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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Trademark legends
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 09:08:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.143853.4472@pony.Ingres.COM> sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.215401.7781@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>
>>Nope. Todd is either trolling, or very confused. There is no way to
>>trademark a commonly used term. For example, Bayer lost their "aspirin"
>>trademank due to common usage.
>>
>I vaguely recall reading (tm) that Bayer (a German company) lost their
>exclusive right to produce and trademark Aspirin as part of the Versaille
>treaty on reparations for WW1. Anyone remember different?
Even stranger, I read on the net (so it must be true!) somewhere a story
alleging that Bayer was in operation before and during WWII, making not
aspirin but such nasty military chemical products as Taubin and Zyklon,
which were nerve gases.  No reference to the Bayer company appears in any
accounts of the Nuremburg trials.

Simon

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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: FIZZIES (was: Re: Cheese popcorn)
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.192744.10356@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:

>3) Also misses...
>
>Fizzies!!
>
>Anybody else remember them?  Came on a foil-backed card of eight (I
>think); you dropped one in a glass of water, and like an Alka-Seltzer(TM)
>it would fizz into a drink, but of whatever flavor tablets you bought.

I suppose you also had "Happy Fizzies parties" as well?

cj "What about Cocoa Marsh Flavor Straws?" l
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Kingdom of Ideas
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:44:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan01.205632.7206@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
> WORK IN PROGRESS:
> "The Kingdom of Ideas"
> Copyright (c) 1992 Dave Gross
> 
> 	If ideas have lives of their own, our knowledge of those lives is
> more primative by far than the unscientific theories of biology held by our
> most misled and ignorant ancestors.
> 
> 	It was a long gap, after all, between the discovery of the principles
> of reproduction by some prehistoric thinker, and the discovery of the
> principles of heredity and evolution in the mid 19th century.  And it was yet
> another gap before the physical cogs of heredity -- genes -- were discovered.
> 
> 	So it should come as little surprise that ideas -- which are, after
> all, more flighty, ethereal things than plants and animals -- have remained
> unstudied for so long.

Memes and archetypes are just two of the terms used to describe this
(or very similar) ideas. Biologists tend to use memes seeing them as
analogous to genes and psychologists (jungian) tend to use archetypes.
Psychiatrists tend to just call them neuroses :-)
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: 28 Dec 1992 06:37:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
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lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
  +
  +Then again, some of my adjacent neighbors ...

Wat kinda zoo doos ya live in, Charles?
  +
  +Since you mention {Native American} maidens, isn't there a Pythagorean
  +algorithm that has something to do with the sum of the Sqauws of something?

Say, didn't Pythagoras come up with a three-sided theorem once?

Terry "Trying to breathe new life into an old thread" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: ...film at 11...
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:54:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
: infidel@cislabs.pitt.edu (todd j. derr) writes:
: 
: > I haven't been this steamed since the last time a megacorp highjacked
: > a common term, when IBM (in my mind, illegally) trademarked the
: > acronym for "personal computer."
: 
: Did IBM actually DO this?

Nope. Todd is either trolling, or very confused. There is no way to
trademark a commonly used term. For example, Bayer lost their "aspirin"
trademank due to common usage.

Bill
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From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Walking Between Rain Drops !!!!
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:22:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Terry "followups to:" Chan writes:

>Commenting on one of his appellations dwight@locus.com writes:
>
>  +Wait a minute. Where do you get off calling me names like that?  I change my
>  +underwear at least once a week.
>  +
>  +"Crusty" indeed!
>
>Whoa!  My most humble apologies.  Perhaps it should have been something
>like "sticky?"
>
>Terry "Trying to bring this thread closer to the subject line" Chan

Okay then, how about "drippy?" (also the name of the usually-unmentioned 
8th Dwarf, whose penchant for penicillin was unbounded)...okay, work on it.
It's been a long week...

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Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet 
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
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From: bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz)
Subject: Re: Oscillation of skyscrapers
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:46:20 GMT

Yes, skyscrapers do sway a bit.  Some now have dampeners built near the top.
I got a tour of the dampeners in the Hancock Tower in Boston a few years
ago.  There are two concrete blocks about 5 feetx5feetx12feet or so
(I forget the details) they are floated on oil bearings and have
drivers to move them.  When the building starts swaying, the blocks are
driven to dampen the movement of the building.  The biggest problem is not
the swaying, but the twisting.  If you look out the window of a twisting
building, you see/feel a lot more motion.  A small angle of movement
moves the distant buidings a long distance in your view.  A sway moves the
distant building the same few feet in your view.  The dampeners are on
opposite sides of the building, so they can be run opposite directions
to dampen twist.

What is really interesting is that these were added after the building
was built.  They are a few floors down from the top.

I'll try to find my notes on this, but I have doubts about finding them
If someone else has the info available-please post it.

Brian     bml@netcom.com    I jest to Oberon and make him smile - Will. S.
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From: casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith)
Subject: Re: Ethnicity & Soc.Secur.No.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:49:58 GMT

Fascinating, if complete balderdash ... my middle number is "52" and I'm
half Jewish, myself.
From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: little girl embedded in grille (was: Re: I Li
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:55:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <28090@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

[various drunk driving ULs discussed...]

Tha'ss okay.  Recently an acquaintance and I were discussing ULs, and I told
the ubiquitous story (noted as "U" in the FAQ) that goes something like:

"A guy was driving while stoned and tried to avoid being pulled over by watching
his speed very closely.  After awhile he saw flashing lights and pulled over.
When the officer approached he asked `do you know how fast you were going?'
The fellow responded with some figure just over the speed limit, and the cop
said `no, you were going 5MPH!' and wrote him a ticket."

As I finished the story the fellow was staring at me in disbelief.  Finally
he said "how did you find out about that?  That happened to some friends *and
me* (emphasis mine) years ago."  He then went into a full account, with names
and dates, about how the whole thing happened.  Unfortunately I don't know any
of the other involved parties and can't verify his story.  I might be able to
find out exactly where the incident was supposed to have happened, though, so
a check of police records might be possible.

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Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet 
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Federal Reserve Notes (Re: I Live to FAQ!)
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.030920.6708@netcom.com> bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz) writes:
>
>Before it gets asked, here are the presidents and backs of the notes
>
>1     Washington       ONE between obverse and reverse of great seal of the US
>2     Jefferson        Monticello (discontinued 1966)
>2     Jefferson        Signing of the declaration of independence (1976)
>5     Lincoln          Lincoln Memorial
>10    Hamilton         US treasury building
>20    Jackson          White House
>50    Grant            US Capitol
>100   Franklin         Independence Hall
>500   McKinley         Ornate FIVE HUNDRED (discontinued 1969)
>1000  Cleveland        Ornate ONE THOUSAN (discontinued 1969)
>5000  Madison          Ornate FIVE THOUSAND (discontinued 1969)
>10K   Chase            Ornate TEN THOUSAND (discontinued 1969)
>100K  Wilson           ornate ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND (only used for transactions
>               between the Federal Reserve System and the Treasury Department)

Since all the big bills were discontinued in 1969, are you saying that
the largest bill you will see in circulation today (except of course for
any pre-69's that people might still be circulating, but then again,
that was, hmmm, 33 years ago...), is a C-note?

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	- pynq@quads.uchicago.edu, who is still costing the net
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From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: ...film at 11...
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.021040.23538@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
|> styri@balder.nta.no (YuNoHoo) writes:
|> : billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
|> : : 
|> : : Nope. Todd is either trolling, or very confused. There is no way to
|> : : trademark a commonly used term. For example, Bayer lost their "aspirin"
|> : : trademank due to common usage.
|> : 
|> : However, no rule without the exception. The Olympic Games and the
|> : logo with 5 rings are somehow protected in most countries. Not in
|> : Norway where Lillehammer will host the winter games in 1994. The
|> : organizers does not have the proper trademarks and copyrights. A
|> : temporary law is considered by the parliament, but the whole thing
|> : is a legal muddle at present.
|> 
|> The 5 rings - with the proper colors - is copyrighted or trademarked
|> in many countries. Also note that the 5 interlinked rings was not in
|> common usage, except for the Olympics.

I'll look it up next year. A law graduate student just presented a thesis
using the Olympic Games as case study. There's some fuzz about this topic
in Norway anyway. The Olympic Organizing Committee claims to have the
trademark for the Olympic Games acronym (that's "OL" in Norwegian) and
is likely to sue eg. a shop named "little ol' ladies clothing" for using
their trademark. They've tried to trademark things like "winter 94" as
well.

With respect to the 5 colored rings - I don't know...

---
YuNoHoo
From: scruggs@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: CD Legends
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:12:13 -0800
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

In article <1992Dec31.235349.26112@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Bruce.Tindall@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.113751@orion.IntelliCorp.COM> pobermarck@intellicorp.com writes:
>>Many radio stations have a policy that they will not play any song longer
>>than <a certain length> (3.5 minutes?).  This is, of course, because we, the
>>listening public, have such short attention spans that if they play anything
>>longer, we will change the station. ;-)
> 
> Except for "Layla" and "In A Gadda Da Vida" , which were written
> specifically for sale to the market consisting of disk jockeys who
> often have to leave the studio to take a very difficult dump.
> 
> Bruce "There's a lady who knows all that glycerines is gold" Tindall
> --
>    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>            internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

It goes back further than Layla or In A Gadda Da Vida. Light My Fire was pretty
long for AM but it got played. Even earlier than that, according to disk jocky
Gene Nelson of KSFO in San Francisco, was El Paso by Marty Robbins. He stated
that this was one of the first songs where he could get up, go to the bathroom
and come back before it was over.
From: steveb@meaddata.com (Steve Brooke)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Federal Reserve Notes (Re: I Live to FAQ!)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:06:28 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mindcrime.meaddata.com

In article <1992Dec23.030920.6708@netcom.com>, bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz) writes:
|> I can fill in all but one letter
|> 
|> -:           Boston, MA             1     A
|> -:      >    New York, NY           2     B
|> :            Philadelphia, PA       3     C
|> -:           Cleveland, OH          4     D
|> :            Richmond, VA           5     E
|> -:      >    Atlanta, GA            6     F
|> -:           Chicago, IL            7     G
|> -:      >    St. Louis, MO          8     H
|> :            Minneapolis, MN        9     I
|> :                                  10     J
|> :            Dallas                11     K
|> -:           San Francisco, CA     12     L
|> 
|> Does anyone have a bill with a J?  J should exist because there
|> are 12 federal reserve banks and each issues bills.
|> (I tried to find them all a few years back and for months I never
|> saw a J bill-my guess is that it may be Honolulu and not many of
|> the bills make it to the contiguous 49 states.)
|> I cannot find a list of the Federal Reserve Banks (all the references
|> I have just state that there are 12)
|> 
|> 

J is Kansas City, MO

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From: kasprj@jec310.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re:    Colors of Olympic Rings
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:47:21 GMT

In article <92360.194140MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <MIWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|> The colors used in the Olympic Rings were chosen because they represent
|> all of the colors of every flag in the world. So says my old boss.
 
 I was told by my father that the colors of the Olympic Rings each stood
for one of the continents. 
 
 Yellow: Asia
 Black: Africa
 Red: North and South America
 Blue: Australia and the Pacific Islands
 Green: Europe

 The symbolism of the first three was pretty obvious, being the colors of
the indigenous races, and I guess the blue for Australia stood for the 
ocean which surrounds it. Never did figure out why green stood for Europe.
This should probably be taken with a grain of salt, especially if the 
tendency to spread UL's is an inherited trait.
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From: dw@unislc.uucp (Dan Wright)
Subject: Re: liquid nitrogen to defeat
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: SLC
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:49:36 GMT

"dave iwankow" (dave.iwankow@canrem.com) wrote:
: 
: I saw on TV (Either Primetime Live or 48 Hours) a segment on auto theft
: where a the tv crew 'hired' a couple of punks to steal their "protected"
: car. The hoodlums went through the CLUB in 15 seconds with a hacksaw.
: 
: Dave.

I saw the same show.  The punks did not even try to cut the club.  They cut
the steering wheel, of course, and removed the club.  That's how the club
is defeated.  Thieves do not try to freeze and shatter clubs.  The original
TV liquid nitrogen magic act was done purely for the sensationalism.

  -- Dan Wright
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From: rcnixon@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (russell.nixon)
Subject: Eso si que es!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:37:12 GMT

Regards to all for happy holidays and un prospero ano nuevo!
I remember hearing the first version of the commercial under discussion
and saying HUH? to myself.  I thought that it was wrong at the time.  I 
have only a limited command of Spanish, but still...  Later on I heard the
commercial again and it was corrected, but the dubbing was *very* crude. 
If one listens to the currently aired version, the dubbing is much better
but still audible.
Objoke three languages == trilingual
         two languages == bilingual
         one language  == American (Speak louder, they still don't understand.)

Russ (whose opinions are his own)
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Trademark legends
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:31:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
  
  +I vaguely recall reading (tm) that Bayer (a German company) lost their
  +exclusive right to produce and trademark Aspirin as part of the Versaille
  +treaty on reparations for WW1. Anyone remember different?

No, but I'm not old enough.  Panati in his _Extraordinary Origins
of Everyday Things_ backs you up.  The trademark was demanded by
the allies as part of the Versatile (bathroom tile?  Whatever) 
Treaty and so the trademark was surrendered to England, France,
the US, and Russia.  Then:

  "For the next two years, drug companies battled over their
   own use of the name.  Then, in a famous court decision of
   1921, Judge Learned Hand ruled that since the drug was
   universally known as aspirin, no manufacturer owned the
   name or could collect royalties for its use.  Aspirin with
   a capital A became aspirin."

Terry "Versailles?  Nah." Chann
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.food.cooking
Subject: Re: Cheese popcorn
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:15:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: burrhus.1992Dec23.151513.27723
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Dec22.205952.9536@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
>Andrew Baker Glazier writes:
>
>[to make cheese popcorn...]
>
>- Just use about 1/2 cup of butter for every 1/2 cup of (1/2 before it's
>- popped, that is) popcorn. After the popcorn's ready, pour the butter over
>- it, add grated romano or parmesagn and mix it together
>
Sorry. Hope no one tried that, you'd end up with a gooey mess. I *meant*
1/2 stick (1/4 cup) butter, melted


>A whole stick of butter?  For 1/2 cup of (uncooked) popcorn?
>And grated cheese?  1000 calories.  10 miles of running.
>Or 2 large servings of flan.  I think I'll take the flan.
>
>--
>Jeff Baron
>jbaron@gauss.ssc.gov


-- 
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these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: asale@fraser.sfu.ca (Antonina Sale)
Subject: Inventor of "Operation" game a neo-Nazi?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:33:02 GMT

I have tried to look into this one myself with no luck, and I looked into the
FAQ but didn't find it, so here it is: I have heard from two independent
sources that the inventor of the game "Operation" and the famous "Sea Monkeys"
is a major funder of American neo-Nazi groups, and is Jewish. Kinda creepy, 
especially when you think of that poor guy, lying there with his nose lighting
up and buzzing loudly. Ick.
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Dead Cat
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:02:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec23.170609.6987@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.163153.13764@crd.ge.com> salantel@dssv01.crd.ge.com (E. L. Salant) writes:
>>I heard this dead cat in the mall story years ago.  Only in the version
>>I heard the theif was a fat lady, who opened the bag in a telephone
>>booth in the parking lot.  She fainted upon opening the bag, and became
>>wedged in the booth, requiring the fire department to extricate her.
>
>I heard it related about a woman who disposed of her trash in fancy shopping
>bags.
>
>And then there's always the dead-grandmother-in-the-car versions.
	our next-door neighbor had a cat crawl into the engine fo their car
and die a few weeks ago. They didn't use that car for a couple weeks, or at 
least they didn't turn the fan on and it wasn't near any moving parts - so it
was real ripe by the time they discovered it. The whole family was in the car
and apparently they were all blaming each other before they twigged ;)
	Anyway, my neighbor took the car to 3 garages trying to get someone
to take it out for him, but no one would touch it, he ended up having to
do it himself. After this accomplishment, he proudly showed us the cat. It
was an *extremely* large cat.
	-Liz


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