HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: RE: Feminism.. sati is good
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:07:56 GMT

I'm completely confused by the attributions in this article.

Manoj, did you write any part of this article, or did you
simply compile Ajay and Meha's posts? Please indent where
appropriate to separate your comments from other posters.

Rohit Thukral

In article <770@iac.uunet.uu.net>, iac!manoj@uunet.uu.net (Manoj Achrekar) writes:
|> 
|> In article <Bu4IAE.2LE@wpi.WPI.EDU> wizard@maxine.wpi.edu (Ajay Khanna) writes:
|> The honorable iac!meha@uunet.uu.net (Meha) chanced to say:
|> 
|> Hey, you have been hanging around too many men that you have not realized
|> that women are the ONLY 'intelligent' ones, period!!!
|> 
|> - Meha             
|> 
|> This new direction of feminism troubles me.  Many public feminists
|> (who, incidentally, have support from both sexes) have taken the
|> original idea behind feminism (which was equality) to be the
|> superiority of women over men.  The above poster may not be a believer
|> of that, but it just reminded me of this raging war by public
|> feminists to make women more equal than men.
|> 
|> Definition:
|> public feminist: n, feminist who takes upon herself the role of a
|> leader and holds meetings, press conferences, etc. to further the
|> cause of women and feminism.
|> 
|> IMHO, there is a need for both sexes to stop and think about what
|> their roles ought to be in society, now and in the future.  Current
|> scientific theory has convincingly proven that there are established
|> physical, mental, and emotional differences between men and women.
|> How many people here read the cover story "Men and Women: New Findings
|> Show They Are Really Different" (?!) in Time magazine sometime earlier
|> this year?  While I had already read much of what was discussed
|> before, for many coworkers of mine, it was a new study.
|> 
|> -Ajay Khanna
|> 
|> Note: Standard claimers apply.  I, and I alone, am wholly and
|> completely responsible for all my opinions.  But, if you want to sue
|> somebody, please try /dev/null :)
|> 
|> 
|> I agree that both sexes have a particular role in society.
|> It just disappoints me to hear of such men as Mr. Suresh who has
|> no respect for women and their intelligence.
|> 
|> -Meha

-- 
#include <StdDisclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Arrogant Indians and Susan Forgach
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:57:44 GMT

(Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>
>So do I. I just cannot see how the Supreme Court has the authority to
>make those compromises that are more the functions of lawmakers. That seems like a 
>legitimate legislative function left either to the states or to Congress.
>But then, we are treading into a wholly different area -- that of judicial
>restraint vs activism.

Interesting! Say, can you please tell us how you distinguish the
separation of powers between the judiciary and the legislature!
For example, is Brown outside the purview of the Supreme Court?
How about Miranda? Plessley?

Satya Prabhakar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.history
From: nalin@athena.mit.edu (Palitha Nalin Wikramanayake)
Subject: Re: Were there universities in India before the British went?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:04:45 GMT

In article <192breINNd7a@aludra.usc.edu>, vnesiah@aludra.usc.edu (Deep Third Man) writes:
|> In article <190f13INNbgi@bigboote.WPI.EDU> wizard@maxine.wpi.edu (Ajay Khanna) writes:
|> 
|> >= Did you have universities in your country before the British came?
|> >
|> >My response to that (if an American asked me) would be:
|> >	We did.  Did you have universities in your country before the
|> >	British came?
|> >You can use the above line in Australia and New Zealand, too :)
|> 
|> 
|> A more frequently asked question is,
|> 
|> "Where did you learn to speak English?"
|> 
|> The answer is of course:
|> 
|> "Unfortunately, my country was a British colony, just like your's... !"
|> 
|> :->
|> 
|> - Vasee


	Other possible replies are

	"where did YOU learn to speak English?"

		and to whatever they reply say "so did I"

	or

	"did anyone ever ask you that question?"

	Nalin
From: prabhak@atto.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Telugu Word for Instinct
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:12:43 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <bandi.715551434@giga> bandi@giga.cs.umn.edu (Vijay Bandi) writes:
>In digest <BtG1q0.D16@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>
>
>>Another English word I find sort of unique is "Clever".  I am sure someone may
>>say 'jittulu' in Telugu can be close.  I doubt it.
>
>
>	how about plain,old 'telivi', telivaina etc..
>		also 'kusagra-budhdhi' or 'sookshma-graahi' ??
>
>ps: more sanskrit than 'achcha' telugu, I guess.
> 

Perhaps it is "SPHOORTI"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: joshi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (narendra.joshi)
Subject: Re: Men like Gandhi and J.P : Era of Herosim : OVERRATED ????
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:28:33 GMT
Summary: Gandhi, Ashoka: all overrated.
Keywords: Gandhi , Freedom Struggle

In article <1992Aug24.202627.18287@informix.com>, amara@informix.com (Amar Ananthapadmanabha) writes:
> >From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
> >	The man who, Churchill had called with revolting rudeness a
> >'half-naked fakir' had made history in a manner beyond his
> >comprehension.  The amazement felt by those around the world over the
> >achievement of a frail old man and the men and women he had led in
> >persuading a mighty power to give up an empire it had ruled for a
> >century and a half was expressed by Albert Einstein with striking 
> >aptness when he said that generations to come would scarce believe that
> >a man like Gandhi had walked on earth.
> 
> >..................	
> .....details of Jayaprakash Narayans movement etc , deleted .
> > [Hindu Aug  10 1992]
> 
> Any comments from the historians out there ?
> 
> Looking forward to a healthy discussion without Gandhi bashing.
> 

The problem with Gandhi is that he continued India down the path
of destruction she has been on for several centuries. At the time
of partition, India needed pragmatic leadership, with sufficient
vision to understand the complexities of post colonial politics.

Going back several centuries, the head in the sand syndrome India
has followed was started by Ashoka. He bestowed onto his sucessors,
a large empire with a demoralized army and an outlook
that was the antithesis of realpolitik.

The result of this is that India had (and is continuing) 
to endure centuries of slavery
colonialization, and economic deprivation.

Gandhi has continued the traditions of Ashoka. That he has not completely
succeeded is in part due to the wars India was forced to fight with its 
neighbours. Both china and pakistan should be given credit for this. 
There was a time when Nehru was in favour of disbanding the army and
sending the (army)personel off to farms.

Today, with much of Nehru's ideology together with the nonaligned group
discredited, Gandhian values should be closely examined, and thrown 
into the pile of theological thought where they belong.

One final note: To mark the rise of Indian maturity the 
Indian flag should be stripped of its'
Ashoka chakra.


-Naren
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Business India Computers Directory..
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:23:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T


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----
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30797 talk.abortion:35857
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Arrogant Indians and Susan Forgach
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:21:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuD0vr.10x.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <nyikos.716071594@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
#In <92252.105030RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
#
#
##-
##-The point is that Bush and Quayle are playing politics with this
##-issueby taking a fundamentalist conservative position while hedging
##-it with exception clauses.
##-
##-I think an absolute pro-life stand, though guided by sound reasoning and
##-subjective assumptions, leads to bizarre situations: a twelve year-old,
##-raped by a bunch of hooligans, being forced to give birth to the
##-child or face the electric chair for first degree murder.
#
#Trouble with your reasoning: there never was such an absolute pro-lifer
#on this net, and I don't think any pro-lifer ever advocated such a thing
#in public.  

Wrong again, Nyikos.  Steve Chaney has recently called for
just such punishment.  He was not the first.  Why do you
imagine that you know all that has been written here in
this case, given that you plead ignorance of things that
are currently being discussed?

#U.S. laws against abortion-as-manslaughter-or-murder
# targeted the abortionist, not
#the mother.  Was it any different in India?

Now I see that Nyikos is willing to be purposefully dishonest.
Shirley Wheeler was found guilty of abortion-manslaughter
in such a case.  

[text deleted]

Susan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mgklg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Ketan L. Ghelani)
Subject: LOOKING FOR LALIT AGARWAL
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:52:47 GMT

Hello,
   I am looking for Lalit Kumar Agarwal from Assam.  He was working with
HCL in India and has probably taken admission in Brown University.

Please Reply
Ketan
mgklg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:17:50 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Sep11.103219.10271@ecrc.de> sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) writes:
>FALSE!  B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T, in fact.  You could do well to learn your history.
>First,  all investigations, including his doctor's statement, show that
>Shyamaprasad Mookherji was *not* murdered.  He was already in poor health, and
>had been advised not to march into J&K with his band of Mahasabha (or Jana Sangh?)
>volunteers who wanted to force the issue by establishing colonies, specifically Hindu
>settlements to change the demographics, in Kashmir.  Mookherji was arrested for
>violating a ban on doing so (not entering Kashmir but leading a "yatra" to start
>settlements).  He died in prison, his already poor health compounded by the fact
>his lungs could not acclimatize to the lower oxygen content.
>
>Secondly, Sheikh Abdullah was not arrested for the "murder" of Shyamaprasad Mookherji.
>He was arrested for advocating secessionism (and perhaps actually because of his covert
>discussions with the CIA and other intelligence agencies).
>
>- Sanjiva
>--
>Sanjiva Prasad,  Guest Magician				E-mail: sanjiva@ecrc.de
>European Computer Industry Research Centre		Off: +49 89 92 69 91 58
>Arabellastrasse 17					Fax: +49 89 92 69 91 70
>8000 Muenchen 81, Germany				Res: +49 89 16 33 59

What you are saying is wrong Mr. Sanjiva. Shyamaprasad Mukherji was  IN FACT
murdered in prison. In fact after his murder, there was the very famous talk
given by Sheikh Abdullah that, "I have taken care of the MAN".  That was the
very remark that forced Nehru's hand and this was perhaps the only time that
Nehru's promptness in acting on a matter of this sort was praised.

Regards,
Vivek.


-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (the_tramp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: time killer!!
Keywords: plot
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:10:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Now this martian is talking some sense atleast!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 04:52:16 GMT

banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:


>Because UN resolution 2123 of January 1949 clearly states that Pakistan
>is the aggressor nation and must vaccate the land it occupied before any 
>meaningful vote on the future of Kashmir can be held.

India and Pakistan agreed on someone's right because they are occuppied
kashmiri land.
Why not to deal with Kashmiri directly?

>Since Pakistan has chosen not to comply, India is under no international
>obligation to have a plebiscite.



India is under the obligation of KAshmiris whose right of self determination
has been deprived .
>>Call U.N. forces and take Plebiscit.
>>

>Why? Kashmir is a part of India and any decision on it's fate will be held
>under the authority of the GOI and not an outside force.


Tomorrow you will tell Burma is part of India.


>>>More importantly any referendum will be meaningful only when the thousands
>>>of families (predominantly Hindu) who have been driven out of their homes
>>>are allowed to return and vote. Creating a reign a terror whereby most
>>>minorities choose to leave the valley and then calling for a plebiscite
>>>(assuming of course that the overwhelming Muslim majority will vote to
>>>seceede, which they might not) seems preposterous.
>>
>>Hindu and all other minority which has flee Kashmir Valley for any reasons
>>(I used any reasons term because some Hindus have left Kashmir because of
>>terror while some have left because of uncertainty. Many Muslims have also
>>left the Valley.) must go to Kashmir before the Plebiscit.

>They were made to leave under threat NOT uncertainty because the political
>climate in Kashmir has always been uncertain.

Including Muslims!!!!!!!!!!

>>But Minorities in the Valley makes only 4% of total population.

>Maybe. But that can be changed as shown on the West Bank and the Gaza strip.

That will be the violation of Kashmiri law.


>Samit


Bye
Adil
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Chhapaar Mela - Beant Singh, S S Mann
Keywords: Mela Punjab
Date: 12 Sep 92 10:59:02 GMT

apnews reports:
	   CHHAPAAR, India (AP) _ Chief Minister Beant Singh, the top
elected politician of Punjab, attracted about 6,000 people to his
rally at Chhapaar's fair. But an equal number gathered to hear a
rival a few yards away.
	   About 50,000 other people jammed the grounds Friday at the
annual Chhapaar Mela, or fair, that is customarily a quaint blend
Punjabi culture, fun and politics,
	   Politics in Punjab, where Sikh separatists have fought a 10-year
insurgency, has a hint of danger. About 6,000 policemen in
sandbagged bunkers ringed the grounds as fairgoers listened to
speeches or Punjabi folk singers, or took spins on the ferris
wheels.
	   The four-day-old fair has been held for the last 70 years on a
dusty field the size of 10 football fields in Chhapaar village, 90
miles northwest of Chandigarh, Punjab's capital.
	   The fair commemorates Goga, a local snake charmer, who used to
regularly display his reptiles on the grounds.
	   Assured of large rural audiences, political parties in Punjab
began holding simultaneous rallies in 1960. Held under huge,
colorful tents, the rallies became display of strength, and until a
few years ago the leaders used to arrive on elephants as a sign of
their eminence.
	   On Friday, Singh drove up to the dais in a bullet-proof car,
escorted by machine gun fitted jeeps. Simranjit Singh Mann, the
champion of the Sikh separatist movement in this northern state,
spoke about 600 yards away.
	   ``We are out to crush Sikh terrorism. And the beginning towards
this end has already been made,'' said chief minister Singh,
himself a Sikh. Eight plainclothes commandos with guns trained at
the audience encircled him.
	   Singh, whose government came to power six months ago, has
intensified security operations against Sikh rebels who have been
fighting since 1982 to set up an independent nation, proposed to be
called Khalistan, or the land of the pure. At least 15,000 people
have been killed in the insurgency.
	   The separatists claim Sikhs and their culture has been
subjugated by the Hindu-dominated federal government, which they
say also is stealing Punjab's agricultural wealth.
	   Sikhs are in a slight majority in Punjab, but nationwide form
only 2 percent of India's 844 million people. Hindus account for 82
percent.
	   ``Now we have woken up. We will only sleep with peace in our own
home, that is Khalistan,'' Mann said.
	   Beant and Mann spoke for about 25 minutes before other
politicians took over. The two men did not confront each other and
left separately.
	   Fairgoers, dressed in their best clothes, came by trucks,
tractors, bicycles, mopeds, tractors and bullock carts.
	   ``I don't know much about politics, but the politicians surely
pull a lot of crowd and that helps us,'' said Kartar Singh, a toy
seller.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha14.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Fixation with Tall, dark handsome types
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:50:16 GMT

In article <w0sntb=.cass@netcom.com>, cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher) writes:
|> (talk, dark, handsome... and inter-racial marriage stuff deleted)
|> 
|> Do you know what the instance of inter-racial relationships/marriages
|> for Indians and Americans is? If it even happens, does it tend to be
|> Indian men and american women or Indian women and american men? Does
|> anyone know of an literature or movies on the subject? Thanks.
|> 
|> diana
|> 

Going by local color, I think it is Indian women and American men, there are
four such couples (full Professors) here. Of course, as a whole, Indians,
particularly first generation Indians, do not marry even outside their own
castes let alone race. I guess prejudices are hard to pass on to their children.
Assuming that figures here reflect trends, 99 % of Indians do not marry outside.

I think there was a book by Gita Mehta about this subject, probably others'
can shed more light on this aspect.

Nath.

P.S. Personally I think all this intermarriage stuff is not good and should be 
actively discouraged. 



-- 

ZZtop, Pink F, LedZep, Queen are wimps!!	e-mail: ngopalas@buster.eng.ua.edu
Gimme Guns n Roses anyday!
From: iac!meha@uunet.uu.net (Meha Mehta - ITG Los Angeles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is good ...
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:11:43 GMT
Reply-To: iac!meha@uunet.uu.net
Distribution: usa
Organization: Investment Technology Group, Culver City, CA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Investment Technology Group, Culver City, CA
Keywords: 

In article <1561@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya) writes:
>In article <754@iac.uunet.uu.net> iac!meha@uunet.uu.net writes:
>>Hey, you have been hanging around too many men that you have not realized
>>that women are the ONLY 'intelligent' ones, period!!!
>>- Meha             
>
>:-) Being a gentleman, I can only smile and nod. :-)
>
>Atul
>
>A man opened a door for a women.
>"You don't have to do that because I am a lady.", the liberated women said.
>"Right", the man replied, "I did it because I am a gentleman."

I like your reply.  So after all Mr. Suresh is not a gentleman.

-Meha



















Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Investment Technology Group, Culver City, CA
Keywords: 

In article <Bu0oz0.1GF@wpi.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>
>>>how did you expect women to be a part of the 'intelligent' elders? 
>>>Suresh
>>
>>Hey, you have been hanging around too many men that you have not realized
>>that women are the ONLY 'intelligent' ones, period!!!
>>					     ^^^^^^
>>- Meha             
>
>Are they intelligent only '10% of the time'?
>
>
>regards
>
>Suresh [stay free] Venkat

NO! We are always 100% intelligent and YOU are so lame.

- Meha
From: mohler@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: TEST----IGNORE
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:59:05 GMT

JUST A TEST,,,,,
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NEED HELP, PLEASE READ
From: jsekhar@uceng.UC.EDU (DR J.A.SEKHAR)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:48:24 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College

Hi Everybody,

	One of my friend is trying for admission in Graduate program in
The Dept of Mechanical Engg of the following universities

(1) Univ of Alabama at Huntsville
(2) University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
(3) Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Virginia
(4) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State univ at Blacksburg
(5) University of Utah, Salt lake city
(6) Carnegie - Mellon Univ, Pittsburg
(7) Calorado state univ , Fort collins
(8) Univ of Mississippi, MS 38677

	My friend is M.Tech from IIT Madras and his field of specilization is
Numerical techinique in Heat transfer. I will be grateful if any kind soul from
the Mechanical Engg Dept of these universities gives me some information about the Dept like Finiancial Aid, Name of Professors working in the field of heat
transfer and any other useful information which he feels might help my 
friend in his application process.

Thanks in advance

Nishit Dey

You can send E-mail to jsekhar@uceng.uc.edu

or you can call me collect at 217-333-8133
From: iac!meha@uunet.uu.net (Meha Mehta - ITG Los Angeles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: iac!meha@uunet.uu.net
Distribution: usa
Organization: Investment Technology Group, Culver City, CA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Investment Technology Group, Culver City, CA
Keywords: 

In article <BuAG6p.L2p@wpi.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>>In article <1561@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya) writes:
>>>In article <754@iac.uunet.uu.net> iac!meha@uunet.uu.net writes:
>>>>Hey, you have been hanging around too many men that you have not realized
>>>>that women are the ONLY 'intelligent' ones, period!!!
>>>>- Meha             
>>>:-) Being a gentleman, I can only smile and nod. :-)
>>>Atul
>>>A man opened a door for a women.
>>>"You don't have to do that because I am a lady.", the liberated women said.
>>>"Right", the man replied, "I did it because I am a gentleman."
>>
>>I like your reply.  So after all Mr. Suresh is not a gentleman.
>>
>>-Meha
>
>
>No I'm sweet and naughty!!.......Mr. Rajesh Beri are you listening?
>					does this smell of N2 O
>
>
>Suresh



From all your comments I can tell that you are NOT sweet.  
Who in the world is Mr. Rajesh Beri?


-Meha








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