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From: agarcia@remus.rutgers.edu (anthony garcia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: UPENN "Oriental" Studies
Keywords: oriental,asian,studies,penn
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:20:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hello Everyone,
	I have been reading this and s.c.f avidly since I got access
to internet. I am surveying opinions for an Asian/Pacific Islander
paper here at Rutgers University on the above subject topic.

	It seems, The University Of Pennsylvania , who will hold
a conference on Violence Against Asians to this day refers to their
asian studies department as "Oriental" Studies and is not about to
change the name.

	I would like to here opinions, information from any UPENN
alumni/students or anyone who has some comment on this topic or
calling asians "oriental". A big question our paper, Common Interest,
has been asking recently is: What countries make up the Orient?

	Please respond here or via email. The deadline for our next
paper is Sunday, Oct. 18.
					-Thanks.
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From: timlee@public.btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Bay Area Gathering
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: garyh@sco.com
Distribution: na

You are invited the 4th Bay Area SCAA get-together on Saturday,
17 October 1992.

At 11am, we'll meet at somewhere and head towards the scenic Inspiration
Point in the Berkeley hills.  Bring a mountain or road bike as the trails
are paved and wide.  There are no streets to deal with and the paths are
used as a bike or walking trail.  You can see a reservoir and the Bay from
atop of Inspiration point.  After that, we'll have dinner and go bowling
(so if your legs are tired, your arms can get even).

More information to follow.

RSVP to garyh@sco.com or timlee@btr.com.

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From: mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark Green)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:21:54 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta

In article <Bw4zuK.A7F@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.152915.25211@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>Have you lived in China?  I have and was a racial minority there and felt
>>the sting of prejudice.  Many people assumed I was a dumb tourist
>>and wouldn't understand what they were saying behind my back.
>
>Sure I've lived in China.. I was born there and I've lived there long enough
>to speak the language fluently.. As for racism, I didn't see a thing, and
>I lived in MANCHURIA-a region that was traditionally never fully under
>Han control.. As a matter of fact, I'm partly Manchu myself
>

Of course you didn't see any racism, you're chinese.  There is no
racism against chinese in China, but this is definitely not the case for
non-chinese people.  Your statement about no racism in China is the
same as a white person in North America saying there is no racism in
North America, you are just not in a position to experience it.  A member
of the majority race is very rarely in a position to experience racism
in their own country, so they often think it doesn't exist.  When someone
from another race claims that racism exists, they get very upset for
two reasons:

1) They've never seen racism, so they don't believe the claim

2) Indirectly they are being critized.
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:44:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Sorry you took it as "China-bashing". If you read the first line, the
article is a book review in the Far Eastern Economic Review. The book
is published by the Hong Kong University Press. 

Your comments are, as always, encouraged and enlightening.

Hassan
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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:08:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <Bvw4y3.Lo3@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T
Wei) writes in soc.culture.usa:


>Onto my next point; even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
>the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
>contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?

A disgrace - no. Would be dangerous to your life, though...

>Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
>that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?

Tatars (Mongols) should be viewed as barbarians because they raped and
pillaged Russia for three hundred years, bringing unimaginable suffering to
its people.
For example, after the battle at Kalka, the Tatars piled boards upon the
captured prisoners and celebrated their victory on this grisly platform among
the moans of the dying people. Is this barbaric enough for you?

As for their battle strategies, they were nothing but a human wave.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:28:55 GMT

In article <2252@usna.NAVY.MIL>, wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.142458.27322@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
> (Clare Chu) writes:

> >  They don't all belong to you Americans.

> What's this `you Americans' stuff?  I though you grew up in the USA?

     Sometimes it's hard to remember, particularly when others (no,
not anyone specifically) thinks she isn't because of the shape her eyes.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:22:31 GMT

In article <SHAW.92Oct6204751@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.190526.9818@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>	Still, I really don't think this will actually come to happen.
>   Sure, a small cult following of white floosies willing to chase Japanese
>   businessmen might develop, but this is merely because there are always
>   women willing to chase money.  In addition, I'm not willing to write
>   America off as a has-been, third world country.
>
>If you've never been to Japan, I think it's difficult to understand the
>degree to which the US is _already_ way behind.  If we don't get our shit
>in gear soon, we're going to be in *big* trouble.

