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From: sboswell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Xianity is stupid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: MINISTRY, SKREW & HARDCORE INDUSTRIAL
Keywords: MINISTRY HARDCORE INDUSTRIAL
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:45:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Buz5G3.A44@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee) writes:
>Apart from Ministry and Skrew, I know of
>no other hardcore industrial band. There must be more!
>So big or small please give me some names. I need an
>industrial hardcore fix - bad!

Two must-have groups are Lard and Old.  Lard is Ministry with
Jello Biafra singing.  If you're also a DK fan then RUN DON'T WALK
and get "The Last Temptation Of Reid".  You'll love it.

Old has two albums out, the one you'll find in the normal record
stores is called "Lo Flux Tube".  Incredible.  They've got
instrumental sounds in there that I know don't exist naturally.

I have Skrew and Malhavoc too, and out of all my hardcore industrial,
I think Old is my favorite.  Buy it.  Buy it now.

Any other hardcore industrial out there?
(BTW: I picked up an Angkor Wat CD a few days ago, it's all metal...
was it supposed to be?  It was mentioned on this group...)

Steve Boswell
whatis@ucsd.edu
From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: MINISTRY, SKREW & HARDCORE INDUSTRIAL
Keywords: MINISTRY HARDCORE INDUSTRIAL
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:22:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.spray.717805340
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <38763@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> sboswell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Xianity is stupid) writes:

>Old has two albums out, the one you'll find in the normal record
>stores is called "Lo Flux Tube".  Incredible.  They've got
>instrumental sounds in there that I know don't exist naturally.

When Old played Dallas a while back, I pointed out to the bass
player that I thought they sounded like an industrial version
of Rush.  The bassist relayed it to the guitar/keyboard player.
Apparently, I was not the first to point out this similarity!

--Rob  spray@convex.com
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Final Pup?
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:09:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>Please assuage my fears, but Id heard rumours that _Last Rights_ was
>>the Pups last album under the Skinny Puppy moniker.  Now, I know all
>>about the Pigface project, and I recently saw an advert on Doubting
>>Thomas, a project featuring, if I recall correctly, Ogre and Key.
>>But is _Last Rights_ really the last?
>>
>>Sean Anthony M.
>
>
> Why is it so horrible when a band disbands? Itis a great point of moving
>on. Look what staying together did to the Cure. Of course the only bad
>thing that could happen after a band breaks up is a "comeback" tour...

I think it's a great thing when a band knows when to hang it up.  Look at
Jane's Addiction.  Two masterpiece studio albums, and they were done.  Nothing
is worse than a band which outstays its welcome, is rehashing material, or is
simply tired.  Just look at the Cure, R.E.M. (at times), F.L.A. (here come the
flames!), and after Last Rights, I would include Skinny Puppy (more flames).

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From: ddcoffman@acs.harding.edu (CyberDragon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.folk,rec.music.dementia
Subject: Re: LESBIGAY MUSICIAN NAMES NEEDED.
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:06:54 GMT
Reply-To: ddcoffman@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

In article <1992Oct6.205203.2560@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) writes:
>...
>...
>Also - Depeche Mode, like it or not... you know, the curly-haired one
>who writes all the songs. One from the first album goes "Hey you're
>such a pretty boy!". And there's a few on transvestism, which of
>course is NOT necessarily linked to homosexuality...
>
>..
>..
>..
>..

pardon me, but just so you know...

martin gore (the curly-haired one) was not the songwriter on the first album
("speak and spell" if you want to know), but rather it was vince clark... yes,
the erasure vince clark... yes, he was an original member of depeche mode...


: cyberdragon :
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.folk,rec.music.dementia
From: pauly@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sky Cries Mary)
Subject: Re: LESBIGAY MUSICIAN NAMES NEEDED.
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:56:16 GMT

Get some PHRANC Cd's.  She's really funny...
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: H E L L O ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:14:59 CST
Followup-To: alt.newbie,misc.test,rec.music.industrial
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <BvAs50.BFC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
 
> Because this newsgroup is useless?  Because every other posting in
> this newsgroup is worthless? 

ah.. excuse me! 
pardon me my dear 
but in case you haven,t noticed yet
every other post on this group is
BY
YOU!!


> 
> OH GEE - JUST ME OPINION!!!:):):) HEH HE HE HEHH HEHEHEHEHE
> JUST DONT FLAME ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BECAUSE I SAY SO, THAT'S WHY!!!
> AND BECAUSE YOU CAN'T READ!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAhaHAH.

strange!
I thought overt self manipulation lead to blindness!!
but this is quite inexplainable
unless ofcoarse
one of the gonads functions as a brain
and the skull encases 
testes......

.....nevermiiiind
just stating the very
VERY
obvious

an offering of 
compassion
from flesh chamber9
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Ministry article in Pulse! October issue
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:38:45 GMT

saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:

>For those who are interested, there's a decent sized article with Al quotes
>in the new Pulse! October issue, Tower Records free magazine they have at the
>exits. 

>In it, Uncle Al has lotsa comments about going more metal, use of drugs, the
>future of other projects, etc.  I found it relatively interesting.  Would be
>entertaining to see what people think of it.  I'd be willing to post it here
>(and break a few copyright laws) just to see the flames.  
So DO IT!  if not for yourself, then for those of us who don't have a Tower
Records in state.
coprophiliac


>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>--saeed jaffer        		so this is what i came here for?
>saeed@watson.ibm.com  		i don't think i can play your game
>saeed@athena.mit.edu  		you may not agree with what i say
>				none of us are perfect in every way
>						-J. Cavalluzzo	
>----------------------------------------------------------------------					


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Subject: Re: More dilution of the holy draught of Industrialism....
Followup-To: alt.flame
Keywords: Blood Makes Noise, Sells Discs....
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 23:11:15 GMT

In article <1722@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) writes:
>Even the
>horrible Michael Hutchence has resorted to compressing the bejeepers out
>of *his* vocals,

        Wasn't George Michael the first to be consistently identified with
excessive compression (i.e. Dolby A encoding) anyway?

> and some wags actually have the nerve to suggest that
>the "bullhorn vocals" school was the brainchild of that poseur Tom Waits
>[who has, incidentally, rolled with the punches rather well, n'est-ce pas?

        One would be on thin ground if he/she were to try to seriously advance
the claim that Tom Waits has compromised his musical style in order to stay
financially afloat to any degree greater than, say, Alain Jourgensen does.
(OK, Alain Jourgensen is a bad example, since the average age of his target
audience has been getting steadily younger with each album...but you get the
idea.)  Also, Waits makes no claim to "living out" the lifestyles described in
his music.

>His new one is almost industrial :-)....or at least considerably more
>authentic than a fair amount of what's out there ;-).].

        I'd like to see this definition of "authentic" that Mr. Gregory Taylor
is using.  From what little he has written above, it sounds like an awfully
stupid one (although that is probably his point).  Same goes for the use of the
words "industrial" and "poseur".  When it comes down to it, any debating over
"authenticity" in the context of the "industrial culture" is oxymoronic.
"Industrial music" was a stupid idea when "Genesis P-Orridge" and friends
conceived of it back in the mid-1970s, and it hasn't gotten any better over
time.

>Besides - everyone knows that industrial bands ripped off their
>drumkits listening to Petie Gabriel's sampled percussion manglings on
>that ancient Fairlight and Phil Collins' gated snares circa PG III.

        As long as we're going to start crediting people, we ought to credit
than Hugh Padgham and the designers who conceived of, and programmed, the AMS
"NONLIN" reverberation algorithm for the "Intruder" snare drum sound.

>Seems to me that the stuff she's writing "fits" pretty well with the 
>claustrophobic spaces Froom set up for her [why should *that* be an
>"industrial only" thing?]. When "opening up" one's sound is applied
>to the commercially sanctioned provocations of Rev. Al, it's okay. When
>SV does it, we whine and make reference to Extreme? I get it....

        It is, as you would probably agree, because Suzanne Vega is female, and
macho-bad-boy-dickhead Alain Jourgensen has been working this P.R. thing for
longer than she has.

>Is this place restricted to being a whiny boys-in-black club where we
>deplore the passing of "real" music in our genre?

        Yeah, pretty much, I'm sad to opine.


-- 
John Davison
davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Subject: Re: flesh comes clean(Ken Ken Heelloo!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:13:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.182758.6549@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
>>>Is it that you don't get enough attention??
>>>just wondering!!
>>>noah
>>
>>Did you really need to repost the whole thing????
>>And why is it that you have to make a comment for everything??
>>Is it that you don't get enough attention??
>>just wondering!!
>>matthew
>
>I've been meaning to ask you.....
>Is that Mentor Graphics your working for????????
>Well geesh if so hope you don't get layed off!!!!!!
>Ha! you are truely a joke.
>Get a real job!
>And by the way if indeed you have to repeat everything
>I say......try and use your own wording or some low
>level of intelligence!!!!! Like you usually do cause I
>miss it alot!!!!!! Ha ya right........................
>Well I guess I'll come back later to see your 
>idiotic posting and in return flame you back as well!!!
>I mean if people didn't flame you back you'd be all
>lonesome and have nobody to play with!!!!!! And well....
>you know.....that would have some sort of physical damage
>to your already retarded state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>My views are of my own opinions and in no way of Cadence Design Systems
>the leading company in EDA/ICdesign Software!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>------------------------------------------------------------------------


Dear Geek,            
	Here is some free information for you.  Please
keep it in mind, as, when you learn to think, it may
come in handy.

	1.   *.edu indicates that I am posting from a UNIVERSITY,
	     not a "graphics company."

	2.   I also have a job, but would never be stupid enough
	     to post from there, as I do not intend to keep that
	     job forever, and wish to use them as a reference some day.
	     I suppose you have climbed as far on the economic ladder
	     as you are ever going to, so you may disregard this
	     information.

	3.   By repeating what someone says, you mock them and point
	     out the inanity and pointlessness of their posting.  This
	     is not indicative of a low level of creativity.

	4.   Please conform to the accepted standards of punctuation,
  	     grammar, and spelling.  This will enable all of us to 
	     at least textually understand what it is that is on your
	     incredible mind.





God be with you,
Matthew "BA" Neill Sharp
matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Missi Wilkenfeld)
Subject: Re: I want to hear...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:48:20 GMT

steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>
>--
> "Y'all ain't from around here are ya?" - The best complement I ever got, from 
>                                          a local in Defiance, Ohio, BFE

HEHEHEH I was in Seymour Indiana only known as the Birthplace of John
Cougar Mellancamp and a local said to me and my friends (order of
importantance not good grammer I know) anyway "You boys ain't from
around here is ya?"  Very close ya know.. Those midwest hick towns are
all alike I guess.

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From: smiley@akasha.eng.hou.compaq.com (Colin Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: kmfdm
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:26:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: akasha.SMILEY.92Oct6092650
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation


In article <BvnsJy.EL6@rice.edu> mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:

   kmfdm are playing houston on november 6...

   same night as morrissey  :)



Yeah, I am really broken up about the choice I am going to have to
make.


NOT


Colin


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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Nathan.Bowen <Nathan.Bowen@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: TKK Quote (Can anyone identify?)
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 22:26:00 GMT
Keywords: Nervous Xians

>It was almost like he didn't say it.  It's hard to explain, but
>when you've heard it over and over and then finally hear it
>from the original source you get this weird feeling.  I know I
>did. 

I know exactly what you mean...  Like the "You scared?  Is that what you are?"
 "I'm not scared."  "Well, what are you?"  from Skinny Puppy.. I was quite
surprised the first time I watched "Communion."  I'd be interested in hearing
the sources of ANY samples that anyone can think of... And, for any artists
out there, where do you look for samples?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: $5 Bill Redacted:
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:16:28 GMT
Organization: Charnel House

sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew Sharp) writes:
: 
: I have all the lyrics to the Joy Division stuff.  Send me your
: snailmail address.

But Joy Division aren't industrial, so I don't think anyone cares.





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From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Subject: Re: FLA among other things
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:37:31 GMT

msimla@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Michael Simla) writes:

>Hi there people... I have a question... (btw: this question wasn't 
>answered in the FAQ :) In Front Line Assembly's video _Mind Phazer_ where 
>did they get the footage... Is it all original or was it taken off some 
>obscure movie that I've never heard of? It's one of the coolest videos 
>I've seen in a while... It looks like it cost big $$$.... Anyway, thanks 
>in advance for the info...

I read in an interview with Bill Leeb (aka Wilhelm Schroeder) that they
worked out some sort of deal for the footage from some Japanese film
company. I guess the original Japanese film was never completed or something,
and so they got the footage for next-to-nothing, at least relative to what
it would have cost if they had undertook to film it themselves.


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From: bennett@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Foetus lyrics, anyone?
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:38:35 EDT

Ya know, I've always hated requests like these.
But anyway, I've looked on every ftp site I know, and I can't find the one
with Foetus lyrics. I'm specifically looking for the lyrics to the Scraping
Foetus "Nail" ablum (as we say in O-hi-o). So feel free to mail them to me
(awful damned magnanimous of me to let you mail them to me, huh?) if you
want. But posting the location of the ftp site (I _know_ I saw one a while 
back. Luckily, I didn't bother to write it down.) would hopefully be 
sufficient. If it has what I'm looking for.
Thanks,
Bob Bennett
bennett@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: Re: Couple of things about NIN - Broken...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.045223.23006@athena.mit.edu> valerie@athena.mit.edu (who me?) writes:
>In article <Bv9Lqr.1pA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) writes:
>> kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Kevin Tieskoetter) writes:
>>
>>>And what is it with the warning "Caution: not for use with mono
>>>devices"?
>>
>>I have no idea.....
>
>Well, a couple of housemates of mine (we here at MIT are just *so*
>inquisitive) decided to find out.  The report is that much of the
>contents of the right and left channels are seriously out of phase, and
>a lot of the sound (especially the bass, so they say) cancels out due to
>the destructive interference.
>
>In layman's terms, it sounds awful in mono.  Don't bother.

If this were true then the out-of-phase sound waves from the left and right
speakers (especially the bass) would cancel in the listening room, even
though the signal is stereo.  The only way to really hear the music without
interference would be to isolate each channel by using headphones.
I'm no engineer, but this just seems intuitive.  
I think Trent's "warning" is meant as a joke. 
I'd like to hear any sound engineers out there comment on this.

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From: johnson@snake14.cs.wisc.edu (Kai Johnson)
Subject: Re: Die Warzau
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:33:39 GMT

ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Sokhyon Pak) writes:

>   Anybody have word, any word on Die Warzau?  I wasn't too impressed by
>their last effort.... but I think Disco Rigido was pretty good...... 
>Anything new? anybody know? does anybody care?

Two singles from "Big Metal Electric Bass Face": Funkopolis and Never Again.
Both the CDs I have were cheap ~$6 for ~35 min. If you didn't like BMEBF you'll
probably not like the singles. Check out the b-sides, though. Aye Corrido! kicks
(that's what really turned me on to their latest stuff), and Never Again has a
couple of live tracks: Cold and Land Of The Free.

-Kai Johnson
From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Last Pup!
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:02:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph Velardi) writes:


>Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.industrial: 28-Sep-92 Re: Last Pup! by
>DICKENJD@ctrvx1.vanderbi 
>>         From what I understand, Key said in some interview not too far
>> back that Ogre was better to work with now (LR Tour) than he had 
>> been for years... everything I've heard points to more SP in the
>> future..

>You're darn tootin'.  Reports I've seen in indie mags claim Ogre's off
>the heroin and into herbs, so to speak.  He's been a strict vegetarian
>since sometime last January.  Nothing but clean living for him.

I read in an interview that Ogre cleaned up sometime around the beginning
of the Pigface tour. According to the article, he had a $5000 a month drug
habit, where he would shoot up with cocaine to get high, and to get *down*,
he'd shoot up with heroin. Jeez...