HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: What are the first concepts developed by a child ?
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:54:44 GMT

In article <schiller.726512828@hpas5> schiller@prl.philips.nl (schiller c) writes:
>What literature is there is on this question ?

>For example, are the concepts a child develops first those 
>necessary for the description of the world around it, such as
>"object" or "motion" or similars, or are the first concepts
>more of the internal type, such as "hunger" or "pleasure"
>or "cold" ?

Depends on what you mean by "concept."  Could you be a bit more 
specific, and list some relevant things that are *not* concepts?

>Can somebody guide an ignorant physicist towards the relevant
>literature ?

There's a huge body of child cognition research.  Could you tell us a bit
about what you're thinking about in the larger sense?

Roger
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Re: therapist abuse
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:07:12 GMT
Keywords: Questions from a non-subscriber

paulk@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Paul E. King) writes:
>I think that the above kind of says it all.

Well, therapists are abused all of the time by their patients.  However,
that is what they are paid for, and hopefully have the option of
changing careers if they find the abuse overwhelming.

Frank Fujita
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: macko@rtsg.mot.com (Terri Macko)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:01:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.035922.16669@colorado.edu> fedrick@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Kelvin W. Fedrick) writes:
>These are also my thoughts on the matter. I'll just add this; who has more
>of a right to decide when life is or is not worth living that the person
>currently living it. Unless there are some extenuating circumstances which
>render that person incapable of making a rational decision, (e.g. they are
>under the influence of some drugs, having an acute crisis, depression mental
>problem etc.) or which cause the person to make a decision which they would
>probably not normally make, I'm not sure anyone else has a moral right to
>make that decision of whether their life is worth living for them.
>
>-kelvin

I don't believe a person who is stuck can objectively decide for themselves.
My personal criteria in evaluating the quality of life is to question what
a person's capabilities (physical and/or mental), choices, and potentials are.
Someone who is terminally ill and suffering excruciating pain definitely scores
low in each of these categories and may be justified in taking their own life.  
I would hope that they had thoroughly pondered each category before making
this kind of decision.  

A person who is stuck in the physical and/or mental capabilities category but 
who has a variety of choices for change and has the potential for improving 
their quality of life may not be justified in taking their own life.  IMHO 
requisite variety is the key to quality in life.  
-- 
Terri Macko,  Motorola Cellular		1501 W. Shure Drive, IL27-2237
macko@orange.rtsg.mot.com        	Arlington Heights, IL 60004-1497
        These are my thoughts, not Motorola's.  (They normally take
         two years to catch on.)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: harveytj@kirk.aston.ac.uk 
Subject: specific learning difficulties
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  info, references
Organization: Aston University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:40:00 GMT


I would greatly appreciate any info or book recomendations for basic 
research in this area - I am doing a presentation on this theme later this 
month!

		Thanks!
			

				Tamsyn

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Sick of Psychotherapy (was Forgot to Take my Prozac)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:48:25 GMT

In article <1ieno5INN5dc@uwm.edu>, callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan) writes:
> Go find a good counselor...now, not later. The sooner someone sits down with
> you to help sort things out, the sooner you will be back in control of your
> situations. You need another adult to discuss these things with, face to
> face.

This is good advice, of course, and I do appreciate the post and
also some very nice email I've received.  I knew you good net.folks
wouldn't let me down during my attention-seeking behavior.  :-)  One
email reminded me of the Walkers email list and I've subscribed to
that as a more appropriate place to trade war stories.

However, one thing I wanted to post is this:

You know you've had too much psychotherapy when
you find yourself bored by your own life story and start lying to
make it more interesting.

You know you've had too much psychotherapy when
you have the urge to strangle any and all social workers,
psychologists, nurses, physicians, psychiatrists, sympathetic
friends, kindly artificial intelligence programs, etc.

You know you've had too much psychotherapy when
you're no longer embarrassed by public discussions of your personal,
private problems.

You know you've had too much psychotherapy when
you can't bring yourself to read even one more paragraph of any
self-help book without throwing open a window and screaming out
into the night.

You know you've had too much psychotherapy when
you feel guilty about playing hooky from your "appointment" so you
can go to work.

:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

Anyone else?
-- 
Krista Anderson, krista@ihlpf.att.com  or  ihlpf!krista@att.att.com
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, Illinois, USA
    "Silver white winters that melt into spring, These are a few of
     my favorite things...."   - Rodgers and Hammerstein
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: trocklin@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom Rocklin)
Subject: Re: Naive conceptions of intelligence
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:55:51 GMT

Earlier today I asked if anyone had the list of intelligent/unintelligent
behaviors from a paper by Sternberg et al in 1981.

Never mind!  The list arrived today. 

-- 
Tom Rocklin                                  374 Lindquist Center
319/335-5570                               The University of Iowa
319/335-5386 (fax)                            Iowa City, IA 52242

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:38:12 GMT

an2990@anon.penet.fi wrote:
: If a person has no debt to anyone, is responsible for
: no one, (no SO or kids or what-have-you) etc, etc. And
: that person sees no reason to keep 'surviving', what
: is wrong with one terminating his own life ?

I get the feeling that the person asking this question is quite serious. 
If so, what sense, poster, prompted the question?  If there were no doubt,
would you ask?  Examine the source of this hesitation.  What *is* wrong
with it?  What is the problem for you with 'surviving' that you would
consider termination?  

(If you wish to respond privately, my internet address is:

jabutt@sacam.oren.ortn.edu)

Joe Butt 
School Psychologist
@Oak Ridge Educational Network
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: dheisler@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Dave Heisler)
Subject: Re: Sick of Psychotherapy (was Forgot to Take my Prozac)
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:59:38 GMT

> You know you've had too much psychotherapy when

no matter what someone writes you say "been there, done that"

you consider mailing your paycheck direct to eli lilly

you mark your life not by births and deaths but by what
drugs you were taking. "reagan shot, oh yeah, i was taking
... at the time"

you get flyers to join the self help book of the month club.
"this months selection...."

The receptionist at the clinic knows you by your first name, on
sight.

The clinic sends you christmas and birthday cards.

your therapist has special phone and phone line just for you

you have your "favorite" chair in the clinic waiting room

you know the therapist children's names and how old they are

you can debate the relative worth of shamanic voyages against
hero journeys or centering exercises

they give you a key to the clinic so you can open it up in the
morning and close it at night
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:56:31 GMT

| ....it is NOT strictly an individual choice, for this choice will
| affect a LOT of others, whom MUST be considered.  

				-Monica

Who must be considered by WHOM?

Folks sure do like to stick their noses in other folks' business!

						-Alan


Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: schiller@prl.philips.nl (schiller c)
Subject: What are the first concepts developed by a child ?
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:07:08 GMT



What literarture is there is on this question ?

For example, are the concepts a child develops first those 
necessary for the description of the world around it, such as
"object" or "motion" or similars, or are the first concepts
more of the internal type, such as "hunger" or "pleasure"
or "cold" ?

Can somebody guide an ignorant physicist towards the relevant
literature ?

Thank you !

    		Christoph Schiller
		schiller@prl.philips.nl


Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna)
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:42:18 GMT

Steven Zikopoulos (szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
: In <1993Jan8.232527.25070@adobe.com> asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders) writes:
: 
: 
: 
: >| I don't like the idea of someone taking their own life... 
: >| Life is worth living, no matter what anyone thinks.
: 
: >				-Macivor Dawna
: 
: >Why should anyone make such an incredibly important decision
: >based on what you like? I'm glad that you think life is worth
: >living, but are you saying that anyone who feels differently
: >is wrong? Only God is wise enough to make such a judgment,
: >and from what I can see, he seldom interferes.
: 
: >				-Alan
: 
: 
: 
: I am also glad to hear that someone thinks life is worth l nI am also
: glad to hear that someone feels th worth livingo matter what.  How
: ever it isry difficult to respond to thriginaligin post withoutut
: knowing more about his/her background and lifesI agree with A'sith
: Alan's response with respect to "...are you saying that anyone who feels differently is wrong
: ..."
: 

I don't know who wrote the original article.  And again, like in my previous
response, I do not think they're wrong if they feel differently.  That's how
they feel, and no one can change that.  Please go back to my response to
Alan's comment for further info, OK?

: 
: If I *knew* that I was starting to develop schizophrenia; given what
: we know about modern psychiatry and the prognosis for individuals with
: schizophrenia, I would surely take my life to avoid going through that
: hell! (That decision would also spare parents and close friends some
: pain as well)

I agree with you - if there was something I could do to keep myself from
going thru total hell, I'd consider every option.  Even if I had a terminal
disease, I may consider suicide if I can't do anything else to "fix" the
problem.  I think I noted that in my previous response to the original
article.

: 
: Responses?  That's what the net's here for!
: 
: Steven Zikopoulos
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:48:32 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <mjc.726261634@NL.CS.CMU.EDU> mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) writes:
>Some hold that no matter how bad life gets, there's always some reason to
>live.  Others hold that no matter what happens, there's nothing wrong with
>deciding to quit at any time; it's strictly an individual choice.  Between
>these two views is a wide spectrum.  This is largely a religious issue
>(not in the sense of worship, but in the sense of strongly-held views all
>around); you're unlikely to see people changing camps.

Er, not so, it is NOT strictly an individual choice, for this choice will
affect a LOT of others, whom MUST be considered.  


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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: pmuniyap@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pravin K Muniyappa)
Subject: Dreams-Interpret???
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:56:47 GMT

Hi,
     I'm writing this for a friend about her dreams.  Lately she's been having 
dreams about being raped and killled.  She usually doesn't have dreams like 
this and she is wodering what they mean.
                                        Thanks, In advance
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: an2990@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Suicide, part II
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: sci.psychology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:58:03 GMT

[original poster]
OK net shrinks here's your chance...

So far I've received quite a bit of mail. One person
asked about why on anonymous post. I'll answer that
first. I didn't want a flood of 'fundies' trying to
help.
So far to my amazement, I have not got one !!! (I
guess I didn't use the right group to ask my question :-).

The question of friends came up. Of the few people I
can call friends, (and very few) only two give
me any feeling of 'happiness'. But I feel that
I'd be using them if I dumped my problems on them.
I see nost people in the world as being a bunch
of 'loosers'.

Family, forget it.

Until this summer I lived as if the outside world did
not exist, I stayed away from people, basically scared
of forming relationships with anyone.

So I went to a counsellor this summer, not for me but
not important for this discussion right now. She helped
me 'crack my shell' and in doing so, so many of the
things that made me feel why anyone would want to live
in this world are now much more evident, and have just
intensified how I feel about things.

This 'shell' has existed since from being about 4. Now
37. The only good part I see from it is that I have not
been 'brain washed' by society. I.e. I feel I'm 'moral'
but not a christian', I don't need someone else to
tell me how to be good, etc.

Someone asked have you thought about suicide long.
I now know I have been depressed for most of my life,
the idea of why keep it going has come in from time
to time, since I don't have any religious reasons against
the idea of suicide, I never ruled it out. I guess to
answer that question, I have always thought about it.

I have not 'given-up' I have kind of told myself, to
try something different, and see how that works out. So
I'm selling my junk, then my house, but then what, ?
Somehow I feel that the same feelings will just come
back.

A diffenent 'shrink', yes I'm going to give it a try
again. But being a skeptic does not help.

Sorry to ramble, but that is how my mind is working right
now.

Enough dribble for now......
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Newsgroup info wanted
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:10:37 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com's message of Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:49:39 GMTLines: 13

In <1993Jan4.114939.5357@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markn@ssd.comm.mot.com writes:

> Does anyone out there know of a newsgroup or mailing list
> dedicated for people in relationships with someone who's
> been abused, raped or just plain comes from a dysfunctional
> family?  Thanks.

try alt.support


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:20:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: NL.mjc.726261634
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

>If a person has no debt to anyone, is responsible for
>no one, (no SO or kids or what-have-you) etc, etc. And
>that person sees no reason to keep 'surviving', what
>is wrong with one terminating his own life ?

Some hold that no matter how bad life gets, there's always some reason to
live.  Others hold that no matter what happens, there's nothing wrong with
deciding to quit at any time; it's strictly an individual choice.  Between
these two views is a wide spectrum.  This is largely a religious issue
(not in the sense of worship, but in the sense of strongly-held views all
around); you're unlikely to see people changing camps.

If you're looking for a consensus either way, give up.  (It's probably best
not attempted in the sci hierarchy.)

Monica
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt)
Subject: Re: neurasthenic personality
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:55:16 GMT

stephan@kub.nl wrote:
: Hello,
: 
: Can someone explain to me what a neurasthenic personality
: is? And what exactly is the correlated neurasthenic syndrome?
: 
: Thanks!
: 
: -- 

According to PsychINFO, there have been no articles published about
'neurasthenic personality' in the past eight years.  There are several
references to the neurasthenic syndrome and/or neurasthenia, about the
existence of which there is apparently some dispute.  

The abstracts suggest that neurasthenia was previously recognized in the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM), but has been eliminated.  In
other countries, specifically Japan, China, Korea and possibly Russia, it
is still recognized.

One article identifies symptoms of neurasthenia as inattention, poor
memory and a decreased capacity to think clearly and for a long period of
time.  Functional exhaustion of cerebral cortical neurons is suggested.

Arguments against the classification suggest that it is distinguished from
other mental illness such as schizophrenia only euphemistically.  

Until I read the previous posting, I had never heard of it =)

 ------------------------------
|Joe Butt                      |
|School Psychologist           |
|@Oak Ridge Educational Network|
 ------------------------------
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: A simple question about Suicide
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:45:51 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan4.195652.17487@fuug.fi> an2990@anon.penet.fi writes:

>If a person has no debt to anyone, is responsible for
>no one, (no SO or kids or what-have-you) etc, etc. And
>that person sees no reason to keep 'surviving', what
>is wrong with one terminating his own life ?

Nothing.  Want to chat with some folks from alt.suicide.holiday?

  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: curran@pegasus.hks.com (Bill Mills-Curran)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: Re: ABAQUS performance?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:39:03 GMT
Organization: Hibbitt, Karlsson & Sorensen, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pegasus.hks.com

In article <1992Dec21.163409.24714@eng.umd.edu>, sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes:
|> Anyone seen ABAQUS thrash itself to a crawl on a VAX/VMS system? The model
|> in question cruises along happily for 30-40 minutes, then the disk I/O gets
|> out of hand and it gets very s-l-o-w.
|> 
|> 				doug
|> 
|>                     I have talked to Ehud, and lived.
|>   -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --

I assume that you are running version 4.9 of ABAQUS.  When you get
your distribution tape of 5.2 (which went out just before the
holidays), give it a try.  There have been some significant
improvements to the VMS I/O in the new release.

-- 
Bill Mills-Curran (curran@hks.com)
Hibbitt, Karlsson & Sorensen, Inc.	Tel: 401-727-4200
1080 Main St., Pawtucket, RI 02860	Fax: 401-727-4208
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: fpaterek@uceng.uc.edu (Franz Paterek)
Subject: Accoustic Compressor
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:35:31 GMT


Today, I read a two colomn article tagged on the message board of the company
I work for.  It described a device called a accoustic compressor.  I was
hailed as very efficient and needed no cfks to operate.  I gave a very brief
description how it worked but I would like to know more details.

Who developed it and what frequencies does it operate under.  Will we 
see it in the near future in our refrigirator and can it also be used in 
cars?

I would like to get a discussion of this new technique going and would like to
learn more about it.  Altough I am an undergrad, I would like to know more
about the refrigeration field.

Thanx


Harald Paterek
fpaterek@uceng.uc.edu
From: andys@mph.sm.ucl.ac.uk (Andrew Simmons)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
Subject: Address of ADAC
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:56:10 GMT
Reply-To: andys@mph.sm.ucl.ac.uk
Organization: Medical Physics Dept., University College, London, UK

Does anyone have an e-mail address or postal address for ADAC
(manufacturers of Nuclear Medicine software). Either the States
or UK would be great.

Thanks,
        Andy Simmons

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Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
From: chinc@ecf.toronto.edu (CHIN CHIEN TING)
Subject: Re: resisting electromagnetic radiation
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: sci.engr.biomed
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:07:42 GMT

In article <=0+37gn@rpi.edu> kached@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Does anyone know of research collected on the topic of the effects
>of magnitism on the brain?  Isn't there a gland its supposed to stimulate
>(pious)??  What long term effects will MRI have on patients?
>??Dan
>.

There were some decent research into the potential danger of MRI. There 
is the very strond static magnetic (B-zero) field. Theoretically, that
only affects the orientation of the hydrogen nuclei, and shouldn't have
any chemical effects (UV and X-rays are dangerous because they induce
chemical reactions). In practice, there was no reported case where the
B-zero field is bramed. Then there is the RF field, it's actually the
same wave that your TV antenna receives. There is a very slow heating
effect to the body, and in most (all?) machines, there is a monitor
to check that the body is not microwaved (literally!). (BTW testicle are
most sensitive to that problem).

Anyway, I think it's safe enough that I scanned my brain just for the
hack of it, while I wouldn't do that with X-ray or CT.

-- 
CHIN, Chien Ting 
Dept of Physics, University of Toronto                 \ /
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