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From:         Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: electricity

Joe Meyer writes:

  > I haven't seen the data purporting a relationship between GNP and
  > electricity rate.

Try Milton F. Searl, "The Relationship of Electricity to Aggregate Economic
Activity in Industrial Economies", in R.K.Pachauri, ed., _Global Energy
Interactions_, Riverdale Publications, Riverdale, MD, 1987, pp. 602-620.

  > However, if it's simply a correlation, it offers absolutely no proof of
  > a causative relationship.  It seem more likely that GNP drives electricity
  > production, than electricity production driving the GNP--I can't think of
  > any economic benefit for producing more eletricity if economic growth is
  > not already demanding it.

It matters not which does the driving; the point is that the two are related.
Now, whether this relationship includes a causative force by one or the other
(or by both mutually) is a valid point.  The fact that a positive slope in
"Electricity Use vs. GNP" has been seen in every industrial country on earth
where data is available, adds some weight to the hypothesis of a true
relationship however.

Jeremy.

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/* Written  5:15 am  Sep  2, 1992 by tgray in cdp:en.energy */
/* ---------- "--UK Moving Ahead in Wind" ---------- */
UNITED KINGDOM TO PASS U.S.
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Greetings,
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>   > I haven't seen the data purporting a relationship between GNP and
>   > electricity rate.
>
> Try Milton F. Searl, "The Relationship of Electricity to Aggregate Economic
> Activity in Industrial Economies", in R.K.Pachauri, ed., _Global Energy
> Interactions_, Riverdale Publications, Riverdale, MD, 1987, pp. 602-620.
>
>   > However, if it's simply a correlation, it offers absolutely no proof of
>   > a causative relationship.  It seem more likely that GNP drives electricity
>   > production, than electricity production driving the GNP--I can't think of
>   > any economic benefit for producing more eletricity if economic growth is
>   > not already demanding it.
>
> It matters not which does the driving; the point is that the two are related.
> Now, whether this relationship includes a causative force by one or the other
> (or by both mutually) is a valid point.  The fact that a positive slope in
> "Electricity Use vs. GNP" has been seen in every industrial country on earth
> where data is available, adds some weight to the hypothesis of a true
> relationship however.
>
> Jeremy.
>
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> Jeremy Whitlock                        e-mail:  WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.CA
> Dept. of Engineering Physics
> McMaster University                    phone: (416) 525-9140 ext.7140
> Hamilton, Ont.
> CANADA   L8S 4L8
>                    "My thoughts are mine, not Mac's"
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Okay, for the sake of argument, I'll accept your contention that a relationship
exists.  However, it still _does_ matter which does the driving _if_ you're
inferring, as you seem to be, that higher electricity production will result
in a higher GNP.

A positive and indirectly causative relationship _does_ exist between pig iron
production and birthrate, but _only_ because a growing population demands more
consumer products made of steel.  Birth rate is absolutely unaffected by pig
iron production.

Until you provide evidence to the contrary, I'll believe economic growth is
unaffected by energy production.  I agree, however, that energy production is
most definitely affected by economic growth.  A growing population buying new
blenders, automobiles, and bicycle pumps is likely to need more electricity
for production purposes.  Assembly-line workers use toilet facilities--I'll
dare to bet that economic growth is highly related to sewage production as
well.  My point is, "who cares" if industrialization results in higher use of
electricity--this is common sense.

Joe Meyer
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From:         Scott Nettleship <NETTLE@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Restoring SFS to a new filepool
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I'v e been watching the appends over the last week since I got back from
SHARE and doing some checking on my own.  Below is our current position
on the subject.  Commentary on existing methods and future considerations
are greatly appreciated.


 Don't use a 200 cylinder minidisk unless you're sure you will need it. You can
always add more space via FILEPOOL/FILESERV MINIDISK.   FILEPOOL MINIDISK
(new addition in VM/ESA Release 2) does not even
require that the server be stopped. Deleting space gets more cumbersome.
You can do it by using the EXEC mentioned in the first append, but that is a
time consuming process.

 If you want to use FILEPOOL RESTORE, you MUST have the same configuration
you had when you did the FILEPOOL BACKUP.

 If you really want to make the file pool smaller, you have to move all of the
users out of the affected storage group via FILESERV MOVEUSER, and then
permanently disable the storage group. Then you can then change the MDISK
control statements for the minidisks in that storage group to minimally sized
minidisks, freeing dasd space.
For instructions, read the section on p. 288 of the release 1.1 CMS Planning
and Administration Guide, "Removing Space from a File Pool".

 We realize this is a limitation, and we're considering a solution that gives
you the ability to unload a filespace, and allow it to be reloaded to another
file pool. There would be no ties to dasd. Would this solve the problem?

                                  Scott Nettleship
                                  VM/ESA CMS Development
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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: A question
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:48:58 GMT

In article <SFS-L%92082519311627@SEARN.SUNET.SE> Jean Bedard <ADMIN@VM1.ULAVAL.CA> writes:
>An advantage of SYBACK is that the backup of CMS data, either minidisk or SFS,
>(and non-CMS data, by the way) is done by the same program, instead of having
>one (DDR) for minidisks and one (SFS built-in backup) for filepools. I
>suppose the same is true with VM/Backup (is it?).

VMBACKUP from SCI can backup SFS and minidisk files in much the same way,
one filespace/minidisk at a time.  You can restore minidisks to SFS.
This is how I moved my users, long ago.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:56:23 EDT
From:         Jane Dearing <DEARING@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: A question

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:43:40 CDT Galen Tillery said:
>
>We haven't used the restore from backup, but we did find a way to change
>filepool disk sizes (if only by accident).  Last year we had a filepool
>begin to experience bad file problems.  After working with IBM, we decided
>to create a new filepool and copy all the current stuff to the new filepool.
>Since then, I have had to use the process once again due to another filepool
>corruption experience with another filepool.
>
Thank you Galen.  I found the SFSTRANS exec in the CMS Planning and Admin
Guide for VM/ESA.  It would work, but what a messy work around if there
were hundreds of users.

Thank you also Jean for the SYBACK suggestion.  I am trying to work on my
management to get a backup product.  The filepool backup and our in-house
DDR backup sure leave a lot of work for us when an HDA decides to pack
it in.  These backups also assume they will be used to restore back, not
for migration.

I'll be proceeding forward with the next SFS gen anyway.  The advantages
have outweighed the disadvantages.

Jane.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:09:26 EDT
From:         Jane Dearing <DEARING@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Restoring SFS to a new filepool
              26 Aug 1992 13:25:50 EDT from <NETTLE@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:25:50 EDT Scott Nettleship said:
>
> If you want to use FILEPOOL RESTORE, you MUST have the same configuration
>you had when you did the FILEPOOL BACKUP.
>
I found this out.  I only wanted to restore one filepool, leaving the
other empty.  I could not restore unless I made all filepools identical
to they way they were at the time of the backup.

> If you really want to make the file pool smaller, you have to move all of the
>users out of the affected storage group via FILESERV MOVEUSER, and then
>permanently disable the storage group. Then you can then change the MDISK
>control statements for the minidisks in that storage group to minimally sized
>minidisks, freeing dasd space.
>For instructions, read the section on p. 288 of the release 1.1 CMS Planning
>and Administration Guide, "Removing Space from a File Pool".
>
Actually, I wanted to consolidate several smaller extents into one larger
one.  I had added disks as space filled up.  Stuff was scattered all over
the place and I wanted to pull things together.

> We realize this is a limitation, and we're considering a solution that gives
>you the ability to unload a filespace, and allow it to be reloaded to another
>file pool. There would be no ties to dasd. Would this solve the problem?
>
I'm not sure I fully understand the "ties to dasd", but YES!!! I would like
to be able to unload a filespace and reload it somewhere else.

Jane.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:54:53 EDT
From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Restoring SFS to a new filepool
              26 Aug 1992 17:54:07 GMT from <xmas@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:54:07 GMT Mark A. Stevens said:
>In article <SFS-L%92082619302147@SEARN.SUNET.SE> Scott Nettleship
><NETTLE@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM> writes:
>> We realize this is a limitation, and we're considering a solution that gives
>>you the ability to unload a filespace, and allow it to be reloaded to another
>>file pool. There would be no ties to dasd. Would this solve the problem?
>
>No ties to DASD?  I could use further explanation on this.  I'm not sure
>I understand what you mean.
Is this just BARS IBM's try at VMBACKUP and SYBACK?

>
>I'd like to be able to flag a bad track/cylinder/volume to not be used by
>SFS so I could continue long enough to back up the filepool. Maybe even
>tell me what userid(s)/filespace(s) is affected by that bad area.
>
Yes one should be able to tell sfs to down a set of physical blocks
or it should do it automatically. The SFS should be able to report
on   the userid(s), directorys and files damaged. The files and directorys
should be marked with a status that indicates  that they are physically
disabled. This status should be returned to csl calls to access the
files or directorys. For example a call to open the file or a call for
file state info.
A command to the SFS/DFSMS should restore the files, directorys
from the backups. The restore of the broken parts should be allowed
by the owner of the parts and not just someone with admin authority.


>Why?  So that I can look to alternate backups for those damaged or
>missing files when I restore the userid/filespace/filepool.
>
>Thanks for asking.
>--
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From:         Jean Bedard <ADMIN@VM1.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:      Re: A question
              25 Aug 1992 16:33:36 EST from <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

>restoring an entire filepool isn't so bad, but restoring 2'100
>users one @ a time isn't real fun, hence our XAUTOLOG'ing

With SYBACK, you can use full screen menus to send jobs, but you
can also spool a command file to the DVM with the list of restores to
be done. You can then specify up to whatever details you need.

Jean Bedard, C.T.I., Universite Laval, Quebec, Canada
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