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From: arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir)
Subject: Re: Do you..., did you ....
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:21:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.192513.11965@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>
>Let me tell you that I am not any of the following:
>
>	ShAh parast 
>	HezbollAhi
>	MojAhed
>	FadAyyi
>	Toodeyi
>	chapi
>	rAsti
>	CIA Agent
>	Mossad Agent
>	Ex-Savak Agent
>
>
>I am:
>
>	Confused about the country I grew up in and who to believe,
>	so I disbelieve any and everybody. Given all of the above,
>	do you expect otherwise?
>	
>
>Asghar AghA


Thanks for all those memories.  You brought tears to my eyes.  I remember 
every thing you on your list.  I can't help but to feel loss.  Nothing else.
No anger, no hatred, no pain.  Just loss and grief.  And a sad and solem
acknowledgement that it won't change.  It's been 7 years since I left Iran.
And in all this time I mannaged to avoid feeling home sick.  Until now.
I don't even have any family or friends left back in Iran.  They were all
either killed, or scattered around the glob like ashes.  And when I think
of them.  And I think of how Iran was when the Akhoonds took over.  And how
they destroyed it in so few years, I can't help but to feel as if I've been
condemned to hell.  I burn all over from the inside.  I also can't help to
notice that most of my smiles belonged to the time before the revelution.

The revelution.  What a sad joke.  Given a second chance, even the previous
regime's worst opponents would have happily withdrawn from that revolution.
I think you pointed out the real reason why this regime is still alive.  None
of us trusts anybody.  We are all confused about a country we grew up in and
so suddenly it disappeared.  The biggest casualty of this regime was not the
migration of the doctors, and engineers.  It was not the loss of cities and
refineries, and factories.  Its greatest casualty was not even the people who
died, or the lives that was destroyed.  It was the death of hope and ideals.
It was the death of all those good things that we all saw just within our 
reach.  And now we don't even dream about.

Sorry if I upset anyone.  You brought too many barried memories.  There is
a poem by Mehdi AkhavAn SAles, it is called "Shahriar-i-Shahr-SangestAn" if
anyone out there has.  I would appreciate a posted copy of it.

KhodA hAfez
Arash 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: For Babak wuz Re: MoahA'ereh as well : -) Re: "The Successor" by GholAm Hossein SAedi
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.132127.13332@watserv1.waterloo.edu> arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir) writes:
>
>Babak, I was not reading sci last year and I don't know about the situation
>that you are talking about.  But more often than not, how you defend something
>is as important as what you are defending.  If you are sincere about only 
>wanting to inform sci readers on issues they should know, then IMHO there are
>better ways of communicating.  There are a lot of people who start reading sci
>and many who stop reading it.  To those who have just started reading it, you
>look the way mko's looked to foriegners during their attacks on embassies.
>Namely that they were so angry (for reasons that the foriegners cannot fully
>relate to) that they crossed the boundries of civility.  Don't be offended.
>I am not trying to flame you, only to try to help you see how your actions
>reflect upon you.  As another example consider the Baha'i discussions with 
>Seyed.  Even though Seyed became indignant several times or at least bitter,
>his opposition never lost their cool and always acted politely.  To many
>people this brought a new respect for the person, if not necessarily for his
>openions (this includes Seyed by the way).  So how about keeping your anger
>under control, instead of letting anger control you?  You don't have to listen
>to me of course.  But I really think my suggestion is your best approach.
> 
>
>Regards,
> Arash
>

The big mistake that you and others are doing is that you think that we are
looking for friends in this newsgroup (!) or we want to attract you to our
ideology and increase the number of our gang members !
It's a question of "truth" and "falsehood".
Far from us to sacrifice our ideology for the sake of your friendship. What
friend better than God himself?
Babak Sehari gave the best example: When you tell a mother that your son is
alcoholic, you should be very happy if you don't hear insults !

No one of these so-called "friends" will or can help you on the day of
resurrection. So wake up and rely on yourself.

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed)
Subject: Re: So INSULTING
Summary: dAroogheh campaign '92
Keywords: "knock it off"!!
Organization: naghAl khooneh
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:49:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.003357.8241@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:

>I think those who swear and insult others should have their previlege
>of posting in this newsgroup taken away from them .

>Swearing and flaming each other does not get you guys any where except
>ruining the reputation of this newsgroup ... Do not forget that a lot
>of people who are not even Iranian read this group ... 

>So knock it off and use better words to shout your message out .

>With all the respect to all who love their homeland Iran ...

>r.

Ramin jAn,

Although I myself do not enjoy witnessing/participating in "bee hadd-o hesAb"
flaming, I have to disagree with you on the hard position that you're taking.

How would someone "take away" someone else's priviledges of posting on this 
"mamlekat"? Are you gonna decide that or amoo? Well, amoo is too busy being 
a Bacheh Morshed, not even thinking about becoming a "dAroogheh".

But since you've shown genuine interest in assuming such a position amoo 
will not only vote for you but have convinced mash YadollAh to let you use 
his ghahveh khooneh as your campaign headquarters. So Ramin jAn, "beeyAr 
harcheh dAri ze mardi-o zoor" since becoming a "dAroogheh" in SCI is not as 
easy that one might think.

>With all the respect for those who love their homeland Iran...

ghorbooneh dahanet amoo jAn, why not sharing some of that respect with 
ahAliyeh mohtarameh SCI? 

>r.

shAd-o khosh akhlAgh bAsheed,

amoojoon
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:14:24 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Apr7.030024.14474@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
> In article <sehari.702607261@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>
>>an Islamic State, cost all of us, Iranians, a lot.  May god guide us all
> 						     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>to the right path.  May be this is a reason, that all the Moslems should
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>pray to the god and ask for guidance from the god 10 times a day,reading
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>the Hamd Sora.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Babak Khaan , 
> 
> This is exactly our problem, we always waited for god or some unusual
> thing to better our situation ..... we were always praying for higher
> power to help , where we could find this power in ourselves but we are
> too chicken to make a move , we don't have enough faith and trust on
> ourselves , No more " god help me " , no more begging for a little
> push , you can do it ....
> 
> cheers

The problem with some is that they rely only on belief, the problem with others
is that they rely only on action. HOWEVER, we should be praying to God and
doing some action. It's in the Quran. "Al-mominuna aminu va amilu -salihat."
"The pious people beleive and do good actions". So there is no need to say that
one should do one thing without doing the other. Either way, Mr. Babak, and Mr.
Speheri is wrong. We should be doing both. "God doesn't change the condition of
a people until they try and cahnge it themselves." - Quran

sincerely

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.143550.14138@rdg.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:
 
>Beliefs are an integral factor in the formulation of one's mentality and 
>attitude. The BELIEF of: "all of the prophets are prophets of islam from 
>ADAM all the way down to MOHAMMAD.", may be a reasonable safeguard for
>granting certain rights to Jews and Christians. However, it COVERTLY equates
>a Baha'i with a KAfar in the mind of a Muslim believer (thus the formation
                 ^^^^^
>of a harmful MENTALITY), since, neither The Bab, nor Baha'u'llah fall under 
>this theological umbrella. From this point onward the issue for a faithful 
>Muslim is no more "being morally concerned about the rights of a Baha'i in 
>a Muslim society". His ultimate task and moral responsibility becomes "what 
>is my religious duty in dealing properly and effectively with a KAfar". 
                                                                 ^^^^^

We never say the Bahaies are "kAfar", we say that they are "kAfer" !!!
I wonder, your were so picky about "khAtam" and "khAtem" and blamed us
of not understanding the difference (while I proved that we perfectly
did), and you make a big mistake like this !!!  Isn't this because you
are TRAINED for STANDARD arguments ?  Where are those "anjoman hojjatiyyeh"
guys to give you STANDARD answers ?
I also wonder that you still insist on Bahaism as a religion. Did you forget 
that you accepted that Baha-u-llah is NOT a prophet? If you still think that
Baha-u-llah is a "messenger of God", go ahead and open a dictionary and
read the meaning of a "prophet". Then tell us how can one be a "messenger
of God" and at the same time NOT a "prophet".

Seyyed.
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:45:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Apr5.023820.1038@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>> 
>> ah! thats my cue.  well, wrong again, seyyed.  you lose the bet.  gee,
>> and i feel soooo bad that i dont know which emaam followed which (yeah,
>> right).  but i sure remember how much character assassination of bahaa,
>> budaa, and others our teacher engaged in.  and our mosalmoon and
>> khodaadoost teacher was later expelled because of attempting to rape a
>> schoolgirl!
>> 
>> oon az mo'alemeshoon, eenam az talabashoon...  beechaare deene eslaame
>> be gonaah.
>
>what does the misdeed of your talimate dini (religious education?) teacher have 
>to do with islam. 
>if i were to steal something would you blame it on islam
>because i am muslim and happen to know something about the religion, never mind
>whether i practice it or not?
>
>of course [beechaare deene islaame be gonaah]
>
>never blame islam for the non-practice of it coming from muslims.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

which part of my post gave you the impression that i blamed 'eslaam'
for the man's actions?  please point it out.  the 'poor _inocent_ islam' 
part perhaps?

i did however unflatteringly refer to the all too common trait amongst
moslem fanatics such as seyyed & our teacher who desperately try to
lift eslaam _up_ by putting other religions _down_.  its fascinating to
observe what a warped image of other religions and prophets a typical
kid growing up in iran can develop.  _especially_ toward bahaayees. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:3127 talk.politics.mideast:10353
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iran announces release from jail of eight political prisoners
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:03:41 GMT


	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iranian authorities announced Monday that they
have released from prison eight members of a banned political party led
by former Prime Minister Mehdi Bazargan, the official Islamic Republic
News Agency said.
	The prisoners, arrested last year for allegedly circulating a letter
criticizing the government, were released along with 100 others
amnestied by Spiritual Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei April 1 to mark the
13th anniversary of the Islamic Republic.
	An IRNA report monitored in Athens said the eight prisoners, who were
members of Bazargan's Iran Freedom Movement, were released on a proposal
by judiciary chief Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi.
	There was no explanation of why Iran waited almost two weeks before
announcing their release.
	IRNA identified the freed political prisoners as Abdolali Bazargan,
Mohammed Tavassoli, Ali Ardalan, Reza Movshhed, Habib Davaran, Akbar
Zarrinehbaf, Abolfazl Mir-Shahshahani and Hashem Sabbaghian.
	IRNA quoted the Islamic revolutionary public prosecutor as saying the
eight were sentenced last year to prison terms ranging from six months
to three years ``for signing an open insulting letter to President Akbar
Hashemi Rafsanjani,'' and for other reasons.
	He said they had participated ``in gatherings against internal and
external security of the country'' and collaborated ``with domestic and
foreign enemies of the Islamic revolution.''
	The official said they were also found guilty of ``playing an
effective role in fabrications to mar confidence of the people in the
Islamic Republic and having links with foreign radios active against the
revolution.''
	Bazargan headed a provisional government in Iran for almost nine
months after the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini toppled the Shah in a
revolution in 1979, but resigned after radicals seized the U.S. embassy
in Tehran in November that year.
	The former premier, who was later physically assaulted in the
Parliament by hard-line cleric Hojatoleslam Sadeq Khalkhali, has since
boycotted parliamentary elections, but continues to criticize the
government in privately circulated statements.
	The announcement of the release of eight members of his party came as
the slow process of vote-counting continued in several constituencies in
Iran on the third day after elections to the 270-seat Majlis, or
Parliament.
	There was no immediate indication that the release was linked to the
elections, in which hard-line clerics and their supporters are reported
to have fared badly.
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not :-)?)
Keywords: Poetry and more poetry
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:36:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada

The idea is pretty simple ... I'll post a poem (usually a one-liner or bayt), 
you follow-up with another poem (bayt) starting with the last letter of 
the poem that I posted. This can go on for ever until we either run of
poetry or get bored. May be this way we can drawn out all the flames 
and practice our transliteration skills as well :-). Come on folks, I am
counting on you (especially on amoojoon, the honourable looteehAy-e 
ghahveh khooneh Mash ghanbar and Mash yadollAh, the `real' asghar aghA,
mash cherAgh ali, mash bAgher, the various other mashdees, and, last but
not least, all the other doostAn-e mamlekat-e s.c.i. :-))

benAm-e khodAvand-e jAn-o hkerad
                          kaz een bartar andeesheh bar nagzarad

(your bayt must start with a dAl -- or dAl bedeh :-)) 

Cheers for now --df
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:14:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.035725.21878@wuecl.wustl.edu>, seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr9.234056.7976@watserv1.waterloo.edu> arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir) writes:
|> 
|> >
|> >Just what does how one is dressed especially with reference to "Hijab" has
|> >to do with anyone's values?  Do you really think that women are your personal 
|> >objects that you they are be hidden behind curtains.  Is it that people
|> 
|> Sorry, I didn't read the rest of your article! My article that you referred
|> to, was written for people who are familiar with Islam. The only thing I can
|> tell you is this: When Farah Pahlavi (former Queen of Iran) who had not a
|> hejab ordinarily, went to Mashhad, she wore the hejab. That hejab is enough.
|> 
|> The fact that Shahrokh Mortazavi supports you is a strong enough proof that
|> you must be ashamed of yourself! *I* feel ashamed that non-Iranians who are
|> reading this newsgroup, might say "what kind of lAt these Iranians are !!!"
                                                   ^^^
|> I don't know what female readers specially those who consider themselves
|> friends of Shahrokh feel?
|> 
|> Seyyed.



Gee I did not know that the NON-Eye-rainians knew what  lAt is.

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 06:14:59 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <javad.702598623@nsisrv> javad@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Javad Boroumand;NSIUSO) writes:
>hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>>I also heard that "supporters" of the MKO took a hostage in New York for
>>a while yesterday. These Mojahedin are doing a good job of demonstrating
>>what kind of people they are. 
>>
>
>"A" hostage you are refering to was a member of regime's UN mission.  The
>place was the regime's UN office.  The purpose of the takeover was to get
>media covrage and bring public attention to the regime's air attack.  This
>was not a "hostage" taking and there were no demands.  That kind of business
>is the work of Khomeini regime just in case if you have forgotten already.
>
>Best regards
>-- Javad


I have to agree with Javad agha here. It could hardy be called a
hostage taking. It was just a small case of kidnapping. And it really 
was for the purpose of getting media attention. Most media sources had
to interupt their coverage of the air raid to go live to the sight of
the hostage, sorry simple harmless kidnapping.


Just kidding baba. 


Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: derek@locus.com (Dariush Keyani-Yazdi)
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not : -)?)
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:10:59 GMT

Navid Badie writes:
>
>daaram az zolfe siaahash gele chandaan ke mapors
>ke chenaan zoo shode-am bi sar o saamaan ke mapors
>
>kas be ommide vafaa tarke del o din makonaad
>ke chenaanam man az in karde pashimaan ke mapors
>
>etc...
>
>'sin' bedahid doostan!
>

sahar bA bAd migoftam hadis-e[*] Arezoomandi
			khatAb Amad keh vAsegh[**] sho beh altAf-e khodAvandi
do'Ay-e sobh-o Ah-e shab kelid-e ganj-e maghsood ast
			be-din rAh-o ravesh mirow keh bA deldAr peyvandi
ghalam rA An zabAn nabvad keh serr-e eshgh gooyad bAz
			varAy-e hadd-e taghrir[***] ast sharh-e Arezoomani

								"Hafez"
[*] hadis = dAstAn, story
[**] vAsegh sho = rooy biAvar, turn to
[***] taghrir = neveshtan, to write

hAlA yeki "yeh" bedeh... :)
--
Dariush

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:30:27 GMT


In article <kucfmvINNsc3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahro
kh Mortazavi) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr10.175613.1082@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
 writes:
|> >
|> >I thought that seeghah was looked down upon in Iran. Isn't that the case?
|>
|> nope.  its very much in practice, but mostly to 'get around the system'.
|> legalized rape, legalized prostitution, thinly disguised
|> adultery, etc, etc.  quite a departure from seeghe's 'nobel' original
|> intentions.
|>
|> it was mentioned that ghor'aan states that one's actions were evaluated
|> with the persons _intentions_ in mind.  how about the opposite?  id
|> like to know, does ghoraan say anything about how we should punish
|> those who hide 'evil intentions' behind 'legal actions' such as
|> seeghe?
|>

In response to Shahrokh's statement on the reasons behind Seeghe I'd like to say
that the reasons given are not always applicable.  There are women who seeghe be
cause
they like to have sex, but society doesn't accept a "sexually driven women", sothey seeghe.  If interested, take a look at Shahla Haeri's book titled "The lawof desire" (i think.)

anyway, just to make a controversial statement, don't you think if seeghe is
"legalized" temporary prostitution, most (I said most) marriages are "legalized"
permanent prostitution also? (just a thought...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:39:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.220748.1085@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>I don't think any of my posts are out of the ordinary, mostly about historical
>stuff, and if some people would listen to me unbiasedly, they'd find out i'm a
>real pussy cat.
>
>zafar

I haven't been around long enough to know about your other posts, but I liked
the dicussions we had.  I did not experience any of the dryness and inability
that is common in most religious discussions in ours.  Actually, if my
understanding is right we both agree on the very most of the issues, including
that Islam does have enough good in it to make it a positive force in society.
The difference is that I look at the history, and the current situation with
religions in general and Islam in particular, and I find them statistically,
a negative force in current society.  In short I see more conflicts arising
from religions than friendship.  So I've decided to keep the parts that I think
are good, and do away with the rest.  You seem to postulate that we should
better educate ourselves so the religion won't cause us to be intolerant (am I
right in my assesment?). Though I agree with that statement, Past 2000 years
have not shown it to happen.  If it did not happen in 2000 years, I doubt that
it will happen in my life time.  So I stand by my anti-orgonized-religion ideas

Regards,
 Arash
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:03:48 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr09.232344.23865@eng.umd.edu> alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad) writes:
...............
>
>Only a sick mind like yours could come up with garbage like this. Only
>you could think of reading statements to the press while actually
>raping someone. Where do you come up with shit like this? It's mind
>boggling. For your information I was just being sarcastic, but I
>should have known you are too stupid to understand that.
>
>
>Mr. Sehari you are such a sad case that the angels weep for you, the
>Devil rejoices knowing that you are the Almighty's ultimate
>blunder, the Almighty on the other hand is wondering if Satan was in
>the right for not bowing to man, and as far as we terrestrial beings
>are concerned, most of have come to accept to as just a babbling,
>sadistic idiot.

Can't agree more ,  Babak Sahari should learn how to communicate out
of inteligence not a sickening thought ....

Your comments will not prove any point unless they are from your brain
so get it straight , Mr. Sahari . 

r.