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From: mmh2941@summa.tamu.edu (Mary Hankins)
Subject: Re: freestyle stuff
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.011609.23782@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes...
>has anyone seen 'A Video Guide to Freestyle" yet? (Daniel?)
>does anyone know how much it costs?
> 
>i've been doing freestyle almost exclusively since Lost Prairie
>and i'm having a lot more fun with it than with RW; i've been 
>doing LOTS of layouts :-) as well as pinwheels, flip throughs,
>and arabians, and flipping daffies too, but i haven't got any 
>of it on tape yet, so i don't really know if it's any good.
> 
>anyway, i'm just wondering if the video is worth getting. if i 
>look anywhere near as good on tape as i feel in the air, i'd
>semi-seriously consider competitive freestyle as a goal.
> 
>also any ideas for trick exits is welcome. last weekend, on 7 dives, 
>i did a fun facing the tail - butt to earth exit that was really
>cool :-) tho much easier from the Beeche than the C-206s. doing a 
>backwards sort of swan dive from the sitting position was pretty nifty,
>watching the plane go bye, surprised the hell out a newly off student 
>status guy :-)
> 
> 
>happy weekend! i'll be jumping for 3 days straight :-)
> 
>and Jan's sister will be making her 1st atndem on Monday!
> 
> 
>tim

I haven't had time to watch Tamara's video yet, but I highly recommend
that you get video of your own freestyle. What you look like and what
you feel like can be very different and moves that feel all wrong sometimes
end up looking wonderful. Moves that look really hard can end up being 
simple to do and moves that look easy can take forever to get down. This
is a shameless plug since I work with World Freestyle Competition, but I
also recommend that you get copies of the video of the past competition
entries.  Sometimes you can watch someone else do a move in slow motion
or even frame by frame and figure out the "trick". The motion used in
freestyle to initiate a move is usually very subtle, video is an
essential tool. 

Mary Hankins
Horticultural Sciences
Texas A&M University
E-mail at MMH2941@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU
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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: The HERD boogie
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:41:04 GMT

dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
: In article <BuBqsJ.3Iq@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
: > *sigh*
: > 
: > The herd boogie was rained/clouded out this year.  I'm told that people
: > jumped on Friday only
: About 30 loads got off Friday afternoon, and there was CRW
: at sunset, includign a great downplane that they held to about
: fifty feet.
: 
: > but Saturday, Sunday, and Monday were a no go.
: Yeah.  Too bad.
: 
: > Late Saturday there was one low pass to release Mr. Brady's ashes over
: > the dz.  Several jumpers jumped from the same bou on two passes.
: Not several.  Forty in two passes of twenty each.  Just hop and pops,
: as cloud cover was around 2000.'

Well, it was a bou... several is forty.  Some even did 2-ways holding
it for "several" seconds from "around" 2000.   ;-)

: Mark also may have missed the car burning, which was quite good.

Yup, you're right; I forgot to mention it.  I heard that the look
on his face was "precious."  His look was more of confusion than
anything else.

Not only did they reward him with a new car, but as I understand,
they let him judge the wet-t-shirt contest (a reward in itself).
Not a bad way to distract him.
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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:07:48 GMT
Subject: Looking for video jumpers
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

Are there any netters who shoot freefall video?  I'd like to exchange some
ideas.  Post, email (artb@lsid.hp.com) or phone (206-337-4064 evenings).

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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From: traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: sinus pressure
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.163316.15822@mercury.cair.du.edu>
tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>last thursday i got something of a cold, and was pretty congested 
>on saturday when i went jumpin; my first freefall was pure agony
>by 6,000', i thought my head was going to explode. something
>seems to have. i took some decongestant stuff (suphedrine?)
>and things were fine after that. then sunday, i took more pills
>before making a jump; after each jump, i had a mild pressure
>that i had thought due to my taking the foam thing off of my 
>over-the-glasses Kroops, but i started spitting a bit of blood
>and on my third jump, i had blood running up my goggles :-(
>
>this ever happened to anyone else? 
>
>tim, still bloody nosed
>

Tim,

	When I took the flight physiology course (including chamber ride to 25,000 ft
- yahoo!) before some planned high altitude jumps they discussed this problem
in some detail.  I paid particular attention to the medical stuff because I am
also an EMT.  *NEVER* jump with a cold!!!  Ear and sinus blocks, as they are
called, can be extremely dangerous, causing anything from minor damage to the
tissues of the ears or sinuses, to ruptured eardrums, to life threatening air
embolisms in the brain cavity (there are passages from certain sinuses into the
brain) or in the bloodstream.  Not to mention the danger from your probably
debilitated mental condition due to other cold symptoms.

	Pain is the body's reaction to damage.  Clearly you've caused at least
moderate damage, as evidenced by the blood.  You should see your doctor to make
sure that the damage is not permanent.  Maybe consider taking a flight
physiology course - it's only one day and it's fun! (contact your local FAA
office)

	Now that the sermon is over, of course we all jump with colds, and life
threatening sinus blocks are rare.  I find nasal spray to be most effective,
and it doesn't make you drousy besides.  I will usually double the
over-the-counter dosage thereby getting "prescription strength".  (Of course, I
still don't reccommend that anyone else should double over-the-counter dosages
or jump with colds :-)  Start your medication at least an hour or so before you
leave the ground to insure that it is working.

	If you try jumping and discover that, medication or not, you are in agony
because of an ear or sinus block, than perhaps you should simply stay on the
ground and make some jump money by packing, etc.

Scott (traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com)
D-13279
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From: Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca
Subject: Dreams
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:06:00 GMT

I my skydiving dreams I can go up too! :-)) 

Charolyn
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From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Subject: Re: Spotting and Ground Speed
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.094148.12981@ugle.unit.no> baardkjo@idt.unit.no writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.020400.12349@mercury.cair.du.edu>, jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu  (Jan  Vilhuber)  writes:  
>|> Ground speed would indeed seem to  be irrelevant. The  wind, after all. is 
>|> what  carries the jumpers away from the  aircraft. The  plane could be  standing  
>
>Consider  a little  further  the "extreme"  situation where  the  plane
>stands still due to very high winds:
>
> [extremely good example deleted]
>
>Conclusion: Ground speed is relevant, air speed is not. Ensure proper
>exit spacing in heavy winds! (And get the hell out of the plane in
>zero wind conditions! :-) 
>
Hm.. If you put it that way, I don't have much choice but to agree.
Sounds reasonable to me. I'm convinced.
Thanks:)
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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Looking for pictures of formations
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:19:16 GMT

Art Bori (artb@hplsla.hp.com) wrote:
: Someone posted a wish list for a program that would let someone
: design a dive and have the program show transitions, angles, etc.
: There have been at least a couple of such programs written.
: I think _Parachutist_ or _Skydiving_ wrote articles about both
: of them a few years back.

I have never seen these articles.  Wanna mail me more info on them?
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From: Eric_J_Rainbolt@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Hinckley Crash
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 09:18:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


Hinckley was my home drop zone.  I have jumped there many times this year.
It was very shocking to hear the news of those fellow skydivers, first-time
students, and friends who lost their lives this past weekend.  I knew most
of the peoples names and faces.

I just wanted to say that Hinckley and the people I jumped with were the
greatest group of people I have jumped with.  I just hope that the
drop zone will be able to survive this.

Ed Baron, one of the victims and son of the owner was one person I remember
well.  I remember one day he showed me the basics of sky-surfing,
one of his interests.  May God bless all those who died, and all those
who are suffering because of this.

Eric Rainbolt
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From: laubach@hpl.hp.com (Mark Laubach)
Subject: Yumping in France
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:25:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

I'm going to be in France for a few days plus a weekend in October.  Anyone
have any good recommendations on where to jump there?

--
Mark
D14706

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From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: The HERD boogie
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:17:54 GMT
Keywords: herd boogie

In article <BuBqsJ.3Iq@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
> *sigh*
> 
> The herd boogie was rained/clouded out this year.  I'm told that people
> jumped on Friday only
About 30 loads got off Friday afternoon, and there was CRW
at sunset, includign a great downplane that they held to about
fifty feet.

> but Saturday, Sunday, and Monday were a no go.
Yeah.  Too bad.

> Late Saturday there was one low pass to release Mr. Brady's ashes over
> the dz.  Several jumpers jumped from the same bou on two passes.
Not several.  Forty in two passes of twenty each.  Just hop and pops,
as cloud cover was around 2000.'  Done at sunset, it was a solemn
moment.  Dan Bredy, you may recall, was killed earlier this year
when a cameraman crashed into him after he'd pulled.  The cameraman
sustained serious injuries, but survived.

Mark also may have missed the car burning, which was quite good.
The owner of the burned car was then presented with an almost
new, mint condition Chrysler Fifth Avenue.  This was all planned
well in advance as the guy whose car was burned (and that car
needed burning) was a long time (twenty plus years) jumpmaster who
had put many of the current crop of Herd jumpmasters out for their
first jumps.  His shock and distress as he watched his car go
up disappeared quickly when he saw the replacement.  The police
did their job when they showed up and ordered the burning to stop.
The crowd did their job by refusing to stop.  The fire department
did their's when they showed up about twenty minutes later and
put the fire out, and everyone had a really good time.

Just so no one is too distressed by the lawlessness of the action,
the car's gas tank and battery were removed, the carbeurator removed
also so that water could be poured into the manifold to settle
any fumes, and the tires were removed after the car was
pushed into a good place for burning.  Careful note was taken of the
position of any propane tanks and other flammables.  It was not
a half-assed job.

Dean Kaflowitz
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Richmond IN Boogie
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:27:24 GMT

Reply-to: Nancy.Jo@p0.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Jo Irwin)
Fido-To: all

Great time bigger than ever!!! Over 400 registered jumpers.
Mike Mcgowan there doing video.  The following airplanes: CASA, DC-3, Mike Mullins King Air, 411 and 2 Beeches.  The DC-3 blew a jug on Sunday didn't seem to make a difference.  There was a 4 point 23 way done out of the CASA and a 36 way attempt for Nancy (Meineke) Yoder's 35th birthday.  
Several injuries: One due to a low hook turn-broken pelvis.
Another was caused by a double grip on exit from the CASA. A rather thin lady had a double grip with a man on exit.
She went under the base on exit and the double grip broke her arm.
It was not her pull arm although someone else on the load realized that her arm was broken and attempted to pull for her. She pulled for herself at 8000. Luckily there were only three people above her-two video guys and a diver.
By the way it was her hundredth jump. 

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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: HELP: Things to consider when buying a hand altimeter?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:37:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.224158.16853@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.160938.14839@ncar.ucar.edu> nws@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Eddie Roberts (The National Weather Service)) writes:
>>
>> I am about to purchase my first piece of skydiving gear.... an
>> altimeter that straps onto the back of your hand ( for some
>> reason I have a hard time with the chest mounts provided at
>> our DZ). Anyway are there different things to look for 
>> in altimeters or are all altimeters about the same? Is there a better
>> manufacturer etc. etc.?
>
>
>Here are two things that I consider very important. One, can you replace the
>lens? This is true on the altimaster II and some other altimeters. Your 
>altimeter can get pretty bunged up (but only if you use it right :-) ) and
>a new lens can make it look new. Two, and much more importantly, is the

One trick I have used to save the lens on my altimeters is to cover them
with the a clear plastic sheet like those used to cover pictures/id cards.
I have found that this material appears to be scratch resistant and did not
have to replace it on one altimeter for over 3 years.


H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: how often does this happen?
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:13:20 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: bill caefer

Thursday September 10 1992, Bill Caefer writes to Paul Stansberry:

 BC> An A license means nothing.  As you found out.

Yes, I also found out for sure he was not supposed to supervise, the next
weekend.

 BC> It seems that you have learned a valuable lesson.  And cheaply.  Great.

You can say that again.  The one thing I want to always do, is be safe.  I
hope I never forget that.  I read that article in Sep issue on page 30 of
Parachutist, and I agree whole heartedly.

 BC> I'm sure it will be.  BTW, where do you jump?

In Veedersburg IN.  Just finished my 7th Jump last weekend, and tomorrow
(sunday), I will do my first 10 sec delay, and hopefully finish the day with
my second 25 second(or whatever comes next) delay.  We have one C-182, and the
club is called the Illiana Skydivers.  GREAT bunch of people, very helpful too.

Howabout you?

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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Looking for pictures of formations
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:47:45 GMT

Hiroto Shibuya (shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com) wrote:
: I want to go even further.  I want to have electric representation of
: sequetial RW which contains all the essential abstraction which define
: a whole skydive, including all the grips, angles, transition between
: points, targetings, keys.  I want to have a dive editor where I can
: electronically engineer a dive and animate it.

Wow!  That would be really neat.  I might even consider paying
something for it.  (A fool and his money are soon parted).

Unfortunately, it sounds like a major task to me.
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Dumpster accident
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:01:28 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu:mark@virt

 r> You may argue with me, but I believe that a safe group of skydivers
 r> is an informed group of skydivers.

I agree with this sentiment, but it would probably be better said the other way 'round.  ie, safe doesn't really imply informed.

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From: skydiver@infoserv.com (Alden Gustafson)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: complete rig + sabre 135
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:00:49 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Power Programming

WANTED:

      Sabre 135 in good condition.

AND

      A complete rig with a canopy of about 175 ft^2.

If you have any of the above components please contact me

Post or e-mail

                        skydiver@infoserv.com (AG)

P.S. The rig is for me and I'm 5'7" and 135 lbs.
From: bleck@aztec.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Computerized LogBook
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:37:15 GMT
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <BuBpHK.28I@virtech.uucp>, you write:
|> fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu wrote:

|> ========================= jumplog.c ==================================
|> /* Logbook program - Joe Peterson */

Hey joe%avs.uucp@uunet.uu.net, is that yours?
That's some pretty ugly c code there!!

-Olaf
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From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Subject: Boenish Photo Book ... need info.
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:01:02 GMT

Would someone please send me the full bibliographic reference for
Carl Boenish's first book of skydiving photography?  I need the
title; author's full name; date of publication (year), publisher;
and city of publication.

I greatly appreciate any help offered -- thanks!

Bill
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: RW competitors
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:35:46 GMT

[i'm posting this reply that i got in the mail]

From: dianen@world.std.com (Diane J Nakashian)

To answer some of your questions.

1. Those expensive ground to air cameras are usually owned by the military. 
They're not as good as air to air video, but A LOT better than telemeters, 
which is what they used to use. They are good for filming style - which is I
 think why the military has them, that's really popular in N.C. Raeford 
may have their own also, for the same reason. Air to air video gets expensive
 too as you have to pay the camera man & for another spot on the plane. For 
4-way that eliminates 182's. (Unless you do that insane formation stuff (5 
cessnas in formation, 4 with teams, 1 with camera people that we did at the 
Nationals one year.)

2. The Air Force team is not as good as the Knights. They usually compete in 
Intermediate rather than Open competition.

3. The dive sequences are drawn by the judges at the competitors briefing be-
fore the competition. They have two tubs, 1 with random & 1 with block se-
quences I think. As I remember it they'll draw 1 dive that's all random 
formations, then 1 that's random, block, random, block, then back to 1 
that's all random until they have 6 dives. After 6 dives they do a cut, and 
only the top 4 teams continue on with 4 more dives which the judges draw at 
that time (I think). Also the number of the team, which determines what order 
the teams jump in, is drawn at the competitors briefing.

I have a real hard time replying to the newsgroup as I am VI editor deficient,
so if you feel like sending this up there, feel free.
Diane

From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:49:52 GMT
Subject: Spotting and Ground Speed
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

I publish a small newsletter for jumpers in the Northwest and a contributor
wrote an article about spotting.  One point that was addressed was how 
much time to allow between groups exiting on the same pass.  The contributor
stated that you need to consider *ground* speed when determining how much time
to allow between exiting groups.  In other words, if the ground speed is 
is lower, you need to allow more time between groups to obtain the
same relative horizontal separation.  Other jumpers I talked to argue
that *ground* speed is irrelevant.

What I wanted to ask was: 1)  Do you agree or disagree and why?
			  2)  What (other) factors do you consider when
			      multiple groups exit?

(Quite honestly, I usually jump in conditions in which getting out faster
is more of a concern than getting out too soon.)

Anyway, opinions and ideas welcome.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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From: yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: 7th floor drop--Acceleration of G, minus wind resistance
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:59:14 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

I'm posting this because the reply failed:

>>> RCPT To:<mikey@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca>
<<< 550 <mikey@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca>... User unknown
550 <binkley.cs.mcgill.ca!mikey>... User unknown


>FYI in 12 seconds: (assuming negligable wind resistance)

>2300'

>.5*32*144

>Assuming Vmax of 120 MPH, or 176 FPS

>1630'


>.5*32*5.5^2+6.5*176

>Which is about 150 stories to die. 

>Of course, concrete sucks, so I imagine after 10 or so stories you're
>kinda screwed.

yes, once you have reached terminal velocity.

My number of 1300' in 12 seconds assumed a start with 0 velocity downward.

After all, when you jump off a building, you do not have an initial
vertical velocity....




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