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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Scottie Pippen
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:08:15 GMT
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In article 5426@ida.liu.se, d89larli@odalix.ida.liu.se (Lars Lindqvist) writes:
> What teams have Scottie Pippen before Chicago ? I think I've heard somewhere that he was coach for a highschool
> team when someone told him that with his atletic abilities he should start to play basketball 'seriously'.....and
> he did. Have I got it all wrong ?...or
Intent was right,  facts were wrong.

Pippen was not recruited out of high school.  He went to Central Arkansas and
was the water boy for the bball team.  Eventually he grew & earned a scholarship.




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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Rosters? (KNICKS)
Keywords: rosters update
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 14:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.130253.29780@research.nj.nec.com> adam@research.nj.nec.com writes:
>
>Here's what the Knicks look like right now:
>
>Forwards: 
>Charles Smith (from Clippers in Mark Jackson deal)
>Tony Campbell (from Minnesota for draft pick?)
>Charles Oakley 
>Anthony Mason
>
>Centers: 
>Patrick Ewing
>Tim McCormick
>
>Guards:
>Rolando Blackman (from Dallas for '95 1st-round pick)
>Greg Anthony
>John Starks
>Hubert Davis (rookie 1st round pick from North Carolina)
>Bo Kimble (from Clippers)
>Doc Rivers (from Cippers)

I just read in the Raleigh News & Observer that the New York Knickerbockers
signed F Eric Anderson, F Terry Dozier, F Louis Jeter, and G Gary Waites,
yesterday.

What's up with that...

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics training camp
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:29:05 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct9.154904.17127@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>In article CCJ@ora.com, ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>>|KENNY BATTLE - Now this is a kid I like.  He was one of the 10-day
>>|contract boys Boston signed periodically last season to beef up their
>>|Bird and Brownless lineup.  Battle had great hustle and attitude, could
>>|take it to the hoop, and played tight D.  I'm not sure where he fits
>>|though, as he's not big enough for PF, and SF is chock full o'Xman,
>>|Fox, and Gamble (unless Fox goes for Gugliotta.)
>>|
>
>Where did Battle go to school?

The Fighin' Illini..
>
>>|STEVE SCHEFFLER - Bang, bang.  With Kleine and Barry, what do they want
>>|Barry is still unsigned, and the Celtics really don't have a big
>>|incentive to get him on the roster.  With no bites on Sherman Douglas
>>|on the trade line, Sherm may move into the starting PG role, with Dee
>>|Brown as 3rd man in the backcourt (supposedly a few starters prefer
>>|Douglas to Dee at the point - my guess would be Pinckney and McHale.)
>>|
>
>So why did the Celtics draft him?  Seems like an awful waste to me.

Well, if you mean Scheffler, they didn't. (He was by Charlotte).  As for
Barry, I don't think they expected it to be this hard to get him playing.
I still believe they did it expecting to make a trade, but that the trade
fell through and they were stuck with him..
>
>>|-- 
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>>|
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>>|        uunet!ora!ellie
>
>
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers to Go all the way.
Keywords: Lakers to go all the way.
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:14:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw0yvp.G51
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>In article <1992Oct10.015617.908@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>>I can only say, Western Conference fans, don't waste your time watching any 
>>NBA games if you're not a Lakers fan because you'll only be disappointed.
>>While all of the focus is on the over-hyped Phoenix Suns, look for the Lakers
>>to quietly take the division with a possible 70 wins.  

>While you're dreaming, maybe the Lakers will pick up Wilt Chamberlain and he'll
>be as dominant as he was in the 60's...

	Interesting enough, however -- if somebody were to pick up Wilt
	right now, how do U think he would do?  He certainly has kept in
	shape, and I remember a few years back, he was saying that even
	the Cleveland Cavaliers were talking to him about returning to 
	play (then again, this is Wilt talking).  I know he's been actively
	involved in playing volleyball.  I think he could do better than
	some of the also-rans playing center in the league.  Any thoughts?

	Jazzy J
 
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From: jerry@MicroUnity.com (Jerry Kreuscher)
Subject: Wolves Get Their Man
Reply-To: toni@zetaco.com
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:59:25

[Posted for toni@zetaco.com, whose netnews access has quayled.
Replies to her, please.]

I'm sure this has been announced on r.s.b.p, but just in case . . .
Christian Laettner agreed yesterday to a six year twenty two million
dollar contract.  He is scheduled for a physical, press conference,
and official signing today, after which he will join the team for
their exhibition opener against New Jersey in Grand Forks, N.D
tomorrow night.

This morning's Strib charted a comparison of the Timberwolves first
round draft picks, which follows:

Year  Player              Picked  Contract  Salary  Average

1992  Christian Laettner     3rd   6 years     $22    $3.67
1991  Luc Longley            7th   4 years   $6.36    $1.59
1990  Felton Spencer         6th   5 years   $7.95    $1.59
1990  Gerald Glass          20th   3 years   $2.12    $0.70
1989  Pooh Richardson       10th   4 years   $2.87    $0.72

Laettner's $3.67 million average salary is higher than the contract
signed last year by Larry Johnson (6 years, $20 million, $3.3 million
average), but does not contain the "escape clause" that allows Johnson
to declare himself a restricted free agent after four seasons.

"One of his agents" (not Arn Tellem, who is the one I know of, with
whom the Timberwolves have a poor track record in dealing for Pooh)
was shown on local sports last night saying things like "We could have
held out (blah, blah, blah), but made a conscious decision to get
Laettner into camp so he could have a good season."  I really wonder
how much of that was Laettner's decision, and also if it is an
indication that our woefully unknowledgeable President (who insists on
doing the contract negotiations), Mr. Stein, has finally learned
something about what is required.  Maybe it was Trader Jack's
influence.  Whatever, it is refreshing to have our first round pick in
camp so "early" after our previous history of first round hold outs
who joined the team well into the season.

Any [more] news about Mourning sitting out this season?

rgds,
  T
-- 
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Toni Morgan (toni@zetaco.com, ...uunet!rio!toni)
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Clippers News and Point of View (Re: Bye Bye Fatman)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  9 Oct 92 16:26:22 GMT

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>The Fatman, John Williams, was traded to the Clips for 
>William Bedford & the rights to Don Mclean (the 19th
>pick from this yrs draft). 

>This finally ends the tortuous relationship between the
>Bullets and Fatso. Its really too bad, but the speculation
>has finally ended. 

The Clippers trading season looks like it's about to come to a close.
In what was expected to be a summer of "trades!", it has been a summer
of "trades?" (note the punctuation).

The Clips were expected to put together a trade! for Hakeem, but ended 
up dumping Kimble?, Smith!? (only a question mark in his attitude about LA), 
Bedford?? and MacLean? (who was scheduled to head to Greece just two weeks 
ago).

In return, they got Stanley Roberts??? and John Williams?? (1/2 !)

Looks almost even-up in the punctuation mark department.

The LA Times said that the most recent trade frees up some salary to
sign Elmore Spencer.  Spencer wants $300k + epsilon for one year (and
then become a restricted free agent).  The Clips want to give him
~$400k for more than one year.  Go figure.

After Spencer is brought on board, the Clips (team of many many forwards, 
still) will extend an offer at the NBA minimum to Kiki Vandeweghe.  KV
is also looking at San Antonio and (somewhere-else-I-can't-remember).

Other note on KV - saw him shooting around three nights ago.  He was not
*nearly* as sharp as he was two years back when I saw him, but he might
have been tired.  He was also working on his drive from the three-point
line at about 45 degrees.  I guess Kiki doesn't pick up enough offensive
fouls, or something.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Kenny Battle, and Arizona Wildcats in the NBA
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:56:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6I24.Box
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>(Does the U of Arizona still have 6 alumni in the NBA?  Buechler,
>Cook, Elliott, Kerr, Tolbert, B. Williams?  How about Sean Rooks and
>Matt Othick?  What are their chances?)

	Rooks will definitely make the Mavs' depleted squad.  Othick's
	chances are next to none w/ the Spurs.  

	Hey, how about another Arizona alum -- Kenny Lofton w/ the 
	Cleveland Indians...

	Jazzy J
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From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: Magic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:20:23 GMT

In article <10616330.15.718510503@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS) writes:
>Can anyone really be worth $14.5 million for one season, assuming he makes 
>it through the season. I am a Magic fan but i think this is a little too 
>much, even for one of the greatest basketballers ever.
>
>Big Stu.

Wasn't some NBA franchise sold for a similar abount several years back?
(Before the NBA took off, in the early '80s).

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From: dodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stirling S. Dodd)
Subject: Re: Magic's teammates are in danger!
Organization: Organization? What's that?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.122814.17433@newstand.syr.edu> bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.011703.16904@cheshire.oxy.edu> creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
>>In article <6OCT199218421250@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:
>>>
>>>I think Magic's teammates are in extreme danger because of his decision to
>>>come back. Let us face it, Magic and his teammates will be treated by the 
>>>same physician and the same medical instruments. Even though certain measures
>>>will be imposed, I am sure, to prevent possible transfer of the virus, but
>>>who know what will happen. Anyone in LA hears any responses from the rest of
>>>the Lakers team to complain about the danger? 
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>Don't be so ignorant.  There potential of any of Magic's
>>teammates contracting HIV is close to nil.  There should
>>be no concern.  I suggest that you make an effort to
>>educate yourself.  
>>
>>Scott
>>
>
>	Absolutely.  My doctor may be treating someone that's HIV+.  Anyone's
>doctor may be.  The medical community sterilizes all equipment, and uses rubber
>gloves (which they change regularly) when checking patients these days.  The
>chance of contracting HIV from a doctor is even less than that of contracting
>it from an infected player.
>
>				- Dev



Just as what will hopefully be the last comment on safety...

When I was an undergrad I played pick up ball with a guy who was infected.
He was also a rugby player. In the two or three years where I saw him a few
times a month, and played some serious ball, there were no incidences which
could have caused the disease to be transimitted. I am clear, and all the peopleI know who participated are clear.

Aids is a very weak virus in the sense of what it can withstand. It is very 
difficult to spread. You must engage in very specific long term behavior to
contract it.
I forget his name, but an NIH researcher gave a talk at UT (Texas), on the 
nonlinear system theory behind aids tranmission and he made some very
definate statements the most striking of which was that Aids is only passed
about 2% of the time during unprotected ANAL SEX! That means it takes some 
serious bad luck or a lot of involvement to catch the disease. The numbers are 
even smaller for unprotected "missionary" sex.
This doesn't mean that doctors, who have litterally hundreds of opportunities a month to share blood with patients won't infect them, but it does mean that 
Magic could only spread his disease If he engages in other physical activity
than basketball in the NBA!
Although I don't expect Isaih to be kissing him again any time soon 8*>

S Dod^2

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: RUMOR TIME! (was Re: Alonzo Mourning)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:26:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.141338.21921@dg-rtp.dg.com> goolsby@harpo.rtp.dg.com (Chris Goolsby) writes:
>In article <1992Oct09.223746.18558@bnr.ca> yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount) writes:
>>I hear that Alonzo Mourning's contract negotiations have
>>come to a halt recently. It seems that poor Alonzo is not
>>happy with the maximum the Hornets can pay him his first
>>year under the salary cap. They have 2.1M, he wants 2.3M.
>>So what is his solution? He wants the Hornets to trade
>>away some talent to free up more money for him. Now that's
>>team spirit. 

>I've been equally disgusted by this continuing debacle.  However, I
>put more blame on Alonzo's agent, Falk, than on Alonzo himself.  This
>Falk clown is being a complete dick about the whole negotiation
>process.
>
>Charlotte is turning into a pretty good organization (no more "draft
>J.R. Reid because of local connections" and similar crap) and they
>made a good offer to Mourning.  They got several players to
>restructure their contracts and offered Alonzo more money than they
>gave Larry Johnson last year, I believe.  Enter Falk.
>
>He tells Alonzo that it's not enough.  He tells Charlotte to trade one
>of their big men for a second round draft choice to free up more money
>for his unproven client.  Charlotte tells him to forget it and that
>they'll be even less money soon, because they plan to sign their
>second round pick (I forget the name) to the league minimum before
>training camp, which will leave less money available under the cap to
>sign Mourning.  Falk doesn't budge.  Charlotte signs the player.  Falk
>goes to the press and threatens to have Alonzo sit out the year.
>Charlotte shrugs and says Falk should be talking to them and not the
>papers. . . .  What a mess!
>
>I'm willing to give Alonzo the benefit of the doubt and say that he's
>just being poorly advised.  Maybe he's just ignorant, instead of
>egotistical.  In any event, I'm disgusted with him and Falk both.  I
>was really looking forward to seeing Charlotte make some real strides
>this year, but now I expect that Mourning (if he is ever signed) will
>have built up too much ill will in the coaches, his fellow players,
>and the fans to have a good year.  

I say the Hornets should make a trade here.  How many people think San
Antonio would bite on LJ & Mourning for David Robinson?  That should
increase the number of UNLV alumni in Spurs camp to about 12.



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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazer Report
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:27:07 GMT
Organization: Organization

In article <1687FC33B.MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS) writes:
> 
>I hope I'm not being redundant here or something, but where was Drexler?


  He was in the stands, watching the game with his son Clyde Jr.

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: nba.c
Organization: Indiana Daily Student
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:27:50 GMT

Speaking of nba.c, I'm having some real problems compiling this bad boy -
something concerning switching incompatible data types.  If the author of
this could contact me about this, I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: first round failures
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:38:20 GMT

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>   I know there was a guy from Wisconsin that went out as a junior and was
>   drafted by Seattle. I think his name was Cory Blackwell

You are almost correct, Sir.  He was the 28th pick in the 1984 draft.
But that makes him a second rounder.

(Source: the trusty nbastats/facts/drafts directory on ftp.wustl.edu)

--Gidi
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:24:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Oct14.142416.39433
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <ldlf7bINNia1@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 18648@random.ccs.northeastern.edu, dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling) writes:
>> >> How about Kevin McHale.....never makes 3's
>> However, I'm sure people in Detroit will remember Kevin making a HUGE 3
>> in the '87 playoffs to send them home early....
>
>
>If I remember the replays,  that wasn't a 3.  But that is not what the refs saw...


As to Kevin's 3pt shooting... Going into last year, 
he was a career 31% 3pt shooter.  That is better than such people as
Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Tom Chambers, etc...  He is actually a fairly
respectable 3pt shooter. That is, as long as he is wide open... :-)

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From: freshlt@quig20.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly)
Subject: Re: Cavs (was Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkins?)
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:11:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.181424.11895@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.143212.15021@pellns.alleg.edu>  
freshlt@quig20.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly) writes:
> > (Deleted)

> You did butcher the name...and the line-up.  Even though Williams is a
> terrific player, it's awfully hard for the Cavs to go with 3 near 7  
footers
> for too long.  My guess is that Wilkins will start...what he does do is
> cover a little for the loss of Ron Harper years ago.  When was the last  
time
> you saw a Cav finish a fastbreak well?  This puts Craig Ehlo where the
> Cavs always wanted him...on the bench.  Wilkins can probably play some  
small
> forward too, so if you wanted a total scoring line-up: Price, Battle,
> Daugherty, Wilkins & Nance wouldn't be bad.


	Battle starting over Ehlo?  I agree that Lenny likes to bring  
Craig off the bench but I really don't see Battle as a consistent starter  
ahead of Ehlo.  If Wilkins developes and fits into the system, he will be  
the most likely starter, IMHO.  With both Ehlo and Williams coming off the  
bench, Coach Wilkins will have the most depth he's seen since the Harper  
trade.
	Opinions on the possible role of Ferry?  I liked what I saw of him  
in the Eastern Conference Finals (except for the swing against Jordan) but  
he hasn't yet put together a respectable regular season.  With Wilkins now  
on the roster, it appears that he won't get tons of PT this year either  
although I think he will get more consistent minutes (just not many more).
	Thanks for the spelling correction.

			Tim
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