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From: pls@cibecue.az05.bull.com (Paul Schauble)
Subject: Solaris as a server
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems, Inc., Phoenix Product Division
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 19:15:15 GMT

About time to change the subject line. This is a continuation of the discussion
on Dell unix and what version they use for a base.

I'm in the design phases for assembling a system whose primary use will be as
a server to other machines connected via modem. 

As I read the Solaris announcement, its focues is as a graphics oriented OS
for a single-user desktop machine. It is therefore not appropriate for the
system I'm designing, which will have lots of remote usere and no local users.

Is this correct?

    ++PLS

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From: vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,biz.comp.telebit.netblazer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:23:35 GMT
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1993Jan10.142249.5913jp@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>
>The best bet in using the Netblazer for dialup IP is to ignore the first
>two ports as they are built into the board and are standard AT serial
>ports. The 8-port cards are Digiboard PC/8e's. You can take one out of
>the box and plug it into your Netblazer and it will work fine. There are
>instructions in the Netblazer manual on how to set the dip switches. 

Is there any way to put a DigiBoard PC/8e in a KA9Q NOS box?

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From: cpcahil@vti.com (Conor P. Cahill)
Subject: Re: slip netmask ifconfig up
Organization: Virtual Technologies Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:19:00 GMT

larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>I'm running SVR4 release 4.0

>and slip (as sl0)

>where is the "ifconfig sl0 .... up" statement located in my
>configuration files?  I had to manually add it to /etc/inet/rc.inet
>using netmask in order to use the route add default .... statement --
>but the default OS came with the ifconfig "sl0" up and I can't find where that
>comes from --

If I remember correctly (and how can anyone forget) you are running DELL's
SVR4.  DELL's slipattach command does all of the network setup for the
slip connection including the ifconfig, slink, etc (and slipdetach 
undoes all of this). 

To do your ifconfig, you need to call it after you have slipattached.  We
have an S50slip file in /etc/rc3.d which includes the following
lines:

        /usr/sbin/slipattach tty01 iti-gw iti2 38400
        /usr/sbin/ifconfig sl0 iti-gw iti2 netmask 0xffffffe0

I can't remember if we created S50slip, or if the OS did.


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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Will Dell load off a Wangdat DAT?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1993Jan05.235754.15744@catfish.az05.bull.com>, pls@cibecue.az05.bull.com (Paul Schauble) writes:

| I've seen it stated that Dell both WILL and WILL NOT move to SVR4.2? Is 
| there any official word?

Both are correct. Two people in Dell have assured my that they will not
be going to 4.2 for their base of "Dell UNIX." However, Dell is planning
on offering Solaris when it's ready, and possibly Destiny 4.2 also. They
offer SCO now, so there's no reason to limit the offerings.

| 
| BTW, what's the word on Dell supporting CD-ROM? That's an essential for my
| project?
| 
|     ++PLS
| 

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Solaris as a server
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:33:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>One of
>the principle reasons for the transition from BSD in Solaris 1.0.1 to SYSVR4
>in Solaris 2.x is to support multiprocessor server-class machines.

Presumably you don't mean by the above that the change was to add MP
support to the kernel, 'cuz that *wasn't* one of the reasons - huge
chunks of the Solaris 1.x kernel don't particularly look like the BSD
kernel (including the MP support in 1.0.1 and 1.1), and, from what
people I know at SunSoft say, huge chunks of the Solaris 2.x kernel
don't particularly look like the SVR4 kernel (I don't think their MP
support is the same as the USL MP support).
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:11:34 GMT

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

>If you can find a driver for the board, certainly ;-)

I was told that morningstar is working on a SCSI product which
will support up to a T1 on a SCSI buss under Dell 2.2



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: corey@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.c.brown)
Subject: WINDOWS 3.1 UNDER UNIX?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:43:04 GMT
Keywords: Dos emulator?


	Can someone please clear this issue up. I have heard
	several things (market dribble) about UNIXWARE being
	able to run WINDOWS 3.1 under UNIX. Is this for real??
	Is it seamless?? Or is this just another gotcha
	with DOS emulators running in an Xterm???

	I am sure the world is interested. It would REALLY
	be neat if we could run WINDOWS apps under an X
	interface in a seamless fashion much like OS/2 has
	done...

	Anybody have experience with this??


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From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: MEMORY? WHAT MEMORY!
Keywords: ESIX 4.0.4 and available memory
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:44:08 GMT

corey@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.c.brown) writes:

>Can I put ESIX 4.0.4 on a diet?? I have 8 MEG of memory on my
>386/33 clone and seem to be running short of memory. In multi-

Dell comes with setcfg which removes lots of extra stuff 
from the kernel -- thus increasing the about of memory..



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,biz.comp.telebit.netblazer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Netblazer
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:00:30 GMT

I currently attach via SLIP over a leased line using v.32bis/v.42bis
modems from a Dell machine (on my end) into a smartport on a Telebit Netblazer.

Would I see any significant increase in throughput using this same
physical connection (v.32bis/v.42bis) but replacing the Dell SLIP
with a Netblazer on my end -- and connecting my machines via ethernet
to the Netblazer?

I assume this would give me the ability to support PPP/CSLIP since
my connection would be Netblazer-Netblazer -- what would PPP buy me
over traditional SLIP (our feed is basically for smtp/nntp traffic,
with ftps,telnets,rlogins used infrequently)..


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From: ovhe@ki.icl.se (Ove Hedin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Access Control Lists on SVR4.2 ???
Summary: acl
Keywords: acl
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:31:22 GMT
Organization: ICL Data AB, Sweden

I there anyone out there that knows the status of Access Control Lists in
future/current releases of SVR4 ??? 



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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,biz.comp.telebit.netblazer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <C0I42H.23D@news.rn.com>, larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

| Can the NB support 2 56700 baud modems going full blast on the
| stock 2 serial ports on the motherboard?

Answer 1: probably, if they're com1 and com2
Answer 2: who cares, use SAS

I have a copy of SAS I got from Dell, and a copy of ESIX ppp I'm going
to try this weekend. I'll let you know how they work!
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From: mxs70@ccc.amdahl.com (Matthias Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: ESIX 4.0.3 and NE1000 / NE2000 / UB NIUpc
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: mxs70@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hi all out there,
i have ESIX 4.0.3 running. Since I do NOT have an Ethernet card that is
supported by ESIX internally (Everex cards, WD EtherCard Plus, pc586) BUT
I have some NE 1000, a NE 2000 and Ungerman-Bass NIUpc I wonder if there
are any drivers around for one (or more) of these cards.
Does anyone know where to obtain drivers for these cards for ESIX 4.0.3 ?
Any help is greatly appreaciated.
Matthias
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From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Will Dell load off a Wangdat DAT?
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:49:24 GMT
	<PCG.93Jan2215529@decb.aber.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan03.061458.8353@catfish.az05.bull.com>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 3 Jan 93 06:14:58 GMT, pls@cibecue.az05.bull.com (Paul Schauble) said:

pls> (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:

pcg> (Paul Schauble) said:

pls> I know The Net has praised Dell Unix and Dell support. But this
pls> really makes me wonder how they would be AFTER they've gotten my
pls> money.

pcg> That's why you want Dell -- given that most support organizations
pcg> are awful (and theirs is one of the least awful, *if you get ot
pcg> their Unix people*), you want the most robust and well engineered
pcg> system, and their SVR4 product is about that. What is important is
pcg> to avoid needing support.

pls> High praise indeed, and you're not the only one.

Well, I was just trying to provide Larry with some rest in his pro-Dell
activity. It must be tiring to sing hymn on Dell's Unix all day.
:-) :-) :-)

pls> BTW, I though Dell was SysV 4.2. An earlier post leads me to
pls> believe that they aren't up to 4.2 and don't intend to be. What are
pls> they really?

As of now their 2.2 product is a SVR4.0.4, with DOSmerge 2.2.

They have stated on these very screens that they will surely offer
Solaris 2.x in the future, alongside SVR4.0.4, and maybe even SVR4.2.

We all hope they will get an SVR4.2 product once SVR4.2 has become even
more stable.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,biz.comp.telebit.netblazer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:46:18 GMT

Would VJ compression with SLIP be benificial even if you
have hardware compression (v.42bis?).  If so, how much?

Just wondering --


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From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:22:57 GMT

merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:

>>Can the NB support 2 56700 baud modems going full blast on the
>>stock 2 serial ports on the motherboard?

>try pulling the case off and seeing of the UARTs are 16550's.

>i would suspect so.

but does their code use the FIFO in the 550A if installed in a slot?

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Dell Support Decreasing?
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:05:17 GMT

bobm@boo.uucp (Bob Marrow) writes:

>That's because if all the Unix support lines are busy, you get shunted
>to the regular support queue.  There's no way to get off of that.

Not I.  I call support, ask specifically for Unix support then turn
on the speaker phone.  Wait times vary from 2-4 minutes to 20.  I have
never waited more than 20-30 minutes.

You can always send email to support@dell.com, and they usually will
follow up in a day or so.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,biz.comp.telebit.netblazer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu)
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Organization: Bose Corporation
	<1993Jan10.142249.5913jp@tygra.Michigan.COM> <C0o76E.5K3@ddsw1.mcs.com>
	<C0oBxC.Bvr@news.rn.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:55:19 GMT


	I don't know the difference between the classic and st.  What is it?


The ST uses a 4" high PC case and has only 3 horizontal ISA slots vs the
more conventional configuration of the classic. Except for the limited
expandability of the ST the 2 are functionally identical.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sysv386
From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Subject: Re: slip netmask ifconfig up
Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
Organization: Tim Evans
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:27:25 GMT

larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>I'm running SVR4 release 4.0

>and slip (as sl0)

>where is the "ifconfig sl0 .... up" statement located in my
>configuration files?  I had to manually add it to /etc/inet/rc.inet
>using netmask in order to use the route add default .... statement --
>but the default OS came with the ifconfig "sl0" up and I can't find where that
>comes from --

Dell's 'slattach' process does the ifconfig at the time the link comes
up.  If your SLIP link is DELL <-> DELL, it all happens automatically
when the link is brought up.  If, however, your link is DELL ->
something else, you need to manually ifconfig the interface; I use
a little script (the "NNN" IP addresss is the local system and the
"RRR" is the remote):

#!/bin/sh
ifconfig sl0 NNN.NNN.NNN.N RRR.RRR.RRR.R netmask 255.255.255.0 up
route add default remotehost 1

Finally, if your link is brought up by the remote dialing into your
local, Dell's slattach is automatically run after login and the
interface is ifconfiged, too, even if the remote is not a Dell
system.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,biz.comp.telebit.netblazer,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Netblazer
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:15:11 GMT

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

>It has ------- a SERIAL BOARD in it with two 16550s in it!

Ok, so my question is answered.  Thanks -- is that Netblazer going
on ddsw1 (some of your users mentioned that ddsw1 should be on
the internet "real soon now")?

>(I've used more than 200 of the "classic" models, and a few of the STs.  The
>ST is a nice box, but doesn't have enough slots ;-)

I don't know the difference between the classic and st.  What is it?

Also, is it possible to put a v.35 board in a machine running Dell 2.2
and do the routing under Unix?

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From: rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: nameserver
Date: 10 Jan 93 11:41:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Organization: None

larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>when we boot our machine after attaching to the internet we 
>establish a primary nameserver for DNS -- how can we 
>disable nameserver lookups for selected machines -- ie:
>internal machines connected to our masked network (and the local
>machine when bringing up X11R5) all go out to the nameserver
>which takes a few seconds when the internet connection is loaded..

If you use SUNs and DNS via NIS, remember that gethostbyname/uid
first use NIS, and if that fails, they use DNS. So put the neccesary
names in your NIS hosts file for quick lookups. /etc/hosts on
workstations doesn't work since it isn't used anymore when NIS/YP
is up and running.

Rob

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From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Subject: Re: Where did /usr/bin/truss originate?
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:53:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.200455.28681@sinkhole.unf.edu> shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite) writes:

	  I have Esix 4.0.3a.  It came with a nice utility called truss,
   located in /usr/bin.   I thought this was part of the standard
   USL source release of SVR4.   However, our company just got in SVR4
   from Harris (running on a Night Hawk 4400) and truss is not on the 
   system.  Does anyone know the origin of the truss utility (i.e., is
   it from Sun or made just for the i386/i486 platform of Unices?).  Thanks
   for the info! 

Truss *is* wonderful, isn't it?

I think it was written at AT&T.  There are internal AT&T versions of
truss and /proc for 3B2 and 6386 machines running SVR3.  I tried to
get in touch with the author a while back, because of a bug.  As I
recall, he had left for another company.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: corey@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.c.brown)
Subject: Re: serious bug in cpio -i -Htar
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:37:39 GMT
Summary: tar with cpio?

In article <4910@svin09.info.win.tue.nl>, debra@wsinis07.info.win.tue.nl (Paul De Bra) writes:
> I just found this unbelievable but dead serious bug in cpio.
> I verified the bug with Esix 4.0.4 and with DG/UX 5.4.1 (on an AViiON, with
> mc88100 cpu), so it seems like a fairly widespread bug in sVr4.
> 
> The bug is that when reading a tar archive (cpio can do that you know)
> cpio will restore all files with more than one link, even if they are
> not asked for.
> 

Why, why, why would you ever read a tar archive with cpio??? Just beacuse
you can is no reason..

I would suggest NOT using the "H" option and cpio will let you know if
the archive you have is in cpio format or not. 


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From: anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward)
Subject: V.35/slip
Summary: v35 interface & drivers wanted for 486/UNIX
Keywords: SLIP PPP v.35 cisco DSU 56k
Reply-To: anton@lethe.gts.org
Organization: ASCI: UNIX Database and Communications
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:13:32 GMT

I'm looking to connect z 486 running SVR4 - or SCO if I have to - to a
DSU which has a v.35 interface.

There are cards out there.  
What seems to be lacking are drivers.
I can get them for Novell but not UNIX.
Can anyone help me with this.

Synchronous V.35 cards plus drivers to handle PPP to connect to a cisco
router.

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