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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Film "FAQ"
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:14:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Oct15.191444.167
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Oct15.051424.5821@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>In <1bha8oINN6hi@roche.csl.sri.com> abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) writes:
>
>Sounds good.  One idea (might not be good) is to have a list of films and
>a list of columns.  The columns would contain the number of "points" for a
>particular film in a particular category.  For example, if someone thinks
>NHG is great for wedding photography, they could rate it a "10" on that
>column.  If they think Ektapress 1600 is too grainy, they could give it
>a "0" (actually Ektapress 1600 isn't bad for ISO1600.  No flames please!
>:-).
>
>This makes it easier to summarize.  It's hard to summarize a bunch of
>qualitative comments.
>
>Every so often, film tests come out in the popular photo rags.  If one of
>them is deemed reliable, some of that data could be useful too.  At the
>very least, the full name, and the abbreviated name should be in a table
>so people don't get lost when other people start throwing code designations
>around.

A good place to start with your chart is on the Centerfold of Photographer
International (please no flames about this mag, I only got this issue for
this chart) Summer 1992 Pages 40-41. It lists just about every film that
you can think of, along with some technical specs like its RMS Grain value,
and its lines per mm resolving power. Heres a short list of the columns it
has on the chart.

Film/Brand
User Profile (Rates the film as either Amateur, Am/PRO, or PRO)
Type of Film (Like B/W Negative, Color Print, Color Slide, B/W Print,
             Color Reversal, Color Negative, or Color Transparency)
ISO Speed
RMS Grain
Res Power
Sizes        (Like 135-36, 120, Bulk, Sheet, etc)
Comments     (we could stick our own in here, like the rating system mentioned
             above)

Gary

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Gary Snow
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From: bobd@jupiter.informix.com (Bob Dodge)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: empty film canisters
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:16:17 GMT
Reply-To: bobd@jupiter.informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lenexa, Ks. Division


	These are also handy for carrying peanut butter, which seems to attract many different
birds and animals, in the field.  Just be careful in areas where large animals (such as bears)
are known to be part of the normal population.  

---
Bob Dodge, Informix Software, Inc., Lenexa, Ks. Division USA 
           bobd@jupiter.informix.com
	  - These are strictly my own personal opinions-   				
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Leica info wanted
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:46:03 GMT

     I posted to this net about a week ago and was sent a summry
of articles that had been previously posted. The articles answered
some basic questions I had, but I also have a few more questions;
mainly I am looking for summary of the R series cameras. I am 
interested in buying one and dont really know much about them. I 
would also be interested in learing about the Leicaflex models. 
Before I go out and spend $45 on a book, if anyone has this type
of info handy, I'd greatly appreciate it.

     Thakns, Marcus
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Sigma 180mm f2.8
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:22:23 GMT


  Hi netter. I have looking at Sigma 180mm f2.8
  now my question is
  1) Could i use this lens as potrait len and macro.
     aside from its weight.
  2) Anybody has experience with this lens.

  or should i consider sigma 180 f5.6 and minolta 135 f2.8 
  as macro and potrait respectively.

  or Minolta 100mm macro 
  I know sigma macro lens only go to 1/2 magnification.
  while minolta to 1/1 .

  Thanks in advance for any help.

   Muskie
  Smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu
  UK07802@mik.uky.edu
From: greeven@clipper.ingr.com (John Greeven)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: mail order film price list
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:17:18 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

Here's some information which may be of some use to this list.

Enjoy.

greeven@clipper.ingr.com


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      47 ST       Tri-   Executive     Smile**   Focus          
      Photo      State                 Photo     Camera     B&H    Adorama
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Kodak 
Gold
 100             ?/3.49  3.49/4.99              1.99/2.65          1.99/2.59
 200             ?/4.55  3.99/5.49              2.59/3.30          2.59/3.29
 400                     4.99/5.99              2.65/3.40          2.49/3.45
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kodak
Ektar
 100                     4.99/5.99              2.45/4.79          2.69/3.79
1000                     5.99/                  4.80/              3.99/5.99?
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Fuji
Color
CN                                                        *
 100                                               ? /6.30         1.85/2.25
 400                                                               2.45/3.49
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Fuji
Reala
 100             ?/4.50                         2.49/3.43          2.65/3.45
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
*
 This price includes processing

**
 No print film curently in stock.
 Some net members have had bad experiences with these folks.

Note: all prices in US$ for 24/36 exposures

Phone Numbers:

  47st Photo 800-234-4747
    Tristate     221-1926
   Executive     223-7323
 Smile Photo     366-6993
Focus Camera     221-0828
         B&H     221-5662
     Adorama     223-2500
From: phillip@bartal.com (Phillip M. Vogel)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Posting scanned pictures, Macbeth ColorChecker
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:36:24 GMT
Organization: Bartal Design Group, Inc.


In article <1992Oct8.224045.12863@odin.corp.sgi.com> donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis) writes:
>
[interesting stuff deleted]
>
>I'm not sure how the filters in a typical monitor's screen would
>compare to the saturation and balance of the dyes used in the MacBeth
>chart; I just don't know.  I know that as I sit an look at my monitor
>now, the overall contrast is incredibly low, partly because of the room
>lights.  I suspect if the lights were turned out, things could be
>improved dramatically.  I don't know how the colors compare, though.  I
>do know that the colors between different monitors can be very, very
>different.
>
>- donl mathis at Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
>donl@sgi.com
>
>Warn your kids -- "Math is tough."
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No kidding..........^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Over the summer. I had a chance to visit the Kodak Center for Creative 
Imaging in Camden, ME.  Among the other interesting things they had there
was an editing system including a 8X10 3600dpi scanner & film recorder and
a 'highly modified' SPARC 2. According to the guy who showed it to us, 
they had the video system tweaked up to about as good as technology would
allow, and it still doesn't look quite like a print,  or a transparency.

It is, he said, close enough so that you can get a pretty good idea of what
the final output is going to look like, but it does take practice. I did
not have the opportunity to look at the screen for myself, but I did see
a couple of 8X10 transparencies made by this machine, and they were very
impressive.  Oh yeah, the machine costs $60K.

Phillip
--
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Bartal Design Group, Inc.               | Domain: phillip@bartal.com
318 Marlboro Road, Englewood, NJ 07631  | (201)567-1343   FAX:(201)568-2891
From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Beginning Interests
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:46:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlg10.sdd.hp.com
Keywords: books

In article <375@biosys.apldbio.COM>, mpc@biosys.apldbio.COM (Morgan Conrad) writes:
|> slambert@AFIT.AF.MIL (Steve Lambert) asks:
|> 
|> >Simply put -- What are some recommendations on the books, magazines, etc.,
|> >that will inform a very basic beginner in this field.  I'm looking for
|> >pleasure mostly, landscape etc.
|> 
|> For outdoor/nature photography, I heartily recommend
|> 
|> John Shaw's Guide to Nature & Outdoor Photography Techniques (this may  
|>   not be the right title) a good overview of technique and composition
|> Freeman Patterson's books - Photography for the Joy of It 
|> Outdoor Photographer magazine. It's fun for a year or two, then you
|>   start seeing the same articles over and over again.

   I second the recommendations. Although I let my subscription to 
   Outdoor Photographer lapse after a couple of years they still 
   litter my shelves. 

   John Ongtooguk (johno@sdd.hp.com)
From: kting@cse.unl.edu (Kea Ting)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Need Info on Light Meters
Date: 16 Oct 1992 06:03:47 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:

>In article <1betuuINN5s7@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu>, yyh@osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu (Yu-Yun Ho) writes:
>> I am planning on buying a light meter, since each and every
>> photography book I read mentioned the impotance of a light meter.
>> 

    Try to look in the Photographic. Few months ago, Photographic have
a very extensive comparison about all the light meters in the market. Sorry
I forget which issue was that, but I think it was 2 or 3 months ago.
    Hope this help.



--
soon

University Of                  Disclaimer :
Nebraska-Lincoln               I always speak for myself.
From: ablum@unlinfo.unl.edu (abraham blum)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Any good photo magazine atall???
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:15:09 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

Why is there no worthwhile high-quality american photo magazine - or 
is there one?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Subject: Re: Good photo shop(s) in Boston area?
Organization: nil
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:44:41 GMT

In article <1b1t38INN2gr@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

 > The full messages follow, but a quick summary (in no particular order)
 > of the common responses is:
 >
 > SBI Sales (Boston, Cambridge): Film, etc.
 > Zeff Photo Supply, Belmont: Film, developing materials.
 > Light Sources (Boston): Film, etc.      \same building
 > E.P. Levine (Boston): Hardware, rentals./
 > Hunt Drug (Melrose): Everything.
 > Dorian Color Labs (Arlington): Processing.

   I'm surprised no one mentioned the Cambridge Camera Exchange. (No
affiliation with the NYC slimeballs.) They have a store on
Massachusetts Ave just north of Porter Sq, well within walking
distance of the Porter Sq. T stop. I've only been there once, but
although the store was small, it was stocked from floor to ceiling,
with a `tripod and bag forest' at the center and what appeared to be a
repair shop in the back. I noticed they stock tripods, light meters,
exotic lenses, and spare parts at least. I can't really recommend them
since I have so little experience with them (they were the only store
in the Boston area that had the light meter I wanted in stock), but
they seemed helpful and knowledgeable, prices were reasonable -- a
definite "check out" if you're in the area. Their main store is in
Revere.

   I was hoping someone with a little more experience could shed some
light on the CCE.

   On another note, I'd stay away from SBI as far as hardware is
concerned. They know, in general, very little about equipment. But I
buy film there all the time, since their store on Gloucester St.,
Boston, is just four blocks from where I live. Never had a reason to
be unhappy with any film, paper, or chemistry I've purchased there.
Reasonable prices, too. They also have a newly opened store on Main
St. in Cambridge, just across from the MIT Coop and Kendall T stop.
They share space with Colortek.

   BTW, I'm I the only one who think Colortek have improved their
services and quality since they moved? I only used to use them for
snapshots and E6, but now I'm starting to consider giving them a shot
for work I care about. They do 35mm, 120/220, and 4x5. Has anyone used
their Ektacolor services?

--
						-- Jan Brittenson
						   bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: Jimmy.Tung@dartmouth.edu (Jimmy Tung)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Beginning Interests
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:57:08 GMT
 <375@biosys.apldbio.COM>  <1bksccINNrvi@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I liked Upton and Upton's Photography, adapted from the Life Library of
Photography, Little, Brown & Co..  It's probably gone through a couple
of new editions (mine was 3rd ed, 1985).  Lots of pics and examples,
although the darkroom technique stuff really has to be
experienced/demonstrated instead of simply read about (if you want to
go this far).

Have fun.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: Magzine: Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:32:26 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <92276.145630IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

> All the responses I have received are positive. It is a pro and advanced
> amature oriented magzine, and provides a detail and technical information
> on darkroom and photo techniques. I am going to subscribe it.
> 
> Here is address:
> 
> Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques
> P. O. Box585
> Mt. Morris, IL 61054

What's an overseas subscription?
What credit cards do they take?

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: mattw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Ward)
Subject: Wanted "Lens World" by Canon & Canon filter for 300mm lens.
Summary: Wanted, Canon book "Lens World"? and filter for 300mm FD lens.
Keywords: canon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:32:44 GMT

Wanted: A book published by Canon, maybe titled "Lens World",
that details all Canon FD lenses. 

I am also in need of an in-barrel polarizer for a Canon 300mm
f/4.0 FD lens.  Thanks in advance.


-- 
			Matt Ward
			mattw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
			University of Illinios
			Department of CCSO
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Subject: Re: Nikon N90 Features Summary
Originator: asanders@sparta
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:13:09 GMT

A couple of questions come to mind:

What is meant by "Number of focusing zones: 2"?

This may be a rhetorical question, but why would a photographer
who was willing to spend $750 for a camera body need a portrait
program, landscape program, closeup program, and so on?  Did
Nikon include these features to help prospective buyers decide
between the N90 and the Canon Rebel?

And finally, isn't it odd that the N90 needs the multi-function
back to access features (like multiple exposure) that are built 
into the 8008(s)? Isn't it even more odd that all these extra
programs have been added, but Program Shift has been eliminated?

						-Alan


Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: reuber@world.std.com (kent b reuber)
Subject: Re: minolta xi lenses
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:12:40 GMT

yw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Yin Wang) writes:

>	I bought a minolta 9xi from a mail order shop. When I also placed ordersfor two minolta xi series lenses (xi 28-80 f3.5 & xi 80-200 f4.5), the salesman
>told me the minolta xi lenses have problem in manuel focusing and the lenses
>are slow and the quality of lense optics are not good. So he suggest me to buy
>a set of Tokino lenses (AF 28-70 f2.8 & 70-210 f4.0). He said these two lenses
>are high quality and fast. The only thing I am loose he said is the power zoom
>and widerview features provided by xi camaras. Since I am not fimilar with
>both xi and Tokino lenses, I bought his words and took the Tokino lenses. The
>Tokino lenses are 25% more expensive than Minolta xi lenses.
>	Any thoughts ?

>Thanx.

I recently bought a 7xi and a 28-105mm xi zoom lens. The xi lenses don't
have a true manual focus--they focus manually under power. Pulling back on
the power zoom ring and twisting in one direction or another changes focus
(sort of like power steering in a car.) I still haven't gotten used to
this system--I keep going too far in either direction.

Popular Photography has reviewed some xi lenses. They thought the 100-300
mm zoom lens wasn't very good at 300mm. The Tokina lenses have been well
reviewed in general. These lenses are faster and have low dispersion
glass, which the xi's do not. You should also look at Sigma.

On the area of cost, Tokina makes several zooms in those ranges. Their
"flagship" lenses are the 28-70 f2.8 and 80-200 f2.8, but they also make a
28-70 f2.8-4.5 and a 70-210 f4.5-5.6. If you don't need the constant f2.8,
you may be able to save yourself some money. Considering what your going
to pay for the 9xi, why skimp on lenses?
From: alexm@cipr-ct.nmr (Alex Milshteyn)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: FAQ rec.photo - where is it?
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:28:52 GMT
Reply-To: alexm@cipr-ct.nmr
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Hi, everyone:

Where do I get rec.photo FAQ?
Thanks in advance.


Alex M. Milshteyn
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: mayer@piis05.joanneum.ac.at (Mayer Harald)
Subject: Re: Good photo shop(s) in Boston area?
Organization: Joanneum Research, Graz, Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:43:44 GMT

I am going to visit Boston next week and would also be very interested in some
good photo shop adresses. I am interested specially in Canon EOS equipment
(flashlight, lenses, ...).
Please give me some advice.

Thanks

Harald Mayer

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From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Freezing Film
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 07 Oct 92  12:31:30

On <Oct 06 12:31> Jim Hood writes:

 JH> I was always taught that the freezing process caused some of the 
 JH> chemicles in the emultion to expand as it crystalizes (as water 
 JH> does), and that this pushes the silver around and such.  The more 
 JH> your freeze your film the grainer picture.

Sounds like somebody's speculation.  Anybody have some real test results?
From: v462etnn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 8x10, Christopher Burkett, light sources
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <5360816@hplsla.hp.com>, andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino) writes...
> 
>About this idea of shooting directly on Cibachrome in a view camera, and
>the resulting image being backwards... will one of the proponents of this
>assertion please explain why Polaroid film exposed in a view camera doesn't
>come out "backwards"? It seems to me that in both cases the emulsion is facing
>the lens during exposure and in both cases the viewer looks at the emulsion 
>side of the print. And Polaroids don't come out backwards, neither when 
>exposed in a view camera or any other other Polaroid-capable camera, which 
>all use a taking lens to expose the emulsion side of the film which is 
>then viewed. Do extra-terrestials get involved when Cibachrome is exposed?

Why would it come out backwards?  Just rotate the sheet of
paper 180 degrees.  I've got a view camera and the image on
the ground glass is upside-down and reversed left-to-right.
So, if in reality a tree is on my left, it appears on the
right hand side of the glass, upside-down.  Exactly 180
degrees out of phase.

I've seen Cibas directly exposed.  There's an excellent
catalog for a pinhole photography show that features several
Cibas exposed in a pinhole camera.  Looked ok to me.  (so,
you're thinking, how could he tell?  Well, one of the photos
was of the camera maker and there's a "regular" photo of him
elsewhere in the catalog - nothing was reversed)

As an aside, if the camera has a reflex mirror (say an old
reflex Graflex) and you put the Ciba paper on the ground
glass and exposed with the mirror down, *then* you'd get
a reversed image (left-to-right).

David Anderson
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: robert@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Robert Groom)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Canon EF 28mm.
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:40:13 GMT

news@walter.bellcore.com writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.205304.1505@news.columbia.edu> fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali) writes:
>>
>>Does anybody have any good/bad comments about the Canon EF 28mm lens?
>>How does it compare to a zoom, say the EF 28-70mm II or the EF 28-80mm
>>USM (the 28mm end, of course)? Thanks.
>>

>It is superior lens carrying a bargain price tag. Go get one while they
>last. Not only it easily outperforms either of the zoom lenses optically,
>it also gives you f2.8 instead of f3.5.

These comments echo Canon's own description in their "EF Lenses" brochure:

"The EF 28mm f/2.8 is the most affordable wide-angle lens in the Canon line,
making it quite attractive for beginning photographers.  An excellent choice
for group shots and landscapes, the 28mm f/2.8 is also faster, lighter and
smaller than zoom lenses.  This lens is quite sharp and exceptionally low in
flare, due to a Canon-exclusive glass-molded aspherical front element.  The
full extension focusing system is driven by an AFD motor and features a
non-rotating 52mm filter thread."

>I got a 28-80, but still use the 28 a lot.

>C. Jason Chen 
>jchen@wind.bellcore.com

I have a 28mm too but I have rarely used it since I got the 28-80 f/2.8-4L.
This L zoom _is_ sharper than the fixed lens, whereas the "bargain" zooms
are definitely not.  Another important point to remember is that the fixed
EF28mm f/2.8 focuses down to 0.3m whereas the 28-80 zooms only get to 0.5m.
Getting in closer can make a big difference when you want a huge dramatic
subject in the foreground with vast expanses of sharp background.

-- 
Robert Q. Groom                            "My other computer is an EOS-1"
robert@labtam.oz.au
Labtam Australia Pty Ltd         phone: +61-3-587-1444 fax: +61-3-580-5581
Organization: Masters student, Masters of Public Management, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA