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From: karenc@deor.wr.tek.com (Karen Cate)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Plea for Evil (was Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:17:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.9493
Reply-To: karenc@amadeus.wr.tek.com
Followup-To: pdx.general
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


In article <1992Apr15.185827.21243@eskimo.celestial.com>, kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417) writes:

|> Burt -- are you changing your position to a pro-censorship one after
|> perusing the contents of b-cpu?
|> 
|> I suspect that we need examples of real, live evil in the world, if for
|> no other reason than that people need to see both evil and good to get some
|> idea of how to live. ... stuff deleted ...

|> As near as I can tell, attempts to *protect the innocent* practically always
|> conspire to produce **exactly the opposite effect**.  ... more deleted ...

I think censorship is not really the issue here.  The original posting was
complaining about a magazine (or was it a billboard?) not including b-cpu in
their list of billboards.  I sincerely doubt that this had anything to do with
protection of the innocent, or censorship.  I think that they merely wish not to
encourage or "approve of" the activities of this group of people.

I think one could also argue that freedom of speech also protects the rights of
the people putting together a list of services.  They are not required to include
every possible candidate on their list, just the ones they choose to be there.
You may accuse them of being biased, but you may not accuse them of limiting your
freedom of speech.

-Karen A. Cate
 karenc@amadeus.wr.tek.com
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
From: burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:40:19 GMT

In article <29E70BD8.5923@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
>>  So I think BITS' censorship is unwarrented.
>
>There isn't any "censorship" involved here.
>Try looking up the word in the dictionary.
>-- 
>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs

You're right, Chip.  It's *discrimination*.                     
-burt

-- 

If there isn't any light at the end         ,__c
of your tunnel, try self-delusion;        _-\_<,
It works!    burt@techbook.com...........(*)/'(*)
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From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:43:46 GMT
Organization: Cores 'R Us

In article <1992Apr14.224227.3419@visual.spk.wa.us> jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us (Jack Prevost) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.222433.21316@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>>burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble) writes:
>>
>>>You're right again Chip.  And having read a few of B-cpu's text files,
>>>I'm reversing my position regarding BITS' discrimination.  I guess I
>>>don't support free speech when it champions anarchy, racism, malicious
>>>mischief, and several other social ills.  I wanted to be open minded,
>>>but in this case, that would be the same as injecting myself with
>>>rabies.  8-(.
>>
>>>-burt (a week older, but a century wiser).
>>
>>It's always a treat -- unfortunately a rare one -- to see someone do a
>>little research and change his mind.  Good work.

uhhh...duh...was the above sarcasm or serious talk?  Seriously, folks,
did I get reeled in?  I responded earlier to this posting assuming it was
serious ("plea for evil" thread).  If it was sarcastic (and really, I had
no way of knowing, just from a 24-line, 80-column screen, and not knowing
the poster individually) the poster might be justly accused of oversubtlety.

>I agree.  But, on the anarcy bit, remember that anarchy is a political
>viewpoint, believing that no gov't is the best gov't.  The bad bit is
>violent anarchism, or just plain being an a--hole.

Well, I wish people wouldn't talk about "violent anarchism" as if it really
existed.  I think it's an oxymoron.  Scratch a "violent anarchist" and you
can readily see that it's really another label for "authoritarian".
Unfortunately (or fortunately), being an asshole is just part of the human
condition.  Being able to humor, cope with, nullify, avoid becoming like,
detecting, deflecting and thwarting them (and discouraging them from
reproduction via Insidious Infection with Free-Thinking Memes [our
much-touted, award-winning IIFTM(TM) program]) is probably far more practical,
possible, useful, interesting, entertaining and harmonious than exterminating
them.  While anarchists don't claim that their beliefs would necessarily
lead to an Asshole-Free-Future (AFF(TM)), we *do* claim that the methods of
our authoritarian world co-inhabitants lead to an Asshole-Rich-Future
(ARF(TM)).  There's plenty of history around to prove it.

>[...]

kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) -- clueless grandpa
TM's belong to Central Secretariat, World Anarchy Now!
From: lisa@bit.UUCP (Lisa Lowell)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Re: home wanted for +-3 mths
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:34:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.337
Reply-To: lisa@bit.UUCP
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr6.014823.26564@psg.com> chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham) writes:
>I'm looking for a (preferably furnished) studio/1-bed apartment,
>or a furnished room in shared home, for about 3 months beginning
>soonest. NorthWest Portland would be ideal. If you have any information,
>please send email to me, chris@psg.com.
>
>Thanks
>Chris

Tried to send you mail but it bounced!

Hi Chris,
   A friend of mine is trying to find a short term roomate.  He is in the
proccess of looking to buy a home within the next 3-6 months.  In the mean
time he needs a roomate to share the 3 bedroom house he is renting.  It's
big, has two bathrooms, a familyroom, livingroom with fireplace, washer and
dryer and a large front and fenced backyard which he maintains.  I think he
is asking $295 plus 1/2 utilities.  The house is in Beaverton close to 217, 26
and I5.  Albertsons is less than a mile away and the seven eleven is a couple
blocks from the house.  He works two jobs and is rarely home.  He doesn't smoke
or do drugs and would prefer his roomate not either.  If you are interested,
give him a call.  His name is Dave 524-4012.  It is easier to get a hold of him
on Tuesday or Thursday evenings.  He has an answering machine so you can always
leave a mesg.  Hope this helps!
		    Lisa
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
From: burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:34:17 GMT

In article <29E90622.4D69@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
>>According to chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg):
>>>There isn't any "censorship" involved here.
>>
>>You're right, Chip.  It's *discrimination*.
>
>Absolutely agreed, Burt.
>
>And when we no longer have the right to discriminate good from bad --
>to support the former and, just as important, _not_ to support the
>latter -- then it's time for me to find another country to live in.
>-- 
>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs

You're right again Chip.  And having read a few of B-cpu's text files,
I'm reversing my position regarding BITS' discrimination.  I guess I
don't support free speech when it champions anarchy, racism, malicious
mischief, and several other social ills.  I wanted to be open minded,
but in this case, that would be the same as injecting myself with
rabies.  8-(.

-burt (a week older, but a century wiser).

-- 

If there isn't any light at the end         ,__c
of your tunnel, try self-delusion;        _-\_<,
It works!    burt@techbook.com...........(*)/'(*)
From: jlewis@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Jeff Lewis)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: need help with televideo 920c and/or prometheus 1200 modem
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:02:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36001
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute

Need help with above equipment that was bought used and has no useful labelling
on the dip switches.  If you have a manual for either item, helpful knowledge,
or even said equipment with working dip switch settings, please either call
Mike Witt at 690-9629, or e-mail me.

Thanks much!
--Jeff
From: richn@vcd.hp.com (Richard Nute)
Newsgroups: sqnt-public.msgs,pdx.general
Subject: Re: Negative Costco Service
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:52:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.1992Apr16.225212.27358
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD


I believed that such signs meant that the owner of the premises was not
responsible if another customer caused damage to me while on their premises.

Damage to personal property by an employee performing his assigned job
almost always is the responsibility of the employer.

Signs disavowing responsibility are usually meaningless.  Usually, they
are intended to keep someone from initiating a claim for damages, or used
as a means for denying a claim.  Insurance usually has a deductible, so
the sign is one way of avoiding paying a claim less than their deductible
amount.  Paying the claim comes straight out of profits, so they don't 
want to pay any claim if they can bully their way out of it.

I suggest you have a frank discussion with the Manager.  Failing that, 
I suggest you start a small-claims court process.


Richard Nute
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:25:40 GMT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

In article <gate.VmmZiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd") writes:
> *YES*, you should certainly call Banished CPU!
> -=>  We support FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!  All points of view are welcome!
> -=>  Text and MS-DOS files available for download!
> -=>  FIRST-CALL ACCESS of 75 minutes/day and 1 meg/day download limit!
> -=>  No usage fees at this time!

Hi.  I'm new to this system and decided to check out the local
newsgroups.  What do I find but the same type of signal-noise.
I think there is a virus going around the newsgroups infecting
otherwise polite and intelligible discourse with the line
"Banished CPU"


"Banished CPU"

All over the place.   I think the reason why so few of them,
All over the place.  I think the reason why, at least on

All over the place.  I think the reason why so few of these people

ever answer their mail is that they have too many newsgroups to read and too much venom to write to
take the time to read and respond.

Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com

 Pardon the screwy editor.  If you can read this you are doing better than me.
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.forsa,or.general,or.forsale
From: smithrd@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Randy D. Smith)
Subject: need home for Golden Retriever
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: pdx
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:41:53 GMT

We need to find a new home for our family's golden retriever.  Sir Galahad
is a male, neutered, 18 month old "puppy".  He's very friendly, obedient,
AKC registered.  He will remain quiet even when others about him continue
to yap.  If kept in a home-like setting, he does very well.  However, if
left alone for extended periods of time, he will chew just about anything
(and I do mean ANYTHING), and he will try to get loose (if on a leash, for
example).  We need to find him a new home because we're traveling a lot more.
(He does very well traveling, but our motor home has only so much room, and
the campgrounds seem to be getting more and more restrictive.)


We also have a 6X12 kennel (made up of 6 6X6 chain link panels, one of
which has a gate built in), and an extra large travel kennel.  I would highly
recommend the kennel, as it prevents Galley from chewing for those times when
you do need to leave him contained for a while.

	$100 for the dog
	$185 for the kennel
	$45 for the travel kennel (used once)

	$300 if you take it all together, and we'll throw in the leather
		collar, choker collar, cedar mat, and the homemade
		dog house (if you want that) and tarp for the kennel.

Randy D. Smith at 640-1877 (home).
From: cheri@sequent.com (Cheri Dreixler)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Pressure Washing
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:12:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr8.211223.18130
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

B and R  Presure Washing

Moble Homes

Houses

Parking Lots

Roofs, etc...

Reasonable Rates

Free Estimates!!!!

632-7104(Bob) or 266-8661(Rob)

C
632-7
 

		 
		
 

 

	
 


 
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:24:33 GMT

burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble) writes:

>In article <29E90622.4D69@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
>>>According to chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg):
>>>>There isn't any "censorship" involved here.
>>>
>>>You're right, Chip.  It's *discrimination*.
>>
>>Absolutely agreed, Burt.
>>
>>And when we no longer have the right to discriminate good from bad --
>>to support the former and, just as important, _not_ to support the
>>latter -- then it's time for me to find another country to live in.
>>-- 
>>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>>      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs

>You're right again Chip.  And having read a few of B-cpu's text files,
>I'm reversing my position regarding BITS' discrimination.  I guess I
>don't support free speech when it champions anarchy, racism, malicious
>mischief, and several other social ills.  I wanted to be open minded,
>but in this case, that would be the same as injecting myself with
>rabies.  8-(.

>-burt (a week older, but a century wiser).

It's always a treat -- unfortunately a rare one -- to see someone do a
little research and change his mind.  Good work.

--Jeff

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) 
"Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
                                    --Thomas Jefferson
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From: maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd")
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:48:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: b-cpu.gate.VmmZiB1w164w
Organization: Banished CPU, +1(503) 232-6566


 *YES*, you should certainly call Banished CPU!

 -=>  We support FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!  All points of view are welcome!
 -=>  Text and MS-DOS files available for download!
 -=>  FIRST-CALL ACCESS of 75 minutes/day and 1 meg/day download limit!
 -=>  No usage fees at this time!
 _______________________________________________________________________

      _Computer Bits_ magazine (of Portland, Oregon) PURPOSEFULLY
 CENSORED Banished CPU from their BBS list (as they finally admitted on
 04/09/92) and refuses to include us in any future BBS listings!  Why?
 I was told:  textfiles that challenge certain parts of the official
 "Holocaust story" (the worst thoughtcrime!) and a textfile on
 explosives, with information that can be found in public libraries!
 Also, they said they'd had "complaints" about Banished CPU.  Imagine
 that...

      Fight censorship and fascism!  Call Banished CPU, and tell other
 Freedom-loving people that *Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech*,
 and give them our phone numbers!
 _______________________________________________________________________

 o  BBS software: RA v1.10 (both lines) and Waffle v1.64 (line 1 only)
 o  Relevant hardware:
   o  Intel 9600EX modem (v.32/42bis) and an Avatex 2400 modem
   o  675-meg 16ms Maxtor hard drive
   o  80386/33 with 8 megs 80ns RAM

      Support Freedom of Speech!  Read and speak FREELY about
 CONTROVERSIAL things that are CENSORED elsewhere!  Download and
 save COMPLETELY LEGAL (in the U.S.), EXTREMELY REVEALING texts --
 easily among the MOST FREQUENTLY CENSORED IN THE WORLD!  Exercise
 your right to Intellectual Freedom!

                          Keep freedom ALIVE!

                             Call today!!!

              Line 1:  (503) 232-6566 [2400-9600bps, v.32/42bis]
              Line 2:  (503) 232-5783 [300-2400bps]

                             Thank you.

                       Maynard "the Main Nerd"

-.-
Banished CPU supports FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  Currently no fees.
CALL:  +1(503) 232-6566 (8N1, v.32/42/bis) or +1(503) 232-5783 (8N1)
UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.
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From: edw@sequent.com
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:23:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr10.192326.18719
Organization: Orygun Society For HUman Rustabillity Assessment

In article <gate.VmmZiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd") writes:
%
% *YES*, you should certainly call Banished CPU!
%

Yes, just call Dial-A-NAZI
-- 
                         Write in H. Ross Perot !
            Re-elect nobody ! Kick out all the incumbent bums !
           Sunol, Ca had a dog as mayor (2 terms) Live & learn !
          anybackbone!sequent!edw edw@sequent.COM  KA9AHQ 28.340
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From: peterd@polari.com
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:01:12 GMT

[self serving post from Banished CPU deleted]

Maynerd the Main Nerd got at least that much right.

BCPU has been 'supressed' for being mindless,
untruthful, tedious, mendacious prevaricators
with a psuedo grasp of history and a desire to
creat a memory hole of thier own.

BCPU does have a right to say what it likes.  It
should not be suprised when the civilized world
laughs at it.

sorry for the band width usage.
Peter D Hampe
An Aryan Against Assholes

Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
From: edw@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Plea for Evil (was Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!)
Organization: Orygun Society For HUman Rustabillity Assessment
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.185827.21243@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417) writes:
%In article <1992Apr13.222433.21316@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
%>burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble) writes:
%>
%>>In article <29E90622.4D69@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
%>>>According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
%>>>>According to chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg):

Mondo stuff deleted

%
%I suspect that we need examples of real, live evil in the world, if for
%no other reason than that people need to see both evil and good to get some
%idea of how to live.  In other words, how do people learn to do good without

Mondo stuff deleted

I think your argument is alot like someone saying that they think
its good to keep pit vipers around the house, unrestrained ( especially
if there are children present) to remind us to all walk carefully,
lest we ever forget that stomping about could be dangerous.

Hate groups provide a lovely role model for the occassional youth,
who might have found another outlet. That of course is whole different
issue about how we can recognize disfunctional folk and help them.

Todays youth is somewhat more disassociated from the nastiness of
(insert conflict or hard times of your choice here) than the >=30
set, but I question is that bad ? do we really need to have a 
current example to dwell on ? might those energies be better focused
on social programs to help folks find a different out for their
passions ?

#include emotion
#set rationallity off
Lock and Load {
frankly for me, Nazi and other hate groups give me a reason to contemplate
loading up some 50% mercury filled 460 grain hollow points.
That makes me about as intolerant as them, but my target is socially
acceptable, to a degree.
} order arms.


Thats it
-- 
        Support no cost easy access firearms for the Tourette afflicted.
 Daily Phrases :   A turnverein of gymnasts.    An insalubrious of incumbents.
           Sunol, Ca had a dog as mayor (2 terms) Live & learn !
          anybackbone!sequent!edw edw@sequent.COM  KA9AHQ 28.340
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From: handle@nerd.uucp
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pnw.general,talk.politics.misc,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:36:04 GMT
Organization: The System

In article <gate.VmmZiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd") writes:
>
>      _Computer Bits_ magazine (of Portland, Oregon) PURPOSEFULLY
> CENSORED Banished CPU from their BBS list (as they finally admitted on
> 04/09/92) and refuses to include us in any future BBS listings!

  So what?  It's their magazine so they can do what they want with it.

> I was told:  textfiles that challenge certain parts of the official
> "Holocaust story" (the worst thoughtcrime!)

  Now this sounds interesting.  Perhaps you could provide the exact quote
rather than a paraphrasing.

> Also, they said they'd had "complaints" about Banished CPU.  Imagine that...

  Yes, imagine that.

>              Line 1:  (503) 232-6566 [2400-9600bps, v.32/42bis]
>              Line 2:  (503) 232-5783 [300-2400bps]
From: h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Candace O'Connor)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Decomissioning Oil Tank RFI
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:34:57 GMT
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Portland State University, Computing Services

Has anyone any experience with, or advice to offer about the process of
decomissioning an inground oil tank?  We switched to gas heat.  The gas
company told us that the old tank was no big deal, we could just leave
it, forget it, etc.  Well, that is not true.  I have just learned that
in order to sell the house we will need to have the old oil tank
"decomissioned".  I just heard some horror stories from a friend who
has spent about $20,000 on his decomissioning so far (his tank had leaked;
extensive soil testing and removal of contaminated soil is expensive).

Does anyone know of someone who will remove old oil (for free?  or
perhaps even pay for the oil?)  Does anyone have any experience dealing
with this process?  Any advice will be *greatly* appreciated.  Please
reply by email or to this group, whichever you prefer.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Candace O'Connor
Biology Department

h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu
From: loop!mhorne@onion.rain.com (Mike Horne)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Looking for someone who does rototilling...
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:50:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: loop.1992Apr8.175057.22825
Reply-To: loop!mhorne@onion.rain.com
Distribution: or
Organization: Launch Loop, Portland OR


I'm looking for someone to rototill our garden space.  The person's rototiller
will need to be less than 6' wide in order to get it into our backyard.  We're
located in the Aloha area.  If you know of someone good, reliable, and
reasonably inexpensive, please e-mail your reference to us as soon as you
get a chance.

Thanks for your assistance!

Mike Horne
loop!mhorne@onion.rain.com
H: 503-649-2285
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