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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:47:24 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dating...
Distribution: world

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 12-Oct-92 Dating...
by Carl Camurca@travel.com 
>  
> BC> I am also
> BC>against interracial dating because it is not excepted in today's society.
>  
> Oh my... Do you always do, what's expected in today's society (BTW,
> which one?)? In that, you'll never ever change anything and will support
> the stupid system and cement it.
>  
> BC>Also the majority of girls of different races that date black men
seem to b
> e
> BC>whores and sluts.  They also tend to exclude themselves from dating
anyone 
> e
> BC>but black men.
>  
> Oh, great. So black men are only worth to be dated by sluts, 'coz no
> sensible white woman would ever date a black male? You have an
> inferiority complex.
>  
>  
>   I don't know about you, but I refuse to date a girl who is v
> BC>promiscuous.  These girls (on the average now!!!) also seem to try
and act 
> a
> BC>be black.  They only listen to rap and R&B music and talk just as
black as 
> y
> BC>and me.  In other words these girls are fake.
>  
> And if you make career, just as the white man, you are fake?
> [sarcasm off]

This entire thread has gotten out of hand.  Clarification is in order:

1. Black men date black women.
2. White men date white women.
3. White men date black women.
4. Black men date white women.
5. Blacks and whites can interract in relationships (both romantic and
platonic) and have mutual repect for each other.  This however, requires
each to be both understanding and mature enough to realize how other
people are.
6. Blacks and whites can interract (and often do) in ways and for
reasons that have nothing to do white love or respect.  This is how
racsim manifests itself subtly in our society.
7. SOME black men see white women as status symbols; SOME white women
want Mandingo.
8. SOME black women feel black men aren't good enough for them; some
WHITE men want to play the part of the Slaveowner's son.

9. 5-8 aren't rules; they happen.

DCAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: "Lloyd T Jones" <tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:59:19 -0500

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:


> 	Mr. Jones I think there is a difference between enslaving your enemies
>(like tribes in Africa) and enslaving innocent people like the europeans.  I'm
>suprised that someone with such an education can't tell the difference
> 
	Really?  I wonder how one who is enslaved would feel about how or why.
Is there really a 'more noble' form of enslavement?  I think my education is 
precisely what allows me to see that there is no real difference, just a 
different excuse to achieve the same result...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
From: pas@kepler.unh.edu (Paul A Sand)
Subject: Re: All The More Reason To End Welfare
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:56:38 GMT

[Followups to misc.headlines]
    
cb: Carter Bing (quoting some news article)

cb: Whites use government safety-net programs more than blacks or
    Hispanics and are twice as likely as minorities to be lifted out of
    poverty by help they get, says the Center on Budget and Policy
    Priorities. The Washington, D.C., think tank, in a report [...]

I saw this in USA Today (``The Nation's Most Superficial Newspaper'',
Friday, October 9, page 3A).  To their credit, they identified the
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities more specifically as a
``liberal'' think tank.

It's an interesting (and telling) use of the passive voice there:
people are ``lifted'' out of poverty. Think about that for a few
seconds.  (The USA Today article uses this formulation 3 times in a
short article, so I doubt it's an accident.) This is certainly the
language of the social engineer, one who believes people can, should
be, and are, moved around like piles of gravel. In this case, the image
evoked is of the state picking up its fairy-godmother wand, and waving
it at some poor people, who are then--without any effort worth
mentioning on their part!--magically ``lifted'' out of poverty.

cb: POOR MORE LIKELY TO BE WHITE:

cb: Half of the USA's 35.7 million poor people are white, 29% of the
    poor are black, 18% are Hispanic, says a report out Friday.

... well, yeah. In the US of A, *people* are ``more likely'' to be
white by this odd formulation. Isn't this just a way of avoiding
pointing out that blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately poor?
Specifically:

cb: [...] a larger percentage of minorities are poor - 32.7% of blacks,
    28.7% of Hispanics, 9.4% of whites.

The article seems (like a lot of stuff recently) to be a good
advertisement for George Orwell's essay on ``Politics and the English
Langauge.''
-- 
-- Paul A. Sand           | I was going to buy a copy of _The Power of
-- Univ. of New Hampshire | Positive Thinking_ and then I thought: What
-- pas@kepler.unh.edu     | the hell good would that do?
			  |     (Ronnie Shakes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: All The More Reason To End Welfare
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:24:01 GMT

	And yes, I used that title to get your attention. The
posting shows that despite the sterotypr presented by the
conservative press and the Bush administration, proverty
dosen`t care what color you are.

	The next time you demand the poor to pull themselves
up by their bootstraps" remember you might be talking about
your sister or brother.


			Carter

	things just aren`t black or white in this world.


--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: tro-tros-net slightly revised posting
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:00:46 GMT
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re:  A Matter of a Will
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:46:44 GMT

In article <9210081117.AA19866@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>
jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON) writes:

>Maybe he had too many greedy, ungrateful and intolerable family members.

I hear he owed $650k to two wives in alimony. I bet you're dead right.

	-Kenny "he who laughs last...." Crudup
-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	    "Motor oil?!?! <splut> YOU GAVE ME MOTOR OIL?!?!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Word On X: Sensational
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:07:28 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>In article <92289.111131FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>,
><FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad writes:
>>
>>
>>Here's something else I would like to you know. The record store where I buy my
>>jazz stuff has a 2 CD piece on Malcolm X. It's done as an opera thing. I,
>>unfortunately, can't stand opera, but I'll forego this prejudice if the CD is
>>any good. Anybody know anything about this? Sorry, I don't have the name or
>>title of the author. I'll get it later and post it.
>.
>.
>Get the CD.  It is a jazz opera by the (the name of the cat
>escapes me) brother of Thulani Davis (who also collaborated on the
>piece, I believe).  I think it was also called "X" and I think it
>was staged somewhere on the East Coast a couple of years ago (and
>thus got the jump on Spike).

Anthony Davis, who is, from what I've read about him, a composer who is
exploring the boundary between avant-garde jazz and avant-garde classical,
something like Anthony Braxton. I havent heard X, but I would encourage
US to support our artists.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: cwm54@cas.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:11:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cas.1992Oct7.171149.11823
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <1astmsINNhoo@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>I'm trying not to flame you, but get a clue.  Words can have more than
>one meaning.  From Webster's 9th:
>
>black n  2 : the achromatic color of least lightness characteristically
>perceived to belong to objects that neither reflect nor transmit light
>[...]
>4 a : a person belonging to a dark-skinned race or one stemming in part
>from such a race; esp : NEGRO  b : AFRO-AMERICAN
>
>now compare to
>
>orange n  1 a : a globose berry with a reddish yellow rind and a sweet
>edible pulp
>[...]
>3 : any of a group of colors that lie midway between red and yellow in hue
>and are of medium lightness and moderate to high saturation




    Irrelevant. Who doesn't know that words CAN have many meanings.
    Besides, my post was not meant to illicit semantics problems.
    Get a clue and try another newsgroup like soc.pseudointellectual.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9978 soc.culture.jewish:17650
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Farrakhan, Malcom X and Jews
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:40:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wer9DFi00iV0A6QK9F
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 13-Oct-92 Re:
Farrakhan, Malcom X and.. by Sam Bhimji@ersys.edmonto 
> Does anyone know if the Nation of Islam has changed their views?? I was 
> reading a book where they stated that after Elijah Muhammad died, his son 
> Wallace took control over the NOI, and was leaning towards Orthodox 
> Islam, and even changed the name of the organization...
>  

Son Wallace did indeed take over after his father's demise... however,
he lost a power struggle to Mr. Farrakhan and left the Nation, forming
his own sect (can't recall the name) based on a more traditional
adaption of the Islamic faith. 

DCAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Soldiers Monument Unvieled at Pentagon
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:29:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.235601.29636@ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
[...........]
>On hand for viewing the replica were representatives of units whose exploits
>during the "Old West" earned their black soldiers the Indian-coined nickname
>"Buffalo Soldiers'"
[..........]
>In his opening remarks during the ceremony, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Gordon R.
>Sullivan said that the monument and its now-Pentagon-based replica of a
>horse-mounted black soldier is meant "...to honor a group of soldiers who
>served their country selflessly."
[..........]
>Gen Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and prime mover in the
>monument's creation, said that the monuments serves to "...inspire us by the
>spirit of the Buffalo Soldier. With every sacrifice, America's black soldiers
>moved a little ahead in gaining recognition for their devotion and
>achievements," Powell noted.
>
>He depicted the monument as "a symbol for the entire country" --one which can
>help unite society in coping with racial conflict.
[........]

The "Buffalo Soldiers" were mass murderers and not a little reactionary. 
Supporting them just coz they were blak troops does not hold any water.
Your posting reminds me of this quote from the newsgroup 
misc.activism.progressive:


   "To derail concern over whether you should _support_their_policy_,
the PR system focuses attention on whether you _support_our_troops_ --
meaningless words, as empty as the question of whether you support the
people of Iowa.
   "That of course, is just the point: to reduce the population to
gibbering idiots, mouthing empty phrases and patriotic slogans, waving
ribbons, watching gladiatorial contests and the models designed for
them by the PR industry, but, crucially, not thinking or acting.

	--Noam Chomsky, "Post War Teach-In," _Z_, Apr. '91

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:34:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1at04hINN6m5@uwm.edu> by price@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory Neil Price):

> The sentiments expressed by hans@iesd.auc.dk in regard to the death
> penalty appear sentimental, and besides the point. The fact that the

I think we got the point after the first couple of times Greg.... :)


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From: tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Lloyd T Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:43:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct13.184341.19386
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


	It has been pointed out that I made a false statement by a couple of
readers.  In my eagerness to post my views, I didn't fully read what I had
written.  Below is a letter I received followed by my apology.  This apology
is to all who read the original post.  It applies only to this error.  I stand
behind my other statements.



> >Africa that sold other Blacks into slavery.  Should we hate those tribes, if we
> >can find out who they were?
> 
> < stuff deleted >
> 
>      let me just respond to this false statement you put.  Who was the stupid p
> eron that told you lot Africans were involved in slavery.  I hate people like
> you who say this false statements.  I am an African myself, Yes there were
> some Africans involved in slavery, but they were very few.  Even if  there were
> they were probably either bribed or promised something in return.  Yes those
> people were the bad apple.  But you can not say that the majority of acquiring
> slaves was done by Africans.  At that time, it was a big economic boost for the
> western nations who were building the ships to carry slaves and also a lot
> slave hunters sprung up and those were not Africans.
>      I believe this kind of view is shared among white people because that
> way they can i guess reduce their feeling of guilt by saying   OH.. the African
> s did it so why should I feel bad about it and so on.....
> 
>     Anyway, just make sure you got facts first before you spread such nonsense.
> 
> Eb
> 

	I have re-read my post and I must apologize.  I only meant to point out that Blacks
were involved in the enslavement of other Blacks.  I should not have indicated that the
majority of Africans were involved, which I know was not the case.  I certainly was not trying
to excuse anyone from their role in this ugly part of our world history, just trying to get 
perspective.  I will post this apology including your letter if that is o.k. with you. 
My intent is not to hurt or slander, but try to bring about understanding and some hope.  
I dropped the ball on this point, but it was not with bad intentions.  Please accept my 
sincere apology for going overboard in my desire to open minds.

Lloyd T. Jones

P.S.  I would also like to think you won't hate ME for my ignorance but hate the IGNORANCE
itself and help to correct it, as you have done here.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:20:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.152504.24873@gdstech.grumman.com>  
david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:
>
     [...some stuff about David deleted...]
 
> While I was not in university over the summer, my girlfriend and I use
> to go camping every weekend.  We used to take long drives together out
> to eastern Long Island and sleep in the car so we could take pictures
> of the next morning's sunrise.
> 
> Do I sound like a bad guy?
> 
> Well, for some reason, most sisters didn't think of me as a boyfriend
> type.  I don't like hearing these complaints about how brothers "can
> get away with their mess with a white woman that they can't with a
> sister".  Heck!  I was always there, but the sisters were never
> interested in me.  
> 
> Why?

     Awwwww, this one's easy! Face it, David, you're a geek! Just like  
Geordi Laforge. :-) Sure, when you were in high school, you could have  
wore the all the hip African fashions, danced the night away, and fought  
for your right to party. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You spent your time taking  
apart clock radios and telephones because you wanted to know how they  
WORK, programmed your Apple computer to do all sorts of strange and  
wonderful things, and synthesized contact explosives in chemistry lab.  
Maybe you even sat up nights thinking about what question the universe's  
Ultimate Computer would have come up with (whose answer is 42) had the  
Earth not been destroyed to make room for a new hyperspace bypass. :-)

     Now, I ain't knocking geeks. Hell, I guess I qualify as one myself.  
Calling someone a geek is really one of the highest compliments one person  
can bestow upon another, IMO. Very solid material, geeks. The problem is,  
the package is usually not very flashy, as I think you and I know all too  
well, David. And if a lot of the women (or men, in the case of women  
geeks) are into flash and style, well...life can be hard sometimes. Geeks  
are usually SOL wrt romantic relationships UNTIL someone comes along who  
has X-ray vision and can look through the wrapping and see the substance.  
And with time the wrapping then tends to brighten up as well. 

     It sounds to me like you found someone you're compatible with. You're  
a very lucky man. More power to ya!

     And don't let anyone give you shit about it. You're not sick, or  
twisted, or consumed with self-hatred, and your girlfriend's not a whore.  
You're just, well...a geek! :-) And didn't anyone ever tell you that geeks  
are the ones who run the world? :-)

     You should try to be more open-minded about dancing, though. It  
really is a lot of fun, once you learn how. :-)
   
     [...stuff confirming David's geek nature deleted :-)...]


Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 11 Oct 1992 18:49:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct9.223120.14556@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>Did I ever mean color when I said "throwback"?  Kinky or curly hair,
>negroid features in whitened skin...this is what I mean by
>throwback.

It really makes no difference.  Given any multigene trait, e.g. kinkyness
of hair, width of nose, pigment of skin, the resulting possible combinations
work similarly.  For example, given six genes for the control of skin color,
a child inherits three from the mother and three from the father.  Let B be
a gene for black skin and W be a gene for white skin.  Suppose someone with
pure white skin, i.e. WWWWWW, had a child with someone with half black and
white skin, BBBWWW.  The possible gene combinations for skin color in the
child will be
BBBWWW  (20 ways)
BBWWWW  (180 ways)
BWWWWW  (180 ways)
WWWWWW  (20 ways)
Here there's a 85 percent chance the child with have skin darker than the
white parent.

A very light skinned black person, say BWWWWW, crossed with a white person
has these color possibilities for the child:
BWWWWW (200 ways)
WWWWWW (200 ways)
Again the child cannot be any darker than the darker of the two parents and
there's a 50 percent it will be all white.

Now the more interesting case of two light skinned, BWWWWW, blacks having
a child.  The possibilities are:
BBWWWW (100 ways)
BWWWWW (200 ways)
WWWWWW (100 ways)
As you can see, there's a full 25 percent chance the child will be darker
than either of the parents.  This case might be termed a "throwback."

Probabilities could be worked out along the same lines for any another
Negroid trait, say like hair form.  The chance or degree to which any
trait is inherited, though, is independent of any other trait.  For
example, the kind of hair you inherit does not influence the color of
your skin.
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