From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:21:03 GMT
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 H> From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
 H> Date: 23 Jul 92 20:33:52 GMT
 H> Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
 H> Message-ID: <1992Jul23.203352.19488@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
 H> Newsgroups: alt.messianic
 H> According to the Reform responses posted by Dan Faigin on
 H> soc.culture.jewish, the official Reform position is that the child
 H> of a "mixed marriage" is Jewish if and only if the child makes a
 H> positive commitment to Judaism.  The argument with Conservative and
 H> Orthodox movements lies in what is required for such a commitment.
 H> However, acceptance of xianity is definitely a sign that the child
 H> has NOT been "brought up Jewish" and therefore would not be
 H> accepted as Jewish by the Reform movement.
That is a valid portrait of Reform thought.  However, mis-representing
Observant Messianic Torah Judaism, as the same as Modern Gentile
Christianity, -is one of the symptoms Ostrich-osis :-)
 H> In either case the child is being raised as an xian and therefore
 H> would not be regarded as Jewish for aliyah.  The state regards
 H> someone who converts (or is practicing) another religion as not
 H> Jewish for the purpose of the Law of Return.  This is for the
 H> secular law only and not according to Halacha.
Well, yes and no.  According to the origional "Law of Return", anyone
who had at least ONE Jewish grandparent was allowed to make aliyah,
as to living in Israel.  The granting of citizenship was given to those
who were "halachicly Jewish".  Later, out of the Balidsford {SP} case;
-[Observant Messianic Jews from Africa, living in Israel], full rights
of aliyah and citizenship were denied those coming into Israel, even
till today.  What is ironic about all this though, is those who were
citizens, and Messianic, before this are still full citizens! Including
many of the Chalootzim, such as for but one example, Rebbe Urbach, who
is one of the founders of the modern Messianic Jewish movement, and
fought in the war for Israel in 48.  Even one of the very first
founders of modern Eretz-Israel was Messianic, [his name escapes me
at the moment.]  As well as the finding, after the fact, that many of
the Falashah and Russian Jews are likewise Believers.  Nevertheless,
the Jeruslaem Post, among others: do NOT believe that a Messianic Jew
should be witheld the full rights of aliyah as citizens.  In fact,
the JP conducted a survey, and over 70% of Jewish citizens feel that
they should be accorded full rights, and be allowed to make aliyah
and be full citizens with NO restrictions at all!  I think the secular
law will change.  After all, it's kind of ignorant to let buddist,
moonie, etc...., Jews into the country as citizens; and yet restrict
Observant Messianic Jews, simply because they believe that Y'shua is
HaMashiach; while continuing practicing the Mitzvot of Torah.  ...We
shall see....

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