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From: colette@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Colette Goodyear)
Subject: Re: Birthday bumps
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:27:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.002041.17665@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>When I was growing up in Dublin, we had a rather ugly custom of
>giving somebody the "bumps" on their birthday.  You get three
>or four people (or more if the victim is particularly heavy or
>unwilling) to grap the celebrant's arms and legs, heave him
>into the air, and then bump his backside into the floor. 
>Repeat once for each year and once for luck.
>
>Does this happen anywhere else?  I'm not even sure if it
>happens elsewhere in Ireland.
>
Happens in Newfoundland too with the same way of doing it as well (one
for each year and one for good luck--that one was usually a bit
harder than the others).  And according to my 14-year-old niece,
it's still being done.

It's kind of embarrasing if you're wearing a dress. (And
it happens at your birthday party and there are _boys_ there.)
(According to my niece again of course.)

I've also noticed lately, that they've taken to doing it at weddings.
The groomsmen take the groom, give a few token bumps and then carry him
off to the waiting car.  The bridesmaids sometimes give the bride
a bump or two as well before carrying her off to the car. I've
never heard of that before.

Cheers
Colette Goodyear
St. John's, NF

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From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Subject: Recommendations for Celtic Music...?
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:01:38 GMT

  I'd like to get some recommendations for Celtic music, preferably Celtic
music that might be found here in the U.S.  Thanks a lot in advance!

							rusty
  
Rusty Soots -- North Carolina State University -- Science Education and
Microbiology -- Grad. Date 5/93...yeah!!!!!!!!!
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:03:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair)
>In article <1992Sep3.114700.7703@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew >Huntbach) writes:
>>From: vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson)
>>>I posted the long message a couple back about our organization as, if one
>>>looks back far enough, all Celts are of Teutonic lineage.
>>
>>Absolute nonsense. The Teutonic langauges are one branch of
>>Indo-European, the Celtic another, but they are no closer
>>related than any other two branches of Indo-European. In fact
>>the Celtic languages are rather more closely related to the
>>Romance languages than they are to the Teutonic languages.
>
>        I have been lead to believe that the celts of Ireland
>        were Iberian Celts. Is this Latin? Also I have read
>        that the Celts were nomadic and roamed through out
>       europe and were not a pure racial group but likely
>        a mixture. Would a historian without so obvious
>        a slant present facts and not an emotional out
>        pouring. We of this group are willing to hear
>        facts thats why we read the group.
>       Wasn't early europe a conclomeration of tribal
>        peoples from a number of areas likely enter
>        mixing and shareing many ideas.

My facts about linguistics can be checked in any book about
comparative linguistics. As for your point on Iberian Celts,
there is an extremely speculative theory which suggests that
the Irish Celts may have arrived that way rather than through
Britain, but this would have been before Spain became
Latinised.

You are correct that the Celts were a nomadic group. They
originated in Eastern Europe and moved westward. We know this
through cultural artefacts discovered by archeologists, but we
know little about their language as it was spoken during this
period since by the time it became written it was already
confined to the western fringes of Europe. We do know, as Roman
records record it, that Celts lived in northern Italy during
the time of the rise of Rome, and at one time sacked Rome.
There is absolutely no historical or archeological evidence
however which suggests a close linkage between Celtic and
Teutonic groups. Check any book on early European history.

What I find interesting is why so many current-day fantasies
should be centred on the Celts rather than any other European
tribal group. This is not emotionalism, simply a concern for
historical accuracy which I think is being damaged by otehr
people's emotional attachment to celticry.

Matthew Huntbach
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From: Susan Klimowicz
Subject: Info on the name COUHIG
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:48:33 GMT

I had posted this here before but I don't think it went out.

I am trying to find out any information on the last name COUHIG.  I was told
that it was celtic or gaelic for the number five but I have not been able to
confirm this.  The name was also suppose to originate from Cork, Ireland.  

If anyone has any info would you please post it in this news group?

Thanks 
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Keywords: Celts, Kilts, Assembly of kilt, Scots, Looms
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:39:38 GMT

In article <Btq7wF.60F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>In article <41857@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>>>in rec.org.sca, (Rosa Michaelson) said:

>|At 10 quid a metre I'll be off down there as soon as poss!
>
>If you do go, please post! Otherwise the rest of us will

What I meant to say was that "the rest of us will die of suspense!"







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From: pjn@phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Philip J. Naylor.)
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Organization: King's College London
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:07:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug17.102539.10841@ctr.columbia.edu>, pjn@phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Philip J. Naylor.) writes:
|> The full details of Aidan Meehan's "Celtic Design" series are :
|> 
|> 	1-  A Beginner's Manual  (ISBN 0-500-27629-3)
|> 	2-  Knotwork - The Secret Method of the Scribes  (ISBN 0-500-27630-7)
|> 	3-  Animal Patterns  (ISBN 0-500-27662-5)
|> 	4-  Illuminated Letters  (ISBN unknown - it has only just been published)
                                       ^^^^^^^^0-500-27685-4
                                                              I just got it
|> 
|> All are published by :	Thames & Hudson,
|> 				30 Bloomsbury Street,
|> 				London,
|> 				WC1B 3QP,
|> 				England.
|> 
|> Over here they sell for #5.95 each (say $12).
|> 
|> They all contain (black & white) drawings of many traditional and new designs,
|> together with all the techniques necessary to construct your own.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
-- 
| Philip J. Naylor      |  " 'The time has come', the Walrus said, 'to talk   |
| King's College London |   of many things: of shoes -and ships -and sealing  |
|                       |   wax, of cabbages -and King's.' "                  |
| pjn@phsun.ph.kcl.ac.uk|                     -Lewis Carroll (well, almost).  |
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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: free lionfood! (was: Celtic Cross)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:32:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: burrhus.1992Sep2.163252.28260
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <Z2sgqB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> vlaad@brewich.hou.tx.us (Vlaad Thunarsson) writes:
>I scared someone half out of their wits who viewed my Thor's Hammer as an 
>inverted crucifix... (but I didn't argue)

	My sister gets that all the time from people, since she has one of
those Icelandic Thors Hammers.  "Is that an upside down _cross_?" they say
aghast.  "No," she says patiently, "It's a Thor's Hammer."

	I myself, ain't got nothing against Christians.  I've met a lot
more good sensible Christians than anything else in my life - it's just
that the shitty ones make more noise.  Jerks are jerks whether they're
Christian or not and I'm sure you've all met both kinds.
	Heck you all know this, I'll stop babbling now.

Cheers,
Carl

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From: pindor@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor)
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.220526.9695@noao.edu>, muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes...
>Well, I am sure you could use mathematical terms in a funny way without
>reference to rape. Rape is never funny or cute!

There are many jokes about someone being killed, do the upset you so much 
too? Why would the jokes about rape be any worse?

Not that I am condoning taking violence (of any kind) lightly, but isn't life
just one big joke?

Andrzej Pindor
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Birthday bumps
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:27:27 GMT

--

|>>In article <1992Aug26.002041.17665@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
|>>>When I was growing up in Dublin, we had a rather ugly custom of
|>>>giving somebody the "bumps" on their birthday.
|>>>Does this happen anywhere else? 

Yah also in Limerick, another variation apart from dropping someone was for
people to take turns to kick the recepient as he was thrown in the air.

A friend of mine hates to see it happen now as he knew somebody that ended up paralysed after getting bumps during his wedding reception.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: downey@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: FYI - Politics in NI
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:12:52 GMT
Organization: NIST


This past weekend, a show titled "Politics in Northern Ireland"
was aired on C-SPAN (a cable channel).  Did anyone else see it?
I thought it was very informative, but then I'm an outsider
looking in.  The show attempted to provide different perspectives.
Reporters tagged along with the RUC, spoke with Catholic and
Protestant activists, and spoke with a rep of the SDLP and a
member of Sinn Fein (sp?).  The British government's perspective
(outside of its reps in NI) was conspicuously absent.  I'm not
sure if this was the producer's inention or whether the "Home
Office" chose not to be included in the show.  The show was
2-3 hours long -- the longest show I've ever seen devoted to
the troubles and problems in NI.

As an aside, it was very intersting to the see the number of
murals painted by both sides.  One in particular caught my eye.
It was done by a Republican and depicted a Celtic warrior (a
famous one I think, but unfortunately I've forgotten the name).
How important are Celtic symbols in NI?  Is Irish spoken or
taught much in NI?  These are just a few questions that popped
into my head while I was watching the show.

Laura Downey
downey@enh.nist.gov
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:53:47 GMT

--
In article <182ckfINNnis@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:

|>In article <31AUG92.10125231@enh.nist.gov>, downey@enh.nist.gov writes:
|>
|>	> How important are Celtic symbols in NI?  Is Irish spoken or
|>	> taught much in NI?  These are just a few questions that popped
|>	> into my head while I was watching the show.
|>	> 
|>	> Laura Downey
|>	> downey@enh.nist.gov
|>

|>I doubt if there are any people in NI who speak only Irish, and few who
|>speak it fluently. When I worked in Belfast those of my colleagues who
|>had been educated in Catholic schools could remember Irish in the same way
|>that the rest of us could remember French, a few fragments of learnt-by-rote
|>verbs, but that was about all.

On this island Irish is regularly used in parts of Donegal, Galway, Kerry and
Waterford (don't think there are anymore places).  In these areas - called
Gaeltachts (sp?) you will hear it in the street etc.  The vast majority of the
people on the island have English as a first language.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:05:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.214334.5602@news.acns.nwu.edu> fred@iapetus.earth.nwu.edu (Fred Marton) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.185715.5040@noao.edu> muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
>>
>>I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
>>genders would have been reversed!
>>
>>Beatrice
>
>sure, why not?  it's known as having a sense of humor.
>
>fred
>
Well, I am sure you could use mathematical terms in a funny way without
reference to rape. Rape is never funny or cute!

Beatrice
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: close
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:16:40 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.221940.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>> I saw an add for a series of three books by Robert Klee... a "green flag" 
>> series... I wonder if anyone has read it and what he/she might think of 
>> it...

> Could you post any info you find on this? I've been trying to find a source
>for the Ireland series that was narrated by Klee on PBS (I assume it was a
>BBC production originally) and also a copy of the book "Green Flag" - I have
>not been able to find either....

I think this should be Robert Kee - not Klee.

The TV series was called "A History of Ireland". If you're referring to the
book of the series, it was called, surprise, 'A History of Ireland'.

I have a copy but I got it from a book club many years ago. It was published
in association with the BBC. Good book and series.

I don't know where you'll get it from but you could try writing to
BBC Publications.
Maybe giving the right name might sort it out though if the book stores are
doing a search by author name, worth a try.


Dave

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Scanable Celtic Artwork
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:34:30 GMT

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From: vaughn@zeus.cis.udel.edu (Chris Vaughn)
Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:15:42 GMT

Does anyone know if and when that program is going to be on C-Span again?
I caught the last 5 minutes of it, and I'd really like to see it.

Chris
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:22:36 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Sep3.163804.20859@octel.com>, by dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair):
> 
> 	I have been lead to believe that the celts of Ireland
> 	were Iberian Celts. Is this Latin?

I suspect so. I can't off hand think of a direct source (maybe Giraldus
Cambrensis is worth a look?) but Tacitus certainly thought the Welsh were related to the
Iberians - both groups were small and swarthy - so it clearly made
sense. Interestingly he seems to think that most celts were tall and
bonde so this may be a reference to Iberians as opposed to Celts in Iberia.
Classical geography tended to skew Ireland round to put it between
Britain and Spain so that would have helped too. There were of course
plenty of Celts lurking around in Spain in antiquity, plus Celtiberians
too, though I don't think anyone has suggested that either group
colonised Ireland. The nearest to this might be sporadic contacts with
Cornwall in search of tin, unless of course the Tin Islands were really
part of the NW coast of Spain as some Spanish scholars have suggested.  There *was* apparently
trade between Ireland and Spain in prehistoric times. Apart from the odd
artifact or two, the star evidence presented is the Kerry slug - green and black
I believe, which is found only in the NW of Spain and Ireland. Unless of
course you know different.

BTW The Odinist posting is the oddest thing that's popped up here for a
bit, are these people nice, harmless Odinists or, like many who profess this
creed, neo-Nazis in disguise - I think we ought to be told.

Christus Rex!

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Need help with pronunciation
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:10:58 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.002543.9993@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Clark) writes...
>In article <1992Sep2.072904.29989@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com
>(Craig Cockburn) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Sep1.214326.20796@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, daggs@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov
>(Clark) writes...
>>> 
>>>	Can anyone give me some guidance on Gaelic pronunciation? I am
>>>pretty much ignorant of it. Thanks
>>> 
>>Which Gaelic- Irish, Scottish or Manx?
>>Any particular region? eg. Donegal, Skye, etc 
>>
> 
>	Well, I'm an information junkie, but my most immediate interest
>is in Scots Gaelic, particularly the name "Doig".
> 
I've never thought of Doig as being a Gaelic name, although there is
an old Irish Gaelic word Do/ig, so there may be a link there. Nowadays,
the name is pronounced "Doyg" (one syllable)

>	Ultimately, I'd like to be not completely clueless about what
>a word like "Gha\idhlig" or "sibh" is supposed to sound like.
> 
Ga\idhlig = Gaa-lic
Gha\idhlig = about the same, but a 'harder' initial G
Sibh = 'sheev'

There quite a few tapes available, and correspondence courses if you're
interested in learning.

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From: ulick@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Troubles claim 3,000 victim in NI
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:49:41 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Aug28.101329.19533@rdg.dec.com> spain@galvia.enet.dec.com () writes:
>--
>
>The troubles in Northern Ireland claimed their 3,000th victim last night
>when a man was shot dead in a bus full of GAA players and supporters.  A
>Gaelic team and supporters were sitting on a bus when it was boarded by armed
>and masked gunman who shot the man and wounded 2 others.  The killing was
>part of an internal IPLO feud.
>
How do you know they weren`t soccer fans :-)  

>33% catholic civilians
>31% members of the security forces
>21% protestant civilians
>10% nationalist paramilitaries
>3%  loyalist paramilitaries
>2%  others

Seriously, though.  What is an 'other', and how do they separate the 
civilian from the paramilitary figures? 


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Subject: Re: FYI - Politics in NI
From: Henry Corcoran <CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 2 Sep 1992 13:25:52 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

If Irish language has disappeared to the extant you say,this is unfortunate.
Not just because of a romantic ideal, but any language is a fudamental part
of culture. It defines how one looks at the world and the way we think and
approach problems and life in general.

Personally, if I had the time I would like to learn Irish to read all the an-
cient poems and literature etc in the original language. I believe you have a
wealth of works going back 2000 years. Also I think a value in this is that we
can see that life and societies change with time. This includes our present
culture; it will someday change from what it is today. I find that refreshing.
We can't see the future, so to look to the past (some) isn't all that bad.
                                                       Henry Corcoran
                                                       Fargo, North Dakota
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Subject: Re: Civics test for Irish citizenship?? Is there one?
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:16:27 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Aug26.210225.22305@macc.wisc.edu>, oconnell@vms.macc.wisc.edu
(Kevin Patrick O'Connell) says:
[stuff deleted]
>Kevin
>
>PS--There was a brief query about Irish forms of names in Ireland.  I
>read somewhere that the Irish form of Kevin is "Coemgen" (sp?).  Is
>this correct?  How is it pronounced?
Caoimhi/n. Pronounced "Qweeveen"

Aengus
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