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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Moving a power panel
Date: 26 Jul 92 05:30:16 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <Brt4qG.1AM@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> wreck@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com (R. Cage) writes:
|fredch@phx.mcd.mot.com (Fred Christiansen) writes:
|: I'd like to understand what the options are for the following situation:
: 
|:                       |-----------|--------------------------|
|:                       |           |                          |
|:                       |  future   |  house to be built       |
|:                       |  garage   |  starting in 2 weeks     |
|: ......................|...maybe..X|                          |
|:                       |  in 2-3   |-------------|            |
|:                       |   years   |             |            |
|:                       |-----------|             |------------|

|Why not this?

|                       |-----------|--------------------------|
|                       |           |                          |
|                       |  future   |  house to be built       |
|                       |  garage   |  starting in 2 weeks     |
| ------------------    |   maybe   |                          |
|                   |   |  in 2-3   |-X-----------|            |
|                   |   |   years   | |           |            |
|                   |   |-----------| |           |------------|
|		   -------------------

|Is there a problem with planning ahead?

This probably be allowed on the house without the garage, but
once the garage is built, he may *still* have to reroute the
wire.

The electrical utilities have gotten very particular where the
service entrance and main disconnects are.

The rule is, here, something like: somewhere along the wall
facing the direction the power is coming from, or no farther
than 5 feet down the adjacent walls.  The idea being that
anyone having to disconnect things in an emergency can find it
quick.  Particularly the meter base.

Fred's best bet is to install the panel, main switch and meter
bases at X.  When the garage is built, the meter base and
main switch get moved to the opposite wall of the garage with
a hunk of (suitable size) feeder wire running through the garage
to feed the panel.  He can save a few bucks later on by choosing
a panel that doesn't have a main breaker in it, and having the
main breaker/disconnect in a separate box, which could get
moved later.

An even better suggestion for Fred - ask your electrical utility.
Only your electrical utility knows for sure...
-- 
Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
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From: dab@brunnhilde.chm.msu.edu (David A. Bennett)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Raccoons - how can I convince them to leave?
Keywords: kinder, gentler
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:51:10 GMT
Reply-To: dab@brunnhilde.chm.msu.edu (David A. Bennett)
Organization: CHM-MSU

There's a raccoon in the crawl space under my porch.  What can I do to
non-violently evict it?

My dog and cat have been telling me about this for months, but I wasn't
listening.  My wife made me investigate a strange noise the other night
and I came face to face with the little masked varmint.

I want to repair the porch but won't until I'm sure it's gone.

Dave Bennett                   18399dab@msu.edu
CHM
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,misc.invest,misc.taxes
From: sattlerc@rtsg.mot.com (Chris Sattler)
Subject: Re: Question on reinvesting money from sale of a home
Keywords: house sale
Reply-To: motcid!sattlerc@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:33:36 GMT

browner@rm1.interlan.com (Michael Browner) writes:

>In article <697@data.rain.com>, mindy@data.rain.com (Mindy Beseler) writes:
>|> finding another house in the new area.  We are wondering how long we have
>|> to reinvest the money from the sale of our house before we have to pay
>|> taxes on it.  Also can we use the money to buy some land (which we probably
>|> won't build on for a year or more) or does the money have to be re-invested 
>|> in our new place of residence?

>Anyway, you have upto 2 years (no extensions, no how) to buy are replacement
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No true, you can get an extension if you are in the armed services stationed
overseas, or if you are living overseas while working on a temporary 
assignment.

>Michael B.

>Disclaimer : this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.  Talk to
>a proffesional before doing anything.

Same goes here.

>-- 
>Michael Browner     		browner@sun1.interlan.com or
>(305) 846-6848                  browner@rd1.interlan.com
>Racal-Milgo, MS E-112, 
>P.O.Box 407044, Ft Lauderdale, FL 33340  

Chris Sattler
-- 
  Chris Sattler				Motorola Inc
  !uunet!motcid!sattlerc	
  (708) 632-3615  
All opinions expressed are my own, not those of my employer.
From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: ADVICE WANTED: Changing house outlets from 2 to 3 prongs
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:49:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

So I take it from following this thread that just because my hot-water
radiators are grounded to my electrical system, doesn't mean that it's
a good idea to wire the nearby radiator to the ground of the surge
supressor into which my expensive computer is plugged? 

Ah hell, I needed a haircut anyway.
Xref: sparky misc.consumers.house:9959 misc.legal:15078
From: jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs and snakes, oh my!
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:22:42 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas

ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) writes:

>Evidently there was a case where a theif hid in a department store after
>closing time and was attacked by guard dogs.  Even though he was convicted
>of burglary he won a case against the store for injuries he received.

And people wonder what's wrong with the legal system.  That's why it 
is important to remember that if someone breaks into your home/store/car 
be sure and SHOOT THEM DEAD so that only your side of the story can be 
told.

No smiley.


--
*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. * 
*  DoD#0402         AMA#568571  |   Ride:  GS500E    		   *
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   *
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: bair@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (matthew.a.bair)
Subject: Children on the title for a second house?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:12:39 GMT

I relaized more info was needed for people to respond adequately to this...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Netters,

I have a legal questions with home buying.  When buying a second home some
people (and some lawyers) have suggested the following scenario:

  Put one of your children (assuming they are of age) on the title
  and have them sign documents to the effect that they are one third
  owners of the second house and as such owe you one third the fair
  market value of the house.

I believe this has something to do with ??homestead?? and some $2500 savings
in the property tax (because someone on the title is living at the residence?)
The fact was also given that if we were to pass on, one of our children
would already have ownership (thus saving or estate some problems?)  Well, I
am completely lost about this.  Is this on the up and up?  Could someone
please explain how this arrangement works.

Thanx,

M Bair
bair@ihlpm.att.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I realized that perhaps the geographical location I'm interested in might
help here.  I'm referring to Illinois (DuPage/Kane counties.)  I'm not
a wiz here, but I understand that the household deduction on your property
taxes would only apply to one home.  With the child on the title for the
second home (and living there?) then the deduction ($2500) on the property
taxes could be taken advantge of.

Thanx,

M Bair
bair@ihlpm.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Subject: Re: HELP with The World's Dirtiest Jenn-Air!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:03:57

In article <14h5ruINNlpi@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

   In article 2393@ultra.com, wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) writes:

   >If nothing else, how about recommendations for a good degreaser?  :-(

   Simple Green.  Used full strength, it cuts grease pretty well.  It
   won't eat through your skin or asphyxiate you, and it's biodegradable
   and environmentally friendly.

I like Simple Green.  Another option if the grease is really 
heavy is Lestoil or some other Pine Oil based cleaner.  These 
do a superb job on grease.

BTW,  Simple Green is available in gallon containers.  Definitely
worthwhile at $7 a gallon.

--
Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org>		OSF/Motif Dev.
Snail:         11 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge,  MA  02142
Disclaimer:    I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it.
Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Sky Lights in bedroom question
Reply-To: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:40:50 GMT

In article <1407@seqp4.sequoia.com> sdlee@seqp4.sequoia.com (Sang Daz Lee) writes:
>I am thinking of installing skylights in my bedroom and
>wanted to know if the shades that you can get are good
>at keeping the light out.  Also any other thoughts about
>this project?

I put two in in my kitchen and they're marvelous. Quick thought. I've put
in several over the years (mostly for other people), and when I did mine
I bought skylights which are narrow enough to drop right between the joists
without cutting any. The installation was then easy enough that I was able
to get both in in one afternoon. Mine are four feet long.

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                    | I had been told that the best defense is a good
George Patterson -  | offense, so I made up my mind early in life to
                    | become as offensive as possible.
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian)
Subject: Re: Sky Lights in bedroom question
Organization: Motorola LMPS STC
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:30:15 GMT
Followup-To: misc.consumers.house

In article <1407@seqp4.sequoia.com>, sdlee@seqp4.sequoia.com (Sang Daz Lee)
wrote:
> 
> I am thinking of installing skylights in my bedroom and
> wanted to know if the shades that you can get are good
> at keeping the light out.  Also any other thoughts about
> this project?
> 
The opague shades are fairly good at controlling sunlight, but I
have found that that is not the worst case situation.

During a strong thunderstorm, the lightning strikes are very startling
since the room goes from total darkness, to VERY bright, and then back
again in a short period of time.  

Also,  the sound of steady rain on the skylight glass may be a factor
in your decision.  Some people find it relazing...  I found it to be
similar to a form of Chinese water torture!!


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Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: victor@st-andy.uucp (Victor Morvillo)
Subject: Re: Who to refinance with?
Reply-To: victor@oakwood.UUCP (Victor Morvillo)
Organization: RMJ Securities Corp.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:43:29 GMT

In article <l78v4lINNha3@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> keith@badseed.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Hey all you homeowning folks,
>
>I'm looking for a recommendation for refinancing my house.  I'm mostly interested
>in no cost type refinancings.  I don't have much spare cash at the moment so this
>is really the only option.  My current rate is 9.375% and it's a 30 due in 7 years.
Keith,
With only 7 years left until maturity on an amortized loan, aren't you now paying 
mostly principal and little interest?  It probably doesn't pay at this stage to 
refinance.

Just my .02 worth of advice.

-- 
#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
# Victor Morvillo     #
# uunet!st-andy!victor#      
#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
From: bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:54:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Alarm sirens
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house

Putting it in the cold air return makes a heck of a lot of noise...

(I did this with a bell... our particular system had two sounders, a bell
in the air duct, plus a siren to the outside.)




Bill Parrish




Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: davids@stsci.EDU (David Silberberg)
Subject: Cleaning stains from wooden floors
Reply-To: davids@stsci.EDU (David Silberberg)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:29:02 GMT

How does one clean stains from a wooden floor?  At the very least, how
does one clean the ring left from a pail of water?  Thanks.

David
--
David Silberberg			Internet: davids@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute	    SPAN: SCIVAX::DAVIDS
3700 San Martin Drive			  ATTnet: (410)516-5142
Baltimore, Maryland   21218
From: soley@trooa.enet.dec.com (Norman Soley)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Attic access
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:26:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


The current access my attic is a extremely small trap door in cieling of a 
closet, it's small enough that getting through it is a major production 
number. I want to install one of those trap door with integral ladder 
arragnements but don't know how I sould orient it. It's 28" by 54" and the 
cieling joists are at 16" centres. Would it be better to run it with the 
long dimesion along the joist, thus requiring cutting a fairly long 
section out of one joist or across them which means cutting shorter 
sections out of three joists? 

In either case should I place it close to a load bearing wall or out in the 
middle of the span?   
--
    Norman Soley, Specialist, Professional Software Services, ITC District
    Digital Equipment of Canada                   soley@trooa.enet.dec.com
    Opinions expressed are mine alone  and do not reflect those of Digital 
    Equipment Corporation or my cat Marge.
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Re: What about alarm systems (was Burglars and dogs)
Organization: None
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:43:59 GMT

In article <l7dg7iINNlsu@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes:
>     Well, I missed the start of the Burglars and dogs and snakes 
>discussion so someone may have brought this up -- but why not get
>burglar alarms?  How much do they cost, probably less than a dog and
>dog food and vet bills and however much you'd end up getting sued by
>the burglar after s/he is treated for the snake bites.

I have a burglar alarm system (perimeter plus InfraRed) and its has stopped
three known attempts in 6-7 years. I wouldn't live without one.
In each case, the burglar pushed open a door, heard the alarm and took off.
The police were by our house within minutes but didn't get them.

Ours cost about $2000 installed (professionally) and about $150/yr for
the monitoring service.

Joe
joec@morgan.com



Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: bruce@gordian.com (Bruce Hafford)
Subject: Refinance at >80% LTV???
Keywords: refinance
Organization: Gordian
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:46:37 GMT

I'm curious - has anyone managed to refinance their place
when the Loan-to-value is > %80?? I know it's at least policy
at a lot of banks that they won't do this, but is it a hard and
fast rule?  If anyone has done this, can you send info on the lender?
thanks...

bruce@gordian.com



Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: GA.MCL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark C. Lawrence)
Subject: Re: 'Smelly' ice cubes
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:51:25 GMT

In article <BrrC6z.8r@unx.sas.com>,
sasjaa@morticia.unx.sas.com (James Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.162305.23369@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks) writes:
>|>
>|> In article <1992Jul21.134111.7840@sei.cmu.edu>, wml@sei.cmu.edu (Walter Lamia) writes...
>|> >
>|> >I need some advice on what causes ice cubes in the freezer to pick up odors,
>|> >and what do to about it.  This is a 1-yr old Amana refrigerator in a new
>|> >house, but I have noticed the problem in other refrigerators.  The odor is
>|> >vaguely like onion or garlic.  An open box of baking soda doesn't seem to
>|> >help, either.
>|> >
>|> >I presume this is caused by something else stored in the freezer, but
>|> >everything is frozen hard, and wrapped in plastic.  Can anyone suggest what
>|> >might be the exact culprit, and what I might try to eliminate the problem?

In most refrigerator/freezers, the air circulates between the two
sections, so something in the refrigerator side could be polluting
your ice cubes.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: leath@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Stephen Leath)
Subject: Which outlet is first on a circuit ?
Originator: leath@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:33:49 GMT

How does one determine which is the first outlet on a circuit ?

Thanks in advance.
 
Steve Leath @upei.ca


Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: tom@oracorp.com (Tom)
Subject: Re: fixer-upper advice
Organization: ORA Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:18:37 GMT

ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) writes:
: 
: I did this myself a couple years ago, not fun but do-able with a little
: practice.  Just a few days back I saw an interesting gizmo at the local
: "rent-it" place, though.  Can't recall the name, but it was a drywall
: "lift".  It had a pivoting 4' wide carriage that you set the sheet on and
: then you cranked it up and nailed/screwed it in place.  Sure looked like
: it would make covering a ceiling by yourself a lot easier!


It's called a sheetrock jack (drywall jack for you youngsters).  They
work great, but the only place that rents them around here charges about
$50/day.  If you're only remodeling one room at a time, that gets
expensive.  On the other hand, if the house is empty and all ready for
sheetrock, you could get several rooms done in very short order, especially
if you have a helper.  It's an unbelieveable time/work saver when dealing
with 4'x12'x5/8" sheets of sheetrock, but with pieces that big you really
need help lifting the sheet onto the jack.

-- Tom
From: earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,rec.gardens
Subject: Re: lawn sprinklers
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:59:53 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA


In article <1992Jul16.144033.27239@walter.bellcore.com>, sywuu@thumper.bellcore.com (Sze-Ying Wuu) writes:
> We're considering underground lawn sprinklers installed for our home.
> We live in Somerville/Bridgewater area. We've talked to 2 contractor
> companies and got their estimates. They charge for almot the same price
> but their estimates of number of sprinkler heads differ by 10.  Both drew
> a quick sketch of our site plan. The one who specified fewer number of
> heads put down the position of each head on the sketch, but the other one
> who specified more heads only put down numbers in each area.  I would
> say the former did a more detailed design as he knew where each head
> will go. However, the latter sounds like will give us more heads.
> 
> Does anyone has recommendations of how to select a lawn sprinkler contractor? 
> 
> We'll also welcome any recommendations of contractor companies.
> 
> Thank you,
> Sze-Ying Wuu
> sywuu@thumper.bellcore.com



The only other thing I would add to what has been said is ask the contractor to tell
you what grade of pipe they use and what kind of heads they use.  We had a local contractor
who was using  class 120  here in Utah---bad news!!  I know because I was doing repairs one
summer and every system I fixed that had thin wall pipe had been installed by this contractor.

We always specified what grade of pipe (class 200 is OK for most areas if it is burried deep enough.
We used Schedule 40), what kind of heads, whether the valves had flow control or not and the size
of the valve (usually 1") when we bid a job.  It may not seem like much, but people who try to cut
costs may use cheaper equipment that will cause you lots of problems in the future.  We charged
$40 for the first hour and $32.50 for every hour after that to repair  crappy systes installed by someone
else!!

Also, find out what kind of controler they are offereing to install.  Some are better than others.  My experience
is that anything other than a Rainbird(my preference) or Toro controller is either too expensive for a home installation
or is a cheap controller.


Good Luck!!

Dave Early