From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:44:29 GMT
Reply-To: rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly)

In article <VEAL.597.726250033@utkvm1.utk.edu> VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>In article <9301041902.48@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>In article <93003.141102GUNDEVIL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Shooting Club at ASU <GUNDEVIL@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>>>In article <9212311249.09@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>>>What most people in this thread want is the right for anyone to just
>>>>>walk into Fred's Gun Store, plunk down the money, and walk out with
>>>>>the gun and ammo of choice.
>>>
>>>>Since there don't seem to be any benefits to policies other than that,
>>>>what's so unreasonable about it?
>>>
>>>Yup.
>>>
>>>>>I maintain that I wouldn't want to live in a state like that, as it
>>>>>would rapidly turn into a scenario like Beirut.
>>>
>>>  You're wrong Rick, any documentation to support the Beirut scene ?
>>
>>I'm wrong only in that everyone does not go to Fred's store and buy
>>a handgun.  Obviously, some people don't feel that they will have 
>>to shoot anyone in the forseeable future.
>
>       Under this "definition" you will never, ever have to worry.  So long 
>as one person does not go down to "Fred's" store, not "everyone" will have a 
>gun.

Except in Kennesaw(spelling?), Georgia.  But I do believe strongly in
home defense, although I believe that the best home defense weapon is
a shotgun.

>>>  You'll find plenty of evidence on this bbs supporting the armed
>>>  society in the USA as a peaceful society.  Keep reading.
>>
>>That doesn't seem to be so in the state of Florida.
>
>        We're doing OK here in East Tennessee.  I understand some of the 
>Western states are doing real well.  Looks like we have evidence on both 
>sides of the spectrum, and the only thing they would seem to agree on would 
>be that gun ownership alone is not the problem, but at bare minimum 
>operating along with something else.

Hmm.  Someone else said that it was against the law for civilians to
carry guns in Tennessee.

>>>  Rick would probably not be comfortable in Arizona.
>>>  Discounting the recent hysterical flurry of unConstitutional (both
>>>  Arizona and the Federal) laws here, fall-out from the elections; one
>>>  may purchase and carry a handgun almost anywhere in Arizona.  The
>>>  only major infringement is our 'concealed holster' regulation,
>>>  both while transporting in your vehicle, or for personal carrying.
>>
>>I have been in Arizona, and never saw anyone carrying a handgun except
>>for police officers.  I did see a lot of long guns racked on pickup
>>truck gun racks.
>
>       Come visit Knoxville.  You won't actually see people carrying 
>guns here, either.  :-)       

So you're saying that a lot of people just carry concealed weapons,
no matter what the laws say?

>>>  The only government agency involved in marksmanship and firearm
>>>  safety is the Arizona Game and Fish Department, otherwise you
>>>  take advantage of secondary and collegiate, Scout, etc. clubs
>>>  or ranges offerings.  The decision to gun-proof your kids, or be your
>>>  own best friend is purely personal, just like your First Amendment
>>>  rights.
>>
>>If a kid kills someone in Arizona with a gun do the parents take the
>>rap?
>
>       If he had it with their permission (as opposed to buying or 
>stealing it without their knowledge) I'd hope they at least get hit 
>with some sort of criminal negligence charge.        

From what I understand, the child does not have to have the parents
permission except under recently enacted laws in specific communities.
But, unless Arizona is different from other states, the parent is
responsible for his kids actions until some arbitrary age is reached.

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Rick Kelly    rmkhome!rmk@merk.com    merk!rmkhome!rmk    rmk@frog.UUCP