From: patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Apology for insults
Organization: The Foundation for the Tragically Hip.
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:17:41 GMT

On Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:20:32 GMT, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) said:


>Even though I will never be given an apology for racist comments made
>at me, it seems some pro-lifers want me to bend over for Patrick
>Humphrey and apologize for slamming on his wife. 

Yeah, isn't it fun when you discover that your friends have a bit more
common sense than you want to give them credit for having?

>I will not under any circumstances allow Peter Nyikos or anyone else,
>think that I am going to comply without a major protest.

Then don't -- if you want your apology (if it can be called that) to be
regarded as not worth the electrons wasted to display it, that's your
choice.

>#1 - Chris Lyman has threatened to remove my access by sending my
>sysadmin a copy of my .sig of Patrick Humphrey. 

Uh, Steve -- last time I looked, Chris was in Minnesota, not Sacramento.  He
can't remove your access.  The sponsor of your accounts can, of course --
did you ever stop and think that maybe she's slightly offended by your
actions in incessantly displaying your .sig?  (She's already seen it, of
course -- after all, she got one copy of it from me, but you already are
well aware of that.)

>#2 - Patrick was the one who first brought up his wife by saying he
>wished I was in his wife's position. This is something that my critics
>have somehow conveniently forgot, for some reason. And as we know and
>as it happens in real life every day, you drag a third party into the
>insult match, you pay the piper when the recipient of your actions
>decides to use them as flamebait. Consider: Dale Ann would not be a
>target of my jokes, aimed to send a message to Patrick that I am
>easily just as tough and fierce as he will ever me.. IF he had not
>mentioned her and said he wished I was in her condition, first.

All too typical -- blame your actions on someone else.  Did *I* make you say
those hateful things?  Stop and think for a moment, if that's possible -- if
I have that much control over your actions, why shouldn't I have just
vaporized you on the spot, and not listened to your delusions about someone
you'd never been in the same state with, much less met?  Could it be that
maybe YOU are the one responsible for your own actions?  As far as I'm
concerned, that's how it *is*.

>#3 - Patrick has also openly claimed he will never apologize for
>making racist comments at me. He has also claimed that now, referring
>to me in the words "your fat black ass" is not racist. 

This is hilarious -- as I predicted, you forged a quote from me, and now
you're lying about me, based on your forgery.  As I said a couple of months
ago, you're proceeding precisely on schedule.

>It is amazing how silent pro-choicers are, on these issues. I do not
>live by the idea that I have to play Ghandi with people who have no
>sense of kindness or fairness. With these people there is, always has
>been, and always will be, one and only one rule: give them a piece of
>their own medicine. I will tell you one more time, you act nice with
>pro-choicers, and they will tear your head off and s$!t down your
>throat the first time you turn your back on them. Those are NOT people
>to be nice to, under any circumstances - they do not talk, they do not
>reason, they do not act courteous. They'll smile long enough for the
>camera to catch them, and then they will Mark Kaufman you. 

What a wonderful life you must lead -- unable to trust *anyone*, because you
have no way of telling which side a stranger is on just by looking.  Just to
paraphrase a proverb out of your favorite book of myths -- you reap what you
sow. 

>I apologize for making fun of Dale Ann, but this only shows how unjust
>and uneven the standards are, on talk.abortion. Patrick refers to me
>as "your fat black ass" and refuses to apologize to me about it, and
>when I decide to respond, that is the only time that trouble erupts.

There's no point in boring everyone else to death with yet another re-hash,
but to put it succinctly -- you could have had your apology, had you acted
with any shred of decency.  Instead, you decided to prove to the world that
two wrongs indeed *do* make a right -- and like I said above, you reaped
what you sowed.  You had your chance handed to you on a silver platter --
and you threw it away.

Now, as to this matter of making an apology to my wife -- even though it's
pretty obviously anything *but* sincere, it's accepted.  No one ever said it
would be easy.  

>Peter Nyikos should consider how much of a laugh the pro-choice camp
>got out of Patrick's refusal to apologize, and how Mr. Nyikos is
>helping their travesties run rampant. 

Well, not to disillusion you or anything, but if anyone was laughing, it was
at your antics in trying to justify your actions.  I was the first one to
admit what I said was wrong -- but I owned up to it and made my amends to
everyone else that was rightfully offended by it.  You got no such amends,
because you didn't even think about anyone else's feelings -- no, you just
went and re-posted my statement, with your stupid ASCII barphic, ad nauseam.
If it was so offensive to all those people when *I* said it, what made it
any less so when you incessantly re-posted it with your own bigotry thrown
in for good measure?

>Now, Mr. Nyikos, you can say good-bye forever, to any hopes of seeing
>an apology from Patrick, to me, about his comment. He knows now that
>he can do or say whatever he pleases, with impunity, and any response
>back at him, will only result in the responder being the one getting
>the admonishment.

In other words -- you've had your head rapped rather soundly by your
caretakers at Sacto State, and this is why you're making this "confession".
It saddens me that it ever had to reach that point -- but you were well
aware of the consequences of your own actions, yet you did them anyway...so
once again, you reap what you sow.  You're obviously bitter enough over your
chastisement to try reading my mind, too, and as usual, you fail miserably
-- if I can say anything I want to in this forum with impunity, why did I
apologize to all those people I offended by my intemperate remark?
I want to hear your answer to *that*.

--PLH, but not until I get a little sleep...

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