From: jking@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason King)
Subject: Re: No longer Re: Dangerous Journeys
Keywords: Gygax,
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 12:48:28 GMT

dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.180240.680@uwm.edu> buzzsaw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Elias Campbell) writes:
>	In relation to EGG, and his lack of merits:
>	
>> His only secondary crime is deflating the egos of stuffed shirt
>> gaming-geeks like yourself. That's a big problem in the gaming hobby
>> today: There are a handful of people out there who feel free to
>> play "efficency expert" with every game system under the sun, but 
>> lack the cajhones to put one out themselves. They feel free to
>> derogitorize and insult, but scream in agony when their victum fires back,
>> giving him names like 'overweening, self-important ass.'
>	
>	And there are those who state their opinions.  I am glad to have
>yours on a dislike for EGG.  Now, shut up.

>>
>> I ask you, can you:
>>
>> Speak with intelligence on no less than five seperate eras of human
>> history?

>	I can.   Gygax, unfortunately, can only bullshit using catch-phrases.

>>
>> Design games that have been recognized as modern classics in their
>> field?

>	I can, except, that they haven't been, yet.  It probably comes from
>the fact that AD&D could be put out on the budget that was established from
>sales of D&D, and I have no D&D income to rely on to put out a bunch of crap.
>	Not that I'd put crap out.  I'm not that traditional.
>	D&D was a modern classic.  Dave Arneson and Frank Mentzer designed
>it.  AD&D was the most successful ripoff of D&D ever, and it suceeded
>because of that TSR logo and the right to use the name Dungeons & Dragons, 
>which both made it "official" To be honest, when i bought the first AD&D book,
>the MM1, I thought it was a D&D product.  I had no idea that "advanced" meant
>another game entirely.

>>
>> Write with skill in areas that are not your forte?
>>

>	Not only that, but I can write with skill in areas that ARE my forte.
>	Both of which the EGG cannot.

>> and (IMEO) most importantly:
>>   Reply to cheap shots at you by immature little cretins who's
>> historical knowledge is limited to Rambo movies and Tolkien rip-offs.
>	
>	Like I'm doing now?
>	Yes.
>	Oh, and rambo movies that inspire things like, what was it, "cyborg
>warrior or somesuch, and by tolkein ripoffs, do you mean AD&D, or just
>all his Dragon articles?
>	(those that weren't attempts at defending him from onslaughts of
>pointed observations of his stupidity.)

>>
>>   Stand behind your opinions when you know you are right but the
>>   rest of the industry is slobbering and drooling over that "magic
>>   5%"??

>	To "know" something it must be true.  EGG has never had that
>grace.
>	Stubbornly insisted that he is right in the face of logic and even
>facts?
>	If a game sells well, it indicates that people like it, at least,
>if it sells supplements.  I suppose that is an important note in AD&Ds favor,
>except that, now that sales have been steadily DROPPING due to better games,
>maybe it just indicates a previous near-lack of competition?
>	That 5% indicates popularity, not just money.

>>
>> Let me state right now that I do not agree with everything Gygax says.
>> I do however, admire the fact that in an industry that bands with the
>> winds of geek opinions and rampant brown-nosing there is an individual
>> who says what he means and means what he says and is not afraid to
>> put it in firm, solid, print.

>	Too bad he has absolutely no Idea how to write a game.
>	Both those abilities, I suppose, would be wonderful if they were in
>tha same person.  Add the previous fame as an interest point, and viola,
>you have the start of gaming all over again.

>>
>> Can any of you do the same?
>	
>	Tell ya what, I'll do better.
>	And Illustrate it to boot.


>			D



-  Gee, I'M not an arrogant ass am I now?

I have only this article to go on but I must admit you sound like the biggest
tool-slurping, conceited, feltching-ass MF I have ever read.  Take a look at
yourself bud.

+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+I may not agree with your opinion, but I'll fight to the death for your right
to say it.  -  I wouldn't have a clue where I got that from, but it is a quote.

Jase.
PS :-
Sorry to include the whole article, but I wanted those who had not read it to
be aware of the context in which I write this.