HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Homsexuals rasing children(question)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.045344.5979@meaddata.com> king@meaddata.com (Mike King) 
writes:
>
>Do homosexual relationships have the long-term stability necessary to
>raise children?

Depends on the couple.  Some do, some don't.

Do heterosexual relationships have the long-term stability necessary to
raise children?  

Some do, some don't.  You could make the argument that gay/lesbians couples
who want children are more likely to be stable, because the process
requires so much more commitment.  Same-sex couples aren't going to have
children by accident.

>Are "children" of homosexual parents ostrisized by the other children?

"Ostracized".  Probably some are.  Children can be pretty mean, you know.
Children are ostracized for all kinds of reasons. 
>
>Do the "children" grow up normal?  And no, by normal I don't mean
>heterosexual.  In other words, do they have any emotional problems or
>problems with relationships?

I'm sure they do.  Do you know any people raised by hets who have *no*
emotional or relationship problems?  The important thing, I think, is how
the parents relate to each other, not whether they are of the same sex. 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:38:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <CORWIN+.92Nov9131742@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU> 
corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:

> [...] A 1990 CMU graduate, who was interviewed anonymously by
> Scanlan, says, "Guys who were straight but not that great in the acting
> field had a stronger chance of staying than the guys who had some
> talent but were effeminate."

Professional, world-class programs in the performing arts --
and Carnegie Mellon's Drama Department is both -- have to take
their student actors' "personal mannerisms" into consideration.
It is a brute fact of life.  

Arne
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS pix
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:31:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov5.043105.27524
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <thaaang.720919717@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>No; remember, I was going hypothermic in the lake and he was doing
>his best to insulate me from the cold? (and what a *good* best it was...)

That was David Kerlick, not Gerry Swetsky.

(I know, all us hairy guys look alike...)

>That wasn't *that* risque', was it?

Well, not until you wriggled free.

>John, hoping he's not got names mixed up or something (I *do*
>have that tendency, you know...). *Tres* tacquee'... (oh dear,
>now I'm going to be overcome with anxiety until... good heavens,
>maybe I *do* have the names mixed up. I just thought of him as
>Persimmon. Shit, I'm going to shut up now... Is it too late to
>cancel articles?)

Yes.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:34:20 GMT

ck> Charles Kirby
gs> Gary Strand

ck> #2 fosters an attitude of intolerance toward gay people, which translates
    in the minds of some extremists into: "it's okay to bash gay people."

  Then that's the extremists' problem, isn't it? That's like saying that the
  selling of alcohol makes drunk driving OK. The problem is with the people
  who drink and drive, not those who sell alcohol.

gs> I wouldn't take the words of a deeply disturbed individual as being objec-
    tive. 

ck> Good advice.  From your posting I find you to be a cold, uncaring, distur-
    bed individual and will not take your words as being objective

  Amazing how much someone can read into one post, eh? Care to make any more
  irrelevant comments, or can we address the issues at hand?

ck> Why would you try to hide his claim that passage of 2 was a direct cause
    of his suicide? 

  Merely because someone commits suicide over "X" doesn't mean "X" is either
  good or bad. "X" can be getting a B on a test instead of an A. "X" can be
  a really bad case of acne. "X" can be the urge to make others feel really
  sorry.

ck> People who are in this situation deserve compassion, a shoulder to lean
    on, an ear to listen to them, not condescending, holier-than-thou spewings
    about "liking yourself."  Fuck off.

  How nice. Your whole argument just went into the toilet. Don't be critical
  of me for being self-reliant. It's really sad that our society has so per-
  verted things that those who can't live without being told that they're OK
  and that they're loved are considered saints, whereas those who can take
  all the abuse others heap upon them and spit it right back are told "Fuck
  off". How nice.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Regarding the Lambda
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:01:55 GMT

: I've also heard that the Lambda was used as a shield insignia by elite
: Spartan platoons consisting of pairs of lovers.

It was, indeed, the symbol of the city-state of Lacedamonia (Sparta).  Only 
the Spartans put the capital lambda on their shields.  It looks something like
this:  /\
      /  \
     /    \ -akedamon ("TERMINATE THE ATHENIANS!!!")

..while the lambda used today is the lower-case lambda, looking something like
this:	\
	 \
	 /\
	/  \ -ambda

							-- Neil Bernstein
						struggling Classics major
From: sdonahue@pbs.org (Susan Donahue (10,000 Maniacs minus 1))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GayCom (was: The Gay & Lesbian BBS List -- November 1992)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:52:25 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Nov8.191847.22542@tronsbox.xei.com>, glenns@tronsbox.xei.com (Glenn S.) writes:
> In article <1df3j3INNgdf@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
> 
>>A lot of the local gay BBSs have some sort of fidonet-like connection
>>called "GayCom".  Does anyone know if there is a way to get to those
>>BBSs from the Internet?
> 
> Hmm... doubtful.  Unless one of the BBS' is also on the Internet/uunet 
> somehow, I don't think you're going to find them here.  (Plus, from what
> I've seen of GayCom, it's not worth it.  It's a bunch of guys sitting around
> dissing each other. 
	Wrong, bunky....GLIB...Washington DC Metro area Gay/Lesbian BBS has
	a lot of women on it too....and although dissing occurs, it is rare
	and more often in good fun....

	There are chat lines and a specific chat for women...Lesbians on Line.

	I'm not saying that the things you cite are not good....just think
	I should put in a plug for GLIB.....glib.org on internet...
	703-578-4542 for unregistered users.
	
B*B
> Glenn
	TTFN

> +-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:31:30 GMT

elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) signs himself:
>>
>>John, in bisexual woman drag (icepick in clutchpurse, of course)


>I clearly need to update my wardrobe.

No, Ellen darling. A purse or fanny-pack will be just as acceptable.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott official?
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:32:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov11.043235.6475
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov11.004645.28687@draco.macsch.com> Bryan J. Blumberg 
<bjb@macsch.com> writes:
>
>According to an article on Page One of Today's Los Angeles Times,
>Tuesday, November 10, 1992:
>
>[This is an extract of only a few paragraphs from the article.]
>
>As of Monday, groups including the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund
>of Washington and the American Assn. of Physicians for Human Rights,
>a San Francisco-based advocacy group for lesbian and gay physicians
>in the United States and Canada canceled [sic] yearlong plans to hold
>annual conventions in Denver in 1993.

Why the [sic]?  "Canceled" is not only correct, it's the preferred
American spelling (according to my American Heritage and Webster's New
World dictionaries).


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Royalty (was Re: Icons and Legends)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:13:49 GMT

In article <25310@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com (Christina Black) writes:
>I lived in England for 4 months when I was 12 or so.  The government-run
>school (which, in British parlance, is not called "public") which I
>attended had a religious assembly each morning with hymns and the Lord's
>prayer. The vicar spoke at this assembly once a week, and we took
>religious education once a week.  Every bit of this religion was Church
>of England, i.e. Christian.  One of my school texts was the King James
>Bible. [. . .]
>
>This would be unimaginable in the States.

I went to public school in North Carolina (a State, to be sure) from
first grade to ninth. We said a blessing every day in second grade
when we lined up to go to the lunchroom. In fifth grade, my homeroom
teacher had a prayer and a bible reading everyday. ALL our school
assemblies, as far as I can remember, had began with a prayer. Very
Christian stuff. There were probably other prayers and bible readings
and religious things, but they haven't stuck in my memory--probably
not done on an everyday basis.

I left that school system when I was 14, and I'm 23 now, so it
wasn't all that long ago, and I have no reason to believe anything's
changed since then.

Sorry to burst your bubble! 

Caroline

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Caroline Jean Lee | "Why can't North Carolina be like all the other states and
cjlee@netcom.com  |  vote for Bill Clinton?" -my dad, at 1:30 am EST when the
                  |  results for NC still weren't in (it went for Bush).
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: US Electorasl system (Re: Boxer Campaign Needs Your Help!)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:26:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 2af6bd8e@ul.ie, kellyc@ul.ie () writes:
>
>And furthermore... during the last US presidential election I saw an article 
>on the other candidates running for president (The US equivalent of the 
>greens, Sinn Fein, The Raving Looney Party, the Communist Party etc, I 
>suppose) and it was accompanied by a sample ballotpaper from some state.
>What I couldn't figure was, that Dukakis' name was on it four o five times, 
>apparently representing different parties, including the Democrats and the 
>Liberals.  What was happening, can anybody say?

Some states, such as NY, have other parties.  NY, for example, has the Democratic,
Republican, Liberal, and Conservative tickets, in addition to the other splinter
parties.  In NY, usually DEM = LIB and CONS = REP, but there are some exceptions.
Every few years, in a senate race, there is a 3way and the vote is split, allowing
the other to squeak through.

Howard

>
>Cathal
>
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Howard I. Solomon			|ELECTION '92
Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Say goodnight, George.
his@east.sun.com			|
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Pull every dollar you are sending to Colorado out...
Summary: Ok, now we're going to get into the big fight... 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:43:58 GMT

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	of Denver.  The University has neither control over nor
	responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users.

Ok, folks, here's my opinion wrt boycotting Colorado businesses...

Do it.  If you were planning on coming to "Hate^H^H^H^HColorful Colorado"
for your vacation, don't.  If your parents or friends were planning on 
doing it, _talk them out of it_.  If you have any sort of influence in
your corporations, and can get business meetings or whatever moved out
of state, _do it_.  If you see anything with "From Colorado" on it,
_don't buy it_.  If you do want/need to come, talk to somebody on the
net first.  We can find you lodging in a "friendly" hotel.

Be sure and talk to Colorado.  Call the State Board of Tourism (listed
below), and tell them that you are not coming to Colorado _because of
its discriminatory laws_.

Write to President Clinton.  Tell him that until there is a clause in
the Federal Civil Rights Laws, _the people who elected him will continue
to be discriminated against_.

If you do come to Colorado, bring a gun.  The Colorado "make my day" law
says that _if you feel your life is in danger, lethal force is permissable_.

Attached are some addresses and phone numbers.  Write.  Call.  Carpe Diem!
Colorado has a lot more to fear from a RadiKalFeministLesbianBitch like me
then I have to fear from Colorado.

1. Coor Brewing Co, Golden, CO  1-800-642-6116
   Golden, CO 80401

2. Current, Inc., Colorado Springs, CO 1-800-525-7170
   POB 2559, Colorado Springs, CO 80901

3. Diners Club International, Englewood, CO 1-800-525-9135
   183 Inverness Dr. West, Englewood, CO 80112

4. Walter Drake and Sons, Colorado Springs, CO (719)-596-3140
   Drake Bldg., Colorado Springs, CO 80940-0001

5. Manville Corp. 1-800-654-3101
   PO Box 5108, Denver, CO 80217-5108

6. Teledyne Water Pik  1-800-525-2774
   1730 East Prospect St., Ft. Collins, CO 80553-0001

7. Vicorp Restaurants  (303) 296-2121
   400 W. 48th Ave, Denver, CO 80216

8. US WEST, Inc. 1-800-usw-help
   Orchard Falls Bldg., 7800 E. Orchard Rd., Englewood, CO 80111-2533

9. Consumer Information Center  719-948-4000
   Pueblo, CO 81009 (our tax dollars at work in KKKlorado)

The CO state travel bureau's number is:  1-800-433-2656
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="When we're free to love, anybody we choose; then we shall be free.  We shall=
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Colorado Blues
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:35:16 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) wrote:
>As for new Supreme Court nominations, it seems to me that the
>people that Clinton would be replacing would be the old liberals
>appointed in the 60s.

Like White?

Rumor has it that Rehnquist wishes to retire so that he can go back
to teaching.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:53:43 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov6.001702.8730@netcom.com> 
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> And on civil liberties, it's more or less a wash between the two
> parties, as always.

That is egregiously false.  Which Republican Party are
you referring to that comes remotely close to the Democratic
Party with regard to civil liberties?

> But at least the Republicans are in flux now,
> so there's a greater opportunity for progress.

Yes, progress is possible now that the Democrats are in power 
and the Republicans are busy fighting amongst themselves out
in the wilderness somewhere.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Orange County Went Democrat?
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:07:30 GMT

In article <adjg.721176822@sour.sw.oz.au> adjg@sour.sw.oz.au (Andrew Gollan) writes:
>It was reported on this side of the Pacific anyway, that Orange County
>went to Clinton in the election. This flies somewhat in the face of
>everything I had ever heard about the place...

OC went for Bush, though not overwhelmingly. Clinton campaigned
there (heavily) and got a good reception. They don't seem to like
Bush any more then anyone else does.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."
					--Ziggy Stardust

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: zennaro@iesd.auc.dk (Christina Zennaro)
Subject: Re: German chaos continues
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:22:04

I am sorry to have to correct you on the issue of the neo-nazis not
attacking gays and lesbians in Germany. In Berlin they have attacked
several gay/lesbian bars and discos. They even killed some people.

In fact we are very concerned about what is going on in Germany and I
sometimes felt very unsecure this summer when I travelled for 3 weeks
in Germany and visited lesbian friends there.

Christina

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 \      /   Christina Zennaro               |zennaro@iesd.auc.dk
  \    /    Dept of Math and Comp Science   |
   \  /     University of Aalborg           |Frederik Bajersvej 7
    \/      Denmark                         |DK-9220 Aalborg S0

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: 900082m@ace.acadiau.ca (KATHLEEN MCLEAN)
Subject: Re: Drawing the Line
Keywords: Kiss and tell
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:04:58 GMT

Drawing the line started out as an interactive photo event(women 
scribbling all over the walls), then it was the video mentioned, and there 
is also a postcard book available, with 40 of the c.100 photos in the 
exhibit represented.  Kiss and Tell, the collective responsible for Drawing 
the Line are Susan Stewart (the photographer), Persimmon Blackbridge (a B.C. 
sculptor and one of the models) and  Lizard Jones (a graphic artist and the 
other model).  They have been working together for maybe five years now, and 
did a performance piece called "True Inversions" in Vancouver last month.  
Lizard Jones will be in Halifax, Nova Scotia on November 18 at Rumours,  
talking about the show, screening the video.  Should be cool.
The postcard book is published by Press Gang and is available where ever 
fine books are sold.  The video is distributed by V Tape in Toronto.
And by the way, Persimmon Blackbridge has been dealing with issues of 
lesbian representation, sexual and otherwise, for a decade or so.  One of 
her best known collaborations is Still Sane, which deals with a woman's 
incarceration in a mental institution for, you guessed it, being a lesbian.
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: soc.motss's tradition of rhetorical excellence (was Re: Twice Fucked)
Keywords: idiocy, sexism
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:35:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov10.223527.11727
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <1992Nov10.175316.9292@walter.bellcore.com> dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne) writes:
>
>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>
>|> Meow! Someone got up on the wrong side of life this morning. You
>|> ought to give some kind of warning to these postings; you know,
>|> something like "Summary: Attitude Queen on the rag... Proceed
>|> with caution". (How's that for flamebait?)
>
>Excellent.  Do you use anti-woman expressions whenever you want to
>insult a man, or do you reserve them for insulting gay men?

I don't use them *whenever* I insult men. I've known some
breeders who could pass for attitude queens in a dim light, but
it's mainly a fag thang.

Maybe "...on the rag" was over the top. But hell, if Madonna can
call men "queens on the rag", why can't I?

Owing to the sensitivity of this thread, I've overridden my usual
scruples and added a smiley...

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Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."
					--Ziggy Stardust

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