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From: htweedie@madhat.actrix.gen.nz (Hamish Tweedie)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Olympics?
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:16:35 PST
Organization: The mad HATter's madhouse

In article <Bs5Hx0.n3A@news.larc.nasa.gov> nimmo@scb3.larc.nasa.gov (Nancy A. Nimmo) writes:
> 
> >>Anyone hear how the Olympic sailing is going?  Sure can't depend on
> >>the TV coverage for news here.
> 
>     I just heard there was some coverage last night. In article 6303 in
>     rec.windsurfing the following was posted at 29 Jul 92 20:11:50 GMT:
>     
>     "        I watched a live telecast of the mens and womens 470 dinghies last
>     night, with updates coming through via the commentator of the happenings
>     elsewhere on the other courses (bar the boardsailing... as they couldn't
>     get any results!!).
> 
>     I don't know if they'll be swapping from one course to the next
>     each day e.g. Finns the next day, etc. Time will tell I guess!"

	You can't tell me that you guys are getting no TV coverage at all!!
I watched a good part of the FD race last night, with excerpts from the
470's and Boards during the odd stage. The host nation is definitely
putting out pictures (both helicopter aerial shots and a few cameras
positioned on boats), but they appear to be focusing on one class each day.

	Why not ring into your local TV co and spit some tacks....

-- 

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From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Props
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:10:11 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <1992Jul29.162335.18980@osf.org>, baer@osf.org writes:
> 
> I just tried .... the new Gil 6-gun (6 blade are individually replaceable) prop.
> The composite materials seem to stand up well & handle the hp/torque, just dont
> "bump" anthing (like a rock) as the blades do shear easiler.

   The Gil prop uses 6 blades precisely because it is a composite prop.  E.g.,
   each blade thus is not required to handle the hp/torque that it would in
   a 3- or 4-blade prop.


   pavlov@fstrf.org
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Insurance Companies
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:45:09 GMT
Distribution: rec.boats
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I had coverage for a large number of years with TransAmerica.

It had very reasonable prices and very good coverage.

I finally had a claim and they took care of it.

However, the agent that they sent was an automobile adjuster that
just couldn't believe that boat repairs cost so much. And he had
a hard time understanding that you can finagle boat yards into doing
anything cheaper.

I used a couple of other insurance companies but am now back with
TransAmerica as the cheapest rates and widest coverage.

I don't plan on using their coverage again so the policy is pure
profit from here on out. (Welllll, you never know when you
might need it.)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid)
Subject: Re: Looking for (not expensive) Wrist-Watch for Sailing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:45:42 GMT

: Since I end up breaking the band of my Seiko every few months, I
: thought it would be a good idea to buy a cheap watch so I don't loose
: my better watch sailing.  

I use a $30.00 Casio and love it.

It has two time zones, alarm, countdown timer (with switchable auto repeat),
and a stop watch.  It is the only digital watch I have been able to pick up and
use without reading the manual.

I routinley run the coundown timer, switch to stopwatch to time something,
and then switch back to the countdown which is still running.

The bands also break, but they are about $5.00 each so you can replace them
before they are compleatly gone.


I recall reading an article in a sailing magazine about racing with a 
member of the Royal family of some European contry.  He and his sailing
master had expensive fancy watches, but the author made a point of the
fact that the crew used his cheap japanese digital to time the start.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: rec.boats gets mention in Soundings
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:55:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Was this Bob Stepno''s article? I spoke with him back in April. He
was using email from a genuine internet account and was conversent
with the then current discussion on rec.boats. We talked for about
20 minutes. Among other things, I  passed on the thought that most
of the discussion was on what we do, since that's where we get the most 
benefit from each other's knowledge, not re-hashing the America's cup.


David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Why multis aren't real or can I find a real Cat
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:02:11 GMT

I've sailed a 36' Pearson for several years - and other similar boats before
her - and have owned (or been owned by) a 16' Hobie for about as long.
 
For relaxing, long weekends or trips, I like the Pearson (maybe love her).
 
But, for the real joy of sailing, you can't beat a multi.  The cat outpoints,
out reaches and out goes the bigger boat in all but the very lightest down
winds.
 
Now, the question:  Can I get this kind of performance on a live aboard cat?
 
I've chartered a Prout for 2 weeks after reading a bit - and she was a pig.
Ran very well, but just wouldn't point at all - not even 179 degree tacks!
 
I'm about to charter a Privilege 39 - and folks tell me she is better - but
is she as good as a Hobie?
 
Is there some fundimental rule that prohibits making a big cat perform like
a small cat?
 
Thanks in advance!   /Stu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Maurice: The Pompatis of love)
Subject: Re: rigging sheets thru life lines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: sheets genoa track life lines sailing
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.202251.8295@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben) writes...
>This causes a great amount of force to be put on the life line and one 
>stancion except when I am close hauled.  Last weekend I tried moving the
>turning block forward and running the sheet under both lifelines.  This 
>removed the load from the life lines, but it appears that the sail can 
>not be hauled in as closely now.  

Sounds like the situation on many boats. If you have a spare snatch block and a
toerail with holes you can hook the block at the rail (or stanchion base) and
run an extra sheet under the lifelines to the clew, i.e. a barberhaul. With the
block forward of the usual close hauled position this will give you a nice
powerful shape and a good slot for jib reaching. For truely close hauled you
should stick to your old setup if it works for you. In other words, you should
basically use both methods you described as the point of sail warrants. 

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jon@console.ais.org (Jon Zeeff)
Subject: Cruise control for ski boat
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:23:04 GMT

Can I get a cruise control for my ski boat (inboard)?  If not, it there any
reason they don't make one - it seems quite useful for trick skiing and the
slalom course.

-- 
Jon Zeeff   NIC handle JZ   jon@ais.org  zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cruise control for ski boat
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:37:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

John Huber writes:
>Dudley Gaman writes:
>|>John Huber writes:

>|> >NO BOAT should be able to
>|> >cruise without a driver managing the controls (steering, throttle, etc.)

>|> I hope you mean no SKI boat.  It is quite common for sail boats to cruise
>|> with an auto-pilot or wind vane.  

>Actually, no, I think it is unsafe to have any boat underway without someone
>at the helm.  I can easily imagine being on auto-pilot on a sail boat and
>drifting off asleep (too slow moving :-) ), only to awaken on a reef, beach,
>or worse.  The advantages of an auto-pilot are obvious, however I worry about
>the use/misuse of this type of device.

The very nature of sailing can make it unsafe if one isn't prepared and careful.
Yes, one could fall asleep, or worse yet, fall overboard.  I have fallen asleep
while at the helm but been awoken by slapping sails as the boat changed course.
This wouldn't have happened if I had the auto-pilot on.  Your point is well
taken.  Responsible use of the equipment is essential, but that applies to any
type of boating activity.

At any rate, have a good summer skiing!

Dudley Gaman
Invictus
Pete's Harbor
Redwood City, CA
.
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Looking for (not expensive) Wrist-Watch for Sailing
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:16:34 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

Since I end up breaking the band of my Seiko every few months, I
thought it would be a good idea to buy a cheap watch so I don't loose
my better watch sailing.  As long as I'm going to buy a watch for
sports, I like to try and find one that has some cool features that
might be useful or at least amusing.  I'm looking for something under
$100 like Casio or equivelent brand (no ROLEXes, TAGs, 1992 Olympic
Seikos, America's Cup Citizens, etc).  Of course it should be water
resistant, preferably to 100m.  I have no interest in a watch that is
of a nautical 'motif' but has no additional functionality.  Features
I'd be interested in could include: multiple time zones, alarm(s),
countdown timer(s), stop-watch(es), barameter/altimeter.  I'm
primarily intested in cruising/daysailng. I don't race sailboats now
so I don't need features specific to racing although some racing
features might be useful for cruising/daysailing.

Anyone have any recommendation or experience with cheap watches with
techno-goodies?

-- 
An amazing insight may have paid you a fleeting visit and then retreated.
Resist the temptation to chase it; it is faster than you are.  Value your
glimpse of it, and invite it to return some other time.      -John Bitmap
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:35:32 GMT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

The water level at Bear Lake here in Northern Utah is reaching an all time
low due to a 5 year drought.  Such issues as type and quality of facilities
attitude of management, and price per foot for a slip aren't too important
if you can't float your boat in the marina.  (no smily)

In a related issue.  How about the availability of launch ramps for those
of us who park our boats on trailers?  Bear Lake is a good sized lake
about 5 x 20 miles, but at best there are 4 public ramps.  With the water down
there is only one ramp left and it is nothing more than 2 tracks through
the rocks into the water!  The price for bouncing your truck trailer and
boat over the boulders is $3.50.  The local farmers, an enterprising group,
have begun posting their tractors on the 'new' (~ 200 yards on 3 sides of
the lake) beach and charge $20.00 to float your boat. (10 in 10 out)
How goes the rest of the country?

