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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: SPOILER Re: Blowing up the Borg (was Re: Mistake in Borg episode)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:28:15 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <1992Oct13.130217.3120@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>> |> >I just thought of a way that they could've blown up the Borg ship! Since
>> |> >the Enterprise crew were allowed to beam aboard the Borg ship, why couldn't
>> |> >they have beamed a few photon torpedoes on-board the the Borg ship, & then
>> |> >blown it up from the inside? I'm sure someone will think of a reason why 
>> |> >this wouldn't work, but I say it would have done it!
>> |> 
>> |> Antimatter doesn't transport well in large quantities, and this
>> |> is what photon torpedoes use to cause damage.
>> |> 
>> But wait,
>> Isn't this how Scotty handled the Kobiashi Maru simulation?  I thought
>> he transported photon torpedoes to the locations where the Klingon
>> shields over lapped and therefore were at their weakest.
>
>Also, wasn't there a program in TOS that Kirk and Spock beamed down
>with antimatter to kill off some kind of mist-creature?  Photon
>torpedoes are just little bits of antimatter (I think).
>-- 
For that matter, there was an issue of the Star Trek comic (not canon, i
know) where Kirk is under attack by a Klingon vessel.It fires a photon
torpedo at the Enterprise and Kirk orders the transporters to lock on
and beam it behind the klingon ship. Worked to.

For those wondering it was issue #3 of the most recent Star trek comic.
Written by PAD if I'm not mistaken. Someone questioned him about it and
he said (again, this is from memmory) that he had checked it out and the
people in charge of little details like this said it was possible.

Of course, the problem with using this trick is that it would only work
once. The Borg would catch on and their shields would prevent future
uses of this method. Interesting idea  though.

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: barclay and scotty! (spoiler)
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:19:51 EST

> >I disagree! They said something about how they couldn't have him in
> >stasis for longer than xx seconds (I don't remember, about 30 or
> >45 seconds), and then there was the big panic about getting him back
> >in time. When I saw that, I wondered how they were going to explain
> >Scotty's being in stasis for so long.
>
> In the TNG Technical Manual, it states that a person can be held in
> transporter stasis for only 5 minutes without serious image degredation.
> In "Realm of Fear", Geordi explains that in about 30 seconds, he might
> start to feel dizzy.
 
But remember, Scotty did some fancy rewiring to keep the signal boosted
and reduce the degradation.  Besides, only one of the two
survived, indicating that it was a chance that didn't work out.
What else were they supposed to do? Starve?
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: About Scotty's Return...
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:12:23 EDT

In article <ewright.719090263@convex.convex.com>
ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
 
>
>In <MERLYN.92Oct14094543@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>
>>Nope.  Not *necessarily* McCoy in EaF.
>
>>All we know is that there were a lot of things that were McCoy-like
>>(country-doctor style, fear of transporters, age, knew someone like
>>Data once, etc.)
>
>We know a few more things also: that he served aboard a ship called
>Enterprise (which, given the character's age, would just about have
>to be the TOS Enterprise), served with a Vulcan, spoke with McCoy's
>southern accent, and was a dead ringer (accounting for age) for
>Leonard McCoy.
>
>Then there's the external evidence. Gene Roddenberry thought he
>was McCoy, Deforrest Kelly thought he was McCoy; GR persuaded Kelly
>to do the cameo role as a personal favor to provide a "bridge"
>between the two series, which wouldn't make sense if the character
>*wasn't* McCoy.
>
>How much evidence do you need, how big a two-by-four do they have
>to hit you with, before you draw the obvious conclusion?
>
 
   A lot of the problems arise because the age "McCoy" is given in
"Encounters at Farside" (about 130 years old) does not seem to fit
in with the post Trek VI timeline as stated in the Technical Manual
and "Unification."  I vote for the side that McCoy's age in
"Encounters at Farside" was a continuity error.  It's much too poetic
not to be otherwise... [or to quote a quote from a math textbook,]
 
   "My work always tried to unite the truth with the beautiful; but
when I had to choose one or the other, I usually chose the beautiful."
         ....Hermann Weyl
 
                Junsok Yang
From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Silly Thought on "Man of the People"
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:55:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu

Was I the only one expecting at the end for them to put the ambassador's
"magic rocks" into the vault in the Curious Goods shop?

Basically, the only thing about the plot which I liked was that it reminded
me a lot of those "Friday the 13th" episodes.

Felix Ling
--
   Pulaski walked to the Turboshaft doors, stepped in, and plummeted down
ninety-nine floors, yelling, "Dammit, Jean-Luc!  I'm a doctor, not a
skydiver!"
She landed with a resounding thump and croaked, "I've fallen, and I can't get
up!"
   "She's dead, Jean-Luc," announced Dr. Beverly Crusher.
                                -excerpt from "Still Looking for Things"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Troi's Rank (was Re: "Yes, Ma'am."...)
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:53:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.045320.13747@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill  
Poitras) writes:
> There was an episode that pegs Counselor Troi as a Lt. Commander.   
In
> this episode every one on the Enterprise loses thier memory, as  
does the
> ship's computers.  One of the few things recoverable from the  
computer
> was the bridge crew roster.  The roster lists Troi as a Lt.  
Commander.
> Then again, Riker was listed as second officer, so the alien who  
was
> trying to use the Enterprise to attack his people's enemies, was  
first
> officer.  So it might have been a mistake.  Then again she may have
> actual rank.  Anyone want to clarify this?

Don't remember the episode name: Troi and several others are trapped  
on the bridge and needed to decide whether or not to seperate the  
saucer section because they are losing anti-matter containment and  
communications to engineering are out.  Ensign Rho immediately tried  
to take over, but someone (O'Brien?) pointed out that Troi was  
ranking officer--I believe Lt. Commander was the rank mentioned.

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From: ikos@netcom.com (Ikos)
Subject: Re: Relics, Spoilers HO!
Summary: Q comment ":->"
Keywords: Dyson sphere, Q
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:20:11 GMT

Without much adieu, the spoiler protection character:


Felix Ling writes:

>>>      How would something like that have been built?  It was just waaaaay too
>>>      out there.
>Someone like Q could just snap his fingers to make it appear.  Seems
>reasonable that someone a bit below Q could build the thing.

But I can just picture Q building a Dyson's Sphere for someone...

	... and put it around an unstable star.

-Jeff Chan
	jeff@ikos.com (*not* ikos@netcom.com)
	..!netcom!ikos!jeff

"What do you call huge?  On the Ringworld?"- Larry Niven, Ringworld Engineers
From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:03:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Originator: wombat@pepsi.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Oct8.190133.4557@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.214128.857@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>>Just a little preliminary survey.
>>How many here get the feeling that this
>>episode where Scotty returns is not going
>>to be to good?
>
>Count one.

Subtract one.  That makes zero. (-: (Isn't this fun?)
>
>At least they kept it to one hour this time.

Another good thing, there's not *nearly* as much hype for this as for
"Unification."  Expectations aren't as high, so hopefully it ends up 
surprising a lot of people.  

>
>>That means that 3 out of the 1st 4 episodes
>>are not very good 
>
>Personally, I'd call it 0 for 4.

What?  You gave "Realm of Fear" a C, did you not?  I'd think you'd be 
singing in the aisles with a grade like that.  (-:

>>AND we haven't even gotten to
>>the inevitable child oriented shows.
>

Shhhh....be quiet.  They might bring back Alexander.

-- 
Jose Gonzalez                

                          
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Rather gross question.
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.223142.14151@sei.cmu.edu> hwc@sei.cmu.edu (Howard Chien) writes:

>Question:
>How does the transporter distinguish/replicate wounds or external bio-matter,
>say...blood in a bandage, or in a tampon? Bullet wounds?

Apparently you missed the scene with Twain and Troi in the turbo-lift
where she told him that poverty, illness, money and tampons were
eliminated in the mid twentyfirst century.  In the future, womankind
will not be burdened by such biological inconveniences.  Did I forget
to mention that greed and jealousy were also outlawed by the UFP in
2106?


>Thanks in advance,
>Howie.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Mistake in Borg episode
From: bblais@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:14:29 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <BvCC9D.GtF@kingston.ac.uk>, cs_b173@kingston.ac.uk (Hotchkiss F G) writes:
> Sender: Kane 
> Organization: Kingston University
> 
> In article <BuzMzB.1IC@cs.dal.ca> roy@ug.cs.dal.ca (David Roy) writes:
>>
>>I have noticed a small error in the episode where the Borg capture and
>>assimilate Capt. Picard.  The first words Picard (as Locutus) says is
>>	"I am Locutus of Borg...."
>>
>>David Roy
> 
> The reason that the Borg captured and 'Borged' Picard was for his knowledge
> of us and StarFleet. Obviously, not having been a Borg all of his life, and
> by neccessity retaining a part of what makes him Picard, HE alone of all
> the Borg was capable of using the word I.
> 
> Just a suggestion.
> 
> Kane

	That's a good suggestion, and the one I thought of also.  How 'bout
_this_ error in the Borg episode (the one with Hugh).  Hugh is not supposed to
be able to say 'I' until he faces Picard, but he does!!!
	When Geordi and the Doctor and Third of 5 are together, talking about
names, Hugh (though he shouldn't) says 'Do *I* have a name?'  Watch it again!
The actor messed up the line, and a pretty darn important one at that.  That
happens almost 15 minutes into the show.

						Brian Blais
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:14:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.161431.7383
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <rawdon.718328112@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <67073@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>I don't know if "personal conflict" would be such a bad thing for STTNG.
>>I've always thought that one of the show's problems is that everyone gets
>>along with each other so well.  As opposed to, say, McCoy vs. Spock.
>>Sure it became cliched after a while...but at least it was SOMEthing.
>>Upping the level of conflict between the characters might go a long way
>>towards giving them some depth.
>Agreed.  When was the last time we saw a knock-down-drag-out a la "The
>Tholian Web" on TNG that was based in the fundamental nature of the characters?

	*sigh* 

	We haven't and we never will. Not that there aren't the hooks for
such a conflict. And never mind that in a utopia, you can still disagree,
have conflicts and still have respect for one another.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
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From: maxie@cso.geg.mot.com (Michael Maxie x8958)
Subject: Relics (mild spoiler)
Organization: Motorola GEG, Scottsdale, Az.
Distribution: rec
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:32:23

Spoiler warning

To me this was the best episode of the year.  I'm disappointed at the
treatment of the Dyson sphere.  It is hard to imagine that a race
would walk away from such a major investment just because the star
starts to misbehave.  Given their obvious technology they would fix
the star.

Well enough for now.  Maybe there will be more episodes on the sphere.
--
Michael Maxie	- Internet: maxie@cso.geg.mot.com
Motorola, GEG	- 8201 E. McDowell Rd., Scottsdale, Az  85252
			
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: scott's "batting nint
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:51 EST

>Spoilers ahead for "Realm of Fear"...

>On our scale of -1 to 3, Realm of Fear gets a:

>1.5     Worth watching, some good parts
>(6.5 on a 1 to 10 scale; letter grade B-/C+)

>BEST QUOTE: "Computer, more birds."  -- Barclay.

Nah, I rather liked:

Barclay: Water.
Computer: Specify temperature.
Barclay: <frustrated, waves arms in disgust> I-I don't CARE!  Just give
me WATER!

Huuzzzzzzzmmmmm

<glub, glug, glub>

(Would've been better if the water was boiling and Barclay has to spit
it all out)

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Sometimes I wake up BITCHY. Other times I let her sleep.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE F
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

TO:dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu

DL>Worf was science officer, not helmsman.  Data is most often seen at
DL>the helm.

Worf was not the science officer, he was and is a tactical officer while
serving on the bridge.  This means that he SHOULD have worn a gold
uniform even during the first season.  If he was a science officer, he
would have worn blue, like Ensign Janeway from "Man of the People".

Also, Data has never been a helmsman.  He is an Ops officer, and as such
is seen at the Ops station.  (The helm is the other one.)

Scott

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From: triffo@trooa.enet.dec.com (Robert Triffo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: test
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:52:09 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


This is a test, please excuse!
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:44:32 GMT

In article <1av4ntINN5n8@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> tilden@venture.ksu.ksu.edu  
(Jeffery A Bohning) writes:
> 
> I just saw a re-run of "Elementary, Dear Data" last night and I have a stupid
> question.  Isn't there some way they could use a plot complication like
> downloading Proffessor Morriarity's holodeck program into a android body
> built to his own likeness?  Data could build the body and then just download
> Morriarity into his new form.  Anyone have a justifiable answer why it can't

I don't think that this would be possible.  I too just recently saw the
episode and I think the questions that they raise are very interesting.
However, what makes Data unique is Soong's design of his positronic brain.
Data is Data not because of his program, but becaise of his positronic
brain.  That is the reason that the federation can't build an army of
Data's.  Also, the creation of Moriarty was more of a fluke.  I don't think
they could create another Moriarty if they tried.  I think that it was
more of a lucky perchance occurance by the computer that his character was
created.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Question about Scotty
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:40:18 GMT
Organization: IUPUI

Why, oh why did Scotty have to die that way?  Why couldn't
some ensign take a dive on the phaser set on overload?
(Kinda like they used to on TOS)
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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Rather gross question.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:18:29 GMT

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.223142.14151@sei.cmu.edu> hwc@sei.cmu.edu (Howard Chien) writes:

>>Question:
>>How does the transporter distinguish/replicate wounds or external bio-matter,
>>say...blood in a bandage, or in a tampon? Bullet wounds?

>Apparently you missed the scene with Twain and Troi in the turbo-lift
>where she told him that poverty, illness, money and tampons were
>eliminated in the mid twentyfirst century.  In the future, womankind
>will not be burdened by such biological inconveniences.  Did I forget
>to mention that greed and jealousy were also outlawed by the UFP in
>2106?

One for the vampire fans out there (as if TA and MOTP weren't enough.)

While watching this scene in TA2, I leaned over to my vampire-fan friend
and whispered to her something that cracked her up:

"Maybe they used the Vlad Tepes method of eliminating poverty."

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; URC; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD; CCCS
No, my opinions do NOT reflect those of SFU or of any of the above bodies.

Elaan: "That ancient Earth custom called spanking...what is it?"
Kirk : "Well, er...er...we'll talk about that later!"
From: pkbockus@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Keith Bockus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Review: "Man of the People" Can you say Composite ?
Keywords: TNG, Troi, anger, lust
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:28:03 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Somebody writes...

>> Oh, and if I see another mediator-based plot this year, 
I'm gonna *SCREAM* !!!! 

>Worse!  Mediator who single-handedly saves a world (or worlds) from
>total destruction by war.  All in one meeting.  Hell, if conflicts
>could be resolved that fast, it's unlikely that war would have been
>started in the first place.

Wouldn't it be great if just once the writers would let the
mediation mission fail and have some poor planet go up
in flames?  The show desperately needs a few more dark
endings.

Keith
 
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From: umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens)
Subject: Star Trek:TNG Final Episode
Summary: Star Trek:TNG - The Final Episode
Originator: umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Keywords: final episode Star Trek Next Generation
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:12:51 GMT

The Question is:

As rumored, will Star Trek:The Next Generation be terminated by Paramount
Pictures after December to make way for Star Trek:Deep Space Nine, or will 
it run concurrently with the new series for a few episodes/seasons?

Or is Paramount remaining silent about all of this hoping to guage the ratings
after the new series has launched?

Another Curious Canadian,

Rick Lippens
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:00:54 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <rawdon.719008680@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
<[Warning: I'm deliberately overreacting here, since I'm not in much of a
<mood to suffer fools, gladly or otherwise, today.]
<
<In <1992Oct13.171059.20332@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) produces the inevitable reply:
<>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
<>>:)Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
<>>:)quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
<>>:)ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
<>>:)reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
<>>:)reviews from this site.
<
<>	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
<>take this newsgroup BACK!
<
<How about we have real fans of Star Trek (the *real* series, not the
<pretender, TNG) take this newsgroup back?

Oh boy, that is the last time you can come over to my house and watch TNG :-)
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Those Wacky Transporters
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:17:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BvzDzp.KsC@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford) writes:

>	It seems to me that Transporters are the trendy plot device this 
>season; we've had Barclay (and in some cases Barkley [ dog from Sesame St.
>I guess]), Scotty and the children in "Rascals".  Shall we put some money 
>down that in "Fistful of Datas" that there is some bizarre transporter
>accident which creates a new Data from his pattern every 15 minutes?  I 
>know I can't wait . . . 

Great! :-/

In season 3 it was the holodeck; in season 6, it's the transporters!
I can't wait!!!

*yawn*

-- 
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