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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Auburn questions
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:34:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.134541.25908@walter.cray.com>, kmartin@sedist.cray.com (Ken Martin) writes:
> 
> 
> Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
> 
> 
> I would like a response from current Auburn students or anyone that 
> follows Auburn football on a few questions that I find myself wondering 
> about at the beginning of the new season:
> 
> *  Do we have many returning players from last year, and if so, will it 
>    help?

According to the papers, only five people are guaranteed starters so far
(Stan white - qb, Fred Baxter - TE, I forget the other 3).  Yes several
players are returning, however the team went 5-6 last year (could have been
7-4, 8-3, POSSIBLY 9-2, but it wasn't).

> *  Is Stan White finally going to produce for us this year?

Maybe.  He knows the offense by now (it is his 3rd year) and he is now
working on his mental toughness.

> *  What's the story on the #1 high school running back from South Carolina 
>    that Auburn recruited?  Is he supposed to contribute this year, or is he 
>    on probation or something?

Prop 48.  Maybe next year.

> *  How effective will Randy Campbell be as quarterback coach given that he 
>    played for AU when we had a wishbone attack?  Are we still going to run 
>    the "I" formation?

Randy had limited ability but Auburn was 20-4 his last two years.  He had
great backs behind him (Bo, Fullwood, Agee, Lionel James,...) but he also
didn't make mistakes.  His mental attitude was great.  He is supposed to be
working with Stan in that area.

> *  Has Pat Dye gotten back to his old self after the stress of last year?  
>    Will he be able to do a good job?

Who knows?  He claims everything is back to normal (or nearly so).

> *  What is the latest on the Eric Ramsey crap?  NCAA investigation or 
>    not--and when?

Silence.  The NCAA hasn't sent a letter yet.  Auburn then has 90 days to
respond.  Sanctions, if any, might come after the season.

> 
> Any other news or interesting facts about this year's team would be 
> appreciated.

The secondary is young and inexperienced.  Much of the team is slowed by
injuries.

> 
> Ken Martin
> 
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From: dwray@convex.com (Daryl Wray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: LSU/A&M Spread?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:59:10 GMT
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In article <1992Sep1.173850.15767@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
> Has anybody seen the line on this game? If so, please post it. Thanks.
>
>

From the DMN:

Opened at A&M by 9 1/2.  Today it stands at A&M by 9.

daryl
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The vote of Ivan Maisel of the Dallas Morning News
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:01:05 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu wrote:

}Mr. Ivan Maisel of the Dallas Morning News is one of the voters of the
}weekly AP poll. His votes were listed in the sports section of yesterday's
}Dallas Morning News. Surprisingly enough, he ranked Forida State as 
}#10, Michigan #13, Alabama #4, and Memphis State #19!
}
}I am curious to know if such a vote is considered to be normal? Or how
}far can one go without being warned for unreasonable rankings?
}Listed below is a complete top 25 ranking by Mr. Maisel, and I computed
}the absolute and average error of his rankings:

I'm a little disturbed by your use of the term "error" in describing
this guy's rankings.  "Error" generally means the difference between
an estimate and the truth.  The overall AP rankings are no more the
"truth" than Mr. Maisel's rankings.

All this guy is trying to do is guess how these teams will finish
up this season.  Is he not allowed to speculate that Florida State
might have a slightly down year and that Memphis State might actually
be pretty good?  Now if Florida State starts the season 9-0 and the
guy continues to leave them at #10 you may have some complaint, but
until then his guess is just as valid and just as "correct" as anyone 
else's.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: CAN ANYONE BEAT THE HUSKIES?
Keywords: huskies
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:27:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: schaefer.1992Sep2.162753.25627
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics


Wisconsin can.

Well, maybe they'll beat the Vegas line against the Huskies.

(I still think UW will beat UW by fewer than 20 points.)

-- 
Mark McKinzie          	|    We just won't eat on Sunday
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu 	|    Got to buy him a limousine
UW Dept. of Mathematics	|    Somewhere to live, somewhere to pray. 
Madison, WI 53706      	|               -RJD, "TV Crimes"-
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: A&M vs. Stanford
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:53:27 GMT
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In <66980@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU writes:

> 
> Although not an Aggie fan, I too got tired of hearing about "Walsh's genius."
> They only scored 7 points?  Not really mind-numbing offense is it?
> BERNSTEIN,AVRON P

  Indeed.  Were these not the worst announcers?  They didn't know a damn thing
about A&M.  Did they get Stanford "color" right?  All I heard was about how
much of a genius Walsh was, how the Ags were "stymied" on both sides of the
ball.  Crap.  The Cardinal defense played great, I take nothing away from them,
but their offense was stuck almost as bad as ours.  Not until the 4th quarter,
when the Aggie offense FINALLY got moving, did the announcers seem to realize 
that Stanford's offense had been stuffed since the 1st quarter.  Geez.

  And all those long closeups of the concerned face of the Coach.  Gaack!
Somebody finally outdid CBS Sports "Bo Jackson vs. A&M" show.

  Don't get me wrong.  I like Walsh.  He's a GREAT coach.  But this was a bit
much.

  One more thing, it ain't impossible for a team to do well the first year 
under a new coach, if the talent larder is there.  A&M went 8-4 and to a bowl
the first year with RC running the show, not bad considering all that went
down the previous year with the NCAA.  People should not discount Stanford.

(I will admit I thought A&M would win by 17.  Live and learn)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: pellock@athena.cs.uga.edu (Bretamesh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: A college player's thoughts on a stipend...
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:23:11 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens




I play football at UGA - a punter 2nd on the depth chart.
I've been reading the discussion about "paying" athletes.
Quite interesting...

Many people say that the full ride to school is enough, but this is not
at all the case.  I know guys on this team who literaly have a hard time
affording underwear.  The scholarship provides no spending money.
The only money we got last year was the in the form of warm-ups, etc.
for the Independence Bowl.               

It is difficult for many of the football players to work during the summer
because many stay for summer school.  It is very difficult to manage more
than one 300 or greater level major course and do well.  I took BCH 310,
CHM 341(2nd quarter organic) and third quarter calculus this past spring,
which was our lightest football quarter.  I finished with a 3.4 for the
quarter.  I busted my butt for those three courses because we had three
weeks of spring football and then spring workouts. 

One cannot work while going to school and working out during the summer.
Yes, there are summer workouts for those players who choose to stay in
Athens for the summer.  I worked this summer, but my summer was only 7 1/2
weeks long.  It's hard to make spending money for the year in that time.
Sure, some player's parents can afford to provide them with spending
money galore.  This is not the general case, though. The money I made
this summer went to pay car insurance and car repairs. (I have a 1988 Honda
Civic that I bought).  My parents don't have the money to pay for my
car repairs, insurance, or the car itself.  I worked for 6 years for that
car.

Football generates 3/4 of the athletic revenue here at UGA.  For generating
this revenue, scholarship players are paid less than minimum wage for
all the hours they put into football.  Jack Swan (#76) figured it out last
spring.  It's not easy to stomach.  It makes a player think, "Why am I
doing this when I could pay for school and have more free time without
playing football?"  

Monthly stipends would be nice.  I feel that we as athletes should see
more of the revenue we generate.  We invest too much time and effort
in football to not see some of what we produce.  I think this is the
general feeling among college athletes - at least it is here at UGA.

If you don't believe me, ask some college athletes that you know.


Brett Pellock
Punter - University of Georgia
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From: kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt)
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:58:22 GMT


In article <BILLMS.92Sep1175203@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (Willia
m Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.191245.17378@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (
Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>   Yea, you're right.  Michigan was pretty much the only team stupid enough
>   to kick off to Rocket twice in the same game.  Even Miami was smart enough
>   not to kick off to him after he ran one back for a TD.  Could it be that
>   Michigan is even dumber than Miami ... it boggles the mind.
>
>You don't think that the performance against Michigan might have had anything
>to do with Miami's decision, do you Rob?  Dumb or not is a tricky issue to
>settle.  One thing is clear, though: without the Rocket Notre Dame would
>have been wiped that day.
>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>    Bill Mangione-Smith
>    billms@eecs.umich.edu

Sorry Bill, but this is the dumbest kind of argument to be used in sports.
"If Notre Dame hadn't of had Rocket, they woulda got beat!"
First of all, you can't say that! there would have been two more
Notre Dame offensive possessions that would have eaten up clock, and
might have resulted in touchdowns anyway. You *don't* and *can't* know!
Second of all, what is the purpose of this argument? Is it to
build up a defeated UM team? Does this mean that UM was better than ND that 
year?

If that is the case, then I can make the following arguments, that prove
that all of these teams are the best in their sport or division.  *ahem*

"If Michigan hadn't had Elvis Grbac last year, ND would have trounced them."
"If the White Sox hadn't blown all those saves, they would be in first place."
"If Ohio State had Robert Smith last year, they woulda won the big ten."
"If my team scored more points than yours, mine would have won."

The fact remains that Ismail was part of the Notre Dame *team*, and
the Notre Dame team <BEAT> the michigan team. Therefore, the Notre Dame
team of that year was better than the Michigan team. If Michigan had
Rocket, then maybe they would have been the better team. Who knows?

However, facts are facts, and you will not be able to erase that loss, just
as no matter how much I bitch about Grbac being in a zone last year, I
must still admit that Michigan was better last year.

Go Irish!
Karl Schudt
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: ACC Predictions 9/5/92
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:59:03 GMT

In article <67574@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) wrote:
>}
>}                                                           I'm not sure
>}Virginia will get more than 17 points in this one (they rarely break this
>}mark in Sept. it seems).
>
>You're forgetting September 1990, Jay!  59 points against Kansas,
>20 points against Clem(p)son, and 56 points against Navy.  I'm telling
>you, they're going to score 28 points on Maryland.  I was impressed with
>Bobby Goodman against Tech last year, and the Maryland defense has been
>practicing against the run-and-shoot.  They're not going to be ready
>for UVa's power running game or Goodman's mobility.
>
>-- 

Mark, you're a lot more optimistic than I am. Although, I do remember
all of those games you cite. At one point during the Kansas game, the
radio announcer remarked "George Welsh is doing everything possible not
to run up the score and it's not working."

IMHO, the big question mark here is Goodman. If he can make some great 
plays like he did in the Georgia Tech game last year, then UVa should
be able to score plenty. If he comes out flat and makes some mistakes
(like Blundin did last year), then the scoring will be a little lower,
but UVa should still win on the strength of the running game and good
defense. 

We'll find out on Saturday.



-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates)
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:25:52 GMT

>A bad performance by Granger, certainly, but the A&M receivers
>did just fine.  They were open all night, and Schorp got behind
>the defense for a TD twice during the game (only to be overthrown
>badly the first time.)
>
>}                           The one TD was actually a broken play
>}that was more luck than anything else.

Gee, I guess just about every pass completed that game was just luck,
seeing how the qb's on both sides of the ball were fearing for their
lives on nearly all of the plays.

>
>The PAC-10 view of football as displayed on the net is certainly
>interesting.  When Georgia Tech beat Stanford last season in the
>Aloha Bowl, the decisive score was described as "lucky" because
>it was set up by a long punt return.  I have yet to hear Stanford's
>lone score against A&M described that way.  And then A&M's QB makes
>a great play to elude a strong rush and throw and absolutely perfect
>pass to his TE behind the Stanford defense, and that's "lucky" too?
>
Stanford had more than ample opportunity to put this game away early,
and failed to do so.  The game was a really good defensive struggle.
As far as the performance of the offense, yes, I was greatly 
disappointed, but there are reasons for the ineptness displayed:
	1) Stanford returned 10 starters from a good defense
	2) The change of offensive strategy from a running team to
		a passing team means new blocking assignments and
		new blocking schemes.
	3) Granger did not play spring ball, and was not practicing
		until midway through fall drills.
	4) Besides Granger, we have like zippo experience at QB.

You guys can whine all you want about how we got "lucky" and how
we shouldn't be in the top 10, but wait and see how drastically the
offense will change once they get into sync.  As far as the "lucky"
part goes, all I can say is that we were "unlucky" in the Cotton
Bowl.  We dropped a pass at the end zone, fumbled through the endzone
and stepped out of bounds on an interception return for a td. What
goes around comes around.  This could be a major turning point for
the A&M program, we have dropped an awful lot of these ugly games
the last few years.  The great programs are the ones that find a 
way to win the ugly ones, and that is exactly what A&M did in the
4th quarter.

cmuck


=======================================================================
Aggie winning streak ------>   1   and counting
=======================================================================
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From: george@helix.nih.gov (George Potter)
Subject: marshall/appalachian
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:46:49 GMT

Please provide me with the schedules for Marshall Thundering Herd and
Appalachian State Mountaineers for football 1992
From: rszczerb@picasso.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:23:31 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Sep3.135046.24604@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>NCAA director of eligibility Janet Justis said, (Quote from USA Today - they 
>paraphrased her,)"An inquiry into a separate auto loan DuBose received from a 
>Seattle bank uncovered no violation."
>
>DuBose was suspended ONLY for the $600.00 loan from the Seattle couple and has 
>been ordered to pay it back.
>
>Notre Dame isn't appealing, of course, because the school had already suspended
>him.  If they appealed, I believe that he would be allowed to play.
>
>The USA Today is from Wednesday, Sept. 2.
>
>Seeya!
>-- 
>           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
>     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
>      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
>             Win Twins!


Also, the relationship between DuBose and the Seattle couple was
released as well.  DuBose knew them since the beginning of his
sophomore year in high school.  They named DuBose the 
godfather of their child.

I really don't see how the NCAA could justify their suspension of
him.  I think Susan is right ... if ND appealed, I'm pretty sure
he would be allowed to play.

		- Rob
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama in the polls
Keywords: nn
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:35:36 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Sep1.134236.26923@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>Actually from the Pensacola area...  Those northern Florida, Southern
>Alabama types do a good job of fitting this role...  :-)

Shhhhhh! I just told a guy from Clempsun that there are no rednecks in
North Florida!

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: ND football was Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:35:10 GMT


Nothing to add  here just wanted to change the subject line to reflect the 
thread.
RC
From: rszczerb@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:  DuBose
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:20:16 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

I heard that the NCAA decision about the eligibility of
Notre Dame's Demetrius DuBose was due out today.  Has anyone
heard anything about it yet?

			- Rob
From: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Trojan News
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:38:25 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California (USC)
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In responce to Bill's comment:

>  And let me guess, at the Notre Dame Game the USC band will have played
>  their "Tribute to Troy" song one billion times.

>  "That is the only song you know...
>  it's boring and it's slow...
>  We really wish you'd go."

You know it's interesting.  I had a friend that went to the school of
fruits and nuts (Cal).  She had never heard the SC fight song until
the SC vs Cal game.  After hearing the song a few times during the
game she had it pretty well memorized.  Yet on the other hand the new
SC freshman did not remember anything about the Cal band.  Come to
think of it, I've asked Cal students if they knew their fight song -
most said no.  Kinda impressive, being able to sing the opposing teams
fight song on que, but not knowing your own...

I still find it interesting that Russell White wanted to come to USC,
but was not accepted due to poor academic standing.  Of course Cal
took him as quick as possible...

Also, I seem to remember in 1983 I think

USC 66
Cal 0

Fight On!

Brian A. Kowal
From: jpd@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Paying athletes
Keywords: was Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:25:11 GMT
Organization: "Personal Systems Programming, IBM Austin"
Originator: jpd@beany.austin.ibm.com


C'mon, are they STUDENT-athletes or what?
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From: harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin)
Subject: Re: Bama in the polls
Summary: blockbuster bowl
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:52:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.132630.7229@evolving.com>, pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil) writes:
> kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri) writes:
> : In case all you rscfers missed it, Bama is #1 in the new New York Times
> : preseason computer rankings!!! 
> : Computer's never lie! :-)
> 
> However, computers and computer programs are only as smart as the person who
> programmed them/it.   <insert many smilies here :-)  >
> 
> --Pranav
>   (GO BUFFS!!!! )
> 

To add to your smiley faces, BAMA kicked the Buffs butts in the Blockbuster
bowl and it wasn't as close as the score indicated.  We kept helping you
boys to keep you in the game to keep it interesting and help CBS's ratings.

	ROLL TIDE
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pranav Vakil   --   Evolving Systems, Inc.   --   Email: pranav@evolving.com
> 		     Disclaimer: My opinions are my own. 
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