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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: sad thought
              13 Apr 1992 17:50:06 -0500 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:50:06 -0500 Nancy Harwood said:
>On Mon, 13 Apr 1992, CGOODSON@uga.cc.uga.edu wrote:
>> ---even they weren't naive enough to think they could get away with saying
>> that the purpose was to avoid having to have their children going to school
>> with blacks...
>>
>A question...does your statement "...even *they* weren't naive enough to
>think..." refer to Southerners in general, or merely to the proponents
>of the private schools started to avoid integration?
>ndh

oh, certainly the latter...all Southerners are by no means racists....
Truthfully, the worst racism I have ever observed was in the North...but
I've only lived in the South since 1980, not so long...
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      THE WIND UP, AND THE PITCH

Do you always try to wind people up when
you first meet them?  Is this your standard psychological ploy for getting
people to notice you when you arrive in a new group?  Rather childish
I'd say.  Probably gets you beaten up a lot if you try it in bars...
"hey - you geeks think you can play pool?  What the hell do you know
about pool?  I'm a professional pool player - I'll tell you all about
pool and no mistake!" <thump>.

G

Golly, G!  (Har-har-har, and Hiya, Tushar!)
I seem to recall last summer there was a guy from England joined the list in
mid-thread and, thinking that the spate of caustic abuse was the norm, leapt
into the fray, vitriol spewing from every pore...  Anyone remember that?
I wonder what ever happened to him?     8-)  Thought he was a hotshot pool
player as well, as I recall...                       ^^

John "I'm still waiting for Adam, but only until quitting time" W.
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: The National Academy (again)

     My memory of this is that I inferred from Carol's original
posting that the dicitionaries were responsible for the death of the
concept of the language academy and that this was what Natalie argued
against.  Whether this is a case of misinterpretation on my part would
require resorting to the archives, which I do not have the time for
today.  Perhaps another day.

The Ronin
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:44:03 EDT
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From:         Anne Diffily <ADBAM%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Jones
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>"jones" is slang for withdrawal pains.
>-abh

Actually, Tocaya, a "jones" is an addiction.  "I've got a
bad chocolate jones."

    - Another Anne
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: bad grace
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> Of course. Isn't it a common expression ? (He received the news of
> defeat with bad grace.)
>
> tushar

I accepted with *extremely* bad grace the news that our network was down
from 8 p.m. last night until after 6:30 this morning.
ndh
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      New Bio (replace old one with this)
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I was born in the Year Of The Boar. Have lived most of my life in a small south
Texas town. Made above average grades in high school; was shocked and dismayed
to find in college that my brains no longer distinguished me in any particular
way.

My life is filled with contradictions. Trying earnestly to be a good
conservative, I find myself pulled in all sorts of liberal directions. This is
supposed to be one of the characteristics of Pisces - my sign - two fish
swimming in opposing directions.

One of the common threads throughout my life has been the love of words in
general and the English Language in particular. That's what attracted me to
Words-L. What has kept me onboard is the sense of belonging to something: a
group that knows itself as well as any ever has. I've made friends and enemies
here. Laughed and cried and everything else.

I love technology and high-performance machinery. Also books, cats, dogs,
rosebushes, good cooking, and driving liberals to distraction. I hate
self-disclosure like this, pompous self-aggrandizing people, and most
politicians (who expound pompous self-aggrandizing self-disclosure at taxpayer
expense).

Anne Harwell
harwell@panam.edu
aharwell@panam.edu
...and elsewhere
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tushar whines

>states, comments, elucidates, explicates, declaims, declares, shares...

Merely refer to the tag at the end of my sentences, I say !

tushar
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Date: 10 Apr 92 17:59:01 GMT
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>>nice, though I wasn't down at that end of the table.  Rod
>>immortalized the occasion for us on film!
>
>
>You MUST post a .gif to the words-l archive!

        I promise I'll gif a photo as soon as Rod gets one to me!
You showin' for the Clambake, Harwell?

Czarina
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Date: 17 Apr 92 01:18:29 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92041601010019@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Tony Harminc) writes:
>>damn language;
>
>Galmin ?  Is that you ?  It's been such a long time.
>
>Oh *I* know!  It's Tushar.  He's cooked up another one.  Good going, I say!

Damn and blast.  I missed the Virupashka fiasca and chuckled at how you
folks could be taken in by such an obvious over-the-top fraud.  And now
I've gone and fallen for one myself.  I should have realised he was
too obnoxious to be true, even among the curmudgeons on *this* group...

G
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought

Ken,
  You're right about the individuality.  When I was a teenager, it was a
standing joke that we all wanted to be individuals, all dressed alike.

Evelyn
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From:         Captain CAAAAAAVEMAN!!!!! <ARHODES%DREW.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TV

In article <tfilt197291@drew.edu>, Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS@CWU.BITNET> write
   s:
> I'm watching it right now. Basically, this episode is covering the history of
> computers. From Babbage to Zuse right now.
>
> Chris
>
        I thought the show was pretty interesting.  My friends and I even
bowed and chanted "We're not worthy!" when the bit about Turing came on.
Yeah, we're computer geeks.

                          |_
                          Oo\ Alex
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From:         Gail Lester <gaill%HPDMD48.BOI.HP.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              the behinder I get" at Apr 8, 92 1:13 am

>
>
> 	I've heard the same story about Ray Bradbury.  In both cases, it seems
> 	a bit unbelievable.
   I don't normally respond to the list, but could not resist
   this one.  I guess a lurker needs to jump in and make themselves
   known once in a while....with something other than an e oops!

    In 1972 I was finishing up my masters in library science in California
   and the subject of my thesis was Ray Bradbury and his works, and a
   complete cross referenced bibliography of his short stories...
     Anyway, in the course of my research, I had occasion to have lunch
    with Ray himself in his office in Beverly Hills and have (somewhere I
    think) an hour and a half taped interview with him, dudring which
   we chatted on a LOT of topics....
     It is indeed true, that he (at least at that time) DOES NOT FLY..
   His bicycle was sitting right there in his office ....

    He told me a wonderful story about having dinner with John Glen
   the astronaut in Houston one night and of John offering to hop
   in a jet and fly Ray back to LA.....Ray said he told him 'no thanks'
   and took the train...

     He did tell me that he had been up in a blimp whale watching
   over the Pacific Ocean, which he said was one of the most
   awe inspiring things he had ever done.....

     Anyway...that's the REAL story on Ray...and for you football
  fans, especailly Oakland Raiders fans, it is the same for John
   Maddem, the CBS sportscaster who was the Raiders coach for years...
   he does not fly either.

    Gail in Potatoland
>
> 	So what's the final count of works by Asimov?  I know that sounds
> 	crass, but he did always make a big deal about it.
>
>
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> neal	traven@pittvms			Bitnet		412-624-0097 (office)
> 	traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu  	Internet	412-624-0110 (fax)
> 			"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America
> 			 had better learn baseball."	-- Jacques Barzun
>
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:17:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Brazilian Gleanings

From the Book of Brazilian/American Gleanings:

> NEW LOW;

     Actually rather literal, to go lower than had previously been
achieved, generally part of a pejorative.

> TO ZAP IT TO YA;

     In addition to the e-mail references, Federal Express had a
high-resolution fax service in the mid-80's called ZAP.  One took the
document to a participating FedEx office where they would fax it to
the office nearest the recipient, then deliver it.

> ETH'ED

     Properly explained if all of the postings were read.  This is a
Roninism that dates back to before 'Bob at play' to when he was just
Bob.  I used the archaic/obsolete conjugation 'eth' to imply a level
of pomposity in attributing quotes to previous articles, then found it
was part of what defined a response from me.  I have been vigorously
defending this schtick recently, during which time 'eth' became a verb
meaning 'to conjugate a verb with "eth", whether the verb was ever
conjugated in that manner before or not".

The Ronin
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: A Modest Proposal
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              04 Apr 92 17:55:48 CST." <9204041909.aa14356@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Dr. Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>:
>I really, seriously, want to know what is wrong with dropping PhDs on the
>list. Why is someone who calls himself Doctor funny ?
>
>tushar

Normally, I only find it funny if it is said with a self-congratulating air
that implies the speaker thinks the PhD makes him smarter than everyone else.
It is especially funny if the speaker is in fact quite stupid.

The title is properly used in formal correspondence, but I think most people
have been tending to move toward less formality in general over the past few
decades.  When I taught I didn't use it, and in fact encouraged my students to
call me by my first name.

On this list it's all context.  Bill Sjostrom and I both occasionally make
light of our own possession of this esteemed degree, which annoys Graham for
some reason, though he makes a joke of his annoyance.  Graham has been
keeping score (actually I don't think he's bothering to really count) on who
mentions his/her degreed status most frequently.  It came up again as a joke
because of Stu's signature making him the current leader.  (I think you know
all this history, I'm just reviewing the bidding, so to speak, and letting
Stu in on the rest of the story.)

The esteemed Dr. Anne Harwell decided to screw up Graham's scoring thoroughly
by getting us all to pretend to the degree, and that's all the current rash of
silly titles is about.  Perhaps next week we should all put "Esquire" in our
signatures.

- Dr. DR
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      America's Cup coverage (for procrastinators)

If you want to procrastinate at something other than the keyboard
this weekend, here are the race times for Saturday and Sunday:

Saturday, 12:01 pm (Pacific time)  STARS & STRIPES v. an America**3
boat.

Sunday, 12:01 pm (Pacific time)
        STARS & STRIPES  v. an America**3 boat
        IL MORO DI VENEZIA v. NEW ZEALAND

All covered gun-to-gun on ESPN.

There's some question about the boat America**3 bring to the start
line.  The sailors want AMERICA**3 (goes to windward like a scalded
dog).  Bill Koch and the techies want to race KANZA.  Bill Koch may
write the checks, but he ought to listen to the sailors this time.

I'll be slightly pissed if Koch chooses KANZA, loses the final, and
Dennis requisitions AMERICA**3 to defend the cup.  (He has that
option.)

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE%CC.WEBER.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
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> achievement on my part.  In the last few years I've decided that part of
> his reason for doing this was that he had a big thing about humility,
> and didn't want me to get stuck on myself (not a big problem---I had a
> world-class inferiority complex), and part of it was because he thought
> he was encouraging me to try harder and accomplish more.

Once when I was in high school, I started feeling pretty good about myself.
I was discussing several things such as music composition, French, etc.
Later, my sister went into a diatribe about how I was boasting, as my mother
recorded the diatribe onto tape.  Then, she played it back to us both.
It reinforced the idea that it was not okay to feel good about oneself.
Several years later I confronted her on this one.  She denied everything.
			LJG
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*** Resending note of 04/08/92 21:59

>the same question.  I really couldn't believe all the hoopla that was
>made over Magic Johnson having AIDS as opposed to the thousands of
>other people that have it...what made me especially upset is how the
>media was saying what a tragedy it was, and yet didn't say anything
>about the other AIDS sufferers.

>--Prof H.

Got to agree with Prof H.  Just because Magic is a "nice guy" and
apparently well-liked, it does seem that he reaped the many seeds he
sowed.  Ignorance and stupidity is a sorrow excuse for getting Aids.
Certainly it is trajgc no matter how one contacts Aids, but it is
easier to feel compassion for one that contracts Aids via a blood
transfussion, than one trying to top Wilt Chamberlin's score.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS

>   Actually I have only been borrowing Natalie's language. She said that
> (she knew as a linguist that) there is nothing wrong with changes in
> language. This had the appearance of a positive claim; hence my probing
> to attempt to find out what is being claimed.

What is being claimed?  That there is nothing wrong with changes in
language.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who is following Torkel's wishes by sticking carefully to
     what is being said...
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From:         "Slow-Children@Play" <IQTI400%INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Rush
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for Bill S et al:

according to next week's TV Guide, Rush Limbaugh is scheduled to be
on the Phil Donahue show next Tuesday (04/14/92)...
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
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On Tue, 7 Apr 1992, The Ronin wrote:
>      These were some of the reasons my mother gave when confronted at
> the time.  Comparing notes with my sister, however, it would seem that
> my mother was trying to live vicariously through us.

Sadly enough, I see this all too frequently.  Makes me want to scream at
these people to go and get lives of their own...*not* a wise practice
for public school teachers.  All I can do is hug the kids and try to
help make up for the approval they're not getting at home.
ndh
>
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle%VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help
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>I have to do an annotated biblioghraphy on Wagners Law.  ...
>...
>                                      Lisa
>
For every opposite marriage to Elizabeth Taylor, there is an equal
but opposite election to the Senatorship of Virginia.

Ooop!  That's Warner's Law.
-scott (huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu)
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: electronic media

1) How many people in all do computer networks  reach and influence ?

2) What do desk-top publishing and word-processing have to do with
   the spread of "language" ?

My original question was about a statement which said that computer
networks will have a profound impact on the language (or maybe a bit
less strong than that.) It sounds like an amazing overestimation to me.

The Ronin says something about "Populace changing its language structure
to match what travels on the nets." This, to my mind, is another good
example of something which passes the internet nerd test.

tushar
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Ken--

I think you should try to get that poem published in _Screw_, so that all of
your old "friends" will be able to enjoy it too. :-)

--Aaron
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>... I can't believe that USA TODAY reporter actually just called up
>Ashe's house to ask if he had AIDS. There's nothing we can do about it
>short of amending the Constitution, of course, but I do feel that this
>could have been handled in a somewhat more caring fashion.

Why can't you believe that the reporter simply called and asked?
I'm not sure I understand your anguish.  Let's face it; AIDS remains
a hot story.  Arthur Ashe is a public figure by virtue of his
extraordinary athletic achievements and his breaking of the men's-
tennis color barrier.

I don't like muckraking or the kind of trial-by-media that
political candidates seem to face these days (focused solely
on their private, i.e., sex, lives).  But I think it's naive for
any public figure, like Ashe, to believe he can keep such
devastating NEWS (and yes, it's news when someone famous gets
AIDS) secret.  Unfortunately, exposure goes with the fame-and-
fortune territory.  Ashe's discomfiture is understandable, but
he could have averted it by announcing his misfortune before
he was faced with the reporter's question.

I think the reporter was doing his job.  That's all.  I can't
imagine he felt particularly gleeful about it.

Aaron, I hope your remark about amending the Constitution was
in jest!  What would the amendment say?  -- that news organizations
can't pester public figures?  Whoa!  That's a country *I* don't
want to live in.  :-)

    - Anne, lurking around on a Friday afternoon, and wishing
      she could get outta this office & go sit on the porch
      with a tall lemonade
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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> > Actually, pencils should be banned, as they're discriminatory towards
> > left-handers such as myself.  It smears all over the place when we
> > write.  :)
>
>      Obviously you are communicating in a language for which you are
> 'directionally challenged'.  That, or else you need to learn to use a
> harder lead in your pencil.

I dunno, I'm left-handed and my favorite writing instrument is a #1
pencil (the soft ones).

But then I write Japanese.

Karen
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