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From: rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:37:45 GMT

In article <16qvuiINN2lk@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM writes:
>> There has been quite a bit of talk about teh american olympic baskeball

.... bullshit deleted.
>> I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
>> played.
>
>> They even look better on paper
>
>OK, now we are starting to get silly.
>
>> Luc Longely is aparently one of the biggest stars in the N.B.A
>
>Where did you hear that from? I don't think anyone who follows the NBA considers

 We don't get much coverage of the NBA down here in Aust, so please forgive this person for his ignorance and lack of intelligence.   You see, in Aust wee are   fed this bullshit called the NBL, where players like Gaze can average 40points against very mediocre opposition (ie.. players with no clues on defense.)   
When people who watch alot of the NBL try to compare it to the little they see oof the NBA, of course they will get a little confused. 


>Longley's rookie campaign to be an impressive one. Mediocre is being charitable.
Why don't you post the man his stats, then he could comment on Longley's 
brilliant rookie season.   But then again, why was your time. 
>
>> Andrew Gaze scores 44ppg as opposed to MJ 29ppg
>
>This doesn't even deserve a reply.

I won't bother replying to this ethier.  (by the way, Gaze averages around the 
 mid 30ppg)

>
>> You will probably read tyhis and think that it is B.S but I what both leagues
>> you probably haven't seen the ausralians play.  

I watch both leagues (well not too much NBL), so I have seen the australians
play.   They seem to perform well against teams that can't match them for heightbut seem to crack under pressure against the more power teams.  They are just
outside the talent of the  major European teams, and definitely no match for theDream team.   They are probably on par with Spain, Brazil and P.Rico. 
>
>And if the Aussie team was so good, where were they in the medal round? Just wondering.

Their sixth place was a true indication of where Australian basketball standard
lies.

O.G
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
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Subject: Re: Race and Speed (was Re: Debunking the standard myth)
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:54:35 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 1690kfINNiq8@seven-up.East.Sun.COM, bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy) writes:

>environment, you live in a dream world. People from similar backgrounds respond
>to stimulus in different ways.  In high school I was the Cross Country and Track team
>captain and thus I was largely responsible for the team's training.  If you take a group
>of ten people of roughly the same height and build and the same athletic background
>(say none) and put them through an identical training program, you will find that
>each person progresses at a different rate. Why? Because each person is genetically
>unique. The same is true in the class... take people of the same age and similar
>backgrounds and teach them some new concept. Some will pick it up easily; some will
>have to work much harder to understand. 

Up until now, everything you're saying seems quite compelling. However, adhereing to
this last assertion seems extremely dangerous. If I understand you correctly (don't
go orbital if I'm not), you're implying that different races 
have genetic trends that affect their ability to perform certain tasks like,
say, a 100m dash. If this were true, why stop with the fast-twitch muscles of West
Africans? Several years ago a researcher (I believe at Stanford) contended that
blacks were genetically less intelligent than whites and more recently speculated
that Asians have genetic tendencies towards intelligence than whites. If one can
assume that someone is more likely to be a faster sprinter do to their ethnicity,
then you could say the same about their likelyhood to be learn faster, have better
memories, be even-tempered, etc. I'm sure I don't need to elaborate on the dangers
of making such assumptions.

>I don't know why I'm even bothering since you're probably old and set in your ways
>and will just ignore the parts you don't like and the pick apart the rest and just blindly
>flame away. Go on living in your little dream world. Have a nice day.


Michael Wong.
msw10@ras.amdahl.com
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: Retraction, regarding Karl Malone
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.181857.1624@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.125941.17605@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>>scorers, Ainge-biters, and so on.  Who was the best big
>>forward?
			.
			.
			.
>So who is the top Big Forward? Tough question.... My vote goes to K. McHale.
>
>McHale invented more inside moves than Malone has, unless Karl is saving 
>some for when he stops getting all those calls. He is a potent shot blocker and
>a very good rebounder.
			.
			.
			.
Two things you neglected:  McHale is generally a smart
defender (in contrast to some of the other points you
made, surely being alongside Johnson, Parish, and Bird
promoted this), although I thought sometimes I'd see
laziness; and I remember him as quite entertaining as
a trailer.  How many times would one of the guards miss
a tough shot on a fast break, only to have McHale come
crashing through the middle about 0.8 seconds later for
an unambiguous, although unphotogenic, dunk?  Tangential-
ly, folks need to remember that Parish has been *fast*
for a big man.  He didn't often break, but he looked good
when he did.  Maybe he still does.

Yeah, McHale gets my vote.

How well did Bob Pettit defend?
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:30:25 GMT

ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:

>In article <BsvzI5.LBy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>
>>>	Florida
>>>	Starter 		Backup
>>>Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)	
>>>				Mychal Thompson
>>>PF	Douglas Edwards		Livingston Chatman
>>>SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
>>				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>				Is this Tito Horford you're talking about?

>I thought Tito went to UMiami? I'm thinking of the white kid who was the senior
>leadership of the Chris Jackson/Shaq/Stanley Roberts teams. I can't remember
>his name but he had a solid all-around game and always seemed to get that key 
>rebound or make the clutch shot. 

	Yep -- you're right.  You're thinking of Ricky Blanton.  He played
	with CJ one year, but was before the Shaq/Stanley era.

>Where was Sean Kemp from? 

	Kemp hails from Indiana.

	Jazzy J

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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic status?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:26:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug18.192606.3452
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <4642@news.duke.edu>, radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
|> What is the current status on Magic Johnson's return to the NBA?  A friend
|> just told me that he was definitely coming back to the Lakers, which 
|> certainly stunned me.  I had understood that he might come back, pending
|> approval from his doctor and his wife, but nothing was yet certain.  So
|> who's right? My friend or myself?
|> 
|> --Rob Clough

You are both right sort of.. His return is subject to approval of doctor and
wife, but it also seems pretty damn definite... and as Larry Bird says it,
"Magic WILL come back."

-- Venk Redy --
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From: hillyard@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Sean Edward Hillyard,F7 Clark,50649,)
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Originator: hillyard@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:48:29 GMT

From article <1992Aug22.211442.9795@msc.cornell.edu>, by hillyard@msc.cornell.edu:
> 
> In attempting to balance his results, Hunter noted that a 1969 study in the
> journal _Ergonomics_ found that blacks actually had less anaerobic power than
> whites.  What he failed to point out, and perhaps even to recognize, was
> that the _Ergonomics_ study compared a group of Italians with a group of
> _Kenyans_.  Indeed, many of the Kenyan subjects came from the Nandi and

    I just noticed this part got mangled somehow, the missing part (in
    case anyone actually made it this far).

Kikuyu tribes, famed for their distance running but scarecely noted for
their sprinting (anaerobic power).  From running results alone, we would
expect these Kenyans to score low on any test of anaerobic power.

I mention this only because it highlights an important point:  The word
"black" provides little information about anyone or any group.  Of the

> 100,000 genes that determine human makeup, only one to six regulate 
> skin color,
> so we should assume almost nothing about anyone based on skin color alone.
> West Africans and East Africans are both black, but in many physical ways 
> they
> are more unlike each other than they are different from most whites.
> 
> [...]
> __________________
> 
> 
> 
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Olympics: 1956,'84,'92...Will History Repeat Itself?!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:26:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.143728.1@abo.fi> mlindroos@abo.fi writes:

>> Conversely, you could take the best players from, say, California
>> or New York, population roughly 30 million, and field a team that would contend
>> for the gold. Or better still, you could take a track team from the LA metro 
>
>You'll get no argument from me here. Perhaps Croatia vs. Alabama would be more
>fair:-)

      Okay, yet another dream team!  The Alabama dream team:

F  Charles Barkley (Auburn)
F  Chuck Person (Auburn)
C  Derrick McKey (Alabama)
G  Jim Farmer (Alabama)
G  T.R. Dunn (Alabama)

Bench:

Terry Catledge (U South Alabama)
Chris Morris (Auburn)
Alan Ogg (Alabama-Birmingham)
Buck Johnson (Alabama)
Michael Ansley (Alabama)
Keith Askins (Alabama)

Coach:  Gene Bartow (Alabama-Birmingham)

     Okay, you're going to say the team lacks height at center.  But McKey
has played center on occasion and Barkley could probably handle all but
the top 5 or so NBA centers.  If real height is needed, put in 7'+ Alan
Ogg.
     Guard, especially point guard, is a bigger problem.  Again, McKey
has played some guard for the Sonics, including point guard.   I bet 
Barkley could do okay as a shooting guard -- you wouldn't want him at guard 
against NBA competition, but against Olympic competition I think he'd still 
be devastating.
     Croatia vs Alabama:  I pick Alabama by 10.
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:14:51 GMT

Just thought I would 'update' my NC team.

PG: Michael Jordan (Wilmington)
    Eric "Sleepy" Floyd (Gastonia)

SG: Walter Davis (Pineville) 
    Gerald Wilkins (Washington) 

SF: James Worthy (Gastonia)
    Dominique Wilkins (Washington)

PF: Danny Manning (Greensboro)
    Buck Williams (Rocky Mount)

C:  Brad Daugherty (Black Mountain)
    Charles Shackeford (Kinston)

I'm not sure that Buck Williams played high-school bball in NC, but
otherwise I am pretty sure.

This is a pretty strong team, though I'd be amazed if one from Illinois 
(hell, Chicago for that matter) or NY wouldn't beat it...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:58:32 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

>NORTH CAROLINA  starter                 backup
>
>Center          Brad Daugherty          Mark West (Old Dominion)
>PF              James Worthy            J. R. Reid
>SF              Walter Davis            Billy Cunningham
>SG              Michael Jordan          David Thompson (NC State)
>PG              Phil Ford               ?

Phil Ford was a great player, but I don't think he was really a great
PG.  I remember him doing most of the shooting for the team.  Oh well,
I guess great PGs are hard to notice unless they're great shooters too.

Didn't UCLA have an outstanding player from North Carolina during the
Alcindor era?  Wasn't it Shackleford or Allen or Warren?

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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
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Subject: Re: Lithuania team T-shirts, etc.
Keywords: Lithuania, Grateful Dead, T-shirts, Warriors
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:03:06 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug18.014110.25969@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>
>Nelson mentioned that two members of the Unified team were Latvians.  These
>two players were heavily criticized in all the Baltic states.  They chose
>to play for the Unified team so that they could receive better exposure
>and obtain an overseas contract.  This worked as one of these players, Gunters,
>obtained a tryout with the Timberwolves.
>
Not only did the T'wolves give Gunters a look-see, they gave him a multi-year
contract!!!

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

Olympic trivia quiz--which teams had the rights to the most players in the 
Olympic basketball tourney??

The Chicago Bulls, and the Minnesota Timberwolves!!
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From: vreddy@pappus.uucp (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:57:49 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug21.212650.9388@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> Hmmmm.....   It is obvious that one North Carolinian GOD outweighs twenty 
>>|> Michigan NBA players anytime.  :-)
>>|> 
>>|> 
>>
>>In the immortal words of Red Auerbach (I think it was Red) :
>>
>>"The NBA will see another Michael Jordan long before it sees another Larry Bird."
>>or Magic Johnson for that matter....
>>
>>-- Venk --
>
>And you truly fell for everything they said in that press conference.
>Don't immortalize the silly quote !! It's stupid and
>very immature on anybody's part to say something like that. 
>Magic has more championship rings than Larry, and Michael has just begun
>his count. Even Magic and Michael's stats are more impressive.  
>The Bulls totally depend on Michael to be #1 and magic's retirement pulled down
>the Lakers from #2 in the league ('91) to total disaster last season. As
>far as I see it, the Celts are going to be mired in mediocrity for atleast
>the next 3-4 seasons just as they have been in the last 4 seasons. 
>If you are going to argue that Bird played with more heart than any other
>player the argument doesn't hold water, being very subjective in nature.
>I agree that Larry Bird is probably the best white player in the history
>of the game .. But to say very casually that he is a level above
>Michael, Magic and others is plain BS.
>
>
>Harry
>
> 

If only I had some water to put out these flames. Perhaps you
overlooked my "or Magic for that matter...". It's too bad Red didn't 
say the quote with Magic's name in it because it would've lowered
this flame. I personally think Magic is better, but unfortunately, I 
couldn't quote Red that way, so I did it this way. I personally think
that there WILL be another Michael before another Magic (leaving Bird
out of it to avoid another unnecessary flame), because there WILL be
better athletes, which I think Michael is the best of in the NBA right
now, even though I don't like him, but I think Magic is indeed the
SMARTEST player I have ever seen play in the NBA, and truly SMART
players with eyes all around their heads aren't as easy to find as
great athletes (although I admit Jordans aren't easy to find either).
I hope that clears it up...

-- Venk --
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Angola
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:54:17 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <Bt70y2.89E@ecf.toronto.edu> yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy) writes:
>I am a visa student from Angola and I am going to tell you something that will 
>upset many of you, specially in the US, but I swear to you over my grandfather 
>Kunta Abooba's grave, it is true. The reason our national team lost to the 
>Dream Team was because our team did not have enough time to prepare for the 
>games due to a tribal warfare in our countryside and some of our key players 
>were badly injured and could not make it to Barcelona.  The game was very close
>until the Charles Barkley elbow.  His intimidating style of play affected our   team morale; such hooliganism should not be allowed in international play.      Without all those problems, our team would have defeated the Dream Team since 
>we are superior technically specially in defense as you would know if you 
>watched our national league. 

Jimmy,

Bryant Gumbel and I have just returned from 3 week thru Africa where
Bryant broke his wrist by playing a pick-up game in a small village
with the one of the best journeymen players that didn't quite make it
onto the Olympic Team.  I must say I was quite impressed by their
basketball knowldge,ability and finesse. I must say that such world-class
raw talent must not be go unnoticed by the NBA. I suggest you try to
get in touch with a fellow with a huge smile by the name of David Stern
who resides in NYC,USA and let him know about this well-kept secret.
Offer him an idea to have next year's McDonald's Open to be held in
Angola and see if he bites....

-Mark
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From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
Subject: Re: Detlef talks trade
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:58:14 GMT

In article <Bt1CvH.2FK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John D. Mraz) writes:
>It was reported 2 days ago in the Chicago Tribune that Detlef Schrempf
>of the Indiana Pcaers is demanding that his contract be restructured or
>else be traded.  He currently is in the fourth year of a 10-year guaranteed
>contract, paying him $1.2 million this year. Rik Smits, Reggie Miller and
>Chuck Person are paid more than he. Detlef averaged 17 points and 9 rebounds
>per game last year.  GM Donnie Walsh says the team has no intentions of
>trading him, and won't restructure the contract as the team is at its 
>salary cap limit.
>    As a Pacers fan, I think Detlef is justified in  his complaints, but
>    needs to realize the salary cap limitations. If Indiana wanted to trade
>    him, they could get an awful lot for him. I'm still upset the Pacers
>    haven't made any moves to help the team.
>


Yes, but why did Detlef sign the long term contract in the first place?
It was obviously for long term security, for both him and the Pacers.  
Clearly, if he had turned out to be a bust, the Pacers would have been on
the hook to take care of his contract anyway.  Now that he has turned out
to be pretty good, he wants his contract renegotiated.  He probably will
end up having that happen, but IMO doesn't deserve it, since when he signed
a long term deal, he went for security, KNOWING THE RISKS.

Peter Granic

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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Keywords: I'ts over
Organization: ^$
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Ed,
>
>  It's time we finally settle this dispute.  I'm sure that normal people on
>the net are getting sick and tired of reading endless posts from the two
>of us about a meaningless situation.  ^^^^^^^

 Have normal people actually been reading this?

>--
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>VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge,
>uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
>davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
>
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Portland offers Mario Elie big pay increase
Keywords: Elie, Portland, Trailblazers
Date: 12 Aug 92 03:52:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.035220.15648
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:

>Plus the Warriors have just paid out $1.2 million per year for three years to
>Jeff Grayer from the Bucks.  Grayer pretty much plays the same position as Elie
>and Nelson feels that Grayer is the better player.

Besides it's one more shot that Nelson can take at the Bucks.

>I wonder if Portland fans think this is a good move.  Elie is an inspirational
>player.  He is a pretty good defender, and can be counted on for about 10
>points per game if he gets the playing time.  He scores most of his points
>going to the hoop, but does not have any kind of jump shot.  If he gets
>enough time to set up, he can hit some long set shots.   He usually plays
>better in big games, and was instrumental in the Warriors' playoff appearances
>the last couple of seasons.

I think he should be a good backup for Drexler.  If the Blazers sign
Strothers and play him and Murray, that should be the long-ball shooters
for the Blazers right there.  The Blazers need a slasher to take the
pass from Strickland, or play tough defense when Drexler gets tired.
Dave Johnson is a rookie, an unsigned rookie, and I don't think that the
Blazers want to try and fill Ainge's shoes with a rookie.  The Blazer
bench is looking pretty young at this point anyway.  There's a limit to
how many first or second year guys you want.

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