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From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Indian Constitution/Khalistanis Make Noise Only Outside India.
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:26:59 GMT

vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
>Subject: Re: The Indian Constitution/Khalistanis Make Noises Only Outside.
>Summary: 
>Expires: 
>References: <117@hallofjustice.UUCP> <1992Nov8.190521.17614@tamsun.tamu.edu>
>Sender: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: 
>Organization: California State University, Chico
>Keywords:Khalistani, Constitution, Residency etc. 

>In article <1992Nov8.190521.17614@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>In article <117@hallofjustice.UUCP> sram@lccinc.UUCP (Siddharth Ram) writes:

>>>and he said in his speech that sikhs have disavowed the
>>>indian constitution because though  it explicitly mentions 
>>>islam, hinduism and christianity, it does not
>>>contain a reference to sikhism as an entity distinct
>>>from hinduism. could someone confirm/contradict this ?
>>
>>The constitution is in no way obliged to mention every single religion 
>>that crops up in India. Failure to mention some religion is the lamest 
>>excuse to disavow a secular constitution. Wonder if this speaker would 
>>again vow allegiance to the constitution if Sikhism was mentioned explicitly.  
>>
>>regards,
>>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
>>

>A very important point here raised by Gopal here. I would like to ask the
>so-called Khalistanis, that all the noise that they make is outside India
>and most of them are either permanent residents here,  or are citizens of 
>this country, are they willing to give up their Green Cards, or surrender
>their American Passports,  and go and join the so-called struggle for the 
>land of Khalistan there in the battlefield in Punjab.  Not one I am sure,
>is willing to take up the challenge.




Same question I put in this way.

Are all those Indians settled outside India and making all these noise
to keep India United will go home and spread the nationalism in every
Indians and convince them to settle outside India?

BYE
ADIL
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AA DIL SE DIL MILA DE, YEH DIL MAIN KYA HAI BATA DUN
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>Regards,
>Vivek.


>-- 
>vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
>Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
>School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
>California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: A succint characterization of theories about ancient India
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 10 NOV 92 16:23:45    


In article <1992Nov10.201957.22021@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, akash@sol.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande) writes...
>Hello,

	Please add one more question.

	[0] Were Aryan/Dravidian race? (Y,N)

	My answer. No.		
> 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1. Was there an "Aryan" invasion in last 10,000 years?	[Yes, No]
>   If yes, approximately when was it?			[y1, y2]
>   was it	rapid (over decades)			Rapid
>		slow (over generations)			Slow
>		gradual (over centuries)		Gradual

	Not applicable. However, some people did come from outside for
	economic reasons like I did to USA. They were niether the writers 
	of Veda nor subscriber to the Vedic views, like I do not subscribe
	to prevailing religious and philosophical views of the United 
	States of America.

> 
>2. Is there now a Dravidian/Aryan split?		[Yes, No]
>   	If so, was there a common culture that divided?	[Yes, No]
>		If yes, was the division before 500BC?
>	If not, was there such a split in the past?	[Yes, No]
>		If yes, did the union happen before 500BC?
> 

	Not applicable.

>3. How did Sanskrit and Tamil develop?
>		independently				I
>		derived from same pre-language		P->S,T
>		Tamil developed from Sanskrit		S->T
>		Sanskrit developed from Tamil		T->S
> 

	P->S,T. Both derived from another ancient language of India. That
	language was the "Aryan (Noble) Tongue" for lack of better term.

>4. Approximate dates of composition of the Rig Veda:	[y1, y2]
>   Relationship between common culture and Rig Veda
>	there is no common culture in India		NCC
>	Rig Veda was irrevelant to common culture	I
>	common culture existed before Rig Veda		CC->RV
>	common culture did not exist before Rig Veda	RV->CC

	No time. They are eternal. They are preserved by nature in tanmatras
	at the time of dissolution. Knowledge is material and dwells in
	sabda (words). Rishis get this knowledge by tuning their mind 
	(meditation) with material (etherial) vibrations. Some knowledge 
	get into our consciousness through intuition, which is nothing but the
	sub-consciousness state of our being. Our entire consciousness has
	three stages (sub-consciousness, surface consciousness, 
	and supra-consciousness), when we talk of consciousness, we simply mean
	'surface' consciousness - the consciousness produced by our
	sense instruments. All knowledge is within us. We are exposed to
	it depending upon our mental development - called evolution.

-- Virendra
From: arvind@sequent.com (Arvind Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Never Trust TRIPS & TRAVELS..
Keywords: Air Travel, Travel Agents
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:33:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov13.013338.8797
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

If you never travel to India, delete this message NOW.

If you have a travel agent you always use and are satisfied by his/her
service, delete this message NOW.

If you are shopping around for travel agents for a best price and a good
customer service, BEWARE of TRIPS & TRAVEL in Bay Area.

This is how it goes:

When you first talk to them:
     They will promise everything to get your money. They will say that you
     have the confirmed seats all throughout - "send the money today, and we
     will send the confirmed tickets as soon as we get the money. We have
     already made the reservations for you" - they will say.
     "But I checked with Airlines, they don't have booking for me"
     "Oh No, We have the booking in our block reservation with our wholesale
     agent. Airlines will not have it under your name right now"
     "okay, I understand" (did I ??)

And So I send the money. I call them a week later.
     They haven't yet sent me the tickets. They say
     "We are releasing the tickets for you. We will mail it to you in one or
     two days"

Another week.
     They still haven't sent me the tickets.
     "We are working on your tickets. You should have the tickets by the end
     of the week"
     "But, what is the problem, didn't you say that you had the confirmed
     booking for me" ( I am concerned now)
     "Yes, you have. We are working it out"
     "But, what is there to work it out?"
     "There is a little bit of problem on your return. One of the segment is
     waitlisted. But don't worry we will get it for you" (So, now you tell
     me this)

After a month.
     I still didn't get the tickets. What is going on ???
     "You know, it is very difficult for the return. We are trying"
     "But what are the chances???"
     "We will try, I will ask Atul.  But we can not guarantee"
     "Then why did you say in the first place that I have a confirmed
     booking"
     "Well, THIS IS THE WAY IT WORKS", said Jyoti, the travel agent.

After 45 days.
     I asked them to send my money back.


Bottom line : 
     you should know that "this is the way it works" at trips and travels.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36033 soc.culture.pakistan:16380
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems.urdu,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: URDU
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:49:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov5.093108.11525@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab) writes...
>In article <1992Nov4.121643.9096@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid) writes:
>>
> ......
>Hmm! I guess by this definition there is no such thing as Pakistani cluture,
>or Indian or Islamic culture ... not that I do not agree with you .... I'm 
>just wondering which culture do I belong to !  and the rest of 8 million 
>(?) Karachites!  Any thoughts on that?

	adopt to sindhi language and culture.

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer)
Subject: Re: Bomdi, the World's Original Language :-) :-)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:18:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.173310.49850@ccvax.ucd.ie> bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>In article <27228@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem) writes:
>>>In article <Bx6oJr.KqK@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>>>
>>>      The Sanskrit language was modeled after tamil language right from
>>>      ...................
>> 
     The samskritham as the word implies is aa extract of sorts. It can also
mean an essence of something. It is infact an abridged version of a language
called "chandes". Chandes is supposed to mean a measure or a scale. Tamil is
distinctly different and has nothing to do with samskritham. This piece of
information is from someone who has done extensive research in this subject,
i.e., R.G.K, once assistant editor of illustrated weekly and a popular
columnist in Times of India (acute and obtuse, etc),The week (midweek) and my
grand uncle.

stay cool
jagadish
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: msdesa01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Mehul Desai)
Subject: looking for narayanan ramasubramaniam !
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:39:29 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Hi Netters,
	I am looking for a Mr. Narayanan Ramasubramaniam.  He was last at the
	university of Louisville and has involved himself in some nasty deeds
	before he was expelled from the university.  He is beleive to have 
	taken admission at some univ. in Texas after a major con job regarding 
	his transcripts and a whole lot of other related stuff. There is some
	unfinished business about him owing people money here in town.  If 
	any body knows his whereabouts pl. let me know ASAP. I thank in advance
	any iformation leading to his current location
Mehul
msdesa01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
_______________________________________________________________________________

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pancholi@cs.tamu.edu (Alok Pancholi)
Subject: Looking for someone in Syntel.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:28:39 GMT


Looking for someone working in Syntel.
--------------------------------------
I wanted some information for a friend of mine who is planning to join Syntel.
Please send me an e-mail at pancholi@cs.tamu.edu

Thanks,
Alok.
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: cobra patel *snickers* :)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 11:13:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (KING COBRA)
    The reason why King Cobra hasn't made any appearance on this net is 
    because it's full of shitty articles.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

:):) hee hee , sure, you cownvince me beautifully.


 But it seems like you need someone like him to improve the quality of the 
 discussion.

     heh heh heh :) you've got a great sense of humour, too. My apologies
for having called you Bharat Patel. Even he does'nt deserve it...


    What have we come down to? Some animal sex.

I would agree over here. But *you* should'nt be talking about this, given your
track record.
Well,let me not release all the venom you had spewed as cobra some months back.
As someone then had advised you, "go swallow your tail, COBRA" *smirk*  :)


FFT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: txa4331@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Indian PM address??
Originator: txa4331@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:57:38 GMT

>PXH@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>What is the official residence of an Indian PM - equivalent to 10 Downing
>Street?

-PXH
The Indian PM is currently residing in Andhra House at present. Dont
know if there is a plan for a new PM house of some sort.
Tanmay- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: [In which I am called honey ] -- Icarus [Re: *WHY INDIAN MEN etc...]
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:24:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.114050.49827@ccvax.ucd.ie> bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>
>Honey,
>animal sex films are still the biggest craze in the same hostel...
>
>Yeah... this could be food for you thoughts ;-)
>
>-vibgyor

1] Sweet bharathi,

   I am sure you are doing your part to uphold the animal tradition
   at the old hostel. No sacrifice is too great for a worthy cause.
   The fact that you are the only known specimen of the Jackelope,
   the accidental progeny of a wandering mad hare and an antelope
   in heat, blessed with all the wit of the former and the thick skin
   of the latter, grown to full adulthood in the trauma of this stifling 
   recession, must have aided you in this noble task.

   About providing food for my thoughts I can only thank you for your kindness
   good madam, and remind you that when you get lost in thought they 
   are forced to send out a search party. 

   Or to fall back on the old classic: It would take two of you to make
   one idiot.

   Sweet bharathi, sing low. :-)

   But more seriously:
   It could be of course that the animals in question were politicians,
   for has it not been said that politics makes strange bedfellows ?

   Or was this hostel of yours a metaphor for the donkey and the
   elephant of the republicans and the democrats  and how they both
   screw the people ?

   Are the sex films just an expression of post-modern rage, 
   a howl of insane horror, an overflowing of angst ? Or is it just the
   last sad mewl of the lost post-world-war-II generation paying
   desparate homage to what is left by way of the coccyx of a once flowing, 
   perhaps even pre-hensile tail ? Deep questions.
   
   P.S. Still, since no one has given any answer to your original question:
        My advice: Let sleeping dogs lie.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: Re: The evil in Ravana is Arrogance .. not race or sex!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.200914.10995@uoft02.utoledo.edu> vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan) writes:
>
>	When it was KumbhakarNa's turn, he asked for "nirdEvam" (no dEvaas
>	at all). The dEvaas knew that this was what he was going to ask for,
>	so they asked Saraswathi to sit on his tongue and get his request
>	corrected. She obliged, and the request came out as "nidrEvam"
>	(sleep for me). This request was *hastily* granted.
>
>	Ever since, KumbhakarNa got to sleep eternally, with only a day or
>	two being awake.
>

	Not true. His request was modified to 6 months sleep and 6 months
	waking time.

>	
>        Siva Prasad.
>
>	P.S:  I am no Sanskrit expert - so somebody who has better knowledge
>	of it, correct the above for grammatical mistakes.

J Anand.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ash@IASTATE.EDU (Ashok Shankarnarayan)
Subject: ATTN:STUDENTS IN OLD DOMINION, NORFOLK
Keywords: RELOCATION, TEMPORARY ACCOMODATION
Reply-To: ash@IASTATE.EDU (Ashok Shankarnarayan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:36:07 GMT

Hi,

My name is Ashok Shankarnarayan. I'm a recent graduate of Iowa State
University.
I am relocating to Virginia Beach to take up a job there. As this offer came 
through real quick and I have to report for work on Nov 16, I have not been
able to set up an apartment so far. So I would really appreciate if anybody 
at Norfolk could put me up for a couple of days. I plan to leave Iowa by 
Tuesday, Nov 10 and drive down to Virginia.

Thanks in advance,


Ashok.
(ash@iastate.edu)
From: keyush@cis.ksu.edu (Keyush Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: emirates airlines
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:16:48 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

Hi,

Has anyone travelled by emirates airline before? I am getting a deal on 
continental/emirates for trip to india. Before I buy the ticket I would 
like to know how reliable the airline is.

thanks,

keyush shah
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36237 soc.culture.tamil:3378
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: On Indian Civilization being the Oldest..
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:42:20 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <MANI.92Nov6130141@sabotage.Berkeley.EDU> mani@cs.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <Bx7LJF.7D3@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>
>   with whether Shankara, Ramanuja, or Madhva were Tamilians. For your info. 
>   Shankara was a Malayalee, Ramanuja was a Telugu (he was born in our Tirupathi) 
>   not anywhere in Tamilnadu.
>
>No, Ramanujacharya was born in Sriperumbudur, between Madras
>and Kanchipuram, and was definitely a Tamilian. There is a
>shrine dedicated to him next to the Vishnu temple there.
>
He was born in Tirupathi. He lived most of his life in SriRanga
Patnam. The shrine dedicated to him at SriPerumbudur, I donot know.
Incidentally I only read about it recently, till then I was thinking that
he was born in SriPerumbudur.
I did not visit SriPerumbudur the last time I went to Kancheevaram. 
My heart was sapped after seeing the decay of the Kamakshi temple.

>   Again the metaphysical content of Shankara, Ramanuja, and Madhva are
>   all founded on Badarayana's works. Indeed he is the fulcrum of thought.
>   Just because X happened to be a Tamilain, or just because Y happened
>   to be a follower of X, does not damn make the thought dravidian, whether
>   in racist terms or cultural terms.
>
>Well, actually, although Ramanuja's thought is based on
>Badarayana's Brahma-Sutras, he is described by Sri Vaishnavas
>as an Ubhaya Vedantin, one who practices both the Sanskrit and
>the Dravida Vedanta.  Tradition is quite clear in stating that
>the meaning of the Upanishads was made clear by the content of
>the poems of Nammalvar, who wrote exclusively in Tamil.
>

It is true that Ramanuja that Ramanuja synthesized the devotionalism of the
Alvars (more specifically of Nammalvar) which is Tamilian. But the vedanthic
aspect of it is fully Aryan; meaning that it is Badarayana's axiomatization
of the Brahman that was the fulcrum of all the south Indian thought. In 
analogical  reasoning up with the axioms is perhaps the toughest especially
at that abstract level. The credit for such abstract and superlative
metaphysical thoughts should always go to the Aryan rishis. I am not
trying in any way to diminish the contributions of Ramanuja, Shankara,
or of Madhva who are amongst the great philosophers that our land 
has generated.

>So the tradition of Ramanuja is clearly a product of the
>confluence of Sanskritic and Tamil streams of religion. I must
>agree, however, that this is more of a cultural division than
>an ethnic one.
>
>Mani
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sbhati86@ursa.calvin.edu (Sanjay Bhatia)
Subject: Urdu poetry
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:24:06 GMT

Hi everyone,
	does anyone know if the urdu poetry group got started as yet?
If so, could you pl. send me the full name of the group.  Thanks.

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From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Why does India always miss the bus, YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE.
Keywords: India, Nehru, Socialism, Economy.
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:30:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Nov6.163016.27626
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

(Sudhindranath SG) writes:

>Assuming that this was true in the Indian context, may I ask why 
>there wasn't any major change in the bureaucratic set-up that we 
>inherited from the British ? Why don't we, till this day, have an 
>administration that is responsive to the people's needs ? Why does
>the administration treat our people in the same way that the Britishers
>treated them ? Why ? 

You have obviously given the matter much more thought than I have.
This seems to be a pet peeve of all patriots.  The British ruined 
us while they were in India, and even after we threw them out, they 
still hinder our progress with their legacy.  Certainly we need a 
bureacracy of some kind, someone to administer the country.  So tell 
me what kind would meet with your approval.

To me this complaint has always sounded like junta cribbing after
spoiling a test that the whole examination system is rotten, means 
nothing, and prevents them from realizing their true potential.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate)
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:57:04 GMT

hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim) writes:

>Dear Sir,

>I am with the Amnesty International. We will be working on human rights in 
>India very soon. According to my information, India has one of the worst
>human right abuses. India is in the red line.

	
	Dubious information.  And, FYI, Amnesty International simply
does not compare and grade countries on human rights records.

							Gauri.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu