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From: HF.RLW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lee Wood, 3-6284)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:58:18 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Hal,

God has greatly cursed you if you haven't experienced slatting.  That's when
the boat sits dead in the water with not even enough wind to keep the sails on
one side of the boat or another.  Wave motion makes the sails bang back and
forth on their spars.  That's called slatting.

Several variations of slatting are offered here on San Francisco Bay and in
the ocean:

1.  February Saturday afternoon midwinter race slatting - 11:30 am, everyone has
motored out to the starting line because there's no wind, the sun is beating
down and everyone has stripped off fowlies, sweat suits, shirts, boots, etc. and
some folks are now jumping over the side to swim.  Tiny waves rock the boat
gently and induce a kind of near-sleep stupor.  Great opportunity to practice
your aim with water balloons (not encouraged, though - sea animals eat them and
die) and have auxiliary power drag races.  No kidding, this actually happened a
few years ago in the Golden Gate YC midwinters.

2.  Midnight the Friday before Labor Day becalmed off Santa Cruz at the end of
the Windjammer Race - 1:00 am, it's pitch dark, the temperature is 58 degrees,
there are fog banks all around, you can see a zillion stars because the fog is
only right on the deck, and you can hear the sea lions barking on the point.
You and your shipmates are freezing cold and wet from condensation inside your
fowlies.  The skipper is pissed because the tide inexorably takes you toward the
kelp beds he knows are there.  The slight groundswell rocks the boat back and
forth through about ten degrees and the sails pop softly at the limit of the
swing.  Each pop sends off the sails a shower of cold condensation which goes
right down your neck.  The only consolation you have is the sure knowledge that
the skipper will pop a bottle of rum as soon as you get the whistle.  No
kidding, this happens EVERY year!

Don't you wish you could go slatting too?

Lee

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (UNIX of course, now what was the question?)
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:40:00 GMT

In article <1icem5INN3jh@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes...
>Actually, though, I kinda like Will's idea. Sort of a per-capita representation
>in the AC competition. 

Me too.

..and representing the United States defender.... In the blue trunks...
 Max Skelley!
Gotta love it.



Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zpope@osf.org (William Pope)
Subject: Re: Oil Tanker Grounding
Reply-To: zpope@osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:39:00 GMT

In article <1ihsv1INNo0s@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> youngqud@ucs.orst.edu (Dean Youngquist) writes:

>   Regarding the recent grounding of a large oil tanker in (I think) the  
>   Shetland Islands, how is it possible for a ship to be driven onto the
>   rocks ?  Was is actually driven into land while using maximum power and
>   while attempting to travel directly away from land, into the swells and
>   wind ? 

In this case the ship had lost engine power.  The crew was already off by
the time the ship hit the rocks.  I don't have charts of the area but from
what I've understood so far the ship was in a channel 22 miles wide between
the Shetlands and Scotland in some very nasty weather.  Don't know how or
why it lost power.  

=bill


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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ebrook@athena.mit.edu (Edward J Brook)
Subject: Sailboat Storage/Seattle Area
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:12:43 GMT

	I am looking in to storing our Westsail 32 for a year or two
in the Seattle area, and I would like some recommendations for storage
yards/services.  Definitely on land, and I want to explore the 
price/benefits of indoor vs. outdoor storage. I'd prefer a yard that
can offer maintenence services since I will not be in town.  Cost is
an issue, but I am also concerned about reliability and safety. E-mail
replies would be great, I'll post a list of names and numbers of if
one develops.  I'd also be interested to know if people carry 
insurance, and of what type, while their boats are on land.  Thanks.
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How Do GPS Receivers Keep Time?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:23 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan12.151934.50543@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON) writes...
>According to various articles on GPS, locations are found by a combination of
>ranging and triangulation. 
>How is time kept in the receiver to an
>accuracy of one part in ten to the seventh? (and for less than $1k).
>Brent

As I understand it, the GPS set needs at least 3 satellites in view. The
clock in the GPS only needs to keep accurate time for the interval between
pulse groups from the two satellites; not especially difficult. I suspect
that it doesn't even have to be all that accurate, just as long is it doesn't
drift (which is unlikely in the fraction of a second involved), since the 
satellite data can be used to calibrate the local clock. 

--
 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Cruising the Mississippi
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole - SKYDIVE New Orleans! - (504)891-3142 16,800 bps
Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 

>I too am interested in cruising through the Great Lakes to the Mississippi
>and the gulf.  The main questions in my mind (at this early stage of plannin
>are which way and how long.  I'd start from New Jersey.  I could go down the
>ICW, stop by the islands, through the gulf to the Miss, up the Miss to
>the Great Lakes and then to The St. Lawrence and Lake Champlain (or through
>the Erie Canal) and down the Hudson.  OR I could start up the Hudson and
>end coming north on the ICW.

>Which way would you go?

I would definitely want to go DOWN the Mississippi and North on the ICW.
On the lower reaches of the Mississippi you would be fighting a 3 to 6
knot current, depending on the time of year.  I would try to avoid being
on the river in the spring (April-June) as this is when the water is
highest and the current strongest.

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Hudson -> Erie, etc. (was: Who's planning a cruise? Where and When?)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:50:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.001931.23647@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rpw@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner) writes:
>Speaking of crusing, if anybody has done the Hudson River,
>Erie Canal, Great Lakes, Ohio River, Mississipi and Ten-Tom,
>I'd like to have a chat. We'd like to do that one, but I
>think I might have to carry it from Erie PA to the Ohio...
>
>--ray
>
>-- 
>Ray Wagner
>                                Computer Science Department
>     rpw@cs.virginia.edu         University of Virginia
>                                  Charlottesville, VA   22903

What is the minimum depth along this route?

Can you travel from the Hudson River to the Gulf Coast via the canals
and Mississippi?

I live in Troy, on the Hudson below the first lock, and would be
interested in hearing about anyone passing through. I would also
be interested in crewing from NYC or Troy to the Gulf. 

barry

ps
 
Troy's River Front Park and dock was completed a few years ago
and has seen a number of boats during the warm weather.
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:57:41 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: euclid.cs.brown.edu

In article <1993Jan5.142332.10770@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard) writes:
:In article <will.726187523@ogre> will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
:>
:>How about instead of AC boats they just spend the same amount of money
:>an buy Lasers.  Let's see... that's about 2000 Lasers per country give
:>or take a few hundred.  Then have one big regatta with all of these
:>boats.  The country with the lowest points wins!  I can just see it...
:>4000 Lasers on the starting line
:
:But, you know, somebody would figure out how to build a "cheater" carbon-fiber,
:solid-state, differnetial GPS built into the tiller extension, data uplink to
:the Strategic Air Command, Robo-Laser.

Y'know, this starts to raise interesting questions. Suppose you built a
laser-sized boat out of the most expensive thing you can imagine---let's
say "laminated cocaine" or something. Assume you keep it light enough to 
float. Does it cost more than one AC boat? :-)

Actually, though, I kinda like Will's idea. Sort of a per-capita representation
in the AC competition. 

-John
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hudson -> Erie, etc. (was: Who's planning a cruise? Where and When?)
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:01:58 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, p00004@psilink.com (Michael Smith) writes:
>>DATE:   6 Jan 93 19:16:08 GMT
>>FROM:   Robert Hanners <hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
>>My neighbor did it once in his 32' sailboat, nows plans to repeat it
>>this spring in a 35' trawler.
>
>What did he do with his sailboat's mast? Or did he have to? I seem to
>recall that the segment through Chicago, at least, has some rather low
>bridges, but I can't recall whether they open or not. If they do, is it
>only at certain hours?

Mast has to come down there, I believe.  I know it does in New York.
Many just stow it for the duration-- 'til they get to the Gulf.

-- Bob

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden)
Subject: saltwater cooling and shipping questions
To: rec.boats
Posted-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10: 11:51 CST
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:11:51 GMT
Received-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10: 11:52 CST

hi,

i have an opportunity to move my houseboat to clear lake in houston
for a year or two.  it has a ford 305 engine and a volvo penta
outdrive.  my question is: can i run this boat unaltered in saltwater,
or do i have to make some modifications.  if the former is the case,
what (if any) are the maintenance/lifetime penalties.

also, do any of you have any experience with shipping a large boat
(mine's 34'x12')?  any recommended shipping companies?  (i think it
would be a wonderful adventure to take it there via the mississippi
and icw, but it would take forty 8-hour days to do it, and i don't
have the vacation time!  :-)

email answers are preferred unless generally useful.  thanks.

-geo
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      *** Where "Research" is our middle name! ***
3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 -- (612)951-7769
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:25:15 GMT

John F. Hughes writes:

>I propose a rec.boats project: let's redesign the AC. 

I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't object to the existing
rules and thinks that the proposed mods are reasonable.  But...I do
have one small suggestion: let's change the format from match- to
fleet-racing. The main reason why last year's races were not always
exciting enough (and I watched them all on TV anyway) is that the
boats were too often mismatched, or one got way ahead of the other due
to a wind shift. In a fleet, there would always be plenty of
close-quarters action which, of course, is the main reason why my
proposal has no chance.

The best thing that could happen to the AC is to have the races sailed 
in Sydney or San Francisco or Hawaii or ANYWHERE where the wind actually 
blows.


Stefan
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: martel@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (georgine.martel)
Subject: bareboat charters in south pacific
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:24:53 GMT
Keywords: bareboats, south pacific, charters, sailing


A group of people I know plan to charter bareboats to sail in the South 
Pacific (actually, in the Kingdom of Tonga, which is east of Fiji and south
of Samoa) this May. The leader found a charter company called Morings, but they 
charge about 3 times what he usually pays. 

Would any netters know of any other boat charter companies in the area, 
their addresses and phone numbers and be able to recommend them? If so, 
please reply to my e-mail address, gina@library.att.com 

thanks,

Gina Martel

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Downside of sailboat sitting on bottom??
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:18:36 PST

Theory, not experience so worth exactly it's weight in gold and not a
penny more:

  If your boat is sometimes afloat and sometimes aground, then there
will also be times when it is somewhere in between.  Sand is abrasive,
and your boat will be shifting in contact with it  (You did say that
the bottom where you are is sand, I believe). This will have a deleterious,
and largely invisible effect on under water hull coating, and, if unchecked
on the hull itself.  I predict that your boat will wind up out of the
water on a fairly frequent basis anyway.  Reconsider a trailer, or other
storage.

Al Moore
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:08:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant

In article 1ia6e5INNnmb@cat.cis.Brown.EDU, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> (3) One race (of five) to be sailed offshore at night.

The crews might strike.  Sailing off the coast of San Diego
at night is a maddening business that all too often can be
summarized in a single (rather wonderful) word:  slatting.

BILL


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (UNIX of course, now what was the question?)
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:04:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.202539.9503@Happy-Man.com>, Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes...
>How about reimposing the requirement that all vessels travel to
>the race course on their own bottoms?  That would mean a real
>need for seaworthiness, and focus R&D on innovations more useful
>to *real* sailboats. :-)

Too unfair to the challengers. They only have to travel out from the harbor.




Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
From: nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Downside of sailboat sitting on bottom??
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:38:36 GMT
Reply-To: nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <wwalker-070193094811@bwalker.qualcomm.com> wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>In article <11624@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
>wrote:
    
   [ ... material deleted ... ]
>> 
>> The water in my little canal gets very shallow at low tide, and without
>> any doubt whatsoever the boat is going to be sitting on the bottom
>> a lot of the time.  Any real downside to this??   The motor will be

   [ ... more material deleted ... ]
>
>It sounds like what you really need is a boat with bilge keels (two short
>keels).  This type of boat can sit on the bottom without the embarrasment
>of falling over on its sides and smashing its rigging on the dock.  The
>December issue of Cruising World had an article about a boat of this type. 
>The downside is that these boats are pretty rare, especially in the U.S. 
>I'm no sailboat expert.  Does anybody out there know of any bilge keel
>boats in the U.S.?  The one in the article was a British Caprice class
>sloop of only 18 feet.

First of all, thanks for the information.  Second, thanks to the several
people who have sent me some e-mail with good advice.  I'm always grateful
to those who are willing to take the time and trouble to share their expertise.

However, grateful as I am for information, it is not at all practical for
me to consider getting a boat from an area more than about a 300 miles
radius.  My car would never make it pulling a trailer, and never in my
wildest fantasy would I contemplate sailing it a long distance.

So if someone could supply some brand names for bilge-keel boats, I
could watch for them to be advertised.  (I have one name already, a
Drascombe, which is on my list).  But please don't tell me about a great
buy, just waiting to be snapped up, in Seattle, Washington :-)

John

-- 
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  "Why yes, as a matter of fact, I DID vote for Hillary!!" - me
From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: SAILBOAT FOR SALE
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA


  I would like to post a friends boat for sale ! She is back from voyaging.


               MAGIC MOON  is a Cheoy Lee Offshore 41 1978 Ketch
                           She was designed by Ray Richards

The owners are Doug and Niki Donegan 707 579 4298. The boat is in the northern
part of the San Francisco bay area. The price is $ 79,000

Custom all teak interior, tri cabin, 1 head, 6 berths, LPG stove/oven, pressure
H/C water, 95 gal fuel in 3 tanks, 130 gal water in 2 tanks.

Electronics: Data marine knot/log, coast navigator depth sounder, coast navigatoVHF, Alpha auto pilot, Alpine stereo, Lestec 140 amp alternator, Lewco battery
charger, Adler-Barbour refrigeration, 3 battery banks.

Sail inventory: Main two reefs. Custom traveler. Mizzen, 1 reef, Profurl system
w/ 2 headsails. Cruising spiiaker w/ sock, Storm jib, Mizzen stay-sail, Mizzen
riding sail.    Dodger, Cockpit awning, sail covers, Large cockpit w/custom TablTable.

Ground Tackle: 45lb CQR w/150 ft 3/8 PC chain and 200 ft rode. Maxwell 2200 lb
Electric windless, 20H Danforth.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: scott@prodplan.Columbia.NCR.COM (Scott Bridges)
Subject: Re: BOAT/US and rec.boats
Keywords: Internet connection available?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 13:11:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.211706.6679@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jadams@vixen.cc.bellcore.com (adams,john) writes:
>Fellow netters,
>Having just received the BOAT/US Reports in the snail mail, the thought occurred
>to me that BOAT/US should directly participate in the rec.boats newsgroup.
>If this subject has already been discussed and dismissed, I apologize.  If not, and
>others feel that BOAT/US should at least monitor rec.boats via internet (or some
>other means), I would be happy to raise this point with them in person when I 
>visit the New Yawk Boat Show next weekend.  
>-- 
>Jack (John) Adams			| Bellcore NVC 2Z-220
>(908) 758-5372 {Voice}			| (908) 758-4389 {Facsimile}
>jadams@vixen.cc.bellcore.com			| kahuna@attmail.com


Excellent idea.  Let us know what they say.  I thint that someone from Boat/US
would make a great source of information on laws, equipment, whatever.
They might also gain something from listening to our discussions.

Scott

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: fallavol@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Michael A. Fallavollita)
Subject: Lightning protection ... again.
Keywords:  lightning grounding protection
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:58:51 GMT
Distribution: usa

Since there has been some discussion of lightning strikes on boats, I'd
like to hear more about what other people have done to protect their boats.
My wife and I have a Catalina 25 that is not grounded (to the best of our
knowledge) but I think I'd like to ground it.  The question is how?  We
have a cast iron keel but can that be used as the grounding point or should
the ground plane be something that is not painted?

I'd like to hear any comments from others who have similar boats (fiberglass
hull with cast keel).  I'd also like to hear more first hand accounts of
lightning strikes.

Thanks,

Mike Fallavollita	[fallavol@corvus.arc.nasa.gov]
Catalina 25 #3093
Newsgroups: rec.boats