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From: dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Best argument for single moderator and stupidity of voters
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:33:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.065213.27946@netcom.com> hrlaser@netcom.com (H.R. Laser) writes:
>When Perot pulled out of the race in July he cited one of his
>main reasons was that he didn't want to see the Presidency decided
>in the House of Reps.
>
>I haven't heard an explanation from him since he re-entered as to
>why he thinks that's no longer a concern. 

	He said he would run if he were on the ballot on all 50 states.
He ran one week after getting on the ballot of New York, the 50th state.

	He said he would run if we wanted him to, considering himself an
'option' if the other candidates ignored the concerns of the American voters.
They did ignore the voters, and he is running.

	Even if it is thrown into the house, the outcome will be the same.



	Only Perot can fix this country. Bush says he will change the cabinet
if elected. What a moron! If the cabinet is bad, he should fix it NOW. Not
after being elected. He said America is not 'coming apart at the seams', yet
hesays that teh American families are the heart of the country and they are
breaking apart. That is a contradiction. bush is so stupi; people must be
blind and deaf if they vote for him. 


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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Latest poll: one person polled, landslide for candidate X!
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:19:46 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Oct6.120827.4572@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	About these "polls" with less than 2000 people....
>
>	500 people = +- 10% error
>	1000 people = +- 5-6% error
>	2000 people = +- 3% error
>
>	Statistics in action.
>
	Not to put too fine a point on it, but what's your source for the
notion that error variance is a funtion of sample size alone?  There is some
sampling error in every poll, of course, and the more reputable polling
organizations usually report 95% confidence intervals or the like.
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From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Subject: MORE FACTS about the Moscow trip
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:19:43 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
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	Headline: KGB successor says no information on Clinton trip

	MOSCOW (UPI) -- The intelligence agencies that succeeded the 
	former Soviet KGB have no information on a 1969 student trip 
	to Moscow by Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton, 
	a Russian official said Friday.

	Vladimir Karpov, a spokesman for what is now called the Russian
	Intelligence Service, told the independent Interfax news agency 
	neither his organization nor the larger Security Ministry of which 
	it is part had any details on Clinton's activities during the trip.

I wonder what Bush, Baker, and Dornan will dream up next.

Allan
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.elections
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Debate results
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:54:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.005048.10487@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
 
>
>look folks, we're in a world-wide recession. as far as comparative
>ratings go the USofA is right up there at the top. we may not
>be in great shape, but we're doing better than most people have
>been lead to believe.
>
>jason "doesn't anyone know 'weather the storm' means anymore?" steiner
 
I really loved it when Bush used this line, then a few minutes later
reminded everyone if Jimmy Carter.  Let's see, now...
 
Jimmy Carter singlehandedly caused inflation and unemployment.  Let's
ignore the fact there was a worldwide stagflation going on at the time,
largely caused by huge increases in oil prices by OPEC.
 
George Bush's policies have had absolutely nothing to do with the
recession.  He is an innocent victim of worldwide events over which he
has no control.
 
Is Bush trying to play both sides, or what?
 
Jim McMaster
From: dfriedman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (D R Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Was George watching the Manchurian Candidate Movie??
Keywords: Wacko
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

This week I am firmly convinced that Ronald Reagan decided to help George
Bush with the meltdown of his campaign.  The scenario being used by
Bush -Clinton goes to Moscow as student and then-- is so similar to the
plot line used in the Manchurian Candidate that it looks like Ronnie
has his hands in the campaign strategy.  I am really surprised that the
GOP did not bring out secret documents that show Clinton's law school
career was financed by the KGB or that Hilary is a deep agent of the
KGB whose meeting and romancing by Bill was arranged by KGB.
If George starts using strange words during the debate, maybe he is
trying to get Bill to succumb to the programming done to him while
in Moscow.

Just imagine what the campaign would be like if Ronnie and GOP decided
to use the invasion of the body snatchers as the foundation for
attacks on Clinton.  George, the only salvation for mankind and the
human race and therefore he deserves to be president.  

Denny 
-------------------------------------

The true measure of trust:  Would you buy a used car from George or Dan?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: On the first debate among the presidential candidates
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:56:30 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct12.140908.10344@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
]Perot won the debate?? Oh please. Just goes to show you what differing
]expectations can do. If Clinton or Bush spewed out that nonsense that
]China is a "big country" and all its leaders are going to die soon anyway,
]their candidacies would be over. And if Clinton had grabbed his nose the
]way Bush did after mentioning cocaine, the nationwide snickering would
]be audible.

Whatever you say.... I'm a Bush supporter, but I think that Perot won
the debate hands down.


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Amazing!
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:48:56 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: But wait, there's more!!

In article <92286.122240STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>, STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Stan Horwitz) writes:
> You know what's most amazing about this race for Predent? Its the fact that
> so many American citizens don't have the good sense to come in out of the
> rain or to abandone a sinking ship. Only fools would stay in a burning house.
> Do you see where I'm going with this message?

	Yes.  Been there, done that :).

> The condition of our nation with respect to overall quality of life is in many
> ways, horrible and shameful. The fact that health care reform takes such a low
> priority with Bush and his ilk illustrates the fact that most of his friends
> can afford good health care and he cares nothing for those who cannot afford
> health care. 

	Health care (national, that is) is a low priority because Bush isn't a
statist kind of guy.  Although he does seem to be attracted to regulation....

> Our economy is in a dither thanks to Reagan spending so much and

	Nope.  The economy during Reagan's two terms was wonderful.  We pulled
out of the stagflation of the 70s into the largest peacetime expansion ever.

> Bush following suite. Bush continues to blame the entire situation on Congress.
> This is foolish. Has he forgotten what his hero Truman once said? Sure, our
> congress isn't perfect, its far from it, but apparantly Bush failed to see
> that his job is to be a leader. His job is to lead our citizens, our businesses
> and our congress in the proper direction to foster his agenda. Bush says he

	Sure, so give the prez the line item veto.

> will have a new congress soon. How does he know this? Last election, the Reps
> took a beating in Congress if memory serves so why would this electrion be any
> different. Bush must be psychic. Too bad he can't use his psychic powers in a
> practical way.

	He politicking.

> Oh well, my lunch hour's up and Bush supports will probably
> continue to bury their heads in the ground and ignore the suffering squalid
> conditions all around us. By the way, don't assume I support Clinton or Perot.

	Don't assume I support Bush :)

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: cah@tyr.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Randall Terry and the Death of the Republican Party
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Distribution: alt.politics.clinton
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:52:44 GMT

In article <SCOTTM.92Oct16104919@intime.intime.com>, scottm@intime.intime.com (Scott Michel) writes:
> Michael Lee (michaell@snake16.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
>    Ah well....they'll learn with the landslide coming in two and a half weeks....
> 
>    Michael Lee
>    Clinton/Gore '92 
> 
> Will you be so indignant if you lose? A pair of male individuals with an
> alternative lifestyle preference (ok, so I'm sucking up to PC :-) came
> past me whilst I was doing voter registration and said "Hey! Look! A
> urinal! Oh no, it's only Bush/Qualye Voter Registration." They proceeded to
> walk around the mall, returned, and posed the avidly intellectual question
> "Is this a male or female urinal?"
> 
> Y'all keep on shitting on us, and yet we keep on winning the Presidency.

My God, you're right.  I think I'll go slit my wrists now.

What is this all about?  Maybe it was too avidly intellectual for me.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Buy George
Organization: Godcorp
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:55:28 GMT

Q: What do Donald Trump, Charles Keating (S&L deadbeat), and Henry
   Kravis (Wall St. takeover artist) all have in common?

A: All are members of Team 100, a group of 249 individuals who
   contributed $100,000.00 or more to the 1988 Bush/Quayle campaign.

Team 100 consists mostly of the top execs from major investment firms,
government contractors, multinational corporations, and oil companies.

ARCO chairman Lodwrick Cook, along with the company and CEO, gave a
Bush and the Republican party $862,360.00.  According to the National
Petroleum Refiners Assoc., ARCO "gets most of the credit" for the
reformulated gas plank of the Clean Air Act.  The Bush administration
made a last-minute change in the act to allow reformulated gasoline
to be marketed in the USA.  This experimental fuel requires more oil
than traditional gasoline and emits more pollutants than other fuels.

Source: The Riverfront Times, July 8, 1992 (a St. Louis paper). The
article credits the June issue of Common Cause Magazine for most of
the figures.

I don't have figures handy for 1992 donations.  In a story aired during
the RNC, CNN investigated the source of Bush/Quayle 1992 donations.
Most of them traced back to U.S. Tobacco and big oil companies.  The
same story noted that former Prex. Gerald Ford was ferried to the RNC
by private jet, compliments of Atlantic Richfield (oil company).

I just thought people might like to know who the money is behind the
Bush/Quayle ticket.  Not that it comes as any surprise that Republicans
get most of their money from rich individuals and corporations.

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From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: ==> Rhetoric Vs. Reality--The First Debate
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:27:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct13.020924.18159@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
...
>For example, an across the board cut in income taxes of 1% of income
>will give a millionaire $10,000 less in taxes, and someone making
>$20,000 less than $200 less income. So the millionaire got
>a "bigger" break.  So what? the *proportion* of taxes paid doesn't
>change much.
...

    So what?  Since we are running a budget deficit, cutting income
    taxes by 1% across the board amounts to collective borrowing
    on a credit card where the millionaire gets to borrow 100 times more 
    than somebody making $20,000 a year.  Does it mean that, when
    our collective bill comes due, the rich guy will end up paying
    100 times more too?

    I do not have the numbers, but seeing GHWB (who undoubtly has done
    his homework) running around the country and offering everybody
    a 1% tax cut, as long as he gets it too, I am willing to bet that
    the answer is NO.  That is, if Bush has his way on taxes, I'll 
    end up paying my share of the borrowing costs, and some of his too.

    Now, if he offered to increase the personal deduction, I might
    take it, but he will not, 'cause such a tax cut would not benefit 
    him, and people like him, personally.


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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: China and Health Care interviews
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:02:02 GMT

In article <Bw5o8w.9Iw@beach.csulb.edu> sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:

>The current (ancient) leaders [of China] don't exhibit any inclination to
>not crack down and 

Um, by historical standards they haven't cracked down. Tienamen Square
was at best a very minor incident in the long and brutal history of the
Communist Party of China. If you want to see a crackdown, go look at
the Great Leap Forward campaign or better still, the Cultural Revolution.

It could very well be that MFN status is what is preventing crackdowns
like in the past. China needs it to keep its economy moving. Without it,
things would get much worse much faster. To maintain control, the Party
would resort to far more serious abuses like the Cultural Revolution.

>it is likely that anyone who disagreed with that
>policy will be purged from the party and government. 

Like Boris Yeltsin was purged. Like Vaslac Havel was purged.

>WHAT INCENTIVE
>DOES GRANTING MFN GIVE THEM TO CHANGE ?

MFN gives them the incentive to not kill literally millions of people
to maintain control. In the meantime, the exchange is rotting the
base on which the Party is built. 

No, it may give us more satisfaction to revoke mfn and it wold cause
serious pain to China. However most of that pain would be born by
the people you want to protect. 

Worse, the loss of exchanges would end the very process which will bring
about peaceful change in China's government.

  Allen

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From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Decaturville, TN
Date: 15 Oct 1992 23:12:12 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In article <1992Oct15.205203.10863@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.171153.2019@odin.corp.sgi.com> zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeff Zurschmeide) writes:
>
>Not so amazing. As the WSJ points out, BOTH sides are equally guilty of
>this kind of shit.
>
>For example, todays WSJ has printed 2 letters from Democrats asking
>various export offices to help out in exporting billions of dollars
>worth of goods to Iraq (pre-Desert Storm).
>
>Don't vote -- it just encorages 'em.
>


Phil, I see that you and Bush are running against Congress not against
Clinton. Did Clinton do that? If not the fact that some Democrats did 
has very little if any bearing on the matter.


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>Oppressors using dull rocks to hunt and the Politically Correct Women of
>Vision and Strength(tm) using leaves for tampons.
>
>These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)


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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics,austin.politics,austin.talk,austin.general
Subject: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:43:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


Everyone these days say that they are ready to dump George Bush.

Most people are happy with his foreign policy, (i.e. Iraq/Kuwait,) but
have the complaint that his domestic policy either hasn't been
implemented because he failed to get it through Congress, or that it
was going in the wrong direction anyway.

The Federal Government is gridlocked and "We the People," want to take
it out on George Bush.

These sentiments are understandable.  But if you're honest you have to
agree that Congress is at least part of the problem.  And if they're
part of the problem, then shouldn't sending them home be part of the
solution also?

Be fair this November people, if you're gonna vote for Bill Clinton,
vote for the "other guys" in Congress too.

You say you don't even know your representive's name?  Don't worry,
you'll recognize it when you see it.

Just keep this simple rule in mind:

	If the name on the ballot looks pretty familiar, 
		DON'T VOTE FOR HIM!

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From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: ==> Rhetoric Vs. Reality--The First Debate
Date: 12 Oct 1992 16:29:32 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Yes, I am sure that it would be better to spend all the federal money involved 
in AIDS on research.

Treatment can make the suffering of those who have the disease marginally less
horrible and extend their lives. 

Research holds out the hope of learning how the eliminate the suffering of
those same people and prevent their deaths due to the disease.