HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eajjs@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.sottile)
Subject: Re: Heritage Softail
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:44:05 GMT

In article <26AUG92.20530231@vax.clarku.edu> fdeignan@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>I've been riding motorcycles for thirty years now.  I've owned Hondas,
>Suzukis, and Kawasakis.  Last year I bought a Harley Davidison Heritage,
>turqoise and cream!  It's the best bike I've ever owned!  I get more

I recently went through the motorcycle blues looking for something to ride.
I was looking for a touring bike and, after only 2 real choices, the
Dresser and the GoldWing, I decided on the GoldWing.  What the Dresser
DID do for me was to make me realize that, in addition to a touring bike,
I REALLY need a harley (and how).

The last time I looked, the Heritage was exactly what I wanted.  What kind 
of price and options are going on these puppies now?


=============================
John Sottile                             "That Guy has to Oil his Brakes!"
AT&T Bell Labs                           #include <std/disclaimer/who-me?.h>
jjs@cblph.att.com
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: hd non-cruisers
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:07:10 GMT
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <JET.92Aug28134956@win30.nas.nasa.gov> jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>Some thoughts on the future of HD bikes...
>
     <stuff deleted>
>
>%40 of HD's business is outside the US, so it would seem that they

According to this morons' 1991 HD financial report they shipped 31% of
their bikes overseas.  Just another data point for your gratification.

>aren't being hurt too terribly much by the us economy (I dunno if that

    <stuff deleted>

>[This is pretty mundane, but I'm sure it's going to be flame-bait for
>some moron or another. ;-]
>

  true, so what was the point?

>--
>             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
>           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
>      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
--
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Need info on locking Gas Caps
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:46:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>This may sound funny, but the gas cap from my Sporty fit on my '86 Dodge Charger.
>Out of desperation, I tried it after I lost the cap after a fill up and was
>leaving on a trip.  Didn't have time to buy a new one, and rain was forcast,
>so I used the HD cap on the car.  Must say, it looked really nice.  I've got
>the chromed one with the gold eagle.

>-- 
>Suzanne Cascella, Systems Programmer	cascella-suzanne@cs.yale.edu
>Yale University CS Department		cascella-suzanne@yalecs.bitnet
>New Haven, CT  06520			cascella-suzanne@yale.arpa
>(203)432-6427				FAX: (203)432-0593

And I suppose you have one of those tiger-tails hanging out Your Sportster
tank????

nuk nuk

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fdeignan@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: EVO carb
Organization: Clark University
Date: 26 AUG 92 23:51:57 GMT

I think they gave you the run-around!  That's a lot of BS about the high
octane.  I use 92 octane ALL the time (8600 miles now) and have run into
NO trouble.
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Was:Best Oil for Evo's Now: best oil for Harleys
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:37:38 GMT
Distribution: usa

neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:

>Has anyone out there had any experience with using AeroShell or Mobil-1
>synthetic piston-engine aviation motor oil in Harley engines? I have used
>Harley brand oil exclusively and I'm getting the urge to experiment. I
>have a friend who's an aircraft A & P mechanic who had completely rebuilt
>a '49 panhead from basketcase to showpiece and swears that the aviation oil
>is better than Harley oil for both lubrication properties and resistance to
>thermal breakdown for about the same cost. Any comments????

I use Torco 20/50 in my Concours, and I've subjected it to some
serious heat and stress, without an inkling of viscosity breakdown.
Now I finish the Sportster, and lthe HD guys at the shop swear that
running anything but Hog oil is blasphemous and stupid. I keep asking
folks to give me some facts about this stuff, but get nowhere. can
anyone  tell me what could make Hog oil better than my Torco?

By the way, the polimer(sp) that the Torco has mixed in has some adhesion
charactreristics that I like for starting too...

*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES*!^^^^^^^^^^^^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: That's like asking why is the sky blue.
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:44:35 GMT

__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: hd non-cruisers
	<1992Aug28.223709.11772@javelin.sim.es.com>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:14:45


"blgardner" == Dances With Bikers <blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com> writes:

blgardner> Maybe you missed the Evo engine and belt drives? H-D hasn't done
blgardner> anything as (comparitively) radical as the K-whiner BMW, but their
blgardner> updates seem to be about on par with the R series BMWs.

Hm.  I guess I was thinking on a bigger scale than belt drive and
working engine. :-)  I'd love to see a sportster-based GS-killer or a
fatboy based PD-type bike.

Hm..  Now *that'd* be a limited market...



--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: reno@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (Shaun Reno)
Subject: FLH frame 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:39:15 GMT

I recently purchased a FLH frame that I plan to use as the platform for my first HD.  The frame seems to be 68-72 vintage.  It will most likely be powered by a shovelhead.  Both short and long trips will be put on the bike with my girlfriend as a passenger.

I'm looking for suggestions on a good front end for this frame with comfort being a higher priority than performance(both would be nice).  Also does anybody know a good source of HD information such as parts interchangability.  Any help would be appreciated.

RENO
  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Chroming, powder coating, lower ends
Keywords: $$$ ???
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:11:05 GMT

--
<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.comIn article <1992Aug26.170044.7338@ttinews.tti.com>,
paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Path:
|
ryn.mro4.dec.com!oct17.dfe.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!wupost!uunet!new
ws.claremont.edu!ucivax!orion.oac.uci.edu!ttinews!harley!paulb
|>From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
|>Subject: Re: Chroming, powder coating, lower ends
|>Message-ID: <1992Aug26.170044.7338@ttinews.tti.com>

|>In article 52:  Paul D. Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA,
|>HOG, KD6LAA
writes:

|>This won't help your particular case, but may be of general interest.
|>There is a third option.  Some shops have a chrome exchange.  It is always
|>cheaper to chrome/re-chrome a part than to buy a chromed one.  For those
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is not always true. Case in point is chrome hardware (nuts, bolts, etc).
New
chrome hardware from quality manufacturers like Gardner-Wescott are cheaper 
to buy, in most cases, and are of higher quality, than sending your hardware to
a chrome shop. Gardener-Wescott also uses grade 5 or better fasteners as a
base.
You might not be chroming this quality of fastener. 

Personally, I'm a big stainless steel fan. Every fastener that can be stainless
on
my bike, is.  You can polish it to a bright, long lasting sheen very easily, and
it
does not rust, pit, or flake. If it gets scratched, you can polish it out. Every
piece is
grade 5 or better....and cheaper, too.

CdH

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Fork Locks (Re: Dealing with the Dealer)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:23:37 GMT

>>>I do imagine that most bike thieves just come up to the bike in question and
>>>lift it into the back of a truck no rolling required.  In this case they can
>>>deal with the lock at their own pace.  Given the time all locks will yield to
>>>force.
>
>I believe this was how my first HD was stolen. Had both a fork lock and a case
>hardened chain thru the rear wheel and sprocket with massive locks on both, and
>I came out one morning and found the whole thing missing (locks and all) so
>I figured that a couple of people showed up with a van or something and a 
>hoist and just picked the whole mess up. Probably took less than 2 minutes.

My girlfriend owned a small Japanese bike (no flames please) which she chained
to the bycycle rack on campus when she went to work.  One evening she came out
of the building to find the bike was gone.  In addition, the rack was gone,
several bicycles were gone, and a few cubic feet of concrete chipped away.
The police officer thought it was absolutely hilarious.
--scott
From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Question on backfiring ???
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:08:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.163850.16109@brtph560.bnr.ca> hog@bnr.ca (Roger  
Seelaender) writes:
> Could someone please give me some hints on what to look for
> with the following problem I have been having with my 85 FXWG
> lately. When I come down off the throttle from high RPM's, just
> letting of the gas and not pulling the clutch, I am starting
> to get quite a bit of backfiring out of both cylinders. I have
> already replaced the plugs (old ones did not look bad) and 
> cleaned the carb. Please post replies here. Thanks.
> 
> Roger Seelaender
> '85 FXWG ( YUK to rubber mounts)
>   

Timing, timing, timing. If that isn't it, start looking for vacuum leaks at the  
intake manifold. Have your pipes turned blue at the heads since this started?  
Does the bike idle well? What else can you add?
--
**********************************************************
Scott Colbath
Stratus Computer
Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
**********************************************************
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: On wheel sizes (was some answers...
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:42:44 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

On 21"  front wheels

	Personally, I'd not recommend a 21" front wheel on any
	late model street Harley. They just don't corner hard
	well at all. The 21" has some virtues on early springers
	but the modern front ends have the tech to obviate the
	big wheel and maintain the big tire patch you want.

	A 21" is _super_ on dirt and gravel, however.

	(My opinion - I've been running a 21" for years.)
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Raise bars on BMW R100RS?
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:17:04 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	I need to raise the handelbar on a R100RS ('81) by
	about an inch.  From the looks of the stock riser, this
	would appear to be a common and simple aftermarket
	product.

	Can anyone recommend a source?  Time is of the essence.
	Thanks.

 john
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: FXR Opinions
Keywords: Harley, FXR
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:50:24 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

Re: shocks

Have you tried the Progressive Suspension Magnumatic air shocks? They are air
over oil and
the air portion is adjustable. I have them on my '79 FX stroker and love 'em. I
run 15 lbs.
around town and pump 'em up to 70 lbs. when it's time to burn tires.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:13:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.221350.3286@sequent.com> stm@sequent.com (Scott "Worf" MacQuarrie) writes:
>It's good to see this group finally show up.
>
>-- 
>Scott T. MacQuarrie  Marketing Training Developer, Sequent Computer Systems   
>     stm@sequent.com    Beaverton, OR      503-578-5456 
>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>     safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."  -  Benjamin Franklin



Yea, it's about time. Now, if someone would give me a Harley, I could
contribute some worthy posts to this group! ;^}


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From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Springer front
Keywords: springer front ends
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:44:46 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Distribution: rec
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

Clean used FXSTS springers go for about $1800 out here. I've got a line one one
if you're
serious.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Subject: Re: apropos: Harley means...
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:08:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.180027.15146@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <carlp.715123941@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>
>|-) Dyna-Glide chassis.  This is certainly new HD, maybe you consider
>|   it "style" instead of technologial improvement, but 'tain't so.
>
>I have a question about the Dyna-Glide chassis.  What exactly is different
>about it, and what does the new technology accomplish?  Stiffness, engine
>isolation, marketing?  What?  (All the mags I read rave about it, but they
>only say "better", not how much better, or why better.)
>
>Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
>90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
>84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
>AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman


There are two main differences in the DynaGlide frame. First, the major
structural member of the frame is a large, square corss-section beam
that curves down under the tank from the steering head to just above
the swingarm pivot. The frame was computer-designed and they claim
better consistency between frames with this design.

The other main difference is in the engine mounts. It's rubber mounted
as in the Low Rider frames, but the mounts were completely redesigned.
The result: a lot of vibration below 2500 RPM, but almost none above.
I've never ridden a Low Rider, so I can't comment on the difference. My
DynaGlide is very smooth on the highway; there's just enough vibration
to let you know that big engine is down there thumpin' away, but never
enough to make you uncomfortable, even on long trips (I've ridden mine
from Tennessee to Florida and back). At 85, the fastest I've taken mine
to, you can still see what's in your mirrors.

I'm totally satisfied with my Dyna. I have friends who love their rigid-
mount Softies, but most of them do complain about vibration at certain
cruising speeds.

 Wade Franklin      wfrank@well.sf.ca.us
 '92 FXDC DynaGlide Custom
 '86 Yamaha Radian 600
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: somebody 'splain please
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:19:25 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

at the risk of being accused of crying wolf, I'll try to ask a serious
question.

would someone explain to me what all the different Harley designations are
and what aspect of the bike qualifies it as such?

I know what the 883 sportsters look like, and I can recognize the
springer, but only because of full page layouts in MC rags. if you
had a lot full of Harleys I couldn't pick out the FLHT to save my
life. what is a shovelhead and why? which ones have belts? etc, etc.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: apropos: Harley means...
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:15:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Sep3.171538.19519
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing

In article <Bu0CqF.36t@well.sf.ca.us>, wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin) writes:
> I'm totally satisfied with my Dyna. I have friends who love their rigid-
> mount Softies, but most of them do complain about vibration at certain
> cruising speeds.

I have a 91 FXSTC (Softail) and cannot see out of my mirrors above 70-75mph
(exactly when you're most interested in approaching police cars) but
the vibration does not bother me.  Most of my vibration seems to come
from the primary chain since it virtually disappears for the first
100-200 miles after a chain adjustment.  Although the vibration is
still there in the 80+mph range, I'm generally holding on for dear life
(no windshield) and am not looking in the mirrors.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: hd non-cruisers
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:54:16 GMT

--

In article <ramarren-290892073559@kip-4.apple.com>, ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey
DiGiorgi) writes:

|>Harley obtained a reputation for being complete horseshit after the AMF 
|>takeover: zero quality control and utterly stagnant technology. This 
|>after a long history of being considered one of the world's best made
|>motorcycles.

It got this reputation because people like you spread this HORSESHIT 
around.

AMF had some quality control problems, just like HD does today. The
difference is, HD catches them in the process and corrects it, AMF was
satisfied to do rework. There's NOTHING WRONG with AMF bikes. You
might see more problems with an AMF era bike TODAY because that
many more numbnut pseudo-mechanics had their hands on the bike
.vs. the later models. Find a clean, one owner shovel thats' been
maintained well by a competent mechanic and it will last a long, long
time.

|>The redesign of the engine into the Evo was a major feat for a small 
|>company after they bought themselves back from the AMF scum. The continued
|>improvement in frame and suspension technology, the fact that a current
|>FatBoy or Sportster can actually be considered a pleasant, good handling,
|>reliable machine ... I disagree with john stafford's negative feelings 
|>towards the company at this point. While the poser and silly shit they 
|>get into is garbage, the bikes are the best they've ever made. 

Really. Too bad you're on the left coast, Stafford, I'd buy you a brew.
Maybe we should request this group be renamed to rec.motorcycles.evo.
It's as if nothing that preceded it was any good at all. 

The Evo motor was designed for the EPA. The shovel was designed
for PERFORMANCE. 

Hey Godfrey:

I'll GLADLY run my AMF scum against that Interceptor. I'll blow you into
the weeds.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 12:03:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I do not mind at all the fact that non-Harley riders can
contribute/post/lurk, what.have.you.  But the clutter brought on by who
left what jap bike out of their signature, who rides a beamer, etc. is
a waste of bandwith and my time.  THAT IMNSHO is jap crap to the max.

Most of us have ridden a jap bike one time or another anyway.  But the
discussion of these bikes belong elsewhere.

- -SunShine


(PS: I am relieved to see that I didn't start a flame war (really), and
I may even keep my subscription!)

(PPS: I have been called a bigot, and yes, I am.)
From: loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Interest in HD reviews?
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:20:41 GMT
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials


	I am the self-appointed archivist for the Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews
Archives.  I've been soliciting (and receiving) reviews for a several
months now on many makes and models, European and Japanese. And I have
a question for rec.motorcycles.harley readers:

	Are any of you interested in having the archive maintain
HD reviews and information?

	I haven't received a single HD-oriented review or seen one
to pick out of the news.  Subsequently, I have decided that HD'ers
aren't interested in this service and stopped looking for HD reviews.
I expect to stop reading rec.motorcycles.harley due to time constraints;
I haven't seen anything resembling comments or reviews like on
rec.motorcycles.  So, I thought I'd do the decent thing and ask before
giving up on you all.

	If I receive enough positive support, I'll make an effort to
collect your opinions and keep up with rec.motorcycles.harley; I'll
even learn the HD model designations by heart.  If not... ride on.

P.S. Yes, I drive a rice-burner.  Yes, I would like to own an HD.
  But I'd prefer a Buell.

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