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From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gentle Giant CD question: Playing the Fool
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:01:32 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Does anyone with the GG Playing the Fool CD notice anything strange
about the aluminum of the disk?  Does it appear that it is stained
or has something spilled on it?  Mine does, and I hope this isn't
a real defect because I bought it in London.  As far as I know it
plays fine except for slight background noise during quiet parts
(such as beginning of track 2:  is there supposed to be some very slight
crackling noises during that recorder/string section?) which is
probably normal for an older live recording (1976) such as this.

Please help!

Rob

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martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)
Worcester, Massachusetts USA         | 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Subject: Re: It Bites
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:00:25 GMT

It Bites took their name from a sign about a guard dog.

I know it doesn't seem to be the done thing around here, but
I must admit I'm a fan.
They aren't incredibly progressive, though 15 minute songs like
"Once around the world" are obviously influenced by progressive 
bands.
In summary I think they were a good hard rock, slightly progressive
band. At least they could play their instruments, unlike most of
the rubbish we hear on the radio these days.

If you like both hard rock and progressive music, you might like them.
If you hate hard rock, I wouldn't advise you to pick up their stuff.

Any other IB fans out there, or am I the only one?

Anyone know where in Derby Wakeman is playing this Sunday?
I think I'll go.

Cheers,
Steve
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: FUNKY CURIOSITY
From: S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:25:32 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

Just for curiosity, an informal (unscientific,etc) poll:
1.  What (IYHO) is the best funk tune in existence?
2.  What (IYHO) is the best funk band in existence?
 
-mp
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: UK ?
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:18:14 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv



>In a previous article, chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) says:


>>UK is one of my favourite bands, if not my favourite.  That's because
>>they combined the rich jazz/prog harmonic vocabulary with *composed*
>>rock pieces.  Their virtue, for me, was that improvisation was
>>downplayed.  Unfortunately, I don't think Holdsworth was into that
>>kind of restriction.

Surely you like Asia: their virtue is, too, that improvization
is downplayed. IMHO, the band UK is very similar to Asia in
attitude: they have taken some canon (cheesy jazz-rock for
UK, semi-progressive pop for Asia) and exploit it without
improvisation, atonalities and other tricks usual for
progressive music. I doubt they could be called progressive
in the same sense as, say, Henry Cow. A theme for
discussion: is UK a less successive twin of Asia or not?
Historically speaking, of course, but from musical point
of view? I think so, but I only have heard their first
album, which completely put me off due to Jon+Vangelis 
(-Vangelis, of course) vocals and absense of improvization.
For me, the (rare) redeeming parts were Holdsworth
guitar solos, who played there (IMHO, of course)
better that in Gazeuse and Softs.

A sidenote: does anyone know Alan's opinion on his
carrier in late-days Soft Machine? For my taste,
his playing in not great, and the idea to play in
a group with no one who ever played with more than
one of original members is ridiculous.

Misha.
From: ken@bnf.com (Ken Bibb)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: porno for pryos?
Keywords: album?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:42:05 GMT
Organization: Byte & Floppy Computers

In <1992Nov5.090041.26946@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa) writes:



>Please don't be idiotic!.. the only thing that doesn't belong here
>is YOU!

Grow up, child.  Learn how to write, learn how to format messages, then
maybe someday, you'll be mature enough to post to the net.

Until that time, you have permanently entered my kill file.
--
ken@bnf.com	"They're only trying to tell you lies    --XII possibly
		 Trying to make you compromise             writing about
		 To leave reality completely up to them"   Clinton/Gore
-- 
ken@bnf.com	"They're only trying to tell you lies    --XII possibly
		 Trying to make you compromise             writing about
		 To leave reality completely up to them"   Clinton/Gore
From: djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:36:39 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu writes:
>Yeah, great band.  They REALLY need to lose the cheese image,
>however.  Oh yeah, and stop stealing everyone elses sounds, riffs,
>production techniques......

OK, so I can hear Steve Vai in some licks and the occasional Marillion
type keyboard sound, but in my book that _doesn't_ amount to a
rip-off.

So, how about a little substantiation?
	- Whose sounds?  
	- Whose riffs?  
	- Whose production techniques?

Dream Theater are the most exciting band I have heard since I
discovered Queensryche back in 88.  Of course, you are entitled to your
own opinions, but you are just mud-slinging as far I can see with no
justification.

Hey, who knows, you could be right and absolutely justified in your
claims, if so name the artists being ripped off, I'll buy their albums
also; as it is I am as happy as a pig in shit with Images and Words.

-dave "Pissed off with people bringing other people down all the time"

PS What is a "cheese image"?


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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:57:09 GMT

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo) writes:
>>Just for curiosity, an informal (unscientific,etc) poll:
>
>>1.  What (IYHO) is the best funk tune in existence?
>
>Squib Cakes.

The Licking Stick, by James Brown (this week's fave) 

>>2.  What (IYHO) is the best funk band in existence?

>Tower of Power.

I'd go with P-Funk, Parliment-Funkadelic, George Clinton and his mothership... 

>What's this have to to with progressive rock?

Ever heard Funkdelic's Maggot Brain? It's got a great acid-rock solo. But
this stuff isn't anything like symphonic prog. :^) You might try this poll
over in rec.music.funky, unless you're looking for some funky progheads for
this unscientific poll... .   .   .   .   .   .   . 
                        :    :    :    :    :    :    : 
                     3     3     3     3     3     3     3 
                  D      D      D      D      D      D      D 
  ////\            ////\        The Funk-Meister        /\\\\            /\\\\
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: a909486@tiuk.ti.com (Julian Jones         (0032  jzj))
Subject: Re: PINK FLOYD ???
Reply-To: a909486@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:49:15 GMT

The box set is out in the UK, priced 99-99 at the London stores

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: Where can I get Hawkwind: Xenon Codex?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:08:26 GMT

In article <1dohj5INNt7t@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:
>I could not find this CD in London and when I got home I couldn't find
>it here.  Is it even available on CD?

It was in fact released in the USA a couple of years ago through
Roadrunner records in California (I think it was california), whether
Roadrunner is still in business, I'm not sure of. But you should
still be able to find it.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Did you serve in WW II? Please Read!
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:22:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

John Ray,

Re: your veterans' survey:

Most people who served in the war will be at least in their sixties or
seventies by now.  Few of this generation are likely to be on this
network.  Unless you are specifically looking for network type vets
I suggest you publish an address so netters can give the survey to
vets they know (like fathers and grandfathers) and have them fill it
out in hardcopy and mail it back.

Good luck.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: No fly zone being ignored when Turkey invades Iraq
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:17:21 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow) writes:

>FWIW (without an exact citation), the Washington Post recently stated
>that Iraq and Turkey have an agreement (how formal, I don't know) that
>permits Turkish hot-pursuit of rebels into Iraqi Kurdistan. Just how
>hot-pursuit is defined (or if it is) in that agreement, I don't know.

This is the Mosul Agreement, what we've been discussing.

In fact this aspect of Mosul is quite a small one. It was a much larger
document covering the carve up of the Middle East and Gulf areas in general
and undoubtedly sowing the seeds of all the future conflicts we have seen.

One aspect of Mosul, which Doug touched on obliquely, was the setting of the
Iran - Iraq border on the Iranian bank of the Shat-al-Arab waterway quite
contrary to the International convention of down the middle, thereby denying
Iran access to it. The reasons for it of course were that Britain had just
installed a friendly puppet king in Iraq and thus were assured of the free
flow of cheap oil from Iraq. The actions of the Shah in the mid 70s to force
Hussein to move the border to the International convention of mid-stream was
more to do with correcting the actions of a previously crooked 'surveyor' -
Britain. The Iran Iraq war inevitably followed as Hussein attempted to regain
face.

It suited Britain at the time to permit the inclusion in Mosul of the 'hot-
pursuit' agrrememnt, since Britain were embroiled in a bitter wrangle with the
Kurds after they [Britain] had renaged on an agrrement with the Kurds during
WW1 that in return for Kurdish help in driving back the Ottoman armies in the
region, Britain would set up an independant Kurdistan as part of the war
settlement. They obviously didn't and the Kurds began a guerilla war against
the British in the region. At one point notable British Parliamentarians were
urging the RAF to use mustard gas on the Kurds!!! (You;ll get that bit in
Hansard - I've forgotten the date though, 1920s I think.)

Allowing someone else (Iraq and Turkey) to fight this battle allowed Britain
to slink off since those two countries would have to give up large chunks
of land. (I may be wrong here, but I believe the WW1 plan was to use land from
_only_ those two countries to form Kurdistan - Iran and other areas wasn't
involved)

So, if you're looking for _one_ of the key elements of the modern day disputes
in this area, I'd suggest that the Mosul agreement is one of them together
with a certain individuals 'scribbles in the sand'.

Winston Churchill was one of the signatories to Mosul and he was also the
'notable' Parliamentarian above.

He also had a habit of scribbling in sand too.


Dave 'who'll eventually get the spelling of agreement right'

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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: No fly zone being ignored when Turkey invades Iraq
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:46:58 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:

>I am not going to wade into Mutlu country.  I have him in my kill file
>in half a dozen groups already.

In which case it should present no problem to you, allowing you to filter out
the drek and get the info from the more rational Turks such as Cengiz Akgun,
Mark Hubey, Denniz Agun et all.


Dave

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From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: No fly zone being ignored when Turkey invades Iraq
Organization: VTT
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:16:04 GMT

In article <Bx77on.JDn@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:
>
>*sigh* 
>Doug, I am tired of playing silly word games and semantic puzzles
>with you. ...

This thread started when I commented that the UN seemed unwilling to 
address a Turkish invasion of Iraqi territory, and it seems to me that
"word games" started when someone questioned whether and invasion that
they supported was actually an invasion.  One's support for an invasion
does not make it not an invasion (I would have supported the Normandy
invasion, but it was certainly an invasion).

>I have nothing further to add - if you are at all serious about this issue
>(and I'm beginning to doubt you are) I'll expect to see a posting from
>you in soc.culture.turkish, the place where you _WILL_ get some answers
>rather than here in alt.desert-storm.

I am not going to wade into Mutlu country.  I have him in my kill file
in half a dozen groups already.  Anyway I was addressing UN and US
actions, not those of Turkey.

>Dave (Very pissed at you Doug)

No need to get emotional.


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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: Army Basic Training
Originator: srmcinto@c00554-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:52:00 GMT




Hi!  I am thinking of joining the Army and I have a few questions. 
I would like opinions on what to expect in Basic training.  I would
also like some suggestions on how to get into shape before reporting
to Basic.  

A friend recommended that I begin doing pushups, situps, and plently
of ruck marches. While I do not doubt that this information is true I
do not know how many or how far.  How fast should the ruck march be,
with how much weight, and how far?  I would appreciate any workout
suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

Sean


PS:  Should the workout be done while wearing heavy combat boots?


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From: whrlybrd@cwis.unomaha.edu (Nicholas Edward Curto)
Subject: Re: Army Basic Training
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:01:55 GMT

Sean,
	Don't worry too much about the ruck marches the physical fitness 
training will take care of all that.  As far as the push-ups and sit-ups
I recommend doing sets of ten to fifteen during commercials as you watch T.V. 
An important thing to remember is to keep your body in  straight line with 
your head up, eyes forward.  Go down until your arms are slightly past 
perpendicular.  This is called "Breaking the plane."  Remember to start
off slowly and not to push yourself too hard. The sit-ups are just as easy.  
Lock your feet under something, keep your legs bent to a ninety degree angle 
interlock your fingers behind your neck and situp.
I hope this has been some help to you.	

                                            Nick Curto
                                              whrlybrd@cwis.unomaha.edu
 P.S  Remeber: It's all mind over matter.  If you don't mind, it don't 
matter.
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: No fly zone being ignored when Turkey invades Iraq
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:43:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov6.091604.7382@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dfo@tko.vtt.fi writes:

> In article <Bx77on.JDn@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
> >dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:
> >
> >*sigh* 
> >Doug, I am tired of playing silly word games and semantic puzzles
> >with you. ...
> 
> This thread started when I commented that the UN seemed unwilling to 
> address a Turkish invasion of Iraqi territory, and it seems to me that
> "word games" started when someone questioned whether and invasion that
> they supported was actually an invasion.  One's support for an invasion
> does not make it not an invasion (I would have supported the Normandy
> invasion, but it was certainly an invasion).

  But it *IS* a word game, Doug.  If the Iraqis don't object to the Turks' ac-
tions (and I have not seen or heard anything to indicate they do), then there
is certainly no *invasion* as we normally think of the word.  I don't know
what to call it -- "temporary foreign incursion that we think is okay" maybe,
but to say "invasion" creates a picture of events that would appear to be in-
accurate.  Now, if the Turks decide to set up shop and *keep* the territory
they're fighting on then your first rather indignant posting would be correct
not only in its facts but in the implications of those facts.

  Simply put, if there is a treaty allowing this action by Turkey, and Iraq
has raised no objection to this action, then there is no hypocrisy re:over-
flights and invasions.  


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: emmertcd@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Craig D. Emmert)
Subject: Veterans Day!
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: alt.desert-storm
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:50:12 GMT


Thank you, to all that served.
		From,
		A fellow Vet.
From: biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: No fly zone being ignored when Turkey invades Iraq
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:06:10 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

FWIW (without an exact citation), the Washington Post recently stated
that Iraq and Turkey have an agreement (how formal, I don't know) that
permits Turkish hot-pursuit of rebels into Iraqi Kurdistan. Just how
hot-pursuit is defined (or if it is) in that agreement, I don't know.

Killing Kurds is quite the pastime in that region of the world, even 
by other Kurds. My enemy's enemy is the enemy of my enemy's friend's
maternal uncle's left hand grandchildren's enemy's enemy's friend's...
(Doug, doesn't Finnish have more extensive terms for relatives than
English? What about Kurdish?)
From: isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Books with OOBE techniques that work
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:05:16 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Hello.

Anyone who is interested in investigating or learning more about Out of
the Body Experiences, should check into a book called The Creation of Human
Ability.  Also, a book called Dianetics 55!

Both of these books have some interesting things to say about the phenomena.
Both of them are written by L. Ron Hubbard and you can probably find
them at the library, or maybe order them from the bookstore.

Dianetics 55! is very informative if you want to know why/how OOBEs occur. But
I suspect that most people who read this newsgroup would be more interested in
a way to achieve the state and experience it for themself.  If this is the
way you feel, I would urge you to get the book The Creation of Human Ability
and study a technique from the book called SOP 8-C.

I don't have E-mail, so I regret that I can't answer your questions.  Just
read the book and try it.  Also the technology described in the book is 
very exact and must be applied to the letter if you are going to get the
expected result.  Applied correctly, the technology gets results far beyond
what you can probably imagine.  It doesn't involve Drugs, hypnosis, magic,
or anything like that.

I know from personal experience, that it is possible to have and maintain
an OOBE and remain in control of the situation.  You can drive your car, 
operate your computer, eat your dinner, etc. while remaining exterior to the
body.  I know that this might sound delusional, and I wouldn't even bring
it up, but I thought It might add something to the discussion.

The state is certainly pleasent and stable.  It feels much more "normal"
than being jammed into a peice of meat.  Just try it and make up your
mind for yourself.

Best Regards,
-John Holifield
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Silver cord
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:18:14 GMT
Followup-To: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Nov11.191027.26704@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
(Robert McGrath) wrote:
> 
(deletions)
> 
> It is far from clear that NDEs are related to OBEs, but they may be.
> I'm not aware of any good evidence that anything leaves the body during 
> an NDE, so the "medically-trained" researchers' beliefs are basically
> weakly supported hypotheses.  Since there is no adequate physiological
> explanantion for NDEs, the question must remain open.
> 
> -- 
>   Robert E. McGrath,  founder, president and only member of 
>      The Central Illinois Susan Blackmore Fan Club
>   Urbana Illinois
>   mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu

The people I was referring to include Raymond Moody and Melvin Morse, who
are M.D.'s, and Kenneth Ring, a PhD psychologist. Then there's also
Kubler-Ross. Not that their degrees necessarily correlate to better
empirical methods and objectivity than Blackmore, a very respected
scientist. Moody and Morse (and Kubler-Ross), drawing from their
experiences interviewing NDE survivors, have been swayed to the belief that
there is a "something" that leaves the body and survives physical death. Of
course, what swayed them are anecdotal reports and seeing the deep
impression left on the experiencers by the NDE. While these don't
constitute convincing evidence from a scientific standpoint, I personally
found the narratives to be impressive. Especially since the NDE occured
across the spectrum of ages, prior religious beliefs, and so on. The
accounts of people describing details of machinery and events on the
operating rooms, including color perception and reading name tags of
attending medical personnel, while "dead", deserve further study. Even if
these experiences are ultimately explanable by currently understood
physiological processes, it would certainly be of scientific interest to
understand those mechanisms!

Lorin Hawley
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