HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eric@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Eric Tend)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jackie Chan Movies
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:19:00 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.

In rec.martial-arts, shan@wam.umd.edu (Jake) writes:

>If anybody out there in netland could kindly please e-mail me the movies Jackie
>Chan did.  And I mean the whole list.  Thanks.  shan@rac1.wam.umd.edu is my
>address.

The Jackie Chan filmography :

   Little Tiger from Canton, 1971, a
   New Fist of Fury, 1976, a
   Shaolin Wodden Men, 1976, a
   Killer Meteor, 1977, a
   Snake-Crane Art of Shaolin, 1977, a
   To Kill with Intrigue, 1977, a
   Half a Loaf of Kung Fu, 1977, a
   Magnificent Bodyguard, 1978, released in 3-D, a
   Spiritual Kung Fu, 1978, a
   Dragon Fist, 1978, a
   Snake in the Eagle's Shadow, 1978, a, w
   Drunken Monkey in the Tiger's Eyes, 1979, a, w
   Fearless Hyena, 1979, a, w, d
   The Young Master, 1980, a, w, d
   Island on Fire, 19??, a (made back when his hair was "Young Master" long,
			    it was re-released to cash in on his star quality)
   The Big Brawl, 1980, a
   The Cannonball Run, 1981, a
   Dragon Lord, 1982, a, w, d, p
   Winners and Sinners, 1983, a
   The Cannonball Run - Part 2, 1983, a
   Project "A", 1983, a, w, d, p
   Wheels on Meals, 1984, a
   The Protector, 1985, a
   Twinkle, Twinkle, Lucky Stars, 1985, a
   First Mission, 1985, a
   My Lucky Stars, 1985, a
   Police Story, 1985, a, w, d, p
   Armor of God, 1986, a, w, d, p
   Heart of the Dragon, 1986, a
   Project "A" - Part II, 1987, a, w, d, p
   Dragon's Forever, 1987, a
   Police Story, Part 2, 1988. a, w, d, p
   Miracle (a.k.a. Mr. Chan and Lady Rose?), 1989, a, w, d, p
   Armor Of God, Part 2, 1990, a, w, d, p

   Double Dragon, 1991, a, w, d, p?  (not sure about this one)
   Super Cop: Police Story III, 1992, a, w, d?, p?  (not sure about this one)

   KEY => a : actor, w : writer, d : director, p : producer


   Many are available at your local Chinese or Japanese video store and some
   of his older material is dubbed and released by an American distributor.

   Most of this filmography list was taken from the S.F. International Film
   Festival 1989 catalog, where Jackie was showcased and was the guest of
   honor for that year.  They showed a tribute featuring one hour of
   action/comedy clips from several of his films and also a few of his
   feature length films. I was a great event to hear (through an interpreter)
   and see him live.

   --Eric
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)
Subject: Re: New Movies...
Originator: jmcocker@c00568-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)
Organization: Super-Secret Alien Invasion Force
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:04:29 GMT


In article <92249.163934MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mitch Lewars
<MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

|>
|>Anyone go out and see the new Brandon Lee movie
|>that just came out?  What're peoples opinions,
|>concerning his "performance"..?
|>Anyone know what style(s) he studies..?
|>(Gotta admit I liked the way he handled himself
|>in SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO...  even if the movie
|>wasn't quit the best... plot-wise, or much else..)
|>
|>Any information would be much appreciated.
|>   Take it e-z all..
|>
|>(Reply or send mail to MAL112@PSUVM.PSU.EDU)
|>
|>[He who admits what he doesn't know, is at least true to himself.]
|>

I don't know what style B.L. studies, but I do remember a reaction I
had to SHOWDOWN when I rented the tape.  It's the scene in Dolph's pad
in the country, with the yakuza surrounding them and the girl - Brandon 
turns to Dolph and says (paraphrased) "If we don't make it through this,
I want you to know that you have the biggest dick I have ever seen on a man."

I promptly fell out my seat laughing hysterically at this smidgen of dialogue.
I had to rewind the tape a bit because I laughed through the next two minutes
of the movie.

Mitch ----------------------> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti)
Subject: TKD in olympics
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:28:46 GMT

I have it on reliable sources that TKD will again be in the olympics
in 1996. So those that thought it was out, start training. It will
probably be a full sport this next time.

--
   Terry L. Pinotti       |  Compuserve = 76357,746 
Pinotti Consulting, Inc.  |  uunet tp0001@medtronic.com
    2832 Laport Dr.       | past 1 st degree Goju Ryu
Mounds View, MN 55112     | past 1 st degree Tang Soo Do
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: groundfighting
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <18th9bINNipb@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>Just that, in my mind, "a mobile position" is something of an oxymoron.

	I was using "mobile" in the tactical sense:  A person on their feet is
more mobile than one on the ground in that they can alter their position in
space to a much greater degree and more quickly.

									wr
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.movies
From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:36:54 GMT


Just saw a Van Damne movie, Double Impact.  He plays two brothers separated
when the were a year old.  One grows up in the USA in California and the other
on the streets in Hong Kong.  All in all I liked the movie.  And I still think
he has a great  stretch, I just wonder can he really fight.....

Anyone know if Van Damne holds a rank in any style (I am sure some style) and
if he ever competed?

thanks

stan

--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>==*==<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<>                                                                           <>
<>     .-----.      Stanley R. Krystek, Jr., Ph.D.               .-----.     <>
<>    / \   / \     Bristol-Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical         / \   / \    <>
<>   /   \ /   \    Research Institute                         /   \ /   \   <>
<>   ----- -----    Department of Macromolecular Modeling      ----- -----   <>
<>   \   / \   /    P.O. Box 4000    Room H.3812               \   / \   /   <>
<>    \ /   \ /     Princeton, N.J.  08543-4000                 \ /   \ /    <>
<>     `-----'                                                   `-----'     <>
<>                  (609) 252-4100  FAX: (609) 252-6030                      <>
<>                  INTERNET:  krystek@bms.com                               <>
<>                                                                           <>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>==*==<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Comparing styles - which one is best? 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:33:26 +0000


In article <memo.613814@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>I haven't been reading this news group (extended dojo) for very long
>but it does seem that alot of comparison between arts does go on.
>
>Although I believe that it is a nonsense to compare arts with a view
>to deciding which is "best", these discussions do tend to yield a huge
>amount of information about the various arts. Therefore we all learn a
>great deal which is the main reason (at least for me) that we are
>here. Take for instance the boxing vs kicking thread, I've learned much
>about boxing that I would not have learned elsewhere.
>
>
A very good point.  Too many martial artists never find out that there
are other points of view and other approaches to the same problems.
Anothers person art may not suit one, but knowing something about it
at least gives you some insight into it, and probably some appreciation
of it.

Keep the discussions going about how different arts compare, but lets
keep them going on a comparative basis, and not on a MY ART IS BIIGER
THAN YOUR ART basis.  They all have something to offer.

Nigel
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Nigel Backhurst ( nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk )
c/o 88 Ashburton Road, Hugglescote, Coalville, LE6 2LX, U.K.
p/a IE Technical Services Holland, Deventerstr 150, 7321 CE Apeldoorn
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: tai chi push hands
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:42:56 EST

Richard,

Aside from what Wu'ers in Toronto call 2-hand offset (fixed step) and
freestyle (moving step), what pattern exercises do you use?

Elliott Chapin
---
  DeLuxe 1.12 #4315  elliott.chapin@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Savate and Muay Thai ramblings
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:13:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep15.105753.9574@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00njhavert@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>
>	I've studied both. Mostly savate and a bit of thai (just the
>bare basics really - stance, kicking, elbows and knees, and baiting).
>	They're both great arts, but not too similar, as everyone's
>pointed out.
>	I'm not sure what I can add to this thread. Ummm...oh yeah!
>Someone mentioned something about Thai kicks to the head. This, as I'm
>told, is usually done as an insult. This basically says to the guy "You
>don't deserve to be in the ring, get out."

To clear things up a little further, the front kick to the head is used as 
an insult.  The roundhouse to the head/neck is used to knock out the opoponent.

>
>Nik
>Wetoskey Academy of Martial Arts
>
>P.S. Oh yeah, could whoever posted that address of the French Savate
>Association or whatever repost it? Please!

Speaking of Savate, is there any movies out there that shows what it looks
like?  All this talk is making me curious.

-Art



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Zen Wisdom (adapted story; repost)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:07:58 GMT


  A story of Zen wisdom.
  
  A Zen master was walking with a student in SE Asia.  In the 
  distance, about 200 yards away, they saw a hungry tiger 
  running toward them.  The student was frantic. 
   
  "Master! Master!" he cried, "what will we do?  We'll be eaten!"

  "Not to worry" the master replied calmly, with one hand upraised.
  He then proceeded to put on his running-sandals, with a 
  calmness matching the slow dignity of the ancient tea ceremony.  
  
  "Master!  What are you doing?!?  You can't outrun a tiger!!"

  And thus spake the master :

  "I don't have to outrun the tiger.  I just have to outrun you."



==========================================================
  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What happens when you cross styles?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:08:39 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep11.070914.11503@nntp.uoregon.edu> toman@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joseph Toman) writes:
>What gets in your way when you practice ?

	I breakfall instead of rolling softly.  I grab rather than
making contact and sticking.  I confuse similar techniques: on
maki-otoshi I always wrap my arm over uke's arm and hug her elbow into
my chest.  This is an good habit for judo, but not very aiki...  My
sayo-nage looks like tani-otosh, and my hip throws are judo techniques
through-and-through - I carry uke's weight or roll them over my hip
instead of leading them with my hands and letting the hip be in the
way.  If I don't remember to stop myself I sometimes do koshi-nage on
one leg, ready for harai or hane.  In randori when I get pressed I
pick people up and throw them away from me.

	Aikido is *really* *hard* :-)
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:53:29 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Sep13.202114.1@lucy.claremont.edu> kenfield@lucy.claremont.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.231043.6527@wam.umd.edu>, kckbxr@next11pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) writes:
>Friday night, I saw trailer for Steven Seagal's new flick, "Under Siege."  The
>rumours going 'round rec-ma in the spring were pretty much right.  He is the
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
     What happened to his patented three word movie title theme. The
     Aikido bad boy seems to be breaking new ground here.

-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
From: david_yeh@MACMAIL.MED.NYU.EDU ("David Yeh")
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re- Savate and Muay Thai pr
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:43:03 GMT


                      Re: Savate and Muay Thai principles (was Boxing and_
hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes...
> 
>The commonly given analogy is that a Muay Thai kick is like a blow with a
>baseball bat, and a Savate kick is like a blow with a ball-peen hammer.

What's a ball-peen hammer?

-DavID
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: kiai as a weapon...
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:57:39 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep9.181837.2750@cs.rose-hulman.edu > acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
 >
 >perhaps a kiai works because, if done correctly, it sounds almost
 >animal-like. as a result the brain freezes the body up as if expecting
 >a threat...the good old subconcious takes over and cries "DANGER!".
 >
 >i also wonder if the frequency of the shout could make a difference. 
 >something like a resonance effect could be taking place.
 >
 >-mukund

SPECULATION ALERT

	The eye-brain system has a time constant of about 5 hz (180 ms),
which may explain, in part why this strobe frequency causes epileptic fits in
some people, and is banned in discos (In the UK at least). A similar 
time constant may exist in the ear-brain system, and shouting at the appropriatefrequency may cause a temporary locking up of the whole body.

	Similarly other frequencies may affect specific organs, for example the
heart.

	I was fascinated by the post reporting SEEING a kiai used to make birds
fall out of the air. I wonder if the shouter would have got a higher success
rate had they been a trained singer. 

	
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.movies
From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:41:31 GMT

In article <Bu2K1B.LoB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>Anybody seen the anime movie, "Fist of Northstar" yet?
>
Yeah, saw this one laaaate at night in Austin, a while before I moved up here
to beautiful Chambana.  Great flick.  Extremely silly.  The hero's ability to
burst people's heads by hitting them (once, mind you) is both disgusting and
amusing.  A must see for all late-night moviegoers.

The Walrus


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: eoq@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Edward Quillen)
Subject: Boxing/MA
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 14:10:54 GMT


I trained somewhat in both boxing/kickboxing and in karate. I'll venture to 
draw a parallel in that boxing can be considered a stocastic(statistical) 
sport/art while MA is a discrete art/sport.

Briefly, I mean that boxing deals with how many more effective blows can I 
deal that receive. While MA's deal with the view of how do can I disable my 
opponent without losing any control. (Bad explaination of what I mean!)

This most likely has to do with the art<---->sport spectrum of each(boxing 
being used more in sport,MA more in art)

Someone mentioned previously that in boxing one is trained to be hit and 
expect it. I think this is one of the advantages of boxing training which I 
have relied on frequently in the past. In gives you control in a fight 
during the lowest points.

In MA, mental control is (usually) trained to a fantastic level. This 
also gives you control in a fight.

Summary: I think anyone who has a chance should dabble in both sides.

Flames are welcome!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ ED (Edward Quillen)   (517) 336-1293      +++
+++ Vet Teaching Hosp.    System Admin.       +++
+++ Email: quillen@cps.msu.edu                +++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: Savate and Muay Thai principles (was Boxing and Kicks)
Keywords: Precison emphasis vs. Power emphasis in kicks, what about *hands* ?
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.153305.2752@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>
>Do you have any thoughts on the difference in English , French, and Thai style
>of *hand* techniques, as pertains to the French and Thai greater emphasis on 
>feet ?

I probably wouldn't know in any case; when we do Savate (which isn't very
often) we usually just concentrate on the kicking.  My instructor tends
not to trouble our poor brains with small distinctions between various
styles' particular methods of accomplishing the same basic end.

Traditionally, boxing has traditionally been the least important
element of Muay Thai, after (in no particular order) the kicking, the
knees, the elbows, the clinching.  Supposedly, they are emphasising it
more nowadays, and even getting boxing coaches to work with them,
because they found the people who were successful against them
generally had good boxing skills.

Someone (Joey??  Collins??), a couple of articles back, posted a nice
article which pointed out some of the basic differences between Muay
Thai and straight boxing -- for example, a straight-armed push is legal.
I've also been told that they dislike the uppercut, because throwing it
leaves them too open to an elbow.  I'd guess there aren't many differences
other than that, at least in modern Muay Thai (as opposed to the days
before the gloves).

I haven't a clue on Savate.

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...Ch'en worked in a drugstore on the
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |second story...and at noon each day he
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |would leave for lunch in an eccentric
55428                |                |way: he would stroll out the window..."
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Help!
Date: 12 Sep 1992 05:39:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


	I am a first year student at CWRU university.  I am new
to Cleveland, though what I have seen so far sure beats Detriot
by a long shot.  I studied Isshin-Ryu and Ryukyu-No-Te before
I came here; could anyone reply by E-mail (maf10@po.cwru.edu) and
suggest some Cleveland schools for these styles?  

                                          Moses
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.165701.6027@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:

>There aren't any instant solutions - if you want to be
>competent at defending yourself you have to devote some serious time to
>it. 

	AH!  Another thought provoked by someones comments.  Thanks for the
	lead in, Steve.  I find it interesting to note people's attitudes
	about violence and combat and the sort.  Many folks that I have
	met and spoken with on such topics feel that they should not *have*
	to train to be safe in this world of ours.  This clearly ignores the
	reality in which we find ourselves.  The question of rightness and
	wrongness of violence is IRRELEVANT.  The fact is that we live in a 
	violent little universe where great myriad collisions occur at all
	times, and sometimes those collisions occur between persons.  And
	in order for one to fare as best as one might under such circumstances
	as may occur at times, it is necessary for a person to engage in the 
	proper study and training in such matters.

	But it seems that many have the attitude that violence is beneath them
	and they fallaciously infer from this false premise that the study of
	combat is therefore also beneath them and that they should therefore
	not have to do it.  They appear to feel that the world should be 
	intrinsically safe for them at all times and that they should not be
	obliged in any way to take measures to ensure their own safety and 
	well being.  Amusing.  
	
	It is also interesting to note that it is also often precisely these 
	same folks that complain so bitterly when they get their heads handed 
	to them by criminals in the street.  They usually look for somebody
	else to issue the assurances they want, typically the government.

	Comments? Flames?

	-Andy V.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: 11445246@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (THOMAS HAYWOOD)
Subject: Wrestling
Keywords: Gracie
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:48:06 GMT

>>	The boxing vs. karate debate exactly reminds me of the way
>>some judoka feel about wrestlers.  "Wrestling is all strength and too
>>limited to be of any real use.  A lot of grunting and sweating.  Not
>>precise at all".
Anybody ever heard of the Horion Gracie.
He has taken on karateka, judoka, boxers, etc.
He only lost once, to a guy 100 pounds his senior.

Tom.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: groundfighting
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:23:13 GMT

In article <18r5pcINN43e@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>Why isn't her best strategy to stay mobile and disengage as soon as
>>possible instead of getting tangled up in a wrestling match?

>Well, this is her best strategy.  The question, though, was about strongest
>position, which sort of implies immobility, doesn't it?

I'm not sure I follow this: Could you explain what connection there
is between a strong and an immobile position?

                                             Frank Crary
                                             CU Boulder

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts