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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs. Bills: Poor Calls
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:27:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.204215.11672@asl.dl.nec.com>, nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes...
>Much has been made about the poor officiating in last nights game, and for
>good reason: it sucked.  Being a Dolphin fan I was outraged at the non-call
>on the "intentional grounding" play, but for a different reason.  The ref 
>did not call intentional grounding because a receiver was nearby, and that
>is fine.  What irked me is that the referee should have invoked "in the 
>grasp" rule before the ball was thrown; Coleman and Kelly looked like a couple
>at a prom dance.  But credit Kelly: he was strong enough to keep his feet and
>smart enough to dump off the ball.

I believe the "in the grasp" rule was eliminated this past year...

> 
>In spite of all the bad calls, I don't believe they decided the game.  Each
>team had bad calls against them, and the two non-TD calls that cost the Bills
>4 points pretty much offset the afore-mentioned grounding play.  What ultimately
>cost Miami the game is that they could not stop Thurman Thomas in the 4th
>quarter, and especially on the last Buffalo series.  Some predicted that not
>having Offerdahl would hurt Miami, and it appears that they were right.

Not having Offerdahl--and a great player he is--has always hurt Miami.

I respect the 'Fins.  Especially two years ago, and now again this year, they
are making things interesting, which I believe benefits both teams.  Dan Marino
is a great competitor--and possibly the greatest QB of all time--but it really
turned me off to see him constantly reverting to that cheap garbage to draw 
people offsides.

>Let all Dolphin and Bills fans look forward to a playoff rematch, and hope
>everyone is healthy, the weather is good, and the officials are competent,
>so the teams can break the 1-1 tie.  And let all Dolphin fans hope that they
>can survive the next three weeks (Houston, @ New Orleans, @ San Francisco).

The game will be in Buffalo.  I assure you, weather will *NOT* be good...for
you, at least...;)

>David, Dolphin fan

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Bills best in NFL--unquestionably!!! Yup
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:36:43 GMT

In article <By5yFM.3z1@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE) writes:
>In article <By1JGD.CtJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes...
>
>>The BIlls have not lost a playoff game at home since I don't know
>>when.  
>
>	The Bills have never lost a playoff game at Rich Stadium.
>
>>Bruce, a Bills fan
>
>Jon

Exactly what is left for the Bills to get home field advantage? Four wins 
combined with someone else losing a game?



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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:19:08 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.20.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>In article <Bxx5My.1oM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>The following are instances that come to mind:
>>
>>1991
>>
>>regular season: San fran beat the Giants
>>playoffs      : Giants beat San fran
>>
>>regular season: Buffalo beat the Giants
>>super Bowl    : Giants beat Buffalo
>>
>
>Wow, I can hardly believe someone posting something with some proof to the 
>point.  Lesson number 1, good teams LEARN from their mistakes :-)  
>
Adriene, I don't believe you posted this. Someone must be using your
account while you are out of town.:-) I cannot let this go by without
a reply. YES, you're absolutely correct. GOOD teams LEARN from their
mistakes. Which is why teams like Denver and Da Bills are NOT good
teams. They have proven to the world that they cannot learn from
their mistakes. Just take a look at their combined SB records. Ah, the
flood gates have been opened. :-) To more recent games. The Saints did not
learn from their first game against the Niners, neither did the Falcons.
To wit, apparently they are NOT good teams, per your statement.
Of course, the Da Bills did win against the Dolphins the second time 
around, but it was a mirage, a fallacy. The Da Bills will fold again, 
they have no backbone, besides having hard-ons, but that doesn't count
unless you're a woman or queer.

>
>Adriene L. Nazaretian            G         Nazaretian-Adriene@Yale.Edu
>Sr Technical Specialist       G  I         Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.CIS.YALE.EDU
>

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 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:14:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Scud's Back..... (Testeverde in LA)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>Testeverde? Christ, we might as well get Wilson or Rusty
>Hilger back.
>keith

A lot of people had the same perception of Plunkett.  If you compare the 
two during their early years you may have something to think about.  When Jim
was at NE he didn't exactly light the league up.  Part of Vinny's problem
may be that he is playing for a crapy team.  I'd still rather get him that
be forced to make do with Scud who can't even complete 50% against a team
like Seattle.


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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: dallas bandwagon
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:49:30 GMT

In article <BxvGKq.Izw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075p7mg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jonathan G Keller) writes:
|> Dear Cowboy fans:
|> 
|>    I am thoroughly embarrassed.  Here I jump of Da' Bills bandwagon,
|> 
|> jump on the Cowboy bandwagon, and we lose to the lowly Rams. Need I
|> 
|> remind you the Bills already beat the Rams badly.  Please win big
|> 
|> next week, or I will have to jump off your bandwagon.  I hear San Fran
|> 
|> is doing pretty well......
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 				confused
|> 
|> 			JON (HELEN) KELLER 

JUMP!!!  JUMP!!!   PLEASE!!!

DO IT!!!  GO AHEAD!!!


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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Anemic Offence of the Vikes.
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:20:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bxs667.H3t
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In a previous posting, when I said that the Vikes' Offence
was anemic, I was fried by some Vikes' fans.  This I
hold on to inspite of being a die hard Vikes' fan 
and today's performance against the Oilers has reinforced
this. One has to rise above personal fan prejudices and 
judge one's favorite team objectively.

What a pathetic show. The offence was responsible for the
loss to the Skins and now to the Oilers. And the O will
be displaying a great lack of judgement if they underestimate
the Browns, their next opponent, who have got a good-D
and also Bernie will most probably be back. Thngs are
not going to be easy for the Vikes as they run into a
killer schedule......@rams, @philadelphia......49ers.
I am feeling a bit edgy here.

The Defence is just plain superb and they did everything
to help the Vikes' win.

Nuff said!!!

S.H
The Purple Bleeder
From: ables@hal.com (King Ables)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas...
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:00:25 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

From article <1992Nov17.000807.25905@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari):
> In article 1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu, desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
>> I am glad the `Boys lost this week!!!  It was just the *right time* for them to
>> lose and lose to a team not of their caliber...  They got the monkey off their
>> back and should be ready to head into the playoffs with their eyes open and play
>> some smart games...
>> 
> Just like a Cowpoke fan.... "My team only lost because it will benefit them in
> the long run" or "we lost but were still the better team" or "it had to be someone
> other than the Cowboys fault"
> 
> The Rams outplayed the Cowboys, on the road, in Texas Stadium, and deserved to win.
> They are better than their 4-6 record shows...
> 
> ===========================================================
> Jonathan Saari                 | The views expressed here
> saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com      | are my own...
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> Motorola, Incorporated         | Although they should be...
> Chandler, AZ                   | GO RAMS!!
> ===========================================================

You're so full of it!!

He never said any of those things you have in quotes (since you quoted
them, I wonder who did?).  Nobody said that's the *only* reason the
Cowboys lost, they lost because the Rams beat them, no argument.

All he said (and I said it, too) is that we can find some good in it.

If you're going to quote people, at least get it right.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:01:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov18.180114.24074
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bxx5My.1oM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:

>It seems like every year in the playoffs and the Super Bowl that if Team A
>had lost to team B in the regular season that come playoffs and Super Bowl
>that team A would beat team B.
>
>The following are instances that come to mind:
>
>1991
>
>regular season: San fran beat the Giants
>playoffs      : Giants beat San fran

1990, not 1991.

>1984
>
>regular season: Miami beat San fran
>Super Bowl    : San fran beat Miami

Not.  SF's lone loss was to the Steelers in the 'Stick on one of Montana's
worst days ever.

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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1edvuoINNqv7@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu 
	(Tony Bechtold) writes...

>How are we suppose to prove you wrong?  About the only way I can
>think of a way is if the two meet in the Superbowl, and the 49ers
>come out on top.  Being that you are biased fan of your team who
>thinks that your Buffalo's chips don't stink, I'm not going to waste
>my time with any other method.

Ah yes, from the hallowed mouth of Tony "GO 49ERS!" Bechtold, the most unbiased
man to view the game...

>Although I will mention that the Bills team beat a 49ers team who
>was missing the greatest WR in the league, missing perhaps the best
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Because he can't take a hit like Andre Reed?  The Bills knocked Rice *cleanly*
out of that game.  He couldn't take the hit.

>catching TE in the game, and missed a few very makable field goals,
>let alone excelled in every offensive category over the Bills except
>number of plays. I guess you are right, the 49ers just don't have a
>chance at winning that game.

I agree, this was a bad thing to say...guess we'll just have to wait and see.

>                                                    Tony
>                                                 GO 49ERS!!!

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:24:59 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <92322.140241IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (ABHAY) writes:
>In article <1724@niktow.canisius.edu>, bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle)
>says:
>It is not wise to force these loosing guys out of the group, let's
>show generosity of a winner and let them come back. Atlest I am freeing
>with your bet against me
>
>Enjoy
>Abhay
>(io10928@maine.maine.edu---A born winner)

I agree. And I was in on the BET II, too. It was a childish bet
and does nothing for the good. Let them back! 

We'd have nothing to argue about without them! ;-)


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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Tao of Steve Young
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov24.025003.20778@pony.Ingres.COM>, daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes...

>Probably no QB has ever been as good as Montana in his prime.  The
>book is still out on whether he can approach that again, and even if
>it's a good idea for him to try this year for the Niners.
> 
>As for style points, again consider Montana: who has ever looked good
>in comparison?  Counterpoint: Elway has always _looked_ rotten on a
>miss, throwing touch-less high hard ones, often for the first 55
>minutes of the game.

Dan Marino.

>So, please take the energy you've expended on "Young stinks" and put
>it somewhere useful.  Start with "where's the pressure?" and "can't these
>guys cover anybody?"
> 
>The Niners problems this year are all defensive

Agreed.

>cheers,
>-dB
>-- 
>Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:48:22 GMT

JOHN HEIM (heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
: I've been thinking - maybe we should make another group for posting 
: computer generated football predictions.  I've also been thinking of 
: stopping posting my program's predictions.  I'm wondering if anybody 
: but me is interested in the predictions.  Maybe we should have a computer 
: prediction pool and stop posting the predictions.

Do you think *anybody* is going to go bet *their* money based on what
*you* think will happen against the line?  Well, maybe someone, but
certainly not me (I can lose my own money just fine, thank you :^))

Other than gambling, what purpose does it serve?  Well, I guess there's
always "look how much I know about football..."

Sorry, this wasn't intended to sound like as much of a flame as it does.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: JGH rankings
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 17 NOV 92 16:52:20    

Ya know, I value the feedback I've gotten about these rankings.  I 
fiddled with the program's parameters again this week and tried to get 
them more in line with what people thought was right intuitively.  But 
no matter what change I made in the ranking algorithm it lead to a 
worse prediction record.  So I put everything back the way it was.
Sorry Steeler fans.

Cowboys remain at #1.  9ers back at #2 (up from #5.)  New #38 team, 
the Seattle Seahawks.  BTW, the Rams moved up from 20th to 14th place.

                           Last
Rank  Team         Rating  Week
 1    Cowboys        84     1
 2    49ers          80     5
 3    Saints         80     3
 4    Eagles         78     2
 5    Vikings        76     4
 6    Bills          73     7
 7    Redskins       67     6
 8    Chiefs         67     9
 9    Broncos        66    10
10    Dolphins       63     8
11    Oilers         61    11
12    Steelers       58    12
13    Giants         48    13
14    Rams           45    20
15    Bears          44    14
16    Raiders        44    16
17    Falcons        44    18
18    Chargers       44    17
19    Lions          42    15
20    Browns         38    21
21    Cardinals      36    19
22    Packers        33    25
23    Jets           33    23
24    Bengals        30    22
25    Buccaneers     30    26
26    Colts          27    24
27    Patriots       11    28
28    Seahawks       10    27

JGH

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Scud's Back.....
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:06:23 GMT

In article <27000136@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>How about this for the off-season:
>
>Raiders aquire Montana from SF after SF names Young as the starter.
> or 
>Raiders aquire Testeverde from TB after TB gives up on him.
>

Don't bet on Tampa Bay giving up on Vinny.  I think the last month  (two
games of which, Vinny did not start), showed that the Buccanneer's prob-
lems are not Vinny Testaverde, but the unsettled nature of this football
team.   I see this organization gaining stability under Gay Culverhouse,
Sam Wyche, Floyd Peters, Jerry Angelo and Rich McKay. I think Vinny can,
and will, win here.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 12
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:27:47 GMT

In article <of3Ivyu00iV484nVIM@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

   These predictions look like they are based too much on scores against
   common opponents and tied directly to the previous weeks performance.

   Todd

These scores are based on the uniform colors, he said that once.  They are a
joke, though its much funnier watching the responce.  But it certainly sounds
like Koontz knows that.

Bill
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Results for Week 11 ALMOST HERE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:47:24 GMT

I've cleaned out most of the problems with the week 11 picks and am now
running what I hope will we the final grade-check.  I have class now but
will have the results later today.

PS - You didn't pick the Raiders this week did you???
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys win unimpressively
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:58:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <2973@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>retain their grip on the #1 defensive spot.  Chandler became the fourth
>or fifth starting QB not to finish the game against the Cowboys, joining
>Cunningham, Marinovich, and Peete; I seem to remember one more, too, but
>can't quite put my finger on who it was.

I assume the others were knocked out of the game by a legal hit. The papers
seem to say it was Jeffcoats tackle that hurt Chandlers ribs, but it seems
prettt obvious on replay that it was 300lbs Leon Lett jumping on Chandler
after he was down that hurt the ribs. He kind of landed on Chris on the
side and then rolled over onto his back, I do not think it was intentional,
he just was not able to stop in time and sort of half fell half jumped onto
Chandler. Was he penalized on the play?

Apparently Rosenbach "struggled", but his numbers look comparable to
Chandler before he left the game, but they just could not move the ball.
Hill had only one catch, Proehl none(did he play?) and with Ernie Jones
out, 4th receiver Anthony Edwards led the team in receptions. Clearly
the defense shut us down.  

In a way, they needed something like this to happen, they need to find
out this year if Timm can still play, if he can they need to choose between
him and Chandler and trade the loser. I kind of hope Timm starts the next
2-3 games just to let us(and other teams) evaluate him for next year.





Russ Smith
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From: 6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: eric@abode.ttank.com (eric c. bennett)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:36:16 GMT


my goodness what ever happend to that menu of yours.i
guess your just sitting there with a stupid look on your
face,don't worry it becomes you.next time maybe you'll keep
your mouth shut,since your a dallas fan i don't think so(their
always mouthing off).tell me,how does it feel the be eating
cowpie burgers now(i'm sure there nice and juicy and smelly)
go rams!!!!!!!!