From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: chinese manifest destiny
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:53:35 EST

In Article: <1htbucINN590@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
   Subject: chinese manifest destiny
      From: jxl43@po.CWRU.Edu (Jianfeng Li) writes:

>........ lines deleted.
>People seem to agree on that the quality of the population will decide
>the future of the country.

Is this the reason why the CCP is delibratly neglecting China's
education, by leaving the responsibility of basic education to
international charity, and the responsibility of university education
to foreign investment?
By keeping China's populous remaining ignorant, it sure helps the grips
of a tyranny.
>........ lines deleted.

>A country can quickly get enough people be qualified as scientists,
>engineers, doctors etc. And the country can become a muscular giant
>within less than a century. But ,one does not have to wait for long to
>witness the process in which the giant collapse.

Pre WWII Japan and Germany were good examples, and this is what concerns
many that CCP could lead China to walk the path which Japanese and
German fascists had walked and stumbled.

>Then how about the ethics of a country? I would rather call it the
>feeling or the spirit of the country.

Take a look at CCP's menacing sneers towards HongKong and Taiwan, the CG
are setting a very bad example in ethics for the Chinese People.

>For a country, GNP could incresaed by hard working,more schools could be
>built,etc. All these could be done in a person's life time.

China is doing fine on the GNP part, not the school part..... wonder why?

>But a country's spirit cannot be changed that much.To judge that what
>kind of ethics will put its owner in a superior position in a long run,

Especially difficult to transform a mentality, from the blind trust of
violence and unconditional submission to power(now wealth), to the
enlightened state of a firm believe in the bright side of the human
nature, and a strong sense of *fair play*, this is what the CCP and the
leadership of the CG has yet to learn!

In their dealing with Pattens proposal, there was not a trace of
fair play was demonstrated from the CG side, this is why now the CG
insists that they would only negotiate with Patten's boss, the
British Government! - Which was the root of the old colonist.
Maybe this is the indication that the CG has the intention to replace
the British Government to become the new colonist of HongKong!

By the way, look at your own behavior of having edited my previous
posing,wondering if this qualifies:
 *"will put its owner in a superior position in a long run"*  :-)

>I shall look at the environment of the soul of the people.If, up there,
>the soul is free, those people will have a brighter future.

Absolutely! This is why it is a true shame for CCP to jail true patriots
such as Wei Jinsun, Ren Wanting, Cheng Zeming, Wang Juntao and many others,
who had committed no crimes other than "They love China and hold
opinions different to the CG's on how to better Chinese people's fair"!

>Chinese happen to be lucky. Chinese believe in that every one can
>atain the highest dignity. We do not need a supernatural force to force
>us behave. Of course , many opposite facts can be pointed out.

How do you equate "Chinese happen to be lucky" and "Chinese had been
suffering for the past 500 years" ?   :-)

You can hold your believes in atheism, but the recent reviving fervor
of religion (and superstition) in China seems to disagree with your
notion about "being lucky".  :-)

For those 200 million plus Chinese who had suffered immensely as the
consequence of political prosecution under CCP's tyranny, I doubt
they would agree with your view.

>But I think the roots of those are not that deep.They will be removed.
                                                               ^^^^^^^^
Please be specific what roots? how do you plan to *remove*?
Who gives you the right to *remove*?

CCP had tried to *remove* the roots of Imperialism, they did successfully
kicked all foreigner out of China, in exchange of 30+ years of isolation
and desolation. Today, the CCP is warmly embracing any foreigner to invest
(and exploit Chinese people?) in China.  :-)

CCP had tried to *remove* the roots of counter-revolutionaries, by
slaughtering the millions;
The CCP had tried to *remove* the roots of all the rightists, the
revisionists, the .......ists, by sending tens of millions into
labor-reform-camps;
after the death of the millions and anguish by the billions,
you want to *remove* more?....... and *remove* what?     :-( :-(

>I think chinese as a whole has been suffering for the past 500 years
>or so. My measurement is not just confined into looking the muscle.
>I am saying we chinese almost stopped to put energy on enriching our soul.

You can believe whatever you want to believe. No one is stopping you here.
and people may not agree what you are saying. and I for one, do not agree
with your view of "Chinese had been suffering for the past 500 years".

>We have done very little to approach to maturity, if we did any at all.

For today's Chinese, This is true, reflected by CG's recent behavior
towards Chris Patten's proposal, and CG's behavior towards any other
country who sells self-defence weapons to Taiwan.

>I do pay my respect to the one who labeled some chinese as near hopeless.
>It is because of that he just wished his overdose medicine could solve
>our problems, he does believe in that things will become better.

I don't know who you are talking about... I do have sympathy for those
who are emotionally homeless. But it's up to the individual to change
that...
Please be reminded that overdose of any medicine bears the risk of killing
the patient.
Communism of the 20th century was deemed a panacea to cure all the evils of
the 19th century, in the end, it proved to be a deadly poison of the 20th
century.  :-(

>To China harsh push has no positive effect.

What will be considered a *push not so harsh* or *a tender nudge*?
By constantly singing the praising song of the
"Greatest, forever correct, most benevolent party" ?  :-) :-) :-)

>Now ,China is moving towards the right direction. No one can stop that,

Who is trying to stop it?  Without all the investments from abroad,
especially from HongKong and Taiwan, do you think China was able to
move as fast?  yet look what the CG is treating HongKong and Taiwan
in return!!

>although, along the way to the prosperity, certain unpleasant events
>might take place.

Do you mean to justify China's way to the prosperity, other blood baths
similar to TAM massacre can be justified for HongKong or Taiwan!!

>A person should and must believe in himself.Only so life can be ejoyable.

Right, that's why I told you in my last posting, it was not necessary to
quote westerner's words all the time to support your own views.
Life can be enjoyable in many different ways which may exceeds your
confined imaginations.

I noticed one tactic of some CCP's mouthpiece: "if you openly attack the
CCP, your life must be miserable"   :-) :-)

>/A chinese on his way to become a true physicist/

Is this your way to advertise that your view is more correct than those
who are not a physicist, or not a "true physicist" in your sense?  :-)

I can't help to quote a wise westerner George Orwell just for the occasion:

Some animals do behave that they are more equal than the others.  :-)
(The words are not exact, but the idea was from the "Animal Farm")

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