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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:55:38 GMT
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand

In article <22540005@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson) writes:

>> People have not noticed the difference between cars and guns (apart from the 
>> obvious 4 wheels/engine barrel stuf !!!). Cars are designed for transport - 
>> guns are designed to kill .That's all they can do ! Personally , no guns for 
>> me - and i don't want to be anywhere near one . 1 nutter is all it takes - 
>> and america is full of them ! Even if the nutter (definition - person that 
>> kills someone) is sorry afterwards , it doesn't help me much.

>Nuts don't need guns to kill people. The worst mass murder in U.S. history
>did not involve a gun. Some "nutter" torched a night club cause someone
>there stole his girl. Should we ban gasoline now?

>                        -- Chan

agreed - but you're still missing the point - all guns can do is kill. cars/
petrol/baseball bats/ knives ..... all have some other use. guns don't ! I 
agree if you really want to kill , you'll find a way - but guns are an 
obvious way. (I'm convinced that if wars were fought with swords and spears, 
people would see how stupid it all was and wouldn't bother to play !!)

    Bruce


Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug)
Subject: Cheap/clean hotel, B & B in Auckland
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:25:57 GMT

Hi down under,


I would appreciate to get recommandations on cheap and clean hotels
and/or "Bed and Breakfast" places in Auckland. If you know about any
such places, please send their names + ph# and fax# (and approx price
for a double room). Information about nice backpackers might also be
of interest.


Thanks in advance,
Svein-Ivar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: US Gun Lobbyist Visits
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 13 Dec 92 08:01:27 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

USENET News System (news@massey.ac.nz) wrote:
> In article <liam.0akh@durie.amigans.gen.nz> liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) writes:
> >Peter Burgess (peterb@cs.st-andrews.ac.uk) wrote:
> >> many people consider drunk drivers who kill people to be murderers but I don't.
> >> That doesn't mean I condone it, my definition of murder includes intent.  Most
> >    So if someone goes out and intends to get blind drunk with the intention
> >of driving home while still under the influence and kills someone then that was
> >an _accident_ in your opinion!?!
> People have not noticed the difference between cars and guns (apart from the
    The difference with guns and cars is that cars are more accessible, and are
a (currently) more socially acceptable means of killing and maiming people.
Especially if there is alchohol involved. This isn't a design discussion, it's
an usage discussion. Dr Noble didn't intend to design a people killer, so that
would mean we can't discuss dynamite as a weapon because it wasn't designed
to kill?

--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

From: erics@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Eric P. Solari)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:19:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Milford Track
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand

greetings!

just a quick one to say thanks to all of you who have sent me 
email re: New Zealand.  the information is sure to make my trip
just that much better.

again, thanks!

eric
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:3353 rec.nude:5996
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.nude
Subject: Re: Hiking/Tramping, naturism
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:48:38 +1300
Followup-To: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.nude
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Accepted nudist beaches in Auckland are St Leonards,  which is a short low-tide
walk south of Takapuna Beach or down some amazing cliff-steps at the end of
St Leonards road,  off Lake Road (the big one going from Takapuna to
Devonport).  The other beach is Ladies Bay that I know nothing about other than
it's reputation.  Be warned,  both beaches are flanked by bushy cliffsides from
which the reflection of binoculars may be glimpsed occasionally...

Jonathan (I grew up there ok?!)

From: erics@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Eric P. Solari)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 20:54:46 GMT
Subject: Milford Track
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand

greetings,

i'm planning on being in NZ next mos. and have an opportunity to
do the Milford Track.  thing is, its *VERY* expensive -- U.S. $690.00.
this is for both the 4 night and the 5 night options -- the 4 night
option uses a plane to get you to the starting point, the 5 night option
you hike to the start.

anyway, is it worth it?  any opinions on the Track would be
greatly appreciated.  also, what about some of the others?  Hollyford,
Roturburn, etc.

thanks!
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From: sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug)
Subject: Does the Kiwis in Auckland celebrate New Years eve? 
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:47:41 GMT

Hi again,

My wife (the Canadian wondering about NZ handcrafts a few postings ago)
and I arrive Auckland on the afternoon of the 31st. New Year
celebrations in Tromsoe includes tons of snow, uncontrolled fireworks
and heavy partying until next morning. 

What do the Kiwis do on this evening/night? Are there any particular
events that we should not miss? We might be tired after 36 houres of
traveling, but that should be no excuse to celebrate the new year
(12 houres before the people back home).


Greetings from the other side,
Svein-Ivar
From: chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:15:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand

> People have not noticed the difference between cars and guns (apart from the 
> obvious 4 wheels/engine barrel stuf !!!). Cars are designed for transport - 
> guns are designed to kill .That's all they can do ! Personally , no guns for 
> me - and i don't want to be anywhere near one . 1 nutter is all it takes - 
> and america is full of them ! Even if the nutter (definition - person that 
> kills someone) is sorry afterwards , it doesn't help me much.

Nuts don't need guns to kill people. The worst mass murder in U.S. history
did not involve a gun. Some "nutter" torched a night club cause someone
there stole his girl. Should we ban gasoline now?

			-- Chan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: public telescope viewing
From: Martin@kcbbs.gen.nz (Martin Kealey)
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:53:28 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

If you're interested in astronomy in the Auckland region, especially the
Auckland Observatory, contact David Dix <dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz> or
<dgd@aklobs.org.nz> for more information. (KC in kcbbs stands for Kappa
Cruxis - the jewel cluster.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.nude
From: paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch (Paul Burkimsher)
Subject: Hiking/Tramping, naturism
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:29:37 GMT

In article <14796@cis.rand.org>, Roald_Euller@rand.ORG (Roald Euller) writes:
> 
> As far as other enjoyable tramps in NZ, there are many.  My personal favourite
> for a leisurely, seaside walk is the Abel-Tasman Coastal Track -- this may the
> most beautiful tramp I've ever taken.  You walk along the shore of Golden Bay
> (north tip of South Island) past one absolutely stunning beach after another --
> the only drawback is that it is quite crowded this time of year with Germans and
> Dutch sunbathing in the nude.  Come to think of it that might not be so bad 
> after all...
> 

Great. Tell us more! Are there lots of beaches like this in NZ, or do NZ naturists
just "know where to go"? Or are most becahes so thinly populated, nobody bothers you?
Or, is nudity not frowned on anyway? 

Finally, where would I get a list of Naturist Beaches from? Also swim session details?
Any naturist holiday campgrounds (as opposed to landed clubs)?

Many thanks,

Paul

PS You may wish to move your reply to rec.nude.

---------------

Paul Burkimsher
European Laboratory for Particle Physics,
CERN
CH-1211 Geneva 23
Switzerland

Tel: +41-22-767-4915
Fax: +41-22-767-3900

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Keas (was Milford Track)
From: phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:15:37 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Geoff Mccaughan's accurate comments about keas reminded me of the one
that ate part of a rubber handlebar grip off my bicycle when I was
camping in the Buller Gorge.  You'd think it would have preferred the
leather bicycle seat, but keas seem to treat the obviously inedible as
some kind of challenge.  The handlebar grip was the main course after an
entree of foil from a roll film wrapper for which the bird had opened a
film box.

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Lyndon Watson                              L.Watson@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: s91376yf@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Yuka Fukushi)
Subject: reserch
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:10:08 GMT


	I'm doing a reserch on the economic problems in New Zealand.  I'd be
very glad if you could spare me a moment to answer these questions. 

	1 Do you think there are any problems in NZ? If there are
	  problems, what are they? (They don't have to be economic problems.)

	2 Do you have any ideas to develop NZ economy? If you have, what
	  are they?
	
	3 Are you satisfied with your life? Do you have any ideas to
	  live a better life?

	Please e-mail your answer.
	Thank you.

Yuka Fukushi
s91376yf@sfc.keio.ac.jp

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.spain,soc.culture.thai
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Subject: ]
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:56:39 GMT


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From: frankpit@eng.umd.edu (Bernard Adrian Frankpitt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:19:08 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: frankpit@marconi.src.umd.edu







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From: starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Arming the police (US Gun Lobbyist Visits)
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:04:54 PST
Reply-To: starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz
Organization: No organisation at all
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

USENET News System (news@massey.ac.nz) wrote:
: In article <22540005@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson) writes:

       [bits gon]
: 
: agreed - but you're still missing the point - all guns can do is kill. cars/
: petrol/baseball bats/ knives ..... all have some other use. guns don't ! I 
: agree if you really want to kill , you'll find a way - but guns are an 
: obvious way. (I'm convinced that if wars were fought with swords and spears, 
: people would see how stupid it all was and wouldn't bother to play !!)
: 
:     Bruce
That didn't stop the Romans, Goths ect.
I agree that guns were made to kill but so were Knives,baseball bats(clubs)


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:3348 rec.nude:5981
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Subject: Re: Hiking/Tramping, naturism
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.nude
Followup-To: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.nude
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:59:14 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks

Paul Burkimsher (paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch) wrote:

>Great. Tell us more! Are there lots of beaches like this in NZ, or do NZ
naturists
>just "know where to go"? Or are most becahes so thinly populated, nobody
bothers you?
>Or, is nudity not frowned on anyway? 

