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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:22:22 GMT

In article <1240001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

Why? What is the purpose of this questionare? Who is it for? Who are you?
What organization do you represent? What will you do with the answers? Are
you going to use anyone's name along with whatever you're going to do with
the answers? If yes, for what purpose?

>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?

Generally? It's either a good idea or it's not. I don't see it as a "general"
issue at all. Perhaps you could rephrase this one.

>4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
>rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?

What exactly do you mean by this? Please explain this question with an
example or two.

>5.) What sex are you?

This question is unconstitutional and irrelevent. What is it's purpose
here, and how does it impact on thise survey?

>6.) How old are you?

See the above response to question 5.

>7.) What religion are you?

Perhaps you should have left this one as an essay answer. This is, afterall,
alt.pagan.

>8.) What political party are you affiliated with?

You forgot to list None as a possible answer for this one.

A note of caution to you, whoever you are. There was recently a questionaire
posted here that caused quite a furor. The flames and repsonses wasted alot
of bandwidth, and lasted far too long. You should have prefaced this with
an explanation of who you are and why you're posting this. See all of my
questions above. I can pretty much guarantee that you're going to get some
facetious, specious, and down right rude answers to this. If you cannot or
will not answer my opening questions, you can rest assured that noone here
will take you seriously, and that some will see you as fomenting some sort
of Christian conspiracy to seek out and destroy the lives of people who
participate in this forum.

Bb,

Corun


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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Georgie channeling?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:44:06 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Oct9.140418.29851@radian.uucp> markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:
>	mark, another draft dodger, as well as not a *real* Amurkan
	
	And Clinton is an evil person because he protested the Vietnam War.
		Yes, for openly stating your beliefs, you should be stripped,
		painted red, drawn and quatered.

	And Woody Allen and Murphy Brown are responsible for the moral
		decilne of America.  (Didja see that?  A Bush official,
		I think in the Justice Dept. slammed Woody saying basically
		he is a fine example of what is wrong with America.  I'll
		get better quotes if anyone cares)

>		("I don't believe you can be a real American if you don't
>			believe in God" - George Bush)
	Is this the actual quote?  I've been trying to find his exact words. 
Are these them?

|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu | Carpe Vitam, too.       |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:58:31 GMT
 <7DsgsB2w165w@freeside.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

glad i happened to check to see if my old maine account is
working, cos this is a subject i feel VERY strongly about.

circumcision is a mutilation.  whole penises are much more,
not less aesthetic than mutilated ones.  they are also more
sensitive and easier to play with - a definite bonus when
one reaches adulthood and wishes to do these things.  they
DO need more cleaning, but thsi is not a terrible hardship.

why attack a child's genitals before he is even old enough
for articulated thought?  that sort of trauma HAS to have an
effect on the psyche.

oh, this is me speaking with my little-used Woman Who Has
Slept With Altogetehr Too Many Men hat on.  i've acquired
a bit of an intimate knowlege of penises over the years, and
definitely enough to be able to speak intelligently in any
sort of discussion of comparison shopping.  if the word
"lovely" can be used (and for the sake of argument, leus
say that it can) to describe penises, a whole penis is the
loveliest form thereof.  it has no scars, it is smooth,
and teh foreskin retracts nicely if necessary for use.

no, you aren't on drugs, yes, i really DID write this,
no it is NOT a forgery.  i had a very long heterosexual
history before coming out to myself as a lesbian.  (and
i have finally decided that i really MUST accept the label
"bisexual" so certain readers out there have had their
prayers answered!  *grin*)

                                    -ailsa
======================================================================

Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
From: stratton@sumax.seattleu.edu (Paul Stratton)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:03:12 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA


Janis, you might ask this person why they signed up for the class if they
believe another evolutionary theory.  Asking the department is probably the safest way
to go because they probably have their own stock answers.  Getting antagonistic
is not going to help the situation.

I was in high school class on "Earth" Science and we had a fundie who refused
to take the two week section on evolution so he had to write a ten page paper
explaining his belief (with apropriate citations) theories of evolution.  In
this case a nice long paper (50+ pages) might be of use.

Good luck.  You seem like the type of person who is fast enough on her feet
to give a good answer.  You'll do just fine.  Please let us know what happens

Paul Stratton
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: sinead oconnor... verrrrryyy interesting
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:48:03 GMT
	<1992Oct11.145845.14734@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.

In article <1992Oct11.145845.14734@ultb.isc.rit.edu> 
bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Yea, kind of like good is actually bad, the good guys are actually the bad
>guys, black is actually white, etc.

Why is it that what is supposed to be good ends up so bad and what is
supposed to be bad ends up so good?
	-Lulu from Wild at Heart (and crazy on top)
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:54:29 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <92289.092042J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.222403.43855@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
>kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) says:
>>
>>
>>Then again, I think men are mostly scum.  I think they can recover
>>from scumminess, but like alcoholics, I think we need to fess up to
>>being scum before we can really start down the road to recovery.
>
>Speak for yourself, Stephen.

I agree with John. I'm past tired of hearing the women as superior
argument. Maybe "people are scum" in the way they treat each other, and
given that men in this culture have more power, they are in a better 
position to dish out scumfulness, but I hardly think women are any less
able to dish it out than men. It seems more a matter of prior conditioning
and education than anything inherent in the sex of the person. Males do
tend to be more competitive both with each other and with women, and
in this society, this "dog-compete-with-dog" attitude pervades male
attitudes, so to this extent there is this over-emphasized competitiveness
that excludes girls from class discussions, and helps sales of long-hooded
automobiles. But the entire society needs to recover, including BOTH
parents when they indoctrinate their children in these values.

And anybody who blames peer pressure or television IMO are just copping
out and not taking the responsibility for raising their children in a
manner consistent with their own values.

The recovery needs to start in each of us regardless of sex.

Blessings,

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:59:34 GMT

In article <2AD0E0AD.21246@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu 
(Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> In article <BvM9nK.4M6@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl 
> Denninger) writes:
> >
> >Lightning is one of those things you really can't protect well against.
> 
> Yes, you can.  If an electrical storm comes up, GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER
> AND UNPLUG THE DAMNED THING.  Go around your place and unplug all 
> major
> appliances, including the fridge.  When the storm passes, plug
> everything back in again.  My family lost a fridge once like this when
> we could ill afford to pay for another one.  
> 
> Just unplug everything you can.  Nothing is better protection than that.
> 
> Blessings,
> Janis 


  My house has so few electrical outlets anyways that we usually
only plug in appliances when we want to use them, then unplug
them afterwards as a part of turning it off.

  We're members of one of those little electrical co-operatives
that asks _US_ to tell them how much electricity we used, and
gives us big cuts in our bill to turn everything off during
morning and evening milking.  You city folks might think
I'm kidding, but this is for real -- electricity isn't as
automatically assumed a resource all over America like it is
in the cities.  We loose power about two or three times a week
for as much as an hour at a time.  If we wanted that to stop,
we'd have to buy a feed from a major powerplant, or build a
new one.  We'd all rather just do without it now and then.

  It's kind of nice to live with oil lamps and candles as a
regular part of life too.

  Blessed be, Ciaran.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
From: n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Michael J. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Some disgustingly mushy stuff
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:44:19 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

Very Robert-Fulghum-ish.
Thanks, I loved it!

Dymen
From: bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: sinead oconnor... verrrrryyy interesting
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:58:45 GMT
Reply-To: bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Yea, kind of like good is actually bad, the good guys are actually the bad
guys, black is actually white, etc.
From: jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Tarot Decks
Summary: How to choose a good Tarot deck.
Keywords: Suggestions For Choosing the Right Deck
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:02:45 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Any sugguestions for a good Tarot deck to use?  I've seen one I
like -- The Egyptian Deck -- in a store, but am uncertain as to
whether or not I should buy it.

I'm still the novice, so I'd appreciate suggestions, comments, or
just personal stories about you experiences with Tarot decks.  And
are there any personal favorites ,as far as book titles to get me
started.

One final note:  I'd like to thank all of you in "alt.pagan" who've
taken the time to respond to my previous posts.  You've made me
feel at home here, and I really appreciate your kind comments,
suggestions and advice.  

Thanks!

Jim

jimoates@panix.com



-- 
Admit Nothing
Blame Everyone
Xref: sparky alt.pagan:11183 alt.feminism:2619
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:31:21 GMT
Organization: LLNL


	On this subject, check out _Female Warlords_ (I forget the
author).

	One part of it tracks down the Greek Amazons to some real
people where women could take part in warfare -- the Sarmatians of the
steppes northeast of the Black Sea.

	Various Greek historians record what the Sarmatians were like.
Women could participate in warfare, but they had to leave soldiering
behind if they got married. A woman was especially desirable if she
had killed an enemy or two (one wonders if this was a story spread to
seem ferocious). It is very possible that some women did not marry at
all, so they could become Sarmatian leaders. This may explain some of
the barbarian queens of that part of the world.

	Archeologically, Sarmatian women have been found buried with,
among other things, weapons (laid beside them; no sign that the
weapons were used to kill them). Some Sarmatian women were found
buried with low tables; these could have been altar tables, making
their owners priestesses. Since husband and wife were buried side by
side, this may indicate that marriage was something of a partnership.
Compare their neighbors to the west, the Scythians, who practiced
polygamy, where women were stay-at-homes and where a man could inherit
his father's wives.

	I may add that Marija Gimbutas's picture of the Kurgans
(5000-2500 BCE; they fade off into later peoples) is partially derived
from what the Scythians were like; there don't seem to be any
Kurgan-era female warriors (or maybe some will turn up, or maybe some
Kurgan warrior "boy" will turn out to have been a woman).

	This bit about cutting off a breast to make room for an arm is
probably a folk etymology to account for why the word looks like
"breastless" in Greek. If it was a borrowing, then it would have had a
different meaning.

	Amazons may have entered the Greeks' consciousness about 1000
BCE, during the Greek Dark Age, during some of the unrest of that
time. The earlier portrayals of Amazons show them wearing Greek armor;
some later ones show them dressed like Sarmatians, suggesting
contemporary knowledge.

	How did they figure in Greek culture? They were always
villains for Greek heroes to defeat. One thing left out of the _Iliad_
was the story of Achilleus falling in love with the Amazon queen
Penthesileia as she died from his sword, and him having sex with her.
Amazons may have represented the ultimate inversion of society --
women doing the fighting -- and would have been a male aristocracy's
idea of what is threatening -- the women ganging up on them. A
contemporary example is the common stereotype of homosexuality, where
men become like women and women become like men. _The Reign of the
Phallus_ by Eva Keuls has a good discussion of why classical Athenian
artists liked to depict victories over Amazons, among numerous other
sordid details of Athenian sexual politics (another example: one
Athenian politician had supposedly decreed that every man must have
sex with his wife at least once a month, so as to produce new
citizens).
From: myddryn@netcom.com (Adam Sussman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Circles in San Diego?
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:01:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Does anyone konw of any circles in the San Diego area that might be willing
to take on a semi-beginner? Please mail me if you do. thanks.

myddryn@netcom.com
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: why Pagan Studies
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:07:46 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct13.004258.11207@nntp.uoregon.edu> JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU writes:

 > heard the duet from the Pearl fishers by Berloz, You may wonder what other

Bizet

 > If we are to survive, we must support other Pagans in this world who

The Way survives by definition. We are not at war; our task is merely to
awaken each child so they are able for themselves to see and hear the
truths of this temporal domain we occupy.

 > are losing their cultures to the inroads of Western "Christian"
 > Civilization.  Where are the Nayar of northern India who's culture is one
 > of the last Matriarchies, that until quite recently could be described in
 > terms that were used to describe the classic Amazon cultures.  Where are
 > the anthropologists to help them to survive.  We who are of European
 > extraction who have for the most part lost our culture and civilization
 > during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance.  If we are to hang on to what

We are still here. Nothing has been lost. People are not losing their
cultures through the inroads of anything resembling civilisation. They
are being shot with bullets from guns. Many are gone, but the rest are
still here; when the shooting stops again to pick up the threads once
more. That is the pattern everywhere in the world.

 > precious little is left, we must learn all we can about the other
 > Folk/Pagan cultures and support them where we can so that the
 > Folk/Paganways that are vanishing so quickly from the face of the earth can
 > remain for the generations to come.

They are not vanishing. The Way, The Craft, The Dreaming, is here for you
any time you want to follow it.

 > If you can control, what is known about a people, you can control the
 > truth about who, and what those people really are.  If this kind of
 > mind/thought control had not been practiced such questions about the roll

Control!!!!!????? Pegasus, please wake up. The shooters are getting to
you and bringing you this dreadful nightmare of doom upon the world.

Let it go and sit quietly with us awhile.

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:20:11 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <1992Oct13.035853.4591@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.030332.20750@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
>>Help!
>>I've been invited to a Halloween party, and have found out that it is to be
>>a costume party.
>>I need suggestions for a costume.  Help!
>>Thanks,
>>TopCat
>
>Go as a Pict.  Blue grease paint put on your body in swirls and
>animal patterns and nothing else :)

Oh! Woad is me!
"...Woad's the stuff to show men.
   Woad to scare your foemen.
 Boil it to a brilliant blue, and
   rub it on your legs and your abdomen..."
>
>Or, go as a Scot; wear your kilt _properly_ with a blue silk
>ribbon (for first prize)...
>
We know *that* song, too!

	mark (the Cymrophile)
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:07:53 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <1992Oct9.183542.22191@doug.cae.wisc.edu> christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) writes:
>
>I beg to differ on this point!  Circumcisions are done to AVOID 
>infections - which are quite common since bacteria can gather
>in the folds and cause very painful infections.  In face, a couple
>of my friends who were not cirucumcized at birth, had to be
>as adults due to infections -- and I can guarantee that it was NOT
>an enjoyable experience as you can imagine.  Save your son *a lot*
>of pain and possible complications later in his life -- get him
>circumcized now, while he still won't be able to remember the pain!

 We live in a culture that has a normal practice of bathing on a
semi-daily basis. As many doctors have publically pointed out in the last
decade or so, as long as men make sure to wash themselves including said
folds above, then there is no reason to be circumcized. There are also
indicators that I have read that people who have been circumcized may have
a higher chance of cancer in that area as well as a possible loss of
sensation sexually.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
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  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: The Serpent
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 05:49:01 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct7.181448.19305@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com writes:

 > >Also the dragon.
 >
 > Oh? What would you like to know about me?
 >  
 >         mark, the Silverdragon
 >  

What have you, Mark? Feel free.

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: re:drugs
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:07:40 GMT

in past post

}Sounds to me like a fucked up boyfriend. He is responsible for his actions,
}not some drug.

}Bill

	You have some concept of what drugs can do. Any drug can goof someone
up depending on how they react and the strength of the drug. There are drugs
that are being sold over the counter that can have very bad perminint side
efects.  When I went to the docter for a prescription for my asthma she told
me that one shouldnt us primaten because of this reason (the efects are on 
the hart). Around 90% of young people in prison for violent crimes were on
a drug that was concidered a mirrical worker (cant think of what is is called
at this moment) it was used to treat hyperactive and uther *problem* chidren
so as to keep them calm. Every one reacts difrintly to a drug that is given
no drug is perfict, they all have posable side efects.  I am hyperactive,
I was lucky in that my docter wouldnt let them put me on Ridlin (I remembered
now you dont have to ask). Caffein does strang things to my system. Causes me
to get edgy, decresis my atention span, and if I get to much causes me to
have a miled (very miled) sezuer. It is not easy to control these efects.
The only way that I am responsable for these efects is that I was the one who
drank/ate ect.. the caffein.

ELF-KIN