HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com (Buffalo Bill Glazier)
Subject: CFV: comp.graphics.opengl
Followup-To: poster
Organization: sgi.com
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:55:30 GMT

GROUP:	comp.graphics.opengl

STATUS: Unmoderated

CHARTER:  This is the initial Call For Votes (CFV) on the proposed new
newsgroup comp.graphics.opengl. 

comp.graphics.opengl will allow for discussion regarding technical
and marketing issues surrounding the OpenGL 3D application programming
interface and its emergence as a multiplatform graphics standard for
distributed three dimensional graphics. 

Currently a great deal of net discussion takes place about OpenGL,
unfortunately spread out among either newsgroups which are too
general, vendor specific newsgroups, or newsgroups dedicated to
competing API's or graphics protocols.

A dedicated newsgroup will allow for:

1) Technical discussion of the OpenGL API, OpenGL Utility Library,
and GL/X Wire protocol:  Comparison versus prior releases
of the GL.  Input concerning desired enhancements or new features.
 
Programming issues and techniques.  Analysis of implementations
in different environments (Windows NT, Macintosh OS, Unix..).  Porting
to OpenGL.  

2) Marketing and Business Issues Analysis: Product plans of OpenGL
licensees.

Comparison versus other 2D and 3D graphics API's. Performance benchmarks
and competitive analysis.  

VOTING INSTRUCTIONS:


The voting period for this CFV is as follows:

    Start:  Tuesday,  September 1, 1992,  0000 GMT
    End:    Tuesday,  September 22, 1992, 0700 PST

In order to be counted, a vote must be **received** during the voting
period.

To vote, send electronic mail to:

If you wish to vote YES for comp.graphics.opengl
   - Send a message containing the words "Yes: comp.graphics.opengl"
to yes@buffalo.asd.sgi.com

If you wish to vote NO for comp.graphics.opengl
   - Send a message containing the words "No: comp.graphics.opengl"
to no@buffalo.asd.sgi.com


DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE!  POSTED VOTES WILL NOT BE COUNTED!!
Do not send your vote directly back to me! It will not be counted!
All further discussion regarding this should be posted to news.groups.


RESULTS:

Shortly after the completion of the voting period, the vote tally and the
E-mail addresses and names of the voters will be posted on
comp.graphics, comp.sys.sgi, comp.windows.x.pex, news.announce.newgroups,
and news.groups.  The tally will include a detailed listing of how
each person voted so that the results can be verified.  After 
the voting results appear there will be a 5 day
waiting period during which readers will have a chance to correct any
errors in the voting lists or the voting procedure.
-- 
Bill Glazier                            415-390-1617
bglazier@asd.sgi.com
Graphics Technology Licensing
Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.sport.misc,sfnet.harrastus.biljardi
From: jkokko@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Kokko)
Subject: RFD: rec.sport.billiards
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:59:14 GMT

This is a request for discussion regarding the creation of an
unmoderated newsgroup for discussing all cuesports in general and pool,
snooker, carambole (also known as billiards) in particular.

rec.sport.billiards  Discussions on all types of games of billiards

Proposed charter: rec.sport.billiards is a group for discussing all
types of games of billiards. Here `billiards' is in its European meaning
`a cue sport'. So this group is for discussing snooker, pool, English
billiards, three cushion billiards, one cushion billiards, Russian
pyramids, Finnish Carolina and yes! even the funny-type-of-billiard-game-
they-play-in-Italy. (Flames by email, please!)

The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups.
-- 
/jkokko // Email: Jari.Kokko@hut.fi
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.org.sca,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german,soc.history,soc.roots,alt.heraldry.sca
From: Edward Vielmetti <emv@msen.com>
Subject: RFD: comp.infosystems.* new groups
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:08:30 GMT

This is a requst for discussion for several new comp.infosystems groups.
A number of alt groups, bit groups, and mailing lists look like they
fit in the comp.infosystems hierarchy, and I'd like to move in a batch
of them.

the groups:

comp.infosystems.hypertext	- (move alt.hypertext)
comp.infosystems.edi		- (move bit.listserv.edi-l)
	EDI is Electronic Data Interchange, an ANSI standard for
	encoding and transmitting data like purchase orders, 
	invoices, requests for quotes, and things like that.
comp.infosystems.hytelnet	- (gateway mailing list) (moderated)
	The HYTELNET project (led by Peter Scott of U Saskatchewan)
	produces a catalog of systems on the internet which can be
	reached by telnet, such as library catalogs and campus information
	systems.  The data is kept in a hypertext format so that smart
	readers / clients can connect directly to the system in question
	once they've located it.  The group would be for updates and
	additions to the catalog, moderated by the current keeprs of the list.
comp.infosystems.cwis		- (move bit.listserv.cwis-l)
	CWIS is "Campus-Wide Information Systems", encompassing systems
	like Yale Enterprise, gopher, Princeton PNN, VTX, and several
	other things used to put information on line for use on campus.
	The mailing list is active and well used, this would simply
	move it to a reasonable place in the news hierarchy and 
	increase the propogation somewhat.

It looks like these might be four mega-votes, so I want to hold off until
a little bit after the new school year starts before I make an official
call.  (The hypertext one may start before that.)  Discussion on the
affected mail lists has been generally positive, so the vote is mostly
to spread the word a little bit wider out.

thanks,

--Ed
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.europe
From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Subject: CFV: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: gnuplot-vote@uiuc.edu (Gnuplot Vote)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:17:12 GMT

This is a Call For Votes (CFV) for the comp.graphics.gnuplot newsgroup.
The newsgroup would be unmoderated and its charter is given below.

To vote *for* the creation of comp.graphics.gnuplot, reply to
gnuplot-vote@uiuc.edu with either of the following:
        1) A subject of "Yes"
        2) Text of "I vote for the group comp.graphics.gnuplot".

To vote *against* the creation of comp.graphics.gnuplot, reply to
gnuplot-vote@uiuc.edu with either of the following:
        1) A subject of "No"
        2) Text of "I vote against the group comp.graphics.gnuplot".

The voting period will be from Tue 01 Sep 1992 through Tue 22 Sep 1992.

The document "Guidelines for USENET Group Creation" is available by
anonymous `ftp' to pit-manager.mit.edu (18.172.1.27) as the file
/pub/usenet/news.groups/How_to_Create_a_New_Newsgroup.

Let the vote begin!
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NAME:   comp.graphics.gnuplot

CHARTER:
1) This group is for the discussion of the GNUPLOT plotting program by
   developers and users.
2) This group will be gatewayed with a mailing list (if someone volunteers
   to maintain it).
3) An FAQ list will be maintained.
4) GNUPLOT is a command-driven interactive function plotting program which:
   a) Plots data or functions
   b) Has been tested on Unix, VMS, MSDOS, MS-Windows, OS/2, Amiga, and
      Atari platforms
   c) Supports many different graphics devices
   d) Is authored by Thomas Williams, Colin Kelley, Russell Lang,
      Dave Kotz, John Campbell, Gershon Elber, and many others
   e) Is not part of the GNU project.

STATUS: Unmoderated
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Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights,alt.abortion.inequity,misc.legal
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Subject: RFD: misc.legal.family moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:08:39 GMT

RFD: misc.legal.family (moderated)

PROPOSAL: This group would exist to provide a forum for people with an
interest in the family law system. eg: Divorce, Support, Custody, Visit-
ation, Paternity, and Dependency as they pertain to current existing law.

While some groups do exist in which sporadic discussion of these issues
occurs, too often the information value is lost to conversation which
turns to theory, opinion, and expressions of frustration. 

THE GROUP IS NOT SUGGESTED AS AN AVENUE OF LEGAL ADVICE. Instead it is
intended to provide legal information, and/or experiential information
which people can use to learn about the system(s) as they apply to a
particular state, or to the country. 

No perspectives would be favored; the existing groups which sometimes
attempt discussion of these issues have a leaning towards a particular
gender or outlook. misc.legal.family would foster no such favoritisms.

The group is proposed as moderated in an attempt to maintain an atmos-
phere of calm tansferral of information.

Expected topics would include (but aren't limited to):

general expectations of a divorce action
general occurrances in a contested custody action
general parameters of dependency
general parameters of dependency
obtaining unpaid child support
obtaining ordered visitation
finding an appropriate attorney
general citations of state laws on topics in the threads

Some discussions on this proposed group have sporadically appeared in
alt.child-support and alt.dads-rights --originally, the suggestion was
to create it as an alt group. However, the consensus of supporters
believe that since it deals in general legality (as in misc.legal), it
should be a part of the misc.legal sub-hierarchy.

Comments and suggestions regarding misc.legal.family should be posted
to news.groups, or mailed to bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us. Please indicate
in any e-mail message if you'd like it forwarded into news.groups.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.sysv286,comp.unix.sysv386
From: furrjk@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel K. Furr)
Subject: RFD: misc.communication.speech
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Virginia Tech
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:17:35 GMT

This is a Request for Discussion on a newsgroup to discuss aspects of
speech communication, oratory, and public speaking.  As a member of
Toastmasters International, I am very interested in discussing effective
speech communication, but I see no newsgroups out there that would be
an appropriate place for such discussions.  I have tried in various ones
and received some email but most of it was 'take it out of this group,
there's got to be a more appropriate place'.

Hence I'd like to see if there's any interest in a public speaking
newsgroup.  I would have liked to propose the name misc.public-speaking
but that's too long, by one character.  misc.publicspeaking sounds odd
to me.  I'd like comment on the appropriate name for this newsgroup,
if any, and I'd also like to know if there is sufficient interest.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.misc,comp.databases.oracle
From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Subject: MAILING LIST: siege engineering
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:59:37 GMT

			SIEGE MAILING LIST
		   (Plan, hopes and dreams....)

	The siege mailing list is intended for the discussion of
pre-black powder methods of attack and defence of fortified positions. 
While the discussion of the downfall of the great siege engines caused
by the advent of portable, and powerful cannons, is important, I would
like this to be somewhat minimized.

	My thoughts is that this would be used to discuss the myriad of
topics applicable.

	Physics			Mechanics
	Materials		Construction
	Transportation		Terminology
	Historic evidence of use  - Manuscripts
				  - Texts
				  - Archaeological data

	Historical reconstruction
	Common myths, and misconceptions
	and so on.


	I would also like to be able to compile a database of books,
references, and data for later use.

	
	I would like to ask all who wish to participate, to try to
re-define the commonly (incorrectly) used words such as catapult and ballista.


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To get onto the siege mailing list, just follow these real simple
directions.... hey, I got them right!  

Send mail to :    siege-request@bransle.ucs.mun.ca
and include a single line saying:

subscribe siege <your name here>

That's it!

Then to mail to siege simply mail your articles to:
siege@bransle.ucs.mun.ca

Don't forget, "i" before "e" except after "c".  :)

The affairs of the list will be archived on the FTP site at
bransle.ucs.mun.ca. Simply FTP in, give "anonymous" as a userID
and your full address as the password.

The archive will be under
 /pub/sca/siege.current  (current for the month)
 /pub/sca/siege.<date>	 (monthly archive)

Actually, there's a whole lot of good stuff there, so you might want to
look around anyways...!
-- 
Sebastian/Andrew Smith
amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Xref: sparky news.test:4 talk.politics.china:802
From: m3540@melsun0.mel.go.jp (Takeshi Nakada)
Newsgroups: news.test,talk.politics.china
Subject: test (In n)
Keywords: test
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:55:29 GMT
Followup-To: S
Organization: Mechanical Engineering Laboratory, AIST, MITI.


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From: anselmo@nic.near.net (Ed Anselmo)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: thanks for help with c-news
Date: 31 Aug 1992 09:48:56 -0400
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
	<1992Aug28.125508.29885@osf.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.near.net
In-reply-to: rsalz@osf.org's message of Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:55:08 GMT

>>If anyone is aware of any concerns I should have installing INN on SunOS,
>>please let me know.
>The INN reference platform is SunOS4.1 non-Posix.

If you're running INN under SunOS 4.1.1, be sure to install patch
100293-01.  This is mentioned in the Install docs.

Patch-ID# 100293-01
Keywords: write, ufs, syscall, system, call, returning, eintr
Synopsis: SunOS 4.1.1: write system call is returning EINTR
Date: 10-May-91 
 
SunOS release: 4.1.1 
 
Topic: ufs system call EINTR 
 
BugId's fixed with this patch: 1052649 

Architectures for which this patch is available: sun4 sun4c

Patches which may conflict with this patch: 

Obsoleted by: 

Problem Description: 
different return from write function from 4.1 to 4.1.1.
SIGALRM  ITIMER_REAL
What happens is that on 4.1 the kernel restarts the write(2) call. In
4.1.1 the kernel returns EINTR.  

Xref: sparky news.sysadmin:1238 news.admin:7260
From: sjr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Stephen J. Roznowski)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin
Subject: Archive software
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:43:15 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

I've been archiving several newsgroups and I am now faced with
directories that have hundreds of "number" files. Does anyone
have software that will process the archive directories and
do something reasonable with the stuff that is in there?

Ideally, I'd like something that looks at the "References" fields
and puts threads into files with the "subject" names.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks,
-- 
Stephen J. Roznowski	(sjr@afterlife.ncsc.mil)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Subject: Re: thanks for help with c-news
Reply-To: rsalz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: INN software support
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:55:08 GMT

In <1992Aug27.133542.35925@uservx.plk.af.mil> rokosz@uservx.plk.af.mil writes:
>     Thanks for the response, but one of our consultants strongly suggested
>that I try installing InterNetNews instead of c-news, so I'll be installing it.
Give that consultant a bonus. :-)

More seriously, if you don't have multiple (fast) incoming NNTP feeds,
the primary advantage of INN over C News+the NNTP reference implementation
is that it is only one package.

>If anyone is aware of any concerns I should have installing INN on SunOS,
>please let me know.
The INN reference platform is SunOS4.1 non-Posix.
	/r$
From: zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Zaphiris Christidis)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: alt.ethnic-war
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:13:42 GMT
Organization: Temple University, CIS Dept.

In article <7184@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes
>                                                                               
> Unfortunately, Karl Denninger _was_ his postmaster. He's now using a site hung
> off of michigan.com, run by that paragon of net.admin.cooperation, John       
> Palmer. Karl was reasonable about things; Palmer hasn't ever been reasonable  
> about anything at all having to do with Usenet. 

Indeed. Karl is very reasolable about things, and has certain guidelines on
his site. If somebody ignores them, then his contract is invalidated
and the person looses the subscription and hence his account on his systems.
This is what I call good business on his part. However, if anybody checks 
the newsgroup alt.fan.pohn-palmer newgroups, will find out the opposite :).
His site is unaccessible since Aug 4, and the phone service through his 
systems is terminated.  He has admitted that Michigan network systems is
out of business. Unverified sources claim that he has filed for chapter 11.
                              
> >So why isn't Mutlu shutting up ? He's been flamed enough. Maybe it's time    
> >to escalate. All negotiations have been met with threats and verbal abuse.   
>                                                                               
> Good luck. Going to his sysadmin will be useless, and Palmer's upstream site  
> has in the past wimped out on cutting him off for good and sufficient reason. 

Well, it seems that this has gone out of the control of J. Palmer. It seems
that Mutlu has purchased some services from Palmer, and he has given him 
the node "anadolu.michigan.com". Now that Palmer is out, there are a lot of
scenarios on how mutlu keeps feeding his stuff in Usenet. One of it, is 
that he can still operate as his own UUCP cite, redirecting mail through
other nodes to be delivered at 'usenet-post@ucbvax.berkeley.edu'. I 
happened to see some computer logs from @anatolia.mn.org (A single user there
had forged e-mail with my user-id and node). Mutlu's traffic goes through
that system and gets delivered at ucbvax. I think the cross posting anonymous
facility of ucbvax, ought to be terminated, and only the single-newgroup
posting alias should remain. However, this is another story.
 
> --                                                                            
> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can    
> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.     
>   "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer      
                                                                                


-- 
Zaphiris D. Christidis,
From: tuttle@deshaw.com (MacKenzie Tuttle)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Unique Job Opportunity
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:33:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.
Originator: tuttle@sun21

WANTED:

SUPERSTAR HACKER TO HEAD OUR SYSTEMS TEAM
                  

D. E. Shaw & Co. is a small, young, highly capitalized, extremely
successful Wall Street firm specializing in quantitative finance and
computational trading.  We are looking to hire Systems Programmers to
join a select team of software engineers involved in building
state-of-the-art computer systems that trade billions of dollars worth
of securities.

NOTE: We are _not_ a typical financial firm.  We are a group of
financial hackers out to beat the market.  We do not wear suits and
ties.

Potential six-figure salary for Head of Systems.  Extremely well
compensated junior positions are available as well.

The successful candidate will have strong knowledge of SunOS, UNIX, C, and
various distributed and networked environments.  Four or more years
experience in systems programming or administration, and an
undergraduate or graduate degree in Computer Science or a related
field, is required.

Responsibilities, depending on the position, include building
distributed real-time applications and designing, supporting, and
enhancing our networked computing environment.  It is our practice to
compensate unusually gifted individuals at a level exceeding that of
the market. Applicants are encouraged to forward their resumes in
confidence to:

				  MacKenzie Tuttle
				  D. E. Shaw & Co.
				  Tower 45, 39th Floor
				  120 West 45th Street
				  New York, NY  10036

				  email: recruiting@deshaw.com
				  Fax: (212) 478-0101

-- 
Mackenzie Tuttle		D. E. Shaw & Co., New York, NY
tuttle@deshaw.com		(212)478-0000
From: woody@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk (Ian Woodrow)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: News articles not expiring
Keywords: `
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:31:27 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Service

I seem to be having a problem with articles not being purged.   My explist file
looks like this:-





# note that the order of lines in this file is significant

# hold onto history lines 14 days, nobody gets >45 days

/expired/			x	14	-
/bounds/			x	0-1-45	-

# override later defaults for some groups of note
udcf,gla,local    		x	7	-

# big non-tech groups held long enough for a long weekend
sci,rec,talk,soc,misc,alt	x	4	-

# real noise gets thrown away fast
news.groups			x	2	-
junk                  		x	2	-

# default:  7 days and archive
all				x	7	-





BUT as an example,  there are some articles in alt/binaries/pictures/misc
dated July 6th... not to mention other old articles in other news groups -
ALL taking up precious space.

Shouldn't these alt ones have gone after 4 days ?   Is my explist file OK or
is there something wrong with it ?   There is no explicit expiry date in the
header of the articles.



-- 
W@@DY_______________________________________________________________________
 /Ian Woodrow, Computing Service, Uni of Glasgow, GLASGOW G12 8QQ, Scotland \
*  <Dog 'n' Bone:  041-330-4800         | e-mail: woody@udcf.gla.ac.uk>      *
 \__________ FAX:__041-330-4808_____________________________________________/
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: alt.ethnic-war
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:40:56 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.002731.4936@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>>I think Spiros' comments about Mutlu are appropriate, also. I have spoken
>>to both him and his postmaster, Karl, and while I think Karl Denninger
>>agrees that news.admin is not the place [...]

>Unfortunately, Karl Denninger _was_ his postmaster. He's now using a site hung
>off of michigan.com, run by that paragon of net.admin.cooperation, John
>Palmer. Karl was reasonable about things; Palmer hasn't ever been reasonable
>about anything at all having to do with Usenet.

So I've heard.

I *did* notice that Mutlu was posting from another site ...

-- richard

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