HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: RFD: Split, rename alt.alien.visitors
Followup-To: alt.config
Date: 24 Jul 1992 03:30:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starflight.corp.sun.com

A number of netters have suggested that we should have a common
2nd-level name, and I agree. But so far none of them has come up with a
good one. Let's try "strange", so that we have the newsgroup
alt.alien.visitors split and renamed as follows:

alt.strange.ufos	- aerial sightings, close encounters of 1st and 2nd kind
alt.strange.aliens	- close encounters of 3rd and 4th kinds, abductions
alt.strange.circles	- crop circles, unidentified ground markings
alt.strange.mutilations	- strange mutilations
alt.strange.coverups	- official coverups, disinformation, harrassments

All these work except the last. We could try "anomaly":

alt.anomaly.ufos	- aerial sightings, close encounters of 1st and 2nd kind
alt.anomaly.aliens	- close encounters of 3rd and 4th kinds, abductions
alt.anomaly.circles	- crop circles, unidentified ground markings
alt.anomaly.mutilations	- strange mutilations
alt.anomaly.coverups	- official coverups, disinformation, harrassments

Well, better, but still too broad. What all these groups have in common is
their suspected link to aliens. We could try making the second name "alien"
and use a different name for the second group:

alt.alien.ufos		- aerial sightings, close encounters of 1st and 2nd kind
alt.alien.meetings	- close encounters of 3rd and 4th kinds, abductions
alt.alien.circles	- crop circles, unidentified ground markings
alt.alien.mutilations	- strange mutilations
alt.alien.coverups	- official coverups, disinformation, harrassments

Now there is a problem with the first, third and fourth groups -- the
presumed link to "aliens" is too strong while other explanations remain
open.

That leaves one other possibility, using two 2nd-level names:

alt.alien.coverups	- official coverups, disinformation, harrassments
alt.alien.meetings	- close encounters of 3rd and 4th kinds, abductions
alt.anomaly.circles	- crop circles, unidentified ground markings
alt.anomaly.mutilations	- strange mutilations
alt.anomaly.ufos	- aerial sightings, close encounters of 1st and 2nd kind

This last looks to me like the best solution so far. Perhaps others have some
better ideas. Two 2nd-level names convey the degree of certainty of the
alien connection to the events discussed.

Some of the postings now made to alt.paranormal might also belong to new
groups under alt.anomaly if they concern specific events that suggest
something alien, as distinct from something mystical or supernatural.

---

jdr@starflight.corp.sun.com, starflt@uunet.uu.net
Jon Roland
Starflight Corporation, 1755 E Bayshore Rd #9A,
Redwood City, CA 94063-4142, 415/361-8141

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: S1.SRE@isumvs.iastate.edu (Sree)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:17:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.060542.19316@colorado.edu>,
paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>Name: alt.culture.kerala
>
>Status: Unmoderated
>
>Charter:
>
>1]      To discuss the culture of the Keralite people including
>    .....      across the world.
>
I agree with the idea of setting up a newsgroup which would satisfy
the stated goals.

>2]  There is no forum at present on the usenet ...
>
The s.c.i forum does not appear to be an efficient way to convene
ideas and discussions relating to Kerala and its people. It is too
broad in its scope and is useful only to bring together issues that
are of importance at the national or international level for all
Indians. Including discussions of Kerala and its people will dilute
the effectiveness of s.c.i and will not help the Keral issues
either.

>3]  As the target audience is not limited to u.s.a we
>    propose to set distribution world wide.
>
Yes, the distribution has to be made worldwide so that we can get
users of Kerala origin or interested in Kerala to actively
participate in this forum of idea exchange. I support the
establishment of the group.

Sree Nilakanta


>        - Paul Chemmanoor,
>      Manu Komanamana.
>
--
Sree Nilakanta                  |  Imagination is more
Iowa State University           |  more important than
Ames, IA 50011 USA              |  knowledge
s1.sre@isumvs.iastate.edu       |      Albert Einstein
From: rthomas@aludra.usc.edu (Reem Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.culture.kerala
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


I support the formation of this group. As regards to its status of
SOC or ALT well does it really matter. Let's get it going first..

Reem Thomas



-- 
Reem Thomas
Dept. of Biomedical Engg.
University of Southern California.
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From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.fan.raw => alt.fan.r-a-wilson
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:45:33 GMT
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

All I have to say is that it should be alt.fan.r-a-wilson,
if it does get created.

There is a magazine (comics/graphics) called _Raw_ ...
There is also an Andy Warhol movied called _Raw_ ...
... and alt.fan.raw is not a very descriptive name.

--J.
From: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.culture.kerala
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:09:06 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph)
Organization: GE Research


In article <1992Jul23.194607.25874@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, bpmathew@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Bijo Punnoose Mathew) writes:
>
>I too support the creation of the group alt.culture.kerala. I genuinely hope
>truly interesting topics will be discussed or shared in this group, rather
>than pointless arguments especially regarding the north and south.
>Best wishes for alt.culture.kerala. 

  Ditto here.  Soc.culture.indian is the only forum now on usenet where
  we can discuss topics relevent to Kerala.  I used to read SCI sometime
  back, but gave up when the signal to noise ratio and, the animosity
  between various groups and peoples grew to intolerable levels.

  It would be a breath of fresh air to have a forum which is more focussed
  towards the cultural aspects than towards the political aspects as SCI has
  turned out to be now.

  james joseph            joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: CFD: out of body experience newsgroup name
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:14:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.074656.15643@spdcc.com> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:

>In article <65139@apadravya.princeton.edu> bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu
>	(Ben Wing) writes:
>
>> This problem (of hasty newgrouping) seems to come up again and again ...
>> I'm really surprised how many people don't realize that you're supposed to
>> discuss (or at least mention) the creation of a new alt.* group in alt.config
>> before newgrouping it, just to avoid total chaos.
>
>How is one supposed to know?

One could ask, had one a brain.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.lycra
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:46:09 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Jul26.170656.1619@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>  Purpose: To discuss lycra in it's varying forms and uses; where to
> get it, what to do with it, or just plain drool over people wearing
> it..  <grin>

 A hearty nod of agreement from this corner. I look forward to seeing
alt.lycra appear shortly.

-- Porsupah

\      __     /  ---  porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
 \\     /'   //
  \\\__/!|__///  ---           B5fw-cvdvg+(+)k+s++e+p
From: venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (Gopakumar VENUGOPALAN)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.culture.kerala
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:59:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


   The proposal to have a world wide net is an excellent one,as from
   the postings on SCI it is seen that there are only a few from Singapore
   a couple from Japan and a couple from Australia and New Zealand.
   UK has a fair share of posters and ther used to be a poster in 
   Norway.This scarcley accounts for the world.
   The concept of having a net for Keralites would attract more posters 
   from the rest of the world and not the American Contitnent alone.
   Going by the popular joke that there was a Malayalee tea vendor
   on Mt. Everest before Sir Edmund Hillary reached there is clear
   indicator of this enterprising community who have proliferated the
   world in every field .
  WE sincerely hope that this newsgroup would bring them closer.
  It would also be a good idea to give the group a SOC. STATUS
  rather than an ALT. one.
  regards
  gopa
  #######################################################################

  ALFRED E NEUMANN FOR PRESIDENT
  ANGELA E NEUMANN FOR RUNNING MATE

  ########################################################################
From: abd0@gte.com (Alvah Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal for creation of alt.twins
Summary: for twins etc. and parents of twins etc.
Keywords: twins, supertwins, multiples
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:17:54 GMT

A CFV on creation of misc.twins was recently defeated 90 yes to 45 no.  I
still think there's a serious audience for discussing being a twin, triplet,
etc., and for discussing being a parent of twins, triplets, etc.  As others
pointed out in the discussion in news.groups, it would be intended as a
vehicle for all kinds of discussions, not just the kind that arise in
misc.kids.

I'd like to create alt.twins next week, but would like to hear some
discussion first to make sure I'm on track.

--Alvah Davis, GTE Laboratories
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: barr@darwin.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: CFD maybe on alt.tv.90210MP
Keywords: new group
Organization: Population Research Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 13:04:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.161350.16063@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:
>I would like to find discussion or someone who can
>create alt newsgroups.  What me and a bunch of friends are
>looking for is an:
>
>alt.tv.90210MP
>
>for the (yes I know) gross discussion about Beverly Hills 90210
>and the new MP = Melrose Place  goofy drama series on Fox.

Gee, and I thought this was the new "Multi Processor" version.
Well, you're right about one thing, it is a goofy drama series.

:-/

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@darwin.psu.edu
  KILL files means never having to see you're stupid
Xref: sparky alt.config:4789 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:8932 alt.music.progressive:1351 alt.rock-n-roll.hard:273
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.music.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll.hard
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:09:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Jul21.050951.29349
Organization: Introl Corp.

>`>One generalization that can be made about such bands is that
>>they're usually more adventurous than most metal acts, and
>>more challenging to write, play, and listen to.  Lots of dynamics, 
>>time changes, and in general, advanced musicianship are common 
>>characteristics.  Some people call it "cerebral" metal.  Whatever.  
>>
>	Well, since we're being nit-picky, just want to point out that
>it's "alt.music.progressive, not alt.r-n-r.progressive."
>
>>Well?  Shall I do it?  Unless I get major complaints, we'll

YES!

>would probably not call them "cerebral."  (I'm thinking particularly of 
>Iron Maiden as I write this, although there are plenty of other bands that
>would fit this description.)  I don't think that it would be a good idea
>to exlude these groups which have progressive elements just because they
>would probably not be considered, on the whole, "progressive metal bands."
>Whether this will even be a problem, I do not know.
>
>	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>

This is a very important point. I enjoy listening to Fates Warning, QR, etc.
But I also listen to Dokken, Scorpions, and a raft of others along this line.
IMHO, they don't fit into the "real" heavy metal catagory, like say
King Diamond, and stuff like that. But my point is that someone shouldn't
be lynched for posting something they think is progressive metal into this
group.

-Pete
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
Pete Ikusz	Introl Corporation	pete@introl.com
Xref: sparky alt.config:4954 rec.arts.books:13562
From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Robert Anton Wilson
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:39:56 GMT
Organization: The HRC

In article <1992Jul30.083903.12671@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli) writes:
>I am taking Pete's suggestion and crossposting to r.a.b.  So, any interest
>in Robert Anton Wilson, and about starting a newsgroup (probably in alt.)
>about him and his works?

If your system picks it up, its called:

bit.listserv.fnord-l

If it doesn't pick it up, try asking your admin guys...


Tim.

--
                                  |   "Everything is true, even false things."
        *****     B3     *****    | "Even false things? How can that be??"
                                  |   "Dont ask me man, I didn't do it!"
    | ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk // perhaps via nsf.ac.uk if you get desperate..... |  
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.fan.raw
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:48:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.180612.13344@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli) writes:

>I'm sure I'm not the only fan of Robert Anton Wilson on the altnet.  Why
>don't we set up a newsgroup to discuss his works and ideas?  "raw" would
>seem a nice acronym (some way is surely needed to tell this group apart
>from potential others on other Wilson's) and wordplay.

Sounds like a nice idea, except there's already alt.slack.  I haven't
yet met a Wilson fan who isn't also a devotee of BOB's.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: sphilip@cs.ulowell.edu (Sheela B. Philip)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:04:34 GMT

I too support the formation of alt.culture.kerala in the hope that it will
not degenerate into another forum for only flame-throwing, name-calling
and north-south animosity ventilation.

Ben and Sheela Philip
From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD: rmgroup alt.wolves
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:59:30 GMT
Organization: The HRC

In article <1992Jul23.200456.858@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>This group is completely invalid and follows no sense of hierarchy.  It wasn't
>discussed before being created and contains traffic of about one message a
>day.  This waste of space is of several magnitudes greater stupidity than
>alt.music.enya ever was.  Why can't this topic be pushed under rec.pets if it
>is so popular?  If not, why not just throw it into the alt.save.the.earth
>catch-all?

Why remove it? If folks want to talk about wolves, then good luck to 'em.
If you don't like it, don't read it/carry it. I think it sounds kinda
nice, really.  As for structure, and wasted space, what about the *kibo*
groups? OK, Kibo is generally entertaining, but...

Are you jealous of it? Was your little baby sister eaten by wolves? Maybe
you got freaked by "A company of wolves"? Or are you just a net.crusader?

I agree, the possibility of hundreds of alt.<#INSERT animal> seems scary,
but so does alt.smouldering.dog.zone... If it has real people interested
in it, then I feel it should stay. Gerbils and hamsters can, presumably,
go into the alt.sex.* bracket if created by talk.bizarre folks...


--
                                  |   "Everything is true, even false things."
        *****     B3     *****    | "Even false things? How can that be??"
                                  |   "Dont ask me man, I didn't do it!"
    | ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk // perhaps via nsf.ac.uk if you get desperate..... |  
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: CFD maybe on alt.tv.90210MP
Summary: help
Keywords: new group
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:13:50 GMT


Well I am not exactly new to the Usenet, but I haven't
quite had the need for this yet:

I would like to find discussion or someone who can
create alt newsgroups.  What me and a bunch of friends are
looking for is an:

alt.tv.90210MP

for the (yes I know) gross discussion about Beverly Hills 90210
and the new MP = Melrose Place  goofy drama series on Fox.
anyone help here or point me in the right direction...

I know i know, you can throw eggs at the screen now, and I
should have better things to do with my life, but hey
it's fun to turn your brain off for two straight hours!  :-)

.....................................
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  -=-   exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU   -=-
   -                              -

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.visa.us
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:49:13 GMT

bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing) writes on alt.config:

)sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:
)|[Followups to alt.config please]
)|
)|Name:   alt.visa.us
)|
)|Status: Unmoderated
)|
)|Charter:   

  [...]

)|
)|Sridhar.
)
)Hmm, this looks legit enough that maybe you want to get a "real" group?

I don't think it is worth the trouble. If it becomes very popular, I
volunteer to put it into one of the main hierarchies. 

)Perhaps talk.politics.visa or something? (you probably don't have to make
)a special distinction for US visas)

At present "us" visas seem to be the main focus of the visa postings. 

)                                    Also, since it's presumably for people
)in other countries trying to get US (and other) visas, you surely wouldn't
)want to restrict it to USA only.

Ok. 

)ben

Sridhar.
From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:55:07 GMT
Subject: Re: CFD: proposal to create alt.tv.ren.stimpy
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
X-Subliminal-Message: You can quit reading news anytime you want.

In article <CKD.92Jul20234733@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
|Kenn> == Kenn Booth II <kennii@wybbs.mi.org> 
|
| Kenn> I would like to create a newsgroup dedicated to Ren & Stimpy.
| Kenn> Before sending out a newgroup message, I would like to know if
| Kenn> anyone else is interested in a Ren & Stimpy newsgroup as well...
|
|Yes, probably including all of the subscribers to alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy.
|
|(Please look to see if there's already an appropriate group before
|proposing one, folks...)

Hey -- at least he posted to alt.config instead of just sending out a
newgroup.  He could have even misspelled the newgroup, just to make life
more interesting!


ben
--

Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mchundat@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:18:04 GMT

	I support the formation of the newsgroup alt.culture.kerala. I think
that the newsgroup SCI is too general in its scope. Considering the number of
general topics which usually appear on the net, I think that Keralites will
have a lot to contribute. These general topics include movies, politics,
songs and poems etc. Movies in malayalam are some of the best in India and the
number of them produced each year are also very high. Since Kerala is highly
literate the discussions will be more productive. Many of these topics will not
be appealing to the general indian netters and hence the need for
alt.culture.kerala newsgroup.
						Mathai
 
-- 
Mathai Chundattu
Department of Chemical Engineering & Material Science
University of Oklahoma, Norman
OK - 73072
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: CFD: proposal to create alt.tv.ren.stimpy
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<59586@apadravya.princeton.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:32:46 GMT

Ben> == Ben Wing <bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu> 

 Ben> Hey -- at least he posted to alt.config instead of just sending
 Ben> out a newgroup.  He could have even misspelled the newgroup, just
 Ben> to make life more interesting!

True.  I suppose we should count our blessings on this one...

Also, at least he didn't try to put an ampersand in the group name or
anything (though that @%*^!#!! extra dot is still an annoyance).
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.atheism.moderated ????
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:29:02 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
> *another* moderated alt group?
> 
> a moderated *atheism* group?

Yup.  It was discussed in alt.config last month.  I've had trouble getting
the control messages out, so you may not have seen one until recently.

The submission address is atheism@mantis.co.uk.

Queries to the moderator can go to atheism-request@mantis.co.uk.

As for why the group exists -- go and read alt.atheism and see if you still
need an answer to that question.


mathew
-- 
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 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Subject: Re: CFD maybe on alt.tv.90210MP
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:03:59 GMT


Alright.  Who let the screaming teenage females on alt.config?

I'd like to see them, but only for the humor value.

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: sutela@polaris.utu.fi (Kari Sutela)
Subject: Re: New groups for Usenet University
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:51:02 GMT

jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>These new groups (created 22 July 1992) are part of the Usenet
>University.  [A list of new alt.uu groups deleted]

And not a single "For your newsgroups file" entry in either this
article nor in the control messages.  Giving a one line explanation of
the group's purpose in the control message would be very helpful and
corteous.

-- 
Kari Sutela	sutela@utu.fi