Yes the U.S. better get its act together, if it expects to CATCH UP with 
Japan.  Japanese classes are already being flooded with students in
North America wanting to learn the language of this economic super power.
Some are even moving there for work, and some even for good.

Sayonara, omae-tachi!  ;)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay)
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:39:48 GMT

rap@news (Ross Paterson) writes:

>From article <Bvw4y3.Lo3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei):
>> [...] even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
>> the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
>> contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?
>> Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
>> that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?

>Because they really were barbarians.  The main improvements they
>brought to battle strategies were in the techniques of terror, like the
>Mongol practice of slaughtering all the inhabitants of a city unless it
>surrendered without any resistance at all.  Just the sort of name to smear
>one's enemies with in war-time propaganda.  Nowadays Nazi or Fascist or
>Stalinist are more popular.  Nor are Europeans the only ones among whom
>Central Asian nomads have a bad name, e.g. the various derogatory words
>in modern Chinese containing "hu2", an old Chinese term for these people.

>Ross

I believe one of the war strategies the Europeans developed in Forbidden
City, China in 1900 was to burn down everything, to kill the civilians
randomly even the city had surrendered without any resistance at all. The
allied troops were from Russia, Germany, Britain, Austry, and 4 other
European countries which I need to go over my history book to find.(Pretty
sure US was not among these 8 countries). Sounds Europeans did learn a lot
from Mongolians and improved their strategies quite a lot so that they could
be called civilized natons, right?
But this is not the point. Suppose there was a British soldier named
Paterson who did a lot of burnings and killings, those Chinese were
scared when they heard this name Paterson and they called barbarians
Patersons. What do you think?
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: more statistics
Summary: more statistics
Keywords: stat
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:42:56 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

Brand new report from the Census Bureau: 

39 percent of Asians and Pacific Islanders aged 25 or over 
had completed four or more years of college in 1991. This 
rate was almost twice that of whites at 22 percent.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:19:30 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <Bvw4y3.Lo3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
|> 
|> Isn't it amazing how many times in history Europeans have insulted each
|> other by calling them Asian names?? For instance, the Germans were often
|> referred to as "HUNS" by the British, and the Russians as "MONGOL half-wits."

These are popular misconceptions.   It was a German, Wilhelm II, who,
bidding farewell to his troops who were off to help suppress an anti-
European uprising in China, told them to conduct themselves so as
to make 'German' feared as 'Hun' had been.    Needless to say, the
name stuck.

As for the Russians, they had a long history of invasion by the 
Mogols, so it's a fairly obvious label to pin on invadres.

|> Onto my next point; even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
|> the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
|> contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?
|> Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
|> that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?

You are confused, I think.   Germans are not called Huns because
there is something disgraceful about Huns, but because the word 
Hun used to arouse fear.   The popular view of Huns was that of
a destructive horde.   In Russian popular history, there is somewhat
the same view of the Mongols.

jon.
From: fabster@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fabio Rojas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perot on AAs--Clinton on AAs
Date: 17 Oct 1992 04:33:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct16.094048.13438@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>
>Frankly, I have doubts about whether any of the presidential
>candidates recognizes Asian-Americans as real Americans; the
>only one who seems remotely conscious of our existence is
>Bill Clinton.
>
According to an article I read last summer in _the Philippine News_
Governor Clinton has a Filipina immigrant in charge of the Arkansas
state office that works to attract industries to Arkansas. Also, Clinton
is the only Presidential candidate I know of who has stated his
policy on Philippine-American relations. So, its seems to me that
among the candidates, Clinton comes closest to calling Asian Americans
"real" Americans. 

Elizabeth H. Pisares
fabster@ocf.berkeley.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 02:04:11 GMT

In article <87FgsB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>
k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
>...
>This is great: less reliance on raw materials, and 
>increased use of human intelligence.  The Japanese government or any of 
>its agencies like MITI would not lose sleep over the fact that Japanese 
>food products are not competitive on a world-wide basis.  They know that: 
>70% of Japan's agricultural needs are imported.
>...

Then, I presume that the MITI folks and Mr. Nakamichi favor an immediate
opening of Japan's market to foreign rice.  As soon as Mr. Nakamichi
returns home, he should immediately inform the LDP of his views.

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:16:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct7.181646.6388
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct7.144957.4536@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <SHAW.92Oct6204751@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>>wouldn't even play Michael Jackson songs on "white" radio stations.  Now,
>>you'll have plenty of people of all races willing to say that they find
>>Prince or Janet Jackson attractive.
>  Ack!  Where???  With all that mondo plastic surgery and bizzaro make-up?
>  I think Janet Jackson was cuter when she was a kid.  For attractive,
>  try Whitney Houston...  though she just got married.

	Hmmm.....I didn't think one stopped being attractive once they
get married...do they, Clare?



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From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:16:33 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1992Oct13.142458.27322@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
(Clare Chu) writes:
[Comments expressing irritation at obnoxious attitude of some Caucasian
American males deleted]

Clare, I don't think your comments are exactly incorrect, but I do think
they are off target.  Let's look at the original comment again:

>In article <70678@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7131a@prism.gatech.EDU (Paul Joseph Panaro) writes:
>  
>>And I still contend that those from country X who are studying in country Y and
>>who "make fun" or "look down" upon those from country X that date people from
>>country Y are xenophobic, if not racist.
>

The comment does not refer to people from country X who do not choose to
associate with people from country Y.  It refers to people from country Y
who resent the association of other people from country Y with those
from country X.  I presume you agree with the principle that everyone has
the right to associate with whom they wish?

>  Just curious, why are you guys so upset with ZZZ?  He is stating his
>  observation, you state yours.  So your observations don't match.
>  Big deal.

For the record I'm going to state *my* observation.  There have been comments
posted here more than once to the effect that women from mainland China
only associate with American men for the sake of the green card.  This does
not match my own experience at all.  I've had the privilege of knowing
several from women from China.  None of them were either this manipulative
or incompatible with American men.

>  They don't all belong to you Americans.

What's this `you Americans' stuff?  I though you grew up in the USA?

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From: scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: martial arts
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:24:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <9210071735.AA25531@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ung-Ho Yi) writes:
>
>hello,
>i was wondering if any of you took martial arts in past or present
>and how do you feel about it?


I've trained in Muay Thai, and is currently training in American Kenpo.
And I love it.  For me, it gives confidence, drive, and keeps me in shape.
It also made me aware and appreciate those cultures (especially Thailand,
because I'm Thai) that develop these arts.  I really see nothing negative
about training in the martial arts. 

>
>ask me to spire(?) with them.  luckly, i was able to get out of most of
>them, i was afraid to spire with the bigger kids, they might
>beat the crap out of me, i got punched in the face  once during that
>time.
>
>yi

.. yes, that tends to happen every now and then, that's why I always fight
dirty  ..... :-) :-)

-ART


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From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 16:56:23 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Oct9.194623.13235@nynexst.com> Clare Chu, clare@nynexst.com writes:
>>
>>Be for real, why would someone go through all the trouble of studying in a foreign
>>country , and then completely shield theselves from the culture of it?  Sounds kind of
>>xenophobic to me.  If you don't want to date a local, ok.  But why are those who do
>>any less able to get a date with their countrymen?  Maybe the foreign students who
>>do date locals are just more sophisticated and "diversified" (oooo, that evil PC term)
>>than their comrads from their homeland :-)
>>
>
>  However as an American, your reasons for going to a foreign country
>  are usually to study the culture.  Many of these people come to America
>  because our universities are better in many fields, not available back
>  home.  So I don't think the prime motivation is to come here to
>  "study the culture."  Ask any foreign student you meet if he/she
>  came here to study American culture.  You'll find that only the ones
>  on the one-year-English-exchange program have that in mind.  Most
>  others are here to study whatever field they're majoring in.
>

But then the question still stands:  Why are those who decide to date a local
"less able" to get a date with the people from the country they are from?

And I still contend that those from country X who are studying in country Y and
who "make fun" or "look down" upon those from country X that date people from
country Y are xenophobic, if not racist.

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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:22:36 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <W85-Bw+@engin.umich.edu> kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
>With out being entirely clear on what this thread original purpose was, let me
>just say that the apparent "difference" in test scores in this nation between 
>"racial" catagories probaly implies alot more than just straight intelligence 
>differences.

So what are you trying to say?? We're all equal, but some groups simply
"magically" do poorer than others on intelligence-based tests??
And even if we assume you're right, what does that prove?? We live in a world
in which only the results count! IMO, being lazy (not doing something) is
the same as being stupid (not knowing how to do something)

NW
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