From: bruce@godzilla.swdc.stratus.com (Bruce Overby)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Carjackers/Citizens/Life/Guns/Bernhard Goetz
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:01:47 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <13658@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <8691.12607@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, bruce@godzilla.swdc.stratus.com (Bruce Overby) writes:
># 
># And yet, Clayton said *nothing* about firearm laws, *nothing* about
># the life that was saved in San Diego, *nothing* about applauding
># the single older victim. Instead, he recounted the stories in a
># sensationalist manner, with no interpretive comments (other than
># his usual swipe at the [liberal] media), and left it to the reader
># to join in the hysteria. Such a posting might encourage someone
>
>You mean, I provided some information about successes against
>carjackers, and failed to tell people to do the same thing.  This
>is an example of encouraging hysteria?  If I had expressed an
>opinion, I suppose I would be pilloried by Mr. Overby for doing
>that, instead.
>
First of all, *this* is an example of encouraging hysteria:

>1. In Florida, about two months ago, an FBI agent (off-duty) was
>car-jacked.  He gave them the car, then gave him little pieces
>of lead at high velocity.  Bye-bye carjackers.
--article <13505@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton
  Cramer)

*This* would be an example of "provid[ing] some information":

   In Florida about two months ago, an off-duty FBI agent shot and
   killed (two?) carjackers who had confiscated his car and were
   preparing to make their escape.

Second, if you had expressed an opinion, I might have disagreed
with your opinion, but probably not, since you have information
and experience on weapons-related issues that is far superior to
mine. However, notice that Don Baldwin understood that you *had*
expressed an opinion with your original post:

>While I disagree completely with Clayton on, er,  the other
>subject he's kept going in this group for over a year now,
>I feel that he's right on the money in this case.
--article <1992Dec10.213635.28826@igor.tamri.com>
  donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)

So, were you stating an opionion or not? The implication is
clearly that you were.

># who is *not* qualified to repel a carjacker to attempt to do so,
># which could get someone hurt.
>
>Best just to keep quiet, I suppose, and inform no one of anything.
>
Certainly not. By all means, inform people that there have been
successful attempts to thwart carjackers. (In particular, I would
think potential carjackers should have this information.) Just
don't do it in a way that might prompt someone to resist when the
most sensible option--in their specific case--is to give up the
keys and retain their safety.

>
>Remember that liberals are anxious for carjackings to increase,
>so as to enhance popular terror, in the hopes of getting their
>precious welfare/police state in place all the sooner.
>-- 
I'm beginning to think hysteria is the only tool you have,
Mr. Cramer.

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Stratus Computer, Inc.
San Jose, CA


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