HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:56:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.084040.1@matrix.cs.wright.edu> isoper@matrix.cs.wright.edu writes:
>
>Two were in the Washington D.C. Metro area and one in Central Ohio. In all
>cases the sales people had an arrogant know-it-all attitude and were slow to 
>wait on anyone who was not one of the regular good ole' boys or appeared to
>be there to buy something other than a high dollar piece of equipment. 


The late great totally unlamented Tel-Com in Littleton Mass used to be
that way, but for some strange reason they went out of business. :+) I
lived less than 10 minutes away, but would happily drive to HRO in New
Hampshire to buy the latest repeater directory rather than be abused
at Tel-Com.  Seems they just couldn't compete. :+)

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com
n1jbj@amsat.org
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: No, I won't be starting an auto-canceller
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:52:36 GMT

Bruce Perens writes:
> We still need some kind of self-regulation system that lies between 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly, and that means *self*; we each decide *for ourselves* 
what is right and wrong, and then take personal responsibility
for our own actions within the framework of rules which apply 
to everyone uniformly.  "Self regulation" does *not* mean YOU
deciding what an individual may or may not say on the net. Taking
the action you proposed in your original post would
have been wrong whether or not a "majority" of those who responded
agreed with you; you don't have the right to censor others, 
regardless.  The bands are already full of self-appointed guardians
of the public good who in their sole personal judgement decide what
they will allow, and then impose their will on others by force through
QRM.  Let's not bring this tyranny to the net as well.

Mike, N4PDY
************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: tonyp@cnvxla.COM, , Conan - good!)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Should we cancel these users?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:10:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Oct14.181021.10944
Reply-To: tonyp@convex.COM
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Oct14.172713.25545@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> paulf@umunhum.stanford.edu (Paul Flaherty) writes:
}>I've always wanted a listing of the Net Police....
}
}NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!
}
Make that "Nobody expects the HAMish inquisition!".

I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself.

--
    Tony J. Podrasky              There is nothing wrong with your CRT;
     San Diego , Ca               do not attempt to adjust the picture. 
    tonyp@convex.com                WE are controlling transmission...
QSL? QRU? QRZ? QLZ? QFA?       
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss)
Subject: Re: Will this work?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:57:17 GMT

One other suggestion:

Radio Shack sells a box that takes two video inputs, one from channel 3/4
the other from direct video and audio inputs (mono) and puts them up on
around TV channels 18 and 66.  These don't conflict with cable channels of
the same number.  I get better video that when I tried to mixed things
around channel 3 and without all the bleed over problems as well.

I've seen older, cheaper boxes than do band translation, but these babies
tend to self oscillate and radiate execessive amounts of broad-band RF
in all the wrong places.

I use one channel for VCR output and the other for a baby room b/w monitor
and it works fine as long as you can master the cable/tv (rf) button on
the TV. I mix everthing and then distribute it to the entire house.

Jerry S. Weiss	  "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the antimatter!"
j-weiss@nwu.edu    Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School
From: FBCABAC%CFRVM.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RS Multiple Video Dist. Sys.
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:26:39 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

This look like an interesting device - guess I'll have to get a new RS
catalog :-).  Has anyone tried taking a baseband signal (such as from a
VCR or camcorder) and getting it to come out just below UHF channel 14?
This would be an easy and inexpensive way to get on ATV! Any ideas?
     Ross F. Wilder N4OJU     FBCABAC@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU
From: yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Stolen Equipment Alert
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:10:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <9210071558.AA13159@umassmed.UMMED.EDU> sbaker@umassmed.UMMED.EDU (Stephen Baker ) writes:
>Two years ago or so on the Ham echo on Fidonet that it would be a great  
>service to the Ham community if the league (i.e. ARRL) establish and
>maintain a database of stolen and lost equipment.  It would be a very
>simple thing to set up in Paradox on any old PC.  In fact, the company
>that handles the ARRL rig insurance program might even do it for free as
>it might help them recover equipment that claims are made for.  
>
>Such a database would have descriptions including serial numbers and other
>identifying marks, as well as information on the owner.  
>
>This seems too obvious to me.  Sure it will take some effort, but I'll bet
>some organization, insurance company, manufacturer would cover the cost for
>the public relations, good publicity, good will etc.

Theoretically, I question the cost effectiveness of such a database.
First of all, I would bet many hams do not know the serial numbers of
the equipment that they bought (especially if they bought it used).

Second, I wonder how many of the rigs registered would ever be
recovered on the basis of such a database.  It would have to be
registered, then somebody would have to go through the trouble of
checking the database if a piece of equipment comes up for sale.

Third, who would have the incentive to check the database?  Not the
seller of the stolen equipment.  It is impossible for a buyer to check
the database while at the hamfest.  After buying the rig, why should
the buyer risk losing the rig by checking the database?


-- 
411 Blockley Hall      |                    Conway Yee, N2JWQ
418 Service Drive      | yee@ming.mipg.upenn.edu    (preferred)
Philadelphia, PA 19104 | cy5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (forwarded to above)
(215) 662-6780         |
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Blackmon)
Subject: Mods Database
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:14:06 GMT


I have set up a decent MODS database here at garfield.catt.ncsu.edu
It is accessable via anonymous ftp to garfield.catt.ncsu.edu or 152.1.43.23
If you've got mods you wish to upload... please feel free to do so... 
but put them in the /pub/hamradio/Incoming directory... thanks

                                       73's de N4VGK


Chris Blackmon, N4VGK		||  In this business, you either lead, follow
protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu	||  or get the hell out of the way.
protein@hornet.catt.ncsu.edu    ||
"pour aller ou personne n'est jamais alle'...."
From: MOSIER@iris.uncg.EDU (Steve Mosier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: OOAS Award
Date: 9 Oct 1992 12:34:54 -0700
Organization: University of NC at Greensboro
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

> Anyone holding OO notices from all 50 states, or similar
> documents from 100 countries, is encouraged to send them

I'm looking for a multifunction generator, 13.8 volts rms with a current
capability of 20-22 amps.  Anyone have one to sell??

steve - W3GRG
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: More Truth about UHF connectors
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:03:13 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA


Nobody has put down UHF connectors for a few days, so I thought
it was about time to start up the discussion again.

The equation for the impedence of a coaxial transmission line is:

	Z=(60/A)*loge (b/d)

where 	A = square root of the relative dielectric constant
	b = inside diameter of the shield or ground 
	d = outside diameter of the center conductor
	loge = log to the base e (2.71828...)

This is from "Microwave Filters, Impedence-Matching Networks,
and Coupling Structures" by G. Mattai, L. Young, & E.M.T. Jones,
Copyright 1980, page 165

The relative dielectric constant for teflon is 2.1 
(relative to air of course).   The dielectric constant for phenolic
is highly variable, but tends to be around 3.5.  At high frequencies
it is so lossy that the dielectric constant is irrelevant.

I grabbed a handful of connectors and started measuring.  The 
connectors I had all had teflon dielectric, but I also calculated
what the impedence would be if they were phenolic.

dimensions are in inches.  Dimensions for some of the connectors are
approximate - I didn't want to destroy the connectors to get better
accuracy.

				teflon:		phenolic:
SO-239 barrel: b=.35 d=.21  	Z = 21 ohms  	Z = 16 ohms  no brand name 
SO-239 bulkhead: b=.47 d=.21	Z = 33 ohms	Z = 26 ohms  no brand name
PL-259/RG-8: b=.464 d=.218	Z = 31 ohms	Z = 24 ohms  silver plated
PL-259/BNC adapter: b=.48 d=.16	Z = 45 ohms  	made by Amphenol

BNC:  b = .26 d = .08 		Z = 49 ohms	made by Amphenol
N:  b = .2745 d = .119		Z = 50 ohms  (air dielectric) made by HP
sma:  b = .160 d = .0485	Z = 49 ohms	made by Amphenol

The "UHF" connectors aren't even close to 50 ohms, except for the one made
by Amphenol.  Even the silver plated connector, which is often assumed to 
be a sign of quality, is pretty poor.  It would be interesting to compare 
some other styles of UHF connectors made by Amphenol to see how they compared.

Frank Ball   1UR-M         frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   	   (707) 794-4168 work (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive    KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: smtplink%Hayssen__Carl_at_708__ANDOVER@sceng.UB.COM (Hayssen_Carl at 708_ANDOVER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: kerchunking repeaters
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:10:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sceng.9210161223.A32573
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


->
->Actually, kerchunking is the one behaviour that absolutely sets the
->professionals apart from the amateurs - the professionals KNOW that
->their radio is going to work, that the repeater is going to work,
->and that they can simply pick up the microphone and make a call.
->
->It's the amateur whose equipment has proven so unreliable that it has to
->be tested every time it needs to be used.
->
->Which are you?
->
->Ahem.
->      - Brian
->

Hey Brian,

Are you this nasty in real life?

Ever consider that an amature might want to test something he built rather 
than simply bought?  I don't know who you mean by 'professionals'.  If they 
are who I think they are, they don't KNOW the radio will work.  They ASSUME 
their radio will work.  If it doesn't they call the service man, like any 
other appliance operator.

Which are you?

Ahem

     - Carl
From: dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: W5YI report..
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:49:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: zule

In article <b63z6lb@rpi.edu>, root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
|> Gee, I guess you haven't listened to the 2m repeaters lately.
|> You're right, I was wrong in my above statement, Ham radio won't end.
|> It will just merge with CB radio...
|> 
Sure have, and to be quite honest I can't tell a whole lot of difference
between folks with KC6 and KD6 (i.e. calls in the last 18 months) and
ones with 2x2 and 2x1 calls (i.e. Advanced and above). Both groups have
courteous and skilled operators, and both groups have people that can't
seem to get a clue about how to operate on the air. The big difference
however is the KC/KD crowd will respond 99% of the time to some kind
and constructive instruction, while the 2x2+ crowd point to their call
signs as a sign of superiority.

One reason I got my Advanced was to get cranky old farts off my
case on both HF and VHF. I can't be accidently mistaken for one of
those inferior no-codes. My wife by the way went from her FCC class
2 license (she was a DJ in college) to her tech no-code. She had more
time on the air before she got her license than many Extra classes
will achieve before they die. Of course she gets an unreasonable
amount of crap from old farts because she is a woman and has a KD
call so she must be a no-code.

I agree with a previous poster. The only thing that will kill this
hobby is the old farts keeping out new blood and then dying off.

Dan Pritchett               | ARPA/Internet: dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft Desktop Prod. Tools | GEnie: D.PRITCHET3
                            | Packet: KM6PR@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I used to think that I was cool.
Running around on fossil fuel.
Until I saw what I was doing.
Was driving down the road to ruin.
            James Taylor
From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ? Digital Delay VOX
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:10:29 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

>Well, I'm at my wits end trying to remember where I saw a recent
>construction article for a digital delay VOX unit.  It was either
>in QST or in CQ, I can't remember which.  Maybe it was Nuts and Volts?
>
>Can anyone on the net point me to the issue/magazine in which it
>was printed?

It was in QST: John Cowan, W4ZPS, "Flawless VOX Operation with
the Smooth Voice Controller," QST, Apr 1992, pp 37-43.

--73, Rus

----------------------------------------
Rus Healy, NJ2L
Senior Assistant Technical Editor, QST
rhealy@arrl.org

1.8 through 2304 MHz . . . and climbing!
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: codella@codella.watson.ibm.com (Chris Codella)
Subject: Hamfest - Southeastern NY
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 19:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: codella@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center

(Posted for someone else.  Please do not send queries to this ID.)
 

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!   H A M F E S T !   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club is sponsoring it's annual Winter Hamfest
 
  WHEN: Sunday, March 22, 1992.  Doors open for general admission
        at 8AM  and for Vendors at 6AM.  Hamfest will last until 1PM.
 
  WHERE: Arlington Sr. High School, North Campus, located 1/4 mile
         west of the Taconic State Parkway on Rte 55 (Take TSP
         North from Interstate 84).  Poughkeepsie/Lagrange, NY.
         Talk-In on 146.97 MHz (-).
 
  PRICES: Hams and Computer/Electronics Hobbyists:  $4.00
          Tailgating (Weather Permitting):  $5.00 (incl. 1 Free Admission)
          Tables: Prepaid: $8.00 (send to address below),  $10.00 at gate.
             (1 free admission, 1 table)
             Prepaid Reservations: Make checks payable to Mt. Beacon ARC
          Non-Ham Spouses and Kids - FREE!
 
  FEATURES:  - Large Indoor Location      - Free Parking
             - Call Re: FCC exams         - Hot Food and Beverages
             - Amateur Radio Video Shows  - ARRL-Approved
 
  FOR MORE INFORMATION AND FOR PREPAID RESERVATIONS, CONTACT:
     Ken Akasofu, KL7JCQ
     316 Titusville Rd, Apt 4
     Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-2944
     (914) 485-9617
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with design of 70cm Franklin Array
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Oct9.153252.22725@news.acns.nwu.edu> rdewan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rajiv Dewan) writes:
>
>Q:  How should the length of the 1/4 wave phasing stubs be measured? 
>       Some options:  a) from center of the vertical 1/2 wave sections
>                      to the center of the vertical part of the stub
>                      b) length of the horizontal piece (including length
>                         of horizontal parts of any elbows)
> 
>My guesses are to:
>  (1) Use the chart in the arrl antenna book for lengths of dipoles for
>      different wire thicknesses to correct the lenght of stubs and 1/2
>      wave elements and
>  (2) Measure the length as in option (a) above.  The logic being that 
>       the inner surface will be inductive and the outer rf paths will 
>       be capacitative and in the balance, center to center should be ok.
>
>
>What do you think??

Center to center should be fine, but note below.

>Now that I think of it, I could also finesse the problem by figuring
>out the lengths by experimentation.  I could put the 1/4 wave section in
>line with the center conductor of a feed line to an antenna and null
>the reception of a signal by varying the length of the stub.  The deepest
>null would provide the correct length.

This is the best, though tedious, method. You only have to do it once,
then you can just duplicate that item for the other stubs. A tip, however,
use telescoping tubing rather than cut to fit. You *will* cut too much
trying to find the deepest null and butt soldering copper pipe is no
fun. These "trombone" sections are a standard tuning and matching tool
at VHF/UHF, you should have several lying around anyway. So don't feel
bad about wasting material, look at it as building useful test equipment.

Gary KE4ZV
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Using computer power supplies to power rigs?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:20:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Oct7.172010.8030
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct6.191359.13346@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>I've used switching power supplies to power rigs.  Usually used supplies that
>are housed in metal boxes, and sometimes added capacitors on the inputs and
>outputs.  (use 1.5Kv caps on the 120vac line).  I have had to put caps on
>linear supplies to keep the RF from confusing the regulators, so linear
>is no guarentee of RFI proff!

Thanks to everyone who sent me email on my question! The general consensus
is that the computer power supplies are prone to generating RF. Also that
they like a constant load. Turns out that I am buying a linear 12 volt 10
amp power supply from a friend of mine. However I learned the in and outs 
and the pros and cons of using computer power supplies. One thing though 
I always thought computers would be real RF sensitive. Guess not within
reason. 

73 and thanks again!

Jeff

-- 
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |      If we do not succeed,
 jeffj@seeker.mystic.com   |      then we run the risk of failure.
 Infolinc BBS 415-778-5929 |      Vice Pres. Dan Quayle
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:15:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2o1H.4LI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:

>In article <1992Oct11.153900.13146@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer) writes:
>>In article <7117@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes:
>>>I don't think I would have minded the attitudes of the folks at Tel-Com
>>>quite so much if the place hadn't absolutely REEKED of cigarette smoke!
>[much deleted...]
>>>to get out the door before you GAG from the stench is quite another

>>
>>I found your posting scary.  Has it all really come down to
>>discriminating who you do business with based on personal habits?  What
>>next?  Mode of dress out of date?  Don't like their choice in cars?

>Not at all.  Her point is that the smoke is *physically unpleasant* to
>the customers.  The objection is not that _they_ smoke, but that they
>force _us_ to breathe acrid fumes.
*----
It's not a personal issue, it's a matter of good judgement.  Have
you ever looked inside a two-way radio used by dispatchers for a
few years where smoking is allowed?  I've seen chassies that
looked like they were plated in copper, just from the smoke
residue.

Now, you can buy YOUR equipment and components from a smoke-filled
warehouse.  I prefer mine to be undamaged.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: jason.boehm@pcs.sj.ca.us (Jason Boehm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NODE TEST
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: jason.boehm@pcs.sj.ca.us (Jason Boehm)
Organization: PCS-BBS - San Jose, CA - 408-270-4085

Can anyone see this?
                                                                                                           
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From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL DIGITAL COMMITTE REVISED REPORT 9/26/92
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:31:32 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com

The problem with this REVISED proposal is that they still assume that
semiautomatic operation (one attended/one nonattended station) is sufficient
to prevent interference.

This is just plain wrong.  The operator of the attended station is in no
position to tell when the unattended station is interfering with another
station.  There is no way for the interfered with stations to tell the
unattended station (or the attended) station that they are interfering with
them.  As an AMTOR user on 20 meters, I am already suffering interference
to my station from unattended APLINK bulletin boards operating in the
attended/unattended manner the league suggests.

I'd suggest that all unattended operation be restricted to the proposed
automatic control subbands (even if this means that they need to be made
a little wider. 

-Ron
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