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From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Loopback mounts not working; why not?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:46:58 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Nov9.233057.19513@megatek.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pit-manager.mit.edu
In-reply-to: randy@megatek.com's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:30:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.233057.19513@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

     Well, actually, the generic kernel has LOFS compiled in, by
   default.  Since you, or someone else administering the machine,
   must have removed it if you aren't running the generic kernel, YOU
   are supposed to *know*... :-) Not really something that you can
   blame the Sun documentation about, although I agree with lots of
   complaints about the docs.

I am the only one who has done anything to the machine since it was
shipped to us from Sun.  The first thing I did that modified the
kernel was install Newsprint, which created a GENERIC_SMALL-ASYNCHIO
kernel.  I had assumed that if, before the Newsprint installation was
run, my machine was running a GENERIC kernel, the Newsprint
installation would have created a GENERIC-ASYNCHIO rather than a
GENERIC_SMALL-ASYNCHIO.

GENERIC_SMALL does *not* have LOFS enabled.

Therefore, either (a) Newsprint screwed me over by installing a kernel
based on GENERIC_SMALL when it should have based it on GENERIC, or (b)
you're wrong, and the machine was not shipped to me with a
LOFS-capable kernel installed.

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From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Solaris 2.x: resistance to it?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:37:49 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

I know that around Tech, we have had Solaris for some weeks now as part
of the University ScholarPack. Talking to the lady who checks out
the software, seems like no one is checking it out. I personally don't
want to move to an OS that is that different and may break all my
existing software. Not to mention a slight bias for Berzerkely.
I am wondering if this is an instance of other folks feeling the
same way and avoiding the upgrade?
From: ohnielse@oersted.ltf.dth.dk (Ole Holm Nielsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: password aging and shadowing
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:47:11 GMT
Reply-To: ohnielse@oersted.ltf.dth.dk
Organization: Lab of Applied Physics, Tech. Univ. of Denmark

Password aging works just fine under SunOS 4.1.X, PROVIDED YOU DON'T
USE NIS !!  The rpc.yppasswdd daemon has no notion of the password
aging field, but it's said to work OK in Solaris 2.X.  See my answer to
another question "yppasswdd and expire - problem".

You can also insert a password-quality trap into /bin/passwd.  Send
E-mail to "(Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)" <brossard@siisun.epfl.ch> for
details.

With best regards,

Ole H. Nielsen
Laboratory of Applied Physics, Building 307
Technical University of Denmark, DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark
E-mail: Ole.Holm.Nielsen@ltf.dth.dk
Telephone: (+45) 42 88 24 88 ext. 3187
Telefax:   (+45) 45 93 23 99
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:8171 comp.sys.hp:12807
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Mounting /usr/spool/mail from HP?
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:09:40
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
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In-reply-to: urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.221801.2738@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban) writes:
>  Suns, on the
>  other hand, depend on their interesting sticky-bit semantics for
>  security, and use a mode 777 mail spooling directory.  

What a relief to see somebody complaining about SunOS being
"peculiar", "interesting" and "different" for a change!

P.S. Yes, I am old enough to realize that both HP and Sun have their
own idiosyncranies (sp?), and that neither is more correct that the
other.  However, I am "root" for our HP machines and have been
irritated by people on the net continuously asking "why doesn't this
or that detail work like on our Suns?".
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From: ltran@netcom.com (Linh C Tran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: [HELP] How to connect an IBM PC to a Sparc 2 without using Ethernet ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:18:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


To Connectivity Gurus

OOOPS I didn't post it right before, here we go again...

I have to connect an IBM pC compatible to a Sparc 2 using NULL MODEM.  How
do I go about doing it ?  What do I have to connect to (/dev/ttya ?) and
configure on the SUN.  This will only be use for file transfer.  Do I need
a terminal emulation software on the PC as well ?

I have to set this up ASAP.  Thanx for all your help....


Linh Tran	ltran@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: bern@Uni-Trier.DE (Jochen Bern)
Subject: File Manager V3 doesn't tell you everything!
Summary: There may be Objects in a Dir not showing up in the Filemgr
Originator: bern@kleopatra
Keywords: OpenWindows Filemanager Bug
Organization: Theor. CS, FB IV / CS, Univ. of Trier, Germany (Internet TI.Uni-Trier.DE)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:53:47 GMT

Hello SUN Hackers, I wonder if anybody else has observed this:

I've been FTPing down netfind and had the File Manager (SunOS 4.1.2, OW 3.0)
AND a cmdtool cd'ed to the Target Dir. While still receiving seeddb.tar.Z, I
uncompressed and de-tared netfind3.12.tar and read the README. It said some-
thing about Files and Dirs I couldn't see in the File Manager's Pane. I did
a 'ls' in the cmdtool, and presto, here's what I saw simultaneously:

In the Filemgr:

drwxr-sr-x   4  bern   staff   512    Dec 22 1991   LWP_objs
drwxr-sr-x   5  bern   staff   512    Oct 27 16:24  LWP_res
-rw-r--r--   1  bern   staff   1743   Sep 1 21:00   Makefile
-rw-r--r--   1  bern   staff   8054   Oct 27 16:21  README
drwxr-sr-x   2  bern   staff   512    Oct 27 16:24  ServerShell
-rw-r--r--   1  bern   staff   18217  Oct 27 01:59  ToDo
-rw-r--r--   1  bern   staff   23725  Oct 27 16:21  Update.History
drwxr-sr-x   2  bern   staff   512    Oct 27 16:22  m68k
-rw-r--r--   1  bern   staff   1032192Nov 11 21:07  netfind3.12.tar
-rw-r-----   1  bern   staff   190    May 27 1990   resolv.conf.template
-rw-r--r--   1  bern   staff   863744 Nov 11 21:26  seeddb.tar.Z
drwxr-sr-x   2  bern   staff   512    Sep 6 20:41   sparc

In the cmdtool:

Doc/                  Restrictions          netfind3.12.tar
LWP_objs/             ServerShell/          resolv.conf.template
LWP_res/              ToDo                  seeddb.tar.Z
Makefile              Update.History        sparc/
README                m68k/                 src/

Now that's the THIRD Bug I've found in the Filemgr and I start getting sick
of it! (BTW, the other two are that
1) Double-Clicking on a Dir to open it may cause it to vanish (especially if
   you accidentally triple-click) [I talk of REAL DELETION!!!],
2) Jumping from a big Dir to a rather empty one having the Pane scrolled Way
   down leaves the Pane unproperly set, even Refresh doesn't do the Job.)
Any Suggestions short of installing a new SunOS Version?

Thanks,
								J. Bern

P.S.: For the Unbelieving, I made a Snapshot.
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From: roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: RE: Plotter problems
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:28:25 GMT
Organization: AECL RESEARCH

email me your /etc/printcap file and I'll take a look...
DIAGNOSTICS
     lpr: copy file is too large
          A file is determined to be  too  "large"  to  print  by

Sun Release 4.1    Last change: 28 August 1989                  3

LPR(1)                   USER COMMANDS                     LPR(1)

          copying  into  the spool area.  lpr truncates the file,
          and prints as much of it as it can.  The  maximum  file
          length  is  specified  by  the  mx  capability  of  the
          printcap(5) entry for the printer.  If no mx capability
          is  specified,  the  default limit is 1000 Kbytes.  Use
          the -s option as defined above to make a symbolic  link
          to the file instead of copying it.

could be as simple as adding mx#0: onto the end of a printcap entry


.. just a thought...
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From: philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
Subject: Host call out and give login prompt?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:57:44 GMT

Hi.

I'm not sure if this is the right newsgroup for this. If it isn't, please
tell me gently what is.

I want to make a host call my modem and give me a login prompt when it's
connected. Does anyone know how to do this? Ideally I'd like to be able to:

* Call the host from my modem, and invoke some magic command on it that
produces the following:

* When I hangup, the host calls me back (on pre-arranged number). When
the modems sync up, I get given a login prompt and can run a normal
terminal session.


So, does anyone know any programs that can do this? Is something like this
FTPable from somewhere? Please e-mail any replies -- I can't keep up with
the volume normally in this group.

Thanks in advance,
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From: v087mxgb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Shawn E Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: HELP!! how do I boot my sparc from a floppy (& make a boot disk)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


hi-ho,


I need to boot from my floppy drive. Ilearned this is sun admin
classa (2 years ago) ......


how do I prepare a floppy to be booted from (do I just copy
vmunix onto it ??)


what is the command?



TIA!!!!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: derekt@pwcs.stpaul.gov (Derek Terveer)
Subject: 4/490 mysterious hangs (4.1.1)
Organization: City of St. Paul Public Works
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:02:23 GMT

We have a 64MB (memory) 4/490 with four IPI drives that we are using as
a sybase engine.  It is starting to mysteriously hang more and more
often and i am at a loss to explain why.  The console is a wyse
terminal and there are no error messages on the console, no messages in
/usr/adm/messages* and no indications of any kind anywhere else that i
can think of looking that would explain why the machine just simply
stopped working.  Usually there are only a few people working on it,
maybe one or two running elm and news plus a couple of other smallish
programs.  Of course, the sybase server is running all the time.  The
times of the hangs appear random, i.e., during the day, during the
night, during the weekends, etc.

Does anyone have any experience with this?  Sun could only suggest
running vmstat periodically in order to try and track down memory usage
at the time of the crash and also forcing a memory dump next time it
crashes in order to see what routine it is in at the time of the
crash.

We are running 4.1.1 *without* the DBE.

derek
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From: cels@stel.csir.co.za (Chris Els)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Setting prompt to two lines
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:05:43 GMT
Organization: CSIR
NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.64.23.11
Keywords: prompt

I would like to set up the prompt in the .cshrc file (I am using the c-shell)
to display the current directory path, go to the next line, and sit and wait 
there for further instructions. The \n character does not work.

The reason is that it gives more space for long commands, especially when
the directory path is long.

Any solutions ?

Tx
C.
From: cels@stel.csir.co.za (Chris Els)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Prompt with linefeed
Keywords: Prompt C-shell Linefeed
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:13:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: stel.cels.2.721667585
Organization: CSIR
NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.64.23.11

Thanks to the following:

Rambashkar J., Ohio University Athens
Donald H. Locker (dhl@msl.com)
Alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU

I am trying out your solutions - will let you know.

:-)
C.
From: bigmac@erg.sri.com (Bryan McDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Help! Don't know root password
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:11:44 GMT
Organization: CHAOS - SRI International, Menlo Park, CA, USA

In article <1992Nov1.010242.2418@theweav.cts.com> rickf@theweav.cts.com (Rick Flower) writes:
>rogerg@bluemoon.rn.com (Roger Grywalski) writes:
>: I have just received a SUN 3/260 as a gift.  It is running SUNOS 3.5.  I
>: was not given any information regarding the root password, and have no
>: way of finding it out.  What are my options?  I do not have any boot tapes
>: so reloading the OS is not an easy solution.  Any help you could give
>: would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Well, that's an easy one!  Just go into the monitor of the machine and type
>"B" for boot and then a "-s" which SHOULD reboot the system into single
>user mode.  At that point, you should get a "#".  Then, all you need to do
>is to edit the /etc/passwd file and remove the password entry from root
>which should look similar to the following:

Umm...yes, this will work, but leaves you vulnerable to outside intrusion
since anyone can log in as root.  If your console is secure and you get
a shell instead of a passwd request after booting single user, rather then
remove the password, just go ahead an replace it with the passwd command.

Failing that, you can always move the disk to another machine and diddle it there...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.wanted,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.graphics
From: raja@bellini.berkeley.edu (Raja R. Kadiyala)
Subject: Re: ?Postscript to HP PCL converter
Keywords: Postscript,convert,HP PCL
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- Robotics Lab
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:31:23 GMT


What about going the other way??  I have a user who has a silly dos
program that only creates HP PCL.  We are using PCNFS and printing works
fine except we can only handle postscript via the sparc-printer.

Any converters to go from PCL -> PS?

Please send repsonses to raja@robotics.berkeley.edu -- I will post a summary
thanks
raja
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: NFS Performance?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:02:20 GMT

Recently I benchmarked un-accelerated NFS performance with a Sun 4XX
series machine and got the following *approximate* numbers (just useful
for comparison):

Operation	Local		NFS
---------	-----------	---------
Write		3300 Kb/sec	  80 Kb/sec
Read		6500 Kb/sec	6400 Kb/sec

Given the same parameters (RAM, kernel config, etc), can I expect a
Legato board to give me *significantly* higher performance than what
naked NFS gives me?  How about an Auspex?  Would a raid box negatively
affect NFS performance (reads or writes)?

Thanks,

Frank G.
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From: fontana@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Fontana)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: HELP: SCSI - Initiator AND Target
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:11:50 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

I come back with the same question I posted a few days ago:

     Does the SCSI driver of the SUNs implement the full SCSI
     protocol (including the ability to act alternatively as
     an initiator and as a target) ?

If you have worked with Asynchronous Event Notification (AEN), you
have most probably looked into it (the target becomes the initiator
to send the data to the master, as they arrive).

So far, I got two opposite answers:

According to cummings@falcon.natinst.com, the SUN driver CANNOT be
used as a target.

According to root@di.epfl.ch,
> Le premier avis que je t'ai donne via l'intermediaire de Sun etait
> faux. Apres de plus ample recherche, il s'avere que c'est possible.
> Sun suivant totalement la norme SCSI. De plus les gens de chez Sun
> ont vu passes des news la dessus. Il y a eu entre autre des essais
> de relier deux stations via le bus SCSI. Helas, ils n'ont pas stocke
> l'information, mais ces news ont passe soit sur la conference 
> comp.sys.sun.hardware ou comp.sys.sun.misc. En posant la question sur
> celle-ci, il y a de forte chance que tu ailles une reponses.

(After further investigations, it looks like it is possible, as SUN
 fully implements the SCSI norm. People from SUN read news about it,
 but did not store them...)

     If you remember about those news, please mail me or re-post them.

I need to get an answer, as it would be very interesting to use this
feature, if it is available.


Thank's for mailing me your answers, I'll post a summary of them.

Pierre Fontana

E-MAIL: fontana@disuns2.epfl.ch  or  fontana@eldi.epfl.ch
From: cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: avoiding Solaris
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:22:50 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu


After a one-month port of a simulator to the Solaris 2.0 environment,
we are seriously thinking of avoiding Solaris altogether. When you
carefully look at what can be achieved in-house when vendors don't
change out platforms from under the customer (e.g. more real work)
vs. when they do (e.g. catch-up make-work), it is very easy to 
conclude that stepping into the Solaris 2.0 platform could waste
up to a man-year of one staff member's time doing porting, conversions,
learning System V unix, and so forth.

For most environments in which Sun OS 4.1.2/4.1.3 is currently running,
System V is a poor replacement, with or without a compatibility package.
These customers typically do not want a shrink-wrap capable system and
are more interested in the Berkeley environment. When they find that
System V, Release 4 requires rewriting hundreds of their shell scripts
originally written under 4.1.X, even more additional conversion time
must be budgeted.

The hypothesis offered is that Solaris 2.0 (quite apart from the
abysmal performance issues of the initial 2.0 release and the
SparcCompiler C/Linker -- resulting in seven-fold slowdowns in 
engineer linking of large executables (~20mb)) is not cost-effective
for most sites that do not build shrink-wrapped software for an open
marketplace. The majority of SUN users appear to be engineers trying
to get real work done not related to a specific software product
that will eventually run on a Sparc platform. The vocal minority
of those who are working on Sparc-products must be dancing with glee
over the force-feeding of Solaris 2.0/2.1 to the rest of us.

And, although the maintenance of 4.1.X will gradually be eclipsed
by maintenance of Solaris (e.g. more telephone support, trained
staff at Sun, etc.) it is unlikely this will occur at all soon.
There will always remain a large group of SUN users who feel Berkeley
Unix were the last "good" days. 

And the truly wise will set aside a machine or two to run Solaris on
for 1-2 years before effecting any major change at their site.

Stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: joerg@iiasa.ac.at (Joerg  MESSER)
Subject: Strange MOTD
Organization: IIASA, Laxenburg, Austria
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:15:01 GMT

  I recently found the following strangeness in the /etc/motd
file on one of our machines. Does anyone know it all means?
  

    Last login: Wed Nov 11 08:14:39 on console
    SunOS Release 4.1.2 (GENERIC) #2: Wed Oct 23 10:52:58 PDT 1991
    /dev/sd3d /usr 4.2 rw,dev=071b 1 2
    /dev/sd3h /p1sds 4.2 rw,dev=071f 1 3
    /dev/sd1e /var 4.2 rw,dev=070c 1 3
    /dev/sd1f /u1sds 4.2 rw,dev=070d 1 4
    /dev/sd1h /u2sds 4.2 rw,dev=070f 1 5



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: Steve.Johnson@math.tamu.edu (Steve Johnson)
Subject: Re: Strange MOTD
Keywords: MOTD
Reply-To: Steve.Johnson@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:56:22 GMT

In article 721484101@iiasa, joerg@iiasa.ac.at (Joerg  MESSER) writes:
>  I recently found the following strangeness in the /etc/motd
>file on one of our machines. Does anyone know it all means?
> [contents of motd deleted]

Perhaps, on a related note: has anyone noticed that /etc/rc.local does
a 'chmod 666 /etc/motd'?  Nice move, Sun.  I definitely want joe_random_user
to write funny little login messages on motd....

- Steve Johnson, Systems Manager, Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
  Steve.Johnson@math.tamu.edu
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:35:12 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Sun is going after the MIS market and probably couldn't care
>less what several thousand engineers, scientists and assorted techies
>think.

I also suspect fewer "engineers, scientists, and assorted techies" than
some folks think actually care that much about BSD vs. SV; I suspect
many "engineers, scientists, and assorted techies" outside the UNIX
community would be just as happy running, say, Windows NT, as long as
the particular technical applications they wanted to run were available
under NT on the platform in question.

(I.e., don't confuse the hardcore UNIX weenie community with the
technical community in general.)

(Yes, I'm sure you can dig up *individual* exceptions.  Please don't
bother doing so, unless you can dig up *enough* individual exceptions to
show that the bulk of the technical community is truly in love with a
more BSDish UNIX, or even with UNIX in general.)
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