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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:45:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.073709.28386@leland.Stanford.EDU>
yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
>...
>Mr Joe is venting his frustrations at the entire Chinese race, when
>the crime is committed by only a handful of misguided Chinese leaders.

Chinese infanticide is not a crime "committed by only a handful of
misguided Chinese leaders."  The submachine gunning of Taiwanese
around 1949 was not a crime "committed by only a handful of misguided
Chinese leaders".

>Does
>Mr Joe want me, a Singaporean, to suffer his hatred and apologize to the world
>for what the political figures of China did, just because I am a Chinese?
>

Does Mr. Lee want the Japanese to suffer his hatred and apologize to
the world for what the political figures of Japan did, just because they
are Japanese?

>  That
>is bigotry, Mr Joe.

That is bigotry, Mr. Lee.

>
>>You should admit that no land where there is a majority of Chinese-cu
>>is there a democracy in the sense of the ideals of the Bill of
>>Rights.  That includes Singapore.
>
>Assuming that the Bill of Rights is an "ideal".

This is something that a Chinese-cu would say.

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From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HANGUL.faq
Keywords: HANGUL,UNIX,PC,MAIL,TeX,EMULATOR
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:07:18 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin) writes:


>Subject:   6) Are there Hangul TeX packages running on Macintosh or IBM-PC?

>    Yes. There is commertial version of Hangul TeX running on Macintosh.
>I don't know much about it in detail, but you can contact Prof. Ko Ki-hyung
>at knot@math1.kaist.ac.kr to ask detailed questions.

>    But there is not supported Hangul TeX package running on IBM-PC.
>You can hack the files in hlatex to port it onto IBM-PC. If anybody succeeds
>in such a hack, please let me know.

 For Macintosh, it is very easy to port Hangul LaTeX. You just need to
 compile the c code convert program (which is in the Hangul latex package
 for Unix)
 on the Mac. And place style files and fonts in the appropriate folders.
 That's all!

 Then you ,under Hangul system, edit a document 
 with your favorite word processor.
 Run the c program to get input file for LaTeX. Run your LaTeX program.
 My test was very sucessful with OzTeX (which is free.) 
 , but very short documents only. 
 (less than 2 page).

 Actually, I did it under help of one of my friends who already did the same job
 for his ibm-pc compatible.

Good luck to anyone interested in Hangul TeX.

D. Choi
From: kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Ok-Hyeon Kim - ES55)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Unix Hangul-OS ?
Keywords: Unix OS Hangul
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:34:46 GMT
Organization: NASA/MSFC

sashzp@lion.unx.sas.com (Heungsun Park) writes:


>Hello, 

>I'm using SUN-SPARC Station based on Unix oftenly, and found that
>many chinese students use their own characters through e-mail.
>They said they have their own share-ware Chinese OS for Sun Station.

>Do we(korean) have Hangul OS for SUN ?   or is there anyway to communicate
>each other through e-mail in Hangul ?  What's is SUN-KLE ?  How can I
>get this if it is useful ?

>Please help me..

>                        Heungsun Park
>                        sashzp@unx.sas.com

Me, too==============
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: the answers GMT was looking for (Re: Chinese questions)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:53:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug18.045555.17927@news.nd.edu> ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu writes:
>(8) Korean have a lot of traditional customs. chinese are not used to many of
>    them. for example, the lower generation can not smoke in front of upper
>    genaration in any case. The way how can you sit down and when are very
>    complicated. Some chinese think it is too old fashioned.

	I thought chinese does ths same; maybe, I was wrong.

>(9) Korean films are EXTREMLY slow. The actresses and the actors cry very
>    very often and nunecessary. 

	Yes! I hate those; especially, with stupid music, characters
	wander around thinking for couple of minutes - couple of minutes
	are very long time in T.V. or movie.

	And that's why I stop watching K. T.V. program after first couple
	of that series in most cases.

BTW, this is one of the better articles (I think) I've read;
even with a bit lenghtiness, I could finish it up.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.025107.28591@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp> 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Hello, how are you ?) writes:
>In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>>My question:
>>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>>need of an apology to Korea either.
>
>  Chinese government, either Beijing or Taibei, had never asked an
>apology from Japanese. Only Korea's seems like the apologies from
>other people, not only Japanese but also Chinese. A nationality who
>need otherperson's apology everyday will not be a devoloped, great
>nationality forever.

Ah, you must be Japanese, I see you go to Waseda University. You must
be ashamed of your ignorance, for you once thought that you were bright
and unbiased because you made it into one of Japan's most prestigious
universities. How sad, many people are like you, always second guessing
themselves. But, Korea would not be a nation that always asks for 
apologies if Koreans weren't the victims of such aggresion. To believe
otherwise, like you do, would be ignorant, racist, and biased, since no 
one race would have the need to seek apology in their genes.

>-- 
>			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp

P.S. My grandfather graduated from Waseda in 1937. He is not biased, a 
testiment to the fact that not all people from Waseda are like you.
















Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:39:27 GMT

In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>
>I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
>soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
>	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.
>
>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

gee, china invaded korea once but protected her thrice, what more do you ask?
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Additional Chinese questions
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:53:38 GMT

And it seems like we have another nameless Chinese writer.

In article <92228.214112SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   hi, there, there is nothing to be shamed of been a chinese. As a mainlander
> I accidently rushed into this group and stucked by the topic, but I still
> won't think anything wrong to be linked with chinese or their culture, even
> if someone try to insult chinese here.

I think you joined one or two days too late.  You seem to have missed the
seed of all this discussion.  If you are referring to my posting as an
'insult' then I would like to inform you that my postings were nothing
more, nothing less than what Denny wrote except the Korean and Chinese were
interchanged.   And as for the Chinese man being unable to write their
name, I never wrote such thing.  Denny kindly wrote the sentence and put >
in front of it to make it look like my quote.

> However it is realy interesting post who impose the idea that you are Chinese
> based on your question. I guess you should get the answer that how polite
> and gental Korean are(At least people in this group, if not all).

I wonder how polite other people are when told "F*ck you" and "As*h*le" type
of language.  At that point, I would wonder if they are polite or if they
do not understand what they are being told.

>  You may post same question to scc and pretend yourself as Korean, see how
> netters answer you if you like. It will be a very interesting compaison.

>  You certainly has some chinese blood there. -). Don't use the chinese
> way to defense yourself. Use the westen way, that is: The best defense
> is offense. -)

He needs no guidance in this part.  He is very western already few days
before you joined the discussion.

> No flame please. This post should be private for denny only, somehow I
>thought more people should learn some leason.

My response was for you only.  The main lesson is to know the whole
picture before making any comment or generalization.  I thought others may
want to learn some lesson as well.

Why won't you sign your name after this wonderful lesson?

James Choi
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 1992 08:53:50 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Aug20.211923.10986@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

(all deleted...yawn)

Dwight,

You seem to be forever venting your fury at the world for some 
personal slights you seemed to have received long ago from someone 
Chinese. Are you rebelling against your parents for trying to 
spoon-feed Chinese culture down your throat, or getting back at some 
thoughtless jerk who once called you a "jooksing" ?

I feel sympathy for your pain, but you're going about it the wrong 
way.  With your rabid racist nonsense, you're only showing the same
irrationality that you attribute to Chinese-cu "twits".  True that
some Chinesekoos (trademark JH) may make themselves and their culture
look bad in flaming you, but only as bad as you make yourself appear
on almost every post. 

I like to pass along something to you from a speech by the Dalai Lama.

Have a nice day.

Joe Huang
---------

   "A good heart should be a part of your life. Then again, it is not 
sufficient to cultivate mental development only on the positive side. 
But we need a certain effort to reduce the negative side of our mind, 
such as anger. Now there are a variety of angers. Some anger -- I 
quite agree with some modern psychologists who believe that it better 
to express anger. There is a certain anger which comes due to some 
previous negative experience. Such things express one's injured 
feelings...."
   "Generally, if we, without any effort, simply let anger come, then 
it eventually increases. Once we realise that anger is something 
negative, a troublemaker, once we realise that, even the realisation 
itself makes some difference.  So now, what is the usefulness of anger? 
Anger is something quite cunning, quite clever....anger gives us more 
energy, more strength. Yes, anger brings us more energy, but then -- 
if you look closely, that energy is like a blind energy. It is not at 
all sure whether that energy will become constructive or destructive, 
useful or harmful. "
   "And wisdom -- when anger dims our light, during that moment, it 
destroys the best part of the human brain. That's true -- in our own 
experience, you see, when we lose our temper, during that moment we 
use all the negative words or bad behaviour, things like that -- then, 
after anger is reduced or disappears, you feel very shy, you feel 
embarrassed to meet that person . This shows that anger dominates our 
mind; during that moment a person really becomes something like mad. 
So therefore, anger always brings us negativity."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3754 soc.culture.asian.american:8283 soc.culture.asean:5601
From: shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:32:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.

In article <1992Aug21.060239.23144@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
   >I think you are confused with the different chinese groups that are involved in
   >WWII. There are four groups which I can think of:
   >1. Mainland chinese 2. Taiwanese  3. oversea chinese that are directly affected
   >by the war. 4. Oversea chinese that are not directly affected. I believe that
   >malaysian chinese belongs to group 3.

   What kind of crap is this?

   The "overseas Chinese" are _not_ Chinese.  They are Americans, French, etc.
   I just "love" it when a Chines-cu twit lumps them all under the label
   Chinese.  Long ago, Koreans were Chinese-ge.  Ever further back, Koreans
   were African-ge.  But then, a Chinese-cu can't understand, can he?

Dwight: keep this shit _out_ of s.c.a.a.

As you yourself have said a million times, this is _not_ about
Asian-Americans, so keep your Chinese/Korean-bashing in the appropriate
group(s).  If you have something relevant to say about Americans of Asian
ancestry, say it.

If "overseas Chinese" are not Chinese, then 90% of your posts do NOT belong
on s.c.a.AMERICAN -- do you understand this, or is it too difficult to
fight against your own "Chinese-cu" programming?

If you want to bash Chinese and Koreans, go over to s.c.china,
s.c.hongkong, s.c.taiwan, s.c.asean, and s.c.korean, where they will give
you the welcome you deserve.

-Andy
From: news@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: KOREAN RELATED SOFTWARE FTP SITE IN USA; DANSI UPLOADED.
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:15:31 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL


Hi. Yesterday I uploaded KOREAN HANGUL FONT CARD emulator ,KOREANWP.ZIP
 into a ftp site " nic.funet.fi " under directory pub/culture/korea.

It emaultes korean font and supports kscode, sambo, dkby, dkbii, dkby2
-- nearly all of the korean codes.  This is for VGA only, but there are two softwares for hercules mode, 
dkby.com and dark.com: dbky is tsr program which can be initiated by 
bosuk word processor. (sambo computer developed this wp.) dark.com is
the software to remove dkby.com from memory. If you do not have bosuk wp,
those two are unnecessary. However bosuk wp is so powerfull that we can
get korean spread sheet and dbase so easily. I have used this function 
for the church book keeping.

The other softwares are all for vga only. Once they are loaded into PC
memory, by typing right shift+cntl+space, the screen mode converted to gr
mode, then by typing left shif+space, you are in hangul mode.
In this mode you can type korean font even on qbasic edit mode. (You should
turn off 43/50 line mode on qbasic editor).

This zip file (koreanwp.zip or lhx file) include several doc files and
sam files you can read directly from dos command "type" or  xtree gold
view or "list.com" program in  korean . 
Also I could type korean document even on PERSONAL EDITOR.
The files typed in any kind of editor program(q.exe etc) can be imported
to HWP word processor and can be printed. Thos files included in this 
zip file will explain how to use very well.



Also let me tell you how to upload your files into this ftp site.
1)
login by "ftp ftp.funet.fi
          user:anonymous
          passwd:your exact email address--- administrator will send email
          if your files are accepted by this ftp site
          cd pub/culture/incoming
          set binary
          set prompt off
          mput (your files)
          quit"
2)
Then you need to send email to culture-adm@ftp.funet.fi
saying who you are, who worte this, what are those files for etc (
read README.UPLOAD when you login nic.funet.fi. (Those IP are for downloading)

I will upload several files related to korean langauge in to this site some time
including VADA and iyagi (korean modem file; like procomm, very nice format, 
prettier than procom, I am proud of this software format.)

So if any one want to share the software, use this ftp site.

P.S. anonymous site cair.kaist.ac.kr was closed. And can not find out
the other anonymous ftp site in korea. If some body can access one
of those in korea, would you upload valuable softwares into
nic.funet.fi so that the koreans in USA can share this opportunity?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:22:52 GMT

In article <92Aug19.122140edt.108@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>Of course there is a long history of Chinese Dynasties' interference
>in Korea.  The earliest I remember is during the 7th century, the 1st
>3 Kingdom period in Korea, 2 of the Kingdoms allied against the 3rd
>one, the 3rd kingdom requested help from the Tang Dynasty, after
>decades of on and off war, the Alliance of Tang and the 3rd Korean
>kingdom defeated the other two kingdom and their Japanese Reinforcements.
>but Tang dynasty did withdraw all its troops after the unification of Korea.   
>
No, it didn't withdraw all the troops but took the northern part of the
peninsula.

>
>Don't forget without the troops from Ming Dynasty, it will be very
>hard for Korea to fight of the Japanese invasion in late 1500s, they
>had captured most of the major cities already before Ming Dynasty
>entered the war.  
You must be talking about 1592 invasion of Japanese (wow, now I got the
year from memory :-)). Well...there might be some distortions but Koreans
usually send the honor to Admiral Yi,Soon-shin who cut the sea road between
troops in Korea and Japan. Since Japanese troops couldn't get sufficient
support from Japan, they had to give up the war.

BTW.....I don't have much bad feelings toward China, so this posting was
only for info, regardless of main arguments.

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
         kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Read soc.culture.japan
Originator: sala8864@hgc.edu
Reply-To: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:40:11 GMT


Hi, Korean netters all over the world.
There is a very interesting flame war is going on in newsgroup
soc.culture.japan. I don't know who started that because I started 
following the discussion in the middle of the war, but looks like a 
Chinese guy posted a letter to Emperor of Japan to apolgize what they
did during the war and Japanase colonial time.

Supprisingly enough, many people do not have good knowledge of what they
did and how they are tring to cover up their shameful past. Let's share
our view and knowledge over this matter with other people.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Subject: Re: the answers GMT was looking for (Re: Chinese questions)
Reply-To: armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:06:28 GMT

Anyonghesaio,

I read this news groups postings frequently.  I worked in Korea at the
Electronic Telecommunication Research Institute (ETRI) in Daejeon.  I have
wonderful memories of the country and it's extreamly hospitable people.  I
will share some of my experiences in the future.


Arvind Mallya
Posted:August 14, 1992 at 11.05 am
From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Chinese questions
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:27:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Good work, Mr.Ham. You managed to find my name.

Well, yes I have Chinese blood, but I deny this heritage.
I did not want to present myself as a non-Chinese but with a Chinese name.
That will compicate the argument. And I am too tired to explain.
I still carry this name because my parents are Chinese.

I was raised in Ghana, W.africa for my whole(almost) whole life.
I am absolutely out of touch with Chinese Chinese if you know what I mean
For those who understand that one's culture and race is unrelated, you would 
appreciate it when I tell you I am NOT Chinese.
In any case, China or Hong Kong did nothing for me so I do not
owe allegiance to them.

I have African Mentality and culture. Since I look like a Chinese, that
probably explains why I am interested in this current Subject.

I have no ties to China, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.
I am just intersted in these people.

I did not lie about myself though.
No where did I say I was not Chinese of race.
When I said I was not Chinese, I meant I did not have A CHINESE MENTALITY
and that probably explains why I have a clear mental approach to a lot
of issues involving race relationships....I have an outsider kind of
approach.    

well, you want to test me, you can get another Ghanaian to do that.
I am ready to stand up to scrutinage and defend myself.

To you, Mr.Ham. good snooping around, but I would appreciate it if
you respect other people's privacy better next time you decide to post
other people's details on the newsgroup.

GOOD DAY.

MT.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean