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From: tomscud@owlnet.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Re: Pistons over Spurs 107-103....
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:01:10 GMT


>Article 12506 (158 more) in rec.sport.basketball.pro:
>From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
>Subject: Re: Pistons over Spurs 107-103....
>Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
>Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 00:08:02 GMT
>Lines: 28
>
>In article <14522@vela.acs.oakland.edu> awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Tony Wesle
>y) writes:
>
>>Hey Dave, go look up Rodman's college record.  He scored a whole lot
>>of points.  A friend who follows college a lot more than I do insists
>>he led the nation in rebounding and scoring his senior year.  I've
>>repeated the claim here a couple times before and no-one has refuted
>>it.  Mike Tamada posted his college stats last time I made this claim
>>and well -- Rodman scored a whole hell of a lot in college.
>
>      The trouble is that Rodman played at Southeastern Oklahoma,
>an NAIA school.  He may have numerically led the country is scoring and
>rebounding, but I believe that the only person in *NCAA* history to
>lead the country in scoring and rebounding was...(Sonics fans know this)...
>Xavier McDaniel.
*BZZZZZZT!* actually, I believe that Hank Gathers also did this his junior
year at Loyola Marymount.

>>     Actually the NBA Register says Rodman led the NAIA in rebounding his
>>junior and senior years, but it doesn't say anything about him leading
>>the NAIA in scoring.  So I doubt he did.  He did average 25.7 points
>>per game in his three years at SE OK.
>
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Tom Scudder
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From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Funeral trains (was Re: Manchester Metro)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <167C9A344.M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.091438.15087@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>
>ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk (Mark Enderby) writes, in part:
> 
>>Surprisingly, the first fatality was not on a street section - but
>>on the old BR track to Bury. I can't see the British coping with trams
>>on the road and would have expected some mangled cars and buses in
>>the near future !
> 
>On the contrary, I think it's quite fitting that a fatality should occur
>on the line to Bury.  Does the line have any Funeral Cars, as many American
>trolley lines did around the turn of the century?
> 
><Sorry, just couldn't resist the ovious pun!>
> 
>Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
>MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
>Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
><M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
> 
>"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
>                                                 - Charles Wesley

There was, of course, the Brookwood Necropolis Railway. This was owned by
a large cemetary ouside London (the dead centre?), and connected with the
London and South Western Railway. Trains of hearse cars ran from Waterloo.

Cheers...Chris Lee
From: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen)
Subject: Re: Melbourne's Trams in multiple.
Keywords: melbourne , Light Rail
Organization: Monash General Access UNIX System
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:27:16 GMT

In article <4663@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> matthew@cluster.cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.004058.524@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s921886@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Chun Ng) writes:
>>Melbourne has the most modern type on tramcars even the articulated ones
>>are designed to be able to run as mutiple units, but the coupler has not
>>been installed, even so it is for towing the vehicle rather than coupling.
>
> The B class 'LRV's were designed to be able run in pairs. If you look at
>the drivers console you will see that there a warning lights for the 'other
>car'.

Actually, the big problem with the A and B class trams/LRVs is that
they can't run on all parts of the Melbourne system. The pantographs
can't be used on tracks where the wiring hasn't been "zig zagged"
specially. On normal wiring, the A/B class trams' pantographs end
up getting worn, with a groove down the middle. The older trams all
have pantographs with rollers at the top, so they can be used anywhere
on the system.

And the real problem? The Met has too many A and B class trams.. a lot
of them can't be used.. meanwhile a lot of the old W class (the old
wooden ones) are out of service.. That's why Z class trams have
suddenly turned up on routes usually served only by W class (eg
route 67).



Daniel Bowen
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            Melbourne Australia | allegorical discussive climax of the
   daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | positionist stance. Either that or a
      TCWF: tcwf@gnu.ai.mit.edu | load of bollocks.               [TCWF 80]
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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: Old line questions
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 14:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.195501.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu>
tad@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
 
