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From: jayasim@cis.ohio-state.edu (D Jayasimha)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Shruthi - A Reply
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:16:50 -0500
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In article <1993Jan22.205911.6609@microsoft.com> umeshmo@microsoft.com (Umesh Mokate) writes:
>I think this is totally incorrect information. Shruti is NOT the scale
>in which one sings though many common people in Carnatic music hold this
>opinion (based on my experience). "shruyate iti shruti" i.e. notes in an 
>octave that could be distinguished from each other. It is said that there 
>are 22 shrutis in an octave. I am sure knowledgable people like Dr. Gangolli

While the original post by Satish is factually correct,the technical 
definition of "shruti" is how you define it.  In Carnatic music, 
shruti has an "overloaded" usage both to indicate the base (middle
octave) Sa and to mean the smallest discernible difference in frequency 
ratios to make two distinct musical notes.  Of course, there are a number 
of theories re: the number of shrutis in an octave- Sarangadeva and 
Bharata speak of 22 shrutis- others hold that number to be 16, and still 
others think that number to be infinity (much as points on the real line).
Carnatic musicians also use the terms "kattai" (Tamil) and "mane"
(Kannada- the e is pronounced the way as in the name, Kale) to indicate
the middle octave Sa in which one performs.

I agree that it would be best to keep this distinction in mind through
the use of separate words- I am guilty of blurring this distinction in
the first place when I mentioned about the "sruti" of flutes in an
earlier posting.

jayasimha
From: pc7y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Tuning of tanpura (tambura?)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:25:39 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Netters,

I have a question re. the tuning of a tanpura in Carnatic
and Hindusthani styles of music. I know that in the Carnatic
tradition, a tanpura is tuned to adhara shadja, panchama (3/2
the frequency of the adhara shadja) and two tara shadjas.

	However, I understand that in the Hindusthani style,
the tuning is two adhara shadjas, the LOWER panchama (i.e,
3/4 the frequency of the adhara shadja) and then the
lower shadja (also called kharaj). 
	
	Is this correct? If not, does anyone know the correct
tuning sequence?

			Satish Ramakrishna
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Subject: north indian violin concert at Hartford
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Wonko, the sane)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:28:02 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

	The Charter Oak Cultural Centre is sponsoring a North Indian 
(Hindustani) concert

	SRIRAM PARASURAM - Violin
	RATNAKAR NAWATHE - Tabla

on Sunday, 24th. Jan. at 3:00 P.M. at Charter Oak Cultural Center,
21, Charter oak Ave; Hartford , CT.

This is the first of a 3 part "Rug Concert Series", which 
is an annual world music event in Connecticut.
	
Admisssion is $5 general and $3 for students. Call box Office at
                           203 249 1207 or
                           203 344 7944
for more information.
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Kathak Dance troupe performing in NA
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:58:40 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc., based in Minneapolis, MN, presents "That Tremendous
Word - LOVE", a thematic presentation of various aspects of love. Based on
Kathak, the classical storytelling dance style of North India, choreographer
Rita Mustaphi, expresses the emotion of love and its manifestations in
creation, preservation and destruction. The stories are chosen from the
centuries old rich mosaic of epics, mythology and folklore of India.

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc. is fortunate to have the talents of visiting artists
from India, who will be performing in both dance and music. They are -
Santosh Kumar, a well known choreographer/dancer whose choreography will
also be presented in these shows; Rajeev Chakrabarty, an accomplished Sarod
artist and singer, Kousic Sen, a wizard in the Indian Drums - Tabla, and
vocalist Debasis Sarkar.

"That Tremendous Word - Love" will be presented in colorful traditional
costumes from India.

In the Kathak style of Indian Classical dance, the storyteller uses dance,
music, poetry and mime along with visual arts of painting and sculpture
which makes Kathak dance a well rounded experience of Indian arts.

This production of "LOVE" will be dramatically expressed over a cycle of life,
from unhurried infancy, through childhood, the mischievous youth, the 
responsible adulthood and the twilight years of humans. Love will be used as 
a common thread to tie the stages of life. The rich language of gestures
and mime in Kathak style of Indian classical dance will be used to interpret
the mood created by the melody. There will be narrative elements to help
the audience understand better.

If you would like to organize a performance of the same in September - 
November 1993, in your area, please contact :

Rita Mitra Mustaphi
Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
5444 Orchard Ave. N.
Crystal, MN, 55429

Ph # : (612)537-8291

*****

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc. is a non-profit organization of Asian Indians in
Minnesota, established to promote educational, cultural and artistic needs
of the community, through the creation, presentation and sponsorship of
artistic, cultural and educational endeavors. The purpose of Nritya Jyoti
is to present, promote and train new talents in Indian performing arts
and thus encourage creativity in the field of Indian dance.

*****
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From: subramas@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Suresh  Subramanian)
Subject: test
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:47:52 EST


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From: kgh@ulysses.att.com (Krishna G. Hegde[jgr])
Subject: House Concert in NJ : Sitar recital by Jamaluddin Bharatiya
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:40:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ, USA



         
                               A HOUSE CONCERT

                                Sitar Recital  

                                      by  

                            JAMALUDDIN BHARATIYA

                                    with

                            Khadir Khan on Tabla


                         on Saturday February 6,1993, 7.00 pm
             
                         at the residence of Renu and Praful Shah 
                                             5 Dov Place
                                             Kendall Park, New Jersey

                            Contribution:   $12


        Jamaluddin Bharataiya(born 1932) hails from a family of musicians. 
        For the first few years he studied vocal music with Ustad Amir Khan.
        Later he studied with Pandit Ravi Shankar for over ten years.  He has 
        accompanied Ravi Shankar in the past.  For the past several years, 
        Jamaluddin Bharatiya has been living in Amsterdam where he has 
        established Tritantric Kalakendra, school of Indian Music.  He has  
        performed extensively in India, Europe and USA.


        FOR INFORMATION:     908-821-8434   
                             908-422-4787



        DIRECTIONS: From NJTP to exit 9, to Rte 18 North, to Rte 1 South.
        After about 8-9 miles on Rt 1 South, make right on Sand Hill Road 
        (traffic light for Major Road and Sand Hill Road exit).  Stay on 
        left on the fork and after about 1.3 miles, make left on Dov Place.
        House in on right.  On Sand Hil Road, if you hit a light, you missed
        Dov Place.
From: sivaras@research.CS.ORST.EDU (Sivaramapuram Subramanyam Kris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: "Kurai ondrum illai":rAgam identification (OOps)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:13:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
Distribution: world
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I don't remember the complete lyrics. I do remember the starting portions of this song. Correct me if the lyrics are wrong.

< raagam sivaranjani >

kurai ondrum illai maraimoorthy kannA
kurai ondrum illai maraimoorthy kannA
kurai ondrum illai kannA
kurai ondrum illai govindA

vendiyathai thandhida venkatesan endrirukka
vendiyathu verillai maraimoorthy kannA
manivannA malayappA govindA govindA

kurai....

<raagam kaapi>

Thirayin pin nirkindrAi kannA
Thirayin pin nirkindrAi kannA
unnai maraiyorum gnAniyar matrume kAnnbAr
enrAlum kurai yedhum emakkillai kannA
enrAlum kurai yedhum emakkillai kannA
kundrin mael kallAgi nirkindra azhagA
kundrin mael kallAgi nirkindra varadA
kurai ondrum illai maraimoorthy kannA
kurai ondrum illai maraimoorthy kannA
manivannA malayappA govindA govindA

<raagam sindhubhairavi >

kallile pirandhu ...... I do not remember properly after this.

< whoever knows the bits and pieces can fill in the blanks >

yArum ariyAdha malayappA
yArum ariyAdha malayappA
nAllum ... vannangidum karunaikadalanro
.... aedhu kurai enakku
.... aedhu kurai enakku
.......     maraimoorthy kannA 
.......     maraimoorthy kannA
manivannA malayappA govindA govindA

govindA govindA govindA govindA ......

<end>
 
Krishna
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From: smahaja@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Request for INFO regarding Tyagaraja Aradhana
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:42:56 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services



Hello, I am Sathish Rao doing my masters at U'sity Of Toledo
I am new here and would like to know if there are any organisations
in or around Toledo who conduct music programs and functions.

I had also heard of the Cleveland music festival and would like to
get more details about the same. I do not know ifthe same organisation
conducts the TYAGARAJA ARADHANA. 

Hence, I would be very thankful if somebody can give me these details
and the addresses or Ph. Nos of the concerned people.

Thank You.
                                              SATHISH RAO
                                              2245, University Hills Blvd.
                                              Apt. 206
                                              TOLEDO, OHIO 43606
                        
                                              Ph. No. (419) 536-3174
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: sitar teacher in ct?
From: lhorzepa@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:32:08 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

does anyone know of a sitar teacher in or near middletown, ct? hartford or new
haven areas perhaps? i have an instrument and want to learn to play it. if you  
know of a teacher in this area or someone who i could contact who might know of 
someone, please email me:
           lhorzepa@eagle.wesleyan.edu
thank you.
-lisa
From: smahaja@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Shruti - A Reply
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:05:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1993Jan24.140519.1264
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

From: umeshmo@microsoft.com (Umesh Mokate)
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:59:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Writes
i think this is totally incorrect information. Shruti is NOT the scale
in which one sings though many common people in Carnatic music hold this
opinion (based on my experience). "shruyate iti shruti" i.e. notes in an 
octave that could be distinguished from each other. It is said that there 
are 22 shrutis in an octave. I am sure knowledgable people like Dr. Gangolli
and others will comment on this. 

REply:

I think that it is it is not logical of any person to make a statement
such as "totally incorrect information" referring to my reply regarding the
sruthi,especially when the person has had a background of Sanskrit.
Basically, I do agree with our friend Mr. Umesh in saying that sruthi 
is defined as "Shruyate yiti shruti".It means that any distinguishable 
sound lying in the whole range of audible frequency is termed as sruthi.
It is also true that major authoritative books onb music such as 
Sangeetha Ratnakara etc., state that there are 22 srutis.

The vedas too are known as shruti. This is because it is beleived that
the vedas were given to man by sound and not by any written matter.
Words become anologous tom many things based on the context.Also in no
way was I trying to give a technical definition of SRUTHI.Hence,I do not
see in what way it becomes incorrect to call the Adhara Shadjam (or the
lower Shadjam in the middle octave) , which we use as the base for tuning
our instruments and to base our singing as the sruthi.Obviously when a
person is asking for the sruthi of a person,he is not referring it to
the 22 srutis or to the tecnical definition of sruti or etc., etc..
Hence, it is irrelevant to speak of those in this context.It may only be
given as an additional information.Also, whatever information I had
provided in my earlier letter was based on my own experiance as a practical 
student of music and not from any texts.

I think this is where we make a mistake. When a layman just interested
in classical music comes to us and asks us a question, we like to make it 
look very complicated and try to give him all the technical details
the very first time. As a result he gets so confused and would never
go further, thinking it is too advanced for him. The technical details 
have to be simplified and given to the layman in form acceptable by him.
It also does not mean that the facts have to be diluted. This is the main
reason for people shying away from Indian Classical music.Probably when
the person gets more involved in this music, he will be able to take in the
technical complexities.

Thank you,

SATHISH
From: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com (Kris Balasubramanian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical,srini@engin.umich.edu
Subject: Re: Indu Ennage ...
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:37:39 GMT
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Hi,
	Can you give the discography of these renderings. I will appreciate it.
Better yet, if you  can tell me where I can get the cassettes or CDs.

Thank you

kris B

In article @engin.umich.edu, srini@engin.umich.edu (Srinivasan Pichumani) writes:
>In article <1993Jan14.154404.23468@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> appa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ravi.ramaswamy) writes:
>>	On a related topic, Ramalinga Swamy (Vallalar) also has a number of
>>	compositions to his credit; hardly anybody sings any of them. 
>
>Ravi, I am not sure I would call these compositions. Many people have set these
>verses to music and probably Vallalar himself recited some of these musically. 
>
>In any case, his outpourings belong to the Saivite Canon proper -- which is
>considered closed with his Tiruarutpa (the clarion call of his is 
>"arutperunjothi taniperunkarunai" -- I don't know the exact implication of this phrase)
>
>Some of his contemporaries like Arumuga Navalar of Jaffna objected to his
>work being considered as Saivite canon but this view has come to stay.
>In Vadalur, there is still a "citta jnana sabhai" which meets to this day
>to study/be inspired by his verses.
>
>>	I have heard only only song "Then Ana Innikum Thiruvarul Kadale
>>	Velliya Amuthe Sivame" in Kalyani by DKJ. Ramalinga Swamy was
>>	Saivite Saint. The slokam "Petra Thai Thanai Magha Maranthalum ..
>>	... Namasiva Yetrai Nan Maravane" sung by M.S. in Nadanamakriya 
>>	is also an excerpt from Ramalinga Swamy's Thiru Arutpa.
>
>There are a couple of other wonderful renditions. One of the Sulamangalam
>sisters (the better one -- I think her name is Rajalakshmi) has rendered
>"orumaiyuDan ninadu tirumalaraDi ninaikindra uttamardam uRavu vEndum"
>(tr: I desire the relationship with other great souls who think of
>Your feet constantly) in viruttam style, i.e without rhythm accompaniment,
>extremely well -- rAga bilahari.
>
>MSS has sung "vAnattin mIdu mayil Ada kandEn" in MAnd a long while ago.
>This is also Vallalar's verse. "Petra tAi thanai" is of course a classic.
>The kriti she sings "ArAr AsaipadAr" following this viruttam is very
>stirring too.
>
>--Srini.
From: sharma@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Srivatsa Madhusudhan Sharma -Aravas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: "Kurai ondrum illai"
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:23:24 GMT
Organization: LRSM, University of Pennsylvania

Hi,
	Could someone please post the meaning or a loose translation
 of the above song. It is really frustrating to have heard the song
 and not understand it ( I have a limited knowledge of Tamil).

 Thanks to Srinivasan for posting the song on the net.

-Srivatsa M. Sharma.


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From: smahaja@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Request for info regarding Tyagaraja Aradhana
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:42:00 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services



Hello, I am Sathish Rao doing my masters at U'sity Of Toledo
I am new here and would like to know if there are any organisations
in or around Toledo who conduct music programs and functions.

I had also heard of the Cleveland music festival and would like to
get more details about the same. I do not know ifthe same organisation
conducts the TYAGARAJA ARADHANA. 

Hence, I would be very thankful if somebody can give me these details
and the addresses or Ph. Nos of the concerned people.

Thank You.
                                              SATHISH RAO
                                              2245, University Hills Blvd.
                                              Apt. 206
                                              TOLEDO, OHIO 43606
                        
                                              Ph. No. (419) 536-3174
From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: "Kurai ondrum illai" : rAgam identification
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:29:49 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hai,
	I happened to see the lyrics of "Kurai ondrum illai"
on the net. What is the rAgam of the song?

Thanks,
Murali Seetharaman,
Utah State Uty,
Logan
sl9z5@cc.usu.edu

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From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Pandit Birju Maharaj touring North America
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:57:18 GMT


Pandit Birju Maharaj along with his company will be touring North America
for the months of June and July, 1993. If you would like to organise a
performance, workshops, lecture-demonstrations and/or master classes
of Kathak Dance, Tabla, and vocal music, please contact :

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
c/o Rita Mitra Mustaphi
5444 Orchard Avenue No.
Crystal, MN, 55429

Ph # : (612)537-8291

			Pandit Birju Maharaj
			****** ***** *******

Pandit Birju Maharaj is the recipient of "Padma Vibhushan" - the highest
Presidential Award for achievements. He is a master choreographer, renowned
composer, vocalist and percussionist. He represents the seventh generation
of hereditary storytelling dancers. He was the invited choregrapher at the
American Dance Festival in 1991.

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc., Crystal, MN, will arrange for a grand tour of
the dance master along with his company of dancers and musicians.

----

I'm posting this on behalf of Mrs. Rita Mustaphi, who doesn't have access to
the Internet. Please contact her directly if you're interested in getting any
further information or in organizing performances, lectures or workshops ...


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From: p0s4883@zeus.tamu.edu (SUNDARARAJAN, PADMANABHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Requesting list of Carnatic CDs
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:40 CST
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi,

Some one posted a list of CDs for Carnatic music. The list seemed 
exhaustive including places where these CDs can be purchased. I
forgot to save the listing. Can some one be kind enough to repost 
it in the net or email to my account.

Thanks in advance

S. Padmanabhan
From: mccomt@aix.rpi.edu (Todd Michel McComb)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: lyrics request
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:37:27 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

Could someone post the lyrics to Dikshitar's Sri Subrahmanyo, with a
translation?  Thanks.

T. M. McComb
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From: seshrama@usthk.ust.hk
Subject: Introducing Vrindaban, HK - concert organizers, please read!
Organization: The Hong Kong University of Science & Technology (HKUST)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:30:31 GMT

Vrindaban, Academy of Indian Classical Music and Dance, was inaugurated in Hong
Kong, on October 10, 1992 with a flute recital by Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia
at the Concert Hall in the Hong Kong Cultural Centre. Over 700 attended.  The
Academy has been founded by Dr. Avisha Gopalkrishnan, a senior sitar student of
Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, as a chapter of Panditji's gurukul project in
Bombay.  The primary objective is to spread interest in Indian classical music
and dance in Hong Kong, while raising funds for Pandit Chaurasia's gurukul
project.  The academy conducts classes in sitar, Bharatanatyam and Kuchipudi
currently.  Flute and tabla lessons will commence in February.  Since the
inauguration, Vrindaban has co-organized "An evening with Indian dance styles"
concert by Siri Srinath (Bharatanatyam and Kuchipudi) and Chetana Jalan and her 
disciples (Kathak) (with the HK Academy of Performing Arts), and a 
Bharatanatyam recital by Ramya Harishankar.  Pandit Shivkumar Sharma and Ustad
Zakir Hussain will be performing at the Cultural Centre on January 30.

Vrindaban has made a small but impressive start towards its ambitious goals
which include setting up an audio-visual library of music and dance, publishing
a newsletter, and setting up scholarships for students from Hong Kong to visit
India to learn from maestros.

If anyone on the net knows of itineraries of Indian musicians and dancers in
advance for travel to the US or to or through the Pacific Rim countries or
Japan, Vrindaban would be grateful for such information and names and/or
addresses/phone numbers of people to be contacted for exploring possibilities
of a "stopover" concert in Hong Kong for these artistes.  The good auditoriums
in Hong Kong tend to be booked very heavily and long before the scheduled
concert date, so advance information on itineraries (at least three months and
upto a year in advance) would be very useful.  

S. Ramaswami (SESHRAMA@USTHK or SESHRAMA@USTHK.UST.HK)

You may also contact Dr. Avisha Gopalkrishnan by phone at (852)897-7677, or by
fax, at (852)558-4628.
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