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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:28:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Stone & other filmic greats
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Since THE DOORS was brought up I'd like to point out that Stone's
efforts to link the image of Jim Morrison to an heroic image of the
American Indian is a good example of Stone's selective mixing of
symbols to push forth a truth that only he believes. Now no matter
what you think of Morrison there is nothing in any of the reports
on his life nor in his poetry to justify what Stone did with those
images; instead of making Jim Morrison heroic for what he did do
(and I can see Morrison cutting a heroic figure) Stone puts him
on a pedestal for what he did not do.
Going back to JFK: I agree that the government has gotten a lot of
"air time" to put forth its claims about the events in Dallas, but so
have the legions of theorists who reject those claims. In order for
Oliver Stone to avoid doing what he claims the government was doing
in Dallas and New Oreleans he should have made some effort to present
the issues in a way that invite the audience to draw its own conclusions;
I recall whating Eliot Abrams and Oliver North during the Iran-Contra
hearing: both of them claimed that unless you agreed with them you were
unpatriotic - I find this attitute to be evil - I find the same attitute
in the films of Oliver Stone.
Regarding silly comparisons: I don't really see much to compare between
Silence of the Lambs and JFK, but if you want to see a film which
evokes the banal qualities of evil (ala Dahlmer) try THE VANISHING,
a foreign film recently out on video - it blows Silence of the
Lambs out of the water.
Regarding the issues raised by Allen and Scorsese: I think they raise
issues far more important than those waved around by Stone: violence,
alienation, morality (is there a God, if so what's her address?); any
of us could put together a long list - I stand by my original statement.
Regarding ZELIG: isn't anybody going to ask?
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:41:21 CDT
From:         michael silbergleid <MSILBER3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: death of sam kinnison
              17 Apr 1992 14:36:09 GMT from <rowhite@WRDIS01.AF.MIL>

here here.  People are different from there characters.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:27:00 EST
From:         ACCNEWS@HOFSTRA.BITNET
Subject:      Amadeus

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: Amadeus


        _Amadeus_ was on T.V. about a week ago.  I saw it for about the 6th
time.  I was wondering what you people thought of it??

--

                        ____   ___   ___
                       | ___  |___|  |_|  \ /
                       |____| |   |  |  \  |


"Do you always kill people?"
                                -John Connor
"Of course! I'm a Terminator"                           (Terminator 2)
                                -Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:18:49 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movies for the season

Gayle Williams writes:

>It's interesting that ABC has stuck with The Ten Commandments for several
>years now as their "Easter" movie.  When I was a teenager, their choice year
>after year was The Robe with Richard Burton and Jean Simmons.

 Ah!  But The Ten Commandments is NOT an Easter movie, it is a Passover movie!

 The Robe and Ben Hur are Easter movies.

--Gayle "know your old testament" Gleason
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:01:23 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      F.W. Murnau/Kafka

F.W. Murnau, German director, is best known for two films (both
silent):  FAUST (1926) and NOSFERATU (1922).  Sounds pretty
Kafkaesque, doesn't it.

Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:55:00 EST
From:         "WEAVER, KYLE" <KRW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: A Trivia Question

Meryl Streep won a Best Supporting Actress award in 1979 for "Kramer vs.
Kramer.
Kyle
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:13:00 EST
From:         GRANHOLM@STETSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Medieval films.

        What about _Excalibur_?  Or _Legend_ with Tom Cruise?  Can't they
be considered medieval films?

                                Amy
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:49:46 EDT
From:         Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kafka

Michel, vous avez raison.  Brazil is not only a splendid example, but it
is probaly truer to the spirit of the kafkaeque than *Kafka*, which was
almost too stylish a film (the torture scene seems straight out of a
Kubrick film--not "A Penal Colony"--although Kafka in "real life" was
a very stylish dresser.  As for the Orson Welles film, the cinematography
(spelling?) is very interesting if I remember correctly--lots of still
shots.

The question that was half deleted on my previous note was this:
Has anyone seen the MTV ad in which some person turns into an
insect?

The literalization of metaphors was a favorite technique of Kafka's.
Instead of writing "Gregor Samsa felt as insignificant as an insect"
he had the character actually turn into one ("The Metamorphosis")!!!!



       Tanya in Atlanta
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:14:50 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VERTIGO -- contains major spoilers!

  Frankly, I have to admit that I was disappointed by Vertigo.  Most of what
I remember are endless, endless shots of Stewart tooling around San Francisco
with a puzzled look on his face.  I know that I'm a member of the MTV
generation and everything, but the whole movie lacked that tight, tight editing
style which helped turn me on to Hitchcock in the first place.  Remember
North By Northwest?  There's not one extra frame in that entire film.  Watching
Vertigo made me wish I had a pair of scissors handy.

                                                    Rob
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:40:52 EDT
From:         Zak <ST102359@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Until the End of the Movie..

Hello.

I REALLY liked this movie, as i did _Wings of Desire_, and
i'm glad someone brought it up...

>Posted on 9 Apr 1992 at 06:19:10 by BrownVM Mailer (103837)
>
>Wenders
>
>Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:17:00 PDT
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>From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
>
><stuff deleted.. >
>                                               . . i love the way that
>Wenders works *against* our desire for smoothly flowing time, the way that
>he works against, indeed, the demands of *cinematic* time as conventionally
>understood (pace and all that) . . . so im wondering if the new one will drag
>for me, since i *enjoy* the dragginess,
> <...>
>MM


*********   SPOILERS AHEAD ************************











































I think _UTEOTW_ would not disappoint you in this regard, Michael.
Wenders postpones the concept of _END_ quite deliberately and
convincingly.   The characters gradually find their lives
to be more and more disrupted by an End that is never really
knowable (given that they are in the middle of the Australia desert)
and I think this can be taken to be a comment on how much the
concept of narrativity and motive and ultimately _meaning_ is
dependent on an End that is usually unavailable but always present.

the movie also deals with other interesting stuff, like the
opposition between the paralysing solipsism of the Dreamers,
and the prolific literary production of the writer-character...
non(pre?)-language vs language, if you will.
the entire narrative is also thus self-reflexive since the
narratorial voice itself appears in the narration...from where does
it speak then?  once again, from the elusive and hinted at
space after the End.

anyway, i hope you and others enjoyed the film!
oh...the neuroscientist who was with me when i was watching the movie
also assured me that the ruminations on the visual cortex were
fascinating and left him deeply moved.....*shrug*....;-)

-Zak
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:06:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Glory
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The question was how could those who found Glory boring make it better:

1) crisper editing; so many scenes just sat there - I wanted to yell cut

2) better script - make the characters human beings, not symbols

3) eliminate the score - you know the director is in trouble when the
only way he can evokre a response from his audience is with sappy
music

These are only three ideas off the top of my head; it's been awhile
since I've endured that flick though - but hey this is only my opinion
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:02:53 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Mercedes Ruehl Filmography
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	84 Charing Cross Road
	Another You
	Big
	Crazy People
	The Fisher King
	Heartburn
	Leader of the Band
	Married to the Mob
	Radio Days
	The Secret of My Success
	Slaves of New York

--
-scott
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From:         "Kenneth R. Jackson" <PUPAPKJ@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Sam Kinerson?

Hello everyone,


I just heard a rumor regarding the death of Sam Kinerson in a car accident.
Has anyone else learned about this?
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From:         Flavio Baronti <S567875@UNI-BOCCONI.IT>
Subject:      salvatores

Hi all from Italy,
I'd like to know what you think of Salvatores' movies.
I'm sure you know "Mediterraneo" that has won the Academy Award, but
I'm referring also to previous movies "Marrakech Express" and "Turne'".
That's all....I hope someone knows this...

                                           Flavio Baronti
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:28:20 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: support for libraries

Frank doesn't think that a statement about libraries (and a plea
for us to support our libraries with a simple, free phone call)
belongs on Cinema-l.  Well, Frank, in case you don't know this.....

