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From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joseph Panico)
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs
Subject: Seeking international drug information
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:39:30 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Originator: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu


Could someone please mail to me the telephone and address of :

     Interlab lmtd.
     Bucks Pagnell
     U.K.

Also, if anyone knows of some place that provides a similar service, I would
be very grateful for telephone #s or addresses.

Finally, I missed much of the debate surrounding FDA confiscation of small
amounts of drugs from overseas. What exactly are the applicable U.S. laws?
Thanks for any information.

				Joe Panico
				joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: bhanafee@deimos.ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Input section of an EKG
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:25:59 GMT
	<1992Apr8.113910.14735@news.uni-stuttgart.de>
	<12041@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> <1992Apr13.173319.10332@ibmpcug.co.uk>
	<11458747.21@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300


In article <11458747.21@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON) writes:
>>(It takes about 10 volts to kill someone through the gel pads used
>> to take an EKG (to my understanding, never tried it myself))
>
>Isn't it more that current is the main killer, not voltage? That's what I 
>always thought, and even my physics teacher says that "current fries the 
>heart!"

It doesn't really matter which way you look at it.  There will be some
resistance 'R' across the body between each pair of electrodes.  V =
IR.  If you have a 10 volt potential across the electrodes, it will
draw current I = 10/R.  If you are trying to regulate the current
flowing between the electrodes, then the resulting voltage will be
V = IR, where I is the regulated current.

Tip: Current regulators work by adjusting their output voltage
according to the output resistance (actually, impedance).
Note to EEs:  I know this is simplistic.  I adopted a *really* simple
model for the human body as an RCL circuit where C=0 and L=0.
Freshman EE doesn't fit in a short posting like this.


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From: 11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON)
Newsgroups: sci.med,connect.audit
Subject: Re: Input section of an EKG
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:44:53 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

In article <1992Apr13.173319.10332@ibmpcug.co.uk> george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman) writes:

>(It takes about 10 volts to kill someone through the gel pads used
> to take an EKG (to my understanding, never tried it myself))

Isn't it more that current is the main killer, not voltage? That's what I 
always thought, and even my physics teacher says that "current fries the 
heart!"

Seeya,
Christian.

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From: roihar@cc1.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: need IBD info
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:50:25 GMT

Hello there... I am assuming from your posting on sci.med that
     1) you haven't heard of IBDlist mailing list
                   or
     2) you are trying to improve your chances of getting a favourable
        (informatively) response


If 2) please ignore my next message...    Good luck!
            Martin A. Thompson
            roihar@crl.aecl.ca
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Oxygen and oil... kaboom! -- was Re: O2 a "prescription-only" drug?  Why?
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:42:33 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <34603@ttidca.TTI.COM> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

>Oil in a pure oxygen atmosphere -- what a concept! (One of the first
>things they teach you in welding class is _never_ use pressurized oxygen
>to blow off a surface.  If you happen to hit an oily patch it will
>instantly drop the oil's flash point below room temperature.  Boom.)

The other day a couple of people in a town near here were seriously
injured in an explosion that occurred when they decided to inflate a
tire from an oxygen tank.  (Apparently an emergency situation in the
middle of the night, with no compressed air available.)

The newspaper didn't say how the explosion occurred, but I'm guessing
there was some oil inside the tire.   Any other guesses?

(Relevant to sci.med in that it has to do with the safe handling of
oxygen.  I don't want to start a prolonged off-topic thread.)
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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Brainless legal decisions about newborns.
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Date: 16 Apr 1992 11:33:49 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Brainless arguments from fetus fetishists.

-*----
In article <19496@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL writes:
>>> ... My baby responds to warmth and sound, and has even started
>>> to explore his environment.  He has all of the same ssystems
>>> that I have, ...

In article <14383@pitt.UUCP>, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>> If I were to cut off your little toe and culture the cells from it,
>> they would all have exactly the same DNA you do, and are thus human.
>> But they would not be a person.

In article <19525@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL writes:
> Ah yes, Gordon, but I don't think these same cells would have
> the same sytems as I, nor would they respond to warmth or sound, nor
> would they explore their environment.  Thus, I cannot see the basis 
> for this correlation.

Laura McGovern was the one who brought up DNA identity as a separate 
point, to which Gordon Banks responded, and which she then excised
in her counter.  If she agrees that this is irrelevant to the issue,
she should not have raised it.

As it is, her other points are also flawed.  That a fetus has "the
same systems" is not very telling: so does a tadpole.  The fact is
that there are great physiological differences between Ms McGovern's
fetus and herself, indeed, between her fetus and what it will be
shortly after birth.  Some of these physiological differences concern
the brain, and make it impossible for her fetus to "respond" or 
"explore" its environment in the same sense as does Ms McGovern, or
even in the same sense as does one week old baby.  

Ms McGovern may not consider these differences important.  But that
she tries to pretend they don't exist would suggest that she sees
how others might consider them important, and would just as soon
ignore them in discussion of these matters.  This is a poor tactic
in an environment where there are plenty of people who know better.
The fetus fetishists can talk about a fetus "exploring" its
environment; but the fact remains that it does not yet have the
brain physiology that would allow it to do so meaningfully.

Russell
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Is baloon angioplasty safe?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:05:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Apr06.230124.27537@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:

>In summary, this doctor says he did a survey of recent medical
>literature, and he is quoting from those published sources. He is
>highly critical of balloon angioplasty, angiograms, and heart bypass
>surgery. His recommended alternative is an extremely low-fat diet,
>chemotherapy, exercise, and chelation therapy with EDTA.

Chelation therapy is a fringe-therapy that most authorities consider
quackery.  I'd never trust any article that recommended it.
>
>Periodical:  Wellness Today, March 1992
>Editor: Julian Whitaker, M.D.
>Article Title:  Treatments That Are More Lethal Than The Diseases They Treat
>
>Periodical:  Health And Healing, April 1992
>Author: Julian Whitaker, M.D.
>Article Title:  EDTA Chelation Therapy: your Safe Alternative To Surgery
>
The rest of the article is deleted but was for the most part
garbage.  In the right hands there is no question baloon angioplasty
works.  The question is for how long.  We won't know that for
a few years yet.  Usually the alternative to angioplasty is surgery,
not chelation which has never been shown to reduce lesions angiographically.


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From: invite@s7169
Subject: Period during Pregnancy
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:03:03 GMT

Hi,

 Is it possible for a primiparous woman to have her menstruation after 
fecondation ?
 If yes, what's the probability ?

 Thanks.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hair Loss suggestions
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:27:33 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Apr6.183046.8636@news.larc.nasa.gov> bandwen@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (bando) writes:
>
> Does anybody have any suggestions on how to prevent hair loss (baldness)?

If you are talking about male pattern baldness, castration is the
only preventative that really works.  Minoxidil may also help,
if you haven't gone too bald already.



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From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: Re: MRI
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 17:17:01 GMT

In article <69102@ut-emx.uucp> debs@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Deborah Summa) writes:
>Has anyone out there actually been for an MRI study?
>What's it like, and can anyone comment on the contrast medium
>which is sometimes employed?
>

yes and yes.  i have had more than my share of mri's and have more to come.

as for what ar they like, i far prefer them to ct scans because they do not
use radiation.

for me they are a real hard sell because i am terribly claustrophobic and
it usually takes about two attempts to get me in the scanner without
breathing problems, etc.  and then i need to be babysat with a human in the
same room with me, usually hands on.

i use the different knocking sounds that the scanner makes as a diversion
i find it helps a lot.

as for contrast, i have only had the contrast for an mr angiography and i
had no problems with it.  it is not at all like contrast given with a ct
scan.

i have been scanned from head to pelvis so if you need anymore information
drop me a line.

kg
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Why allergies come in "attacks"?
Summary: Look for _all_ allergens
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

One handy hint for allergy sufferers: Look for _all_ your allergens, not
just pollen.  The body can only withstand a certain amount of "allergic
load" before developing symptoms.  

I found that my stuffy nose is exacerbated by chocolate and by peanuts, and
that if I avoid these, it's a lot easier to breathe, especially when
other allergens (such as mold or pollen) are present and can't be avoided.

No testing was needed to discover these particular food allergies -- I
just noticed repeatedly that my breathing was worse after eating these
items, and that they produced a prickly feeling inside my mouth.

My allergist suggests a more thorough test: avoid the suspected food (or
whatever) for several days, meanwhile taking no antihistamines, and then
eat (or expose oneself to) a lot of it, and see if symptoms result.

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From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: High IQ world
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:30:46 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <1992Apr3.013114.29968@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>In article <19028@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL writes:
>>I am responding to Scott, who said that the most efficient form of charity
...
>It would be interesting to find out how recruitment psychologists who use
>IQ tests are coping with the apparent drop in IQ over the last 20 years
>due to decrease in practice of mental arithmetic, because of the invention
>of the pocket calculator.

I don't believe test scores could be "dropping": exams are normalized.
What is dropping are the scores on SAT's and such.

In fact, (I believe IQ test are at the best "fun", and at the worst,
"used to discriminate" standard response: "but we have to discriminate
somehow, don't we?" No, not really... :( )

"Raw" IQ scores in the US have been going up for quite some time, I
believe a likely result of such auxiliary things as better-understood
nutrition, better "standards of living" during infanthood, and some
better prenatal care. But the US still has a very high infant
mortality rate.


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| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: aharvey@fwhnm02.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Anne Harvey)
Subject: Norplant
Organization: Cellular Infrastructure Group, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 16:30:38 GMT


I am considering using the Norplant implant system of contraception.
I've discussed this with my gynocologist and was given a brochure to
read.  There does not seem to be any contraindications (I do not want
to get pregnant for at least the next several years.  I have no
personal or family history of liver disease, blood clots, breast
disease, heart disease, high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol,
etc.)  However, I am breastfeeding my 5 mo. old daughter and would like
to continue.  My dr.  tells me Norplant will not cause me or the baby
any problems, but I am slightly skeptical.

I'd like to hear any personal experience with this type of
contraception, especially those who have breastfed while using
Norplant.

thanks, 
anne
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|                                  Anne Harvey                                |
|                 Internet:aharvey@hpmail1.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com                 |
|              The opinions contained herein are strictly my own.             |
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From: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Subject: Re: Input section of an EKG
Reply-To: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:48:12 GMT


In a previous article, TOBIAS@bonnie.physik.uni-stuttgart.de () says:

>Normally 3 electrodes are used in simple ECG. You can get
>one derrivation with it (the third electrode is only for stabilization).

Three electrodes will give you three leads.  The three electrodes used
are left arm, right arm, and left leg.  In combination, these give leads
I, II, and III.  The remaining electrode is used to eliminate some 
environmental noise and artifact.  

Ten electrodes will give you twelve leads, a "full" EKG.  The electrodes
are placed left arm, right arm, left leg, right leg, and six V (chest)
electrodes.  You should be able to find the exact locations in any
textbook of electrocardiography.  

>The minimum number of electrodes is 2. Defibrilation devices can be used
>to write a simple ECG in order to see if the patient should be
>defibrilated (Asystoly ?). You can use the defibrilation-paddles as
>electrodes. 

Defibrillating someone in asystole probably won't make much difference.
Defibrillation and cardioversion are useful against rhythms such as 
ventricular fibrillation and V-tachycardia.
 

-- 

           Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Brainless legal decisions about newborns.
Keywords: brain death, brainstem life
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:02:36 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Apr10.002348.23943@pegasus.com> tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) writes:
>It would seem that with our sophisticated EEGs and MRIs we would be
>able to construct a definition of 'brain death' that would be
>funtional rather than anatomic, and would take into consideration the
>complete lack of cerebellar and cerebral structures in the
>anencephalic infant.  Application of 'brain death' criteria to a body
>that does not have a brain seems to be alomst oxymoronic.
>
Actually an anatomic criterion might be better, but none of the laws
that I know of are anatomically oriented.  They are all functionally
oriented.  MRI is an anatomic test only, not functional.  EEG and
clinical exam are functional, but there are cases, such as barbiturate
coma, in which these are zero and the patient isn't brain dead,
so I don't see how you are going to get the clinician out of the
loop.  

>have a good chuckle about it, but there is need for change.  So let's
>get with it.....who is responsible for the definition of brain death,
>and what must be done to get it changed, and who is going to do it?

State legislatures.  The Florida legislature deliberately inserted
into the law a clause forbidding use of patients who had a functional
brain stem.  
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From: tony@disk.uucp (tony)
Subject: I'll quit when I need glasses...
Summary: Will masturbation lead to blindness?
Keywords: blindness, masturbation, link, question
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:02:17 GMT

	The *old* joke runs...  It'll make you go blind... and the response,
Well, can I just do it until I need glasses.

	I was just what makes/(made) people think sexual self-indulgence could
lead to blindness?  Is there any connection at all, esp. in cases of great ex-
cess?  From what I've read I'd be inclined to suspect there is no connection
whatsoever, ...but I have read reports of people having strokes after copulationand I believe strokes can cause blindness, so I'm wondering if this might be howthe wivestale got started?  Any ideas?

					disk!tony@uunet.UU.NET

Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.kids
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Lime juice and lots of sun
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:14:55 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

| Trioxsalen (tradename, Trisoralen--you got it right) is a psoralen
| used to treat vitiligo and to enhance tanning.  It can cause a
| nasty burn if you're not exquisitely careful about following the
| timed schedule of exposures to the sun over successive days.
| That is, it's not an innocuous drug.

Aren't the psoralens associated with skin cancer?

Or more to the point, if I my goal is merely to get a tan -- oh alright,
let's up the ante and say I really want a tan Line -- is it likely that
a physician would prescribe me Trisoralen?
-- 
Ever cautious, Motives pure; Safe and effective, Who could demur?
Lead, follow or get out of the way.  Unless, of course, you're the FDA.
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Get Prescription Drugs Without Prescription - Mail Order
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:17:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <14357@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:

>Hydergine is complete bullshit and has no effect in study after study,
>other than making money for the pharmaceutical companies.

I remember reading a study that showed that Sandoz Hydergine did indeed
have several statistically significant effects over controls in regard to
[ad libbing here] temporal lobe activity, and also visual cortex.  The
generics did not have the same level of activity, if any.

I know, I know -- next you'll tell me that the study was comisisioned
by Sandoz. :-)
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The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
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From: elliottt@cis9.b10.ingr.com (Terri Elliott)
Subject: What is a Colagen Disease?
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:37:49 GMT

I was wondering if anyone could explain the term 'colagen (sp?) disease'.
I am having problems with pain and numbness in my hands, wrists and forearms.
My doctor did an arthritis profile and told me that two of the tests came
back positive and indicated some type of colagen disease.  She has made an
appointment with a rhematologist for me, but it is three weeks away.  She 
would not explain any further, saying that she wanted me to talk to the
rhematologist.  This has left me quite shaken, because I don't know what
I am up against.

Is this a fancy term for arthritis or tendonitis?  (Personally, considering 
the symptoms and the type of work I do, I believe it is carpal tunnel 
syndrome.)  I'm not asking for any type of diagnosis, just some insight 
on what she's talking about.  Thanks.


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From: fcai@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.bio
Subject: Information Search, for medical literature
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:54:05 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


	Hi,

	I'm interested in learning how to use usenet to gather reference
	information on medical research.  Specifically, I'm interested in
	literature about lipid metabalisim of the eye, over the last
	40 years or so.

	Please Email me with any information,

	Thank you for your help,

			F. Cai M.D.

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