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From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.tamil
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:35:47 GMT


Even if 'Soc.Culture.Tamil' is voted out, one can still create 
'Soc.Culture.Tamil.Trial' without any voting.  It's continued 
existence depends on the number of postings in the first few 
months, so I am told.

Can some knowledgeable netter shed more light on this ?

Meenan Vishnu
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 03:40:18 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Final note....?

I feel like I have write this down....for the the discussion/opinions on
the topic of Tamil Nadu, LTTE & Tamils has taken an ugly
nature. Not even the 'notorious' Sinhala hardliners have writen something
of this nature. They, after all come up with atleast some facts to
support their writing. But, not ONE single of them has said to slaughter
all Tamils.(Regis' posting).
All what I have  written is based on WESTERN journals, personal memory
and news from relatives back home. There's no need to lie about what has
been going on or what's still going.  It's been very long since I have
seen any LTTE journals. One of you have reffered to the IPKF's well
documented atrocities as 'alleged.' Tell that to the countless number of
widows and orphans.... And some men who were paralyzed by the
torture.(all is documented by more than one organization! ) To my
reference to my own family members being killed(break- up: an uncle in
his early 50's, his
wife and the oldest son with a handicapped arm, one of my father's
brother), one netter calls it, 'shear propoganda.' Fine.   
How many of you are aware that India Today's or any Indian reporter had
to go with the IPKF escort during the time of fighting? They were
restricted in what they can see, hear and report. THIS IS NOT A LIE.
We have all seen this type of 'sanitized' reporting at the Iraq war. How
many of you  seriously believed the Pentagon 'pool reports' ?   Remember
India Today's report on a video tape provided by the IPKF that show
Prabakaran to be dead? Luckily, some courageous western(notably BBC)
reporters took their chance in going to the 'hot' areas. Most of what
they reported put a different version on 'things' reported by Indian
reporters.
At times some got harrassed by IPKF.. It is during this time,  U.S state
department changed its classification of Tigers,  from that of
'terrosrists,'
to that of 'freedon fighters.'  Some of IPKF's atrocities were laid wide open
for everyone to see in western presses.  Call them, 'alleged' if you like.
All of India Today's I read, none of this was there. What happened?
No need to even mention Doordhashan, I suppose.  It's all there, if you
have the time and haven't prejudged everything. From IPKF-LTTE
interactions before the fighting to all the way to forceful reqruitment
of young boys for Tamil National Army created to fight LTTE. And the 
doomed election.    

If you are so blindly patriotic to believe everything in the Indian
media, and then call me and SL Tamils all kind of names......I have
nothing to say.
Americans, for all their might & wealth, do better in this regard.

Suresh
Proud to be a Thamilan and to be free....
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: 'illangai thamilan's journeys'
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:22:16 GMT
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hi folks:

At the end of April, I'll post the compiled version on this bb.
It will float around during summer- lowest peak of this bb's activity.
It will lose all of its formatting, unfortunatley. This is one of the reasons
why I didn't want to to post the final version on a bb. I hope the ones who
received the final version enjoyed it. Also, due to work load and time
constrain, I 'll be writing on Tamils & Jaffna during the summer. I need
to do some readings on it before plunging into it. And I promise, it
will be good if not more than just modest. I sincerely hope, that nobody
starts a flame war on this bb from now on. Its simply useless and serves
no one any good. And at this moment, the situation in whole island(esp.
East) is very tense....it may just explode out of control.  But, there
are some trying for peace still. Let's wish succes for the Bikkhus'
journey to Jaffna on April 15th.



Ranjith  ..................              FOR PEACE!             ............
From: ketha@ee.mcgill.ca (KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: new year wishes
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:53:53 GMT
Organization: Undergraduate UNIX Lab, EE, McGill University
Originator: ketha@nermel.EE.McGill.CA


   ELLORUKKUM ENATHU 'AANGKEESHA' PUTHU VARUDA VAZHTHUKKAZH

   MY BEST WISHES FOR THE HAPPY NEW YEAR ( Is it really for TAMILS in Sri Lanka)-                              --------
From: rxh9306@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Part 7 : Who Created the Tigers(LTTE) ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:30:40 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology




Who Created the Tigers (LTTE) ?                        (Part 7)


Successive Sri Lankan Governments did !


Here is how:

There is no dispute amongst historians that a Tamil nation (in the
North and East of the island) and a Sinhala nation (in the South
and West) existed in the form of separate kingdoms for more than
two thousand years.............  Before the British conquered and
merged the Sinhala and Tamil nations into a single country called
'Ceylon' in 1833, the Tamil and Sinhala communities were ruled by
different Kings as two separate independent nations.........

One of the most vicious forms of oppression of Tamils by successive
Sri Lankan Governments is the destruction of this national identity
of the Tamil population through government sponsored aggressive
Colonization Schemes in the form of

(a)  settling Sinhalese from the South, in the North and East, the
traditional Tamil homelands. [The Sinhala settlers are provided
with financial assistance as well as housing, land and irrigation
facilities for farming]

(b)  forced acquisition of private lands owned by Tamils and vacant
lands in the North and East by declaring them as archeological or
sacred sites of Buddhist and Sinhalese culture.

(c)  division of provinces into districts and the merger of Tamil
districts in the North and East with the Sinhala districts in the
border provinces and the creation of new Sinhala districts in the
North and East.

..............These government sponsored colonization schemes
include Gal Oya and Maduru Oya developments in Batticaloa district;
Allai, Kanthalai and Yan Oya projects in the Trincomalee districts;
and the Mahaweli Development Scheme which is designed to connect
the Sinhalese colonies in the Eastern province with their
counterparts in the North.  In the Gal Oya scheme alone, there are
38 new Sinhalese colonies created within the last 40
years...........

...............The proportion of Tamil speaking people (in the
traditional Tamil homelands in the Eastern Province) has been
reduced from 88% in 1946 to 75% in 1981, while the Sinhalese
population more than doubled from 12% in 1946 to 25% in 1981.  The
recent unofficial figures indicate that the current proportion of
the Sinhala population in the Eastern region is continuing to
increase.



(Dr. E.A. Selvanathan, Proceedings of the International Tamil Eelam
Research Conference 1991,  California State University, Sacramento,
California, U.S.A., July 19 - 21, 1991)
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: LTTE and Tamils
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:53:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

You have basically summed the reasons to end the war. It's true that
LTTE has done quite a few bad things. At times, the situation becomes
just gray. Only the different uniforms can  differentiate LTTE from SL
army as far as some unwanted killing go. It is of my opinion  that the
question of prestige and unwillingness to compromise on any
issue(beacuse of deep mistrust) are what's prolonging this war. As I've
said before, most Tamils will also agree that the bigger of the two
evils for them is the SL
armed forces. In addition to all this, seated at the SL government are
bunch of mass murderers who didn't care how many thousands died(SL vs.
JVP).
Countless acts perpetrated by the SL army in the North and the East has
left a deep impression of the the
'official' rulers of the land. This impression/feelings will never go away. 
And from what I know personally, most Tamils academics in US support the
seperatuon of SL and are for Tigers(Tamil Conferrernce, last year). May
be, most of them are from Jaffna. Regarding the East, LTTE seems to have
acted without much regard for the people more than once.....just to be
out done by the SL army.
But what about the moslem 'home guards' in the east created esp. to
forment racial tension. And the 'colonies' with the protection of Sinhala
'home guards.' Situation there, at best is very gray. 

Then there is India's hand......
Some politicians who exploited racism constantly + a few anti-India
elements at the Sl government + a few anti-Tamil riots+some Tamils
who've  had it = 7 yrs of untold misery...and still going.
Some monks still say some crazy things.

_Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Subject: Re: On silence &.. Acceptance Of The Fact That You Were Wrong.
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 23:47:45 GMT

In article <wdsvHo_00UhWI_3186@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>
>A note to all sane readers:
>
>It's about recent postings about TN, LTTE & Tamils on
>netnews.soc.culture.indian. My harsh joke on Tamil Nadu chief didn't
>bother many. But, my next posting was provocative and a bit offensive.
>MAybe I wanted it that way so as to 'test the waters.' Well, that
>approach has proved to be counterproductive. But, the the  postings are
>offensive only in the eyes of the 
>ignorant. I didn't have provocative material.
>What I don't understand is why no one came forward to back any of the
>content in the writings. I was left high and dry. A quite a few Indians
>wrote strong defamotory material on SL Tamils, LTTE & me. Many name
>callings came to my mail box.Why is a silence being kept? Truth cannot
>be buried under a pile of mud. You must stand for it regardless of its
>content. Many of you propably know more of firsthand IPKF atrocities
>than I do. And some of you are experts in the whole Indira Gandhi & RAW
>to Rajiv's 'peace' mission deal. Did't have time to say anything now?
>Or is that you are afraid of being labeled a 'terrorist,' if your
>thoughts sound
>a bit pro-Tamil or LTTE? At the end, I'm sure some Sri Lankans had a
>field day by reading those posts.
>
>Good day.



