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From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: Canadian Cowardice (was: Re: White-colour criminals)
Originator: cs911461@a06.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:40:10 GMT


In article <LABACH.92Oct16100235@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) demonstrates his Canadian stupidity with:
 
>> Criminals are arrested, charged, tried, convicted or acquitted, and
>> possibly sentenced by the Canadian legal system.  Your sister was not
>> treated as a criminal.  While I didn't expect in the least that you
>> would have any proof for your paranoid delusions about whites being
>> treated as "criminals", presenting this as evidence is lame, even by the
>> standards of you and your AD&D buddies.
>> 
>> Your sister going to school with a whiner does not show that whites in
>> Canada are treated like criminals.  Have you any examples of arrests,
>> charges, trials or other activities from the Canadian legal system that
>> demonstrate discrimination against whites?


What's AD&D?

Only morons can't recognise metaphores and other linguistic tools used
by literate individuals to communicate ideas in prosaic form.  The use
of the word 'criminal' was a mistake.  I guess I was writing for an
American audience and should have assumed that idiot Canadians might
read it in 'literal' mode.  The original post was *very* well received
amongst Americans.  Why don't you just go public and say that Americans
are the "scum of the Earth".  You're certainly insinuating it.

Post your own opinion on the issue before you open your mouth.  Sniping
is not fair play.

C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca

Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:30:44 GMT
	<LABACH.92Oct6083534@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct6.172258.18597@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct6.172258.18597@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
> 	   Lookit, that's your interpretation.  Who the hell do you think
> 	   you are, Jesus?  Other people are agreeing with me.  Does this
> 	   mean that they're all children too?  

No, it doesn't mean they're all children, because I've yet to see anyone
else put forward your sort of bizarre views of how hard white people
have it in Canada.  I'd say that's largely because the people who would
agree with you are in therapy for their paranoid fantasies.

						Maybe you're just one of 
> 	   these non-WASP bigots I'm describing.
> 

And of course, a non-WASP's opinion is not worth anything in your
fantasy role-playing view of life.  I'm waiting for you to tell me I'm a
traitor to the white "race".

- terry -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"If I find myself talking to George Steinbrenner or Pat Buchanan, I know
 that I am listening to the news and opinions of the late Pleistocene;
 Henry Kissinger speaks to me with the authority of somebody fully in
 command of the wisdom of 1848; the conversation in the cafeteria at
 Bell Laboratories takes place somewhere in the second half of the
 twenty-first century."
 - Lewis H. Lapham
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:12:30 GMT
	<LABACH.92Oct7125231@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct8.003634.2999@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct8.003634.2999        In <1992Oct1.012930.10466         
@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>                @newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>          
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D.   cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN
ARMOUR) writes:                         ARMOUR) writes:                   
                                                                          
 This is further proof that a white     "Whitey" must think about golf or 
 person cannot even mention the issue   something whenever he passes a fem
 of race relations without being        who's religion ordains that she we
 called a racist.                       scarf on her head and not show her
					legs to anyone but her husband bec
					this is such an admirable custom. 
					"Whitey" must be forced to give   
					preferential treatment to those th
					despite all these measures, he    
					mistreats and abuses because he is
					incur- able.                      
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From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:40:58 GMT
	<LABACH.92Oct7125231@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct8.003634.2999@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Followup-To: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca

In article <1992Oct8.003634.2999@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes: 
> 
> In article <LABACH.92Oct7125231@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes: 
> >> And I'm not even prejudiced against you yet, because I honestly suspect
> >> that you are in need of either some real life experiences or psychiatric
> >> counselling to rid you of your paranoia about people of other races and
> >> religions.
> 
> This is further proof that a white person cannot even mention the issue
> of race relations without being called a racist.

No, it isn't any such proof, because I never called you a 'racist'.  A
paranoid with delusions of persecution by people of other races, sure.
A child who had too little experience of the world to understand the
meaning of his writings or the reasons for the negative response to
them, yes.  A fabricator who has concocted a fairy tale about how white
people in Canada are treated like criminals, definitely.  But I never
called you a 'racist'.

- terry -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm so sick of being treated like a criminal in the country I was born
 (Canada) simply because I'm white."
 - cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) 
   in <1992Oct1.012930.10466@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: cs911461@a01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:17:44 GMT


In article <LABACH.92Oct9082854@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:

>> You're missing the point (again).  You said that science students are
>> "all in favour" of some military spending project at York.  I pointed
>> out that not all science students get a hard-on for military work.
>> While I don't know any current science students at York, I have known
>> some in the past who would not have agreed with you.
>> 
>> You must have a very limited experience of the world to imagine that
>> everyone can be placed in neat little boxes - white supremacist
>> undergraduate scientists vs. vegetarian eco-freaks, WASPs against the
>> non-white races - but that's OK, you'll grow out of it.
>> 
>> (That being said, I don't think building the atomic bomb during WW II
>> was a bad thing.  That should confuse your black and white view of the
>> world! :-)
>> 
>> - terry -
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Basically, "whitey" must encourage the dark races so that they'll be
>>  lenient when they take over."
>>  - cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D.  ARMOUR) 
>>  in <1992Oct1.012930.10466 @newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>


Oh goody!  

You must have a very limited experience of the world if you believe
that every time a white person says the word "black" they are a 
white-supremacist.  Not everyone can be placed into such neat little
boxes.

If you support the building of the A-bomb, why are you now saying that
the International Space University is evil because it's about to 
become an engine of the US military?  Don't you realize that when you
make toast in your GE toaster or watch television on your RCA or sit
at your IBM computer with Intel chips, you are directly supporting the
US military?  Face it, just because something may be military doesn't
mean that it's evil.  Should we now abolish the wheel because it was
a military invention?  FURTHERMORE, you haven't researched the ISU.
If you had, you'd learn that it's charter declares it an "institution
dedicated to the peaceful exploration of space".

AND TO CONCLUDE...

You style yourself as such a well-read literary expert.  Surely you
must have noticed that the quote used in your signature is from:

          *** None other than the famous CANADIAN poet ***
                       *** LEONARD COHEN ***

                        *** in his work ***

                 *** "The last tourist in Havana ***
                 *** turns his thoughts homeward" ***

I thought for sure that you'd get that, being the well-versed 
Canadian literary critic that you are.  Pfft...


C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:54:45 GMT
Distribution: york
	<LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct6.173553.18800@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct6.173553.18800@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes: 
> In article <LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes: 
> 
> >> Of course, people like Einstein and Oppenheimer wouldn't agree with you,
> >> but they probably wouldn't count as scientists to you because they
> >> didn't listen to Rush.
> 
> 	   Oh yeah?  Quote them!

Yawn.  Like shooting fish in a barrel...

 "The problem of how man should act if his government prescribes actions
 or society expects an attitude which his own conscience considers wrong
 is indeed an old one.  It is easy to say that the individual cannot be
 held responsible for acts carried out under irresistible compulsion,
 because the individual is fully dependent upon the society in which he
 is living and therefore must accept its rules.  But the very
 formulation of this idea makes it obvious to what extent such a concept
 contradicts our sense of justice.
 "External compulsion can, to a certain extent, reduce but never cancel
 the responsibility of the individual.  In the Nuremburg trials this
 idea was considered to be self-evident.  Whatever is morally important
 in our institutions, laws, and mores can be traced back to
 interpretation of the sense of justice of countless individuals.
 Institutions are in a moral sense impotent unless they are supported by
 the sense of responsibility of living individuals.  An effort to arouse
 and strengthen this sense of responsibility of the individual is an
 important service to mankind.
 "In our times scientists and engineers carry particular moral
 responsibility, because the development of military means of mass
 destruction is within their sphere of activity.  I feel, therefore,
 that the formation of the Society for Social Responsibility in Science
 satisfies a true need."
 - Albert Einstein, writing on the Society for Social Responsibility in
   Science
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Bush is...
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.091858.2383@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

	[re: Rush Limbaugh]

|> I always hear the stupid "fascist Republicans" remark.  Now, I'm in
|> College Republicans and we never go around heckling the Democrats,
|> but some idiot comes up to our table and makes some stupid remark,
|> instead of starting an intelligent deabte.

	You want intellegent debate and Rush Limbaugh in the same conversation?
Are we still talking about the guy who uses words like EcoFacist and FeminNazi
the way some people eat peanuts? A guy who routinely referrs to the next
president as "Slick Willie"? A guy who has no obvious dedication to the
whole truth, just the part that supports what he wants to say?

	If you want intellegent debate, start with some. Try George Will or
any of the other conservative writers/speakers that manage to hold discourse
without relying on insults and straw men to make their point.

	(Is it just me or does it sound like I'm stating the obvious?)

-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
  "[Ronald Reagans] support of George Bush is absolutely not as lukewarm
  and halfhearted as it appears"  -- Ed Meese 1992

Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Rush is...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:28:12 GMT

In article <BvzoE9.397@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.175409.18425@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>
>>There are a lot of people posting to this group who DO heckle
>>Democrats (eg., calling them "socialists").
>
>Some people believe in calling a spade a spade.  The Democrats advocate
>state control as the solution to every problem in society, the redistribution
>of wealth, and no limits (except perhaps on speech and press when it suits
>them) on the power of government to meddle in private affairs.  Of course,
>in certain cases like they happen to take a position which doesn't involve
>government force, but I can't think of an issue for which the basis of that
>positon is taken because they don't think that the proper powers of the
>government extend there.
>
>If the democrats are not socialists, what are they?  They do bear some
>resemblance to fascists (as do the republicans), but "socialism" is
>probably the most appropriate description of the democratic philosophy.
>
>You might not like that epithet, but that doesn't make it an empty insult.
>
>--Brian

That's what I've been saying about Democrats for a long time.  They say
"No, it's not socialism, it's economic democracy" Yeah right.

BTW--notice how countries that were (and a few that still are)
communist use have "Democratic" in their names?? (i.e. German DEMOCRATIC
Republic).>

Simon
_________________________________________________________________
"Liberals are but cockroaches before us!!!" - Doktor S.



Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:52:31 GMT
	<LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct6.173553.18800@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct6.173553.18800@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
   In article <LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
   >> Of course, I'm sure the fact that a blatant counter-example like this to
   >> your paranoid fantasies won't change your mind.  (WHY do they let
   >> undergraduates post to Usenet?)

	   You're assuming that undergrads are garbage just like you
	   assume WASPs are garbage... predjudiced faux-liberal.

And I'm not even prejudiced against you yet, because I honestly suspect
that you are in need of either some real life experiences or psychiatric
counselling to rid you of your paranoia about people of other races and
religions.

- terry -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"The Irish are a fair people; they never speak well of one another."
 - Samuel Johnson
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From: jmoody@netcom.com (Jim Moody)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:29:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

So, Brian, you resent government interference in your business and say, sue
me if some one is harmed?  Well, why do you think you must suffer under what
is, as you point out, argueably, a great deal of government regulation?  It's 
because there were irresponsible businessmen who feathered their own nests
with no regard for the harm done to the public.  We could go way back and
cite one of the cases that was instrumental in bringing the FDA into existence,
one in which a manufacturer sold pills containing tape worm eggs as diet pills,
and work our way forward through garden variety pollution cases - paper companies
dumping raw chemicals and sewage into the Fox River in Wisconsin etc - on up to 
manufacturers dumping highly toxic waste into the groundwater system.

It's all very well to say, sue me if I harm.  But if you are one of those who
is willing to risk not getting caught, the consequences of irresponsible
actions are not undone by simply offering money.  Brain damage, dead children,
toxic pollution that will take years to clean, all of those things isn't cured
with a monetary mea culpa.  

So while I regret the bad guys who brought about the necessity for the regulations,
just like I resent the bad drivers who drive up myinsurance rates and etc, it
is probably a necessary thing, and you must just suffer because of evil
and self-centered businessmen who cared too little for the welfare of the workers
and members of the public who were damaged because of their actions.

:wq

-- 
Jim Moody	jmoody@netcom.com	(415) 978-3289
===================================================================
    "The mystery does not get clearer by repeating the question"
         "nor is it bought by going to amazing places"*
                                                          Rumi
==================================================================     
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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is...
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:49:24 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Oct8.091858.2383@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>You were asking for examples of alleged liberal hypocrisy concerning
>free speech.  What I was talking about wa not a specific case but rather
>just what I run into on a regular basis.  Whenever the subject of Limbaugh
>comes up in a discussion the first thing heard is some obscenity.
	You really need to decide what your complaint is.  First you claimed
"they" were demanding that Limbaugh be silenced:
>  and yet totally lose it when Rush Limbagh comes on- I
> always hear someone saying how he should be silenced. This comes
Now you're just pissed because some folks don't like what Limbaugh says.  In
what way is this "hypocrisy concerning free speech"?  Are you under the
impression that one must approve of what a speaker says in order to support
the speaker's right to voice an opinion?  If so, you are very confused.

> from people who a few minutes earlier were defending free speech,
> demanding that someone be silenced.
	There you go again.  I dunno...maybe *you* want to silence folks who
disagree with you, but free speech advocates don't see it that way.
	So, once again:  *what* "free speech advocates" are *demanding*
that either Rush LImbaugh or even you, for that matter, should be "silenced"?
And *please* try to remember that saying that either of you is a rightist
twit may be an insult, but it is *not* a demand that you be silenced by
anyone.


Chuck
No .sig, no frills, no foolin'

--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:09:36 GMT
	<LABACH.92Oct7125231@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct8.003634.2999@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club


In article <1992Oct8.003634.2999        In <1992Oct1.012930.10466            
@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>		@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>             
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D.	cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D.
ARMOUR) writes:   			ARMOUR) writes:                      
					                                     
 This is further proof that a white	Canada is "praised" as a             
 person cannot even mention the issue	multi-cultural "heaven on Earth" wher
 of race relations without being	everyone can live together           
 called a racist.			harmoniously regardless of their     
					creed, religion or skin colour.  This
					is total crap.  What it really means 
					is that "whitey" is an evil fiend who
					gets everything he has "real easy" an
					never has to experience hardship in  
					any form.  Furthermore, "whitey" must
					pay special attention to everything  
					that he says, does and thinks because
					he is to blame for the world's       
					problems.                            
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:14:46 GMT
	<LABACH.92Oct7125231@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Oct8.003634.2999@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct8.003634.2999        In <1992Oct1.012930.10466           
@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>                @newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>            
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D.   cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D
ARMOUR) writes:                         ARMOUR) writes:                     
                                                                            
 This is further proof that a white     I'm so sick of being treated like a 
 person cannot even mention the issue   criminal in the country I was born  
 of race relations without being        (Canada) simply because I'm white.  
 called a racist.                       Bring on the melting-pot.  This     
					"mosaic" garbage is a noble idea but
					is only a fine example of simple-   
					minded idealism.  That is, itself, a
					crime greater than anything Hitler  
					could have ever done.
					
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