Many public libraries stock videos of classis movies for the public
to check out (just like books!)  FREE OF CHARGE!
So, there IS a connection.


--Gayle Gleason

P.S. Personally, I'm glad the toll-free number was posted, 'cause last time
I saw it I was not at a phone, nor did I have any thing to write it down
with.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:31:00 EST
From:         TRNDBOUT@STETSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: medieval films

        _HIGHLANDER_ even though half of the movie takes place in the present
(1986 or so) the other half takes place in medieval times.
        If you haven't seen it, rent it and pay attention!

                                Doug
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:42:00 EDT
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Older films, finding videos

>P.P.S.  Roger Ebert's annual _Roger Ebert's Movie Home Companion_
>has an appendix with video sources, but his info. is badly out of
>date -- several of them have changed phone numbers, others are out
>of business, and one (Loonic Video in SF, which has a really bi-
>zarre list) is listed with the phone number of a gentleman who
>sounds just about as P.O.'d as it's possible to get when you call
>him to ask about _The Killer Shrews_.
>
>Jim Thompson

Having suffered through The Killer Shrews (dogs with extra hair pasted on)
I can understand getting p.o.'d!

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Impromptu

REPLY TO 04/16/92 14:28 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Impromptu

Yeah, that's what was missing in IMPROMPTU -- depth.  The lack of it
made the difference between a very good movie and an excellent one.
Jennifer Porro.

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:49:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      new film?

Hey, i know some of you folks have your finger pressed much closer to the
pulse of what's latest in the world of pop culture than i do, so could you
help me out?

my wife worked on a film up here in Oregon tentatively titled *Grand Tour*,
a whimsical sci-fi flick starring Jeff Daniels as a bored time-traveller
who gets involved with a catastrophe of our present era . . . this film was
scheduled, originally, to be released *last* summer!!!  Does anyone know
what's happened to it?  My wife labored over some awnings used in the film,
and so we've been dying to *see* her work in the durned thing!

Thanks for your help,
MM
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:23:00 EDT
From:         DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mission from God

The dialogue is:

 Elwood (Dan Akroyd): " It's 106 miles to Chicago. We got a full
tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're
wearing sunglasses. "
 Joliet Jake (John Belushi): " Hit it. "

I know it may seem picky, Amy, but I listened closely to the tape
a couple of times. It is "We got", not "We've got". Details, details,
admittedly, but when it comes to cult classics, this would appear
of the utmost importance. ;-)
The reason for mentioning this is that I saw THE BLUES BROTHERS for
the first time last year on campus. It was an interesting experience
that helped me grasp the notion of so-called cult movies, which has
hardly an equivalent back home in Belgium. There was some audience
participation, in particular at the moment of the dialogue above,
when most of the people in the theatre recitated along.
Quite interesting.
........................................................................

          MICHEL

          Michel Deschuyteneer              (DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET)
          Div. Neurology, Dept. Medicine, Duke Univ. Medical Center.
          Durham, North Carolina; USA.

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From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: VERTIGO -- contains major spoilers!
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A lot of these issues are discussed inthe book Hitchcock/Truffet (sp).
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From:         Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Europa

Sysse, No, I haven't heard of Zentropa at all save from this bitnet
group.  I'd like to hear more, though.
        Tanya In Atlanta
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:40:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      VERTIGO

Pat,
   Your explanation about the escape must be what we're meant
to assume, but it still seems farfetched -- after all, the
police would have been called, and one of the first things
they'd have done would be to examine the tower; and for hours
after the "fall," there would have been crowds all over
the place.

P.S. I believe the tower is that of Mission San Juan Bautista,
on 101 south of San Jose.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:48:00 PST
From:         QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Amadeus

As a music history major, I can tell you that the rivalry between Salieri
and Mozart was completely fictionalized.  After seeing the film I ran home
and checked a few dozen of my music history texts, and found that the only
reference to Salieri in any of them was in respect to the fact that he
was one of Beethoven's teachers.  The real Mozart also had five children
when he died, not one, and the whole plot line surrounding the writing of
the Requiem was fictitious.

If you forget the real Mozart, and take the film as a work of historical
fiction rather than of biography, of course, it is a brilliant masterpiece.
If you have ever heard Salieri's real music you would know why they chose
him to symbolize banality.  It's AWFUL!

James Quinn

(Former music history major -- now a law school reference librarian!)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:24:00 EST
From:         Navin Ganeshan <NGANESHA@UDCVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: tv

>Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET> said:
>
>Navin, you mean that TV ain't Cinema?  Confused in Oregon,
 >MMcDonald

    Shoot...that's a toughie.  I remember a few months ago when a TV issue
    was brought into cinema-l.  The poster was reminded (several times)
    that there was a seperate TV-L discussion.  Hence the disclaimer...


>W. Stephen Marquardt <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET> said:
>
>Herman's Head proves that you'll never go wrong appealling to the LCD. After
>all these are probably the same people who bought Veg-o-matics.
>--Stephen

    I like how you brought that around....great convergence ! :-)
    Lets hope this is the last word on Veg-O-Matics or any other kitchen
    appliances.

    Oh well.  Gotta get back to cramming for the GRE.  Wish me luck..:-)
    You all have a great weekend !

                                                              - Navin
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From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Vegematics

I hope you all (I've been out of Texas for six years but it sticks
in the blood) are wrong about Ronco disappearing.  Maybe
the shopping channels knocked it out.  This will make late-night
TV less interesting.  At least, there are still those ads for
Boxcar Willie.
Jim Thompson
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From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CIvil War Films

>
>There is a John Wayne/William Holden film possibly directed by John Ford that's
>Civil War era but its name escapes me.
>
>Gayle Williams
>University of Georgia Libraries

This is THE HORSE SOLDIERS. It's the story of Col. Grierson's cavalry raid,
a true(?) story.

I might add IRONCLADS to the list, even though it was a TV movie.
I also might add the tv movie about Alan Pinkerton, if I could remember
the title. Maybe I forgot because it was such a forgettable movie. It
starred Christopher Reeve.

This is an appropriate topic for the anniversay of Lee's surrender at
Appomattox on April 9, 1865.

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Older films
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Remember the question about favorite sexy moments in movies well in
the LADY EVE (dr. Preston Sturges, 1941) we have that steamy moment
in the stateroom between Henry Fonda and Barbara Stanwick; nothing
could top that moment for erotic suggestion.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:05:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Quiz

>OK, Jim at ice9, if you memorize old commercials:

>1.  What six things does a Vegamatic do;
It dices, it slices, and look at those Julienne fries.  BBe nice to have a
handy kitchen tool around the house wouldn't it?
But wait there's more...

Dan
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:18:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Premiere mag. (may 92)
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Some random comments on the May issue of Premiere:

1) on p. 15-16 the film THE INNOCENT (based on the novel by Ian McEwan
which Frank can check out at his local library) is compared to the
film Casablanca - excuse me, I've seen Casablanca and I read The
Innocent; although the novel is wonderful, it's basically about a guy
who hacks up his girlfriend's husband and lugs the guts around
cold war Berlin for a few days. What could this have in common
with Casablanca (was it Peter Lorre's BODY in the piano?)?

2)
on page 102 (the list of the 100 most powerful in Hollywood) Woody
Allen is #81; last year he was 91, but the essay has nothing but
bad things to say about him. Why did he go up ten points?

3) on p. 103 - an interesting reference to Stanley Kubrick

4)on p. 110 - Kurosawa's version of THE IDIOT is now on video - do
not miss this thoughtful film; it's one of the best novel to film
adaptions ever and it is both beautiful and stimulating. You do
not need to be familar with the works of Dostoyevski to be withered
to tears by the end of this film - check it out
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