From: djw@hodgkin.mc.duke.edu (David Wendt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Chapel Hill
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:09:06 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec14.144416.26779@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> dalek@med.unc.edu writes:
Dale writes:
>Sorry, can't let this pass without commenting.  I've been part of this
>campus community for nearly 10 years, .....
	Ah my open forum from a Tar Heel
>
>The Smith center seats close to 20,000.  The seats are very tightly packed in -
>read *no place to dance*.  The security inside has always been *very tight* 
>and I am sure this will be no exception.  They throw people out if they
>*think* they have seen you light something up.  The acoustics are
>also horrendous.  My ears rang for days after seeing Bob Dylan...
>Healy will truly have to work miracles with this one.
	I'd have to disagree, the seats here are no more
	packed than many venues, The security is similiar
	to security at many larger universities.  They are
	used to dealing with college students and are not
	particularly forgiving, but in my experience they are
	no more strict (or lenient) than the campus police in
	Ann Arbor, Madison, Iowa City ...
>| Chapel Hill is a big college with a big college town.  There
>                                      ^^^^ actually, its a small town
>|are a ton of bars within walking distance of the Smith Center so you
>
>If you consider 1 - 2 miles walking distance... Also there's (practically)
>no lodging in walking distance.  And generally very little lodging in
>Chapel Hill at all.  

	But there are plenty of places within a quick drive, several down
	15-501, many in Raleigh and Durham.
>
>
>Football games are on weekends!!!  These *rumored dates* are during the 
>week.  The parking situation on campus is already a problem.  All the lots
>around the Smith center are for employees and commuting students. **These
>lots can not be cleared before 5:30 - 6pm on work days***.  Read that
>as you will not be able to even get on campus to park before around 6pm.  
>This will severely limit tailgating.  I just hope that the university
>police can figure out some way to enforce this  or campus will be a
>real zoo.

	Come on Dale....  parking in any college town is a problem
	Chapel Hill is no exception... Perhpas "tailgating" per se won't be
	possible, but to say the town can't handel the parking is not
	realistic.  For all the evening BBall games (even the Duke UNC game),the 	campus security (and often State Troopers) 
	deal with the crowds adequately.
>
>Also, a lot of the folks at football games are alumni - i.e. they
>donate money to the university.  Its a lot easier to look the other
>way when its a piece of your bread and butter.  I would actually 
>expect security to be very tight.
>
>All I can say is I'm sort of hoping that these shows end up in Greensboro.
>I think the impact on the campus will be too great.  Student family housing
>backs up to the Smith center, there are several large dorms very close by,
>parking on campus is a real problem. .......... 

	Sounds like a personal convenience issue to me...
>
>If these shows do happen, all I can do is ask the net.community to
>be mindful that this is an arena in the middle of a very busy campus.
	...Again, what large university isn't a busy campus
	why the parochial lecture on this ?

>**DO NOT EVEN TRY TO GET ON CAMPUS BEFORE 5:30*** 
>Please don't be part of the problem.....

	I don't believe any of us intend to be a problem
	but isn't this a bit heavy handed?

>Dale

	I'm not interested in a flame war, but the previously
	reported "facts"  are a bit distorted. As I tried to indicate
	Chapel Hill is like any small town whose major reason for
	existance is a large university. The list of these towns
	is endless/ Northfield Minn, Oberlin OH, Allendale MI, Greely CO,
	 etc etc etc... These can be some of the best venues to see
	a show at, and the enthusiasm expressed thus far supports that
	notion. A supportive word for respecting the communities in which
	the Dead play is always appreciated lest we loose yet another venue poss	ibility, but some respect for the integrity of the net/touring
	community goes a long way to getting that message heard.

						David
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