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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 92 15:20:07 CST
From:         Jeff <C31002RY@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      WANTED: Elton John tix for St.Louis show
Newsgroups:   alt.rock-n-roll

Hi, I just went to my local ticket outlet and discoved that the Elton John
show has already sold out... needless to say I was very dissappointed...
if anyone out there has tickets that they would be willing to sell for a
reasonable price (either reserved or lawn, I don't care which) I would be very
interested in buying a pair from you!
email me at JDHARTGE@PEAR.WUSTL.EDU or post a reply or, if you want, you can
call me at 1-314-935-1528 however, I'll only be at this number untill
Friday July 31st after that I can be reached at 1-616-637-9279.
probably the best way to reach me is the above email address...
Thanx in advance!
-JEFF
From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Thomas Dolby
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:36:16 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy

As promised, here's the info on the Thomas Dolby album.  See?  Someone DOES
summarize to the net...  :=)

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Thomas Dolby	Astronauts And Heretics		Virgin CDV 2701

1.	I Love You Goodbye		5:57
2.	Cruel				3:07
3.	Silk Pyjamas			3:36
4.	I Live In A Suitcase		5:27
5.	Eastern Bloc			5:10
6.	Close But No Cigar		4:26
7.	That's Why People Fall In Love	5:27
8.	Neon Sister			4:52
9.	Beauty Of A Dream		5:05

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
			   "Click click drone."

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Thanks to Mr. Crawford for his info.  Now if I could just convince one of the
local shops to actually GET it for me.  :=)

While I was browsing the local shops today, though, trying to get them to buy
it for me, I found three singles featuring tracks from the new album:

Close But No Cigar - Limited Edition Thomas Dolby Collection, Part One of a
                     Two CD Set

1.     Close But No Cigar (4:05)
2.     Beauty of a Dream (Piano and Vocal) (5:05)
3.     Close But No Cigar (Version) (4:21)
4.     Neon Sisters (4:52)

Its in a double digi-pack; the second slot has a paper insert which reads
"Thomas Dolby Close But No Cigar - Part two to follow completes the Thomas
 Dolby Collection.  Includes the hit singles: Hyperactive, She Blinded Me With
 Science, and I Scare Myself."

I Love You Goodbye - Limited Edition Thomas Dolby Collection Volume 2
                     Part One of a Two CD Set

1.     I Love You Goodbye (Edited Version)
2.     Eastern Bloc (The Sequel - Edited Version)
3.     I Love You Goodbye (Version)
4.     Eastern Bloc (Version)

The CD has a close-up of part of the artwork on it - pretty nice.
No times are listed.  It, too, came in a double-digi-pack with a paper insert
in the second slot for a CD.  However, I managed to find this second CD...

I Love You Goodbye - Part Two Completes the Thomas Dolby Collection Volume 2

1.     I Love You Goodbye
2.     Windpower
3.     Europa and the Pirate Twins
4.     Eastern Bloc (Sequel to Europa and the Pirate Twins 1981)

This CD was packaged in one of the mega-thin boxes, presumably to encourage
you to stick it in with the first CD in its double-digi-pack (which I did).
Ghod I hate digi-packs.

Now, of course, I need to find the second CD of the first set.  Grin.

--
phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, (713) 943-2728
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: patchman@encore.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: nirvana lyrics [from lithium cd single]
Keywords: need em!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:16:20 GMT

In article <Bs0Jrr.2xu@acsu.buffalo.edu> harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden) writes:
>i noticed that the cd single for "lithium" has arrived in several
>major record stores, and as rumored, has the lyrics for all the 
>tracks on _nevermind_.  could someone who bought it please transcribe
>the lyrics and post them?  

I'd like to see them too! Trying to get them all when eMpTyV shows that 
words across the bottom of the screen just doesn't do it!

Thanx,
Pete

P.S. Credit should be given to whoever came up with eMpTyV - it certainly
wasn't me - but I don't know who it was!

*************************************************************************
*  "I am the Lizard King,          *   Peter Harper                     *
*   I can do anything!             *   Worcester Polytechnic Institute  *
*        - James Douglas Morrison  *   Worcester, MA 01609              *
*                 Poet             *      patchman@wpi.wpi.edu          *
*              (1943-1971)         *      patchman@encore.wpi.edu       * 
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Favorite Genesis Songs (Was Re: the worst genesis song)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:33:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey, HEY!  Enough of this "worst" stuff!  How about your favorite Genesis
songs?  Mine are:

	-- Got a Job To Do
	-- Home By The Sea
	-- All of the first side of Abacab (esp. Me And Sarah Jane)
--
+-------------------+-----------------------+--------------------------------+
| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
| Drummers do it... | Inc.  Waltham, MA USA | in my book of memories.        |
|    ... In rhythm! |     (617) 890-2888    |              -- Guns N' Roses  |
+-------------------+-----------------------+--------------------------------+
|           ...! [ princeton mit-eddie bu sunne ] !polygen!jerry             |
|                            jerry@polygen.com                               |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: Baird_David@Tandem.com (David G. Baird)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Organization: Tandem Computers (Cupertino, CA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:21:48 GMT

In article <schnitzi.711813957@eola.cs.ucf.edu>, schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark
Schnitzius) wrote:
> 
> The obvious follow up to the tired old self-titled
> songs thread is, what are some songs that mention
> other groups?  Especially, what are some songs that
> mention other groups in a negative light?
> 

Here's my list so far :

direct band/individual names -
 
Simon & Garfunkel "A Simply Desultory Philipic" (Rolling Stones and
Beatles)
Beatles "Polythene Pam" (Dylan)
Crowded House "She Goes On" (Frank Sinatra)
Bad Company "Shooting Star" (Beatles)
Mamas & Papas "Creeque Alley" (McGuinn (of the Byrds) & McGuire (who's
this?))

indirect references -

John Fogerty "I Saw It On TV" on Centerfield ("4 guys from England")
The Byrds "So You Want To Be A Rock & Roll Star" (about the Monkees)


I haven't had time yet to scan my records. Hope to have more ...

DGB }
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.hard,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.progressive
From: meep@wpi.WPI.EDU (A Son of the Silent Age)
Subject: Re: nirvana lyrics [from lithium cd single]
Keywords: need em!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:04:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.121741.17199@spider.co.uk> andrewc@spider.co.uk (Andrew Cannon) writes:
>In article <Bs0Jrr.2xu@acsu.buffalo.edu> harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden) writes:
>>i noticed that the cd single for "lithium" has arrived in several
>>major record stores, and as rumored, has the lyrics for all the 
>>tracks on _nevermind_.  could someone who bought it please transcribe
>>the lyrics and post them?  i'm sure some of us here would like to see
>>what the REAL words are.  8)
>
>OK, once again for those of the hard of hearing......
>

[lots of still-incorrect lyrics deleted]

No need to get snide about it; he specifically asked for the lyrics from
the single, not the lyrics according to Andrew (which, by the way, are very
very wrong in quite a few places . . . and yes, before you flame, I have
read the real lyrics from the single insert).

db
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		".bmob mota ruoy htiw flesruoy kcuf dna oG"
			*The Dukes Of Stratosphear*
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.hard,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: the worst genesis song
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:07:46 GMT

In article <4135@news.duke.edu> cto@acpub.duke.edu (Ralph Geiger) writes:
] 
] A question for all Genesis fans:
] 
] What is their worst song?

Though Abacab is one of my favorite albums, Who Dunnit gets my worst vote.
It's innovative, but not in an interesting way, IMHO.

  _____    "But you can't really call that a dance. It's a walk." - Tony Banks
 /  ___\  ___  __ ___   ___      _____________   gene@cs.wustl.edu
 | / __  / _ \ | /   \ / _ \     |  physics  |   gene@lechter.wustl.edu
 | \_\ \ | __/ |  /\ | | __/     |racquetball|   gev1@cec2.wustl.edu
 \_____/ \___/ |_| |_| \___/     |volleyball |   gene@camps.phy.vanderbilt.edu
 Gene Van Buren, Kzoo Crew, Washington Univ. in St. Louis - #1 in Volleyball
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Sunday, 26 Jul 1992 17:11:01 EDT
From: <32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul26.044326.20783@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu (Joseph Geniec) says:
>
>>Def Leppard also reference ALOT of artists in "Rocket"
>>
>>Another Elvis reference (and the best one I think):
>>
>>       "Elvis Is Dead" by Living Color
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
>>Rob Gabbard                                Internet: rob.gabbard@sdrc.com
>>Technical Development Engineer                  UUCP: uunet!sdrc!rob.gabbard
>>Structural Dynamics Research Corporation
>
>        I was just wondering-- just HOW did you manage to become a Technical
>Development Engineer? I'm sure over 1,000 teachers, professors etc. by now
>have attempted to beat into your skull that "ALOT" is two f___ing words!
>A ---- LOT, dammit! Say it! A ----- LOT! Tell your friends; I'm sure they
>will be impressed that you finally learned this. Look in any damn dictionary-
>I promise that you will not find "ALOT" in it!
>
>                                        Joe Geniec
>                                        jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu

Who fuckin' cares how someone spells...this is alt.r-r not alt.spelling.

                         Doc Holiday
>
>
>
>
>
>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: ehrhart@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeffrey Ehrhart)
Subject: Re: Censorship in the 90's
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:59:20 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <l7i1eaINNgd7@nunki.usc.edu>, rone@nunki.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:
|> Too bad Ice-T pulled out.  I'm not a big rap fan, but music is sacred, regard-
|> less of the genre and material.  Period.

   I agree, he shouldn't have pulled out.  My biggest question is why so much
uproar over a song when almost every action movie released portrays most of
the cops as clowns who get shot and killed every time.  Remember the first
_Robocop_ movie?  The gang of bad guys took great delight in torturing the
cop by shooting random parts of the cop's body.  If they want to go after
something, go after something that everyone knows about not some song
on a album that most people hardly knew about before the controversy.  

Ah, well...

-- 
Jeff Ehrhart

"It's better to burn out than fade away..."
---Def Leppard   From "Rock of Ages"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.hard
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: NEW Faith No More "Angel Dust"
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:16:28 GMT

>I havent heard other Faith No More albums. I know there is at least an album
>called 'Introduce Yourself'. I'd like to know if it is very different from 
>these two. Any opinions?
>
>
>-- Anssi.Piirainen@hut.fi

INTRODUCE YOURSELF is very differnt - more thrash and much heavier, in my 
opinion. For that matter, WE CARE A LOT is even more different from anything
else they put out - more alternative / progressive / whateverfuckyoucallit
style. WE CARE is my favorite FNM album, but I still like the others a lot.
They had a different singer on the first two, Chuck Mosley, who I hear after
being sacked went to sing as HR's replacement in Bad Brains, but that 
obviously didn't last very long at all. Haven't heard much otherwise. Mosley's
lyrics were much better than the stuff in the Patton albums, in my opinion.

philip

"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
From: gpgabb@sdrc.sdrc.com (Rob Gabbard)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: ALOT of Songs that mention other groups
Keywords: ALOT
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: rob.gabbard@sdrc.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: SDRC, Graphics & User Interface Group


In article <1992Jul26.044326.20783@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu (Joseph Geniec) writes:
|>
|>>Def Leppard also reference ALOT of artists in "Rocket"
|>>------------------------------
|>>Rob Gabbard 				    
|>>Technical Development Engineer
|>
|> 	I was just wondering-- just HOW did you manage to become a
|>Technical
|>Development Engineer?

Well, I went to ALOT of classes in college and then went to graduation
with ALOT of other students and then I got a job in a big building where
ALOT of other people work.

|                     I'm sure over 1,000 teachers, professors etc. by now
|>have attempted to beat into your skull that "ALOT" is two f___ing words!

Yes, ALOT of them tried to.

|>A ---- LOT, dammit! Say it! A ----- LOT! Tell your friends; I'm sure they
|>will be impressed that you finally learned this. Look in any damn dictionary-
|>I promise that you will not find "ALOT" in it!
|>
|>					Joe Geniec

I looked through ALOT of dictionaries and you're right Joe, I couldn't
find it. Oh God - I think need therapy - I JUST CAN'T SAY IT.

Me thinks Joe drinks ALOT of Coffee.  And we've already wasted ALOT of
bandwidth on this stupid f____ing subject.

--------------------------------------
Rob Gabbard 				
Rocket Scientist and Nuclear Physicist
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.tasteless
From: mph@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael P Harrington)
Subject: Re: Help! Name My Rock Band!! (Humor)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.162215.27348@convex.com> bshirley@convex.com (Brad Shirley) writes:
>    How about :  Ted Bundy & the Electric Company
>
>-- 
>Brad Shirley
>Convex Computer Corp.
>bshirley@convex.com


-- 
Michael P. Harrington
mph@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:14225 rec.music.misc:20608
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: RELEASE: Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 92-28
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:51:23 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <chjmz1=@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
|johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|
|>> - Entries that are new or different with respect to the latest posting
|>> (92-27) of the full list have a "*" between their Date and Artist/Group
|>> columns. 
|>
|> Any chance of changing this character?  It's a masking character and has
|> to be "escaped" when searching for new entries. 
|
|Oh yes, the pain and horror of having to type "\*" instead of just "*"...

The purpose of the * is to make it easier to identify new lines.  Why not
make it as easy as possible to identify them?  You and I know about using 
a backslash.  That doesn't mean everyone does.  Excuse me for making a
suggestion.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Extreme and Cheap Trick
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:17:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN

In article <1992Jul29.062926.21896@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, joeh@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joseph L. Hill) writes:
> 
> How do people feel about Extreme & Cheap Trick for 17 bucks? think It
> would sell 3500+? 
> 

Are you kidding? Extreme is hot! I hope you have the order mixed up in your
message -- Cheap Trick should be opening for Extreme.

Nuno Bettencourt is one of the best guitarists around today.

-- Alex --
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:32:39 GMT

There was a song, may late 60's that mentioned 'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts
Club Band' a number of times, it might have been in the chorus. Sorry I
can't remember the name of the song or the guy singing it, but I do
remember that the back-announcement when I heard it said it was the only
song ever to have mentioned SPLHCB.

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeff Neau)
Subject: Month Albums....
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:14:17 CDT

How many bands have had albums with a month as a title (and just the month)?

I can think of three offhand:

   Eric Clapton: August
   U2: October
   Michael Penn: March (although this could be the verb march)
   
-- 
Jeffrey Neau - jeffy@redwood.cray.com
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,alt.music.rush
From: sussman@linus.mitre.org (Stephen H. Sussman)
Subject: Re: the worst genesis song
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:57:17 GMT

I second that.  Whodunnit is by far the worst song ...
... although practically anything off of "From Genesis To Revelation"
comes pretty close.

-Steve

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jiml@eldorado.demon.co.uk (James V Lambe)
Subject: Neil Young
Distribution: world
Organization: Private Internet Node
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:18:28 +0000


In article <Bruutq.CL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:

> was28667@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (palamino) writes:
> 
> >pavrabli@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL ANDREW VRABLIC) writes:
> 
> 
> >>Neil Young, does anyone know anything about his upcoming album?  is it true?
> >>when? where?
> >>thnx in advance
> >>-paul(pavrabli@eos.ncsu.edu)
> 
> 
> >New album?  Hmm - does this mean he's touring sometime soon?
> 
> 	I believe the album is already out or will be very soon.  It's an
> accoustic(y) album meant as a counter-point to his last very rockin' album
> (I'm currently blanking on the bloody title).  The new album is meant to be
> sort of a follow up to _Harvest_ and is done with the same band (not Crazy
> Horse). 

Isn't it supposed to be called Harvest Moon or something similar. Perhaps that
was only a working title because I first heard about this album at the end of
'91. There was also supposed to be a Decade II album, which was why
(supposedly) there wasn't more NY stuff on the CSN CD boxed set.


--

  James V. Lambe: Tottenham, London, ENGLAND
  Internet: jiml@eldorado.demon.co.uk
  Telecom Gold: 10085:TJT674 ( 10085.TJT674@gateway-to-gold.interspan.gb )
  Compuserve: 72037,152 ( 72036.152@compuserve.com )
  Dog + Bone: (+44 81) 808 0625
From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Marillion
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:03:37 GMT


Well, having encountered all of Marillion's stuff simultaneously,
as well as Fish's stuff, I think they BOTH got better when they split.
(I pirated almost all the albums off a friend, and plan to get the
best ones on CD when I've got some more money (i.e. for a CD player!).

Hogarth's work, I reckon, is much more literary than Fish's Marillion
work.  Especially in his "This Town/The Rake's Progress/100 Nights"
suite.  Very moving.  I'm also very fond of "The Uninvited Guest",
"After Me", and "Holloway Girl".

Have any of you seen Hogarth on video - he's positively Shakespearian
in the "Uninvited" video!  The guy's a true star I'm afraid.

I like Fish solo too, though his work with Marillion had a distasteful
edge to it at times, verging on teenage angst-ridden poetry ...

Having said all this, even I'm not too keen on the most recent Marillion
single releases, such as covers like "Sympathy" ...

Lawrence
From: bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (bassler ryan p)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Thomas Dolby
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:26:11 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Ryan bassler (bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

Did you read the cover story of Thomas in Keyboard magazine
a few months back?  According to the article, this album should be
incredible.  In fact, he financed the project himself and made most of
the album with a DAT machine and a Mac.  But, of course, no U.S. label 
wants to pick it up ;  I guess the sales of "aliens" and "flat earth"
scared them off.   Ah, that wonderous corporate monster we call the 
music business.  Delighful.
Also, the album is out in the U.K. now already, isn't it?
From: sumanth@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Black Sabbath in concert
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:52:12 GMT
Reply-To: sumanth
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Could someone out there let me know on what to expect from Sabbath in this
tour. Are they doing any of the old Rainbow & Dio stuff. A setlist 
would be great. I'm catching them at Tampa, Fl this Sat.  
 Thanks

                  --dan
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 09:19:37 CST
From: <DGRAHAM@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Where to find Meatloaf

Last October or so I started asking about available Meatloaf albums and such.
So far by working through a couple of different record stores around here
(Chicago) I have only been able to dig up two, Hits out of Hell and Dead Ringer
Since I already have Bat Out of Hell, I believe I need to get Bad Attitude and
Midnight at the Lost and Found since his new one hasn't come out yet. None of
the people that I have been working with can find these albums though. Is there
anybody out there who knows any distributors or record stores that still have
these CDs so I can get them ordered. If so can you please mail me their address
and or fax number it would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance to any help

        Dave
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.rush,alt.music.progressive