HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Islamic Information & News Network: Info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:23:00 GMT

>From: abbasa@ul.ie
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Subject: Re: Islamic Information & News Network: Info
>Date: 14 Sep 92 17:21:24 GMT


>Muslim World News is covering news regarding Muslims in very
>good way. It would have been better to strengthen and expand this agency
>rather making another" Dairh inch ki Masjid".  Muslim would
>never learn a lessom from the history. Today, Muslims are suffering
>because of divisions, groupings, and sects.  Mr. Mughal, you probably
>want to increase another group. Thank you very much.

     ASMK Asad, 

     	You have indeed raised a very good point for clarification. I am 
assuming you are referring to "Islamic World News." I agree they are doing 
a very good job and we should help them in every way. IMNET & IINN(previously
MNN) were conceived roughly at the same time. We are not making any 
"dairh inch ki Masjid" , we are not competing against each other rather we 
are supporting each other. We send also them news we collect,they distribute 
their news to us which we include as part of our newsletter.

        Please note, two forums are separate entities with similar goals but
difference in emphasis. Our distribution is only by subscription and many of
our readers don't have USENET access where IMNET primarily posts. News is only
a part of IINN activities, rest of our newsletter discusses issues relating
to the religion, reference books, community messages and much more. Hence, 
both forums complement each other and it makes sense for their co-existence
along with some other ones.

       This is just a quick overview, I hope it clarifies some queries.

       Wassalaam,

          Asim Mughal
           Spokesman
       Islamic Information
         & News Network

[Standard Disclaimer]

>regards,

>Asad.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion & Path of God
Summary: The real education 
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:01:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.162336.20721@twg.com>, khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan) writes:
> This article is being posted for a friend.  Please respond to 
> khan@davidsys.com:
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                    PERSONAL IDENTITY & PATH OF GOD:
>                    -------------------------------
> 
>   Once a person decides to embark on the path of Allah swt,
> he is faced with the challenge of shedding personal identity.

stuff deleted.

> 
>   The real education, one that shatters all idols,
> is from Islam.
> 
>                   Salam alaikum,
> 
>                                     Khalid Khan


The real education shatters nothing like that. 
Just it shatters ignorance, bigotry, narrow-mindedness.
It consider all humans as humans, not muslims, not christians,
not jews. It does not dicriminate on the basis of sex, and color
of skin also.

It has taken thousands of years for few individuals to learn
that, it will take thousands more before, all of us can be
educated like that.

We have to rise above, our stupid little selfs and see others
in a new light. We need to appreciate the one-ness in all humans.
We need to guide our life to strive for peace and personal fulfilment
of ALL humans. 

May be then we can survive long enough to discover the real God,
which is not found in books, which is also not found in any
sayings of any prophets, its is definately not found in mosques
and churches. It is found in all of us. Allama Iqbal[pbuh] talked
about such gods a long time ago. 

May your gods show you the path of real education.

regards,

-Naveed

PS: Have you EVER  hugged a jew/christian/no-muslim  ? 
    Have you EVER loved others for what they are and NOT for
      you want them to be ?
    Have you truely believed that every human is equal ?
From: ukankgs@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Looking for Kamran in USC, from UET.
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:06:57 CDT
Organization: Whollllly Mackeral

I am looking for Muhammad Kamran in USC. He is new arrival from UET
this fall in MSEE program.
                                                      Saif Ullah
                                                   913-832-8602
                                                  sullah@volta.ece.ukans.edu
                                                  University of Kansas
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Cheapest Air Fare to Karachi from N.Y ?
Summary: Air Fare
Keywords: Air Fare
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:08:22 GMT



  Hello World,
	      I am planning to travel to Pakistan from N.Y sometime in
  the mid November. Any ideas where can I get the cheapest tickets from ?
  Any help will be greatly appreciated.

  Thanx in advance.


Mubashir.
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:48:22 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep6.035153.20010@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>In article <Bu4v8o.FrH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>
>|> story about hoors while the Sufis abhorred the sexual references, as pointed
>|> out by you. For a hypothetical heavan, the hypothetical gift in the form of
>|> a hoor as an incentive for a heterosexual male is hardly a good motivation,
>     ^^^^^
>
>What is `hoor' ?
>
>regards,
>--   
>   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
>    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
>   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
>  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
>_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.


Hoors are pure virgins who would serve the men in Heavan as a reward for
living a pious clean life on Earth. Heavan is supposed to be a beautiful
place full of hoors. Pious men would get hoors and what pious women would get,
that cannotbe said for sure, some say they will get their husbands. 
I think providing them with hooras is a fair deal. Some religious people say 
that these relationships will not be sexual and maybe one would hear a hoor say
to a maulana sahib "let's just be friends" :) if the latter went just a bit
overboard with his fingers. :)

Naveed[on a highway to hell?, most definitely] Siraj
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Rain Releif Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:00:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, American, Indian, Pakistani or any nationality.

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PSAI Email Directory, 6th edition, Sept 7,92.
From: S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:05:11 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c



Dear Bilal A Bhutta,
Aslam-o-Alaikoom,
Thankyou very much for your time and devotion for preparing and updating
PSAI Email list. (Jizakallah).
Regards
Ghazanfar
Massey University
New Zealand.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:25:42 GMT

aam9n@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Ali Ahmad Minai) writes:

>I think Zafar makes an excellent point here. We should stop all this talk of
>Islam and sex in the same breath (well, the same electronic stream), and refer
>only to "male or female heavenly partners with large eyes" (how large, 
>one might be tempted to ask, but the pious steer clear of such temptation).
>At the risk of a little impiety, though, one might speculate that the hoors
>mentioned in Zafar's article (and the Quran, it seems) are a race of nocturnal
>aliens. I have always been intrigued by the fact that a significant proportion
>of alien races portrayed in pop SF have large eyes. Perhaps this is the
>result of an ancestral memory dating back to pre-OS (OS=Original Sin) days,

Array, Ali Bhai, apkay sarcasm may millawat hogaya: OS is a Christian concept.
:-)

>when Adam and Eve dwelt among the gentle, large-eyed folk of Hoorworld.
>Whatever the merit of such speculation, though, one thing is clear. NO SEX!
>OK? And, no, the hoors are NOT true hermaphrodites; that would be too
>convenient. As pointed out in the article above, the word hoor can refer
>to either male or female but not both. Never both. Is that clear? Be
>respectful! Respect your elders! Respect hoors! Or move to soc.culture.iranian.

>Ali Minai

-hd
Usual apologies for poor Airdoo above and Poonjaabi below.  :-)
"rall mill kay khoob vigaariyay  sadday pyar di kayd raqeeban nay
kuch toun vi akkiyan pair liyan  kuch maari jhok naseeban nay"
(Again, make no assumptions. These are just lyrics from a song. :-))
From: aza@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Asad Aziz)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:12:57 GMT
Subject: Re: desi gif's ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan



	Hi,
		I too would like to get these gif images, unfortunately,
	my machine does not recognize the name of 'z.eecs.umich.edu' and
	needs the full IP address. Would someone post the IP address for 
	this machine so that I too can enjoy these images. 

	The IP address of the form '22.3.345.109' can easily be obtained 
	by logging on and executing grep 'machinename' /etc/hosts. 

	
	thanks
	asad aziz
	(pakman@hppakman.fc.hp.com)
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Rs.5000 for email link to Pakistan ??? Whew
Summary: email is expensive
Keywords: email is expensive
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:26:04 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University


  Assalam u Alaikum,
		    following questions are directed to Imran Anwar and Ashar
  Nisar and basically anyone else who might have any information about it.
  Now I was lead to believe that it was common knowledge that the recent email
  link to Lahore ( Karachi in progress ) was free of ANY charge.
    As I recall from a post from Imran Anwar (or was it Ashar Nisar) that the
  email link was free for public access. People could send email to and from 
  Pakistan to any destination on internet and they were doing it so that people
  could educate their families about the new technolgy back home.
  
   Maybe I have a WEAK memory and anyone of you guys could give a blow on my
  head and bring me back to my senses. 

  However I and lots of my friends have sent modems back home and have them 
  set up and ready to go. Now we hear that its gonna cost Rs.5000 per 300 pages
  of email/data you send.

   Maybe all you guys and your families are RICH and can afford that but an
  average student like me who alreday is having hard time paying his tuition
  finds Rs5000 a bit too steep. Its simply outrageous.

  Now I understand that there are COSTS involved in setting the whole thing up
   but I was given an impression that those costs could be covered by        
   institutions and commercial companies who subscribe to the service.

 I am curious 

Mubashir.
 
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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Date: 6 Sep 1992 03:51:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

In article <Bu4v8o.FrH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:

|> story about hoors while the Sufis abhorred the sexual references, as pointed
|> out by you. For a hypothetical heavan, the hypothetical gift in the form of
|> a hoor as an incentive for a heterosexual male is hardly a good motivation,
     ^^^^^

What is `hoor' ?

regards,
--   
   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Subject: Arabic/Urdu wordprocessor
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.114152.7914@siesoft.co.uk> arshad@siesoft.co.uk (Arshad Mahmood) writes:
>
>I am looking for a public domain/shareware version of an urdu wordprocessor
>for IBM PC.  Possibility of having English characters within the Urdu text is
>desireble. Do you know of such a wordprocessor ? Is it available by ftp ? If
>yes then please email me the site name and the directory. If it is not
>available by ftp then are you willing to email me this in chunks ? (archive,
>compress,uuencode and then split it in 60K chunks).
>
I need an urdu or arabic word processor or something like Printshop ?

Thanks in advance,
-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Email link to Karachi ?
Keywords: email
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:24:17 GMT

In article <mac1.716055019@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>
>
>  Hello World,
>	      Just needed to know if the email link to Karachi has 
>  established by now.
> 
>  Any info  ????????????????????
>
>
> Thanx.
>
>Mubashir.
>


Alhamdolillah, I have taken possession of the office in Karachi.  As you 
know the rains have been so bad that the phone deptt has been unable to
do anything except try to keep service up, thus delayuing the installation
of our lines.  However, the promised date is 9/15.  Let us see.

Lahore, by the grace of Allah, is doing great and we have people dialling
in from as far as Islamabad (usually after 11.30 pm) and someone has also
been authorised by us to set up a uucp host in Sialkot for local computer
and business users.

Ashar Nisar reached Lahore a few hours ago.  Among other things I have sent
with him in this trip are some WorldBlazer modems.  We have found that
even having a dedicated line with PT&T is not enough and we still should have
the fallback capability of dial up.  eg the dedicated conection was 
"down" for SEVERAL WEEKS, came back on line earlier this month, and 
"is being checked for trouble" right now :-(

Therefore, in such periods we continue to use dialup and other options.

For those of you from Lahore the number to call by your friends and family
is 858500.  The Karachi number is going to be 455-????.

I hope that this information will be useful to you in your plans.

In the meantime, I shall be leaving this Columbia account.  Please send
email here for only a few more days.  A new address will be posted soon.

In the meantime

imran@imran.pk
imran@imran.ar.pk
73757.3656@compuserve.com

remain my valid addresses too.

Sincerely,



Imran Anwar
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:53:46 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep6.212042.22085@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>In article <Bu56sn.KF7@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep6.035153.20010@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>|> >|> out by you. For a hypothetical heavan, the hypothetical gift in the form of
>|> >|> a hoor as an incentive for a heterosexual male is hardly a good motivation,
>|> >     ^^^^^
>|> >What is `hoor' ?
>
>|> Hoors are pure virgins who would serve the men in Heavan as a reward for`
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> living a pious clean life on Earth. 
>
>What is the difference between `PURE virgins' and `IMPURE virgins' ? ;-)
>

A virgin with an attitude is an impure virgin! 

:)


you'r welcome Gopal :)


Naveed Siraj


>regards,
>--   
>   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
>    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
>   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
>  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
>_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:34:16 GMT


>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"
>
>Charter:
>This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub continent
>that have a interest in the Urdu Language and its rich poetry collections.

NOoooooooooooo! 

It is *NOT* required as soc.culture.pakistan is already there. The cultural
news groups are proper place to discuss literature. Moreover, Urdu hardly
has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to 
English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.

What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally 
retarded neurotic sexophiles who could not see any thing beyond wine and 
woman. What is there to discuss about such rubbish in a separate news group?

Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. Other than a single
"Gazal" style borrowed from Persian what is there in Urdus so called 
Poetry? Other than talking about *women and women and women* what does it 
talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature 
in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).

>Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.
>
>Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts within
>the subcontinent

Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and 
Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions 
of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of 
traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
body covering clothes or Purdah. 

Forget it. If you need to discuss the poetry. You can discuss on SCP or SCI.

B. Kumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nsiddiqi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nadeem Siddiqi)
Subject: testing for the first post
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:47:50 GMT


hello



just testing



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NadeemS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jaseemud@eecg.toronto.edu (Muhammad Jaseemuddin)
Subject: Re: B. Kumar's posting on urdu literature
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:34:39 GMT


> has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
> it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to 
> English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.

You are so called very objective, then which scale did you use to come
up with the above measure.

> What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
> those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
> till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally 

It seems that you have no knowledge about Urdu poetry and literature per
se, or as a matter of fact you don't know anything about literature. In
urdu literature 'Mahboob' (beloved) carries different meaning in
different context. Its you who always finds a woman in the word
'Mahboob'. Similarly, wine is a symbol. If you have any knowledge about
literature than you must know that Khayyam, a well recognised persian
poet, used wine as a symbol. 

> Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. 

Do you know what is content and style in poetry? If one has an iota of
knowledge of literature than one can not deny the styles of different
urdu poets, such as Ghalib, Iqbal, and Faiz. I cited these names
intentionally to cover different styles and evolution of urdu poetry.

> talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature 
> in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
> insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).

Do you want to talk about a language and its liteature or political
contoversies?

> Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
> percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and 
> Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions 
> of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of 
> traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
> body covering clothes or Purdah. 

The problem with you is on one side you pretend to be an objective and
rational person. And on the other side your posting contains a hell lot
of rubbish 'objective opinions'.

When you don't know anything about the subject you are dealing with then
don't say anything about it. Lack of knowledge plus biased opinion is
disastarous for any piece of work. On the basis of your biased opinions
(which is an excellent example of subjectivity) you are trying to pass
judgement about a language and its literary values. I must say that
anything which comes out of this process is simply a joke, even a joke
without any literary value.

> B. Kumar


--- M. Jaseemuddin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan