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Newsgroups: comp.org.issnnet
Subject: Vote on
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:48 GMT
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From: tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Food near UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:10:20 GMT
Organization: Humanity

In article <MITCH.92Aug26122905@mira.clsi> mitch@clsi (Mitchell N. Perilstein) writes:
|In article <27185@life.ai.mit.edu> tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) writes:
|
|> ... This included a bookstore cafe on the west
|> side of the street with excellent cuisine at reasonable prices
|> (including vegetarian selections).  Sadly, the name escapes me.
|
|You're probably thinking of Louie's. It's on N. Charles about a block
|South of the Washington Monument, on the West side of the street.
|Someone here recommends the mussels.

No, not Louie's.  The cafe I am thinking of is several blocks south of
the Washington Monument.  I had a 2nd floor as well.

enjoy -len

Member of the League for Programming Freedom.
Ask <league@prep.ai.mit.edu> via e-mail for information.
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: paris@zygon.dev.cdx.mot.com (Gregory M. Paris)
Subject: Re: Whither SAGE?
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:00:29 GMT

bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>And the issue isn't really "equitability", the issue is running a
>first class organization (both USENIX and SAGE.)

My question is, why the association between USENIX and SAGE at all?
Sure, I can understand that the organization in its infancy needs some
help getting off the ground, but from what I can tell, the parent-child
relationship of USENIX and SAGE is intended to be permanent.  Why?

-- 
Greg Paris <paris@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com>
Motorola Codex, 20 Cabot Blvd C1-30, Mansfield, MA  02048-1193
    "I don't want to get, you know, here we are close to the election --
     sounding a knell of overconfidence that I don't feel."  --George Bush
From: feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: HOTEL COSTS 2 (Was Re: UNIX SECURITY ...)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:02:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123807.19558@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> Is there really a prohibition against sharing rooms on gov't travel?
|> As I remember from the Bad Old Days when I was working for defense
|> contractors, we were pretty much _required_ to share, if possible, to
|> keep costs down.  
|> 

Oh, no.  There's no prohibition against either sharing a room or staying
with a friend or relative.  But in the first case there's no incentive to
do so, and in the second case there's actually a dis-incentive, as they
take away much (if not all?) of your travel allowance.  Wanting people to
share cars is somewhat common, but the government wanting people to share
rooms is pretty rare, from those I've talked to.

But on to THE MAIN POINT (as far as USENIX is probably concerned):  It
doesn't make any difference with respect to the total room count whether
I share someone else's room at the official conference, "El Grando Inn" or
have my own room 4 blocks away at the "Ho Hum Lodge."  (unless the
prospecive sharee has to move out of the the Inn, because he just couldn't
find another sharer, but I doubt that that possible secondary effect is
really significant)

While I'm at a conference, I'm either doing conference things or sleeping--
probably not anything much else.  I almost expect to get a little sick
at these events, since people from around the country (or world) are all
concentrated at close quarters sharing germs.  I remember at the Anaheim
USENIX there was an especially large amount of coughing & sneezing going
on.  I find getting good sleep very important to keeping my resistance up,
so while a fancy room is not especially important to me, a private one is.

I do like to be within walking distance, though, so if the "Ho Hum Lodge"
turns out to be 3 miles away, I would probably even choose to stay at the
"Armpit Hotel" across the street, as I did in San Antonio.  That (actually
it was the "Downtowner Motel") was convenient and economical.  The TV didn't
work to well, but all I really wanted to catch was a little news.  I wish
I'd known it was there ahead of time, though, since I could have skipped
the rent-a-car entirely & just taken a cab to & from the airport.

-- 

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From: craig@sics.se (Craig Partridge)
Subject: joining SIGS (was Whither SAGE?)
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:52:36 GMT

Rich Salz notes:
> Can't join ACM sigs without being an ACM member.

Hi Rich:

    Yes you can join most ACM SIGs without being an ACM member.  It just costs
more (since ACM likes to encourage folks to join).  But if you're
only interested in one SIG, joining that SIG is cheaper than joining the
SIG plus ACM.

    Example: ACM SIGCOMM charges $50 to join for non-ACM members, and $22
for ACM members (but that's on top of $75 ACM rates).

Craig
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: HOTEL COSTS 2 (Was Re: UNIX SECURITY ...)
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:42:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.010821.14718@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>There is a newsgroup for that very
>purpose, comp.org.usenix.roomshare.

I have never seen an official "newgroup" for this group, and it was 
certainly never voted on. I'll bet a lot of sites don't carry it.

--Greg
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: mitch@clsi (Mitchell N. Perilstein)
Subject: Re: Food near UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM
Followup-To: comp.org.usenix
Organization: CAD Language Systems, Inc.
	<BZS.92Aug24185549@ussr.std.com> <27185@life.ai.mit.edu>
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:29:05

In article <27185@life.ai.mit.edu> tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) writes:

> ... This included a bookstore cafe on the west
> side of the street with excellent cuisine at reasonable prices
> (including vegetarian selections).  Sadly, the name escapes me.

You're probably thinking of Louie's. It's on N. Charles about a block
South of the Washington Monument, on the West side of the street.
Someone here recommends the mussels.

Chow,
---
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 CAD Language Systems, Inc.                      Suite 101
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From: neil@pio.gid.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Alternative hotels for LISA conference
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:50:25 GMT
Organization: GID Ltd, Upper Basildon, READING, Berks, UK


Suggestions for alternative hotels for the LISA conference please.

Cheers,

Neil


--
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From: ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Food near UNIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM
Summary: CRABS!
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:03:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: c3acb274fd893c1ca341035d1910bff0

For those seeking Maryland Steamed Crabs here is a small list of the
restaurants that I know of.

Connoley's  Pratt St @ Pier 4(?)
	This is the best of the Crab and Seafood houses on the Inner
Harbor.  From the Sheraton, cross over to HarborPlace and start walking
toward the World Trade Center Building,  keep going past the Aquarium
and the old Power Plant.  Just beyond the Power Plant (on Pratt St)
there is a small restaurant tucked between the road and the parking lots
and the concert pavillion.  You've found it.
	IMO, better and cheaper than the high profile restaurants in the
HarborPlace complex.

Phillips,   HarborPlace
	It is truly amazing to me that *in* the HarborPlace, I had
trouble finding Maryland Steamed Crabs.  It may have improved, but
Phillips was about the only place were they were occasionally available
(though overpriced).  

(General HarborPlace Comments)
	HarborPlace is stuffed with restaurants and shops, featuring a
wide variety of cuisines.  It is the closest food venue to the Sheraton.
Access is via a pedestrian bridge over Pratt Street directly from the
hotel area.  Some of the places offer real seating, but most are mall
style food court places with tables and stand-ups and other perches
shared by all.  You pay your money and take your chances/choices.

Further afield.

Beau Brooks,  BelAir Road

	I don't remember the exact directions for getting from the
Harbor to BelAir Road, but a call should provide the directions.
	This is a "big name" Crab House and is a little overpriced for
the quality and quantity the last time I was there (2 years ago.)

Gordons,  Reisterstown Road, Pikesville
Backfin,  Reisterstown Road, Pikesville

	These two restaurants are way up north of Baltimore, just beyond
the northwest corner of the city limits.  Taking the Falls Expressway to
Towson and then heading "west" on the beltway to Reisterstown Road and
heading a few blocks back into town  will bring you into the main
commercial district of Pikesville.  The Backfin is 4 (or 5?) traffic
lights down on the right, and Gordons is a block or two further on the
left.
	I prefer the Crabs at the Backfin, and other seafood is better
at Gordons.  The Backfin was still there last year.

	There are also lots of bars and taverns that offer decent
steamed crabs around the area.

