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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:56:49 EDT
From:         Leslie Gabriel <URLG@MARISTC>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

We (my husband, myself, and another couple) plan to take a two-week-
vacation looping Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico in Fall of 93.
Our plan is to fly from New York to Denver, take Amtrak to Salt Lake
City, rent a car to go to Bryce/Zion/Grand Canyons, Santa Fe,
Colorado Springs, then back to Denver, and fly home.

I have already saved information about the cities and sites within
those four states from this list, but have some specific questions:

1. Is this loop a good one?  What other stops would you recommend?
   Does anyone care to comment on how many days we should spend at
   each stop?

2. What's the weather like in the mountains and the deserts that time
   of the year (most probably September, unless anyone recommends other
   month)?  What essentials shall we pack, and what's absolutely
   useless that we can leave at home?  Do we need sunscreen?  How's
   the pollen situation at that time?

3. Can anyone think of any unusual medicine or first aid material that
   we need to bring?

4. Since we are driving long distance, shall we request any additional
   supplies for the rental car?

Any other information is welcomed.  Thanks in advance...way in advance!

Leslie
URLG@MARISTC.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:21:00 EDT
From:         Gina Gestautas <NORTH@DRYCAS>
Subject:      Disney Subscribers, Save Money. (Family Fun)
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Hello again Netters,

Wouldn't you know it.. right AFTER I send my posting about Family Fun
Magazine.. I find out when I open up my Disney Magazine for August and
Beyond that Disney Channel Subscribers get roughly a dollar off the
advertized 15% savings.  (Figures.. since I stated that this is a new
Disney Publication).  Look in the early pages of it (don't have it with me
right now..) for information.. you can order via a 1-800 number.
Its all listed in a small article in the Disney Channel Magazine.
Hope this helps you!!

__

Gina Gestautas          "Teach each child as if he is your own...
[Amateur Everything]     He may influence yours when they are grown."

Bitnet:   NORTH@DRYCAS          Internet: north@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
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From: rcronh@wsres1.info.win.tue.nl (Ron Helwig)
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Subject: Campgrounds in the USA, other than KOA?
Keywords: Camping, campgrounds
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:59:46 GMT
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Hi there,

In August, I will be traveling with a motorhome through parts of 
California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada.
Along with my travel documents my local travel agent gave me a copy
of the KOA "road atlas and camping guide". I know there are many
more camgrounds in the US than just KOA. Because I don't want to plan
my vacation from KOA to KOA campground, I have the following questions:

	- Can someone tell me about other campgrounds? 
	- How do I obtain information about them?
	- Is there some kind of rating with respect to the
	  facilities tha campground-organisations provide?

Thanks for any info,

	Ron Helwig

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From: AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Aron Eisenpress)
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Subject: Dolphins at Monkey Mia, W.A., Australia
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:58:48 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I'd appreciate information from anyone who's been there, on what it's
like!  (We're going in early September.)  Would also like to know if
a submersible camera (like the one-shot Kodak Weekend) is useful or
necessary, or if one can capture the experience with a normal dry-land
camera.

Also, recommendations for things to see or do on the way to & from Perth.
We do plan to visit the Pinnacles, and have 5 days total in the area.

Thanks!

(I already posted this to rec.travel, for those of you who read netnews.)
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 -- Aron Eisenpress, City U of NY
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Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 00:51:59 EDT
From: <YAGHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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Subject: Help, suggestion or trip-mate needed for travel in NC area

Hi, I am planning a campping trip to North Carolina, especially for some places
near the beach. Does any one has any suggestions where is the best place to go
for one week to 10 days such trip. Or any body wants to do the same thing and
needs company. I am a graduate stuent at City Universtiy of New York.

Thank you for any information.
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Thanks for your input.  I appreciate your time.  Looking forward to visiting
Newprot soooooooon!
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 92 13:10:04 +1000
From:         Tmne Sperling <tmne@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Touring/camping in Central N.S.W., Australia
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Another message from my collegue Frank:

If you want to see kangaroos in the wild closer to Sydney, go down the south
coast to Pebbly Beach, just before Bateman's Bay (you need a car). Apparently
there is a good camping site right on the beach and there are heaps of kangaroos
right there, right on the beach, the surf, in the camp ground and all over the
place. Frank says he's yet to see one on a surf board but..... :-)

They do have cabins etc and the weather is likely to be more hospitable than
in the Blue Mountains, depending on the time of the year you are talking about.

