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From: acp@cray.com (Anthony Peterson)
Subject: Flintstone jelly jar glasses
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:16:12 CDT


	Back in the 1960's, way before recycling was
	in vogue, Welch's sold jelly in jars adorned
	with scenes from the Flintstones which could
	be used for drinking glasses once you had fed
	the jelly to your dog.

	I've decided that while my kids could really
	use new shoes before the snow flies, they
	might benefit more from the experience of
	drinking their evaporated milk from one of these
	vessels. After all, look what it's done for me.
	It might also be an effective way to get the
	brats to keep their sticky little meat hooks
	off my Playboy glasses. You know, the ones
	that when emptied leave the icons of feminisim
	printed on the side naked.
	
	Would there be a place that sells these glasses
	and would anyone know what the going price is,
	how many different scenes were printed, and finally,
	did they make a glass that when emptied left Betty
	naked?
From: SDOGGETT@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: radio
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:31:35 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep30.190830.12703@clpd.kodak.com>
fedorjak@pche.serum.kodak.com (John Fedorjaka (x39829)) writes:

>Stromberg-Carlson AM-FM radio, Model 1210 series 12, radio receiver N0. 1210 PL
>"MAYFLOWER". It's 32" high, 31" wide, and 17" deep. It's got a turntable and on
>large (~15") speaker. From what I've heard here, it's a 1946 model. The unit isin
>great shape and sounds good considering the technology it was built with.
>
>I'm trying to get an idea as to it's worth if I should ever decide to sell it.
>I'd also be interested in any historical info in regard to the radio. For exampe:
Stromberg-Carlson is known for quality.  They made some very impressive sets.
Using the Sam's Index, it appears as if yours is a 1948 model.  Unfortunately,
it's not a very desireable set.  The reason for this is it's a combonation reco
rd player.  I consider myself a fairly knowledgable radio collector, but can't
really tell you why this is!  Combos just aren't desirable with radio collector
s.  I've seen very nice examples sit on tables at our swap meets for $10 to $
15 with no one buying.  The most important thing , of course, is that you like
it.  If you ever decide to sellit, try to sellit to someone who is not really i
nto old radios.  I've seen these in antique stores for around $50.  Come to thi
nk of it, they sit in these stores for years also.  4 years ago, I saw an old r
adio/record player (1946) in the trash.  I thought it was unique so I stopped &
 picked it up.  I now own over 200!  Be careful, you may be a latent radioholic
  I think it's genetic, you get one radio and you just can't stop buying more.
  Good luck, Spencer Doggett


Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: watpod78@alfred.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: Antique English Wine Bottles
Summary: A question
Keywords: bottle 
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:21:19 GMT

Does anyone out there have an interest in, or knowledge about, or
happen to own, any 17th, 18th, or 19th C English black glass wine
bottles?  Barring that specifically, an interest in bottles in general?
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: nuyu@candle.uucp (Christine Momjian)
Subject: Tin plating
Organization: a consultant's basement
Distribution: pa 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:59:30 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

We have recetly purchased some nice copper pots, which have some tin
plating.  They need to be replated so that they can be used again.  

We live in the Philadelphia, PA area, and I have not had any success in
finding  someone who can tin plate the pots for us.  We have tried the
phone book, and also referrals which the people whom we called
mentioned.  Thanks for your help.

   
-- 
Christine Momjian --------- nuyu%candle.uucp@bts.com
From: claude@banana.fedex.com (claude bowie)
Subject: child's writing slate
Keywords: chalk writing slate
Organization: Federal Express Corp.
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:28:15 GMT

i have a very old (over 100 years) chalk writing slate that was used
in school by the child at his desk. i assume it was intended for use
by elementary grade children learning the alphabet. the slate has 4
sides and a cloth border around the edges. it is bound in the middle
to open like a book. does anyone have any additional info on how widely
the slates were used in schools and value?
thanks,
claude
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Newsgroups: rec.antiques

Dovetail joint if it's really a shaker.
From: nvecchi@sangiorgio.cscs.ch (Nicole Vecchi)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re:  Gustav Stuckley
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:25:48 GMT
Followup-To: nvecchi
Organization: Centro Svizzero di Calcolo Scientifico / CH-6928 Manno

I've been a "mission" fan for many years. End of this month I'm going to 
have the opportunity to travel in Upstate New York and wondered if there
are any sites around Syracuse where one can buy pieces?

Thanks in advance.

Nicole


(I'm leaving on October 20)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: wallace@dtc.hp.com (David Wallace)
Subject: Re: Vegas World info wanted
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:15:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Oct1.024713.26921@unixg.ubc.ca> swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood) writes:
>
>Frankly I don't think it makes the slightest bit of difference whether
>you use real cashable chips or the match play chips, but then I'm not 
>a math.weenie.  BTW you don't lose the match play chips on a push at
>Vegas World do you?

I noted in my analysis that you don't lose the "casino action" chips (not
quite the same as "match play") on a push at Vegas World.  And yes, it does
make a difference which you use.  In general, the odds at Vegas World are
bad enough that you don't want to play with real money.  You just want to
convert your casino action chips to real money and go elsewhere for your
serious gambling.  So in general, you should prefer to use your casino
action chips whenever possible (on even money bets only), so you can
minimize the total amount of action you spend in VW.  My analysis simply
noted that there are some times at Blackjack where the odds are enough in
your favor that you would be willing to make an exception to this general
rule and use real money.


-- 
Dave W. 	(dwallace@dtc.hp.com)
From: stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:05:20 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct4.215659.29341@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM writes:
>  Well, you can generally just watch the wheel and write down your results.
>  The house (in Vegas at least) tends to have no problem with this.  The
>  bigger problem is that most roulette plays take several minutes.  This 
>  is 30 plays an hour or only about 750 plays a day.  Unfortunately, most
>  casinos change their wheels regularly, at least every couple of days,
>  and often every shift.  Since you have no easy way of knowing which
>  wheel is which (unless you tried to mark it or something :-) your chances
>  of figuring out whether a wheel is biased over a large enough sample size
>  and then actually being able to play your findings at THAT wheel is very
>  very slim, probably non-existent.  

	Supposedly it's possible to track wheels as they're moved from
table to table by memorizing patterns in the wood grain.  I imagine that I
could do this, after sitting there staring at the thing for eight+ hours.

	Roulette play in many casinos may be suffieciently common that 
you could get away with not betting a lot of the time.  That's a plus,
but the more people at the wheel, the longer the time between spins, 
which is a real minus.  It could actually be better to sit at an empty
wheel and bet the minimum every time and get data quickly than to have
to spend a couple of extra days hanging around a popular wheel gathering 
data and paying extra hotel fees.  Also, no troubles getting the free 
drinks if you're betting.

	-Mark
From: swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:39:14 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Sep30.153510.6526@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>
>>	I've heard about a roulette system for sale for $300,
>>	which essentially trains you to do the same type of
>>	extrapolation in the Eudaemonic Pie, with no electronics.
>
>>	Has anyone heard of this or know anything about the
>>	system?  I have the name somewhere.
>
>
>  I dunno, but I do have this bridge for sale..... 

I haven't heard of this but doubt its general validity since it
is probably *geared* to the speed of your brain.  Note, your
brain speed may differ.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: downtown LV
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.090007.1@azcc.arizona.edu> kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu writes:
>
>I have heard from friends and family that the rules in downtown Las Vegas
>are more favorable than on the strip. I assume to get people downtown.
>I heard the slots pay off better, my question is are the blackjack rules
>more favorable downtown? Is it worth going downtown on my next trip up
>there?

Traditional downtown blackjack rules differ from traditional strip
blackjack rules in that the former hits soft 17, while the latter stands
on soft 17.  Thus, the rules downtown are slightly worse, as a general
rule of thumb.  However, most of the casinos downtown offer single deck
games; they are harder to find on the strip (and single deck games with
strip rules are even harder to find - Circus Circus, Westward Ho, Frontier,
and not much else.)

-- 
Michael Hall            \ "Another round?  Another round?"
NASA Ames Research Center\ - anonymous dealer at anonymous casino
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith)
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:35:10 GMT

yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:


>	I've heard about a roulette system for sale for $300,
>	which essentially trains you to do the same type of
>	extrapolation in the Eudaemonic Pie, with no electronics.

>	Has anyone heard of this or know anything about the
>	system?  I have the name somewhere.


  I dunno, but I do have this bridge for sale..... 
-- 
 On October 26th, vote YES to Canada!!                                           I'll believe in the first religion I find that realizes God is a Habs Fan. 
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Subject: Question on BJ counting systems
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 16:25:24 GMT

I've seen several exchanges about BJ counting systems over the past
couple of years, and one thing has always puzzled me.  Time to ask ...

I use Revere's "Advanced Point Count" mostly by default: I learned it
some 20 years ago when there weren't many alternatives, and I haven't
gotten around to changing.  Anyway, I have always been puzzled by the
three lines shown in the following table from the FAQL:

   name             complex power      card weights             reference
                                A  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  X
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  RED SEVEN          3.5    19  -1  1  1  1  1  1 R:1      -1  BiB
  WONG HIGH-LOW       5     19  -1  1  1  1  1  1          -1  PB
  REVERE APC          6     17  -2  1  2  2  2  2  1       -2  PBaaB


First of all, the three systems are almost IDENTICAL.  In Revere, you
count each 2 and each 7 as "one-half," in Red Seven you count each 2
as 1 and each 7 as "one-half," and in High-Low you count each 2 as 1
and each 7 as 0.  This is not a lot of difference.  Yet the "power"
rating of both Red Seven and High-Low is significantly *HIGHER* than
Revere's -- how come???  Are Revere's strategy variations *WRONG*?

Thanks for any enlightenment! :-)

    Wayne Hathaway               domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
    Ultra Network Technologies     uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne
    101 Daggett Drive             phone: 408-922-0100 x132
    San Jose, CA 95134              FAX: 408-433-9287
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Effects of bad players at poker.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:55:06 GMT

In article <zlsiida.133@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

>In article <1992Sep21.174310.37378@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:

>>Since I'm in it this far, I'll call."
>>
>>Aaaaarrrrrrgghh!!!


>well i just started reading Education of a Poker Player and just about the 
>first point in it is that you have to assess the other players' intelligence.
>As important as knowing the odds....

Actually, Frank's quote isn't all that different from many top players'
advice that one ought to nearly always call at the end, merely because
of the pot odds.

Of course, not many of them would play a K 10 offsuit...


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From: nawrocki@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (PaulBear)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Shuffle procedure...
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:39:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Howdy folks!!!

Just a quick question, I'm working on a poker simulation that will use
a motif GUI interface to simulate the pot, cards, etc...

However, I have come to a sort of a problem, first, I need the
pictures (gifs perhaps?) of the actual cards...If there is an ftp
site with such pictures i would be grateful if someone would tell me
which one.  

Also, I am looking for a good algorithm for shuffling the cards other
than your basic traditional "pick a random number using random()".   I
think that random() is not statistically random enough to use it
alone.  So if anyone knows of any references, etc.  for this sort of
thing I would also love to hear of them as well!!!

Thanks in advance,
  Don

--
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Chairman of the Dining Philosophers
CSE '93
Doer of good deeds....
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Las Vegas, Laughlin trip
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:03:30 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Just got back from a trip to Las Vegas and Laughlin. My wife and I stayed
in Laughlin and went up to Las Vegas for a day. We stayed at the Gold River
in Laughlin. I played mostly Blackjack, but did not do well at all at Gold
River. They had a lot of automatic shuffling machines there. You are not
allowed to cut the cards after the machine shuffles them. I asked why, but
did not get a good answer. Anyway I lost about $60.00 there. I did much
better at the Golden Nugget, also did well there 2 months ago. At the
Golden Nugget I started at $3.00 per bet and when I got ahead, my wife
started playing, I taught her the basic strategy and raised bets with
good counts. We eventually went to $5.00 per hand and up. We won about 
$100.00 there. We were able to double down on any two cards, some casinos
in Laughlin, can ony double down on 10 or 11.

The drive up to Las Vegas was about 1.5 hrs. We spent most of our time
in the Stardust casino. I did real well at the 2 deck tables. One hand
I split 8's until I was playing four hands. I won them all as the dealer 
busted (she had a five showing). We drove by Vegas World and saw the the
tower is under construction. There has been a lot of talk recently in this
group about bad playing. I saw some real bad plays up there. I saw someone
stay with an 8, she lost and left the table. Another player took a hit on
2 aces without splitting them, actually took to hits, two tens. One guy
playing next to me has 2 tens and asked me if he should split them against
the dealers 10. I convinced him to stay. He said that his uncle always
splits 10's and wins big. I heard a lot of stories of people doubling 
down on naturals to get 2:1 instead of 3:2. I played some video poker,
and got a straight flush, unfortunatly it was a nickel machine, bet a 
nickle. All in all, a good trip we made it back home $11.00 ahead counting
all expenses. 

Ken
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:09:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct3.231622.20388@odin.corp.sgi.com> stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz) writes:
>> What I mean is this.  Wouldn't it be a wonderfully agressive
>> strategy to bet on 35 out of 36 numbers? There are certain
>> specific numers that don't come in for thousands of spins
>> (in a random cyclical fashion).  You could sit there and win
>> one unit per spin with great reliablity in a game like craps
>> if you could parse your bet out like that.  But one zero
>> every so often kills the whole thing.
>
>	There are 38 numbers on a standard American roulette wheel, not 36.
>
>	You can bet on 35 numbers, 37 of the 38 numbers -- even 38 of the 38
>numbers.  The house advantage is always 5.26% when you're making single-number
>bets on a double-zero wheel.  How many bets you make, how many bets you
>make simultaneously, the numbers you put those bets on...none of this 
>matters.  Think about this.  If you still think your strategy is a wise one, 
>try it in Atlantic City or Vegas some time, and see what happens.
>
>	-Mark
>	

	How can you speak in a contradictory manner when we agree?
	Can't you read? 
-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: baw2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Bruce A Weisberg)
Subject: Re: Connecticut casinos  also Double Exposure
Reply-To: baw2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Bruce A Weisberg)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:35:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.151428.25807@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.040715.18345@seas.gwu.edu> thail@seas.gwu.edu (Samuel R. Posten) writes:
>>Has anybody been to the casinos in Connecticut that are run by indians?
>
>Yup.  Going there tonight, as a matter of fact.

	They're run by Indians, but I haven't seen any there yet.  But they
got plenty wampum, I know that.

>>I hear they are pretty good, but I want to go to a place thats not as
>>crowded as AC.
>
>Then don't go to Foxwoods (the casino in question).  It's *real* crowded.
>If you think about it, they've got a monopoly on the gaming in this area,
>so anyone who wants to gamble goes there.  I only go there to play poker,
>and that's getting better, but I hear horror stories about the table games.
	
	There's no greater horror than waiting for a cheap table to open up at
poker.  But I have seen dealers who can't pay out properly, which can be bad or good ;).....mostly the crowd there is from Boston and the surrounding area, 
which is only 2 hours away.  BJ is 8 decks :b and the craps dealers get con-
fused frequently.  Good luck.......
From: stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:00:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.125323.27279@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.200614.6906@odin.corp.sgi.com> stantz@sgi.com (Mark Stantz) writes:
>>	All the time you're sitting there trying to find the biased numbers,
>>betting on odd/even, red/black, etc..., while writing down the results, the 
>>house percentage is eating away at you...it really adds up, too.
>
>
>	Agreed.  The nature of roulette is different than other "even
>	proposition" games in that you can sub-divide your bets.  i.e.
>	not just bet on red/black.  Bet on 1-17 and 23, for example.
>	This is a powerfull tool. Except that "O" does whittle away.

	This does not make sense.  Assume that we never make corner bets 
(house advantage worse than 5.26%.)  Then no matter where you put your money 
on the roulette layout, and regardless of how you proportion it, the house
will still win an average of 5.26% of the money you bet on each spin.  This is 
all but certain, since when want to study the outcomes of thousands of spins, 
you're putting yourself in the game for the 'long run'.  The only sensible 
strategy is to bet the minimum every time while you're gathering your 
statistical data.  Doing so on "even-money" bets will tend to reduce your 
varience while playing.

	-Mark
From: wilding@cs.utexas.edu (Matthew Wilding)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Question on BJ counting systems
Date: 5 Oct 1992 09:42:48 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Of Red Seven, Wong High-Low, and Revere APC, Wayne Hathaway writes:

> First of all, the three systems are almost IDENTICAL. (...) Yet the
> "power" rating of both Red Seven and High-Low is significantly
> *HIGHER* than Revere's -- how come??? 

  When the Revere APC system was submitted for the survey, the
submitter included a note that Rever APC is "considered obsolete".
The simulation results seem to back this up since Revere APC is more
complex and a little less powerful than several other systems.

  "Why" one system is better than another is a tricky question.  There
are no doubt some situations in which Revere APC is superior.
However, through simulation, we can conclude that most of the time
you're better off with one of the other systems.

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: pss6@quads.uchicago.edu (Philip Stylianos)
Subject: Accessing shows in LV
Reply-To: pss6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:50:44 GMT

I'm going in early November, and my girlfriend wants to see a show (Sigfried and
Roy). How do I find out what's playing in what hotels, and how do I buy tickets,
being in Chicago?

Mail's good enough, since it's unrelated to what actually is discussed here.

Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Philip Stylianos


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Has anyone read Caro's "12 Days to hold 'em Success"?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:01:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Title says it all.  I just finished the first lesson and I've already
got a couple of questions.  (He may be a world-class draw player, but
if this book is any indication soo far, he's not much of a writer!)

Please let me know and I'll air my questions in private.

mpz
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