A graceful acceptance of the fact that you were wrong in blaming the IPKF
without any evidence to back your claims. Anyway, people do make mistakes
and realizing them in time and trying to rectify them is what is the most
important things to do.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
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From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:30:36 GMT
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I think it's a good idea. In this forum, we could discuss things that
are common to all Tamils. Without dragging fracticidal politics &
regionalism into,  this new outlet could be very useful.  After all,
Tamils from India & Sri Lanka are just about in every corner of the
world. From Toronto to Sydney. The time has come for
soc.culture.tamil.international.

Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: inde6o5@rosie.uh.edu (92S02648)
Subject: James X
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:45:00 GMT



      I am looking for a guy from Sri Lanka named James X...where can he be?  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: elan@callanish.rdg.dec.com (Balendra Elangco)
Subject: Re: More on Tiger Trash
Reply-To: elan@rdg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:32:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.142504.18457@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
|> 
|> > Have these people [SL Tamils] forgotten how the riots of 83 started
|> > in the first place?
|> > To refresh your memories :
|> > 
|> > It was the raping of 6 Sinhalese women in the Jaffna area and cutting up
|> > their bodies into pieces and throwing them around in the heart of Colombo.
|> 
|> > 
|> >                                                       --  Charles
|> 
|> Man, you are totally clueless.
|> This is the biggest joke I have heard in a while.

And seriously **IGNORANT**
|> Meenan Vishnu

-- 
Elangco
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: jey@sparc.micronics.com (Jey Kumarasurier)
Subject: LTTE..
Organization: Micronics Computers, Fremont, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:39:32 GMT


In article <nn1.702654497@Jazz.CC.MsState.Edu> you write:
>rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>
>>I have a question for all Sri Lankans(must be born there) who use this
>>net. Some of you might have read old and recent writings. Take
>>some time by yourself before anwering. If you can, then you know the
>>solution for the current tragedy. It's not an easy question. And
>>certainly, it's not meant to be.
>>Q: How can a young Tamil sympathize with LTTE while at the same time
>>wish for the unity of land and its people?
>> I would like to add, at this stage of
>>'siutuation,' not too many Tamils have a notion of 'unity.' Only a
>>minority. few.
>>Please post the answers on the net.
>>Thanks.
>>Suresh
>
>  I never tried to answer to anything here because of the (what i consider)
>idiotic and malacious replies and because anybody who does not say that
>pirabakaran should be killed is immediately labeled a tiger by these great
>men.  but i couldn't miss this.  so here goes.... ( this is not at the same
>time though)
>
>Personally, i would like the war to end because,
>1. this has been going on for too long.
>2. innocent people are getting killed for no reason.
>3. i think that the whole discrimination etc were created only by po.......
........
.....

<deleted>


>   ( also, non of the tamils can completely declare that killing amirthalingam
>   was wrong etc because they were harming the tamils.  so although we thought
..........
.......
<deleted>
 
If I may, as a Tamil speak for myself, I never agreed with the killing of
Amirthalingam. It was totally wrong and can't be excused. Even if Amirthalingam
got 10 votes in the election and even if the Tamil people don't want to see him
in the political power circle, the assasination of the leader who once had the
power to unify the entire Tamil population is not just any other killings.

But when it comes to the Tamil selfdetermination ,  their  dignity and their
right to live in this world,  LTTE is the only hope for the Tamils for now!!
From: 880478s@ace.acadiau.ca (CHARLES STRICKLAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: SARVODAYA
Summary: give meinfo
Keywords: What's happening
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:30:35 GMT
Distribution: all over
Organization: Acadia University

Much of this news group spends its time on the violence in the North and the 
nasty things people do to one another sponsored by government stupidity, but 
what I would really like to know is what is happening with Dr. Ariyaratne 
and the Sarvodaya Shramadana movement. The past few months I have heard 
numerous stories of stepped up gov't pressure to rid the island of Ari and 
his organization - through an NGO commission, that and talk of Ari running 
for President - which I later read in a speach by him that he would not. So 
does anyone know anything.
	As well could anyone tell me anything at all about the situation in 
Galle District as I have several friends there but have heard little 
from them in recent months.
	Should be noted that I am an avid reader, but first time poster to 
this news group, but spent a few months in Lanka some years ago with the 
NYSC (don't hold that against me).
	Thanks for the info if you are so inclined to help.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: bandu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jagath Samarabandu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: On silence &..
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:40:45 GMT
Organization: SUNY/Buffalo Electrical Eng.

In article <wdsvHo_00UhWI_3186@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>
>A note to all sane readers:
>
>It's about recent postings about TN, LTTE & Tamils on
>netnews.soc.culture.indian. My harsh joke on Tamil Nadu chief didn't
>bother many. But, my next posting was provocative and a bit offensive.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>MAybe I wanted it that way so as to 'test the waters.' Well, that
>approach has proved to be counterproductive. But, the the  postings are
>offensive only in the eyes of the ignorant. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I didn't have provocative material.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'd say you contradicted your self.

Bandu
From: 2816af@GMUVAX.GMU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Ilangco's Monk
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:22:00 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.083439.2583@rdg.dec.com>, elan@callanish.rdg.dec.com
 (Balendra Elangco) writes:
............
>
> Which planet are you on? Mars? When did ever Sri Lankans wake up?
>
> Didn't you hear about the buddhist monks opposing to everything Sri Lankan
 government
> is trying to do.


- Not by shaven head does a man
  who is undisciplined and untruthful,
  become a monk.
  How shall he, who is full of desire and greed,
  be a monk?
  - Dhammapada

>That isn't to say that the government is trying to do anything
> satisfactory for Tamils.


  Any person, who is born to tamil parents is not a tamil
  unless he supports LTTE.  By definition, such a person is a TRAITOR!
  - LTTE Supporter (what was his name?)

>
> It is *very* hard work (if not impossible) to drum this into their heads that
> discriminatory policies would destroy the wealth of the country. Well, they
 might
> have an answer for that, " what is left to destroy?"
>
> Wake UP, welcome to the planet earth!!! :-)
> --
> Elangco


Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: How did 83 riots started ?
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:23:27 GMT


> 
> 
> Have these people forgotten how the riots of 83 started in the first place?
> To refresh your memories :
> 
> It was the raping of 6 Sinhalese women in the Jaffna area and cutting up
> their bodies into pieces and throwing them around in the heart of Colombo.
> 
>                                                       --  Charles


> 
> > Man, you are totally clueless.
> > This is biggest joke I have heard.
> > Where did you hear this news from ?
> 
> Where did I get it from? I was in Colombo that time, visiting!
> Thats where I got it from.
> 
> > The July 1983 riots were sparked off when 13 members of the Special Task
> > Force were blown by an LTTE landmine in Jaffna.
> 
> Where did u get this boloney from? The LTTE newsletters???
> 
> Also, I knew a few people in the Veerakesaki newspaper in Colombo, so
> don't give me this crap!
> 
>                                         --  Charles

So here is a new and previously unknown theory on how the 83 riots
started from an eye-witness.

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Time for thought..
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:54:19 GMT

In article <Udrzmcu00VorAKiUFT@andrew.cmu.edu> rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
>I have a question for all Sri Lankans(must be born there)  - 

I came to the US when I was two, but I've been back to visit several times
since then...do I count?

>Q: How can a young Tamil sympathize with LTTE while at the same time
>wish for the unity of land and its people?

>Thanks.
>Suresh

Hmmm...I'm not sure what you're asking.  For me, sympathizing with the plight
of an oppressed people and desire of some to free them is not inconsistent
with a wish for an end to the fighting and killing of all, and the creation of 
a nation free from internal strife, whole and unified.

However, this doesn't mean that I have an answer to the question of what should
actually be *done*...it just means I can sympathize with one side, while 
yearning for a land free of social barriers, where such a situation need never 
arise.

						 - Amirthi




-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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