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From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:39:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul23.123908.14099
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul22.231435.2649@athena.cs.uga.edu>, milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
> In article <92202.084501JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>The Hornets were a center away from being a team that would compete in
>>the playoffs.  Now with Alonzo Mourning as their center, the Hornets are
>>the team to watch for the playoffs next year.  I have no doubts that this
>>team with the backup support of Larry Johnson and Rex Chapman will be able
>>to go over the .500 mark next season.
> 
> Sorry, but Rex now plays with the Bullets. He was traded for Tom Hammonds
> at the close of last season. The Hornets needed more room under the salary cap.
> But even without Rex, the Hornets should battle the Heat for the right to be
> destroyed by the Bulls in the first round next year.

Hate to disappoint you, but as we saw in the various playoff series, Da Bulls
are dying, and dying quickly, but as much as I dislike them, I can
constructively say that they better make some good administrative decisions if
they want to stay the *gulp* *cringe* best.

-- Venk Reddy --
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:29:20 GMT
Summary: Blame the Media

In article <4236@equinox.unr.edu>, alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
> >In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
> >>  I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
> >> is destroying the Dream Team.
> 
> I was listing to NPR yesterday morning, and they had an interview with Frank
> DeFord (sp?) who is over there covering the action for them (and I suspect
> Newsweek as well). Anyway, they asked him how things were in general, chatted
> about some of the other events, and finally got around to the Dream Team and
> Charles. The question of Ugly Americanism came up in this particular context,
> and Frank said that basically, Americans were harder on Charles' behavior than
> the rest of the world was. He really felt that we made a bigger deal out of 
> "antics" than the other countries do.

Charles threw an elbow.  He shouldn't have done it, but he did.  But that
was one elbow.  One.  In the Lithuania vs Angola?, Puerto Rico?, Cuba?,
game, the Lithuanian center threw about three elbows during the short period
of time I was watching it (about 10 minutes).  The announcers doing that
game were saying the Lithuanian center has to tone it down, but that was the
extent of it.  I haven't heard another word about him.  But one elbow from
Charles and all hell breaks loose.

We have our wonderful media to blame along with ourselves.  Think about it.
Charles Barkley is one of the best players on the planet right now, but if
you go into the DREAM TEAM's lockeroom you have Michael Jordan, perhaps
the best player of all time, Magic Johnson, the most entertaining player
of all time, and Larry Bird, the legend.  Reporters walk right past these
all-time greats to stick a microphone in Barkley's face to ask him about
anything and everything except basketball.  Then you have the idiots at
NBC saying, "we reviewd the tape of the game before Barkley threw the
elbow and saw nobody hit him as he claims."  And the commentators are
making predictions as to when and if Charles will get a technical or not.

It sells papers and magazines and draws viewers.  And you people doing
the most complaining are the ones supplying the fuel for the fire.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laettner vs Barkley
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:00:37 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <22903@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Which spoke louder, Laettner's foot or Barkley's elbow?

Ainge's teeth.

--Rob Clough
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:21:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.065927.17592@ennews.eas.asu.edu> paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
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>From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
>Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
>Message-ID: <1992Jul29.065927.17592@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
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>Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
>Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering
>References: <Brv2Mn.40s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Jul24.140711.22390@cci632.cci.com> <exujeff.7.711999086@exu.ericsson.se>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:59:27 GMT
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>In article <exujeff.7.711999086@exu.ericsson.se> exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson) writes:
>> Rodmans buisness unfortunately is in FRISCO, TX. which is a SUB of 
>>DALLAS, not Houston, ESPN did report that he may retire...he is just fishing 
>>for offers to get the HELL out of DETROIT.  Would you want to be a player or 
>>a FAN for the PISTONS?
>>

>   As opposed to being a putz on the net?
] Good one        ^ 
But no, actually as opposed to being in his prime on a team thats 
going to go through 2-4 yrs of rebuilding to get back to Championship form.  
Look for him to be with the NETS after a year of retirement.

>--
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From: ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Olympic hoops referees
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:18:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bluedevil

The most refreshing thing to me about the Olympic basketball
is the referees.  No more "protect the superstar" bullshit.
NBA referees are a bunch of jokers giving preferential treatment
to superstars and pissing on rookies.  IMHO, all players should
be treated the same, superstars and rookies alike.  The excuse
of not calling fouls on superstars because fans came to watch
them play and not sit on the bench is ridiculous.  If a superstar
cannot play without fouling then he deserve to ride the pine.

Also the bullshit of not calling fouls at the end of a close game
is equally ridiculous.  A foul is a foul whether it is a blow-out
or the end of a close game.  What's this BS about the US volleyball
team complaining about the yellow card during the game point of
the Japan-US game? If you violate the rules you pay for it, even if
the game is on the line.

I just finished reading Barkley's book, "Outrageous".  I know Barkley
is a fierce competitor, but the elbow on the Angolan player is
absolutely unnecessary.  Daly should bench Barkley and give more PT
to Laettner.  It ain't gonna happen cause "the fans came to see him
(and others) play".  The NBA is heading in the direction of Pro-Wrestling
with the rule inconsistencies.

Also, the the NBA Champs was not, is not and will not be the World
Camps.  The Deam Team will be because it played with the best the
other countires of the world have to offer.  NBA Champs == World
Champs --- what a joke.

-shing
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Subject: Re: Ewing and Robinson
From: <YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 20:09:20 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Ok, ok...Robinson is a formidable trailer. Maybe he knows the first or
second guy will finish the break (Jordan, Pippen, Drexler, Barkley, you name
it) and don't even bother to run. I still say the team should try to use
more of Ewing and Robinson to advantage, though.

I love DT's fast breaks, of course. But I happen to think that DT's fast
breaks are only a little more exciting than the Lakers Showtime circa 87/88.
DT's are more spectacular, but Showtime is...uh...cooler.
When DT plays a solid half court, it will be the time every one will look up
to the team in awe and the basketball supremacy of DT will have been establishe
d without any doubt.

As for letting Ewing and Robinson shoot the 3, please....that would be
nearly as embarrassing as letting Magic try a reverse dunk!

Finally, I hope Magic and Stockton recovers well and comes back together
on Friday. Without them, DT loses  Dt
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:52:44 GMT

>  [ free throw discussion ]

	Well -- U really have to consider today's definition of center.
	Are Laettner and Mourning really centers?  Maybe in college, but not
	your prototypical centers in the pros.  Either way, both shot quite
	well from the stripe -- Mourning had shot over 80% from the line
	as a sophomore and a junior.  And considering how much the guy gets
	to the line, that's an excellent percentage.  Adrian Dantley shot
	around 80% for his career and nobody complained.

	As far as Birdsong is concerned, I think he was concerned about the
	free throws, because near the end of his career, he started taking
	jump shots at the FT line.  The stigma never got off of him however.
	
	I would have to agree that FT shooting is a lot mental.  The biggest
	example I can think of Stevie Thompson, formerly of Syracuse.  The
	man shot just 50% for his career at the stripe.  However, during one
	Syracuse game, they shot up an interesting graphic as he was shooting
	the shots for an intentional foul.  It said that during his career,
	on intentional and technical foul shots, he was 13-13.  Thompson then
	proceeded to sink the FTs.  Pure swish.  The commentators mentioned
	that perhaps the people on the line bothered his concentration.
	Interesting observation.

	Jazzy J

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Predictions.....
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:07:57 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Jul29.204314.16189@leland.Stanford.EDU> waterski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark T. Stacey) writes:
>NBA predictions:
>
>(i) Charlotte Hornets not only qualify for the 1993 NBA playoffs, but upset
>the Boston Celtics to move into the second round.

Hmm.  If the Hornets and Celtics are to meet in the first round of the
playoffs, either Charlotte will have to finish higher than 8th in the
conference, or Boston will have to finish 1st.  I can't see the Celtics
doing better than 3rd, and I don't think Charlotte can make it to 6th.

It's more likely that Charlotte will get the Bulls in the first round,
setting up the first NBA playoff series in North Carolina, with Jordan
as the main attraction.
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From: branch@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Rob Branch)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:37:59 GMT

wakankar@foxtrot.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar) writes:

>Thanks to everybody who replied to my request for NBA/ABA teams that moved from one city to another. 

>Here is a compiled list of ABA teams that moved from one city to another. I will post a list of NBAteams later.


>Anaheim Amigos  --> LA  Stars -->Utah Stars
>Houston  Mavericks -->Carolina Cougars -->Dallas Mavericks
>Denver Rockets --> Houston Rockets

The Denver Rockets became the Denver Nuggets following the 1973-74 season.  The
Dallas Mavericks were an NBA expansion team in the early 1980's.  The Houston
Rockets are indeed the old San Diego Rockets franchise.

>Minnesota  Muskies --> Miami  Floridians
>New Jersey americans -->New York Nets
>Oakland Oaks -->Washington capitols --> Virginia squires

>Pittsburgh Pipers --> Minnesota Pipers --> Pittsburgh Condors

I'm pretty sure that the Pipers folded in Minnesota.  The ABA then granted an
expansion team to Pittsburgh later on, which also folded.

>New Orleans Bucs -->Memphis Sounds

The Bucs first became the Memphis Pros, then the Memphis Tams.  Tams is probably
one of the more interesting names in the ABA, as it stood for Tennessee, 
Arkansas, and Missouri.

>Dallas Chapparals --> San Anonio Spurs
>San Diego Conquistadores --> San Diego sails (This team didn't move but changed name)
>Carolina  Cougars -->Spirit of St. Louis

>Only two teams remained where they were all the time

>Indiana Pacers and    Kentucky colonels.

Rob
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.194033.23355@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>Among the reasons they said he gave for wanting to retire were Chuck
>Daly's departure and lack of new challenges.

Maybe he could challenge himself to score on the offensive end without it 
having to be a put-back from an offensive board... ;^)

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:16:26 GMT

In article <Bs255C.GD6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Majerle was the team's leading scorer at 14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.
>

Wow, that's some stat line...

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:19:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <5044@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>ed,
The Boston bias shows up again. Why address this article only to me?

>If you really must keep debating, can you at least go back to your
>original debate (silly as it may be) about bias and officials,
>which at least was vaguely about basketball.  
It takes two to tangle. Obviously I am not the only person
arguing about Meeks' admissions, but you only tell me to wimp out?

>For over a week now,
>you have been arguing over whether Dave agrees with you (which
>he obviously does not, 
But he screwed up in his three statements, which, for some reasons,
revealed something that implied admission.

>and nobody following this thread thinks otherwise).  
Then come join us and argue about the evidence. 

>None of this has any bearing on the truth or 
>falsehood of your original argument.  
Well, the "cut-and-paste" has no bearing on the truth or falsehoood
of the original argument either, yet you were enthusiatic to jump on
the bandwagon. Oh, so you are keen to argue on side-topics too.

>All it does is muddle
>it (which perhaps is what you were intending, since a lot of people
>had joined the fray to poke holes in what you were saying). 
I don't know. "A lot of people" only include Celtics fans who disagree
that the Celtics getting preferential treatment, so what's new?

Yet they also admit that the favorables calls at BG happen everywhere
without showing any proof of "happen everywhere". I guess these "a lot
of people" can poke holes at their own words ....

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:15:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.053008.18505@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:

>Wish the Aussie commentators would f*@$#@#$! stop saying "Mullins",
>pisses me off like hell...

Are they just randomly saying "Mullins"?!  Or do they just think he's
the bo-hunk-stud-muffin-o'-the world?






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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Wah....wah..Watusi
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:43:40 GMT

claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>we bring
>field-goal blockers from Burundi, point guards
>from Borneo, and long-distance runners from
>Bhutan

It's already been done:  Cotton-pickers from Ghana, farm-hands
from the Congo, whatever.

Nice to see that the spirit of the founding fathers is not lost
on the young generation.

--Gidi

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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: Hornets B-ball
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:17:03 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Jul25.233909.16211@uc.msc.edu> mlp@uh.msc.edu (Mark Peterson) writes:
>   Don't they have J.R. Reid also, or is he with Orlando?

No, Reid is not with Orlando (thank goodness, we have enough other problems to
deal with - anybody want a point guard? anyone willing to commit to taking S.
Roberts off our hands for draft choices if we match and if we can get Roberts
to go along and if you don't insist he stay in shape in the off season?)

Tom@Orlando


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From: grubisic@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Vinko Grubisic)
Subject: Re: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.120657.10025@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>The game was not close.
>
>Well, I was amazed that Croatia was only down by 13 after 5 minutes in the 
>second half.  I started saying, 'Wow, these guys aren't that bad.' Then I 
>realized that Drazen had 4 fouls, Kukoc had 3, etc... and that it IS 
>a 40 minute game.
>
>Basically, it was a close game on occasions, but overall it wasn't close.
>The score was pretty indicative of the Croatia v. USA matchup (hell, we even
>did that without Magic/Stockton and with an injured Bird -- imagine if these
>guys would have been healthy ;^)

The big thing that Croatia did that no other team was able to 
do so far, was actually give the US a struggle in the inside game.  On offence they had a lot
of good plays down low, and Vrankovic and Radja and others wer capable on the
defensive end.

Overall, if Croatia had two more players of sayy Dino Radja calbre ,
the game might have been really close.

Peter Granic
9008474@sscvax.cis.mcmaster.ca
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re:  Dream Team LOSES
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:55:07 GMT

As it turns out, I have been corrected and evidently Laettner WAS on
Magic's team yesterday.  Now this *REALLY* makes me wonder...

Is Laettner getting that good, or does the international style of play
limit the impact (in a negative sense) of a single player?  (a friend of
mine and I were talking and we figured that the Timberwolves have to LOVE 
him going to this training camp -- go ahead, just teach him what you know...)

My understanding of the teams were as follows:

Team A          Team B
------          ------
Jordan          Johnson
Pippen          Mullin(s) - just kidding
Bird            Laettner
Malone          Barkley
Ewing           Robinson

From the article I read, I got the impression that Magic and Jordan guarded
each other, as did Malone/Barkley and Ewing/Robinson.  The only way I can
imagine Laettner even showing his face in this group is with the help of
an injured Bird (I'll assume that he and Bird played each other most of 
the time).  Laettner on Pippen would be absurd (as would Bird on Mullin,
if Bird's back is still hurting him).

What do you guys think?

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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Fat Lady Sang in 78
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:21:14 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Fat Lady

In article <1992Jul20.213741.15195@mcc.com>, rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com (Tom Rudwick) writes:
> In article <59113@mimsy.umd.edu>, chernesk@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chernesky) writes:
> > In article <XJAM.92Jul20093359@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
> > >> "Nate" == Nate Smith <nates@ll.mit.edu> writes:
> > the Sixers in the Spectrum.  They were up four with under 10 seconds to
> > play, but Philly came back and tied the score.  The Bullets proceeded to
> > win game 1 in overtime and Motta unleashed his statement.  By the time
> > that the Bullets beat the Spurs in the Eastern Conference Finals in 1979,
> > after being down 3 to 1, the "opera ain't over till the fat lady sings"
> > quote was old hat.
> > 
> > Mike Chernesky
> 
> JEEZE! How many times will we get this wrong?
> The phrase was coined by Dan Cook (A San Antonio sportswriter) and
> picked up by Motta. This is widely known and accepted. This came
> during the Spurs vs. Bullets series.
> LOOK IT UP!

Whether Motta popularized the quote during the Philly series or the
San Antonio series, he did pick it up from Dan Cook. I hate to admit
this, as Dan is the epitome of what Bill James calls the "Local
Neanderthal Sportswriter," but it's true. (Being the LNS is quite
a distinction for Dan, as he has plenty of competition in San Antonio.
He also doubles as the Local Neanderthal Sportscaster, an accolade equally
difficult to attain.)

Paul

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