Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: A man shall be judged by the company he keeps
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:33:26 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <2714@fedfil.UUCP>, news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:
> 
> 
> They say a man is judged by the company he keeps, and I use the word
> "man" in the old-fashioned, non-politically-correct manner here so as to
> include Sue Bishop and possibly even her gravitationally challenged
> horse in the discussion.
> 
> Bishop and Hyde and a few others continue to claim that when history and
> theory (her ice-core interpretations) conflict, you toss the history and
> not the theory, and I have in mind to show them the company in which
> they place themselves in so doing.
> 
> If you really want to adopt the view that theory overrides history, then
> you don't need to go back to 1500 BC for a starting point;  you can
> start 50 years ago or thereabouts.
> 
> Consider the company which Bishop and Hyde keep in this theory overrides
> history game.
> 

Evidence, Ted.  E V I D E N C E......  You might want to look it up in a
dictionary.  It doesn't mean the same as Theory.  For some reason you seem
to have a problem with words....

Dyslexic?

> Consider the case of Ralph Winston, who typically posts on the
> talk.politics group, and mostly posts articles to the effect that the
> halocaust of WWII is a bogus notion and never really took place:
> 
>>    Another interesting witness for the prosecution was Dennis
>>  Urstein, an "eyewitness" with the "positive proof."  He claimed he saw
>>  bodies gassed with Zyklon B hauled out of the "gas chamber."  He
>>  described the bodies as being "greyish-greenish" in color.  Persons who
>>  have died from Zyklon B poisoning would turn a bright cherry red.
>  
>>    In assisting with the disposal of bodies in the gas chamber it
>>  seems that Urstein wore no protective clothing.  If this was the case
>>  he would have died too.  Urstein also claimed with absolute certainty
>>  that 154 of his family died in the Holocaust but he had the greatest of
>>  difficuly naming even 20 of them.  Of the 20 that he said died at the
>>  hands of the Nazis, one of these actually died in the U.S. in the late
>>  1970's.
>  
>>    Henry Leader was another "eyewitness" who couldn't get the body
>>  color of the supposed Zyklon B gas victims correct.  He didn't even
>>  agree with Urstein's gray-green color.  Leader came up with a new one:
>>  blue.
> 
> or
> 
>>   The results published in the _Leuchter Report_ are the important
>>  thing. Categorically, none of the facilities examined at Auschwitz,
>>  Birkenau or Lublin could have supported, or in fact did suport,
>>  multiple executions utilizing hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide or any
>>  other allegedly or factually lethal gas. Based upon very generous
>>  maximum usage rates for all the alleged gas chambers, totalling 1,693
>>  persons per week, and assuming these facilities could support gas
> 
> 
> I've always assumed that the halocaust was real enough simply based on the
> films taken by American soldiers entering the camps at the close of
> WWII, and by the further consideration that Hitler's declaration of war
> against the US could only have been a kind of a declaration of intent to
> commit suicide, which would logically seem to include a plan to dispose
> of any internal group which Hitler might regard as a fifth column.
> 
> Silly me.
> 
> 
> Ted Holden
> HTE

Let me get this straight?  Is Ted now claiming the 'halocaust' didn't happen?