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From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Re: A common proverb in Tamil and Telugu?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:54:16 GMT


In article <1992Oct3.205552.21372@cas.org>, nlp54@cas.org () writes:


|> 	Great job!  I like it.  Actually there is a proverb in Sanskrit:
|>
|> 	  "KANTHAKE NAIVA KANTHAKAM!"
                  ~~~


Let me pick some nits!


It should rather be "kantakEnaiva kantakam". That extra gap between "kantakE"
and "naiva" changes the meaning!

It is "kantakEna + Eva kantakam", with the meanings of individual words being

kantakEna = with thorn
Eva	  = only (operating on the noun _before_ it)
kantakam  = thorn

       [i.e., thorn only with thorn]


OTOH, what you wrote ("kantakE naiva kantakam") is

kantakE   = in thorn
na	  = not
Eva	  = only (operating on the noun _before_ it)
kantakam  = thorn

	[i.e., thorn not only in thorn]

which is clearly not right.


I would'nt have cared to make this silly and pedantic correction if you didn't
claim in an old article, "FIRST, YOU SHOULD HAVE EXCELLENT COMMAND OVER ALL THE
3 LANGUAGES! SECOND, YOU SHOULD HAVE INTELLECTUAL ABILITY."

No offense, keep up your nice job of posting poems and their translations.


|> 	  The meaning is the same as in Telugu and Tamil proverb-equivalents.

|> 	  PALANA.


PVR

PS: Sanskrit doesn't have short and long "e". Still I used "E" for the lone
"e" (long) in Sanskrit for clarity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi)
Subject: Low-key Doki?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:51:59 GMT

>From: idury@cs.rice.edu (Ramana Idury)
>Subject: Re: Censorship (Was: Offensive Jokes, Suresh Doki)

>It is pointless as well as incorrect to try to curb one's freedom of
			   ^^^^^^^^^^^	
>expression. However the most effective way to discourage senseless
>postings is by incorporating such topics in kill files as follows


	Too strong.  Sometimes it's necessary to curb one's
	so-called 'freedom of expression'.  Freedom of expression
	can survive only as long as the society which allows
	it can survive.  Having said that, a society which tolerates
	dissent is more apt to survive than one which suppresses
	dissension.  Confused?  Don't be.

	In the case of the good ship, Doki'pop, we neither have an
	assenter nor a dissenter.  We have a genuine computer virus
	on our hands.  What measures should be taken to combat this
	virus?  None, if a little aggravation is not minded.  
	
	So, is Doki a mere nuisance - a flatulent air among expensive
	perfumes?  Or is he a nagging virus?  Or still yet, is it a
	butterfly trying to find its wings?
	


	Kumar

ps:  btw, has anyone alerted Mcafee and Associates, yet?    :)
-- 
                                  *******************************************
   Kumar Yelubandi                 **  It is said that a wise man         **
   (good wines = good times!)      **  learns more from a fool than the   **
   ...in the year 2525...          **  other way around.  Drink up.       ** 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: dreddy@b30.ingr.com (Devender Reddy)
Subject: MR. SRIPADA RAO (CONTESTANT FOR CM)
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 19:55:51 GMT

Hi netters,

Mr. Sripada Rao has been the MLA for the last four of five terms. He is from 
Manthini in Karimnagar. He is considered to be honest compared to all the
other CM's so far and is also the present Speaker of the Assembly.
I am sure he can do a better job than other politicians.

-Devender Reddy
dreddy@b30news.b30.ingr.com
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: joke - no flames
Date: 2 Oct 1992 03:03:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

>This is about a Sardarji who is in a desert with his camel for many days now.
>He has got sufficient food and water to survive. He continues to travel.
>He did not get any company for all these days and he is very horny
>and badly wants to f*** some one. So he decides he will f*** his
>camel. He keeps trying doing that but the camel keeps hitting him with
>his tail. He could not manage both the things simultaneously, holding
>the tail and f******.    
>Then comes a female there, who had been unfortunately missed out of
>her group, and keeps moving in the desert without any food or water.
>She is very despo about that. She meets the Sardar and teels him if he
>can give her some water and food, she would do for him what ever she
>wants.    
>The sardar thinks for a while and tells the female that he would give
>her what she wants but she should hold the camel's tail for a while. 


how come there are no flames for this post? would this post not hurt
all the sardarji's? maybe coz  they are more sportive than most of the
morons who flamed me. 



suresh
From: idury@cs.rice.edu (Ramana Idury)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Censorship (Was: Offensive Jokes, Suresh Doki)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:56:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University, Houston


It is pointless as well as incorrect to try to curb one's freedom of
expression. However the most effective way to discourage senseless
postings is by incorporating such topics in kill files as follows

   enter ^K while reading SCIT. This will take you to edit mode into a
   KILL file. Include the following to kill all the articles
   pertaining to a subject with the following

   /<Sample-of-subject-title>/h:j

   Even better, if you want to kill all the articles from a person
because his/her postings are offensive to you, including the following:

  /From: *<e-mail-address-of-the-person>/h:j

As a matter of fact, I do this to certain persons whose posts I don't
like, and I am never bothered by them any more! 

Wishing you all peace of mind

Ramana

PS: You must precede each period with a backslash when inserting into
KILL file.
From: juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: WHY NENI IN THE END ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:09:36 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1047@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:

>Its hard to believe that this is an honest query. You seemingly
>know as to which community these surnames referred to. The names
>ending with *neni* are among many surnames of this community. NTR's
>family is one of such family which don't have *neni* ending. Many

Just to set the record straight, 'neni' does not necessarily refer to
Kammas. I have relatives with surnames 'Yennamaneni' and 'Ponnamaneni'.
I vaguely remember reading that (either by Khandavalli Lakshmiranjanam or 
Arudra) 'Neni' comes from 'Nadu'. That means 'Parvataneni' refers to
probably people who come 'Parvatanadu'. 

>of Andhra surnames don't really have legitimate meanings. For
>example what is the meaning of famous surname "Rao". You may
>probably(knowingly or unknowingly) trying to bring the topic of
>"caste" into this group, and I strongly feel that is very
>unhealthy.

I am not sure keeping mum and wishing it away is going to
solve any problem. Casteism is a problem in our society and that should
be dealt with by discussing it in detail. Why are we so jittery about
even mentioning the names of castes? For example, is it possible to
discuss race relations in America without mentioning the terms
'Black' or 'White'. We see so many novels in the Western world
portraying the atmosphere of different cultures as accurately
as possible. 

Why is it that our literature never captured the subtle tension that
exists between different castes. We as a society have been extremely
inarticulate in tackling the problem of caste. Can you imagine a writer
putting into print all the private jokes that Kammas crack on Brahmins and 
Brahmins on Kammas ( For that matter, any two castes on each other).

The issue is explosive and it requires writers of extreme balance,
judgement, articulation and courage. But caste system is an important
fact of our life and 'Glasnost' would go a long way in dismantling
it than secrecy, silence, cliches and platitudes.

>---Sree

Ramana
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Need to keep Doki & Company off the net
Date: 3 Oct 1992 23:24:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

[a threatening nonsensical post by DORA deleted]

>Yes, Potluri garu, I fully agree with you. Let me take this

What else could I expect from you? ;-)

>opportunity to clarify few thinks for SCIT readership. I, like

I always knew that your 'thinks' were never clear. ;-)

>many others, just ignored the postings of this fella(so called
>Doku) and his buddies at WPI and tried my level best to refrain

Are you friggin blind or what? Get the name right first. 

>Telugu. As sAmEtha goes, mullunu mulluthOnE Theeyali. Hope the SCIT

thammudu, nee medhaduku mEtha thakkuvayinattundhi. 'sAmEtha' kAdhu raa
bAbu, sAmetha....sAmetha....sAmetha....sAmetha....sAmetha....ippatiki
kantastham ayyindha?

>readership understand the circumstances which made me to respond in
>a strong wording.

You don't have to give justifications for showing your true colors.



suresh
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Request to people like Suresh Doki about jokes on Castes
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:19:32 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

 
>Mr.Suresh, you can tell jokes on kammas or gujjus within your friends
>not in public where kammas or gujjus are there. Can you tell jokes on
>blondes in public where there are blondes whom you don't know? Some
>people not only lack sense of humor but also take things seriously
>which makes the situation worse. So better not support 
>your selves.
>-Koneru.

there are a lot of jokes going on in rec.humor on blondes and don't
tell me that not a single blonde reads that news group. the blonde
jokes are posted very regularly, yet i never see a single complaint
about them being posted. moreover posting the kamma jokes on
alt.tasteless or rec.humor (as someone suggested) will be a waste coz
no one knows what a kamma means out there. the only people who know
what a kamma means are the STUPID scit readers who can't take a joke.
moreover i recently saw a sardarji joke posted and not a single flame
for it.


suresh


ps: no offense intended, just kidding!
From: inampudi@acsu.buffalo.edu (Satya P. Inampudi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: who is the CM of AP now?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:11:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB


does anyone know who the CM of AP now is..?
From: dikkala@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravikumar Dikkala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: test
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:05:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

: This is a test , please ignore it

Ignored.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: test (pariksha)
From: spkukkap@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:17:10 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

> hi folks,
YEDHIDHI TELUGULO RAYI

> 
> just want to check if you people are alive
> meeru brathiki unnaro ledho choodhamani
MAAKU TELUGU VACHU ANUVADHAM AVASARAM LEDHU, 
THAMARIKI ILANTI DHARMA SANDHEHAMU YENDHUKU VACHENU


> 
> untanu
YEKKADA 
NENU VASTHANU


> bye
> this is a test posting
YEVARIKI PARIKSHA


> idhi oka parikhsa lekha
SARE MAKU MARKULU YELA VACHAYO RAYI EE SARI

SP
> S
From: udumudi@maxine.wpi.edu (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Request to people like Suresh Doki about jokes on Castes
Date: 4 Oct 1992 21:59:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi) writes:

: in seeing other people get annoyed and indignant. The best way of driving
: him away is to deprive him of his pleasure, i.e., keeping silent. He will
: soon get bored and stop this crap. He might increase the dosage of attacks
: before giving up though. If you are showing an angry response you are walking
: into his trap.

No comments. Just statistics [at 4:30 pm sunday]

Total number of articles existing in the spool for SCIT at the 
news server for wpi:  54 
Total number of artciles referring to Doki: 27

691 696 698 706 707 711 719 720 722 723 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733
734 735 736 738 739 741 742 743 744

-- srinivas



	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: barakam@infonode.ingr.com (Sreedhar Barakam)
Subject: Speak for yourself Re: Mr. Doku and some entertainment
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.203638@IASTATE.EDU> keats@IASTATE.EDU (Krishna) writes:
>Getting  beyond trivialities like Doku, we need to give some thought
>why Telugus fail to be social in an organization. This present Doku
>controversy can serve as a microcosm of this failure on our part. I

Why is this generalization? Are you saying all Telugus FAIL to be
social? If so I think it is better if you speak for yourself, and
not condemn a whole group of people.

>see two reasons for this: 1. Unreasonable elements like Doku who lack
>a perspective beyond their own whinings and 2. Reasonable people who bear
>these unreasonable elements because they believe in the general goodness
>of people.
>
>I attribute the problems to the second category who don't know
>what to do when faced my clearly argumentative and unreasonable Doku-types.

 I think many people do KNOW;  None of them respond to this kind of 
posters; and a few fall for this traps.  But again, I think you are trying
 to generalize your theories to fit in more people than is necessary. 

Sreedhar Barakam.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: uds@parvathi.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Subject: Re: WHY NENI IN THE END ?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:11:41 GMT

In article <1047@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>: so common among these guys? I mean what is the significance of *neni* coming 
>: in the end ?  
>
>Its hard to believe that this is an honest query. You seemingly

I agree too.  But, I learnt a lot from such a question-answer
session recently...

>of Andhra surnames don't really have legitimate meanings. For
>example what is the meaning of famous surname "Rao". You may

I disagree.  Continuiing from above, I learnt that people whose
last names end in niDu (neeDu) (: example famous producer baapineedu)
have a glorious lineage of great generals (nayakudu -- corrupted to naayuDU
to neeDu) during vijayanagaram empire...  Now that should make such people
proud !!

I also came to know the history behind yhe kind of surname I had...
and also the surname of my mother's father  (becasue, my maena-maama
is an self-learned scholar in these issues + granthaalu also)...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: MR. SRIPADA RAO (CONTESTANT FOR CM)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:37:19 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Sep27.191943.18071@b30.ingr.com> dreddy@b30.ingr.com (Devender Reddy) writes:

>If Mr. Sripada Rao was close to PVNR, he would have become a minister in his 
>very first term of MLA. But people have realised his work in and around 
>Manthani to win this many number of times, even in the TDP wave.

He could very well have become well known in the past five years after
becoming the speaker. If he is really honest and efficient as is claimed
it might be a welcome change. Though I find it hard to believe anybody
can become a CM without PVNR's approval. This is not about PVNR or
Sri Pada Rao. Sycophancy and centralised command have become a part
of Indian political culture. Remember PVNR never indulged in nepotism
even during Indira Gandhi's rule. But after becoming PM, his son
PV Rajeshwar Rao is becoming a powerful figure. I think prime ministers
turn to their sons because they don't find any trusted lieutenants. Probably
the Prime Minister's office is full of dangers and intrigue. If this is
so it is very sickening indeed. 


>BTW are you related to Mr. Chandrasekhar Juvvadi who contested and lost against 
>Mr. Anand Rao in Karimnagar?

As a matter of fact, he is a distant cousin of mine.

>
>-Devender Reddy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: uds@parvathi.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Subject: Re: Telugus growing Marijuana in their backyards!!!!??!!!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.191913.26893@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> punati@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (yashodhar.punati) writes:
>Finally when the son got home he was able to convince the cops
>that the weed is not Marijuana but our favorite "GONGURA". He had
>to explain what it is used for etc.. Finally they left him
>alone after taking a few samples for the lab.
>Yashodhar Punati

I wonder if the person you mentioned lives in the northern colder states ?
Here me and my aunts family had harvested only frustration in tryin got grow
some vankaayalu and original tOtakoora (smuggled in from india)...

We might try dOsakaayalu, since we now seem to get a reasonably good stock
from India once in a while here in detroit...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Mr. Doku and some entertainment
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:45:56 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

keats@IASTATE.EDU (Krishna) writes:
: Now that we have the official joker and stupid-ass of s.c.i.t in the
: guise of Mr. Suresh Doku (with cheer-leading provided by devoted
: side-kicks ( aka chamchas ) at WPI), we should take care that we do
: not scare them off the net ( fat chance, hey, Doku!! ).
:
Krishna Garu, sorry for deleting your wonderful observations/
comments on this special 'species'. I just want say that your
posting represents the feelings of innumerable silent people
of SCIT. As you said, let this species be around for our
entertinment. If we reach to a point where we can no more take
his sick-jokes, we can use famous "saAma, DhAna DhandOpayAlu"
to silence this character.

---Sree

: ps: Boy, this thing really works!! I feel refreshed already.
: pps: The stories behind Doku's weepings must be interesting!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: ebcrk@bosun.ericsson.se (BO/EBC/KX/DM Reddy Kosuri 08-682 4230)
Subject: test
Summary: ignore this
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:38:28 GMT


This is a test , please ignore it
From: sista@engr.latech.edu (Ravi K. Sista)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Dassara panduga subhakankshalu
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:27:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.1992Oct5.212703.5709
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	



	"ANDARIKI NA YOKKA HRIDAYA POORVAKA DASSARA SUBHAKANKSHALU"

Ravi Kumar Sista
From: krishna@giadev.enet.dec.com (K.V.M.KRISHNA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Any one from Sainik School Korukonda, (SSK) around on thisnet
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:28:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


        Are there any guys from Sainil School Korukonda on this net?

        I am one such and belong to 1982 batch.

        Hello to anyone like me here.

        - Krishna.
From: udumudi@maxine.wpi.edu (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: MEDADUKU METHA..
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:45:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
: 
: >What is the best English translation for "kamma"? Not the caste, the
: >quality (as in "kammati vaasana").
: >Bapa Rao

: It could also be kamma as in 'kamma koduthunnava' or as in 'kamma
: dobbaku raa baaabu' and so on.

Naaku doki .. er doku.. vastundhi, nee articles choostuntae.

as usual, no offence intended anywhere except wherever it is intended.

-- srinivas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Need to keep Doki & Company off the net
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:58:48 GMT

In article <BvKMI8.CyH@cs.columbia.edu> bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) writes:
>In article <1al8j8INN8ft@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>>
>I hate to do this, Suresh, but just following your own way.
>Did you take your TOEFL?
>	spelling flame 1: it is 'morons' and not 'morans'. Come on,
>	you must know the spelling of moron!!
>
>>= high time to take a decision to keeps this guys off the net. 
>>				  ^^^^^^^^^^
>>did you take your TOEFL?
>>	spelling flame 1: it is 'keep' and not 'keeps'
>>	spelling flame 2: it is 'these' and not 'this'
>>
	WHAT?!  "Spelling flame #x"??  Hmm.  This is sad.  Anyway, I don't think anyone besides you two want to read this garbage.  Flames don't belong 
anywhere.  I mean it's one thing to voice comments on the conduct of a fellow
net.person, but exchanging spelling flames is pretty poor.

	Anyway, I don't know if any of you all have heard of Ms. Sasikala 
Penumarti, but she's a prominent practitioner of the Kuchipudi style of 
classical dance.  She had a program today, and she's having another one on
November 7.  If you want further info, mail me, and if there's enough interest,
I'll post some stuff about it.

Hmm

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: MEDADUKU METHA..
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:22:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


>Shh! Careful! Dora might be watching!
>-- srinivas

he already saw it. the stupid morAn started whining


suresh


ps: no offense intended, just kidding
From: juvvadi@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ramana R. Juvvadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Caste Discussions on SCIT
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:07:31 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <Sep.29.12.15.41.1992.3123@blaze.rutgers.edu> kumarv@blaze.rutgers.edu (kumar vadaparty) writes:

>I agree. But, do we have enough gorbys with the courage and the
>balance to do this? My guess is that just like America waited until
>sixties to discuss about sex, we probably need to wait until another
>twenty years to even openly discuss about caste system. Unfortunate,
>but true.

Mario Cuomo has a nice way of summarizing Bush's economic policy. He is
waiting for Gods of economic cycles to pull this country of recession
and the government need do nothing meanwhile. Whether Mario Cuomo is
right or not that count, his statement is perfectly valid in our context.
If you think our society is going to miraculously become more
mature after some time you are sadly mistaken. Openness in sex in
America didn't come about without emotional turmoil by millions.
I am not sure we can sidestep that process and reach the final
step miraculously. There is a serious communication gap in the
society if we can't even enquire the meaning of 'neni' without
fearing casteist misunderstanding.

>So, Ramana, if you want to talk about Casteism, you are risking both
>low SNR ratio and enormous mudslinging. I know I am coping out; but
>this seems more pleasant option than draining your emotions.

Probably. But if we can't discuss casteism here, where else can we discuss?
the print media, with guests in living room? Surely, this is a topic 
worth discussing!

Ramana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu