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From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Subject: Re: EATING WORDS!
Followup-To: rpierce@oracle.com
Summary: Do I detect a little bitterness
Keywords: Bitter, Joe Cool, NINERS, toast????
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:43:04 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
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	Do I detect a little animosity towards our beloved Joe Montana?
	That or you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed.  You 
	are probably just a fan of one of those pathetic, sorry ass
	teams that Joe has been leading the Niner's to victories over
	for the last decade.  Or maybe he personally assaulted you in some
	way.  Either way, you come across as a whiner.  Maybe you are just
	jealous of Joe and the Niners.  Maybe you wish he was the MAN on
	your team.  Maybe you wish your team had some SUPER BOWL VICTORIES.
	All I can do is speculate, but your ragging on Joe makes you look
	like a 6 year old who can't have his way.  The guy is hurt because
	he plays the game hard and has been a competitive multi-sport
	athlete for 20+ years.  So what's your beef.  Face the facts
	pal, Joe is the best QB to ever play the game, and there's 
	nothing you can do or say that's going to change that.  HAHAHA.

		Have a nice 49er DAY.

			Russ

	PS.  GO NINERS, GO STEVE YOUNG, GO STEVE BONO AND GO JOE GO!!!!!!

	

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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: List of rosters
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:36:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.133949.11711@cs.tulane.edu> rsmith@goose.age.lsu.edu (Rhett Smith) writes:
>
>Does anyone know a good magazine that has the final roster for each NFL
>team in it?
>
	The Friday, Sept 4th, USA TODAY.
--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: More Haley info *   *
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.191917.27037@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>so, that is 10.5 sacks per year for a 7.5 yard average.  He is a
>consistent 50 tackle guy, which is kindof low for a linebacker in the
>4-3, but he rushed the passer on 90% of the downs.  He appears
>durable.
>
>I gave some thought to what to do with Haley, now that he has played
>the 4-3 for most of his career and Dallas playing a 3-4.  How about
>this move, although the players involved are not starters.  How about
>playing a modified 3-4 set on passing downs (nickel situation), with
>Tolbert at LE, Noonan at LT, Jones at RT, and Haley at RE.  Bates (or
>Woodsen) plays the MLB spot and Norton and Smith on the outsides.  
>

In a fit of numerical dyslexia, I switched 3-4 and 4-3.  For those of
you say "Dallas doesn't play a 3-4" or "San Fran doesn't play a 4-3",
please switch those #'s ....

*ice*>


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Best RB
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:46:00 GMT

In article <2322@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

   In article <Derek_Juntunen.07f9@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
   >
   >Some people would say Emmit Smith because...well, I have
   >no idea.  Maybe because he won the rushing title by few
   >yards?  True, but Thomas played one less game than him.
   >And Sanders had ALOT fewer rushes.
   >
   Of course, Emmitt played against better defenses.  Blab blah blah blah.
   Why even try?  No one is going to budge on this.  The only one who really
   cares is probably Bill M-S, with his seemingly endless tirade against
   anyone supporting the Cowboys.


I think that most people around here would agree that ice is the most obvious
Cowboy supporter.  Ask him how often I've made any comments about him.  I've
only had problems with the bonehead posters who are completely blinded by
their enthusiasm for their team, or respond to each post that doesn't praise
the Cowboys with a personal attack.  For example yours.  Though this is a new
one.  I've never before been attacked in a thread that I wasn't taking part
in.

Now if you feel that the title 'bonehead poster' applies to you, I can
understand your anger and your personal unprovoked attack on me.  But if not,
then why'd ya do it, Dan?

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rison Agrees To Terms
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:01:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I just read a report indicating that Andre Rison has agreed to terms
with the Atlanta Falcons.

No word as to when he'll be able to play...

-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 09:46:36 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: STEELERS (and other starting QBs)

Since we've recently had an influx of returning students who haven't yet
paid enough attention to find these things out, here's as complete a
list of starters as I can come up with.

Buf:	Kelly
NYJ:	O'Brien
NE:	McMillan (is this right?)
Mia:	Marino
Indy:	George (I seem to recall hearing he was hurt.....?!)
Pit:	O'Donnell (yes, it's official)
Cle:	Bernie
Cin:	Boomer
Hou:	Moon (yes, he signed)
Den:	Elway
KC:	Kreig
SD:	Gagliano (yes, it's official)
Sea:	Stouffer (is it official, yet?)
Raid:	Schroeder
Skins:	Rypien
NYG:	(can't remember his name---not Simms)
Phoe:	(can't remember his name)
Dal:	Aikman
Phil:	Cunningham
Det:	Peete
GB:	Majkowski
Chi:	(can't think of his name)
TB:	Testaverde
Min:	Gannon
SF:	Young
NO:	Hebert
Atl:	Miller (I think)
Rams:	(can't remember his name either, but you know who he is)


--Vernon.
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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Final Cardinals Roster anyone?? Also-A Thompson Trade rumors?
Organization: NRC - Institute for Marine Dynamics
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:38:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.123223.8847@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, erk@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (eric.r.kierstead) writes:
> 
> BTW- Are there any other Cards fans on the net besides
> Russ Smith and me?  

There's one out here in St. John's, Newfoundland.
It's a long way from Phoenix, but I've been a Cardinal
fan forever (probably the only one in the province).

Keith Mews
From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49er News
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:25:35 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

A story in the Peninsula Times-Tribune (a small Palo Alto newspaper) says
that Joe Montana is really pissed about his being placed on IR, and has
stated that he wants out of the last year of his contract at the end of
this season. So who does Joe think is going to pick up a 37-year old QB
with a sore arm who hasn't played in two years, and pay him $2.5 million
to boot?

In more important news yesterday, Keith DeLong finally signed. It was a
one-year deal for $475,000, with an additional $85,000 in incentives based
on playing time this year.

The 49ers still have two open slots. One will go to a punter, obviously,
but not necessarily Prokop. Prokop did clear waivers (surprise, surprise!),
but the 49ers took a look at Maury Buford yesterday. 

Alan Grant, a cornerback released by the Colts, was picked up by the 49ers.

=============================================================================
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Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
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"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
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From: Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu (Fil Sapienza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Andre Ware demands to be traded
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:01:16 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - Surgery Tech Svc
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

I heard on the radio yesterday that Andre Ware has demanded 
a trade from the Lions so that he can get a new start with a new
team.  He is dissatisfied with being third string quarterback for
another season and apparently feels the Lions have not done enough
to bring him along.


My 2c: I think this could be a good move for both Detroit and Ware.
Unfortunately, now that it is news all over, his stock has probably
dropped considerably, because he wants to be traded (not that it was
worth a tremendous amount anyway).  

Ware has a lot of talent, and if he does go elsewhere, I hope he finds
success.

What kind of player do people think the Lions could obtain for Ware?
A draft pick? A draft pick and a starter? An average starter?

-----------------------------------
Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Poll
Keywords: Poll
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:15:19 GMT

In article <87840@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Just a poll: How many of you out there (beside myself) think that Ray Handley
>is the biggest schmuck of a coach to walk the Meadowlands since the likes of
>Ray Perkins?  I figured if we could get a yea long petition and send it to
>George Young .... hey, if the baseball folks can do this to Fay Vincent, why
>not?
>
>satish nair
>GIANT fan dreading the upcoming season!

I happen to agree with you.  He, IMHO, gives me the impression that he is
out to prove that he is in control.  In doing this, he makes what I consider
some pretty idiotic decisions. He shows no respect towards Simms.  I am
surprised Simms has not punched him out.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: STEELERS (and other starting QBs)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:33:01 GMT

In article <gedVQwi00WDKI8Endz@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Since we've recently had an influx of returning students who haven't yet
>paid enough attention to find these things out, here's as complete a
>list of starters as I can come up with.
>
>Buf:	Kelly
>NYJ:	O'Brien   ....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No... it is Nagle
>NE:	McMillan (is this right?)
>Mia:	Marino
>Indy:	George (I seem to recall hearing he was hurt.....?!)
>Pit:	O'Donnell (yes, it's official)
>Cle:	Bernie
>Cin:	Boomer
>Hou:	Moon (yes, he signed)
>Den:	Elway
>KC:	Kreig
>SD:	Gagliano (yes, it's official)
>Sea:	Stouffer (is it official, yet?)
>Raid:	Schroeder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be sure
about this lasting right thru the season .. I am sure Todd is more
talented although he might take some time. 
>Skins:	Rypien
>NYG:	(can't remember his name---not Simms) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoss 
>Phoe:	(can't remember his name) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tim Rosenbach
>Dal:	Aikman
>Phil:	Cunningham
>Det:	Peete
>GB:	Majkowski
>Chi:	(can't think of his name)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Harbaugh 
>TB:	Testaverde
>Min:	Gannon
>SF:	Young
>NO:	Hebert
>Atl:	Miller (I think)
>Rams:	(can't remember his name either, but you know who he is) Jim
Everette

>
>
>--Vernon.


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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Eric Metcalf Signs
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:44:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.143224.12637@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada) writes:

>    Eric Metcalf sign with the Browns ending his holdout. The contract

	[ ... }

>Modell. IMHO, the Browns should trade Metcalf for an offensive lineman
>or some other need, the Browns are loaded with backs.. or change him
>to a wide reciever, god knows the Browns need help at that position.

The Browns' best bet may be to either try Metcalf at WR.  He's a very
good kick returner, but a lousy RB, so his trade value would be low.
If he can play WR, then he can contribute (other than running to the
sidelines and falling before anyone gets a chance to hit him); then
the Browns would have the option of trading him next year.

If he can't play WR, and the Browns have other people who can return
kicks, I don't see how Metcalf fits in.
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:37:43 GMT

Kevin Lu (kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: Ronald D Rodabaugh (rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: :      Concerning realignment in the NFL, I have just one question: WHY?
: :      These teams play ONCE A WEEK, for 16 games. Does it really matter that 
: : Phoenix has to go east four times a year every year? Is it really going to be 
: : that much cheaper for the NFL to realign geographically? NO.
: 
: Isn't that eight times? I though each team in each division played the
: other teams within the same division TWICE..
: 

Right, i knew there was something fishy with my comment. Forgot to count
home games (no really!). 'Thanks' to those who corrected me :@)  <-- egg
on face!

Well, re-alignment would fix things up geographically , but i'm not too
sure i want the Falcons in the NFC east. Considering the Giants current
woes, we might finish last! 
  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
 
   
   
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From: voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek)
Subject: m. anderson, k, no  still holding out... 
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:33:05 GMT

the header says it all.....

dave

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From: calliesl@columbia.dsu.edu (Lonnie Callies)
Subject: NFC Central Prediction
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:54:43 GMT

How 'bout this prediction?

              1.  Vikings (of course)...great offense,great defense
              2.  Lions...Peete isn't a divison champ quarterback
              3.  Bears...not the same ol' Bears
              4.  Packers...blew alot of leads last year(vikings,falcons)
              5.  Buccaneers...they suck
  

Lonnie Callies
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas Quickies
Date: 2 Sep 1992 15:12:03 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

Shocked I am, Dallas made roster moves yesterday that I cannot for the
life of me figure out.  After I gave Bartlewski a positive review, and
after he made the final cut, the Cowboys go out and cut him a day
after the final cut.  I might be able to understand this with Irvin
signing, but usually the players are cut AFTER the holdout player
signs...

Secondly, special teams standout and Mike Ditka favorite Mickey
Pruitt, who yesterday made the team against all odds was also cut
today.  Once again, I can understand his cut, but not for the player
that they got.  Dallas signed up ANOTHER OUTSIDE LINEBACKER, former
Giants player Bobby Abrhams who is 6-3 230 and a 4th year player out
of Michigan.  In all cases I cannot find a football magazine that says
anything about him other than he is a "backup", and Pro Football
Weekly went so far as to say (paraphrased) "Bobby Abrahms did little
to excite filling in for (Lawrence) Taylor".  Who is this guy?

Finally, there were no IR moves.  Will they come today? If so, are the
Cowboys not taking a chance on losing the players they might want to
bring back (like Myslinski).  Is JSmith really ready to go?  Did
Richards lacerated kidney get better?  Is Casillas knee really OK, or
does Jimmy just not want to waste a roster move on this injury.
Usually a team will make 3-4 IR moves in the first day, but we saw
none of that in our local paper....

After the IR moves (or on Sat. whichever comes first), I will post
what I believe to be the roster and the depth chart.

If anyone can shed light on this and/or Bobby Abrams, please do...

*ice*
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49er business
Keywords: Montana
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:56:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep2.195657.17773
Followup-To: EATING WORDS
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Regarding the thread "EATING WORDS", jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P.
Gloria) writes:


> ...release him.  Although I am a big Niner/Montano fan, this is strictly
> business.  I suppose after the Niner management got all the heat for
> the handling of Lott and Craig, they are *afraid* to release him although
> they know they should.  Afterall, he was their franchise.

Really, good business has little to do with what is happening in Ninerland
as we babble on the net.  If Niner management "know they should" release
Montana, I am inclined to question it...simply because Niner management
does not seem to be making the best of decisions these days.

I am the first to admit that I am no pro football management wiz...and the
season could turn out to be an incredible success.  But I already have
misgiviings about some of the moves that have been/are being made.  I hope
my misgivings are part of amatuer insight, or it's going to be a long season.

And even though Joe seems to be acting somewhat childish (deciding not to
suit up against Seattle; demanding to be let out of his contract for next
year) and his elbow appears to have a stronghold on the end of his carreer,
the Niners have nothing to lose business-wise, at this point, by keeping
him around (unless Joe decides he *absolutely* wants out).

If you want good business, look back a few years...before the Roger Craig
fumble against the Giants in the NFC Championship game...before Niner
management "evolved"...before "deeppockets" was so involved...before
Seifert was so involved...when assistant coaches were constantly mentioned
as candidates for head coaching jobs elsewhere...before Bill "Egomeister"
Walsh decided Stanford's grass was greener...I could go on, but enough
bandwidth has been spent already.
-- 
Peter Greco <greco@lclark.edu> | 
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Data available on FTP sites.
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: net
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:17:19 GMT

I wrote:
>There is a bunch of NBA and NFL data -- stats, records, game scores,
>schedules (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) -- available for public FTP
>on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  (Also known as ftp.wustl.edu, internet
>address 128.252.135.4) You can access the data through anonymous FTP.
>To do so, type:
>	ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
>and then enter "anonymous" as the user-id, and your e-mail address
>as the password.  Once in there, switch to the directory of your
>choice.  For NFL scores, the directory is
>	/pub/nfl-scores


Here's an update.  I moved the NFL data to the directory /pub/nfl, and
added more stuff into it.  In particular, the file /pub/nfl/92/rosters
contains the complete rosters of all 28 teams, the way they are today.

To answer some common questions: No, I don't have any stats, I don't
have any GIF files, and I don't know about any other FTP site where
you might find them.  Believe me, if I had that info, I'd post it.

Also, note that the NFL directory is unprotected.  Anyone is welcome
to download whatever they want into it -- they certainly don't need
to ask for my permission or intervention.

Good luck and happy crunching.


--Gidi
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:03:46 GMT

   <NFC East ramblings deleted>
>>|> 	the second best defensive line: GIANTS
>>Not any more.
>Name a team with a 3 man front thats better

   How about Houston, KC, Seattle and Philly to start with.

   --salty



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From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
Subject: Raiders fan club or maling list?
Originator: sbanerj@c00011-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: Sanjeev Banerjia
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:31:12 GMT


Is there a Raiders' fan club or mailing list?  I'd appreciate any info
available.

Thanks,
Sanjeev
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rison/Dishman?
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:25:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

(Jeff Mar writes...
>>In article <1992Sep1.160145.11658@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan) writes:
>> 
>>>While there has been trade talk, I dont think Houston has taken it 
>>>seriously.  A high draft choice AND an All-Pro CB for Rison, Houston 
>>>wont do it.  Dishman is an impact player, and generates a lot of 
>> 
>>Dishman made the Pro Bowl last year, but he's never been All-Pro.
		   ^^^^^^^^				   ^^^^^^^
What's the difference!?!?

-- 
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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Lions (and other) Rosters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Sep 1992 12:10 EDT  

Todays (Sept 4) USA Today has a pro football preview section which
includes opening day rosters of all the teams for those of us who
live outside the city which houses our team.

The Lions roster had all the people I thought would be there based
upon who I had heard was cut.  The problem is there were 51 guys
not counting the two on IR.  Barring a mistake (USA Today is known
to make them), the Lions must have four roster exemptions from 
late signing holdouts.  However, these will last at the most two
weeks, so the Lions still have to get rid of (or put on IR) four
more guys.  Gonna be tough cuts if necessary.

Speaking of mistakes, I liked this listing:

83  Aubrey Matthews   TE  5-7  165

Talk about the new power running game!

Ron