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From: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Date: 13 Aug 1992 00:51:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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[massive righteous christian indignation crap deleted]

Is this a joke? I was laughing but then realized it was serious.
Please send such stuff to alt.whogivesashitaboutyourchristianbeliefs.

P.S. I know I should just let the thread die the death it deserves, but
I feel like I can't go anywhere anymore without being assaulted with 
people telling me what I should believe.

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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Re: Wing Chun style...help!
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:43:12 GMT

guest@jaws1.austin.ibm.com says:


>are there any practitioners of wing chun(I believe 
>that's how it's spelled) style kung fu out there?

Right Here.

>If so, could you (1) tell me of any training halls in
>Southern new mexico( las cruces area )?

Not that I know of off hand.  I will definately check into
it and let you know though.

>and (2) let me
>know how effective you feel this to be as a fighting
>art?( as opposed to  tai chi(sp?) which from what I've
>read here in the past few weeks seems to be more of
>a meditative pursuit ) 

Both are good fighting arts, with Tai Chi taking longer to
learn then the other, and having more of a circular movement.
Both have a strong root in the internal (yes believe it or
not, WC leans more to the internal than external arts).
I'd definately say WC to be one of the more effective fighting
arts, it's based more on scientific concepts on dealing with Chi
rather than brute force.  For a good intro to one of the main
concepts (The Centerline Concept), take a look at Randy Williams'
article in the September issue of Inside Kung Fu.

>Further, I would like to thank everyone to the informative
>responses to my first post titled general questions.
>I really appreciate all the great information you all
>have given me!

No prob.  I've allready seen some fine responses (David Poore) to
this question.



Marty

Do
From: ndd@bal1 (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ken tori - Aikido
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:25:49 GMT
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bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
..
: >directed at the left side of my neck, I step forward with my left foot under
:                                  ^^^^
..
: It seems to me that yoko_MEN_ is being incorrectly performed or named
: here.  yokomen in Muso Shinden Ryu is _always_ to the temple, not to
: the neck.

interesting. in my Aikido dojo, despite calling the strike yokomen,
we also strike to the neck, trying to hit at the point where the neck
joins the shoulder, and then cutting on a diagonal to a point just
above the opposite hip. at what angle do you perform yokomen?

: 
: It should prbably be noted that jodan no kamae (the combative posture
: that one starts from to initiate men or yokomen) is almost never used
: on an unarmed opponent.  Jodan is very good against horse mounted
: opponents though.  The prefered kamae against an opponent with a sword
: (sheathed or otherwise) would be chudan no kamae or seigan no kamae
: (this from Muso Shinden or Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto, possibly
: others).
..

we tend to start our techniques from chudan no kamae against both
armed and unarmed opponents, and then raise the sword to jodan
before striking shomenuchi or 'yokomenuchi'. this strike is done
with either a slide forward or a step forward (in the latter case,
it's preceded by a step back). does your style not pass through
jodan before striking shomen or yokomen?

: Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov

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From: lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund)
Subject: Re: Wing Chung and the privy
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:53:08 GMT

In article <25641@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>
>  +>But it is a general attitude in many martial arts that certain types
>  +>of info is reserved for people in the art itself. [...] Whether it is
>  +>anything from a technique, to a theory on how you should pick your nose.
>
>robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>
>  +Ah, so we finally get to the bottom of the Sticky Hands controversy...
>
>Well, no need to be so snotty about it.
>
>
>Terry "ah choo!" Chan

So _that's_ how Greenoch got it's name...

(I never knew that my allergies were a _bonus_...)

Nate
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From: dad1@ra.msstate.edu (Daniel Doss)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Hapkido seminar with Grandmaster Kwang Sik Myung
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:45:16 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University






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 			Invites you to 
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Myung has been studying and teaching Hapkido for over 40 years.  

	He is president and founder of the World Hapkido Federation,
the largest Hapkido organization in the world.  Grandmaster Myung
is world renowned for his books, videos, and clinics on the martial
art of Hapkido.



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					point control techniques, how
					to integrate Hapkido with your
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					Madison in Tupelo, MS.

DATE:					Session One:  Saturday, October
					10,  1992.  Time is 10:00 A.M.
					through 3:00 P.M.

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					1992.  Time is 1:00 P.M. until 4:00
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		Yon Moo Kwan Hapkido Club
		P.O. Box 205
		Tupelo, MS 38803
		United States of America



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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
From: sboland@mtroyal.ab.ca (Steve Boland)
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:41:51 MDT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

>In article <MARY.92Aug17100715@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>> In article <shane-170892125028@a-mac.psy.uq.oz.au> shane@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Shane Brown) writes:
>>....
>>       Why do I ask ? Because I am sick of losing my voice screaming
>>    when I let rip with a roundhouse in sparring, only to feel the
>>    top of my foot connect with the point of my partners elbow. AAARRGG !
>> 
> My personal opinion is that you can't condition the instep (the part of
> the foot you're talking about) enough so that you can kick as hard as
> you like.  In other words, you can kick a lot harder than your instep
> can stand it, if you're hitting a hard object, and I don't think that
> you can condition it in such a way that you can really let loose without
> injury.  
> 

I agree totally. I trained at a Kickboxing/Muay Thai school for a while.  The
conditioning was more geared towards the shins than the foot.  The school
instructor trained intensely and competed at a professional level.  He went to
Thailand for a training session and blocked a kick with his instep.  Several
ligaments in his foot were torn and he couldn't walk properly for 6 months.

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|Mount Royal College               | (403) 240-6484                 |
|Calgary, AB                       |                                |
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From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:04:43 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


 >In article <willimsa.714323348@unix1.tcd.ie>, willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie 
 >  (Gavin Williams) writes:
 > I saw a photo of Bush in some martial arts seminar.
 > He was wearing a gi with a black belt.
	With luck he will lose the votes of all those bible belters who
say martial arts are satanic 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Subject: Re: Seeing Ki, Aikido
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:58:04 GMT

moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>
>Despite this, does he succeed in teaching what he's trying to teach?

Clearly he does with some people, I know many of his students and
they are very impressive and very pleased with him as a teacher... I
suffer from the fact that there are too many wonderful Aikido
teachers in the SF Bay Area and I can't train with them all....

Fer
+
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Different Karate Fists
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:13:14 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>
>Striking to the eye is an option with a finger jab, etc., but I
>doubt I'd ever do it.  I just don't want to poke somebody's eye
>out.  As for the eyebrow, just how do you strike that?  In my 
>mind's eye, I remember Mike Tyson breaking his hand in that
>bareknuckle fight he had a few years back.  He punched the guy -- who
>had several stitches and a black eye -- just above the eye and 
>broke his hand on the guy's forehead (anybody seen "Gladiator"?).

     A lot of boxers can't make a good fist. They wear big padded
gloves instead of doing knuckle push-ups and beating on makawari boards.
I've heard it's not unusual for boxers to suffer hand injuries when they
get into real fights.

     Anyway, why hit someone in the head with a fist, when you can use a
palm-heel strike? I think that would go well to the brow ridge, if
you decided to hit there; I'd go for the nose, myself. If you break it,
it hurts like hell, plus it provides a nice lever to snap the head back.
After which, one could toho (sword peak hand - inside edge of thumb
and index finger) to the throat, then maybe a shuto (knife-edge) strike
to the jaw or temple, then a good old-fashioned hiji mawashi ate (roundhouse
elbow strike) to remove the burden of conciousness from their weary mind.
Note - not one fist strike in the whole sequence.

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jensen@adobe.com (Freddy Jensen)
Subject: Looking for a good Judo club
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:15:13 GMT

Hi Folks,

  Do you know of any good judo clubs in the bay area?

  I was in a judo club in europe for 5 years.  Now I
  would like to take it up again. I am not looking for
  one of those popular self-defense type classes, but
  rather a serious judo club, preferably in the South
  Bay area.

Thanks

Freddy

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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Different Karate Fists
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:04:54 GMT

bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>I have been using the older, "index finger over", fist for the
>last 9 months. It has several advantages over the standard fist.
>Mainly it's pre-strike properties allow greater relaxation


  I've seen this in Nakayama's "Dynamic Karate".  One thing that
  I notice, as I throw a few punches at the screen here, is that
  my forearm and wrist are indeed much less tense than with a 
  standard fist, apparently without sacrificing much strength 
  (although it certainly feels funny, the first two knuckles feel
  just as stable as before).  This is most certainly attributable 
  to the lack of tension in the index finger.

  Now, in Aikido, we grab mainly with the last two or three fingers,
  not really with the index finger.  'Ki flow', don'tcha know.
  Tension in the hand/fist blocks it, this is a bad thing. 
  And when I hold a bokken, tension in the index finger means the 
  difference between having the bokken as an extension of my body
  and holding a stick in my hands.  
  
  This might imply that the older index-finger-over fist allows
  one to better "penetrate", since one's Ki is not blocked at the
  hand as with the all-finger-folded fist.  Any comments on this
  speculation of mine ? 

  -- Ted --

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From: murray@what.gmr.com (Brian Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Rat's and stuff....
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:27:54 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:

>Only on the Usenet (rec.martial-arts) can I sit down and
>expect to see a discussion on applying martial arts to rats.
>
>What's next?  Non-vertebrate creatures? :)

Think of it as an extension of the dog thread we had a while back :-).

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From: butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher)
Subject: Re: bokken vs. shinken
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:19:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.195224.23977@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>
>  A while ago, I had posted that I felt it was "unfair" in some sense
>  ...

When I saw this post, the first thing I looked at was the title: Bokken vs
shinken.  All I could think of was bokken vs. schinken, which is the German
word for ham.  I was on the floor laughing!

(Why am I posting this?!..)

Adrian
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido, (effectiveness)
Keywords: wristlocks
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1793@celia.UUCP> celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond) writes:
>Obviously, if an experienced uke realizes that he is being led

	Yup, my point is exactly the it's much harder to "trick" a judoka
into giving up her balance than Joe Average Aikidoka, because her training
is "be sensitive to your balance and always adjust to make sure you stay
balanced".  For a practiced judoka these corrections are unconcious and
instinctive, which makes us lousy aikido ukes.  I've ruined the technique 
without even realizing I was doing it!

								wr
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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fencing
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:19:19 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

I had the opportunity to fence again for the first time in 6-1/2 years, at
a Renaissance festival this past weekend.  I chose to fence one of
"Her Majesty's Officers" rather than one of my friends (I thought it would
be a lot more interesting, given that my friends don't know how to fence).
It was an eye-opening experience, as I was fencing in the standard sport style,
while the leftenant showed his versatility -- side stepping that wouldn't
be allowed on a strip, ambidexterity, and an interesting cross-legged-looking
stance that I'd never seen before.

Never having fenced in even a pseudo-martial-arts setting before, I felt the
bout gave at least a hint of the real thing.  Not the flashy swordplay you
see in the movies, but some realistic techniques that aren't allowed in the
sport version.

And BTW, I was happy about the score:  I lost, but the score was 3 touches to 2.

Al
From: venenga@iscsvax.uni.edu (Jay Venenga - University of Northern Iowa)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: USTU rules, please?
Date: 12 Aug 92 07:36:32 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Fellow M.A's,

My club is going to a tournament at the end of the month, and all the brochure
said was that U.S.T.U. rules are going to be in effect.  Could someone please
post or e-mail me these rules, or at least the highlights, important points,
etc. so that I can pass them on to my instructor.  Our club goes to few
tournaments, so we are not familiar with the particulars of these rules.  I
know they are the rules followed in the olympics, but since there was little/no
coverage of Tae Kwon Do this year, that's not much help.  Thanks in advance for
all the replies.

-jay
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Book Reccomendations
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:18:40 GMT

The best book I've seen yet (My bibliography is up to 140 pages long,
with 10 citations per page) is John Corcoran and Emil Farkas's
"Martial Arts:  History, Traditions, People."  It is out of print now
(I think) but was an excellent encyclopedia of the arts, including
basic descriptions of the arts, their history in the Orient, the U.S.,
and Europe, as well as a good bibliography and an alphabetical listing
of important people.  There was also a discussion of martial arts
movies, but since the book was published in the early 1980s, it is
a bit out of date now.  Corcoran & Farkas wrote for several magazines
in the early 1980s and the 1970s, including Black Belt, Kick, & Karate
Illustrated.  I believe Corcoran is now editing his own magazine, the
name of which escapes me at the moment.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: bward@bss2.umd.edu (Beverly Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Any leads on Judo Training
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:35:44 GMT
Organization: College of Behavioral and Social Sciences, U of Maryland


I am a 28 year old female who is interested in learning judo.  I live in the 
Washington D.C. area andwould like to know if anyone has any experience with 
the various clubs in that area (including Maryland and Northern Virginia)
and could make recommendations.  I have no other MA experience.  You can 
reply on the net or to me personally at
BWARD@BSS.UMD.EDU

Thanks in advance for any asistance.

Bev
From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: did someone say invertebrate?
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:08:24 GMT
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug22.124602.21741@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ejdath@donner.uucp (25832-dath) writes:
>It's funny that someone mentioned invertebrates...
>
>I was wandering down my front walk not really thinking clearly and all of
>a sudden I was confronted with a really huge earth worm, the wild kind.

  [attack by deadly, vicious <shudder> esrthworms - deleted]

>any suggestions?
>
>Does anyone have any defenses in case the worms return?

There's an ancient art, that combines the Martial Arts, with a secret
weapon from the Kitchen Arts.  It's name was set using the Chinese
language, in form similar to Kung Fu, but no one is certain of this
art's region of origin.

In additon to earthworms, this art is also quite effective against
snails, slugs, and leechs.

It's Name?  Salt Fu. 

>(Hey, can't you take a joke?)
>E.J.

Yep.  Can run with 'em, too...  :-)

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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Rat's and stuff....
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:32:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: martiniq.MARY.92Aug20093205
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu's message of 19 Aug 92 17:39:07 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.173907.27131@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:


   Geeeeezzzee......

   Only on the Usenet (rec.martial-arts) can I sit down and
   expect to see a discussion on applying martial arts to rats.

   What's next?  Non-vertebrate creatures? :)

Yup.  Anenomemenomenomes.
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From: a9j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Wing Chun style...help!
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:16:37 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hi. I'm afraid I just started reading this news group a little while ago and
only started learning Kendo about a year and a half ago. But I believe I read
somewhere that Bruce Lee first started out learning Wing Chung (forgive my
spelling). Does that answer your question about its possibilities for effective
technique?

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