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From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: RE: STRAW POLL RESULTS:  The Legion of...well, you know.
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:58:44 GMT
Organization: McGill University

>
>Votes to keep the LNH in r.a.c.misc.:
>
>dani@netcom.com
>REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
>lawrence@ctron.com
>jl24jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
>scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au
>jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu
>kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
>maguire@zappa.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
>kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu
>dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV
>lucke@plains.NoDak.edu
>barnejd@WKUVX1.BITNET
>krupski@ravel.udel.edu
>sample3d@everclear.berkeley.edu
>mre@kepler.unh.edu
>003695s@ace.acadiau.ca
>ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU
>JLMILLER@hamp.hampshire.edu
>ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu
>
>For a total of 21 votes
>(My tally showed 22 votes, so I've lost one somewhere)
>
That was me. :)

Seriously, LNH proves one thing, some people can write some people can't
or at very least not with a style that has wide appeal.  Drizzt can
write.  B. J. Pierce can write.  As for the rest of the people in the
LNH ... I just don't see the point in flaming people after they've gone
to a lot of trouble to write a good story (regardless of how bad it
might be IMO).

My take on the LNH is that regardless of whether or not everyone agrees
as to whether it is on topic, it seems to me that if a full third of
the people on this newsgroup thinks they belong then that's good
enough.  That is, after all, a lot of people and those who enjoy LNH
stories obviously spend much more time reading them then it would take
someone who doesn't like them to type 'n' or PF11 or simply scan the
subject lines.

Personally, when I write stories (not strictly LNH but I've had some
encouragement nevertheless), I'll just put them on alt.comics.lnh.  If
someone wants me to email my stories to them, then I'll do so.  That's
my solution.  I still don't see how you can expect to stop other people
from posting your stories here.  Given that the stories themselves are
(regardless of whether they're "good" or not) original, I fail to see
why anyone would want to.

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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:30:52 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <BxvzLx.EL3@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>Despair remembers first, in her flashback right at the end of the first
>issue... remember, it's right after Desire picks up Del at the nightclub.
>Then Del remembers while Dream is kibbitzing with Desire, and, most
>recently, we've had Dream musing about Optics.

>The order going, basically, 5 - 7 - 3, is at half of the Endless who can
>have flashbacks about Destruction. (I rate Despair and Desire tied at #5,
>them being twins, and all). With Destruction at #4, that means we either climb
>the scale (most likely to #2, since anything Destiny remembers would probably
>be *too* important), or we slide down to the other 5, Desire. Or, we get a
>personal flashback from Mr. Prodigal, himself.

While *expect* is probably too strong a word, (:-)) I wouldn't be
surprised if the remaining 4 go in this order:

Something nice from Death
Something surprising From Desire (I.E., she had nothing to do with The
Prodigal's Departure)
A *big surprise* from Destruction (I have no idea what this could be,
but I'd always be happy to be surprised)
A epilogue from Destiny.

Just Guessing,
Andrew.
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Superman #75 SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:36:30 GMT

Oh yeah.... Superman dies in this issue!




-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted, Captian Nida", Darth Vader
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:48:58 EST

In article <1992Nov17.143000.17536@husc3.harvard.edu>, silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
> I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
> comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
> small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. So far, I've
> thought of:
[list deleted]

Charlton advertised a Blue Beetle #6, but the title was cancelled
with #5.  A picture of the cover of 6 is shown in a house ad in #5.
The story was aparantly finally published in a charlton fanzine later.

Mark Balbes

p.s. There's a heck of a lot of comics that are promised that never
come out.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: Robin III
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:56:02 GMT

In article <75894@hydra.gatech.EDU> jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:
>What's the deal with issue number 3?  It was on someone's list for
>comics coming out this week, but I never saw  it.  What did I miss?
>
>Any answers would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>
>-- 
>DE LA COVA,JORGE
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jd53
>Internet: jd53@prism.gatech.edu

Robin III #2 just came out this past week (Nov. 18-20), right on schedule
according to DC's solicitation. #3 isn't due out until Dec. 2-4, depending
on what day your store gets its shipment in.

cheers,
	ast
From: fhuang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (EL FUMON)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: the Stranger
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:52:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


   So what exactly is the "Stranger's" story (Marvel, cosmic powered
character)? I remembering some of his appearances in Silver Surfer and
I think the Living Tribunal once rebuked him (Stranger) with something 
like "you were supposed to have been this face" indicating the side of his 
head that is fully shrouded. Anyone know anymore about him?

-bogueman


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From: lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Direct Currents - Stanley and His Monsters
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:10:28 GMT

If you get a chance, pick up a copy of Direct Currents #59, DC's preview
sheet. Along with two pictures of Death (McKean and Bachalo) is a 
full page preview for Stanley and His Monster, Phil Foglio's latest
DC mini-series.

I don't know if this will appear anywhere else, but the picture of 
Phil trying to sell the idea of S&HM to DC editor is great. Kinda
sums up the comics industry. Certainly well worth the cost of Direct
Currents, which is free.

Stanley and His Monster is a 4-part mini-series that starts the third
week of December. From what I've seen of the first issue, it's really 
funny stuff.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: SIDE NOTE ON "DOOMSDAY"
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:34:23 GMT

In article <722351731.1@fquest.FidoNet> Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) writes:
>Neil: "In that case, the answer is 'no'. After all, Death wouldn't be there
>       unless he was *really* dead. Next question?"
>...so I guess we can assume Death's appearance at the end of "The End" means
>that the 30th Century Earth and those 2 billion-plus that were left behind
>are, in fact, toast.

No.  It means we can assume that if/when they bring the Earth back, Neil
Gaiman is going to complain. :-)

Of course this is another argument against using Death in LSH in the first
place.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikEscutia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Date: 14 Nov 1992 21:58:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <Bxq48z.HFG@cs.dal.ca> castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE) writes:
>flames on low please.
>
>Since alt.comics.lnh is regarded as a bogus newsgroup by
>SysAdministrators due to ... complications, the formation
>of rec.arts.comics.lnh might be an option.

To quote Cliff Seward, a.k.a. The Rocketeer:  "I *like* it!"
Let's do it!
						--MikE


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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:57:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.065902.10647@kpc.com> cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney) writes:
>
>Am I the only one who would like to see Gaiman write an issue where
>Death meets Superman?  Alan Moore's brushes with the Myth of Steel have
>whetted my appetite for what can be done with him in the proper hands.
>
Actually, Gaiman has already written a 'Death of Superman' story. The story
never got published because just before he submitted it, the nature of
the relationship between Superman and Hal Jordan was retconned, and the
plot depended on them being close friends who knew each other's secret IDs.
DC asked him to rewrite it, and he refused. So it was never published.

The story ends with Superman and Hal going to Hell (Neil didn't say why),
at which point Superman freaks out several hundred feet above the ground
because he can see far too much of the horrors of hell than is really good
for him with his telescopic vision, with Hal Jordan hanging on to Supe's
foot for dear life trying to snap him out of it...

Mike
From: romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:19:25 GMT
Distribution: na

lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>Brief Lives is (was?) scheduled to run through Sandman #49. It started with 
>#41 so that would be Part 9. However, from what I get out of the Distributor's
>blurbos, something big does happen in in Sandman #47.

CBG's upcoming comics list mentioned that #47 or #48 was the "family reunion",
when Dream finally finds Destruction. I can't remember which one it was,
and my copy CBG is gone now.
-- 
	- john romkey	  ELF Communications	 romkey@ELF.com
From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.faber.722192982
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) akhale@pollux.usc.edu 
>(Abhijit Khale) and tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) 
>collecting Bat-women deleted - the list includes:
>Selina Kyle, Vicki Vale, Talia, Julie Madison, Linda Page, Kathy Kane,
>Silver St. Cloud, and Nocturna.

	Anyone remember the Amerind woman from the first LotDK story?
>
>But my point is, where are any of these women now?  In the Post Crisis,
>Selina, Vicki and Talia are they only ones left, and I still think
>Selina is the most important.

	I see no reason that the Julie and Silver relationships don't exist
	post-Crisis, since those romances ended painfully, and never showed
	signs of reappearing.  In fact if Silver is ruled
	out-of-continuity, I may scream.  Kathy Kane is problematical 
	(I went to high school with a Kathy Kane, if anyone cares) because 
	of the whole BatWoman thing.  Nocturna's history changed with Jason's
	so I doubt she's on the list anymore, and frankly I'm drawing a blank
	on Linda.

>Selina is the most important.  Just a preferrence on my part.  Vicki is
>downright annoying, Lois Lane complex and all, and Talia always reminds me
>of a bad B-movie.  Sorry Denny. 

	I always liked Denny's impression of the Talia-Batmanrelationship.
	See the Batman annual in the Parables set (which crossed over into the
	Green Arrow and Question Annuals that year, 1988, I think).  It
	explains to me as well as anything why Batman doesn't have serious
	relationships with women.

	Vicki Vale was created for the movie, near as I can tell, and
	whenever possible I ignore her existence.

>                                 I mean, I did enjoy "Son of the Demon"
>but it wasn't what I wanted really.

	Is SotD "official" or not?  Anyone know?

>                                     I guess I'll always hold out for
>the Bat and the Cat.  Their relationship is just much more FUN.  Talia
>is so......  improbable.

	As opposed to Batman?  :-)
>
>just my .02
>
>Lady Johanna Constantine 

"The best index to a person's character is a) how he treats people who can't 
 do him any good and b) how he treats people who can't fight back."
   -- Abigail Van Buren

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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:14:44 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Nov16.225226.11835@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.204724.21469@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099) writes:
 
>> Our stories are comic related, thus they can very well be
>>in a comic miscellaneous news.group.
 
> 	I disagree with this.  LNH stories are "superhero" related, and 
> "comics" and "superheroes" are not one and the same.

He raises a good point here, one which I'm going to risk being flamed
and deal with since no one else has yet.  The LNH *is* about comics. 
It is fiction about comic books, comic personalities (Liefeld,
McFarlane, and Harras have all appeared), comic cliches, etc.  It is a
parody of comic books and the comics industry.  It has as much place
here, as one poster pointed out, as take-offs on quotes (the "666:
Mark of the Beast" thread) or "what I'd do to DeFalco if I could get
my hands around his neck" posts do.  To ban LNH would necessitate
banning these as well.

> Yes, superheroes did originate in comic books,
> and much of the rhetoric and style of LNH stories is derived from the rhetoric
> and style of comic books--  but they're not in any shape or form _about_
> comics.

We're not about superheroics either.  Read the introduction in the
FAQ.  "LNH is not superheroics..."

> 	That's why I proposed the creation of an LNH fiction newsgroup, rather
> than a comics.lnh newsgroup as a posible solution to this problem.  I just 
> don't think these stories belong in the comics hierarchy.

  As Scav pointed out, we simply don't have the proven staying power
to justify a rec group at this point.

-Drizzt
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: thor
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:06:58 GMT

In article <!qjqfsh@lynx.unm.edu> djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young) writes:
>I hope that there will be a lot of Asgard adventures, but with
>Jim Starlin writing I think old Thor is going to be doing a lot of space
>travelling.

Let me get this straight.  Beta Ray Bill is in space ...  Thor is in space ...
Do you think?...  Could it be ...  Maybe, just maybe ...

					Ron
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:20:39 GMT


Quite an interesting range of replies (okay spare one!) :-)

Anyhow, I always thought that the ELSEWORLDS series would take
familiar characters and put them in new environments, yet keeping
some sort of parallel with the original character.

So that you can look at the new story and say "Hey, the 'Batman' 
from the Wild West is a lot like the 'Batman' of Gotham City!!"

Perhaps this was a quality lacking in the Robin 3000 storyline.

Hopefully BLUE, GREY & BAT will be better.  Though I didn't think
they had to stick so religiously close to the original Bat-costume
to make it "Western-like".

Some dude with a mask and a little bat on his lapel would've done
just fine.

Greg
.
From: hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH, RACM, ACL, etc...
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:35:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boynton.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov17.040936.23110@news.acns.nwu.edu>, cgilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Gilmore) writes:
>   As for rac.fanfic, or whatever you wish to call it, it's a plain out stupid
> idea.  The quantity of fiction posted on the entire RAC* hierarchy certainly
> wouldn't justify it.


