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From: d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: Re: Candlemass Quick Question (or two)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:02:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.185616.431@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.134749.4004@kth.se> d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer) writes:
>>In article <LAVONIUS.92Dec12112249@plootu.Helsinki.FI> lavonius@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec12.020126.24338@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>>
>>>   That was my first taste of Candlemass and if I can find their albums I'll
>>>   be getting some of their other stuff. I hear the newest one (an import) is
>>>   very different because Messiah Marcolin is with Count Raven now.
>>>
>>>What ? When did this happen ?
>>Repeat previous line a couple of times...
>
>Well, I heard a bunch of stuff about where Marcolin went, from Mercy to Count
>Raven, but I've heard the story that he sings for Count Raven much more often
>than him singing for Mercy. Are they still around anymore?
>
I also heard about him going back to Mercy, but the latest I hard was that he
planned a solo album (dunno what musicians he could have used). But not a
word about Count Raven. I know that CR have been looking for a new vocalist
since Christian Lindersson went to Saint Vitus; on their new album which I
finally got my hands on a few days ago the guitarist sings. Obviously CR
are still around; Mercy released something last year called "Witchburner"
which seemed to feature Messiah but since then I haven't heard anything.
One thing that annoys me is that such bands never seem to play live. I saw
CR, who are Stockholm-based, in January 1991, but since then - nothing.
I have never seen anything about Mercy playing anywhere.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 15:44:50 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Motorhead
Distribution: na
 <92339.164154U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <Bys4s7.D7t@math.uwaterloo.ca>

In article <Bys4s7.D7t@math.uwaterloo.ca>, amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain
M. Gaudrault) says:
>
>In article <92339.164154U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Dec4.063757.10686@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
>>dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu) says:
>>>
>>>I just want to know what Motorhead fans suggest as good albums to get.
>>>I have No Remorse, 1916, and March or Die.  What of the many others
>>>should I get next.  I'm eventually going to get them all, it's just
>>>going to take some time.
>>
>>I already spotted Alain's suggestions,but the ones I would recommend are
>>these:
>>
>>1) ACE OF SPADES-seminal studio LP from the guys. Do _not_ pass it up.
>>2) NO SLEEP AT HAMMERSMITH-great live LP. Check out "Overkill" or "The
>>"Hammer for easy confirmation of this.
>>
>        That's _No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith_.  Tsk, tsk.

Sorry.....that's the sort of crap that happens when you get enough caffeine
into your system...by coffee or other means.... >:)

>        I must agree that _Rock And Roll_ was a pretty good Motorhead album,
>but Orgasmatron is way better.  Check it out if you don't have it.  Built For
>Speed and the title track leave serious aural scars.

Weird....I think _RnR_ is the better LP...Filthy's back (and the band is much
more fluid as a result),the songs kick ass (as usual,of course),and Bill
Laswell's not sitting in the producer's chair. Don't get me wrong...Bill's
great when he's producing his own noise/free jazz/funk bands (Last Exit,
Material,the _other_ Massacre,etc.),but he's not really my cup of tea when
he's producing outside that area...I wasn't real high on the Ramones' BRAIN
DRAIN,either,so I know of what I speak....

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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From: donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Marty Friedman's "Scenes"
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:49:31 GMT

In article <DALSTEN.92Dec14025346@blue.iesd.auc.dk> dalsten@iesd.auc.dk (Per Dalsten Soerensen) writes:
>
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:51:19 GMT, some unknown man djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu said:
>
>
>The_man> veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV) writes:
>
>>Marty Friedman (of Megadeth fame) has just released a solo effort....
>>it is partially produced (and pretty heavily influenced in style) by
>>Kitaro... I picked up the tape after hearing a friend's copy.
>>Neither of us expected a 'composer' album... quite the difference
>>from Megadeth's style... He enlisted Nick Menza on drums and Brian
>>BecVar (Kitaro's keyboardist) on keys....  The whole album is *very*
>>musically sound and beautiful to listen to... nice and relaxing....
>
>The_man> Well, what does it sound like...is it like classical guitar,
>The_man> or what.  Sorry, I have no idea who Kitaro is *blush*.  So if
>The_man> you could give a general style assessment, that would be
>The_man> cool.
>
>Yes, maybe could somebody even compare it to Marty's first solo effort
>'Dragons Kiss'?
>
>I just wonder if this is just another example of a guitarist giving up
>on good 'shredding', like Richie Kotzen and Tony MacAlpine, for
>instance. Remember the difference between Kotzens first and 'Electric
>Joy', and the difference between 'Edge of Insanity' and 'Eyes of the
>World' by MacAlpine?  Well, to be fair to MacAlpine his latest
>'Freedom to Fly' is way better than 'Eyes...'.
>
>The_man> 							the man
>
>-Per.
>
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> _/_/_/      _/   _/     |   dalsten@iesd.auc.dk  |    Aalborg University
>_/      _/  _/_/_/   _/  |                        | 

I doubt that Marty is giving up on good shredding, just trying something 
new. This is hardly a sellout or anything, just quiet, new-agey music
with an emphasis on melody. It's not metal, or even rock, but it's
not bad. He has hardly decided to crank out 12 stupid pop tunes with 4 bar
guitar solos. Very different sort of playing on this for Marty, but 
his ethnic influences are very apparent. I am glad for this, since his
unique blend of ethnic styles was neglected on the last Megadeth album.

