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From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin's multiple personalities.
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:48:31 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I have also thought that Calvin might have a MPD.  So the original poster
is not alone.  If you look at the transmogafier stuff that could be
considered MP's too.

Scotty B
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Beetle Baily code
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:33:55 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <1992Nov4.161726.12100@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>Here it is:
>
>	USZ UP XPSL IBSEFS
>	BOE IBSEFS ZFU.
>	JG ZPV EPO'U EJF
>	ZPV'MM HFU BOE HFU.

Try to work harder
And harder yet.
If you don't die
You'll get and get.


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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin's multiple personalities.
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Nov12.202554.18727@news2.cis.umn.edu>, tabacman@descartes (Eduardo Tabacman) writes:
>I may be wrong, but it seems to me there is a very good posibility that 
>Calvin suffers from multiple personality disorder. I mean, look for example 
>at the current story line, where Calvin is getting all this mail, that 
>happens to originate from his house. One school of thought (the "orthodox" 
>one, let's call it) would explain this by saying that it is Calvin who is
>writing the letters, and then pretending Hobbes did, as a game. Another one
>(the "magical reality" one) would say that Hobbes really produced the 
>letters, that somehow the stuffed tiger is really alive. I don't find any of
>the two explanations satisfactory.

Maybe because you're being too analytical?  To my mind, you simply can't
approach Calvin and Hobbes with the coldly rational mind of an adult. The
strip is told from the point of view of a child, and for the most part,
has a child's view of logic and sensibility.

When you read the strip, don't read it as an adult who has to theorize,
pidgeon hole, and explain.  Read it as a child, who only knows exploring
and enjoyment.

-- 
You unlock this door with the key of imagination.  Beyond it is another
dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind.
You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas.
You've just crossed over into... the Twilight Zone.
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: sally forth's language
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:33:57 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <1992Nov12.040845.12402@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>This week in Sally Forth, she has been discussing how much she
>hates her boss.  One day, she spoke of him as anal retentive.  I
>thought that kind of usage was probably inappropriate for a
>family newspaper (tm).  I rarely read the overly political stuff
>in that strip, but that caught my eye.

"Anal-retentive" is a fairly common expression, meaning someone who
is *must* have things just *so*.  It's pickiness to an extraordinary
degree.  It's not meant to be vulgar.

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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: thwarting Watterson by reducing C&H?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:42:57 GMT

Most Sunday comics sections are printed by a second company, not by the 
newspaper.  Theoretically, the syndicate could send just the black screen of 
the art, although some details might be lost (light blue is used to shade 
white, for example).  I have seen Outland in B&W, so it's possible.

Torsten at Omaha
From: jah7931@tamsun.tamu.edu (James Anthony Hogard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Foxtrot
Keywords: Compilations alfred oouh
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:31:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Nov10.163145.27107
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Nov10.154119.15972@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> smw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (scott.wincklhofer) writes:

>  On an unrelated note, a few months back there was
> a discussion about a comic strip set in an office environment can anyone
> name it ?

'On the Fastrak'

>					Scott.


--jim
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From: thedens@alesi.cipl.uiowa.edu (Dan Thedens)
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:48:13 GMT
Organization: Cardiovascular Image Processing Lab, U of Iowa

In article <BxAxB1.91z@news.udel.edu> jsypeck@brahms.udel.edu 
(Jeffrey Chri Sypeck) writes:
>
>Actually, not to be nit-picky, but I'm pretty sure Hawkeye Pierce in
>M*A*S*H -always- gave his home town as Crab Apple Cove, Maine.
>

There's a very early episode or two where he refers to his home
as being in Vermont (but he doesn't give a town).

He also is an only child, but had his sister send him a sweater once.

Dan Thedens
thedens@fangio.cipl.uiowa.edu

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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Calvin's multiple personalities.
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:07:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.202554.18727@news2.cis.umn.edu>, tabacman@descartes.geom.umn.edu (Eduardo Tabacman) writes:
> I may be wrong, but it seems to me there is a very good posibility that 
> Calvin suffers from multiple personality disorder. I mean, look for example 
> at the current story line, where Calvin is getting all this mail, that 
> happens to originate from his house. One school of thought (the "orthodox" 
> one, let's call it) would explain this by saying that it is Calvin who is
> writing the letters, and then pretending Hobbes did, as a game. Another one
> (the "magical reality" one) would say that Hobbes really produced the 
> letters, that somehow the stuffed tiger is really alive. 
	[some deleted]
> So, I'm left only with the posibility that Calvin does not really know what
> he's doing, for at least part of the time. So, this last school of thought
> (the "truly correct one", for lack of a better name), would say that Calvin 
> has, at least, two personalities, one the one we all see, and another one, 
> represented by Hobbes, that "takes over" Calvin at times, and usually gets
> him in trouble. 

I disagree with all of your explanations, and here's why:  Please 
explain the Mutant Snow Goons sequence, where Calvin builds a snow goon
and brings him to life, and then runs away with him chasing;  Mom says,
"Why did you build a snowman on the front steps?"  And when his bike
sneaks upstairs to attack him, and Mom says, "Why did you bring your
bike upstairs?"  Are his personalities operating simultaneously?

Here's my explanation:  Reality is irrelevant.  This is a comic strip.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,rec.arts.comics.marketplace,cmu.misc.market
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:08:38 -0500 
From: "David M. Bartlett" <db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Doonesbury Books for Sale

The following Doonesbury paperback books are for sale.  They are
arranged in chronological order;  The $3.00 books are the oversized
paperpacks, the $2.00 books are standard sized paperbacks; both types
cover the best strips in a 6 month to 1 year period.  

$3.00    Still a Few Bugs in the System (1970: early Yale Strips)
$3.00    But This War Had Such Promise (1971:  Vietnam War winds down)
$3.00    Call Me When You Find America (1972: Nixon Re-election)
$2.00    Guilty, Guilty, Guilty! (1973:  Watergate)
$2.00    "What Do We Have For The Witnesses, Johnnie . . ."
$2.00    Dare To Be Great, Ms. Caucus
$2.00    Wouldn't A Gremlin Have Been More Sensible?
$3.00    Speaking of Inalienable Rights, Amy . . .  (1976: Bicentennial)
$3.00    You're Never Too Old For Nuts and Berries
$3.00    An Especially Tricky People  (Uncle Duke as Ambassador to China)
$3.00    As The Kid Goes for Broke (Joanie gets Rick Redfern)
$3.00    Stalking The Perfect Tan (Zonker before the Ozone problem)
$3.00    Any Grooming Hints for Your Fans, Rollie?
$3.00    But the Pension Fund Was Just Sitting There (Duke as Coach of Wash-
         ington Redskins)
$3.00    We're Not Out of the Woods, Yet
$3.00    A Tad Overweight, But Violet Eyes to Die For
$3.00    And That's My Final Offer!  (Uncle Duke held hostage in Iran)
$3.00    Ask for May, Settle for June
$3.00    Unfortunately, She Was Also Wired for Sound
$3.00    The Wreck of the Rusty Nail (Uncle Duke tour-boats to Falklands War)
$3.00    That's DOCTOR Sinatra, You Little Bimbo!
$3.00    Death of a Party Animal (Uncle Duke at Baby Doc Med School)
$3.00    Downtown Doonesbury  (Mike & Joan Jr. try to make it in the Big Apple)
$3.00    Calling Dr. Whoopee  (Condom franchising in the age of Aids)
$3.00    Talkin' 'Bout My G-G-G-Generation  (Ron Headrest!)
$3.00    We're Eating More Beets!
$3.00    Check Your Egos At The Door  (USA for Africa)

Send Email if interested in one, some or all.  Postage will be added for
orders outside of Pittsburgh, unless the order is $20.00 or higher, in
which case I'll pay for postage.

Dave Bartlett
From: julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Date: 7 Nov 1992 11:27:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:

>don't recall any others, though - that's one in 40 years for Schulz, and
>none for Watterson and some others. (Or has someone caught any that I've
>missed.)  Perhaps the good comic writers are simply more proud of their work,
>and so they make more of an effort to keep it consistent and edit their stuff

One of the best cartoonists, Bill Amend, not only stays consistent, he uses
this consistency to good effect.  Just as one example, Peter Fox has a 
friend Steve with an electric guitar, which he has borrowed in two widely
separated storylines, I believe.  Fox Trot in general uses recurring
characters and random high school students (the masher who took Paige to
the prom comes to mind) with hilarious results, even if some gags get
repeated (the dinner gags "I'm stuffed." "I'm stuffed." etc.) and the artwork
is rather planar. :)
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:15:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
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     I tend to notice inconsistencies in things, perhaps because of my
analytic nature - on the TV show M*A*S*H, for instance, the character that
Alan Alda played had his home city in different states on different occasions.
There were a few others there, and Star Trek is sometimes loaded with them.
     I'm intrigued by the fact that I see very few in the funnies - this is
ironic because the writers have to produce stuff every day, rather than
20 scripts a year.  Today was the first inconsistency I'd noticed in a
good while in a comic - in Hi & Lois, the twins were fighting over a toy,
and the mother made them sit in different corners. (The punch line was the
boy asking when they could come out fighting again, just like boxers.)  A
similar type of joke was made last spring with the twins fighting, and the
boy saying his cornier was better than hers, but the punishment was standing
in the corner.  You'd think he'd stick with one or the other, but you'd
think that about the TV shows, too.  Do they assume people won't notice?
     Has anyone else noticed any places in the funnies where home locations
were switched, or something else was goofed up?  It seems that, although
Snoopy has several siblings, he once said that he was an "only dog."  I
don't recall any others, though - that's one in 40 years for Schulz, and
none for Watterson and some others. (Or has someone caught any that I've
missed.)  Perhaps the good comic writers are simply more proud of their work,
and so they make more of an effort to keep it consistent and edit their stuff
more?  It's not a case of an actor fouling up a line in some spots, I
don't believe - usually I'd think they'd make people do the scene over.
Or have there been more mistakes than I've seen in the funnies?
-- 
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   "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
thyself*." Luke 10:27           : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:10:12 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Interzone Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
> [...]

Re Schulz:  I'm aware of at least one occassion where Schulz re-used
_exactly_ the same gag in a strip.  (I can't come up with it at the moment,
but there was a strip from sometime back in the mid-80s that was a
duplicate of one from years and years before.)  

(BYW, this is hardly a put down.  I challenge anyone to come up with 16k+
of _anything_ without repeating themselves at least once.)

The _really_ tricky problem is always the issue of time.  E.g. how can
Charlie Brown be 5+ yrs older than Sally and still obviously be <=8yrs old
himself?  How can Lucy have pulled the football away from CB once every
fall probably some 30 times now, and these still be prepubescent children
(ditto Linus in the Pumpkin Patch)?  How can four weeks worth of strips
occur in one afternoon of story time, but the holidays always occur at the
right times?

(Of course this sort of thing has always been a problem; just try working
out the chonologies of the classical mythologies.  To take one single
example, when Akhellius leaves for the Trojan war his son is a babe in
arms.  But when it becomes important for him to re-enter the story, the son
shows up at the end of the war (i.e. ~8yrs later) as a mighty hero and
leading his own army.)

I guess you just have to assume some sort of "dream time".  Or, rather, for
a writer hacking out a story, requirement of plot are more important than
precision in chronology.  ;)

On the other hand, this is part of what makes it so nice to have strips in
which time _does_ pass.  Particularly when it's done as nicely as, say, in
"For Better or Worse".

N
From: dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:47:02 GMT

julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang) writes:
| dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
| > 
| > don't recall any others, though - that's one in 40 years for Schulz, and
| > none for Watterson and some others...

| One of the best cartoonists, Bill Amend, not only stays consistent, he uses
| this consistency to good effect.  Just as one example, Peter Fox has a 
| friend Steve with an electric guitar, which he has borrowed in two widely
| separated storylines, I believe.  Fox Trot in general uses recurring
| characters and random high school students (the masher who took Paige to
| the prom comes to mind) with hilarious results, even if some gags get
| repeated (the dinner gags "I'm stuffed." "I'm stuffed." etc.) and the artwork
| is rather planar. :)

Upon rereading the Fox Trot books in order recently, I read a strip,
set in the middle of summer, where Roger stands in front of the TV and
announces where the family's going for summer vacation.  I stopped
reading -- I *knew* I'd just read that strip a few minutes earlier.
And I had -- almost.  It was a near-exact copy of the analogous strip
from the previous year, only with a different punch line.  The artwork
was drawn anew, not xeroxed, but the backgrounds were nearly
identical, even including the ball tossed at Roger to get him to move
out of the way of the TV.  And the dialogue was word-for-word until
the last panel (the second time, he fooled them all by saying they
were going to Hawaii instead of Uncle Whatisname's cabin in the woods).

Well, *I* was impressed.  It was all the funnier knowing that this was
an annual event in the Fox household.  And I'm sure that for each of
these links I notice, there are several I've missed, encouraging me to
read them again and again.

--
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From: kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)
Subject: Re: sally forth's language
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:34:27 GMT

In rec.arts.comics.strips you write:

>This week in Sally Forth, she has been discussing how much she
>hates her boss.  One day, she spoke of him as anal retentive.  I
>thought that kind of usage was probably inappropriate for a
>family newspaper (tm).  I rarely read the overly political stuff
>in that strip, but that caught my eye.

I think you might want to look up "anal retentive" as it does not mean
what you think it means.  It is not an insult (ie, it's not like calling
someone and asshole), it is a psychological term (ie, like calling someone
neurotic).

Your ignorance is what offended you.

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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: New Calvin + Hobbes Book
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:46:16 GMT

pearse@warren1b.its.rpi.edu  writes:
> 	News flash!
> 	There is a new Calvin+Hobbes Treasury out!
> 	First came the Essential Calvin+Hobbes...
> 	Then came the Authoritative Calvin+Hobbes...
> 	And now we have THE DEFINITIVE CALVIN+HOBBES.  Look for it at your
> 	favorite bookstore!
> 	If you already know this, then I suppose it's too late, for you now
> 	have another copy of this info in your brain cells(ain't redundancy
> 	grand?)

Don't forget to buy the hardcover editions.  They are still available, but 
probably would need to be ordered.

Torsten at Omaha 
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From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  Sally Forth's language
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:03:03 GMT



>Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
>From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
>Subject: sally forth's language
>Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:08:45 GMT
>
>This week in Sally Forth, she has been discussing how much she
>hates her boss.  One day, she spoke of him as anal retentive.  I
>thought that kind of usage was probably inappropriate for a
>family newspaper (tm).  I rarely read the overly political stuff
>in that strip, but that caught my eye.
>
>-Jon


Sally Forth -- "overly political"?   Aside from the election references in 
the last month (which were mostly directed at certain _types_ of politicians, 
not any specific one or party), I detect very little political content 
there other than what's come to be called sexual politics.  Is that what you
mean?  Speaking as a working woman myself, trust me, those references
read like nothing more than the facts of life.


As for Sally describing her co-worker (not her boss, I believe) as 
"anal-retentive", that term's been in common usage (and misusage) ever 
since Freud coined it 100 years ago.  And anyone young enough to need it 
explained is unlikely to understand the explanation anyway.


Crystal

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: Frank@Deep_13 (TV's Frank)
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:25:25 GMT

In article <1dbrrvINN8mu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>
>     I tend to notice inconsistencies in things, perhaps because of my
>analytic nature - on the TV show M*A*S*H, for instance, the character that
 ^^^^   well at least those four letters are accurate.
	Basically, who cares?  With minor errors like the method of punishment,
	does it really detract from the worth or enjoyability of the strip.

>Alan Alda played had his home city in different states on different occasions.
>There were a few others there, and Star Trek is sometimes loaded with them.
>     I'm intrigued by the fact that I see very few in the funnies - this is
>ironic because the writers have to produce stuff every day, rather than
>20 scripts a year.  Today was the first inconsistency I'd noticed in a
>good while in a comic - in Hi & Lois, the twins were fighting over a toy,
>and the mother made them sit in different corners. (The punch line was the
>boy asking when they could come out fighting again, just like boxers.)  A
>similar type of joke was made last spring with the twins fighting, and the
>boy saying his cornier was better than hers, but the punishment was standing
>in the corner.  You'd think he'd stick with one or the other, but you'd
>think that about the TV shows, too.  Do they assume people won't notice?
>     Has anyone else noticed any places in the funnies where home locations
>were switched, or something else was goofed up?  It seems that, although
>Snoopy has several siblings, he once said that he was an "only dog."  I
>don't recall any others, though - that's one in 40 years for Schulz, and
>none for Watterson and some others. (Or has someone caught any that I've
>missed.)  Perhaps the good comic writers are simply more proud of their work,
>and so they make more of an effort to keep it consistent and edit their stuff
>more?  It's not a case of an actor fouling up a line in some spots, I
>don't believe - usually I'd think they'd make people do the scene over.
>Or have there been more mistakes than I've seen in the funnies?
>-- 
>Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
>   "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
>thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
>thyself*." Luke 10:27           : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"

				   Did you steal this from the Family Circus?
				   It sounds like something Dolly would say.
>
>
From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: 11/12 Foxtrot: What's on the back of the magazine?
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:36:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxnsKy.1sJ
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:


>Can anyone make out the text that appeared on the back of Jason's magazine
>in the 3rd panel?  It doesn't show up in any of the other panels...
It says Dragula...obviously a Dragon Dracula :)


>--
>Jeff Tang
>jefft@athena.mit.edu
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