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From: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray)
Subject: Re:      RE: MIME (E-mail and calendaring recommendations)
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:30:19 GMT

In article <CW-EMAIL%92083112003031@TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX> Simpson Joe <simpson_joe@MSMAIL.MUOHIO.EDU> writes:
>I do take extreme exception to the concept that MIME is a
>requirement at present.  Straight SMTP gateways generally handle enclosures and
>straight text messages.  We find this limitation acceptable at present.

But they handle enclosures in a non-interoperable way.

If you wish to have Internet-wide interoperability for attachments and
multi-media mail, MIME is indeed a requirement now.  If you are content 
to be part of an isolated island of semi-interoperability, the status 
quo without MIME should be just fine :)

Anyone contemplating acquisition of a new mail system should put MIME
very high on the requirements list.  Anyone who has already made a
commitment to a particular mail vendor should be pressuring that vendor
to support MIME as soon as possible.

--
Terry Gray
 University of Washington
  gray@cac.washington.edu
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:11:41 EDT
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From:         Alton Brantley <alton@CIT.HMC.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: MIME (E-mail and calendaring recommendations)
              Sep 4, 92 1:33 pm

I've seen nothing at an open protocol level, but I'd love to get a group
working on it. I'm tired of vendors' solutions.
>
> Speaking of calendaring and ignoring mail, does anyone know of a true cross
> platform calendaring system?  There was a draft RFC for something called the
> CHRONOS protocol, but I have never seen an implementaion.  Is there an
> alternative standard for querring calendar information?
--

B. Alton Brantley, Jr                               alton@cit.hmc.psu.edu
The Milton S. Hershey Medical Center       Penn State College of Medicine
                            Hershey, PA USA 17033
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:33:34 U
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From:         Simpson Joe <simpson_joe@MSMAIL.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: MIME (E-mail and calendaring recommendations)

Speaking of calendaring and ignoring mail, does anyone know of a true cross
platform calendaring system?  There was a draft RFC for something called the
CHRONOS protocol, but I have never seen an implementaion.  Is there an
alternative standard for querring calendar information?
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 13:38:27 EST
From: Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
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Subject: Re: Aliasing
 <1992Sep1.132415.17802@newstand.syr.edu>

I may have missed part of this conversation, but I think Notre Dame is
doing something similar to what John describes.  We've installed a 'qi'
server based on software from the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign to build an e-mail directory for everyone on campus.
Long form e-mail addresses are of the form first.m.Lastname.##@nd.edu.
The "##" is a numeric index based on lastname to ensure uniqueness.  My
index is .1; my wife is .2, and I think we're past .99 on the Smiths.
We use a unique key to try to recognize people who leave the University
and return so that they'll get the same index upon returning.

'qi' works well the the 'ph' clients; we have clients available for
Unix, Mac, VM, MVS, PC-DOS, and probably a couple of other platforms.

Anyway, such e-mail directory systems are becoming more and more common;
we're not exactly leading edge here.  :-) As John suggests, the main
advantage is predictibility.  If you know my name to some degree of
accuracy, you can send mail to me or at least get a choice of e-mail
addresses which might be mine.  If you send to
Dominique.Laflamme@nd.edu, it'll get to me.  If you send to
laflamme@nd.edu, you'll get mail back explaining that this address is
ambiguous, and do you mean Dominique.P.Laflamme.1 or Joan.M.Laflamme.2?
(It used to work until my wife started working here.)

I'm only peripherally related to this project, but if someone needs more
details on how to get such a service started, feel free to contact me
and I'll try to get you better contact information.

Nick
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From:         Alan Thew <thewa@LIVERBIRD.LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE:E-mailing to [JANET]
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In Message Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:45:36 GMT,
  Dave Lister <pjm6z@KELVIN.SEAS.VIRGINIA.EDU> writes:

>
>I'm sorry if this is not the right forum for this query but I got an
>e-mail address of a friend in the UK and she is accessable through
>[JANET].  I have been told that this is the UK Internet.  Does anybody
>know how I would send an e-mail message to someone from regular
>Internet access here in the US.  Please e-mail any responses.
>
JANET is not the UK internet but is a separate network. It does however
offer an IP service (which probably sounds a bit confusing :-)). The point
I'm making is that if a site is on JANET, it is not necessarily on the
Internet.

Addressing for a janet site is of the form

user@janet-site.ac.uk

(see my From: field)


      Alan Thew : The University of Liverpool Computer Laboratory
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:02:42 +0200
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From:         Bert Stals <Bert.Stals@SURFNET.NL>
Subject:      Re: Aliasing
              26 Aug 92 07:56:00 -0700.
              <"survis.sur.253:26.07.92.14.59.39"@surfnet.nl>

        Hi,

==> From: khatri%PCMAIL.INRE.ASU.EDU@TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX

> We've acquired PMDF v4.1 and need to make some decisions concerning
> mailbox aliases before implementing a campus-wide postoffice.
>
> We're planning to have a pseudo-domain ASU.EDU and a pseudo-node ASU (for
> BITnet) for the entire university.
>
> We're thinking about automatically assigning each person with an e-mail
> account an Internet alias, e.g., Shah_Khatri.  Should we use periods instead
> of underscores?  What if we have two people with the same name?  Do we use
> middle names or numbers to distinguish between them?

1: Do not use underscores. You probably plan to communicate with
"everyone" so also with X.400 users. The underscore is a pain in X.400,
like the space in X.400 is a pain in RFC-822.

2: You could give people names like:
  Robert.Pirsig@..... or Robert.m.g.p.Persig@...
  That gives you a lot of opportunity to distinguish between people
  with the same name. And it it nice als you look at communicating with
  X.400 because RFC-822<-->X.400 gateway translates this in:
  I=mpg         (Initials=)
  g=Robert      (Given name)
  s=Pirsig      (Surname)
  You should not try to do al the filtering in the user part: if you
take in the domain part of the adress a part of the organisation, than
this will also help you a lot.

        John.vanDijk@cc.asu.edu
        John.vanDijk@cs.asu.edu

are definitely different people. Of course you can have people with
completely the same name in the same department. Bad luck!.

>
> Also, we don't know if we should also automatically assign a BITnet alias,
> e.g., IDSAK.  There are some advantages of having only one alias for both
> Internet and BITnet, e.g., SKhatri, but we'd like our aliases to be
> descriptive and that's not always possible with 8 characters.

Bitnet-names usually refer to the login-name. This login-name has
NOTHING to do with proper email adressing!
>
> We'd be much obliged if you made any comments regarding this subject.  Thank
> you for your support.
>
>   Shahjehan Khatri
>   Khatri@PCMAIL.INRE.ASU.EDU
>   IDSAK@ASUACAD

        Kind regards,
                Bert Stals
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:35:45 EDT
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From:         "Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support,
              x8425" <tillman@SWDEV.SI.COM>
Subject:      POP server for VMS
X-To:         TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX!CW-EMAIL@esseye.si.com

I've heard a lot about POP mail.  Is there a server (SMTP/POP) for VMS?

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |
 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129    | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
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From: jmwobus@newstand.syr.edu (John M. Wobus)
Subject: Re:      Re: Aliasing
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:24:14 EDT

In article <"survis.sur.724:27.07.92.07.02.45"@surfnet.nl>,         Bert Stals <Bert.Stals@SURFNET.NL> writes:
|>         Hi,
|> 
|> ==> From: khatri%PCMAIL.INRE.ASU.EDU@TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX
|> 
|> > We've acquired PMDF v4.1 and need to make some decisions concerning
|> > mailbox aliases before implementing a campus-wide postoffice.
|> >
|> > We're planning to have a pseudo-domain ASU.EDU and a pseudo-node ASU (for
|> > BITnet) for the entire university.
|> >
|> > We're thinking about automatically assigning each person with an e-mail
|> > account an Internet alias, e.g., Shah_Khatri.  Should we use periods instead
|> > of underscores?  What if we have two people with the same name?  Do we use
|> > middle names or numbers to distinguish between them?

