HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:33:44 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <1992Oct4.180240.16076@husc3.harvard.edu> rotstan@husc9.harvard.edu (Karl Rotstan) writes:
>In article <92278.154428MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter) writes:
>>In article <1alv6bINNr4u@early-bird.think.com>, karlr@think.com (Karl Rotstan)
>>says:
>>>In article <92277.002500QAA@psuvm.psu.edu> QAA@psuvm.psu.edu (Tim Bieling)
>>>writes:
>>>Nevertheless, I do find it interesting to discover that Clinton was hanging
>>>out in MOSCOW in January 1970 at the height of the Vietnam war.  I wonder
>>>what excuse we'll hear about this one, if any...
>>
>>
>>Cross-posted to alt.conspiracy, which is where stuff like Dornan's ravings
>>REALLY belongs.
>>

I believe that this is the same Dornan who challenged some liberal
congressman to a fist-fight in the halls of congress a number of years
ago.  Jesse Helms II in the making.
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
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From: mam1335@rigel.tamu.edu (MONTGOMERY, MARK ANDREW)
Subject: NovaCon VIII
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:33:00 GMT


NovaCon VIII is going to start VERY soon...I forgot about this group, so don't 
kill me, people.  It is a SF/Fantasy GAMING convention, with a dealers' room 
(no, really?) at Texas A&M University.   Date:  10/9 - 10/11 1992

	Hope to see you there,
		Aahz
From: cs_b173@kingston.ac.uk (Hotchkiss F G)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons,rec.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: 1995 Worldcon
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:07:03 GMT
Organization: Kingston University

Organization: Kingston University


Oh Goody, A WorldCon in the UK!

I sure hope they invite those nice Conspiritor people.

Kane.

Ulterior motive man.
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From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Subject: @ party list 2 of 2
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:49:44 EST

This is a list of the attendies of the second night of the @ party. If 
you are aware of any errors in this list, please let me know, and I 
will put together a corrected list.

Second Night:

colin.mcgregor@canrem.com (Colin McGregor)
purdy@logopolis.mct.anl.gov (Irene Purdy)
Kweeder@polymer.che.clarkson.edu (Jim Kweeder)
mmix@cen.com
jonm.at@mhs.unc.edu / jon_meltzer@oit.unc.edu / et cetra
davetaylor@aol.com
LEEA@WOO1@EMHI-LEAV.MIL.ARMY
MIKEU@PRO_MAGIC.OAU.OPG
gagin@pahy.mtu.edu (Gary P. Agin)
K42@VM.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (Maha Best)
Paulh@OX.COM (Paul Haas)
hannu@uta.li (Hannu Pajunen)
mark_dakins@ndp.novell.com (Mark Dakins)
kaden@bnr.ca
ralph@umsa8.umd.edu (Ralph Roland)
malmberg@umsa.umd.edu (Norwin Malberg)
zed@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Zed)
alanr@cs.vorgon.edu (Alan Roberts)
MATT G. LEGER ALRINGTON, VA MATTleger@aol.com
REMBART@AOL.COM
Welch@kirk.msoe.edu
mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Mike Bernard)
carsol@cs.columbia.edu (Carsol Gaspar)
ivy@cup.hp.com (Ivy Chun)
janice@amix.com
chip@amix.com
KeithA.Daniels@KDANIELS1 (Genure)
gergel@sees.gwu.edu (jugle)
76605.430@compuserve.com (Adrew Kiox)
duke@cc.bellcore.com (Duke Robillard)
LDMUNC@ULKYVM.Louisville.EDU
Carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
WRITCH@Moebius (emory!slammer!mobius) Bill Ritch
gtnetdc@prism.gatech.edu (David Carter)
Jar@Ken
wsadler@netlink.
pmorris@east.sun.com
elsa@ll.mit.edu / elsa@cheshire.com
71475,1515
suzi@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu
rk@athena.mit.edu
ben@tai.chi.il.us
star@meltdown.chi.il.us
amigapd@iscu.uiowa.edu
#yg@lofsaplucger (Tom Gallorcy)
Bradw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
jacobbs@chaos.cs.braneis.edu
sgorton@prism.gatech.edu (San Gorton)
-----------------------
Hannu Pajunen hannu@utu.fi
Mitch Gold, sundance@rpi.edu
Seth Breidbart             sethb@fid.morgan.com
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From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Subject: @ party list 1 of 2
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:49:44 EST

Since posting the first MagiCon @ party list a number of people
contacted me to note that they were not on my list. This is a
corrected list. If your not on the following lists and were there
please let me know. If there is enough demand I will put together
another list.

The system that I use to post messages limits all outgoing messages
to 100 lines (or less), so this is just the list of names/address
that I collected on the first night of the @ party.

First Night:

Colin McGregor,  colin.mcgregor@canrem.com
bob stearns <is@groucho.dev.uga.edu>
Debra Hisle <sysdeb@ukcc.uky.edu>
Saul Jaffe (jaffe@rutgers.edu)
Steve Davies (sdavies@cix.compulink.co.uk)
David M. Kushner (dmk@mit.edu)
Kennita Lane Watson (kwatson@netcom.com)
Marc Wiz (mwiz@mpd.tandem.com)
Peter Card (pjc@jet.uk)
Mark Roth/Whitworth (markbr@radian, roth@cactus.org)
Kathryn Roth/Whitworth (kathrynw@radian)
Carol Springs (carols@world.std.com)
MILLIE BAKER  ABE
millie baker
Mike Pins (amigapd@isca.uiowa.edu)
Lynn "Badge Master" Gold (lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM)
Kimiye Tipton (kimi@kokomo.att.com)
Matt Hisle <sysdeb@ukcc.uky.edu> -- [care of Debra; Matt couldn't
remember his compuserve number]
Frank Ney (m0102@tnc.UUCP or 71005.2421@compuserv.com)
Russell March (march@alsys.de or 100014.3427@compuserve.com)
Janice Gelb, janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com
Melissa Wauford, mwauford@utkvx.utk.edu
Saul Jaffe (Jaffe@rutgers.edu)
Debra Hisle (sysdeb@ukcc.uky.edu)
Evelyn C. Leeper, ecl@mtgzy.att.com
Barbara Cormack, cormacbw%slscva@snycenva.bitnet
John R. Strohm (WB5YOO) strohm@lobby.dseg.ti.com
   (Access is dicey: also flopn2.dseg.ti.com)
Danny Lieberman (dfl@panix.com) this time save the file every few lines OK??

geez,   it's   hare  to  read  this  screen.      Duke  Robillard
duke@ctt.bellcore.com   DoD #130.   Bite me fan boy
geigel@seas.gwu.edu (Joe Geigel aka jogle)
japanes@sunni.ctsd.bellcore.com  (the gang japanes)
76605.430@compuserve.com (Andrew J. Knox aka Tomacs Xonk)
gac@pacesetter.com (Gaines A. Coleman)
Geoffrey Toop, Geoffrey.Toop@canrem.com
Maurice Beyke mab@batman.ingr.com
matt@tic.com (Matt Lawrence)
philn@world.std.com (Phillip M. Nathanson)
leeper@mtgzfs3.att.com (Mark R. Leeper)
carson@tron.bwiwec.com
cz@silver.lcs.mit.edu
corwin@kolvir.UUCP (Don Glover, the younger)
kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch)
kwatson@netcom.com (Kennita Lane Watson)
(Paul S. Dwyer)
mitch@cfraix.cfr.usf.edu  (Mitchell  L.Silverman,   Student,  New
College of the University of South Florida)
Nancy Lebovitz  nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
---------------------------------
Hannu Pajunen hannu@utu.fi
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (jvh@clinet.fi)
Mitch Gold, sundance@rpi.edu
Seth Breidbart             sethb@fid.morgan.com
Mitch Cohen  MCohen@vax.clarku.edu
Gary J. Ehrlich   electro@access.digex.com
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From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Subject: Re: Philcon @! ?
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 03:14:56 EDT
Expires: 1992Nov13

In article <1992Oct03.194651.25107@pdnfido.fidonet.org> phydeaux@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Dave Weingart) writes:
>Well, let's get a consensus?  Will there be any sort of @! get-together?
>I hereby volunteer someone else's room, primarily to save my neck, as my wife 
>(and baby) would kill me for volunteering my own!  B{)

Sounds like a good idea to me ... a month ago at Worldcon I stopped by the
@! party, wondering what it was... and now, I are one! (However, I'm not
gonna volunteer my room ... that's reserved for a private party between
me and a certain young lady... :)

-- PeterCat
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From: electro@access.digex.com (Gary Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: Philcon @! ?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:53:38 GMT


Well, I'm crashing with someone who's room is on the committee floor, 
so that venue's out.  I'd certainly attend a party anywhere one crops
up.

If not, how 'bout a communal @ trip to one of the local eating venues?

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Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:38:26 GMT

tes@nomad.uucp (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL]) writes:

>Another plan I have (as long as I'm already off the deep end) is ignite
>Jupiter's atmosphere. It would be easier since it has all that hydrogen in it.

I wouldn't use the word "ignite" if I didn't have anything to burn it
with. But maybe you are thinking of nuclear fusion? Like the floating,
pulsing ramjet used in Larry Niven's A World out of Time (only I think
it was Saturn or Uranus). Fiction, of course.
--
 Urban Fredriksson   urf@icl.se
 "In order to make someone a nervous wreck, apologize while they still 
  haven't used their best arguments." -- Runer Jonsson
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary,sci.geo.geology
From: tes@nomad.uucp (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL])
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Organization: Software Technology Branch - NASA/Johnson Space Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:50:33 GMT

>>
>>Another plan I have (as long as I'm already off the deep end) is ignite
>>Jupiter's atmosphere. It would be easier since it has all that hydrogen in it.
>>                                     ...
>>                                                    Tom



David Knapp writes:
>I think you need to explain your term 'ignite.'

Some of the replies I've seen here seem to imply that I want to chemicaly
burn the atmosphere. I really meant to use the hydrogen in Jupiter's atmosphere
as fuel for several fusion reactors. So to the person who suggested that I
take some chemistry, why don't you take some physics. Unfortunately on Venus
the gasses there do not fuse easily at all, but they do on Jupiter. That's why
I picked Jupiter.

                                                      Tom
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: tes@nomad.uucp (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL])
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Organization: Software Technology Branch - NASA/Johnson Space Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:54:33 GMT

>>
>>Another plan I have (as long as I'm already off the deep end) is ignite
>>Jupiter's atmosphere. It would be easier since it has all that hydrogen in it.
>>                                     ...
>>                                                    Tom



David Knapp writes:
>I think you need to explain your term 'ignite.'

Some of the replies I've seen here seem to imply that I want to chemicaly
burn the atmosphere. I really meant to use the hydrogen in Jupiter's atmosphere
as fuel for several fusion reactors. So to the person who suggested that I
take some chemistry, why don't you take some physics. Unfortunately on Venus
the gasses there do not fuse easily at all, but they do on Jupiter. That's why
I picked Jupiter.

                                                      Tom
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary,sci.astro
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: Summary of planetary evolution
Followup-To: sci.astro
Summary: ask for critiques 
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:13:39 GMT

	For my introductory planetary geology (for poets) class I have
summarized the elementary material outlining the evolution of the
universe from the Big Bang to the differentiation of planets. It is
3 pages long. I would appreciate any comments or critiques from those
who are interested in this subject. Because I felt diffident about
using bandwidth to the net for this purpose I ask those who would like
to take a look to drop me a note and I will transmit.

(The material is a collage of that found in Abell et al's astronomy
text, Hamblin and Christiansen's planetary geology text, plus a little
from Morrison and Owen and the new Hartmann. Mistakes likely mine) 
Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:40:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.151420.6690@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tes@nomad.uucp (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL]) writes:
>
>Let's have a little fun with this topic. The two problems mentioned with 
>terraforming Venus by moving it to Earth orbit were:
>
>  1. It has too much atmosphere to be terraformed even if it was in Earth 
>     orbit.
>
>  2. It takes too much energy!!!
>
>I don't know what the specifics of this plan would be, (I leave this to the 
>interested student :) ), but let's ignite Venus's atmosphere on the opposite
>side that it moves in its orbit, and use the escaping air as propultion. We
>kill two birds with one stone :)  (note: this should be done over a large
>surface area to reduce geological turmoil.)
>
>Another plan I have (as long as I'm already off the deep end) is ignite
>Jupiter's atmosphere. It would be easier since it has all that hydrogen in it.
>Use this propultion to slow Jupiter way down, causing it to fall towards
>Venus. If done correctly this maneuver will sling shot Venus to an eccentric
>orbit out past Earth. As Jupiter swings around the sun, it will encounter Venus
>on its next orbit and swing Venus around into a nearly circular Earth-like
>orbit. If were lucky, the close encounters will strip much of Venus's
>atmosphere.
>
>Well, what do you think?
>
>                                                    Tom



I think you need to explain your term 'ignite.'

-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Originator: kjenks@gothamcity
Keywords: ignition
Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.151420.6690@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tes@nomad.jsc.nasa.gov (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL]) writes:

> [L]et's ignite Venus's atmosphere on the opposite
>side that it moves in its orbit, and use the escaping air as propultion. We
>kill two birds with one stone :)  (note: this should be done over a large
>surface area to reduce geological turmoil.)

The trouble with this idea is that combustion doesn't usually produce a
net thrust.  You need a way to direct the combustion products in the
same general direction.  A continent-sized bell nozzle seems a bit
infeasible.  An additional difficulty is that Venus' atmosphere won't
"burn" unless you introduce some pretty exotic chemicals in truly
impressive quantities.

My ground-based lasers would get you a net thrust, albeit a small,
inefficient one.  But we've got several centuries before we can 
change the atmosphere, anyway.  Lasers are patient.  We can wait.

Does anybody know what frequency would best penetrate Venus'
atmosphere?  It doesn't have to be in the visual spectrum.

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368

     "NASA turns dreams into realities and makes science fiction
      into fact" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: kjenks@gothamcity.uucp (Kenneth C. Jenks [GM2] 483-4368)
Subject: Re: The thrust problem (was Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit)
Keywords: thrust
Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.205154.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>Ken, how much does the Earth's orbit change because of [solar] radiation
>pressure?  Kilowatt per square meter, albedo 0.4.  I'd do the
>calculation but I'm really getting hungry and I want to go home to
>dinner.

Since the net thrust supplied by solar radiation pressure is
perpendicular to the orbital velocity vector (that is, thrust is away
from the Sun), it doesn't add anything to the planet's orbital energy.
That net thrust simply counters a tiny fraction of the mutual Sun/Venus
gravitational attraction, making Venus' orbit a little wider.  So the
effects of solar incident radiation are already built into Venus'
current, stable orbit.

In order to change your orbit from a stable, circular one, you must
apply net thrust along the velocity vector.  Solar incident radiation
does not.  Applying continuous thrust along the radius vector does
affect the balance between centrifugal force and gravitation (which is
the definition of an orbit), but it just moves that balance a little
bit in favor of the centrifugal force side of the equation.  (Yes, I
know, there's no such thing as centrifugal force.  But it's a handy
construct when balancing forces here.)

If the Sun suddenly stopped radiating, that extra little outward force
due to radiation pressure would stop, and the orbits of the planets
would move inward just a little bit (probably becoming more
elliptical).  If the Sun's output increased a lot, the planets would
move outward just a bit.  How much?  I don't know.  Anybody wanna run
some figures?

-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368

     "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
      Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men
      with talent.  Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a
      proverb.  Education will not; the world is full of educated
      derilicts.  Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
      The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the
      problems of the human race."  -- Calvin Coolidge
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:37:24 GMT

In article 717748706@sw2001, urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
>tes@nomad.uucp (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL]) writes:
>
>>Another plan I have (as long as I'm already off the deep end) is ignite
>>Jupiter's atmosphere. It would be easier since it has all that hydrogen in it.
>
>I wouldn't use the word "ignite" if I didn't have anything to burn it
>with. But maybe you are thinking of nuclear fusion? Like the floating,
>pulsing ramjet used in Larry Niven's A World out of Time (only I think
>it was Saturn or Uranus). Fiction, of course.
>--

Might it be possible to set a fusion chain reaction in Jupiter's atmosphere if a big enough fusion bomb were used as an initiator ? 

I believe there were some worries about 'igniting the atmosphere' at the time of the first H-bomb test. This didn't occur because our atmosphere has a low H content - but on Jupiter of course, conditions are much more favourable.

Phil Isherwood.
pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
From: millar@sleepy.sanders.lockheed.com (Jeff Millar)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: The thrust problem (was Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:11:46 GMT
	<1992Oct1.015115.16293@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Oct2.202211.1@fnalc.fnal.gov>
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
In-reply-to: higgins@fnalc.fnal.gov's message of 3 Oct 92 02:22:11 GMT

The source of thrust to move the planet doesn't have to be placed on 
the surface.  Consider moving an asteroid into orbit around Venus and then
stopping the orbit and using thrusters to "hover" the asteroid over the
surface.  The gravitational pull will act as a "tractor beam" to pull on
the planet.  Use a big asteroid and put it as close to the planet as
your thrust system can tolerate.

On the subject of force.  The most energy efficient mechanism is hooking
into something substantial and pulling, examples include cars, feet, and
aircraft (to a lesser extent).  The least efficent mechanism is throwing
low mass at high velocities (light is the ultimate example).  Of course,
efficiency is somewhat relative.  Conserving reaction mass is often a 
goal, in which case, throwing light out the back is the best, and particles
at nearly the speed of light is also quite good.

jeff millar, millar@mervax.sanders.lockheed.com
--
Jeff Millar Lockheed Sanders, Inc 603-885-7047
These are my words, not my employers, etc, etc, etc.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary,sci.astro
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: Vertical exaggeration
Followup-To: sci.astro
Summary: what is scaling on Mars Movie? 
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:41:58 GMT

I heard recently that the vertical exaggeration on the videos put out
by JPL for Venus is 22.5 to one compared with horizontal. Can anyone
tell me what is that for "Mars, the Movie?"
(I plan to show this to a class this week)

Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Moving Venus to Earth orbit
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:31:35 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Sep27.151420.6690@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, tes@nomad.uucp (Thomas E. Smith [LORAL]) writes:
>I don't know what the specifics of this plan would be, (I leave this to the 
>interested student :) ), but let's ignite Venus's atmosphere on the opposite
>side that it moves in its orbit, and use the escaping air as propultion. We
>kill two birds with one stone :)  (note: this should be done over a large
>surface area to reduce geological turmoil.)

You have neither sufficient fuel nor oxidant for ignition of the atmosphere.

>Another plan I have (as long as I'm already off the deep end) is ignite
>Jupiter's atmosphere. It would be easier since it has all that hydrogen in it.
>Use this propultion to slow Jupiter way down, causing it to fall towards
>Venus. If done correctly this maneuver will sling shot Venus to an eccentric
>orbit out past Earth. As Jupiter swings around the sun, it will encounter Venus
>on its next orbit and swing Venus around into a nearly circular Earth-like
>orbit. If were lucky, the close encounters will strip much of Venus's
>atmosphere.

Here, while you have lots of fuel, you don't have any oxidant.

>Well, what do you think?

I think you should, at the very least, take a course in chemistry.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.