From: Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:49:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.194234.27903@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.192506.26872@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger) writes:
>>wasting your breath because you know as well as I that there will never
>>be what you would call proof unless God shows himself to each and every
>>atheist in this world.
>Yes, so what's your point?
>

I guess the point Sir, is that God DID give proof, you just were not there
to witness it. In fact, just back in 1916 Our Lady of Fatima gave yet
another show for all you people, but I guess you weren't there, huh?


>> Every atheist I have ever encountered sticks to the
>>tiring line, "If I didn't witness it, I don't believe it."
>Funny, I don't know anyone who says that. I believe, for instance,

Funny, I don't know you Sir...

>that LIF spectra of CS2 exist, even though I've never actually
>taken one myself. The difference is that my friend who did take
>such a spectrum told me how to do it if I wanted to. If I followed
>his instructions and it didn't work, I'd be kinda skeptical.


What if 70 to 100 thousand people from Portugal told you of the miracle they
saw back in 1917 -- that is, the miracle of the sun? Would you believe these
people (who btw were not all Catholics, but many were instantly converted
at that moment)

>>First of all let
>>me ask you this: Did you witness any of the scientific proofs for anything
>>beyond what one can prove in an ordinary lab setting? Probably not.
>What do you mean "beyond what one can prove in an ordinary lab
>setting"? I've seen individual molecular rovibronic states, personally.
>
>>Thirdly, and I ask this out of sheer confusion myself (and I'd really like
>>true opinions on what you make of this), I am aware that your wonderful
>>scientists have now discovered a way to tap the area of the brain that
>>triggers out-of-body experiences, and that they now in fact have a laboratory
>>where one (with much money to blow) can experience an OOB.
>That's funny. I've never heard of this.
>You have a peer reviewed paper for this, I'm sure.
>

You doubt it? I'd be happy to refer you to the source.

>> Given that
>>after coming back from one of these the person can relay information which
>>occured in other rooms/states/countries/etc while they were 'gone', what
>>do you make of this obvious proof that the human body entails more than
>>its physical being? How would you explain this, and does this not provide
>>a damn good proof that when we die we are only leaving our physical body?
>I don't need to explain this, because I don't even know it exists.
>Sounds like bullshit to me.
>

Tell that to those who have experienced it! You are showing what a narrow
mind you have, just by calling it bullshit when you admit you don't even
know anything about it. tut tut


>>I'd appreciate any input and anybody who would like to know where this
>>laboratory is, I can certainly give you that info.
>I'd settle for a paper in a refereed journal. Surely you have one.

With your snotty attitude, maybe I will just bypass your request. Ask me nice!

>-Ekr
>
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>Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
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Michelle
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