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From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: "Chicane"
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:35:55 GMT

In article <DUKE.92Nov18124318@portal.paperboy.osf.org> duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:
>
>BONG@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
>     And what's really funny is watching the riders who want to impress their
>   friends: come out of the chicane at Sears Point, grab a handfull of
>
>I've just started following Motoracing, so I'm just learning all
>the jargon.  "Chicane" is one of the strangest words I've seen.
>I think it means a series of quick turns (right?), but I can't 
>figure out the origin of the word at all.  Is is Spanish, as it
>appears?
>

Most races have a "mobile chicane", or two :-) .
Regards,
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From: johng@syacus.acus.oz.au (John GriffithsMel)
Subject: Re: TT
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:53:50 GMT


>In an article   Robert H. Yang writes:
>>	- Touring Trials (TT) : I believe these are what the Isle of Man
>>	  roadraces are called.
>>
>>Trials tires, tanks, etc. are for trials bikes, I would guess.  What
>>Trophy Trials are I don't know.

dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:
>TT is TOURIST TROPHY.  It is for road racing.  The IoM TT is held on
>public roads.  The course is 37 miles.  Memorization of all the curves is 
>difficult at best.  The event is timed.  Two riders start every minute.  
>Basically, riding flat-out through the countryside for the fastest time over
>six(?) laps gets you the Tourist Trophy.  So the event is different from 
>"normal" racing in that the first guy over the line probably doesn't win.  
>To quote Yogi Berra, "It ain't over 'til its over."

>If you want to know more, buy or rent the video "V-Four Victory."  It 
>includes a lap of the IoM with a bike-mounted camera.

Nearly right. The Isle of Man  Mountain course is 37 3/4 miles long. The event 
is held over a two week period. The first week is for practise with the first 
race held on Saturday afternoon. There are races on the Monday, Wednesday and 
Friday of the second week. They are for 3-6 laps of the course depending upon
bikes being raced. They also race sidecars. The bikes start in twos with a 10
second gap, bu the sidecars start singley. ( I can't remember the gap).
The bikes races have been 50cc to Superbikes (1100cc plus) I don't know the 
formulas they use now.
When I was a kid on the Island we had the 50, 125, 250, 350 and 500 plus the 
sidecar. The event now has all sorts of new formulas which I can't remember.
Its held the first week in June and used to be considered one of the premier 
races in the World.
Its probably still one of the best free events to see, but I'm biased.

John Griffiths
From: HKORNFELD@BUPULA.BU.EDU (HARDY KORNFELD)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: ? Novella batteries
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:49:48 GMT
Organization: BOSTON UNIVERSITY, Pulmonary Center
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Does anybody out there have any experience with the Novella acid-paste
racing batteries?  According to the distributor I can run a 2.4 lb 
battery in my production FZR400 racer and a 4.86 lb battery in my modified
EX500 (540 or so, with a total loss system).  He claims they are completely
interchangeable with wet cell batteries in terms of shelf life, battery life,
and recharging.  They cost $59 for the small one and $72 for the big one.

If anyone has experience with these, please let me know by email at:
hkornfeld@bupula.bu.edu.  In case this piques your curiosity, the distributor
is Novella, P.O. Box 947, Palatine, IL 60078
From: HKORNFELD@BUPULA.BU.EDU (HARDY KORNFELD)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: RE:what's everybody racing
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:25:38 GMT
Organization: BOSTON UNIVERSITY, Pulmonary Center
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I will be racing as an expert (up from Junior !) in the northeast AMA/CCS.

My modified EX500 (Spike) will be back with the following set up:
 GSXR rotor and Nissin caliper (old)
 Progressive springs (old)
 Fox shock (old, but rebuilt)
 3 mm overbore (old)
 Kehin carbs (new !)
 More porting for the carbs (new!)
 Megacycle cams (new!, a special grind as the one in the catalog was
                too much and I don't want to beat the valve train up)
 Megacycle valve springs and titanium retainers
 Plus I will run a total loss system retaining the starting motor (for now)
      but with over a pound of metal milled off the alternator.

I will also be running my production FZR400 with a new Fox shock.

Hardy Kornfeld AMA/CCS #348, DoD #713
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: RD Springs
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:33:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <75963@hydra.gatech.EDU> ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU (Ray Hixon) writes:
>Fair warning about RD springs!  The two sets that I used
>in the Somewhat Deadly 540 Ascot were the _worst_ springs
>I've ever used. 

 I've heard this from other reputable engine builders.  Megacycle supposedly
has a stake in the company that makes RD springs, which explains their
recommendations.

 I had a set I got with a pair of Megacycle cams from a friend of mine.
While pushing the retainer out, I snapped two of the springs with my bare
hands.  Not exactly confidence inspiring.  BTW, the reason I got the 
cams was the previous motor was destroyed by a dropped valve .. from a broken
spring.  I'm using stock springs now.

>Since I switched to the Secret Valve Springs in the 
>Killer 591 Ascot (actually, only Joe Hutcheson, my motor
>builder, knows what they're really from), I've been able
>to rev (repeatably) to 10,500 rpm (don't even ask what the
>piston speed is -- most people are moving out of my draft
>when they hear it) with no valve spring problems, with
>the 144-21 cam (no cam/rocker train differences).

  Ray!  How could someone get ahold of Joe?  I friend of mine is running an
SRX-6 with RD springs and is scared to death of them breaking.
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From: rblander@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Robyn Landers)
Subject: Re: Canadian F1 500cc GP in '93?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:21:12 GMT

In article <1egrloINN853@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>Shannonville would be long enough, but has no spectator facilities.
>
>Bummer.... a GP in my home town, and I went and moved :-(

	And since you moved Shannonville has been upgraded a bunch.
There used to be just that one rickety wooden grandstand,
but now they've built more and there's a nice "office complex"
underneath it, where Michel Mercier's FAST racing school and so on
are located.  There was money spent on fixing up the track itself
as well, I believe.   But then again, I haven't been to the races
there for a few years now, so I'm going by memory of what I've
read in Cycle Canada and seen on the races on TSN or CTV Wide World
of Sports.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: TT
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.134824.23582@anl433.uucp>, Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea) writes:
|> John GriffithsMel (johng@syacus.acus.oz.au) wrote:
|> : 
|> : Nearly right. The Isle of Man  Mountain course is 37 3/4 miles long. The event 
|> : is held over a two week period. 
|> :
|> : [stuff]
|> :
|> : The bikes races have been 50cc to Superbikes (1100cc plus) I don't know the 
|> : formulas they use now.
|> 
|> The big 1100's (GSXR) got too fast for the course (ie. big PS, poor handling)

  Ow !! Ouch !!! That hurts...  Big, yes.  PS ??? NOT !!!  Nothin' takes a
licking and keeps on ticking like a GSXR :->

  Poor Handling ???  Compared to a 750 maybe...  Have you ever ridden a
FZR-1000 or ZX-11 on the track ??

  too fast...well YEAH !!!!

|> that in recent years the big machines have been 750's (RC30, OW01, ZXR etc.).
|> 

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|                          #75 - Team Banana Racing 			     |
|				SUZ GSXR-1186	(PS but FAST!!!!)	     |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:27:23 -0500 
From: Matthew Mark Mueller <mm7k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: '89 GSXR-1100 for sale
	<BONG-161192130422@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu>

Greetings:

I am selling my 1989 Suzuki GSX-R 1100 
It is black and silver
It has a Vance and Hines pro-supersport exhaust and ignition advancer
Approximately 6000 miles
Two new Bridgestone Battlax tires
Great shape, never raced.

Asking $4500/best
Matt Mueller (412) 682-2436
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Canadian F1 500cc GP in '93?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:08:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) says:

>According to the latest City Bike, there will be a Canadian round
>of the FIM 500cc roadracing championship, in Montreal, in 1993. 
>

	Cycle Spew has the same rumor. It's supposedly one of the confirmed
dates with Laguna Seca a maybe. Montreal is only 4 hours at warp factor 4
from me - ohhhh baby.

>Now, Montreal has no bike racing track. Are they going to have it
>on the armco-lined, bumpy, Ile Notre-Dame course (where they have the
>automobile F1 race)? They had one bike race there many years ago, but
>they never had another because of safety reasons.
>
	The island course is probably able to be brought to GP standards
fairly easily. Never ridden there though - any Montreal folks out there?
I can't believe they'd be talking about Mosport as I don't think there's 
a way to make the downhill corner safe. Sanair? It doesn't have the facilities
that Bernie Ecclefarthead would require.


>(p.s. the article mentioned that it would be easier starting next year
>to hold a GP outside of Europe, since they've changed the cost structure.
>Hopefully that means a USA round, too).
>
	The FIM congress was held here in Ohio a couple weeks ago. One of the
main topics was the lack of world audience to a "world" championship since
there aren't any races except in Yurp. The cost differential is supposed to
gradually disappear over the next four years by making the Yurpeans pay 
more and the others therefore pay less. Europe will end up sorta subsidizing
the travel costs of the GP circus to America, Africa,and Australia (maybe
others).


-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Canadian F1 500cc GP in '93?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:50:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
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Summary: where?

According to the latest City Bike, there will be a Canadian round
of the FIM 500cc roadracing championship, in Montreal, in 1993. 

Now, Montreal has no bike racing track. Are they going to have it
on the armco-lined, bumpy, Ile Notre-Dame course (where they have the
automobile F1 race)? They had one bike race there many years ago, but
they never had another because of safety reasons.

Anybody know anything more?

....paul

(p.s. the article mentioned that it would be easier starting next year
to hold a GP outside of Europe, since they've changed the cost structure.
Hopefully that means a USA round, too).

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: travis@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: What is everyone racing next year?
Date: 24 Nov 92 08:36:45 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Distribution: usa,local
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This summer finds me still trying to sort out the little
niggling faults on my SoS TZR500S Yamaha. 
Once I get the breather hose problem and the AMAL sorted I can
start having fun.
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Canadian F1 500cc GP in '93?
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:57:55 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
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              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.



Motorcycle racers want changes to GP course
(from yesterdays Gazette)

...modifications to Circuit Gilles Villeneuve on Ile Notre Dame.
The circuit, of course, also is the site of the Grand Prix du Canada,
but the motorcyclists want a new course between the current turns three and 
seven for their event
...need to get approval from the city
...contour of the trak changed, it is a major job. These things take time for
approval.
The requested changes would see the bikes go on a long straightaway between 
turns two and eight, staying away from a downhill dip and several turns. The
straightaway would be so long, a chicane would have to be built.
Legault feels confident these obsticals can be hurdled in time for Montreal to
keep the Sept. 19 date which has been reserved on the motorcycle calendar.
Molson Brewery,....expected to be the major sponsor for the motorcycle race in
September.
...
...Ironically, motorsport at the grass-root level faces a bleak future in Canada.
Series sponsors are dropping out and young drivers are faced with crusing 
expenses to compete.
Major sponsors help provide a stage for secondary series by inviting them to
race in preliminaries to major events. But unless there is a turnaround,
those secondary series won't be alive.






--
Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: What inna hell does "trials" really mean?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:54:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) says:

>
>Trials bikes.  Trophy Trials.  Trials t{y,i}res. Trials seats.  Trials
>tanks.
>
>So what does "trials" really mean?  Or is it yet another overloaded
>motorcycling word?
>
	Well, Observed trials means somebody watches and you get penalized
for touching your feet to the ground.  I checked (observed and scored) one
this past weekend as a favor to a friend. I'd run a couple in the trail 
bike class so I knew what was up. 
	Unfortunately it snowed about 10 inches the night before so the 
section I was assigned to was impossible. A section is a bit of terrain 
marked off with banners. There were ten sections last Sunday.
The rider has to negotiate the section without 
touching. Each dab is one point, till he has three. After that they are 
free as long as he doesn't stall, move backwards, or fall (or refuse to 
attempt the section). The course desinger decided that the section I was
on couldn't be riden so he made it easier just before the first riders got
there. I never saw so many cleans (no touches) in my short time watching
trials. It was too easy. 
	I froze my butt off, watched a bunch of amatuers and novices take
dumps (the experts and advanced were cruising). If there is a trials 
organization in your area, it;s a great way to watch - and they bought me 
lunch. 
-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:43:25 -0500 
From: Butch_Anton@transarc.com
Subject: Re: TT
	<1992Nov17.225350.16579@syacus.acus.oz.au>

Current organization has the racers starting singly at 10 second
intervals.  The big superbikes (>750's) have been eliminated.  The
race is way too much fun to watch, and I've only seen the GP in late
August, not the TT in June.  

Also, if you get up early enough, you can get out on the course before
the day's racing.  Admittedly the course isn't closed, you do have a
little traffic to deal with, you have to slow down in towns, and you
have to slow or stop for Parliment Square in Ramsey, but you can still
take advantage of the no speed limits outside of towns.  Way too much
fun, especially on a GSX-R 1100 (Thanks, Roger!).

Butch Anton     | Psycho Racing (Novice Sprints)    | butch@transarc.com
Transarc Corp.  | '87 EX-500 WERA #623 AMA/CCS #811 | DoD #0124   AMA#485814
707 Grant ST    | M&N Racing (WERA Natl. Endurance) | '83 Seca 650 Turbo
Pgh, PA  15219  | '89 CBR-600 WERA #83 Novice       | '89 FZR 600
+1 412 338 4442 | "You have to be crazy to race this piece of shit!"
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Subject: Re: What inna hell does "trials" really mean?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 14:33:37 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:

> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
> 
> 
> >	- Touring Trials (TT) : I believe these are what the Isle of Man
> >	  roadraces are called.
> 
> TT stands for "Tourist Trophy".  Though how hammering flat out
> around a track consisting mostly of brick walls and bumps can be called
> "Touring" is beyond me.
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>      Zebee Johnstone  DoD #605   | You don't own an Italian motorcycle 
>      Adelaide City Council       |  - you merely have the privilege 
>     zebee@itd.adelaide.edu.au    |    of paying its bills.... 


You obviously haven't toured on some of the roads I've toured on....

:-)


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
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Subject: Re: Canadian F1 500cc GP in '93?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 14:40:59 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:

> I can't believe they'd be talking about Mosport as I don't think there's 
> a way to make the downhill corner safe. Sanair? It doesn't have the facilitie
> that Bernie Ecclefarthead would require.


As the last time I was at Mosport was the '68 or so GP, the year Hailwood 
came with the 250 Honda six), I don't remember what was so dangerous 
about the "downhill" corner. Which corner are you referring to?

Bob. 

Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
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From: loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Subject: Re: Canadian F1 500cc GP in '93?
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:39:36 GMT

In article <1ef0f4INNi22@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>
>In a previous article, spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) says:
>
>>According to the latest City Bike, there will be a Canadian round
>>of the FIM 500cc roadracing championship, in Montreal, in 1993. 
>>
>>Now, Montreal has no bike racing track. Are they going to have it
>>on the armco-lined, bumpy, Ile Notre-Dame course (where they have the
>>automobile F1 race)? They had one bike race there many years ago, but
>>they never had another because of safety reasons.
>>
>	The island course is probably able to be brought to GP standards
>fairly easily. Never ridden there though - any Montreal folks out there?
>I can't believe they'd be talking about Mosport as I don't think there's 
>a way to make the downhill corner safe. Sanair? It doesn't have the facilities
>that Bernie Ecclefarthead would require.
>
	Montreal is in *really* bad shape economically.  The possibility
that city officials have put up the cash to fix the F1 auto track is
unlikely.  On the other hand, the reason that we are in bad shape is
*because* they've been cock-eyed in their priorities.  Not that I wouldn't
mind seeing the moto race.... but I like eating on a regular basis too.

P.S. If I hear anything, I will post (this was first I heard of this rumour).

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From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: What inna hell does "trials" really mean?
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:34:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
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ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:


>	- Touring Trials (TT) : I believe these are what the Isle of Man
>	  roadraces are called.

TT stands for "Tourist Trophy".  Though how hammering flat out
around a track consisting mostly of brick walls and bumps can be called
"Touring" is beyond me.

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Subject: Re: What is everyone racing next year?
From: jew@venus.sunquest.com (Ward... James Ward)
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:31:26
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems
In-reply-to: ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 19 Nov 92 17:55:30 GMT

I'll be campaigning my Honda NS 50 again.  I may be replacing the
rings and possibly the rims if I feel extravagant (I'm using used
dirt-bike rims, not exactly round).  My rear Michelin slick is worn
out as well.  That's another $100...
--
jew@sunquest.com

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