HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@lorax.portal.com (Mike Ferris)
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Reply-To: mike@lorax.portal.com
Organization: Stultus Enterprises
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:23:15 GMT

Sam Streeper writes
>Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  I'd just like
>to take this opportunity to encourage app writers to keep files out of
>there, which makes cleaning up much easier.  I think a better solution
>is to put app related files in
>
>~/Library/Appname/crud_files

I'd rather see something like...

~/Library/CrudDirectory/AppName/crud_files

This way I wouldn't get a whole crudload of crud in my Library directory either  
(which I use a lot.)  Maybe someone could come up with a better name than  
CrudDirectory though :-)  Probably next would have to pick a name.

I think this is a splendid idea in general, and if I had ever written an app  
which put "invisible" files in home directories, I'd be changing them now.

However, most of those crud files contain nothing that couldn't be better dealt  
with by using next's default system.  I implore all application writers to use  
the defaults system when it is appropriate instead of littering my drive with  
little .* files.
-- 

Mike Ferris
mike@lorax.portal.com
From: michael@stb.info.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: test
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: stb.1992Apr8.202808.815
Organization: STB BBS, La, Ca, 310 397 3137

test
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From: davida@anagram.umd.edu (David Arnold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone have Emacs-2.1?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: davida@anagram.umd.edu (David Arnold)

In article <SIMMONS.92Apr4141459@rigel.neep.wisc.edu>  
simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons) writes:
> There is a new copy of Emacs-2.1.tar.Z on sonata and cs.orst.edu. Any
> problems with it, let me know.

I looked for it on Sonata, but all I found was NEmacs1.0j2.tar.Z.  When
I looked on cs.orst.edu I found it.  Is it on Sonata?
From: sphere@netcom.com (Sam Goldberger)
Subject: Re: data point: non-ardi, (non-next) mac emulator
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 08:35:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I saw Liken running at SunWorld. It is *very* slow by comparison
to Executor. The rep who demo'd it said that it was comparable
to a Mac II. This seems about right. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rallan@helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Subject: Sybase and Lisp may be killed
Reply-To: rallan@helical.com
Organization: Helical Systems, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:33:08 GMT

For those of you who depend on the above products, I had conversations with  
representatives of Lotus and Franz this past week and was told the following:

1) Sybase is considering discontinuing the SERVER version of its database for the Next,  
because no one is buying it :-). It seems everyone buys a larger/'stronger/faster machine  
to install servers on, and only use Nexts for front ends.

The problem with this is that developers will no longer be able to DEVELOP applications  
on a Next using Sybase without a link to another server somewhere. This is BAD NEWS for  
independent developers.

Contact Sybase to scream, if you feel so inclined.

2) Franz is committed to porting CLOS to the Next, but is considering abandoning the  
platform after that.

-- 
Robb Aley Allan, The Gulfstream Group
220 Sunrise Avenue, Palm Beach, FL 33480
voice: 407/ 832-4013   email: Robb_Allan@gun.com
Co-founder/director, Gotham Users of NeXT (GUN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:42:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.011806.3281@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu>  
ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.002147.5496@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling) writes:
> >Aside from the electrical reasons which I posted previously, you may be  
> >interested to know that the only difference between the Turbo slab  
board  
> >and the Turbo cube board is the NeXT Bus Interface Chip and three PALs.  
> 
> Seems like we infer from this that it would be similarly trivial to
> adapt the turbo *color* slab board into a cube CPU board, no?
> Something to pester NeXT about?

I did not intend to imply that it was trivial, only that it was a lot  
easier than designing a whole new board from scratch.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--

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George Bush lied to his country. Can his wife trust him?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wisdom@leghorn.cs.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom)
Subject: Re: NewsGroup Causes NewsGrazer to crash
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:20:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.222001.3214@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.035159.813@prim.uucp> dave@prim.uucp (Dave Griffiths)  
> writes:
> > >I also hope that NeXT has not given exclusive rights to the source code to  
> > >any specific developer because this will violate the level playing ground  
> > >principle. 
> > 
> > But surely it's obvious why NeXT won't release the source of NewsGrazer?
> > It's authour, Jayson Adams, has left and set up his own company. They are
> > rumoured to be working on their *own* News reader
> 
> Sorry, but I received email from Jayson Adams to the effect that NeXT
> wouldn't release the rights to the code to him.
He can start from scratch, no problem. NeXT just doesn't want to step on his  
new feet. Releasing NewsGrazer source and the many updates from other sources  
that would follow could still get in the way of anything Jason comes out with.

Scott Wisdom
wisdom@geom.umn.edu
From: michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SimonSays(tm): the Review
Keywords: review SimonSays
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:38:30 GMT
Organization: STB BBS, La, Ca, 310 319 3778


For what it's worth, here's my view of Simon Says.

First, I must say that the support from HSD and Greg is great. Plenty of
help in tracking down problems.

Second, even in a noisy environment, it works. Sort of.

How noisy is my environment? MonsterScope shows that the default mike
picks up about 1mv of background noise, while my speach climbs up to the
3-4 mv range.

The problem? This Signal/noise ratio of 3 is too low for simon to work
reliably. I have to raise my voice to get Simon to work, and for some
reason that I don't understand, longer phrases are not always better than
short phrases -- perhaps Simon is more sensitive to some sounds than to
other sounds.

In any event, I had to return it; I was getting a sore throat, and it
was only about 70% accurate. On the other hand, I was trying to do
a lot with it. I had set up a sublevel in the common dictionary named
"dictation", and way trying to teach it some common words.

"Me" vs "He" vs "She" vs "We" "The" took about 40 minutes to train.

What about regular things? Normal use of things like menu items works
fine -- I get about 85-90% accuracy there. But for some reasons, things
like "Cut_Selection" or "Console" just get ignored more often than not.
And "Miniaturize" is also poor. These are around 30-50% accurate.
Sometimes Simon doesn't even beep to indicate that it heard something
it didn't understand -- it just missed them completely.

As a dictator, Simon gets overthrown. As a macro, I found keys to be
easier to type. My goal was to be able to control my computer from
anywhere in the room; this doesn't work well with the built in Mike.

I did try an external mike (a cheap radio shack one). It did reduce the
noise level, but it also reduced my voice level -- the ratio stayed at
3:1.

My comments? Try it. Get the demo version, play with it. If your drive
fans are not noisy, you may love it.

		Michael
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From: tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Mark G. Tacchi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: mail.app Question
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:41:06 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


I was wondering if there is a way to get mail.app to include a signature file  
at the end of each letter.  Is there some simple way that I am overlooking?  I  
have written a .sig file but nothing.  Does mail.app not allow to this?

-Mark
tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: mgilula@MIASUN.MED.MIAMI.EDU (Marshall Gilula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: relay of materials on the Neuron problem(s)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:33:57 GMT


Because some of the people writing to me about Neuron request that their names
not be made public because of feared reprisals from Neurons (what OTHER kinds
of tactics are they using besides having no customer-service policy?)
employees, and because the volume or these notes is still relatively high, I
am reproducing parts of a more recent one without any identifying data, as
requested, to show what kinds of trends are emerging.

------------------------------------------------
 I would appreciate that you not make my name public.  I don't want Neuron to
cut me off until I am convinced that they are refusing to help...but I agree with you
that Neuron is a terrible company when it comes to customer support, honesty,
etc.

My colleague and I purchased 1414's so that we could communicate via fax and
could transfer files.  This has never worked.

   I suggest that you organize all those who have not received what they were
promised from Neuron and start playing hardball by filing complaints with the
New Jersey Attorney General's office and the Princeton, NJ, Better Business
Bureau.  Neuron apparently monitors comp.sys.next.* somewhat, so do this
organizing over the net.  You could provide addresses for the Attorney General
and BBB and encourage everyone to write.  I don't think Neuron is going to be
intimidated by what anyone has done so far, so maybe they will respond to this
additional pressure.
-------------------------------------------------

I promised to assist anyone who contemplates this sort of action.  But, as I have
continued to post [and to express to Neuron's uncaring staff on the telephone], all
I am looking for is either my $1000 back in exchange for the crippled and buggy
Neuron96+  OR a device that will actually work properly.

-73-
Marshall Gilula
mgilula@miasun.med.miami.edu
From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT in a different class than Apple and IBM (was: Shitty (educational
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:52:04 GMT
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood

melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes:


>In article <1400@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) writes:


>[stuff about PC & Unix competitors deleted]

>Since I've never done any sysadmin, I have a question about for those
>of you who do.  How hard is it to pull a NeXT out of the box and use
>it?  That is, a non-networked machine?

>-Mike

It's easy to pull a NeXT out of the box and use it, as long as all you
want to do is use it standalone and preconfigured.  But putting a modem
on your box is not as simple as plugging in the cable and firing up your
comm program, for example.  And if you want more than one user to have
access to individual accounts on the system (either at the console or
via modem dialup), you're introducing some more things that PC users
don't have to deal with.  (Although the NeXTstep user management app is
not difficult to understand or use.)

Then there are things like setting up a dialup uucp feed for mail or
news, which involves sysadmin work no matter what kind of system you've
got.

None of this stuff is really difficult, though, for people who are
prepared to read documentation, and proceed carefully.  This is perhaps
different from the PC market, where the approach is more plug-n-play,
implying a lack of thought or research to accomplish things.  (Although
I do get a chuckle out of all the grief DOS users go through, what with
extended/expanded memory drivers, video drivers, IRQ addressing, etc.)

One thing NeXT could do is provide friendly NeXTstep apps for more of
the typical grunt work people need to do on these machines, to reduce
the amount of up-front sysadmin-type knowledge and skill required to
accomplish basic tasks.

For example, how tough could it be to cook up an app to install
standard Hayes-type modems?  You allow for a few basic variations on
the theme, like presence or absence of hardware flow control, and the
rest is pretty much similar between all modems.  Why force people to go
around editting /etc/remote, /etc/phones, /etc/ttys, etc.?  I know, I
know, if it's so easy, why don't I run along and write the app myself...
:~)
-- 
Royce Howland   --   Everything is IMHO   |  "I can eat enormous quantities
royce@splunge.uucp        (NeXTMail OK)   |   of ice-cream without being sick,
or royce%splunge@atlantis.uucp            |   Mrs. S-C-U-M."  --Mr. Neutron
or alberta!atlantis!splunge!royce or ...  |   C86Net: Mr._Neutron@RT.Alta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Neuron
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.021606.22137@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.122331.25664@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>
>>Moreover I don't see anything like remote Appletalk for the NeXT.
>
>What about SLIP?

Hmm...you need to have a dedicated line for the most part. Appletalk will
work remotely in a portable way. However, your point is well taken.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Round and Round and Round he goes (was: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:

$ In article <1992Apr9.225405.15278@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>  
coco@ihcoco.att.com  
$ (Felix A. Lugo) writes:
$ > 	I love RTF-NewsGrazer ... Keep-em coming gentry!

$ NOT!
$ 
$ This is not the correct newsgroup for such things, and you
$ know it. 

then

>In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
>	What I do know, however, is that a bigoted FEW want to
>	DICTATE what other people may or may not do in this  
newsgroup;
>	-- AND I'M SICK OF IT!  (I should have used RTF for this  
line).


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mgrjhb@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jon H. Bohlke)
Subject: Re: 88110 and 56001 -- How many MFLOPS ?
Keywords: flops
Reply-To: mgrjhb@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jon H. Bohlke)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.180949.26816@cs.ucla.edu> esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu  
(Eskandar Ensafi) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know how many MFLOPS the Motorola 56001 DSP and 88110 CPU  
are  
> capabale of?  I am trying to compare this to the 80 MFLOPS of the 33-MHx  
i860  
> and to the 50 MFLOPS of the 33-MHz 96002 DSP.
> 
> If two 88110s can't beat the 50 MFLOPS of the 96002, then don't you  
think NeXT  
> should use the 96002 in its future and/or current systems?  I am not  
suggesting  
> the i860 because the 96002 provides binary compatibility with the 56001.

MFLOPS is a crappy benchmark, because it (like MIPS) does not include the  
instruction count.

Jon

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:03:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.225325.29059@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:

> Looks like general warfare is about to break out.  It could
> be avoided by a little temperance all around.  Your remark
> about Sean is unwarranted (factually incorrect, too) and a
> classic example of the cheap shot.  The threat to Nathan is
> Nathan, not any approximation to Sean or anyone else.  My
> guess is that all but a tiny number of the readers here
> would find mostly self-impeachment in the majority of
> Nathan's remarks.  I accept what he says, that he *thinks*
> he's provoking a general airing of issues, though it seems
> to me it's possible to do that without extravagances of the
> type he seems determined to indulge in.  Well, different
> strokes for different folks.

If Todd's posting was a cheap shot at SEF, why do you think
your and Glenn's postings attacking me are not?  BTW, as I
suspect is true for most opinionated posters in this
group - and that includes Glenn as yourself, Jess - I have
both fans and detractors.

If we're going to get personal about writing style, Jess,
I have a few things to say about the high-handed,
patriarchal way that you are using to flame me and my
postings.  You can't claim more than a few additional
USENET years on me (since 1982), Jess so please follow
your own temperance advise and take your opinion of me to
email.    

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: toner cartridge life
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:34:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32990
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting


In article <1992Apr15.093242.7366@swabsib.stgt.sub.org> tobi@swabsib.stgt.sub.org (Tobias Hennerich) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.190820.12631@cco.caltech.edu>  
>madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes:
>> 
>> How many "typical" (text only) pages should a toner cartridge in 
>> the NeXT laser printer last?
>> 
>My HP-III, which has the same cartridge like the NeXT-Laser, printed  
>up to now 4700 pages with the first cartridge and there is still no  
>"toner-low" message.

I have set the toner level (?) setting on my NeXT Printer down to the minimum
with little loss in printing quality.  It is most noticeable on large black
areas.  When I want better quality, I just pop the cover and crank it up to a
mid-range setting until I finish printing.  Don't know how much this might
lengthen cartridge life, but it must help somewhat.
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer              NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Gaston Groisman)
Subject: Reading News at home?
Followup-To: gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
Organization: U. of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:18:50 GMT


I have an account at school that I use to read the news.  I was wondering
if there is a simple way of gathering all the days news (of the groups I
read) putting it on a floppy and then reading them at home (with NewsGrazer?).

Any help will bw appreciated.

 Gaston Groisman          +-------------------------------------+
 Computer Science Dep.    |      gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca        |
 University of Calgary    |      groisman@uncamult.bitnet       |
 Alberta, CANADA          +-------------------------------------+
-- 
 Gaston Groisman          +-------------------------------------+
 Computer Science Dep.    |      gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca        |
 University of Calgary    |      groisman@uncamult.bitnet       |
 Alberta, CANADA          +-------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Columbus, OH NeXT user group
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:55:41 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.050834.14447@stone.com>
andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) writes:

>Tyler Gingrich

>BTW: I'm currently at Stone Design helping Andrew copy
>DataPhile disks & misc.  other stuff, so this will show up
>from his address.

I did get a more than a little cognitive dissonance from
seeing his name at the top of the screen and yours at the
bottom.  If the weather in Columbus is anything like that in
Madison, you've probably picked a very good time to be in
Albuquerque.  If I sound envious, it's because I am.

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Hostname woes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:09:26 GMT

johnsond@newshub.sdsu.edu (Dwayne Johnson) writes:

>I changed the name of my Nextstation and now I can't get the blasted thing
>to boot without getting the "server not found" message.  I've found nothing
>that tells me how to fix this...HELP!

Use NetInfoManager and look in the network database on your machine
for a machines entry with the property 'serves' and the value '..'.
It is looking for your old machine as its server, probably.
For a detailed answer search on 'netinfo server' in NeXTAnswers.
There is a niutil command line that will find all machines that your
machine thinks serve it.
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: eMail-Lists software
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:59:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.052109.3121@digifix!uunet.ca> digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca  
(Scott Anguish) writes:
>I am trying to do something like listserv so that people could send to my  
>mail box or a specific user, and have everything auto-answered, or  
>forwarded to a group of people auto-matically.
>
>I have looked at a ton of mail-server stuff, and also procmail, which  
>seems like it might do it, but I can't get it all configured.
>
>Anyone got list software on the NeXT yet??

I have a script which handles multiple mailing lists, as well as regular
FAQ's. it is near to release.  on anonhost.rri.uwo.ca in the listserv
directory i have stored a unix implementaion of listserv. the author
of that is listed within the package, i merely store it. 

in its simplist form, have your postmaster set up an alias pointing to
a file, and you manage the file. so we have:

maillist:include:/home/keeper/list
maillist-request:keeper
maillist-owner:keeper

--
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     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.