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From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:33:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.121113.15796@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul26.212559.1@engr> s_mesbah@engr writes:
>|> >heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
>|> >control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
>|> >would drive me nuts!  Just curious
>
>C'mon, Stephane, lighten up.  I suspect that Mr. "Just Curious" suffers
>mainly from a condition you no doubt never had to endure -- immaturity.
>His only "crime" here was a bad choice of words (IMHO).  I imagine he was

C'mon, Mike, wake up.  What Mr. Just Curious was suggesting in the posting
was rape.  Judging from the general reactions, I am not the only one to
read it that way.  If that isn't what "Curious" meant then I have no way
of knowing it.

As to treatement, I am quite serious.  Some individuals cannot control their
sexual desires and as a result either rape or molest others.  The treatement
is usually either psychological or drug therapy depending on the cause.

Finally, Mike, if you don't like what I post, there is a simple solution.
Don't read it.

Stephane

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: grs@sacs.com (Gregg Siegfried)
Subject: CO on Long Island
Organization: None
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:34:59 GMT
Followup-To: poster

This is probably an oft-asked question, but the answer wasn't
in the spool here.

I'll be heading to LI (Peconic, actually) in a week or so, and
have not spent much time on Long Island previously.

Are there CO beaches/recreational areas available, and where might
I find them?

Email if possible..

Thanks,
Gregg Siegfried
grs@sacs.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Age: The Naked Truth
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:25:15 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus
Keywords: none

In article <1992Jul30.125149.18132@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>
>subject that may already have been discussed.  Most posters are
>probably younger than I am, and I wonder:  What is the age
>spread at CO beaches and clubs?  Are we old-timers represented
>in any numbers?
>
>Mike Lynch

Yes.  Plenty of old and young at most CO beaches and clubs that I've been to!
I'm less sure about other posters to rec.nude.  Being 30, I guess that I fall
into the "younger-than-average" category :)

And Im sure you'll enjooy your first CO experience;  bear in mind (bad pun!)
that it's not your body that people will be interested in, but rather who
you *are* as a human being.  Too bad this isn't the case everywhere.  
________________
Djelrik Solis
From: eexmsj@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.S.Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nude swimming question
Keywords: penis, catfish, Mt. Roraima
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:56:25 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1992Jul29.185328.26298@alw.nih.gov> pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:
>
>In rec.nude, jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>
>>I was at the lake recently (bible belt south carolina must wear swim
>>suit lake) and there were a whole lot of fish in this lake coming up
>>nipping at me and at all the other people.  Nothing bad, just some brim
>>nipping.  Anyway... I have never been to a nude beach or camp or such
>>and the thought occurred to me.  If I were to swim nude in this lake I
>>might find it rather discomforting if some of the bigger fish mistake my
>>worm for a worm and go at it.  Anyone ever have a problem with this?  Do
>>choose a lake that is low on nipping fish or what?  Is there something
>>analogous to the "Bat Shark Repelent" to use?
>>
>>Jim
>
>H.McInness, a climber from Scotland, wrote a book describing his ascent to
>Mt.Roraima (in Venezuela?) (This mountain plateau country called tepui
>served as a prototype for Conan Doyle's Lost World).
>
>Among ather funny things, he describes a small catfish called vandella
>(sp??) which is allegedly attracted by a smell of urine. He claims that the
>fish enters genitalia channels and can't go away anymore.
>
>Did anybody have a correct reference?
>Can anybody comment?
>
Going from memory here so I'm not sure what the fish is called but it sounds
the same. In The SAS Survival Handbook by John 'Lofty' Wiseman he mentions a
fish that lives in tropical countries which can swim up the urine whilst one
is having a pee and it has spines on its back which get caught and prevent it
from going in reverse once in situ!!!! Sounds painful.
Martin
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Easy Access To Black Beach
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:02:49 GMT
Organization: Intstitute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <29626@ursa.UUCP> millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman) writes:
>Well the conversation is now moot.  Even thought we will be going to 
>SD, she feels "too Ugly" to go to any beach.  Oh well.  Maybe next
>time (with the Kid :-)

Too bad. Some of the most naturally beautiful people I have seen were
pregnant nudists.  Many years ago I was talking with a couple of young
sailors on Blacks Beach and a woman walked by that they said was cute
but they thought she was fat.  I explained that she was pregnant and their
mouths dropped open as they stared.  The stare was a good one of amazement
and awakening.  These boys were about 18 years old and had never seen a
pregnant woman before.  The nude beach scene had just opened their eyes to
something new.  I thought it was great.

Tom

p.s. Phillip, I tried to send you email and got it kicked back.  I will try
again and you should get it by July 27.  If you don't send me email with
some addresses I can try.  Let me know if you need more info on San Diego.

-- 
	Thomas Earl Middleton
	middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu
	aka Happy Bare
From: peggy.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: CO Recreation in Tennessee
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:33:34 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

We strongly recommend ROckhaven in Murfreesboro (nearer to
Nashville than Knoxville) and a club near Crossville
(nearer to Knoxville than Nashville). People and ambiance
are nice. If you want to drive, go to Dawsonville,GA
which is 60 miles or so northeast of Atlantanear Lake Lanier.
peggy
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: EXHIBITIONIST VS NATURIST
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:46:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh



EXHIBITIONIST VS NATURIST:

I saw this game last night.  After 9 innings, it was Naturists 4,
Exhibitionists 0.  Or maybe that was the Cardinals vs the Pirates.

It's so hard to tell.

In article <15340.2A791E9E@zeus.ieee.org>, Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens) writes:
> Got a problem that I would like your opinions on....when does naturiism
> become exhibitionism

Guys/Gals I really have to ask:  What does this have to do with rec.nude?
Wouldn't this be better addressed in alt.sex or soc.men?  Where are all of
these postings coming from lately?  Is there somebody in alt.sex saying
"Hey, take it to rec.nude" or something?  Are they conspiring in alt.conspiracy
to pull our collective legs? ;-)

All of this is enough to make me send a "Hot Tub/What Chemicals Should I use"
posting!

Remember: I gave fair warning!

Terry
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From: s884764@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash])
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Lingerie Modeling - clarification?
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:04:35 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

In article <3731@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
> In article <817@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
> > Hello netters,
> > [yet another sex question deleted]
> 
> Has somebody changed the charter for this group and not told me? ;-)

Thanks for that Terry :-) I was trying to think of a way to say it
succinctly, and gave up :)

Grant
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Playalinda Beach to open following launch of Atlantis [Release 103-92/KSC] (Forwarded (twice!))
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Distribution: fl
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:20:17 GMT

from sci.space.news
article <1992Jul29.192422.12436@news.arc.nasa.gov>
>From: yee@trident.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee)
>
>          Bruce Buckingham                               July 29, 1992
>          (407) 867-2468
>
>          KSC Release No. 103 - 92
>
>
>          PLAYALINDA BEACH TO OPEN FOLLOWING LAUNCH OF ATLANTIS
>
>
>               Playalinda Beach will be reopened to visitors as of sunrise
>          the day following the launch of the Space Shuttle Atlantis on
>          mission STS-46. Launch is currently scheduled for 9:56 a.m.
>          Friday, July 31 from pad 39B. If launch occurs as scheduled,
>          Playalinda Beach will be open to visitors Saturday morning.
>
>               The beach is closed whenever an orbiter is at NASA's
>          northern-most pad. Once the vehicle is gone, the southern part of
>          the Canaveral National Seashore will reopen and begin operating at
>          normal hours.
>
>               Beach goers who plan to visit Playalinda Beach around this
>          time should call the Canaveral National Seashore office at (407)
>          267-1110 for additional information on any changes.
>
>               Other Canaveral National Seashore beaches such as Apollo
>          Beach remain open. They may be reached through the north beach
>          entrance, located south of New Smyrna Beach.


-- john
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: A survey
From: mborgerding@desire.wright.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:20:14 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <84197@netnews.upenn.edu>, stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.191632.3053@desire.wright.edu> mborgerding@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>TWIMC,
>>	I was wondering a few things about the *average* person's sex life.
>>Please take the time to fill out this survey, please try to be truthful.
>>I will post (anonymously) some statistics/responses.
>>
> 
> [Extensive Sex Survey deleted]
> 
> Zounds, we've had the Nudity != Sex (not equal for 'C' weenies like
> myself) discussion here before.  The posting of this survey to this
> newsgroup shows us we have a lot of work to do to get this message
> across.
> 
When I posted the survey to this newsgroup, it was not my intention to offend.
If I have unwittingly done so, please accept my apologies.  I have CANCELed the
post from rec.nude.  It no longer is displayed on my system (and I assume other
systems as well).  The only reason I posted this here in the first place was
because I thought that rec.nude might not get offended by a few questions. 
I have known several nudists and have even been to a clothing optional beach
once (believe it or not).  In short, I'm writing this to let you know that I
know that nudists are not all sex maniacs.  Some are even celibate.
					Humblest apologies,
					Mark Borgerding
PS. Can you stop flaming me now, please?
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: The Topfree States
Keywords: NY Court Ruling Footnotes
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:00:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>Anyways, the point of my posting was to show those states
>that (at least) allowed topfree.

It should also be noted that other jurisdictions may be applied.  County
and city ordinances may come into play.  In San Diego it is a city ordinance
you are breaking if you are nude on a city beach, not a state law.  I am sure
there are some cities and counties which have never dealt with the issue.

I do not know how topfreeness is dealt with by the city.  Perhaps a test case
would pit the state regulations against city rules.  Then the question would
be does the state law explicitly make being topfree legal, preventing local
governments to make ordinances against it.  OR, does the state law merely
avoid making topfreeness illegal and thus leave the door open for local
governments to make it illegal.  Another possibility is that the state might
say topfree is not lewd or indecent but still allow local governments to
outlaw it on other grounds.

Anyway, thanks Robert for getting us started on this issue.  I am curious
how the soc.women feel about the topfree issue (but I do stay out of that
group).

-- 
	Thomas Earl Middleton
	middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu
	aka Happy Bare
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:40:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul29.121113.15796@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul26.212559.1@engr> s_mesbah@engr writes:
>|> >Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
>|> >sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
>|> >heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
>|> >control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
>|> >would drive me nuts!  Just curious
....................
>
>C'mon, Stephane, lighten up.  I suspect that Mr. "Just Curious" suffers
>mainly from a condition you no doubt never had to endure -- immaturity.
>His only "crime" here was a bad choice of words (IMHO).  I imagine he was
......

  
Also I think many people have a misconception of what a nude beach is like.
Can't say what they imagine but it might be lot's of beautiful panting
members of the opposite sex just dying to get it on. The reality is a
lot different of course. I've heard people say they were bored after an
hour or so at a nude beach. Most people wouldn't think beforehand that
that would be the case.
  
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Kegel)
Subject: Re: nude swimming question
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:55:49 GMT

jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>I was at the lake recently (bible belt south carolina must wear swim
>suit lake) and there were a whole lot of fish in this lake coming up
>nipping at me and at all the other people.  Nothing bad, just some brim
>nipping.  Anyway... I have never been to a nude beach or camp or such
>and the thought occurred to me.  If I were to swim nude in this lake I
>might find it rather discomforting if some of the bigger fish mistake my
>worm for a worm and go at it.  Anyone ever have a problem with this?  Do
>choose a lake that is low on nipping fish or what?  Is there something
>analogous to the "Bat Shark Repelent" to use?
>Jim

There's a firsthand account of something similar in "Into the Heart of Borneo",
a great account of two fellows' insane trip to Borneo.   
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.212559.1@engr> s_mesbah@engr writes:
>Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
>sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
>heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
>control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
>would drive me nuts!  Just curious

Your question demonstrates one of the main problems of our society. Namely
that men "have no control over their sexual urges".  It is a sickening
excuse which I have often heard for everything including rape. 
Men are rational, thinking humans and like women, can control their sexual
urges.  Sexual drive is NOT an acceptable reason for men to selfishly do
what they want.  Many laws were made by men to control women because they
claim men can't control themselves.  How can you take freedom away from
someone because another insists on thinking with his hormones instead of
his brain?

If you can't control yourself, please seek professional help.  This is
not a normal condition.  You need either physiological or psychological
treatements.

Stephane

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: braun@dri.com (Kral)
Subject: Re: Raising children in CO environment
Organization: Digital Research Inc
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:02:38 GMT

In article <ge55457@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>Right on Tom and at least at a nudist resort you can tell if some guy gets
>and erection when around the children.  Based on an informal survey (I
>asked a lot of the women I know) it seems to me that at least 50% of the
>females in the country had been molested as a child, mostly by uncles,
>cousins and such.

I'd just like to point out that:

1)	Women aren't the only sex being molested as children.

2)	Men are not the only adults molesting children.

We now return you to your regular net.nude.


-- 
kral   408/647-6112                                                braun@dri.com
Network Scapegoat in Training                                      NOVELL/DSG
That's the whole problem with science.  You've got a bunch of empiricists 
trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder." - Calvin
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: elogan@dbaix.oc.com (Ernie Logan)
Subject: Re: EXHIBITIONIST VS NATURIST
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:14:15 GMT

glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin) writes:
>In article <15339.2A791E9D@zeus.ieee.org>, Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens) writes:
>|> My question is do you naturists consider one naked female with 7 nude  
>|> men an exhibitionist?????  
>Tom -
>Exhibitionism is deriving (possibly sexual) pleasure by shocking/
>tittilating others via behaving/dressing in an unusual manner. It
>is an *intent* thing. One woman nude with 100 nude men is not
>necessarily exhibitionism. You didn't say anything about why she
>was there (ie. what her intent was). 
>Also, nudity at a nude event is not unusual.
>Nope, I think the other woman should have joined in, too.

Glen:
Well said. You saved me the time in finding the right phrases. Also, I think
TOM is looking for justification for his jealousy.... :(
---
Ernie Logan
SWSA (ASA Regional) Vice President
elogan@oc.com
-- 
---
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: nudism in Utah
Keywords: nudism
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.193619.18887@unislc.uucp> kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes:
>After all this publicity of New York going top-free, I started hearing 
>some interesting tid bits from the Utah natives.
>I, being from Pa., didn't know all the "hot spots" in Utah.  They are only
>advertised in the Newspaper under Entertainment Services.
>So, get ready, - I've never been to the totally nude places.  So I
>cannot give any opinions on the shows.  The Million Dollar Saloon is
>a private club with "the clothed variety" strippers.  That's a fun
>place. - Also the only one I've been to.

Well, discussing strip-shows isn't exactly (or remotely) the purpose of
rec.nude, but I'm always a bit surprised at the thought of "clothed"
strippers.  Here in Vancouver (and the surrounding suburbs) there are
dozens of bars that have strippers.  Almost all of them are free admission;
all of them serve booze; virtually all the women are naked (unless you
count jewelery) by the time they leave the stage.  (I understand the male
strippers don't *quite* get naked.)  This situation has been unchanged for
at least the last decade.

Of course, Hard Copy (trash TV) called Vancouver "Sin city" because of the
abundance of nude entertainment, so perhaps I've led a sheltered
(or "unsheltered" might be more appropriate) life by growing up here.

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>And there is a nude beach.
>If anyone is interested in skinny dipping in the Great Salt Lake, there is
>a nude beach called "bare-ass beach"
>
>So, Utah isn't that down on nudity.  Just on advertising it.

If this is the same beach listed in the World Guide to Nude Beaches &
Recreation, you might want to know that the Guide implies that you can
be arrested for being nude there.  It says that the white (always white)
patrol cars can be seen at a good distance and you should get dressed
when you see them approaching.

The description of the beach in the World Guide doesn't exactly impress
me, so please do post a description of your experience there.

Cheers. Bill.

-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Subject: Re: The Topfree States
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 04:47:33 GMT



I'll be moving to Indiana (Purdue) in about 3 1/2 weeks to do 
my Ph.D, so...

What about Indiana?  Is it legal for women to be top-free in 
Indiana?  Is it legal to be nude in Indiana?  Of course, 
whether it's legal or not, I will do it anyway.

>	Indecency statute prohibits exposure of genitals only:
>
>		California

I think nude is legal in CA.

>		Kentucky

As far as I know, nude is legal in KY.

>		Texas

I could be wrong, but nude is legal in TX.


*Pooh Bare
-- 
fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Re: 'Selling' nudism
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:31:35 GMT

dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
>quoting middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager):
>|A group in Florida did this very effectively recently.  For National Nude
>|Weekend they had a clothing drive for the needy.  The hook was "shed your
>|clothes to provide clothing for those in need" and it made it to at least
>|one San Diego t.v. news show.

I believe the drive at the open house at Cypress Cove was sponsored
by the A.S.A.

>The report was presented professionaly and without the typical snickering
>like the local newsheads.

Well, almost everyone I saw pretty much snickered when they came upon it :-)

-- john
From: Jim.Howard@f25.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Kansas city nudists
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:46:00 GMT


 -=> Quoting -unknown- to All <=-

 -u>
 -u> Hi!  I need to find out if there are nudist groups in the Kansas City
 -u> area. If anyone have any information regarding this PLEASE send it to
 -u> me.
 -u> thanks

  A number of users of my BBS (Howard's Notebook) have attempted to
  locate a nudist group in the Kansas City area. There does not
  appear to be one. (I know a group is listed in many nudist publications
  as in Grandview. No one has been able to make contact with them however.)
  There is Praire Haven out in Kansas. Think it is an hour or two away
  from the KC area.


    Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


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