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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Four Food Groups (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:33:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct12.153324.25777
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct12.050346.8428@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.002055.21267@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>Not at all.  The four food groups are sugar, starch, fat and salt.
>>Petroleum is obviously a member of the fat family.
>
>Wait a second.  I thought the 4 food groups were alcohol, caffeine, fat, and
>sugar. Therefore Irish Coffee is the perfect food.  Right?
>
>Bill
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	No!  It's Pizza!

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From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Going out to eat with a 2 year old
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:52:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: hacgate.23638


We're starting to have problems with our 2 year old when we
go out to a restaurant.  She used to sit in a high chair
pretty well, and we could entertain her with crayons, etc.
Our 9 month old does real well.

Well, recently, our 2 year old, Melissa, would not sit at
the table at all.  She insisted on running all over the place.
We tried talking to her, grabbing her, and bringing her back
to the table, mommy holding her in her lap, etc.  She just
got worse, until we cut the meal short.  Luckily, we were there
pretty early, and the restaurant was almost empty.

We used to enjoy going out to eat with the girls, but we
can't ruin other peoples meals.

Our only solution right now is to leave the girls at home with
a sitter and go out by ourselves.  But I would like to go out
as a family sometimes too.

How do you keep a 2 year old entertained and busy at the table,
hopefully eating too.  The crayon and paper idea isn't working
very well any more.  Any ideas?

Sandy
smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:19:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.142752.26059@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>   Another strategy is to make a joke of the sort where they have to
>   think twice about whether they've been insulted or not, and then have
>   the crowd laugh.  Some big American girl was telling me to "go back
>   where I came from" because I stood up for these other girls when she
>   cut the line.  I said, "I'm sorry there's no going back for you, wherever
>   you popped out from."  Giggles from the chorus.  Bully slinks off.

This reminded me of a story from college.  In the dorm, there were 2 major
groupings (the studious and the not-so-studious).  My friend's dorm room
door was in the process of being vandalized when we came back in.  He
walked over and bounced the guy off the wall.  Instant tension as we all
braced for the explosion.  The "bouncee" retorted "Everyone on this
campus thinks you're a dork".  My friend (who was absolutely red in the
face he was so mad) came back with "What did you do, take a poll?".  It
was hysterical, everyone broke up and that was the end of it (at least for
that evening...).

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [28 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.postmodern
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:05:19 GMT

In article <eLqosB5w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>
>I am not trying to "blame the victim." I am looking for victim
>characteristics -- which, like some varieties of defenselessness,
>may clearly imply an obviously blameless victim.
>

You're talking about "victim mentality" which has very little correlation to
actual victimization.  Some people can feel like victims in life having never
been victims in any real sense while others can be victims of major crimes and
never develop "victim mentality". 

There are people who view themselves as completely helpless to have any 
influence in their lives.  This can be a deep seeded childhood neurosis or
just part of a very passive personality.  It can even come from getting lots
of attention for being a victim at some point in the past and seeking that same
method for achieving one's goals.  Whatever the cause, victim mentality becomes
a self fulfilling prophecy.  It is, perhaps, not unlike battered syndrome.  
The victim seeks out situations in which they will be taken advantage of.

Studies of rapists and muggers indicate that they seek victims they believe 
will not fight back.  They determine this by the way the person walks and holds
themselves.  So there is some belief that people who believe they are victims
slump, walk unconfidently, etc.  None of these studies were done on schoolyard
bullies, but on adults in jail.  So if there is a correlation, I haven't heard
of it. 

I think the big difference here is the way the victim of the crime looks at the
situation.  People with "victim mentality" will blame themselves or feel sorry
for themselves.  People who are "mentally healthy (by some standard definition)"
will get angry, blame the perpetrator, etc.  

Is that what you're talking about?
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:37:23 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.135016.26193@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
|  Playgrounds ARE real life.  Girls
|  get beat up, and sexually harrassed.  Girls get their heads flushed
|  in the toilet by other girls.  Girls get cigarette burns, earrings
|  pulled, bit, scratched, punched, kicked.  Girls get beaten up by
|  so-called boyfriends.  Girls get raped, molested, subject of catcalls
|  and obscene language, threats, and occasionally killed for not going
|  out with some guy.  (Just happened here in New Rochelle).  Lots
|  of sexual harrassment occurs on school buses and in the school
|  hallways and playgrounds.  

And this is just in kindergarten.
 
-- 
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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Meconium, cord, etc.
Date: 16 Oct 1992 08:49:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>My baby has been very active.  Is there any way I can be
>sure before I go into labor that he is not wrapped around by his cord?
>Since he is still squirming a lot and has a good heart rate, can I 
>assume that he hasn't passed meconium?  If his neck is wrapped by the
>cord, can he be hurt by contractions?  Is there any way to make sure
>nothing bad has happened?

I asked my doc about this yesterday, because this one (#2) moves
*all-the-time*, even when I can't feel anything (as I saw during the sonogram).

Yes, he said, it is probably more likely that an active child will get
wrapped in his cord.  But this is not as big a worry as before (when
babies used to die from this), probbably because of all the monitoring.
 I believe that the problems are not the contracations, but the moving
down the birth canal, and this showws when the babies heart rate does
not fare well after a push.  Sure does make me favor monitoring this
time (I had decided to argue to keep it away as long as possible this time, *sigh*).

Now I don't know of any correlation between activity and meconium passing.  

BTW: I mentioned the net, briefly explained it to my Doc.  He was quite
interested.  He was wondering if anyone had stats on any correlation
between activity levels and wrapped cords.  It dawned on my that there
may not be that much info.  I mean, if a baby was wrapped, would the
mother immediately think to say that the baby was really active?  Not
I, I would be in tears from joy that the baby was OK.  And at theat 6
week checkup, it probably would have slipped my mind to mention it.  hmmm.....
From: bets@sam.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Neighborhood dangers...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 12:25:50 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.ksu.ksu.edu

In <9210131345.AA21161@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:

>>If your parents let you run around unaccompanied in a neighborhood with 
>>unknown dangers at an age when you were incapable of comprehending them, it 
>>sounds like they were lax in their parental duties.

>Ok, I guess I'll get flamed for this one.  I do not think 10 years old
>is too young to "run around the neighborhood" without a parent (in most
>neighborhoods, that is, like mine).

{text deleted about her neighborhood}
>-Shirl

I think what the original poster was referring to was the parent who
doesn't take time to look around the neighborhood and find the potential
threats to make it clear to his/her child that they could get hurt
by playing on/around those things.

As far as the "Attractive Nuisance" goes, yes, a pool should have a 
fence.  (It not only keeps young children out of the pool, it keeps
prying eyes away from the pool as well...).  However, every parent has
the responsibility to discipline their children so that they are not
allowed to trespass/climb the fence/etc.

(Kansas law just codified that this past session.  Now, if a pool is
fenced and a child drowns, the parents of the child can be sued by the
property owner for emotional damages.  Also, they can be brought up on
criminal child abuse charges for failing to take the necessary precautions
to prevent their child from dying...)

Beth



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From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:59:16 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

> From wyse!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!wang!news Thu Oct  8 09:50:21 PDT 1992

> RE: Far apart in age
> I am expecting my second child (at the age of 34)  in February. My daughter is
> 13 years old. What are experiences with such a siblings relationsship? Anyone 
> in the same situation?
> Jutta

Jutta --

Yes.  I can top that...  I had Sheila 14 years ago, and just had Paul (now
5 1/2 months) this April at the age of 35.  The pregnancy and delivery
went fine, although my older body hurt more, and I am still recovering 
from the ankle tendonitis due to the 40 lbs I gained.

My daughter loves the baby.  I thought I would have an instant babysitter,
but *NO*. She's just starting to go out with her friends a lot and would
rather go out and have fun than stay at home and babysit for money.  Sigh...
On the bright side, my daughter waited so long to have another sibling,
she enjoys playing with him.  She does, however, realize the difficulties
in taking care of infants, and has now decided she doesn't want to have
kids until she's a lot older -- Good!  I don't want to be a grandma until
I'm in my 50's! :-)

Good luck!

Donna
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: freek@phil.ruu.nl (Freek Wiedijk)
Subject: Re: No Santa
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:43:54 GMT

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>My advice is to let her keep believing in Santa since she does and since you
>contributed to this belief.  Is there any harm being done?

Well, my girl friend does think so:

1. She _still_ holds it against her mother that she has `cheated' her.
   (Santa used to be used as some kind of blackmail in her family.)

2. It was _the_ main reason for her to loose her `belief', i.e. to turn
   atheist.  So, if you want your children to become happy Xtians, don't
   cheat them about Santa...

Freek `frake' Wiedijk, self-appointed proof digitizer: freek@phil.ruu.nl
--
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neglects only quantities which are small.  One is not allowed to neglect
infinitely large quantities."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca 
Subject: Early pregnancy problems: ACIDITY ???
Organization: Expectant Fathers Limited 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:39:30 GMT

Hi,
My wife is about 2 months pregnant. She has nausea all day; which
I guess is normal. However, lately she has been suffering from
all-day stomach acidity. Is this a usual complaint as well ? If yes,
any suggested solutions ?
Thanks,
Jimmy

Please email to: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:44:18 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <aidler.718384836@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>
>How do doctors make their living?
>(By diagnosing illnesses and prescribing treatments.)
>The words and hypocritical actions of these professionals
>cause me to question whenever they recommend something
>"in my interest."
>
The scientists who discovered the effects of Ritalin are not private
physicians who are going to be making money from treating
your son.  Your son's doctors are merely responding to the
consensus opinion of neuroscientists who are largely driven
by a desire to understand the workings of the human brain.

>Anyone can see that there is a huge medical industry
>in Canada and the U.S.A.  Medical doctors, nurses, and
>pharmaceutical conglomerates, etc. are all involved.
>Their objective is to form a monopoly by excluding
>all medical alternatives: naturopaths, chiropractic,
>midwives, etc.
>

Right.  We're all just lying.  In fact, we're so committed
to this monstrous international deception that when
our children have ADD, we even give them this toxic stuff
just to maintain the ruse.  And when we get cancer, we
go ahead and take these chemotherapies and radiation
ourselves, even though we know that there are roots growing
in our own back yards that would cure us.  You see, 
we all have to take oaths to maintain this conspiracy
even at the cost of our own lives.

>Europeans have been much less gullible in accepting
>the absolute authority of medical doctors.
>

Bunk!  With the exception of herbalism, the United States
is far ahead of Europe in the number of alternative practitioners.
Here some of them are even pain by insurance.  On NPR, the 
Dutch minister of health stated that they would like to introduce
more competition into their health system, but they were worried
about that leading to more people wanting the system to pay
for alternative medicine like in the US.  By competition they
wanted to be careful not to introduce quack systems.  Many of the quack
systems originated in the US, such as homeopathy and chiropractic.

European medicine is also much more paternalistic.  The patient
is told much less there than in the US and is expected to
"follow orders".
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: How to get son more career-minded? : -
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.172426.6166@cfa214.harvard.edu>, wyatt@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Bill Wyatt) writes:
> was shocking if meant seriously, but come on! It was straight out
> of the movie `Parents' or something, about the nerdy couple doing
> flash cards on their 3yo daughter. 
> 
I don't think the original poster was joking.  And I used to work with a
guy who sent his 3-year-old daughter to Montessori school so she would
learn how to read.  There really are parents like that out there.

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Mary Ryan			mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: questions: baby monitors
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:41:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <9OCT199211464404@utrcv1>, rmorey@utrcv1 (Randall Morey) writes:
> We had the same problem. It's because the monitor uses an AM frequency, which
> is much more prone to noise than an FM model. CBs are also AM.
> 
> You can get an FM monitor set from Radio Shack (standard disclaimer) or 
> somewhere else, but be sure it's FM. Check for the standard frequency of
> 49 MHz. They are *extremely* quiet, and you can hear a whisper easily.
> 
> One word of caution: 49 MHz is also the standard frequency for walkie-talkies.
> If your kids have 49MHz w-t's, they may interfere with them when they're 
> playing with them. As with any monitor, be aware that it's possible for 
> neighbors to eavesdrop.

We have a Fisher-Price monitor; it uses 49.830 Mhz (channel A), which is FM.
In fact, I thought that all of the baby monitors used the 49 Mhz band.
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Playground machismo (Was Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:17:57 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct8.133929.25919@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>> 
>>You people [referring to misc.kids] are 100% certifyably insane.
>
>  Which is why you're still single and we're not.

Now, which is it here?  Are we single because we're nuts, or nuts because
we're single?  

Personally, being single hasn't made me nuts.  I may, however, be single
because I'm nuts.  But there are plenty of other single nuts out there,
and I haven't hooked up with them, either.  

I love cross-postings; they make for such interesting flame-fests.  And
speaking of which, does anyone else think this is the same old playground
behavior, just made high-tech for us "adults"?  We're so much more
eloquent now when we say "nyah nyah, na-nyah nyah." (See above.)

  

-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: laird@airedale.metaphor.com (Barbara Laird)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: one year olds
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:25:40 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

>In article <9209241509.AA11975@fieser.brynmawr.edu> L.E. Chirlian,
>chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu writes:
>>	So net.parents, what's your experience.  Did diapering get
>>easier when your children could stand?  Will I warp my child for life
>>if she cries while I perform some necessary task?:-)  

Chelsea (15 months) used to be a perfect angel for diapering.  At about her
1st birthday she lost patience for the whole ordeal.  Now, she'll let me
take her diaper off and clean her up, but the moment she sees the clean
diaper the battle begins.  So, maybe since you've had it so hard from the
start it will get easier later!  But, then again, there's no justice in
child rearing, is there.

>>She wears her dinner (last night it was stuffed
>>shells, which I had never thought of as finger food before).  She
>>likes to splash her hands and face after she eats (she will willingly
>>have her face wiped this way and she hates when I wipe it with a
>>cloth).  I'd just like to know if I'm alone.

Chelsea is the same way.  If I take her to the sink and run the water she'll
practically wash herself.  But, if I try to wipe her face or hands she
reacts like I'm trying to kill her.  This usually isn't a problem, except
when we're out somewhere and there isn't running water near-by.  The eating
does eventually get neater.  Good Luck!

Barbara
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:31:54 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

There was a guy at my previous place of employment named Randy Dick.
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From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: No Santa
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:14:23 GMT
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM

Hi:

I can't remember whether I ever believed in Santa or not, but I imagine genuine
belief is a common experience with many of us.  WE turned out (mainly) OK,
didn't we?

(OK, I'll concede it may be a little unusual that we "talk" to each other over
this cyberspace support group-thing, but if access were more universal, I'd bet
everyone would be doing it.)

Daniel Kim
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dwp@cactus.org (Deborah Platt)
Subject: Toddler furniture
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:04:07 GMT

This Christmas, we plan on getting Deanna some sort of table
surface, and some type of seat.  She will be 23 mo at the time.
So far we don't have any idea what to get.  We are hoping that
she will be able to eat snacks and some meals there, draw
pictures, read books, etc.  If anybody wants to post comments
on why they like/dislike their picnic table, table and chairs,
desk and chair, etc., we'd be most appreciative.

And if anyone out there has bought the BRIK table
that can be used with waffle blocks, duplo blocks, etc.,
I'd like to hear from you.  The outside of the box says there
is a flat table surface included, too.  Is it plastic, and is
it a table that could be used for meals as well?

I also would like to hear about easels -- they seem so expensive for all
there is to them.

Thanks in advance,
Deb Platt
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