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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Function Call Disasters
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:57:54 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <behrenss.717874986@hphalle6> behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:
> David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> 
> >If you're using a program with multiple source files, you should
> >include a #pragma noroot directive in all modules except the first
> >one, so that you don't get multiple unused copies of the startup code
> >linked into your program.
> 
> Which won't happen, anyway. Only the first file linked has its *.root used,
> for all other files, it is ignored. So, the noroot merely saves you from
> changing the link order w/o noticing it (and probably changing your stacksize
> along with that).

Says who?  I just tried it with ORCA/M 2.0's LINKER and I got two
.ROOT segments in my EXE file.

My advice still stands - if you want to save space and don't intend to
change the link order, use #pragma noroot in all files but the first.


Think about it.  APW C doesn't use .A files - it ONLY outputs a .ROOT
file, so if the .ROOT file was ignored for subsequent modules, you
wouldn't be able to link multiple module APW C programs.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: Of Rates and Men (was Re: Stereo Card or something : )
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:44:43 GMT

That Ian Guy (irsman@iastate.edu) wrote:
: 
: Sure.  AudioZap 2.0 automagically imports NeXT and Sun Sparcstation .AU files;
: with a little work you could use such files currently with AZ 1.2x (you'd need
: to strip out the LS 8-bits of each sample for 16-bit NeXT samples of course).
: 
: The fidelity will suck rocks due to the high rate of DOCRAM swapping and the
: only 8 bit resolution...don't expect anything near CD-quality.
: 
	May I know where can I get AudioZap 2.0?  Never saw it around
anywhere.
	Isn't it better to convert the 16-bits to 8-bits using some
mathematical formula instead of throwing away the lower 8-bits?

: 
: -- 
:         Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
- DOTW -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: BostonFest News?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:39:24 GMT


Did anyone attend the recent BostonFest?

If so, did you stop by the inCider/A+ booth? Did you talk to the inCider
folks?

If so, I'm curious if you were told anything about some changes to the
magazine?

Joe Kohn
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Re- Re- Accelerator perform
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:59:53 GMT
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep25.210953.13578@news.iastate.edu> hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma) writes:
>
>	Well, just a couple of comments... Firstly, the 6502 family is
>proably one of the most popular microprocessors ever sold as it is
>found in over 40 million CPUs ranging from Apple II's, Atari, C=64's,
>Nintendio, Gameboys, etc.  In addition, just about every digital

	Actually, the GameBoys are Z80 based, without index registers,
or something like that.  But you could add the Lynx and the
TurboGrafix (maybe the PC engine too) to the 65c02 based game
machines.  A lot of game machines minus the Genesis, and the NeoGeo
use 65xxx series chips.

>| Hal Bouma                          | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu    |

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
America On_Line:  DWS Steve
Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: Re: 1.AppleTalk 2.Fax/Modems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:32:01 GMT

In article <9209291746.AA17617@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>The following revelation escaped psuvm!kcr103@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu's lips:
>>
>> Also, is there a Send / Receive Fax Modem available
>> for the GS.  I need a fax machine, so I would rather kill two birds ...
>
>    The faxmodems are available (Supra, Zoom, Boca, USR, Zyxel, etc.) but
>the software currently is not.  :(

I wrote to Quality Software (via their pro-quality board,
tech@pro-quality.cts.com) asking them if they consider selling their
Q-Modem Fax software seperately.  Since the Q-modems are just Supras
with Q stickers, it should work.

Haven't received a reply though...

>--
>Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
>Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
>University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."

Jimmy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: scanf discussion ... help me :)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:32:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.155152.3570@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> [re compiler bug in isspace() macro]

Alright, you win.  :-)

I've ordered the source code, but it hasn't arrived yet.

Amazing coincidence: the same bug appears in the compiler and
separately written library code!

Yep - from a DUMPOBJ disassembly of ~scanf, I see several instances of
'LDA __ctype+1,X'.  It certainly doesn't look like compiled code, though.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: guillaum@pogo.trl.oz.au (Andrew Guillaume)
Subject: Apple //c self-test (was Re: Apple IIc acting STRANGE!)
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Organization: The Okefenokee Swamp
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:54:11 GMT


G'day !

David D Kilzer writes:
|Have you tried a self-test?  The older-ROM //c's didn't have the routine
|built-in, but in the newer ones (including your's) have it.  Try
|pressing control--open-apple--closed-apple--reset.  The computer should
|go through a series of graphic "kaliescope" screens, then give you a
|message about the system.  If "System ok" appears, every thing "should"
|be okay, but still may not be.  If another message appears, I'd suggest
|posting it to this newsgroup and asking what it means.

My understanding is that there are at least three versions:
- the original //c
- the UniDisk 3.5 //c
- the memory expansion //c
Which of the "newer ones" has the built-in self test ? My //c was upgraded
from the first to the second version, but ctrl-oa-ca-reset doesn't seem to
do anything. Is there any way of calling the self test (via the monitor?)

Andrew Guillaume
a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
Subject: Can a //c talk appletalk??
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:04:43 GMT

just a quick question :-

Can a //c with new roms talk appletalk, if so then how?


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From: ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Neal Pitts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Soundsmith1.01
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:02:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu Sep 24 92 at 06:51:13 (EST)

Tool 035 can be found on the SynthLab disk in System 6.0.  This is the
MidiSYNTH tool, required to run Soundsmith.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: chang@ee.ualberta.ca (Wuichong Chang)
Subject: 1084s monitor <--> IIgs pinout wanted
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:25:26 GMT

Is anyone use the Commodore's 1084s monitor for their IIgs ?
If you know the pinout of the RGB connection please send me mail
about the connection.

THANKS.



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From: PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: WP/GS to WP/Mac
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

E. Flores wants recommendations for transferring wordprocessor files
from WorPerfectGS to WordPerfectMac.
I just checked the latest Mac WP manual; it does not seem to take WP GS
files as such, 'tho it does mention "other platforms".  Best approach is
to use WPGS to save your files as ASCII (text) files on an HFS formatted
disk (assuming that you're using GS/OS 6.0).  These files can then be
loaded into WP Mac (or any other wordprocessor) and reformatted as
necessary.
--Paul Brandon
From: tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Fast modems FAX software for the GS
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:35:13 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Doug Granzow's lips:
> 
> My USR, on the other hand, has worked flawlessly since I bought it, although
> I can't say I've ever dealt with USR's tech support.

    I must admit that USRobotics does seem to make the most reliable modems
in the PC industry (i.e., I don't know how Telebits stack up against USR's).
I bought a used Dual Standard and it worked flawlessly for a year before I
decided to replace it with the Supra.  I get conflicting reports on the
Supra BBS with people alternatively claiming that USR's support is great
and that USR's support is as bad as Supras.  I haven't dealt directly with
either yet, so I can't say from personal experience.
-- 
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Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS NTSC
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:04:15 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA

<19920929.102201.272@almaden.ibm.com>

Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson) writes:

>In <1992Sep28.224847.26802@dragon.acadiau.ca> Richard Muise writes:
>>I've been trying to connect my GS and VCR. The manuals say that the GS

>You can also try using a shorter/better quality cable.  The signal is not
>that strong and if you do eventually get a picture and it is b/w, then
you
>need a shorter cable or a video amplifier.

>Pauley
>GEnie: P.Benson1

I had the same problem. My solution is not free, but it works well...
I bought an RF modulator at Radio Shack for $20. I stuck it right next to
the computer and used a 5 inch long adapter to connect it. The RF
modulator can work with a weak signal, too. Then I ran a coax from the RF
modulator to the back of the VCR.

Phil
vandry@Cam.Org
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Bummer
Date: 28 Sep 1992 08:59:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

paw@ausom.oz.au (Peter Watson) writes:

>I seem to remember seeing some comments a while back that suggested that
>32K was probably a good size for the cache, as it covered the average small
>scale situation, but 64K was not enough to handle situations that did not fit
>into the average 32K category.

I remember seeing similar comments on the comp.arch newsgroup years ago that
reported real results on a wide variety of RISC/CISC machines and in nearly
all cases the cutoff was in the 64k-128k range. However, it was made clear that
on some systems the cutoff is not too sharp, and so you will occasionally see
256k caches offered as an option.

On the ZipGS, I'd have to say from experience that 32k is fine until you get up
to about 10 mhz, and then the 64k starts to really help. Remember there is more
than just your benchmark or application code, there is also interrupt code and
the system.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: Sound files...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:55:33 GMT

AZ 1.2x automagically load rSounds out of Hypermedia documents.  AZ 2.0
(still coming up, keep send cards, letters, cash, and checks ;-) will also
automagically recognize the new system 6.0 filetype for rSounds.  Neither
version will SAVE or CREATE the files however due to legal concerns and
my contract with Triad re: SoundConvert.



-- 
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 I dig: Apple IIgs, Rush, Tiny Toons, Ren & Stimpy, Dave Barry, David Letterman
  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will" - Neil Peart  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS NTSC
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:36:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.224847.26802@dragon.acadiau.ca> 881045m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Richard Muise) writes:
>I've been trying to connect my GS and VCR. The manuals say that the GS
>can output NTSC video signal, but my VCR refuses to pick it up. I've
>set my VCR to ch3. The RCA jack in the back of the GS (between the
>ADB and RGB jacks) is connected to the VCR Video-In RCA jack.
>	Is there a section of the Control Panel I have to set?
>	Any suggestions?

The confusion isn't in your computer...it's in your VCR.  Some VCRs
automatically switch to line-level input when you plug something in.
Apparently your VCR isn't one of those.  There'll either be a switch
or a "channel" selection that will select line-level input instead of
RF input.  Check your VCR manual for further details.

If worse comes to worst, hang an RF modulator off your computer's
video port, plug the modulator's output into your TV (or VCR), and
tune it to pick up the modulator output.  (Line-level would be
preferred...there'll be less noise introduced into the signal.)

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis Apple II/IBM/Star Trek/Aerospace
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
Subject: Re: Does GS smartport have enough power for a 3.5" HD too
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:22:36 GMT


> 
> Does anyone have this type of case/drive currently in use on a GS?
> 
I bought a jasmine drive that was setup much the same way as the drive you  
describe.  I ran it just fine on my sisters SE but when I put it on my GS it  
never came up.  I thought it was the power supply but when I took it to work  
and put it on a GS there it ran fine.  The only difference was that the machine  
at work had another hard drive that mine was chained off of.  I check the  
termination and tried just my drive and it still did not work so I sent it  
back.  Just a thought.  As I have seen new drives for the GS that are the same  
size I assume it is a jasmine thing.

Joe Julicher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: nparker@cie.uoregon.edu (Neil Parker)
Subject: Re: Joystick readings from ML
Organization: The Universal Society for the Prevention of Reality
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 11:24:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.181113.27082@cs.uow.edu.au> u9050728@cs.uow.edu.au (Shane
Kelvin Richards) writes:
>
>	I am writing a game for the GS, and have a question in reguard to
>joystick reading. I have had a play around with the firmware routine (Pread),
>the main problem with that is that depending on the position of the joystick
>there seems to be a significant time difference as to when the routine 
>returns, I know this is to do with the timing involved with working out the
>paddle position. 
>	What I am essentially after is a routine or way that will work
>out the joystick readings and return, the routine will take essentially
>a constant amount of time (I am not so worried if its worst case time),
>just as long as its fairly constant.
>	Is there, maybe another firmware routine which is better? or has
>anyone got a better joystick reading routine????

There's no constant-time joystick-reading routine in ROM.  The highly
variable time is pretty much unavoidable, given the way the paddle hardware
works.

If you don't care about wasted time, then the solution is obvious:  Write
your own routine to waste the extra time that PREAD didn't use.  PREAD
counts up from 0 until paddle times out; all you need to do is count the
rest of the way up to 255, wasting a little bit of time each iteration.
Maybe something like this would do:

     JSR PREAD
     STY TEMP
LOOP NOP
     NOP
     NOP
     INY
     BNE LOOP
     LDY TEMP
     RTS

The three NOPs waste 6 cycles, which is the same number of cycles used in
the PREAD loop.

On the GS, I recommend doing this in SLOW speed, with interrupts disabled.
The GS version of PREAD runs does this, and you need to do likewise to make
sure your loop runs at the same speed.

     JSR PREAD
     LDA $C036
     PHA
     ORA #$7F
     STA $C036
     PHP
     SEI
     PHY
LOOP NOP
     NOP
     NOP
     INY
     BNE LOOP
     PLY
     PLP
     PLA
     STA $C036
     RTS

Also, on the GS, there's a routine PREAD4 at $FB21 that waits for the
paddle to time out before beginning the read, so your result won't be
thrown off if the paddle still happened to be timing after a previous read.

               - Neil Parker
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From: ericm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Eric Mulholland)
Subject: ZIP GSX oscillator HELP!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:52:54 GMT

A friend and I are in the middle of upspeeding our ZIps, but we ran
into a little snag.  What kind of oscillator do we need to buy?  We
know what speed(s) to ask for but the other specs we don't know.  If
you know part numbers, that would be very appreciative.  Another
question, does the Zip Chip GSX and the TranswarpGS use the same kind
of oscillator? (ex: interchangeable)  I have the list of part numbers
from DigiKey that Chris Deschu posted awhile back.

The Sram chips my friend and I bought are the low power Sony 35ns,
32Kx8 in a 600mil size.  The chips cost $9 each, not bad.  It would
be nicer if the store didn't have a $100 minimun order.  Nevertheless,
I found a buyer for the extra set we bought.  I don't have the part number
or store number on hand, but if you are interested, tell me and I'll
send you the info.

When we finish the upgrade, we'll write a step by step procedure on how
we did it, part numbers and where we bought them.
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From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: scanf discussion ... help me :)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:36:43 GMT

In article <Bv95B3.K2p@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Paul BaJa Benson) writes:
>  
>  Hmmm, it appears that when it rains it pours.  I think it is a compiler
>  bug.  I've reported the following bug to Mike on GEnie.  Try this quick
>  code:
>  {
>  unsigned long ivar = 0xFFFF;
> 
>  printf("%ld\n", ivar+1);
>  }
> 
>  Now, this code works when compiled without optimization (i.e. returns
>  0x10000), but set optimize to -1 and it returns a 0.  This appears to be
>  the same bug Dave is complaining about (or similar to it).  0xFFFF+1 works
>  in either situation, a variable must contain the FFFF.  

Looks like you've found ANOTHER bug.  I wasn't even using
optimization.  In the case of my bug, it appears that Mike forgot or
overlooked the fact that LDA absolute,X DOESN'T wrap within the same
bank - it moves on to the next bank.

Your bug is a simple calculation that is being fouled up with
optimization enabled.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: dig@pro-cynosure.cts.com (Doug Granzow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Fast modems FAX software for the GS
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:54:15 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-cynosure]

tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:

>The following revelation escaped Mark Spaeth's lips:
>> 
>> I just picked up a zoom v.32bis faxmodem for $289 external, and I'm having
>> touble makeing the damn thing go! 
>
>     Wow, amazing price!  Why the heck would anyone want a USR modem now?!?

I wouldn't use a Zoom modem if it was given to me for free.  Why? I bought a
Zoom 2400 bps modem once, and had nothing but trouble with it.  It wouldn't
talk to my IIgs (ProTERM or GBBS). After calling tech support several times
and getting the modem replaced twice (and I still didn't have a working
modem), I was told "Our modem wasn't designed to work on a computer like
yours."

My USR, on the other hand, has worked flawlessly since I bought it, although
I can't say I've ever dealt with USR's tech support.
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