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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:42:15 GMT

In article <1gcfuoINN9hn@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.081551.23739@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>>Please note that the Japanese-Americans should _ask_, not _demand_, that
>>President-elect Clinton _consider_ selecting a Japanese-American [for
>> National Science Advisor] 
>> The extreme over-representation of Oriental-Americans in the sciences and
>>engineering justifies the appropriateness of this request. 

     Oh, and why just Japanese-Americans?  (Yes, that's a rhetorical question,
as I think I know the answer.)

>There is no "over-representation" of Oriental-Americans in the sciences.
>If anything, it is amazing that out of the great (relatively) numbers
>of Oriental-Americans in US Colleges at the undergraduate level so few
>(relatively) reach scientific posts after College.

     Depends how you look at it.  Asian-Americans make up something like one
or two percent of the general population but compose something like 30% of the
PhD graduates coming out of US schools.  Anyone have the actual numbers on
hand?  These are from my susceptible memory.

>>I am sure that there are a number of qualified Japanese-Americans who
>>could serve well as National Science Advisor.  President-elect Clinton
>>is now in the process of constructing his new cabinet and is probably
>>collecting names for the  "short" list of potential nominees.
>
>You may know a lot about -cu and -ge 20th century philosophy but you
>need a course in politics. A face from a competing economic power
>in a National Science Advisory position? It'll be a cold day in
>hell before that happens or Clinton has no perspective on symbolism,
>which I very much doubt.

     Is this sarcasm or do you actually believe the above?  A Japanese-American
isn't from a competing economic power; (s)he's from America.  Let's not forget
Henry Kissenger, former Secreatary of State, is a native Austrian.

							George


-- 
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From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: AA scientists and the model minority myth was Re: Political Power
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:54:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.tamu.edu
Originator: achin@math

(Can't quote on this editor)

Fact #1:  Asian-Americans are heavily overrepresented at the undergraduate
level in science and engineering, but only slightly overrepresented at the
graduate level.

Fact #2:  In fact, the percentage of Asian-Americans in science and engineering
who go on to do graduate work is so low as to be cause for concern.  For
example, the undergraduate numbers perpetuate the model minority myth, making
it harder for Asian-American scientists with advanced degrees to achieve
parity, break the glass ceiling, etc.

Fall 1990 composition of UC Berkeley by Gender and Ethnicity:

Asian Pacific American
Undergraduate men: 15.4 %
            women: 13.1 %
Graduate men: 6.7 %
       women: 6.1 %

Doctoral candidates men: 4.8 %
                  women: 3.1 %

How can these patterns be explained?

1.  These figures do not reflect medical school; APA families may value
doctors more than scientists.
2.  APA youth are more pragmatic and money-oriented and would generally
rather enter the work force than stay for an advanced degree.
3.  APA youth, fed by the "model minority" myth, sense that there are
already too many APA scientists with advanced degrees hitting the glass
ceiling, and get discouraged from going for the PhD.

It should be noted also that the graduate figures may also be inflated
by former Asian nationals who became American citizens while pursuing their
studies at Berkeley, strengthening the argument that APA students are
disproportionately disinclined to pursue graduate degrees.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet ("Qu'est-ce que vous a cherchez...le bien par le mal...-Enigma")
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:59:38 GMT

In article <SHAW.92Dec16232617@cobra.lcs.mit.edu>, shaw@cobra.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.000508.16340@idacom.hp.com> russil@idacom.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>   >>In article <1gl8udINNos6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
>   >>>Can anyone remember a "good guy" asian male in the movies or TV?
>[stuff deleted]
>In the Reebok "Assault Tennis" video, there's an Asian guy who flashes on
>for a few milliseconds.

T'was Michael Chang...He's currently ranked within the top 5 pro tennis players
in the world...Last time I heard he was no. 4. 

>Asian-male stereotyping of the future:
> tall, handsome, well-dressed, witty, powerful, smart, educated, 
> good-sense-of-rhythm, into outdoor sports, too much electronic
> equipment, nervous about losing cultural background, a little
> _too_ hip for his own good, but strangely and attractively geeky
> at the weirdest moments, silly and funny, good cook, dependable,
> sensitive, but not wimpy, strong, yet not overbearing, well-read,
> too much sports equipment, well-connected, leadership material,
> respected and well-liked by his peers, and of course, humble.
>
>Did I miss anything?

Does windows too!!!

8^)

-JS


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:10:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.143957.24081@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>  I was shocked and surprised at the result of
>  a survey form I filled out when I graduated from Cornell with
>  a PhD in Mathematics.  Do I need to underline Asian-AMERICAN???
>													  ________
>  I was one of the few that could check the box Asian-American.
>  I don't know what the foreign born students checked or if
>  they even got to participate in the survey.  I think it was
>  a survey of American-born ethnic groups in the sciences.  Sorry
>  I can't be more exact, because I'm sure the survey results are
>  somewhere in a box in my mom's house in California.  Does anyone
>  know what I'm talking about?  Maybe a more recent PhD in the
>  sciences will know which survey I'm referring to....

     This is probably the Survey of Earned Doctorates, conducted by the 
NSF (National Science Foundation -- actually they only sponsor the survey,
the National Research Council does the actual work). 
     In 1990, the breakdown of science and engineering PhDs (including
social science PhDs) awarded to US citizens (there are other tables for 
non-citizens, also tables that include permanent residents):

     Native American  0.3%
     Asian            3.4%
     Black            1.9%
     Hispanic         2.8%
     White           90.0%
     Other/Unknown    1.5%

     Total          100.0%

(Note:  the terminology used is the NSF's; if you'd rather call these
people Caucasian, Latino, African American, Asian American, Amerindian,
or whatever, feel free.  I'm just using the NSF's labels.)

--Mike Tamada
  Occidental College
  tamada@oxy.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:03:12 GMT

andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.210306.10986@nas.nasa.gov>,
>choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>> In article <1gaoreINN919@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defenso libertatis) writes:
>> >In article r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>(tony c) writes:
>> >> Could this have somthing to do with (RACEism) in America?
>> >> 
>> >> ....Because black men were slaves to white men?
>> >> 
>> >> ....Because black men have less opportunites to obtain wealth in
>Amerikkka? 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Suggestions?          
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks!                                  Tony L. Cogdell
>> >
>> >Tony,
>> >
>> >Funny you should ask that question too! I also never seem
>> >to get a reak answer when I ask certain people why they date
>> >this or that group. Did you read my post (kinda long I admit)
>> >number 17395?
>> >
>> >In it I spoke about a question I asked a certain asian females:
>> >
>> >"Was race EVER a factor in your decision to date a white guy? 
>> >If not, why didn't you date a black guy or Latino if race
>> >was not really an issue?"
>> 
>> But many of us did.  Right, ladies?  Why didn't we discuss this?  Actually,
>> Clare Chu did.  The rest of probably refrained because the subject was AMCF 
>> vs AFCM. 
>> 
>> diana
>
>Well, Diana, what's YOUR answer?  (be truthful, now!)
>Why is it that THIS time you let someone ELSE do the talking for
>you, but no other?

Sorry ...i'd unsubscribed and someone had to point out to me that someone
had asked me a question on this newsgroup.  No, I have not gone out with a 
Latino male.  Why not?  For one, none ever asked me.  Yes, I have gone out 
with black men.  

Next time, send e-mail, (I stopped reading this newsgroup.), although I tried 
to e-mail you but it bounced.

diana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: What is...
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 02:09:37 GMT

In article <L4V4VB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> xerxes@midiline.la.ca.us
(Keith Chiem) writes:
>I've just joined this newsgroup and I would like to know what xxx-ge and
>xxx-cu mean.
>
>-----
>xerxes@midiline.la.ca.us (Keith Chiem) 
>MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285

The following post should explain the matter very clearly.
If there are any questions, from non-Chinese-cu people, then
please post; it's important that we draw a distinction between
-ge and -cu.

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Article 14423 of soc.culture.asian.american:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: caryho@cis.rand.org (Cary Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Kristi Yamaguchi
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:11:30 GMT


 I suppose if one day when your 6 years old daughter came crying to you
 and said, "Daddy, howcome Heather at school is got blue eyes but I've
 got green eyes?  I want pretty blue eyes, too."  And you're going to
 say to her, "Oh honey, it alright.  Daddy will get you a pair blue contact
 lenses and you'll be just as pretty as Heather."  I don't know about you,
 but I intend to teach my daughter (not that I have one) that brown eyes
 are just as pretty as blue, green, orange, red, or what have you.

 It is one thing to assimulate but another to try to pretend.  And I wasn't
 going to let this divert myself from work (sigh!).

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Cary Ho                          *   Still trying to catch up on my
caryho@cis.rand.org              *   readings so I can quote somebody!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques.  Why?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:52:01 GMT


The following is a fairly common attitude among those people who
are Chinese-cu (i.e. people who identify with Chinese culture
but who are not necessarily ethnically Chinese).

In article <1992Dec17.025126.22261@hspice.portal.com>
georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>     At my last employer, there was a very high level manager of a particular
>ethnicity (omitted because it's irrelevant).  In his projects, there was a

Mr. Wu does not identify this ethnicity, leaving it omitted, but he
does indentify one racial group--Whites--in his workplace.  Interesting.

>very unusual number of people of the same ethnicity.  I (correctly, I think)
>attributed this to an overlap between his social and professional circles.
>Of course, there was some grumbling from certain whites in the company, just
>as there were about a similar occurance in another department.
>     Here at Meta, we're trying to fill a position with a particular set of
>qualifications.  (If you're a headhunter, sorry, we don't need your services.)
>I started calling people who I know are qualified, especially those who I know
>are also looking to leave my old employer.  This means an unusual fraction of
>candidates I refer will be Asian or Asian-American.  It's the same thing.  My
>social circles include alot of professional aquaintances.  My social circles
>include alot of Asian-Americans.
>
>     Sounds alot like the old boy network in reverse now, doesn't it?

Interesting standard.  According to many Chinese-cu people, the "old
boy network" is bad if that network is White but is good if that
network is full of non-Whites--specifically Chinese-ge.  Interesting.

>							George
>
>
>-- 
>----
>George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
>Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
>Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthanayanaka)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:55:18 GMT

>>>
>>>I am another lurking AAF. Since ppl asked for input from
>>>AAF, the question being, whom do you date, and why -- here goes.
>>>
>>>  I've only dated one asian man. I DID find him attractive,
>>>and partly it WAS because of his race. But I have also dated
>>>causcasian men, mostly Jewish, god knows why.  I've also dated
>>>a Hispanic woman. I've also dated several caucasian women.
>>>Race HAS played a part in why I dated these people....
>
>--stuff deleted--
>
>>Please do not take this post offensively but I'm just curious about your gender.
>>You seem to be dating both gender ??? For instant, "I've only dated one asian man. 
>>I've also dated a Hispanic woman. Similarly, one Caucasian guy I dated...Similarly, 
>>one Caucasian woman I dated..." It may be my ignorance for the abbreviations of 
>>"ppl" that is causing this curiosity.
>>
>
>Maybe the young woman is bisexual.  Did that thought ever occur to you?  By
>the way, I applaud her for her openness in discussing her dating preferences.
>I wish there were more frankness and honesty on this group and less petty
>arguments.  Just my $.02
>
>Rob
> 
Someone else also said the same thing about her. I guess I'm just not use to 
hearing from a bisexual and would also like more openess. I think ALL Asian 
American females are attractive despite their sexual preferences.

TU




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:55:18 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <dh.724508589@dcs.ed.ac.uk> dh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Doogie) writes:
>I think its true to say that het sex is the *fastest growing* method
>of HIV infection worldwide.

You're right.  According to the latest WHO stuff 75% of the HIV/AIDS
cases in Cuba are heterosexual.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10911 ca.politics:10403 soc.motss:52738
From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: AIDS Sweeps Asia is Bogus
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: camino.pa.dec.com

In article <71709@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Hu's on First -
|> Dec. 7, 1992
|> 
|> Abstract - Current estimates that claim Asia will soon claim half of new
|> AIDS cases are completely without basis, but universally accepted without
|> question. Claims that this is proof that Asian Americans need to fear AIDS
|> is absurd because AIDS among Asian Americans is already higher than among
|> almost any nation in Asia - it just gets less publicity.
|> 


Have you considered renaming your column to, "Denial Springs Eternal"?  Or do you
not want to fight Bill Watterson for the copyright?



-- 
We don't care, we don't have to, we're Amtrak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (carole e mah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: henry liu
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:54:34 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Dwight Joe sez:
>As long as she is going to bandy Mr. Chin's name in "proving" racism on the
>part of that system, then she must also, in fairness, mention Henry Liu.
>
>(Note that Henry Liu's murder was premeditated 1st degree murder, the
>highest capital offense.)
>
>Why the double standard?
      No double standard, dwight joe. Ignorance.  If I had known all
about mr. liu, if the media made a big deal about it like they should
have, his name would also be a household word.
      c
--- Thelma and Louise in '92! ---
carole elaine mah
st701852@brownvm.bitnet
st701852@brownvm.brown.edu
Carole_Mah@brown.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive?  (was Re: OFWM....)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com 
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.171640.5520@nas.nasa.gov> choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>(Kendra Lynne Hershey) writes:
>>It sounds like this thread contains a bunch of really insecure AA guys who
>>like to complain a lot. I can't believe all the bashing of AA females that's
>>going on.  <....>

AA females aren't the only ones being "bashed" in this thread.  I guess each
side only sees what they want to see.

>No kidding.  When I first posted, some AA females wrote me that this topic
>usually generates a lot of female-bashing ...and then they added "and
>these guys wonder why we don't want to go out with them - duh".

Duh yourself.  That's the oldest line in the book.  I hear this practically
every time this thread comes around.  It was fallacious reasoning then, and
it still is now.  Or do you and your e-mail friends think AAMs are that easily
manipulated?

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:15:34 GMT

In article <masahiro.724531993@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu> masahiro@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (Masahiro Kono) writes:
>Then there's the Japanese cop who befriends Michael Douglas then gets
>killed in Black Rain;

Just a slight correction, the Japanese cop didnt get killed, it was MD's
partner from the states that got killed.  The strange thing is that I
heard that Japanese actor (forgot his name) is really well known in Japan
for his Yakuza roles in movies.  I recall seeing one in Japan, where in this
scene somehow his shirt gets ripped off, and he's got a back full of tatoos.
Of course he's standing there stoically, while everyone else in the udon-ya
run screaming, like they found a cockroach in their food. :)

RT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:35:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


		masahiro@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (Masahiro Kono) :
		> there's the Japanese cop who befriends Michael Douglas 
		> then gets killed in Black Rain;

	rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) :
	> Just a slight correction, the Japanese cop didnt get killed, it was 
	> MD's partner from the states that got killed.  The strange thing 
	> is that I heard that Japanese actor (forgot his name) is really 
	> well known in Japan for his Yakuza roles in movies.  I recall 
	> seeing one in Japan, where in this scene somehow his shirt gets 
	> ripped off, and he's got a back full of tatoos. Of course he's 
	> standing there stoically, while everyone else in the udon-ya
	> run screaming, like they found a cockroach in their food. :)

As I understand it in Japan, tattoos, especially full-body tattoos are
associated with criminals, particularly Yakuza. So anybody who has a tattoo
is thought to be part of the Japanese crime gangs.

Now time out for a little drooling on my part (indulge me) - I find the
Japanese full-body tattoos to be incredibly erotic. If anybody saw the
movie "Showdown in Little Tokyo" with Brandon Lee and Dolph Lundgren 
(affectionately known as Dunk Lunkhead), the Japanese Yakuzas all had
full-body tattoos. Wow and woW.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bshieh@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Shieh)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:13:09 GMT

    A former Asian American studies TA of mine once observed:

 People see a bunch of White guys hanging out wearing the same jackets and 
they see a fraternity.

 People see a bunch of African_Americans hanging out wearing the same 
jackets and they see a gang.

 So what do people see when they see a bunch of Asians hanging out wearing
the same jackets?

-Ben
 bshieh@cory.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthanayanaka)
Subject: Re: looking for asian jokes
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:35:11 GMT

You may have heard this already 'cause it was posted in the soc.culture.korean a 
while back. It goes something like this.
 
 
 
Why don't you see Koreans play Hockey?
Becuase everytime they go to a corner they open up a store.
 
 
 
Hey I didn't write it, I'm just passing it along.