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From: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:01:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.003257.3727@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.001643.25588@meteor.wisc.edu>, stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt) writes:
>> What does the unemployment rate tell you? Nothing, the way it is defined.
>> People looking for a job and unable to find one for an extended period don't
>> count in the unemployment stats, nor do those who are so discouraged that they
>> stop looking. And, more and more people are having to accept part-time jobs
>> or temporary positions without benefits who used to have full time jobs with
>> benefits, and these people also don't count in the unemployment stats. If you
>> talk to people and look around, you will see that the employment situation
>> is very bad right now for *decent* employment, but low wage jobs with no or
>> poor benefits are fairly available. The employment situation is miserable in
>> most parts of the country.
>
>	Unemployement is just as good as every other indicator we have:
>unreliable.  However, applied consistently it can at least give us a ballpark
>figure by which to compare different times.

Not if the conditions it undercounts unemployment change drastically during
that time, which has been the case. Employment conditions have changed during
the past decade or so such that it undercounts far more than it ever did, and
thus is not a consistent measure even though it is a consistent definition.

>	And as far as "low wage" jobs go, no one is going to ensure that each
>and every college grad is going to earn $30k their first year.  Nor should
>they.  Always depending on constant (and high) wages and increases leads to the
>same problem as assuming that your house will continue to appreciate and that
>prices will rise.
>	It would be nice if these things always happened like this, but they
>don't.  A good economy will make sure that people spend a minimum amount of
>time between jobs and that their next job is of similar pay.  You know, like
>the 1980s.

The 1980's were a time of reduction in skilled workforce and expansion in the
lower paying service sector --> new jobs were LOWER paying. Unfortunately I
don't have stats to post, someone who does could post them.

>Brett                                                      

Stephen Jascourt   stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
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From: sperry@sdd.hp.com (Rob Sperry (Temp))
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: ELECTIONS 92: Clinton/Gore on Labor
Date: 3 Sep 1992 03:23:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
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|> 
|> Sign the Workplace Fairness Act to ban permanent 
|> replacement of striking workers and preserve the 
|> collective bargaining process.  Bill Clinton is 
|> committed to the rights of working men and women to 
|> organize and bargain collectively, and supports the 
|> repeal of Section 14b of the Taft-Hartley Act to 
|> create a level playing field between labor and 
|> management. 
|> 


      I am quite ignorant about this subject so could someone please
  explain the line of reasoning that lead to the above.  I don't understand
  why an employer should not be legaly allowed to replace a striking 
  worker. 

Rob Sperry
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From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:42:00 GMT

Jeff Dauber writes
> Carl Edman writes:
> >Jeff Dauber writes
> >> I tend to think that this is a far more emotional issue than
> >> People's Park. This will not be activists rioting, it
> >> will be the disenfranchised rioting. I am not in a
> >> position to judge their rage.  
> >
> >But you do feel in a position to judge the rage of a group of LA cops who
> >beat up a 'motorist' ? Or the rage of a group of klansmen buring down the
> >house of a black family ?
> 
> 
> Look up "disenfranchised"...

Well, I'm not in the habit of taking orders from voices on the internet, but  
for you I'll make an exception. From Websters dictionary:

disfranchinse
: to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or  
immunity, esp: to deprive of the right to vote

By that definition your looters whose "rage" you can't find in your heart to  
judge are not disenfranchised. They certainly have all legal rights of a  
citizen of the US, including the right to vote. As a matter of fact as far as  
looters of color are concerned they even have more of a vote than most other  
americans as the law guarantees districts gerrymandered in their favour.  
They've used that right to put some 30 african-americans into congress and many  
other politicians of color, including the vilest racist scum of the likes of  
Rep. Gus Savage. 

KKK members on the other hand do not have any districts gerrymandered into  
their favour. As a matter of fact, in some places they have been deprived of  
their rights under the first ammendment. There also is not a single national  
elected public offical who is openly a member of the KKK. (Though Senator  
Robert "Pork" Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia and ex-Senate majority leader and  
currently chairman of the Senate appropriations comittee used to be a KKK  
Wizard).

So by the definition, the looters were not disenfranchised, but KKK members may  
be. So maybe you meant you can only understand the "rage" of _enfranchised_  
looters and arsonists ?

	Carl Edman
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Subject: Re: ADL dismayed by Ohio court decision
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:42:39 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	The Ohio law was struck down for being too vague.  If the ADL or anyone
else is going to pout about that, tough.

	We don't want big brother telling us what to think.

Brett                                                      
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From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 22:13:02 GMT

harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>Reduction in Department of Energy budget for 
>        renewable energy between 1981 and 1989: 90%  <========== 

So, you would support increased funding for the establishment of nuclear
power generators throughout the US?

MD
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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: nicaraugua "resistance"
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:43:13 GMT

In article <92245.205013HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>And I never cease (or, as you would have it, ceace) 

Another spelling flame! Sorry about that but I suffer from dyxlexia and
have a hard time with spelling sometimes. You should be ashamed of yourself
for your lack of sensivity.

Now if we can stop picking on the handicapped...

>to be amazed at
>the lies you right-wing loonies reach for in your attempts to discredit
>decent people who don't agree with you. "Extrajudicial" was *NOWHERE*
>in the post you're responding to. 

He said he thought he would feel some sense of justice if he lived
there about those executions. No, he didn't say extrajudicial but that
is what they where.

>He talked about the
>execution of murderers, not the "extrajudicial" execution of "opponents".

Um, tell me, in what court where these people tried? What legal authority,
in proceedings meeting international standards for fairness, judged them
guilty and sentenced them with death?

If you can't answer these questions then they where indeed extrajudicial
executions.

>You're sickening.

From you I can only consider that high praise. I oppose terrorism and the
death penalty everywhere. You apparently are, at best, selective in
your opposition.

  Allen

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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:58 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA action materials and news
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500303:cdp:1296500315:000:642
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 27 18:58:00 1992


Today, Aug. 27, I also talked to Representative Allen Wheat's office.  Wheat
is a Democrat from Missouri who has been active in working to help the
countries in the "Horn of Africa," including Somalia.

A spokesman for the office said that public pressure is "without a doubt
necessary for the Somalian aid program.  The thing that has happend in the
Horn of Africa is that it gets attention for a while, and things happen,
then the attention slacks off, and nothing is done.  This emergency is
going to last for at least a year.  The food that is going now is going to
help, but there will have to be continuing aid."

Please see next post.

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From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.environment,ba.general,sci.environment,talk.environment,uc.general,bit.listserv.scuba-l
Subject: Urgent:Ocean Protection Bill Needs HELP!
Keywords: ocean,toxics,drilling
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:04:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

The California Coastal Sanctuary act is in need of your help.
Gov.Wilson (Calif.) has it on his desk, but it may be vetoed...

A QUICK RESPONSE IS NECESSARY!

If protection of our ocean coastline and wildlife is important
to you please call (OR FAX) Gov. Wilson of California today.

"Sign the California Coastal Sanctuary Act
 AB-10 and AB 854 !"
 
If the oceans die- we die!

Gov Pete Wilson
State Capitol
PO Box 94268
Sacramento,CA. 94268-0001

(916) 445-2841

(916) 445-4633 (fax)


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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
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Subject: NAFTA NEWS: Women Workers Blast NAFTA ; PBS Special
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:48:34 GMT
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Topic 153       TRADE.NEWS 8-31-92 
kmander Updates on GATT & NAFTA Negotiations     8:28 am  Aug 31, 1992 
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NAFTA News Summary 
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WOMEN WORKERS BLAST NAFTA 

A cooperative of women workers along the U.S.-Mexico border  
has released a statement predicting the North American Free  
Trade Agreement would turn the "terrible situation" for women  
workers along the border into a "disaster."  La Mujer Obrera is  
calling for an "International Day of Protest" to demand that the  
universal rights of workers be protected.  The group states: "The  
intent of the FTA is to eliminate all laws, regulations, or tariffs  
that corporations feel hinder their access to the three countries'  
workforce, natural resources and market.  Negotiations have  
focused little if any attention on the impact the FTA will have  
on labor rights, environmental concerns, or health and welfare  
standards."  The organization is calling on other groups to  
sponsor protest actions on September 29, 1992 to draw  
attention to NAFTA. 

Source: LA MUJER OBRERA PRESS RELEASE, August 7, 1992. 
_________________________________________________________ 
Resources: 

1. On September 7, U.S. Public television will be presenting  
"Leaving Home," a one-hour "road trip across North America to  
see the impact Free Trade will have on you."  Most stations will  
be showing the film September 7, but some are showing it on  
other days in September.  Check the public television station in  
your area for times. 
_________________________________________________________ 
Note: The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy is closed  
this week so there will be fewer bulletins.  If a major trade  
announcement is made there will be special updates, otherwise  
the regular schedule will resume next week. 
_________________________________________________________ 
Produced by: 
Kai Mander     
The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) 
1313 Fifth Street SE, Suite #303 
Minneapolis, MN 55414-1546 USA 

Telephone:(612)379-5980 Fax:(612)379-5982  
E-Mail:kmander@igc.org 
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:47:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <adams.715634538@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:

>edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) inexplicably writes:

>>Semite DOES NOT mean caucasoid.  Look at the word "semi"te. Semi means half, 
>>would you agree.  Semite is referring to how the Jews were half white.  

>Oh now this is rich!  Semite comes (apparantly) from the son of Abraham, Shem.
>Shemite's became Semites (From Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English). 

Well, correct, except for the fact that Shem was traditionally one of NOAH's
sons.
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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:19:20 GMT

I really hope that Ms. Pope left her terminal logged in and that she really
doesn't believe this...but...

edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:

>In article <adams.715381348@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes...
>> 
>>Define 'white'.  Hmm.  I could have sworn that Semites are Caucasoid.
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Semite DOES NOT mean caucasoid.  Look at the word "semi"te. Semi means half, 
>would you agree.  Semite is referring to how the Jews were half white.  

Oh now this is rich!  Semite comes (apparantly) from the son of Noah, Shem.
Shemite's became Semites (From Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English). 

>Look at Exodus.  Here we have all these Hebrews leaving Africa (that's right 
>Egypt is in Africa) but where were they going?!  No one seems to know.  
To Cannan.  Just as they came from (according to the Bible) Ur, in Babylon.

>Well, they were headed northward to Europe.  Thru intermarriage the Hebrews 
>became know as semites to distiguish (i.e. prejudice) them from other whites.
>THAT'S RIGHT, FOLKS! The original Jews were African, and thru hundreds of 
>years of intermarriage with the Europeans they became "white", but people 
>like Hitler never forgot that the Jews were of African descent which is why 
>he wanted to destroy them.
Semites are Middle Eastern.  They are NOT African.  They were never black.

>This does not mean that I (or anyone else) dont consider the Jews of today to 
>be white.  To me, their just as white as any white person (and I'm sure 
>they'll agree).  For the record, I'm not a fascist, racist, or Black 
>nationalist. I only believe in TRUTH as hard as it may be to find in this 
>day and age!
Especially when one is so ignorant of reality...

 -Steve
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Seven former U.S. officials are suing the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
They're charging that the FEC should have punished the American Israel Public 
Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the pro-Israel lobby group, for illegally directing
campaign contributions to favored candidates. The FEC turned the other cheek 
even through its own general counsel found that AIPAC had probably violated 
the law.  The seven include former Under Secretary of State George Ball, 
former Illinois Rep. Paul Findley and Andrew Kilgore, former U.S. ambassador 
to Qatar.
From: rashty@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Voice of America station in ISRAEL.
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:00:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Subject : Voice of America in Israel Southern Desert - Jordan Valley.

The American have decided to build up a transmition station for the Voice of
America in the Jordan Valley (Israeli territory), This transmition station was
meant to broadcast to the soviet Union and other eastern-europe countries.
The decision to build this station was taken before the new changes in the
Soviet Union accrued.
In this days this decision is becoming reality since the Bush administration
for some unknown reason want's to continue with this plan, The transmition
station will be 300. meters hight and will release a huge amount of energy.
The damage is both to the people around who are mostly farmers leaving in a
Moshav (some sort of a community life in israel) and also to the nature.

The jordan valley is the main migration root for more than a billion birds who
travel each year from AFRICA to EUROPE, many birds watchers come to observe
this spectacular sine each year and this new transmition station is a big threat
to the birds migration , Think about it that if the birds migration from
africa to europe will be harmed many birds that are rare today will be
disappeared !!!. The second harm is to the area around since the transmition
station is going to be build on about 8000 donams of beuttiful desert land, The
Israeli desert is quit small and very unique, This transmition station is
threatening one of the last places of butty with have in this desert.

I'm calling anyone who has interest to help us with our struggle which is not
a local struggle for my test but an international one on the future of birds
in this region of the world .
The decision to build the station was taken long time ago, This day there in no
reason to build it but the beocreacy make it impossible to stop the decision.
There are a lot of demonstration in israel about this plan but we need an
international help of environment organization to make the u.s government change
the decision and by that save the future of birds, nature and man in the area.
I think that the struggle is not lees important then the struggle about whales
or other animals in other parts of the world.
If you have any hand in an environment organization or you can write to your
representative please do so and help us with our struglee.
For more details write to:

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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:31 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA action materials and news
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500303:cdp:1296500312:000:1853
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 27 18:31:00 1992


Today I spoke with Ann Stingle of the International Committee for the Red
Cross, and asked her about the flights seen on CNN.  She said, "It is a 
start and a good start.  But the food must keep going, keep flowing.  If
the public thinks, "Well, food is getting through," and turns its attention
away, that could cause problems.

"Senator Kassebaum and Andrew Natsios of the US goverment have been very
good.  But there is only so much they can do.  The single most difficult
problem we have had is with the media.  In the spring the aid agencies
were pleading in desperation with the media.  It was said that the American
people don't care about Somalia.  But the American public can only care
about images that the media gives them.  If the images aren't there, the
public can't care.

"Somalia has to be kept in the public mind, in the public eye,  Letters
to editors of newspapers are good.

"It's not just American opinion.  It's world opinion.  The whole international
community has to care.

"Secretary General Boutros-Ghali is good, but he has to deal with the
Security Council.  And the Security Council members respond to public
opinion in their countries.  So there is a ripple effect."

She said the former estimates of needed food-40,000 metric tonnes a month--
have been increased to 60,000 because the situation has worsened.

I believe this makes it quite clear that the International Red Cross wants
more action on Somalia than simply private donations.


Certainly donations are desirable.  Addresses for donations to the Red
Cross can be found in my original post on this topic "The Worst Human
Tragedy in the World."

A really effective way to get donations would be fundraisers, where money
is raised and information about the food problems of Africa and information
about African culture are made available.

Please see next post.

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