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From: Richard Tasgal (tasgal@math.tau.ac.il)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:00:00 GMT
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.
Originator: tasgal@leo.math.tau.ac.il

>Jay Beckenstein (Spyro Gyra)
>Eric Bloom (Blue Oyster Cult)
>Michael Diamond (Beastie Boys)
>Neil Diamond
>Bob Dylan
>Danny Elfman (drummer, Oingo Boingo)
>Kinky Friedman (of "They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus, Anymore" fame)
>Art Garfunkel
>Susanna Hoffs (lead singer, Bangles)
>Adam Horowitz (Beastie Boys)
>Billy Joel
>Carole King
>Geddy Lee (lead singer/bassist, Rush)
>Barry Manilow
>Bette Midler
>David Lee Roth
>Part of Sha-Na-Na
>Gene Simmons (bassist/vocalist, KISS)
>Carly Simon
>Paul Simon
>Hillel Slovak (original guitarist, the Red Hot Chili Peppers until he OD'ed)
>Paul Stanley (guitarist/vocalist, KISS)
>Michael Steele (bassist, Bangles)
>Barbra Streisand
>Leslie West  (nee Weinstein)(Mountain)
>Peter Wolf (J. Geils Band)
>Adam Yauch (Beastie Boys)

I think Iggy Pop's real or original name is Eckstein or Ickstein.
Does anyone know his story?

Richard Tasgal
tasgal@math.tau.ac.il

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:25:28 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
 <1992Dec31.150307.17507@panix.com> <C0Cn3o.70y@panix.com>
 <C0E240.5u0@panix.com> <93005.150114BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>

In article <93005.150114BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>, <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
says:
>
>Isn't Neil Diamond Jewish?  Barry Manilow is also, along with Linda McCartney.
>

Yes, Linda McCartney formerly Linda Eastman of Eastman Kodak fame is Jewish,
but can you really call her a singer ?? Have you ever heard her sing ??
UGGGHHH !!!!

Peter Cohen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:45:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.194315.12625@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>I'm going to go way out on a limb here, but after reading all the
>traffic, particularly the non-response responses, the anonymous
>letters cited as support, the inconsistencies in the accounts of those
>purporting to have first-hand knowledge, and the outrageous and
>totally illegal (in California) solicitation of funds to be sent to a
>California bank account, I predict this will become known as the
>Famous Feld Fraud.

To a large extent, I'm somewhat sorry this stuff got crossposted from
the mailing lists that I sent stuff out on to scj, but so be it. I do
not understand what you mean by a non-response response. I have copies
of the letters from the Rabbis in Israel, I can fax them to whomever
wishes. I also said that the contract securing the property is
available for exam, for those that want. I know that David has not
contacted me. I will check with Ken, but did you try and contact him?

There was some inconsistant information early in discussion, most of it
has been clarified. I'm not sure what has been posted here, but the
stuff I have put on mail-jewish is stuff I have checked out with Nina
nee Feld (I don't know her marrried name), with Ken Shlian who is in
regular contact with his sister Sarah, who is Avrum's wife, and also
with David Feld's sister. So I think the information we have is
basically as good as the family knows.

>For those outside California, State Law requires such a solicitation
>to be accompanied by a (for example) Los Angeles Department of Social
>Services registration card, and penalties for failure or fraud
>are severe. That the solicitation does not include such a registration
>notification suggests a scam of the first water.

The most recent "solicitation" was reposted here from something I sent
to a mailing list I am a member of. I admit to not being a lawyer, and
am not familiar with California law. I will print copies of your
message, and send them to the Feld family members I am in contact with
and ask them to pass it by a Ca. lawyer. I can vouch that I have no
desire to scam anyone, I get nothing from this, I am personally
convinced that Ken is not part of any scam. That obviously means
nothing to you, since you do not know me. What I sent out was to a
mailing list that I am active on, so many of the members know me, and I
view them as my extended friends and family. My point was to give
information to those who wanted to do something to help the Felds, not
to solicite funds from the general public.

If David wants to contact me, I gave my electronic and telephone
information before, and I will do so again. I do not wish to do
anything against the law, it was not my intent to solicit. 

Avi Feldblum
feldblum@att.com  or  mljewish@nysernet.org
908-247-7525
From: milgram@eng.umd.edu (Judah Milgram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Alois Bruner dead in Syria
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:07:21 GMT
Organization: U MD College Park


`Forverts' is reporting that Alois Bruner, deputy to Adolph Eichmann,
died recently in Syria, where he had found refuge since the early
50's. Sad to say, he lived to a ripe old age.
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Duty free refrigirators (Was:Re: aliya question - can you bring TWO food processors?
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:30:27 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

Warren, please, notice, subject change - I know you read all of it
in ANY CASE...

In article <1993Jan8.180030.25741@gsm001.mendelson.com> gsmlrn@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:
>It probably is because they think you are comming in with a container
>of goods, declaring yourself an oleh to avoid the taxes, selling them
>and going home. 
>
>This has been done on a smaller scale by many Soviets who claimed to be
>Jews,  got exit visas, free transportation, a cash absorption grant 
>(about $13,000 U.S.) at the border, an Israeli passport in 90 days and then
>moved to the U.S..
>
>Geoff.

Minor correction:
as far as I know, no Soviets are going to Israel to get free transportation
or duty-free refrigirator.
There are those, who actively dont want to go to Israel, but want to leave Russia,
so they choose the way you described.

As to the absorbtion grant, my understanding is, that you have to pay it back,
if you leave during first five years in Israel. I'm pretty sure, that there are
people who want to leave, but dont do that, because they can not pay this money back.

I supose, there are ways to go around it (if you know them, please, dont post  them (-:).

So, whatever problems, Russian Jews  have, duty-free refrigirators are not one of them.

Simon Streltsov,
Boston University

"If you go on the road and come to a fork -
Take it!"
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:17:52 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <93012.170201F66204@BARILVM.BITNET> Shaul Wallach <F66204@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>Footnote - Women who observe the laws of Tahara are virtually immune
>to uterine cancer. I remember seeing years ago a letter to a leading
>medical journal (Lancet, I believe) from an Israeli doctor who noted
>this and lamented the recent decline in observance of the laws in
>Israel. He predicted a rise in the rate of uterine cancer among
>Israeli women in the future.

Fascinating!  Did he say why this was, or advance any theories, or was he
stating an observation. . .?  If you or anyone else has more information
on this I'd like to know more.

			. . .Alexandra
From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Subject: kosher question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:45:02 GMT


An addition: if you are actually planning to consume a ham-and-cheese
sandwich, do not require this for your health (including pregnancy!),
and will do so no matter what anyone tells you with regard to your obligation
to observe the laws of keeping kosher, then I think that you should plan to
enjoy the sandwich. (This intention will prevent you from having the sin
of willfully breaking a commandment.) Oh dear. I seem to have achieved a kind
of Russell's paradox in creating an obligation not to willfully break a
commandment. How can this be alleviated?

--Michelle
mgross@nosc.mil
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Can mohels circumcize non-Jews?
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:23:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan7.201220.29371@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>As the subject line asks, is it Halachicly permitted for a
>Mohel to circumcize a non-jewish baby (if the parents want the
>boy circumcized for non-religious reasons, but think the mohel would
>do the best job)?  If not actually forbidden, is it contrary to
>tradition?  Obviously, it can be done for purposes of a conversion,
>but otherwise?

Why not?  Without the Jewish ceremony, it's just another surgical
operation.  If it's legal, and it usually is, there should be nothing
wrong with it.  As has already been mentioned, many hospitals have a
Mohel around to do all circumcisions, since they're usually better
skilled than an ordinary doctor.

In the case of my family, the Mohel also had an MD, so there was no
worry.

>Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.

So that's why I haven't trusted myself since I got my computer science
degree!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:16:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.053319.2332@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mswihart@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article <9301072250.AA02675@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>>dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>
>
>>As to the beliefs of the convert, well, that's a funny question.
>>(That's funny-strange funny, not funny-ha-ha funny.)  The issue is
>>not what the convert ends up accepting, since if that were the only
>>concern, he/she could convert without a rabbi or beit din.  The issue
>>is whether he/she ever converted, *after which* the belief would be
>>secondary.  As I've previously stated, once the person has converted
>>properly [loaded word], he/she is a Jew in every way.  Just as a
>>native Jew without the belief is still a full Jew, so the convert
>>remains a Jew.
>>
>
>If I am understanding that last part correctly, a native Jew ( or
>a convert after the conversion ) can hold basically any belief
>on any issue and remain a full Jew. I would be _most_ interested in
>knowing the source and basis for this idea.
>
>Does this mean a Jew could even believe that there is no G-d, yet
>still be a Jew? If this is so, why is it that one
>sometimes sees the idea that a Jew that is an X is not a Jew? 
>
>Ignorant but curious,
>M. Swihart
>
>


This is a FAQ based on a mingling of the two definitions of "what
is a Jew".  Many people make the mistake of claiming that if a
person is "Jewish" in the sense of descent, then their beliefs
(whatever they are) are Jewish.  The messy-antic missionaries are
known for this type of tactic.  Thus a person born of a Jewish
mother is and remains Jewish.  However, if they become atheistic,
the belief is not Jewish.

Note also, that a person who "converts" to another religion has
explicitly committed positive acts that remove him/her from the
community.  An analogy may be between someone who becomes an
expatriate without explicitly renouncing his citizenship or
becoming a citizen of the country of residence and
someone who becomes a citizen of another country where the rules
do not allow for dual citizenship.

There are disputes as to what a person who wishes to return to
Judaism after a conversion to another religion must do to be
accepted.  However, even the strictest would not regard that
person as a nonJew in the same sense that someone born nonJewish
would be.  In the Orthodox view, that person is fully Jewish and
if his/her children have a Jewish mother, they are Jewish from
birth.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lise@kepler.cc.bellcore.com (romanov,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:11:57 GMT

In article <4846@moscom.com> de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.145850.7394@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lise@kepler.cc.bellcore.com (romanov,elizabeth) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.220442.154@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>>Nursing women do not resume menstruation immediately, often not until after
>>they have weaned the baby.  Even if a woman is not lactating, her cycle 
>>doesn't even out for a while.
>
>Ha, Ha, Ha. Ha.
>
>Some nursing women may not menstruate, but this is definately not a rule.
>Women who consider themselves safe from conception during nursing quite often
>find themselves with what are often called "Irish Twins", that is two children
>born 10 months apart.
>
>Forgive my laughter at the beginning of my response, but this old chestnut is
>has been around a long time, and there is much evidence that it is false.
>
>-- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -->     David Esan      de@moscom.com  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are confused.  I said "menstruate", not ovulate.  No matter when a
woman resumes her monthly cycle after delivery, she ovulates *first*.  But
a woman's ovulation is not the basis for  tameh, which is what we were
talking about.

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From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Eels
Date: 7 Jan 1993 05:34:41 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.23.70

In the Jan/Feb issue of Tikkun, there is an article by Benny Morris called 

  "The Eel and History: A Reply to Shabtai Teveth".  

It is a reply to an article by Teveth in Commentary that attacks Morris's
book "The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem".  What I can't
understand is:  What does it have to do with EELS?  There is only one
use of the word "eel" in the article, where Morris refers to Teveth's
"usual eel-like way".  I don't understand that, either.  Can someone
enlighten me please?

Brendan.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.060348.6115@netcom.com>, horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.040121.29604@zeus.franklin.edu> scruggs@zeus.franklin.edu (Kevin Scruggs) writes:
> >In article <1hau2eINN9p8@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
> >>Admittedly, many are best described as 'of Mosaic descent' (non-affiliated,
> >>but born to Jewish mothers).  Any additions?  
> >>
> >>Barry Manilow
> >>Barbra Streisand
> >>Neil Diamond
> >>Danny Elfman (drummer, Oingo Boingo)
> >>Adam Horowitz (Beastie Boys)
> >>Adam Yauch (Beastie Boys)
> >>Michael Diamond (Beastie Boys)
> >>Susanna Hoffs (lead singer, Bangles)
> >>Michael Steele (bassist, Bangles)
> >>Bob Dylan
> >>Geddy Lee (lead singer/bassist, Rush)
> >>David Lee Roth
> >	Paul Stanley (guitarist/vocalist, KISS)
> >	Gene Simmons (bassist/vocalist, KISS)
> >>Eric Bloom (Blue Oyster Cult)
> >>Hillel Slovak (original guitarist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers until he OD'ed)
> 
> Kinky Friedman (of "They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus, Anymore" fame)

Leslie West  (nee Weinstein)(Mountain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Israel must NOT return the "garbage"
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:48:06 GMT

In article <1ir5tfINN25n@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE) writes:

Steel? Doesn't "Stalin" translate to that?

--Mark
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From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:40:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

>In article <isaac.725853315@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>>
>>Guilt by MEMBERSHIP mate. Membership of a terrorist outfit is
>>a crime. This is a violent group who hides behind the Koran.

>Guilty enough to collectively punish half a thousand innocent
>people (who have not been proven of any crime in a civil court)?
>Is this 1934 - Nazi Style or 1984 - Thought Police Style?
>
>No, infact they are proud to hold the Holy Quran very high ...
>takbir!

Allaho Akbar.  

>takbir!
Allaho Akbar.

>takbir!
Allaho Akbar.

>Anisa
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Information on Jewish activity in Hong Kong and Singapore wanted
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:43:36 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I would like to find out what sort of Jewish community activity occurs in both
Hong Kong and Singapore. I know there are shules in both places. Presumeably
there is a lot of young professionals in these parts and that would imply a
good "singles scene". Any help or comments would be appreciated.

David Maddison
Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Addresses of African-American Colleges
From: wreed@netlink.cts.com (Wayne Reed)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 04:48:21 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Can anyone send me the internet addresses of African-American colleges?
Thanks.
Wayne Reed

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From: apjsf@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: RE:DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:55:41 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Dear sir,
	I was reading the news the other day, when I came across an article
titled "Death Threats to the Jews" which appeared to be written not by the
rightful owner of the account Black@ac.dal.ca. When you make such accusations,
are you afraid to sign the right name. You shouldn't be!!!
	Although you have the right to make such statements, you must make sure
that the statements that you make are not offensive to certain minority groups.
You seem to get involved in the s.c.j. newsgroup only when you want to offend
those who read that group. If I recall correctly, the last time you posted
to s.c.j. was when you were attempting to find out "A Zionist, A Jew, Tell Me
The Difference." In that article you said that you were talking with two
Jewish students about this specific topic. From the posting you made, as well
as the responses that were made, overall what they told you was somewhat 
correct. Unfortunately, you didn't see that. YOU ONLY HEARD WHAT YOU WANTED
TO HEAR !!!! You then took their opinion and made that the opinion of 
all the Jewish students of Halifax. Now what you are doing is something 
similar to before; you are taking the opinion one Jew in Halifax and 
claiming that this is the opinion of all Jewish students in Halifax. This is
not the proper way of doing things, and this could lead to a lot of problems.
How do you think the African American population would react if a Jewish
student were to ask you a question, interpret that answer the way they want
to, and write an article in that particular newsgroup?? I don't think
the majority of those readers would appreciate an outsider telling them
how or what they should feel about a certain subject.
So my basic question to you is WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU DOING?
Don't start telling the Jewish population what to think. Even if you were 
Jewish, no one gives you that right.

	IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR HOW A MEMBER FROM ONE MINORITY IS 
	NOW BASHING MEMBERS OF ANOTHER MINORITY. WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD
	OF WHO WE ARE, NO MATTER WHAT RACE, CREED OR RELIGION!!!!!!

What do you refer to when you say ". . . this great land of YOURS. . ."
as well as "Amerikkka". Are you implying that the Jews are running this 
land. If that is the impression, than KKK is completely uncalled for.
Remember, we combat their hatred together!!!!!
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: reversed conversion
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:55:42 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

to your best knolege, are there many Jews (if at all) 
who convert to Xnity or Islam ? are there any of those
who do it because they belive them to be more right ?

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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Crown Heights Jury
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:25:17 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1993Jan7.052450.12442@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.020756.13646@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>>But the mostly Black jury somehow managed to throw out ALL of the
>>evidence against the Black defendant.  This is an upsetting turn of
>>events, and a danger to the justice system, as it stands.
>
>The defense attorney held a party for the defendant after the verdict
>which many of the jurors attended.  Strikes me as somewhat unseemly.
>If it's not covered by existing ethics rules, it should be.

Later, one of the jurors (a black one, if it matters) was quoted as
saying that she was led to believe that the party was going to be an 
opportunity for the jurors to ask Nelson some questions they had about the 
case.  She said that when she found out what it really was, she left,
but that other jurors *were* hanging around celebrating with Nelson, and
she thought it was pretty inappropriate, too.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Is it too early to start making predictions for 1993?
niepornt@phoenix.    | Probably, but that never stopped me before.
   princeton.edu     | ALE: Baltimore ALW: Chicago NLE: Montreal NLW: Atlanta
Baltimore Orioles 93 | AL MVP: Cal Ripken  AL Cy Young: Mike Mussina