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From: sanchez@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Rafael O.S. Lamoso <A man on a mission>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Maoist revolution
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:59:30 EST

In article <l5q097INNheh@alcor.usc.edu>, echeverr@chaph.usc.edu (5150) writes:
> In article <92191.102705ASE100@psuvm.psu.edu> <ASE100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> Esto es una respuesta a los senores Echevarri y Sangurima. No se de donde son
>> originalmente. Tal vez no importa. Pero de hecho tenemos distintos views en
>> cuanto al peligro que presenta Sendero Luminoso.
> 
> [borrado] EchevErri, por favor :)
> 
>>Eso del free speech es muy bueno para aquel que su vida no depende del free
>>speech de otros. Pero para miles de peruanos si significa tener que enfren-
>>tarse todos los dias a la violencia, la miseria y la desarticulacion que trae
>> SL.
> 
> No lo niego. Pero, Alejandro, recuerda que este pais es los Estados Unidos de
> America.  La primera enmienda a la constitucion garantiza libertad de expresion
> en el pais.  Esto significa que hasta gente odiosa como el Sendero tienen el
> derecho a decir lo que les venga en gana (con excepcion de "palabras incitando
> pelea" que fue establecido en Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, en 1942, cuando
> un hombre insulto a una autoridad local en Rochester, NY, causando una pelea;
> la corte decidio que sus insultos, por incitar bronca, no estaban protegidos
> por la Primera Enmienda)
> 
> En Peru, que les censuren. En cualquier otro pais que no tenga una ley al
> respecto de libertad de expresion hablada, que les censuren. Pero mientras
> SL quiera expresarse en los EEUU, puede hacerlo. (Desgraciadamente)
> 
> Este derecho fue ratificado recientemente por la Corte Suprema, que anulo' una
> ley establecida en Minnesota contra "hate expression" aludiendo al Ku Klux
> Klan y su 'hobby' de quemar cruces.
> 
> Personalmente, yo creo que (desgraciadamente) la Corte tuvo razon. La Primera
> Enmienda especificamente previene al Congreso y a los gobiernos locales (esta-
> dos y condados) de crear leyes que impidan o inhiban "freedom of speech".
> 
>> Mientras en el Peru la casa se esta quemando, aca estamos discutiendo que es
>> el fuego? (lease "free speech" de los maoistas)
>> No acuso a nadie de comunista ni maoista. Simplemente pido respeto por aque-
>> llos que sufren a diario la realidad de SL.
> 
> Y lo tienes.  Pero te pido (de nuevo) que entiendas la situacion aqui en las
> Yonaited.  Aqui no se censura.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
             |
             v

          !Que-queeeeeeeeee!  ?Que aqui' no se censura?

         **
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         _/ "ja,ja,ja,ja,ja,ja,ja......."


> -- 
> Ron Echeverri                     |
> echeverr@chaph.usc.edu            |       "I don't THINK so."
> rone@skat.usc.edu                 |                 - Homey The Clown
> flames: nobody@usc.edu            |
From: cgarrido@cats.ucsc.edu (Cristobal Garrido)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Female Bar flies and American GIs in Panama
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:49:33 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


REPLY TO: FEMALE BAR FLIES AND AMERICAN GIs IN PANAMA.

Ruth:
	I am Panamanian and this story of yours is not the only one.
I do think you're over reacting to the issue. I don't think that these
young women are going to show up at your door; they might not even have
enough money to reide a bus in Panama City, so it'd be less likely for
them to board a plane and come to the U.S. to make your life "miserable."
	I wonder how you found out about this "bar fly" having already
four childre and her tubes tied when she met your boyfriend. Did your
boyfriend tell you that story??  If he did, it could B.S. Any of these
children could be his and you wouldn't even know it. When these GIs 
return to the U.S. to remake their lives, they ignore, neglect, and
deny any affair they had in Panama with these female "bar flies" and,
many times, with other lower class but honnest and descent women. If
your ex GI boyfriend did have kid(s) with this woman, it's his responsi-
bility to support the kid that belong to him financially whether they're
here in the U.S. or in Panama. If this woman is saying that these are
"their" kids, it's for some reason.
	Now, in regards to her eldest daughter, your boyfriend shouldn't
be held responsible for that baby she had with the other GI, but here
you can see a clear example of how American GIs treat Panamanian women:
they use our women as instruments to have fun and then dump them, not
caring if they bear children or not. They sometimes go to the point of
promising "marriage" to some of these women, and all of a sudden they
disappear and leave these women alone with their bastard kids. If 
American GIs want to have fun, they have to learn to bear the serious
consequences that kind of entertainment might bring. 
	I don't want to create stereotypes about American GIs abroad,
because I've personally met responsible ones that do take responsibility
of their deeds. However, many of them are not that way, which is disgrace-
ful.
	Now, if you really want to marry your boyfriend, I'd recommend
that you really find out about that affair he had in Panama, not
superficially, but in depth. If any of the kids belong to him, you
should open your eyes and see the kind of man you're going to be marrying.
These "Bar flies" as your boyfriend and you call them are women just like
you and deserve the same kind of treatment for them as well as for their
kids, no matter where they (or you) are.
	Moving on about the welfare system in Panama, the government
doesn't provide one or an adequate one. Remember that you are not dealing
with an industrialized country. But do you think that your country (the
U.S., I suppose) has adequate one being a super-power?
The only welfare system that Panama has is what I call in English the
"junlgle law": You've got to survive, no matter how!

				Cristobal Garrido
				cgarrido@cats.UCSC.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: Dr. Arnold Matlin <ahmatlingvcp@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:33 PDT
Subject: Re: Cuban-Cubans speak on Cuba
Nf-ID: #R:ucdavis.ucdavis.edu:15346:cdp:1473800092:000:984
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ahmatlingvcp    Jul 22 14:33:00 1992


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re:Cuban-Cubans  sspeak on Cuba
	Sounds like another look at the symptoms rather than the disease.
Any small country under economic attack by the U.S. will be out of light
bulbs and toilet paper.
	Nicaragua was in the same dismal economic shape in the late 880's
and early 90's.  It takes a certain amount of chutzpah for our govern-
ment to use economic warfare to bring a country to its knees and then
proclaim that its leaders are making economic mistakes.
	Cuba today is a besieged nation and mtaking the same steps that
most nqations take when they are under attack.
	If and when the U.S. can reestablish control over Cuba, we will
see the same return of the "Miami Boys" that we saw in Nicaragua.  There
will be plqenty of light bulbs and toilet paper on the shelves of the
stores, but the average person won't be able to afford them.
	LLLet's keep up the struggle for a normalization of relations
with Cuba and the watch what happens.  
        In Solidarity
	Arnie Matlin
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Hola a todos y todas!! ;-)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:22:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Jul27.234010.23028@dcc.uchile.cl> psilva@dcc.uchile.cl (SILVA OSORIO PABLO WASHINGTON) writes:
>Quiero volver a repetir la pregunta que puse el soc.culture.spain,
>Porque cuando llegan los espan~oles a Chile (se supone que me refiero desde
>1939---- hasta la fecha), les da con ponerse e instalarse con Panaderias o
>Ferreterias?, se da lo mismo en los otros paises latinos :-)??.
>
>   gracias por sus respuestas!!
>
>Pd: esto lo pregunto porque a los Alemanes les da con ponerse con negocios
>    de fiambreria, los italianos Panaderia o Restorant.
>
 

  En Cuba la mayoria de los espan~oles abrian una bodeguita o bodega 
  (grocery store, market), pero tambien ferreterias (hardware store)
  despues que trabajan con sus tios o hermanos por un tiempo.
 
  Una de las con~as o burlas que nosotros los criollos deciamos de los
  espan~oles recien llegados a la isla era que a estos "gallegos" le
  gustaba tanto ahorrar su dinero para abrir su bodeguita tan pronto
  como fuera posible que en vez de gastarse 2-5 pesos en acostarse con
  una puta, preferian hacerse una "paja" (masturbarse) sentados en la
  trastienda en un cajon de papas diciendo mientras se "batian" el
  miembro "ahora mismo me he ganado 5 pesos extra"! :-)
 
  Saludos,
--
Ray I. Ravelo                 "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing.  Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                    from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: mousques@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Gaston Mousques)
Subject: hi
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:01:53 GMT

CAAhellp I mean: Hellp
I mean :  Helklo

I mean : hello everybody!  This editor's so difficult to use!

My namew ll    My name is James an d I am   28 years old .
I would like to 'practicar me espanol con todos el mundos'

Please write to me and let's learn it toguejjjf together!

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Date: 31 Jul 92 03:01:53 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Distribution: world
Subject: hi
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CAAhellp I mean: Hellp
I mean :  Helklo

I mean : hello everybody!  This editor's so difficult to use!

My namew ll    My name is James an d I am   28 years old .
I would like to 'practicar me espanol con todos el mundos'

Please write to me and let's learn it toguejjjf together!

:s
:sq
:S
:!s
:m
::m
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From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: answer to Cristobal on the bar flies (my term not his)
Keywords: bar flys, welfare system, hookers, making money the hard way
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:18:15 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

Dearest Cristobal,

	"Bar flys" was my term, not his.  While I have proof that all
four children were born before he arrived there- I also have noticed a
great deal of caring and kindness on his part towards the "parent figure."
He always treated the woman with kindness and respect and always spoke of
her as one speaks of a friend.  While he knew she was impoverished and
desperate- he never spoke of her in derogatory terms.  

	In fact, whenever he mentioned her, he always said "the lady I
knew,"  he never called her by a descriptive or negative term.  I think 
American GI men enjoy a sense of superiority when they become "the
great white hope" to these women.  Myself- I'm very clear about it-
I won't share a damned thing...ever.  For that reason, I want to know
what his legal obligations are if any and can  a child raised with the
idea that she in fact, has a "daddy" do anything about having that wish
realized if she should take it to court (as an adult).

	That's why I'm asking now because "my deuda is your deuda"...
From: psilva@dcc.uchile.cl (SILVA OSORIO PABLO WASHINGTON)
Subject: Hola a todos y todas!! ;-)
Originator: psilva@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:40:10 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile - Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

Quiero volver a repetir la pregunta que puse el soc.culture.spain,
Porque cuando llegan los espan~oles a Chile (se supone que me refiero desde
1939---- hasta la fecha), les da con ponerse e instalarse con Panaderias o
Ferreterias?, se da lo mismo en los otros paises latinos :-)??.

   gracias por sus respuestas!!

Pd: esto lo pregunto porque a los Alemanes les da con ponerse con negocios
    de fiambreria, los italianos Panaderia o Restorant.
From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: How to stop a Panamanian Bar Fly from asking for money from GI...
Keywords: welfare needs of Panama, hookers on the prowl.
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:48:39 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

I'm asking for constructive recommendations born of logic not nationalistic
sentiment resulting from homesickness on anyone's part.

My boyfriend was stationed in Panama (18 or so years ago) and while there,
he got involved with a woman who already had four children and her tubes tied.
Naturally, when the tour was over, he returned to his life in the US.  The
woman however, continues to write to ask for money and refers to her children
as "their" children.  Her eldest daughter, followed suit, got involved, knocked
up and dumped by a GI, and now she too, is writing asking for money.

The second and third children have written a joint letter in which they too,
ask for cash and gifts.  Apparently, this must be a profitable venture because
in their last letter- the envelope was correct but the letter was written to
another GI which leads me to believe they must have a little factory of 
Panamanian Bar Flys sitting around writing money request letters to GIs they've
met through the years and telling each that "I'll love you forever, I'll wait
for you always..."

Can these children claim to have an American father simply by virtue of
calling him "DAD?"  While it's immoral that the parent in this case is encouraging the behavior- is it legal?  I fear that one day, we'll be packing off for 
vacation or something and when we open the door to leave- they'll be
standing there with suitcases and moist eyes saying "daddy", "daddy", "daddy."

Doesn't the Panamanian government have an adequate welfare system?  Should I
worry about this at all or am I over reacting?

I don't want to ignore it and then find myself having to put these women through
college if I marry this man.  Please advise.

nies.
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 19 Jul 92 11:48 PDT
Subject: US Press Story: Pastors for Peace
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800071:000:960
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Jul 19 11:48:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: US Press Story: Pastors for Peace

/* Written  1:50 pm  Jul 18, 1992 by steve in cdp:reg.cuba */
/* ---------- "US Press Story: Pastors for Peace" ---------- */
This is from the San Jose Mercury News; Saturday July 18'th


GROUP TO SEND AID TO CUBA

Defying a US trade embargo, a religious group based in
Minneapolis is preparing to send what it calls the largest 
shipment of US humanitarian aid to Cuba in decades.

Pastors for Peace, and ecumenical network of several
thousand religious activists, announced that beginning
Nov. 6, drivers will set out from 110 northern US
cities collecting donations and putting on educational
programs about Cuba en route.

Tom Hansen, coordinator for Pastors for Peace, said it is 
up to the government to deterimine if such aid is illegal.
Under US law, individuals convicted of violating the embargo
are liable for fines of up to $250,000 and prison sentences of
up to 10 years.
From: jma@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Internet en Panama
Date: 19 Jul 92 20:35:15 GMT

In article <jylxsrp@rpi.edu>, chungy2@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:
> 
> 
> In article <kells.711291463@iis>, kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) writes:
> |> itzel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Itzel Mc Claren) writes:
> |> 
> |> >Quisiera saber si alguno de ustedes sabe acerca de la red internet en Panama> |>
 
> |> According to the list of net sites published in the Internet Society News,
> |> as of 27 April 1992, there are no Bitnet, Internet, UUCP, nor Fidonet
> |> connections to Panama. However, they were expecting "soon" one Bitnet 
> |> connection to be set up (I have no further details).
> |> 
> 
> Si', Panama' tiene connecio'n de internet pero es via Huracan que es fuera
> de Panama'.  No se' cuento cuesta.  Lo que si' se' es que uno paga por mandar
> e-mail y tambie'n el recibir e-mail.
> 
> 
> -F.

Panama' se encuentra conectada a Internet desde hace mas de un an~o (probable-
mente) a traves del nodo Huracan.cr.  Este es administrado por CSUCA, Consejo
Superior de Universidades Centro Americanas, con sede en San Jose, Costa Rica.
El administrador del nodo se llama Theodore Hope y su direccion es
Hope@Huracan.cr.  El puede ofrecer un lista de las personas e instituciones
conectadas al nodo, en Panama' y en el resto de Centro America.  Y si se esta
conectado a una universidad o institucion, no debe costar nada ...

Julio M. Arias
University of Florida
Department of Entomology and Nematology
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:17 PDT
Subject: GALEANO on Cuba
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800098:000:2457
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Jul 23 22:17:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: GALEANO on Cuba

/* Written 10:21 pm  Apr 28, 1992 by kwald in cdp:reg.cuba */
/* ---------- "GALEANO on Cuba" ---------- */
From: Karen Wald <kwald>
Subject: GALEANO on Cuba

Eduardo Galeano on Cuba
 The following is excerpted from an article written by the distinguished Latin 
AMerican historian for Juventud Rebelde. It was printed in English 
in Latinamerica Press, 26 January 1989

Simon Bolivar once said about his friends: "They know how to 
eulogize me, but they don't know how to defend me." I suspect 
something similar is happening with Cuba.
  
For 30 years now, the revolution's defenders have given the 
impresion that Cuba is a paradise. In their love for the island's 
revolution, they have become disrespectful of what is really 
happening.  At the same time, Cuba's enemies, who have so much money 
and power, show a similar disrespect by confusing the revolution 
with hell on earth. 

Honest visitors to Cuba discover a situation that is deceptive and 
contradictory and very earthy.  THe revolution, made of human clay, 
is not hte work of infallible gods or Satanic evildoers:  it is of 
this world -- and by being of this world, it is also of the world to 
come.  

Those who arrive expecting to find a huge concentration camp 
surrounded by palm trees, a cstigaged people condemned to eternal 
fear, will be disconcerted; they will have to be very prejudiced not 
to succumb to the embrace of these loving, protesting people who 
complain and laugh loudly with a dingity and freshness that is 
contagious.

Anyone who does not have cobwebs int heir eyes can see that these 
folks express themselves at full blast and that it is imposible to 
walk a block without running into a hospital or school.

But those who arrive expecting to have a date with the much-heralded 
kingdom of perfect happiness are also deceived.  In Cuba there are 
empty stores, phones that don't work, horrible transportation 
service, a press that sometimes seems like it is reporting about 
another planet, and a bureaucracy that appears bent on making daily 
life into a way of the cross....

But it is also true, undoubedly true, that because of the Cuban 
revolution, Latin America is much more independent and Latin 
American....In these 30 years, Cuba has banquished hunger, 
multiplied Latin American dignity a hundred-fold, and given a 
continuous example of solidarity to the world. No small 
accomplishment.
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:27 PDT
Subject: BRAZIL: FARIAS ANNOUNCES HE WILL RU
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800122:000:2811
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Jul 30 11:27:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: BRAZIL: FARIAS ANNOUNCES HE WILL RU

/* Written 12:16 am  Jul 30, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: BRAZIL: FARIAS ANNOUNCES HE WILL RUN FOR CONGRESS IN 1994


rio de janeiro, jul 27 (ips) -- brazilian businessman paulo cesar
farias, who is at the centre of a major political scandal
involving president fernando collor de mello, has announced his
intention to run as a candidate for the congressional elections
in 1994.

farias, president collor's friend and former campaign
treasurer, is currently being investigated by a parlimentary
commission of inquiry (cpi), following allegations of corruption
and financial irregularities against him.

after nearly six weeks of silence, farias held a press
conference on saturday night, in which he announced his intention
to run for public office in the 1994 elections.

''i shall be a candidate for federal deputy or the senate for
the state of alagoas (in north eastern brazil) in the next
elections,'' farias told reporters.

the businessman, who is accused of illegal financial activities
and corruption which implicate the president, said he was ''very
poor in comparison with the fortunes amassed by the business
community of sao paulo.''

he said although the commission that is investigating his
business activities ''fulfills a constitutional role, it is being
deformed by some members who want to turn it into a revolutionary
tribunal.''

farias said he was ''the victim of a web of intrigue'' and
criticised the cpi for ''investigating and judging at the same
time.''

however, he defended president collor and said calls for his
impeachment ''are the idea of half a dozen guerrillas'' intent on
disrupting the country. ''the president's conduct has been
balanced and correct,'' farias said.

the businessman said he was ''devoted to god'' and was praying
for another opportunity to testify before the commission.
''nobody is more willing that i to return to the cpi.''

after being closely questioned by the commission on june 9,
farias told members, ''we're all hypocrites on matters of
electoral law. everyone here has done something (illegal) and
nobody has the courage to admit it.''

farias was referring to the fact that candidates seldom
declare the total amount of campaign funds they have raised to
the supreme electoral tribunal.

senator jose paulo bisol, a cpi member, expressed doubts that
farias would be called to testify a second time before the
commission. ''he has no grounds to demand another cpi hearing. he
promised to send us some documents, but so far we haven't
received them.'' (ends/ips/trd/gc/sfi/cg/92)
----
From: harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow)
Subject: Re: Computers in Germany & Russian Travelers
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:11:25 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

 > From: overmyer@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Scott Overmyer)
 > Subject: Computers in Germany & Russian Travelers
 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:08:40 GMT
 > 
 > I have a friend in Russia who has heard that computers are very
 > inexpensive in Germany (I don't believe it) and would like to travel
From my experience cars and computers in Germany are relatively
reasonably priced.
But then, how many Rubles are there to the Mark?
-- 

"When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro."  Hunter S. Thompson

Steve Harlow, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA
From: mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Konfiszierung des Hochgeschwindigkeitsmodems in Deutschland
Date: 28 Jul 1992 19:20:58 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.89.16.47

In article <jgs.712340259@MCS-IPC-6> jgs@mcs-ipc-6.Stanford.EDU (Josef G.
Schreiner) writes:
>Was soll das heissen? Ist das nur auf Muenchen begrenzt? Was kann man
>dagegen machen?

So was kann auch nur in Deutschland geschehen. Alles muss man
registrieren...Schnurlose telefone, modems, was als naechstes? Ich glaube nicht
das ihr da viel gegen machen koennt (Ich nehme an es begrenzt sich nicht auf
Muenchen), ausser euch zusammen zu tun, Unterschriften sammeln und eine Anklage
beim Post Minister einreichen. 

								_Mike_

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