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Original-From: mhwpa!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 13:14:00 EDT
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Kulchur, NY
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>at the counter reading the New York Times. Allan wanted to
>buy a copy of the morning Times, but hadn't seen
>anywhere to buy one as we were walking to the shop. So he
>asked the reader, "Excuse me, where did you buy the newspaper?"
>To which the reader, in classic New York fashion, replied,
>"Fuck you."
>
>Q: How many New Yorkers does it take to change a light bulb?
>A: None of your goddamned business.
>
>Q: How many kindly New Yorkers does it take to change a light bulb?
>A: Both of them.
>
>love, judith, not a New Yorker :-)

Well, I <never>!  Sorry...I slipped.

From a New York native: this sounds about right.  A few more of the
same....

I remember walking up 5th Avenue during Christmas season one year, and
saw a cab trying to turn onto 45th Street.  Of course, it is a New
York Rule that you never pay attention to pedestrians if you're
driving, and that if you are on foot, you ignore cars.  So the cab
almost hit a pedestrian.  The man on foot strolled over to the cab and
spat in the driver's face.

When my wife and I were dating, we had early lunch one day at a
restaurant called La Crepe (part of a chain, I think) on Greenwich
Avenue in the Village.  We came out and saw two well-dressed men
disputing a parking space.  The dispute was concluded when one punched
the other one in the face, then told him to take it up with the cops.

Some months later, we were in Max's Kansas City having a drink and
waiting for a table, when some guy got agitated because he was about
to be seated in a place where he Could Not Be Seen.  He threw his
drink in the maitre d's face and walked out.

Then there was Christmas eve, years ago, when I got on the subway at
51st Street, and noticed three men nearby.  Two of them were literally
holding up their friend, who was extremely drunk.  I should have known
better than to get in the same crowded car with these guys.  Ten
seconds out of the station, the lurching of the train caused the drunk
to demonstrate how to get a subway car all to yourself by projectile
vomiting all over anyone nearby.  The car cleared out at 59th Street.

Ken
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:19:46 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: "Prescriptivism"
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	For example, I say "this is not just revolting jargon, but revolting
	imbecile jargon", or I say "this usage is wrong, and found only in the
	speech of illiterates who don't understand their own language", or
	"it's astonishing that this idiot usage has become so widespread". There
	is nothing in the least prescriptive about any of these comments, yet

Nevertheless you would pass a Turing test for prescriptivism based on
those comments.  Are you saying you have to add "and I extol you to
change your usage" after a flame like the above to change it from
a descriptivist to prescriptivist utterance?  Or are you just taking the
piss out of us?

G
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:20:16 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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:>   I'd love to see how a professional like
:> Natalie would go about doing it properly.
:
:One of the best guides to methods of fieldwork in dialectology (which is
:not exactly what we've been discussing but is close in ways) is still,
:IMHO, Lee Pederson's LAGS-related book that came out long before LAGS
:was anywhere close to being finished.  My brain is dead tonight.  I can't
:even remember the title of the book, although it would be very easy to
:find with a quick telnet hop to any library catalogue.  Oh -- LAGS=
:Linguistic Atlas of the Gulf States.
:   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I wasn't asking how it was supposed to be done.  I was asking how a
professional like Natalie would do it.

G
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:52:35 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Emoticons
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Check out today's Wall Street Journal:  the center-column story is about
digital smiley faces ("A Story of the Type That Turns Heads in Computer
Circles"). Lots of examples.  I am puzzled by this one:

       5:-)      for "I'm Elvis"

brad
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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>The Ideology of the Dependent Clause?

Yeah, that's the idea.  But we need some kind of shorthand way
to refer to it.  Some kind of ism or something.

mem
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:20:35 EDT
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Subject:      Sensemilla
              10 Sep 1992 21:59:37 -0400 from <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>

Agnes, I think this is a drug reference.  Some kind of Jamaican
cannabis.  Never inhaled it myself.  Cf. the album by Black Uhuru,
-Sensimillia- ca 1980:  "I've got a stalk of sensemilla blooming in
my pocket."                  --brad
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:54:33 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Zen
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Posted on 11 Sep 1992 at 15:11:09 by Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366
>>How do you address Zen internet.?  MGarber
>With a bow and your hands together.

Only if you want to look like a fool.

Karen
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*** Resending note of 09/11/92 05:30

>This was a reference to the ^ keys, alas.  The brain has closed its
>access to its own CPU for the evening, and the stupid floppies just ain't
>cutting it....<sigh>  Natalie, does this condition improve with age? :-)

>Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message
Absolutely!  Can't speak for Natalie, but Ruth, honey chile (notice I*still* do
t say "Ruthie"), but, as far as I know, having the oldestbrain on this list, I

 those clever replies!.nl
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:48:26 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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Posted on 7 Sep 1992 at 22:04:17 by Graham Toal
>The mind boggles!

Oh yeah. I do this all the time when my students come up w/ excuses why
they aren't prepared.  I take it back, I *do* do -les words.

Speaking of students, where is Steve? Hasn't NIU started?

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:18:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Psychoanalysis joke
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Guy is impotent and goes to his psychoanalyst, who gives
him good advice, which he follows.  Goes to the doctor and
insists that the psychoanalyst said that what he needs is
a castration.  The doctor hesitates, but the patient is
very insistent. Afterwards, the guy finds that he still
cannot get it *p, and goes back to the psychoanalyst to
complain and get his money back.  The psychoanalyst says:
   "What?  The circumsicion didn't help?"
The guy replies:
   "Oh, yeaahhhhh!   That's the word!"
--ggs (who didn't really want to do this....)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:48:25 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: prescriptivism again
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:13:37 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> > Yes, but take a straw poll and you'll find that the majority do indeed
> > think disinterested means 'unbiased' and uninterested means 'couldn't care'
> > (at least among people who've ever heard of the word 'disinterested' - if
>
> Betcha, betcha, betcha that you're wrong.  How we'll conduct such a straw
> poll I'm not sure though.
Ask everyone you meet at lunch tomorrow.  As I said, I think common usage
here must be different from common usage over there, though you insisted
they were they same.  There's clearly some major cross-purpose in this
discussion that we haven't sorted out yet, because you appear to contradict
every single statement you make in the followup message explaining what
you meant.

Here's the wording of the poll: "Have you heard of both of the words
'uninterested' and 'disinterested'."  Answer will either be "No", or
you follow up with "What's the difference between them?".

> > So if the majority distinguish between distinterested and uninterested
> > in this way, is it prescriptivism to inform one of the minority of
> > their error or is it education?  Are you arguing against raising the
> > standard of English usage in general?
>
> No, I see nothing wrong with pointing it out -- if, in fact, your assumption
> about the majority is true in this case, which I am confident it isn't.
> Raise the standard of English usage??  I'm not sure quite what that means.

You seem to be saying that there is no point in teaching English at high-
school because whatever children learn on the streets is correct by definition.
I'm still waiting to hear you say whether you equate education with
prescriptivism.  I know you either disapprove or see no point in the
latter; I wonder whether you feel the same about the former.  I'm left
with the impression that you're of the Dr Spock school of linguistic
child-raising.



>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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> Speaking of mysteries--a new one is about to come out.  It's called
> _Showcase_ by Alison Glen, published by Simon and Schuster.  I mention
> it because it was written by two good friends of mine--Louise Vetter and
> Cheryl Lowrey and I was an early reviewer!  If anyone reads it, I'd *love*
> some feedback for them!
>
> 2Judith who is *mentioned in the acknowledgements!*

Thanks for telling us, 2Judith...I'll certainly look for that one!
ndh
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:06:15 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Hopefully

>> use of the word "hopefully."  Who better to ask than you folks?
>
>Because it's used incorrectly so often. Now, people often say "hopefully
>you will like the explanation." A correct usage of the word would be "she
>hopefully opened the letter." It means to do something in the hope of
>something else. It does not serve as a substitute for "I hope."

It has always served as a perfectly good substitute for me.

Specifically, I have myself used it and heard it used in the "wrong" sense.

Luckily, no incomprehension has resulted.

Ironically, some people will beat the blatant "hopefully" to death and ignore
other border-line cases of the same phenomenon. Seriously, it's true.

Obviously, we must change our criterion for "correctness" here.

Sincerely,
tushar
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:44:46 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: T

About [th]:

>You said the tongue touched at the *root* of the teeth--to me that is
>the top; I would find it hard to aspirate there.

It is hard to say just where it touches - I mean the root is also
covered by the tongue. But pushing the TIP against the root is as
natural and produces (almost) the same sound for me.


>>>English th is categorized as interdental.  Can you do this?
>>If you tell me what interdental means.
>
>inter=between dental=teeth

Thanks :-) Now what does it mean? The tongue goes between the rows of
teeth? I can do that, and it sounds almost the same to me.


>>Sorry, I wasn't thinking. Interestingly, this particular sh is supposed to
>>be a retroflex sh, though very few people pronounce it like that.
>
>I certainly can't--not w/ an [a] following!
>
>Karen

Jeez, what's the [a] got to do with it?

tushar
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[6]: the world's oldest profession
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>Boy, and she ain't kidding, Mka. I know whereof I speak.

>Chris

>Hi, Carol :-)

     Hi, pal.  Does this mean you forgive me for calling you an
     <obvious orifice deleted>?  I was hoping we could meet without
     fear of reprisals when jenna and patrick visit Portland next
     month...

     Carol
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Howdy from the green place
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:34:56 GMT

Welcome Back, Bill -- I've been talking about you behind your back, and I'm
glad to see you re-connected.

--bayla

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From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Joneses
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>Regarding my last posting (an e-oops): see how starved for Words-L
>traffic one is after just 29 hours?

Most confusing when this post arrived first at my site -- I asked myself
what you had said over 29 hours ago? To what was he referring?

Oh the wonders of net-mail...

Poor, Brad, if you knew you were to be so starved for words-l mail, why
set nomail? -- that way there'd be no back postings to read  -- or with
the power outage maybe you had no choice .... :-(

--- Joan (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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In a previous article, PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU ("Judith E. Schrier") says:

>>This somehow reminds me of the essay that's in lots of freshman anthologies.
>>"Back to the Lake"?  Something like that.  By E.B. White, I think.
>>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>I don't believe I've read that one. I *did* take
>freshman comp, and we had one of those books of
>essays, but it didn't have "Back to the Lake".
It does sound remotely familiar, but from where who knows.  Most of my lit
courses were either in French, or used English translations of French
novels.  
>Do I hafta read it? Will it be on the final?
Yes and yes - a five page essay in fact.[minimum]  You'll also be required to
read Moby Dick, and compose an essay on Melville's essay on the color white.

Ruth
ps - did you ever find a picture frame?

>
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
              13 Sep 1992 14:42:26 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:42:26 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>6co2+6h2o yields c6h12o6+6o2.  Photosynthesis.  7th grade.  Remembering
>that has been of great value to me in life.  (I think I've mentioned this

Yes - but does it explain why sheep aren't green ?  I mean, (1) they eat
all that (green) grass, and (2) there should be an evolutionary advantage
in being able to hide in the grass if you are an edible thing like a sheep.

Tony H.
(Getting silly as the clock ticks)
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Subject:      Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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              13 Sep 92 16:41:56 -0500. <9209132143.AA18207@sics.se>

  Says Mka:

  >Mah, mah, but the boy *do* cotton on quick to stuff.  Scrubs up
  >good too.

  I'm pretty quick at times, but on other occasions I'm not so quick. For
example, I'm more or less baffled by your remark above. Possibly some
form of Southern wit is involved which is quite beyond me.
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  >She just placidly tells me it is always like that. And then she asks
  >me to go check the earlier tables I have been furiously memorizing, and
  >hints that I am slightly idiotic not to have noticed this before.

  Well, she was wrong. The commutativity of multiplication is a difficult and
profound result. By the way, what can we say about the following equations
as a definition of multiplication?


            x*0=0
            x*(y+1)=y*x+x

  >She tells me that the answer can be got by taking 14
  >eights.

  How?
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (59)

>Akio, why don't you ever glean yourself? ;-)

>-abh
 Somehow, "Oh, go glean yourself!" seems somewhat <discourteous>, doesn't it? 8-
)







waitta minnit - this is spazzing again!  Yesterday my printer turned itself on!
Ruth!  RUTH!  I've gotta dirty line!!  Help!
(Oh, "Pleh!", if you're dyslexic...)

JMW
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              14 Sep 1992 16:22:00 EDT from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

But who killed Franz?  And whose rasping, gossamer-clad thighs were
those viewed through the opening in the stacks?  And the white feather:
what does the white feather mean?

I fear that Gilbert has become the List David Lynch.

brad
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>Yes, you are far behind, //anne//, but you are forgiven.  But BRAD
>is not forgiven for spelling it wrong ....  it is SINSEMILLA and it
>literally means:  Seedless (that's Spanish, y'all).....  And it
>probably is not Jamaican, since I think they do not often speak
>Spanish in Jamaica....   but don't ask *me* where it comes from,
>I'm only here to correct mistakes.  That is what I *do*.
>--ggs

Hate to tellya, Giggles, but Sensemille is also correct--in
English, anyway.  I got the proof.  Ask Carol.

-Mka
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In a previous article, haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock) says:

>   I used to know someone who grew it in her dorm room.  If it grew there, it
>   would grow anywhere.
>   -- 
>Sorry, but mark down another person who doesn't know what it is...now would
>be the time to be kind and tell us, I think.

Uhm.....somebody already did, but....  Homegrown?  Mary Jane?  Tea?  [junk 
version] Ditchweed?  Bong food?  [It's pot]  I don't use the stuff, but in
college I knew lots of 60's leftovers and remakes.:-)


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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:43:30 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays

>I'm not sure what the birthday program is.  Is that what I used when I
>entered 'crontab -e' (which put me into vi on an empty crontab file)
>and wrote a line something like this:

If you want a lay person's guess based on nothing except completely general
considerations, you did not use the birthday program.

tushar
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Howdy from the green place
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On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU wrote:

> lots of places take this long to get a phone hooked up; isn't the
> US unusual in the short length of time it takes?

Aren't we really looking at a difference between a first-world and a
second-world nation?

-abh
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Subject:      Quote for Today

Good Morning,

Don't know if I'm sad, glad, mad, or bad, or have been had....today is
first day for Dawn to attend 2nd year high-school....new bus schedule,
1/2 hour later, so I leave before her ....won't see her getting ready
in car, but also won't be able to make sure she gets on bus on time
(would have been later numerous times last year)...oh, well, here is
confusing quote:

      "Marriage has many pains, but celibacy has no pleasures."
                   Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


It is said that Mr. Johnson, a fiery conversationalist, produced excellent
writings that often contained eccentric judgements.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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