Frank (who is from America originally) says to tell you that the Blue Mountains
are similar to the Poconos (sp?) outside NYC.

I don't know, I've never been to the Poconos, but Frank's been to both.

Tmne
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:28:21 EDT
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From:         "Mary K. Becker" <MKBECK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help, suggestion or trip-mate needed for travel in N
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Acquisitions Assistant-Kornhauser Library
Phone: 588-5763
If you get down towards Shallotte (looking for the nudist camp!) you might
as well go on down to Calabash & eat great seafood.  There is also a neat
ferry ride from Fort Fisher to Southport ($3 a car last summer, I think)
and the aquarium at Fort Fisher is worth a stop if you're in the area.
In addition to mosquitos, watch out for the fire ants, too.
Have a good trip!
Mary K.
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From: scsd1330@altair.selu.edu
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Subject: Bahama Cruise
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:51:01 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University


	I need info on the best time to cruise to the Bahamas.
We are starting out small on Incentive International Travel.  

Please respond to the list or to me at IN%"scsd1330@vega.selu.edu"

Cynthia
Office Products Specialist
Southeastern Louisiana University

Thank you in advance. O:)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 92 09:08:16 EDT
From:         "Anthony J. Caruso" <ACARUSO@KENTVM>
Subject:      Old Quebec City
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Can anyone recommend a place to stay in (or within walking distance)
to Old Quebec City?  Yes, I know about the Chateau Frontenac, but
am looking for something a little less expensive!  A B&B would be
nice (private bath preferred)...available parking at a B&B would
help.  Would also be intested in small hotel.

Thanks in advance...

Tony - ACARUSO@KENTVM
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:24:38 TUR
From:         "Jill Baldwin, AAP I" <CIBALDWI@ECUVM1>
Subject:      Re: Help, suggestion or trip-mate needed for travel in NC area
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 *** Reply to note of 07/30/92 08:26
 Computing and Information Systems
 Austin 307 757-6985
 It has been MANY years since I have camped on the Outer Banks of NC.
 My state map of NC shows at least four campgrounds on the Outer Banks
 all are south of Manteo.  If you are going during the summer I would
 recommend reservations, this is a very popular area.
 A good source of information is to call 1-800-VISIT-NC.  They will be
 happy to help and will send you lots of good information including the
 newest map of NC.  Be sure and mention that you are interested in camping.

 The outer banks can be reached by bridges, but there are also ferries.
 The ferries will take (and recommend you make) reservations if you are
 on a strict schedule.  Be sure to visit a few of the light houses and
 the Wright Brothers Memorial (the presentation they give is well worth
 your time and is FREE). Hang gliding. jet skiis, surfboards and sailboards
 can all be rented (lessons available).

 There are also many places to camp at the beach, not on the Outer Banks, but
 most are more family oriented type areas.

 Enjoy NC !
 Jill cibaldwi@ECUVM1.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:27:20 EDT
From:         MISRAN1@KENTVM
Subject:      Switzerland,France,Portugal
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Suzanne,

I am not able to offer you any assistance.  Just wrote to say good for
you!  Have a nice time.

                                    Rita Nagle
                                    Kent State University
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:47:52 TUR
From:         ALMULFORT@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      Windjammer cruises
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I have a friend who had a 1 week Caribbean cruise with Windjammer years
ago, and all she has is fond memories. Nothing negative to report.
Please let us know more about the cruise (all my favorite ports!),
specifically price.
Also, when you return, please give your impressions.
Thanks.
Ann Mulfort
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:28:45 PDT
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM>
Subject:      Re: round-the-world trip
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Well, Rick, I think I am one of the few Americans who has taken the bus
from Jerusalem to Cairo, and I would classify it as more interesting
than fun.  It is a very long ride.   Crossing the Nile by ferry was fun,
the rest was just interesting (especially the four hour border crossing
in Gaza).   Good luck.   Dave

