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From:         "The Large Guy with Buckwheat's Hair." <LANDAS88@SNYPOTVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Amiga user needs purchasing help

Steve,
   As of now the toster is only AMIGA 2000 plug compatible ready.  Which means
if you get a higher model, it should still work but you'll have to buy an
adapter (toaster coazy) I believe it's called.  If you get a 2000 you will
also want to buy an accelerator for it 68030 or preferable a 68040 based
accelator board.  If you go for the 030 look at the VECTOR accelerator IMHO it
offers the best features.  The VECTOR will allow you to use memory and
a Harddrive on board in 68000 mode if you decide to boot into 68000 mode to
run an older piece of software that won't run on an 030 or just runs to fast.
You'll probably want to get a relatively large HardDrive.  If you are going to
be doing extensive Video work.  A good combination I would recomend would be
a 300 meg non-removable SCSI and an 88mb removable SCSI so you can switch
disks for wxtra storage.  Of course most of this depends on budget.  If you
want to stay top of the line on the Amiga model side go with the A4000.
But I'll have to concede that I'm not sure if the Toaster is fully compatible.
I've never tried it on a 4000.  (* Any 4000 users out there care to comment. *)
There are some nice toster ready worstations for sale already check your
latest AmigaWorld issue for pricing.  But putting your own system together will
probably be a little less expensive.

Here's a system I'd rcommend.  (Please don't flame this is only an opinion.

A2000   base system......     price      $700      [All prices are approximate.]
Toaster                       price               (Not sure... mmmm maybe $1099]
Vector board no memory or HD  price      $649

300 meg HD              probalby around. $420

88 mb removable SCSI          price      $510

memory for Vector industry standard simms... prices vary .. check memory world.

1084s monitor                            $259  <--- I think haven't even looked
                                               for these in 4 yrs.

Well I hope this helps a little I'm sure it'll be a bit confusing.....

If you have any questions about what I've said just write me direct at
IN%"landas88@snypotva.bitnet" , and I'll be glad to answer them.

I'm sure many others on the list will have different oppinions on what system
you'll want to get..

-Nyle
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From:         Dan Szkola <A02DJS1@NOC.NIU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: DSP??

>Date:          Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:45:46 GMT
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>From:          Kelvin Leung <abs0@COOS.DARTMOUTH.EDU>
>Subject:       Re: DSP??
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>A02DJS1@NOC.NIU.EDU (Dan Szkola) writes:
>
>>    Not many people are aware of the ability of AT&T to develop new
>>    technology. (Although I think I remember reading about this DSP
>>    a looong time ago.) Alas, to some people AT&T is just a long
>>    distance company with bad commercials.
>>    I can't find my info on it anymore, maybe I'll ask on USENET,
>>    because that's where I heard the specs recently.
>
>most people who know about Computers wont consider AT&T a mere company
>which lousy commercials.  (know about Computers doesn't just imply being
>able to insert a floppy and delete files through the trashcan, of course... :)
>I bet most people have heard of AT&T Bell Lab.
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>Kelvin
>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

 I would bet most people have heard of Bell Labs, but don't know
 it is part of AT&T.
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From:         Magnus Wissler - Amiga rules <NDB120@NOV.HB.SE>
Subject:      C++ compilers (was Re: riscy business)

> From:          BINKY <CSHD92IB@VAXA.ANGLIA-POLYTECHNIC.AC.UK>

[stuff deleted]
>
> Finally, anyone know of a decent C++ compiler for the amiga, and how compliant
> is it to current PC C++ compilers?

Well, the GNU C++ complier (GCC) is available (is it freeware/shareware or
what?) on many FTP sites, amongst them are wuarchive (I think :-). The
question isn't really (or shouldn't be) how compliant it is to the PC
compilers, but rather its compliancy with ANSI or other standards (I don't
know whether there are any standards for C++ yet, though). Most C++-specific
features such as classes, virtual member functions, multiple inheritance and
perhaps streams should be fairly standard among the different compilers. We
use TC++ 3.0 over here, with BC++ to be installed soon, and I'll tell you
it's a beauty :-P  Why aren't there any decent integrated editor/compiler/
linker/debugger applications for the Amiga? When you've used Borland's
products you get a little spoilt, I know, but if we're to expect truly
professional applications for the Amiga, then we deserve the tools to create
them.

>
> Ian
>

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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:13:47 -0500
From:         CAMACHO@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      GVP A530

If I run Showconfig from the tools draw... My system shows a
68030 and MMU... The A530 uses the cheaper 68030, this it has NO MMU..
why does Showconfig say that my system has one? Also, can GVO replace
the 68030 with the normal 68030 that has the MMU.... Most Amiga
programs don't use the MMU... but I would like to get Amax II, and
I heard that many Mac programs do.


 Carlos
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:27:00 CST
From:         MIKE <HENMD@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Ncomm 3.0???

 I have seen a program listed in a file list that goes by the name Ncomm 3.0.
 I have talked to a couple of people who have this archive, and they say it's
Ncomm with Bimodem built in. They also said that it seemed very scaled-down in
that it didn't have a lot of the features found in 2.0. This sounds strangely
suspicious to me, especially since there was the bogus (supposedly) posting
of the XPR-bimodem library source to wuarchive.
 Is there really a true, valid version of Ncomm that is 3.0, or is this file
to be avoided at all costs?
 thanks
                        Mike Henson
                        henmd@rhodes.bitnet
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From:         YDEZTJA@IUP.BITNET
Subject:      Commodore HDs for the A500?

I recently heard Commodore makes a external HD for the A500. The A590,
or something like that...
Anyone own one?
If so, how is it???

Thanx;

Captain *CRASH*
(In an eternal search for the best Hard Drive buy...)
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:11:00 EDT
From:         GADGET <SHALEY@ALBION.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 14400 bps modem

You are correct..  Any PC compatable modem will work with the standard RS232
serial port on the Amiga.  That means you can buy anything from Zoom to US
Robotics, and all will (should) work just fine.

                                        laterdays,
                                        SLH.
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From:         "Richard W. Jamison" <rwj@ENGR.LATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Changing WB-Screen

There's a share ware program available called 'Tapestry'
that'll do what you want.  I use it regularly, and only very rarely have
any problems (most of which are due to tapestry and oplay confusing each other,
I THINK.  I spaced them out and the problems seem to have gone away.)  I
think I got  tapestry from wuarchive, but I'm not sure.  It may have been
amiga.physik.  Archie should be able to tell you.  Tapestry sort of blows
the layered window illusion, because it shows through all WB windows, but
it's worth it to me.  BTW:  I still run 1.3 too!

Bill Jamison
rwj@engr.latech.edu
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In article <9301191121.AA02890@athena.mecaflu.ec-lyon.fr>
 AUBERT@FRFLU51.BITNET writes:
>Hello, AmigaLand.
>
>A friend of mine doing numerical simulation in accoustic would like to "hear"
>the noise produce by 3 vortices. He knows in one point (the microphone) the
>accoustic intensity (in dB)  as fonction of time when the votices are moving.
>I=f(t) where I is the intensity in dB, t is time in second.
>
>Does any one around here know how to convert a file including t and I(t) to
>something playable by Amiga? I am not necessary looking for a prog. doing such
>a thing, I could write it (I think ...). But I lack information about sound
>file format on Amiga.

    The Amiga sound-file standard is called 8SVX, and the specs are probably
available on one of the Fish disks, and also in the RKM Devices manual
(v2.0).
    Samples are signed bytes (-128 to 127). The maximum playback rate is
about 28000 samples/sec for the DMA hardware. He would probably have to
determine the maximum amplitude (intensity?) over the given time period and
convert the intensity values into the range -127 to 127. Hopefully your
friend can figure out the exact relationship between sample values and
intensity. My guess is it's (supposed to be) proportional to the pressure.
    Several software packages, PD and commercial, will convert raw byte samples
into 8SVX format.
    Why not simulate two microphones and create stereo samples?

    By the way, just what is a 'vortex'?

>Any help is wellcome,
>Stef.

--

Doug Johnson		  *     May the best defense contractor win.
Windsor, ON		  *             - Prisoners of Gravity
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From:         JVENTOLA@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: DSP??

I'll bite.
What is DSP?
Desktop S P?

jventola@ecn.mass.edu
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From:         Michael Hardy 6-93 <hardymic@MAINRT.LUTHER.UNI.EDU>
Subject:      .Z

Is the .Z extension on files another packing method?  If so
is the unpacker in a typical .../utils/pack directory at
an ftp station?  I can't seem to find it?

Thanks in advance for any help on the .Z's.  :)

                        -mIke

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Subject:      PD comm prg that uses kermit???

I'm looking for a PD Comm program which is:
A: small

B: uses Kermit, Zmodem, Xmodem

c: easy to use


Thanks;

Captain *CRASH*
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From:         "Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)" <cms@DRAGON.COM>
Subject: Re: Folklore and mysticism

>From: Martha Smith <mjsmith@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU>
>Subject: Re: New Subscriber Bio
>To: Multiple recipients of list CATHOLIC <CATHOLIC@AMERICAN.EDU>
>
>Okay, okay ... a little about myself:
>
>Martha Eshelman-Smith:
>occupation: computer-nerd payroll type at University of Washington
>avocations: chair of Washington State Folklife Council

 Hi Martha!  Welcome to the list.  I'm have a Religious Studies degree
and became interested, for a time, in religious folklore.  I have
collections of folk religious beliefs.  I'm on the lookout for a book
I've heard about on Catholic Folk Beliefs and Tales (or some such),
but can't find it anywhere.  Have you heard of it?  I also conducted
an interesting survey on the Net a while back on religious folktales
from different cultures around the world.  Mostly North American
responses, but a few international.

>            former board member Seattle Storytellers' Guild

 I have a particular interest in the Bible as literature.  One of my
great delights is retelling popular Bible stories orally, as they must
have been originally transmitted.  The story of Tobit is great for
this kind of retelling, it being an ancient folktale; Jonah also falls
into this category, as does the Elija/Elisha cycle.  (So does Genesis,
but let's not start an argument about _that_ :-) ).

>            past-chair (present member) Blessed Sacrament Parish Council
>            coordinator of lay liturgical ministers - Blessed Sacrament
>Education: BA - philosophy
>           MA - Buddhist studies special interests in comparative mysticism
>                and religious narrative

 I'm a Thomas Merton fan myself, and have studied a little Buddhist
mysticism, but not much.  I'm especially fond of Therese of Avila,
Theresita of the Child Jesus, Juliana of Norwich, Catherine of Sienna,
Bernard of Clairveaux, and Thomas Aquinas (yes, he was a mystic too,
though many deny it).  I'm guessing you're kinda sorta into Catholic
mysticism too?  By the by, what do you think of Robert Alter?  Have
you read his fairly recent new book, THE WORLD OF BIBLICAL LITERATURE?

>Family: two grown kids, a teenage foster son, 1 grandson, 4 cats
>e-mail: mjsmith@u.washington.edu

In Jesus Son of Mary,

Cindy Smith
cms@dragon.com

The pillars of the heavens tremble,
   awe-struck at his threats.
By his power, he has whipped up the Sea,
   by his skill, he has crushed Rahab.
His breath has made the heavens luminous,
   his hand transfixed the Fleeing Serpent.

         Book of Job 26:11-13
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From:         Thomas McGinnis <tfm+Catholic@CS.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anglicans,Divorce, and Royalty

In article <1993Jan21.040032.3016@news.nd.edu>, jocallag@artin.helios.nd.edu
 (john ocallaghan) writes:
>I am hoping to get some information from our Anglican friends out there.
>I read recently, I don't remember where, that an Anglican bishop, either
>on behalf of or in concurrence with the Archbishop of Canterbury, stated in
>the House of Lords that divorce and remarriage on the part of the Prince of
>Wales would not bar him from serving as head of the Church of England.
>
>Can anyone confirm this statement.

 I can neither confirm nor deny this (and I'm Roman rather than Anglican,
so I'm not sure what weight it would carry if I could), but allow me to ask
a more naive question (since I too heard confusing things regarding Charles'
state of marriage wrt ascendancy):

 Wasn't the Anglican schism directly inspired (at least on the face of it
-- I've heard of lots of deeper causes) by Henry VIII's desire to divorce
and remarry?

>Peace,
>John

Pax et Bonum,
Tom.
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Thomas F. McGinnis                                     tfm+Catholic@cs.cmu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:58:09 HST
From:         Len Howard <tas@PEGASUS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Anglicans,Divorce, and Royalty
              "Re: Anglicans,Divorce, and Royalty" (Jan 21, 11:12am)

John, thank you for the concise history of the events leading to the
separation of the Church of Enland from the Church of Rome.  I would
only add that Henry (and subsequent English monarchs) was given the
title "Defender of the Faith" which is still used, in return for
writing and promulgating, in Latin, wers to Luther's 90 proclamations.
So it was not reay Henry's intent to separate from the Church
entirely.  And the legal act that Henry envoked was a 14th century
English law forbidding the acceptance of a bull (law) of a foreign
prince, and the Pope was so considered.
    I found this phase of our Church history course most interesting,
also the study of how the Episcopal Church came to Hawaii, which is
another post altogether.
    Thanks again, John.                      Len Howard
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From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:17:21 GMT

In article <1k110fINN4dq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault) writes:
>>to the times, or will there ultimately be two catholic churches, the
>one based in rome and a more liberal american-based one?
>
>i think that a big split is coming.
>
>+----+ +----+ +   + +----+ +----+       Jerry Renault
>!    ! !    ! !\  ! !      !    !       bf248@po.cwru.edu
>!----+ !    ! ! \ ! ! ---+ !    !       
>!      !____! !  \! !____! !____!       

    Seems to me that if the Church in America split off, it would cease
to be Catholic.  (Or catholic, for that matter.)  Controversies often
attract a lot of attention, but I think the unity of the Church is a 
good deal stronger than the major media would indicate.


John Rickert					Nec vitia nostra
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu		nec remedia pati
-standard disclaimers-				possumus.   -- Livy

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From:         URSIC@ASTRO.CS.HH.AB.COM
Subject:      Re: Receiving Holy Communion in the Episcopal Church

Stephen Barr <15942@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU> writes:
>Well, JJ, the reasons for the rules as I understand them are not childish.
>But (as the Church with the Eucharist) I do not dispense my explanations
>except to those who are properly disposed to receive them. :-). Steve.
Why does it not surprise me that you want me to say "Pretty please, with
sugar on top?":-) -J.J.
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From:         mlj@EVOLVING.COM
Subject:      Re: condemnation of homosexual acts is (un)necessary...
              93 6:35 am

Steve,

You still don't get it :-)!  Homosexual acts have been and still are wrong
and determintal to one's relationship with God.  This is proclamed throughout
the bible and history.   You, however, chose to say:
> We must believe that the Spirit continues to lead the hearts of mankind.
TRUE, but what you are saying is:  God in the third persion, the Holy Spirit,
All Knowing and Divine, is speaking and leading the hearts of mankind by
saying "Forget what I said before, I don't know what I could have been
thinking, I made a mistake, homosexual acts are now okey".
NO, God is all knowing and the full consequences of what He says are also known.
When God says something, He means it, period.

--mlj
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From:         mayo@CS.UTK.EDU
Subject:      "One Bread, One Body", Feb 5

                    Friday, February 5, 1993
                          Saint Agatha

Hebrews 13:1-8              Psalm 27            Mark 6:14-29

                  HIGH CHURCH AND LOW CHURCH

"Love your fellow Christians always." --Hebrews 13:1

Think of the themes of the Sunday homilies preached in your parish this new
year.  Examine your parish bulletin.  What's going on in your parish?  List
the five highest priorities in your parish, based not on the parish mission
statement but on what gets the most time, attention, and financing.

Five priorities listed at the end of the letter to the Hebrews are:

  1) showing hospitality (Heb 13:2).
  2) being mindful of prisoners (Heb 13:3).
  3) honoring marriage "in every way" (Heb 13:4).
  4) being content and not loving money (Heb 13:5).
  5) remembering and imitating our leader's (Heb 13:5).

In Hebrews, we see a church which is poor, sharing, persecuted, committed,
pure, content, and obedient.

Most churches today have quite different concerns.  Few Christians in our
churches radically live the gospel.  Few marriages in our parishes are
notably different from those in the world.  In our materialistic society,
most Christians are consumers first and Christians second.  We seem always
to want more possessions and pleasures.  But we don't want anyone, including
our pastoral leaders, telling us what to do.  Our church is different from
the church addressed in the letter to the Hebrews.  Why?


Prayer:  Father, may my life and my church be based on the Bible.

Promise: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."  Heb 13:8

Praise:  Saint Agatha was martyred because she remained faithful to her call
         to virginity.
-----
From "One Bread, One Body", reproduced with permission.
 Nihil Obstat: Rev. Edward J. Gratsch
 Imprimatur:  +Most Rev. James H. Garland, V.G.
              Archdiocese of Cincinnati, October 15, 1992.
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From:         "Donald J. Magee" <djm@TRENT.ATT.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Real Presence
              "URSIC@ASTRO.CS.HH.AB.COM" at Jan 26, 93 11:01 am

> If you only make a spiritual communion at a Roman Catholic Mass (In your
> mind, not in your Hand:-), I don't really see your problem with receiving
> a Host consecrated by a woman. The worst it could be would be merely a
> spiritual communion. (I'd say the odds favor the Real Presence:-)
>

   The worst it could be is blasphemy.  Worship of a piece of bread
instead of the Body of Christ.

And, I didn't know we based theology in statistics.
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