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From: stribe@intacc.uucp (Shawn Tribe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: Re: 23rd C. scholars (was Re: Bandwagon)
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:06:59 GMT
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network


While I most emphatically agree that Picasso will be seen as one of the most
important artists of the 20th century (I would go so far as to say he is the
most important of all time) I have to ask you why you picked Marcel Duchamp?

What is it that makes you choose Duchamp?
 
My list of the most important 20th century artist would be (in order):

Pablo Picasso (in conjuction with Georges Braque)
 -> Reason: Cubism was by far the most important innovation of this century
            as it changed forever the way artists looked at things.

Paul Cezanne
 -> Reason: Cezanne in fact inspired cubism, by starting to change objects
            into geometrical planes, cylinders etc.. he has been proclaimed 
            the 'father of abstract art'.

Andy Warhol
 -> Reason: His development of Pop art effectively showed late 20th century
            pop culture.

I would also like to give Salvador Dali an honourable mention here. There
were so many great artists during the early 20th century, and so much
going on at that time, many get overlooked. Inversely there is so little 
of relevance/importance in the late 20th century that few stand out.
From: skuff@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: homosexuality in ST
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:14:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1993Jan24.181455.1
Organization: Mankato State University

RE: Homosexuality in Star Trek
Let me start by saying that I am borrowing this account, so any views expressed
here are not neccessarily those of the account holder.
        Since Star Trek: The Next Generation was first in development as a
series, Gene Roddenberry said at conventions and in interviews that he wanted
to address the subject of homosexuality in the new series, perhaps even have a
homosexual crewmember.  There is, of course, a long history of social
commentary and analogies to current issues in Star Trek, from racism to "Save
the Whales", so dealing with the issue in some manner could almost be expected.
        For whatever reason, an openly homosexual character has never
materialized (in a transporter or otherwise).  Probably the closest that Next
Gen has come to dealing with the issue is in the episode "The Outcast", which
portrayed an androgynous race.  While this episode deals somewhat with
tolerance of sexual preferences outside those of "normal" society, it failed to
confront head on any possible parralels in the Federation or in Earth history. 
To quote James Van Hise from his book "Trek: The Next Generation"; "It is as if
ST-TNG is an alternate universe where nobody is gay, but if you were, it would
be 'all right'."
        An episode planned for the first season of Next Gen ("Blood and Fire"
by David Gerrold) contained an AIDS allegory, as well as two male crew members
who had "been together" for over two years.  This script was initially well
liked by all, but was shelved after (reportedly) Gene Roddenberry's lawyer
didn't like it.
        The Next Gen episode "The Host" which introduced the Trill, came close
to the issue, when Odan was transferred from his original male host into Riker, 
and finally into a new female host.  Dr. Crusher, who had begun a relationship
with Odan before has was revealed as a Trill, and continued is while Odan was
in Riker's body, ended it when Odan took a female form.  Dr. Crusher did not
state that it was because of the host's gender that she discontinued their
sexual relationship, but because she could not cope with Odan's continually
changing physical form.
        Now, I'm not interested in speculation about why Trek hasn't addressed
the issue of homosexuality more directly than they have.  I would like to hear
opinions on how and to what extent they should deal with it.  Should Starfleet
be shown to have homosexuals in it?  Should this be shown as unnatural?  I
invite your comments.

Christopher Jones
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:14516 rec.arts.startrek.tech:7856
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: warp speed
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:18:05 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.


[Followups set to rec.arts.startrek.tech ONLY.]

In <1993Jan28.180423.3672@ists.ists.ca> donofrio@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Frank D'onofrio) writes:

>Hi. My professor of electromagnetism told the class that the warp speed
>function is:
>               velocity= (5^warp)*c    (new series)
>       and     velocity= (2^warp)*c    (old series).

>This would mean that even at warp 1, the ships are moving faster than
>light. Surely, the show creators would realize this? Does anyone know
>what the velocity functions are?

Well, that all really depends on who you want to believe. For TNG I prefer
to accept Sternbach and Okuda's TNG Tech Manual as gospel (or as close as
you can get in TV).

Their explanation is that at Warp 1 the warp field forms and light speed
is reached. From there on the speed is measured by the strength of the
warp field (which is measured in the non-existant 'cochrane'). Warp 1 is
1c and 1 cochrane. Warp 2 is 10c, Warp 3 is 39c.... etc
Warp 9 is 1516c (really really fast....) and Warp 10 is theoretically
unattainable because the power usage and probable speed rises rapidly
towards infinity after Warp 9.5 or so.

Now it takes them 3 pages and a BIG graph to make this sound like a
functional fake theory. Personally, it works for me. It seems more likely
when combined with the power usage curve.

The TNG Tech Manual is a fun read even if you skip over the techie bits. I
recommend it.

-Geoff
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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Tape Swap - Need Season 5 of TNG
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:18:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom


Hi! I need Season 5 of ST:TNG starting with the ep after "ETHICS".
I have an extensive collection of videos mainly UK comedy and sci-fi,
mst3k and a large (if eclectic) selection of movies. Please email if
interested!

Ellen
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From: myandell@boulder.colorado.edu (Mark Yandell)
Subject: Mr. Data Sings-need CD info!!
Reply-To: myandell@boulder.colorado.edu (Mark Yandell)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:53:32 GMT

Help ! my wife is an incredible mister Data fan. Recently , she heard
that he has put out a couple of albums. I would really appreciate it
if somebody could give me the title and label.

Thanks !!!!!
From: marc@soda.berkeley.edu (Marcelino Enriquez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek Movies- Has there been changes?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:08:08 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

	Did anyone else catch this besides me. The home video version and
the HBO version had a scene cut out that was in the movie screen version.
This scene happened right after Iman gets Kirk and Bones up to the surface,
Kirk was being simultaneously being beamed up and shot at by the klingon.I
was wondering why they cut out this scene? And I am not talking about the
first shot that kills the Iman replica of Kirk. When they first showed movie
previews on tv, they used this scene quite extensively, to the point that I
thought kirk was going to die in ST: VI The Undiscovered Country. Any
Comments
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek III: HELP!!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:48:06 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1993Jan27.091831.14117@bsu-ucs> 00nderwin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>Could anyone out there please post the stardate or actual (Star Trek) year that
>Star Trek III is supposed to have taken place in?

The recently posted Star Trek timeline places the events of Star Trek III
in the year 2285. The compiler of the timeline (Tim E. Dayger) gives an
explanation for his arrival at that date and his reasoning is good enough
for me.

-Geoff
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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TNG and G.O.D. (and Bajorans!)
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:22:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan25.192241.12338
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1k020nINN1aa@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen) writes:

>I agree.  I don't think that religion per se is missing on TNG or in the
>24th century.  What is missing is mention of religion as practiced by the
>mainstream society which Starfleet represents.  This by no means suggests
>to me that religion has disappeared, rather it is the writers way of
>being careful to not alienate any of the viewers. 

Besides - remember that great quote from Kirk to Apollo, in "Who Mourns For
Adonais"?

"Mankind has no need of `gods'; we find the One quite sufficient."

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: Overrated/Underrated
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 01:30:53 GMT

Personally, I'd rank the movies:

2
4
1
6
3
5

I just didn't care much for # 3 !

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		KEEPER OF THE TIDE
                (Tazewell and Va-Pen chapters)
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Shatner
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:19:14 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: world
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Originator: clin@state.eng.umd.edu


    Just a rumor.  I saw something on one of these morning shows (Regis
and Kathy Lee?) where Shatner was a guest, and there was some talk about
having him direct (gasp!) a movie based on one of the Tek stories that
he's written.   It's supposedly in the very early stages, having only
been recently suggested.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: D.J.Miller@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek Vessels in PostScript?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:52:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.



Hi folks,

  does anyone out there know where I can get hold of some PostScript files of various Trek ships. I did have a great one of a Rommie Warbird
and would appreciate any pointers to FTP sites.

cheers

University of Newcastle Upon Tyne	d.j.miller@newcastle.ac.uk
England
NE1 7RU					witty comment fits in here.
From: waden@pro-smof.cts.com (Wade Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Commanders Vince & Larry II
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:11:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-smof.1993Jan22.191129.43176
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]

Seat belts for the crew?  During red alerts only?  How about some sort of 
restraints, even airbags for crew that stand at their stations along with
some sort of leg/thigh restraining brackets.  All in favor?

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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST VI
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:41:46 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <kbrill.009o@GACSTL.UUCP> kbrill@GACSTL.UUCP (Kenneth Brill) writes:
>Can someone explain to me the line in ST vI (I think)  'The undiscovered 
>Country' where right after the meeting Kirk and Spock are talking and Kirk 
>say 'You should have trusted me....'.  What did he mean 'trusted'?
>

I believe it is related to the fact that Spock "volunteered" the Enterprise
crew for the mission and "personally vouched" for Kirk -- all while
(intentionally?) keeping Kirk in the dark about the whole thing.

Kirk may have believed that Spock didn't inform him of the mission
ahead of time because he feared that Kirk would object and thereby 
sabotage all the careful negotiations that he (Spock) had already performed.

-- 
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: Marina Sirtis
Keywords: Marina, movies
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 03:40:23 GMT

In article <13879@scottyb> scottyb@Software.Mitel.COM (Scott Brown) writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.111256.8762@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>>IMPOSSIBLE... since Marina has never done any "dirty movies".
>>
>>Sorry kids.
>
>
>I believe she was in a movie called "Blind Date" but not the version with
>Bruce Willis (sp?).  There used to be a ".GIF" floating around that was

Yep... that is correct.

>purported to be the jacket cover for the movie and the resemblance to
>Marina was unquestionable.  The text indicated "...staring Marina Sirtis".

Well, she was only in one very short scene...

>I have no other information on the existance of the movie.
>

What information do you want?  It starred Kirstie Alley and Timothy Bottoms
and was made in 1984...

>Never say "never" again.
>

Eh?  Why not?  And what does this have to do with the subject in question?
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: MARINA SIRTIS
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 15:01:02 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst)  writes:

> -> Unless you automatically call any movie with nudity "dirty".
> 
>    Perhaps I'm overly puritanical, but when an actress flashes her
> hither and nether regions about the screen, I consider it a "dirty"
> movie.  Not pornography, but still dirty.

>    Anyway, I think this particular thread has gone on long enough...

Agreed.  People have been arguing for thousands of years over how to
define pornography, and "dirty" is an even more subjective and
emotionally loaded term.  The probability that these questions will be
resolved here and now is 0.00%.  So let's just drop it, okay?

-- 
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pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    | does not read the manuals."
**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        | Libes & Ressler, *Life with UNIX*
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: er@iscp.bellcore.com (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: TNG AND G.O.D.
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:27:22 GMT

In article <7104.36.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp>, paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst)  writes:
|> -> It appears to me that TNG discounts the possiblity of a benevolent,
|> -> caring higher power at every turn, whether believed in by "lower"
|> -> cvilizations, or just by their belief in thier own ability to resolve
|> -> any crisis that comes up.
|> 
|>    I believe in the TOS episode "Who Mourns for Adonais?" (where they
|> meet Apollo), Kirk says something like "We find the one God quite
|> sufficient."  So, even though religious practices are generally
|> restricted to the occasional Vulcan ceremony or as a plot device with
|> some other culture, one can assume that there is still religion in the
|> 23rd and 24th centuries.

If not organized religion, at least a basic montheistic belief.  This general
attitude seems to extend into TNG's era, as evidenced by Picard's stated belief
in an afterlife (the Nagilum episode, can't recall the title).  Also, at least
some people are Christians and even believe in the divinity of Jesus, as
shown by Uhura in "Bread and Circuses".  I've never seen hide nor hair of Jews
in Star Trek, though.  But I can hope! :-)

|>    In my opinion, space flight and exploration of the galaxy would more
|> than likely renew interest in religion and the age-old "where do we
|> really come from?" question.  Especially in the ST universe, where every
|> other life form is humanoid (this is a bit too much to be taken as a
|> random, evolutionary event).  Though some would like to deny it,
|> religions of all sorts are alive and well in the 20th century.  I see
|> no reason to assume that it will go away in the next 300 or 400 years.

I agree.  And while we're on the subject, I find it very distressing that
blatant ridicule and scorn of religion is spouted so often in this group,
even (or especially) by some of the most respected, prolific posters.  This
is extremely offensive to religious people, of whom I'm sure there are many
reading these words.  It's no less disgusting than racist or sexist remarks.
If you don't believe in God, that's your right, but why the need to make fun
of those who do? 
-- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made
Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
(908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
From: w0333@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: West/Wolf/Worf
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:06:23 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

	Okay, Wolf is not West, right?

	The character Rene Aber... played in STVI:TUC was named WEST!  Ala
another Colonel known as North who had a somewhat similar idea or disposition!

	Rene was NOT credited because his scenes were cut from the theatrical
release and the credits were not re-done for video.  Additionally, Rene played
Col. West in disguise as a Klingon at the end of the film when he attempted to
assasinate the President, but, being disguised and unnamed (in the theatre
version) he was not credited.

Bob Mack, Dayton, Ohio

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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Q
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:33:10 GMT

I was sort of tied up last week, but can someone tell me how Q
became a buddy with the federation??????

thanks...

Marshal

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From: prv2d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Re: CHERYL (SP?) GATES MCFADD
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:28:11 GMT

In article <1jn7f1INNbqk@manuel.anu.edu.au> David.Berriman@anu.edu.au (Cyalodin) writes:
>>True she was in Hunt for Red October, but the scene was cut from
>>the final release.
>
>Let me amend this to ... but THE scene was cut ...
>
>She actually did a bit more than was ever shown.  A scene where she
>'properly' kissed her screen husband goodbye never made it past the
>cutting floor.
>
   Here is the script scene in which she was in, before any
editing occured:

  SALLY
     Stanlay keeps waking me up.

Stanlay is Sally's bear. Ryan talks to it like it was alive. It
makes Sally grin.

   RYAN
      Whats the matter, Stanley? Are you nuts or something?

   SALLY
      He's not nuts. He's lonely.
   (slyly)
      He needs a brother. If he had a brother then he could go
      to sleep better.

Before Ryan can answer, a ravishing woman in her late-twenties
marches into the study. She is

MARGARET RYAN

English, intelligent features, in tweed suit and raincoat. A
matronly woman hovers in the doorway behind her:

   MARGARET
      We are never going to make it.

   RYAN
      Just a minute.
   (to Sally)
      Daddy has to go, cricket. You and Stanley go upstairs with
      Mrs. Wheeler and go straight to sleep. When I'm away, I'll
      see if I can find Stanley a brother.

   SALLY
      Promise?

   RYAN
      I promise.

CUT TO:

THE ROVER
pulling to a curb in driving rain at Heathrow. Red Army CHORUS
SWELLS. Leaping out, Ryan grabs luggage and races to the driver's
side. Margaret pulls his face through the window.

   RYAN
      I'm all wet.

   MARGARET
   (kissing him)
      You're sexy when you're wet.

   RYAN
   (grinning)
      I'm gonna miss you.

   MARGARET
      Get out of here, Yank. Or I'll tear you limb from limb.
   (he starts)
      Wait! I got you these. They'll help you sleep on the plane.

She has a bottle of pills in her hand. He squints at it, shaking
his head in the pouring rain:

   RYAN
      Won't do me any good -

   MARGARET
      Jack.

   RYAN
   (sheepish)
      OK. I'll try.

Taking the pills, he kisses her again. All of s udden, he wants to
climb inside, park someplace and steam the windows. Her smile is
knowing:

   MARGARET
      You only have three minutes.

   RYAN
   (grinning)
      Hey. If I'm lucky, might miss the damn plane altogether.

-------------------------------

   That's it - sorry for the longish post. I don't know how it
compares to the final product, since its been a bit since I've
seen the film. 

   Peter



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From: curran@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Brian Curran)
Subject: Starfleet Academy decals needed
Summary: Where can they be purchased? 
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:14:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory

I saw a few Starfleet Academy window decals in the D.C. area.  I
first thought you could purchase them at the National Air & Space
Museum (where the ST exhibition continues through 1/31/93), but I
could not find them.  Query:  Where can I go to purchase them?  Are
they mail-order?  Addresses/telephone numbers/prices would be helpful.

bc
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:41:34 -0500 
From: Niti Meng Mantasoot <nm0z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: looking for shatner album

hey people

i don't know if this is the correct place to post this but i was
wondering if anyone has a copy of william shatner's terraformed man
album. 
i heard the two songs off the golden throats album and found them
terribly amusing (terrible in all senses of the word).
i'm sure it's a collector's item but i'm not interested in it for it's
collectablility or financial value only in its humor content. 
a tape of it would suffice. i'm willing to pay a reasonable amount for it.


thanks
meng
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From: colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald)
Subject: Anyone tell me who...
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:18:48 GMT


Can anyone tell me who Angelique Pettijohn of (the original) Star Trek 
played in the show and what episode(s) she appeared in?

Thanks,
	Colin Mac Donald
	colin@ug.cs.dal.ca
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