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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

>Posted on 8 Apr 1992 at 15:02:12 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Re: Tarmac rugrats
>
>Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:48:38 MST
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>From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
>
>On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:40:39 EDT <QXN148%URIACC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> said:
>>                                 demented and sad,but social
>>                                            Lisa
>>P.S. I have no idea if demented is spelled wright (sic) :)
>
>NO...."demented" is spelled "demented"....and "right" is spelled "right"
>not "left"....but Stephen does spell his name "Wright"....because his
>father was a wheelwright?
>
>dan
Well you can just add it to my list of spelling misakes for the week.  I will
never spell wharehouse wrong again from now on it is warehouse.
Lisa
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Gleanings

Hi Akio,

Something is not working somewhere, not WORDS-L mail here at all.

20 ULTRA-BARF  -  Actually Ultra-Slim, diet powder you mix with milk
                  to help loose weight "Give us a week, we'll take off
                  the pounds" - Tommy LaSorda and others TV pitch for
                  product.  Actually does seem to work, but is not
                  really like a "delicious" milk-shake.  Helps to add
                  fruit (strawberries, rasberries).  But would rather
                  have a ham 'n cheese omlet for breakfast.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
              10 Apr 1992 18:22:11 GMT from <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

>I like this guy!  Not often we get such intelligent and informative
>postings here :-)
>
>G

Thanks...we love you, too
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Academic Politics Quote
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sounds like this ought to be on the top of a wordslers head...since we
all know how small the stakes are....   dan
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A faculty member has asked us to find out who said "the reason
academic politics is so mean is that the stakes are so small" (or some
variant of this).  He thinks it was Santayana but has also been told
(by other faculty) that it was Henry Kissinger, Lord Acton, or
Mencken.

We have tried all our standard quotations books, and several that are
just quotes in education, but can't find it.  Can anyone help us with
this?  The maddening thing is, I know I have seen this quote (or
maxim) several times in the professional academic literature.

If anyone can provide any leads, please send them to me at
FAJB@NMUMUS.  Thanks.

John Berens
Head of Public Services
Olson Library, Northern Michigan University
FAJB@NMUMUS
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder
              9 Apr 1992 21:28:39 GMT from <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:28:39 GMT Graham Toal said:
>In article <WORDS-L%92040910293739@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
>CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Carol Goodson) writes:
>:It seems more awful that Arthur Ashe got AIDS because of how he got it...
>:through a blood transfusion during what WAS supposed to be a healing
>:procedure.     I admire him for being able to be so calm about it...I'm
>:afraid I might be suing... at least I'd be bitter.
>
>Implying that everyone else who gets aids deserved what they got?  Or
>am I misreading you?
>


....you  won't like it, but no, you weren't misreading me...I am opposed to
fornication on religious grounds (there's a blast from the past for you)...
and it appears that that is how many people are getting AIDS today... not all,
I realize....  and "deserve" is not the term I would use...no one "deserves"
to be the victim of a horrible illness....but surely those who continue to
engage in behavior known to be high risk are harder to feel sorry for than
those who get AIDS through a medical procedure...or from a spouse.
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)
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In article <WORDS-L%92041305233221@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Akio Tanaka
 <TANAKA%JPNSUT20.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>15) IRC/InitGame (Frank P.)

IRC is Internet Relay Chat.  It is an interactive conferencing
(chatting) system which runs across internet (for those on BITNET, it
is more or less like relay there).  It has channels and users have
nicknames or handles.

One of the (more or less) continuous channels on IRC is the Initgame
(Initials Game) channel.  The game works like this:  Someone changes
his/her nickname to the initials of someone famous.  Others then
ask yes or no questions and try to guess who the initials represent.
The person who guesses first then changes his/her nickname to
initials and so on.

>19) Derek Jacobi (Frank P.)

A British actor.  He played Claudius in the Masterpiece Theatre series
'I, Claudius'.  He also played Alan Turing in some sort of play (part
of which was shown on the PBS 'Man and Machine' show last week).  Both
of these required him to affect a stutter.  I made, I believe, some
silly joke about Jacobi becoming famous for his stutters.

Jacobi also played a French police officer in 'Day of the Jackal'.
He didn't stutter in that one however.

>30) Pit-bull sense of humor (Frank P.)

Pit-bulls are famous for the fact that they won't let go once they
get their teeth into an opponent.  They often have to be shot or
beaten to death to get them to relent.

With that in mind, have you ever known someone who continues to
push a gag or joke after everyone else has given up on it?  That
is a pit-bull sense of humor.
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: RE: in-jokes...

>Source-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:27:43 EST
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>   EMS: INTERNET
>   MBX: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Subject:  Re: in-jokes and such


>You're bi-disciplinary.

 ...I hadn't quite thought of myself that way.  Unfortunately, the
math degree was not of a whole lot of use in the line of business I
ended up in (pension plan administration - don't anyone even *think*
of going into it!), so I've forgotten a lot of it.  Much happier in
the information industry, anyway!

BTW, the above is the only indication I get as to where the
messages come from, so sometimes I don't know who's saying what.
I guess that's just the way MCIMail works?  I sure hope they
hurry up the changes in Internet access to Dialog (and vice-versa);
that would probably change both how much info I get about where
the messages come from, and also decrease the amount of time from
when the messages are sent, to when I get them!

Dr. J


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Dialog Information Services
   (...uh-oh, it's another librarian!)
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:14:48 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

> p.s. Natalie, I believe I also understood you, I just thought you were

I meant to add The Ronin to the list of the wise at least 24 hours ago.
I've liked everything you've said on the topic!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      New Voices on the list
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There is, by the way, a big difference between fresh meat and spoiled meat.

-abh
You know who you are
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

> Natalie, you understand English...but do you love it?

Je prefere le francais.

I didn't have to leave town, btw, so I'm still in the fray.  But I'm
not really in it.  I've *GOT* to hide away and grade papers...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      HEEEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!

Carpeth the Roninmeister:

Stateth       "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980" <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET>

> Quippeth the Ronin:

     Hey, get off my 'eth', Steve.

The Ronin

You should feel honored, Ro!  You started something that was subsequently
picked up by this august and auspicious assembly.  ("And if elected...")
Were dangerous dan from potatoland here he'd agree that initiation is the
sincerest form of philately....

John "I'm fwee, I'm FWEE!" W.
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      social judgements (was Russian)

Notes Sherlob:

: But just so no one is led astray, social judgements are not
: neither (sic) right nor wrong.  They are conventions that society
: has decided, consciously or not, to apply."

Er ... mightn't the conventions emerge out of experience that has
taught the members of the society that some behaviors work better
than others?

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 8 Apr 92 09:55:09
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Dr. Don  asks:

   Boston had a few situations where extra fare was collected when you
   exited in another zone. Like going past Kendall Square, or Quincy,
   or Maverick Square. Has this changed.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\?

The D line from Riverside or Reservoir (in-bound) requires a dollar fare
until you hit Kenmore, at which time the fare returns to the usual rate of
85 cents.  I'm not sure about the C or B green lines in-bound -- I do know
that B,C,D lines are free out-bound after Kenmore Sqare, and the E is free
after Symphony.  I don't think the Red, Blue, or Orange lines offer the
same deal outbound ....

//anne, a savvy T-rider//
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:09:41 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pre-Clam Slam

> (P.S.  Did my postings of Friday ever make it to the list - I never
>  got them back thru WORDS-L, altho I did receive a receipt from the
>  MCIMail gnomes?  I sent two, one answering the question about what
>  I do.  Since I don't appear to get all the postings from the list,
>  I'm not sure if the ones I sent got there!)

Yes.  I remember them.  You were thinking about logging on from home
over the weekend.  You must not have done so.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         ktw%HLWPK.ATT.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
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I copied by posting of yesterday to the person I mentioned in the body
of the article, and she replied to me this morning.  She has her own
way of thinking, and may come across as "idiosyncratic."

Ken
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thank you for the kind mention of my drawing hand.

i tend to feel that great writers can influence the development of
language.  chaucer and shakespere and joyce all transformed english.

i think that english will be profoundly changed by the use of
electronic media across linguistic and national boundaries,
particularly when the majority of english writers come to english from
other tongues. the limitations of english will be pushed i expect by
those who think in non-english phrases and concepts. i suspect that we
will lose allusion and nuance to bolder devices.  and that grammatical
structures will evolve to displace hierarchical constructs.

but i wonder about the fragmentation of audiences in literature. will
poetry be written as dialectical variation on a literary english which
is somehow separate from business or spoken english?

the discussion in rap [rec.arts.poems] on the business of poetry has
detoured once again into a capitalist-bashing back-alley. marx and
derrida are no antidotes to the view of human beings as commodities or
units of labour. here english which excels in instrumental uses fails
to allow a non-instrumental perception of humanity.

a great writer should in my book hold to a vision of humanity which
makes death and illness and murder and betrayal somehow bearable. i do
not think a writer can work just with linguistic units, but must
somehow be able to parse and patch souls.

do you read much of writers who exist in cultures vastly different
from your own?  when i read writers from a thousand years ago i
pretend that i understand their culture, that by reading all of the
footnotes that i have comprehended their use of language. i delude
myself. but i read milton through the eyes of blake and see durer
through the eyes of goya.

melynda reid   who wears hats but does not type caps
  eel:   melynda@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!melynda
  snail: p o box 378 greensboro, florida 32330
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Deserving Flames

Sayeth        Steve Portigal <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>

> The Ronin sez: that most dreadful of STD's, the *unwanted*
> child.

> Come on!  A child is never a DISEASE!  I think it would be a very
> difficult situation if I fathered a child unintentionally, but I would
> never consider that child a disease.  I'm not sure if you're
> being facetious here, but I find it offensive that you would talk
> about a baby in those terms.

> A child who is unwanted may have a difficult, perhaps terrible life, but they
> will never be a disease.

> I'd really appreciate it if you would clarify your view.

     Gladly.  First, I said 'unwanted', you said 'unintentional'.  Not
the same thing.  You made it quite clear that you would still welcome
the child even if it were unexpected.  You spoke of the child that was
born as if it would bear the brunt of the problems.  What about the
child who bore it?  The child whose life will (in a large number of
cases) be over now that a baby has come?  Who must drop out of school,
accept either menial work or government handouts in order to survive,
who will be treated as a pariah until she proves herself?  Our society
is improving on the treatment of these people, it still has long way
to go.  Anyone doubting this hasn't been living in the 'right'
neighborhoods.

     Steve, existing life may have a sacredness, but the
indescriminate creation of life is not sacred to me.  This doesn't
mean kill the baby after it is born, but it does mean that I don't
find birth to always be a positive thing.  I do not mean to offend
with this, but it is how I feel.

The Ronin
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:20:34 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: The National Academy (again)

> Last week, Natalie questioned my recollections of some
> information gleaned from the text used in my History of
> English class.  Although I don't have the message anymore, I

The above is correct.

> posted something to the effect that the reason why we don't
> have an academy to regulate the English language, is because
> it goes against the grain of the American spirit, and
> further, dictionaries have pretty much come to serve the same
> purpose anyway.  She said that the author couldn't have
> written that.

This part is definitely NOT correct on one point and probably not correct
on another.  I most definitely did NOT say "that the author couldn't have
written that"!  The sentence above that one is also not what I remember,
although I'll have to find the original in the archives or usenet to
be absolutely certain.  I can't imagine why I would have argued with
the fact that dictionaries "have pretty much come to serve the same
purpose" since I believe that to be true.

> "In summary, no attempt to establish a national academy...has
> been truly successful...in...the English-speaking world.  To
> a large extent, the authoritative dictionaries, beginning
> with Johnson's dictionary and continuing with the Oxford
> English Dictionary in Britain and Webster's dictionaries in
> the United States, have served as a substitute for a national
> academy."  (p. 264)

Although instead of using Millward's book (which is sitting on my shelf
about three feet away from me right now) I use Baugh & Cable (and have
used Pyles & Algeo in the past), I tell my students in History of the
English Language almost exactly the same thing that is quoted above.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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On Sun, 12 Apr 1992, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> 	This thread reminded me of something else - instead of my parents
> reading us bedtime stories, my grandma would tell us kids the most
> wonderful stories (usually, during the summer vacations).  She had such
> a huge collection of them in her head.  Later, I  tried to find out if they
 were
> available in print, and could find some, but had no luck with many others.
> We should have recorded them; she was a great raconteur.  (My grandma
> died a couple of years ago.)

I had a grandmother like that, too.  While my parents and my aunts
always read to me, she told me great stories, all about her childhood and
the adventures her father had as a trail driver on the big cattle
drives.  She was a wonderful storyteller, and I loved her stories.  By
the time I was about 10, though, she wouldn't repeat them any more.  When
I was in college, I wanted to write them down, because I remembered them
as so great, but she wouldn't tell them to me any more. I wish *somebody* had
recorded them...I'd love to hear them again.
ndh
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, Jupiter University"
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Subject:      Re: asterix

Actually, I got that bit about having to translate the puns from an article
that appeared a few months ago in the _Sunday Times of London_.  What they do
is (laboriously) remove the vast majority of the French puns (very very few of
them are actually translatable, according to the article), and come up with
entirely new ones in English that will work in the context of the artwork that
already exists.  In other words, the "legion" joke probably doesn't exist in
the French version of that story.

--Aaron
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder
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              8 Apr 1992 21:50:00 EDT from <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:50:00 EDT Adam M Hartfield said:
>>Okay I'll pick up the gauntlet on this one: Why is it more awful when
>>Arthur Ashe has AIDS than when anyone else does?
>
>I don't consider myself politically correct, but I was going to ask
>the same question.  I really couldn't believe all the hoopla that was
>made over Magic Johnson having AIDS as opposed to the thousands of
>other people that have it...what made me especially upset is how the
>media was saying what a tragedy it was, and yet didn't say anything
>about the other AIDS sufferers.

I think the answer may be....that many americans (and presumably canadians
and others) don't personally have any contact with aids...and don't personally
know anyone with aids....so they can't really relate to it...it doesn't
make the tragedy of the disease hit them....so, if it happens to someone
you "know" like Magic or Arthur or Freddy or whoever may mean something
to you personally, it sort of brings it home in a sense....personalizes it...
and thus may be a "good" thing to do....because it increases awareness...
and makes these  folks  relate to the disease, as it can happen to someone
I "know" and not just "them", the unlucky ones or the promiscuous ones...or
the "goddamfags" or whoever....

But of course all of the above could be wrong....but it works for me.

dan