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From: dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deirdre byrne)
Subject: Re: Impressions/wrinkles/sailing skill
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:54:38 GMT

>>   Look around those club bars after the race. See any women? Not many,
>> save for the occasional Amazon with bigger biceps and a hairyer back
>> than mine.

I find this very interesting!  In the fleet with which I sail, a Thistle
fleet on the lower Hudson (Tappan Zee), we have about 30%-40% women.
The two best boats in the fleet are captained by a woman about twice my
age (I'm 25, for those of you who wonder), and her grown daughter.  I also crew
on a C&C 30, out of the same club.  Co-captains are the two owners of
the boat, a married couple.  Our 6-person crew has 2-4 women on it, depending
on who shows up.  It's true that the ranking Thistlers are pretty tough,
but they'd hardly qualify as Amazonian in my book.  They have even been
seen wearing pink  :-)

The 2 fleets are so different from each other (Thistles are very light, 17'
LOA centerboarders) that I don't think I could draw any conclusions like
'women are found in small boat racing only'.  I have heard, though
that Thistle racing attracts an unusually high percentage of families,
hence one would expect about 50% women.  The only similarity I can come up
with is that both fleets are centered on the Hudson.  Are we really that
much of an exception?  

In my own family (to draw from a different pool) we are for the most part
keen sailors. I counted 3 generations (grandparents', parents' and mine).
I counted only blood relations, not in-laws.  We have 18 people with whom
I am well-enough acquianted to know if they sail or race.

I counted:                SAILORS          NON-SAILORS 
                          8 women          1 woman
                          9 men
                          --------          ----------
                         17 sailors        1 non-sailor

Out of the 17:           RACERS           NON-RACERS 
                         3 women          5 women
                         6 men            3 men

So the count stacks up favoring men racing, women daysailing/cruising,
but, again, 33% of our racers have been women.  As an aside, I am the
only one currently racing.  (I am female.)

I confess to being curious, though: how do my stats stack up against the
experiences of other rec.boaters in different parts of the world?
Post it here!

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From: Robert.Kitson@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Robert Kitson)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sailboat in a club questi
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 20:43:00 -0800

GM>From: malits@sw.stratus.com (George Malits)
GM>Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
hello

GM>In article <22SEP199209214189@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>,
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blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov
GM>(Matthew W. Blake) writes...
GM>> >1) Is this an _active_ business for tax purposes?  Can I deduct all
loan
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business.
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From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 23:13:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.211851.17066@nas.nasa.gov>, blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake) writes:
|> 
|> I am considering purchase of a Beneteau First 375 with running backstays.
|> Although we will race it occasionally, we will mainly be cruising, weekend
|> sailing in the San Francisco Bay.  I would like opinions/discussions on
|> running backstays (which this boat has).
|> 
|> Specifically, if we are short handed, can we just sail without them?  The
|> boat does have a central adjustable backstay.  
|> 
|> What are the penalties or dangers to the rig of sailing without setting 
|> these running back stays?
|> 
|> I believe if the running backstay is set and we accidently jibe we will
|> probably lose the mast.  Is this true?  
|> 
|> Can the boat be re-rigged without the running stays?  How do other high
|> performance boats get the same stability without the running stays?
|> 
|> How about a discussion on the matter.....
|> 
|> Matt Blake
|> blake@nas.nasa.gov
|> 

Is the First 375 a fractional rig?  If so, the runners are required in order
to get decent tension on the forestay.  Tightening the fixed backstay on a
fractional boat just bends the mast, without adding significant forestay
tension.

A lot of the answer depends on the mast itself.  I currently race on a 
masthead rigged boat with runners, which provide support to keep the
(quite thin) mast in section.  In calm water they can be left off (or
tightened at your leisure), but when it's choppy they must be set up
right away to keep the mast from pumping.  If the mast is more beefy,
runners may be used mostly for sail shape.

Personally, I'm not keen on running backstays for cruising, unless they
are to provide support for the inner forestay on a cutter rig.  I wouldn't
want any rigging on my boat that could cause a mast failure just because
somebody set it up wrong.  For fractional rigged boats, I think runners are
required because you can't get enough forestay tension without them.  I much
prefer the masthead rig.

dK
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From: wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Rowing: Big Blades
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:47:19 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Nov11.153132.10073@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, jeremy@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Jeremy Martin) writes:
> I have yet to try the Dreissigacker Big Blades that were so popular in the
> Olympics. Now my club has some money to spend and if it is true that they give
> you a 3% speed advantage, as claimed by the company, we really ought to think
> about buying some. Are they just a fad or is there a real performance gain?
> I have heard that they can make you go slower into a headwind, because of the
> increased blade area.
> 					
> 					Jeremy           

  Yes, there is a real performance gain. These new blades were first used
here in Ireland by the top crews for our National Championships just 2
weeks after Henly regatta. The winning elite crew said that the `Choppers'
(as they are now known) were worth about 5 seconds for a 5 minute piece. 
  
  I don't think that extra blade area adds a significant amount of air 
resistance. The championships here this summer were rowwed against strong
headwind and in rough water (basically the worst conditions for the 
Choppers), yet the only crew (from UCD) in the Intermediate 8 event to use 
the new blades won by 3 lenghts! They were expected to come in a close 2nd.

  It's lightness of the 'ultra light' oars that make them tricky to handle
against the wind, but this didn't stop UCD (who had been rowing with the 
heavier dreissis up until 2 weeks before the Champs.) from destroying the 
opposition. I believe that the new blades give a definite increase in boat
speed to elite class oarsmen/women ('bout 5 seconds) and an even greater
advantage to intermediates and novices. 

Roberto          
                                        
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Rowing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.183238.22469@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> braun@falcon.ece.cmu.edu (Jennifer Braun) writes:
>
>|> 
>|> Just for grins & giggles, how much does a concept II cost?
>|> 
>|> Thanks, 
>|> Terry
>|> 
>
>last, time i checked (about a year ago), i believe you could get one new for 
>~ $650
>
>sometimes you can get used ones (especially around Indoor Rowing
>Championship sites) for under $500.

I know we picked up two cheap after the CRASH-Bs but noone seem to know
just what we paid. You were supposed to reserve the rowers you wanted
in advance but maybe if you had the bucks available the day of the
contest you could get one too.
From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Ratings, Risk and Responsibility
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:27:21 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.larc.nasa.gov

My apologies to Chris and Rich, guess the reading
problem is coming back :-)
 
Terry Ghee
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: stamer@fang.att.com (Greg Stamer)
Subject: drytops
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:54:05 GMT

I am in the market for a drytop and would appreciate feedback from
anyone who has experience with drytops/drysuits that use neoprene cuffs
to protect the latex gaskets.  Are the neck cuffs really useful or just
for show?  How much extra hassle is it to replace gaskets?  What about
neck comfort and neck mobility? 

As far as brands go I am looking at the Kokatat Whirlpool and Stolquist
Nude-X. The simplicity and price of the Stolquist looks right ($114.00
at NRS) but I wonder about the durability of the "mirolight" fabric.

-Greg                                           \   O
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stamer@fang.att.com  
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: which canoe to buy?
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Distribution: USA 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:52:49 GMT


had a grumman.  then I tried a folbot, and never wanted to get back
in the canoe again. sold the canoe and bought a tupperware folbot 2-seater.
after 6 years in the florida sun, still zero maintenance required. the
tupperware tracks better, is faster, isn't bothered by the wind, and does
better crossing powerboat wakes. i spend most of my kayak time on the
indian river lagoon and banana river lagoon, but also go up into some 
of our fresh water estuaries.  dolphins seem to like tupperware less than
the soft folbot, but much more than the aluminum grumman.  then there's the
time i came around a bend in crane creek and had a 12' gator slide under
me and make a territorial statement.

-- 
Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
Voice: 407 660 7949               ". . . big brown river . . ." Tuli Kupferberg
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: gumby@spock.uucp (Danny Richman)
Subject: Ergometer Training
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:46:03 GMT


     For those of you who would like some helpful hints on egometer training,
I've included some things to keep you busy over the winter.


1. Always erg when you want to.
2. Always erg by starting light and increasin intensity.
3. Always keep a log of results, details, times, intensity, etc.


Workout:

1. Warm-up at 20 strokes per minute for 1000m.

2. Start piece, and GRADUALLY build intensity until entire piece is concluded.
         A common error is to tire out too quickly, and worsen instead of
         improving throughout the piece.  Never row less than 5000m for total
         workout.

3. Cool down immediately after concluding the piece.
         Some people prefer to row very lightly for five minutes.
         Others get up and jog outside for five minutes to get some air.


Personal Erging Tests:

See how long you can row   Watts=2 x Body Weight (women)
                           Watts=2.5 x Body Weight (men)

for 10000, 5000, 2500, 1500, 1000, 500, 250 meters.

....I heard that the World Champian Lightweight Woman (130 lbs.) rowed
2 x Body weight for 2500m for a time of 9 minutes.


Other Workouts:

9 x 60 sec with 30 sec rests
12 x 250m with 2 min rests
6 x 500m with 4 min rests
3 x 1000m with 8 min rests

Always use large gear.

26  strokes per minute---damper open
30+ strokes per minute---damper closed

If you have any other questions, feel free to e-mail me.

......Always remember to have FUN and be PATIENT!!!!!
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From: tmenten@boi.hp.com (Tom Menten)
Subject: Re: river rescur
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:36:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Make sure you're upright and stay that way (obviously you did.)  Only way
I know to do this is tilt the hull down stream/ lean into the obstacle.  It
takes (for me) a lot of concentration to KEEP the hull tilted downstream
while I'm trying to work my way out of a pickle.

Two rocks (tip and tail?) is a problem!  If you can keep most of the water
going under the hull (again by tilting it downstream) you might have a chance
to do something.  Problem is, any maneuvering tends to right the hull, 
whereupon with any amount of current, you're hosed.  To state the obvious,
you don't want to be hosed upside down; any significant amount of current
can trap your boat and keep you in it.

Being a somewhat careless boater, I had reason to practice this maneuver;
once on the Bruneau we saw some (California?) boaters, one of which was
jousting with boulders using his paddle.  I think he eventually broke his
paddle.
From: jeremy@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Jeremy Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Rowing: Concept-II Ergometer
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:42:54 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

The Concept 2 Ergometer is widely used all over the world. It is clearly an
excellent fitness machine. But how closely does it replicate the feel of
rowing. I have found that there are some very good boat movers who are poor on
the Ergo and others for whom the opposite is true. 

To me the gearing feels much too hard compared with rowing. Even on the
lightest possible setting the optimum rating for a 10 minute piece seems to be
about 28. On the hardest gearing I might only row at 20 strokes per minute. If
I were sculling I would go at over 30.

I also find it very difficult to 'spring' the catch. When rowing one needs
to row the first part of the stroke through the air in order to give the blade
some velocity at the catch to avoid backwatering. So the resistance commences a
split second after the initial thrust. On the ergo the resistance is present as
soon as you commence to move backwards. So the cleverness of timing which makes
for a good catch in the boat, leads to an inefficient jerky action on the
machine.

My opinion is that the ergometer is a useful training tool, as long as it is
emphasised that boat-moving is what really counts.  
					
					Jeremy
From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Last of the Mohicans
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:14:03 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.larc.nasa.gov

I may very well be wrong about this, but... 
There are a couple of different kinds of Birch
trees, white and black (I think, I don't have my 
audobon guide handy).  Also white birch has kind of
burgundy limbs, the trunk is white.  What the indians
made there canoes out of I don't know.  I know
I traditionally think of the birch bark canoe
as being white because that is what was told to me
in elementary school.  Course I was also told that
Washington had wooden teeth, the pilgrims landed on
Plymoth Rock, and Nathan Hale said something really
eloquent.

Any real answers to how Native Americans or trappers made there
canoes would be appreciated.
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Reverse Screw Roll?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:02:34 GMT

In article 41710019@hpcvra.cv.hp.com, billf@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Bill Faus) writes:
>I need some help in doing a reverse screw roll and

Do you mean an off-side roll?

And if not then:
What is a *reverse* screw-roll?  And what are the advantages?

--Chris
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Reverse Screw Roll?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:15:02 GMT

scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>billf@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Bill Faus) writes:
>>I need some help in doing a reverse screw roll and
>
>	Are you talking about what William Nealy refers to as a back-roll? 
>	Needed when you get flipped while leaning all the way back on your deck
>	(i.e. back of helmet touching stern of boat) in shallow water. Nealy
>	has a pretty good description of this roll in his book (which I don't
>	have with me at the moment).
>
The one time I flipped in very shallow water (80 cfs), I was leaning
all the back.  My reactions went like:
	- drop paddle
	- put one hand in front of face
	- use other hand to push off bottom and roll up

The wrist on the hand that I put in front of face received a
couple good cuts.

--Chris
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: asweatma@crc.ac.uk (A.K. Sweatman)
Subject: Re: Crew
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:32:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.185929.18647@spock.UUCP>, gumby@spock.uucp (Danny Richman) writes:
> 
> I think that it would be a great idea to start a crew newsgroup.
> I am sure that there are many interested rowers out there who would
> be willing to subscribe.  You never can tell unless you try!!!
> 
> I also have a question.  I was wondering if anyone has recently
> seen any proof from either a recent study, or can tell from a their
> own experience if hatchet blades are actually better than standard
> blades.  I am planning on buying a new pair of sculling oars, and
> cannot decide between the two.  Thanks in advance.
> 
>                                 -Dan
> 


There really doesn't seem much to choose between them.
Hatchet blades are shorter so you only get the same amount of pulling power!
They do seem to be easier to square/feather though.
They're pretty useless for backing down (but then you don't see many backing
down races!)
From: sdh4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT DYLAN HARDING)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Yes, do it, PLEASE!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:52:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



    Maybe I have become spoiled but ever since I started using this posting
    group, it has been devoted almost entirely to canoeing and kayaking.  Now
    I have to look through all this crew stuff to find a blurb about paddling.
    I know the official designation is for boats with paddles, oars, etc. but
    another posting group for crew activities would be welcomed by me.
    Whitewater paddlers are in a different league than flatwater
    paddlers/rowers and a separate group seems appropriate.
-- 





-----------------
Scott Harding
From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Rowing
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:28:52 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.larc.nasa.gov

Just for grins & giggles, how much does a concept II cost?

Thanks, 
Terry
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: kgo@comm.wang.com (Kirk Olsen)
Subject: Re: Reverse Screw Roll?
Organization: Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:54:39 GMT

In <1992Nov6.180234.21331@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster) writes:

>In article 41710019@hpcvra.cv.hp.com, billf@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Bill Faus) writes:
>>I need some help in doing a reverse screw roll and

>And if not then:
>What is a *reverse* screw-roll?  And what are the advantages?

A reverse roll starts with the power blade behind you, with you leaning
back, and you sweep forward and finish up leaning toward the front
deck.  Reverse rolls don't make much sense for whitewater.  But for
sea kayaking there isn't the same danger of smashing your face
or head on a rock so being able to initiate the roll from either a forward
or a back position can save time.


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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Last of the Mohicans
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:40:34 GMT

	Getting back to whitewater:

	Anyone seen this flick yet?

	I was wondering where the drops they hiked next to were, as well as
	the drop they ran in their "old" birch canoes. It looks like some
	of that stuff was pretty runnable (except the older footage of that
	rather *large* waterfall) so I expect it has been by someone.

	Anyone have any ideas where? They filmed the flick in North Carolina,
	but the water coulda been anywhere. One shot with them hiking next to
	water above a drop really showed how fast the water was moving. I mean
	*fast*.

	This is a good flick, by the way...

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