From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush on Abortion (was Another good reason not to vote for Bush)
Date: 13 Aug 1992 23:10:57 GMT
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EMIL CHUCK) writes:
|> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> :eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
|> :|> (Michael Polen) writes:
|> :|> :1	No parlimentary *tricks* were used to prevent the vote by the
|> :|> :	platform committee.
|> :|> :
|> :|> :2	Bush makes an exception, but the platform does not.
|> :|> :
|> :|> :3	Bush says he supports the platform as is, although it is stronger
|> :|> :	than his own beliefs
|> :|> :
|> :|> :4	Bush has a different standard for his family than for your family.
|> :|> 
|> :|> Oh, so you're against government dictating the moral standards for
|> :|> individuals, but cry hypocrisy if government dictates uniform standards
|> :|> for families? And you can't concede that perhaps George Bash [sic] loves
|> :|> his family? If you say he should also love yours, why do you want some
|> :|> stranger who works in the government -- much less the government itself
|> :|> -- to love and take care of your family?
|> :You are reading something I didn't write or smoking something on the
|> :controlled substance list.  My comments were on the marked statements.
|> 	I hope I have edited the remarks correctly above. (Don't tell
|> anyone I'm currently high on laserprinter fluid! :) )
|> 
|> :Frankly, I believe the government should avoid religious and moral
|> :issues where possible.  The reasons behind choice is one of those areas.
|> :The individual makes a decision for/against an abortion based upon 
|> :religious, personal, financial, marital issues.  Your decision is
|> :not my problem and vice-versa.
|> 	I understand that. But morality doesn't just switch on and off
|> from one occasion to the next. If this unplanned pregnancy happened to a
|> married couple, why weren't precautions taken, and did you understand
|> the risks of becoming pregnant? Are you ready to handle taking care of
|> children should the unplanned occur? If this pregnancy happened to an
|> unmarried couple, same questions. Abortion is an issue about sexuality
|> and responsibility first and foremost because without sex and pregnancy,
|> an abortion cannot be performed. And this responsibility involves
|> morals and choices (which is why I am pro-choice in this manner). And
|> one cannot live 98% of his/her life along his/her morals and lapse the
|> remaining 2% without getting into trouble and risking his/her own life.
|> 	If someone chooses to live immorally,
|> fine; it's his/her life. But having me pay for the mistakes he/she made
|> becomes my problem. In other words, if someone is going to get
|> completely wasted (either drunk or coked-out), fine; but if he doesn't
|> have any insurance to take care of emergency room bills, or if he
|> goes out driving and kills someone while high, it's a societal problem.
|> Not only in a personal trauma, but society must pay for the bills to
|> bring him to justice and incarcerate him or put him on drug rehab.
|> What you probably think is a personal decision does have major
|> ramifications across all of society, even if the effects aren't
|> obvious.

What the hell does one person's definition of morality have to do with
this?  You act like there is only one definition of morality, one 
definition of when life begins, one definition of how to be a "good"
person.

This whole discussion is not about abortion or religion or life.  It is
about the fact that we don't all believe or think the same way.  Get
out of my life, my mind, and my decisions.  I don't care what decision
you make about issues like this as they affect you.  Stop worrying
about my morality.
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