HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: howard@titan.hal.com (Howard Gayle)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Job paperwork stuff
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:36:04 GMT
Reply-To: howard@hal.com (Howard Gayle)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc., Campbell, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.hal.com
In-reply-to: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)

In article <1gv50iINNkio@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, wb8foz@skybridge (David Lesher) writes:
>Anyone else remember the posting from the fellow that said:
>	Race:  Mongrel
>on his security clearance forms?

This is almost certainly a reference to an on-line version of
the article below.  It's lots of fun and I highly recommend it.

Title	Can computers cope with human races
FullAuthor	Les Earnest
Journal	Communications of the ACM
Month	Feb
Year	1989
Pages	174-182
Volume	32
Number	2
--
Howard Gayle
HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
1315 Dell Avenue
Campbell, California 95008
USA
howard@hal.com
Phone: +1 408 379 7000 extension 1080
FAX  : +1 408 379 5022
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: Miracle at Radio Shack
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:42:50 GMT

John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> writes:

>I bought a $4 cable at my local Radio Shack yesterday and when I paid for it,
>they didn't ask for my name.  Will miracles never cease!  The sales slip
>didn't have someone else's name on it either.

 Well, consider yourself lucky. I recently returned a piece of
merchandise to a local Radio Shack. I refused to give my address, but
was told I couldn't return the thing without providing a name and
address. I said I didn't want to, as I was tired of getting junk mail
from them. Then the salesdroid said that the return inventory mail
list is separate from the junk mail list. So I foolishly relented,
being in something of a hurry.

 Guess what arrived in my mailbox last week?

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: Miracle at Radio Shack
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:22:04 GMT

In <neilg.724239770@sfu.ca> neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) writes:

>John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> writes:
>
>>I bought a $4 cable at my local Radio Shack yesterday and when I paid for it,
>>they didn't ask for my name.  Will miracles never cease!  The sales slip
>>didn't have someone else's name on it either.
>
>Well, consider yourself lucky. I recently returned a piece of
>merchandise to a local Radio Shack. I refused to give my address, but
>was told I couldn't return the thing without providing a name and
>address. I said I didn't want to, as I was tired of getting junk mail
>from them. Then the salesdroid said that the return inventory mail
>list is separate from the junk mail list. So I foolishly relented,
>being in something of a hurry.
>
>Guess what arrived in my mailbox last week?

Not to justify the policy, but most stores I know of ask for address
information when you make a return (even with receipt).

And another data point -- I made a cash purchase at a Radio Shack last
week, and when I didn't wat to give him my name or phone number, they
didn't hassle me at all.

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: cvadr009@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: SSN question:first three digits?
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:05:46 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadr009

I'm interested in discovering the meaning of the first three digits of social
security numbers, and the method of assignment of Social Security Numbers.
I understand that there is a table showing the relationship between the first
three digits and location (presumably birth or at date of number issue). I 
would like to find this table, and to know if there is any further information
encoded in the format of a Social Security Number. If anyone can direct me to
this information I would be most thankful. If anyone e-mails such a table to
me I would be even more thankful. -- Jason
---
Jason Aller aka TAFT -- Cal Poly won't admit I exist, and maybe they are right
Email: cvadr009@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu -- Credo Carpe Noctem! Snuggle 'til dawn
I'm the flap that tears in the night -- Me with apologies to Dark Wing Duck
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 18:07:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.152459.2352@mcc.com> breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark Breland) writes:
>In article <BzB5Jq.IFy@hatch.socal.com> richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg) writes:
>>...  The three biggest contributors
>>are my drivers license, the Serria Club, and the local tax collector.
>
>I'd venture to say that your local tax collector, being a government entity,
>is prohibited from *selling* your name and address to any mail distributor.

In Ohio, your drivers license is on the auction block.. You can purchase
a tape with drivers license info for a modest duplication fee. I was 
quite amazed that this was allowed. What prompted me to look into this
was that I received a birthday junk mail to Dary Sanders. The last
time I renewed my DL the name was mistyped and the G was replaced 
with a D and  thats the only place Dary Sanders was used.
I also noticed that on compuserve's PHONE QUEST that
they list my spouse as Dary.. 
-- 
Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: robert.heuman@rose.com (robert heuman)
Subject: drug dealers on the h
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:51:07 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-13-92 19:40
tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) writes

T(> >         Name one country where cocaine is legal.

Canada is one country.  You can by (over the counter) various 
analgesics with a small amount of codine in each pill, capsule, etc. 
Larger doses require a prescription.

Bob Heuman

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From: vanembur@romulus.rutgers.edu (Bill Van Emburg)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:57:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.privacy
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1gokcfINNqjl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:

> Others said:
> # American Express, to its credit, will honor your request if you ask
> # them not to sell your name.  
   ...
> American Express will NOT state in writing that they won't mail-bomb
> you. Their stock line is "we'll take you off the list" and that is all
> they seem to say.
   ...
> Because time after time, for almost 10 years, they gotta keep putting
> my name BACK on the list after about a year. Because I get MORE pitches
> for iron-oxide cards, sulpher dioxide cards, and so forth.

..just one more reason to cut the card up!  It really isn't worth the
high annual fee, anyway....


					-BVE
					(er..that's Bill Van Emburg)
					(vanembur@remus.rutgers.edu)
	"You do what you want, and if you didn't, you don't"
From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Distribution: na
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:41:24 PST
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA

In article <adams.724618269@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:
> 
> >Smart thing to do is have your mail
> >forwarded to a post office box in the new location. 
> >
> >But later you just close the po box, having revealed your actual new
> >address only to those of your choosing.
> 
> Not quite.  Anyone who wants to, can get the boxholder's street address
> from the Postmaster.
> 

What you need to do is set up the PO Box *before* you move, giving your
old address as the associated street address. This creates a circular
reference after you move that makes it quite difficult for junk mailers
to find you for a while. 

I've done this each time I've changed addresses over the last ten years.
It works wonderfully!

Norm.

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Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:43:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <1992Dec11.022744.29303@netcom.com>, lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
|> 

|> Does anyone out there have a clever method (that WORKS)?  If so, please
|> send your reply to me directly.

The one I heard about and have used effectively, is to use a different company
name (if possible), SMEGMA Engineering, Pubic Hair Salon, Goat Roasting Inc.
and that narrows down who get what list. You can further this by putting a
Dept STRAF(FARTS backwards) or Dept 1/92(Jan 92) to determine how old the
data they're using is...
	
These work for me.

-dewey
----
Dewey Coffman		ibmpa!vpdbox.austin.ibm.com!dewey%ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com
Consulting @ IBM			dewey@ctci.com
11400 Burnet Rd				All opinions are mine.
Austin, TX 78758-3493, USA		(512) 823-6463
===============================================================================
	"I do hope that you rot in Hell"   -The Christian JFH II
Don't Bag it. 1-800-453-SMOG, This letter is printed on 100% recycled electrons.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:50:12 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Distribution: na

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

>BTW, he also mails his magazine first-class.  It seems that the Post Office
>only grants magazine rates to companies willing to reveal their mailing
>lists on demand; once again, since death threats are fairly common to
>him and his contributors he refuses to run the risk of that list falling
>into the wrong hands.

Not true at all.  This claim is ludicrous on its face.  A magazine's
subscriber list is among its most valuable assets and is zealously 
protected.  You can see the names for typically $220 per 1k names.
The post office audits the contents of 2nd class mailed publications and may 
impose auditing restrictions on controlled circulation (free) pubs.  This is
because 2nd class is subsidized, for educational purposes, postage.
Publications that don't qualify for 2nd class because of too much
advertising, improperly controlled circulation or because the 
publication IS advertising is mailed 3rd class.  Third class requires 
only that the offering not be fraudulent, that you properly zipsort, 
that the size is correct, that you bundle properly and that your check for 
the postage not bounce.

John
-- 
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Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? 
Marietta, Ga                         | Send ur snail-mail address to 
jgd@dixie.com                        | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag
Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.
From: vanembur@romulus.rutgers.edu (Bill Van Emburg)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: drug dealers on the h
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:37:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec14.152246.11453@news.eng.convex.com> gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:

      (Someone else writes:)
> >T(> >         Name one country where cocaine is legal.	
> 				      ^^^^^^^
> 	Bolivia and Peru.  In both countries coca leaf tea (mate de coca) is 
> 	not only legal but considered a healthful drink.  It is made from 
> 	the same coca leaves that are used to make coca paste and contains 
> 	small amounts of cocaine.  By the way, both Dan Quayle and Pope Paul
> 	would have flunked piss tests after visiting Bolivia.  They both
> 	were offered and drank mate de coca while visiting.  
> 

While I *hate* to defend Dan Quayle on *anything*, we really should
try to be fair.  Perhaps this tea *does* contain trace amounts of
cocaine or the substances from which cocaine is derived.  But really,
can you equate this with snorting some fine white powder?  Do you
really think the effect is anywhere near as strong??

					-BVE
					(er..that's Bill Van Emburg)
					(vanembur@remus.rutgers.edu)
	"You do what you want, and if you didn't, you don't"
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From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:15:59 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Distribution: na
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said:
# American Express, to its credit, will honor your request if you ask
# them not to sell your name.  

I disagree.

American Express will NOT state in writing that they won't mail-bomb
you. Their stock line is "we'll take you off the list" and that is all
they seem to say.

Why's that, you may wonder?

Because time after time, for almost 10 years, they gotta keep putting
my name BACK on the list after about a year. Because I get MORE pitches
for iron-oxide cards, sulpher dioxide cards, and so forth.

Each time they do, I write to the chairman (need a new name - Robinson
just got fired) and some very glib person in Ft. Lauderdale writes
back. She claims that I am off the list, and then this last time, tried
to divert the issue by writing to DMA. She NEVER, but NEVER, states
that Amex is NOT sending me junk mail.

When I ask her who BUT AmEx might be solicting me, on AmEx stationary,
to spend money on AmEx offerings, her fingers seize. I can only
conclude she is well-tutored by the lawyers.

I rate AmEx as low as Dow Jones, and I sued them. Never got anywhere,
but it WAS funny tying up a 3 buttton attorney from the second largest
firm in town for many hours. I wonder what that cost the WSJ?

Maybe I should write to outside directors?

--
A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Organization: Hidden - I don't speak for them...
X-Stuff:      <This should be witty, but I'm too tired right now.>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:02:14 EST
From: David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Monitoring
 <1992Dec14.023013.8506@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> <1992Dec16.014547.7325@panix.com>

Would it be possible to claim copyright/trademark on your conversations?
On netnews articles?
On e-mail?

On my signature?  (to prevent UPS from duplicating it?)

How about my likeness?  I know the family/estate of Malcom X is pursuing
something along these lines.


   - David B. Horvath, CDP (copyright 1992, David B. Horvath, CDP)  :-)
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From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <1992Dec20.180747.1231@n8emr.cmhnet.org>, gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary
Sanders) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.152459.2352@mcc.com> breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark
Breland) writes:
> >In article <BzB5Jq.IFy@hatch.socal.com> richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich
Greenberg) writes:
> >>...  The three biggest contributors
> >>are my drivers license, the Serria Club, and the local tax collector.
> >
> >I'd venture to say that your local tax collector, being a government entity,
> >is prohibited from *selling* your name and address to any mail distributor.
> 
> In Ohio, your drivers license is on the auction block.. You can purchase
> a tape with drivers license info for a modest duplication fee. I was 
> quite amazed that this was allowed. What prompted me to look into this
> was that I received a birthday junk mail to Dary Sanders. The last
> time I renewed my DL the name was mistyped and the G was replaced 
> with a D and  thats the only place Dary Sanders was used.
> I also noticed that on compuserve's PHONE QUEST that
> they list my spouse as Dary.. 
> -- 
> Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
> N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
> HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)

Actually, this is something I often do on purpose when providing my name and/or
address to someone who I feel is likely to "pass me around."  My name is funny
enough (Thomas Loughin, pronounced "Logan") that I can give all sorts of 
spellings and variations, including my first name (Tom, Thom, Tommy,...).

This practice has proved entertaining, since one of the permutations somehow
ended up on a rather "interesting" mailing list (if you're into that sort of
thing ;-}).

Does anyone else do this, or have a trick they like to use?

-Tom (Tommy, Thomm, Tomas, Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: Miracle at Radio Shack
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:37:07 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <neilg.724239770@sfu.ca> neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) writes:

>John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> writes:

>>I bought a $4 cable at my local Radio Shack yesterday and when I paid for it,
>>they didn't ask for my name.  Will miracles never cease!  The sales slip
>>didn't have someone else's name on it either.

> Well, consider yourself lucky. I recently returned a piece of
>merchandise to a local Radio Shack. I refused to give my address, but
>was told I couldn't return the thing without providing a name and
>address. I said I didn't want to, as I was tired of getting junk mail
>from them. Then the salesdroid said that the return inventory mail
>list is separate from the junk mail list. So I foolishly relented,
>being in something of a hurry.

I used to try to fight this, but nowadays I have mostly given up, at 
least in those places where the person on the other side of the 
counter has no power to change things.  I just keep lots of fake
numbers and addresses handy.  Remember back when movies still had
dialable telephone numbers?  

In Barefoot in the Park, the number was Gramercy 5, 9971.  So to this
day New York Telephone does not dare give anyone the number 
212-475-9971.  You can give it out secure in the knowledge you are
not giving out anyone's real number.

Ralph Kramden lived at 328 Chauncy Street in Brooklyn.  'nuff said?


Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY  10112-0228
voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
From: breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark Breland)
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Organization: MCC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:24:59 GMT

In article <BzB5Jq.IFy@hatch.socal.com> richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg) writes:
>...  The three biggest contributors
>are my drivers license, the Serria Club, and the local tax collector.

I'd venture to say that your local tax collector, being a government entity,
is prohibited from *selling* your name and address to any mail distributor.
Rather, that information is considered open for public access.  Some
organizations make it a business to keep track of new entries (like when
you buy a house), and repackage it for sale to the junksters.  Anybody
can go down to the county records depository and peruse to their heart's
content.  It's amazing what you can find out about people's business 
(real estate, taxes) and personal (marriage, children, civil case) lives
through a simple search by name.  Imagine the horrors possible with a SSN.

Just my $0.02.

Mark A. Breland - Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation (MCC)
Ada Fault Tolerance                               | voice:    (512) 338-3509
3500 West Balcones Center Drive                   | FAX:      (512) 338-3900
Austin, Texas 78759-6509   USA                    | internet: breland@mcc.com
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: drug dealers on the high seas (was Risks of Using PGP 2.0)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:38:02 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Err, how do YOU know where the ship was going? Just because it was
pointed at Europe does not mean its DESTINATION was there. Even if it
stops in a European port for refueling, are not the goods considered
"in transit" and under customs seal or such?

Many things are illegal in one domain, yet legal in others. I seem to
recall some canned veggies are verbotten in Pennsylvania. My
grandmother talked about going across the border to buy them....

To make this more topical ;-}, what about a ship LOADED to the
gills with PGP software?

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A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433