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From: tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Subject: Re: two threads became one
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:44:38 GMT

In article <714910190.F00002@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
>mike@xenlink.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Johnson) writeth:
>
> MJ> we have at least 2 squires who
> MJ> are members of the animal kingdom. ( 1 dog & 1 cat that I know of). ]
> MJ> At least one of which has a SCA membership. What are the requirements for
>
> MJ> Species????      GRINNNN......
>
>

My God, there's even a period precedent for elevating an animal to high
office, Caligua made his horse a senator! ;) (We King Swaetsox & Fluffy
our Queen do grant this scroll...)

Lothar \|/
        0
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:38:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714969221.F00005

KW>  From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
KW>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
KW>
KW>  Sometimes the sons wore Costner Robin Hood-like
KW>  outfits with metal studs and leather. Ugh.
KW>
KW>  Branwen ferch Emrys
KW>  The Mists, the West

Heheheh....some of my companions recognized the evil son's outfit from 
Robin Hood. They aren't "Robin Hood-like", they *are* the same costumes. :-)

Methinks this is a low-budget romp, and we should sit back and enjoy it 
while we may, like our forefathers would have enjoyed a pageant without 
worrying if the "Pope" was wearing real velvet...

Moreach
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:25:00 EDT
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: The Pennsic non-War

Hi folks. Just a bit of insider's information:

I was talking to Queen Margaret last night about the recent discussions on the
Rialto about the Pennsic War vs. Pennsic Fair question.  (Yes, the Royalty can
hear you - I bundle up the interesting stuff from the Rialto and deliver it to
the Queen once a week in exchange for chocolate.)

Anyway, Margaret says that I should tell you all that the reason why the
decision to make the War/Fair seemed like a secret to y'all was because the
Royalties didn't *decide* to make it a Tourney instead of a War until *SUNDAY*
night before the War.

And yes, Ruslan did come very close to breaking the (fiberglass) War Arrow. He
was a bit pumped.  (It actually started spintering - I was about 15 feet behind
him, holding a poleaxe and watching the show).

                                                Therion

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                      ||        Warlord         || for it, even though I'm not
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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Town Battle at Pennsic
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:56:34 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Innane Blather (?) writes:
>>  Actually this is a wonderful idea.  Discussion around the fire the
>>  evening after the town battle consisted of how to make the 'taking'
>>  of the huts more enticing.  Suggestions were made that included
>>  planting 'flags' that represent 'loot', and each hut being holding
>>  different loot, Armor in the Armory, gold, ect...
 
Leonard Erickson writes:
> I think something more substantial than "flags" is in order. One fighter can 
> carry a *lot* of "flags". He'll need help with a cask of wine, and as for 
> that chest of gold (at 100+ pounds) ...

The Dominion of Myrkfaelin held a "pig-raid" tournament a few years ago.
You fought in teams of three.  A fence-post pig-pen with 2x4 rails was set-up
in the middle of the field.  A canvas pig was in the sty.  Whichever team 
got the pig back to their gate won the round.  The first tourney was three 
teams at a time, the second one two.  The first time a fighter grabbed the pig,
he gave a quick yank and ended up falling on the pig, they had filled it with 
80 lbs of lead shot! Hopping the rail into the sty was easy, hopping out with 
an 80 lb dead weight was not, which meant you had to fight your way out the 
gate.  It was the perfect monkey trap, you were only trapped as long as you 
refused to give up the prize.  One particularly strong fighter managed to 
grab the pig by the neck and use it as a shield.  The funniest round occurred
in the three team tourney.  One team decided to launch a direct attack against
another team as soon as the marshall said 'Go.'  While the two teams fought,
the third team ran unopposed to the sty, grabbed the pig, and carried it back
to their gate without any opposition whatsoever!  When the combat finished, the
'victors' rushed the sty only to discover that had won an empty pen.  

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

THE LAST THREE WINNERS OF AETHELMEARC CORONET TOURNEY HAVE BEEN...
_A_riel       fighting for the wife of Sir Raimund  of Rhydderich Hael
_B_ear        fighting for the wife of Sir Ogami    of Rhydderich Hael
_C_hristopher fighting for the wife of Sir Carthalo of Rhydderich Hael
  "Hello? Sir Bedawyr? This is _D_agonell.  If you're not fighting for your
   wife Lena in the next Coronet Tourney, I have a proposition for you ..."
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Water vs Plain distance
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:50:06

 LE> communications are harder to maintain over a body of water.  You may
 LE> not beleive this if you haven't experienced it, but it's true
 LE> nonetheless.  Ask any inhabitants of canton of Styringheim (Gotland,
 LE> the island in the Baltic Sea). They complaint that it's so hard to
 LE> communicate with the rest of the barony.  We, in mainland of Nordmark,
We've noticed a similar, although possibly lesser, problem out here in 
 Texas -- if it takes more than 30 minutes drive to get to local 
 meetings, the folks making the drive wanna form a splinter.  Only 
 affects the big metropolitan areas, but there it is.
     I realize this has very little to do with the balance of your 
 message, but I thought I'd point out that for some, distance doesn't 
 have to be over water to be deemed a difficulty......
     :) Gwenllian CfM

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: dylan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:05:12 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <SHAFER.92Aug26213903@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov>, 
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
> On 26 Aug 92 19:32:48 GMT, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu 
>(Charles Jacob Cohen) said:
> 
> C> This kinda upsets me, and this is a good time to bring this up. Yes, the
> C> show was bad, and I was hoping for better, but....
> 
> C> Everytime, and I mean *everytime* I see a show with my SCA friends that
> C> has to do with the middle ages, they can never sit back and watch it, they
> C> have to nit pick every little detail and tear it to shreads.  
> 
> It's not just your SCA friends, it's anyone with any real knowledge
> about the topic being portrayed.  You should hear my Dryden friends
> and me dissing TV shows about aircraft.  That short-lived
> "Supercarrier" show was usually good for an entire morning of
> criticism, snotty remarks, and general nitpicking.
> 
> And then there was "Top Gun"....

Our Baronial Chronicler works in the Shell Dep't (i forget the official title)
at the Academy of Science in Philadelphia.  Everyone there thought that
'Cocoon' was a hoot because the shells the aliens were in, were actually only
about an inch in size, not 6' across.  Her boss was the only one laughing
in the movie theatre :)

Dylan
Barony of Bhakail, East
Philadelphia, PA 
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From: dillon@world.std.com (John T Dillon)
Subject: Great diesel beasts at Pennsic
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:52:12 GMT


  The great diesel beasts at Pennsic were an annoyance, bleating their 
challenge out in both daylight and darkness.  However blame not all of 
them as being unfriendly and malicious.  Most of them were blaring not to
awaken campers, but to express displeasure and alarm at the throng of smaller
dragons perched on the roadside, or in the road, peering into the camp.


John McGuire

Who sitting three tents from the parking lot and the road had a chance to
see (and hear) many 18 wheelers ram on their brakes while blaring their horns.
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Viking Tents (Was: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:58:29 GMT
Organization: Ti Rhos Dhubh

Greetings to the Rialto from Siobhan!  Angharad writes:
>you want a medieval pavilion, and you don't want to use a viking style 
>(actually, from what I understand, _abuse_ it: viking style tents were 
>roofs on sod structures, not freestanding tents), it is _very_ hard to 

I beg to differ.  Look into the Tre Tryckare edition (BTW, this is a pet
peeve of mine: Tre Tryckare is NOT the author's name, it's the press'
name) big coffee table book called THE VIKING -- around Greyhaven they
called it "the do-it-yourself viking book".  In the section on
travelling to Greenland, there's a depiction of a temporary camp, and
the viking tent there is unmistakably the standard viking a-frame that
seems to be proliferating around the West...

Yours,
	- Siobhan

Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Query after Andrew
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:29:14 GMT

This is a request to any of our Trimarian cousins who aren't busy
cleaning up in the wake of Andrew . . .

Any status for those of us that are worried about how you came through
the storm?  If you're busy cleaning up--please let us all know later,
but if you've the time, how did SCA folk in the storm area do?

On a side point--consider this to be a request for news from Meridies
in a couple of days as well . . .

If there's anything we can do to help out--please pass the word.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov)
Subject: Copyrighting Heraldry
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:41:43 GMT

Unto all who readf these words, greetings
from Yaakov

The learned Solveig Throndardotir asks if
heraldry may be copyrighted.

First, I must ask what you mean by this.
The United States cannot grant 'titles of
nobility' (Article I sec. 9) so there is
no U.S. college of arms restricting the use
of arms.

A copyright protects the expression of an
idea, not an idea itself.  The more basic
the expression, the more it becomes an idea
and therefore not protectable.  Thus, the
sentence: 'A gold wavy 'Y' on a blue background'
(the arms of Carolingia) is an idea, not
an expression of the idea.  A drawing based
on this idea is copyrighted, but that applies
only to that *particular* representation.
Anyone else can draw their version of the
same idea.

ex: My device is per fess vert or, an ass
issuant.  That sentence is an idea, and
not copyrightable.  If I draw my device,
the drawing is protected as an artistic (ha!)
work, but anyone else can draw a green and
gold feel with a golden demi-ass.

Then there is trademark law, which allows
you to protect a simple logo or design.
However, in order to protect your trademark,
you must actively be invloved in a trade.
SCA, inc. can have a trademark.  Yaakov
(as a private person) can't.  (However, if
I opened a merchant booth and wanted to
register my arms as a trademark, that
would be another matter.)

Disclaimer: I AM *NOT* A LAWYER!  I AM ONLY
A 3RD YEAR LAW STUDENT.  NOTHING IN THIS
POST CONSTITUTES LEGAL ADVICE.

In Service,
Yaakov

P.S. For more information, check out
Intellectual Property--In a Nutshell.
From: patmcg@home.merit.edu (Pat McGregor)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:34:36 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan

pears@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Arnold N Pears) writes:

>In article <ewright.714162303@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>>Vajk writes:
>>Lighting is another consideration.  If you expect people to be doing things 
>>after dark, well, tiki torches and firelight just aren't adequate for fine
>>work like embroidery and sewing.

>Does this mean that all such work in the period we are concerned with 
>was accomplished during daylight hours?

>Does anyone have any supporting or disproving evidence?

>>-- Nicholas van Leyden

>Arenwald von Hagenberg.
  
 I used to own (I'll have to ask my Ex if he still has it) a lovely little
cobbler's lamp which focused the light of a candle quite adequately in a
circle about 1.5 foot in diameter. It used 4 glass globes filled with clear
water. The place we bought it claimed the pattern came from the 1550's....
 

Siobhan Medhbh O'Roarke                         Pat McGregor
Shire Cynnabar/Barony Northwoods                Ann Arbor, MI

patmcg@merit.edu
smor@um.cc.umich.edu
UserW02V@umichum.bitnet                               (313) 426-3506
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:37:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: gpu.BtpCtt.DHE
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House

Re the user fee for driving a car in camp:

In article <418-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP> Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP> writes:

>What of cases when someone goes food-shopping for the entire camp (as my 
>camp did a couple of times)?  Under your proposal, one would either have
>to pay $5 every time one did this, or bring enough people to schlep all
>of the bags back to camp (which is about a 20-minute-plus hike for some
>of the remoter encampments; not ideal for items which you want to get
>into an ice chest as soon as possible).

Exactly!  If you have an entire camp's grocs in your car, then you divide
the user fee, whether $1, $5 or $25 among the entire camp.  Or you save
the cash and use a wagon.

If every person who came to Pennsic got a token for one free entry, then
people without cars could sell or trade their tokens (trade for town
runs, f'rinstance), and people who like to drive up to battles could get
all the fighters to carpool all week, then use their tokens for the big
mechanised assault on the battlefield...

Aryk Nusbacher
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Chain Mail
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.211001.21571@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ca855@cleveland.Freenet
.Edu (Robert Allen Coody) writes:
>
>Greetings Rialto and the known world. I am seeking a source of rings
>for the production of chain mail, I am not in the mood for therapy
>projects and if the rings are already made, I hope to avoid the rocking
>and drooling effects of wire twisting.

You could check with a spring company. One of the spring companies here in town
had said(it was some time back) that they would wind springs out of any type of
of metal any size and the springs could be any length(including one circle.)
The examples that I looked at were good.

-
otto
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: various and sundry
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:42:34 GMT

I stopped by this camp, just to have a look.  I was amazed that people could
remain amused by hours of thumping away on doumbeks in the same rhythm.  I
was treated to the sight of the Primitive Dance.  All 'round the fire, the
natives had reached back into their race memory and pulled out the primal
dances that their ancestors had done 'round the fires in the dark reaches of
the past.  Their shoulders were hunched, and they pounded out these deep
rhythms of the hunt, of war, even the very rhythms of life.  They were cele-
brating these aspects of their existence, both individual and tribal exist-
ence, with spontaneous, heartfelt dance.

Elsewhere, far from the hypnotic sounds of the drum, were the spontaneous
cries of togetherness.  A cry would be heard in the night, a wolf's howl,
or the poultryesque cry of the buddoo women.  And then the responses would
come.  Young men stop in their tracks, their faces assume a look
of deep concentration, and they raise cupped hands to their mouths.  They
reply with the deep cries their fathers never taught them, cries which rise
from the very ground, resonate from tibia to fibula and back to tibia again.
The cries come from the legs, through the loins, echo in the mighty male prow,
and leap full-grown from the throat.  This is no cry of joy -- the grim visage
of the howler makes that quite clear.  He does not even want to cry out.  It
is his duty to transmit this cry from the earth to the air.  Then, the cry
worked through him, he resumes his walk through the night.

Just like the Middle Ages.

Aryk Nusbacher 
From: Henry.Best@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Henry Best)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: multiple titles
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 16:53:12 -0500

I have heard Viscount Viscount Viscount Viscount Sir Sir Master Master 
Edward referred to as "His Etceteracy".........
                                                Henry
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: accents
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:26:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Someone mentioned the bad accents of CC as being another bone of
contention.  This reminded me that, some time ago, a British actress
was once giving a lecture on her trade, and came up with the
intriguing statement that English accents are _very_ distinctive,
varying not only from region to region, but from city to city.  This
is modern English, of course; it is my suspicion (without proof) that
the situation would be aggravated in the 14th century.  Any comments
from a linguistics person out there?

Tio d'abaco
From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Blue Feather and "poof-da" ?????
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 08:33:00 -0500

> Hey, I didn't even think of Blue Feather when that phrase (poof-da????)
> was used. And members of Blue Feather and I go way back. Don't know it's
> origins, and am only mildly interested. Never heard it applied to any
> Blue Feather before!
 
It's short for 'puff daisy' and is a rather old British (aka Monty Python)
adjective for the effeminate.   Sometimes applied to gay males.  In more common
American usage, it applies to anything wimpy with humorous connotations.  I
didn't realize *anyone* still thought of it as an insult to gays... :(
 
BTW was nice meeting you at the Rialto party and finally finding out how to
pronounce your name... <SEG>
 
Macsen
From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: almost live steel.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 18:19:19 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

In article <1992Aug25.145748.40797@watson.ibm.com>, mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
> Greetings from Arval!  Berwynn asked for thoughts about live-steel demos.
> 
> Berwynn wrote:
> 
>> One of our fighters, (the short one) has suggested that one reason we
>> don't get many people to try fighting is that it doesn't look real enough.
> 
> The thrill of SCA fighting
> comes from knowing that it is real competition, in which skill at arms will
> determine the victor.  I've never had a problem explaining this to a demo
> audience: I point out that our fighting is modelled on medieval armored
> combat in much the same way that kendo is modelled on Japanese swordplay.
> It is a sport designed to re-create some aspects of medieval combat, while
> preserving our safety so that we can get up and do it again.

In fact, in mediaeval times, sword practice WAS often conducted with 
wooden swords called "singlesticks."  (Unfortunately, I no longer have
access to my documentation for this, though Webster's does define
"singlestick" as "fighting or fencing with a wooden stick or sword held
in one hand; also, the weapon used.")

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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: various and sundry
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 20:11:50 -0500

Twcs (helm@garnet.ucdavis.EDU) writeth:

 h> How about "pump fakes", known to east bay fighters as a Houghton fake #1?

For those of us not from the East Bay, 'splain please?

 h> I suppose I might not object so much if I weren't so jaded by
 h> modern cabaret middle eastern dancing done to bad drumming.  I supposed
 h> I just opened myself up to withering flaming again

Not from this quarter.

        Q.  How do you tell the GOOD belly dancers?
        A.  They're the one with clothes on.

Most of what I've seen masquerading as "belly dancing" was more like "tit
dancing" - that is, nothing but pandering wiggling of exposed flesh.  (Not that
I don't enjoy that too, but it's less "art"ful, IMHO, and besides, even being
SEEN in public in such an outfit would probably have gotten one at LEAST severly
chastised, in most middle eastern societies!)  There was one dancer at the
Pentawyvern "Christmas" party at Pennsic, however, who was entrancing in her
act... though clothed (and not sheerly) from neck to ankles and wrists.


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