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From: hurf@boa.graphics.cornell.edu (Hurf Sheldon)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: 027 gauge, anyone here using?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:00:31 GMT
Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
Distribution: world
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	Lonel still makes 027!

	I recently bought a brand new 027 set for my kids and we have 
	enjoyed it immensely - Serious nostalgia for the massive  O
	collection my dad gave away while I was in the Army -
	I saw an ad in the New York Times for a
	Lionel dealer near Boston that claimed to have the largest
	inventory of Lionel stuff but (like a fool) didn't cut it
	out a the time. We would like to add some rolling stock and
	a switch or two. If anyone can tell me who ran the above ad or
	mention other sources I would appreciate it.

-- 
     Hurf Sheldon			 Network: hurf@graphics.cornell.edu
     Program of Computer Graphics	 Phone:   607 255 6713

     580 Eng. Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. 14853  
     
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: WinLok 1.0 digital model railroad control program for windows
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:05:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.195918.22567@ncar.ucar.edu> hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.113447.422@sgcl1.unisg.ch> tannerha@sgcl1.unisg.ch 
>writes:
>
>> I just placed a copy of my new digital model railroad control program on
>> the ftp-site  wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/windows 
>directory.
>
>Be forewarned that the documentation for this program is "auf Deutsch" [in 
>German]. Since I don't have access to a Windows system I don't know if the 
>program's menus, etc. are also written in German.
>
I have windows and have brought the program up EVERYTHING is in German!!!
Even the pull down menus are changed a really interesting experience.

There is over a Meg of documentation all in German.  I sure wish I
remembered more.
From: tannerha@sgcl1.unisg.ch
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: WinLok 1.0 digital model railroad control program for windows
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:34:47 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

I just placed a copy of my new digital model railroad control program on
the ftp-site  wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/windows directory.
The Files are WINLOK.ZIP and WINLOK.TXT.
WinLok 1.0 is a demo version, that is fully functional. Feel free to make
copies of the files and distribute them.
For any questions about WinLok 1.0 pleas send a mail to the following adress:
TANNERHA@alpha.unisg.ch
Have a lot of fun with WinLok 1.0
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:21:38 GMT

In article <1jk2h6INN9ui@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw936@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory K. Ramsey) writes:
>
>I am looking to purchase in HO scale models of a Baldwin RS-12 and any
>of the Thomas the Tank Engine characters.  I understand a company called
>"Hornby" makes the Thomas engines in HO but I don't know who if anybody
>makes the RS-12 (note not the RS-11 which is common).  If anybody knows
>of a store in So Cal or a mail order house that carries either of these
>I would like to here from you.

Stewart just produced the RS-12 in HO.  Toy Train Heaven (ads in
Railroad Model Craftsman) carries them, though they may not be in the
current ad yet.


>Ideally the RS-12 would be lettered for the California Western #56 or
>for the Mcloud River RR.  We recently received the CWR 56 at Travel Town
>(in Griffith Park in LA) which is what got me interested in the RS-12.

Roads Stewart is producing are CNJ, CP, NYC, PRR.  Your two preferences
are unlikely to be produced so you'll probably have to have it painted
yourself.


Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Engine weathering
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:31:11 GMT


I've recently (within the past year or two) begun taking HO modeling
very seriously and am working on a layout of a fictional area
one might find up towards the northeast in the 40's or 50's.
I am interested in weathering, particularly weathering of cab
units - F's, FA's, PA's, E's, etc...
I have been looking for material (books, etc) about weathering,
but i havent found anything that talks about it at any length.
can anyone out there suggest any titles that might help?

if not, or even if so, any weathering suggestions or hints that
anyone can give me would be GREATLY appreciated.  thanks much...


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From: dans@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Has anyone used foam for roadbed?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:24:46 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

In article <1993Jan26.155252.3355@mcs.anl.gov>, winans@xray.aps.anl.gov (John R. Winans) writes:

|> This stuff is pink and is NOT styrofoam.  I think it has a silver
|> foil on one side and has the consistancy and strength of the expanding foam
|> that is marketed under names like "Great Stuff" and "Mountains in Minutes".
|> 
	I've started using something similar, called "foam-core". It's 
	basically foam sheeting covered on both sides with thin cardboard.
	Sold in art supply stores, it comes in 1/4" and 3/8" thickness. It's
	inexpensive (4x4 sheet for $4) and cuts easily with a utility knife.

	The nice thing about it is that the cardboard surface holds the
	foam together, eliminating the "fuzz" problems of styrofoam, and
	also provides a nice, smooth surface to glue the track/ballast to.
	Here in Florida, we frequently have high humidity, and I am concerned
	that Homasote would cause problems. The foam-core is much more
	resistant to moisture.

	I have been using it on top of 1/4" plywood for my roadbed; it's
	very stiff but the 1/4" foam-core is a little flimsy to support 
	track by itself.
	
Dan                                             o
                                     ____  o o
Dan-Sullivan@orl.mmc.com            (_/\_)o
Martin Marietta Electronic Systems    ()=o
MP 1160, Orlando, FL USA
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means
 what you think it means."
From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:27:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Need Suggestions for Glueing Styrene to Wood
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

Walthers Goo.
From: 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Has anyone used foam for roadbed?
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:08:47 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan26.155252.3355@mcs.anl.gov>, winans@xray.aps.anl.gov (John R. Winans) writes:
> This stuff is pink and is NOT styrofoam.  I think it has a silver
> foil on one side and has the consistancy and strength of the expanding foam
> that is marketed under names like "Great Stuff" and "Mountains in Minutes".

The various blue, pink and white extruded foams are supposed to be
the styrenes of choice for this sort of thing, as opposed to classic
'bead board,' which is cheap but has low structural strength.  There's
a company that I think is called Polyterrain that sells various water-
soluble scenicking materials that has a booklet on using extruded foam.
I think their basic recommendation was not to 'cookie-cutter' a layout
but to build up terrain by laminating foam sections, holding them
together with toothpicks while the glue dries.

I'm not sure what's available in your area, but foam without the
vapor barrier (foil) ought to be cheaper.

> The only issue I am not sure of would be how to mount track.  Foam can be a 
> strange animail when it comes to glues.

A good-quality tacky aliphatic glue like Franklin's will work fine,
although it will take longer to dry on double non-porous surfaces.
For my (uncompleted) project along these lines, which used bead board,
I glued cork roadbed to the foam with Franklin's and track to the cork
the same way.  I used Liquid Nails to attach the foam to a wood base,
and it didn't seem to attack the foam much, but was hard to work with.
The big-league recommendation for these applications (which I've read
several places, none of which I now can cite) is water-based contact
cement.  I finally found some (after a long search), but haven't tried
to use it yet.  You'd think the ultimate solution for track would be rolls of
double-sided foam tape (poster-mounting-type stuff) roadbed.  I think
there's a commercial product like this and there was an article in
_Model Railroader_ a few (6, 7?) months ago on building a jig to cut
your own from bulk foam tape.

I've tried with mixed results to use various shapes of rasp-surfaced
drill bits to rout out ditches and lowered terrain on bead board.
This (a) makes a Gawd-awful mess and (b) leaves a surface that's
not only fuzzy but (with bead board) too rough for N-scale dirt.
I tried smoothing it with the only material I had readily on hand,
which was Red Devil One-Step (or some name like that) instant spackle.
The resulting 'composite' (bead board/lightweight spackle) turned out
to be *remarkably* strong.  Evidently the elasticities and hardnesses
of these materials complement each other in some way.  You might
want to keep this in mind for small-scale usage;  it's awfully
expensive ($6/quart or so) for extensive coverage.  

Christopher Gunn	Molecular Graphics and Modeling Lab
SPAN--KUPHSX::GUNN	Department of Medicinal Chemistry, Malott Hall
913-864-4428 or -4495	University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS  66045
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: munoz@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (David Munoz)
Subject: Windtalker info seen on rec.hangliding
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:49:09 GMT

Howdy people,

I saw this on rec.hangliding and thought it might
be interesting for some people here.

David Munoz

===================================================================
From: Dave Wills <wills@netcom.com>
Subject: Windtalkers
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:34:18 -0800

The number that Don Burns gave is the Windtalker at Ed Levin Park in the
San Francisco Bay Area.  This Windtalker was designed and built by
Wayne Ashby of the Wings of Rogallo.  This unit has pretty archaic voice
generation, but reports most useful information.  Wayne eventually sold
(I think) this design to Litek Instruments in Oregon (503-479-6633, Chuck
Kanavle).  The Litek version of this Windtalker, the Windtalker I, had
been installed at Fort Funston for years, and had continual problems,
mostly due to the severe weather at the coast. I volunteered to take a
look, and after seeing the poor quality, recommended that the Fellow
Feathers purchase a new Windtalker II.

The Windtalker II has a much improved female voice, and additional but
unused features.  After about a year, the Windtalker II started to have
some problems.  It was returned for repair once, and now has been
disconnected for an extended period of time.

My personal opinion is that these units are probably pretty reliable.  I'm
just not sure why Funston continues to have problems with it.  The
Windtalker II is professionally done with no shoddy workmanship, and a
tremendous improvement over the Windtalker I.  I do know that Litek sells
nationwide and this instrument is used a lot by the windsurfer crowd.

Litek is now selling the Windtalker III.  I don't know what the differences
are.

------------------------------
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Question: Layline
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:19:49 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <1jnnc7$3gk@DIALix.oz.au> atr@DIALix.oz.au (Australian Technology Resources) writes:
>Hi there,
>
>can anybody out there in netland explain what a layline is,
>and what they are used for?
>

The 'layline' is the ideal course to the mark. In practice, and especially
while beating to windward, you probably can't hold to teh layline. The
direction of the wind relative to the layline determines which is the best tack
to take.

I think this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.

Jim Munro
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: somlo@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Peter Somlo)
Subject: No sharks in Sydney?
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Applied Physics, Sydney
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:10:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.113917.15412@ecrc.de> jeanmarc@ecrc.de writes:
>This mail is forwarded from
>	Bruce "The Sailboard Kid" Carney
>	email: bcarney@awadi.com.au
>at his request.
>
>>From jeanmarc@ecrc.de (Jean-Marc Andreoli)
>>Subject: Windsurfing around Sidney.
>>Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 10:27:23 GMT
>
>
>ShArKs.  :-)
>
>I have surfed and windsurfed for years and have NEVER seen a shark. City beaches
>are patrolled and they warn you when there are sharks about. This is not to say
>there aren't sharks around, and they do catch some big ones out to sea of the
>coast, but it really is a non-issue. In my living memory there has not been a
>shark attack in this area and when you consider the number of people who
>surf/swim at the beaches you are safer than driving your car. As on magazine put
>it - Sharks don't eat brightly coloured triangular sails.
>
>
>Bruce "The Sailboard Kid" Carney
>email: bcarney@awadi.com.au
>

Two summers ago (i.e. Dec.- Feb. down-under) I saw a shark (fin) (about 15
cm triangular, dark) on Pittwater (a Sydney inlet), slowly cruising in the
opposite direction from me about 50 m away. It was definitely not a
dolphin. I kept my direction and so did the shark, but after some 10 s
after me sighting the fin it slowly descended. 

Two weeks ago, at Longreef (Fisherman's Beach) I saw a `stationary' shark
fin and as I was getting closer I saw a splash and it disappeared. I guess
that fish would have been not longer than about 1 m. There are sharks
about, but they seem to leave windsurfers alone (surf-board riders are a
different story though).

-- 
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Head RF/Microwave Proj. | Natl. Meast. Lab.     |  sides - at least"
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From: kenb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Ken Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:46:53 GMT
Subject: Re: downhauler
Organization: Shred Heads Board Room
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

short@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Nancy Short) writes:

> Hello! I've been thinking of buying the new "flip-n-easy"
> advertised in Windsurf mag.  It is a mast extension with a
> lever you use to downhaul the sail.  It is supposed to be
> very easy to use.  Does anyone have one?  Do they work as
> advertised?

I've heard from a couple of the HP shred heads that they were
breaking at the San Francisco show a couple of months ago (Kirk?
KenP? isn't that right?).  But hey, we need a guinea pig to check
them out.  Let us know how it works!

Ken "Still Snowboarding" Brown
From: ohdav@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (David OH)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: PHYSICS OF FINS
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:27:39 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server


On the same theme, there must be some simulation software around that allows
lift from foils to be modelled....I tested 12 fins over the last three months!
Sheesh, wish there was an easier way........especially since the fins ranged
from garbage (Mistral) to excellent.

Sukhdev "i just wanna sail" Singh
sukhdev@hpss2.sgp.hp.com
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:59:58 GMT
Subject: Re: rowing attachment
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>Has anybody heard of a rowing attachment for windsurfers?  I 
>saw an ad once but no longer have it.  Any help greatly
>appreciated.   thanks!!!
>
>-dkl@frame.com
>----------
Well, I got some bungies and attached my beach chair to my 9'9" one
windless, 100F day at San Luis and borrowed a kids raft paddle.
Problem was the chair kept slipping and I kept getting wet which was
half the fun anyway.

Next year I might try some of those board to rack straps that won't
stretch and see how it works.  Film at 11.

Surf jousting is also a possibility:  You need 2 players.  Seperate
50ft or so, stand on a board with a mast for balance.  Use the mast
to pole the board towards your foe and knock him or her off his or her 
board with the mast.  Helmets and eye protection strongly advised.
On shore cameras are a must.

8-)

Kirk out (of mind?)
From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: gear wanted (NZ)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:12:15 GMT
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.
NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz

New Zealand Ad for those who don't read the NZ wanteds

WANTED: race/slalom sails in good condition 4.5 - 6.5m2
	high wind slalom board 8'10" to 9'0"
	H3 style pointer fin (not for above), std finbox mount
	boom to suit above sails
	2 piece mast to suit above sails

anyone with any of above for sail please contact me (Wellington
based )

Ta, Bruce
From: Heybc
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Weird Windsurfer/Hydrofoil Thing
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:27:29 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1993Jan25.144836.16027@newssun.med.miami.edu>
dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>I went out this past weekend and saw the oddest windsurfer: it had
>four long, thin skegs coming from the the bottom, two near the
>stern, two near the bow.  (Actually, this is only an approximate
>description because I was a little too far to make it out exactly.)
>
>When he started moving fast, the ENTIRE board would lift out of the
>water, sort of like a hydrofoil.  The board would clear the water
>by nearly a foot and a half (tail and all)!
>
>
>Does anyone have an idea what this thing was?

I've seen ads fro hydrofoils you clamp onto a board. 
Two Pieces: A single V foil on the front, 
and a pair of side by side V's on the back. 
A friend mentioned he saw on once.

Bill Crick  If its weird, I'll try to sail it!
From: patrick@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Barry Patrick)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:49:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Info request for Cabarete, Dom. Republic
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

/ hpcc01:rec.windsurfing / nash@Think.COM (Brian Nash) /  6:48 am  Jan 20, 1993 /

>In a fit of wind withdrawal I think I just committed to an excursion
>to Cabarete in the Dominican Republic.  Has anybody gone there?
>What conditions can I expect in mid-March?  Things to do/see?

I went to Cabarete last May and got 3 days of good (5.0) sailing in
2 weeks. The rest of the time it was soooo dead that even Vela 
willingly gave "no wind credits". And it rained every day! 
I went riding (horse) one day out of shear boredom. It was fun, but
not what I went there for. You can also bike, rent scooters, hang out,
all of which are fun to do in a place like the RD.
I think March could be a litte iffy for wind, though.
BP 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pad@galaxy.nsc.com (Paul Denny x8349)
Subject: Re: roof racks
Keywords: soft tops
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:13:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.152559.1501@grover.clarity.com>, harry@grover.clarity.com (Harry Burks) writes:
> searching with purpose.....I've seen a VW cabriolet with a set of roof
> racks made especially for this type of vehicle. I pointed it out to a 
> friend of mine who owns a cabriolet and he talked to the owner about it.
> Apparently they are expensive, (approx $300) but they're rugged, stylish,
> and have good capacity. Sorry I don't have the brand name.... but they DO
> exists. My buddy is out of the country right now, I'll try to get more
> data later.
> 
> 	Harry Burks

Harry,

This sounds brilliant - I'll keep searching now - if you do get furter
details please drop me an email. Another poster suggested tying the 
board to the roll bar and front bumper which I have considered but
am keeping as a last ditch method because you have to have the roof 
down which is a pain for long/fast journeys and you need to dry the
gear off on the way home if you don't want salt crystals growing on the
seats. I'm also a bit chary of what would happen on the freeway if
the front tie-down came adrift...

Thanks for the help everyone - Paul
From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Downhauling
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:20:10 GMT
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.
NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz

...
>I don't hold the mast at all while I am pulling - I just pull 
>straight down on the downhaul with both hands. I suppose I must 
>be adjusting the direction of the downward force to balance the 
>boom on its clew end, but this come pretty naturally. Just try it. 
>
...>
>Ned

Any sign of the pulley/cleat coming away from the mast base? On
my bases (cleat riveted on) this would load the rivets directly
instead of the normal sheer forces.
Bruce
From: markbi@pogo.wv.tek.com (Mark Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Rename rec.windsurfing to rec.outdoors.windsurfing
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:59:05 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. Wilsonville

In article <RIGG.93Jan25114817@valeron.che.wisc.edu>, rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
> Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
> several group suggesting that the groups be moved to the rec.outdoors.
> hierarchy which currently contains just rec.outdoors.fishing.
> 


What about indoor windsurfing??? I guess that the French will be left without
a newgroup.....


BTW.. Has there been any indoor windsurfing events other than in Paris??
Any planned for the US??
From: dave@diku.dk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Downhauling
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:30:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

It would appear to have the same effect as over-outhauling the sail
before putting on the downhaul, which is probably a slightly more
common method. Your method looks a bit more tricky to do, but worth a
try.

Dave (tons of wind in DK at the moment:-)
From: goertzen@unixg.ubc.ca (Leslie Goertzen)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: surfing without wind
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:27:32 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	I hadn't noticed this group here before, looks interesting, esp.
technical descriptions of fins, boards etc. Excuse me for asking a question
that you all might have seen before, but does anyone here contribute to or regularly read newsserver info on plain surfing (the ocean/wave thing)? Ever 
heard of any? Is it common for windsurfers, depending on where they live, to 
do the other kind of surfing (this whole thing is a semantic nightmare) --
some of the skills are similar. thanks for any replies, e-mail me directly
if you have anything

	sam