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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: MTB:wheels,cogs,misc. NEEDED
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:03:42 GMT

In article <27512@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) writes:
>In rec.bicycles.marketplace, cc5i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Herbert Carroll) writes:
>>-Brake cable stuff (those transperent plastic tubes that cover the
>>exposed cable running over the frame
>Your brake cable set should have enough left over to cover the section
>between the top-tube cable stops.  Use needle-nose pliers to bend away
>some of the cable casing from the teflon liner, then pull the liner
>out of the casing.  I was able to do this with Shimano SLR cables, no
>trouble.  If you have top-tube routed derailleur cables, you'll need
>some more.

i just used heat shrink tubing, available at your local electronics
store.  haven't had any problems.
-teddy
From: mike@scimitar.cchem.berkeley.edu (C. Michael McCallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: REVIEW: Bontrager Ti Saddle
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:58:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: scimitar.cchem.berkeley.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Recently I have seen alot of discussion here about the Bontrager
Ti saddle, and I was kinda suprized that noone seems to have one,
but I just bought one (THANKS Francis!) and thought I would say
a bit about it. I will try to talk about things I have seen about
saddles lately on r.b.m.

(I used to have either a Rolls or a Turbo)

It is light, of course, because it has Ti rails.  No, I didn't weigh
it.  It is lightly padded with a nice leather cover, well-glued (it
has gotten wet already) with no staples.  The shell is cut out,
to save weight like a Flite, but in a different way.  Whereas a Flite
is cut out where the seatpost meets the saddle, on the Bontrager, this
is the only place that isn't.  Kind of an inverse-Flite-cut.  This
makes it *look* even smaller than a Flite, or at least 'odd' IMHO.
I liked this idea, because I have thfatuh, sprinters thighs
and I was worried that they would rub at the cut-out part. 
The normal 'mushroom shape' of the saddle (as viewed from above)
is cut off at the back;  it is almost 'V'-shaped.  I like this too 
because I move around alot on my saddle.  The back of the shell is 
a bit thin, without any stiffening spines, so it is quite flexible.
You have to adjust the rear up a bit to counter this.  I have noticed
that Flites have rails which are angled up when the seat is level.
The Bontrager's rails are level, but you have to angle up the seat a bit.
The nose of the saddle is almost unpadded, which I like for sprinting.
If you have a standard seatpost, you may hate the saddle for the first ride
or two, because it must be adjusted a bit different than your old saddle,
but I have a nice IRD post which makes it very easy to do.

All in all I like this saddle very much and I am glad that I bought it.
From: billc@motatl.UUCP (Bill Cutts)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Manitou 2 and Heavy Rider?
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:31:36 GMT
Organization: Motorola MCG, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

How do you decide which shock to plop down your money for ? :-)

I was almost convinced to buy one of the Marzocci XC400 shocks but I
started talking to the folks in another bike shop and they've almost
talked me into a Manitou2. What I'm worried about with the Manitou is
how much travel I'm going to have left after I weight it with myself.
I like the fact that the new Manitou is lighter and has adjustable
preload, but I'm still not convinced that it will handle my weight well.
I weigh about 250 lbs and was wondering if any other heavy riders had
ridden a Manitou with the stiff elastomers. It seems as though all of
the Manitou riders around here are light and have their shock set up
with spongy bumbers.

Any comments or advice welcome.

Bill.
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From: sft@willow16.cray.com (Steve Tucker)
Subject: TREK BIKES FOR SALE
Originator: sft@willow16
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:46:31 CST


 Seem like I mostly ride my mt. bike these days, so I guess
 it's time to clean out the garage and part with my 2 TREK
 road bikes....

>  TREK Touring Bike
   Model 520 - Trek's only true touring bike.
   24" Reynolds 531 Cro-Moly frame
   Shimano Deore S.I.S. derailleurs & Biopace crankset
   Shimano Deore cantilever brakes
   Avocet Saddle, ToeClips, Pump, Blackburn Rear Rack
   Deep Blue
 
   Almost New (less that 200 miles) - Mint Condition!! (Really!)
   1988 model purchased new in 1989
   $575.00

>  TREK Road Bike
   Model 412 - For Sport, Racing, or Light Touring
   An original TREK with a Hand-Build 24 1/2"
    Silver-Soldered Frame w/Ishiwata CrMo
    Double Butted Main Tubes
   Suntour Vx/VxGT 12 speed Derailleurs
   Dia-Compe Deluxe Side-Pull Brakes
   Avocet Saddle, ToeClips
   Ice Blue

   $175.00 - In Good Shape (appx. 12 years old)

 I'd prefer to sell these locally - MN. - so you could see
 & ride them..... But we'll see what happens.
 Contact me directly with questions, etc. (I don't read the
 net that often, and may miss you reply if posted).
 Cheers!

-- 
 Steve Tucker  :^)                                    o
 Cray Research, Inc.  (My views, not theirs....)   _ /__,              K
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Saddles
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:03:26 GMT

I have about 10,000 miles on a Regal saddle. It is a hard
saddle and since changing to it haven't have a single problem.

Several friends also use this saddle with equally good results.
One of them puts in about 20,000 miles a year.

They are pretty sensitive to the exact position though. One degree
too much tilt one way or the other makes them pretty uncomfortable.
From: cs92mjd@cen.ex.ac.uk (M.J.Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Saddles
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:51:31 GMT
	<MJOHNSTO.92Nov13170348@jenny.shearson.com> <27511@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
	<1992Nov17.035337.4984@wmms.UUCP>
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

My Flite's been in use for 2-3 months in all weathers (UK autumn bordering on
winter) and it's holding up just fine. The only problem is that the saddle 
clamp wears away the underneath of the saddle as it flexes. This is probably
due to the inline (zero throwback) post. Not yet a problem.

Just my 0.02

Mikey D
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"Ride and find where all the freedom has gone..."

Michael J. Davis          |   M.J.Davis@ac.uk.ex.cen
Dept of Computer Science  |   M.J.Davis@cen.ex.uk.ac
University of Exeter      |
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From: gjones@scdt.intel.com (Gary Jones )
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Computer Questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:47:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intel Corp.  -  Santa Clara, CA

Just got a MTB, but will mainly be commuting for now.  I am looking for a 
computer to cover both on/off-road functions.  Main thing I want for the 
commuting is cadence to get in shape during the commute.  I don't see much
need for the altimeter.

Cadence Choices:

CatEye Micro
Avocet 50
Paramount (?)


I liked the display and buttons on the Paramount, which I guess is really 
Schwinn.  I would like to know about reliability / quality.  Anyone ???

I prefer the Avocet 50 over the Micro, but the MUCH higher price and extra
$$ for cadence kit is prohibitive.  

Any other options?  suggestions?

-gary
-- 
Gary A. Jones                                        gjones@scdt.intel.com
CAD Software Engineer                         Intel Corp.  Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Wheels for sale
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:18:04 GMT
Keywords: wheels 

FOR SALE

Wheels

Clinchers
Hubs - Campy record
Rims - Front Mavic MA40,  Rear Mavic Open 4CD

OR

Tubulars
Hubs - Campy record
Rims - Mavic GL330

I would like to sell one or the other, but not both.
$90 either pair.
-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: geoffo@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley)
Subject: Re: Saddles
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: none
	<MJOHNSTO.92Nov13170348@jenny.shearson.com> <27511@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
	<truesdel-161192081128@aux-1.ics.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:36:43 GMT

In article <27511@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David
Mackintosh) wrote about the Flight saddle:

   And it may wear out soon.  I used one from March to October this season
   (~3000 miles) and got it wet a couple of times.

My favourite leather saddle (a Brooks Professional) is ~30,000 miles
old and I swear it is still getting better (it was damn good after the
first 3 months).  

When it rains, I drop a shower cap over it.  Nevertheless, it has
been saturated a number of times and I just make sure it dries slowly
(not in full sun) and I treat it about once a year with Brook's
Proofide (sp?)


geoff o

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	       Phone: +61 2 697 4043	Fax: +61 2 313 7987
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Spoke tension guage
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:22:53 GMT

This winter I am going to work on overhauling my bikes. I want to get a spoke
tension guage (tensiometer). Anybody know where I can order one? Also any
comments, recommendations, etc will be appreciated.

NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Saddles
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<MJOHNSTO.92Nov13170348@jenny.shearson.com> <27511@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:52:21 GMT

In article <27511@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) writes:
   >On the advice of a friend who has ridden many a mile in one, I purchased
   >a Selle Italia Titanium Flite last Summer and I haven't been disappointed.
   >After 2,000+ miles of riding I think I can confidently say when it
   >wears out I'll be purchasing another. Don't let its almost total lack of
   >padding and ultra-featherweight feel fool you, it's a damn good saddle.

   And it may wear out soon.  I used one from March to October this season
   (~3000 miles) and got it wet a couple of times.  The cover (perforated
   leather) came unglued most of the way around the underside perimeter
   of the saddle.  I also found that the leather had worn completely through
   from rubbing against the saddle rails about a third of the way back
   from the nose.  I weigh about 180 lbs so lighter riders may not have
   this trouble.

I try to avoid riding my racing bike in wet/inclement weather. It's still
in pretty good shape because of that. I understand what you mean about
the saddle bracket rubbing the underside. This should only happen if you
have it adjusted towards the rear as I do. The front of this thing sure
is narrow. In fact, the first time I saw one I thought it was designed
as a torture test. Things aren't always what they seem.

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston, System Administrator	mjohnsto@shearson.com
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man." - G.B. Shaw
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow)
Subject: Clement 220 gram Criterium Seta Silk tires for sale
Keywords: Clement Tubular
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:31:01 GMT


I have three Clement Criterium Seta Silk 220 gm Tubulars (two glued
but minimally used and one never glued or used) They are quite old
(probably bought in 1978) but have been store in a cool dry place
and hold air fine. Is anyone interested in these? (Do they even make
Clement tubulars anymore?) If interested call 919 383 3568 or
during working hours call the phone no. in my signiture.

-- 
Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: bschwart@ferris.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz)
Subject: Seeking non-anodized sew-up rims
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:22:07 CST

I'm looking for some rims for a set of track wheels. I'm finding that the
tubular rim market is dominated by rims that are heavier, darker, and more
expensive than I'd like. What I'm hoping to find is something comparable
to the old Arc en Ciel, polished silver, ~360 grams, with eyelets. Dark rims
either weigh 25% more or are extremely fragile and, as Jobst says, to make
up for it they cost more.

I know this seems like an unusual request but I can assure you, there once
was a time when large numbers of big, strong guys rode such rims with no 
problems. Does anybody know of a source for non-anodized, <400 gram tubular
rims?

Bob Schwartz
bschwart@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: alfano@ (Nicholas Alfano)
Subject: Denver Bike Shops
Organization: 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:35:03 GMT

Could some one suggest one or two good bike stores to visit in 
downtown Denver, CO? I am interested in road racing and time
trialing, not mountain biking.

I'm in the market for a new frame among other things.

Thanks

-- 
Nicholas P. Alfano (Nick)
Mail Station 24B, Dept. D47
MPR Teltech Ltd.
8999 Nelson Way				Phone: (604) 293 5342
Burnaby, BC				Fax: (604) 293 5787
Canada V5A 4B5				Email: alfano@mprgate.mpr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: sesh@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Christophe Schlesinger)
Subject: Bike for Sale??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 07:22:57 GMT

I'm posting this to test the waters about a bike I have.  It's a 1990 Diamond
Back Apex with standard Deore DX.  Due to the fact that I bought another bike
on a not-to-be-missed deal, I relegated this bike to campus bike status and
let it get a little out of tune, I'm afraid.  It would be a great bike for 
someone who wants a DX-equipped bike with few actual miles on it for a low 
price who doesn't mind spending a little time to fix it up.  It needs limit
adjustments/cable adjustments, a little cleaning, and maybe new cables, etc.
I might also be amenable to breaking it up and just selling the gruppo to 
someone.  No offers laughed at (though I won't do anything stupid like selling
one derailleur) so if you're interested, e-mail me on internet.  I'm not 
listing any price because it's all "best offer".  




Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Flite Saddles for sale
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:29:17 GMT

pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
: And it's a pretty thin covering at that. IT's is easily torn
: and worn through. For $60-$80, I'd expect it to be a little more
: durable. This ain't no Brooks saddle, folks!

Thank goodness it ain't no Brooks :-) Seriously, I believe complaining
about the Flite's lack of durability is missing the point.  I believe
the design objective was to minimize weight while maintaining reasonable
comfort.  Durability was apparently not a design objective, as evidenced
by the relatively short lived cover, and relatively short lived Ti
rails.  When buying such an item you pay for the weight efficiency,
not the durability of the product.  If you don't want TRS, don't buy
TRS.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com

Glossary:  TRS - Trick Racing Shi###Stuff
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: Chris Tersteeg <ters0003@student.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Need MTB Cranks
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72C48FBB2026513@dialup-slip-1-19.gw.umn.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:35:39 GMT
Organization: University of MN
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:34:33 GMT

I have a Specialized M2 and am looking for a set of high end cranks such
as some Cook Bros RSR of the new Graftons.  I have a set of Bullseye's
now, but the spindle is to short.  So if you want to lose some cranks
drop me mail at ters0003@student.tc.umn.edu.

Thanks.

BTW.  If you want a set of Bullseye's in pretty good shape I'll sell mine
for about $80, new they're over $200, but I bought them used through a
friend so I'm just looking for a little money back.  They fit most steel
bikes using a Shimano, or older Suntour, drivetrain.
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:45:47 -0500 
From: Christopher Herbert Carroll <cc5i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Nashbar MTB rims (good?)

I am looking for a good wheelset for my mountian bike.  I need to keep
my costs down so I was eyeing the shimano deore LX/NA16 rims combo for
sail in Nashbar.
I like the shimano hyperglide system, but I was wondering if the rims
were worth the price.

How do they hold up to heavy abuse?

Thank you for any reply.
-Chris
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: shiba@riffnique.csd.sgi.com (Richard Shiba)
Subject: Re: Saddles
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:48:42 GMT

In <1992Nov17.035337.4984@wmms.UUCP> david@wmms.UUCP (David R. Mayne) writes:
>so I am looking for a saddle with a profile similar to
>the Flite, but a little more endurance. 

>Any suggestions ?

	Bontrager recently came out with a new saddle which, if
	i remember right, was about the same weight as a Flite,
	and is even narrower toward the rear.

		-rich


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Subject: wheels wanted
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:15:34 GMT


   I'm building a bike up for commuting, and I was hoping to find
   a cheap wheelset (used).  I bought a new bike and want to convert
   my old frame for commuting use.  16 miles each way.  I'll keep my
   old wheels as backups for the new bike.  Anyway, please send email if 
   you have something available.

   Also, I mentioned this posting to a friend, and he was interested in 
   upgrading his bike with a new pair of wheels.  He's just getting into the
   sport.

   So the net result is, I'm looking to buy two wheelsets: neither pair 
   needs to be top notch racing wheels.

   Whaddya' got?

   b.katz
   "still no catchy disclaimer"
From: cs92mjd@cen.ex.ac.uk (M.J.Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Camelbak - any good?
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:25:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

Rabbi Bajzheet writes:

   >I've got the opportunity to buy a Camelbak for about $20 (US$10). Are they
   >worth the money? Looks like a nice idea for racing, but... Never seen road
   >racers use them, only mountain bikers. Would it be worth it fotr time
   >trialling?

   >How much do they hold?

 Go for it! Especially at that price. Mine cost 30pounds(UK) :-(. I have seen
time triallists using them. CamelBak claim that it is more aerodynamic than
using two bottles on the frame, and it's lighter. I'm a mountain biker, and
got one because a) I find it difficult to get at bottles on rough terrain (esp.
while racing) and b) the bottle spouts always get covered in crud.

They hold two litres, or 60 fluid ounces. It weighs about 5lb when full, but
you don't really notice the weight.

Hope this helps...

Mikey D

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"Ride and find where all the freedom has gone..."

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Dept of Computer Science  |   cs92mjd@cen.ex.uk.ac
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From: gemmell@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Gemmell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: For sale: 22in CrMo road frame with fork
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:02:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu



I'm selling a Panasonic
frame and fork (and headset).
  The dimensions
are 22in ctoc seat tube and
22in ctoc top tube

 The frame is blue and white and
 made out of Tange II
double butted chromemoly.
The fork is Tange chromemoly.
The headset has no visible name.

I'm not sure what to ask, but I'll 
try $60 obo.

Pete Gemmell
510-848-2651
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: MTB:wheels,cogs,misc. NEEDED
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:04:37 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, cc5i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Herbert Carroll) writes:

>-Brake cable stuff (those transperent plastic tubes that cover the
>exposed cable running over the frame

Your brake cable set should have enough left over to cover the section
between the top-tube cable stops.  Use needle-nose pliers to bend away
some of the cable casing from the teflon liner, then pull the liner
out of the casing.  I was able to do this with Shimano SLR cables, no
trouble.  If you have top-tube routed derailleur cables, you'll need
some more.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: drogers@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Daty Rogers)
Subject: Re: Anyone besides Sears selling NON-mountain bikes in Boston area?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:41:35 GMT

   I'm in Texas and received this message. Last I knew Texas was NOT
in Yankee territory. Something's awfully scwewey round here!
                                       Daty

>
>In the future, you might want to limit this type of posting to the
>Boston area.  I restricted the reply to New England (Distribution: ne),
>as I didn't think someone in Australia needed to waste their time reading
>this.
>
>Karen Walrath
>MIT
>


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles
From: cadyj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: For Sale:50cm Trek 2500 frame
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:25:52 GMT



    I have a Trek 2500 frame for sale. It is a 50cm c-top of tube. It has 
seven tubes of carbon with polished alum. lugs and fork. The tubes are
slightly oversized to make it a little stiffer. The frame is very lite
and climbs quite well.  The geometry is the same as the 2300 or 2100.
I used it from April to Septemeber. I was looking to get $550 for it.
I think that is a good deal seeing that TVT's and looks go for over a thousand.
If you have any questions e-mail me.

joe cady