From: jamcdani@zia.. ("jennifer mc daniel")
Subject: Re: The March in D.C.
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:57:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.002515.4493@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve  
Franklin) writes:
> In <1992Apr12.214943.7613@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  
rfischer@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ray Fischer) writes:
> >franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes ...
> 
> >Child care generally has no adverse affects on children (supported by
> >psychological studies).
>   Can you quote cases? I guess I'll have dig out the books to prove you
> wrong which is annoying, but there have been many studies supporting
> the mental and emotional disadvantages of the "latch-key child"...

Sorry, you seem to be comparing apples and oranges here. Latch-key kids
are, sadly, those with parents who can't _afford_ day care. Neither 
can the parents afford to stay home.

> >I also object to MY money going to support the thousands of churches
> >in the country and the disgusting actions of so many militant  
"Pro-Lifers".
>    Okay - so in your mind you support pinheads. We support MURDER. Who
> do you think is gettin the worse deal?
> 
> >Even the welfare mother who has 7 children (each by a different father)
> >so that she can get more welfare money?  Don't most churches rather 
> >object to this sort of behavior?
> you forget - the church loves all chilren and supports each and everyone
> of them. By the way - what a fool you are. You think it is cheap having
> 7 children to get more money? Having a child (even with welfare) is less
> profitable than having none.

This from the gent who claims that the kids are worth it all. Is 
having a child worth more ("more profitable" in more ways than one),
or isn't it?

> We in the church respect a woman regardless
> of her number of children.

You would just prefer it if she had all the children she could, in a
nice, married, stay-at-home, "Father Knows Best" environment....

> >Ah, I see.  Women are victims who can't decide important issues for 
> >themselves.  Thus you take it upon yourself to tell all the women in
> >the country to shut up and stay in the kitchen where they belong.
> >Having babies is part of the job, eh?  Can't have women getting 
> >uppity and making decisions for themselves, eh?  Sounds like the
> >game is more about control over women than protecting fetuses.
>   I tell no one to stay in the kitchen. We do not wish to gain
> control over women. If society made responsiblie decisions we would
> not be in a position to have to defend the rights of the unborn...
> 
> >As for the abortion clinics - do they get bombed so that they won't 
> >be roaming the streets, pouncing on women and giving them abortions 
> >against their wills?
>    I am not proud of radical actions any more than you. It happens
> on both side, and these eccentric actiosn are something we should BOTH
> together try and reconcile and avoid.

I'm glad to hear that, and totally agree with you there.

> >>                                The charity and effort we put 
> >>into nourishing and supporting the impoverished outnumbers anything
> >>you could even dream of...
> >Which pales in comparison to the charity and effort put into
> >nourishing and supporting the (tax subsidised) church.
>    How naive you are. Once again yoru statement begs me to go get
> numbers on money coming out of the church, but I have neither the
> desire or the motivation to do so... anyone else?
>    The billions in charity that the church gives out is significantly
> greater than the finances that it takes in from unwilling members like
> yourself...

The finances WHAT takes in? The church? The charities? This is no flame, 
the sentence just didn't parse with me....
Of course I'm willing to give to charities that help children. In fact,
I do when it can fit in my student budget. What I'm not willing to do
is force others to give their time, money, health, and possibly life 
to bring a baby into what may not be the best situation for it. 

>    steve
> -- 
> aasdSteveFranklin-Subliminal Psychology
Jenni McDaniel--Real Psychology :)

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    Jenni McDaniel, Indiana University, Department of Psychology
"All we ever look for: a god...a drug...a great big hug." -KaTe Bush
 Big ol' IU taking the opinions of one undergrad?!? Yeah, right....