From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Subject: Posted for Pierre Pastourel: Pacific Northwest Summary LONG!
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:52:31 GMT

This might be a good beginning for a FAQ for the Pacific Northwest.

Rajeev Jog
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Rajeev,

  Here is the summary of the mail msgs I got for things to do and see
in Oregon, Washington, and Vancouver Island. Unfortunately, I can't
get my newsreader (xvnews) to load that big a file. (my mailtool
can handle it, however).

  So, could you please post the summary included below on my behalf
to rec.travel and ba.general???

Thanks,
Pierre


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  I just got back from Victoria this week.  Gorgeous weather!
It will get up to 80 or so in town, but this is the clear
season and so you should get quite a bit of sun on the Island.
  The Port Angeles ferry is certainly crowded.  It runs about
4 times daily (call the Washington 800 number, or I can look at
my schedule tomorrow).  The times I remember are 8:30am, 5:15pm,
9:30pm, so the missing time must be about 12:45pm.  Cost is
$24 for driver+car.  I got there mid-week at 2:10pm, missed the
5:15 ferry but was able to get on the 9:30 ferry.  If you are
bringing a camper the delay may be longer.  By the 9:30 ferry,
people had already parked and locked their cars for the 8:30am
ferry the next day.  So the bottom line is a wait of about 7hrs
to catch a ferry.  Nice ride, tho.  If you are going to see the
Olympic Penninsula, you have no choice but to wait.  The Anacortes
ferry only runs twice daily and is much longer; the BC ferry is the
best ride, goes every hour and is cheaper, but it takes 4hrs by
car from Port Angeles to reach Tswassen where the ferry departs.
  Victoria city is neat but the motels/B&Bs fill up quickly in town.
It might be easier on the outlying areas since manyof the tourists
go over on foot.  There are a couple of 'ok' motels up Douglas St.
(1800 block) that were not full.  Don't miss Parliment House,
The Empress Hotel ($200/night to stay, tho!), the museum, and Beacon
Hill Park (just south of the Empress).  Outside of town, see Buschart
Gardens (up route 17 close to Sidney); the Provincial park near the
center of Vancouver Island is nice for hiking.
  Port Angeles is a nothing town.  If it is clear, you might want to
ride over to Hurricane Ridge for a view of the Olympics.
  Have fun!  Washington and Oregon are great places to visit.
Arne



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When seeing the Columbia Gorge, make sure you see not only Multnomah Falls but
the other smaller falls along the scenic drive.  Also on the scenic drive is 
a famous landmark about 1000 feet above the Gorge with a "gorge"ous (sorry) view of
a large stretch of the Columbia River.

Stop in Ashland Oregon (just across the Oregon/California border) on the way up.
It is a quaint little town.

If you will be heading up the coastal route (101) through Oregon, stop in Cannon
Beach.

Portland is a great town.  The Portland Rose Gardens/Washington Park is great too.


Bill

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We just got back from a 10 day trip to Washington and Oregon.  Great
place to take a vacation!  Here our some highlights of our trip (starting
from the South):

1.  Avenue of the Giants - this is a beautiful scenic road through the
    redwood groves of northern california.  We stayed at the Miranda
    Garden Resort.  We found the place very relaxing.  Miranda is a very
    small town on the Avenue.  My wife thought the antique furniture
    in the cabins was neat.  Knight's Restaurant on the Avenue was a
    good place to eat.

2.  Jet Boat Tour - Gold Beach Oregon - my wife and I agreed that this
    was the best thing we did on the trip.  We took Jerry's Jet Boats
    6 hour cruise up the Rogue River.  You see all sorts of wildlife
    (we saw a couple of wild bears, river otters, beavers, blue herons, etc)
    and the boat ride isn't rough at all.

    We stayed at Ireland's Rustic Lodges in Gold Beach and we really liked
    this place.  We had our own semi-cabin and an ocean view.  My wife
    liked the beach access.  The Rod and Reel Restaurant in Gold Beach
    had very good shrimp.  I'm a shrimp lover, and I had shrimp about 4
    different places on our trip, and this was the best.

