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From: lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Leonidas Hepis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Compare DOD822XL, Ross RCS802 and Mackie 1202
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:18:27 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Alighton asked me to post this because he can't do it from his site:

From: alighton@dale.cts.com
Subject: Re: Compare DOD822XL, Ross RCS802 and Mackie 1202

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I just wanted to say yet another good word for Mackie, both as a mixer and as a
company.  I bought a 1604 mixer in 1992.  Mackie provides detailed information
on how to cut and jump traces to configure the mixer to your own personal
needs.  I followed their procedures and modified mine in several ways.  Shortly
thereafter, my mixers electronic solo switching went south.  I didn't think I'd
caused it when I was doing the cuts and jumps, but certainly would not have
been surprised if they had not honored their warranty.

But, not only did they fix it for free, they had it back to me  2
weeks after I'd sent it to them, good as new.  They were most courteous when I
requested the RA number and when I called to check on it.  

And the mixer sounds excellent.  The difference between it and my old Fostex
line mixer is like night and day.  I never realized how good (or bad) a mixer
can sound.

My $.02 worth.


----end of alighton's message.


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the pants it hurts ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SPLEEN ?! When  |
that happens to me I see NO Intelligent Divine Designer! |lhep_ltd@uhura
I see chaos and stars and birds flying around my head :) |.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: smith@ecs.comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: sampling, copying etc
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:21:09 GMT

bing@apple.com (Christopher R. Bingham) writes:

> Let's try a different quiz.  Again, there's two different musicians.
   [description of derivative musician who nevertheless programs his
    own sounds deleted]

>  [description of musician who uses samples in various ways and comes
    up with a completely original and unique work of art deleted]
> 
> Which musician is more legal?
> Which musician is more ethical?
> Does anyone see a discrepancy??

This is an excellent analogy!  Unfortunately, cases such as these in "real
life" tend to be something of a judgement call, and it's a lot easier to
make laws that assume the issue is all black or all white.  Nevertheless, I
think a law which makes a real attempt to protect/reward creativity should
be our goal.

Oh, and regarding the statement made by someone who claims that "techno
rave artists sample anything they want and never get sued" well, that's
simply not true.  Remember Negativeland?  Now, that's a slightly different
issue, I admit it.  But how about KLF, back when they were The Jamms?  They
had some song that sampled the hell out of ABBA, and they got sued and were
forced to destroy all the remaining copies (as I recall, they then re-released
the song without samples but with detailed instructions on how to recreate
the original sample-laden work...classic!).

jds

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From: barothwe@pobox.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.makers.synth.guitar,rec.music.synth
Subject: OK... Maybe I need an ART Multiverb LT
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:41:13 GMT
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  Does anyone have an ART Multiverb LT for sale?

Thanks. (Please reply directly to my email address shown in my sig)

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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:12108 sci.electronics:23336
From: ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,sci.electronics
Subject: Peavey P.A. problem...
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:41:19 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

I have a Peavey 12 channel "powered mixer" model # XR-1200 from
the early 1980's. It's essentially a 12 channel mixer and a power
amplifier built into one console.

This unit has a thermostatically controlled cooling fan which
comes on after the system has been in use for an hour or so.
When the fan "turns on", a horribly loud static noise comes
out of the speakers for a few seconds. This is bad news
during a gig.

Has anyone had similar problems ? What might I do to repair
this unit myself ?

Ed Stokes
ebstokes@crd.ge.com
From: burgess@hri.com (Stephen Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Info Needed: Oberheim Drum Pattern Sequencer
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:48:51 GMT
Reply-To: burgess@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


What exactly does the Oberheim Drummer Drum Pattern
Sequencer do? I have an Alesis SR-16 and love the
sounds but not being a drummer programming the thing
is a real pain. I end up using the same old patterns
over and over again rather than making up new ones.
Would the Oberheim unit really take the drudgery out of
programming as the marketing info claims? 

-------------------------------------------------
Stephen Burgess (burgess@hri.com)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Subject: Re: Gibson Widget MIDI Guitar Converter
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:05:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1jhkq9INN3dq@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Montgomery) writes:

>>I would appreciate all opinions on the Gibson Widget
>>MIDI guitar converter. Principally, I'm interested
>>on how the things tracks. I've tried several MIDI
>>guitar setups and it's always been the tracking that
>>has disappointed me. 

>I bought one through Musicians Friend mail order.  The tracking was
>poor...the interface boxes/cables were clunky and cumbersome to mount.
>Needless to say, I returned it for a full refund.
	
	I agree.  The Widget is lame.

>Everyone has their own conception of 'poor tracking', in my case, I also
>returned the new Roland GR1 for poor tracking.  Your requirements may not
>be as mine but I would HIGHLY recommend purshasing it through a store/mail 
>order house that offers a full refund if you don't like it.
	
	I disagree.  The GR-1 is not lame.  In fact, if you don't use
any external sound sources via MIDI, and just stick to the built in 
generator, I'd say the GR-1 is amazing.  My friend swears by it, and I've
spent alot of time with it - the thing works great.  You have to set it up
properly of course, which isn't difficult.

	The MIDI output is horrible though.  Night and day difference,
night and day.

				Ken

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From: gt0269b@prism.gatech.EDU (David D. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: WANTED: Vocoder Info
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:11:17 GMT
Organization: Windswept Terrace

Posting for a friend, please reply to vaps0rm@prism.gatech.edu.

I am looking for a vocoder; I don't really know much about them would be
helpful-names, models, advice, recommendations, price expectations. I'm looking
for a way to do that 'robotic' type voice. Follow up to this message or mail
to the address above (NOT the one in the .sig). Thanks in advance,
Randy McDow
vaps0rm@prism.gatech.edu
-- 
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 "We only want a quiet place to finish working while God eats our brains."
--Bruce Sterling              Fnord.               gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu
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From: gross@ssd.kodak.com (Dan Gross)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.audio.pro
Subject: Fostex X-26 Technical Manual???
Keywords: Technical Manual Needed...Help!
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:00:25 GMT
Reply-To: gross@eksignal.kodak.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak


	I'm looking for a technical manual for the Fostex X-26 4-track
recorder, if such a beast is publicly available.  I was wondering if there 
would be any way to get one that would be faster than writing to Fostex and 
asking for one.  If you have one, or know of places to look, please let me 
know.  Thanks in advance!

						--Dan Gross
						gross@eksignal.kodak.com

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Signal Processing Dept.		"I'll always be a wordman,
Eastman Kodak EP Bldg 3, 1 fl     better than a birdman." - J. D. Morrison
Rochester NY 14653-5908         Kodak doesn't even WANT my opinion....
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From: Andrew D Milligan <andym@dsbc.icl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: sampling, copying etc
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:06:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 4SN, UK

In article <1993Jan20.115139.1632@aber.ac.uk> sym@aber.ac.uk (Stuart McIntyre) writes:
>
>Dear fellow musicians,

>       Think of two musicians. oth decide to write a song. Both like
>rap, so they both write rap songs. One of them takes the style
>of the rap songs already in existance, mixes the ingredients, adds 
>his own ideas and writes it in a slighly new style, but it is still a
>rap song.
>	The other artiste, although wanting fame an fortune is, however
>unfortunate enough to have no talent. He takes existing songs, samples
>large parts of them, sticks them together and calls it 'his' song.
>
>What do you think of the two musicians? Is the first a rip off artist?
>

You gave almost enough information to answer the question.

Totally subjectively, which musician's music sounds better?


Phorward,
Andy D.M.
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From: jones@sdd.hp.com (The Devil's Advocate)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Can powering amps/PAs off/on damage them?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:37:06 GMT
Organization: The People who wrote that "Emergency Broadcast System" speech
Distribution: world
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True, and in addition, leaving the amp on keeps it warm for the remaining
three sets.  Admittedly though, you're probably well past 63% of your 
amp's time constants long be4 the start of the 2nd set.  My motivation for
turning gear off between sets is environmental consciousness, but my stuff
also has protective measures against the transition period shock Joi refers
to...

TDA


In article <1k2cpeINNe4l@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis) writes:
|> acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney) writes:
|> 
|> Powering off equipment isn't necessarily a bad thing.  However, the
|> act of turning on or turning off electrical equipment is often the most
|> stressful state the equipment finds itself in, and it is more likely to
|> fry itself during that transition period than during actual use. ...
|> 
|> -- 
|> Joi Ellis                      msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
|> Student Residential Programs   Western Illinois University
|>
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Marshall 30th Anniversary Amps
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:49:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am seeking opinions, and local prices in your area, on the new Marshall 30th
anniversary amplifiers:  the 100W 6100 Head, and the 6101 combo version.

They have the following features, among others:

3 channels: high gain Lead, Clean, & crunch
compensation switches for single coil pkups
MIDI control!  128 channel presets, Midi footswitchable:  amp stores info when
powered down.
Low volume compensation switch
effects loop
compensated XLR output (like a Red Box or SansAmp)
half-power option
pentode/triode operation


i have not heard it in action yet, but it has all the features i want...
Can anyone add to this information?


-- 
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"Walking the fine line... between Pagan and Christian...." - Steve Vai
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.makers.synth.guitar,rec.music.synth
From: barothwe@pobox.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Subject: LooKing for a Digitech MSP-4 FX or equiv.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:44:48 -0600
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I'm interested in possibly acquiring a
Digitech MSP-4 FX or it's equivalent.
I am also interested in opinions on same.

Danka.

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From: wgg@col.hp.com (Grant Grovenburg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Finale 2.2 may be ready
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:29:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsqd.col.hp.com

I just recieved a offer in the mail to upgrade Finale to the 2.2 release.
Only $10.00. It claims to run in enhanced Windows Mode.

Thought some of you might be interested.

Grant
From: harley@bu-ast.bu.edu (Harley Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: FOR SALE: Electric Guitar - Flying V
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:26:52 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: harley@bu-ast.bu.edu


    
     Must Sell - Cheap!!

     FOR SALE:  Dean baby FLYING V Electric Guitar

          - 2 pickups, vintage humbucker in bridge position and EMG
            Select single coil in neck position. Guitar is set
            up so both operate simultaneously.

          - non-tremelo bridge consisting of partial Kahler
            tremelo that can be converted easily back to 
            tremelo.
          
          - in great condition, with new V gig bag
          - satin finish neck with rosewood fingerboard
          - has white original paint headstock, but body
            is plain wood   
            or you can   paint/decorate it as you wish!)
          - Thick tube-like sound. Great for heavy music
               or grunge.
          - a little smaller than a full-size V

                 $150   Please e-mail harley@bu-ast.bu.edu
                        if interested.

  Harley Erickson


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr)
Subject: Re: Musical Notation Questions
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:28:31 GMT

In article <C19AuD.BoM@rivm.nl> mtvfb@rivm.nl (Fokke de Boer) writes:
>Jon Berger (jonb@Ingres.COM) wrote:
>: In article <1jn8b5INN3pc@west.West.Sun.COM>, flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
>: >2.  When you come upon an accidental on, say, A3, are the other
>: >     A's in the staff also affected?  How about the A4, A5, etc?
>
>: Yes to all questions.
>
>NO, WRONG! If you want those raised too, you should add accidentals to ALL notes
>affected. Unless of course you are referring to accidentals "up front" (I don't
>know how you call it, but the first signs of the piece, right after the clefs).
>They affect all A's. (or whatever note is meant to be affected)

NO, RIGHT!  an accidental on an 'A' affects *all* A's.  That's Music
Theory Law (or whatever you want to call it).  If you want to be kind
to the musician, you *should* mark all the other A's, but it is not
needed.  personally, I've never liked this 'rule' and it *has* caused
me to make errors while transcribing to a new key. :-(

Alan
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From: lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: henry kaiser video
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:04:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fLr9Gy00WB4B3fkc=
Organization: Sponsored account, School Of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


So, although i find the aura that's building up around henry kaiser to be
kind of gross, there are many tracks of his that i'm quite fond of.  I see
that he sells a video: ``Eclectic Electric -- Exploring New Horizons for
Guitar and Improvisation.''  Have any of you seen this video?  Is it worth
buying?  With sections like ``Captain Beefheart Guitar Styles'' i'd guess
it has to be pretty unique....

-t
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: brad@ssd.intel.com (Brad Rullman)
Subject: Re: Beatles & ADT...how?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:00:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.190149.16192@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.063614.19971@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu  
|> (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
|> > In article <1jhlgsINN3nd@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM  
|> > (Dennis Montgomery) writes:
|> > > I've read many articles discussing the Beatles use of ADT (Automatic  
|> > Double
|> > > Tracking) to 'fatten' up their vocals and I was wondering...  
|> > > 
|> > > 1) How exactly did it work? 
|> > 
|> > John and Paul would sing at the same time ;-)
|> > 
|> > --
|> > Nathan Janette
|> > PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu
|> > 
|> > Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
|> 
|> The film "The Making of Sergeant Pepper's" includes interviews with George  
|> Martin in which he demonstrates how the vocals were double tracked on a  
|> four-track recorder...
|> 
|> Jay
|> jay@ccrma.stanford.edu

Hoever, double-tracking and ADT are not the same thing.  ADT is
what they came up with because John complained to George Martin
during the making of the Revolver album in 1966 that he was tired
of having to sing all of his vocals twice, and couldn't they invent
something that would do it for him?

So they actually invented a device right there in the studio that 
would delay his voice by a few milliseconds, so they could record
his original voice and the delayed voice on the same take.  (They
did not have Digital Delays back then.)  I'm not exactly sure
how it worked ... I think they actually recorded his voice on a
separate tape and then a play head played it back right away, thus
resulting in the small delay.

You can do the same thing easily these days with a digital delay
(I use an SPX-90II).  Just set the delay to about 15 milliseconds,
and this is pretty much the sound they got.


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brad@ssd.intel.com                15201 Greenbrier Parkway
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