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From: dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer)
Subject: Re: guns & travel
Organization: Oracle Corp., Belmont CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:20:59 GMT
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In article <1992Oct13.151350.28175@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
>NYC has some of ths strictest gun control in the nation.  Except for
>a "continuous and uninterrupted trip" (provided for in a 1986 Federal law),
>civilians may not posess any sort of firearms within the city without
>a license.  Rifle & shotgun licenses are difficult to get; handgun
>licenses (particularly those for self protection) are issued only to
>the most powerful, connected, and influential people (Donald Trump,
>Howard Stern, and former mayor John Lindsay had no trouble getting 
>their applications approved).

I've always been under the impression that gun control laws
had some sort of loophole that would enable legislators to
claim that they do not violate your constitutional rights.

So how can I, citizen Joe, not rich or powerful, exercise my
constitutional right to keep and bear arms in NYC?

---David B. Mercer

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jsj@lgc.com (Jeffrey Jeffress)
Subject: Re: Need Information on Switzerland, Zermatt, Interlaken
Organization: Landmark Graphics LGC
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:53:00 GMT

In article <BvpzBv.E0B@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell) writes:
 
|> I agree.  I visited Zermatt recently and found it to be a real tourist trap.   
|> There is a lot of building going on and the entire town seems to now consist  
|> of hotels (many new) and shops.  You likely won't be able to see the  
|> Matterhorn anyway unless you encounter a clear day (rare?).
|> 

	Actually my experience was quite different. My wife and I were in Zermatt
during late June of last year and found it absolutely magnificant. We went
during the week for 3 days so it probably was not as crowded. Of the three days
we were there, 2.5 of them were crystal clear and a light snow fell the rest 
of the time. The snow just added to the experience. We could see the Matterhorn
PERFECTLY from our B&B balcony (we paid just under 100 SF a night. If anyone is
interested I will dig out the name of the B&B). The town was very touristy and 
tends to be expensive. I remember the train and longer lift rides costing about
$35 round trip (per person). Restraunts were VERY expensive so we opted to fix
our own meals (usually sandwiches with fresh deli meat and a good baguette). 
Having the Matterhorn out our window was simply incredible and the hiking and
scenery were fantastic. I do not think you would be disappointed but if you 
really hate being in a "touristy" spots perhaps you should choose a lesser
known location.


|> Interlaken is also touristy but there are many options in nearby towns  
|> including the ones mentioned above. 


Later
Jeff Jeffress
jsj@lgc.com
jsj@comet.rice.edu
From: U48073@uicvm.uic.edu (Cole Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Milano
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:17:57 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <9210141630.AA27852@tern.cs.rochester.edu>, hoebel@cs.rochester.edu
says:
>
>I will be traveling thru europe by train and finally flying back
>from Milano. I will have one day in Milano by myself an do
>not speak Italian...at all!
>I would like some information about getting from Milano Central trainstation
>to the Holiday Inn on via Lorenteggio. just take a taxi?
>And how about to the airport for my return flight to the states....a taxi
>again.

You may want to think about a bus to the airport; a taxi will run
about $100 or so.  Assuming the Holiday Inn is in the city, a taxi
from the Stazione Centrale should be reasonable ($10?).  Learn how
to say please and thank you, and carry a written version of the Hotel
you are staying at to show the cab driver (hint: Holiday Inn in Italian
doesn't sound anything like the way you say it).

Cole Kendall
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.british
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - United Kingdom (was Re: y)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:56:53 GMT

In article <CC.92Oct14173344@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>   United Kingdom - Consular Information Sheet
>
>   Country Description:  The United Kingdom is a highly developed 
>   European nation with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities 
>   throughout the United Kingdom are highly developed.
>
>The travel information sheets for all the other western European countries
>use the standard phrase "XXXXX is a highly developed stable democracy with a
>modern economy".  But the one for the UK quite pointedly substitutes
>"European nation" for "stable democracy".  Is the State Department trying to
>tell us something about our electoral system?  :-)

I noticed that the sheet for Liechtenstein referred to a "highly developed
constitutional monarchy", while the sheet for Luxembourg referred to a
"highly developed democracy", and the sheet for Switzerland referred to a
"highly developed European nation".  I think that whoever in the State
Department is compiling these things is just not paying attention.

Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
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From: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,ba.general
Subject: Schlepping West
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:38:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.27

A friend of mine is moving some belongs from White Plains, NY
to Berkeley, CA in near future, and looking for a truck to
drive west or someone to share U-haul expenses with.

If you're interested, call (510)549-2920 before 8:00pm PDT.
Do not respond to this account.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY)
Subject: IS there some way of reserving tickets for theater,etc overseas?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 OCT 92 12:10:05    

We are stopping in Hong Kong for a few days on the way to China. I found
out about two dance performances at Hong Kong theaters that I would
*really* like to see.  I'm afraid tickets will be sold out before
we get to Hong Kong. Is there a way to by tickets via some international
computerized type TICKETS? Is this something a travel agent could do
for me?

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: krys@dgim.doc.ca (Krystian Wirski)
Subject: Re: need info on Prague, Frankfurt
Reply-To: krys@dgim.doc.ca
Organization: Communications Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:29:37 GMT

1: Places to stay .... Hotel FORUM has a spectacular location.  It is a short subway-
                       ride away from the city centre.  Hotel INTERCONTINENTAL is a
                       walking-distance away from a lot of sights.  These are Sheraton-
                       class hotels.

2: Visas ............. When I inquired last June, these were AGAIN required for the
                       holders of Canadian passports and cost 50$.

3: Transportation .... I did it in a PURCHASE/REPURCHASE (ACHAT/RACHAT) car from
                       RENAULT (St-Bruno, QC), but then, I was driving all the way from
                       Brussels.  Check with COOKS regarding trains (Peel, just south
                       of Ste-Catherine).

4: Sights ............ CEDOK city tour departs from the square right in front of the
                       INTERCONTINENTAL.  You can buy tickets for 8$US (1991) from
                       their office across the square.  They do accept credit cards.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,bit.listserv.travel-l
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 14:30:20 -0400 
From: Pamela Eager <pd0f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Boston - Place to stay

I am looking for bed&breakfasts, condos, or houses in the Boston area
(anything in the city or reasonably close to the T will do) which would
accomodate a group of 10 people.  We would like to rent for the week of
Dec 27th.

If you have any information or ideas on how to find out about these
things please e-mail me at pd0f@andrew.cmu.edu.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: y
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<CC.92Oct14173344@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <1bi1lcINNfd9@fido.asd.sgi.com>
	<1992Oct15.104646.27698@cas.org>
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:51:13

In article <1bi1lcINNfd9@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com
(Jon Liv\esey) writes:
>|> [ lots of interesting information deleted ]
>|>
>|>    STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - United Kingdom
>|>    ============================================================
>|>    United Kingdom - Consular Information Sheet
>|>     October 7, 1992
>|>
>|>    Country Description:  The United Kingdom is a highly developed
>|>    European nation with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities
>|>    throughout the United Kingdom are highly developed.
>|>
>|> The travel information sheets for all the other western European
countries
>|> use the standard phrase "XXXXX is a highly developed stable
democracy with
a
>|> modern economy".  But the one for the UK quite pointedly
substitutes
>|> "European nation" for "stable democracy".  Is the State Department
trying t\o
>|> tell us something about our electoral system?  :-)
>
>No.   These sheets are aimed at Americans who don't know Poland
>from Portugal.   However, most of them would giggle at the idea
>that the State Department thought it necessary to tell them that
>the UK is a stable democracy.    They might need to be told that
>about Hungary or Spain, but not about the UK.

But they need to be told it about Norway??   That's disullusioning ;-)

Actually, my guess is that the phrase used is completely arbitrary.
Maybe the person assigned to type these things up got tired of
typing "a highly developed stable democracy with a modern economy"
all the time.  The only way to know for sure is to track down one
r more of the folks responsible and ask them...

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway (the historical capital in a highly developed
stable democracy with a modern economy [tm])


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Car Rental in Italy?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:19:06 GMT


I always found Hertz to be the cheapest rental company in Italy.
You can avoid the VAT by flying into Switzerland and renting there.
From: kay@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Jim Kay x3227)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Slumbercoaches and roommettes on amtrak
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:38:27 EST

can you describe how you can have a toilet under the bed in an "upper" amtrak
compartment?  I can't visualize the layout. 

roseanne
From: ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Dulles airport to Baltimore - best way?
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:18:52 GMT
Organization: University of Cambridge Computing Service

I'll be arriving at Dulles aiport in Washington DC at 6:30 pm on a Saturday,
and have to get to Baltimore (more specifically, to Towson). I also have to get
back again for an 11 am flight out the following Tuesday. So far I have heard
of the following:

(a) Bus from Dulles to Washington; then bus to Baltimore-Washington
International airport; then taxi to Towson.

(b) Rent a car.

If anyone knows of any other not excessively expensive way to do it, I'd be
grateful to hear of it. Thanks.

Philip Hazel

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From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Your favorite guidebooks
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:07:56 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <92289.162221U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> U48073@uicvm.uic.edu
(Cole Kendall) writes: 
>I was wondering whether others would like to list the guide books
>that they find most useful, best written etc.  I am thinking about
>books that go far beyond the usual list of a few hotels and touristy
>restaurants, and less widely known than, say, _Let's Go_ and the
>mass market guides.  I assume that everyone is aware of, say,
>the _Blue Guides_, the Michelin guides, the Lonely Planet and
>the like.

The South American Handbook and its more recent children have long
been my favorite guidebooks.  Not only are they informative, at times
they are very amusing.

SJM  
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - United Kingdom (was Re: y)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:00:32 GMT
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct14.195653.23885@colorado.edu>, citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:
|> In article <CC.92Oct14173344@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
|> >   United Kingdom - Consular Information Sheet
|> >
|> >   Country Description:  The United Kingdom is a highly developed 
|> >   European nation with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities 
|> >   throughout the United Kingdom are highly developed.
|> >
|> >The travel information sheets for all the other western European countries
|> >use the standard phrase "XXXXX is a highly developed stable democracy with a
|> >modern economy".  But the one for the UK quite pointedly substitutes
|> >"European nation" for "stable democracy".  Is the State Department trying to
|> >tell us something about our electoral system?  :-)
|> 
|> I noticed that the sheet for Liechtenstein referred to a "highly developed
|> constitutional monarchy", while the sheet for Luxembourg referred to a
|> "highly developed democracy", and the sheet for Switzerland referred to a
|> "highly developed European nation".  I think that whoever in the State
|> Department is compiling these things is just not paying attention.

You mean that when Chis said that the sheets for *all* the
other western European countries said "highly developed stable 
democracy" he wasn't even telling us the truth?

I'm shocked.   Naughty Chris.

jon.
From: fishkin@usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: GET ME OUT OF LOS ANGELES
Date: 10 Oct 1992 09:56:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

We've got this Weds and Thurs off and we want to take a mini-vacation.
We want to get OUT of Los Angeles.
We are willing to drive up to 2 hrs (2 1/2 OK) one way to get there.

Where should we go?  What should we see there?  Where should we stay and
eat?

Thanks for any suggestions,
Stephanie
fishkin@usc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: lwesterag@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: walking in nz
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:18:31 GMT

I'm planning on travelling to the south island of New Zealand to
do some walking/trekking.  I am looking for treks of 4-5 days and
would prefer to travel somewhere where there aren't so many people
(I hear the Milford Track can be really busy).Also how to get to the
start of any recommended walks and how to get back to the closest town
from the end of the walk (I won't have a car).  I'm planning on going
in early February.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
Gill
Gill Westera
Curtin University Library
Bentley  6102
Western Australia
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From: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
Subject: Old articles about New Orleans/Memphis
Keywords: Has anybody save these?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:24:16 GMT

I know that several articles have been posted in the last few
months about New Orleans and Memphis.  Has anybody save these, 
or is there an ftp site for an archives?  Please email me if
you have these articles/information.

Thanks, 
-- 
___________________
Margaret Wiginton
margaret@msw104i.b24b.ingr.com
From: sac@Apple.COM (Steve Cisler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: hotel in Pittsburgh?
Keywords: pittsburgh, pennsylvania
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:16:05 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


 I am going to Pittsburgh in a couple of weeks for a conference
at the downtown Hilton. I've not had good experinces with that
expensive chain, so I'd like to stay near there and pay less.

Any suggestions for something within 10 blocks?

Please email.
Steve Cisler
sac@apple.com
From: cnrdean@toxic (Sam Scalise)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Tips For Italy, per favore.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:19:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. College of Natural Resources
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cnrdean@toxic.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: toxic.berkeley.edu


Going to Italy soon.  Arriving in Rome, then travelling to
Calabria.  Will be visiting with relatives in both places.
Bringing my 3 bambini along.  Would appreciate:

o  Suggestions for Hotel in Rome.  Last time stayed in Hotel
   Leonardo da Vinci.  I think it is very expensive, and with 3
   kids, don't know if it is worth it.

o  Suggestions for place to stay in Calabria.  I will be near San
   Giovani in Fiore.  

o  Suggestions for things to visit that won't bore the kids.  I'm
   gonna force them to see some things that they will thank me for ten
   years from now.  But, would like some things that they can enjoy
   now.

o  Suggestions for a car that can seat 5 and luggage.

Thanks.
Sam Scalise
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: Renting a US car to drive to Canada
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:52:26 GMT

rstevens@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Roger Stevens) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.160331.10839@tc.cornell.edu> splee@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Seng-Poh Lee) writes:
>>Do any US Rental companies rent cars that you can drive to Canada?
>>I know most rental companies only carry insurance for the 48 contigous
>>states, but there must be a way for someone who needs to travel to 
>>Canada to do this. If anybody has done this or knows about rental
>>companies that allow this, please post, or reply.
>>

>I have rented a car in Dayton, Ohio and driven home to Canada for the
>weekend.
>I was asked if I had done this before by customs and I replied yes...
>FACT: You are not allowed, regardless of what the rental company says
>to bring a U.S. rented car into Canada. I'm not sure whether this only
>pertains to Canadians returning home.
>Source for this comment is the " I Declare...." brochure put out by
>the Government.
>They will allow you to drive to the nearest rental company and exchange
>it for a Canadian car....or they may even not allow you to cross the
>border.
>Don't be fooled.....check first.

>Hope this gives you a little feedback of value.

I have rented in september a car in Portland, ME, and had the intention
to go with this car to Canada (Quebec & New Brunswick) and return it
to Portland. I asked,
if this was possible, and each rental company told, that this was
possible, if you are *not* a canadian citizen, or if you *don't* live
in Canada.

You should tell your company about your plans and ask for a certificate
about the insurance. This one will be needed at the frontier. I had no
problems to cross the border to Canada with the rental car.

BTW. The price for the car would have been the same, if I would have
stayed in the USA.

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: US State Department on Drugs
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:01:39 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Oct15.215303.21706@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
|> Our system currently has 31 of the recently posted information notices
|> for Americans online.  I was amused by a certain repetitive quality in
|> the following section in 30 of them.  (They're not quite all identical,
|> and the posting for Croatia did not have this section, but still.....)
|> 
|> It's clear that these documents are assembled from standard bits and
|> pieces, so this effect is not really surprising, but I was amused anyway.
|> 
|> 
|> Canada <and many others>:
|>    Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, and dealing in 
|>    illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
|>    sentences and fines.

This one was NOTICEABLY different, however:

|> Netherlands:
|>    Drug Penalties:  The Netherlands enforces strict penalties for drug 
|>    possession and trafficking, when significant quantities or hard 
|>    drugs are involved.

When I was in Amsterdam in the summer of 1984, someone tried to
sell me marijuana in front of the central police station.

Across the street from there was the Melkweg (Milky Way) nightclub,
located in a municipally owned building.   In there, along with
the food and drink counters, was a table for buying various
grades and brands of marijuana and hashish.   There was a big
sign with a price list.  (But they didn't want me to take a picture
of it--the sign had a picture of a camera with a red slash 
through it.)

I assume it's still like this?

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: wtho@ciba-geigy.ch (Tom Hofmann)
Subject: Eurocheque (EC) card as ATM card in the USA
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Ltd., Basel, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:45:18 GMT

bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>A Dutch friend of mine was able to use his Eurocheque card in North
>American ATM machines.

Did somebody make the same or the opposite experience?
Does it depend on the country where the EC card has been issued?

---Tom          wtho@ciba-geigy.ch
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: San Diego/TJ airports
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:02:39 GMT

mcoulter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Alias) writes:

>Need info:  I am arriving at San Diego and need to get to TJ to get a plane.
>I am giving myself )63 hours and 10 minutes.

>My plane arrives in San Diego at 2:31 pm.
>It leave TJ airport at 5:40.

>Can this be done?

>Do I need to grab a cab and pay premium bucks or can I take public
>transit?
>how much time for both?

>thanks

Take a public bus to Downtown and go with the trolley to the mexican
boarder. The bus is about $1 and the trolley is $2.25. The bus needs
about 3 minutes to the trolley station (ask the bus-driver) and the
trolley takes about 45 minutes to the boarder.

Don't forget about your immigration. This should be done before you
pass the last gate!! There are *no* controls for tourists, who just
go to Tijuana!! (If you come on foot)

The cabs at the other side are a little bit expensive (they try to
charge you $4 to the city - you walk it in 4 minutes). So try to get
a bargain (does anybody have some serious experience?).

I think you could make it this way.

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de