HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Poor boys
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:09:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iv1h0INNbsk
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan12.155925.8320@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> IWS%ssmic@cdfq.ssd.ray.com writes:
>| 
>| The line is:
>| Los Angeles give me Norfolk, Virginia, Tidewater 4-10-0-9
>| 
>If you dial (804) 844-1009, the message you get is:
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"V and P Telephone time ... 9:32.  Temperature ... 38".
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Huh, that's funny...when I dialed it I got a completely DIFFERENT time and
temperature.

:-) (sincere apologies, I couldn't resist).

-David
"woke up high
 over Albuquerque"
From: Mike.Swartzbeck@p816.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Swartzbeck)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Seat-hogging/Line-cutting
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 12:24:31 -0500

In a SubSpace transmission stardate 1/6/93, Peter Meyer stated: 
 
  > two for someone who's just slipped out to use the bathroom or 
  > grab a coke, but i dunno about this business of annexing entire 
  > neighborhoods for your personal party.
  >   
  > I've gotten pretty disgusted with this practice and the associated line
  > cutting at amusement parks around here too (e.g. Disneyland, Santa's 
    Village). My
  > wife and daughter waited in line for Santa for over an hour without
advancing    
    at
  > all, while I saw many people riding other rides and then cutting into the 
  > front of the line. They finally got to see the man after waiting almost 2 
  > hours. 

  PM> You should have just beat the fucking shit out of the assholes who cut
  PM> in line.  Or are you not man enough?   I'll bet you just sat there and
  PM> took it while your wife and daughter just became more and more disgusted
  PM> with your inaction.

No, he should _not_ have beat the fucking shit out of _anybody_. It would've
solved _nothing_, plus likely landed the guy doing the beating in jail for a
while. What he _should_ have done, IMHO, is to politely but firmly remind these
people that he and his family have been waiting in line for over an hour and
would they please go to the end of the line. I've done it. It works.

Your "solution", Peter, smacks of the attitude espoused by Ferdinand Marcos,
Saddam Hussein and our own soon-to-be-Ex-President "King" George Bush.

Please remember where you are. If you can't deal with it, I suggest you post
that screed elsewhere, such as alt.fat.sleazeball.Limbaugh.

*********************************************************************************
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind as being very
wasteful. How true that is."  -- Dan Quayle

                                    
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From: dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson)
Subject: MO Registered mail fee...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:32:26 GMT

Hey all,

	What's the registered mail fee for the second mail order date
this time around?  Is it $6.50 or $6.25?

Thanks in advance,

Andy

Andy Dickinson   [----------------------------] dickia@rpi.edu [{<---+++--->}]
271 Lark St. #3, Albany, NY 12210  [--------] 	(518) 426 - 7907  *#*#*#*#*#*#*
<><><><> This .sig left intentionally uninteresting due to the lack of anything
really clever or unique I could think of to put in its place..... =+=+=+=+=+=+
From: lip@felina.Eng.Sun.COM (Philo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: 48 Hours Anti-LSD Propaganda
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:51:04 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: felina

In article <1993Jan7.200235.8999@Csli.Stanford.EDU> henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss) writes:
>I thought the 48 Hours show on acid last night was
>irresponsible, sensationalistic, bullshit journalism, 
>very skewed towards portraying acid as a societal menace.
[rest deleted]

Nicely written criticism, Kathryn.

For the most part I agree, but I was bracing for an even more irresponsible
and sensationalistic article.  Popular American media is quite embarrassing
to me (as an American) and that show lived up to its disappointing legacy.

They were continually trying to categorize the issues as good or evil,
black or white.  They only described the most extreme and worst examples of
LSD use, implying that most or all of general users are similar.  Did they
ever compare serious medical problems resulting from LSD or other illegal
drug use with those caused by cigarette smoking?  or automobiles?  or
mountain climbing? or hang gliding?  No, of course, people are too dim
witted to deal with a more complex analysis, leaving room for a more
complicated and unsure description, one that is more real.  And as you
point out so well, they slipped in loaded words like "crisis", "yet",
"scourge", etc... without any justification.

Another point, which I think is more relevant and significant than all of
these, is that they never once questioned the government's legitimacy in
prohibiting this drug.  Like any other tool, it can be abused or used, and
there will always be a small percentage of people who do stupid things.
That doesn't give the gov't the constitutional authority to outlaw it.  To
be consistent, just about everything that *can* cause harm, should be
prohibited.

sigh, enough babbling...

-John
From: gt1054a@prism.gatech.EDU (JOHNSTON,JERRY WAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: mo instructions
Keywords: none
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:48:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



	Can someone e-mail me complete instructions for mail order.....I've
lost my printout of it and I don't trust my memory with my tix  :-)

						
								Jay
    	
-- 
JOHNSTON,JERRY WAYNE
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:     ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1054a
Internet: gt1054a@prism.gatech.edu
From: handgl@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dreadful Grapes ??
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:17:43 EST
Distribution: usa,world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I'm pretty sure the routine referred to below was NOT from National Lampoon. If
my admittedly foggy memory serves, it was The Conception Corporation or another
of those San Francisco improv groups.

In article <C0BB8o.I42@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, gsu0013@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Kaminsky) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.012828.29778@alw.nih.gov> blewis@helix.nih.gov (barbara lewis) writes:
>>Through some insane conversation at 5 in the morning the other day, a
>>friend of mine was telling me of this bootleg he used to have with this
>>very strange segway in the middle of it.  He has no idea where this comes
>>from and I guess that's my question.  Some piece where Jerry and Bob are
>>talking and remembering back to the days when they played in a band
>>together, if memory served them right it was the Dreadful Grapes.  Then at
>>some point up in the sky they see Cocaine copters or some reference like
>>that.  Does anyone know what I'm even talking about here?  Sorry for the
>>lack of any real detail, the source was not able to remember any more of
>>this strange bit, he's not even sure now if he really heard it to begin
>>with.
>>
>>I'd appreciate any info on this so we can both be comfortable with our
>>level of sanity.       :)
>>
> 
> Yes Barb, I know what you are talking about.  It's a National Lampoon
> spoof about what happens to the grateful dead, in old age.  The
> not-so-dynamic-duo-anymore meet in a park (Golden Gate?).  And they talk
> about the "old days".  I think they light a joint too, but a cop comes
> by, then some dicussion about how despite the fact that dope is legal in
> this redition of the future, Jerry still doesn't trust the cops...  
> Other Hilarious comments are made when the thing degenerates into the
> "cocaine helicoptor bit".  It's pretty funny, but i don't recall the
> name of the album.  I know that the national Lampoon people put this out
> though.  I heard it on  WXRT 93.1 chicago,  chicago's finest rock!
> I should add, it was about 15 years ago.  If anybody has it, the
> transcription would be good to read!  Hint hint.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ************************************************************************
> *  Michael Kaminsky           | Wild flower seed on the sand & stone;  *
> *  Governors State University | May the four winds blow you safely home*
> *  gsu0013@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu    | Long live the Dead!!!!!!!!!!!!         *
From: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.com (Dario Wolfish) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Garcia with Sons of Champ
Date: 10 Jan 93 10:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.com (Dario Wolfish) 


I'd like someone's help for identifying something I have as filler on a
tape. It's labeled as Garcia, Lesh playing with Sons of Champlain. They
do Big Boss Man into another song. No doubt it's Jerry on guitar. My
tape labels it as 3-5-72 but deadbase doesn't have Sons of Champlain at
Winterland at this show.

Anyone know what this is? It's great whatever it is.


---
 . KingQWK 1.05 # 38 . Two souls in communion, one body and mind
From: mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Mike Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead Journal
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:14:22 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I was visiting a friend at Indiana University this weekend and spotted/bought
this little gem.  It is a hardback Grateful Dead daily journal called 
_Sunshine Daydreams_.  It is like a normal journal/calendar, but has some of
the greatest pictures of the boys I have every seen.  I picked it up 
immediatly and was prepared to pay much more than the price of $7 on the
ticket, but was suprised to find it 1/2 off!!  It was only $3!!!  It also
has a little note for about every day about the band, where they played that
day, etc...really nice.  I recommend picking one up.

Mike

...going where those chilly winds don't blow!  ---i.e.  _not_ Indiana
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Eric Sheehan <esheehan@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: gif at berkeley.edu
Reply-To: esheehan@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:10:55 GMT

 I have uploaded es.gdead.gif at gdead.berkeley.edu.  Those of you who are into
gifs, take a look and tell me what you think.
 Hooray for spring tour part 1 !!!!   Have a good mail order everyone!
From: jepstein@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Captain Eclipse)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Small Tape Collection for Sale/Trade
Date: 4 Jan 1993 13:16:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu


I recently posted a message about a small analog collection for
sale/trade that I thought would get a very small
response at first, but, coming back to work after the New Year's
break, I found my malibox over flowing. All those who replied, please
be patient as I sift through the replies and come upon a fair and
random solution.
Thanks for all the responses (I got an incredible message from an
Icelander Head that touched my heart.) You'll all here from me soon.

- Jon

===================================================
|| Put it all the music...                       ||
|| 			...the Colonel           ||
===================================================
|| e-mail: jepstein@titan.ucc.umass.edu          ||
===================================================

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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: MAIL ORDER INFO FOR SPRING TOUR PART II
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:27:08 GMT


Just in case anyone needs it out there:

Send a postal money order, and a SASE in a #10 envelope to:

Grateful Dead Ticket Sales--Spring Tour Pt. II
Name of City--Number of Tickets
Box C-S 8190
San Rafael, CA 94912

Include a 3x5 index card, with your name, address and phone # in the
upper left corner, and your ticket order (number of tix per night,
preference for tapers or seating). Be sure to write 'anything' on the
card if you are willing to accept any kind of ticket for the show.
Add $6.25 to the money order if you want your tickets sent back registered
mail.

Chapel Hill tix cost $26 each; i dont remember the others, but they were
all more expensive ($27-$27.50). Dont forget--your #10 envelope must
be STAMPED, not metered, stripped, expressed, etc. see ya there.....

r

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Question
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - New Jersey Div.
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:03:57 GMT

In article <Jan.8.10.38.43.1993.6251@gandalf.rutgers.edu> davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Dave Fischer) writes:
>
>
>If I use Elvis stamps on my envelopes, will it increase
>my chances of good seats?


Just say "NO!" to the Elvis stamp!

		Yech!
			reb
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Re: Tape trades gone bad? Help!
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:05:31 GMT

In article <9301071810.AA11626@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca>  
stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal) writes:
(some editing for space!)
   I've traded tapes with a lot of people over the last 12 months, and it
has been an overwhelmingly positive experience... Nothing is totally perfect
though, and I've been frustrated by one or two trading attempts that have
gone horribly awry. In one case I've been waiting 7 months for the tapes,
each time I send email I wait weeks before hearing back, and am told
"it's in the mail". Funny how one person can't seem to manage to reach
while everyone else has no problem.

 I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem and how they have
dealt with it. Do you just write it off? It's really tempting to blast this
person's name all over the net with a dire warning "Do trade with XXXXX",
but that seems somehow vengeful. What I want is to get my tapes, if not
then at least get blanks back. I would like to prevent others from having
this problem as well, but I don't want this to degrade into name calling.

 Any suggestions are welcome. I must reiterate that most people I've dealt
with have really made me happy with their generosity and earnest.

 later,

Steve
-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Steve Portigal  University of Guelph  Guelph, Ontario      |
|  stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (519) 824-4120 x 3580      |
|  Vicki Lawrence must DIE! Vicki Lawrence must DIE!          |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Perhaps the severely paranoid could ask for references: "Who on the net have  
you traded with in the past? Please send their e-mail names to me that I may  
independently confirm your reliability in mail trades before parting with  
seven or eight bucks' worth of tapes and postage"
I've been slow but never more than a week or two, and I hope that if anyone  
out there has more than they are comfortable handling then they should just  
slow down accepting new trees & trades until the backlog is caught up. Of  
course if you feel they are just jerking you around then you have to decide  
how much of an emotional investment you have in those tapes you sent out last  
year and haven't heard from. 
--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
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From: mezynski@musicman.rtp.dg.com (Ed Mezynski)
Subject: Jerry mentioned in MUSICIAN mag
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:00:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In the latest MUSICIAN magazine, the writers choose the 100 greatest
guitarists of the 20th century.  They mentioned a guy named Jerry...

	One of the most melodically inventive guitarists in rock
	history.  With roots in blues and country, especially bluegrass,
	he's evolved a style that takes Bakersfield to Mars, an approach
	that owes less to pure technique than to Garcia's natural
	musicality and restless, open intelligence.

	reprinted w/o permission

There are 99 other guitar greats mentioned as well.  Pick up the mag if
you like to see what they have to say about the rest.  

No mention of Wier, but many of the other guitarist whose names have   
phosphorically dotted their way onto your screen and slid into your ears.

See you at the Smith Center.

grateful ed
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Subject: Re: A Better Idea
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:38:04 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

bongo writes:

>I'm going to try and keep this short, Joe, because the net doesn't need the
>noise and I still find your perception of events so unbelievably skewed
>that we're really not talking about the same thing at all, making
>mutual understanding highly unlikely.

Maybe if we write how joe has a 'perception of events so unbelievably
skewed', he will be less believable?  You write that I am one of only
70 individuals there who saw something wrong in what was going on there.
Yet I, and MANY others have read the note from your sysop where he stated
that he saw exactly what I saw.  Maybe he doesn't agree with it now that
it is as public as it has become.  While I was there, the invitation
process alone was enough to disgust me, and laugh at the wheel.  The process
of bringing up a net.person's name, then discussing the good or bad things
the person has done in the past, then voting on that person.  Folks whom
in the past I've read postings on the net who I thought played fair ball
showed me that it only was 'do as I say, not as I act'.  While I was there,
not ONE person expressed discontent with the invitation process.  Yet, of
course, that too was my fault, right?  I should have changed it if I saw
it as being such a bad thing.

You try to say that I am an oddball for seing things the way I do.  You
say that 70 people see it differently.  Your sysop saw it exactly as I
did, and many of us net.folks saw that note.  I pointed out what I saw
wrong on the wheel.  I point out the invitation process as being a
popularity contest, wherein you get to take cheap shots behind the back
of net.heads without their knowing it, then vote on wheather the person
is worthy or not.  I pointed out the attitude that you are all better
than us DACKS.  Might I enlighten you on the words one wheelie said to me
at RFK wrt keeping the setlist correct?  Hows about "Never send a DACK to
do the job of a wheelie".  Might I remind you of the ticket offer I read
on the wheel, while I was there?  "Wheelies ONLY No DACKS".  I had a problem
with this attitude.  And yes, I am one of only 70 (although one was willing to
say so until he realized how public).  My 'perception of events is unbelievably
 skewed' isn't it?  Bongo, TELL ME that when you had an invitation process
where you through out a person's name, and folks either patted the person on
the back, or spit on him/her, behind his back.  Tell me that that isn't
something I or joe.average.net.head should find offensive.  Call me a liar
Bongo, point out to the net that these statements I make are just shots at
the character of the wheel.  Come on Bongo, I dare you :-)

Joe Doheny
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: hbh@athena.mit.edu (Heidi Hammel)
Subject: Re: =={ Jerry Quote Question }==
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:16 GMT

In article <C0pq1G.C0M@hsi.com> tibbetts@hsi.com (Todd Tibbetts) writes:
> [requests a source for Jerry comment re Al and Tipper]

From the Boston Globe "Quotes of Note" 12/12/92:

"Tipper and Al came to a show the last time we played in Washington.
They're nice people, a nice family.  We made every effort not to
frighten them."
                        - Jerry Garcia, on rumors the Grateful Dead
                                         may play at the Inaugural.
--
    Heidi B. Hammel   (hbh@astron.mit.edu)   MIT 54-416   EAPS Dept.
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Mail order instructions
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:21:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195231.13174@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> reb@ingres.com writes:

>|Grateful Dead Ticket Sales--Spring Tour Pt. II
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|Name of City--Number of Tickets
>|Box C-S 8190
>|San Rafael, CA 94912
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Does   the hotline actually   say that you  have  to write  this?   It
>*usually* says "Send your order to Grateful Dead Ticket-Sales dash and
>the name of the concert you are ordering for."
>
>				Inquiring minds want to know,
>								reb

thats what i thought it said. I guess they want to sort between pts I and II
before sorting by city. Who knows?

r
From: pkemp@byron.u.washington.edu (Paul Kemp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: I'll miss Dizz
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:51:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan8.022900.7030@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ANDREJKOW@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>
>	The last great orginal bebopper has left us.  R.I.P. Dizzy Gillespie.
>
 Max Roach was a major part of the bebop revolution of the late '40s early '50s.
He is still alive and well...but, we have lost four giants in the last five 
years:  Here's to them all...

Dexter Gordan
Stan Getz
Miles Davis
Dizzy Gillespie

May you all out there listen to and come to appreciate what they have done.
pk
From: seb@clovis.felton.ca.us (Seb Frey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: How 'bout them last shows?
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:20:52 GMT
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

Go Jerry, go Jerry, Go!

I wasn't lucky enough to catch those last shows in Oakland (the December 
'92 ones).  The guy in the S.F. Chronicle loved the Saturday show (the 
first one).  Couple friends of mine caught Wednesday and Thursday; said 
Wednesday was "Four Star" and Thursday was so-so, if only because of the 
set list.  Did any of you all see the shows?  What did you think?

Also, I hear the Vince is going to bust out "Golden Road to 
Unlimited...".  He played that on Halloween at the Jerry show, I know, 
and the Dead have busted out "Here Comes Sunshine," but they haven't 
played Golden Road.  Does anyone know if it is, in fact, in the works?

Catch you on the flip side...

-Seb


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