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From: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Paris-Roubaix
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:56:53 GMT

From article <1992Apr13.033827.2922@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch):
> Well, I know who won, but that's about it.  Gilbert Duclos-Lasalle (Fra,Z)
> won.  The only other item I have is that the victor came from a six-man
> break that formed about sixty miles from the finish.  Anyone who has more
> details, please expand on this.
> 
> Carl

Paris - Roubaix (267,5 km)
--------------------------
1. Duclos-Lasalle (Fra, Z), 6:26:56
2. Ludwig (Ger, Panasonic), + 0:34
3. Capiot (Bel), + 1:22
4. Pieters (NL), s.t.
5. Colotti (Fra), s.t.
6. de Wilde (Bel, Telekom), s.t.
7. Museeuw (Bel, Lotto <?>), s.t.
8. Verhoeven (NL), s.t.
9. Lemond (USA), s.t.

So far the newspaper.
Seen in TV: Duclos-Lasalle and two unpopular riders were around
two minutes in front of the peloton 50 km in front of the finish.
The two men were caught by the peloton later, Duclos-Lasalle 
stayed in front alone with about 1:30. The peloton was reduced
to ~ 30 riders.
15 km in front of the finish Olaf Ludwig (Olympic Champion in
Seoul 1988) broke away and tried to reach Duclos-Lasalle - but
he couldn't get him. A very dramatic finish. 2 km in front of
the finish there was a gap of about 22 seconds between Duclos-
Lasalle and Ludwig. Both had a very good race. The Z Team and
later the Panasonic team did a great job in the peloton! Maybe
a kind of thank for Duclos-Lasalle's help for Lemond in the
last TdF.

If you have more details about that dramatic race, please post
follow-ups.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: c162-ct@danube.Berkeley.EDU (David Rose)
Subject: Question: drop bars on MTB (revisited)
Followup-To: darose@cory.berkeley.edu
Summary: brakes/shifters to use for conversion
Keywords: brake levers, shifters, MTB
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:28:50 GMT

There was a discussion of using drop bars on a mountain bike here
some weeks ago but i don't recall this aspect coming up. I'm considering
swapping bars on mine but i'm curious about what people have done/used
for brake levers and shifters. Currently i'm using Suntour under-the-bar
thumb shifters and am quite happy with the ability to shift without
moving my hands. On drop bars the options seem to be Shimano STIs, Campy
Ergos (both too expensive) or bar-end shifters. Anyone have experience
with these riding trails? Any and all personal experience will certainly
be appreciated.

-- David Rose
From: jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Buyers Co-op
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III)

I believe REI is already in the bicycle business.  The problem is that, as
mentioned earlier, their prices are not competitive with Nashbar, ect.
In order for a "Bicycle Gear Only" coop to work, the prices would
definetly have to be better than what is currently out there.  With
things like Performance's and Nashbar's price-protection plans, this
may be very difficult, although I would fully support any effort to
establish a competitive coop.
-John
From: dittrich@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 18:40:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun80.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr7.191842.25127@ee.ubc.ca> ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H) writes:
[...]
 >
 >I dunno, any body got any other crash stories with clipless'?
 >
 >or maybe that's just me...(ever keeled over at a stop?)
 >
 >Isaac Leung


A better question might be:  

Are there any clipless users out there who have NEVER keeled over at a stop?
-- 
                                                               __
Matt Dittrich    | "Well the god I believe in        |        /  `
dittrich@usc.edu |      isn't short on cash, Mister" |   GO  |  UBS
                 |       -Bono on televangelists     |        \__,
From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Saddle advice sought
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:48:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hello. The gel saddle on my touring bike has become lumpy and
uncomfortable, so I've decided to replace it. This is the second gel
saddle that's done this on me, so I've concluded that I should avoid
them in future. I thought of getting another Vetta Lite: I have one on
my mountain bike which seems comfortable but I'm wondering whether it
would be too hard for longer rides.

Another alternative would be getting one of the stiff leather saddles like the
San Marcos Regal or the Sella Italia Leader. I believe that these take
a while to wear in but are very comfortable when they're worn in. Just
how long is "a while" in this context, and how uncomfortable could I
expect to be in the mean time? I'm planning on doing an MS150 in June
and longer rides later in the summer, so I wouldn't want to still be
wearing in a saddle by then. 

