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From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enemy Within
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:49:18 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <1992Sep28.130715.28138@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
> The latest TOS episode shown on the beeb was "The Enemy Within", this is the
> one where Kirk gets split into *good* and *bad* halves by a transporter
> malfunction.

> A fairly good episode, one things always puzzled me. If the transporter was
> broken why didn't they send down a shuttlecraft to pick up Sulu and co?

That was what I thought, too.  It seems that they did not have enough money
at that time to build a shuttle craft prop and do the special effects.

-john-

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: STTNG vs. Dr. Who (was RE: Saturday Night Review)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 05:53:31 GMT

>CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>Let's get serious for a moment!  Dr. Who has been going for, what,
>>twenty five years?  Are you saying you've never seen any really bad
>>episodes of Dr. Who?  I remember seeing an old episode recently in
>>which Dr. Who was facing aliens that looked like giant insects.  Boring.
>>What about the way Dr. Who always had new companions to replace the ones
>>that left.  How convenient!  

Yeah, so? Maybe the Doctor like travelling with companions. You think he'd 
allow all those humans on his TARDIS if he didn't?

>>Also, isn't it a bit of a coincidence the way he and
>>the Master meet so often? 

Not really. The Master has this over-riding desire to destroy the Doctor.
He makes it a point to track the Doctor down.

>>How come they can always agree on when was
>>the last time they met?

Uh, maybe because they were both there at the time?



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From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
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Subject: Re: Twain dead? NOT
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:13:48 GMT

In article <80687@ut-emx.uucp> aodn174@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)  
writes:


> >the watch, then Twain would be almost dead. And I believe he spent
> 
> Actually, if I remember correctly, Twain didn't die until 1910,

Fact is, Twain was famous for his quote about Halley's Comet, which I don't
remember word for word, but he did fulfill his quote in that he was born at
one visit of Halley's Comet and died at another visit of the same.  And, 
I'm not sure of the date, but one visit of the comet was in 1856 and another
in 1910.  Therefore, he most certainly would have been alive for the episode.

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:12:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Mistake in Borg episode
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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The biggest mistake was when Hugh asked Geordi 'Do I have a name' long before
he was given a sense of individualism.

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From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:49 GMT

In article <16870A551.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.110408.5500@gw.wmich.edu>
>adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>>I have only skimmed this thread but had to comment on the above. I pay for
>>cable and everytime a commercial aires I pay *again*.  I pay then *again*
>>when I purchase a product 'cuz a % of the purchase price paid for the ad
>>that appeared on a cable channel that I paid to watch. God, I have a
>>headache.
> 
>When a commercial airs, you only pay in time, not money.
 
Well, the premise used to be: if it's commercial TV, then the 
programming is paid for by the advertiser and is free to the 
customer.  If it's commercial-free TV, then the consumer pays 
for the programming.  

What I want to know is:  If broadcast stations can operate only 
on advertiser revenue and not need customer revenue then why can't 
the same thing be done with cable (excluding the traditional 
commercial-free pay channels - HBO, atc.)?  After all, virtually all the 
channels I currently get on my cable system carry commercials.  
 
Sure it would be extra cost to the advertising budgets of companies, 
but that's what happened when radio and tv first came into use -- 
the advertising budget had to be expanded from only print to 
cover the new media as well.  

Free (to the consumer) broadcast TV was one of the more marvelous 
business world innovations of the twentieth century and now it looks to be 
going the way of the dinosaurs.  Sigh.


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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:25:34 GMT

In article <67073@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>The 5th season, by the way, was unquestionably better than the 1st and
>2nd.  But it still hasn't approached the 3rd season.  Some people are
>saying that it's because Roddenberry is gone, but GR wasn't all that
>involved with the show by 3rd season because of his already-flagging
>health.  
>PAD

As usual, I feel obligated to point out that it was, in fact, _because_
Gene was so heavily involved in the first two seasons that they were so
poor.  Once that proverbial noose around thw writer's necks was
loosened, some interesting stories became possible.  If GR had stayed at
the helm, I firmly believe that we'd still be getting childish sermons
like "Home Soil" and "Symbiosis".  Appreciate Roddenberry for having
created Trek ... not for his writing ability.


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG movie ???
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:33:56 GMT

In article <tomcat.717891545@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>cs304001@scs.carleton.ca (Chulaka Ailapperuma) writes:
>
>>Does anyone think that someone will make a ST:TNG motion picture ?
>
>Well, rumor has it that Patrick Stewart will not be around for the 7th
>season because he signed up for a stage production.  His character, Captain
>Jean-Luc Picard, will be promoted to Admiral and will make various guest
>appearances.  Commander Riker will be Captain of the glorious Starship
>Enterprise.  About movies...that's the plan after the show is finshed
>it's last season, but riker will still be in command.  No time line for
>the movies though.  I guess it all depends on how the show ends ratings
>wise.  I have a feeling they will fall after Picard leaves...no offense
>to Jonathen Frakes or his character.
>
>
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I don't know about that.  Much as I enjoy Patrick Stewart's performance
and the character of Captain Jean-Luc Picard, I am beginning to think that
after five full seasons the main cast is getting overdue for a big
shakeup.  The series' writers are beginning to bump into the limitations
that their previous works do to them (i.e. originality of scripts is
beginning to thin a little), and a big shake-up in the cast (but not
utter and complete replacement) could very well be the medicine needed
to once again fire the creative juices of the writing teams.  
think on it.  You're a TNG writer. Been there five years.  You know the routine
pretty well and after a while you start to write routinely.  suddenly,
the star of the show moves on, and it's possible Brent spiner could
follow him, and for once, *gosh* it isn't rouutine anymore!  You actually
have some REAL work to do, i.e. introduce some replacement characters
lower in the command chain and get the returning characters settled into
their new more important roles.

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From: kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Kohn)
Subject: Re: TNG in Newsweek
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:27:24 GMT

johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:

>	This week's Newsweek has a reference to TNG in it's article
>on the cultural elite. It had a flow-box on the men's movement, and
>how the idea of it filtered from Robert Bly onto the big time, being
>covered in hit TV shows.

>	It said in Fall of 1991 TNG had an episode that dealt with the men's 
>movement. I assume they mean "Darmok".  

>	What do people think of this interpretation of "Darmok"? That it's
>about men getting away from it all, opening up to each other and
>asserting their manliness in the wilderness? Any comments?

>	Or are they referring to another early season 5 show?


	I know the date is wrong, but when I think Robert Bly and STTNG, I
automatically think of the second season episode, the Icarus Agenda.  In it,
Riker is offered command of his own ship at the same time his estranged
father visits.  He is furious at his father for not raising him well (Riker
does seem to lack some social skills, doesn't he?), and he and his father
spend 45 minutes of the show arguing.

	Finally, they engage in ritualized combat (some sort of futurized
martial arts), and after venting their aggression, they are able to hug
(read communicate).  Of course, having found clarity and wholeness, Riker
realizes he is not ready for his own command.

	This is pure Bly.
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From: jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILEReview: "Realm of Fear"
Date: 3 Oct 1992 20:49:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

SPOILERama...


More birds.



Sigh. This is a late review and I don't really feel like saying much
about this show, so I'll be short.

It was nice to see some progression in Barclay's character -- he's a bit
better at dealing with people, and tries to work around his neuroses.
But Schultz just started grating on me after a while.

More than Barclay, though, this episode bothered me because of the idiotic
"worm in the transporter" mystery. First off, why the hell did the people
look like worms? No reason other than to keep it a mystery. Please.

I wasn't very entralled. I was fairly bored.

Which is why I have little to say about this episode.

Uninteresting plot. Some funny lines bring the grade up a bit, as well
as the POV of the transporter.

Maybe I'll be more generous to this episode later. But not right now.

Grade: C+

Season to date:
Time's Arrow, Part II: B-
Realm of Fear: C+

Next week: It gets worse.

-jason

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From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:50:53 GMT

In article <3750@ra.nrl.navy.mil> harris3@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Kevin Harris) writes:
>In article <90272@netnews.upenn.edu>, chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
>> 
>> Will we all have to pay to watch Star Trek in the future???
>
>My cable system carries the Sci-Fi channel on Basic Cable...meaning it is included with
>the basic channels, and so you don't have to pay extra for it.  I dunno about other cable
>systems out there.

The problem, of course, is that if the Sci-Fi Channel gets exclusive
rights to TOS and TNG and you don't have a cable hookup (or a dish,
while Paramount is still making TNG episodes), you'll be SOL if you
want to watch Star Trek.

(Not to mention that the local cable system has been reluctant to
carry the Sci-Fi Channel...even though they just jacked everyone's
basic rate up $2 so you could get the Disney Channel for "free."  Who
watches the Disney Channel anyway?)

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From: hutto@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Wheres the Prime Meridian? (was Re: Questions on Time's Arrow)
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:05:20 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <2021.406.uupcb@the_matrix.com>, michael.davidson@the_matrix.com (Michael Davidson)  writes:
> 
> JB.Question 1)  I understand how Data knows it's 42 *North*.  Equators
>   .can be defined.  But I thought that east and west lines were
>   .subjective.
> 
> Nope. They're measured east and west of the prime meridian.
> 
Okay then, we know where the prime meridian is on Earth, but how would he know
where it is on a previously unexplored/uncharted world?  Is there some standard
method that has been developed for determining a prime meridian for an unknown
planet, or is this something the general viewing public isn't supposed to 
think about? (:

(I've wondered about this a couple of times before when watching the shows, but
never thought it important enough to think about afterwards.  Now that the
question has been raised, it might be interesting to explore/find out about.)
 
JRH
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:57:30 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Oct1.133957.10022@bsu-ucs.uucp>
00jdbecktel@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
 
>
>I'll tell you why TNG is going downhill...it's too much a family show by now.
>They don't use very technical terms any more and plots are simple.
>In Time's Arrow II, I thought the writers were really pushing the terms when
>Data claimed that a part of his mechinism was really toxic to human flesh over
>a period of time?
>
>It's too family now. No Trekkies, Trekkers, just Mom and Dad.
>They'll probably be at the conventions too.
>
>"No Mom, he's not an albino, he's just dressed like Data. Now go get Nimoy's
>autograph for me."
 
   First, a correction.  The way I saw the episode, the "toxic" part
was something Data had constructed.  It did not come from himself.
   Second, a comment.:  I agree that story-wise, the 5th season was
not up to par with the 3rd and 4th seasons.  Appearently, the writers
did not have a good stock of stories when the 5th season began, whereas
they had a good stock of stories ready for the 3rd and 4th seasons.
However, IMHO 5th season was still a hell of a lot better than the 1st
and 2nd.
   The writers and producers of TNG, appearantly wants to stick to
character stories to keep the budget down.  IMHO character stories are
OK once in a while, but to make almost a whole season of them is
ridiculous.  TNG has good opportunities to tell "macro" type stories
where politics of planets, diverse groups, different cultures come to
clash.  IMHO,  most of their better episodes dealt with the culture
clash and political maneuverings between the Federation, Klingons
and Romulans.  You cannot tell those types of stories in most
regular TV shows.  Worf as a single father is OK, I guess, but if
you do too many of those, it gets to be a cliche very quickly.
   Things don't look too good for the moment.  Since Roddenberry
died, the TNG faction which wants personal conflicts between the
characters seems to be speaking louder.  I would hate to see TNG
degenerate into another LA Law or Thirtysomething clone.
   If they want to lower the budget, and tell more complicated
stories, perhaps they should have more two part episodes.  I know
it's a pain to wait for another week to see the conclusions, but
what kind of a story can you tell in 42 minutes?  (I believe the
original series had 51 minutes of program material.  A difference
of a whole nine minutes!  As a comparison, a Bugs Bunny cartoon
is between 6 to 8 minutes.) ((Though Unification and Time's Arrow
do seem to be rushed, I'll still take the position of more two parters.
However, I don't think I'm quite ready for three-parters yet.))
                                Junsok Yang (YANJUNA @YALE)
 
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 13:06:15 EST

In article <wcsbeau.717607254@cunews>
wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:
 
>This was generally a disaster for everyone, even considering that
>they would be showing the older episodes.  People without cable
>could no longer see ST:TNG at all, and even those of us who did had to
>suffer bad picture quality, mono sound, and generally unprofessional
>presentation.
 
But this is the point:  cable is a paid service.  I've yet to see anyone
respond here regarding the "right" to "free" television broadcasts.
 
>So there you have it.  We have to pay for Startrek, and although the
>situation has gotten better (CHRO now has stereo, and acceptable (but
>not good) picture quality), and I enjoy watching the older episodes, I
>would say that there is noone I know who belives that this is a good
>thing, net-net.  It has good for the cable companies, though - I know
>several people who have subscribed just for ST.
 
Well gee, I have to pay for Showtime or HBO.  What's the point?  If
you don't like it, don't buy it.  I'm not particularly fond of our
local pro football team but I just don't go to their games.  I see these
to be equal situations.
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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph Malloy)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Time's Arrow, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Data, head, time-loops
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:38:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.014958.12595@reed.edu> odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
>
>  I just remembered one HUGE plot hole that TAII both set up and left hanging
>  while reading Tim's (far kinder than I was -- or felt like being) review:
>  How in Hell did our heros -- and later, Mark Twain -- get into the cave at
>  all, especially given that Data specifically said they'd have great difficul-
>  ty getting to it since it was in the middle of an army camp, or somesuch?
>
I may not recall quite accurately, but didn't someone say something
about Guinan's 'connections' getting them onto the grounds of (what was
it) the Presidio?

But even if not, I didn't find it at disturbing.  Certain plot "holes"
in an production that moves in episodic fashion is well known in the
literary-dramatic world (I mean, you don't need to know the details of
every turn of events in normal theatrical events).  That they got there
at all means simply that something was resolved.

Indeed, what we're likely witnessing is some sort of bad editing.  Why
bother mentioning the "difficulty" of getting somewhere unless you hope
to use the solution to that difficulty as part of the plot?  Well, they
probably had to cut some scene in which Twain or Guinan or Date or
whoever manages to get in via some sort of guile.

Now, the old "life spirit sucking" aliens were more problematic to me...

j


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From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: Data's Head deterioration not affecting anything Explained!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:36:42 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep28.045209.17346@reed.edu>  odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
>
>   The metal used in the metal bits of Data's head (the only parts, apparently,
>   to deteriorate, unlike the plastics which must certainly make up the bulk
>   of Data's head) acts very strangely when it decays:  It breaks down into
>   several odd gases and common iron.  Data (having this info, of course) sim-
>   ply misinterpreted his tricorder reading when he checked the deterioration
>   percentage; the iron he detected was from the filing Picard had left, not
>   from decay.  Hence, there was no trouble with Data's head but some dirt.
>
>   Okay:  Maybe not, but I thought I'd at least *try*. ;)

   Ok...here's the *REAL* question.  Why didn't Data see the iron filing
when he was examining his head in the first place on TA I?  I just watched
it again and he does have that flap in the back of his head open...there
is simply NO WAY that Data (being 100% familiar with his own layout) should
have missed it.


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers