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From: system@korova.uucp (razorback)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.fine,rec.arts.sf-lovers,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger Information - Summary.
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 03:00:42 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

"Adam K. Rixey" <ar2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 	If you're a big Giger fan, you might also want to check out the game
> Darkseed.  I know that it's for the IBM-PC, not sure about other
> computer types.   The Dark World contains art scanned from various Giger
> works, and in hi-resolution it's worth the purchase price for the
> graphics quality alone.


purchase?? FEH. i feh on the concept of purchasing.

(im young, im irresponsible, and i can do these things with a gleeful, 
guiltless innocence so lacking in our society today. lighten UP.)

squid

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: collins@socrates.umd.edu (Jim C)
Subject: GUNHED video avail. ("Mindphaser")
Keywords: gunhed sale video
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:25:08 GMT

I have GUNHED (the movie from which the FLA video "mindphaser" is derived).
I am making copies available for $25, check, cash, m.o. This includes postage.
Send your address and $$ to:
	Jim Collins
	5104 Brentford Dr.
	Rockville, MD 20852-2119
Please allow 3-4 weeks, you may get it sooner depending on response.
This covers my costs plus somewhat limited time.
This is second-generation VHS. Your tape will be on Maxell Gold or equiv.
Jim
-- 
        "By practice, even without understanding, it will be made plain; your
body will understand it long before your mind puts words to it. No amount of
understanding without practice will work. It is not necessary that knowledge 
precede experience. Performance will produce knowledge."
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Origin of ICE
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:26:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <Bu4o40.8y5@world.std.com> kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:
>I was just wondering something about ICE the other day.  Gibson mentions
>in _Neuromancer_ that ICE was created by Tom Maddox.  Anyone know in which
>of his stories it was introduced?

	It wasn't in a published story.  It was in an unpublished ms.
that Gibson read while we were sitting in a bar in Portland, Oregon, and
when he came to the passage with ICE, he said, "Mind if I steal this?"
and I said, "No."  He also lifted the names Hosaka and Jerry Quine from 
the same ms.  

>And, while I'm on the subject of written works, has anyone on the net 
>compiled a canonical cyberpunk story & novel list?
>
	The FAQ will fit the bill, I do believe.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG universe ?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:21:42 GMT

    Whoever wants to live in a Willaim Gibson universe needs to seriously
reconsider thier position. A WG universe is completely deviod of love, humor
and morality. Think of the Sense/Net break-in in Neuromancer. In that
break-in, Case DELIBERATLEY flashed the display screen at a rate that in-
duced seizures. He knew exactly what he was doing and why. What a heartless
,callous person. Yet in a WG universe, this sort of person is considered a
hero!
    In a WG universe life is cheap and people are tools to be discarded.
Criminals are heros and decent person villians. A WG universe has great
tech, but lousy society.
 
 
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From: raa@guild.socal.com (Raa Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Bladerunner 10ann. video
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:30:33 PST
Organization: TheGuild[FTS]

Enhanced? Maybe it's a cross between the Directors cut and the release one with the extra violence in it. I got to take a look into this. Maybe it really IS enhanced.

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From: gray@visix.com (Gray Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Movie:  Sneakers...cyberpunk?
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:09:49 GMT
Reply-To: gray@visix.com (Gray Jones)
Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia


I saw Sneakers last night.  It didn't have any cybernetic implants or anything,
but it had hackers and conspiracies and one major premise is of the movie is that information
is the only thing of real value.  Would any of you call this cyberpunk?  Cyberpunk
or not, it is a great movie.

--gray
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: collins@socrates.umd.edu (Jim C)
Subject: Re: GUNHED video avail. ("Mindphaser")
Keywords: flame n
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:10:06 GMT

In response to Rich's post, obviously, if you have access to a local video 
animation club, get it from them. My decision to make this tape available
came from the number of "me too" responses I got when I was orginally looking
for it. I don't feel 25$ is too much to ask for high-quality tape, postage, 
time, and VCR wear-and-tear, and is the same as other posts I've seen in this 
goup and others. The alternative was to keep it to myself; I'm not in a 
position to offer it for free.
With regard to the rip-off part, anyone in the MD/DC/VA area can come by and 
I'll make it while-u-wait :-). 
BTW, I prefer to think of myself as algae or plankton, rather than "scum" :-).
My experience on the net, unlike Rich's, has been very positive. Everyone
has always come thru with their part of the deal, as have I. Even if you don't
want "gunhed", don't let Rich's comments dissuade you from responding to
other posts, if you see something you want. Bret Halford, in particular,
has an excellent reputation, and offers videos direct from tokyo.
As the saying goes, your mileage may vary.
Any more posted flames will be ignored. Mail flames wil be redirected to
dev > null.
Any questions, please mail me, don't post. If I get a lot of the same question,
I'll post a follow-up.
Jim C.


-- 
        "By practice, even without understanding, it will be made plain; your
body will understand it long before your mind puts words to it. No amount of
understanding without practice will work. It is not necessary that knowledge 
precede experience. Performance will produce knowledge."
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: Why freedom of information must be garenteed!!! [sic]
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:03:38 GMT

In article <Bu08x7.4yo@acsu.buffalo.edu> dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar) writes:
>rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>The number one difference that I can see between animals and humans is that
>>humans are civialized and animals are not (no spelling flames please!).  To
>>be civilalized means that you can act above what Mother Nature wants and
>>change your behavior.  If we can't do that then why don't we just get rid of
>>all intelectual things and go back to hunting with our hands and teeth.
>
>Nooooooo. You have it wrong.

Well, yes, he does.  You can't will yourself to will.  But I see no reason why
we should give up on intellectual pursuits just because we may not meet some
ideal being capable of overcoming all instinct.

>Yes we are capable of the occasional good deed,
>but when it comes down to it we are still just as ruthless as animals.  Yes
>we can change our behavior.  [...]  What we can't do
>is change human nature.  We have for all time been one of the most warlike 
>species.  We have always seen nothing wrong with sticking it to our neighbour
>once in a while.  Society is built on a Dogeatdog type of philosophy.
>Civilized is a relative term.  Yes we have microwave ovens, but too we have
>knives.  

Oh, now this is just a ludicrous a reduction as that of the man you debate
against.  Society is not dog-eat-dog.  That trite saying maligns the dog, which
as far as I know does not actively predate its own species on a whim.

Furthermore, I saw a paper which studied chaotic effects in a simulated
population of people, each with differing strategies for survival.  I think
about three different strategies were considered.  I'll have to look it up.
Sigh.  But the result was chaotic stability and more than one level.  There
are stable "solutions" to society which don't require this absolute dog-eat-dog
mentality you speak of.  Sure it's there in the population, but it's not the
be-all and end-all.

You've fallen into the trap of arguing too hard for the opposite of what you
argue against.

>ALL would have to change their ways.  Why do Utopian colonies fail?  Why
>does communism not work?  BECAUSE WE ARE ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!

No, it failed because it made unrealistic assumptions, such as assuming people
would be naturally unselfish.  I suspect most utopian societies are not
fault-tolerant in that they cannot survive dissenting individuals.  Of course,
such theories just gloss over "minor" details such as teaching/forcing people
into such a unified mindset.  I further conjecture that simply contrived
utopias are unstable (in the sense used by chaos theory) solutions.

