HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Revised SIQ test
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:05:55 GMT

In article kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
)
)Here is the second edition of the Spiritual Intelligence Test.
)
)After reviewing the grade curve for the first edition, it was decided
)that the test was probably biased against those who have no spiritual
)intelligence. As a result, the test has been made even easier, so that
)those who previously did not know the answers or were unable to
)understand the questions will now find that this is no barrier to their
)receiving a perfect grade. The format of the test has been changed to
)MULTIPLE CHOICE and the student is now invited to issue his own grade.
)
)Kalki Dasa

Ha-ha!  Thanks for making me laugh.  There really are no excuses.


--
Bob Pietkivitch     | "Moon, my long lost friend, is smiling from above."
rjp1@ihspa.att.com  |  -- Genesis, Stagnation 1970
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Cayce's Pyramid
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:20:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Pyramidologists: The life of Edgar Cayce is wonderful study. There
are many books written about him. My favorite is There is a River.
John Winston.
From: rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Robert Hay)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Contamination
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:46:33 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I wanted to know how ones energy feild becomes contaminated and how one 
can become uncontaminated, as I believe I have been contaminated.  It is 
a somewhat long story and personal, however I believe it is my thought 
energy feild that is contaminated.  I channeled a freind of mine and I 
were engaged with each other.  She developed some terrible fears during 
this time and both of our emotions were really running high.  She 
developed a terrible set of anxiety and I felt as though I was not in my 
body for about 3 days afterwords.  My head stung like pins and needles 
and I am certain that she threw up a wall.  I am really concerned for her 
and me.  

Anyone familiar with this please drop me some mail.
Thankyou.

Robert Hay              rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:01:30 GMT

In article <2B0683A6.7DE2@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
>>...and say goodbye and may God be with you. Adona Vasu Baragus.
>
>Klaatu Barada Nicto!

Eeeeeeeeeeee-yakaboo

What I think is amazing is that the alien language can be written in
English text without any diacriticals or anything fancy.  For BEMs I would
expect at least something along the lines of:

	A!%lo^a pBxt ZZy`vit fmN!g

C Frog
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From: stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone)
Subject: Re: Dolphin-Aliens?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:14:28 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Subject: Dolphins.
>   There is a name that strikes hatred in some of the people who read this Net 
>and hear a certain person's name. They really fly apart and raved for a long 
>time.  Thit name is Uri Geller.

No.  Thit name is "John Winston".

> Blah-blah-blah [Ditfrimmy Deleted]

>Even now, friendly dolphins are being 
>used to help heal mentally handicapped children. I have found these less 
>fortunate kids relate more to the friendly dolphins than humans.

Really?  Interesting.  When did he do this research?  Where?
Whom did he do it with?  Where did he publish his  findings?
 
> Their highly developed sensors can instantly detect even the most minor 
>physical disorder.  When a dolphin looks at a person underwater, it 
>automatically gives him a complete scan-better than a hospital ultra-scan 
>examination, believe me.

Why, how could Uri even THINK that we'd ever doubt HIS word,
right, Johnny?

> It's like an X-ray with souund waves,
> Instead of trying  to unlock the incredible scientific and medical knowledge 
>stored in dolphins' brains, scientists are spending more time training them 
>to kill than they are doing research into how dolphins can be used to help 
>mankind.

I don't suppose the dolphins make house calls to the homes of mentally
unbalanced loons who post tabloid crapola to A.A.V., do they,
Johnny? (Hint-hint-hint....)
  
>  I once went to a secret training institute where dolphins were being geared 
>to carry deadly weapons.

How does Geller manage to wrangle invitations to soirees like these,
Johnny?  He and 007 must have alot of names in common in their 
Christmas lists.
 
> Scientists there even nicknamed them Kamikaze Dolphins because of their 
>ability to aim themselves at ships, then there would be no trace of them 
>after the explosion. 

What a surprise.  Gasp.
 

>  This is me (John Winston) talking now.

Oh boy.  Let the good times roll....
 
> That would be all well and good but 
>some people wouldn't believe anything Uri Geller says.
>John Winston.

You'd best get on the stick yourself and see iff'n those
dolphins make house calls, Johnny.  The medication is CLEARLY
not working for you....

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mirage@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dean Joseph Sanvitale)
Subject: John MegaMan Winston
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 02:54:24 GMT

You sir are no NASRUDIN.
From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:11:00 GMT
 <1992Nov20.013330.16774@unislc.uucp> <20NOV199208014661@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> <5984@balrog.ctron.com>
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <5984@balrog.ctron.com>, smith@ctron.com writes...
>In article <20NOV199208014661@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>, lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
> 
>>>:    Mike Stackpole of the Phoenix Skeptics was on a radio show with a
>>>: woman who did a hypnotic regression on the air of another woman, who
>>>: recalled a past life in China under some specific name I forget.
>>>: Mike pointed out that what the woman had just described was an episode
>>>: of the TV show "Kung Fu," at which point the hypnotic subject realized
>>>: that she had indeed seen that episode.
> 
>>>So?  What does that prove?  That reincarnation and past lives research
>>>is just so much bullshit?  I think not.
> 
>>No.  It demonstrates that cryptomnesia is something that does occur
>>in hypnotic regression and needs to be taken into consideration.
> 
>>cough< >cough<
> 
>I'd say it proves that "reincarnation and past lives research
>is just so much bullshit".  No one, in all of history, has
>come forth with a provable, demonstrable case of reincarnation,
>with associated evidence.  It has been claimed so often, and
>then rebutted so thoroughly, as in the paragraph above, that
>most reasonable people would, I think, feel quite comfortable
>in claiming that it was, in fact, so much bullshit.  There is
>probably more doubt about gravity than reincarnation.

The referent of "it" in your first sentence refers only to the single
case I described, right?  If so, then I disagree with your first sentence.
The single case I described proves nothing of the sort.  You go on to bring
up additional facts, which I agree with.  The weight of the evidence is,
I agree, that reincarnation is hooey.  My point above was to agree with
Mr. Carp that the one piece of evidence I brought up was not sufficient
to demonstrate that.

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Revised SIQ test
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:56:23 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes:

> Ha-ha!  Thanks for making me laugh.  There really are no excuses.

You're welcome. We just had to do something to make it look like people
really know what's happening. Maybe on "judgement day" we can all just
hand in our test papers and hope nobody asks us to defend them!

Sincerely,
Kalki "Uh, sorry, um...my dog ate it" Dasa


       -------------------------------------------------------
      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
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Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:28:54 GMT

Scott C DeLancey (delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu) wrote:

: their minds can do to them while they aren't looking.  Your memories--even
: ordinary memories of everday pedestrian reailty--are
: not factual records of objective truth, however much they may feel like
: it.

Unless backed up by a sizeable body of evidence.  If I say that I have been
to location X, and seen Y, and ten people also go to location X and agree
that they see Y, I'd think that's pretty convincing evidence that what we
have here is a factual record.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:36:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <69901@cup.portal.com>

Dear Big Bird Watchers: It's getting close to Thanksgiving and I assume
that some of you are thinking about a different type of bird now.
John Winston.
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From: doug@testsys.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Astral 1.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:35:39 EST
Reply-To: doug@uuisis.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: DistNet Technical Support

In article <roelle.721939012@uars_mag> 
(Curtis Roelle) writes: 

> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> 
> >Subject: Astral Projection.
> >  I have had some requests to explain how astral projection is done so here 
> >goes;  Well now that we've got this far you should be able to do, !. Send 
> >and receive thoughts. 2. Seal the aura (we haven't covered that one yet) and 
> >3. Call a flying saucer.  If you haven't accomplished these things yet it 
>     **** * ****** ******
> 
> Call a flying saucer as in summons, or just for a chat?
> 
> I for one want to here more about it.  Hailing a saucer for the
> airport would certainly impress the boss more than just catching an
> ordinary old taxi cab.  Sure, we could just skip the airplane thing,
> but I don't want to seem pretentious.

Well, ya know, what I can't figure is that if these guys in the flying
saucers are so smart, why haven't they figured out how to do e-mail
yet and got linked to the internet?

=Doug

---

uuisis!testsys!doug
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:07:27 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov20.013330.16774@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
=:    Mike Stackpole of the Phoenix Skeptics was on a radio show with a
=: woman who did a hypnotic regression on the air of another woman, who
=: recalled a past life in China under some specific name I forget.
=: Mike pointed out that what the woman had just described was an episode
=: of the TV show "Kung Fu," at which point the hypnotic subject realized
=: that she had indeed seen that episode.
=
=So?  What does that prove?  That reincarnation and past lives research
=is just so much bullshit?  I think not.

It demonstrates, as I pointed out in a previous post, that memories that are
found under hypnosis are simply not to be trusted.  You can't use such memories
themselves as evidence of past lives.  Someone else has posted suggestions for
how you can REALLY test whether the regression was valid.  The mere fact that
the memories feel real is useless.  The topic is covered in the sci.skeptic
FAQ.

=:    In order for the evidence to support a past life, you must be able to
=: show (a) that the recollections are independently supported by other
=: evidence (e.g., records showing that the person recalled did exist and
=: did do the things that were recalled) and (b) the person doing the recalling
=: did not have access to that information.  It is better to check (a) before
=: (b) because the latter is harder to verify and the former usually fails.
=
=What is "usually"?  Dick Sutphen has done quite a bit of evidence-gathering
=along these lines, and has verified quite a bit of what he has been told by
=people he has regressed.

Fine.  But there's no point in checking to see whether someone might have had
access to the information via conventional means until you verify that the
information is accurate, now is there?  Or don't new-age bliss-ninnys care
about things like that?

That's the first step.  Now, did he bother to take the second step and make
sure that the subject didn't have some way of knowing the information without 
having lived past lives?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Big Bird
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:52:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject; Big Bird.
   I glad you are reading this rather than me. If I were reading it I wouldn't 
believe it and it happened to me. 
  It all started when a friend of mine told me about a time when she and her 
teen age daughter (who is a changeling) with a few of her friends were in a 
very scary place on the sides of some mountain near Fremont, Calif. (Mission 
Peak).  They were all having a good time when they started hearing something 
make a lot of noise.  As they got close they could see that something was 
growling like a dinosaur and knocking the brush down with it's wings but 
they couldn't see anything. They said the found a large nest about 20 feet 
across that looked like it was made by a very large bird. They left the area.
  I checked with my psychic advisor and he said that reports of Big Bird had 
been in the newspapers lately and he didn't mean Big Bird of Sesame Street 
on TV.  He advised me not  to go in alone and not go in at dark.
End Part 1.
John Winston.
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Greys, Good, Bad, or Kibozotic
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:34:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BxsqAB.848
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston

In article <69561@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>  Please don't think that this is something that I alone know about. 

Oh, John, we'd never think YOU ALONE know about this stuff!

							-- K.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone)
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:12:52 GMT




Call the Doctor, call the Nurse;
Johnny's bad, and getting worse.

T.R. Stone
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: elascurn@daimi.aau.dk (Lars R{der Clausen)
Subject: Re: Where is the navel chakra
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:22:13 GMT

farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:

>In the Hindu and Buddhist literature, and teachers, that I know of, the
>third major chakra, or psychic center, in the subtle body/energy body/
>aura, is located at about 2 inches below the navel. I think this 
>corresponds to the Hara/Tan T'ien in Japanese/Chinese teachings. 
>However, all the new age material I have seen, the third center is
>located at the solar plexus. In both descriptions they seem to
>correspond to the same sort of energy, i.e., power, will, etc.

>Anybody got any idea why there is the discrepancy in location?

According to what I've learned, the hara chackra is the second chakra,
located, as you say, about 2 inches below the navel, and the solar plexus
chakra is the third chakra, located, appropriately, at the solar plexus.
And they have very different kinds of energy (water vs fire). It sounds
to me like someone got something wrong somewhere.

>Thanks,
>			Lorenzo
>-- 
>"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
>by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
>obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
>					******************************

-Lars Clausen
--
C code.  C code run.  Run code, run. ..please?
				-Unknown
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From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:39:31 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <70103@cup.portal.com>, Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
> I find it absolutely amazing how several someones can negate and deny their
> spirituality by saying reincarnation does not exist and be proud of it!  I
> thought all the Nazis had reincarnated into Scientology,  but I guess it
> does make since some would come back as alleged scientests. 


As a scientist and a skeptic, I take this as a personal insult. 
Although I wasn't involved in the discussion so far, NOTHING has been said
that could relate any of the speakers to Nazis. Please precise your
accusations, or fuck the hell off.

>Since
> reincarnation has been a natural law,  long,  long before science.  It is
> up to Science to prove it does not exist. 

Here we go again. Could you please wake up for a minute (I know reality is
harsh, but facing it once in a while is an healthy exercise). 
YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR CLAIMS, SCIENCE (whatever the entity could be -
I prefer to refer to scientists) DOESN'T HAVE TO ( and for that matter cannot)
DISPROVE THEM.

 I have been assisting folks to
> remember their other lives for over twenty years.  I use biofeedback and
> ,excuse the unscientific term, love. I used to do skeptics but no matter
> how many past lives they would remember they always negated their own
> experience afterwards so basically I found it a waste of time to deal with
> them.  No one but you is going to hold you accountable for what you have
> done in your other lives,  so do not worry they will not put you on trial.
> Go ahead notice your other lives,  that is where your richness and depth
> is.  To me the only purpose of science is to affirm and exploit our
> connection to creation.


Aside from the typical New Age crap you're so found of, could you please
substanciate ONE of the "past lives experiences" you've witnessed ?
Other than some vague recollection of events ?

No you can't, and that's all this whole thing is about. On the contrary,
numerous studies have shown that some "past lives memories" are nothing
but childhood recollections, or pieces of imagination. This doesn't disprove
your hypothesis, it simply warns us to be careful before jumping into
the twilight zone.

> 
> Don Showen


JM.
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From: delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:30:06 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Nov20.012854.16274@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Scott C DeLancey (delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu) wrote:
>
>: their minds can do to them while they aren't looking.  Your memories--even
>: ordinary memories of everday pedestrian reailty--are
>: not factual records of objective truth, however much they may feel like
>: it.
>
>Unless backed up by a sizeable body of evidence.  If I say that I have been
>to location X, and seen Y, and ten people also go to location X and agree
>that they see Y, I'd think that's pretty convincing evidence that what we
>have here is a factual record.

But--unless there's "evidence" around that I've missed--that isn't an
accurate picture of the results of past life regressions.  More like you
"remember" having been to M and seen X, someone else feels they've been
to N and seen Y, a third has been to O and seen Z.  Different
individuals' regressed memories are not memories of the same thing, only
memories of the same kind, and therefore don't confirm one another.
Different schizophrenics often have very similar sorts of delusional
systems, but the similarities don't do anything to confirm the validity
of their mental experience.

Scott DeLancey
i
C
Scott DeLancey

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