From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: A victory?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:55:46 GMT

In article <7528@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.005343.21854@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>
>>	In the wake of the passage of the bill, many people here have used
>>the word "victory". As I see it, at this point it is only a victory for
>>perhaps 100,000 Chinese invividuals. Whether or not it is a victory for
>>China depends on what these people do in the future.
>
>It is a victory in many means. I truely believe many of us will serve
>our homeland in many ways. We can go back and study "political reports",
>receive the re-education from those absolutely who have no idea about the
>importance and the role of technology and sciences. We can go back to
>do the research according to Mao's theory. I would not admit these
>will be the your victory or contribution to China.
>
>Simple arguement may lead to the conclusion that we can contribute more
>to China, to Chinese people if we go back to China. But this is only
>true when you go back to China you can do some work.

Do you mean to say that the Democracy Movement is dead in China? Aren't
there lots of people still fighting there? What do you want, a red
carpet? Mao said it best, "Revolution is not tea party." If your really
believe in fighting for democracy then you wouldn't be so pessimistic
about your chances. I mean during the Long March, Mao had plenty of 
reason to give up, or go to the Soviet Union and ask for permanent
residence. There's a lot you can do in China.

>
>Historically, many scholars went back to China in the hope of serving
>their motherland in 1950's. Many were well established before they
>went back. Well, I don't need to mention what happened to them,
>presumbly you know a little about China.
>
>Now, many people will face same choice. I would be prefer to stay
>here for a while and return to China once it's politically stable.
>I would not dire to go back to waste my life and listen to the debate
>of who should be the leadership of the country, workers or peasents, be
>fear of being persecuted due to my outspoken character.

So how does that make you any different than anybody else in China?
Everyone who speaks out is persecuted. This has been true since 1949. You
never bothered to speak out before, but now that you're out of reach
you're really tough on the CCP.

>
>On the other hand, with so many Ph.D's in US, we can establish strong
>tie with China and fring "new" stuff to China which China despertely
>needs.

This is a very poor argument. There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese
Americans already here (not to mention people from all other races/nations).
What special thing do you have to offer that the rest of us can't??

>
>Also remember, in China everything is still governed by "politics".
>
>>	And some seem to be confused about who the victory was won against.
>>The tone of many of the postings makes it seem like it was the American
>>legislative system that was beaten, like it was some game to get something
>>for nothing.
>
>No! 
>This is not a game. It's battle of life and death! It's battle democracy and
>dictatorship.
>It's the victory of justice! It's a shame to mention it again here that
>our government killed so many brilliant young people. It's also a shame to
>mention that the government is still lying about the fact.
>We lost those brilliant yound lives. BTW, this is another example that
>how Chinese government care its people, care what are people thinking.
>Yet, we have not made significant progress in democratisizing China.
>But, this bill will show Chinese government that international community
>cares what happened in China.

It shows them that the Chinese in America are more interested in getting
green cards than in fighting for democracy.

>
>>        Would the people who died at the Massacre call this a victory? They
>>set you free, and you waged your campaign on principles they died for. Has
>>the victory been realized? Is China any better off due to this new law?
>
>I would not know this since they already died.

Use your imagination.

>I feel shame of myself too, because of my fear that makes me afraid
>to go back to China to follow them.
>
>They did not set us free. We were standing right behind them. 

Oh, come on! Standing right behind them????? Like 5,000 miles right 
behind.

>We
>supported them. We together were fighting for democracy. In that dark
>night, many of us cried. 

They bled to death.

>Many of us
>volunterily demonstrated against the brutual crack down. In that dark
>period of time, the fear was gone. The only thing we had was angar.
>Don't you know the domonstraions in US as well as all other countries
>right after 6.4 were largest in history.

It's easy to demonstrate when you're far away and out of reach.

>
>Do you know what did Deng said when he ordered military crack down?
>He said don't worry about the international impact, other countries will
>come back (to be friend of CG) soon or later, bussiness would be as
>usual soon.

He was right. Maybe he knew that the overseas PRC students would spend
their time getting green cards instead of mobilizing the world to put
the screws to China.

>
>Tough guy!
>
>Without international pressure, second 6.4 would be inevitable.
>With the international measure, CG has to improve itself.
>
>Y.Duan


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