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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:18:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Dec13.161834.2622
Organization: Alchemy International

In article <gf_pbyG00XsL8QN0RO@andrew.cmu.edu> wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi) writes:
>The problem is that they affect to other people and contaminate normal
>people's ethics.  It is different between rich people in US who spend a
>lot and do whatever they want, and OJs who are doing the same thing in
>Korea.  Korea is more compacted society.  How far is the 'Rodeo street'
>in Ap-ku-jung-dong from Sa-dang-dong 'Pan-ja chon' ?  Even though the
>number of OJ is small but their influence is not negligible. It's like
>having  a diseased chicken in a chicken coop.  Their influence can be
>shown as a simple example.

	How far is the Rodeo St. in Beverly Hills from South Central LA?
How far is the Fifth Ave. in NY from East Harlem?  Urban problems are
everywhere.
>
>Rap music is very popular  in korea these days.  There is a popular rap
>singer in Korea who even wears clothes like black people in US.  Why is
>the rap music that popular in Korea (even it might be more popular than
>in US) which is nothing but a black people's music ?  Rap music could
>become so intimidated to korean mainly by the night clubs which are OJ's
>main play ground and young singers who are OJs.  

	*This* is supposed to be an example of "a diseased chicken in
a chicken coop"?  How the heck is this different from young people listening
to rock music which is nothing but a white man's music?  Remind me to
play my Kool Moe Dee and LL Cool J really really loud when you are near
me.  >


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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:35:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Dec13.183540.10072
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Dec13.180107.29513@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>The "low grade culture" listed above are international trend.  I think
>Koreans will get it with or without the help of OJ.  I do not know what
>normal Korean is, but I think the word "normal" is relative.  One day, OJ
>may become normal, and the rest left-over from the past.
> ..
>True if the other chickens are stupid enough to envy the deseased chickens
>and try to get sick themselves.  Unfortunately that is the case in Korea.

On slightly unrelated matter, the fact that it is somewhat impossible to read
Korean newspaper/magazines/etc without knowing English might has to do with 
this desease.  Looks like that in a matter of a generation or two, Koreans 
abandoned han-ja in favor of English, or sometimes, one sees triple usage 
(hangul, hanja, english) which supposingly makes meanings of certain writings
clearer.  

As usual, at the risk of making generalization, taking in what is not Korean
into Korean culture seems to be a specialty of Koreans, the author not
excluding in the name of fairness.
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: How do you read Hangul on PC-msdos? (HELP!)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:33:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I have a IBM PS/2 at work connected to Novell Netware running TCP/IP. I use
CUTCP telnet to connect to Internet. Can I still use iyagi to view
hangul? Or do I need some other emulation software? 

One more similar question, I have IBM PC compatible at home running
Linux, MS DOS and OS/2(I love it!). I use Kermit or some other
software to get SLIP connection from school. Then CUTCP telnet to a
host(I know I can run X to view hangul). But in telnet session, how
can I view hangul?


Jung
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Why was DJ defeated by YS.  
Message-I.d.: <1992Dec20.032814.6509@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:41:26 GMT

Relatively young genertation have preffered DJ to YS.
However at last YS has won.

I know that DJ speaks better than YS and he has stable supporter.

and YS has ever changed hist party to ruling party.

Neverthless ultimately YS grap his goal to a president and
DJ has lost the game.

I wonder why DJ failed and why YS successed.

IS YS brighter than DJ?

or Korean people will not elect any unruling part even if the cadidate

from opposition party is superior to the cadidate from ruling party?

or Did DJ fail to construct the mild image to the middle class and
to make them understand that this image is formed by the ruling party and
the korean mass media.

Or simply most of korean people do not like DJ?

I am eager to hear the reason why DJ must be defeated by YS from you,

wist netter.

I thought at the beginning of the election, DJ might be elected as 

a president but surprisingly DJ got only 34% of total ballots. This

is somewhat hard to understand..


The shaking with a seemingly radical organization resulted in the reduction

of ballot from the middle class? or Did DJ get only 34% 

even if more ballot came from this campaign. 

For the 1997 election, I think we need to analyze why DJ at last was pulled

down.

Expecting very good analysis on this topic....




Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Chongsun Park)
Subject: Korean Amateur Radio Operators
Summary: Searching for Korean having HAM radio as their hobby
Keywords: Amateur Radio Operators, HAM
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:48:47 GMT

Hello.

I am looking for anybody who had been a HAM in Korea or is interested in HAM
radio. I had call signs HL1ABT, and HL1AWG in Korea and now have KB0FME in
the USA.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chongsun Park          H: 612-331-7022   Internet:park@stat.umn.edu
1018 27TH AVE SE #B    O: 612-625-5247            stat261@staff.tc.umn.edu
MPLS, MN55414             612-625-3121            HL1ABT HL1AWG KB0FME
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:17:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.194314.14783@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>
>>	Go back to my previous post.  It's in there.
>
>Oh did you? I don't think you wrote anything based on the FACT!
>We need FACT!
>

	This reminds me of the flame war I was in over the summer against
some silly Maoist from MIT.  But anyway, as I wrote, the facts are that
DJ is patriarchal, surrounds himself with zealots who call him "our
teacher" and doesn't let anyone to grow as the next potential leader.
Also, the fact was that DJ promised repeatedly that he would not run
for presidency if the government changed the constitution to allow
popular voting in 1988.  He broke his promise, and the result was the
victory for Roh.  Frankly, I would have had a LOT of respect for DJ
had he stayed out of the race in 1988 and supported YS.  But now, all
I have is cynicism towards him.  


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Individualism  (was: Re: Orange-jok)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:45:10 GMT

I wrote:  (>> quotes are mine and > quotes are Andrew SH Kim's)
>>This gap can be closed when riches spend all their money and poors run some
>>business that suck up that money.

(Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>Sound too much like the Trickle-Down theory of economics.

It does.  I am no expert is economics, but isn't the economy supposed to be
in good shape when people SPEND and SPEND?  Trickle down economics works by
making riches make even more.  I was just advocating riches spending more.
Nowhere I suggested a way to riches to get richer.

>>If money can buy everything, they will buy everything.  If money cannot buy
>>everything, then they will find that out too.  Since their education is not
>>my concern, I do not feel like going out there and preach.  Besides, I do
>>not know the answer myself.

>One extreme of individualism is the attitude that only "I" matter.
>There are social responsibilities and one's conscience that at least
>some will be willing to act upon.

Social responsibility cannot be extended to what they drink for breakfast.
Drinking orange juice is just as environmentally sound as drinking
'sung-nyung' IMO.  Sure enough, people have to have social responsibilities
but I do not see how these yound kids driving cars they want, eating what
they want and dancing where they want can be a socially irresponsible act.
They did not commit any crime.  Making your neighbors turn blue with envy
cannot be classified as a crime, and cannot be regulated by the law.

If these are so called "leaders of the nation" or people that young kids
look upon for guidance, it is another story.

>>Not really.  Where did these overnight riches come from if it was so
>>"extremely difficult"?
>
>??? About what percentage of people are propelled into this class of
>'overnight riches'?  With per capita income of 6K$ or so, and
>cost of living being high.... I do not the see general well being of
>all classes but rather further bifurcation of two extremes: rich
>and poor.  

I have no idea about the current situation in Korea.  It has been a long
time since I walked on the street there.  But if these orange kids are such
as small minority, then, why all this out-cry?  I thought it was a sizeable
population. 

>>Such frustration is not observed in the U.S. thanks to the individualism.  
>>"You live your life, and I live mine" is the main theme.  And it has its 
>>own merits and flaws.  But in an individualistic society, 'orange-jok' 
>>would not even be an issue.  If there is any discussion about it, the main 
>>topic will be how to suck their money dry.  That's what I will be 
>>concentrating on myself.  

>"Let them eat cake".  

Let them drink orange juice.

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

James Choi
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:11:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec13.073336.27064@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang
 Jin-woong) writes:
>"The Korea Herald" as of Dec 13, 1992 reads;
>
>             Lee Jong-chan quits his race to support Chung J.Y.




His action will not much influence C.Y. Chung' winning,  probably
2 or 3 % of votors may be added up to CY's portion.  However,
definitly this should be helpful for Dae-Jung Kim's win since now
the presidential race is neck-and-neck between DJ and YS.  It is
a decisive dedication to DJ's win.

2 % is so critical.  Recall the American president election at the
closing time of race between Clinton and Bush.

                      Minho Jo,  Lehigh Valley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: How do you read Hangul on PC-msdos? (HELP!)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.152532.7344@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <Dec.11.19.33.22.1992.18925@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:

>	I'm pretty novice on PC; but I think the best way for your case
>	might be getting HANGUL WINDOWS 3.01 (don't trust me too much
>	on this, this is just an opinion and please do research on this
>	beforehand, since you have to pary some money for this).

There is a version of NCSA Telnet for PC patched for HanGul.
It's available from kum.kaist.ac.kr if my memory is correct.

>	Does linux supports SLIP?  That's great!

Not now.  I heard it will in the neare future ..

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Yongsup Park               \    park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov    /    Intentiolnally
Physics & Astronomy Dept.   \   park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  /   left as a
Northwestern University      \  B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     /   blank space.
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Election Result available on-line
Date: 18 Dec 1992 04:50:14 -0500
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: Election,result,online

In article <1gs6dlINN162@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:
> Here I'm posting an article from ARA BBS which was already posted to USENET
>but which has not been arrived to my site and many ohter sites in the US and
>other part of the world. 
>
>------------------------------------------------------

  I forgot to reveal source of this information, which is following
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Election Result Available Online
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:36:01 GMT

>
>Election result will be available from the following methods.
>
>        1)      finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr
>
>        2)      telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92
>
>The result will be gathered from HiTEL election board, and MBC TV and
>the language used is Korean. You'll be able to get romanized Hangul
>message from the finger query and KSC-5601 Hangul message from the
>telnet query. Thanks for your interest.

Also omitted was following disclaimer.
P.S.

Disclaimer: The result is provided as is without any *warranty*.
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
>
> To read Hangul on English-only terminal, get 'hcode' program from
>cair.kaist.ac.kr.,kum.kaist.ac.kr, or garam.kreonet.re.kr. and filter telnet
>or finger wiht 'hcode -kr' option. (that is 'finger
>.election@baram.kaist.ac.kr. | hcode -kr') You may have difficulty with new
>Romanization rule agreed by both Koreas(Chieut -> c NOT ch and similar
>strange rules)

   I made a mistake. Chieut is represented by 'ch' and 'Jieut' is by 'c' not
by 'j' or 'ch'.
  For your convenience, enclosed is ISO Hangul Roma. code

< consonants >
Korean         Rominization

Kiyeok             k
Nieun              n
Digeut             t
Rieul              r   (at the head of a syllable)
		   l   (at the end of a syllable)
Mieum              m
Pieup              p
Siot               s
Cieut              c
Chieut             ch
Khieuk             kh
Tieut              th
Phieup             ph
Hieut              h

Saang Kiyeok       kk
Ssang Tigeut       tt
Ssang Pieup        pp
Ssang Siot         ss
Ssang Cieut        cc

Ieung                (blank at the head of a syllable)
		   ng ( at the end of a syllable )

<Vowels>

a                  
eo        
e                   
i
u
o
eu 
ae        =  a + i
oe        =  o + i
ya
yeo       
yo
yu
yae
ye
wa
weo
wi
wae
we
yi       = eu + i
( Right hand side expressions are only for your convenience of
understanding. Those are not pronunciations but character elements.)

>
>  Jungshik Shin

Jugnshik Shin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: DJ for President
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.022534.25950@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>
>In a sense,  your claims may be right.  Yes,  they have different facts in
>population, territory, culture, and so on,  from our country.
>Let's think of successful countries which have different facts from us.
>For instance,  Spain came to be greatly successful in econoy and politics
>after the great leader, Carlos became leader of Spain right after
>the notorious dictator, Franco died.  Spain's population and territory
>are somewhat similar to us.  Probably,  Spain has more difficulties than
>us because they have been suffering from domestic indedpendence
>strugglings. However,  since they got the smart leader,  they could
>be successful.  Under the tyrant, Franco,  Spain was exactly the same
>as us.

	Hm, are you saying that King Juan Carlos has the power over 
economic policy of the Spanish government?

	An interesting article to read on this subject of different
NICs is "The Newly Industrializing Countries in the International System"
in _World Politics_ 38, 2 (January) by Stephen Haggard.  He compares the
development of the East Asian NICs with the South American ones.  Without
going into the detailed analysis, his conclusion was that the different
NICs developed differently due to different domestic structures and history.
The implication is that the development of a country depend so much on its
history and domestic structures that it would be futile to try to import
say, Korean style of economy to Brazil or Croatia and hope it works.  On
the other hand, your Realpolitik argument implies that all you need is
a smart leader.  I will have to side with the liberals like Haggard in
saying that matters are much more complicated than that.
>


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From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:51:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Dec15.090847.2487@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:

>waste my vote, I'll vote for YS.  Why?  I do not like DJ's style of
>leadership.  He's extremely patriarchal, surrounds himself with zealots
>(yes, I can't stand people calling him "my teacher."  Reminds me of
>Kim Il Sung and the Great Leader crap.) and didn't encourage any potential
>successor in 30 years of political career.  Makes me think, if DJ were
>to die suddenly, say, of heart attack tomorrow, who would lead the 
>opposition?  Park Chan Jong?  Lee Chul?

I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
I don't have any official document. 

un-sig 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee)
Subject: Re: Reading HAN.* news group
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:46:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.100845.16793@news.duc.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.005728.20044@worak.kaist.ac.kr> jycha@khsun.kyunghee.ac.kr (Jong-Yul Cha) writes:
>>    han.archives
>>    han.fun
>>    han.games
>>    han.hitel.fun

....[ stuff deleted ]....

>>
>>I wish everyone could make best use of it.
>>
>
>After changing the NNTPSERVER, I could get those groupes. However
>when I tried to read one of them, only lots of ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ were shown on 
>screen.  
>

What is a NNTPSERVER and how do I access these News Groups ?
Give me some details.  

- Yuri
From: hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Rachael H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Good Names Anyone? (was Re: our names were chosen along time ago)
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:33:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec16.033829.11074@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>How about a Name Contest?
>
>You see, I am expecting my first baby next June.  I recently asked my
>parents and found out my kids' last character is supposed to be "Bae".  
>...  I
>would rather have him a cool name than a dorky name.  (How about Flash?)

Okay, here is my entry.  How about...


   ___      ____   
     / |    |___   |_| 
      []   ------  |_| H   ?
            ---+         
               |

Isn't it cool?  I seriously think so.  I wish I had a name like that,
but, then again, I'm a lady.  Hope "DeukBae" wins me the bronzed
new-born-baby's-first-diaper (Oh, how cute!).


P.s. Honorable mention includes...
        ____                                       ____
___     |_|_          ___    ____           ___    |_|_  
  / |  ------ |_|       / |  |_|_-| |_|       / |  __|_ |_|
   []     |   |_| H ,    []    ---+ |_| H ,    []    o  |_| H
          o                       |

and, of course,    ___ 
                     / |     |_|
                      []     |_| H .

...but they all seemed dorky, so couldn't make it.

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 O =|| /\ |_  O-| |   |  __| |_    |  |_|  __|    /\  //\-||  O
     |    |   |__ |__ |  |__ |  _|__ ----  |__-| ____      | _v_ !
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hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu            Z
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:00:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec16.182407.70671@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (M
INHO JO) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.193421.14487@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tchoi@binah.cc.brande
i
>s.edu writes:
>>
>>>>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>>>>I don't have any official document.
>>
>>DJ simply cannot win.
>
>###############################     ####     ##################################
##
>
>Can you diprove that DJ simply can win ?
>Did you ever look at the current polls ?
>
>When you disprove it,  I wish you show us acceptable evidences.
>
>
>
>###############################     ####      #################################
#
>
>
>                         Minho Jo, Lehigh Valley
>