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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1ikp08$7ag@agate.berkeley.edu>, carrie@plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller) writes...
>I noticed that most of the postings regarding
>DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who are
>STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
>a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.  

Well, it isn't as good as the original.  Seeing Troi get taken over by some
alien presence every other week gets boring.  I liked Deep Space Hawk alot,
even though the linear time discussion was unnecessary.

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Subject: Space Ranger Review.....
From: kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:11:01 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

There aren't any real big spoilers here, so I owuldn't worry.


Okay, I didn't like the show because the characters were dramatically
stereotyped and 2D.  It moved very quickly for a mere one hour show, and some
of the dialogue was enough to choke on.  Also, it had some of the cheeziest 
special effects I've seen lately.

Although, Linda Hunt did a pretty good job with what she was given.

I give the show 5 weeks, tops.



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From: noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White)
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Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 10 Jan 1993 17:40:23 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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In <1iq1svINNt7j@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:

>In <1993Jan10.182104.27788@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>[other things deleted]

>The fact that most aliens are just people with bumps and all speak English
>is sufficient proof that the science is just a thin veneer to legitimize
>their stuffed-shirt scripts. The Bejorans have got to be the worst.
>Supposedly they have their own (10,000 year old?) religion. Hmmm, odd that
>the Major refers to the stations as a God-forsaken post. Woops, forgot
>about that eh? You'd think at least the Major would have been conferring
>with her superiors in Bejoran or Cardassian. Nope, for the convenience

  Yea at least the Star Trek movies use a "Klingon" language! 








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From: tak@hitl.washington.edu (Tak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: Newbie Question: Why do they Leap when they Leap?
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:29:29
Organization: Mudders Anonymous
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summary: What's the origin of Quantum Leap & why do they leap after 
         a "good deed"?


Full-text: 

	I've recently tuned into Quantum Leap and have a few questions
that may be able to be cleared up by those of you who've seen the
earlier seasons. 
	It seems that the <insert name of main guy here> was experimenting
with time travel and got something wrong (probably a parity error *grin*)
and jumps into different bodies each show. In each show he has to correct
something before he can jump out again.  WHY?  Did he make some 
time-paradox blunder on his first jump and now he has to repair all the
misc time threads he screwed up from stepping on that one butterfly? 
(special kudos to anyone who can identify that reference) Or is it
just a clever plot device that allows them to perform some good deed
each show?

	Confused and Befuddled = Confuzzled

		Tak


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From: gharlane@nextnet.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore)
Subject: jking@nmt.edu screwup (was: Re: Space Ranger Review)
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Summary: out to lunch
Keywords: wavelength, frequency, speed of light
Organization: Evil Beings From Planet Eddore, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:38:27 GMT

"Admiral JC" took it upon himself to remark:

> From: jking@nmt.edu ('Admiral JC')
> Subject: Re: Space Ranger Review
> Organization: New Mexico Tech
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:47:05 GMT
> 
>  And remember, in Star Trek, Frequency is measured in CENTIMETERS! :-)
>  (Just to point out that Star Trek is just as susceptible to stupid
>  technical gaffes...)

  ....almost as stupid as the attitude of someone so lacking in 
  technical background that he's unaware of the fact that 
  frequency is ofen expressed in terms of wavelength.
  For those of you who attend places like "New Mexico Tech," 
  which is obviously some kind of mis-named Liberal Arts school:

    Wavelength and frequency are inversely related, and the
  relationship constant is the speed of propagation of the 
  wave through the medium.  
 
    For example, a ten-centimeter electromagnetic wave in vacuum 
  occurs at a frequency of three thousand megacycles per second,
  3000 MHZ, or 3 gigaHertz.  (a.k.a. "3 GHZ" in modern abbreviation.)
 
    For high frequencies, it is often far more convenient to express
  an E-M wave description in terms of wavelength, and this is done by
  electrical engineers, physicists, and ham radio operators.
  Both Mike Okuda and Rick Sternbach, the TNG technical advisors, are 
  aware of this, and it has been used correctly in many scripts.

    If you want to go after TNG for "technical gaffes," go after 
  them for temperatures *below* absolute zero, or for the incredible
  ineptitude of the actors and director who couldn't differentiate
  between the words "asymptotic" and "asymptomatic" because they
  didn't know what "asymptotic" meant. 
 
    But don't whack on them for one of the few things they usually
  get right! 
 
    Sheesh.

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From: carrie@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To Max? (Was "Re: SF on TV")
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:05:25 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Space Sciences Laboratory
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Isn't he on "Shaky Ground" (typical family sit-com on FOX)?
And he had a show called "Doctor Doctor" a few years back which
I really liked but which was short-lived.
From: shong@bucknell.edu (SHER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: WANTED: V
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:17:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
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Does anyone know of where I could get the '83 miniseries/TV movie "V"?  I
have the book but I want the miniseries/movie.  I would gladly pay for
blank tapes and shipping costs!  Thanks in advance!
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:37:23 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan11.151458.15600@stortek.com>, schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher) writes:
> In article 14@microm.UUCP, kevin@microm.UUCP (Kevin Price) writes:
>>And the babe pilot: Knowing her crew as well as she must, would she be 
>>comfortable flying the ship in such a vulnarable position?
>>I think not!
> 
> Perhaps, knowing her crew as well as she must, she knows that they will
> treat her as a crewmate and a pilot, and not as a "babe".  Perhaps in the
> future of Space Rangers, not everyone engages in sexist behavior.
> 	Kurt

Sure they do. As appropriate, when appropriate. Otherwise, business as usual.
(sexism is inherent in all inter-personal relations, of whatever type)

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
From: Jason_Mulligan@camelot.apana.org.au (Jason Mulligan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Test
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:20:31 EST
Organization: The TOWER BBS



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From: carrie@plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:42:48 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Space Sciences Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu

Yes, I enjoyed DS9.
I thought the show did an excellent job of developing
several very complex characters, though  many of you appear to feel
that they are all rip-offs of someone-or-another.

I noticed that most of the postings regarding
DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who are
STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Budget cuts..
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:00:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Yes, Roberta, there are budget cuts.....
-- 
Ted....
From: saverio@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Saverio Mercurio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Highlander:Free Fall (Tape Request)
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:23:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

I missed this week's run of Highlander because the local station which shows
it changed its time slot, and I was still taping at the old time slot.  So,
I taped Star Trek instead of Highlander.  Good episode of Trek, but that's
beside the point.  If somebody out there still had this on tape, I would really
appreciate it if I could borrow the tape to view it.  I will gladly pay 
shipping.  The episode they were showing was "Free Fall."  
Please contact me at my e-mail address.  Thanks...

	-Saverio

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From: jking@nmt.edu ('Admiral JC')
Subject: Re: Space Ranger Review
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:47:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.174808.23802@news.acns.nwu.edu> glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:

>poster said over DSN for one major reason: I am SICK and TIRED of "But,
>startrek says this", "But star trek says that..."  Science fiction is about
>the future and so many of us fans are locked in the past. Warp technology
>is no more realistic then Slingships, Starfleet Command is
>no more a reality than Fort Hope. 
>

  And remember, in Star Trek, Frequency is measured in CENTIMETERS! :-)
   (Just to point out that Star Trek is just as susceptible to stupid
technical gaffes...)

>It was dumb, it was trite but it wasnt overbearing, pompus or inane with
>the cosmic signifance of a universe of a 1/4 billion god like beings
>who dont understand linear time, humanities past crimes or humanities
>nature to be free and not controlled by cabbage-headed aliens from a "goal"
>oriented planet. [No offense to TOS viewers out there]
>
>Id be real happy if I never heard the words; Phaser, Warp, Klingon,
>Dilithium or Mind Meld again for a very, very long time. Im rather
>trekked out by 6 years of shameless merchandising. With paramount
>running from station to station followed by its screaming trek-a-maniacs
>[not to be confused with normal average Trekkors] saying anything
>non trek "will be assimulated" {and with the infinite upcoming
>crossovers,shared production staff and props.
>DSN is starting to look like inbreeding}
>
>Space is not all talk, 200 years is not going to exterminate hammer and
>nail usage thru the galaxy, sometimes people dont have 1.4 million to waste
>of FX and enjoy story telling.
>
>I hope it makes it, I hope it does well and Kennner brings out a whole line
>of Slingships and Rangers. I really hope that they get a competent Science
>writer\advisor whos brain hasnt been exposed to "so much UV" [That was the
>major down point for last nights episode]
>
>Finally a little fresh air in an otherwise stale room! 
> 
>and BTW I liked Max Headroom, Mann And Machine [Before the writers screwed
>it up] and I liked the A-TEAM! 

    I agree completely!  Television Sci-Fi has been reduced to the Star Trek
coin... if it isn't Star Trek, it isn't good.  I've heard it over and over
again...  people don't realize that there is more to Sci-Fi than Star Trek
and that there are more Special Effects companies besides ILM!

   Don't get me wrong... I like Star Trek... but its time for it to go away
for a while...

    BTW, the DSN premier sucked ...  even worse than the original ST:TNG
premier...  I have a warm feeling that Star Trek will be fading away soon
now...
    (I still want re-runs of course... but I want to see NEW STUFF...)
        _
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: DS9: Dax
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:05:20 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <ternent.21@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:
>
>Me too! I guess since I am neither a physics student nor a chemist, any 
>inaccuracies don't really bother me!  I think a lot of people have forgotten 
>the original premise of reading any kind of fiction... a "willing suspension 
>of disbelief."  Accept what they say is "real" in their world as being real 
>and stop comparing it to what you think is "real" in this world, or you'll 
>never enjoy the show!

Really, if you want to whine about technical inconsistencies either with
real science or just their own internal version of science, go to rec.arts.
startrek.tech.  Those people would be happy to care.  Personally, I don't
care about minor inconsistencies.  And I find any major ones simply amusing,
not insulting.

>
>By the way, (since I haven't run across this question yet) is Lt. Dax the 
>same Crewman Dax from ST6?  The old Dax in the flashback looked a little 
>like the guy with the webbed feet that Chekov thinks owns the magnetic boots.
>

Highly doubtful.  I would thing that Dax would have given up if it had taken
her/him/it that many (75+) years to reach Lt.

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From: caliban@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Space Rangers
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:40:09 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

It's been over 24 hours since I had the misfortune to watch
the premiere of "Space Rangers."  What can I say?  I had to
flush the cassette down the toilet and wash my hands twice . . . 

I'm afraid I found the show essentially without redeeming
features.  The first thing which struck me was the fact that
everyone in the episode was White, including the robot and the
aliens.  (Does anyone remember the scene, in Ben Bova's novel
_Kinsman_, in which the first Black astronaut grumbles about
flesh tone Band-Aids [TM]?)  (And, yes, I know there was a token
nonwhite character; he was a cliche-style martial artist with
mystic powers.  Big deal -- I couldn't even tell if he was supposed
to be an alien or an oriental human.)


I was also struck by the lack of originality in the plot.  
Smuggling a drug?  Smuggling a drug _which is a white powder_!
For the love of Ghu, why couldn't they invent an original vice,
or at least use, say, wireheading or dreamgames or holosex?

I was also disappointed that the "heroes" of this farce turned
out to be Luddite technophobes, preaching against the evils of
artificial intelligence, as well as losing their tempers like
a bunch of insecure twits at every opportunity -- it seemed like
half the dialogue consisted of bickering and sneering and ranting,
none of it very interesting or appealing.

I won't even mention the lack of characterization, background, or
scientific accuracy in the episode.  (Bonus question for those
scoring at home: which galaxy was the villain from, and why did
he bother to come all the way here, and who cares?)  Nor the lack
of intelligence on the part of the Rangers who discussed confidential
information in the elevator of the villain's headquarters -- I guess
the only appropriate adversary for lawmen this dumb is a criminal
too stupid to monitor the conversation of intruders _whom he knows
are in his hideout_.

Altogther an all-too-stupid show, to which I have devoted far too
much time.

P. S.:  Fans and enemies of "Space Rangers": would you like to join
me on a "Space Rangers Deathwatch"?  An autographed copy of _Wild Cards_
for the first person to correctly predict the date of the show's 
cancellation!  Send replies to caliban@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: QL and Space Rangers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:02:14 GMT

I just saw a commercial for CBS Space Rangers sf new show,
and I'm pretty sure the token female in the group is played
by the actress who was Edie in Ql's "One Strobe Over the Line".

I really liekd her on QL, and that alone is reason enough for me 
to check out this new show.  Does anyone else know if she's been
in anything else recently?  Anyone hear anythign interesting 
about this SPace Rangers program?  I rememebr a blurb in the new
TV guide, but that was just press release stuff.  Anyone seen
a preview or promo?


LJC
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From: egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Babylon 5:  Brief Description wanted
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:55:37 GMT
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Could someone mail me a brief description (and start date) for this show...


thanx..
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Subject: <None>
From: kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:44:17 -0600
 <ROTEN.92Dec30133356@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1993Jan2.082456.17800@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Organization: Mankato State University


Give the channel a chance.  It's only been on for four months.  I'm sure they'd
probably add/remove a show given the customer demand for it, or depending on
how the ratings do?

The only thing that I can't stand are those stupid FTL segments...


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From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:04:09 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
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In article <yTiZwB3w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>  I rather wished 
>they wouldn't have canned the android quite so quickly
I agree.  The only interesting character...

I thought the actor captured the mannerisms from RoboCop quite well.
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From: zatar@dadstoy.gbdata.com (Terry Stockdale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Ranger Review.....
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:28:07 -0600
Organization: Lots of little files on drive D:

In <torresce.726417482@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto) writes:
>kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>>Okay, I didn't like the show because the characters were dramatically
>>stereotyped and 2D.  It moved very quickly for a mere one hour show, and some
>>of the dialogue was enough to choke on.  Also, it had some of the cheeziest 
>>special effects I've seen lately.
>
>>Although, Linda Hunt did a pretty good job with what she was given.
>
>>I give the show 5 weeks, tops.
>
>
>I hardly thing it will only take 5 weeks.  This show is better than Mann & 
>Machine yet that lasted a bit.  I think this show has potential for
>getting better.  Perhaps as everything settles in, things will be okay.
>...Funny, out of all the characters, I liked the alien emotional reader thing 
>the best (reminded me of the indian guy in Predator).  I'll watch for a little
>bit and give it a chance - after all, there's nothing better on at that time.
>:)
>	Mystic

Come on, guys and gals.  The show was fun.  Naturally since we liked it,
it will probably die a quick death.  Yes, I liked Mann and Machine, too.
DSN, on the other hand, was a disappointment -- kind of reminded me of 
the metaphysical junk in StarTrek V -- which my whole family roundly
detested.

Note:  We've only watched Space Rangers twice so far this week, so I'm
still subject to revision on opinion.  The main thing applies here as in
any fantasy -- to enjoy it, you immediately disengage your sense of 
disbelief.

To the comments about poor science, if I want hard science in my sf, I'll 
pull out one of my Hal Clement books.  If I want classy science fiction, 
I'll pull out one of my Astoundings or Analogs from the 50s or 60s.  If 
I want science and people mixed, I'll pull out a 70s, 80s, or 90s Analog
magazine.  Or a Bujold book.  If I want to allow someone else to 
visualize FOR ME, I'll watch TV.  BUT, in all of these, you must suspend
your sense of disbelief.

-- 
__
"Even if you're on the right track, 
you'll get run over if you don't move."  --Will Rogers.

terry@dadstoy.gbdata.com	Terry Stockdale		Houston, Texas
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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:19:45 GMT

what are ya afraid of criticism or something?  some of us just demand quality
sf, not puerile juvenile space opera.  i mean, why are there no real sf writers
on these ST shows?  why don't they spend some of those millions of dollars on
some decent writers?  i hear that BABYLON 5 has harlan ellison as script
editor, and william gibson among others as writers.  now, theres a concept,
using SF writers  to write SF tv!  hello star trek, hello!?!?
and no, i'm not comparing STNG to the old one.  just judging it on it's own
merits, which is quite unfair to it, i know....
                                               ggreg
In article <1ikp08$7ag@agate.berkeley.edu>
carrie@plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller) writes:
 
>
>Yes, I enjoyed DS9.
>I thought the show did an excellent job of developing
>several very complex characters, though  many of you appear to feel
>that they are all rip-offs of someone-or-another.
>
>I noticed that most of the postings regarding
>DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who are
>STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
>a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.
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