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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: East Carolina & NC State info, please.
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:07:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.083515.1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu> harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone have any news on East Carolina or NC State?  My local Newspaper is
                      ^^^^                     ^^^^^^^^

Like what kind of news are you seeking?


>the pits on Sports.  Thanks in advance. 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I speak for myself ONLY! Who in their right mind would let me speak for them?
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DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:25:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.140604.28680@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.200726.3975@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>>
>>Well the Canes weren't very impressed by Tim Brown all they did special on
>>defense against him is knock the living snot out of him every time he went
>>out for a pass or had the ball in his hands. He got so beat up in that game
>>that he was for the most part a non-entity. I especially remember seeing him
>>get a major case of alligator arms on one crossing pattern on a pass that was
>>eminently catchable. It didn't do him any good as he got obliterated on the play
>>anyway but the short arm incident sure made me feel like he was way overrated.
>>True Heisman material means you give it your all on every play and every time
>>your team calls your number. In the game against the Canes Tim brown was not
>>ND's best reciever, the tight end was (forget the name) and Tim Brown played
>>like a scared puppy. End of discussion.
>>
>>John
>>-- 
>
>Looks like Miami took a page from JoePa's book, the shortest armed receivers
>I ever saw were Blades, Perriman, and Irvin in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl - 
>boy, talk about scared receivers   :)
>
>John L

You're right about that our receivers were knocked about a bit in that one :~) but
I do recall one Alonzo Highsmith who did a little bit of bashing on his own right up
the vaunted, "JoePa middle linebacker U" :~) position. If we would have stayed with
the ground game I think the outcome could have been different. Note I said "COULD
HAVE" not "WOULD HAVE", I have to be careful around here, lot's of flame throwers
you know :~). Lately I've had to wear my nomex, looks like there's a lot of thin
skinned midwesterners out here in netland. Anyway you guys beat us fair and square
unlike that one school who had to have the refs blow the call on 4th and one at the
ND 2 yard line when the Canes obviuosly didn't score the TD but they did get the
first down but that fact was lost on the lame refs running the show. And I noticed
the chain gang (always picked from a local crew) was real quick to flip the down
indicator and change the direction arrow to show first and ten the other way. Oh
well it doesn't mean anything because at least they always win with honor unless
of course the coach is named Ara, then they tie with honor so as not to lose the
MNC.

John
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:07:04 GMT

Jeff Thompson writes:

>ND is indeed a FFF which is a DAME shame since it is a CATHOLIC SCHOOL.
>Please do not take this as a racial view but how does someone name ISHMAIL
>(or something like that) end up at a CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY?  Not to mention
>all the black atheletes that go there?  I'm not saying that there is
>anything wrong with black Catholics, but shouldn't you be Catholic, or at
>least be in the true process of converting to Catholicism?

FYI, students are admitted to Notre Dame irrespective of their religious 
convictions or affiliations.  That is true for the *entire* class of 
applicants - not just football players.  Just thought I'd mention it.

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <BrMIDw.8wK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpe36878@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Who are you to ask? ) writes:
>	My question is two-fold. First of all, does anyone know of any other
>schools who have an entire tribe as the namesake of its sports teams and
>has a respectful representation (authentic dress and dance) during its 
>sporting events? I know that Florida State is of course the Seminoles, but
>I was not convinced as to the authenticity of their "chief" or whatever he was

Seminole is a Creek word meaning renegade or 'politically
disenfranchised'. (heh!) The current Seminole Tribe consists mainly of
Appalachee, Miccosoukee, and Creek decendents who live in this area
(North Florida) for about two hundred years. They more or less became
recognized as a cohesive group under the term Seminole. The current
Seminole Nation is considered a seperate national entity, and this was
backed by a recent court decision in Florida. 

Anyway, FSU has (very embarrasing) NEVER graduated a member of the
Seminole Nation. Despite this, the school has a fairly good relationship
with the Tribe, IMHO because the Alumni Association gives them $$$ for
goods and the use of the name. But hey, what's wrong with that? Chief
Billie says that they support the school and the team, and that it is an
honor to use the name because they are proud and brave warriors and this
is befitting a football team.

The guy on the horse is not a Seminole, he's a frat boy. The garb is
semi-authentic. The jacket he wears is made by real Seminole. However, I
don't believe the Seminole fought with lances, nor on horseback, and
I believe this is just a throwback to our stereotypes of Plain
'Indians". Chief Osceola was a real historic figure, though. Personally,
I think this is an insult. If you are going to use the tradition, it
should be done accurately. While the various groups that lived around
here did fight long and hard against the Federals, I think for the most
part they were a peacful, agrarian society. To represent them on
horseback with weapons that make them look like Oglala or something, is
wrong. 

In general, I don't have a problem with sports teams using names like
Seminole, Illini, or even Chiefs. But, Redskins is an obvious racial
slur, and I would think very offensive to a Native American. AIM hasn't
really made an issue out of the use of Seminole, I imagine in part
because it is endorsed by the tribe.

Appologies for any inaccuracies in the historical account, it is correct
to the best of my knowledge.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: rszczerb@haydn.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:56:44 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Jul24.185223.10148@news.nd.edu> wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.183946.22948@alw.nih.gov> ravi@alw.nih.gov (Ravi Boddapati) writes:
>>I hate Notre Dame and its football team!  I was wondering howmany others
>>share the same feelings.  Ofcourse, you don't have to have a valid reason
>>for hating something or somebody.
>>
>>So, I have come up with an idea.  Let's make a survey on the net and see
>>the general feelings towards Notre Dame.
>>
>>All you have to do is add your name under the appropriate column below.
>>I would be glad to summarize the results, later.
>>
>>
>>I hate Notre Dame				I don't
>>*****************			*********************
>>Ravi Boddapati - ravi@helix.nih.gov	
>>
>>
>>No flames please.
>>
>>-- Ravi
>>
>That's a good idea- lists of things you hate for absolutely no reason.  I've
>been inspired to start my own.  Here it is, hope you like it:
>
>I hate Ravi Boddapati                          I don't
>*********************                   **********************
>Bill
>
>Actually it's because your last name sounds like "Port-a-potty"
>
>
What a great idea.  Please add me to the list of people who think
Ravi "Port-a-potty" Boddapati is a complete idiot.  Please don't consider
this a flame, as it was written with compassion and feeling.


As for the ND list - you can add me to the group that does not
hate Notre Dame.


	- have a nice day
From: jstiver@tolkien.helios.nd.edu (Jim Stiver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: the sucking of ND and Miami (was all those threads)
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:47:28 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

In article <55529@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>Oh, and about football factories . . . most of the schools are.  At
>least when people think of UCLA, USC, tu, Minnesota, Penn St., and
>others, they think of good academic schools, too.  How much of ND's
>television contract goes back to some other, non-athletic part of the
>school?

The TV contract money goes into the general scholarship fund which
is not an athletic part of the school.  You still think ND is a foot-
ball factory don't you?  In fact, the answer to your question isn't
even relevant to your position is it?  So why did you even ask?

>Gary Beason

Jim Stiver
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: more nicknames and mascots
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:57:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>
>>I remember hearing on ESPN that the bird is an ibis, supposedly the last
>>bird to leave before a hurrican hits, and the first to return afterward.
>>This sounds wonderfully courageous to many, but to me it sounds like a 
>>pretty stupid bird. :-)
>>
>Oh come on now Cliff. I am not against a little poke at the hurricanes
>every now and then but insult their mascot? You are a Huskie fan for
>christ sake. At least the stupid ibis doesn't lick himself on the 
>sidelines. 

Actually, the Husky mascot is an Alaskan Malamute.  True Huskies weigh
only about 35-40 pounds, whereas the Malamutes weigh more than a 100 lbs.
Guess they look more ferocious.  I know I would rather have a Malamute on
my side than that funny guy dressed in green that you can see wandering
around South Bend, Indiana.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:25:18 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Heisman Poll Update

Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......

Marshall Faulk, RB    San Diego State     45 pts.
Russell White, RB     California          28 pts.
Jerome Bettis, RB     Notre Dame          15 pts.
O.J. McDuffie, WR     Penn State          13 pts.
Shawn Jones, QB       Georgia Tech        11 pts.
Trevor Cobb, RB       Rice                11 pts.
Rick Mirer, QB        Notre Dame          11 pts.
Shane Matthews, QB    Florida             10 pts.
Billy Joe Hobert, QB  Washington           6 pts.
Qadry Ismail, WR      Syracuse             6 pts.
Greg Hill, ?          Texas A&M            6 pts.
Derek Brown, RB       Nebraska             5 pts.
Drew Blesdoe, QB      Washington State     5 pts.
Glyn Milburn, LB      Stanford             4 pts.
Gino Torretta, QB     Miami (FL)           3 pts.
Kevin Willams, KR     Miami (FL)           3 pts.
Several Tied          Various              1 pt.

Please continue to send in your votes and I will update this periodically.

-Todd

tf0y@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.013517.9510@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>
>Top Ten Dumbest :
>1. Notre Dame : No comment needed.
>2. Cal : The bear looks wimpier than Winnie the Pooh.
>3. Ohio State : With a nick like the Buckeyes, can't have a very good mascot.
>4. West Virginia : A mountaineer.  Shooting off a rifle.  Please.
>5. Texas Tech : Zorro-looking dork on a horse.
>6. Texas A&M : Reville the Collie dog.  Why?
>7. Duke : I'm sick of that little blue putz.
>8. Arkansas : Anorexic Razorback.
>9. Miami : I still think it's a chicken.
>10. Texas : Bevo -- the most sedated cow in the world; kind of sad.  
>
you forgot the Virginia cavalier. A dude in a big foam rubber 'cavalier'
suit. Ahhh, takes you back to the good old colonial days, doesnt it...

-rob


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:15:09 GMT

tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:
>Glyn Milburn, LB      Stanford             4 pts.
	       ^^
	     RB/KR

What is all this telling us about the quality of this poll?
Probably that it's just as bad as the real one.

And the fact the season hasn't started yet means that "our" voters
are able to avoid the hype.


--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: PAC 10 Heismans (was: Heisman Poll Update)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:52:59 GMT

In article <92206.155453ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes:
>In article <1682EC621.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
>(Jon Schmidt) says:
>>
>>>>How many heismans does the pac-10 own. Of couse I know of SC's 4 and I
>>>>know there is at least 1 more. Anyone?
>>>
>>>$tanfurd's got one, Plunkett won it in '72.
>>>
>>Nice try.  The 1972 Heisman trophy winner was Johnny Rodgers of Nebraska.
>
>     Um, actually, I'm pretty sure that 1972's went to Jim Plunkett... I
>was just looking at the trophy on Wednesday, so unless my short-term
>memory is totally off today...
>
>Brett

I know plunkett has won the heisman.  I think the year was 1971.
In addition gary beban of UCLA has also won it.

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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Rutgers Stadium (was Re: LIST: IA Football Stadiums (1 of 2))
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:42:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.155547.17693@ncsu.edu> dwjohnso@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul20.143742.528@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:
>|>From: jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black)
>|>In article <63834@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>I have to disagree with the above argument.  In recent times burbs
>become so tied to a city that they are virtually the same.  Any recent 
>development requires space which is generally not available in the
>immediate city but the suburbs offer facilities.  The Redskins are
>moving to Alexandria Va are they now to be the Alexandria Redskins??
>Hardly, the Alexandria is still closely identified with Washington, DC.

It's the same thing with the New York Giants and Jets.  Their stadium
is in the Meadowlands in New Jersey but they are still referred to as
the New York ...

I think that as new stadiums are built, they will be near, but not in,
the metropolitan areas for the reason stated above -- space.

Dave


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Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Keywords: Head for the mountains.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:50:43 GMT

In article <4239@equinox.unr.edu> dirk@wheeler.unr.edu (Dirk Cockrum) writes:
>Straight Coke at a football game??!!  Do people actually do that?

Only OU quarterbacks.

- goober(okay, i'm sorry...the okie aggie in me just couldn't resist tho) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Where is Nebraska Marty? (Was Re: On-Field College Mascots
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:25:05 GMT

>In article <1992Jul23.190314.14964@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
>>tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>
>>>Top Ten Coolest :
>>>2. Colorado : Ralphie the Buffalo -- 'nuff said.
>>
>>Don't forget Chip, the buffalo that skateboards around the concrete 
>>"half-pipe" of the south endzone. The students love him.
>
>    I've certainly noticed that there is no shortage of Buffalo
>chips flying around the Buffs and their faithful.
>
>--
>Guy McConnell

Careful, Guy, you don't want to start another one of those "Oranges on the    
Field" type controversies.  That's a pretty good Nebraska Marty imitation, 
though.  What happened to that guy, anyways?

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: atchison@ozma.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:32:57 GMT

In article <BrwLtp.LHo@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>ti.com>

>I agree.  Enough about ND.  However, I'm curious to find out how many 
>college stadiums sell beer.   Michigan Stadium doesn't sell any kind 
>of alcohol.  That being the source of my main college football experience,
>I was surprised to see beer sold at the Rose Bowl this last year.  
>(So surprised that I bought a couple.) 
>Is it common for college stadiums to sell beer/alcohol?  

No alcohol sales at Ohio Stadium.  The 'bota bag' is pretty much required
game day attire, though.  The no beer-sales policy REALLY pissed off the
30,000+ fans showing up for Ohio Glory games this spring.  I'd be surprised
if they didn't try to take advantage of this $$$ opportunity next spring ...
(providing they and the league make it to next spring, of course :))

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		The plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: University of S. Carolina Fight Song
Keywords: Go Cocks
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:16:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.76885
Reply-To: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Stupid .sig Files

Can someone post the words (including the yells, etc.) to the University of
South Carolina Fight Song?

'HORNS
'HOOS
'COCKS

[Wow, that almost sounds obscene.]

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:53:36 EDT
From: <KPS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Distribution: na

In article <2837@wrdis01.af.mil>, demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) says:

>tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>>Top Ten Coolest :
>>1. Syracuse : The Orange -- He just looks so happy.

>You're kidding, right?!?  Definitely the #1 Stupidest mascot, in my
>opinion (and this is an orange-bleeding SU fan speaking here!).

>>Top Ten Dumbest :
>>1. Notre Dame : No comment needed.
>
>1. Syracuse : No comment needed.  All others look OK compared to this.

I don't mean to add insult to Darryl's humility but I have to agree with
him. Whenever Syracuse and Penn State used to play, our mascot (the Lion)
always went around bouncing the orange Syracuse mascot like a basketball.
I assume other mascots do the same with it. At least the guy (or girl) in
the outfit has a sense of humor about it.  :-)

Kevin S.
KPS at psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: The Wonderful Bo Schembechler
Keywords: rose, heart, michigan, woody
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:20:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.175440.18750@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.160951.7768@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul24.095152.16970@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|>           "Bo Schembechler:  The Gentleman's Gentleman,
|> >|>            and a hell of a bowl coach, to boot!"
|> >|> 
|> >
|> >Good God!!!! I have heard alot of BS on the net but this takes the
|> >cake! No doubt Woody and Bo were legends of the game, but don't you
|> >think you are spreading it on a bit thick.
|> >
|> >Bo as a great commentator??????
|> >
|> >Woody, teaching that Clemson player a valuable lesson!! P-Uuuuuuu
|> >
|> >You work for the Michigan PR Dept. right? 
|> 
|> And you win our net.poster.gullible award.
|> FISHED HIM!!!!
|> Congrats on your first catch Brian.
|> 

Yep...Certainly reeled me in.-)

-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
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