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From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: ARGENTINA - FINAL STANDINGS
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:12:21 GMT

Boca Jr.            1    San martin (Tuc.)        1
Argentinos Jr.      0    River Plate              1 (susp. 45')
Deportivo Espa#ol   2    Belgrano (Cba.)          1
San Lorenzo         4    Newell's Old Boys        0
Estudiantes         1    Huracan                  0
Rosario Central     1    Ferrocarril Oeste        1

Boca is the winner of the opening phase of the championship.
The closing phase begins on 21 Feb 93.

Final Positions				Points
===============================================
Boca                                    27
River                                   26
San Lorenzo                             23
Ferro, Huracan                          22
Velez                                   21
Estudiantes, Belgrano, Lanus, Talleres  20
Dep Espa#ol,                            19
San Martin, Mandiyu, Rosario            18
Independiente                           17
Racing, Gimansia                        15
Platense                                15
Argentinos                              13
Newell's                                10


Descent averages:
=================
Platense, Rosario                       0.957
San Martin (Tuc)                        0.947
Mandiyu, Gimansia                       0.936
Estudiantes                             0.926
Talleres                                0.905
Argentinos                              0.893

Top scorers:
=============
Acosta A (San Lorenzo)                  13
Cruz J. (Huracan)                       11
Artime (Belgrano)                       10
Di Carlo (Lanus)                         9
Medina Bello (River)                     9
Parodi W. (Espa#ol)                      8
Caba#as R. (Boca)                        7
Oste (San Lorenzo)                       7
Rodriguez J L (Rosario)                  7

Have a Merry Cristmas and Happy New Year!
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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Date: 3 Jan 1993 15:36:38 -0600
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Andy,

Happy New Year to you too.

Good ideas about writing to the media that *are* covering soccer and the ones
who aren't. I have concentrated on the latter, writing my local paper
(Atlanta Constitution) about how they are missing the boat with all the
Americans playing professionally abroad. I wrote them a short punchy
letter -- sent by fax for "effect" - with a short couple of sentances
on Wynalda, Ramos, Harkes, Wegerle, Dooley, Keller, etc. and pointed out
how these would make just as good "up close and personal" features
as the junk that the TV networks do during the Olympics. I also sent the
same document to Chris Berman of ESPN, but judging from the results,
there needs to be more than just a stray few of us doing such things.

I did call SportSouth (my local PRIME affiliate) to praise them for not
interrupting either of the NCAA semi-finals with commercials during either
of the 2 halves or Extra Time in the Davidson-San Diego match. As some of
you noticed, all commercials were before the match, at half time, after full
time and between the 2 15 minute extra time periods. I pointed out that
this was perhaps the very first time on US commercial TV, that soccer matches
had not been interrupted during play for commercials. I told them that
the sponsors should be congratulated on behalf of soccer fans everywhere for
agreeing to such a "heretical" (for US sports on commercial TV, that is)
policy. Since each of the PRIME affiliates inserted  a bunch of local
spots, I doubt if there is a "master" list anywhere, but I asked the
SS director to pass on my feelings to any of the soccer sponsors he dealt
with.

We should use this forum to exchange other innovative ideas.

BTW, Marcus Lindroos has asked me to edit his "Swinglish" (Swedish-English)
in the 3 articles he uploaded a month or so ago so we can try to get this
published in Soccer America. As those of you who saw it realize, it didn't
need much work. I have made my edits and sent it back to him but
he is still on his holiday break in Finland. If we are fortunate enough
to get it published, it might serve as a catalyst for the attention that
US soccer needs to get in this big pre-WC year.

BTW, Andy, if you will be going to the US Cup matches in Foxboro and/or
New Haven, send me some Email, as I will likely be in New England at that
time.

Best, Chris

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From: tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala)
Subject: Re: Off Topic [Stop postings tests!]
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:53:40 GMT

In article <9212251606.AA15333@teg.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
>I'm just checking that the signature change looks fine.
>I'e. try DUMII!
>
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Subject: Villl-------A
From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:24:30 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Come on ye Villians!!!!!
From: grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Crystal Palace Vs Leeds
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:31:18
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Well, maybe Mischa Bronstring is right after all ... 

This was the worst game I've seen for years, and a REALLY bad advert
for English football .... I mean, a 9 man Palace defence from the
whistle with one attacker ..... Palace running the ball out of
defence, ha! No way, the good ol' English hoof-it-up-the-field tactic.

And the goal from a free kick where the guy fell over his own feet.

OK, Leeds had little idea how to break down this defence ... I think
many a good team would have had difficulty. 

I saw more football in 5 mins of the Newcastle-Millwall game .... 
I saw more football in 5 mins of the PSV-Vittesse game ..........
I saw more football on the park on sunday .......................

Turgid !

ps. And don't tell me the Man Utd.-Chelsea game was any better, I
listened to it on the radio and the commentator threatend to go to the
shops half way thru cos it was so defensive and boring.

pps. Still , at least Liverpool got stuffed.

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From: bengt@fires1.uucp (Bengt A. Palsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer on satellite
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:42:45 GMT
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In article <1gt7ufINNeg0@fmsrl5.srl.ford.com> I (Bengt A. Palsson) write:
>A live broadcast of the Italian league can be seen Sunday mornings at
>8:30 a.m. (Eastern time) on satellite G2 on varying transponders. 
>This is a live feed with natural sound (no commentary) and is 
>definitely worth checking out if you are in to soccer and happen to have 
>access to a dish (I assume all the sports bars are closded on Sunday mornings).
>
>Has anyone caught any unscambled live feeds from the English league 
>(usually on Saturdays) ?

Well, I had to go ahead and post and make a liar out of myself. Sunday morning
there was no live game from Italy on G2, but instead the Malta-Italy game
was live on G6 on Saturday. After tuning around for a bit I found a live
broadcast of the Venice-Lecce (?) game on RAI's transponder on C4 (one of the
new satellites) at 8:30 a.m. (eastern time) on Sunday. This game was 
apparently broadcast in cooperation with some New York Soccer federation via 
a New York channel. Commentary was in Italian with no commercials (yes !!).

Sorry if my previous post caused any inconvenience.


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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: WC 94 African results and tables
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.124502@iti.gov.sg> harin@iti.gov.sg writes:
>
>|> 20 Dec   Guinea      -   Kenya 
>
>This group still continues to baffle me. Is it Guinea that has pulled out or
>is it Mali? I have it from reliable sources (BBC World Service) that Guinea
>didn't show up for its first game aginst Mali and Mali were awarded a 3-0 win.
>Currently, it looks like everyone has pulled out except for Kenya, thus
>leaving Kenya to proceed to the next round. Anyone with reliable info
>on what's going on in this group?
>
"World Soccer" has it the other way round:- ie that Mali forfeited the
game. Also, they now state that Mali has withdrawn from the
competition turning the "forfeited" game into a "void forfeited game"!
According to my local paper, Guinea vs Kenya was played on Sunday,
resulting in a 4-0 win for Guinea. Given that Gambia also withdrew
from this group, Guinea and Kenya are effectively playing a two-leg
game to decide the qualifier for the next round.

On the other hand, there are various other mistakes in the "World
Soccer" listing of results, so confirmation of their view of the
situation would be welcome.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer on satellite
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:26:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Yesterday afternoon, SBS6 had the Brasilian championship match, 
Sao Paulo - Palmeiras. I caught only the 2nd half and saw Palmeiras
score late into the half. However, Sao Paulo won the match and over
200,000 fans went crazy as the all the players mobbed Tele Santana
at the end of the game.

I think the stadium was Maracana, but not sure because it looked rather
clean and new.

-Dave
From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: This used to be their playground...
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:24:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec22.165918.29250@u.washington.edu> rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell ) writes:
>Hmm.  Could have been I don't remember.  No doubt if she's reading all
>this wistfull, longing chatting about her she's getting a real hoot out of
>it.  8-)  Soneone else I wish could again get back to us is Christian
>Schuh.  Anyone heard from him since his move to the disconnected
>backwaters of some Florida swamp?

He posted something at the end of last year, but I think that he was only
visiting some friend with net access.

[Nostalgia is fun!  :-) ]

I know this one is impossible, but I wish that Brian Doggett were still
posting Arsenal news.  They are my favourite English team, and it would be fun
to read his match reports and everything again.  [I still have the report from
the Championship win in 1991 saved. :_-) nostalgic tear smiley]

What about Hans Huttel?  He started this newsgroup, is he still around at all?

Alex Chacon also disappeared [or maybe he just graduated...].  He was also in
Rochester, but at Rochester Institute of Technology, so we weren't in the
same University.

How about, just for the nostalgic feeling, we start another campaign to
rename rec.sport.soccer to rec.sport.football, and post into rec.sport.football
again?  [Lots of :-).]

Oh well...

To everyone on rec.sport.soccer, Joyeux Noel [ou Hanukkah] et Bonne Annee!

>-russ

John

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From: tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Stefano Tine')
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: San Marco
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:17:00 EST
Organization: Dept.of Physics,Ohio State

In article <BzpMEJ.6Eq@sci.kun.nl>, bartjan@sci.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:
> I just read that Marco is not able to play for 3 months from now!
> Check your local newspaper for the reasons.
> 
> Bart-Jan.

Yeah, that is true.
It is something that makes me hope for tonight's match:
 
    SAMPDORIA - MILAN  (Genova, 20:30 local time)

even if his substitute, Papin, is scary too.
However, it must be said that Van Basten did never make strong shows
against Sampdoria: he just scored one goal against the genovese team
in all this years he is in Italy. That is because Vierchwood was always
able to stop him.

Let's see what happens (I will see this match live on TV!)

bye, Stefano
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer on Cable in US ?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:31:52 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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>I believe that only the Sports Channel in LA is going out of business.  That
>has been in the news for months.  We would of heard a ton more in the news if
>the parent channel Sports Channel America was going out of business.

Thanks for the clarification, Andy. I was getting a bit nervous for a few
minutes.

Happy New Year.

Best, Chris

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From: martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen)
Subject: Re: WC 94 African results and tables
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:32:51 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <1992Dec22.124502@iti.gov.sg> harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh) writes:

   Africa Group C
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
		   P W D L  F  A Pts
   |> Zimbabwe	2 2 0 0  3  1  4     
   |> Egypt	3 2 0 1  6  3  4     
   |> Angola	1 0 0 1  0  1  0
   |> Togo	2 0 0 2  1  5  0

   The table is correct, but Egypt still tops the group with a better goal
   difference.

Zimbabwe has 4 point from two games, Egypt 4 points from three games - so 
Zimbabwe's record is better - at least that's the way we do it in Germany.

Happy Xmas, Martin.
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From: roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Juventus vs Liverpool
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:04:44 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC

In article <1992Dec21.122755.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>In article <57418@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca) writes:

>> 1985    EC1 (final)      Juventus-Liverpool  ~39-0
>>         (by number of killed fans; on the field the match actually ended 1-0)

>Is this some form of moronic humour?

No, it isn't. I'm not used to make humour about a tragic event. In
my opinion, the killing of so many Juventus fans was the reason
because Juventus won the match that followed the tragedy. Therefore,
in remembering that match, the number of killed fans is the only
thing that matters.

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From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rule suggestion: free kick delayed until the ball is lost
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:28:11 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

Mike Schmitt wrote:

|>  I read somewhere (I forget who it was - have to look it up) about how to
|>  call 'advantage':
|>
|>  "Allow advantage if you think a goal is going to be scored.  Therefore,
|>   you should allow advantage more often in the attacking third of the
|>   field, less often in the middle third, and rarely in the defending third.
|>   Avoid giving advantage in the opening moments of the game - to establish
|>   your control of the game.  Always allow advantage if you think a goal is
|>   going to be scored.  Never allow advantage for serious foul play or a 
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>   serious injury."
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I remember watching in a World Cup game (either '90 or '86) a player getting
injured on a violent foul.  The ref allowed the game to continue and once
the play was over he showed the red card to the offending player.  Of course
there was lots of arguments but on my opinion it was one of the best 
judgements a ref could have made on the game.  The ref never lost control
of the game, and as a matter of fact it even showed the players that he
would not tolerate violence neither stop the game.

|>
|>
|>
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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Message from the Tank
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:29:05 GMT

	Well since I will be away for a couple of days over Christmas my
regular posting of Australian results may be delayed or combined with that of
the next round. I hope any readers I have for this information can live
without it for a couple of days :-).

		Merry Christmas everybody and have a happy New Year !

			Thomas the Tank Engine
			aka Algor

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From: cobra@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roland Dudley)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:36:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Come back Morna!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer


>In rec.sport.soccer, jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez) writes:

>> In <BzMLrG.49n@hsi.com> mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft) writes:
>> >The greatest contribution I remember Morna making was her trip report
>> >from WC 1990.  Such a great description of the cultural combinations
>> >of the Scots, Swedes, Italians, etc.  Some of the remarks she made
>> >have stayed with me.  Such as when she was at a Scotland-Brasil match
>> >(I think) and the gentleman next to her said, "Scozia?" when the
>> >Brasilian team entered the pitch.

Morna is a regular contributor to soc.culture.celtic, but, sad to say, I
haven't seen any of her entertaining fitba' postings there.  I know she had
a strong aversion to the word soccer being part of this newsgroup's name.
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