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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:33:30 GMT

john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u) writes:

>Mmmmm.... so Miami's Gino Toretta is this season's Heisman winner.

>Is Toretta the best player in college football this year? Is he the best QB
>in college football this year.

>IMHO, No and No!

>I believe that there are several QB's better than Toretta (e.g. Shane
>Matthews (sp?), SMU's Freiburger, the qb's at Syracuse, Stanford, etc., 
>Ward at FSU, Grbac at Michigan, etc., etc.)

>This kid won on the strength of a 28-1 record as a starter ... however I
>believe that any half-bright qb could have compiled such a record with the
>calibre of player that UM has.

>Yes, he's a decent qb, but the BEST player in college ball? No!

>Both Hearst and Faulk would have been more deserving winners. Both are
>better players (IMHO) and mean more to their respective teams than Toretta.
>Personally I don't believe Miami is the best team in football (i think FSU
>is right now) but I accept that they 'deserve' the MNC that will be theirs
>shortly... however I don't believe that Toretta has earnt the Heisman ... it
>has not been his play that has placed Miami at the top... they have won with
>him, not because of him. I think the UM defence is better than some people
>are willing to credit and their offence is good, but gets a great deal of
>help from the defence.

>I'm not a great fan of Miami ... too much junk for my liking, but they do
>have some of the best talent... but Toretta is not the best player in
>football. 

>Obviously some people will disagree, others will agree; that is your
>perogative.


>Ciao

>Niall Johnson,
>Dept. of Geography,
>Wilfrid Laurier University.
>     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca

Yea sure ! FSU is better , Gino comes in next to last on your list of QBs.
Funny how the voters disagree with you and they are the only ones who count.

FSU had their chance and lost to Miami. Hopefully Alabama will too .
As for as their 'too much junk' I can assure you I see more crap pulled
by other teams than Miami . The Canes play with emotion and they aren't
perfect little gentlemen but they also aren't the rowdies that people
like to accuse them of being. Coach Erickson has stopped the junk that
occurred in the past and the Canes are going through a period of trying
to live down actions from players that have been gone for a year or more.

I have the feeling that when the Canes start having losing seasons
again, people will finally get off their butts about perceived 'junk' .

Justin Frederich

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Last chance to look stupid !!!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:05:06 GMT

Well I've watched a lot of postings about how everyone but Gino Torretta
should win the Heisman and I've predicted for months how the winner will
be Gino . So in less than 24 hours I may be happy or looking stupid :-)

Go Canes !



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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:44:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.142907@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec14.200043.5979@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>> In article 14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov, acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>> >I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>> >net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>> >far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>> 
>> 
>
>Hey, didn't there used to be a game that the Shriners sponsored?  I think it
>might have been one of these all-stat type games like the Blue/Gray game.

Yep.  It was and is called the East-West Shrine Game.

Dave

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
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From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Subject: Re: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Originator: zmed0b@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:09:09 GMT


In article <aggie-171292115544@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
> David Poore had wondered how I could pull for Nebraska in the OB 
> over FSU. 
> 
> Part of the reason is the attitude that I've run into on this
> campus. To the fans, FSU's sh*t don't stink. There's not a shred
> of humility...well, ok, there's some around, but not much. They
> *expect* a victory - NU is just another sacrifical goat. I don't
> think most students know what a poor season is. 
> 
> They're spoiled. And I'd like to see the little brats get their
> due.
> 
> Now, I'm not saying it's terrible to be a fan or to support your
> team. I do - I can be quite vocal about it, too! But to support 
> your team blindly, to ignore and/or belittle your opponent's
> accomplishments...is galling. It matters little if the fans wear 
> the garnet&gold of FSU, the green&orange of Miami, or the 
> maroon&white of TAMU.
> 
> I think what really got to me, tho, was the surprise and shock
> that I would root for my team (TAMU) over FSU in last year's
> Cotton Turnover Bowl. It seemed that it was expected that I
> turn traitor to the school that I graduated from.
> 
> No thanks.
> 
> James

Your observation about FSU is not unique at all.  Schools with a
history of successful football teams typically exhibit these traits.
I'm sure you would find those characteristics at Notre Dame, Nebraska,
Miami and Alabama,too.  I sure see them here in Oklahoma.  It is part
of the game.

It sounds like you're a little sensitive to  the lack of respect afforded
your team.  Personally, I think that if A&M continues its success, you
will find those same traits alive and well in College Station, too.  It's 
not indigenous to FSU. 
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From: varma@athena.cs.uga.edu (Pratim Varma)
Subject: Re: Best Football Names--I-A or I-AA???
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:46:58 GMT

In article <seale.724085822@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
>pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>
>>A NEW THREAD!!
>
>>So far we have the following:
>
>>Orlando Hathcett--Marshall
>
>>Tank Conner--N. Iowa
>
>>Add your favorites to the list, football fans!!
>
>Bingo Mancillas--Texas Tech
>
>Byron Bam Morris--Texas Tech
>
>-Jeff (waitin' 'til next year) Seale
>
>>PDunn

Mack Strong  (Fullback at Georgia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Gene Stallings - Coach of the Year
Keywords: Football Stallings Style
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.164018.6326@b11.b11.ingr.com>, gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) writes:
|> I see where Gene Stallings of Alabama was named the coach of the
|> year last evening. Some of his detractors will moan that he is
|> winning with Bill Curry's recruits. In that sense he is like another
|> famous Bama coach who could "take his and beat your and take yours
|> and beat his". 
|> 
|> Roll Tide!

    Wait a minute!  This can't be!  The guy everyone wrote off as a loser?  The
one they said "Alabama deserved for running off Curry" because he would "take
them down the tubes where they belong"?  Where *are* all of those people now?
I know, I know, they are all suddenly Miami fans (before that Florida fans,
before that Auburn fans, before that Mississippi State fans, before that Tennessee
fans...) looking for a shred of proof that Stallings' record is a fluke.  It must
truely be a bitter pill for them to swallow that a "Losing coach" like that at
the helm of the worst 21 - 0 team in the history of the game has *earned* a shot
at the National Championship.

--
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From: tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison)
Subject: Let the games begin!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:53:22 GMT

May all this year's bowl games be as exciting as the Nevada-Bowling
Green game!

And may the 'Canes show the world what domination means and explain the
term humiliation to the Tide.

Tim Allison
tja2f@virginia.edu

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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Jacksonville St #1
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:00:05 GMT


Jacksonville St. won the Div II National Championship this past weekend
against Pittsburg (Kan) St.  JSU won 17-13 in a rematch of last years
championship game.  This was JSU's 4th championship game, the 3rd in
4 years and their first win.  JSU amassed 390 yds rushing and 5 yds 
passing.  Moore of Pittsburg St. only gained 83 yards, his last below
100 yd game was the championship game last year against JSU.  He gained
over 2500 yds this year.  JSU will move up to Div I-AA next year (I 
assume they go into the 3 year limbo).  JSU has now won national 
championships in Football, Basketball, and Baseball.  Someone told me 
that this feat has never been accomplished by any other university.  Is 
that true?  

  The game will be shown on ESPN Tuesday Dec 15 at 1pm Eastern time.

Note:  While Moore only gained 83 rushing for Pitt St., he did return
 the opening kickoff 99 yards for a TD.  This kid is real good.

Bob E.

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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:03:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.183125.16409@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harr
is.com writes:
>In article 1655@b11.b11.ingr.com, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writ
es:
>>
>>  Three questions:
>>
>>  1.  Today is the 10th anniversary of Coach Bryant's retirement.  We all kno
w he
Y>>      did not beat Notre Dame, but there is one other team (that he faced 
mor
e
>>      than one time) he did not beat.  Who?
>>

I'll guess Penn St.

>>  2.  This year the SEC has 12 Schools.  Initially it had 13; 10 of which wer
e
>>      the 'original' before this season's expansion.  Who were the 3 who drop
ped
>>      out?
>
>    GA. TECH, TULANE, AND ????????

I'll guess the University of the South (AKA Sewanee)

PDunn
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From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: Still *more* trouble at the UW?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:49:06 GMT

jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>The evening news reported something about an illegal phone call operation
>that was set up at the UW.  It was reported during the sports segment, but
>they didn't say whether or not it was connected with the football program,
>and I didn't catch the whole story.  Does anyone over there have any more
>details?  Has anyone else even heard of this?  

>Jim

Newpaper reports stated that U.S. Secret Service agents had interviewed
several Husky players.  They are investigating reports that cellular phones
were illegally modified so that calls made from them would go unbilled.
I think this particular item of bad news was uncovered by the Seattle-
Intelligencer...The LA Times is reporting the alleged improper payments
stories.



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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Defunct Bowl Games
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:53 EST  

I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
far I have five and only one location, as follows:

Bowl			Location
----			--------
California Raisin	Fresno CA
Bluebonnet		??
Tangerine 		??
Garden State
Cherry

Please post any additions you can come up with.

R Dendy

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--summary (long)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 15DEC199218052910@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov, acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>I have several summary categories, based on my computer's rankings 
>throughout the season, which I'll be posting in separate articles.
>
>A lot of the results, which seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, seem 
>much more foolish in hindsight.
>
>Category I:  Most appearances in the Top 25 during the season.  Twelve 
>teams, here in order of final ranking (my system), never left the top 25 
>all season.
>
>1 Florida 		16	(2 weeks at #1)
           ^^^^^

Uh, Roger I think you forgot something on this one.  If you truly
meant Florida, then you better look into a new computer!

>2 Washington		16	(10)
>3 Miami			16	(4)
>4 Alabama		16
>5 Notre Dame		16
>6 Texas A&M		16
>8 Michigan		16
>9 Syracuse		16
>10 Ohio State		16
>11 Nebraska		16
>13 Colorado		16
>16 Tennessee		16



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rsumner@ho06.eng.ua.edu (Richard J. Sumner)
Subject: Re: Bama and others
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:48:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.170844.16301@u.washington.edu> baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>Miami is going to simply BUTTCRUSH Alabama.  Well, maybe not buttcrush them, 
>but, the Canes are going to beat them.  
>
>While Alabama and A&M are undefeated, they really haven't earned anyone's
>respect (well, Bama has earned Corky Simpson's :)

I must admit this is true.  MSU said before and after the game they didn't
think we were that great.  Ditto AU. DITTO DITTO UF.  It seems we can
never get any respect.

But then, at 12-0, I can live with Disrespect.

ROLL ( I hope the 'canes don't respect us as much as this year's previous 12
       after the Sugar Boll) TIDE

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Crown Alabama as National Champions
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:50:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.135344.22955@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
|> In article 16146@b11.b11.ingr.com, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:
|> >
|> >    What? I hadn't heard that the 'noles were taking Miami off of their schedule
|> >in 10 years.  Or maybe after 10 years they'll figure out how to end the regular
|> >season undefeated.  Maybe.  The last time FSU won the MNC?  The 12th of Never?
|> 
|> Hey, anyone whose team doesn't play Miami has NO room to talk.  No room.  And
|> if your team does play Miami, then let's talk about their record against them.
|> Considering Gino Toretta had only 1 loss as a starter, I know no one else has
|> done any better against them.  Especially since that one loss was inflicted by
|> FSU.  At least FSU has the guts to play Miami every year.

    O.K., let's.  "My" team's record against Miami is 11 - 3.  FSU has "the guts"
to play Miami every year?  Maybe.  They certainly have them on the schedule but
that has been the case for some time.  Also, didn't the state legislature mandate
that the Florida teams all play each other?  Florida doesn't play both of the
others anymore.  Will FSU follow?  For what it is worth, I *like* FSU and I like
Bobby Bowden.  As great a coach with as great a record as he is, the pinnacle
has always seemed to elude him.  My gripe is with those who feel that they *still*
"deserve" to play Miami again for the MNC.  If Alabama had lost to Florida, maybe.
We have incessantly heard for the last two or three years that FSU "is the best
team in the nation" at the end of the season but they *always* drop a game or
two the following season, lessening the validity of that claim.  If they are a
championship calibre team, they will have to prove it all season long.

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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:17:56 GMT

elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.173339.19639@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>...
>>You FSU guys whine, year in and year out that FSU was really better than
>>Miami, but they just lost the close one.  *IMHO* I don't think your 
>>program is as good as Miami's, ie losing 4 of the last 5.  What are the
>>odds of the "better" team losing over and over??

>If Miami and FSU were completely even teams, the odds would be 5 out
>of 32 that Miami would win four out of five games.  Of course, that
>has no bearing on any particular game, since the odds of any one team
>beating the other (assuming both are even) in any particular game is 1
>out of 2.

>Hey, you asked :-)

>.....Elson.....

Just to keep the facts straight, Elson, Miami has won 7 of the last 8 .
What are the odds now (even though we know they don't mean anything) ?

Justin


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Hurricanes
Summary: This is a survey.
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:33:57 GMT

Okay, it's the survey you've been looking for: how do you feel about
the Canes: 1 - 10.  Give them a 1 if you absolutely HATE them (i.e.,
you are a fan of some blasphemous team like Notre Dame :7)), a 5
if you are apathetic (let's not get into any philosophical argument
as to whether or not apathy should be in the middle of hate and 
love), and finally (what you've all been waiting for) a 10 IF YOU
LOVE THE CANES!!  I'll put together some kind of statistical package
showing the numbers (variance, all that shit), to find out if UM
fans are just a bunch of whinners (oops, sorry for that misspelling, 
that should be "winners" :7)).  Please e-mail responses to me.

Thanks, and enjoy the thought of the Canes preparing to win their
second national title in a row!

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From: chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:29:36 GMT

in article <Bz8oFz.Kzx@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) says:
> 
> | So from that standpoint, he 
> | certainly doesn't deserve the award.
> 
> Gino had almost twice as many #1 votes as the #2 guy Faulk.  So who does
> deserve it.   Football is a team sport, everyone gets help from other
> team players.  Also, a very good team win record is required.

Why should a "very good team win record" be a requirement for the Heisman?
Why should great players who don't have a supporting cast be ruled out?
Why should a player that can break tackles for long gains be ruled out 
because his defense can't prevent the other teams GRANDMOTHERS from running
and passing down their throats?

The Heisman is for the best PLAYER, not the best LEADER on a team that would
win WITHOUT him.

I don't neccessarily think Faulk should get the Heisman, I just believe that
as a PLAYER, he is certainly better than Torretta.

Look for Faulk in the NFL.  Look for Torretta in the CFL, or maybe doing
something related to whatever degree he received at Miami.  If he DOES go
to the NFL, he will be about as successful as that other Miami Heisman 
quarterback.  Maybe he'll help Vinny keep the Tampa franchise where it is
so accustomed to being.

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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: NEWSFLASH 
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:28:22 GMT

	Just heard Terry Bowden will be named Auburns new head coach
	at 2:30 central time today !

	Terry is the son of Bobby Bowden of FSU (of course)
	

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:44:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>Mmmmm.... so Miami's Gino Toretta is this season's Heisman winner.
>
>Is Toretta the best player in college football this year? Is he the best QB
>in college football this year.
>
>IMHO, No and No!
>
>I believe that there are several QB's better than Toretta (e.g. Shane
>Matthews (sp?), SMU's Freiburger, the qb's at Syracuse, Stanford, etc., 
>Ward at FSU, Grbac at Michigan, etc., etc.)
>
>Ciao
>
>Niall Johnson,
>Dept. of Geography,
>Wilfrid Laurier University.

I would have to agree with you 100% and I commend you on your choice of better
QB's.  The true measure of a great QB is how he helps his team win.  Florida
and SMU won BECAUSE of Matthews and Freiburger.  Miami won IN SPITE of Gino 
Toretta.

GT
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