From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: question about islam?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:26:15 EST
Keywords: ISLAM
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <23NOV199208505869@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> In article <1992Nov23.012558.37866@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes...
>>In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>>>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
>>>?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>>>>  
>>>>        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>>>>         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>>>> champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>>>> believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>>>> two women. This is Grabage."
>>>>  
>>>> So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>>>> No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>>>> paradise. 
>>>>  
>>>> What you guys think ?
>>>That's a very sensitive issue.
>>>I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
>>>atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
>>>work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
>>>just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
>>>go pray every Friday afternoon.
>>>
>>>Asad
>> 
>> Nonsense buddy if things 1400 years ago cannot work today then
>>why dont you change the Quran ? Bring a new Quran according 
>>to this new age , modernazed version !!
>> 
>>Then your friday afternoon prayer return to you .
>>You should also change this firday afternoon prayer since it is 
>>1400 year old. Add some pop music or if you like add some 
>>disco dance in the Friday prayer !!
> 
> 	There are lot of things written in Quran and in general they 
> 	do not work [ How you will have a "ROZA" on the poles if you 
> 	follow Quran or on a planet where sun does not rise?].
>  	Women witness is just another example.
> 	
> 	There is another way to look at the problem and findout
> 	how many socities there ever existed which can be called
> 	islamic societies during the last 1500 years?
> 
> 	[People discovered it long ago that they are not going to
> 	 make any good just by following Quran and those who
> 	 understood that did a good job.. What whould you say
> 	 of BAGHDAD during Mamoon and Haroon Rashid?  was that
> 	 a Quranic culture?. What do you feel of the most popular
> 	 and powerfull king in india AKBAR, he almost ended up
> 	 with his own religion...]
> 
> 	There are a lot of similarities in the DARK AGES of europe
> 	and present state of muslims, and lot to learn.
> 	[we are about 500 years off]
> 
> 	One last point look at the muslims of our time. If they
> 	are muslims then why they are in such a misrable
> 	state? Why their God does not help them?. If they are
> 	not muslims then what is the point in sticking to ideas
> 	which can not be put into practice?
> 
> Mirza Ilyas



Well Mirza Sahib...
   I think there is answer to all of your question but what we need is some
open mindedness and time...However I would like to tell you that you will 
find incomplete answers to all of these questions on this network....In order
to understand the reasoning and fiqah you must ask some Islamic scholar in 
your town or go to islamic center where there are Islamic books in the library
and where you can find someone knowlegable who has studied fiqah...by raising
these questions on the net you will not get the real point but something that
is answered by some ignorant fools who will mix there personal opinion with
Islam...

So I would I advise you to refer to or talk to some scholar,and also in order
to discuss these issues we must have the HOLY QURAN,HADITH and other things
in front of us...

As far as the why mulims are in miserable suituation because no one is 
practicing Islam the way our Prophet and his companion did...Also whole
muslim ummah has deviated into materialistic demands....because as seen from
history muslims only prosperred when they stick to there religion..the moment
they leaved there religion they were in misery....

also these things regarding the roza have been solved are been practiced in USA
and Northern Canada....


MAY ALLAH (SWT) SHOW EVERYONE THE RIGHT PATH.

AMEEN.



Your friend

Ahmed
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