From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:02:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.041034.7415@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>In article <C070nL.31n@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>It is unbelievable, unfortunately it is true. ......
>
>Well, since you are so consistent, I think I have to spend a little more
>time exchanging opinions with you.
The notion of Taiwan is a independent nation is rejected. Please do not repeat
anything That had be said by TIers here.
 couple of quick points because I have to rush for something else:
   1. Westen sponsored or advocated "Democracy" is actually xinocracy to
      certain extent from the experience of so many banana "democractic" 
      republics around the world expecially in Latin America, unless the
nation that implemented the democracy had enough strength. In that sense,
      there are only three democracies in thise world: U.S., U.k., France. All
other "democracies" are more or less manipulated by U.S. 
   2. the West used those rhetorics: "democracy", "human rights", "freedom",
    not to make perspective nation better for natives, to make it better for
     the West: politically it is easier for West to manipulate a "democracy",
    economically, it is easier for them the obtain "free market" for West.
   3. Taiwan is a special case. It was built up by the West to compete against
    manland militraily, politically, economically, pyschologically.
     Most part, Taiwan's past prosperity was at the expense of mainland's
poverty.
   4. U.S. never stopped trying to split Taiwan from China:
        a. U.S. had law forbiten dual citizenship, but have so many 
         dual citizenship Taiwanese. That reminds me how U.S. obtained Texas,
          Hawaii, and sothen territories: send U.S. citizen there, encourage
          them rebel against spainish or mexico, or Hawaii king' tyranny,
          then delcare independent, the delcare joing U.S.
          Does U.S. have same scheme for Taiwan? tell me.
        b. From all talks by U.S.'s political scientists I watched, I got
strong feeling, U.S. is eyeing Taiwan.
        c. When the relationship across the Strait got hotter. U.S. media
      poped up those rumers like: infight refueling, Air craft carrior,
      missle use chip machine purechase. It turned out all just lies.
        d. one night I was listening to Voice of "free" China, it said there
is a meeting by those democratic nation's parlimentary members in Taiwan,
several U.S. senate intellengence members attented. The second day, your
president, sounded like just came out of opium house, excited, mumbling,
how CCP is going to replace X-Soviet to have another cold war with U.S.,
how should Taiwan slow down on ever hot contact with mainland. Guess who
"enlighted" your president.
       c. The William Buckley show I mentioned on past posting told me that
     The purpose of the show is to influence Taiwan public opinion discourage
     the contact across the Strait.
       e. Chris Patten's "democratic" proposal, invilation of  Sino-
Uk agreement signed, had an negitive impact on Taiwan's recent election.
        Was it Brits's caculation? It is certainly within British capacity,
         if you look at British's past performance in World politics.
  4. Most recent economic figure from Taiwan tells that those old "tigers"
that have closer culture tie with mainland did better than those without it.
Taiwan, Singapor, HongKong's growth better than korea, Japan and other ASEAN
nations, becasue the closer trade with mainland eased the loses of slow down
in trade with other nations. The likely growth of mainland in the future will
be mentained. A growing economy, although might be smaller than a matured
economy, has more demand for new goods.
  5. CCP had her problem, but when somebody tries to split China, it is going
to be a whole new ball game. People can fight each other, millitrily,
ideaalogically, but they have to know their common interests when dealing with
others. I found KMT have problem in realizing this basics governing 
the relationship between groups and subgroups. For example, in WWII, KMT was
not able to realize the common interests with CCP to defend China, has to be
forced to do it. Even in later civil war, KMT generals were not able to
control their differences to fight CCP. KMT's phylosophy  is fundermentally
flowed: an odd marriage of capitalism with Confucianism. abnd later on, 
democracy with Confucianism. 
    Confucianism is a rotten phylosophy, it makes people become whimp.:
           a. The nation unified China, Qing was against Confucianism.
               not those that adopted Confucianism.
           b. Ancient China had relatively closed geographical region:
                    NOrth: snow, ice, few people can service ther
                    West: desert, hight moutains, not a attractive place
                          for a civilisation;
                    SoutWest: high mountains
                    South: tropicall jungles, anything you build is going to
                           be eroded by heat and water;
                   East: water.
              China had a pretty safe environment, though there were small
scale threat from West and North in a few times. The most important task
became how to pacify the people, Confucianism became natural choice.
       For the late dynasties, technology advanced those old barriors
protected cHian from foreign invasion are no long so significant, China became
a adventure place for outsiders, because Confucianism is not kind of
phylosophy to encourage people to fight.
   6. I have strong feeling that the era of  World government is coming, just
like during Warring Nations period of China. Nations or group of naitons are
going to compete for power in the new era. It is at all Chiense people's
interests, to unite to face the chanllenge, and make sure we are not going
to become someone else's "burden"---be governed(during 19th centry there was
rhetoric called "white man's burden", which says the Europeans should
government all other races. I just read an article afte Clintion selected his
Secratary of State, there is something like "American's burden".)
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