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From: monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: MLM name.
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:46:53 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento


Well the MLM that I'm involved with for a way to make some extra money...
.. to help keep the paycheck from running out before the end of the month, 
and to help me from being Just Over Broke... is First Fitness International.
  
The plan has been good to all that I have talked to and the products have
also helped all.  The only reason I got involved was because the products
were easy to use, (before I had to make similar combinations myself), and 
they worked better than anything I had found in 15 years.  Because everyone
was asking me and my wife what we were doing (we were healthier, less sick,
and looked better), did we decide to share this with others.  I hate high
pressure sales, I don't like to sell, I like working with people, and I WILL
not invite others to any meetings without telling them what will take place
and what they are being invited to.

Some users have asked me to post a message about the company but I haven't 
because I am not sure what we can do or not do here.  So if anyone want's
information I will have to mail it via USMail, I don't want to do it here.

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From: Marker_Man
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Yet more Network Marketing queries
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: Marker_Man
Organization: A Prevalent MLM


   Yah - I can give you some information, but I must warn you that I'm biased.
Since becoming involved with Amway, I've become thoroughly convinced that the
integrity of the company and its distributors (not "agents"), the
quality of the
products, and the viability of the marketing plan are far superior than any-
thing I was ever exposed to before.  My wife and I are doing this
together, and	
are already seeing tremendous growth.

   IMHO (which is biased, as I've already stated), anybody that sees this and
DOESN'T get in it only has two brain cells, and one of those is waving goodbye
to the other. 

   Sorry, Bernie - I can't send or receive email.  News postings are all
I can do.
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From: nat@sequent.com (Natalie L. Lahti)
Subject: Anyone heard any of Adnet?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:39:31 GMT


Has anyone heard of Adnet? I've been approached by several people
to join this MLM- they supposedly advertise in nationwide
publications about MLM opportunities and if you are a subscriber
you are provided with leads via these advertisements (for a
monthly fee, of course)

Thanks.
From: Raj Chakraborty
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: LOOKING FOR GOOD MLMs (?)
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:00:15 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology



********************************************************************



I just found this newsgroup, and am amazed to see the amount of
negativity flying around.  Keep in mind that we're all trying to 
get to our dreams...live life on our own terms.  It's rough enough
out there without complications from within the MLM community.

Anyway, enough of that.  I have been involved with MLMs for some 
time now, Amway, NSA, Melaleuca...to name a few, and I KNOW
I have finally found the right one for myself and everyone else.

However, I believe in keeping an open mind, so here is the deal.
Call me with your name and address, and I will mail you
information about this MLM.  Compare it with the one you are
currently involved with, and see which one is truly better...
That means ignore all the brainwashing from your upline, and
find tangible facts about why your MLM is better.  Show me 
these details, and I'LL JOIN YOUR ORGANIZATION, and be very
successful.  Otherwise, you join mine, and we'll tear up this
business. Fair Enough?.....Good.

Here are some brief details...

- The membership is extremely valuable...
     no overpriced soap or flimsy water and air filters
     75% of members joined solely for the membership,
          not to make money

- Exclusively LOW prices on over 600,000 products and services
     save big money
     DOUBLE money back GUARANTEE of LOWEST prices
          no ifs, ands, or buts
	
- The structure is designed for EVERYONE to succeed...
     you start with only two in your front line
     designed for average person...everyone can get two!

- Drop out rate is 3%...It works
     basically everyone who gets in, stays in

- Over 95% of the profits are paid out to the distributors
     company officers are unpaid positions

- No monthly quotas, one time effort can build residual income

- Make short term bonuses AND long term residuals
     you don't have to wait 2-5 years to see significant money
     start earning big bonuses your first month

- Young MLM backed by stable giant Parent company.
     Parent company has been in business for over 28 years...
          and represents over 4 million people
     MLM methods used for the past two years
          real ground level opportunity
          young MLM ready to EXPLODE...

- President of company is a genius
     One of the 3 highest IQs in the world...Guiness Book
     Top notch management team

- Concept will revolutionize the Marketing industry
     MLM and Retail business will be changed forever


CALL OR WRITE ME TODAY:

At worst, you will have an open-minded contact for your MLM...
...at best, you will join this network and be on your way toward
fulfilling your dreams...

Raj Chakraborty             Phone: (508) 879-4026
1622 Worcester Rd
Framingham, MA 01701


I'm just tellin', not sellin'...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:55:23 EDT
From: Gerald Broughton, Computer Aid Inc. (CAI) <GRB100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Selective Disclosure (was Re: LOOKING FOR GOOD MLMs (?) )

In article <1957@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
says:
>
>I've been largely a lurker in the MLM debates.  I watch them with keen
>interest because I'm interested in starting my own business.  However,
>you might call me an "MLM skeptic".  I don't dismiss them out of hand
>as some folks do, but I'm not completely sold on the idea either.
>

It is very good to have some skeptism when first shown a plan that
can help to achieve your dreams.  The time scale for success in a MLM
such as Amway can be very short compared to the corporate world. It
is a sobering experience to discover that such a business opportunity
can provide more success than a lifetime of work at a job.  The only
requirement is a dream and a consistant commitment to make it happen.
>
>Like I said, Jon, I'm a skeptic, not a naysayer.  I'm not flaming MLM's
>here... just one approach to them.  But tell me: how much lattitude does
>Amway give its distributors in their sales approach?  F'rinstance, if I
>were to start an organization and were to start my sales pitch with, "HI,
>would you like to join Amway?", would Amway let me do this?  [I know you
>think it's not the most *effective* way to show the plan, but would Amway
>let me do it this way if I wanted?]

When you become happily involved with Amway, you become an owner of your
own merchandising/distribution business.  Since it is your business, you
have full control over how you share this exciting opportunity to others.
If you wish to tell people that it is Amway without providing any
additional information, it is your choice. If you are excited and
have a real belief, it will show through and some people will be
interested. However, wouldn't it be easier to be a success in your
own business if you looked to others who are where you want to be
and patterning them. They have the experience to know what works and
what does not. It may save some time and make you a success sooner.

>Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com)
>Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
>

Gerald Broughton
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From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Subject: Re: Selective Disclosure
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:00:59 GMT

Eli Mantel (Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu) wrote:
: This is a polite way to slam any negative feelings about MLM.  All negative
: associations are "emotional".  Couldn't possibly be that these negative
: associations have any valid basis in fact, could it?

Certainly it's possible.  However, a large majority of people are not
really familiar with MLM, and have only 4th-hand stories from their
uncle's barber's sister's Aunt Minerva.  These people do NOT have a valid 
basis of fact to work from.  They DO often have emotional associations to 
the name "Amway", which is why Jon is saying it's not really fair to them
to blurt the word "Amway" and let them decide from that.  He's saying
"Explain the concept to them.  Give them some facts to work with.  Let them
decide for themselves if the concept makes sense to them.  Once they've
done that, you can then introduce the 'A-word' and let THEM decide whether
their previous emotional association was accurate."

That said, I don't particularly care for the "selective disclosure" approach.
I think it's a fairly reasonable way for someone to try to work within
a very challenging situation, but I don't want to have to do it.  I think
too many people will make the (not *necessarily* correct) chain of logic
that you did -- "this guy is not being honest, therefore he and his company
are not honest" -- and I prefer not to be in that situation.  I can very
comfortably share the name of our MLM right off the bat, ease any fears
that I'm actually an Amway drone in disguise, and then we can look at the
business proposition without any lurking doubts in my prospect's mind.

One of the things I like about our company, Espial, is that there are really
NO hidden "gotchas".  The more people learn about it, and the better they
understand how the whole thing fits together, the better they like it.
So why should I start out by hiding anything?

Gary
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR GOOD MLMs (?)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:05:59 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Laura Johnson (lpj@col.hp.com) wrote:

> What possible reason could this person have for omitting the name of
> his MLM?

Possibly to avoid the appearance of using Netnews for commercial purposes.

Nonetheless, I suggest totally avoiding any MLM that is ashamed of its name.
If the distributor/associate/jobber/whatever won't tell you the name (and
the name of the parent corp, if any), tell 'em to take a hike.  If the rep
is having trouble getting your interest, because of the name, YOU can expect
to have the same embarassing trouble enrolling anyone else.

Those MLMs that now feel like they must hide their names are the major
contributors to the widespread, if incorrect, notion that there is something
suspect and possibly illegal about MLMs.  "Stealth" MLMs need to either
clean up their acts or fold their tents.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: chamre@nyx.cs.du.edu (craig hamre)
Subject: MLM vs Open Marketing
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:58:11 GMT


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Sponsor Only 2, Consumer Service, Plan WilChange MLM as You Know It!
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Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: MATOL - Did I miss a thread?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:07:47 GMT

Did I miss a thread?  The name seems familiar, but I am unsure...
If it was discussed, it'll turn up on the FAQ...(eh Jon)...

Anybody heard of MATOL?  Someone who knew I deal Amway products and
BARLEYGREEN approached me about this MLM. Their main product is
a combination of herbs which is supposed to make you feel better -
a tonic, basically.

One of the photocopied pieces of literature included in the promo
I saw, _Wellness Lifestyle_, January 1990, page 21, says, in an
article by Dr. Norman McVea, says :

"One of the many reasons for a lack of oxygen is our polluted 
atmosphere. 200 years ago, the air was composed of 38% oxygen and
1 % carbon dioxide. Today, it is 19% oxygen and 25% carbon dioxide."

Alarms went off...This cannot be true. Any atmospheric scientists out
there care to comment? Admittedly, this is a photocopy. Upon reexamining,
I grant the possibility that the decimal point got washed out, meaning
he is saying 2.5 % not 25%. Still, this figure of 38% oxygen 200 years
ago is definitely not true. The world would have burned up...

Anyway, this article, "Oxidation and Optimum Health" really has nothing
to do with the product. They are just using it as some sort of backup
reference for the statement, handwritten on it, that "Dr. Karl Jurak
invented Matol as an "oxygenizer" and "energiser." "

Anyway, if I did miss a thread on this, please advise. If not, if 
anyone who has heard of this mlm, please post. When I find out more
about it, I'll followup...

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From: rmaratas@novell.com (Robert Maratas)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Spiritual Guides and more
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:51:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

I agree, but the funny thing is that the book-stores have placed his
books in the NEW AGE section.  I personally do not think that is 
writings point to any religious nor new age(y).  I like to believe
that his works are more scientific if anything.

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Menzel and UFOs
Keywords: ufo
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:19:40 GMT

In article <Bw4y81.FvH@csn.org>, jrblack@teal.csn.org (Roger Black) writes in part:
|> Stanton Friedman 
<a totally unreliable source>
|> may have found the answer to that question after
|> Menzel's death, when he obtained access to Menzel's personal papers and
|> discovered that Menzel led a double life:  Academic scientist by day,
|> intelligence agent by night.  Over the years he apparently worked for
|> both the CIA and the NSA, as well as a number of military agencies and
|> industrial concerns, and he held a Top Secret Ultra clearance.  
Reference to support this claim.  This is conceivable, but if Friedman
is the only source, I'd want to check this VERY carefully.

|> Given
|> the history of the intelligence community's systematic subversion of
|> UFO organizations and their repeated efforts to spread confusion and
|> disinformation on the subject, Menzel's ties to that community are more
|> than a little suspicious.
What history?  What are you talking about here?  What are your sources
for this amazing claim?

|> In any case, for the most part his activities in these areas were kept
|> secret from the public, his academic and scientific colleagues, his
|> closest friends, and even his family.  But they do seem to have been
|> known to the author(s) of the so-called "MJ-12" UFO documents, who put
|> Menzel's name on an otherwise plausible list of government officials in
|> the alleged UFO control group.  This is, in fact, one of the strongest
|> arguments that the MJ-12 documents, while almost certainly bogus,
|> originated from somewhere within the bowels of the U.S. intelligence
|> community instead of some lone hoaxer's basement.
Hmm.  The UFO community is familiar with Friedman's theory and forged
documents appear to support this theory.  Hence the documents are
forged by U.S. Intelligence.  Brilliant!

Puh-leese.  This is a load of nonsense.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Area 51 Is it real ? YES
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.212123.1@novax.llnl.gov>, urbina@novax.llnl.gov writes in
part:
|> 
|> Area 51 is a classified limited area inside the Nevada test site that
|> borders on the southwest side of Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.
|> 
|> There are classified sites within Area 51 that perform different missions.
|> One that has been in the press lately is the secret flight test facility
|> near Groom Lake inside of Area 51. That is where the U.S. Airforce test
|> flights some of it's Black Programs aircraft.
And it would plausible for some people from NASA to be present some of 
the time....

|> The other sites in area 51 are Classified at the highest level. No one
|> knows what goes on. 
But could, presumeably, involve dangerous (as well as secret) nuclear 
weapons, beam weapons, anti-missle systems, and so on, which are really 
GOOD reasons to keep curious UFO enthusiasts away from the experiments.

|> There is an electrophysicist who claims he worked
|> there and reverse engeineered a supposed UFO. Unfortunately, he has
|> no proof to back up his claims.
|>
|> I hope this clears up some of the Area 51 controversy.
Thanks.  I think this last part is a very clear summary of the situation.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM (James Mangin)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Halloween?  - Urban Legends
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:05:35 GMT
Reply-To: james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: cadillac


I hate to spoil your story, but the story you've described is a very
common "Urban Legend".  I heard it happened up in the mountains near my home here
in San Jose, California while I was in high school.  8^]  It's amazing how wide
spread Urban Legends can be!  

Cheers,

James

In article 9325@meltdown.chi.il.us, kathyo@meltdown.chi.il.us (Jacky Rainer) writes:

2.: In my area I have heard of one story, true or not, that has to do with
>Holloween.  The story is that back in the 1930 a car broke down on Archer ave.,
>Rt. 171 in Willow Spring (this is in northern Il.) in an area that is heavely
>forested.  The young driver and his girlfriend sat pationtly in the car hoping
>for help from a passing car until it become dark.  Since no help had appeared
>the young man took it upon himself to set off on foot to fined some.  He told
>his girlfriend that he would be back as soon as he could find help and for her
>to remain with the car.  The girlfriend became a little frightened after he
>left and locked the car.  She then curled up under a blanket and feel asleep.
>    After a few hours she woke to the sound of scrapeing on the roof of the
>car.  Assuming it was a tree branch, and since it was still dark she went back
>to sleep.  She was awoken a second time at dawn by a rapping on the car window.
> Two police officers motioned for her to exit the car, which she did.
>No sooner had she doen so the one of the officers told her to not turn around.
>Well like most people she did.  Only to find that the scrapeing that she
>thought was a tree was the tips of the shoes on her boyfriends feet, who had
>been hug just over the car.
>    Well the way the ledgen go, is that if you drive down 171 on holloween at
>midnight ( the time he supposible died ) that you will see the ghostly image of
>a car parked on the side of the road and over it a body of a man hanging from a
>tree.

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Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation  |I can't count the falling stars
Mountain View, California              |While the Southern Cross & the satellites
                                       |they remind me of where we are" - Jimmy Buffett
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Info on Kirlian equipment needed.
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:44:50 GMT
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:

>From what I've read, the Kirlian effects are produced by the photographic
>chemicals on the film.  

Well, you could say that of any image produced on film ;-)

>Most of the interesting differences are produced by the moisture of 
>the object being photographed.  "Living" leaves have auras, "dead" 
>ones don't, as live leaves have water in them, dead ones are dry.   
>People show different patterns depending on their emotional state, 
>as their skin has different amounts of sweat on it.

Is this a guess, or is it based on fact?  The kirlian method puts a very
low current high voltage across the film. The interaction of the item in
contact with the film produces the effect.  The moisture is a
significant factor.  It affects the conductivity of the object - more
water, higher conductivity.  So more water, more "aura".  The
relationship with emotional state ca be related to skin sensitivity in
much the same way as a lie detector.

Guess what - I seem to be agreeing with you.  Note that all this is
guesswork based on facts ;-)

*However* does this mean that what we see on the film is *not* an aura?
That depends on what an "aura" is.  What the film has recorded is the
effect of an EM field.  We walk around in an EM field every day - the
Earth's Em field.  Granted it is weak.  We can see in very low light,
so why is it not possible that we might detect a weak EM field?
- because we can't see other ones - ok I never said the hypothesis was
watertight :-)

Worth thinking about, though.

Rob

>-- 
>  Robert E. McGrath
>  Urbana Illinois
>  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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