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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: OSU Falls to Wisconsin!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:30 GMT

Patrick W Lauson writes:

>Actually, if OSU wins the rest of their games up to Michigan, then the game
>will indeed be for the Roses.  If OSU doesn't win all their games up to
>Michigan, its unlikely they will be 2nd in the Big 10...

I was thinking that too, but then I looked at the schedule.  Wisconsin does not
play Michigan this year.  That means that if Barry Alvarez can keep the 
emotions running high in Madison we may see the Badgers  in Pasadena on NYD!  
Maybe not, but Wisconsin is in a very strong position to go bowling.

     - Pat
.
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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: penn state's "ranking"
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:19:43 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct6.142101.15257@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> yecx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Isn't it interesting that of the worst twenty teams in the nation, Penn State
>has played three of them (Maryland, Temple, Cincinatti), even had trouble with
>one of them (Cincinatti) and can be considered in the top ten of the country. 
>I believe they shouldn't get any credit until they DESERVE it.  Really now,
>what have they done to prove themselves.   IF  they win this weekend, the
>discussion might be different.  Until then . . . .

I agree with this arguement, but we needto consider what publication put out    this listing the the "worst 20". Penthouse doesn't qualify as sports news to me.Although SI said that NMState was the worst team in 1A and they've already won  three games. But read this listing with some caution.

-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
for free is your feelings hurt.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Subject: Re: Palmetto Football Tuesday #5 - September 29, 1992
Keywords: South Carolina Clemson Furman Citadel
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:17:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.025427.20433@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
|> 
|> Schedule and progress:
|> Sep  5 - Ball State         - won 24-10
|> Sep 12 - Florida State      - lost 20-24
|> Sep 19 - open
|> Sep 26 - at Georgia Tech    - lost 16-20
|> Oct  3 - UT-Chattanooga     - 1 pm     - did not play last year
|> Oct 10 - at Virginia        - 1 pm     - tied 20-20

	Moved to 3:30 for ABC-TV


|> 
|> ACC standings:
|> 
|>                        conf   all
|>    Florida State      4 0 0  4 0 0
|>    Virginia           3 0 0  4 0 0
|>    NC State           2 1 0  4 1 0
|>    North Carolina     1 1 0  3 1 0
|>    Georgia Tech       1 1 0  2 1 0
|>    CLEMSON            0 2 0  1 2 0 <--- YES ! way down here !
|>    Wake Forest        0 2 0  1 2 0
|>    Duke               0 2 0  1 3 0
|>    Maryland           0 2 0  0 4 0
|>  
|> ---------------------------- 


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: #1 Washington vs #2 Penn State
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:03:09 GMT

mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>         That's right! It time for the 1992 version of the nets' favorite
>            game..... How Penn State will win the MNC!!

>         O.k. can anybody find a problem with this..................

>         -Washington goes undefeated the rest of the year

>         -Penn State goes undefeated the rest of the year
(Excuse me while restrain myself from giggling to death....
>         -UCLA goes undefeated in the PAC-10 this year
Can't happen now.

>        If these 3 things occur, then UCLA and Washington will be tied for
>        the PAC-10 championship (they don't play each other).  Since UCLA
>        has gone longer without going to the Rose Bowl, they get to go
>        (where they get crushed by Michigan).  Washington exercises the
>        option to bail out of the coalition if the MNC is involved, and
>        takes the big bucks to play Penn State, who should be ranked #2
>        or #3 after beating Miami and Notre Dame.  Of course, this assumes
>        Washington doesnt pull a Miami and puss out on playing the highest
>        available team.
>        Well, whadda ya think?
I think that rule about the Rose Bowl has been revoked. Besides, the SEC 
will produce a heavily beaten up MNC contender, and Michigan might just 
hold together long enough to give washington a run for it.

And besides, we all know that Colorado will play Miami for the title this 
year. And this time, Colorado will play Miami close. Really. within 7 points.

>-------
>========================================================================
>  Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
>                                         1991 National League Champions!!

>  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu

> "Who cares about grades? Who cares about life? Who cares about me?....
>  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rusty@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Rusty Puckett)
Subject: Re: Alabama vs La. Tech
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:43:33 GMT

gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (The Corinthian) writes:



>Final Score:    Alabama     13
>                La. Tech     0


>The Deuce is back!!

>Unfortuately, so is our offense.   

>Sigh.




>Bin
>gt6249c@prism.gatech.edu

Alabama's offense isn't that bad, even without the deuce.  A replay of that 
runback shows an illegal block (in the back of a Tech defender) that would have 
had a better shot at Palmer.  Also, don't forget that La Tech's defense is also 
one of the best in the nation.  Ask Jay! He said it was the best he's ever 
played against!! Alabama's defense is still second to none in my opinion despite
Curry being held to ZERO tackles. Roaf, the offensive lineman going against 
Curry is the best I've ever seen and is predicted to be a first rounder.  

La Tech is highly underrated, and with a fairly tough schedule may still get a
bowl bid.  All the 'bama fans I've talked to since the game are highly compli-
mentary of Tech.  It was a great game!!
From: lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: All these Penn State Predictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:42:35 GMT
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research


It's interesting to see that so many people have so much knowledge
about Penn State and where they should be ranked when they:       
  
    a) have not seen them play a game
    b) can not name 3 players on the Nittany Lion team
    c) couldn't even describe the type of offence they are running
       this year or how many pass att/game they are averaging.

maybe you folks should see about getting votes in one of the many
media polls (they never have a clue about the teams they are ranking either)


John L

PS:  Is Miami's #2 spot based on there performance against this years
     powerhouse Iowa... Who did FSU beat - Clemson???... What about
     ND and Michigan - other than their tie, who did they play... 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser)
Subject: Re: Sorry, Gophers!
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:15:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.013828.3525@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, jtrobin@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (J.T. Robinson) writes:
> 
> 
> Matt,
> 
>      Each time you post to net the with your opinions about football teams, I wonder if you have even ever watched a football game or know anything about it.
> Maybe it is just that you are so biased that you can't tell what is really 
> 

No, I love my team but I am in touch with reality.  They would get the hell kicked out of them
by many of the teams ahead of them in the polls, but they would also play tough and probably win
against the teams just ahead of them. ( Not trying to start a flame war, so lets not get into
a 'You'd never beat Bama' fight )  We will have to have some luck on our side to get past
the Huskers, Sooners, and KU, but we do have the talent to just that - with some breaks.
I just get sick of hearing excuses and crap like 'we should
have won, your team really isn't that good', etc. etc.  You might not think we are any good,
but we beat you.

Matt Weiser
weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com
Go Buffs!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Danny Ford Back
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.150745.26734@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
>I just heard ex-Clemson coach Danny Ford was hired as an Assistant Offensive
>Coach, Consultant, by Arkansas.  What is THAT???  If your going to hire me 
>give me a big title!

    Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
From: ds4@soc12.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND-Miami (more and more)
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.230256.20038@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@joplin.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
|> Sure John, whatever you say.  First you guys schedule a Division I-AA
|> powerhouse, Florida A&M ... and then you almost lose to Arizona at
|> HOME.  Notre Dame at least tied a respectable team ... let's see how

Yes Rob, as you brilliantly put it, you have the tie, while the Canes have the
win.

|> the mighty Canes do against a real opponent.  If this Saturday was any
|> indication, I think the loyal Cane fans are in for a LONG season.

Yes, what this Saturday said is that the Mighty Hurricane Defense can win a game,
even if the qb had a bad game (the numbers do not tell the story correctly as I
have heard).  The got a safety, and held Arizona to only 7 points.

|> 
|>                 - rob
|> 
|> 
|> P.S. Thank's for continuing to make such wonderful bonhead comments
|>      like your last few postings.  If anyone thought Miami fans had
|>      even the slightest bit of intelligence, you probably changed their
|>      minds.  Thanks again.


Rob, you are just too brilliant for this newsgroup...we are not ready to share
in your vast wisdom for we are only mortal...so do not post here any more; for
our sake.....

-ds4
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Cal 42, Oregon St. 0
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.053104.11881@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:

>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>All true, but White's running a real uphill battle for the Heisman.
>>His main obstacle is not Marshall Faulk, but the Cal coaches, who
>>have made it plain that they don't want a one-man show on offense.
>>White is being used as one of several very good backs on the team.
>>Toss in the potent passing attack, and it's not easy for White to
>>stand out on the Bears.
>>
>>It's kind of a shame, because I'm convinced that were he to get 25-30
>>carries every game, he'd have 1500-1800 yards on the season, and would
>>have an excellent chance for the award, the East Coast Media Bias [tm]

>Then how do you explain the 39 carries he had versus Kansas?

I didn't mean to imply that he'd *never* get heavy-duty action, just
that he wouldn't get it week in and week out for a whole season.  That
appears to be necessary to have a shot at the Heisman.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu (Kevin Buttler )
Subject: Re: Notre Dame posts
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of Notre Dame-Multi media Lab
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:56:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.172905.5011@doug.cae.wisc.edu>,
saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) wrote:
> 
> Before this week, I had "Notre Dame" and "ND" in my kill file, but removed
> them because of tomorrow's Purdue game.  Yes, I probably deprived myself of
> some humorous posts, but in general, I now remember why I had these things
> killed in the first place...  Get a real life, guys.
> -- 
> 
> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


Well if anyone need to get a life I guess it would be someone who make
absurd predictions and believes in the woofing gods!??


Kevin Buttler
Instructional Technology Lab
University of Notre Dame
E-mail:  Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu
From: kenttj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Ho-Hum, Wisconsin 20, Ohio State 16
Summary: Wisconsin is better than OSU
Keywords: Wisconsin Victory
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:08:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire


	The Ohio State University	20
	Wisconsin

	I'm sure Ohio State is preaching numerous excuses about yesterday's
game, but I hope they realize Wisconsin actually outplayed them.  Both
teams are capable of outstanding and atrocious football, it just worked out
that Wisconsin's intelligence, courage, and formidable fan support was
victorious over the Buckeyes.
	Revenge will be Wisconsin's Jan. 1st vs. Washington.

	Childish Band Rebuttal:
		Yes, the UW Band uses flip folders, but at least we do a
different show every week.  It's easy to memorize the music when you play
only two different shows a year.  (like the OSU Band.)

	Florida A&M and the Aggie are great!
	But I'll settle for being better than Ohio State.

						Terry Kent
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:09:49 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Distribution: usa
 <DPASSAGE.92Sep29163330@soda.berkeley.edu>
 <aelman.717975852@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <1ao4ufINN8j8@girtab.usc.edu>
 <aelman.718311587@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <92279.184117RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92279.184117RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>I don't know who the best band in college football is, but I do know the
>Penn State Blue Band is one of the best.  My friend in the band told me they
>once played in Buffalo at halftime at a Bills game, and Buffalo invited
>them to come back anytime, any game they want to play in!!!!!!!

Yep.  And that was our worst performance, too, because of the 30 to 40 mph
winds and near-zero temperatures that day.  They loved us, though, especially
we were about the only band they ever got there which they could actually
HEAR.  That, and that even in those conditions we were way better than most
any other band in ideal conditions.

Can't wait to go there on a -good- day.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
From: jely@netxcom.netx.com (James Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND & polls
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:42:12 GMT
Organization: NetExpress Inc., Vienna, VA, USA

In article <1992Sep29.181453.16844@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>
>	After the most recent CNN poll where Penn State moved ahead of ND,
>I don't think that anyone can claim tht ND is given special favors in the
>polling system. They haven't lost to anyone this year, and you can all save
>your comments about the Michigan game, and they have still dropped 4 spots
>in this poll. You can say what you want about the competition thay have 
>beaten but PSU has exactly beaten any juggernauts either but yet they have
>continued to move up in the rankings. This is just another example of why

Umm.  If I remember correctly, PSU started out #8 (in the AP poll) and 
dropped down to 10 after the close game with Cinncinati.  They remained
there for one week, and then moved up 1 place in each of the following
weeks back to #8.  Doesn't sound like much movement to me.


**************************************************************************
* Jim Ely                  Trying to break of my lurker upbringing       *
* jely@netx.com								 *
* Disclaimer:  Do you really believe anyone would let me speak for them? *
**************************************************************************
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:23:20 CST
From:         Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Hawaii ranking
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.football.college

>
>In article <1992Sep30.173016.16677@news.Hawaii.Edu>, bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
>(William J. King) says:
>
>The New York Times ranked HAWAII #7 in college FootBall.  But then,
>what does the Times know of football.   :-)

I have them rated #12 this week.  They're 3-0 against teams that are 6-3
in other games and just beat BYU last week (they were my computer's top
pick last week).  They also won at Air Force and Oregon.

>UH has a bye this week; then on to Utah Oct 10th.

Watch out, Utah is another sleeper.  Since my Huskers stomped them in
Lincoln in the opener for both teams, UH was beaten it's last two
opponents 42-9 and 42-18.

Bapi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pat@engr.ucf.edu (Patricia A. Therrien)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:34:58 GMT

In article <19q6rfINN1hs@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>The California marching band.  High-stepping, no sheet music.  No lame
>"flag twirling" people. Close formations.
>
NOT!

Texas A&M Aggie Marching Band.  Or, if you like a little funk, the FAMU
Rattler Band is outstanding.


-- 
Patty Therrien				|   "Constantly amazed by the 
University of Central Florida		|    blades of the fan on the
Department of Mechanical Engineering	|    ceiling"
pat@engr.ucf.edu			|    ************************
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:31:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Oct6.133150.24060
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <92280.000949KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Yep.  And that was our worst performance, too, because of the 30 to 40 mph
> winds and near-zero temperatures that day.  They loved us, though, ...
> 
> Can't wait to go there on a -good- day.

That *IS* a good day in Buffalo.

-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: msm36726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael S. Mcguire)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 27-Sep
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:42:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvExqH.4Cn
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
>2    Michigan                  94.716   2-0-1  80.659  (  6,  86.590)  +4
>21   Wisconsin                 79.191   2-1-0  78.421  ( 15,  82.627)  -6
>25   Purdue                    78.078   1-2-0  81.185  ( 11,  84.052)  -14
>30   Ohio_State                76.980   3-0-0  68.880  ( 30,  77.320)  +0
>42   Indiana                   72.709   2-1-0  69.206  ( 35,  76.172)  -7
>43   Illinois                  72.595   2-1-0  71.352  ( 50,  72.929)  +7
>50   Michigan_State            72.089   0-3-0  83.402  ( 78,  65.255)  +28
>55   Iowa                      71.323   1-3-0  77.023  ( 38,  75.829)  -17
>74   Northwestern              67.636   0-3-0  84.875  ( 80,  64.377)  +6
>84   Minnesota                 64.906   0-3-0  70.998  ( 77,  65.350)  -7

Here is the Big 10 (minus Penn State)...Wisconsin second in the Big Ten
They almost lost to Northern Illinois (18-17 with two late touchdowns)
Iowa 8th...They have lost to 3 Top 25 teams (Miami, Colorado, and N.C.
State)...Also, Michigan State moves up 28 places after getting shut out
by Boston College?????  Purdue loses to Toledo...yes, Toledo...and is
25th in the country...NOT!!!!

>94   Navy                      60.053   0-3-0  80.856  ( 87,  62.583)  -7

How can anyone say that our wonderful Naval Academy is anything but 107
is crazy.  They haven't even scored a single point.  I have a tough time
believing that they are better than 13 other teams.  

Mac
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sorry, Gophers!
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:36:15 GMT
Reply-To: mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.  Eagan, MN.

In article <1992Oct2.162437.3122@walter.cray.com>, mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt) writes:

>Don't know about Missouri, but Minnesota won the National Championship
>in 1960 under Murray Warmath.  Of course then they had linemen like Tom
>Browne (who I think won the Outland Trophy), Bobby Bell (who I think won
>it in 1961), and Carl Eller (who was the runnerup to Merlin Olson in 1962).

For the sake of correctness, Bell won the Outland Trophy in 1962 (he was an
All-American in both 1961 and 1962) and Eller's senior year was 1963 so he
was a freshman in 1960 and didn't play on that team (freshmen weren't eligible
for varsity competition back then).  Tom Brown (sorry that I misspelled his
name in the earlier post) did win the Outland Trophy in 1960 and Eller was the
runnerup in 1963 which means that the Gophers had two winners and one runnerup
in four years.  Wonder if that has ever happened elsewhere?  Makes you wonder
why Minnesota didn't continue to attract the best high school linemen after
that sort of success.  There wasn't a coaching change for 8 years after this
and no problems with the NCAA(A, I will leave to the reader to decide what the
final A stands for).
-- 

Maynard Brandt
mb@lotus.cray.com