HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:51:03 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <ddebry.716496614@itchy> David DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> writes:
>In <1992Sep14.005804.27267@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu) writes:
>>_BR_ is full of these little errors.  When Pris settles in front of the
>>Bradbury building to wait for J. F., look at the movie theater marquee
>>across the street.  It changes when J. F. shows up.
>
>	I don't think this was a flaw, as much as an indication of
>time passing.  It looks to me like Pris waited more than just a few
>seconds for JF to show up.
>

One can open up a whole can of worms by saying, "Pris then would probably
have had to stay their for several days before the marquee changed," which
would then elicit postings about whether she could, whether J. F. comes
home regularly or not, etc., etc.

Just from what I've heard about the production, it seems that the scene
was filmed on different days, and when they came back to shoot it again,
the marquee had changed and they couldn't do anything about it.

>--
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>David DeBry \ Email any address. \ Finger ddebry@cc.utah.edu for details.


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*Ka Chun Yu                 * "Deputy dog dog a ding dang depa depa deputy     *
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.martial-arts
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
Keywords: What another one?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.215045.5750@wam.umd.edu> shan@wam.umd.edu (Jake) writes:
>I hope this one is better than the last two.  The last two were okay but they
>should have in my opinion made it more violent like the comic books (and I
>mean the ones with the original author(s) who made them violent in the first
>place).  Any opinions is appreciated.  shan@rac1.wam.umd.edu

The first two films made a lot of money by appealing to little boys.
The producers of the third film would have to be nearly insane to
jeopardize making a lot of money on the third film by changing the
formula significantly.  (The recent experience of "Batman Returns",
which pissed off a lot of parents who felt it was sold to children,
yet was far too violent and scary for them.)  If anything, the
third Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles film will be less violent, I
suspect.  It's far too late in the game for anyone involved to care
much about artistic integrity or the intentions of the original
authors.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Subject: HUSBANDS AND WIVES
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:41:28 GMT

	When Harry met Sally it's not, though it has the documentary style,
and a character named Sally.  Tribute? Reference? Rollins/Joffe?
Tres Po-mo!!!
	Husbands and Wives had all the things
we had come to expect from a Woody Allen movie, but had recently 
found lacking:  it's thoughtful, insightful, entertaining, well-acted,
and looks good (although the initial scene which establishes the docu-
mentary style got me rather seasick -- not unappropriate, given the
turbulant content of the scene).  Much of the baggage which accompanies
the Allen oevre was less apparant -- this was heavy issues, with angst
light, a bit of perspective, and a sigh.  It might have been called
"Fifty-something".

The issues which have been plastering Woody Allen's name across the 
public consciousness are certainly raised here, although the resolution
seems rather different in the cinema.  

Two thumbs up for this pic, and an extra finger for his personal life.

Oh Mia, oh my!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella)
Subject: Blade Runner: What's the significance of Unicorns?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
X-Lunar-Date: 5 days, 2 hrs, 30 mins until the last quarter of the moon (U.T.)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:24:00 GMT

I haven't read the book, so I have no idea what the Unicorns mean.  Could
someone who knows PLEASE explain their significance in BR?  It's driving me
CRAZY! :-)

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, rao%moose@umnacvx.bitnet>
From: phd85@keele (D.H. Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:04:56 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

Hi,
     does anybody know when the release date for this
     movie is.
	     Dave.

--
Dave.
phd85@uk.ac.keele.seq1
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From: nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols)
Subject: Prospero's Books (was Re: Most <pejorative adjective> Movie)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:51:01 GMT

Since so many different and strongly worded opinions about this film have been  
posted recently, I thought I would see if anyone can address my personal  
reaction.

I enjoyed the film a lot, at least as a challenging bundle of visual stimulus,  
but I was unable to decide between two possible conlcusions:

	1. The film was sumptuously beautiful, but empty.  Greenaway has
	an elaborately developed visual esthetic which he knows how to
	put on film, but he has nothing to add thematically to Shakespeare's
	original treatment of the story.  Indeed, Greenaway's
	technological overprocessing obscures much of the depth of the
	play, and gives us nothing but (admittedly masterful) flash and
	spectacle in compensation.

	2.  The multilayered sounds and images convey an original and
	substantive new interpretation of The Tempest, one which is
	perhaps expressible only in the medium of film.

My problem is that I suspect that 2. is correct (because of my opinion of other  
Greenaway films I have seen), but if so, I couldn't decipher even fragment of  
what he's up to.

If you agree with 1, or if your opinion of Prospero's Books is entirely  
negative, please restrain yourself: you have nothing to teach me unless you can  
convince me that we're not just both missing something.

If you agree with 2, I would be grateful for any exegesis, explanation, or  
evens hints that you can offer.

Another question: Can anyone identify (or discuss!) any art-historical  
influences or references (or jokes) in Prospero's Books or any other Greenaway  
stuff?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: 2fatguys@icpsr.umich.edu (Too FAT Guys)
Subject: REVIEW: SNEAKERS
Summary: can government bashing ever be bad?
Originator: roger@tdis.icpsr.umich.edu
Keywords: Roger, Fat, Sneakers, Review
Organization: 40 Piece Bucket and a Milkshake Publishing
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:26:51 GMT

		      
			     SNEAKERS
		    A film review by Too FAT Guys
		    Copyright 1992  by Roger & Me

Roger:  I love movies made by liberals!

Roger:	Of course, this means round two of Dan vs. Hollywood. I'll be
	watching C-SPAN for his review.

Roger:  SNEAKERS, a techno-thriller, engages in some of the least subtle
	government bashing in recent memory.  Martin Bishop (Robert
	Redford) runs a computer security company with "Mother" (Dan
	Aykroyd), "Whistler" (David Strathairn), Crease (Sidney Poitier),
	and Carl (River Phoenix).  They are hired by NSA agents to steal a
	black box.  After retrieving the device, they soon discover what
	it is: the ultimate code breaker.

Roger:	And this is really the only portion of the movie whose technical
	accuracy can be questioned. Using the black box, they break into
	several services, such as the "National Power Grid".  Aside from
	the improbability of such a service existing, the NPG seems to
	trust encryption enough to do away with authentication.

Roger:  There were also several other technical inaccuracies, but I was
	willing to excuse them.  Accuracy is an admirable goal, but it
	doesn't always make great cinema.  At least they bothered to hire
	a technical advisor.

Roger:	The director and co-writter, Phil Alden Robinson, is also a
	techno-phile. As a matter of fact, he could well be reading this,
	since he's a CompuServe subscriber (hi Phil).  Perhaps his
	computer savvy explains the film's view of our information-based
	world order.

Roger:  Information plays so great a role, that the villain seems almost
	incidental.  The real target of abuse is the government.
	Certainly, the film seems to be saying that the government is the
	greatest abuser of information.  And who could fault anyone for
	criticizing the government?

Roger:	Not I.  I always enjoy a few rounds of government bashing.  In
	fact, I enjoyed most of the film.  It was suspenseful and
	well-paced.  The plot was well thought out, believable, and held
	together well.  I give this film a thumbs up.

Roger:  With little exception, the acting was fine.  With a cast this
	size, there's not much room for character depth.  However, it's
	hard to miss with this many Academy nominated actors.  I give this
	film a thumbs up as well.

Roger:	So, that's two thumbs up for SNEAKERS.  That's all for now -- the
	tty is closed.
-- 
For the latest review by the Too FAT Guys, finger roger@icpsr.umich.edu.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut Question -- Possible Spoiler
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.222203.15954@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

> The Unicorn scene, which is included in this cut, is a dream sequence
> Dekard has when he's at the piano.  The unicorn is connected to the
> origami unicorn that Gaff leaves at his door at the end of the film.
> It is supposed to indicate that the dream Dekard has is actually an
> implant.  Dekard is then a replicant (this arguably clinching proof;
> there are other textual clues, such as the glowing eyes; the profusion
> of photographs he has, just like Leon; Rachel asking him if _he's_
> taken the V-K test, etc.)

I hadn't bought the Deckard-as-a-replicant theory before, but after seeing
this cut I'm more persuadable.  Another clue is that Deckard was able to
reel off all of Rachel's childhood memories.  This could be because he's
human and was briefed about the memories replicants are given, or it could
be because his memories came from the same tape.

On the other hand, he doesn't seem to have the same strength or pain
tolerance as the known replicants.  
  
------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa  
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:50:35 GMT

In <1992Aug24.151144.24430@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:

>I don't know anything about "The Unknown Soldier", but I've seen 
>"Talvisota".  It's an excellent film.

Is it available on any video format?

thanks, 
-- 
gary cooper (not the dead one)

                             Luddites Unite! 
From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:06:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Hitchcock cameos in Rebecca and Suspicion?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (I'm not really a doctor...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: letterboxed VHS movies?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:28:39 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

> In article <Btyqxp.F4n@well.sf.ca.us>, rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
> writes:
> |>
> |>What movies are letterboxed on VHS? The only one I've seen around
> |>is Manhattan.
> |>-- 
> |>Robert Chao
> |>Oakland, California

  I remember when I rented "Inner Space" a few years ago, it was in letterboxed 
form, and before the movie was a note saying not to adjust tracking, "The black
bars across the top and bottom of the screen are there on purpose..."

-Bart
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: great voices
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Aug28.143946.15003@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>
	<BtqIw4.3ss@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Sep4.151026.16334@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:16:42

  Great voices--Clarence Nash!
--
!
!	Jyrki Wahlstedt
!		Jyrki.Wahlstedt@hut.fi
!
!  Our life is no dream, but it should and will perhaps become one.
!
From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What are those Negroes doing with guns?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:02:52 GMT
Organization: In Effect Enterprises

In article <1992Sep11.175441.29885@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

> No, discussions are not always base on unwarranted assumptions.  If you've
> been that deprived of logical debate, then enjoy.

Enough.  Enough. Enough.
I'm right, you're wrong; that is that.  [ ] Followups to email.
                                         ^
                                         This space reserved for smiley.  NOT.

Kevvy Kev
"Socrates' philosophies were fatal"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: "Steambath" Anyone??
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:18:47 GMT

In article <1824200001@trsvax> pauls@trsvax.tandy.com writes:
>
>If anybody out there has the movie "steambath" with Bill Bixby or knows if
>it is out on rental PLEASE let me know! Thanks!

_Steambath_ was a televised play presented on PBS.  Since it featured Valerie
Perrine taking a shower on stage, it was often scheduled during pledge week.
(Actually it's quite a good play.)  The last time I saw it was before I owned
a VCR, though.  I have no information about its availability; sorry.

-- Herb Huston
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Howard's End
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:05:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Sep9.92046.16582@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>Toby Koosman writes:

>>Anyway, that was the fun of the plot wasn't it, trying to figure
>>out how much of Meg's charm and good humor was genuine, and how much was
>>manipulation.

>I think "manipulation" is much too severe a word for the survival skills
>that these women displayed. And even if it were "manipulation" why
>wouldn't "charm and good humor" be genuine as well. Charm isn't fakeable
>and being happy is it's own accomplishment.

What Jeff said, and I'd add:

Margaret's remark about Mr. W finding her a house can't be taken in any
but a light-hearted joshing way, like all her remarks about being
houseless.  She certainly doesn't marry Henry for his money -- the
Schlegel sisters are at least as well off in their own right (they live
very well without having to lift a finger).  The lease on their present
house is expiring, but their worry is *finding* a new house they like,
not *affording* it.

But I do agree with the general point that much of the fascination of
Howards End (book and movie) is that the characters are not flat or
predictable, and sometimes they behave in surprising (yet in retrospect
consistent) ways.

Wonderful movie.  Gotta see it again now that I've read the book (which
is quite faithfully adapted, within the limits of time).

Jon Alan Conrad
From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:33:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Movies/Actors/Actresses lists ftp site?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
>   Are these files available at an ftp site somewhere?
>I would like to find them for a project I'm working on.

The lists and the movie database scripts are available via anonymous
ftp from boulder.colorado.edu [I/P addr: 128.138.240.1] in the directory
pub/tv+movies/lists.

Col
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: "Reservoir Dogs" review. (DO NOT) See this film!
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:27:54 GMT

Maybe we could hear a little more about the movie? Why was it made, what  
is it about, where is it being shown, does all the violence and general  
nastiness relate to any point the filmmaker is making? In other words, a  
more concise review would be appreciated...

AK

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:01:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.185510.26219@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Pina) writes:
>From: alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Pina)
>Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
>Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:55:10 GMT

>Chariots of Fire
Not seen.
>Driving Miss Daisy (tried to watch it 3 times.  fell dead asleep w/in 20mins)
Yup, Extremely boring.
>Batman
H E Y, I thought that was cool!
>Naked Lunch (i think you have to be stoned to get it)
Good idea, I'll try that sometime.
>People Under the Stairs (burn in HELLLL!)
No, BUUUURRNN IN HEEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!! 
No, really, I haven't seen it.
>Evil Dead (too outdated)
Hey, true cult-movies *don't* get outdated.
>Frankie & Johnny
>Sleepwalkers
No, that's cool.
>Pet Sematary (really, anything driven by a King tale)
What's your thing against King?
>Family Plot (disappointing, cutesy Hitchcock)
Wouldn't know.
>Tales from Grimly Hall 
Never even heard of it.
>Angel Heart (come on....Louis Cipher?)
Who is this guy anyway...I mean, everybody likes angel heart!
>that kinda new one w/blonde and michael douglas - i forget the name.
>touted as erotic.  
I agree, I too was going to post on that one, but we seem to have the same 
problem, you and I. BTW that blonde one's called Sharon Stone.


>Too many more to list.  Must get back to work!
WORK? Who is this guy?

----G
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: cp78067@csie.nctu.edu.tw (82/6/31)
Subject: I Need a Cinema Database
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:02:13 GMT

Hi, 
     I don't know whether it is proper or not to post here. So, if I post the 
wrong place, correct me.
     I am a movies fan and new to News. I think there must be a complete 
database recording most movie's data, like the director, actor, actress, etc.
     If any one knows that, please drop me a message.
 
     Thanx in advance.

     Jason
From: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Least women in movie!
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk (Nitesh Patel)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


How about Colditz?

I think many WW2 films are womenless.
(or as we now get Waynes World babeless!).

Nitesh
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.martial-arts
From: shan@wam.umd.edu (Jake)
Subject: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
Keywords: What another one?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:50:45 GMT

I hope this one is better than the last two.  The last two were okay but they
should have in my opinion made it more violent like the comic books (and I
mean the ones with the original author(s) who made them violent in the first
place).  Any opinions is appreciated.  shan@rac1.wam.umd.edu
                       
 
                                                                                           
                                                             J

                                                                

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From: jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy Matthew Toeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: A movie version of Les Mis???
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:48:31 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It is said to be being released in 1993. I have heard that Colm Wilkinson
and Rebecca Caine will be in it, but that is a rumor.


---

Jeremy Toeman
412-268-4199     (anytime)



                 " Scobell --  We're not 'Schlag!! "

















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From: mdelaney@informix.com (Unix Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (possible *spoilers*?)
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:51:59 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In <GHOST.92Sep6180952@netcom.Netcom.COM> ghost@netcom.Netcom.COM (Jay Adelson) writes:

>The Blade Runner Director's Cut will be showing in the San Francisco 
>bay area, I believe in Berkeley, on Friday, September 11th.

It will be playing in Palo Alto (at the PA Square... I think).  I'm not sure
if that means that it will NOT be shown in Berkeley (how exclusive is an
exclusive engagement).

BTW, since the movie is being re-released, has anybody heard if Vangelis will
be releasing a REAL soundtrack?  From the preview I have seen, the same music
was being played; they didn't play anything new (but then again, they didn't
show any new footage either).

						- Mark
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (minor spoilers)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:06:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <1992Sep2.065249.4832@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:
>>
>>What is the symbolism of the White Horse that Mrs. Palmer sees in her visions?
>
> The only other time we see Sarah seeing the white horse was when Maddy
> was killed and Leland gave her the same type of drink (milk..warm milk?). If
> you noticed, it left a residue in the glass.. Leland drugged Sarah so she
> wouldn't know that he left the house (to kill Laura). He drugged Sarah in
> the series so she wouldn't know he killed Maddy. The White Horse represents
> the drug that he gave her I guess (a vision because of the drug).

I don't know where the expression "Death rides a white horse" comes from but it'something that I've heard for many years.  "Death comes on a white horse"????
maybe????  Is it from Revelations?  

It would be an extreme stretch to suggest that the white horse has to do with
the white liquid in Sarah's glass.

I may be totally wrong but I'm a.....................

ferenc
From: seibel@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip A. Seibel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Far and Away Character names
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:28:39 GMT
Organization: UB

Could someone tell me the names of the characters in the Movie: "Far and
Away" ?  Especially Tom Cruise's.

Thanks,

Philip Seibel
seibel@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu