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From: EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton")
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Fat Tire Festival
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:03:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9207231603.AA24426

Can someone supply me some information with some information on the Moab
Fat Tire festival held during Halloween week.


John Easton                           ----  ___@      "What this world
                                    ---- __T\  \_      needs is a few
(408) 281-5142 (ofc)               ---- /  \_>/  \     more rednecks" CDB
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: funny stretch pants
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:42:22 GMT

sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:

>In article <23JUL199222120733@iago.caltech.edu> lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:
>> In the 'morning briefing' of the sports section of the LA Times of Sunday, 
>>July 19 is a reprint of some comments by
>> Mark Purdy of the San Jose Mercury News:
>> "The Tour de France bicycle race should be realigned onto the Santa Monica
>>Freeway - during rush hour. We would definitely see how many of those guys
>	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>in the funny stretch pants are real men."
 
>getting anywhere at much of any speed.  Y'know, just once, I love to see
>some football jock like John Amway, er Elway, ride a stage in _any_ pro
>bike race.  The results could be quite amusing.

Wouldn't it be more interesting to put Mark Purdy in the middle of the
Santa Monica Freeway by himself on a bike in funny stretch pants?
Uh-huh!
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Organization: York University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:40:46 GMT

les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
|>Later on a motorcycle lobbyist group showed numbers that revealed that
|>ridership was down 40%-60% and that fatalities were actually up from
|>last year. So the California experience has been that the motorcycle
|>industry has been greatly injured and the public safety has actually
|>lost ground.

|Thomas H. Kunich writes:
|Right, this proves that wearing a motorcycle helmet increases your
|chance of dying in an accident.  Never mind that this is undiluted
|bullshit.

 No, it points out a pair of very non-nice phenomena:
	1) the helmet wearers were the people who weren't scared 
	   away by the restrictions (an interesting selction effect (:-()
	2) the interpretation of a significant number of these
	   people was ``I've got a helmet, I'm safe... ZOOOOOOM!''

  It proves that imposing a new, widely enforced law has side-effects.
In this case the side effects happened to be counterintuitive, and
very disappointing to the people who wanted the law as a safety measure.
  Oddly enough, the legislators didn't seem concerned about the
loss of public safety: they dismissed it as irrelevant.

--dave




-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@Nexus.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | Stupidity is evil waiting to happen.
CANADA. 416-223-8968  |               -- Clay Bond
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hub bearings
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:12:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul26.181257.14184
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 3702@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP, jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:
>Dear Rec.bicycles:
>
>	I just got my new wheelset today from Nashbar for my MTB project.
..
>customer service.  No problem!  The 32's were IN STOCK!  Anyway, the hub
>axels seem kind of tight.  The rear hub is VERY tight.  Are these axels
>supposed to be used this way, or should I adjust them?  I have heard about
>running new hubs a little tight to "bed in" the new bearings and races.  Is
>this the reason that these hubs are tight?  Please advise!!!!  Thanks!
Do NOT ride these hubs before adjusting them!!!!  Do NOT run them "a little
tight to 'bed in' the bearings".  This will RUIN the cones and possibly
damage the races in the hubs.  A properly adjusted quick release hub
will have some play when the hub is not on the bicycle.  As you tighten the
quick release while mounting the wheel into the frame, the play should
just barely disappear.

It really bugs me when the manufacturer builds a reasonable quality product,
and then ships it "ready to use", but in such a state that if you use it it
will be destroyed.  What a waste!

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: A TdF Trivia Question
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:23:24 GMT
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Originator: lisap@olomana

In this year's Tour there are 5 previous Tour winners (Fignon,
Lemond, Roche, Delgado & Indurain).  Were there ever any more
than that? 

Just curious...

Lisa Petersen
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Subject: Re: indoor trainers
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:44:08 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <168321030F.RONEAL@lexmark.com> RONEAL@lexmark.com writes:

>These things will flat wear you out!  You can *never* coast more than 2
>seconds.  And you sweat like a horse... the fan helps though.  One thing
>to watch... you might want to put down an old blanket under the rollers.
>That way if you come off of them your tires won't burn the carpet.

Not only that, but the rollers (at least my PVC ones) will tend to take
some of the rubber off of the tires, depositing them onto the towel.  A
towel is much easier to clean than a carpet.
-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                   | My nomination for rec.gambling motto:
 Vmark Software, Inc.          |  "WTH?  HODYGTV, A?  AIR?
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com         |     - Timothy Whalen (twhalen@nunki.usc.edu)
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:08:32 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

In article <1992Jul20.101051.7656@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Well, Greg Lemond has quit the Tour, and I for one will not miss him. I was
>getting a bit fed up with all his whinging about not feeling to good on one
>day, then saying he felt great the next (the day he and Chiapucci stole just
>over a minute). You don't here people like Roche or Chiapucci complaining.
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
I will miss him.  I don't think it's whining when you say you're tired when
you are asked how you feel.  What's he supposed to say?!?  The TdF is an
INCREDIBLY HARD race.  I'm continually amazed that humans are able to finish
it much less excel day after day.  I wish him better luck next year.

In case he wants me to coach him next year :-) I would suggest he might 
want to gain more weight this winter and shed it more slowly.  That 
seemed to work in '88 and '89.  These last two years he's been much fitter 
earlier and his performance has suffered in the Tour.  Note that the big
climb that he exploded on Saturday he climbed without apparent difficulty,
in the front group, just two weeks earlier in the Tour of Switzerland.

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM, USA
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour de France:  Andy Hampsten?
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan) writes:
>Did anyone out there notice Andy's bike?
>I could swear it looked like that he was using the STI brake/shift lever for
>the rear, but he had a standard aero brake lever for the front.....

>If what I saw is true, does anyone have an opinion why he set up his bike
>that way.....just wondering......

    Weight?  STI levers are heavy compared to a standard down tube shifter.

    Reliability?  Why have the extra cable and complexity.

    Who shifts the front anyway?  Most racers pick a chainwheel and 
fine tune with the rear.  Andy probably does 400 rear shifts in a race 
but only 10 front shifts.

Tim Smith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mfaison@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Michele Faison)
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:46:46 GMT

If you order by mail, return items by mail as well!

Nashbar stores are not nearly as well stocked as I had hoped
after seeing the catalog.  I know this isn't the question, but
I live about 2 hours from a Nashbar outlet, so I ordered from
the catalog and returned the numerous non-fitting items directly to the
store when I was in the D.C. area.  Big mistake.  The stock
numbers for store and catalog mdse are completely different,
and I don't think the store sales help is equipped in any
capacity to handle refunds.  After a lengthy procedure, they
finally calculated the amount of the return--I was totally
confused by this time--and I got my refund only to find when I
readded my original shipping slip (after I got home, of course)
and subtracted the items returned, I had been shorted about 
$25...I couldn't tell from the return voucher which items had 
been accounted for, and there was no item or combination of 
items (even with shipping) which precisely matched the amount 
of the error.  

To Nashbar's credit, they made good on the additional
amount owed at my next visit to the store.  However, from 
now on, I will return by mail!

(I have not had problems like this with REI or Performance, and
I like the quality of REI's Novarra house brand clothes better
than other store's private labels)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:01:22 GMT

In <p-lm9mf.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>Paul, if you read all of the reported stories about the accident
>yyou will find that the driver was probably drunk and switched
>his headlights off to try and drive the road in the dark. In the
>process of doing this he crossed over the centerline and struck the
>bicycle rider.

A deliberate criminal act.  Not an accident.

>Criminal? Yes. Stupid? Yes. Should he be heavily sentenced? Absolutely!!!
>His actions of leaving a broken and bleeding accident victim to die
>from his injuries should put him in prison for decades, not years.

>But this was _clearly_ an accident.

Nonsense.  No one *ever* finds himself drunk behind the wheel of a
motor vehicle by accident.  I don't accept the definition "accident ==
anything done by a motorist that causes property damage or injury".

--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Suggestions: SPD pedals or Front Shocks upgrade?
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:50:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <21511@sybase.sybase.com>, larryb (Larry Bernstein) writes:
>
> I'm trying to decide which would be a better choice for the money
> for the maximum performance increase. Being a rode rider whose used
> to clipless pedals, I've been leaning toward putting the SPD
> pedals on my mountain bike. However, I've been hearing more and
> more of the advantages of front shocks.

First of all, I don't use clipless pedals because I do occasional
'epic' rides involving a fair amount of 'hike-a-bike'ing and on
these rides I like to wear my HiTech boots (not SPD-compatible :-)
Approaching mountain biking from a hiking background, I see it as
a way of extending my hiking radius (as well as adding adrenaline
thrills, increasing the frequency of my wilderness (used loosely)
experiences, meeting more people, etc.)

I regularly ride in 6 to 20 person groups out of a pool of about
50 people I ride with on a semi-regular basis and another 100 on a
not-so-regular basis. Occationally I go with smaller groups (down to
solo) and larger groups (I think 500 was max). All ability levels.
All with various approaches to the sport. Of my regular riding group,
most have pretty established opinions on their equipment.

My observation has been that people generally tend to be 'ready' for
SPDs and suspension about the same time. The more casual riders (such
as myself) tend to go to suspension earlier and the more serious riders
or racers tend to go to clipless earlier. Most of the roadies or
ex-roadies go clipless before they get suspension. Clipless pedals
seem to do more good for people that are already fast and have good
technical skills.

Regarding suspension, the differences between the two leaders is
pretty well established so I'll touch only briefly on them.

Rock Shox: Pressurized air shock absorption with oil damping.
Manitous: "Rubber bumper" shock absorption with nylon bushing damping.

Rock Shox  work well for faster, staminaed riders and big bumps.
Manitous   work well for slower riders and smaller bumps such as fire
   road wash board.

Rock Shox  work best on the roughest 1/4 of off-road riding conditions.
Manitous   work best on the smoothest 3/4 of off-road conditions.

Rock Shox  are preferred by riders who "don't want suspension".
Manitous   are referred by riders who want the comfort of suspension
   to be active over a broader range.

Rock Shox  are virtually unridable under air or oil seal failure.
Manitous   are still very ridable under complete failure (bumper
   disintegration).

Rock Shox require more frequent maintenance or air pressure and oil
   seals.
Manitous  have lower (almost no) maintenance.


Rock Shox will 'save yer ass' if you frequently ride on the ragged edge.
Manitous  will make all your riding more comfortable and safe.

  --scott
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber)
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:25:27 GMT

The main reason to put you bike on a diet is if you've trained so much that
you can't cut any more time off of your race, unless you cut weight.  I'm
not one of those people, but I know a few amature racers that are to that 
point.  I personally, like to train with the heavier stuff and then race 
with less junk attached to my bike.  For instance, I carry my big Zefal
double shot for fun training rides, and my mini Zefal for the races.


Jason Weber
weber@cerl.cecer.army.mil | If an armpit is a pit under the arm, what's a
jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | cockpit???????
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Behemoth
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:47:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Jul25.171206.24804@cis.ohio-state.edu> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>The internet address for Behemoth is:
>
>WORDY@bike.lab.sun.com
>
>He's also on GEnie network and America on Line as WORDY.
>You can read stories about histravels and technical updates ...
>when you contact these boards.*
>
>

This address must not be right. It got bounched back.

Flip

-- 
    __@  __@        Phillip "Flip" Russell                 | Purdue University
  _-\<, -\<,_       flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu                | West Lafayette, IN
 (_)/---|/-(_)      "We don't have enough power captain!!!"|
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:50:37 GMT

Thomas Kunich writes:

> Paul, if you read all of the reported stories about the accident
> you will find that the driver was probably drunk and switched
> his headlights off to try and drive the road in the dark. In the
> process of doing this he crossed over the centerline and struck the
> bicycle rider.
>
> But this was _clearly_ an accident.

I think you are being far too generous with the assumption of intentions.
My experience with drivers who express such feelings as "there's spandex
and meat on my car" have a different evaluation.  On two occasions such
bicycle hating drivers in macho vehicles attempted to run over me.  It was
not just a suspicion of mine because I was riding on a straight, wide, two
lane road, wide enough for four lanes.  Because there was debris on the
shoulder I rode near the edge stripe.  In the last moment I sensed that
the loud all terrain tires were getting too close so I swerved onto the
shoulder. The pickup truck passed me with its tire on the line that I had
ridden at high speed.  There was no way that the vehicle could have missed
had I not swerved.  The pickup truck blasted on by without the slightest
change in speed or position.

I have had opportunities to talk to such people.  They say that bicycles
don't belong on the road and that they aren't going to weave all over the
road to avoid bicyclists.  One time a number of us rode by some of these
types who were drinking beer near the roadside.  When they saw us they
said "look, victims, lets get rolling" and other such self indicting jive.

Anolik's attacker said, "don't mention this, they'll never know" (who did
it and why).  My incidents were also without witnesses as this one was.
I even suspect that if Mark Anolik had suspected the intentions of the
driver, he might have dived off the road.  I say this because the car did
not go off the road.  Just thinking about this can give you paranoia about
the next approaching car.  I am certainly wary of single approaching cars
when I am all alone after my two close calls.

To call this incident and accident is not justified by the evidence given
by any account, and there were several exhaustive ones when it happened.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: mjk@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Jane Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Touring in Nova Scotia
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:28:16 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Hey,

A while back I posted asking for info on touring in Belgium and France and
received lots of grate mail from netfolks.  I saved all of the info and hope
to use it, but those plans have fallen through.  SO... looks like we are
heading to Nova Scotia for two weeks in the middle of August.  We got plenty
of brochures and booklets from the tourism agency and they are most helpful.
My SO and riding partner has been around Prince Edward Is. and parts of SW
NS.  We are hoping to spend a lot of time on Cape Breton Island.  Particularly
in the Highlands National Park.  I only have one picture of the Cabot Trail
there, and those hills look pretty big :-}  

Basically if anyone has the time to offer me some personal information, I
would really like to hear from you.  This is my first long tour and I am 
getting really psyched.   

Thanks in advance!!
M.J. Kelly
scarletbegonias@cmu.edu

P.S.  (I'll be able to share my experiences as far as touring on a Mt. Bike
when I get back.  I'd prefer to have the touring bike, but no extra $$$)
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Reflections on that Incredible Day At L'Alpe D'Huez
Date: 24 Jul 1992 07:56:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

Here is an interesting tidbit that happened on that magical day
at L'Alpe D'Huez that you probably won't read anywhere, but is worth
relating.

After each stage of the TdF(TIOOYK) there is about a 1/2 hour TV program,
sort of like a US talk show where the key riders of the day's stage
are interviewed.  Of course, Andy was being interviewed by the show
when his girlfriend, Linda, popped up in the crowd.  Andy saw her
and turned to the interviewer and said, "Pardon", excused himself and
went over to Linda and gave her a big hug and a kiss.  He returned to
the interview and the interviewer asked him who that was.  Andy explained
that it was his girlfriend and that he was suprised to see her because
she was supposed to be watching him on the 2nd to last pass of the stage,
the Croix de Fer(how Linda got from there to L"Alpe is a great story,
but not for the net!), and not at L'Alpe D'Huez.

Andy remarked that if he had known that Linda was waiting for him
on the L'Alpe, he would not have gone with the attack on the Croix de Fer,
but would have waited to make his move in front of her on L'Alpe D'Huez!

Obviously, Andy was joking, but I thought it was a great story!!!!

Way to go Andy!

Bruce
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Computer Question
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul31.000546.27377
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 1@mdcbbs.com, royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics) writes:
>    I got a great deal on a CATEYE Solar last fall.  It turns out that
>    maybe it wasn't such a great deal after all: it died the other day. 
The battery is dead.  The solar power feature was supposed to make
the battery last longer, but it doesn't.  It may even last less long.
You can (allegedly) use an SR44 battery in it.  The SR44 will not
recharge, but the voltage applied by the solar cell during the
chargin cycle should be low enough to not damage the battery.  The
SR44 is easier to find, costs less, and lasts about as long as
its rechargeable cousin.


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:47:41 GMT

coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox) writes:

>.....  The redesignation of a sidewalk to pedestrian/bicycle path is
>quite easy (except for local interest groups).
>
Those 'local interest groups' almost always include cyclists.  Sidewalks as 
bike paths are always dangerous for cyclists.  They are, however, in the inter-
est of motorists (including those who ride bikes only on sunny summer weekends 
and refuse to learn how to ride safely, they also feel obliged to as during the 
rest of the week, when they drive cars, they want cyclists off 'their' roads).
The problem I have with so many of these bicycle initiatives is that they too
often make things worse for cyclists.  You Ontarian cyclists are going to have 
to work hard to make sure that the 'improvements' you get don't make things 
worse than they were before.  It may not need saying but be especially warry of 
the 'help' of the Canadian Automobile Association and their provinicial branch, 
they are constantly, quietely, and (often) effectively pushing to get bikes off 
of the road.

>-- 
>Michael H. Cox      | ". . . but there is some hope of a constitutional
>                    |  settlement"  Monty Python 1971
>Mitel Corporation   | "My Canada includes Alberta, B.C., P.E.I., N.S., N.B.,
>                    | Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, Sask., Yukon, Nfld, and N.W.T."

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta