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From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Good Food Habits (was Re: Halloween Stories)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:14:23 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

I like hearing all these success stories in the families where food is
not made a fuss over (eg. eating/not eating, good/bad, etc.).  We've
been following that philosophy for David since day 1.  We do label
foods "growing foods" and "fat foods", but that is mostly just a
nutritous indicator.  If he wants a fat food over a growing food we let
him have it, just make him aware that it won't help him grow and be
healthy (in a very matter of fact way and not all the time).  I do know
that I would change in a minute if David didn't eat healthy as a norm,
but so far he is doing just fine with his own choices.

My favorite story for David (5.5 yrs) was when he was about 4.5 years
old.  We were having a Mom/Son lunch out at McDonalds.  He ordered his
usual Happy Meal (hamburger/fries/drink/toy) and I ordered a
cheeseburger and side salad with vinagrette dressing.  As I was laying
out our respective meals David said "I'll make you a deal.  I'll give
you half my french fries for half your salad."  I asked him why and he
said "Well, I like salad better than french fries".

Today he goes back and forth between fries and salads, but over time he
tends to eat very healthy naturally.

Oh, one last thing.  David went Trick-or-Treating in our neighborhood,
but not for the candy (he really only likes solid chocolate and
lollypops).  He gets a real charge just in going door to door and
meeting people who admire his costume (batman, he usually struck an
appropriate batman pose at each door).





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Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: First time mother-to-be questions
Keywords: Crib mattresses, Car seats, High chairs, changing tables
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:35:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia gray ) writes:
>More questions from a first-time mother-to-be,
>
>1. I went around crib mattress shopping (I got a used wooden crib
>from a garage sale).  What I say were foam mattresses and coil mattresses.
>While I know technically what's the difference is, what is the difference
>in respect to the baby?

I asked a similar question when I was pregnant, and saved all of the
replies.  I sent them on to Sylvia; if anyone else is interested,
please e-mail me, and I'll be glad to send them to you.

I also have question/answer files on:
   bassinets and other newborn baby sleeping places
   back pain during middle pregnancy
   fiber and constipation problems (no names :-)


   
--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Washing stuffed animals
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:07:08 CST
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:

> My daughter has a beloved stuffed animal ("Doggie") that she sleeps
> with and often takes to daycare and other places.  Consequently, he
> gets dirty.  The label on this dog says "Surface wash" and "Air dry".
> Having just completed a round of this this last weekend, and having
> Caitie be without Doggie for a day while he hung up to dry, I am
> tempted to throw him in the washing machine and dryer next time to
> save time and energy.  However, I worry that this might ruin him.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with washing a "Surface washable"
> stuffed animal in the washing machine?  Did it come out OK?
>
> --Stanzi Royden
>
I have a couple of times. My daughter did not have one special critter
though, so I didn't have to worry too much if the animal didn't survive
the wash.
Read the tag to see what the stuffing is. It's usually a problem with the
stuffing or the ornaments (eyes and such). If the tag doesn't say what the
filling is, you might want to open a little hole and look.
If it looks like it might survive, say a prayer and wash it. I wouldn't
reccomend drying it in the dryer though. It might melt or something. Once
you have it clean (by whatever method), set it up to dry somewhere. It may
take a couple of days. Good luck.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: How to go about finding a doula (midwife) in Buffalo?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:36:43 GMT

In article <BxM7sL.M4u@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>I'm seriously considering hiring a doula (midwife).  I have a 
>doctor already and will be giving birth in a hospital.  However, 
>I might want a trained midwife to coach me during delivery and do 
>perineal massage, so that I have the best chance of avoiding an
>episiotomy.
>
>How would I find a midwife in Buffalo?  Is there an organization 
>I can contact?  I looked under midwife in the phone book and only 
>one was listed (nurse-midwife) and she works only with another 
>doctor's office.
>
>Any suggestions?

Well, I cant tell you how to find one in Buffalo (I couldnt even tell you
how to find Buffalo ;-)). In LA, there are a lot of freebie magazines that
you can pick up at baby stores, doctor offices, etc, that are mostly
advertisements. They have a lot of ads for this sort of thing. The best one
for midwives/doulas/childbirth classes is called Wet Set Gazette and is 
published by the local diaper service.

BTW, why wouldnt that one midwife point you in the correct direction? Did you
ask?

Hope this helps.
Laura Floom
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:27:52 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Someone who's name I've intentionally removed wrote:
>Often, though, the reason for doing whatever it is will be "Because I
>want to" or she won't even respond. 

A (not otherwise very good) book I read suggested that the reason
children say "I don't know" so often is because they've learned that
no other response is safe--or because they really don't have words to
explain why they've done what they've done.  (And that the best
phrasing is "What was you understanding of what was supposed to happen
about XXX?")

>Then she gets a choice between a smack (a quick swat, it doesn't
>hurt her physically but it does hurt her feelings, followed by a hug and
>an explanantion of what she did wrong) or a tantrum-room 

I'm going to ignore the tantrum-room choice.  I want to say something
about the idea of a smack followed by a hug.  (This may be somewhat
inflammatory, which is why I removed the author's name)

I'm concerned that the idea of "hit then love" is really setting a
child up to be too forgiving of being hit or abused.  I am _NOT_
equating a spanking with child abuse.  I'm applying the idea that
"children live what they learn" to this type of discipline.  Will a
child who is used to being hit and then loved by a parent grow up to
accept that type of treatment from a lover?  Will the child grow up
believing that "when we love someone, we hit them and then tell them
we love them"?  WIll s/he think "it's okay to hurt someone's feeling
when they do something we don't like, as long we hug afterwards"?

I find this to be a _VERY_ compelling reason not to spank.  (I'm about
to type in a list of other reasons--new thread :-)

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: There are Threats and Then There are Threats [was: Cute things...]
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:55:44 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

amy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amy Slankard) writes:
>cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) writes:
>> [...] into his pants he looked at me and said, "When I get big
>>I am going to do that to you."  ... 
>My daughter (2.9) has "threatened" me similarily in different situations.
> ... (in her cute little voice which I can't mimic in writing) "When I 
>bigger and you little, I going to drive and you ride in the carseat"[...]

Just to add a little perspective...

I can't begin to remember where I read this, but it was in some British
magazine.  They were doing a story about the trials of being responsible
for the schooling of the royal princelings.

Anyway, it seems Prince William (i.e. Chuck and Di's boy) was about 3.5 and
apparently having a miserable day.  After repeated attempts to get him to
do something he had no intention of doing he turned on his nursemaids in
fury and screamed at the top of his lungs "When I grow up and I'm King, I'm
going to bring my all knights and we're going TO CHOP OFF YOUR HEADS!!"

(All told, I think I'll settle for the carseat...)

N
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Examples for discussion (was Re: Plain Talk About Spanking (long))
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:37:31 GMT


I agreed with Tigger's responses on this one, except for the first case.
My way of doing this is:

>   "You tell your 6 YO that you need to vacuum the floor and he needs to pick
>   up his toys.  An hour later and the toys are not picked up."

First, an hour is too long to wait.  If I really care about a picking up,
I set a 5-minute timer, about 10 minutes before I want to vacuum.  By
the time the timer goes "ding", I expect the kids to have made reasonable
progress towards picking up (not necessarily done).  If they haven't,
then I confiscate the toys and put them in "toy exile" for a bit.

-- Misty

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.164205.3455@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.153951.21920@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H.
>Nodine) writes:
(my examples of where childproofing does not work)

>Come on now. What are the alternatives? 1) spank the kid so he/she will never
>ever pick up a permanent marker that the husband left in a place she could get
>it? or 2) Spank the husband so he would be more careful the next time.

PLEASE!  Read the message.  I was not trying to say that spanking was
the "right" thing to do here!  I was saying that relying on childproofing
for keeping your kids always out of dangerous situations *is not enough*.
Kids are ingenious, curious, and more capable than we often give credit
for.  In neither situation was the parent careless -- the knife was not left
where it was easy to grab.  The pen was *at the back of the mantel, which
currently has a table full of gerbils in front of it*.  The kids still
managed to get at them.  When you are cooking, where do you put the
knife when you are done with it?  My kids can get at the sink and
at all the counters.  Do I wash it immediately and put it away?  What
if I only need to put it down for a minute or two?  To me, the best
thing here is not childproofing, but instruction on what to do and what
not to do with knives, at least once they are old enough.

Please note what I said at the end:
>My point here is that, I can work hard at childproofing to some reasonable
>level, but I am a finite person, and cannot foresee everything.  I also
>do not want to be childproofing forever, so some instruction is needed
>including, I think, occasionally letting the child take the consequences
>of the action.  (Where here "consequences" do not necessarily mean
>spanking)

Did I say, "spank the kid and she won't get the pen"?  No, I merely
pointed out that sometimes, because parents are not perfect, and 
do not always foresee every action their kids might try, kids *do*
get into dangerous situations.  For example, with Tim and the knife,
the consequence was that he didn't get to stand on the chair and
watch me cook in the kitchen any more, until I have some reasonable
assurance that he is not going to play with the knives.  Since he
*loves* to watch, he has been working hard at assuring me of this.
And someday soon, he will be able to watch again.  I hope at that
time he will not repeat the behavior.

-- Misty
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Schedules (4 months old)
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:31:15 GMT


Jordan will be four months old tomorrow, and doesn't have anything
resembling a daytime schedule.  This is getting to be a real problem,
both for me and for his daycare provider.  

His evening schedule is pretty regular: he nurses almost every hour
from 6 until he goes to sleep about 9.  He usually wakes up between
5:30 and 6:30.  He rarely (every 10 days or so, I'd guess) wakes up in
the middle of the night hungry.

I work Monday Wednesday Friday, and am home with him Tu/Th and the
weekends.  He nurses on demand (bottle at daycare) and sleeps when he
feels like it.  Today, however, his schedule was _horrible_ and Maggie
(daycare provider) can't handle it--and I couldn't either if it had
been me:
    8:00 I dropped him off and he nursed
    8:30 3 oz
    8:45 - 9:30 slept
    9:45 3 oz
   11:00 2 oz
   11:15 - 11:45 slept
   12:00 3 oz
    1:00 3 oz
    2:00 2.5 oz
    2:20 - 3:00 slept
    3:30 4 oz
   
He ate every hour, and slept less than 2 hours total.  Most days, he
eats a little (but not a lot) less often, and takes at least one 2.5-3
hour nap.

I'd like to get him on a more regular (and more reasonable)
schedule--eating every 3-4 hours, and napping at fairly regular
times.  At this point, I don't much care _what_ his schedule is, as
long as it's a bit more regular--and he eats less frequently.  (Jordan
is almost 17 pounds; he's big enough to go 3-4 hours between meals)

I would welcome any ideas that would help Maggie and I get him on a
schedule.   Please help--I don't want Maggie to decide she can't care
for him because it would force her to shortchange the other children
she takes care of.


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: article@tc.fluke.COM (John F. Berkey)
Subject: Gestational Diabetes
Keywords: questions
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:05:55 GMT


My wife was recently diagnosed with gestational diabetes. What
I'm told is that this is not all that uncommon nowadays, however
the doctor said that there is a 60% chance that she will still
have it after she gives birth, and if it does go away, theirs still
a 50 to 60% chance that it will return later in life.

She is currently on a vary strict diet, and not liking it to well
but trying. Basically she has to eat six times a day and vary small 
portions. The doctor gave her a book that contains a listing of
"Taboo" foods that she is suppose to avoid.

If the diet doesn't work then she will have to start 
monitoring her blood sugar level, and possibly wind up having to 
take insulin (sp?).

I would like to here from other mothers that have experienced this,
as to what your doctors instructed you to do. Did it go away after 
the birth of your baby? etc... I (we) have vary little knowledge in this
mater, so any advice would be helpful. 

Also, is there an "F.A.Q." on this subject?, and if so could someone
please E-mail it to me. 

Thanks

John.
-- 
______________________________________________________________

John F Berkey
Chief Quality Specialist
John Fluke Mfg, Co., Inc.
C.M.M. Dimensional Inspection,
Service Tools Organization

article@tc.fluke.com

Disclaimer: All views and opinions stated here are my own, 
            and in no way represent the views of my employer.
From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: [5y] Funny things they say
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:20:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: csusac.1992Nov11.032034.12501
Organization: Moi?

The Resident Expert is now 15.  Today she was listening to my daily rave/
debriefing about my kids, especially the one who answers every question of
the "what do sheep say?" variety with a saliva-filled "MOO!"  I pointed
out that Keisha is also fond of "TWO!" for an answer when it might fit, as
in "ten little pumpkins, all in a line.  One got picked and then there 
were.... " "TWO!!!!"
 
"How old is Keisha?" asks the R.E.

"Five," I mourn.

"Ah," says my baby.  "A whole handful."

She reminded me that on her fifth birthday she announced that now
(***NOW???***) she was a handful!

They all are, and she still is.  *grin*

--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: newborns and cats
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:47:57 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.012451.16634@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> J.Osborne@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:

>I would think twice about getting a kitten with an almost-2 year old around.
>2YO's can be very hard on pets--it takes a long time to teach them how to
>be gentle and not hit, chase or pull tails.  It's hard enough for an 
>adult cat to defend or avoid this behavior, and kittens are at a 
>distinct disadvantage.

I second this, plus there's another factor: adult cats seem to be calmer and
more mellow, and more inclined to deal with kids.  We had few problems with
our adult cat when annie was a baby.  Now, with a new kitten and Anne at 
5.5, the kitten has an insane amount of energy and a natural urge to wrestle,
jump, and bite.  And Annie has a hard time treating him gently. The result is
chaos: I no sooner get done yelping at Anne for bopping the cat than Smoky
comes in a playful frenzy and bites me HARD, and I have to whap him on the
head to dissuade him.  Right now, Annie's hands and legs have a patchwork
of kitty scratches on them - and cat scratches can be pretty nasty, very
prone to infection.  I hope we can resolve this, as every vet and vet's 
assistant who sees Smoky says, "Oh, my, he's going to be a BIG cat!"

--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .     
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ff@mtung.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Feeling the baby move for the very first time
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:44:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	I was wondering approximately when is the first time most people 
felt their baby moving. I now 16 weeks pregnant and I think I have felt my baby,
but I can't be quite sure.  Last night as I lay in bed I felt something
that was sort of a fluttering feeling and it happened again this morning.
I am afraid it could simply be "gas", but I don't know, it felt different
for some reason.

	I know there is no set time for it to happen for everyone, but I
would like to hear other peoples experiences so that I have a general idea.
So, I'd love to know when it happened and and how it felt.  If there is
enough interest I will post the responses.  This is my first time mailing
a post, so hopefully this is going to work.

Thanks in advance,

Frances 
(first time mommy to a baby due April 16th)
ff@mtung.att.com
From: sylvia@maple.njit.edu (sylvia gray )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New mother questions
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:25:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu



HI,

I am new to this news group.  I am also new to anything and probably
most everything having to do with children.  I am currently about
22 weeks pregnant.  Some questions I have to prepare for the upcoming
event (d*mn I'm scared).  Hope you don't mind.

1.  I just started buying some furniture (and boy are they expensive).
One of the things that was suggested to get was a baby bathtub.
I was originally thinking something along the lines of a nice dishpan
since all I thought was the baby bath would just hold water and keep
the baby more or less localized (as opposed to a bathtub) and I would
then proceed to the sink.  Someone said I really should get a good
(and expensive,  about $40-50 he quoted) bathtub.  WHY?  What am I
missing?

2.  I have decided to use disposables (please don't flame me for this
decision).  Some mothers told me how their kids were getting a rash from
using Pampers (I guess from the fragrance or something).  Has anyone else
had this problem?   Is there any problems with using say the store brand
diapers?  And from what I read, they say to buy a months worth of diapers
in advance (about 300 -350)?  Do you agree with this?

3.  Soaps.  They say to use a detergent free soap.  What does this mean?
Ivory maybe and not any deodarent (sp?) soaps like Dial?  What about
Lever 2000?

4.  Laundry detergent.  What is so special about Dreft and Ivory Snow?
What about some of the others that are fill-in-the-blank-free like
Cheer (fragrance and dye and maybe something else free)?

5.  One last question (for now).  This is not a baby question.
The linea negra (or something) that appears when you are pregnant,
I assume it goes away later after you give birth.  In my case I have
had this line (or zipper as my husband calls it) for as long as I can 
remember.  Any comments? (I don't expect it to go away after birth)

I would appreciate any inputs, opinions and comments.  Please though,
e-mail it directly to my at sylvia@maple.njit.edu.  Thanks..


		-- sylvia
From: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Oops
Reply-To: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Organization: Rockwell International
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:21:41 GMT

I tell people that Chelsea was in Gods plan and
had to be incorporated into mine.  As usual he was right.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Humidifiers/Vaporizers Recommendations
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:51:07 GMT

In article <BxIKz9.CHD@inews.Intel.COM> vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:

>I am thinking of purchasing a humidifier/vaporizer and would like to see a
>discussion on the different types and any recommendations.  I've had a
>few minor respitatory ailments (allergies, colds, etc.) since I became
>pregnant and with winter setting in and turning on the heater more, I'm 
>thinking of using a humidifer.  I'd like to get one that I can use for the
>baby as well when he/she is sick.

We are big fans of humidifiers and have tried several different kinds. I 
like the cool mist ones best. One caution: We have one that uses heat to 
vaporize the water. Our pediatrician told us not to use it. We did. My 
daughter put her finger in it one day (she put her finger in a lot of odd 
places when she started walking) and got a small burn. We let the 
pediatrician say I told you so and put it away for a few years.

I would not buy that kind again since it is definitely not silent.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids