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From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 01:40:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

Idiot?  Did **he** call someone an idiot and in in the same post have
words about cause and effect?  Hmmm.  Why is this debate over black
employment necessary?  What are blacks doing in America anyway?
--bob

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david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:


>By doing so what we have discovered is that the United States employs
>more of its Black population than Canada in purely numerical terms
>simply beause the United States has a population TEN TIMES that of
>Canada.


BECAUSE? So YOU are the master of cause and effect? Well, I am sure your
parents are proud. Read todays posts. America and Canada have about the
same employment rate for black people. AND, America pampers her 
unemployed black people in comparison to Canada. Geez, this is an easier
debate than I thought.





>	-	What is the overall standard of living for the average
>		American and the average Canadian.  What is it for the
>		average Black person living in the United States or
>		Canada.
>	-	What percentage of the Black population in Canada is
>		employed?
>	-	What is the social climate of the country.  Do Blacks
>		who live in Canada have to deal with racism.
>		If so, what kinds.
>		At what levels.
>	-	What kinds of educational opprotunities exist for
>		Black poeple in Canada.
>	-	In what KINDS of jobs are Blacks employed.  The KIND
>		of employment that people have is just as important as
>		the number of people that are actually employed.


Remember, I did not bring up CANADA, I said that the UNITED STATES
is the BEST COUNTRY FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. LOOK AT THE DREAM
TEAM. LOOK AT OUR OLYMPIC TRACK TEAM. BY FAR, THE MOST OLYMPIC GOLD
MEDALS WON BY BLACK PEOPLE WERE UNITED STATES SPONSORED AND NURTURED.
WE ARE GOOD TO BLACK PEOPLE HERE.

SOME OTHER IDIOT BROUGHT UP CANADA. I THINK CANADA COULD NOT HOLD A 
CANDLE TO THE UNITED STATES WHEN IT COMES TO HOW SHE TREATS HER BLACK
PEOPLE.

I may have to repost the other facts and figures and black achievers
to convice this to you, David, since you seem to not have read any of 
last month's posts. The original post in which I made the claim that
the United States is the best country for black people is called
Black Ahievement I believe, and it is over a month old by now I think.
You need to catch up.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:34:29 GMT
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>Buchanan isn't the only Republican noted for this kind of behavior.
>Ken Malek, that Nixonian dip from the deep who is now in Bush's
>camp, has said a few likewise statements about Jews and other
>minorities.

And let's not forget Pat's tirade against the Zionists in Israel
and their "amen corner" in the U.S.!  I understand that was the
first time someone ever had his subscription to Commentary
canceled -- by the magazine!

(Joke.)


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: mmrwlm@sn116.uca (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:40:40 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn116.uca
Organization: General Electric

I am also confused (and more than a little repulsed) by the Elvis-worship, but that is because I
was never into him or his music.  But many people take him very seriously.  I guess there are a lot
of people out there who need someone/something to worship, and somehow they have settled
on Elvis.

Since there isn't anything I could do about the post office's project to get Elvis on a stamp, the
next best thing I can do is not buy the stamp.  I don't think he is worthy of having his picture on
a postal stamp because of his blatant drug abuse.  If he had quit the habit and come clean, that
would be a different matter, but I understand that drugs figured prominently in his death.  (I have
to check up on that to be absolutely sure.)  When the country honors people like him by picturing
them on stamps, it makes me wonder why the US is even bothering to fight a "war on drugs".

---
Wanda L. McCrae                       | I'm too cool for a signature!
mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com   |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:48:38 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: The Republican convention

   If you watched "ROC" on Sunday (and I hope a lot of you do), you heard
probably my favorite line of this political season.  He had a birthday party
for his wife, and while talking to his friends, he said he liked watching the
Republican primaries because he liked playing a game called "find the Black
delegate".  I have been playing that game all week, and still haven't won!
Photographers don't count!  Nor does Alan Keyes, who spoke on Monday, he is
a senatorial candidate in Maryland, and is not a delegate (and will get
trounced in the election by Barbara Mikulski).   So, I am still losing.
  I like watching the Republicans, just to see how little they try to woo
minority votes.  Pat Buchanon was his old racist/homophobic/sexist self, and
Ronald Reagan is still living in the '40's when we were in our place!  I
liked Tom Brokaw's question to the head of the Bush campaign.  He asked him,
"in listening to Buchanon's speech you would think that the Republican party
is only open to white, heterosexual, wealthy males".  Of course the man jumped
around that question better than William Carter Franklin jumps around this
network!
  the one Republican who still impresses me, and who I would seriously consider
voting for in 1996, is Jack Kemp!   He really cares about minorities, and other
underrepresented peoples in this land, and puts his actions where his mouth is.
He is one of the few Republicans who is like that.  I think we should begin
watching that man more closely.  Well, those are my opinions thus far in this
convention.  I like watching the Republicans more than the Democrats because
the Republicans "lie so bad"!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:31:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>George Washington Herbert Hoover Bush speaks tonight.  I saw some
>indication that my country ain't buying this shit that's been on TV
>for almost a week.  The new ABC/Washington Post poll says Clinton
>58, Bush 33. I wonder whether the War Wimp speaking might change
>things, but if not, there's hope for South Central LA...and Evanston
>and the rest of y'all.

See, that's just the point, while we're wasting all this valuable time
the cities are no better off.  I hope to see Gov. Clinton spending at
least some time assembling his transition team and gettin people in place
for when the time comes for him to be President.  We haven't got any
time to waste.

Not that I put all my chips in wit politicians *but* c'mon, let's
get a move on.


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:41:46 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Proof that Mr. Franklin is full of s***
 <1992Jul27.155327.17632@seq.uncwil.edu> <1992Jul28.033304.22174@panix.com>
 <1992Jul29.203414.1738@seq.uncwil.edu> <1992Aug4.163732.9290@tse.uucp>
 <1992Aug6.161000.16141@seq.uncwil.edu>
 <1992Aug6.191847.27647@rock.concert.net> <1992Aug7.185220.8374@seq.uncwil.edu>
 <92225.074721KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Aug13.170058.345@seq.uncwil.edu>


In article <1992Aug13.170058.345@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu
(william carter franklin) says:
>
><KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>     Mr. Franklin has recently (yesterday) stated that he specifically said
>>Washington DC, when he was citing his 75% of all violent crimes are          d
>perpetrate
>>by Blacks.  Well, as you can see above, Mr. Franklin is full of shit.  He
>
>
>The article you included above was the original article in which I DID
>NOT say where the 75 percentile was from. In our next discussion I
>CLEARLY SAID THAT THE 75 PERCENT WAS FROM D.C.
>PRINT THAT TOO!
>
>I realize and admit that the ambiguity existed in the AP quote and
>I cleared it up with you in our discussion. You are so weak with
>your arguments and logic that your only notability is established
>when you hop on my back about semantics or sources. Get an opinion.
>

  Just a note to the network.  Mr. Franklin and I have cleared nothing up.  He
is just upset that my only purpose in entering this argument is to show that
he is full of shit with the statistics that he pulls out of the sky.  Again,
neither Mr. Moore or I have gotten a citation for this 75% figure that Mr.
Franklin keeps stating other then it is from AP!  Where did the AP come up with
this?  What article did you read it from (meaning what date, paper...)?  I
have been asking for this information for a week, and have gotten nothing.
   I do have an opinion on the topic that led to this discussion.  I
personally think that we should stop discussing which country is better for our
people to live in.  We are here in the U.S. and let's try to make the best of
it.  Each country has its own assests and debits.  I don't know what Mr.
Franklin is trying to prove with this whole argument.  The U.S. is not the
Edenistic place that he portrays it to be, and nor are Blacks the blight on
our economic future as he paints it to be. Lets move on to something more
constructive, like how do we keep paternalistics jerks from posting on this
network?!
From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: *Need Help with Blak History Month!!*
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:32:52 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University


Hello Everyone!!

It's been a while since I've posted anything, but I would REALLY like to get
some input:

I've just been appointed as Co-Chairperson of the 1993 Black History Month
at Memphis State University and I was wondering if anyone out there could
suggest some ideas for programs, speakers (as dynamic as possible), or
functions to bring our campus together for the month of February.

I understand that I'm getting started kinda late, but I was JUST appointed and
I want this to be the best Black History Month celebration that this campus has
EVER seen!! I graduate in December, but I'll be here for the festivities to
make sure things run smoothly.  Yeah, I'm psyched up!!:-)  

Anyway, if any of you have ANY ideas whatsoever, they will be greatly
appreciated and I will be sure to acknowledge those who helped me by listing
your names in a BHM booklet I plan to get underway ASAP, telling about what 
we're doing and our plans for February.  

Thanks again and you can just reply to me at the e-mail address listed in the
subject line.

Let the responses BEGIN!!!! :-)

Tundrea R. Newton
MCSNEWTON@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU
Memphis State University
Senior '92 (finally!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Black man wins popularity contest
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:30:04 GMT

In article <36784@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>From today's Gainesville Sun:
>
>        NEW YORK -- Americans may still be ambivalent about the
>        Presidential aspirants, but their preferences are decidedly
>        clear on the issue of regular guys.  For the second
>        consecutive year, the "voting public" has overwhelmingly
>        selected Bill Cosby, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter
>        Jennings as the nation's most regular guys, according to a
>        Gallup survey released recently.
>
>        ... A 1991 Gallup poll determined regular guys to be
>        down-to-earth, hard working, responsible, willing to lend a
>        hand, and honest.
>
>        Television's superdad Bill Cosby swept the regular guy ratings
>        with 42 percent of the votes.
>
>        [...]
>
>What do y'all suppose this means?
>
>David
>
It means that fictional characters are more popular than journalists.
It really has little to do with their color.  I'm sure that if you
through in Bryant Gumbel he would have been the least popular.
It also means that the Gallup poll people are wasting a lot of time on
stupid meaningless skewed questions.

Peace,
	 Warren Watts


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Subject: Johns vs. Carpenter - Apology
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:26:56 GMT

I owe this newsgroup an apology that not only apologizes for my behavior of the
last twenty-four hours, but also of the past nine months insofar as this thing
w/Johns is concerned. In fact, considering I provoke Johns ninety per cent of 
the times, I'll add the ten per cent and take full responsibility for the
trash that's been issued mostly from my end of things, not to mention the 
vulgarity that I've used needlessly - old habits dying hard and all that. 

As for my rebuttals to Johns' constant nagging, I publicly declare to cease and
desist ALL reference to and rebuttal of messages contributed to David Johns.
This way  s.c.a.a. can righteously bust my a** if this nonsense persists.

Mc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:48:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.124040.8295@crd.ge.com> mmrwlm@sn116.uca writes:
$I am also confused (and more than a little repulsed) by the Elvis-worship, but that is because I
$was never into him or his music.  But many people take him very seriously.  I guess there are a lot
$of people out there who need someone/something to worship, and somehow they have settled
$on Elvis.
$
$Since there isn't anything I could do about the post office's project to get Elvis on a stamp, the
$next best thing I can do is not buy the stamp.  I don't think he is worthy of having his picture on
$a postal stamp because of his blatant drug abuse.  If he had quit the habit and come clean, that
$would be a different matter, but I understand that drugs figured prominently in his death.  (I have
$to check up on that to be absolutely sure.)  When the country honors people like him by picturing
$them on stamps, it makes me wonder why the US is even bothering to fight a "war on drugs".

What _I_ can't understand is that there are people in the streets homeless,
and the postal service is spending $1 200 000 tryin to figure out if people
want a fat Elvis or a fuckin skinny Elvis.  That's what I can't understand.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
"Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black like a bat
out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"
From: v30004@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Abeselom T Maasho 3460-457-801.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: What is happening to the Haitian people?
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:54:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug20.215438.6398
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio

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From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: White skin-how did it develope?
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Organization: Netcom

Sorry, cats, I'm not cross-posting (not even to alt.rap, mjc).

KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu writes:

>    Please do not post (or email) any Yacub-esque anti-whitey conspiracy
>theories please.  I ask only for something reasonably scientific and plausible
>(i.e. what would actively select against darker skins/for lighter skins the
>further north one gets?).

This newsgroup needs a faq.  First one is on this topic.  Second one is
on "I understand Minister Farrakhan said yaw yaw yaw ..."

(Third one is, "This little shit keeps baiting people who disagree with
his racist/stupid white liberal notions.  What do I do?")


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: White skin-how did it develope?
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:23:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <___nkln.barnhart@netcom.com> barnhart@netcom.com writes:
>This newsgroup needs a faq.  First one is on this topic.  Second one is
>on "I understand Minister Farrakhan said yaw yaw yaw ..."
>
>(Third one is, "This little shit keeps baiting people who disagree with
>his racist/stupid white liberal notions.  What do I do?")

<Hand going up to get your immediate attention...> Can I answer a corollary
to this FAQ as to what to do when one gets angrier than angry? <laughter>

Mc
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:50:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:

>Well, Michael, since you're not black ...

Ooooooohhhhh, I *finally* get it!!!  I guess I, as a White Person (tm), can't
possibly be disgusted enough by what I see that I can't expect to be able
to dog out the prejudiced White bastards out there to the extent that I do. Of
course, it *now* makes sense that Black People (tm) who do this can do so
because, well, we White People (tm) need to let Black People release some
of that anger and so forth; but, I, being a White Person, am *supposed* to
KNOW better than to behave in "bigoted" ways. Why didn't you come out and
SAY this months ago, Johns??? 

Enlightened, Mc
From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:41:32 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug11.131556.14392@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I'm new in the US, from the deepest heart of Africa and I've been
>following the 'Acting White' discussion with great interest. It's
>incredible! Talk of reverse discrimination!
>
>Mukunya A.K.

Hi there!  Hope you enjoy your new country!  =)

Now there's a term I love... "Reverse discrimination" (racism,
whatever).  It's an attempt to justify the action... as if it's
alright to do something as long as it's been done before in the
opposite direction.  I think we all need to act as individuals, and
simply *not* discriminate, *not* prejudge, etc, for that's the only
way this vicious cycle of "you owe me, no, now you owe ME, no, now you
owe me" will ever end. 

amy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jeb3@meaddata.com (Jennifer Bing)
Subject: Re: Accent switching [was re: "Acting White"]
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:58:00 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american

|> [Stuff deleted]
|>  
|>      I brought up this language, code-switching stuff once, about six months
|> ago, with regard to other ethnicities.  At the time, I talked about how all
|> my extended family is from southeastern Iowa on farms.  When I talk with my
|> cousins and uncles and grandparents, I switch into a very different style,
|> with a different vocabulary and intonation (mainly my vocabulary is diff-
|> erent in that it is much more limited). 
|>      I never really knew that I did this until my wife pointed it out the
|> first time she heard me speak on the phone with my relatives.  I don't really
|> know of other white folks who do this sort of switching, but one of my best
|> friends is of East Indian ethnicity (although he was born here), and I used
|> to tease him all the time about his funny Indian accent he used when speak-
|> ing English with his family.  He was quick to point out that since he grew
|> up speaking English that way, he was actually only speaking with an accent
|> when he was talking to me.
|>       Anybody else have any examples of accent-switching among non-African
|> Americans?  I'll bet it's pretty common.
|> 
|> JCM

There truly is a lot of switching going on. I'm Black and not only do I switch 
the way I talk when I'm talking to non-blacks, but also when I'm talking to 
northeners. I'm from the south.
-- 
|Jennifer Bing                              | If you do good,             |
|Mead Data Central                          | people will accuse you      |
|9555 Springboro Pike      jeb3@meaddata.com| of selfish ulterior motives,|
|Miamisburg, Oh 45342...!uunet!meaddata!jeb3| Do good anyway.             |

     My opinions are not necessarily those of Mead Data Central
From: yojik@mainz-emh2.army.mil (Yinka Ojikutu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Your last e-mail
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:11:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

You are right about your views concerning the ignorance of
the society about the contributions of the "African-American"
towards the development of the United States of America.

As far as am concerned, education is the weapon for now and the
future and then we shall see who is been telling the truth.

If you permit, "ignorance hates knowledge".

Regards
Yinka
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Proverb
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:30:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


   Until the lions have their historians,
   tales of the hunted will always glorify the hunter.

               - African proverb

[In response to the thread about revisionist theories]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc