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From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (August West)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Braze-ons
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:22:51 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616


        I went out and got two prices on getting new lugs or braze-ons as 
they are called. One place "Ray's" wanted $8 a set and another place 
"Precision" wanted to send my bike to Rochester from Buffalo to have them 
welded to retain structural integrity of my 1986 Ross Parragon. What to 
do? I may opt for a strap on cage for my second water bottle. The 
confusion arises from this: I want a secon waterbottle. Any experiences?

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From: CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Subject: Re: Bike-only Households
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:43:12 GMT

In article <1jrl9vINNc1f@uwm.edu>, thelma@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Thelma Lubkin)
writes: 

> Phillip D. Russell (flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
> 
> : I don't own a car!. I commute everywhere by bike. The cyclists who go
> : out and joy-ride (oops, training) just can't understand why I go through
> : parts so fast. Try riding everyday in all kinds of weather and you'll
> : see some heavy wear that the joy-riders will never see.
> 
>     I'm interested in the transport solutions of bike-only households.
>   My husband and I both bike to work (he doesn't count: he goes all of 5
>   blocks); we use our tandem w/ panniers and a cardboard box on top of
>   them, along with my free arms, for grocery shopping; we have 2 old style
>   Moultons with the serious carriers for carrying truly heavy things
>   (my husband once carted home a steel, 4-drawer filing cabinet on the back
>   of one of them, using a lawn mower w/o its handle to balance the weight
>   in the front.)
>      Our most serious problem is parking: we won't take a bicycle unless
>   there's a reasonably safe place to park it, which means that we walk to
>   many events like concerts.
>       I'm not an all the time rider either: I can't handle snow, and I won't
>   start out in heavy rain, so the fact that everyone else has a car is very
>   helpful:  I've found people quite willing to cart me, and often my bike too,
>   home.
>                         --thelma
> : Flip

I too am carless.  No, I said carless, not careless. ;-)  That doesn't mean I 
bike everywhere.  I do a lot of walking, and I make liberal use of public 
transit.  Lately, I bike almost everywhere, and I usually don't have much 
heavy stuff to carry, other than laundry.  (The closest laundrymat is about two 
miles away.)  One good thing about DC's subway system is that you can take 
bikes on it *sometimes* :-( if you can successfully answer questions like:

True or False:  It's okay to ride your bike in the station.
(30 seconds now...  Think hard, Bob, what is your name?  Begins with a "B"...)

'Course you have to pay for the privilege.  Still, it's better than nothing.
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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:28:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1993Jan20.194706.22870@wdl.loral.com>,
robishaw@asteroid.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960) wrote:
> 
> I certainly don't want to start a flame war, but their are certain militant/
> radical cyclists on this group who advocate that we all demand our rights in
> real time, and that they will excersize their right to their spot on the pave-
> ment come hell or high water. I myself have been known to raise my middle
> finger to a particularly obnoxious motorist. When I first heard of this
> incident, I shuddered to think that it might have been (unjustifiably) provoked
> by just such a 'salute'. I hope that the next time I start the middle finger
> wave, I remember this incident and that there are drivers like this out there.
> 
> I don't advocate that anyone change their riding habits to those of a timid
> rabbit, just alter your communication skills to exclude 'American Sign
> Language'.

It's a bad idea to give motorists the finger, but it's an even worse idea
to go around thinking motorists threaten and even kill bicyclists because
bicyclists are not polite enough to them.  That's bullshit.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: USCF agreement with UNITED
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:21:15 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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djb5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David J Balducci) writes:
> I was looking through Cycle USA and I noticed the USCF has an agreement with
> United airline to give USCF members special airfares and special bike
> arrangements.  Has anyone used this?  What are special bike arrangements?
> Does that mean free bike passes or a discount?  If a discount how much?  I
> called the USCF number on the back of my license and the person who answered
> did not have much information.  She said the USCF had just signed a new 
> agreement with United and she did not have a copy of the new agreement. 


I also looked into joining USCF for the same reason. Since their offices are
local, I called them about it. They told me that they didn't have any kind
of a deal with the airlines. I ended up joining US Amateur. For $75 a year
you can bring your bike for free on Delta or Continental. I've always
managed to make joining pay-off for me. The system is a bit cumbersome. You
must call USA about two weeks ahead of time and give them your flight info.
They then mail you free bike tickets that you give to the airlines clerk
when you check-in. I would have preferred a USA card that I could just show to
the ticket agent, but I really can't complain. It has always worked when I
used it.

                                                        Arnie
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:55:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.131632.23927@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan22.113302.9998@news.ysu.edu>, ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> FRom Erl R Johnston @ The Queen's University Of Belfast
|> |> 
|> |> e-Mail u9118543@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> Has anyone out there much experience of cycling at high altitudes
|> |> for extended periods of time - up to a week of serious exertion.

|> Going from a low lying area to high altitude, one must be cautious of
|> AMS (Acute Mountain Sickness).  It can occur at altitudes of about 
|> 4500 - 5000'.


This figure sounds a bit low, that's only 1300metres, have you perhaps got
your ' feet and m. metres signs confused ?

I would't expect to have many problems below 3000m.  The air pressure is about
half that at sea level at 3500m and if you go directly to this altitude from
sea level you will notice the change when walking.  What sort of altitude did
you have in mind ?   Crossing Nepal by Mountain Bike you might ride over 15000
feet passes, but as you would approach these over a number of days from sea
level you should aclimatise 'en-route'.  Well nice theory anyway.

I don't know about taking drugs to ward of altitude sickness.  Best bet is to
seek lower ground ASAP.  Your immune system is less effective and you can get
very ill from things like colds.  My boss died in the Himalayas a couple of
years back from a cold - severely aggravated by the 18000'  altitude.

David.
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From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Bicycles on Trains Re: A Quick Survey
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:27:31 GMT

brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
|Do you think that bike carriage on trains is important?  *TRAINS* AREN'T A 
|MAJOR FACTOR IN CALIF.  YOUR QUESTION IS MOOT HERE.

BART runs up the east bay and between Oakland and San Francisco;
CalTrain runs up the peninsula.  Neither connects the two sides
at the San Jose end, where many commuters go.

BART does not allow bicycles on board during commute hours.
That isn't too good for commuters who want to bicycle to one
BART station, ride to another, and then bicycle to the destination.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
    <llv0r0INN6rs@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo / Object Technology International
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:06:42 GMT
X-Bytes: 1074

In article <llv0r0INN6rs@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> jeand@icicle.Eng.Sun.COM (Jean Dumouchel) writes:

 >When I was living in Canada, Ottawa to be exact, I would flip the bird 
 >every so often. Usually when I was tired. Now Ottawa is a pretty violent
 >city as far as both drivers and Canada are concerned but I never really worried
 >about it since I'm reasonably big and I can run fast (if needed). 

I wouldn't call Ottawa violent by any stretch but thats a personal
view.  

One thing to watch when flipping someone off is that you never really
know who you are doing it to.  I still remember the time I was cut off
by a car.  I yelled a few choice words and extended random fingers in
anger.  Turns out it the driver was one of my profs.  Doesn't excuse
him cutting me off but it is sorta hard to get bonus marks etc from a
guy you called a god damn $#@#$%%!!

Come to think of it, that was in Ottawa.  Gee maybe you're right?!
--
ato de, |m        -- "Throughout my life I have sought peace and quiet"
                                                          - Ted Nuggent
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Do you prefer friction?
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:30:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan28.025919.1773@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>I had lots of friction shifting bikes and they were pure unadulterated
>crap! They wouldn't shift unless they jumped two gears at once.
>I switched to indexed and most of my problems disappeared. There is some
>noise that I can hear on very quiet roads (just when I want complete silence).

	I have friction on my bike, and I'm pretty happy with it.  I wouldn't
go so far as to say that I *prefer* it, but I don't think that I'll ever
spend the money to "upgrade" to it.  I can shift just as fast as anyone with
an indexed system, but I usually find myself tweaking the shifter just to
make sure that everything is lined up.  Call it paranoia.  This extra trimming
takes up more time than a shift on an indexed system, but as my practice 
improves (i.e., as I get less paranoid), I trim less.
	I don't even have anything really high-tech or expensive on my bike.
I have an old SunTour Honor rear derailleur, a SunTour Pro-Compe 5-speed
freewheel (I think!), and SunTour VX shifter levers.  Everything works fine.
I would like to get an ultra-6 and a new rear derailleur, though, although
not because things don't work right.  Mostly for asthetic reasons, and the
fact that 10-speeds are passe.

>Then I got a real deal on a Campagnolo Super Record grouppo and bought it and
>installed it on my Peugeot PX-10. At first it wasn't all that hot since
>I used the SR shifters but after I switched to Simplex shifters the thing
>is a real dream. I can shift faster than an indexed system and I
>can trim the thing by pedalling in reverse and watching to see if the
>chain hops any and trimming it up. Then it runs silent as a cat.
>
	Right.  Just about what I said above.  And let's hear it for those
old Peugeots!!! (Mine's an old UO-8!)

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From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Basic recumbent questions
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:18:32 GMT


I would like a recumbent for extensive touring. The only problem is that
nobody sells them around here, so any comments from current recumbent
owners would be greatly appreciated. I ride fast, on metalled roads
only. How many wheels do they usually have, 2 or 3? Do some come with
mountain bike type 21 gears? I really needed that if I ever wanted to
ride to southern Europe. I'd really want to buy a light, elegant and
most probably fully faired version, so I could also ride during the
heavy summer rains (I really hate getting a 'natural shower').

My current bike is a Bianchi light tourer with 10 speeds, geared racing 
style for flat surroundings.

There's also the possibility of doing an experimental recumbent myself.
For planning I needed information of how is the turning wheel usually
mounted to the frame, usual frame concepts (simple ascii graphics would
do fine) etc.

Excuse me if you find my questions naive, but I have never seen a real
recumbent in my life, not even photographs (no magazines around here).
I have read the FAQ but it was quite an overall view with no spesific
points.

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From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Life Flite Episode
Keywords: Specialized,MTB,M2,Helmet,Glasses
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:53:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crash.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1993Jan21.011040.10480@novell.com>, chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
|> In article <1jkr64INN1a6@fido.asd.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton) writes:
|> >The M2-FS has suspension correct mtn bike geometry of 71/73.  Based on what
|> >you've reported, I would hesitate to recommend the bike to heavy riders.
|> 
|> But have *you* broken one?
|> 
|> >I think all lightweight frames (<4lbs) have problems with big riders.  I
|> >know that the Ritchey P-XX series and Bontrager Race Lite are not meant for
|> >heavy riders and have a history of failures (those are both cro-mo bikes and
|> >are not meant for people > 180lbs).
|> 
|> Just a data point here: I weigh ~190 and ride a 4 pound steel frame.  It's
|> constructed out of oversized Prestige *road* tubing (w/TrueTemper fork
|> and 30mm down tube).  The frame would be under 4 pounds but it's fillet-
|> brazed (which adds 4-5 ounces of weight).  Now granted I don't barrel down
|> the rockiest of trails, but I haven't seen any problems so far. 
|> 
|> "suspension correct mtn bike geometry of 71/73"  I really get tired of
|> Specialized blowing their horn about simply doing the job right.  Cripes,
|> it doesn't take a genius to change a jig to accomodate a suspension fork.
|> And where is it written that 71/73 is the be-all and end-all of geometry?
|> How about 72/72?  Oh, I guess you don't need to be able to react quickly
|> with a suspension fork.
|> 

Specialized may be "blowing their horn" about adjusting the geometry for front
forks, but there are still plenty of bike builders out there who are still 
just slapping a RockShox on their existing frame.  I never said 71/73 was the
"be-all and end-all of geometry", you said that.  If you would like to ride
a 72/72 setup, go right ahead....


> 
|> --
|> Mark Chandler              Novell, Inc.         510/975-4522
|> chandler@wc.novell.com     Walnut Creek, CA     AOL: Crosswords
|> ===============================================================
|>    The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:11:22 GMT

>>In article <1993Jan23.022449.1563@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes...
>>>In article <1993Jan22.195445.21940@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes...

>>>I do agree about the the speed of acclimitization for people with
>>>good aerobic fitness.  My wife and I ventured to Summit County in
>>>Colorado to do some mountain biking last summer.  The first day on
>>>the trail was pure hell.  We couldn't do anything!  By the third
>>>day we seemed to have adjusted quite well.  We just had to use
>>>just a little more self control in pacing ourselves.  By the fifth
>>>day, we were charging up and down passes like they were at sea level.
>>>(well, almost like they were at sea level).
>> 
>>Please don't spread these rumors. If you are doing well by the end of the
>>week it is because you have adjusted your riding style, not your fitness
>>at altitude.

Good point. This was not a scientific study, just observations of the
many visitors I get coming to Colorado. All are healthy people and none
have had encounters with acute mountain sickness. The fit people are
"hampered" for less time than the sedantary ones. My point is that
you can plan a weeklong cycling excursion in altitude and not be unduly
hampered the change. I'm not saying you will be totally aclimated nor
will you be ready to race (that takes months). But you can have a good
time and get in some excellent cycling. 

Jim Moore
Colorado Springs
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re:  Drivers and Bikers
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:14:18 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <C19r6M.E46@news.rich.bnr.ca> rob@bnr.ca (Robert Perkins) writes:
>Face it, U.S. citizens are lazy-ass drivers who confuse
>their cars with their penises.

   It should be noted here that roughly half the licensed drivers
in the US don't even *have* penises.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,uk.transport
From: maj@cl.cam.ac.uk (Martyn Johnson)
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:45:09 GMT

In article <C1F0oG.5Ls@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
...
|> Is it?  Crossing double white lines is, as I understand, a Highway Code
|> transgression.  If you are involved in an accident whilst doing it, it
|> can be held against you.  Otherwise it's not of itself an offence.
|> Someone will, no doubt, correct me if I'm wrong.

You are indeed wrong; it is illegal to overtake if it means crossing
or straddling double white lines where an unbroken line is on your side.

The status of Highway Code rules has caused much confusion. I commend
to readers of this group the latest (January 1993) edition of the Highway
Code. It has been largely rewritten to remove this confusion. The new
text consistently uses the words "MUST" and "MUST NOT" (in uppercase bold)
to refer to requirements of the law, and other phrases like "do not" and
simple imperatives for the rules which are "only" recommendations.


Martyn Johnson      maj@cl.cam.ac.uk
University of Cambridge Computer Lab
Cambridge UK
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From: linp@spot.Colorado.EDU (Pat Lin)
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:32:48 GMT

bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com (bob geer) writes:

>ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
>>Has anyone out there much experience of cycling at high altitudes
>>for extended periods of time - up to a week of serious exertion.


it takes me about a week to acclimatize to the altitude.  I just recently
got back from three weeks of loitering at sea level to biking here in
Colorado (gaps!suck!lung puncture!) at over 9000 ft.  Ouch!

I would not advise doing this.

However, to reduce the effect of high altitude, drink lots of water, or 
energy drink ( I could not stomach solid food on the first ride) and spin
very easy gear.  Also, build up the work effort slowly.  If you burn out
on the first day, like myself, biking for the rest of the week will really
suck!


				-Pat

				Ride Hard or Stay Home!
From: jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan22.195445.21940@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes...
>>ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
>>Has anyone out there much experience of cycling at high altitudes
>>for extended periods of time - up to a week of serious exertion.
> 
>Fitness level seems to correlate very well to higher altitude tolerance.
>I live and ride between 6500 and 7500 ft. and have had visitors 
>from <1000 ft. ride with me. They generally do well if they are 
>consistant cyclist. The first day is the worst as far as being short
>of breath, then people acclimate quickly. A different story for
>sedentary people who have dizziness and shortness of breath for days.
>In extreme cases, it can be full blown altitude sickness and can
>be dangerous. I have only heard of this at ski resorts around here
>and they are all above 8000 ft at the base.
> 
>In summary, I wouldn't worry about it. Just do (or don't do) what
>you body tells you. By the end of a week, you'll be right at home.

Problem is, for us flatlanders, by the time we acclimitize at the 
end of the week, we have to go home.

I do agree about the the speed of acclimitization for people with
good aerobic fitness.  My wife and I ventured to Summit County in
Colorado to do some mountain biking last summer.  The first day on
the trail was pure hell.  We couldn't do anything!  By the third
day we seemed to have adjusted quite well.  We just had to use
just a little more self control in pacing ourselves.  By the fifth
day, we were charging up and down passes like they were at sea level.
(well, almost like they were at sea level).

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