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From: dnewell@boole.cse.nd.edu (devin newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:33:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.223303.20566
Reply-To: dnewell@boole.cse.nd.edu (devin newell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Nov12.040730.4795@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> In article <BxKqB1.78J@Novell.COM> dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
|> >
|> >And thank goodness for that!! Why doesn't the NHL do that--play  
|> >sudden-death OT and then a shootout (or 2 or 3 or...) if still tied after  
|> >OT? Did they ever do something like that (I can't remember)? It makes it  
|> >*much* more exciting (especially the shootouts!), and you (not to mention  
|> >the players!) don't feel gipped by a tie score.
|> 
|> Sarcasm On!
|> 
|> Why don't they have a home run derby after 9 innings of baseball if
|> the score is tied...it would be *much* more exciting.
|> 
|> Why don't they have a free throw contest if after regulation an
|> NBA basketball game is tied.
|> 
|> Gerald
I was at Kalamazoo, MI and watched a game betweem the K-Z00 Wings (Minn) and
the Indianapolis Ice (Chi) it was a great game with lots of intensity as the lead changed many times and finally ended in a tie.  The overtime was also very
exciting with Indy fighting off a two minute penalty, but it also ended in a tie, and I got to watch my first shoot-out of professional hockey.

My assessment - it sucked - too slow, too boring and it certainly was not hockey.
A shoot-out does not compare to the spontaneous excitement of a breakaway during
a game.  I was more satisfied with watching a hockey game end it a tie that watching this post-game sideshow. 


If they want to end a tie, why don't they pull out some of CBC's SHOWDOWN equipment from the 70's - 80's and let a couple players shoot at targets or
do some timed skating passing drills.

I want hockey not some silly side shows
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Subject: MacInnis suffers injury
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:25:59 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

The Calgary Flames' already injury-riddled defence took another major blow
last night during their 4-3 come from behind victory over the Hartford Whalers.

All-star defenceman Al MacInnis caught his skate in a rut and fell heavily into
the boards. He was taken from the ice on a stretcher and taken to hospital. The
initial diagnosis was a broken left hip, but it was later revealed to be "only"
a dislocation. Doctors popped the hip back in without surgery. It is not known
how long MacInnis will be out.

Flames goaltender Mike Vernon after the game blamed poor ice conditions for 
MacInnis's injury. He said that the whole league should have to take a lesson
in how to make quality ice from the people at Northlands Coliseum in Edmonton.

MacInnis joins Flames defensive regulars Trent Yawney (broken clavicle), Michel
Petit (seperated shoulder), and Chris Dahlquist (bruised ribs) on the
sidelines. In addition, Frank Musil is playing despite a sore back, and Gary
Suter may soon need family leave should his grandfather, who recently 
suffered a stroke, pass away. This leaves the Flames with a defensive core of
largely unknowns and second-stringers.

								Alan
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Kevin Stevens' Status????
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:55:50 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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Can someone please fill me in on the severity of Stevens' knee strain?  Is he
expected to miss any of the weekend games?  Any info would be greatly
appreciated.

From someone whose hockey pool chances die a miserable death with Stevens ...

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From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:27:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.045158.13588@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>Please note:  Ed Belfour is Canadian

Really??? I just assumed that the only reason anyone would willfully
reside in Saginaw, Michigan would be because he was born there. But now
that you mention it, I do vaguely recall that he was spending last
seasons holdout there because his wife's family lives there.

No biggie I guess, since the way he's playing these days he's no threat
to make anybody's "Dream Team". A year ago, yes, but not now. Dunno
what's happened to him on the ice, but he's not looking like any Vezina
winner these days, that's for sure.

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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:58:35 GMT

In article WHO CARES, Nelson Lu writes:
>In article WHO CARES, I write:
>
>>SOVIET:
>^^^^^^^
>>
>>Kamensky    Mogilny        Bure
>>     ????           ???
>>           ???
>
>Ya know, the Soviet Union is no longer Soviet nor is it an union any longer.
>:-)

I realize that, but even the Soviet sports announcers have decided to
continue saying that word to describe people from that general area.
They say it's ridiculous to say anything else.
I guess this will change by the next Olympics (or Canada Cup).

>I would probably put, to fill in the blanks at defensemen, Gusarov and
>Tatarinov?  But in any case, there might be some problems anyway; the CIS
>will not compete as a single team any more the next Olympics; the various
>republics will have their own teams, and I hope, if all NHLers are allowed to
>play for their country, that Arturs Irbe will shine for Latvia...
>=========================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

And I guess if Quebec separates, Mario Lemieux will have to be replaced
at centre (not to mention Bourque on defence and Roy in nets).


--Dave

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:07:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.221334.27062@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.211322.15446@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>People who forget history are doomed to repeat it...the lesson of
>>1972, and of those two mid-season Allstar fiascoes, and the intense
>>preparations Canada took for the last three Canada Cups under Sather
>>in 1984, and Keenan the last two times, plus ten years of experience
>>in preparing the junior and national teams suggests that when we
>>face the Russians without preparations, they will serve us our
>>heads back to us on a platter.
>
>Gerald seems to have different goals for this than the NHL, which is why he
>thinks it's a stupid idea.  The NHL's goal is publicity, which shutting
>down the NHL for the Olympics and sending the NHL players would accomplish.
>Gerald's goal seems to be to optimize the chances of Team Canada winning,
>which would be better served by the Canada Cup.
>

Being humiliated by the Russians is not exactly good publicity for
the NHL, even if they may be mostly NHL Russians doing it.       

I am for a proper World Cup where hockey would gain most of
the financial benefits, instead of the ex-fascists who run the IOC.

I am for a tournament where each team is given has proper time to prepare
so the game on the ice has meaning and integrity...an Allstar Olympic
tournament would mostly be a fraud and an insult to true hockey fans.

Besides, this would likely be a one-time stunt...the NHL would almost
certainly not do this on a continual basis...so even for those intrigued
by the idea, it would be much more profitable to concentrate ones
efforts towards a proper World Cup.  We've spent more than a decade
in Canada building up the national team program now...to destroy this
program for an NHL publicity stunt now would be unconscionable.

Gerald
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From: hillig@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Hilli Gibson)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Keywords: chicken pluckers unite!
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.133515.20029@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:
>In article <51422@seismo.CSS.GOV> cooper@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dale Cooper) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Nov4.171128@masg1.epfl.ch> silver@masg1.epfl.ch (Edward Silver) writes:
>>>>I've been in Europe and missed the NHL news during training and at the start
>>>>of the season. Since being hooked into this newsgroup I haven't seen Gretsky's
>>>>name even mentioned and he's not in the list of scorers.  Is he injured or
>>>>what has happened to him?
>>
>>To which Jerry (RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu) responded:
>>>>Where've you been?  Gretzky died in a plane crash a couple months ago - it
>>>>was world wide news!  The had a big ceremony and everything.  The Kings had a
>
>
>Wow!! Really?!?  And I thought I saw him on the ESPN SportsDesk just
>yesterday sitting with the McNall bozo at the Forum in Los Angeles.
>Let me guess-- the aliens replaced him with a non-hockey playing robot
>designed to look like him, right?  Wow, what a strange coincidence--
>him and Elvis have a lot more in common than I thought....
>


You are all wrong !!!
I saw Him Last Week in Sydney, going out with Elle McPhersen (Aussie Model)
I guess He must have an affair .

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From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: CANUCKS TRADE
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:33:23 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <3853@mdavcr.mda.ca> hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh) writes:
[stuff about Canucks doing poorly deleted]

>The rumor has it that they are not a happy bunch anymore. With several key
>players going to arbitration, this makes some good sense.

You have to wonder about McPhee (sp?) (he's in charge of players'salaries) and
from what I've heard his offer to Ronning would have made him 8th highest paid
on the team.  Ronning puts out most every night, is the biggest playoff 
performer we've ever had, last year he was one of the teams best +/-, 
and so on.  How they could have offered him such an embarrassing salary 
is beyond me.

Just my thoughts,
Tony
From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Jari Kurri Reborn?
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:07:21 -0700
Distribution: na
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <2B02CA4B.15469@news.service.uci.edu>, assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
> The Kings transformation can be explained in two simple words . . .
> 
>               BARRY MELROSE!  

I would have to agree.

> Nick Beverly (the new GM) has eliminated players being able to
> go "over the head" of the coach to upper management, which has
> allowed Melrose to maintain control of decisions made regarding
> the team.  He has been given the control to bench players (even
> veterans) who are not playing up to their potential, and he requires

He benched Robitaille after he lost his cool and got three penalties giving
the Canucks a 6 minute power play when it was 4-2.

Ron
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From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Semenov
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:15:55 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In article <VANDER.92Nov9140311@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp> vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
>What's the deal with this guy?  Why did Edmonton leave him
>unprotected, and why was Tampa Bay willing to let him go for
>so little?  Does he have a bad attitude, as one poster mentioned?

He's had four pints in his two games for the Canucks so far. I was really
surprised when Edmonton left him unprotected. Previous to that, all Edmonton
players, in particular Mactavish, had spoken positively of him. I read in a
Vancouver paper that Craig Simpson of Oilers thought Pat Quinn stole him and
that Semenov will fit in great with the Canucks.
From: scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Scholvin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hawks News
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:37:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov6.153734.8318
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


Well, since Stan has left the net, I can fill in with occasional Hawks news
for a while.

Last night the Hawks beat the Leafs 1-0 in an extremely physical contest
highlighted by excellent goalkeeping.  Belfour recorded his 10th career
shutout (and his 4th against the Leafs), and Potvin was also excellent in goal
for the Leafs.  Of the two, I think Belfour faced more quality chances, but
Potvin faced more shots.  The only goal was scored in the second period by
Ruuttu (sp?), assisted by Matteau and Dykhuis (called up for the game).
Marchment started the play in the Hawks' end with a crunching hit, and Dykhuis
swept the puck to Matteau who was off with Ruuttu on a 2 on 1.

GM Mike Keenan made some roster moves before the game, calling up Sergei
Krivokrasov, Steve Tepper, and Karl Dykhuis from Indianapolis. Krivokrasov and
Tepper played sparingly, but Dykhuis played a bit more as the Hawks are a bit
thin defensively with injuries to Brown and Kravchuk.  It isn't clear if these
guys will be sticking around or not.

Surprising scratch: Michel Goulet, who hasn't scored since the first two games
of the season. Hopefully, he'll answer the wakeup call.  I think he responded
well last year after Keenan scratched him late in the season.  Brian Noonan
was scratched due to an injury; he is reported to be day-to-day.  I've also
read in the Tribune that we should be seeing the return of Brent Sutter any
day now as his broken foot is nearly healed.  His leadership and defense have
been sorely missed, and his return should do a lot to help the Hawks out of
their slump.

Just heard: there will be a "major" announcement by the team at 10:30 today
(Friday).  I'll see if I can get it on the radio, but the Ethernet hubs in my
office tend to mess up AM reception. :)
-- 
John Scholvin                           |  "If I die before I waked,
scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu            |   Allow me Lord to rock out naked"
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From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Keywords: Vernon, Cullen, Hawerchuk
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:36:45 GMT

002111m@ace.acadiau.ca (SCOTT BORDEN MACDONALD) writes:

>In article <Bx99rp.GHJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here) writes:
>>From: kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here)
>>Subject: Possible Calgary trades???
>>Keywords: Vernon, Cullen, Hawerchuk
>>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:23:48 GMT
>>I keep hearing rumours that the Flames are shopping around for a
>>good play-making centre and are willing to part with Mike Vernon to 
>>get one (due to their apparent surplus of goalies).   
>>
>The trade rumours are pretty accurate, I think that Dvae King has sort of 
>made Vernon, the unofficial third string keeper, and the Flames have not 
>exaclty suffered and bad effects so far, the only problem with the Flames 
>trading him is they lose the experience of having a 30 wins + multi-season 
>goalie, and that could hurt, however, they should get rid of him soon, at 
>least while his market value is still favorable. I have heard the rumours 
>out of Calgary, (I'm from there so I have connections) and the latest scoop 
>is simply that Vernon, will be traded when the time is right, now if that 
>time is before christmas, or even this season, well iguess it remains to be 
>seen, As far as possible trades, they are telling me look for one with 
>Hartford. Dave King is hopefully not gonna screw up like ole' Dougie boy did.
>Cullen is looking promising, but it is hard to say.
>Wait and see.

Apparently Vernon is going to salary arbitration, and if he wins, that will
accomplish two things:  Make the Flames more eager to trade him (I didn't hear
the exact figure but it's pretty big money), and Make other teams less willing
to take him.  More thoughts for you to think on!

Bart, Edmonton Alberta
bart@splunge.uucp
From: anlst2+@pitt.edu (Arthur N Lilley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Details on Dan Quinn Allegations
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:16:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


     I haven't seen much about this story posted, so I thought that I might
help fill in some of the details.  Channel 11 here in Pittsburgh did a piece
on it last night that was the most detailed account that I've heard yet.
Channel 11 said that they got the story from a news station in Minneapolis.
They said that they got the story from one of the girls involved.  Now let
me preface this by saying that I may have left out some of the "alledgely"
comments in my description.  I'm just trying to relate the story that I 
heard, and this should in no way be taken as fact.  I am not accusing
anyone of anything.

     Apparently, Quinn and 3 unnamed Penguins were at Hooters bar in
Minneapolis.  They met up with 4 girls there.  They ended up going back to
the hotel where the Penguins were staying(I've heard in other news briefs that
Quinn was living in the hotel at the time).  One of the Pens and one of the
girls left the group and went their own way once reaching the hotel.  The rest
went into one of the Penguin's rooms.  Quinn supplied beer for the group once
they got there.  Apparently, Quinn went into the bathroom and came out
wearing just a blanket.  At some point, he took off the blanket and proceeded
to put on a condom.  Now, I'm not sure when it happened, but another of the 
Pens and another one of the girls left the room at some point.  I'm not sure
if it was before the blanket thing or after, but it was definitely before
what supposedly happened next.  The remaining Penguin supposedly pinned down
one of the girls on a rollaway bed that was in the room, and Quinn at this
time alledgedly assaulted the other girl on the bed.

     Before the game on Tuesday between the Pens and Minnesota, three
Penguins were interviewed:  Mario Lemieux, Rick Tocchet, and the third was 
unnamed.  Also, the Penguin who had the room in his name where the assault
alledgedly took place was not named(my guess is that it's the same person).
Quinn is to be arraigned today, and I think that most of the media is waiting
to see what comes out of this before relating any unfounded stories to the 
public.  The Penguins have retained the services of a law firm in Minneapolis
and they(Craig Patrick) have no comment on the story.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:57:31 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Blackhawks solve (dominate) Penguins 7-2.

Welpe, this was an ugly one.  The Blackhawks were sky high and showed no
signs of being tired playing back to back games.  But, this was the Penguins
first back to back games of the season, and my did it show - especially in the
3rd period.  Chelios and Goulet (hat trick)  (Of course the Hawks did more
than trick the Pens) were playing extremely well.  'Hawks are at the top of
their game after a poor start.   Belfour played great.  Barrasso, aack, we've
seen better (all streaks must come to an end eventually) and what a way to
end.  The 'Hawks converted on 33% of their shots (7 out of 21).
----Give credit it to Chicago.  Finally, their hockey has overtaken their
Bears as the Number 1 sport!  Way to go Cincinnati.  This is good for hockey!--
    This is where I honestly thought the streak was going to come to an end.
I was right that the Pens would have difficulty in this game.  Pens, once
owned the Norris Division, now (still doing well) but three losses have come
on the road at the expense of the Norris Division.
    Kevin Stevens, get well soon!
    Mario Lemieux - has scored a goal in 15 out of 16 games, the only plus of
the game (for Pens fans)
    Off to Minnesota to try to break this streak.
    Here come the Rangers, oh no!  Well, you knew it was coming.
    Can't wait to get back home for the home ice!
                                                        -Rob
From: dvb@penguin (D Van Beveren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What's up with Peter Ahola?
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:55:29 GMT
Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA.
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b_hart@odin.dev.macsch.com (Bill Hart) writes:
: 
: paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant) writes:
: |>
: |>Anybody know what's up with Joe Sacco and Peter Ahola? Is either
: |>injured or sent to the minors? Or just not getting in on the offense?
: 
: Peter Ahola is uninjured and still with the Kings.
: He has played in 8 of the 12 Kings games this season,
: and has 1 goal and 1 assist.

Actually, Ahola was just traded for Jeff Chychruyn (sp!) who was with
the Kings but was traded to (Pitt?) in the Coffey deal. This happened Thursday
night, I believe.

What happened to Brian Sakic? Where has Niklas Lidstrom been? I see that
Lidstrom finally has some points, was he injured?