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From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence"
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:13:57 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <IGOR.92Oct7193216@krishna.cs.columbia.edu> igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>In article <97798@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes
about Solaris:
>>  This is the only Tarkovsky movie that I do not like because it completely
>>  distorts Lem's original work. 
>
>>  Lem was mad as hell at Tarkovsky for making that movie and would have
>>  definitely stopped the production if he could.
>
>Interesting. I like this movie for various reasons, but one of them is
>that it "completely distorts Lem's original work". - It is so much
>better! Of corse Lem was mad! He realised what he could have written
>and didn't!

No. Film and book are on different themes, Lem wouldn't write
vague yet intense "psychologically-emotional" treatise.
Look at his later books - he works with bigger objects (civilization future),
he is much more pessimistic, he is straight as possible - he can't work
with people (with there psychology and subtleties burden), he needs almost
formal objects so he use Clapaucius or Yon Tihiy (Ion Quiet ?). Not to mention
how far (in different dimensions) are Pirks from his yearly manned works 
and any hero from Tarkovsky movies.

Seems, Lem understood that optimistic and "always OK" scientific Pirks
is not a good model for gloomy and bloody reality (which looks this way on 
global civilization level), and, being materialist 
(that means stopping by definition before any God or 
supernatural or soul ideas), necessary came to nihilism and pessimistic
view on technology (which is equal to civilization future for him) -
just read Futurist Congress.

Probably, Solaris was his probe in both "man emotional" and "man-God"
relations (whre Solaris itself may be considered as model 
of God playing with man) - and he stopped on threshold and then 
cancelled this direction in his writing. But for Tarkovsky Solaris 
was positioon before start -
from which he moves in direction cancelled by Lem to own start 
and them farther. Of course, Lem would be mad.
It's like Lem wouldn't agree that sacrifice may solve any problem.

More interesting question is relation between Roadside Picnic 
and Stalker (where Strugatskie wrote and rewrote screen play with Tarkovsky
during film shooting). Any takers?

Disclaimer: all above imho only :-)

	-igor
From: galina@watson.ibm.com_ (Galina Kofman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:21:01 GMT
Reply-To: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In  <1bfaivINN6u5@rodan.UU.NET>  avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
>
> There is no such thing as "female" sexuality. There is no such
> thing as "north" magnet. Sex and magnetism always come with
> two opposite sides; things are yan and tsi and empowered with mu.
>
> --vadim

I knew one day I would be sorry for skipping sex education class.
Magnets, yan, tsi, mu - I am completely lost.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence" and other stuff
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:02:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.211334.47055@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:

... some stuff deleted

>  And what that asshole Sokurov made out of "Billion years before Doomsday"...
>  This guy pretends to be something like "Tarkovsky today". But he just
>  doesn't have the guts. He has fears and complexes, but no power or talent.
>  At the presentation of "Billion years before Doomsday" I threw an orange
>  at him. Wish it had been a 1000-ton concrete block.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wish it was, too. Then you would get "gryzha" trying to lift it, and wouldn't
through this kind of groundless accusations on people, and call them names.
I mean you might not like the way Sokurov works, but I don't see any reason to 
call him an asshole. It all looks like those articles-letters in
Soviet newspapers: "I wholeheartedly agree with the line of our Party
and Government. I think that the "writer" <name> , blackening our
Socialist reality and our Party and Government, has no place in our
great Soyuz Pisateley (Writers' Union) and should be <mode of
punishment>. 
			worker <worker_name>.

How long does it take to squeeze the slave out of oneself?

--Igor

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits)
Subject: Re: translation
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:17:25 GMT

In article <FRRasB1w165w@halcyon.com>, mashina <novost@halcyon.com> writes:
> Can anyone tell me what the English translation of ototsikl is?
> 
>    Thanks in advance,
>                 Jeff

It's a mistery. If you mean [m]ototsikl, the solution is cycle or motorcycle
if you prefer.

Sergei
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Sokurov is NOT an asshole!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:06:57 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct11222437@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>
>Here's a dilemma. If Sokurov in not an asshole, why do his
>films have all the requisite qualities of any films made by an asshole?

Where is contradiction? His films have other qualities, too.

btw, what's your definition of 'a--hole' and list of requisites for
qualification?

>Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:23:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Ottsveli uzh davno margaritki v sadu

Personally, I am tired of her rhetoric. She bothers me more than Harvard 
people. When is she going to shut up?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Open Request to Mr. Belchinskiy - closed
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:58:22 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Oct12.011202.241417@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>
>>>-- 
>>>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
>>
>>too many fools for one day
>>
>>	-igor
>
>Please specify what you mean: what day, what fools. 

Friday was the day. Some foolish Harvard/anti-racist/PC messages in 
this poor group.
And then yours - Lem & Tarkovskiy, Strugatskie & Sokurov, plain gur'ev kasha
with rasins, pigs and pepper. Message was with your e-mail designation.
And disgustingly stupid. And no inventiveness in word as would be 
in green case.
So I make my observation. Though if it was your younger brother from
kindergarten - my apologies to you - just explain him he's a fool, OK?

>Or I'll decide that you just want to be the Eighth Pig.

And then? Do you know magic of transformation?
Anyway, I wouldn't got to the North - it's too cold there.
>-- 
>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.

ObjSubstantiality:
1. Eggs are much better than oranges.
2. Sokurov has talent.
3. The Million days were just a try. Experiment. Wait 5-10 years more -
and the maybe Sokurov would learn "how". But he knows "what" - and he was
on right way.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: svangav@eng.clemson.edu (sreedhar vangavolu)
Subject: Re: Immigrants/non-immigrants....
Reply-To: svangav@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:54:38 GMT


	Hai Everybody !!

		I am newcomer to this group and hope to share or flame the
	popular opinions on the net and thereby participate in the discussions that
	are going.

	Now coming to the point;

In article Ito@news.cso.uiuc.edu, didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>I have a e-mail that I want to share: 
>And I think that immigrants:
>1) Have it a little bit easier in this country and
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Could you be more specific !!!!!!!!

>2) Still think that everybody should be eager to live in the
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


	Why do you think so ? 

>US, not in the SU.
>
>Responce:
>
>Tovarisch, tyi ne prav.



	Sree.
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Luna Park....
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:52:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct13.194842.16357@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>who are willing to recognize, say, Chaim Bialik or Taras Shevchenko as
>representatives of Russian culture.

Should they recognize Bethhoven or Einstein, too? Why in the hell they
should recognize Shevchenko as a representative of _Russian_ culture?

>
>constituted by any ethnic or religious minority.  Inasmuch as Russian
>nationalism has as its goal not merely survival and preservation, but
>fulfillment of a putative historical destiny, it is certainly aimed

It certanly reminds me parallel discussion on this group about destiny
of Jewish nation. Against whom aimed it. 

As for prominent Russian nationalists... Solzhnitscyn is definetely
one. He maybe antisemit, or maybe not, but not obvious or agressive.
All this previous discussion about Russian writers (I do not mean 
okolopamjatnikov) and their antisemitism
is some sort of witchhunt. Seems like some people just love have foes,
espessially dead and famous. Russian writers are definetely true Russian
nationalists, meaning poeple, who hold the nation together. What's your
definition of Russian nationalist, anyway?

Yury

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur)
Subject: Re: mail ( OTBET COBKA! )
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 03:17:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.010217.16164@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.030442.16403@fns-nc1.fns.com> vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur) writes:
>
>
>                             .
>                             .
>                             .
>                             .
>a buzzard. You're just such a cowardly green gerbil.
>
>Misha.
>(yes, yes, no kidding! Just fucked up)


Mr. Verbitsky,

It was both very entertaining and very educational.
Glad to be such an inspiration for you.

Best regards.
Victor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:33:25 GMT

In article <84600008@glas.apc.org>, Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:
>
>About freedom of speech and "Cop Killer":
>
>Freedom of speech is not "just a piece of paper" in America, it is
>an eternal debate on the meaning of that phrase and whether
>everything, no matter how hurtful of repellent, should be displayed
>to the public.
>
>There was enormous debate over the song and in fact the move to
>suppress it generated dynamics such that it gained a far wider
>audience than it ever would have.
>
>There was no secret, silent, official suppression of this song.
>The entire affair was played out in gory detail in every piece
>of news media in the country. Everyone had a different opinion.
>
>Finally, as I remember, Ice-T himself said he wasn't so proud of
>the song and wishjed people would concentrate on his new
>musical style rather than these rather trivial words, lacking
>any real poetic sense or complicated meaning.
>
>"Freedom" is a complicated idea that has strong dynamics. 
>In America it is far from being "just a sheet of paper."
>
>It is our national obsession.
>
>margaret
>



 Hmm, have you heard the song? Also where are you?


                                                                       adam
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: U.S. students poor performance in math/scienc
Date: 13 Oct 1992 05:52:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <Oct.12.11.45.13.1992.7762@pilot.njin.net> macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko) writes:
>
>To think that they were 
>spending billions of rubles trying to make their chips larger...

They were trying to make them same. They came out bigger by themself.

Well, for Russian language impaired :), large microchip in Russian is
VLSI. 

Yury
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: So why don't you like Yuri Khanin?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:44:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi!

In article <Bw2FFu.8rJ@max.physics.sunysb.edu>, gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) writes:

[ citations of citations deleted ]

>   Listen you, stop annoying me! I've put the subject "Sokurov ...." in my

It must be really easy to annoy thee, mortal.

>   BTW I was at the premiere of this  movie in Moscow and have to say that 
>Khanin (?) that wrote music for this movie is definitely an asshole! 

Khanin is a nice guy able of both joking and understanding other people's
jokes. It's a rare gift.

> Needless to say, book is MU-U-UCH better!

Needless. Words are nothing but lies.


-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:18:03 EDT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <14211.2adaa561@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu is bullshitting:

>In article <84600011@glas.apc.org>, Patricia Schwartz
<margaret@glas.apc.org> does the same:


> The dependance
>of a woman on a man is also part of russian culture.

That's complete bullshit! Ever read Rudin or Oblomov?
The dependence (dunno about dependance, tho')
of a man on a woman is a part of a Russian culture.
Of course, readers of Proskurin (Vadim, that is)
will argue. Let them eat their shit.

>Ask women and
>you will see that most of them would prefer to depend on their husbands.

You can always find a deranged individual who will
agree with any folly. Of course, any self-respecting
woman (and man) will prefer to depend on her(him)self.
Why Russian rate of divorces is highest in a world,
do you think? I don't think you do.

>And the same about men, who would like her wifes to look after home
>and children instead of pursuing career.

And lick their genitalia. There are always people who want
to oppress somebody's will and deprave others
of self-respect. 


>  Yes , Margaret was spiritually much stronger than the Master.
>But did not you notice that nevertheless the Master was a man
>Margeret was depending on. Considering the Master and Margaret
>alone (without Voland,Frida,etc) she was the dependant.
>Though the stronger one.

Huh? Sounds as stupid as usual. Could anyone elaborate
what Vadim meant to say?

Misha.
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:59:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Oct9015945
 <1b235cINNb32@rodan.UU.NET><NIKOLAY.92Oct8204004@husc10.harvard.edu><1b2onpINNkhf@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Poets for Physics
In-reply-to: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU's message of 9 Oct 92 01:54:01 GMT

On 9 Oct 92 01:54:01 GMT, 
muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) said:

> In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct8204004@husc10.harvard.edu> 
nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:

>>nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>>>>Go fuck yourself...
>>
>>Ha, another well-mannered racist pukehead stung by
>>the crude,disgusting methods of the ubiquitos masonic 
>>PC Thought Police. Insulting gentle racist hearts 
>>is my specialty. The term 'brainwashing' can't apply
>>to you by definition.
>>
> Slushajte, grazhdane, u nih tam v Harvarde gnezdo, chto li?
> Pomnitsja extra-vezhlivyji Zhenja is Gorokhova tozhe teper'
> iz Harvarda, i tozhe husc.harvard.edu.

Da, u nas tut gnezdo osinoye, rassadnik chudovishnoi
krovoprolitnoy politicheskoy korrektnosti (tak, kazhetsia,
u vas v Berkli nazyvayut zdravyi smysl). Nashe vam s kistochkoi.

> Poslushajte, porosenok philja, vy ne mogli by kak-nibud' s zhenej
> zamknut'sja drug na druge, a? Poderites' tam mezhdu soboj, a kto ostanetsja
> v zhivyh, uzh pishite.

Uvy, mukhomor Yura, my s Zheney zamknulis' na tom, chto
vas vsekh nuzho unichtozhit, tak chto pridetsia vam poterpet',
ostroumets vy moi.

>Yuri

Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
From: ks@cse.unl.edu (Krishnan Sarangarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Looking for Ramsey@maine.bitnet (E-mail addresses at Herzen)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 21:00:43 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

Hi there,
	This message is for the person whose e-mail address is              
ramsey@maine.bitnet (or something similar). Will you please send me
your e-mail address to ks@cse.unl.edu? You needed info. on obtaining e-mail
addresses and I have some and I tried to send you mail earlier but it
bounced. Thanks. Take care.

p.s. To those to whom this message doesn't apply, I am very sorry but I had
to get a hold of the above person.

						Krishnan S.
						ks@cse.unl.edu
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:59 MDT
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Nf-ID: #R:glas:84600011:glas:84600013:000:2402
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 14 00:59:00 1992


I am helpless with quoting others on this machine in front of me,
but to the person who responded saying that the brand of feminism 
that I espouse sickens his, I think you have misunderstood.
There is a difference between trying to explain and espousing.
I do not espouse the "anti-sex" movement and indeed within the
complicated structure called "American feminism" there is indeedd
a strong current against this trend (like S&M feminists and etc.)
also a strong "anti-PC" current. There is a lot more open disagreement
and discussion and actual THOUGHT going on in what some people
persist in viewing as a monolithic unified school of PC Nazis.

Anyways, I would never presume to advise anything to Russian women.
My goal is to learn.

BUT on the issue of being dependent - this is a two-way street in
any relationship. However, in a modern society where the divorce
rate is bound to be high because life in general is faster and
relationships don't keep up with people in them, I think it is
dangerous for a woman to be 100% financially dependent on a man.

Many of my friends wound up in this situation: he asks her to
not owrk and stay home with kids. She agrees. In a few years
he starts falling in love with woman, CAREER woman, usually in
his same office even, because in general people who work out
in the world have more to discuss than people who only cook
and babysit.

Since she didn't work for all those years, when he divorces her to
marry the career woman who fascinates him more, she winds up
practically in poverty, with children, while her ex-husband
is now in a two-income family without kids (except weekends
and holidays when his kids come to visit, unless his new wife
can't be bothered.)

I know so many women that this happened to! At the age of
forty, with two or three kids and only small amount of child support
and maybe alimony but not so much lately, she must begin her
economic life in a bad situation of having no job experience
(except cook and babysitter which pays poverty-level wages.)

What to do? Women - depend on men if you want to, but don't
give up job skills and career experience, because almost
nobody can live up to this promise of "till death do us part."
Eventually you will be alone with the want-ads in your hand
wondering how to make a living by yourself!

(Well, that's not a wish, I wish love always lasted forever,
but very often it doesn't.)

m

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From: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
Subject: Mailing packages to Moscow
Keywords: is there a cheaper way?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:22:33 GMT

I want to send some Christmas packages to friends in Moscow.  Does
anyone know if U.S. Post Office has anything like their "Humanitarian
Airlift" going right now?  (Humanitarian Airlift let you send packages
by first class mail, but pay only the surface mail rate, plus $1 per
pound.)

I don't want to send anything by surface mail.  I did that last year.
Packages mailed at the end of October didn't arrive until March.  I'd
also like to avoid paying the first class rate, because its really 
outrageous.  The only other thing I can come up with is the Book
Rate, which is cheaper than first class, but, of course, you have 
to be mailing books.

I'd appreciate any help..
-- 
___________________
Margaret Wiginton
margaret@msw104i.b24b.ingr.com
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:04:16 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <81369@ut-emx.uucp> vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky) writes:
>In article <921001236@tbucks.com> root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
>> ............... OTOH, the film Andrei Rublev will be shown at the
>> University of Colorado next month. There are some good co-efforts too, such
>> as The Inner Circle and Back in the USSR.
>> 
>A few years ago, Andrei Rublev was screened in a campus theater at Stanford.
>I missed it back in the USSR, and I jumped at the opportunity (I was at
>Stanford than).  Like most educated Russians, I loved that movie;
>however, most Americans in the audience were dissapointed.
>Not because of any culture clash, or cultural deficiency on their part,
>but for a rather mundane reason:  the English translation stank to high
>heaven:-(.
>
>So here is my advice to Timothy and any other American who want to see
>Andrei Rublev:  Definitely go see it, but if you do not understand spoken
>Russian, get a friend to translate it for you, or at least to provide
>some comments.  If you HAVE to rely on subtitres to understand what's
>going on, please, PLEASE, do not judge the movie itself by their abysmal
>quality.
>
>--
>**********************************************************************
>Vadim S. Kaplunovsky,              | #include <std_disclaimer.h>
>Assistant Professor of Physics,    |
>University of Texas at Austin.     | My English isn't THAT bad,
>vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu         | but my typing stinks:-(.

My housemates rented Andrei Rublev yesterday from Tower Records, and it
had subtitles, which were sort of shitty.  The movie is pretty good but
the quality of translation is terrible. For general info: the movie Andrei
Rublev is available for rent at Tower Records.

		Alex.
From: macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: U.S. students poor performance in math/scienc
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:45:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


  Ok, ok the bit about Soviet clocks being fastest is even more obvious then 
the one about microchips.  But I've heard that one before.  I simply found 
the comment about microchips more amusing since it would explain why the 
Soviet Union was so far behind in chip minimization.  To think that they were 
spending billions of rubles trying to make their chips larger...

						-PCM
-- 

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