From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA #72
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:42:57 GMT
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In article <lmbeagINNoo0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>In article <C1GzDt.9wJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>>lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence) writes:
>
>>>I have to agree that the story is a dreamscape created by Dr. Destiny.

But, even so, how did Destiny get ahold of pre-crisis characters (sort
of) to dream about?

>Exactly, which is why comments about characterization of
>heroes depicted therein seems pointless, since its something either
>distorted or created by Destiny's warped imagination. Incidentally, Destiny
>doesnt need Morpheus's ruby to control dreams, he can do that himself with
>his brain.

Again, IF it is Destiny that's "Dreaming" this.  He's insane, sure, but
why dream up a conglomeration of heros -- old design heros -- that's
become worse than the criminals they're duty-bound to stop?

>>I had no idea that The Martian Manhunter's vision power was
>>this strong.  Is this consistent with past appearances?

>Varies. His vision power has been shown cutting steel on a few occasions. On 
>the other hand, I dont think its powerful enough to beat Star Sapphire so eas-
>ily. But then I refuse to believe that Sinestro, one of the most powerful and 
>ferocious beings around, could be beaten so easily by anyone, especially 3 
>non-powered heroes. And while the Wizard's power level varies a lot, he is sa-
>id to be as powerful (by himself) as Felix Faust, who has taken on the entire
>JLA several  times.  I cant see him giving in without a single spell. 

The Wizard just say Sinestro downed and Star Sapphire DISINTEGRATED.
The Manhunter EASILY intimidated him into submission.  Remember -- from
the "villans'" standpoint, the good-old-days when heros just brought
the "bad guys" to the police station are over.  Now the heros KILL the
villans.  The Wizard didn't risk his life on being able to stop the
Manhunter ALONE after both Sinestro and Star Sappphire failed.

>Except for GA, the characterizations of the JLA folks bore no resemblance to 
>that of the old League. 

Oh, really?  Take a look at where Green Arrow's shot would have hit
Sinestro had he not dodged.  That shot was aimed at Sinestro's heart.
Even the Arrow's sunk to killing the bad guys -- he's just more "humane"
about the process (quick and easy).

>Flash (Barry) and Atom killing off thousands of people ? This is the same Atom
>who shrunk (rather than killed) the CIA members who killed his beloved and her
>race. 

We never do see the Flash's response to the explosion.  In fact, he's 
initially shocked -- "I thought we were just going to stop those missiles
from launching!"  My biggest problem with the Flash was that his costume
varies from cover to scene and from scene to scene.  In other words, I'm
willing to pass judgement on Barry NEXT ish.

>Hawkman asking for the amputation of someone's arms ? No hawkman I know, not
>even the current version (the most violent of the lot) would ever do that. 
>The members of the league displayed a fascism and viciousness that goes beyond
>anything they've ever shown. Even the ones who spoke nary a word (like Reddy, 
>Firestorm or Dinah) or who objected to some of the actions like Green Arrow
>were out of character, since their old real counterparts would never have rema-
>ined members of League that acted  like this. 

This was a SLOW process, people.  It's not like the League was thrown
into the situation and became evil and nasty overnight.

This was another power corrupts story.  Hawkman's the most powerful as
World Security Chief, and thus the most corrupted of the bunch.  I'd 
figure the Manhunter and Hal are probably the next two worst offenders.

>Anyway, this is somehow all arranged by Dr. Dee. This is not the old league. 
>Inconsistencies in characterization can all be attributed to that, and hence t-
>his doesnt bother me. On the other hand, if the explanation isnt good, then I
>will be ticked off. 

Again -- we can't be CERTAIN of Destiny's involvement in CREATING this
world until next issue.  Now, he certainly has a hand in something
here, but what we won't know until later.

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