From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Telugu Culture Net Digest 36
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:33:52 GMT

Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:26:52 EDT
From: Telugu@andy.bgsu.edu 
Reply-To: World Telugu People Network <Telugu@andy.bgsu.edu>
Subject: World Telugu People Network <Telugu Digest V8 #36
To: Telugu@andy.bgsu.edu


World Telugu People Network Thu, 30 Jul 92       Volume 1 : Issue  36 

Today's Topics:

      A Request to All Membership!
      Article
      Folk song .....
      JUBV prasad gaari article meedha...
      Last Names
      Objectionable articles
      On song "Sirimalli Sogasu.."
      On Uloochi
      Poetry 
      Some Poems
      Some Telugu Jokes..
      Telugu fonts
      Uluchi.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:36:07 MST
From: Vegesna Srinivas Raju <ASRIN%ASUACAD.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
Subject: A Request to All Membership!

Hello Narayana

I couldn't really get your point. Any obsene or indecent expression of
speech has to be curtailed. And as the editor of WTPN you are responsible
for those items. You are the one editing those reports. Make sure they
have the readability that is expected of a wider section. If you want the
discussion to be unmoderated, let it be like a listserver like system.


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 Vegesna Srinivas Raju
 Graduate Student                           Ph: (602) 966 1737
 Electrical Engineering ERC 434             Internet: asrin@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
 Arizona State University                   Bitnet: asrin@asuacad
 Tempe Arizona 85287

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:41:27 EDT
From: Uppalapati Siva <siva%sun1.engr.utk.edu@utkux1.utk.edu>
Subject: Article

Dear Editor,
	
	This is with regard to the so called obscene posting and the 
responses to it. I understand that it does offend quite a few people.
But I really feel you are doing a great job, as editing a news letter
is not an easy thing and it consumes lot of time. 

	So all netters please understand this as there could be an
occasional obscene article slipped in the digest. Dont get too much
upset about it and be patient as the news letter is evolving, as it
places too much burden on the part of editor to read each and every
single word in every single article. Lets keep the spirit of the news
group and see what good it can do and try to improve on it.

siva

From: vankay@enel.ucalgary.ca (Vidyasagar Vankayala)
Message-Id: <9207291802.AA01310@fsa.enel.ucalgary.ca>
Subject: A Poem
To: TELUGU@VM1.NoDak.EDU
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:02:32 MDT


			       Swapnam
                               -------

Pallavi		Nidurinche Naa Madi Lo
		Evarido Eee Rupam ?
		Marapu Raani Rangula Swapnam
		Malachi Mayamaina Denduku ?


Charanam 1	Aaasa Vidachi Manasu Virigi
		Nittuurpula Niseedhi Veedhula
		Pichchi Vaadi Nayye Velala
		Seda Theerchi Kanneeru Thudichi
			[]
			  Evarido Eee Rupam ?
			  Nilachi Mayamaina Denduku ?
			[]

Charanam 2	Gatha Kalapu Samupdrapodduna
		Gyapakala Guruthula Kosam
                Vethaki Vethaki Alasina Velala
		Chentha Nilachi Cheyi Kalapi

			[]
			  Evarido Eee Rupam ?
			  Nilachi Mayamaina Denduku ?
			[]

March 3, 1991, Calgary.

(c) Vidya Hima Sagar, 1991.

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Sorry folks, I did not have the time to use any
transliteration scheme. However, it should be an easy reading for our
Telugu guys/gals. An earlier version of this poem was posted on SCI.
Comments, criticisms and transliteration schemes are welcome at
vankay@enel.ucalgary.ca.

For those with a musical bent of mind, this song was composed in Raagam-
Himapriya, in Eka (4 beats) talam.

Enjoy,
Vidya Hima Sagar. (vankay@enel.ucalgary.ca)
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Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
		-- Mark Twain

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:34:05 EDT
From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Subject: Folk song .....

The following is a very popular folk song, which the women of Andhra MUST have
heard before -- I am not including the men in this.

But it is quite popular that much I know.  I am qriting the song below,
after trying to obtain the `rachana-vaakyalu' by listening to the song
on cassette tapes.   thappulu vuntae dhidhdhandee

akshaarala `reference' : ta tttha da  dddha NNa
			 tha tHHa dha dHHa na
			 pa pha   ba  bha  ma ...

		`mokka-zonna thota lo...'
		-------------------------


chukka laeni konda meedha, Ssoku chaesukunae veLLa
panta vari madi lo, paka paka navvu vaeLLa
kalagali thota kanta, chakkiligili pettuvaeLLa

podhdhu vaali nenta nae, puntha dhaari ventanae
sadhdhumaNNaga nichchira, mudhdhula maamayya (2)
mudhdhula maamayya (3)

mokka-zonna thota lo, musirina seekatla lo	||
mancha kaada kalusuko maruvaku maamayya		||
maruvaku maamayya (3)				||

kudu goodha mallaesae kurra kunkalaku gaani
thalupu-theethalaku gani, kanna paduchulaku gaani
bugga meesa mudi vaesae pookamandhuku gaani

baavaki-aedhuru vasthivaa, dhonga choopu choosthivaa
thanta mana idhdhariki, thappadhu maamayya

mokka ...					||

kanchi meedha gummadi poo konchi konchi choosthaadhi
virabaarina zonna potta vekili navvu navvuthaadhi
kamalapu theegalu kaaLLLLaku thagili moraayisthaayi

baedhiri poku maamaya, chaedhiri poku maamaya
sadhunu konu padhunu gundae, chakkani maamayya
chakkani maamayya (3)

mokka ...					||

palakattu yaeththi nannu palakarincha boyinapudu
mota baavi vaenuka naatho mota sarasamu aadinapudu
chaeruku thota malapu kaada chitika vaesi pilasinapudu

kasari kotti naanani, visiri kottinaanani
sinna boku nalugurilo, siggari maamayya
siggari maamayya (3)

mokka ...					||



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:31:21 EDT
From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Subject: JUBV prasad gaari article meedha...

Uloochi (a.k.a Uloopi ?) is a creation of maharishi J****
(I am failing to recall tha name).  Maharishi is a shishya of
Vyaasa maharishi.  This Uloopi and a whole lot of katha-allikalu
are not in the original VYASA mahabharatamu.

If I am right, even the jimutavahana katha is supposed to have
been cooked up by this maharishi.

----------

Question : What wouldhave happened to telugu bhaasha's literary
	   features (which is one of the best of all languages)
	   if Nannayya decided not to intermingle telugu and
	   another language (samskritam) with such casualness ?

	For eg : Dont you see, how english and other alien
	words easily fit into a proper telugu vaakyamu !



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:01:23 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Last Names

Hi

In 1988, I have read an essay "Inti peru ela vundadam sari ayinadi?" written
by Ranganayakamma garu. I want to share the contents in brief.

Once we accept the social equality between women and men, how the house name or
the sir name or the last name should be?

Some people get their last name from the husband's/father's name. In this
case, there is no equality. The reason is obvious.

Some people get their last name from the husband's/father's house name. This
is also not ok.

There is no place for wife's/mother's name at all. It doesn't mean that people
have come to this world without mothers. Because it is a male oriented society
since a long time, there is no equality.

If we accept this, we agree that mother's name also should be in the child's
name.

Father and mother never change for any child. A husband may change or a wife
may change. Because, the relation with parents is 'natural' whereas the
relation between wife and husband is 'social'. The social relation can change,
but the natural relation will never change.

Hence, it is correct that a child's last name should be derived from mother's
and father's name. (Andhra names are long. Take only a word from that name).

Example: My name is J. Udaya Bhaskara Vara Prasad. I took 'Bhaskar'.
     My wife's name is 'Sujatha'.
     My daughter's name is Swathi.
     My son's name is Sarath.
     I put my children names in the passports as follows:
     Swathi S.B. ( Swathi Sujatha Bhaskar)
     Sarath S.B. ( Sarath Sujatha Bhaskar)

P.S. Mother's name in the child name should be the first word for obvious
natural reasons.

In this case, the names of children indicate the social equality between
women and men.

-- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:07:28 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Objectionable articles

Hi Everybody,

I have seen the posting of the Editor  regarding some objectionable article.
At the same time, I have seen the postings of some people about this article.
I want to share my feelings with the readers of Telugu digest in this context.

What I understood:

Somebody posted an article which has some obscene things. I am not sure
whether the language is not ok, or the opinions of the author are not ok.
Users of the net started objecting this article. Some claim that this type
of articles should not be published. The editor says something about free
expression. He also says that he would take care of it. People are still
objecting it.

My feelings:

I want to consider two aspects:

1. Bad language: It means that the article is objectionable or acceptable, but
the language or the words, are untolerable.

The sole responsibility for this, is with the Editor. Editor has always right
to edit the article, if it has some bad words which are not accepted by the
current society. With the usage of "Free Expression", every junk can not be
published, as it affects a lot of readers. There is a saying - "Your freedom
stops where other's freedom starts". If obscene words are used in any article,
the editor has to remove those words. Every article in any magazine or any
digest expresses the attitude of the editor/magazine/digest.

2. Contents are objectionable:

For example, somebody writes an article saying that SATHI is very good, it
becomes an objectionable article. Some people will have negative thoughts,
whereas some will have progressive thoughts. In such cases, the editor has
to decide, first of all, whether to publish the article or not. If it is
raising some points which should be answered to kill those negative thoughts,
then it should be published with the editor's comments. Otherwise, it gives
us a feeling that the editor is supporting such types of negative thoughts.
For every such article, editor need not criticize completely, but he has to
at least indicate that he would not accept these opinions. It is enough from
editor's side. Then, the rest of the readers will take care of it. We should
not demand the editor not to publish such articles if we have to contradict
the negative ideas very logically, and if these negative ideas are expressed
with some false logic. If there is no logic (good or bad ) behind these ideas,
then
a. editor should not publish them at all
b. the readers just should ignore this article.
Ideas will not live with out support. But, all readers should have knowledge
of throwing such articles.

Banning the articles is not a good idea. The readers should throw the article
with their positive thinking. This is because bad is available around always
and it is our problem to identify it properly and throw it out. You can not
stop it getting generated under the current circumstances.

If I understood the conflict totally in a different way, I am sorry. Still,
my opinions hold good always, if not to the current conflict.

- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:22:22 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  30-Jul-1992 0908 <madhu@qcav02.enet.dec.com>
Subject: On song "Sirimalli Sogasu.."

From: <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: On song "Sirimalle Sogasu... by AM Raja & Suseela"

This is in reply to Sri Chandrasekhar's question..

The song is from the film "Puttinillu-Mettinillu" an
AVM production made around 1972.

Yes, it is AM Raja and Suseela. (AM Raja is no more..
he died in a train accident in 1991.)

The music is rendered by Satyam and the song is picturised 
on Krishna and Chandrakala.

There are some more melodious tunes in the same film:

-- "Ide paata, pratee chota, ilage paadukuntaanu..."
-- "Chinnari kannayya, naa aasa neevayya"(Good lyrics)

Untaanu
		Capt Madhusudhana Rao.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:33:34 +0000
From: Ram Ramarao <Ram_Ramarao@trigate.sbc.com>
Subject: On Uloochi

7/29/92

My recollections of Mahabhaaratham suggest that there was no reference to 
Uloochi in it. Nor is there anything about Chitraangada. These two characters 
were dealt with in detail by Chemakoora Venkata Kavi in his Vijaya Vilaasam. 
Acoording to him, Uloochi was a Naagakanyaka who saw Arjuna while he was on 
pilgrimage (before Paandavaas lost their kingdom to Kauravaas), fell in love 
with him, took him to her palace while he was asleep and later married him. 
She reappears again in Jeimini Bhaaratham (by Pillalamarri Pina Veerabhadrudu 
who was supposed to be exceptionally gifted and proudly stated "Vaani naa 
raani"; supposed to have completed the entire work in one day - in fact the 
legend is that goddess Saraswathi, while he was asleep that night, wrote most 
of it!!!) which takes up the story of Paandavaas after the end of Kurukshethra 
war. Paandavaas attempt the Aswamedha yaagam and Arjuna and Krishna accompany 
the sacrificial horse. When Arjuna is defeated by Babhruvaahana, the son of 
Chithraangada and Arjuna, Uloochi helps Babhruvaahana in getting a "divyamani" 
from naagalokam and to rejuvenate Arjuna with it.

As an aside, a couple of words on Chitraangada: on the same pilgrimage trip in 
which he married Uloochi, after leaving her, he goes to the kingdom of King 
Malayadhvaja and sees his daughter Chitraangada. This time, he falls in love 
with her and sends his accomplice Vishaarada to talk to Malayadhvaja about him 
and give the message that he wishes to marry Chitraangada. Malayadhvaja agrees 
but since she was his only child, wants her to stay with him. Arjuna marries 
her, stays with them until she gets pregnant, and goes on to the next stop, 
Dwaaraka where he marries Subhadra. What a pilgrimage! Anyway, this is the 
chronology I remember from Vijaya Vilaasam.

K.V.S. Ramarao

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:49:55 -0500
From: murthy@eemips.tamu.edu (Murthy Rayaprolu)
Subject: Poetry 

This is in response to Mr. Venu's query. 

>        Eee Desa Megina Endu Kalidina
>        Pogadara Nee Talli Telugu Bharathini
>         Palukara Nebasha Telugu Bashalane......

The poetry goes this way:

       Ae desa meginaa, endu kaalidinaa
      Pogadaraa nee talli bhoomi bhaaratini
      Niluparaa nee jaati nindu gouravumunu....

>Annaru Peddalu.
Annaaru Rayaprolu Subba Rao garu

Murthy Rayaprolu

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:52 EDT
From: svb@probe.att.com
Subject: Some Poems

	abaddhamu ladu kodukuni kani
        'gadida kodaka' ani talli tittaga vini
        gadida - 'hayyo veeda na koduku !!'
        ani ediche gadara ! ghana sampanna !

[ don't know who authored it. just remember from 'neelima'. it was
  a good magazine but did not continue for long.]
.....................................................

	raavi shastry gari gurinchi chaala mandiki telusu ! some snippets
	from his writings ..

	doctorki yamudiki yuddham jarugu thoondi ...
	doctor gelichaadu. yamudu kaalu pattuku pooyaadu ..

	[scene: hospital lo operation jarugutoondi, operationloo
		patient kaalu pooyindi.]

	-------------

	road meeda kaaru veltoondi ..
	kaaruki edurugaa meeka vachchindi ..
	meekaki edurugaa kaaru vachchindi ..
	meekani tappinchaadu .. 
	manishi chachchi poyaadu .

	[scene: edurugaa vachchina meekani tappincha booyi 
		kaaru manishini guddeesindi.]


- Satyam

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:30:20 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  30-Jul-1992 1116 <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Some Telugu Jokes..

From: <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com> Capt Madhusudhana Rao.

Subject: Telugu Humour.

Sri Edida Gopala Rao, AIR News Reader used to lead
"Telugu Kala Jyothi" at Delhi actively participating
in Telugu Theatre and Cultural activities.

One day I asked him " Sir, Idi "SABHYULAKE" parimitama ?

He replied - ledu, "ASABHYULAKU KOODA !!"

	-	-	-	-	-
On a college anniversary day, one student was singing
the hit Hindi film song from "Maine Pyaar Kiya".

"Dil diwaana, dip sajanake..."MAANENAA"

One chap from the audience shouted..."MAANEYYI !!! "
	-	-	-	-	-

A writer commented to Sri Sri that having a great set
of writers in Telugu, still we have "NYUNATA" in
Telugu Literature.

Sri Sri replied "NEW-NATA" (NEW) leni annallu,
manaki ee nyunanta tappadu".

Untanu
	Capt Madhusudhana Rao.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:06:53 EDT
From: Sriram@top.cis.syr.edu
Subject: Telugu fonts

Few digests ago there was a post to put Sumathi Sathakam in Tex on ftp
site. May be I missed the follow up. Has it been done. If so can
somebody please let me know of the whereabouts.

Also thanks to K. Sankara Rao for helping in setting up
on ftp and Lakshmi V. S. Mukkavilli for creating telugu fonts
using MTAFONT. It is an excellent job.

Thanks,
-sriram

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:00:38 EDT
From: Sriram@top.cis.syr.edu
Subject: Uluchi.

In Telugu digest #35 J U B V Prasad wrote a little about Uluchi.

I am relying on my memory and telugu chandamama and amar chitra katha books.

Arjuna leaves Hasthinapur to do thirthyatra for one year as he 
breaks vow and invades the privacy of Yudhistira and Draupadi.
In his wanderings he happens to enter a forest and after hunting one day
quenches his thirst in a pool belonging to Nagas and loses conscious.
He wakes up to find himself in Naga loka. There Uloopi (if I am not wrong
that is the real name of the character and not Uloochi, but may be I am wrong )
the naga princess falls in love and marries Arjuna. After few days he
realises that he has to be on his way and leaves the place. Again in his
wanderings he enters a different kingdom and falls in love with a beautiful
woman, who happens to be the princess of that kingdom named Chitrangada.
Bhabruvahana is the son born to Arjuna and Chitrangada, fact not known
to Arjuna.

Later he again takes leave and finishes his thirthyatra with his marriage
to Subhadra. After the war when Kauravas are defeated Dharmaraja performs
aswamedhayaga and sends Arjuna to gaurd the horse. Bhabruvahana captures the 
horse and fights with Arjuna and kills him. He laments after he gets to
know that he killed his own father. Uloopi knows Chitrangada.
( I forgot the intricacies involved here ). She takes the help of a mani
(diamond) to get back the life of Arjuna. 

That is how I remember. How I wish I had the collection of chandamama
and amar chitra katha with me( but there are debates as to how authentic
these sources are ).

Thanks,
-sriram

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