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From: alex@tpocc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Alex Measday)
Subject: John, Paul, George, Ringo, and Bert
Organization: Integral Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:33:36 GMT

I'm posting these for a friend, Don Sauter, who doesn't have access to
USENET.

                                      Alex Measday
                                      alex@tpocc.gsfc.nasa.gov

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In February there was a bit of talk about the play JOHN, PAUL, GEORGE,
RINGO... & BERT.  The final word, I think, was our U.K. comrade Stephen 
Carter lording over us how good it was.  (Just kidding, Stephen!)  I feel 
compelled to point out that the U.S. has also had a production.  It was 
staged at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County campus, which has 
a highly regarded theater department.  It ran for 3 weeks in Nov85.  The 
story - the history of the Beatles - was updated to include John's death.  
The song selection had almost no overlap with that of the U.K. production.  
The UMBC production was top-notch - amazing might be a better word - and 
it received glowing reviews.  

The director Sam McCready managed to get permission for the songs he 
wanted from ATV "in the nick of time" - just before they were sold to 
Michael Jackson.  (I don't understand why, but somehow Jackson owning the 
songs makes it less likely that it will play again soon.)  The director 
also had a tough time "chasing up" the play since it has never been 
published.  He finally got it "in manuscript form in a pretty dreadful 
state", although he actually viewed that as exciting.  "So, in a sense," 
he said, "we're still dealing with a relatively new, fresh piece of work."

One last anecdote: a photo of the main characters that ran in some local
papers must have been captioned by someone with just enough Beatle 
knowledge to be dangerous.  After the "obvious" typo or misspelling was 
corrected, the caption read, "John, Paul, George, Ringo... and Best."  


Don Sauter
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sound bytes for Let It Be
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:40:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep4.214054.6201
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

James Willer (jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
>: Recently someone asserted that the talking during "For You
>: Blue" was not recorded during the song, but mixed in later
>: by Phil Specter.

That was me.  Lewisohn, "The Beatles Recording Sessions" p.166: "The
sixth take was included on the _Get Back_ album and -- with further
editing and remixing -- on _Let It Be_." 

hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>I don't think Phil Specter is good enough to get the timing & rythym(SP!)
>as good as it is for these comments.  It would be EXTREMELY difficult.

No, I think they could do it.  The cut and repeat jobs on "I me mine"
and "Let it be" are excellent (technically!) and cutting the first and
last lines out of "Dig a pony" can't have been so easy either.  That
is, I agree that it was difficult to do, but disagree that it was so
difficult that it defies belief.  Besides, Lewisohn practically says
they did it.  Although under March 25 1970, he says the song
"presented no special problems", he also reports the final version is
an edit of two mixes (intro and body), as if that were nothing!  Under
March 30, we find unknown further time being spent on "For you blue",
a day when Spector was fiddling around with editing in spoken remarks.
Maddenly, though, Lewisohn is not totally explicit about what was done.

>On a bootleg (I think it's Kum Back, snarfed from the Get Back acetate
>I believe) you can hear what is obviously someone's drink being consumed,
>the sound of ice in a glass is unmistakable!  George starts the song a
>few times, screwing up and enjoying it.

That's the "Get back" album tape compiled May 28 1969; "Kum back",
based on its song selection, originates in the mix tapes made March
10-12 1969.  One difference is that the GB tape includes the ice cubes
and the "QUIET PLEASE!" being shouted off mike, which is not on the KB
version.  However, note that on May 7 1969, spoken word remarks were
-added- to the completed mixes.  The absence of an explicit remix
entry for "For you blue" means GB should be the same mix as KB, but
since it does differ, I wonder whether the ice cubes, shout, and even
the false start belong there.  I'm not saying they don't, but saying
I'm keeping my mind open.

--Joe Brennan
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Subject: Harrison : All Things Must Pass
Keywords: harrison
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:15:10 GMT


I agree, All Things Must Pass is a great album (I wouldn't call it the  
best). My biggest complaint is that many of the lyrics in certain songs  
are difficult to understand. I believe the lyrics were in with the  
original LP release but they were not included with the CD.

And so, I was wondering if someone might e-mail me the lyrics or how to  
get the lyrics of the songs on the album...especially Beware of Darkness  
and Awaiting on you All.

P.S. I'm still working on a discography of Harrison b-sides and cuts from  
soundtracks/charity LP's(see previous post : Looking for...)if you have  
any info please e-mail and I will try to post a complete "rarities" list  
later. 

--
-williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
------------------------------------------------------
"Isn't it a Pity, now isn't it a shame
 How we break each others hearts and cause each other pain."
From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Rev9 woman's voice
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:48:56 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Sep3.233941.23864@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>In <1992Sep3.215617.9094@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:

>>Most obvious to me is the crowd noise at a football game - "hold that
>>line! hold that line! hold that line!..."

>I always thought it was "block that kick! block that kick!", but I could
>be wrong on this one.

Given that it was recorded in England, I dont think the crowd noises
(probably taken off the telly or radio) would be from a football crowd -
English football crowds dont quite sound so clear as that, it would be
almost exclusively men's voices, and anyway
they wouldn't be chanting anything like hold that line! or block that
kick!. My assumption has always been that it is a political march or
rally. But I havent thought closely about what they're actually
chanting.
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Ringo & Hollywood Bowl....
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:47:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <randall.715654173@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

>dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

>>EMI has no current plans to release the Hollywood Bowl album on CD,
>>for reasons that remain unclear. They could have decided that it's
>>not marketable, not profitable, or not worth the tangle over copyrights.
>>I'm not certain but I believe the remaining Fabs must okay such releases.

>They would sell a zillion of them, especially if they added a 
>bonus track that was not on the LP.   They probably do have
>legal problems, though.

Bonus tracks?  As someone previously pointed out, they could
easily fit *both* concerts in their *entirity* on a single disc!

					Jamesa Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Beatlefest '92 in Los Angeles
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 04:30:36 GMT

Although many of you may have already received your catalog (which
is in stunning colour this time), it's worth mentioning that the
Los Angeles Beatlefest will occur about a month earlier than
usual this year (October 24 & 25), for reasons unspecified. The
notes mention that this year's special guests will be Gerry Marsden,
that famous and beloved ex-skiffler/Merseybeat bandleader, late
of Gerry and the Pacemakers, who will speak, entertain, and
answer questions. The other notable guest will be Ray Coleman,
long-time Melody-Maker journalist and biographer of John Lennon,
whose revised edition of the Lennon bio is apparently due out
that same weekend. This lineup, along with the ever-popular
indoor "flea market", are sufficient reasons to attend, IMHO.
Anyone interested? I'll be pleased to arrange the usual pre-fest
get-together on site if there are r.m.b.'ers who are likely to
attend on Saturday. (I promise not to miss it as I did last year. :-)

Even if you can't make it, the 'Fest catalog is worth ordering
(call 1-800-BEATLES). It has detailed pictures of all the books
you're ever likely to want (including the forthcoming and much
ballyhooed Lewisohn tome, "The Complete [note spelling] Beatles
Chronology"), videos, posters, ties, and (heaven help us) decorated
undershorts.

Overseas customers may wish to get on the 'Fest mailing list by
writing to PO Box 436, Westwood, NJ 07675-0436.
--
---------------------------------------------
"And when I plugged 'er in she just blew up."
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saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: George song?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:07:44 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <AeeLIUS00awGM9Q0QU@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:
>Does anyone know the title of the song that is played over the closing
>credits to "Time Bandits?" Been driving me crazy for at least a year now.
>
>JMR
>HSK

The name of the song is "Dream Away" and you can find it on his album Gone
Troppo. (Which is actually pretty good, in my humblest of opinions)
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Abbey Road plates (was Re: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:47:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep09.212932.20486@watson.ibm.com> john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>In article <harold.715966641@ccl.umist.ac.uk>, harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
>|>                                                    Finally, offensive
>|> number plates are not used. I actually got the local police - after
>|> something of a struggle - to do something about a car I had seen in 
>|> my neighbourhood whose number was FKY 1D, but whose owner had had the 
>|> letters arranged thus: FK Y1D - 

>Why?

Ummmm...
I wondered about this myself, the first time I saw it. But after a second
viewing I suppose, if you apply a bit of imagination it might offend Jews ...
(no offense intended, but I don't have time right now to wrack my brain for
a more politically correct term)                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                         ObBeatleReference
				Jamesa Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Subject: Hard Days Night on CD-ROM!
Reply-To: jongsma@benzie.si.com
Organization: Smiths Industries
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:25:15 GMT


While browsing through Billboard Magazine at the local newstand, I noticed
an article that said "A Hard Days Night" will be released in November on
CD-ROM.

Yes, CD-ROM.

Supposedly, this will be the first full length movie released in CD-ROM
(ISO-9660) format. The article specifically mentioned that the movie
would be viewable by those with MAC and PC CD-ROM drives, but that
it would have to be viewed in a window, as there wasn't enough room on
the CD-ROM to provide for full screen resolution.

Should be interesting.

(I know nothing more about this- so it won't do any good to ask for
details. Sorry!)

-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: I Me Mine (the book) looking for info.
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:43:34 GMT

Steven R. Williams (williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu) wrote:
: 
: Twice today I've heard about the book "I Me Mine" which is said to contain  
: the lyrics to many of George's song pre-1980
: 
: Does anyone know if this book is in print??? If it is out of print, does  
: anyone know how I might obtain a copy. If it is still in print, could  
: someone please tell me the publisher. Also, how complete is this book(does  
: it contain all Harrison songs released before publication or just the  
: hits?)? 
:  
: advanced thanks,
: Steven Williams
: --
: -williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
: ------------------------------------------------------
: "All through the Day. I me mine, I me mine, I me mine"

As I recall (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong :) ), I Me Mine
was a beastly expensive book, rather large, and very complete.  I checked it
out of my college library, took it back, went back a month later and it had
been stolen.  Damn.  They have a set of "Bag One" lithographs, which are still
there.  Seems to me the book sold for $400.00 US, or maybe that's what it's
worth.

Of course, I may be thinking of a different Harrison book.....

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: New Beatles recordings??
Summary: The Vaults redux
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:26:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.014139.28808@unlinfo.unl.edu> cpeters@cse.unl.edu (Corey Peters) writes:
>...I heard on the radio today as I was driving in to
>work that there was going to be a new release of Beatles material around
>Christmas time.  The disc jockey (Sorry I don't remember the station) said 
>something about reading in the Times (I think The New York Times, but
>am not sure) that some never before found recordings of the Beatles were found
>in a vault and should be released by Christmas time.  Anyone else heard this? 

Our British contingent has dealt admirably with this question, but I 
also noticed that the New York Times article (in The Living Arts section
8 September 1992) mentioned a release in 1993. However, after naming
a few of the songs in question ("If You've Got Trouble"---described as
"an early singing attempt by Ringo"---does this mean that all the songs
he did *prior* to 1965 weren't singing at all? :-) plus "Leave My Kitten
Alone" and all the other "collectable" favorites long enjoyed by consumers
of the "Ultra Rare Trax" and "Unsurpassed Masters" series), the Times
article also mentioned that Apple has hired lawyers to sort out the 
copyright problems.

To me this sounds ominous. It suggests that the rights haven't been cleared
and may not be any closer to resolution than they ever were. No release
date, of course, has been set. It's also open to question whether these
songs would require George Martin's deft hand for final remixes or cleanups.
Certainly the really historic bits and pieces, like the fragments of the "Thank
You Girl" and "From Me To You" overdubs, and the studio chatter from "Think
For Yourself", would likely *not* be included in the package. I'm not even
sure whether alternates of legitimately released gems like "I Saw Her Standing
There" and "I'm Looking Through You" would make it onto an official package.
We could always hope, of course.

The September issue of The Beatles Book mentions that there is no solid
information about the forthcoming BBC radio releases featuring the Fabs,
but this "news" about the erstwhile "Sessions" album has not yet been
addressed within its pages. Perhaps next month?
--
---------------------------------------------
"And when I plugged 'er in she just blew up."
---------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:33:47 GMT

In <harold.715966641@ccl.umist.ac.uk> harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
> This year's cars for example all begin with K. A
> number of letters  are omitted from the sequence (I,O,Q), and in 1970
> they switched the letter-change day from Jan 1st to Aug 1st, because it
> was affecting sales. By my calculations, an "F reg" car would have been
> registered in 1966.

Just to nit-pick:

The "year letter" system started in 1963, with (unsurprisingly) 'A'. Then:

	'B' was 1964
	'C' was 1965
	'D' was 1966
	'E' was 1967, but only up to July. 

This (not 1970) was the year the change to new registrations on 1st
August came in, so that:

	'F' was August 1967 - July 1968

... and so on ...

-- 
Regards

Steve Fagg      ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 )
BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK

*** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". ***
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs)
Subject: Re: Video: I've Got My Mind Set On You (was:  Cloud 9 questions)
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:35:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.182236.16873@cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep12.172848.1474@menudo.uh.edu>  
edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu  
> (edward s. chen) writes:
> So, could someone give a description of the Got My Mind Set On You  
> 'arcade' video and the 'This is Love' video, since I'll likely never get  
> the chance to see them myself???

I am also interested in hearing about the 'This Is Love' video, which I've  
never seen.  The GMMSOY 'arcade' video, I saw once or twice, but remember  
very few details.  I did find it charming, however.  

> By the way, besides the three from Cloud 9 what other promos has George  
> done? I have seen one for Crackerbox Palace and supposedly there is one  
> for Ding Dong, Ding Dong....and maybe True Love???  Did the Wilbury's do  
> any besides the one in the train car(at least I think they did one in a  
> train car, I'm not sure, I've never seen it either...)

A few years back I saw the Harrison video for "All Those Years Ago";  
again, I remember very little about it. (MTV-watching with a blank  
stare... I make myself sick...)  The Wilbury videos of which I am aware  
are "Handle with Care" and "End of the Line" (the one in the train car)  
from Vol. I and "She's My Baby" from Vol. III.

-- Joe McCombs (mccombj@alleg.edu)

"It'll be like Heaven... or a cemetery." -- Professor A. LoBello
From: CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lyrics request: "Old Brown Shoe"
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:08:42 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep9.133051.1568@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
rjones@z.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:

>
>In article <1992Sep3.235315.13070@pellns.alleg.edu> mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph MCombs) writes:
>>Hi again!
>>
>>I was wondering if anyone out there could e-mail me (or post) the lyrics
>>to "Old Brown Shoe."  I've never been able to find them anywhere!
>
>Ahhh...one of my favorite Beatles songs...

Mine too!  With all the recent talk about who played slide on what song,
I'm wondering, who played slide on this?

Thanks,


cg
Xref: sparky rec.music.beatles:4370 rec.music.cd:6346
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.cd
Subject: New Beatles CD - False Reports in UK
Keywords: Beatles CD
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:01:02 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

Press Reports of New Beatles Album
==================================
A front page story on this week's (6th Sept 92) Sunday  Times 
reports  that a "lost" collection of Beatles songs is due  to 
be released, having been "rescued" from the "vaults" in Abbey 
Road.

This report was even picked up by the BBC and reported during 
the day.

The 'fuss' led me to set my principles (ie distaste at nearly 
all UK gutter press) to one side and see what the story  was.  
I needn't have bothered.

The  "exclusive"  simply pads out the list of  the  "treasure 
trove"  that was being "dusted down this week",  which  turns 
out  to  be exactly the same as  the  ever-so-nearly-released 
SESSIONS  album from 1985(?).   All the press reports  do  is 
link the upcoming set of Apple Video releases with what  will 
clearly  be an open season on re-releases  and  re-packaging, 
with the chance of the odd fresh release (ie Sessions, or BBC 
stuff) being thrown in (to lighten my wallet!).

However...

Amid  the  numerous  supplements  was  a  feature  on   Linda 
McCartney  - a puff for her new book (qv).   The usual  stuff 
about  how she pinched the invite to the  Stones photo  call, 
and  became friends of the famous (and a  famous  "groupie").  
But,  the  article was illustrated with a few of  the  photos 
from the new book - Linda McCartney's Sixties.  And. amid the 
photos  is  a WONDERFUL photo of the fabs  linesup  to  cross 
Abbey Road during that session.   (Paul is wearing  sandals).  
I  have seen other out-takes from the session (all from  Iain 
MacMillan's  angle,  and  once to  my  retrospective  chagrin 
declined prints),  but this very informal shot is a gem.   If 
the rest of the book is as good, roll on Christmas!

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
Tel: +44 273 678203     JANET: stevedc@uk.ac.sussex.syma
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Video: I've Got My Mind Set On You (was:  Cloud 9 questions)
Keywords: Harrison
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:26:16 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I just saw the video for "I've Got My Mind Set On You" last night
on VH1.  George still seems to have a lot a stage fright.  He
looked like someone was holding a gun to his head and forcing
him to do it.  The video was one of the siller ones I've seen, 
with various inanimate objects (doors, swords, stuffed animals) 
dancing to the music.

Question: Are there other ex-Fabs videos making the rounds on
cable TV?  Did Ringo do one for his latest album?

-- 

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Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: st1qp@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Wilbury Vids
Reply-To: st1qp@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:21:48 GMT

Since there seems to be some interest in Harrison videos, here are the
ones he did for the two Traveling Wilbury albums:

Handle With Care
End of the Line
Nobody's Child (Wilburys do not appear)
She's My Baby
Inside Out (This one is really bad)
Wilbury Twist (features many guest stars including John Candy, Whoopi Goldberg,
Eric Idle)
 
-Matt Tighe

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