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From: UPI
Subject: Lebanon celebrates Independence Day
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:47:25 GMT
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	BEIRUT, Lebanon (UPI) -- Lebanon marked the 49th anniversary of its
independence Sunday with military parades and festivities even though
two-thirds of the country remains under the control of foreign troops.
	Some 3,000 Lebanese Army soldiers paraded on the rain-drenched
Boulevard of the Museum, the only link between Muslim west Beirut and
the Christian east during wartime.
	U.S-made tanks, armored personnel carriers and pieces of artillery
rolled past President Elias Hrawi, House Speaker Nabih Berri and a
number of ministers and deputies. The parade also was attended by Arab
and Western diplomats.
	During the past two years, the poorly equipped Lebanese Army has
managed to restore law and order in the country, putting an end to 16
years of militia reign and neutralizing Palestinian guerrillas.
	The military's success was possible because of an internationally
backed peace accord crafted in Taef, Saudi Arabia, in October 1989,
ending the country's bloody civil strife.
	Army Cmdr. Gen. Emile Lahoud had the difficult task of reuniting and
rehabilitating a shattered army force. He now has an even more difficult
mission -- forming an army able to protect the country.
	Celebrations marking the anniversary were marred by the presence of
some 35,000 Syrian troops on two-thirds of Lebanese soil and some 1,000
Israeli soldiers occupying parts of southern Lebanon and the
southwestern Bekaa Valley.
	The country's recently elected prime minister, Rafik Hariri, a
Lebanese billionaire with close ties to oil-rich Gulf states, pledged
Sunday to give priority to the liberation of southern Lebanon from
Israeli control.
	``Any celebration on the Independence Day before the evacuation of
Israeli troops remains partial,'' Hariri said.
	President Hrawi, in a televised speech on the eve of Independence
Day, said reconstruction of the Presidential Palace in Beirut's suburban
area of Baabda was to begin soon. He said he hoped next year's
festivities would take place there.
	The Baabda Palace was completely destroyed during a Syrian incursion
to depose rebel Army commander Gen. Michel Aoun on Oct. 13, 1990.
	Hrawi said reconstruction of the palace would be completed without
the use of public funds. Sources said some $13 million were allocated
for this project and that Hariri was the main contributor.
	Lebanon became a constitutional republic in 1926 after being
fashioned from several smaller states under a French mandate six years
earlier. Its formal independence was proclaimed in November 1941.
From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian/Israeli Military control
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:12:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: vlsi.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1992Nov18.163033.2600@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:

>Looking for some guesses on likelilood of Lebanese military control
>over their entire country.

>There will still be other Non-Lebanese Armed forces in Lebanon?
>(Ex. Hezbolah (sp?))

How did you conclude that the Hizbollah are not Lebaneses???

>Randy Finder


-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:36:56 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Nabeel - why are you playing devil's advocate here?  :-?

>   You misunderstood the idea. I will give you a simpler analogy to illustrate
>how God is '3 in 1'. It is analogous to that 
>     Nabeel Ghuzlaan = Bulbul = Normand Arthur Beeline = ... = ...
>The three alter egos are aspects of the same personality, although each one
>of them has its own character. I think now it is really xtal clear.

Actually I understand the concept but the problem is not with the concept -
it is with the philosophy; namely, that God, according to Christians, is
divided into three equal parts but not completely equal to God Himself. 

>   The idea that Jesus Christ is the son of God is not biological so, God
>(or His Wife) did not give birth, but it is a lingual means of saying that
>Jesus is less authoritative than the Father (usually referred to as God).

His Wife?  When did the official ceremony take place?  :-0  What I meant
about giving birth was that how could a part of God be given birth to as
a human being by a human being?  That certainly deviates from His Oneness
and Perfection.  And it is rather incredible to me how Catholics believe
that Mary is the mother of God ... Furthermore, that the message to mankind,
from God, was to believe in Him only.  How can Jesus, if he were God Himself,
call on God as a father or need to die as a way of having people believe in
him?

I don't expect you to answer these mind-boggling questions, Nabeel, but
this is my point is stated very clearly and there is a definite legitimacy
behind these questions. 

>   It is not that difficult to understand, and also it was invented to test
>humans faith.

How can you consider it a test from God when it's philosophy is not in
terms which are understandable to human beings who have the natural
instinct to ask questions?  Are we to be tested on our ignorance solely
on blind faith?   Surely Allah is Al-Hakeem.
 
>" Wouldn't that (shouldn't) also apply to Adam?  And didn't Jesus say that
>
>   No, of course not! Adam was created, but Jesus was an human incarnation
>slash manifestation of the son of God.

But in both cases, God breathed life into both, without whom would have
been born.  That is my point.

Nabeel, YOU are indeed a mystery ...

Ahlan to you too ...

Anisa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 23:45:17 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Last digest

I think that an ambush on the Lebanese army is a more important news than one
on the israeli army, and therefore, should come first in the report.


Nasri
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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: FTPable Bible in English
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:18:47 GMT
Organization: UiO


 
for those interested:

Host cs.bu.edu   (128.197.2.1)
Last updated 20:28 31 May 1992

    Location: /CN/bible.NKJ


elie wardini
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: pluralism
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:24:07 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1992Nov21.113217.27204@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.135316.8641@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
>("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>
>It is clear that "us" is not the same thing for all. I do not want to make our
>differences look like an unbridgable gap. But there are serious differences and
>we should take them into consideration. There can not be system in Lebanon by
>which one group (by which ever criteria) can decide against the wishes of the
>other group. THis will be a better basis for stability and trust in LEbanon
>rather than a numerical democracy whcih will declench a demagocial war at once.
>
I think I am not able to convince you and I am not convinced by your arguments.
Let's drop the issue, I can not see there is any benefit from discussing it
anymore.

>elie wardini

I. Ballouz


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From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates (Mon Nov 23 1992)
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:57:00 GMT
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From: hani@engin.umich.edu (Hani H.A. Nassif)
Subject: Independence..George's Post Forwarded.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:08:05 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

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Subject: Independence Day

[Hello Hani,
 I am experiencing some difficulty posting to s.c.l these days. Would it
 be possible for you to post, for me, the following follow-up article?
 Thanks,
 George.]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Independance Day
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Nov23.001915.5253@bradley.bradley.edu>
hani@bradley.bradley.edu (Hani Abi-Nassif) writes:
>In <By56ot.7CE@ecf.toronto.edu>
fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:
>
>
>
>>I guess wishes of a Happy Independance Day are due on this 22nd
>>day of November.
>
>A'edon B-Ayati Halen A'adta Ya A'edou...

                           Bi ma maDa am li amren fiika tajdiidou?

Happy independence day to you all, fellow Lebanese.
May you, all, live to the day when Lebanon will gain a newer and better
sense of this word: ``independence''.

>My best wishes as well for a peacefull, prosperous
>and united Lebanon...
>PEACE ...
>-Hani
>--

George Hassoun

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Subject: Independence..George's post (Forwaded)

This a forwading of George's post on this topic.
He is having some network troubles at their site.
-Hani

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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:10:39 GMT

In <1992Nov17.192154.9039@tamsun.tamu.edu> kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek) writes:

" Why don't you look at as elevating the status of the human race 
" instead? You see, all religions agree that God is perfect, so it goes 
" without saying that whatever we do will not take away from His state. 
" Furthermore, since He is perfect, He will not do anything that will 
" take away from His own esteem and perfection. Then it remains clear

   hA_thA bayto lqa.sIdi yA bonaY! Since God is perfect we believe He
wouldn't do this. If being flogged, spitted upon, mocked, crucified,
etc. doesn't indignify or imperfect someone, then I wonder what can!
Hardly can I also believe that it dignifies humans. Humans brought in
the life of Jesus Christ (may peace be upon Muhammad and him) what
embarrasses human race for ever and ever.


