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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:18:25 GMT

========================================================
> esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin) writes:
>:   I agree that such a race-based division makes little if any sense,
>:   whatever the actual labels used.  However, I think you're reading in
>:   false motives behind such form-questions.  Pretty much the only reason
>:   the 'race' question is included, is because it's often required by the
>:   federal government.  And the reason the federal government requires
>:   it, by and large, is to gather statistics to see if any particular
>:   race is being unfairly underrepresented (and thus, it is assumed,
>:   discriminated against).

 I agree with Paul.

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 vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com responds:
>
>I do not consider White or Black as a RACE.
>RACE would be German,French,African..etc.

 Virendra, while you emphasize that "europeans" be
 classified by their nationality, you in the same line
 lump all "africans" together? Africa is as much a continent
 like europe - isn't it? So why this double standard, huh?

T.Y.
----
tyadav@athena.mit.edu
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Pressure
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:38:50 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <shashi.726326598@aix3090b.uky.edu>, shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:
|> From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
|> Subject: Re: Pressure

|> I find this reference to 'Uncles and Auntis' rather offending. 
|> We  should be concerned over 'american employees' being rather
|> uneducated, underskilled and threatened by other countries providing
|> better trained cheaper labor. Most of the friends I have are  
|> (irrespective of their skin color) 'pressuring' their sons and daughters into
|> 'finishing high school and going into some "professional" career.' It is
|> not always medicine and/or engineering or computer science.  

But very frequently it is the case for Indians. 

|> It seems to me that parents who take interest in their children's education
|> are being accused of 'pressuring' them. The young people who 'complain' of
|> being pressured, are most of the time not very sure of the alternatives
|> either.

I would venture to guess that most people around 17 yrs old have not made
their final decisions on long term career professions, but when a parent
practically forces a kid into a profession, its a bad situation. 
An adolescent is mature enough to look for some guidance, and probably 
will ask the parent for advice. It is that large amount of unsolicited
advice that becomes burdensome.

|> The way the school system is herein USA, one can finish high school by taking 
|> very low level 'math and science' courses, and equally mediocre language 
|> and arts classes. If left upto the children, 
|> they would prefer 'bunny' classes that
|> get them thru the high school easy and they will also talk their friends into 

Seems like you watched 'Bad Influence' a few too many times. :-)

|> it. Then consider a kid whose father is a professor and mother is a school
|> teacher,one of them looks at the choices and says 
|> "if you do your best, you can take most of these classes at AP level", 
|> whoa that is pressuring dear uncle and aunty..

The problem with all of the pressure arises when one is forced into 
a profession that one has either little talent for or interest in. 
One has to be somewhat practical and say, well with such & such degree,
what are my opportunities like, but that is a decision that the 
individual has to make, not the parents.

Ron
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,alt.individualism
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:37:57 GMT

In article <1iaro7INNdhc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan) writes:
>I've been here since 1964 so am quite used to this,
>and in fact it is not so cold here as it was in Maine, where I lived in my
>childhood!  THat usually embarresses them and shuts them up!  I mean, my accent
>is NOT that of an Indian!  

I love it when I here that I speak English very well. :)

>
>(Actually, both are).  But, I also agree that one should feel a citizen of the
>world first, and strive to make others feel that way whenever possible, for
>that is really what we are, and that is the only way that humanity is going to
>survive this era and move on into the next, whatever that may be.  I believe
>it to be an era of space travel and contact with other intelligences out there,
>but then again, I am a dreamer.

Sounds likes something I heard on a Star Trek episode. I'am planning to join
Starfleet next fall. :)


Rakesh Patel
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Indian software in the spotlight (Was Re: Pressure)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:14:08 GMT

In article <7932@dove.nist.gov>, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.233621.7703@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
> |> The education in India is more theoretical in nature even at IIT's.
> |> The education in US has a better balance between theory and application of
> |> theory.
> 
> Interesting. I think that US engineering education is far too weighted
> towards the theoretical and not enough towards application. The class

If you think US education is theoretical, Indian engineering education is 
even more theoretical - lot of mathematical stuff. However in India there 
are Polytechnic colleges which teach down-to-earth engineering. Most of the 
cheap labor employed by the multinationals in India (for manufacturing/
production etc) comes from Polytechnics. Polytechnics award a degree called 
Diploma. It is equivalent in some sense to an Associates degree in US 
(awarded at most community colleges or small technical institutes like TCI). 

> sizes are generally too large, and labs are either few or don't make a 
> lot of sense in the context of the course. This is particularly true

Class sizes are large in India too except in IITs which are highly selective.
Lab facilities are very limited. Even IITs do not have all the modern equipment
usually available at an average institute here.

> of the undergraduate courses IMO. Not everyone who studies engineering
> plans on continuing on for a PhD, but that's who we have teaching those 
> undergrad courses. 
> 
This is same in India too.

> Do you think that most profs enjoy teaching at the undergrad level? 

Usually not in USA. In india teachers are much better. They take more
interest in teaching.

> How many of those profs have actually built or designed a real world 
> project? 

Very few (both in US as well as in India).

> How much time as an engineer do you spend solving differential 
> equations?

Hardly any. In my experience as well as from what I know about others,
very few engineers directly actually use the education imparted at the school
in real life. It is the problem solving skills and conceptual understanding
that come handy. Also in real life, people skills are extremely important
unlike in school.

Alok
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
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Subject: FREE STOCKS NEWSLETTER!
Organization: Andersen Consulting
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:31:53 GMT


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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Request to participate in alt.hindu
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:40:49 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


   Dear Reader:

   This is a sincere request to post stuff on alt.hindu newsgroup. The
   newsgroup is *moderated* and discusses a variety of topics on 
   Hindu culture and religious aspects - from contemporary and the past.

   I would personally appeal to all of you, assuming that many of you are
   of Indian extractions to post on this newsgroup. 

  I also gurantee that this newsgroup is *devoid* of any trash traffic - as
  Raj Bhatnagar is quite strict on this aspect 8-). 

  I hope that this will not fall on deaf ears.

    - HAPPY NEW YEAR and wishing to see some posting on alt.hindu,

      deb chatterjee
    (A GOOD SAMARITAN)
From: rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: alt.hindu
Date: 5 Jan 1993 02:37:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Someone stated that there was an alt.hindu newsgroup but we don't have it.
Can others verify that it exists, and how do I get it?

Rango
From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Indian software in the spotlight (Was Re: Pressure)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:22:11 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan11.231638.26436@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>One reason for this is that "need of achievement" is reduced for the 
>individuals who graduated from ivy league colleges. They have already
[...]
>Subsequently they do not do as well as somebody from a remote unheard college
>still trying to prove his/her technical competence.

I have also heard this comment, that Berkeley/MIT/Stanford et al. grads
are too arrogant to work hard in the workplace, so some managers prefer hiring
from Cal Poly.  I certainly hope this isn't too large a trend :-).

Manish
-- 
She paints herself that bird, a thrush
with crimson stain across her mouth
No raspberry, a hot-sweet flush
denies the fever frocking south.         - S.K.S.
From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:26:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1iaro7INNdhc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan) writes:
>
>But I do agree that Indians themselves have many prejudices, Blacks for one,
>and even amongst each other.

How many IA-African American, IA-Latino, IA-any other minority couples do
you see, compared to IA-IA or IA-white?


>[lyrics to IMAGINE deleted]

Seen on Telegraph Ave: 

THE REAL MARX & LENIN:

(Groucho & John)

:-)

Manish
-- 
"You cannot be president of the U.S. if you don't have faith.  Remember
Lincoln, going to his knees in times of trial and the Civil War and all
that stuff.  You can't be.  And we are blessed.  So don't feel sorry for --
don't cry for me, Argentina."   -- President Bush and his keen analytical mind
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.)
Subject: Re: Indian software in the spotlight (Was Re: Pressure)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:08:12 GMT

=====================================================
>> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:
>>  - individuals from "i never knew this college existed" turn out
>>  to be much better scientists/engrs than these global ivy league colleges.
>> 

 alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>One reason for this is that "need of achievement" is reduced for the 
>individuals who graduated from ivy league colleges. They have already
>achieved high before they get to the industry.

 This, I agree, is "one" possible reason. But, often not the real reason. 

>>  On a more general level the message is, perhaps:
>>     If you want to look for performance and potential, don't look for
>>     grades, degrees and union certificates.
>>     See the mind, the soul elsewhere.

>I would rather say:
>
>"If you want to look for performance and potential, don't look for
>school, grades, degrees and union certificates.
>See the actual work done and evaluate its value to the organization."

 Nope, I disagree. Having interviewed prospective candidates for the firm
 I used to work for in Fullerton, CA - all I can say, is that even resumes
 and claims of actual work done mean nothing. B'coz, people lie and pretend
 to be more than they really are. What is being claimed need not be history.
 And history does not predict future.

 Strictly speaking, grades/degrees are supposed to represent the actual
 work done at the school. But, as you agree, grades/etc. are not worth 
 looking at if you want performers. 
 Similarly, "actual work done" is a mysterious term. Whether the individual
 was responsible or was it the individual's offbeat pal/peer; whether it
 was the individual who achieved or was it the manager or was it the
 leadership of CEO or partially all or none (just sheer good old luck)...?

   success, always, has many parents,
   and failure, alas, is an orphan.
   if you want truth and ability
   discover the process in action
   boldly fathom the unexplored

	 jump away from past
	 plunge into the future
	 and see the mind, the soul in action
	 that, dear seeker, where: 
	 the answer Is.

T.Y.			(who thanks all those who send him email and candies)
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tyadav@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: montra@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Paolo Montrasio)
Subject: Mahabarata. Where can I find it?
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:38:10 GMT


I hope this is the correct newsgroup to post this request to.

At the moment I'm reading a 200-page summary of Mahabarata, a great
indian poem (perhaps you know what M. is!). I'd like to read the full
poem but I don't know where can I find it. Does anyone know if there
is an english translation of Mahabarata? (I'd rather prefer a italian
translation - I'm italian - but I think this is hard for you to
know...).

	Thank you in advance!

P.S.: pleae, reply by E-mail to montra@ghost.dsi.unimi.it, because I
can't read news every day and there is the chance that your reply will
expire before I read it.

---
		Paolo Montrasio
	
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:10:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.211305.10613@news2.cis.umn.edu> shiv@lenti.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.163757.28163@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>>
>>I love it when I here that I speak English very well. :)
>		  ^^^^
>
>... but your spelling could use a little extra work :-)
>
>Shiv
>
>
A little tongue in cheek humor...that's all. :)

Rakesh Patel


Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap)
Subject: Re: FREE STOCKS NEWSLETTER!
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:32:05 GMT

In article <C0ow5s.Ktu@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(Kanth Miriyala) writes:
>>We apologize for cross posting this. As we want to attract people
>>to investing in stocks we are  trying to post this in places 
>>wherer we can reach  non-investors. We sincerely hope that this 
>>will prove profitable to you in the long run. 
>
>IT WON'T and you know it!
>
>DON'T DO IT! You cannot win this game. I wish Mr. Miriyala would
>cease and desist from posting this IRRESPONSIBLE stuff on the net,
>in an attempt to ensnare naive investors. I get so mad when I
>see his sugary postings.

I think every one has the right to "offer" information!
People who choose certain investment vehicles always
do so at their own risk -- and some people (even poor
students and people new to the investment game) are happier
with a higher level of risk than are others. 

While its good of you to offer to put together a
newsletter or info sheet, on what basis would you
have us believe that your information is any more
accurate and profitable than his? 

(I know your analysis on Indian investments on
sci has been pretty decent in the past, but then again,
there are better investment opps. outside of the
Indian market that you don't write about...)

Anyway, the point is, its counter-productive to ask 
someone to "desist from posting" because, as potential
investors, naive or not, more information 
is better information, and we'd like to get it.

Preeti

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1993Jan5.141344.22474@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<VAGARWAL.93Jan6160710@dis9002.shearson.com>
	<1993Jan7.035230.9731@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:11:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.035230.9731@midway.uchicago.edu> esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Path: shearson.com!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!uchinews!quads!esti
   From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
   Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System)
   Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
   Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology
   References: <VAGARWAL.93Jan4110437@dis9002.shearson.com> <1993Jan5.141344.22474@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <VAGARWAL.93Jan6160710@dis9002.shearson.com>
   Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:52:30 GMT
   Lines: 57

   Forgive me if I get any references incorrect...

   > In article <VAGARWAL.93Jan4110437@dis9002.shearson.com>
   vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com writes:

   >Take a typical application FORM in US. It asks for your race
   >(optional) as follows

   >1- White 2 - Asian 3- ...   etc. 
   >
   >Why Non-Europeans are identified by the region or
   >religion they originated from and ALL Europeans by the skin COLOR ONLY->

   rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel):

   >Well, either have the following:
   >
   >1-brown 2-blue 3-beige 4-pink 5-red 6- .....and so on
   >
   >OR
   >
   >1-British 2- German 3- Italian 4- African 5- Asian
   >
   >Does it make it clear enough?
   >
   >The Race options are given what is convenient to Europeans.
   >Do not assume anything. It is called brain wash --- "white means this and that ..."

:   I agree that such a race-based division makes little if any sense,
:   whatever the actual labels used.  However, I think you're reading in
:   false motives behind such form-questions.  Pretty much the only reason
:   the 'race' question is included, is because it's often required by the
:   federal government.  And the reason the federal government requires
:   it, by and large, is to gather statistics to see if any particular
:   race is being unfairly underrepresented (and thus, it is assumed,
:   discriminated against).

 ------------

I guess you missed the point. I have objections to statistics but be CONSISTENT.
You want to classify based on color then use the color ONLY options. However, if you
want to classify on RACE then use RACE options and do not mix and match colors and RACE
in same question.

I do not consider White or Black as a RACE. RACE would be German,French,African..etc.

--
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Virendra Agarwal
vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: East Indian vs. Asian Indian
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.215855.2218@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
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   From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
   Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System)
   Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   Organization: University of Chicago
   References: <1ht08rINNms1@agate.berkeley.edu>
   Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:58:55 GMT
   Lines: 18

>   Well, considering that I'm actually Sri Lankan, and a) it's too much
>   trouble to explain that to people who have no clue where SL is, and b)
>   mostly I'm trying to explain why I don't speak spanish even though I
>   look hispanic, I'll settle for:

>   South Asian, as opposed to East Asian.

>   I don't know about you, but the cultures throughout S. Asia seems
>   similar enough to me, that for the purposes of definition to a
>   Westerner, South Asian is fairly clear.
    ^^^^^^^^^

Looks like our frame of reference is always "Europeans or so called Westerners".
We have to somehow make it easier for them and appease them as much as we can.
During slavery, people were addressed as number 1,2...,X,Y,Z because it made it
easier for their masters "Europeans or Westerners". It is now given a mild form
by shortening or anglicizing the names to make it EASY. I did not know that
"Kornowski" is EASY since it is European. 


 

 
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Virendra Agarwal
vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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