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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: re: Bass vs. Trout
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:36:37 GMT

Kevin Sieffering writes:
>I can't understand this.  We have one vein going in which trout are
>claimed to be superior to bass and another vein going regarding
>catching trout while CHUMMING WITH CORN!!!  A fish has got to be
>pretty stupid to go for that!  (I reallize that these are probably 
>hatchery fish and that a REAL trout would NEVER go for CORN ;-)  

Just to clarify my original posting, the problem that I had was not
with the bass - in fact, I spent a fair amount of time fishing for them.
(Well, I did have some problems with them - had a hard time finding
them :-)  )  The problem I had was with a bunch of obnoxious jerks 
that were ramming around at speed in bass boats.  I have no 
evidence that they did any fishing (unless they were trolling for 
something really big and really fast...).

>I would also contend that bass are just as smart.  ...  And fishing for
>bass is every bit as much of an art as trout fishing 
>in my book.  Consistently catching bass requires the same levels
>of skill, knowledge, and patience.  Using the right lure, in the
>right color, at the right time, with the right presentation, in the
>right spot is just as difficult for bass as trout.  

I have only fished for bass for about the last four or five years (as
opposed to the previous forty years for trout), but I have to take 
issue with the statement that they're just as smart as trout.  I also 
don't believe that bass fishing takes nearly as much skill.  I've had a 
bass strike at the same lure, in the same place, as many as four or 
five times before I finally caught it (no comments on my technique, 
please- it's probably the barbless hooks).  My experience with trout 
is that, if you miss them once,  that's the last you see of them.  This, 
in my opinion, makes bass fishing less challenging, but fully as 
entertaining, as trout fishing.

>And who ever said that a flyrod is somehow naturally superior to a 
>modern baitcasting outfit?  

Well, not me.  But I do have way more fun, and better results, with
a fly rod than with spincasting or baitcasting gear - both for trout 
and bass.

>Now, I'll be the first one to agree that some bass fishermen can be
>extremely annoying with their high powered boats.  But please don't
>slam the fish itself.  

>Bass men unite!  We don't have to put up with trout fisher snobbery
>anymore!  

But trout fisher snobbery is so much fun!     and look at the rises we
get!    :-)

Tim

"Sink the Bass Boats!"
Me, after a week on Lower Saranac Lake
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A)
Subject: re: Palmered hackle?
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:10:20 GMT
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In <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org> KBrooke@mitre.org writes:

> I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel 
> to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as 
> apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.
> 
>                  -Ken

  Not so Ken. When you palmer a hackle, you tie the butt in and wind it
around the body like a barber pole. Unfortunately palmered hackle has a 
tendency to unravel after a few strikes. Now I use a technique that was 
shown to me by a tier a Orvis -- on a Wooley Bugger, for instance, before
you wrap the chenille body, make a loop, place the hackle inside it, and then 
twist the loop. Then wind the loop around the body and you will have a 
much more durable fly.
 
Happy angling,
John
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: tordo@odrot.corp.sgi.com (Super-User)
Subject: Trout Fishing in Costa Rica
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:35:57 GMT

	Does any one have any info on trout fishing in Costa Rica.

	Thanks
	john tordo
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From: longlegs.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Joel Dunn)
Subject: re: Palmered hackle?
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:13:02 GMT

You attach the butt of the hackle at the rear of the fly (when you
attach the rest of the body material), and when the body is complete,
you spiral-wrap the hackle forward over the body.  

The simplest pattern that I know that employs this is the basic 
"wooly worm", where you tie a tail (optional), anchor some chenille,
anchor a hackle, wrap the chenille for the body, and then "palmer" the
hackle by wrapping the hackle forward over the body.

Have fun.

-Joel Dunn
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Trout and Corn??
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:37:21 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

I did a little fishing in Arkansas on the White River a couple of years
ago and saw many nice sized trout landed with kernels of canned corn.

Steve

--
===============================================================================
Steve Hollis--Your friendly neighborhood zoology major
srh3@ra.msstate.edu
===============================================================================
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Sage Guarantee
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:25:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep3.203007.10010@bnr.ca> dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley) writes:
>In article <Sep03.001647.47860@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wayne trzyna,
>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:
>
>>Does anybody know what the Sage policy is on replacing broken fly
>>rod tips under warranty?  Will they replace it regardless of how
>>much stupidity was involved in breaking it?
>
>Aw, c'mon, Wayne!  Tell us what you did...

Groan.  OK.  I passed too closely to some bushes in my inflatable
kayak.  The upper 3 or 4 inches broke off.  I could still fish with
it but I can't say it improved the action (or my mood, that day).
It did seem to do a better job of hurling lead, however.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:49:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug26.170759.28760@mcnc.org> kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:
>
<regarding trout fishing vs bass fishing>
>Now, I'll be the first one to agree that some bass fishermen can be
>extremely annoying with their high powered boats.

Hmm.  I got a ride last week from a TROUT/salmon fishing guide in his jetboat
with twin 150 hp engines.  (He was kind enough to offer me and my inflatable
kayak a ride down 30 miles of flood-swollen river.)

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

In article <Xjl-AAC@engin.umich.edu> Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
>
>I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
>are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
>SKI's. 

Agreed. Just when you thought waterskier-s were a problem, they are nothing
compared to the jet ski's, which can go in shallower water. Here in
Ft. Collins they are a real nuisance, and they get so close to your
fishing line!

I've thought about tying on a treble hook, and start casting when one gets
too close. Maybe if they are "snagged" they'll learn to keep their
distance :-)

At least, then, I could catch something -- they sure f**k up the fishing

Pat Fitzpatrick
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: jetskis & other lower life forms (Was Bass vs. Trout vs. People)
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:09:26 GMT

Worldclass Outfitters (PO Box 1571-MM87, Islamorada FL 33036-1571 / 800-628-
5452) -- not to be confused with the long-established Worldwide firm there 
has several anti-jetski t-shirts.  I've put the "periscope crosshairs" one 
on my Xmas list.




-- 
Bruce Pencek                     bpencek@nevada.edu
Political Science Dept           bpencek@nevada2.bitnet
University of Nevada, Las Vegas  (702) 739-3307
"Just because I work at UNLV, it doesn't mean I support basketball."
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A)
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle--modified dubbing loop
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:51:22 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

B> Please tell us more about this hackle-in-chenille technique.  It sounds
B> like a modified dubbing loop (which is a good way to _make_ hackles out

Bruce,
You hit it right on the nose. Take a saddle hackle (one without much 
webbing and with stiff barbules) and splay it out. Center it in the loop,
with the stem lined up with the strands of chenille, and while grasping
the bottom of the loop, twist it like a corkscrew. Then you can wrap it
around the shank of the hook. This technique is really necessary on a
shrimp imitation that I tie for Gulf fishing. A speck or a bluefish
can ruin a fly in a New York minute!  

Happy angling,
John
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From: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: uncoiling the coiled leader
Reply-To: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:37:32 GMT

Hey ho,

I've tied my own leader for fly casting, and it seems to fly out and unroll
OK, but as soon as the stress is off, and it is in the water, it coils up into
a big spring, pulling my  fly across the water like a little boat, making the
effective length of my leader about two feet, and otherwise bugging the
hell out of me.  What am I doing wrong? My best guess is that I'm not using
special leader material, but then again, I have not seen special leader
material
in the sizes you want around the butt (I'm using 50# test, 20# test, 12# test,
8# test, 6# test, and 3# test (6X? .006). The 3 and 6# test seem OK. All the
bigger stuff is coiling up.

Yours in despair,

John Danskin			|	CS Grad student
(609) 258-5386			|	fishing for a dissertation
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
From: macph@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Calling Brits and Europeans
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:54:32 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


In article <1992Aug21.040823.12005@cs.uow.edu.au>, u8339105@cs.uow.edu.au (Karl Anthony Docherty) writes:
> mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling) writes:
> Hi Nigel
> 
> No bass or crappies here either.NSW fisho's chase everything from Australian
> to Tailor ( Bluefish?? i think to our friends US based ) and Yellowfin Tuna.
> What do you fish for.
> 
> Karl
> happiness is a rod in your hand...
> 
> 
>>Hi to everybody
> 
>>Now that the fishing group has wider distribution are there any British
>>and European anglers there? I only ever saw a couple of posts from
>>Europeans on alt.fishing, and none from Brits. No bass or crappies this
>>side of the water so I hope to talk about fishing nearer to home.
> 
>>Nigel

>Hi Nigel

>Always interested in talking about fishing - especially trout - I mainly fish
>lakes in England & Wales and belong to a small club outside Oxford.  At the
>moment am suffering severe withdrawl symptoms - have not been out for several
>weeks

>> Gordon
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From: lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder)
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:29:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.131912.4009@bnr.ca>, Tim 
Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com> writes:
> 
> Can somebody please explain the phrase "palmer the hackle"?

In fly-tying, a"palmered" hackle is a feather which has been tied in at
the base of the hook shank, then wound forward toward the eye of the 
hook.  The winding of the hackle is done in smooth, even, open turns that 
are uniformly spaced along the entire length of the hook, rather than
just behind the eye.  The classic American fly which utilizes a palmered 
hackle is the Wooly Worm.

Bob
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?
Keywords: cheese bait hook
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:03:49 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Sussex

In article <Bt5JEC.HGz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) writes:
>Lately, I've been noticing that bluegill really love cheese.
>I like it too as a local cheese factory will sell moldy cheese for
>$0.20/lb.  It's fun to just feed it to fish, but when I put it on
>a hook to try and catch them, it usually falls off when they strike,
>or when I cast it out.
>
>Does anyone have experience using cheese as bait?  I suppose I could
>try treble hooks, but they are more expensive, and harder to remove
>esp. if you want the fish to survive.  

What strange sounding fish you have over there.
Cheese is a widely used bait here in England. Maybe your problem
is with the cheese you are using. If it is dry you will have
trouble keeping it on the hook. Buy the sort that can be needed
into a ball - that should stay on the hook ok. eg cheddar - do you
have that in the US. Also processed cheeses - the kind you spread
on bread - are quite good. In England the problem is stopping the
cheese going too hard in the cold water rather than keeping it on
the hook. But you definitely shouldn't need to use trebles.

Let me know how you get on.

Nigel th
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From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:13:59 GMT

> Well if you drop your reel into Crane Prairie in the near future
> you can just reach down and grab it. The water can't be more than 5 ft.
> deep this late in the summer during a drought year. The fish probably
> feel like their in a hot tub!

:-(

I remember last year when the fish were basically slaughtered by the
thousands in last year's low water.   The Oregon Dept. Fish and Wildlife
said they wouldn't let such a slaughter happen again, and would close
the fishery if the water got too low this year.

So far this year, almost everyone/everywhere is experiencing a worse
drought than last year, but the Crane Resort Owner and ODFW say Crane
looks in better shape this year.   Is it true, or just a PR campaign?

FYI - The North Umpqua has emergency steelhead regulations once again
because of low water and low summer-steelhead return numbers.  To make
matters worse, poachers are working steamboat creek (primary spawning
area for steelhead in the North Umpqua), taking advantage of the low
water.  A $3,000 reward is being paid to folks catching poachers.
Farther north in the Cascades, special emergency regulations are also
being considered for the North Santiam, and someone told me even the
South Santiam.   Over on the coast, many rivers are dry in the upper
ends, and the Forest Services and Logging Companies are shutting the
woods down to the public, trying to prevent man made fires.   Between
two trips to the coastal rivers, I spotted 50 to 80 steelhead stacked up
in the few deep holes there are.   I've decided to leave them alone
until the rains come.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<9cpP02of1f5R01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:02:02 GMT

In article <9cpP02of1f5R01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:

   Trout:

      * taste _much_ better

True.

      * fight a lot harder per pound

Hah.  You must have spent your life fighting big rainbows and browns.
Try cuts and brookies someday.

      * generally live in lots nicer waters

Again, true, sadly true.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Making Lures (was Palmered hackle?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:58:37 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.154725@ratchet.Prime.COM> kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki) writes:
>Somebody mentioned...
>
>"Try tying flies.  It's really a lot of fun, and not very hard.  Just takes
>a little patience to get started, plus it helps to have a friend show you
>a few simple techniques."
>
>Does making blufish plugs from pieces of old broom handels, steel wire
>and huge Jaw-Breaker hooks count as fly tying?  :-)   (Just kidding
>around)

If you tie on the steel wire palmer fashion, then, yes.  Actually I couldn't
believe some of the materials that are used for flytying.  I've got some
really thin bubble packing material that I've used for making spent wings.
The material is normally used for separating china or for packing glasses
when your moving.  I haven't tried any of these flies yet but they look
*real* nice.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:17:48 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org> KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke) writes:
|I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel 
|to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as 
|apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.

From John F. McKim's "FlyTying - Adventures in Fur, Feathers, and Fun"

"Feathers are wrapped in two ways: when the feather is wound in essentially the
same location on the shank then subsequently tied off so the barbs form a dense
ring of radiating fibers, the hackle is called a spun hack and the process is
termed spinning the hackle; when the hackle is tied at one point on the shank
and wound along it's length to be tied off at another, the hackle is called
a palmered hackle and teh technique is termed palmering."

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Crayfish Imitation
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:30:51 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

>If you could remember the name of the straw material, I would appreciate
>the info.  Could it have been raffene?

It was something like that. Spelled different though.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:20:39 GMT

> I have a query about changing lines while bobbin' in my float tube.

Thread the lower half of the rod and pull through some extra line so
you won't be fighting for line later.  Then separate the upper rod half
and thread the remainder.   I always treat the end of the line as the
life line that stitches everything together.

> ... I have an utter fear of dropping everything into the drink.

Just after pulling the reel out, I usually pull out some line.   I did
drop my reel once in Crane Prairie (Oregon), but managed to grab the
tailing line - if the tailing line is floating line, even better.  Without
the drag tightened up however, I had to hand retrieve ~100 feet of line
before surfacing the reel.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: re: Palmered hackle?
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org>, 
KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke) writes:

>I'm no expert, but I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel 
>to the shank of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as 
>apposed to winding the hackle, as in a wooley worm.
>
>                 -Ken

	The term palmering means to wind a hackle thru the body as in a
wooley bugger or wooley worm.  Generally the hackles are tied in at the end
of the body and wrapped forward to the eye.

Frank
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:26:40 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <5387@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey) writes:
 
|Here in PA.  We have the same problem with people inertubing down Spring
|and Elk Creek.  These streams are generally 2-3 feet deep and around
|20-25 feet wide in most places.  At FFParadise (Bellefonte,PA-Spring 
|Creek), the regs state no-one is allowed to wade or swim in the water,
|yet, I've seen people come on right through there in innertubes.
|
|On the Yough, River (Ohiopyle,Pa), we have the same problem with
|white water rafters.  Although they don't seem to spook the fish as
|much (bigger/faster stream/river).  But, it is a pain to reel in
|the line to let a raft go buy.  The tables turned this week though,
|some
|guy  apparently drowned there over the weekend.  They are still
|looking for his body.
 
There is quite a difference between obnoxious jetskiers/bassboat operators
then those running a river in a raft or innertube.  If it is *not* illegal
than they have as much right to the river as fishermen.  I was reading 
an article somewhere recently that talked about a particular eastcoast
river that was shared by rafters/inner tubers and fishermen.  The river
was closed to floating certain hours of the day so that early morning and late
evening fishing could be done without interuption.  
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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: pro016@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: INFO ON FLYING LURES
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:05:59 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

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A BOAT DOCK OR ANYTHING YOU NEED TO GET UNDER IT WILL SUPPOSIVELY
GLIDE AWAY FROM YOU UP UNDER THE OVERHANGING OBJECT. AND WHEN YOU RETRIEVE
IT AND STOP IT WILL FALL AWAY FROM YOU. ANY WAY THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION
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