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From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercings
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:41:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep1.214136.21018
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <Btwx15.M88@wpi.WPI.EDU> lelle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jessica Helene Andersson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.114526.620@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ph9jba@nestor.uucp (82222-anglum) writes:
>>Is there some way of obtaining labial piercings in Northern New Jersey
>>without treking down to the Gauntlet in NYC?  Can it be done by an
>>accupuncturist or in a tattoo parlor. 
>
>	You could trek UP to Boston... :)   And I really doubt any
>tattooist would pierce you, and I don't think I would want to get
>pierced by anyone whom 1) wasn't a professional piercer, or 2) I
>didn't trust a whole lot.  If you want to know more, email me directly
>(I have a labial piercing).
>
>					Helene

It would be difficult, anyhow, to find a tattooist in Boston to pierce you
since tattooing is illegal in Massachusetts.  Innovations in Leather in
Boston, however, does piercings, I understand.

[] Urso

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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:33:22 GMT

In article <s!anpnk.slf@netcom.com> slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) writes:
>For those of you who've known me for a while, I'm happy to say that I
>am no longer a piercing virgin.  I took part in a piercing ritual this
>weekend and I am now the proud owner of a 20-gauge hole in my left
>earlobe, which was perforated by Fakir.

I don't mean to be rude, but what's the appeal in getting something
as mundane as an ear piercing done in a ritual?  I'm not trying
to do any "my piercing's more outre' than yours" here, I'm just trying
to understand this whole ritual thing.  For me, ear piercings are just
decoration and part of my attempt to stay out of the 'yuppie scum/computer
dweeb' crew.  Ok, so I did get a good adrenalin rush from piercing
my own ear, but that's not something that I do that often.

Is it that the part of a person that responds to ritual things
is dead in me, or am I just clueless?


>("What's next?" I also hear people ask.  Well, besides extra ear
>holes, I'm not sure.  I was almost thinking about a nipple.  Almost.
>Maybe.  It was tempting.)

Get it.  It doesn't hurt much when you get it, it heals pretty
fast, and it's really really really fun when your lover plays with it. :-)


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  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: hee hee hee hee
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:51:33 GMT


In the comic NonSequitor -- by Wiley (c) 1992 washington post writers group

picture is of a tattoo artist finishing up a LARGE man's back,
the tattoo reads:

          "HE THINKS THERE'S A TATTOO OF THE MONA LISA BACK HERE"

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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:08:22 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Distribution: world
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
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In article <p2ko8mg@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>When I say "blue black" I mean the finished black color... It has a bluish
>hue that comes from having skin over the black pigment...

	
I would not call that 'Blue-Black' at all; 'Blue-Black' is more like 
the older style inks that american artists used, which were blue-based
and fade out to that blue tone you see on old sailor tattoos.

Most tribal work is done with ink that's true black, or close to it;
what they come out to is a sort of dark charcoal grey. 

So I'd say that the color of your tribal ink is *grey*, not *blue*.

			


	-Karl



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From: Matt.Balara@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matt Balara)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Japanese tatt designs
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:24:35 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


	I've been thinking about getting my first tatt and am most
appreciative of the Japanese based designs I've seen on people and have a
few questions...
	* Can anyone recommend a good source of inspirational material, be it
Japanese art book, tattoo mag that features Jap based work often, etc.?
	* I live just south of Washington D.C. (wrong coast for most Jap
work I realise) but can anyone recommend an east coast artist known for
Japanese work?  I'm willing to travel a bit...
	Thanks!

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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:23:28 GMT

In article <1614@anagld.analytics.com> bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman) writes:

>>I find it hard to believe that your entire blackwork piece was filled with
>>a single needle... It might have been done with an outliner.  However,
>>if you had the entire side of your calf filled in a single needle, it would
>>have taken significantly longer than "a few extra hours".  Realize that most
>>tattoo outlines are done with a five point needle.
>
>I don't think single line means single needle.  It was all done with the
>outline needles.  I beleive that that has two needles in that but I'm 
>not sure.

Probably 5... That is the standard size outline needle.  

>  However many needles are in it they call it "single line".

There are 3 different styles of needle, outline, shader and magnum....

Outline needle:  A cluster of X needles which come to one point.  These vary
from 3 to 7 needles and are usually odd numbers (for no apparant reason).
The tattoos that you see which look like photographs are done with a single 
needle outlines.

Shader: A row of X needles which lay in a line.  Usually, these vary from 3
to 7 needles, but do extend as high as 11 (though they are considered
excessive).

Magnum: A row of X needles with A row of X-1 needles across the top in a
line. These tend to have from 7 to 25 (part of my side was done with a 25,
13 on bottom, 12 on the top... It sounded like a lawnmower).  

You can do tattoos with just outline needles, but it is slower.  Despite the
myth, you can fill just as well with an outline as you can with a magnun, it
just does not take the same amount of time.


FWA
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From: robcruic@intacc.uucp (Robert Cruickshank)
Subject: Perforated pets
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:53:13 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS


My cat has, as result of a battle with another cat, a rather nicely formed
hole in her ear, which looks way cool with a safety pin or a small stud. I
don't put anything in it usually, because it's near the edge of the ear, and
I'm afraid she'll tear it out. When I do put something in, she's always
supervised, so nothing bad will happen (read: please don't flame me...) Just
out of curiosity (and we all know what *that* did) is there anone out there
that has *intentionally* modified pets? Other than the usual ear mutilations
and tail chopping done to some dogs, of course.. (and the serial number
tattoos...)

----rob
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.213322.6181@microunity.com>
     ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

>I don't mean to be rude, but what's the appeal in getting something
>as mundane as an ear piercing done in a ritual?  I'm not trying
>to do any "my piercing's more outre' than yours" here, I'm just trying
>to understand this whole ritual thing.  For me, ear piercings are just
>decoration and part of my attempt to stay out of the 'yuppie scum/computer
>dweeb' crew. Ok, so I did get a good adrenalin rush from piercing
>my own ear, but that's not something that I do that often.

   Well, if you're not the sort of person who appreciates ritual, then
the idea probably won't appeal to you.  Regardless of all other
constraints, Sharon was doing something that, for her, was unique in
her experience: she was letting someone violate the domain of her body
for the purpose of bodily decoration.

   You say it's "just an ear"; she (and I) will say "It's a part of my
body!"  For her (as for me, who just got his own first permanent
peircing- a frenum), this is something special.  Building a structure
around it, a ritual, brings the human animal into a different state of
consciouness, a state of awareness where this taboo-shattering (despite
its popularity, peircings, even of the ear, are still prohibited in
Leviticus 19:28) and life-changing event.

   Is it really "just an ear?"  Yeah, in a way it's just an ear.  It's
also something she'll have to clean, care for, and look at for the
rest of her life.  Ritual marks the beginning of that "rest of her
life."

>Is it that the part of a person that responds to ritual things
>is dead in me, or am I just clueless?

   Maybe both?  Who knows... go your path, and I hope I explained ours,
too.

>  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
>    This package contains one (1) Usenet news posting.  Do not eat.

   I love this .sig!  My lover and I nearly broke up in giggles when I
pointed it out to him... a bad thing since we were in class at the
time.

         Elf !!!
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From: dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489)
Subject: Re: weird dream
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:49:10 GMT

From article <1992Sep1.172117.15335@u.washington.edu>, by zyzzy@milton.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore):
> "Trespassers W" on a private part reminds me of what I dreamt last night:
> 
odd, i too was planning on posting today w/ this very same subject.  my
weird dream involved me being indecisive about getting a tat (of a 
cyclist racing or some such).  we decided to do a "temporary" tat so
i could see how it would look.  had to hold still while he pulled out
a hunting knife and carved the "tat" into my flesh.

> 
> Sleep is great!
> 
>
well, different at any rate.

-don. 
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From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: funny tattoos
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:10:06 GMT

mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:

>asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>: 
>: 	i have piglet from winnie-the-pooh (complete w/his balloon) on
>: 	my upper arm; i'm quite happy with him.

>Yay, I like it.  How could you not be happy with Piglet?  Now you just
>need "Trespassers W" put someplace private... ;-)

	i'd been toying w/other tat ideas from aa milne; i hadn't
	thought of 'trespassers w' yet tho.  good plan! ;)

>  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
>             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
>             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
>   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	annemarie, and piglet
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: funny tattoos
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.200113.34604@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)  
writes:
>asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>: 	i have piglet from winnie-the-pooh (complete w/his balloon) on
>: 	my upper arm; i'm quite happy with him.
>Yay, I like it.  How could you not be happy with Piglet?  Now you just
>need "Trespassers W" put someplace private... ;-)

oooooh, that reminds me of the Night Court episode where roz says she has just
one tattoo, on her butt, saying "if you can read this there had better be an 
engagement ring in your pocket"

--
Lance 
Probability: If you have five dogs, three will be asleep.
From: wright@reach.enet.dec.com (Clark M. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Gauntlet NYC
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:19:39 GMT
Reply-To: wright@aiag.enet.dec.com
Organization: Depravity Equipment Corporation


NYC Gauntlet -

To date I have had good experiences with them.

The three peirces they did for me last december all turned out well.

The peircings they did for my SO also turned out well 

(ok, so all of them were ears (1 cartelige, 1 tragus, 1 head peirce (top
of the ear where it re-joins the scalp, and one lobe) they were still well done
with good attention paid to placement and explaining after care.)

friends have had a Tongue peirce and a Clit hood, and they seemed to
be rather pleased with them and the treatment they recieved at the 
NYC guantlet (Cathy, I know you read this group, care to comment?? :-)

We were down there last weekend, on saturday (BTW - they are now closed
on Sundays due to staff reductions) at closing time, and even thou they
wanted to go home after a long day, they were Polite, Profesional, Friendly
(for NYC) and helpfull.  Which is not how they have been (wrongly, imho) painted
lately.  They squezed a friend in to get his tongue resized, and also helped 
two others change jewelry, and this was after they officially closed.

As an aside, the reason that they are cutting back their hours is because
they are down to 4 people (I believe that is what Mark (short guy, helped
open the store) said) and all of them were on, and one was fairly new.

Mark also had to come back to NY from California to take over the store...

Contrast this with 8 months ago, when they had over half a dozen working there,
and only 3 or 4 were on.

Don't know what the scoop is, but I have the feeling that the quality of the
NYC Guantlet is comparable to that of the other 2, at least from my experiences
with all three.

grins,

clark.
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Pittsburg Tatoo Fair
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:14:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <seaZp=200WBLM3Gbs5@andrew.cmu.edu> dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu (David O Hunt) writes:
>
>When is it? 

Last year (or earlier this year, I cannot remember).



FWA

obPeeve: people who spell "tattoo" "tatoo"
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 03:41:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.180743.17435@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz) writes:
>In article <16pfloINNo2a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:

[oops]
>>
>>	It quickly kills of the people who are too stupid to get
>>	treatment for an infection. Evolution at work, so to speak.
>>
>>
>>		-Karl
>

[etc.]

>Sorry, Karl, whoever you are, but you've just made a jerk out of
>yourself in front of thousands of people.

 i knew there were thousands of lurkers out there.
thanks for the verification, um, whoever you are.

> - Aliza R. Panitz
>  buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu 

tim
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From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: PA Details
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:32:32 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Could someone please send (via mail) a PRECISE description of the PA procedure? 
I'm very interested and would like details of the actual process.
(PLEASE - only from someone who already has a PA).

Thanks
-- 
tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                               __
"Whoever said 'getting there is half the fun'                           \/
    has never ridden in a class 8 probe!"
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: So what's wrong with rituals?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:34:12 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

I found a few items in the original post to be intriguing.
One was the idea that "yuppie scum" and "computer geeks" are
into rituals.  Hmm, most of the ritualists I know are
unrepentant overage hippies, or into various rebel lifestyles.
Thinking back on a lady I knew, once, who got her nose pierced
by a lady named Rain in a ritual in a tipi in a backyard in
Berkeley, somehow I find myself being skeptical of the premise. 
As far as computer geeks go, perhaps we have confused the
ritualist circuit with fandom or perhaps fantasy gaming?  Or
possibly the SCA?  (Hmm, don't know many yuppies who are really
into the SCA---they're too afraid of what the neighbors might
think.)  Personally, I can't think of anything more yuppie
than going to get your ears gun-pierced at the mall.

Trendy folks seem to be into getting things for yuppie
reasons---to acquire it and be part of a peer group.
Non-yuppie folks do things in offbeat ways, and do it for
personal reasons, having personal significance.  "Why did you
get your ears pierced?"  "So I could wear pierced earrings."
Watch a yuppie freak, if you say you did it for the experience.

I might also point out that in most of the cultures where
these things originated, *all* piercings and tattooings are done
in a ritual context.  Usually to do with rites of passage,
acquiring mystic powers, celebrating completion of some trial,
etc.  We're the weird ones.  We don't put emotional investment
into our actions in the way tribal peoples do.  Maybe it's too
threatening.

Personally, I've thought that getting tattooed with a ritual
Japanese design, the old way, all by hand, using bamboo
needles, and being invested with the qualities of the design,
the way old-style Japanese ritual tattooing was done, sounds
like it would be a neat experience, one I would like to have,
if only there weren't so few of the old Japanese masters left.
Guess that makes me a yuppie!

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

I was wearing black when everyone else was wearing
psychodelics.  You people are copying *me*.
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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: So what's wrong with rituals?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:43:11 GMT

In article <8244.17643@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes:
>I found a few items in the original post to be intriguing.
>One was the idea that "yuppie scum" and "computer geeks" are
>into rituals.

Whoa there, I said nothing of the sort!

Here's the appropriate sentence of <1992Aug25.213322.6181@microunity.com>:

>> For me, ear piercings are just decoration and part of my attempt
>> to stay out of the 'yuppie scum/computer dweeb' crew.

I'm talking about the reasons _I_ have piercings, NOT anything
about rituals OR why other people have piercings.


If I knew enough about the ritual piercing thing to make the
statement that "yuppie scum" and "computer geeks" are into rituals
then I'd already know enough about piercing rituals that I
wouldn't have asked about them in the first place...

[...]

>I might also point out that in most of the cultures where
>these things originated, *all* piercings and tattooings are done
>in a ritual context.  Usually to do with rites of passage,
>acquiring mystic powers, celebrating completion of some trial,
>etc.  We're the weird ones.  We don't put emotional investment
>into our actions in the way tribal peoples do.  Maybe it's too
>threatening.

Yea, but notice that most tribal peoples will assimilate
nearly all of the 'white mans' culture when they're exposed
to it fully.  It's only after being competely part of
the non-tribal, consume-till-you-drop culture that
we appreciate the advantages of tribal culture...


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  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:09:53 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <1992Aug25.213322.6181@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>In article <s!anpnk.slf@netcom.com> slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) writes:
>>For those of you who've known me for a while, I'm happy to say that I
>>am no longer a piercing virgin.  I took part in a piercing ritual this
>>weekend and I am now the proud owner of a 20-gauge hole in my left
>>earlobe, which was perforated by Fakir.
>
>I don't mean to be rude, but what's the appeal in getting something
>as mundane as an ear piercing done in a ritual?  I'm not trying
>to do any "my piercing's more outre' than yours" here, I'm just trying
>to understand this whole ritual thing.  For me, ear piercings are just
>decoration and part of my attempt to stay out of the 'yuppie scum/computer
>dweeb' crew.  
>

	I don't mean to be rude, but what's the appeal in getting something
	pierced in order to give yourself a strong enough sense of identity
	to allow you to feel you are not a part of some vaguely defined
	group of persons that you seem to find unappealing?

	Lighten up a bit.   You don't have to understand it.  If it made her
	happy and she hurt no one in the process, why not just be happy for
	her enjoyment?  Or do you really feel that getting your pecker
	ventilated is somehow a superior act to piercing a lowly ear?

>Is it that the part of a person that responds to ritual things
>is dead in me, or am I just clueless?

	How about just DIFFERENT.  That *does* happen you know.  I too have
	zero need of ritual, but if someone finds value in such things and they
	hurt no one in practicing them, then all I can say is "have fun".
>
	-Andy V.