I was planning to be at the conference, but the scheduling got scrambled
at the last minutes before the hotel deadline so I'm out of luck for
this year (damn damn damn).  My mate is a Baltimore area native, so I
got pretty familiar with the area for a while :-)

				Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: joining SIGS (was Whither SAGE?)
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:29:33 GMT

craig@sics.se (Craig Partridge) writes:

>Rich Salz notes:
>> Can't join ACM sigs without being an ACM member.

>    Yes you can join most ACM SIGs without being an ACM member.  It just costs
>more (since ACM likes to encourage folks to join).  But if you're
>only interested in one SIG, joining that SIG is cheaper than joining the
>SIG plus ACM.

>    Example: ACM SIGCOMM charges $50 to join for non-ACM members, and $22
>for ACM members (but that's on top of $75 ACM rates).

Hmmm... hadn't noticed that.  OK, I'll put the idea of charging a higher
SAGE-only membership fee to the SAGE and USENIX boards, both of which
would have to approve.  Financially it would be to SAGEs benefit, but
I don't know what it would mean to USENIX.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
From: tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Whither SAGE?
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:42:28 GMT
Organization: Punditique International

In article <scs.714324889@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
   ...
|Your money went (every penny) to the USENIX Association.  They will use
|it to fund the elections, legal costs, "office costs" that USENIX incurs
|on our behalf, and meeting space at San Antonio and Long Beach.  The ad-hoc
|board has not and will get get a penny.  We do it all out of our own pockets
|or the pockets of our employers.  It is our feeling that the same should
|apply to the elected board.  [[Potential board members take note -- you
|should expect to spend a lot of time and $$$ attending meetings, in
|teleconferences, etc, etc.  At this point it is simply not feasible for
|your expenses to be convered by SAGE.]]
   ...
|Steve

Hmm, USENIX pays for members of the USENIX board to come to USENIX
board meetings.

It would seem fair for SAGE Board Members to also have their
out-of-pocket expenses picked up.  Perhaps phased in over a few years?
And only after a SAGE Board is elected.

It's a small consideration for the substantial amount of time it takes
to run an organization.

I suspect this is one of those "corporate" matters, that Steve
mentioned SAGE and USENIX are talking about.

I would hope, in time, that USENIX would turn LISA over to SAGE,
including it's profit (or loss), and focus on SAGE running well,
instead of LISA being ran well.

thanx -len

Member of the League for Programming Freedom.
Ask <league@prep.ai.mit.edu> via e-mail for information.
From: carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: USENIX Student Grant Application
Keywords: USENIX Association
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:32:58 GMT
Organization: Usenix Association Office, Berkeley


            USENIX Systems Administration Conference
			   LISA VI	
		 Student Grant Application Form

The Association will award a limited number of grants (to cover travel,
accommodations and registration fees) to full-time students interested
in attending the USENIX Systems Administration Conference, LISA VI, 
October 19-23, 1992 in Long Beach, California.

Interested full-time students should return this form together with a
copy of their current student identification to:

	  	          Diane DeMartini 
		 	USENIX Association
		   2560 Ninth Street, Suite 215
			Berkeley, CA 94710

NOTE:  We cannot consider your application without a copy of your
current student identification card.

Applications must arrive by September 1, 1992.

If you have not yet received information about registration,
please contact the USENIX conference office at tel: 714/588-8649.

_______________________________________________________
Name  
______________________________________________________
Street Address 
_____________________________________________________
City,  State,  Zip Code
___________________________    ______________________
Phone number		       e-mail address
____________________________
Academic institution

Expense Request (Please estimate as best you can.)

Travel:			_________

Accommodation:		_________

Registration fees:
Technical sessions - $75.________

Total Requested:	$_________

___________________________________
Date / Signature

Are you presenting a paper at this conference? ____ yes
Have you ever received a USENIX Student Grant? ___ yes ____ no ____ date
Are you a member of USENIX Association?  ____ yes    ____ no

As a student, you may receive regular member benefits for only
$20.  If you are interested, please contact office@usenix.org.
From: ellie@usenix.ORG (Ellie Young)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: When/where is the next LISA conference?
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:22:16 GMT
Organization: Usenix Association Office, Berkeley

In article jessea@homecare.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:

> Could someone tell me when and where the next LISA conference is?  Is
> there a particular theme?  Thanks.
> -- 
>       Jesse W. Asher                                   Phone: (901)762-6000
>  Internet: jessea@homecare.COM                 UUCP: ...!banana!homecare!jessea


The next LISA Conference will be held in Long Beach, California,
from Oct 19-23.  Please watch this newsgroup for postings of the
program, and I will make sure you get a copy electronically soon
of the program and registration form.

USENIX Staff


Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Alternative hotels for LISA conference
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:27:31 GMT

neil@pio.gid.co.uk writes:

>Suggestions for alternative hotels for the LISA conference please.

Must second Pat Wilson's comment -- if money is an issue, get a
roommate.  USENIX reaps great financial benefit if we book enough
rooms (or rather, pays a hell of a financial penalty if we don't
book enough rooms); and the benefits of staying in the conference
hotel are really big.  I sincerely doubt there's a hotel in
reasonable distance that would save you as much as having a roommate
would.

Steve "rooming with someone at LISA (but not Pat)" Simmons
-- 
"If life were fair, the acquisition of a large bosom or a massive inheritance
 would have no bearing on your ability to attract the opposite sex, and Dan
 Quayle would be making a living asking runny-nosed children, `Do you want
 fries with that?'"     -- John Cleese, "Corporate Computing" magazine
From: feirtag@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Fred Feirtag)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: HOTEL COSTS 2 (Was Re: UNIX SECURITY ...)
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.202747.7739@news.eng.convex.com>, tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
|> 
|> Here's a really crazy thought:
|> If we raised the conference fees $50 and put the money
|> into a $10/day discount of rooms, would this make it easier to stay at
|> the conference hotel?
|> 
|> --tom
|> 

Tom:  yes-Yes-YES!!!  Great Idea!!!
It's not clear that Pat and Henry got the main points that Jeremy and
I were making.  The main point is that while the Government (and many
businesses too, I gather) will spend lavishly for some things, luxurious
accomodations for employees are not one.

Possibly an analogy will help make the point.  Many auto repair shops
artificially inflate their prices for materials, because many people
find a bill like this:

    Parts:  $200.50 (Washer) + Labor:  $100 = Total:  $300.50

more agreeable than a bill like this:

    Parts:  $0.50   (Washer) + Labor:  $300 = Total:  $300.50

In the first case, most of the cost seems out of control of the immediate
establishment and therefore less questionable.  In the second case, the
customer may be less certain whether he's getting his money's worth.
Think of the conference fees as parts and the travel expenses as labor.

I know this isn't enough to convince those people who haven't personally
had to deal with a rigid, arbitrary, and capricious travel claims office,
but they should really reserve judegment.

Once again, Great Idea! -- but make it +$100 & -$20/day to see that at
least the cheapest hotel is within the Government limits.  By the way,
I think many businesses use the same lovely little book--they may be
forced to if they have any government contract, I think.

-- 

Fred Feirtag                  | "The plan is:
Naval Research Lab, Code 5120 |  Kill the brain, and you kill the ghoul.
Washington, DC  20375         |  Beat 'em or burn 'em--they go up pretty easy."
feirtag@wave.nrl.navy.mil     |
(202) 404 - 8502              |            (Night of the Living Dead)
From: pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: The cost of a SAGE board seat.
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:01:46 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
|tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) writes:
|
|>Hmm, USENIX pays for members of the USENIX board to come to USENIX
|>board meetings.
|>It would seem fair for SAGE Board Members to also have their
|>out-of-pocket expenses picked up.  Perhaps phased in over a few years?
|
|USENIX has thousands of paying members at $165 per, SAGE has hundreds
|at $25 per.  Seven board members times four meetings per year would
|break the SAGE bank instantly.

to me this immediately suggests annual as opposed to quarterly meetings.
one would not like to see good talent held back because of the vagaries
of budgets or see only those bankrolled by corporations able to serve.


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