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From: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: RE: NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DE
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:28:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1bcqltINNc4c
Reply-To: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) says:

>-> >  I own a Nak Cassette Deck2 and think it's probably a miracle tape
>-> deck >for the price.  I was also considering the top of the line
>-> Denon at the >time, but the Nak sounded way better (in my opinion) in
>-> recording and in >playback than the Denon.  The Denon are also very
>-> good, my 2nd choice to >the Nakamichi, and have many more features.
>-> As for Sony, Sony stinks!
>-> How do you think the Nak compares against the Teac V5000?  I read
>-> rave reviews about the Teac.
>
>  Well, the Teac's are also good.  But the Teac V5000 costs more than a
>Nak Cassette Deck 2, so all in all, the Nak is a better buy compared to
>a Teac of similar price.  I think the Teac is geared more towards
>professional users and guys who are really into recording.  The
>Nakamichi Dragon and CR-7A are also wonderful tape decks, look sharp,
>but cost alot!

	My father purchased a Sony 677-ES tape deck 6 months ago. It 
has been a wonderful deck, but seems to be very tape brand variable. Using
TDK MX-A Metal, it comes very close to the level of the Nakimichi, but at
a substantual lower price. However, all type I's, and most type II's seem
to suffer. ( you do have to adjust the bias though, but with an MPI, it
is relatively trivial )
	When he was doing extensive in home tests, he found the 677 was
better then the two more expensive Sony's. One of the high points of the 
Sony is that it has two inputs, one regular and another CD direct. Since
his Denon CD player has two analogue outputs - one variable, one fixed -
this enables one to make excellent recordings. The signal only travels along
a 1/2 meter cable ( and NOT through the pre-amp, he does moniter the record-
ing [ its a three head ] and compares it with the CD output with the MPI )

	From our experience, once you buy a decent three head deck, the 
major differences seems to be in the tweaking of the deck. Most never come
correctly set from the factory. ( a $400 deck with $100 invested in proper
tuning will sound better 95% of the time than a $800 one right out of the
box )
-- 
	So there I was, snuggled in the leather seat of my brand new Ferreri.
I had the oiled wood gear shift in one hands, and the leather wrapped Momo in
the other. And, I had the stereo cranking _Born to be Wild_...
	Only one problem, I was unside down, under six feet of water...
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: daniel@netcom.com (Sam Daniel)
Subject: Re: D->A Converter Recommendation
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:02:20 GMT

vern@canopus.Kodak.COM (Mark Vernacotola ) writes:

>Does any one have any recommendations for separate (outboard) D->A converters
>with a maximum price range of ~$4000?  (i.e. Mark Levinson #30 -- except cheaper)

I personally think the Audio Research DAC1-20 is excellent, and
extremely musical.  Price is somewhere between $3500 - $4000.

-- 
*
*
Sam Daniel          *   UUCP (Smart):  daniel@netcom.com
Paramax Systems     *         (Dumb):  {...}!uunet!netcom!daniel
1001 W. Maude Ave.  *          Voice:  1-408-235-2661
Sunnyvale, CA 95131 *     Disclaimer:  It's only my opinion, but it's
                                       a DAMN good one...
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From: Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Problems dealing with this mail order outfit
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 18:19:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Oct8.164348.22997@col.hp.com>

>    One of the items I bought was a Sony walkman for $99.
>    ... I got the extended warranty (maybe $12 for
>    two years).  
> 
>    Sure enough, 10 months later, I started having a serious
>    problem with one of the connections (cackling noise).
>    I brought it back.  They listened to the noise, and
>    gave me another one with no other questions asked.
>    
>    There you go.

----------

No, there THEY go.  You spent $12 on nothing, since it
broke while under SONY's warranty, and not under the
purchased one.  You would have been given a new one
even without the extended warranty, since it died 
before the extended warranty went into effect.

If they claim that the extended warranty started on 
the original purchase date, they are devious scum, 
and don't deserve your future business.  If they are
somehow selling SONY equipment with less than a year
of mfg. warranty, the same opinion holds (unless SONY
doesn't normally include it, in which case SONY is
the scum, and I am ranting about nothing).

You should at the very least insist that the extended
warranty you already purchased now cover the new Walkman 
(starting when IT is a year old).  If they can't transfer
it, demand your money back on the warranty (it WAS unused) 
and buy another one if you are so inclined.

====================
The Good Guys is one of the companies that actually honors it's EW's. I have
bought from them in the past, and when equipment has broken, it was an
automatic replacement.

I bought an Aiwa HJ909 tape deck in June 1989 and got the EW on it ($29 extra
on a $300 deck. BTW, it was a "walkman" type deck). Last April, it would not
keep a charge on the batteries. I changed batteries, and the problem was still
there.

I took it in to The Good Guys, with the EW paperwork, and was given the HJ707,
which is a better unit, with additional features, and they also replaced both
of my batteries that the old unit destroyed.

Now, overall, I would not buy EW's. But on electronics goods from The Good
Guys, yes. They honor their EW's.

The value on the poster of the first message I included was great! Have you
ever had to return a unit to Sony for warranty repair? It takes MONTHS to get
your unit back (Data Discman was there for 12 weeks). The money ($12 I
believe) was well worth it for not having the unit out for weeks or months.

Renee Roberts
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: optical vs. coax digital interconnects
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:20:27 GMT

In article <ldfelaINN459@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com writes:
>I'm considering upgrading my audio system with a new CD player and external
>D/A, but I'm not sure if I should get a player/converter with optical or
>coax digital interconnects.  [...]

>Any ideas would be much appreciated, as this is a fairly substantial
>investment for me.

Now, did you want Toslink optical, AT&T glass fiber, or a proprietary
optical interface?  Unbalanced coax or balanced?  Frame-modified edge
recognition topology or ultra-low intransigence extended coding schema?
Magnetohydrodynamic bitstream modulation or monophyletic endogenous
mitochondrial insertion?  Hypersynchronous subhysteresis quadruplexing
or trellis-modulated Limpel-Ziv-Huffman-Linkwitz-Riley subcode buffering?
Smoking or non-smoking?  Plain or bessel-filter tipped?  Regular or 
menthol?

Trygve    (General consenus seems to be the the best available connection
           is AT&T glass fiber, followed by balanced, unbalanced coax,
           distantly followed by Toslink optical, and leaving a trail of
           breadcrumbs for the digital signals to follow between the 
           transport and D/A converter.)
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Black rubber CD rings - Any good ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:03:09 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct14.172148.7135@mprgate.mpr.ca> mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain McVey) writes:
>Summary:  If your player has a cheap, shaky transport (does it skip when
>you slam a door) then you will probably notice a difference.  If you
>move up to a player with a solid transport ( you have to bounce it
>around pretty hard to get it to skip), you will probably not notice any
>difference.

Interesting, as this matches my own hypothesis.  Feels to me like, IF
you believe the makers' arguments for why these rings work (not saying
I do, but just for the sake of argument) then by my reasoning they
ought to have a strong effect on less well-engineered players, and no
effect on really good players.  One of life's little ironies, because
it's the people with high-end stuff who tend to buy tweaks like this.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: dwd@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Diamond )
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Any Info on Kirksaeter Speakers?
Summary: Request for Info on Kirksaeter Speakers
Keywords: Kirksaeter Speakers
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:09:14 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


 I received a strong recomendation from Amerisound, a Florida mailorder
company, for Kirksaeter 123 speakers from Germany.  I have not heard of
them and wonder if any information is available.  Amerisound seems to 
import them directly from Germany, and offers them on a satisfaction
or your money back basis.
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From: iac!simpson@uunet.uu.net (Scott Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Problems dealing with this mail order outfit
Keywords: Electronic Wholesalers, Mitsubishi U57 VCR
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: iac!simpson@uunet.uu.net
Followup-To: rec.audio
Distribution: usa
Organization: Investment Technology Group, Culver City, CA

In article <20403@fritz.filenet.com> daver@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Richards) writes:
>about who the members are).  Most people already know about their recourses
>available through their credit card company.

Your recourses through your credit card company are practically nil.
The July 1992 Consumer Reports has an article entitled "Remember the
One About the Ape and the Camcorder?" that basically says that most of
the credit card companies have dropped all their automatic warranty
coverage when you use their cards. Notice you don't see the ads on the
TV anymore? The coverages that do exist have so many exclusions it is
misleading to even call it a warranty. The reasons for discontinuing
the coverage were that insurance coverages on the cards were becoming
outrageous. The best selection of a credit card is the lowest annual
fee and the interest rate.
-- 
Scott Simpson, Investment Technology Group, iac!simpson@uunet.uu.net
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: RE: NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DE
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> >  I own a Nak Cassette Deck2 and think it's probably a miracle tape
-> deck >for the price.  I was also considering the top of the line
-> Denon at the >time, but the Nak sounded way better (in my opinion) in
-> recording and in >playback than the Denon.  The Denon are also very
-> good, my 2nd choice to >the Nakamichi, and have many more features.
-> As for Sony, Sony stinks!
-> How do you think the Nak compares against the Teac V5000?  I read
-> rave reviews about the Teac.

  Well, the Teac's are also good.  But the Teac V5000 costs more than a
Nak Cassette Deck 2, so all in all, the Nak is a better buy compared to
a Teac of similar price.  I think the Teac is geared more towards
professional users and guys who are really into recording.  The
Nakamichi Dragon and CR-7A are also wonderful tape decks, look sharp,
but cost alot!


Erich Lim
erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
From: finton@barney.cs.wisc.edu (David J. Finton)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DECK 2
Summary: how's it compare with Teac v5000?
Keywords: Nak vs. Teac
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:15:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <5871.71.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:
>-> I am in the market for a good cassette recorder and of course I would
>-> like to buy the Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1, but it is beyond my budget
>-> ($840). However Nakamichi does make a model called the Cassette Deck
>-> 2. It is not a three head and does not have HX Pro. ($380) However,
>-> is Nakamichi engineering in cassette decks so superior that this unit
>-> outperforms
>-> competitively priced 3head HX pro units? Does anybody own this
>-> unit and has a testimonial they would like to share? I am also
>-> considering a 3 head Sony/Denon. Or is there some fantastic
>-> cassette recorder in this price range around ~400.
>
>
>  I own a Nak Cassette Deck2 and think it's probably a miracle tape deck
>for the price.  I was also considering the top of the line Denon at the
>time, but the Nak sounded way better (in my opinion) in recording and in
>playback than the Denon.  The Denon are also very good, my 2nd choice to
>the Nakamichi, and have many more features.  As for Sony, Sony stinks!

How do you think the Nak compares against the Teac V5000?  I read rave
reviews about the Teac.


--David
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: cd player recommendations?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:03:01 GMT

>>I am wondering if anyone could recommend a good cd player.
>>I'm interested in updating my old Sony carousel which was
>>junk.  I have a Denon receiver, a Nakamichi cassete deck, and
>>Pinnacle speakers.  What would you suggest?
>>

>	the most recent stereophile gave a glowing review to the latest theta
>processor (the 3 or III). it is $3-4K. i have no personal experience.


Sean- as this response makes clear, you need to say how much you want to spend!

Dan Kester
kester@mte.ncsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ftsang@Cadence.COM (Frank Tsang)
Subject: Good Digital AV preamp w/ pro-logic decoding
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Seek Recommendation
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:41:53 GMT

Does anyone have experience with digital AV preamp
with pro-logic surround, like the Sony TAE1000/2000ESD
or the Denon AVP5000, or any other makes you can
recommend. I know that Sony TAE1000 is replaced by
2000, what is the major difference? Sources of good
prices are very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Regards,    + Frank Tsang                   |   ^++^    "__"    +
            + (408)-894-2448 (W)            |  @ oo @  @ .. @   +
Frank       + (510)-791-0658 (H)            |   ([])    (())    +
            + e-mail: ftsang@cadence.com    |   Heeelllloooo    +
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Black rubber CD rings - Any good ?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:46:55 GMT

I remember seeing an article on these and they said that the added
weight of the rings might be harmful to the mechanism that spins
the CD.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: aphilip@cbnews.cb.att.com (ashwin.k.philip)
Subject: Re: Hughes SRS experiences?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:15:52 GMT
Summary: Wellll......

In article <1992Oct8.185641.5649@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes:
> I am considering the purchase of one of the Hughes "SRS" units, probably
> the AK-100.  Has anyone had experience with these particular units?  Do they
> genuinly add a lot of ambiance and listening enjoyment to recordings?
> I tend to favor jazzy stuff and perhaps chamber (classical) music.
> My present setup, which incidentally is just plain stereo albeit with 4
> speakers (including 2 "high ambiance" bose 601's) has quite nice definition,
> ambiance, and "depth" from a good recording, but most recordings
> are *so* bad and *so* fake that I would like to do something about them.
> 
> Thanks very much.
> 
> Ricardo
> pinch@cs.washington.edu

I was VERY excited and eager about this "revolutionary" product... but after
extensive listening tests, I am VERY unhappy with it!  It works amazingly
with mono sources and in that it would be worth its price if we didn`t have
stereo - let alone surround sound.. but what it does for stereo is not
so exciting... it DOES do something... not a lot though.
-- 
Ashwin K. Philip_________________________________Email:  philip@mink.mt.att.com
Software Engineer________________________________AT&T Bell Labs, Middletown, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.audio,misc.legal
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: DAT TAX Legislation, may become law soon...act now!!!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:25:11 GMT

The house has adjourned for the year, but the Senate will meet again 
this coming Thursday at which time (according to the Home Recording
Rights Coalition at 1-800-282-TAPE) it is very probable that the
Senate will pass the slightly revised DAT Tax Bill (S-1623).

If you have any thoughts on this issue, call or FAX your wishes
to BOTH your state senators today.  

Keep it simple:  Tell the folks in your senators' offices that
you are against the bill (assuming you don't wnat to pay royalties on
blank DAT tape and on DAT recorders.)  or tell them to vote
yes if you are in favor of the royalty tax (is there anyone on
this newgroup so inclined:-)

Remember to reference the bill by the appropriate number S-1623.

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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Stereo Review (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.180112.20750@e2big.mko.dec.com>
owen@emds.enet.dec.com (Steve Owen) writes:

>How about this for an experiment (for those who MUST have scientific proof)... 
>Record a CD using analog connections to a DAT tape deck.  Use cheap cables for 
>one test, expensive cables for another.  Are the bits the same once the DAT 
>encodes them?  If not, then something is different...

For another test, record a CD using analog connections to a DAT tape
deck.  Use expensive cables for one test, the same cables for another.
The bits won't be the same (think about what "sampling" means).  What
does that prove?

Why hasn't anybody been able to distinguish different interconnects
(or green markers, or cryogenic cd's) in a double-blind test?

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: it's okay to punch "Infinite Repeat"
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:29:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott "Big Iron" Dorsey) writes:
|Yeah, but what if you have to turn the amplifier on and then wait about
|a minute and a half before it warms up enough to produce music?  (Plus, the
|breaker for the amp is on the other side of the room from the CD player).

Yeah, but what if every time you get a hardon, you pass out from lack
of blood flow to the brain?

mr HEINOUS
possessor of the most "fi" per buck of most anybody he's met.
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: At what speed does a CD spin?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:52:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.jhansen.718645943
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <IepEVdm00WB75dcP5Q@andrew.cmu.edu> Chinarut Ruangchotvit <chinman+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>> Does anyone know at what speed a CD spins (in RPM's)?  My band is
>> pressing a CD.  The artwork on the CD will look like a vinyl record. And
>> the label will say ??? RPM.

>You have a slight problem considering a CD spins with constant linear
>velocity (CLV), not constant angular velocity (CAV).  I believe a CD
>begins spinning at about 500 RPMs gradually slows down to a minimum of
>200 RPMs.

I believe this translates to a linear velocity of 1.5 meters per second.

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
From: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Satellite recommendations?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART To You, Buddy


I'd like to get new satellite speakers for my system.  I've got an
M&K VX-4 sub, which I'm very happy with, but my satellites are (gulp,
prepare to be grossed out) Minimus 7's.  Some of you are no doubt
snickering, while a few (and I know who you are ;^) will be thinking
'hey, someone else did that!'.  Anyway, I'm ready to relegate the
Minimus' to surround duty if I can find a pair of satellites that
complement the sub, are about the same size as the 7's, and won't run
me more than ~$400.  Any suggestions on what I should be auditioning?
If there's interest, I'll post a summary.
-- 
Jim Tomlinson    BoGART Project    Boeing Computer Services    Bellevue, WA
jdt@voodoo.boeing.com       ...uunet!bcstec!voodoo!jdt        (206)865-6578 
          "It's the end of the world as we know it; I feel fine."
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From: franke@llnl.gov (Norman Franke, III)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Extended Warranties
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:00:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6F9C51FEF0110D0@tripoli.llnl.gov>
X-XXDate: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:59:43 GMT

In article <eFcBsB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Vlad G. Pohnert,
vlad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>Just a few months to go and the machine developed a path error
(Crunching 
>bottom & top of the tape) It looks like they will be possibly replacing 
>the WHOLE mechanism tray! I don't even want to think what the part would 
>cost if I had to BUY it.... I paid about $80.00 for the extended
warrenty 
>which does seem to be reasonable for a VCR worth about $1300 CND$!!!

This is interesting. My friend had a SLV-R5 what had the same problem. It
was still
under warranty, so they fixed it. Though, it makes you wonder what's up
with Sony.
I wonder if this is a common problem?

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From: henrik@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (Henrik Gudbrandsen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Loudspeaker Design Software
Keywords: Software Where?
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:44:04 GMT
Organization: SINTEF

>I have seen people referring to LEAP and other loudspeaker design
>software.  Is there an FTP site for these?  If someone has them
>available but does not want an "FTP Wave", send me e-mail... I 
>can keep a secret.  ;^)
>
>Thanks in advance!
>___________________________________________________________________________
>Corey D. Jackson                My employer doesn't pay me enough to think! 
>cj414491@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu      Colorado State U:  Fort Collins, CO

Me to (please....)

Henrik Gudbrandsen
henrik@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no
Newsgroups: rec.audio