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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Tigers/Twins  Game-8  8/25/92
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:02:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19890
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


       Tigers ............. 4 ; Twins ............. 3

The Tigers got another one under their belt and beat the Twins
4-3. Fortunately the EK blew a save at Fenway and the Twins
still find themselves a big 7 games behind the "we will not
slump" As. 

Looks like even the second position is at risk for the Twins as
the Chi-Sox are just 1 game behind the Twins. As of now, if the
Twins have some hope, I can say that even the Sox has some hope.

S.H
Forever Twins
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: mike harkey
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:52:46 GMT

In article 92BBB4A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu () writes:
>I know Mike harkey missed his last start with a groin problem, does anybody
>out there know the extent of his injury or his next start. thanks for the
>assistance.
>

From what I've heard, the Cubs plan to evaluate him from start to start and 
see how he feels that day. Besides, Sept 1 is only 5 days away, so if the Cubs
decide to get more help from the farm (whatever's left of it), they can do
just that. 

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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  A brain cramp,
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |  that's what it
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |  is, a brain cramp!
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:45:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.031801.5413@odin.corp.sgi.com>, dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.231243.8781@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:
|> |
|> |> >AL MVP
|> |> >I need suggestions here.  I'm personally gonna stick with Eck.
|> |> >McGwire was falling off, then got hurt.


   Indeed, the voters of this award favor players on teams in the peanant hunt,
   as they figure that other players can't have much impact on their teams
   if they're not even in the hunt.

   So, I think the Eck has a great chance for the CY since the Sox could place
   last even without Clemens. For the MVP - Martinez is out since the Mariners
   could finish last without him, too.  

|> |> 
|> |> As much of a god as he is on the net, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned
|> |> Frank Thomas.  Eck is a decent choice too, I think.

  Frank isn't recognized by the writers - who figure anyone who walks that
  much must be hurting his team by not hitting HR's instead!! Hey - I didn't
  say they were smart! 


|> |
|> AL MVP
|> 
|> Although he won't get many (any?) votes, Carlos Baerga deserves mentioning as
|> an MVP candidate for being the catalyst of the resurgent Indians...and he is 
|> having a helluva year.

  Again - the Indians can finish last without Carols. Besides, he's not even the
  best second baseman in the league ( or even in the top 2, for that matter).

-Ron
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Clemens blowing a lead?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:48:58 GMT


So how many leads *has* Clemens blown this year?  I'm sure there must
have been a couple, but I don't remember more than the one on Opening
Day.

Line scores:
April 7		Clemens at Sanderson
020 000 100
100 003 00x

Blew a 2-1 lead in the sixth inning, when Roberto Kelly came up with a
2-RBI double.

April 23	Clemens at Wegman
020 000 000
003 000 00x

None of the three runs would have scored had not Boggs thrown away a
double play ball.  (Of course, you can't assume the DP, so only two of
the runs were unearned.)

May 20		Fleming at Clemens
010 000 102
100 000 14x

Blew that 1-0 lead in the second inning, but the Sox came back to win
(once in a season was enough, I guess).

June 21		Clemens at Burns
200 000 000
000 003 00x

No excuses here.  He had a bad inning!

(I'm not counting the July 10 outing.  Clemens left with the bases
loaded and a three run lead.  Fossas and Reardon allowed all three
runners to score!  That's shoddy relief no matter how you look at it,
and the lead was *not* surrendered while Clemens was in the game.)

July 29		Burns at Clemens
102 000 110
200 013 00x

Him again!  Well, Clemens blew that 2-1 lead before settling down.
Palmeiro hit the HR.  (A surprise, as Palmeiro hasn't hit all that
many, and Clemens certainly doesn't allow very many!)

August 23	Leary at Clemens
200 121 030
021 000 000

Clemens got a 3-2 lead, but proceeeded to blow it.  And against
the Mariners, at that!

So that's it!  In a total of 28 starts, Clemens has blown a total of
six leads.  Those leads that he blew totalled *seven* runs.  And most
of them happened in the early innings, too.  (One was blown in the
fourth, another in the sixth.)

I challenge *any* pitcher to match this record.  Glavine, Maddux,
Morris, Koufax, anybody!

Clemens is having an awesome season, despite receiving zero
help from his teammates!

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:44:26 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


     Willie McGee is pretty ugly (a perfect oxymoron, no?)...

Brett
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Baseball and Billions
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:35:24 GMT

Jon Hamkins writes:
>Michael Davey writes:

>>sometimes, the commissioner must interfere and force the owners to do things
>>they do not want to because it is in the best interests of the game. Such as
>>allowing African-Americans to play in the major-leagues, for example.

>As for your example, I'm not convinced Vincent's anti-racism record is
>all that great, considering the blundering fashion he handled the sale
>of the Mariners.  

No need to speculate about Vincent's anti-racism record. 

Michael's suggestion that the commissioner could force owners to hire 
black players is kind of amusing in light of the fact that the color line
lasted as long as it did precisely because of the power of the commisioner
to dictate policy to the owners.

The color line was broken just a couple of years after the death of 
commisioner Landis, an out and out racist who would not allow the owners
to play black players. 

Putting dictatorial powers in the hands of one person is good if 
that person happens to have exceptional wisdom. If he doesn't,
watch out! Considering that most of baseball's commisioners have
been worthless clowns, I would be much happier if the commisioner
didn't have the power he has.



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
          	Some of my best friends are men.
        --- Lisa Nee in "American Women Deserve a Tax Break."
From: jrp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Pessetto)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:01:23 GMT
Subject: Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

/ hpfcso:rec.sport.baseball / jrp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Pessetto) /  4:27 pm  Sep  1, 1992 /

>   I made some guesses about how Juan Gonzalez would finish this season and 
>feed this year and his previous years back into the Brock2 program written by
>David Grabiner.  According to this, he should pass Babe Ruth as the all-time
>homerun hitter.  Also, it looks like he has a chance to pass Maris in the 
>single season homerun record( Of course this happens when he's 27 years old).
>Anyway, it was interesting to look at.



>  YEAR     G    AB     R     H    2B    3B    HR   RBI    BB   AVG
>  1990    25    90    11    26     7     1     4    12     2 0.289
>  1991   142   545    78   131    34     1    27   102    42 0.240
>  1992   152   565    91   145    25     3    45   112    37 0.257
>  1993   155   579    94   150    32     2    41   114    44 0.259
>  1994   155   572    99   151    29     3    46   122    43 0.264
>  1995   150   554   100   148    30     2    45   120    45 0.267
>  1996   155   569   109   153    30     2    54   136    46 0.269
>  1997   153   559   126   160    31     2    60   149    51 0.286
>  1998   154   556   105   147    28     2    51   129    52 0.264
>  1999   158   565   104   148    28     2    51   129    52 0.262
>  2000   155   565   105   150    28     2    50   127    53 0.265
>  2001   156   546    98   143    27     1    46   120    51 0.262
>  2002   155   545    90   137    26     1    43   112    51 0.251
>  2003   155   534    86   132    25     1    40   106    55 0.247
>  2004   153   525    81   130    24     1    38   101    47 0.248
>  2005   153   514    74   123    22     1    34    93    50 0.239
>  2006   152   507    69   119    22     1    32    87    48 0.235
>  2007   152   499    59   109    20     1    27    77    48 0.218
>  2008    81   242    33    59    11     0    14    40    23 0.244
>  2009   102   225    22    45     8     0    10    29    22 0.200
>  2010    24    52     6    12     2     0     2     7     5 0.231
>  2011     8     8     1     2     0     0     0     1     1 0.250
>TOTALS  2869  9976  1647  2529   492    29   761  2032   874 0.254



  I blew it.   What I should have written is "... will pass Hank Aaron as
the all-time homerun hitter" instead of using Babe Ruth.  I think Juan has
a chance, but most likley will not pass Aaron or Ruth.



John Pessetto

 



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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:13:41 GMT

	I agree with a previous writer that Tim Wakefield should be the ROY, espc. if
the Pirates win the NL east by a few games.  Without him they would now be in
2nd place, and probably falling further.  He has become the stopper on that
team, an almost gaurenteed win every 5 days.  Also, his pitching style messes
up the opponents for the next few games, helping the other Pirate pitchers. 

	The ROY winner does not have to be with his team the whole year,the award
should go the player who has the greatest impact on his team's success. 
Wakefield performance lifted the Pirates out of a huge funk, and he replaced
(V. Cole, ect..), who were doing nothing. (The same argument could have been
made for Juan Guzman last year).

Bill Perry
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Keywords: Flabbergasted Mets' Fans Demand to Know
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Aug27.183211.15668@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.172554.3164@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:


>
>>And: is this all that a David Cone gets on the open market?
>
>What did you expect?  He *is* a free agent in five weeks.  Besides,
>don't forget the PTBNL.  It could very likely be Ed Sprague or
>somebody like that.
>
>Cheers,
>-Valentine
>-- 
>Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu

Heard that rumor is that the Mets will get Ryan Thompson as the PTBNL.

/mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:32:25 GMT

In article 1219@cs.wayne.edu, dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:
>In article <16561@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>>Glavine will win over 20 games and lose less than 7.  He will have
>>a superior ERA (2.5 - 2.75) and will have pitched for the division 
>>champions.  If that's not a Cy Young winner I don't 
>>know what is.
>
>Maddux has an outstanding ERA while playing in a hitters' park, will
>have nearly 200 strikeouts when the season is over, he leads the league
>with an OPP.SA of .267(!!!), and has pitched more innings than anyone
>else in the league.  If that's not a Cy Young winner, I don't know what
>is.
>
>Like I said before, you can only give the award to one player, and
>Maddux has been the best pitcher in the NL, so he should get it.
>

The only reason I see Glavine winning Cy Young, I reiterate, is what
I call the Bob Welch Theory. I felt that, in the year Welch won AL CY
Young, teammate Dave Stewart had a stronger season, but that Welch had more
wins and better offensive support every start.

Glavine is getting his wins, IMO, with good pitching and excellent offensive
support. Maddux is getting his wins with excellent pitching and defense
despite lousy offensive support during his starts. _This Year!_

So, if the sportswriters only look at Glavine's W-L and that he's on
a division champ, Tommy G gets it. But I'm guessing the writers are
going to be more selective and choose Mad Dog not only on stats but
on quality of starts, not exactly a quantitative measurement. Unless
all sportswriters happen to be like Mike North of the Score!

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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  Dammit, Stan Cook,
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |   re-sign Greg Maddux,
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |    will ya???
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~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Subject: Re: ANSWER: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 17
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:09:01 GMT

In article <92238.231056IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>LAST WEEK'S PLAY:
>
>     On a 3-2 count the pitcher sends a fast ball high and tight to
>     a right handed hitter. The batter attempts to get out of the
>     way by turning counter clockwise. The ball strikes him in the
>     hip as he loses his grip on the bat. The bat falls to the
>     ground in front of the plate. You're the home plate umpire.
>     What's the call?
>
I are confused! First we have a high and tight fastball that hits him
in the hip. How did that happen? Also, the batter attempts to get out of 
the way and gets hit, yet in the paragraph below you state that he is
called out on strikes. Based on the available info the bat only crossed
the plain as a function of the batters attempt to avoid being hit. Seems
like a hit batsman to me, however, the way things are going in baseball
today we may need to check the players and pitchers contracts to see if
HBP's are allowed.

>     Similar play to last week's. Runners at corners. Grounder to
>     short. The short stop flips to the second baseman for one out,
>     and the second baseman throws to first. The batter-runner
>     reaches out and "accidentally" knocks the ball off its path to
>     the third baseman. The throw was wide toward the plate. What's
>     the call?
>
I continue to be confused! How did the third baseman get involved? 
If you meant 1st baseman and the throw was wide toward home and hit
the runner, then the runner is safe and, I believe, the runner at
3rd gets to score. Unless, of course, the ump declares that the 
batter/runner tried to get in the way of the ball. (Wasn't there a 
play like this in one of the World Series games involving Reggie
Jackson?)

Signed,
Confused at SGI

>THE CALL:
>
>The batter in the first play is out on strikes. The intent of the
>batter is not a factor in this play. A strike is defined in Rule
>2.00 as a legal pitch which "Is struck at by the batter and is
>missed." Even though the batter didn't intend to, he swung at the
>pitch when he turned and lost control of his bat. Whether a batter
>has swung or not is determined by whether the bat head broke the
>parallel plane of the front of the plate. Despite what people have
>argued for years, "breaking" of the wrists means nothing when
>determining if a batter swung or not.
>
>In the second play, the batter-runner is called out and the runner
>from third is not allowed to score.
>
>+===============================================================+
>||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
>||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
>+===============================================================+


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Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
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From: michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez)
Subject: Re: Oakland and Texas... I scratch my head....
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 00:01:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Veteran Rights

In article <1992Sep1.211043.4439@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>In article <180hccINNlj2@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu> jeffyg@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey Wayne Geist) writes:
>>
>>Canseco:  Despite poor numbers and injuries, he is still going to demand 
>>          big numbers for a salary next year.  I dont forsee him staying in
>>          Texas past the end of the season.  Maybe so, but he seems more 
>>          likely to play in New York or Los Angeles.  He may even go to an
>>          expansion team, tho that is highly unlikely.
>>
>
>Canseco is already signed into a multiyear contract, so Texas doesn't
>have to worry about his contract. 
>
According to the media in the Bay Area, part of the contract
between the MLBPA and Major League Baseball allows Canseco  the right
to request a trade at the end of this season(something to do with
length of service...anyone know about this?), and if he is not
accommadated, he can become an unrestricted free agent in March
of 1993.
michael 
>
>Steven Kelm
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From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:38:35 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug26.213008.23339@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.141848.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:
> 
>>In your dreams, kid. The Red Sox are not going to give up someone like Boggs
>>to any team within their division. And I'm saddened that Boggs would want a 
>>deal similiar to Ripken after all he's done the past few years. Boggs is
>>steadily declining and I expect no more peaking from him after all. But he's
>>still effective.
> 
> Why do you have to be so obnoxious and so ignorant?  Boggs is a *free agent*.
> The Red Sox won't want to give him away, but if they don't give him a deal
> that he wants (or even if they do and he's still unhappy) the Red Sox have
> *no* power whatsoever to control where he goes.

Sure. They have no power, but they do have some power, and that IS to sign
the Boggsy to a contract. 

Please, refrain from flaming. If you want to flame someone, flame your
best friend. It does wonders for your state of mind.

> 
> ===============================================================================
> GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
> ===============================================================================
> Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Little League World Series Championship
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:39:15 GMT

Saturday at Lamade Field, Williamsport, PA

Zamboanga City, Philippines 15, Long Beach, CA 4

The Filipinos exploded for seven runs off starter and losing pitcher Ryan
Beaver. By the time the end of the 2nd inning came around Beaver was behind
the eight-ball - and an eight-run deficit.

Ian Tolentino came on in relief for the Zamboanga All Stars and gave up
the grand slam to Ryan Stuart. Those runs represented the only offense the
Long Beach boys would muster all game.

The Philippines came back with a five spot in the fourth, all but sealing 
the victory. They would tag two more in the sixth, away from the ABC Sports
cameras that chose to resume regular network programming at that point.

Tolentino picked up the win, Beaver the loss. The Philippine victory is the
21st time in the last 26 WS Championships that the Far East rep has won
the big game.


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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              | Zamboanga City
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |  Philippines, 1992 Little
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |   League World Series Champs
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~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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From: daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer)
Subject: Re: roy NL (oops!)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:05:22 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep2.170328.14290@meaddata.com>, daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer) writes:
|> In article <00960026.CE453E00@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> |> If Brian Williams of Houston keeps pitching well and ends up with 10-12
|> |> wins, he should get some votes, and maybe the rookie awrdin the NL award. and
|> |> this point he is 7-4 with an ERA in the mid to low 3.00 range.
|> |> 
|> 
|>    Huh???  There is no possible way excluding death, that the writers
|>    will give the NL ROY to anyone other than Mr. Eric Karros. An
|>    average pitcher like Williams can even compare to the stats Karros
                                       ^
                                      NOT

|>    has put up with the hapless Dodgers. Williams may have a shot at
|>    the Rookie Pitcher's award, but the ROY, that would be a crime!
|> 
|> 
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