Dave Gomberg    GOMBERG@UCSFVM  Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU  (415)731-7793
Seven Gateview Court, San Francisco CA 94116-1941
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 92 09:45:39 TUR
From:         Can AKAN <EFEAST04@TREARN>
Subject:      reply to Paul Fisher
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     As you might know Ankara is the capital city of Turkey and it is
also a modern one in the district. You may find almost all the comfort
you need there.
     You must also visit Istanbul and some other touristic resorts of
our country. Especially Istanbul might be a very interesting place for
a foreigner for it is also a historical one.
     As they are a couple-of-hours-drive away from Ankara you should
not miss the chance of visiting Urgup and Goreme.
     Also, if you have enough time, you may enjoy your time swimming
at many wonderful places along the south and south-eastern coasts of
Anatolia and along the Aegean coast as well.
     These are, of course, very brief hints on the subject and you may
well provide detailed info from your local sources. Otherwise I am ready
to supply you with the relevant brochures, so just feel free to call me
via my e-mail address. Wish you a nice trip...


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From: Fisher@GAB.UNT.EDU (Paul Fisher)
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Subject: Vietnam, China and India
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:02:46 GMT
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We are considering a trip around the world.  I have invitations to spend
time in Beijing, Ho Chi Min City, Dehli, and several other cities.  I am
also interested in Turkey.  I have been to China, (Beijing, Guangchu, Xian,
Guilin) but I would like to go to Inner Mongolia.  Has anyone any
information?  I am concerned about what to see, gifts that might be
appropriate to take with me, and any other useful information.

I am concerned also about India.  I have never been there, but I have heard
many things, some not so desirable.  I would like to talk to some recent
visitors there.

What about Turkey?  I have lived in the Middle East, but never in Turkey.  I
would be going to Ankara to visit the Middle East Technical University.
What is Ankara like?  Can it be used as a central place to see Turkey?  Can
or does one simply rent a car and drive off into the sunset until its time
to leave on the Plane?

Has anyone purchased around the world tickets?  Is there anything that I
need to know prior to buying such?

We plan on leaving in Sept and returning by end of Oct.

Thank you in advance
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:45:09 -0400
From:         Jose Pinto <pinto@GCH.ULAVAL.CA>
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Does anybody know where the city of King of Prussia is?

Write to me directly at pinto@gch.ulaval.ca
Many thanks.

jhqp
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Date: 29 Jul 92 12:19:25 -0600
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Please sign me OFF Eric Breaux

I have been unable to signoff through SEND, Sorry!!!!

                    :-)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:55:19 PDT
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM>
Subject:      Re: My trip to the Loire and Paris (long,long,long)
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Liz, I hope you don't think this question is too personal, but how much
should a couple allow to duplicate a trip like yours (for everything but
souvenirs)?  Thanks for the info.   Dave

Dave Gomberg    GOMBERG@UCSFVM  Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU  (415)731-7793
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From: mk0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MONICA KELLNER)
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Subject: Re:"Windjammer"Cruise in ...
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:31:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

please, what means "windjammer"?
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From:         June Maxwell <UMAXWE@UNC>
Subject: Re: Europe
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Travel-lers,
  I am trying, unsuccessfully, to reach the list, but all my
attempts so far have ended up in the basement.  Hence I am
piggy-backing on the reply mode.
  My question is, do any of you have any experience with tours
of Italy (Donna Franca, American Airlines, etc.)?  I am planning
a trip in late September and would be very interested in your
answers.
  June Maxwell, umaxwe@unc.bitnet
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From:         Tmne Sperling <tmne@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.OZ.AU>
Subject:      round-the-world trip
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Along with Dave, I don't recommend the Jerusalem/Cario bus trip for comfort
reasons, but it is a definite cultural experience. While in Israel try to
travel around the Gallil area. Safat is a wonderful town at the top of a
mountain, very cultured (great artists quarter) and the birth place of Jewish
mysticism. Also visit Mount Masada (South of Jerusalem), the greatest time to
be there is at dawn. While you are there go to Ein Gedi National Park and
swim in the Dead Sea. If you are short of time, there are day trip tours from
Jerusalem that combine Masada, Ein Gedi and the Dead Sea that are good value.
In Jerusalem visit the Jewish markets (Mahane Yehuda) near the Central Bus
Station, as well as the Arab Shouk. It has friut and vegetables and an
 interesting
assortment of local produce and people! In Tel Aviv, don't miss the Diaspora
Museum, very interesting, and in Jerusalem, go to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust
Museum, a must.

Where are you going in Australia for three months. It is a big country over
here. Please mail me direct with more details so I can help you if I can.

What a great trip. I'm very envious.

Tmne

tmne@archsci.arch.su.au

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:19:26 EDT
From:         William Kemp <wkemp@S850.MWC.EDU>
Subject:      Mississippi
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The summary of comment on travel in the southeastern U. S. asked
for more information about things to see in Mississippi. Here are
a few:

Shiloh -- northeastern part of the state; Civil War battlefield
Natchez--southwestern part of the state, on the River; small, old
city offering more antebellum homes in a few square miles than
anywhere else (except maybe Charleston or Savannah)
Vicksburg -- location of probably the decisive battle (a seige really)
of the Civil War; large, pleasant park commemorating the event.
Oxford -- college town in the northern part of the state; the home of
William Faulkner (Rowan Oak) is open to visitors; one of his novels
is outlined on the wall of his study.
Jackson -- state capitol; museum, archives, fair grounds, a few old
homes which survived the war
scenery -- rolling hills; delta flatlands; kudzu, spanish moss, pine
trees.

Have a good trip.

Bill Kemp
Fredericksburg, Va.
wkemp@a850.mwc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:44:00 EST
From:         Richard J Sloane <UNCRICK@UNC>
Subject:      round-the-world trip
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Somebody (I forgot who, sorry) inquired recently about buying
round-the-world airline tickets.  My wife and I are setting off
on a rtw trip, and done some investigation on the subject. To
make a long story short, we have found that the best value for
buying such tickets here in the US is with one of the consolidated
ticket brokers, like Air Brokers International in San Francisco or
Pan Express in New York City.  They both advertise in the Sunday Travel
section of the New York Times (where I found out about them).  We also
checked with some other brokers and with British Air, United and other
airlines, but they were more expensive and less flexible.  I believe we
will buy our ticket with Air Brokers.
Our travel will take us on the following route:
Hawaii- Fiji- New Zealand (1 month) - Australia (3 months) - Bali -
Singapore - Bangkok - Dehli (with side trip to Nepal) - Cairo/Isreal -
somewhere in Europe - home.  Does anyone have any "Don't miss this!!"
kind of experiences in any of those places?  We always like to see the
places other people have said they had good times at.  Please comment
with all the detail you like -- we will compile these and take them
with us.
  Rick Sloane UNCRICK@UNC
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From:         Doug Bank <dougb@ECS.COMM.MOT.COM>
Subject:      Going to New Mexico (with camera!)
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Well, I'm off to New Mexico for 9 days in the begining of
September.  My wife and I will be flying in to Albuqurque
and renting a car.  We plan on seeing Albuqurque, Sante Fe,
and Carlsbad Caverns.  We are debating whether to see
White Sands Natl Monument or Guadalupe Mtns Natl Park.

I am interested in suggestions from anyone who has visited
these locales.  I will be bring lots of camera equipment,
so I am interested in scenic suggestions.  My wife will
get bored if I just take pictures, so any other suggestions
would also be appreciated.

I don't know much about the area, so ANY information would
be appreciated.

(By the way, I know it is a bad idea to go to Carlsbad over
Labor Day Weekend.  Is there anything else I should know?)

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              J

> I also understand that in some states people also speak a lot of Spanish?

Instructions inside the cars of the Light Rail Transport system of Santa Clara
Valley (San Jose, CA) are written in 3 (three) languages : English, Spanish
and Vietnamese. We did find that rather amusing.

In 1990, when I was staying in the Holiday Inn, Pico Blvd, Los Angeles,
management was Japanese and the workers were Hispanic.

Some time ago, a law was adopted making English the official language of the
state of California. (Can a more knowledgeable person back this up ?)

> Thank you for any responses,
> (please send them to 'rc2@medea.lnv.agro.nl')

I just did.

>
>                               Willem-Olaf Huijsen

Eric Luyten, BFUCC.

> N.B. Please mail to 'rc4@medea.lnv.agro.nl'.

I did that too.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:40:38 MDT
From:         John L Orman <jlorman@SOMNET.SANDIA.GOV>
Subject:      ST. MAARTEN
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Dear Travel-Ler's:

        I will be traveling to St. Maarten/St. Martin in September.  I would
appreciate any information you would have on places to stay, activities
to do, places to see.  Thanks.

                                         John L. Orman
                                         JLORMAN@SANDIA.GOV
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