From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:21:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.192944.18751@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.121032.19416@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
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>>Ok TU, no need to be confused.  I went into s.c.china and was surprised
>>that the bozo's article is still there.  He is at an4767, not an3879.  I am
>>enclosing the article here and you should double check with s.c china
>>yourself.  (Sorry folks for taking up so much bandwidth)
>>
>>Dan 
>Dan, I left the the origional article, for ref. Could you please indicate what has enraged yoy so about this post? I have never used anon.etc, but i suppose that people might use it to pose t personals. Maybe i'm on the wrong thread. Let me know, please.
>Phil
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Well, I'm not Dan, but since you posted your request, I figured it's fair
game.  I was just discussing this with a white American net.friend last
night.  Anyway, there's two independent issues:

1.  Why do people keep posting personals to this group?  Usenet is enormous;
	the whole point of the hierarchy is to allow people to form topic-
	centered discussions.  If I want to post a personal ad, I post
	to alt.personals.  If I want to talk about cars, I go to the
	rec.autos hierarchy.  You don't see people posting "I'm a single
	male looking for a car-freak woman in the Texas area" ads in
	rec.autos.tech, so why in the world do people see the newsgroup
	name soc.culture.asian.american and instantly think this is the
	appropriate place to post a personal ad?  I mean, why don't we
	just start posting os2 binaries here, too.  Maybe we need some
	subgroups like soc.culture.asian.american.i-need-a-date or
	soc.culture.asian.american.comp.sources.os2.

2.  There's a non-trivial number of men with Asian-female-fetishes.
	(NOTE!  I am NOT saying anything against interracial relationships.
	See the Interracial Dating FAQ, posted on demand.)  In this case,
	the person has completely objectifed an entire class of people
	based on a meaningless and superficial concept.  Exacerbating the
	situation, these men tend to insist how open-minded and progressive
	they are, which is why they want to find a "nice" "little" Asian
	"girl".

	When an Asian-American man objects to this kind of statement,
	"I'm so open-minded, I only date Asian women!" many people *assume*
	that he's objecting to the "Asian" part, that he's jealous and
	racist and sexist.  While that may be true for some people, most
	of us on the net aren't objecting at all to someone who dates
	Asian or Asian-American women; we're objecting to the "only"
	part.  Am I being open-minded if I insist on *only* dating women
	named Paulina?  Am I being open-minded if I *know* that *only*
	women born in Nebraska could possibly be my one and only true
	love?  So why do so many guys think they're being open-minded
	when they insist on *only* dating women with a particular
	physical appearance (that happens to be associated in American
	mass media with all sorts of subservience stereotypes)?

						--Alan Hu
BTW, I didn't mention anything about Asian-fetish men being any particular
race.  How many of you out there read my post and assumed I was only talking
about non-Asian-American men dating Asian-American women?
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	[OK!  Anonymous personal ad from soc.culture.china deleted.]