HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: The philosophy of exercise
Reply-To: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:54:50 GMT

Larry Watanabe writes:

- I have been convinced by Steve Dyer's arguments that there is
- little evidence that metabolism is significantly changed by exercise.

This seems to pretty well sum things up.  Some people believe
that exercise does this or that, and have ample academic references
to back up their claims, and some people believe some other thing,
for example, that being a couch potato is the way to go, and also
have ample academic references.  (Actually, you don't need academic
references for this one, because any idjit knows that exercise is
the primary cause of injury.)

I exercise for a variety of reasons.  First and foremost, because 
it allows me to eat what I want to eat.  Next, I feel better when
I look at myself in the mirror.  Thirdly, I *feel* better physically
when I'm not a slug, and *finally*, I *may* live longer.  On the
other hand, I may not.  I may also get struck by lightning.  You
pay your money, and you take your chances.

*My* experiences, my own personal experiences, and your mileage
may vary a *lot*, is that when I exercise, I eat far more 
additional food than would be dictated by the simple calories per
mile measurements.  That's me.

But if that does not work for you, then fine.  But please, let's
not argue about whether or not this is true.  It may be true
for some people and not for others.  You're better off trying 
it out for a month or two to see what happens.  And you'll sleep
just a little better when you know just a little more about how
your body works and what you can do with it.

Now, where is that pumpkin pie I brought in for lunch...

Jeff
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: exercise for special conditions
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:57:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct5.165731.18897
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct5.212526.11239@waikato.ac.nz> sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson) writes:
>I have a brother who suffers from Myalgic Encepholomyelitus (M.E.)

This is a synonym for Chronic Fatigue Disorder.  ME is a word popular in
some English-speaking countries outside the US, but it's not particularly
meaningful (there's no brain inflammation involved as best we know).
I does make the syndrome sound more like a disease.

>In short, this means that he has a low tolerance to excercise.  Is there
>anything that he can do to increase his fitness level, and therefore general
>health, without risking a serious health setback that would jeoperdise his
>studies (he is a student) and general enjoyment of life?

Gad, he should do what he feels capable of, I suppose and no more.
How about low-impact aerobics?  It may be that when you're weak and
feel lousy, as is the case almost by definition here, the best exercise
to do is none at all.  Trust your body, and all that...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: QUESTION about Vitamin C
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:33:40 GMT

In article <jll-260992140740@wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk>, jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice ) writes:

>I am currently taking 500mg a day of vit C.  I thought this would 
>be sufficient as being a smoker my body deletes vit C at an extremely fast
>rate. So, am I taking enough vit C to maintain good health and is it true
>that you cannot  "overdose" on vit C?

 as I heard'n'read it, the liver takes care of what isn't needed, so an OD is
probably not likely, though it could be a pain on the liver with too much for
too a long time. the daily need is about 20-50mg...




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 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm
From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: A coupla questions
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:45:47 GMT
Reply-To: karl@isgtec.com <Karl Sewlochan>
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

John Driver (jdriver@netlink.cts.com) wrote:
: 
:         I can't do squats because my achilles tendons are extremely 
: short and don't allow me enough flexibility to bend my knees more 
: than a few inches before my heels leave the ground (and yes I am 
: using correct form.

First off, start stretching your calves to better allow you to
squat.  Second off, try squatting with a block of 2x4 wood or a 
ten pound plate under your heels.

--
Karl Sewlochan        ...uunet.ca!isgtec!karl             karl@isgtec.com
ISG Technologies Inc.  3030 Orlando Dr. Mississauga.   Ont.  Can.  L4V 1S8
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:43:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep30.214356.29482
Organization: Western Washington University

mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>                              LIQUID FASTING DIET
>               Many readers of this article are already familiar with 
>          the important health benefits of apple juice, lemon juice, 
>          apple cider vinegar, distilled water, prune juice, honey, 
>          garlic, and fasting.  I have combined all of these health 
>          helpers into a repeatable four-week cycle of weekly one-day 
>          liquid fasting diets, similar in some respects to the famous 
>          three-day cleansing program of Dr. John R. Christopher, M.H. 
...>               The purpose of such a diet is to neutralize and flush 
>          out various toxins and waste products in the body which cause 

This is nonsense.   The only "toxins" likely to be flushed out by the
magic juice power, are muscle cells.

	However, if properly used along with a spiritual healing crystal,
this "toxin flush diet" may have potential.   ;-).

Jim Del Vecchio
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitnes Thoughts is Back! With Avengence!
Date: 3 Oct 1992 17:58:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) says:

>whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>	Second of all, someone who is extremely fat, say 300 
>>pounds at 45% fat, could he get he start walking and just conti-
>>nuously walk during the day, sleep at night and only stop for
>>low fat meals and basically become thin man in a month? Or does
>>his metabolism etc. get messed up?
>
>Hehehe.   A month?   Try a year, or several years.
>
>	Fat doesn't evaporate, it has to be used, and you can live
>a long time indeed on 135 lbs of fat.  Even if you were starving
>you could go half a year or maybe a year.

	Also, such continuous walking would seriously cut into your
resting time.  Muscle tissue is rebuilt mostly during periods of rest;
hence, such a regimen could seriously reduce your muscle mass.  Less
muscle mass, lower metabolism.  (In fact, one of the main reasons why
exercise raises your metabolism is because it causes tissue rebuilding.)
 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Subject: Re: GHB
Reply-To: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.002656.27137@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent) writes:
> Has anyone heard of a substance called GammaHydroxyButarate?
> It was popular when I stopped working out a couple of years
> ago, as a booster to gh release.  I heard the FDA banned
> this substance, anyone know about this?          
> I tried it a couple of times back then, found it a few days ago,
> was just curious.  Thanks

The reason this supplement was banned because a few dopes decided to take 
many times the prescribe dosage.  The end result was that these persons
ended up in a coma.  Another incident in Florida involved several persons
who again doubled or tripled the dosage and then combined it with a night
of drinking. These people also became unconscious.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gbrown@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: COMPETITIVE ROWING QUESTION
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:01:38 GMT


Thanks for the info on the Olympic 8-person stroke rate, the reason I asked 
was I row competitively in the summer (6-person fixed seat with a cox).  
The course takes about 5 to 6 min, with a turn.  Are there any coxes or 
trainers out there with suggestions for this type of race?  We basically 
start from a dead stop twice in a race.  We usually pull 44-46 strokes per 
min for the whole race.  We've been winning our races with this technique 
but would like to improve for next year and qualify for the championship 
race.  We can do the course in 5.35 to 5.45 but the record is 5.08.  Also, 
any suggestions for training in the off season.  Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Donna Somerton
Ocean Sciences Centre, 
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St.John's Newfoundland, CANADA
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:7615 rec.running:2661
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.running
Subject: Re: Fat Burning Primer
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:15:09 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep29.062604.10132@Princeton.EDU> rks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh K. Sitaraman) writes:
>2. During excercise the glucose and fatty acid in the blood is utilised.
>Fatty acid in blood stream is utilised in preference to glucose 
>for various reasons. (There are organs like the brain that can use only
>one ene{gy source : glucose)

Some parts of the brain can use ketones (derived from fatty acids).
 
>6. Only long sustained exercise ( 30 -40 mins) is guaranteed to burn
>fat (see fat mobilisation etc above). I have seen it work on me and 
>others. I dont know what zip code these other guys are from.

Mine is 02138.

So you don't agree that the body burns fat at rest?  The body only burns 
fat when you are exercising aerobically for 30-40 minutes?  

Needless to say, I disagree (see my other post on fat burning and exercise).  
Must be my zip code...

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: BORON instead of steroids
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:49:17 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <1992Oct1.233136.2121@col.hp.com> mikev@col.hp.com (Mike Vigil) writes:
%   Now there is a safe and effective replacement for steroids.  Boron can 
%   increase Testosterone levels up to 300% in 14 days without the harmful 
%   side effects of steroids.

This seems a little bogus... see below...

% 
%   Research by Medical scientists of the Department of Agriculture have shown
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
%   up to 300% increase in test subjects. 

The test subjects here were, in all likelihood, cattle.  Yep, that's right. 
COWS.  I'd have to take anything by the USDA for people with a grain or two
of salt.  I'd expect better data for cows or horses than for people from
these folks.

 
%   For Huge Increases - Order your 3 month cycle of Boron today.
%   Boron 3 month cycle Order #55001 $17.95
                                     ^^^^^^

besides... If boron really _did_ increase your testosterone levels that much,
do you really think they'd be selling it that cheap?  NOT!

% Does it really increase the testosterone level?  

Remember... if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.  

As a sidenote to this subject, in last month's Ironman Magazine (the one with
Lou on the cover) there was an article that touted the benefits of exposure
to the sun.  It was saying that there is a natural increase in testosterone
via sunlight (real, not this tanning bed shit), almost a 200% increase.  I'll
leave the particulars for the individual reader to find out, but I'll put a
lot more stock in getting more testosterone from the sun (which, incidentally
is  F R E E;  boron isn't.)  than from boron.

-blaine

-blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Short muscles :-(
Followup-To: ss8f@virginia.edu
Originator: ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:06:31 GMT

Hi,
	I am cursed with short biceps and triceps :-( I am working on the
	biceps by doing lots of preacher curls and am seeing some
	improvement. However, my tris are woefully small near the elbow
	region. I used to do a lot of dips but that didn't seem to help. Right
	now I am doing dumbell extensions and do feel the exercise in that
	area. Any suggestions regarding the type and intensity of exercise
	 must follow? Is there some exercise that will work wonders(!!)?

	Any suggestions will be appreciated.

	Thanks,
	Sanjay Srinivasan
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitnes Thoughts is Back! With Avengence!
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:51:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct3.155122.3495
Organization: Western Washington University

whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>	Second of all, someone who is extremely fat, say 300 
>pounds at 45% fat, could he get he start walking and just conti-
>nuously walk during the day, sleep at night and only stop for
>low fat meals and basically become thin man in a month? Or does
>his metabolism etc. get messed up?

Hehehe.   A month?   Try a year, or several years.

	Fat doesn't evaporate, it has to be used, and you can live
a long time indeed on 135 lbs of fat.  Even if you were starving
you could go half a year or maybe a year.

I hope you aren't planning to get this fat.    %^)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov (Walter B. Kulecz, Ph.D)
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: KRUG Life Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.182207.1415@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
wrote:
> 
>           
>           
>                               LIQUID FASTING DIET
>           
>                Many readers of this article are already familiar with 
>           the important health benefits of apple juice, lemon juice, 
>           apple cider vinegar, distilled water, prune juice, honey, 
>           garlic, and fasting.  I have combined all of these health 
>           helpers into a repeatable four-week cycle of weekly one-day 
>           liquid fasting diets, similar in some respects to the famous 
>           three-day cleansing program of Dr. John R. Christopher, M.H. 
>           their way out through your kidneys. 

------------------------- stuff deleted --------------------------------
>           
>                You are likely to feel hungry, weak, and very rough 
>           during each fast and even on the day after, especially during 
>           the first cycle.  Self-discipline and patience are required 
>           here. 
>           
>                This four-week cycle of weekly one-day liquid fasting 
>           diets should be repeated often, on a regular basis, for a 
>           long and healthy life.
>  
>           
>                                          
>                UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>           IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
> 
> 
>                                    Robert E. McElwaine

Try it, it may work for you,  BUT ....
If this made me live forever I'd conclude I'd died and been sent to Hell.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.running
From: seema@playfair.Stanford.EDU (Seema Sonnad)
Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Shoes
Reply-To: seema@playfair.Stanford.EDU (Seema Sonnad)
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:17:00 GMT

I really recommend that if there is one near you, you go to a shop specializing in running.
They can do a gait analysis and recommend the shoes that will work best for you.  An excellent
shop near here has told me that they have completely stopped carrying any NIKE running
shoes due to the high rate of injury reports they were getting.

The same goes for cross-trainers.  I hear from my local athletic shop, my own experience and
that of other aerobics instructors i work with, that AVIA is still the shoe if your primary cross
training activity is aerobics.  I'm also using the REEBOK pro step shoe since I teach a lot of step and
it is lighter.  Good luck.  Having the right shoes does make life more pleasant.

If you need to just go out and buy a pair  of running shoes quickly, you might try the Saucony Jazz, which seem to be high in everyone's ratings from Consumer Reports to Running World and Shape magazines.
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Test. and Sun??????????
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:54:59 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

Somehow I have a hard time believing that sun increases your testosterone too.
Sunlight activates vitamin D in your skin which is responsible for calcium
absorption, but again, biochemically speaking, I don't see how it would raise
your testosterone.  At least I haven't seen any research on it.  I could be 
wrong.

Then again...if it's coming from Ironman, IT MUST BE TRUTH!!!!  :)  :)  No Pun
intended! :)

-Rob
From: jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice )
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: QUESTION about Vitamin C
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Date: 26 Sep 1992 13:12:53 GMT
Organization: Imperial College London
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk



I am currently taking 500mg a day of vit C.  I thought this would 
be sufficient as being a smoker my body deletes vit C at an extremely fast
rate. So, am I taking enough vit C to maintain good health and is it true
that you cannot  "overdose" on vit C?

Janice.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: seema@playfair.Stanford.EDU (Seema Sonnad)
Subject: Re: FAT?
Reply-To: seema@playfair.Stanford.EDU (Seema Sonnad)
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: su
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:34:27 GMT

There are some very good books by Connie Netzer with titles like the FAT CONTENTS of FOOD.
At least one of them even includes a bunch of fast foods listed by restaurant.  It will be much quicker
for you to just buy one of these.  They include both calories and grams of fat so that you can easily figure out percent of calories from fat.
From: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: A question....
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:08:01 GMT
Reply-To: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Organization: Climate Model Intercomparison Group, LLNL

In article <1992Oct6.194234.10347@newsgate.sps.mot.com> jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner) writes:
>
>I suppose the reason is that the lack of chest hair results in better  
>muscle definition, but is this a genetic requisite for being a  
>bodybuilder/fitness magazine model, or do they regularly shave their chest  
>hair (OUCH!) or get rid of it in some other way?
>

Jeff,

A friend of mine is an electrologist, and she told me about a male
client she had who was a bodybuilder.  He was in competition and was
going to get his chest hair *permanently* removed.

                                                   Lisa

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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: What muscles do Pull Ups build?
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:19:34 GMT
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

As a woman, I find pull-ups to be nearly impossible to do; on a good day, I can
do 5.  I've noticed that only men and never women do pull-ups in my gym; is
this an exercise that physiologically favors men?  I've also noticed that I can
do much more weight on lat pull-downs than other women, but I still can't
easily do pull-ups.  Any advice on how to improve my performance here?

Katie
From: v096jcze@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (living in my own private idaho)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: heal spurs and running
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41






i like to run, but i only run approximately 15 - 20 miles
per week.  the problem is that i have been having difficulty
with heal spurs despite the fact that i have been fitted with
orthotics by a podiatrist.

i was wondering if there is anyone else out there who has experienced
this problem, and if there are other alternatives except cutting
my milage.


any responses or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

ginny
From: jeffs@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:37:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat %
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

In misc.fitness, mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail) writes:

    I recently had my Body Fat % taken at my Health Club via a small
    computer - the Futrex 1000.  I realize that this is not the most
    accurate means, but it was free. ;-)  I had this done early in
    the morning, before I had eaten anything, though I was properly
    hydrated.  I knew that my % was low, but it came out to be a
    *whopping* 0.5%.  I know that this number is _not_ humanly possible,
    and the margin of error for this machine for extremely lean/obese
    people is greater, but is it possible for a person's BF % to actually
    be too low?  Are there any dangers/side effects/etc...???

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I think that in order to have a body fat of 0.5%, you have to be
dead for a couple of years. Could it have been 5%, which would
still be extremely low?
From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Are all doctors stupid ?
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:56:56 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300


In <1992Sep25.195126.14647@colorado.edu>
schiffd@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (David M. Schiff) writes:
% I'm curious what people here think and am also wondering if people
% have noticed changes in their own bp- especially newcomers who have experienced 
% radical improvements and who thus have a good, short duration (1 to 2 yrs)
% before and after to compare.
 
Actually, I'm not a beginner, but I've noticed that my blood pressure has
always been pretty damn low, usually something in te neighboorhood of 90/60.
I've never had anything close to high-blood pressure, which is something of
an oddity since everyone over the age of 50 in my family has high blood
pressure......


-blaine

-blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."

Newsgroups: misc.fitness