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From: aitken@cs.cornell.edu (William E. Aitken)
Subject: External Disk Drive Recommendations
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:44:52 GMT

	I am thinking about buying an external disk drive
for my NeXT, and wonder if anyone has any recommendations.
In particular, I am interested in brand name suggestions,
reputable suppliers, and rough estimates of how much I should
expect to pay.  I will summarize any reponses to the net
in a couple of weeks.
					--- Thanks in advance.
					--- Bill.

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From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Subject: Re: NeXT Color Printer vs. filesystem
Reply-To: john@wpa.com (John Bartley)
Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.010933.286@chiton.ucsd.edu> cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu  
(Carl Lowenstein) writes:
> I just stood by and watched as a brand new NeXT Color Workstation
> was connected to a brand new NeXT Color Printer, and the printer
> trashed the file system.
> 
> Apparently the printer comes out of the box set to SCSI target
> address 1.  Of course, the system disk in the CPU box is also target  
1.
> 
> The printer also comes without any trace of an instruction manual,
> and also no clues as to how to set its SCSI address.
> 
> a) Isn't this pretty silly?  To mis-quote S.Jobs, it just don't work.
> 
> b) How do I change the printer's address?

Well, mine came with a pretty informative instruction manual (English  
and Japanese) and did NOT come set to address 1.

From page 10 of the manual...

	" The computer has a SCSI ID of 7, the computer's internal hard  
disk has a SCSI ID of 1, and the printer has a SCSI ID of 3."

From page 20....

Changing the SCSI ID

1) Switch the printer off line
2) Enter menu mode
3) Press the arrow keys to go to the INTERFACE SELECT menu
4) go to the SCSI menu (press enter)
5) press the arrow keys to choose the SCSI ID you want to use
   (press enter)
6) switch the printer on line
7) to update the change in NVRAM, press enter

>>>> Remember to set the printer's SCSI ID to the same value in the  
PrintManager application. <<<<<<

Don't forget the SCSI terminator if the printer is the last SCSI device  
in the chain.

John Bartley
Workgroup Productivity Associates
john@wpa.com

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From: tt@panda.unibe.ch (Thomas Tschannen)
Subject: NeXT CD-ROM drive: What kind of SCSI connecter does it have ?
Reply-To: tschannen@phil.unibe.ch
Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:27:05 GMT

I've got a few questions in connection with the 
NeXT CD-ROM drive.

1) I heard you need a SCSI-I to SCSI-II cable in order to connect it.
   Does this mean the drive (I asume it is a new product) is
   a SCSI-I device ?

2) In FAQ to csnh I read that you can use the SUN cables as 
   SCSI-I to SCSI-II cable. Well, all the peripherals I've seen
   so far connected to our SUNs have a DB-50 connecter. The DB-50 
   connect looks just like the one used with the NeXT laser printer but
   with 50 pins in 3 rows. Does that mean a SCSI-I to SCSI-II cable
   has a high density plug on one side (to connect to the NeXT) and a
   DB-50 plug on the other side ?

3) What type of plug does the CD-ROM drive have on its back ?
   (Could imagine a DB-50 or a centronics 50 pin plug)

4) Does the NeXT CD-ROM drive have an internal terminator for 
   the SCSI-bus ?

5) I've heard the the NeXT CD-ROM drive supports beside others a 
   NeXT specific format. Does that mean that everybody with say a
   SUN CD-ROM drive will be lost sometime in the future when NeXT starts
   to ship sw in their own format ?

Thank you very much for your help.

Thomas
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From: svanbure@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Seth Van Buren)
Subject: The NeXT machine for me???
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 14:44:15 GMT

Hi guys and Gals,
        I'm a macintosh software developer working over here in Australia.
Of late, I have become very curios about the NeXT machine and what it can
do.  Unfortunatley I can't find any specs on it.  I hope some of you guys can
help, because from what I have heard about the next machine, I want one!!!
 
        Heres some questions I'd like answers to.
 
        What are the Next machines really like?
 
        Differnt models of NeXT machines and there specs(esp entry level)
 
        Avaiabilty of Software
 
        Specs on operating software.
 
        Is it true I can write mac software on the Next and port it over to the
mac, and visa versa?
 
        Is the Next machine the write one for me.
        Is there much work working with next machines????
 
        If anyone could answer any or alll of these questions I would appreciate
it a greate deal.
                Thanks alot.
 
Seth.
 
Seth van Buren,
West Residence
Griffith University
Nathan, 4111
Australia.
 
email: svanbure@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
 

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From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: NeXTdimension Speed Problems
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:07:50 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

Chris Petrilli writes
> Well, I seem to be having some rather major problems with a
> NeXTdimension machine that I run, and I can't seem to find anything that
> is obviously causing the problem.  The configuration is as follows:
> 
> 	NeXTcube ('040, 16Mb RAM)
> 	NeXTdimension (16Mb RAM)

                              MORE RAM!

It is a complex shuffling dance between the file system, the CPU RAM, the ND  
RAM, and the various swapping and backing algorithms (and their use of the file  
system, ...). The more time it spends in the dance, the less useful stuff from  
a user point of view. 16 MB of CPU RAM is not enough. If you are doing a lot of  
image display, 16 MB of ND RAM may not be enough.

The ND has turned out difficult to tune and make go fast --- from a couple of  
years dinking with them and asking NeXT engineers lots of questions. The only  
practical solution we have ever found is

                              MORE RAM!

Mark
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From: outland!jmast (John A. Mastrolia)
Subject: test posting
Reply-To: deepthought!outland!jmast@ms.uky.edu
Organization: Kentucky NeXT Users Group (KYNUG)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:29:52 GMT

Test posting... please ignore... checking it out.
-- 
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   deepthought!outland!jmast@ms.uky.edu
Univeristy of Kentucky
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From: cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: MIDI interface for NeXT - which one?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:12:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvrMo4.7B7.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Hi - I combed through the FAQ and couldn't find any reference to which  
MIDI interfaces will work with an older '040 cube, 3.0, and Presto. What  
is the current situation with Presto anyway? Is there a full fledged  
release in the works , or is the current version it?  Anyway, where can I  
get an interface (don't need a large one - something inexpensive  
preferably) and the cabling for it?

Thanks.
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: DSP adapter thing?
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:16:02 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I need an adapter for the DSP port and it needs to have one DSP
port male interface to two female interface plus a switcher to
toggle in between.  I want to get an ISDN interface going plus
I would like to hook up an A/D D/A converter.  Only one port at a time
needs to be accessed but I don't want to keep unplugging cables.
Can I safely make this thing?  Does anyone sell it?

maurices
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From: eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz)
Subject: 2.2 Still an Option?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:04:29 GMT

With all this talk of how slow 3.0 is, I am getting very concerned
about my planned purchase of a NSTC. I had an 030 cube running 1.0,
and upgraded to an 040 running 2.1 so I am deathly scared of winding
up with a SLOW interface again. Hell, everyone here wants me to get
a Sun IPX and a slow interface would start an endless stream of 
"wow, my IPX is much faster" comments.

Anyway, how easy would it be to get 2.2 up and running on a new 
machine? Will 2.2 support ADB? 

Maybe I should just get the IPX; after all a great OS isn't so great
if you're frustrated by its (lack of) speed and tired of explaining
it to Sun freaks.

I am also concerned about disk throughput. One poster suggested the NeXT
would only support something like 400kB/sec on the SCSI. WHAT?!
IS THIS TRUE? Good thing they put a SCSI-2 connector back there so
I can hook up and 10MB/sec disk only to have it trickle data...

I want NeXTstep back on my desk, but I cannot afford to sink many
thousands of dollars into a slow system.

Eric S. Boltz
Materials Research Engineer
NIST Boulder Labs.
eboltz@srv430.bldr.nist.gov
eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (non-resident Hopkins graduate student)

          
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From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green)
Subject: Fujitsu 2624 and jumper settings
Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:09:35 GMT

Hello,

I'm having a terrible time trying to get my Fujitsu 2624SA drive to
work on my NeXTstation color.

I had the drive working on a IIcx for about 8 months without a
problem, but there are several strange things about the jumper
settings. 

First of all on CNH1 jumper 5-6 was shorted when the drive was on the
Mac. According to the drive manual, this meant that that drive was
supposedly in diagnostic mode.  Well it worked fine (i.e. in normal
operation mode).  But when I moved it over to the NeXT, I got SCSI
parity errors, so I opened that jumper (of course powering down the
drive and NeXT first).  All other jumpers are shorted except 15-16
which disables synchronous transfers.

The problem is that the drive will not spin up unless jumper 5-6 is
shorted. (Which on the NeXT does seem to put the drive into a
diagnostics mode).

Thoroughly confused...thanks for any help,
Todd
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From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green)
Subject: Re: Fujitsu 2624 (mounting Apple formatted drive)
Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:43:52 GMT

In article <BvyyFz.2K4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I'm having a terrible time trying to get my Fujitsu 2624SA drive to
>work on my NeXTstation color.
>

I've figured out the problem.  Even though the Fujitsu "Technical
Handbook" lables the jumpers from left to right (on p. 3-7), in
actuality they are numbered from right to left on the drive (As shown
by the diagram on p. 3-5).

Also the manual shows CNH7 as only having four pins, my drive has 5.
Took a bit of experimenting to get the SCSI id set.

FYI, my NeXT did successfully mount the drive as an Apple formatted
drive, but it only mounted one partition.

Todd
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From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: connecting HP48SX to NeXTstation turbo
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:40:16 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


>> I started a similar thread about a year ago.  If anyone has made any progress  
>> on this I would also like to hear about it.  I managed to get the HP and my  
>> NeXT talking but the only way to start the process was to start Kermit with a  
>> modem connected, unplug the modem (the serial cable that is), and connect the  
>> HP in it's place.  Yuck!  

I've never had any problem.  I use the HP cable for a PC, and a Mac modem
cable (which wouldn't work for a modem on the NeXT, but works just fine
for the HP which only uses RxD and TxD, oh and ground).  I connect with

   kermit -l /dev/cub -b 9600

and that's it.

mark
From: rcbaab@rwc.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: ADB options for current NeXT owners
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:19:15 GMT
Reply-To: rcbaab@urc.tue.nl

gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes:

>What I'd like to see is some kind of converter, such that you could plug in  
>an ADB keyboard on one side and take the other side and plug it into the  
>plug (on the NeXT) for the old-style keyboard.  Does anyone know if this is  
>feasible, or how much it would cost?  I already know a few people who would  
>be interested in such a gadget, if it could be made.

>For my purposes this gadget would not have to work with "any old" ADB  
>device.  It would be fine if all the gadget could support was the new ADB  
>keyboard and mouse that NeXT is selling.

I doubt this is possible, ADB is a serial (albeit rather dumb)
protocol which enables you to program the devices which are connected
to the ADB-bus. The only thing I can imagine is a simple replacement
for your keyboard and mouse (with some cheap processor it shouldn't be
that difficult) because in that case you only have to assign 2
addresses (one for the keyboard and one for the mouse), but if you want
to use the other possibilities of ADB (e.g. extra serial ports, a
mouse and tablet etc etc) then you're out of luck. Let's hope that we
can get a monitor-board upgrade...

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From: wcs@chpc.utexas.edu (William C. Saphir)
Subject: need help installing a Fujitsu 2624FA
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:43:48 GMT

I'm trying to install a Fujitsu 2624FA drive on my 
Nextstation. During the boot process, I get:

	FUJITSU NOT READY as sd1 at sc0 target 2 lun 0
	Waiting for drive to come ready

It waits for about 10 seconds and then continues. 
The drive cannot be accessed after the machine boots. 

At the moment, I'm using the factory jumper settings,
except that the synchronous data transfer request is
disabled (and the scsi id is set to 2).  I've also
experimented with scsi1/scsi2, parity, and unit
attention. Same response for all.

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? 
Thanks. 

	Bill Saphir
	wcs@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu


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From: doberman!mike (Mike Panzitta)
Subject: Re: Fujitsu M2266-SA
Reply-To: doberman!mike@esunix.sim.es.com
Organization: Doberman Systems
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 17:16:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.201842.15909@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz) writes:
> What is the deal!
> One mail order place says this drive has 14.5ms access times, and
> another says 11.5ms.
> 
> Which is it? 
> 
> Also, how difficult is it to format etc?
> 
> Anybody have any other recommendations on Gig drives?
> 
> Eric
> 

According to the Fujitsu data sheet, positioning time is 4ms
minimum, 14.5ms average, and 30ms maximum.

As far as formatting, I took the drive, set the DIP switches,
plugged it in, and the NeXT did the rest.  After about 10-15 minutes,
I had a 1087678-kByte single partition.

The drive is a little noisy, but it is big and fast.  I recommend it
highly, although I've heard the 3-1/2 inch 512-Mbyte Fujitsu's are
even better (but higher $/MB).

-Mike

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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: High Bandwith and NeXT cubes
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:00:17 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <BvtMJB.CsK@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)  
writes:
> basil@aelle.cs.odu.edu (Keith Basil) writes:
> 
> >	I'm considering using a Turbo Cube for a network and was
> >	wondering if someone can give me some insight on its 
> >	ability to handle a 56Kbps connection with about 30-40
> >	shell level users.  Ideal configuration would be 64M ram.
> 
> I believe the NeXT kernel (under 2.1 at least) is configured for 32
> ttys at max.  Anyone know if this is increased under 3.0?  Louie? :-)
> 
> -- 
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> University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
> Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
> NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD

I *thought* you just added them to the /etc/ttys file if you needed more?

Jim
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From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: TTYDSP (was: Re: V.32bis modem on NeXT serial port slow...)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.174946.27769@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.092125.3860@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org  
>(Heiko W.Rupp) writes:
>> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>> 
>> >I'm running 57,600 on an '030 with Yrrid's TTYDSP!
>> 
>> What's this? A multiserial port for the DSP-Port ?
>> -- 
>> Heiko W.Rupp  Gerwigstr.5  7500 Kh'e 1  hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org  +49 721  
>693642
>> Hello, GORRY-O!!  I'm a GENIUS from HARVARD!!
>
>Nope, just a single added port.  But a VERY fast one, >128kbps possible!

..and it burns far less CPU time...

andrew

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From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Subject: TTYDSP (was: Re: V.32bis modem on NeXT serial port slow...)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:21:25 GMT
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn

jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:

>I'm running 57,600 on an '030 with Yrrid's TTYDSP!

What's this? A multiserial port for the DSP-Port ?
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From: ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker)
Subject: 1.2 GB Fujitsu HD works with NeXT ?
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:05:02 GMT

Hi,

I am considering the purchase of the new 3.5" Fujitsu HD. I think its part
number is Fujitsu 2654. It is pretty cheap ($2000) plus Fujitsu offers
5 years guarantee.

Does anybody know, if this drive works with a NeXT ?

Thanks for any info, Ernst.
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From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: A couple of questions of NeXT's hardware
Date: 13 Oct 1992 11:30:54 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
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Keywords: PUP keyboard hardware

This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen

1. What's the secret connector in the middle of 030 NeXT's mother board at
   the front (next to NeXTbus connector)? Somekind of test pins?

2. What exactly happens, when power key is pressed on keyboard?
   Motherboard receives the signal through monitor connector 
   (MON POWER PIN) and on the motherboard battery wakes power supplier
   up using PUP (power up) signal. That's clear this far, but will
   PUP remain active high until power is pressed again on the keyboard AND 
   NeXT's operating system is happy about closing system? Or will 
   PUP drop after PON (power on) is active high? I couldn't find
   precis explanation about this from any of the NeXT's hardware
   manuals. 

3. Can I use 4 MB simms in 030 board?

4. Does NeXT's 2.88 meg floppy drive and 256 meg optical drive use
   same data cable? Is it possible to connect PC's 1.44 meg floppy
   to a NeXT by using the internal optical drive connector? Is there
   schematics available for that connector? (Pins etc.)

Thanks in advance (reply by using email, please).
-Juha

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From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: Re: ISDN Extender and Caller ID on POTS?
Organization: P & L Systems
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:35:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.004410.1923@redbaron.uucp>  
deepthought!redbaron!aaronh@ms.uky.edu (Aaron David Herskowitz) writes:
> To all those ISDN Extender/PhoneKit/MessageCenter people:
> 
> Will an ISDN Extender working on a POTS line accept Caller IDs?  Does  
> PhoneKit have any references to Caller ID?
I don't think it is any different in the USA: according to British  
Telecom, the ISDN service does not include support for 'extended  
services'.  That means caller id, divert-on-busy, call waiting, etc.

Paul
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From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: internal/external CD-ROM, '040 turbo upgrade
Date: 13 Oct 1992 04:49:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


>> CD-ROM drive.  In fact, the drive that NeXT makes has a larger
>> footprint than the cube!

Well, it's not *that* big.  It would take two side-by-side to be
(slightly) larger than the footprint of a cube.  The dimensions are
about seven inches by 12.75 inches, so two would be about 14x13
inches, and the cube is 12x12 inches.

Though I agree that the thing is perhaps a little oversized.  It
would be nice if NeXT put the floppy and CD slots on the monitor ...

mark adler
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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Yet another confirmation of the demise of the '040 cube (was: Re: keyboard/mouse question)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:02:12 GMT

cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain) writes:

>Lest we forget, putting a turbo board in an older cube renders your OD  
>unusable, even though the software still supports it. (am I wrong here?)

Correct.
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