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From: jason@cray.com (Jason Parker)
Subject: Philadelphia Eagles wk1
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:32:09 CDT

(posted on behalf of Terry Kent - kenttj@cnsvax.uwec.edu)

TEAM
Philadelphia Eagles (1-0)

NEXT OPPONENT
at Phoenix

Game Summary

        New Orleans  Philadelphia*
Pts          13          15
Rushing    16-55       40-186
Pass Att  12-30-2      18-25-0
Pass Yds    147          134
Fum Lost     0            4
Possess    22:13        37:47

PASSING
Cunningham  18-25-0-165 PP

RUSHING
Walker      26-114
Sherman      8-50
Cunningham   6-22

RECIEVING
Byars        6-60
Barnett      4-50 T
Walker       4-28 T
Williams     3-23
Dixon        1-4

KICKING
Ruzek    F(18)

SUMMARY
The loss of Jerome Brown helped inspire the Eagles to a tough win.  The Eagles' 
one-back set proved beneficial to Walker, who showed why he earns his millions. 
 Philadelphia's defense and running attack
were excellent.

Source: Chicago Tribune

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From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Subject: Re: We ARE Part of the team (was Re: HAIL THE BROWNS)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:34:28 GMT

In article <Adriene.82.0@Yale.EDU>, Adriene@Yale.EDU (Adriene Nazaretian - GO GIANTS) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry I completely disagree.  Yes you ARE a member of the team, when you are 
|> a fan.  I always use "WE" when talking about "MY" NY Giants team.  
|> 
|> Good fans should consider themselves part of the team. I guess you just 
|> arent in that catagory.  You are probably just a bandwagon hopper, a fair 
|> weather fan who comes around when YOUR team is doing well.

I'm a Packer fan.  Have been since I was about five years old.  I can't remember
the last time I missed a Packer game; I've either watched or listened or taped
every single game for probably the last ten years.  Packer fans are as un-fair
weather as you can get seeing as how they've only had 3 winning seasons in 
about the last 20 years.

|> 
|> We help psych the team up, we are there for them, as much as they are 
|> for us.

Do you really think Lawrence Taylor or Phil Simms gets psyched up during the
game thinking about you sitting at home in front of your tv?  If you do, you're
living in a fantasy world.  

|> 
|> Broadcasters are another story, because they are supposed to be impartial.
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SchmEagles Fans
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:50:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92037@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Well, true to my predictions, the fans at Veterans Stadium truly proved 
>themselves to be the biggest bunch of brain-dead idiotic morons on the face
Stuff Deleted....
satish, i completely agree with you that it should be a fun atmosphere
and like the one oyu are describing. But the point I am trying to make
is that do you really believe that the guys who are doing the stuff
see your posting???
>Next time, I'll bring my oozie ...
>
>satish nair

-Rajeev

E*A*G*L*E*S MARCH ON....
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Philly/Redskin matchup best of weekend
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:45:44 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Just a preview of this week's Philly Wash. game.  

	Eagles are better team entering game, but Redskins showed promise
of return with MNF's pasting of the Broncos.  Redskins still suffering from
team wide injuries, and riding emotional high may hit Eagles team looking
to destroy someone in revenge for last week's poor, flat showing.  
	Only way to beat Eagles is with the pass, but unlike KC, Eagles won't
be automatically thinking run against Redskins.  Safety's Waters, and Hopkins
are easy enough to victimize with play action if they believe you want to run.
	Loss of LT Jim Lachey may kill Redskins as Mo Elwonibi must make first
career start in replacement against DE Clyde Simmons.  If Redskins give him
TE, or Rb help, it may allow Reggie White a big game on the other side.  Also,
by being forced to keep TE in to help pass block, Eagles automatically take Orr
out of game, and force Warren to stay in.  Warren is a poor receiver.  
	If redskins are alive in 4th quarter, they will probably take the game
as Lohmiller, despite slow start still has killer leg.  Eagles will try to
avoid letting it come to that by knocking Rypien around in pocket.  If hurryed
Rypien will make poor reads, and force balls downfield looking to make
something happen.
	Defensively, Redskins must do what they always do to Cunnigham, contain
his scrambles, and hurry him.  Not as easy to do now that Eagles have
legitimate rusher in Walker.  Redskins stand good chance to win if they are
close at the half, but if Eagles jump out early, Redskins stand little chance
of coming back.
	-Skins fan with one thing to say: "WAY TO GO MONK!!!"
From: sortland@soda.berkeley.edu (Stefan Sortland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Teams of the Decade and 4 team divisions
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:23:40 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: hmmm


	So, the Steelers are the "Team of the 70's"
	    the 49ers are the "Team of the 80's"

	Common denomenator? Both played in 4 team divisions..

	Anyone think that playing in a 4 team division,
	with fewer division rivals to worry about makes
	for sizable advantage for a team???

	I probably am not the first to notice this, but what
	do people make of this?

Stefan
From: ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Karl Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: EVERYONE READ THIS!
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:35:38 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am running a pool to which I have had a rather limited response in the
last two weeks.  If you would like to enter, e-mail me and I will send
you a complete copy of the rules, including info on how it is scored,
etc.

A shortened version:  to enter, list the games for the week, which I
will post in my summary of the previous week entitled NFL POOL Results,
list your predicted winner first, loser second, and what you think the
spread will be.  E-mail them to me at ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu

Erik Witte
<ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Rules Question??
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:39:17 GMT

In <lcektrINNrtc@west.west.sun.com> kevin@fastlane.West.Sun.COM (Kevin Janssen SUN Phoenix CSD 602-275-5537 x36) writes:

>Rules Question regarding blocked punts and muffed punt receptions.  When
>a punt is blocked and the punting team recovers the ball the ball belongs
>to the receiving team Why?  I don't have a rules book, but it seems that 
[]
>punt was on third down, who gets the ball?  What if the blocked punt goes 
>past the first down marker and is recovered by the punting team, who gets
>the ball?

A block is usually in the vicinity of the neutral zone and as such,
is defined not to allow the kickers to recover the ball (if it
crosses the neutral zone).  So the receivers get the ball due to
illegal touching violation at any spot of touching by the kicking team.

>In the same light, if the receiving team muffs a punt, but the ball is 
>not punted past the first down marker and is recovered by the punting
>team who gets the ball?  Logic would say that there was no possesion 
>change and the ball goes to the receiving team on downs.

After any muff or fumble by the receiving team after the kick the 
ball belongs to the team in posession when the ball becomes dead, 
1st and 10.  The continiuty of the downs is broken after the kick
has been touched by a receiving team player beyond the neutral
zone.
--
************************************************************************
* The night sky over the planet Krikkit is the least interesting sight *
* in the entire Universe.  -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                     *
************************************************************************
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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Please Go Away Esiason...
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:19:56 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Esiason *sucks*  (I know, I know you all are deathly tired of hearing
me say taht but, I"m tired of putting up with him.   I must say one
thing for him he's consistant.. week after week, interception after
interception.  I thought the blowout was going to be huge but, he 
did make a minor comeback (again toward the end of the first half).
this doesnt' mean I wasn't happy to see him injured (nothing personal)
So was the rest of the stadium... we actually applauded as he left 
the field injured.  (It's a cold cruel world)  But, then came Hollas,
he scrambled, he scraped he'd be fourth and 12 and still get the first
down.  I don't want to see Esiason again and anytime he steps on the 
field I'm becoming an instant convert to a fan for the other team.
(Except when we play Cleveland..)

The defense sucked today too, I miss Ray Bently
Alex
From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Don't give up on the Bills.
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:15:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In Article 32068, Ross Smith writes ...
>...
>Okay shithead... heres the FACTs before last week:
>              pts allowed  games  avg allowed
>              -----------  -----  -----------
>Philadelphia      27         3        9.00
>New Orleans       44         4       10.00
>Buffalo           45         4       11.25
>... 

The FACT is that 44/4 = 11
If you can distort first grade math, then I sure as hell don't
believe any of your football stats quotes....

 
--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: JETS vs INDIANAPOLIS
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.123853.5287@sarah.albany.edu> pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L) writes:
>Being a true Jets fan, my hopes for their utter destruction of the Colts
>may be blinded. I do feel that the Jets have a satrong enough, not great, 
>offense to score more than 20 pts against the young Colts defense.
>However, I am worried about Indi's no-huddle offense implanted by Marchibella.
>I am interested in your comments on the Indi offense vs. the Jets defense.

In my opinion, the no-huddle offense caused more problems for Indy than
for the Jets.  The Jets' offense was lackluster.  The game was not nearly
as close as the score.

-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
egg@inuxy.att.com
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From: psilva@techbook.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Eagles were beaten by bad luck, not the Chiefs!
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:12:32 GMT















  Just kidding.  ;^) 
  

  ...Paul  


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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rating the QBs)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:13:53 GMT

In <1992Oct9.090458.1607@comp.lancs.ac.uk> marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:

>Does anyone else think that Rice isnt as productive because of Steve
>Young?? Is there something about the way he throws that makes Rice not
>his key target??

I don't think so.  The Young-to-Rice combo has been successful in the
past.  I suspect that Rice's drop-off in production so far this season
is based on two key facts:  Rice missed camp, and is still finding his
"groove", and Taylor is out, which means that Rice is drawing even
heavier than usual coverage.

-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: CUT BRUCE LOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:37:24 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

Coslet must go, at the end of the season to give him a fair chance,
his offense does NOT work, the plays take too long to run, that is why
Nagle looks like he is always under pressure, I believe his offense 
worked with Cincy because he had to filter it through Wyche.
I never see them throwing screen passes or especially GOING DOWNFIELD!!!
All they throw are these intermediate passes that the defense picks up
on eventually and that's all they cover, I thought the defense played
extrememly well for being on the field as long as they were.
They never try to sustain the running game, as soon as there is one 
bad play they abandon it, and they don't leave running backs in the
game either. I AM SICK OF THIS (*%*$#@*. They shouldn't make the same
mistake they made with Walton, don't wait 'till seven years of
suffering, coslet must go, CUT BRUCE LOOSE,

Greg 

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Browns MUST win against Steelers
Keywords: Win or be assured of a high draft pick
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:21:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.143256.13505@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>loses this one, I could see only 2 or 3 wins this year.  They really blew
>it against Indy, a team anybody should beat.  It will be interesting to see

I think the jury is still out on the Colts.  Tampa is not a bad team
and the Colts took care of then too.

			Eric


-- 
Eric Sybesma
University of Michigan
sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: u910779@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Rob Torok)
Subject: Scores of all matches this season
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:34:05 GMT


I'm after a listing of all matches played this season and their scores.  Could
anyone with such a list please Email me?

Thanks,
Rob
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Painful, yet positive, *icednotes*
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:42:14 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct7.172253.2331@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
> In article <1av19bINNd43@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>>Okay, Okay, so I was taking a two day sabatical....
>>* The Cowboys released NYGiants spy Bobby Abrahms today.  It is
>>not known who will take his roster spot, but if there isn't a 
>>trade in the works (yes, the trading deadline approacheth),
>>it could be Jimmy Smith.  I expect Ace to go on IR this week and
>>for Smith to come off though, so the roster spot is still a 
>>mystery to me.  Abrahms had played a bit on special teams but
>>didn't do much to impress me or the coaches.
>>
> 
> Wright was cleared for practice this week after running pass routes 
> yesterday with no swelling.

	Alexander Wright was traded according to the USA today. What did the
coboys get for him?  Also, I like to read each original post, and at least
glance at changes in Re: stuff, coule you keep the iced noted to a minimum of
12,000 lines?  I want to get done before I am old and grey.
	-Skins fan with only one thing to say: "WAY TO GO MONK!!!"
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Still need TE is Shannon Sharpe a TE o
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:50:43 GMT
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article 91509@rphroy.ph.gmr.com, jcollins@sparkle.tnis (Jon Collins CT/90) writes:
>Shannon Sharpe is definately a WR.  I just picked him up this week for my fantasy team.  Hopefully he will keep his average up with The Vance back!
>
>Jon
>

So because you have him on your fantasy team as a TE he is a TE?  In the Chiefs
game he was listed as a TE and all my friends in Denver say he is a TE and I even 
read in the USAToday that the Broncos drafted him to be a TE (though I don't 
agree that is why they drafted him).

nate
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Wild cards
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 16 OCT 92 13:22:19    

In article <1bkoleINNhpu@agate.berkeley.edu>, rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes...

> Its unfortunate that the level of argument is so mediocre in this group that
> even a rational, well-thought-out analysis is met with cries of "whiner" or
> ad hominem attacks or cliches. 

Well said.

> Have 2 wildcards for each conference instead of the present 3 and have
> two "floating" wildcards for the best teams of the remainder in the league.  
> These will be determined by criteria similar to those used presently
> (i.e record, head-to-head ,common opponents etc.).
>
> This prevents total domination by one conference (which is unlikely in
> any event) and also prevents crappy teams like the Jets from being
> in the playoffs (c'mon, 8-8 gets you into the playoffs? Give me a break!)

I don't have a suggestion for a wildcard formula.  I'd just like to 
point out that the problem isn't really with an 8-8 team getting into 
the playoffs.  It's with a 10-6 team not getting in when an 8-8 team 
does.  This is going to happen anyway with the divisional system the NFL 
has.  The only way to avoid it is to have a Super Bowl tournament like 
they had in the strike season.

I personally would like to see wildcards eliminated and the top 2 
teams in each division play a divisional championship game.  I don't 
think this proposal would be popular with anybody but the NFL though 
(more playoff games -> more money).
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Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Power Ratings
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:14:40 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Here are the computer program's "power ratings" for all NFL teams as of
today.  The #1 team is somewhat of a surprise, especially to those who
rank teams strictly by record.
===


             NFL Team Ratings 


      Team           Off  Def  Total

      Washington      36   30   66
      San Francisco   39   24   63
      Philadelphia    29   31   60
      Buffalo         37   20   57
      Kansas City     29   28   57
      New Orleans     19   37   56
      Houston         31   22   53
      Miami           31   22   53
      Dallas          27   22   49
      Atlanta         29   19   48
      Detroit         26   21   47
      L.A. Raiders    16   28   44
      Minnesota       26   17   43
      N.Y. Giants     24   19   43
      Chicago         23   17   40
      Pittsburgh      15   25   40
      Denver          15   24   39
      Cleveland       15   22   37
      San Diego       14   21   35
      L.A. Rams       14   18   32
      Green Bay       13   18   31
      N.Y. Jets       12   18   30
      Tampa Bay       15   14   29
      Seattle          6   22   28
      Cincinnati      19    8   27
      Phoenix         16   11   27
      Indianapolis     2   21   23
      New England      3   16   19
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: <None>/innane Dallas-Philly woofers
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:00:56 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Oct12.141305.3739@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>           2) You are going to lose a bunch of games this year. The first one
>>              should be in KC. KC is going to beat you really bad.
> 
> 	They lost in KC because they were coming of an emotionally draining
> game on Monday, had less time to prep for KC , and KC showed up ready to play. 
> The Eagles played flat, and that was the ONLY reason that KC won
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess that excuse only works for Beagle fans.

Other teams NEVER have "flat" games.  Eh?

Brian



Organization: Univ Rel - Kathleen, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:39:42 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?

How about "Can the Bills go 8-8?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Rules-question
Keywords: Rules,kick-off
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:27:42 GMT

killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>"When a fair catch is declared for a team, the capitain must choose
>(and his first choice is not revocable) either:
>(a) A free kick (punt, drop kick or placekick without "Tee"), or
>(b) A snap to next put the ball in play."
>
>And you can do this even if time has expired...think of a short punt
>from the offensive end zone that is caught on their own 40 with
>time [etc]

Once again, this is exactly what happend not too long ago and in front
of millions of TV viewers: At the end of the first half in Super Bowl
XXIII (Niners v Bengals), Cincinnati punted from deep near its goal,
the Niners fair-caught the ball and attempted a very long FG (almsot
60 yards).  They missed -- after all, it was Mike Cofer -- and the
half ended.


--Gidi



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From: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Subject: Re: JETS vs INDIANAPOLIS
Reply-To: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corp
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:01:51 GMT

In article <Bvuw0w.DIE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, chrislim@sage.cc.purdue.edu 
(Christopher Lim) writes:
> >Being a true Jets fan, my hopes for their utter destruction of the Colts
> >may be blinded. I do feel that the Jets have a satrong enough, not great, 
> >offense to score more than 20 pts against the young Colts defense.
> >However, I am worried about Indi's no-huddle offense implanted by 
Marchibella.
> 									


Here's whats happen to the Colts offense...Marchibroda has designed a new 
no-huddle offense. The designed & geared towards controlled movement 
downfield...
It's cast includes three possession type recievers that can catch over the 
middle in short to mid range passes (Brooks, Hester and Langhorne are all 
fearless over the middle with great hands) A huge fullback to help on 
blocking and run ocasionally (M. Carthon has been exceptional the clots can't 
believe the Giants let him go.. He runs like a bulldozer, is a tremendous 
lead blocker and has the intelligence to pick up the blitz, saving Georges' 
ass..) And a HB that is in the Thurmon Thomas mold. can't and run with speed 
to the outside. Marchibroda is extreamly impressed with three backs he has to 
work with.  All are equal in speed strengh, pass catching ability and 
potential. Anthony Johnson will start but Ken Clark and rookie Rodney Culver 
will all see action in Sundays game... Marchibroda feels that he can put a 
fresh back in at any point and nhave the offese never miss a beat...From the 
stats on preseason..he's right..These guys are nobodies but. won't be for 
long.. Don't be surprised if the clobber the Jets Sunday...

Brian Lichorowic
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