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From: upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American communities (was Law of diminishing returns)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:44:13 GMT

In <10268@inews.intel.com> sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) writes:
>The biggest problems in the Bay Area, IMHO, are the high cost of living
>and degradation of the environment from too much growth.  Racism
>generated by "too many Asian Americans" is not the biggest problem.
>While there are racial incidents, I say that the Bay Area is generally a
>tolerant place (but very expensive).
Yeah, I'm from Foster City, by way of Daly City.  The Bay Area is generally
a tolerant place.  Like any other metropolitan area, there are some bad spots.
I found the place to be very comfortable but, like Jeff says, expensive.

>I now live in part of the Bay Area (San Jose) that is about 35% Asian 
>American).  It is very comfortable here.  Lots of good Asian restaurants
>and only 10 minutes away from running trails.  We don't have skinheads
>coming through protesting any kind of "invasion."  I only wish that I
>could afford to buy a house here (now that's a big Bay Area problem!).
The biggest joke in my youth group was all of us entering a place.  My
youth group was a part of the Foster City Chinese Club, one of the larger
Chinese clubs on the peninsula if my sources are right.  We always joked
about an "Asian Invasion" since there were around 30-60 of us when we did
something as a group.
My comment to the expense of living in the Bay Area, try moving north to
Seattle.  The housing is less expensive and, there is a large Asian 
community there.


--
Mathew Wayne Yee
upsi1@mcl.ucsb.edu              or                    psi1@engrhub.ucsb.edu
"This life is a test - it is only a test.  If this had been an actual life,
 you would have been told where to go and what to do!"
From: oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: culture, heritage
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:14:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.221504.27298@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
> Obviously, I'm being
>sarcastic here, but the media very much presents the view that American==white,
>and that anyone Asian-looking or Hispanic-looking (whatever those terms
>mean) must be a recently immigrated foreigner, whereas in reality, a
>lot of Latin and Asian Americans have been here a lot longer than a lot
>of European Americans.

Several years ago, I read about the racist incidents which were endured by 
some Vietnamese families in the Boston area.  One incident involved a group
of whites gathering around the home of a Vietnamese family.  The ironic thing
was that many of the people in this crowd were recent immigrants from Yugo-
slavia.  When the group began to chant "We were here first!", many of them
did so in heavily accented English!

-- 


						Woody Oshiro
						oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Do we need a special AA language?(AA literary culture),Immunize Art
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:35:09 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr9.214115.23241@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
 
|>   What I'm trying to say is that unless you're a writer it's a bit
|> presumptuous to be giving advice to writers... artists 
|> choose their medium for professional/artistic reasons; not for 
|> political reasons (unless they are also political activists, but it's
|>  not fair to categorically place such an expectation on them).   
|> 
|>   Now, Andrew, why not take some of your own advice... start using
|>  your AA language in your math papers.  Make sure AA mathematicians
|>   get full credit in your references...  If you do that, then maybe
|>  others will take your advice more seriously.  On the other hand, if
|>  you think math should be immune from AA politics, then I bet a 
|>  lot of artists think art should be just as immune.  

You've bought Franklin's strawman.  Read my original posting.
I was only suggesting a program by which writers who were
interested in establishing an AA literary culture could do so,
and pointing out the difficulties they face in the status quo.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:40:59 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj)
Distribution: na
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Apr8.234057.7103@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak) writes:

>However, I do think that there aren't too many stereotypes against white people
>in this country AS A RACE, i.e. stereotypes specifically about them because of
>their *race*.

How about:

All whites are prejudiced against *.

All white men beat their wives.

All white males repress females.

All white males are power-mad.

For a few.

In case you're not sure that these exist, I've observed
these particular stereotypes in action in the last week.
I've also observed lots of asian stereotypes, black stereotypes,
female stereotypes, and so on.

They're just more stereotypes.

All stereotypes are dehumanizing, because they remove some essential
part of being human, i.e. the ability to self-determine one's actions.

Down with stereotypes.
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From: chenh@athena.ecs.csus.edu ( h philip chen )
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: Considerate
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 08:03:41 GMT

hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>chin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>>
>>Right on!  Being so Americanized, we can only think of our immediate
>>self-interests.  :-/
>
>	Right on!  U r the 1st one here to show that u hold the same belief
>	as I.  Yes.
>	Being Americanized = being less considerate.

uhm... what about those un-Americanized dudes/dudettes who have a 
darn *habit* of showing up late for appointments/meetings/classes?  
yup, like they're some VIPs!  are they more (or less) considerate, 
or just plain inconsiderate?  are they thinking about themselves 
only, or do they really care if the other people around them will 
get irritated by their actions?  i thought the first thing that 
people should do when they come to America is to adjust their watches!
(oh.. ok, if available, and batteries not included:-))

no offense to those who genuinely cannot make it on time -- i'm 
talking about those who have a HABIT of showing up late each and 
every time.  these tardy bums definitely aren't management material 
-- they can't even manage their own time.  thank goodness that 
not everyone around is like that.


just my 2 cents,

-philip chenh@neptune.ecs.csus.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Subject: Re: Will America fall?   teeter, teeter 
Keywords: predestination
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.202555.28543@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>>give me a example that one contry prospers forever 
>Most countries do not "prosper" forever simply because of the tendency of
>regression towards the mean.  
 
  Depends what you mean by "country."  Political entities come and
 go, but certain cultural/geographical groups such as the europeans
 and the japanese have "prospered" for a long time, give or take 
 a plague and upheaval or two.   The middle east is an example of
  an area which has regressed.   I don't know enough about chinese
  history to know if china was ever as prosperous as europe or not,
  in the sense of well-fed peasants.  In any case, I suspect China 
  is also an example of a country which has regressed.  
  But I don't think regression is inevitable... Europe has been
 prosperous (relative to Africa and Asia) for hundreds of years 
  and there is no significant decline... 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: One more time on this (AA spokesperson)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.201930.16572@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>In article <57340@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Hey, why not an Asian
>>
>>- Eddie Murphy
>
>Asian comics are a very rare breed.  I don't know whether this is common in
>Asians in Asian, but I have met more than a few 1st-generation Asians who
>do not get any joke whatsoever.  Not that they are trying to be difficult
>or offended; they simply take everything literally and do not see the
>"alternative" meaning of a phrase necessary to get a joke.  Is this inability
>to get jokes common?  (If this *is* a common trait, it is discouraging to
>those of us who want to be comics for Asian audiences :-)


  It seems that way for 1st-generation "Oriental" people.  But I think
  Filipinos have a great sense of humor.  My parents (Chinese) are very
  serious, but my friends' parents (Filipino) are always making jokes
  and laughing.  It's definitely much more fun to be with older generation
  that have great sense of humor.

  On another note, there is a great tradition of Jewish comedians.
  George Burns comes to mind.  I went to a taping of HA-TV and I
  was one of the few non-Jews there.  There were so many funny jokes.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 15:44:54 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Social Spending Constitutional? (was Re: Asian Immigrants)
 	<YdrWPVG00Uh783h4Nn@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Apr5.041953.24958@agora.uucp> <MDAY.92Apr5184812@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
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Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
 6-Apr-92  Re: Social Spending Constit..  Dean Calloway@andrew.cmu (1186)   
>the Constitution anything about building freeways or ballparks or
>stadiums or giving loans to Chrysler and Amtrak, does that mean we're
>prohibited from doing thaat too?  According to your logic, half the

Yes, I know, I made a mistake with ballparks and stadiums.  Insert,
maybe, instead national parks,... Lawrence Welk memorabilia museums...
etc.
From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American amateur athletes
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:35:18 GMT
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University, New York City

In article <1992Apr9.182436.29409@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.063409.13725@cheshire.oxy.edu> ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
>>Jeff Sedayao (sp?) mentioned being a runner...I'm a runner, too, and

Me too.  Me too.

>>all throughout high school it was never a big deal...well, not at _my_
>>high school...but then I went to college and joined the cross country 
>>team, and dude...lost among a crowd of long-legged, slender-built Cauca-
>>sians. All of a sudden I felt really, really silly. Not to stereotype,

I'm only a recreational runner/racer.  Haven't won anything yet.  It just 
take some time.  A year from now, I should be winning regularly.  anyway,
winning is not a big deal; just have fun.  You can look at it this way: You
are computing with yourself (your "old self").  Also, keep in mind how winners
come into being and who produce the winners--the non-winners.

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  Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)	   Internet:  hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
  Interests (Member of):
  Columbia University Amateur Radio Club (CUARC-<>-W2AEE)  *Founded, 1913*
  The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
  New York Road Runners Club  -&-  Columbia University Road Runners Club 
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Summary: What is ethnicity?
Keywords: ethnicity
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:57:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.234057.7103@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com
(James Pak) more or less intelligently writes:
>... However,
>I do think that there aren't too many stereotypes against white people
>in this country AS A RACE, i.e. stereotypes specifically about them because of
>their *race*.  I'm not talking specific ethnic backgrounds like Polish,
>Jewish,
>etc., I'm talking *race*, the way we have stereotypes against black people or
>Asian people.  White people in this country can't be pigeonholed specifically
>because of race.

Without commenting on the validity (or lack thereof) of Mr. Pak's
exposition, it should be noted that "Asian" does not refer to a race.
It connotes a geographical reference.  Both Russians and Indians are
in Asia, but neither is a member of the Mongoloid race.

Mr. Pak's statement of "... black people or Asian people ..." should
be converted to "... black people or Oriental people ...".  "Oriental"
is sufficiently descriptive to connote the Mongoloid race.

In any event, Mr. Pak should be applauded for being able to distinguish
between "race" and "ethnicity", which is a subset of the former.  Many
people who identify with Chinese culture seem unable to do so.  Examples
can be found in soc.culture.china.  (I suspect that Mr. Pak is not
Chinese.)

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From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Engineers (was Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:37:27 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

In article <MDAY.92Apr16103834@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>   kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>   > tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>   >Just because you don't score say 500 on SAT English does not mean you can't
>   >be successful in college.  It doesn't mean you can't be a good engineer
>   >either.
>
>   Of course not.  Just as you can be a good engineer despite lacking
>   communication skills.  But gaining those skills can make you an even better
>   one.  
>
>Do people really think this is true?
>
>A lot depends on what we mean by a "good" engineer.  Sometimes people
>think that a good engineer is someone who, working alone, gets the
>right answer to a problem.  Unfortunately, for real engineers this
>skill is much less important than understanding an ill-formed problem,
>solving a problem with a team of other people, and convincing others
>to accept the solution.  None of those is possible without
>communication skills.
>
>So I don't believe what either of the above people agreed on: that you
>can be a good engineer despite lacking communication skills.  You can
>succeed in engineering school despite poor communication skills, but
>that's a different matter.

You've got a point here--one that I suspect, but, not having much experience
in these conditions, can't assert.  (I try not to make statements *too* much
out of thin air :-)
From: houch@mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Female Infanticide in China
Date: 31 Mar 92 17:31:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>In article <1992Mar21.063203.10304@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>>Mr. Houchens point is that live BIRTHS, not mortality rates, should
>>be approximately equal over a long period of time.  A big dispararity
>>in the number of males born per capita and the number of females
>>born per capita would support the supposition that infanticide is

Actually, I said said that a big disparity in the world-wide ratio and
China's ratio would be evidence of infanticide.  It's a fact that the
ratio is not 1; however, the ration should relatively equal across
different populations.

>No. In rule China, there used to have birth control policy that if first child
>is a girl in a family, the family can have second child, if first child is
>a boy, the family can only have one child. That is the cause of the 
>"dispararity".  

This would make no difference in the ratios.  Birth is an independent
event, which is not predicated on the sex of a prior sibling (So that
the couple that first has a girl is no more likely to have a boy next
than a girl.)

-- Jim
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Asian-American Filmmakers (was Asians in Movies)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:19:27 GMT

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Apr6174114@heron.cs.rochester.edu> yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

>Are there *any* Asian-Americans directing or writing feature films today?

     I can't think of any who are doing the big-name studio films, but
there are several doing independent films.  Probably the best known is
Wayne Wang ("Chan is Missing"  "Dim Sum"  "Life is Cheap").  The last
one got into some controversy when it came out a couple of years ago
because it got an "X" rating (but it is not a pornographic film) and
it was one of the films that got the MPAA to create the NC17 category.
    And there's the guy, whose name I forget, who made "A Great Wall."
And I assume that "The Wash" was made by a Japanese-American, although
I don't have any idea who.

-- Mike Tamada
   Occidental College
   tamada@oxy.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: it1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Tsai)
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:10:30 GMT

jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak) writes:
>And one more thing.  This newsgroup doesn't exist for me to try to get dates
>from it.  It exists for discussion; if the discussion gets heated, then so be
>it.  Therefore, I don't particularly care which women I do or don't "treat"
>in a friendly manner here, and I also don't care for the old "if you were nicer
>to us, we'd have gone out with you" line.  I'm not a child who has to be mani-
>pulated that way, and neither is any other Asian male here.  If I've got to be
>phony-nice to get respect from women, then I'm not interested anyway.

  I'll agree with that.  James will argue with anybody,
regardless of sex.  :-) :-)

  Tim
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian comedians (was One more time on this (AA spokesperson))
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:16:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

[discussion about the lack of Asian comedians]
There is one standup comic named Henry Cho whom I saw on PBS.  I think he is
one of the funniest if not the funniest comic I have heard in years.  He was
also on one episode of "Designing Women" about two years ago.  My boss (who
is not Asian) thinks he is very funny also.

I also think Jackie Chan is pretty funny although he is not a comic.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American Food (?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:44:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <8APR199216454730@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
->To keep this thread going, what about
->
->Green Tea Ice Cream
->
->It sounds horrible but it's actually pretty
->good.  I never had the stuff in the old country.
->I first had it in a Japanese restaurant in LA
->ca 1978.  Anybody know who invented this?
->-- Makoto

I had it in Thai restaurants.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: luke@milton.u.washington.edu (Marvin Luke)
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:19:10 GMT

In article <10403@inews.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>In article <upsi1.702938653@mcl>, upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) wri
tes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.220915.23625@u.washington.edu> gwanggung@milton.u.washi
ngton.edu writes:
>> My comment to the expense of living in the Bay Area, try moving north to
>> Seattle.  The housing is less expensive and, there is a large Asian
>> community there.
>I sure the people of Seattle want to hear that. :-)  They really despise
>Californians in that area.

>>>        Nahh.....we don't despise Californians.

>>>        We just use 'em for Uzi target practice.

Unless of course they are young, single, female, and Asian American.
In that case just bring your California tan up I-5 to Seattle. I promise,
everyone will be nice and.......

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