>
>I live north of Dallas and work near the old MKT mainline that
>parallels interstate 35E from Denton to Dallas. This is now a UP
>branch line and is frequented only by a pair of weary GP-38's,
>one in UP colors, one wearing a tired blue Mo-Pac scheme. Since
>I'm so close to the line, I keep an eye on what activity there is
>just to satisfy my curiosity. Since I have been doing this, I
>have noticed a few things that have me wondering...
>
>Does rolling stock ever get lost or forgotten? There is a boxcar
>that has been sitting at a siding of this line unmoved for at
>least several months, and probably much longer. It is very worn
>looking, and is painted in an old Katy scheme. It seems strange
>to me that it has apparently just been left there.
>
The boxcar that hasn't moved for several months quite likely has been leased
or purchased by some industry or business for use as storage, much like the
ubiquitous rental trailers you see all around.  Usually though not always, in
such cases the railroad's car number will be "crossed out" by painting a white
line through it - hence the term "white-lined" meaning a retired car.
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: donb@cirrus.com (Don Breitbarth)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Speeder Run
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:59:12 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Originator: donb@suntest


    Attention all persons interested in speeders  (full size track
inspection vehicles).

    This is to let you know that there will be a speeder meet comming
up on  Sunday June 14,  on the Niles Canyon Ry in  Sunol  CA.

    There will be a Safety meeting at 9:00 Am.  The Pacific Locomotive
Association would be happy to accept a  $20.00 donation per car.  
 
    Insurence will not be required but wavers must be signed and the
usual safety rules (flagging, proper distance and speed, no booze--
Rule G  etc.) will be required.

    We will have free run of the track, unless there is an unexpected
track laying gang working that day at the end of the line.


    This will be an excellent time to bring out a car which needs to
have some problems worked out before going on much longer runs later
this summer. Keeping this in mind-  Please be sure to bring a tow bar!
    Underpowered cars are OK. Grades are reasonable.

   This will NOT be an  N.C.Ry  public run weekend.  Anyone can come
by and railfan, ask questions etc. Only Guests will be allowed on the
railcars! If you would like to be a guest-- please contact one of us
on the net ahead of time, space is usually limited.

   I am not the event coordinator. I am just helping him spread the
word.   I would be happy to answer any questions you may have.

   Please contact me at        donb@cirrus.com    or  (408) 736-5713.

p.s.    This is not limited to persons in CA only. I limited the
      distribution due to location. Please pass along the information
      to anyone who you feel would be interested.       Don Breitbarth      
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: rdc
Keywords: history, Budd, RDC, SPV
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 APR 92 12:06:12    

Budd built the RDC series, so they get commonly called Budd cars.

There were several variants (thru -9?), with and without RPO, Without control
cab, etc.  I tend toward the term RDC, since that was Budd's term & because
Budd _did_ after all build other cars.  Using RR's had a tendency to name them
something special, when new.  B&M (i think) called 'em the "Bee Liners", the
NYNH&H name escapes me.

The full name of the SPV was SPV 2000: Self Propelled Vehicle [for the year]
2000.  There were never very many

(marginally related:  reportedly, somewhere in Western Canada, the "school bus"
was actually a railroad car, altho reseved for the kiddies.  The held a
name_the_car contest & the kids picked:

		Budd Wiser.

(Culture Clarifier: Budweiser is a well known brand of US beer...)  I don't
think it was a Budd Car...)

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass		01752	pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: Dale_Laird@mindlink.bc.ca (Dale Laird)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Napa valley fan trips
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:46:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Can anyone tell me details of the Napa, calif. fan trips.  Where to cxcatch the
wine train, etc.  And is there a streetcar or interurban system somewhere in
the north Napa valley?  I have heard rumors but nothing else.

Thanks, Dale.
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak to operate CalTrain
Date: 13 Apr 1992 03:13:03 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <9204081649.AA27169@zephyr.mtvyp>, adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:

|> Last night, Tuesday, April 7, the Peninsula Joint Powers Board
|> voted to switch from ATE to Amtrak.

Who is "ATE" ?  What else do they operate?  What do the 
initials stand for?

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NYC entusiasts.
Keywords: subways, new york city
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:29:41 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr16.183401.19622@acsu.buffalo.edu> v106qhlw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Poster Child Against Meal Plan) writes:
>Being from NYC, i was wondering if anyone  out there was a NYC buff or a
>NYC railbuff --- go to school here and buffalo and miss the discourse about
>that sort of stuff.  Anyone know any newsgroups for this specifically?

You get some NYC stuff here, and you get more on the Transit mailing
list on BITNET.  Send mail to listserv@gitvm1.bitnet (or however you
write a BITNET address at your site), with the message "sub transit
Poster Child" or whatever name you really want to be called (!).

Joe Brennan
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Amtrak to operate CalTrain
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:49:32 GMT


CalTrain's Joint Powers Board makes Amtrak the new operator.

Last night, Tuesday, April 7, the Peninsula Joint Powers Board
voted to switch from ATE to Amtrak.  There were too many
uncertainties and questions surrounding ATE's bid to become the
new CalTrain operator by July 1.

Earlier, Amtrak and ATE were competing for the right to become
the new CalTrain operator (taking over from Southern Pacific).
The JPB, in an earlier decision, chose ATE over Amtrak due to
ATE's slightly lower bid and it's plans to continue use of 2
people (engineer AND fireman) in train cabs.  JPB members also
said that ATE seemed "hungrier" and more eager to run the service
and do a good job.  Also,  during the original competition between
Amtrak and ATE, Amtrak didn't send their top execs to meetings.
There was a feeling among the JPB that Amtrak would view CalTrain
as just another small fish in a big pond whereas ATE would give
the service more attention.

Though ATE originally won the five-year contract to run CalTrain,
the subsequent negotiation of many details not specifically spelled
out in the original contract/proposal ran into problems.  The main
deal-killer seems to have been liability insurance.  ATE was making
non-negotiable demands for very high levels ($100M) of insurance
and was attaching very detailed and restrictive conditions on it
that would allowed ATE to withdraw from operating the service on
only a 90-day notice.  This issue wound up killing ATE's chance
to run the service last night.

The JPB needed to get something going quick because SP (the current
CalTrain operator) is only going to continue operating CalTrain
until July 1, 1992.  Amtrak has always had a standing offer that
they could step in and start running the service within 90 days.
I think the original loss of the contract to ATE was quite a blow
to Amtrak.  They made some mistakes and didn't really show their
eagerness to run the service strongly enough originally.  Last night
Amtrak tried to fix all that by opening with a speech by Graham
Claytor (their CEO/President).  Perhaps this, plus the bumbling
fumbling and none-too willing to compromise demeanor of ATE's Mr.
Olsen at last night's meeting tipped the scale and Amtrak is now
CalTrain's operator-elect.

--

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
UUCP: {amdahl|ames|hplabs}!ntmtv!adrian
ARPA: ntmtv!adrian@ames.arc.nasa.gov
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Danger Grade Crossing
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:21:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

An unusual accident that happened near Bucharest, Romania in 1984:

In Sept. that year I was taking a bicycle ride on the belt highway that
runs around Bucharest at about 10 mi from its center (that was my ususal
weekend tour...). Along the higway, at cca 20 yards from it, runs the
double-tracked belt railroad. In most places there is only flat terrain
between the railroad and the higway.

That Sunday I remarked an overloaded car that overpassed me - it was almost
dragging its bottom on the road. It had a... barrel on its top (containing
cca 200lbs of wine as I learned later) and it carried three well grown
adults and five children.

After cca 2 miles I saw a freight train stopped on the track - an electric
locomotive and about 60 empty tank cars. As I advanced, I saw that the
6th car from the end was derailed, with a bunch of metal wedged under it;
it had been dragged about 1/4 of a mile and it had hit six contact wire
masts and a block signal. The train had stopped because of the power failure.

The bunch of metal under the derailed wagon was the overloaded car that
had overpassed me. One of its tires had exploded, the driver lost the control
and the car left the highway and ran into the train, wedging itself under
the tank car and beeing rolled over and dragged by the train. The passengers
had an incredible luck: no one had injuries worse than bruises and superficial
cuts... It took about two hours for the rescuers to cut them free from the car.

Nick

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From: "steve waller" <steve.waller@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: business car placemen
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:48:36 EST
Reply-To: "steve waller" <steve.waller@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

SH>Dont know the answer to that question (I would guess that they do), but I can
SH>say that any business or private car we haul on CP, occupied or deadheading,
SH>always goes on the tail end.  Usually the business cars are put on a shortened
SH>version of a grain train (usually about 75 cars as compared to the normal 112)

Steve Hooper....

that's an interesting comment cause I usually see the business cars
on the head-end here.  Generally travelling between Toronto and Montreal.
Although I must admit it has been awhile since I noticed one....steve

(PS thats on CP here)
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From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Fields (was RE: Playing Chicken)
Keywords: ballast, contaminants
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 APR 92 12:25:41    

In article <1992Apr16.075723.5658@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>,
eoliver@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Eddie Oliver) writes, in part:
>In article <11442@mindlink.bc.ca> Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
>>writes:

>>BUT, recently a number of signal malfunctions were attributed to the ballast.
>>It seems that the high content of lead and zinc in the ballast was actually
>>high enough to short the rail circuits and trigger signal systems!

>>Needless to say, they have not hauled ballast out of there for a few years now.

>Why not? Surely there are still many sections of track on CP which are not
>track-circuited? Can't they still use it on branch lines, sidings etc.?
	Probably, if the content of minerals is _that_ high, its a hazardous
	material.  While not an extreme environmentalist, some things, like
	heavy metals getting loose in the water, bother me.  Colorado, for one
	is facing a considerable problem from rain water leaching metals from
	mine tailings high in the mountains & the resultant contamination
	gettting into the drinking water.  When the stuff was underground, it
	was far enough down to be out of the water loop & the chemistry was
	different.  Exposed to surface water, it sheds some nasty chemicals..

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass		01752	pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Color Light Signals
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:23:23 GMT
Organization: IXI Limited, Cambridge, UK

In article <12034@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
> On a searchlight signal, applying no power leaves the red roundel in
> front of the lightbulb.  Applying power with one polarity pulls the
> yellow roundel in, and reversing the polarity pulls the green roundel
> into place.
[...]
> That logic is very simple with relays, where a double-pole, double-throw
> relay will do the revarsal.

However, to quote British Rail official policy: "The overwhelming
disadvantage is that the roundel operating mechanism must be housed in
the signal head itself, which is not a good environment for what must
necessarily be somewhat delicate equipment."

For this reason, BR has been phasing out searchlight signals for over 30
years.
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From: rupertb@is.morgan.com (Rupert Brown)
Subject: CalTrain schedule
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:36:22 GMT

I may be travelling in the Bay Area next week could someone please post/mail me the times of trains as follows

SanJose -> Foster City (Friday Afternoon/Evening)
Foster City -> San Francisco (Sat Morning)
San Francisco -> Foster City (Sat Afternoon/Evening)


Thanks in advance
-- 
------------------------------------------------------
'You drive, the fear of death will keep us both alive'
-Jim Morrison

rupertb@is.morgan.com
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Playing Chicken!!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:46:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: railnet.yJTcJB3w164w
Organization: Railnet BBS (phone # changing April 1992)

mef@cs.rit.edu (Mark E Fischer) writes:

> Some people have some very strange reasoning why grade crossing accidents 
> happen...
> 
> Sigh... How can you argue with logic like that?
> 
Reminds me of the logic of a B&O brakeman - who could and would
spend hours explaining to anyone who listened that the manned
moon landing had been faked, and that he could show you the spot
in North Carolina where it was done.

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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Crossing Gate Rules and Laws
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:19:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

Here in Fort Collins, Colorado, there is an ordinance that prohibits the
occupation of a public crossing longer than five minutes, though I'm unsure
whether this is a State or Local law.  They DO enforce it, as the driver
of a Burlington Northern freight found out to his chagrin a few years ago.
It seems that he stopped his train at two in the morning, and walked the
3/4 of a block to the Jack-in-the-Box at the corner of College & Mulberry
Streets for a bite.  When he returned to his cab, a policeman was waiting
with a citation for blocking the crossing too long.  Never did find out
whether he or BN paid it, BTW.  Since then, a Vickers station on Prospect
Street next to the BN tracks has been converted to a 24-hour "Convenience
Store" [read:  high priced shoplifting magnet :-)] and last week I saw a
train headed by two SD-40-2s and a similar (though not alike) EMD six-axle
unit stopped about fifteen feet short of the street, while the brakeman
was in the store, and the engineer (driver?-around here sometimes the term    
"engineer" is not used as a complement :-) ) was having a smoke in his cab.
Interestingly, the flashers/bell were shut off, so traffic continued across
the rails during the ~ ten minutes I watched the train sitting there.  The
headlight was on half bright, then came on full, along with two strobes,
in the position normally occupied by ditch lights.  The crossing lights 
came on simultaneously, although both employees appeared to be in the cab.
Does anybody know how they could control the crossing without getting into
the battery box by the crossing?  Do they have some kind of [radio? infra-
red? ??] remote control for these things?

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