Are there any other saddles I should definitely be considering? I
prefer the feel of leather to lycra, and like fairly narrow saddles
'cos I find that the wider "touring" saddles get in the way of my
peddling.

Thanks for any advice.

-Anthony
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
>suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal? 
>
>Does anyone have any anecdotes on this?
>
>-dk

No. Clipless pedals release by twisting your foot out of them. It's 
like remembering to pull your foot up and back out of toe clips.
Maybe a little more so. When I first started with toe clips I don't
think I had many problems, although it's been long enough that I may
be blocking it out. The first month that I had the clipless pedals I had about
three topples, where I couldn't get my foot out in time. I imagine they
looked kind of funny, to see someone helplessly and slowly fall over.

don
don@island.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hegenber@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu ()
Subject: WANTED: good touring bike, 23-25"
Originator: hegenber@spock.ecs.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:31:23 GMT

Do you have a recent, little-used, superior touring bike you want to sell?
please email me.

Erich Hegenberger
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: acc23403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony C.)
Subject: Is indexed shifting standard?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:33:20 GMT

My friend and I recently purchased mountain bikes.  He bought his
at a different store than I bought mine.  His bike has indexed
shifting which mine does not have.  At first I thought it was 
a novelty that his store put on for his bike.  But after reading
the posts on indexed shifting I was wondering whether indexed shifting
is supposed to be standard.  My friends bike is a bianchi ibex
and mine is a parkpre something or other. Both of our bikes
use the Shimano 200GS whatchamacallits, but his shifters are suntour
and mine are shimano (sti?).  My question is, is  indexed shifting
supposed to be standard?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:48:33 GMT

Andy Dickinson writes:
>	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
>question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
>cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
>least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
>non-leather shoes?

I expect that you can find some non-leather shoes, but I didn't
realize that there were any riders who make it a practice to eat them.
For reasons of practicality, I assume that you do this only after they
wear out.

If this catches on, I expect that someone will bring out a line of
shoes in assorted flavors.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: rjt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ross.j.thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Airline charges
Summary: No-fee vouches for selected airlines
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:35:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <9204071651.AA02999@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes:
> I'll be flying across country and want to take my MTB.  American
> Airlines is my carrier.  They quoted me a transportation price for the
> MTB of $45.00, each way.  There's got to be a cheaper way of doing this.
> I'd like to have the bike as soon as I arrive.  Any recommendations
> (UPS, Greyhound, etc.)?  Prices?

Get yourself a US Amateur membership ($75/yr) and book all your flights
on either Continental or Delta.  US Amateur membership entitles you to
no-fee luggage vouchers for sports equipment when traveling on these two
airlines.  Just call USAmateur (800-number) and tell them you flight
numbers and they will mail you the luggage passes.  Note that even though
the membership is not free, it is still cheaper than the round-trip baggage
charge by American, UA, Northwest, etc. and you can used it as many times
as you like during the year.

Ross
AT&T Bell Laboratories
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Lore & Jargon
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:43:43 GMT

I was reassured while reading Velo News that future generations of
bicyclists will not be lacking in new jargon.  In discussing equipment
the word 'set' as in crank-set, frame-set, spoke-set, chain-set, brake-
set and all the other sets has been enhanced with group-set.  No longer
do we see the Italian word 'gruppo' but the redundant form 'group-set'.

On the lore front, Leonard Zinn reveals the secrets of how Sean Kelly
wins races like Milan - San Remo.  He does it by skillful descending
aided by 'countersteer'.  I guess Zinn hasn't consciously been aware of
how a bicycle is ridden or he was sucked in by the countersteer cult,
sort of like the backswing cult of baseball batting.

With journals like Velo-speak myth and lore is in good hands.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bg055@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stewart Rowe)
Subject: Re: Riding/racing in DC/Georgetown????
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 21:05:53 GMT


No direct experience in that area, but write to the transportation
departments of Virginia and Maryland. They both put out good maps
specially for bicycling with routes marked, including some in the
immediate DC area.
From: junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: HEY!! I'm new here.
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:05:28 GMT
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA

In article <1992Apr16.205630.8341@news2.cis.umn.edu> kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu (kevin) writes:
>Alright I've been reaading for awhile but haven't yet posted.
>
>I'm riding a HARO Extreme Comp and it wants to lose a couple lbs.
>I've already swapped  the SMOKE's for SMOKE LITE's for a beautiful 200
>grms.  I plan to lose the DX under the bars for XT thumbs(it's about
>time), and I might get Dia Comp 986's.  I also drilled about 50
>unnecessary grms. out of the freewheel cogs.
>
>Any other sugestions???-under $20/gram--ei Titanium.

1. Flite Ti saddle
2. Hyperlite bar
3. Ritchie stem
4. EAT LESS!!! - works for me...

     cheers -- John
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: giant vs trek?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:07:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, ewk@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:

> I avoided TREK because everyone here on campus has one!

They seem to be enormously popular here as well; Trek Multitracks and
Specialized Hardrock/Rockhoppers seem to have the lion's share of the market.

Does anyone have actual market share data?

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: ifai645@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul C. Janzen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Valve Nuts (was Re: A NEW question about MA-2's)
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:10:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <22440@goofy.Apple.COM> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>The nut can only prevent the stem moving away from the hub, the one motion we
>don't care about since it doesn't push any rubber against the sharp inner edge
>of the valve hole.  It doesn't protect the rubber when you pull outward on the
>valve or when you pull it sideways, since the nut provides very little
>resistance at right angles to the valve stem.  It does make it slightly easier
>to push the Silca chuck onto the stem, but I have no trouble with this; I plant
>my thumb on the tire opposite the stem to keep it from being pushed in by the
>chuck.
>
>Throw away those valve nuts!  Or at least get titanium ones.

In my experience, a valve nut will prevent you from breaking the valve
core when pumping with a frame pump. (This can be a real bummer. Yes, I've
done it, more than once. Pumping flames > /dev/null.) So I leave the 
nuts on my spare tubes, put them on when I have a flat, then take them
off the next time I pump the tube up with a floor pump.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul C. Janzen                Anything that is good and useful is made
ifai645@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu    of chocolate.
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From: elson@otc.otca.oz.au (Elson Markwick)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:01:40 GMT
Reply-To: elson@otc.otca.oz.au (Elson Markwick)
Organization: R&D, OTC Sydney, Australia

In article <1992Apr7.204752.14162@island.COM>, don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr6.144932.5677@unocal.com> stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
|> >In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
|> >>I'm not claiming that, say, bicyclists are better about obeying traffic laws
|> >>than drivers.  Though I doubt it, maybe they are worse.  It's irrelevant.  The
|> >
|> >Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
|> >laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
|> >things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
|> >having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
|> >hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.
|> 
|> 
|> Driver Compliance to the 55 MPH speed limit on the freeway seems to be 
|> about 10%, at least around here. Or are we only talking about laws that
|> are defined as stupid by the people braking them ?
|> 
|> don
|> don@island.com

I think the point Mike was making is that *most* drivers obey *most* road rules,
whereas *most* bicyclists break *most* rules.  Speed limits is the obvious
exception - many drivers break that one.  However, most of the drivers I see
drive on the correct side of the road, most signal their intent to turn clearly,
most are illuminated driving at night, most do *not* drive on the footpath
(is riding on the footpath illegal in the States?  It is here.), most don't
run red lights and so on.  I see a *much* higher proportion of cyclists breaking
those rules.  Don't forget that there are also many more cars on the roads than
bikes, so although there are probably more cars break road rules than bikes,
the *proportion* of them is lower.  And I'm sure that bike riders break speed
limits whenever they can too....

Cheers, Elson

-- 
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From: olthof@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (i/o)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:56:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U. of Calgary Computer Science

In article <1992Apr14.144132.25236@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>In article <3377@equinox.unr.edu> sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan) writes:
>>A while ago, someone named Pamela posted a series of interesting articles
>>about the preparation and riding of the PBP.  A friend of mine is starting
>>a training program for this and is interested at this point in the quali-
>>fying rides.  

This isn't exactly what you requested, but our club in Alberta (the Rocky
Mountain Randonneurs, or RMR) has several propaganda brochures detailing the
things you need to know/do to survive and even enjoy a randonnee.  If you can
give me a snail mail address, I can dig a couple up and mail 'em out to your
friend.

>BTW, there are quite a few randonneurs who read this group, but are 
>a little less *vocal* than me, so you have a lot of resources here
>with lots of experience that can offer your friend advice. 

Yup, this is true.  I guess I'm a habitual lurker, but I try to post
_at_least_ twice a year!

>Is this friend planning to do Boston-Montreal-Boston this summer? Is
>anyone out there planning on this ride? It's not too late to start
>training!!

Training?  That sounds too much like work for my liking.  To "train"
for PBP last year, I just rode every randonnee in sight (about 2 weekends
out of 3, May - early August), and toured loaded from London to Paris
the week before PBP.  That was enough to finish PBP with a comfortable
3 hours to spare (no speed record, to be sure, but I certainly got my money's
worth!).  (Touring _back_ to London after the ride was my biggest mistake
of the whole trip.  Touring trashed is just no fun.)

(Hmm ... touring loaded ... touring trashed ... sounds like I was drunk
all the time ... just had three pints of Guinness, honest!)

But, I guess there are people out there who _like_ training.  OK, here's
something to train for:

	RMR presents the "Randonneur Week," a randonneur-style tour
	of the B.C. Kootenays (southeastern B.C.), sometime in early
	September.  Seven days of riding, totalling some 1700 km.
	Day 1: 200 km; day 2: 300 km; days 3/4: 400 km; day 5: 200 km;
	days 6/7: 600 km.  (Day 4 is effectively a rest day, except
	for guys like me who like to test time limits.)

So, if you're interested in getting in a full Super Series (plus an extra
200) all in one week, feel free to bug me via email!

i/o

-- 

Ian Olthof						olthof@cpsc.UCalgary.CA
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Knee Pain Reccomendations
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:47:01 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Hi there!   Sorry to hear about your sore knee.   I'd say your first step
should be to make sure that your saddle height is correct, because if it isn't,
that could be part of your problem.   Check out local bike shops and cycling
clubs to link up with experienced cyclists who could check your seat height for
you.

Secondly, make sure you're not riding in too high a gear.  It's better to pedal
faster in a lower gear than push too hard and strain your knees.  Experienced
cyclists in your area will be able to help you select the proper gears for the
type of riding you do.   And they'll help you develop a good cadence, or pedal
rpm.

If you're still plagued by knee pain, check and see if there's a sports
medicine clinic in your area.   That might help too, especially if they have a
cyclist or two on staff.

Hope that helps!   By the way, if you're looking for experienced cyclists and
aren't sure how to find them, try searching out an Effective Cycling Instructor
in your area, and ask about this excellent course.   It would help you in all
sorts of ways.   (I can refer you to the closest instructor to you if your
local bike shops don't know who teaches this course.  Send me an e-mail if you
need details.)


.../Christine Code
Vancouver, BC, CANADA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: A day at the Palomar Mountain
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:36:50 GMT


Thanks.  You made my day.  
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Airline charges
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.7APR199214340874
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9204071651.AA02999@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes...
>I'll be flying across country and want to take my MTB.  American
>Airlines is my carrier.  They quoted me a transportation price for the
>MTB of $45.00, each way.  There's got to be a cheaper way of doing this.
>I'd like to have the bike as soon as I arrive.  Any recommendations
>(UPS, Greyhound, etc.)?  Prices?
> 
> 

     This may be a candidate for rec.urban.legends, but I think most 
Airlines will allow you to take along some things for free. A phone
call might verify what goes for free and what doesn't.

You could try boxing 
up your MTB and mark it "BABY CRIB" or whatever you have to, and 
present it at the check in counter. Use lots of tape and string and etc.
to discourage them from opening it to verify the contents. If you could
use the cardboard from a REAL baby crib (or whatever) it might work even
better. 


    I have always wanted to try this, but never had a need. If you do
it let me know how it works. 


                    Dave H.