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From: daryll@daryllf.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Daryll France)
Subject: Re: Hockey demographics in Canada
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:59:44 GMT

I wouldn't be so quick to blame Phil Esposito personally.  Ottawa has also invited her to camp as well.
Both of the expansion teams will try anything at this point for exposure.
-- 
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From: steve@cs.hw.ac.uk (Steven Salvini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,uk.misc
Subject: Re: History of British (Ice!) Hockey
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:40:34 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland


In article <92Sep03.161705.24494@acs.ucalgary.ca> you write:
>In article <1992Sep3.131827.3907@cs.hw.ac.uk> steve@cs.hw.ac.uk (Steve Salvini) writes:
>>
>>
>>"BRITISH ICE HOCKEY'S FINEST HOUR" :-)
>>
>>1936 - Feb 15th - at Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany, GB draw 0-0 with
>>USA (outdoor) after three periods of overtime.  Canada then beat USA
>>thus GB become first team to win the 'Triple Crown' - the World
>>Championship, the European Championship & the Winter Olympics Gold -
>>"British Ice Hockey's Finest Hour" :-)   Britain play under the 'shrewd
>>but controversial guidance of BIHA secretary, John F. 'Bunny' Ahearne.
>>
>
>Not to be picky, but this British team, in addition to other
>previous teams no doubt, consisted primarily of Canadians who
>at the time had claim to British citizenship also. I'm not sure,
>but I think the players decisions to play for Britain followed
>some argument with the Canadian hockey association.
>
>Kevin Griffith

Sure, I hope I've mentioned later in my article when the GB team
started to play with only British born & bred &* trained players!
The 'smiley' was not there unintentionally!!!

Last season I thought that a sensible balance has finally been reached
where the GB team consists mainly of REAL British players plus some
(20%?) who have learned their hockey abroad but had been here so long
they now have GB passports (about 7 years).

Well, that was last season - now the BIHA have dropped the time a
player must play/live in the UK to qualify as "British" (5 years) and I
dread to think how many Canadians will be eligible for this year's
World Championships :-(   What is worse is that the BIHA are just
following the IIHF rules (which also means they can include any British
passport holder, no matter where he plays hos hockey) - I just hope we
don't end up like Italy where I think there were only 2 or 3 native
Italians in their WC team - not much fun for the real British
players... :-( :-( :-(

I find this latest development particulrly depressing as the GB junior
teams are presently going from strength to strength but where will these
kids go when they become seniors only to find the GB team full of second-
and third- rate Canadians?

Thanks for your comments.

Steve.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dwalter@student.UVic.CA (Dan  Walter)
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:02:07 GMT

>Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
>gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
>Go Habs!!!

Gee Gerald, that is not true.  I seem to remember once or twice when the old
Sask. River is actually flowing.  What I want to know is where do all those
rusted out cars on the banks come from?

-- 
"It doesn't provide you with any equations which you didn't have before."

	  - P.A.M. Dirac, referring to the complementarity principle.
From: corey@cayman.com (corey sohmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: New York Rangers mailing list
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:58:31 GMT
Organization: cayman systems
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1b2

does anybody know who the contact for the rangers is?
if so could you please respond!
thank you
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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:27:17 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.hal.com
In-reply-to: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)

In article <1992Aug27.115946.21279@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@finabo (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>-In LOS ANGELES (LA Forum), the Lakers were the toast of the town and won
>five champonships in the 1980s. The Kings merely subsisted until Gretzky came
>around. Today, both teams sell out all their home game. The Lakers win, if
>only because they can accomodate more fans.

In the Bay Area, the Sharks and the Warriors seem to be running about
even, currently.  There are two mitigating (and I think mutually
offsetting) circumstances:

o The Warriors have made the playoffs the last several years, while the
  Sharks probably won't for a while
o The Sharks are a novelty item

In general, when Bay Area teams do poorly, they draw poorly.  Even the
mighty Oakland A's drew lousy when they were playing lousy.  How long
will San Jose fans tolerate a loser before they start losing interest?
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens News Conference 9/3
Keywords: Barrasso, Tippet, but no coach
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:26:12 GMT

The Pens held a press conference at noon.  According to KDKA Radio:

The signing of Tom Barrasso was announced.  GM Craig Patrick said that 
the contract information broken by the media last night was incorrect.  The
correct info: it's a 5 year deal worth 6.5 million.  (That is in line with
the first reports on Tommy's contract, a multi-year deal worth 1.3 million per
year.)

The signing of Dave Tippett was announced.  The radio report gave no contract 
terms.

The Pens still don't have a head coach.  When pressed about Eddie Johnston,
all Patrick would say is that he "has options to explore".

(Considering that training camp opens Sept. 11th, and the Pens are not only
missing a head coach but a key assistant coach, he better do some damn fast
exploring.)

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu



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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens news 9/4
Keywords: Samuelsson, Mullen, ticket availability, local boy
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:34:51 GMT

This has been taken from today's Greensburg Tribune-Review

*Ulf Samuelsson had arthroscopic knee surgery August 28th to repair damage
done by chronic tendonitis.  He is expected to be sidelined for about 4
weeks.

*Joey Mullen has finally been cleared to resume skating, and has been taking
light skates on his own.  He hasn't skated since having surgery to repair
damage incurred when he collided with Kris King of the Rangers during the 
second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs.  He has not been cleared to 
participate in training camp.  GM Craig Patrick said he is still negotiating
with free agent Mullen, and would like to sign him to a new contract. 

*The Pens training camp opens Sept. 12, with the team's annual camp tournament
scheduled to be played Sunday, Tuesday and Wednesday at the Civic Arena.  No
word on whether the tourny is open to the public.  (It was last year, so 
there's a good chance it will be again.)

*Tickets for the Pens 2 home pre-season games (Detroit-Sept 26th, Toronto-Oct
3rd) are now on sale to the general public.

*Single game tickets for all 41 regular season home games will go on sale to
the public Sept. 15th at all Choice Seat locations and at the Civic Arena 
Gate 1 ticket office starting at 10:00 am.

There will be a limit of 4 tickets per game and all available seats will be 
sold on a first come-first serve basis.

Also, there are still partial (31 games) season ticket plans still available
for sale.  Please contact the Pens (412-642-1800) for more information.

*The Pens have invited free agent Jack Williams to training camp.  Williams
is a local boy, from Greensburg PA (about 30 miles east of PGH).  Williams, 
a 6-0, 183 lbs. 20 year old right wing, scored 40 goals and had 38 assists
in 53 games for Kitchener of the OHL last season.

*The Pens are holding a contest.  Fans are asked to chose a name for the 
Pens new mascot (I think "Dork" is appropriate).  A winner will be chosen
prior to the start of the second half of the season.  Those interested in
naming the stupid thing can send their entries to:

Pittsburgh Penguins Mascot Contest
Civic Arena, Gate 9
Pittsburgh, PA 15219-3516

I'm sure the Pens bashers on this net can think of a lot of names to call
the mascot...:-)  That's why I posted the address.

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:00:22 GMT

In article 27548@cs.rochester.edu, hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel) writes:
>
>
>I'm not sure that this is a great deal for hockey fans that already get
>good coverage. It might be good for places like Tampa or SanJose that
>don't have decent coverage. Last year I had great viewing options.
>SportsChannel NY gave me NYI, NJ and MSG gave me the Rangers. We also
>get HNIC. SOme occasional late games from from SC Chicago and their
>wonderful anchor at his wonderful set. A choice of over 10 games a week
>and almost every night! wife? child? thesis? my job....? huh? what?
>But I only play two nights a week.
>

(sarcasm on, for the humor impaired)
Oh, super, you're in the home of the #1 TV market in America and you
can get any game you want at your beck and call. Clearly you don't 
need ESPN. Besides, you've got a 3 in 24 chance of seeing a team in
the Stanley Cup anyway.
(sarcasm off)

It's really for the rest of us, even here in Chicago, that ESPN's
contract will be a godsend. Maybe even a few Hawks home games, if
Dollar Bill can keep his hand off the blackout remote.

>I could care less if X million homes in Houston, Miami or Atlanta
>now have access to hockey......the sport ain't gonna make it done south!
>How many Super Speedways are there in CanadaLand...right. Its a religion
>down south...Petty is a diety, the names are Foyt, Earnhardt and Waltrip.
>Not Igor, Ivan and Mario. Visit Alabama or Texas and tell me if hockey'
>is going to make it there...or Arkansas or Tennessee or Georgia or
>South Carolina or Arizona...hey gary!..got any ice there?
>

Don't knock it until you try it. There are a number of closet hockey
fans "Down South", partner, and it had been a number of years since
the Altanta Flames left town. If the NHL does it right, and early 
indications say they may be doing just that, the South may be a 
goldmine of viewers who don't want to watch basketball in the winter.

>Orgeon? Washington? Idaho? The NHL could get better viewing numbers
>in Europe on tape delay. Do people in Connecticut even watch ESPN?
>

Sarcasm is wearing thin. Must be ...

>.....now onto my second cup of coffee

I rest my case.

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Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:13:12 -0400 
From: Richard Pisani <rp1m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BBoard getting boring

With only 41 days left, I can understand that the energy about hockey
and the players seems to slack off a bit. But, with 41 days left, I can
also feel the excitement about a new season. New players, new contracts,
and the road to the Stanley Cup give us something to look forward to.
But more importantly, we can expect to hear and comment about what is
behind the scenes of hockey. I'm talking about the controversial issues
which surround this sport and the slamming of players. Who will be the
new candidate for slamming this year? Could it be the under paid and
hard working Erik Lindros? And what controversial issues will be
discussed? We could always talk about Paul Coffey and his bow legs. And
while I am speaking of Paul Coffey and controversy, who better to lead
us in a stimulating discussion of controversy then the "Never Silent"
queen on controversy, Mom (e.g. St. Anna). Mom, come back to us, we need
you.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 2 New Rules ???
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:20:07 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <24106@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick Mckinney) writes:
>I may be asking this question prematurely, but has anyone heard the
>rumor that two new rules were being introduced into the NHL...
>
>1.  Anyone instigating a fight now receives an immediate game misconduct...
It's not a rumor,it's the rule now.
>
>2.  Helmets are now optional (No longer mandatory)...

Yup. According to the Bruins Asst GM Mike 'I'm the Biggest Dope' Milbury
who is being interviewed on SportsRadio 590 in Boston, the helmetless
option and the fighting crackdown was...,dig this, the ADVERTISERS' idea.
Interesting to see how the big TV(ABC-ESPN) execs and major national
advertisers can influence the league. I guess money really talks..:-)

-Mark
Can't wait for NBA-like 2 1/2 minute TV timeouts to be introduced to
NHL by ABC.
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN-it's about time
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

arbogastw@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>
>Not meaning to be obnoxious, *that* national tv contract couldn't pay
>the bills much less match the financial boon that *this* national tv
>contract offers.

The Molstar contract for Canada paid each of 22 NHL teams US$1 Million
per year (yes, in US$ ... that's a lot of Molson Golden!).  The ESPN
deal pays US$16 Million divided among 24 teams, or US$666,666.67 ...

However, the exposure cannot be measured in dollars and Warren would
be right there ... consider not only ticket sales in the 16 American
cities but also the extra neutral sites, and on top of that souvenirs.
The NHL was idiotic once already in hoping for a financial bonanaza
from the SCA contract that went nowhere ... they've learned that the
national TV contract money isn't worth much more than meal money for
the season's road trips.

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		w/Canada's health care system;
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			only Americans seem to! - anon.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:35 GMT

In article <4921@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
> Contrast this to a 70's(?) goon like Steve Durbano, who was such a wild
> man, he was barred from several leagues, if I recall correctly.  About the
> only time he came on the ice and didn't get a fighting penalty, it was
> because he did some thing more dastardly first.

Further info:  after stints in the NHL, WHA (in the goonier days) and
assorted other leagues, Durbano was arrested carrying a lot of cocaine
after disembarking from a flight from Columbia.  He did (is doing?) major
time in a penitentiary for being a mule.

-- 
Mike Godfrey			      "All we like sheep, all we like sheep,
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT		      "All we like sheep, all we like sheep."
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   -- Handel's `Messiah'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Flying Cavallini's WAS Hockey Poll
From: S900303@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:10:29 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

1.  Team to win the Stanley Cup........Ottawa Senators
2.  I think the helmet rule is a crock of shit.  The league can't decide
    whether they want helmets or not.  The first person that gets hurt,
    that could have been avoided by wearing a helmet, there is going to
    be a big hullabaloo.  I think the league should keep the helmet rule.
3.  The 2nd best player in hockey.......Well it's a tossup, I couldn't
    decide whether to pick Paul or Gino Cavallini.Paul just has the
    uncanny ability to trip over his own feet while skating to try to
    catch up with a forward.  Gino can miss the net from 5 feet but he
    sure puts a hell of a black mark on the boards.
4.Sure,  the Rangers will win sometime in the next century.
 
 
 
I do not take the following article seriously.
 
Murf
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: YOU SILLY FOOLS
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.022256.29712@news.nd.edu> dnewell@milton.helios.nd.edu
(devin newell) writes:
>Boo Hiss to all the silly fools who applauded the new diving rule.
>Please screw on your heads and follow me if you can.
>
>1.  Under the old rules, if a ref sees a player take a dive and he knows
>    it is a dive, he doesn't call a penalty and the only thing that happens
>    is that the player how took the dive also took himself out of the play.
>    This is creates an advantage for the 'other' team. No harm done.
>
>2.  If a player takes a dive and the ref didn't see that it was a dive (I know
>    it's hard to believe but this does happen) the referee thinks it's
>    a penalty and will call it as such.
>
>
>The new rule never affects the second case which is what most of us get
>upset about to begin with.  I admit it sure sounds cool.  Taking a dive is
>no longer legal and is punishable by perpetual bus rides through the minor
>leagues.  But in effect people, the only reason for this rule is because
>it sounds good on paper and it satisfied some cry babies of the NHL elite
owners.
>
This does affect both! The player will not be so quick to attempt the dive
because if the referee does see the dive, he's gone for two minutes.  So there
should be fewer players attempting to fool the referee.  They've got about a
50/50 chance of getting away with it.  Some players may feel that two minutes
is worth it.

todd

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From: mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         )
Subject: Liking Fighting.  
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:22:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.222625.11625@pdnfido.fidonet.org> jono@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Jon Oransky) writes:
>
>ok, the following is taken directly from the Wednesday Newsday (a paper in LI)
>
>                              Behavior Modification
>                        Rules changes approved by the NHL at its Board of
>                        Governors metting yesterday.
>
>

....

>stupid, it will also decrease the amount of people at hockey games, if in fact
Who wants a bunch of beer-spilling thug-sympathizers at a game anyway?  Those
people who's only remarks about the game are "beat his fucking head in!" are
not really going to be missed.  There are plenty of people to replace them. 
The statement that attendance will fall off is anecdotal, and I expect false.

 
>because of the new rule there are less fights.  i know a lot of people who just
>like hockey cause of the fighting. Not me, i like it cause of the action, hard
They are the sorry ones who live in a shit-hockey-town with no good players
to appreciate.  We from Pittsburgh grow weary of seeing Mario, Jaromir, et al
being forced to play ski tow, as the entire defensive unit of the opponents
hook onto them with their sticks and ride them the whole game.

Watch Lacrosse if you want to see idiotic, talentless fools beating each
other.  Major Indoor Lacrosse is only a hair better than boxing, a thoroughly
despicable sport.



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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Euro Cup '92
Summary: Set-up decided
Keywords: Europe
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:27:28 GMT

The set-up for this year's Euro Cup has been decided. Loads of new
countries means that there will be no less than 26 teams competing.

QUALIFICATION ROUND

Group A (plays in Bulgaria): HK Saga Riga (Latvia), Ferencvaros (Hungary),
Levski Spartak (Bulgaria), Crvena Z. Beograd (Yugoslavia).

Group B (Czechoslovakia): Dukla Trencin (Czechosl.), HK Jesenice (Slovenia),
HK Zagreb (Croatia).

Group C (Denmark): Jokerit (Finland), Herning (Denmark), Kreenholm Tallinn
(Estonia).

Group D (Austria): EC BIC VSV Vill. (Austria -- fond of abbrevations, or
what? :), Pro Badge Utrecht (The Netherlands), Dynamo Minsk (Byelorussia).

Group E (UK): Valerengen (Norway), Steua Bukarest (Romania), Durham Wasps
(UK), Txuri Urdin (Spain).

Group F (Poland): Sokol Kiev (Ukraine), Onin Oswiecim (Poland), Energ. El
Vilnius (Lithuania).

SEMIFINAL ROUND

Group G (France): Malmo (Sweden), Rouen (France), winner of group A,
winner F.

Group H (Italy): Dusseldorf (Germany), Milan Devils (Italy), winner B,
winner E.

Group J (Finland): Dynamo Moscow (Russia), SC Bern (Switzerland), winner C,
winner D.

The two best from each semifinal round will then proceed to the finals.
If it's like last year, they will be divided into two groups, and the
two winners will then play the final.

--
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ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB			Voice: +46 8 727 3893
"Alvsj"o, Sweden			Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
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From: mch0@harvey.gte.com (Michael Hatz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: FAQ Request OOPS
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:01:40 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

Strange, my mailer ate my line requesting a copy of the most recent FAQ.
Please send it to me here or at hatzm%venus.dnet@gte.com

Thanks
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From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: Cleveland Lumberjack News/My final goodbyes?
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:37:03 GMT

You couldn't have chosen a better school.  :)

As far as telnet, etc. access goes, you'd have a hard time finding more.
A lot of people on the various newsgroups (especially football/basketball, from
what I've seen) are from Ann Arbor.  Have a good four years!

Steve.
U-M Physics '92

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