From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Lionel Tun: evolutionary relic.
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec21.045654.38203@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsg1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JONATHAN SCOTT GIBSON) writes:
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 <   large chunk of biblical quote delete to save net.bandwidth  >eep;
  Then
>
>                                Quoted directly fom Genesis chapter 1 in the
>                                New American Standard Bible.

Erm. That's what most of us thought. But the creationists who want to
force it to be taught as fact, not myth, never mention the bible. Remember
how Jim Loucks kept persisting that ICR creationism was scientific not
biblical, and how he went through hoops trying to justify his view of
creation without invoking the bible, before he gave up.


>        That is the theory of Creation to whoever asked.

And how do you get somebody who is

 - of another religion, or
 - of the same religion, but who is not a biblical literalist, or
 - is an atheist,

to accept the quoted story as fact, in spite of all the evidence to the
contrary? Most creationists include Noah's flood, which I'm glad you left
out because all the evidence is contrary to the biblical story.

>                                                          Someone had
>        mentioned something about the fact that the world was created so
>        perfectly gave them the creeps or made them feel uncomfortable.  The
>        thing is, it was not created perfectly; God did not make man as a
>        robot, He gave him freewill, to choose what to do.  That was where the
>        fall of man comes in and that is where the idea of an imperfect world
>        comes in.  The idea of Christianity has a lot of commitment in it;
>        commitment to a God that you can't see, in a book that is old but
>        inspired by this God, and commitment of one's life to this whole
>        belief.  In this day and age, there is not much commitment.  There
>        arso many families that are torn apart by divorce and who gets married
>        anymore, why not just have children?  Former vice-president Quayle was
>        right in what he said about the family values of this country, they
>        have gone to pot.  The reason it is so hard for everyone to believe in
>        Christianity is because it takes commitment to someone besides
>        themself, and that takes alot, for people to give up their selfish
>        ambitions.
>

Ermmmm..... Christianity and evolution are not mutually exclusive, at least
to most christians who do not interpret the bible literally. But then most
of them don't. So your sermon isn't really necessary.

But you didn't think about your argument, did you? The real reason
everybody who isn't a christian find it so hard to believe in christianity
could be:

   - they already believe in another religion. Imagine (say) a moslem
     telling you the "real" reason you aren't a moslem.

   - any religion at all doesn't make sense to them (the atheists)

Anyway, I am not a christian, and I do have commitments to a lot of other
people, my family, my colleagues, and a very special lady 8,000 miles away
in another continent.

By the way, Dan Quayle is still Vice-President of the United States of
America until January 1993.

>
>--
>                        Jonathan Scott Gibson
>                        JSG1@LEHIGH.EDU
>                        BOX 479    X0264

Chris Lee