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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:17:46 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

>I've been cleaning and re-lubricating my winches (more detail in a later
>posting), using BarLube (Barient's winch-lube goop, which seems to be a mix of
>90-weight goo and lanolin, from the smell). Two questions came up:

Good product,  any other cheap water proof grease like Lubriplate should work too.

>(1) How much goop should I put on there? Just enough to provide a film on all
>surfaces, and tiny bit more, or should it be like wheel bearings, where I would
>lay it on really thick, i.e., pack the case completely with grease?

I use enough to load the bearing races but not so much that it's hanging out
in big snots (that's a technical term I learned from a mechanic).  Pinion teeth
should get a light coat.  The correct lube for the pawls and spings oil, I use
a drop of 30 weight.  Over lubing just attracts dirt and if your conscientious
and do this every year or six months, there's no reason to use great globs of
grease.

>(2) The Barlube tube says "Do not use on pawl springs". This naturally lead me
>to ask "What *should* I use on pawl springs?" 

Yep, they're right.  The reason is that as the grease thickens with time, which
it will, it can cause the pawls to stick in the "away" position.  This renders
your winch into a snubbing block.  This is according to Nigel Calder in one of
his books.  I've never actually seen it happen myself.

cheers,
-gb-
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:59:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert) writes:


    Not an enviromentally good idea as it releases hydrocarbons into the 
    atmosphere.  I would put it in your car a few gallons at a time along with 
    a full tank of fresh gas.  I doubt it would have any adverse affect 
    provided it was clean.

But would that cause you more problems if you had 2-stroke oil mixed
with the gas and your car used fuel injection?

Brian (peering from the crows' nest) Smith

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Spring Work
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:40:36 GMT

petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) writes:

>to go to a machine shop for removal, its probably cheaper to buy a new
>coupling.  Now, to minimize the problem next time, coat the end of the
>shaft, and the key, with Never-Seez.  I guarantee an easier removal next
>time.  

This is *great* advice.  It applies not only to the coupling/shaft connection
but to the coupling bolts as well.  In fact, it is good mechanical practice
to use either never-seize or thread adhesive like loctite on all fasteners.
On aluminum spars this makes all the difference with steel fasteners, without
it the aluminum will elctrolyze and immobilize the fastener within a few
years at most.

cheers,
-gb-
From: dougs@bugman.EBay.Sun.COM (Doug Sawyer )
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: bass boats
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: dougs@bugman.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bugman.ebay.sun.com

In California the lakes can have 100 or more ( lots ) miles of shore line.  Lot of fingers, inlets
bays and the like.  If you try boating with  a 10 Hp Motor it'll take years to fish a lake through.

I don't see nothing wrong with doing 65 on the water some people drive faster then that on
cement.

So the pleasure is in reeling your line in, looking at your map and say lets go to the south end
of the lake and it takes 10 minutes instead of 1 or 2 hours.

Point made?  

Doug Sawyer
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: sgrenander@nasamail.jpl.nasa.gov (Sven Grenander)
Subject: (?) MacGregor 65, Hunter 54, Santa Cruz 70
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:46:59 GMT

After a couple of years of eyeing Deerfoot designs, my better half and I 
have concluded that they are out of our reach by a few $100,000.

Realizing that you get what you pay for, we are still toying with the
idea of upgrading a MacGregor 65, Hunter 54, or possibly a Santa Cruz 70 to
cruising standards. As both the MacGregor 65 and the Hunter 54 (used)
can only be referred to as cheap we were wondering if it is even worth
looking into. As for the Santa Cruz 70, we don't have their address and
have never been on board one (if you have an address for Santa Cruz we'd
appreciate getting it).

Any first hand or second hand experiences with any of these three boats
out there? Do they suffer from the typical "cheap" problems ?

Thanks

-Sven
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: nestor@hub.toronto.edu (John Nestor)
Subject: Looking for book
Keywords: racing tactics
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:10:04 GMT

Can anyone suggest a good book on advanced sailing skills and racing
tactics?  I'm primarily interested in information related to dinghy
sailing (ex. Laser II, 470, etc.).  Seems there are many books out that
cover the basics, but few that are more advanced.

Thanks in advance ...
-- 
John P. Nestor  <nestor@hub.toronto.edu>  |  "Gotta take a chance,
Dept. of Electrical Engineering           |   Gotta make a move,
University of Toronto                     |   Got everything to gain
Toronto, Canada  M5S 1A4                  |   And nothing to lose." - Kylie
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:36:43 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Well, my sore finegrs know all about winch tear-down/build. Our current
drill is to lube gears with teeth with Barlube, enough to get a light coat
over all the teeth. I tend to put dabs on about 4 places about the circumfernce
of small gears and about 8 dabs for large gears. We've been loading races
with a fairly light coat of WGL, or one of the other fairly thin, fairly
persistant white silicone greases. Pawl springs seem to thrive on 
T-9 Boeshield, or 3 in 1 oil, or Singer Sewing Machine oil. (I've used
all three) We strip Recursion's winches pretty frequently. Some as
often as once a month in the middle 

The trick is to get enough lube on so everything is coated and
stays coated, but not so much that it starts to get gummy and 
gluey quickly. Our experience is that the silicone lube on the
races is a little less persistant, but a lot less tending to gum
up. There's a decent article on winch tear-down and cleaning in
this month Sailing World.  I think there's also a pretty good
write up in "the optimal sailboat." I'll check that tonight. 

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
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From: dudley@fir35.cray.com (Dudley Knappe)
Subject: Re: AC Juries and hitting marks
In-reply-to: graemer@ssd.dl.nec.com's message of 4 Apr 92 22:03:20 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
	<DUDLEY.92Apr3140001@fir35.cray.com>
	<1992Apr3.211617.6760@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com>
	<1992Apr4.220320.28079@ssd.dl.nec.com>
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:39:42 CDT


	My thanks to all who followed up on my oops on touching the finish mark
after the bow crossed the finish line!  I certainly learned that I have to 
do a thorough review of the rules before I start racing again this year. :-)
Hummm..  let's see..  was that port over starboard or the other way 'round.  I
will certainly look up the rule before I respond off the top of my head again!

	It was such a great comeback and win I guess I was just hoping that 
they wouldn't really be DNF'd.  How about that NIPPON team yesterday!  This 
is great racing.

	Dudley
From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: GPS summary request
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:16:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: nas.1992Apr16.211601.6354
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I missed most of the discussion on GPS.  I will be buying a portable unit
soon and was wondering if anyone has kept a discussion of the relative
advantages/weaknesses of the various ssytems?  

If not, any comments are welcome.

Matt Blake
blake@nas.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: AC Comments; Tues 4/7
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:25:54 GMT

>	Defenders.  Wow!  Clearly the superior boat for the light-wind 
>conditions, S&S gave it away at the last windward mark.  Then Buddy
>Melges almost gave it back by not covering S&S after taking the lead.
>Did anyone see the replay of the *love-tap* like I did:  S&S attempted
>to take Kanza up, but went past head-to-wind (essentially tacking) before
>tapping Kanza.  Kanza cleared the windward mark, but S&S, rounding
>inside Kanza, hit the mark.  Both boats protested; the on-the-water 
>committee disallowed the protests; but the committee nailed S&S,
>apparently for hiting the mark.
Was it just me, or did it seem that the on-water jury goofed and did not
penalize Kanza for failing to give S&S room at the weather mark. It sure looked
as if S&S established an overlap outside the two-boatlength circle. I'm puzzled
though - neither Buddy nor Dennis would goof on such a fundamental. Dennis must
have clearly thought he was in the right to hit Kanza, and/or Buddy must have
thought HE was clearly in the right not give room (unless he was trying - but I
didn't see him alter course until after the collision). I must have missed
something, though what I saw was the replay, just as S&S tacked for the mark
(within two Bls?).  I think the juries and starting are committees are making
basics screw-ups; not what I expect in such a high-power event. Comments?
From: D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Tampa Fl Info.
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:51:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: AKRONVM.167CAD10C.D1SAR
Organization: The University of Akron

This may not be the place to ask this question but we can't get to the alt....
lists. I would appreciate any info on charter (head boat) fishing out of
Tampa area.  We are interested in one that has all day trips and isn't very
expensive. (if there is such a thing)  Please let me know if anyone knows
anything about the charters.
 
Steve Rimar
The University OF Akron
Akron, Ohio
 
D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
From: crandall@webb.psych.ufl.edu (Chris Crandall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing Hunter 30 to Flordia?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:45:29 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida, Psychology Dept.

In article <167C2DCD0.DOYLE@ricevm1.rice.edu> DOYLE@ricevm1.rice.edu (Jim Doyle) writes:
>I am quite the novice sailor having bought a 83 Hunter 30' sailboat a year ago
>but have enjoyed sailing. I will be able to take condiderable time off,
>starting in September 92 and would like to take a cruise from Houston to either
>Flordia (and the islands) or down to Mexico. 
>
>My question is a simple one for experienced crew members. Is such a trip
>feasible in a 30' Hunter? 
I
f so, what equipment would be necessary for a safe
>trip? I've been told radar, auto helm, GPS and a new boat. Can anyone give me
>practical advise on such an adventure. If I go I would take experienced people
>to ensure a safe trip.
>
>Thanks for any and all responses. Jim Doyle

     If you follow the Gulf Intercoastal Waterway, this trip would be
feasible in my boat (esp. if you watch the weather and aren't in a 
big hurry).

     Do you plan do sail straight East from Houston, or follow along
the US coast?  If you follow the coast, there's little to fear, I would
hazard.  

     There is much complaint about Hunters about, and I think that 
it is overblown.  I wouldn't want to try sailing your boat on a 
circumnavigation, and if I were in a full gale, I'd wish I'd been on
another boat.  But too many people buy boats for sailing that they
*never* do.  How many Pacific Seacraft Flicka owners do real blue-water
cruising?  

     For Florida cruising, and Intercoastal Waterway sailing, your boat
is more than plenty.

     What else will you be doing?

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: IACC Yacht For Sale to quick buyer
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:52:54 GMT

International America's Cup Class racing yacht for sale.  Never used.  
Needs minor fitting out.  Be the first on your block to own one!  

Remember the "Age of Russia" challenge?  Their boat is still sitting at 
the Knight & Carver boatyard on Mission Bay.  K&C took title of it for 
fees due.  They want to get rid of it, because it's taking up a lot of 
space.  They've been trying to find a buyer, and all they're asking is the 
$25,000 in customs fees they had to pay.  Of course, the boat needs an 
estimated $200,000 worth of fitting out (it's a bare hull with steering 
gear).  According to the story in today's SD Union-Tribune, it's going to 
the Miramar landfill tomorrow unless a list-minute buyer appears.  The 
construction quality is reported to be very primitive compared to the 
other IACC boats, even though it is carbon fiber.

They even tried to give the thing to charity, or to a school, but nobody 
is willing to accept the liability.  Oh, well.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: wlm@panix.com (William Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Strange and unique job ad
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:09:23 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY


I'm not sure this ad is as strange as you think. In the US, when you
want to hire a foreign worker, one of the ways of doing it is to
certify that you need some particular skill set, and the only people
with this skill set are foreigners. So, what you do is write a job
ad so specific that only one person can fill the position, and then
you put the ad in some national paper. Of course, the only acceptable
applicant is this specific foreign person you had in mind in the first
place. Given the specifics of the ad, I would guess that no one reading
it is supposed to qualify.

Bill Moran
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Spin Us a Yarn, Please
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:01:43 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Apr7.223604.267@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>In article <2075@cypress.UUCP> dft@cypress.com (
> ... [ stuff about the _Farnella_ deleted] ...

While we're on the subject.  What happened to the Lash Barges?  They were moored in
Westpoint Slough for years.  Then someone put in some dolphins between markers 16
and 18, to which they were moored for a few more years, during which time there was
a tax notice taped to one of them. Following The Great Barge party someone posted
"Keep Off" signs.

Then, around the time of Operation Desert Scorn, they disappeared.  Rumour had them 
heading to the Persian Gulf, but I can't verify that.  Do you think Howard may be
involved?

Dudley
.
From: worth@acuson.com (Douglas Worth)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: mail order
Summary: Where to mail order?
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:11:10 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California


I seem to remember a thread a while back about mail order houses. Could
someone please either post or maail me a list of mail order houses. I am in
the market for some sailing gear (boots, gloves, foulies,..) and would like
to see some other sources than my local West Marine.
Thanks

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Doug Worth   --  worth@acuson.com (worth@sono.sun.com, ..!sun!sono!worth)
                 415-694-5653
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mfish@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Michael Fish)
Subject: Re: Antigua to Maryland
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:24:14 GMT

In article <12439@umd5.umd.edu> colvin@oyster.smcm.edu asks:
>I am helping to deliver a Kaufman (sp?) 47 from Antigua to Maryland this  
>May.  I have several questions:
>1) Is it possible to rent safety equipment (such as, life-rafts,  
>E.P.I.R.B.'s, harnesses, etc.) from any one?

Tim,
	Try Offshore Rentals, Inc.  Annapolis, MD  301/268-4488
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:53:21 GMT

Richard L. Murphy writes:

	Perhaps this thread should be re-named "Navy trashing..."

	I do know that the Navy has taken positive action to control 
	and eliminate trash dumping at sea, and that includes sewage 
	and other liquids, also.

If this is so, then it is the ultimate absurdity. There is nothing more
biodegradeable than human waste. It is a very desireable link in almost
any ecosystem. Contrariwise there is nothing less desireable than
chemically treated human waste. it is one thing to insist on maceration
and treatment in inland waterways, where shellfish and aethetics come
into play (no floating poop!), but offshore it is nonsense.

In these matters the Navy takes its cue from the politicians via the
Secretary of the Navy. It is unreasonable to blame those at sea.

							Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
From: v347jqdy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Albert B Hanneman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2359@isgtec.isgtec.com>, ron@isgtec.com (Ron Lipsius) writes...
>In article smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>> What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>> ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>> carrying in excess of 4000 people.
>> 
>	I initially replied through private mail, but had to say this:
>	THERE WAS ROOM TO STORE IT BEFORE IT WAS GARBAGE, so there has
>	to be at least as much room afterwards.  Compact it and it will
>	take even less room than originally.  
> 
>	Small boats or large, the volume of trash produced cannot be larger
>	than the amount of trash brought on board.  For those who camp, the
>	credo has been:
>					"Pack it in, pack it out." 
> 

  Some one said earlier that most navy ships get replenished while
underway.  Because of this they have MORE supplies than when they
left port and therefore they don't have room for all the garbage.
It's not an issue of pack it in, pack it out.  They just don't
have the room.  Of course if you want to be really picky I guess
they could send their garbage back to the supply ships right after
they pick up supplies....

_____________________________________________________________________
Albert B. Hanneman       SUNY at Buffalo        v347jqdy@ubvms.bitnet
Aerospace Engineering   Sailing Instructor   America's Cup 96 hopeful
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From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:37:05 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, ron@isgtec.com (Ron Lipsius) writes:
>        THERE WAS ROOM TO STORE IT BEFORE IT WAS GARBAGE, so there has
>        to be at least as much room afterwards.  Compact it and it will
>        take even less room than originally.

    A minor nit, but would you like to have the food you are going to
eat in the same room as the dumpster?  Imagine putting last weeks garbage
in with next weeks provisions.  Yech!  (Especialy when you consider it's
a small city's worth of garbage and food.)
    Older ships, designed with the time honored "throw it overboard" 
method of trash disposal have only refer and dry stores spaces.  Which 
would you prefer to use as the dumpster?  The health issues are not 
trivial.
    The new plastic-trash compacter has heaters which melt the plastic
into rectangular pellets.  The pellets are easy to handle and can be
stacked to save space.  But the real advantage seems to be that the 
food wastes are sealed in and don't rot as fast.

Tim Smith
Xref: sparky rec.boats:2585 alt.fishing:1432
From: mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources)
Newsgroups: rec.boats,alt.fishing
Subject: Re: bass boats
Summary: hotrodder instinct
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:13:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Mar26.143647.9908@ncsu.edu>, plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
> In article <qqabpINNo6g@agate.berkeley.edu>, macklin@garnet.berkeley.edu (Macklin Burnham) writes:
> |> 150 hp? Excuse my naivity, but what does the ability to go
> |> 70 mph have to do with fishing? How do bass fishing tournaments
> 
> 
> -Tournament starting locations are not always good fishing locations. 
> An angler may have to make a 100mile round trip on a large lake.  
> 
> -If the lake is smaller, the faster boats arrive at the prime fishing 
> locations first.
> 
> -Less time driving the boat means more time fishing.
> 
> -Boats like this are expensive, people will imitate the professional 

My dad sold his Boston Whaler last year, and bought a Ranger
20' with a Johnson 200 on it.

I really don't know why he did, other than he is a closet hot-
rodder. He says "Fish are scared by that big, white hull", but
I just said "Face it, you want to go fast, and you don't want
to admit it.".

Every time I'm out with him, he makes his way to the open water
at least once during the day, and opens it up. I really don't
blame him, it's alot of fun to move across the water like that.

The Whaler would only do 45-50, if you farted real hard, and had
a tailwind, but the Ranger will do an easy 70. I like it, but I
wouldn't drive it that fast in a curvy river, like some of those
fools do. Never know when that old barge is just around the turn.

It really gets his goat that I have a glastron CVX 17 with a
Yamaha 130 that does 75. Cheap speed. He spent 20K on that
Ranger, and my boat is still faster (Of course, I have put alot
of work into my engine, and my boat weighs ALOT less). I have
a great time kidding him about it, though.

My dad's not just some fool with more dollars than sense, though,
and we both really do enjoy fishing. He is almost religious
about it. Just that sometimes, we all need a little speed. It
puts a smile in the heart.


-- Mike
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