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From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: TransAmiga and uucp?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:09:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: bkhouse.nkraft.0326
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz


I think I've heard that several of you folks are running AmigaUUCP with
BBS of various kinds. I'd like to set up a BBS for the use of my company's
clients, and I have and really like (so far) TransAmiga. I also have Dillon's
uucp 1.15d, and it's been running very well for me for quite some time,
gathering net mail and news for myself and my employees. This is all well
and good, but I have a one line system, and periodically need to take
down the BBS to run uucico. Is anyone out there doing this? If so, how
do you automate the process? I can't get TransAmiga to give up the line
without terminating it, and I haven't figured out yet how to get the
BBS to take itself down at 45 minutes after every hour (but only if
someone isn't currently on line...).

Any help would be appreciated. BTW, I run the whole mess on a 3000/25,
under WB 2.04 with a HST DS.

Thanks in advance!

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From: CB@brewhq.swb.de (Christian Balzer)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: NEED f- or e-protokoll for amiga
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:42:39 GMT
Reply-To: CB@brewhq.swb.de (Christian Balzer)
Organization: The Software Brewery

In article <VeQSq*Jc0@video1.bs.open.de> achim@video1.bs.open.de (Joachim Gothe) writes:
>
>Hi folks,
>
>are there any plans to port the e- or f-protokoll to the Amiga-UUCICO?
>
You should ask Andrew Kopp (charly@brewak.swb.de) or Matt about this, but
to the best of my knowledge Andrew is working on it right now.

Cheers,

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
From: rittle@hew2.cs.uiuc.edu (Loren Rittle)
Subject: Extra blocks needed for heirarchical news storage 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:54:31 GMT

mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith) writes:
>In article <mwm.03ke@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>>Question: Could someone count the number of extra blocks this would
>>take up as a percentage of the whole for "typical" Amiga sites?

>As a general answer, the number of extra blocks consumed is significantly less
>than the number saved by using hardlinks for cross-posted articles. It is still
>a major win on 2.04 and above. For 1.3 and below, it is a choice that has to
>be made....

I made a simple analysis of this issue.  Here are my findings (with a
good amount of handwaving :-):

The old style requires one disk block per newsgroup.  If you recieve 20
newsgroups, then your overhead for directory stucture is 20 blocks
(or 10K on current FFS devices).

The new style requires at most one disk block per newsgroup name piece.
More specifically, the first newsgroup with a given leading name will
require a disk block for each piece that had not been seen yet, but
extra newsgroups with that same leading name will not.  Thus
comp/sys/amiga/programmer requires 4 blocks of overhead, but any other
newsgroups in comp/sys/amiga require a mere one extra block (as above).
In practice, I assume that most people who receive comp.sys.amiga.x
would also receive comp.sys.amiga.y and comp.sys.amiga.z.  Also assume
the average newsgroup has 4 pieces (i.e.  first.second.third.fourth) and
that the average person will get at least three newsgroups in any given
area (i.e.  if comp.sys.amiga.x then c.s.a.y and c.s.a.z also).  This
yields a maximum of 2 [(4+1+1)/3] disk blocks needed per newsgroup
received.  This maximum falls if more newsgroups than three are received
in any given area.  For example, if only the 17 standard c.s.a groups
are received then the average overhead for directory structure drops to
20/17 disk blocks per group.

As Michael points out, there are too many factors (expire time,
number of groups received, etc.) to say much beyond this (I might
have made too many assumptions already... :-), but I think it should be
clear that using 2 disk blocks for directory structure instead of 1
per newsgroups is no big deal.  Oh well, let's carry on a bit more.
It seems reasonable to allocate 1MB for every 10 newsgroups received.
The new heirarchical method would require 20 directory blocks for
the directory structure as opposed to just 10 using the old flat method.

To answer Mike's question:

This works out to (~10/2000 * 100) % or 0.5 % extra overhead when using
the new method.

Nothing has been said about the number of directory entries that
can be stored in the base block allocated for directory structure
before another needs to be allocated, but the old method starts to lose
here before the new method, so it should not be important to this
issue.

Regards,
Loren

Note: I don't run an AmigaUUCP site so don't flame the above too hard... :-)
I would run a site if UIUC wasn't so mean to students... :-)
From: bell@pokie.enet.dec.com (Mike J. Bell)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: RE: GRn 1.28
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:21:24 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hi!  First of all, I'd like to thank the author of GRn--Mike Schwartz.  From
what I can see (I don't have a feed yet, etc. etc.) it looks like a very well
thought out program.

I would like to offer some suggestions, however (I hope he reads this
conference).

I have an A500, fairly souced up except for an accelerator (coming soon I
hope).  I have no flicker-fixer or whatever, and my monitor is not
long-persistence.

Therefore I would like to see a version that will handle a non-interlaced
screen.  This could either have scroll bars, or use a 5 point font or so (I'll
volunteer to make it, if I EVER FIND A PD FONT EDITOR).

A temporary fix would be to be able to change the colors on the screen, so I
can make it jitter less.

I would appreciate it, because it really kills the eyes to have the blinkeys. 
I know all you important people have 3000's with the built in de-interlacers,
but I don't have enough money yet (being non-important).   ;-)

Any feedback would be appreciated...post it here so everyone can get in on it.

I know this sounds very isolated and "me me me me me"--that's why I want some
feedback to see if it would be worth Mike's time.  I know I would pay for a
version that I could read...

Mike

P.S.  I just re-read this, keep in mind: no flames intended.  Only suggestions.
Xref: sparky alt.sys.amiga.uucp:947 comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:3394 comp.dcom.modems:6279 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:8453
From: bruce@chumley.UUCP (Bruce L. Stewart)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avatex 1200 Modem Problem - Owners Please Read
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:16:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Organization: Responsive Designs



In article <1992Apr2.011037.1004@mlb.semi.harris.com> you write:
: I am really pleased with uucp on my Amiga, but I'm having two problems
: with my old Avatex 1200 modem:
: 
: 1. I've misplaced the manual and can't determine which dip switch
: settings will hang up on a low DTR signal.  I know it's possible, I
: used to do it, but I changed it once so that my sessions would not
: drop on reboot.  Now I can't get the line to drop as needed by uucp.
: Could a kind avatex owner email me the dip table or the phone number

Dip switch 6 controls DTR.  In the UP (OFF) position, the modem will
follow DTR.  In the DOWN (ON) position, DTR is forced high, whether or
not the modem is really connected to anything.  You might also look at
switch 7.  In the UP (OFF) position, CD reflects the real state of
carrier.  In the DOWN (ON) position, CD is forced high, whether or not
anything is coming in.  The last phone number I have for Avatex is:
(408) 288-8880.  Feel free to e-mail for more info if needed. 

: 2. The first AT command after power on or line drop is lost, eliciting
: only an "ERROR" message from the modem.  Uucico does not like this at
: all.  It exits, showing the dialing attempt as a failure, even though
: the second AT command (the real ATDT) succeeds.  Any ideas?  This must
: be a bug in the modem firmware.

Hmmm ... I haven't experienced this problem, but it may well be there.  I'd
also wonder if noise on the line was causing a problem.  Note that the
Avatex firmware does not allow disabling responses, so you're stuck with
whatever the modem sends back at you.

: I'm using a borrowed hayes 2400, which I need to give back VERY soon,
: so a quick reply is greatly appreciated.

Hope this helps.  I also wrote a QND (quick-and-dirty) dialer for this modem,
in case that helps.  I have it around here somewhere, so if you need it,
let me know and I can send it along (C/UNIX, easily ported to other 
platforms ... especially for the guy who doesn't have to do it! 8-)).

regards,
-bruce stewart

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    Responsive Designs                                                    
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
From: mckeehan@utkux1.utk.edu (William McKeehan)
Subject: OPENING a shell with getty
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:40:46 GMT


I know someone out there has done it...but I can't...any and all help
would be greatly appreciated...

Please someone...that has the  ability to have getty run a shell
after they login, please reply to this message so that I can
ask you some questions...

Thanks!!!
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From: charly@brewak.swb.de (Andrew Kopp)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: How do I get Dcron to only phone until it is successful
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:25:43 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: The Software Brewery

In article <liam.02pw@durie.amigans.gen.nz>, Liam Greenwood writes:

> 
>     I have a crontab file that looks like this...
> 
> #<min> <hour> <day> <month> <dayofweek>  [<command>]
> 0,20,40,55 1-3 * * *   uucico -b -samigans
> 
> This phones the host every 20ish mins for a while inorder to get a feed. What
> I would like is for it not to phone if a previous one is still on the phone,
> and to NOT phone once it has been successfull. The host I get a feed from only
> connects upstream once in 24hrs, so all the other calls are a bit wasted.
>      

Try the following little script should do the job.
Call this from a S:Crontab entry.

# --- cut here --- uucp:S/call_machine

.KEY hostname/A,unit/A
.BRA {
.KET }

IF EXISTS env:retry{hostname}
   skip end
ELSE
   echo >env:retry{hostname} x NOLINE
ENDIF

IF EXISTS UUSPOOL:C.{hostname}LOCK
   delete env:retry{hostname}
   skip end
ENDIF

; rexx:sendbatches {hostname}		; optional news update

lab loop
uucico -xx -U{unit} -7 -s{hostname}	; use YOUR parameters here !
echo >>env:retry{hostname} x NOLINE
IF $retry{hostname} NOT EQ xxxxxxx	; call max.8 times n min. intervals
IF EXISTS uuspool:C.{hostname}DUMMY
  wait 2 min				; BUSY ? try in n minutes again.
  skip back loop
ENDIF

ELSE					; too many unsuccessful calls
  Delete T:Call_Machine{hostname}
  echo >UUSPOOL:C.{hostname}LOCK	; remove LOCK manually or by script
ENDIF

delete env:retry{hostname}
wait 10 sec				; short delay for uuxqt

lab uuxqt				; wait while uuxqt works
IF EXISTS T:UUXQT.LOCK
   wait 1 min
   skip back uuxqt
ENDIF

; rexx:unbatch				; optional news update

lab end

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From: achim@video1.bs.open.de (Joachim Gothe)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: NEED f- or e-protokoll for amiga
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: achim@video1.bs.open.de  (Joachim Gothe)
Distribution: world
Organization: Mix Broadcast Video and Computer
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel3

Hi folks,

are there any plans to port the e- or f-protokoll to the Amiga-UUCICO?

uucico.15e ????

Thanks,
Achim

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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re:  Extra blocks needed for heirarchical news storage
Distribution: world
Reply-To: adastra!mbs@Virginia.Edu
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:31:37 EDT
Organization: Private UUCP Node

In article <aa4Tq*dW0@germal.bs.open.de> gm@germal.bs.open.de (Gerald Malitz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.235431.4980@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, Loren Rittle writes:
>> Nothing has been said about the number of directory entries that
>> can be stored in the base block allocated for directory structure
>> before another needs to be allocated, [...]
>
>	There's no `another block'.  Each directory needs 1 block itself,
>wheter it contains 1 file(/directory/link) or 2000.

Sorry, this is untrue.

The current directory format (2.04 FFS) only can hold (for example) X entries,
which may be either files, directories, or links.

Once you try to have X+1 entries in that directory, an extension block is
allocated, which consumes another block on the disk, and can hold another
X entries. (This is a gross over-simplification of the actual process, but
youget the idea).
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From: mk@mkrara.rara.sub.org (Michael P. Krauss)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: CBatch missing from uucp-1.15d?
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:13:19 GMT
Reply-To: mk@mkrara.rara.sub.org
Organization: This is my private box !
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <32324@darkstar.ucsc.edu> smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian) writes:
>
>After much frustration trying to figure out why my batchnews was not working,
>I found that I do not have the "cbatch" file in my UUCP:c directory (or
>anywhere).  I assume that this is my problem.
>
>Am I going completely mad?  Does the "cbatch" file actually exist in any of
>the three archives?

I don't think so. I don't have it, too, and my news systems works perfectly.
:-)
Are you shure that there is a directory called "uuspool:batch" and that your
sys-file is set up correctly ?

>   Brian M. Aljian
>   smythe@stallion.santa-cruz.ca.us

Ciao
   michael
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From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:00:22 EST
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Amiga UUCP 1.15d

dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson) writes:

>the background, I can no longer load my term program.  (Ncomm 1.95B)  It
>seems Getty no longer freely gives up the serial port to other programs. 
>Is this a bug, or a feature?

  I'm curious if NComm supports OwnDevUnit.library?  I know that VLT, 
TERM 2.0 and the next release of JRComm does, and it is quickly becoming
the most standard way to handle arbitration of the serial ports.  Welmat,
which has a 'getty like' mode makes use of it and it works great.  There
have been patches posted quite a few times to add OwnDevUnit.library support
to AmigaUUCP's UUCICO, Getty and LockSerial commands.


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From: Reid_Bishop@a68k.denver.CO.US (Reid Bishop)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: UUCP?
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:24:19 MST
Organization: The Arvada 68K BBS- Westminster, CO

In a message dated Sat 11 Apr 92 21:08, Bmaple@burner.uucp (bob Maple)
wrote:

 BM> You can only send/request a file from a site adjacent to you (one you
 BM> call), right?

I'm pretty certain that is the case for sure.  I don't think systems would
let you 'route' files through them.

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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: UUCP?
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:55:54 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In article <bmaple.053i@burner.UUCP> bmaple@burner.UUCP (Bob Maple) writes:
>I've been playing with the "uucp" command lately, but have a question..
>
>You can only send/request a file from a site adjacent to you (one you call), right?

You got it. You might be able to use uux to cause the remote system to
run uucp (providing it will let you) to send it to a different site
adjacent to them, but that's about as far as you can get with the
tools in the 1.15 distribution (at least the one I've got).

There is a program on Unix called uusend (I *think* that's it; uusend
may have been a mail tool).

	uusend myfile down!this!path!~user/herfile

Such things are pretty straightforward, being a copy of the rmail
technic. Shouldn't take more than an afternoon to write if you wanted
to.

	<mike
Xref: sparky alt.sys.amiga.uucp:992 comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:3569
From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:51:37 EST
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Amiga UUCP 1.15d

caw@miroc.Chi.IL.US (Christopher A. Wichura) writes:
>The problem with this in the past has been that NComm always detached from
>its caller.  Now, I'll skip my usual spewl over how programs that do this are

  In the meantime until NComm supports ODU  (And I suspect with the number of
packages adding support that those that don't support it will be 
considered missing a major feature) , people can do like what I did with
the old version of term.  I would run

LockSerial "Wait 9999 min"

then run the terminal package.  When I exited from term, I would do a BREAK
on that wait command.   This is of course transparant to the 
type (Old style , or ODU style) of LockSerial that is being ran.

>Christopher A. Wichura                Multitasking.  Just DO it.
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From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: HELP! WHAT IS UUCP?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:16:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: bobsbox.bobl.360b
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <1992Apr7.131951.1723@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> p2003740@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>
>Could someone please tell me what UUCP is? I have an Amiga 2000 and have heard
>of UUCP, but don't know what it does?
>
>Any info will be helpful.
>
>Thanks.
>Paul.

UUCP is the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol.  It is the basis for
communications between Unix machines (and machines that want to talk to
Unix machines).

AmigaUUCP is a suite of programs that allow you to connect to another
computer that is on a network.	It allows you to receive and send
netmail and netnews via the supplied programs and the UUCP protocol
using a dialup modem.  With AmigaUUCP you can connect to universities
and small business computers locally and via the network, send mail and
messages around the world since the network extends world-wide.

You basically call up a local computer system (automatically via
AmigaUUCP) and transfer mail/news from/to the local site.  It then
stores stuff from your site and forwards it to the next local sites it
connects to and so on and so forth until the message gets to its
intended recipient.  Same goes for sending stuff back to you.

-- Bob

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From: dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Amiga UUCP 1.15d
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:50:56 EST
Organization: My home system.

  I just upgraded to version 1.15d, from 1.08.  Two things I noticed
missing.  Using the "0" key no longer goes back a message in dnews, while
the "." stil pages forward.  Also, when I have dcron and getty running in
the background, I can no longer load my term program.  (Ncomm 1.95B)  It
seems Getty no longer freely gives up the serial port to other programs. 
Is this a bug, or a feature?

		-David

P.s.  So far, I think I like the older version of Dnews better.  What does
v1.15 have that 1.08 doesn't?

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