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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Mallet / Compound (Was: Re: High Speed Rail Query)
Date: 4 Nov 92 13:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


COMPOUNDS

Lopsided compounds with a high pressure cylinder on one
side and a low pressure cylinder on the other were not
uncommon in the U.S. in the late 19th century.  They
were usually called Vulcain Cross Compounds, after Sam
Vulcain (sp?) of the Baldwin Locomotive Works who 
pushed the design.  I don't know what their technical
problems were, but most were rebuilt to simples after
the turn of the century.

~S
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From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Condensors and turbines (Was: Re: compound locos (was Re: High Speed Rail Query))
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:02:46 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University
Distribution: world
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In article <2814@tymix.Tymnet.COM> romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)  
writes:
> In article <urf.721208138@sw2001> urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
> >smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> >
> >>Has anyone ever tried building a locomotive that tried to recondense
> >>water from the steam?  It would seem that a closed cycle would be
> >
> >Certainly. There must be lots of examples I don't know about, but
> >the one I think of now is the North American class of turbines. It
> >was not successful, due to the complexity of the condensor system.
> >
> 
> What do you mean by "the North American class of turbines"?
> 
> The Pennsylvania Railroad as well as the Chesapeake and Ohio
> Railroad had steam turbine locomotives. Pennsy had a single
> example, and I believe C&O had one or two examples. The
> Pennsy and C&O engines were very different, the Pennsy being
> direct (gear) drive and the C&O being turbine/electric.
> 
> In no sense did these locos comprise a "class", that term
> being restricted in railroad parlance to groups of similar
> engines on a given railroad.
> 
> In any case, the Pennsy turbine, class S-2, did not have a
> condenser. Exhaust steam was vented to the atmosphere.
> 
> The Pennsy S-2 was not successful, however the reason had
> nothing to do with "the complexity of the condensor (sic) system".
> Rather the difficulty was that the turbine required too much
> maintenance working in the 'dirty' environment of the coal
> dust, ashes, roadway dirt, etc. The engine otherwise met
> its ambitious design goals in terms of performance, efficiency
> of fuel use, etc.
> 
> I have no information regarding the success/failure of the
> C&O turbine(s), perhaps this is the loco which failed due
> to the condenser.
> 
Union Pacific had some steam turbines in the 40's.  They operated as
closed systems and it was the condenser system in part that led to
their not becoming popular with the UP.  

-Bill
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From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: U.S. railroad maps ( was RE: California State Railroad Map)
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:45:05 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

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From: terryfry@access.digex.com (Terry Fry)
Subject: Re: Stupid People (Grade crossings)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:58:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.165118.15090@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> wadams@spitz.ECE.CMU.EDU (William Adams) writes:
>      A bit off the subject, but what's the deal with the "cow-catcher"
>on locomotives today?  Are there still giant unfenced herds in the
>west that require their use.  If so, why haven't herders made a big
>fuss over their cattle getting plowed?  Or is there cow-insurance that
>covers such train mishaps?  
>
>      I would appreciate answers concerning the current need for 
>"cow-catchers".

The only thing that I see here in Virginia that would look like a cow
catcher on the front of NS equipment is a snowplow.

Is that what your calling a cow catcher (it sorta does look like one)?
From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Condensors and turbines (Was: Re: compound locos (was Re: High Speed Rail Query))
Date: 12 Nov 1992 04:10:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
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In a previous article, bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) says:

>In article <2814@tymix.Tymnet.COM> romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)  
>writes:

>> The Pennsylvania Railroad as well as the Chesapeake and Ohio
>> Railroad had steam turbine locomotives. Pennsy had a single
>> example, and I believe C&O had one or two examples. The
>> Pennsy and C&O engines were very different, the Pennsy being
>> direct (gear) drive and the C&O being turbine/electric.
>> 
>> I have no information regarding the success/failure of the
>> C&O turbine(s), perhaps this is the loco which failed due
>> to the condenser.

  If this is what I'm thinking of, you're referring to C&O 500-502, the 
Baldwin/Westinghouse coal-fired steam turbines.  They were built in 1946 and
were designed for passenger service.  I get this information from the _Second
Diesel Spotter's Guide_ page BLW-320.  It says they were rated at 6000 hp at
6000 rpm, but that they were unsuccessful and were scrapped in 1950.  
Appearancewise, about the closest equivalent is a white whale with a tender.
  On the opposite page is N&W's Westinghouse coal-fired steam turbine #2300, 
the "Jawn Henry."  Built in 1954 for freight service, it was supposed to be 
an "improvement" over the C&O units.  Apparently, it wasn't that much better, 
as it only lasted until 1958.

>Union Pacific had some steam turbines in the 40's.  They operated as
>closed systems and it was the condenser system in part that led to
>their not becoming popular with the UP.  

  These were GE steam turbine electrics #1-2 (turning now to page GE-202).  
They were built in 1939 as "the answer to steam and the alternative to 
diesel," but they had several problems, most of which I don't remember at 
present; problems like not enough steam from the boilers or inadequate cooling.
They demonstrated on UP, NYC, and NP, but were scrapped in 1942,
probably because for the war effort they were more valuable as scrap iron
than as locomotives.  Had they been successful, one wonders how they would
have compared in competition with the FT's. 

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From: sou4501@sage.cc.purdue.edu (***** Tim Trebing *****)
Subject: Challenger Schedule
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:15:18 GMT

A schedule of the dates that the UP Challenger was running for the Santa Claus
specials was posted here earlier, along with dates of the return trip to
Cheyenne.  I seemed to have lost it, if anyone has these dates, I would
appreciate if you would post/mail them to me.

Thanks,
Tim Trebing
From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Condensors and turbines (Was: Re: compound locos (was Re: High Speed Rail Query))
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:35:38 GMT
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.

smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

>Has anyone ever tried building a locomotive that tried to recondense
>water from the steam?  It would seem that a closed cycle would be
>of great interest, given how quickly steam engines need to refill
>their water tanks.

Certainly. There must be lots of examples I don't know about, but
the one I think of now is the North American class of turbines. It
was not successful, due to the complexity of the condensor system.
The only other class of turbines I know of who reached service was
successful because it dit not try to reuse the water.

There's still one of them in runnable condition here in Sweden. It
is amazing to hear, or rather _not_ hear, as they are almost completely
silent.
--
 Urban Fredriksson   urf@icl.se  (n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)
 I wonder if there is a universe where washing machines give away socks?
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Slowing down on the NEC
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 14:40:49 EST
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems

If the train happens to be on track 3 or 4 (the two outside/platform tracks
they will slow down) even the commuter trains slow down at Stamford.
They have been doing a lot of track work on the north side of Stamford
station and there have been many slow orders around there.

The Peck bridge in Bridgport is in pretty sad shape, it has been moving
downstream somehow and they had to put these huge buttresses in the
water to try and slow its movement.  This bridge is supposed to be
replaced real soon now.  The story is that there will be a temporary
bridge built on one side of it and the old one torn down, then a newer
and wider bridge will be built to replace it, and the temp bridge taken
down.

Robert
From: farrell@esd77.enet.dec.com (Joe Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Public Forum on Worcester(MA)'s Union Station
Keywords: Preservation
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:42:41 GMT
Reply-To: farrell@esd77.enet.dec.com (Joe Farrell)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation




 Preservation Worcester will be presenting a public forum on the pros/cons
of restoration of Union Station, built around the turn of the century.  The
station, currently in disrepair is one of the few 'large scale' rr stations
remaining in the North East.

 The forum will be on 11/18//92 at the Tatnuck Booksellers & Sons, The
Marketplace, 335 Chandler Street, in Worcester.  The forum runs from 7:00pm
- 8:30pm.  For more information, contact Preservation Worcester at:

	(508) 754-8760


Joe Farrell
Digital Equipment Corp.
333 South Street
Shr03
Shrewsbury,Ma.
From: jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Paul Togyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Misspelling of "Amtrak" (was Re: Metroliners)
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:08:02 GMT
	<1992Nov5.153416.3425@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've heard of Amshacks, and I've heard buffs refer to NRPC at Amtrash...

But are all these puns "Amcracks?"  I guess when some dolt drives in
front of a passenger train at a railroad crossing, he has an "Amcrash."

Please don't take offense at my remarks.  I'd hate to get "Amflack."


--Jason Togyer
     Carnegie Institute of Technology
     Pittsburgh, Penn.

**"The moral of the story is: don't count your boobies before they've hatched."
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            'THE UNICORN IN THE GARDEN'
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Southern Tier line used for Amtrak
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Has anyone heard anything about Amtrak running through Binghamton, NY?  I
heard a while back that they were thinking of putting some passenger service
through there from NYC to possibly Buffalo and points west.  Anyone know if
this is still in the works?  Would be great, I think.

mark foggin
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: Stupid People (Grade crossings)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:44:30 GMT

harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>
>I witnessed a really stupid thing at another crossing in Huntsville.
>Traffic was backed up past a train crossing.  One stupid driver had
>pulled up past the crossing gate, but not onto the tracks.  As the
>train approached, the lights started to flash and the bell sounded.
>The gate came down, but stopped when it was about 30 degrees from
>horizontal, as if it sensed the presence of the car.  The driver didn't
>move, even though several cars behind her backed up to allow plenty of
>room.  The gate went up and down about 10 degrees twice, as if to say
>"get the hell out of the way *now*!".  Still the driver didn't move.
>Finally, the gate came crashing down on the hood of the car.  Only
>then did the driver decide to back up, with the gate scraping a
>generous amount of paint from her car and smashing the hood ornament.
>

A very interesting warning system -- progressively more intense:

 -- regular lights on
 -- gate waving a few times
 -- gate hitting top of car resulting in scrape damage
 -- train hitting car resulting in much more damage

Of course the intention is to try to have a subject "become aware"
of the situation in an early a step as possible.  There will always
be some people dense enough to require the last step and the second
last step, but at least someone had enough brains to design the second
step for the benefit of people too dense for the first but not quite
dense enough to require the third.

There of course is a natural "freeze" function in many people who are
not pressed into quick-thinking emergency situations enough.  Here in
Canada, it is the law to "pull right and stop" for emergency vehicles,
but this must be bent or broken when common sense dictates otherwise.
Between people taking this too literally and the "freeze" function,
all too often a more dangerous situation is created, whether it be an
emergency vehicle or a train.


Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE          |     MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute    |
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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: U.S. railroad maps
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:12:26 GMT

>>	How about the RAND-MCNALLY RAILROAD ATLAS.
>>Sadly, I was in a Rand McNally map store the other day and was told
>>that this atlas is out of print, and not due for an update.

It's not in Rand McNally's catalogue either, which I just got in the
mail a few days ago, and they even have a railroad page there with
some videos and stuff.  They -do- show a very large map, about 3 feet
by 5 feet I think, of US railroads, which according to the description
shows railroad names, all junctions, etc.  The catalogue picture is
too small to judge what this is like but it does have inset maps for
the crowded areas.  Has anyone seen this one?  

--Joe Brennan
From: nickels@berlioz.nsc.com (Karen Gore)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Great Little Railways
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:14:35 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

Channel 9 in the Bay Area is showing Great Little Railways
Nov 9-12 at 11pm or 11:30pm. Check your TV guide.

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From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Stupid People (Grade crossings)
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:55:19 EST
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <ellens-061192132017@47.220.2.151>, ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens) writes:
> In article <16896AD4B.R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu>, R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu
> wrote:
>> 
>> This is just a complaint about the stupid people we all hear about.
>> Last night's late news had a lovely picture of a car cut in half
>> by a freight train.  That's the third I've heard about this week
>> in northern Ohio.  What is it about flashing lights, gates, and
>> a locomotive that weighs more than they can imagine that these
>> people don't understand?
>>  
>> Okay, I feel better - had to vent my speen somewhere!
>> Thanks
>> -Bob
> 
> Stupidity seems to be the only explanation. An article in the Ottawa
> Citizen entitled "Train crash rate puzzles experts"  cites a Transport
> Canada survey which revealed that 75% of drivers polled thought the maximum
> speed of trains was less than 80 k/h (50mph). And - get this - a full 20%
> blamed crossing accidents on the train! Judging from the evidence in this
> thread, I don't think this stupidity is unique to Canada!
> 
> Chris Ellens     /  My Canada includes: Every bitching, whining    /
> ellens@bnr.ca    /  province, aboriginal, feminist, minority, and  /
>                  /  special interest group.                        /
If everybody was like me, these types of accidents wouldn't occur.  If I see
a headlight, I turn around and wait to see the train :^)

Jeff
From: wmc@pnet51.orb.mn.org (William Cordes)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Misspelling of "Amtrak" (was Re: Metroliners)
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:06:50 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.


        The original name was to be "Railpax" (rail passenger), but there was
a trdemark/copyright conflict.

        Just call it "Anthrax" -- the great American plague! <GRIN!>

                        WmC
 

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From: eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Railroad Computer program...
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:35:59 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN) writes:

> In article <1992Nov5.111255.8177@walter.cray.com> rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy L
> >  I was looking back through some old magazines and
> >I saw this in the September 1984, Model Railroader
> >page 131, lower right corner.
> >
> >Does anyone have any knowledge of it, or if the company
> >is in existence. If anyone does have an Apple][ copy, I
> >would be interested in it. If no one answers, I will
> >give the telephone number a call, but if someone in
> >the U.S (maybe Pittsburg?) wants to try first I
> >would appreciate it. It looks to good to be true but
> >then again, it could be just the thing to learn how
> >to dispatch? It's probably long gone..............
> >
> >*************************************************
> > "Be the Train Dispatcher"
> >
> >  Play this fast-paced computer video game that's so
> >true-to-life that a major railroad indicated they use
> >it in dispatcher training.
> >
>  .
>  .
>  .
> >
> >SEND TO: Signal Computer Consultants, LTD.
> >         P.O Box 18222
> >         Pittsburg, PA   15236
> >         (412) 655-7727
> >*************************************************
> 
>  I think I saw an add for something like this in a more recient
> magazine, but the mag was a few years old. If the game is in existance
> for the Mac I would be rather interested myself.
> 
>  By the way, there are a couple of shareware-hypercard trainsets
> floating around out there. Kinda cute toys. 
> 
> 
> 
>     r++-----------,---,-------------.            Benn Coifman 
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>   / o-o  (*) (*)  o :  o-o-o   o-o-o      zephyr@robotics.berkeley.edu
> 
> 


I happen to be a legitimate owner of Railroad Dispatcher, and have had it 
for quite a few years.  However, my version is for the PC.  A couple of 
years ago, the company closed down due to lack of sales.  I haven't the 
vaguest idea where you might obtain new copies anymore.  Signal may be 
still there in Pittsburgh, but I know that I received quite a bit of 
literature when they were trying to clear out their inventory.


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From: georglin@leland.Stanford.EDU (george lin)
Subject: Re: Hopping trains for a ride
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:41:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.203511.2411@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>Last time this subject came up, someone here recommended ``Rolling
>Nowhere'', by Ted Conover, an account by a yuppie of some time he
>spent hopping trains.  I commend this book to anyone contemplating
>the practice.


He was no yuppie.  At the time, he was a senior at Amherst College.  Hoboing
was the topic of his anthropology thesis.

"Good Company"  by Doug Harper is another useful volume.  Harper is a
tenured sociologist who rode with the boes.
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From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Subject: German train schedules: Frankfurt to Dusseldorf
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:34:58 GMT

Anybody familiar with DB rail schedules, I need schedule/fare information for
service between the Frankfurt airport and Dusseldorf.  My mother is attending a  
conference in Dusseldorf and does not want to rent a car, she will be arriving  
on a morning flight from Washington Dullus to Frankfurt arriving at 7:30 AM ...  
on Monday November 30, any information about morning schedules and fares will  
be appreciated.
From: ianking@nnsgs52.lon40.nt.com (Ian King)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: aus.rail update & newsgroup fragmentation
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:37:48 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
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Subject: Re: aus.rail update

David Bromage (brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: 
: I think these results speak for themselves.
: 
: Kind regards to you all
: David Bromage

So now all of the Oz stuff goes in an aus.rail newsgroup which I may not
be able to read.

OK here's an idea. Lets have uk.rail.nse, uk.rail.ic, uk.rail.rfd, uk.rail.scotrail,
uk.rail.abb, uk.rail.brml, uk.rail.signal, uk.rail.lms, uk.rail.gwr , uk.rail.sr,
uk.rail.lner, uk.rail.channeltunnel, uk.rail.whateverelse. Then myself, Richard
Porter, Dave Kennard, Clive Feather, Ken Johnson and a few others could have our own
newgroups. Of course nobody else is interested in British railways outside of the UK so
it doesnt matter that the amount of traffic couldnt justify the extra number of newsgroups.
Of course I'm not interested in all those foreign railways (what do they call them.. oh
yes "railroads") and I dont like the name of the the existing newsgroup anyway. It should
be rec.railway.( All said sarcastically).

Of course I dont really believe anything in the above paragraph. But I hope you all
see my meaning. I might be a lone voice in the wilderness, but I just dont see why
we should fragment the railway interest. If we had a newsgroup with 250 articles
a day like say comp.os.os2.misc then maybe we should split it. But we get no where
near that level of traffic (20 a day) so why fragment our interest? Newsreaders
these days have a key called k for kill article/thread. And yes I do pay to receive
the rec.railroad newgroup at amicro ie I download it..

Answers on a postcard to..... :-)

Regards........
..............Ian

OOPs I nearly forgot... rec.rail.video.wolvertonrail :-)

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