From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Your own words, of course != bigot
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:27:48 GMT

Jim Shirreffs (jpsb@NeoSoft.com) wrote:

[unattributed material deleted]

: Do you get the feeling that I disapprove of homosexual sex?
: Does that make me a bigot?  I don't think so.

"Bigot, n. 1. a person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular 
creed, opinion, etc.  2. a narrow-minded, intolerant person."

Based on the deleted quotes and what you say below, I think you qualify as a 
bigot.

:                                                It is my
: contention that anal intercouse is WRONG, men butt fucking other men is
: not a cute idiosyncrasy. It is a serious pervertion of the human body,
: and the human soul, both in form and function. I cann't believe that
: society is even debating this issue. If homosexual sex is simply abnormal
: when how come we don't see our dogs (male) and cats (male) giving one
: another head?

Others, in the past, have pointed to studies showing homosexual activity in 
other animals.

:
: If I am correct that homosexual sex is wrong am I still am bigot?

Meaningless question since matters of ethics, morals, and philosophy are not 
provable as right or wrong.

:
: If homosexual sex is not wrong then it should have the same moral
: standing as heterosexual sex,

Correct.  Concentual sex between adults who are aware of their actions should 
not be censured by the laws or by society.  If you disagree with certain forms 
of sexual expression, then don't engage in them.

:                                then what?  Group sex,

Sure, if the group is composed of adults who are aware of their actions.

:                                                       sex with animals

Nope.  Animals are not adults (oh sure they may be "adult" in their particular 
species, but I'm talking about adult humans).

: sex with dead people, 

Nope.  The deceased are not concenting by definition.

:                       sex with children, etc.

Nope.  Children are not adults.

All these sexual practices are beside the point.  There are not groups calling
for society to allow them to engage in these sexual practices (except NAMBLA,
but only adults are qualified to choose their own personal lifestyle).

:                                                 If you are going to break
: a 2000 year old precident, you better have a very good reason. And you
: had better be prepared to demostrate the correctness of your view.

Southern slave-holders made a similar appeal to precident.

: Simply calling me a bigot does nothing for your argument. Ive been called
: alot worse. Prove to me that butt fucking is a legitimate expression of
: love between two men. 

Define "legitimate".  It is certainly a valid expression between to people who 
love each other, provided both people view the activity as such an expression.

:                       Prove to me that society will not be harmed by the
: further erosion of our J/C moral The issue here is not tolerance,
: homosexual have acheived a great deal of tolerance towards thier life
: style. Not satisfied with the tolerance society has towards gays, they
: now want thier deviant acts legitismized. Well your are simply asking
: to much of this old straight conservative. I will listen, but don't
: expect me to roll over.

I would like to address the concept of "proof" wrt social mores, but my wife 
(who is willing to let others engage in sodomy, though she refuses to 
participate) needs help with preparing dinner.
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