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From: kjones@src.dec.com (Kevin Jones)
Subject: Looking for a good boot-fitter near the SF Bay Area
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:44:01 GMT

(I *tried* to limit the distribution, so if you see this and think it
should have been posted to a more limited area, blame the software and
don't offer facetious recommendations for places in Colorado 8->)

A friend of mine needs to get some work done on her ski boots. Being a
complete novice at this game, she bought her boots from a place that
does not provide fitting as part of the service. It now turns out
(unsurprisingly, I'm sure) that she needs some work to get a good fit.

So the reason for my posting: having learnt that there are many shops
that sell ski gear and many fewer that actually have any expertise,
she'd like to ensure that the fitter she goes to is known to be good.
Can anyone recommend any boot fitters within reasonable traveling
distance of the Bay Area?

Many thanks,


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley)
Subject: Re: Texans vs Generalizations !!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct04.215755.26432@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
>
>I don't throw trash out of my car window (like New Mexico would care, 
>considering 
>all the nuclear testing etc.) and I don't even ski on green runs for fear of 
>running into a beginner(not bragging again). 

Of course we care if you Texans throw trash out the window.  We are
not a landfill; your state has many more environmental problems than we 
will ever have.

All the nuclear testing?  There has been one detonation of a nuclear bomb
on New Mexican soil, namely at the Trinity site.  The radiation levels
there have dropped to well below that of an X-ray machine (and these
effects are present within a very small area).  I think you are getting
New Mexico confused with Nevada, which had many above ground tests of
very large atomic weapons during the 50's and 60's.

Steve
-- 
Steve Von Worley
von@cory.berkeley.edu
Computer Science Gradual Student
University of California at Berzerkly 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: philba@microsoft.com (Phil Barrett)
Subject: Innovative Pricing ( was Re: Lift prices roll toward $50)
Date: 03 Oct 92 23:14:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: cattle-car skiing

In article <1992Oct02.235948.6847@news.mentorg.com> phillipb@mentorg.com (Phil Bride) writes:
>Mt. Bachelor in Oregon has moved to "innovative pricing." Last year 
>they started a new ticketing program based on purchasing points. You 
>can buy a 200 point ticket for $33 (last year's price) and each quad 
>run you take takes off 20 points. That my friends, means you are now 
>paying $3.30 per run. The good news is that you can use the tickets 
>for a couple of years good anytime. You can still buy standard all 
>day, as-many-runs-as-you-like tickets at about the same price but 
>they are good for only one day.

They also sell unlimited use tickets.  as I recall, you have to really
wimp-out to not get the per-run cost well below 3.30.  Sure, there are 
cases where it might make sense to buy a point ticket.  I wonder how
many of those partially used tickets get lost or otherwise unused.

>
>Bachelor has done away, for the most part, with ticket checkers 
>in the lift lines. It uses a cattle gate system, (sounds more like 
>my vision east coast skiing). You are corralled into a turnstile gate 
>where you have to plug your ticket into a machine to have your points 
>deducted. Then you can move through the turnstile to the lift.  It's 
>a real pain in the butt. I hated it at first, but after awhile you get 
>used to it, kind of like a rainy day skiing.

This system really sucks.  I hope no other ski areas adopt it.  While
in theory it means lower costs for the resort, the confusion and chaos
that it causes far outweighs any benefit to the customer.  For example,
any group (2, 3 or 4) that is riding together needs to go through the
turnstiles at about the same time.  However, that is nearly impossible for
a number of reasons (differential line speeds, people cutting in,
dysfunctional people, trashed tickets,...) and you will more often than
not find a scene of confusion on the other side of turnstiles as people
regroup to get onto the lift.  Its not at all unusual to see a lot of
empty or half-empty chairs going up.  Even on crowded days. This can be
really disheartening.  In general people were not pleased and the
Batchelor lift lines last year were among the surliest I've ever seen
(no, I *haven't* skied europe).  Maybe the mountain operations people
could get it figured out but what I saw over several days last year was
not encouraging.

I used to like Batchelor because it was a nice friendly little resort.
The lack of major steeps didn't bother me since it was always a lot
of fun and they put a lot of care into their slopes and lift equipment.
I agree, its like a permanent rainy day.  So much for progress...


Phil Barrett
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wanted: Help for Russian skiing glossary
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:23:46 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

This should be fun. 

(1) Bend-zee-knees  -- said with an Austrian accent even by American 
                      instructors 

--
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jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: KILLINGTON OPEN?
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:41:27 GMT

DID KILLINGTON REALLY OPEN TODAY?

					Todd S. (caught off guard away from
						home)
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:37:15 GMT
Subject: FAQ now auto-posting
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Well, it looks like it might be working. The FAQ is now being posted
by a cron job. It should post one section every monday and thursday.
Updates and corrections are still welcome, and there *are* more files
to come...it's just that occasionally they expect me to do some work
around here.

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:32:39 GMT

In article <1aclgqINN2m0@early-bird.think.com>, bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
>In article <SSH.92Sep30092229@snow.boulder.ibm.com>, ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994)) writes:
>|>  
>|> Has anyone else noticed that it seems that man-made snow has a tendency to ice
>|> up slopes, even in the west?  Last year, I found really nice conditions
>|> difficult to find except within a day of a snowfall...
>|> --
>|> Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
>|> Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
>
>Man made snow has more water per unit volume than natural snow.  The 
>difference will vary depending on where the natural snow you are 
>comparing it to is from (i.e. Lake Tahoe and N.E. areas have more water
>than Utah areas).............(stuff deleted)
>
>
>Bob 

MORE WATER PER UNIT VOLUME???  SINCE SNOW IS FROZEN WATER I'D GUESS THAT YOU
ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT PACKS DOWN EASIER.... YUP! Frozen water is frozen
water and it may be different on the ground, but that is what snow is made
of.  One nice thing about snowmaking... Spring skiing! without snowmaking
it wouldn't be the same.... not around here at least! (N.E.) I live about 
ten miles from killington and I can tell you that at my front yard spring
skiing would last until about March first, whereas on Killington one can
expect there to be snow for another quarter of a year after that. 

				TGFSN..Thank
					God
					For
					Snow
					Making....
								Todd S.
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: moving to New Mexico
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:38:49 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) wrote:

>>  [other good info deleted]
> 
>Los Alamos:
>
>	.....  It is fairly
>	small (1100' vertical), but skis larger than it actually is.  

That's the truth. Partly because on the busiest day of the year, Pajarito
develops a 5-10 minute line max. Usually, it has no lift lines.  Pajarito's runs
don't seem to have as much runout as many areas so you pack as much intense 
skiing in each run as many areas do in a 1500 vert drop.  

>	Some of the expert terrain is faily interesting....

Also, they don't go crazy on grooming. Usually, 2-3 runs are groomed. The
rest are allowed to develop.  The bump runs are particularly nice--made by
good skiers on long skis.

>          Los Alamos takes the cake for 
>	"the most snow I have ever personally seen at a ski area in my 
>	life";

From Jan-Mar '92 Pajarito had the most depth after Santa Fe in the
country.

Pararito is not for everyone. But I think about everyone on this board would
like it for change of pace from Taos, Santa Fe, etc.  It's my second favorite
area in NM--after Taos.  Pajarito plans to add a new lift next year. They have
already cut several new expert runs which you can ski--but you need to ferry
back to the area via auto.

Jeff Hudgens
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley)
Subject: Re: Jackson Hole, advice on runs wanted...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:11:54 GMT

In article <MemH4rq00YV70_8lA2@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Uden <tu0b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hi All,
>
>I am taking a group of college people to Jackson January 5-12, 1993.  I
>skiied there three years ago when I was a lesser skier, and stuck to
>pretty pedestrian terrain.  I am looking to draw from the net readers'
>vast knowledge for the best runs at Jackson, with directions to them if
>possible (ie. climb here, around this tree here).  Also, what are the
>chances the Hobacks (?spell) will be open in January?  I heard they are
>awsome, but often only open in March.  Also, is Grand Targhee cat skiing
>worth it?  Any response appreciated!

Well, unfortunately, you can't take for granted that the Hobacks will
be open, even in March.  I was there last spring from March 12-18, and
the Hobacks were completely closed, as well as Corbett's and some other
random (significant) assortment of trails.  This is because it was 50
degrees during the day at the valley floor, and had been for some time;
thus, there was no snow on some of the lower slopes.  Unfortunately,
I was looking forward to skiing them (preferably after a storm), but
we didn't see a flake the whole time we were there.  The trip was
still fun tho; stayed at a roommate's father's house (a gorgeous house
up on the hill to the west of Wilson; great views, I hear he rents it 
for $4000 a week in the winter (!))  We ended up skiing at Targhee
most of the time... fun area, but lot's of people trying to escape
the slush at Jackson.

Anyway, make sure you ski the mogul run under the Thunder lift (perhaps
called thunder(?)).  Totally groovy moguls, fun run!

And of course, if you feel like dying, drop off the lip of Corbett's
(or even better S&S)!

Steve
-- 
Steve Von Worley
von@cory.berkeley.edu
Computer Science Gradual Student
University of California at Berzerkly 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jnovy@nmsu.edu (NOVY)
Subject: Any skiing near Las Vegas?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:39:05 GMT

I am going to be going to Las Vegas,NV  for Christmas this year and
would like to know if there is any good place near there that I could
go skiing?  I don't want to drive but maybe 2 to 3 hours to get to a
ski resort and I am not familiar with that area to even know if
something is even that close or not.  Any ideas would be great!!!!!


Thanks in advance!

James
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Reply-To: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:33:13 GMT

John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:

>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
>for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry?

I prefer Hefty Trash Bags.  They're cheap, waterproof, and the
styling is, well, classic.  :-)

Punch a hole in the bottom, slide the bag over your head and down to
your waist, and secure it with a belt.  When the rain stops, roll the
bag up underneath your jacket to get it out of the way.

					--Lowell Skoog
					  Seattle, Washington
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Help for Russian skiing glossary
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:02:47 GMT

In article <10943@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
>(1) Bend-zee-knees  -- said with an Austrian accent even by American 
>                      instructors 

Glen, I think this should be added to the FAQ.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley)
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:03:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.145425.14233@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>In article 9838@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU, von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) writes:
>>
>>There isn't a drop of water within 200 miles of Taos, except on the
>>Native American reservation, and only because they do rain dances.
>>
>
>Bzzzt.  Thanx for playing, next contestant.  Typical peaks these
>days on the Rio Grande is over 2000 cfs at Taos, albiet very short
>peaks (last week of may).
>
>>Steve Von Worley
>>von@cory.berkeley.edu
>>Computer Science Gradual Student
>>University of California at Berzerkly 
>
>
I shoulda closed captioned it for the humor impaired.

:)						:)
	:)				:)
		:)		:)
			:)
-- 
Steve Von Worley
von@cory.berkeley.edu
Computer Science Gradual Student
University of California at Berzerkly 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 18:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.135611.5700@udel.edu> ih@huey.udel.edu (Charlie Ih) writes:

>I remembered that many years ago when I was in Stowe, many people used
>the garbage bag.  Actually, I know at Blue Mountain, Pa, you can buy
>a plastic cover, a clear and improved garbage bag for a few dollars.
>I alway carry one in my pocket in case of rain.  I think many other
>places sell similar covers.

In Stowe the garbage bags were a prerequisite, since their chair lifts spew
grease every time it rains.  Even as a single on a double or triple chair,
it's impossible to sit in such a way as to dodge all the splatter.  Wipes
off the skis and boots without much ado, but forget about ever getting it
entirely out of clothing.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout - Follow-up
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:11:44 GMT

|> As someone who grew up (at least as a skier) on the slopes of
|> Vermont who now makes at least one pilgimage to the western US or Canadian
|> slopes each year, I should point out that almost every one of the
|> 15-20 western areas I've been to have trails (well, places that people
|> ski, at least :-) ) that are longer and considerably steeper than
|> Outer Limits. But Limits may be more difficult (it is certainly
|> more dangerous) much of the time: whenever the temperature is low
|> enough, they always make snow there, and the blown snow has an even higher
|> moisture content than natural eastern snow, so it quickly gets skied
|> into what easterners call packed power and the westerners call ice. 

In general, each time I come back from Colorado, I notice that 
artificial Killington snow (I don't mean iced-up pack, but fresh powder
out of the gun) is "faster", more "slippery" then natural
snow in the Rockies. 

Secondly, although Western slopes do seem significantly steeper
(some pretty hairy stuff in Aspen Highlands and Aspen itself; people
say it gets even steeper in Jackson and may be Snowbird ; I'm not looking
forward to it), indeed Outer Limits seem  to be more difficult to ski. 
It is usually iced up ; besides, ski traffic creates bump shapes and 
patterns that I rarely see in Colorado, which adds significant challenge.

This is NOT the kind of challenge that creates excitement, just
aggravation, however.

|> As for other trails in the east, there are some that are steeper,
|> but not for as long a stretch. One at Mt. Snow, which used to be called
|> Slalom Glade but was renamed Freefall is steeper, but only about 1/3 the
|> length; I'm pretty sure that there are other steeper (but shorter) ones
|> at Stowe, and possible Hunter (K2 was supposed to be the steepest several
|> years ago).

The trail  in Hunter is K27 and it is steeper then OL. Another very steep
Hunter trail , Anapurna ,  is perpetually closed.
Killington itself has steeper terrain : e.g.,neighbouring Devil's Fiddle;
often-neglected Ovation is significantly steeper and has sustained pitch, 
headwalls of Superstar and Sky Lark are steeper.
OL has three features : 
	it has sustained pitch, looking like almost and artificial thing.
	it goes right under the lift
	it  is in full view, almost top to bottom, from the Bear Mountain Lodge.
that make it a good "publicity" slope.
 

Sergei
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Man-made snow
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:32:35 GMT
	<SSH.92Sep30092229@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <BvEF1M.I8J@solbourne.com>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 15:58:32 GMT, gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) said:

AG> Obviously you need to visit more areas that don't do any snowmaking.
AG> Ski Cooper; only snow "from god".  [jsalmi will like that].  Much
AG> of Loveland, ABasin.  The back bowls of Vail.  

Actually, I do.  I'm just curious if others have noticed this "problem" with
the "wonderful" man-made stuff.  It seems to me that it actually reduces the
quality of the times of the year when "pretend" snow isn't needed...
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
From: atkins@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM (Brian Atkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:23:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Any skiing near Las Vegas?
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

There used to be a place called Lee's Canyon about an hour North of 
Las Vegas.

Brianhead, UT (near Cedar City if I remember correctly) is about 4 hrs, 
and often has very good conditions.  This is the closest place for "real"
skiing (Lee's Canyon is very small, 1 or 2 lifts and some ropes if I 
remember correctly).

Another options (though I wouldn't consider it much of one) is the Big Bear 
area above LA.  It's about 3/4 hours, maybe faster if there is back way
from the North or east.  It's usually got nasty conditions and large
crowds.

Brian Atkins

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:37:56 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <bassuk.717723079@milton> bassuk@milton.u.washington.edu (Jim Bassuk) writes:
>johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>
>>In article <323@mindlink.bc.ca> John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:
>>>
>OK.......where can you find O'Neils ski pants......major chain or mail-order?
>

O'Neil's has a shop (actually two I think) in Santa Cruz.  Hold on, let me
see if I've got a SC phonebook here.....

Yep, here it is:

O'Neill's Surf Shop
1149 41st Ave 
Capitola, Ca
(408) 475-4151

The ski pants are loose fitting, generally "bell'd" at the bottom and I've
seen them in waist high and bib overall type styles.  They're very comfortable
to ski in when it's cold and raining/snowing because they stretch.  
-- 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.054216.19866@unixg.ubc.ca> koichi@unixg.ubc.ca
(Koichi J Kishimoto) writes:
>I haven't seen a FAQ for this group.

Hope you saw it.

>Skiers (I believe) are often classified into beginner, intermediate, 
>advanced and expert. Here is what I feel the classifications mean:
>
>Any comments welcome (especially from instructors).

Depends on the purpose of the classification.

Runs are rated 1st as a warning to avoid getting in over your head
and 2nd to challenge and test those who think they are capable of doing
them (which can kill them in some cases).  But those are runs, not people.
Or maybe it's to sell skis (a combination of attention to detail in design
and marketing hype).

We don't use classifications to regulate people travelling or skiing, etc.

Personally, I don't believe in experts in mountain activities.
I think you should always be out there learning.  You might be the Olympic
Gold Medalist in the Downhill or GS for 1994, but you might no nothing
about avalanche safety.  I know that Ron Perla, the man who wrote on of the
books on avalanches doesn't think of himself as more than a student of
avalanches.  The Medalist is no more the expert than Perla (although his
ego might not say that).  Put Nordic boards on him: is he as good?
What about water skis?

I would not worry about classifications.		Just ski.

Extreme skiing: you fall, you die.  Nothing more than that.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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