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I have a Tanaka 550s 5hp outboard.  I am trying to contact the manufacturer
which I thought was located in Spokane, Washington.  If anyone knows how
to contact Tanaka, please let me know.   I can be reached via this notes
topic, email (lovin@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com) or phone at (503) 750-3043.  I have
voice mail on my phone if want to just leave a message.  Any help will be
appreciated.


Thanks,


Rich Lovin

   
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From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding - who is in charge?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:13:24 GMT

My understanding of marine law (very limited) is that the Captain in in charge
of the ship at all times - the pilot is on board as an advisor.  Some of the
news reports claimes the owner said that a pilot was on board and in charge
at the time of the accident?  What is the true scoop?
 
My understanding is that a ship master was required to be aware of her position
at all times - and kept a running log and DR plot of position on frequent
intervals - depending on speed.  I further understood that most commercial
ships have an automated plotting device to meet this requirement.  In this
day of GPS, I had assumed that they know the position within a few feet at
all times - why is there a question about the position?
 
/Stu
From: djw@cci632.cci.com (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:59:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Aug12.162125.12849@phri.nyu.edu> roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
>
>	What does one do with old, outdated, flares?  Is there a safe way
>to dispose of them?
>

Good question! I tried asking the Rochester, NY Coast Guard station commander this 
past spring. I asked him if I could shoot some off the pier under USCG authorization 
(my approach was that I wanted to see _HOW_ they worked if I ever needed to
actually use 'em). I suggested that perhaps they could announce on the VHF (everybody
should be listening to channel 16, right?) that this was just a drill, and not to
get alarmed. The base commander did not want to authorize my using them in that 
manner. His suggestion was to donate them to a Coast Guard Auxiliary for practice,
donate them to a fire or police deptartment for proper disposal, or to keep them
aboard just in case they were needed (ie use 'them then for practice flares to see
what they do). I chose for the last option. I suggested to the base commander that
they should consider setting a day aside in the early spring where pleasure boaters
could have an educational safety equipment day, and shoot off old flares. He seemed
receptive to the idea. Whether anything actually comes of it only, time will tell.

As an aside, I took one of my hand held flares that was ~10 years old, and lit it
in the driveway. It lit on the second scratch of the igniter. So, I guess if they
are kept dry, the shelf life is actually quite a while.

Hope this helps.

-- 
  Dave Wright					djw@cci.com
  Computer Consoles Inc. (CCI)			uunet!uupsi!cci632!djw
  Rochester, NY					rochester!cci632!djw
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From: ericksonl@gtephx.UUCP (Lilia E. Erickson)
Subject: Sailboat 34-36 ft seaworthy for passages
Keywords: Need Info or list
Organization: gte
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:00:01 GMT


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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Frapped again
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:58:13 GMT

The practise of frapping loose hayards to the shrouds was
recently discusses on our newsgroup. I just came across
a related usage in "The Yomah - and After", a novel of
windjammer days by F.C. Hendry, published around 1932
(with the obligatory Introduction by A.J. Villiers).

     ...the boatswain and the men of the port watch
     discovered to their horror that the mousing round
     the cliphooks with which the lee clew-garnet was
     attached to the clew of the [main]sail had been
     chafed through, and that one of the hooks had got
     adrift... The boatswain shook his head. He had 
     never met a problem quite like this before...

     "Send a man down the leach in a bowline from the
     yard-arm"        

     "Right. Up you go."

     The "Down-Easter" climbed up the weather shrouds...
     He slipped the bight of the bowline round his legs..
     and let himself go...When low enough to reach the 
     cliphooks his real struggle commenced; with one hand
     he hooked on the loose hook, but he had to use both
     to fasten the hooks together with a mousing... The 
     veins were standing out on his forehead and great 
     drops of perspiration were dripping from his face,
     but he hung on and finished the job.

     A heaving line had been passed round the rope above
     the bowline, and with it he was frapped into the 
     rigging. He descended to the deck just as eight bells 
     went...
From: crouse@eng.umd.edu (Gil Crouse)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How windy?
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:03:04 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <l94rfrINN5fr@cronkite> billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 20963@das.harvard.edu, bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu (Jeremy Bloxham) writes:
>
>[observing that wind on drizzly day seemed stronger than instruments indicated]
>
>>
>>What else could explain it? Perhaps windspeed instruments under read in
>>heavy drizzle, but I would have thought the effect of the cups
>>impacting water droplets would be negligible. Any ideas?
>>
>Perhaps heavy (wet) wind is more "forceful" than light (dry) wind.
>
>BILL COURINGTON

Aerodynamic forces are proportional to the density of air.  (This is
why planes have trouble taking off at high altitude.)  Thus humid air
(heavier) air is, in fact, more "forceful" than dry air.  I'm not
entirely certain what effect water droplets in the air would have on
the aerodynamic forces but probably this would also result in
increased aero forces.  However, the water on the sails would probably
also decrease the sail's effectiveness somewhat (less smooth
surface?), which would offset this to a certain degree.  Another
consideration is that the rain on your sails will increase your weight
aloft which increases your heeling moment.

I would guess that the psychological effect of the rain is more
significant than its physical effects.  I imagine heavy wind + rain is
more intimidating than heavy wind alone.  This is definitely true of
the temperature and "sunnyness".  20 knots breeze on a 80 degree day
with the sun shining is very different than 20 knots when its 50
degrees out and the sky is black.

Gil Crouse
crouse@eng.umd.edu
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From: ness@tc.fluke.COM (Jerry Ness)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:01:55 GMT

We vacuum pack all our 'signalling' devices with a Foodsaver (r).
Nothing says you can't have outdated flares on board for backup.
The rules only state you have to have 3 (?) flares with current
dates on 'em. We must have a dozen 'backups' neatly sealed in plastic.
The Foodsaver is also a nifty way to store some nice dry clothes on a boat.
A bulky sweater 'packs down to 'bout the size of a thick paperback.
We've been using ours for a lot of years now both boating and hunting.
I even have one antique rifle vacuum packed in my gun safe.

my $.02,
Jerry
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man...)
Subject: Re: Another request for REC.BOATS.HOBIE
Summary:  rec.boats.displacement.fin.masthead.race.s2.9.1?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193840.597@icd.teradyne.com>, burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki) writes...
>I guess I don't understand why people want to keep it in rec.boats. If you are 
>interested in Hobie Cat sailing, just subscribe to rec.boats.hobie also. 

For some reason this reminds me of this guy who said to me, "The best
people of the three different types of music: Johnny Rotten, Eno and Mick
Jagger, they should get together and do an album". 

Lets put it this way: if we have a rec.boats.hobie shouldn't we have a
rec.boats.prindle and a rec.boats.470 and a rec.boats.fd and a
rec.boats.catalina and rec.boats.optimist-kids and rec.boats.qeII and
rec.boats.sails.mylar.shrink.shrink.shrink? I am of the opinion that there are
already too many newsgroups and they are organized poorly. Before you start
making tiny little special interest groups off of very general ones, I
think it should be first split into something more general like
rec.boats.power and rec.boats.sail? When even this split was discussed, most
people here were against it. If you're trying to stimulate discussion then why
not just post more? If you get tired of other threads, kill them. If you don't
want to see ANYTHING else, which to me seems rather closeminded, start a
mailing list. And you can always just try to create the group following the
standard rules (I'll vote against it), or create it in the alt heirarchy.


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Help Ant. cable
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.200223.9821@ee.rochester.edu> paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) writes:
>I need some net help. I am installing a new vhf and new mast mount ant.
>Some have told me to use only RG 8 or RG 8x. Others have said RG58. Install
>guide say to use appropriate cable. 
>

The reason for the confusion is that they are both right.  Depends on the
installation.  If the antenna comes with a length of RG-58 cable,
and it will reach to the radio, use it.  If the antenna cable won't
reach, you will have to extend it one way or another.  Caution:
an improperly installed connector will cause more loss than a long
piece of cable.  A total length of 20-30 feet, the extra loss in
RG-58 will be small.  One good plan if you do need to splice cable
would be to run RG-8 from the radio to the base of the antenna,
and then a removeable connector to join with the antenna.  This way
you can remove the antenna without having to pull the cable out.
Assuming you are using the usual (PL-259) connector (and there are
much better types), tighten it with pliers and tape over it to make
it waterproof.

-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Marine VHF Licensing
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:57:45 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

>Can anyone tell me the address/phone to write/call in the US for a VHF license? 
	Try asking any MARINE RADIO DEALER for an application.  If you 
belong to BOATUS, they will send you an application.

>I am on a local volunteer fire department, and have realized that I can 
>have my portable radio (modified??) to be used on marine frequencies as 
>well as fire frequencies.
	Physically, yes, but perhaps not legally.  It must be "type accepted"
>As I understand it, licenses for marine are for a particular boat 
	MARINE STATION LICENSES, yes
>on a particular person.  
	no, any operator
>I would want to be able to get a license that would allow me to use this 
>radio on whatever boat I am on (as I sail with my brother and father at 
>times), and am wondering if that is possible.
	Sorry, out of luck.

>Also, can someone hail me from shore (like to come pick them up) with a
>portable?  If so, do they have to be licensed?
	They must have a SHORE STATION LICENSE.  Almost impossible to get 
unless you run a marine business
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:01:42 GMT
Organization: Invictus
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <n-7mpf#.greg@netcom.com> greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:

...[thread about firing flares on 4th of July removed]...

>Bad news. And illegal. I believe it's illegal to fire a red flare
>except in case of distress, less than 20-odd miles inland.
> 
>Don't do it again.

I've always wondered what would happen if I actually needed help on the 4th of
July.  I've seen countless idiots shoot flares on the 4th without considering
the fact that flares are usually still burning when they come back down.  I've
seen a boat unfortunate enough to have someone else's flare come down on the
canvas cockpit cover, setting the boat on fire.  This past 4th, someone shot a
flare over the wildlife sanctuary adjacent to the marina in Redwood City which
caused a fire which was still burning the next morning.

Dudley Gaman
Invictus
Pete's Harbor
Redwod City, CA
.
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From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:35:58 GMT
Summary: Olin's recommendations

In article <l8vjb6INN2jr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
>In article <n-7mpf#.greg@netcom.com> greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>
>...[thread about firing flares on 4th of July removed]...
>
>>Bad news. And illegal. I believe it's illegal to fire a red flare
>>except in case of distress, less than 20-odd miles inland.
>> 
>>Don't do it again.
>
>I've always wondered what would happen if I actually needed help on the 4th of
>July.  I've seen countless idiots shoot flares on the 4th without considering
>the fact that flares are usually still burning when they come back down.  I've
>seen a boat unfortunate enough to have someone else's flare come down on the
>canvas cockpit cover, setting the boat on fire.  This past 4th, someone shot a
>flare over the wildlife sanctuary adjacent to the marina in Redwood City which
>caused a fire which was still burning the next morning.

   This thread seems endless. This past 4th, I was in an anchorage with
some drunken idiots firing old meteors. One of them landed on the foredeck
of a downwind boat. Yes, it was still burning but it didn't set the boat
on fire. I'm glad I was upwind of these people.
   For what it's worth, the manual that comes with my Olin flare kit (the
orange cylinder) says to keep your old flares for three years, so you always
have six on the clip. When your "new" flares become your "old" flares, you
should dispose of your old "old" flares. They recommend you do this by firing
them off *horizontally* over open water. That's *open water*, as in water
with no boats, land or people for a good distance.
   This seems like a fairly safe practice that, if done during the day should
attract little attention and get rid of the flares without endangering the
people downwind. Of course, if Dudley's experience (having the gun go off
unexpectedly) is anything but an isolated occurence, firing off a flare 
gun under any circumstances may be hazardous to the operator.
   For what it's worth, Olin recommends disposing of handheld flares more
than three years out of date by lighting them and immediately dropping 
them overboard. I don't remember anything about a pail of water. This may
not do the trick as the powder, I think, will continue to burn underwater
and may eat through a plastic bucket.

Wayne Simpson, still looking for a few good Catalina 27 owners to join
               the National C-27 Association.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Laser info
Organization: Center for Innovative Computer Applications, Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:43:40 GMT


In <1992Aug11.233154.17895@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com (Kevin Krueger) writes:

>I am looking for information about competitive Laser sailing in the Chicago area.

>I suppose the season is over soon, but I'd like to see some races in action
>and talk to some of the sailors.

In Chicago, go down to Belmont Harbor and talk to Jim Elvart.  He runs the
Youth Sailing program fro the Chicago Yacht Club and is usually there
between 8-5 on week days.

There is an electronic mailing list devoted to Lasers that anyone can join
by sending me a mail message.  The address of the list is laser@cica.cica.
indiana.edu

If you really want to get information on competive racing join the North
American Laser Class Association.  The newsletter resembles a small
magazine these days.  Membership is $25 per year and is well worth it.

To join, send your sail number, age, name, and $25 to:

NA ILCA
8466 N. Lockwood Ridge Road
Suite 328
Sarasota, FL
34243
(813) 359-1384

Will
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From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Clipper 23 and Sawyer Sailboats in Canada
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:48:05 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Has anyone heard of a Clipper 23?  Supposedly it is made by someone on the West
coast of the US, although I found an article that said Sawyer Sailboats in
Alberta, Canada made a Clipper 23.  I couldn't get a number from information
for this company, so I suppose they are out of business.

Anyway, I am thinking about buying a Clipper 23; it has a genoa, jib, main, and
spinnekar (sp), a johnson outboard (with remotes), and seems to be in decent
condition.  From what I can tell it doesn't leak from the top, and the gelcoat
is a little dull, but otherwise in good condition.  What I am mainly concerned
about is how this thing will sail.  Will it be fast/medium/a dog, and how does
it do in light wind, etc?  It's a '75 or '76, and has a pop-top.

Any info on this boat would be appreciated (including what a fair price would
be).  Right now I have a Gulf Coast 20, and want something with a larger cabin
(like one that I can at least sit upright in) that will sail well.

Thanks,
Alan Moore
alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
From: paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: net gathering?
Keywords: party, raft, chesapeake
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:53:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Aug12.113702.19256@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>In article <120@cherise.UUCP> bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>:                        ...     It might be interesting and
>:fun if we here in rec.boats that frequent the Chesapeake Bay
>:got together sometime, somewhere on the bay. It's interesting
>:to put a face on someone@a.big.site who you've been seeing
>:articles from over the months. 
>
>Oh, sure---leave all us Northeast and CA sailors out of it :-). 
>
>Seriously, though---this sounds like lots of fun. If there were more of 
>us in the general area of CT, Block I., RI, MA, I'd try to set up a
>rendezvous at Block Island sometime. Actually, if folks are interested,
>why not let me know and maybe we can do something. I'm jfh@cs.brown.edu. 
>
>-John

	YEA, don't forget all of us that are Great Lakers. I'd be glad 
	to try to get start to get something together. Any takers?

	paul
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (There's too much apathy in this world...but who cares?)
Subject: Re: Flares/out of gas (was snow goose)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.143556.5177@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes...
>In article <1992Aug13.200942.1225@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
>>In article <118@cherise.UUCP> bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>>>In article <10AUG199211103878@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Desert Stork: Delivers election in swaddling clothes...) writes:

>I seem to have taken another "nasty pill" with breakfast this morning. Oh,
>well. In a better mood, I could have written this more politely, but the
>content would have been about the same.

Don't worry.. I agree for the most part, and, most importantly, it was funny. 
It's also kind of amusing to keep seeing Desert Stork buried in the >>>>>>>
even after this thread has evolved so far. By the way, I was out on STAT in
middle river last night in the rain (Race Committee, gotta do your duty, and
anyway it's fun sitting at anchor drinking beer and watching a sailboat race).
There was no advisory on the weather channel about an overdue vessel, Snow
Goose or otherwise. Has anyone else heard anything?

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:07:11 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:

>   For what it's worth, the manual that comes with my Olin flare kit (the
			     ^^^^^^
What?  RTFM?  Who ever has done that?

-- Bob

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CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:35:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.23664
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Desert Stork: Delivers election in swaddling clothes...) writes:
>I was sailing from Annapolis to Middle River yesterday, listening
>to the weather channel, and heard a marine advisory that the 44' sailing vessel
>Snow Goose (home port Baltimore) was overdue from Bermuda (one man, two
>women). I was wondering if this is the guy who sometimes posts here, and
>if anyone knows anything about this and knows whether he is ok!
>
     After a week of no response to this post I called the Coast Guard--
Group Baltimore to inquire.  The Commander said that Snow Goose had arrived
home last week and that all was well.  He did not have at his fingertips
the name of the captain or crew.

     He also mentioned that the junk "Woo Wee", also mentioned in this
thread, was still missing.  Two reports of possible sightings must be
discounted as they were from considerable distance, and the vessel has
still not made home port or notified those reporting her missing.

-- Bob

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CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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