3.  Shore Acres State Park near Coos Bay - this state park is tough to
    find.  It isn't off of 101 - you have to take a side road - but it was
    the most beautiful of many beautiful state parks that we saw.  It
    has a very rugged coast line, with the waves crashing against the
    shore, and some beautiful flower gardens.

4.  Cape Perpetua Overlook - near Yachats, Oregon.  Off of the highway
    is a 2 mile drive up to the top of a mountain.  Here we were treated
    to our most extensive view of the coast - you could see for miles.

5.  House On The Hill Motel in Oceanside - This is a motel on top of
    a 300 foot cliff.  A great place to stay.  Out our window was a
    great ocean view - a bird sanctuary and a huge ocean rock were
    all within view.  The Hadley House Restaurant in Tillamook had an excellent
    barbequed salmon - Tillamook is a short drive from Oceanside.

6.  Ecola State Park - north of Cannon Beach.  From here you have a great
    view of Cannon Beach.  There are some picnic tables overlooking the
    beach and the ocean.

7.  Astoria area:

	a.  Columbia Maritime Museum - interesting history of the Columbia
	    River
	b.  Fort Stevens State Park - an interesting WWII museum is here,
            and the ocean view from the South Jetty is great.  We saw
            many surfers here.
        c.  Fort Clatsop National Monument - interesting display of Lewis
            and Clark's journeys

    We stayed at the Crest Motel in Astoria - this is outside of town and
    overlooks the Columbia River.  I"d recommend staying here rather than
    in town.

8.  Mt St Helens - try to get to the EAST side of the mountain to a spot
    called Windy Ridge.  If you go to the visitor's center off of I-5 you
    can't see much.  Windy Ridge is a 3 hour drive from the visitor's center,
    but if you plan it right you can save a lot of time by skipping the
    visitor's center and just head to the east side of the mountain via
    the back roads coming from the south.

    The view from Windy Ridge is the best you can get of Mt St Helens.  It
    is awesome.

9.  If you want to go to Victoria, stay the night at Port Angeles and catch
    an early morning ferry.  The Red Lion in Port Angeles is right next
    to the ferry stop.

    In Victoria Buchart Gardens is a must see spot.

We saw a bunch of more sights, but these are the highlights that I remember.
Have a good trip!

					Tim  att!druhi!tml

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In article <l6r5v1INNnfm@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
|>  If you have any great experiences on things that you have seen,
|> places you have stayed (e.g.,B&B's), restaurants you have been to, etc....
|> I would love to hear about it.

Mt. Hood near Portland, Oregon is spectacular.  I've stayed at a 
wonderful B&B in the town of Government Camp (right next to the mountain)
called Falcon's Crest B&B.  Another novel feature of Mt. Hood is
that you can ski there in the summertime.  They rent equipment and the
lifts will be running.

Enjoy!

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In article <l6r35mINNndq@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
> I will be taking a 12 day road trip starting from the 
>Bay Area and going up through Oregon and Washignton, with
>our final destination being Victoria on Vancouver Island.

Great trip!  My wife and I did the same trip a year ago.

> If you have any great experiences on things that you have seen,
>places you have stayed (e.g.,B&B's), restaurants you have been to, etc....
>I would love to hear about it.
>
>  So far, I would like to see: Columbia Gorge, Mount St Helens,
>Olympia Peninsula, Victoria. 
>
>  We pretty much want to sight-see, go antique shopping, see some
>countryside, etc.... , but no camping.  

Oh, too bad; there's lots of great camping.  Here are some other things
along the way:

The Oregon Coast is very beautiful.  I recommend taking 101 rather than
5 for at least one way in Oregon.  The Oregon Dunes are amazing and
worth seeing.  Many of the towns on the coast are basically artists'
colonies; there are some particularly good woodworkers.

Don't miss Mount Ranier National Park; it is very beautiful; given the
choice of Ranier or St. Helens (we saw both), I'd rather have missed
Mt. St. Helens.

Crater Lake is also worth seeing.



-- 
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu

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>   From your message, its sounds like you can park your car to reserve
> a spot on the next ferry. Is this true, and if so, can one then
> visit by foot Port Angeles or do something else locally while waiting
> 5-7 hrs?
yep.  you can park and look around.  There is a small museum up the
street, a walk along the shore, a 3-theatre movie house, some gift
shops and the like.  You can also rent a car at $10/hr and thereby
be able to get around even tho you are parked in line (for instance,
to go to Hurricane Ridge).

> Second question:
>   Also, is the wait somewhat shorter going from Victoria to Port Angeles?

  That one is a hard question.  When I went by the ferry terminal on
a Friday evening, there was one ferry loading and about a ferry's worth
of folks waiting for the next ferry.  My guess is that the wait is
about the same.  However, I'd prefer to wait in Victoria than Port
Angeles!
  Regarding the movie theater:  the evening shows start around 7pm
and finish in time for the 9:30 ferry.  $4/each.  There is also
supposed to be a Sat/Sun matinee but I didn't see any times posted.
It is a converted big screen 1950's vintage house, ok but not fancy.
Prices for late evening were $6/each.

Have fun!  Let me know if you need any more info.  I'm thoroughly
familiar with the east/west cascade region north of Seattle and
have been around the Olympic a couple of times.
  If you take in the Columbia River gorge, be sure to see the waterfalls
on the south side by Portland.
Arne
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In article <l6r35mINNndq@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
|
| I will be taking a 12 day road trip starting from the 
|Bay Area and going up through Oregon and Washignton, with
|our final destination being Victoria on Vancouver Island.

I did the same thing a few years ago although our final destination was
Port Alberni on Vancouver Island.

|  So far, I would like to see: Columbia Gorge, Mount St Helens,
|Olympia Peninsula, Victoria. 

|  We pretty much want to sight-see, go antique shopping, see some
|countryside, etc.... , but no camping.  

A couple things I'd suggest.  When you reach Cloverdale on hwy. 101 take
highway 128 towards the coast.  128 passes through Alexander Valley, a
beautiful valley in which the town of Booneville is centered.  Booneville
is an interesting town in that there was a real-life Hatfield vs McCoy like
fued there.  The area also featured it's own dialect "Boont" during those
times.  Alexander valley also has several good small wineries as does other
areas of Mendocino county.  From Alexander valley the road passes through
some extensive redwood groves and then hits the coast where it meets hwy 1.
Head north on hwy 1 and make a stop in Mendocino.  Continue up through
Ft. Bragg, the town in which I was born.  There are few things to do in 
Ft. Bragg, one of which is the Skunk train from Ft. Bragg to Willits.  The
Mendocino Brewing company is at the north end of town and is an excellent
brew-pub.  As you pass through town you'll see the "Grey Whale B&B Inn" on
the left.  Before it became a B&B it was a hospital, the hospital in which
I was born.  As the road continues past Ft. Bragg you'll drive along the 
coast and be able to enjoy some wonderful scenery before the road veers back
to hwy 101 at Leggett.  There is a redwood tree near Leggett that you can
drive through and the whole area is loaded with huge redwood trees.  You can
either head toward hwy. 5 at this point or continue up hwy 101 into Oregon.

When I drove up through Oregon we came up hwy. 5 and spent the night in 
Ashland.  I'd recommend doing the same.  Ashland is a really neat town.  A
bit of trivia:  There was a poster a few years ago of a "flasher" flashing
a old lady that didn't look very interested in what he had to offer.  The
flasher was a former mayor of Ashland.  Ashland also holds a large Shakespeare
festival and is generally a pretty arty town.  I didn't spend much time in
Oregon and we headed toward the coast near Portland.  This road crosses the
Columbia river near the coast and then heads up the Olympic peninsula.  It
was a neat road that ends up near Port Angeles.  I have some relatives that
live out near the northwestern most tip of Washington (you can see Vancouver
Island across the Puget sound from their backyard).  

You have two choices for getting to Vancouver Island from here.  One of the
ferries crosses from the city of Vancouver and goes to a little town up the
eastern coast of the island.  From there you'll have to drive a bit south
to get to Vancouver.  The other ferry runs from Port Angeles to Victoria.
We spent a night in Victoria and then headed up the island a ways.  We never
even made it to the world famous Bushart Gardens in Victoria.  Victoria is
a neat town though.  From Victoria we headed up to a place called Lake Cowachin
where we got a motel room that looked over the lake.  If I recall it was 
pretty reasonable but the weather was pretty yucky so we headed up further 
north to Port Alberni.  Port Alberni is a small town whose primary industry
is a paper mill.  The town is and the end of a long strait the comes in from
the western coast of the island.  It is a major salmon run and I saw several
35 lb.+ salmon caught.  There is also a tour boat that runs from Port Alberni
out to a little fishing village called Uclulet on the western coast.  The
boat (MV Lady Rose) runs a kayak/canoe shuttle service as well out to the 
broken islands (a group of ~100 small islands on the coast).  They stopped
off at a little dock and dropped off a group of 8 crazy canucks, four canoes
and *a lot* of beer.  From the dock they had their choice of ~100 islands to
camp on.  The boat tour by itself is worth the price of admission.  I saw four
bald eagles that day and on the way back from Uclulet (a charming little town)
we stopped shortly to observe a group of grey whales just off our starboard.

In any case, as you probably can tell I'd recommend going up Vancouver Island
aways and checking out the scenery there.  I took this trip about six years
ago and it's amazing the amount of detail I still remember about it.  I hope
this helps and enjoy your trip.
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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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I stayed at Falcon's Crest a few years ago, and I think the rate was 
about $70-$80 for a night (room for 2 with private bath and an
excellent breakfast the next morning).  We decided it was worth it.

--Scott

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From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
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This is kind of random, taken partly from a letter I wrote and some from my
Seattle file.  My husband and I took a week to drive up to the Seattle area
and back through Oregon over the Fourth of July holiday:

We stopped at Castle Crags on our way to Eugene on Thursday, July 2.
To work up an appetite for our lunch stop coming up in Weed (at the
local bowling alley where they have great fried hamburgers, thin French
fries and thick chocolate shakes!) we began the hike to Castle Dome.  We
didn't have time to go all the way to the top, but we did finally get a view
of the crags and worked up a good sweat.  Lunch in Weed was as I remembered
it from Memorial Day weekend of last year.  This time we met a woman who
was the sister-in-law of some hot shot sailer in the Bay Area.  I really
like to eat there because you get to hear "local" talk!  (Take the Central
Weed exit, a right on Main St., underneath sort of an arch, and the bowling
alley is on the right.)

On our return trip:

We had lunch in Bend after which we made a stop at a lava cave which we
hiked down into.  We didn't have flashlights so we rented a lantern from the
ranger and got our jackets from the car when we read that it was 40 degrees
down inside the cave.  It was a pretty boring interior as caves go.  No bats
or interesting rock formations, but it was huge.  Seemed to go on forever and
was usually very spacious.  We finally turned around when you came to a part
where you had to bend over and walk single file to continue through!  [I've
never stopped at the caverns near Shasta Lake.  They might be more
interesting.]

We cut over at Crater Lake and stopped at vista points there and along the
Rogue River on our way to Medford to get back to I-5 (John had had enough of
highway driving).  Made it to Redding by 10:30 that night and then just zipped
home the rest of the way on Thursday.  [I really recommend seeing Crater Lake
and the stretch of Hghwy 62 from Medford to the lake.  It's very beautiful.
Be sure to stop at both Natural Bridges and the Gorge viewpoints along the
river.  You can get enough of a view of the lake itself from the visitor's
center without driving around the entire lake, although there is a boat tour
available, if you have time.]

Here's my Seattle file:

The Pike Place Market (1st and Pike St.) is a fun place to explore (and to
eat!).  If you get there before around 10:30am, you may be able to find
parking down on Alaskan Way on the waterfront below the Market.  Then take
the stairs up to the Market and the downtown area.  This is ideal for a
Sunday, when parking at the meters is free.

The downtown area has a nice new shopping center called the Westlake Center.
(Look for the "walk through" fountain in the plaza out in front!)  From
there take the Monorail out to the Seattle Center.  There is the Science
Center (like San Francisco's Exploratorium - very hands on place for kids of
all ages), and an amusement park (in the summer), as well as the Space Needle.

Along the waterfront, look for the Seattle Aquarium which has a fish ladder
exhibit and which will be most active in September when the salmon are
running.  There is also a delicious sourdough bread bakery in that area.
Get fish and chips at the outdoor fishbar at Ivar's (just north of the
Winslow/Bremerton ferry terminal).  Great fish - lightly breaded instead of
coated in heavy batter, and piping hot.

Pioneer Square is a rebuilt part of the city with nice shops and eateries.
It's located a few blocks up from the ferry terminals.

Having grown up on Bainbridge, I can't help but recommend a ferry boat ride
on the Winslow ferry.  You can easily walk off the ferry to the Streamliner
Diner on Winslow Way (on your left as you head into Winslow), then catch the
next boat or so back to Seattle.  They are open for breakfast and lunch.  Be
prepared for a wait unless you get there right when they open (8am when I
went on Sunday, July 5, 1992).

I've never been to the place below (which is why I saved the post), but
it sounds like a lot of fun.
***************************************************************
Article 12114 of rec.travel:
>From: kevinf@agora.uucp (Kevin Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Neat Things to Do in the Seattle Area?
Keywords: Sightseeing, Seattle
Date: 27 Nov 90 12:11:26 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

Besides the obvious sights to see in Seattle, such as
Pike Street Market, Waterfront park, Old Town, or of course,
The Seattle Center (_do_ see Imax!),  my favorite spot to
visit is the 'organ pipe windmill park' (or whatever it's
called) at the National Oceanic and Atmostpheric Administration.
This is a bizarre little park sitting on the northwest side of
Lake Washington.  It consists of several small paths and
a bunch of windmills, each with a different length
organ pipe attached to it.  When the wind is blowing, the
effect is incredible.
It's also easy to locate:

 Traveling North on I-5, take the 45th street/U of W exit,
 travel east to Sand Point Way NE, which will eventually
 veer to the north.  NOAA will be located on the right
 just past a US Naval installation.
 The park is located to the southeast of the main buildings
 and just east of the South parking lot.

As for nice places to eat, wander around the
University neighborhood, just west of the U of W,
specifically: University way, south of 45 st.

Enjoy!
*****************************************************************
Here is my Victoria file:

Although I haven't been to the Gardens in the winter I'm told that they do
keep the garden in bloom regardless of the time of year. I've seen flowers
blooming in Victoria in the winter.

The standard things to do in Victoria are: The Royal B.C. Museum, Sealand,
Undersea gardens, Parliament Buildings, Craigdarroch Castle, Dominion
Observatory. I like to wander around downtown: the Market Square, Chinatown,
Government and Wharf St.

Rent a car. Victoria is nice, but the surrounding country side is
beautiful. The Marine Drive along the water front is nice and there are
three directions to drive out of town in to see the countryside: north up
highway 1 towards the Malahut, north along highway 17 (which you'll see
coming in from the airport) and west along highway 1A and 14 to Sooke.
Mt Tolmie and Mt Douglas offer terrific views.

There is a Tourism Victoria building a 5 min walk from the Empress:
        812 Wharf St (604) 382-2127

If you've got lots of money, the Sooke Harbour House is really nice. It's
about 40 mins along highway 14. They have an inn: all rooms have
fireplaces, most have jacuzzis, all have ocean views or balconies. Each
room is indiviually furnished and decorated by local artisians. Rooms range
from $ 195-240 CDN and include breakfast and lunch. I've had dinner there
and the food is all local, mostly seafood, elaborately prepared and
expensive. The dining rooms look out over the ocean, and you can wander the
herb gardens afterwards and look at were your dinner came from. For all
it's expense it still maintains a casual atmosphere; you don't *need* to
wear a jacket and tie to dinner.

You can particiate in most sports year round. It's a hard drive to get to
Mount Washington up island for a day of skiing; you'd probably want to take
a least 2 days. You can scuba dive all year round and the diving in
Victoria is fabulous.  There are numerous public golf courses.

My parents just went home after visitng me for the first time here, and
I've basically outline their trip. We drove and wandered.
------
Katherine Franklin                      franklin@uvicctr.uvic.ca
University of Victoria                  franklin@uvunix.bitnet
Victoria, BC, Canada
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Article 14445 of rec.travel:
From: kuijt@alv (David Kuijt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Visiting British Columbia
Date: 3 Apr 91 20:42:30 GMT
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Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md., College Park, MD 20742

chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) asks about things to see in British
Columbia (Vancouver and Victoria)
>
>Any suggestions on things to do and see? No miss places? We day tripped to
>Victoria last year and loved it, so we'll be spending a piece of time there,
>plus a trip to Butchart Gardens is a must (we didn't get there last year)
>but other suggestions for things to do on this (admittedly short and
>incomplete) trip are welcome.
>

Butchart Gardens is certainly nice, but my favorite thing in Victoria is
the Provincial Museum ("of Natural History" ?I think?).  It has a wealth
of coastal indian artifacts and a plethora of other things, focussing on
the flora, fauna, history (prehistoric through modern), etc. of the coast.
It has some of the best diorama-style displays I have seen--the coastal
rain forest is tremendous.

The Provincial Museum is  right in the center of Victoria--about 100 yards
from the bus station, downtown, near the docks and the Parliament buildings.
I would plan on spending at least 3-4 hours in the museum (your legs may
get tired after that).  There is some exorbitant fee ($6?) to enter.

If you have the time, Pacific Rim National (or is it Provincial?) Park is
gorgeous.  It is about 5 hours drive North of Victoria (2 hours north,
then 3 hours Northwest--I don't remember roads).  On the way you can see
the Tall Trees National Park--a stand of untouched climax Douglas Fir
that are too huge to believe.  They are almost the only survivors of a
forest fire that burned down most of the Island some 500 years ago.
When you get to Pacific Rim Park, you will find that it is really 4 or 5
stops several miles apart along the road to Tofino (a tiny hamlet at the
end of the world).  One of these stops is the actual real coastal rain
forest, and it is absolutely spectacular.

When you ferry to Vancouver, be sure and look for Bald Eagles fishing in
Active Pass.  Active Pass is a very tight S curve pass between Saltspring
Island and ----- (I can't remember the name).  It is the only route from
Vancouver to Victoria.  It is a very tight squeeze.  It is also very deep,
and the tide rips through there, stirring up lots of deep-water fish.  This
(and the high cliffs overlooking it) make it a favorite fishing ground for
Eagles and Seals.  About half the times I have taken the ferry I have seen
them.

I am getting homesick just thinking about it, and this will keep you busy
enough.  In my (admittedly biassed) view, there is no place on earth as
fair as coastal British Columbia.

      David Kuijt
      (born in Vancouver, but now on the wrong coast, where they
      don't have no mountains and they talk funny :-)
      kuijt@alv.umd.edu
**************************************************************************
Let me know if you have any specific questions.  If you belong to AAA you
can get maps and tour books for free from them.

linda@net.com (no matter what it says in the "From:" line)


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If you wish to get to Victoria from Pt.Angeles

get to the ferry terminal early (if you are

driving).. if you are walking on-- worry not!

colin newell

Univ. Of Victoria
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I was there for a very rushed visit this summer.  I was very impressed with
Vancouver - one can easily spend a week here, but do give it at least 2-3 days.
Things to see/do: hang around Robson Square - the place was humming with
activity late into the night; check out the UBC campus and the museum of
anthropology; Canada Place; Gas Town; Chinatown; Stanley Park etc. etc.

I wasn't that thrilled with Victoria. The BC Provincial Museum is nice, as
are the Butchart Gardens.

Take the ferry from Victoria (Sidney BC) to Anacortes WA.  It's a great
leisurely 3 hour ride that goes through the San Juan Islands.  Spectacular 
scenery.

Have a good trip.  If you get multiple responses, please summarize to the
net.

Rajeev

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In article <l6r5v1INNnfm@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
>with our final destination being Victoria on Vancouver Island.
Don't stop there -- see more of the Island (Chemainus murals,
Parksville beaches, Tofino/Ucluelet/Pacific-Rim-National-Park).
>
>Olympia Peninsula, Victoria. 
The capital city of Washington State is "Olympia".
The peninsula is the "Olympic" peninsula.
>
>p.s. I have heard that getting on the ferry from Port Angeles (sp?)
>to Victoria is difficult and crowded. Any pointers on how to make
>this as easy as possible? I will be there at the end of July.
Ferry departs from P.A. at 8:30, 12:45, 5:15, and 9:30.
You shouldn't have any difficulty if your car is in the line-up
about 2 hours ahead of the sailing-time, but many R.V.'ers make
the 8:30 sailing quite full, because they park overnight!

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> In rec.travel, pasturel@albi.EBay.Sun.Com (Pierre Pasturel) writes:
>
>   p.s. I have heard that getting on the ferry from Port Angeles (sp?)
>   to Victoria is difficult and crowded. Any pointers on how to make
>   this as easy as possible? I will be there at the end of July.


I would recommend taking the ferry from Anacortes and not from Port Angeles.
The San Juan Islands are very beautiful.  From Victoria you might want to 
take the Canadian Ferry system to Vancouver and visit Stanley Park.

Have a good trip.

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> thanks for the information and the correction (Olympic Pen.)
> 
> BTW, what is public transportation like on the Island, in case
> I decide to leave my car at Port Angeles?? I would like to visit
> at least the Buschart Gardens, but certainly, if I have time, visit
> other parts of the island. Will public transportation work for me
> to do this?
> 
Victoria is quite tourist-oriented,
so you can either get a "tour bus excursion" to Butchart Gardens,
or, for less money, but more inconvenience, you can take public-transit
to/from there.

It's only about $25 (US) to take your car (one-way) onto the Coho ferry
(Port Angeles to Victoria), and about $5 per person,
so, I recommend that you bring the car.
It will let you get out of town, and see the nice spots (Fort Rodd Hill Park),
East Sooke Regional Park, the outdoor murals in Chemainus, the Forest Museum
in Duncan, etc.

By all means, get a good road-map of Victoria!
The roads are spaghetti, and the only saving-grace is that
you can only drive for about 10 minutes (from any starting point)
and you'll either be at your destination, or at the waterfront!

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Pierre,
  Lake Quinault is ok.  I can't remember where the best
rain forest walk is -- I'll get my Wash state map tomorrow.
Remember, the area above Aberdeen gets 100+ inches of rain
per year, so expect precipitation.
  If you are the adventurous type, buy the Washington state
map book (deLorme); it has all the little roads and lesser known
spots marked and has a very good guide in the front about drives,
hikes, etc.
  Be back with you on Friday.
Arne

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Recommendation from a native Oregonian: see the coast - Northern
Californian/Southern-mid-Oregon. Takes you a little off of I-5, but
not much. No swimming, but you have fantastic scenery, tidepools, and
walks.

Alan M

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Here's some places you may want to contact before your trip.
I'm also trying to start info files for Seattle, Vancouver and
Victoria so if you get good info please forward it to me.  Thanks!

Best of luck,
Laurel
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Laurel Cheap           University of Washington   lcheap@u.washington.edu
Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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Seattle/Western Washington Tourist Information:
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Washington State Tourism Information
(800)544-1800

Seattle-King County Convention & Visitors Bureau    visitors guide, lodging
520 Pike Street, Suite 1300			    guide, calendar of events,
Seattle WA 98101-4003				    coupon book
(206)461-5800

Visitor Information Center / Downtown Seattle
Washington State Convention & Trade Center
800 Convention Place
Seattle WA
(206)461-5840

Bellevue/East King County Convention & Visitors Bureau
515-116th NE
Bellevue WA
(206)455-1926

Bremerton/Kitsap County Visitor & Convention Bureau
120 Washington Ave, Suite 101
Bremerton WA 98310
(206)479-3588

North Olympic Peninsula Visitors and Convention Bureau
(800)942-4042

Ocean Shores-Grays Harbor County Visitors & Convention Bureau
P.O. Box 1447
Ocean Shorea WA
(800)874-6737

University of Washington
Visitors Information Center
4014 University Way NE
Seattle WA 98195
(206)543-9198

Washington State Hotel & Motel Association
6100 Southcenter Blvd, Suite 310
Seattle WA
(206)242-9244

Major Seattle Events (1992):
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Bumbershoot   Sept 4-7, 1992       (206)684-7337
Seafair Week  July 24-Aug 2, 1992  (206)728-0123

Seattle Attractions:
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Puget Sound Attractions Council		free "Seattle Favorites" vacation
2200 Sixth Ave, Suite 804		guide brochure
Seattle WA
(206)443-1244

Pacific Science Center
200 2nd Ave North
Seattle Center
Seattle WA
(206)443-2001

Pike Place Market

Pioneer Square

Seattle Aquarium
Pier 59, 1483 Alaskan Way
Waterfront Park
Seattle WA 98121
recorded info: (206)386-4320
(206)386-4300

Seattle Center
305 Harrison Street
Seattle WA
(206)684-8582
(206)684-7200

Space Needle
5th Ave N & Thomas St.
Seattle Center
Seattle WA
(206)443-2100

Woodland Park Zoo
5500 Phinney Ave N
Seattle WA
(206)684-4800

Ferries:
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Washington State Ferries	Seattle-Winslow		Anacortes-Lopez-San
801 Alaskan Way			Seattle-Bremerton          Juan Islands
Seattle	WA			Edmonds-Kingston	Anacortes-Sidney,BC
(800)542-7052			Mukilteo-Clinton
(206)464-6400			Port Townsend-Keystone

Black Ball Transport Inc.	Port Angeles-Victoria, BC
10777 Main
Bellevue WA
(206)622-2222

Seacat Victoria			Seattle-Victoria
(206)343-5555

Victoria Clipper (passenger only)  Seattle-Victoria
Pier 69, 2701 Alaskan Way
Seattle WA 98121
(206)448-5000
(800)888-2535

National Parks:
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National Parks and Forests
Outdoor Recreation Information Center
915 Second Ave, Room 442
Seattle WA 98174
(206)553-0170

State Parks:
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Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission
7150 Cleanwater Lane, KY-11
Olympia WA 98504
(800)562-0990

BC Tourist Information:
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Tourism British Columbia
Vancouver BC
(800) 663-6000

Tourism Association of Vancouver Island
302-45 Bastion Sq.
Victoria BC
(604)382-3551

Vancouver Travel InfoCentre
1055 Dunsmuir Street
Post Office Box 49296
Vancouver BC Canada V7X 1L3
(604)683-2000
hotel reservations: (800)888-8835



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Rajeev Jog
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