** wA rO.h lilmoLa ^alI wa giLa yA muLa ^ali:
           Hey, you are silly!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Pluralism revisisted (was:Re: ARAB UNITY)
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.093048.8188@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
("I.Ballouz") writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.172438.8567@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:
>>
>>in this series of articles, I have written many things which are negative
about
>>Islam.
>>
>>I would like to clarify, unprompted by anyone, that I am against all religion
>>becoming a state religion.
>>
>>Thus my contentions with Islam in these articles are based on condition that
>>religion becomes the ruling law of a country.
>
>Yes, I understood what you were trying to say in your posts and I did not
think
>that you object to one religion and you accept another instead. 
>
>I wrote to ask about the principals behind your arguments. It seems to me that
>you were not consistent in what you hold. You argue for a power sharing
formula
>in the Lebanon and you explained that some people simply need a guarantee in
the
>form of political power, despite being undemocratic 100%.
>On the other hand, you want full democracy and full equality in the case of an
>islamic state (or in any other religious state as you had explained).
>
>So the point is one of consistency. I beleive that one should have the same 
>criteria that he uses for all his judgments.
>
>Note here, that I am not criticising your stands or your opinions about Islam,
>neither I am criticising your opinions about the power sahring formula.


etc.

My principle is the following: Pluralism (real pluralism that is)

I am against a religious state, becuase this goes against my belief in
pluralism.

I have accepted the formula of 1943 since I believed (note the past tense) that
this formula was one that was agreed upon by the different communities.

Now this formula, if it did its job orot, is not wanted by very many Lebanese.
Thefore, I will not work to keep it, since againg it goes against my
understanding of Pluralism.

Let us find a solution:

My suggestion is the following:

deep rooted pluralism!

this means that we learn with our mother's milk that we should tolerate those
who are not like us. We need not understand them, but we can befriend them and
live hapilly with them.

THis principle be written in our constitution, and give every community (todauy
religious, but later on maybe other types of communities) a veto right on any
MAJOR changes in the status of individuals or the country as a whole.

If we get to do this, then what form of government we have, who is president
and who prime minster, is irrelevant as long as they are competent persons.

>I. Ballouz



elie wardini
From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Litani River
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:34:07 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

In article <1992Nov13.173147.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:
> - friend's cloak. You see, Israel diaproves of the PLO, since it says that the
> - PLO has on its agenda to wipe Israel off the map.
> 
> 
> 	I fail to see how this makes Israel a wolf. If anything, the
> 	wolf is the PLO, isn't it?

The wolf is the one who somebodies else land and country. Not the one who is
fighting to get thier land back? 

> 
> 	That's perfectly ok. I don't trust Lebanon either. Now we

Who is the one that is armed to the teeth, and only lives off the hand outs of 
the USA and the blood money of the Jews killed by the Natzis and wages a war 
that kills 25,000 innocent civilians an injures at least 100,000 civilians 
and participates in masacares in the name of peace for a stolen land.

> 	have to decide whether we want to continue mistrusting
> 	each other or perhaps try to overcome the mistrust. I think
Peace will not happen without Justise for the Palestinians. Including the 1948
lot. Who want to go back to their homes. 
> 	that the various peace-talk committees were meant to steer 
> 	us in the latter direction, and I have to admit that I like
> 	this direction better.
> 
> Noam


Kamie
From: rbaroody@cs.mcgill.ca (Ramzi BAROODY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:16:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov21.211656.5341
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada


From Shaqeeqa's message on the subject of Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)


> How can Jesus, if he were God Himself,
> call on God as a father or need to die as a way of having people believe in
> him?
>

Jesus did not NEED to die; he CHOSE to die.  And the purpose of his death
was not to make people believe in him, but to be a sacrifice for the sins
of mankind.


Ramzi


P.S.  I do not think this discussion fits into the scope of this newsgroup.
	 A better place to discuss them would be soc.religion.christian
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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
Organization: UiO
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:24:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.115232.25424@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:


in this series of articles, I have written many things which are negative about
Islam.

I would like to clarify, unprompted by anyone, that I am against all religion
becoming a state religion.

Thus my contentions with Islam in these articles are based on condition that
religion becomes the ruling law of a country.

Moreover I would like to add that I am just as opposed to having ANY religion
as a state religion. I oppose that Christianity or Judaism etc. be the basis of
a state.

When humans argue that they are speaking in the name of God, and actually get
the power to back their arguments, they end up believing that they actually are
God (Istaghfara Allah!) and start acting as such. 

THIS APPLIES FOR ANY RELIGION! WE SAW THAT IT HAPPENED WITH CHRISTIAn STATES,
IT HAPPENED IN MULSIM STATES AND IT HAPPENED WITH A JEWISH STATE!


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: My God!!!!
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:24:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.114756.19123@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>
ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.113306.27319@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:
>> 
>>from: Elie Wardini
>>subject: My God!!!!!!
>>
>>quote:
>>
>>Subject: ANALYSIS: LEBANON'S PRIME MINISTER BUILDS UP MEDIA ...
>>
>>By ALI JABER 
>>  BEIRUT (NOV. 20) DPA - After adding political power to his enormous
financial
>>strength, Rafik Hariri, Lebanon's new prime minister, is on his way to
becoming
>>the Arab world's media tycoon. 
>[  ...  ]
>>   "I need a press that can compliment my work in building a healthy country,
>>not sabotage my job," he said. 
>>
>>end of quote.
>>
>>Hariri SAL! We can see the contours of the New Lebanon!
>>
>Well, if he saying that he needs a press to complement his work, it does not
>mean that you can not get your own media or he is going to shut down what you
>have/will have in the future.
>
>Ministers before obtained and still run their own media despite being
officials 
>in the government. It did not seem to bother anybody!

Ibrahim, you should not tell me that no one was bothered by the fact that some
ministers owned and still own much of the Lebanes media. Since I would have
reacted similarly.

Note I am not against private media, but I am against we comming up in a
situation where we are dependant on a person or a private organisation to
"present Lebanon" through the media. I am against someone becaoming a meida
moger to the point where the views of one beome the "official" news. 

Note how Mr. Hariri said that due to the fact that some Lebanese media have
some negative views on some Arab countries, these have refused to give Lebanon
money. His aim was to rectify ths fact. If this does not bother you, I don't
know what will?

We are not bound to set our media to suit anybody but our conscious.

and then, iot s not Hariri's media we must build up, it is the govenment's
system. What if Mr. Hariri needs to leave the job? What if Mr. Hariri did a bad
job? and we ask him to leave? then we return to zero? 

No I don't mind that Hariri buys all he can to better his conditions, but I am
agianst giving away all sense of critique and selling all my [as a citizen]
means of crontrol.

THis is not just a nother buisiness deal, Hariri shold build Lebanon and not
his empire!

>I. Ballouz


Elie wardini
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:28:20 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Nasri writes:
>For those of you who do not understand how Jesus can be the Son of God and be
>God at the same time, here is  an analogy.

[deleted]

So how can you explain God dividing Himself into three equal parts?  How is
it that God could give birth to Himself?  Die on the cross - betrayed by the
people whom he considered his 'chosen' ones?  Isn't being a human take away
from the complete divinity of God Himself?

It is too hard to believe there is any logic behind this '3 in 1' theory.
Isn't this an old Greek-Roman philosophy?

>much more complicated of course.  And this is why Jesus told us that he was the
> sun of GOD, the Father.

If it was meant for all mankind to believe in, why is it that it is so
complicated to understand?  And where is it written in the Bible that Jesus
supposedly proclaims that he is the son of God (astaghfir Allaho atheem)?

Wouldn't that (shouldn't) also apply to Adam?  And didn't Jesus say that
there is only one God and to worship Him only?  How can Jesus be the 'Son of
Man' and the 'Son of God' (astaghfir Allah) at the same time?

Are you Greek or Russian orthodox?

Thanks -

Anisa
 
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