I think an rac.archive (fanfic) would be a good idea. I don't think that 
this sort of thing belongs on racm.  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:17:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.174056.8601@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.013219.28499@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>(208-9) with Art Cover. He wrote the story for Detective #567, a very funny
>>story about the worst night in Batman's life.
>
>Well, hardly the *worst* night.  You might consider a certain night when his
>parents took him to see ZORRO as a better candidate, for example. . .  But
>a very frustrating night.

Nope, that was carefully phrased. It was the worst night of Batman's life,
not Bruce Wayne's. Although probably the death of Jason Todd would take that
first one now.
>There was the adaptation of his Outer Limits episode DEMON WITH THE GLASS
>HAND, which appeared as a Marvel GN about five years back,

Um, it was a DC GN; DC was doing a line of sf/fantasy story adapation GNs
at the time. Art by Marshall Rogers.

>and there was a "dial-H-for-Hero" comic with a Harlan-designed hero in it.

I believe it was Adventure #479, the first of the Dial H revival (i.e.
not Robby Reed but Chris'n'Vickie (no relation to the Chris'n'Vickie in
rec.music.gaffa)). I forget the name of the character (I want to write Silver
Ghost, but that was the Freedom Fighters villain), but it had the tag caption
"Created by Harlan Ellison, age 46, Sherman Oaks, CA", moderately amusing
among all the age 12s in the other captions. Didn't hurt that he's good 
friends with Marv Wolfman...hmm, wonder if he still has his Dial H t-shirt
for that.
>...until someone offered him a copy of DOOMSMAN...)

Oooo, not a pretty sight. Did the shredded paper get on anyone?

"You people veer dangerously close to sanity. But fortunately, you never quite
make it all the way there." --Harlan Ellison on MIT (and to anyone else who
was in the MIT Chapter of the Yale Precision Marching Band at the Harvard-Yale
game of '82 [not the balloon, those were the *other* guys], happy 10th
anniversary from Fearless Leader)
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:26:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.015601.24988@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>> 
>> It isn't tough.  The vote stands at 32-6 now.  If the opinion against LNH is
>> strong enough, I will raise a formal CFV for a policy change to the r.a.c.m.
>> charter.
>
>Umm, I'm sorry, but you can't.  Net regulations.
>
>I'm sure Hades will be more than happy to fill you in on the details, but
>the deal is that you first must have a RFD (crossposted to news.groups),
>then a CFV a month after that, and then the results of the CFV a month
>after.
>
>Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
>A "no fanfic" rule?

I know how to set up a CFV, sir.  I didn't think that a detailed description
was necessary to point out something known by most readers here.

Yep, "no fanfic".  Sounds good to me.

How about this?  Rec.arts.comics.fanfic.  Then all this LNH crap would also
be off-topic in r.a.c.misc.

In any case, as the numbers pile up it looks like a better and better idea all
the time.  The vote is 40-12.

>-- 
>			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
>			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
>			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
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From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The not-so-Fantastic Four
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:51:12 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:


>    Has anyone else REALLY gotten sick of the new Fantastic Four's writing?  
>    
>    ESPECIALLY Sue Storm? 

Yep. I was a regular reader from #149 - the beginning of Defautly^H^H^H^Hlco's
reign.  I even have *most* of the Moench issues (they were *real* bad)
but I just could not stomach TDeF's "I can make any character 2 dimensional"
writing. Oh well, at least now I'll be able to read _Thor_.

>    How do they expect me to swallow the sudden "Grim and Grittization"(tm)
>of the characters?  Sue Storm's being affected by her double and Iron Man and
>Reed Richards, the first two possessed in fact, not being affected is just 
>plain stupid.  Her new costume ALONE is grounds for immediate dissmissal.  The
>Fantastic Four has always been a book based on a family unit working together,
>and the trials they go through.  How much you bet the new "Bitchy Sue" and the
>same old Reed Richards divorce sometime soon?  I'll bet even money Reed gets
>Franklin...

While I don't think a costume (however bad) is grounds for dismissal from
the FF, that is *NOT* a costume that Sue Richards would *EVER* consent to
wearing (much less design!!).

They did the divorce thing a couple hundred issues ago.  I *don't* think
it would be a very interesting story if they do it now (ie while Defalco
writes the FF).

			James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]