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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt-x8236)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Metheny and marching
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:27:10 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <92203.114629MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.195425.23077@hubcap.clemson.edu>
>rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>Absolutely.
> 
>>Unfortunately, many do consider them so.  Listen to Pat Metheny's First
>>Circle.  The first track is his impression of the sound of a marching
>>organization.
> 
>Au contraire, mes amis.  I'm afraid I'd have to side with Metheny on this
>one.  The first track on First Circle is not his impression of the sound
>of a marching band...it is his impression of the sound of a BAD marching
>band, of which we all know there is no shortage.  I find the piece, titled
>*Forward March*, to be a load of laughs.  Some of the musical miscues that
>are featured in the piece are so typical of the mistakes made by novice
>musicians (and are so convincingly simulated here) that you'd almost think
>that you were listening to a bunch of novices.

"Forward March" is a parody of a middle-school band. It's really great. If you
listen to this, you'd realize that this group doesn't have a prayer of
marching while "playing" (unless they need some extra percussion sounds :-).
The UHN (Unplayably High Note) is pretty good, but I really like the keyboard
section after that (it's really the pits). How many distinct mistakes can you
isolate?

This has got to be the worst thing that anyone has ever intentionally put on a
CD. That's interesting, since I have often felt that the title track is one of
the finest things that's ever been recorded on CD.

XXoXoXXoXoXoXXoXXoXoXo ...

>Mike Hughes

--phil
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Subject: SCV in 1981 
From: fath1@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:24:08 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>
>Pete Ohno
>SCV '81, EUPH Platoon
>
So, you marched with SCV when they won DCI!  Congrats!  If you get a chance,
tell us about it.  It must have been incredible.

Michael


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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Judging
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:09:16 GMT
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.

In article <15578@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:
>While reading the recent net discussion on competitiveness, I noticed 
>a couple of references to judging that deserve further comment.  
>In a description of Star's climb to the top, it was implied that 
>that the judges weren't going to let a newcommer win the championships
>without first proving themselves (sorry to omit an exact quote - I'm sort
>of paraphrasing from more than one posting).  I got the feeling that the
>writer was saying that until a corps places consistently high over the
>years, the judges will prevent them from winning.
>Does this imply that judges,
>while determining the score for a particular performance, consider
>the "political" impact of who will become the DCI champions?
>
>I'm not trying to make a point about who should or should not have won
>first place in any given year.  I'm just wondering what others think
>about judging "inertia".  
>
>The judges ought not to have any policies that are unknown to the public.
>
>Tom Matthews

OK, IMO (and I'm biased by the instructors I had) that a corps _could not_
walk in during their debut year as a corps and take finals.  Yes, this is a
sweeping statement, but to some extent I think it's true.  Not to mention it
would be hard to do anyway....



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fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Defending Star's honor (Re: Star ARRRGGGHH!!!)
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.142534.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
 [Tons of Star BS deleted....]

>IRC nick-BlueDevil


Nick, hear me out...

  First of all, Star musicians are good.  I'm not going to test that point.
And I'm not implying (for anyone whos confused) that Star bought off judges
for titles, etc.  My discussion of the $$ issue is a simple one.  The finest
musicians would be lured to Star from the Devils, SCV, a still money-troubled
Garfield because Star can unconditionally guarantee class coaches, stops, food
etc.  (For those who don't understand, look at 27 the year they folded.  
[Which was, by no conincidence, bailed out by Mr. Cook of Star] The kids
were good, but their coaches constantly broke down, etc.  It was these off-
the-field exploints that caused the corps to sink.)

Now your point about Star only winning 1 title in 6 years.  How many corps
could go from nowhere to finals in their debut season?  The reason
they haven't won more is because there is no way, no matter how good Star
was, judges were going to let a newcomer walk in and take finals like a piece
of candy from a baby.  No way.  Debate me if you want.  If you please- they
had to earn their respect.  And they have over the past couple of years.

Anyway, I'm tired of discussing Star.  Don't like em' (although their
1987 show was nice....)  Nuff said..


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
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Subject: Re:  Rolly Foot
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:14:30 EDT
Return-Receipt-To: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Status: R

hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall) wrote:
Subject: Re: Rolly Foot
 
>In article <1992Jul28.062207.5193@polari> cdoser@polari.online.com writes:
>>  I marched in corps in the '70s, then taught in the early to mid
>>  '80s. I came back to the activity in '90, and no-one could answe
>>   this question:
>>      Where did this super rolly foot walk come from, who started it
>>      what purpose does it serve?
>
>My instructors always harped on rolling the foot from heel to toe while
>marching, to keep your upper body smooth and level.  Also, it looks nice
>or the entire corps to have a consistent marching style.  But boy was I
>surprised when I saw my first East Coast corps (North Star) - those guys
>were so exagerated that they looked as if they were pedalling a bicycle
>when they marched.  Our rolling was much more subdued.
 
>Don't get me wrong - I've come to appreciate that SUPER-rolling style
>of marching.  Not for me, but I like to watch it.
>
>Kelly Hall  == hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
Gee, the only thing I remembered North Star doing different
from the Anaheim Kingsmen was that N. S. pointed their toes
while marking time.  We never particularly worked on rolling
our feet.  In fact, North Star spent *very* little time on
basics in the summer (A. K. was spending an hour a day, even
in August--lots of good it did us :-( ! ).
Vince

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From: nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM (Bill Nielsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Omaha Scores
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:26:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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Omaha, Nebraska	 July 20, 1992

8. Railmen		60.8
7. Alliegence Ellite	62.9
6. Black Gold		65.7
5. Troopers		66.6
4. Mauraders		70.4
3. Blue Knights		82.2
2. Vanguard		83.3
1. Blue Devils		87.0

No Captions Given

Next Show

Tuesday: Burlington, Iowa


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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Oldtimer new to network
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:46:20 GMT

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>That, and another tune: "Spirit of the Bull," (or the Spanish equivalent).
>Our high school band played an arrangement of that one for years.  Weren't
>they DQ'ed for an age violation around that same time period ('75?)?

Not only were they disqualified, but they were favored to come on late
in the season and take the championship.  (Although a lot of Madison
fans would disagree with that statement.)

One of my friends has a "best of the disqualified corps" tape with: '75
Muchachos, '76 Crossmen, '77 Bridgemen, and '84 Les Eclipses. All of
which were DQ'ed at nationals.

Later,
Bob

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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Old Corps...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:14:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.102717.2147@u.washington.edu>, alfalfa@first.cac.washington.edu (Corey Lawson) writes:
> 
> Oh...while we are going down Memory Lane...When we lived in Arvada, CO  
> (from 1973 to 1980) there was a Corps that practiced at Fitzmorris Park.
> Anyone know of this corps?  (OH...Arvada is a Denver 'burb).
> 
> -Corey Lawson
> alfalfa@last.cac.washington.edu

I'm not sure, but it may have been the Eldoradans.  I don't know too much about
this period of drum corps, that's just my guess.

					Charles Holt
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Preview of Champions comment
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:11:32 GMT


There was one more thing I wanted to say about the POC results.
It's not clear to me that just because Star won POC that they
are likely to win at Finals this year.  The scores look pretty
close to me (top 5 or 6 within 3 points).  Unless you believe in
a DCI conspiracy theory, it's hard to say for certain who will
win this year.

I personally am surprised at how high BD placed.

-- Donald
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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: Latest Drum Corps World, Net Get-together
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.084637.14156@husc3.harvard.edu>, fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
> I was thinking more along the lines of meeting more than 1/2 hour
> before the show.  For example, if semi-finals starts at 3 p.m., having
> us meet at a common, well-defined spot at say noon and going out to get
> lunch as a group.  Do people prefer to go before semis (which should
> start at 3 p.m.)  or Finals (which should start around 6 p.m.).

I'd like to join the net-get together but how about around 1-1:30
before semis?  (my plane lands at 10:30 in Milwaukee)

Tom
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Subject: Concert Band Music for Drum Corps
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:42:42 EDT
Return-Receipt-To: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
To: fath1@husc
X-Mts-Userid: 0HRR
Status: RO
Originator: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu

Here is a thread that was promising but got swamped out by dead corps
reminiscences.
 
One piece I always thought would be good for drum corps was Giovaninni's
"Overture in B flat".  Of course, for corps, it would become "Overture
in G" :-) !  It would make a killer off the line, especially for a corps
that can play LOUD!  Giovaninni was the composer of "Fanfare for a New
Era"  SCV's Opener in 1977-1978.  Rumor was that he was not happy about it
and threatened to sue, claiming copyright infringement.  Anyone ever heard
about this?
 
Vince

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Subject: Re: Net Get Together
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:35:03 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City



I think that meeting at the BOTTOM of the aisle on the 50 yard line would be a
bad place to meet.  If there are more than a few people at the meeting, it
would be very inconvienent for us and the fans around us.  Maybe up at the top
of the aisle, like out in the concourse area.  I've never been to Camp Randall,
but anywhere that would be out of the way of the fans and a bit more open would
be superior.

Meeting is a great idea though and I look forward to seeing the Drum Corps
World staff (especially the Fath-miester) and the rest of the net.

See ya in Madison

IRC nick-BlueDevil
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bridgemen
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:55:14 GMT
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.

In article <1992Jul23.145208.8041@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> jpm@jareth.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>When the Bridgemen were DQ'd in '77 there was a long-running rumor that it was
>people from Phantom who had ratted them out. Then there was supposedly a "feud"
>between the two corps for years. Does anyone know the whole story?
>
>I heard it off and on for years and thought it might have just become a
>drum corps "urban myth."  
>
>Jim Mac


How about SCV 1989 when they won.  They had two people (a snare and someone
else) who came over from Europe apparantly with fade ID's and the works. 
Somehow, they were found out and kicked out in the weeks before finals.
DCI actually met later to decide if SCV should've had their title removed,
but didn't because the offenders didn't march ion finals.

-- 
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DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Oldtimer new to network
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:52:01 GMT
Followup-To: 1003 (Rocky Mountain Magic)
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I remember Rocky Mountain Magic of 1987!  They had a "gambling" theme.  I think
they played "Luck be a Lady" or whatever that song is called.  They also had
a horserace in the middle of the show.  

Anybody remember the California Dons?  They did "Carmen" long before SCV did.

Tom Matthews
From: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: POC scores
Date: 29 Jul 1992 15:50:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: m-5

I missed the POC scores from this last weekend. Could somebody 
please send them to me? 

Thanks in advance,

Mick
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: posting to this newsgroup
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:32:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



   If anyone can see this posting, please, please contact me
either as a follow up or by e-mail.  I can't seem to get
through to any newsgroups.

   This is being posted on July 29, 10:36 AM, EST

If you would be so kind to reply please include the date and
time you are reading this.  Thank you.


Email     dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu
From: jpm@jareth.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Bridgemen
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:47:37 GMT
Organization: DEC


When the Bridgemen were DQ'd in '77 there was a long-running rumor that it was
people from Phantom who had ratted them out. Then there was supposedly a "feud"
between the two corps for years. Does anyone know the whole story?

I heard it off and on for years and thought it might have just become a
drum corps "urban myth."  

Jim Mac
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drills and Drillwriting
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:06:52 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

DER107@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> I probably took this followup a little further than the original poster
> intended. Any one else want to give their analysis of the other big visual
> corps, and why they do what they do? Or anyone who worked under Zingali?
> 
> -Doug Rank
> 1991 Cadets of Bergen County

Well, no, I didn't work under Zingali, but I did actually get to meet him.
I remember standing in the stands at Miami to watch Garfield's encore.....
One would have thought that he'd seen enough... but the man was absolutely
orgasmic over every move in the show.  Most amazing!  Was he so in love
with his own work, or was he deeply mired in appreciation for Garfield's
execution?  Perhaps someone from that era that actually worked with him
knows...


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From: stevenj@athena.mit.edu (Steven G Johnson)
Subject: Glassmen and Net Get-Together
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:16:19 GMT

I was surprised by the 13th place finish for the Glassmen at POC.
They have consistently beaten the Bluecoats this year.  What
happened in Nashville?  How have they been doing since POC?
Did the Bluecoats improve that much in the few days before POC?
Are DCI politics at work here?

Regarding the net get-together in Madison,  I feel that we should
meet somewhere around 3 PM on Friday and go out for lunch/dinner.
I don't think that the stadium will be open at that hour, so perhaps
we can meet either in the Expo (DCW booth) or in the souvie area outside.
I recall that the souvie area is in a separate fenced-in area from
the stadium proper, and should be open by 3 PM.  We could meet at
either the DCI table or one of the corps stands (any suggestions?).

Glenn Johnson
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu (Jay Glover)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Show Results Winston Salem NC
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:50:48 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <3f2503Nm4aOK00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
> 
> Show Results Winston Salem NC
> 29 July 1992
> 1	91.7	Star of Indiana
> 2	87.1	Santa Clara Vanguad
> 3	86.5	Crossmen

[...]

> Ed:  Watch out SCV is making a move
>      or is it Star peaking early
>      or Neil halucinating
>      take your pick ;-)

It's definately Neil hallucinating.   :-)
Be careful, Neil.  From where I'm sitting, it looks like Crossmen
is making a move on SCV.

 - jay g.
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From: sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
Subject: Scores from Centerville, OH (and mini-review)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:50:34 GMT
Reply-To: sharonc@meaddata.com
Distribution: na

Scores from Summer Music Games show "Soaring Sounds 1992",
Centerville, OH, July 22, 1992:

1. Cavaliers       85.5
2. Crossmen        81.3
3. Glassmen        76.0
4. Velvet Knights  75.0
5. Bluecoats       71.5
6. Dutch Boy       66.7
7. Limited Edition 55.4

The shocker of the night was the sixth place finish of Dutch
Boy. I had them third in my ranking. Lots of shocked gasps from
the crowd when it was announced. But there's always one big
surprise at a Centerville show.

Mini-review (and what I scored for them - I came damn close!).
I haven't been reading alt.drumcorps much because I've been too
busy here at work, so I have no idea what other reviewers are
saying (which lets me be more impartial, I guess :-):

Limited Edition has to get more horns and a better colorguard.
'Nuff said about them. (56.0)

Bluecoats - nice show, love the darker blue uniforms. Nice horn
line, good drums, but a colorguard that goes nowhere. What in the
world are they doing with those candy canes for a WHOLE SONG anyway?
(70.0)

VK - Loved this show! Lots of fun, much better than last year's
"serious" show. I think they're marching very well this year and
they've brought the fun back. The group that I was with had never
seen a VK show live - they loved it! (75.0)

Glassmen - Boy have they improved since last year! Their colorguard
looked quite sharp, even if those purple blobby dresses are ugly (IMHO).
We were sitting next to a couple who's daughter was in the guard.
They are on a roll - this was the second night in a row that they
beat out VK for 3rd place. Loved their retreat - they were having so
much fun playing "I'm Just a Gigolo". (78.0)

Dutch Boy - Again, everybody was shocked at their low finish. I thought
they did a great job and scored them really high. I liked their
music line, it blended together extremely well and had some great high
points. Their drum line also kicked *ss last night. Oh well. (82.0)

Cavaliers - Fantastic show! Lots of high GE, great marching and horns.
But I was disappointed in their rifle line - they looked tired and
their toss lines were what I call "ragged" (i.e. when they did a high
toss some rifles were much higher in the air than others, others were
lower, and it was scattered throughout the line so I don't think it
was on purpose). (88.0)

Crossmen - Nice show, good marching, nice horn line, good colorguard,
technically equivalent to Cavalier's but not as exciting a show. (87.0)

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Subject: SCV percussion (was Re: DATR)
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 11:34:32 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <DRAPEAU.92Jul19042235@oglala.Stanford.EDU>,
drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) says:
>
>
>'86: beautiful use of the tenors (they added a little 8-inch "spocker" drum
>on the front for kick accents), best evidenced in the
>semi-percussion-solo "Limoges" (horns play througout, but percussion
>is featured).  Beautiful writing all across the sections.  The
>integration of the drumline was the incredible thing; a lot of phrases
>would start in one section of the battery and finish in another, all
>so smoothly.  I liked the '86 drum book better than the '85 book
>(except for the '86 opener, Festive Overture redux).  Also: first year
>the snares marched with the scotty heads.
 
I concur, however a minor correction: SCV was the testbed for Remo Falams
*Scotty* heads in 1987.  They still marched plastic heads in '86.
 
>I'm just trying to give you a feeling about what I've heard from
>Ralph's writing over the last few years.  These examples are poor on
>detail, I know, but maybe they'll inspire you to listen to the shows
>(again, maybe) and check out Ralph's writing.  I think it'll make you
>appreciate BK's show this year even more.  I know that knowing some of
>Ralph's writing style really helped me appreciate BK's drumline.
>
>Nobody else in drumcorps could have written the book BK has this year.
>Only Ralph could do such a musical job and still satisfy drum corps
>junkies.  Does that make sense?  I think that the SCV '87 show is the
>best example of this, by the way.
>
 
Once again, I couldn't agree more.  Ralph is the most musical percussion
arranger in drum corps today, with Bob Dubinski bringing up 2nd (IMHO).
I especially concur with the assessment of the '87 SCV line...definitely
one of their best ever, and that goes for that horn line, too.
 
I wonder how much talent Ralph pulls in from the West coast into BK.
 
Mike Hughes
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