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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:15:10 GMT

Anthony Maillard (Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com) wrote:
>In article <1992Oct9.203220.3156@mdivax1.uucp>, robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim
>Robinson) wrote:
>> 
>> LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
>> >In article <1992Oct9.065258.12434@schbbs.mot.com>, RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan)    writes...
>> >>I will move to Canada just in few weeks from Japan.  I would appreciate
>> >>if anyone can tell me more about Canada.  Since I will be living in
>> >>Toronto for only eight months, I would like to know something like where
>> >>to shop , where to go for sightseeing and the lifestyle in Toronto.
>> >>I would also like to know which church I can go on Sunday since I won't
>> >>have a car while I stay in Toronto.
>> >>Please send those information to me through EMail.
>> >>Thanks in advance!
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >You have my sympathy - Canada is an extremely boring and mediocre country, and 
>> >Toronto is extremely cold.  Could you not have chosen an 8 months period
>> >that did not encompass the whole of winter?
>> 
>> Vancouver is even more boring, mediocre, and cold than TO. Please do not
>> even *think* about visiting, let alone moving here.
>> 
>> :-)
>> -- 
>> Jim Robinson
>> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
>> {ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson
>
>For your information Mr. Robinson, the temperature in Vancouver rarely
>achieves the highes or lows as in Toronto.   Obviously one of those people
>who should be living in IOWA.

I'm really sorry, but I thought that one ':-)' was enough. If it helps,
please append the following to my previous post:
   :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

I guess that I should also add that even though Toronto is a nice city, as
far as north east North American cities go, after having lived there for
about nine years in total I am quite happy to be again living in Vancouver
(going on 5 years in total now).

[Nontheless, Vancouver really sucks, so please don't waste your time
visiting, Laurence. :-) ]
-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Mike Godfrey
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:35:00 GMT



I feel sorry for poor Mike Godfrey, who people keep confusing with me.
I (Laurence) am the "idiot" who loathes Canada, Mike is the person who
seems to like it over there.  As far as I know, neither of us is an American,
though i frequently wish I were.  I do not think we are related.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com (Anthony Maillard)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:04:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.203220.3156@mdivax1.uucp>, robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim
Robinson) wrote:
> 
> LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
> >In article <1992Oct9.065258.12434@schbbs.mot.com>, RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan)    writes...
> >>I will move to Canada just in few weeks from Japan.  I would appreciate
> >>if anyone can tell me more about Canada.  Since I will be living in
> >>Toronto for only eight months, I would like to know something like where
> >>to shop , where to go for sightseeing and the lifestyle in Toronto.
> >>I would also like to know which church I can go on Sunday since I won't
> >>have a car while I stay in Toronto.
> >>Please send those information to me through EMail.
> >>Thanks in advance!
> >> 
> >
> >
> >You have my sympathy - Canada is an extremely boring and mediocre country, and 
> >Toronto is extremely cold.  Could you not have chosen an 8 months period
> >that did not encompass the whole of winter?
> 
> Vancouver is even more boring, mediocre, and cold than TO. Please do not
> even *think* about visiting, let alone moving here.
> 
> :-)
> -- 
> Jim Robinson
> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
> {ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

For your information Mr. Robinson, the temperature in Vancouver rarely
achieves the highes or lows as in Toronto.   Obviously one of those people
who should be living in IOWA.

Anthony Maillard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Canada's country code?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:25:00 GMT

In article <Oct.7.23.45.14.1992.1026@romulus.rutgers.edu>, kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. K writes...
>In article <pavalin-071092140406@47.168.128.243> pavalin@bnr.ca (Paul Valin) writes:
> 
>> Theodore A. Kaldis:
> 
>>> In fact, the country code for Canada is "002".
> 
>> Unless Canada has picked up and moved to Africa,
> 
>Canada has not picked up and moved to Africa (at least not yet).
>African countries have 2- or 3-digit codes that begin with "2".
> 
>> I doubt that the country code is '2'.  Where did you get this idea?
> 
>In Athens.  I had occasion to call Canada when I was there in 1990 and
>this was the country code I was told to use for that call.
>-- 

How braindead can you get?  Do you think a telephone system (even a Greek
one can distinguish between 002 followed by the first two digits of a
Canadian area code and 002 followed by the last two digits of an African
country code?

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: dbowman@warp (Don A. Bowman)
Subject: Re: The Accord and BC
Organization: University of Waterloo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:05:31 GMT

John Paul Morrison (jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca) wrote:
: 
: 
: Federally funded? And where do you suppose the feds get the money?
: 
: BC pays out more tax money than it receives in transfer payments. Your US
: example is meaningless because the US tax burden is about 40%, while Canada's
: is at least 50%. There'd be no need to raise taxes at all. 

The province would need to implement an income tax of its own to implement
this is what I meant. Raise taxes was incorrect -- new taxes is what I should
have said.

--
Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
From: smith@gramian.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Join the U.S. ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:11:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: gramian.SMITH.92Oct15091135
	<1992Oct15.075029.8159@ac.dal.ca>
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.150113.7048@brtph560.bnr.ca>, alex writes:
> > A few months ago I heard that in case Quebec votes against the agreement
> > in the referendum of October 16th, the premiers of English Cananda would
> > opt to join the United States, rather than having a truncated country, 
> > with Atlantic Canada being separated from the rest.
> > 
> > I remember where I heard it. It was on CSPAN, when one of the premiers
> > from English Canada was addressing some trade organization.
> > 
> > Is it true? If that happens it will be great! I wonder what they'll
> > the country and what happens to the constitution, etc.. ..
> 
> Yes, I remember this came out just after the failure of Meech Lake.
> Bucanan, who was then premier of Nova Scotia, mentioned that N.S.
> might look into joining the States.
> 
> The reaction of the people was, shall we say, less than 100%
> enthusiastic.
> 
> I believe that one of the phrases was "I'd rather slit my own
> throat, thank you."
> 
> Pesonally, while I think the States is quite a nice place to visit,
> there's no WAY I'm going to live there, nor will I be a citizen
> there. I'll move to England or France first.

Actually, I was surprised to find on a recent visit to the Maritimes
that many people, while discussing the implications of the
Charlottetown agreement, volunteered this to be a possibility not
distasteful to them.  Neither my wife nor I ever raised this issue,
yet it continued to surface among a wide variety of people that we
spoke to.  Of course, we were engaged in polite conversation, and
musings are different from action.  I wonder how this idea would fly
in Congress.

Steven Smith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.travel.air,can.general
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Closed Flights
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:54:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.140159.8882@math.toronto.edu> joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) writes:
>Passengers are not allowed to take CP 12 or CP 8 from Vancouver to 
>Toronto since those flights are considered international.  Canadian does
>not allow passengers to board from Vancouver, that way passengers from
>Hong Kong/Bangkok/Tokyo to Toronto clear customs at Toronto instead of
>Vancouver.  If passengers to Toronto had to clear customs in Vancouver,
>we'd have to retrieve our bags *twice*, and for passengers who carry
>over 20kg of who-knows-what, it is a pain.
>In other words, if you were on the plane from Vancouver, you would have
>to clear Canadian customs at Toronto, which is silly.  In fact, in my
>stopover in Vancouver from Hong Kong, we had to stay in a section of the
>airport and were not allowed to leave the terminal building.  At least
>the international section of terminal was recently renovated and looks
>very nice.

I took a flight  from Cairns  (Australia)  to  Sydney  and it  was  an
international flight similar to the one described above. In this case,
they  let domestic passengers on board.   Qantas gave us big green 'D'
stickers   on our boarding   passes.  We  arrived in  Sydney  we found
ourselves inside the customs area.  We  went right around the  side of
the customs checkpoints with no checks because we had the 'D' stickers
that we had to turn  in.  (I asked  to keep my boarding pass  and they
ripped the 'D' part off of it.) I think the flight continued on to New
Zealand, Don't know if Cairns was the  origin,  but it  sure was weird
going around customs like that.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Organization: University of Waterloo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:24:14 GMT

LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct9.065258.12434@schbbs.mot.com>, RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan)    writes...
: 
: You have my sympathy - Canada is an extremely boring and mediocre country, and 
: Toronto is extremely cold.  Could you not have chosen an 8 months period
: that did not encompass the whole of winter?

Wow. Holy biased blindness. Many people LIKE winter activities -- skiing,
skating, snowshoeing, etc,etc.

: 
: For sights and lifestyle, cross the border and head south or west.  It's
: much less expensive and has lots of interesting things to see.  East, west
: and North or toronto is just a wasteland.  By the way I am English, not
: American, so this is an entirely objective apraisal!!

For sights and lifestyles that will make your skin crawl you mean -- drive
through detroit or buffalo. Derelict cars, people starving, drug addicts...

Your appraisal is not objective, it is objectionable.

Personally, I don't like Toronto at all. Still, I would prefer to live
there than *ANY* American city.

Why?

 Less likely to be shot in the street by crack addict
 Health Care
 Your neighbour doesn't carry a handgun
 culture
 you can go outside at night.



--
Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Reply-To: mark@cita.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:15:16 GMT

[ Irene Pan ]

| I will move to Canada just in few weeks from Japan.  I would appreciate
| if anyone can tell me more about Canada.  Since I will be living in
| Toronto for only eight months, I would like to know something like where
| to shop , where to go for sightseeing and the lifestyle in Toronto.

[ Laurence Godfrey ]

| You have my sympathy - Canada is an extremely boring and mediocre country, and 
| Toronto is extremely cold.  Could you not have chosen an 8 months period
| that did not encompass the whole of winter?
| 
| For sights and lifestyle, cross the border and head south or west.  It's
| much less expensive and has lots of interesting things to see.  East, west
| and North or toronto is just a wasteland.

This has got to rank as one of the most ill-informed, misleading, and downright
stupid things to have appeared in this newsgroup recently.  (And that's saying
a lot, in view of some of the things that Kaldis spews out!)

The "boring" accusation might have been true of Toronto thirty or so years ago,
but it's hardly true today.  I moved here in 1982 after 34 years in the US, and
have never regretted it for a moment.  I can't think of any other large city,
anywhere in North America, where I'd rather live.  And lest you thing that these
are the isolated ravings of a twisted mind, it's worth mentioning that everyone
who's visited us since our move northward has absolutely loved the place, and
most have commented that it's a much nicer (and more fun) place to live than
whatever (US) cities they're currently living in.

And as for the alleged coldness of the winters:  I tend to agree with people who
feel that Toronto winters aren't quite cold enough:  The temperature is too often
right around 0C, resulting in a lot of unpleasant slushiness.  Toronto is, on the
average, less cold than Chicago, Minneapolis, Madison, ...

Mark Bartelt                                                       416/978-5619
Canadian Institute for                                    mark@cita.toronto.edu
Theoretical Astrophysics                                  mark@cita.utoronto.ca

"Sheep not busy being shorn are busy frying"   -   Dylan, at a NZ lamb barbecue
              [ singing "It's all right, ma (I'm only bleating)" ]
From: D1BQC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: CAIS e-mail address
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:39:23 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hello. If anyone knows the e-mail address of the CAIS (Canadian
Association of Information Science) membership department, please
e-mail it to my account:  wbwqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
                    or    wbwqc@cunyvm.bitnet
Thank you very much.
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: US Constitution and Slaves
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:52:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bw69JI.4Ay.1
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU


It might have been already said, but I just wanted to illustrate that
until the 16th Amendment, the allocation of House Representative seats
followed the following rule:

---Begin Excerpt---

REPRESENTATIVES And Direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the
several States which may be included within this Union, according to
their respective numbers, which shall be detrermined by adding the
whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a
term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all
other persons.

---End Excerpt---
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins)
Subject: Re: community, compromise, and individual liberty
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 20:23:24 GMT

In article <SMITH.92Oct7141159@minerva.harvard.edu> smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
>warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>
>Exactly which compromises do you wish to make?  One lesson I take from
>history is that the individual must reign supreme.  There are certain
>fundamental rights that cannot and must not be compromised.  Would you
>like a reminder of the ugly cohorts who share the sentiment you tiptoe
>around?  If individual liberties are not central to our society, then
>what is?  And what argument against ``group rights'' could be more
>sound than asserting the supremacy of individual rights and the
>equality of individuals?  Why do you think Orwell's line about some
>animals being more equal than others is so ironic and funny?
>
>Steven Smith


 Yes, exactly.
 And which tyrants in history did not use the argument of
 some "group right" (racial, class or national) as justification
 for tyrannical oppression?

 Tyrants don't come to power by claiming they desire oppression; rather
 they claim they are defending some collective and that the
 individuals that are crushed in the glorious battle, are necessary
 (even unfortunate) victims to the greater collective cause.

 Frank.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dleblanc@kub.nl (David Leblanc)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:14:58 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands

In article <9OCT199219021882@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
#In article <BvvH7v.B96@mach1.wlu.ca>, brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth c writes...
#
#>> (repeat of my fair and honest summary of Canada)
#
#>If this guy lives in Canada, he should be exiled.
#> 
#Oh, do you exile people who are critical of canada?  How very democratic and
#tolerant!  In fact, I have voluntarily exiled myself from canada, and would
#only consider returning when and if my claim against your farcical National
#Research Council goes to court.  I would point out, however, that I did post
#an earlier mail somewhere else that said the existence of Quebec and the
#French-speaking Canadians was its only saving grace, but omitted to say that
#to the Japanese guy.  I retract nothing - in fact I think I was extremely
#restrained in my criticism on this occasion.
#> 
#As for an earlier post, I agree that London, England is an awful place, but
#far superior to anywhere I saw in canada primarily because of the absence
#of the very mediocre anglophone Canadians

Yes, well I guess Canada doesn't have the excitement of people
living in the streets, tax riots, race riots, random bombings,
football hooligans, lager louts, skinheads, no central heating 
and subway stations that can cook up a meal for an entire cannibal 
tribe in under two minuites - but not everywhere can be London, 
now can it.

Not to give the impression that I actually find Canada to be the least
bit exciting (outside of Quebec that is) - but at least it's a country
where one can choose a meal from more than two resturant types, 
Indian or revolting.

David LeBlanc

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.travel.air,can.general
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Closed Flights
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:00:50 GMT

reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:

>I took a flight  from Cairns  (Australia)  to  Sydney  and it  was  an
>international flight similar to the one described above. In this case,
>they  let domestic passengers on board.   Qantas gave us big green 'D'
>stickers   on our boarding   passes.  We  arrived in  Sydney  we found
>ourselves inside the customs area.  We  went right around the  side of
>the customs checkpoints with no checks because we had the 'D' stickers
>that we had to turn  in.

Sounds like a big hole for smugglers. Person A picks up illegal
substance in Asia, boards flight for Sydney. Person B boards at 
Cairns. Person A gives substance to Person B. Person A is
clean, clears customs no problem. Person B has 'D' card,
doesn't have to clear customs at all. Outside the airport,
person B returns illegal substance to person A.

-Larry Watanabe

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:04:42 GMT

In article <9OCT199206080694@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.065258.12434@schbbs.mot.com>, RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan)    writes...
>>I will move to Canada just in few weeks from Japan.  I would appreciate
>>if anyone can tell me more about Canada.  Since I will be living in
>>Toronto for only eight months, I would like to know something like where
>>to shop , where to go for sightseeing and the lifestyle in Toronto.
>>I would also like to know which church I can go on Sunday since I won't
>>have a car while I stay in Toronto.
>>Please send those information to me through EMail.
>>Thanks in advance!
>> 
>
>
>You have my sympathy - Canada is an extremely boring and mediocre country, and 
>Toronto is extremely cold.  Could you not have chosen an 8 months period
>that did not encompass the whole of winter?
>
>For sights and lifestyle, cross the border and head south or west.  It's
>much less expensive and has lots of interesting things to see.  East, west
>and North or toronto is just a wasteland.  By the way I am English, not
>American, so this is an entirely objective apraisal!!
>
>Laurence
>
If this guy lives in Canada, he should be exiled.


-- 
Ken Breadner	brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (the BREADbox)  ...
Wilfrid Laurier Day Care Centre--oops, University, Waterloo, Ontario
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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Does Canada sell immigration permits?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:39:00 GMT

In article <bkt.719108070@blacks>, bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)  writes...
>Today's Wall Street Journal has an editorial by Gary Becker (who
>won the Nobel Prize in economics yesterday) touting the advantages
>of an immigration system in which permits are auctioned.  He
>cites Canada as an example of a country which currently sells permits,
>"although in a partial and elitist fashion."  Does anyone know what he
>means?  Are immigration permits available for money in Canada, and if
>so, for how much and to whom and under what conditions?
>--
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>...nothing is so fatal to maidenly delicacy of speech as the run of 
>a good library.
>				Robertson Davies, _Tempest Tost_

Wishful thinking.  hard to believe they would find any buyers.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada