Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:56:31 EDT
From:         MKLINE%VDH.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Safe Sex #2

Subject: Re: Safe Sex #2


M. Kline quotes Robert Redfield:
    And the truth is, it angers me. Condoms are not safe, they're
dangerous. Sex with a condom with an infected person is not protected.
It's very unprotected. It's very, very dangerous.
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First of all, Safe Sex #1 & #2 are just LOADED with facts that
simply aren't true and logical inconsistencies.  However, due to
the sheer NUMBER of them, I am reluctant to answer them all.
I would recommend interested parties read "The Myth of Heterosexual
AIDS" by Michael Fumento.  If you have specific questions, you can
Email them to me, and I might be able to answer them, in the format
"So and so said this, is this true or false, why or why not?"
MAKS> I find it funny that almost the whole world is praying and
      hoping that Redfield's new HIV vaccine will be the answer to
      everyone dying. Yet, when he makes a statement like this, he
      doesn't know what he is talking about.

MAKS> This program doesn't address Michael Fumento's book, but her
      book does. All the doctors here do. And, we're not just talking
      about AIDS. The HPV virus causes serious problems to far more
      women than the AIDS virus. True, they may not die, but they
      still stand a chance of "never being the same again." I notice
      you missed that quote. There will be more coming.

      I thank Jeff for his supply. This week's program does talk about
      the Russian roulette. Michael Fumento's book just puts a few
      more empty chambers in the gun they use. And if they are wrong?
      Well, it's not me.

But as to the above "It's very, very dangerous":
More heterosexuals were killed by their electric garage door
openers than were killed by tertiary transmission of AIDS (from
one low-risk-group heterosexual to another) last year.
MAKS> Again, since they estimate and the "they" are people in the
      fields, that 200,000 are dying of AIDS and there may be
      some 7,000,000 that are infected, were did you get the figures
      for your study? How do you know how low the figure of those
      "only infected with HIV" is when NO ONE is doing a through
      study? When they checked out the dentists from the one woman
      dying, they found 69 people infected, and this was a small
      isolated case. If they did wide spread testing, what would
      the results be?

      Last Sunday's program said they could be testing those in
      Africa for about 3-10 cents each and yet no testing is
      being done. Some of the countries will lose 70% of their
      population in the next 10 years. Of course for those that
      think the world is too crowded, they are probably happy.
      AIDS, natures way of cleansing the world?

The probability of getting AIDS if you sleep with someone you
KNOW has AIDS, without any protection, is 1 in 500.  So you would
have to sleep with that person 250 times (!) to reach 50/50 odds.

WITH protection AND the fact that the person is almost certainly
NOT infected (less than 1% chance), we approach Lotto odds.
AIDS is the number 11 killer in this country.  Heart disease
takes many more, often due to obesity.  How many John Ankerburg
shows have been dedicated to the deadly sin of gluttony?
MAKS> Yes, you are right about some of this. Ankerberg does programs
      on just about everything, but not gluttony yet. However, someone
      with heart disease can get a bypass, exercise, and change their
      diet, and live a "full life", but someone with AIDS.... Is it
      really worth it? There may be 500 on this list. Which one would
      you pick to have AIDS? We could all listen to Ankerberg's advise
      and remain chaste, and keep sex in marriage and be 100% safe from
      AIDS and STD's via sexual transmission or take that 1 in 500
      chance.

      Also, you mention 1 in 500 for AIDS? What about all the other
      STD's? Anyone have the figures for the other diseases? How
      many bullets does one have to put into the gun before a life
      style that the Bible condemns becomes an unacceptable risk?
      Please understand that I don't think AIDS is God's punishment
      anymore than someone driving 120+ mph getting killed in an
      auto accident due to speeding. God had a reason to "Just say
      know." It just so happens God's reasons are easier to see now.

One wonders what the failure rate is for diet sodas.

Darryl at TCU

MAKS at VDH
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