From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:46:51 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan22.154939.2006@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: Yes. Please, for the *first* time, present us some hard, correct things
>: called "facts"!
>
>Why should I?  You disregard the facts every time I post them, 

No Sir. But during the last months, the only "facts" we saw from you was
your statement that Windows is an OS, with no backing against the masses
of counterarguments you were presented.

>No matter what I post, you and the rest of the Amigoids call me names.

How about proofs and facts? You always refuse to provide them. Just like
above: "Why should I".

>: May I tell you a little secret: Andy was for quite a long time the boss
>: of the Amiga OS engineering team.
>
>I see.  So this makes him an expert in Windows and OS/2?  

Sure. As he also told, he took a deep inside look at every OS that was
available at that time (long before the advent of Windows or OS/2, but
now he also has done research in those). If you are yourself in the OS
business, you have a quite different approach and understanding of what
an OS does and how and why, compared to an apps-only programmer. So yes, 
this indeed gives lots of competence to him.

>Look, Peter, many
>of us on this newsgroup are professionals, including myself, so please stop
>trying to use your professional status as proof of anything.

Well, my impression is that there are highly varying degrees of
professionality present here...

>: The one who is insulting is solely you, Jerry.
>
>I see that facts aren't the only things you ignore, Peter.  You also seem
>to ignore all the Amigoid bashing of PC's and PC users that goes on here.

Hardly. But from a point where I know enough about both sides, I have to
state clearly that the bashings by PC people far extend those by Amiga
advocates, because the PC advocates typically have their facts much
worse together than the Amigoids. - And let me state again that you will
find *me* only very rarely bashing PCs, as I and all Commodore employees
here could not at all *afford* to do so, as Commodore is also in the PC
business, and we mustn't spoil that. So, I claim the argument for me that
you like for yourself: "I do not bash anyone, but I just correct false
statements." And your statements are nearly everytime way distant from
the truth. Yes, from a PC advocate standpoint, that I also have to take,
I must state that you *damage* any PC reputation by your number of false,
incorrect and insulting statements against a different platform and its
advocates. So please stop giving PCs an even worse reputation!

>: And I also feel personally offended: a phrase like "as insulting as the
>: rest of the Amigoids" easily insults 99 % of the persons reading this
>: text. YOU ARE WRONG!
>
>Really?  And the Amigoids who call PC users "sheep", "lemmings", "clowns",
>etc. -- this isn't insulting?  Wake up and smell the sh*t you're shoveling,
>man.

"Sheep" and "Lemmings" is not very insulting. It visualizes the trend that
undoubtedly exists, that people just go after the most sold items (like
"hundred million flies can't err, sh*t *must* taste good!"). And "clowns"
definitely is insulting, but as it comes from a little wordgame with the
correct naming "clone", it's still very harmless. I heard already worse.

>: And you do it over and over. We present you facts, and you answer with
>: disbelief (I call it ignorance) and insults!
>
>You're dreaming.  It's usually the other way around.  The facts I post are
>ignored, 

Please give me a hint: Where did you post facts the last time?

>The point is -- I always start by posting facts.

Perhaps. You started *one time*, and flame unstopped since then.

>I'm sure Andy appreciates you patting him on the back with your post.  Are
>you looking for a promotion or something?

Not necessary, already happened :-)))  Look:

>: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
                 ^^^

:-)))

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