HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Can't get CND-globle news
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:45:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I subscribed to CND a few days ago and got the reply that I was accepted.
But nothing came since. I sent a mail for help to the address specified and
got no reply.

Anybody know anything about this?

BTW, I subscribed to CND-global.     

Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Can't get CND-globle news
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.214535.17425@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes...
>I subscribed to CND a few days ago and got the reply that I was accepted.
>But nothing came since. I sent a mail for help to the address specified and
>got no reply.
> 
>Anybody know anything about this?
> 
>BTW, I subscribed to CND-global.     
> 
>Thanks.
AS far as I know, CND_Global is having some "technical dificulties". I have
not been receiving it for about 10 days. I do not know what the hell I can
do.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Mainland China is #3 Economic Superpower?! :-(
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:48:23 GMT

In article <92242.150907ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>  U.S.A., U.S.S.R., P.R.China, Japan, Germany, ...
>  $5.0T    $3-4T      $2.8T    $1.7T   $1.5T          (in 1988)
   *****
Half of that damn thing are borrowed from foriengers in term of T-Bill
and T-Bond.
>
>However, there is nothing to be proud of (actually Chinese should
>feel ashamed), given the fact that the productivity (GNP per capita
>by purchasing power) in Mainland China is only 1/8 of that in U.S.A.
>(US$2,472 vs. US$20,000).  It will take 70 years for Mainland China
It is dangerous to calculate in linear term. Drastic events, like War,
technological break through, will reshape the trend in favor, or in 
unfavor of China, depending how stupid or smart we are in dealing with
internal, external politics.`


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:06:29 GMT

In article <92Aug31.172148edt.115@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
[... stuff deleted ...]
>
>You can't say that Qing conquered everyone, qing basically inherited
                                             ????????????????????????
>everything from Ming, plus the Mongolian territories under the
 ????????????????????
>Manchu-Mongol alliance, and Ming got everything from the Mongolians.  
>Qinghai like its neighboring provinces, is predominately Hui(muslim), 
>only because there are a bunch of different tribes doesn't mean
>that they were not under the Dynasties rule all along.  
>

I think you are wrong. Qing empire really conquered Inner Mongolia,
XinJiang, Qinghai and XiZang. These territories were not governed by
Chinese in Ming empire. You can check on a Chinese history book.

William Man
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24555 soc.culture.hongkong:10387 soc.culture.taiwan:12754
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To our comrades in China (Was: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese)
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:22:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <9224616.8305@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
|> In article <9224615.5647@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
|> >claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
|> 
|> [...Stuff deleted...]
|> 	
|> >
|> >Wrong, the ONLY reason I started the trend was because the Secretary of
|> 					        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >CCP is reading the trend.  Otherwise, I would not have bothered, knowing
|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	** A bit of uncertain is there. I mean, are you sure you're getting 
|> 	   genuinely him? I'm ready to wager he isn't quite likely willing
|> 	   to read our clucking stuff at all! In fact, why the hell he
|> 	   has to bother reading on the net? I'm doubtfull!!! 

Indeed, it could just happen that someone use faked email to post the news,
it is not uncommon, perhaps our Baby doesn't know. :-)

Lin Can

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:33:26 GMT

In article <2A9D58EF.24907@orion.oac.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>Most of the blood carders are:
>
>           |      __|__ ----|         ____\____   ___|___   ___|_\_
>  __\__  |_|_|   ___|__ ____|   ----  | /\ --||  __\_|_/__  --/| /
>   \ /  -------   / |-- |____\   /     /\/ |\|      /|\      / | \
> ------ ___|___  /\_|_______    /|==| / /  |__\    / | \    /  |  \
>        | | | |						    \|
>
>                  -------      /  \
>		_____|____      \/
>                    |          /\
>		     |         //\\
> 		     |        //\/ \
> 				/\
>                               /\/
>                                /
>
>  __\__ |___    ----------   |=  |=        -----      __|__  |=|
>   |__  /\/         |         | __|__    _____/___      |/ |=| |=|
>   |  |  /\         | \     |-|-__|_|        |         /| ____|____ 
>   | \| /  \        |  \      |   /\         |        / |   / | \
>   /   /    \       |         |  /  \       \|         \|  / \|  \
>		 
>		  ____\_____              __\___
>                 | ______ |       _/_/_  |----|
>                      /            \/    |----|
>                     /|/           /\    |\/
>                     /|\                 | \___
>                     /| \                |/
>                     \|

 Sure you consider yourself to be the opposite.

-ping
From: zeng@mth.msu.edu (Zhonggang Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Questions about "Shen Tong (grabbed)"
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:24:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <2AA6AD21.13228@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>I do not know who Shen Tong is, but have some simple questions about his/her 
>arrest:
>
>1.  Is Shen Tong the only person visiting China recently?  If not, why the
>    Chinese government did not arrest others?
>
>2.  Do you watch news each night?  If so, how many Americans get arrested per 
>    day?  Did the Chinese government and the Chinese people get 
>    Da(big)Jing(surprise)Xiao(small)Guai(starnge) on these American arrests?
>
>3.  My brother, for example, stays in CHina.  Why the Chinese government did 
>    not arrest him?
>
>4.  Some of my friends travel back and forth between the US and CHina almost
>    on monthly basis.  Why the Chinese government did not arrest them?
>
>5.  Neither the Chinese government nor the US government likes to arrest me.
>    Why?  I understand that I may mean nothing to some gocernments.  But to
>    show you mean something, you do not have to be in custody.
>
>6.  Being protected by someone or by some organization or by some governments
>    is not a hero thing.  Agree?  If those d-fighters are really
>    Niu(bufflo)Pi(skin)Hong(bomb)Hong(bomg), why didn't they arrest those
>    CCP guys instead of being arrested by CCP?
>
>7.  Being mouth-ly strong only, does not fix anything.  Agree?
>
>
>shannon
>-------

shannon: When your mother is raped, are you going to ask why your mother-
in-law isn't?
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Summary: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2SEP199222243857@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes...
>In article <1992Sep02.215414.8602@jho.com>, john@jho.com (John Ho) writes...
>> 
>>It is now official.  President Bush was in my backyard Ft. Worth this
>>afternoon to announce he authorized to sell Taiwan 150 F-16 which
>>worth more than $4 billion dollars and it also saved 3000 jobs in
>>Texas.  Bad thing for Bush is that all the General Dynamics workers
>>realize that this is a pure political move and the sale probably won't
>>help him much in the poll.  
>>-- 
>>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
>How about sell 300 F-16 to China? That would be more helpful and
>may make more than $8 billion. That would give the US economy a
>big boost. Poor George ! 
>And Poor Chinese! Mainland is buying weapons from the formor USSR 
>while Taiwan is buy weapons from the USA and French. Those guys are 
>making money from Chinese while Chinese on both side of the Straight 
>is armed to teeth to fight each other so those guys can have fun to 
>watch the show.
>That is the stage of international politics. People do not spend money
>to watch show, rather people earning money to watch show.
>Please, can somebody stand up to stop this? 
>c.q.

Why don't mainland stop stopping other country selling weapon to Taiwan?
That will make the price of weapons lower so Taiwan dosn't have to spend
too much . Taiwan has declared not to use military force in the unification
of China if Taiwan is not under military invasion. Why do those F-16 have to
be used against mainland? No matter unification or TI , people in Taiwan are
still ethnically unchanged . Why is there fear among mailanders that taiwan
will be separated from China foever? The only thing Taiwanese want is pease
and prosperity and a guarentee that they will never suffer from any unpredict-
able disaster like what they have suffered before. They need to hold their
future with their own hands not with the mercy of others.And the F-16s helps.
If you were a Taiwanese , don't you think so? Please remember almost all 
Taiwanese are descendents of Chinese settlers not conquored minorities.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.000732.22184@oracle.us.oracle.com>, kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes...
>In article <1992Aug25.170418.1869@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems22lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
>>
>>In 1930s, government created million of jobs for American through spending 
>>money on building infrastructure like bridges, roads. That spending led the 
>>way out of the depression.
> 
>The U.S. never really got out of the Depression until the War came and huge
>defence hiring and weaponry projects were started.
It is very likely that the US will not really get out this recession unless
it defines another cold/hot war and relaunch its military industry
Daniel
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:11:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <27AUG199209254080@>s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>
>>Agree, let the people themselves to decide where they want to live.
>>The so called protection bill is just to give Chinese students here
>>a chance to choose to stay or to go back. If someone is determined to
>>stay, what's the good to force him/her to go back!?
> 
>The protection bill is not just as simple as give you the choice. If somebody
>told your son that he did not have to stay with you, he could stay with him, 
>and the guy told you that your son was under his protection. What do you
>think? After all, we are not endangered spieces. We do have the ability to
>fight for our survival. We do have the right to fight for the better future
>of our country. what the hell the protection bill can do

Assume your logic that country=parents is right(which I don't think so),
considering the facts that the parents had abused the children for
more than 40 years and the children are not happy living with them,
I would say they better find a happier life some where else.

>Daniel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.005936.10648@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes...
>In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug28165624@math12.bnlux1.bnl.gov> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>>> In article <1992Aug28.185849.10234@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
>>>>>>> "Eddie" == Eddie Cheng <echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>>
>>                          Besides, cats and tigers are families, I doubt
>>mice would live close to the cat-family ;-).
> 
>  In reality, it's not uncommon that mice and cats live under the same roof.
> 
>-ping
> 

Hello, everybody:

The following hasnothing to do with politics. It is just a folk story
that my wife's grandma told her when she was young and not my wife
and she told me when she became my wife. Now I am telling you even my
wife is still my wife. Again, it is just for fun, nothing politics!!

========================================================================
Cat was tiger's master (SHI1 FU4). He taught tiger everything, how to
eat, how to grab a thing etc. One day, tiger asked cat:
	
	"Have you taught me everything you know?"

	"Yes, of course." Cat answers.

Then, the tiger opened his huge mouth and trying to eat the cat. The cat
quickly climbed to a tree nearby and the tiger could not catch it. So the
tiger shouted to the cat under the tree:

	"Hey, you big liar, you have not taught me everything! You
never told my how to climb a tree."

	"No, of course not. Otherwise, you would have eaten me!" The cat 
answered.

=======================================================================
Well, that is it. I am not a good tale teller. But I hope you enjoy it.

c.q.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:06:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:

>speaking)? Maybe, induvadually, Han discriminate minorities. But if you
>say the central government intentioanly suppress the minorities, especially
>Tibetans, I think that would not be fair.

Han people maybe look down (conciously or unconciously) 
people from a poorer enviroment just like people in any other society, 
but that kind of attitude is not based on cultural or racial differences,
it's purely econimic, that is understandable, it's even worse in this
country, people look down you even if you do your work better than them,
you are clenner than them, what can you do about it? As I stated before, 
relatively speaking, Chinese don't care much about people's ethnic background 
and religious belief, they can co-exist with different people easily.

>c.q.

Ze Yang
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: New topic of discussion: China's Elite Culture
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:37:12 GMT
Organization: New York University

Sorry about the delay in respoinding to your message - I usu come to school very
late on Saturdays. As always, I enjoy reading your mails and respect your
view points.

I agree to your classification as to the patterns for achieving elitism but
I'd like to point out that meritocracy tends to blur the boundary of the elite
circle. People at times might dispute against each other as to whether a 
specific non-aristocrat should be counted as an elite. Usually it turns out
that drawing such a borderline is meaningless.

I also agree with you that policy making in China under CCP has been both
bizarre and disastrous- the degree of incompetence has been overwhelming.
However, I think trends of change are already very apparent; though I admit
the current situation is just far from being satisfactory. You start to see
a lot of rationale in the new policies put forward in the past two years. I may
be talking about something not directly relavent to China's elite culture so
I can come back when both of us agree to.

OK, let me stop here today and I'll write more later. Take care.


- Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Looking for friend Liang Yung Chii
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 05:20:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.110123.19085@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
>
>
>Looking for friend Liang Yung Chii
>
>*******************PRIVATE******************************
>
>Hi Liang Yung Chii,
>
>Have a nice day, mate.
>
>How about your work on power semiconductor devices?
>Every thing O.K.?
>
>Have you memerized the following equation yet?
>
>        rot H = J + par(D)/par(t)
>        rot E = - par(B)/par(t)
>        div D = charge density
>        div B = 0
>
>This is a joke, not a flame, not even a discussion.
>
>***********************************************************


Hey I know where you get those stuff from. Don't pretend
that you don't know where he is. Since it is private  and
you can finger him why don't you settle any grievances
or gripes by emailing him!!!







Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ymj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yuan M Jiang)
Subject: Hand NBC an 8-year jail sentence
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:11:42 GMT

Great, Beijing Daily has finally followed IFCSS' call.

Beijing Daily has convicted NBC for rumor muggling.
NBC should have not forgotten that Xiao1 Bin1 was
sentence for an 8 year in jail for spreading
rumors in the summer of 1989.  Yes, put NBC in the reform through
labor camp and force it to produce US-bound export goods.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Beijing Daily Rips U.S. Media's Olympic Coverage .................... 42
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
~From: A CND Reader
Source: UPI 8/26/92

[UPI 8/26/92] BEIJING -- An official Chinese newspaper assailed the U.S.
media Wednesday for "slanderous" coverage of Chinese athletes during the
Barcelona Olympics.

The state-run Beijing Daily accused U.S. journalists of spreading "rumors"
that Chinese athletes used performance-enhancing drugs, allowing China to
win events previously dominated by Americans.

"American journalists, harboring evil intentions, spread the slanderous
rumors that Zhuang Yong used stimulants," said an article by a commentator


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.182523.1319@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <BtKLp3.Fr6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>> >cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>> >> ...
>> > I am too old to feel flattered for that.
>> > ...
>> >I do plan to go back to China, and believe it is a good choice for me,  
>myself
>> >too. It was carfully thought dicision, not only on personal basis, also on
>
>
>In my opinion, Xiong, you don't have to pay too much attention to this kind of  
>people. I guess every society has some people who are not satisfied with  
>anything. China certainly has too.
>
>Before they came out, they complained a lot about the CCP and CG because they  
>were not satisfied. They thought the US would satisfy them. Now they are in the  
>US and found that US is far from satisfactory. What can they do? Nothing but  
>talking about going back and dreaming of theirs glorious past, and even the  
>oppresing CCP becomes a loving party to them. I don't know if they will really  
>go back, or just moan around. But one thing seems certain, if they go back,  
>they will complain about CCP again. Then they will probably think of leaving  
>China and going to the Moon.
I at least do not fuck my motherland for personal gains.
>
>Carl
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP's new leniency.
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:30:59 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Sep1.134553.27031@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.014713.16275@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>
>>If you are a US citizen or PR, usually you can trust CCP. But if you are
>>a Chinese citizen, especially living in China, I bet you won't.
>>
>>Tingli Pan
>
>Wrong. As long as you hold a Chinese passport, you're a Chinese citizen.
>
>Z. Liu

Well, you are right. PR is still a Chinese citizen, but they are near
the brink to trust CCP.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: un023331@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Priority Date for Green Card
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:58:07 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


	Did anybody go to INS interview for Green card lately? I wonder what the priority date is. I 
heard some people said it is June 1990, some others said it was current. I am
going to one next month, I hope to get some information before I go.

	Thanks!!!

			
                       				D. Tong
PS: you can send e-mail to: IE_XIA@a.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: SCC wins the contest: use of Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:33:00 GMT

Very interesting statics, which reminds me of the gold medal lists in the
Olympics. But this time China is in the first place.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china