From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Summary: How long have you lived in Pakistan? 
Keywords: spend some time  with your bretheren starving in Bengal.....
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:51:12 GMT

In article <1gsqp1INN77c@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec18.032600.28614@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>
>> To me, interpreting Islam on a forum like SCP is tantamount to hypocrisy
>> of an extreme order. Pakistan has issues, problems and challenges
>> that Pakistanis of muslim, hindu, christian and parsee  religions
>> need to participate in.  
>
>I'm sure there are many such issues, and nobody is preventing you
>from discussing them.  There will always be readers of a newsgroup who
>are not interested in particular topics.  If every article was
>required to interest *every* reader, we would have a very empty
>newsgroup indeed.
>
>> Your bantering of Islamic interpretations on SCP demonstrates to the
>> world that muslims, and in particular Islam promotes disregard of
>> considerations to forum., and organizational behaviour.  
>
>Your obsession with keeping this newsgroup free of any topics which
>don't interest you represents a disturbingly self-centered view of the
>world, as does your insistence on regarding yourself as the
>authoritative figure of the group, always speaking for the "forum" as
>a whole.  You aren't.  Your pathetic attempts to appear as some kind
>of net policeman will thus be noted as just that...
>
>> Fellow Pakistanis who are non muslims and or who have to benefit most from a
>> forum on Pakistan are the biggest losers, as after following such abject 
>> preaching/Mullahism, eventually loose interest and try to find other venues
>> for participation in Pakistani issues.
>
>If Pakistani law can be of interest in this newsgroup, if the cricket
>team's performance can be of interest, and if the status of Benazir
>Bhutto's husband can be of interest, then a religion which clearly
>influences most aspects of Pakistani culture (from the holidays to the
>very laws I mention earlier in this paragraph) is definitely of interest.
>
How much do you know about Pakistan, other than your banterings about Butto,
Cricket, and some obscure aspects of Pakistani law ? Yes, these are part of
Pakistani culture in their own spheres. However, for your kind information
holidays and other Islamic aspects of Pakistan are quite misleading in
representing Pakistani culture.

>> May I suggest a trip to Bangladesh in the near future, you may help your
>> starving bretheren, and a little more time/energy to SCB.
>
>Since you have no knowledge on the frequency of my trips to
>Bangladesh, this statement is characteristically unwarranted.  As for
>time/energy devoted to SCB, I think a glance at SCB will probably
>convince you...

I could not care less for SCB. It is a social culture bangladeshi forum, and
as I have never been to Bengladesh and know very little about Bengladesh, and
at present neither have the time nor inclination to persue further issues and
aspects of Bengladesh, I must decline your kind invitation. 

However, if sometimes in the future, I decide to take an interest in SCB,
I can assure you, it will be after getting to know Bengladesh a lot better
than I do now.

>
>The attitude that Bangladesh is a country of starving masses is not
>only wrong, but particularly amusing coming from a Pakistani -- a
>quick glance at the relevant statistics will show you that this
>attitude is hypocritical at best.  Indeed, higher population growth
>rates and the like for Pakistan are indicative of a higher need for
>development there in certain sectors...  Clearly, the SAARC countries
>should be helping each other to grow economically instead of
>displaying unjustified condescending attitudes to one another.
>
>> Amito maake bhaalo bhashi !
>
>Perhaps you should consider living up to this instead of continuously
>pestering the net with unwarranted flames of any articles *you* happen
>to think are irrelevant to the group.
>
>-- Shakil

And lastly, Mr. Shakil Waiz Ahmed, I may be acting obnoxiously and sounding
like a policeman on SCB, and you can be assured 110% if you and people like
you use SCP as a past time without any knowledge about Pakistan today, neither
any interest in the Pakistani nation and its issues, and btw, Bhutto, Cricket,
and obscure elements of Pakistani law are a very small part of Pakistani
culture, with Cricket at the top of that heap, you will be soundly chastised
and your articles highligted for what they are, TRASH (TOTALLY RUBBISH ARTICLES SENT HERE)

Best Regards,
Shams  Hasan.

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