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From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Novell vs Lan manager ??
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:46:43 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

minh@lis.rch.unimelb.edu.au (Minh Tran) writes:

>	Could someone please comment on these.

>	- Speed ?
>	- ease of use ?
>	- compatible ?
>	- popular ?
>	- and anything else appropriate ??

>	I have been told that Lan manager is more compatible than novell
>	Thanks

>	minh

More compatible in what regards?  The LCD (least common denominators) for
PC networks are DOS 3.1 compatibility and NetBIOS compatibility.  Novell
is equal to LAN Manager in both these regards.  What you may be referring
to is how well applications integrate with the network OS.  Microsoft, and 
*only* Microsoft, applications are built to integrate better with 
Lan Manager than Novell.  All other software vendors offer better
integration with Novell if they have any network awareness at all (look
at the recent Borland releases, for example).

The current version of Lan Manager has 2 advantages over Netware 3.11.
First, it shows slightly better performance with load than Netware.  Not
much - but a slight edge.  Second, Lan Manager can handle up to 1000
concurrent users, while mainstream Netware peaks at 250 (but performance
on both drops as you go up, so you may not care to try 500+ concurrent
users).  

Lan Manager is generally considered the most difficult of the 'big 3'
(Netware, Lan Manager, VINES) to administer.

Personally, I think anyone who buys into Lan Manager at this time is
asking for trouble.  Consider the scenario.  Lan Manager was written,
in large part, by 3Com.  3Com is out of the picture now, so all
maintenance and rewrites are the responsibility of Microsoft.  
Microsoft has never written, by itself, a network OS from the ground up. 
Well, Lan Manager is an overlay on top of OS/2 - and Microsoft is
running around touting the inferiority of OS/2 (makes you real comfortable
already, right).  So they plan to move the whole shebang to NT.  Well,
now you have me worried.  I put up a Lan Manager network today and
Microsoft is telling me (1) I have an NOS that depends on an inferior
OS for all of its services, and (2) that I will have to upgrade to a 
new version of base OS (NT) and Lan Manager in the near future, and
neither NT nor the NT-based Lan Manager have been field tested.  Add 
to that the the NT-based Lan Manager will be a major re-write by a
group of folks that have never built, from the ground up, a network
OS and I am starting to feel real queasy.  I think I will wait 2-3
years and see what the NT-based Lan Manager looks like at that time in
comparison to the competition.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: dazz@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.K. Woodman)
Subject: TBMI2 and WATCHDOG.NLM(?) query's
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:11:26 GMT

Firstly does anyone know the location of Watchdog.nlm (used to
automatically clear unused connections).

Second, I have been trying to use TBMI2 while running Windows in
standard mode but when Windows exits the PC freezes with a blank
screen.

My batch file is as follows:

tbmi2
win /s
tbmi2 /u

I am running Windows 3.1 with NetWare 3.11. Anyone struck this problem?
thanks
dazz
From: rick@wet.UUCP (Rick Rutledge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: One quick printing question...
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:33:26 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

newson@eecs.nwu.edu (Bryan M. Newson) writes:

>I am running PS-Print ver. 3.1 on Novell 2.15.  However, I need a package
>that will allow me to print to printers attached to logged off workstations
>. Any (inexpensive) suggestions?

Fresh Technology's _Printer Assist_ will do it.
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"Voici le secret." dit le renard.  "On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur.
L'essentiel est invisible aux yeux." -Antoine de St. Exupery, _le Petit Prince_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: daborton@novell.com (David A. Borton)
Subject: Re: MPR PPP Interoperability?
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:03:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.043022.10740@netcom.com> tbooth@netcom.com (Todd Booth) writes:
>Our (Wellfleet) brouters support IPX over PPP and interoperate with at
>least two other vendors IPX PPP products.
>
>Does anyone know which products that Novell's IPX over PPP (part
>of MPR and WAN Links) interoperates with?
>
>--todd booth / Wellfleet Communications

The Novell Multiprotocol Router will interoperate with any other system
running the Point to Point Protocol, which is an open spec.
I have seen a demo of the Novell MPR working with the Newport MPR, both
running PPP.

David A. Borton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: dandrews@bilver.uucp (Dave Andrews)
Subject: QMS: What is a "Netware Job File Handle"?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:08:14 GMT

I'm writing a printserver without benefit of the developers' toolkit
(yeah, I know, it's a suicide mission).  The information I'm using
is Novell's _Netware System Interface Technical Overview_ and Ralf
Brown's INTRLIST.

The QMS call "ServiceQueueJobAndOpenFile" is documented to return
an int file handle in the book.  But according to the INTRLIST,
INT 21 fn E371 doesn't return an int file handle.  It does return
(as part of the QMS job entry structure) a six byte jobFileHandle.

Now how can I use the proverbial six-byte Netware handle to read
the queue file?

I can't find anything that looks like a DOS file handle anywhere,
but the queue file appears to be opened by *somebody* after execution
of the ServiceQueueJobAndOpenFile call.

Can somebody point me in the right direction?  (I really should
have the toolkit, I know.)

- David Andrews
  dandrews@bilver.oau.org
From: ctoomey@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Looking for Tony Bigras, author of MCMENU.
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:58:40 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Hi, I'm looking for Tony Bigras, author of the excellent Novell-Menu (urgghhh)
cone, MCMENU.

I FTP'd it from MALA.BC.CA, but try as I might, I cannot Email him at the Email
address that he quotes in the docs,

	'bigras@mala.bc.ca'

My Email keeps bouncing, for some unknown reason :-D

Does anyone know how I can contact him?

Cheers,

	- Colm Toomey -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: dandrews@bilver.uucp (Dave Andrews)
Subject: Re: NetWare Programming question
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:56:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.211455.4545@nmsu.edu> smccann@nmsu.edu (Stan McCann) writes:
>
>     I recently purchased the NetWare C Interface for DOS.  I have been 
>experimenting with it and have been able to get user info for just about 
>everything except full name.  Can someone tell me how to read a user's full
>name from the bindery?  Or is it even stored in the bindery?  Is this an 
>oversight in the interface?

According to my copy of the _Netware System Interface Technical Overview_
you can use ReadPropertyValue to read the IDENTIFICATION property from
the bindery.  IDENTIFICATION is supposed to contain the fullname.

Hope this helps.

- David Andrews
  dandrews@bilver.oau.org
From: ctoomey@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: TxLateCollisions - what's a late colloREFRESH
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:56:32 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Hmmm, taking a look under the `Custom Statistics' for the NE2100 Ethernet card
in our NetWare 3.11 server, using `MONITOR' I see the following:

TxLateCollisions:	67

Now, can anyone tell me what a late collision is (I remember reading a
description before, but my mind's to lunch at the mo.) and is such a number
within 24 hours indicative of something horribly wrong with our cabling layout?

Thanks,

	- Colm Toomey -
From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: symbolic and hard links with Netware NFS, how?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:35:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: unlv.1992Nov11.173509.9185
Organization: Too many

In article <case.51.721449567@ucs.sdsu.edu> case@ucs.sdsu.edu (Steve Case) writes:
>In article <case.50.721073976@ucs.sdsu.edu> case@ucs.sdsu.edu (Steve Case) writes:
>>Is there a Netware utility that sets up symbolic and/or hard links with 
>>Netware NFS? From the Netware NFS manual, I gather you must mount the file 
>>server's volume from a Unix box using NFS then use the UNIX "ln" command to 
>>create links.
>>
>
>Nobody knows the answer to this? Using LN from an NFS mount works fine, but 
>I'm surprised there is not a way to do this with FILER or some other Novell 
>utility.
>

I *THINK* that links are part of NW 4.0, or at least the sales
briefing materials I've seen suggest it.


-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Downing the server
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:23:10 GMT

In article <BxKvLH.LwE@acsu.buffalo.edu> v125qmam@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ami R Pflugrad) writes:

This is likely to be as religious an issue as which editor is best....

:-)

>	Just a quick question about network policy.  A LAN in our office
>	is used from 6:AM to 8:PM M-F.  When not in use, it does nothing.
>	(The offices which contain workstations that are attached to the LAN
>	are locked).   Should we be Downing the server everynight?
>	or on Friday night (since there is no weekend use).  Currently
>	its up and running 24/7.  Saving the waste of electricity, are we 
>	doing the right thing?

Aside from the electricity, there are other issues to consider:

	Thermal cycling of the equipment;

	Power glitches.

(Probably more than that, but...) Every time you power up a system, it
warms up. Things in there expand and flex, putting stress on solder 
joints, connectors, cables, and mechanical parts. Powering it off causes
some stresses to be relieved, and others appiled. Over a large number
of cycles, this can cause failure (cracked solder joints, broken traces,
connector pins working loose, etc.). With high-quality manufacturing, the
failure rate is very low, however. Cheaper stuff breaks easier.

Glitches can occur at any time the unit is powered up. The more it's 
powered up, the higher the probability of being hit by one. If you have
a UPS (as every server should), then this is a relatively trivial 
concern.

In our case: I have seven NetWare servers and three Unix hosts. They
are *all* on UPSs, and stay up 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. We
do have people working second shift, and in some cases around the clock,
so it's pretty much mandantory that I keep everything up.



-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma
radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon." As if we wouldn't notice...
From: v125qmam@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ami R Pflugrad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Downing the server
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hi all!
	Just a quick question about network policy.  A LAN in our office
	is used from 6:AM to 8:PM M-F.  When not in use, it does nothing.
	(The offices which contain workstations that are attached to the LAN
	are locked).   Should we be Downing the server everynight?
	or on Friday night (since there is no weekend use).  Currently
	its up and running 24/7.  Saving the waste of electricity, are we 
	doing the right thing?

		Thanks!
		- Ami
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: dvoelker@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Voelker)
Subject: IBM 3812 printer compatible with Novell?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:30:48 GMT

     We're installing a Novell network in our department and would like
to run an IBM 3812 Pageprinter off of it.  So, far, though, we've had no
luck -- the net sends a file, but it doesn't print.  Does anyone know if
a 3812 will _work_ off of Novell?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: mpiet@is.morgan.com (Mark Pietrasanta)
Subject: Re: Building an IPX driver
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:02:04 GMT

In article <ToaTTB1w164w@nzkites.UUCP>, foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker) writes:
|> Would someone please point me to the needed documentation and/or
|> instructions on how to write an IPX driver.  I'd like to write an
|> IPX driver for a serial port, allowing two systems to be connected
|> using just the serial port.  
|> 
|> Thank you very much for your assistance
|> 
|> 
|> Foster Schucker  (foster@nzkites.uucp)  (1-215-458-8354 (voice))


Actually, I think Novell already has support for this (e.g. IPX bound
to the serial port instead of a NIC).  In fact, I think this is supported
at both the file server and the workstation.  This would have it's most
obvious uses for Modem's.

If you go to CompuServe and download some of the ODI drivers, there is
probably either a driver in there or info on where to go.

I'd be interested to hear if you find anything.  Is anyone at Novell 
out there to comment?
-- 
Mark Pietrasanta
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk (Paul Moore)
Subject: Re: Novell vs. Lan Manager, which one do I choose?
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:20:51 GMT

dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman) writes:

>In article <74315@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt2768b@prism.gatech.EDU (JENGLUNG LIN) writes:
>>Our department has a need to purchase a seperate network in addition to
>>existing Novell IPX/NETX.
>>
>>Can anyone tell me about the pro and cons of purchasing another Novell or
>>switching to Microsoft Lang Manager?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.

>Remember, your current forum is comp.sys.NOVELL.  I say, stay with NetWare.  Our
>efforts are not concentrated on workstation software packages like Windoze.  We
>are a NETWORKING company which caters to your networking needs...

>If there is a comp.sys.microsoft forum, you might recieve similar drum beating
>responses in favor of LanManager.

>Remember your audience...


I dont see that that follows at all. comp.sys.novell means things to do with
novell - not"people who work for novell and who only have nice things to say".
It is perfectly reasonable to ask this group for comparisons. I dont expect
Novell to say that LAN manager is batter - but the support people using this
group are probably well equiped to answer that question. What other group do
you suggest the question is posted to?

My answer is dont touch LAN manager. It big slow complex hard to install on
a PC , big on the PC, not so well supported by 3rd parties ....
WHereas Novell is big fast complex to install easy to install on a PC, small
on the PC and well supported ..

My opinions - not my company's
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
Subject: Re: Hack.exe
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:38:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.225206.23788@novell.com> daborton@novell.com (David A. Borton) writes:
>In article <anonymous.1@postman.hsn.no> anonymous@postman.hsn.no writes:
>
>Here am I sitting in a tin can...

"...far above the moon. Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do..."
...dbowie

[sorry netters, I just couldn't resist replying to this bowie reference]:)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: ntprlr@eskimo.celestial.com (NightProwler)
Subject: Re: LPR_GWY is *very* buggy (Was: LPR_GWY gen. prot. error)
Organization: Ghost in the Shell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:42:39 GMT

Keith Brown (keith@novell.com) wrote:
: They'll look after you.

...for $150 an incident.

: So, how's the rest of the product holding up? Done any NFS serving yet?

To be fair, the thing works.  It works well.  No doubt about the NFS part.

: Bit of Xconsole'ing perhaps? :-)

Nope.  No need. ;)~
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Distribution: na
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 19:06:55 EST
From: <ACAD8060@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: MHS docs

Where can I get a copy of the developers docs for MHS?  At one time I had an
Internet address that you could write to and it would send back a copy of
SMF-71.  Does anyone know that address?

 Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: jmfres11@ucs.usl.edu (Karthikeyan Gurnswamy)
Subject: Re: Server Mirroring
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:19:19 GMT

>An alternative is something called No Stop Network from Nonstop Networks
>Limited.  This is a client based solution.  You run a TSR that mirrors
>all writes from one drive onto a drive on another server and thus keeps
>them in synch.  It has other nice features like popping up a msg when
>the primary drive fails and it switches to the alternate etc.  By drives
>I mean network drives that you are connected to.  We only eval'd the
>product on a limited test bed so I cannot comment on how good it is
>in production.  It does however double your network bandwidth requirement
>since each write goes to two servers.  They claim to be network software
>independent.  The brochure says they provide level 3 fault tolerance.
>They can be reached at (212) 481-8488.
>
>Satish Movva
>Small Systems Group                            Bitnet: U37127@UICVM
>Academic Computer Center                     Internet: u37127@uicvm.uic.edu
>University of Illinois at Chicago                      satish@satish.cc.uic.edu

The only problem with this kind of a solution is resynchronization.
That is if one server fails, the other takes over alright, but what 
if the faulty server is fixed ? The TSR solution will not help because
the fixed server must resynchronize and catch automatically to square 1.
That's the catch. With workstation mirroring, you have to run a program
or NLM seperately (if exists) which will synchronize all the modified
files/bindery of the working server to the faulty one off-line with
great care (It'll be nasty as open files cannot be copied off-line).
So the SFT LVL is not 3, but 2.50 (!) One more problem with this kind of
TSR mirroring is when the network hubs go wrong, the SPX times out 
internally and will create conditions of server faults and mirroring
will stop ! Of course on a small setup, you can modify this TSR to
mirror DOS drives (!) or Network to Local mirroring which is the best
feature which you can't get from Novell.

Karthik
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Problems loading spagent.nlm
From: tylczak@alrc.usbm-ccn.gov (Joe Tylczak)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:59:29 GMT
Organization: U.S. Bureau of Mines
Keywords: spagent, rattler.nlm
Summary: it doesn't

In article <tylczak.68.720896023@alrc.usbm-ccn.gov> tylczak@alrc.usbm-ccn.gov (Joe Tylczak) writes:
>From: tylczak@alrc.usbm-ccn.gov (Joe Tylczak)
>Subject: Problems loading spagent.nlm
>Summary: it doesn't
>Keywords: spagent, rattler.nlm
>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:53:43 GMT
>Folks:
>
>We recently go Novell's management agent for our server, put it doesn't seem 
>to want to load (ie trying to load spagent).  It get to rattler.nlm and then 
>we get
>Loader can not find public symbol
>SpxListenForConnectedPacket
>and then dies.  Has anyone else seen this, and what was their solution?
>Thanks in advance..
>
>Joe Tylczak
>
>Internet        tylczak@lisa.alrc.usbm-ccn.gov
>Phone           (503) 967-5849
>
>Bureau of Mines, Albany Research Center
>
>No I don't speak for my employer, I hardly speak for myself
Opps, I found it, I missed the load patch311.nlm, now if I can only get the 
OS/2 software to successfully log in to the instrumented server (it still 
complains about software not being loaded or bad password (anyone know where 
the password for netman is stored on the client??)).

Joe Tylczak

Internet        tylczak@lisa.alrc.usbm-ccn.gov
Phone           (503) 967-5849

Bureau of Mines, Albany Research Center

No I don't speak for my employer, I hardly speak for myself
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Univel Vs. Netware/386 Performance?
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:19:37 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

Does anyone have some specifications on the performance of Univel versus
Netware/386 as either an NFS server or as a Netware server?  

Does the Univel product preserve all of the Novell
file/print/accounting/bindery/etc. capabilities?

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: sfinlay@otc.otca.oz (Stephen Finlay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Novell and the OS/2 client software
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:42:10 GMT
Reply-To: sfinlay@otc.research.otca.oz.au (Stephen Finlay)
Organization: R&D, OTC Sydney, Australia

I have tried loading the 1.3 version of the Novell LAN drivers for OS/2 and
a NE2000 ethernet card...

Unfortunately the system crashes after the loading the drivers!

Are there any newer OS/2 drivers? The disk labeled 1.3 came with my Novell
3.11 package.

Steve

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: vito@well.sf.ca.us (Andris Paul Vitols)
Subject: Looking for a Utility to Throw Tons of Packets at a Server
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:01:26 GMT


I need a DOS or Windows based utility that I can run on one or more PC's
that will send many many packets at a server to simulated a loaded network.

Please e-mail andris_vitols@mcimail.com

Thanks!