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From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: stupid sex question
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:32:10 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan24.184623.21778@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Do people with long fingernails abstain from such sexual practices?
>Do they wear latex gloves?  Do they have partners who are looking for 
>consentual cuts?
>

Do they have partners who firmly suggest that they cut their fingernails before
they even TRY to get near the partner's sensitive vagina?

(The ones I'VE been with have!)

Alpha


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Alpha Schram	alpha@w6yx.stanford.edu*################15################
1974 CB360 (Sexy Sadie)		       *#########Molly Goodenbour######### 
"It's not a big motorcycle,	       *####Stanford Women's Basketball###
just a groovy little motorbike..."     *---------ROMANI ITE DOMUM---------
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Subject: Re: Are most of us Hetero guys really that insensitive?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:03:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.052706.8291@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dms4s@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Sailor on the Seas of Fate) writes:
>
>	I was talking today to my good friend who recently realized she
>is bisexual, that she is in love with another woman.  She knows that I had
>rather strong feelings for her before she told me about it. 

So what? This does not necessarily rule out anything between you.
In this instance it might, I dunno.

>        So today she asks me why I stuck behind her during all this, since
>I knew she was in love with a woman.  I wasn't sure how to respond at first,
>the question didn't seem to make sense. I mean, I love her and want her to
>be happy, what other reason do I need?

Trust me... after you get your first couple "you are WHAT?" you'll know
what's going on.

>I'd like to know, is this a common perception of the hetero male?  Are most 
>hetero men seen as only being comfortable with relaitionships with other
>heterosexuals?

I don't know how they are SEEN, but I can vouch for my experiences.
And those say yes, most het boyz ARE that insensitive.

I think of myself as relatively sensitive to "alternative relationships,"
whether gay, poly, whatever. When my (female) SO told me she was 
considering women, I was not surprised, nor did I get excited. I tried
my best to treat it the same as if she had said "gee, wanna try
Thai cooking some time?" However, when I brought up this subject with
a (straight male) friend of mine, he thought that it would pretty
much end any relationship he had.

>I feel kind of embarrassed that my friend would even have
>to wonder why I was willing to remain her friend.

You should be. Feel emabarrased not for yourself but for your
brethren who have made it possible, me included I'm sure.

As a side-note: why do you feel that this friend deciding she is
bisexual rules out any interest in you? Is it because

(a) she told you

(b) you assume that bisexuals aren't interested?

Or am I reading you wrong?

Tim


Newsgroups: soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Greetings from a friend
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:34:56 +0000

:    As my friend can attest, I'm also a fan of erotica.  I enjoyed reading the
:recent post about Lile's first time making love to another woman. I have
:written 2 (fictional) stories about such encounters, but they pale in comparison
:to first-hand accounts.  I really would like to hear real-life stories from
:bisexuals, recounting any kind of sexual experiences.

Does that include from the guys, by any chance?

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:24:55 GMT

>*tah DAH!* Demuffining of what has to be the worlds BIggest MUFFIN! *GRIN*
HUG!
HUG!
HUG!

>  i have yet to take the Purity Test YET... 
TAKE!
TAKE!
TAKE!

but judging by what i hear, my score will be quite low, 

POST!
POST!
POST!


>--Dave

Scott - feeling pretty giddy this afternoon - Wells
-- 
Scott Wells                        +  Looking for Heritage Universalists
Internet: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu  +  and Christian Unitarians
University of Georgia		   +  . . . before the UUA runs us out.
Athens, Georgia, USA               +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +
From: ss19@ellis.uchicago.edu (selene  stewart)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: other bi's w/pierces and tats
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:40:36 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <C1DrxC.CH2@news.udel.edu> eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
>In article <30607@castle.ed.ac.uk> moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman) flirts with Zoe:
>
>  And introduce me to lots of girls,
>esp. over here...this weekend I ended up as the only woman with about six men.  This is carrying a het phase a bit too far...(and no, we weren't doing *that*, 
>honestly, you'll read all about it in a bit....)

  Just as well, too, since I didn't remember to bring my video camera.

  And it would have shortened an already too-short weekend, too.

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ shameless e-slut
                 \/
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan24.200010.25064@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.130204.10122@iscsvax.uni.edu>, weaverli0469@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>Just a quick question : What does the triangle stand for? I see them every so
>>often at the bottom of people's notes...
>>        
>>
>>     Like this one:
>>        _____
>>        \   /   
>>         \ /
>>    
> It frequently depends on the sexual orientation of the person. Or their
>religious affiliation, or their favorite alternate universe, or what kind of
>underwear they have on...
>
>>Shawn
>
>  -Shwartzberg

But seriously, the pink triangle was the symbol used in WWII concentration
camps to signify that the wearer was homosexual (male--females got a black
triangle if they were so classified, but most lesbians got thrown in with the
Gypsies). Now we use it universally as a gay rights symbol--and because It's so
punchy everybody else (lesbians, bis) use it too, mostly in coed groups: 
there's some conflict in its use because people sort of like to link it to Gay
Men and the women sometimes feel that it isn't "Theirs", or that they're being
lost in the shuffle (just like in WWII). But the argument always goes back to
"What else is there?"

Anyway, That's what it means. I don't know when it started. There are other
groups who use triangular symbols (Illuminati posers for example) but if you
see it upside down this reading is a safe bet. Especially in a place like this.

  -Ximena
From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: soc.bi Frequently Answered Questions (FAQ)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:10:41 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan22.170725.7814@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
>>
>
>I've got to get to Cally.  This "dyke" (her phrase, I was gonna say "woman")
>is far too interesting.  
>
>				Steve L.

Oh Steve.  You talker, you.

Alpha

So now, you should spend the morning lying to your father quite amazed
About the strange Unwashed and Happily Slightly Dazed!  ---Bowie
===============================================================================

-- 
Alpha Schram	alpha@w6yx.stanford.edu*################15################
1974 CB360 (Sexy Sadie)		       *#########Molly Goodenbour######### 
"It's not a big motorcycle,	       *####Stanford Women's Basketball###
just a groovy little motorbike..."     *---------ROMANI ITE DOMUM---------
From: bvntyler@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Very [Bi]Sexual Professional Amateur Nudist!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0wpor.Ko1@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes...
>In article <1993Jan11.215710.10923@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>>I feel so out of it.  I missed this group intensely.  *major pout*
> 
>Awww, baby! <smooch>
> 
>>And now there is some get-together that I will probably miss.
> 
>Yeah, Dave & Alex's party in Cambridge (*the* Cambridge, not the one
>in Mass.) on 13th February.  Be there or be elsewhere :)
> 
>>Poo.
>>Anyone care to fill me in?
> 
>What would you like to be filled in with, Darren? :)
> 
>				Kay

*tah DAH!* Demuffining of what has to be the worlds BIggest MUFFIN! *GRIN*

geeeeee kay; i'd hazard a Guess that right now ...  BUT then again i'm being
 threaten with Dastardly Deeds (tm) if i don't shut up Right Now...

(on a safer topic)

 i've been scanning this group for quite some time (around 4 earth years) and 
  meating a sir-tane someone several earth months ago has changed my outlooks
  considerably... allowing me to realize that its ok for me to love a man and 
  still think about women.. it's amazing how hyper paranoid a gay man gets,
  (when he was ALREADY super paranoid about your attention to men) when you
  tell him in casual, and deeply meaningful (for me) conversation, that you 
  find yourself thinking about women every now and again! Talk about Dastardly
  Deeds (tm) more like Get Out the Butcher Knife and Play Psycho!!!!

  [deep breath] 

  back to ... whatever it was *grin* ... my outlooks have changed SO much
  that i'm moving in 24 days... 

  i have yet to take the Purity Test YET... but judging by what i hear, my
  score will be quite low, and we haven't started Deliberately doing things
  to lower it... [since the snow is all melted in buffalo right now,
   those points: doing it in the snow (i public?) to lower my purity score,
  WHILE taking the purity test]

  *yawn* 

--Dave
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def: faggot; a small stick. | "I ain't no Faggot!            I'm a LOG!"
                            |
B1 h f- t w- g+ k+ sv m e+ r| I vow to Never work 14 hours a day again!
                    ?       | unfortunately needs to work 14 hours a day
                            | to save for the more to Texas!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: howdy
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:50:35 GMT

In article <C1JnFz.8JC@news.udel.edu> 
 forsh@ravel.udel.edu (Tara Louise Forshey) writes:
>Anyhow, I just wanted to see how many hellos I could get and to tell
>everyone who posts and everyone who reads that I send them hugs.
>
>would be the perfect time to send hugs out.....*hugs*hugs*hugs* and
>various other flirtations (wink).  Okay, that's all for now I suppose. 
>Talk to ya'll later.

 Hello! Welcome!

 *Hug*Hug*

 *Snuggles*

 <flirt! flirt!>

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: Why I won't "dance" (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r.)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
	<1993Jan19.204710.2964@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan20.192441.20687@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan21.114945.17621@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:01:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.114945.17621@infodev.cam.ac.uk> sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:

   This is where the sexual aspect comes in.
   Perhaps the wwhole dancing business is part of the human "mating"
   ritual (making allowances that we're not playing by normal rules
   around here), and amongst those watching you are potential partners
   whom you want to impress.  Or, at least, you don't want them to think
   you're a total prat.  If you believe, rightly or wrongly, that you
   can't dance, you won't want to compromis yur chances by doing so.

Hmmm. Makes sense. I find I dance much more avidly when in a
relationship then when single, or even with a group of friends. There
is this inherent fear of looking stupid and making certain no one will
want to meet (read want) me.

This is extra funny because people tell me I am a good dancer (very
sexual was on comment), but I can only dance when involved with
someone. Talk about frustration. :)

The few times I have been able to cut loose when not with someone were
when I convinced myself I cared not one bit about the opinions of the
strangers there. 

Or alone. 

Now where did I put that Pet Shop Boys CD?

boris
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From:  orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Subject: Re: Appearances on and off the net (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r)
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:33:44 GMT

In article <30891@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
[about Dave Berry's soc.bi party in Cambridge]
>It should further be added that when ever such spod-isms as "operating
>system", "486 box", "Motif" and (dare I say it) "parallel processing"
>are uttered at such an event (ie. a Dave&Alex soc.bi party), the
>perpetrator is liable to be tied up with his/her own anorak and severly
>tortured with libations of chocolate frog in the navel, or some other
>suitable punishment.  You have been warned!

   This is a threat, or a promise?  (It's purely academic for me,
of course, because I'll probably spend most of the evening talking
about trainspotting :-)

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ "There's One!"
                  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: R1156C@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Dow)
Subject: Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's
Organization: Motorola
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:47:40 MST

>   Hmmm being new to this group I'm curious as to how many other
>straight guys are out there reading this who really give a damn about
>the issues and feelings expressed here?  I first read this group when
>a dear friend told me she is bisexual.  I was concerned about her and
>the emotional time she was going through.  I was curious about the
>type of lifestyle she was turning towards.
>   I am very glad that I read this group.  I have discovered here a
>network of truly caring and loving people. I am constantly reassured
>that my bi friend is a member of good company.
>   And yes, i admit, I would like to watch sometime :).

    Hear hear!  My sexual preference is really not relevant to this post,
however I can say that I have learned much about dealing with bi issues
in my bi-friends by reading this group.

    I daresay that anyone who can call me insensitive is either
      1- Lying
      2- Drunk and Lying
      3- Doesn't know me, and should probably be shot.

    Yes, many people who are not bisexual cannot grasp the concept
completely.  Some can!  And just because straight people may not
embrace a 'bi way of life' (tm), it does not mean they are insensitive.

    Some, however, are not worth the dust collecting in that far corner
under their desk.

    And I ain't no bakery goods... :-)
    (And *I* would like to watch too.. :-))

-Michael R. Dow
 R1156C@Waccvm.corp.mot.com
From: tjewell@gluttony.reed.edu (Teresa Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:23:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan25.222318.19365
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan23.232911.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>  writes:
> Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently),  
and to 
> NEVER even try to explain why?
> 

Ethical or not, it doesn't seem particularly polite.  And this person is a  
friend?

T Jewell
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry)
Subject: Re: Appearances on and off the net (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r)
Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:52:24 GMT

kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>let's clarify - it's Alex and Dave's party, at which a number of soc.bi
>readers will be present, *not* "a soc.bi party"),

Well, I've advertised it as a soc.bi party, on soc.bi, and only a few
non soc.bi folk will be there.  Sounds like a soc.bi party to me.  I
suppose if you interpret "soc.bi party" to be a party organised by
an officially constituted and representative events committee of the
UK bisketeers, with appropriate consultation and authorisation at
every stage of the planning, then it ain't one :-).  But that doesn't
seem a useful concept to me.

Dave (who similarly argues against creating a national bisexual organisation).
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d   (415) 336 0742)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: How to have a good cry?
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:04:35
Organization: savage hackers
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com
In-reply-to: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:12:16 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.171216.22461@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
> The trouble is, I've
> got rather out of practice at crying.  I can manage a few tears, but I
> can't remember the last time I sat down and had a really good sob.  So
> does anyone have any ideas about how to get the tears flowing?

  Now that's an interesting question...

> I was
> wondering if I should get hold of the song that was playing in the
> dream, for instance.  Do people find it easier to cry alone, or do
> they prefer a shoulder to cry on?

  The song might help... but if you're musically driven, then you might
even make a whole tape of songs that deal with your emotional problem
(lost love, death, whatever -- there are songs for just about anything),
and then either take a long drive alone with them playing, or maybe sit
at home, with a candle lighting the way, concentrating on the music and
feelings and the light... but if you can, you could try to get someone
who you might trust enough for you to let go around.  You should
probably warn them that you're emotionally distressed, if they didn't
know already...  and then see if you can tell them all about it.  Them
being physically supportive can help (hugging, stroking you, whatever)
let feelings go.  If the problem is dealing with someone in the past,
you might try to confront them with all the pain, if they are
alive/around, or if that's a possibility... if it isn't, then you can
either have an imaginary conversation with them (aided by music/mood/
setting again), or maybe even have some friend play the role of the
other person.  It's a bit rough trying to help you, not knowing you or
what happened, and seeing how you seem reluctant to talk about it.  If
it was an event, such a fire, accident with firearms, whatever, then
perhaps going back to the scene of the incident could help recreate the
mood and bring your briney salvation.

  This can be all fairly dangerous stuff to do alone... while crying
might be what you need, it might be something else that you'll require
to let go... I think that things can often be more healing if you can do
it with someone else to help guide/be with you... it seems to somehow
make it more real, if someone else is there to validate your feelings,
but it's a very individual thing.

  However, this is all pure amatuer psychology.  You might consider
asking a real counselor who knows what they are doing, rather than a
bunch of (even well-meaning) folks on the net.

 -- d
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Why I won't "dance" (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r.)
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:35:09 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan24.174818.1381@infodev.cam.ac.uk> MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.192441.20687@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:

>>You misunderstand -- I really do want to learn to dance, and I *am*
>>a "boring nerd who doesn't know how to enjoy himself" -- yet.
>
>I'm a boring nerd --- and proud of it!

Me too.  As for the dance topic.  I've tried and tried to learn how to 
dance: tap, ballroom, country, and swing lessons; being thrown bodily onto
the dance floor, being coaxed by friends in various ways, drinking 
two (count 'em) beers first.  But nothing works to overcome my dance-o-
phobia, and so I've decided to give up on it.  I mean, I'm better off 
using the time going back to playing chamber music, reading books,
yakking with friends.  But I am kind of disappointed with myself.
Now singing, on the other hand, although I have no voice (well, I can stay
on pitch, but that's about all) I have absolutely no shame.

>
>Mike.



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Survey: Four screens!!
Keywords: LesBiGay Christians
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:03:23 GMT

marcuss@microsoft.com (Marcus Stringer) wrote: 
->Thank you for your answers.  If you have comments or suggestions to make
->this survey better, please include them below.

let's start with these: who the hell are you, what's the point of this
survey, who's going to see this in the end (data, results, etc.), and
why should anyone respond?

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: newsnight last night (Re:Colorado)
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:54:02 GMT

Watching Newsnight on beeb 2 (BBC-2 for our freinds accross the pond)...:-).
They did an expose on the anti-gay Colorado amendment, pretty well presented
I thought, giving both sides of the story. I noticed a bit of our media's
slightly biased attitude towards Christian fundementalists (having met some -
I am fully aware of their blind dogma :-). But then I thought, how come we
(our media) are so busy bashing America for homophobia when there is so
much of it closer to home ? Is it an attempt to divert attention away from
the enequities at home ? After all, gay-bashers are around (certainly in the
home counties) in greater numbers than ever, and judging by the talk and
attitudes of people I work with (all unfortunately very straight and square),
there's plenty of homophobia around.

Kamal

-- 
kamal@specialix.co.uk          ______ 
h- B(5) f+ g k+ s+ m+ r pv     \   _/____   If it feels good - do it!
				 \ \    /                    - Dr Ruth
                                     \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Ever wonder...
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:06:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.015253.8784@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dms4s@helga13.acc.Virginia.EDU (Sailor on the Seas of Fate) writes:
:
:My local video store has quite a few bi sex videos. I haven't rented

Again I ask my question to which I've never heard an answer.  What exactly
*is* 'bi' porn?  Is it a combination of gay + straight, or is it what I'd
probably call 'poly porn', or what?  What exactly is specific to bis in
bi porn or bi gifs?

The only answer I've ever come up with is porn featuring bisexual people
in poly situations.

Maybe this doesn't make sense to you as a question.  It does to me.  I
wonder what bi porn could be if it *isn't* poly...  (not that I'm averse
to poly situations, eh shelly? ;-) - it's just an intellectual curiosity)

G
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