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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: DC et all was Model Mugging (long)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:00:14 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.152727.18207@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41) writes:
>
>....
>But in DC, the well defined areas do not bound the danger.  I think a
>big part of the problem is that the big hotels and office buildings
>and conference centers keep encroaching on the "bad" parts of town,
>which displaces people.
>
>So what is the point?
>
>After considering Izar's situation for these months and living near
>enough and visiting often enough DC to keep this ever in my mind.
>I think the only reasonable approach from an MA perspective is to
>steal a page from military and police training and train ourselves
>to react automatically in certain senarios.
>
>What do ya'll think?

Well, the PO-lice around here get to carry, PR-24s, Pistols, Saps
and Shotguns (in their cars).  Since I don't get to have these
things with me I'm not sure that I could use their mindset....

WHen I took the `Monadnock Persuader (Kubotan) course'  it was
clear that the majority of the techniques were for officers
with other means at their disposal if things got REALLY nasty...
but for us mostly disarmed civvy's the Kubotan was going to
be all we had..  so 95% of the techniques weren't practical for us,
probably the most practical use was as a striking weapon...

-t.c.


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From: marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Movies with 3-sectional-staff?
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: 12 Oct 1992 03:56:18 GMT
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In article <1b1ollINN6vt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Gil W. Lau) wrote:
> 
> My friend is looking for m-a movies with scenes with a three-sectional-
> staff.  He recently bought one of those convert-a-staffs to use as a
> bo, but since it was also a three-sectional staff, he wants to try to

I haven't seen them, but it strikes be that either this gives you a long bo
or a short three-section staff. Since each length of a 3-s-s should be the
length of your arm (I presume, shoulder to fingertips), plus 2-3" for
chains in between each length, the whole mess comes to about 8-9' in
length. A 3-section staff is NOT a triple nunchaku, in shape or in
application...

> learn some moves without killing himself.  I also have one, but I'm
> not crazy enough to even _try_ using it in three-sectional staff mode!

I actually went so far as to make a 3-section staff from hardwood hoe
handles (about 1" diameter), and it is perhaps the scariest object that I
own, including my lawnmower. I also have a book with 3-section staff
stances, blocks, a form (!) and applications. I'ts called _Technique and
form of the Three-Section Staff in Kung Fu_, written by Kam Yuen; I belive
the publisher is Ohara. I havent *learned* the form, though; most of the
swinging-around-the-body stuff is just too terrifying for me. (my kung fu
instructor recommened that I (a) pad the ends of the staff, and (b) wear a
helmet)

> I can only recall one movie, but don't remember the title.  It's where
> a villager learns kung-fu from Shaolin Temple and invents the tri staff
> when he cuts some bamboo during spear practice.

That would be _The 36th chamber of Shaolin_, a Shaw brothers film with the
excellent Liujia Hui in the leeding role (In the US, it was released as
_Master Killer_). Two other films with him also have some 3-s-s work; these
are _Legendary weapons of China_ (also 'Legendary weapons of Kung Fu') and
_Shaolin Challenges Ninja_ (3-s-s versus nunchaku, I think). Both are alsow
Shaw Bothers productions.

> 
>  -- Gil

Mark.
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From: khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Name, Rank, and Serial Number.
Keywords: Sensei or not to Sensei
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:51:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.8OCT199212514794
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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    Why do we English speakers continue to hang such mystic
    and power upon such Japanese words?  I find it amusing 
    that sempai is a title.  It only means that you are a senior
    student.  Kind of like being a Junior in college.  You are
    a sempai to the Freshmen and Sophmores but only a kohei to 
    the Seniors.   Sensei only means teacher, granted a lot is
    implied by calling comeone the sensei of a MA organization.

I once knew of some half-baked supposedly Chinese Martial Art in which
the "grandmaster" was called Sigung, the "heir to the style" was called
Sifu, all 3rd dan's and above who have written a paper and passed a test
were called Sensei, and Shodan's and up were called Sempai. 

As you can tell, I am very unenthusiastic about mixing Chinese Arts with
others. 

Kuo Hau Chang  :)               Praying for Mantis                (:
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From: kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re: *** Advice sought on Wing Chun ***
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:47:30 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kxs5829@ultb

In article <Bw68IE.HKz@max.physics.sunysb.edu> gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) writes:
>
>	I've heard that Wing Chun style was invented by a woman and is 
>specially designed for people with little physical strength. Is it true?

	Most people seem to agree on this point.

	- Kyle

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From: tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti)
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:25:31 GMT

There seems to be some confusion on Korean counting. The Ill, E,
Sam... versus Ha Na, Dool, Set .. comes from the fact that Koreans use
two systems of numbers. One is Chinese based and the other is
traditional Korean. Something like Roman numerals versus arabic
numbers, except more pervasive. The chinese based system is used for
counting large quantities, like money, dates, times... and the Korean
traditional system is used for small number of items. This is a
general rule, don't quote me, and I hope any Koreans out there forgive
any mistakes I may have made.  The traditional can be used for one,
two, three.. as well as first, second, third... One thing is Han Ge.
Two things are Du Ge. First thing is Ha Na. And the chinese can also
be used for counting and ordering.

125 is E Bek Ill Ship Oh ( one hundred, two tens, and 5) Chinese based
system. 

If you really want a thrill take a week or two and learn to read the
Korean writting system ( very very easy) and suprise your Korean
instructor. It may look chinese at first but it is really a phonetic
system of 14 consonants and 10 vowels put together to simulate chinese
characters. It is very organized and easy to learn. It makes learning
to read English look like learning to talk to Dolphins.

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From: ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:27:48 GMT

Actually, what I found attractive about the film was that it had GREAT acting
for a martial arts film (although you ARE right...there isn't any Van Damme- 
ism in it.  I thought that it was tastefully done, had a good, solid plot, a
useful theme, and great camera work without and stupid special effects.

Furthermore, I would rank it higher than Karate Kid, Iron & Silk, and almost all
of the others!  Enter the Dragon was a little better, but Bruce Lee was in it
(and that's an unfair advantange for any movie to have).


Respectfully yours,
The Harlequin
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: ESKRIMA Seminar by JIMMY TACOSA
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:18:48 GMT




                 SERRADA ESKRIMA SEMINAR BY MASTER JIMMY TACOSA

                 Date: Saturday, October 10, 1992.

                 Time: 11:30 am to 2:00 pm.

                 Cost: $ 20.

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                        (408) 446-4656  Brian Laufer
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           Master Jimmy Tacosa is one of the top Serrada experts
        in the realm of Eskrima in the United States. He was
        personally trained by the late Grandmaster Angel Cabales.
        Jimmy Tacosa was featured in "Inside Kungfu" and
        in "Eskrima Review". At present he is also making available
        a couple of videotapes of his version of the art.
           This seminar will cover mainly the Empty Hand system
        of Serrada Eskrima, known as Cadena de Mano.
           Don't miss this opportunity to meet one of the living
        legends in the circle of Serrada Eskrima!
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:15:23 GMT
Reply-To: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
>
>I've been doing Judo recently for about a year and am about to go in for my
>first Dan grading.  I haven't done any competitive fighting (apart from my 1st
>Kyu grading six months ago which wasn't much) for about 16 years, and styles
>have changed enormously.  One of the most obvious things is an undignified
>scrabble for grip.

I guess the problem these days is that people only tend to learn one or two
throws that work and therefore only need to have two grips.  Any other
grip and they're lost.

Some things that have worked for me (oh, I'm a 6' featherweight, U65Kg
so the people I tend to fight are short and fast):-

1) Grab a sleeve by uke's wrist,  let's assume that you grab uke's left
hand with your right hand, pull down to your feet diagonally (i.e.,
pull his left sleeve to your left foot, knee level is usually good
enough) this closes off uke's left hand side completely... then
enter for taniotoshi (valley drop) and as you do so, push uke's arm across
uke's body and use your left hand to grab uke's left knee to prevent uke
turning out of the throw onto his front.

If you grab uke's left with your left, then same procedure except the
throw becomes, ummmm, ohhh no I forgot, I'll have to describe :-(, err,
you've pulled the arm to your knee... your right leg goes onto floor
behind left knee... your right arm goes under their left to their right knee,
right shoulder into chest, push from legs and dump onto their back.

2) If you manage to grab both sleeves at the wrist then go for
sodeguruma (sleeve wheel)

3) Momentarily catching an arm and foot-sweeping at the same time, usually 
only worked in first few seconds but lovely when you caught them :-) however 
it does make them a bit more cautious when they know that you're not afraid to
sweep.

4) I found that the people who worried about their grips tended to
perform drop-seionage, so I worked on counters to that.

Any help?

Dave

   Dave Riches
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Summary: Is there an esoteric component to Kimewaza ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  9 OCT 92 10:11:42    


In article <5408@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes...

Interesting that he considers it a sister art to Ninjutsu.
I don't think the modern Nin practitioners consider it an
exclusively 'black' art, and I think a lot of their traditional
history is uniquely Japanese in origin, but their are enough
common elements to leave a trace of room for doubt.

Is there a component to Kimewaza akin to the esoteric
religious elements found in Mr. Hatsumi's Ninjutsu/Ninpo 
(Kuji-Kiri - finger knitting, power sounds, mandala, etc.).

>[To Dominik Zemmler: You say the art originates from Iceland, did you
>base this on the fact that your teacher was Icelandic?  In my opinion
>that is not a reasoning].

I hope Dominik isn't being unfairly addressed due to my joke about
monks in 4th century B.C. Iceland.  I knew you more likely meant Chinese monks
than Icelandic monks, and assumed that you meant 4th c A.D..  It just
seemed like a funny way to interpret the history.  :-)
Sorry if I caused some confusion.

						kind regards,
							todd
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From: farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Under Siege
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:41:40 PST
Organization: BBS

I just saw the latest Steven Seagal flick Under Siege. It's probably his best
film(although that's not saying much). It's certainly his most expensive.
In terms of Martial arts in the film there is very little just mediocer gun
fights. There is a knife fight at the end between Seagal and Tommy Lee Jones
but it's pretty lackluster(guess who wins). There are some nice gore set pieces
in the film. If your a Seagal fan you will probably like this drivel, if your
not you will be smart enough not to waste your time.
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Most Common Attacks in "the street"?
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:15:56 GMT
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In article 4019@newshost.unh.edu, tip@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy I Panagos) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone has any information about what types of
>attacks are encountered most often in a street type setting (ie. 
>not in the Dojo).  I was curious, having had no real practical 
>experience, what sort of attacks are the most useful to practise
>defense against.
>Being only a yellow belt, most of the forms and combos that I've 
>encountered deal with a rushing linear punch. Is this realistic?
>If no one really ever does this sort of thing, what should I learn
>defense for?
>
>Any thoughts?
>						tim....

I don't know if you can say anything is nomal about street attacks, however
to make some gross generalizations:

	Fights often start in stages.  The guy who wants to fight will
	yell, get in your face, swear, whatever to try to make you loose
	your cool.  You can often get out of these without a fight.  If
	you cannot, often they will escalate into pushing matches.  Don't
	let this happen.  Learn to react on the push.  He pushes you with
	two hands, you floor him.  He pushes you with one hand, you floor 
	him.  No problem.

	Attacks will often happen by stealth.  The attackers will try to
	get you from behinde or the side (at very close range).  Stay alert
	and read and this will not happen.  If it does happen, expect to
	get hurt, they are often armed with a knife, so learning how to
	deflect knife attacks from the rear might be helpfull...To be honest
	this is the ones that scare me the most.  Sometimes they are unarmed,
	when they come behinde.  Then it is common for a sleeper hold or choke 
	hold to be used.  But they will not put it on nice and neat like at the 
	dojo, they will pull you backwards, keep you off your feet and not let 
	you get leverage, big guys will shake you arround like a rag doll.

	Watchout for gangs of youths walking together, esp in colors.  Walk to
	the other side of the street, just get out of their way.  They will
	often attack with several people all at the same time.  Learn how
	to break the circle, how to deal with multiple attackers, learn how to
	dodge bullets.

There are 100's of other, I just picked these out of a hat.  The best thing to
train is just speed, reaction and timing.  Then, no matter what they do, you
will react, quickly and with force.  Don't realy on them to give you one specific
attack, they never will...


			= = = = = = =
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Aiki in Osotogari
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:39:31 GMT


geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland) writes:

> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>|> 
>|>    is meant by "extending one's Ki" in Aikido.  However I can see
>|>    no way to "extend" in any meaningful way with an Osotogari.  
>
>You off balance someone with osoto-gari by "extending" him out toward
>his rear corner, although its not uncommon to see people trying to
>a less effective method of dragging uke downward to his rear corner;
>either due to the overly defensive posture of the players or just
>bad habits. Even the reaping leg extends outward at first to help
>with the kuzushi, and then sweeps back in a with an easy, almost
>effortless motion rather than hooking the uke's leg and trying to
>pull it off the ground.


  Although this is very true, it is not at all what I meant by
  "extending".  'Extending' (or 'projecting' one's Ki) is not merely
  body movement, no matter how effortless it is.  In fact for me
  the proper feeling of extending is like conducting static electricity 
  right from the earth out the fingers; the body feels like it wants to 
  expand and open up. There is considerable strength, just of a different
  form than most people are used to, which is why it is so difficult to
  teach (and, since in America there is no sport I can think of that 
  really uses it, there is no convenient terminology for it either).  
  It's not mystical, just hard to describe.  And it is not always 
  applicable, as in osotogari as I contend --

   -- Ted --

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From: pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aiki in Osotogari
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:18:46 GMT
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In article <8343@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
|> In article <11058@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
|> >and use internal energy with only one foot on the ground.
|> 
|> I've seen my hsing yi teacher hold off someone pushing him while he had only
|> one foot on the ground.  It sure didn't look like the pusher had any sort of
|> advantage.
|> 
|> Just my two cents'....
|> 
|> Al

there's also stories of Kohichi Tohei Sensei of Shinshintoistu (sp?)
Aikido frame inviting people to knock him over sitting in a chair 
while he balances himself on 2 legs of the chair.  with people
failing in their attempt.

marciano pitargue@cisco.com
From: burkhold@next.com (Thomas Burkholder)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Keywords: judo, grips
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:17:12 GMT

>> (original stuff deleted)
>Hmmm...tough one...I don't know the rules, but can you use the opponents
>wrists in a throw?  Then the act of knocking your hands away becomes an
>entry for you.  Grab both wrists, push them together at the back of the
>hand, step across the body while directing the arms out and front at full
>extension, throw over the hip, maybe with a sweep.  Boom!

>I suspect that this is not Judo.  Can you motivate *any* throws off of
>the fingers, wrists or forearms?  Can you go past his brush-block and  
>quickly grab the upper arm with a sweep?

>What are the general restrictions of competition Judo, anyway?

I think this would be legal to most referees... just make sure you don't  
actually do a wrist _lock_.  There is one throw that works really well for  
this... I can't recall it's name though.  It involves grabbing both  
sleeves, lift uke's left arm high and straight, come in and turn (very  
little knee-bend) in a somewhat similar way to mrote-seionagi, then follow  
through with the arms.  Uke comes over Tore's back/right side.  Looks real  
awkward, but it can score up to waza-ari if done right.  Also, it leaves  
uke in a bad position on the ground.

I've noticed as well that for some reason the people that are real  
concerned about avoiding the grip are a lot easier to foot-sweep as well -  
I guess their attention gets focused on avoiding the arms... then at the  
right moment, pop! down they go.  Gotta be careful about those feet!

Just my $0.02.

-thomas
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: 3 section nunchaku
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:35:23 GMT
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In article <marcogan-121092135343@150.203.102.25> marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan) writes:
>A 3-section staff is NOT a triple nunchaku, in shape or in application...

	Exactly what are some applications of a 3 section nunchaku, and how
to they differ from 2 part nunchaku and 3-section staffs?
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: history of daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:13:27 GMT
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[steves response to my questions on d-r ajj]

thanks. also, i beleive _way of harmony_ is published by shambala publ.

-mukund
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")