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From: wkrause@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Wolfgang Krause)
Subject: LISA: antique or outdated (What's it worth?)
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:24:42 GMT

A friend of mine is planning on buying an old LISA system (just for
old times sake). Now someone has offered a LISA w/ 1MB and 1 drive, plus the
bundled software (LISAdraw, LISACalc & LISADraw, or something similair) 
plus a 5 MB drive.

The big question is, what a system like that would be worth?
Is it considered antique or just outdated hardware?
Also, how difficult could it be to aquire such a system from a different
source in the US or anywhere else (** anybody selling?? $.-) **) ?

Please help me out on this one.
   Thanx,
     Wolfgang.
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14115 comp.sys.mac.wanted:7080
From: khenry@sinkhole.unf.edu (Ken Henry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: WANTED: Bar code software - PD or Shareware
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:21:23 GMT
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

Looking for Bar code sotware to generate code 39 bar codes.
Prefer Public Domain or Shareware app.

-Ken Henry
khenry@sinkhole.unf.edu


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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:56:23 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: comp
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.

smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:
|  The price of a IIsi 5/80 system with monitor and
|extended keyboard dropped from $3000 to $2800 in the past week.

Actually, Apple will offer special promo deals starting in August.
Here at A&M, the 5/80 IIsi config will sell for $1500.  I can get
a 9/80 si, CD-ROM, grayscale screen, std keybd, A/UX for $3000.
In fact, it's cheaper for me to buy the items separately and piece
it together myself than it is to get one of Apple's pre-done deals.

Apple is really doing some things with their prices.  When I first
bought my Mac + (still have it) back in '87, my Plus, ImageWriter II
and Applecare cost $2500.  Considering new technology and Apple's
price cuts, look at how much more you get now.

-Brent
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Re: Trouble with mcvert Unix util [and xbin too]
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.114937.10378@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.173913.620@risky.ecs.umass.edu> breck@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>memory, so I checked the memory settings in Get Info.  After a long
>>pause, the Get Info box appeared.  Recommended was n/a, Current was
>>zeroK.  Setting Current to a couple hundred K didn't help.  Some of
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>AHA!!!!! I had the same problem. Oddly enough, I found a version of
>mcvert 1.65 and THAT crashed so it may be the new UNIX OS that we're
>running here at NJIT. Any help, people?
>

I've noticed this business of not decoding binhex'd .sea files also, but not
with mcvert.  I use xbin, and I always get wierd errors trying to decompress
.sea archives.  I've noticed that it doesn't matter what format the .sea
archive takes, it simply doesn't like them.

I tried to get mcvert to run too, but I got compile errors on our HP.  Missing
libraries, and all that.  I wanted to see if mcvert could do .sea archives,
but evidently not...

Jens


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
Subject: Re: Dogcow T-Shirts - Are There Any?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:22:43 EDT

carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (Carl F. Hostetter) writes:

> I'd love to get a Dogcow T-shirt. Is there such a critter?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carl F. Hostetter
> carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov

There isn't such a thing listed in APDA, but it _is_ a neat idea.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:09:27 GMT

ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:

>The FIRTS benchmark I referred to in my    post was a Dhrystone benchmark
>compiled with THINK C 4.05 on the Mac IIsi and GCC 2.1 running under OS/2 2.0
>on a 33MHz 386 (NOT 486 that will  be another factor 2 to 2.5). The results:

  Let's just say that the difference in code quality between Think C 4.0.5
and GCC 2.1 is LARGE (and it's in GCC 2.1's favour).  Maybe if you had
done a test using GCC on the Mac, you would have a valid comparison.
However, see below.

>Now you can discuss the meaningfullness or lack thereof of this kind of bench-
>mark, but since this test comes from the UNIX (or mainframe ?) world and most

  If you knew a bit more about the benchmark you're running, you'd know
that Dhrystone is essentially DEAD as a benchmark in the Unix world.
It has been thoroughly discredited as prone to weird optimisations
which make little sense in real code.  See Hennessy and Patterson
"Computer Architecture - A Quantitative Approach" for details.

>of the machines mentioned in the source code were 680x0 based workstations I
>seriously doubt it is highly optimized for the PC. 

  Actually, Dhrystone is one benchmark which happens to optimise particularly
well on 80x86 architectures, because it has a large percentage of
string code, which maps well to the 80x86 instruction set.
  I can find you synthetic benchmarks which show the Mac is much
faster than an 80x86.  Try Savage for example.
  
>The SECOND "benchmark" I ran was using Word 4.0 on the Mac and WinWord 1.1 on
>the same PC with Win3.0 (not the fastest GUI of all times). The PC was equipped
>with a ET3000 VGA board which is definitely not the fastest under the SUN :-)
>and in fact already out of production. Both Word versions are functionally
>equivalent and --- you might guess it --- the PC won this subjective
>"benchmark" hands down. It is _my_ Mac and _my_ PC so why should I be that much
>biased ?.

  So you're basing your views on Microsoft code?  Somehow, that doesn't
sound like something I'd do.

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From: hausmann@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Spreadsheet DA
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:35:50 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> I'm looking for some kind of spreadsheet DA that I can use for sorting
> any kind of lists.  I don't know if something like this even exists. But

BiPlane by Night Diamonds Software.  I believe there may be shareware versions
still available on the net.  The full version is $60.  Best SS for the buck,
includes charting capabilities and Sys 7 compat.

-Tom


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: eer1@midway.uchicago.edu(Paul Woods)
Subject: Statistical Software for the Mac.
Reply-To: eer1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:54:13 GMT

Hi,

I have a user that needs to run Stst. software on his Mac IIFX.  The amount of  
data is rather large and I need to know if something exists for the Mac that  
will allow him to get the job done.  The file is about 225,000 records that are  
devided into 156 headings.

Do any of you use Stat software on the Mac?  How good is it?

Please e-mail me at "eer1@midway.uchicago.edu" if possible.

Thanks,

Paul-

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     University of Chicago
From: hobbit@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: EDIT FOLLOWUP POSTINGS!
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:37:20 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I can't believe how many people in this newsgroup seem totally incapable
of editing a followup post.  It's not even that you (yes, I'm talking
to you!) are merely showly bad judgement in how much quoting in necessary, 
but YOU'RE NOT EDITING AT ALL.  Christ, people, at least remove the
last guy's sig!

We've read the previous article once already.  You're wasting the
time of thousands of readers, and the disk space of thousands of net
nodes.  Get some manners.

    c.r.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
From: Gavin Adams <gavin.adams@lso.mts.dec.com>
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1
     <1992Jul23.164511.1@tesla.njit.edu>
     <1992Jul23.192824.14109@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:11:43 GMT



In article <1992Jul23.192824.14109@husc3.harvard.edu> David Fry,
fry@tara.harvard.edu writes:
>Newton is *not* a code name, it is THE real name.  The first PDA
>itself may not be named Newton, but Newton is the name of the
>technology and Newton is the name of the operating system.  And these
>are the things most people are talking about.
>
>I comp.sys.pda is a good start, but every company is going to refer to
>their products as PDAs as well, or least the users will.  I think
>comp.sys.newton is the most appropriate since that's the place to talk
>about the Newton operating system and the various Newton products from
>Apple, Sharp, Toshiba and (eventually) others.

I also think comp.sys.pda is the best choice.  I would also ammend the
charter to discuss *all* PDA's--Apple's, GRiD's, whoevers.

>
>David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.EDU
>Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
>Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
>Cambridge, MA  02138            

--- Gavin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: lrm3@ellis.uchicago.edu (Lawrence Reed Miller)
Subject: Re: How to increase transfer speed in Kermit
Reply-To: lrm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:04:39 GMT

In article <25JUL199219242022@oregon.uoregon.edu> ccyang@oregon.uoregon.edu (Chun-Ching Yang) writes:
[Kermit is slow]
>
>Can anyone help me solve this problem?

As a couple other people have suggested, Zmodem is your best bet.  However,
if for some reason you _have_ to use Kermit (like I do...), setting the packet
length as long as possible (I usually use 1000 bytes) will speed up Kermit
a great deal, esp. on high speed modems with error correction.  On the Unix
version of Kermit, this can be done with the -e option.  I don't know about the
VAX version.

Lawrence Miller
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:00:36 GMT

In article <BrrrKD.46B@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, lamont@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley Lamont) writes:
> 
> Since I started this thread a week ago, it has drifted away from what my
> intention was (not that thats bad).
> 
> I am curious about how the public will accept Newton.
> 
> I think we will all agree that those of us on the net are among the more
> technically inclined of the population.  I would love to have a Newton but
> the 50 thousand of us on the net won't make Apple even come close to
> breaking even.
> 
> Will Joe Q. Public buy the Newton?  Would the person taking notes at the
> zoo buy a Newton instead of a portable?  Will it really be easier for
> the general public?  
> 
> This last one is probably yes in a technical sense, but will it make life
> any easier to use the Newton than paper and pencil?
> 
> I think you get my drift about what I'm really wondering about -
> Not whether Newton is better than a portable, but whether Netwon will have
> the impact the Mac did...

OK.  My wife is not a computer person.  She uses our Mac to play games (she
especially likes "snake" type games and solitaire card games, but I digress),
and for almost nothing else.  

She is a nurse in an intensive care ward.  When I read to her (she wasn't
interested in reading it herself, but indulged me by listening to me) a
description of Newton and what Newton will supposedly be able to do, she
became very interested and rattled off a list of a dozen things that she
hoped that she could be able to do with it at work.  All of those things
she mentioned are within Newton's capabilities, as I understand them.

If she is a typical example, I'd say "Yes," Newton will have have at least
the impact that the Mac did.
From: ccmlh@buitc.bu.edu (Mark Hayes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Autodoubler needs Diskdoubler?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:42:08 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

>>Is it true that in order to run Autodoubler I need to buy Diskdoubler?
>>I was planning on buying Autodoubler, but Diskdoubler will double the
>>price!  What is the difference between the two?  Is Diskdoubler sufficient
>>to claim back disk space?  Thanks for any tips,
>>	-Kristen

First of all, what you want is either AD or both. DD is useful only
for archival to floppies and occasional selective use. Try to use it
on a regular basis on everything on a hard disk and you'll quickly
go nuts waiting for it to decompress and recompress any file you use.

Now, you don't *have* to have DD to run AD, but you will find yourself playing
ridiculous games to get around AD's limitations which, frankly, I believe
were left in to push people into buying both products.

These limitations are:

1 - No way to manually compress a file. Best you can do is set a short
    'wait before scanning' period, then let AD do it automatically.

2 - No way to tell how much space has been saved for any given file.

3 - No way even to tell if any given file has been compressed, unless
    you're willing to let AD stick little 'DD' stamps on all your icons.
    If you want your icons to normally look normal, you have
    to bring up the AD control panel and set it to change *every* icon
    to show whether the corresponding file is compressed or not,
    check out the icon for the file you're interested in, then go back
    and reset the control panel.

4 - The worst thing about AD-only is there is NO WAY TO DECOMPRESS
    A FILE. I find this absolutely ridiculous. The only way to do it
    is to make a copy of the file (which will be created uncompressed),
    then delete the original, then rename the copy. I'm not kidding.

5 - No way to create a compressed copy of a compressed file.

6 - No way to compress anything on a floppy, or copy anything already
    compressed onto a floppy in compressed form.

Now, I have both AD and DD, which I got from Salient as a special DD
upgrade, so I'm very happy with the product. But that is how I think
of the two in combination, as a single, integrated product. The fact
that Salient is marketing them separately rather justifies the
accusation the AD is "crippleware".
From: ajross@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:51:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.ajross.711766311

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:


>I recall the original message containing hostility and condescention.
>Apparently, it is OK to lambast the Mac with hostility and condescention,
>but not to reply to hostility and condescention with the same.  There is a
>word to describe that attitude.  I'll let you look it up in your thesaurus.

Re-read my posts.  As I recall, I ended every one of them my saying that I
really LIKE the mac, just that I wouldn't recommend buying one at current
prices.

Calling me a hypocrite is not exactly the most tactful way to respond
here.  Please grow up.

Andy Ross
ajross@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: fdm@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Frank D. Malczewski)
Subject: Re: * Mcvert REALLY acting strange
Organization: GTE Government Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:55:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.184134.18761@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
>For almost two years I've been using mcvert. This time, though there
>have been a LOT of strange problems with it. Watch this:
>
>-=> mcvert -V msword-50a-updater.hqx
>entering new_in_hqx_file ...
>... opened msword-50a-updater.hqx
>Converting     WordPatcher.sit                type = "APPL", author =
>"aust"
>        data_len=-230227968             trsrc_len=  72876032
>hqx_to_bin_fork: fwrite on binfile wrote -230227968 bytes too few
>
>last perror (may not be relevent): Error 0
>mcvert: exiting
>
>Ack! I wound up with a 128 byte file from this! Version 1.65 RAN fine
>before and after NJIT updated their OS. Mcvert 1.70 and 1.80 didn't work
>at all, so I recompiled 1.65...and it didn't work either! Apparantly,
>it's some kind of incompatability with the ULTRIX version that we're
>using.


I get the exact same problem on our 4.3BSD VAX, 1.7 and 1.8 are completely
useless to me.  I don't seem to have the 1.65 source readily available to
see if this also would create a bad binary, but I've made it a point to
retain that last working binary of mcvert, and it (1.65) works fine.
Apparently, it's a good thing I did.

-- 

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From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: TrueType fonts from Win3.1
Summary: How to convert them?
Keywords: fonts, truetype, windows
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Is there a way to take TrueType fonts for Windows 3.1 and
>change them (with something like ResEdit) so they can be used
>on a Mac?

First, download ttconverter from sumex-aim.stanford.edu.  Next, copy the
fonts onto your mac using any of the many IBM-->Mac programs.  Then
use ttconverter to magically convert to mac format.  Then just drop
them in your system suitcase.
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From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:29:20 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

ET>  Me too. I still don't really understand why practically nobody 
ET> else agrees. I keep reading reports from Apple dealers about 
ET> how the PB 100 is a "dog", and that it's now on the short-list 
ET> for elimination.

I think comments like this come from people who are used to the ever-evolving
technology coming from Apple, and who realize that the PB100 is "only" 4 year
old technology repackaged.

It's probably difficult for such a person (which includes most people on the
net) to put himself into the shoes of the average Price Club/consumer channel
shopper, where PClones have run rampant for all these years but nothing like
the PB has ever been shown.  The PB100 _is_ a good machine, yes--but when
you're used to ci's and Quadras, it's tough to look at the PB100 and recognize
its worth.

This is probably why many people the net hears from, and many people within
Apple, consider the PB100 a "dog."  It's not, but it seems so under some
circumstances.

--Adam--
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: add@is.rice.edu (Arthur Darren Dunham)
Subject: Re: looking for "virtual screen" software
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.182055.6613@kuusi.metla.fi> valsta@kuusi.metla.fi (Lauri Valsta) writes:
>Michael Fetzer <mfetzer@ucsd.edu> writes:
>>Re: looking for "virtual screen" software
>>Wait a minute, it's  my impression (and certainly the last version of the
>>documentation that comes w/ MaxAppleZoom seemed to confirm this) that MAZ
>>only works on MacII, not on IIci, IIsi, IIfx, etc. Maybe on IIx?
>
>>It also sounded like there was no way to ever get MAZ to do this... has
>>this changed? 
>
>>Mike
>
>I tried it on a Mac IIsi and it did NOT work.

Yes it has been updated.  No it does not work on the BUILT-IN video of any
current mac.  It should work on an APPLE VIDEO CARD in any of the macs
listed above (I hope).  I know it worked on my IIfx, and I don't have a 
video card in my IIci, so I can't use it anymore.
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MicroConsultant                       		  Rice University
(What is that? A small consultant?)	              Houston, TX
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: steve@osc.edu (Steve Koehl)
Subject: symbolic algebra
Keywords: symbolic algebra
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for Arts and Design
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:29:56 GMT

I'm looking for a low power symbolic algebra
package with a very intuitive UI.  We at OSC
are having a class of high-schoolers and one
of the "non-numeric" things we want to show
is computer algebra.  Oh, yes, I'm looking
for something that is free, and down-loadable
from the internet.  Thanks ** 2