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From: kumma@cc.tut.fi (Kumpulainen Sami)
Subject: Placidian Table of Houses needed
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:12:14 GMT


    I have a little problem and I hope somebody out there could help me. 
I would like to see how the Placidian system works for me and my friends, but
the problem is that I happen to live in Finland and was born here, too, and I
have not managed to find a completely calculated Placidian table for the
latitudes needed (60-66N).
    I've learnt that the tables provided by Neil Michelsen in The American   
Ephemeris, Astro Computing Services would be accurate and complete, but I am
afraid they don't cover the northern latitudes I'm looking for, or do they?
    So if anybody knows any Placidian tables of above mentioned accuracy that 
include the latitudes 60N to 66N please let me know. I will need detailed
information about the publishers' addresses etc. to eventually get the copy,
if any can be found. (I don't know how to contact Astro Computin Services, for
example.)
    Thank you for your patience.
Sami Kumpulainen <kumma@cc.tut.fi>
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Troubled Times!
Keywords: Denebola Mundane astrology
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:16:06 GMT

praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:

>It just goes to show that we are not rational
>and very unscientific in our reasoning and attributation of causes.  As for
>the application to astrology.  You all know my beliefs.

Then why do you consistently feel the need to repeat them?

Michael
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From: s0jrej@exnet.co.uk (James Ellis-Jones)
Subject: Troubled Times!
Keywords: Denebola Mundane astrology
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:58:35 GMT

I've been hearing a lot of news from friends about various catastrophes
they've been having.  I myself have managed to run a good friend's car into
the back of a bus and have landed myself with a considerable bill.  Of
course when this happens to an astrologer s/he suspects something is afoot.

Paging through my ephemeris revealed only a moderately interesting Mars
Jupiter square.  A little theory of mine is that these planets in hard aspect
are strongly connected with explosions and more generally with other disasters
involving some kind of release - Mars the principle of energy unfortunately
combined with Jupiter the principle of expansion.  A crash seems a little
inappropriate for this though ...

However when you look at it more closely, the two planets are in Gemini and
Virgo, both ruled by Mercury - which also rules cars and journeys.  And also,
when the aspect perfects (which is next Thursday 27th), Jupiter is in the
degree of the fixed star Denebola (for those of you not familiar with the
use of fixed stars - i.e. those things in the sky which aren't planets! - they
are given influence only in the degree of the zodiac they are found, which is
to all intents and purposes always the same degree).  Describing Denebola in
'Fixed Stars and their Interpretation', the author R Ebertin says

> ... it is supposed that ... major catastrophes are triggered off by it

The square is at about 20 deg 30 min of Virgo/Gemini, so if this triggers
anything in your chart, watch out! ...Any good anecdotes appreciated

- James E-J
'As above so below'


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Subject: Re: Broken cars, retrogrades, and psychic ability (?)
Organization: AUS
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:08:01 GMT

In article <BtKG42.CAG@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug25.195547.18103@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:
> >In article <BtIADC.Enz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>   Well apparently my post was riddled with logical phalicies. 

Is this related to things phallic? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Try fallacies.
Freud would have a field day with this one. :-)

 Unfortunately
> the poster was unable to point any of them out.
> >I'm sure what I'm about to write has appeared here before. But I have to ask -
> >what would provoke a person who clearly disdains astrology to read this
> >newsgroup? I honestly cannot comprehend it.
>   Oh sure it has.  I ran into it about 9 months ago for the first time.  I
> have given up trying to convince anyone here but every now and then I do
> like to give them a frame of referece when they seem to take themselves a
> bit too seriously.

Frankly, I think you're out to lunch. For people who study and practice astrology
on a level deeper than the superficial, OF COURSE IT'S SERIOUS. And you are certainly
not the one to decide when an astrologer is taking themselves too seriously.

>   Now the comment about newspaper astology is quite relevant.  According to
> all the bantering than has gone back and forth you "scientific" astroloers

Where does this come from? I certainly would never say that astrology is a science
(not in the way that you mean it). Astrology is an art. So is mathematics. 

> look upon the newspapers with disdain and yet will not provide one ounce of
> evidence as to why they are wrong.  As far as I can see both groups have
> freverent followers but neither have any convincing evidence for their art.
>   - Eric 
> 
>
Are you looking for evidence or explanation? If you're looking for an explanation,
it's been posted here before. Serious astrologers don't care for newspaper astrology
because it's too general. And it's too general because a chart is cast for the individual,
dependent on time of birth, place of birth, and date of birth.

Just like people live their lives on different levels, astrologers practice astrology
in the same way. My preference is for the astrology that reveals one's psyche, that
reveals the Self in a rich, symbolic, mythical language that speaks deeper than
any logic can or ever will.
              
I find it kind of twisted that you seem to get your kicks from ridiculing those of us
who use astrology to face truths about ourselves, to make the effort to live our lives
as authentically as possible.

Stacey


 
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: A3 Colour natal charts
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:11:34 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

Hi,

I'm seriously considering writing a AstroLog-to-HPGL (Hewlett Packard
Graphics Language) to be able to plot A3 colour natal charts. This
will (should?) be able to take the positions output from AstroLog and 
produce an HPGL plot file which can then be directed to an HPGL 
compatible plotter.

I'd be everso grateful for any pointers, hints, ideas, existing source-code, 
etc, etc.....?

Thanks in advance..

Kev 
e-mail kap@eng.cam.ac.uk
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: rime...nanet..
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:39:21 EST
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

 Yo ! Maggie,
             Something is wrong with your new address,
             so I'm sending this public.

->   The following errors occurred during message delivery processing:
 <smtp nyx.cs.du.edu mmphers@nyx.cs.du.edu 88>: 550
 <mmphers@nyx.cs.du.edu>.. user unknown

MM> The mail you accidentally killed was from my room-mate. Please do
MM> send us more info! I just acquired this account, but I believe my
MM> e-mail address is mmphers@nyx.cs.du.edu.

   Hi,
       Through CRS (Canada Remote Systems) I have access to  a few
       networks. One of these is RIME , which stands for (I believe)
       Relaynet International Message Exchange. It began in the U.S. but
       is now all over the world, especially Canada, Australia, Spain,
       Denmark, etc. I follow the astrology conference on RIME.

       Another network is Nanet - North American Network (NorthAmeriNet
       in the U.S.). This is based in Toronto, originated by CRS. It is
       widely available in Canada and also in the U.S. Eventually
       overseas. I recently requested a new Astrology confernce be
       added. I'll know around September 8th, and if it happens I'll be
       moderating.

       These two networks should be available on some local free BBS
       boards near you. Please join us if possible. The message style of
       these two networks is quite different than Usenet, and each
       other. Let me know how you make out.
                                                   Jim
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: that Astrolog thang
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:09:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

Sorry for asking, BUT I recalled seeing a program here called Astrolog
or something like that, and I thought I could pick it up by ftp from
somewhere for my boyfriend's mom (she's an astrologer).

If anyone could e-mail me and tell me where I can get it from an ftp
site, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Janis C.

Janis Cortese           ||  Pienso con sueno parecido no volvera mas,  
U. C. Irvine            ||  Y me pintaba las manos y la cara azul.  
cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu ||  Y de promiso el viento rapido me llevo,  
========================||  Y me echa volar en el cielo infinito! 
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From: long@next1.acme.ucf.edu (Richard Long)
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:21:33 GMT

In article <3SEP199217201517@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch  
(CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.142519.21745@cs.ucf.edu>, long@next1.acme.ucf.edu  
(Richard Long) writes...
> >When did communism collapse, exactly?
> 
> Last I checked, it was still alive and well in China, Cuba and North  
Korea. ;)
>      ^^   smiley inserted
It is clear from my text that I meant collapse of communism in the USSR  
(taking the USSR with it).    

--
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Institute for Simulation and Training
University of Central Florida
12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
(407)658-5026, FAX: (407)658-5059
long@acme.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Saturn
Summary: hard learning
Keywords: Saturn
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:08:36 GMT


Saturn is going on station as many of you know next month and that means 
some serious kaniptions for most of us who have it in sensitive connections
and strenght to those who don't.  I have it in the first house forever and 
just beyond some serious transits last year, mostly in the 7th house.  For 
those who are being scrunitized by Saturn and are suffering the "why me"
lament I offer a wealth of experienced as well as professional info on the
meaning of the Saturn effect on the sun, moon, mercury, venus and mars 
either natal or by transit.  A trade it is, you get understanding and I get
understanding.  

For you debaters (I hope I don't regret this) try learn from each other 
rather than throw snowballs at a brick wall.  Arm in arm is better than
up in arms.  Integrate more neptune into your mars and venus and leave
uranus and pluto alone with saturn for awhile while jupiter takes mercury
into the 9th house for some higher comtemplation.
From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Astro Twin Wanted
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:22:57 GMT
Organization: BT Laboratories


The woman who has been struggling to teach me is looking for an astrological
twin. If there is anyone out there who fits the bill email me and I'll sort out
the details. There is no way that she is likely to have any form of net, or email
access, so communication would have to be via snail/pony express.

	11 June 1952 @ 00:24 GMT 00E11, 51N35

Astrolog (2.20) chart for 11 June 1952 0:24 (+0:00 GMT)   0'11E 51'35N
Body  Locat. Ret. Decl. Rul.      House  Rul. Veloc.    Placidus Houses.

Sun : 20Gem01   +00 00' (-) [ 3rd house] [-] +0.956  -  House cusp  1: 19Pis11
Moon: 28Cap43   +02 08' (F) [11th house] [-] ______  -  House cusp  2: 11Tau17
Merc: 22Gem24   +01 07' (R) [ 3rd house] [R] +2.193  -  House cusp  3: 07Gem14
Venu: 16Gem13   +00 08' (-) [ 3rd house] [-] +1.228  -  House cusp  4: 25Gem51
Mars: 01Sco08   +00 55' (R) [ 7th house] [F] +0.012  -  House cusp  5: 13Can40
Jupi: 09Tau49   +01 03' (-) [ 1st house] [-] +0.210  -  House cusp  6: 06Leo14
Satu: 08Lib11   +02 33' (e) [ 7th house] [e] +0.001  -  House cusp  7: 19Vir11
Uran: 12Can42   +00 22' (-) [ 4th house] [-] +0.057  -  House cusp  8: 11Sco17
Nept: 19Lib02 R +01 41' (-) [ 7th house] [-] -0.010  -  House cusp  9: 07Sag14
Plut: 19Leo28   +08 58' (-) [ 6th house] [e] +0.018  -  House cusp 10: 25Sag51
Chir: 10Cap33 R +07 04' ( ) [10th house] [ ] -0.058  -  House cusp 11: 13Cap40
Cere: 15Tau30   +06 09' ( ) [ 2nd house] [ ] +0.378  -  House cusp 12: 06Aqu14
Pall: 03Ari41   +05 10' ( ) [ 1st house] [ ] +0.199
Juno: 25Aqu05   +11 54' ( ) [12th house] [ ] +0.078     Car Fix Mut TOT   +: 7
Vest: 11Vir23   +07 23' ( ) [ 6th house] [ ] +0.331  Fir  0   1   1   2   -: 5
Node: 24Aqu53 R +00 00' ( ) [12th house] [ ] ______  Ear  1   1   0   2   M: 5
Fort: 27Lib52   +00 00' ( ) [ 7th house] [ ] ______  Air  2   0   3   5   N: 7
Midh: 25Sag51   +00 00' ( ) [10th house] [ ] ______  Wat  1   1   1   3   A: 7
Asce: 19Pis11   +00 00' ( ) [ 1st house] [ ] ______  TOT  4   3   5  12   D: 5
Vert: 26Vir20   +00 00' ( ) [ 7th house] [ ] ______

Thanks

Andy Gray
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Subject: Re: Troubled Times
Organization: AUS
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:15:14 GMT

In article <26AUG199211084891@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, if I could interject a skeptical yet hopefully constructive note,
> everyone talking about retrograde Mercury makes me wonder if a fairly straight-
> forward test of astrology could be done: do plane/car/train/boat accidents
> *really* happen more frequently when Mercury is retrograde?
> 
> I suppose the class of phenomena could be expanded to include delayed or
> cancelled flights, returned mail, wrong numbers in long distance calls,
> computer crashes, etc.  Records of all these things must be kept track of
> somewhere...
> 
> 
> Dave Casper
> CERN - Geneva
> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch
> 
> 
> 
I'm not sure I think more accidents happen. What I do think is that more accidents or
mishaps of an electrical nature happen. Computers are notorious for screwing up. And
telephones. And things belonging to the sphere of communication.

Mercury retro is also a bad time to begin something new. It's better to finish what has
been started.

And it's a terrible time to sign contracts or make commitments. I'd never marry an
Aquarian when merc was retrograde. (But, then, again, an Aquarian would never ask me.). :-)

Stacey
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi)
Subject: Re: 19th century ephemeris info needed
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:45:55 GMT

In article <cosulliv.714949122@sfu.ca> cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan) writes:
>Would somebody please post or e-mail directly to me the Planetary positions
>for April 16, 1889?  

What time?  And where? 

  Gary

    Gary T. Czychi          University of St.Gallen

       czychi@alpha.unisg.ch (preferred host)
         czychi at csghsg52   (=bitnet)
           czychi@bernina.ethz.ch
             Switzerland
              -


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From: eda803z@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Duc M. Ngo)
Subject: how to convert a lunar date into solar date??
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:58:37 GMT

hi all,

does anyone know of a formula to convert a lunar date into solar
date an vice versa?  any help would be much appreciated!

duc ngo
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: rising sign question
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:03:46 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

Dear Astrology news.group,

Am I correct in assuming that since the "moon was rising" at the
time of my birth, that the moon is my "rising sign?"

--thanks in advance, danny
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
From: s0jrej@exnet.co.uk (James Ellis-Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re:newspapers
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:32:13 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK


	Newspaper 'scopes are based on the solar horoscope of the sunsign
involved.They place 0 degress of the sunsign on the horizon and look at 
what aspects all the planets make and from what houses.
	This is obviously not an adequate way to deal with astrology for
it hopes to reduce 5 billion or so 'scopes to just 12.
	People who use the newspaper argument to show what nonsence astrology
is are really just parading their ignorance of astrology *and* their inability
to argue case by case or point by point.
	To win an argument or debate it is not enough to go for the weak point.
One weak point does not prove that the whole subject is riddled with logical
error,it just proves the theory is not complete.
	To win an argument you must go for the strongest points,for the areas
which underpin and support the rest of the theory.  To fail to tackle these
smacks of abject cowardice and easy point scoring. It has nothing to do with
seeing if there is any truth in the theory and sod all to do with proper 
intellectual debate.
	To summerise. You must deal with natal astrology, mundane astrlogy,
Horary astrology ,progressions,transits,midpoints and a host of other tools
which seem to work

			Yours 
				Xavier.

	 
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: 19th century ephemeris info needed
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:58:42 GMT

Would somebody please post or e-mail directly to me the Planetary positions
for April 16, 1889?  

Sic itur ad astra.


Christina O'Sullivan
cosulliv@sfu.ca
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Re: newspapers
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:55:21 GMT
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany

In article <28AUG199210071010@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>Since you refer to strong points of "the theory", could you briefly summarize
>what those might be?  There is no replicated, non-pathological, non-anecdotal
>evidence for the vast majority of accepted astrological conjecture.  The work
>of the Gauquelins stands as the sole pillar of apparently reproducible fact
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>upon which teeters the entire ediface of astrology.  To wit, not even
>Gauquelin, nor anyone else, has ever validated the use of the zodiac as a
>delimiter of any quality, trait or event.

What is "apparently reproducible"?  As far as I know, it has been tried to
reproduce the Gauquelins' Mars effect, but it didn't show up a second time.
Are there any Mars effect statistics I don't know about?  I want them!

-- 
thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
Definition:  Idiot-proof  -  you are idiot-proof when you NEVER flame anybody.
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology,alt.folklore.science,alt.alien.visitors,alt.folklore.urban
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Date: 2 Sep 92 15:38:01 GMT
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From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Subject: Re: Pluto transits Sun
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:05:57 GMT
Organization: AUS

In article <1992Sep2.132055.16129@athena.mit.edu>, mt@space.mit.edu (Mary Terhune) writes:
> 
> What does it mean when your
> Sun is transited by Pluto?
> 
> Novice
> 
> 
> 

It means all hell will break loose. :-)

You didn't say what the aspect is, but in my opinion, it doesn't much
matter. I have Pluto trine my Sun right now, and I have had Pluto square
my Sun, and either one symbolizes extreme and deep changes. You also don't
say what house this is occurring in, so I have no idea where it will manifest.

In reference to a previous posting I made about feeling so frustrated
and miserable with Saturn conj my nadir (I goofed in the original posting),
I talked with a good friend who suggested I agree to live a myth pertinent
to my situation (as Joseph Campbell explains it). I agreed in my
conscious mind, and I am now involved in what seems the greatest, most
terrible, most frightening, most exhilarating adventure of my life.
And it fits in perfectly with Pluto trine Sun. :-)

Just remember, Pluto is a force to be reckoned with. Read and investigate
the symbolism of the planet, its sign, and the sign and nature of your sun.
It's a place to start. And then just give in. You fight Pluto, you'll
never win.

Stacey

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From: czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi)
Subject: Does anybody know the Merlin project? 
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:35:01 GMT

Hello  If anyone has had contact with the Merlin Project's astrological
financial and political projections please get back to me. It is supposed to
be headquartered at Stanford University and at other universities as well.
They  have been supplying government and industry with data based on
historical activities which occurred during similiar transits to the ones
occurring today e.g. Uranus Neptune conjunction on February 2nd l993.

Laeh Maggie Garfield


cuurently at czychi@alpha.unisg.ch or czychi@bernina.ethz.ch