HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Need Dr.T's information
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:48:04 GMT
Reply-To: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams)
Organization: Center for Neural Systems, Memory, and Aging

Sort of urgent information needed, please:

Does anybody know if the older Dr.T patches are compatible with
the newest (I don't even know how "new") Dr.T editor/librarion
package called "Xor" or "exor" or ...?  This is the package
which replaced all of the older individual synth editor/librarians,
and I'm interested in importing patches from a specific synth editor.

And are these patches campatible between the various machine types,
e.g. IBM -vs- Mac -vs- Atari -vs- ...? ie, files created with Xor
on a given system would be able to be read on an alternate system
when transferred?

(I could probably find out from Dr.T, but they are closed for the day
and it is kind of a rush to find this out.)

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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Michael Williams, michael@nsma.arizona.edu
University of Arizona's Division of Neural Systems, Memory & Aging
344 Life Sciences Bldg, North
Tucson, AZ 85724
(602)626-2611
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From: jvb@wyse.wyse.com (Jack Van Breen x2666 dept220)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Who synth usage on Who's Next
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:48:40 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <1992Apr9.105303.7494@hemlock.cray.com> dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak) writes:
>
>Pete was very into sequencers.  Does anyone know what was used to do
>Eminence Front? (prophet5? and ?)
>

Tim Gorman does!! (he's the one playing it:)(grin:)  Unfortunately, after
he left my band to go do that album, I lost touch with him;-( If it's
Really Important, I could look him up:):)

-- 
Jack Van Breen (standard disclaimer, these are my own ...)
Product Support, Wyse Technology, San Jose, CA
...!uunet!wyse!jvb
jvb@wyse.com
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: JV-80
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:43:46 GMT
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol

In article <9204071458.AA19885@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
[ ... ]
>The problem with the JV-80 is that
>it is just another 'me-too' unit which is rather limited, and when compared,
>say, to a D-70, makes you wondering in which direction Roland is really
>'progressing'.

OK, I'll bite.  In what way is the JV-80 limited compared to the D-70?  I'm
extremely keen to know.  My first attempt at figuring this out was calling
Roland, and the guy I spoke to really couldn't come up with much difference
in the synthesis engine (I know about the differences in the UI, samples, etc.)

I really really really would like to know the answer to this.

                                   - Neil

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att!edsel!nsw or nsw@edsel.att.com   \X/    the greatest thing since?
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:7948 rec.music.makers:5631 comp.music:2414
From: buzz@fsrg.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,comp.music
Subject: Re: ... Let's get USENET Recording '92 rolling ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:33:04 GMT
	<1992Apr14.004928.29127@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Reply-To: buzz@fsrg.bear.com
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.
In-reply-to: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 14 Apr 92 00:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.004928.29127@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) writes:

   >	So, if people are getting depressed about not being on the
   >last USENET recording, it must be time to think about the next one,
   >eh?


   Having only re-subscribed to this newsgrope a few weeks ago, I get the feeling 
   that I missed something.  Methinks that something is/was a compilation tape.
   I want to know more.  Perhaps there are others like me who would like a copy of 
   the '91 USENET tape.  Please post more information.  Thanks.

   Barry Sanders
   bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu


Hear hear  :-)  from NYC!  Let the net know about both '91 and '92 
compilations.
--
"Usually this is a couple of lines." -Well paid consultant.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Seeking weird analog synth
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:59:05 GMT

Serge and Bucchla also made devices that might fit the general description
posted. One of these guys still lives in San Francisco and is is still making
synths like this. 

  - malcolm 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.bluenote
From: lrm28@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: How Engineers make music
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:26:21 GMT

A good example of music made by engineers would be the first two Boston
albums.  The arrangements and solo music are...meticulous.  Every note
is in its place.  Guitarist Tom Scholz formed SRD to manufacture the
Rockman line of equipment.  Both albums are excellent!  Yet, there is
a certain sterility in his tone and content; maybe it's too precise.

I'm an engineer, also.  I try to get the scales right and try not to
solo in the wrong key, and I know bunches of theory.  My best solos,
though, come when I set the rules aside, reach deep into the grab bag,
and play what _feels_ right.  Sure, instead of the 1.5 step bend, it only
went a step and a quarter.  That's what made that solo different and
special.  Playing nothing instead of the 38-note speed scale is an
eye-opening experience.

Boy, am I gonna get it _now_.
-- 
Luke Mayercin   lrm28@cas.org  "Why is there an ON/OFF switch on my U.P.S?"
Chemical Abstracts Service is not responsible for these comments.
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:46:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns) writes:

>In article <11597.9204051137@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:

>   From: ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle)
>   Date: 5 Apr 92 11:37:42 GMT
>   >From: Dan Harkless
>   >Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
>   >
>   >In article <1992Apr1.193934.4285@jsp.umontreal.ca> u1471@jsp.umontreal.ca
>   >(Leclerc Marco) writes:
>   >>
>   >>J'ai une question:
>   >>	Lorsque j'essaie d'utiliser IRC sur un Apollo, je recois le
>   >>message suivant:
>   >>	"No termcap found for Apollo"
>   >>ou quelque chose du genre.
>   >>
>   >>Qu'est-ce que ca veut dire?????
>   >

Well, hope everybody had his/her laugh in following-up with ***articles full
of nonsense. Apparently nobody out there is able to read French or willing to
translate the original message so as to help a french netter... Sad, isn't it?

This is a kind of translation (I don't speek French fluently either):

   I got a question:
      When I try to use IRC on an Apollo, I get this message:
      "No termcap found for Apollo"
   or something like this.
   What does this mean?

Anybody willing to help this person, instead of writing kasdhk ajkewi asjkh??


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra - Department of Philosophy
University of Utrecht - The Netherlands
USENET: hjv@phil.ruu.nl   * don't worry about life; it's not permanent *
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: steve@digibd.com (Steve Wahl)
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:49:40 GMT

On the talent vs. equipment issue (and whether posession of one
corelates with posession of the other), I have decided lately that
I posess even less ability than equipment,  and that I should work
at my abilities before spending more money on equipment.  (Although
that Alesis D-4 is still naging me).  Sequencers can be really useful
(if disappointing) in listening to yourself and how well(?) you play.
I feel like I'm sloppy, my 16th note runs don't have an even tempo
when I want them to, and my pinky's are not nearly as strong as my
thumbs.

I took some piano lessons in elementary and high school, and have
been thinking about starting lessons again.  However, the only keyboard
I have is a VFX, with its 5 octave synth-weight keys.  Will piano
teachers accept someone who doesn't have access to a real piano?
Does anyone have any hints in finding a teacher for adults?

--> Steve
-- 
Steve Wahl               steve@digibd.com
Digi International, Inc.
Eden Prairie, MN         (612) 943-5387
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: LP Stereo
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:38:03 GMT
	<1992Apr7.040440.17691@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Apr7.233945.19567@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu's message of 7 Apr 92 23:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.233945.19567@en.ecn.purdue.edu> defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul D. DeFrain -- aka master guru) writes:

   That would be left-right and up-down for stereo.

No - each stereo track maps to one groove, so it's top-left-to-bottom and
top-right-to-bottom. In-phase stuff (equal on both channels) maps to left-right
movement, which is why you can see deep bass drones as horizontal wiggles in
the tracks. Antiphase is up-down, a lot more difficult to track, which is
why antiphase bass is practically impossible to record on LP.

Nick.
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From: jonjen@Lise.Unit.NO (Jon Olav Jenssen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland S-550 operating system version ??
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:25:37 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Hello world!!

I've just bought myself a S-550, and I'm wondering what the newest version
of the operating system is.
The version I've got is 1.12

By the way,
has anybody had any trouble with the RGB-TTL-video-out on the S-550 ??

I connected my S-550 to a Philiphs CM-8833 color monitor which have a RGB-TTL-video
in, and it did work just fine until I entered a screen with graphics on the bottom
half, f.ex. the edit-screens. Then the display was rather distorted, it looked like
the Pacific Ocean when blowing hard.

The normal PLAY-standard-screen is perfect with no distortion.

The CM-8833 has also got a SCART-connector, is there any way of using this instead
of the TTL-RGB??

(When I'm using the S-550's monochrome out, the display is fine in all screenmodes,
 but I want to run in color, I like it better that way...)


I hope anybody out there has a solution!!

Greetings to all of you!!

Jon Jenssen,
Trondheim,
Norway

jonjen@lise.unit.no
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What, me whine?
Summary: Oh bash Oh flame Oh fun fun fun
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:28:50 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <9204150343.AA06306@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>[...].  You know, the only time I ever see anti-computer
>bashing posts in this newsgroup is when people attack Macs. 

C'est WHAT?! Where were you the last time some poor slob had the incredibly
bad idea to call the Amiga a game-playing machine with no potential at all?
By the time we were able to shoot Dan full of tranqs and stuff him back in
his cage, there wasn't enough left of the scorched corpse to put in an URN!

