HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: alt.inappropriate.followup
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:31:13 GMT

tim@crash.canon.co.uk writes:
: When you followup, have you ever been struck by that "I wonder is this
: an *appropriate* followup feeling?" For example, you're reading
: alt.good.news, you hit f/F, and then you wonder "does my followup
: really contain enough GoodNews for the readers of alt.good.news?" If
: you have ever experienceed this feeling, then take heed, for I have the
: solution.  You simply xpost your followup to alt.inappropriate.followup
: as well. In fact, I can see alt.inappropriate.followup being the root
: of a whole modality hierarchy, eg:
: 
: alt.inappropriate.followup.probably
: alt.inappropriate.followup.maybe
: alt.inappropriate.followup.well.mom.says.it.is
: 
: People not wishing to read inappropriate followups can then simply kill
: anything xposted to alt.inappropriate.followup.*.
: 
: If there are no serious objections to the alt.inappropriate.followup
: hierarchy, I will send out newgrps on the next blue moon.

Right on.  I think this is a great idea.  The denizens of talk.bizarre should
be aware of this, so they can knowingly refuse to use it, instead of just
failing to use it through ignorance, which is no fun at all.

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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Alt.feminism
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:44:17 GMT
Reply-To: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

-> In article <6303@ucru2.ucr.edu>, starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (aaron greenwood) w
-> 
-> > In article <1992Aug17.214630.5682@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbi
-> >>In article <4855@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:
-> 
-> >>>Alt.feminism is an unmoderated group for the discussion of feminism and
-> >>>issues relating to feminism.
-> 
-> >>   I, for one, am against it. In brief, I don't see how this group would be
-> >>any more than Yet Another Flamewar Group. With s.men and s.women, and also
-> >>talk.rape and talk.abortion, I don't see the need for alt.feminism. It 
-> >>seems to me that a.f will have pretty much an overlapping content with thes
-> >>groups and others. What aspect of the content of alt.feminism will be
-> >>different from these groups?
-> 
-> Soc.men is trying to focus on men's issues and the men's movement.  For the
-> most part, the men's movement is not about feminism.  However, there is
-> no group on the net that one can debate the pros and cons of feminism and
-> so the debate ends up in soc.men.  I can understand the annoyance of the
-> readers of soc.men when this (and the talk.abortion) stuff ends up there.

I thought that soc.feminism would handle the topics expressed in this. Do
we really need an Alt.feminism AND soc.feminism?


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From: mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:45:44 GMT
Organization: UNIX Centre, ICL, Bracknell, UK

In article <1992Aug21.121909.3610@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>Has any one heard enough legitimate reasons against this group not to
>create it?  If not, I would like to suggest that someone go ahead and
>create it and let folks go ahead and use it.

I don't recal any strong reasons being aired against it.  If there are
none over the week-end I would be happy to create the group on say
Monday or Tuesday if no-one else has.   If anyone feels a poll of interest
is needed please say so (there has certainly been some interest but I
am not the person who originally asked for input on the group creation
so I don't know how many lurkers responded.  I do know of other people
here who might well be interested in participating.)

-Malcolm
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: karl@ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer)
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:48:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.091736.42353@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>In <4721@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>> Is alt.sewing supposed to be aliased to rec.crafts.textiles?
>
>No.  I see no reason why the two groups can't co-exist.

Let's ask the other way around, then.  Do you see any reason why I *shouldn't*
alias them?  It does make things simpler for the users if they can read one
group rather than two identically-chartered ones, after all.

Karl Heuer   karl@ima.isc.com   uunet!ima!karl
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.good.news
From: gritzner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Thomas F. Gritzner)
Subject: Re: alt.inappropriate.followup
Originator: gritzner@sunbroy28.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Apparent-Newsgroups: alt.good.news.d
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:46:11 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.225512.10877@canon.co.uk>,tim@crash.canon.co.uk phantasizes:
|> If there are no serious objections to the alt.inappropriate.followup
|> hierarchy, I will send out newgrps on the next blue moon.
|> 
|> Tx. [problem solved]

Isn't that an inappropriate followup or crossposting either? Even if this would be
a real suggestion, why do you not recommend just unsubscribing these 'froups?
(Well, this would lead to crossposts since posters always want to be noticed :-(!)
Is your knowledge about UseNet that poor?

So, would you mind sending such inane posts as this one of yours to one of the
following 'froups to be generated (and kept up alive by Bruce Becker :-()

... alt.inappropriate.followup.meta
... alt.inappropriate.crossposts

or just to a (this time very senseful and very seriously suggested) 'froup like

... alt.good.news.d

since you all don't like posts employing which posts are real good news and which
are not.

Sue me. The last suggestion was the good news; if you don't feel so, let's see
us again in ``alt.good.news.d''.

Cheers!
--
		Thomas F. Gritzner
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:43:08 GMT

In <16848858F.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.041052.20982@bradley.bradley.edu>
>pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>>>I really can't answer your question the way you want me to cuz I don't know
>>>enuf about raves. And the more I learn, the less I want to know.
>>That's fine, but why be a snob and effectively "take your ball and go
>>away"?  There is plenty of bandwidth in alt.rave to discuss techno
>>*without* any content about "rave" per se.

[ pompous techno is better than >sneer< rave crap deleted ]

>In any event, why think of alt.music.techno as "taking my ball and going"?

Because it's clearly what you want.  "If you want to play with me,
you have to come to *my* sandbox."

>Think of it more as a group that you could monitor to get more
>pure techno music information--a group that will bring greater visibility
>to matters of interest to ravers, and contribute to the rave cause by it's
>mere existence.

I already monitor far more groups than I really have time for.  I don't
care about "pure techno music information"--I am just interested in things
about styles of music that interest me--I don't want to have to read
alt.music.orb, alt.music.derrick-may, alt.music.future-s-o-london,
alt.music.hard-techno, alt.music.trancey, and alt.music.deep-house
just to keep up with things I might want to listen to.

>If you don't like our seperatist attitude, then you can just stay the
>heck out of our group! ;-)

If you can't see what stupidity it is to have this kind of attitude problem,
I don't see why you need a group.  This "possessiveness" about Usenet
groups is utterly ludicrous, since NO ONE owns a newsgroup.  I could
simply crosspost everything I post to alt.rave to alt.music.techno,
and there's really nothing you can do about it (this is a for-instance,
not a threat--I wouldn't bother).  The point being--just because you think
you can create your own special sandbox to meet your exclusive tastes
doesn't mean you'll succeed.  People most likely *will* talk about rave
in alt.music.techno, and information that *just might* fit your tastes
most likely *will* get posted to alt.rave, and you'll miss it if you can't
be bothered to use your brain instead of your newsgroup name to filter the
info.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: one last alt.music.techno argument before we die
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:09:13 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

Senoir Crawford's letter:

>I can see why you want the new group but I'd never step
>into a discussion about a group I wouldn't read myself.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So I don't feel I can reasonably try to influence
>people for/against a group that really wouldn't interest me anyway. Sorry
>about that.        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   

EIVERSO's blabbing:

>What it shows me is a person who is interested in techno and a major poster,
>but he is turned off by the kind of techno and other subjects discussed in
>alt rave. He is so turned off by alt.rave, that he will forego his interest
>in classic techno and not even bother to debate the matter.
>*THIS* is precisely the kind of person who would have a home in
>alt.music.techno.

You really are the most clueless person I've encountered in a long time.

>I cannot see engaing in a newgroup-rmgroup war with a couple of irate
>news admins.

More accusations.

>I guess I have to wait until techno is no longer popular at raves, or until
>rave goes out of fashion, whichever comes first.

We certainly won't post to rec.music.industrial or alt.rave in the meantime
will we?  In other words, "I didn't get my group, so LURKER MODE ON."

>See you here again in about a year!

We'll be waiting.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: karl@ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:17:53 GMT

In article <Bt8oCx.9JF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
>axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:
>It seems that people always voice objection to new alt.* groups when someone
>asks about them in alt.config, but go happily along with new groups when
>their creator makes them w/o asking.

On the contrary, what I observe is that whenever someone creates a newsgroup
without first mentioning it in alt.config, it's followed by flames and often
a rmgroup war.  (Especially if the name was not well thought out.)

Also, there are those news admins who have adopted the policy of not
creating groups that are created "suddenly".  So if the goal is to get a
good distribution for your favorite topic, I would say that following the
altnet guidelines is a better strategy.

Note that this cannot make it any harder for the group to get started,
because you can always create the group after the discussion, even if it's
negative.  The hope is that, if there *are* some valid flaws, the group's
champion will adjust the proposal accordingly.

Karl Heuer   karl@ima.isc.com   uunet!ima!karl
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:49:33 GMT
Organization: Vpnet Public Access

In article <92223.220847JIM@auvm.american.edu> jim@american.edu (Jim McIntosh) writes:
>
>ENOUGH!!!! Both of you cut it out right now! I'm getting tired of the
>newgroup and rmgroup control message war! Jef, this is alt. If he wants
>to create the group, let him create it. Stop playing net.god. 

    This will do no good.  I've already written to the Admin of the
    site Jef posts from (netcom?) who told me he'd do nothing about it.
    I guess we merely have to put up with these child-like antics until
    their instigator matures.

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.pictures.d,alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: RFD: alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless.d
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:26:16 GMT

[Please note that followups are directed to alt.config]

Some people seem to think that tasteless discussion of pictures, or
discussion of tasteless pictures in alt.binaries.pictures.d wouldn't
be well received.  However, I've never seen a discussion thread
actually be generated in a.b.p.d which would support this assertion.

Be that as it may, I am calling for someone to newgroup

    alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless.d	Discussion of tasteless pictures
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.mult-sclerosis, where are you?
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:20:58 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <7y5mmgf@lynx.unm.edu>, jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann) writes:
> OK, I tried to newgroup it, but apparently failed, and my news admin is
> not answering my mail.

A newgroup has been sent for alt.support.mult-sclerosis.  Look for it
at a site near you soon.
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Subject: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:52:22 GMT

In article <168459DB0.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> 
>I do seem merit in the idea of changing alt.rave to rec.music.techno,
>but I suspect that that would face more dissention than simply starting
>an alt.music.techno group, and it certainly would take more work on the
>part of yours truly to go through the motions of creating a rec group.
> 
>--Eric

I think it would be well worth it.  Does anyone remember the arguement
in r.m.i 6 or 8 months ago during/after the inception of alt.rave?

There were many readers out there who wanted the techno discussion to
continue in r.m.i bacause their site didn't carry alt.*   They rightfully
predicted the creation of an alt group would move the discussion out
of their reach.

Now, if there is a movement for a new techno group, lets take the momentum
and do something useful.  The creation of another alt group will merely
divide the readership and cause much unnecessary cross posting.  The
creation of rec.music.techno however, would bring many more interested/ing
readers/posters into our midst.

If industrial rates a rec. group, I would say that techno rates one also.
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.oobe,alt.consciousness
From: probst@fraser.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.173411.1570@cs.wisc.edu> cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer) writes:
>
>I think existing newsgroups are perfectly reasonable choices. I can't see the
>need to split a group that only gets 10 postings a day. It's not like you have
>to wade through hundreds of messages to find the OOBE ones, and OOBE seems to
>fit well enough under a "paranormal" classification. I'm voting for E.

i agree.>
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.190523.23888@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa) writes:
 
>In article <16843E6A8.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>Well, how about it?
>
>Have you read alt.rave?  It includes lots of discussion of music, postings
>of rave flyers, reviews of performances, raves, records, and compilations.
>It might be just what you've been looking for.
 
Thanks but I don't like rave. I like techno. Lots of others are in the
same boat, I'm afraid.
 
--Eric
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:17:36 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <4721@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
> Is alt.sewing supposed to be aliased to rec.crafts.textiles?  Enquiring
> minds, etc, want to know.

No.  I see no reason why the two groups can't co-exist.
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:56:45 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Aug12.222848.17211@midway.uchicago.edu>,
 elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>>Excuse me, but I created alt.sewing, and participated in the move to
>>rec.crafts.textiles.  The groups have identical charters.  Trust me.
> 
> Somebody needs to be clearer about creating lines for the "newsgroups"
> file, then:
> 
>   alt.sewing              Working with needle and thread.
>   rec.crafts.textiles     Sewing, weaving, knitting and other fiber arts.

Spaf made up the "Working with needle and thread", not me.  The
alt.sewing group was always intended to include everything related to
sewing including fabric making (weaving) and knitting and such. There
were quite a few weaving and loom discussions on the group before
rec.crafts.textiles was even thought of.
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.tv.talk, alt.tv.mtv
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:58:35 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France

In article <Aug.16.18.47.56.1992.19798@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
> alt.tv.mtv is alright, but an alt.tv.vh1 must be included if you are
> going to have discussions on the video music industry.  While I do
> remember MTV in its glory days, I can only watch VH-1 now.  There is
> an age and style difference between the two channels.

A group alt.tv.mtv would probably be split up in two fractions where the
Americans talk about MTV America and the Europeans talk about MTV Europe
(which is something completely different).  I don't know if this is good
or bad... 

- chris@kuling.docs.uu.se
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.uu.future
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:17:11 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu writes:
> Yet, posting them
> to a group such as alt.folklore.urban, which really doesn't seem to be all
> that interested in discussing old-fashioned folklore, didn't seem like a
> good idea, 

     Look at the newsgroup name again.  That should tell you why.

> Hence, I'm
> suggesting alt.folklore.ghost-stories to provide an appropriate newsgroup
> for such messages and for those people who like ghost stories and want to
> discuss and share them.

     Probably a good idea.  There doesn't seem to be a place to swap
and discuss ghost stories.  Count one in favor.
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