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From: si0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Soshi Iba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: girl that dies in school gate
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:31:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Aen3AKO00Uh_81BVMs
	<BvExI4.EqD@jrd.dec.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <BvExI4.EqD@jrd.dec.com>, doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi) writes:

---- many many things skipped ----

>But the problem is that in Japan, people don't care about "rules".
>Students break rules all the time because they know they aren't
>going to get punished, unless they go way over the line.
>The parents also should discipline their kids.  Lot of Japanese parents
>now NEVER hit their kids...

I'm not a graduate of Japanese High school myself, but from what I hear
(from friends), read (newspaper, books, magazines), and see (hanging
around the campus with friends), those schools having a BIG difficulty
in student discipline are one of those bottom schools, especially ones
referred to as "Kyoiku konnan kou" (School having a educating
difficulty).  Infact, my uncle is a high school teacher, teaching in one
of those schools, and he talks about the occasions when he has to call
up many student of his, just to make them come to the school.

But those cases don't apply to the medium, and above medium schools. 
They are well disciplined(usage of polite language, etc.) and I think
your first sentence isn't describing Japanese students correctly.

My intention is not to flame you, but to make correction to the
incorrect generalization about Japanese Highschool students.  

I agree on your "parents" issue though.





=============================================
Soshi Iba
(Electrical & Computer Engineering:  Carnegie Mellon University)

e-mail:  iba+@cmu.edu
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Violence against women....
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:53:11 GMT
	<1992Sep23.012112.16465@u.washington.edu> <3969@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov's message of 24 Sep 92 23:27:30 GMT

In article <3969@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov
   (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

 =}    I'd interpret Mr. Lambert's example in a different way.
 =}
 =}    If Mike Tyson had invited that Japanese woman to his room, she would not
 =}have accepted. Therefore, no rape. She might have accepted if she had agreed
 =}to have, uh, an intimate relationship with him. That would be a consensual
 =}relationship. Therefore, no rape. Hence, no rape in Japan vs. one rape in
 =}the US.

   But if one looks at the current situation, attitudes and practices in
Japanese society then one would see that the chances of a Japanese Mike
Tyson raping a young woman "are about the same"/"are not as great" as in
the US, but the chances of that woman reporting the rape aproach zero.
The chances that the woman would take the cur to court over it get even
closer to zero.  And the chances of her actually winning the case are
zero.

   This is what this thread was initially about.  The situations behind
the statistics are so vastly different that one could not make a useful
comparison in this area (regardless of ones biases as to the morals
of either nation)...
From: jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Mr. Baseball (Again!)
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:06:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.asd.sgi.com

Since we are kind of on the subject of Japanese baseball . . .

I was flipping channels last night and saw part of a celebration
by a Japanese baseball team that had just clinced the division.  This
was on the international channel.

I was a bit surprised to see footage of a ball player pulling a bear
bottle out of his fly in a suggestive manner.  I'm sure that this might
go on during such a celebration in the US, but it is not the type of thing
that would be put on television.

--
John Eisenman (jice@sgi.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Politics (was Re: Mr. Baseball (Again!))
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:28:23 GMT

In article <4054@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <BvHGnH.H2I.1@cs.cmu.edu> jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>>lindaa@sooth.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:
>>|> Since he's pretty much told the same story in every show, I suspect he's
>>|> got a hidden agenda for his statements (he's very republican...).
>
>>And just what the (*expletive*) is that supposed to mean?

>>I do know some about American politics and
>>some about things Japan, but apparently not enough to understand your little
>>tidbit there.

>   OK, we have an election year now here in the US (although I cannot vote).

>   I watched the National Conventions and occasionally come across presidential
>campaign-related newscast. However, no candidate mentioned anything about
>their specific policy regarding the US-Japan relationship explicitly.
>(Probably, that topic is not a common interest of the voters.)
>The candidates sometimes talk about their tax policy or economic policy in 
>general which might have an influence on the relationship between the two 
>countries, but none of Bush, Clinton, nor revived Perrot seem to have clearly
>expressed their feeling or attitude for or against the Japanese 
>economic/industrial extension into the US, let alone their diplomatic policy.
>
>   I wonder what kind of difference could be made in the US-Japan relationship
>depending on the result of the election. Is anyone of them more of a
>Japan Basher than the other?

There's not much of a difference in the public positions of Bush and Clinton
with regard to Japan (actually, Clinton, as a governor, really doesn't have
an international position on most issues, yet). However, the Democrats in 
general, have a larger number of "trade hawks" than the Republicans. Some feel
that a Democratic-controlled legislative and executive branch would be more
hawkish on trade issues (protectionist), given that they would be of the same
political party.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: peterp@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: <None>
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:58:44 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


   regarding Koreans in Japanese cultur
 
 I am looking for any curent info on the treatment of Koreans in Japanese
socity.  The impact that curent social stigmas of Japanese cultre are having
on the Japanese Korean community in Japan. Any help in finding info. 
regarding this topic or any that may pertain to this would be very helpfull.
 Thanks alot.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Mr. Baseball (Again!)
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:45:40 GMT

In article <1aft44INN9f0@agate.berkeley.edu> lindaa@sooth.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:
>I've been watching some of Tom Selleck's interviews re "Mr. Baseball"
>and I'm amazed at his rather one-sided view of Japan.  He keeps saying
>(I've seen him on a few of the entertainment "news" show) that the Japanese
>people on the streets treated him as if he were a monster, pulling their
>children away as he walked by.
>
>Since he's pretty much told the same story in every show, I suspect he's
>got a hidden agenda for his statements (he's very republican...).

I don't know how to say this. I currently don't have a hidden
agenda and it is only this post that causes me to say it, but
the same thing happened to me all the time when I lived in Japan.
Sorry for my impertinence, but is it possible that some Japanese
children (and their parents occasionally) really *do* have a severe
gaijin-con (4NR-complex) and act wierd when they see a 4NR walking
down the street? Or am I Japan-bashing again? Or is Japan-bashing
just telling anything unpleasant about Japan even if it's totally
true? (I'm still unclear on that.)

Would any other 4N men or women living in Japan care to support me in
this? Do Japanese children sometimes hide behind their mothers when
you approach? Have you ever seen any really scared by you (to the
point of crying)?  Have you seen adults really scared by you? If so
was it pretty obvious that it was because you were 4N?

Please remember, I never held it against any of these kids (I held it
against the adults though); a couple of them seemed really distressed
by my presence. But I wouldn't want anyone thinking that Tom Selleck
or anyone else telling such a story is lying when, in fact, they
probably aren't. (If he was he must have consulted with people to whom
it's happened because he described it pretty accurately.) As a
standard disclaimer I'll admit that more kids could've cared less, but
the numbers that exhibited strange (to me) behavior were significant.

For the sake of argument, let's say it really happened to him. Should
he avoid telling the story? Is he to be silenced? Or just what exactly
should we do with him? Boycott his movies? That sounds like the
politically correct move to me.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:39:53 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


 miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) wrote:

>        I don't know why else the USSR would go to Potsdam if not to
>        meet with allies against Japan.  

   For diciding the method of the occupation of Germany. In Potsdam talk,
Potsdam agreement, which dicided the occupation method dividing Germany
by USA, UK, France, and USSR, was signed. I guess it's most important 
issue in Potsdam.
   Sterling already agreed the entering the war against Japan in Yalta 
talk, before Potsdam.

>                             On August 8, 1945
>        Ambassador Sato met with Molotov who informed Sato that the
>        Russo-Japanese non-aggression pact had been canceled years
>        before by Japan's assistance of Germany.

   August 8!  This day was the day before the day when USSR entered the
war against Japan. 
   If my memory is correct, Stering ordered Molotov to keep to give Japan
candies until just the day before attacking Japan.


*********************************
*      Hirokatsu Watanabe       *
*********************************
From: davev@bnr.ca (David Villeneuve)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Cost of living in Japan
Keywords: living cost japan
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:52:55 GMT
Reply-To: davev@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Oct5.192531.7545@netcom.com>, milligan@netcom.com (Michael Milligan) writes:
|> I have a golden opportunity of possibly spending a year or two in Japan on a
|> work assignment.  I have been told that the company who will be hiring me will
|> pay all taxes, provide me with living space, and will pay for all medical
|> benefits.  My question is:  In America I make between $40/hr to $55/hr and
|> wanted to know what would be a comparible salary in Japan.  I consider the
|> opportunity of going to Japan really great but I don't really wanna give up
|> my standard of living.  Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

   Hmmm.   So they pay for your accomodation and medical.  That's 
   quite an offer.  If they are offering you a place that would
   approximate the kind of place that typical Americans would live in
   while in America, then they will be paying mega-yen for it. 

   As a result, you cannot really compare your salary to a local person's
   salary as the local person has to pay for their own accomodation
   (like I do :-(   )

   Hmm. Although you might not have to give up your standard of living,
   you may have to make compromises on your lifestyle.  For example,
   having a car is not always practical here, but would be nice
   for making those excursions outside the city from time to time.
   Personally, I'm at the point where I can buy the car, but cannot
   swallow the price tag of providing a place to park the beastie!

   In any event, with taxes taken care of and accomodation, take
   the offer ... it doesn't get any better!

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Villeneuve, davev@bnr.ca   | Mail daemon wa canada ni arimasu. 
NTJI/BNR Japan                  | Demo, boku wa nippon ni imasu yo.
My opinions are my own, though please don't quote me on that.
From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:59:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


     fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) wrote:
>In article <1992Sep29.095131.2999@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU
> (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>>I don't see what you're suggesting by this, but it shouldn't mean that
>>the allies had absolute freehand on doing anything.  The proclamation
>>itself presents conditions of surrender(?: is this the proper wording?),
>>which obviously presents a point of restraint to the allies themselves.
>>On territorial issues, this reads the enforcement of the Cairo Declaration
>>(to give up all the Pacific islands obtained since 1914, all territories
>>in China including Manchuria and Taiwan to be returned to China,
>>and to achieve independence of Korea), and that the sovereignty of Japan
>>is to be restricted to the four main islands and peripheral islands that
>>the allies designate.  Had the allies gone beyond this, then regardless
>>of whether or not Japan fights back (she won't), they would be biting their
>>own hands.  Japanese surrender is an act of diplomatic agreement,
>>no matter how one-sided it may be.

>So was Germany's and she lost a great deal of territory. I don't recall that
>there were any solid territorial guarantees in the Potsdam declaration, 
>though.

  Clause 8 in Potsdam Declaration said that Cairo Declaration should be 
carried out and the sovereignty of Japan should be limited within Honshu,
Hokkaido, Kyu^shu, Shikoku, and small islands which we decide.
And Cairo Declaration was shown by Mr. Hiraga.
  Maybe 'small islands which we(allied countries) decide' is the point
of the issue.

*******************************
*      Hirokatsu Watanabe     *
*-----------------------------*
* Mo^karimakka Sappaparidesuwa*
*        Maido o^kini         *
*******************************
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Mr. Baseball (Again!)
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:23:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc2

In article <1992Oct3.001451.12880@til.til.com> tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka) writes:
>In article <1agjq0INNe07@agate.berkeley.edu>, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>|> The 4ner complex--I can testify for that.  As a young man walking alone,
>|> when I enter stores or restaurants, I do notice that people seem kind of 
>|> defnsive.  It was like the treatment I would get in the US were I a 
>|> black man doing the same thing.
>
>Huh?  I think the primary reason why sales people or waitresses
>may shy away from foreigners is because he/she thinks his/her English
>isn't good enough and doesn't want to make a fool of him/herself in
>front of his/her co-workers.  Not out of hatred or racism, but just

I wish to partially back up this statement. Certainly I quickly learnt to
get in with Japanese quickly. Often people are in the process of running
away when suddenly they stop, realising what language you're speaking.
I didn't include this in my previous posting about not seeing Japanese
children/people frightened of foreigners as it isn't fear of me as a 
person/object.

However, some (a small minority) of sales people don't want to speak to
you in English, and want to speak to you even less once you speak Japanese.
But, that sort of thing is par for the course in any country.

There is one incident I remembered from my part-time English class after I
posted last time though. One child was obviously very freaked out at being in
the class at first. It took a few lessons before this attitude suddenly (very)
about-faced (like it was fast enough for me to actually see the change - I'm
not joking).

I also remember discussing the class with Japanese adults that I knew. When
I mentioned that I had (initially) some difficulty maintaining order in these
classes, they were surprised that Japanese children would be able to be
naughty in front of a foreign teacher, and said they must be a "new breed"
of children.

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: Seat blocking on flights in Japan
Organization: School of Info Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.213717.8504@bmerh85.bnr.ca> bam@bnr.ca (Bruce Matsugu 1629654) writes:

   I'm just wondering when or if the seat blocking of flights within
   Japan for foreigners will end.  I am trying to get to Kagoshima from
   Ottawa, Canada. So far I can get as far as Narita Airport in/near Tokyo.
   My travel agent cannot book a seat for me on any flights from Tokyo to
   anywhere in Japan for me.

I haven't seen any signs of "seat blocking...for foreigners" in Japan. 

However, it is damn hard to get a flight domestic flights to/from Narita.
Especially if you're continuing flight is not on JAL.
But I was under the impression that Haneda was not so crowded.

Magnus
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Question on Dates?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:42:15 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <SMITTIE.92Oct5115813@beach.csulb.edu>, 
smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
=> >No one is going to remember or use the cut off date to 
=> >differentiate Showa 64 and Heisei 1.
=> 
=> This is, in essence, what I was trying to say.
=> 
=> smittie

Well I was the one who asked the original question, and I was asking
for a friend who is working on implemneting the Japanese date system
into an existing product where it may make a difference regarding 
certain calculations. It seems to be true that nobody remembers,
though.

- Bill
From: 6500topo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rabid Rat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese word processer software need
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:56:51 GMT


Correction to my previous article (My memory is worse than I thought!)
The Japanese WP is under /editor (not /textutl as incorrectly stated)
and the filenames are 

NJJ210-1.ZIP and
NJJ210-2.ZIP

Bye

Paolo

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: bam@bnr.ca (Bruce Matsugu 1629654)
Subject: Seat blocking on flights in Japan
Organization: bnr
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 21:37:17 GMT


Here's a good one!  I'm trying to get to a city in Japan from
Canada around December 28-29. (Yup, just before New Year's.)
I'm just wondering when or if the seat blocking of flights within
Japan for foreigners will end.  I am trying to get to Kagoshima from
Ottawa, Canada. So far I can get as far as Narita Airport in/near Tokyo.
My travel agent cannot book a seat for me on any flights from Tokyo to
anywhere in Japan for me.  Ideally, I'd like to fly from Hanaida to
Kagoshima, or from Narita to Fukuoka and then to Kagoshima.

Can anyone lend me their experiences travelling in Japan around 
New Year's time?

Thanks,
       Bruce
---
Bruce Matsugu   --- my submissions are my opinions; BNR and NT are innocent!
Bell Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
---
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Violence against women....
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:12:15 GMT
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	<1992Sep23.012112.16465@u.washington.edu> <3969@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov>
	<7296@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: blamb@rodan.hri.com's message of 25 Sep 92 15:38:50 GMT


  Since it doesn't seem like this thread is going anywhere we might as
well try to make it into something worth taling about: differences in
values and the way they affect our analogies :) ...

In article <7296@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com
   (Bill Lambert) writes:

 =}"You are right about
 =}all those things, but the reason we use the crosswalk is to protect 
 =}ourselves from careless or bad drivers, not good ones."

   The ananolgy is very close and points out the situation as you see it
rather well, but I believe that it is still tainted with two misconceptions
which make it difficult to understand the problem.  The crosswalk is not
well defined and unlike a drunk driver, a rapist targets the victim...

   The girl that went to Tyson's room may have beliefs that include that
in her crosswalk.  I see nothing wrong with such beliefs (place a male in
the same situation as the girl and you'll see what I mean).

   From here it gets kind of vague, but please try to bear with me.
Whether the girl in your analogy crosses at the crosswalk or on the
street is irrelevant.  A drunk driver would be just as likely to hit
her at either place.  Now let's assume the girl is smart enough to
be careful when crossing the road. (Making her seem too ignorant to do
this is an insult to the girl that went to Tyson's room)...  Whether
she crosses at the crosswalk or not, she will not be hit by a car.
Some of those people on the crosswalk see it as "safe" and are therefore
 not careful.  (Here's where Tyson comes in) So if we have a driver who
is out to ram his car into some 'innocent' street walker (pardon the puns,
I couldn't help it) then he is going to get someone.  Whether he gets
someone from the crosswalk or not is irrelevant to him.  He'll either
take an easy target (someone not being careful) or he'll try to get
someone who is careful by force or connivery...