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From: kenz@local.host
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Woodwind breathing (attn brass players)
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:51:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1993Jan25.165123.2191
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
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In article <1993Jan25.214756.26246@pony.Ingres.COM>, corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman) writes:
>I've heard of a book by a famous Chicago Symphony tubaist (Arthur or
>Arnold Jacob?) on the subject of breathing. Apparently the author
>was renowned for his knowledge of the subject and taught all types
>of wind players. Can anyone point me to the book? Is it still in
>print?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tony Corman
====================================
 I did a quick search, and believe the person's name is Arthur Jacobs.  
However, Books in Print doesn't list anything by him remotely having to do with 
breathing technique.  I will check OCLC tommorrow for a title.  This Arthur
Jacobs wrote alot of stuff, like "Arthur Sullivan, a Victorian Musician", "The
Pan Book of Opera", "A Short History of Western Music", etc.  If this is the
same person you are thinking of.  Anyway, I'll check later.
Bill Kenz
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman discs ?
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:17:17 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <C141nJ.BD9@news.rich.bnr.ca>, jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas) writes:
>In article <SMEHTA.93Jan18144928@kwela.nynexst.com>, smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>|> 
>|> I would like to say that of all the jazz and improvised music that
>|> I've listened to in the last 7-8 years I found Ornette's music the
>|> easiest to gravitate towards and appreciate. 
>|> 
>|> /sandeep
>|> --
>|> smehta@nynexst.com
>|> --
>|>         "This space of time is organized. We need not fear these
>|> 	 silences, -- we may love them." -- John Cage, Silences, 1961.
>
>AMEN!!!
>
>As people have mentioned, there are so many wonderful Ornette discs
>to have to pick from to come up with an essential 2 or 3.
>
>I haven't heard that much Prime Time except for portions of OF HUMAN 
>FEELINGS (didn't like it) that I can't really recommend any but
>ohhhhh those Atlantics!!!  I would say pick any of the ones already
>mentioned.  You really can't go wrong with any of them.  I think Marc
>made a good point about TWINS too -- excellent sampler from a lot
>of periods. 
>
>I heartily recommend the Golden Circle volumes on Blue Note as well.
>Does anyone know if the concert album (on Freedom I think) with 
>Izenson/Moffett/Coleman is still in print???

    Another Ornette Coleman disc worth owning is the Impulse release "Crisis",
featuring Charlie Haden's "Song for Che" and the piece "Trouble in the East"
(which contains some nice bowing from Haden).  I haven't seen a CD reissue, my
copy is on LP.  Dewey Redman is also on the recording, which is live from
1969.  Denardo's drums have improved (how could they not!) from his playing on
the LP "Ornette at 12", also on Impulse or "Empty Foxhole" on Blue Note. 

Yours,
Bill Kenz
Moorhead State University Library
Moorhead, MN 56563
internet  kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: info on Maria Muldower (sp?)
Keywords: blues, new orleans, blacktop
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:52:08 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software

aldrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeff) writes:

>Just heard a nice cut on one of the local member-supported stations,
>Maria Muldower (however the name is spelled) singing "Don't You Feel
>My Leg", backed up by Dr. John on piano.  What a great voice this 
>lady has!   Can anyone correct my ignorance in her regard?  Thanks,

	To each their own, but my favorite Maria Muldaur stuff is when
she was with the Jim Kweskin Jug Band.   Catch "I'm a Woman"

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Singers
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:45:48 GMT
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: Anthony Corman writes:
: > If I must listen to singer, I'd prefer listening to a cool,
: > restrained rendition that delivers a great lyric with
: > intelligence, great tone, and excellent intonation.
: 
: Two questions:
: 1) Have you heard any singers who meet your criteria?  If so, who?

Anthony would probably find this not quite restrained enough, but I am
impressed by Kellye Gray's straightforward approach to on her "Standards" CD
from Justice.  She seems to push her own limits, but stay within herself, to
use a couple of cliches.  That is, her renditions are a lot more than just
reading the head, but rarely at the expense of losing control of her
articulation or intonation.  Occassionally the result might be a little
maudlin, but I can live with that.  And Dave Catney's comping on "Good Morning,
Heartache" is probably worth the price of admission itself.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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From: malcolm@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Miles Davis BLOW on Warner
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: malcolm@minster.york.ac.uk (Malcolm Wallace)
Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>Miles Davis--Blow (Warner Bros) 439-224
>
>Anybody know what this is?  Is it some sort of compilation?

It is a 12" of remixes by MC Mo Bee.  One track is House, one is solo
trumpet (i.e. no other instruments at all), called "Miles Alone", the
remaining tracks are Rap and HipHop.  All feature the same samples from
Miles except the track called "Fantasy" which is annotated "the album
version".  There are five tracks in all.

>-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)

    -malc.
From: jcuu@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: re: BLUES TRAVELLER ... any opinions?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:35:56 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

My first real effort on any E-mail, so please forgive any lapses of protocol
and such .... but

I heard BLUES TRAVELLER on Letterman for the second time and Ol' Dave just
gushes all over  himself about how great these guys sound, and i must admit i
really liked what i heard. Of course, i've got this latent bluegrass streak
buried just below the surface anyway.
But to "cut to the chase,'' as they say, I live out in the hinderlands and am 
unable to easily put my hands on an album (i understand they have 2). Has
anyone heard any of BLUES TRAVELLER and how does it hold up? GIve me a review
if you have the time. I would like to know more (including details like is it a
trio or quartet, what other instruments, is the album total instrumental or
just what ? Thanks for any help.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:43:29 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <C14wCG.BAC@mach1.wlu.ca>, kogrady2@mach1.wlu.ca (kathleen o'grady 9207 G) writes:
>I have  a question about a copy of The Bells that I have on vinyl.
>It is on the ESP label and the record is clear vinly
>with the cover design screened or painted on the album in red.
>Is this the only way this record was released ??  It appears to
>be an original pressing.  Was this a common practice for ESP ??
>Any help would be appreciated !!
>
>Mark L.
>
  I wish I had your copy!  My LP edition is the Italian Base/ESP version with
plain black vinyl and white label.  The cover is B/W.  Cadence has those
newest editions of ESP's, "Bells" is available on LP.  ESP did release several
LP's with clear or color vinyl, from what I have read.

Bill Kenz
Moorhead State University
Library
internet  kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
From: gwl@specialist.genrad.com (Glenn W. Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Penguin Guide: Short Review & 5 Star Recordings
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:56:46 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
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In article <1993Jan26.000811.6311@pony.Ingres.COM>, andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman) writes:


> Also, what should we call it? "Penguin" sounds silly.  How about
> "Cook and Morton"?

Oh, I like "The Penguin", as in "I wonder what The Penguin says
about 'Chinampas'?".

Glenn
From: kenz@local.host
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Hal Russell
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:27:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1993Jan25.162733.2190
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
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Part of posting 10164 was lost
I wrote: 
   Has anyone information on the availability of Hal Russell's recording
   the Finnish/Swiss tour?....

Please excuse the garbled message.
Bill Kenz
======================
From: jayb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jay Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:29:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Singers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

Joe Hellerstein writes:

: about any other singer.  I'm not sure I understand what you mean when
: you say that Betty "finds a note or series of notes and stays there,
: without regard to pitch or form".  Are you saying she can't follow the
: changes?  I've never noticed that.  As regards form, I think she makes
: terrific use of rhythmic motifs and irregular phrasing.  Do you listen
: to much instrumental jazz?  Betty's approach is more like a horn
: player than a singer, and this may throw you if you listen largely to
: singers (who usually have pretty traditional approaches to phrasing).

My  reference  to  "Betty  Carter-Land"  was  more a  reference  to Marc
Sabatella's  comment about Betty's usage of  indeterminate  pitch.  I like
Betty  Carter as well.

Jay Brown hpgrla!jayb
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From: ldl@berlioz.nsc.com (Larry Lewicki)
Subject: Re: D. Gillespie records
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:46:11 GMT

One Parker/Gillespie album that I have (and really like) is
"Summit Meeting at Birdland" (Columbia).  It was recorded 
live from the radio in 1951 (when the Birdland shows were
apparently broadcast on AM radio) by a guy named Rose (I
think I'm remembering this correctly).  The other players
on this disk are Bud Powell, Roy Haynes and Tommy Potter.
The version of "Night in Tunisia" is, in my opinion, far
better than the version on the Massey Hall album (at least
Bud Powell seems to be really focused - his piano solo
is the best recording of Bud that I know of).  Roy Haynes
is playing really well also.  There is also a version of
Round Midnite that I really like.  I saw this on cd a
couple of years ago at the local Tower.

I also have a Pablo record of Oscar Peterson and Dizzy
(duet - no other players) that I like a lot - especially
the version of "Con Alma"

  Larry Lewicki  (ldl@berlioz.nsc.com)
From: shri@sol.acs.unt.edu (Shrinand "shri" Desai)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Stan Getz, Best of Verve Years, Vol. I
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:31:48 GMT
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Organization: University of North Texas

marvo@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ronald.f.roberts) writes:

>In article <0fNNcNK00YVX838Y1y@andrew.cmu.edu> Eugene Kuo <ek1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Hello!
>>
>>I was wondering what you all can tell me about the aforementioned set? 
>>I don't know much about Mr. Getz, and have heard very little of his
>>recorded output.  Suggestions for better Getz albums?  Compillations? 
>>Labels?  Any and all input welcome.  Thanks in advance!

>You probably have chosen something reasonable if you are not familiar with
>Stan Getz.  While recording for Verve Getz released a classic with strings
>called "Focus" and of course the Bossa Nova dates with Joao Gilberto, Astrud
>Gilberto ("Girl From Ipanema"). He also recorded with Oscar Peterson and I
>believe Chick Corea!..all on Verve. So you may want to read the titles
>of the tunes on your title of question because it is most certainly a
>compilation.  You will have to determine for yourself what might be
>"better Getz albums", right?


>-- 
>Ron Roberts      rfr@pruxp.att.com or att!pruxp!rfr      (609) 639-2242

>   "'Nardis'...composed, yet unrecorded, by the Prince of Darkness?"

Stan Getz and Oscar Peterson have created magic. A must have, and some
of the recordings with gilberto are brilliant (not the songs or compositions
but Getz blowing away at his horn..beautiful).

--shri
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Stan Getz, Best of Verve Years, Vol. I
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan27.222713.4732@kth.se>, niklas@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Niklas Aagren Royal Inst. of Technology) writes:
>In article <0fNNcNK00YVX838Y1y@andrew.cmu.edu>, Eugene Kuo <ek1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Hello!
>>
>>I was wondering what you all can tell me about the aforementioned set? 
>>I don't know much about Mr. Getz, and have heard very little of his
>>recorded output.  Suggestions for better Getz albums?  Compillations? 
>>Labels?  Any and all input welcome.  Thanks in advance!
>
>A short time before Getz died he recorded
>a double-CD called "People Time". People say that 
>it is the best he ever made. I leave that judgement to you, but
>it's  good investment.

I'm probably not expert enough to say that PT is Getz's _best_ work, but I can 
vouch for the fact that it's an excellent recording.  Both Getz and Barron are 
spot on.  It's really a beautiful set.

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: Penguin Guide: Short Review & 5 Star Recordings
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:12:55 GMT

In article <1k3jfeINN14j@specialist.genrad.com> gwl@specialist.genrad.com (Glenn W. Lea) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.000811.6311@pony.Ingres.COM>, andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman) writes:
>
>
>> Also, what should we call it? "Penguin" sounds silly.  How about
>> "Cook and Morton"?
>
>Oh, I like "The Penguin", as in "I wonder what The Penguin says
>about 'Chinampas'?".
>
>Glenn

 Besides, I like the Penguin also...sounds as if the Penguin is an expert
of sorts also.



Scott
From: cford@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Charlie Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Sun Ra?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:43:32 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Which Sun Ra song has the lyric 

"I am an angel from another place, my home is somewhere out in outer space." 

?
Tx,

Charlie Ford

Hewlett-Packard Co.
Mountain View, CA
charlie@hpasdd.mayfield.hp.com 
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Concert Review: Either Orchestra
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:47:30 GMT


Well, these guys played here at UVA Saturday (1/23) and overall it
was an excellent show. They do an excellent job of using the various
colors of the big band while retaining a very modern sound. I
actually liked the parts where the whole band was playing a little
better than the solos, which is not something I usually say about
a big band. I esp. liked 'Benny Moten's Weird Nightmare', an
excellent co-opting of moten swing into a truly bent but wonderful
piece of jazz. And the tune 'John Coltrane in Paradise' was
great too; on this one they brough up a bunch of the younger
musicians they had met during their 5 day stay in Cville to
jam with them. In fact, the only tune I didnt really like was
an old tune of theirs they hadnt played in a while. So go see
these guys if you get a chance; at 8$ for a show featuring
9 musicians, I certainly felt like I had my moneys worth.....

Next month, Elvin Jones Jazz Machine, Roy Haynes, a super quintet
of Archie Shepp, David Murray, John Hicks, Ray Drummond and Andrew
Cyrille, + Tommy Flanagan Trio are all playing over the course
of three days. YEEE HAA!!!:-)
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Giddins (Was Re: Michael Brooks/Quintessential Billie Holiday)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:09:14 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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In article <C1C13E.Mu@world.std.com> crispops@world.std.com (Dale A Smoak) writes:
>For what it's worth, Ekkehard Jost, in his article "Instant Composing as
>Body Language" refutes an assertion Giddins made elsewhere that "Cecil
>Taylor is essentially a composer."  Jost considers the two New World
>recordings (which includes *3 Phasis*) to be out of the mainstream of
>Taylor's unit music.

For what it's worth, I was talking to Alan Silva about Cecil, and he
said you rehearsed all day going over the heads (themes) in Cecil's music.
Then he would take that information home and study it, and make notes.
He would bring his notes to the gigs.  Another person lived in the same
building as Cecil and would put a glass to the wall to hear what he was
doing.  He said basically the same thing, that he goes over the heads
endlessly.

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas)
Subject: Re: Parker/Lytton
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: John Thomas <jgthomas@bnr.ca>              
Organization: BNR, Inc.

In article <1993Jan25.095607.2180@msus1.msus.edu>, kenz@local.host writes:
|> =======================================================================
|>        My apologies for not being clearer about my point of reference regarding
|> electronics, re. the Evan Parker/Paul Lytton LP "Ra" on Moers.  As I listened
|> to the LP over the weekend, I tried to formulate a more distinct explanation of
|> what I meant by electronics and what I tend to favor.  I don't want to waste
|> everyone's time by giving a full description of everything happening on the LP,
|> other than to comment that throughout 39 minutes of the live concert,
|> electronics are used to interact w/ Parker's soprano and tenor.  For example,
|> while Parker is "soloing", you can hear what sounds like sparse electric guitar 
|> notes.  It isn't really chordal support, rather it sounds like comments on what
|> Parker is playing.  If you have listened to Derek Bailey, perhaps this sound
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes I have.

|> comes close to his style.  But also, percussion is played throughout the
|> concert, sometimes in a more traditional manner, ie. cymbals/snare/toms (if you
|> have heard any of the recent Cecil Taylor recordings with Tony Oxley on drums,
|> "Looking, Feel Trio"; "Looking, Corona"; there is some comparison with the
|> music Lytton plays on this disc.)   And yet, at various times, it sounds as
|> though the percussion is altered electronically.  It isn't obtrusive, and there
|> is no use of synths to set up repeating figures or lay down lush tapestries of
|> sound, or layer upon layer of music like on much of groups like Weather
|> Report's recordings. 
|> 
|> At the beginning of Side two, bells are played "acoustically," as it were, then
|> it sounds as though they are also electronically manipulated.  Side two also
|> has a voice which appears to be mixed through electronics.  
|> 
|> All of this activity is fun to listen to.  It's worlds away from synth dance
|> music, or music like Tangerine Dream (to pick a fairly well known example). 

Yes this does help immensely.  Sounds like the kind of music that
the Art Ensemble of Chicago would make if they used electronics.

I am going to get it.  Thanks again!
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Elvin Jones
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:56:18 GMT
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1k987qINNjva@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>, mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella) writes:
>kenz@local.host wrote:
>
>:     A friend of mine saw him recently in Minneapolis with a kind of Tribute to
>: Coltrane thing.  Javon Jackson was in the band.  He said Elvin was terrible,
>: there was no balance between the drumming and other instrumentalists.
>
>Is this friend someone who otherwise appreciates Elvin?  I mean, that's been a
>criticism of guys like Elvin (and Tony Williams, and Art Blakey...) since Day
>One.  Does your friend mean, there was less balance than usual?  Also, is it
>possible the problem wasn't with Elvin, but instead with the sound system?

I'd have to say my experience with Elvin was pretty similar the last time I 
saw him.  Maybe sitting in the front row wasn't such a good idea. :)  I was 
close enough that I was hearing mostly direct sound and not the results of 
amplification.  Elvin just totally overwhelmed the rest of the group and made 
the experience rather unpleasant.  I actually spent quite a bit of the time 
wondering how the guys in the band could put up with that level of sound 
night after night.  The guy's a great drummer, though...

This brings up a question I've had for quite awhile.  That is, what sort of 
sound level do musicians generally have to tolerate on stage?  Do many 
musicians worry about hearing loss?  I have a couple of musician friends who 
sometimes wear earplugs, even onstage.  Is this common?

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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Subject: Hal Russell
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:23:04 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

sh/Swiss Tour recording?  I just bought "Hal's Bells" on ECM and have enjoyed
it as much as the two recordings he did for Nessa and the one he did on 
Principally Jazz.
Also, what is the name/number of the third ECM Hal Russell recording?  Any
information on it's whereabouts?

Bill Kenz
kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
============================
From: jnewman@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: St. Louis Blues?
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:54:11 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I'm going to St. Louis 8-22 Feb.  Anyone know of any blue's bars or 
concerts in the area during that time?  Thanks.

Jonathan Newman