>Give it up...
>Peace doesn't exits

Sure it does.  In any case, there's always the peace of the grave.
Beat that for so-called CP attitude.  :)
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: TV - flawed message and/or medium?
Date:  5 Sep 92 13:07:31 GMT

From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
>
>However, the bandwidth of information which even a b/w television can
>convey per second is phenomenally greater then a book.  In a way, radio
>is like television in its time-dependence, but it too can come in an
>archived format allowing for user-defined information retrieval.  In the
>cost/info. ratio anaylis it is readily verified that any price associated
>with a stagnant medium, such as ink on paper, is greater then the price
>of dynamic mediums, radio and tv, and therefore not as accessible to the
>masses.  Then again, with the rate at which tech appears to exponentially
>grow, one could hope that more then just the privileged will be able to
>connect to the net, its endless data banks containing everything from
>online text, musical compositions, still pictures, and aninmations.
>Books, radio and tv are read-only and therefore lack in interaction which
>is directly associated with educational growth.  Even if your not looking
>for an education, its faster to look up the on-line news then wait for it
>to come up on those non-iteractive mediums.
>
>KeNT@virginia.edu

One thing that you're overlooking is that the information flow in book reading
is in a client-server relationship.  With a good writer, and a willing reader,
the information transfered is decompressed into a virtual reality inside the
reader's head.

Whereas television is a straight download to dumb terminals.
From: sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott T. Lillis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: How many would *REALY* like to live in WG universe ?
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:55:10 GMT
	<1992Sep11.130004.6498@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>    In a WG universe life is cheap and people are tools to be discarded.
>Criminals are heros and decent person villians. A WG universe has great
>tech, but lousy society.
	I agree with this but there is more to than that.  I think William
Gibson is describing a society that our own society would(or will !!) be
like with that sort of technology.  Our society would be as bad, if not
worse, give cybernetics, nanotechnology, and AI's.  Face it, American
politics, culture, and economy is a dog eat dog kind environment.  So if
you give the people more power(tech) then they'll just do more damage. 
We've been accellerating towards that throughout time and
WWII(Hiroshima) is just a conformation of that.  It's only gonna get
worse.


Scott Lillis
sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: bladernnr directr cut
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:57:02 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 09-04-92 TOM MADDOX wrote:

TM|This same director's cut will apparently be shown at the Grand
TM|Lake Theater in Oakland, California, beginning September 11,
TM|1992.

During the same week, the director's cut of _Blade Runner_ is
also going to be shown at the Boston Film Festival.




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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mjb@netcom.com (Martin Brown)
Subject: Blade Runner director's cut (info source)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:29:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

The cover story of this Sunday's Los Angeles Times Magazine is about how
Blade Runner and the now showing director's cut came into being.  Interesting
reading.

I saw the director's cut today, and except for the lack of narration, the
addition of the unicorn sequence, and the slightly different ending the
differences with the commercial release don't leap out (at least for me).

What does make an impression, is how much smoother the director's cut is.
It just works better.

-- 

                                   - mjb -

                                mjb@netcom.com

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: gjones@cs1.uct.ac.za (GK JONES)
Subject: Re : alt.cp FAQ [Part I]
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:52:33 GMT

Does anyone have part 1 of this FAQ?
I received the second part, but the first part seems to be missing. If you 
have it please e-mail to me.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: Origin of ICE
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:04:48 GMT

I was just wondering something about ICE the other day.  Gibson mentions
in _Neuromancer_ that ICE was created by Tom Maddox.  Anyone know in which
of his stories it was introduced?
 
And, while I'm on the subject of written works, has anyone on the net 
compiled a canonical cyberpunk story & novel list?
 
 
                                   Ken
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Net Broadcast of Gibson STory????
From: cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie)
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:47:16 -0500
Organization: The CyberSwamp

	Someone mentioned there would be a net broadcast of the Gibson
story-on-a-disk (The subtitle is like "Book of the Dead"). What ever became of
it?
	Thanks in Advance.
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CBARILLEAUX@MIAVX1.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU         as Cyberpreppie


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 20:32:01 GMT

In article <rcsjp.715933129@godzilla>, rcsjp@cgl.rmit.oz.au (Jason Pouflis) writes:
|> I assume this is the fabled "director's cut" 
|> which is in elvis private collection, and travels with him everywhere.
|> 
|> I keep hearing rumours about it,
|> that someone somewhere has seen it,
|> but personally I think its fiction/vaporware/etc.


It is not vapourware ! Bladerunner has been recut by the director,
Ridley Scott, the way he originally wanted the film to be released.
The original film didn't do well in test screenings so a new ending
was shot, Harrison Ford's voiceover was added etc.. 

The director's cut open's all across North America on Sept. 11 - check
your local listings for details ! I saw Rutger Hauer on the tonight show
last week and Joanna Cassidy last night on the Tonight show. Both
were plugging BR and had clips. Rutger's clip did seem to have scenes
and dialogue that was not in any release currently available.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Oerting)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:21:24 GMT

In article <rcsjp.715933129@godzilla> rcsjp@cgl.rmit.oz.au (Jason Pouflis) writes:
>I assume this is the fabled "director's cut" 
>which is in elvis private collection, and travels with him everywhere.
>
>I keep hearing rumours about it,
>that someone somewhere has seen it,
>but personally I think its fiction/vaporware/etc.

Well to follow up on this thread... I have been told it will premier in Seattle
on friday (11th?). So, in under a week I should be able to verify the existence
of the beast. 

Someone earlier mentioned that the Neptune in the U.Dist would have flyers but
I have gone by a couple times since then and haven't found a thing... A guy at
the Guild told me he thought it was at the Egyptian? Can someone with the
elusive flyer verify that for me (email would be fine).
From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: 21st Century Soldier
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:25:42 GMT
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sdr57@cas.org () says:
>Generating an electromagnetic pulse can be done without a nuclear device.
>It requires lots of power and an interesting array of wires. There is an
>EMP setup big enough to put whole airplanes into at Kirtland Air Force
>Base in New Mexico (it was, and presumably still is, used to evaluate
>the vulnerability of aircraft electronics to emp - military electronics
>are designed to survive with the possibility of exposure to EMP in mind).
>It is big - not portable - and the aircraft has to be inside. Its use
>did not disrupt electronics in Albuquerque, which is adjacent to the
>site. In short, if you want to generate an EMP under battlefield conditions,
>you will need a nuclear device

	To be honest, I don't think anyone *would* have noticed in
	Albuquerque had said EMP setup disrupted anything.
	Also, 'adjacent' in this case means that the EMP setup (if I'm	
	thinking of the right bit of junk out there) is probably about
	two miles (at least) from anything where someone might notice 
	a disruption in electronics that they wouldn't know how to explain. 

Kitten
-- 
//If I make it through today, I'll know tomorrow not to put my feelings out on
display. I'll put the cobwebs back in place.....
//I know it's hard to keep an open heart, when even friends seem out to harm
you....
From: fmoody@sal-sun95.usc.edu (Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: 21st Century Soldier
Date: 14 Sep 1992 18:28:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun95.usc.edu
Keywords: EMP, hardening, nukes



	EMP hardening is comparative but it is much more cost efficient to harden
equipment than to make a stronger EMP.  

	About soldiers becoming dependent on hi-tech goodies, I doubt that very
much.  You still have basic and learn to hand-to-hand fight.  They just add a
couple of unimportant things like how to communicate to artillery to pound this
idiot who is trying to rush your position with a troop of seasoned warriors or
how to take out that big hunk of steel with a BIG gun.  


fmoody
 

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From: ce930@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Busko Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: REQUEST:Looking for CP in DC
Date: 6 Sep 1992 18:00:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce930@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Busko Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I live in the Washington DC area, and I am looking for others who
are into the "Cyberpunk" movement like myself.  I just would like
to have conversation on a local level, if you play the RPG game
that's cool too.  Females encouraged to respond.  It's hard to
find people who don't give you a funny look when you tell them
about CP or that your into that movement.  Anyone else have same
problems?  I'm sure you have.  Let me hear from you. - Steve
-- 
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