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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: "HIV-infected molest suspect outrages town"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:58:05 GMT

Chris Blask writes:
## One out of ten people are gay (popular stat, don't know what it is based
## on).

Clayton Cramer:
#It's false.  See the December 3, 1992 _Nature_.

I did. It doesn't rebut Mr. Blask's comment.

You may want to look up the term "self reported data".

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From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Libertopia in Somalia
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:47:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec9.022933.25269@midway.uch:-670784935:cdp:1483600055:000:71
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Dec 12 17:47:00 1992


What is libertarian common law and how is it enforced?  By US marines?
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64815 alt.current-events.somalia:661 alt.president.clinton:1188
From: ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus )
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.current-events.somalia,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:10:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>Maybe no one told the media not to use lights, because nobody thought the
>media would be stupid enough to use lights.  After all it is pretty
>obvious that the reason you land at night is so that the other side
>can't see you.
Not true.  You also land at night to avoid excessive heat, waves, etc. often 
associated with the daytime inparticular in excessively warm and oceanic
climates like Somalia's.  (info gained from Marine bro.)

Matt I>

-as if this is really relevant to the Somalian issue.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64030 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:10006 alt.rush-limbaugh:11510 alt.politics.bush:14488
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Democrat == Loony Left??? (was Re: Christianity causes the fall of civilizations...NOT!)
Date: 10 Dec 92 15:41:58 GMT
Distribution: usa, world
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Dec10.021802.13612@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>	Let's see from 1960 to 1992:

>1960-64 JFK/LBJ
>1964-68 LBJ
>1968-76 Nixon/Ford
>1976-80 Jimmy Carter
>1980-88 Ronald Reagan
>1988-92 George Bush

>	If you think that JFK, LBJ, and Jimmy Carter are all "loony
>left-wingers", then I've got the deed to the Golden Gate Bridge to
>sell to you. But I've seen even Nixon called a "liberal", so I guess
>the majority of those Presidents are flaming left-wingers.

Do you honestly believe that JFK and LBJ would be considered Democrats 
today?  I seem to remember JFK saying something like "Ask not what 
your country can do for you..."  That sounds just a little to the 
right of modern Republicans.  LBJ was a hawk without compare (IMO), 
and yes, Jimmy Carter was a loony left-winger.  Or perhaps just loony.

Ted


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by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Bob Novak, Incompetent Pundit
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:14:50 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>This is similiar to what a colleague showed me in the New York Post
>sports pages once (i.e., the real world (-;).  Dick Shaap is wrong
>on a lot of his basketball predictions, and someone asked him why
>he bothered after Shaap himself admitted it.  Shaap's reply was,
>"Hey, they keep paying me so I just keep writing ..."

Novak's virtue is that he is wrong nearly all the time. One can 
therefore profit by listening to him.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Space program necessary
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:54:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Not a flame on anyone, but let's take this over to sci.space or
talk.politics.space.

This is becoming an interesting thread, let's keep it going.


Simon
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64372 alt.sex:39633
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex
Subject: Re: A Mother Speaks
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:15:29 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu

cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>The myth is 10%.

The myth is that this is relevant (outside of your attempts to rig numbers
to support your idiotic lies about child molestation.)

Suppose the number is 2%.  (It isn't, but just suppose.)  Suppose it is 1%,
or 0.5%.  Am I any less human?  Do I have any fewer civil rights?  Is violence
against me any less wrong?  Is imprisoning me any more justified?  Are lies
about me any more true?

I don't think so.

If there were 17 of us on a farm in Minnesota, the lies, stereotypes, bigotry,
prejudice and hatred that are homophobia would STILL be wrong.

Paul

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From: scw@cirrus.seas.ucla.edu (Stephen C Woods)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Ted Kaldis
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:57:40 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA

In article <Dec.14.08.47.25.1992.25322@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>In article <1g5lm4INN5h@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>
[...] the British were allies and heroes,
>> and the week after it was finished my local SF paper published
>> one of their periodic "Kick Britain out of Ireland" pieces.
>
>Jon, since you maintain such a keen interest in the goings-on back in
>merry olde England, you are hereby invited to return there.



Oh Ted,  wake up and smell the roses. Unlike you, Jon works for a living, he's
more than welocme here, you on the other hand are not.  I have an idea for
everyone,  Let's all put Ted in our kill files, just like in all the other
newsgroups in the net.

      "Non, je ne regrette rien"--1er RE de Para 1963
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64772 talk.politics.mideast:23666
From: bruceg@access.digex.com (Bruce Garrett)
Subject: Re: Maybe CO-2 isn't so evil after all.
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc 
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 12:04:13 GMT

  cramer@bigotlink.COM (Clayton Cramer) keeps trying...


 >> > While a anti-discrimination law can not prevent a bigot from being a
 >> > bigot, it can prevent him/her from expressing or acting on those
 >> > feelings.  MLK, Jr. says something to the effect of, "...it may not
 >> > make him love me but it may keep him from lynching me!"

 CC> How does that work?  Anti-discrimination laws make lynching illegal?
 CC> Not at all.  Lynching laws make lynching illegal.

        Steeerike!

        How it works:  Anti-discrimination laws act against violence towards 
minorities by acting against minority isolation from society.  As minority 
people become more involved in society the ability of hard core bigots to 
demonize and misrepresent them to the rest of the public is diminished.  As 
minorities are recognized by their fellow citizens as equally human, despite 
their differences, tolerance for violence against them is reduced.  This 
diminishes the likelihood of violence against minorities, as hard core bigots 
find they increasingly have less public sanction for their activities, and 
thereby less change of getting away with violence.

        The lynch laws were a joke prior to the civil rights movement.  
Perpetrators were seldom caught; that it was against the law made little 
difference when most people, largely through ignorance, saw nothing human in 
a minority face.  Police made few arrests, juries made few convictions, 
judges few meaningful sentences.  In the face of widespread prejudice, the 
best the anti-lynching laws could be were straw men.  To strengthen the laws 
and reduce the level of violence, prejudice had to be fought; yet to do that 
effectively, minority groups had to become more visible as active members of 
society.  In the face of relentless attacks on minorities the more likely 
prospect was that segregation, mistrust and violence would continue to 
perpetuate each other.

        Civil rights laws are one tool for breaking that cycle; they attack 
a part of it: minority isolation.  That they won't change the hearts and 
minds of hard core bigots is neither here nor there; those people are beyond 
hope (you're a case in point...).  What they Can do, and do very effectively, 
is make it difficult to maintain destructive stereotypes, to misrepresent the 
character and identity of people by their minority status.  Nothing kills a 
lie faster then firsthand experience which contradicts it.

        That would never do, would it Clayton?  What pleasure could you get 
from living in a society where the average person would be likely to know 
from the =firsthand= experience of living peaceably alongside of Gays and 
Lesbians that most of what you have to say about homosexuals is bigoted 
garbage?  Such a drag that would be...
 
 
-Bruce Garrett

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss,alt.sex
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: No solid proof to support ( was: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:33:14 GMT

Daniel DuBois writes:
#I wish you had quoted the entire paragraph, I was much more clear there
#than I will be at 3:00 in the morning (now).

Not to flame, but in my opinion you are just as incorrect at 3am as
you were before.

#However, the statement
#made was that even if we assume that the x # of people that refused to
#answer the survey were participants in homosexual activity, this 7%
#people sampling cannot be reasonably extrapolated to represent the entire
#population.  Clayton was _giving_ up those people as a lee-way
sample.  

I disagree. Clayton was clearly assuming all of them *WERE*
homosexuals, to boost the number to the maximum possible. He is so
sure that the number is less than ten percent that he didn't even stop
to consider what 4.1+7 was. Now, I agree, it is highly unlikely for
all the seven percent are homosexual, but that is what Clayton was
assuming. 

I just find it interesting that Clayon is so insistant on proving
something the he can't add two single digit numbers. And amusing.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.current-events.somalia,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: Somalia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:36:55 GMT

jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:

>Note the "festive" scene, as opposed to the nice fable of a tense
>scene where the nervous soldiers responded to a dire threat. Also,
>it seems that maybe the unarmed people over there (civilian relief
>workers and the press) stand a better chance of getting fired on
>than the Marines.

Well, somebody always has something to say no matter what you do!?!

Blame the military when the Marines barracks gets bombed, blame the
military when the USS Stark takes a missile, but GOD forbid that
they should have the right to defend themselves.  Give me a break...it's
not YOUR ASS on the line.  


>I suppose I might be a "militant feminist" in Rush Limbaugh's world,
>but there is no doubt that military actions are described by
>non-grunts (like generals, politicians, and armchair generals) in
>sexual terms. Like we didn't want to "pull out" of Vietnam before
>the job was done, did we? My biggest thrill during the Gulf War was
>watching those missiles going down those chimneys and exploding, yes
>siree. And "first blood" is always sweet.

I hope you're being satirical.


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Health insurance stuff
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:51:23 GMT

In article <lii39iINN114@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
    >In article <lihgi6INNb2h@spim.mti.sgi.com>
    >mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
    >>The problem is that the health insurance companies make their
    >>money on a percentage of the medical dollar spent. It is
    >>against their best interest to hold down costs.

Mr. Polen is utterly and absolutely DEAD wrong. Couldn't be more wrong.

Insurance companies, in America, since 1968, do NOT make money on
the policies they sell -- whether they be life, medical, or other.

They make money by investing in (primarily) real estate and other
long term investments.

For example, CSAA  (AAA of N. Ca) was one of the better ones for
1990 I think. They actually made 1/10 of one penny per dollar.

Amazing -- but that was the year they really began cracking down
on insurance fraud.

Insurance companies for the last decade have begun limiting how much
money they will pay, and what they will pay it for, to try and
maintain costs.

However, as some medical technology comes about with lightning speed,
the insurance companies are getting blind-sided. For example, the
debate on some of the bone-marrow removal/replacemenmt techniques
for some cancers -- horribly expensive, but now the COURTS are deciding
that insuarnce companies must pay for it because they did NOT specifically
exclude it.


-- 
I believe Gennifer Flowers.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's bigoted remarks at the convention...
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:21:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ball State University

In article <lisoh9INNm58@spim.mti.sgi.com>, mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
> So far the best convention joke I have heard is about the reporter
> that ran across one of Bush's grandson's after Barbara had the
> family up on stage.  The kid was crying.  When the reporter asked
> why he was crying, he said that he didn't want Clinton to be his
> grandfather.  The reporter said the election was to decide who would
> be president, not who would be his grandfather.  The kid stopped
> crying and said "then why was I up there?"

Yeah I watched that speech and laughed all the way through...

Barbara was up there talking about how nice of a father and grandfather
George was and his grandson came up and spoke and read a letter.  I
was left with the immpression of "so George is a nice guy, big deal."
Ok I'll vote for him in a race to see who's grandfather of the US...
Just because he's a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good president...

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,tx.politics
From: jli@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li)
Subject: ?? Re: The collapse of communism and the role of the U.S.
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:05:56 GMT

> The collapse of communism and the role of the U.S.

More accurately, communism is not yet dead.  Please remember there
is still the red China and N. Kereo.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.current-events.somalia,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:36:39 GMT

>Now those checkpoint guards have done it -- they've shot and killed a
>truckload of Somalis for having bad brakes! The idiots! Don't they know
>killing people makes them vulnerable to the glare of the media?
>
>What that you say? You're too steamed about CNN exposing our boys playing
>army to the limelight to worry about this minor faux pas? Oh. Well,
>enjoy Bush's last tango. 'Auld Lang Syne' is going to be especially
>poignant at Republican New Year's parties this year.
>
>---
Joe;

I'm as cynical as anyone about the military and political motives of any
modern government, but I can't believe that those troops fired on a busload
of civilians because they were bored or because of some UN conspiracy.  We
all seem to forget that the people standing in boots in Somalia right now
are just grunts, unlike the priviledged few (like us) all educated and cozy
behind our desks.

What do you do when you are on the far side of the planet, where life is
cheap (and it's not a movie), where people who knew a lot more than you do
are already dead?  I've met a number of military personnel over the last
few years, and I don't think anyone outside of the five-sided-office has
much to do with intrigue and subterfuge; they're too busy not getting
killed.

I agree with the pro-military folks who are pissed about the lights, as
well.  There are locals with weapons (lots), they are shooting them, and
bullets will mess you up.  Whether it was the media or the military
setting them up, the people responsible for that fiasco should be
ashamed of themselves; playing games with human lives.  If there had been
one crazy sniper in the bushes, someone would have died, and it wouldn't
have beed Ted Turner or George Bush, it would have been some average guy,
like your brother or your son or your husband.

Global politics are messy, and there is no rule book, let's just try to
keep some perspective.

-chris blask

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64121 ca.politics:10318 ba.politics:7701 soc.motss:52193
From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's bigoted remarks at the convention...
Keywords: hate
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:09:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <Bz9Br8.4rv@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus ) writes:

>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>>>Who is Bo Gritz and what has he to do with this?
>>>
>>Bo Gritz is a true American patriot who is being denounced as a fascist by
>>the Free Shit Brigades (tm) before his message of personal responsibility
>>and self reliance can catch on.  I sincerely hopes he weathers the storm.

>Heh.  He he.  Yeah.  I'll admit one thing; Gritz is patriotic.  He also
>thinks he is right.  He isn't, of course, having at least *acted* like a
>biggot in public.

I've read his campaign literature.  It's hilarious, better than the Weekly
World News.  "Guns, God, Groceries, Gritz '92!!!"  Basically he's more of
an isolationist than Pat Buchanan, more of a fundamentalist than Pat Robertson,
more of a gun-toter than Charlton Heston, more of a blind patriot than
Ollie North, and more of an alliterative wizard than Ed Anger.  Scary, huh?

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