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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:07:00 LCL
From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      The Fabulous Sequel
X-To:         "Michael H. Bloom" <ALLMUSIC@auvm.american.edu>

Michael -

On "Nothing Compares 2U" :

The lyrics were  great, it was  the *SINGER* who needed work. And
since I haven't heard anything new from Sinead lately, I can only
hope that she's actually WORKING on her style.

-=Kevin=-
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:33:40 CDT
From:         "Renato Barahona" <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Lazer's Edge

I'd be interested  in hearing from anyone who's had interaction with The Lazer'
s Edge in Hoboken, NJ -- quality of products, sound of CDs, whatever comes to m
ind. I'm trying to "upgrade" some rare records from vinyl to CD and am curious
as to people's reaction to old stuff on CD; some say the new technology sounds
great, others trash it mercilessly.

Thanks in advance.

Renato Barahona
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: John Cage vs. My Sister
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:24:02 GMT

In article <9208171535.AA10824@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> writes:
>[illustration re: Zen calligraphy deleted here]

why?  ;)

>Cage, seeing that he cannot control sound, makes the mistake of relinquishing
>control of a musical train of thought as well. [....]
>
>Cage's attempt to apply Zen ideas to actual compositional methods seems to me
>to result from "thinking about," not "thinking in" music.

There have been others who criticize Cage in his usage of Chance.  For
instance, for Xenakis, he uses Chance events, but uses probablility
theory to calculate.  "Chance must be calculated".

I hear Cage originally got his notion of using chance when he found how
hard it was to get prepared pianos to sound the way he wants.  He would
go around to hear different people perform his works, and discovered
they never sounded the same, which is how he wanted it.

Then I think he realized that not only is this the case with prepared
pianos, but with how one hears music: how one perceives musical form.

It has been a while since I read his writings, and I am sure there is
more to it than that.  There also are different ideas behind different
compositions.

There is a video out which is shared with Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 
it isn't quite a collaborations, but they go back and forth between Cage
and Kirk.  Will have to check that out again.


Jeff

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From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Billy the Grammy hopeful
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Ok I consider myself somewhat knowledgable about the current music
scene but for the life of me I have never heard of this Billy
Rae/Ray/Bob person.  Should I look into it or consider myself lucky?

Frank
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)
              15 Aug 1992 21:22:39 GMT from <jpreston@NYX.CS.DU. EDU>

On Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:22:39 GMT no-nick said:
>
>Speaking of Vic Wooten, I just got _UFO Tofu_ the other day, and although
>I'd already heard half the tunes this past spring at the UK student
>ballroom, I was still surprised by the overall feel of the disc. It's
>distinctly different from the previous CDs (and I think Futureman is
>getting the hang of that Drumitar, finally).
>
Would =UFO Tofu= be the latest from the Fleckdudes?  Been out of the country
for 2 weeks & haven't gotten around to the local Tower yet.
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From: U17801@UICVM.BITNET (Renato Barahona)
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Subject: Train Kept A-Rollin covers
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:03:13 GMT
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Joined this lively list a couple days ago. It's a fairly cool crew, and if I st
ay on it too long I'll never get any of my work done. Still, I'm sure that this
 is the place to post what I hope is NOT a FAQ: to wit, can people send me name
s of artists who've covered one of my favorite songs of all times, i.e. Burnett
e Trio's Train Kept A-Rollin. Been thinking of making a compilation. Many thank
s in advance.

RB
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Subject: Re: fleck slide
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:41:35 GMT
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              18 Aug 1992 10:10:49 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UN H.EDU>

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:10:49 -0400 Russ Gelinas said:
>    Caught Bela Fleck et. al. on the tube recently, I gotta catch them live!
>Fleck played *slide banjo*!  Never heard (or thought) of that before.  Sounded
>like a muted dobro, very nice.  UFO Tofu is my next purchase.
>
Whereupon you will discover the tune "Bonnie and Slyde", dedicated to Bonnie
Raitt, complete with little blurb of explanation in the liner notes.  The video
the group made, 45 minutes worth, is quite good, also.

FWIW department:  I prefer this album to =Cosmic Hippo=, but not as much as I
like the first one; however, I like all three albums enormously & suspect that
that all fans of the Fleckster will, too.
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From: bulm2533@hgc.edu (steven bulmer)
Subject: Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:21:13 GMT

>>In the jazz world, everyone's bass player these days is Charlie Haden.
>>Anyone who has a record date would kill to get him on.  Previously,
>>of course, that has been Ron Carter, Richard Davis, and Dave Holland.
>>Then there is Neils Orsted Pederson (SP) from Denmark.  If your record
>>date is in Europe, that is who you will get.  Steve Bulmer is going
>>to have high praises for him.  You watch. 

Yep, he is a virtuouso to be sure.  But ya know what Beer? The
more things I hear him on, the more I think he aint the
Groove-o-saurus that numerous other dudes are.

>>Fortunately, the drummer knows his opinions on bass players suck,
>>so we won't be hearing from him.  
>>
>>The no-nicker will chime in with A.H.'s bass player, is that Jimmy
>>Johnson?
>>
>>Electric?  Forget the haircut, check out Jamaaladeen Tacuma.
>>I know I am missing someone.
>>
>>Jeff

Good to see things are about the same around here in the coupla
weeks I;ve been away! heh heh>

>That's a real surprise -- you know who Holdsworth's regular bassist
>is?  Wow. Well, yeah, Jimmy a great player. Doesn't he also work with
>Flim and the BBs? 

Ahem, Jimmy *IS* Flim....
 
>Jeff ("n.n.")

So how 'bout this bass news....I've been working on my
classical bass chops so that I can do some work with
this semi-pro orchestra here in CT. So I speak to the
personnel manager,etc,etc and I start 9/14. Come to find
out, I'll be sharing a stand with ED JONES!!! Mr. 10 years
with Count Basie Ed Jones who works in computers now, plays
in this orchestra and takes time off in the summer to do
"some festivals" like North Sea, etc, etc.

Oh man, I'm peeing my pants as Carol would say.
-Steve B  B
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:03:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      German bands again

>From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>

>And don't forget Einsturzende Neubaten, Deutsche Amerikaner Freundschaft, et
>al who have all made their own indistinguishable mark on modern music (and in
>turn were influenced by many of these bands incl. Can and the composer
>Stockhausen.) I have a list here of over 400 German bands and growing every
>day.

Can.  Damn, I knew I'd forgotten some big ones, but how I neglected to
mention them...  And Faust, Wallenstein, Cosmic Couriers...

>>Agitation Free

>Another fan!!! I picked up their album 2nd some time ago and was quite
>enthralled by it, but, alas I have never seen any reference to them, not
>even in passing. Well, one, but that was a dealer who was advertising to
>buy it for an undisclosed figure (his highest price offered for other albums
>was 800 pounds!). If you know anything John (or anyone) 'twould be much
>obliged.

Can't tell you much.  The second album is the only one I've been able to
find so far.  Michael Hoenig was with the band at the time and Christoph
Franke of Tangerine Dream was with them later.  I did read an article
in which Hoenig talked of his days with the band.  They started out as
total improv, throw away the rules; e.g. the keyboard player would stand
behind the organ so the keyboard would be reversed so he couldn't just
fall back on remembered patterns.  But as the band became successful
they fell into the trap of just repeating the jams that worked best and
the questing spirit was lost.

>Good to see you back:-)

Thanks for the welcome, Seb.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: favorite German bands

>From:         "Russell A. Potter" <rapotter@COLBY.EDU>

>While you're at it: Since you name Amon Dul and Ash Ra Tempel, what about
>Popol Vuh?  I think Florian Fricke is one of the most brilliant musicians

        There is an obscure (now) German band that apparently no-one named:
EMBRYO. They were quite popular (well, all is relative...) in the 70s, and
I even had the chance to see them live in my hometown when I was 14 more or
less.
        They played a strange mixture of rock and jazz, with dashes of
experimental and weird music, whatever weird mean. Their leader was good
at playing a huge number of instruments, from sitar to any brass/wood you
can think of.
        The concert was great, as far as I can remember, but they were
evidently very heavy on drugs. I remember I took an LP home -- I had bought
it outside the venue -- and there was a picture inside with the members
of the band in evidence... :) I mean the guys had their things out. Mom
considered it offensive; I didn't consider it; now I know that Red Hot
Chili Pepper haven't invented anything :)...

        Ciao, Marco

P.S.: before somebody asks, I haven't heard anything about them for the last
      10 years, so I assume they are not around anymore as a band, and anyway
      not with that name.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:13:19 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      I'm going to Oregon!

Okay ALLMUSIC netters, I'm going on a little vacation,
so I'm leaving the discussion list for about a week.
I'm going to Oregon to see the sights and check out a possible
site for graduate school (aaugh).
Anyhoo, I will be back around Aug 26.

Peace.
Mike Masuda.

P.S.: Carol, hang in there!  Don't let your mams and paps let you down
      whilst I'm away! ;)

      Marco, if there's anything that would interest me on the net,
      send it to me directly.  You know my peeves and preferences by now.
      Thanks much!

Off to see Beaverton....
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:52:08 -0400
From:         "Sebastian J. Welton ECNOD/CS" <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Steve Howe

 *** Reply to note of 92-08-19 21:49

 Twink also made an album with Bevis Frond (aka Nick Salaman) called Magic
 Eye. He can occasionally be seen still gigging in London.

 Seb

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:20:53 PST
From:         Mike McGuire <MIKEM@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      Sophie B. Hawkins

        I picked up Sophie's cd awhile ago and I like her voice alot.  I
don't watch much MTV anymore so I never saw the video until recently.
My wife loves the cd.  I must admit she is very sexy although that has
nothing to do with the music.  Amyway,  I just got ticket's to see her
for $7 bucks.  Seems pretty cheap and should be a pretty good show.  Has
anyone seen her yet?  The club is small which should make it a much
better show than usual.
Mike
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: Chris Squire - solo LP's
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:35:16 GMT


In a previous article, doug@oregon.uoregon.edu (doug anders) says:

>I'm an old Yes fan from way back. Can anybody suggest ways to locate Chris 
>Squire's (only?) solo LP "Fish out of Water"? I heard it when I was in high 
>school many years ago and loved it. I regret not purchasing it at the time. 
>I went to the record store recently under the delusion that I might find it 
>in CD form. The Phonolog catalogue did not even list the vinyl version of 
>the album. Also, has Squire ever recorded any other solo albums? I would 
>appreciate anybody's guidance on this subject.

  Sorry, Doug... I think you're out of luck unless you run into it
in a used vinyl store (or someone here has a copy they'd part with).
That's a good LP... alas, I only know of someone who has it, and his
copy is in pretty ratty shape. 
  Btw, that's the only LP I've ever heard of that Squire did. John
McIntyre will know if there are others.  :)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:10:00 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: cage is dead
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              at Aug 13, 92 5:05 pm

Drummer sed:

>   Look kids, start listening to some REAL music.
>
	Boy, talk about trying to start a flame war. OK, I'll
reply.
	Ummm, Toto is a....umm...big buncha stupidheads. There!

--
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    Gary Hanley
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From: jpreston@nyx.cs.du.edu (no-nick)
Subject: Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)
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Where was I?  Oh yes, someone was messaging me and interrupted my
bass diatribe.

I wanted to mention that Beer brought up Jimmy Johnson... well, he's
on the upcoming Holdsworth CD, _Wardenclyffe Tower_ , but it doesn't
look like he's touring with Holdsworth next month. One of the list
members who managed to catch Allan's manager in the office (a feat in
itself) got told of the difficulties they were having in securing
work permits/visas in *Canada* (for crying out loud) for the bassist
and drummer. That leads me to believe that Skuli Spherrisson will be
playing bass, and maybe we'll have Gary Husband on drums (hard to
believe, since Wackerman's probably available since the demise of the
Dennis Miller Show -- damn, a good chance to get Holdsworth on TV 
slipped by there). They aren't playing in Canada because of all the
hassles, and boy are the Canadian Atavachroners *pissed*. 

Jeff ("n.n.")


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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:12:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      omc: name your favorite German band

>From:         lil miss meek and quiet <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>

>OMC:  Name your favorite German band

Sorry to be so long in responding to this, but I was away from my
terminal for two weeks and found 2900 messages waiting for me.  Sigh,
got it down to 1700 so far.

Anyway, favorite German band...  Favorite?  You mean only one?  You
want me to choose between...

Tangerine Dream
Kraftwerk
Neu
Harmonia
Amon Duul (all three of them)
Eloy
Satin Whale
Mythos
Janus
Grobschnitt
Jane
La Dusseldorf
Tomorrow's Gift
Ash Ra Tempel
Agitation Free
Cluster
Scorpions (especially with Ulrich Roth)
Lava

Sigh, I know there's tons I'm forgetting...

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:44:05 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      re: thunk
              14 Aug 1992 11:29:53 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:29:53 EDT Sonia Kovitz said:
>lee, does HIGHWAY TO HELL count as metal? If so, count me as a metal
>freak--those are particularly scintillating thunks (I'm being serious in case
>anybody wondered, e.g. our resident seriousmeister Gary or others)
 I'm not Lee but if your talking AC/DC i would put them in heavy metal
 from what i understand though Angus is a very good axe-man, but trust
 me i'll never find out. (just not my cup of tea)
 hey i'm gettiny better at replying (spelling neads werk)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:50:51 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      25 O'Clock
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              Aug 20, 92 8:01 am

Dave rebutted on the MJ topic:

> Better for listening than for playing, I've found. Hard to keep any
> kind of edge going. In fact, the whole idea of keeping an "edge" seems
> incredibly ridiculous when you're stoned. :-)

	I've found that good cup of coffee goes great with a Bone to
stimulate the creative juices, and helps you keep the "edge," or
ambition, if that's what you mean. :)


...and on LSD:

> The problem here is that it becomes very hard to stay focused.


	Oh, I don't know. I haven't endulged in the stuff in many, many,
years, but I seem to remember being very focused on one of those Dura-flame
logs for the entire time it was burning one mid-winter night. :-)

...and on Coke:

> Also, the addictive nature of the stuff means you'll spend less and less
> time playing music.

	This is why I've always hated this shit. You can't think about
anything else except your next line. It's really to bad to see people
get addicted to it.

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:03:02 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Billy the Grammy hopeful
              14 Aug 1992 08:10:56 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:10:56 EDT <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU> said:

>section at your local music store.  Listen to his music and get the feel of
>the problems he is singing about.  Put yourself in his place.  You might had
>had a Achy Breaky Heart at one time or someone you was once in love with got
>married and you said that It Could Have Been Me.  This is what Billy Rae Cyrus
>is all about.  This is what Country Music is all about.
 I've just lost lost my wife for the last 10 years, it hurt more than i
can ever eve attempt to put into words th worst pain i've ever felt in my
life , but a no point did i have "achey breaky heart" I had a bad.bad feeling
but being somewhat of an adult i could never say you've broke my achey breaky
heart. Not knocking your music any way shape or form , but pain is not in
the form of an achey breaky heart ( at least not after 12 yrs old)
I hope "Lord Netus" doesn't get me on being personal on the group but
i felt it was the best wat to illustrate real life vs. pretend life
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From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: tangerine dream
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Did Tangerine Dream do the theme song for the TV show Street Hark?  If so
can you get the music on ftp?
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:28:49 EDT
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From:         "Steve Kilpatrick" <ST402658@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Train Kept A-Rollin covers

I know of three:
  Yardbirds (easy to find on compilation CD's)
  Aerosmith (on "Get Your Wings", "Live Bootleg", etc.)
  Led Zeppelin - did on their first tours in 1968-69, in fact this was
    the first song played at their first rehearsal. Also performed as
    opening song on their last tour, Europe in 1980 (I have a recording
    on a CD bootleg)

Hope this helps.

Steve Kilpatrick
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:08:02 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Sophie B. Hawkins
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>>Hey, is she the blonde who sings a tune that goes something like  "DAMN, I
 wish
>>that I was your lover"?  My life story... I wish I would have written that
>>one...
>>
>>- Carol
>
>That's the one Carol babe.  I could of sworn she gave you credit for that
>one on the cd!  She said you influenced her to do the nude photo on the
>rock's on ht einside cover.
>Mike

Sorry... twasn't me... my guess is that it was Tom Buck-naked who did the
influencing... we all know that he's seriously into nudity....  :*)  I, on
the other hand, cannot be serious about being nude.  It's just too damn
hilarious...

Promise you'll tell me how her concert goes, Mike.  Also, do the rest of the
songs on her album have sex as a theme?

- Carol, wishing to get naked in this heat...