HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Contact Notes
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:42:45 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering

In article <1992Dec20.193916.27667@eskimo.com> nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.200454.9746@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) writes:
>
>> It is highly likely that most ET visitors are here for our benefit.
>
>     Jeff, do you mind if I ask on what do you base that assertion?
>
>     The few people I've been able to communicate with have not come away from
>their experiences with that interpretation.
>
>     If you look at human history, for example what happened when Europeans
>first came to the Americas and started interacting with the natives here, it
>is evident that whenever a technologically more advanced civilization here
>has encountered a less advanced civilization, it was not for the less advanced
>civilizations benefit.
>
>     Even when the intent was to benefit the less advanced civilization, i.e.,
>the missionaries that sought to save their souls by converting them to their
>religious beliefs, destruction still resulted.
>
>     I would like to know otherwise, that is to say that you are right, but so
>far I have not been able to talk to anyone who has had a positive first hand
>experience.  (If there is someone out there that has, I would like to hear
>from you).

It is hard to say this without sounding snarly and arrogant...BUT if there are
aliens here then the result would most likely be bewilderment. It seems rather
doubtful that it would be as simple "they are here for our good" or the other
assumption "they are here to harm us" or even "they have good intentions but
it will all go awry."  Most likely the result of initial encounter and probably
be mainly confusion. I suspect that it would take a long time even some
meaningul dialogue could take place.  Much less anything that would come close
to colonization or something like that. Despite the guilt trip we sort of
have over the deeds and/or misdeeds of Christoper Columbus. it is doubtful
that contact will happen anything like that. 

Now it is curious that this is exactly what seems to be happening,
but the "plain old" human mind can produce things that are pretty
bewildering and strange, no aliens required, but is hard to get
phantasms to leave physical evidence as seems to be the case with many
UFO sightings. But there could be other explanations of all this stuff
tto, somehow I doubt that life in other parts of the universe is arranged
around Star Trek principles. How to even communicate with it will be an
interesting task. It is an open question whether even matematical principles
are good enuff to communicate with putative alien intelligences. Such
attempted artificial languages such as LINCOS seem to be steps in the
right direction, even if they are still priative and very culture bound.
Even the question of how one would communicate with an alien culture
is a very difficult and intersting question.


			Be Seeing You,
			   Steve

reply:chroma@toad.com
From: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:41:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Sad but true: this really has to a moderated group.  It reminds me
of gradeschool, where a teacher would give the kids quite a bit of
rope until the "bad apples" hung the rest of the class.

There seems to be quite a group of people ready to jump ship (me
among them).  Maybe we should just go find our own sandbox to play
in.
-- 
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:45:32 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <72389@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Folks: I wouldn't recommend that you all go to sleep too soundly
> yet. The battle is not won yet.
> John Winston.

This idiot's replies have all the ingenuity of a C- AI class project. Winston's
ramblings would probably make a decent random number generator.

It is time to moderate this group to get this shit out the group. He
contributes *nothing* except weird cryptic messages that mean nothing to
anyone. I used to enjoy this group earlier this year.

Just today this idiot has posted over 15 2 or 3 line posts of meaningless
drivel.

-Garrett
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Newsgroup
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:13:14 GMT
Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article ??? <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> I too propose that a moderated newsgroup be formed.  It seems that
> John Winston gets a kick out of annoying people.  It has also been
> proposed that we just ignore him.  This obviously hasn't worked since
> many people are still publicly responded to his net posts.  So let's
> form a new MODERATED newsgroup.
> Ethan Haslett

I don't understand this.  Would you form a moderated newsgroup so that John
Winston couldn't post anymore?

I think that this group is just the right place for people like John and
people who like to read his posts.  If you don't want to read his posts,
add him to your kill file or stop reading this group.  After that we all
are happy.

-- 
    Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
    Helsinki, Finland, EC?      Markka is floating...  1 USD = 5.1 FIM
From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Date: 3 Jan 1993 22:04:13 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu

In article <u65HwB1w165w@dorsai.com> idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington) writes:
>Absolutely!  Moderation is the answer!

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.  Moderation in the
pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Oh... sorry... I just dropped in a time warp from the 1964 Republican
National Convention... I thought you were Barry Goldwater for a
moment.

Zzzzzzzzziiiiiiipppppp.  Beep.

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Living alone is living in perpetual irony and thinking, more and more
frequently, Why not."   - Joyce Carol Oates, "The Boyfriend"
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9421 alt.conspiracy:13413 sci.skeptic:21703
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 06:47:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <15231.2b3bb93c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>

Dear One and All: I believe that you will find that the Great And
Noble Kibo understands me quite well.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: John Winston and his unbelievable load of crap
Summary: John Winston
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164211.17013@Cadence.COM>, jdm@Cadence.COM (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>   You cannot make Mr. Winston go away. If you don't like his banter the
> most effective expression of that opinion is to deprive him of his
> audience. If you enjoy his essays continue to comment in a public manner
> and he will be encouraged to continue. 

     I don't want Mr. Winston to go away.  I enjoy his posts.  Even if you
assume everything he posts is pure fiction, it is good fiction.  

     If everything he says is fictional, and I don't believe that it is, then
he has a great imagination and at least helps me to consider the possibilities
of some of the things that might be in this vast universe.

     We don't know how common intelligent life is throughout the universe.  We
do not have a complete absolute understanding of the laws of physics and thus
we can not say with absolute authority what is possible and what is not.

     I find John's posts fascinating in that it at least allows one to think
about some of the things which might be possible that one might not have 
thought about otherwise.

     Don't have such a closed mind!  And if you can't comprehend or enjoy the
material, at least allow it's existance for those who can.
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: QUESTION: This Group
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:31:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I was under the impression that this group existed to discuss UFO's.  I
have never understood why people who don't particularly find UFO's a
reality feel it necessary to crash in and clutter up the group with their
drivel.  It's annoying and it detracts from the real reason this group
exists: to SERIOUSLY discuss UFO's.  

Why do people like Winston feel it necessary to do this?

******************************************************************************
Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
Apple's)
athos@apple.com
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
******************************************************************************
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:9409 alt.conspiracy:13404 sci.skeptic:21694
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: 25 Dec 1992 17:34:24 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <72389@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: I wouldn't recommend that you all go to sleep too soundly
>yet. The battle is not won yet.
>John Winston.

zzzzz-z-zzzzzzz-z-z-z-z-zzzz-z-z-z-z

							spl

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UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
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Zero summer?                 - T.S. Eliot, "Little Gidding"
From: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: TEST MESSAGE
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:21:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 

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From: Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Ozzie UFOs
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:07:02

Are any readers of this group interested in regular postings of 
up-to-date Australian UFO reports?

If so, post a reply. If there's a reasonable response I'll 
organize some regular postings.

Regards,
          Jim Atwell          |  UFO Research (SA) Inc.
                              |  PO Box 281
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From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:01:53 GMT

vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

> Well, I think it is come time to start a moderated Ufology group. Winston
> is scaring away an relevent discussions.
> 
> Does anyone know how to set up a moderated group?
> 
> -Garrett
> 
> 

Absolutely!  Moderation is the answer!
 

Jeff Harrington      
IdEAL ORDER               
idealord@dorsai.com
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Check this out...
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:18:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Ones: Thanks very much. Things couldn't be working out better 
even if I paid you. So thanks again.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,
From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: New Years 1993 Contact in lucid dream?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: al
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:06:54 GMT


I awoke at 6am remembering a very odd lucid dream. I do not usually remember
my dreams and they are not like the one I had today.

I was in "London" yet it was not the London of today or yesterday. It must
have been London of the future. I walked through several neighborhoods. The
architecture was detailed and extraordinary - a City of Gods. More later if
you are interested as I have to respond to a pager from a beautiful woman!
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Check this out...
Summary: Spooks
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.172619.27379@megatek.com>, max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) writes:
> 
>   Well, I suggested a few postings back that maybe our buddy JW
>   was a spook, and guess what happened.... I was e-mailed by a
>   man from the US Army Research Labs, who has never to my knowledge
>   posted in this group, wanting to know *why* it was I thought JW
>   was on the take!  Pretty fishy huh?  Well, whether JW *is* on the
>   take or not is irrelevant.  The effect is the same. I suggested
>   in my last post that people learn to use the kill file and force
>   themselves to ignore JW.  I will reiterate this recommendation:
> 
>     Put JW in your kill file and be done with it. 
> 
>   I *never* read any of his posts any more, and when I accidentally
>   begin to read one which is a *reply* to one of his, I chuck it
>   in a nanosecond. I encourage *all* of you to follow suit and leave
>   this JW in the dust...
> 
>   Cheers!
> -Max
> 


     Who would have more interest in derailing the topic of UFO's and
alien visitors and all by cluttering the group up with personal attacks
than Spooks?  Maybe you're a spook Max?  Maybe I am?  Who knows?

     If you don't like what JW has to say why don't you just SILENTLY put
it in your kill file.  At least he doesn't waste a lot of bandwidth
attacking other users.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Contact Notes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:38:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.200454.9746@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.175639.2141@megatek.com> max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) writes:
>> ...
>>> 
>>> Well, I'll tell you a little story...
>>> 
>>> There was this fairly bright 14 year old that found Jr. High school pretty boring, but he didn't really enjoy math, so that put him in an independant study
>> ...
>>> a very complex puzzle that centers around spirituality. JW has probably read
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> several hundred books on this subject.
>>> 
>>> And then he read JV, and realized that the guy just doesn't get it. And he
>>> wondered if there was a reason for this, outside of just being a myopic 
>>> individual. Is there a hidden agenda there?
>>> 
>>> You be the judge. But for me, the guy ain't even close. He has no appreciation
>>> for sociological insight that sez "if thousands of people tell the same tail,
>>> hard evidence or no, there is something very serious going on that is
>>> most likely just exactly what they think it is". (Abduction)
>>> 
>>> Jeff-
>>>  
>>
>>  So, what does 'hard evidence' have to do with spirituality?  I know my
>>  soul transcends the physical because I *know* it. Not because I can prove
>>  it. BUT, abductions are something more physical.  They are something which
>>  happens here in this time/space continuum and can be measured physically.
>>  Or are you suggesting that aliens and abductions are a spiritual experience
>>  which can be percieved but is not physical, i.e. a 'vision'? Please elaborate.  if abductions are not physical, then we need not investigate anywhere but
>>  our local temple/church/ashram !
>>
>
>No, UFO's are most likely physical in most instances. 

I'm not sure that I follow you. In most sightings? In most abductions?
In all cases? How do you reach that conclusion?

>                                                       But what we can't forget
>is that ultimatley, UFO's lead us back to our most basic philisophical and
>spiritual questions. 

In what way? And which questions are you referring to?

>                      So all data, all experiencial data must be analysed 
>and understood with that basic premis in mind. Most people don't look
>at UFO's that way, and miss the larger picture.

Are you saying that without the proper bias, a proper intrepretation
cannot be made?
 
>It is highly likely that most ET visitors are here for our benefit. (IF
>that is true) then we have to look at what they hope to accomplish for 
>us. And we may want to ID those races that do not share those benign
>intentions...

ID? If by that you mean characterize, has that not already been done?
 
>But I believe that if you don't have these thoughts in mind as you
>look into this subject, it is possible to completely misinterprete
>the entire situation (ala, J. Vallee).

If two interpretations differ, must one be wrong?
 
>Jeff-


Rich

payner@netcom.com
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 16:22:42 EST
From: <BOTGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject:       letter from Sitchin

I was very plesed to have received on Dec. 18, 1992 a letter from Z.Sitchin,
author of "The 12th Planet" and other books, in which he writes,"
    Thank you for your recent letter with enclosures. I was not aware until
    now of this newsletter.
    I shall appreciate receiving the previous as well as future issues.."

Reminder to all who have asked me about the newsletter that I publish.
The subscription period ends Jan 15, 1993, and no new subscriptions will be
accepted for a while, once again.

Thanks for your interest,
Vladislav Botvinnik
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:06:14 GMT

dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:

> In article <15231.2b3bb93c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohi
> Whatsamatta..can't figure out how to use a kill file,eh?
> 
> [sarcasm mode ON]
> 
> Geezz.."Let's moderate this newsgroup..I mean, just because I'm too
> dense to figure out I have options like skipping the offending article
> or using a kill file shouldn't prevent me from calling for a *Moderated*
> newsgroup"
 
Don - Not everyone is running tin or rn.  Many people on InterNet use
Waffle which doesn't have a - kill - capability.  For these people it is 
impossible to tell that its one of Mr. Winston's hoax postings or a 
commentary or whatever!  I find it funny that anyone would believe the 
guy is for real.  I find it amazing that all of the paranoid pro-ufo 
people don't think he's a part of our "ongoing government conspiracy"
;-).  JW is abusing our courtesies as part of the InterNet community and 
effectively stifling commentary and criticism of Ufology methodologies.  


Jeff Harrington      
IdEAL ORDER               
idealord@dorsai.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: markw@atlastele.com (Mark Wattier)
Subject: Radionics
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:25:13 GMT

The Portland (Oregon USA) UFO Contact center has begun a discussion of
radionics. The best definition we could come up with for this is the
application of electronic technology to psychic phenomena.

It is alleged that aliens (Zetas and Pleiadians) communicate telepathically,
sometimes with the aid of some sort of box. 

There is supposedly a 'Heironymous Machine' (sp?) that amplifies dowsing. Is
there anybody out there who is familiar with such a device?

We have a dowser in our group, and we would like to do some experiments.

Keep looking up....
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Check this out...
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:26:19 GMT


  Well, I suggested a few postings back that maybe our buddy JW
  was a spook, and guess what happened.... I was e-mailed by a
  man from the US Army Research Labs, who has never to my knowledge
  posted in this group, wanting to know *why* it was I thought JW
  was on the take!  Pretty fishy huh?  Well, whether JW *is* on the
  take or not is irrelevant.  The effect is the same. I suggested
  in my last post that people learn to use the kill file and force
  themselves to ignore JW.  I will reiterate this recommendation:

    Put JW in your kill file and be done with it. 

  I *never* read any of his posts any more, and when I accidentally
  begin to read one which is a *reply* to one of his, I chuck it
  in a nanosecond. I encourage *all* of you to follow suit and leave
  this JW in the dust...

  Cheers!
-Max
From: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re:Bolivian Encounter Par
Date: 3 Jan 93 15:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371


Dear John_Winston,

JO/*instruments of different size and form, still paralyxzed, I could not speak
JO/*a word, though the men, who ev idently belonged to the flying sauce, did not
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is typo of the month - I laughed so hard, I farted. Keep those
posts coming and never mind the flames; if folk don't want to read
'em, it ain't compulsory.

 Andy ~ london ~ uk                        andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk
                                           notes01@clstr.pnl.ac.uk
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From: "roman andruszko" <roman.andruszko@canrem.com>
Subject: abductions ???
Reply-To: "roman andruszko" <roman.andruszko@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:31:01 EST


I've been reading some few books detailing abductions and the removal of
fetus and sperm from various people. It's understood that this has been
going on for some time now and we're still in the dark to most of it. With
all the unborn babies taken and sperm collected, these aliens have enough
resources to build an army. My question is to what purpose ? Why take ?
Why not ask ?

Any one have some answer, I'd like to hear them.
TTYL

                         
                          Roman Andruszko 
                         
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