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From: jkiernan@netcom.com (Jennifer Kiernan)
Subject: Re: hal ketchum info
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:30:38 GMT

flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
:   Could you post info about this first album?  The line "Threadbare
: Alibis" is the first line of the song "I Miss My Mary" which is on
: PTPoR, so I'm curious whether that song and maybe others were carried
: over to the second album.  Was the first album maybe an EP?

According to the propaganda that the Fan Club sent me:
"Upon coming to Nashville in 1986, Hal focused on writing and recorded 10 of
his original songs for an independent album, Threadbare Alibis."  I can tell 
you that I'd never seen the thing in stores until after SURE LOVE was released
at which point it has turned up here and there in some of the Bay Area record
store chains, such as The Wherehouse (I'm pretty sure) and maybe Musicland
(less sure).  It's definitely on tape but I've never seen it on CD.

Yes, "Threadbare alibis" is from the song "I Miss My Mary", but that song
is not on the THREADBARE ALIBIS album.  What is on it is a version of "She
Found The Place" (although it's called by a different name--I think it's
"Bobbie's Song") which turns up later on PAST THE POINT OF RESCUE.  I like
it: it's a very pretty arrangement, a lot more acoustic and less electric
than the version on PTPOR.  It sounds more like folk music than HNC ("Hot
New Country!").  Also on THREADBARE ALIBIS is "Someplace Far Away", which
reappears on SURE LOVE.  Also a nice arrangement.  I think all the music on
the album is pretty strong.  The best thing about it is hearing ten of Hal's
original songs.  PTPOR is a wonderful album, but a lot of the songs are by
other songwriters.  (I'm not really complaining: one or two of them, incl.
"Small Town Saturday Night", are by Pat Alger, who is a top-notch songwriter
if you ask me.)

Jen

P.S.  Also, Hal's band is called "The Alibi."  He must really like that word
      or something.  :-)
From: geffy@access.digex.com (Geff King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Song/artist? "...there's a fool such as I"
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:24:19 -0500
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There's also a Jim Reeves version of 'Fool Such as I.' It does make for
nice listening, and it's fun to sing, too.

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From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: hal ketchum info
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:12:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.222306.26230@netcom.com> jkiernan@netcom.com (Jennifer Kiernan) writes:
>YES!  Hal Ketchum is my favorite country artist, until further notice.
>
>Albums include:
>	THREADBARE ALIBIS (not out on CD, as far as I know)
>	PAST THE POINT OF RESCUE
>	SURE LOVE

  Could you post info about this first album?  The line "Threadbare
Alibis" is the first line of the song "I Miss My Mary" which is on
PTPoR, so I'm curious whether that song and maybe others were carried
over to the second album.  Was the first album maybe an EP?


>I'm only slightly embarrassed to confess that I am a member of the Hal 
>Ketchum fan club, which has sent me all sorts of interesting information,

  I also love his comic strip, "Dennis the Menace."  Where does he
find time to draw this cartoon *and* sing great country?


[Footnote for the Smiley-Impaired:  This last comment is a joke.  I do
realize that it is Hank (not Hal) Ketchum who inflicts Dennis on us.]


--Raymond Flournoy        
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Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon

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From: shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu (Peter Shenkin)
Subject: Re: Sweet Rosie Jones?
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Columbia U, New York
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:19:18 GMT
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In article <1k4ogcINNm9v@news.aero.org> dgolber@midnight.aero.org (Dave Golber) writes:
>
>I'm looking for a recording of "Sweet Rosie Jones", 
>by Bucks Owens (not sure whether he composed it, sang it, or both).

I think it was the title cut of a Buck Owens album from, I believe, the
late '60's.  I used to have the the album.  A few of the words are:

	...
	And then one day a tall dark stranger
	With hair as black as winter's coal
	Rode into town as night was falling
	And there he met my Rosie Jones.

For the chorus it modulated into the subtonic.... (eg F in the key of C).

	-P.
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From: hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: hank jr.
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:38:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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is on the "tonight show" tonight

Alan-
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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Alan Jackson
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:38:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: Novell.C1J2K4.56G
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell, Inc.

> BTW, My birthday was a couple of days ago and I got a "Happy Birthday"  
post
> card from Alan Jackson (I belong to the fan club).  I thought that was  
real
> nice.  I also belong to the George Strait fan club - I didn't get sqat  
from
> them.  Oh, well. No hard feelings. 
> 

I got a birthday card and Christmas card (with a "Have a Holly Jolly  
Christmas" pen and a "Yee Haw" button) from Alan's fan club, too. Did it  
come on time? What was on the postcard, a picture of a one-year old Alan  
eating his cake? 

Speaking of fan clubs, if any of you are in other fan clubs I would like  
to know what kinds of priviledges, gifts, stuff you get being a member of  
them. Alan's sends quartlerly newsletters, announcements of tours and  
announcements of new albums. This year I also got a "Love's Got a Hold on  
Me" bumper sticker and, of course, the birthday and Christmas card. I hear  
if you are in Reba's fan club and you attend her concert, you get to go  
backstage and meet her (no autographs or pictures, just talk to her). I  
think that is neat!

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and you just added another verse."	  /^\  
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From: lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (Hans L'Orange)
Subject: Re: What is "Bocephus"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:31:31 GMT

irwin@usdev.enet.dec.com () writes:



>I think that name was given to Hank Jr. by his dad, Hank Sr. when Jr. first
>started playing country music.  I really don't know what it is based on or
>why and I would also be interested in knowing.


How old was Hank Jr. when his father died?  Had he started playing yet?


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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: tb1153@thor.albany.edu (BEIDEL TIMOTHY)
Subject: Re: Random thoughts Nanci and Lyle, Oh my...
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:11:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.170900.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>> 
>>   Also, friday night, our local PBS outlet (in Pittsburgh)
>> is running "Austin Encore", which seems to be condensed versions
>> os previous shows. Last night they featured Ray Charles and the
>> week before they had Nanci Griffith on.
>> 
>>   The Nanci Griffith rerun must of been an older one as I told
>> my wife to check out one of the backup singers; a skinny guy,
>> dressed all in black, who had large hair.
>> 
>>   Yep, Lyle Lovett.
>> 
>> Ken
>=======
>That's neat... Are you saying that Lyle was just joining in the song fest 
>for fun or that he actually used to be a backup singer for Nanci Griffith?  

Lyle is pictured on the cover of Nanci's "Last of the True Believers" album,
standing in front of the Woolworth's.

-- 


Tim Beidel
Albany, NY
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: irwin@usdev.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Lyrics to "You Don't Have to Call Me Darlin, Darlin..."
Reply-To: irwin@usdev.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec.music.country.western
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:42:52 GMT



I play this from time to time with a classic rock band I'm in, we do about a
set of country each night too.  I don't sing it, but I think I can remember 
the last verse.

I was drunk, the day my Ma, got out of prison,
And I went to pick her up, in the rain;
But before I could get to the station  in my pickup truck,
She got runned over by a danged ole' train.

And I'll hang around as long as you will let me,
and I never, minded standing, in the rain.



There's a piece of them, I could get the full lyrics from Joe, lead
guit and vocals on this one.  If you get them all together, can you
post them and/or let me know.   

Hope this helps a little,

Dave
From: Karen.M.Crassi@dartmouth.edu (Karen M. Crassi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: hal ketchum info
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:41:37 GMT
 <1993Jan26.183310.18860@e2big.mko.dec.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1993Jan26.183310.18860@e2big.mko.dec.com>
irwin@usdev.enet.dec.com () writes:

> I love Hal Ketchum's stuff.   I think he's only got the 1 Hal Ketchum CD out.
> Would love to know if there are any more ????
> 
> I really enjoy Small Town Saturday Night, Point of Rescue, and Five O'clock
> World off the CD.  We are working on doing some of his tunes in the band.
> 
> Hope he has another CD coming some time in the near future !
> 
> Dave


Hal has a second album out now which I think is called "Sure Love". 
I've been meaning to get it myself but haven't gotten around to it.  I
have heard the title song on the airwaves and it's great!

Karen
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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Who did THE COWBOY RAP
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:33:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.114826.28012@netsys.com>, norman@netsys.com (Norman Gillaspie) writes:
>I am looking for the name of the artist or group who did a song
>titled "The Cowboy Rap".

I think it was the Bellamy Brothers.

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: What is "Bocephus"
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:51:50 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1993Jan26.164617.11472@e2big.mko.dec.com> irwin@usdev.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>
>I think that name was given to Hank Jr. by his dad, Hank Sr. when Jr. first
>started playing country music.  I really don't know what it is based on or
>why and I would also be interested in knowing.
>

its a name Hank Sr gave Hank Jr when he was born - I've heard its
Indain - don't know what it means

>I love some of that Bocephus music though !!
>
_ditto_


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From: JANAKIEV@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: testing
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:33:21 GMT
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From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Lyrics to "You Don't Have to Call Me Darlin, Darlin..."
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:15:46 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.country.western
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc.

In article <WA.93Jan25141847@raven.mcc.com> wa@raven.mcc.com (Wayne Allen) writes:
>
>"... you never even call me by my name!"
>
>God! I'm *so* embarrassed!  Does anyone know what album this song is
>from, its real title, the author (David A. Coe?), or the *lyrics*?
>
>I tried the WAIS lyrics database, to no avail.
>
>Imagine, a Texan not knowing the world's only perfect country-western
>song by heart!
>
>Grovelingly yours,
>
> wa | Wayne Allen, wa@mcc.com
>    | MCC/ISD, 3500 West Balcones Center Dr, Austin, Tx 78759 (512)338-3754

No problem,

Steve Goodman wrote it. I don't know what album it appears on tho.

DAC talks about how it was changed to include trucks, trains, mama, getting
drunk, dogs and rain to make it the "Perfect Country song"

Steve Goodman (now dead) wrote and co-wrok numerous song for Jimmy Buffett
and others. He was always one of my favorite song writers.

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Subject: JUDDS: Love/Bridge Lyrics
From: lcornel@eis.calstate.edu (Louis Cornelio)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:19:40 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Greetings!

Does anyone out there happen to have the lyrics to "Love Can Build a
Bridge" handy?

If so, could you please post here, or better, forwards to me
lcornel@eis.calstate.edu

as I would like to use this song in 9th grade class of students who are
just learning English.
			Thanks!		- Louis

Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: stankus@leland.Stanford.EDU (John J. Stankus)
Subject: Re: hal ketchum info
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:42:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.183310.18860@e2big.mko.dec.com> irwin@usdev.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>
>I love Hal Ketchum's stuff.   I think he's only got the 1 Hal Ketchum CD out.
>Would love to know if there are any more ????
>
>I really enjoy Small Town Saturday Night, Point of Rescue, and Five O'clock
>World off the CD.  


He has a new album outfor the last month or so called Sure Love
I don't particularly care for the title song(heard on the radio) so
I havent bought it yet, but I do enjoy his first album.  I saw him
live up at Slim's in San Francisco, it was a good show though I think
Sawyer Brown's shows(seen 'em twice) and Don Williams show were much better


John

John J. Stankus				Chemistry Department
stankus@leland.stanford.edu		Stanford University
From: bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Alan Jackson
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:46:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan27.130315.2735@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, texan@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jennifer.j.sinclair) writes...
>In article <HATLEY.93Jan26092115@granite.pa.dec.com> hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley) writes:
>>alan was on the ama awards last night.  he has shaved his moustach off.
>>such a damn shame.
>>
>>Alan-
> 
>I totally agree with you. He just doesn't look right.
> 
>BTW, My birthday was a couple of days ago and I got a "Happy Birthday" post
>card from Alan Jackson (I belong to the fan club).  I thought that was real
>nice.  I also belong to the George Strait fan club - I didn't get sqat from
>them.  Oh, well. No hard feelings. 
> 
>Speaking of George, has anybody else seen his new video for "Heartland"
>(from his movie)?  I liked it.
> 
> 
>Jennifer
>Headed for Texas to cheer for the Cowboys with my friends.

Boo Hoo ... Jennifer...

	Even in Buffalo, we Love our C&W ... And for those who still
	are having a hard time Cheering for Our Buffalo Bills while
	having a soft-heart for the Cowboys!!...

	We've got "COWBILLS" hats... going around here ... with the
	Buffalo Bills emblem embossed over the Cowboy's Lone Star
	Logo ... Actually: They look pretty darn sharp...

	Remember: The BUFFALO was still a staple of the ol' WEST ...
		  and we must be America's team ... we're RED, WHITE
		  and BLUE...

	GO BUFFALO + GO DALLAS = for a fun loving exciting Superbowl !!!

	
Paul...

	ps. Gotta see how G. Brooks handles the anthem...?
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Subject: Imeneo by H{ndel
From: ULTHA@SEUDAC21.BITNET
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:55:04 +0100
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Dear Music-Neters,
I have problems with finding information about a rare opera
composed by G.F H{ndel (I think around 1740). Does anyone of
you have some knowledge about it, and does anyone now how and
where to find a recodring (CD) of this opera?
Many thanks in advance,
                Anders Karlsson

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From: simona@eff.org (Simona Nass)
Subject: Re: A-Cappella groups?
Originator: simona@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:38:33 GMT

In article <GLEASON.93Jan21085908@scf16.scf.loral.com> gleason@scf16.scf.loral.com (Robert Gleason) writes:
>Could any of you out there give this humble listener some recomendations
>on groups or titles that I might enjoy?
>
		[...]
>more complex polyphony? That is what I'm looking for.

Try Spem in Alium by Thomas Tallis. It has 40 separate voice parts. -S.
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE: Cheap Recorders
From: Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:40:35 -0500 (EST)
In-reply-to: Message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:00:01 -0500 from <rizvi@A1.QUAKER.UPENN.EDU>
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:00:01 -0500 Kimberly Rizvi said:
>slightly more expensive but still cheap plastic Yamaha recorders?  Or
>should I go for a cheap wooden one, if I can find one?  I happen to have a
>five dollar plastic Yamaha soprano at home which I think sounds awful -
>maybe because my girlfriend doesn't know how to play it.

Cheap wood almost certainly sounds inferior to cheap plastic, IMHO.  Stick
with Yamaha or Aulos.  I played an Aulos plastic alto contentedly for 2 years
before finding a Moeck in Freistadt (ie, at a price cheaper than I could find
in the US).
From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Ethics and the early musician
Keywords: Performance, obligations
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:49:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Has anybody read the latest issue of _Historical Performance_
(EMA's journal)?  There are a series of letters about the
issues arising from performance of pre-Classical vocal pieces
whose text is, in the context of any modern mores, blatantly
bigoted (usually virulently anti-Semitic).

Must one remain absolutely true to the manuscript, or may one
Bowdlerize it?  If the former, do the performers have any
obligation to discuss the offending work or passages, either
in the program notes or live, on stage, after the concert?
If the latter, does this border on censorship, or is it just
following in the revisionist tradition of history, practiced
even by the Catholic Church, which has often been the greatest
offender?  Will the same reasoning apply to both an obscure
counter-Reformationist motet and the St. John Passion?

As I read through the arguments, including a very eloquent
one by Richard Taruskin (who will always go out of his way to
indict purists), I found myself becoming uneasy with all
positions on this question.  I attribute this to being essentially
unclear about the ultimate purpose of historical musical perfor-
mance and thus the ultimate obligations of the performer.
Discussion?

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