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Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.mac.powerbook
From: rapickering@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:15:58 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I support the creation of the comp.sys.mac.powerbook newsgroup.
Apple has currently made no mention of straying from the use of the term
Powerbook to identify its line of portable computers.  Therefore the use
of the term seems appropriate.

As for reasons to create the group...I believe that the current hierarchy
of groups within comp.sys.mac.* greatly benefits the general Macintosh 
user community.  However, there are numerous aspects of Powerbooks that are
specific to these types of machines.  Whereas many of the other Macintoshes
share very simmilar architectures.  The creation of a group for powerbooks
would benefit the user community of PowerBook users by allowing us to 
quickly gather and transmit information that concerns only us, and not the 
general Macintosh community

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"Most people, if they counted how many people swam across the river, would 
never think about building bridges."  - Ronald Altman
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Subject: Re: sci.military to start again
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:16:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.120405.203483@uctvax.uct.ac.za> snggab01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>Hey everyone out there:I'm keen on resurrecting sci.military 
>All you sci.miller's let's get the group going again

What are you talking about? As far as I know, sci.military is perfectly
alive and kicking - our site has articles dated yesterday. Or have I
missed something?

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Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.asean
From: katan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Kim A. Tan)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.malaysia
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:33:36 GMT

In article <1jkq9tINNqfu@rodan.UU.NET> barrera@mtu.edu (Christopher Barrera) writes:

>This is the beginning of the second week of RFD - Request for Discussion
>for the creation of ** soc.culture.malaysia **. THIS IS NOT A VOTE. I
>included an explanation at the end of this message of the process for
>creating a new newsgoup. We have 3 weeks left before we can begin
>voting. What we need to do now is to keep talking about it so that most
>people agree on the name of the group, its charter, and whether or not
>it will be moderated (Censored ;-)

Good to hear that we have made thru the frist week.

>Also, please note that discussion for this group is redirected to the
>newsgroup "news.groups" so when anyone replies to this message their
>reply will go to that group. This is necessary as part of the rules
>for creating new newsgroups. So please check out the discussions there.

By the way, I have seen a lot of replies/discussions in s.c.a. However, I 
have only seen two or three posted here in news.groups (correct me if I am 
wrong).

So, guys and gils, please make sure you are x-posting the articles to news.
groups too.

>I would like to thank all so far who have supported this idea. If all
>remains like this, we will almost certainly have a new newsgroup! 

Yappeeeee!

>2) Most of the larger countries in Southeast Asia are already represented
>   by newsgroups, including:
>
>   soc.culture.filipino
>   soc.culture.thai
>   soc.culture.vietnamese
>   alt.culture.indonesia
>
>   as well as others nearby -
>
>   soc.culture.australia
>   soc.culture.bangladesh
>   soc.culture.china
>   soc.culture.hongkong
>   soc.culture.new-zealand 
>
>3) soc.culture.asean, as mentioned in #1 above, no longer has much
>   talk about ASEAN as a whole, suggesting the group is no longer
>   fulfilling its intended purpose. Perhaps it should be dissolved
>   or renamed with a new charter. Anyhow, it now seems an apropriate
>   time for soc.culture.malaysia to be created.

Also, note that the ASEAN consists of five countries (correct me if I am 
wrong), which are Sinagpore, Malaysia, Indonasia, Thailand, and Phillipin. 
Three of the five have created their own news group long ago (I can't recall 
when they started these groups), and Singapore has just started theirs 
beginning of this year. IMHO, the ASEAN group should be deleted and create a 
group for Malaysia. If one wishes to post news about the ASEAN, then he/she 
should x-post the article to all the five news groups.

>Many people have asked how to create this group, I apologize for
>not explaining it right away.           
>
>I have already volunteered to manage this process, which was
>started when I made my first post.

Don't be, you have done a good job. Thank you!

--Kim
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposed startrek split
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:47:49 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <rccarm00.727403500@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
>cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>
>>guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account) writes:
>>>Michael Rawdon writes
>
>>Regarding r.a.s.c.ds9 and r.a.s.c.tng
>
>>>I'm not going to be as active as I was reading the net but it should be
>>>obvious why we can't have a ds9/tng split:
>>>
>>>There'll be a ds9/tng crossover. (See the FAQ)
>
>>Only one.  This is not an excessive number given there are twenty odd
>>episodes of tng this year and nearly an equal number of ds9.  Also, IMHO
>>there will not be many crossovers since ds9 and tng are in different channels
>>in many markets.
>
>   Think again, please.  I have already counted *14* crossovers between
>DSN and TNG... if you want to see the entire list, I can give it to you...

I think you are being a little extreme in your definition of crossovers,
such as "Lursa and Betor appear of ds9."  This was clearly not a full-
fledged crossover, and discussion of it would obviously go under a ds9
group.  That is not to say that you could not make reference to R2,
but most of the critiques would pertain to ds9, so it belongs there.
I say that crossovers must have a unified plot which can affect the major
characters on both series.  Picard's appearance came close, but
that was unique, to give ds9 a boost.  In the long run, it must
surivive on its own.  (See my post on crossovers for more detail).
In closing, an analogy would be appropriate: did you see the need
to label tng episodes like "The Naked Now" and "Sarek" as crossovers,
or did you define them as tng with an occassion reference to tos thrown
in?

Chris
From: mcsseipa@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RDF: rec.games.miniatures
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:54:23 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



    As a dedicated wargamer using everything from ancient Egyptian to
    Ultra-Modern miniatures. I think this is an excellent idea for
    a news-group.

    That's another YES vote.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Subject: comp.database.object
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:03:55 GMT


I favor the creation of a group for object-oriented database discussion,
since we are about to get involved in one (or another of them), and I
can use all the help I can get :-)  I can't say that I would be a
contributor early on, but I would definitely contribute once I know
something about it.

I would prefer the name "comp.object.database", since that's the
direction we are coming to it from, but it's not a big deal.

--
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.startrek.current - split survey
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:22:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1jn63oINNfor@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
>In article <C17rsF.B3y@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>>In <93021.091146JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>...And here are the results:
>>>I was wrong, and the majority grew to a 3 to 1 margin, SHOWING CLEARLY TO ALL
>>>that there is considerable support for a split of some form.
>
>>If you think anyone is going to care about a poll with less than 100
>>replies then you are quite mistaken. It means nothing.
>
>One where the poll-taker admitted deliberately attempting to skew
>the results by posting interim counts. It means less than nothing.
>

I hate to admit it, but he may have a point here.  You may have thought
you were encouraging the naysayers to get organized by posting the 
interim counts, but you may also have encouraged people to bandwagon with
the majority.  So in future let's really show 'em and keep the results
secret until the end. :)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:52:53 GMT

GD> == George Dolbier <georged@sequent.com>

 GD> PROBLEMS:
 GD> ---------
 GD> 	First problem: the name. comp.os.nt is short and to the point, 
 GD> but maybe too short.  comp.os.windows-nt is too long [...]

By what measurement?
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From: gregr@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Rename rec.scuba to rec.outdoors.scuba
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:45:50 GMT
Reply-To: gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

I think the move of rec.scuba to rec.outdoors.scuba is inappropriate.
I don't think the people who use this group consider it necessarily
"part of the great outdoors".  In fact many of those that use the group
spend their scuba time in enclosed spaces (wrecks, caves).

Leave it where it is.

					Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz (hinz@picard.med.ge.com))
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.outdoors.orienteering
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:23:23 GMT

Heikki T. Suopanki (suopanki@stekt1.oulu.fi) wrote:
: >>>>> On 21 Jan 1993 21:03:15 GMT, rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) said:

: > I support rec.*.orienteering, but I feel the name should be
: > rec.sport.orienteering.  Orienteering is a sport.

: Richard> Gee, how much does someone make as a professional orienteer? Does the NCAA 
: Richard> regulate it or is it a club sport? Who is the high-school champs this year?

: I don't know about North America, but here in Nordic countries
: orienteering is definitely a sport.
: And rather popular one...

Great sentiments, but it seems that Richard is saying that if it isn't on
monday nights & sponsored by a beer maker, it's not a sport.  After all, 
how can you get 70,000 people together to watch it?

Sheesh.

I say go for a newgroup.  I'd like to be able to read about it, without
subscribing to a mailing list.

Dave

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Bible-study newsgroup...
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:19:07 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.


rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
>
>I originally was not enthusiastic about the group feeling that it could be 
>handled within the scope of the existing moderated group; The proponents have
>done a good job of handling the discussion and overcoming valid objections to
>the name and charter. I will vote for the group. (In fact, this entire RFD
>should be used as an example of how to conduct a new group proposal)

I know I speak for the whole RFD group when I say thank you very much for
this encouragement and great compliment...

 -Steve
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From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: New RFD: Bible Study Newsgroup
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:12:44 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan22.044059.14020@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
> In article <1jn1i5INN1np@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
> >
> >AS far as the other objections based on the location under
> >soc.religion.christian; people are reading to much into the name.
> 
> Would you then object to soc.religion.bible-study?  (If you did, you
> might be accused of "reading too much into the name" . . .)

No, I don't object. I actually prefer this name since I believe as some people
do that a relatively flat soc.religion namespace is preferable. My comments 
were to those people who were reading something into the placement of the
group.

[Material deleted]
> 
> But, having seen the debates over the soc.religion{.muslim}.ahmaddiya
> group proposal, I think that keeping soc.religion flat makes sense,
> since any attempt at further subdivision leads to, um, religious
> debates . . .
> 
> I won't vote against soc.religion.christian.bible-study, as currently
> defined, but I don't think anything would be lost by using the shorter
> name.

And I agree with all of your points. I also will vote for the group
under either name. 
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.startrek.reviews moderated
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:16:58 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1k6928INNgjs@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:

>In article <C1In6z.57D@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>>The more I think about the crossposting proviso the more it seems vital
>>the the success of the group. If I already read .current and .misc why
>>read .reviews as well? 

>To read reviews? Why do you read rec.arts.startrek.misc? Why do you read
>any other newsgroup?

The point is, I'm happy to read reviews in other groups. But I understand
that some people want to read just the reviews and nothing else. I use a
threaded newsreader with a large sill/select file. Many people aren't as
lucky.

>And there is no reason to create a separate group if all of its articles
>are going to be crossposted from one other group.

Actually, the proper way to put it is: all its articles are going to be
crossposted INOTO another group.
And there is a reason. Some people want to read reviews and only reviews.
I say let 'em. If the current idea to have some reviews appear ONLY in
rec.arts.startrek.reviews is adopted then I'll read that group too. One 
group more or less isn't any trouble for me.

-Geoff
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:19:59 GMT

In <1jvvolINNeq1@rodan.UU.NET> Tim Rigg <rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu> writes:

>                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION

>There is some discussion in rec.backcountry about creating a camping
>subgroup.  If such a group is created, it should be placed in the
>rec.outdoors. hierarchy which currently contains just
>rec.outdoors.fishing.

>In addition, obvious outdoors.* groups should be moved to that
>hierarchy.  Specially, rec.hunting should be moved.  Other
>possibilities include

	In my opinion, there is a great differnce between hiking and
hunting.  Likewise, there exists a great difference between fishing and
(as I am often found) dropping a worm in the water, kicking back with a
brew, and hoping the fish don't bite.

	The present heirarchy seems valid enough to me.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
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<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
From: mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik)
Subject: Re: do not rename rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:07:31 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <C1HzG6.I3G@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.170412.19181@irfu.se> mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik) writes:
>
>>	Agreed! Redundant unless there is a rec.indoors.skiing ...
>
>If that's the case, then isn't the "rec" part of it redundant as well?
>
	This is getting very silly, "rec" would only be redundant if "all"
	newsgroups were under the "rec" hierarchy.

>(This isn't a defense of the proposal in question, but simply of
>hierarchy in general.)
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 

						Mattias
From: cms@dragon.com
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: New RFD: Bible Study Newsgroup
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:39:37 EST
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited

In article <C16KBp.45H@athena.cs.uga.edu>, brown@pollux (Daniel Brown) writes:
> In article <C167r0.2I1@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleen S. Davis) writes:
>>While I was in favor before, I now strongly oppose the new Biblestudy
>>charter.  The change of the name to include the word "christian" is
>>exclusionary and unnecessary, especially since the charter does not
>>claim to restrict discussion to Christian viewpoints.  I see no harm
>>in omitting the word "christian" from the name, because any ambiguity
>>in the word "bible" is cleared up by the definition in the charter.
> 
> The group as proposed would not really belong in soc.* anyway.  A better name
> would be "talk.bible".

 Moderated newsgroups of this variety are traditionally placed in the 
soc hierarchy.  Only unmoderated groups generally go to the talk 
hierarchy.

 I also tend to support the name soc.religion.biblestudy.  Adding the 
word "Christian" seems to defeat the purpose as outlined in the 
charter and needlessly antagonizes Jews, or at least would make Jews 
feel less than welcome.  While Christians sometimes find it useful to 
cite Talmud, Jews cite Talmud for far more profound and religious 
reasons.  While biblical discussions can get technical, no doubt they 
can also be spiritual.  To deny such spiritual or devotional 
discussions to Jews is unnecessary.  The problem can be easily 
corrected by sticking to the originally suggested name.  That way both 
Jews and Christians will feel free to say what they think and feel and 
not have anyone say, "Hey, this is Christian newsgroup, after all."

 Just my two cents worth.

 I'd also like to say I'm sorry if I antagonized anyone on the 
Deuterocanonicals issue.  It's simply a subject I happen to feel very 
strongly about as an Episcopalian who frequently reads from the 
Deuterocanonicals from the Episcopal lectionary during daily evening 
prayer and recites "This is the Word of the Lord" after each reading.  
I probably came out a bit strong.

 Anyway, best of luck to the new group.  Also, if a backup moderator 
is needed for occasions when the regular moderator must be out of 
town, I'll be happy to volunteer my services.  Unfortunately, I 
couldn't possibly moderate full-time due to pressures on my time, and 
besides, I think the proposed moderator will probably be a good one.

> Daniel W. Brown (brown@pollux.cs.uga.edu, dbrown@ai.uga.edu)

Cindy Smith
cms@dragon.com 
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.poems,soc.culture.indian,news.groups
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: What *HAPPENED* to rec.arts.poems.urdu? / Marek
Followup-To: news.groups,rec.arts.poems,soc.culture.indian,misc.test,alt.culture.karnataka
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 04:19:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.215613.24432@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.195926.4595@fuug.fi> an6966@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>>What happened with this news group?  It passed its vote fair and square
>>and has been unfairly denied newgrouping since the net Cabal has
>>"investigated" it without producing a report for over three months. 
>>Again, I ask, WHAT HAPPENED?
>
>Ahem.  Terrible apologies, sahib.  Me forgots to tell the world that
>rec.arts.poems.urdu was ultimately deemed as fresh and innocent as a
>diaphonous sheen of a Punjabi virgin's eye, a creature of such purity as to
>merit 0% on the 500-question Purity Test *and* command a good camel in
>dowry *at the same time*.  Given such splendid exquisitness, the net.Cabal
>has decided to honor Goddess Kali with rec.arts.poems.urdu's sacrifice,
>which is still pending, subject to our finding a suitably excellent and
>mahogany-gold-with pearlescent-inlay-handle athame of purest Damascene
>steel(e).

Hmm?  I take it the rumors of Ali Haveliwala taking pre-CFV email messages
expressing general approval for the idea as "yes" votes were true?