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From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Just a question!
Date: 28 Dec 1992 00:18:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
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In a previous article, dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti) says:
>
>Anyone who goes looking for an insult will find one.

Amen.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: A Few Questions
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:22:23 GMT

LARUE, CHARLES L. (crr4574@venus.tamu.edu) wrote:
> I am trying to gain some insight into the subject of homosexuality because I
> do not understand you.  I am not trying to be offensive, I just do not know the
> answers to my questions.
> 1.  Would you be heterosexual if you had a choice?
	I am heterosexual, but I might be homosexual if I had a choice. I
happen to get along with men better than women...the only problem is, I have
absolutely no attraction to men whatsoever. Oh well - just thought an alternate
opinion might be interesting.
> 2.  What terms do you find offensive?  I thought I knew until I heard of Queer
>     Nation.
> 3.  I never understood what the problem was with Perot's comments in the
>     election.  He said that he did not want gays in his cabinet because he 
>     wanted to avoid controversy.  After this he was insulted and shouted down
>     several times.  I felt this did not look good for the homosexual community,
>     that someone should have asked him to clarify his position instead of 
>     insulting him.  Can someone comment on this?
> 4.  Finally, are you able to have heterosexual sex and enjoy it?
	Being heterosexual, I have not tried (to reverse your question around)
to ever have homosexual sex. This is because it does not look like much fun to
me. If I tried, I suspect that there would be some sort of enjoyment, but no
more than onanism. It just ain't my thing.
> 
> Once again, I am not trying to be offensive and I am not doing any type of
> study.  I ask these questions merely because I do not understand.
> 
> Charley
							-Skippy
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Just a question!
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: dise@oregon.uoregon.edu
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
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In article <1992Dec22.093315.12581@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw>  
u7913017@cc.nctu.edu.tw (CHANG SHU HAW ) writes:
> Hi!everybody !could someone tell me some polictics that the asian governmon
> take or the society attitude toward homosexual,expecially China and Taiwan?

I had a gay Taiwanese friend for whom I tutored English last year.  He said  
everyone thought it was a joke or something -- no one took it seriously.  His  
family still expected him to get married and raise a family and all that; they  
completely disregarded his homosexuality and expected him to act like a  
breeder -- "just like everyone else".

In China, however, things are much different.  Until recently China claimed  
that homosexuality was an anachronism, and that no Chinese were gay.  They  
have a tendency to shuffle folks off to "reeducation camps" (a.k.a.  
concentration camps) and provide serious electroshock therapy.  In fact, there  
was a letter from a gay man in a Chinese mental hospital in this month's issue  
of Portland's GLBO newspaper.

David.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: WHY?
Organization:  The Committee to Hunt Down and Permanently Kill Elvis
	<1992Dec22.140856.11193@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.140856.11193@qiclab.scn.rain.com> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

   peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:

   >>Why do men like to stick it up other men's poopshoots....<eeewwww!>

   >Excellent question!   I second the <eeewwww!> part, too.

   So? At one time I thought that sticking my tongue into another person's
   mouth was the grossest thing I'd ever heard of. But y'know, kissing turns
   out to be a lot of fun.

   >I don't believe in sex before marriage, and I'm none too sure about it
   >afterward, either !!!

   Then quit trying to tell *other* people how to carry out an activity that
   you have no interest in!

But, if he did that, he'd have no reason to even read news...you know,
that's not such a bad idea.  :-)

   >>Why do men like to stick anything up women's assholes?  
   >        
   >They don't.  The only men that do this are closet queers.        

   In which case most of the male population is "closet queers". I 
   suggest that you do some reading. *Most* men have tried anal sex.

   >        >And writing "eeewwww" won't do you a whole lot of good because, 
   >        >after all, I can prove that five times as many straight women 
   >        >as gay men like being on the receiving end of anal sex.

   >Does this mean that all the coprophiliacs, er homosexuals, fight over
   >who gets to be the "man" each night?  Not tonight honey, my butt has
   >a big ZIT on it <eeeewwww!>.  :)

   Guess what, *most* homosexuals are more interested in *oral* sex 
   than anal sex. Substantial numbers aren't even interested in anal sex.

   I suggest that you try finding out *facts* before the next time
   you start expressing an opinion that is based on falsehoods and
   ignorance. You've quite obviously decided that gays are "bad" because
   they do things you think are sick. Only trouble is, what you *think*
   they do doesn't bear a lot of resemblance to reality.

...which is only fitting, since nothing he's ever posted to this newsgroup
(or any other on Usenet that I've seen, for that matter) has had any
semblance of reality -- just the usual bigotry.  

--PLH, that's one constant *I* could do without, I know...
   
--

Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Raises a new question (Re: Is sexuality chosen or inborn?)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:33:34 GMT

In article <31DEC199221142256@zeus.tamu.edu>
     olw7845@zeus.tamu.edu (Zeke E. Pez) writes:

>How come I see no attempts to define _consenting adults_ with respect
>to homosexual behaviour.  This qualifier is seems to be a weak attempt
>to say that Heteros, and Homos are the only allowable _sexual
>orientations_ thus implies the ability to discriminate against other
>"alternative" _sexual orientations_ such as bestiality, necrophilia,
>and most of all pedophilia. I wonder what label a person would have
>if his _orientation_ is "makin' luv" to a beehive?? And would (or
>should) this _orientation_ be protected by law??

   Zeke, you're getting tiresome.  We're quite aware of your silly and
pathetic attempts to drive a wedge somewhere new, but unfortunately
you're really not doing very well.  Necrophilia does not involve
consent, merely ownership; bestiality *could* involve consent (as if we
gave a damn, seeing as how we run 'em into into the ground and eat
them) but the issue of animal consenst has not seen its last word;
paedophilia is an entirely different can of worms and I would argue
that some of the points being raised about whether or not twelve year
olds can consent or not has also not seen its last word.

   Next thing we know, Zeke, you'll be asking if the _condom_ consented
to be part of the sex act.

   I dunno, Zeke.  Does your log talk to you?

>Maybe, it is a combination of both.  Maybe, if you search way down
>into your inner soul, you might see that closet "PEDOPHILE" that
>waiting to come out.

   *Snort*  Already looked there.  Didn't see Pedophile, but I did see
Bestialist.  The issue still hasn't been resolved for me.  Listen
close, though, Zeke.  Listen real close.

   Because the issue of animals and consent has not been completely
resolved for me, I am not going to act on that particular bent.  There
is a wide difference between *rape* and *consensual sex* and those of
us who are responsible human beings, gay, straight, or other, can
recognize the difference.  The fact that you cannot shows that, of
everyone here, you are the greatest danger to society and should be
locked up for our own good.

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Bias in favour of established parties not limited to continental U.S.
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:09:38 GMT


I saw this article in soc.culture.caribbean and I thought it might be of
some mild interest to readers.

Question...what is the LP's status in Puerto Rico?

------------------------------

nicanet@nyxfer.UUCP writes:

>Subject: Puerto Rico Update 12/20/92
>From: nyxfer!nicanet (NicaNet NY)
>
>Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>from...
>         Nicaragua Solidarity Network of Greater New York
>       339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 (212) 674-9499
>            Weekly News Update #151, December 20, 1992
>
>PUERTO RICAN ELECTION RECOUNT: ENVIRONMENTALIST GAINS VOTES
>
>According to the Movimiento Amplio de Pueblo ("Broad People's
>Movement"), a recount shows that environmentalist candidate
>Neftali Garcia won 70,189 votes in Puerto Rico's Nov. 3 elections
>(3.8% of the total), some 12,000 more than in the first
>tabulation, while the Puerto Rican Independence Party, one of the
>country's three registered parties, came in behind with 3.3%. The
>group, which expects Garcia's vote to go up further when three
>more districts are recounted, says the error shows the State
>Election Commission's bias in favor of the registered parties.
>[ED-LP 12/15/92] Meanwhile, the New York Times waited until Dec.
>18 to give full coverage to the elections. The story was run in
>the US "National Report" section. 
-- 
*davE*   Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
########## David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
Your shame is neverending. Just one psychological drama after another.-Erasure
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Gold v. Oil: Backed Currency
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.160957.19759@samba.oit.unc.edu> bolden@beta.math.unc.edu (Jeffrey Bolden) writes:
>
>	I don't mean to knit pick, but have you ever heard of a stock
>split?  You can split stock two ways:
>1)  Give x shares for each share owned to each shareholder.
>2)  Sell x shares on the open market.
>
>	So in otherwords a company can do exactly that (print more shares
>and decrease their value); with SEC permission of course.
>
scenario #1 is a stock split, #2 is a new issue, if you want to nit pick...

and yet again, your point is lost on me. if a company increases the number
of shares outstanding, the market value of each share immediately 
drops to compensate for the increased supply. but since companies, generally,
give a flying crap about the value of their paper (unlike governments),
they resist before doing this. a stock split really does not affect 
the stockholders much, and a new issue has its resultant consequences.

--
charles
From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins)
Subject: Re: Anti-Trust Laws
Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:19:06 GMT

In article <BzzoFz.7y2@SSD.intel.com>, pandit@ssd.intel.com (Milind Pandit) writes:
|> I was wondering what libertarians would think if Microsoft came under
|> FTC investigation for anti-trust violations, and what you think of
|> anti-trust laws in general.
|> 
|> Briefly, Microsoft operating system code includes "undocumented
|> features" which are known and used internally by Microsoft
|> applications developers, but are not publicized to outside developers.
|> Microsoft claims that this is because they do not want to support
|> these proprietary features.  Others claim that these features give

Let me finish, "Microsoft an unfair advantage."

No advantage Microsoft enjoys is "unfair" unless they used fraud to
achieve it.  It's unfortunate that the questions that should be asked
will not be asked in this case.  The FTC will only care how big the
advantage is; if it's too big, MS is too successful and must be forced
to give the little guys a chance.

|> -- 
|> Milind S. Pandit			|
|> Operating Systems Engineer		| pandit@ssd.intel.com
|> Intel Supercomputer Systems Division	|

Roger Collins
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: Re:  Gold vs. Oil
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 12:35:03 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: rice,  utility

In article <1992Dec28.155219.16619@inel.gov> whg@inel.gov (Bill Gray) writes:
>
>It is incorrect to maintain that gold has no intrinsic value, while oil does.
>Gold has utility as money,  and as a metal.  It's just that throughout much
>of monetary history,  its utility as money has outweighed much of its utility
>as an industrial metal.  Those desiring something with high industrial utility
>as a currency standard might consider platinum,  or silver.
>

Just want to step in here and say that platinum is a poor choice, because
a very large portion of its value derives from its use in catalytic
converters. Watch for its price to plummet the day the palladium catalytic
converter is announced... I'm keeping my ear to the ground and getting
ready to sell short.

-- 
__/\__  Jonathan S. Haas         | Jake liked his women the way he liked
\    /  University of Michigan   | his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-
/_  _\  positron@engin.umich.edu | fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and
  \/                             | covered with short brown fuzzy hair.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
From: whg@inel.gov (Bill Gray)
Subject: Re: Views? :
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 16:22:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.063235.4991 ... name removed to protect the ignorant>
someone writes:

|> ... the cost for
|> SA to mine gold is minimal, it vertually is "just lying around." ...

That is why the SA mines are some of the deepest in the world.  I never under-
stood that before.  Once you get down there (to about 5000 ft or so),  then
the gold is "just lying around."   Of course,  it costs little to dig that deep,
provide cooling,  and pump out the water,  and ...

Utter nonsense.

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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Feminism and Libertarians
Date: 22 Dec 1992 23:17:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec20.001534.27631@samba.oit.unc.edu>, bolden@beta.math.unc.edu (Jeffrey Bolden) writes:

> >I don't know of a single Libertarian, nor anything in LP platform that would
> >condone State imposed dress codes.
> 
> Yes, but you don't see the LP march with the woman in NY to get them
> repealed. 

How do you know this?  Do you expect them to wear buttons?  Do you imply that
having them carry a banner loudly proclaiming, "Libertarians for Toplessness"
would have conferred some important advantage to either cause?
-- 

cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
From: cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Japan VS. US
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:45:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Bolden:

Well, this isn't scientific, but if you have a declining living
standard, you will tend have people leave the country provided
that a superior living standard exists elsewhere. I'm sure the
average Japanese doesn't like spending fifty dollars in tolls,
being forced to volunteer for extra working hours, having a 
bureaucracy instead of a democracy, and having some maniacal,
brutish police force and if the means would leave.        

In such a situation all of the smart people usually leave first
and then the rest of the population catches up. Japan will 
experience a brain drain. On top of that, the corporations
will no longer have a work force willing to work over time.

As for American military might, we do have some say when we
target a conflict. When the U.S. focuses on politically
and econmically popular causes (like freeing Kuwait), it
does have an effect. But U.S. foreign policy is not 
consistent and intervention depends upon the whims of the
people in the executive branch and in the legislative
branch. In this case, foreign agitants usually can act
without worrying about U.S. intervention unless they
encroach on Burundi when we have a president who is of
Burundi background. (No offense on Burundi. Just using
an example.) I guess we agree there.

Virtually,

Edmund J. Ryan
From: mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Are recent Libertarian crusades not libertarian?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:42:39 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.2.36

In article <78160@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM
(Mark Wilson) writes [about term limits]:
>That is why I have concluded that the best solution is to give each and
>everyone of them the boot before they have a chance to get to comfortable.

If you think politicians can't "get comfortable" in less than 8 or 12 years,
why should we take anything else you say seriously?

Mike Huben

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest."  Denis Diderot in "Dithrambe sur la fete de rois".
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Views? :
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:29:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec28.163431.17136@inel.gov> whg@inel.gov (Bill Gray) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.070221.9490@athena.mit.edu>, cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>|> ... the kind of thing [branding emigre's as traitors] i would
>|> expect the government to say just before it starts repealing my "inalienable
>|> rights".  ...
>
>Don't look now Charles,  but they already have.  Most of the rights enumerated
>in the first ten ammendments to the Constitution have fallen to "compelling
>pulbic interest."  Your friendly Feds no longer stand behind them.  Too bad.

yeah, but that of course reinforces my point. i was not suggesting
this was not happening already. they're not *my* friendly feds!

--
charles
From: bolden@beta.math.unc.edu (Jeffrey Bolden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Views? :
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:57:34 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <1992Dec28.070221.9490@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.060837.3991@samba.oit.unc.edu> bolden@beta.math.unc.edu (Jeffrey Bolden) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.045547.4572@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec16.123301.14776@samba.oit.unc.edu> bolden@beta.math.unc.edu (Jeffrey Bolden) writes:
>>>>	Stop with silly tanker stuff.
>>>
>>>only if you tell me how, after my broker stops answering his phone, and
>>>after i decide i want to leave the country because of the riots, and
>>>after the US dollar devalues by 90%, i am supposed to take my savings
>>>out of the country *without* a tanker.
>>>
>>>--
>>>charles
>>
>>	You can't. 
>
>fine. then oil as backing currency is dead.
>
>>But there is no reason for the United States to persue
>>economic policies which benefit tratorious people who leave the country
>>during bad times.
>
>i can't believe you would hit me out of left field with such a foolish
>statement. that is the language of enslavement, the kind of thing i would
>expect the government to say just before it starts repealing my "inalienable
>rights". you are speaking like an altruist, expecting me to not only
>suffer the destruction of my country by the incompetent and the evil,
>but to go down with the ship, saluting proudly as the waters rise over
>my head. you should be ashamed of yourself.
>

	Not at all, I'm merely assuming that the govt. will act in its own
self interest.  Those people who have a long term commitment to the US are
better people to support with economic policy.  Can't the govt. act
selfishly Mr. Rand?

>and not only that -- your statement is, once again, totally irrelevant.
>the point about portability is just an example -- the concept is being
>able to get your hands on the commodity, whether to leave the country or not.
>
	I can't argue with chicken little and prove the sky isn't falling.
 If that kills my credibility so be it.

>your credibility is shrinking faster than the value of the dollar.
>
>--
>charles
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