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From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Subject: "Lap Lizard" summary (was Re: Swimming/Leaping Lizards!...)
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:51:20 GMT

In article <simonb.724214298@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, simonb@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Simon Blomberg) writes:
> 
> laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut) writes:
> 
> >Is this true of other lizards, such as monitors, etc.?  I'm still looking 
> >into getting my BIG "lap-dog" LIZARD, and this sounded interesting.
> 
> >-- 
> >Bill Laut			Internet:  laut@alien.gici.com
> >Gull Island Consultants, Inc.	Phone:     (616) 780-3321
> >Muskegon, MI  49440		>> "Usual disclaimers, apply within" <<

Did you ever post the promised summary of responses to your original
inquiry about large lizards?  Did I miss it?  Could you send me a copy,
if so?  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: mikeh@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Michael Herman)
Subject: Re: About escapes...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.233028.13209@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> willeyr@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Rebecca E Willey ) writes:
>I don't know if this helps, but once my lizard was lounging on the dashboard in the sun, and I got out for a second, and when I cqame back, she was gone.
>
>I thought she'd somehow gotten out of the car when I opened the door, and
>we searched the yard for an hour or so, and finally I gave up.  Then, depressed
>at Roy Rogers, I heard noises from inside my dash!  It was Cleo!  I was
>ecstatic, but I couldn't find her for the life of me... she was in there
>somewhere.  So I left her in there overnight with misgivings, since once it got
>cold she stopped moving, and I couldn't look well in the dark.  The next
>morning, I heard her scrabbling in the VENTS... so I got behind my stereo,
>grabbed the part where all the dash vents come together, and popped
>it from the connection.  I shook it briskly, and slooop!  Out she popped,
>dusty but okay.
>
>So I guess my advice is look in the ventilation system. :)
>
>And don't give up!
>
>Becca

well I cant get to the ventilitoin system, I cant get the 
dashh board off!!!     

Of course snakes dont make any noise...

my plan right now is to wait till spring and hope
she in the truck and survivies...

then put a mousie in a wire cage in the truck and hope she
goes for it.  I have no idea how to get her after she eats but
at least she will be alive and she is tame.

At least this wasant a 700 buck tropical snake  :):)

JC
From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Wood shavings
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:03:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1gecneINNffc
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: euclid.uoregon.edu


I'd suggest you avoid wood shavings completely; they can get caught in
the throat and cause purely mechanical respiratory problems, independent of
the type of wood.

A lot of pet stores sell a substrate made of dried corncobs, which is pretty
wonderful---it clusters around dampness and feces, which makes for nice, easy
cleaning.

	NT
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: tmason@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Mason)
Subject: Re: HELP: Iguana problem!
Organization: NCR Corp, CCSD, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.151743.17413@athena.mit.edu> hoffmann@athena.mit.edu 
(Ron M. Hoffmann) writes:
>Our department mascot Iggy displays hostile behaviour
>when shown a picture of him(her?)self.  Iggy tries to
>bite, hisses, and does the head-bobbing thing.

Doctor, Doctor!  I get a stabbing pain when I lift my arm like this.

"Well, don't lift your arm like that."

Perhaps you forgot to change the subject line.  If your serious about solving
this problem, try taking another snapshot.  Maybe you didn't catch his 
good side in your picture.i

:-)  
his bad side. 

-- 
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Tim Mason
Tim.Mason@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: fff@fns-nc1.fns.com (Fred Farzanegan)
Subject: Need basilisk info
Keywords: lizard, basilisk
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:35:28 GMT


For Christmas, I've ordered two captive born green basilisks.
They should arrive next week.  I've kept a variety of iguanas 
and other lizards and now have about 20 snakes.

Does anyone have any SPECIFIC knowledge on keeping basilisks.
I have a general idea, but would be interested in knowing
ideal humidity, temperature, photoperiod, substrate, etc.

I plan on feeding them insects and pinkies.  Does anyone have any 
other info on what they like to eat?

Please reply to: fff@fns-nc1.fns.com

Thanks!
happy herping!

-fred-

Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Black ratsnakes
Summary: A long day light cycle stimulates rat snakes to eat in winter
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:51:28 GMT

A previous post on this subject said that a recently caught black rat 
snake wasn't eating.  I have been told that a fox snake (_Elaphe vulpina_)
wouldn't eat in the winter but started after getting a light cycle with
a long day length.  And a recent post said basically the same thing about
a young corn snake (_E. guttata_).  A 2 foot long vitalite outside the 
snake's cage (aquarium?) on 14 hours a day should be about right.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Subject: My iguana hates me already :(
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:47:05 GMT


	Help! I recently (last week) bought an iguana, and I'm kind of confused
about how to develop a good relationship with it. I bought a book that suggested
I should basically do nothing but feed and water him for the first 2-4 weeks,
before even attempting to acclimate him to human contact. Somehow that doesn't
make a lot of sense to me, especially since he was a very calm animal when I got
him from the store. So I have been trying to talk to him for at least 15-30
minutes a day, and occasionally (every other day or so) pick him up for a while.
THIS IS NOT WORKING!!

	While he doesn't seem to even care if I want to clean or rearrange
things in his tank, if I try to pick him up, he begins to go into a defensive
posture and whip his tail around. This, I would imagine, is not good for him or
me. Lately, he has even done this twice when I just look at him from outside the
tank. So I guess my question comes down to: Should I give him a "cooling off"
period to adjust to his new home, and just not even touch him for the next
couple weeks, or should I attempt to continue picking him up every so often
under the assumption that he will get used to it eventually? At this point, I'm
about ready to take him back to the store.

	Is this an omen of things to come? If I mess up now, am I going to have
a 6 ft. long reptile with a bad attitude in the future? I don't think my
apartment is big enough for that :).

	Extra info: He seems to be eating fine, his color looks pretty good (to
me, but what do I know), and he's shedding enough that I'm thinking of making a
wallet. I've been feeding lots o' veggies, about equal amounts of Romaine
lettuce, with a little fruit on the side, all topped off with a sprinkling of
that incredibly appetizing calcium/mineral supplement stuff.

-- 
Walter Hunt					walter@optimla.optimage.com
OptImage Interactive Services Company, L.P.	walter@optimla.aimla.com
11040 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite #300		netcom!optimla!walter
Los Angeles, Ca. 90025				(310) 445-5718
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: willeyr@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Rebecca E Willey )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: newspapers [was Re: Corn Cob, Showers... ]
Keywords: cedar bad, corn and walnut good, showers swimming iggys
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:33:19 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

> You were in a town that didn't have newspapers?
I never liked newspapers, and neither did my iguanas.  Well I shouldn't say
that, it's just that the bedding works better, no lizard droppings smeared all
over and newsprint to worry about.

Bec
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 14:23:25 EST
From: <COP80208@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: About escapes...

After hearing of several escapes by my friends' snakes, I found some nylon
tie-down straps at K-Mart. They were about $1.50 each and they are long
enough to go all the way around my 10 and 29 gallon aquariums with lots of
strap to spare. They have spring loaded "buckles" that take almost no time
to fasten/unfasten. I'm not sure why, but they were in the boating section
if anyone is interested in finding them. I have had NO escapes while using
them.
Mike
From: hoffmann@athena.mit.edu (Ron M. Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: HELP: Iguana problem!
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:17:43 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


Our department mascot Iggy displays hostile behaviour
when shown a picture of him(her?)self.  Iggy tries to
bite, hisses, and does the head-bobbing thing.

When riled up, Iggy will even try to bite my finger
but only exhibits this kind of behaviour when inside
the tank.  Iggy never does this when free-roaming.

-Ron Hoffmann
 MIT Network Operations
From: jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: people interested in ordering herp. in the Phila.PA area
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:40:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I am planning on ordering a monitor lizard (haven't decided 
which breeder yet).  I was wondering if anyone in the Philadelphia
area was planning or was interested in placing an order as well
to save on the shipping costs (I was told the shipping by air freight
via the airlines will cost the same if I get one monitor or a few 8-).
	If not - do you think any of my local pet stores would be
interested in working out such a deal.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: ege@plains.NoDak.edu (Peter Jon Ege)
Subject: Iguana Ailment
Summary: Dark Brown spot on Iguana  ?Rash?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:07:59 GMT
Organization: Acme Inc.
Keywords: Iguana dark rash

My Iguana, who shall remain nameless for sake of anonymity, has developed a
dark brown rash type thing on his/her ventral(bottom) side just in front of
his hind legs and his anus.  I have had him for over a year and he has
always seemed in good health and very friendly.  Lately he/she has been
biting and I have seen him/her try to rub this area against a stick as if it
itched.

Can anyone suggest what the problem may be and perhaps a way to remedy it?
I am concerned.  E-mail welcomed.

Thanks very much.

Peter Jon Ege - ege@plains.NoDak.edu


Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Wood Shavings
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Think Global, Act Loco!
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:07:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.191313.4949@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
pingleto@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Mike "Speed Rancer" Pingleton) writes:

>I would consider corn cob an even worse risk of getting caught in a herp's
>throat.  The cob sticks to food items just as readily as shavings.  And after
>witnessing the agonized writhing of a boa with a piece of cob stuck in it's
>mouth, I believe the consequences are much worse.
>
[u.s.w.]
>
>Mike (I'm sticking to the funny papers) Pingleton
>

I hope you didn't mean that you use the Sunday Comics in your snake
cages... sorry to draw out this toxic-substrate topic, but coloured
sheets of newspaper often have poisonous materials (i.e., cyanide) in
their dyes.  Don't use 'em!  Black and white papers, or better yet
blank newsprint, is what you want...

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From: hdpjo@usho1a.hou281.chevron.com (D.P.Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Wood Shavings
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:41:04 GMT
Organization: Chevron

I currently have around 75 kingsnakes and every cage has pine shavings
for the substrate.  I've used pine shavings for the last 5 years without
a problem.  I am aware of one case where a brazilian rainbow boa had a
piece of aspen bedding lodged in its mouth. Has anyone had a problem
with a kingsnake or ratsnake?
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: hauch@cheme.washington.edu (Kip D. Hauch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Fee for pets in the cabin, Airline responds
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:57:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: 128.hauch-141292005704
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Univ. of Washington Dept. of Chemical Engineering

Last month I posted regarding the charges involved for 
transporting pets in the airline cabin.  Thank you for the several
replies that I have received.

In summary: many airlines will allow you to transport pets
along with your flight for a fee, nominally $50/each way.
Larger pets go in a special pressurized cargo bay, and require
special handling, hence the fee.  Some airlines will allow
small pets to be transported in the cabin as carry-on.  In this 
case no real SERVICE is provided; the kennel is just a 
carry-on piece you stow at your seat.  
HOWEVER, the $50/each way fee is still charged.

I challenged the airline to explain and justify this fee.  I posted
the letter here for those interested, and promised the airline
I would post their response as well when I received it.  Anyone
interested in seeing the original letter again, or wanting
further information on this topic please e-mail.

Here it is as promised:
QQQQQQQQQQ
Dear QQ-.

Thank you for your letter of November 19.  I sincerely regret that
you continue to be displeased with the fact that we charge a 
service fee for the transport of animals in our cabin.

Our goal at X Airlines is to be the carrier of distinct preference,
and customer feedback like yours is critical to our success.  While
we do not have any short-range plans to discontinue this fee, I
have shared your comments with our Director of Passenger Services
for consideration in future planning.

We truly appreciate the support you have shown X Airlines in the past.
I hope that we will have the continued privilege of serving you travel 
needs in the months and years ahead.

Sincerely,

JLD,
Supervisor, Customer Relations

QQQQQQQQQQQQQ
Of course  <sharing your comments with our Dir. of Pass. Services >
is a euphamism for: go away and stop bothering us.  It is nearly
word for word the reply I received from them two years ago
when I first brought this issue to them, and nothing has changed since.

Watch this space after the New Year for how you can help....
From: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Jessop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: bunny's new favorite food...
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:07:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu


Okay, now that a lot of people have posted all the bizarre things that
their bunnies eat (some of them actually eat MEAT? I'm amazed.  Reminds me
of a cult movie I saw once called "Night of the Lepus", about killer
bunnies...), I am kind of wondering if a vet or someone with some vet
training (Nancy? I don't know what your training is but you seem to be one
of the most authoritative bunny folks posting here) could tell us all how
much of this is harmful, and what absolutely NEVER to let a bunny eat. 
(Like how dogs must never eat chocolate) What are good treats, what are
once-in-a-while treats, and what won't hurt them if they get into it, but
we really shouldn't give it to them?  
BTW, I made some spinach and porcini risotto last night, went to get
some wine, ended up on the phone, and by the time I got back to the table
(probably no more than five minutes),
a third of my risotto was gone!  Pee-wee had jumped up on my chair, and
from there to the table, and had really gotten into _my_ dinner.  She
seems fine today, but it's really funny when they know they're doing
something wrong.  The minute she saw me in the doorway, she was
*outtathere*!  At least she had the presence of mind to jump back on the
chair first, instead of trying to make it straight to the floor! :)
Pee-wee's "ordinary" diet is raw oats or shredded wheat on her breakfast
(about 1-2 tbl. on top of her pellets) and a small carrot or 1/2 apple or
broccoli stalk or something leafy in the evening.  Then 1-3 vitakraft
yogurt drops when I put her to bed.  She has access to alfalfa cubes
daily, and usually to loose alfalfa too. (about 3 times a week.)She is a
mini-lop, and I don't know exactly how much she weighs, except to say that
she weighs less than her ten-pound bags of pellets!
Thanks for any tips (I just don't want to find her poisoned inadvertently
:( )
Anne Jessop
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: fat bunny
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:44:36 GMT

Our bunny has been looking a little well-rounded lately, too, and I've been
wondering about it, so I'm glad to see this string.

He basically has free access to pellets (not sure of the brand), some alfalfa
most days, and a carrot or other vegetable, also most days. I have a couple of 
questions: 1) I know alfalfa is fattening, but where can I get other kinds of
hay in metro Boston? (Ron, maybe you can help.) 2) How can you tell if a
rabbit is too fat? Frankie seems bigger than when he arrived, but to me it
usually just looks plush. 3)I think part of the problem is a lack of exercise;
he already has free run of most of the house, but chooses to lay around a lot.
How can I motivate him to move more? The only way I've been able to do it so 
far is to just chase him around until he goes under furniture. I've done this
once or twice to see if he becomes playful, but he seems more startled and 
annoyed. Any suggestions?

Thanks --

Marty and Frankie



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To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Subject: ferret problems
Organization: University of Delaware
	The other problem is even worse.  I can hold him and so keep
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:18:17 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Subject: ferrets
Followup-To: ferret noises 
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:31:27 GMT

	Please excuse this potential Repeat but I'm having trouble posting 
messages...
	Ferrets make the 'clucking' noises when they are happy and
playfull.  A hissing noise means (I think) defiance rather than
aggressiveness; sort of like a provoked warning growl in a dog.  It
doesn't mean they're going to do anything to you, it just means they don't
want You to do anything to Them.  I suppose ferrets can 'play-hiss' the
way dogs play-growl, tho.  I find my female Hava to be completely fearless, as
if she perceives herself as a very Large animal.  She can be quite
stubborn and hold her own in a battle of wills, looking me in the eye from
her 6" height and hissing when I tell her she can't go in the shower and
crawl down the drain.  However she has never been aggressive towards
anyone, even complete strangers who grab her by her tail and try to cuddle
and other stupid things.  My male, Cheerio, is completely different.  He's
easily cowed when given a stern "No", and is very shy of strangers; Hava
is definately the dominant one of the two.  But Cheerio can (and has) gone
after people with teeth bared, claws out, and fur standing straight up, in
swift and silent 'attack-ferret' mode, if he thinks either Hava or I are
threatened.  
	Wether these are typical male /female differences, I don't know. 
Strange are the ways of ferrets.....
                                                      Lisa
From: bacchus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Graham Linn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Renaming my new cat
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:46:42 GMT

I have recently adopted a young adult cat from the animal shelter, and I was
wondering if people have had problems in renaming their cats?  She is named
Ashley at the moment, but I don't know whether that really fits her or not.  I
suppose that I will know better after she is home with me but...
Also, my roomate's girlfriend has a friendly Dalmation, and I was wondering
if anyone has had real problems introducing cats to dalmations?  E-mail or
follow-up posts will both be read...

send to:
bacchus@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Scabbed Bunny Nose
Summary: Let the bunny do it.
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:33:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Dec15.144119.24831@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, fease@dkas.enet.dec.com (Andrea Midtmoen Fease) writes:

>      ...The problem now is that he has big scabs on his little nose.  He's been
> pulling them off when they've gotten big enough, but we can't help him because
> he is, of course, very sensitive in that area.
> 
>      Is there any way we can help him?  Warm water soaking?  Some kind of 
> ointment?

As long as there is no suggestion of infection or soreness apart from the scabs, let
nature take its course.  They'll fall off when they should (or the bun will scratch
them off) all in good time.  He's probably scratching at them because they itch as
they get close to being healed.

If the scabs are getting bigger because they are continuing to bleed, then you might
apply a bit of some anesthetic/antibiotic over-the-counter topical medicine with a
Q-tip to help them heal, but be careful to avoid anything that carries a warning
about being ingested.

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl