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From: distef@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Distefano)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Budgie "flap attack"
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:38:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.153855.23553
Organization: University of Washington

davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper) writes:
>Only once in the 2 years that I've had them have I seen either
>one of them "flap" in the cage. I think the only reason he "flapped"
>was because he was pissed because he wasn't flying about the
>house. 

I had a budgie who would do somersaults (never letting go of the perch 
he would fall forward and then using his beak he would haul himself up
the back side) over the perch when he felt he had been in his cage
too long. 

Sandra
distef@u.washington.edu 
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From: "karen mcmurray" <karen.mcmurray@canrem.com>
Subject: ferret vomiting
Reply-To: "karen mcmurray" <karen.mcmurray@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:00:56 EST


SS>You probably don't want to read this if you're eating lunch at your
SS>terminal.

Warning still applies...

SS>Twice more during the course of the night I heard her throwing up.  She is
SS>eating and drinking, so I'm not too concerned, but I wanted to know if this
SS>is dangerous behavior or if she just has a stomachache.  It is possible
SS>that she found an old corn chip behind a desk; I had some in my room about
SS>three weeks ago and I haven't swept in the interim.  Should I worry?

If she's eating and no longer sick, probably not.  But you should clean
up anything you think looks appetizing (to a ferret, that is)!

One of my ferrets got *very* sick after swallowing a piece of compressed
foam that she bit out of a toy.  This happened twice, a few days apart,
before we located and destroyed the remaining foam.  In both cases, she
vomited violently for a while, then resumed normal behaviour and eating.
I try to keep both soft foam and styrofoam away from them.

The only time I've been sure food made our ferret vomit was the time we
were visiting and she got into a saucer of milk left out for a cat.

I have heard them briefly choke on such things as popcorn hulls and
flakes of coconut.  (By "choke" I mean something a little more prolonged
than the single <hack> caused by "ferret hoovering up food so fast she
forgets whether she's breathing or swallowing.")  They have eaten bits
of cracker or potato chip without choking.  The problem seems to be
with things that bend or compress without breaking apart.

(And one of them *did* once swallow a piece torn from a rubber glove.
There was no resulting illness -- just the surprised look on my face
when I cleaned the litter tray.)

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From: neil@robots.ox.ac.uk (Neil Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: Re: .  lemurs as domestic pets?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: None evident here.
Originator: neil@cato.robots

>>Anyone know if it's legal to keep a lemur as a pet?

>that you'd be better off leaving them in the wild.  Most vets wouldn't
>know much about what to do with a sick lemur, and you can't buy books
>titled "know your lemur."

Just ran a quick check on the Bodlian (Oxford's library) computer and
it suggested the following:

(1)
Title:
Catalogue of primates in the British Museum (Natural History) and
elsewhere in the British Isles. Part 4, Suborder Strepsirrhini,
including the subfossil Madagascan lemurs and family Tarsiidae
Paulina D. Jenkins

Author(s): Jenkins, Paulina D.

Publisher:
British Museum (Natural History), London, 1987

ISBN/ISSN: 0565010085

(2)
Title:
All the world's a globe, or, From lemur to cosmonaut - a concise
history of the human race from the earliest times to 1987 by Desmond
Olivier Dingle [i.e.] Patrick Barlow ; with illustrations by the
author

Author(s): Barlow, Patrick

Publisher: Methuen London, London, 1987
 
ISBN/ISSN: 0413359704* hbk / 0413194809 pbk
 
(3)
Title:
Know your lemur - A Jewish Perspective

Author(s): Itsac On

Publisher: Kosher Tarsiidae Publishing, Oxford, 1991

ISBN/ISSN: 05460167892


Hope this helps,
Neil
-- 
Neil Townsend | neil@uk.ac.ox.robots | enough already
Newsgroups: rec.pets,talk.bizarre
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Rabbits
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:00:57 GMT

In rec.hunting kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
>Cottontails are yummy - you basically prepare them just about any way
>you'd do chicken.  I've heard of some people eating jack rabbits, but
>I've never heard any rave reviews about these.
>
>I've never heard of trapping them;  be careful, it may not be legal.
>Your best best on bunnies (under the circumstances you describe) would
>probably be a scoped .22LR as you sit on your back porch with a can
>of your favorite beverage (non-alcoholic, of course) watching the sunset.  
>Make sure you're properly licensed, and good luck.
>
>Ken Whitehead


Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: blaraway@geppetto.encore.com (Brad Laraway)
Subject: Re: Ferret Feeding
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:44:22 GMT

king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king) writes:

>I always fed IAMS, but after Codo died, Gumby started losing her hair.
>I switched to Science Diet Kitten and she grew back a lovely coat.  She's
>been on that for over a year now and she's never had a better coat, 
>through all the seasons.  It's better than the ferret diets, too.  I've
>tried them all.  The ferrets love it and they do very well on it.  Their
>stool doesn't smell as bad, either.  I worry sometimes that I am destroying
>her kidneys with the high protein, but she's never looked healthier, so
>I'm taking the chance.

>-- 
>                       Joyce Andrews King
	
	I lost the original posting on ferret feeding.  But here's
	my 2 cents worth.  When I first got my ferret Sebatian, I
	fed him only Science Diet.  After about six months he would
	not eat it any more.  Just looked at as if I've had with this
	diet.  I tried IAMS with the same results.  Bought one of the
	of the major brands of cat foods, wich I thought was a relatively
	good brand.  Well after feeding him this for several months
	his coat changed color. At first I thought it was his summer coat.
	It wasn't it was the dies from the food.

	To make a long story shorter I got another kit Mako and a ten
	pound bag of S.D. Feline Growth.  Mako loved it and Sebastian
	was forced to eat it.  Sebastian is not one yet so the extra calories
	are no problem.  But his coat is back to normal and he's gained
	almost 4 ounces and not one ounce of fat. He's 2.9 pounds but still
	can slide under the refrigerator from the front. One day he'll get
	stuck and stop doing it. HA HA.

	Sorry to go on and on but I strongly recomend  S.D. to any one
	with a ferret or a cat.  As someone on the net once said if
	you can buy it in a grocery store it's probably not good for
	your ferret.	

	Does any one out there know if S.D. has or is working on a ferret
	food?

	Brad, Sebastian and Mako
From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Fierce gerbil!
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:14:58 GMT
Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office @ The Univ. of KY

Find a friend with a snake. They'll put that violent gerbil to good
use.

Sean
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king)
Subject: Re: Ferret Feeding
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:55:36 GMT
Summary: Gumby does best on Science Diet

I always fed IAMS, but after Codo died, Gumby started losing her hair.
I switched to Science Diet Kitten and she grew back a lovely coat.  She's
been on that for over a year now and she's never had a better coat, 
through all the seasons.  It's better than the ferret diets, too.  I've
tried them all.  The ferrets love it and they do very well on it.  Their
stool doesn't smell as bad, either.  I worry sometimes that I am destroying
her kidneys with the high protein, but she's never looked healthier, so
I'm taking the chance.

-- 
                       Joyce Andrews King

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: mucds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Corey D. Stinson)
Subject: Fierce gerbil!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:50:00 GMT

   I recently purchased a gerbil one day on a trip home from college (as
my last one died in my absence).  The gerbil is young (probably just 1.5
months old) and was rather flighty but tame when I handled her over
that weekend.  Since then, I have had reports from my family members
that the gerbil has turned extremebly vicious.  It even tried to jump
up and attack my sister's face when she looked in the bowl one day!

  Any idea why the gerbil has turned so fierce lately?  Was it the fact
that I only spent a few days with her before I had to go back to school?
Assuming that she will react to me in the same way, is there any way
to retame her without loosing a lot of blood? :)

  I would hate to turn her loose in the wild, but it is really my only
choice as I do not want to keep a violent gerbil for a pet.

  Any help would be appreciated.  Please respond via email.  Thanx!

 						Corey

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: rec.pets.ferrets, ferret FAQ ?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: rec.pets
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:26:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.ferrets, ferret FAQ?
Summary: ferret newsgroup
Keywords: ferret, newsgroup

In article <92309.174003KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu> <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <urf.720534048@sw2001>, urf@icl.se (Urban F) says:
>>Frankly, I don't think we are many enough to make a vote for a
>>rec.pets.ferrets go through. Nor do I think the ferret related
>>traffic on rec.pets is high enough to make other readers of it
>>vote us out.
>>
> Why not??? Anyone who owns a ferret knows we can be very possessive of our
> right to talk about ferrets.  There are other message bases that have only
> a few posts per day...plus, having our own rec.pets.ferrets would certainly
> draw more people on here!  I get sick of reading through everything that
> *might* be about ferrets...I am ready to try and get our own sub!  If anyone
> else feels the way I do, and if anyone has any idea how to go about it, let me
> know.  I haven't the first clue.
>1
>>What I do think there is a need for, is a rec.pets Ferret FAQ. Our
>>
>>If you agree that it would be good to have a FAQ, I'm prepared to
>>edit it (if there's someone who was born speaking English who
>>volonteers, it could be better), provided you send me questions
>>and answers (I've supplied some myself already). Well?
>
>Yes, I would love to help!!! I don't really have a lot of time to write it
> myself, but I would be happy to edit it or answer any questions that come
>along...I really do know a lot about the critters (except about their history,
>that I am not too familiar with).  Anyone, feel free to E-Mail me for help...
> (I still think rec.pets.ferrets is better....)
>
>Kymberlie
> (KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu)


I can immediately think of five people, including myself, who would
vote to sustain rec.pets.ferrets. Let's give it a try. As for a ferret
FAQ, there is one on The Ferret Newletter.

Deborah, Sting, Vera, and Skeezix, the Squeezemeister




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From: franklir@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ryan J Franklin )
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.fan.lemurs
Subject: Re: .  lemurs as domestic pets?
Summary: I want to go to Madagascar, and I'm bringing a box of Twinkies
Keywords: Nigel the lemur, Lemurs, Lemuria, Al "The Lemur" Capone, Lorises
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:42:06 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov9.175800.20948@cato.robots.ox.ac.uk> neil@robots.ox.ac.uk (Neil Townsend) writes:
>Just ran a quick check on the Bodlian (Oxford's library) computer and
>it suggested the following:
[stuff deleted]
> 
>(3)
>Title:
>Know your lemur - A Jewish Perspective
>
>Author(s): Itsac On
>
>Publisher: Kosher Tarsiidae Publishing, Oxford, 1991
>
>ISBN/ISSN: 05460167892

Damn!  Our school library doesn't carry this, and it sounds like a truly
inspiring treatment of Our Prosimian Pals.  Think you could skim it and
report on how much it tells about those shy Madagascarian gods, the lemurs?

	-- Ryan Franklin
	   franklir@gas.uug.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: YABCP (Yet another bunny chewing problem)
Keywords: Bunnies, chewing
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:01:57 GMT

In article <cam.720921345@milton> cam@milton.u.washington.edu (Cameron Ritchie) writes:
>Alright fellow bunny owners, once again our two lops have picked up 
>a habit that none of the rabbit books address.  Its uncanny how ours
>never do any of the bad stuff they are supposed to do, but always find
>some new, undocumented mischief.
>
>OK, the little lagomorphs have taken to chewing the corners of walls.
>Our apartment has that metal flange along the corners, and the rabbits
>have succeeded in crumbling the paint off down to the metal on several
>corners in the place.  We have tried providing other chew toys, but,
>of course, they have no interest at all in the "correct" toys.  We have
>also tried the direct discipline method (water bottle or shooing them away)
>but the little buggers are quick!  They only make a few chews and then
>run away and act like they haven't done anything wrong.  Any suggestions?

Oh yes, my buns do the same! Pennie, our part-dwarf, is particularly
bad about this. We leave them all kinds of chew toys and wooden toys,
but Pennie still likes to chew the closet doors. She has shredded the
outer layer of the wood, and now likes to pull them away from the
doors. We found that regular sprays of "Bitter Apple" on the doors
work real well. But we forgget to spray regularly because we forget
after a while about her desire to chew, and then we hear this "grrgrr
grrgrr, riiiippp!" I pop my head into where she is, and say "Hey
Pennie, woooot what youuuu dooooing?" And she looks up at me like
"Nothing, mum!" and runs away, kicking her hind legs at me! Then i
immediately spray the door, and it seems to work well.


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From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Ball pyton that won't eat
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:27:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.202758.13065
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov10.191305.399@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> harrison@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>One factor that has been discovered recently is that Ball pythons like a lot
>of humidity.  I had a Ball that wouldn't eat for a year and a half, under 
>conditions in which another Ball ate just fine.  Once I had placed her in a
>tightly closed cage with a large water bath (with lots of surface area) she 
>started eating within a couple of weeks, and I've had no problems.  Actually,
>she seems to be trying to make up for lost time. (Despite force feeding, she
>was getting pretty skinny.)

I've actually found this to be the case for a number of boas & pythons
that I've kept.  In general, the advice given by most herpetoculture books
to keep the cage very dry may not be quite right.  In my experience, boids
kept in very dry conditions often do not feed well, and commonly have
problems shedding.  Most of my boids now get sprayed several times per
week, and several of them (particularly all my _Candoia_) are kept in
cages that have roughly 7/8ths of the screened top covered by plastic to
keep humidity in.  Granted one needs to be much more meticulous about
cleaning cages/changing substrate with this type of humid set-up (i.e.,
fungal growth is really enhanced in humid conditions) but it often pays
off in terms of having "happier" snakes with fewer problems.
From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Need advice on cage building
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:15:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.191552.25849
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn

In article <bzandrew.02dv@bbs1984.chi.il.us>, bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew) writes:
> 
> 8 foot high 2 foot wide 6 foot long cage:  Geezzzzz, if something happens to
> your lizard, you can use the cage for a closet.  HAHAHAHAHA.....  Actually mine
> is about the same dimensions, but only 2 feet high.  Do your Igs really climb
> around?  My is left out all day, and usually stays in the same place!

My iguana vivarium is 3 feet square by 7 feet tall, and 30" Shep goes 
up and down all the time.  He definitely feels more secure when he's up in 
the air; when he's out he almost always goes for the drapes and climbs to 
the top.

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From: wrfisher@cats.ucsc.edu (William Robert Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Plants for an Iguana tank
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:36:16 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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>> Was anyone able to come up with a list of poisonous plants for an Iguana
>> cage?
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> === Steve Steinberg   ==  ss@panix.com  == {cmcl2,apple}!panix!ss ===
>
>The plants I have in my ig's cage is a rabbit's foot fern (which I've seen him
>nibbling on occasionally) and an african violet (when it was in bloom).  He
>gobbled up the blooms on the violet and apparently sampled some of the leaves -
>after all the blooms were gone, I took the violet out and am waiting for it to
>bloom again.  I have a friend who has a large iguana living in his vivarium and
>this particular ig relishes a plant called a bleeding heart and also I know of
>more than one ig who devour hibiscus plants - leaves, stems, blooms and all.
>I also have a succulent in his cage which he has never touched.  You may try
>some of these plants - they're easily found at local nurseries and (except for
>the fern) have blooms that make the habitat quite pretty (that is until the ig
>eats them all).  Also my ig is young yet and the rabbit's foot fern provides a
>good hiding place for him.  In fact I have his crepe myrtle limb draped across
>the top of the fern - he seems to like perching on the limb and the fronds from
>the fern make him feel like he is well hid.
>
>Nancy and Chivas (the ig).
>
In a program from the 2nd Annual BAARS Bazaar and swap meet they had this
list of food sources:
dandelion flowers & greens
hibiscus
rose
nasturtium
carnation
prickly pear cactus
wandering jew
grasses (????)
creosote
african daisy
sweet alyssum
I also gives warnings to:
avocado
apple seeds
citrus or cabbage relatives (in excess)
iceburg lettice in quantity (addictive taste/no nutritional value)

I don't know who made out this list, but this group (Bay Area Reptile
and Amphibian Society) seemed to have a bunch of knowledgeable people.
If we list all the non-poisonous, then no matter how unlikely, anything
left must be poisonous (or something like that).

William
wrfisher@cats.ucsc.edu
From: nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Plants for an Iguana tank
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:04:06 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov11.165901.16860@panix.com>, ss@panix.com (Steve Steinberg) writes:
> Was anyone able to come up with a list of poisonous plants for an Iguana
> cage?
> 
> The only plant I've put in so far is an aloe, but I would like to add
> other cacti & succulants.
> 
> What do you think?
> -- 
> =====================================================================
> === Steve Steinberg   ==  ss@panix.com  == {cmcl2,apple}!panix!ss ===


The plants I have in my ig's cage is a rabbit's foot fern (which I've seen him
nibbling on occasionally) and an african violet (when it was in bloom).  He
gobbled up the blooms on the violet and apparently sampled some of the leaves -
after all the blooms were gone, I took the violet out and am waiting for it to
bloom again.  I have a friend who has a large iguana living in his vivarium and
this particular ig relishes a plant called a bleeding heart and also I know of
more than one ig who devour hibiscus plants - leaves, stems, blooms and all.
I also have a succulent in his cage which he has never touched.  You may try
some of these plants - they're easily found at local nurseries and (except for
the fern) have blooms that make the habitat quite pretty (that is until the ig
eats them all).  Also my ig is young yet and the rabbit's foot fern provides a
good hiding place for him.  In fact I have his crepe myrtle limb draped across
the top of the fern - he seems to like perching on the limb and the fronds from
the fern make him feel like he is well hid.

So far this has worked for us.

Nancy and Chivas (the ig).


> 
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: crocs
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Woah!
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:50:55 GMT

In article <JTHOMASO.92Nov10104057@dante.nmsu.edu> jthomaso@nmsu.edu (THOMASON) writes:
>
...
>constricting and digesting people. The anaconda, the larger ofcourse
>has even been documented eating men of up to 220 pounds in weight.
>This snake ofcourse has been known to grow up tp 37 feet in the wild,
>and has a head the size of a tea tray, could accomplish this with
>relative ease.
[and later]
>
>  WORLD RECORDS
>
> Anaconda-37 feet, 467 pds.
>

Now, I don't suppose anyone could post the source of this record?
I've heard rumours lately that the anaconda had officially passed the
record Retic establishing itself as the longest snake in the world,
but haven't seen it substantiated yet.  CERTAINLY 37 feet is WAY
longer than any snake I've seen an official record for.

But if Guinness says so, than it must be true... (followups to
alt.beer :-)

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