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From: James.McNalley@f47.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (James McNalley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP48S graphics
Date: 25 Sep 92 02:25:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.717905798.F00002


        I have an HP 48S (not SX) and have been trying to do some
fractal programming on it.  At first I was very excited because it has
built in complex numbers, but PIXON doesn't seem to like complex
numbers.  Then I found out (well, it seems that this is true) that you
can't light up pixels while in the GRAPH mode, you have to draw it and
THEN see it.
        I saw the book about the HP 48 GRAPHICS, but am not sure if I
need to spend $20 to get stuff that SHOULD have been in the manual.
That is another thing.  The manual is so huge, but HP wants you to get a
seperate one for programming details, and devotes a really tiny area to
graphics programming.  I bought this so I could write fractal programs
and watch them go with out having to be at my computer!  Another thing
is that I was drawing something that repeated this
x
y
PIXON
and some other stuff for each pixel, and after a few minutes it asked me
if I wanted to purge a bunch of stuff because I had used up all the
memory!  It has a monochrome screen, and 141 64 * 9024 = (141*64=9024
for you non RPN people) so it only REALLY needs 9K of memory and I
usuially keep 28K free, WHAT IS WRONG???  IS THERE A GOOD BOOK I CAN GET
THAT WILL HELP ME?
        I paid $170 and HP wasn't even kind enuf to give me complete
manuals!  $!$#  I thought it was only Borland and Microsoft that charged
you for the product, but sold the 'important' manuals seperately.


                        James McNalley

PS:  Don't get me wrong, I really like this machine, but for $170 I
expect a little more.  Don't you?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 21:16:19 -0400 
From: "Demian A. Johnston" <daj+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Weird Experience with Libraries

Okay,
    Had a 48sx in 1990 stolen in 1991, bought a new one used (You guys
will love this) here on campus for $125 [Do I get a prize for least
expensive HP48sx] and I got my cable

    I get the Ant Library, SCHIP, binch of Chip games.  I have a nice
little CST menu and realize I have SChip in both my CHip8 directory and
the Ant Library.

My CST was like follows { { ProgName \<< ProgName SCHIP \>> } .... }

But when I executed a CST Menu item  I got:

    2: "chip string"
    1: 'SCHIP'
Huh?
So I ReMade by CST list by creating the \<< ProgName SCHIP \>> by going
through the Library menu.

The CST list looked the same but now it works...


Whats going on here?

                                                  Demian 
                                              --->  daj+@cmu.edu
                                            ----> dj1l@andrew.cmu.edu


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From: crenner@hubcap.clemson.edu (Chuck Renner)
Subject: Re: .Z extensions
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:17:57 GMT

> 
> Downloaded lotsa neat stuff via FTP from seq.uncwil.edu.  They are compressed,
> with a .Z extension.  What utility do I need to "un - Z" these files?  Where
> might I get a copy (simtel, etc)?
> 
> Thanks much in advance for any HELP!
> 
Use the UNIX command:

	uncompress <filename>


The <filename> can be with or without the .Z extension, and the command
accepts wildcards, ie., "*" or "?".


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From: dlh34340@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis L. Huang)
Subject: FOR SALE: HP48SX
Summary: HP48SX
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:52:37 GMT
Keywords: HP48SX

I have the following HP48SX items for sale.
 
     1. HP48SX calculator (ROM ver. E) ............ $225
     2. HP Solve Equation Library card ............ $ 70
     3. HP48SX to Macintosh serial cable .......... $ 20
     4. HP48SX Programmer's Reference Manual ...... $ 15
 
I would like to sell everything together for $330. If you don't want everything
or think I am asking for too much $$, contact me and I will consider selling
them separately and/or for less $$. Everything is in great condition with 
all the original packaging available. Thanks.
 
Home Phone: 332-4156
E-mail: dlh34340@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: curtiws@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: 1 MEG Ramcard!?
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:42:31 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Sep30.165817.2832@wkuvx1.bitnet>, curtiws@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> Hi all,
>     This may be a premature question because i didnt actually see it
> myself,but a buddy of mine said that he got the new service
> merchandise catalog yesterday and there was not only a 512k ramcard
> but therer was also a 1 meg ramcard.Is this true?the reason i ask is
> because i hadnt heard such a large card mentioned on this group.he
> might have been getting his facts crossed but he seemed quite sure
> that thats what it said.
> 
> Just Checking,
>    Scott
> 


Well i guess my buddy is an idiot,
    I suspected that he was talking about hp95 ram cards but he seemed
so insistent i guess he won me over!.
  Thanks for all the informative replys


Ya cant win em all.



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From: dxs3726@hertz.njit.edu (Double)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: printing to parallel printer
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:06:29 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.



Hi,
I have seen a program that allows graphs on the HP-48 to
be printed on a parallel printer.  As luck would have it, I
have no idea where it was.  If anyone has a program
like this or knows of one please send it to me.

I assume that the graph has to be converted to a GROB,
then sent over the serial cable my IMB.  From there,
it would have to be sent to the printer (type file >prn).
Etc, Etc, Etc ....


Thanx in advance,
Dave Stone
dxs3726@hertz.njit.edu

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 23:24:59 CDT
From: Viscouse P'pello <U50879@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Wiring

     Awhile back some kind soul posted a wiring diagram that aided in building
your very own serial cable.  i.e.: does anyone out there know what four hp
pins go to what pins on the computer cable end?

                                               Thanky in advance,
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From: alfaroja@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: 512K ram card
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:36:00 GMT

to get it, or how to make one...thanx....
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

alfaroja@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: bbs-firefly@jwt.UUCP (John Dooley)
Subject: Programs
Reply-To: bbs-firefly@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:13:00 GMT

I'd like to thank everyone who sent me e-mail or posted a message to the 
base concerning the HP 48 and airport security.  I've been wary of 
things like that ever since Pioneer came out with their commercials for 
their stereo with a detachable face.  I regret I couldn't thank everyone 
in e-mail, since I only have limited time on this system.
 
I do have a couple more questions that I've been wondering about.
 
1. Does anyone have any recommendations on RAM cards for the HP 
(manufacturer, retailer, price, etc.)?
 
2. How can I get programs for the HP?  Are there any mail servers?
 
3. If a FAQ exists for the group, can someone send it too me?
 
Thanks in advance.
From: Uwe_Kuechler@f.maus.de (Uwe Kuechler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: log
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 11:06:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.13

m>Name: marc.a.levy
m>MId : <1992Sep23.121328.11062@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
m>
m>How would you do:
m>
m>  Log  X
m>     a

Hello, Marc!

It is: LN(X) / LN(a).
I put this one ( << SWAP LN SWAP LN / >> ) on the user keyboard. For this
little program X must be entered first.

Ciao!
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From: byers@cl2.cl.uh.edu (Unbeliever)
Subject: I'm confused...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Reply-To: byers@cl.uh.edu
Organization: The Land
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:01:00 GMT

OK.  I've seen several HP48 program listings now, which are basically blocks
of numbers, with a filename of "program.ASC".  There's generally a "hp%%"
somewhere near the beginning as well.  Would somebody please explain to me how
to translate this block of numbers into a runnable hp48 program?  Sorry if this
has already been asked 1000 times...  Thanks for any help...


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From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Deleting Libraries
Message-ID: <2acb56fc.1812.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

What's the [MEM] for in the theis posting?  To purge a library, try:

xxxx DUP DETACH PURGE

where xxxx is the library number (in your case, 1700).  That should work
From: hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Deleting Libraries
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:10:37 GMT

blair@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Marc E Blair) writes:

>In article <BvE6KI.4B5@cs.dal.ca> sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet) writes:
>>I would like
>>to delete them, but when I follow the instructions in the book I get an
>>error message 'Object in Use'.

>This is a guess, but is it possible that the libraries are somehow "in use"
>by the LASTARG or LASTSTACK feature?  Anyone? I've always deleted libraries
>by using :0:1023 detach then :0:1023 purge, and i seem to remember getting
>a couple "Object in use" errors until I repeated the commands a couple times.
>when a successful delete took place, the screen garbled for a sec and then 
>it was gone.  Does anyone else have a hunch at to what is going on?

To delete a library you have to be in {HOME}.
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From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: System RPL Questions
Keywords: RPL Help
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:40:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2ad1bf81.1831.4comp.sys.hp48.1

To continue this discussion on TakeOver:

From Mike Heiskanen's decompilation of DoKeyOb, it appears that if a
Secondary is not "TakeOvered", it will not work as a key definition in
the ParOuterLoop.  I have tried a couple of things in the past, and this
does not seem to be true.  I have been lead to believe that the TakeOver
test is only applied if the command line is active.  Is this true, Mike
(or anyone)?

I have been using TakeOver in all my key definitons in sys_RPL but I
don't know if this is necessary.  Because of this ignorance, I just
figured I'd put it in just in case.  It doesn't hurt anything, but it
does eat up some memory.

With Mike Heiskanen's clues, I'll see what I can find out but any help
would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bill Levenson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai)
Subject: Coupon Book Request
Originator: lai@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:02:23 GMT

Can someone email me the number to call for a coupon book?  Like many others, I
bought mine before the promotional period.

Thanks,

William Lai
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From: jmarkb@cs.arizona.edu (John M. Boyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Getting out of infinite OFF
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:37:22 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

For those of you who do not know how to get out of the program

<< WHILE 1 REPEAT OFF END >>

Here's my solution:
  Press ON. Simultaneously press the right and left shift keys while
continuing to press ON. Let go of the ON. The screen should come up.
While still pressing the right and left shift keys, press ON and C.
Then let go of everything. This will do the trick.

Mark
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:35:21 EDT
From: <RXC119@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: hp48s connection to ibm

Hi, I am a student at Penn State using an IBM ps/2 Model70 386 connected to a
network.  I am having trouble hooking up my brand new cable from hp to this ibm
  My first problem occurred when i unplugged the network cable from lpt1 and
found out that it was a female connection on the back of the pc..the hp cable
is also female.  So therefore I figured that I needed a 9-pin gender changer.
I ordered one and hooked it up and i tried to download the program fm.lib from
my 'Back-to-School' disk from hp and the calculator didn't respond at all.  I
did follow the directions in setting the appropriate i/o parameters on both
the kermit software and the hp...I would appreciate if someonel could provide
me with some help

                      send replys by e-mail
                                           thanks
                                                 bob
From: mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Exact Answers
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:46:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Is there any way to get EXACT answers from trig functions on
the HP48?  


EXACT: Answers in fractional form, and PI

Marc.
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: About 512Kb, 128Kb, and xxxKb cards, and a question
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:57:17 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <0&#@byu.edu> dougc@bert.cs.byu.edu (Douglas R. Cannon) writes:
>Hi.
>
>------------------------------------
>Now, here's what I don't understand:
>
>I am not sure of what card Smith Corona makes, but here is what I think I know.
>There is a 256Kb card, right?
>Does anyone know if this acts physically like two 128Kb cards?
>(i.e., port 1 is at #80000h, port 2 is at #C0000h, and the built-in RAM is
>at #70000h, then reconfigured to #F0000h to access the hidden ROM?)


128k requires 17 bits of address lines, which is probably all the 48 puts
out as address lines in each port.

256k needs 18 bits, and 512k needs 19 bits etc. Since only 17 bits are used,
only 128k can be used at once. The bank switching software would have to toggle
the extra address lines on the card, by directly setting them.

So the 256k and bigger cards are just 128k cards, with extra inputs to select
different banks.

                                  ____________
    \_____________________________|          |
                                  |  RAM     |
      17 Address lines from CPU   |          |
    \_____________________________|__________|
                                     ||||||
    \________________________________||
    \_________________________________|
      Extra lines for bank switching, controlled by IO ports

As far as the card is concerned, it just sees 18, or 19 address inputs,
but actually only 17 are from the Saturn address bus. The bank switching
is probably controlled by IO ports.
>
>There is a 512Kb card, right?
>Well, for the life of me, I can't figure this one out.
>Is there anyone who is using a 512Kb RAM card in their HP48 right now?
>Does anyone have any idea how this is done?
>Are there entire 128Kb segments that are switched in and out, and you can only
>address 256Kb of RAM at once?

128k at once max. As far as I know, the addresses are split into 128k per slot.
I doubt if there is a setting to give 256k into one port (although it
would be trivial)
>
>
>Doug Cannon


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From: enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Regressions
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:52:30 GMT

Alex J Peachey <n9244414@henson.cc.wwu.edu> writes:
|
|   I have both a TI-81 and an HP48SX.  I KNOW that my HP is a much
|   better machine but I can't find how to do a very useful function on
|   HP that can be done easily on my TI.  On the TI I can do a linear,
|   Power, or Exp Regression.  On the HP I can only figure out how to do
|   a linear regression.  How can I do the others?  I can't find it
|   anywhere in the manuals.

You can select between LINEAR, LOGARITHMIC, EXPONENTIAL, and POWER FIT,
in addition to letting the '48 figure which is the BEST FIT, if you go
into the MODL menu (41.01) in the fourth page of the STAT menu (40.04).
LINFIT, LOGFIT, EXPFIT, PWRFIT and BESTFIT are also commands.

Undocumented feature: If you press the right-most menu key, the '48
beeps, then brings you back to the previous menu without changing your
regression model.

I don't have the manuals here, so I can't look up where this is
described.  Anyway, I hope this helps.

Best regards,
</Erik>
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From: yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Unit conversions
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:03:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <20709@plains.NoDak.edu> jgreff@plains.NoDak.edu (Jason Greff) writes:
>
>As long as we're talking about unit conversions, here's a question:
>
>Suppose I have a value of 1000 ft*lbf/lbm and I want to convert it to
>BTU/lbm (a valid Thermodynamics problem).  How do I do it without dropping
>the mass in the denominator?

'CONV' works fine for me.

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From: kskalb@immd1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Kalb)
Subject: Re: System RPL Questions
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:31:30 GMT

mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen) writes:

>>>5) I don't understand what the 'TakeOver' does in the parameterised
>>>outer loop.

>>I'm not sure either what TakeOver does in those objects that will never
>>appear in menus, but I keep on including them. I assume that they
>>are there prophylacticaly.

>Internally key presses are handled by DoKeyOb. If pressing a key leads to
>executing a secondary, DoKeyOb checks that the first command is TakeOver.
>If not, pressing the key gives an error beep. Else the program is executed
>(TakeOver is a null secondary). Thus TakeOver is an identifier for valid
>programs to execute by a key press.

Ok, you might be right, but I once removed a TakeOver in a key definition
in ParOuterLoop and noticed no difference in the behaviour of the key while
that POL was active. Maybe I don't remind that correctly, but
I still doubt that the TakeOver does something in the key definitions for
a ParOuterLoop. I know I should clear this up by trying it, but right
now I dont have the time. Any takers ?

-KK


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From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Serial->Parallel Converter
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:58:52 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

Hi,

The SmartConverter, featuring serial->parallel conversion and custom
device driver for the HP48 now can be ordered directly to ForCALC.

We are able to accept credit cards payments (Visa, Eurocard, Mastercard)
worldwide.

Who needs more information about our products, may apply to me directly.

Please include ** always ** your address, so that I'll send you some 
brochures.


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