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From: tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Nhan Tran)
Subject: Re: TAN: Dropcaps and philosophy of life
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:02:25 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp, Orlando, Fl

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921209135820.384@dopig.uab.edu>,         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU> writes:
> Monte wrote...
> 
> > My philosophy on software that automatically generates dropcaps, and, come 
> > to think of it, on life is like Norm's on The New Yankee Workshop: What 
> > good is it if it can't automate something. And if you have to do it by 
> > hand find a tool that automates it. To heck with sweat.  ;-)
> 
> I still think you, like me, believe that quality often requires a little
> sweat, or do you seriously think Norm gets those perfect corners and
> immaculate mortices on-camera in 30 minutes? :)
> 

The point here is if you know the proper rule for generating a drop cap then
the automate tool will help you speed up the process and make it convenient
for future uses.

Take for example: if I don't know that a drop cap should be properly 
aligned with the cap height of the first line (of text) and the base line of
the last line (of text), then whether I do it manually or automatically, 
it is still done improperly.

On the other hand, if I knew how to generate a drop cap properly, I can set
up a style (take Ventura for example) in which the type face/font size/leading
of the drop cap and body text are chosen in such a way that give me a properly
lay-out drop cap.  After this, to create a paragraph with a Drop Cap just
take a click of the mouse.

Thus, for a person who know what he is doing, automation tool helps. But for 
someone who doesn't know what he is doing, automation won't help at all.

N Tran.
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From:         "NATHAN BRINDLE" <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      EPS

>Why is it when I try to import a graphic in EPS format that it comes
>up as a text box and not a graphic?
>
>
>Jim Charles
>Computer Data Systems Inc.
>Naval Surface Warfare Center
>Crane, Indiana

Jim, just a wild guess, but which tool do you have selected when you try to
place the EPS graphic?  If it's the text tool, the graphic gets placed as
an inline graphic instead of an independent graphic.  You need to have the
pointer tool selected to place an independent graphic.

I don't know if this is the solution but I've placed accidently placed TIFFs
using the text tool and had to grumble and delete them and start over with
the pointer... :)

HTH,
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Subject: Re: HP LJet 4M & FreeHand/PageMaker
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:21:47 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I use my HP LJ 4M almost exclusively with PageMaker 4.2a and FreeHand 3.1 
files, often EPS files created in FreeHand placed into PageMaker in large 
documents (I design and edit publications, including a 36-page magazine).
To date, I am very happy with my 4M - it has not balked at any FreeHand 
graphics or PageMaker files and the only wear I have noticed is on the 
bottom runners of the paper tray because of the constant paper loading due 
to the amount of work I push through it. My paper doesn't curl, either.

The LJ 4M is on a localtalk network, configured with 6 MB RAM, the 
PostScript Level 2, 600 dpi, RISC-based processor, and appletalk.

Later,

TiM
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Reply-To:     Wendy Kahn <ST802237@BROWNVM.BITNET>
From:         Wendy Kahn <ST802237@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TAN: The HP LaserJet 4M

I'm from a daily collegiate newspaper and we currently use an
Apple Laserwriter IIf (with Photograde). We're buying a new printer to
replace an Dataproducts LZR 960.

What I want to know is, Jeff said the HP 4M balks with Freehand 3.1/3.1.1
files. Has anyone tried it with PageMaker 4.2a? Or Word 5.1? (Mac versions)
Is it true that AppleTalk capability is an add-on?

Does anyone have any other suggestions (in the $2-3.5K range)? We'd like
600(+) dpi but I really liked the 4M since its within our budget.
Our other choice would be another IIf, since it since it serves our current
needs but I'd like to upgrade. 8 1/2 x 11 is OK, but 11x 17 is preferable.

If this is too tangential, please mail me at st802237@brownvm.brown.edu.

Thanks.
Wendy Beth Kahn
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Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TAN: Mail for Barry Hansen

To Mr. Hansen,
I second what Jeff Bone said about the HP Laserjet 4 printer. I, too, read
similar articles in PC Week and Mac Week. The articles appeared either this week
or last week. Knowing how much effort you put into customer support and
innovation, there's no doubt you will solve these problems quickly. (Wish your
support for the B and W Deskwriter driver was as good!)

Since people on this list are from all over the world and very experienced, it
would be to your advantage to post your response to Jeff's comments and,
perhaps, to solicit users experiences with your products. The people on this
list can provide very valuable feedback.

Sincerely,

Monte Olsen
Editor
Agricultural Communications
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR
503-737-0812
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:28:01 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Wendy's Concerns about the HP LaserJet 4M

Wendy writes...

> What I want to know is, Jeff said the HP 4M balks with Freehand 3.1/3.1.1
> files. Has anyone tried it with PageMaker 4.2a? Or Word 5.1? (Mac versions)
> Is it true that AppleTalk capability is an add-on?

Careful, Wendy, don't get me into any more hot water.  I merely reported a
compilation of what has been reported in a number of weekly trade rags.  I
suspect the problems are simply from the growing pains of a new printer that
operates on the "bleeding edge" of technology.

There are two versions of the HP LaserJet 4, the standard LaserJet 4 which
comes with parallel and serial connections and does PCL 5; and the LaserJet
4M which comes with AppleTalk and PostScript Level 2 options included in the
$2,995 list price.

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Subject:      TAN: The HP LaserJet 4M

Wendy,

All I can tell you is that I recently bought a 4M and I'm just about as
pleased as punch with it.  It is fast fast fast, the print quality is VERY
close to Lino, it does NOT curl my paper, and Appletalk comes built in.  And I
haven't had any compatibility problems yet, and I print with PM 4.2a and Word
5.1 and Illustrator all the time (but not with Freehand).  I can only highly
recommend it at this stage.
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Subject:      QMS PS-2210 & PM 4.2

     Hi y'all. I have a quick question that maybe someone can help
me out with  I just upgraded our graphics lab to PM 4.2. We output
to an ancient, though able workhorse, of QMS-PS2210. The problem is
that it uses an earlier postscript interpreter than the one
specified by the included PPD for the printer. It usually prints
fine (giving me a warning about the ps), but occassionally
on long documents the mrrgins get messed up, or it prints a blank
page.

     I have the PPD from QMS that came with the printer, but PM
won't recognize it, I'm assuming because it doesn't have the associated
PDX file. I' r re a about editing and creating PDX's in the
manual, but am quite lost. Can anyone out there let me know what
I need to do, whether it change the PM PPD file, or install
the older one from QMS (and how do such)?

    THANKS A MILLION! I can be reached at the bellow e-mail if
anyone can help.

warren corbitt
wacorbitt@vassar.edu

P.S. the interpreter is version 51.0E.
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From:         Jim Charles <JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      EPS

Why is it when I try to import a graphic in EPS format that it comes
up as a text box and not a graphic?


Jim Charles
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Crane, Indiana
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From:         DHULCE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: re: Statistic Fonts For Win 3.1

I recall getting some Math oriented Adobe fonts off of Simtel20, I don't
recall what in particular it had in it, but I think that I recall statisitical
notation fonts.  I'll see if I still have it on my system.

Don R. Hulce
DHULCE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
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Subject: Re: Graphics
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:47:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL (Jim Charles) writes:

>Which is the best format to use for graphics in PM for the mac? I
>have access to a large number of formats.

It depends on what the picture is.  Generally, you want to use the
format that will take up as little room as possible, but still give
you a satisfactory reproduction.

As far as I know, PM/MAC accepts 3 graphics formats: EPS, TIFF, and PICT
(PICT 2 also - which is the color version of PICT).

EPS takes the most amount of space, then TIFF, then PICT.  PM also
accepts Compressed TIFF.

The following graphics packages generate the following formats:

Aldus Freehand - EPS

MacPaint - PICT

MacDraw Pro - PICT and PICT2

Deskpaint and Deskdraw - PICT, PICT2, TIFF and Compressed TIFF


There are others, but I don't use them and I so I can't explain
them.

Basically, the simpler illustrations should be able to be reproduced
in PICT quite nicely, while those with more detail, shades of gray, etc,
would reproduce better in one of the TIFFs or EPS.  I try to avoid EPS
though since it takes up so much room.

Another hint w/ PICT graphics - Rather than importing them, I cut and
paste them into the document.  That way I don't have to save a copy 
of the picture with the document.

PM requires an external copy of graphics to be kept in the same folder
with the document, otherwise, it won't be able to find it and incorporate
it into the document.  This means that the archived document will be
bigger.  However, if you cut and paste the picture into the document,
you can get rid of the original.  Fewer pieces to keep track of.



-- 
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From: reinstat@byron.u.washington.edu (Robert Reinstatler)
Subject: Re: TAN: Who owns the masters?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:02:30 GMT

In article <01GSCH6NBCW296VKJX@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> "Roger Myers 'MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU'" <MYERS@AB.WVNET.EDU> writes:
>
>Drema runs a small DTP shop from our home here in Philippi.  She earns some
>of her profits from DTP work designing brochures, flyers, etc. but also
>a great deal from printing the jobs for clients or having a local print shop
>print them.  (She gets a discount from the print shop)
>
>Drema has lost several jobs in the past due to clients taking home masters to
>proofread and then canceling the printing portion of the job when they
>find that the master can either be run off satisfactorily on their own
>photo copier or cheeper at another print shop.  Also, she finds that many

[lots following deleted]

This problem is best solved with a written contract signed and notarized 
before any work is done beyond the estimate stage.  Drema might be wise to
have an hour or so consultation with a lawyer familiar with contracts to 
determine the wording of the contract.  It should be possible to come up
with a simple agreement that can be used often without having to see a 
lawyer each time, similar to the standard forms available at bookstores for
purchasing or renting a house, for instance.  Nolo Press may even have a
program that can deal with this problem.

Bob Reinstatler    reinstat@u.washington.edu
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Subject: TAN: The HP LaserJet 4M ... No not more banter, info stuff.
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:13:55 GMT
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Good articles in PC Week, Mac Week, et. al. this week regarding problems with
the new HP LaserJet 4 printers.  In summary:

    1)  The new Canon BX engine used in the LaserJet 4 has a different paper
        path than the older SX engines and is prone to an unusual amount of
        paper curl.  HP is looking into it, but at this point recommends not
        to manually duplex with the new engine and to use 24 lb paper.

    2)  Many reports of case problems on the new printer which uses a lighter
        grade plastic case.  Biggest problem appears to be the tray inserts
        and the flip top breaking.  HP acknowledges this problem as well and
        attributes it to early models, although InfoWorld's article stated
        that they had had a similar problem with a model shipped to them in
        the last week.

    3)  In appears that HP's implementation of PostScript Level 2 is not
        solid.  Granted they are using an Adobe licensed technology, but the
        story is that HP tweaked the code to get the best speed with the i960
        controller that they use.  In so doing this has created incompatibili-
        ties with the Apple dict found in Laserwriter driver 7.1.2 and with
        the Aldus dict used by FreeHand 3.1 and 3.11.  For no reason the prin-
        ter will flush even fairly simple jobs created by programs such as
        Adobe Illustrator 3.2, FreeHand 3.1/3.11, and PhotoShop 2.5.

    4)  Numerous reports of the autoswitching function not working properly
        and the printer begins "spitting" out hundreds of blank pages before
        it can be reset.  HP isn't acknowledging this one, so it could be a
        bad batch of controllers or an obtuse configuration procedure that is
        causing users to mis-configure.

Hope they work this out, you pay the price for being on the "bleeding" edge,
but this printer will set the standard for the next level of affordable
desktop lasers.



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From:         Jim Charles <JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Resolution

Is anyone using a 20" monitor on a Quadra 700? I need to know how
high your resolution goes.
Thanks....


Jim Charles
Computer Data Systems Inc.
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Crane, Indiana
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Deranged

Have to pass this comment of my husband's along.  I was playing my Metallica
(EARLY Metallica) comp last night and he said, "You know, if I didn't know what
that was I'd say it was deranged foreign polka music."

Oh the irrepressible images that came into my head once he said that...

Sturdy maidens in long braids and leather jackets gallumphing up and down the
polka hall.

Sonia "Deck the Polka Hall With Dolls of Folly"
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: New Thread

Sorry, Marsha, I intended to reply yesterday.  One cure for the
feminine instrument syndrome is female band directors.  BTW,
Stan Kenton had one female sax player in his last band, and
Don Ellis had several (including, I seem to recall, a female
trombone player).  Can someone remember their names?

As a sufferer though piano lessons from an early age, I don't think
this is exclusively a female thing, though having to practice
every day after school is a pretty sure way to become a social
outcast.

Now, what I'd really like to know is why so many female rock bands
break up.  Runaways, Heart, Bangles, and now I hear Babes In Toyland
is about to break up.  I am praying that this trend doesn't stop until
Wilson Phillips bites the dust, but that's probably too much to
hope for.

How the mind wanders... Does anyone but me remember the bridge on
the Bangles' "Manic Monday"?  Yum.  Anyone who can write a bridge like
that can do all manner of evil Egyptian things and I'll forgive them.
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From: USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave)
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Subject: Xmas tunes
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:05:11 GMT
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    How 'bout this for a holiday classic?

    Santa's Beard
           By They Might Be Giants

Chorus
    I saw my baby wearing Santa's beard
    She kissed him once and whispered in his ear
    I wish he would go
    He's breaking up my home

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:55:27 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Worst Song Ever

Just curious here, everyone generally agrees that "Plan Nine From Outer
Space" is the worst movie ever, has there ever been a general concensus
on the worst song ever....Damn there's so many where would you start
I guess with Debbie Boone...............L.W.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:58:41 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Too Old to Rock N Roll, Too Young to Die!

If you haven't guessed, there *is* a reason for my sometime series of posts
the past week:  in just 8 hours I shall reach the magic age when, as the title
sez, I'll be too old, etc.:  tomorrow I turn *40* *gasp, cough, hack, wheeze*
All I can say is I'd like to do it again, especially all the things that were
supposed to be bad for me that I avoided, and to make my wheelchair motorized,
as how else am I going to catch nubile young nurses at the home?
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From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: female rock bands

> From:          jc-s <GE777009%BROWNVM.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>

> All girl bands don't last for many reasons.
>
> one:  no one ever takes them seriously. not even other girls.
> two:  too quickly exploited for the "sex pot" factor
> three:  bosoms get in the way of playing guitar
> four: too catty, too much infighting between members over boys
> five: spending tour $$ on new clothes
> six:  all they really want to do is get married and have babies
>
>
> there ya have it.
>
> jc-s

    This is humor, yes?  If not I'd like to formally say that I am
personally offended, and I don't have "bosoms".  I can't wait to hear
from our "catty" "sexpot"s that is if their not to busy spending
"$$ on new clothes."



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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:55:10 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      bands in the Chicago area

Dear Allmusickers - especially if you're from (or in) Chicago!!!!

        OK...us law geeks are havin' a formal this April. We, like, need a
band, y'know? We're looking for a band that can play a great combination of
contemporary, oldies, Latin, and a coupla horas.... Anybody know a good
professional band in Chicago that can play a few hours of good dancin'
music for a bunch  of pre-lawyers? Please reply to me privately...I'll be
here until Sunday - or just send it and I'll pick it up after break. Hey
Marco - you gonna be in town in April??? All replies requested.....

Thanks a lot folks...

Marsha "The music-meister" Ferziger



Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Please remove me from list
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