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From: bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes)
Subject: Re: X-Tree for UNIX
Organization: ITS, Bond University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:58:09 GMT

BARRY TITMARSH <BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>Hi, We have all heard of Xtree gold etc for DOS, I have seen on this
>group some time ago, some one spoke about a UNIX version that was free
>I mailed him and asked about it but never had a reply.
>Does any one know of a Nice X-windows Util that will allow files to be
>broused played with in much the same way as you can with 'XtreeGold'
>can for MESY-DOS


Have a look at utree (archie will know where it is).  It's curses based
but very nice.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Re: real time
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:12:29 GMT


In article <1993Jan3.054159.11008@umr.edu> quandt@cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt) writes:
   What can anyone say about linux and real time support?  Same
   question applies to 386bsd.  I tend to believe that this concept
   would not be possible.  The reason being is that this (I believe)
   is a fundamental design change in how the kernal works.  However,
   if anyone has information to the contrary please let me know.

Well, actually, for some "real-time" applications, linux makes a lot
of sense, essentially because it has very low overhead in general.

However, it would not take a "fundamental design change in how the
kernel works" to make linux a /good/ RTOS.  If I don't get a part time
job next semester, I hope to work towards a version of linux with full
support for RT operations.

Linux-RT would of course have deadlines and all that, but the fun
thing would be that you might be able to choose a schduler at
compile-time with a simple conditional.  I have lots of ideas.

The neat thing about Linux-RT would be that because of the source code
availability, several compromises wouldn't have to be made.

I would also be documenting all this.

So, is there anyone who would actually use this if I were to do it?

michaelkjohnson
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: quick q
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:40:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.080443.10051@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wto@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (William T. O Connell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.071608.4248@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:
>>
>>hi everyone,
>>
>>i have a few questions on linux.
>>
>>1.  when i boot up linux using the floppy disk, i see the following messages:
>>	Warning WD8013 board not found at i/o = 280.
>>	ioctl: invalid argument
>>    are they normal?
>
>The warning is normal (assuming you don't have a ethernet card installed).
>ioctl? (haven't seen before - are you doing anything special in your rc file?)
>Let someone else comment on the invalid argument.

     Whoa...   I've always received that Warning message, and knowing that
I don't have an ethernet card, I ignore it.  Btw, how much IS an ethernet
card now?  Anyone?

     As for the ioctl, that's new for me as well..

>>3.  how can i change the node name from "softland" to something i like?
>
>Put 'hostname <something you like>' in you rc file.

  Well, that only does that when he logs in though.  What I think he's
trying to ask is that (root@softland) thing.  Well. Considering he
didn't specify where, I could be given some leeway in interpretation here.
But like, for that (root@softland) to be changed to (root@?????), I think
he'd need to recompile the kernel under the ????? hostname, am I correct?
> 


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bkuhn@cs.loyola.edu (Bradley " b " Kuhn)
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: Loyola College in Maryland
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:24:00

In article <1264@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> manaster@yu1.yu.edu (Chaim Manaster) writes:

>   I  am a DOS person just getting introduced to UNIX and liking it! I
>    would like to put some version of UNIX on my 486/DX along with DOS
>    and OS/2 that live there now. (They don't necessarily need to
>    co-exist if thats not possible).

I think that most PC UN*Xes now adays can coexist w/ other OS's in peace.

>    I don't want to pay $1,000 or more for the system as I would have
>    to for most commercial versions.

Neither did I!

>    However I can manage the $99 for Coherent. So the free versus the
>    $99 in Coherent versus Linux is not an issue as far as I am
>    concerned. What I wouls appreciate is  a comparison of the two
>    systems, features, tools, ease of use, compatibility, support etc.
>    In particular the ability to use standard unix stuff intended for
>    the commercial UNIX's found all over the Net.

Well, I don't want to start OS wars, because they are a waste of bandwith!
ANYWAY, IMHO :

  I like both systems.  Linux has GNU cc, GNU Emacs, and X-Windows.  This
is what I really wanted, so I switched from Coherent.  Coherent has promised
these things, but I really couldn't wait.  Coherent had great docs, and 
everything I tried to compile compiled ok.  As for Linux (although I have
only had it for a few weeks), I found that things change too fast.  It's
somewhat harder to get things running because the kernel keeps changing.
I guess it comes down to this: if I were doing commerical software 
development, or if I knew little about UN*X, I would go for Coherent.
However, being well versed in UN*X sysadmin tasks, I can debug problems with
Linux realtively easily.  On my Linux system, I can do work for school in
ANSI C (no ANSI C compiler on Coh.) and use the tools that I am used to.
That's enough for now.  When I outgrow Linux, I will probably switch to 
Univel, if it is in my price range.

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From: burley@apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Craig Burley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SCSI WORM Support?
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:40:10
Organization: Free Software Foundation 545 Tech Square Cambridge, MA 02139
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Somebody's selling a used WORM drive, an 800MB one, along with some
cartridges.  This might be really helpful for my project (GNU Fortran),
even though I have a 1.2GB disk, I have lots of archival data I want
to keep around (just in case someone sues me saying I ripped GNU Fortran
off of them, I can show how it developed over the past several years).

Info I have so far:

Storage Dimensions (Maxtor RXT 800 HS) WORM
External 800 MB SCSI Drive

I already have an Adaptec AHA-1740 with one Maxtor PO-12S drive, so
presumably I could just install this WORM as Target 1 or something.

But, I'm not sure whether that'll really work from a hardware/driver
perspective, and...I'm pretty sure WORM drives need a special file
system especially with regards writing data to them.  Or, at least a
driver so I could write successive .tar.Z files to a cartridge or
something.

Any info on this?  It's not in the FAQ that I have on my system right now.

BTW, I'm willing to do the coding of a new driver or filesystem to
accommodate WORM if I can be assured of getting the basic technical
info I need.

        tq vm, (burley)
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From: wto@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (William T. O Connell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: [Q's] After SLS installation...
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:56:32 GMT
Organization: PC peripheral operational services group

In article <1993Jan06.094305.587@donau.et.tudelft.nl> anto@dutetvc.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto) writes:
>Hi Linuxer's, as followup of my mail (SLS 0.98pl5):
>
>>[Q2] After doing HALT appears on the screen:
>>     "cannot exec /etc/umount, trying umount"  but you can shutdown
>>     normally. 
>
>[NOT YET]

move umount from /bin to /etc -or- create a sym link.

>>[Q3] Can anybody tell me line-by-line how to install LILO with OS/2
>>     boot manager? I've compiled LILO 0.7 but don't know how to
>>     install it.
>
>Well, I did read LILO Quick Start. It is installed in my /dev/hda2, and
>it boots. But then I got "panic: cannot mount root". Any idea?

Did you tell lilo what partition root is on?

>Another [Q's]
>
>[Q4] Trying to compile kernel got problem with CDROM (inode.c, I have
>     not CDROM), even when I told "make config" w/o CDROM. I deleted
>     lines about CDROM in inode.c, it compiles until finds error in
>     tcpip.c. Any suggestions?

Did you apply linus's patch for inode.c? (not sure what version of
the source your compiling)


>[Q5] ELM 2.3: 
>     -Got error "can't open folder in /usr/spool/mail/user"
>      if I login as user and started ELM. Why?
>     -How can you use emacs-15.39 as your ELM editor? I dont like VI.

'user' doesn't have permissions to write to /usr/spool/mail.

>
>[Q6] UUCP: Anybody got UUCP working? Mine's gave segmentation fault.
>     And how do you have to configure Dialers? I was using UUCP for
>     OS/2, it's different...

get latest source and compile with -fwritable_strings option.


- Bill O'Connell  wto@ihlpx.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rahard@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: New curses in the works
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:25:26 GMT

Okay. Could someone post/upload it somewhere ? Please...

I really need to compile curses stuff.
I am trying to compile a program called "cterm", and various defines
and functions are missing.

-- buid
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: [BUG] Problems with ps 0.99.2
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:40:26 GMT

bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us (Bill Jones) writes:

>Just tried to run a number of shell scripts which depend heavily upon the
>`c' flag in ps.  It turns out that in the ps taken from HJ's 0.99.2 rootdisk
>the c flag is absent.  This causes shell scripts containing such things as

>	while ps auxc | grep uucico > /dev/null
>	do
>		sleep
>	done

>to fail.  Instead of passing through with no effect when uucico is not
>running, this will always produce output of `grep uucico' and will therefore
>sleep forever.  So all of my uucp cleanup scripts are now not working.  Is there
>a workaround to this problem?  Thanks,

Certainly - use
while ps aux | grep uucico | grep -v grep > /dev/null

instead.
it's a bit safer that way.


Enjoy !

Cos !

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From: janl@ifi.uio.no (Jan Nicolai Langfeldt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: gcc 2.3.3 & libc.so.4.2
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:36:23 GMT
Organization: Folkeaksjonen for gjeninsettelse av Revolvermagasinet
Originator: janl@maud.ifi.uio.no


In article <1993Jan9.023003.12742@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk>, a080700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Stephen Wong S M) writes:
> Would any wise guy to summarize what should be done (in steps) to get
> gcc 2.3.3 & libc.so.4.2 installed?

1. Follow H.J.Lu's instructions to the letter (they were spelled out
   in the announcement)
2. Congratulate yourself on a successfull instalation

> Would you mind to tell what binaries will not work anymore if I install
> libc.so.4.2 and if possible what's the remedy?

All mine worked afterwards.

> I heard about using emacs to edit binary files, is it the only method?

Emacs is exelent for binary editing :). Just make sure you don't
change the length of anything (put something in for all the bytes you
delete, and don't add any bytes). And be sure to keep a backup of the
program >:)

Nicolai

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From: saxena@hal.COM (Nirmal Saxena)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux (0.98 SLS) does not recogonize 20 Meg Memory Config.
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:59:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: fast.hal.com


In order to run X windows I installed additional 16Mbytes (4 4meg sims)
of memory to my 486Dx/33Mhz system which already had 4 Mbytes of memory
(4 1Meg simms). My AMI BIOS setup recognizes 20 Mbytes of memory but the
linux (SLS 0.98 distribution) operating system recognizes only 16 Mbytes of
memory. My configuration was 4M in bank0 and 16M in bank 1. Suspecting
that linux does not support holes in memory space I tried 16M in bank 0 and 
4 M in bank 1, even then only 16 Megabytes were recogonized.

I will appreciate any help or pointers in this regard.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wolff@erasmus.et.tudelft.nl (Rogier Wolff)
Subject: Re: DOS emulation
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 16:57:58 GMT

joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:

>doesn't like the (current) VC scheme.  To really get things running,
>so that DOS processes that like to use the entire video card (not to
>mention X) can run either in the background or on a non-selected VC
>(which, as you mention, is basically the same thing), the VC code
>would have to emulate the entire video card, not just the text buffer.

Once X is running it only fiddles with the registers to swap windows to
the frame memory. This should be easy enough to emulate?

						Roger
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle)
Subject: Re: quick q
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 19:54:55 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1993Jan6.080443.10051@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wto@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (William T. O Connell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.071608.4248@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:
>>
>>1.  when i boot up linux using the floppy disk, i see the following messages:
>>	Warning WD8013 board not found at i/o = 280.
>>	ioctl: invalid argument
>
>The warning is normal (assuming you don't have a ethernet card installed).
>ioctl? (haven't seen before - are you doing anything special in your rc file?)
>Let someone else comment on the invalid argument.
>
I too get the ioctl: invalid argument message at bootup.  After trying
unsuccessfuly to configure my system for tcp/ip I went ahead and downloaded
the SLS tcpip.taz and used it as a basis for my configuration (I changed the
domain/host names and left the numbers alone).  Having done this, I now get
the ioctl message.  Ftp works now, though.  Telnet has problems with login
(I get the login: usage message and have to ^C out of it), but afm works.

Hope this helps narrow down the possibities some.

Jean.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli)
Subject: Re: making file system (quick)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 08:32:15 GMT

ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) writes:
	...
>i tried to make file system but it doesn't work.
>i have a 110MB harddisk and i use the whole thing as one partition for LINUX
>then i did: mkfs /dev/hda1 147700 (something like that)
>and it said that the limit of the number of blocks is 65535.

It is, for the default Minix filesystem.

>so how can i utilize the whole hard disk for linux?
>do i have to make several partitions?

Either that, or use the extended filesystem, which, however, is still
considered to be in alpha-test by its author.  Amongst its advantages,
besides large partitions, are long filenames (Minix filesystem is
limited to 14 character filenames); among its disadvantages, allegedly,
are possibble unreliability, and slower performance than the Minix
filesystem (I'm using it exclusively, and have had no problems nor
unacceptable performance on my speedy machine, but, there are no
guarantees - still, you'll be fine if you backup regularly:-).  Please
don't mail to ask how to get the extended filesystem, just look in
the alphatest directory or whatever ftp-server you're getting
Linux from, under some monicker such as "efs*"...


Alex
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
Subject: Re: It's installed, now what?  (was Re: A flight of marketing fancy)
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc. / Waltham, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:24:14 GMT

pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald) writes:
>I think Linux will eventually get around to satisfying people of your
>ilk.  That is, non-hacker end user just trying to balance the
>checkbook and write a letter.  

You misinterpret my own background:  I'm a hacker with a long background
of developing portable software.  But I don't want to use a lot of my
spare time doing it, particularly just to get YAU (yet another Unix) up
and running.  If I'm to spend my spare time working on YAU, I'd like to
be doing it in coordination with other engineering folks who are working
on a cohesive plan.  If there is such a group of people cooperating on
Linux development, I'd certainly like to learn more about that circle.

>But first, there is a huge crowd of able bodied and capable unix
>literate users that Linux will appeal to, and they are the primary
>target.  Why?  Because they are actually capable of contributing to
>the improvement of the system.  So you can almost think of this
>as a recruitment drive.

I think this approach is limiting.  It has led to such monumental
efforts as MIT Project Athena which have produced far fewer spinoffs
than were originally intended.  (How many people here know that X
Window is *not* an Athena spinoff?  Or that the Athena environment
still runs in exactly one place--the MIT campus?)  What ends up
happening is you have a hacker's system written by hackers for other
hackers, and since the lusers who rely on primitive software like MS
Word and Excel don't matter anyway, the system never strives toward a
goal behind hackerdom.

>When most major problems are solved, the "I don't really care how it
>works" crowd can be serviced.

Systems as complex as Linux are never "finished".  There will always be
yet another major problem ready and waiting for the hackers to pursue.
Should that stop the system itself from reaching beyond its present
boundaries?  I hope not.

>Until then, you may want to stick with DOS/WINDOWS, painful
>as it may be.

Hopefully I have more to contribute than that...  It's tempting to at
least research the difficulty of writing a Windows-capable DOS emulator.
It's certainly possible--VP/ix does it.

-rich
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: efs use with 340/677 mb esdi ?
Organization: 3-B Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:56:51 GMT

I'm starting to seriously consider replacing my Consensys V4 system software
with the latest & greatest Linux release.  However, I'm not all that confident
that the extended file system will support these larger drives.

Is there anyone with experience/exposure to using such large drives,
which are ESDI based?  could you share your insight/experiences?

thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: marc@r-node.pci.on.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: Re: HD: write_intr errors during SLS install
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:49:28 GMT

In article <G2K0KHT@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> ckurs-2@orville.uni-mainz.de (Dominik Kubla) writes:
>I experienced the same and called for suggestions to summarize them for the faq,
>but for no nothing arrived in my post box :-(
>
>But i solved the problem for my RLL drive:
>1. I called the routines for low level formatting (in my case the controller
>bios :-) but i think something like the Ontrack disk manager might do it as well)
>2. then i entered the bad block list provided by the manufacturer.
>3. i reformatted the drive and the controller managed to skip the bad spots ...
>
>There was also an earlier posting (in November i think), which provided an awk
>script to convert the bad block list to the format needed by mk(e)fs, but i was
>not able to retrieve that article ...
>

	I think (am almost positive) this is in the FAQ.  If you add the 
-c qualifier to both mk(e)fs, it will test for and mark badblocks.  

marc
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From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: New curses in the works
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:33:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <C0Dz4A.KEK@austin.ibm.com> jstump@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (John E. Stump) writes:
>I am in the process of porting Curtis Pavel's (sp?) ncurses (also known
>as pcurses) library to Linux. Most of the work involves porting the
>sgtty interface to the termios interface. This library is more System
>V'ish than the current Linux curses. There is keypad support, etc. I
>also plan on adding color support.
>
>The stumbling block I forsee is that the package uses the terminfo
>database instead of termcap that is currently used in Linux. Although
>all the terminfo data and source needed is included in the ncurses
>package, I was wondering what the Linux users group thinks about
>terminfo.

My mail bounced too (different address)!



I, amongst other people, have been working on ncurses. It IS ported to Linux
in the sense it compiles AND runs. It still has bugs in screen updates, unless
programs utilizing curses are written incorrectly. I've made hooks for color
support and graphic characters.
Terminfo is not a stumbling block, it is more powerful then termcap, can exist
with termcap, and is easier to use.
I can send you me copy or upload it to sunsite.

Zeyd

>
>Can terminfo and termcap coexist? Is it wise? Would it be better for
>Linux to shy away from termcap and go to terminfo? Should I just modify
>the package to use termcap instead? What does POSIX say about termcap vs
>terminfo?
>
>Sorry for the deluge of questions, but I wanted to check with the group
>first.
>
>thanks
>
>john.
>
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