a hollow one, for you could have never gotten past the log-on
procedure.  :-)
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:42:20 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: from the battered wives

>Posted on 12 Aug 1992 at 11:29:43 by Tim Johnson
>
>from the battered wives
>
>Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:23:04 EDT
>Reply-To:     Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
>From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
>
>
>  Would that way be assault and battery?
>
>  But the real question is, was PJ in his Batman pj's?
>
>                             -Tim

He was wearing something he claimed to have found under my bed,
but they looked way too big on him...those jammies obviously
belong to someone taller who must have left them behind one night.

xoxo Jenna
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Night 3 at the ol' RNC

>   julie, are you maybe thinking of liberace? welk just died a few
>months ago, from liver disease or some such. no aids stuff was cited
>as cause of death.

okay-so liberace i knew about. phew! at least i knew about that.
liver disease? all the champaign i suppose.
-linda

>rtf
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:43:15 CDT
From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: About Buchanan

'ello 'ello 'ello,

>Clinton blew it so much that he had a 20-30 point lead after the convention.

Ancient history.  In case you haven't squinted at a newpaper lately or heard
the local or national vocals on the TV or radio the 'dropping' lead is now
only....um....19 points.  The media refers to it as a 'whopping' 19 points,
when only just before that it was the 'whopping' 30 points.  My, how soooon,
they forget, or want you to forget.  Oh, the liberal-bull hype of our lovely
4th estate.

However, even the various medias know..and have said.. that after any political
convention there is always the over-inflated point hype that always fades.
So, even after the Republican Convention there will be the usual 'surge', but
the points will even out to a lot closer race as the days pass.

Now, why is Clinton's 'whopping' 30 point lead down to only 19 points?  Could
it be that our lovely liberal press is overblowing Clinton?...YES.  Could it
be that people are catching on to the (har-har) moderate charade of the Demo-
crats?...YES.  Did you notice Senator Kennedy's corpse-like enthusiasm for
Clinton's speech, as well as the liberal Democrat leaders at the Garden?..YES.
Did they appear to be worried?..YES.  Does even Senator Kennedy know a loser
when he sees one?.....YES.  Are people catching on the grotesque taxing plans
of Clinton?....YES.  Are they remembering the joys of the last time we had a
Democratic president and a Democratic Congress?....YES!!!!  KABOOM!!!  The
Clinton bubble 'blows.'

But then, if you want those good 'ol days back then Clinton is your man.  But
he is not mine.  We will all have to wait and see what happens after the
Republican Convention, then we can do more dog-fighting.

Sue Clark
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:49:53 EDT
From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the gipper saves the night from being sank by the loose
              buchanan

>And what do you suppose would happen if Clinton got elected with
>a Republican majority in the House and the Senate?
>
He'd lobby the hostile congress to push his legislation through, much
like President Reagan (who was a former governor) did and much like
President Bush (who's spent decades in DC) hasn't.

I thought I made some good points about the "blame-it-on-congress" line
that the GOP has been taking.  I've received some favorable feedback
privately.  Anything to refute my assertions other than blind reiteration?
    todddddddd
>
>--Missy P 2 B

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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:01:34 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: question to Missy J
              18 Aug 1992 15:24:41 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU>

Kerry:

I would not be disappointed.  Politics is politics, and Republican
delegates know enough to look at the big picture.  Most of the
daytime speakers have strongly supported that particular plank
(though they had no obligation to do so.)  Bringing Pat Buchanan
back into the fold to say what he did on the issue is another good
sign.  Bush's response to David Brinkley on Sunday strongly
supported the plank.  Having Pat Robertson speak (and I guarantee
he will mention it prominently) means that the party leadership is
listening to the prolife majority of the Republican party (which is
more than they've felt for the past 4 -- in some cases 6 -- years.)

Another interesting aspect is that even the strong prolifers are
talking about the platform as a *whole* and concentrating their
attacks on the economic and political question of getting the
"block-anything, do-nothing" check-bouncing Democrat Congress
out on its ear, so that the President will be able to get something
done.

Overall, I think the GOP has handled the issue well, resisting the
urge of the media to make it a major event.  The Republican delegates
are not there to get people to switch (or even state) positions on
abortion--that was a minor duty in the grander scheme of things.  They
are there to get George Bush re-elected and expose the Congress and
Clinton for what they are--a recipe for fiscal armageddon.  For the
GOP delegates, abortion is only part of a much larger goal.

At the Democrat convention, it seemed to be the only goal.

I urge you all again, watch CSPAN and ignore the spin doctors on the
Big 3 networks.  The party is not what it is being painted as.

---Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:45:49 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      praise bob!

linda sue....

'frop is the substance through which we come closer to the light of the
world, the savior of our souls, and the guy who can getcha a really good
deal on some used stereo equipment, j.r."bob" dobbs.  'frop gives you
the slack you need to get through a day of dealing with the pinks.

give me slack!  or give me death!  or on second thought, make that a pizza!

"bob" leads us, like a shepherd.  actually, bob leads us like alan shepard.
the church of the subgenius was founded by j.r. "bob" dobbs, to show us
the way to greater self-actualization and to help him buy a mercedes.
the key reverends who now interface with "bob" are the rt. rev. ivan
stang (husband of lydia lunch) and rt. rev. orgone generator and rt.
rev. candy streeter and rt. rev. mark mothersbaugh.  i am not a rt. rev.,
but am a sister because the face of "bob" was revealed to me some years
ago on one side of a flour tortilla.

the stark fist of removal approacheth...hist to the call.  'frop will
see us through.

remember:  "bob" loves you, and your money.  this gets me through the tough
times.  i mean that.

i bid you farewell, with our traditional closing:

jesus is our hope
jesus is our bob
bob is our hope
jesus is bob hope

                                       * * *sister liese, first apostle of
                                            the holy mexican staple food
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:41:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Slips of the tongue

>Japanese bombed pearl harbor and quoted Churchill's comments about how
>it was a day that "will live in infamy."  What Bush did not seem to

did bush say churchill or did you?
wasn't it FDR who said that?

>--Julie

-linda
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: About Buchanan
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              19 Aug 1992 12:35:26 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WV NET.EDU>

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:35:26 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:
>For what it's worth, the one number I remember is this:  if the wealthiest
>2% were still paying the same rates they were before the 80's cuts, their
>taxes in 1991 would amount to about $70 billion (or maybe it was million --
>I'll have to check).

Okay, that's a total figure. But how much are those 2% paying now?  If
the increase is nominal, then it supports my concern(s).  As an example,
if those 2% are now paying $50 billion and changing their rates increases
it to a {total} of $70 billion, then from the perspective of the
federal budget, it's not all that much...

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: clinton the tax king
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On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:54:53 CDT fred said:
>According to CNN, the citizens of arkansas have the SECOND LOWEST per
>capita tax rate in the nation. Boy, that sure makes bill look like a
>tax the hell out of them kind of guy.

Some state has to be first, some state has to be last.  Ranking them
does little to provide evidence beyond the desire to be a beancounter.

If they were 49th BC (before clinton) and 49th AC (after clinton)
but the tax rate went from 5% to 10%, one could say they are 49th,
that the tax rate doubled, or the tax rate increased 5%.  So which
is it for CNN's story?

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:27:36 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading List

News magazines:  Business Week, National Review, New Republic
Literary magazines:  the New Yorker
Newspapers:  Akron Beacon Journal, Cleveland Plain Dealer, Wall Street
   Journal, New York Times
TV:  Wall Street Week, Washington Week in Review, CNN, ABC
Radio:  Too busy listening to my scanners and tapes.

Evelyn Duncan
From: SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET (more noise please)
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Here's something I pinched from "alt.zine", that should be of interest to
anyone out there with anarchist/libertarian leanings.  It sounds way cool
to me, but your mileage may vary.

Gary W. Olson                 "Gentlemen, you see that in the anarchy in which
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   we live society manages much as before.  Take
75 days and counting down...   care, if our disputes last too long, that the
                               people do not come to think that they can very
                               easily do without us." - a possibly apocryphal
                               quote attributed to Ben Franklin
-----------------------pass to texas here-----------------------
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:28:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: George Bush on abortion

>Souter backed up O'Connor saying that RvW was an established ruling
>that should not be overturned.

 yeah, and i think that shocked the sh*t out of george et.al.
-linda

>Robert Weiss
>psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Re: George Bush on Abortion <yawn>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:48:13 GMT

In <POLITICS%92081711542551@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:

>For the Record:

>George Bush is *not* pro-choice.  When David Brinkley pressed him on
>the "granddaughter question" this weekend, Bush reiterated the "love
>and support" statement.  David Brinkley then reminded Bush that, if
>the current GOP platform were to be law, "you wouldn't have that option."
>"Well," replied Bush, "she couldn't have an abortion."  Brinkley
>paused, said something like "well, yes," and Bush said (without
>being prompted) "Fine with me."

>If this is prochoice, you prochoice people had better re-think your
>arguments and your position; they don't make any sense.

Rethink our arguments and position about what?  Bush is the one guilty
of double-talk not us.  Indeed, one of the undercurrents of the whole
Weiss/Covey strand of this thread is that Weiss maintains that Bush is
either cynically saying one thing (he delcares himself prolife) and
doing/not doing another (he has made little [in Weiss's opinion]
progress in making abortion illegal).  

What I see in Bush, Babs, and Quayle's recent comments on abortion is an
attempt to keep pro-choice Republicans in the big tent.  But the poles
are rotten and the ropes are tangled; the big tent is about to fall
down.  I also see a somewhat hypocritical avoidance on the part of Bush
and Quayle of coming to grips with the fact that criminalizing abortion
means punishing not only those who perform them, but those who have them
performed.  Bush and Quayle, and the pro-life wing of the Republican
party, would just as soon not answer that question--at least not until
after Nov. 3.

>--Missy P 2 B
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