HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: READ THIS! New Castaneda group book!
Summary: n
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:53:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I read this book recently. (Sorcerer's Crossing, by Taisha Abelar)
I liked it a lot.  It goes into a great more detail about the 
techniques of recovering your energy that you have left in the past
than Castaneda ever did.  It also gives a greater connection between
don Juan's technique and philosophy, and those of Taoism and Buddhism.
I think its biggest significance, however, is that it presents a
woman's view of sorcery, and goes into depth on the issues important
to women, in a way that Carlos never does.  I recommend it.

			-Lorenzo

By the way, I didn't plunk the money down for the book myself, either.
I got it from the local public library. :-)
-- 

"Ask me a riddle, and I [should] reply,       Lorenzo Farris
`Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie'"     farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
                -Winnie the Pooh          
[bracketed addition mine]
From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Neewollah information!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 02:37:22 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: maico.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: Halloween!!!


For anyone who's confused, Neewollah is an annual celebration held in my
hometown of Independence, Kansas, around the time of Halloween.  It's a pretty
big event, and was started originally sometime in the twenties or thirties to
keep the kids out of trouble and give the adults a better reason to party!
Events include a carnival, street acts, TWO parades, food, and even a beauty
pagent!  (No, there aren't many pagan rituals, but it IS a lot of fun!)

If you want more information concerning the events and such, please e-mail me!

(Oh yeah, if you hadn't noticed yet, Neewollah is Halloween spelled backwards!
:)  :)  )

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 35, Temple - 14... a MUCH more satisfying win!  :)
"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
				-- "Frank's Chair" -- 2nu -- Ponderous
From: dunsmore7043@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Crowley?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:59:48 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

hello,

        I noticed the posts on the Crowley books, but I am looking for an
anonymous FTP sight with the same info.  Anyone know of such?

                                        dunsmore7043@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Dudy)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: A few hebrew words...
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:51:11 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke departement Math-Info

I have a few hebrew words drawn on a pentagram and I can't manage to
find their meanings so I guess there is someone here who can help me.

The first word is:     <Aleph><Zain><Mem>
The second:            <Pe><Cheth><Zain>

Of course this is as read from right to left.

Posts are welcome,

Thanx

C.


-- 
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| Becoming great in small things,                                       |
| one learns to become great in great things.                           |
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: RE: evil and dualism
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:21:01 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <mcnair.12.718378261@slab.unt.edu>, mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes...
>      I didn't say satan is the opposite of god, those are your words. Satan 
>simply didn't know his place on the hierarchy - the order/chaos continuum.
> 
>              Sean Jeffers Mc Nair

Maybe Satan is God on a bad day...  
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Cat.Magick, a Sekhmet Production
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:25:57 GMT

More, more!  I think its' magickal!
-- 
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta)
Subject: Re: Necessary Belief?
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:27:22 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10924]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <1992Oct1.163615.22393@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>its fine to be skeptical to a bount but beyond that u hinder yourself... But mainly 
> dont be surprised at your results ... power can backflash... just accept the results when they happen or dont happen  
> Steve  C.
>

When does your power backflash?  I've never had a problem with the power used
ever doing anything more than the purpose I gave it.  If you trust yourself
then your power should not backflash.  Of course, depending on what the intents
of your power were, someone else might decide that you should get *slapped*
for using it.

		-Enki 

--
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Cat.Magick, a Sekhmet Production
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <67018@cup.portal.com>, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes...
>BAST Theatre presents
> 
>Cat.Magick
> 
>Featuring your favorite virtual personalities.
>======================================================================
> 

Tagicat, I think you captured it perfectly.

>Does this have anything to do with magick?

Nope.

- Peggicat -
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The end of the world...
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:56:38 GMT
Organization: UB

jasonp@tiger1.prime.com (Jason Pascucci) writes:

>Greetings,

>I saw recently (I can't recall if it was here, or in a
>(gasp) real book or mag) an old bit of precognative poetry akin
>to Nostradamous(sp?) from someone I can't recall, which
>gave allusion to a number of current technological advances,
>and which gave a date of the end of the world, I think it
>was 91 or early 92...(i.e. it was passed by).

Well...The Alternative religion Student Association here at UB has it's hands
on a little pamphlet telling us that the raptue is to happen on October 28 at 
6:pm.  According to this booklet all the "good christians" will be sucked off 
the face of the earth (bodily at that) and the rest of us will have to live in
the reign of the antichrist wearing upc symbols on our heads (saying 666 of 
course.)
Granted this is the Fourth of Fifth annual rapture reported by this group...
but this one is the REAL one...don't you believe me :) :) :)

>The Book of the SubGenius states emphatically that
>the end of life as we know it will occur at 7:00 am
>on July 5, 1998. (Or kill me.)

Come to think of it if the Rapture is next month wouldn't that put the end of 
the world some time around 1999?  Damn!  I'd better send my $20 to the CSG
so I can hop on one of them space ships before the end.

>My personal theory is that it's sometime around
>mid 1997. (93 years from the beginning of this aeon 
>according to Uncle Al, in 1904). I believe I also noted that
>93 years, and 418 days put me somewhere near the end
>of June, 1998, not in July. (It was a good guess at the
>time). 

Actually I think the human race is going to fizz out more than go with a 
bang...We don't deserve the dignity of a theatrical exit.  We'll probably 
discover that water causes cancer and all die off like that.

Idbil Fubar
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.cyberpunk
From: abraham@hydra.unm.edu (Abraham McCollough)
Subject: Re: Alt.magick a coven?  (was: Re: Cyber Ritual)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:31:09 GMT
Organization: psychohazard

In article <3q9navg@lynx.unm.edu> cipher@lacerta.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell) writes:
>Along these lines, I'd like to propose a alt.magick.con.  I think
>we've gotten big enough at last, and of course I'm dying to meet
>various folks.  
>
>So, what do you all say?  Proposals for a place?  Stupid idea?  What?
>
>                            Yours in solidarity (smirk),
>
>                            --Rev. J. B. Bell
>-- 
>"Before you shoot off your mouth, try placing your foot in it.  At least
>that way, you'll know _why_ you shot yourself in the foot."
>
>           --Lefty (lefty@apple.com)

Well, that would at least be quite interesting. . .  

As always,

Abraham
From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Flames
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:41:13 GMT
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs
In-reply-to: friday@netcom.com's message of 24 Sep 92 03:02:08 GMT

In article <h08nj2f.friday@netcom.com> friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
   Leo Smith writes:

   >So I say flame and be flamed. If a newsgroup gets to be a hotbed of
   >egos - resign and find an alternative forum.

   >Leo

   And I say, take your naive, juvenile attitude and stuff it in a dark
   place, then resign alt.magick and go to alt.flame!


   -- 
       - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
	 friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
	 (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)

   It's sort of ironic, that the anti-flame case is argued, here, by a
particularly weak, immature, uninformative flame. (To be really
consistent, Friday's message would have had to be polite and tenderly
protective of Leo's (pretty well armored) ego).
    -- David Durand
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jasonp@tiger1.prime.com (Jason Pascucci)
Subject: The end of the world...
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:22:52 GMT

Greetings,

I saw recently (I can't recall if it was here, or in a
(gasp) real book or mag) an old bit of precognative poetry akin
to Nostradamous(sp?) from someone I can't recall, which
gave allusion to a number of current technological advances,
and which gave a date of the end of the world, I think it
was 91 or early 92...(i.e. it was passed by).

I would be interested in hearing some predictions as
to the end of the earth, but I do *not* need justifications
of them. All I'm looking for is dates, really...anything
else which you may give is up to you. 

The Book of the SubGenius states emphatically that
the end of life as we know it will occur at 7:00 am
on July 5, 1998. (Or kill me.)

My personal theory is that it's sometime around
mid 1997. (93 years from the beginning of this aeon 
according to Uncle Al, in 1904). I believe I also noted that
93 years, and 418 days put me somewhere near the end
of June, 1998, not in July. (It was a good guess at the
time). 

Now, again, I would like to see no flames, no ridicule (if you feel
you must, email me), no comments on other people's
half-baked or unexplained ideas, just dates, and if you feel
the need to, a little explanation at how you got to it. Let's
see if we can manage that...

-Jason
-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Two dragons walked into a bar, and the third one ducked. 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: cipher@lacerta.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell)
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:24:32 GMT
Organization: Universal Life Church of Secular Humorism
Summary: Oooooh . .. .

In article <1992Sep30.225419.19462@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.102801.26616@gdr.bath.ac.uk>,
>mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>|>>In article <83950146@otter.hpl.hp.com> cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin
>Low) writes:
>|>
>|>Also, there's crop circles in the summer.  Anyone out there interested
>|>in Crop Circles?
>|>
>|>Chris
>             
>Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.
>
>Brian /-|-\

Oooooh!  I thought this was an invitation to go *make* some.  *That*
would be fun, don't you think?

You snicker that people worship your prank, but little do you realize
you were doing the gods' will . . . 

                           --Rev. J. B. Bell
-- 
"Before you shoot off your mouth, try placing your foot in it.  At least
that way, you'll know _why_ you shot yourself in the foot."

           --Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:30:23 GMT

scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
: 
: my point was that without the term good the term evil is unnecessary as well as 	with the term evil than good would not be needed ...
: 
:  it has to do with the law of opposites ... or Opposing Forces ...
: 
: u cant have one without the other .... 
: 
:   Steve C.

Certainly, you can. You just don't need names for them.

Bill
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:49:57 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Good vs. Evil.
Light vs. Dark.
Right Vs. Wrong.

Human beings invented the binary counting system far earlier than they
realize.  It is tempting to consider all these matters in terms of
Yes:No, but shades of grey exist, and we can't ignore them.

Consider this:  If the American revolution had gone poorly for the
colonists, and they lost, then history would portray the British as the
"good guys" and the colonist rebels as "bad guys".  After several
decades of rewritten history, the colonists would eventually be
considered worthless vagrant scum while the redcoats would be pictured
noble and loyal servants of his majesty Da King, just as we now see the
redcoats as blundering old fashioned idiots and the colonists as heroic
dashing young freedom fighters.

This is also an issue in Sumerian mythology.  If we believe those who
tell the stories on the clay tablets, the universe was created by those
who were "evil" (Tiamat the serpent, Kingu the merciless father of all,
etc. etc.).  Anyway, this was really awful until the "good guy" gods
came around and set everything else straight, creating the earth and
destroying the bad guys.  But reading the account of the battle, and
looking at how much back-stabbing, double dealing and betrayal was going
on among the "good guys", it makes you wonder if the "good guys" were
really good as far as the twentieth-century definition goes.

I personally have a big problem trying to polarize stuff like this. 
Whoever said that there were two sides to everything probably never saw
a triangle before.  Which is not to say you should not consider the
"sides" of an argument or issue, but restricting yourself to two sides
exclusively can backfire, causing you to miss something you otherwise
might not have considered.




Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Cyber Ritual
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:01:38 GMT

>... What would be unfortunate is to see alt.
>cyberpunk reduced to the overlong pretentious drivel that
>permeates alt.magick.
>
>Like Logan said, no offence...
>
>	-Mike


This guy is good.  Even I don't have the Chutzpah to
post "overlong pretentious drivel" and "no offense"
in the same virtual breath.

I'm not sure if it CP, but it's attitude, and I LIKE IT.

As to rather magic really has any place in CP, well thats
enother story. Lets just say that as far as I'm concerned
an Elf is
	a) A person with a good plastic surgeon
    or  b) A person with an even better genetic surgeon

Logan Ratner
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: gss@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Graeme S Sutherland)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:25:07 GMT
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Flames
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:48:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand) writes:
: In article <h08nj2f.friday@netcom.com> friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
: 
:    And I say, take your naive, juvenile attitude and stuff it in a dark
:    place, then resign alt.magick and go to alt.flame!
: 
: 
:    -- 
:        - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
: 	 friday@netcom.com                         and senseless beauty."
: 	 (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
: 
:    It's sort of ironic, that the anti-flame case is argued, here, by a
: particularly weak, immature, uninformative flame. (To be really
: consistent, Friday's message would have had to be polite and tenderly
: protective of Leo's (pretty well armored) ego).
:     -- David Durand
Actually what I thought made a nice contrast was the body of the
response and its .sig...

--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: 2nd Merlin Tarot Workshop
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:58:05 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.171847.5383@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
>> 

>He probably doesn't want to admit that some of his work
>is sloppy.  After all, he invented an entirely new tarot system
>with new numbering, and symbols, but with all the editing 
>problems of the lousy book there are important parts one cannot 
>possibly interpret.   
>

He does have a new book on the Merlin Tarot which just came out.
I don't have it but he claims that it covers a lot of material
missed in the first version (like the Minor Arcana).  You might
want to look for it.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: aura goggles
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:35:23 GMT


In article <8y8qbq75@csv.warwick.ac.uk> maupt@warwick.ac.uk (Maupt the 
Ninja...) writes:

>   how effective are aura goggles? can anyone use them without developing any
>   form of sight to detect auras?

are these anything like x-ray spex?

what the fuck are you talking about?

josh
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:18:44 -0400 
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Necro Bibliography
	<1992Sep25.154944.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

>I have no solid facts (sometimes I doubt there are any about the man
beyond the
>fact that he wrote some stories) but I have heard on separate occasions
that he
>was an atheist and a Catholic. I would take the latter with a large grain of
>salt...
> 
>--Semhaza

That last part about HPL being a catholic might have some credence.  In
the introduction to the big Lovecraft compilation "Tales of horror and
the Macabre" (or something like that can't remember the exact title
sorry), Robert Bloch, HPL's prodigy, writes about how August Derleth
perverted a lot of the HPL stuff.  According to Bloch, Derleth saw
Lovecraft's creations as a set of polar entities, with absolute evil
versus absolute good.

Derleth is generally considered the guy who screwed up a lot of the
mythos, and his input in the HPL saga is generally ignored.  But it does
make an interesting side note.

And now I have forgotten what in blazes this has to do with catholicism.
 Oh well.

One book I can recommend to get the straight facts on HPL is "Lovecraft
at Last" by J. Conover.  He was a teenager at the time HPL was writing,
and was able (somehow) to correspond, speak with, and publish HPL's
stuff in a tiny magazine.  It has a lot of the origins of some of the
entities HPL created, as well as a definitive "origin of the
Necronomicon" (yeah right)


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: dunsmore7043@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Still Lost...
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:57:41 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello all again,

        Thanks for ALL the responses, the good and the bad. I will give the
advice some thought.

        I do have one note in my defence to those that did flame me. I admit
that I wrote the post in a depressed state, so what I wrote was not as clear as
it could have been and that led to some miscomunication and misunderstanding. I
do think that some people on this group could be brought `..down a few
notches.' I might be a little arogent, but I try not to force it on others,
like some do. My opinions and Beliefs might not be for everyone or anyone, nor
might another's opinion or Beliefs be right for me.

        What I was hoping for was help to find teacher in the Arts, the
paranormal and the supernatural. I thought I'd try and get guidence rather than
jump into it on my own.

         Sorry to bother anyone with this....crap. 
                                        JD still Lost

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: wirta@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (john wirta)
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3220]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:27:30 GMT

In article <Aem8Oiq00WCXI0tFts@andrew.cmu.edu> Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>>(BTW Colin : will you know the anti-christ if he decides to
>>put in an appearance??)
>>
>>		-Enki
>>(Anyone who knows, knows where my name came from and what it >means :))
>
>Oh friend of mankind, he who warned us of the flood, he who protects us
>from the frivolous teachings of lesser gods, guide our way, mighty Ea.
>
> 
>Kendrick Kerwin Chua
>
>kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
>kendrick+@CMU.EDU
>
>Cthulhu for President, 1992!

Ahhh....so you do know.  Then don't underestimate it.  I didn't choose the
name out of arrogance.  And yes, I am a friend of mankind.  I don't
protect from the teachings of lesser gods.  I didn't warn anyone of anything
I only put right those things that I can before they go wrong.  And, who
knows, maybe I am guiding the way.

Take this with a grain of salt, because belief and skepticism are two sides
of the same coin....and both lead to foolishness.

			-Enki

--

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: robh@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Henderson)
Subject: Re: The end of the world...
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:35:01 GMT


I think that the world will end at 5:23 AM, October 19th of this
year, and be replaced by an identical one, except that the letter
J will no longer exist.

Seriously, so what if the world is going to end?  What are you
going to do about it?  Speculation on such things seems a waste
of time, when you could be trying to make the world we have a
better one, and if it ends tomorrow, hey, at least you tried.
-- 
RobH (or Rob Henderson, if you prefer)
robh@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us
Every one of us has a heaven inside.  (Kate Bush)
Not that I want to get political, but...  VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:39:10 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>(BTW Colin : will you know the anti-christ if he decides to
>put in an appearance??)
>
>		-Enki
>(Anyone who knows, knows where my name came from and what it >means :))

Oh friend of mankind, he who warned us of the flood, he who protects us
from the frivolous teachings of lesser gods, guide our way, mighty Ea.

 
Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!