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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Criterium
Date: 26 Sep 92 02:19:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Sep26.021923.29385
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Jarryl B. Ritchie (jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu) writes:

> Marc San Soucie writes:

> > Criterium races are to road races as Arena Football is to the NFL. Same
> > basic idea, but confined to a much smaller space, with artificial hazards
> > like corners, curbs, and manhole covers. The action is faster and denser,
> > comes around more often, and generates more crashes. Bike racing for
> > bloodhounds.

> Perhaps a better analogy can be found.  Arena Football seems to have a
> negative connotation in my mind.

Mine too. It's a sport that was created to fit a confined space, much like 
indoor soccer. Somewhat artificial, though equally athletic. It is 
interesting, though, that bike racing tends to be *more* difficult on short 
courses, while football and Real Football (TM) become a little easier.


> Let's try:       Road Racing is to NASCAR on a super-speedway as
>                  Criterium Racing is to NASCAR on the Short Track

Sure. Or short-course speed-skating.


> Criterium racing has been around for many years.

True, but that's of no consequence.


> The criteriums after the Tour de France provide mega dollars ($$$,$$$.00)
> to the top riders.

And lots of excitement for the fans as well.


> Crit racing is a different style of racing, no better no worse than road
> racing.

It's less safe.


> Try it you will (might) like it.

I have tried it. I continue to try it. I continue to fail because my 
instincts for self-preservation always seem to win out over my desire to 
reach that corner before the yahoo next to me.


> An admitted Crit Lover.

A strong road race partisan. By the way, I do believe in the compromise -
ciruit races on moderate-length courses. Even the World's is a circuit
race, though on a long course. 2 and 3-mile courses provide plenty of
action for spectators who need it, and distinctly reduced chances of
crashing for the riders.


> p.s. this is not intended to be a flame.

Not taken as one.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: cnolan@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Nissan Classic:  Fourth stage result.
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:45:30 GMT

All change at the top today.  Patrick's Hill had it's expected effect on the
leader board.  After an early break by Peter Pieters, who built up a lead of 15
mins, a group of three, including Andy Bishop (Mot) and Rob Harmeling (TVM),
led the bunch into Cork for the first of three laps around the finishing
circuit.  This group was quickly swallowed as the strong men overcame the
severity of the hill and after two laps a group of seven had alead of 20 secs. 
This included Anderson, Roche, Alcala, LeBlanc (Cas) and Baldato (GB-MG). 
This five man group then pulled away and contested the final sprint which saw 
Alcala giving Anderson a very good run for his money. Anderson won followed by
Alcala with Baldato third, Roche fourth and Le Blanc fifth.  The bunch came in
over ?? secs later.  Anderson's total of Nissan wins is now six, one less than
Vandeaerden.

The KOM contest saw Breukink and Roche slugging it out all day, but Roche's
presence in the lead group saw him gain an advantage over Breukink as two
ascents of Pat's Hill counted in the KOM.

Anderson now has the Yellow jersey and should be expected to hold on to it
'till the finish tomorrow in Dublin.  Anderson's win was quite popular in Cork
as Motorola are one of the big employers in the area.

G.C.
1, Anderson
2, Alcala	+ 9

KOM
1, Roche
2, Breukink

Sprints
1, Redant

Points
1, Nelissen

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		Conor Nolan	(cnolan@tcd.ie)
	Microelectronics Dept. Trinity College, Dublin.  IRELAND.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Collegiate potential (was: Re: Report from USCF delegates meeting)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:03:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom 

In article <29SEP92.01202321@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>
>Other events:  There was lots of talk about what could be done to 
>help get juniors into the sport.  I found this rather frustrating
>as the real source for new talent is currently college programs.
>No talk was made of that though.  Also there was no talk about
>women's racing.  
>
>Paul Stek

Paul,

Having been the president of 3 collegiate cycling teams, and coach of
more than 1 collegiate national champion, I would have to disagree
with you that collegiate racing is the source of much racing talent.
The vast majority of collegiate riders, even the very successful ones,
do not continue to race seriously once they graduate.  It could have
something to do with career opportunities but, while a good number of
potentially great riders do develop under the collegiate program, few
ever take it from there to become great USCF riders.

Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: calvin@lysator.liu.se (Chris Maluszynski)
Subject: computers and bar ends for a MTB
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:25:31 GMT

Hey folks,

I'm soon gonna be getting a new MTB.  And I want to get a cyclecomputer for it.
Is the Cateye Mity II any good?  Are there any other ones that are beter?
I'm not intrested in cadence, but I'd like it to be waterproof and pretty tough so it wont explode into a million pieces when I crash.

Also, I want to get a pair of bar ends for my new bike. Are there bar ends that are better than others? The only ones I've heard of are Onja.  And a pair of those is around $80 here in Sweden. 

Any recommendations and US prices are welcome as well on the computer as on the bar ends.

Thanks, 

	-Chris

PS please reply by mail. DS
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Cateye Micro average speed algorithm?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:03:17 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct05.063652.10630@microsoft.com> davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn) writes:

>>Sequenences such as the following are quite common:
>>15.3 15.7 15.5 15.9 15.8 etc. 
>> 
>>I too would like to know what is going on.
> 
>I've always just assumed that they got their math chips out of 
>boxes of CrackerJacks.

 I guess the chip(s) in the old Cateye Solar is different since I've only
encountered a similar problem to the above when I had a damaged wire. After
finding the frayed section of wire and repairing it the problem ceased.

 I think the problem with the Micro is different though since it seems to be
the norm among its users.

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From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Waxing or Oiling a chain?
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:11:59 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

Oh No!!  Not this thread again!!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Cateye Micro average speed algorithm?
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:06:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.132907.2189@bvc.edu>
blodgett@bvc.edu writes:
 
>I've seen some pretty weird average speeds momentarily appear on the display of
>my Cateye Micro. For example, I've seen the average jump from 17.1 to 18.3
>then back to 17.3 all in a matter of 10-15 seconds or so. This morning the
>average momentarily appeared as 210.3 then immediately jumped back to normal
>range. Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon?
>I don't really have reason to doubt the overall accuracy of the Micro because
>the mph, distance, elapsed time, and cadence readings correspond with
>readings on the cyclometers of the people I ride with. I have concluded,
>perhaps erroneously, that the anomaly arises from the algorithm used to
>compute average speed.
 
My wife and I have had similar experiences.  When we time trial the tandem
in the local, very informal races, we all start our clocks together and
then send oursleves off at the prescribed times.  This means that our
Cateye has several minutes of sitting around before we start.  After we
start, my wife--bored with just pedalling--plays with the Cateye and gives
reports on its output.  Sequenences such as the following are quite common:
15.3 15.7 15.5 15.9 15.8 etc. (This is not actual data...I don't have any
handy, but it illustrates the up, down a little, up, down a little type
thing that goes on.)  All the time, we are cruising along at 24-25 mph,
so the drops in average speed are NOT because our true average went down.
 
I too would like to know what is going on.
From: junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Strange groupo discovered, seeking info...
Keywords: groupo, components
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:31:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: rsg1.1992Sep29.193132.8667
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA

In article <1992Sep28.193058.542@doug.cae.wisc.edu> brianh@hprisc-29.cae.wisc.edu (Brian Huilman) writes:
>
>	My question:  does anybody know anything about Zeus components?
>
Zeus components were manyfactured in Spain and were designed to be compatible
with Campy Record and N Record components - at least to the extent that
the chain rings fit Camply cranks, etc. I used to get a British catalog
from an outfil call "Ron Kitchings" (I think that's the name) that 
carried all the Zeus components. I got the impression that due to some
import tax situation it was cheaper to import the Spanish Zeus bike
parts than Italian Campy parts in Britain. Zeus even mad a 5-speed alloy
sprocket/freewheel set, as I recall.

     cheers -- John
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Bottom bracket infernal eternal clicking!
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 09:23:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa


I've got a Univega Team Alpina with XT parts, and the original XT bottom
bracket.  I like the bike and all that, but the (@#$@ BB keeps coming
loose and clicking again.  So I readjust and all's well for awhile. Not
a very long while, tho.

I'm a big guy, about 260, 6'2".  The bike only has about 300 miles on it.
But I've adjusted the BB about 4 times now.

So the question is, why does my BB seem to keep coming loose?  Or am I just
pounding the pedals too hard, weightwise?  Or am I not tightening the adj
cup enough?  (I tighten until I can't induce a click by pushing down on 
alternating sides) 

Whaddya think?

  -swb-  (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Alt. Quick Release
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:40:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92276.114036TOM
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

The name of the company for the quick release alt. is Innovation in Cycling,
Inc.  1920 E Silverlake #201, Tucson, AZ 85713 ph (602) 798-1905.  This is
the same company who makes Superflate, the injector unit that uses standard
CO-2 instead of the threaded.
From: Rodger_Madison@rand.ORG (Rodger Madison)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Helmets - keeping a cool head
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:21:56 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

I suspect the reason the original post suggested a
matte black helment was the this is a more
efficient radiator of heat than white (a closer
approximation to an ideal black body).  Ignoring
heat absorbed from sunlight this would be a good
solution.  Heat generated by absorbed sunlight may
or may not be significant in relation to heat
generated from inside the helmet.  I suppose one
or more of the helmet makers may have done studies
on this topic.  I suspect it is not highly
significant since some helmets have black stripe
and many are colored so they will absorb in a
least part of the spectrum.

     Rodger

In article <87930001@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, eugene@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Eugene Taskovich) writes:
> In rec.bicycles.tech, dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove) writes:
> > Silver or white??
> > [stuff deleted]
> > Anyway, surely it'd be better to paint the helmet matt black, thus increasing
> > [stuff deleted]
> [more stuff deleted]
> your head.  Therefore the amount of cooling effect the air has on your
> head is lessened by a greater amount than if you had a light colored 
> helmet.  Flat black would be worse than a glossy black.  How significant 
> the difference in color is, I do not know.  A black car tends
> [more stuff deleted]
> 
> But I would guess the main cooling effect, by a great margin, is the air
> flowing through the helmet cooling your head. 
> 
I agree with this.
> 
> Eugene Taskovich
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: jlee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Chee-Yoon Lee)
Subject: Locking QR's
Followup-To: Preventing Quick Release Theft
Keywords: Theft
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 00:27:35 GMT

I read in a recent mtb magazine that Specialized has come up with a quick
release skewer that has a built in keyhole and lock.  Seems like a beautiful
idea, since it does away with any extra accessories.  Just stick in the
key and lock up.  I'm not sure how far along the development stages they
were on this, so it could still be a while before we see it on the market.

Joe
jlee@stanford.leland.edu
Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Stanford Graduate School
From: dobrien@sybase.com (Dave O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Recumbents, Anyone?
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:27:00 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

Does anyone in this here conference ride (or know anything about)
recumbent bicycles? You know, the long weird laid-back bikes with the
lawn-chair seats.
I'm looking at buying a new bike in a few months (OK, OK, next May, when
the ice melts in Toronto), and after trying another guy's home-made
chopper-style bike, I'm in lust. Anyone know anything about them? Know a
friend who knows anything about them?
I've got literature from a bunch of manufacturers, but I'm really looking
for real-life experiences and advice (about the bike, that is).

Thanks in advance,
Dave O'Brien (dobrien@sybase.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Chain Cleaners
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:36:23 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of casseres@apple.com (David Casseres):
>
> [text deleted]
>I've thought about a different approach: take the chain off, put it in a
>sealed unbreakable container with (non-flammable) solvent, and stick the
>container in the trunk of the family car.  Put another chain on the bike
>while the one in the trunk gets clean from the vibrations and sloshes of
>being driven around in the car.

What about finding a sealed unbreakable bottle that fits in the water
bottle cage. Then you could put a new chain on your MTB and the the old
on with you when out riding the worst trail you can find. Much better
than riding a car just to clean your chain ;-)

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* I went back to my mother,           * Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes           *
* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
* She said, "I know how it feels son, * The Norwegian Institute of Tech.   *
* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics   *
*       - The Who, Quadrophenia       * e-mail: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no  *
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Avocet Cyclometer
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Netcom 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:05:18 GMT


I though Avocet had taken care of their quality control problems a
while back but recent experience makes me think otherwise.  First my
model 40 develops display problems after 16K mi.  So I took it in for
an exchange and the first one we pull off the shelf stops working as
soon as it clicks into the mount.  The second one seems to work and I
left with it but it turns out to work fine only up to about 35 mph!
Don't get me wrong, I think the Avocet design is the best (except for
the buttons activating on _release_).  What exactly is the production
environment at Avocet that would cause such radically poor quality
control?

Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: jdg41088@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Pickaxe)
Subject: Anti-lock brakes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:12:16 GMT

Would anti-lock brakes be possible on a bike? I know it wouldn't work in the
same way as a car, but what about a mechanical system that would apply less
pressure as the wheel slowed down. that way if a wheel is about to skid, the
brake would release just enough pressure to allow it to keep turning.

sounds good in theory but is it possible to do (weight/size) and is it even
worth is to try?

-- 
| Joe Gross          |  Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering |
| pickaxe@uiuc.edu   |  University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign        |
| (217) 328-4331     |  "Society is such a terrible waste of people"      |
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: zsong@ucs.indiana.edu (ZHENG SONG)
Subject: Re: Bent skewers...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:55:31 GMT

In article <168644BFE.RONEAL@lexmark.com> RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal) writes:
>From: RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal)
>Subject: Re: Bent skewers...
>Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 10:24:10 GMT
>In article <19518eINNqf4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>
>gerhard@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Chris Gerhard - Sun U.K.) writes:
> 
>>
>>If you are referring to the quick release squewer. Then the real problem
>>is likely to be a bent or broken axle.  I would not recommend trying to straighten an axle for 2 reasons:
>>
>>1)      You will almost certainly weaken the axle so it may break.
>>
>>2)      If the axle is not exactly straight then the wheel bearings will
>>        not run true. Which will in a short time cause excessive wear to
>>        the ball bearings and cones.
>>
>>If I was you I would take a long look at the axle and if it is
>>bent or broken replace it.
>>
>>hope that helps.
> 
>Well, taking things down further last night revealed a broken axle, which
>explains quite a few things.  Back to the shop... thanks for all the tips and
>responses...
> 
>Randy
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: epstein@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: Cateye Micro average speed algorithm?
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:44:16 GMT

In <1687610CA3.EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.132907.2189@bvc.edu>
>blodgett@bvc.edu writes:

[anecdotes of weird behavior from Cateye Micro average speed numbers]

Although I can't remember any specifics right now, I too have noticed
oddities like this from the average speed numbers.

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Waxing or Oiling a chain?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:47:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <5337@gold.gvg.tek.com> jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
>P.S. I noticed a clever do-dad in one of the cycling rags recently.
>It's basically a bar with a hole in one end, and set of holes in the
>other end.  You hold it up to the chain (still on the bike) and place
>a rivet in the hole.  Now by examining which hole lines up with a
>rivet on the other end, you can estimate chain stretch.
>
>Probably costs a fortune.

I saw one of these for $10 in a bike shop a while back.  Given that it's
your basic $.59 metal ruler with a hook riveted on, someone's making a pretty
good markup on the thing (I guess they'd better given the number they'll sell.)

It had three or four holes at the end opposite the hook, each a tiny bit
farther from the hook.  You line one of the chain's pins up with one of the
holes, and then look next to the hole to be told what shape the chain is in.
The lables were "new", "good", "worn" and "discard" -- or something along
those lines.  No indication of how much stretch was being considered "good"
was given, and there were no instructions.  You could measure it, of course,
and if the thing were made by Shimano you'd probably find that they didn't
tell you to replace the chain until it had at least 1/2" of stretch in it.

That way you'd save money on chains.
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From: broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu (Bill Broadley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Why no cantilevers on racing bikes?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:49:14 GMT
Reply-To: broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I am surprised that nobody mentioned frame stress.

Cantilevers effectively use the frame as part of the brake.

The harder you squeeze the brake the more it tries to spread the frame,
this is less a problem for MTB because the frame/fork is stronger
for other reasons.  

With roadbike+sidepulls none of the force to squeeze the rim comes from
spreading the frame.  So a lightweight road fork doesn't have to be
designed to take the spreading forces of the brake lever.

Now whether any of these forces are big enough to cause problems is up
for debate, I just notices alot of MTB frames seems to have optimized the
strength of the frame near the cantilever mounts.  I.e. bigger tubes,
and bridges for brakes.  

So the weight of the frame + sidepulls could theoretically be smaller
then the weight of a strengthened frame+cantilevers.

Don't forget that the cantilever mounts weight more then drilling a hole
in the frame, and that the stress of sidepulls in the front fork is much
higher/stronger then the cantilever stress places lower in the fork blades
(a weaker place).



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