To generalise horribly 8-) I would say N.Z. is more openminded about nudity
than the U.S. but less than Europe.

The beaches referred to in the previous post are reasonably isolated and
certainly sufficiently remote that if anyone was silly enough to complain
about nudity nothing could be done in a reasonable amount of time anyway.

It's probably a fair bet that very few of the people one met while tramping
would be small-minded enough to worry about something like this, but if you
tried it at a public beach near a population center you may not be so
fortunate.

I'd say do it anyway - a little civil disobedience is good for the soul.

--
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                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
        "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit)
Subject: Re: Canadian Junk Food (was Re: Quebec junk food (mae west rules!)
Organization: MADD - Dyslexics against Mad Mothers
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:49:36 GMT

In article <WARKENT.92Dec14181753@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>answer!).  I've also recently learned that "Bugles" are a Canadian
>phenomenon.

well, I dunno where they appeared first, but Keebler makes them in the US...
And since it's keebler, they don't use tropical oils like betty crocker
does in canada.

those snacks are very addicting.. ya start eating one and if you're alone
and have a box in front of you, ya eat the entire box... A very dangerous
food, IMHO.. :-)
-- 
| Alan Ezust    depeche@cs.mcgill.ca   McGill University Computer Science    |
|------------------------Montreal, Quebec, Canada (?)------------------------|
|  I'm not much of a night person. I'm *definitely* not a morning person.    |
|  I'm not really an afternoon person either. Does this mean I'm a nobody?   |
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: RE: News Request
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:08:15 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <ellis.2.724320362@mtb.und.ac.za> ellis@mtb.und.ac.za (Mr Adrian Ellis) writes:
>I am a Canadian national presently living overseas, I would like to know if
>anyone can tell me how to obtain up to date informtion regarding current
>affairs and news in Canada.
>   
One possibility is the short-wave service of Radio Canada International.
RCI suffered a savage budget cut a year or two ago, so most of their
English and French broadcasts are now retransmissions of the CBC and
Radio-Canada domestic services.  This includes news programs like
The World at Six and As It Happens.

You can get a free schedule of the times and frequencies of RCI's
broadcasts by writing to

Radio Canada International
P.O. Box 6000
Montreal, Quebec
H3C 3A8

You might also try requsting more information via rec.radio.shortwave

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: ellis@mtb.und.ac.za (Mr Adrian Ellis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: News Request
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:06:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pcu35.mtb.und.ac.za

I am a Canadian national presently living overseas, I would like to know if 
anyone can tell me how to obtain up to date informtion regarding current 
affairs and news in Canada. 
			
				Thanks.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9559 can.politics:10962 talk.abortion:52514 talk.politics.animals:10468
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:29:08 GMT
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Followup-To: talk.abortion,can.politics
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Dec20.043628.3553@bmerh85.bnr.ca> 
nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:

> [.. story about an abortion to save the mother's life ..]

> Apply this to today's situation.  Some people still oppose ANY abortion,
> even in cases like the above.  Some people oppose abortion, except for
> health reasons.  To those people, I ask:  who is qualified to decide
> when the health reasons are sufficient to justify an abortion?  

I believe that most physicians are qualified to determine whether
an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother.  Why do
you believe otherwise? 

> Are you really prepared to judge for yourself how much a woman 
> should face?  

No, because I'm not qualified to be a physician.

> I'm not ready to do that.  Thus, I am pro-choice.

I don't follow your reasoning.  If you're not qualified 
to determine whether an abortion is necessary to save 
the mother's life, then how does it follow that nobody 
is qualified to make that determination?  What about 
physicians?  

Who is qualified to determine whether a person was justified 
in using lethal force in self-defense?  Do we always allow 
the individual to make that determination?  


>The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself


Doug Holtsinger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Moving to Canada
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:17:38 GMT

In article <1gth1uINNmju@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, francis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> I would like to explore my options regarding moving to
> Canada and am wondering if this is the right group to 
> discuss the issues.  New Zealand is a really nice place
> but I want my kids to get a broader out look on life
> by moving to another country.
>  
> Gary


Hi,
  Canada is a terrible country in which to live, in my opinion.  The
place is utterly boring.

Laurence

Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9493 can.politics:10907 talk.abortion:52344 talk.politics.animals:10396
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:15:56 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:

>Just for thought:
>
>In Canada, if you kill a baby 1 hour *before *it's born, and the 
>mother approves, it's called an abortion.
>
>In Canada, if you kill a baby 1 hour *after* it's born, and the
>mother approves, it's called murder.
>
>There is no fundamental physical differences between the babies in the
>two cases.
>
As they say in business real estate:

   LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION

 -Steve
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