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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Keywords: nn
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:55:09 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) wrote:
}
}                           I would expect that to be Nebraska or 
}something, probably dating back to the 60's, maybe the 50's.  What
}about Penn State?  They had a couple of stumbling years a few years
}ago, but did they dip below .500? 

Pepsi State (note spelling) finished 5-6 in 1988.  Our Lady had in
losing season in '85 or '86.  Alabama went 5-6 in 1984.  USC went
3-8 last year.  My guess is Oklahoma or Nebraska has had the most
consecutive winning seasons.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
        "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
                   was what we meant to find."
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Trojan News Vol#1
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:54:17 GMT

valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) wrote:

> USC FOOTBALL GOALS
>
>1. Play each game showing class and sportsmanship
>2. Earn A USC Degree
>3. Beat UCLA and Notre Dame
>4. Go To The Rose Bowl
>5. Win A National Championship

to which I jokingly replied, after an interjection by
someone that only 3 were possible, 

>>I think 1 and 2 are questionable at this point! :-)

now Valdis is upset and says:

>What facts to you have to back this up? Granted,that #1 is seen
>mainly in the eyes of the beholder,but with #@ realize that there
>have been MORE USC football players that had been chosen Academic
>All-Americans than any other team in the PAC-10 and fith most in
>the nation. It may seem hard to belive, but is an actual FACT!

I am all aware of that, the purpose of the smiley was to indicate
that I was joking. 

On the other hand, it would be nice to see less penalties
committed by the Trojans on the field, as pointed out by another
USC fan. 

>Valdis Kalejs

Serdar

PS: I have a hunch USC will beat ND this year, but
not end up in the Rose Bowl. It is a 'recovery' year after all!













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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:10:40 GMT

>Texas has a similar lead over Texas A&M.  Would you describe Texas A&M
>as a "punch drunk sparring partner" for Texas?  (It's okay with me, by
>the way, but Goob might object.)

out of curiosity's sake, what is the series record from 1876-1945, and
what is the series record from 1945-1991?  call it the pre-nuclear, 
and forward pass era, to the modern era...  I don't have a guide to
count up the wins/losses, but I really am curious.

cmuck

ps- sure, A&M is a "punch drunk sparring partner" for Texas, but what
does that make Texas?  I would be ashamed to get pummelled by a drunk.
(of course the last few years have been closer than they were in the
early-mid 80's)
From: rszczerb@tagore.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win it all??
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:16:40 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <65748@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
>}
>}Nobody ended the series ... 
>
>Oh, then it's still going on?   ;-)
>                                 ^
>                                 |-----  Look, Bob, this means it's
>                                         a joke, just like the last
>                                         one.
>

Actaully, I should have put a few more :) :) at the end of my statement.	

Sorry 'bout that.

	- Rob
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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win it all??
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:48:03 GMT

In article <65748@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
|> This is an interesting bit of subterfuge.  Notre Dame quit playing
|> Miami after 1990 and FSU and Washington have yet to appear on the
|> schedule. 

		[ 1990, 1991, 1992 schedules deleted ]
|> 
|> So it seems pretty clear that neither Florida State nor Washington 
|> replaced Miami on Our Lady's schedule. 

Notre Dame comes to Husky Stadium (Don's house) on October 7, 1995.

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From: davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder)
Subject: Football Plays.
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:02:55 GMT

	Greetings Football Fans.  This is my first year coaching Pop Warner
football.  I am currently drawing up a playbook for the team.  I would
greatly appreciate any plays anyone in the net universe could send me.  I am
mostly interested in blocking assignments and passing plays.


				Thanks in advance,
					Dave Crowder
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Winless teams (All Divisions), 1991
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:39:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Aug19.223916.15923
Organization: The Ohio State University

Cliff Slaughterbeck writes:

>>Bates               0-7-1

>Say, Pat, you don't suppose this college is located somewhere near South
>Bend do you?

Yes!  And graduates go on to break people's ankles in movies!

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- My imitation Elvis may not be the King --
- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:18:23 GMT

hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.232520.18947@javelin.sim.es.com>, dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit) writes:

>> >                        
>> I get a kick out of all the sour grapes on this topic.  Every complaint
>> I've heard fails to mention that a couple of games into the 85 season, just
>> a couple of games after winning the MNC, BYU thumped Washington 31-3.
>> Washington was not locked into the Orange bowl and could have chosen to
>> play BYU for the MNC, but passed on the Holiday Bowl because of lack of
>> $prestige.  Any crying by them is just 'sour grapes'.
>> 
>> -- 
>>   Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
>>   Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108

>How is the '85 season relevent to '84?  Using Diana's logic, one could say Washington was the best team in '84 because Washington destroyed BYU in '86, which the Huskies did.  I can't stand people who put weight on games played the following year.  College teams change, sometimes quite drastically, from season to season.  Your argument, Diana, shows your lack of wisdom.


I really don't care either way, but if the majority of the teams were 
the same, then I'd say there is some releavence.  If both teams or one team
had a large turnover of players, for whatever reason then there is none.

I'd say, if 80-90% of the total teams reamained and almost all of the
'key/skill' positions returned, that the following years game probably proved
that BYU deserved what they got even with the weak schedule.  If many
of the players on either team were seniors or left for other reasons, then
all bets are off.

I tend to believe the argument that you can't use next year as a measure is
no worse than just saying 'you had a weak schedule and did not deserve it.'
With a weak schedule, we really have no idea if they deserved it or not. 
They did go undefeated, and there was at least one team better than U-Dub
that year!

Todd

>-Brian
From: jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Jeff Mejia))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: News from the Swamp (Gator News)
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:12:18 GMT

Here's a quick rundown of news from the "Swamp" (Spurrier's preferred nickname
of Florida Field)

1. As the Gators start practicing in pads today (8/20), the freshman offensive
line recruits, expecially Reggie Green (6'7", 295) are lookin good and hope to
shore up what is surely the weakest area of the Gators this season.  Redshirt
freshaman Scott Joslyn, who was expected to help out on the line LAST year but
was woefully overweight, again did not report to practice in shape, and was
subsequently kicked off the team for missing classes this summer.

2. The defensive line is going to be very thin in depth this year, due to the
absence of Darren Mickell and Micheal Kerr.  It is not known if returning
senior DE Harvey Thomas will have recovered from his leg injury last year in
time to start in the game against Kentucky.  Willie "Big Hurt" Gaines looks
impressive so far at defensive tackle and appears to have recovered from his
off-season shoulder surgery.

3. Senor BB (Bandit Back) Monty Grow has learned that he will be eligible to
play in the Kentucky game.  Remember that Grow was suspended last year,
reprotedly for taking steroids.  There was some concern that Grow would not be
able to play in this year's first game, since he played in one game last year
before he was suspended.  Apparently, though, the NCAA rule is clear on this
point and states that the player is suspended for one full CALENDAR year; since
the Gators don't open play until Sept. 12 and his last game was on Sept. 7 of
last year, he is eligible to play.

4. It looks like Scott Edminston (sp?) is the placekicker to beat in the
tryouts to replace Arden Czesewski, but until someone performs in a game
situation, no one will know how well they will do.  This makes the kicking game
another area of concern for the Gators.

An extended analysis of the Gator team and of its upcoming season is in the
works (I know, who cares!)
-- 
	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
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From: hunter@tacos.caltech.edu (TODD HUNTER)
Subject: PSU-BYU game
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:00:00 GMT

Can any Cougar fans tell me if the Oct. 31st game is sold out?
If so, what are the chances of finding people selling tickets
outside the stadium on game day? (I've never been to a game in Provo.)

Please email to hunter@tacos.caltech.edu

Thanks
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ND Trouble: word on the streets
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:48:49 GMT

I've done some checking with some alumni friends in Seattle, and
the word on the streets now is that the couple responsible for the
alleged violations are DuBose's god-parents.  If this is true, that
they are legitimate god-parents, then there is no violation as far
as I am concerned because the couple are his family.  Supposedly,
they had been helping him long before he attended Notre Dame.  I
have been told that DuBose's family is quite poor.

My info comes from an ND grad who has talked with the couple about
DuBose at a Seatle ND Alumni meeting in the past.

More as I hear it.

-Mike Noonan
From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: The Wack attack
Date: 13 Aug 1992 16:57:06 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com

 Now that Minnesota has new coach Jim Wacker promising
to "air" it out in the Metrodome, Golden Gopher fans
(both of us ;^) ) are excited about their chances this year.
Here is a biased pre-season prediction.
(What ? No Northwestern this year ? Oh well, at least we're
still playing Purdue ;^) )

   
   9/12   San Jose State (home game)
Won last year, win this year.

   9/19   Colorado       (home game)
Got womped last year, will lose this year.

   9/26   Pittsburgh     (away game)
Close loss last year, will win this year.

   10/3   Illinois       (home game)
Should beat the Illini this year

   10/10  Purdue         (away game)
Win

   10/17  Michigan St.   (homecoming game)
Lost last year, will win this year.

   10/24  Michigan       (away game)
For the Jug, the jug will stay in Ann Arbor this year, loss.

   10/31  Indiana        (home game)
Won the last time at the Dome, will win this time too..

   11/7   Ohio State     (away game)
Big Upset, Cooper gets canned.

   11/14  Wisconsin      (away game)
Badgers too beat up, Gophers win (In the Mad city)

   11/21  Iowa           (home game)
Another Big upset, for the first time in 

Overall:
 9-2 (7-1 in Big Ten)

Shock of the year, Beat Michigan for B10 crown, Go to RBowl.

(I hear my wife's voice cutting through the fog, "Wake up Tom, 
 Wake up....")

-Tom
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Product Support
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Ma. 02142
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From: gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall)
Subject: Re: Fair Weather Fans
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:25:13 GMT

In article <Bt8KoM.7Ls@news.larc.nasa.gov> dtice@avd23.larc.nasa.gov (David C. Tice) writes:
>Oh my, a post from Ohio State flaming USC for firing a coach with a 26-21-1 
>record.  Didn't OSU have a coach who had at least 8 or 9 wins
>a year and they ran him out of town on a rail???  Recall Earle Bruce?
>Now that was the height of loyalty, wasn't it?

If you had any sort of clue regarding the mindset of the OSU football program,
you'd know that Bruce's firing had NOTHING to do with his _overall_ and seasonal
records. You can win every game throughout the season, BUT if you don't
win The Big One ... the season is simply a failure.  Couple
that with some bowl game losses (a la Cooper) ... and ... you're history as an
OSU coach.  Another underlying factor to Bruce's dismissal was his lack
of charisma.  Bruce came in after one of the most charismatic college 
coachs in the history of the game to date.  He handled the pressure well,
I might say ... and he was a *good* coach ... not a great one, however.
If it wasn't for a certain Art Schlicter era in the early '80's, his departure
may have come even sooner.  The OSU football program isn't based on academics,
isn't based on nurturing the student-athelete, and certainly isn't based on
loyalty.  It's based on a winning tradition and it will be achieved at all 
costs as long as it has the nations largest alumni association at its wheel.

Did I mention, "Go Bucks!" :)




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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:49:52 GMT
Distribution: na

Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith writes
+ In article <10313@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)  
writes:
+ >J.J.Clyde writes
+ >
+ >+ So STAND up for your schedule cmuck, and I'll see you Sept 5!!!!!!!!!
+ >
+ >Let us have a Cardinal for dinner, first. Did I say "for" dinner? I meant
+ >AS dinner. Then we can have a tiger for a lite snack.
+ 
+ Did you mean "for" a lite snack, or AS a lite snack?

*BUUUUURP* Oh, excuse me. I should have made that clear.

James
Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: al.sorhaindo.jr.@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo Jr.) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: re: greatest ever?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo.jr.@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo Jr.) 

> Mel Kiper lists 3 Miami Hurricane receivers in the top 9 for next years
> draft.  Has there ever been a receiving corp as good as Horace Copeland,
> Kevin Williams, and Lamar Thomas?  If so, who?



How about the same school's receivers in 1987 and 1988 ?

Michael Irvin - 17th pick in the draft, should have been higher.
Brian Blades  - 3rd round selection of the Seattle Seahawks
Brett Periman - 2nd round pick of the New Orleans Saints. Now plays
                with Brian Blades' brother Benny in Detroit.


Supposedly Lamar Thomas did not declare himself eligible for the draft
because scouts told him he would not be drafted until the 3rd round
because he is not fast enough. The NFL scouts do not seem to realize
that there are some attributes mote important than speed when it comes
to being a great receiver. Otherwise, Alexander Wright, Renaldo Nehemiah,
Sam Graddy, and Ron Brown would be all-pro's while there would be no place
in the league for the Chris Carters, Tom Waddles, Steve Largents, Al Toons,
etcetera.

                                         Al
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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Bowl Records
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.123433.1@max.u.washington.edu>
daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>I've compiled some bowl statistics that I though everyone would like
>to look at.  One note, I COULD NOT FIND STATS FOR THE INDEPENDANTS, so
>you won't see Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.  If anyone has them, please
>feel free to post them or add to this!  Thanks.
>
>MOST BOWL VICTORIES
>
>1. Alabama     24
>2. USC         22
>3. Oklahoma    19
>4. Georgia Tech17
>   Tennessee   17
    Penn St     17      <====== addition to original list
>6. Texas       16
>7. Georgia     14
>   Nebraska    14
>9. Mississippi 13
>10.Washington  12
>   Auburn      12
>
>BEST % (Five or more Bowl Appearances)
>
>Toledo         87.5%
>Purdue         80%
>Oklahoma St.   75%
>Kentucky       71.4%
>Miami (OHIO)   71.4%
>Georgia Tech   68%
>Oklahoma       65%
>USC            64.7%
 Notre Dame     64.7%   <====== addition to original list
>Fresno St.     63.6%
>Arizona St.    63.3%
>Washington     62.5%
>Clemson        61.1%
 Penn St        60.7%   <====== addition to original list
>Florida St.    60%
                ^^
Florida St is 11-7-2.  60% is correct if one uses the usual method of
assigning 1/2 win for each tied game.
 
>Worst % (Five or more appearances)
>
>South Carolina 0%
>Virginia Tech  16.7%
                ^^^^
This is correct - Virginia Tech is 1-5-0 in major bowl games.
>Kansas         16.7%
>Wisconsin      16.7%
>Texas Tech     25%
 Tulane         25%     <====== addition to original list
>Colorado       31.3%
>Arizona        31.3%
>TCU            32.1%
>BYU            34.4%
 Tulsa          36.4%   <====== addition to original list
>N. Carolina    37.5%
>Oregon         37.5%
>Arkansas       38.9%
>
>20 or more bowl appearances:
>
>Alabama        44
>USC            34
>Texas          34
>Tennessee      32
>Oklahoma       30
>Nebraska       30
>Georgia        30
>LSU            28
 Penn St        28      <====== addition to original list
>Arkansas       27
>Georgia Tech   25
>Mississippi    24
>Ohio State     24
>Auburn         23
>Michigan       23
>Washington     20
>Florida St.    20
 
Most Consecutive Seasons with Bowl-Game Victories
 
Florida St       7  12-30-85 thru 01-01-92 (Streak is still alive)
UCLA             7  01-01-83 thru 01-02-89
Alabama          6  12-31-75 thru 01-01-81
Nebraska         6  12-20-69 thru 12-31-74
Georgia Tech     6  01-01-52 thru 12-29-56
 
Grand Slam Teams (Have Won the Rose, Orange, Cotton, Sugar)
 
Alabama          (Has won each one at least TWICE)
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Notre Dame
 
My Favorite Bowl Trivia
 
Bucknell, now a Division I-AA member of the Patriot Conference, has
played in only one major bowl game -- the inaugural Orange Bowl --
where they thumped the Miami Hurricanes 26-0 before a record-setting
crowd of 5,134.
From: doel@ausable.crd.ge.com (Michael Doel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More Bucks news
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:37:33 GMT
Reply-To: doel@crd.ge.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Research & Development

In article <1992Aug20.191433.3675@cis.ohio-state.edu>, atchison@bagpipe.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
> SG>In article <1992Aug20.135732.5476@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:

> SG>Also, any information on Corey Stringer (the next great OSU lineman :)) ?
> SG>Does it look as though he's a prospective starter?  I think the Bucks
> SG>are expecting great things from this guy.
> 
> Korey Stringer (6'6" 315lb true freshman) has been impressive in his first
> week in the Scarlet and Gray.  To project him as a starter after 7 days,
> however may be a bit premature.  In his own words, 
> 	" I feel there's a lot of people putting undue pressure on me
> 	  to come out and all of a sudden become the next Jim Lachey.
> 	  Offensive line is a position that you have to learn, and it
> 	  takes time."

Not to mention that the Bucks already have a pretty solid offensive
line.  All five are returning starters, so I wouldn't expect to see
Corey in the starting lineup this year (barring injuries). 

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Subject: Re: Northwestern vs ND
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:04:20 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.


Tickets went on sale 2 weeks ago through ticketmaster in Chicago, phone no -
312-559-1212

mike@spss.com                   |   ABM - Anyone but Miami
Mike Cornwall                   |
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Beaverz, Indians (they were in 1927?) and the MNC
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:53:57 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

I would like to retract my statement that the Beaverz and the Stanford
Indians (I hope this is their correct past nickname) would never
ever have won the MNC, since it seems they both did!

I still find the concept of a Cardinal MNC in the 1990's as
expounded by someone in this group 'interesting' to say the
least.

Anyway, go Gooberz of A&M!

Serdar

-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722