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From: alm@eci.UUCP (Alan L. Munroe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Tires for Honda Prelude 4ws
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:45:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: eci.1272
Reply-To: alm@eci.UUCP (Alan L. Munroe)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Eggonomic Center for Information (ECI)

I currently own a 1988 Honda Prelude SI with four wheel steering.
Right now it has the original Michelin MXV 195/60 tires on 14 inch
alloy wheels.  I was wondering how wide a tire that I could put on
without interfering or rubbing with the front or rear. Would a 205 or
a 215 fit?  Or should I stay with the original size.

Also, any recomendations on what brand of tire that I should get.

Thanks in advance for any help in this matter.  Please send any inquiries
directly to me at alm@eci.

Thanks,

       Alan
From: Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson)
Sender: postmaster@aisbbs.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Full Course Yellows in F
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:33:04

Responding to Dave Fuller, Glenn Austin writes:

GA> > is due to the Andretti axis, where Mario plowed into a safety truck
GA> >and  Micheal crashed soon thereafter.  Even though the yellow was
GA> >displayed and  the corner workers motioning INSIDE, INSIDE.
GA> >Fittipaldi, Sullivan, et al  didn't seem to have any problems
GA> >negotiating the incident;
GA>
GA> I noticed that in cleaning up that incident, they took Michael's car
GA> out the *OUTSIDE* of that turn, so there was really no real reason to
GA> have the truck on the line.

The critical difference is that the car being tended to by the
safety crew had spun and stalled w/o suffering any serious damage.
As is allowed in Indy car racing, this car was being returned to
the pits in hopes of rejoining the race.  Michael's car however,
was obviously too badly damaged to continue, therefore it went
behind the wall.  Personally, I think that this towing of disabled
cars during competition is insane, particularly on street courses
with their limited visibility, but those are the rules.

GA> Not to defend the Andrettis, but I do think that that was a poor call
GA> all around...

Sorry, but IMHO this incident was totally due to the
irresponsibility of both Andrettis.  Mario has historically shown a
disregard for the flag stations (remember when he ripped the right
side of his car off on Guerreros stalled car at Long Beach a few
years ago?).  In this instance, Mario chose to ignore the waving
yellow and hand signals from the workers indicating he should slow
and go to the inside.  Instead, he chose to assume that the truck
was in the same position as the lap before and decided to enter the
turn at FULL racing speed, presumably to gain an advantage on
those who DID slow, only to find out that the truck WASN'T where he
expected it to be.  The next three or four cars that entered the
turn chose to believe the corner workers and were able to slip past
the truck AND Mario's car until Michael came blasting into the
turn, also at full chat, with no possibility of avoiding the
situation.  The CART safety team and the SCCA workers on this turn
(two of whom are friends of mine from Des Moines Valley Region) all
did exactly what they were supposed to do. The incident would not
have happened if the Andrettis had not tried to gain an advantage
and had instead slowed to a reasonable pace and behaved responsibly
in a local yellow situation. It's something of a miracle that no
one was seriously injured or killed in this fiasco!

                                   rj

P.S.  One of our workers was the one who assisted Mario from his
car, and thus was the recipient of Mario's obscene tirade and
physical abuse.  At last year's Xmas party we awarded Howard a new
pin for his hat that reads "Screw you too, Mario"
___
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: F1: Trivia question #2
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:33:58 GMT

Testing time again.  Put on your thinking caps and tell me who won
the closest F1 race of the "modern era".  For the purposes of this
question, "modern era" refers back to the beginning of the 3 litre
formula in 1966.

Answers, on the back of a postcard please, to 

taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu

and, if anyone gets it right, I'll post your names so that everyone
can see the answer.

Ross Taylor

PS: I'll bet that no one gets this from memory.
From: dafuller@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: there I was, there I was, .... in CS, TX   (ARCA)
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:51:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr13.075129.16875
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr11.194403.12367@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>In a previous article, pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) says:
>
>>
>>Howdy! 
>>	Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm...."
>>
>>	The pole for tomorrow's Slick 50 ARCA 500K race at Texas World
>>Speedway was snatched yesterday by Loy Allen.  Allen is driving a
>
>What are the dimensions of this track ?


Before it was rebuilt, the track was a copy of Michigan:

2 miles, moderate trioval banks, less than Daytona corner banking.
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Moss
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:48:07 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <1992Apr13.094547.18694@maths.tcd.ie> madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor) writes:
>In <702954797.F00001@aisbbs.com> Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson) writes:
>>On 4/06/92 Andrew Greenshields writes:
>>AG>   And how many times did Stirling Moss walk away with the World
>>AG> Championship?
..
>>Anyone familiar with Moss's career is aware that Stirling's
>>preference for driving British cars in an era when they were less
>>than fully competitive,
...
>Ah, and a fellow called Fangio had a few other ideas too.

yes, it was rather poor timing for Moss; remember as well that
he was after all Fangio's teammate on the Mercedes team for
a year or so, so he didn't always run with less-than-competitive
hardware -- but beating Fangio wasn't easy.

cheers,
  richard
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From: crash@hal.com (Chris Craddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Champs since 1960 ++
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: hal.1992Apr10.001000.14451
Organization: HaL Computer Systems

In article <1992Apr9.043623.6675@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, rjh@mobius.maths.monash.edu.au (Robin Humble) writes:
|> Could someone please mail me a list of F1 World Champions since 1960.
|> Also I was asked an interesting (and macabre) question recently:
|> 
|>       Did any of these champions win posthumously?
|> 
|> Not being an amazing trivia buff, I have no idea.
|> Anyone know?
|> 

	Yes, Jochen Rindt won posthumously in 1970.

|> --                                             OO
|> rjh@mobius.maths.monash.edu.au                 __
|>         Robin J Humble
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|>   Bright lattices of logic unfolding across the colourless void...
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Chris
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: SHITTY TOPICS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:30:47 GMT

I would like to formally declare the subjects of water injection, 
the power requirements for William's reactive suspension, Who is faster than
whom among the driver's, and why Shell, Agip, Elf, et al, have toxic fuels
for there respective teams, as off limits, due to the fact that these four
topics are quite boring!!!!! Doesn't anybody out there have anything else
better to talk about? As for all of the flames I am about to receive, all
I can say is I am tired of these being the only topics of discussion.

Well, gotta go,
Sincerely,
TOBY PADFIELD

PS. After I just went off on everybody like that, does anyone plan on    
replying to my request of a list of the designers, aerodynamicists, and
engineers for the F1 teams? My undying gratitude would be yours forever!

	  
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: F1
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 16:23:28 GMT

svissa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sirish Vissa) writes:
>  McLaren is having problems with the new car because they were 
>  forced to bring it out, before they were ready.  You can bet that 
>  by the end of the season, they will be as fast if not faster than the
>  Williams.

Personally, I have a hard time believing this.  Consider this:
	- Honda's latest V12 is not as good as the old one
	- McLaren is trying to build a good chassis for a change
	- The new McLaren was a real handful for Senna and Berger
	- McLaren has very little reactive suspension experience
... whereas ...
	- Renault's new engines are much improved
	- Williams has a thoroughly tested reactive suspension system
	- The *current* Williams handles well, and they, too, have a new car
Sure, McLaren has Senna, but Mansell is extremely motivated this year.  At
this point, I have a very difficult time seeing any other end result other
than Mansell's first championship.

Personally, I'll be cheering for those, uhh, yellow and green things, yeah,

				GO LOTUS!!!

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 15:55:28 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Please Mario, its time!
 <16APR199209345343@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>

In article <16APR199209345343@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) says:

>In article <1992Apr15.190740.7763@apollo.hp.com>, johnf@apollo.hp.com (John
>Francis) writes...
>>In article <181082@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan
>Jones) writes:
>>>
>>>Get a clue Mario, retire now, don't try to wait until the end of '93!
>>>
>>>Dan Jones
>>
>>While I agree with Dan that Mario is becoming more and more dangerous to
>>be near as time goes by, there is one thing that makes me not want him to
>>retire before 1993, and that reason is:  Michael Andretti.
>Food for thought - picture Michael going to Benetton and a Michael A. &
>Michael S. team.
>JD
I don't think any top f1 team would be interested in having Michael
Andretti. If they are it is not for his skill, but for his money.
If a team were to sign either Michael or Al jr. that team would have
not problem getting sponsorship. I think Al jr. could be very good in
f1 with any ok car. He has driven some cars that were not top quality or
the right car to have and has done well. Does anyone remember Little Al
driving Dan Gurneys Eagle indycar. Michael has had better cars. I think
he started with the Kraco team then went to Newman-Haas. Some say Al
is too aggressive, but they said the same of Senna.

Jonathan Swaby

p.s. I know Michael has done some testing with McLaren and that Little
Al has done some testing with Williams.
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Reasons for so much F1 traffic in r.a.s was Re: F1: more on fuel
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:32:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <1992Apr3.022706.9253@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:
>What makes F1 so impressive is the outrageous amounts of money they blow
>on it.  Look at how many gigabucks that Honda blows just on engine development!

This confirms the hunch I got last night while watching the parade.  The
reason that there's so much F1 traffic in this group is that yapping about
Formula 1 is far more interesting than watching it.
-- 
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From: mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Faster drivers
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:55:24 GMT

>Sorry, but to the public, the driver is it, and the team are just
>the supporters (note that I don't agree with this view of things,
>that's just the way it is.) No one goes to a race to see the McLaren
>mechanics in their beautiful red and white clothing, they go to see
>Senna and Berger.

Except, possibly, for Ferrari.

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From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Racing Mags opinions
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ashley.shi54INNi7s
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ashley.cs.widener.edu

In article <johnl.225v@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:
>Ok.. I allready subscribe to On Track, IndyCar Racing, and Autoweek.. but  am curious on some other media I've never looked at. Lemme know what you think of these in email or whatever. (If I'm spending approx $100/yr on magazines, I sure want to have the most for the money!)
>

  IMHO Autosport is by far the best racing magazine available.  Its
coverage is mostly F1, Rally, F3000, Indy and that kind of thing.  You
will often find NASCAR news in it also.  It is a weekly publication
and the cost is about $150 for one year, well worth if you ask me. 

-- 
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From: gbr@bisco.kodak.com (Bruce Rodgers)
Subject: Re: GIF's of NASCAR
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.084958.168@sugaree.uu.net> smiley@sugaree.uu.net writes:
>In article <ku9bq5INN162@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, jheris@work2.EBay.Sun.COM (Jheri Birchett) writes:
>> 
>> I know that you FORD fans might have a problem with this but, I have 
>> wanted an Earnhardt gif background for about 6 months now, If this
>> is somewhat impossible any NASCAR background will do.
>
>This might be a little hard cause I dont have a good Dale Earnhardt Picture.
>Know of any magazines that have a good color picture. I only get NSSN.
>I did Richard Petty and Ricky Rudd yesterday. I have to convert them from TIFF
>to GIF and see what the resolution looks like.

The best place for nice color glossys is probably either race programs (some
tracks show all the cars, others just the drivers, but some great clear actions
shots regardless) or the postcard-type souvenir cards that teams give out.

Cheers,
Bruce

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From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Long Beach IndyCar comments
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:55:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: Coverage Blew / Mario's Fault?

<johnl.2231@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:
>Some thoughts on the Long Beach race..
>
>I HATE World League football, especially when it runs 12 minutes into >MY< race
>I bet more people (84000) attended the race than watched that football game 
>worldwide.

God, yes, I have to agree - running that game into their race coverage was
an incomprehensible decision, especially since it was already decided by 
17 or 18 points.  And I sort of even kind of sometimes LIKE WLF'ball.

>Other than starting late, I was pleased with the coverage, however, it seemed 
>like an awful short race. I dunno whether it was the commercials, tv delay, 
>or what.

I thought the coverage sort of stank.  Personally, I don't care much that 
Craig T. Nelson (star of, coincidentally, the ABC series 'Coach.') is 
interested in racing.  I don't care about a large mural of whales being
painted in Long Beach.  Even if one of them is going to be named "Little Al."
I don't care how Shelly Unser or Debbie Rahal are handling the stress of the
last laps.

>Even with  the high attrition rate, several of rookies looked real good on the
>track. Brian Till in the early going, Jimmy Vasser the whole way thru, and both
>Dale Coyne Racing & Eric Bachelart scored their career best finishes (8th!).

Agreed.  Scott Goodyear (not a rookie) was also especially noteworthy.

> (stuff deleted)

I think the biggest drag was the Mario/Cheever tangle in the first lap.  I
haven't had the time to review my tape 100 times, but it looked to me like
it was more mario's mistake than ed's (?)  I eagerly await your collective
opinions.

see you in indy,

steven
From: calvin@neptune.UUCP (Calvin Sanders)
Subject: Re: Back to 84.  (Was Re: senna bashing (#2))
Organization: The Jonathan Corporation, Norfolk, Virginia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 03:57:16 GMT

roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Roberto S. M. Barros) writes:
>David Wilson writes: 
>| Well said.  I remember a certain rainy day at Monaco, wondering
>| "who IS this guy hauling in Prost??"  Senna was impressive from the first
>| moment he set foot in (an inferior) F1 car.  I say this as a person who
>| intensely DISLIKES Senna.  I wouldn't mind if he stepped in front of a
>| bus.  However, I don't know how anyone can be watching the same races
>| I am, and not (however grudgingly) admit that Senna is one of the all-time
>| fastest drivers.
> 
>Very well said!! 
>I remember that one little thing made me very happy by the end of the 84 
>season: Lauda was champion only because the Monaco GP gave Prost only 
>4.5 points!  

Wow was that that long ago. I remember the announcement well. I was at
the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs and we were in a big delay caused by an
accident at turn 6 involving about 20 cars in the GT1 championship race.
They were in a delay and a helicopter was landing to medi-vac a couple
of people that had injuries. The injuries were like a broken leg and some
burns on some of the drivers but nothing life threating thankfully. I remember
that the announcement came over the loud speaker that Lauda had just won
the world championship by 1/2 point. Not knowing the details of the
injuries to the people involved in the hugh wreck it seemed rather
unimportant at the time.
-- 
Calvin Sanders
calvin@neptune
From: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: CART: Valvoline 200 (spoiler)
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:11:25 GMT
Reply-To: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <5APR199217192180@utarlg.uta.edu>,
 b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:

|>  The new Fords had, in general, a poor outing 

Funny, when I was talking to one of Ganassi's folks yesterday morning, just
after he got back from Phoenix, they were incredibly enthused about their
results.

I guess they thought having Cheever finish second, as the only other car on
the lead lap, was a good outing.  Especially in a brand new chassis with only
minimal setup and testing time on it before the race (I was told they had just
finished putting it together on Thursday!).

Remember, Mike and his dad were just one of two Ford powered teams in the
race, so their performance probably shouldn't be generalized to the other one.

BTW, I heard the problem with Mike's car was believed to be in the engine
management system, which is not the same as Ganassi uses...

--bruce
From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: When Will Mopar Return????
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:19:17 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

In article <17s1iB1w164w@ziggys.cts.com> helen@ziggys.cts.com (Helen of Troy) writes:

>I was wondering when Mopar will return to Nascar.... I know they don't 
>have a car to fit the requirements, but it really bums me out.  Nascar is 
>practically a Chevy & Ford race (practically), but I think if Mopars 
>returned there would be a greater excitement in Nascar.  Anyone out there 
>wish to speculate on this?.... 

Chrysler/Dodge/Eagle is introducing the new LH sedans later this year as
1993 models.  These cars, the Dodge Intrepid, the Chrysler Concorde, and
the Eagle Vision, are similiar to the Ford Taurus and Chevy Lumina.  Drive
trains are V6 front-wheel drive.  V8 rear-wheel drive is suppose to be a
future possibility.  There is a nice preview in the May 1992 issue of Car & 
Driver.

Anyway, it is expected that these LH sedans will be Mopar's basis for a 
return to NASCAR in 1993.  I sure hope so.
--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu
From: gss@btcase.bt.co.uk (Graham Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:11:29 GMT
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:

>Personally, I'll be cheering for those, uhh, yellow and green things, yeah,

>				GO LOTUS!!!

Too right, lets go for it.  Regards to Johnny Herbert and Mika Hikkinen.

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Subject: Re: Mansell and rev-limiter
From: alan@datamark.co.nz (Alan Merry)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:16:35 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Apr10.212119.593@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>The Autoweek article says that after Mansell pitted, he turned off his
>rev-limiter and did a couple of laps at qualifying speed to be in front
>of Patrese after he made his stop. If you taped the race, you can watch
>the on-board camera shot of him switching off the rev-limiter on the
>right hand side behind the steering wheel on his way of of the pits.
>His strategy worked well, especially since he didn't even have any traffic
>in front on him after pitting when he did those fast laps.
I cannot believe that a magazine would publish such an obviously erroneous
piece of info. The only way that an F1 driver knows when to change gear is
by feeling for the engine on the limiter, there is absolutely no time to look
at guages or anything else. I would venture to suggest that it far more 
likely that he was adjusting the brake balance to allow for his new
tyres. Alternatively he may have reset the limiter to a temp high value
which was then reset latter in the race. These engines would self destruct
without any limiting very quickly at 15000 RPM!!!+++++