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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Why I hate Sinead
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:33:01 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

I wasn't going to post but I wanted to respnd to the letter below.  I
*like* Sinead politically.  I like what she did on SNL.  It also seems
clear that she has issues with the church and they have fucked many
people for many years for much profit. Furthermore, *their* ideal is to
take it sufferingly, for the rewards in the next life.  Extrapolating
from this: since suffering one's oppression patiently rather than
challenging them does not lead to a reduction in these oppressive
forces, then the pope (and pope's before him) has been personally
responsible for many many many people's suffering...  The church, for
example, were responsible for several hundreds of years of anti-semitism
in Europe, culminating more recently in the treatment of Jews during the
Holocaust. And no, I don't consider this far-fetched...

Sinead said in a recent press conference that she considers $ the root
of all evil, and that she'd like to abolish it. Hear, hear!! (and no, I
doubt she's gonna give hers back to you, as she deserves to live,
too....  I can already hear the snide cutesy remarks.)

In article <BxB7DM.24C@acsu.buffalo.edu> hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!) writes:
in response to rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley):
>	to the rest of the net:  sorry about the non-musical rant, but this
>person's post made me physically sick.  I simply can not stand by when someone
>attacks my country (and, by association, me) irrationally.

I didn't interpret R. Caley's post as being anti-American at all. I see
the U.S. as being quite fucked up w.r.t. foreign policy... and it's not just
the British (govt.) behind the doings in Ireland... they have *plenty* of CIA
support...

Some of us STILL don't support the last little war (which resulted in
the death of, oh, a million or more Iraqis). I think wearing a US flag
*is* similar to wearing SS insignia...  and you're comment about "we
won".  ?!?!?!?!?!?  Oh!!!! I forgot!! That makes OUR side right. So
that if the Nazis had won, THEY would have been right.  I see. There is no
morality outside of might...  [didn't Socrates debate this with the Sophists
2500 years ago? haven't we fucking figured it out by now?]

THAT, my friend, is why the US is disliked. THAT is the attitude which
is abhorrant to, for example, Sinead (and myself).  (That, to extrapolate
more, is what's wrong with the current setup of men > women; human > animal;
adult > children; white > minority,  where ">" is a power relationship.)

I hate you all
(not really)

(so this is 2 political rants by me in the last week. I'll restrain 
myself in the future. (not?) )

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
  And I know the world is cold but if you hold on tight to what you find
  you might not mind too much though even this must pass away -Sisters of Mercy
From: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: GWAR
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 

Let's start up a new posting activity.  What are your favorite GWAR in
concert stories?  Although their music stinks, there are ALWAYS worth
the price of admission.

Here's mine:  A friend and I went to see them at the Omni in Oakland.
After about 3 songs and the onslaught of severe sweating, my friend lost
his glasses.  They were immediately crushed, and he couldn't see.  So we
had to leave.  We drove down from Chico (about 140 miles), and I had to
drive his car back.  Crazy!

But the silliest thing was the video screen they had.  It showed all
sorts of perverted sexual acts among huge latex dolls.  GA-ROSS!
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Mookie Blaylock...
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:29:25 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov13.145919.13361@news.nd.edu>, pmadden@samson.cc.nd.edu (patrick madden) writes:
>I think it should be mentioned that the sound quality on this cd is less
>than perfect.  Not bad for demos, but not at all like a "real" cd.
>Pat
\

Thanks Pat....

My fault...I did forget to mention that...

If you are the collector-type who only collects Pro/Soundboard quality
stuff...this disc is not for you...If you are just looking for different
versions (and one or two unreleased tunes) this is not a bad disc...

Also...can anyone answer my question from my original post?....Who sings on the
tune Mystery? It sounds like Eddie in spots and in others it really doesnt at
all...

And for you MLB fans...this disc has Andy Wood and the boys singing that
timeless (read: hackneyed) Argent classic Hold Your Head Up...


Later.
-justin


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Subject: Re: who did "Satan" song ?
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:27:18 GMT

In article <MOCK.92Nov10125609@watt.support.Corp.Sun.COM> mock@watt.support.Corp.Sun.COM (Joseph Mocker) writes:
>
>Does any know the name of, or who did a song that
>has some lyrics like:
>
>
>	And Son, when your Mother comes home tell her
>	SATAN! SATAN! ...
>
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>--joe
>
>--

It's "Sweatloaf" by the Butthole Surfers and it's on "Locust Abortion Technician"

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: emp1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Ernest M. Paik)
Subject: Re: Hex - What is up?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:12:36 GMT

gorf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Craig Collister) writes:

>Some questions:

>Is Game Theory any good?

Yes yes yes yes.  don't listen to that other person.  In fact, "Lolita 
Nation" is one of their best albums.

A good start is their 'best of' compilation called "Tinkers to Evers to 
Chance"...

There have been numerous comparisons to Let's Active (the group of Mitch
Easter, producer extraordinaire) with their guitar rock sound and
occassional pop style...I'd say that Game Theory is a little more moody
than Let's Active, tho...and GT uses synthesizers...

If you're interested in Donette Thayer's voice, then the Game Theory albums
you should check out are "Lolita Nation" and "Two Steps from the Middle
Ages"...


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From: sja@snakemail.hut.fi (Sakari Jalovaara)
Subject: Re: Sugarcubes Breakup??
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 06 Nov 92 15:42:25 GMT


A couple of weeks ago they said they'd break up.

A couple of days later they said they had reconsidered and won't be
breaking up after all.

(Source: MTV Europe news.)

(Ross. Magic. Bjork.)
									++sja
From: kmfdm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Alan Johnston)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: LEATHERSTRIP-KLUTE FAN CLUb
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:54:17 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: kmfdm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu




If your into the Real Industrial Strength scene then join the
Leather Strip & Klute Us fan base.
>>   This is the U.S. Fan Base for the industrial band from Denmark,
"Leaether Strip" & "Klute".  For stickers, info, band contact and
a membership to the Fan Base, send a S.A.S.E. to:

G.A.W.M.U.S. Leaether Strip/Klute U.S. Fan Base
c/o Ric Laciak
P.O. Box 353 MLH 220
Milwaukee, WI.  53201   usa

laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu

Please feel free to send questions and/or comments via mail or e-mail.
You will receive newsletters, stickers, etc.
"May your ears bleed"
-Ric
LeaetherStripper
From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: re: MY BLOODY VALENTINE
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:56:53 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology




they have signed to Island for loddsamoney and are currently lookinmg

as sites for their own STUDIO, which they will construct.


new stuff..........mid '93.




g.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pmadden@samson.cc.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Subject: Re: Mookie Blaylock...
Reply-To: pmadden@samson.cc.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:59:19 GMT

I think it should be mentioned that the sound quality on this cd is less
than perfect.  Not bad for demos, but not at all like a "real" cd.
Pat
From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Why I hate Sinead
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:43:26 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Nov11.151832.12916@panix.com>, jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
> 
> PS: just so you know that I'm not focusing purely on punks and the like, I
> think that ANYONE (Dead Heads, Hip Hop kids, Metal Heads, Goths,
> Industrial types, etc....) are friggin stupid if they think they can get
> all their politics from music

Well where do you get your politics from?  The media?  They are the biggest 
lying wankers whose only purpose is to cause a smoke screen for big brother.  I 
am not saying to get all your politics from music, that is silly, but I think 
Elaine got her politics from real life situations, which is by far the best.  
And quit ranting about how you can go to the law if something bad happens, I 
got my head kicked in by cops, was sent home drenched in blood when I was about 
16, for drinking in the park and telling the cops to stuff it when they told us 
to leave.  I went home and my parents wanted me to report it, so I did, the 
cops just said I attacked them, and they used self-defence, so dont give me 
noshit about how great cops are here.

The Fiend  
"This society makes me sick, I'd like to give it a big kick!"
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Breeders show at UCI cancelled
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:17:11 GMT

  I hate to be the bearer of extremely bad news, but for those who
  were planning to go to the Club UCI show for the Breeders and Unrest,
  you may want to save gas and stay home.


  It came down to the Breeders and their agents bitching about not having
  lavish equipment, and demanded auxilary monitors above and beyond the
  budget of the venue.   They nearly cancelled three weeks ago due
  to the same problem, but the Club decided to spend an extra $800
  for monitors.  Then again, the Breeders demanded a soundcheck at a
  particular time which conflicted with the venue's dsires.

   Also keep in mind that Drive Like Jehu had just performed the night
  before. The owner of the venue (the venue being a pub and grill)
  somehow annoyed by the band (HE doesn't do the booking, he just owns
  the pub) consdering the place JUST started booking alternative bands,
  and was a little less than charismatic when confronted with the Breeders
  wanting an early soundcheck.


   The Breeders bitched.
   The owner bitched.
   So the show is hitched.

  Of course, now many fans will bitch, myself included.

   I guess it's all part of the Irvine giltch.

    ..I hate this bullshit.    later                     K!z!K
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NoMeansNo
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:02:30 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <1992Nov9.213139.21543@scott.skidmore.edu> jkennard@scott.skidmore.edu (james kennard) writes:
>They were a great band.

  And they still are a great band.

  How many times to I have to say that NoMeansNo are on HIATUS???

  They officially have NOT broken up.


  ..unless something happened between summer and the present....

  Call Alternative Tentacles and ask.


                                                         K!z!K
From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: TMBG - SHUT UP!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:38:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <5NOV199222492820@venus.tamu.edu> san7675@venus.tamu.edu (STEPH) writes:
>In article <17794.9211051548@thor.cf.ac.uk>, scocjk@thor.cf.ac.uk (Christopher Kyle) writes...
>>Will you please shut up about They Might Be Bloody Giants. This is an
>>Alternative music news-group, TMBG are NOT Alternative
>>			               ~~~
>>Piss off and take your mindless, pointless affirmations ("Yes for me" -
>>shut up) elsewhere

>Excuse me, but we just spent a lot of time deciding that anything that isn't
>mainstream top 40 WAS alternative, and since I haven't heard my younger sister
>just humming away as she bops around the apartment, I must assume that they
>AREN'T top 40.  Which makes them alternative - at least to some people.  If you
>don't like it, don't read it.

So does alternative include country, rap, r & b, jazz, classical, etc?


kcw


--
I think I'm turning Japanese...I really think so.
Kevin Welch
kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: mforesto@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael John Foresto)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: U2 live and Achtung Baby outtakes!
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:47:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I've got tons of live U2, including some of their breakthrough concerts
like Live-Aid, and the 1989 New Years Eve Celebration from Dublin's 
Point theatre.  I also have some old, early eighties, Bauhaus and
Violent Femmes, that i'd be willing to trade for some U2, REM, Stone
Roses...	
	
		E-Mail me if you're interested and maybe
		we can arrange a trade or something....
		mforesto@wpi.wpi.edu
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Hanson Brothers (NoMeansNo / D.O.A. )
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:09:15 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <MEGA.92Nov5210714@mamba.cc.lut.fi> mega@lut.fi (Mega the Root of All Evil) writes:
>
> Does anybody now if Hanson Brothers has put out an album ?
>

   Yup. It's called _Gross_Misconduct_.  It should come out VERY soon.

   It's basically members of NoMeansNo and D.O.A. doing Ramones type
  rock.  Listen to "Oh No! Bruno" off NoMeansNo's _Wrong_ or the track
  "Ya Little Creep" off the Nardwuar compilation by NoMeansNo as well,
  and this gives you an idea of what the album will sound like.

   Good ol' ROK N' RAUL, DOOD!                        K!z!K
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From: jkennard@scott.skidmore.edu (james kennard)
Subject: Re: lotsa questions ...
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:24:52 GMT

mattski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Skawinski) writes:
> 
> ok, here we go
> 
> first off, i heard a song this past weekend when i was back home in albany,
> ny (WEQX 102.7)... its called 'hero in me' (i think), and i would like to 
> know who the artist is... any info on what CD this song is available, and
> if it is any good or not would be helpful...
> second, i relly like the song 'church of logic, sin, and love' by THE MEN
> and i was wondering if the rest of the album is any good,...
> lastly, i have the album 'hold me up' by the GOO GOO DOLLS and i was impressed
> at their potential... are they due to release any other albums soon?...
> are their first two releases any good (i think one is called 'jed')?...
> 
> just in an inquisitive mood...
> 
> 							mattski@wpi.wpi.edu
> 
> ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
>  sssss   kk     kk ii   "...where you're going,                           )
> ss   ss  kk    kk  ii        -is gone;                                   /  
> ss       kk   kk   ii      where you came from,                      _ /
>    ss    kk kk     ii        -is no good anymore;                    /
>      ss  kkkk      ii      and where you are now,                 -/
> ss   ss  kk  kk    ii        isn't worth it                      /   
>  sssss   kk    kk  ii       -unless                            />
>                              you can get away from it..."    / 
> ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
> 
> 
About the Goo Goo Dolls...I have "Jed", though i don't listen to it
much because i kinda grew tired of them.  I also saw them play in
Buffalo, their hometown, and they just reminded me of a cheesy rock
band too much.  They just jumped around the stage, like on an MTV video
or something, and the girls just go crazy.  Their is another band from
Buffalo called Monkeywrench(not the Seattle band) that sound just like
the Goo Goo Dolls and are suppossed to put a record out on New Red Archives.
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Sinead
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:57:43 GMT

rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:

>In article <dlcogswe.720394854@vela>, Dan Cogswell (dc) writes:

>dc> she went walking by my friend, who was wearing a black tee-shirt
>dc> with an eagle on it and the American flag in the background.  She
>dc> stopped and just stared at my friend (who was protecting *HER*
>dc> from all the people that wanted to kick her ass) and gave him a
>dc> dirty look and kept walking.

>Sounds like a perfectly natural reaction to me. You may not have
>noticed, but outside the USA, that kind of silly jingoistic
>symbol has been out of fashion for decades, except amongst neo-nazis. 

My friend wasn't wearing it because of fashion.  He was wearing it
because he (1) doesn't have much money and (2) doesn't care what was on
it.  And I can safely say that my friend is intelligent enough (has a
college degree) that he doesn't deserve dirty looks from some
loudmouth out to drum up controversy (and make as much money as
possible).  She's no better than Madonna.

>What would your reaction be if you were walking along and saw someone
>in an SS uniform?

So you equate a bald eagle and colors of the American flag with symbols
of Naziism?  I guess I'm just a fish in a fishbowl living under
Socialist opression.  And I hardly even notice the death camps...


>dc> We wanted to grab the back of her skull and smash her stupid face into a
>dc> brick wall. 

>Ok, maybe it does have the same associations in the USA.

Well, we didn't kill anybody at a soccer (football?) match, but we're
trying. :-)

>dc> If she hates America so much then I suppose she's doing all these
>dc> concerts for free??  

>Erm, if she hated the USA, she'd be charging you double. 

Oh, what torture!  Now I see her plan:  she hates the US so much, she's
TORTURING us!  All the bad records and stupid things she says is a very
clever plan to inflict pain in the most subtle way.  Clever...
I just hope Madonna travels to Ireland to do the same.
  
I didn't pay and I'm glad.


>dc> I'll admit she's a decent singer, and I even agree with some of the
>dc> things she's mad about, but she ought to learn that she's stepping on
>dc> the wrong toes.

>Oh, horrers, can't have singers stepping on the wrong toes! Next thing
>you know they'll be criticising the president or I Love Lucy or being
>Jewish or...

So, I'm supposed to LIKE people that are unjust to me and my friends??
I see.  I'm completely mistaken.  She's a WONDERFUL person for giving my
friend a dirty look and telling just about everybody there that they live
and participate in a country that is fucked up and it's their fault.
You're right.  Now that I see it your way, I wish I would have given her
some of MY American money so she could take it back with her laughing
all the way to her Irish bank.

Wait!  Let me get you her address and YOU can send her a check.


-- 
Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"


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From: klejefm@yalevm.cis.yale.edu (J Klein)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints 4ad stuff?
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Stiles College, Yale University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:55:56 GMT

> I just got a hold of an lp of theirs called _The COmforts of
> Madness_.  I don't recall this being avail in the states (it's an
> import from the uk)  is this their first album?  do they have any
> others?
> I found it to be better than _In RIbbons_- less of an mbv clone
> kind of sound.  why is it that all these new uk bands feel like
> they have to sound like mbv?  ride is clearly influenced somewhat
> by them, but they don't pretend to be like them...

I have to agree with "The Comforts of Madness" being an excellent album.  I
got it on import a while ago and apparently it's the first full-length
album you can find in the states.  There's also an ep from that era called
"Barging into the Presence of God" which contains another version of "Sight
of You" as well as "She Rides the Waves" and "Mother Might."  They are hard
to find info about.  Apparently, they are a band from Leeds epitheted as
the "grandfathers of shoegazing" because they were around for so much
longer than anyone else, so I doubt they could be called a clone of
anyone...

(JK)
From: hudson@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (David Hudson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: 4AD - Lonely is an Eyesore
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:44:30 GMT
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy

In article <BxGsDE.75F@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> jdrage@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (your humble friend and narrator) writes:
>In article <u882517.721019660@bruny>, u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:
>> 	Colurbox, Dif Juz and This Mortal Coil are defunct (but did not
>> sign to another label), and the rest are all still on 4AD apart from the
>> exceptions, (Clan of) Xymox and Cocteau Twins (Fontana)! 
>> 	Where did you get your information?
>
>Where did YOU get your information?  Cocteau Twins have been releasing under a
>4AD / Capitol joint venture for the last couple of years (not under Fontana).
>This Mortal Coil released _Blood_ last year, and will always be around as long
>as the 4AD record label exists (the band is actually just random members of
>various 4AD bands.  Dif Juz have always hated doing studio work, and mainly play
>live, but managed to release _Huremics_, and _Extractions_ (which the CD contains
>part of _Huremics_).
>
	After Heaven or Las Vegas, The Cocteau Twins left 4AD.  They
were then signed to Fontana in England and their stuff will still be
released by Capitol in the States.                 

					DavE
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From: rpajanss@cs.ruu.nl (Roger Janssen)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins's album
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:24:04 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Nov12.150314@IASTATE.EDU> jkelly@IASTATE.EDU (John E Kelly) writes:

>I believe Smashing Pumpkin's is from Detroit but wouldn't bet the 
>farm on it.  Correct me if I'm wrong !
>
>John


They're from Chicago!

Roger
Utrecht
Holland
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From: c60a-it@danube.Berkeley.EDU (The Trashcan Sinatra (Amit Sahai))
Subject: Re: Which Beautiful South CD should I buy?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:47:32 GMT


	Do any of you know what the address of Go! Discs is?
Do you have any idea how one might reach them? 

	So far, I know that The Trash Can Sinatras, The Beautiful
South, and the La's are all on Go! Discs. These are all great bands
and have an essentially similar sound. Are there other bands on the
Go! label worth looking into?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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