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From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.195442.7180@spdc.ti.com> crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.152905.13420@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>>A trained rider has a better chance of avoiding a collision than an untrained
>>rider (in theory anyway).  The primary purpose of a helmet is to reduce injury
>>in a collision.
>
>I agree with the statement about training.  But as for the primary
>purpose of a helmet, I can't agree.  Is  this part of the MSF
>curriculum?  Don't get me wrong, I wear a helmet -- law or no law, 
>but this has little to do with the crashworthiness of helmeted vs 
>unhelmeted heads.  For me, the best *safety* features of a helmet
>are the things it does to help keep me *out* of accidents.  These   
>include:
>	     Shedding wind, rain, rocks, bugs
>	     Reducing noise fatigue
>	     Keepping my head warm/cool/un-sunburned  as required
>
>This helps me keep my concentration where it belongs.  For the record,
>I'm against helmet laws, seat-belt laws, and any other legislation 
>designed primarily to protect *me* from *me*.
>>

Although I disagree with the helmet law, I saw one of the reasons for
it yesterday. A young (very early 20s) male riding a 80 Honda 900.
He was dressed in sweat pants, tennis shoes, and the only reason he
was wearing a jacket was the fact it was cold. The rear tire of his
bike was so bald the cord was showing through. Now while I personally
do not believe that every rider should wear leathers or aerostich, etc.,
I do believe in something tougher that sweatpants (which already had 
holes in them). You just know that this kid would not wear a helmet
unless it was mandatory. 

Instead of bitching constantly about the helmet law, just accept it
and work at getting it repealed (by supporting organizations that are
working for that, or voting out the bums who passed or support the law).
Some of you are too young to have kids, but I have teenage daughters
who ride with me and I teach them to NEVER ride without a helmet. A
positive aspect of the helmet law is the fact that no one can give them        
a ride unless they have a helmet. 

just my $.02

Jolly Roger

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: prem@pdx194 (Prem Pahlajrai)
Subject: Riding in the rain
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Summary: rain gear recommendation solicited
Keywords: rain gear, staying dry cheap.
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:35:44 GMT


  I've been riding more-or-less daily since summer, and so far my Langlitz 
  leathers have been keeping me warm & dry enough. But the Nighthawk doesn't 
  have much of a rear fender and upchucks a good bit. Even the front fender 
  splatters my legs. As a result, these leathers are taking a good bit of 
  abuse, and Langlitz says I run the risk of the seams rotting and the 
  stitching giving way. At best I can delay the damage by frequently 
  dressing the leather. I've tried using a regular twopiece rainsuit over 
  the leathers, but these flap quite a bit, and in less than three weeks 
  of use, I'd kicked a hole through the cheapie that I bought. 

  So now I'm looking for a rainsuit under $100 (you get what you pay for).
  Something that I could wear over my leathers, which doesn't flap about
  too much while riding, and easy to get in and out of. Any recommendations?

  Right now the weakest part in my dress are my shoes - hiking boots with
  nylon uppers. Even when its not wet, the feet get quite cold. Any 
  suggestions on low cost ways of keeping the feetsies warm & dry?
  (Atleast till I get mentally prepared to spend the big bucks on good
  riding boots).

  [I'll summarize if need be]

  Prem Pahlajrai.
  '84 Nighthawk 650
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Anyone with an 85 Honda Shadow vt500c?
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:07:10 GMT
Reply-To: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I am trying to figure out how to route the speedometer cable so that it  
doesn't get worn whenever I turn.  Thanks for the help!

John

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From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Denver Freenet
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:31:30 GMT
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



This isn't motorcycley, so quit if you're not from the Denver area.

Could a metro Denver type give me the phone number of the Denver Freenet?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a BSME can get a job?  Available 1/93.  This is for real!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.163650.26030@cs.hw.ac.uk> geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang) writes:
|In article 1edptvINN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM Ed Green writes:
|>So why on Earth would anyone *NOT* wear a neon orange vest with lime
|
|Well Ed. I have serious doubts that a neon yellow, orange, green, pink, etc.
|west will do you much good when you are hitting the concrete or aiming for the
|gravel after breaking on a spot of oil or sand. However, a god helmet might do
|the trick.

  A "god" helmet *might*, yet you have no guarantee that a mortal helmet will
help, either.  I totally agree, though, if you are going to hit the concrete,
wearing a helmet is most likely a GREAT idea, since it is doubtful it will
hurt you, as long as you are *definitely* going to hit the ground.

  Nice attempt at derailing Ed's point, yet his point is very valid.  Since
most motorcycle accidents resulting in injury also involve cars, and most of
them involve an error on the part of the car driver *seeing* the motorcyclist,
Ed's point might be a better idea than the helmet.

|Makes sense, huh, Ed?

  So does *avoiding* that spot of oil or sand in the first place.  In the
end, its up to the rider to avoid circumstances that are going to put him
on the ground, I think you might agree.  The helmet is for when that fails.
A helmet also has an added benefit that one with a face-shield will protect
one's face from road debris.  As long as the helmet doesn't hurt a rider's
ability to avoid danger, then there is no safety-related reason to not wear
one (there will always be those reasons of comfort, style, etc... that
really don't belong in this discussion).

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:10:34 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <BxrrnM.Bt4@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>
>But they do still make it. It's called the RD350R, has an updated, twin
>headlight, full fairing and is made in Brazil under license from Yahama.
>Imported into Britain it's about 3400 pounds

Wow, try to back that out of a parking space!

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Rental Bikes in Halafax, NS, eh?
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:45:49 GMT


Going to be in Halafax in July, and I'm 
wondering if any of the vast and colourfull
DoD, and their trailing wannabe's, might
know of a method of renting a couple of 
motorcycles for a week or two. 

Please reply to the email address below.
As usual, if any body cares, I'll post a
successful contact after I verify their
reality.

ObGetABikeEd: didn't I se one for $1600 + $82/mo?


---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#538
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
  Don't bother arguing with drunks or zealots
they're not listening to anyone but themselves.
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: i can't believe i'm getting into this (was RE: HELMETS)
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:04:57 GMT
	<cass8806.435.722470450@elan.glassboro.edu>
	<1992Nov23.180522.3474@megatek.com>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: randy@megatek.com's message of 23 Nov 92 18:05:22 GMT

>>>>> On 23 Nov 92 18:05:22 GMT, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) said:
Randy>   Interesting.  Although you can see that there is SOME loss, you 
Randy> determine, on the basis of a 30 second test done while, it sounds 
Randy> like, standing inside somewhere, that it is "_insignificant_"???

(Further ranting and raving deleted)

Randy,
	Only problem is that his "impression" is borne out by ANSI,
DOT, and Snell standards and the studies which resulted in them.
Furthermore, there is no evidence short of contrived that helmet
occlusion of peripheral vision is a contributory factor in accident
involvement.

	Arguments based on calling the other guy an asshole do not
prove your point.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: "Situational Awareness"
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:22:18 GMT

In article <By1DKv.JLo@news.iastate.edu>, tomes@iastate.edu () writes:

|>    The effect you are referring to is known to the rest of the world as
|>    "Situational Awareness" and describes the conceptual understanding of the
|>    environment necesssary to perfom a specific function, in the case of a 
|>    fighter pilot or helicopter pilot the threat scenario and tactical
|>    situation.  In the case of a motorcyclist, it is the possible hazards and
|>    riding environment.

Funny, I don't see any difference at all, save I can't
shoot back without taking my hand off the bars.

Just as well, as I would have killed a few cagers (in self-
defense, of course.)

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#538
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
  Don't bother arguing with drunks or zealots
they're not listening to anyone but themselves.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady)
Subject: Re: Alaska Route (was What would you ride on a long distance trip?)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:24:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>
>Unless the ferry system changed this year, you can't take a state ferry
>from Anchorage to Sitka/Juneau.  You can drive from Anchorage to
>Portage, hop on the train (with your bike) to Whittier, cruise through
>Prince William Sound on the State Ferry to Valdez, drive the highway to
>Skagway/Haines and then take the Ferry to Juneau, etc.
>
Yes, you still have to down to Whittier to get the ferry. I've been up there
before, but (alas) it was via airplane and cage... The cool thing about the
train is watching the busses and semis ramping up onto the flatcars for the
trip from Whittier to Portage!

>According to my Milepost, it appears that there is only about 50 miles
>of unpaved road (not withstanding the continuous maintenance that occurs
>due to the extreme conditions).
>
Yeah, and the "continuous maintenance" can kill you! I beat the mortal sh*t
out of a rental car on some of the roads under reconstruction. The best one
I remember was the part of the road from Anchorage to Homer where if you didn't 
get through between certain hours you had to wait 12 HOURS before the road 
opened up again. And there were no McDonalds waiting there to take your 
order, either :-) 

The road reconstruction was 10-15 miles of mud, ruts, 2-3 foot drop offs in 
the middle of the "road" (=8^O) and dodging contruction vehicles -- not for 
the faint of heart.

--pete

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pete Brady                              EMAIL: brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Until 8 Jan 93)
Dirtbag Contractor from Hell(tm)        PHONE: 508-436-5226 (Until 8 Jan 93)

"...would Godzilla ride a Japanese bike if one were big enough?" -- Curt Nelson

DoD #5831 -- '92 CBR600F2
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Cops Suck!  Cops Suck!
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:04:16 GMT

Jonathan E. Quist (jeq@i88.isc.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov11.204255.8167@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
: >My seester is a cop but that is in another town. YTMV.  
:     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 
: >They do lie quite well though.
:          ^^^
: 
: There's a nasty joke in there someplace, but who am I to besmirch the
: reputation of a fellow biker's sister, no matter how cute her fanny is...
: -- 
: Jonathan E. Quist                           INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation


How do you know, have you seen it?  Has she seen your willy?


ObMoto>  Visited the Triumph factory on Sunday.


Nick (the Biker who is into fannys)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford


M'Lud.  (besmircher extraordinnaire...)   "Hey, it's cold over here!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: UK - Motorcycle Show
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:38:55 GMT

Roger Collier - Sun - Coventry. (rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com) wrote:
: We're meeting by the Yamaha GTS1000 at 12:00 on Saturday 5th Dec.
: I couldn't get through to Nick on datasbld@bnr.ca so I hope you read this.
: 
:          #                                           # Let's not talk about
:    _     #     Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM              # love and flowers and
: o_/_\_o  #                                           # things that don't
:  (O_O)   #     Sun Microsystems, Coventry, England.  # explode. I've used up
:   \H/    #     (44) 203 692255                       # all of my magic powers
:    U     #                                           # trying to do it in the
:       DoD#226  GSXR1100L                             # road.
:                Keeper of the GSXR1100 list.
: 


Roger, I read you loud and clear.  Message understood.  Over and Out.


Nick (the WWII Ace Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Spitfire MkIV

M'Lud.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:00:05 -0500
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From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: FORTUNE magazine profiles Hells Angels
Organization: What me, worry?
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:59:26 GMT

In article <BD.92Nov18164022@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>This sounds too structured to me.  Anyone have any first hand
>experience about this.  Are the "rides" really that structured?

I had friends in the Hell's Angels twenty-odd years ago and I visited their
clubhouse a few times.

The guy who knew where the gang was going led the way - hierarchy was 
based mostly on scoot classification - nice ones in the front. (I was
always in the back with a Sporty.) Some of them were drug dealers but
the group was far to anarchistic to be organized. And they didn't harass
anyone except each other and rival gangs.

At the same time I had a friend in the Devil's Disciples (a rival
group) which had similar behavior. These aren't groups who were into
organization - they were into drinking beer, taking drugs, listening to 
rock-n-roll, working on scoots and engaging in various acitivities with 
members of the opposite sex. They were really good at fixing bikes, but
I don't think any of them had MBA's from Bentley or Harvard.

Maybe its different in other parts of the country.

-Lance Holst
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:25:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 9788@wixer.cactus.org, lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>
>Motorcycling is dangerous, it's a fact, 

No it's not.

Insert the word "potentially," and I'll agree.

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:05:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.190627.15333@twg.com> rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.172201.6784@znext.cts.com> erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) writes:
>>
>>	There is but one bike for such nonsense! The Kawasaki Concours.
>>Eats up miles with the greatest of ease, hard luggage, excellent wind
>>protection too. A Goldwing would be more comfy for sure, though I'm not
>>sure I'd want to try piloting such a rig on the Alaskan "highway". Yikes. 
>>
>
>While I agree that there are a multitude of motorcycles that would do this,
>has anyone (particularly those who say that the Gold Wing wouldn't handle 
>the rough stuff) ever riden a Wing? I personally have ridden with a pack

  I've ridded two different Wings -- a total of ~150 miles.  They are
*really* smooth.  They are also not form me.  Some of my criteria are
1) What kind of rocks and streams can i navigate (ground clearance).
2) What kinds of brush and trees can I get through/past (faring/engine)
3) How easy is it to get unstuck from mud and stream beds, especially
   when I tip it over (weight/cg)

... and this in on the *street bike* list.  Except for the honda
CR125 I used to have, all of my bikes have been dual purpose -- whether
designed that way or not.

>of sport bikes. Some that I couldn't keep up with, but there were alot 
>behind me that couldn't keep up with me. The Gold Wing handles surprizingly
>well. I have met a guy who runs a motorcycle tour of Alaska and he uses
>Gold Wings. The winner of the Iron Butt for the last however many years
>has been on a Gold Wing.
  As a group, I guess I respect wingers more that any other.  For one
reason: I see a lot of them on the road -- going places.
>
>Ride what you enjoy riding. For whatever reasons you enjoy riding it. 

  Here here!

>For my money, a 10,000 mile trip should be done on a Gold Wing!
 
 and for mine (so far) it's a beemer ...

Mark Crowder  "I'm sorry my karma ran over your dogma"  crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
"Some degree of honesty must be present in conversation, or it lapses into
a lower form of art such as literature" 
                         -- P.J. O'Rourke "Republican Party Reptile"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:51:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <RTARAZ.92Nov14211852@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>I was just watching cops on fox and they had a report on an accident
>after they showed that the victom was about 40 feet away from the
>seen, I was sure that it was a car-bike accident.
>
>the cage driver said: I looked both ways and didn't see anything, so I
>took a left on the road (he was going on a road from a parking lot, I
>think).  Look both ways and saw nothing! obviously there was
>something.  I dont know how he managed to not see the headlight of the
>motorcycle. (the accident happened after the sunset.)
>The driver was charged with a ADD count!  (asshole drunk driver)
>
>Ohh, the cop said at the end: they had to amputate her leg! ouuuch
>

One of the cops on the show mentioned that the cager was also being charged
with failure to yield right-of-way and two counts of vehicular assault.     
I saw this episode just 5 minutes after finishing a 150 mile ride across
north Texas (dusk, early evening, worst time for not being seen on a bike)
and the bloody scenes almost made me throw up.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: TWO 1985 HONDA SPREE's FOR SALE
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:16:16 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Monday November 16 1992 18:29, SHARON HUGHES-RUBINO wrote to All:

 SH> YOUR VMID "ROOT" IS WHAT YOU CAN SHOVE WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE FOR
 SH> YOUR RUDE REPLY TO MY FIRST POST.

What are you going to shove where as penance for being rude in return?

P.S. Turn your caps key off, rookie.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
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