Probably just an experiment. I wouldn't worry about it.
Pax
					--Judex--
From: d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Candlemass Quick Question (or two)
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:47:49 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <LAVONIUS.92Dec12112249@plootu.Helsinki.FI> lavonius@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.020126.24338@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>
>   I have Candlemass's LIVE, and I enjoy it very much. It contains "The Well Of
>   Souls," "Through The Infinitive Halls Of Death," "Mirror, Mirror," "The
>   Sorcerer's Pledge" (one of my favorites), "At The Gallows End" (another of
>   my favorite songs here), and "Dark Are The Veils Of Death" and a couple othe
>   That was my first taste of Candlemass and if I can find their albums I'll
>   be getting some of their other stuff. I hear the newest one (an import) is
>   very different because Messiah Marcolin is with Count Raven now.
>
>What ? When did this happen ?
Repeat previous line a couple of times...
If you are really sure about this then post/mail me/whatever more about it.
Damn, I'm the biggest Candlemass/Messiah fan here and I live in Sweden and
I'm the one who should learn such things *first* 8-)

>And, being one of the net.cndlmss.heds I'd like again to recommend two of the
>best big C records: Nightfall and Ancient Dreams. The VI album is IMO good,
>but, as you said, very different. If you like Tony Martin, the newest is
>probably your game too. 

I can only agree on the recommendations... and get _Epicus Doomicus Metallicus_
(the first album) too if you can find it. "Sorcerer's Pledge", "Solitude",
"Demon's Gate" and "Under The Oak" are on it.

And yes, the new album is very different. Actually it was the musical change
that made Messiah leave. It's a pity that they couln't get the vocalist
they used on the first album to sing for then, I don't *really* like
Tomas Vikstrvm...

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From: raj@zx.qsp.UUCP (Raj Dosaj)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Arrrrrrrrgh!
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:46:13 GMT
Organization: Quality Software Products, LA, CA

In article <Bz2D8v.KoF@math.uwaterloo.ca> amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.230247.28007@Cadence.COM> jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) writes:
>>Well,I never thought I'd say there's a band that are a bigger
>>bunch of homo's than that axl guy's band,but after hearing
>>some metallif@g on the radio,They are damn close.metallifuk
>>has got to be the lame-est,trendy-est band on the air these
>>day's.And the funniest part is a lot of you people on the net
>>think they're good??!!
>>I mean,come on.Kill em all and ride the lightning were half
>>decent 6 years ago,but they've gone into the shitter ever
>wasn't for Sweet Child O' Mine, they NEVER would have made it so big.  But once
>they did, they started putting out crap, aiming for the commercial audience.
>ALL bands will do this, no matter HOW heavy they are.  Just look at Slayer.
>Reign In Blood was amazing and got people talking about them big time.  What
>happened?  South of Heaven.  An ok album, but a minor sellout to the die hard
>fans.
>						  Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
>                                                     __   __            
>                                                    /  `-' /          ,,
>                                                    |[====|||||||||||[::}
>                                                    \__.-._\          ``

You might be right about South of Heaven, although I like that album even
though it's probably Slayer's worst.  But what did Slayer do on its next
album?  They went back to the shit that got them there.  Season in the 
Abyss was pure.  Although Reign In Blood is an absolute masterpiece, 
Season in the Abyss comes close.  There was no sell out on that album.
But if you really want to see the difference, just compare the two 
bands Metallica and Slayer on their latest tours.  I went to see
Metallica because I expected them to go back to their roots preforming
live.  What did I get?  A bunch of motherfuckers acting like they went
to the Warrant school of live performances.  Their little "routines"
on stage made me want to heave( if you saw them you'll know what I'm
talking about).  They used to just play songs, but now it seems they
feel compelled to fuck around like the other glam rocking faggots.
Fuck 'em.
On Slayer's tour (Season in the Abyss) they simply played music.
It was 2 hrs. of unleashed fury not 8 minute spurts of play acting.
Slayer was always number 1 for me, because I knew they would never
sell out.  I used to think Metallica had the same pureness of heart,
but greed got the better of them.  Too bad, another band eat's shit.

Raj

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From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Subject: Re: Marty Friedman's "Scenes"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:51:19 GMT

veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV) writes:



>Marty Friedman (of Megadeth fame) has just released a solo effort.... it is
>partially produced (and pretty heavily influenced in style) by Kitaro... I
>picked up the tape after hearing a friend's copy.  Neither of us expected a
>'composer' album... quite the difference from Megadeth's style... He enlisted
>Nick Menza on drums and Brian BecVar (Kitaro's keyboardist) on keys....  The
>whole album is *very* musically sound and beautiful to listen to... nice and
>relaxing....


Well, what does it sound like...is it like classical guitar, or what.  Sorry,
I have no idea who Kitaro is *blush*.  So if you could give a general style
assessment, that would be cool.

							the man
From: mech14017020@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MORE ON THIS SELLING OUT THING
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:10:41 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <5907@maserati.qsp.UUCP>, raj@zx.qsp.UUCP (Raj Dosaj) writes:
> 
> 
> If you saw Metallica on their last tour then you know for sure that they
> have sold out (hopefully they figure this out and go back).  The whole
> show seemed that like that same phony shit you see all the glam bands
> doing.  The video camera behind the scenes of the show, the "drum battle",
> and all the other senseless shit they did, annoyed the fuck out of me.
> I remember when they simply played song after song and gave you all they
> had.  Now it seems like they feel compelled to give us the same crap that
> other bands give us.  Fuck the explosions and laser displays and extra long
> solos.  I came to the show to see them play not to try to appeal to their
> new "video" crowd.  If you leave a show, any show, and the thing you remem-
> ber the most was some pyrotechnic display, then you better think about
> what you really paid to see.  Remember, Lazerium is a lot cheaper than
> a concert.
> 
> Raj
> 

Come on now! If you have ever seen Metallica on any tour other than this
latest one, you know that they like to fuck around on stage. On the tour
for ...And Justice For All they fucked around alot and that was before
everybody was calling them sellouts. In 1986 when they opened for Ozzy
they fucked around on stage, although not nearly as much because of the
limited time they had. Most of their fucking around was actually funny.
It's good to have a laugh in between songs in order to rest from 
headbanging. Metallica have always used alot of pyro, but not as much as
other bands. It's there to add to the music. If they were to just stand
around playing, not communicating with the audience, with no lights or
pyro, people would say it was a truly shitty show and that they are
arrogant bastards. Lighten up, all of Metallica's albums have been
different from the previous one. People were actually calling them sellouts
when they heard a ballad was going to be on Ride the Lightning. Don't
worry, the next Metallica album will be different.
		
		Troy
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: NWOBHM ID
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:04:23 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Dec19.232519.27540@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>I have these compilations and a whole bunch of bands I know almost nothing 
>about, so those of you who can help, please provide some info:
>
>Quartz

	These guys seemed to get a lot of bad press in their day, but I
rather liked them.  "Stand Up And Fight" (1980 or so) is by far their
best -- a classic.  Their first one (self-titled, then re-released
later as "Deleted") is fair (produced by Tony Iommi!), and their
last (I can't remember the title at this moment -- released on Heavy
Metal Records around '84) wasn't all that great either, though not
bad ...

>Bitches Sin

	Recorded the classic "Strangers On The Shore" that appeared on
the first Heavy Metal Records compilation.  What a great song.  They
followed that with their debut album (I think called "Predator") which
has some lineup changes and was absolutely awful.  Many years later,
they put out "Invaders" (again, not sure of the title) which was 
actually pretty good.

>Soldier

	I've got a single of them somewhere -- not bad, not noteworthy.

>Black Rose

	They've done quite a bit of stuff, but I think they ended up being
more a rock band than a true NWOBHM-inspired band, as they started as.

>Mythra

	See Soldier above.

>E.F. Band (they're Swedish, but I know two of them are British. One of the
>	members was Dave Dufort, brother of Girlschool's drummer Denise and
>	ex-member of Angel Witch)

	Whose the other Brit?  Oh, wait -- their later stuff had a vocalist.
On the album I like, "The Last Laugh", they were a trio.  I can't
remember the names of their other albums, but they had at least two
others out.

>Xero

	Wait!  Was this the band that Bruce Dickenson once sang for 
(very briefly)?  The band appeared on "Metal For Muthas II" ...

>Toad The Wetsprocket (no relation to the one who's been releasing albums
>	recently)

	Nope.  This one was on the first "Metal For Muthas".  I think
they disappeared after that.

>Legend (there were three or four of them. I'm familiar somewhat with the one
>	who released DEATH IN THE NURSERY, but I have only a song called
>	"Hideaway" not by the DITN Legend. Obviously it's from one of the
>	other two or three.)

	My favoirite band of all time.  'Nuff said. :-)  Really.

	Hope this helps ...

					Brian
-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
From: sohaneps@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Patrick S Sohaney)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: W.A.S.P???
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:15:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: sohaneps@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Patrick S Sohaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-27.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Any word on any new stuff???  Where's Lawless and the rest???  All this  
grunge metal is fantastic, but I'd like to hear some more of the stuff my  
generation was poisoned with!!!







-- Sunrise.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: kwolf@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Wolf)
Subject: Re: Headbangers Ball?????
Keywords: it sucks
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:44:08 GMT

Ok, since it sucks: Lets pretend your the one who picks what videos to play.
List the videos, by name and artist, that would make the perfect Headbangers
Ball episode.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Skyclad... info needed!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:41:38 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <104949@bu.edu>, venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.160140.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>'Nuff said? Good! Remember:  Sabbath sucks, Sabbat rules! Watch out for that
>>unnecessary 'h', boys 'n girls, cause Walkyier is wild!
>>
>>--Semhaza
> 
> Sabbath sucks? Suck my motherfucking dick, asshole!

Hey. In my opinion, they're boring. It's the *only* metal group I can think
of where I am actually relieved to stop listening to them. Frankly, I'd rather
listen to Poison. Or drink it :)

There's plenty of people who don't like some of my faves. So what? All I 
figure is, it's their loss if they don't appreciate brilliance. I don't
normally insult them.
 
> Sabbath's been around for more than 20 years and you'll see what
> ppl will say about SABBAT even in 5 years!

Elvis Presley has been around for more than 20 years (well, his music has
anyway). People still talk about him. That doesn't mean I have to like him.

Face it. Whether 20 million people like a group or not has nothing to do with
whether or not they're any good. And lack of popularity has never stopped *me*
from liking a band.

Yours in Azazel,
--Semhaza
From: lfoul@terapin.com (Jake McClean)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Wanted!
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:00:48 GMT
Organization: BBS

I have a SERIOUS interest in any Iron Maiden items you may have!
This includes:
-Albums
-Singles
-Posters
-Pins
-Shirts
-ANYTHING Iron Maiden!  If you've got some ol' maiden stuff you don't relly
care for or just wanna get rid of, you can reach me at lfoul@terapin.com
Thanks all!
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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater ???????????????????
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:19:48 GMT

cthomas@npal.rn.com writes:

>	I have the Dream Theater CD.  I am not sure from your comment if you've
>heard much of their stuff or not but the album is pretty good.  The music
>is a progressive heavy-metal sort of like Fates Warning, actually a lot like
>Fates Warning with better vocals.  Overall the album is light and jazzy
>with a few heavy Metallica style rythms.  If you like Fates Warning you'll
>love Dream Theater

Having just bought the album, I'd describe it as a mix between Queensryche
and Rush, with vocals reminiscent of Styx, and the occasional Metallica
riff.
--
Ramez Naam
naam@terra.cecer.army.mil
From: veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Dream Theater: I was wrong.
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:49:28 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <Bz8D5x.4t1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes...
> 
>Hmm...I think there were two things I didn;t like about the vocalist.  I
>think it was the high pitched-ness of his voice (if I remember correctly).  I
>like some high-pitched singers, but this one just didn't catch my ear.  I

	Hmmmm... the guy has a *very* quality voice (IMO)... but everyone has
their own tastes in what they like to hear...

>think it seemed to me to be too much like a lot of other vocalists too.  I
>dunno, I only saw it once, and it was DEFINITELY one of the better
>songs/videos of the night, but I dunno if it is my cup o' tea.  Perhaps it
>would grow on me though...wouldn't doubt it.  I think I say I dunno a lot :)
>Anyway, i guess it didn't strike me....but my neighbor liked it :)  >

	If you have a/some friend(s) who have "Images & Words", try and give
the whole thing a listen... there is some seriously good music on the album!!! 

>					glad to be sharing opinions, not 
>					insults, 

	*smile*  true enough!

-- Kristy
From: veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Dream Theater: I was wrong.
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:24:48 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <Bz7v89.LFu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes...
>mech14017020@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 
> 
>Saw the same video, and didn't like it...too mellow like for me, and I didn't
>really like the vocalist.  Just shows how two people can differ in opinion.
>I have come to the conclusion that Headbanger's Ball is there so I can listen
>to songs from albums and find out I don't need to get that album (e.g. last
>nite - Dream Theater, D.R.I., Biohazard)...all IMHO of course.
> 

	You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you're missing out on a
*GREAT* album.... (DT's Images & Words)  What was it exactly that you didn't
like about the vocalist?
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