Even more interesting is if you have one person who gets used to his/her
e-mail address (e.g. Sandy.Smith), and has it printed on his/her business
card and his/her friends put that name in their personal directories,
then someone else joins the organization who has the same name.  Do you
start making the first person use an initial?  Does the first person
get priority?  For any organization with 1000+ people, this is a practical
problem rather than a theoretical one, but of course it can strike just
about any organization.

My solution so far has been to encourage the use of site-wide standard usernames
assigned as people arrive (e.g. ssmith, with ssmith2 or ssmit for the second
person who arrives with the same name) and try to provide all the
online-directory services possible to help people look them up by name.
But then not all online-directory software handles non-unique names in an
intelligent way... Sigh

John Wobus
Syracuse University
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From:         Simpson Joe <simpson_joe@MSMAIL.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject:      MIME vs. X.400

I have a question for the group concerning richer mail functionality than SMTP.

It seems to me that X.400 and MIME are competitors here.  MIME appears to have
the advantage that it actually works fairly well.  My opinion of X.400 is that
it is not completely interoperable at this time due to vendor implementation
issues.  X.400 is presumed to be an OSI direction that we will all want to
follow in the long term.  If it is actually going to get here there is a lot of
synergysm.

Do we want to ask vendors to supply MIME compliant products or X.400 compliant
products?  I'm a bit uncomfortable asking for MIME compliance if I'm going to
turn aroung and ask for X.400 (again) next year?

What should we encourage?  Will X.400 ever deliver on the promise?
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:57:14 U
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From:         Simpson Joe <simpson_joe@MSMAIL.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: E-mail and calendaring recommendations

I don't know of any MIME compliant SMTP gateways for MsMail or Quickmail
environment.  I do take extreme exception to the concept that MIME is a
requirement at present.  Straight SMTP gateways generally handle enclosures and
straight text messages.  We find this limitation acceptable at present.
Of course the first rule of computing is "More is always better, Even when it's
not."  :-)
In article <CW-EMAIL%92082112354422@TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX>
IADHRH@ASUACAD.BITNET (Hank Harken) writes:
> CE Software's Quickmail runs on various platforms, and there are gateways
> included or from 3d parties that link it to other mail systems.
If the SMTP gateway for QuickMail (or any other package) does not do MIME,
it is basically useless in a multiplatform environment where internet
protocols are the standard on the "backbone" for the campus.

Does anyone know if any of the PCmail or MacMail packages with SMTP gateways
support MIME?


--
Stan           internet: sob@bcm.tmc.edu         Director, Networking
Olan           uucp: rutgers!bcm!sob             and Systems Support
Barber         Opinions expressed are only mine. Baylor College of Medicine
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The University of Texas at Arlington Academic Computing Services
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Never mind...  Digital has the wrong part.  We'll do it later.

                                   Sorry for the waste of bandwidth,

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Before 50  people ask me: the  reason this message is  getting through at
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Comments:     Originally-From: Craig Kolthoff <CRAIG@UMIAMI>
From:         Larry Snodgrass <SNODGRAS@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Link restoration

Forwarded update on UMIAMI.
Larry
_______________________________________________________________________
The COLORADO-UMIAMI link was restored 27 Aug and the UMIAMI-BARRYU
link was restored 29 Aug.   We are still having problems restoring
the UMIAMI-UMMDMR link and are working on restoring this link as soon
as possible.

The link to ECUAFUN is to as best my knowlege through a satellite center
near Homestead, Florida and was pretty extensively damaged.  Last news
was that they were coming close to repairing the facilities so hopefully
they will be up soon.

Craig Kolthoff
University of Miami
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