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From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Atari Jaguar rumors
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:19:16 GMT

News about Jaguar and Lynx is proof Atari is TOP GUN with computers!


From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)

A few random rumors and news McNuggets. Take 'em with all the salt you want.

1. According to an Atari insider friend of mine, the Atari Jaguar will have
        two 68030s or 68040s, running in parallel. A loose interpretation
        will call this 1 "64-bit" game system, from adding up two "32-bit"
        processors.

2. The Jaguar's release will be accompanied at the same time with "a lot of"
        games. No specific titles, of course...

3. Price for this magic box? $199. Dunno how that'll sell with Genesi and
        SNESes going for as low as $99, but it depends on what the machine can
        do, of course.

4. And just to show that Atari does have their act together, video-game stores
        have recently been flooded with lots of Lynx products to sell. The
        Lynx area of my favorite Electronics Boutique doubled in size, while
        a local Babbages devoted the entire wall behind the main counter to
        the Lynx, bumping the Gameboy and Game Gear stuff to the back of the
        store.

5. Speaking of Babbages, the Lynx version of BATMAN RETURNS made #7 on their
        August 1992 Top Ten Video Games list...
From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:30:33 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Ok, let's clear up some misconceptions here.
First off, the Atari Falcon does not use the DSP as it's main audio
processor. The Falcon has three main sound chips.....the original 3 voice
Yamaha PSg chip, the PCM 8 bit stereo chip and a brand new 8 channel 16 bit
DMA sound engine.  TOS can access any of these through the use of a
built-in multiplexer.
The 16 bit DMA sound engine can receive audio input and generate audio
output at rates of 12.5, 25 or 50kHz........if a user NEEDS audio at a
HIGHER rate, he can access the DSP for audio at up to a 1Mhz rate.
Yes, it does seem a little tacky that Atari deemed it "neccessary" to
include the original two sound chips, but if it gets it out the door
faster, I'm all for it.
As far as video modes go, the Falcon has the following:
All STe graphics modes (w/ 4096 color palette)
Plus:
640x480 16 bit color (true color)
320x480 "  "
320x200 "  "

VGA Modes:
320x200 - 2,16,256 colors  - 262,144 color palette
320x400 - "   "
640x200 - "   "
640x400 - "   "

Also, all modes except for the true color modes can be overscanned to
provide up to 732x480 maximum resolution.
+ a one bit overlay mode in true color allows the use of externally
generated video on a pixel by pixel basis.

As far as TOS being a "CP/M launcher covered by hacks" (or something you
said imilar to that) I merely laugh in your face........An Amiga owner
talking about a hacked OS......what a stinking hypocrite!

Keep in mind my ignorant friends, what market this is being pushed at - 
Several "niche" markets - Music, low-end DTP, and the HOME........
Hmmmmm, all of this for under a $1000..........let's see C= top that.  
Oh, and the crack about C= doing better than Atari?  True, but at least
Atari hasn't jumped ship to the clone world.........what are C='s profits
now? 80% of sales is from PC clones?  Interesting...........


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: food for thought
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:46:03 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


MS>FOr those of us who wishes some other REAL company - a good company - would
MS>buy CBM...  First, why buy CBM?  Their technology isn't good enough to warrant
MS>the investment.  The sales are putrid and wouldn't warrant the investment, either.
MS>Second - if I were a company that had my sights set on buying CBM, I'd wait until
MS>Jan/Feb when CBM stock will be selling at $2 per share.  The cost of buying CBM
MS>at that price would be much cheaper.

 There is more to technology to think about. Commodore has a well established
distrubution network in europe. This would allow most companies to enter
the european market without having to establish themselves. The technology
may not be up to date but the market is there. The right company can easily
improve on hardware/sales/advertising ect. 
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:40:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.211643.6069@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Aug12.184148.22794@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>As for cpu power, the 486-50 beats it by quite a few marks.  A 040-25 only
>>has the performance of a 486-33 cpu.  But if you compare a 040-33, well
>>that may be another story.  
>
>Well, even that is only partially the truth. The 040 is remarkably fast
>at floating point operations and a large part of todays software that
>needs CPU power uses it for floating point.

Clarification:  a large part of today's AMIGA software needs FPU power
of the 040.  Big difference.

Actually, it *isn't* true, is it?

>Regards,
>-- 
>Michael van Elst
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>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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--
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*"It reminds me of something Cally said. 'He who trusts cannot be
*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
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From: ahansfor@starbird.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:40:33 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Aug 92 16:55:11 GMT, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) said:

daveh> In article <AHANSFOR.92Aug6182122@guardian.wpi.edu>
daveh> ahansfor@guardian.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:

>Even if the AA machines were announce next month they will probably
>be scheduled to ship in January and actually show up in May.
>(Remember the lag time between A3000 Introduction and shipping. And
>the additional time to get 2.0 out, 16 month after its initial
>planned release.)

daveh> I remember it well.  The A3000 was introduced on April 24,
daveh> 1990.  At the introduction, it was scheduled to ship in mid
daveh> June.  It shipped in mid June, on the 18th as I recall, with
daveh> 2.00.  2.04 came along later, sure, but that's because it was
daveh> decided at some point that we would wait until 2.04 was ready
daveh> before any ROM machines were upgraded.  Much of this was based
daveh> on compatibility issues.

Well, I hope I can buy a AA machine 6 weeks after Pasadena.  (That is
I hope they're out and I hope I can afford one.)  I hope that 3.0 (or
whatever) is not as much of a hassle.  Mr. Finkel has enlightened us
as to the "extreme compatibility" issue.  

So was 2.04 extreme compatibility worth it?  Would we have better apps
now if 2.01 was the release a year earlier.  Or was it better to
enforce the compatibility.  (Tracing programs with logic analyzers to
catch false assumptions by developers seems like a hell of a job.  Not
bad for a company that people are always complaining about screwing
its current customers.) 

Hope you can update your .sig soon, Mr. Haynie.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IBM486 vs Amiga040
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:34:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.223323.12189@nmsu.edu> dleland@nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>I was interested in the post asking about speed comparisons. I would ask;
>according to what standard is one faster than the other? If you had both
>machines running at 25mhz, then which would be faster? In terms of
>MIPS, Megaflops, Dhrystones, etc.? 

GOD, NOT AGAIN!

Basically Darrell, the 040/25 runs at 25 Mhz external, and 50Mhz internal.
The 486DX2/50 runs 25 external, 50internal.  The Intel chip has a
marketing genius, you see (laughs and laughs).

And not matter how much 'objective' evidence brought up, some people
will say the figures don't because 1)programming the 040 is
SO SO SO SO SO much easier (so they say), or 2)you can run SO SO SO SO
much more and (better) software on the 486DX2.

If those numbers mean anything to you, all the more power to ya,
but in the end it's almost all subjective.

>Darrell Leland                              //
>dleland@nmsu.edu                 ()=========>>=========================--
>                                            \\ Queen of Swords
>"There is no absolute truth, and that is absolutely true..."  
  ^^^^^......

  Are you __sure__? :)


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*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: New Amigas
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 11:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.181219.3819@mits.mdata.fi> paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau) writes:
>I've heard that the new Amiga (A800) should be released next spring.

A800?  Well there's a new one!  I think we've now heard : A800, A1200,
A2200, A3000+ and A4000.  

The "Crew That Never Rests" alright!  :-)

>| Rasmus Paetau (paetau@mits.mdata.fi) | Waiting for the Atari Falcon |

-- 
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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:11:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.200733.21745@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.042252.9987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.003046.27379@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>>Any wagers on sound capabilities?
>>
>>ECS Paula.
>
>There is no ECS Paula; the A3000 has the same Paula as the A1000.  As
>I understand it, the Paula for AA will still be the very same Paula.
>
>I figure the technology in Paula is just so obscure that no one at
>Commodore has yet been able to figure it out or duplicate it.  The
>audio channels are *analog* outputs!  This is not a simple digital
>chip.  Whatever Amiga Corp. engineer developed Paula and then got

Huh... aren't all audio outputs analog? I thought that sound was always
analog (???). 

>canned took Paula's technology with him.
>-- 
>Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
>OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...


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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:47:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <10667547.41.713672992@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>>Try telling that to a top exective giving a slideshow presentation.
>
>Why doesn't the **TOP** executive run SCALA 2.0, like they do at MICROSOFT 
>CORP!

Hmmmm, the last presentation I saw Bill give (at the Systems Unit retreat)
he used PowerPoint for Windows. I doubt we use anything else. After
all, I didn't think it was an Amiga doing full motion video on a Windows
style desktop.

Now, our multimedia and video productions guys... they have a few Amigas.
Mostly for evaluation.

>
>>Matt Crowd - Systems Support - GBRMPA
>
>-Jif


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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:15:28 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Wed 12 Aug 92 19:21, Iank@microsoft.com (ian Kennedy)
wrote:

 IK> Why the A600 now? All indications point to a release of new
 IK> video chips (and maybe audio) by the end of the year. Perhaps
 IK> as early as September, but I think not as I expect C= to
 IK> release just more re-hashed old technology at that show.

  I have only three things to remind you of..

  1. The Commodore 16 and

  2. The Sx-64.

  3. The B128.

Granted the SX-64 was neat.. it was still old technology in a new case..
that's all it was. And both failed. 

So before anyone says, "Commodore wouldn't dare repackage old technology
and call it something new," think of those three machines.

Mike.. 

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article is RIGHT about Commodore atrocities regarding the Amiga!
Let's make HIM our voice! Since Commodore won't listen to us!

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                              P.O. Box 1377
                           Sausalito, CA  94966
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= Financial Results
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:01:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Aug21.010154.16156
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange


   Well, I've been holding out for the removal of Chairman Gould for a long
time (couple of years is long enough). Hopefully the nearly-simultaneous hits
of Robinson's article and these less-than-mediocre earnings will cause
something to happen. 
   I really feel sorry for the innocents that are going to take flack for all
of this. The OS and engineering folks do a bang-up job, and then the 
marketdroids step in to the picture. Needless to say, it's PIGO at Commodore:
(P)roduct (I)n, (G)arbage (O)ut. <Sigh> It's been a bad day. <Sigh>

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:50:14 GMT

In article <mykes.0cwe@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>Great!  Put me in your killfile.  Whatever yanks your chain.

Nay, not mine.  I agree with a lot of what you say, but not the tone you've
been using.  It's wearing a bit thin.

>I still DO support the Amiga.  I still spend MORE time using the Amiga than I
>do my PC.

It's been difficult to tell that from your recent posts.

>  After the
>negative news article published across the US in newspapers about the
>Amiga, any hopes of the Amiga gaining any acceptance at all in the US
>are ZIP, NADA, ZERO, GONE, to the phantom zone/twitlight zone/forbidden
>zone.

OK - let's assume this is true - the Amiga has no hope in the US, and nothing
Commodore can do can ever change that.  So?  What exactly are you advocating?
You say:

>That's 100% CBM's fault.

But, so what?  That's in the past.  What is that you'd like to see happen now?

Do you think that C= should just give up all Amiga development and only sell
clones from now on?  Should all of us who own Amigas throw them out and buy
486s with OS/2?

It's all very well to rant and rave, do you have any solutions?  Should we all
just give up, close down the comp.sys.amiga groups, and turn off the lights?
If not, what should C= and us users be doing?

I can tell you what I'm going to be doing - I'm going to buy one of the new
systems when they appear (assuming the price is reasonable).  I plan on using
Amigas for years to come, and look forward to the introduction of new
technologies, such as RTG, in the not-too-distant future.

Maybe I'm an optimist, but that's the plan.

>Read what I wrote:  OS/2 apps ARE AmigaOS apps.  I have seen both, know
>both from a technical perspective, and I know they are the same.

I've always supported OS/2 (since 1987, I've wanted to see it succeed).  I
really hope it does well in the PC marketplace, and I'll continue pushing
for it's introduction where I work.  But, that doesn't make me want to
give up the Amiga - it simply means that PCs aren't as bad an alternative as
they used to be.  No matter how well they perform, how much software there is,
how good that software is, and how cheap they are, they're still kludges,
from their Intel cpus to their 8 MHz 16-bit AT busses and conflicting localbus
standards, and I just don't want that sort of thing as MY computer.  I want
the best, and that's Amiga.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:29:51 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <9517@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <root.0295@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> >
> >This would seem to be politically unsound on the part of Commodore.  When
> >China takes over Hong Kong in 1997, Commodore could easily lose that plant.
> >At this time, companies who are already in Hong Kong are working on
> >contingency plans for pulling out.
>
>Hmm, interesting point. But it can easily be reversed: Commodore is today
>already very strong in the eastern european markets. How about invading
>the *BIG* chinese market from inside??? (Just a speculation :-)

The Chinese market for computers is mainly in education and the government.
There might be a good market for the A3000 running UNIX.  The 68030 can be
exported from the US to China, but the 68040 is too powerful.

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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Smart Stock Move - How to make a million bucks.
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:21:08 GMT


Has anyone considered this?

Just before a new product comes out for Commodore, buy the stock.

Just before a new product comes out for Atari, sell the Commodore
stock and buy Atari's.

Then just before Commodore releases another new product, sell Atari's
stock and buy Commodore's.

Etc...

Eventually, you should be able to make a decent profit off of all
these rumors... hahahahahahaha :)

I guess I'll buy Atari's stock now, in six months, sell...
then buy Commodore's stock because their new machines will be out and
then six month's later, I'll buy Atari's stock because of the
Jaguar release, and just keep buying and selling.


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From: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug19.213003.1854@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
 spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>... About the AmigaVision upgrade, do you have any idea
>how much the upgrade will cost?
>
>
>                               Scott Corley
>spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

Please note:

1.  CATS has the charter of assisting hardware sales by helping
software and hardware companies to produce quality products.  We
believe the existence of quality software and peripherals will
help us sell more units, and in fact are dependent upon the third
parties for their products and their expertise.  In some limited
cases we fund and sometimes even publish titles (i.e.
AmigaVision) to meet this need.

2.  Marketing decisions, in general, are made by the individual sales
companies (i.e. US, UK, Germany, etc...).  Obviously the sales companies
work with us and attempt to work together in the area of pricing.

3.  Not much will be stated by CATS or by US Marketing or by any
other part of Commodore about AmigaVision until is almost available and the
product is officially announced, which I expect to happen in mid-September.

To summarize, lets worry about the price issue when it is time.  For now
lets rejoice that the runtime will be free...

Thanks for your interest,



John Campbell
Commodore Applications and Technical Support (CATS)
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:03:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205736.11004@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com
(Ian Kennedy) writes:

>Why the A600 now? All indications point to a release of new
>video chips (and maybe audio) by the end of the year. Perhaps
>as early as September, but I think not as I expect C= to
>release just more re-hashed old technology at that show.

Numerous reports have indicated that CBM sold close to 800,000 C-64s last
year, regardless of the state of its software development. Using SMT
and cost-effective manufacturing methods, the A600 could become a capable
home system and cash cow. 

Incidentally, on the second point, I'm betting sooner than later...

>What do you think? Why did C= release the A600?

Once again, all indications are that the A600 may never be released in
North America. The possibility remains that a platform with increased
capabilities and a comparable price may supplant it. I agree however,
that this will remain the most significant portion of the market.

Mark

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:35:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.180205.1@acad2.alaska.edu> astlc@acad2.alaska.edu (Tom Claydon) writes:
> Oh brother. The old addage "computer software would be cheaper if there
>were no software pirates" is pure bunk. Take a look at the home video game
>market. There is NO piracy on these systems, yet $40 to $50 (or more)
>cartridges are not uncommon.

	You're wrong.  In fact, I'd venture to guess there are far more
console pirates than Amiga pirates, much larger installed base (if you
lump all the consoles into one group), though the Amiga probably has more
pirates by percentage.  External Disk drives for consoles are becoming
increasingly popular in the USA and Canada, they have been in the Asian
countries for years.