From: randy#@shocker.ee.twsu.edu (Randy Sessions - Super Acct)
Subject: Re: Does his leadership still count?
Organization: Electrical Engr. Dept, Wichita State Univ.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:05:25 GMT
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In article <1992Oct7.170918.17512@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
>Subject: Does his leadership still count?
>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:09:18 GMT
>Here's a BSA advancement question.  There has been a difference of
>opinion over it among typical members of Boards of Review-
>
>  A boy who advanced to First Class while in the 6th grade served as
>  a Den Chief while in the 7th grade.  At the time, the Scoutmaster
>  determined that his work was satisfactory and that he did meet
>  the leadership requirement for Star;  the Advancement Chairman
>  at the time (me) was also satisfied that he met the requirement,
>  so it was recorded on his advancement record.
>
>  He never completed the other requirements for Star (primarily
>  merit bades and service project) and dropped out of the Troop
>  after the 7th grade.  He has just rejoined (10th grade) and
>  because we have "High Adventure" activities for Star and above,
>  he wanted to know what it would take for him to advance (and he
>  specifically mentioned that he thought the leadership requirement
>  was already met).
>
>Would you count the leadership, or would you make him hold another
>job for 4 months?  I'm prepared to accept it, but there have been some
>questions being raised; the issues are-
>
>     1.	He was not registered as a Scout for 2 years, so what does
>	carry forward over non-continuous membership.  Clearly,
>	things that are awarded, like merit badges and rank, are
>	his, but what about things that are subjective judgments?
>
>     2.	In case any members of the BofR feel that they need to verify
>	what the boy has done, there is no longer any record, except
>	that 2.5 years ago, the Scoutmaster at the time said he
>	did, and there were no objections at the time.  (Also, the
>	rule under which our BofR operates is that the boy is
>	presumed to have met the requirements unless the BofR can
>	prove differently; a maybe/maybe-not or a "We don't know"
>	conclusion means the boy passes, which in this case means
>	that unless anybody knows explicitely why his work as a
>	Den Chief wasn't up to our standards, we have to accept
>	it.)
>-- 
>Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
>UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
>Summit, NJ
>smk@usl.com
My question is, "who would benefit, or be hurt, the most if you did or did 
not honor the leadership service as fulfilling the requirement.  Are we not 
here for the boys?  I have a boy(a cub scout) who has come back after over a 
year of non-activity.  I was told by his fater that he had obtained his 
bobcat and wolf badges.  I have been able to find no records to verify that 
fact.  When I asked about this of one of our local professionsals, he 
replied with the above statement.  The boys best interests should be served.




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