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From: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com (Andy Deitsch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel Clubs
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research & Development

Does anyone have info about Travel clubs in the U.S.  Specifically,
I'm looking for a club that charges a fee for membership and then 
gives discounts on airlines, hotels, tours etc.  I think one such
club is called "Escort" but I don't have a phone number.

Any info would be appreciated.

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From: dhmccra@custer.uucp (David H. McCracken)
Subject: Re: NEW ORLEANS--share the wealth!!!
Organization: Exxon
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:50:10 GMT

In article <C15u9r.GK7@mach1.wlu.ca> reil0766@mach1.wlu.ca (reilly derek) writes:
>Hello y'all.......
>		I'm going to New Orleans this Feb. and need to know where I can
>get good food,drink entertainment FOR REALLY REALLY CHEAP--
>		Oh yeah- I suppose 'sights' might be OK too......
>
>Any replies very much appreciated!!
>
>Derek Reilly Reil0766@Mach1.wlu.ca

New Orleans? And Cheap? Those two words don't go together very well. Food-wise,
if you're staying near the French Quarter, try down around the French Market
area. There are a lot of dumpy places that have excellent food. Stay away from
Bourbon Street simply because it's too expensive. Go there to party, not to
eat if you're on a budget. Cheapest drinking? Street vendors on Bourbon St.
Sounds like fun. Wish I could get down there again!
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From: ah505@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Quinby)
Subject: Re: Peru and Bolivia info wanted
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:36:12 GMT


In article <35536@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) w
rites:
>The most helpful thing you can do for your friends is tell them not to
>leave without the South American Handbook.  Updated every year, it is
>far better than standard tour guides.  I used this book in both Peru
>and Bolivia and found it invaluable.

The South American Handbook is very comprehensive - too comprehensive
for the ordinary traveler. Better one should take the Lonely Planet
books for Peru and Boliva. Besides, the two Lonely Planet books
will weigh less than the South American Handbood (and probably
cost less too).

	Brian

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From: barry@dingus.osf.org (Barry Perlman)
Subject: Middlebury, VT
Followup-To: barry@osf.org
Keywords: Middlebury Vermont VT inn xc-ski
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:33:01 GMT


Hi,
	I am looking for recommendations for inns in Middlebury, VT.
If you have been to one, please let me know what you thought of the
place.
	Also, if you have anything to tell me about restaurants or
sights or cross-country ski trails in the Middlebury area, please
respond.

	Please respond directly to: barry@osf.org 

	Thanks,
	Barry

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From: nbeck@weber.ucsd.edu (Nathaniel Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: How crowded is Normandy in late August
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:35:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu


Hi

I am planning a trip to France for the last week of August and the
first week of Sept. The only constraint is that I arrive from London
and that I depart from Paris. This is not my first trip to Paris nor
the countryside.

I would appreciate any information (or guesses) on how crowded the
Normandy (non-beaches) area might be at that time, as contrasted to
the Alsace and Burgundy regions. These seem to be the two regions
that work with my constraints.

Thanks in advance

Neal

-- 
Neal Beck 
Dept of Politcal Science, UCSD
beck@ucsd.edu
Dislaimer: The Regents pay me (in scrip?) to distribute my opinions!
From: efenster@igc.apc.org (Eric Fenster)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Moscow study trips
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:12:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1460300147:000:732
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!efenster    Jan 26 23:12:00 1993


From: Eric Fenster <efenster>
Subject: Moscow study trips

  I want to remind anybody who has been thinking of participating in the
Moscow study trips being organized for Spring 1993 that time is short for
deciding and making the necessary arrangements.
  The trips are "fact-finding missions" to explore the economic, political,
social developments in Russia, and all interested adults are eligible.  No
knowledge of Russian required.

The schedule is:

1) 15 Apr-22 May
2) 15 Apr-04 May
3) 03 May 22 May

4) 29 May-29 Jun  (inc. 4 credit hrs from Eastern Michigan Univ.)

  I can send complete information by email, as well as the daily schedule
followed last June.  My address is:

 efenster@igc.apc.org

Thank you,
Eric Fenster
From: sandahl@carson.u.washington.edu (Cory Sandahl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: The Sandals Resort in Antigua - Any Good?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 03:16:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

My fiance and I will be going on our honeymoon this coming October and were 
interested in gathering some information about the Sandals Resort in Antigua.

We also are interested in St. Thomas, St. Croix, and other VI/BVI locations.
Can anyone offer us insight into the pros/cons of such All-Inclusive package
deals?   We are looking for a vacation which offers a healthy balance of both
privacy and activities i.e. night life, scuba, tennis, etc. 

I would really appreciate a response from those who know.  Please respond
direct email.

Cory in Seattle.
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 22:50:14 CET
From: <KCHAN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Los Alamos, New Mexico
Distribution: world

There is not much there (not much is probably over-stating the attractions!)
unless you are going to visit the Los Alamos National Lab - there's a small
museum on-site of the early atomic research years (that's what I was told
anyway as I have never been in it).

I stayed overnight in Los Alamos to meet up with a friend of mine from
England who was attending a meeting at the Lab and we were going to go touring
after his meeting. It was in summer and the restaurants in town were closed by
8pm!! Luckily the one in our hotel stayed open till 8.30pm!

Why not go to Santa Fe or Taos or Bandelier National Monument? All within 1-2
hours' drive.
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From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: More favorite beaches.
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:46:14 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

Favorite beaches from someone who is avowedly inexpert on beaches: 

Poipu beach, Kauai, Hawaii
Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica

SJM
From: dcs@dcsborg.cls.com (David C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: re: Jamaica Wedding
Summary: weather in Negril, Jamaica during August
Keywords: Jamaica, weather
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:22:49 CST
Organization: Borgmeister's, Houston, TX

mlec@bnr.ca (Marc Leclair) writes:

> Hi,
>
>     We are also planning our honeymoon and are considering
> Swept Away and the Sandals superclubs.
>
>     Please reply to Lara's post on the net. Your anwsers about
> these places would interrest me also.
>
>     Some particular questions I have are:
>
>    -  How is the weather in Jamaica in early AUGUST???
>
>    -  Which of the Sandals resorts is the best for honeymooners.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>
Last August, my wife and I spent 10 days at Hedonism II in Negril.
The mornings were hot and sunny and the afternoons were warm and
rainy. You just have to be sure and do sunning and beach activities
before 2:00pm. We still managed to get a "lot" of sun. Hope this
helps.

Dave
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: European food prices?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:01:25 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

efenster@igc.apc.org (Eric Fenster) wrote:
[ about a query on how much to allow for food per day in Europe, $15 being
  the target ]
> Food prices in Europe for many items are much higher than in the US.

As are food prices for many items in the US.  It depends on what you want
to eat.  A recent survey published in several British papers compared
(mostly) the sort of packaged foods you buy in supermarkets: these worked
out slightly more expensive in the UK than in the US (to about the same
extent as Australia was cheaper than the US) and a bit higher again in
France.  (And one mystery of that survey was that Heinz baked beans, which
are made by a US transnational corporation from a US-grown raw product, are
cheaper in the UK than anywhere else in the world).  And some branded
products ubiquitous and basic in the US are obscure and premium-priced
delicatessen foods elsewhere.  But if you tried to find what most French
people eat in American shops you'd pay a *hell* of a lot more for that, too.

On the other hand, if your aim isn't eating the same stuff you do at home
but getting a good nutrient intake of interesting food, you shouldn't have
too much trouble meeting the $15/day target anywhere in the world, *if* you
adapt to local food customs and know where to buy the stuff.  It's *always*
going to be more expensive to eat in a foreign country, no matter *where*
you come from or where you're visiting, if you don't know how to tell cheap
from expensive places.  And that means rather more detailed information
than you're going to get here.

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17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: European food prices?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:48:34 GMT

In article <93026.101528ATJMO@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ATJMO@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>One suggestion is to fill up on "street food," which is typically pretty
>cheap.  In Brussels and in Amsterdam you can get large portions of french
>fries with a choice of about a dozen different and yummy sauces on top for
>not much money.  

Good advice, to a certain extent.  After all, street food is still a pretty
limited menu - try to get a decent meal in a restaurant, or even in a
student mensa at least once a day.  Fresh fruits, cheeses, and sausages,
purchased at street markets are usually a good deal, and one of the most
interesting things to try are the local sausages and cheeses (and beers).

In particular countries, there are certain possibilities:

- In England, try the pub food, especially for lunch.
- In Germany, the Nordsee fish restaurants have very good, reasonably priced
  carryout fish sandwiches.  Bakeries often have pastries and sandwiches filled
  with cheese, ham, sausages, etc.

>And, yes, I agree, nutella is one of the best creations of the western world.

Bleah.  When Europeans I know make fun of American eating habits, my response
always includes Nutella.  Chocolate spread on bread?!  For breakfast?!

Wayne

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From: patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: [USA] Renting a car when you're under 25 yrs old...
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:01:37 GMT
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.

In article <1993Jan26.175034.4561@cs.sfu.ca> ekaas@cs.sfu.ca (Erik Kaas) writes:
>
>There are two companies that do rent cars: Thrifty and General (at least in
>L.A.), but you'll have to pay $10 (Thrifty) or $5 (General) PER DAY extra when
>you're 24.

Unfortunately, General doesn't exist any more -- it's been bought by
Dollar.  :(
-- 
Patricia Martin Steward                      patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
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I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
ments that differentiate me from a doormat.       Rebecca West, 1913
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ampac@netcom.com (Marc Kulla)
Subject: China - Yangtze Cruise question
Organization: AmPac International
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:00:03 GMT

Hi,

I am planning on taking a short Yangtze River cruise in May, and have
a couple of questions.  First of all, if anyone has done this, please
share any experiences (both good and bad) with me (and the net if you
would like).  I plan on going from Chongqing to Yichang.  I won't go
on to Wuhan like most cruises do.  I will stop in Yichang.  So, it
should be a 3 day trip (2 nights).  The stops could be anywhere, but
a few stop in Fengdou and Badong and various other cities.

I am looking for information on the ships.  What are the nicest 
ships or line to use?  What level of comfort can I expect from even
the best ship?  (oh, and yes, I've been to China before, so I do
know a bit of what to expect - both good and bad).

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.  Post to the net or send to
me at ampac@netcom.com

Thanks,

Marc
ampac@netcom.com

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ccsdec@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Info. on Club Med Paradise Island Bahamas
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:42:42 GMT

Info needed on Paradise Island Club Med in the Bahamas
 Going in March break. First time to club med. What about
 golf courses and green fees. Any sightseeing? 
 
Thanks     Howard

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: rjsarfi@knuth.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: (none)
Originator: rjsarfi@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:20:43 GMT
Return-Receipt-To: rjsarfi@knuth.uwaterloo.ca



A few years ago, I read an article about the Trans-Siberian Express. 

Unfortunately, I do not remember much of the details of the article, but

now would like to make the voyage. Is this service still running?

Any information would be appreciated, especially addresses.

Thank You,


Robert Sarfi


E-Mail: rjsarfi@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme)
Subject: Southerner needs info on ONTARIO
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:05:52 GMT

In mid-February I'll be going to Toronto for a winter vacation.
I'll be there for about a week and I was thinking of seeing some 
of the other cities in the Ontario for a couple of days.  My 
interests are skating, hockey and other winter sports.  My
sons interest is playing in the snow and my wifes interest is 
more on the history of the area.

I'd like to get some opinions on what are some good cities to
see within reasonable driving distance from Toronto.  I was 
thinking about Ottawa.  I heard that there was a Winter Festival
there sometime in February, but I don't know any details.
Also, how are the roads in Ontario in the winter?  Are they real
icy?  Is there anything one should know about driving there
in the wintertime?  Is there anything a southern boy should know 
before going to canada in the winter time?

Please e-mail responses to me.

David DeLorme
att!cblpo!dbd
From: spetter@photon.swdc.stratus.com (Scott Spetter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Getting a passport FAST
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:03:20 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA


If you are willing to spend a day in a Passport office (such as the offices
in San Francisco or New York), it is possible to do it in one day.  These
days, they will generally require you to have a plane ticket in hand to
do this.  What I did in San Francisco was walk into a travel agency 
down the street, and charge a refundable ticket to Amsterdam.  Two
hours later, I left the Passport office with my new passport.  (Actually,
I was traveling overseas for interviews, so I did not have my "real"
ticket, it was to be picked up at the airport.)

It is important that you get to the office as early as possible ... lines
can be long.  I believe you can also get your passport issued at once if
you are overseas and the original is lost or stolen - you need to go to a
US embassy or consulate office to do this.  Of course you should have the
paper work, photos, and acceptable proof of citizenship with you when you
go to the office.

Good luck,

Scott
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From: rkimm@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert L. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: National Parks
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:58:16 GMT

wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette) writes:

>barbara.l.leone (inky@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
>: I have visited Yosemite, Grand Canyon & Glacier National Parks.
>: I am interested in visting additional parks in the spring.  
>: Any information on the many others parks in our country would
>: be appreciated.

>	Depends on what you want -- there are large parks (Yellowstone,
>and one in Alaska -- Kitmai?? -- that is even larger) and small parks
>(some very miniscule ones around and in Washington, D.C.)  Some of my
>favorites include

Katmai in Alaska is not all that big, but some others (Denali and Wrangall
St Ellas) are huge (I believe Wrangall St Ellas is about 12,000,000 acres,
compared to about 2,000,000 for Yellowstone).

>	Yellowstone (I usually ignore the thermal areas -- at least after
>		the first visit, and love the northeast quadrant)
>	Grand Tetons (expensive area, due in part to the Rockefeller's (sp?),
>		but then the park is largely due to them also)
>	Olympic (both mountains, rain forests, and wild coast)
>	Mt. Rainier (fairly small, but some nice ice climbing)
>	Cascades (just lots of good hiking)
>	Zion (both the Canyon of the Virgin and the Kolob Plateau)
>	Sequoia/King's Canyon (particularly KC, which is not that
>		heavily visited for a California park)
>	Rocky Mountain (I spent severl years hiking all over the
>		place, but haven't been there for years)
> 	Mt. Haleakala (Maui, a beautiful drive up and the sunrises/
>		sunsets are wonderful)
>	Canyonlands (good examples of slickrock)
>	Everglades (again, where I spent some of my youth, but haven't
>		seen it in 25 years)

I have found a guidebook from National Geographic to be helpful for the 50
National Parks.  It doesn't help much with other Park Service properties,
such as National Monuments, National Forests, National Historical Parks, etc.
All of the above parks are described, with info on how to get there, where to
stay/camp, when to go, what to see, etc.

>	I realize that this has a western bias, but then I have lived
>the last 20 years of my life in the west.

Not surprising, since only 8 of the 50 National Parks are east of the
Mississippi.

BK
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From: stefanb@delos.stgt.sub.org (Stefan Bechtold)
Subject: How long to stay in HongKong/Bangkok/Singapore ?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:23:36 GMT
Organization: Delos Stuttgart, Germany


Hi !

I'm planning to do a trip to Australia in Summer 93. I want to see
at least two of those 3 cities mentioned in the Subject (Hong Kong,
Bangkok, Singapore). Which city would you recommand ?

How long should I stay in those cities ?

Thank you for any hints,
Stefan
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From: jcl3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEROME C. LICINI)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Travel to Florida Keys
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:32:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

After our first taste of the Caribbean last fall, my wife and I are looking
into the Florida Keys for our next vacation.

I would appreciate if responders to the original query could post to the
entire group, or forward their messages to me also:

Many thanks, Jerome Licini, JCL3@Lehigh.Edu
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From: plarimer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (         )
Subject: Campsites in or near Orlando Florida.
Keywords: camp sites
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:25:39 GMT

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From: mlec@bnr.ca (Marc Leclair)
Subject: Re: Southerner needs info on ONTARIO
Reply-To: mlec@bnr.ca (Marc Leclair)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 14:32:04 GMT

Allo!

     I don't know much about Toronto but if you plan on coming to 
Ottawa from Toronto here's some info.

 - Ottawa is about 5 hours drive from Toronto. Highway 401 East from
   TO to Ottawa is quite good, however beware of the dangerous
   combination of snow drift and transport trucks. They can run you off
   the road (and chances are you won't even know what happened).
   As far as ice, you are best to check road conditions and weather before
   you travel. The road conditions can go from clear to snowy to icy.
   General rule of thumb is unless is coming down pretty hard (snow) or
   unless it's coming down as freezing rain or it's very windy you shouldn't
   have any problems. Just take it easy and enjoy the ride. 

 - The Winter festival in the Nations Capital is called 'Winterlude'. 
   It's from Feb 5 to 14th.
   The festival is ten days of indoor and outdoor activities. 
   Skating on the world longest skating rink is one of them. The Rideau
   canal is turned into a 7.5 Km long rink and many events are scheduled
   on and round the canal. There's a snow play ground that is build in
   Jacques Cartier Park in Hull (just across the river from Ottawa) that has
   all kinds of snow and ice slides and structures for the kids. They will
   be attempting to break the record for the world's largest snow man.
   There's the Ice Sculptures competition at Ottawa's Dow's Lake which is
   always nice to see also. And many more.

 - For fun in the snow you could also got to the experimental farm (West
   end of Ottawa and go for a horse driven slay ride. This could be a lot
   of fun with the kids.

 - As far as history there's quite a bit here to see and visit.

 - I guess for all the information you ever wanted on Ottawa and the
    province of Ontario for that matter you could call:
        The Winterlude information line (613) 239-5000 or 1-800-465-1867
   I'm sure that if they don't have the information, they will know how
   you can get all you need.


I hope this will help.

Welcome to Ottawa, and
Have a good time

Marc L.

P.S. 
>Is there anything a southern boy should know before going to 
>canada in the winter time?         
   Bring some very warm clothing. It can get very cold (~ -25 C or -13 F),
   and with the wind, oooohh. But on the other hand if your lucky, I nice
   sunny they and - 5 C ( 23 F) is also possible and very enjoyable.
   Toronto is usually a little warmer then Ottawa.  
               
From: inna@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Inna Lauris)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:21:10 GMT
Subject: San Diego Vacation Rentals ?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel


We are planning to visit San Diego in April. I am looking for a condo
to rent for a week or so. I'd like to know where I can get info on
San Diego vacation rentals.  I've called their Chamber of Commerce, but
the agencies they gave me have a rather high rent even higher than Hawaii.
I've tried to look-up classified in L-A Times but came up with nothing.

ANy leads or suggestions will be appreciated .



					Inna