HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger)
Subject: Re: Recurring Shoulder Injury
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:21:04 GMT

In article <92316.203029DMS161@psuvm.psu.edu> <DMS161@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I have had a recurring shoulder problem for a few years now and it is hampering
>my ability to work-out.
....
>considerable pain.  I was finally able to do military presses without pain
>about 4 months later, except that I now have popping in both shoulders.

Unfortunately, I have no advice to offer, only empathy. I have a
"popping" in my right shoulder which I'm beginning to feel (now that I'm
getting more serious about working out) is limiting my improvements.
During one somewhat intense week, it actually got painful enough that it
hurt for a day or two when I would do simple things like lift a full
glass of water.

In terms of working out I notice it mostly when doing dumbell flyes.
When my arms get just above horizontal, I'll feel a
pop/crack/slip/whatever-it-is in my right shoulder (occasionally but
much less frequently in my left). It feels almost like I imagine
it would if the bone were slipping just a bit in the joint. It also
occurs, though less dramatically, when I bench, and it seems to be much
worse if I've done shoulder exercises (military, dumbell raises)
beforehand.

I haven't had a chance to see anyone about it yet, and I've no idea what
the problem might be (other than a weak joint). Perhaps it is the same
sort of thing I get in my knees, and which a lot of people do, and it
will just take a long patient routine to strengthen the surrounding muscles
while not overstressing the joint. I don't know yet. I've never played
football, so I know that that isn't the problem in my case.

Being a good misc.fitness reader, I immediately backed off and when it
became an actual pain instead of an interesting pop. I don't notice much
change in terms of my shoulder not popping anymore.  I unfortunately can't
think of many good stretches for the shoulders, but I do a few that seem to
loosen them as much as possible. Anderson's Stretching doesn't seem to
help much here.

I'd be interested in any comments. I'll probably go see someone too if the
situation is unchanged after a little over a week off (I had a cold too,
so it was a good double-excuse).

-Karl		kpfleger@cs.stanford.edu
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Vertical Leap
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:33:32 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	My vertical leap sucks. I need at LEAST six inches more to grab
rim and I want to dunk.
	Thanks. Steve, if Spud Webb can do it then..., Hare.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Ultimate Nutrition Primasorb            
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:56:00 +0000

 Has anyone heard of the above, probably going by a different name in the
USA? The claims are pretty amazing (aren't they always?).

 And I quote: "It is a known fact, that no one completely absorbs and
utilises everything they eat. The level of nutrients actually utilised varies
from person to person. Some absorb a great deal. Others not that much. If for
example you eat a protein meal which supplies 40 grammes of protein, your
system might only absorb 20 grammes. Maybe more. Possibly even less. The
greatest problem here is you don't know. You may suspect that you are not
absorbing much because you are not gaining much from your training. Eating
even more won't alter the situation. If you're not absorbing very well what
you eat now, it's not likely you'll absorb more by increasing your intake.
 .
 .
 .
When you take ULTIMATE NUTRITION PRIMASORB with a meal the stomach allows
almost all the nutrients you eat to be absorbed. In short ULTIMATE NUTRITION
PRIMASORB helps your body to absorb all the nutrients you eat. Proteins,
amino acids, carbohydrates, fats, as well as vitamins and minerals. Test
after test has shown this to be exactly what happens. The gains in lean
tissue in Animals is almost beyond belief. Tested on rats they not only grew
twice the size, they lived twice as long. An indication that they were
absorbing high levels of nutrients which previously wasn't possible. These
gains come from your diet. The difference now being that whereas previously
you may not have been absorbing a lot of what you ate, now you're absorbing
the lot.
 .
 .
 .
Here's the good news. Using ULTIMATE NUTRITION PRIMASORB in combination with
a high protein/high carb diet will result in a gain in muscular bodyweight of
between 10 and 15% of your existing weight. In the space of 2 to 3 months."

 This is a selection from a 28 page booklet, pounding out the claim that your
body doesn't absorb everything you eat but with this supplement it will. At
no time does it say how it does this, or mention specific ingredients.

 True or false?


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From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Do Fat Burners really really work?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:03:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

So what's the scoop with fat burners?  Is it true that taking these pills
during really intense workout add more power and indurance?  I also heard that
these pills eat muscle tissue as well fat, is this good?  And does it help
bring down cholestrol level in your veins and arteries.  Could someone
out there tell me more about these wonder pills.

Gee thanks
From: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs 'demystified'
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:42:20 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mad-dog.larc.nasa.gov

 10 hanging leg raises
	5  hanging knee raises
	(15 second rest)
	5  hanging leg raises
	5  hanging knee raises
	30 lying 6" leg raises
	(10 second rest)
	25 lying 6" leg raises
	35 bent-knee half sit-ups (i.e., 'ab cramps')
	20 crunches


What is the difference between bent knee half si-ups and crunches?


thanks


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: any sports medicine types out there?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:25:08 GMT

In <1992Nov6.014946.5373@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>"Stairmaster" brand.....frankly I hate it.  It is designed to make you
>take tiny steps and if you loosen it up to take big ones it is overly
>strenuous.  My school's gym however has "LifeCycle" brand  which allows
>me to have a wide range of motion at a steady pace which works well for
>me as long as I keep decent posture.

I suspect that my hip problem is related either to my attempt to start
jogging or my use of the "LifeCycle" stepper.  My health club has both
"LifeCycle" and "StairMaster" brands, and the people who use the latter
do take the smaller steps (if you've evern seen people of the LC ones,
you'd laugh--they're bobbing up and down so fast).  I suspect that the
range of motion in the LC is too big for me (I'm way short).

The other problem I see with the LC is that the pedals are not independent
the way they are on the SM. When you push on the left pedal, the right
pedal *must* come up correspondingly and vice versa, where the SM pedals
are independent (you can stand on them and they both go down).  I don't
know why that would make a difference, but I'll bet it does.

Anyways, the SM steppers are much more popular at our club.  But I had
started to use the LC types, because it is harder to "cheat."  But I've
decided to stop all stepping for a while to see if that will clear up my
problem.  I'm really in training for rowing, anyways, and I can't imagine
that working out on the rowing machine will aggravate the problem.  We'll
see. (Of course, today I'm wearing high heels--I really am an idiot 
sometimes.)

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Ultimate Nutrition Primasorb??????
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:47:58 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

I have always sworn by Ultimate Nutrition Products and use them myself, but I 
would encourage anyone who wants to use this Primasorb product to read the 
contents first.  I have little faith in powdered "panaceas".  I hope that this
is not an indication of Ultimate Nutrition turning into another scum bag
company like Strength Systems.

-Rob
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroids:  The Real Story
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:05:51 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1db0viINNn61@oak26.doc.ic.ac.uk> rll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Rafal Lukasz Lukawiecki) writes:
>
>Sorry, you say:
>
>In article <16481@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>|> I have posted it a couple of times.
>
>I have never got it.  Could you re-post it, please?
>
>Ta,
>Raf

I will be reposting a revised copy on Monday.

							-Adam

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From: lmilbert@encore.com (Larry Milbert)
Subject: Re: Supplements By Mail?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:29:58 GMT

Tom Hinson <TDHINSON@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>Intrigued by the chromium picolinate thread on this newsgroup, I
>called the nearest General Nutrition store to inquire.  She said
>GN sold cp (100 capsules, 200 mcg) for about $9, but that GN
>couldn't mail it to me.
> 
>Two questions:  Is that a good (fair) price?  Do mail-order
>supplements suppliers exist (and if so, can you suggest one or
>two)?
> 
>Thanks for the help.
> 
>-- Tom


I have read many good things about Chromium Picolinate.  It allows you
to retain LBM (Lean Body Mass) while dieting and takes away your craving
for sugar.  I have a article from a health Magazine that I will be happy
to FAX to you if you are interested.

Oh, I also have a Mail-order catalog that is great!  There prices and 
phone people are very cheap and helpful.  They sell ALL of the major
brands.  I am looking in the catalog and a 100 capsule 200 mcg. from 
Twinlab only costs $3.98!  The catalog is about  16 pages I will also 
fax it if you are interested.

Company Name: Nutrition Warehouse
Phone Number: 1-800-362-3306
     Address: 12011 S. Aero Drive, Unit B
              Plainfield, Il 60544
Credit Cards: MasterCard and VISA

Larry Milbert
Encore Computers
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Stairstepper question: knees
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:34:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.220040.110@oakhill.sps.mot.com> robins@ruby.sps.mot.com (Robin Sowton) writes:
>I've recently added stair-stepping to my regular workout, and after using
>the stair-stepper for just two weeks, I've started to feel a "pulling" 
>where the knees bend. It's the same feeling you get if you're sitting
>with your knees bent for a long period of time. My knees have never bothered
>me before in any other activities (bicycling, martial arts, yoga, running...)
>
>Is this "pulling" in the knees expected when you first start out?
>Has anyone had this experience with stair-steppers? Would knee supports
>help or is this just evading a possible problem?
>
>I would appreciate any comments...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Robin
>
>
>

Robin-

	Im having a similar experience now with an aerodyne rowing machine.
I shift off doing aerobics with a stepper, rower, and stationary bike.  I
about where the hip muscle attaches behind it.  I started  doing knee extensions, work on the biceps femoris, and hip muscle strength work.  I aslo do an extra
bike workout in place of the rower.  It still hurts, but the joint itself feels
more stable.  Try making sure you stand up straight on the stepper AND that
you are using both sides of your body symetrically.  Beyond that Im in the
same boat as you and would appreciate tips/guesses myself.

Steve

get pains in my right knee just a
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: awalters@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Walters)
Subject: Re: Advice Wanted on Home Workout Equipment
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:23:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.191659.18306@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>What brand(s) are noted to be effective for home workout equipment?
>I've heard of Soloflex, but I know there are lots of them out there.
...
>Jon Noring

I have no response to the rest of the discussion, but I do have an opinion to
offer.  I got the Soloflex three months ago.  I wasn't looking for free 
weights, so it was a choice between the Soloflex and the Nordicflex.  The
Soloflex has a 5 year warranty, and its been around for a long time (that
can be looked at as a good thing or a bad thing).  The Nordicflex has a 1 or 2
year warranty and is new.  The difference is the rubber bands for the Soloflex
where resistance varies as it stretches, and a braking system for the
Nordicflex where resistance varies with pushing/pulling speed.  I decided on
the Soloflex because of the warranty and because unless you buy the model
of the Nordicflex that is about $300 more than the base Soloflex, you really
have no way of knowing how mush weight you are doing.  The more expensive
model has a resistance measuring computer.

I've liked the Soloflex.  It's easy to set up for different excercises, it does
just about all the exercises I would want to do, and it's black.

					Anj


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin")
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs 'demystified'
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:57:00 CST
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What the heck is a "hanging leg/knee raise"?  Hopefully this doesn't involve hanging upside down, does it?
From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: ARMY BASIC TRAINING
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:16:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov10.191616.15334
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: srmcinto@c00554-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu




Hi!  I am thinking of joining the Army and I have a few questions. 
I would like opinions on what to expect in Basic training.  I would
also like some suggestions on how to get into shape before reporting
to Basic.  

A friend recommended that I begin doing pushups, situps, and plently
of ruck marches. While I do not doubt that this information is true I
do not know how many or how far.  How fast should the ruck march be,
with how much weight, and how far?  I would appreciate any workout
suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

Sean


PS:  Should the workout be done while wearing heavy combat boots?


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Protien consumption
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:27:46 GMT

From article <1992Nov5.194950.544@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, by freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier):
> In article <1992Nov5.173403.16568@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller) writes:
> |>    I would like some input as to the amount
  ...omitted
> meals after exercise and eat LOTS of complex carbohydrates throughout the day.
> Use your urine as an indicator.  If it's clear or light yellow much of the time, 
> then you are getting enough complex carbohydrates.  If it's usually dark yellow, you 
> are either eating too much protien or not getting enough carbs.
> 
> Rod
> freier@mail.physics.utah.edu

  Just wanted to add that urine color is also directly affected by your
  hydration level. In fact, I would not be surprised if this was the 
  more significant factor. If your urine is dark yellow, or low volume
  or both, rehydrate!
-Max
From: stromb@skippy.berkeley.edu (Eric Stromberg)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Protien consumption
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:48:07 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Mathematics Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: skippy.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov6.182746.16556@megatek.com> max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) writes:
>> Use your urine as an indicator.  If it's clear or light yellow much of the time, 
>> then you are getting enough complex carbohydrates.  If it's usually dark yellow, you 
>> are either eating too much protien or not getting enough carbs.

>> Rod
>> freier@mail.physics.utah.edu

>  Just wanted to add that urine color is also directly affected by your
>  hydration level. In fact, I would not be surprised if this was the 
>  more significant factor. If your urine is dark yellow, or low volume
>  or both, rehydrate!
>-Max


Uh...I guess ya'll don't take B-vitamins too often.

So as not to get those who do all worked up about too much protien or
not enough water, I might add that moderate to high doses of B-vits.
do often cause dark yellow urine.

							--Eric
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: ACL repair questions
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:40:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

I'm considering having my anterior cruciate ligament repaired in the
next month or so. Could any surviving ACL repair veterans answer a
couple questions?
Here's a little background first.
Original injury happened 3 years ago playing soccer. Had a scope done
the following week to clean up the ACL "fragments" and do a little
cartilege repair. Over this past couple years, I have avoided sports
involving "cutting, jumping, twisting", and have managed to avoid
reinjury. I feel the knee is strong and relatively tight, so although
there isn't an urgent requirement to be whole, I'd like to be able to
kick the ball around again - especially now that my kids are getting
into sports. I'm 33 years old, cycle and run regularly.

1.  Can this be done outpatient? (it'll save me 20%!)
2.  Can this be done under local anestesia?
3.  Can you drive a standard post-op? (it's the left knee)
4.  Does using a "donor" tendon improve recovery time?
5.  Any other pros-cons using donor vs. your own tissue?
    (I have minor chronic patella tendonitis, and the doc is leaning
     towards using a donor tendon because of that)

Thanks for any info and/or accounts of your own experiences.


John




Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jjlawren@garfield.uwaterloo.ca (Jay Lawrence - DCS, MC 2029, x5327)
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs
Reply-To: jjlawren@garfield.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: Department of Computing Services, University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:07:36 GMT


This may seem like a dumb question, but here goes...If the Legendary Abs routine
is SOOO successful and effective then why isn't it common knowledge?  If you
purchase the document are you supposed to be sworn to secrecy?  :-)

Anyway, people that have used the program - how is it different that my normal
routine of crunches of various flavours?  I am considering sending for this
book, but I am unsure how it is different from what I do right now...

The other thing is, this company advertises its Rotator Cuff Solution.  Anybody
done this one?  Mine are giving me a bit of grief and I want to stop it asap.

thanks
Jay
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ankleand@mtl.mit.edu (Andrew Karanicolas)
Subject: Workout Efficiency
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:11:52 GMT

I've got some questions about workout efficiency when comparing aerobic
and anaerobic workouts.  It's my impression that it is important to
push to "failure" in weight lifting to achieve an efficient workout.
Efficiency is getting the most improvement in fitness in the specific
or collective areas that the workout is supposed to target.  Is this correct?  

Consider long distance running or cycling.  Would the same approach be
correct?  It seems that as one approaches the end of a hard aerobic
workout the efficiency goes down to the point where the added gain for
the added pain is low. .hence d(gain)/d(pain) << 1  :)  When is the
right time to stop a highly aerobic effort?  While on the topic, when
the stored glycogen is used up in an aerobic effort, what happens
next?  Is that the point when a 'brick wall' is reached?

Would someone informed on these issues send me e-mail?  I'll send or post
replies if people are interested.

Thanks.

-- 
Andrew Karanicolas
MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratory
ankleand@mtl.mit.edu
From: jat@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:26:33 GMT
Subject: Incline benching: what does it work?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

I've recently started incline benching again after not having done so
for a very long time.  Incline is supposed to get upper chest and parts
of the shoulders.  However, the day after I incline, one of my most sore
areas is my lats (even though I don't work my lats on "push day").  It
is definitely inclining which is making my lats sore -- I've
experimented with my exercises until I could prove this.

My question:  is this normally supposed to happen?  Am I doing something
wrong (arching my back or something)?  I'm worried because I've never
heard that inclines will work the lats.


Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: 'Roids and Vanadyl Sulfate (was Re: Inosiene vs Vanadyl Sulfate)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:17:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Nov4.153314.493@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

>You also might want to contact Adam Silver at silver.umd5.umd.edu  He has been
>taking this supplement for some time and swears by it.  He is a little more
>experienced with than I am.
>
>-Rob

Gee, thanks, Rob.  I'm going to be famous again on the net.  :-)  I know I
haven't posted anything in a while, but I've been very busy with school and
work and working out.

Anyway, I'm going to post the steroid article on Monday.  It is basically the
same thing as I have posted in the past, but it has some important changes.

							-Adam

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From: pavelg@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Pavel Gazur)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:06:10 GMT
Subject: Re: any sports medicine types out there?
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)