From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: fetal research
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:51:43 GMT
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In <nyikos.727542910@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>The thread title is inspired

"Insipid" is more like it.

>Message-ID: <nyikos.724016721@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
>Subject: Re: Lost Boy bugged by fetal tissue transplants.
>References: <By8KH2.IsA@rice.edu> <warren.723214120@hull> <1992Dec3.180726.12976@wdl.loral.com> <Byp8I6.BKx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Dec03.215031.121524@watson.ibm.com>
>
>In <1992Dec03.215031.121524@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>>In <Byp8I6.BKx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) writes:
>>>The possibility still exists (however remote) that
>>>someone would get pregnant to provide tissue for a loved one; a far worse
>>>possibility is that someone could be *shamed* into doing this by a domineering
>>>parent.
>
>>Nope.  You can't "target" donations.
>
>Yes you can.  At the present time it is illegal to target FEDERALLY FUNDED
>donations, but (1) there is nothing illegal about targeting privately
>funded donations and (2) even the federal ban will be null and void once
>Clinton issues his promised executive order.

Not according to the following, which makes no mention of funding:
In article <1992Jun3.230603.1564@clipper.ingr.com> katy@clipper.ingr.com (Katy Yanda) writes:
#>
#> FYI, the sale of human organs is prohibited in the US.  I imagine
#> the sale of fetal tissues would be as well.  Since abortions are
#> performed by _doctors_, I imagine they would have no qualms about
#> _donating_ the fetal tissue for research purposes.
#>
#> Of course, it doesn't make nearly as good of a scare-story.
#>
#>                                 -rocker
#
#The disposition of fetal tissue for research and/or transplantation
#already has been governed by the Universal Organ Donation Act, and
#further guidelines have been specifically drawn up for the issue
#of fetal tissue research/transplants by several medical and
#research Boards.  The scientific community is well aware of the
#ethical issues surrounding this sensitive research, and among the
#guidelines are the following:
#
#1. Costs of obtaining, transporting and sustaining fetal tissue
#until delivered to the organization which requires it are to be
#restricted to minimum costs, and are in no way allowed to be in
#part or whole, subject to any profit. As in a "finder's fee" or
#any other profit making scheme, Doug!
#
#2. The medical personnel who perform the abortion are to be in no
#way the same or connected to the medical professionals who will
#be using the fetal tissue.
#
#3. The decision to donate fetal tissue must be separate from the
#decision to abort, and the decision to abort must be made before
#any decision to donate fetal tissue. In addition, fetal tissue
#cannot be donated to a particular person or group at the behest
#of the donater.
#
#There are more restrictions, but I decline to list them for band
#width sake.  However, the little research about this subject
#I made in one afternoon at the public library for a speech
#could be easily duplicated by anyone.
#
#Doug, you are ignorant of all the facts of fetal tissue
#research if all you are going by is one news article.  I
#think that by digging a little further into peer-reviewed
#articles from such sources as Scientific American, Science,
#and The Journal of the American Medical Association, you
#will see that the medical profession is not aiding and
#abetting a genocidal war against their fellow humans.
#
#But as rocker says, the facts don't make for a very good
#scare story!

>>>While fetal tissue implants are miraculous, it cannot be denied that they
>>>are barbaric.
>
>>Are organ transplants "barbaric"?
>
>They are if you kill the donor in order to do it.

So, if targeted donations are not possible, nobody's killing the donor in order
to do it.  Are organ transplants "barbaric" in general?

>A mind is a terrible thing to waste.  Especially on two falsehoods and
>one leading (also misleading) question.

As far as I know, targeted donations are not [legitimately] possible.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)