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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: sleep patterns, ferberizing, ...
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:34:22 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
|> I've seen lots of info on Ferberizing; It is too early to try it
|> now (Sophia's only four months) but shows no indication of interest
|> in sleep in general. She does not sleep too much and many times stays
|> awake till midnite, only to sleep for a couple of hours and wake up
|> again, a quick feeding, again, ...

I do have a couple of ideas, a few which can even be implemented now. 
She doesn't need to eat more than every 3 or 4 hours, especially at
night.  What I would try to do is to stretch the time between feedings.
So, if she usually goes 2.5 hours, I would try and distract her before
feeding her.  This can be done with a toy, by rocking her, by changing
her, etc.--anything so that she has to wait a little longer for the
food.  That may lengthen the stretches of time that she sleeps.  If her
feeding is quick, that means she's not starving, and she can wait.

ANother way to do this is to shorten the length of time she is nursed
or the amount of formula she is given.  (I would check with the dr
before doing this, but if she's a healthy full-term 4 month old, she
should be able to go at least 4-5 hours at night without waking for
food--and I would think even longer)  Instead of letting her nurse 7
minutes, cut to 6, then 5, etc.

|> I have read that gas tends to disappear at 6 months from infants; our
|> pediatrician does not think it's a problem. If anyone has any ideas
|> on any of the above (getting baby to sleep, gas, Ferber, ...) please
|> let me know. 

I do have a suggestion about gas, which I've made several times to
other people: infant massage.  There's a great book: Infant massage: A
Handbook for Loving Parents.  It even shows special techniques that are
useful in helping to move the gas through the intenstines and out of
the baby.  You could also call your local maternity ward and see if
they know of any infant massage classes. 

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:48:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lisa@elc11.icase.edu (Lisa A. Leutenegger) says:

>As Alex nears his 5 month birthday I have a few questions:
>
>1)  ... First off it took us 15 minutes to figure out that to get a baby
>    into a 5-point harness type seat you have to undo the little plastic
>    clip that holds the straps together.  We must have looked pretty stupid
>    in the store trying to cram him into the seat with the straps connected - 
>    we kept saying "hm, these must be for thinner babies" - as our 7 year
>    old niece always says "DUH!!!".

Don't feel too stupid.  We got one of these seats as a gift and decided
to return it 2 days later because we *still* thought it was so hard to
use.  Finally, when we went to return it, the store manager showed us to
undo the plastic clip, and we've been happily using it ever since.

>4)  Alex is currently exclusively breastfed, the little guy refused bottles 
>    so we gave up trying.  We are looking ahead to starting solids in the
>    next month or 2 and were wondering if 6 months is too young for a cup?
>
Just last night a woman told me that her son, who also refused bottles,
started to drink breastmilk out of a cup when he was 4 months old.  She
started with the real baby cup - with three little holes in the spout
(not an open spout), and she taped over the air hole on the other side. 
This provides some resistance so that the baby more or less sucks the
milk out, a la nursing, rather than actually drinking.   

- Cindy
From: darleene@jazz.concert.net (Darleene M. Heath)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Bronzing Shoes
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:04:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network


Who knows the history on the tradition of bronzing shoes?
From: ellenb@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen Boyle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pinata Control
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:04:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu


I agree that the scramble for the candy once the
pinata is broke CAN be an ugly spectacle, upsetting
to some but fun to others (obviously, you son thinks
it sounds fun and its his party..).
I think your idea of having some extra goodies left
out for the less aggressive kids sounds great.

Another point, I went to a birthday party for a 4yr old
that had a dalmation shaped pinata.  It was somewhat
gruesome to watch the children bash it with a stick
and one child burst into tears when it was busted
open.  Ah, birthday fun...

Don't get me wrong, I made a pinata for my son's 
birthday, once - the poor kids never could break it -
an adult finally had to use brute strength to get it
open.  Quite funny really.

-Ellen
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:53:54 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.232058.410@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>,
elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

> In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu \
> (Peggy Brown) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan5.181724.8075@oracle.us.oracle.com>, \
> shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...
> >>	2) Do you have any ideas on how to recognize a godfather other
> >>		than with a formal christening?
> >> 
> >
> >First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
> >christening?
> >
> >My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
> >and I'm agnostic.
> >
> >Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
> >sort, with participation by godparents.  
> >
> >Any suggestions?
> >
> >- Peggy -
> 
> I'm confused.  Why would atheist, agnostic, or religously
> indifferent folks want their child to have godparents of
> any variety?  What function would that person fill in their
> child's life?
> 
> (Which is a different issue from wanting to have a formal
> non-religious ceremony of some kind on the birth of a child.)

There is also a practical purpose to naming godparents, which
hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet.  In my family's tradition
(cross-thread pun intended), the godparents are named in the parent's
will to be the guardians of the children should something happen to
the parents.  Agreeing to be the godparents for a child is a big
commitment.

Fortunately, no one in my family has ever needed this protection,
but I know that my parents and their relatives felt much better
knowing that this commitment had been made.

				- - Steve

--
Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival,
April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
Xref: sparky misc.kids:31902 alt.pagan:15093
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Godparent?
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:04:59 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1993Jan6.185820.687@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>	I think sponsor or mentor is more the term
>these folks may be looking for.  I'd also think it *much*
>more difficult to find a suitable individual.  With no
>"organized religion" how do you know the sponsor will
>subscribe to the beliefs (or lack there of as appropriate)
>which they wish their child to develop?  I guess you'ld 
>not only have to know that person *very* well, but trust 
>your life philosophies would evolve similarly.  Nice concept 
>though -- I think a non-related adult who is interested in a 
>child's growth and development a gennerally good idea.

I would think finding a godparent either inside or outside
a certain organized religion would be equally difficult.
In general, I would guess people would pick godparents from
their set of friend and relatives.  The criteria, in my
opinion, would probably be the same whether you are Catholic
or Atheist.  You would look for some one you respect and
admire.  Having a been raised in a family that is firmly
entrenched in an organized religion, which I no longer
subscribe to, I can say that both sets of people have
friends they respect and admire and believe would be good
spiritual mentors for their children.  I can also confidently
say that being in an organized religion does not guarantee
you would make a good godparent.  Nor does not believing
in organized religions necessarily make you a good spiritual
or moral sponsor.  

					Cathy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Baby furniture questions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:41:45 GMT
Summary: crib assembly and disassembly

> We also purchased our crib.  We want to put it in our bedroom for the first
> three months and then move it to the baby's room.  We haven't assembled it
> yet but I am almost positive we won't be able to transport it from one
> room to another without disassembling and reassembing it.  Is this what
> people do when they want to move the crib from room to room and if so, are
> there are problems with doing this?  We plan to use the crib for future 
> children and I can see us wanting to move the crib around.  I guess this must
> be why bassinets are so popular. :-)  After investing in a nice crib and good

Yes, we had to assemble and disassemble the crib to move it from room to
room.  We assembled it in a spare/empty bedroom since we knew we still
wanted to paint the bedroom designated as the nursery, only after it
was assembled did we realize it wouldn't even fit through the doorway.
We joke about it now (how many AT&T engineers does it take to assemble
a crib?).  It was easy to disassemble and assemble again however (since
it wasn't like doing it from scratch where you had to attach the brackets
and what-nots).  Others I know had to do the same thing, seems like many
or most cribs are larger than bedroom doorways.  We are fortunate to have
inherited a bassinet from my sister, which we'll use in our bedroom in
the beginning and it can be moved easily to the family room or living room
or wherever.  Sounds like you won't need a bassinet though.

Christine
due in 13 days or thereabouts! 


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:10:09 GMT

In article <16B53A398.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>In article <CINDY.93Jan10151654@solan10.solan.unit.no>
>cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
> 
>>A while back i was baby-sitting for a friend.  Until now all my
>>baby-sitting experience has been with kids in cloth diapers or kids
>>who are already toilet trained, so this was the first time i've spent
>>a whole evening caring for someone in disposable diapers.  I just have
>>one simple question, which is probably going to amuse someone, but
>>which i really want to know the answer to before the next time i have
>>Sunniva on my own for a while.
>>
>>How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>>disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?
>>
>>-Cindy Kandolf
>> cindy@solan.unit.no
>> Trondheim, Norway
>>
> 
>If the child isn't fussy (bothered by the wet diaper), stinky (with either
>#1 or #2), and the diaper isn't falling off from the weight of the urine,
>leave well enough alone and don't change the baby.
>Teres

Maybe because dirty and/or wet diapers promote diaper rash -- an
unpleasant state of affairs for baby and parent?

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Turning a breech baby
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:19:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


This is a partial answer to the breech-at-34-weeks question.  I'm at
31 weeks, and at my last checkup (30 weeks), my baby was also breech.
The midwife didn't advise me to do much at this point (she just looked
sternly at my belly and said "TURN!"), but I'm a worrier, so I went
home and checked my books.  One of them suggested the following
exercise:

Set up some high pillows or other soft support (I used a very large
beanbag chair) on your bed.  Then lie face down so that your hips are
lifted pretty high by this support.  You might need to arrange some
lower pillows to the side of the high support with a hole in them, so
your belly will have a place to fit without being squashed.  To avoid
arching your back, you may need to let your chest and head dangle off
the side of your bed.  This sound torturous, but it really wasn't bad -
I was able to read a book, though I did feel the blood rushing down
to my head some.  Anyway, stay in this position for 20-30 minutes.
The idea is to let gravity pull the baby's behind out of your pelvis,
assuming it's already engaged.  While it's floating around after being
pulled down, the baby might decide to flip.  There was no suggestion
of trying to push the baby around yourself; I think this could be
dangerous.  The idea is just to get the baby into a position that
allows freer movement and hope for the best.  If you *do* feel the
baby flip, the book says to walk around for an hour or so to get it
firmly into place in the head-down position.

So I tried this last week, and I think it worked, but not right away.
I did it during the evening, and then went to bed soon afterwards with
the baby still breech.  I woke up during the night because I was
feeling strong kicks at the top of my uterus instead of at the bottom.
It really was too early in the pregnancy for me to try this exercise,
though.  During the last week, the baby has moved into lots of
different positions - back to breech, back to head-down, transverse in
various orientations.  Who knows what he'll decide on at the end.
But this is better than before the exercise, when he seemed to have
firmly decided on the breech position.

I would be very interested in seeing a posting of your other responses,
and please let us know what happens in your own situation.

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Frequency and fertility
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:23:51 GMT

If anyone has any words of wisdom regarding this original
post, would you please send them to me too.  Thankx.

Cathryn Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: rabbit@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:59:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: lindy.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan11.194540.10227@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  What are some general guidelines about how old a child has to
>  be and the period of time left alone?
>
>  For example:
>  under 10, never left alone.
>  10-12 left alone while mother works
>  13-15 overnight
>  16+ vacation
>
>  (Notice I just made these up, I don't know, so I'm asking if there
>  are any guidelines available).  I seem to remember in high school
>  where people's parents would go to the Philippines and it would
>  be party time at their house.  
>
(Stuff deleted)

Up until 1989, the Federal Govt. would allow salary deductions for child
care under age 15, when they changed it to under age 13, unless the
dependents are physically or mentally  unable to care for themselves.  I
received this information from my employer.  I don't have the actual
wording, but I guess this means that once a child reaches the age of 13,
he or she is deemed able to care for themselves while their parent/s
is/are at work.


>  So does anyone know the official word about how old and what period
>  of time?

Aleta

*************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
************************* 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Duplos come in plastic bags
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
Distribution: misc
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:39:01 GMT

Duplos now come in a perforated plastic bag.  No choking hazard!

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:44:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: would help to clarify what age we're discussing

In article <glen.726360222@cs.wisc.edu> glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
>jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>
>>It seems as if water isn't given to babies like it used to be when I
>>had mine (22 years ago!).
>
>>What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
>>I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
>>to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.
>
>
>Perhaps what has changed is that now we feed them when they're hungry.
>I don't see anything wrong with (good) water, but deprivation of food
>is not healthy, and can lead to eating disorders.  In the short run,
>a hungry person, perhaps especially a child, is less able to learn and to
>deal with life in general.  And, contrary to older beliefs, a baby is
>doing a whole lot of learning.

When I first read Jan's article, I immediately e-mailed a response
about the dangers of feeding water to a newborn in lieu of
breastmilk because of its possibly deleterious effects in
establishing breastfeeding.  Glen interpreted Jan's comments for (I
assume) an older baby or child.  I agree entirely with Glen about
why we should feed kids when they're hungry.  But, I would hasten to
add that the reason why we shouldn't give supplemental bottles of water
to *newborns* has nothing to do with eating disorders.  Rather,
breastmilk is the ideal food and water supply for newborns, and
supplemental bottles of water not only interrupt the demand for
breastmilk, which might then lead to lower production of breastmilk,
but bottles of water might also lead to nipple confusion.

I guess it would have helped if we knew what age baby Jan was
referring to in the original article.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Keywords: circ
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:45:47 GMT

In article <gdavis.726346857@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
> Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
>Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
        ??????

(I just checked with my non-Jewish office partner to see if I was being
oversensitve. She assures me I am not)

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? ARE YUPPIES JEWISH. ARE ALL JEWS YUPPIE?
ARE YOU ANTI-SEMETIC? 

sheesh! I cant beleive we have to read this sort of crap on the net.

Laura Floom
From: liwen@cafaro.Eng.Sun.COM ()
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: looking for experienced OB/GYN doctor
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:43:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: liwen@cafaro.Eng.Sun.COM ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: cafaro


I am looking for an experienced OB/GYNs doctor with specialty in treating
Endometriosis and handling high-risk pregnacies. The patient had Placenta 
Previa in her first pregnancy. I am looking for the doctor in Sunnyvale,
Cupertino, Los Altos, Mountain View, Palo Alto, or the near-by cities. 
Any information or help will be highly appreciated. Please reply to me 
by mail (liwen.chen@eng.sun.com), since I don't read news very often. 
Thanks.


Li-Wen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@kokab.la.locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Sibling Rivalry (was Re: Baby furniture questions)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:11:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.204740.1914@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>
>I'm happy to report that Michael is now almost 6 months old and we've not had
>any problems (knock on wood) with Brian yet. In fact, he's quite proud of
>his baby brother.
>
>Jennifer

Has anyone else noticed that the real problem with sibling rivalry isn't
the older child jealous because of bringing a new baby into the home, but
the younger child jealous because her older sibling can do so much more, has
so much more, gets ANY attention at all, etc.?

We spent all this time making sure Mitchell didn't feel any rivalry, we weren't
prepared for what Erin seems to feel.  She follows the old story I learned
as a child in Sunday School.  Two brothers were being given balloons and the
wise grandfather went to the youngest brother to allow him to pick which
balloon he wanted first.  After awhile the youngest brother looked perplexed
and said, "I want HIS balloon."

After a month at home with the kids (sickness has some rewards) I have come
to the conclusion that my children just LIKE to fight.  Erin starts more
fights than Mitchell and both give as good as they get.  And half the fun
of the fight seems to be "Let's get Mom involved."  I've heard recommendations
that staying out of the fights is the only way to minimize them.  That's what
I'm doing now (except anyone who bites is given time-out).  It's REALLY hard,
though.  

Note:  they play as often as they fight, and often they fight and giggle
at the same time.  But someone always ends up in tears.  And that's the
part that I have a hard time with.  That someone may very well deserve to
end up in tears.  But still, they're my babies!

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Where to get the Mouse and the Motorcycle
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:19:00 GMT

I got quite a bit of response from my question about where to
buy a copy of the Mouse and the Motorcycle.  I also found out
there is a sequel, Run Away Ralph.  WaldenKids and Daltons
bookstores were two suggestions.  Several people had rented
the movies form a video store or checked it out at the local
library.  The best price can be had from a company in Ca, 
Music for Little People, there the tapes are about $13 plust
shipping.  If anyone wants the details, e-mail me.  I think 
I responded to all who e-mailed me, if I didn't THANKS.

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: drh@dpfe.UUCP (David R Huddleston Sr)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: To: Tamara and Teresa, et all
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: drh@dpfe.UUCP ()
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Division of AT&T

this is my second attempt at this, so I hope it works.  In my original post on 
"Professions parents" or "Working parents", I was just spouting off after a 
rather intense day.  I did not mean to imply that all parents who work do not
care or spend time with their families, just that those who do are typically
the ones who complain the most about problems, at least in the area I live in.

I know there are many 2 working couples who DO spend time and do things with 
their children, and I applaud them as much as the stay at home variety.

Sorry for the "temper tantrun"..  Becoming and "old gray man" has taught me 
patience with children, just not adults.

-- 
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