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From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Angabe der Nationalitaet (war: Ist die deutsche Linke immun ...)
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:16:59 GMT

hi61@mb71.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Deck) writes:

>Wir haben zwei offensichtlich zwei verschiedene Vorstellungen vom
>Idealzustand der Welt:
>Du willst langfristig die Nationalstaaten abschaffen. Wenn dies erreicht ist,
>ist die Angabe der Nationalitaet sinnlos.
>Ich will die Nationalstaaten beibehalten, mein Ziel ist aber, dass sich
>niemand mehr schaemen muss, welcher Nationalitaet er angehoert, egal
>wo er sich gerade aufhaelt. (Da sind dann uebrigens *beide* gefordert,
>Gastgeber und Gast, und die Deutschen muessen in beiden Funktionen noch
>viel lernen.)
>Wenn *mein* Ziel erreicht ist, kann man gegen eine Angabe der Nationalitaet
>auch nichts mehr einwenden.

Du hast mir immernoch nicht erklaert, warum die Nationalitaet
genannt werden muss ? 
Ich will nicht die Nationalstaaten abschaffen, aber wenn
eine Zeitung unbedingt ueber einen Todesfall berichten muss,
warum nicht "Mann ermordete seine Freundin" oder so ?
Klar, man koennte natuerlich denken, es waere ein Deutscher
gewesen, aber ist das nun so wichtig, dass man extra herausheben
muss, es war jemand mit einer anderen Nationalitaet ?
Nun, du wirst sagen, es wird nunmal in der Zeitung so 
gemacht, warum nicht ? 
Warum werden denn solche Sachen in den Zeitungen geschrieben ?
Eben. Weil es fuer die Leute wichtig ist, ob es ein
Deutscher, Tuerke oder was weiss ich was ist.
Sie wollen es wissen.
Kannst du mir erklaeren, warum es fuer sie wichtig ist,
wenn nicht um ihre Einschaetzung gegenueber best.
Personengruppen zu erweitern, um sie schneller in 
Schubladen zu packen. Psychologen nennen das eine
Form der Beurteilung, oder Vorurteile. (Ja, jeder
hat Vorurteile und zur schnellen Einschaetzung von 
Menschen, koennen sie auch wichtig sein).
Liegt es aber nun nicht in der Verantwortung von
Zeitungen, mitzuhelfen keine weiteren Anlaesse
fuer Vorurteile zu schaffen ? Und wenn sie dies
nicht tut: Kann ich sie dann nicht kritisieren ?

Du willst, dass es egal ist welcher Nation man angehoert.
Das will ich auch. Aber wenn es egal ist, brauch man
es auch nicht hervorzuheben, sonst wird es ja wichtig
und nicht egal. Deswegen schreibt man auch nicht
die Religionszugehoerigkeit der Leute hin.
Die ist den Leuten heutzutage meistens
gluecklicherweise egal.

Ciao,
  Christian

-- 
"There're so many different worlds, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:10176 soc.culture.jewish:25869
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Anatomie eines Flame Wars
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:13:51 GMT

ernst@isis.cns.caltech.edu (Ernst Niebur) writes:

>Gut gebruellt, Till! Ausgezeichnete Analyse!

I second the motion.
Fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     "A man's library is a sort of 
26 Warren St.   home: fr@icdi10.compu.com 	harem" - Emerson (1860) 
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
From: bavaria@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andreas Meier)
Subject: Re: Jews and Germans
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:22:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.044134.19772@husc3.harvard.edu> abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>Roger Lustig>> Should one call their heir tainted and insist that these
>               generations owe the world something each by each? 
>
>No. But again I am not forgetting that they were *influenced* by their parents
>and grandparents. 
>
You are right that we (the post war Germans) are influenced by our parents and
to a lesser extent by our grandparents. But especially for Germans of my 
generation (I was born in 1963) this might even be an advantage as far as 
education by our parents is concerned. My dad was born in 1934, his mother
was a very faithful catholic woman who for example forbid him to join the HJ.
After the war he was very thrilled with the given chance to build a new, more
democratic Germany. And many ideas that found their way into the constitution of
the Federal Republic of Germany make this socalled "Grundgesetz" one of the most
democratic and liberal constitutions ever written.
It was a part of my and my brothers education that the Third Reich as part of 
German history should always influence our behaviour and make us very sensitive
in our relationship to other people, especially those who suffered the most 
under German oppression and cruelty. 
So, for my part I would say that my upbringing was strongly influenced by my
parents, but I don't see it as a disadvantage. I do not feel personally guilty
for my countries history, but I feel a strong responsibility to prevent it from 
happening again. And I hope that all reasonable young Germans think the same 
way. The huge demonstrations in German cities last autumn against xenophobia
and racism where mainly young Germans participated seem to proof that.

This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so feel free to criticize me
wherever you do not agree. 

I want to thank all participants in the Jews and Germans and related threads
who try to use arguments instead of insults to make their points.

See you

Andreas
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:10339 soc.culture.jewish:26203
From: biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel)
Subject: Re: Urlaubsfolgen (1): Wilhelm Busch and you... (and your KILL-file :-)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:47:22 GMT

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:


>	wie versprochen, ich hab mir das alte Wilhelm Busch Buch meiner Jugend
>	wieder angeeignet und als ich gerade so durchblaetterte - und, gleich-
>	zeitig, mich grad mal so durch soc.culture.german durcharbeitete - da
>	musste ich hell auflachen, weil mich die Parallelen so amuesierten:


>				Rechthaber

>		Seine Meinung ist die rechte:
>		  Wenn er spricht, muesst ihr verstummen,
>		Sonst erklaert er euch fuer Schlechte,
>		  Oder nennt euch gar die Dummen.

>		Leider sind dergleichen Strolche,
>		  Keine seltenen Erscheinung..
>		Wer nicht taub, der meidet solche
>		  Ritter von der der eignen Meinung.


>	gewidmet allen denen, die es geschafft haben in mein KILL-file
>	aufgenommen zu werden  (oder mich in ihres aufzunehmen)....


Remarkable. 

Apparently Werner has posted this completely unaware of the irony of what he 
says here. Or could he possibly have his tongue that deeply in his cheek?


>PS:  ach ja, das alte Argument:  soll man unsinnige Leute einfach ignorieren
>     oder muss man oeffentlich gegen deren Unsinn protestieren?!?

>     Also gut, einmal im Jahr werde ich also mein KILL-file publizieren,
>     um klarzumachen, wem zu widersprechen mir einfach zu dumm ist (und,
>     klar doch, ich halte deren Dummheit meist fuer harmlos, weil sie doch
>     nie was beeinflussen werden... :-))

Ach, wie nett von Dir. Wir freuen uns alle jetzt schon auf das naechste 
Erscheinen Deiner KILL-file. Vielleicht koenntest Du uns allen einen Gefallen 
tun und  Deine KILL-file uns per FTP als FAQ-file zugaenglich zu machen? Wir
wollen auf jeden Fall vermeiden dass wir die Meinungen unsinniger Leute zu
sehen bekommen, und Du bist ja bekannt als Experte des Unsinns.

Regards,
       H. Biesel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: nd Nazis
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:36:02 GMT

NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Brian Lane) writes:

>We have lawrence on one side...who I assume is representing the general
>jewish viewpoint ....i.e. the germans are guilty, their country should have
>disappeared, the germans of today are just as guilty since its obviously
>something to do with the german race that caused the nazi movement.

I would not burden the Jews with such a view.  Some, many - maybe, but the
Jews I know are quite rational about the the world around them.  There are all
kind of opinions in all kinds of flavors when you speak one on one about
anything.

>I think what lawrence doesn't recognize is that ALL countries have problems
>with racism, nationalism, and violence against outsiders. Look at the US or
>even Isreal.

That's the point. No one is immune from intolerance. The proof is in the 
pudding when you say 'the general Jewish viewpoint'. There should be no such 
thing as Jewish viewpoint. It was precisely such statements that created the 
problems of intolerance in the first place.

Those who advocate their dislike toward Germans are just as guilty of the 
very thing they decry so much:  intolerance of others.  Of course in their
minds they are correct.  They can not see the bad logic of their thoughts.

Such is the problem with anti-semitism wherever it exists, today or yesterday. 
How to fix it?  Do not categorize people in groups.  It's that simple.

>I think until EVERYONE finally realizes that people must be judged on their
>own merits and not on the color of their skin, or their country of origin
>we will always have people like lawrence and we'll always have problems like
>those in isreal and germany.

Exactly. You can't have it both ways. Either you judge only individuals or you 
join the crowd of those you decry and become no better than them.
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     "A man's library is a sort of 
26 Warren St.   home: fr@icdi10.compu.com 	harem" - Emerson (1860) 
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re:Jews for Germans
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:16:16 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Boris Kuschel <kuschel@ecf.toronto.edu> writes:
>Nowhere in 'Mein Kampf' does Hitler say he will kill Jews.

True. I never said that he did. I quoted that part of the previouse discussion
only because Christian Lampl said that almost nobody read 'Mein Kampf' even 
AFTER 1933. Hitler didn't say directly that he is going to murder all Jews. I
don't think that in 1924 he already decided to do it. However let me qoute the
last chapter of 'Mein Kampf':
"If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand
of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as
happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field,
the sacrifice of millions at the front would not be in vain."
You wrote me that you read and reread "Mein Kampf" how did you manage to miss a
lot of such violently racist passages? I agree it is not Final Solution yet. On
January 30, 1939 Hitler addressed the Reichstag:
"If international finance Jewry whithin Europe and abroad should succeed once
more in plunging the peoples into a world war, then consequence will be ... the
destruction of the Jewish race in Europe."
Was it also Allies propaganda?

>I bet that not one of you read a book that disputed the Holocaust.

You are right, I didn't. I had not to. Too many of my relatives were murdered.
My parents and my grandparents excaped by a pure luck. So I am not interested
in disputes about Holocaust. However I read a lot of books which described
Holocaust. 

>I don't blame you,

Thank you.

>because they are not let in the bookstores. Guess who's responsible for that?

Let me try... "International finance Jewry"? Or if you are more modern
"Zionists"? It is sad that you are wrong: there are such books in the
bookstores.

>Some of this "evidence" that you people spew out is just plain false. 

It is very pleasant to read messages from such polite person as you. I could
only mention that you don't have any evidence at all.
Christian Lampl, you were eager to fight with Nazis? I am waiting your
response. 

                               Victor Abkevich  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:10247 soc.culture.jewish:26011
From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: wieder meine idee-fixe um die Ursache( was Re: ...Nazis?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

In article <1993Jan22.094007.29050@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> rzuw039@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Juergen Weinelt) writes:
...
>    of the 20th century, and actually throughout the entire history
>    of mankind".
>
>THIS IS NOT MEANT AS AN EXCUSE FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN GERMANY DURING
>THOSE DARK NAZI YEARS. It's merely a defense against the statement
>that Germans are inherently (as a race, as some have claimed) worse
>than other "races". We're not, and IMHO anyone who says we are is
>just as racist as the Nazis were. Now flame me if you really need to.
>
>-- Juergen Weinelt, Germany

 No flames necessary. It's not a race question, or even per se a
 nationality question; IMHO ( to put my two-cents worth in AGAIN 
 on this), it is a question of the Besessenheit, the obessesional
 core, of messianic-mediterranean-monotheism in all its forms:
 (judaism,christianity,islam,messianic capitalism, messianic communism,
  nazism)
From: muller@convection.engin.umich.edu (Jens Dominik Muller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Benzin
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:37:43 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: convection.engin.umich.edu
Originator: muller@convection.engin.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan23.053235.25920@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jbrown@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Lea Brown) writes:
> Hallo!
> 
> Koennen jemand mir sagen, ob das Benzin in Deuschland teuerer oder billiger
> ist, als das in Belgien?
> Jennifer Brown
> Depts of Music and French
> Stanford University

Hallo Jennifer,

Benzin ist in Belgien etwas teurer als in Deutschland. In Belgien kostet
der Liter Normalbenzin (88 Oktan oder so) um die 28-30 FB, was etwa
1.40-1.50 DM entspricht. In Deutschland wirst Du dafuer ca. 5-10 Pf weniger
pro Liter berappen muessen. 

Have a nice trip and sample some of thouse delicies Belgian fries and 
Belgian beers for me. Jens.
From: gg@iok.unit.no (Gus Gassmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: FOCUS
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:58:37 GMT
Organization: University of Trondheim

In article <1993Jan27.173758@informatik.uni-kl.de>, petsch@informatik.uni-kl.de (Petsch Wolfram - PA Meybrink) writes:
|> Hallo Leute!
|> Seit kurzem gibt es eine Konkurenz f"ur den SPIEGEL. Ich hab mir mal so ein Teil
|> besorgt. Mein erster Eindruck war eigentlich recht positiv. 
|> 	- nicht so h"amisch 
|> 	- "uberschaubarere Artikel
|> 	- bunt (+/- ??)
|> 	- weniger tief (vielleicht wird das noch??)
|> 	- durchweg positivere Grundeinstellung der Artikel
|> 
|> Was meint die Netzgemeinde zu diesem Teil?
|> Flamewars welcome!
|> 
|> -- 
|> petsch@informatik.uni-kl.de (Wolfram Petsch)
|> w_petsch@informatik.uni-kl.de 

Ich war zufaellig in Berlin als die erste Nummer 'rauskam. Am Montag
morgen, als ich grad am Zeitungskiosk stand, kam einer vorbei, hat sich
den Focus gekauft, ich daraufhin (obwohl ich das eigentlich gar nicht
vorhatte) den Spiegel, weil mir die Fernsehwerbung fuer den Focus so
bloed und beleidigend vorkam. Spaeter traf ich dann meinen Freund, 
der sich aus Neugierde das Heft gekauft hatte.

Am andern Tag brachte ich den Spiegel zu ihm ins Buero, weil ich ihn
zu Ende gelesen hatte und nicht unbedingt zurueck nach Norwegen
schleppen wollte. Da hatte er sich aber am gleichen Morgen den auch
schon gekauft, weil er vom Focus so enttaeuscht war. Viel zu seicht, 
meinte er.

Your mileage may vary.

gus gassmann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Jews and Germans
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:56:47 GMT

abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:

>Give me a break. Read all postings "Jews and Germans". How many wrote that they
>should be very sensitive in their relationship to people who suffered under
>German oppression and cruelty? They wrote 
>1)You are racist if you are talking about "German cruelty".
Wrong. You are a rascist if ya think that Germans are more cruel 
than other people by nature.

>2)WW2 was just one war among others and wars are always cruel.
>3)They were born after WW2 so they are interested in German oppression no more 
>they are interested in US Marine raping.
Wrong. I'm as interested in German *raping* as I'm interested in 
US/USSR/English/whatever *raping*. Whats wrong with it ?

>4)If I don't agree I am racist and Nazi myself.
Well. Where have you read this ? Can ya give any quotes ?

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"There're so many different worlds, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: volker@nsc.nsc.com (Volker Soffel)
Subject: Re: FAQ foe s.c.g
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:56:38 GMT


Johannes Ullrich (ju8025@csc.albany.edu) writes:

>   NTSC Videotapes don't work in a german PAL VCR (well you see no picture).
>   There is a service in Raleigh, NC where video conversion from any country
>   format to any format can be made (VHS, VHS-C and 8 mm types of cassettes).
>   This will allow playback of videotapes made overseas, here on U.S. TV's
>   and VCR's (NTSC System). The service will also convert the other way
>   around, from U.S. system to any of the systems used anywhere else in the
>   world (PAL,SECAM, etc..) 
   {stuff deleted}	 

I would like to add a company here at the west coast that offers also video
conversion services, for those interested:

Conversion Labs
2250 Monroe St #263
Santa Clara, CA 95050
(408) 985 2098

Price :$20.-/tape (max. 2h, each add. hour +$10.-), tape included
free S&H
specify number of copies, when sending tape

Delivery: next day shipping, overnight available (ask)
Payment: Cheque, cash, money order

Formats:

NTSC  <---------> PAL
8mm
Hi8
VHS               VHS


-- 
Volker Soffel			National Semiconductor Corporation
volker@nsc.nsc.com		Embedded Control Division Applications
(408) 721-4360			Santa Clara, CA95052
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:10239 soc.culture.jewish:25999
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Israel as fascist state? (Was: Re: nd Nazis)
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:14:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.german
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <16B5E846B.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Brian Lane) writes:
>But I still see the Isreali government
>treating arabs as second class citizens in their own country. (and please,
>don't apologize for them by saying they feel threatened, I could say the same
>thing about germans in '32 and white americans in the civil rights era)

Yes, I agree with Brian's intent in this message [other good points deleted
in my attribution above]. I find it bitterly ironic that Israel, having
had its people suffer so horribly, throughout history and especially this
century, would have such a police state as Israel: land appropriated from
Palestine by terrorists, brutal oppression of Arabs. I don't wonder that
Arabs are as fanatical as the Nazi hierarchy was to kill Jews -- of course,
I'm against such genocidal brutality. 

Within its boundaries and occupied territories Israel seems intent on 
a slow but steady removal of Arabs. They declare a curfew in an area and
then kill a girl who ventures out after a patrol comes through and announces
that the curfew is lifted. They remove, possibly illegally and certainly
inhumanely, 400 or so Arabs ...

<sigh> Hatred knows no boundaries, no nationalities, no race, no religion.
Whites hate blacks, Arabs hate Jews, Serbs hate Croats, Turks hate Greeks,
Koreans hate Japanese, and so on ...

So what is my message doing in soc.culture.german since it's about Jews and
Arabs? Only to make this point: whoever is in power, whoever is victorious
at the moment, dictates oppression and brutality. 

Dan
deherrin@ucdavis.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:10148 soc.culture.jewish:25827
From: rjfennem@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Ryan J. Fennema)
Subject: How do I say ...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:12:48 GMT

Hello,

I would like to say something along the line of "Good night", or "Goodbye"
to a friend in German, but I am unfamiliar with the language.

Any help is kindly appreciated.

---=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
   __        ___
  /_ ) /__/ /__/ /\  /  Ryan J. Fennema  rjfennem@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
 /  \  __/ /  / /  \/   University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: vanishing post
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:11:56 GMT


My last two postings have gone astray in transit to s.c.german - this
is a test post.

Laurence
From: hf@tk.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Fuchs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: ,,Gnade der spa"ten Geburt'' : Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:36:14
Organization: Karlsruhe University, Germany
	<dieter-180193105717@frueh-koelsch.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
	<1jeiv1INN9sg@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>
	<llp1pgINNb2t@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
	<1993Jan20.202531.10565@grmbl.saar.de>
NNTP-Posting-Host: whyaduck.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de
In-reply-to: me@grmbl.saar.de's message of Wed, 20 Jan 1993 20:25:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.202531.10565@grmbl.saar.de>, me@grmbl.saar.de (Martin Emmerich) writes:

> Although I don't like that expression, I think that there is
> sort of that "Gnade..". From my point of view today I would
> never be susceptible to that sort of propaganda. But I don't
> know how it would have been to me in the historical context. I
> got a different education, grew up in a different society.
> Actually I fear that I would have liked to be in the Hitlerjugend
> for example. And perhaps more. For my outlook they would probably
> have tried to get me into their organisation.

> Thus I am happy to be born later.

Me too, but I still don't like the expression. It sounds something
like "Hey, I'm born later, don't bother me with that old crap". I
suspect that's what Kohl had in mind; he tends to like
oversimplification.
--

Harald Fuchs <hf@tk.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de>
From: siv7@hydra.unm.edu (siv limary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: German culture
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:50:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu

	Hello, my name is Siv Limary, and I am attending the University
of New Mexico.  I plan on going to Germany this summer, and I would like 
to e-mail or possibly talk with anyone German (who knows how to speak 
English.)  I am taking German 102 at UNM, but I can not fluently speak
German yet.  These are some of the cities that I will be visiting:
Gladbeck, Aachen, Munchen, Cologne, Frankfurt, and Bonn.  
	I do not know much about German customs, and by communicating  
with German people, I hope to be able to alleviate some of the
"culture shock."  
	My e-mail address is:     siv7@hydra.unm.edu



					Thanks,
					Siv Limary
					The University of New Mexico