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From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: Re: Do I need KanjiTalk if I have ChineseTalk
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:29:58 GMT

gabilin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:

>This is the first time I post news, I hope I can get it right.
>My question is that what the difference between ChineseTalk and KanjiTalk is ?
>If I have ChineseTalk, could I run Japanese software with it ?
>Could anyone answer me this question ?

>Thank you for your help in advance!

>Gabi Lin

No, unfortunately, the two are quite different. You can, of course,
generate kanji (hanzi) with ChineseTalk, but the kanji alone are
not sufficient to write most Japanese, and the kana are not available
in ChineseTalk.  There's also the issue that the Japanese style of
the kanji is different from either traditional or simplified hanzi.

The two issues are input system and character set.  KanjiTalk lets
you type in romanized Japanese or kana and it converts the input to
the appropriate Japanese characters in a more or less intelligent
way.  ChineseTalk also lets you use a regular Mac keyboard to 
type in romanized Chinese (or in radicals depending on the input
system you choose) and it converts your input into Chinese
characters.  You'd be very unhappy trying to type Japanese using
a Chinese input system.  If you were using ChineseTalk and wanted
to type "Chuugokujin desu" you'd have to type "ZHONG1 GUO2 REN2"
and then you'd be stuck because there would be nothing you could
type to get the hiragana for "desu" on your screen!

Hopefully, Apple will see fit to deliver fully functioning
Japanese and Chinese language modules to the general market on
a mass scale.  Then, if you are using system 7.1 with worldscript
you'll be able to change the input system (so you can type in the
language you're attempting to write in instead of having to try 
to remember the Chinese pronunciation of some Japanese word) and
you can change the script (e.g. from Chinese-style hanzi to
Japanese-style kanji+kana) with the click of the mouse.
-- 
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|--- Glen C. Perkins ---|                                                   |
| <gperkins@netcom.com> |             "Don't forget, your mind              |
| Native Guide Software |              only *simulates* logic."             |
| Palo Alto, California |                                                   |
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: lunde@adobe.com (Ken Lunde)
Subject: Re: ASLEdit+
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:25:17 GMT

Hello!

In article <1992Dec14.153244.19329@news.columbia.edu> citerman@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:

>>I was using ftp.uwtc.washington.edu to try and download ASLEdit-1.0a30.hqx.

	Do you know of the new version? It is 1.0a35, and you can get it
at FTP site ftp.tohoku.ac.jp (130.34.8.9) in the pub/mac/tools/editor
directory as the file asledit-10a35.hqx.

-- Ken R. Lunde
   Japanese Font Production
   Adobe Systems Incorporated
   lunde@mv.us.adobe.com
From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Slips and Puns in Japanese
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:15:35 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

In article <Bz86rC.D23@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>>  "Moo sukoshi, onegaishimasu...." I say.
>>  "Onaka ga, suite imasu ka?"  She asks with a slight hint of Kansai ben
>>  "Iie, onaka ga, konde imasu."  I reply...
>>
>>Giggle giggle giggle, hand covers mouth....I've said something wrong.
>>
>>  "Ippai desu ka?" she corrects me.
>
>   And you didn't react to it? Darn! You should have said,
>
>   "Iie, san-bai mo tabemashita kara..."
>
>   You would have been admired by Kimono hostess-san as an even more adorable
>creature "Kawaii James-chan".....   
>
>--Michiaki

I wasn't as witty and droll as I am today, not that I'm all that droll.
Besides, to be admired by the hostess is one thing, to be able to afford
that admiration is another. 8-).  Kawaii James-chan?  NOT!  Kawaiso is
more like it!  Nothing cute about this linebacker-mitai, yours truly!

Jaa, James
=======================================================================
James C. Liu |    KARAOKE Addict!     Karaoke: You're the STAR!!!!    |
             |    Wanna go? Need someone who sings worse than you do? |
             |    Know about a cool karaoke bar? send e-mail          |
=======================================================================
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Slips and Puns in Japanese
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:28:23 GMT

In article <1gbjhhINNno4@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:
.....
>Kimono clad hostess comes and sits down.  Pours beer.  Smiles.
>Only empty bottles for alcoholic beverages are left on the table.
>She holds up the last empty Kirin Ichiban shibori beer bottle.
>
>  "Moo sukoshi, onegaishimasu...." I say.
>  "Onaka ga, suite imasu ka?"  She asks with a slight hint of Kansai ben
>  "Iie, onaka ga, konde imasu."  I reply...
>
>Giggle giggle giggle, hand covers mouth....I've said something wrong.
>
>  "Ippai desu ka?" she corrects me.

   And you didn't react to it? Darn! You should have said,

   "Iie, san-bai mo tabemashita kara..."

   You would have been admired by Kimono hostess-san as an even more adorable
creature "Kawaii James-chan".....   

--Michiaki
Xref: sparky sci.lang.japan:4882 misc.jobs.offered:14755
From: stenhouse@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: English Teaching Job in Japan available...
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:05:08 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan


EngliPerson to teach English in Japan is wanted for 6 - 12 month contract.
Must have a university degree, but any maj
or is acceptable.
Accomodation and car supplied.

Please send or fax your CV to(and photo) to:

RC Limited
1067-8 Matsuo Villa Kakegawa
Kakegawa-shi
Shizuoka-ken 436
JAPAN

Phone +81 - 537 - 221330
Fax   +81 - 537 - 221744

Thanks in advance,

Alan Stenhouse
stenhouse@twics.co.jp
From: Screen@yggdras.cs.vt.edu (Screen Saver account)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese Outline font
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:16:39 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

Does anybody know if there is any japanese "outline font" which includes  
kanji? 


Thanks      

Yaoen Zhang 
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: citerman@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tyson Citerman)
Subject: Re: ASLEdit+
Followup-To: citerman@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:32:44 GMT


I was using ftp.uwtc.washington.edu to try and download ASLEdit-1.0a30.hqx...
The sit was posted about a week ago...But once I was able to get the remote 
file, I was denied access to actually put it on disk.  Is there some sort of
user-only access system at this site that I should know about?  Please oblige.
Also, if I am actually unable to get through at this ftp site, could someone
please give me the names of other decent Japanese word processors?   Thanks
very much in advance.  I am taking a beginning course in Japanese and plan
to continue with the studies, but I would like to somehow incorporate 
Japanese into my work with computers (or maybe just practice).  Thanks in
advance...
From: dadach@gch.ulaval.ca (Zin-Eddine Dadach)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: looking for japanese e-pal
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:15:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I would like to exchange e.mail in japanese with Japanese 
correspondants. 

My name is zin, I am a PhD student in Quebec, Canada.
  
I am especially interested in japanese history and social 
relationships.

Write me soon. Matane!

--
zin dadach
dadach@gch.ulaval.ca
From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Slips and Puns in Japanese
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:41:53 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

Just my $.02 worth.

Kimono clad hostess comes and sits down.  Pours beer.  Smiles.
Only empty bottles for alcoholic beverages are left on the table.
She holds up the last empty Kirin Ichiban shibori beer bottle.

  "Moo sukoshi, onegaishimasu...." I say.
  "Onaka ga, suite imasu ka?"  She asks with a slight hint of Kansai ben
  "Iie, onaka ga, konde imasu."  I reply...

Giggle giggle giggle, hand covers mouth....I've said something wrong.

  "Ippai desu ka?" she corrects me.

Yeah, my brain feels like a cup o' noodles. :-)

Jaa, James
=======================================================================
James C. Liu |    KARAOKE Addict!     Karaoke: You're the STAR!!!!    |
             |    Wanna go? Need someone who sings worse than you do? |
             |    Know about a cool karaoke bar? send e-mail          |
=======================================================================
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Japanese programming languages?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:48:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.202710.752@ifi.unizh.ch> mduerst@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin J. Duerst) writes:
>In article <42292@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>> [about computer languages in Japanese]
>The compiler shouldn't be a big argument with the current memory and
>everything. The parser is the only thing that is affected, and if you
>like, you can start parsing a file backwards :-).
>> It's also simpler to read the program (what if you had to
>> skip forward a page just to know the name of the function you
>> were looking at?)
>That a traditional programm is easier to read for you that are used to
>English is not by chance. But then you could argue that Japanese would be
>easier to read if the verb would appear earlier in the sentence.
>This argument may even seem obvious, but Japanese would (probably) say
>that the verb is not of much usage if you do not know what it applies to.
>> Usually, the "verb" is first, which is definately
>> non English.
>Yes, it is! Programming is giving orders to your computer, and
>imperative statements are just VO in English and OV in Japanese.
Actually, speaking from experience developing a parser for a software
package. I would think its more natural if a computer language was
written like japanese. ie) OV, rather then VO.  Since, at least when
using YACC, you end up stacking the argument list on the stack before
the "verb". Which seems thats the way things are in Japanese. Of course
without the VO order, it may make figuring out what context the arguments
were mean to be, difficult.  But then again, its not impossible nor should
it matter.

RT
From: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Searched the list of lists... question for ya all
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:18:05 GMT
Reply-To: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach)
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Originator: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu

I have DLed the list-of-lists  (200K added from the last time!  egads!)

Anyway, I was subscribed to a list called Esperanto which featured
english-esperanto text and people willing to teach the language.

Does such a list exist for English-Nihongo?

(I have enuf time to spend 1-5 hours a week, and I've had one formal 
class 2-3 years)          

If no list exists, would someone be willing to be a e-mail teacher?

Thanks.


-- 
Marc Rassbach    marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu    If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: pjyamamo@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Playing interactive GO on the Internet
Organization: Data Structures Group, C.S. Dept., U. of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec5.161907.19524@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>Several of the readers of this newsgroup as a list were recently
>discussing the possibility of playing the game of GO via e-mail.
>Someone on soc.culture.japan just posted concerning an Internet GO
>server at the University of California at Berkeley. However, I
>realized that the list subscribers who broached the subject would
>never see that post, so I am reposting the information here for those
>who may want it.  Also, after looking into the matter, I found another
>GO server in France. That will be the best alternative for our
>European (and UK) readers.

There is also InetGo, which allows you to play a game against someone
assuming you coordinate (ie, it's kind of like the talk command
except you play go instead of talking (although there is an area
to write messages too).

I haven't looked for it for a while. I suggest you try an archie
server to find a location near you.

Peter
From: burress@twics.co.jp (Tim Burress)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese programming languages?
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:13:54 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

In article <1992Dec9.035425.11613@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
> Are there any Japanese programming languages?  I.e., languages
> that use kana and kanji, and use Japanese sentence structures?

This kind of interesting to think about, but I can't help wondering if it would
be popular.  Lexically, of course, it wouldn't be much of a chore to substitute
Japanese words for the keywords in, say, C, but there really aren't that many 
of them in the first place.  Things like pointer dereferencing and, of course,
mathematical expressions, are purely symbolic -- replacing the operators with
words would get you COBOL :-)

But the "verb final" syntax that you describe is essentially RPN, isn't it?

-- 

Tim Burress                                     Internet:  burress@twics.co.jp
TWICS Co., Ltd.
1-21 Yotsuya, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 160 Japan
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese Outline font
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:37:07 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec15.152412.28517@adobe.com>, lunde@adobe.com (Ken Lunde) writes:
> Hey!
> 
> In article <3917@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Screen@yggdras.cs.vt.edu writes:
> 
>>> Does anybody know if there is any japanese "outline font" which includes
>>> kanji?
> 
> 	We (Adobe Systems) market 9 fonts which would meet your needs. They
> all include full set of kanji as specified in JIS X 0208-1983 (6,353 kanji).
> Here is a listing of the fonts:

So are there any PD outline fonts?

> -- Ken R. Lunde
>    Japanese Font Production
>    Adobe Systems Incorporated
>    lunde@mv.us.adobe.com
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mdavis@alex (m davis)
Subject: Sony Disc Reader
Organization: Trinity University, San Antonio TX, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:33:36 GMT

I recently received a flyer advertising a device from Sony that reads
multilingual books on optical 3.5" discs.  This particular flyer
offered a special deal including free Japanese Dictionaries.

My question is whether any of you have used this thing.  It sounds
very useful, but I'd like to hear from people who've tried it.  How
easy is it to use?  How fast is it?  Is it really all that convenient?

Please send e-mail, since I don't read this all that often.  If anyone
writes requesting such, I will compile and post the results.

Thanks in advance,

From the electrons of another manga lover...
*************************** "Leaving the nest and killing your parents are
*    Matthew A. Davis     *  two different things."
* (aka Prince Nematocyst) *                   -Masamune Shirou
*   mdavis@trinity.edu    *
*************************** 
        I do not speak for Trinity (or anyone else, for that matter)
From: crevier@husc8.harvard.edu (Daniel Crevier)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: MacJDict 1.0
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:16:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.crevier.724817783


	I've finally finished MacJDict.  It is the mac version of the msdos
jdict, and the xwindows xjdict by Jim Breen.  It allows you to look up
japanese/english words in 'edict', and kanji in 'kanjidic'.  The program and
the dictionary files can be found at monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (in the
pub/nihongo directory), and ftp.uwtc.washington.edu (program in the
pub/Japanese/Macintosh, dictionaries in pub/Japanese/JimBreen).  It may
take a little while for MacJDict to me moved to the right directory at each
site.

Enjoy!

Dan
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: huttar@hp750.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar)
Subject: Re: Japanese programming languages?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:10:56 GMT
	<1992Dec14.202710.752@ifi.unizh.ch> <BzADH7.EHA@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1992Dec15.082653.45652@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Organization: IEF Development, Texas Instruments Inc., Plano Texas
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at Texas Instruments Inc.
              The opinions expressed within are those of the user and not
              necessarily those of Texas Instruments.
                                                     

>>> Usually, the "verb" is first, which is definately
>>> non English.
>>Yes, it is! Programming is giving orders to your computer, and
>>imperative statements are just VO in English and OV in Japanese.
> Actually, speaking from experience developing a parser for a software
> package. I would think its more natural if a computer language was
> written like japanese. ie) OV, rather then VO.  Since, at least when
> using YACC, you end up stacking the argument list on the stack before
> the "verb". Which seems thats the way things are in Japanese. Of course
> without the VO order, it may make figuring out what context the arguments
> were mean to be, difficult.  But then again, its not impossible nor should
> it matter.

How about OOP languages like Smalltalk and C++, where the object comes
first, followed by the verb (message/method)?
Seems to me the "object" (in the programming languages sense) can
be both subject and object (in a natural language grammar sense).
In either case the verb is last... unless it takes arguments.

And what about functional languages, where the verbs (functions) aren't
imperative...  the functions have no side effects.  They're almost
more like compound noun phrases.

This is way off the subject...

Lars Huttar                          3
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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese programming languages?
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:26:52 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>>> Usually, the "verb" is first, which is definately
>>> non English.
>>Yes, it is! Programming is giving orders to your computer, and
>>imperative statements are just VO in English and OV in Japanese.
> Actually, speaking from experience developing a parser for a software
> package. I would think its more natural if a computer language was
> written like japanese. ie) OV, rather then VO.  Since, at least when
> using YACC, you end up stacking the argument list on the stack before
> the "verb". Which seems thats the way things are in Japanese. Of course
> without the VO order, it may make figuring out what context the arguments
> were mean to be, difficult.  But then again, its not impossible nor should
> it matter.
> 

This same sort of discussion occurs in comparisions of natural and
formal languages, for example, by those who would apply Tarskian truth
conditions to natural languages.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: SFLEWIS@GENVAX.COMPUTER-CENTRE.POLY-OF-WALES.AC.UK (Stuart Lewis - Dept. of Computer Studies - 44 443 482242)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Seeking post in Japan
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:19:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

   I am planning to come to Japan around July 1993 and stay until September
   1994. If you have any position you could offer me either full or part
   time  during the above period I would to pleased to receive further
   details and explore possibilities.  I can supply a full curriculum vitae
   on request. To briefly summarize, I am a senior lecturer in Computer
   Studies and my skills are in the area of computer systems, software
   engineering, various programming languages and I also have some
   experience teaching English as a foreign language. My prefered locations
   within Japan are Niigata, Kita Kyushu or Tokyo although I am prepared to
   consider others.

   Any help, advice or contacts for other possible employers will be greatly
   appreciated.

   Please contact me for further details if required.

   		Stuart Lewis
   		Computer Studies Dept.
           	University of Glamorgan
   		Pontypridd
   		Mid Glamorgan
   		CF37 1DL

   e-mail SFLEWIS@UK.AC.POW.GENVAX

   Telephone	(44+443) 480480 ext. 2242 (work)
   		(44+443) 482242 (direct line)
      		(44+222) 489189 (home)

   Thank you 
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: schung@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Stephen Chung)
Subject: Re: JWP release 1.01 and CRC
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:22:23 GMT

>I have no way to check the files here, as I don't have a DOS machine
>available.
>If anyone else has problems (or better yet, has a solution) please let me
>know so I
>can make certain that uncorrupted versions are on the server.
>
>Jon Wiederspan
>Keeper of the Files  for ftp.uwtc.washington.edu


I have been informed that using pkzip 1.1 instead of lower versions
will solve the CRC problems when unzip-ping the JWP archives.

Cheers
  Stephen
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan