HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: daven@notable.com (Dave Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Anybody seen the Microphone yet?
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:44:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: oberon.01058004.ie1885
Reply-To: daven@notable.com
Organization: Notable Technologies, Inc.
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <49470@shamash.cdc.com> (comp.sys.mac.comm), rlz@svl.cdc.com (Robert L Zalusky) writes:
| First it was April/May then Sept Now its November.
| 
| Has anyone seen / received flyers / or anthing about Microphone
| 
| other than what weve seen on the net and MacWeek.


What exactly do you want to know?  MicroPhone II v4.0 has been shipping
for months (I kid not). MicroPhone II Pro is shipping as well. For how long
I don't know, but I saw it at ComputerWare last Sunday.

Now, if you mean when will Software Ventures ship a version of MicroPhone II
that includes all the promised TCP/IP and Loran components? I don't know.

Cheers,

--Dave

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: frank@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (Frank Horowitz)
Subject: Marketeers (was MacTCP license fees & Eudora)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: CSIRO Geomechanics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:59:35 GMT

In article <15903@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>, pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul
Big-Ears Menon) wrote:
> 
> In article <1dq4g0INN7dn@morrow.stanford.edu> Malcolm Pradhan,
> pradhan@camis.stanford.edu writes:
> >In article <sdorner-101192120156@0.0.0.0> Steve Dorner,
> >sdorner@qualcomm.com writes:

<much discussion about rumoured new MacTCP & MacX fees deleted>

Well folks, Apple's marketeers and lawyers seem to be at it again.  I love
the mac, but I'm getting just old and stubborn enough to resist coughing up
to  Apple yet again.  

In the short run, I'm sticking with MacTCP 1.1 and MacX 1.1.7; they work
tolerably well, and the license is adequate for my needs. 

(BTW, my MacTCP 1.1 came with MacX, and is apparently governed by the
"Other" countries form of the license agreement for MacX.  In that
agreement, no mention is made that MacTCP is restricted only to use with
MacX.  I interpret this to mean that I'm legally using that copy of MacTCP
for all other software that requires MacTCP. If Apple now wants to claim
that's wrong, and that I should buy MacTCP *in addition* to the one that
came with MacX, I'm simply going to pass the evidence on to CSIRO's legal
department, and let them battle Apple.  Apple has already wasted enough of
my time on this issue.) 

In the medium term, if need be, I'm going to actively look at the
competition for an upgraded X-server. (Can you say White Pines, or
Intercon? I knew you could!) If they (or some other enterprising party)
also offered a viable  MacTCP substitute, without the obnoxious licensing
restrictions, and at a fair price, I'd also strongly consider going with
that.  

In the longer term, if the current trends at Apple continue, my next
desktop machine may not be an Apple. There's no telling what I'm going to
do, when and if, but I'm getting tired of the B.S.  (Apple techies take
note: in general you folks do great work! However, your company's
management is seriously ticking-off your customers. This is not healthy for
your company, or for your job prospects at Apple. It's also not healthy for
the third-party developers, like White Pine or Intercon, for example.)

I guess the bottom line is that there *is* a bottom line -- spelled $$$. 
I'm going to have to seriously consider the current policies before I spend
another dollar on Apple stuff.  If enough people feel the same way I do,
maybe Apple's marketeers are going to have to dust off their MBA's and go
looking for some other poor company to plague.

I speak solely for myself.
___________________________________________________________________________
Frank Horowitz, Senior Research Scientist, frank@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au 

CSIRO-Geomechanics, P.O. Box 54, Mt. Waverley, Victoria 3149, AUSTRALIA
Tel. (03)881-1247 (Int'l +61 3 881 1247),FAX (03)803-2052 (+61 3 803 2052)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele)
Subject: Re: Powerbook
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:01:00 GMT

In article <cFs3TB2w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn) writes:

   Two things really BUG ME TO DEATH with the Powerbook.

Which model?  I have a PB100.

   When using the "iternal" modem (Apple's 2400/Fax) the speaker
   CLICKS when it's on, and CLICKS when its off. I assume the
   software turns the modem on, and then shuts it down, causing
   a click.

   I assume that you could make the hardware turn the speaker off
   first, then turn the modfem off to eliminate it.

I think the PowerBook itself does this; it isn't the modem.  It shuts
down the sound chip to save power.  It's a pity it clicks, but there
it is.

   Second, why the HELL did you put the "Caps Lock" key where the
   CONTROL key is suposto go????? That was really sill to do to
   anyone that used a control key. Plus, I keep hitting it because
   it's so big and accidentally making all CAPS!

Well, it's the same as the Classic keyboard.  It's definitely a pain.
If they could have only got the Classic right...

   Please make a FIX for this and let me know (and others) by
   posting here and E-Mailing me directly.

No chance!  The Caps Lock key is wired up differently, unfortunately,
so the only fix would involve a new keyboard.

   Oh, the battery charger that you supply FRIES THE BATTERIES by
   over charging it. YOu say to just leave it plugged in, but
   the battery just gets hot and I now it only runs for a few
   hours. It's $160 for a new one, please FIX YOUR CHARGER!

...which PowerBook?  Which charger (the one that comes with it or the
external one)?

   I love my PowerBook, you did a really good job on it!

   Oh, the Fax can send, so it should be able to make it receive
   also. Are you working on a receive program for it, or is
   some smart guy making one? I don't think there's a hardware
   problem preventing it, since it talks both ways at 9600
   to a Fax anyway.

No can do - the chip can only send, not receive.  Sending is actually
quite a bit easier than receiving.

   Thanks!

   Nate....

Tim
From: Malcolm Pradhan <pradhan@camis.stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Date: 11 Nov 1992 05:08:16 GMT
Organization: Section of Medical Informatics, Stanford University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoskins-kfps-dynamic.stanford.edu
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X-XXDate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:09:40 GMT

In article <sdorner-101192120156@0.0.0.0> Steve Dorner,
sdorner@qualcomm.com writes:
>Rumor has it Apple has decided to take the price of MacTCP through the
>roof.  I'm told that an internal use license for corporations has gone
from
>$2500 *one-time* to $5000 *annually*.  Seemingly Apple would just as soon
>that no low-cost MacTCP software exist. Typical Apple policy--Free Bad,
>Expensive Good.

 I read in MacWeek today that the price for corporations is indeed going
up to $5000, the university site licensing price is going from $1500 to
$4000. Quite a jump! MacWeek also said they would be making it harder
for companies to distribute MacTCP as part of their product, users
may have to get it straight from Apple (ie. APDA wouldn't even sell it).
I can't remember whether these costs where still once off or annual.

 The reason seems to be the same reason for the System 7.1 upgrade cost -
the splitting of Apple into sections which must return a profit. The
Enterprise System Division are responsible for MacTCP so I guess they
have to recoup development costs, just like the System Software division.

In article <BxIuFu.Gu8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Don Gilbert,
gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu writes:
>If Apple drives up the price of MacTCP, instead of bringing it down,
>they will be shutting doors on users and developers.  Many of these
>people cannot afford higher prices for network access.

 The Mac has a great range of freeware/shareware TCP/IP programs, this
move can only make Macs seem less attractive to academic and WAN users.
It's not like the Mac is winning in the OS popularity contest. Strange
decision...

 Regards,
 Malcolm
--------------------------------------------
Malcolm Pradhan
Section on Medical Informatics
MSOB X-215, Stanford University, CA, 94305
pradhan@camis.stanford.edu  (415) 725-3398
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From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Beta Sites Needed - Macintosh Internet Business Pages
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:47:06 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


I have just completed the first release of Macintosh IBP, a Mac
client for the Internet Business Pages (IBP). IBP is a service
provided by Msen, Inc. that allows you to look up company information
over the Internet. The information includes address, phone and FAX
numbers, and an email address.

The Mac IBP client is really stable, but I would like some feedback
before I turn it over to thousands. This client requires that you
be connected to the Internet via MacTCP. These are the requirements:

	1) Must have MacTCP connection to the Internet.
	2) Must be able to ping "ibp.msen.com" from your Mac.
	3) Must be able to ftp "tbomb.whitl.msen.com" from your Mac.

I do not require any intensive debugging, I just want some feedback,
and want to make sure there is no glaring holes or bugs.

Those interested should send email to "ibp@ice.com". First 50 taken.

DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO "time@ice.com". Email to that address will
go to /dev/null and disqualify you for not reading directions.

-------

Businesses wishing to be added to the IBP database should FTP the
IBP registration form from Msen's FTP server. This electronic form
can be filled in and email-ed back to Msen. To get the form:

	ftp ftp.msen.com
	cd /pub/ibp
	get IBPFORM

If you do not have ftp access, please send email to "ibp-info@msen.com"
and put "SEND FORM" in the Subject line or in the letter body.

-------


tim endres - time@ice.com  -or- tbomb!time
ICE Engineering, Inc - 8840 Main St, Whitmore Lake, MI 48189
Phone (313) 449 8288 - FAX (313) 449-9208
USENET - a slow moving self parody... ph
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: brian@rahul.net (Brian Feinberg)
Subject: Sending Apple events to Microphone II from Frontier
Summary: Any examples of sending apple events to microphone
Keywords: frontier apple-events microphone script
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:01:36 GMT

Does anyone have any examples of sending Apple events to Microphone II
fron Frontier? I've tried reading their tech note, but I find that I'm 
not expert enough to make use of it.

------
Brian Feinberg
brian@rahul.com
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-- 
Brian Feinberg <brian@rahul.net>
From: lewis@nic.cerf.net (hN-Lewis Jr. High)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: pcroute
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:41:31 GMT
Organization: Lewis Jr. High School/San Diego City Schools

Is anyone out there in networld using a program that runs on an IBM called 
pcroute to route IP traffic between a LocalTalk network and a SLIP connection?

If so, could you please send me some e-mail and let me know if it is working
OK...

Thanks in advance...

Jeff Mealiffe, Network Administrator        jmealif@eis.calstate.edu
Lewis Junior High School
San Diego, CA

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------
This is not the view of San Diego City Schools, Lewis Jr.
High School, or any other affiliated organizations.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Pete Kelly <pfkelly@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Nuntius - Choosing Editor
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:59:08 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research/Northern Telecom
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:56:26 GMT

Subject: Nuntius - Choosing Editor
From: James E. Mitchell, James.Mitchell@CoE.drexel.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:11:28 GMT
In article <1992Nov12.131128.12804@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> James E.
Mitchell, James.Mitchell@CoE.drexel.edu writes:
>Can anyone tell me how to choose (VantageD as my editor
>in Nuntius? Ilve used the select-editor button, but it wonlt 
>allow me to see Vantage - though it does show MS word.
>

Select Vantage Opener instead.  I'm writing this reply using Vantage
called from within Nuntius 1.1.1d12.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: [QUESTION] Mac X windows 
From: cctr127@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:58:57 GMT
Reply-To: j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi,

Are there any Mac X-window packages that allow the Mac to emulate a
X-terminal instead of just starting specific applications? We have alot of
Xterminals around here, and I have a problem with the REXEC nature in
which other Xwindows packages are implemented on Macs... 

i.e. all I'm after is a package, which when started, will bring up a login
screen (a la XDM) - thus forcing the Mac user to log in before being able to
start up any applications.

 --

Cheers

Jason Haar, Network Consultant
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From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Macintosh RPC Available??
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:14:07 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


Someone suggested to me that Apple/APDA might offer an RPC
implementation for MacTCP.

Does anyone know of an RPC for MacTCP?


tim endres - time@ice.com

Register your company in the Internet Business Pages!
 ...send email to "ibp-info@msen.com" for details...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:12:54 GMT

dan@willamette.edu (Dan Revel) writes:

>And another thing: $59 for a single user copy - highway robbery!  I just
>don't see $59 worth of value there.

  Apple has a long history of Networking Robbery, IMHO. Take, for example, the
  Ether interface for the Quadra. To use it, you have to buy a small plastic
  co-ax connector for ~$150 from Apple. MacTCP should have been totally 
  anticipated with the announcement of MacOS 7.1 not being publicly available.

  APPLE COMPUTER : Your computers have challenged others for years because of
  the availability of system software and extensions. Charging $100 for MacOS
  will NOT put you ahead of Microsoft's DOS packages.

     (Standard Disclaimers)

      - Chris
--
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chris1@uiuc.edu      | whose matches are those?                 - Pet Shop Boys
Beckman Mac Support  | Keep the ball, I have a whole bucketful! - Gomez Addams
From: smwall@pica.army.mil (Steve Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Quadra Ether interface [Was Re: MacTCP license fees
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:10:19 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous

In article <trimble.721509174@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu>,
trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble) wrote:
> 
>   Apple has a long history of Networking Robbery, IMHO. Take, for example, the
>   Ether interface for the Quadra. To use it, you have to buy a small plastic
>   co-ax connector for ~$150 from Apple.

Personally, I thing Apple's use of a unique Apple AUI connector is a good
thing, if you subscribe to their 'do it yourself' philosophy for computing.
Imagine the trouble they'd have caused by using a standard AUI port, which
has a connector identical to the Quadra's on-board video.  Picture
thousands
of people plugging their network into their video socket, and their
monitors
into their network socket.  By using a special connector they're
complimenting
their 'Easy to Use' advantage with a 'Hard to Screw Up' feature. 

Steve Wall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Nathan Harper <harper2@oddjob.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Fetch/Gopher questions
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72472A5EC0128B1@quad7-mac.yerkes.uchicago.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:55:17 GMT
Organization: yerkes observatory
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:56:32 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to sort files by date instead of by name in
either of these programs. It seems that neither of them support this and
the only way I
program versions I
Thanks, any help would be appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 20:19:17 +01
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: pcroute
From: Andre' Pirard <pirard@vm1.ulg.ac.be>
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-XXMessage-ID: <A727E7AE7701180A@ampa.segi.ulg.ac.be>
X-XXDate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:51:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Universite' de Lie`ge (Belgium)

In article <3669@news.cerf.net> hN-Lewis Jr. High, lewis@nic.cerf.net
writes:
>Is anyone out there in networld using a program that runs on an IBM
called
>pcroute to route IP traffic between a LocalTalk network and a SLIP
connection?
>
>If so, could you please send me some e-mail and let me know if it is
working
>OK...

Not easy to install, but Yes, it works.
You HAVE to use a 16550 serial chip on the PC.
Also, I have found the interrupt driven version of the LocalTalk drivers
to work better than the polling one.

Two problems remain however, does anyone know an answer?

1) If a Mac crashes, it may use a different node-id after reboot and
PCROUTE will not update its ARP cache unless rebooted itself. There is no
reason why the Mac changes node and I am not sure if PCROUTE could use
the LT drivers in a different way.

2) When a Mac II sends data at a high rate over through
LocalTalk/Ethernet PCROUTE (only in that direction), it seems to loose
packets in such a systematical way that MacTCP retries slow down to a
virtual stop. E. g. a MacBinary upload gets very slow but Binhex is OK
and a Mac SE is OK.

-----
Andre Pirard          SEGI, Univ. de Li`ge         139.165 IP coordinator
B26 - Sart Tilman     B-4000 Li`ge 1 (Belgium)            +32 (41) 564932
pirard@vm1.ulg.ac.be  alias PIRARD@BLIULG11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:27:23 GMT

Don Gilbert (gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu) wrote:
:
: Good show, Steve.
: 
: 
: As one of the many developers of software that uses MacTCP, I think
: it would be a bad move on Apple's part to drive up the price of MacTCP.
: 
: There are now many people extolling the virtues of Macintoshes because
: of the high quality of Internet software available on Macs (see, e.g,
: recent letter to InfoWorld, reviews of various MacTCP-based programs
: in MacWeek, MacWorld, MacUser), which generally surpasses that available
: on other computing platforms.  Steve Dorner's Eudora is a prime example
: of software that will sell computers.  Easy access to e-mail and other
: Internet services is something that a Macintosh with MacTCP and a network
: connection can provide better than any other computer brand.
: 
: If Apple drives up the price of MacTCP, instead of bringing it down,
: they will be shutting doors on users and developers.  Many of these
: people cannot afford higher prices for network access.  

How difficult would it be to write a replacement for MacTCP and provide it for
free? I know MacTCP is a very complicated piece of software, but I also know
there are a lot of skillfull programmers out there who should be capable of
managing a project like this.

If someone out there would write a TCP driver compatible with MacTCP this would
serve two purposes:

1. Provide a free (or perhaps shareware) replacement.

2. Serve as a very strong statement against Apple pricing policies.

Anyone willing to give it a try? Perhaps a joint venture between more than
one programmer.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: MacTCP availability?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<iscjcw-101192091058@ajax.ucop.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:10:17 GMT

Jerry> == Jerry Wilcox <iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu> 

 Jerry> I don't have my current APDA catalog here at work, but I believe
 Jerry> the single-user license gets you a development kit which
 Jerry> includes MacTCP for about a hundred bucks.

VersaTerm sells for $90 from MacConnection, and includes MacTCP.  If you
just wanna USE it instead of developing for it, well, you make the call.
--
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<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: John T. Chapman <jtc1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Fetch/Gopher questions
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19: 51:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jtc1@cornell.edu
Organization: Office of Computing and Statistical Consulting
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:42:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.015632.20660@midway.uchicago.edu> Nathan Harper,
harper2@oddjob.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone know of a way to sort files by date instead of by name in
>either of these programs. It seems that neither of them support this and

Well, I wrote Fetch author Jim Matthews a while back and he said he was 
considering sort options like that for the next version, but that they 
couldn't make it into v. 2.1 without a major piece of reworked code. 
Assuming he's not gotten side-tracked, sorting by date might make make an 
appearance shortly...

Sorry, but have no clue about Gopher or TurboGopher...

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From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Keywords: ARA Powerbooks NOT Get a clue Apple
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:59:18 GMT
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.) writes:

>Well, I was just reading MacWeek; I found something very
>disappointing.  Apple has, very quietly, stopped bundling ARA with the
>Powerbooks.  As I have an order in for a PB160, this was very
>disturbing.

As a matter of fact, I ordered and received 4 PB 160's fully expecting to
get ARA with them, one of the many reasons for ordering the powerbooks.

I looked in every box and piece of packaging.  No luck.  And then I read
MacWeek.

Now I am supposed to order ARA @$169/copy when I figured it into the
price of the machines.  Not such a good deal after all.


					GTr
					
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm