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From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Quilts (was: Re: sowing bags)
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.204735.2100@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>In article <lk3h76INNr32@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>> techniques are easy to do and the patterns are easy to find.)  I still
>> haven't found a five pointed star pattern, and haven't figured out how to
>> draft one.  I once saw something called a Moore-Penrose (?) tiling in a
>> math journal that can make five pointed stars, but they didn't look like
>> pentacles at all.
[...]
>If I may continue the high-falutin' talk, the problem with the five-
>pointed star is that it yields a pentagon as your basic building block,
>and the pentagon won't tesselate the plane.  (For those of you who
>AREN'T math dweebs and don't have a dictionary handy, pentagons won't
>fit together neatly to cover a plane.)
>
>Eight-pointed stars are usually embedded in a square, and six-pointed
>stars in a hexagon.  Both tesselate.
>
>To use five-pointed stars, you'll have to make them part of a design
>that isn't based on the pentagram.  For example, you can put a 
>pentacle inside a square or hexagon.
>
>Or just sew a few pentacles here and there in random locations!
>
>If the "Moore-Penrose" tiling you mentioned is the tiling I think it
>is, what you get aren't pentacles.  The Penrose tiles I know are
>aperiodic - there are two simple shapes that fit together to produce
>a pattern that never repeats!  I think that would make a great
>pattern for a quilt;  I've figured I could make ceramic floor tile
>at some point!

I think there are some designs in Islamic art that use 5 fold or 10 fold
symmetry. I agree you can't tile the plane with pentegrams.

Penrose Tiles have 5 fold symmetry on the average I think.  I'm not
sure, but it may be possible to fill the space between pentagons or
stars on various lattices with Penrose Tiles (they can fill the plane or leave
various shaped "holes".

You might make a basic unit for a quilt by mixing pentagons, either
alone or in inverted pairs and say, triangles.

-- 
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From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Movie about Ishi
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:24:37 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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This is the movie about Ishi, who was rescued by A. Kroeber; Kroeber's
wife Theodora wrote a very famous book about him.  (I seem to remember
hearing somewhere that Ursula LeGuin in their daughter.)  His tribe,
which lived in the general vicinity of Mt. Lassen, was hunted down like
animals and (it was believed) exterminated by settlers in the area some-
time around 1900.  He survived the massacre and led a solitary life for
perhaps two decades until hunger and illness forced him out of the woods.
He was found by the police in Stockton and jailed (probably as a vagrant);
Kroeber was called in as a specialist in the Native American languages
of California to attempt to communicate with him.  It's pretty clear, if
the book can be trusted, that Kroeber meant well by Ishi, but I have no
independent information on the score.  Both Kroeber and Ishi were dead by
the time I was an undergraduate at Berkeley (where all this happened), but
their presence was still felt in the Anthropology Museum there.  -Robert

(Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM)
From: tratclif@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Tracy Ratcliff)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Antiquity of "Christmas"
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:59:41 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1992Dec23.084010.3782@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>: 
>: 	The age of these monuments -- _at least_ 4000-5000 years (I
>: don't recall precise figures), typically, which is a lot longer ago
>: than when Jesus Christ lived.
>
>If I recall correctly, the structures (such as Stonehenge) were started
>about 1000 BCE - maybe a bit earlier.
>
I _could_ make a quick dash to the bedroom to get the actual references, but, 
naaah, I'll be like most everyone on the net and just pop off...

From memory, Stonehenge was a later structure (ca. 1500 BCE?) but many 
megalithic structures in Western Europe predate the pyramids, 3000 BCE give
or take a few centuries.
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From: hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Subject: Poem DAWNTIME
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Date: 29 Dec 1992 10:21:14 +0100
Organization: University of Duisburg
Reply-To: hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke)
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Hi there - Stayka is here!

Here is another poem... (There are still several left) - Enjoy!

----------------------------- CUT HERE -------------------------------

DAWNTIME
--------
by Stayka deyAvemta
(c) 1991/12/12 

Our minds are awakening
In the dawning of time
Sunlight is sparkling
In the morning of time

Once there was the moon rising high
In the shades of twilight
Now everyone's shining bright
In the clear morning light

The magic is rising 
in the dawning of time
New souls, they are flying
When moon dark and day light combine

And we are singing 
The beginning of time
Songs of the dreaming
It's the new dawning's sign 

And I feel that yearning
Calling me up and away
Within me it's burning
The light of the new day

Once there was the moon rising high
In the shades of twilight
Now everyone's shining bright
In the clear morning light

Our minds are awakening
In the dawning of time
Sunlight is sparkling
In the morning of time

----------------------------- CUT HERE -------------------------------

(This is meant as a hymn to the awakening of mind, so it shall sound
 like a powerful melody that rises up into the skies...)

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Micaela "Stayka" Pantke  | And when you feel your mind dissolve
Westhoffstrasse 111      | Another life-form will evolve
W-4200 Oberhausen 11     | A child of purest energy
Germany                  | So you'll get immortality...
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From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: To: hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 04:51:15 PST

To: hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke)
Normally, I'd E-mail something like this, this is posted to the
newsgroup because Ms. Pantke doesn't have mail access.
 
I found a BBS system with Internet E-mail access in Germany for
you, I hope it's local to you.
--------------------- quote ----------------
 
A.Lizard warf unlaengst in den Raum:
> I know someone in Germany who is in need of a public system with no user
> fees. (she has news access through her school, but no mail access)
>
> W-4200 Oberhausen 11 Germany
>
> seems to describe her general area. Is this more or less local to you?
> (and did I extract the right part of her address?)
Seems to be the right part.
But I think, its more than 100km away, which leads to the highest fees in
germany (thats very easy here :-( )
 
> Can she get an account on your system, and if so, how?
 
She could easily call up my bbs (+49 2381 880081 or 880082), login as
"box" and then "new". After signing a user questionaire she gets access to
mail, netnews and file areas. Here email adress would be
        xxx@mamunx.hamm.sub.org (xxx is the account she signed on with)
 
If special needs are obvious, she could also get a shell account, but that
is very rare here (one must proove, that he can handle the system)-


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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:01:33 GMT


George Papp makes some interesting comments about oral tradition and evidence.

I, personally, am perfectly willing to accept oral tradition from someone who
doesn't seem to be working straight out of Gardner's BoS.  However, both 
Fam-Trads I know are incredibly unlike modern Wicca.  (They are also incredibly
unlike each other, as the two people who I know, and who know each other, will
agree.)  One is a tradition of some simple folk magic and some talents for 
Healing.  The other is more a tradition of mysticism than magic, though every
generation has had its share of magical practitioners.  *Neither* of them are
religions, and both are unwritten.  I acknowledge that this sort of Fam-Trad
exists, but I've seen no evidence of Wicca, or an ancestor religion of Wicca,
existing before Gardner.  If anyone has some, I'd love to hear more about it.

Enjoy the journey!
                      --Br'anArthur
                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change - Porcelain +
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:50:31 GMT
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs

In article <1329@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>In article <FaVwVB1w165w@circle.raleigh.nc.us>, lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown) writes...
>>Yikes, the best thing you could do with old portland cement is break it up 
>>and use it for rip-rap on a shoreline or as "gravel" in new cement.
>> 
>	And yet there is a gravel quarrey in the hills near my home. It amazes 
>me that we continue to dig up and grind rock to make gravel when there are all 
>sorts of materials that we just dump that could be used for this end purpose. 
>Cement and porcelain could be used as base in asphalt, maybe as a building 
>material in a new form of "aggregated concrete" on overpass abutments and other 
>such. 

This sounds like a good idea, but...

would you want to be the person sued by "victims of your incompetence"
when that overpass fell down and killed somebody?

The fact that the bridge fell down for reasons totally unrelated to the
use of recycled aggregate may not get you off the hook -- you could find
your professional life ruined if you take _perceived_ shortcuts and someone
gets hurt.  Many if not most professionals won't take that chance.

-- 
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:38:44 GMT


So, if someone can't back up hir statements, we should treat them as gospel 
because to do otherwise is to be narrowminded?
----

No, but I do think it gets tiresome
when the entire newsgroup has 
degenerated into arguments over the
arcane points of history.

I don't care if Wicca is ultimately
derived from a word meaning "Blind
Women who Dance With Pigs"; we're 
talking about changing the 
connotation, NOW, in our modern culture
of the word "Witch", which has, for a
long time, been connected with stereo-
types that practicing Witches aren't 
too happy about.

If a language is going to live, it
needs to be able to grow and evolve.
If Tammy wants to believe that the
word Wicca means the "Wise Ones",
and yes, I too have come across the 
same attribution, I don't think she's
harming anyone by posessing that 
belief.  She may not be 100%
historically accurate, but who cares?

-- 
I thank the Goddess for my life,
I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
     -- Z Budapest
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From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:00:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.211706.15412@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>Ashley is correct in pointing out that the biggest current problem
>wood products is clear-cut harvesting.  Woodlots CAN be managed for
>a sustained yield;  it costs a bit more than clear-cutting in the
>short term, but you get to cut the wood and sell it again a few years
>later if you use sustainable harvesting!  Much better long-term
>yield . . .

That was tried and it doesn't work.

A company harvesting redwoods in California took extreme care to
maintain their forest; they were held up as a shining example of an
ecologically responsible extractive company.

No good deed goes unpunished -- they were the victim of a hostile
takeover.  To pay off the debt, the new owners started clear-cutting
the redwood forest.

Final result:  the company is bankrupt and the forest is basically
trashed.  The loggers are out of work.  The lawyers and MBAs who
forced this down the original owners' throats are looking for new 
yachts and vacation homes.

Merry Christmas.

(Yes, I know I'm on alt.pagan.  Just remember the centerpiece of
the Christmas celebration -- a chopped down tree!)

-- 
Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:34:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.072222.6330@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>alizard@pil writes:
>: 
>: If these alleged rocket scientists have NUMBERS that demostrate that scaling
>: railguns up to the 1 metric ton range with output velocities in the 5
>: mi/second range are impossible,
>
>There would be little problem, in space. It cannot be done here on Earth,
>due to atmospheric drag.

Uh -- how do you keep the launching station from soaking up momentum by
shooting off in the opposite direction?  You'd have to build a PRETTY
BIG FUCKING STATION.

Blessings,
Janis
From: cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ray Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The behavior of Cats (was Re: Social inhibitions....)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:12:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Speaking of cats, my parents have one named Ichimin.  He prefers
the company of either myself or my mother.

Every morning, he wakes my mother up at the same time by meowing
from the doorway. If she doesn't get up, he will use his nose to
nudge her arm toward her head until her watch is in front of her
face. If she STILL hasn't gotten up, he will scratch the carpet
until she gets up to chase him off.

She would be shocked if I told her that I think she has found a
familiar. (She is a self-proclaimed "devout" Xtian.)
When I am visiting, I just call Ichi "very intelligent."  :)

Love and Light,

Antryg
-- 
Ray Henry   cn573@cleveland.freenet.edu

Sometimes with Bill Shankster in piggyback.  :)
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: WITCH was PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 w
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:10:34 PST

Re: Re: WITCH was PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 w
 
> From: arromdee@godel.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
> Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan,sci.skeptic
> Subject: Re: WITCH was PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:45:52 GMT
> >BINGO!
> I was under the impression that despite claims otherwise, modern-day worshipp
> that call themselves witches generally started their religion in modern times
> rather than having a direct connection to ancient worshippers.

Just out of curiousity, what is your personal interest, if any, as to what
pagans, witches, or any other non-Christian group choose to name themselves?
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
Subject: Re: The Antiquity of "Christmas"
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:21:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.184140.9006@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>In article <Po5awB2w165w@freeside.com> popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
>>                              I have even heard rumors of Solstice Cards 
>>being available here and there.  This term is more accurate, anyway, of 
>
>Here & there? Rumors? I send mine out every year; this year, it was even
>printed on the front of the card, along with the design (ok, ok, so I
>did the linoleum block myself; you could, too, if you wanted, or design
>them on your machine, print them out & copy them; why put up with the
>garbage on commercial cards?).

Well, I shudder to think of Hallmark Solstice cards, but there are some
very appropriate ones sold by groups such as the Sierra Club, and a lot
of folk sell lovely Solstice and note cards. If you can't/won't do your
own, support your fellow Pagans!


*) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *) *)!(* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (* (*
Jo Ann Malina, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Neither Stanford nor the DOE would be caught dead with these opinions.
Nor do they consult me when formulating theirs.
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From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Why the Cross?
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 01:51:58 GMT

In article <29DEC199212214576@jane.uh.edu> lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>
>The early symbol of Xtianity was the fish, like is becomming popular 
>today.

Why was the fish a symbol?  Anyone have a good idea?  Even a bad one might
be amusing.  :-)

Ride Free,

Bill
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Hello friends, lovers, and interested readers,

The office calendar is about to start a new year, and I have planned my
3 personal holidays and some vacation, and perhaps we shall meet!
1 Feb-5 Feb, August 2, November 1, and November 22 (b-day)

ObPagan:     Do you know why I chose these dates?  When are you off work?
ObCallahans: Your first view of me is as I descend the spiral staircase.
ObDrugs:     I hope to have a good trip.  ;-)
ObBA:        I'm planning on spending my vacation in San Francisco.
ObBi:        When we meet, please do NOT tickle me.  Please do HUG me.  =D
ObNude:      I'm looking forward to meeting you in the flesh.

I may be contacted at either 415-593-0500 or 415-593-5101, call anytime.
One of those lines may be answered by machine; don't be surprised by what you
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Or... you can write me via U.S. Mail.  Mail sent to this address will get to me:
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I look forward to new friendships for the new year.  Love.
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