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From: Scott Wentzell 28-Aug-1992 0952 <wentzell@mr4dec.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Lithuanian shirt investigation (S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu)
Reply-To: wentzell@mr4dec.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:14:12 GMT


S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu writes:

|Isn't it time, since we're asking what the Dead represent, that we also ask
|where the money is going from the $33 t-shirts. Does anyone know the
|breakdown on the income from these sales? What percentage goes to the
|Lithuanians? Is there even a Lithuanian National Team in existence now that
|the Olympics are over?  What was the cost of producing the shirts? Who was the
|artist, how much of the income is she/he receiving? In short, what percentage
|of the income is GDMS profit pure and simple? I'd pay $13 for one and that's
|high for a basketball shirt. $33.00 is a g o u g e  until someone can
|demonstrate otherwise.

First off, the shirts (they are tshirts, not basketball shirts) are $30.  
Second, even though the '92 Olympics may be over, the Lithuanian Olympic 
Committee still exists and still needs money to prepare athletes (and 
facilties??) for future Olympics.  The shirts were funded by the Dead and 
created by Phoenix entrepreneur Mike Fitzgerald and the Poughkeepsie, 
N.Y.-based NotFade Away Tie-Dye Co.  I would assume (i.e. I don't know) he 
receives royalties on the shirts but I would not know how much.  I've seen 
royalties for $.50 per for a simple shirt before, but I'm sure that varies 
with the complexity of the artwork and the artist.  Between $8-10 per shirt 
goes to the Lithuanian Olympic Committee.  Based my perosnal experience, I'd 
guess the cost of the shirts (w/graphics, tie-dye) is around $10.  So that 
leaves around $10 to pay for administrative costs of selling the shirts (people 
taking orders, stuffing the shirts, etc.) and some room for GDM to make some 
money (it is a business, after all).  IMO, they are not "gouging", but like 
others have said, if ya don't like it, don't order one.  BTW, GDM has received 
about 20,000 orders since last week, and Ticketmaster (also selling the 
shirts) reported more than 5,000 in 48 hours.  So apparently the market will 
bear the $30 price tag.

As for why the Dead would sponsor such an endeavor, the following from McNally 
sums it up (and he even answers the WHAT DO THE DEAD REPRESENT question 8^)):  

 ``The Grateful Dead are about celebration and freedom. It was
utterly appropriate - this small country, emerging from the shadows
after 54 years. What could be better than connecting with us?''
McNally said.

Source: AP article by Larry McShane

Bye now,
Scott

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From: abrams@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Robert Abrams)
Subject: Re: Rude behaviour at shows
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.181856.637@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>Dear People,
>    It strikes me that the flamefests over rude behaviour at shows is a
>bit futile. Even if every reader of the posts stops drunking/smoking/
>tripping/going unwashed/screaming JERRREEEEE!!!!/fill-in-your-pet-peeve
>it isn't going to affect the behaviour of the vast majority who don't
>have and/or use access to either the digest or the newsgroup.
>    I'm hoping that the Dead hang out in Marin County for about 2 years
>while Jerry recovers and the scene dies down enough such that nobody
>gets shut out of mail order. (Well, I can wish can't I?  :-).
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Edward Craig            CRAIG@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>My opinions and M.I.T.'s occasionally coincide. Occasionally they don't.
>    Neither of us worries about it.
>"You know I've been a soldier in the armies of the night...."
>                                    Mydland/Barlow
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


Here!! Here!!

Bob
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Scary Deadicated II thought
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:17:14 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

The thought of "Attics of My Life" covered by Hank Williams, Jr. is
scary enough for one night, but since it _is_ gettin' on towards
Halloween, would you indulge me in Tanya Tucker doing "Cassidy"?

Ice-T on "Throwing Stones"...hey, wait, might be pretty good.

And having heard an old Sinatra record or two, I'm not quite ready
to dismiss _that_ out of hand.  His spaghetti sauce, his recent
work, and most of the company he reputedly keeps, yeah. But not his 
vocal talent, or at least the talent he had in his younger days.  
Keep him away from the bluegrass/folk corner of the Dead repertoire 
(not that he'd be too inclined to venture there anyway) and you 
might be surprised.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 11:36:32 EDT
From: <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Reverse dedication

 How about an album of the Dead themselves doing the original material of Dead
cover\influenced bands.  To me this would be more interesting and genuine than
record companies hiring contemporary artist, most of whom probably arent "Dedic
ated", to stylize Dead tunes.  It was probably easier for the record companies
to get 10 artists to do dead tunes then it would be to get the Dead to hash out
 10 new tunes.
Some Suggestions:
Solar Circus- Love's My Thing-Bobby
Crazy Daze-Things To Know-Jerry
Living Earth-Outrage(Hear My People)-Jerry
Little Women-Eat My Soul-Jerry
New Potato Caboose-Promising Traveler-Vince
Jello Boys-Turning Our Souls Insideout-Bobby
Phish-Suzy Greenberg-Phil (go ahead with your phlames)
 Let me know what you think. EDB
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: Best Tapes
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:45:21 GMT

hhs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Sweetleaf) writes:

> bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman) writes:
>>
>>Solution:  Buy a DAT and scrap the analogs!  Almost all of the tapes
>>on the market are high quality (of course $6-8 they should be!)
>                                           ^^^^^
>            This is the only reason I haven't bought a DAT deck yet.
>      How can you DATheads afford to pay this much for blank tapes?!
>      Is there any hope that the prices will come down in the future
>      or will the tape companies indefinitely keep the prices artificially
>      high?

>          

>-- 
>************* Sweetleaf *************
>********* hs@homxb.att.com ***************    
Better yet, for the price and sound quality VHS fi-fi (or Beta hi-fi) simply
can't be beat!
At less than $5 per tape you get 6 hours worth. The sound is comparable to CD.
Really. No hiss either. No messy NR systems.
Only drawback is portability.

But at ~$8 or so for 90 minutes compared with ~$5 for 6 hours, I know whose
tape collection is going to grow faster.

How do you DAT people afford it? Are you all independently wealthy?

For portability, I just dub onto (analog) cassette. Do I need top fidelity
for my car or walkman? Naahhh.
So the VHS deck is there for serious home listening.

How many other VHS-media people are out there?

--Mark

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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Go Ahead
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:49:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.123406.2639@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

>Alex Ligertwood on guitar and vocals.  
John, is this the same guy now touring with Carlos Santana? Do you
anything of his passed endevors? I though he did an excellent job
with Carlos.

Once again what a show, they play Santa Fe tonight whis I could win
some more tickets and make it up there:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>dtodd@well.sf.ca.us            / | \                               <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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From: LHETTINGER@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Subject: Personal for Brian Perry
Reply-To: LHETTINGER@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:18:24 GMT


Hi Brian!  Please drop me a line on email or give me a call if you get a 
chance - I've lost your email address :(

Larry    lhettinger@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:33:24 -0400 
From: Gerald.Malan@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: License Plate Frame


Hey Ho!

Does anyone know where I can get one of those black
license plate frames that have the dancing skeletons on the
bottom?  I just got a new car, and I don't want lots of stickers
all over the place, and I figure that this would be suble enough
to fool anyone who would be anti-dead (no bacon mentioned).

On a side note, idle hands do indeed make trouble.  All of these
flames?  When the dead idle, so do most of us it seems....  :-)

Take care,
Rob
From: jeepers@cup.portal.com (John A Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Wall St. Journal Dead quotes
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:00:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

From August 26,1992 Wall Street Journal page one story entitled
"Rhythm and Blues: Rock is slowly fading as tastes in music
go off in many directions":

   ""Rap music came about because there was a need for protest and for
   talking about real things." says Mickey Hart, drummer for the
   Grateful Dead.  "Rock had become pablum.  The [radio] programmers 
   didn't want to here real rock 'n' roll lyrics, so they played, 
   'Oh baby, you're so fine, you blow my mind.""

... and later under the heading "NOT FADE AWAY"...

   "The list of aging acts that do better on tour than in record stores
   is long and growing, including Neil Diamond, Jimmy Buffet, the Beach
   Boys and the Grateful Dead."

Quoted without permission from the Wall Street Journal
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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Lazy Lightning
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.005950.25155@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall) writes:
>  Naw- you're not a real net.head unless you've been flamed
>by sjeck@isi.com -
gee, stev-TOO, stop being so nice to me.  then my life will have
meaning :)

>The whole point is that you can't steal what can't be owned.
---perhaps not, but it can be destroyed and thus unusable; it and
the culture can be exploited.

>You're still ethnocentrically applying a Northern European
>Invader's Constitutional body of law to an aboriginal culture
>that doesn't give a shit about paper.
--- since that invader's law is what cost us natives our
homeland, and since the "old ways" won't get it back, should we
just sit and take it?  or should we try to work within the scope
of what is destroying the culture to try to restore some of it?
Of course, trying to work within that scope only put Lazarus (the
atty) in a position to accept a payoff, which the tribe didn't
accept: since he got his, what was it, $8 mill, i doubt that he
cares. the issue is resolved in the eyes of the government, and
people on the reservations still live in the worst conditions known
to any "americans" today.  that doesn't mean that I have to like it.


>So how wrong was it?
--- could you be more specific?  which part of the damage would
you like to discuss?  ignoring the land issue and the human rights
issue, we could talk about purposefully setting out to destroy a
species (the buffalo).

>You want to slip around Lead cutting Homestake Mining Employee's
>throats but leaving the scalps like Crazy Horse did 120 years
>ago?
--- gee, did I say this?  no, I don't think so: i think what I
personally would like is for the Homestake's profits to go where
they rightfully belong - since we can't put the gold back in the
ground or unrape the hills, at least maybe some HOUSING on the
reservation could be paid for, perhaps utilities, perhaps NUTRITION
out of those bucks...

>I don't wear protection unless I'm in the Bay area.  I
>prefer creativity to confinement.
--- in that case, stay out of the bay area.  we don't need more
irresponsible fuckers here - you DID hear, didn't you that AIDS
isn't just a gay disease or a bay area disease (sheesh, this guy
should get out of WYOMING - try, i don't know, MARS!)

>  So I thought Lara was your last name- I recieved oral sex
>from a sheep too when I was a kid- it was just another learning
>experience.
--- my guess is, your best yet.

>  The Dead don't play Barlow's ranch anymore because he sold it
>and moved into town.  And even if they could play Barlow's ranch
>again, YOU couldn't get a ticket!  NAAAHHHH!!!
--- you couldn't pay me enough to go back to Wyoming, but i'm sure
that's good news to you.


>                        eagle
>                    rebel@outlaw.uwyo.
edu <- lack of
lara
From: gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Lookin' for "Ashes, Ashes":  FOUND!
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:51:36 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Aug28.110405.918@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
> In a previous article I asked:
> 
>> which album does the song _Ashes, Ashes_ live on?  I really liked this, and 
>> would like to find the album.
> 
> thanks to all that replied that the song was called "Throwing Stones" from the
> album "In the Dark".  time for me to go out and find this...real quick!
> 
> Keep on truckin'
> Gabor.

Special thanks to John Shulien, who also included the lyrics; John, I tried to 
e-mail you, but the message was returned - the postmaster at utcs.utoronto.ca
couldn't find you!

Ciao!
Gabor.

--
    g  b    gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca	"We come in Peace, shoot to kill,
gggg   b    Victoria, B. C.	 	 We come in Peace, shoot to kill, men"
g  g t b    (God's waiting room)		_Star Trekking_, The Firm
ggggtttbbbb  
   g t b  b 		"Am I the witness, or am I the crime
g  g t bbbb		 A victim of circumstance, or just a sign of the times"
gggg  tt        				J. Clegg
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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Lazy Lightning
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:27:05 GMT

eagle,
thanks for the kind words, personal and net-wide.

we ARE all in this together
lara

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: Re: Lazy Lightning
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:45:58 GMT

  Lara- Andre Marrou has a solution for you.  Just vote him
into the White House and you can buy all the federal land back
you want because it is unconstitutional for the Gov't to own
land.  BTW- us old farts call Steve Reno :-)

> we could talk about purposefully setting out to destroy a
>species (the buffalo).

Hell, there's plenty of buffalo around here, I just invited the
whole goddamn net to a Barbeque a couple of weeks ago, and we're
going to Barbeque some more of her the 26th.  But that one will
cost you- it ain't free like last time.

>--- in that case, stay out of the bay area.
 
Hey!  It's a free country.  Besides, I'm notorious for celibate
touring-  How many shows did you make this year anyway?  And how
the hell would you know if I'm an irresponsible fucker or not?
I think you started Wyoming bashing to overcompensate for your
deep seated feelings of inadequacy.  You sound like an arrogant
snot so it doesn't supprise me you didn't get along with folks
in Gillette.  You probably don't get along with folks in Palo
Alto real well either.  But that's OK- there's hope for everybody
even you.
  John Stands in Timber knew my great grandfather.  I didn't.  I 
didn't know my great grandmother either.  She showed up in Gillette
with the railroad- she was a prostitute.  The Gov't doesn't pay
me for hanging around 'cause that piece of my ass that's aboriginal
is untraceable.   
  I was, however, at Earl's house the other night with a bunch of
intoxicatied Arrapahoe's and Shoshone's.  One of them said- "You
look like a Rainbow- That is a very high religion- I have respect
for Rainbow's- You use LSD to talk to God"
  I said- "Well Sparky, everytime I saw God, God did all the talking!"
             
  I'd just wait if I were you, Lara.  The Gov't is going to run out of
money and folks living in urban shitholes will kill each other off.
Maybe we'll get over run by some other assholes again form some place
else, but up here in the Rocky Mountains folks just keep on keepin'
on.
                                eagle
                         rebel@ outlaw.uwyo.edu
From: "keith soltys" <keith.soltys@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: binaural recording (?
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:32:11 EST
Reply-To: "keith soltys" <keith.soltys@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

SUBJ: Binaural Recording (?)

MK> I am trying to find out about a recording technique that I believe is called
MK> "binaural".  Essentially, as I understand it, you record stereo sound from
MK> the point-of-view of two "eardrums" in an acoustic model of a human head.
MK> The effect, when played back through good head phones, is supposed to be a
MK> dramatic and startling realism.

The technique is called "Kunztkoff" or something to that effect -- I'm not sure
of the spelling.  The CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) has used it to
make some very good live recordings. I am not certain, but I think the
Cowboy Junkies "Trinity Sessions" recording may be binaural.

It can produce a startlingly realistic soundscape, if you are listening
on headphones. I'm not well connected in the taper network, so I can't
say if any tapers use the technique, but I've never seen anything about it
on the net.

Regards
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From: dudasj@rs6305.ecs.rpi.edu (Joel Schostok Dudas)
Subject: Neil Young
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usenet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:01:19 GMT

Sorry for lack of Dead content, but I figured someone
who reads this will know.....
is Neil Young playing at the Knickerbocker in Albany soon?
I had seen something about it, but.......
Later,
JOe D.
dudasj@rpi.edu

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From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiration, not Deadication
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:25:13 GMT


J-F writes:

|A few which come to mind are Morning Dew (both the Dobson and Rose versions 
|would be nice), Viola Lee Blues, Big River, Death Don't Have No Mercy, 
|Mexicali Blues, Smokestack Lightning, and Wang Dang Doodle.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not a cover, a Weir-Barlow original.

-Jeff Lester

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: Rock The River '92
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:50:58 GMT

*** Rock The River '92 ***
An Original Music Festival

Bands playing:
Dress Left - The G-Men - Mind Over Matter - Why Store

Sunday, August 30, 1992  *  4 - 9 pm  *  $5.00

At the Indianapolis Art League (one block east of College on 67th St)
Food & beverages available * no coolers allowed
All ages welcome - taping is encouraged!

Come on out and say 'hi'; I'll be playing keyboards in the G-Men; see
you there!
From: brust@i5120q.nrl.navy.mil (Joe Brust)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: shave and a haircut
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:12:08 GMT
Organization: NRL

I was jus' wunderin'

What would it do to your show if Jerry came back...

weighing 175?
clean shaven?
with contacts?
with a "regular boys" haircut?
with a flat top?
with a shaved head? 
wearing a suit and tie (one of his of course)?

What if the whole band came back like that?

Ack!

I scared myself.

I think I'd have my eyes closed more than usual.

Then again, maybe some of this has happened before.  I've only been here
five years. :-)

Thoughts?

PS  Saw a good bumper sticker today...

        If the people lead
      The leaders will follow

Later					Joe
-- 
                                        /
Joe Brust                              /
Applied Ocean Acoustics Branch        ///
Naval Research Lab, Code 5124          /
Washington, D.C. 20375                /   fool me once, shame on you
brust@wave.nrl.navy.mil 202-767-2493 /    fool me twice, shame on me
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: Todd Mentions Pedal Steel
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:06:43 GMT

I'd love to see a complete Dead concert from late 1970 that includes
the New Rider's (w/ Garcia on Pedal Steel) set along with an acoustic
and of course the electric Dead sets. This is my favorite period of GD.

The best shows I've ever heard from this time are from Port Chester, NY
Nov 5-6-7-8. Unfortunately, I'm led to understand that there is very
little from this period in the Vault.

The Stonybrook shows (Oct 30-31) have excellent Rider's material in them.
I actually enjoy the Rider's more than the Dead from these particular
shows. These are in wide circulation. Garcia plays some very sweet
Pedal Steel on these tapes.
From: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead reference on kidvid
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:53:29 GMT
Reply-To: cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA



Nickelodion, Sun 23 Aug. "Salute your shorts"
Fabulous jumping frog named "Wharf Rat."

Wrat, are you moonlighting?  Boy, from your postings I never would have
thought you looked like *that* - and that was some 8 1/2 foot jump, too:-)
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