From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: Cruise missiles
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:47:19 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAti-ye-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <22JAN93.12864345.0059@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> J10B000 <J10B@UNB.CA> writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.161617.13628@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>>
>>
>>One thing definitely amazes me however, and that is to see that a bunch of
>>mullahs in Iran can protest on behalf of the Iraqi people after spending 8
>>years of their own people's lives on futile battle strategies and human wave
>>tactics--as though they really give to hoots about the lives of Iraqis.  They
>>Surely killed enough of them themselves!
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>The issue is power and power alone.  I wait for the day when there is peace
>>and self-detemination for all these nations...
>>
>>   INSHALLAH!
>>
>The last lines of your article simply shows how American people are fed
>with thier media and politicians. Iranians didn't start killing Iraqis.
>To present the facts in an easy way that you could understand I'm just
>reminding you some simple facts:
>1) It was Iraq that in Sept. 1980 strated the war.

This is true.

>2) It was U.S. that during the war and even before that backed Iraq.

This is true, but also don't forget that the US and Israel backed Iran
as well when Iran was in real trouble.

>3) The U.S. reason for doing this was to control Iran.

This is reasonable also, in the sense that it was in US interests to make
sure Iran doesn't expand its revolution into other countries in the 
region.  Not that it isn't in the whole region's interest, either
(including the Iranian people), but they certainly chose a bloody
and criminal way to pursue this interest.  Again, however, just to remind 
everyone that the support the US gave Iraq was nothing compared to the
support USSR, France, and other European countries gave Iraq, all of which
have very good relations with Iran today.  (I don't get it)


>4) Today everybody admitts that if U.S. had not supported Iraq, that war
>   would have never lasted that long and even today we didn't have
>   this discussion over innocent people killed by U.S. missiles!!

You mean Iraq would have lost?  Then we would be talking about innocent
people (Iraqi people) being killed by fundamentalists.  What's the 
difference?  Like Peter said, it's all about power, not people.

>5) Sir!, Iranian just defended their land and soil with courage and
>   manhood against all of evils and devils.


>6) They didn't kill the people. They fought their enemy to librate their
>   land.

That is defeinitely true.  But please do not forget that after 1982,
Iran clearly had intentions of going into Iraq, e.g. Majnoon islands,
Fao peninsula, operations Ramadan, ValFajr, etc. etc., all of which
failed.  Do you support this action, and if so, how can you condemn
Iraq's aggression against Iran?  Keep in mind that most of the killing
was during this time.  Now, if Iran's gov't was truly one interested
in the cause of justice and people's rights, one could argue that
they were attempting to defeat Iraq and punish it for its aggression.
But we all know that this is not the case, and it was just to set up
another fundamentalist gov't led by the traitor Hakim in his country.
This is evidenced by times when IRI would back off from demanding reparations
as long as Saddam would go.  That clearly shows that their priorities
were with the politics of Iraq rather than the rights and well being of
the Iranian people.  Of course Saddam leaving would be good news for 
everybody, but don't think for a minute that another Khomeini in Iraq
would be any better.



>7) Iranian haven't gone thousands of miles far to protect their intrests
>   It's another country that for doing this MURDERERS innocent people.!

Nobody denies this either.  Although Iran did send revolutionary guards
to meddle in Lebanon's affairs, it's not quite the same and as going getting
your hands bloody in other countries for purely economic resaons.


>Oh God, give all of the people the power of vision and hearing!
>Signed: Pessar Amoo
>

Thanks for the discussion,

Agha Javad