-
Hal Lynch
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
	DECnet:   USU::HAL
From: danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: rigging sheets thru life lines
Keywords: sheets genoa track life lines sailing
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:22:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


I am having difficulty figuring out how to rig the sheets on my 38' Jeanneau.
She is rather beamy (12') with a large genoa that is suited well to the 
light winds in the summer here on Barnegat Bay.  When I first rigged the 
sails, the turning blocks were about 2/3 of the way aft on the tracks and I
ran the sheets inside of all the life lines.  The tracks sit just inside the 
life lines on the side decks next to the pilot house.  

This causes a great amount of force to be put on the life line and one 
stancion except when I am close hauled.  Last weekend I tried moving the
turning block forward and running the sheet under both lifelines.  This 
removed the load from the life lines, but it appears that the sail can 
not be hauled in as closely now.  

What are the guidelines for locating the sheet turning block on the track and 
which way of rigging the sheets is better?  I see that some boats have an 
inner and outer track, but don't see any way to rig this on my boat. 

Dan McKibben                       dcm@hocpb.att.com

   WACHUSETT    Jeanneau Espace 1100    Pt. Pleasant, NJ
From: CHRIS@csclan.cs.com (Chris Rousseau)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Keywords: oops
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: CHRIS@csclan.cs.com (Chris Rousseau)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Support Corporation, Dallas, Texas.
News-Software: CNEWS Novell/MSDOS inews ver 11Sep91

>>I am intentionally not naming the marina or the club (don't want any
>>accidental thefts or sinkings), but any readers from d/fw probably
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I guess there should have been a smiley
here.  Although it's not really something to smile about.  Let me clarify
and say that nothing like this has really happened.  The :) omission was
probably due to the combination of worry about toys that you can't keep
completely safe and frustration with a marina that seems not to worry much
at all.  
 
>Then so do the Marina operators. And if you're that worrried, then
>I guess you have a worse problem than you want to admit!
 
I *understand* that to get any results, we must take action.  The 
reason I started this line of discusssion was to possibly stumble
upon a creative or unusually effective plan that some of you may 
have used in similar situations. 

Thanks for your responses.

Chris

P.S. Are the people from the Bay Area the only ones with opinions 
about their marina services?  Anyone else...East Coast/Gulf Coast/
Great Lakes/Inland Lakes???
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Looking around
Summary: a few words on the Freedom 21, 20, and Independance
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:45:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul23.200408.20717@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>boats will sell for 2/3rds of the advertised asking price. So, we are now
>looking at a Freedom 20 (21?). As you can see, we're quite eclectic in our

(stuff deleted)

>to the cockpit. Apparently it was designed for the handicapped. Well, I'm
>66, so maybe I qualify. What we don't see is anything beneath the waterline.
>Can anyone fill me in on the keel? centerboard? Fin? Ballast? Draught? Its
>made by Person-Tillotson, but haven't they gone belly up? One curiosity is
>that it has railings right the way round. Is this really capable of going
>out anywhere? 

    Back in the old Garry Hoyt days at Freedom, there was a Freedom 21.
This was a cat sloop design with very small self tending jib (Hoyt called
it and "accelerator/energizer", anything to keep from calling it a jib.),
a fin keel, a gun mount spinnaker and some heavy duty advertising. There
was a magazine ad picturing one of these little boats working to windward
on Naragansett Bay in about 40 knots of wind and a steep chop. Very impres-
sive...
   The Freedom 20 is, I think, a Gary Mull design as are most of the newer
Freedoms. I expect it, too, has a fin or wing keel. The Freedom Independance
is a Freedom 20 modified for disabled sailors. There are two swiveling
chairs for the helm and crew positions. Wheelchair bound sailors strap
themselves into the chairs and go sailing with the help of a single able
bodied crew member, who put up the sails and does the other jobs requiring
one to get up.

   Tillotson-Pearson is alive and well, building the Freedoms, J boats, and
several other brands. They also produce the Manta 32 by Garry Hoyt. Everett
Pearson is one of the prime movers in the American Sailing Association, and
is largely responsible for the big show the group is putting on this coming
February in Atlantic City. The ASA seeks to get more people involved is 
sailing by making the sport more accessible to more people. The sponsor 
sailing lessons and the like.

Wayne Simpson (no fancy .sig this time)
From: afrey@rodan.UU.NET (Allan Frey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Leeward Island Charter Cos.
Date: 27 Jul 1992 16:19:54 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Keywords: evaluation


In the spring, I asked for information on bareboat charter 
companies in the Leeward Islands.  There were few 
responses, mostly recommending Moorings.  I have now 
sailed there for two weeks and this is a report on 
charter companies.  

I did not use Moorings because they would limit
my cruising area and would not let me sail at night 
(We are experienced sailors).  

Sun Yachts and Sunsail ended up as my choices and I 
finally went with Sunsail.  In general, I was happy with 
the people at Sunsail and how they maintained their 
boats.  I would not, however, take their Benateau 45 again.
The boat sailed well but the design did not allow ventilation.
It had side port holes that opened.  It did not have
large hatches on the deck or cabin.  Thus, at anchor there
was no air through the boat.  I had to rig a towel between 
a port hole and life lines as a wind scoop.  Such lack of 
hatches is also unsafe.  There was only one way out of the 
boat.  Last year, a friend had an electrical panel on his 
boat catch fire and he had to exit out of the forward hatch. 
If that happened on the Benateau 45, we might not be able to 
get out.  

The next time I charter there I will take a Centurion from 
Sun Yacht in Antigua.  The people are nice, the boats are 
well maintained, they sail well and are well ventilated.
Several people I met while cruising had favorable comments.

Sun Yacht's 800 number, which is their Florida office, was 
reluctant to let me sail at night.  The people at their base 
in Antigua, however, said I should have called them directly.
They were willing to let me do whatever I wanted. 

I don't have their 800 numbers here at my office but you can 
get them from sailing magazines or 800 directory assistance.
From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Why only one main?
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:29:01 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

In article <20JUL199210310807@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jever Nodis) writes:

>In article <1992Jul18.220651.8794@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes...
>>I have never understood why boats may carry half-a-dozen foresails
>>which are slipped up and down more often than a bride's nightie, but
>>the poor old main just gets reefed. 

>1) It's illegal in most racing rules to change the main during a race.

	Isn't it generally true that things which are made illegal by racing 
associations improve boat performance?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: Why only one main?
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:53:21 GMT


Regarding reefing a loose-footed headsail...

In article <thompson.711732169@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:

|> Disadvantages
|> 
|>        1)  All sail area is lost at the foot; less control over shape
|>            than can be attained using a completely different sail.

I would think lowering the centre of effort of the sail would be a good thing, 
but I guess not if you are talking about moderate conditions (i.e. 20 kts).

...
|>        4)  Requires a sail made for reefing.

Do you mean the sail must be cut specially for reefing, or that it must have
reefing cringles in it.  The latter is clear.  Can I have a reef point put in
my #3 by a sailmaker, or do they also need to recut the shape of it?

dK
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Freedom 21
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:08:12 GMT

Here is the dope on the Freedom 21

LOA 21'8"
LWL 17'8"
Beam 8'
Draft 3'9"
Sail area 200 sq ft
disp 1800 lbs
lead ballast 500 lbs

there is also a shallow draft (2'0") model with an extra 250 lbs of lead.
The Green Machine has the spinnaker and its chute missing, but the pole
is available. apparently the spinnaker + can be replaced for $800. does
that sound about right? asking price is $5600. how do the specs compare with, 
say, a cal 20? the main is fully battened and there are lazyjacks but no
topping lift. i am tempted, but i'd like to hear any severe negative comments.

gybe ho!

francis muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
From: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: What is a Spirit 23?
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I just spent an afternoon down at Bacons in Annapolis looking at sails.
One I came across that appears to be the proper size for a main for
my Annapolis 26 was a new/unused sail for a Spirit  23.  Other than
a somewhat bigger roach and a set of reef points, the sail has similiar
construction to my 20 year old one.  Its an Ulmer sail made, according 
to some pencil marks on the sail, for someone in Texas.  Just for my
own education I was wondering about the boat it was made for.

				   Thanks
					Frank