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From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Solar Eclipse is actually on 12/23....
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:13:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

Hmmm... the posting about the solar eclipse stated GMT on 12/25, 
and so I wondered when it would be Mountain time, and looked.

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP....! Wrong answer!

Solar Eclipse is listed as being at 2 degrees 28 minutes Capricorn
as the poster said, but hey! that occurs at the following date/time:
	Eastern:	7:43 PM  December 23rd, 1992
	Central:	6:43 PM    "
	Mountain:	5:43 PM    "
and	Pacific:	4:43 PM    "

I am suprised at the lack of detail found here sometimes. Gads!
I shouldnt be I guess...

hugs to all....


-- 
    Love is the answer...
	Communication Facilities Designer
	Freelance in the Land of Enchantment              Albuquerque, NM
	karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us                             (505) 266-8659
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: What's up pussycat, Radford
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:20:11 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec14.082331.19744@csd.uwe.ac.uk>, as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk
(AS Radford) wrote:
> 
> Carole:
> 
> My mail to 'carole@brownvm' is bouncing.  Can you email me the full
> email address, please?
> 
Hi, I spoke with one of the tekkies here.  He advised me to give you this
address.   CAROLE@brownvm.brown.edu.  That should be the internet address.

Hope to hear from you soon.  Carol
From: gautam@vax2.concordia.ca (MUNDKUR, GAUTAM)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: parallel and contra-parallel
Keywords: ASTROLOG, PARALLEL
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:04:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi:

Can any one post what parallel and contra-parallel mean??
Also, how to use astrolog to know this??

Thanks

gautam
From: michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael George Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:54:15 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <15DEC199214123860@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>In article <higgins.14.724383057@rmit.edu.au>, higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins) writes...
>>	Would anyone know how the planets came to be known by their names. I 
>>would imagine the first five planets got their names from the first 
>>atrologers/astronomers but how did the outer planets gain their names? 
>
>I think the names were attributed based on the observed physical attributes of
>the planets and some connection to the Gods:
>
>Mercury		Messenger of the Gods		Fastest planet
>Venus		Goddess of Beauty		Most beautiful and brightest
>Mars		God of War			Visible red color (=blood)
>Jupiter		Ruler of the Gods		(harder to say here)
>Saturn		Oldest God			Slowest planet
>
>
>It is hard to point to any particular visual characteristic of Jupiter which
>would make it stand out.  It is white in color, which could suggest a wizened
>god.  Perhaps the 12 year period was special.
>
>Dave

I was taught in history/astronomy/etc. classes that Jupiter was named for
the leader of the gods because it was obviously the biggest, therefore the
most powerful or whatever, and that Saturn was named after Jupiter's
father because Saturn was the original leader of the gods until his own
son defeated him.  Therefore, Saturn was obviously one of the big things
in the heavens, and vice versa, but not *the* biggest if his son defeated
him, so he was the second biggest.  I don't know for sure, and this is
only what I remember from my days in science classes in Junior High, etc.,
so don't take my word for it.  I'm only offering an opinion.


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From: ials@istech.msk.su (ials)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Seaching Ephymeris & Fixed Stars
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 92 22:42:34 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Systems and Technologies
Reply-To: ials@istech.msk.su
Keywords: Ephymeris, Stars
Summary: I need it very much

Dear friends !
 Who can help me to get necessary information.
 It's almost impossible in Russia to find the following:

 1. The American Ephemeris for the 20th centure by
    Neil F. Michelsen ( disk variant ) or corresponding
    software for calculation.
 2. Fixed Stars (Robinson's system). Any variant you
    have.

 I'll be greatful for everyone who will respond for my
 letter.

                          Svetlana Danilova.
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: solar eclipse on christmas eve.
Date: 13 Dec 1992 01:14:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
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In a previous article, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu () says:

>For your information, the December 23-24 eclipse will fall at
>2:28 Capricorn. It will begin at 22:20 GMT and end at 02:40 GMT.
>If you have a natal planet (more especially Sun or Moon) within
>2 degrees of the Capricorn or the Cancer location, you will
>be vulnerable to some effect.
>What kind?  I don't have expertise on eclipses, but it would be
>nice if someone who does would post.
>Regard, Lou

My Uranus is at 1CAN46, my moon at 0CAN15. With precession correction,
it's like they are 35 minutes ahead of that making the moon be at 
0 CANCER 50  and  Uranus at 2 CANCER 21... Shit! Seven *minutes* away from
an OPPOSITION!

Interpretations, please...?  :-)   Natal Moon/Uranus conjunction is in 11th
house.  Thanks!,

Tony
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Tesla Calculation Glitch
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:33:35 GMT

In article <BzFK7t.42r@csn.org>, lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.110535.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>
>>Hi Maggie!  Would you also kindly post Tesla's birth data?  Thanks --
>>
>>Lou
>>
> 
> Sure, Lou. Nikola Tesla was born at the stroke of midnight (00h local
> mean time) on July 10, 1856 in Smiljan, Yugoslavia (19E00, 45N15). His
> ascendant is at 3Taurus22, and his MC is at 16Capricorn39. Pluto
> and Uranus are in the first house, and Venus and the Sun straddle
> the IC and form a T-square with a Mars-Moon conjunction in the
> sixth opposed to Jupiter and the North Node in the twelfth, with
> Jupiter squaring Saturn in the third (which is very loosely conjunct
> Venus and the IC). His angular Pluto is almost exactly sextile
> Saturn, the ruler of his tenth.
> 
> Maggie

I'm having a problem . My software is a trashy little program,
BlueJr, which certainly has its shortcomings, but serves.

Or maybe it's me and not the software. 

ooh localmean time (and I'm calling it timezone -3)
results in an ASC of 1:19 Gemini.

But, if birth was at the stroke of midnight, then would it be closer
to 11:59 PM (which would actually move the date back to the 9th)... OR...
24 hours later at closer to 11.59 of the 10th, which gives an ASC
of 28.24 Libra!!

Tell you what, let me know the degree of the Moon, and that will point
the direction. 

Thanks much,

Lou

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mt@space.mit.edu (Mary Terhune)
Subject: testing
Originator: mt@aurora
Reply-To: mt@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Distribution: alt.astrology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:49:39 GMT

This is just a test...

testing
testing
testing
From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: parallel and contra-parallel
Keywords: ASTROLOG, PARALLEL
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:45:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <20DEC199211045327@vax2.concordia.ca> gautam@vax2.concordia.ca (MUNDKUR, GAUTAM) writes:
>Hi:
>
>Can any one post what parallel and contra-parallel mean??
>Also, how to use astrolog to know this??
>
>Thanks
>
>gautam 


Hi Gautam,

If two planets are in parallel, they are at very nearly the same
declination (i.e., distance north or south of the celestial equator).
If they are contra-parallel, they are the same distance from the
equator, but in different directions (e.g., one is +7 and the 
other is -7). A parallel is considered similar to a conjunction,
and a contra-parallel is similar in nature to an opposition.
Note that at an exact eclipse (solar or lunar), the Sun and Moon
are at the same declination, that is, they are parallel, as well
as being in exact conjunction (solar eclipse) or opposition
(lunar eclipse).

I have no idea how to find this information in Astrolog, but
I would guess that the programme will print out the declination
of the planets in addition to their longitude (i.e., zodiacal
degree). You can determine if two planets are parallel or
contra-parallel by examining their declinations.


Maggie
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mt@space.mit.edu (Mary Terhune)
Subject: Grand Square in Chart
Originator: mt@aurora
Reply-To: mt@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Distribution: alt.astrology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:05:04 GMT

Okay all you astrology buffs...help out
this neophyte here.....posted this once without
response so trying again in the spirit of the
Holidays:

What significance does a Grand Square
have in a Chart...heard that JFK had one
in his chart....and that it is unusual
to find that in a chart.  Please enlighten!

Thanks,
Mary
 
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mt@space.mit.edu (Mary Terhune)
Subject: Grand Square in Chart
Originator: mt@aurora
Reply-To: mt@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Distribution: alt.astrology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:12:21 GMT

Someone told me that JFK had a Grand
Square in his chart and it has great
significance...Can someone tell me about
Grand Squares?

Thanks,
Mary

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Seaching Ephymeris & Fixed Stars
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:16:31 GMT

>In article <AAwMc8hiy7@istech.msk.su>, ials@istech.msk.su (ials) wrote:
> 
> Dear friends !
>  Who can help me to get necessary information.
>  It's almost impossible in Russia to find the following:
> 
>  1. The American Ephemeris for the 20th centure by
>     Neil F. Michelsen ( disk variant ) or corresponding
>     software for calculation.
>  2. Fixed Stars (Robinson's system). Any variant you
>     have.
> 
>  I'll be greatful for everyone who will respond for my
>  letter.

>Hello Svetlana,

You can order astrology books from the AFA (American Federation of
Astrologers).  Their headquarters is located in Tempe, Arizona.  I don't
have the phone number ...but the operator does. 

diana
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Solstice Chart
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:40:06 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx53.cis.brown.edu

Hello folks,

I may not have time enough to do this posting justice but I wanted to post
a few of the predictions resulting from my last Uranian Astrology class on
12/8.

The instructor (Gary Christen) set up the Dec. 21st chart for the Solstice
(at  0.00 Capricorn) for Boston, MA.  Said it was good for the whole of the
east coast.  

The Solstice chart in Dec. in the most important chart of all the seasons.
It is the SOLAR RETURN OF THE EARTH!  The chart is good for about 6 weeks
previous to about 7 mnths after the actual date.  The other 3 charts may
add detail but that is it.  He has been looking at (and doing presentation
workshops) solstice charts for about 20 years.  He worked so fast that it
was hard to keep up.  He used the 90 degree dial, with TNP's and rattled
off many predictions.  I plan to gather those predictions from my tape and
display them here.  Time, oh, time - going so fast.

This brief posting is intended to add to the Diana/Charles info.  The
solstice chart holds a Venus Saturn conjunction.  Gary relates this to the
royal familyh and to royalty in general and all the royalty type of events
globally.  He did state that news of a scandalous nature would be prominent
for the couple.

The solstice chart can be set up for anywhere in the world - remember what
is on the angles in the particular location will be prominent for that
area, as well as the other configurations.

More tomorrow.    Regards, Carol
From: claude@cse.ucsc.edu (Claude Noshpitz)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Looking for good astrology/ephemeris programs > MAC!
Date: 20 Dec 1992 10:26:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: lancelot.ucsc.edu

Summary: 
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Distribution: world
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Keywords: 


Hi - O'm lloking for good astrolog/ephmeris programs for the mac,
preferably pd but otherwise worth the money.

				Any tips would be appreciated!

				Claude
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Re: Grand Square in Chart
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: alt.astrology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.161221.18700@athena.mit.edu> mt@space.mit.edu writes:

>Can someone tell me about Grand Squares?
>
>Thanks,
>Mary
>

I think you are refering to a Grand Cross (2 oppositions and 4 squares)
The generic definition is a balanced self contained person who goes about
moving his energy in challenging and disharmonizing ways.  It is a "make
or break" situation often very productive at great costs of tranquility.

My experience is that these people are never smooth but very aggressive
with the issues of the planets in the nodes.  If any of us are fortunate
to have a planet in their own chart hit one of the nodes of a  Grand
Cross in another person's chart, the attraction is quite strong (but the 
relationship is debilatating and constantly challenges both to demonstrate 
their potentials.  

My daughter always argued (more like yelling) issues in the middle of the
street with her first boyfriend who had a Grand Cross of personal planets.
I know a person who has two Grand Trines and a Grand Cross of personal 
planets doing relationship seminars.  The energy is overwhelming to say the
least (An Aries sun helps too).  Grand Trines are the antithesis of Grand
Crosses and accomplishes itself through great harmoney and ease.

Most of us have "T" squares (1 opposition with a planet squaring both ends)
and that creates a drive towards the missing part usually controlled by the
squaring planets by nature and house (like a teeder-todder).

When the transits hit those nodes of a Grand Cross the result is not very 
quiet (especially if the transiting planet is one of the ones in the Grand
Cross configuration at birth).  

You could say that anyone experiencing the effects of a Grand Cross by whatever
means has a real cross to bear!

dB 
From: stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:51:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Thnx for Eclipse Postings/oops
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: alt.astrology

In alt.astrology, Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:

<<stuff deleted>>

>    Since the eclipse is a conjunction to his MC in the sign of his birth, I
>    would greatly hesitate to use the word nasty.  The opposition would
>    indicate an extreme awareness around the 4th house (IC) issues.  As Steve

Another keyword for "opposition" is balance -- when the energy is expressed
or directed well.  It takes a clear focus and clear direction to balance
and manage all the energy in (all of) our lives at this time.  For me, this
is just another awareness point to the future gathering of seven planets in 
Capricorn.

"Time will continue to accelerate and energies will continue to build."

>    writes, he has already made plans to do the work of the eclipse.  The good
>    Capricorn would make careful plans, however, we have a Cancer here.  A
>    desire for new goals in life is certainly the message of the eclipse.  But,
>    leaving your home must be quite momentous for you.  

What is life without (gulp!) adventures?

>    The Eclipse is a timing factor which, for you, is quite significant.
>
>     re: Conjunction, new beginning.  Eclipse of his MC - change/loss of
>    current destiny path - Steve states he is changing careers, leave the
>    established relationships at work on all levels.  Coworkers, leaders,
>    bosses.     The influence of Capricorn is to shrink, not grow.  To bring
>    form and structure into the earthly life. The eclipse points out the new
>    structure about to form. 

Thanks for the interpretation.
>
>    Are you an Aries rising - have a natural chart?  A woman I met this summer

4 ARIES 53 rising.  Having a "natural chart" actually inhibited my learning
astrology, but that was many years ago.

>    has a zero degree Aries rising chart.  She is Cancer (about 50ish) and is a
>    real estate agent - in the last few  months she sold her home, left her
>    work and got in her car and is travelling down the east coast seeing
>    friends and visiting Florida.  She will return to  - well, she says,
>    "whatever will be there for me".

Hmm... that feels familiar.

>    I hope the "whatever" will be there for you too.  I trust the Universe will
>    have great plans for you - the profound sense of freedom must be
>    overwhelming!

Yes!  Actually, it's more an anticipation of a new life beginning.
>
>    Regards,Carol
>
 
Thanks,

Steve Kauder                        Phone: 303-229-3541 
UTD Support and Learning Products   Unix Mail: stevek@hpfcmgcf.fc.hp.com

"Computers, Music, Astrology, The Course in Miracles, what's next??"
From: hunter@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: 3136
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:29:27 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University


  Hi all. This news thing is completely new to me! But here goes. I've
been very interested in astrology for a long time now, for years, but
I have yet to move beyond an elementary level, such as rising signs
and moon signs. So far what I know is really interesting. This may seem
silly, but I'm wondering what kind of person I would be compatible with
romantically as well as friendship-wise. I'm a Taurus born May 3, 1969.
My moon sign is Sag and my rising sign is Libra. I also know that I have
other planets in the fire signs such as Aries and more Sag as well, so 
it makes me restless and adventuresome. But on the flip side, I can be
rather quiet and homebody-ish....almost domestic. But I'm not ready for
that yet! Anyway, I'm looking for some companionship, someone who would
be compatible with me if possible, for some interesting conversation and
to "hang out" with. Also someone my age approximately, in their 20s. I
live in the San Francisco Bay Area of California. I'll be looking for a
response soon.....                        Joan
From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: origin of planet names
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:18:41 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

Hello,

Erik [S2822338@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (s2822338)] writes...

>>It is hard to point to any particular visual characteristic of Jupiter which
>>would make it stand out.  It is white in color, which could suggest a wizened
>>god.  Perhaps the 12 year period was special.

>How 'bout the death-rebirth myth in nearly (if not all) ancient human
>societies?  Some of them specifically point to a second sun that comes
>into being.

Really?  I'm curious - which ones?  I know of the Egyptian story about
the eye of Ra that 'got away from him', but is that really another sun?

>And, given the astronomical data we have of Jupiter, one of
>the facts being that it is nearly (if not greater than) the mass required by
>the "laws" of physics to begin nuclear fusion...

No, it's not.  Even if its mass were to mysteriously double, or triple,
or whatever is needed, it still wouldn't become a star (a la 2010),
because of its chemical composition.

>Your last statement brings up an interesting point, it's 12 year period.
>The number 12, (obviously) is rather important to astrology...
>Wouldn't it be even MORE important if at one time the great light in the sky
>DID have a 12 year cycle...

Well, it's not exactly 12 - more like 11.something -- there are many
here who know the exact siderial period.  Here's a question - how close
is Jupiter's siderial period to the sun's ~11 year sunspot cycle?
Does this have any astrological importance?

>>Astrologers generally seem take the myths without question as applicable to 
>>the significance of the planet in natal horiscopes which does seem to hold 
>>true but who named them and why and did they have any astrological knowledge 
>>to help them to make the decision. I almost start to fear that the next 
>>planet discovered will be imprpoperly named by the scientific community (not 
>>that they would care about astrologers opinions).

>Who cares what "scientists" name the planets?  Whenever their astrological
>significance is discovered (rather than just their physical location)
>THEN astrologers could simply use whatever name fits for them.

But they haven't.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't
astrological literature full of talk about why the names Uranus,
Neptune, Pluto, Chiron, etc...  (which were chosen by astronomers)
are completely astrologically appropriate for the 'energy' of that
body?  Astronomers thus seem to have a good track record for naming
planets.

Steve Cranmer
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Thnx for Eclipse Postings/oops
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:15:50 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <Carole-171292092512@cis_staff-kntx53.cis.brown.edu>,
Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) wrote:

> Since the eclipse is a conjunction to his MC in the sign of his birth, I
> would greatly hesitate to use the word nasty.  The opposition would
> indicate an extreme awareness around the 4th house (IC) issues.  As Steve
> writes, he has already made plans to do the work of the eclipse.  The good
> Capricorn would make careful plans, however, we have a Cancer here. 

as you can see, I realized my error but didn't reread enough stuff long
enuff!
Sorry.  Ignore please, 'sign of his birth'.  'the good Capricorn'.  Thanx
Carol %<{
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