HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should be free of censorship (was "..not be pornographic!")
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:54:45 GMT

kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore) writes:

[...]
>It's usually load, pure and simple. When ACSnet was first superseded
>by AARNet, several sites had such things, and word got around.  The
>sites collapsed under the load of ftp requests. They got rid of the
>GIFs pronto.
[...]

High resource cost can, in my opinion, a legitimate reason to ban
material. It should not, however, be used as a excuse when the real
reason for the ban is doctrial disapproval.

The resource cost of alt.sex and alt.drugs, for example, is quite low.
Moreover, a ban on these newsgroups saves no network resources because
the material is brought over anyway (many times).

>The 60 minutes thing put some political pressure on some sites in the
>US, but load is the usual problem.
[...]

I don't believe there was any such "60 Minutes" program. There have
been some newspaper stories.

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

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library/selection-workbook.ala
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* Selection Policy Writing Workbook (ALA)

The American Library Association's "Workbook on Selection Policy
Writing". Although aimed at textbook and library book selection in
grade and high schools, it also seems applicable to newsgroup
selection. It includes information about how create a selection policy
and how to handle complaints. It also includes a sample selection
policy.

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library/library.porn.real
=================
* Library Porn -- the newspaper article parodied

A real newspaper article published in the Houston Chronicle. The
parody is in file library.porn.


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library/library.porn
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* Library Porn -- a parody

A parody of a real newspaper article published in the Houston Chronicle. The
parody is by Carl Kadie. It was published in rec.humor.funny.

=================
=================

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-- 
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 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
From: baragry@amdahl1.lat.oz.au (Jason Baragry)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:03:20 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1993Jan12.081015.2515@psych.psy.uq.oz.au>, jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer) writes:
|> 
|> Just my $0.02 worth (for Geoff) from a random point in the discussion:
|> 
|> We can be liberal or conservative,
|> 
[...]
|> 
|> HOWEVER, we all know what the media make of such things
|> in their scramble for advertising ratings, and remember what
|> happened to Prodigy.......
|> 
|> If the discussion of AARNet and its content ever hits shows like
|> Hinch, Current Affair or even 7:30 Report, we all know that the
|> 'outraged (not to mention recession-squeezed) taxpayer' routine
|> will be dragged out, leading to the government imposed 'quick fix'
|> to mollify the supposed 'outraged taxpayers'.
|> 

	A couple of years ago, I remember one of our system admins telling me
why there wasn't an X-rated gifs on ftp-able locations anymore.

	The story was that it used to be very simple to download these picts
from numerous ftp sites and it was quite common. Anyway, 60 minutes (USA) got 
ahold of this and beat it up saying that any 14 year old kid could dial up
a BBS and ftp to his hearts content (assuming he knew what it was he was looking
for). Supposedly, this led to a ban of some sort on x-rated gifs on ftp sites.

	Is this true???

	Also, last year Peter Deutsch (sp?) came out here and gave a talk about
Archie at NetWorkshop. After that he gave a similar talk where I was working
and at the end of it he put a list of stats on Archie - the most popular
requests. It was something like this:

GIF		100 thousands,
*.gif		ditto.
sex		10 thousands
SEX		ditto.
girl.gif	thousands
(big gap)
*.zip		hundreds

I would imagine that AARNet could not be to different to the rest of the 
Internet. There seems to be a fair demand for the stuff that some people want
to ban.

Personally I don't subscribe to those groups but I wouldn't stop others from
doing so...


Jason.
From: root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator)
Subject: Re: AARNet fax gateway
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:35:43 GMT

>>>Yes, it would be *easy* to make this a national facility, allowing FAXes
>>>to be sent nationally around Australia for the cost of a local call. It

>Do you mean a dozen or so well placed machines would cover 90% of possible
>fax machines for a locally priced call?

We could have one common e-mail address, and route it to the correct fax
from there. The major destinations in Aus would be Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne
Adelaide and Perth. That would cover a good 80% of the faxes.

>>You could put the whole thing together for about $1000 (including all hard-
>>ware and software).

>There is also a postscript interpreter available for the Amiga, along with
>a vast range of other PD graphic format converters. Together with AmigaDOS
>v2+ and AREXX scripting, t'would be a breaze to set up.

It would also be posible to use the MINE standards to include pictuers in
the out going faxes. Might even be able to get them back in with MINE bit
maps as well (though thats pushing it).


Dave
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 07:03:11 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au

In article 9737@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU, gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage) writes:
>In article <1hk002INNa1j@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba) writes:
>>Censorship cannot fail but be offensive to people.
>
>But so few people in our western society are truely censored.
>They just whinge that things aren't paid for by others.

Are you serious ? You are an adult right ? Can you watch a movie in this country
that has not been approved by someone else ? They actually take bits out and say
"no I don't think the likes of Grenville should see this" and you never do. It
actually costs more to take the bit out, and support all those public servants
who make the decisions.

Of course I guess you are not truly censored.

I suppose you realize that there are probably still certain actions that you are
not allowed to perform with your wife in the privacy of your own bedroom ? Perhaps
not in this country, certainly not in many states in the US, and absolutely not
in Great Britain. These countries would seem to represent a considerable portion
of western society. But someone has said, "no Grenville should do this, even
though no-one is being harmed by his actions, regardless of whether they are
consensual or not".

Of course I guess this is not truly censorship. (Semantically I suppose it isn't).

My taxes pay for this network. So do yours. If control is exercised over content
because it is not within the charter of research then that is fine by me. I will
lobby to broaden the charter of the network.

But if control is exercised because someone wants to tell me what I can read or
write or think then I will fight them with all due vigour.

There was I time when 1984 passed and I thought that George Orwell had been
mistaken. Now I realize that he just got the date wrong. It was about 40 years
too late.

david
From: atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: AARNet fax gateway
Followup-To: aus.aarnet
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:53:49 GMT
Organization: Murdoch University External Studies
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: esumac15.csu.murdoch.edu.au

In article <1ij7i1INNl3i@csc2.anu.edu.au>, pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter
Elford) wrote:
> 
> Yes, it would be *easy* to make this a national facility, allowing FAXes
> to be sent nationally around Australia for the cost of a local call. It
> only requires money to enable resources to be brought to bear to write
> up a requirements documents, contract out/appoint someont to do the work,
> buy additional UNIX systems and/or copies of the Osiris Software and ZAP!.
> 
> What I have done so far is in-my-spare-time work for the use of Geoff and
> I, and the AVCC. It is not a general access facility.
> 
Oh well, thank you Peter. We really should try to avoid a situation in
which various outfits set up their own solutions. There should be a
standardisation of the ways in which address formats are constructed,
circumstances and ways for refusing to send, and many other aspects, not to
mention the re-invent the wheel problem. The one I am particularly
interested in is transmission to internal fax numbers. That incurs no
Telecom charge of course, so we would not need any protection other than
refusal to transmit to numbers other than internal (my Unit has just
installed a fax modem on a Mac so we can take fax submissions of external
student assignments).

Would the project which Peter mentions be feasible if limited to a smaller
task, such as a fax gateway for internal (free) calls only, for Unix only?
Just a national solution with certain standardisations, which individual
institutions could implement off the shelf if they wanted to, not a
national facility?

Dr Roger Atkinson
Acting Director of External Studies, External Studies Unit,
Murdoch University, Murdoch, Western Australia 6150.
Voice +61 9 360 2240 fax +61 9 310 4929  atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au
From: pwilson@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:07 EST
Subject: Re: AARNet fax gateway
Nf-ID: #R:atkinson-070193120702@esumac15.c:-372705886:peg:246600057:000:503
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!pwilson    Jan 11 13:07:00 1993


>This FAX was generated by some software I cobled together (based on ideas
>and original work by Ross Cartlidge and others) that is layered upon the 
>Osiris OSFAX FAX gateway product. The OSFAX system allows any UNIX system
>to send and receieve FAXes via a modified Meastro FAX-modem connected to
...
>Peter Elford, Network Co-ordinator, Australian Academic Research Network

Peter,

would you mind posting a name/number/address for someone who sells
the OSFAX package?

Thanks.

Paul Wilson
Pegasus.

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: mconstab@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Constable)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re:  AARNet fax gateway
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:50:06 GMT
Organization: Still working on it

In article <tucker.726710943@splat> root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator) writes:
>pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford) writes:
>
>>Yes, it would be *easy* to make this a national facility, allowing FAXes
>>to be sent nationally around Australia for the cost of a local call. It

Do you mean a dozen or so well placed machines would cover 90% of possible
fax machines for a locally priced call?

>You could put the whole thing together for about $1000 (including all hard-
>ware and software).

There is also a postscript interpreter available for the Amiga, along with
a vast range of other PD graphic format converters. Together with AmigaDOS
v2+ and AREXX scripting, t'would be a breaze to set up.

--
 .              .                            .                .               .
 : WorkNet/UUCP : mconstab@alsvid.une.edu.au : Mark Constable : +61 66 802584 :
From: atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: AARNet fax gateway
Followup-To: aus.aarnet
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:04:46 GMT
Organization: Murdoch University External Studies
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: esumac15.csu.murdoch.edu.au

I've seen a recent fax from the AVCC, with the header "AARNet FAX Gateway
(date and time stamp, page no. of no.)", which originated from
username@server.avcc.edu.au (containing vitally significant advice - new
Postcode 0200 for ANU).

Have I missed something? Is there an AARNet fax gateway under trial just at
the AVCC, or is it being tried elswhere also, or is it about to become
available to all, or is the fax gateway still some time in the future?


Dr Roger Atkinson
Acting Director of External Studies, External Studies Unit,
Murdoch University, Murdoch, Western Australia 6150.
Voice +61 9 360 2240 fax +61 9 310 4929  atkinson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator)
Subject: Re: AARNet fax gateway
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:09:03 GMT

pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford) writes:

>Yes, it would be *easy* to make this a national facility, allowing FAXes
>to be sent nationally around Australia for the cost of a local call. It
>only requires money to enable resources to be brought to bear to write
>up a requirements documents, contract out/appoint someont to do the work,
>buy additional UNIX systems and/or copies of the Osiris Software and ZAP!.

>What I have done so far is in-my-spare-time work for the use of Geoff and
>I, and the AVCC. It is not a general access facility.

I hacked together some FAX software last night to do the same thing, was easy.
I just used an amiga product called GPFax. Wrote a REXX script to get incomming
mail, with magic numbers (so not just anyone can send). The got a pd OCR
product for the amiga, and presto. Instant fax gateway!!

You could put the whole thing together for about $1000 (including all hard-
ware and software).

Dave
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: questions about AARNet's international link
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:42:27 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network
Reply-To: P.Elford@AARNet.EDU.AU
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Ray Soo (ray@exicom.OZ.AU) wrote:
: What sort of box sits at the other end of AARNet's international link
: (and where is is located)?

A Proteon CNX router. Our cisco CGS/3 router talks to it using PPP.

Located at the NASA Ames Research Centre in Mountain View California. It
is owned and operated by the NASA Science Internet, and is connected to
FIX-WEST - the Federal Interagency Exchange - West Cost - where all the
big US networks come together (NSFnet, NSI, ESnet, ICMnet, etc.)

: Who do AARNet pay to connect to the US end an how much would this be?

We pay our Australian half circuit costs directly to OTC - $35,000 /month.
In addition we pay a small portion of the US half circuit (cannot recall
exactly what this is - a few thousand dollars per month) through PACCOM.

: I've heard of PACCOMM - how are they involved (if at all)?

PACCOM is based at The University of Hawaii and in addition to acting
as a "buying cartel" for the nations requiring Internet access in
the Pacific (Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong) allows
US Federal agencies to meet connectivity requirements, ie. NASA pay
PACCOM some money to get them access to various sites around the
Pacific where NASA are underatking collaboartive work.

: Also, how are the University of Hawaii involved (if at all)?

They support PACCOM.

: Can i read about any of this stuff on AARNet somewhere (e.g. aarnet.edu.au)?

Not much is written down and publicly available. Some of the AARNet reports
in aarnet.edu.au:pub/reports have some information about Pacific connectivity.

--
| Peter Elford, Network Co-ordinator, Australian Academic and Research Network |
| Post: GPO Box 1142, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia                             |
| Office: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University, Canberra   |
| Tel: +61 6 249 3542   |   Fax: +61 6 249 1369   |   Pager: +61 6 245 3035    |
Xref: sparky aus.aarnet:1371 aus.netstatus:274
From: C.Chaundy@its.unimelb.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
Subject: Downtime notice: Victorian hub 14-Jan-93
Date: 13 Jan 93 12:33:21 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Victorian AARNet hubs (vic.gw.au and vic2.gw.au) will be down between
17:00 and 17:30 on Thursday 14-Jan-93 to investigate problems with a
couple of dead ethernet interfaces of these units.
-- 
Chris Chaundy (Technical Manager, Networks)

Information Technology Services, Thomas Cherry Building,
The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria 3052 Australia
Phone:    +61 3 344 7045                Fax:   +61 3 347 4803
Internet: C.Chaundy@its.unimelb.EDU.AU 	(X.121 505233430003)
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: AARNet fax gateway
Date: 11 Jan 1993 03:16:01 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network
Reply-To: P.Elford@AARNet.EDU.AU
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

pwilson@peg.pegasus.oz.au wrote:

: Peter,

: would you mind posting a name/number/address for someone who sells
: the OSFAX package?

Osiris Technology
Unit 9
1st Floor
54 Gibbes Street
Chatswood	NSW	2067

Tel: 02 417 9299
Fax: 02 417 7334

There are a number of distributors of the software was well, but Osiris
will be happy to talk to you directly.

--
Peter Elford, Network Co-ordinator, Australian Academic Research Network
Tel: +61 6 249 3542    Fax: +61 6 249 1369    Pager: +61 6 245 3035
Post: GPO Box 1142, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia
Office: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University, Canberra
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:09:48 GMT

gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage) writes:

[...]
>The govt may censor a particular "newsfeed" (TV, public video
>libraries, etc) - but I'm still able to get almost any movie direct
>from the source on tape, no? So, no I'm not really censored.
[...]

At least in the opinion of the American Library Association *any* type
of official restriction motivated by "partisan or doctrinal
disapproval" is censorship.

- Carl

p.s. If anyone has any Australian academic or intellectual freedom
documents on-line, please send them to me.

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

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library/bill-of-rights.ala
=================
* Library Bill of Rights (ALA)

=================
library/diversity.ala
=================
* Diversity in Collection Development (ALA)

An interpretation by the American Library Association of the "Library
Bill of Rights"

It says that collections should be inclusive, not exclusive. And that
materials should cover the needs and interest of all patrons. "This
includes materials that reflect political, economic, religious,
social, minority, and sexual issues."

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library/censorship.def.ala
=================
* Definition of "Censorship" and Related Terms (ALA)

=================
caf
=================
* About the CAF mailing lists (and newsgroups)

A description of the comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list. It is a
free-forum for the discussion of questions such as: How should general
principles of academic freedom (such as freedom of expression, freedom
to read, due process, and privacy) be applied to university computers
and networks? How are these principles actually being applied? How can
the principles of academic freedom as applied to computers and
networks be defended?

=================
=================

If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
   gopher gopher.eff.org

These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/library/bill-of-rights.ala
  pub/academic/library/diversity.ala
  pub/academic/library/censorship.def.ala
  pub/academic/caf

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
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send acad-freedom/library bill-of-rights.ala
send acad-freedom/library diversity.ala
send acad-freedom/library censorship.def.ala
send acad-freedom caf

-- 
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 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: geoff@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Geoff Wong)
Subject: Re: CFD: newgroup "aus.censorship", was Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:25:27 GMT

In <1ifk0uINNak@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) writes:

>If there is no objection I will newgroup the group in a couple of days before
>the ire of the various contributors dies off :)

Why not use the alt.censorship newgroup; are or too many of 
the participants censored from the alt heirarchy?

geoff

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: ISDN link to Western Australia
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:35:27 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Anne Isherwood <aei@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

The ISDN link between the National Hub and Western Australia was restored
at approx. 15:15. The problem was located at the Perth end.

Anne Isherwood
University of Melbourne


Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: baker@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Mark Baker +61 9 4916081)
Subject: Help needed with netfetch
Organization: Network Computer Centre
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:44:37 GMT

Several months ago I could use the "netfetch" command to get files
from anonymous ftp servers, such as ftp.wimsey.com. Now, both munnari
and basser bounce me as they try to access ftp.wimsey.com.au.

Is there a simple fix, please.

_______________________________________________________________________________
Mark Baker                             Phone: +61 9 4916081
Network Computer Centre                Fax:   +61 9 2212560
5th Floor Telecom Centre               ACSNET: baker@telecomwa.oz.au
80 Stirling Street, Perth              Inet:  baker%telecomwa.oz.au@uunet.uu.net
Western Australia 6000
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller)
Subject: proton amp (did i waste my money?)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:15:11 GMT

About 6 months ago, i bought an amp from a reputable (i think) dealer in
melb, who i wont name, but if you want to know i will tell you personally.
Its brand name was Proton (i dont have the model number on me), and the dude
in the shop told me a story how this amp was made at the same factory where
Nad components are made, and for some reason Nad rejected a heap of machines
that were made there and this company fixed them up, and sold them under
the name proton. So essentially what i was getting was a proton amp, with
Nad insides...
The buttons and everything are very similiar to nad components.
My question to all you ppls out there is, have you heard this story or have
i just bought a crappy nad imitation?

BTW, i am satisfied with the amp, but i am a newbie on the hi-fi scene, and
i havent got a decent pair of speakers to really checkout the quality of this
amp...(a subject of a future post most likely).

Reply by mail if you can... 

Thanks friends..
schuller