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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: low class
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:07:00 GMT

In article <LEVIS.92Oct5085505@mohr.iesd.auc.dk>, levis@iesd.auc.dk (Tommy Larsen)          writes...
>In article <1OCT199216562454@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> 
>>>    Money is not a mean for judging everything.
> 
>>   In England too, low class has nothing to do with money, and has to do with
>>   what the English like to call "breeding".  It is only in the US that class
>>   and money are interchangeable words.
> 
>>   Laurence
> 
>From how I understand the word breeding, Prince Charles' Diana isn't
>upper class, but still she is royal.  Can this be so, or did I
>misunderstand you.  If I didn't, then I'd say that in England too,
>money is a measure of class.
> 
>- Tommy
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>                  Tommy Larsen, Sonjavej 58, 9000 Aalborg, Denmark.
> 
>                                 levis@iesd.auc.dk

I'm afraid you do misunderstand.  Firstly, Diana most certainly is upper
class, having come from a family of aristocrats.  Secondly, while
explaining the traditional English concept of class, I didn't mean
to imply that I sanctioned that kind of snobishness.  Class in England
does not have to do with money, as I said it has to do with breeding, and
breeding depends on things like where you went to school, where your father
went to school, the important people you and he went to school with etc.
Certainly having money helps, but it is not a requirement

L
From: suntich@egr.msu.edu (Montree Suntichaikul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: low class
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: suntich@egr.msu.edu (Montree Suntichaikul)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: suntich@eecae.ee.msu.edu

In article <BvG9t1.2s8@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen durongdej) writes:
>"low class" is classified by the way people behave.  It has nothing to do
>with money.  If a person is rich, has very high educational background, came
>from a big name family, live in a so called high-tech society, but still behave
>physically, mentally and morally bad, he/she is still classified as low class.  
   - Too subjectively to consider somebody as "good" or "bad" by their own 
   mean. Individual can choose their own life which they feel comportable
   secure, etc. but must be bound by social norm.

>Money is not a mean for judging everything.
   
   - Money is not the most essential for life. But sometimes money can bring
   something for our essential life either. Therefore we should pay respect
   to each object by its functionality and behavior among its surrounding.

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Montree Suntichaikul
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
Subject: Re: Khun Sripen's network class restrictions
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:50:00 GMT

gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin) writes:

>I too have had enough (quite a while back, actually).  One of the things I
>so admired about this newsgroup was the lack of flaming attacks and how quickly

I too.  I was very glad and proud of our group about that,
but I am quite disappointed and annoyed now. So, please, please, stop that
silly war.  Or if anyone still wants to go on please use e-mail.

>any pointless bickering died out.  I hope things will return to normal soon.

I hope too.  Please help make our group become a nice one again.

Nittida
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 13:36:53 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Part[2]:Conclusion & Recommendations in Capability Development for  E


    Part[2]
    ^^^^^^^

    (6) Overall, the EIBI is characterized by its heavy reliance on
imported components, technology and machinery, its increasing domination
by foriegn companies, and the lack of linkages both between various
electronics industry sectors and between the EIBI and other industries.

    (7) In term of existing technological capability, most firms are
relatively strong on operative capability which reflects the basic skill
and ability of Thai workers, technicians and engineers.  However,
acquisitive, adaptive and innovative capabilities vary a lot according
to the type of firm and most firms are generally weak in these areas. 
However, recent development in some companies in the foriegn owned
components sector indicate that Thai engineers are developing these
capabilities to a greater extent are are able to perform very well when
given the opportunity.

    (8) The growing domination of foreign and export-oriented firms in
the EIBI poses both a threat and an opportunity at the same time.  Most
of the firms poses world frontier technology which could help upgrade
the country's overall levels of technological capability.  On the other
hand, the inability to absorb and adapt these technologies would limit
the impact of these foreign firms to an enclave and reduce the
possibilities of Thai firms developing in the industry.  Indeed, the
crucial question is one of attemtpting to deal with foreign investors in
a fair way but one which guarantees the maximum possible spill over
benefits to the Thai economy.

    (9) However, Rome is not built in one day.  The development of the
EIBI in Thailand, which is crucial to social and economic development,
requires much more than simply "lip" service.  Serious commitment in
term of finance, political support, and much hard work is required in
order to enable the EIBI better to play its core role in the country's
industrial sector as Thailand enters the Information Age.

Posted by


Schitt(DJ)  Laowattana

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Carnegie Mellon University
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Pittsburgh, PA 15217
USA
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e-mail: sl2k@andrew.cmu.edu


Permanent Address in Thailand:

Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO)
King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Thonburi
91 Suksawasd 48  Ratburana  Bangmod
Bangkok 10140, Thailand

Tel. No. 428-3374, 427-4421 and 4270151-9 Ext. 461
Fax. No. 427-8077, 427-8787

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From: htk@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: ThaiSarn update
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:34:06 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Here is the current e-mail nodes in Thailand which are accessible from
the Internet.  There are also some mailing lists in "ipied.tu.ac.th"
which welcome news, ideas and creative suggestions. 

Mailing lists supported by this node (ipied.tu.ac.th):
   post-thai  : local subscribers, soc.culture.thai Usenet Newsgroup
   readers    : local news readers in ThaiSarn
   unixQA     : a discussion on UNIX, email and networking
   BACKBONE   : ThaiSarn backbone system administrators.

Other nodes in Thailand which are on connection with this node:
  user@nwg.nectec.or.th		- for users at NECTEC's ThaiSarn public node
  user@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th	- for users at Chiangmai University
  user@cs.ait.ac.th		- for users at AIT
  user@decth.co.th		- for users at Digital Equipment Thailand.
  user@chulkn.chula.ac.th	- for users at Chulalongkorn University Network.
  user@hp2.hpth.co.th		- for users at Hewlett-Packard (Thailand).
  user@sunoct.co.th		- for users at Open Computing Technologies.
<NEW!>
  user%ram1.ru.ac.th@decth.co.th - for users at Ramkhamhaeng University.

Please contact the postmaster of each node for any particular inquiry
you may have.  We do not have access interactively to Usenet News,
or ftp except for Chulalongkorn University.  However, we are all
working hard to install IP links within the country as soon as possible.

Details of (updated) node information and sys-admins will be posted in the
future. I believe that you can make do with the previous version kindly
posted by Dr.Yunyong (fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th) for the time being.

Thaweesak.
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Burmese troops to help in drub busting
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:57:56 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


 
Burmese troop to help in drug busting.
 
The Nation, Phetchaburi, Oct 1 edition
 
HUNDREDS of Burmese soldiers are set to help Thai forces launch a two-pronged
attack on the base of an armed narcotics producing group in border jungle
here, a Burmese army officer said yesterday.
 
  Col Tha Win, commander of a Burmese army battalion based at a border post
  opposite the Singkhon border checkpoint in Prachuap Khiri Khan province,
  told <m:4>The Nation <m:0>he had been instructed by his superiors to lead
  his troops against the drug traders' camp from Burmese territory.
 
  More Burmese soldiers would be sent to reinforce about 300 troops of the
  battalion in the attack, he said.
 
  The officer said Burmese forces had tried to overrun the jungle base of the
  armed group several times but had lost many soldiers after facing strong
  resistance from their powerful forces.
 
  The Burmese government wants to make the fertile area occupied by the drug
  producers a residential community and will have to attack their base, he
  said.
 
  Tha Win said the private army protecting the narcotics camp was composed
  mainly of remnants of Communist Party of Burma guerrillas.
 
  Border patrol police and the military have been mobilizing combat forces for
  an offensive against the base in jungle in Phetchaburi's Kaeng Krajan
  subdistrict after armed guards last month ambushed a nine-man Thai border
  patrol police team, killing five. Four patrolmen were rescued after an
  ordeal of more than three weeks in the jungle.
 
  Sources said on Tuesday a border patrol police squad was moving closer to a
  confrontation with a larger armed force protecting the base of the narcotics
  producers as the Thai forces prepared to launch an offensive.
 
  Sources said the Thai forces had asked for combat support from Burmese
  troops and Karen minority forces based around the target area.
 
  Karen sources in Phetchaburi yesterday said two other companies of Karen
  troops, whose bases are opposite Pran Buri district in Prachuap Khiri Khan
  province, were moving towards the base to join forces which advanced to the
  area a few days ago.
 
  A highly-placed border patrol police source yesterday said police have
  already asked the army to send attack helicopters to support the ground
  forces' offensive against the base.
 
  Supreme Commander ACM Voranat Apicharee yesterday said the military will let
  border patrol police decide when to attack the base because they initiated
  the offensive plan.
 
  The assault should be launched at an appropriate time, Voranat said, adding
  he was not worried about police starting the offensive and did not expect
  any problems in their operation.
 
  If the police forces faced strong resistance, the military would send combat
  forces to help them.
 
@et
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: FYI:Investigation result of the May incident
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:32:35 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I understand that there is an on-line report in Thai about the May
crackdown, done by the Anand administration. For those of us who 
do'nt have CU-word, is there anyone who would be kind enough to 
trnslate it and post it in English? 

Thanks,
	Abi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: trin@tla.DEC.COM (Trin Tantsetthi)
Subject: FYI: Investigation result of the May incident
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent Gateway
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:00:02 GMT

For you information. The file 920926a, FTPable from june.cs.washington.edu
in directory /pub/thaisys/thainews, has a 400-line coverage on investigation
result of the May incident conducted by the Anand administration.

Files in this directory are news from Thai News Agency -- the
Mass Communications Organization of Thailand. To read these news, you
need a playform that can display Thai text encoded in the national
standard TIS 620-2533.

The easiest way, IMO, is to locate a `PC' with EGA/VGA and fetch a copy of
the CU-Word(processor) package from snake.mcs.kent.edu:/pub/Thai... You do
not have to read it with CU-Word. In the CU-Word package, there is a TSR
Thai video/keyboard driver called THAI.COM or VTHAI.COM. You may install
it by typing the name THAI (or VTHAI). Then you can use standard TYPE
command to view it on screen. To deinstall the Thai driver, press ALT-~
It should work ;-)

Note that files on june have linefeed as line terminator. Make sure once
you transfer these files to DOS machine, each linefeed is translated into
carriage return/linefeed pair.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Khunying Supatra on Internet
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA Lewis
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:06:35 GMT

In article <9209240020.AA05474@ipied.tu.ac.th> 
htk@munnari.oz.AU (Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool) writes:
> 
>All ThaiSarn and Internet Users may now have a direct contact with
>Khunying Supatra.  She will be having her Internet address soon.
>In the mean time, please contact via M.R.Pongsvas Svasti, who is now
>on study leave at Kennnedy School of Government, Cambridge, MA.
>Khunying Aew is also in Cambridge, MA, though not at KSG.
> 

Forgive my barbaricism, but who are K.Supatra and K. Aew? Lots of us
who have been away from home as long as me and don't read 'Dichan' would 
probably have the same difficulty identifying with these seemingly
important figures.

>included message from MR.Ponvsvas:
>................X
> 
>The following is her openning message to Thaisarn Users
>
>Sawasdee everyone who access to this network. I am here as a fellow at
>The Center for International Affairs. The 1992 Presidential Election
>is coming soon, I am very exciting to learn the campaign process esp.
>mass communication political campaign in order to apply to a Thai
>politics later on. 

But, dear Khunying, how could you? (Or rather, Why should you?)
Such processes are natural results
of competition between political parties in a free-for-all society. 
I would admire you dearly if you instead said
you would try to learn how to effectively and righteously use such /mass comm./
so that fairness for all parties is achieved such that the rich will not
always get richer (and the opposite direction for the poor.)

>..............................  I am confident that her contribution
>as well as her determination to obtain the experiences at Harvard
>will be as of benefit to our democratic system which in return yields
>a better side of our society.
>
I hope so too. B U T, as I have been trying to say countless times already.
We must not copy them wholesale. We must look at others only to widen
our perspective and learn how to think by ourselves. We need not look down
upon our own 'old' traditions either; in fact, we should re-apply many
of our lost traditions back into our society and politics. We should also listen
to our own 'real' intelligentsia like Buddhadasa Bhikkhu and Phra Dhebvedhi
and AJarn Sulak, etc. The entire world (including those at Harvard) 
are now listening to these people of ours, except us! We don't want to
be a dog running everywhere searching for its own tail, do we?

-Tawit
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Once you catch up with all others, try catching up with yourself.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: War and Peace
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:30:41 GMT


To have an artificial peace is no more or less dangerous than a real war. 
Reasonable conflicts need not be bad.
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 14:44:09 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [Repost]Part(8):Major Problems and Limitations in S&TD in Thailand 


==========================================================================

****This is the last part.*******


            Part(8): Deficiencies in Infrastrural Support


    Infrastructural support facilities include scientific and
technological infrastructure, legal matters, and the taxation system. 
The inadequacies in human resource development facilities, technical and
information services have already been mentioned.  Science and
technology policies are not clearly defined or implemented.  The
coordination among various organizations is lacking leading to
repetitive efforts in some areas and no effort at all in others. 
Industril policies are also not well defined which makes it rather
dificult for the science and technology community to take actions so as
to meet future demand.  The establishment of organization such the
National Science and Technology Council to be responsible for the
planning of sciences and technology policy at the national level would
help to clarify the direction.


    Certain legal matter could also be improved and/or better
implemented to facilitated technological capability development.  The
laws governing intellectual property rights provide a clear example. 
According to the survey, many producing firm feel that it is at present
not worthwhile to invest in developing new products or processes as they
will be copied almost immediately.  More effective implementation of the
laws would encourage more product and process innovation.  BOI-promoted
firms should, by law, be required to carry out effective technology
transfer and/or set up R&D facilities.  The introduction of a
value-added-tax(VAT) system will enhance subcontracting work which
would, in turn, lead to increased specialization and skill development
of the work force.  The classification of imported good for tax purpose
is not sufficientlt detailed.  This leads to excessive tax rates for
certain products necessary for industrial uses, such as ceramics cutting
tools which, for tax purpose, should be separated from other types of
ceramics which may or may not manufactured in the country.


=============================================================================


    

        "To live well, we must learn how to produce well"


         Recommended reading :"Made in America" by MIT commissioners



Posted by
Schitt  Laowattana
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Sept 30: Tentative date for policy speech
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:57:18 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Tentative date set for Govt policy debate
 
THE House of Representatives has tentatively scheduled a Lower House session in 
the middle of this month to debate the government policy statement, House 
Speaker Marut Bunnag said yesterday.
 
Mr Marut said the session will be broadcast live on television and radio.
 
The Democrat Party yesterday appointed an ad-hoc committee comprising veteran 
MPs Suthep Thueksuban, Amnuay Patisae, Trairong Suwannakhiri, Suthas Ngernmuen, 
Samphan Lertnuwat and its economic expert Savit Bhotiwihok to draft the party's 
policy in the Government.
 
The Democrat Par:^HZ.$AQQ=%9=IA=IQ%9%QM=YI959QA=1%eMQQ59Q)to be delivered to Parliament its party policy of decentralising ruling power to 
the provinces, the need for rural development and income distribution.
 
The Democrats' proposal which will be incorporated into the policy statement 
will complement the party's policy to promote democracy at the grassroots level 
and prevent the migration of the rural poor to the capital which will further 
aggravate urban social and economic problems.
 
The Democrat Party will also renew the effort to introduce the provincial 
administration law to try to decentralise ruling power to local governments.
 
Tambon councils will also be promoted as the issue has been part of the election 
platform of all parties now in the coalition.
 
Party sources said that coalition members still differed on the idea of electing 
provincial governors and the coalition partners will have to find a common 
stand.
 
The coalition may agree to introduce the election of governors in provinces 
which are ready for such changes, the sources said.
 
Meanwhile, the Social Action Party agreed yesterday to send a seven-point policy 
proposal to the Democrat Party for consideration.
 
Under the proposal the SAP will push for greater income distribution through the 
allocation of funds through tambon councils which will be promoted as a juristic 
body.
 
The party will also seek to scrap the controversial land resettlement project.
 
The party will also push for the Government to introduce a price intervention 
scheme to prevent prices of farm products from falling.
 
Rural teachers will also be given better welfare and benefits while more 
water-storing facilities will be built in all villages.
 
The free medical service scheme wZ[[HX[.I+IY%Y9) 
The SAP will also push for more tax privileges from the Board of Investment for 
the agro-industry sector.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: deviant@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Search for Acaan Venus.
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:07:48 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana



Sawatdii khrap,

I'm trying to find out if my Thai friend Acaan Venus Ranechai has access 
to soc.culture.thai and e-mail.  She is at New Mexico State University, if 
anyone knows her then please give this message to her.

Regards,
Jeff Sickel

-- 

ala the Deviant@Yang.Earlham.Edu
   "You think you are ever so clever, however, you won't trap me there.
     Its turtles all the way down."