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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 15:48:27 CST
From:         GA3662@SIUCVMB
Subject:      Ibid and Chutney
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Many thanks to those who suggested I persevere with Ibid.  I
spent about two hours wrestling with it yesterday, and READING
some of the documentation.  I now have a functioning bibliography
containing only the items that I need.  Of course, it has errors
in it, and some of the `forthcoming's' are now out.  But still..
I guess I'll start using it.  I wonder if it will work with Lingua.
Still no sign of the promised land here in Southern Illinois.
And let me recommend Mervyn's wife's recipe for Apple Chutney,
published on this net several months ago.  Made a batch this
morning, and it's delicious.
Geoff Nathan
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:06:57 IST
From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@CCMAIL.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: grants and margins
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            11-Sep-1992 02:00pm EDT
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TO:    "Paul J. Bodin"                      ( _NOTABENE@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL )

SUBJECT: RE: grants and margins

About setting the top margins: I seem to remember that during installation,
when you install or activate your printer, you're asked whether top margins
should be set by the printer or by the computer/program.  Maybe resetting this
would solve the problem.
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 92 16:53:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: transparent? etc.
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I don't know about printing to disk with a Lingua file, but I have printed with
beta Lingua both on my home Toshiba and on my office HP Laser II. I liked the
type quality on the HP but missed the non-proportional spacing on the Lingua
Toshiba.
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:03:34 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      is it legal for me to upload nbkey.exe ??
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In an excess of good fellowship I was all set to
upload my version of NBkey.exe, particularly directed
towards on NBlist-ite who was told he was supposed to
have it, but didn't.

It occurs to me that putting it on the general list,
(or even sending it to him directly, now that the
cat is out of the bag), may be a violation of many
things Holy to Internet, NBI, and various lawyers
and other keepers of conscience (my own included,
strange to relate).

Is this the case?

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
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From:         "J-P Takala, PL35 00931 HKi, 3432619" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      orbis, desqview
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Thanks to Lee Komito and Michael Jasper for their information that
the other Orbis formats except for the first two
won't/aren't_even_supposed to work for a whiiile.
Makes a stand alone text base more and more tempting...
However, reading around different help screens, I
found a very attractive feature that restored part of my faith
in this complicated love affair.  If you press alt-?, the word
your cursor is on becomes the search string for an immediate
look up in Orbis.  Now that is very interesting.  This feature also,
incidentally, seems to solve part of the problem of not being able
to enter any non-English letters in the Orbis search window.  Alt-?
would pick them up.  It even accepted a "*" for a wildcard (you cannot
do practically any searches in Finnish without wildcards).

About Desqview.  I never encountered any problem with CS-2 underlining.
However, there have been two irritating problems inside Desqview
that I might tell about.  Defining a word with C-ScrollLock
invariably defined also the following word, upon moving the cursor.
However, doing the same with C-F12 worked just fine.  Funny,
the definitions in NB.KBD are just the same.  Maybe it is a peculiarity
of the way keyboards are around these parts.  I came upon the
solution mentioned just after receiving NB4 and founding out,
to my initial disappointment, that the C-ScrL thing persisted.
The other problem is more sneaky, I don't know a reliable way to
reproduce it and haven't yet come upon it in NB4 (it seems to
require real hard work with long manuscripts to appear, not
just fiddling around), but I suspect it might be there, since the
other problem persisted.  It is that after deleting a word, or maybe
several words, with C-Del, the next cursor movement command deletes
the NEXT (usually important, why would have I decided to leave it
otherwise?) word in line.  Sometimes I've caught it in the act,
sometimes there just is an otherwise inexplicable void in the
printout.

Jukka-Pekka Takala
Helsinki, Finland
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 92 17:51:49 EDT
From:         Jerry Walsh <WALSHJ@SJUVM>
Subject:      Re: arrival
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              4 Sep 92 16:42:31 EST from <JODONNEL@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>

NB4, Orbis, and Lingua have also arrived in New York (at least the de-
partmental copy has; personal copy not yet).  For comparative purposes,
I list here disks (5.25 inch), files, and dates.  NOTE THE COMPLETION
DATES of some of these files.  They are later than some of the arrivals
announced on this list.  (Dates are in month/day/year format.)
DISK: NOTA BENE 1
NB_MAIN  .NB    8/30/92
NB_USER  .NB    8/30/92
INSTALL  .EXE   7/28/92
INSTALL  .OVR   5/31/92
NBXTRACT .EXE   8/10/92

DISK: NOTA BENE 2
NB_HELP  .NB    9/01/92
NB_OPTS  .NB    8/28/92
NB_SP    .NB    9/01/92
NB_NS    .NB    8/08/92

DISK: NOTA BENE OPTIONS
NB_IF2   .NB    8/04/92
NB_IF3   .NB    8/05/92
NB_KEY   .NB    8/10/92

DISK: NB PRINTER 1
NBPRINT1 .CFG   8/12/92
NBPRINT2 .CFG   8/04/92
NBPRINT3 .CFG   8/24/92
NBPRINT6 .CFG   8/04/92
NBPRINT7 .CFG   8/12/92

DISK: NB PRINTER 2
NB_DJ    .NB    8/13/92
NB_HP    .NB    8/13/92
NB_IF1   .NB    8/04/92
NBPRINT4 .CFG   8/13/92
NBPRINT5 .CFG   8/13/92
NB_BUILD .NB    8/20/92

DISK: NB ORBIS
NBO_MAIN .NB    8/19/92

DISK: NB LINGUA 1
NBL_MAIN .NB    8/30/92
NBL_DM   .NB    8/28/92
NBL_DJ1  .NB    8/27/92

DISK: NB LINGUA 2-FR
NBL_HP1  .NB    8/27/92

The documentation, as has been mentioned before, was very sparse.
The "Quick Reference Guide" is especially disappointing because
it looks like it is intended to be a finished product, but as
others have mentioned the print is so small as to be illegible to
those of us in the bifocal crowd.  An "enclosed limited-edition
NB Lingua Reference Guide" wasn't enclosed.  Installation
directions are limited to less than half a page, and consist es-
sentially in "type install, press enter, and follow the directions."
Apparently the subsequent directions are less than crystalline,
since my colleague (a NB4 beta tester, no less) did not find that
the installation went smoothly.
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 11:04:05 -0400
From:         "Cora A. Diamond" <cad2m@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Top margins
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In the old unreconstructed days HP laserjet printers did what they
were told about top margins by a line in the General Settings table of
a .PRN file:
DF FF=1
Is that line still operative in NB 4.0 ?  I don't know, as I haven't
received my copy yet.

Tony Woozley
cad2m@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:45:26 EDT
From:         Joel Lidov <JBLQC@CUNYVM>
Subject:      Re: Usefullness of Ibid.
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              12 Sep 92 15:59:41 -0400 from <wturpin1@CC.SWARTHMORE.EDU>

I can offer one suggestion for using IBID to manage bibliographies, and
I hope it will encourage other users to offer more efficient methods.
    It seems to me that the key to keeping a specific bibliography up-
to-date is either to be scrupulously careful about entering keywords or,
more likely, to develop a routine for handling subsets.  The former
would require that you enter the correct Boolean search string anew
every time you wanted the bibliography.  I use the second method, which
is more tolerant.  IBID  could in fact be better about helping you
manage subsets, but I have found a helpful trick, not fully explained in
the manual.  If you get started with an initial subset you can keep
adding to it with the APPEND command (outside of IBID) as you select the
new items:
     Use SELECT to get a list of possible entries, using one of your
search terms, and capture the items you want from the short list with
SclLock.  When you are down, press ESC.  You will be prompted for a name
for your subset of captured items; ignore it and *press ESC again* (not
RETURN/ENTER).   The items you selected are now in subset named
NBBIBTMP.SUB.  Make another pass with SELECT, using another search term;
the chosen items will be added to NBBIBTMP.SUB.  When you are done
rename NBBIBTMP.SUB (e.g. mil-his.sub).  It is most helpful to name your
subset with the highest record number in your bibliography (MH387.sub).
the next time you want to add to it, after you have entered more items
in your database, use LOOKUP to create a short list of items above that
record number (i.e., use only the fifth line in LOOKUP): e.g., 388-500
(use an arbitrarily high number to close the sequence; otherwise IBID
rattles on looking at empty numbers for a bit).  Then either chose items
from that list or ESCape and use SELECT again (choosing the Last search
option) to create a new NBBIBTMP.SUB which you append to your subset
(and then rename the subset with the new last number--this takes less
time to do than describe; remember to erase NBBIB.TMP before the next
time you select items with ScrLock).  Or, if you have just added a few
items and you want to include them all, use LOOKUP to get them, save the
short list with F5, naming it, say, NEW.SUB, leave IBID and append
NEW.SUB to your MH... subset.
    Since the .SUB files contain only record numbers, they will always
pull up the latest, most correct version of the bibliographic item in
question.  If the subset gets too large, you can make it the active
subset and break it down the same way, or just BROWSE and delete the
items you don't want for this year's class, save it under a new name and
generate your bibliography.

Joel Lidov
Classical & Oriental Lang.
Queens College, CUNY
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              Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFVAX.LAFAYETTE.EDU>
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Is there any systematic way to convert a NB 3.0 keyboard
table (customized) for use in NB4, or is a hand-editing job?

James Woolley, English, Lafayette College, Easton, PA 18042
woolleyj@lafvax.lafayette.edu
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Subject: slow cursors
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:09:41 GMT
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Regarding snail-like cursor movement, I suggest people having this problem
change to expanded mode and check for the presence of rabbit-like multiplication
of mode commands. NB 4 seems to handle inserts somewhat differently when the
surrounding text is in a different print mode. I expanded a file to find,
much to my surprise, that every damned letter had a mode normal before it,
and a mode italic after it. (I had been inserting normal text in an area
that had an undetected mode italic delta). This resulted in tons o'
characters for the cursor to glide through.  I don't recall this happening
with NB 3.0.

Michael Jasper
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:40:50 METDST
From:         "A. Davies" <davies@LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      Ibid and Notabene4
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i
This is a plaintive cry for help (something seemed to go wrong with the
first one). Could someone/anyone please tell me how to install Ibid
Level 1 and Ibid Level1.1 Update in NB4? Installing from disk doesnt
work, nor does simply copying the Ibid files from NB3.1 to NB4. NB4 isnt
very useful to me if I cannot use Ibid with it.
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Subject:      Avoid LOAD NBCUSTOM.SET
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Just in case you tinker with the NBCUSTOM.SET file, do not try to load
it with LOAD, which will lock up your machine (as it did mine), but use
LDSET. I thought that as off NB3.1, the LOAD command was OK for any
file to be loaded (the initial ;XX; line defining the kind of file and
load required). Not so, apparently. No problems in NB3.

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl

For Notabene messages: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl

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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:23:00 +0200
From:         Michael Shalev <SHALEV@HUJIVMS>
Subject:      Multitaskers
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by other people, naturally) is exciting. So too is the current
discussion of multitaskers. I would very much welcome seeing more
extended comments (general ones to the list, or specific things
directed to me personally) on the pros and cons of Desqview (DV),
DV/X, and OS/2--given that one's main application will be NB4.

Those uninterested in the topic, delete this message now! For the rest
of you, I'll describe my own situation. I'm currently using DV on a
fast 486 machine with 4 megs of RAM and an oldish (sluggish) VGA card
and screen. Typically, I will auto-load NB, Norton Commander and
Quattro Pro (in graphical "wisywig mode") as my core apps. DV
functions for me mainly just as a (very fast) task-switcher, but I do
need it to actually multitask in two situations: when downloading a
sizable file, or doing major number-crunching with SAS. (I shoould add
though that neither of these operations can be relied on to work
flawlessly, even after much tweaking).

Here comes the confession of a SIN: my copy of DV is (as someone on
this list recently put it) "borrowed". But--I'm ready to shell out
some money and make an honest man of myself. So what to do? Right now
I use no Windows applications and Win would put a big strain on my
video hardware, so that route is not even worth considering (even
though I am actually a legal owner of the thing). DV "Classic" is
yesterday's technology. DV/X  appears to replicate its capacities and
add (among other things) the ability to run text-based DOS programs
(read, NB, NC, Kermit) in proportionally-sized windows. On the other
hand, OS/2 is apparently the only REAL multitasker of the bunch. But
can it do DV/X's windowing tricks? How much of my hard disk will it
grab? And finally, can either DV/X or OS/2 be implemented with only
4mb of RAM?

Any feedback much appreciated.

..Michael
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From:         Frank Stewart <STEWART@ANNENRES>
Subject:      Re: "non-displayable ascii" aka e-o-f; thanks
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    I have a large number of files, both in Hebrew and in Latin
characters, that were produced on the Israeli version of Nota
Bene.  Two questions:
1.  Is there any simple way of converting these files for use on
NB 3.1?
2.  Does NB 4.0 offer a simple way of converting these files for
use on NB 4.0?
    Shaul Shaked
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Subject:      Is NB4 (much) slower?
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Since I have been working with NB4 I have the impression that the video
is much slower: even typing text, the cursor seems sluggish, and when at
the end of the screen lines must move up, they do so with visible delays.
Same for other operations that involve the screen. Is this because of the
fancy video/graphics footwork we now have (I don't even use the special
graphics mode, which does not seem to feature the 850 code page which I
use so that I can make portuguese dead accents with ~ and others with '
and accent-grave that are not in PC8). If I am right that video (refresh
rates?) are slower, what can I do? (either in NB4, or are there special
programs or cards that speed up video operations and are compatible with
NB4?).

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl

For NB messages: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl

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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 92 23:34:51 EDT
From:         "David H. Hesla" <ILADHH@EMUVM1>
Subject:      NB 4.0
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Reluctantly, even abjectly, I renounce my dibs on ""Oh frabjous day . . ."
So many others, and so less deserving, have intercepted my enthusiasm.  I am re
signed to languish at the tail end of the recipeients.  Post your reservations
and frustrations, ye newcomers and malcontents!  I think with affection on S.
Siebert's Mennonite beard and Deborah's grace, and shall try to remain patient
in these my latter days.  Helas! That it were not so!  Oi weh! Would that judgm
ent would rundown as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream! But in this
naughty world it is not to be.  The last shall be first, the first last, and
is this saying not proved in our sight? Bevaremeg!  Stakars!


DAVID H. HESLA
GRADUATE INSTITUTE OF THE LIBERAL ARTS
EMORY UNIVERSITY
ATLANTA GA 30322
ILADHH@EMUVM1
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UK (and other) Upgrades
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Avril Henry writes:

> > .................................. Similarly, SLS will not
> > work with 4......
>
> What? Aaaaargh! This is terrible news. Is there a forecast for
> improving this situation?

Of course SLS does not work with NB4.  That is what Lingua does!  SLS
for NB3.0 doesn't work with NB2.x either.  Why is this "terrible news"?

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:41:00 CST
From:         LAVENDA@MSUS1
Subject:      Re: Multitaskers
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In regard to Michael Dick's comments about Windows/NT, everything I have
read in InfoWorld and PC-Week seems to indicate that the *beta* *may* be
out this fall, and that a release version may be rather a long time
coming. If you need multitasking--or would like it--any time soon, don't
wait for Windows/NT.

Robert Lavenda
lavenda@msus1
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Subject:      Re: Is NB4 (much) slower?
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In a reply to Teun A. van Dijk, Paul Bodin writes:

>There is no special graphics mode in NB4, as I say, but you *can*
>unload NB4's own fonts and palette by using the [Ctrl] + [Alt] + [Esc]
>key combination.  You can later reload them with [Ctrl] + [Esc].

NB that [Ctrl] + [Esc] is normally one of the reserved keys for
switching applications in Windows, and you must adjust the .pif
accordingly if you want to keep the NB function (you still have
[Ctrl]+[Tab] for quick switching in Windows, a key combo which
as far as I know is unassigned in NB4).  Of course, I still
have my own problems w/ lockups in Windows (after I got
everything working in NB3), which I too want to blame
on mysterious video handling in NB4.  My problems
are compounded by knowing that my Vergil, Paul Bodin,
has left all of us-timeslicers behind for true-multitasking,
blah, blah, and can only watch us w/ a sigh from his OS/2
vales.

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
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Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
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From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Mennonite beards
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Just a minor correction to Robert Binkley.  Around here "Mennonite
beards" are usually found on Old Order Amish rather than Old Order
Mennonites (Amish being a branch of Mennonite that broke away in
the 16 or 1700s, more mystical and pietistic--I think, correct me
if I'm wrong).  Old Order Mennonites in Waterloo County tend to be
clean-shaven.

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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki, Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      bug in auto replacement
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NB 4.0 freezes when abbreviation expansion is on and the replacement
string has some length.  One with 36 characters came through but
others with 46 characters or more invariably produced a
deadlock.  I removed all carriage returns from the replacement
strings.  No avail.  I even tried with ones using solely non-accented
characters. Ditto. Has anyone succeeded in using longer
replacement strings in 4.0?
There were no problems in 3.0 or 3.1 with this feature.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:47:00 CDT
From:         Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject:      top margin bug
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Michael Jasper, did your top margin problem occur in NB 3.1 or NB 4.0?  I am
also wondering if the bug in 3.1 that caused the bottom margin of endnotes to
be different from the margin of the rest of the document has been corrected in
4.0.
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