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From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:37:55 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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Keywords: potential dangers

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:

>folks,

>ahh, hindsight is 20-20.

>i think it would be most beneficial if we all share our ideas and
>experiences for potential birdie hazards at home.  here's my 
>contributions:

>1.)  birdie fights .  *please* keep birdies separated if they want
>to chew one another!  i cannot express the horror and guilt one
>will experience if one birdie maims another...

>2.)  carpet strings (can wrap around birdie legs)

>3.)  nonClipped wings (see birdie in wild blue yonder!)

>4.)  electrical cords (birdie chews thru 'em)

5. String tied in cage for whatever reason (garrotte if tied correctly.)

6. LEAD PAINT!  I lost a beloved friend to lead in paint chips in the
window ledge.

7. Windows, to the inexperienced flyer.

8.  Here's one no one lelse may have had--one of our lovebirds would
have drowned if I'd not been there when she placed one end of a cardboard
TP tube in her water dish and dived headfirst down the other.

others?

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From: r4jmcco@srv.PacBell.COM (Robert McCormick)
Subject: FOUND: Cockatiel in Concord, CA, USA
Followup-To:  r4jmcco@srv.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:42:57 GMT

My cockatiel attracted another 'tiel to our house.  I assume that this
is a lost pet, as the bird is in terrific shape and seems used to the
idea of being in a cage.  We are holding the bird in hopes of finding
the owner.

The bird is a cockatiel, found recently in Concord, California.
If the owner can identify the bird, it will be gladly returned.
Send email to r4jmcco@srv.pacbell.com or call 510-649-3881 and leave
a message.

Bob McCormick

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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: showers
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:11:42 GMT

In article <199323.3220.2469@dosgate> "barbara turnbull" <barbara.turnbull@canrem.com> writes:
->
->Hi, Barbara;
->BT> bathing - take 'em into the shower, or attach 'em to the shower curtain.
->BT> angus (einstein that he is) still hasn't bought a vowel when it comes to
->BT> actually flapping at the wawa ....
->i'm jumping in here, if you don't mind.  when you say INTO the
->shower, do you mean fully under the water?  i have an african grey,
->and i've been wondering about that.

sometimes.  most times, i place him on the floor and watch him walk
to between my feet, look up, spread his wings, and wonder why he's there.
i'll also let him perch on my finger and place him an inch away from
the spray; he'll duck his head and pretend to be a giant venus fly
trap by flapping his wings at the drops.

showering with one's birdie...what bliss!!  :-)
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From: la@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Lewis Alderton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:44:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh


> * What is the average life expectancy of tiels?
About 25 years

> * How often should a tiel be bathed? 
Once a week

>   More important perhaps, at what age should I start bathing
>   my boy? (He's 3 wks old...)
If he has a decent set of feathers, start straight away

> * How are "RoudyBush" products? (Recommended by the local pet store
>   that's hand-feeding my tiel currently)
Don't know, I've never heard of them.

> * Should I have any toys in the cage initially? (I'll bring
>   him home when he's ~7 wks.)
Yeah, but not too many, and vary them every week or so.

> * What is a good beak conditioner?
Expensive carpets, wallpaper, door frames -- It really doesn't matter what
beak conditioner you use, he will always find something interesting to chew 
on.


> ps: Howz "Spike" for a name?
Better than mine. I call my tiel 'COCKY', to the dismay of my mum.

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From: mnoeske@SU12K.Harris-ATD.com (Mike Noeske x4143)
Subject: Newspaper vs. Cypress Mulch for cage bottom??
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:17:25 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL

Does anybody have any reason why one shouldn't use cypress or
cedar mulch for the bottom of a large bird cage?
 I have been using mulch on the bottoms of the cages for
my large birds for years and i think it has its advantages
over newpaper.

1. Its cheap, about $1.70 for about a 40 lb bag from K-mart,
   or free if the city collects yard waste and grinds it up.
   (i dont use the free stuff because you dont know what people
   will spray on trees to get rid of bugs).

2. I buy it for the flower beds anyway. When i clean out the
   cages i dump everything in the compost heap in the back yonder,
   let it compost for a while so i dont have bird seed sprouting
   all over the place, and then put i on the flower beds.
   So it serves its intended purpose and then some.

3. Maui, my molacaan cockatoo always has some large chunks there
   to destroy or use to spash water out of his bowl. He also likes
   to dig around under it like he's looking for something (could
   be a foraging instinct or maybe he stole my car keys again when
   i wasn't looking, i dont know).

4. Its smells pretty good.

5. After seeing Maui destroy newspaper when he's just playing
   down on the floor, i dont think it would stand a chance on the
   bottom of his cage.

the only problem i have come across is that sometimes it can be
kinda damp when you open up a new bag because the stores down
here (florida) keep them outside in the weather.

Any comments? please post them as i think alot of people might
be interested in using mulch as an alternative.

thanx....Mike Noeske.....mnoeske@su1b.ess.harris.com
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From: PA109188@utkvm1.utk.edu (John Rich)
Subject: Spring Exotic Bird Fair
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:25:34 GMT


             The Tennessee Valley Exotic Bird Club

                  Invites YOU To Attend It's
                     Fifth Annual Spring

                      EXOTIC BIRD FAIR

                      April 3 & 4, 1993
                    (Saturday and Sunday)

               9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. both days

                  Knoxville Convention Center
                      World's Fair Park
                    Knoxville, Tennessee

There will be Birds, Cages and Supplies for Sale; Demonstrations; Exhibitors;
Educational Displays; and Several Auctions throughout both days.  There
will also be an activity table for children.

For More Information or For a Table Reservation Packet:

      e-mail:   pa109188@utkvm1.utk.edu
     US mail:   T.V.E.B.C., P.O.Box 51425, Knoxville, TN 37950-1425
   Telephone:   (615) 694-7793

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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Keywords: potential dangers
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:42:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.141124.8461@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude) writes:
|> In article <1k5uf7INN4fm@gap.caltech.edu> mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu (Alf Mikula) writes:
|> >rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
|> >
|> >>7.) Hats.  (Local phenomenon only, I guess... My bird panics when someone
|> >>wears headgear... Can seriously injure herself if confined in a cage).
|> >
|> >Mine has the same reaction to hats.  Perhaps this is common 'tiel behavior?
|> >Anyone?
|> Since such birds raise the feathers on their head when excited (frightened
|> or otherwise agitated,) when they see a hat appear on a usually hatless
|> head, they "see" raised feathers. Typically, if one member of the flock
|> suddenly sends out an alarm, the other flock-mates will react accordingly.

This is my theory also.

However, my bird is also a fashion critic.  She makes it PERFECTLY clear
what ties, sweaters, jackets, etc. that she definately does not like.

Fortunately, she doesn't complain about mixing the wrong colors.  :-)

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From: fairchil@helix.ucsd.edu (Kevin Fairchild)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: "Hey, where's my food?"  Converting 'tiel to pellets
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:11:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


From fairchil Sun Jan 24 00:11:25 1993
To: /home/helix/fairchil/.article


We have been trying to convert our 9 month old female lutino to a pellet diet. 
It's been about two weeks now, and she still regards the pellets as a snack, a
pleasant diversion, but not really a staple food.  I started by letting her
play with some of the pellets, eating a bit, to get her used to them.  Then I
replaced her seed mixture with pellets (some of them crushed so she could eat
them better at first.)  She didn't really eat them at all the first few days,
so we gave her seeds a few hours later each day.  (She got her veggies and
fruits as usual, also.)  We have tried to reduce the proportion of seeds, but
she still won't eat the pellets as her main food.  Is there something else we
should be doing?  Will it just take more time, or is she never going to eat
these pellets?

Kevin Fairchild
Soon-to-be-late-of-UCSD

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From: Karen.M.Crassi@dartmouth.edu (Karen M. Crassi)
Subject: cockatiel coloring
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:27:29 GMT

Hello to all you bird lovers on the net!

I have a male cockatiel named Charlie who appears to be a normal gray
in his coloring except for a couple of differences.  The bird people
(no they didn't have feathers :-) at the pet store where I got him said
that the breeder told them that he was heterozygous for the white face
mutation (i.e. he has the gene for white face but has the coloring of
the normal gray - the white face gene is recessive).  They pointed out
a white patch on the back of his head below the crest as evidence of
this.  I have two questions:
   
    1.  Has anyone else out there seen a gray tiel which they know
carries the white face gene, and does it also have this white patch? 
(He still retains it after having been through molting.)

    2.  There also appeared, after his first major molting period, one
primary feather on his left wing which is completely white from base to
tip. There isn't one on the other wing to match.  Is this related to
the white face gene thing or is it due to something else entirely?

I probably won't ever breed him, so these questions are for the sake of
satisfying my curiosity only.  Anyone who responds can reply on the net
if you think it would be interesting to others, or you can e-mail me
directly.
Thanks in advance for any info.

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From: judy@nepac.ucsd.edu (jgaukel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:32:09 GMT
Organization: scripps inst. of oceanography
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X-XXDate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:32:23 GMT

Birdie Hazards

Yes, I would like to add, hanging lamps!??    Ok, the real question: 
does anybody
ELSE'S bird run into hanging lamps?  Or do I have a nearsighted
cockatiel?  

Other pets are certainly a hazard.  My sister rescued her parakeet from
her cat's mouth...

Stoves, definitely.  How do you cooks keep your bird away from the
cooking area?
The shoulder works for a while, but she climbs down and gets into
trouble!  :-)
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From: sgk@phad.la.locus.com (Sharon Kass)
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Keywords: potential dangers
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:33:20 GMT

How about halogen lamps? I just bought one ; the tall pole
type 6 ft tall with heavy floor base and dish on top with
halogen light facing up towards ceiling. Do you think a bird
would fly over such a bright light and try to perch on it?
I'm very concerned about this (still time to return the lamp).
Does anyoexperience or opinions regarding the safety
of halogen lamps to birds.
From: judy@nepac.ucsd.edu (jgaukel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:35:56 GMT
Organization: scripps inst. of oceanography
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X-XXDate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:35:54 GMT

Please answer my 'tiel questions :(

Hi!
  I have a book entitled "Cockatiel Owner's manual" that has pretty good
information
(it's not very in-depth, but enough stuff to answer the basics)... it
says that cockatiels
can live around 20 years!
  As far as bathing goes, I've just let Blondie shower when she wants. 
No problems
there, it evens out to about 1 x a week or so.  I'm no expert, but I
would think it would
be an individual thing with the bird!
  I got Blondie when she was about 6 weeks old.  I had a toy in the cage,
just one, which
she still doesn't play with (she's nearly 7 yrs)..  except when she's
mad.  I do keep a cuttle
bone in her cage for her beak scraping activity.  
  I think the most important thing is attention and TLC for your bird. 
Blondie has rarely
caught a cold (you may want to get an infrared lightbulb..), and she's
had some run-ins
with hanging lamps that were pretty nasty, but has NEVER been "down"... 
you do have to
make sure your birdie eats ok at first, but the attention I think is the
big item.  Also,
I never let Blondie eat sunflower seeds - it always seemed like such a
controversial
thing that I figured "better safe than sorry"!
  I'm not sure about a good seed manufacturer - usually if the pet store
I'm in has their
own mix I just buy a pound of that and keep it in the refrigerator.
   Enjoy your new baby birdie!!!!  Congratulations!!!
From: ares@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:11:01 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

In article <1993Jan26.125532.9629@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
> i think it would be most beneficial if we all share our ideas and
> experiences for potential birdie hazards at home.  here's my 
> contributions:
> 
And mine:  (the list has specific relevance to sparrow-sized birds allowed to
roam the house)
. mousetraps, insect poison
. precariously-balanced objects - just about any household object falling on
  or over a bird can injure it, e.g. books, cassette tapes...
. poisonous plants
. tennis racquets, table tennis paddles, darts - if you're going to practice
  your strokes or play a game, lock the bird up
. walking quickly across the room without looking at the floor
. shutting off the lights in a room without securing birds - see previous point
. going to bed without securing birds - a bird's body is not any more
  more substantial than a crease in the bedsheet...
. rolling furniture, e.g. wheeled chairs
. cabinets and closets with lots of nooks and crannies among contents - when
  closed and locked, these are death traps
(Actually, just about everything in the house is hazardous to small birds.
Thats why I now have an automatic reflex to locate my birds every five minutes.)
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Birdies at Woirk (was: Re: I need to buy a ...)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:47:22 GMT

In article <1k40mvINNe7p@intercon.intercon.com> rsteel@intercon.com (Rob Steel) writes:
->Hi everyone,
->
->I have changed jobs and will now be bringing my little umbie, Toots, to work
->with me.

that brings up a rather interesting question.  how many of y'all have
brought your birdies into work?  how do your co-workers handle it?
what kinds of jobs do birdies perform best?  :-)
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From: becka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rebecca Lynn Sparling)
Subject: potty training
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec.pets.birds, becka@leland.stanford.edu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:08:26 GMT

OK-OK-OK, I imagine this is a FAQ that everyone is gonna flame me for,
but does anyone know if it is possible to potty-train a "non-baby?"
Stevie is only about 15 months old but I'm told he's still to old to
learn "new tricks."  If it is possible, how the HELL do I do it?  I
could really use some help, because Stevie loves to hang out with us,
and when I leave him on his perch to save my clothing, the couch, etc,
he flies at me.  I'd love to be able to hold him more and I feel
guilty putting him back in the cage to stop him from bombing me.

Basically, any potty-training tips are appreciated.  Post here or
email me please, so Stevie can get the attention he deserves!

Thanks!
becka and stevie
becka@leland.stanford.edu
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: New food/toys for parrot
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:06:15 GMT

au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn) writes:

>Because Zack likes fresh fruit but flat-out refuses _any_ raw veggies, 
>I've been trying to upgrade his diet in other ways. I bought him some 
>Nutri-Berries, which he seems to like. I mixed them in with his usual 
>seeds (Abba brand), about half and half. I also bought him some Perfect
>brand pellets. My question is, should I wait a while (how long?) before 
>introducing the pellets? I don't want to throw too many changes his way too
>fast.

You might try starting by just adding some pellets into his normal food.

>Last night it occurred to me that the frijoles (refried beans) I was eating
>should be nutritious for my green friend. I fed him some from a spoon, and 
>aside from being a bit dismayed when he tried to grab a bite of the mushy
>beans with his foot, he loved them. Could this be another clue in the
>"how to get Zack to eat good stuff" mystery? Perhaps if I offered him
>some cooked veggies, he'd try them. I know raw is better, but I figure
>cooked is better than none.

It might also help if he sees you eating the stuff first. But be very
carefull about sharing you food with your bird. Humans can carry germs
that are harmless to us, but bad for birds.

If he will eat cooked vegies that would be good start. Maybe after eating
cooked one for a while you will have more luck with raw ones.

>Now a question about introducing new toys. Does anyone else's bird take a 
>few days to warm up to new toys placed in the cage? Zack gives any new
>object very wide birth for a couple days. Then he gets up his courage and
>"fights" with it....lunges at it repeatedly saying "no bite",
>runs away, attacks again, over and over. Then after a few days of that,
>he can be seen happily hauling whatever it is all over the place.
>I find this really amusing. Just wonder if other people's birds have a
>similar ritual. 

My Grey is often afraid of new toys when I first put them in his cage.

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From: rac@sherpa.UUCP (Roger Cornelius)
Subject: Getting archived articles from r.p.b.
Organization: Roger's House; Gulfport, Fl
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:47:27 GMT
Keywords: Air cleaners, Air filters


Quite some time ago there was a detailed discussion in this group on
the various air cleaners/filters available.  The discussion included
price/performance points and peoples experience with the different
models.  I began archiving rec.pets.birds in March of 92 and my
searches of the articles since then turn up nothing so the discussion
must have taken place prior to that date.

If anyone has archived articles prior to April 92 I would appreciate
it if you would scan them for this discussion and mail me the pertinent
articles.  Or better yet, I'd like to get copies of all the articles
posted to the r.p.b. group since it's inception.  I'll be happy to
ftp or uucp them at my expense.  You can contact me at the address
below.

Thanks
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Birdie Barbers
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:05:36 GMT

In article <9301191302.PN22136@LL.MIT.EDU> lind@ll.mit.edu (Tom Lind) writes:

> As I have a beard, I have experienced this behavior from Mr Chips, our
> red-shouldered macaw, on many occasions; particularly a few days after I
> have shaved my neck below the beard.  When my neck is clean-shaven, Mr
> Chips checks it out and will roll over on his side and press his back
> against my neck, all the while making his funny little gurgling sounds. 
> But if there is any growth there he tries to remove it a la angus.

> Now our dear, sweet Maggie (blue-fronted amazon) couldn't care less about
> short facial hairs.  Her desire is to preen my beard and hair...

My Quaker is a good hair preener, and will do it for much longer 
than I thought his attention span lasts.  But his beard preening
leaves much to be desired.  Preen, preen, yank!  OW!

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