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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Nixpub meaning
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:14:51 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>It says UNIX.  If it doesn't say UNIX, it should not be included
>in the list.   Real UNIX is UNIX, not some variation.  If it doesn't
>have the AT&T/USL Copyright, then I guess it isn't UNIX.

Well, in my opinion, sites which offer ONLY *bbs* access, should not
be in the NIXPUB list.  After all, what does it matter what OS the system
is running if it only allows BBS access?  There are lots of systems running
various OS's that offer BBS access!

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:49:37 GMT

In article <n#hn_h=.teddybur@netcom.com> teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger) writes:
>I suggest to all site news administrators that your posts be put into a
>news kill file and not be posted henceforth on any system that receives the
>news.
>
	So what..are we lowering ourselves to his level now??

Marc
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From: DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU (Finagle, etc. Durflinger,Edward M)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: MIZZOU, ILLINIOS BBS USERS: HELP FIND MISSING PERSON!
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:07:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


__________________________________
	Please read the following article and post it to any Illinois, 
Missouri and Iowa BBS's that you have access to. A body that may or may not 
belong to Tammy Zywicky or someone else taken by her abductor was 
discovered near Springfield yesterday. The sooner information about this is 
distrubuted, the better the chance of getting Tammy back and catching her 
abductor.
	Please help. Thank you,
--durfling@ac.grin.edu
_________________________________________________________
WE NEED YOUR HELP.
	
	We are friends of Tammy Zywicki, a Grinnell College Senior who 
disappeared Sunday, August 23, around 1:00 pm.  Tammy was travelling from 
Chicago to Grinnell, Iowa, on Interstate 80 when apparently she experienced 
car trouble and stopped at the side of the road somewhere near La Salle, 
Illinois.  She was last seen at her car being assisted by a person or 
persons and a semi trailer was parked ahead of her car.

	When Tammy left Chicago, she was wearing dark shorts and a white 
T-shirt with the word "PRIVATE'" (accent over the 'E') printed on it.  
She is 5'2", 120 lbs, blond hair, green eyes, b. 3-13-71, and was wearing 
contact lenses.

	Recently a body of a woman resembling Tammy but with auburn hair 
was found in a ditch close to Springfield, MO.  Authorities have not 
confirmed the identity of this woman as Tammy, but it is know that she was 
wearing clothing that Tammy was also known to wear. If this woman is not 
Tammy, she could be the victim of a serial killer that also was involved in 
Tammy's disappearance.

	You can help Tammy and us by distributing this information as 
widely as possible. If anyone has any information about either of these 
cases, you may either email me at DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU or call the Illinois 
Police Department at (815)224-1150. 

cc:  Durflinger,Edward M
 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:23:43 GMT

slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>> Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year
>> (of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
>> machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?

>        What's wrong with Coherant in the list.  Sure, DOS, OS/2 and others 
>shouldn't completed, that's not UNIX or UNIX compatible.  Coherant is a UNIX 
>compatible OS.

Well, QNX now is posix compatible and will compile posix compatible
UNIX code, so maybe it should be included as well?

How about UNIX shells for DOS?  These are Unix compatible -- and maybe
they should be included as well.


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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:59:47 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>>Yes, programs like UFGATE can get net messages into TBBS and many other
>>systems -- but at what cost?

...

>The key issue which Chris fails to acknowledge is that TBBS multiline
>needs to be brought down to single user mode to process incoming email/news
>using gate software -- then tossing and scanning into the TBBS message
>base.  So, a 16 line system must be brought down to a halt while the gating
>is done -- while a UNIX machine can process all of the news in the background -
>and I would think that there would be other DOS based BBS software which could
>handle the gating in the background as well -- all though I would doubt that
>this software could support more than 4 lines under DOS.  Plus, like

I would say it's more useful to think of this as the difference
between running a telecom host under a multi-line/single-tasking OS
or under a multi-line/multi-tasking OS. It's not just the difference 
between DOS and UNIX. 

Further, it's the difference between whether you want to have your
host online 24 hours out of 24 hours or some part thereof where you
perform administrative tasks of any nature. With a
multi-line/multi-tasking system you can all of it. 

Of course it costs me or set up, and takes more time to learn as it
is more complex, but somepeople feel it's worth the investment due
to the increased service it can provide. 

Dave

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:55:56 GMT

erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:

>I was
>brought up thinking how nice it would be to share everything and learn from
>other people.

In other words, you just like to leech off the goodwill of others, who
foot the bills of the systems they run.

For instance, I run a several-node UNIX system directly connected to the
Internet. It costs me close to $500 per month to operate. While I like to
"share" as much as the next guy, sorry, I can't "share" $6k of my salary
per year so you can get a hard-on reading alt.binaries.erotica.etc.


MD
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:58:52 GMT

rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
>In article <Btqzrt.6y5@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
>>keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

>a couple of spare terminals.  If you don't know anything about Unix,
>please don't post about it.

Are you new to the net?  :-)


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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS limitations
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:13:59 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON) writes:
>>Is it possible to run TBBS under OS/2 ? If so, this would be quite handy 
>>wouldn't it?

>Nope.  TBBS Is to limited - and only supports DOS..

Geez, you've just been just a fount of wrong information about TBBS.
No editor, no quoting, and now this.  It does run under OS/2, I've
done it.  There's no native OS/2 version, obviously, but TBBS most
certainly runs under OS/2, meaning it doesn't monopolize the machine.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:14:56 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> 
> >Coherent is a multi-user multitasking OS that, by all accounts, bears more
> >than a passing resemblance to Unix V7. Virtually any Unix user, given a
> >Coherent shell on a character-based terminal, wouldn't realise they weren't
> >on Unix. The only thing not-Unix about Coherent is the price - I don't
> 
> Virtually any user would be able to tell that they were not running
> real UNIX when their favorite applications like Word Perfect, dBase or
> Lotus would not run.  They would also be able to tell when there were no
> ports available on the machine, since very few if any of the multiport
> vendors (ie: Digiboard, etc) support unix clones -- after all why should
> they?

Larry, you clearly don't have a clue what a modern version of Coherent (4.0)
can and cannot do. Coherent 4.0:

	supports the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard and runs many
		character based i386 Unix programs straight out of the
		shrink wrap.
	supports the following multi-port boards:
			Boca Research Bocaboard BB1008
			Digboard Corp.	Digiboard PC/16
					DigiCHANNEL PC/X
			Connect Tech Inc. DFlex-4/8
			Sritek Inc.	FastCom
					FastCom Plus
			Comtrol Hostess 550 16
			Arnet	Multiport 4/8
				Twinport 2
			GTEK Inc PCSS-8TX
			Stargate Plus 8
			SEFCO serial adaptor
			Applied Digital SIO4
			Sealevel Systems Turbo Comm +2/4/8

Have you got any other dumb, knee-jerk pointless flames to post, or
would you like to generate some serious argument?

						- k
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <BtsqCD.LCz@gator.rn.com>, larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
| peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
| 
| >most ports are quite easy. And Waffle is ported to Linux, so there is at least
| >one BBS availlable (that is, if it fits your definition of decent).
| 
| Waffle is about the most cryptic BBS available --  it by no means is
| user friendly -- the user interface is non-standard and "off the wall" requiring
| a steep learning curve.

  I was going to port MBS to Linux, and may still do it, but the port
would start with providing a lot of the missing IPC. MBS needs a bunch
of stuff which is in BSD and V.3/V.4 but not in Linux.

-- 
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    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:58:33 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

>the goal behind these rules is that any reader of the nixpub list can
>call any number in the list and get 'something' -- even if it is just
>info on the system or registration.

This rule makes a lot of sense.  If I hand a printout of the nixpub list
to a person with no UseNet or E-mail access, she can use any of the
systems just by picking up the phone.  If I tell her she can get info on
dixie.com by sending E-mail to info@dixie.com (or wherever), then she is
no better off than she was before.

And furthermore, if you have no wish or need to attract more
subscribers, then there's no need to be on the nixpub list.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:47:53 GMT

bforob@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (WBFO 88.7 FM -- Rob Rothkopf) writes:

>Where I am, we're running 12 nodes locally on a bbs, and 2 dial-in's.  Each of 
>the 12 nodes is running DesqView under MSDos, running both Word Perfect, BBS, 
>an internal Corporate Database system and Emacs all at the same time.. since 
>you asked :-).

So you have one machine running a 12 node bbs with 2 dialins?  What is
a node?     

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:31:36 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>>Many new users finally hang-up due the the hard to learn user interface.  Users
>>want single key commands with hot-keys and ANSI color.

>Well, myself, I loathe hot-keys.  Future Vision came with hot-keys...
>everywhere!  Every time they update the software, I need to add another
>system flag and recode every user input line so that hot keys can be
>disabled.

While I don't find them useful myself, I would put them up if
somebody called for them. But so far, when I show people how the
commands have been arranged as "graduated complexity" (90% of what
people do uses 10% of the commands), everybody's been happy enough. 

>Someone who loves hotkeys has never connected to a BBS using a noisy
>line.  One burst of line noise and you could be anywhere in the system.

And while this isn't so much of a problem these days, there are
still people who don't have MNP.

>the capability.  I don't call systems that do that.  Especially ones
>that insist that you do indeed have an entire IBM character set, and
>uses it every chance it gets.  IBMscii means little to my acoustic
>portable terminal.

Further, while the high-order characters (128 and ff) are the 'IBM
character set' for lots of machines, there are others which use
these for other purposes. The NEC PC-9801 series (the equivalent of
IBM PC/XT/AT) uses them for small, 1-byte kana and other graphic
symbols, thus the wonderfully well-thought out menus with their
graphic borders turn to rubbish. 

In sum, the 0-255 character set isn't only for IBM-compats. If you
want your host to be internationally compatible, about the only
thing that will work is 0-127 and even so, there are problems.  For
example, 'backslash' character is used as a 'yen-sign' in Japan, and
some software doesn't let through the various kanji-escape sequences. 

Dave

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From: slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:23:08 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

I believe out of the three main types of storing methods on an MS-DOS BBS 
(*.MSG, 1 file + index (Hudson format, few others), and the newer Squish 
format, Squish is the best.
 
Last I chcked you can turn off compression.  The advantages of Squish is 
space compared to *.MSG.  The main complaint I have about the Hudson style 
bases (RA, QuickBBS, SuperBBS, etc...) is that the numbering scheme is used 
in every area, so message #1 may be in General, but #2 may be in the next 
area, so iot's hard to manueveur, you have to use a QuickScan feature if 
there are 300 new messages in an area, but you only want to read the last 
50, otherwise you have no idea what # to start at.
 

<< Scott Lewis >>

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: Ferranti International Controls Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:25:13 GMT

In article <zccng#@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
> Always interesting to see people like jim who are totally devoid of 
> anything useful to say and yet wants to be heard so bad that they
> use a whole article to pick a nit like that.  Boring life, huh?

John, I happen to agree that Phil is wrong in not listing Dixie, but this
sort of thing is *not* the way to convince him otherwise.
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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:28:54 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.

In article <BtoyMy.FwI@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>
>>In article <PRD4PB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>>> Usenetish ports are adequate replacements for Un*x.  Certainly Coherent
>>> systems should NOT appear in any list of Unix systems, I'd say.  (Sure to
>>> stir up an argument there!)
>
>>Why the hell not? It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks
>>like a duck. Unix isn't an operating system... it's a family of operating
>
>Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year
>(of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
>machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?
>
	Wait there...Coherent is Unix, just based on an old release,
and develop/licensed to someone other then AT&T...if you throw this
in with OS2/DOS (don't know what QNX is *frown*), then are you
going to throw in Linux also...that isn't licenced to AT&T??

	What basis are you saying that Coherent isn't UNIX???

Marc
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 05:55:42 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>Fine.  You can run your system under any set or rules you want.  Just
>don't come whining to us when your choices have consequences (as this
>one does).  If you don't like those results in this case, feel free to
>start your own list.  I think you'll find that keeping it up to date
>takes just a bit more than a few minutes a day.

Why should it be any more work than any of the other lists I keep?
Oh, I understand, to YOU it would be work.  For me it would be a 
few minutes' diddling.


>>It will be available electronically via
>>mail server, by fax on PE magazine's fax server and will be
>>listed in PE because my readers will want convenient  places
>>other than the likes of Compu$erv to pick up code that
>>accompanies  PE articles.  

>Trying to push the envelope on commercial use of the net again, are
>we, John?

yeah.  And doesn't it just piss you off that you cannot do a thing
about it?  In your face, sucker.

>Phil is already rational.  It's you who are not, and I trust you're
>ready for the lawsuits if you should happen to leave some commercial
>service off your list.

What an imagination.  Thanks.  I needed a good laugh.  Or should I
quake in my shoes that you might sue me?  Sorry.  I'll pass.

John
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