From: stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Banjica the death camp   Was:Re: Flames
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:16:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug20.121635.14942
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug20.145626.21570@src.umd.edu> josip@src.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>
>Also, circumstantial evidence: her "Serbian-Jewish Friendship Society"
>is a propaganda organization formed in response to the Croatian situation,
>it has precious little to do with Serbsian-Jewish friendship.  Her primary 
>function is to advance Milosevic's propaganda about "fascist Croats".

Would you mind elaborating this?  Is Simon Wiesenthal also the 
Serbian propagandist?   Am I not telling the truth, or is Mrs. Mandic 
not telling the truth, while I am just naive?  I am waiting to
see your documents.  Would you like to talk to Mrs. Mandic and 
ask her whether she might be doing this because Croatian nationalists
killed her mother, while president Tudjman was trying to prove that Jews 
were killing each other, and killing Serbs?

>>>
>>>(1) Regarding prisoners being taken from Banjica to be shot:
>>>YOU SAY:
>>>>In Jajinci.  Again.  And in your last posting you claimed that 20-30.000
>>>>people were killed in Banjica.  So check your math.
>>>             ^^^^^^
>>>INCORRECT. Here is what I said:
>>>
>>>"Banjica", Historical Archives of Belgrade, Belgrade, 1967.
>>>
>>>This book clearly shows that (1) Germans were not working alone, (2) that
>>>Banjica was primarily staffed by Serbs, (3) that the concentration camp was
>>>funded by Belgrade municipal budget, (4) that the camp chief was Svetozar
>>>Vujkovic, a Serb.  Banjica camp processed over 23,000 people many of whom
>>>were Jews and children.  Many people were shot not by Germans but by
>>>Serbian guards.  The prisoner lists were kept in Serbian, in cyrillic script.
>>
>>
>>So what is the meaning of " processed?" 
>>Euphemism of killing ? 
>
>"Processed" is what happened to concentration camp prisoners.  Some were
>then (indeed) killed, others were sent elsewhere to be killed, some
>may have even survived the ordeal.  A camp which processed over 23,000
>people is a fairly large camp.
>
In another article you claim: 

In article <1992Aug19.214145.7420@src.umd.edu> Josip Loncaric writes:
>
>>        -Banjica - not a death camp, but concentration camp.  Hostages
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Incorrect.  It WAS a death camp, people held there were taken out to be shot 
>in groups ranging from 100 to 300, day by day.
>
>>were kept there, under the request from Germans.  Special police had
>>secondary authority there, and kept resistance fighters.
>>Some people resisting, were really killed there by Serbian police.
>
>Including at least 128 children shot by Serbian guards, according to the 
>reference I've quoted.  Do you really believe that only "some people 
>resisting" were killed by Serbian police?


Banjica operated for 3 years.  Would you mind providing us with some 
date, how many people were actually killed in Banjica?  Something is 
fishy with you numbers and claims.  And you seem to be backing away from 
128 children.  What is the age of those children?  25?