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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell)
Subject: Re: good mac magazines
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:27:53 GMT

In article <C0Mn4v.B6v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole) writes:
>In <1993Jan9.225118.15026@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chris.Hynes@launchpad.unc.edu 
>(Chris Hynes) writes:
>
>
>> Does anyone out there know what the best mac magazine is for
>>the business community.  MacUser and MacWorld seem more geared to the
>>individual user, but I don't read either of them regularly enough to know
>>if this is relly true.  I am looking to start up a small bookstore in the
>
>
>(more stuff I am not up to answering deleted) 
>
>Unfortunately, the only widely available Mac monthlies are MacWorld and 
>MacUser. There perhaps SHOULD be a business-oriented one, but there is not at 
>this point any that could substitute for either.  I think the business user is
>likely to be more pleased with the orientation and depth of MU over MW, which 
>tends to be more prone to error and even silly sensationalism (like a cover 
>story 2 years ago on the coming crop of Mac Clones)  and is often still locked
>into the concept of the business Mac being a graphics and DTP machine.
>
>That's all pretty subjective of course. Try investing the $40 or so in a year's
>subscription to both (MU goes for $19.99 or so to new subscribers, I assume MW
>does as well) and read them for a while to get a good sense of what appeals to
>you. A cursory look at one or two issues of either can be misleading. It is 
>often useful to get the different views of the two.
>

Yes, you really need to decide for yourself which publication is for
you.

I find that MacWorld is really obsessed with graphics and publishing.
Which is fine for me since that is what I'm interested in. For some
of my programming friends, this is the reason why they stay away from
it.

I really think you should take a look at both magazines and find the
one that fits your interests. Everyone on the net will have a 
varied opion and you will still be unsure which magazine to look at.

Flip


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From: peterm@dna.lth.se (Peter Moller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Faxgate on a network
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:31:15 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

PETER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.edu (Peter Furmonavicius) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.105704.10094@news.unige.ch>
>jordi@marsun1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Steve JORDI) writes:
> 
>>Hello,
>>We have a Mac network which consists of several MacIIci and a Mac Quadra 950
>>as a server. We run QuickMail and FaxGate in order to let any Mac user send
>>faxes directly from their own Macs. It works quite correctly except

>Hi.  We use a FlexFax modem from Circuit Research with very good results.

I don't have any answers to give you Steve, but a question in stead: can
this "FaxGate" turn a fax modem into a resource that is reachable over the
entire network (instead of being usable only to the Mac it's connected to)?
If so, do you have any info on manufacturer etc?
If *not* so, do you now about such software?

Thanx!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: twosheds@ferris.cray.com (Jay Vollmer)
Subject: Re: SCSI id of a Laser Writer IIg
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:52:06 CST

In article <1993Jan4.102428.11560@tdb.uu.se> Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se writes:
>Michael Rowland (rowley@theporch.raider.net) wrote:
>: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman ) writes:
>: 
>: > zmyd02@hou.amoco.com (Denton Meredith) writes:
>: > : In article 29412@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk, ivan sin <ivan-sin@cuhk.hk> () writes:
>: > : >How can I find out the SCSI id of a IIg printer?
>: > : >Is it id=7 just like the id of a mac system, I guess?
>: > : 
>: > : 
>: > : I may be completely screwed up on this, but as I recall, printers are not S
>: > : 
>: > No.
>: > 
>: > Every SCSI device has an address, including the CPU.
>: > 
>: > Greg.
>: > 
>: Printers are not SCSI devices. They are usually AppleTalk (serial), or 
>: sometimes Direct serial connected.
>: The Mac cpu is always SCSI address 7. If your computer has an internal 
>: hard drive, chances are it's SCSI address = 0. There can be up to six 
>: devices in between, but their SCSI ID's are not dependent on startup 
>: order... they each have a fixed ID #.
>: Some hard drives let you change their ID's by software...avoid them.
>
>I don't know exactly what the original poster meant by his question, but if
>the laser printer supports a SCSI hard disk for font storage, it certainly
>must be a SCSI device. But from the Mac point of view, it's a simple serial
>or appletalk device.
>

A SCSI device can be anything you want it to be.  GCC used to sell (still
does?) a laser printer that connected to the SCSI port (doesn't this imply
that this printer was a SCSI device?)

If you have a SCSI hard-disk connected to a printer, the printer would be the
bus-master and therefore ID=7.
-- 
___________________________
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twosheds@ferris.cray.com  |                                   --Walt Whitman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Ray Zimmerman <rz10@cornell.edu>
Subject: What is a "protected" file?  (ResEdit Get Info)
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76F13EA3602E0B5@ziklag.ee.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15: 31:06 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rz10@cornell.edu
Organization: Electrical Engineering, Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:22:41 GMT

Recently I ran into some files which the finder says can not be
copied or duplicated.  I did a "Get File/Folder Info ..." in ResEdit
and it says the file is "Protected".

However, protected is not a check box.  What is "protected" anyway?
How do I unprotect it?  How do I protect other files?

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 Ray Zimmerman           \ 397 Theory Center, Electrical Engineering
                          \ Cornell University, Ithaca NY  14853
 Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu \ Phone: 607-254-8819  Fax: 607-255-9072
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        "The number you have dialed is imaginary.
                    Rotate phone 90 degrees and try again."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Settings in MacDraw Pro????
Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  6 Jan 93 05:10:51 GMT

tjs@earth.wustl.edu (tom sullivan) writes:


>Is there some way to make MacDraw Pro default to Times font? How about
>remembering menu changes (Pen and Font)? This seems to be a simple
>request, but I can't find anything in the manual.

Yes.  Just select Times when *no* objects are selected.  That will be the
default from then on.  Same trick with other settings.

-- 
Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: proksch_mike-il27@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com ()
Subject: MacWeek
Organization: Motorola Inc. CID
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:55:38 GMT

I am attempting to get a subscription to MacWeek, but am finding it very 
difficult to get a hold of.  I have sent in subscription cards and have
tried calling the subscription department (no answer!).  Could someone please 
provide the key to getting a subscription to this publication.

Thanks

Mike Proksch
From: omh@cs.brown.edu (Owen M. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Looking for New York City User's Group
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:21:32 GMT

In article <1itianINNcaf@pollux.usc.edu> suhler@pollux.usc.edu (Paul Suhler) writes:
>I'm looking for a Mac user's group in New York City for my
>brother-in-law.  Can anyone give me someone to call?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul Suhler

Check out the NYMUG - New York Macuser's Group.  Don't know their
address or contact, but they're a great bunch of people, even if they
are from New York :-)

I met them at Boston MacWorld a couple of years ago.

-Owen
.

Owen Hartnett				omh@cs.brown.edu
"FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
		without knowledge, of things without parallel."
			-Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary
From: gwc@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Greg F Walz Chojnacki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Trimming size of "System Software" in System 7?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:19:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: gwc@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: gwc@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I'm a newcomer to Macs, and even newer to System 7, so I need some help
with the following:

We have SEs weith 4 Mb memory, and I'd like to get the "system Software"
memory as low as possible to have room for other applications --
and, I hope, to spped things up a bit.

So . . . What does into the system software (as e.g., fonts do) and where
might I economize to gain some memory? (Note, I don't want to install the
minimal installation.)

Thanks for your tips.

Greg
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Turning off RAM disk?????
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:41:20 EDT
Organization: NMB productions
Reply-To: chinchilla!niel@cars.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1

OK, I tried a RAM disk and I don't like it.  I want to turn it off.
The memory cotrol panel tells me I can't turn it off if there are
files on it.  Fine, I delete the files.  Still can't turn it off.
OK, I delete the invisible files.  Still can't turn it off.  Well,
maybe I need to empty the trash.  I can't empty the trash, because
the invisible files I just trashed are still in use.  OK, maybe if
I reboot, it will let me turn it off, since there's no files on it.
No, sorry, on reboot, the desktop files are rebuilt so there are files
on the RAM disk which I can't delete to turn off the RAM disk since
they are in use and can't be deleted!

How the hell do I remove the RAM disk?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jordi@marsun1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Steve JORDI)
Subject: Faxgate on a network
Reply-To: jordi@scsun.unige.ch
Organization: University of Geneva	
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:57:04 GMT

Hello,
We have a Mac network which consists of several MacIIci and a Mac Quadra 950
as a server. We run QuickMail and FaxGate in order to let any Mac user send
faxes directly from their own Macs. It works quite correctly except
that we have a problem with the fax itself: It decides that the remote
fax isn't responding only after 3 remote rings. Since several faxes answer
a call only after 6 or 8 calls, we want our fax to wait 6 or 8 calls.
It seems that our fax has incompatibilities. So we are looking for a 
new fax/modem, able to work with FaxGate and QuickMail, under System 7.
Our actual fax is an Orchid Fax. The fax itself is connected to the Quadra server, that's why we use faxGate and QuickMail.

Does anybody have any suggestion for a good and reliable fax-modem ?

Thanks for any help !

Sincerely,

Steve Jordi                

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: scharf@lrs.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Ron Scharf)
Subject: Re: Mac to Sun
Organization: LRS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:58:01 GMT

wstomv@wsinpa04.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff) writes:

>In article <1993Jan10.211456.11663@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee) writes:
>>I'm interesting in porting some text files from a macintosh to a sun using
>>only disks.  Question: What's the best way to do this?
>>
>>I've tried saving the files to disks on my mac using MS-DOS format, but 
>>I don't know how to tell the sun to read a MS DOS disk. I've heard that it
>>is possible.
>>
>>Is there another way? Or, does anyone have a sol'n to this problem.

>To read MS-DOS disks on SUNs you can use the public domain (?) software
>package called mtools.

If you have a SUN running SUN-OS 4.1.x (Solaris 1.0.1), you may directly
mount MS-DOS disks. Your /etc/fstab should therefore include a line like:

/dev/fd0   /pcfs   pcfs rw,noauto 0 0

After mounting your disk, you can use the /pcfs directory to access files.

Bye
	Ron
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 11:36:12 EST
From: Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Where's "ChineseTalk" app??

In article <1993Jan8.150944.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, ggale@vax1.umkc.edu says:
>
>A British colleague mentioned that she'd gotten an app called "ChineseTalk"
>from a cd-rom 'developer's disc'. I couldn't find any mention of it at
>apple.com apda. Does anyone know where I might find this program? I'd
>appreciate the info a bunch. Thanks! please reply via e-mail.
>George
>IN%"ggale@vax1.umkc.edu"





DANGER WIL ROBINSON! DANGER DANGER!

"ChinaTalk" a system extension that ships with a readme file explaining
that it privides a female voice for MacinTalk.  It is a Trojan Horse!

This INIT will reassign random garbage to file and folder names in
the directory file, making them unaccessable.

This file has been listed in the MacWorld Virus Watch for several
months.  Don't be fooled!

    -----> Jon                                   Jon Carr
    -----> IO91748@MAINE.BITNET                  36 Forest Ave
    -----> IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU               Orono, ME 04473
    How about those 21-0-1 BLACK BEARS!!!  M-A-I-N-E GO BLUE!!!!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Munn)
Subject: Re: Grammar checker comparison(MSWord5 vs Correct grammar)
Keywords: Grammar checker
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:55:13 GMT

In article <C0E61v.1vM@rice.edu> owhadi@sirocco.rice.edu (Eric Owhadi) writes:
>
>I would like to share my experience whith these two grammar checker.
>
>Here is the sentence to correct: 

     >What I thinks and says is not necessary the only valid opinion
     >you could find since computer science is not a science like
     >mathematics and physics that rely on axiom and theorem supposed
     >true.

Here's what my grammar checker (the one in my head) says:

	thinks > think
	says > say
     	necessary > necessarily
	you > one
        and > or
        that > which
        axiom > axioms
        theorem > theorems
        supposed > supposedly  (???)

At 'supposedly' I got lost, and don't quite know what the sentence is
saying. The main point is, as has been mentioned before on this
newsgroup, grammar checkers are much like spell checkers.  They're
never going to tell you everything, and they can easily make mistakes.
In this case, neither grammar checker comes even close to advising you
about things that are *just plain wrong* about your sentence.  (And I
mean linguistically wrong, not just stylistically wrong.)  On a whim I
passed the text of a published article of mine through a grammar
checker and it 'failed' miserably simply because it misinterpreted
many crucial words which in turn triggered rules that were irrelevant.

In this case, the opposite occurred.  If I were you, (and I don't
address this specifically to you, but to any non-native speaker who is
trying to write in English) I would get a human to read your work,
preferably one who is a native English speaker.  I know that many
universities have volunteer programs to help foreign students with
proofreading. Grammar checkers are probably only helpful to native
speakers, who usually have a good idea of how to rewrite sentences
that the checker balks at.
        
Alan

>MS World >>> Sentence correct.
>
>Correct grammar >>> thinks -> think
>		    says -> say
>		    like -> as
>
>I thought these two grammar checker came from the same algorithm, now
>I am sure I was wrong.
>
>I am going to use Correct Grammar 3.01 since this sentence was not
>made to block MS World grammar checker.
>
>Eric.
>
>owhadi@geophysics.rice.edu


-- 
Alan Munn                     <amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Dept. of Linguistics, CB# 3155 UNC Chapel Hill NC 27599
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Ravi Konchigeri <mongoose@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Check for bad SIMMs
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A77312B7C40100ED@kimball-pc-316.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:15:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:11:33 GMT

	My friend ran into a very big problem recently.  He has a IIcx w/ 5 megs
RAM (4 1 meg SIMMs and 4 256K SIMMs).  He tried upgrading to 8 megs by
replacing the 256Ks with 1 megs.  When he rebooted he got a strange error
jingle.  He removed the new SIMMs, replaced the original configuration,
but it now gives the normal startup chime and then immediately goes into
a different error jingle.  When he tried running with only the 256Ks
installed the computer booted (but couldn't load System 7 w/ 1 meg RAM,
of course).
	We think that the new SIMMs are bad or of the wrong type and that one of
the old SIMMs has fried.  Is there any way to check the SIMMs without
sequentially swapping in good SIMMs to isolate the bad one?
	Also, does anyone know of a reference that details the specific error
sounds for specific machines?  Thanx in advance.


	"Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."

Ravi Konchigeri.
mongoose@leland.stanford.edu
From: breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Magnavox CD-ROM player???
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:44:27 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone know anything about the Magnavox CDD-461 CD-ROM/Audio CD
player? I know it has been discontinued, but I can get one at a real
bargain and was wondering if it would be worth it. If you have any
info. on this CD-ROM, please let me know.
From: philip@bmerh924.bnr.ca (Philip Fleischer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: ? FAQ info
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: philip@bnr.ca (Philip Fleischer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


I know there is at least one FAQ for Mac but it does not answer
the question I have.

I have heard the tool used to open an SE referred to as a 
Mac Cracker.  There should be another name or at least a name
for that screwdriver end.  What is it?  How can I get one?

The FAQ I have seen, I found in an archive.  I looked but could
not find in the mac newsgroups I looked in, any FAQs.   Is there
more than one FAQ relevant to macs?  Is there an official place
where they are kept?

If you have a good answer please email me.  I look at the mac
groups but the article turnover makes it easy to miss things.

philip@bnr.ca
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: HyperTalk Class Wanted
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:50:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: regional
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant

Who offers HyperTalk (HyperCard) programming classes in 
the SF Bay Area?

BILL COURINGTON
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:21402 comp.sys.mac.wanted:12345
From: myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Michael Dautermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: check mac.archive.umich.edu Re: Shareware/freeware hard disk "profiler"???
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:33:21 -0500
Organization: We're from the government, ma'am
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu
Summary: oh... you mean FileList?
Keywords: profiler shareware freeware

In article <craigh.726252783@cserver> craigh@cserver.plexus.com (Craig Heilman) writes:
>Can anyone suggest a shareware/freeware hard drive profiling utility?
>By profiling utility I mean something like Now Profiler that creates
>a text file listing of all the applications/extensions/cdevs etc. that
>exist on a hard drive.  I have Now Profiler but I need something that
>will also work with System 6.0.x.

  
you might mean this, Craig...

/mac/util/diskfile/filelist1.4.cpt.hqx
  45      1/5/91    BinHex4.0,StuffIt1.5.1
 
   Lists out all the files inside a mounted volume (be it a server,
   hard disk, or floppy), allows you to do a batch insert, list, and
   eject, also lists file names inside StuffIt archives!
 
/mac/util/diskfile/filelistplus1.0b20.sit.hqx
 329    12/23/91    BinHex4.0,StuffIt1.5.1
 
   This version of Filelist 1.4 was enhanced by  another author.  In
   addition to the standard  features of filelist, this one allows
   you to match files via lists and compare, print special fields,
   options for the display of volumes,  and more...  1.0b20


there might be some other files in the util/diskfile directory
that would suit your needs.  Our complete index (i.e. pathnames
and descriptions) is kept in the 00help directory as the "index.txt"
file.

If you want to get on our frequent files list, just drop me a note
at "mac-recent-request@mac.archive.umich.edu".
  
Hope that helps!

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From: eagle@silver.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: MacLC on UUCP
Summary: How do I get a MacLC on UUCP
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1993Jan11.194354.16381
Followup-To: eagle@ag.lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Can anyone on the net tell me if there are some inexpensive
ways to hook my Macintosh LC [10/105, 2400 bps modem] up to
UUCP through a phone line, inexpensively for personal use ?
Where do I get a link? What software do I need? What else ?


eagle@silver.lcs.mit.edu	My first unanswered FAQ....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: lamont@catfish16.rtsg.mot.com (Bradley Lamont)
Subject: A list of important share/free ware inits for a new user
Reply-To: lamont@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:14:38 GMT

What inits/cdevs would you reccomend to a new user of a macintosh.
I am trying to help several people and am making up a list of what I
feel is improtant to have but is relatively cheap.

SuperClock
DepthGuage (for color machines)

What else do you think is essential?

Brad 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc