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From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: K75 counterbalancer? (Was: BMW K100rs)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:34:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Sep27.190229.10099@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>>my understanding is that the 3cyl bike has the balancer.
>
>But why would it need one? A 120 degree triple is smoother than a 180
>degree four by nature. Anyone got the shop manual handy?

  A 180 degree four has perfect primary balance because the acceleration
of the #1 and #4 pistons is balanced by the #2 and #3 pistons.  A
rocking couple is induced by the firing order that cannot be completely
cancelled without a balance shaft.  The K100 does not have a balance
shaft.
  A 120 degree triple has neither good primary nor secondary balance, and
tends to move in a sort of corkscrew motion.  The balance shaft in the
K75 does an excellent job of smoothing the engine out, and in fact runs
smoother than the four.
  If you can find one that still runs, sit on a Triumph Trident some
time and find out what an unbalanced triple feels like.
  BMW put the balance shaft on the triple because it would be
unacceptably rough without it.  They accidently did an excellent job.

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From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:34:40 GMT

In article <dbc-260992131954@b62003.student.cwru.edu>, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
> > Alcohol makes the engine run leaner and hotter (see below).
> > 
> Then, shouldn't rejetting to richen the mixture (something most stock
> bikes could use anyhow) fix the problem.  This should be an especially
> small problem to you Harley types, as the majority of you are already
> doing significant customization (esp. relative to the average sport bike
> owner who just bolts on a V&H 4->1 and a stage 3)  work, right?
> I wouldn't think it would be a big deal for all the manufacturers to put
> out service bulletins with recommended jet changes for ethanol enriched
> fuels.

The problem is not reconfiguring the engine (am I a weenie or what?) for
a long term change in fuel.  The problem is having to adjust your jetting
each time you fill the tank on a trip!

If my engine is set up for regular fuel and I ride through a mandatory
alcohol state, I'll have to rejet or damage my engine.  Further down
the road and I may have to rejet again.  Get the picture?

- Roid
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Pooder's Facial Remnants (was Re: full face DoD?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:18:41 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>On Harvey I seldom go over 40.  That means I'm usually well under 40, 
>especially at intersections (where accidents are more likely).  I most
>likely will have braked before the crash.  Combine all these factors and 
>I'm hitting the asphalt at about 10 miles per hour.

Okay, go outside to the street and get a good running head of steam,
say about 10mph.  Dive forward toward the street and do a faceplant.
Still don't want a helmet, preferably full-face?

While it's perfectly acceptable to wear or not wear a helmet (in some
states, sigh...), or to wear a $300 Arai Signet or a $25 K-Mart special,
that's your choice.  But don't delude yourself into believing that you
can necessarily walk away from an 10mph dump in your driveway.  You
probably can, but it's not a given.  Your above reasoning would tend
to indicate that you believe you can in all cases.  Good luck, bucko!

Sigh... only an hour and 45 minutes until the helmet law goes into
effect.  I need one more barehead ride.  I hope I don't dump it on
my head in the garage... (0.5 8^)

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
                        you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RFD : rec.motorcycles.cbr600f2
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:31:25 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization:  

Just kidding.
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)
From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 Owners - Repost
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:31:13 GMT
Organization: Xyvision Design Systems

In article <25744@oasys.dt.navy.mil> forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell) writes:
>My husband bought a brand new '90 ST1100 the last week in December 91 
>because he wanted a black one.  He has since put ~15,000 miles on
>it.  Likes the bike a lot except for two things ...
>and what has become major problem - numb hands due to excessive vibration.
>He tends to cruise at 3000-4000 rpm (60-80 mph) and noticed after a 
>while his hands start to buzz. His daily commute is 30 miles each way, 

Bummer of a story.  I have a few thoughts.

First, its obvious that the bars are resonating at the speed you hubby
drives.  You can deal with this two ways.  First, you can try not to
transmit the vibration to the hands, and second you can try to change
the resonant frequency of the bars, so they resonate at, say, 206mph. 

Not transmitting the vibration to the hands can supposedly be
accomplished by the use of LL Bean's good quality sorthobane? filled
bicycle gloves next to the hand.  Sorthobane? is an engineered
vibration damper for applications similar to this.  I have heard
this works well.

Changing the vibration characteristics of the bars is also possible.
If it was me, I would have Harry Eddy ( the guy that runs Heli
Modified, the handlebar modification company that advertises in all
the moto rags ), who I have known for about 15 years, change the stiffness
of the bars, and include a damper.   The stiffness can be changed by 
changing the shape of the aluminum that makes up part of the bars.
A damper can be constructed by cutting the bars, welding a plug in
one end, and a threaded plug in the other end.  The cavity is filled
with lead shot, then something like 90wt gear oil and then plugged.
With enough thought and money, this can be done for just about any 
type of bar.

I have has the warning signs of CTS, and have had bad hand reactions
from long rides.  The worst was a very long day where my wife was 
nearly killed by an insect while she was a passenger.  We had driven
hundreds of miles, had some very tense moments, and then had to drive
about 100 miles.  When I got off, I was very tired and emotionally
drained.  My hands felt an odd sort of numb -- like they were made 
of steel or something.  Then I began to have auditory hallucinations.
As I tapped my fingers, they seemed to resonate, and I seemed to hear
them singing like tuning forks.... It was time for a few beers and a
nap.


-- 
	 Frank E Perdicaro, Systems Admin, etc.		Xyvision Color Systems
      Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.		101 Edgewater Drive
   inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572				Wakefield MA
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mikej@mentorg.com (Mike Johnson)
Subject: Re: Why Aerostitch instead of leather?
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:53:56 GMT

From article <1aq470INN11p@agate.berkeley.edu>, by timi@mendel.berkeley.edu ( Tim Ikeda):
> 
> Actually, in comment to:
>>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
> about the price of Aerostitch, the price for the two-piece Roadcrafter
> is now about $640 (the one-piece is about $100 less).  No flame
> intended:
The one-piece is listed in the catalog as $597.00

{Stuff about price change deleted}

> Motorcyclist ad still has the old prices).  To their credit, the
> Aerostitch salespeople did not hesitate to honor the $597 advertised
> price.  I'm happy because now I can afford the back-protector
> accessory :^) !!!!!
> 
I am not happy.  I accepted the list price of $637.00.  Rats.  Go to
full rationalization mode...Well if my 40 bucks keeps them in business
longer...

> (PS - My colors are red with grey trim... because it was in stock!
> Most other colors are backlogged 4 weeks.)
Gray with black trim.  And a silver wind triangle.  Which was on sale(;-)

> 
> Tim Ikeda
> (timi@mendel.berkeley.edu  *OR*  timi@wormsex.berkeley.edu)
> '86 Radian   '83 BMW R80RT
>
A fellow rider here at Mentor Graphics has an Aerostich (tm) *Note the
correct spelling*.  I checked it out yesterday.  This is the first time
I have seen one.  I was suprized at the weight.  I have ridden in leathers
but didn't notice that they were so heavy.  I think it is because you put
on the pants, wear them around, get used to the added weight, then put on
your jacket and go ride.  Never just hold up the pants and jacket at the
same time.  Anyway I was suprized.  Another impression was the serious-
ness about the suit.  This thing says *RIDE ME*!  I think you might put
one on and just forget to stop at work in the morning!!  May have to 
warn my manager.  Come-on Oct. 30.  Just thought of it.  Maybe the 
suit will be here for halloween.  Hmmmm

                           Mike Johnson
                           mikej@wv.mentorg.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:50:04 EDT
From: <U2EF5@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Distribution: usa

   I live in Washington, PA and work in Morgantown, WV, 50 miles one
way.  The commute is easy, however, either get on I79 and cruise (there
are never any slowdowns) or take the much more fun, much more time
consuming :-) curvy, twisty side road.  I do this each day with the
bike, at least until the probability of ice patches prevents it :-(.
************************************************************
Gary J. Edwards            |  '82 V45 Sabre
West Virginia University   |
Morgantown, WV             |
U2EF5@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU      |   (304)293-3422 ext. 401
DoD#0615                   |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Enough with the FAQ! THANKS!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:49:51 GMT

All 863 of you who sent me the DoD FAQ are wonderful, you are not
weenies, and I am forever in each of your debt (hmmmm, this could
cost me a lot of beer money!)

Please don't send me any more copies; my delicate newbie heart
can't take it.

Thanks again,
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:53:13 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
: 
: ObMoto:  There were no motorcycles in this movie.
:
Kinda like your garage, huh Ed? 

--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* DoD #496  Bikes past and present: CB175, CB550F, Norton 750, CB350F, XV535  *
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Laszlo Nemeth (laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu) wrote:
: yeah doesn't it suck that bmw has been making the same engine for
: 70 years and i can walk into any BMW dealer and KNOW that they
: have the part i need?

your implication is that you can go into a shop and get parts
for that 70-year old bike.  just in case anybody was fooled
by this, it is simply not the case.

the only thing in common the 70-year old bikes have with today's
is that they are both horizontally opposed twins.  that's it.

-- hesh
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency (was Re: More gasohol)
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:37:21 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <7466@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
> Uh, hmm.  I'm not sure what bob pasker is trying to say exactly.  Perhaps
> he is being deliberately provocative to start a flame war by invoking 
> Lenin (of all people).  So just which side of the fence did you come
> down on bob?  It looked like both sides to me.

what was it that made it so difficult for you to understand?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: calling mature riders
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:03:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com said:
:- >
:- >well, if we're going to start a benefit, noemi might as well be the 
:- >logical choice.  noemi send me your snail mail address.  i have $5
:- >to make your new total a measily $2995.
:- 
:- She *has* a motorcycle!
:- Shouldn't donations flow to the greatest need?
:- 
:- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,


	ed, when she gets the new motorcycle, you get her old one! ;)

	- ravi


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From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Argument Ammo (about the MSF course)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:50:27 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:

>mikel@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael G. Lohmeyer) writes:
>>I would like to teach my wife to ride my bike.
>...
>>I feel that I can teach
>>her well enough to get her safely started, and even better, I can monitor
>>her much better than an MSF course can.

[text deleted]
>Mike I knew better than to even let my wife take the MSF course while I
>was teaching it.  You're inviting emotional disaster.  It's very
>difficult to give coaching and correction to someone you are close to.
[text deleted]
>I'm not saying you wouldn't be a good candidate to teach someone to
>ride, but you should think twice about your choice of students.  Put
>her through the MSF course instead of trying to do it yourself.  In the
>long run, you may wish you had.

I second what Morris says.  I put my girlfriend in an MSF class I was
teaching, and afterward she admitted she wishes that someone else had
taught the class.  It was a case of being `too close' to the instructor.
She took the constructive criticism as personal criticism, no matter how
many times I assured her it wasn't personal.  I won't try it again.

She did learn well though, and is now riding a Honda 650 Hawk GT safely,
quickly, and with great pleasure.
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@hela.ISC-BR.COM
22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9534   |  "Nature bats last..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency (was Re: More gasohol)
Summary: Chrysler turbine
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.151124.15139@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com
(Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|In article <dbc-280992171146@b62003.student.cwru.edu| dbc@po.cwru.edu
|(Dean Cookson) writes:
||In article <1992Sep28.180337.24713@gecko.uucp|, ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
||(Ed Campbell) wrote:
|| 
|||      Whatever happened to Chrysler's gas turbine project?
||
||Didn't they have a problem with the exhaust melting pavement at stop 
||lights?
||
|No, they had an efficiency problem with respect to the fact that the engine
|had to run at almost constant rpm's. In city traffic, this made the car 
|pretty expensive o run.

I thought that the efficiency problem was related to
the difficulty of managing efficient regeneration of exhaust
heat in a package small enough and durable enough for use
in an automobile.  Hot gases blowing out the tailpipe
are so much wasted energy.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
From: jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Drinking & Helmets
Date: 23 Sep 92 21:50:36 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Inc. GSS-AMT, Arlington Heights, Il

alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:

>In article <1992Sep22.171217.26263@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>> Rec.motos Rule #73, all threads shall eventually get round to beer or helemets.

>I'd drink to that, but this damned face shield is in the way.

>Think Peace.
>-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
>AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210

I ran into this very problem last weekend.
Before I took off an an hour long ride to a buddie's place,
I stuffed a 16oz bottle of soda in my pocket, with the intent of
sipping on it while waiting at stoplights along the way.

It wasnt till I was sitting in traffic about half way there and
pulled the bottle out that I realized that my Shoei RF200 full face
helmet made drinking from a bottle pretty much impossible.

Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
consume liquid refreshments while suited up?

-- 
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DoD #0651	'74 Honda CL360
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:43:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>) writes:
>HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET, writes:
>>I have just moved.....and my commute has gone from a 15 minute
>>7 mile trip to >45min god-knows-how-far trip.
>>
>>How far is too far?  I have a cage...but it looks so pretty
>>sitting in the garage.  :-)
>>
>>How far does the average Denizen commute?
>>
>
>~20 mi by most direct route (I-80). Up to 50 mi by the more "interesting"
>route.

Oh, yeah. That's the one-way distance.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: calling mature riders
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 00:03:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1acvtfINNk5a@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> <1992Sep30.223606.15856@cs.ucla.edu>

Ed Green writes:
>HEY!
>She *has* a motorcycle!
>Shouldn't donations flow to the greatest need?
>Ed Green
 
Just send one motorcycle to the name at the top of the list, put
your name at the bottom and send the list to five friends..

At the end of a month you should have 25,000 motorcycles..
 
 
Noemi.. just sell your Kawi to your uncle for $3000 and you'll
both be ready to ride..!
 
                                                        :)
BobR
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:18:13 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

In article <92275.103905HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
>You'd think they'd come up with a detector that would vibrate
>in your pocket like some beepers do.....would save all
>the trouble of mounting, and security.  Still would hurt
>like a bitch if you wreck and land on it tho.
>

Yeah, and it would feel so good vibrating in your pocket that you'd
forget to slow down, so you'd get more tickets...

--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Safety Dispute with American Honda - HELP PLEASE
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13:47:40 GMT

So there I am, goind down the highway and I get an itch behind my right knee.
Whatever feeble attempt at scratching one can make through leathers, I must
make with my right hand. Don't want to slow down too much, pull in the clutch
take hand off throttle, scratch, scratch, scratch, ahhhhh.

I have never had a bike stall by pulling the clutch in at speed. I have never
knwon this to be a possiblity! Imagine if, say, all bikes stalled while
coasting and you couldn't spend ten seconds trying to get your K bike out
of that false neutral?

Is it my imagination or is Honda USA a gerneral pain in the butt?

In article <24SEP92113304@fnalf.fnal.gov> ron@fnalf.fnal.gov writes:
>
>With all the info I've collected, I'm just about ready to write another
>letter to Honda.  Something to the extent that they could do a little better
>with this motorcycle.
>
>I wouldn't mind fooling around with the bike to get it to run better. I 
>wish I didn't by it new because I feel I paid for a warrenty and it should
>mean something and I don't want to void it.

Get them to fix it! What kind of cutomer service is this? Are their bikes that
good that people buy them even if they come with no support?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Gold Wing Sub-Group: Any Interest?
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:08:14 GMT

In article <1asv1jINNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 061092145458@kfps-24-dyn-7.gte.com, cc05@bunny.gte.com (Charlie Cormier) writes:
|> >Please send E-Mail if you're interested in participating in a newsgroup for
|> >Gold Wing enthusiasts. If enough favorable replies are received, I'll look
|> >into making the arrangements.  Thanks.  Cc. (Member GWRRA)
|> 

Another problem is the bloody HUGE bandwidth the Leadwing would
take up. The rec.motorcycles.goldwing subgroup would require 
extra supports...maybe a hydrolic link. Better yet, maybe move
the subgroup to a group that can handle the size...
rec.buildings.two-wheeled. ;-).


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= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
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