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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:57:00 CDT
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Induction (was Mensa)

: Now here is an interesting topic. I don't agree that this is a good way
: of learning mathematical induction. In my experience, very many students
: who are introduced to proofs by induction through such formulas acquire
: no understanding of mathematical induction at all. Instead they go through
: life believing that mathematical induction is a matter of finding a
: "formula" and applying algebraic manipulations to it.

I don't disagree, Torkel.  Induction looks like "magic" unless the
students understand that it really isn't "induction" at all; just
iterated deduction in which you show that once you're on the first
rung of the ladder (basic step) you can then climb the ladder
(induction step), which makes it look less magical.

Is there anything you could add to that?

The formula is a good simple example for producing the basic step
and the induction step, which is what I had in mind, but did not
phrase accurately, when I made that earlier statement.

(And I had forgotten yours was the parody proof)

Steve Karlson

Chess may be silly, but you're free to delete the game posts
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:26:05 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      FAtNQ

Greetings,

Just wanted to bring to your notice that "Frequently Asked-to-Natalie
Questions" did not evoke a Frequently Asked-by-Natalie Question.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:37:08 -0500
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (61)
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1992, tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

> >Mabon is the name given by Wiccans to the holiday celebrated on the autumn
> >equinox.  The standard explanation for the name is that it is from the
> >Welsh for "son." (Any Welsh-speakers who can confirm that?)
>
> Then what was it doing in the thread on male bondage? I thought "mabon"
> was a short form.

It could well be.  But I don't think that's what Evelyn meant when she
wished everyone a Happy Mabon.  :)

Aren't cross-language homonyms fascinating?

> tushar

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ((Agnes Kruchio))
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Subject: Re: Gleanings (62)
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:29:54 GMT
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              the rain" at Oct 5, 92 9:07 pm

>
> 	What does that 99 and 44 one-hundredths *really* signify?
>
> 	Clue:  it has nothing to do with purity.

	But has something to do with air, no?
>
>
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> neal    traven@pittvms                  Bitnet          412-624-0097 (office)
>         traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu         Internet        412-624-0110 (fax)
>                     "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."
>                                           -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher
>
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:16:00 PDT
From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: borders

> Bookstore buffs will be interested in today's Wall Street Journal which inform
s
> us that K-Mart, owner of the Waldenbooks chain, is in negotiations to purchase
> the Borders chain.
>
> Marty

Another bookstore chain? Gee, I thought we had enough, what with B. Dalton,
Waldenbooks, Crown Books, and now Bookstar. I refuse to buy from them anyway,
and not only because their employees don't know the first thing about *books*.
It may look at first as though Bookstar has the world's greatest selection,
but I suggest returning a few months later, and you will see that there are
large gaps on the shelves because they will not continue to stock the titles
that don't sell fast. Small, independent bookstores, like Dutton's, Midnight
Special, Big & Tall, etc., with knowledgeable staff people are the only way
to go.

Emily, bookstore snob.
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: explanation, please
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:53:49 GMT

As I have the unutterable luxury of *two* accounts for the moment, I revel
in telnetting from one to the other to check mail, read news, etc.  

I have noticed that the newsreader programs rn and nn behave differently
when I invoke them, depending on whether I dialed in (directly, as now, or
through PCpursuit) or telenetted.  Little weird details, like stripping out
the From: <text> or the Subject: <text> -- always consistent within a
circumstance, but seemingly arbitrary.   Or I'll get half a screenful to
"start with" per posting, one way, and a full screenworth the other way.  
If I have telnetted to casbah and issue the "mail" command to nn, including
the current news item brings no headers with it, while the same command in
nn when I have dialed straight in gets me the full id.

Does anyone have a clue as to what's going on?  

--bayla
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:55:00 GMT
From:         STEC8033@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      Re: i may have been sleeping
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_In Search of Anti-Semitism_ is adapted from a special issue of National
Review, sometime last spring.
                       Bill Sjostrom
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:05:14 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (62)
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              5, 92 4:27 pm

I'll just answer mine:
> 12) Orson Swindle (Agnes)

Canadians watch the American presidential elections fairly closely,
since it will affect us quite profoundly; some political/news junkies
like me watch it more than others..

Orson Swindle is the spokesperson for Ross Perot; his name <swindle>
suggests what many people think Perot's whole campaign is, a dishonest,
mischievious hoax with - possibly - malicious intent, but definitely
with negative outcomes...

Others, like me, are shocked what the widespread support for Perot
indicates about the gullibility, wilful blindness and/or
disenchantment of the American electorate. Although I am delighted that
something is finally shaking up the hitherto sluggish presidential
election campaign and hoping that Perot, if nothing else, will get the
two main candidates to get into "the issues", I am also fearful that
this is the beginning of a trend towards choosing strong "leaders" and
that we may yet see "Big Brother" in the White House sooner than even the
pessimists suggested...

Agnes
who, though writes from a Canadian perspective, fears that we are
seeing the future - as the US goes, so, eventually does Canada (we
have to "harmonize" since Free Trade, y'all...)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:36:00 PST
From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: List Personae (was Re: Mama Judith)

>OK, let me just say right now that phrases like "civilized conversation"
>don't even bloody amuse me too much nowadays.
>
>tushar

Ah. I've always wondered what our collective purpose on this list is.  It is to
amuse Tushar.  I can die happy.

Chris
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Storytellers
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:11:47 GMT
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In a previous article, kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ("") says:

>>
>>  I am off tomorrow for the National Storytelling Festival in
>> Jonesborough, Tenn. . Are any other wordslers planning to be
>> there ?
>>                                                   Br Paul
>>
>Can we get a report?

More to the point, can we avoid one?  Since the answer to that is an obvious,
resounding "No!", you'd better tell us WHTYATNSTF, Br Paul.  If you don't
we'll sick Tushie on you.
[and you'll be sick of him by the time he's through!]


-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:55:37 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Speaking of Net Stuff
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Can some of you net gurus out there tell me why I get at least five or
six a day of the following messages re Tushar's system?  This has been
going on for ages now -- as in many weeks.

> Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:12:40 -0400
> From: Revised List Processor (1.7d) <LISTSERV@uga.cc.uga.edu>
> Subject:      WORDS-L: error report from UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU
> To: Jeff Kell <JEFF%UTCVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>, MAYNOR@RA.MSSTATE.EDU
>
>The enclosed mail file, found in the WORDS-L reader and shown under the spoolid
>6188  in the  console log,  has been  identified as  a possible  delivery error
>notice for the following reason: mail subject indicates a delivery problem.
>
> ------------------------- Message in error (37 lines)
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> Date:    Fri, 02 Oct 92 05:28 CST
> From:    Postman@UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU
> Subject: Undelivered mail
>
> Your mail was not delivered to some or all of its
> intended recipients for the following reason(s):
>
> 1303 invalid syntax near line: X-To: PO%"words-l@uga"
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Received: (from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU for <WORDS-L@UGA.BITNET> via BSMTP)
> Received: (from MAILER@UGA for MAILER@UCHIMVS1 via NJE)
>  (UCLA/Mail V1.500 M-WORDS-L-4199-43); Fri, 02 Oct 92 05:28:21 CST
> Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 5014; Fri, 02 Oct 92 04:46:17 EDT
> Received: from UGA.BITNET by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.7d) with NJE
 id
>           4745 for WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:46:14 -0400
> Received: from UGA by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) with BSMTP id 5007;
>           Fri, 02 Oct 92 04:46:11 EDT
> Received: from iugate.ucs.indiana.edu by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
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>           TCP; Fri, 02 Oct 92 04:46:07 EDT
> Received: from PRISM.DECnet by PO1.Indiana.EDU; id AA29729 (5.65c+jsm/2.5jsm);
>           Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:46:06 -0500
> Message-ID:   <WORDS-L%92100204461399@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
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> Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:47:09 EST
> From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
> Subject:      Fakery
> To:           Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
>
> QUIT
>
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Original-From: mhwpa!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:56:00 EDT
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject: Re: loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>ndh,
>
>  Who do you think will be protecting you and your country in years to come?
>People from VMI, future military officers and damn good ones at that!
>
>                                Country

Sieg Heil, schmuck.  Happy Yom Kippur.

KTW
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:25:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Rested Now
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> Quit this nonsense and start posting.
>
> Or maybe just a little bit more restraint in the number of letters
> you post wouldn't be all that bad ...
>
> tushar

I have imposed a <quota> on myself.  Tell me if I exceed it, please.
--ggs
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:08:33 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Take me out to the Phonolog
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992, Bernard Chien Perro wrote:
> >     o/.\____/ >          -- Bernard      \______|
> > >                          / \  / \
> >
>
> But what I really want to know is why you did this weird thing to my
> body??
>                         o/.\____/
>          -- Bernard      \______|
>                          / \  / \
Oh, dear...I didn't do it on purpose...I'm sorry.  It's just the result of an
evening spent with adolescents after a *day* spent with adolescents...I'll
be more careful another time.
ndh (who really *loves* beagles, especially Bernard)
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Subject: more Santa explanation
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:38:00 GMT
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Messages are coming in in an alarming scramble.  I knew Rita L. got married
before she posted the message. Tushar and Anne are having it out over Santa and
I'm feeling like the holodeck has gone crazy.

To begin with, as I stated before, I thought most everyone knew I was the
poster of the bogus messages.  Especially you, Anne Harwell. We even talked
about it briefly on the phone when you called one night.

So, why the gripy message.  Because I was mad at giggles stupid game and I was
madder at myself for being mad. I have one year left of my twenties and it's
kind of depressing. I don't normally make a big deal of my birthdays, but this
one got to me and culminated after a couple of days (actually, almost a week)
in the latest North Pole missive.

I figured I'd enhance Santa. He hadn't posted in a while and having him post
from usenet seemed like a good idea because... well, we all know about them
usenet people. (I really can't believe Frank Peters' name came up as a possible
candidate. That one threw me for a second.)

Gotta run, but maybe I'll finish this later.

Chris
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ((Natalie Maynor))
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Subject: Re: Natalie's Boring Life
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:40:15 GMT
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> Though he is having trouble seeing in the dark, -ggs
> has just reported that his previous note was in eror,
> that it was not N or Bernard, it was *sombody* that
> he wont name but just say it was the same sombody that
> got N's vote in the same category.  So time about is fair
> play, right?  So just cool you jetts, you sanctimonious

Sorry, giggles, but guess who kept a copy of her answers. :-)

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 19:27:48 CDT
From: maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor)
To: n567126@ncsuadm.acs.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re:  Wordsler Family Feud

>> 28) has the most boring life?

> Nobody on WORDS-L has a boring life.

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:13:21 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Golden Words For Tomorrow
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On Sun, 4 Oct 1992, Golden Words Inc wrote:

> .
> _I've been adapted dozens of times._
> .
> ----abh, in the post "Re: Ovinglay Is-hay Eeahtamay"
> July 31, 1992 in the days when the truth was told.

I don't remember exactly what this was in response to, but I do recall it
was another time when I was <pissed off>. I believe I was fighting the
post-clambake niceness and love-feast with some dour notes.

-abh
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Subject: Re: still a loser
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Greetings,

I agree with Torkel.  Today we purge the VMIers, tomorrow the liberals,
the day after that the linguistically incorrect...

Marty
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:43:24 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      re: Tushar's Test

> I have to admit I came |<--this-->| far away from nominating Natalie as
> the person who talks about their spouse the most...

You really shouldn't say such things, however clever they are. Actually,
I too had come very near to saying something like this a while ago.

The topic is now closed.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:24:17 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Frequently Asked-to-Natalie Questions

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:22:00 EST <CROSEN@BGSUOPIE> said:
>I feel the need.
>
>Marty

  I too feel the need for a FAtNQ list about The English Language.
  For instance, I have often wondered, "Is there anything wrong with
  language change?"

  brad
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Hoooookay, Neal...  I DID say "Anybody"...  I don't want a duet between
Micky Mantle and Teresa Brewer either.  Back it goes.

John "Gee, ya try ta be nice..." W.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:35:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greetings, Torkel,

Yes, I was chagrined to find out all this time I'd been imagining it was
okay to stand right by a howitzer and had I done so I might have injured
my typing fingers.  The net, as always, is a font of useful information!!!

Marty
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From:         "(Graham Toal)" <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Scanners
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The price of high-end scanners is coming *way* down - or rather
there's a new upper-middle range that wasn't there before.  We've
just bought a 30 bit colour 800dpi for something ridiculously cheap
like 2 or 3K.  (ridiculously cheap compared to 10 - 20K a year
or two ago...)

G
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:43:13 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: list life
              29 Sep 1992 08:36:38 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:36:38 MST Dan Lester said:
>This is converted to Listserv terms from Fidonet terms....but seems to
>cover various recent hassles....
>
>The Three Rules of List Life
>
>1. Thou shall not be excessively annoying.

I try not to be, and, if I am, I apologize.

>2. Thou shall not be too easily annoyed.

Ditto.

>3. If you don't like these rules, start your own list.

That might be fun, but no.  I don't have the space or time.

>
>dan

Evelyn
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:56:00 PST
From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Tushar's Test

>>think that abh is the most confused of the lot. When I picture her writing
>>solemnly to Chris ... Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!
>
>Tushar, my dear boy, how I choose to write to the Lob is intensely personal
>and I'll thank you to keep out of it.
>
>-abh

Oh, I don't know, Anne. I don't really mind people knowing.  Tush, there's
really nothing solemn in the way Anne and I correspond. It's all exciting,
fun-filled, sometimes sweaty, sometimes sweet but never solemn. Corresponding
should never be solemn or serious.  It's a way for two people to express their
feelings for each other.

In fact, I think I'll take that opportunity now.

Tushar, you're a dink. ;-)

Chris

I hope you're reading a lot of humor in this, ts, because that's how it's
intended.  No swearing in response, no elephant, Virup. or elf letters.  Just
laugh.

I can't believe you're getting all worked up over this Santa thing.  Of course
it's me. I admitted it on the list at one point a year or so ago when someone
else was given credit for first sc letter.  The ho f***ing ho letter.  Being a
new bitnet user, I had no idea that anyone couldn't figure it out.  When I sent
the same message to myself as a test, it had chriss@cwu all over the header.  I
assumed everyone saw it.  It wasn't until after reading the responses that I
knew it wasn't evident at all that I posted it. I could post fake messages.
Yay.  It's much harder with Bitnet than Internet, but still doable.

And the aelfchen letters.  Sheesh, I wasn't trying to emulate anyone except my
cat Aelfchen.  Least of all Anne or giggles. And as far as the first Santa
letter this time around, I don't think I was trying to write as anyone but
myself, considering how I thought most of the "oldbies" knew it was me who
posted the first one a while back.

But, it was mildly amusing watching you get het up over the whole thing.  And
Ernie is a real person who did subscribe to the list and was accused of being a
12-year old or something.  He got a kick out of that.  He almost made it to the
Seattle PCS.

So, there.  Take a bow and get on with something new.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:23:09 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: WFF: Some final observations

//anne//:

>   >the virtual earth-mother:  //anne//
>
>   You know, if you think about it, it ... makes total sense ... wonder who
>   thought of this nicest vote of all. I strongly feel that //anne// should
>   not be offended by this one.
>
>
>I am actually nicely pleased...I take it as a compliment.

Well, kick me for thinking it could possibly be otherwise. You deserve the
compliment, okay?

tushar
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