HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kenr@orleans.storage.tandem.com (Ken Rose)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: 2nd test message
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:12:49 GMT
Reply-To: kenr@orleans.storage.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc.


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____________________________________________________________________
Ken Rose    (kenr@storage.tandem.com)
The Usual Disclaimer:  Any opinions expressed above are mine alone, not
those of my employer (who is kind enough to allow me Usenet access).
From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Date: 23 Nov 1992 12:35:24 -0800
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com

Testing outgoing NNTP feed... Auto-reply daemons, go for it.
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: armen@well.sf.ca.us (Armen Gabrielian)
Subject: Re: Testing-2
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: well
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:05:11 GMT

In article <BxvCGs.9uL@well.sf.ca.us> armen@well.sf.ca.us (Armen Gabrielian) writes:
>
>This is a test.
>
>AG
>-- 
>Armen Gabrielian                 |email: armen@well.sf.ca.us
>UniView Systems                  |phone/fax: (415)968-3476
>1192 Elena Privada
>Mountain View, CA 94040


Prepared test response.





End of response.
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Newsgroups: ba.test
From: armen@well.sf.ca.us (Armen Gabrielian)
Subject: Testing-2
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: well
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:29:16 GMT


This is a test.

AG
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Armen Gabrielian                 |email: armen@well.sf.ca.us
UniView Systems                  |phone/fax: (415)968-3476
1192 Elena Privada
Mountain View, CA 94040
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,co.politics,ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
From: dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman)
Subject: Re: Overpopulation and other leftist myths (was  Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!)
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.001452.16468@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.222910.12581@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)                   writes...
>>Finite, but with rapidly increasing limits: Food production is, for
>>example, finite. But that limit also increases rapidly with technology
>>Overpopulation is only a problem if the population increases _faster_
>>that the rate of production.
>
>The problem is that it is, and it has been for quite a while. I read not
>to long ago that the world supply of grain is at its lowest levels in 
>several decades.
>> 
>>                                          Frank Crary
>>                                          CU Boulder
>P.S. Did you get that post on the New Deal?

It is very much like winter in North America these days.  Visit the 
grocery store nearest you.  Notice how many finite bananas, pineapples,
strawberries and bags of flour are available.  Fresh ones.  Finite 
does not imply a shortage.  A low level of grain production, the lowest
in decades is nothing in itself to be alarmed about.  Things like this
depend on weather, the preferences of buyers, the policies of governments,
and a lot of other things.  What is the alleged reason why there is
less grain today than there was two decades ago?

-- 
 Daniel Brockman             tel 415-953-0406, fax 415-622-2892
 Bank of America, Dept 5906, 555 Calif St
 San Francisco 94104 USA    email uunet!odinba!dan dan@bofa.com
From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Summary: More statistical pedantry, though it hasn't helped yet.
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:26:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

In article <1992Nov21.023057.21452@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>You know, 47% of all violent crimes are committed by black males. Using
>your logic, I can claim that blacks commit NO crimes -- those people
>with black skins commiting that 47% aren't blacks, but CRIMINALS!

No, Phil, it doesn't work like that.  "Black" is one definition that
does not necessarily contain "criminal".  Using your favorite
definitions of "homosexual or bisexual", they necessarily contain
every single man who ever had sex with a male, which by definition
also contains every single man who ever had sex with a boy.

This is much like my "C-men" example that you love to hate -- by
definition, "C-men" contains every man who ever had sex with a boy,
plus guys like Clayton C-ramer, Bill C-linton, and me.  It is thus not
surprising that C-men (as a group) molest boys at a horrific rate.

However, this is a meaningless result, just like the result that you
derive for "homosexuals".  You have failed to connect the
*individuals* who molest boys with the *individuals* commonly
understood to be "gay" (perceived to have sex with other men), except
in the pages of a dictionary.  In the case of C-men, the individuals
who molest boys are (almost) disjoint from guys like Clayton, Bill,
and me.  

>Sorry -- sexual orientation is defined by WHAT you are attracted to,
>not the AGE of what you are attracted to!

I take this to mean that you (you, Phil) are sexually attracted to
little girls if you are sexually attracted to grown women?  You did
say "what", Phil, and excluded age.  Age plays no part at all in
sexual attraction for you, Phil?  Is that what you really meant, or
does this special definitional rule apply only to "homosexuals"?

This opinion, Phil, is indeed yours.

David Chase
Sun
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Subject: Re: RightWing Dogma and Overpopulation
Summary: Point/Counterpoint
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
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Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:20:52 GMT

In article <By5n0z.n4z@lincoln.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)                         writes...
>In article <1ejubeINNl73@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>>In article <BxyExr.4I1@lincoln.technet.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov16.184439.19349@mercury.cair.du.edu> jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:
>>>>In article <adams.721933831@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>I love a great fiction story that is filled with brave men conquering
>>the world, gaining for themselves as much as they can.
>>
>>This is a crock.
> 
>This is how civilization is built. Mr. Sam Walton, may he rest in peace
>was an American hero of historic proportions. But the more modest
>accomplishments of the average person should also be celebrated.

Although I entirely agree with your statement about the average person,
I cannot fathom how you can say that Sam Walton was a hero. What does it
take to be a hero under your standards? To make a lot of money? Any crook,
illegal and legal, fills that role. Why don't you admire people like 
MLK or Thomas Jefferson or somebody that risked their life for humanity
rather than someone who did nothing more than risk their wallet?
> 
>>If you had been listening lately a panel of scientist have come out and
>>said that we need to look at population as a serious problem and a threat
>>to our well being.
> 
>Oh, no. Another "panel of scientists"!
> 
Oh, no! Not someone who knows more than you do!

>>Private property has been one of the main foundational structures for war in this
>>world.  The have nots will always being trying to get what the haves have.  This is
>>a long and ingrained process that has been going on for 1000's of years.
> 
>This is a crock.
> 
>Private property has been one of the main foundational structures of
>human progress. War's have been fought, almost without exception, over
>governmental juridiction to leech off of the wealth that commerce
>creates. This is a long and ingrained phenomenon that has been going
>on since the dawn of trade.

Are you saying that wars have only been fought since the dawn of trade?
Hmm. Sounds like you need to do some studying of human history.
> 
>>And what is the point of all this 'materialism', do you think you'll get into
>>haven easier?
> 
>If "getting into heaven easily" was the objective, we'd all be
>inventing new ways to die like Etheopians.

Are you saying that all the Etheopians that are starving are going to
heaven? I find it interesting that you can know that.
> 
Garrett@Ingres.com
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From: XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (JUNE GENIS)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Election '92
Date: 15 Nov 1992 08:23:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <5599@gold.gvg.tek.com>,
mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson) writes:
>
>        I bring up the school/grass issue because Nevada County voters
>turned down yet another school bond issue, leaving many students with
>crowded classrooms and nowhere to learn annoying social habits. The
>post-election analysis revealed that most Nevada County voters are old
>retired white guys, who I guess figure they already did the school thing
>and just want a rest. I should mention that one bond issue did pass,
>Measure G, which provides funds to pave the golf-cart trails at the
>Grass Valley Country Club.

Perhaps you should learn from this, Michael, that it might be better
to let those people who want paved golf card paths pay for it
themselves without being able to force those who'd rather spend
their money on a school playground into doing so as well -- and
the other way round as well, of course.

>        Anyway, now things are back to normal and our local paper is once
>again writing stories about the Chief of Police who uses the city fax
>machine to send photocopies of his face to his old buddies on the LAPD.
>Me, I'm back to reading news on Usenet and posting "nayaa nayaa
>nayaa-nayaa nayaa" to all the Libertarians who voted for Bush.
>
>                                                                   (-:

First you have to find one :-)

/June
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: More and More of the Usual
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:59:05 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov18.222249.25549@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>
>Oh? And then just why is homosexuality rational? It is certainly anti-survival.

You'll have to back this one up- there are scientific studies -  and they are
not in Newsweek or the SJMN, that have made hypotheses that homosexuality may
very well be a protection mechanism for the very survival of population groups.
Overpopulation leads to all sorts of nasty events- especially when you cannot
maintain the necessary conditions to sustain a large crowded population.

The basis of rationality is somewhat human controlled to say the least.  There
could be no rational for anything- there is no particular reason why you should
exist and have childern. Is there?

In the actual process of human endeavour it appears that most people are anti-
survival, otherwise they would not do many of the things that they do today.

>
>For the most part, people that indulge in practices that most other people
>find disgusting don't find the majority disgusting.
>

I am not even sure what this means-  Let's take it slowly, 

Group A (minority) does something that Group B (majority) says is disgusting.
Group B (majority) does something that Group A (minority) says it is not disgusting.
All under the condition that this is in general.

This all sounds extremely subjective to me.

1) I am not sure that most people find what gay people do sexually is disgusting.

2) I am not sure that most gay people find what straight people do as not disgusting.

But since there are fewer gay people than straight people, and if most straight people
say gay sex is disgusting, then it would be true that most people would say straight
sex is not disgusting because most people are not gay.

Now see if you can figure that one out.

>-- 
>I believe Gennifer Flowers.

Make sure and get you Penthouse and read about her sad story of how she was used.
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Terry Manley)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: old retired white guys (was Re: Election '92)
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:57:18 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products


In article <1e5tipINNjhn@morrow.stanford.edu> XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (JUNE GENIS) writes:
>In article <5599@gold.gvg.tek.com>, mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson) writes:

>>        I bring up the school/grass issue because Nevada County voters
>>turned down yet another school bond issue, leaving many students with
>>crowded classrooms and nowhere to learn annoying social habits. The
>>post-election analysis revealed that most Nevada County voters are old
>>retired white guys, who I guess figure they already did the school thing
>>and just want a rest. I should mention that one bond issue did pass,
>>Measure G, which provides funds to pave the golf-cart trails at the
>>Grass Valley Country Club.

>Perhaps you should learn from this, Michael, that it might be better
>to let those people who want paved golf card paths pay for it
>themselves without being able to force those who'd rather spend
>their money on a school playground into doing so as well -- and
>the other way round as well, of course.

I think Michael would prefer adding a golf tax to support
his schools.  Of course while he's doing that he'd probably
want to skim some off for the arts community as well.

Is it time to bring up the NEA again?

BTW: I suggest you get your son some golf clubs and take him
     down to the country club for some real education.  Maybe
     he can meet some "old retired white guys" and gain some
     political insight.  It worked for Dan Quayle.



--
dave
manley@optilink.com
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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:52:06 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <13190@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
#Eating raw fish disgusts me also.  It also makes a little concerned
#about the health aspects.  But so what, it's their life.

If sushi eaters were being systematically denied jobs and housing
(much like blacks were in the 1950-60's) would you support or object
to laws preventing discrimination against sushi eaters?

--
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From: carroll@balin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Nov12.230416.16881@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.103515.8607@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>    >No, the answer is: the government of Germany, using
>    >pseudoscience to attempt to portray a minority as inferior
>    >degenerate people in order to justify discrimination and
>    >abuse and, of course, eventually mass murder, of them.
>    >
>    >It's funny, though. They used to say that one of the things
>    >Jews did was kidnap children and use them for their own
>    >nefarious purposes (to make matzah, in that case). See any
>    >similarities, Clayton? Of course not.
>    >
>    >After all, Clayton, the pogroms weren't actually government
>    >action, right? They simply incited the people by claiming
>    >that Jews did all these evil things to their children, and
>    >then let the mobs run their course.
>    >
>    >I mean, just because they went around teaching that Jews were
>    >inferior "perverse and abnormal" (or whatever that quote is
>    >from the Oregon initiative) doesn't mean that they actually
>    >*caused* the pogroms, right?
>
>Correct. The German State tried to protray the Jews as doing such things
>as murdering children for religious rituals.
>
>That would be horrible and disgusting if true. But it of course was not true.
>
>Homosexuals have sex with people of the same sex. Many people find that
>disgusting and revolting. But, what homosexuals do IS TRUE.
>
>Big difference.
>

Not really.

The German state tried to take an entire race of people, and portray
them as subhuman, evil beings that had to be discriminated against in
order to preserve society. They did that by making up phony statistics
and propogating lies claiming that the Jews did various horrible things.

It's rather a lot like your crusade against gays.

>To hate/dislike/shun/whatever some group because of things they are supposed
>to do but in reality don't, is one thing. To hate/dislike/shun/whatever a
>group because of things they actually do is another case.

If you hate a person or a group of people because of something they do in
private, which has absolutely no affect on you, that's sick. And trying to
force the government to get involved in your perverse hatreds is even worse.

But you don't even do that - you try to incite other people to hate
homosexuals on the basis of things that they DO NOT do.

	<MC>
-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     ||"I prize the cloudy, tearing sky,
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| for the thoughts that flap and fly.
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || For staying in and reading by.
|| carroll@udel.edu             || For sitting under" -Karen Peris
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,co.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:02:59 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov16.155421.21149@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>>Could you please explain, then, how people who "lack opportunity" and beg
>>for change, can eat with some frequency in $7/meal resturants (when 
>>equally filling means are available close by for half that)?

>Are you using a single example or are you suggesting every welfare
>recipient has money falling out of their pockets?

No, I'm suggesting that several observed cases implies that a sizeable
fraction of these people (15% +- 5%, out of personal experience in
Berkeley) are not really that needy and do not have a reasonable claim
to the charity they collect.

                                                       Frank Crary
                                                       CU Boulder
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From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The usual
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:10:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

In article <1992Nov19.174512.139@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In short, most hetereosexuals do not like homosexuals. Period. And they
>don't like them for what they ARE, not some set of myths about what they
>ain't. Got it?

>PEOPLE DON'T LIKE YOU!

Assuming, of course, that I am homosexual, right?

Whatever gave you that idea?  You're utterly wrong, as usual.

David Chase
Sun

P.S. Your numbers still suck, and you mixed me up with another guy,
and the C-man analogy was utterly appropriate, only offensive to you
because you failed to acknowledge that Clayton's numbers are equally
bogus, as presented (he fails to present them well either because he
doesn't have good information, or because he is too stupid to
understand why it is important.  Either way, he is not credible.).
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Defintions (was Re: Your Right it is the (Re: The usual)
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:07:07 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1ejpc5INNjio@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>In article <4508@news.chips.com> markst@chips.com (Mark Storkamp) writes:
    >phobia- 1) A persistent, abnormal, or illogical fear of a
    >specific thing or situation.
    >
    >AND 2) A strong fear, dislike or aversion.

I had to look at this for a bit in incredulity.

Mark, Stephen is a "concept illiterate". He seems to believe that
dictionaries are definition keepers rather than recorder of word
usage.

For example, I could use the word cleave in talking about breaking
a rock apart.

Stephen would go to the dictionary and find that cleave has TWO definitions
that are opposites -- cleave also means to put together. Whereupon he
would run to the net and exclaim that I'm all wrong ...

He has major conceptual troubles.


-- 
I believe Gennifer Flowers.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:19:45 GMT
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <lg826qINNah8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
:In article <1992Nov12.230416.16881@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
:>... The German State tried to protray the Jews as doing such things
:>as murdering children for religious rituals.
:
:>That would be horrible and disgusting if true. But it of course was not true.
:
:>Homosexuals have sex with people of the same sex. Many people find that
:>disgusting and revolting. But, what homosexuals do IS TRUE.

Part of growing up and becoming an adult is learning that the world
cannot always be the way we want it; that other people have different
ideas and tastes; and LEARNING TO TOLERATE THOSE DIFFERENCES.

There are many things I find disgusting and revolting. However,
I accept that not everyone believes the same as I do and I have
learned tolerance.

I would argue that people who cannot tolerate something because they
find it personally disgusting HAVE NOT YET GROWN UP; they are still
emotional babies.
 
Since we only allow adults to vote, perhaps these people should
not be allowed to vote.

To paraphrase Jefferson: "It does me no harm for someone to say
he is an atheist. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg".

If only others were similarly tolerant [but not just concerning
atheism].
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
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