I'm sticking with my Amiga for now. It works well and cheaply, and by the 
time I actually own enough gear and have enough free time to justify 
setting up an OMS system with a Studio Plus 5, used Macs with 030s will
be cheap enough not to matter. In the meantime I'm getting a 3000UX with
a multiserial card, and lighting a fire under Talin for MusicX 2.0....


--
metlay    | 
@minerva. |                      G*R*A*S*P*!
phyast.   | 
pitt.edu  |
From: tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: For Sale: Multimoog, Mono/Poly
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:56:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BMKLAr.61y
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA


  Multimoog ------   $300  obo.
  Korg Mono/Poly --  $300  obo.  -  This is a 4 oscillator + noise source
                                    machine.  2 LFO's, 2 ADSR envelope 
                                    generators, VCF (24dB/octave), arpegg.,
                                    cross modulation, 3 1/2 octave kbd,
                                    2 wheels, mono output.

  R-8 w. 1 RAM, 2 ROM  -- $475
  K5m ------------------- $300   -  comes with IBM PC based editor
  Cheetah 5V  ----------  $350
  Boss RPS-10 Stereo pitch shift/delay --- $75
  dbx 563x (The silencer)  --------------- $75

please leave e-mail if any questions, etc.  Thanks
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: RDAT Pro vs RDAT consumer vs. SVHS
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:08:44 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations


Get the DA-30... For the price (which looks like a used price to me), 
it's the best... I mastered my CD, Damned Souls on a DA-30 with only one
problem... The Clipping levels are off a bit... make sure you leave your
self at least 1DB headroom and NOT 0 db... other then that, the DA-30 is
an excellent machine.

I just bought a Panasonic SV-3700 over the DA-30 as I needed something 
that I know is guaranteed to work with Sound Tools, and the DA-30 might 
not work with the digital DAT backup software.

I also used to work with Hi-Fi tape. Bad move for me. If you listen to 
Damned Souls, you'll notice I work extensively with sub frequencies.
On even a good S-VHS HiFi, you'll get a muddy, farting noise... pretty
nasty...

Go DA-30... for the price, you can't loose.

<X>orcist

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: dart@lock60.UUCP (Darius Taghavy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Excuse me???  (re: --> SALE: proteus,proformance,tg77,dss1,lxp1,vp70,avalon,midiquest)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:57:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: lock60.802
Reply-To: dart@lock60.Schuylkill.Canal.Org (Darius Taghavy)
Organization: Lock #60 on the Schuylkill Canal, Mont Clare, PA, USA

In article <1992Apr6.204744.28294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
>In article <".6-Apr-92.13:57:09.EDT".*.Marc_W._Webster.henr801c@Xerox.com>  
>webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM writes:
>> 
>> >                  * HARDWARE SALE *
>
>Hmmm... I once tried to close a deal with Darius on the VP-70,
>but he would ignore email for weeks at a time... and then contact

 >me again.  After several reps, I gave up and bought something better

> ....

 Sigh. Dear Nathan, it's true. I closed a deal with you (I guess it was
 about 9 months ago) and I did not sent the VP-70 out for some three or
 for weeks. I got completely swamped at work. So I didn't send it, let
 alone get on usenet or read mail. When I got back with you, you had under-
 standably given up and gotten something else.

 I thought I gracefully expressed I was sorry then, but here it goes
 again for the whole net to hear: Dear Nathan, I'm SORRY!

-dart

e-mail: dart@canal.org           voice: (215)430-7040
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Via: sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:49:47 +0100
Via: dcs.leeds.ac.uk (csvax1.ARPA); Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:54:56 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:50:12 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: practicing vs. programming (was: Usenet tape depression)
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

>From: Patrick Robinson <pgr@EDU.VT.EXT.RAMANDU>
>Subject: Re: practicing vs. programming (was: Usenet tape depression)

>
>Himmer bugglidork whunkuh huff "piano" bifpig.  Nub whappie?
        ^^^^^^^^^^

Aggler! hiffofuof "buggliBork" hufu mawarri.
                         ^
Horf horf horf

Ross-c
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: midi under windows 3.
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:21:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: les.birmingham@canrem.com's message of 14 Apr 92 08:20:57 GMT

In article <199214.823.16439@dosgate> les.birmingham@canrem.com (les birmingham) writes:

   I believe that
   Win 3.1 is going to lead a HUGE shift from the Mac to the IBM for Music.

Why?

   It's about time, too!

Again, Why?

One of the areas where the Mac wins is the MIDI networking environment
(MIDI Manager, OMS); does Windows 3.1 have something similar?

Nick.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.222907.23749@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
|> I got the liner notes in the e-mailbox today.
|> 
|> It feels like I'm the only person on the face of the earth with less than a
|> kazillion synths and/or a personal digital studio at my disposal and the
|> only net musician doing technopop.  And for the second year in a row, the
|> moment I dropped my submission in the mail, I realized it sounded rather
|> blah and uninspired, or technically flawed, or unfulfilling for whatever
|> reason.
|> 

Well, engineers have money and equipment. Talent ? Who knows ? I used to 
work with a guy who kept inviting me over to play and when I finally got
there, I was blown away because he had 4 or 5 synths, a 16 track Tascam
of some kind, stacks of amps, loads of guitars, basses, drums, cables
going everywhere. His favorite groups were the Gogo's, Bangles, and
Joan Jett (must be hormonal). He could barely play barre chords. Another
engineer I know who I would classify as an advanced beginner recently bought
a guitar amp and wouldn't you know it, he bought a Marshall Stack. I tried
to talk him out of buying a stack telling him that his playing would
improve if he bought something portable and could take it places to
jam with but he had his mind made up. Engineers make lots of money (Present
company excluded of course). They usually have lots of toys. This does
not mean that they can make better music necessarily. The best music
comes from the soul, not the pocketbook.

Many poor musicians make up for their lack of talent by having really
expensive equipment. I often wonder what these people would sound
like on an acoustic instrument. Another friend of mine does really
"breathy" WAV format instrumentals. When I listen to them, I often
wonder when the melody is going to start. Technically, it's great.
Great sounds, good programming, etc; but to me it has no feeling. I
am going to get flamed up the wazoo for this, but I think that too
many people waste alot of time programming their synths and worrying
about the latest and greatest equipment (including me from time to 
time) when they should be concentrating on learning about the music.
I think every musicians goal should eventually be to have total
command of their instrument (and I don't mean programming).

-Jaz (Fire-proof suit ready)

-- 

                       (Chasin' the Trane)

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From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:26:20 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes:

> In article <JHZ8iB6w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinn
> >Everybody that wants a WAVE, raise your hand.       w
> >                                                    |
> >                                                   /
> > 
> >           :)
> > 
> >Five
> >
> >;--- (skinny puppy) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
> >;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
> >;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
> 
> Five,  no wonder your so into modular synths and Industrial type music:
> The secret is out... You only have 2 fingers!  
> 
> DISCLAIMER:  No offense intended to people with only two fingers
> DISCLAIMER:  No offense intended to players of industrial music
> DISCLAIMER:  No offense to people who lay on their side and smile alot.
> :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
> Doug                                  See, i've been paying attention
> :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
 
The secret's out!  I have only 2 fingers, and 1 hand!  It's a real bitch 
trying to unplug patch cords and repatch them, while playing a note on 
the modular's keyboard, with only 2 fingers!  Luckily, I can still hold 
my cigarette at the same time!
 
       :)  - lying on my side.
 
 ---------------------------------------
 \FIVE-Aural     \ A' modular I will go, \
  \     Research  \ "Hrrrrr-moble-eeeble" \
   \     Foundation\ Horf, horf, horf.     \
    -----------------------------------------


;--- (skinny puppy) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: How Engineers make music (was Usenet Tape depression sets in)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:43:18 GMT

In article <35042@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> tmfm writes:
>I think you're right, engineers do approach music algorithmically. It
>probably is because we are accustomed to work everything exactly, within
>precise rules and parameters, and here we are in this game of inspiration,
>of unbounded rules.
>
>I had so many problems with my band because I kept (and still keep)
>"planning" music carefully, approaching it like a mathematical problem
>(okay, this goes here, but... if I put this here, then that goes there,
>which means this part must be like this). The rest of my band created
>light, "free" songs, totally different from my approach.
>
>However, I believe planned music has an advantage (or is it a
>disadvantage?) in that it usually is more complex than simple music
>(No, I don't want to get flamed! Please!!! 8-} )

Certainly through-composed music can be made more
complex (or at least more intentionally complex) than improvised music
simply because the composer has more control over more elements of the
music.  On the other hand, with through-composed music there is no
chance of producing the kind of spontaneous brilliance that charac-
terizes, say, the best jazz performances.  I don't know that you can
say that complexity is an advantage or disadvantage.  I do feel 
strongly, though, that your own musical vocabulary should be
complex enough (or perhaps "broad enough") that it is not what
limits your creativity.  To my ears, there's a big difference in
music that is simple by design and music that is simple due to
ignorance.

bgood 



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