HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: SuperCollider "For" or "Against"
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:27:06 GMT

In article <MATT.92Jul25143218@physics2.berkeley.edu>,
matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:

|>In article <01GMRRB8AWJK001E2U@utarlg.uta.edu> B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU
|>(Stephen Tice) writes:
|>
|>> Quite a formidable data handling problem arises as well, I think
|>> the figure being bandied around is that the SSC will generate data
|>> at the rate of a Terabyte per nanosecond. 
|>
|>I'm afraid that this number is also false.  The Solenoidal Detector
|>Collaboration (SDC) estimates that there will be about 10,000 events
|>per second passing its Level 1 trigger.  The Level 2 and Level 3
|>triggers will reduce this further, probably to fewer than 100 per
|>second.  (See "Letter of Intent by the Solenoidal Detector
|>Collaboration," SDC-90-00151, 1990.)
|>
|>The number of bytes per event is not yet known, but based on
|>experience at the Tevatron, it is likely to be much less than 10
|>megabytes.  So we're talking about a maximum of 1 gigabyte per
|>second,
|>and it is my belief that even this figure is ridiculously high.
|>
|>So even making very generous assumptions, the rate is twelve orders
|>of
|>magnitude less than the one given above.  Numbers like "one terabyte
|>per nanosecond" just have no basis in reality.

Just in case omebody challenges the discrepancy between my figure of
60MHz and Mathews of 10KHz, these relate to different things.

The rate at which events occur is 60MHz. The first level trigger
analyses these events andd rejects those which do not meet some criteria
for `interesting physics'. Most of the SSC events will be no more than
known phenomena which occur at lower energy. What the SSC is for is to
look at the tiny fraction which cannot. The trigger throws out the
events which are of no interest. Because this is difficult to do all in
one go the trigger is multistage. 

Each trigger stage has a different degree of data locality. At the first
level trigger, data from small local areas (eg parts of a single
detector) is compared with very simple functions the resulting values
are agregated with simple functions too. This occurs at high speed.

To reduce the data further data from a wider area (eg whole detectors)
and more complex functions are used, more time is avaliable because the
first stage has reduced the event rate.

Finally data from the whole detector is analysed at a single point using
the most complex analysis. By this time the event rate is fairly low.

For the computing buffs, each of these stages is highly parallel using
both geometric and pipelined parallelism. At ZEUS we use a trigger which
occupies three floors and has a computing power in excess of any
comercialy avaliable supercomputer.


Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Free Trade (was Re: US-Canada Beer Dispute)
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.132055.846@eci386.uucp>, rstory@eci386.uucp (Robert Story) writes:

|> No, the US public does not know that Canada is the US's largest
|> trading partner but, if US financial publications are to be
|> believed, US businesses are well aware of it.  Otherwise they
|> would not have pushed for the FTA in the first place.

Hmm.  According to my 1989 world almanac, Japan was #1 at 20%, followed
by Canada at 19%.  Perhaps this has changed since 1989.  Most people in
the U.S. perceive that trade with Japan has been increasing, however,
not decreasing.


|> I'm afraid that we're stuck (in more ways than 1) with the
|> Americans (as uncomfortable as that makes me feel!!).

In fact you are not only stuch _with_ America, you are stuck _to_
America.  Geography makes strange bedfellows...

-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Subject: Re: Homeless
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:25:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.003435.8532@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
#This is one thing I find hard to understand... how can an insurance company
#jack up your premiums/rates and/or drop you, when you become sick, or one
#of your employees does?  
#
#This seems like changing the terms of a contract after it is signed... I mean,
#they're not likely to be able to recover the costs of any one claim on a 
#short term basis this way, and I can't see how they can make a stasticial
#claim that since one of your workers got sick, the others are likely to.
#
#And how do they do this on individuals?  Oh, you got sick... guess we're going
#to have to drop you.  "But I'm still receiving treatment".  Too bad.
#
#how does this fit into a rational system?  maybe someone should set up a
#databank of companies that practice these policies, and find out if any don't
#or do so less competitively, so people have better pricing information and
#thus companies have an incentive to behave better, or they'll lose business.
#
#Thom
#@
#

It seems to me that the main reason insurance companies get away with this
is a matter of relative economic and legal power.

For example, suppose one has health insurance. One gets cancer, aids, or
some other major illness which is expensive to treat and is fatal if not
treated. The insurance company for one pretext or another quits paying
the bills. The victim is out of money. She or he has to find someone to take
the case on a contingency fee basis. The insurance company stalls the case.
The patient, who is also the main witness for the plaintiff, dies. 
Plaintiff beneificeries have a very hard time of proving the case. So
the insurance companies get away with it.

Richard Foy           Standard Disclaimer
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What is Bush's veto record?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:22:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

bills@sequent.com (Bill Sears) writes:
:I have heard that Bush has vetoed more bills than any other president in
:U.S. history.  In addition none of these vetoes have ever been overridden
:by congress.
	That sounds about right (about the failure of Congress to
override his vetoes). I can't recall how many he has vetoed (maybe 40
well-known vetoes, I have no clue how many pocket vetoes), but a few
conservatives wish he had vetoed a few more. Specifically ....

:  I am also of the impression (correct or not) that Bush has
:one of the worse civil rights record in history.  Can someone enumerate
:the "atrocities" that have been committed by our favorite president of
:the last four years.
	The latest Civil Rights Bill (1991). This is a testament that
Democrats will never be satisfied or appeased by George Bush or anyone.
He signed the bill much to the delight of many liberals in Congress and
to the ire of the conservatives. I don't hear anyone counterbalancing
this criticism of George with the fact that he signed the 1991 Civil
Rights Bill, but don't look for Republicans to point this out either.
	Also, wasn't there such an "outcry" by the Democrats that George
Bush nominated Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court by saying Thomas was
being nominated specifically because he was black ... to "retain the
Black seat in the Court." [I can't remember who, but it was a news
commentator, perhaps Carl Rowan.]
	But this litany was not the purpose of the question above. I
would like to see the enumeration of George's "atrocitites" in civil
rights, but I wanted to at least point some things that he has done
(right or wrong) with respect to civil rights.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:28:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.003616.21991@tss.com> burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:

>Which name calling was that?  Whom did I call a name?  What was that 
>name?  I described some of the concepts promoted by Libertarians as
>being goofy.  Some of them as scarey.  And some of them are downright
       ^^^^^
Name calling.  Any problems?

>dangerous.  I would put the ideas you put forth above in all three of
>these categories.  The idea that the government or a society has no
>business protecting children from a pedophilic father is not acceptable
>to any rational, adult thinking person.  A pedophile does not produce a

You were the one who brought up pedophelia.

>"properly raised" child.  That's the problem.  Frankly, you can go ahead
>now and put me in your .kill file - I will not restrain my criticism of
>anyone who promotes rescinding laws against pedophilia.

I just did a text search on the entire Libertarian Platform and I could not 
find a single word about recinding laws agaisnt pedophilia.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Can't Parse This (Was: TSONGAS: Convention speech text)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:49:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <ATAYLOR.92Jul22155539@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.162328.5055@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>
>
><I'm sure if Gore was lying (on David Brinkley), the Republicans would quickly 
><have an add out showing Gore mentioning Horton in 1988.
>
>	Or maybe even a *multiply*!

  I'm sure they would hope it would divide the Democrats and 
  subtract from their support.


---peter



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Perot....GONE!
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:32:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: King G and the killers

In article <1992Jul21.004708.7814@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:
>philip@reed.edu (Philip Moore) writes:
>
>>I never considered the rumors about threats against his family
>>until I started thinking about the timing of his withdrawal speech and its
>>consequent effect on Clinton's popularity.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised at all that there were threats against Perot.
>Look at the first time he appeared before his satellite crowds - he
>mentioned that his wife couldn't be near, but she was "safe".
>
>It was an interesting choice of words, to say the least....


  Yyou guys are making too much of this, based on absolutely no hard
  data.    The fact is that virtually ALL wealthy, powerful people 
  get threats from time to time.  People like Perot who have pissed
  a lot of people off probably get more than their share.  But if
  you're going to suggest that the US government or President Bush
  threatened perot in order to get him out of the picture is a very
  strong charge and demands much better data than anyone here has 
  offered.


---peter
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Brokered Republican Convention?
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:48:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Given the wide and expanding lead Clinton is enjoying in the polls,
is it now in the Republican Party's interest to dump Bush from the ticket
at their convention next month? Surely he can't be the best the party
has to offer, but that's the way the nomination process is stacked. They
should cut their losses while there is still time left.

OK, this is facetious... but remember similarly hopeful musings from 
Republicans about Clinton's weakness, just a few weeks ago? I would guess 
they really do know a threat when they see one.

---
Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Tsongas Economic Plan
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:33:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.223304.16173@kpc.com> emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.190702.25414@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>
>>I believe that Clinton has endorsed a targetted capital gains tax
>>reduction, similar to what Tsongas advocated (but not at all like the
>>'give money to the rich' untargetted plan that George Bush has
>>repeatedly called for).  
>>
>
>	"Targetting" sounds a bit like a kind word for "loopholes". Specifically,
>what is he targetting?
>

No, what 'targetting' is is saying that you don't get the tax break on
short-term gains, because the purpose of the cut is to spur
investment, not play more of the same corporate merger and 'churn'
games that we've seen for the past hald-dozen and more years.  You
only get the reduced capital gains rate on stuff that is held over
some specific amount of time, for example.

I don't have all the details, but I believe this was one thing he
pretty much copied from Tsongas.


-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,misc.legal
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Sexual Misconduct Laws
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:07:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Culturale Elit
Followup-To: misc.legal

In <archer.129@utkux1.utk.edu>, archer@utkux1.utk.edu sez:
>
>Actually, homosexuality may be illegal in most of the US, on a jurisdiction 
>by jurisdiction bases.

I invite you to name a single jurisdiction that makes homosexuality a
criminal offense.  

If what you mean is that some states make homosexual conduct an
offense, then say so.  Don't be so obtuse as to conflate status with
conduct.

-- 
		  For a Big Lie, call 1-800-424-9090

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Prove it (Was: Against Our Will)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<11400@optilink.UUCP> <1992Jul28.013305.15005@morrow.stanford.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:05:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.013305.15005@morrow.stanford.edu> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:

[tons of text deleted]

<   Most child molesters are heterosexual men. 

	I've seen this assertion literally hundreds of times
	on the net.

	I've never, ever seen an support for this assertion,
	beyond "because me and my friends say so".

	Can you support this assertion?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: zeus.Teradyne.COM!MICHAELO@UFO.pa.dec.com ("UFO::MICHAELO")
Subject: Gaurd Guy.
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	Mike knows a prison guard.
	CA State employee.

	Gaurd was getting IOUs and cashing them at the bank.
	Gaurd went last week and got the big piss off.
	Gaurd got no money last week.
	Gaurd didn't get paid.
	Gaurd is working for free.
	Gaurd is ""gaurding"" prisoners for free.


	I don't think gaurd is an I Care team player this week.
	I don't know what is going to happen.

	This may be the big one.
	Murphy was an optimist.

--
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                                          Nowhere near Gizmonic Institute
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: Perot's October Surprise
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<1992Jul19.184625.7729@infonode.ingr.com> <36881@ttidca.TTI.COM>
	<3967@news.duke.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:16:57 GMT

In article <3967@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:

	   Perot is going to re-enter the race in October, saying "We've
   heard these goofballs for two months, and they haven't been saying a
   thing! Since my name is already on the ballots, I'm gonna run again!" He
   would have saved his money from being spent on the campaign, had a
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   respite from the media and the campaign scrutiny, and avoided any
   negative characterisations of him from both the Democrats and the
   Republicans. (And I do mean BOTH sides. Ron Brown, Bill Clinton, Bill
   Bradley, Dan Quayle have all criticized him. I'm sure I'm leaving a ton
   of people off this list.)


Ross Perot has already spent 10 Million dollars on his campaign.
While this may seem like a lot, it is roughly 1/3 of 1% of his total
worth.  I hardly think that saving money was an issue in his dropping
out.

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From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.men,soc.women,alt.censorship,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:03:10 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <6fOo02zi1bar01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>
>Gentlemen,
>
>I note that, aside from the fact that "Law and Literature" includes the word 
>"Law" in its title, and is written by a judge, the topic has not a single 
>thing to do with law.  I cordially request that you remove "misc.legal" from 
>the newsgroups header.

My word.  It appears to me that Posner IS talking about law.  Or are you
such a radical Posnerite (who after all is engaged in securing the
perimeter of law against nasty old literature) that the very entry of
ANYTHING to do with literature infects and speedily kills the entire
organism?  Posner sups with the enemy, literature, but also speaks of
the law; he says that the two have truck with each other but are
distinct, and caricatures the legal critics as completely breaking down
the boundary.  Which they don't.


     "What is the law?  No spill blood. No walk on all fours.
     Are we not men?"

                          - The Island of Dr Moreau

     "Are we not men?  We are Devo!"
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: TSONGAS: Convention speech text
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:32:32 CDT


In article <rdippold.711455749@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl) writes:
> >In article demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
> >>>  There are no Willie Horton ads in our souls.
> >>
> >>	I wonder where Al Gore was when this was spoken?
> >>...
> 
> >I've seen this Willie Horton/Al Gore reference made twice now.
> >What does it mean?
> 
> Gore's campaign is the original source of Willie Horton.

Gore's campaign is the source of Furlough issue.  It was the 
Repbulicans (Bush) that used Horton's name and (Floyd Brown)
that used Horton's picture.  Gore never mentioned Horton's
(or any other furloughed prisoners) name(s).

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:34:03 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

T. Archer writes:
|> Michael Polen writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >|> I wouldn't have any problem with that, other than that if she abused
|> >|> it then my introducing her to responsible drinking had failed, and
|> >|> that she was disobeying me.  That's our problem, not his.  In either
|> >|> case, legislation isn't going to stop it.
|> >|> 
|> >So you can't concieve of a case where you would rather not have someone
|> >pressing alcohol or drugs on your children before you have developed them
|> >to the point where the can be responsible.
|> 
|> Sure.  But if my children are in a situation where they are getting access 
|> to alcohol or drugs before they are able to be responsable, then I am not 
|> supervising them closely enough, and it is MY fault.  I maintain that it is 
|> a parent's responsability to raise children, not the state's.
|> 
Have you raised children to the age of responsibility?  The only way to
"supervise them closely enough" is to be a jailor, not a parent.  Not
on my watch.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:19:12 GMT

In article <l78i8uINNhmn@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>
>The flat tax was Jerry Brown's idea, not Tsongas's. Tsongas's ideas included
>a 5 cents-a-year gas tax for a decade (for a total of 50 cents a gallon),
>as well as a Cap gains tax CUT, AND some social security cuts or caps. If
>I remember right, enough people wrote-in his name in the GOP primary in
>New Hampshire to make him come third in the GOP Primary.

Did he beat David Duke, then?
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Libertarians in the Media
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:02:43 GMT

 From: Libertarian Party HQ
 To: All
 Date: 20 Jul 92  22:42:48

 LIBERTARIANS IN THE MEDIA
 -------------------------

 Friday, 7/24/92, 11:15 am to 12:30 pm: media conference at the
 National Press Club Building in DC.  This event should be covered
 by major national media -- they'd better, they're all in that
 building!  And if they don't LET THEM HEAR FROM >>> YOU <<<.  C-
 Span is apparently going to cover it.  Set your VCR!


 Friday, 7/24/92, 12:00 am to 1:00 am: Andre Marrou will appear on
 Larry King's nationally syndicated radio interview show.  Set
 your clock-radio to turn on at midnight to hear Andre!


 Monday, 7/27/92, 7:15 pm to 8:00 pm: LP National Chair Mary
 Gingell will appear on C-Span's live call-in show.   Set your
 VCR!
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