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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:41:40 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 669

In this issue:
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 645
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 665
                           the term "faggot"
                             Missing issues
                          farewell for now ...
                      Neil at King Fahd University
                      Various notes from the week
                       We are lesbian moms-to-be
                           Joe Steffan in LA
                             Freedom Rings
                    GayNet Digest Volume 4 Issue 348
                             Law and Order
                         Re-subscribe me please
                The Pat Robertson (*not* Buchanan) Quote
                      REQUEST FOR INFO: AIDS Quilt
                        OLTL, Wednesday, Aug 26

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From: John Donald Collier <jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 645
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:14:26 EST

I think your commetary was very perceptive. Enough said, I suppose,
but I like to remind people that the US is not the only determinate of
moral values.

John Collier 			Email:
jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au HPS -- U. of
Melbourne		 	Fax: 61+3 344 7959 Parkville,
Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052

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From: hays@cwis.unomaha.edu (Scott Hays)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 665
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 8:42:44 CDT

Merle,

You wrote asking about the series "Are You Being Served", and the
actor in it who plays an obviously gay stereotype.  The actors
name is Jon Innman, forgive the spelling.

I don't know if you watch the show or not, but all of the characters
are stereotypes of people I know from the years I lived in England.
The show is also several years old; at least the episodes that our
PBS station show's here.  I did have a chance to see the newer
series "Are You Being Served, Again."  And all of the characters are
back.

Jon actually, doesn't have a tooth missing.  It's just a case of
not seeing an Orthodontist.  The space between his teeth is natural.
I saw him on stage in one of the Christmas Pantos, and he's just
as funny in those roles.

I don't know about you, but I find the show hilarious and plan
to watch it just as long as they show it.

Scott

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From: aviola@opal.tufts.edu
Subject: the term "faggot"
Summary: What is it's origin
Originator: news@jade.tufts.edu
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:17:44 GMT

Hello Everyone,
		This is in reference to the OLTL posting that purported the
origin of the term "faggot" to be an insulting term hurled at cigarette smokers
when cigarettes were still unfashionable.  I had heard a different story and
wondered if anyone else had heard the same.
	I have a freind who is somewhat of a historian dealing with Great
Britian, particularly the periods dealing with Henry the Eighth and Queen
Elizabeth.  Some of you may have heard of her or read some of her books, her
name is Karen Lindsey.  Anyway, I reccomend her strongly for those who have not
read her works, particularly her feminist poetry. (just don't let any
republicans catch you buyibg such contraband materials!)
	Karen told me that during the period that they were burning witches in
England, they would use homosexual men as kindling, somewhat, for the fire.
Hence, the term faggots as in faggots for the fire.  Evidently it was a greater
indignity to be used to set fire to some other person than to be recognized as
important enough to burn on your own(Once again, I am reminded of the
Republican party.  Beware! BEWARE!) Well, that is the story that I heard and
tend to have faith in.  Has anyone out there heard anything else about the
origins of the word "faggot"?
				-Anthony "appreciation" Viola

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From: <DONIZETI@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 31 Aug 1992 09:33:41 CDT
Subject: Missing issues

I accidentally lost the issues following Volume 5--Issue 665
    There may have been 3 or 4 of them--could someone who
    mighta have these issues send them to me--especially
    those issues that contained the Friday OLTL recap
    Thanks   Merle   DONIZETI@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:32:02 EDT
From: Catherine Moroney <moroney@oldkat.physics.utoronto.ca>
Subject: farewell for now ...

Just wanted to say 'goodbye' to all of you on the net.  Will be going off
email until I next find myself in school which may be a while, who knows?

Have greatly enjoyed my time on the net, reading all of the interesting
discussions going on, both philosophical and those of a slightly lower
tone.  :-) :-)

To everybody on the net:  KEEP WELL!!!

Catherine Moroney

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:58:19 EDT
From: "Michael D. Calabria" <MDCBB%CUNYVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:       Neil at King Fahd University

I have been trying to get through to Neil at King Fahd University and
have been unsuccessful. Neil, if you're out there, please send me a note
so we can get a dialogue going. I kook forward to it. Thanks.

Michael D. Calabria
Baruch College
City University of New York
mdcbb@cunyvm

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Date: 31 Aug 92 09:35:02
From: CJones <CJones.MAILROOM@wylbur.kines.ucla.edu>
Subject: Various notes from the week

                      Various notes from the weekend....
Since I didn't want to send several messages, I thought I might summarize my
thoughts from this weekend into one posting.

I saw "The Living End" at South Coast in the same theater where I saw "My Own
Private Idaho."  A couple of elderly women were sitting in the row behind me.
I swear they wanted to see "Ferngully: The Last Rain Forest" and walked into
the wrong auditoruim.  The first scene of "The Living End" is the world "Fuck
the World" being spraypainted on a wall.  That caused just the first in a
series of gasps from my friends behind me.  Does anyone know of the acting
histories of either Craig Gilmore (Jon) or Mike Dytri (Luke)?  The LA Weekly
said that Gilmore is a soap star.   According to Newsweek, this film was made
for $23,000.  Considering that many of the shots were made at the Dodger
Stadium parking lot, I guess they didn't spend too much on travel costs.

After watching "The Heights" on Fox Thursday, I got into a conversation with
someone at work who said that James Weathers (Alex, the poet/singer) is Drew
Barrymore's boyfriend.  I then read this in TV Guide, which also talked about
Drew's "sexual ambiguity."  It said that she appeared in nude photos with her
boyfriend in a avant-garde magazine.  Now, what magazine was that and did he
appear nude with her?  (Just curious.  It's not often that the John/Yoko thing
happens.)


 Chad Jones
 UCLA Department of Physiological Science
 cjones@kines.ucla.edu
 "He was in major depression for two weeks when Echo and the Bunnymen broke
up!" --Darcy
 in "The Living End"

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:45:24 EDT
From: "Cindy L. Meneghin" <MENEGHIN%PUCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      We are lesbian moms-to-be

I'm sitting here, a little bloated after standing too much the past
couple of days, with a baby kicking more and more each day at several
of my vital organs.  It's kind of a strange feeling to have all this
movement going on inside you and it not be cause for medical alarm. :)  I
mean, after 34 years of thinking that "foreign" movement in your
abdomen is good cause to seek medical remedy quickly, to have all
this kicking going on and being told that it is "normal" and that
you should welcome it, does strange things to your mind!!

That's one of the physical realities of being pregnant.  For the past
year now, Maureen and I have been living an array of physical, emotional,
hormonal, social and psychological realities during our attempts to
achieve pregnancy and live through pregnancy, awaiting the moment when
we will be moms.

In the midst of all this political hype by the GOP on "family values"
I must admit, Maureen and I sure picked a great time to have a baby -
limelight city!  Here we struggled for several years to decide if we were
strong enough as a couple to think of bringing a life into the world; if
we could make the committment, not only to each other, but also to
another human being, to not only be life-partners (FOREVER) but also
be a happy, positive family.  Over our 18 years, we have slipped into
complacency more than we'd ever like to admit.  It's bad enough to
hurt each other, but we wanted none of that with a child.  We had
to be totally sure it was the right, good thing to do for ourselves,
each other and this new life.  Only when we were sure did we begin
the medical process of expanding our family to three.

The other vital consideration was social climate.  We have watched
the "family" evolve into a more varied definition, so that our
child would not be the only classmate to not have a mom, dad and
1 1/2 siblings (and maybe a dog and white fence).  This was very important,
since we could promise a happy home environment, extended family love
and support, friends and employement support, we could not really
control (to any great extreme) the social reaction once our child
entered school.  The time seemed better than ever. And since my
biological clock was ticking, we decided the time was right - last
September.  Who knew we would be facing "family values" one year
later?

But you know what?  We're pretty certain this will blow over once
the election is past us. But somethings we have experienced, which
have caused us some concern may not blow over quite so easily and
they concern the gay community, not the straight community.  Those
"things" mostly revolve around some rejection we have faced from some
gay men and lesbians.

We have met with some negative reactions from both gay and straight
men and women, and while we sort of expected it from straight people,
we were very shocked to receive it from gay people.  Their negative
reaction seems to center on this image of "breeder."  We are said
to be "trying to be straight" if we have children.  We are rejected
as not really be gay/lesbian if we do anything that is defined as
a "straight thing" like having children.

Please understand, this has NOT been the reaction of all the gay/lesbian
people we know, just some of them.  Those who have reacted positively have
been bubbling over like crazy - more so with the men than the women.
This child will have a lot of uncles and aunts!!  But it just dismays
us to face rejection from our own community.

Preparing and facing parenthood is a challenge, to say the least.  But
to have to do so with negative reaction is sometimes disheartening,
especially when you think of what a happy thing we are doing - having
a baby!!!!!  So while I expect and am prepared for the Buchanans, Quayles
and Robinsons - and more than willing to fight them, it kind of knocks
the wind out of you when you face rejection from those you think would
be supportive of your good fortune:  to be building your family.  Does
the gay community think of itself as a family?  If so, does it have
room for all kinds of individual families and does it "value" those
differences?

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:58 PDT
From: Ron Biduk                            <ECZ5RAB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Joe Steffan in LA

Just read over the weekend that Joe Steffan will be in Los Angeles to read and
sign copies of his book "Honor Bound".  The event will take place at "A
Different Light" bookstore in West Hollywood on Wednesday, September 23 at
1:00 p.m.  A.D.L. is located at 8853 Santa Monica Blvd.  For more information
call (310) 854-6601.

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:05 PDT
From: Ron Biduk                            <ECZ5RAB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Freedom Rings

Awhile back someone asked where they could purchase Freedom Rings.  Got the
current "Shocking Gray" catalog recently and they carry a wide variety of
Freedom Rings merchandise.  Rings are priced at $7, necklaces are $12, earrings
are $8, keychains are $8, bangles/epaulets are $15.00, caps are $32 and
suspenders are $52.

I personally have never ordered from this company so I can't vouch for them.
Has anyone out there done so?  If you have, do you have any comments?

Shocking Gray's phone number is (800) 788-4729.

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:18:04 -0400
From: bc256@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William T. Deucher)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 4 Issue 348

Please stop sending my your digest, as my mailbox is overloaded.
my account was tampered with and I do not wish to be receiving your mail.
thank you

-
Chico=Pat Riley, long live the cats
"The time is now"
Bill Deucher bc256

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Date: Monday, 31 August 92 13:39:29 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Law and Order

Netters, this week's episode of "Law and Order" has a gay-theme to it.
A young man is murdered and his father (a prominent senator) doesn't want
his murder to be investigated because he's afraid that a scandal will develop
 because his son was gay. I think "Law and Order" is on Thursday nights
at 10pm (EST)/9 pm (CST) on ABC.  You need to check your local TV guides
for correct time and channel.

Richard Foster

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:01:50 -0700
From: Sarah Broadwell <daphne@mills.edu>
Subject: Re-subscribe me please

Hi, I was on vacation, but now i'm back and ready to get gaynet again.
Please add daphne@mills.edu to the list.
thanks --sarah broadwell

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:11:17 EDT
Subject: The Pat Robertson (*not* Buchanan) Quote

Howdy!
     To clear up a wonderful quote from a fellow Virginia <erk!> that is
being widely misquoted and misattribted over the Net, here's the true scoop,
as paraphrased from The Washington Post of a week ago Sunday:
     Pat Robertson sent out a letter recently to raise money to defeat a
state equal rights amendment that's on the ballot in Iowa.  The effort is
being led by, among others, Phyllis Schlafly (of "Virtuous women are not
sexually harassed" fame).  In this letter, Robertson (*not* Pat Buchanan,
although I'm sure he concurs) wrote: "The feminist agenda has nothing to do
with equal rights for women.  It is a socialist, anti-family movement that
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice
witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
     Over and out.

Mark, Gay Down South in Dixie

[p.s.: The strategic voting list of states will be posted Tuesday, 9/1.  Look
for it!]

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Subject: REQUEST FOR INFO: AIDS Quilt
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 10:16:24 +1200
From: roger@northstar.otago.ac.nz
X-Mts: smtp

Some time ago someone posted the statistics of the US AIDS Quilt. Silly me
lost it! 8-( Anyone archived it? We're displaying the NZ quilt in town at
the moment and it would be good to display the US stats as a comparison.

Tnanks in advance,
Rog.
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University of Otago, P.O. Box 56, Dunedin, N.Z.             AH: +64 3 474 0352
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: OLTL, Wednesday, Aug 26
Summary: Plot synopsis for OLTL Wednesday, Aug 26
Keywords: soap, OLTL, plot summary
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: 	Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:12:05 -0600

Auuugh!  Now I'm *way behind schedule!  The storyline concludes today and
I still have four synopses to write up.  Better put on some coffee... :-)


Wednesday, Aug 26

  Andrew is at the radio station with Luna (eccentric pagan-esque woman
who does a phone-in show) to talk about the Names Project Quilt coming
to Lanview.  He asks Luna if she is absolutely sure she wants to do the
show, warning her that there may be hostile repercussions.

  They start taking calls.  The first one is from a woman who attends the
church.  Andrew recognizes her and asks if her son is having a nice
summer.  She says "No, not since I stopped him from going to that
community center... because of you."

  "About this quilt thing," she continues, "what's that going to prove?"

  Luna interrupts, "Now, Rev. Carpenter, I'm sure a lot of our listeners
woul like to know the answer to that.  What do you think it's going to
achieve by having the quilt come to Lanview?"

  "Well," begins Andrew, "first of all it's gotten us talking to each
other..."

  "It's about being gay isn't it?" interrupts the caller.  "Were you
afraid to ask your own congregation about bringing this `gay quilt'
to town?"

  "This isn't a gay quilt," counters Andrew.  "It represents thousands
of people, all sorts of people, who have died of AIDS, and it's a
beautiful memmorial.  Not only to preserve their names, but also the
little memories, the cherished moments, and all the details of their
lives that made each one precious and unique.  If you come out Friday
I think you'll see for yourself what I'm talking about."

  "No thankyou," replies the caller indignantly.  "AIDS is God's
judgement.  The people who get it deserve it."

  Luna is shocked by this sentiment.  "Excuse me, Mrs. Hansen.  You don't
think that the supreme being [notice, she didn't say God?] would send
the AIDS virus on this planet to punish people do you?"

  "He sent a flood," replies the caller, "why not a virus?"  The phone
lines are really beginning to light up now.

  They take a break.  Even though the callers have been angry and nasty,
Luna remains firm in her resolve to continue. [ I like her.  She'd have
made a good dyke. :-) ]

  They continue taking calls.

  The next caller starts off with "Your brother was a homo, wasn't he?"

  Luna says "I'm gonna cut this one off," and reaches for the button.

  "No, I'm going to handle this," says Andrew.  "If you're refering to my
brother William, he's no longer alive, and I suggest we stick to our
subject."

  "He died from AIDS, right?" asks the caller.

  "Yes, he did," replies Andrew.  "I've never made a secret of that."

  "They're all dying of it.  All the homos.  So why don't they hurry up
and get it over with.  The sooner the better.  It's a plague, like the
black death.  They brought it on themselves, why should I care?"

  "The truth of the matter is," says Andrew, "that children have died
from AIDS, and old people, married women..."

  "Don't give me the `party line', Padre," interrupts the caller.  "It's
homos who get it, and it's homos who die.  The world would be better off
without them, and St. James church would be better off if you would died
too."

  "You just wait a minute here..." starts Luna, angrily.

  "Let this be a warning Reverend.  If you don't shut up and stop
causing trouble, you're going to end up just as dead as your brother."

  The show is over.  Andrew and Luna go back to the rectory.  Andrew
is talking about the congregations efforts to force him out.

  "Do I hear a little bitterness?" asks Luna.

  "More than a little," replies Andrew.  "Especially after those phone
calls today."

  "Well you've gotta know, honey, that's not what all of Lanview feels
like.  If you don't, you're not going to have enough faith to fight
them."  SHe points to William's panel.  "You've got to do it with
something beautiful.  That's the way to do it."

  Luna goes back to the station.  Andrew sits at his desk and discovers
a pile of notes.  He begins reading them.


            I hear they turned out your lights.  You should be
        used to that, you've been in the dark for a long time.



        You want privacy?  Go live in the woods with all the
        other fairys.



        You know what quilts are for?  They're for covering up.
        What are you covering up Reverend?


  "Dear God, I am afraid," he says.  "I'm afraid that I won;t have the
strength to stand up to them tomorrow.  So please, God, give me the
strnegth to overcome hatred, and ignorance.  The strength to overcome
my fear and anger, as well as theirs.  And give me the strength to
forgive."


  He leaves the rectory.  Some big guy comes up to him and says "Your
the homo right?"

  Andrew says "No, I'm Andrew Carpenter.  I'm the rector of St. James."

  "Yeah, your the homo.  It's written all over you."

  "Sir, if you'll excuse me, I have things I have to do..." he begins
to leave.  The big guy punches him, hard in the gut.  He falls and
says "I am not going to fight you."

  "What's the matter?  You too sweet to fight back?"  He strikes
Andrew again.

  "I'm not going to fight you," says Andrew again.  "And may God have
mercy on you."

  The big guy continues beating on Andrew, and spewing invectives.



This is where Wednesday's show ends.  If I get time later I'll try and
get Thursday's done.  I would like to get them all done by tomorrow, but
the way things are going I don't know if I'll be successfull.


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 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
 Civil Rights Are For Queers!    |  Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon

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