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From: lilj@panix.com (Josh Rubin)
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:12:48 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: I-Max IMAX OmniMax Omni-Max stereo 3D

In <1992Sep30.192819.14710@javelin.sim.es.com> gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
>I have been told that one of the I-Max theaters in Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
>is a stereoscopic 3D theater.  And that there is stereoscopic 3D OmniMax theate
>in Tokyo, Japan.  Would anyone care to verify or refute either of these claims

I don't know about Tokyo, but Fujitsu and Imax co-produced "Echoes of the Sun"
which was shown at the Expo '90 Fujitsu Pavilion in Osaka.  The film used the
"Imax Solido" technology, which uses infrared-controlled LCD-shutter glasses
and a dome-shaped screen, and it was mostly computer graphics.  I think I
recently read that there are only about five 3-D Imax theaters in the world.
Other Imax 3-D films include "We Are Born Of Stars" (also computer graphic)
and "The Last Water Buffalo." 


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    31 E. 31st St., #2E, New York, New York  10016-6806  212-213-5569
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Date: 5 Oct 92 10:27:32 MST
Distribution: alt.3d,world
Organization: University of Wyoming


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Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: WORDPERFECT
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:19:40 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: dds3769@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.D. Simmons)
Subject: Looking for a rose
Originator: dds3769@ultb
Reply-To: dds3769@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:50:20 GMT



I am looking for a scene description of a rose. The format of the 
file doesn't matter if a description of the file format is included.
		-derek (dds3769@ultb.isc.rit.edu)


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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: samk@microsoft.com (Sam Kho)
Subject: Re: Wolf 3d programming aspects - Texture mapping
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:13:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


i'm interested too.  please post on the net.

thanx.

  - sam -


Newsgroups: alt.3d,rec.video
From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Organization: Department of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
	<1992Sep24.123709.26840@crd.ge.com>
	<1992Sep27.083427.4846@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
	<1992Sep27.140630.9224@grebyn.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:36:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.140630.9224@grebyn.com>
malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak) writes:

 |My understanding is that 35mm has about 1.5 to 2 times the resolution,
 |on each axis, as HDTV.  Thus the Japanese have already begun work on
 |UDTV (ultra-definition television) to match 35mm resolution.

 Both, YES. But, from what I saw, Hi-Vision movie made totally
through digital equipments is far better than 35mm. It was bright,
fresh and smooth. BTW, digital Hi-Vision requires 1GB/s. UDTV
is just a initial experimental stage. No one has seen it.

# BTW, would someone send/tell me FAQ of shorten expressions like
#`BTW' by e-mail?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Akira Mito(E-Mail:t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
  Junior@SFC(Keio Univ. Shownan Fujisawa Campus) 
  Department: Environmental Information (It's so COOL,isn't it?)
  Director of the SFC Hi-Vision Club, and member of SFC TiME, C-music.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:50:02 GMT

In article <griffita.717983376@sfu.ca> griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes:
>jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:
>
>>At the Expo '86 in Vancouver, B.C., there was at least one 3-D IMAX
>>theatre. I'm kind of fuzzy if one of the other 3-D movies was IMAX or just
>>a big screen. As this area was a temporary site for the Expo, these would
>>be gone now.
>
>It's still here... They show both 2-d and 3-d IMAX movies on it.
>-- 
>
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>____________    / /   Fidonet: David Griffiths @ 1:153/765.0 or 1:153/910.0
> DLG "Pro"  \ \/ /   Broadcast TV @ British Columbia Institute of Technology
>>The Best!<  \/\/      "Where semesters are long and courses are hard..."
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>
>

How often do they show the stereo movies?  I'll have to try to go the next
time I'm in Vancouver.

mike

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From: jew5001@zeus.tamu.edu (WILLIAMSON, JOHN EDWARD)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: POV (ray tracing) stereo-pairs
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:52:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm using POV on the PC to generate stereo-pairs.  I've gotten a
fairly mixed bag of results and would like to correspond with a more
experienced POV user who can answer some of my questions.  Since it
can take 12 hours to render a scene, trial and error is not an option.

John W
jew5001@zeus.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths)
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:49:36 GMT

jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:

>At the Expo '86 in Vancouver, B.C., there was at least one 3-D IMAX
>theatre. I'm kind of fuzzy if one of the other 3-D movies was IMAX or just
>a big screen. As this area was a temporary site for the Expo, these would
>be gone now.

It's still here... They show both 2-d and 3-d IMAX movies on it.
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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Re: How does one get into this stuff?
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:17:07 GMT

In article <PZPuRB1w165w@srvtech> dszego%srvtech@canrem.com (David Szego) writes:
>I've done professional photography before, and love it as a hobby, but I 
>have no idea how what someone needs to take 3D pictures. I'm assuming 
>from the discussions that Pentax among others have some equipment, but 
>what do I get, and where?
>
>Thanks in advance for the help, (I'm looking forward to the FAQ!)
>
>David Szego.

Probably the cheapest way is to try to find a club in your area and go to
a few meetings.  Not only will you get to probably see projected stereo, but
you'll be able to pick up a weath of advice on equipment and techniques.

If you want to start taking your own stereo pictures, there is a wide range
of options.  You can use any old camera and just shift over a bit between
taking two pictures (I took stereo this way for 10 years before getting a
real stereo camera).  You could use two SLR's wired together so they go off
at the same time.  You could pick up one of the older stereo cameras.  There
are LOTS of the 1950's vintage equipment out there.  A basic stereo camera in
decent shape costs about $120-$140.  A viewer (again vintage) runs about $60
for some of the better models.  It seems that Kodalux is back in the business
of mounting stereo ($4 extra according to our club newsletter).  You could
also go whole hog and phone up RBT in Germany.  They assemble stereo cameras
from Yashica and Richo SLR's.  They are fully syncronized and are supposed
to be quite good.  They are also quite expensive, about $3000 depending on
the model.

mike

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From: bird@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin Bird)
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Keywords: I-Max IMAX OmniMax Omni-Max stereo 3D
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:46:11 GMT

There _is_ an I-Max 3D theater in Gurnee, Illinois, U.S.A.
It is at the Six Flags over Great America theme park.
The system consists of two Imax projectors each with a polarizing lens
set perpendicular to each other.
From: dszego@srvtech (David Szego)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: How does one get into this stuff?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:15:00 EDT
Reply-To: dszego%srvtech@canrem.com (David Szego)
Organization: The Servants Of Technology Inc. (Toronto, Canada)

I've done professional photography before, and love it as a hobby, but I 
have no idea how what someone needs to take 3D pictures. I'm assuming 
from the discussions that Pentax among others have some equipment, but 
what do I get, and where?

Thanks in advance for the help, (I'm looking forward to the FAQ!)

David Szego.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths)
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:18:47 GMT

watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters) writes:

>How often do they show the stereo movies?  I'll have to try to go the next
>time I'm in Vancouver.

It's not usually that often (I suppose people don't shoot 3-d
much...), I think I've seen a few listings after Expo was done
(although I havn't really been looking all that hard).
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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:28:53 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct1.051248.10869@panix.com>, lilj@panix.com (Josh Rubin) writes:
> In <1992Sep30.192819.14710@javelin.sim.es.com> gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
>>I have been told that one of the I-Max theaters in Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
>>is a stereoscopic 3D theater.  And that there is stereoscopic 3D OmniMax theate
>>in Tokyo, Japan.  Would anyone care to verify or refute either of these claims
> 
> I don't know about Tokyo, but Fujitsu and Imax co-produced "Echoes of the Sun"
> which was shown at the Expo '90 Fujitsu Pavilion in Osaka.  The film used the
> "Imax Solido" technology, which uses infrared-controlled LCD-shutter glasses
> and a dome-shaped screen, and it was mostly computer graphics.  I think I
> recently read that there are only about five 3-D Imax theaters in the world.
> Other Imax 3-D films include "We Are Born Of Stars" (also computer graphic)
> and "The Last Water Buffalo." 
> 
> 
>   Joshua Neil Rubin  lilj@panix.com  lilj@well.sf.ca.us  CIS 70761,2552
>     31 E. 31st St., #2E, New York, New York  10016-6806  212-213-5569
> -- 
>   Joshua Neil Rubin   lilj@panix.com  lilj@well.sf.ca.us  CIS 70761,2552 
> 31 East 31st Street, Apt. 2E, New York, New York  10016-6806 (212) 213-5569 

I read about a 3-d movie about flying over Chicago and another about
going inside the body (computer graphics and such)

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Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: cwm@Turing.ORG (Chris W. Morris)
Subject: Re: 3d video?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
 
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:54:44 GMT

Thanks for your interest,
Chris W. Morris
cwm@Turing.org
 

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak)
Subject: Re: 3d video?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.750.799@channel1> "rafael ramirez" <rafael.ramirez@channel1.com> writes:
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) wrote:
>
>>This is purely hypothetical, but is a 3-D video camcorder possilbe with
>>exitsting technology??
>
>I know of a comercial "attempt":  the (infamous) Toshiba 3D camcoder,
>which from what I know (not certain) takes alternating views over its
>two lenses on a VHS-C, and then plays them back as alternating fields on
>the TV, sincronizing the output with the frequency at which a pair of
>glasses fitted with LCD shutter become transparent/opaque, alternating
>the left and the right eye.
>
>I haven't seem the Toshiba, but my complains probably would be:  flicker
>and resolution (half of a VHS image, 1 field, displays some 320x240
>effective pixels).

From what I remember, the Toshiba 3D camcorder required one of Toshiba's
IDTV sets.  That is, the resolution would be 320x240 interpolated to
320x480, with a frame rate of 60 Hz.  But I don't think the camcorder
ever came out, at least not in the US.

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: 3d video?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:54 GMT
Distribution: alt

In article <1992Oct1.750.799@channel1>, "rafael ramirez" <rafael.ramirez@channel1.com> writes:
|> I'm about to try this:  ordered a (Pentax) beam-splitter, which takes
|> two views at about the separation of the human eyes (65 mm) and "brings
|> both views together" to be "fed" though the usual 35 mm camare lense
|> (and that of my Hi-8 camcoder).  The recorded result, two side by side
|> views, each taking 1/2 of the screen, sort-of "splitting" the screen
|> vertically in two.

I would think you could use the recent Nu3dVu viewer ($150) to merge
the two views on any old TV screen.  You might have to sit relatively
close to the screen, but it's adjustable, so you might be able to
get a fair distance away.  And it's got a headband so you can wear it.
I've got one, and it works well for viewing printed stereo pairs or
photos from just about any reasonable distance.  You can order it
directly from the company only -- I'll find the address for anyone
who's interested.

Hey, now that I think about it, I think they've just come out with a
beam splitter specifically for camcorders!  I'll dig up their flyer
on that too if you want.

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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: 3d video?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:19:44 GMT


I've been reading alot on this, the concept behing the Toshiba camcorder.
I always thought the best results in 3-D photography were achieved with a two-
lens system, altough the beam-spilting system you describe seems workable.

When I get my own camcorder I might try it one day  :-)

Simon
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: jem21176@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon E. Meyer)
Subject: Re: I-Max OmniMax 3D
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:52:23 GMT
Keywords: I-Max IMAX OmniMax Omni-Max stereo 3D

gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:

>I-Max theaters have GIANT flat screens.
>OmniMax theaters have hemispherical screens with audience seats in tiers, like
>stadium bleachers.

>I have been told that one of the I-Max theaters in Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
>is a stereoscopic 3D theater.  And that there is stereoscopic 3D OmniMax theater
>in Tokyo, Japan.  Would anyone care to verify or refute either of these claims?
>-- 
>				Bruce Gold
>				   Utah

There is also an I-Max Theater at Six Flags Great America, in Gurnee, IL.
In the NW suburbs of Chicago.  Two summers ago they had a 3D movie with
polarized glasses but last summer didn't use the 3D capability.  Maybe
a lack of good 3D movies for their projector?  The picture looked
really clear and the 3D was realistic, but the pictorium there always
used to make your stomach drop out because the screen was so big to
begin with.  Does this have to do with resolution and field of view?
Could you make a theater that has such good resolution and field of 
view that your brain interprets the flat picture into 3D somewhat?

Jon Meyer
j-meyer10@uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: fenton@nemo (James M. Fenton)
Subject: Stereo Slide Projector
Summary: looking for info/manual to make slide projector usable
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:48:28 GMT
Keywords: stereo, slides, slide projector

Does anyone have any information that might get me to the point of being
able to actually use a stereo slide projector.  Someone gave me an old
'Stereo Vivid Deluxe' made by the Three Dimension Company which was located
in Chicago.  I have no other information at this point.  The optics are 
dirty, the slide holder is missing, and I'm not even sure how the stereo
effect is achieved.  I assume that it is based on crossed polarizers, but
I'm not sure.  I would love to be able to use the machine to give a depart-
mental seminar so that I can display stereo views of molecules at some point.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  --jim

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Xref: sparky alt.3d:1183 rec.video:11788
From: mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Newsgroups: alt.3d,rec.video
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Keywords: 3D video HDTV high definition television standard holograph
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:37:21 GMT
Reply-To: mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Followup-To: alt.3d
Organization: Chorus systemes, Saint Quentin en Yvelines, France

In article <1992Sep25.003831.17660@javelin.sim.es.com>, gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
%% Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard

%% |> 50 frames per second?  How about 60?  Easier on the eyes.
%%    For smooth motion perception, human vision gets along nicely with 24 frames
%%    per second.  I offer as evidence, the last 35mm motion picture you saw at a
%%    movie theater.  For flicker-free viewing, human vision requires AT LEAST 45
%%    flashes per second.  That is one reason NTSC displays only 30 frames/second
%%    by painting 60 interlaced fields/second.  I hereby change my proposal that
%%    the frame rate for NTSC2 be dropped to 25 noninterlaced frames/second and
%%    that the receiver's display be required to have a full-frame store and that
%%    it display each frame at least twice and preferrable thrice.  How do people
%%    like the idea of cutting the bandwidth in half at the cost of 3Megabytes of
%%    memory?

The bandwidth won't be cut by more than 1/6, and only because you drop
from 30 to 25 fields per second. Displaying n lines in one go (non-
interlaced) or displaying them in two (interlaced) doesn't change the
bandwidth.

What it could change is the vertical color resolution in both
PAL and SECAM color systems, since PAL corrects errors on line
n by the roughly inverse error on line n+2 (with non-interlaced
transmission it would be by line n+1), and SECAM puts only one
color component per line, alternatively R and B, taking the other
from the previous (ie. n-2) line; that would become line n-1 in
non-interlaced mode.

BTW, the half-cut of bandwidth is when comparing 60Hz interlaced
vs. 60Hz non-interlaced, because what is called 60Hz-interlaced
is really just 30Hz from the transmission point of view.

-- 
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Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
From: ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu (paco ojeda)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: 3D Lens by Vivitar Inquiry
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:29:10 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
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Is anyone out there in 3D Netland familiar with a 35mm. lens made by
Vivitar that supposedly makes 3D images?

Paco

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From: edf444esft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: IM NEW HERE::::::SMILE::::
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:11:25 GMT

In article <faith.0975@amiganet.chi.il.us>, faith@amiganet.chi.il.us (Fred Drummand) writes:
> 
> Hey Im New here, but not new to the amiga, but slightly new to Imagine and I Am
> Lookking for more poeple to talk with about imagine problems, tips and tricks
> 
> 
> Anyone Out there?>
> 
> 
> Later
> 
> Fred Drummand
> Collumbia College
> Graphic Arts Major
From: mdr@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (Doc Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: test
Keywords: test
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:57:35 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

arnold@cowan.edu.au (A.DELAVIGNE) writes:

>Hi. Did this work?????

Mebbe the name of this group should be changed so that it doesn't
appear as the first group when newbies try news for the first time.
Then twats like the above (and plenty others) will post their tests
in alt.activism instead.
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