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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:29:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Apr8.045510.4582@amhux2.amherst.edu>
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.192237.13030@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>
>>>>If you only try one story, try, "Time Seen as a Helix of Semi-Precious
>>>>Stones. (The Motss relevance is subtle, but unmistakable.)
>
>Hmm ... I thought his most famous short was "Aye, And Gomorrah,"
>printed in DANGEROUS VISIONS.  (His first published work?)

	Not by a long shot.  He began publishing in the mid-60s.

	"Aye, and Gomorrah" is a wonderful story, though.
	As, I think, are nearly all of Delaney's works.

	I've noticed an odd polarity in the reaction to his
	writing: some like him but dismiss him as "just" a
	science fiction writer; others admire him above all
	other sf writers not for his writing per se, but
	because he's intellectually fashionable.  I don't
	think either reaction serves him well.

	-R


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mormon pamphlet: "For Young Men Only"
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 21:40:52 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

ddaniel@xymox.palo-alto.ca.us (D. Daniel Sternbergh) writes:

> In article <1992Apr2.220205.12126@cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) 
> >Let it, therefore, be
> >emphatically  understood that I was *not* accusing Mormons of practicing
> >infantile cannibalism. 
> 
> Goodness, Vince, I'm astonished that anyone could have so
> misunderstood your meaning!  Pay attention, folks.  Vince is stating
> unequivocally and in no uncertain terms that the cannibalism of
> Mormons is most definitely *not* infantile!
> 
> Well, I certainly hope *that* clears things up.

Cretin Claimer won't get it, I bet.

Look for his cross-post in t.p.m.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] Send me lawyers, guns, and money - QUICK!  The shit has hit the fan!
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Speaking to the Point (was Re: Human sexuality)
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:18:29 GMT
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Mar27.174757.8962@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>Right - and we know how little these particular gentlemen are
>bothered by such notions as 'all men are potential rapists.'
>It's the same old hypocritical tripe and the same old tired
>trash.  Do they really think we haven't heard these trivial, 
>lame arguments before?

Get realistic - men are pissed for the same reasons women would
be pissed if it were ever made widely known that women kill more
of their own kids than men and people started calling all women
"potential child murderers".

You don't like it when gays are broadbrushed as a bunch of men
out to screw whatever walks, so why are you so surprised that
men don't like being typecast as sex-crazed rapist zombies?

Oh.  Gay is PC.  Sorry ...
-- 
John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:39:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Apr3.011614.22050@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
>
>   It sounds to me like a rather traditional attitude has hit you, Ry
>(and correct me if I'm off base) that, in the straight world, men "get"
>or "take" something from women during sexual congress.  Unfortunately,
>in my experience and opinion, that still seems to be a dominant
>paradign.


I don't think so.  The character starts out as male, acts normal enough
then, switches into a female body and *bang* is flat on her back in
no time.  


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:09:27 GMT


Anything by Bananarama.

m.



-- 
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.singles
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Welcome class!
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:41:19 GMT

>kennedy@athenanet.com (Edward Kennedy) writes:
>:... or to force him/her into homosexualty?
>:... etc., etc.?
>:  ///    H O M O P H O B I C   A N D    G L A D   O F   I T  !  \\\


Welcome class.  Today we're going to examine this specimen of
Bigotus SuperDensius.  We've gagged it to prevent its high pitched
whines from interrupting.  Note that when we first witnessed this species
it masqueraded as another common species Straitius NoClueius with its
apparent questions about the sense of what it perceived as rude comments
about the catholic church.  At this stage, it is often difficult to
differentiate the species and so not wishing to accuse a mere NoClueius
of poor genetic quality, we answered that the Catholic church has and
continues to be active in supressing our search for basic human rights
and we are understandably irritated at this species Religiouus NarrowMindius.

It is at this point that this specimen's chameleon techniques started
to fail (chameleon techniques for this species being extremely important as
*EVERYBODY* knows that its a waste of time to talk to a Bigotus SuperDensius,
but that there is at least some hope that a Straitius NoClueius can
evolve to a Straitius PrettyOkius).   The specimen's apparent deafness
and parrot-like repetition of the query indicate a common condition of
the species, a regretable inability to hear anything other than their
own voice.  Blindness is frequent as well.  As it shrieked louder and
louder, all chameleon skills disappeared and it was revealed in its
full lack of glory.

We won't dissect it, as the species emits extremely noxious fumes when
closely examined and only the truly dedicated scholar of the species
attempts that nose threatening exercise.


Thank you technician, yes you can take it off to the pound now.


Remember your reading assignment in Mary Poppins, and next week's 
lecture, "Color and You."


Professor Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Condom questions
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:52:53 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

After discussing with several friends, I decided that one of the best
ways to get over being annoyed at the tightness of condoms was to
practice, so I've been rather, uh, Greek Active lately. The good news
is that staying hard has become vastly easier, and the sensation is
now not so annoying, but actually sort of habituating - promises of
things to come.

The bad news is a question I ask of others: does the latex in the condom
provoke any kind of rash? I don't think it is the lubricant, but rather
keeping a condom on for a long time, it seems that I can develop a mild
rash on the head of my cock, which I notice when showering up long later,
and the rash goes away after a good-night's rest or so.
-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ann Landers
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 19:19:30 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> In article <17688@awdprime.UUCP>, jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh I
> 
> > Likewise, if some brain scan or hormone
> > test is ever able to reveal homosexuality in the womb, homosexuals
> > will be the first to line up on the pro-life side of the abortion
> > debate, probably even before Christians and Conservatives ...
> 
> I think that's pretty absurd, and I'm curious to know how you
> came to that conclusion.  I think that a lot of people who
> consider themselves pro-choice would be horrified to imagine
> aborting a fetus because of its gender or sexual orientation.

He didn't come to that conclusion.  He's mouthing something Rush
Limbaugh said about a month ago.  It was stupid then and it is even
more stupid when repeated almost verbatim.

However, I was typing on another network where this same point was
brought up, and I asked a person, who expressed the same idea JFH did,
if he would reverse his anti-abortion stance if such a scan revealed
that his wife's fetus was potentially homosexual.  His rather alarming
reply:  "I believe that abortion is homicide, but in the case of a
homosexual fetus, I think it would be justifiable homicide."

> 
> T, testing a new newsfeed and reader

Looks good from here.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:10:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr8.221002.12402
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <gdhhbcw6@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.094533.19745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>you can get to IRC by telnetting to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu.
>Mmmm... I tried that.  The telnet connexion got made just fine (ie I got
>as far as the "Connected to.." message) but then - nothing.  Nada.  Rien.
>Am I doing anything wrong? Like, is there a port number that I should know
>about, or what?

No, it's the normal login port. You just have to be really really
patient. Bradenville is as slow as slugs crawling across ice.

It's really a slum. If you at all like IRC, do yourself a favour and
compile your own client. The intro banner on bradenville will tell you
where to ftp sources for a client.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                        All things are true
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:18:52 GMT


The Madonna example was actually cited
as someone who is "exploiting" Gay men
(and/or) Queer imagery for her own commerical
success.  While one cannot deny that
the free inclusion of such imagery into 
films and music videos is (and will continue to be)
shocking to many heterosexuals, I challeneg
the idea that this action furthers her career
in anay way other than courting an allready high
Gay demographic.  The primary audience
for "Truth Or Dare" are the Gay fans turned on by 
seeing the dancers and the chaos backstage
at the Blonde Ambition Tour, which was itself
homopositive and full of visible fags.

Seeing that such actions can ONLY serve 
to distance her from the Boy Toy image
popular with her straight audience, I
challenge the idea that this is exploitation.

It may be great MARKETING, but it isn't exploitative.
-- 
"Imagine a war in which everyone won..."
Pet Shop Boys, "DJ Culture"
-----------------------------------------
Ward Chanley - bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Where to find FJ!! on a Friday night/Saturday morning.
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:08:38 GMT

exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:

:Oh, I am SOOOOOOOOOO jealous!

Of course, she would be. Tsilke's got a first-hand eye-witness account of what
the place is like.


:When I move to A'dam can I work in a bar like that please, FJ!!? 

That is not up to me, I don't call the shots in this town (lucky inhabitants!).
Just get lucky, I guess. Or assertive.


:A women's one- or hell, I'll get Jojo's leather pants,
:a dildo, strap down my tits and Presto!
:I've done it before.... Tsilke, who can just picture it...

						FJ!! (who can't and 
						considers real-life 
						femininity a terrible thing 
						to waste and thus, never 
						does...).
From: gnn@heisenberg.Berkeley.EDU (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:59:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s01dlINNoaa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: heisenberg.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr8.100712.8495@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>	But what of the opposite? What about heterosexual women who
>get off at the sight of gay men going at each other?
>
I knew a woman in college that loved to see gay men together.  When I
was closeted it was awefull difficult to talk to her and not look at
the pictures sprinkled liberally about her room :-)  I got over it ;-)

>	Does that qualify as exploitation?
>
Don't know, you'd have to ask the guys she was viewing.  I don't have
a major problem with straight men getting off seeing women or
straight women getting off seeing two men.  If the persons being
viewed don't mind being seen during sex then that's their kick.  

Later,
George


-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:28:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.140809.2361@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.051438.13936@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> Plus, gay men inherently dance better - we might not have inherent
>> rhythm, but we have inherent *style*. :)
>
>Indeed, this is a great way to find closet types
>because as my friends and I regularly assert:
>
>   "Straight boys can't dance."

These are people who will be upset when they see what transpires at a
motss.con.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:35:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.103914.8640@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>	I wonder what gay men here feel about the idea of heterosexual
>or bisexual women fantasizing about male/male sex. Does it qualify as
>exploitation? 

No.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Xref: sparky soc.motss:20122 ca.politics:3440
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:21:48 GMT
	<1992Apr8.235253.16586@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
	<s4lp9INNcsc@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <s4lp9INNcsc@agate.berkeley.edu> gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil) writes:

   In article <1992Apr8.235253.16586@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
   >No, our President DID care.  That's why research linking AIDS to
   >sexual contact was made available to gay groups since the beginning.
   >That's why doctors and politicians spoke out for the closing of
   >gay bathhouses after it was shown how easily AIDS was being
   >transmitted in them.
   >
   What ?!?!  Did you somehow sleep through the 80s ??  Most of the work
   on AIDS was done by doctors who gave a shit and faught with the Raygun
   administration for funds.

This is a flat lie.  The fact is that AIDS gets the second highest
research funding for all diseases, second only to cancer.  This has been
the situation for at least the last five years.  Two of those five
budgets were submitted by Reagan.

  Then there's the brilliant CDC that still
   doesn't believe women get it.

Another lie.

  Or how about the theory that it was
   caused by poppers ??

In the early stages of any knew crisis there are bound to be a lot of
gueses.

  Now, go to your library and look for all the
   information in the NY Times on AIDS in the 80s.  Yeah, it'll be hard
   to find but you've got the time.

That's funny, I remember a lot of AIDS stories from the '80's.  Not just
in the NYT, but in the Seattle Times, the Boston Globe, the Herald and
the Chicago Trib.

   >If the people (gay leaders) that I trusted to watch out for my
   >interests had betrayed me, I'd be pissed too.  Can't say that I
   >blame you - except that you are blaming the wrong groups.  Try
   >looking at the gay rights leaders that refused to admit in 1983
   >that AIDS was spread by sexual contact.
   >
   >If you'd like, I can provide sources and name names.  Something
   >you'll be hard pressed to do.  Do you ever wonder about studies
   >that find that significant fractions of the gay population are
   >STILL practicing unsafe sex and lying about their HIV status?
   >
   Go for it! Where are you anyway ??  Deep in the outback somewhere ??

Not as deep as you are, obviously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Bryan Blumberg and the irrelevant charter of soc.motss
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:41:14 GMT

In article <qmyViB7w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>Donn Pedro sez:
>>bjb@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg) writes:
>>:     People Who Support    People Who Support      People Who Oppose
>>:     these posts           these posts, but want   these posts
>>:                           a disclaimer
>>:
>>:     Mark Walsh            Jan Bielawski           Jess Anderson
>>:     Nelson Minar          Tim W. Smith            Duane T. Williams
>>:     John Dorrance                                 Mike Siemon
>>:     Richard Popper                                Melinda Shore
>>:     Richard Johnson
>>:     George Madison
>>:     Mark Barnes
>>:     Michael Urban
>>:     Terance P. Ma
>>:     Thanalakshmi Subramaniam
>>:     Thomas M. Farrell
>>:     Sim David Aberson
>>:     Rondel K. Buckmire
>>:     Jessea N. R. Greenman
>>:
>>Add my name to the list with Melinda, Mike, Duane, Jess,
>>and anyone else you forgot.
>
>There is a fourth category Bryan omitted:
>
>People Who Don't Care If Bryan
>Violates the Charter, But Who Think
>He Is An Asshole For Doing So
>
>Mike Batchelor
peggy boucher murphy

since i get other relevant newsgroups (like alt.politics.homosexuality
where all this seems to belong imho) and have trn, and can use that ole 
"k" when i need to (and i do!), this bothers me less than others, 
obviously.  and if i really *have* to vote in an earlier category, put
me with jess, melinda, et al.  

peg
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Czech this out (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:14:17 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <13980@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>I'd claim to be an authority on only two things: the
>>harpsichord (and its music) and submarines.

>Ok, we kinda' know about the harpsichord (but not much,
>like when did you start, where did you get your first one
>and how good are you anyway)

People usually don't answer questions like those because
(the last one especially) such things are usually not asked.
I'm assuming you're merely interested, rather than conducting
an inquisition, so in brief:

I first got interested in the harpsichord when I was 16 and
recordings of it showed up at the Peoria Public Library.  I
began to study the piano about that time, and when I started
college, as a piano major in the School of Music at Urbana,
I took up the harpsichord as my minor instrument.

I didn't own an instrument until much later, though:
1973.  Since then I've given up the piano completely.

As for whether I'm good, it isn't for me to say.  Good
enough to have given about 100 public concerts, I guess,
with favorable press.

>but submarines? How did you becom an authority on that?

By the method so out of fashion today: reading.  :-) I grew
up during the time of WW II, and weapons were a major part
of that childhood experience.  They are quite amazing
machines.  I love all kinds of machinery, always have, the
more complex the better, but I suppose it was the
stealthiness that first caught my interest, way back when
they were 800-ton vessels, rather than the giants of today.
Until the advent of nuclear propulsion, life aboard a
submarine was not very attractive -- very noisy and very
smelly and very crowded.  They're still pretty crowded, but
there are considerably more amenities for the crew.  They're
moderately dangerous to operate -- most large weapons
systems are -- but serious accidents are less common than on
aircraft carriers, for example.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: The name claim to fame game
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:53:25 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>You have to watch out when you're with Mike; he's all -hans!

watch out? watch out? if only i were less shy to actually be this way.
and talk about the pot calling the kettle a harpsichordist! all
hands indeed! 

do you give lessons?

--mike
Newsgroups: soc.motss