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From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroid effects
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:11:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr15.131149.24105
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <1992Apr15.151925.15645@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> In article <12566@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
|> >Absolutely, but they also would not produce the effects that bodybuilders and
|> >powerlifters want.
|> 
|> They'd have some anabolic effects, just not so pronounced.
|> But they's be a lot safer.  The bodybuilding community is
|> (probably _was_ is a better verb these days) an enormous
|> uncontrolled human experiment, but one where the problems
|> from such steroid use goes unnoticed and mostly unreported,
|> except for the exceptional cases.  There's no way, for example,
|> to get a sense of the prevalence of subclinical liver damage,
|> raised cholesterol, etc., except restrospectively when someone
|> happens to be examined.  I think this kind of excessive use
|> is definitely unwise.

Seems lots of bodybuilders that admit to using roid's claim to do so
to inhibit the catabolism phase of tissue regeneration.  In fact, if 
you read some of the latest hype on Met-Rx (claims to inhibit catabolism
without anabolic effects), they claim that inhibiting catabolism is
major good done by 'roids.  Any truth to this?  Any guess as to whether
Met-Rx can accomplish what it's claimed to do?  (I doubt it)

They point to poor gain by the use of GH without some sort of catabolism
inhibitor as proof that stopping catabolism is what's important, not the
anabolic effect.

Art
From: ap72@linus.umd.edu (CMSC 330)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Shoulder *pop*
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:28:04 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

The other day I was doing tricep dips between benches.  I had 160 pounds on 
my lap.  I put out 5 easily but on the sixth one, when I was pushing back up,
both of my shoulders cracked big time.  And now I have trouble lifting my 
arms and shrugging my shoulders.  I'll probably take off a week or so, but
did this or anything like it ever happen to anybody else.  Also, does anyone
know a good treatment for it.

                                                          Thanks,
                                                            Hal
                                                        ap72@linus.umd.edu
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Gaining weight
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:41:43 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Anybody trying to gain weight should check out the book "Super Squats: How to gain 
30 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks", by R. Strossen, PhD, Ironman Enterprises.

The basic idea is like this:

- Work out 2 days/week
- Eat a high protein, high calorie diet
- Drink A LOT of milk every day (from 2 quarts to a gallon)
- Get plenty of rest/sleep

The workout:

- 1 set of 20 reps (deep) squats. Forced breathing between each rep.
- 1 set of 15-20 reps light pullovers to stretch the rib cage.
- 2 sets of bench press 
- 2 sets of bent rows

That's it! Add 5 lbs to the squat every workout. These squats are incredible
demanding. After the set you feel like puking/fainting. You actually breath
like a steam engine after you have completed 12-15 reps.

I tried this program for 5 weeks, and my bodyweight went from 215 - 230 lbs, my
squat from 300 lbs to 380 lbs (20 reps) and my thighs increased 2(!) inches.
I also made good gains on upper body strenght/size. All this in 5 weeks!
Obviously I didn`t get any leaner on this program, but I think it is superior 
for gaining weight/strength.

I tried a max squat right after the 5 week program, and I was actually stronger 
than before, even though I had only done 20 rep squats.

I did this experiment a year ago, and next week I'm going to try it again.
I`ll post to the group and tell you how I am doing on the program.

I would be glad to answer questions about this program.

- Jan
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cockrill@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jeremy Cockrill)
Subject: Re: One for the FAQ List
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:36:53 GMT

jon@stella.unx.sas.com (Jon Allen) writes:

>Would whoever's compiling the list of FAQs *PLEASE* put some kind of note in
>it emphasizing that the collective knowledge of misc.fitness does NOT equal
>that of an M.D., at least in certain key areas?
>I'm not one who elevates physicians to near-godlike status, but it just makes
>common sense to see one instead of asking the net when you notice a lump on
>your neck, wake up feeling numb on one side, etc.
>This stuff drives me CRAZY!
>-- 
>Jon Allen                                                        jon@unx.sas.com
>SAS Institute, Inc.                                or: ...!uunet!unx.sas.com!jo

Help!  I dropped a 600 pound barbell on my chest this morning and now I have
ribs and stuff poking through my skin.  The bleeding has stopped, but I'll
probably be sore tomorrow.  Should I wait a couple of days before I work out
my chest again?  Thanks.

Jeremy Cockrill
University of Oklahoma

p.s.  I'm also feeling numb on one side.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Seriously, Jon, I think (hope) that most people know the difference between
those ailments which one could expect to encounter (an occasional sore neck, 
for instance) and a major debilitating injury/illness/disease/etc.  The latter,
of course, should be reason to consult a doctor, but if everyone say their
physician for the former, the doctor's offices would be continually full.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Nelson)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Protein
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:14:16 GMT

grs02502@stat.appstate.edu writes:

>In article <92096.162049IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Cryan Jr.) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> In article <1992Apr3.165228.12825@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>> (Charles Nelson) says:
>>>
>>>The May issue of _Running Times_ has an article about the
>>>protein needs of runners (endurance athletes). I forget the
>>>details but I remember the author saying that runners
>>>need more protein than weightlifters. If I remember correctly
>>>weightlifters were said to need 1.75 ounces of protein per
>>>100 lbs. of bodyweight. And runners were said to need 2.5
>>>ounces of protein per 100 lbs. of bodyweight.
>> 
>> 
>> What is meant by 1.75/2.5 ounces of protein?  How does that translate
>> to grams?
>> 
>> Or am I just way out in left field.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Rob


>1 ounce = 28.35 grams

Thus the recommendation for endurance athletes is 70 grams of
protein per 100 lbs. of body weight per day. I found the 
article. The source for this information is William Evans, a
researcher at the USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging
at Tufts U. I dont't know this sounds like alot of protein to me.

The other figures included are 5% of energy comes from protein
in a 1 hour workout, but jumps to 10-15% during a workout of
more than 2 hours because glycogen stores are depleted. I don't 
know much about this. What do you think?

  
-- 
Carl Nelson                email: nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Ag Economics               voice: 217-333-1822
U of Illinois              fax:   217-333-5538
Urbana, IL 61801
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jwabik@uc.msc.edu (Jeff Wabik)
Subject: Re: Hot Stuff questions
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:18:17 GMT

In article <92100.134512IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Cryan Jr.) writes:
> 
> I have a some questions about the product (suppliment) Hot Stuff.  I do
> not take any suppliments other than a very light multi vitamin so my
> experience with the latest stuff is limited.

>      1.  Has anyone had good or bad results using it?
> 
>      2.  What is in it?
> 
>      3.  Does anyone have any Medical/Professional literature on it?
>          Or has any reputable source reviewed/tested it?

I just want to make a few general comments.. 

First, if anything seems "too good to be true", then it probably is.
"Hot Stuff" is just yet another end the almost endless string of
"miracle products" guaranteed to make a Lee Haney out of every 98lb
weakling..    

If you look at the label of Hot Stuff, you see that it is a hodgepodge
combination of nearly every "miracle growth" product you'll find on the
other pages of the magazine you're reading.  There are three points
I'll make regarding all this "stuff".  First, most of the products
(e.g.  Smilax) simply do not work.  (Smilax, for example, is a Plant
Sterol.  Are you a plant?  Then how do you expect a plant sterol to
work on you?)  Second, the verdict isn't completely in on what most of
these things will do (read:  Harm) to your body.  Third, who KNOWS what
these things will do when combined in your body.

I tried Hot Stuff when it first appeared.  It cost me $25 for a very
small quantity, and served only to make me VERY dizzy during my
workouts (it took me a few days to tie the dizziness to the product).
I discontinued use.  I can't comment on results, since it made me too
sick to continue.

The BEST results I have personally EVER seen are the direct result
of the following things.  You might try them:

	1)  Eat a well balanced low-fat diet. .With plenty of
	    vegetables, grains, and good whole proteins.

	2)  Train hard;  Train smart.  Understand HOW to train,
	    and then do it.

	3)  Get plenty of rest.

	4)  Stay away from drugs.  Both your body and your 
	    pocketbook will thank you.

There is no replacement for a good diet and hard training.


   -Jeff
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT! (calorie bloopers)
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:52:41 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>    calories 197
>    fat       1g
>    protein  26g
>    carbs    45g
> 
> NOT!
> 
>    from my calculations:
>    1 * 8 =    8 calories from fat
>    26 * 4 =  104 calories from protein
>    45 * 4 =  180 calories from carbs
>    -----------------------------------
>              292 total calories

	Well, they *might* be giving an accurate answer if a lot of
those "carbs" are just fiber. But thats kind of iffy.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: jpeach@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Advice for weight gaining
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:48:05 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <009587AF.96293FC0@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu>, icmgr081@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu writes:
> I am 5'10" tall and weigh only 115 lbs. Very low weight for my height, and I
> look very skinny too. Most of the time I don't feel like eating anything at
> all. Can you suggest some simple beginning exercises, which I can do at home to
> increase my appetite.
> 

One problem (in your case) with exercise is that it will reduce your appitite.
This will make it harder for your to gain weight.  There is two things that
you could due to increase your appitite.  The first thing it to eat several
meals a day, force yourself to.  The sensation of being hungry comes partial
from the emptying of your stomach contents into the duedium.  By eating these
small meals you will feel hungry more often thoughout the day.  You can also
stimulate your appitite by eating sugary foods.  Appitite in part is stimulated
by a falling blood sugar (dextrose) level.  So eat sugary foods.  Also make
sure you are eating properly also.

Let me know the results. 
 
 
///MiStEr pEaCh\\\
From: rc3v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert L. Ciminel)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Turro Juicer
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:48:46 GMT
Organization: Enviromental & Health Safety, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Hello.   Does anyone on the network use, or know anybody that uses the
Turro Juicer?  I have been checking out different juicers prior to
making a purchase.  Any info or recommendations as to specific products
would be appreciated.

bob.
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Apology (don't shout!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:30:31 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

To the person who posted in all caps (I lost your mail adress):
I didn`t mean to be rude or anything, but when you write in caps it looks
like you`re shouting.
Sorry!

- Jan
From: nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT! (calorie bloopers)
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:23:13 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:

>seen in World Gym (Seekonk) on a bottle of "slim shake" (same type of
>single serve bottle as Muscle Mass, only it's an add milk/water powder):

>   calories 197
>   fat       1g
>   protein  26g
>   carbs    45g

>NOT!

>   from my calculations:
>   1 * 8 =    8 calories from fat
>   26 * 4 =  104 calories from protein
>   45 * 4 =  180 calories from carbs
>   -----------------------------------
>             292 total calories

>Janice"read the label carefully"G

When a product label indicates the number of calories, they are
referring to the total carolies in a single serving.  By adding in fat,
protein and carbs again you are calculating a non-sense number.

The actual calories per serving in a bottle of "slim shake" is as
indicated on the product packaging.

Norm "know how to read the label first"
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: Re:how many calories
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:58:04 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Now see, this is just what I mean by saying that some people will never
understand:


grs0250@stat.appstate.edu(hope that's correct) said that diets don't work,
and that I should exercise to lose body fat....AAAAAAHH!!


I just wrote I exercised almost everyday..and lifted everyday-one hour
of intense exercise and one and a half hours of lifting.  Besides that,
I walk on the average of 10 miles a day just getting to work and back.
And my thyroid problem is being treated, so it is rarely a problem...maybe 
once a year it will shut down, and I'll know when it happens by all the 
usual symptoms.  Some people just cannot understand what it's like.


On the reverse side, I have been told through email that very thin people
have diet problems as well, people who have to eat a great overabundance
of food in hopes of maintaining a decent weight.  I can see where this would
be just as bad.  I wouldn't want to stuff my face with 5000 calories every
day.(And I couldn't afford it)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: brian@thor.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Organization: School of Chemical Sciences Univ. of Illinois, Urbana IL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:22:43 GMT

In article <17831@oasys.dt.navy.mil> harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) writes:
>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to increase your metabolism
>rate.  I jog (30 minutes) or bicycle (1 hour) everyday and in order
>to maintain my weight I have to eat next to nothing.  I know it is
>my metabolism.  The books that I have read say that if you exercise
>regular (which I do daily) that your metabolism will increase.  It
>doesn't work.  Any suggestions?
>
>I don't mind bicycling but sometimes an hour is hard to fit into my
>schedule and the weather isn't always condusive.  I hate jogging but at 
>least I can fit it in and I can jog when the weather is bad or cold.  I 
>would like to be able to do aerobics twice or three times a week and not 
>have to worry about gaining weight. I also feel like you get a better
>workout with aerobics. 

     How often do you jog or cycle in a week?  Right now, I use a Lifecycle
for 30 min Mon-Fri and run 30 min on Sat and Sun.  I also lift weights
Mon-Fri.  This may sound crazy, but maybe you should eat more.  It's hard
to tell without knowing you.  If you eat more, I think the body would be
willing to part with a few more of those fats if the body knows it is going
to be fed soon and well.
     I was able to raise my metabolism by eating well and often, lifting
weights, and doing aerobic exercise.  Before I did this, I ate a "normal"
diet and had excess fat.  Now I eat +4000 cal/day and I can't gain weight.

                                         Brian Ackerson
                                         brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: grs02502@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:56:48 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <17945@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) writes:
> In misc.fitness, brian@thor.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) writes:
>>
>>     How often do you jog or cycle in a week?  Right now, I use a Lifecycle
>>for 30 min Mon-Fri and run 30 min on Sat and Sun.  I also lift weights
>>Mon-Fri.  This may sound crazy, but maybe you should eat more.  It's hard
>>to tell without knowing you.  If you eat more, I think the body would be
>>willing to part with a few more of those fats if the body knows it is going
>>to be fed soon and well.
> 
> I jog or bicycle everyday 7 days a week.  I haven't tried lifting weights.
> 
> 
>>     I was able to raise my metabolism by eating well and often, lifting
>>weights, and doing aerobic exercise.  Before I did this, I ate a "normal"
>>diet and had excess fat.  Now I eat +4000 cal/day and I can't gain weight.
>>
> I can't even think about eating 4000 calories.  My usual day intake
> is 1 bagel for breakfast, Tossed salad or non-fat frozen yogurt for lunch
> and a light dinner.  I usually skip dinner 2-3 times a week and eat
> popcorn.  I am not overweight anymore but would like to go back to eating
> normally again.
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DEFINITELY not eating enough!!  Eat more and the difference will be AMAZING. 
Guarantee it.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Steroid effects
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:19:25 GMT

In article <12566@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>It's convenient to separate the drugs into two classes: those
>>effective orally, and those only effective by injection.
>>Testosterone and several synthetic derivatives are not effective
>>orally, because they are destroyed when the pass thru the liver
>>after being absorbed from the gut.  All orally effective androgens
>>have a 17-alpha-methyl substitution on the steroid nucleus.  This
>>prevents their destruction by the liver, but also imbues them
>>with the potential for liver toxicity.  More on that later.
>
>Sorry, Steve, I have to disagree here.  Some oral steroids are very effective.
>An example would be Anadrol.  Anadrol is the most potent oral steroid
>available.

Um, what exactly are you disagreeing with here?  It's not
clear to me.

>Some steroids will not aromatize.  Primobolan depot is one of them.  This drug
>will NEVER aromatize.  Deca-Durabolin normally does not aromatize, even under
>large doses.

Anavar, oxandrolone, can't aromatize, because it has an oxygen
atom in the A ring of the steroid.  Just looking at methenolone
(Primobolan) and nandrolone (Durabolin) doesn't convince me that
they can't, but experience is the real judge.

>>At recommended medical doses, and with medical supervision,
>>including intervention if side effects are experienced,
>>my educated guess is that these drugs are minimally harmful.
>>However, that's not at all how they have been used in
>>bodybuilding.
>
>Absolutely, but they also would not produce the effects that bodybuilders and
>powerlifters want.

They'd have some anabolic effects, just not so pronounced.
But they's be a lot safer.  The bodybuilding community is
(probably _was_ is a better verb these days) an enormous
uncontrolled human experiment, but one where the problems
from such steroid use goes unnoticed and mostly unreported,
except for the exceptional cases.  There's no way, for example,
to get a sense of the prevalence of subclinical liver damage,
raised cholesterol, etc., except restrospectively when someone
happens to be examined.  I think this kind of excessive use
is definitely unwise.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: bagdy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Bagdy)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:50:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: slim shake, NOT! (calorie bloopers)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

In misc.fitness, 

    SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:


    >   from my calculations:
    >   1 * 8 =    8 calories from fat

            ^
            Am I missing something, or isn't this supposed to be nine (9)??
From: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM (Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Protein
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:28:37 GMT
Reply-To: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: onondaga.east.sun.com

I thought the issue with protein was the quality and rate of assimilation(sp?).
I'm not a mega protein person, but I thought that the powder stuff is suppose
to be absorbed quicker. Maybe I just bought the hype!


Mark Conti			Email:  mark.conti@east.sun.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: schmidt@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (Eric Schmidt)
Subject: getting started
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:30:11 GMT

Sorry about the bolixed message yesterday.  The point I was trying to make is
that you should consult a physician just to get checked out.  Then, if everything
is in order, start out with a *very* slow pace.  Your goal should be 20-30
minutes of aerobic activity about 3 times a week.  An by aerobic activity, 60%
of you max HR is fine!! (Max HR = 220- Age).  Too many people come back too soon
after time off and just develop other problems...take your time, this should be
a lifestyle adaptation.
Most experts I am familiar with seem to recommend about 2-3 lbs/week of weight
loss via exercise & a balanced diet...good luck

Eric Schmidt
Internet:  schmidt@sunset.larc.nasa.gov