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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:24:30 EST
Organization: Penn State University

 >From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
 >Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
 >Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:19:15 GMT
 >
 > (deleted)
 >
 >Since the Chinese infantry did not carry much food, could this
 >be one reason why they pushed onward to Seoul, ... , to sack
 >the city for its food?

           Probablely.
           But there were more than food there.


 >
 >During the American civil war, General Sherman of the Union army
 >used a similiar tactic in his push through Georgia into Atlanta.
 >Sherman's army also did not carry much food and basically lived
 >off the land it invaded by plundering occupied cities of its
 >foods.
 >(deleted)

       You know,when Lin Biao led his troop to
       Dong1Bei3(Northeast)in name of Zhang1Xue2Seng1
       (Zhang1 Xue2Liang1's brother),
       their slogon was something like
       Da3 Jin4 Sheng3 Yang1 Cheng2,
       1 Ren1 1 Ge4 Yang1 Xue1 Sheng1.
       (beat into SY city, everyone
       is awarded with a modern
       student (girl certainly))

       It's attractive for people then.
       CCP was good at it.

       Finally seemed everyone got
        a new wife/wives( ask Xiaofei the meaning
       of NEW) except LB who still kept the
       old one.


       X Xu
From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:23:25 GMT
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy, Info needed
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china

/ hpsmtc1:soc.culture.china / zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng) /  8:46 am  Nov 12, 1992 /
> The large companies like IBM generally don't hire foreigners, not because
> you are foreigner(or they are discreminating). It's because that will cause
> them a lot of work and money to make you stay in the States legally. I
> received an applying package from IBM. It says they have 1 million applicants
> every year, whereas they only recuite arround 10 thousand a year. In the
> package, there are some forms applicants need to fill out to show he/she can
> stay here legally( e.g. green carder, citizeng, assylum, or your are covered
> under Bush's Order). They are just not short of best applicant.  

That is NOT true.  IBM and just about every large companies hire many immigrants
of all nationalities.  I personally worked for IBM for more than twelve years
right after graduated from graduate school.  I have friends in many large
companies.  Many of them are Chinese from mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and 
many other countries.  It is not more difficult for PRC citizens to find jobs
in this country at all.  It is just bad time to find any job for anyone.  I know
cases PRC students landed jobs with IBM, DEC, HP, Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, and
so on.  You just have to keep at it until you found one to suit you well.  I 
remember that I sent out more than one hundred letters to apply for an entry
level jobs before I was interviewed and hired by IBM.  In fact, my son who is
a second year college student just got an interview with IBM, Endicott where I
started my professional career.  No connections.  Just coincidence.  Good luck.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: Foreign Teachers in China
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:14:52 GMT

In article <17632@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>In 1983 my wife and I taught at the Guangzhou Institute of Foreign Languages.
>The experience is still vivid, and taught us a great deal about our own
>culture and education system as well as those of China.
>
>I'm curious to know whether some of the participants in this newsgroup might
>want to discuss their experiences with foreign teachers during their years as
>students in China. I don't want to direct the discussion, but it would be
>interesting to know what your first impressions were, how you interacted with
>foreign teachers as opposed to Chinese teachers, how the foreign teachers
>responded to conditions in your school, and so on.
>
>Of course I'd also love to hear the experiences of other foreign teachers in
>China, but that's been heavily covered in a whole new genre--books about
>teaching in China keep coming out. Maybe some former foreign teachers might
>want to comment on some of those books...
>
>--
>Crawford Kilian   Communications Department   Capilano College
>North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
>Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
>Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca
>


	Most of them just have fun in China.  They get double holidays (both
Chinese and western holidays).  Very few of them really understand the students'
needs.  They teach materials either too difficult or too easy, clearly without
enough preparations.   Most of them don't have teaching experience.  I
personnally prefer Chinese teachers for courses such as grammer, etc.  Native
speakers are better for courses like speaking English. The opinions are based
on my personal experience at the Peking Languages Institute and may be biased.


JLi
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.020731.19847@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:

[my original question deleted]

>
>No, CMFN can not solve the problem.   If the CMFN promoters have other
>hiden reasons for promoting CMFN, they should show the reasons on public
>also.
>  
>
>Can I ask you a question also ?
>
>If a person knows the person who killed his parent and relatives hides
>in a building and he burns the building for killing the killer for his
>revenge, is the behavours of that person justice ?    The person, who
>have burnt the building, is also a criminal.
>
>
>J Su

	If I am reading the analogy right, I don't think that CMFN is like
burning the building down. It's more like picketing in front of the building.

	The loss of MFN (which I am NOT advocating) is not the catastrophic
disaster that many are making it out to be. No one is starving in China.
Most people have a decent place to live. The standard of living is quite
low, yes, but if it stays where it is, very few people will suffer the
loss of health or life because of it.

	The real suffering in China is due to the corrupt and authoritarian
government as it effects individuals who oppose it.

Mark

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Re: Ma FuBo, Garlic, Small Report
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:50:38 GMT

    In article <101996@bu.edu> (15 Nov 92) Xiaowen Li writes,

> Gen. Ma Yuan, or Ma FuBo, is one of the greatest generals in Chinese
> history, IMHO.
>
> One thing I admire him very much, is the introduction of gallic into
> China from Vietnam.  Well, is it gallic?  This is my question for
> knowledgeable netters.

    I would rather think the Gallic you talk about are pioneer French
colonists :-).  Apparently Ma Yuan is the first Chinese general to fight
against westerners' invasion.

    I was a die-hard Chinese chauvinist in my teens.  I used to wonder,
what was wrong with Chinese?  Why a few hundreds Cossacks were able to
cut chunk after chunk of land for their Tsar, but we even couldn't keep
Vietnam, after ruled them for more than a thousand years?

    Maybe Fubo General would be regarded greater than Geshu Han only if
we were still in Vietnam :-).

> I admire Ma FuBo.  China can survive for 5000 years, basically because
> of this kind of great minds who can both defend and introduce good things
> into China, selflessly.

    I no longer admire his glory in the civil war, in the wars with the
west and south minorities, and in his conquest of Vietnam.  But his wish
to die like a man (and he did), instead of pitifully lay down in the hands
of sons and daughters, still sounds internationally great in this feminist
era :-).


DISCLAIMER: For words like "south minorities", "Vietnam", my trademark --
            "Back-to-the-Future" approach is used :-).
From: PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A funny article in People's Daily
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:12:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Source: People's Daily, 11/17/92

An article titled ``Singing the (PRC) National Anthem'' was published in
People's Daily. The author, a chinese student in Japan, called himself
Du Qiu (the name of the cool detective in a popular Japanese movie ``Pursuit''
--- or in chinese ``Zhui Pu'').  Someday, someone named Hen-Lu-Jin-Er may
publish an article ``Chairman Mao, you are the redsun in my heart'' in the
paper.

The content of that article is full of jokes: He was calling his family in
China on the Oct. 1st, a local call came in. He hang up his family without
finishing the coversation and picked up his friend's call. And then both
of them sang the National Anthem on the phone (if they are not psychoes,
the author must be joking). The words of the Anthem in the article could
only remind me of the demonstrations and killings in Spring, 89.

Overall, I think the article is just another big joke. It is quit entertaining.

Peter
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: dating a guy from China
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:41:27 GMT
    <Nov23.200330.81470@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> 
    <1992Nov23.234958.27614@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:


>We need more easy and relaxed topics like this, and less personal attacks.

I am with you. But I'd like to read the story, not simply the title or topic.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
    <BxzGHy.A90@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Nov19.181118.23559@ms.uky.edu> 
    <By00JF.I8M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:21:54 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>It is understandable if people have no other choice but to work
>20 hrs a day and leave children to grandma, put sick excuse in pocket
>and still work. But the society must be considered very dark and
>should be complained. There is nothing to be proud of.

It is not a problem of "proud of" or "shame of", you should respect people
first, especially when you want people to work for you or support your idea.
If you "shoot" aimlessly at all who happen to be called "Chinese" and shame
them, how do we know you are going to give us a bright society. I don't
like to live in a society where I could be shamed everyday.

>Remember this is the end of 20th century.

>>Few want to send their children to die in the war, but what can you do? This
>>is the world. So, don't blame hard working people.

>What does this have to do with war?

Because that is part of the life of nowadays world. Compared with war, hard
working is not that bad.

>A healthy government make healthy law and encourage people to work
>in a healthy way. A healthy government try to avoid as much as possible
>the war.

That I can't agree more.

>I have donated some money and still do. But I have my children to
>take care of. I don't want to send them to grandma :-).

Well, we will learn from you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai, the helper of Mao
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:17:44 GMT

In article <92Nov19.160145est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu  
(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.180706.20219@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl_@nwu.edu writes:

> >Unfortunately, Mao was the greatest evil in Chinese history. So, what Zhou  
did  
> >was called "Wei4 Hu3 Zuo4 Chang1". 
> >
> >Some people may like Zhou. But not me. I think that he already knew what Mao  
> >did was wrong. But in order to keep his "Wu1 Sha1 Mao4" (position), he kept  
> >licking Mao until he died. He had a lot of choices to leave Mao such as  
> >pretending to be serious ill, which, many high-rank officials used to evade  
> >their emperors in ancient Chinese history. 
> >
> he didn't "licking" Mao, their relationship is also a power struggle,
> but not on the level Mao had with Liu, Peng, and Deng.  Zhou was always
> his own man, his relationship with Mao was very complicated.  
>

True, he was his own man. However he felt insecure in the power struggle and  
thus had to "lick" Mao to evade possible danger. In fact, Mao tried to attack  
him too before CR. Zhou sensed the danger and started to use the strategy to  
show Mao that he was harmless. For some reason Mao let him go.
 
> true, but Zhou concerned much more than his title, that's why I always
> compare him to Di2(or is it Die2?) Ren2 Jie2.  Both of them "assisted"
> dictators, did not stand up everytime when someone innocent of accused of 
> a crime, although they did managed to fair the turmoil well for themselves,
> and managed to save some of the people.  
> 
> I doubt anyone can do better than what those 2 had done, they were
> brilliant men, and they did all they could.  

I have no comment on Mr. Di2. True, Zhou was a very clever man. But because he  
was very clever and for some reason respected by many Chinese then, his  
cooperation with Mao was more destructive. It gave people impression that what  
Mao did was reasonable. Also, Zhou's work as a mediator during the CR actually  
helped Mao in carrying on CR. Without Zhou's help, Mao might have laready  
failed, or CR would not have last that long. So, Zhou's intension might be  
good(to some degree). But good motive does not necessary have good result.

Carl


> >
> >Carl
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:24:09 GMT

In article <9784@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <BxuAFp.GEp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>If you don't believe so, ask yourself: am I manipulated by someone?
>>I am certainly not. Do you mean people who are not CIA, KGB or
>>Chinese National Security are all fools?
>
>Of course not all of them :-)  But some of them ;-)
>
The saddest of all is that some innecent people are being 
manipulated without ever realizing it. Your remarks and actions may
start innecent but play right into hands of politicians.
>
>-- 
>//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: root@netix.com (root@netix.com)
Subject: Shannon Yeh Project, Please READ !!
Organization: Netix Communication, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:10:17 GMT


Apologies from the Shannon Project, Super Computing Center of UCI.
Dear netters,

This apology is especially from those who read soc.culture.china.

A few weeks ago, yeh@netix.com (Mr. Shannon Yeh) posted an 
extremely inappropriate message on the above mentioned newsnet.
A few points below will explain the incident, we hope:

1). Shannon is non-human.  It is the subject of our top research, code 
named shannon.compunaut.ai.uci.   Basically Shannon is a virtual 
Chinese able to communicate in English or Chinese, based 
superficailly on ELISA-like principles, but really much more 
advanced.  It can read both language and understands the true 
meaning through extensive parsing.

2). However, due to our negligence, the mentality programmed into 
Shannon was no longer a Chinese, instead, by mistake, we 
programmed the hybrid mentality of an anonymous Chinese and that
 of a subset of David Duke.  It therefore had immense hatred toward 
any foreign residents, including those of Chinese origin.

3).  The error has now been corrected after the nasty message "F*** 
D.Y.'s xxxx 1 million times" appeared and we took immediate notice.  
Hence you netlanders shall see a substantial improvement in both his 
cognitive skills, composition, logical reasoning, and especially a 
decrease of hatred toward Chinese in general.

4).The project is no longer classified, so root@netix.com will be no
 longer under control by the same subject, that is yeh@netix.com.
Please post your comments in the net, and we will collect all 
suggestions, improvements as to Shannon's verbal skills, logical 
operations etc and implement those that we think deemed proper.

5).  Please do NOT try to reply to this account, as Shannon is still 
occasionally allowed to gain control.  Post it, and Shannon will read 
and possibly implement it directly without our interference, after 
we inject another algorithm into its rudimentary electronic "brain".

We thank you for your attention.

6). If in the future, Shannon post any extreme messages, just ignore 
it, and its positive feedback routine should be subdued and its 
interests in posting in the same subject should be too.


Regards,

Virtually yours,

Supervisor,

the Shannon project.
    -------
Netix Communication, Inc.   


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li)
Subject: Re: MFN
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:30:50 GMT

From article <1992Nov19>by mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha):
> Disastrous is too strong a word in my opinion. And remember that we know
> that the (as you point out very expensive) Cold War tactics did help to 
> cause the totalitarian regime in the USSR to crumble.

The credit goes to people living under the regime; the Cold War
might have helped, but then, may be not.  
 
It's O.K. that the U.S. media or the President-not-elect takes too much credit,
just don't think you should really believe it.

>Plus the threat of human extinction hanging over our heads for 40 years,
>and the destruction of the proxy wars.
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: BOOK ON LORD BUDDHA
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:52:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.By1xMu.KJ5
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1ek3qhINN5eh@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca> kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan) writes:
>sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu wrote:
>: HI ! I AM AN INDIAN AND KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LORD BUDDHA.
>: COULD SOMEBODY SUGGEST ME A GOOD BOOK ON BUDDHA AND HIS TEACHINGS ?
>: PREFERABLY IN ENGLISH. IT SHOULD INCLUDE HIS LIFE FROM CHILDHOOD TILL 
>: NIRVANA AND ALL THE TEACHINGS. THANKS IN ADVANCE
>: SARMA D.RAMALINGA
>: EMAIL :SRAMALIN@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
>: 
>I guess very few people can help you since either they know lord buddha
>but they don't know how to use computer or have access to this group but
>have little knowledge about what you want.
>
>Hopefully I am wrong.
>--
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>


Try soc.culture.taiwan

There may be more buddhists in Taiwan than all of China.
From: ywang1@husc8.harvard.edu (Yongkang Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for WEN Lin-qin of Penn State University
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:28:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


                         Li Jie 

of Department of Earth Science, Harvard University

			Looking for 
			
			WEN Lin-qin 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
of Deparment of Physics, Penn State University


Miss Wen or anyone in Physics Dept. Penn State U. who knows Miss Wen

             Please reply to this Email account, Thank You

Basic Information: 

Miss WEN -- Fujian Native, Graduated from Keda in 1992, Majored in Physics
From: rap@news (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese characters and sorting, collating, etc.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:27:07 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

From article <1992Nov20.024057.8626@netcom.com>, by kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz):
> Certainly if there is some representation, it can be sorted.  My question
> was more on the lines of a representation such that
> 
> o  Rep(c1) < Rep(c2) iff c1 appears before c2 in a standard Chinese dictionary.
> o  Rep(c1) = Rep(c2) iff c1 is the same character as c2.
> 
> It is not clear that this property is satisfied by the various encodings
> I've read about, except for possibly ISO-Unicode.

That's right: it's not satisfied by GB, whose two levels are ordered by
pronunciation and radical/stroke count respectively, or by BIG-5/CNS,
whose two levels are each ordered by stroke count/radical.  But the
ISO/Unicode order is based of radical/stroke count dictionaries.
It uses a merger of 4 dictionaries: Kangxi, a Japanese dictionary, a
Korean dictionary and a PRC (simplified) dictionary, in that order of
priority.  They couldn't use any phonetic order because there was more
than one language involved.  Similarly, though all the other characters
in ISO 10646 have names, like "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A", the hanzi are
just named by their codes: "CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E00", etc.  But if
and when they add new characters, this property will be lost.

> This property is important in databases since database applications
> typically produce reports ordered by text keys like names, etc.
> The ordering used by a DBMS (as opposed to editors or browsers) needs
> to be meaningful to humans as well as computers.

I think you'll find that phonetic ordering is catching on, especially
in PRC, where most dictionaries are now ordered that way, with a
supplementary radical/stroke count index.  But since some characters
have multiple pronunciations, you have record which.

Ross
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A biker ``flies'' over the Great Wall?
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:18:38 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <92321.111516PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>:
> A Taiwanese stunt man planned to ride a bike ``flying'' over the Great Wall
> on the 14th of this month. Anyone out there knows the result?
> 
> Thanks for any answer,
> 
> Peter


I heard that he is from HK (used to be an actor).
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