HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:08:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov10.181407.5277@tc.fluke.COM> tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
>>>>Sedalle Threat is awesome.  He consistently shoots above 50% from the field.  Two years ago he was second for guards behind MJ.
>>
>>Actually I heard that stat on TV sometime last year (that Sedalle had the 2nd
>>highest shooting percentage amongst guards).  What that he must have meant is
>>that Sedalle was second highest amongst point guards (but I see he is 3rd if
>>Vern Fleming was playing the point).
>
>Let's get real.  Threat is a fine guard but he really isn't awesome.  He
>played 3 (?) years here in Seattle and while he certainly contributed he
>was rarely awesome (unless of course you consider almost anything an NBA
>player does on the court as awesome, which is true but beside the
>comparative point we're discussing).
>
>Threat hasn't been an All-Star and I'll bet he won't be.
>
>Threat, as a point guard, was not able to beat out Nate McMillan (whose
>career is suddenly blossoming but 3 years ago was considered the weakest
>starter on the Sonics).
>
>Threat didn't start consistently at 2 guard - although he did start and
>play more at 2 than at point.  Ellis started and by the end of Sedale's
>last year here Pierce was starting.
>
>Peter B



	Sounds like an unhappy Seattle fan to me.  Sedale stepped into Magic's
	position last year and played great.  He was the Laker team MVP last 
	year-no easy task when you've got Worthy on your squad.  In addition,
	he plays great defense and can score almost whenever he wants.
	He also plays the point with good consistency and passes the ball
	well without having very many turnovers.
	As to beating out McMillan, who care, McMillan is good buthe can't
	beat out the king of inconsistency, gary Payton.  Me thinks you
	should concern yourself more with your current roster and team 
	rather than belittling an ex-Sonics accomplishments.  Next thing 
	we know you'll be telling us how great Shawn Kemo is gonna be when 
	he reached his 'potential'(for the third year in a row.     

		Hoop it up

			Russ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (The Batman!!)
Subject: Does anyone know how many games WTBS is going to broadcast this year?
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Date:  7 Nov 92 14:43:26 GMT

I remember last year TBS only Televised only around 15 hawks games.  I 
just wonder if anyone know how many TBS is going to broadcast this year.
Could anyone send the the schedule of TBS basketball games. 

Thanks in advances.

My E-mail address is "jxu@black.clarku.edu".

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: ALONZO!
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.095425.4617@verifone.com> tracy_y@verifone.com writes:
>Just curious, does Alonzo have the same agent as Kenny Anderson? Kenny's
>contract request required the Nets to waive two players just to get him
>signed which didn't sit well with coach Fitch or a few of the other players.
>Whats worst is that his rookie season turned out to be a BUST! I just hope
>Alonzo's isn't the same.

Alonzo is represented by the same guy who represents Jordan and Ewing.
I think his name is David Faulk.  There's an article about him in the
Sports Illustrated NBA preview issue.  I can't remember whether he also
represents Kenny Anderson, but he has a reputation as a very tough
negotiator.

The Hornets need Alonzo -- or someone like him who can provide interior
defense, shot blocking and rebounding -- real bad.
From: jayward@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Jay Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: MJ is NOT on trial (was Re: Michael Jordan)
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:36:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6293

kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:

[Something formatted for about 95 columns]

>My 01.

>-Vach
>--------------
>Lakers over Kings today (who doubts that?  Should actually say "* over Kings")
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Would you like some salt on that shoe, sire?  Don't blame Desinex!

You seem to think that Magic is some sort of hero so I will respect your
opinion of him, but rest assured that not everyone likes him and "That
Smile".

Oh, and your predictions stink! :-)

---
jayward@cs.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Shorten The Draft
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:01:05 GMT


Isn't the NBA collective bargaining agreement up for renegotiations
soon?  I'll bet you the NBAPA will ask -- and get -- a further
reduction in the draft.  15-20 players and that's it.

I mean, look at the Celts and Jon Barry, Seattle and Doug Christie,
everybody and Don MacLean.  It looks like the teams make these choices
because they have to pick somebody, but then they don't even want to
deal with the player they picked.

The other side of the coin is that if all these teams feel that they
are so deep, then maybe it's time for another expansion.  I expect the
players to ask for some action in that direction also.


--Gidi

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: staf0002@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Wolves vs Bucks (11/1)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:31:20 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Money 
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:14:13 GMT


According to UPI, Doug Christie and the Sonics are just not agreeing
on anything.  He wanted $800K/yr, they offered him $500K.  Now they
say they will only pay him the minimum $190K.  He says if so he'll
just go back to school (and, I assume, wait for next year's draft).

Meanwhile, the Warriors cut Tom Tolbert but (according to the SF
Chron) he is still going to collect on his GUARANTEED contract.  Two
years at $600K/yr.  After he clears waivers, any team can pick him up
and pay him the minimum $140K/yr, and the Warriors still cough up the
slack.


* Note the two different sums that are cited as "minimum".  I assume
that there's a different minimum for first round picks.

* Seattle offered their 1st round pick, #17 overall, less money than
the Warriors are paying Tolbert -- a #34 pick four years ago, who last
year averaged less than 9 minutes in 35 games.  So who's crazy here?
Are the Warriors paying outrageously for Tolbert, or are the Sonics
making an unreasonably low offer to Christie?


--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Subject: Re: Does the Magic news sound more like...
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:55:52 GMT

In <92309.102005IDCLS@ASUACAD.BITNET> IDCLS@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:

>I had posted that Magic had retired once again, and after watching sportscenter
>that evening, seems it wasn't about his wife requesting his retirement, or his
>doctors saying he should (they continue to indicate that his health is good).
>He says it was all the controversy.  Well, surprises me because there was con-
>troversy behind him playing the All-Star game; he played: there was controversy
>about the Olympics; he played: now controversy in the NBA and suddenly he's not
>playing.  I Love Magic, however, it makes me wonder if there isn't more to this
>than just Karl Malone/Gerald Wilkins and an unnamed GM, along with the news
>about who started the bisexual stuff (Isiah, his ex-buddy no doubt) as reasons
>that Magic said okay, I'm out of here.  Just doesn't add up.

I read that during one of the preseason games (vs. Cleveland?) that Magic or
someone he was guarding got scratched, and that there was blood visible. Of
course, we all know that cuts gush and not suck, but it makes you a bit
cautious nontheless.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
		Is it IBM compatiable? NO - ARE YOU?
 - FUSION - FUSION - FUSION -FUSION -FUSION -FUSION -FUSION -FUSION -FUSION -
    Domain: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark Nagel) Voice: +1 206 356 5098
      UUCP: microsoft!fluke!mark or sun!fluke!mark
     Snail: John Fluke Mfg. Co. / P.O. Box C9090 / Everett WA  98206
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Picks
Date: 06 Nov 92 23:21:46 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

My picks:

PACIFIC
Portland	Still the team to beat. Rod Strickland will be
		a solid asset, and Danny Ainge didn't help them
		that much anyway.
Seattle		The deepest team in the NBA is also one of the
		best. Could win 34 home games.
Phoenix		Charles will help this club, no doubt. Any of
		the top three could win this division.
Golden State	A second place team in any other division. Could
		move up if a couple of decent rebounders emerge.
LA Clippers	Hard to tell what all the tinkering will mean to
		this club. Hard to know if it matters as long as
		Manning and Harper play well.
LA Lakers	Still a threat, but fading. Other teams key players
		are younger and better.
Sacramento	Improving, but more slowly than the teams ahead of
		them.

MIDWEST
Utah		The best team in the division got better when they
		added Humphries and Krystowiak.
San Antonio	Will open the season with three new starters and
		nine new players. The two returning starters, Robinson
		and Elliott, are enough to assure second place in a
		weak division.
Houston		Happy or unhappy, Hakeem can lug these guys to third
		place.
Denver		You could do worse than be a Denver fan. Bernie
		Bickerstaff is rebuilding this club rather nicely.
Minnesota	They're not as bad as Dallas.
Dallas		Former model franchise is now a laughingstock. They
		need Ted Stepien to kick around.

CENTRAL
Chicago
Cleveland
Indiana
Atlanta
Detroit
Milwaukee

ATLANTIC
New York
Boston
New Jersey
Miami
Philadelphia
Washington
Orlando

Paul


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ssalimb01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Magic
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.174302.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, smorshea@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <7885@transfer.stratus.com>, halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.140359.24877@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling) writes:
>>> 
>>> Tell me this, are YOU PERSONALLY willing to guarantee that the improbable
>>> will NOT happen ? Until you can 100% guarantee that no player will contract
>>> HIV from Magic playing basketball, I think the players have a definite
>>> point in being worried about playing with Magic. Not that I don't want to
>>> see Magic Play agin, but I can't blame the players for voicing their concern.
>> 
>> 
>> 	No. Are you willing to guarentee that the risk of contracting HIV during
>> an NBA game has been eliminated now that Magic has retired????? How does anybody
>> know there aren't other HIV-positive NBA players? And if there are, do you think
>> any of them will go public with that knowledge voluntarily after seeing the
>> treatment Magic got from his fellow NBA Players?
>> 
>> -- 
>> !	Jim  Halpin
>> !	Stratus Computer
>> !	Marlboro, MA
>> !
>> !	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
> 
> you know of course that before the olympics members of the Australian team 
> voiced their concerns over whether they would play against magic, or whether 
> magic should play at all.  Specifically they said that they would not play if
> they couldn't get assurances from the team doctor that the chance of becoming
> hiv+ so small as to be insignificant.  Of course as soon as the US media heard
> this they immediately misquoted them and blew everything out of proportion.
> In the end all members of the Australian team agreed that they would play 
> against magic if given the opportunity.  This was done because there was no 
> significant medical risk, not because of the controversy that was raised
> (unjustifiably) by the media.  Now magic has retired again, and guess what 
> several nba players and administrators have come out saying they didn't want
> magic playing against them because the seemly insignificant risk they faced was
> to big for them.  This despite doctors everywhere saying that you have a bigg
> 
> risk of being killed by a hailstorm in Libya.  However this time the media has
> not seen fit to jump all over these people, who are displaying increadible 
> ignorance, asa opposed to the REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION that was made by the 
> Austalian players.  My point is that these people, the same people who 
> supported magic for the dream team, and the all star game are being 
> increadibly hypocritical.
> 
> Gentlemen, start your ignorance...
> 
> Andrew
> smorshea@cc.curtin.edu.au

Andrew, you smoothy Portland fan.
From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics Media Info(Re: bos Celtics @ mia Heat - 10Nov pregame stuff)
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:10:18 GMT
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <2091@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:

>broadcast local : 40 away games on WFXT,ch.25(29 live,11 tape-delayed
>	     until 10pmEST)

>cable local     : 35 home games on SportsChannel New England; and 11 away
> 	     games produced by FOX-25 and shown live on SportsChannel
>	     and tape-delayed for Ch.25 to protect revenue from
>	     profitable FOX prime-time programming.

This is the first year that sportschannel televised away games live. Now the
Celtics are becoming more like the Boston Bruins and Red Sox; more games
on cable than on free TV. People who don't have cable lose out once again.


Chris Martel			cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Clearpoint Research		cpm@cpoint.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: matthies@ucsu.colorado.edu (Mike Matthies)
Subject: WGN and DA' BULLZ
Keywords: TV
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:11:03 GMT

Can anyone out there in Chicagoland (or elsewhere for that matter) post or send me a TV schedule for the Bulls on WGN?  Thanks in advance.


			Michael Matthies
			matthies@spot.Colorado.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: scott@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: NBA Logo - Cousy?
Keywords: Worm
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:48:15 GMT
Reply-To: ibmpa!sharktank.ibmoto.com!scott@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: Somerset
Originator: scott@penaloza.austin.ibm.com


I second the motion that the Logo is modeled after Jerry West.  It
is the classic "left handed" dribble that confirms that fact.

-- 
 -scott g.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The Sharktank is Alive in San Antonio!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: analysis for 92-93 season
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:31:31 GMT

hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang) writes:


>:Portland:   Have they learned how to stay away from technique fouls?
>:	    Will Adelman be more demanding to the players?

>	Can anybody lead this team rallying from behind now that
>	ainge is gone?

I think Ainge certainly helped in this area but I believe what they
lost most when Ainge went to Phoenix was an experienced, 
level-headed veteran.  Yes, Rod Strickland and Mario Elie will
CERTAINLY provide some great, talented veteran help, but they
still don't have anybody who is a veteran backup to Kevin 
Duckworth at center.  The infusion of youth with Smith and
Tracy Murray is great, but I imagine they'll only get mostly
garbage time.  Additionally, big, bulky (but still athletic)
Mark Bryant really hasn't proved he can play consistently,
and with the ability of Robinson, Kersey and Duckworth to
go ballistic at any moment and get a Technical or ejected,
I still see Portland's biggest problem as being throwing
themselves out of games.  Looking at their preseason record
on Technicals (11 or 14?) will show how far they've NOT
come.  Adelman is a good coach, but I wish he'd be the focal
point to and fro with the refs instead of his players.

allen
From: edmunds@vaxb.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Warriors v Lakers
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:02:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: LLNL_LIS


  gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
  > 
  > I watched the second half of this game on free SportsChannel
  > and all I can say is:  Thank God it's still the preseason.
  > 
  > Both teams could be better come March Madness but right now they
  > are no match for the Dukes and Kentuckys.
  > 
  I was there, it was very sad.  The first half was worse than the 
second, too.  The Warriors started the game with six turnovers.  Neither
side could shoot well.  Hardaway was terrible.  The Lakers didn't play
great, but they deserved it more than the Warriors did.
  Let's see, good things?  Anthony Peeler looked pretty good, Sedale 
Threatt looked very good.  For the Warriors, Latrelle Sprewell did
well.  That's about it.  This was the kind of game that they really
miss Marchiulionis.  Many times, when everyone else is stinking it
up, he comes in and generates a lot of offense for them.  He got a nice
standing ovation at the start of the game, though....

  > I think they should have redshirted Vlade Divac.

  Vlade didn't look all that hot.  A little heavier than in the past,
I think.  Not in the greatest shape.
  When the Lakers have Edwards, Perkins, Worthy, Scott, and Threatt on
the floor, they've got lots of championship experience...and lots of age.
I think their fate is going to hinge on how healthy these guys can stay.

  > For those who care about scores, Byron "great" Scott made a running
  > jumper in the paint for the lead with 14.5 left, and Chris "cross"
  > Mullin missed a very high arc floater as the buzzer sounded.  Lakers
  > 107, Warriors 106.

  A botched play, Mullin's shot didn't have a chance.  It was a fitting
end to the game.

-- Dave Edmunds
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Matt Othick
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:26:27 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Nov5.160910.5225@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, scott@austin.ibm.com writes:
>Greg Franklin said:
>>Just got word that Willie is out for the season.  So it looks like Othick
>>will stick.  Yay!  The forces of good (Othick) vs. the forces of evil
>>(Tarkanian, Daniels, Green).
> 
>   More like the forces of a bench warmer (Othick) vs. the forces
>   of those who will get lots of PT.  Doesn't the NBA stand for
>   "No Babies Allowed" and Othick is certainly a Baby in this league.
>   He will see very small minutes of PT behind Daniels, Del Negro, and
>   Greg Sutton.  Look for Othick, he's the one at the end of the bench,
>   near the exit to the locker rooms!

Heh.  If I were GaRY, I would woof Othick up to the high heavens, but 
realistically your opinion is much more correct, so I won't disagree.

I do think he'll be voted on by the female fans as Cutest Guy in the NBA,
because he is.  He'll take over the role of team TWG from Tom Copa (btw,
I see Copa has latched on with the Rockets).  
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: gt1490d@prism.gatech.EDU (Gintas Jazbutis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hawks Roster
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:48:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Well, it looks like the Atlanta Hawks roster is as follows:

C:   Blair Rasmussen
     Jon Koncak

F:   Dominique Wilkins
     Kevin Willis
     Duane Ferrell
     Jeff Sanders
     Adam Keefe

G:   Mookie Blaylock
     Stacey Augmon
     Travis Mays
     Paul Graham
     Morlon Wiley



Jaz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: Re: Grant Long????
Organization: R.S.M.A.S.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:12:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.133945.13353@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>
>To the Miami Heat fans, will Grant Long be in the lineup in the first
>couple of weeks????  I keep hearing statements like "when he signs"



Grant Long hasn't signed yet (11AM 04Nov).  He wants a solid commitment
for a 7th year, while the Heat only want to guarantee year 7 against injury,
not performance.  He backed off from an expected signing of the $14mil
contract yesterday...  When will he sign?  Your guess is as good as any.



-- 
 Richard Sikorski - Marine & Atmospheric Chemistry, U. Miami, FL
 Internet: sikorski@umigw.miami.edu        
         r.sikorski@rsmas.miami.edu
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:28:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Sedalle Threat is awesome.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is really pathetic.  The loudest Laker woofer on the net can't
even spell Sedale Threatt.  Pathetic.

>(of course "Majic" wouldn't have hurt).

Especially considering that he flames others for their spelling.

(Are we noticing a pattern here?  This is at least the second time
in three days we've seen a spell-flame filled with numerous
mispellings of its own.)

Tony

P.S.:  :-) for "mispelling."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: NBA Logo - Cousy?
Keywords: Worm
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.174815.21913@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> ibmpa!sharktank.ibmoto.com!scott@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com writes:
> 
> I second the motion that the Logo is modeled after Jerry West.  It
> is the classic "left handed" dribble that confirms that fact.
> 
> -- 
>  -scott g.

Yes, the NBA icon is Jerry West and for those who don't believe it
just send a letter to the NBA - C/O David Stern   

and if that doesn't convince you, write to the Lakers C/O Jerry West
and he might send a reply (he did for me) telling you all about it

Now, let's return to more important discussions, like which team is going 
to beat the Bulls in the EAST Conference Finals this year !!

Chris
-- 

		Mephistopheles ... ruthless, sleepless, unsmiling,
                concentration on self or humorous, civilised, sensible
                and adaptable 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro