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From: bobmcg@castle.edinburgh.ac.UK (Bob McGonigle)
Subject: European X User Group Conference
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:29:26 GMT


EUROPEAN X USER GROUP CONFERENCE 
FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT 

16-17 September 1993

Imperial College, London, UK



This is a first announcement and call for papers and input.

The conference will comprise the conference itself, a choice of
optional tutorials, a vendor exhibition and demonstrations, in the
format that has now become an established feature.

The conference themes will include Multimedia and developing and
maintaining real-world windowing applications.

If you have any papers that you wish to submit in this area, or have any
input in the way of tutorials, please contact the programme chair

       Niall Mansfield <Niall@elmail.co.uk>

If you wish to personally speak to Niall about your papers or tutorials,
Niall will be at the X Technical Conference in Boston this January.


If wish to discuss the vendor exhibit, please contact the conference
chair
       Peter Barton <PeterB@boston.demon.co.uk>

If you have any other enquries, or having difficulty in reaching the
above email addresses, please contact

       EXUG Secretariat
       PO Box 458
       Cambridge 
       CB4 4AA
       Great Britain

       Tel: +44 (0) 223 426534
       fax: +44 (0) 223 420251
From: cdost+@pitt.edu (Constantin D Orogo)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: PC-Xview Remote for Windows and DOS
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Anybody out there have used PC-Xview Remote for Windows or for DOS.
NCD's brochure claims it's 10 times faster than SLIP or PPP. What
applications have you ran on that shows decent performance. Also,
anybody used a Silicon Graphics as the host.

Thanks in advance.
Constantine Orogo, cdost+@pitt.edu

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Cheapest X Option ?
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:39:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: rs6000.1993Jan10.183905.1571
Distribution: comp
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <C0MnMx.G8u@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>chrisw@castle.ed.ac.uk (C Walton) writes:
>: I don't know if this is the right group for this post but:
>: 
>: Can anyone reccomend to me the cheapest way I can get an X Windows
>: setup?  I have been told that Desqview/X on the PC is the one I
>: should go for?
>: 
>: Thanks in advance - Chris (cdw@castle.ed.ac.uk or cdw@dcs.ed.ac.uk)
>
>You should. See my post under 'Running X on a PC'
>

This is true if running X on top of DOS is a requirement.  If you want
X Windows, tcp/ip networking, and don't mind running unix, you can get the
operating system and X-Windows for free (read comp.os.linux), and many of
the clients distributed from export.lcs.mit.edu compile out of the box.
Of course, the linux DOS emulator is only in pre-alpha, so if you need DOS
this solution won't work.  There are also limitations (not all video hardware
is supported, although the vast majority of (S)VGA cards are in one way or
another.  Also, not all mice talk to XFree86 very well).

If using DOS is not a requirement, but using the i386/i486 hardware is,
then linux + XFree86 may be a very viable option for you.

Hope this helps!

Jean.

PS - You can get linux from sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux or tsx-11.mit.edu
/pub/linux.  The SLS distribution is a relatively painless way to get the
complete system (including X and TeX).  Linux is still in beta though (0.99.2)
and is frequently changing, so although it is a very useful and powerful system,
be prepared for frequent upgrades in the kernel, at least until 1.0 comes
out.  XFree86, in contrast, changes only once every 3-6 months or so ...
-- 
Jean Liddle                                 
Computer Science, Illinois State University  
e-mail:  jliddle@ilstu.edu                  
--------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: Ollie.Treadway@launchpad.unc.edu (Ollie Treadway)
Subject: X server on Windows NT
Keywords: server NT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:07:28 GMT

Does anyone know of an X server being developed for Windows NT?  We are 
looking for a X/Motif development system that will allow us to build NT client
applications.



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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: X on IPX/SPX
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:33:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan09.083255.2305@xenitec.on.ca> vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) writes:
>Are there any X-terminals or PC X-servers which run on Novell IPX/SPX?
>I realize I may run TCP on the Novell Network but that is not the question.
>

DESQview/X currently has support for running X via the SPX protocol.  It 
works great.  The question is what do you want to talk to?  The SPX
datagram (currently) will only talk to other DESQview/X machines, allowing
them to interoperate.  Host machines typically do not have capability
to run X via IPX or SPX.  They occasionally use IPX/SPX to access shared
database info or something, but if you ask for an xterm across it it 
just gives you a dumb look...

UNIVEL is also capable of running X across IPX/SPX (I'm not sure which 
they use) and do some other neat things.  As of this exact moment UNIVEL
and DESQview/X can't talk to each other, but Quarterdeck and UNIVEL are
working together on this.


-- 
: Gary Rich : garyrich@qdeck.com
	    :: for tech support- support@qdeck.com
:           : for info        - info@qdeck.com
: 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: chris@ods.com (Chris Atkins)
Subject: Re: alternating window images - flicker in Xlib
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:09:23 GMT

rkc@xn.ll.mit.edu wrote:

: 	I have an C, Xlib based program with a main loop built around
: XNextEvent, and I want to periodically flicker the screen.  I have early
: copies of the O'Reilly books for Xlib, but I cannot figure out a good way to
: periodically send/receive an event that says "change screen now".  The
: peridicity is on the order of 6 times per second.  Can someone send me a code
: snippet, or point me to the correct routine?  Thanks for your help.


If you are using Xt, use a timer proc. Look in O'Reilly Volume 4, X Toolkit
Intrinsics Programming Manual for an example and discusion of using timer procs.in the chapter on More Input Techniques.

Chris Atkins
chris@ods.com

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: raph@panache.demon.co.uk (Raphael mankin)
Subject: Re: Universal random number generator better than just rand() 
Distribution: world
Organization: Solvfield Ltd.
Reply-To: raph@panache.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:26:05 +0000

In article <29257@optima.cs.arizona.edu> azhao@cs.arizona.edu writes:

>Hi there,
>
>Concerning about ANSI-C and POSIX portability of a program, I'm looking
>for a "universal" random number generator. It must be better than just
>rand().
>
Look through the back numbers of the CommACM. Within the past few months there
has been an article on how to write a ``proper'' random number generator.Sorry,
I am not next to my archives and can't look up the issue number for you.

The whole thing is about 10 lines of code.
-- 
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Raphael Mankin			Nil taurus excretum
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: more dumb questions from a dumb beginner
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:38:56 GMT

  I am running X11R5 on Sun SPARCS running SunOs4.1.x. I am having a
great deal of trouble telneting and editing across machines using
xterm. If I am on machine A, in an xterm and I telnet to machine B and
attempt to use more, vi, emacs the screen eventually gets screwed up.
 Is this a lost cause? I get the feeling that it is something xterm
wasn't meant to do. It really doesn't matter what machine I telnet
into by the way.


                                   Jerry Freedman,Jr
From: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Consensys X & Dell
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Organization: Internal Revenue Service, Washington, DC

Has anyone successfully installed the X that comes with Consensys V4 on
a Dell 450SE?  If so, I could really use some help.

-- 
Marshall Lake
...!uunet!{media,mimsy!bogart}!irscscm!mlake
mlake@irscscm.UUCP
From: tchal@tmchome.UUCP (Thomas M. Chalfant)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Compiling X11R4 under SunOS 4.1.2
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 19:50:42 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: My house

To all:

I posted this message a few days ago and got no response.  If someone would
post a reply it would be most appreciated.

I am experiencing some problems getting the standard MIT X11R4 distribution to
compile with no errors.  Could someone offer some help?  Here's a synopsis
of our setup.

Sun 4/600 MP server running SunOs 4.1.2, standard MIT X11R4 distribution.  I
rlogin to this server from my workstation, change to the appropriate directory
and issue:  make World >& make.world
as instructed in the install docs.  This is after making changes to the
site.def, etc.; and after applying patches 1-18.  All patches seemed to apply
fine with the exception of one patch that was being applied to the IBM server
code (which I will not be using anyway).  Hence I ignored this problem.

After looking at make.world, it has a bunch of errors when compiling the
client programs.  The errors have to do with ld and a bunch of undefined
symbols mostly with names of Intrinisics functions prepended with an
underscore.  However, some of these same programs seem to run just fine with
casual observance.

If I automount this same directory tree to my workstation (Sparc 2 running
SunOS 4.1.1) I can compile the distribution just fine (so it seems, haven't
checked it out thoroughly, but very few obvious problems).

I think the problem stems from the server having a different processor and
version of the operating system.  Running ldd on the client binaries generated
on this machine also have one additional shared library linked in: libdl.so.?.?

Does anyone know if this is a noted problem?  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Tom
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: wangbs@casd1.iie.ncku
Subject: Help! How to send events...
Organization: CASD Lab.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:58:34 GMT


  Hi, all :
      My problem is : If I run a applicaion in host A, I want to display the
  same things to host A & host B; for example: display a window containing
  image to host A & B.  Now, if the mouse moves the A's window, it also want
  to do the same action in host B, and vice versa. How can I program it??
      It is better to have a segment code. (I program in Xview toolkit..)
                   Thanks for any response ...    HELP !!!

                                  E-mail : wangbs@locust.iie.ncku.edu.tw
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:20841 comp.windows.open-look:4975 alt.toolkits.xview:1183 comp.software-eng:5241
From: gounares@phoenix.princeton.edu (Alexander George Gounares)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look,alt.toolkits.xview,comp.software-eng
Subject: apeX Announcement: XView-based development tool
Keywords: xview, openlook, hypertext, call graphs, metrics
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: gounares@phoenix.princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

sorry if this is a repost at your site--I accidentally killed the post
here...

Over the past couple of months, I've seen postings in these groups
looking for X-windows software to do call-graphs, comment hiding,
file browsing, version control, etc...

Well, I've put just such a beast on export.lcs.mit.edu in the contrib
directory.  The relevant files are 
	apex.1.1.tar.Z
	apex.1.1.README

apeX includes an Object-Linking Editor, allowing text comments, audio
comments, movies, or just about anything to be "linked" to source code.
Another module allows you to follow the call tree of a program (both calls
to and calls from a function).  Yet another module interfaces to RCS...
Grab the README file (or read the manual :) for more information.

The bundle includes Sun Openwin3 binaries, so you shouldn't need to compile for that platform (it's written in XView and SlingShot, btw).

If you decide to try it, let me know what you think (even if you don't like
it).  If you really like it, well, I'm just about to graduate... :) :) :)

Enjoy!!

alex gounares
agg@cs.princeton.edu
From: rjackson@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Richard L Jackson Jr)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Can't open display error
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:46:35 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA

Hi all,

We have X11 Rel 4 running on Sun SPARCstations 1, 1+, and 2 running
SunOS 4.1.1 and 4.1.2.  We noticed a strange problem lately that we
have not been able to isolate yet.  After invoking xinit and a
couple xterm's, we receive a message "Can't open display" after
a few minutes.  The error occurs when we try to invoke another X
client.  This occurs even if the workstation is idle after the xterm's
are invoked.  Nothing else is running on the system other than the 
normal SunOS processes.  I think the message is coming from the server.

I have seen this message before only when trying to make the condition 
occur (i.e., invoking many X clients to determine the display limit).

Can anyone provide some insight into this problem?

My next step is to debug the server which could be time consuming.

Thank you,
Richard Jackson
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: Running X on PC?
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:50:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.180813.4072@fallst> tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com writes:
>roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>
>>I would recommend not to waste you time and money with one of the X
>>implementations for the PC. Get yourself a copy of DESQVIEW/X - it turns
>>you PC into a useful machine. Not only will you have an X desktop 
>>(with a choice of OpenLook or MOtif window managers) you can also run
>>multiple DOS sessions in fixed or scalable windows, you can run Windows
>>as well. Naturally, being a full X server, you can log onto the SUN
>>and run any X application. Not only that, you get real hardware based
>>multi-tasking and, as icing on the cake, a SUN user can open a local
>>window running a DOS application on the remote PC!
>
>NOTE:  There's a TCP/IP add-on you must purchase to run on top of DVX
>to accomplish all this.  It's about $150 (MSRP), I think.  *AND* you
>must have a TCP/IP transport stack, such as PC/TCP or Lan Workplace
>for DOS running as well.  And a network card, of course.
>

Actually the Novell TCP/IP stack is in the process of being bundled 
with the TCP/IP add on at no extra cost.  It's available now as a "pre-
release" for those that can't wait for a nice install porogram and 
documentation...

tkevans is certainly correct about the network card :-) unless you go
in with SL/IP, but the current version of the Novell transport does
not have SL/IP.  I heard on comp.protocols.tcpip.ibm the next version
is supposed to.
S
-- 
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	    :: for tech support- support@qdeck.com
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.motif
From: jcampos@gmv.es (Francisco Javier Campos)
Subject: Sammi
Organization: Grupo de Mecanica del Vuelo, S.A. (GMV), Madrid, Spain
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:15:01 GMT


I am currently involved in a project to develop a tool
that will run over a commercial product named Sammi. Sammi
is an interface development kit that creates interfaces
with Motif look and feel. It seems that Sammi is being
used to some extent in the USA, but I haven't heard
about it in Europe.


I would like to receive any experiences from those of
you that have used Sammi: advantages, problems,
particular features, comparison with other toolkits as
Dataviews, etc.


Thanks in advance.




Javier Campos                            Ph. +34 1 8072100
GMV, S.A.                                Fax +34 1 8072199
C/ Isaac Newton, s/n                     Telex  48487 GMEV E
TRES CANTOS                              jcampos@gmv.es
28760 MADRID                             jcampos%gmv.es@Spain.EU.net
SPAIN                                    uunet!mcsun!gmv.es!jcampos


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rjackson@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Richard L Jackson Jr)
Subject: Can't open display: additional info
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:30:22 GMT

Hi all,

We have X11 Rel 4 PL14 running on Sun SPARCstations 1, 1+, and 2 running
SunOS 4.1 and 4.1.2.  We noticed a strange problem lately that we
have not been able to isolate yet.  After invoking xinit and a
couple xterm's, we receive a message "Can't open display" after
a few minutes.  The error occurs when we try to invoke another X
client.  This occurs even if the workstation is idle after the xterm's
are invoked.  Nothing else is running on the system other than the 
normal SunOS processes.  I think the message is coming from the server.

