From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.035250.14348@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <SHAW.92Aug14222100@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu
>(Andy Shaw) writes:
>>...
>>Even in foreign countries, white foreigners are often treated very well,
>>because they are automatically assumed to have some sort of power, whether
>>it is economic, diplomatic, military, or just some magical power emanating
>>from their skin that causes them to be some sort of super-human.  Mike
>>Fester whines about being white in Japan: although there are quite a few
>>annoying things that whites will experience in Japan that they won't
>>experience in the US, I would _definitely_ not say that being white in
>>Japan is even _close_ to being the same as being Asian in the US.
>>...
>
>Usually, Mr. Shaw spouts a lot of Chinese-cu cultural sh*t.

Ah, a match made in, er, well, a match. DJ and AS.

>But this particular paragraph is not.  The Japanese view European-Americans
>and Europeans far better than they view non-Japanese Orientals.  I fault
>the Japanese for this prejudice, but I understand some of their biases
>against the Chinese-cu, who are essentially savage baboons.
>
>Mr. Fester (fester@island.com) is lying and manipulating the true 
>picture of Japan to portray himself as the European-American analog
>of an Asian-American.  He wants to show that he has "suffered" in

Hmm. I HAVE stated that I have been on the receiving end of racism. Harldy the
same thing. And "lying and manipulating"? Again, no.

>Japan.  To that, I say, "Try again, Sam."

The name is Mike.

>Mr. Shaw is quite right to say that the Japanese are "thrilled" to
>see white foreigners.  To the Japanese, a Frenchman can speak

While the Japanese are rather polite, assuredly, there are many who do not
like whites, and some who are not at all shy about saying so.

>English far better than any Thai-ge born in the USA.  Why?  The
>Frenchman is white; he "must" English.  Even in the commercials
>on Japanese TV, when there are foreigners used to advertise 
>products, they are usually white.
>
>(I'm not whining.  I'm just pointing out that Mr. Fester is lying
>when he says that he's "suffered" to the same degree as certain other
>people.)

Actually, you are picking yor own words and then arguing against them. Nothing
in my post was said about "suffering". And nothing about "degree". Therefore,
it is not a lie.

>The standard of beautiful skin among Japanese, especially women, is white skin.

The standard was in place well before the Japanese had any contact with the
West, however.

>It is a rude thing to say to a Japanese lady, "Your skin is darker

Not is the girl in question hangs out at the beach, as is becoming more
popular. (As are trips to Hawaii, Guam, Okinawa, etc).

>than hers."  Of course, most Japanese men don't want to marry
>non-Japanese Orientals.  If they can't marry Japanese, they'd rather
>marry white.

This is not, however, borne out by the current marraige statistics; recently
NHK reported that Fillipino women were the most common foreign marriage 
partner for Japanese, followed by Korean, Chinese, and American women (4th).

>What I've said is neither a joke nor an exaggeration.  I really

Nor is it correct.

>do understand how Korean-Japanese feel.  They are Koreans
>_with_ Japanese citizenship.  (But most Koreans in Japan don't
>want Japanese citizenship but bitch anyways.)  In the eyes of the
>Japanese, they can never be as "good" as the "real" Japanese-ge or
>Europeans-ge.

>>More than 80% of white people in Japan can't speak a decent sentence of
>>Japanese.  Whites in Japan often act like boors, and expect everyone to
>>speak English for them and wait on them hand and foot.  The biggest "white
>>ghetto" in Japan is Roppongi in Tokyo, which is one of the most expensive

As mentioned before, Roppongi is not a residential area.

>>areas in Japan, and probably the hippest as well.
>>...
>
>Mr. Shaw should have seen that buffoon at the Hard Rock Cafe, basically
>octopus-ing this Japanese lady.  It was quite a sight.

It is difficult to see how this applies to anyone's prejudice but your own,
Mr Joe.

Mike
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