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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:17:02 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 571

In this issue:
                  please unsubscribe me from this list
               Gay Bush/Quayle Campaign Helper Dumped (?)
                             London visits
                                  HELP
                         John Boswell's latest
                    national march? and event ideas!
                             other lists...
              Is homosexuality okay with the R.C. church?

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 8:32 GMT
From: Sandy Mackinnon <CBAS38@VAXB.STRATHCLYDE.AC.UK>
Subject: please unsubscribe me from this list

Please remove me from this mailing list

cheers


cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:15:52 EDT
From: romickle@vassar.edu
Subject: Gay Bush/Quayle Campaign Helper Dumped (?)

Just heard on public radio that a man has charged the  Bush/Quayle campaign
fired him because they found out he was gay.  The people in charge of the
campaign countered that he was not fired because he is gay , but because he
was rude to co-workers (huh?).  Does anyone have any more concrete info on
this?

I have some preliminary thoughts on the subject (Republicans and
lesbigays), but I'll wait  until I hear from someone.

Derrick
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         romickle@vassar.edu      \      /  Box 2699, Vassar College
         romickle@vassar.bitnet    \    /    Poughkeepsie NY 12601
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  black is how I feel on the inside" \/
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:06:30 CDT
From: Charles Harmon ALA <U58550%UICVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      London visits

In response to the inquiries about London's good places for PLU, the
current issue of OUR WORLD magazine, a gay/lesbian travel magazine, is
wholly devoted to London.

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Date: 23 Jul 92 09:36:30 EDT
From: Thanalakshmi.Subramaniam@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: HELP

does anyone out there in Gaynet-land know how to get a still or a gd picture
of the buchanan ad that used stills from Tongues Untied? i neeed this info
for an article.
thanks,
shimi

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From: COULPETG.JABBA@law.mail.cornell.edu (COULPETG)
Subject: John Boswell's latest
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:00
X-Force-Noop: COULPETG.JABBA@law.mail.cornell.edu

I've contacted a friend of mine who worked with John Boswell on
her senior thesis at Yale.  She talked with Boswell often about
the new work in progress since it related to her thesis and this
is what she told me about his latest book on a same-sex marriage
ceremony:

"Well, the last that I heard from Boswell, it was supposed to be
out already, but he was concerned that with his many duties as
chair of the history dept., etc., that the book would be delayed.
(As a matter of fact, Benno [Schmidt, University President] had a
tough time getting him to accept the post for that very reason.)
I think he also is taking his time to make damn sure that his
assertions are solid.  There were many medieval "betrothals"
which weren't intended to be taken in a sexual sense; they were a
form of celebrating a platonic friendship between two close
friends of the same sex.  The difference between a friendship
betrothal and a marriage was often very slight -- a slight
difference of phrasing imparted a completely different meaning.
So Boswell was very concerned that the ceremonies he chose would
be, undeniably, marriage ceremonies.  That's pretty much the sum
of what I know, and it's year-old information.  If he's now
saying that the book is another year off, my guess (and it's only
a guess) is that he came across a new document which has required
the alteration of the book.  I know for a fact that in the spring
of 1991, he expected the last revision to be done by the end of
the summer."

So that's what I know about Boswell's work.  Let's hope that
whatever it is, it comes out soon.

Peter Coulombe (Yale '91)
Cornell Law School

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:21 EDT
From: "Kevin P. Micalizzi" <MICALIZZ%ITHACA.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: national march? and event ideas!

hello all.  I first wanted to thank everyone who responded to my
request on more information about coming out to parents.  You've
been very helpful.

This time I'm posting to find out more about the march on washington.
i saw a poster for it one, but I don't remember any specifics...can
anyone tell me when? and any detailed info. i would like to get involved
in some way.

Also, I'm a co-president of our Bisexual, Gay, and Lesbian Alliance
here at Ithaca College, and I've been brainstorming ideas for things
we can do during this up and coming academic year.  Does anyone have
any suggestions?  This past year we had Brain McNaught come to campus
and we've had many small programs and two rallies, what else is there
to do?  I'm not feeling very creative at this point in my life...
can anyone share things they've done with groups...or would like to do?


Thanks...I anxiously await your reply....  =)

-Kev

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        "I've come out...as me."                -kpm

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:16 EDT
From: "Kevin P. Micalizzi" <MICALIZZ%ITHACA.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: other lists...

Does anyone know of other listservs I might be able to access?  I love GAYNET,
but I want more!  =)  thanks



-kev

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        "An ye harm none, do as ye will."               -unknown

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:51:50 CDT
From: tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Terence P. Ma)
Subject: Is homosexuality okay with the R.C. church?

Actually, folks, if you read "The Letter to Bishops on the Pastoral
Care of Homosexual Persons" (Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith, October 30, 1986), which is the official doctrinal position of
how homosexual are to be treated, it comments on this question.

"It thus requires of her ministers attentive study, active concern and
honest, theologically well-balanced counsel.

"Explicit treatment of the problem was given in this congregation's
'Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics' of Dec. 29,
1975.  That document stressed the duty of trying to understand the
homosexual condition and noted that culpability for homosexual acts
should be judged with prudence.  At the same time the congregation took
note of the distinction commonly drawn between the homosexual condition
or tendency and individual homosexual actions.  These were described as
deprived of their essential and indispensable finality, as being
'intrinsically disordered,' and able in no case to be approved of (cf
No. 8, S4).  In the discussion which followed the publication of the
declaration, however, an overly benign interpretation was given to the
homosexual condition itself, some going so far as to call it neutral,
or even good.  Although the particular inclination of the homosexual
person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered
toward an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be
seen as an objective disorder.

"Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed
toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that
the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally
acceptable option.  It is not.

[ material deleted ]

"To choose someone of the same sex for one's sexual activity is to
annul the rich symbolism and meaning, not to mention the goals, of the
Creator's sexual design.  Homosexual activity is not a complementary
union, able to transmit life, and so thwarts the call to a life of that
form of self-giving which the Gospel says is the essence of Christian
living.  This does not mean that homosexual person are not often
generous and giving of themselves, but when they engage in homosexual
activity they confirm within themselves a disordered sexual inclination
which is essentially self-indulgent."

What this says, in essence, is that behaving as a homosexual is without
doubt one of the gravest sins imaginable to the Church hierarchy.
However, a person who is homosexual is "a more or less strong tendency
ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself
must be seen as an objective disorder."

Thus, JPII and his pet rat (Cardinal Ratzinger), consider being Gay,
regardless of whether one exercises ones sexuality, "an objective
disorder."

As a practicing Catholic, I accept the authority of the teaching
Magisterial role of the Roman Catholic Church.  I fully understand the
magisterial teaching on homosexuality.  However, I reject it as
inappropriate and inconsistent with my lived experiences and return
this magisterial teaching to the Church.  On the basis of my formed
conscience, I declare that, to me, the tendency toward homosexuality is
not a moral or objective disorder.  Moreover, the proper exercise of
ones God-given sexuality is loving, life giving and life affirming.

(That last paragraph is my "official" statement which, according to
moral theology and canon law, puts my personal conscience as the best
moral guide, and not the magisterial teaching of the Church.  The
process of forming an informed conscience which cannot be superceded by
Church teaching has been a fundamental element of the Church for many
centuries.)

Regards!
Tere
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Terence P. Ma, Ph.D.		Department of Anatomy
VOICE:	   601-984-1654		University of Mississippi Med. Ctr.
FAX:	   601-984-1655		2500 North State Street
INTERNET:  tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU	Jackson, MS 39216-4505

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