I have seen this message before only when trying to make the condition 
occur (i.e., invoking many X clients to determine the display limit).

Can anyone provide some insight into this problem?

My next step is to debug the server which could be time consuming.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
xinit sets the DISPLAY environment variable to unix:0.0.  Even if I
invoke xinit -display hostname:0.  If I changed DISPLAY to 0:0 or
hostname:0 in the xterm window, then I can invoke X clients from that
xterm.  STRANGE.  The following are the DISPLAY values and the result
from executing a X client:

DISPLAY=unix:0		Can't open Display
DISPLAY=unix:0.0	Can't open Display
DISPLAY=:0		Can't open Display
DISPLAY=:0.0		Can't open Display
DISPLAY=      	 	Can't open Display
DISPLAY=hostname:0	Can't open Display
DISPLAY=0:0		Can't open Display
DISPLAY=0:0.0		Can't open Display

Side Note:
1. I didn't realize DISPLAY 0:0 is valid for X11R4.

2. Why is DISPLAY = unix:0.0 even after xinit -display hostname:0?

3. Why does 0:0 or hostname:0 work where unix:0.0 does not?

Thank you,
Richard Jackson
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:20748 comp.windows.x.motif:8328
From: kaskubar@mayo.edu (Bruce Kaskubar)
Subject: unX
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:34:36 GMT

Anyone out there know of a (standard) user interface that runs on  
several hardware/os platforms?

I'm looking for something like X that's not X.

thx

Bruce Kaskubar
kaskubar@mayo.edu
From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: more dumb questions from a dumb beginner
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:33:56 GMT
Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org's message of 5 Jan 93 17:38:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173856.17260@linus.mitre.org> jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:
>    I am running X11R5 on Sun SPARCS running SunOs4.1.x. I am having a
>  great deal of trouble telneting and editing across machines using
>  xterm. If I am on machine A, in an xterm and I telnet to machine B and
>  attempt to use more, vi, emacs the screen eventually gets screwed up.
>   Is this a lost cause? I get the feeling that it is something xterm
>  wasn't meant to do. It really doesn't matter what machine I telnet
>  into by the way.

telnetting does not "carry across" the connection the terminal type of
the local tty.  After you telnet to machine B, you'll find that the $TERM
environment variable is "dialup," "network," or similar and that
	$ stty -a
reports rows = 0 and columns = 0.  more, vi, and emacs depend on these 
parameters being set properly or else they garble the screen.

Set "TERM=xterm" and "stty rows xx columns yy" after telnetting to machine B.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: test
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Electronics
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:39:52 GMT


test

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From: rlh@ukc.ac.uk (R.L.Hesketh)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Positioning xdm-login window
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:46:49 GMT
Reply-To: rlh@ukc.ac.uk (Richard Hesketh)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1993Jan4.174352.22485@mlb.semi.harris.com> kswatek@FREEDOM.ess.harris.com writes:
>In article 9KF@animal.er.bell.ca, blain@blmc45.QE.Bell.CA (Stephane Blain) writes:
>>
>>That's work for width and height, but not for x and y.  I have read 
>>the FAQ, but nothing on it.  There's someone have an idea?
>
>These settings can be changed in the '/usr/openwin/lib/xdm/Xsession'
>file.

I think Stephane wants to set the login window put up by xdm before
any session is started.  I suspect that the xdm in OpenWindows 3.0
is derived from the R4 version of the MIT xdm, which overrides any
settings for x and y with the code ...

    x = (WidthOfScreen (XtScreen (w)) - w->core.width) / 2;
    y = (HeightOfScreen (XtScreen (w)) - w->core.height) / 3;

However in R5 the code is ...

    if ((x = w->core.x) == -1)
        x = (int)(WidthOfScreen (XtScreen (w)) - w->core.width) / 2;
    if ((y = w->core.y) == -1)
        y = (int)(HeightOfScreen (XtScreen (w)) - w->core.height) / 3;

and x and y are set to -1 by default.  So the solution would be
to use xdm from the R5 source (I for one would be interested to hear what
happens if you try this).

Richard
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian)
Subject: xwindows terminal program for DOS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:38:16 GMT


I'm looking for a free xwindows terminal program to run under ms-dos
so that I can call Netcom more interactively.  Anyone know where I
can find such a beast?  Dirk doesn't know.

Kenny