From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:28:04 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <JIME.92Apr14121521@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# In article <1992Apr14.055734.25544@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   In article <JIME.92Apr13111632@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# >   # In article <1992Apr13.054206.5584@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   # >   In article <JIME.92Apr13001541@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# >   # >   # Now that we have pretty much delimited the two poles of the argument,
# >   # >   # the true state of affairs must lie somewhere in between.  Both the
# >   # >   # Palestinian rock-throwers and the Israeli policy for dealing with the
# >   # >   # intifada are responsible for the deaths.

# >   # >	   Wrong.  The Israeli policy for dealing with the intifada is a
# >   # >   result of the activities of the intifada (which includes the stone
# >   # >   throwing).  That makes those responsible for the stone throwing
# >   # >   responsible for the Israeli response.   One consequence of this is
# >   # >   that those Arab parents who are responsible for the stone throwing are
# >   # >   responsible for all the deaths (inclduing innocent Arabs, many of
# >   # >   which are children) and they therefore should be put on trial for such
# >   # >   acts.

# >   # This sort of logic leads nowhere.

# >	   Only if you do not understand it, as it is the case here.

# >   # The intifada is a result of the
# >   # Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

# >	   Oh really.  Then how come it took so long.
 
# Because some things take a long time.

	Then it is a result of some other things (at least one of which is
the cause for why it happened at one time and not another) besides the
(wrongly labelled) "occupation".

# The execution of some Nazi war
# criminals is a result of their war crimes.

	Nope.  It was a result of their being convicted of war crimes (I
know this sounds stupid, but it is the sort of logic Jim is using(.

# Some of these executions
# didn't happen until 40-50 years later.
 
	Who?  Not that it matters, since there must be a reason why it
happened 40-50 years later, which is the reason why it happened 40-50
years latter (I know this also sounds stupid, but again it is Jim's
logic).

# >   Ho come it fizzles out from time to time.  

# A better characterization would be that it flares up from time to
# time.  Most civil unrest takes on this nature.
 
	And their is a reason for it.

# >   How come there have been others who have really
# >   suufered for no fault of their own who would not even contemplate an
# >   intifada.  How come ...
 
# Different circumstances, different timings, different results.
 
	So then there is something particular about the Israeli
"occupation" that caused the intifada?  Since there have been harsher
occupations that have not resulted in something like an intifada, one
can only conclude that it is Israel's benign, weak, and whimpy way of
dealing with Arab troublemakers, plus the Arab culture's insistence on child
abuse (this is obviously not true, but it fits in with Jim's logic).
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David Makowsky
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