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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Candlemass Quick Question (or two)
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:43:32 GMT

In article <Bz4GrE.AEx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:
>Sitting here listening to Candlemass' "Tales of Creation", I am prompted to
>ask if their other albums are as good?  I have seen Doomis Metallicus
>whateverus and Candlemass live...are these good, better than Tales, do they
>sound good live, do they have anymore, etc etc etc.
>
>Was also wondering what other groups in this type of genre that could be
>recommended.  I guess you would call it Doom (they even do in the Album name
>Doomis Metallicus), but it is almost more gothic.  I have Cathedral, I have
>Skyclad, and  was wondering what else I may get...not that skyclad is like
>Candlemass, but you know...thanks
>
>				the man

The other albums are about the same or better.

Epicu Doomicus Metallicus is their first, and the singer and lead guitar
player are hired hands. Still, it is definately Candlemass.

Nightfall, their 2nd, was the debut of Man Mountain Messiah Mercolin, and is
definately my favorite.

Ancient Dreams was a little simplistic, but not bad. Great Black Sabbath
medley on side 2! Still, they seemed to be short on ideas.

Tales Of Creation isn't bad, but they throw some speedmetal and such into
the fray, and sometimes it doesn't seem to work. But a good album.

Live is okay. They run through the best stuff from the previous albums, but
Messiah often destroys the mood by shouting "Oi Oi OI" and such shit at
the wrong moments. The sound is good, and the performance is hot.
Good sampler of their stuff.


Haven't heard any thing newer than that. I hear they have switched vocalists,
and are not as doomy now. Too bad. 
this is all IMHO, of course.
Pax
					--Judex--

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Skyclad... info needed!
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:30:01 GMT

In article <Bz2AGs.9sK@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mucds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Corey D. Stinson) writes:
>
>    I've been reading this and that about the band SkyClad, being
>compared somewhat to Manowar.  Would someone like to post some reviews,
>album lists, etc. about them.  I'm interested and may check them out.
>
>
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They were not being compared to Manowar. Someone posted that Skyclad should
be headlining the tour, not Manowar, and the whole thing really took off
when a dispute arose over whether Manowar sucked/was god/was american/
was english/was german/was whatever.

Skyclad has the old singer from Sabbat <don't know if he has learned to sing
yet though. B} ,> and plays good stuff. check it out, but I don't think it
will change your life or anything.

And Manowar is still from New York, People.
Pax
					--Judex--

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From: mcsdc1gm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.thrash
Subject: BOLT THROWER EDINBURGH LIVE TAPE
Date: 9 Dec 92 14:48:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



    ON SUNDAY 6TH DECEMBER I WENT TO SEE BOLT THROWER AT THE EDINBURGH
    VENUE.THE GIG WAS EXCELLENT.I RECORDED THE FIRST 45 MINS,MOST OF
    THE MAIN SET,SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GET A COPY,IT'S GOOD QUALITY
    BY THE WAY,EITHER SEND A TAPE AND RETURN POSTAGE + 10P OR SOMETHING
    FOR THE COVER(COPYING COSTS) OR 2 QUID FOR A TAPE PLUS YOUR SAE
    TO:   GRAHAM ENZK ZINE
          23 LINDEN AVENUE 
          NEWPORT ON TAY
          FIFE
          DD6 8DU           TEL: 0382 543332
          SCOTLAND      

     ALSO I INTERVIEWED KARL AS WELL AFTER THE GIG SO THAT WILL
     BE IN ISSUE 3 OF MY FANZINE OUT HOPEFULLY ABOUT FEB 93.



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From: lavonius@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Subject: Re: Candlemass Quick Question (or two)
Organization: Cthulhoid Entities for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.020126.24338@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:

   I have Candlemass's LIVE, and I enjoy it very much. It contains "The Well Of
   Souls," "Through The Infinitive Halls Of Death," "Mirror, Mirror," "The
   Sorcerer's Pledge" (one of my favorites), "At The Gallows End" (another of
   my favorite songs here), and "Dark Are The Veils Of Death" and a couple othe
   That was my first taste of Candlemass and if I can find their albums I'll
   be getting some of their other stuff. I hear the newest one (an import) is
   very different because Messiah Marcolin is with Count Raven now.

What ? When did this happen ?

And, being one of the net.cndlmss.heds I'd like again to recommend two of the
best big C records: Nightfall and Ancient Dreams. The VI album is IMO good,
but, as you said, very different. If you like Tony Martin, the newest is
probably your game too. 

   philip
   Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
--
Ville Lavonius	        University of Helsinki, Dept. of Computer Science
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : "Military intelligence - two words combined that
                           can't make sense.

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: SKYCLAD
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:54:18 GMT

In article <Byy2MG.FG2@cck.coventry.ac.uk> lsh078@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Judge) writes:
>In article <Byw37w.7v4@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> u0g78@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk (Martin N. Steed) writes:
>>After reading the comparisons here between ManOwaR and Skyclad, I went out
>>and bought their album, "Wayward Sons of Mother Earth" and whilst it is
>>_very_ good, its nothing at all like ManOwaR.
>>
>>Anyway, have Skyclad released anything else?
>>
>
>Yes, their second album "A Burnt Offering For The Bone Idol" was released
>last Easter, and they have recently released an EP titled " Tracks From THe
>Wilderness", which features a studio version of the live favourite cover
>Emerald by Thin Lizzy (with a guest appearance by Brian Robertson.)
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>*  "How can we know the cost of everything, and never see its worth ?"   *
>*                             (Skyclad)                                  *
>* The Judge                                  e-mail: lsh078@cck.cov.ac.uk*

Has the guy from Sabbat learned to sing yet?
Pax
					--Judex--

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From: lsh078@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Judge)
Subject: Re: SKYCLAD
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:57:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.135418.6293@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>In article <Byy2MG.FG2@cck.coventry.ac.uk> lsh078@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Judge) writes:
>>In article <Byw37w.7v4@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> u0g78@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk (Martin N. Steed) writes:
>>>After reading the comparisons here between ManOwaR and Skyclad, I went out
>>>and bought their album, "Wayward Sons of Mother Earth" and whilst it is
>>>_very_ good, its nothing at all like ManOwaR.
>>>
>>>Anyway, have Skyclad released anything else?
>>>
>>
>>Yes, their second album "A Burnt Offering For The Bone Idol" was released
>>last Easter, and they have recently released an EP titled " Tracks From THe
>>Wilderness", which features a studio version of the live favourite cover
>>Emerald by Thin Lizzy (with a guest appearance by Brian Robertson.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>**************************************************************************
>>*  "How can we know the cost of everything, and never see its worth ?"   *
>>*                             (Skyclad)                                  *
>>* The Judge                                  e-mail: lsh078@cck.cov.ac.uk*
>
>Has the guy from Sabbat learned to sing yet?
>Pax
>					--Judex--
>
Yes- the speed of Skyclad is a littler slower and allows him to keep up. ;-)

He is also better live in Skyclad than he was in Sabbat. For those who have 
not seen them live, a song not be missed is Widdershins Jig. When I saw them
in Sheffield UK last Easter, the front four rows of the pit was one serious
session of folk dancing (complete with a circle of about 30, spinning and
moshing at the same time).

-- 
**************************************************************************
*  "How can we know the cost of everything, and never see its worth ?"   *
*                             (Skyclad)                                  *
* The Judge                                  e-mail: lsh078@cck.cov.ac.uk*
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Manowar / Spinal Tap
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:41:28 GMT

I saw Manowar's HAIL TO ENGLAND album last night for $17.00 and unfortunately
I didn't have the cash and the store didn't have anything else I would have
wanted to get (there was a credit card minimum) so I couldn't get it. 

Well, aside from the GIRLSCHOOL CD I found last night, I also got the THIS IS
SPINAL TAP soundtrack. I wonder if the new Spinal Tap album is as good as this
one? I heard "Bitch School" and was not too impressed, but "Majesty Of Rock"
was pretty funny and made me reconsider.

philip



Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
From: ti_hunt@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: W.A.S.P???
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:46:24 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Dec14.163350.5094@seas.gwu.edu>, pan2765@seas.gwu.edu (Crazyman Pan) writes:
> In article <1ggu9fINNlq3@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> sohaneps@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Patrick S Sohaney) writes:
> 
>>Any word on any new stuff???  Where's Lawless and the rest???  All this  
>>grunge metal is fantastic, but I'd like to hear some more of the stuff my  
>>generation was poisoned with!!!
> 
> Gee, I'd hate to you but the poison has been quite watered-down as of recent.
> Not that WASP's music isn't appealing any more, it's just appealing in a
> different sort of way.  Then again, I've only gotten into WASP very recently
> and have only heard snippets of the older stuff (my favorite album is Live...
> In The Raw).  Their latest album is The Crimson Idol, apparently released in
> Canada and pre-released in the US at concerts (I got one after a concert).  It
> was classified by Blackie as a "Rock Opera."  He probably meant something along
> the lines of "Rock Epic" more than "opera."  Anyhow, the music is good, but 
> seems to me to be quite different than the older stuff.
> 
> 						-- Crazyman Pan
> 
> (I'd rather be playing guitar...)
> 
Who's playing in the band now? Is the Quiet Riot drummer playing for
him? 

-Taz
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From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater ???????????????????
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:25:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.134839.6152@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.123805.21289@npal.rn.com> cthomas@npal.rn.com writes:
>>In article <rcaldwel.723478378@ponder>, rcaldwel@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Roger Caldwell) writes:
>>> Has anyone heard of this group?  What is their background?
>>> 
>>> thanks roger
>>> -- 
>>> rcaldwel@unt.edu
>>> .sig file MIA.
>>	I have the Dream Theater CD.  I am not sure from your comment if you've
>>heard much of their stuff or not but the album is pretty good.  The music
>>is a progressive heavy-metal sort of like Fates Warning, actually a lot like
>>Fates Warning with better vocals.  Overall the album is light and jazzy
>>with a few heavy Metallica style rythms.  If you like Fates Warning you'll
>>love Dream Theater
>>
>>					CHUCKBILL
>>
>>	Mine goes to 11!
>
>Better vocals than Fates? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
>
>I still love Dream Theater, but lets be realistic here.
>
	Well, a fellow a.rnr.m.h 'er and I swapped tunes not too long ago.  I
got him to send me Fates' Warning's Parallels and Dream Theater's Images and
Words.  I must say that DT's vocalist blows away Fates' Warning's.  Fates'
singer tries to sound like Goeff Tate too much, anyway.

Still at the bottom of the heap,
						  Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
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From: rfraer@ens-lyon.fr (Ranan Fraer)
Subject: IRON MAIDEN FLUCTUATIONS
Reply-To: rfraer@ens-lyon.fr
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:48:37 GMT


From rfraer@ens-lyon.fr (Ranan Fraer)
Subject: IRON MAIDEN'S FLUCTUATIONS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:38:47 GMT

     I am a great Maiden fan but I don't know exactly in what groups some of the actual/old memebers of Maiden have played before/after being in Maiden.

1.PAUL DI'ANNO
 I heard about:
    PAUL DI'ANNO BAND and two albums:
      "Fighting back"
      "Children of madness"

    LONEWOLF ?

    KILLERS ? 

2.BRUCE DICKINSON
 I heard about:
    SAMSON and two albums:
      "Head on"
      "Shock tactics"

    BRUCE DICKINSON (I know the componence)
      "Tatooed millionaire

3.CLIVE BURR
 I heard about:
     TRUST where he replaced Nicko Mc Brain but i never saw a TRUST album where one of this 2 drummers appear.(I know the albums and the componence)

     DESPERADO with Dee Snider(voc),Bernie Torme(gui),Mark Russell(bass)
(By the way has anybody heard something else about Bernie Torme ?)
    No album known for DESPERADO.


   I am really interested of knowing all the albums,years,componences for the previously mentioned bands.Thank you!


                                              Long Live Rock'n'Roll!



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From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: W.A.S.P???
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:55:50 GMT

In article <1ggu9fINNlq3@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> sohaneps@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Patrick S Sohaney) writes:
>Any word on any new stuff???  Where's Lawless and the rest???  All this  
>grunge metal is fantastic, but I'd like to hear some more of the stuff my  
>generation was poisoned with!!!

	They (that is, Lawless is the only remaining original member so it's
hard to consider them WASP) put out an album this summer!   Either you're aware
of this and completely impatient, or you don't know about it, probably because
the album isn't readily available in the US.  Canada's a different story,
though :-)  I'll let the WASP fanatics (which I'm not) fill you in the details.

Oppressing the masses,
						  Big Al the Devil's Pal!!
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From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Subject: Annihilator question...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:29:05 GMT

Hullo, fans,

  I have never heard Annihilator, and was wondering if someone could give me
  a frame of reference.  are they any good, what is their best, etc. what do
  they sound like, who could you compare them to, etc.  Thanks all...

							the man
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From: donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Fates Warning!
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:12:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.144512.4578@memstvx1.memst.edu> mech14017020@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>I was wondering, what are some of Fates Warning's early albums? I understand
>that they are hard to find because the record company doesn't see proffit in 
>re-releasing them. I sure can't find any around here. I have 'Paralells' and 
>a bootleg copy of the album with 'Anarchy Divine' on it. Unfortunately, like
>most bootlegs, the sound quality is terrible and it's almost as bad as not
>having the album at all.
>I think Ray Alder is a great singer, although he will never be as great as 
>Geoff Tate. And speaking of Geoff Tate, when is Queensryche going to release
>a new album? I can hardly contain myself.
>
>		Troy

Fates Warning Discography:

Night On Brocken <Metal Blade> John Arch was the original singer and they had a 
different guitarist. Very Maiden-esque, although you can hear the beginnings
of their later sound in songs like "Damnation". Not bad, bunch of different
releases for this one, I have seen at least 3 different album covers.
I also saw this about 2 months back on CD, released as part of Metal
Balde's "Metal Classics" line of slightly cheaper CD's.

The Spectre Within <Metal Blade>

A personal favorite. Production is better, but still not quite there. Arch
really starts to come into hs own, showing a very distinctive approach
on songs like "Orphan Gypsy" and "Without A Trace". The guitars shine too,
of course. New Rhythm/2nd lead guitarist Frank Aresti joins up. <He is still
there too>

Awaken The Guardian <Metal Blade>

The production takes a serious notch upwards. Fine performances all around,
good material. I like "TSW" a tad better but this is a fine album, really
started to get them noticed in the press.

NO Exit <Metal Blade>
Jon Arch left the band to be with his wife and children. New vocalist
Ray Alder debuts with a strong album, excellent songs, great production
job., although Alder's vocal production is a little "blurry" with delay
at times. Sidelong conceptual piece: "The Ivory Gate Of Dreams" introduces
more classical guitar and acoustic piano, points to new directions.
"Anarchy Divine" is classic! Great album.

Perfect Symmetry <Metal blade>

A somewhat morose album, very gloomy in some ways <not doom metal or anything>.
New Drummer Mark Zonder shows amazing ability on songs like "At Fates Hands"
and others. The guitar playing is as excellent as always, nice production,
Ray really starts to assert his own style here, and his voice is less
smeared than on "No Exit". Fine stuff, just kinda depressing.

Parallels <Metal Blade>
Building on the more progressive approach of the previous two albums,
this is a great album of fine craftd songs. The experimentalism of
the past two albums is replaced with a more confident, polished
approach, incorporating exotic ideas and such nto the song structures.
Very emotional! 

Hope this helps.
Pax
					--Judex--
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Candlemass Quick Question (or two)
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:18:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA



Candlemass is melodic doom metal band:
EPICUS DOOMICUS METALLICUS was done with  guest singer (forgot the name).
Then Messiah Marcolin had joined the band.He has kinda opera voice, but
fucking A

NIGTFALL - the best IMO album
ANCIENT DREAMS - kinda boring with some descent tunes.BLACK SABBATH MEDLEY
(cover of sabs songs is kinda funny)
TALES OF CREATION - kinda heavy doomy stuff.
CANDLEMASS LIVE - OK
Messiah had left
CHAPTER VI was witgh new singer.It's rather artmetal then doom!


Leonid,
             
              Boston,

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From: Andrew_Miller@camelot.apana.org.au (Andrew Miller)
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Subject: Re: Manowar is NOT HEAVY METAL!!!!
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Date: 18 Dec 92 00:39:34 EST
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Love it!! I take it you like them a bit... myself I have Horrorscope and
think it is bloody awesome, what other one's are any good, or as good.. and
when is the new one coming out!?!?!





     Me.



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From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
Subject: Re: Headbangers Ball?????
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:50:36 GMT

Dark Lord of the Sith (caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: 
:                           ...Look at the intro and commercial break pieces
: for the show, with the Pantera holler of "Hostile!".  This is the stuff that
: heavy metal is *usually* associated with.  They play that thing, and then
: they put on pussy rock.  That's bull.  

I never did understand that.  They play SOD in the intro, and yet you never
hear anything heavy on the ball.  It's not like the videos aren't out there,
except for older stuff, but they just don't get played.  Overkill videos
exist back to Taking Over, when was the last time they played any of that?

--
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