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From: mcgill@lds.loral.com (Chris McGill 5471)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on Carol Moseley Braun
Organization: Loral Data Systems
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:56:43 GMT

First of let me say happy New Year to you all, '93 brings me back to usenet after an absence of some two years. I'd like to say Peace to Charles Isbell, good to see him still around. Had him as a TA at GA Tech, so I know he's probably doing a bang up job where he is.

I was wondering how many others saw that broadcast of the SEN-elect Braun's news conference? Once again the press rears its ugly head. I was so angry after 
watching that! I must agree, though, that Ms Braun demonstrated excellent poise and character. She never let them get the best of her, and she hammered them with the facts. I think once the press gets off her back and lets her do her job,
she will prove to be one of the best senators out there.

And for those in the Chicago area? Who was that one reporter, Lynn something, who was such a jerk? asking questions just because *SHE* "wanted to know". Please!

On a side note, I didn't see the very beginning, so I don't know if Ms Braun gave them permission to call her Carol, but it really pisses me off that we can never seem to get the respect of our positions or rank. You don't see the press address a white male senater as 'Bob or John...' it's always Senator. Yet they feelfree to address an AfAm (or other non-white) on a first name basis or without their proper rank/title. I once had the pleasure of working with GEN Colin Powell
(at the time he was a Lieutenant General, LTG) when he was the NSC advisor to Reagan. Some white press puke comes up to him, "Mr Powell, can you tell us...."
So I *reminded* him that he was LTG Powell! Notice how GEN Schwartzkopf was never addressed as MR?!

Peace All, Chris

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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:16:32 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <2B5230E1.8923@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis
Maria Cortese) writes:
>I hate to sound as if I'm lecturing, and I WELCOME any AfAm poster to
>correct me, but I think we're not clear on how we're defining racism.
>
>Racism is the development of premature expectations of a person based on
>their race.  I do it, and I don't like it.  It's really impossible to
>grow up in this country without developing racist expectations.  You 
>can't.  You just can't.  In that sense, American is indeed a racist
>country. 

Interesting that you said that, so let's define racism by Webster's New World
Third College Edition. Racism(n.)_a doctrine or teaching, w/o scientific
suport, that claims to find racial differences in character, intelligence,
etc., that asserts the superiority of one race over another or others, and that
seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races.(wheww?!!)
	First science can prove you can hang an elephant by its tail off of a cliff,
but realistically, I don't think so. So racism is based on the lack of
scientific proof. Help me, if I'm wrong. Now, I really confused. My personal
definition of racism was programs, speeches, or activities that prejuudge
people because of race or nationality. It seems to me that Webster believes
racism is superiority of another based on race? I don't think that's it though.

>THAT is wrong, knowing that
>you have racist tendencies and not working to "deprogram" yourself, as
>one poster put it very aptly.  Here, I think America is making some
>progress, but has a *long* way to go. 

Yes, we have a long way to go, and until everyone realizes that racism is
everyones problem, we'll get nowhere fast.

>Anyway, just because someone calls America a racist country does not
>necessarily mean that it is evil.  The evil comes when people know they
>are racist and do nothing about it.
>
>Regards,
>Janis C.
And I agree, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
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Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:31:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.125955.26578@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <C0GCpD.1pE@panix.com> mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:

[ Black-Nazi style intolerant racial-purist text deleted] 

>       Beautiful post, absolutely wonderful.

Seik Heil, dudes. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: Let's Move MIM News Outta Here...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:32:48 GMT

In article <13060061@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
>
>
>	hey, i'm sorry if i'm steppin' on anyone's toes...
>
>	BUT, is this s.c.a.a or is it a soapbox for the NY
>	Transfer News Service and the MIM?!  shouldn't these
>	postings be placed on alt.misc.news.postings or 
>	something?  o.k., some of the topics are somewhat
>	interesting, but enough is enough!  think for yourself...
>	don't just re-post a news clipping.
>
i think the postings are a good thing.  i always welcome press sources
that are pertinent to this newsgroup that are different from what i read
in the newspapers or on television.  i think they provide grist for further
discussion from anyone with an opinion to advance [whether it is informed
or not].  for instance, maybe you could start discussion threads based on
some of these news postings based on *your* opinion(s) of particular
articles.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13533 soc.culture.asian.american:11356
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:32:24 GMT

In article <72883@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Here's an open ended one - what does Malcolm x mean to you? 
>
>Is it a X cap and shirt? Is it dissing white people?

Just an observation . . .

My brother basically eats, sleeps, and craps baseball, and he told me
that the X baseball caps are also from a Negro League team somewhere.
Just thort it was interesting . . .

Regards,
Janis C.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:y
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:49:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan4.122523.16683@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> by q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu:

> To date you are only the second person to allude to the "conservatism"
> of Malcolm X.  The only other time I have heard this was in a recent
> (Dec 23, 92, I think) issue of the New Republic by Shelby Steele.
> He made a case for the conservative heroics of Malcolm X.

I believe that there have been similar articles in recent editions of 
"National Review" as well.  Also the latest(?) issue of NR has a rather
favorable review of "Malcom X".


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From: sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:06:07 GMT
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693

In article <1993Jan7.202713.29249@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.120856.16695@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
|> >
|> >I know that we can all have some pretty strong suspicions
|> >about his charater; but we have no moral right or logical
|> >basis to make such an attack/judgement.
|> 
|> Isn't it funny that those who accuse me of overgeneralizing, will post
|> in another article about "White America" is racist? (Sure, there are
|> racist parts in America, but it's not just White and not every white
|> is racist.) 
|> 
|> Now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming.. 
|> 
|> 
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Ok, I am convinced.  Stephen Chaney is White. This note convinced me in light
of his other postings.  Why do White people try to pass themselves off as
Black with materials that are fit for the slave days, materials that are
intrinsically racist thinking they might fool people?  Why?  Ah, the status
quo continues as long as we (Black people) argue over useless things.  It's 
red herring.

Let's end this tread.

-Sunny
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:y
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:31:25 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan4.122523.16683@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes in response to
>In article <1993Jan3.231519.11455@athena.mit.edu>,
>femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) comments re S. Chaney
>Comments by Olufemi G Anthony:
>
>> I am amazed at your display of narrow-mindedness and stupidity in making such
>> blanket statements.
>>
>> These are the rantings of a frustrated man. Are you frustrated at your
>> inability to date black women? :-)
>>
>> Any black man who the hates black woman, as this one does, hates himself
>> and hates his mother as well. Go check your head, fellow.
>>
>>You are such an idiot that I don't think you should be taken seriously. BTW I
>>consider myself a conservative, but I don't liken myself to people like Clarence
>>Thomas. They certainly do not represent Black conservatism for me. Try reading
>>Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, or maybe Malcolm was too anti-white for you.
>>
>> Femi.
>>(This is coming from a black man who has been "dissed" and treated badly by black
>>women before for many of the reasons as the idiot who made the origional posting, but
>> but hasn't decided to hate them as a result.) You are fu*ked up.
>=========================================================================
>
>To date you are only the second person to allude to the "conservatism"
>of Malcolm X.  The only other time I have heard this was in a recent
>(Dec 23, 92, I think) issue of the New Republic by Shelby Steele.
>He made a case for the conservative heroics of Malcolm X.
>
>What does conservatism mean to you?  Are there different kinds
>of Black-conservatism?
.
.
.
If the conservatism of Malcolm has anything to do about that
conversation in the "X" movie about the lightweight but evil brains
of sisters that Malcolm and Elijah Muhammad had, then I feel sorry
for these kinds of brothers.
.
My feelings about "conservatism" are obvious.  However, just as
there are many kinds of fruit, there are many kinds of conservatism.
.
I'd rather see brothers and sisters taking a bit out of each basket,
both conservatism and radicalism.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13823 soc.culture.asian.american:11545
From: mike@clubmezz.Berkeley.EDU (Michael T. Itamura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:51:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

In article <1993Jan12.220725.7698@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>golly gee mr. moron:
>
>you're a real frigging comedian aren't you?  my comment is that this post
>is just plain stupid; you have *nothing* to say here, and it's not even
>funny.  i think that that retarded guy in the tv show "wonder years" could
>have come up with a better response than this...
>
Gee Mr Genius:
	I guess I should just ask why you are so disturbed by Asian
Americans who 'act white.'  Tell me why we should not be allowed to 
act in a manner other than the steoeotypical Asian American that you 
desire.
				Mike Itamura
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:7546 sanet.talk.politics:124
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: ANC Disrupt DP meetings
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:43:48 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Some interesting local news unlikely to make this group
otherwise:

In the past couple of weeks the Democratic Party, a mutation
of the former prog. party, have tried twice to hold meetings
in black townships in the Western Cape. On both occasions,
the meetings were forcibly and violently disrupted, by
ANC supporters along with AZAPO and PAC people. 

The second meeting even saw some ANC leaders being assaulted 
by their own members. The ANC has laid all blame on PAC
and AZAPO, but witnesses testify that the ANC was an integral
part of both disruptions. United Nations observers were present
at the second meeting, and were reported to be shocked by the
conduct of those disrupting the meetings. Several journalists
were reportedly assaulted and threatened.

This is not new, it's been happening on the local UCT campus
for years. Just never really makes the news internationally.
Too much in the naive thrall of the civilizing missionary it
seems, bringing "democracy" to the "savage". 

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: 5647ibrahimk@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: riots is Addiss Abebba
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:24:36 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5647ibrahimk@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In a speech to the people of Ethiopia, the president of the interim 
government of Ethiopia stated, while regretting the loss of lives,  
that  the the demonstrators were not university students but rather 
remnants of the bygone Dergue regime of the former dictator Mengestu. He 
further charged that the demonstrators were armed and did not obtained
a permit to wage a rally of any kind as required by law. 


It is worth noting here that the law and order problem in Addiss 
Abeba was worsened last last year with the return of some hundred 
thousand  defeated and demoralized Dergue soldiers from Eritrea. They 
are now  decommissioned and jobless and to a certain extent still 
possess arms. As a result increasing crime rate have forced the 
resident of Addiss Abeba to be home before dark. They are known to 
have rioted and looted twice  last year.

 Last year,the government convincingly produced  evidence that 
the same  people were hired as free lance bandits to incite riots 
by the some ethnic and political groups, mainly by the Amharas. 
The All Amhara People Organization, a small minority  but once a 
privileged  group, have  used the same tactic to express their 
dissatisfaction by  taking advantage of the  relatively  new 
democratic practice in  the country. 


____________________________________________________________________________
Khaled


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: A sick legal system with normal tendencies.
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:52:39 GMT

Having been a costanct reader of this group, I have noticed how
often debates about the "fairness" of the South Africa legal
system come. There is on the one hand those that believe that the
South Africa legal systme has changed and or has always been fair.
Proponents of this view would go at length to indicate cases where
some justice was done, eg the Rikhoto trial etc. or cases where
a white person, usually a male is found guilty of crime against 
black compainants.  On the other hand, there are those that believe
that the system is evil and out to get black.. that such a juniciary
is necessarily sick, anjust, unfair, and racist.  An list
examples of the hostility of the legal system to Black includes, among
other, many of the political trials. 

Unfortunately one finds it difiicult to classify the system as etheir one 
of the two in absolute terms. I have since found it necessary to think of the
sytem as a necessarily unjust, unfair, racist, and biased legal system with 
minor tendancies of fairness. 

any comments on this?
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Seeking Address/Information - Righttech Company
Keywords: Righttech
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:15:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


 I am seeking information and a complete mailing address and
telephone and fax number for a company known as Righttech.

 They produce a product known as a "Bucketheat", a device used
to heat water in homes without running water but having electricity.

 I found this information in an issue of Southern Africa Today, and
would be interested in learning more about this product.

 The address in the article is: Righttech
                                P.O. Box 261221
                                Excom, 2023, R.S.A.

 Thanks !!


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From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:SOUTH AFRICA: U.N. head guardedly optimistic
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:19:15 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1993, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: United Nations
Title: SOUTH AFRICA: U.N. head guardedly optimistic


new york, dec 30 (ips) -- in a guardedly optimistic report on
south africa, u.n. secretary-general boutros boutros-ghali has
said that ''distinct progress'' has been made in the country since
august this year.

the report, released here tuesday, points to ''positive
trends'' towards multi-party negotiations and the re-starting of
the process under the convention for a democratic south africa
(codesa).

but boutros-ghali was critical of the south african government
on the issue of violence.

''there is strong evidence of conspiracy in some quarters and
the use of agents (and) provocateurs to incite and direct violence
calculated to discredit and disrupt the peace process,'' he said.

in particular, the secretary-general expressed ''grave
concern'' at the recent revelation of covert operations
masterminded by ''high levels'' of the south african military
intelligence.

another area of concern was the ''serious deficiencies'' in the
process of investigations by law enforcement authorities, which
has led to the public perception that the security forces were
involved in violent crimes.

boutros-ghali was critical at the status of three security
formations which the south africa government had promised to
disband.

''to date, battalions 31, 32, and koevoet have not been
disbanded. there is a strong feeling in south africa that merely
dispersing their personnel among other military units is
unsatisfactory,'' the report said.

on the issue of improving the security and living conditions at
single-men's hostels --the scene of most of the conflicts between
the predominantly zulu inkatha freedom party and the african
national congress (anc) -- the report says the government is yet
to take steps to implement an agreement between anc president
nelson mandela and south african president f.w. de klerk.

under that agreement, the south african government had
undertaken to fence off and police the hostels as well as protect
them from external aggression. (more/ips)

south africa: u.n. head guardedly optimistic(2-e)

south africa: u.n. head (2)

the anc demand for a ban on the display of ''cultural weapons''
by the rival inkatha supporters has also been reflected in the
report.

reacting to the report in south africa tuesday, foreign
minister roelof botha said the secretary-general was ''not yet
fully aware'' why these problems could not be resolved overnight.

botha, however, made no commitment that the issues raised by
the secretary-general would be resolved quickly as demanded by all
the political groups, including the anc. (end/ips/am/yjc/92)
From: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray Communications)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Help
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:51:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Dear All,

I wonder if any of you could help me in my search for some old BBC TV 
programs which were shown in various frican countries over the last 10 
years or so. Any clues, hints, pointers, advice, etc would be most 
gratefully received (please reply via EMAIL).

The program in question is Dr Who, in particular the old B&W episodes 
starring William Hartnell or Patrick Troughton. This is a cult(ish) 
childrens(ish) science fiction TV series which has been running since 
1963. Many of the old episodes are now not available in this country 
but have been shown by various TV companies around the world including 
African countries like Nigeria, Ghana and South Africa. It is possible 
that enthusiasts in these countries have made and kept home video 
recordings of these episodes and I would very much like to make 
contact with them. Can anyone direct me to any societies / 
organisations / periodicals / specialist shops / individuals / etc who 
could help me out ? Can anyone suggest where I might advertise ? The 
original film prints may well be held by the TV companies and I am 
already contacting one of them (SABC). If anyone can put me in contact 
with others then this would be much appreciated. It is often also the 
case that old film reels falls into the hands of libraries and 
collectors. I would like to explore this avenue too so if anybody 
knows of any please let me know.

Names, addresses and (preferably and if possible) fax numbers would be 
gratefully received.

Any clues, advice, information whatsoever: please drop me a line.

Thank You

Richard Develyn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african