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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:23:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.104454.20104@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:
>'I'll be happy the next time we win. That's when I will have a good
>feeling again. I didn't have a good feeling at Miami until we won the
>national championship. And to this day, I still think about the pain we
>had after that loss'(referring to Penn St., Fiesta Bowl).
> .....
>Oh, by the way, feel free to flame away, JJ can take it!
NO, he can't.

Two days after a controversial call against his team, he still whined about
it on TV.

That's NOT what a professional coach should do. In sports, you get good calls
and you get bad calls, but good or bad, you MOVE ON. Only a crybaby dwells
on a bad call against his team.

Back in October, the Skins got screwed by a "12 man on the field" penalty 
against the Giants that led to a TD right before the half. They lost the game.
The league office ADMITTED the mistake, but we didn't see Joe Gibbs putting
up a soap opera on national TV claiming "you want something so bad and somebody
takes it away from you ...."

Back in 1984, the Broncos and the Seahawks were in a big divisional battle.
The Seahawks won, largely helped by a Bronco fumble that should have been ruled
an incomplete pass (receiver didn't have possession). Later, Dan Reeves
commented something to the extent of "let's move on ...."

That's why I always think a pro coach's attitude is "good or bad break, you
take it like a man". Hey, bad calls are PART OF THE GAME, let alone the Aikman
fumble not being an outright wrong call.

JJ is not a man, he's a crybaby.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: hjiwa@gruc19.nor.chevron.com :) :) ) (Saints Fan :)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Saints Ram the Rams (and Hand The Bills Da Bill)
Keywords: Super Bowl
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:33:40 GMT
Organization: Speaking for Me, Myself, and I

As Bob Barker would say -

Buffalo Bills!  Come on down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
Saints Fan
"A New World Order" - Bombs For Footballs and Arms For Hugging
From: joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Suggestions for improving instant replay
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:51:43 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: langtry.cs.utexas.edu


This is not--repeat NOT--a discussion of whether or not instant replay should
come back to the NFL.  Rather, this is a discussion of what improvements would
make instant replay better.

1)  Don't require instant replay officials to have "conclusive evidence" in
order to overturn a call.  The way I figure it, the instant replay officials
are in a better position to make the call than the officials on the field.  So
I say we should the instant replay officials make the ultimate call.
That is, if the instant replay official is 51% sure that the original call is
wrong, he should be able to overturn it.  Only if he thinks it is a 50/50
proposition will the call on the field be used.
This would help to solve the problem of people complaining that the game keeps
being stopped so that the replay official can say, "The play stands."  More
calls would definitely be overturned.

2)  Full-time replay officials.  Make sure that the replay officials know the
rules inside and out.  They could spend the week reviewing questionable calls
in the games they officiated and in other games that week.  They could confer
with each other on how these plays should have been called.  I'm not sure how
much it would cost to hire full-time replay officials, but this would solve
the problem of replay officials making the wrong call because of ignorance of
the rules.  And if the final call rests in the replay official's hands, he
darn sure better know the rules!
Side benefit:  By putting the calls under such close scrutiny every week,
this would also help officials to find ambiguities in the rules themselves.

3)  Another idea is to have more than one replay official.  Maybe there could
be two, and the call would be overturned only if both agree (although this
would have the problem that most calls would not be overturned, wasting the
time spend reviewing the play.)  Or there could be three replay officials who
vote on each questionable call--majority rules.  Again, I'm not sure how
expensive it would be to hire more officials.

I know that there are several other improvements which have been suggested,
like letting the coaches have two plays per half which they can ask to be
reviewed, but these three are the three best ideas in my opinion.

Of course, none of these suggestions address one major complaint with instant
replay--that is, the claim that it disrupts "the flow of the game."  But that's
a different discussion.

Again, I don't intend for this to be a debate about the pros and cons of
instant replay.  What do you think of my suggestions?  Are there any others
that you think would be good?
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chester H Zeshonski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:04:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec17.032416.3878@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes...
>In article <15123.2b2e8c63@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.212709.641@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jjungbau@thorin.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec15.091813.6264@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>> 
>>> |> Gary, you're a BIG WEENIE. [etc etc etc...] 
>>> 
>>> Yet another intelligent post from John Gloria.  Will this incredibly
>>> witty dialogue never end?  Man... don't even need to say anything 
>>> about this guy... his posts speak volumes.  I just feel sorry for
>>> Packard Bell.
>>
>>I was under the impression he worked for Pacific Bell. Which is it John?
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> Jim
>I refuse to answer that in the grounds in my incriminate me! :-)

Wait a minute--statements like this aren't incriminating enough?

>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller

					---Chet Zeshonski
					(bodacious bobby hebert -- a hall-of-
					 famer before his time)
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:10:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: statz@gagme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio)
Subject: WEEK #15 RESULTS
Originator: statz@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:00:59 GMT


"sap" = S.tatz  A.ction  P.oints   Is the programs name.

****************************) WEEK # 15 (****************************

( Sat-I )   sap          ( Sat-II ) sap                      sap
Den        = 16 * 17  | NY.G       = 19 *  0  | Pits  -3.5  = 24 *  6
Buff  -14  = 26 * 27  | Phoe  -4.5 = 20 * 19  | Chic        = 17 * 30
                      |                       |                     
----------------------+-----------------------+----------------------
                      |                       |
Atla  -1   = 19 * 35  | Clev  -3   = 20 * 14  | Dall        = 20 * 17
T.B.       = 20 *  7  | Det        = 23 * 24  | Wash  -3.5  = 21 * 20
                      |                       |
----------------------+-----------------------+----------------------
                      |                       |
Indy       = 17 * 10  | N.E.       = 14 * 20  | S.F.  -5    = 19 * 20
NY.J  -5.5 = 16 *  6  | K.C.  -16  = 27 * 27  | Minn        = 23 * 17
                      |                       |
----------------------+-----------------------+----------------------
                      |                       |  ( over-time )
Cinn       = 21 * 10  | N.O.  -5   = 21 * 37  | Phil  -9.5  = 23 * 20
S.D.  -14  = 19 * 27  | Rams       = 19 * 14  | Seat        = 17 * 17
                      |                       |
----------------------+-----------------------+----------------------
( Sat-night )         | ( Mon-night )         |
G.B.       = 19 * 16  | Raiders    = 17 *  7  |
Hous -7.5  = 23 * 14  | Mia   -6   = 24 * 20  |
                      |                       |
----------------------*-----------------------*

And that folks was week #15 .

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From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Subject: Re: Pitt Vs. Bears
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:31:40 GMT

In article <Bz61BI.F09@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>I have not kept up on Bears news as of late.
>Do the Bears fans out there have any idea
>of how the teams emotions are this week.
>I look for a good game.  Steelers need a convincing
>win after some narrow wins.  Hopefully Brister will
>not make mistakes for the team and they will play
>well with Foster carrying the load.
>
>What is the weather report for Chicago area tomorrow?
>Any thoughts anyone?
>
>Don

Harbaugh's playing for about 70K.  What more incentive does he need?  The
players (on offense, anyway) seem to be glad Harbaugh's back.  I hate when
analysts say this (this is so and so's "superbowl") but this game is the
biggest chance for the Bears to play spoiler and to show that they can still
play well against good teams.  Assuming they eat the prescribed meal of 
polish sausage, baby back ribs, nachos, and beer, they should do fine.
Bears 20, Steelers 10. Why do I feel like I have to include a ":)" with
that score?  It's been a tough year ...

Nathan

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:10:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: 9ers and Vikes
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:24:46 GMT

Looking at the 9ers-Vikings game, I have to say one thing.
Rich Gannon.  Terry Allen is not going to lead the team
to victory against one of the best rush defenses in the
league.  Gannon has to beat the secondary deep and often.
The Vikings will hold the Niners to 24.  Gannon has to
have at least 2 TD passes and then one more for every
interception he throws..  Then the Vikings have a chance.

However, in the spirit of the Obligatory Anti-Woof:
THE NINERS WILL CLOBBER THE VIKINGS 55-7 BEFORE GOING ON TO
BEAT THE REDGIRLS AND THE COWPIES IN THE PLAYOFFS.
-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Harbaugh back to throw, screen to Anderson, and it's PICKED off by
 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
From: kowalski@crim.ca (Allan Kowalski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Let's talk next years Draft.
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:38:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal

salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:

>Let's talk about next years Draft

># stuff like who will seattle draft etc... .

I heard that flores likes OT lincoln kenedy but with the no.1 or no.2 
pick overall, that might be reaching. They may also want a QB, mirer or
toretta.


># who will be the sleeper in the draft etc... .

some junior no doubt

..
-
apparently eric curry DL and marvin jones ILB are locks for
top five.

too bad cause the rams could use either one. (espcially jones)
From: jwc@netxcom.netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas (Was: Re: Come back instant replay !!!)
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:25:44 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

mcelha@david.wheaton.edu (Geoff McElhanon) writes...
>This is a classic case of a very critical call that wasn't made because of the
>lack of instant replay.  Now Dallas appears well out of position for any kind
>of shot at home field advantage throughout the playoffs with the way San
>Francisco is refusing to go down. 

Calm down already! Dallas is almost a sure bet to win the division. For them
to NOT win it, they would have to lose both remaining games (at Falcons and
hosting Bears), and Philly would have to win both (against Skins and hosting
Giants). Pretty unlikely, though possible, but the Pokes still trail the 9ers
by a game (who have the Bucs and Lions to go). So it seems that SF will be
the top-seeded division winner, followed by Dallas and who-knows in the NFC
Central.

So now that you've seen THE play (as it is referred to here in DC), do you
think the right call was made? I do.

As for Instant Replay, there are noises of it coming back soon. One of the
problems with it (as claimed) was that "there were too many buttons". The
New and Improved I.R. will reduce that from 4 to 2 (care to guess what the
buttons will be labelled? How about "home team" and "visiting team"??).
Even so, I don't want I.R. back in any way, shape, or form. It sucks.

-JC
The NFL Mad Man.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:15:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.172014.17834@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1gq3flINN1h9@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>>Maybe Gibbs should "resort".....
>>
>>JJ and the Cowboys are   11-3
>>Gibbs and the skins are   9-5
>Geez, give them one season and they think they are the biggest winner in
>the history of the sport.
>
>JJ and the Boys are:  0
>Gibbs and the Skins are: 3
>
>Guess what those numbers are.

Your combined I.Q.?

Eric
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From: hamoudy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Mohamad E Allaf)
Subject: Reggie White     
Organization: Johns Hopkins University - Homewood Academic Computing
  
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:17:24 GMT

I am an Eagles fan and I was wondering if anyone out there knows if Reggie is going to be with the Eagles next year?  I know he previously said that this was going to be his last year with Philly but I do not know if he said anything about it since then.  Is there a chance he might stay (supposing they give him good money and the team does relatively well this year)?


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: Re: Superbowl Pool
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:31:14 GMT

jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey) writes:

>>First off, I'd like to thank you for reading this post.

>>For the past 3 years, I've run a parimutuel superbowl pool.  What this means
>>is that a person would choose a team, place a bet, then if that team wins 
>>would get paid back his share of the pot.  As an example, in 1991, Buffalo
>>went off at 10-1 and New York went off at 7-1.  For every dollar bet on New
>>York, that person got 8 back.  So if you think that you can predict who is     
>>going to win the superbowl before the playoffs start, or would like more 
>>information, e-mail me, and I'll answer any of your questions I can.

OK only two weeks left, there is still time to get in on this pool.


>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>The World Reknown Jason Boskey         | Mail:  Bosk@uiuc.edu           |
>>Known throughout the world as the Bosk |  "Christ you know it ain't easy|
>>All Rights Reserved, All Lefts Enhanced|   You know how hard it can be  |
>>                                       |   The way things are going     |
>>	               		       |   They're gonna crucify me     |
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Saints/Bills This Sunday
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:07:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.141633.3103@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.175625.245@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>>As a 49er fan I'm surprised that there is little traffic on 
>>the net about the Saints/Bills game.  Should be a great
>>game.
>>
>>Who will win this game.  I am partial to NO because I think
>>they are playing great now.  Besides, they are at home and
>>it is real tough to play in their dome.
>  
>   I am looking forward to the game.  It will be a good test for the
>roller-coaster (ing) Bills.  A good show is needed this weekend and next
>if the Bills want to be taken seriously WHEN they make it to the SB :)
>
> Chris  a Bills fan
>
This should be an excellent TEST for both of these teams. The 
Saints D up against the explosive Bills offense. If the Saints
can neutralize the Bills O, then it will be long day. Conversely,
if the Bills can pick apart the Saints D, then watch out. The
Saints, IMHO, will be Kelly's face all day and Hebert could show
his stuff. The NFC already won Saturday's game, Giants 35  Chiefs 21.
Let us make it another NFB win.

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: metv@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Come back instant replay !!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:40:18 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Don't bring instant replay !!!!  I hate instant replay.  It took too much time
and most of the time it didn't make the right decision.  Without instant   
replay, the refs are more comfortable with their calls.  Eventhough they
make mistakes here and there, but so is the instant replay.  Let the refs
be referees of the game, they're only human.

Metro