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From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Miscarried
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon


I debated whether to post this or not but maybe it will help me feel better
if I do.  This morning at 4:30 am I miscarried.  I was only 8 weeks along and
had not seen the Dr. yet.  In fact, I made an appt to see the Dr. this past
Monday.  Tuesday morning I started spotting a little but was not too worried.
Yesterday, I started getting cramps and at 3:30 this morning the cramps were
so bad they woke me up.  At 4:30 I passed the fetus (or is it still the
embryo).  I put it in a glass of water and am taking it to the Dr.s at lunch
time today.  

This is my second miscarriage in 4 years.  Four years ago when I miscarried,
I never passed anything like this.  The Dr. said my body had probably absorbed
it when I had my first visit with him (but my hormones still indicated I was
pregnant).  Shortly after I saw him, I started bleeding and I bled heavily
for about 2 weeks.  

This time it is a lot different.  After I passed the fetus, the cramps have
subsided a lot and I am only bleeding a little.  But it is a lot harder
emotionally because I actually saw what was growing inside of me.  It looks
a lot like the pictures you see in pregnancy books.

I am beginning to think that Andrea (6.5 yo) is going to be our only child
(which is ok but we both want another child and Andrea wants to be a big
sister really bad). 

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
From: julier@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Julie Richardson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for someone
Keywords: Wedding was August 15, 1992
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:20:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


There was a woman who was prego after she had already planned
her wedding.  She had people coming from Europe and she had
planned to go on with the wedding.  I did some writing to her
but I miss placed the email address.  

If you are out there I would like to know how things went!!

My wedding was also August 15 and was wonderful.  

Please email me back.  Maybe we could exchange pictures!!

If anyone know anything about this person let me know.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.

Julie Sutherland
Redmond OR
Mom to Casey Krista and Weston
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AS.RAF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Rebecca Fenton)
Subject: Re: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:58:10 GMT

     Before I had my son (now 3yrs, 10mos) I thought that 3 was old
enough to stop showering with a child.  But Harley is almost 4 and
we're still showering together!  It seems very natural, him climbing
into the shower with my husband and myself early in the morning.

     He asks questions about our and his bodies all the time,
especially since I am pregnant, and we answer them truthfully.  He
is very excited about the fact that he has a little sister or
brother growing in Mommy's tummy.  This questioning also allows us
to easily educate him on his body (and he does ask "what's this &
what's that), and to further his education by letting him know that
no one else may touvh his body.

     I don't feel that this is a sexual training (God forbid!).  I
think that if a child is brought up to think of his or her body as
something natural then there should be no problem.  (BTW, I've never
heard him ask about a girls body, other than asking me about my
breasts - when I was dressed).


     Becky - very proud Mom of Harley

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:55:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.120547.19880@cbnews.cb.att.com> ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>
>Since when is it the government's business to ban those things that
>are not necessary???  

Since it formed the Consumer Protection Agency.  An agency which has done
such wonders as ban cotton sleepwear, put a small worm farming business into
bankruptcy (if you misuse their product you get a mild electric shock), etc.,
etc., etc.  

SOAPBOX ON:

Government isn't something you can let into your lives "a little".  Once in,
they take over, and you are no longer considered intelligent enough to make
your own choices.  I vote we keep them out.

SOAPBOX OFF:

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:24:25 GMT


I think I remember reading that Mia Farrow has 11 or 12 children,
most of them adopted.  In my opinion, it would be next to 
impossible for two parents to give a decent amount of attention
to 11 children.  Certainly the kids interact with their siblings
more than kids from small families do and they get attention
that way, but I think it's important for kids to have a lot of
one on one time with their parents (or 2 on 2-3 at least) where
their parents can truly focus on them, and that has to happen
less frequently in a very large family.
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Eczema patches
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:57:20 GMT
Organization: Mincom

In article <1992Sep1.184131.13956@cbnews.cb.att.com>, hovan@cbnews.cb.att.com (patricia.a.thomas) writes:
> We have a one year old son who has begun to have a patch of eczena on his cheek.
> Our pediatrician says it is common in fair-haired children and don't be too
> concerned.  He also has very bad hayfever and is being treated for that.
> She (our ped.) says the antihistimines he is taking will help relieve
> any itching he has.  In addition, I have been using a hydrocodisone cream.

We have had long bouts with eczema with our (fair) 2yo. He also has
hypersensitive airways (not quite asthma). 

1. Use cortisone creams (stronger for body than for face).
2. Every week or so we give him a bath in alpha-keri oil. That's probably
not what its called in the US. Its a water dispersible oil meant for the
bath. The idea is to keep his skin from getting dry.
3. NO SOAP. We use acqueous creme a.k.a sorbolene instead.
4. If its a dry windy day then we put moisturising cream on his face, other
   wise it ends up getting very dry and red.
5. Last year the eczema got very bad and the skin broke. It got infected.
Since then we put betadine surgical scrub into the bath to minimise
infections on his skin. I should be stopping soon! (Betadine surgical scrub
is an antibacterial agent mixed with some detergent I think. Betadine is a
common antibacterial here - you can buy it as drops and lotion and cream
etc). When things were really bad we alternated the betadine with Hibiclens
which has hexachlorophene(sp) in it.

The coughing and the skin get worse in dry weather.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: No morning sickness second time around
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:40:04 GMT
Organization: Mincom

In article <1992Sep1.204030.622@samba.oit.unc.edu>, cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) writes:
> Ok, call me crazy but I am worried that I don't have morning
> sickness with the second one.  ....  I do feel extremely tired this
> time which I did not have the first time.  I am probably
> the only person in the world to worry about not having
> morning sickness!!!!! 
> ......
> Cathryn W. Chiesa
> cew@med.unc.edu
-- 
Well I'm the same. About 6-8 weeks pregnant and I'm not sick! I can't
believe it. Last time I was throwing up from 3 weeks to 41 weeks and while
the baby was being delivered. Yes I'm tired and HUNGRY - but not sick - and
not worried! Sorry Catherine. Everyone always said - `Maybe next time it'll
be different', and it is!

After the hell of last time I swore I'd never do it again, but look at me
now! I can get up in the morning, dress and feed David, shower and dress
and get to daycare and work with nothing to eat. Last time: if I didn't
have tea and toast in bed I'd be vomiting before I got to the fridge! - and
even with brekker in bed I had to be driven to work because I got so dizzy
and faint.

Maybe its a girl! (Switch threads) Yes, I want a daughter. I love my son
but somehow for no good reason I want a daughter. I'm not after the `pigeon
pair' (what a revolting phrase) I just happen to have had a son. Two girls
would have been fine! Still, my husband, being one of two boys, considers
that two boys is the ideal and the only thing one should have. At least I
know now that I can love a son - last time I was so girl focussed I didn't
think I could love a him. 

Its all happening at once - moving cities (going home) and getting pregger
and trying to arrange a new job all at the same time! When we move I'll
have to build a house too.

I haven't told family yet, either. I'm so excited though, I have to tell
someone. Just the privacy of the net! BTW, Baby Graham Crawley is due mid
to late April!
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Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS)
Subject: Re: failure
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:39:49 GMT

I have not had any children yet so I can't speak form experience 
but, IMHO I don't think anyone should fell like a failure for 
taking pain medication or for having a c-section. After all look at 
all you have done that is to be commended. You looked after you self
and gave that baby a place to develop and grow, you give a baby your 
best qualities and your partners best qualities through your genes.
And as long as the baby is healthy and you are healthy what does it 
matter how or where for that matter the baby was born.
I'm not big on pain so when my time comes if I need an epidural or a 
c section I will go for it.
Just my two cents
Kathy

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:41:40

In article <180n82INN5ae@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly) writes:
Path: CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU!stanford.edu!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!bl213
   From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
   Newsgroups: misc.kids
   Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:27:30 GMT
   Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site
   Lines: 3
   NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


   You wouldn't trust an adult child's feelings about her own mother's
   parenting ability?  What better judge could there be?

Well, in this case, one who wasn't sleeping with the mother's ex-S.O.
But in any case, I think that 21-year-olds (or whatever age Soon-Yi
is;  she may be younger, as she was adopted as a street child with no
birth records) are not very good judges of parents.  They are barely
out of childhood themselves.  I know that I was very critical of my
upbringing when I was a teenager and young adult, and now that I'm
older I'm able to realize all the things my parents did *right*.

-- Anne
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Subject: Re: birth announcement (easy birth stories)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:40:06 GMT

 Easy birth stories! I love to tell mine.

My sister's OB told her to "pay attention to your feelings.  For some
reason, many women know things about their baby or labor that have no
medical expaination."  I knew my baby would be early, and I thought my
labor would probably be much like my sister's - very short, no
complications.

On January 30, I had my regular monthly checkup.  The OB said it didn't
look like I would start labor for at least 2 weeks.  So I went home
feeling pretty perkey, wondering if this is how you feel when you get
that fabled burst of energy before giving birth.  I really felt great.
So when I woke up at 12 with a very strong contraction, I thought it was
false labor.  I woke up aagain at a little after 2:00.  This time the
contraction was so awful I had to get out of bed and stand.  Slow
breathing wouldn't do it, I tried the fast breathing we learned in our
La maze class.  Then I went back to bed until around 4:30 and that's
when the contractions started and never let up until Soren was born.  At
one point I was in the bathtub try to see if hot water would help me
relax, thinking that if this is false labor, I'm not going to survive
the real thing.  Believe it or not, it still hadn't occured to me that I
really was having a baby.  The bath wasn't doing much good because I
didn't have enough time to lie down in the water between contractions.
At a little before six I started to feel this strange sensation roll
through my body during contractions, when I realized that this must be
the urge to push, I asked my husband to call the hospital and ask if
it's possible that I could be in real labor.  After I asked him several
times to call, he finally did, even though he was sure I was just having
false labor.  The doctor he talked to practially called him an idot and
told him to get me to the hospital right away.  We'd planned all along
to have our baby at Stanford Medical Center.  I put on my robe and
slippers and marched right out to the car.  Karl paused to dress
himself.  I gave him directions to the emergency entrance as is standard
for arriving to have a baby.  We checked in at 6:15 am.  Soren was born
at 6:30.  The redident on call arrived at 6:35, my OB arrived at 6:40.
Soren was delivered by a wonderful labor room Nurse named Tommy
Thompson.  Technically, my first labor lasted 6 and 1/2 hours, but there
was 2 hours between the first, ssecond and third contractions.  Then a
few were about 5 minutes apart, then 3 minutes apart, then one right on
top of the other.

I like to tell myself that one reason we were so out of it was because
my due date was Feb 25, and Soren was born Jan 31.  He was healthy and
pink (apgars 8 and 9) 6 lbs, 13 ozs, 19 in long.
************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
*************************
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: No morning sickness second time around
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:59:43 GMT
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <1992Sep1.204030.622@samba.oit.unc.edu> cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) writes:
>Ok, call me crazy but I am worried that I don't have morning
>sickness with the second one.  Three years ago I spend the
>first trimester extremely nauseated, but not throwing up all
>the time.  So far, at week six I only have a little queasiness
>in the morning.  Anyone else find the did not have it the 
>second time.  My OB said the nausea means all the hormones
>are at the right level.  I do feel extremely tired this
>time which I did not have the first time.  I am probably
>the only person in the world to worry about not having
>morning sickness!!!!!  I just need a little reassurance,
>my first pregnancy was so easy I am afraid I used up all
>my luck and this one will not be so easy.  Also, I am 41
>and a little nervous about that.  Thanks for listening, I
>have not gone "public" yet, so none of my visible friends
>can provide any reasurrance :-).
>
>Cathryn W. Chiesa
>cew@med.unc.edu
>
>

  Cathryn,  I don't have much morning sickness either.
  My first pregnancy, I barely knew I was pregnant until
  I felt a lump.  I thought I was just tired from the stress
  of driving cross-country and moving to a new city.  And
  my son is perfectly healthy.  I don't think there is any
  "required amount" of morning sickness one has to go through.
  Now I'm feeling just fine.  I had some queasiness at
  week 4-6.  But now at week 8 I feel just fine.  No
  nausea, no queasiness, except for the time I went to
  lunch with some coworkers and some of the bald guys
  made me queasy.  :-)

  If your first pregnancy was easy, mostly likely this one
  will be easy too.  My mom had 4 easy pregnancies.
  Just consider yourself lucky!  And try not to worry
  too much.

  :-)

  Clare
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 01:13:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug27.213038.21526@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>All this stuff about walkers really irks me.  Okay, walkers aren't the
>safest thing in our house--we know.  But they do serve a purpose and
>just like anything else, if used properly, present little risk.  
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sure, but couldn't that argument be used for practically *anything*?
Handguns used for target shooting, if used properly, present little risk.  
The problem is that many parents are not vigilant much of the time,
and very few parents (if any) are vigilant *all* of the time.  The fact 
that over 20,000 accidents occur each year due to walkers is pretty
scary.  Just because accidents couldn't possibly happen in *your* family
doesn't imply that they are good for mass consumption.

>Why not ban stoves?  

Simple--stoves are necessary, unless you always eat out, or eat your
food raw.  Walkers are *not* necessary equipment for babies.

>After all, all a toddler has to do is reach up
>and touch a hot burner and you've got major trouble.  A little prevention
>and a little common sense goes a long way.
>
Sure, a little prevention and a little common sense goes a long way, 
but look at the number of accidents that occur each year.  LOTS of
people are using VERY little common sense.

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:14:12 GMT
Summary: qualifying events

In article <1992Aug26.185918.13996@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
> In article <day_kevran-230892150043@130.252.108.211>, day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
> > 
> > This isn't the case for our program.  There are "qualifying events"
> > which make it possible to change the amounts.  For instance, I was
> > able to change my amount withheld (upward) when my husband went
> > from part-time self-employed to full-time permanent employment.
> > The birth of a child is a qualifying event as is the loss of a job by one
> > of the spouses.  There are probably others, you need to check with 
> > your company's benefits administrator.
> 
> 
> I found out the hard way that the birth of a child didn't qualify 
> unless there was a corresponding decrease in income.  When my
> second child was born, I was able to take an 8-week  fully-paid
> disability leave.  So even though I'd planned to take my older
> child out of daaycare while I was home on leave, they wouldn't
> let me break out of the plan.  (So I left him in daycare, sinc
> I had to pay for it anyway, and it worked out OK, as I really
> didnn't have the energy to tend my older son plus the newborn)
> 
My memory on this situation is more fully returned.  Actually,
the birth of a child is a "qualifying event" to INCREASE the 
amount put into the fund -- and not to decrease or cancel
the deductions.

Decreases in income (such as result from going on leaves of absence)
are also Qualifying Events.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Johnny-Jump-Ups
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:39:20 GMT

> in hearing what everyone has to say about Johnny-Jump-Ups. I know people
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

....otherwise known as "Baby Bungee Cords"!  Sorry, couldn't
resist, a friend jokingly called them that once and I loved it
and have been saying it ever since.  

	Christine
        1st time mom-2-b in Jan. '93

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: burd@pilot.njin.net (Barry Burd)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 3 Ninjas ???
Keywords: kids movies
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:41:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


My 7-year old wants to see the 3 Ninjas movie.  If I take him I've got
to take his 4-year old sister too.  Has anybody seen it?  If so, do
you have any opinions on its appropriateness for kids this age?  In
reporting your opinion(s) please try to give me some idea of where
you stand on other movies of this type.  (It will help me judge
whether or not my opinion might be close to yours.)

Mail replies to bburd@tarzan.drew.edu or to bburd@drew.bitnet and
I will post a summary of replies in a few days.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:35:39 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: birth announcement (easy birth stories)
Distribution: na
 <1992Aug24.161920.14617@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
 <1992Aug27.161636.13768@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>
 <1992Aug28.151605.18689@crd.ge.com>

In article <1992Aug28.151605.18689@crd.ge.com>, millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia
K. Miller) says:
>
>In perspective, the hardest part of the labor was that once it got intense
>I didn't know how much longer it would  be.  If I had known it would only
>be another 1/2 hour, I wouldn't have paniced as much.  The whole thing
>was only  around 10 hours.

I agree with Julia, that one of the hardest parts of labor is not knowing
how long it will last.  My labor was also induced and very short--about 4
hours of pitocin before I could start pushing.
If I had known ahead of time that it would be over that quickly,
I think I could have managed more easily.  Unfortunately,
it is almost impossible to predict.  One thing to remember though, and
someone on the net told me this before I delivered Douglas, is that
dilation doesn't happen at a steady rate.  It took me about 5 hours to
go from 1 cm to 5, and about 1 hour to get from 5 to 10.  It's very hard
not to be discouraged when the dr comes in and says you are at X cm, when
you have been working so hard!

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Kids and Pets (Re: Sweet things they do (3 years))
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194713.2213156@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>Brendan's story reminded me of Mitchell.  Being dog fanciers, we were watching
>the Westminster Dog Show a while back.  Mitchell commented, "We need to show
>Daisy so she can be a hero!"  I didn't really know how to explain to him that
>our beloved OES is not show quality.  Perhaps when he is older he can take her
>to obedience school and start junior handling.  But I think they have to be
>8 (the child, not the dog).
>
>Judy
>
Why not have a neighborhood dog show and give out ribbons and the whole shebang?
Each animal could win something and the kids could have a ball!  (I know, it's
a lot of work.....)


Just an idea.
Jennifer
>
>-- 
>Judy Leedom Tyrer
>
>"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake


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