From: hph@hphbbs.E.open.de (H.P. Heidinger, Essen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
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Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
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Organization: HPHBBS-COHERENT User Conference/Germany (CUC-Ger)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:38:31 +0100

root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
: > Greg Comeau (comeau@csanta.attmail.com) wrote:
: > : In article <9212135427@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
: > 
: > But who would pay >$200 for a compiler on a $99 OS?  The point is this:
: > most people have Coherent as a hobby/homework system.  If they were willing
: > to spend a couple of hundred on a second-company compiler, they would
: > probably be willing to spend a grand on the OS.
: > 
: > Maybe your market research knows something I don't.  I wish ya luck with
: > it, but I'm not so sure it will fly.
: > 
: > -Louis
: > --
: > ---------------------------------------------------------
: >  Louis J. Giliberto, Jr.   ! magus@drktowr.chi.il.us
: >    -sysadmin drktowr       ! lgilibe@orion.it.luc.edu
: >   Chicago, IL  USA         ! 
: > ---------------------------------------------------------
: > 
: I agree with you, Louis, but I think things are going to
: change. Here's why:
: 
: 1. Coherent seems to be on a fast track into a fully
: capable os suitable for biz. 

  Fiddle-sticks!
  I am a professional systems manager (VMS, UNIX, heterogenous
  networks) for more than a decade now. A COH' system would never 
  have a chance to get integrated into a system environment that I
  have to manage, since COH' always proves to be unreliable.
  I'd really wonder if other professionals would do.

  Those MWC crew has no notion of 'reliability' and 'quality'. 
  The quirks that I revealed in the V4-release are just ridiculous
  and make it obvious (I can proove it!), that 'testing' is not on the
  check-list at MWCs'. That's why I called COH' "banana software"
  (gets ripe at customers site) recently.
  Customers are a cheap testing suite - seemingly.

  Anyway, COH' is a toy but not a work-base. At the moment one starts
  to take it serious, COH' proves to be overstrained. 

  The worst of all is, that MWC delivers an OPERATING SYSTEMS with a
  damaged DISK DRIVER!

: [ ... ]
: 3. I believe that the market for 3rd party stuff for Coherent 
: has yet to take shape. There is a need for a forum where 3rd 
: parties can advertise. As far as I can tell, the net is the only
: effective way to reach any substantial numbers Coherent users. 
: With the 'netiqeutte' demands for no ads, it must be really hard 
: to get a Coherent application to market. A forum will emerge
: because there will be advertiser demand.

  Advertizers might pour out their stuff in the 'biz'-hierarchy, as
  SCO does in 'biz.sco' and DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) does
  in 'biz.dec'. I DON'T wanna see 'commercials' here!


: 4. With the addition of X and TCP/IP "set for early '93", Coherent
: will reach a position of competing with most USL systems in capability.

  Nice speculation!
  I will _CHECK_ it amongst my 3 home systems (SCO, COH' and DOS with
  SUNs PC-NFS) - then we'll see ... 
  From what I already saw from MWCs work-bench, I'd expect just another
  mess ... and just nice dreams wont drive a hardware.
  

: [ ... ]  
: 7.  A strong marketing blitz from MWC after X & TCP/IP are stable
: could explode sales. 

  There is only ONE chance for MWC to rule over stuff like 'LINUX' and
  '386BSD' - that chance spells: Q_U_A_L_I_T_Y, since this is an
  option that MWC really has, compared with other Wanna-Be-Unices.
  


: I buy books from a small computer store nearby. The guy who runs the
: store asked me the other day..
: 	"I keep hearing about this Coherent. Do you think I 
: 	 ought to stock it?" 
: No small neighborhood computer shop is going to ask that about USL 
: based operating systems.

  He, he - what a nice joke!
  Of course you wont get a "hot-dog" in a decent restaurant and the
  NASA does not produce fireworks rockets ...

  ... and COH' is not a Sys-V but a self-knotted V7 with a few Sys-V
  features ...



Regards, Peter
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