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From: brankin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.rankin)
Subject: Cynthia Rothrock (was:Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:19:59 GMT

In article <Bry4It.21L@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>We've given up watching him [Segal] at club movie nights; we've 
>replaced him with Cynthia Rothrock (still bad stories, but she's
>added a lot of gymnastic moves to her movies, and her co-stars are 
>good as well).
>
>Dakin
>burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

Hey Dakin,

Who's the guy who plays her sidekick in the "China Doll" movies?
This is the guy with the beard and the questionable 
aussi/new-zealand/somewhere-down-under accent.  My wife and I 
were watching the video a couple weeks ago and were impressed with him.

Now if only the production people hadn't done such a lousey job
with all the blatent speedups during the fight scenes.

blech.

-bill
From: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:33:05 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <1992Jul30.135714.22803@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>I know this has been asked before, but I'm getting close enough
>to write a check to start being nervous.  I want to open a non-commercial
>TKD studio.  I have a handle on a fairly nice facility (considering my
>budget it is a palace :-).  The owners require that I get insurance, which
>seems reasonable.
>
>The best price I have been able to come up with is 1 million liability
>for $956/yr.  I would like to do better if I can, because I want to
>be non-commercial so that folks that don't have so much money can
>participate, but in the end the costs do get passed back to the
>consumer.
>

NORTH CITY WEST INSURANCE SERVICES
DATA COMMAND CENTER
P.O. BOX 16798
SAN DIEGO, CA 92176-0798
(619) 565-6168

-Eric
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
From: ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Ken Shenkman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: What to learn in Tucson AZ
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:27:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


Hi,

I currently have a brown belt in Isshin Ryu and live in Rochester N.Y.
However, I'll be moving to Tucson in about a  month and I'm trying to
figure out what to do with regard to MA training. I hope to start an
Isshin Ryu "club" so I can maybe teach a few other people and keep up
my Isshin Ryu. Hopefully, after a while, I can fly my Sensei out to AZ
and have him test me for BB in that style.

I'd also like to hook up with a dojo out there. I understand there are
no Isshin Ryu schools in Tuscon (I think), so I'm trying to figure out
what else to learn.  SO what I would like to know is:

1) Does anyone know about MA in Tucson? What's available.

2) In general, what might be an interesting style to follow up with? I
realize this is mostly a matter of personal preference, but I figured
people in this group would have some good preferences.

Thanks

Ken Shenkman
ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu
From: mdr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mike Rogoff)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Question - Hapkido
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:24:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu

I've been interested in learning a martial art for quite some time now
and finally may have sufficient time and money.  I'm interested in 
one that has a lot of mental as well as physical training (if there are
some that don't, of course).  I know very little about any but from
what I have absorbed, I think Aikido (sp?) sounds interesting.  As far
as I know it involves turning an opponent's offense against him, which
seems very interesting.  Is it significantly more mental compared to 
say, karate?  Also, my main question is this:  I didn't see Aikido (which
is how I thought it was spelled) offered where I would train, but they
did offer Hapkido (which I had never heard of).  It occured to me that
for all I know, they could be pronounced the same way.  So, is there such
an art called Aikido?  Or was what I was thinking of actually Hapkido?
If these are two distinct arts, what is Hapkido all about?  Thanks a lot!
If it's interesting to all, by all means post, but email responses are
especially nice since I don't have to search them out.  Thanks again......

Mike
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:48:47 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Todd Paulus writes:
> In the case of USTU (Kukiwon) recognized TaeKwondo, the first black
>takes a _minimum_ of 3 years.  Each subsequent rank takes a _minimum_
>number of years equivalent to the rank you are aspiring to.  That is,
>2nd dan is 2 additional years, 3rd - 3, 4th - 4, etc.

Warning! Errors abound above!  Todd probably speaks from the perspective
of 1 dojang in which those are the rules.  I could have trivially tested
for first dan in much less than 3 yr. (I had a small amount of previous exp :-)
I chose not simply due to the price !!! $450.00$$$$$  The next testing
6 mo. later, the price was reduced (for me) but still unacceptable.
By the next testing, several first dans were bowing to me and trying to
line me up in a higher position than them at the beginning of class,
it was too wierd, and the cost of the third testing was something that
even poor impoverished (and cheap) Stephen could easily afford :-)  :-)

Now they want me to test again,( 1 year later) but I dunno if I can
afford to so I may wait :-) :-)  So you see, proof positive that
a BB is a simple function of money :-)
 
 
> While some may think otherwise, the black belt has meaning, really, only
> to the individual.
er uh no, I couldn't care less, I swear I'm gonna award myself a grey
belt one day, the BB is for others *really*, moms like to know that
their kids are being instructed by a BB.  Competitors like to be
ref`d by a BB.  I tie on and I get instant undeserved repect. 

>  it would seem a little ludicrous to wear a badge that said
 "you owe me respect"!

You mean like the Congressional Medal of Honor?  Used to crack me up
during inspections (we were a raggedy group) and the admiral would
end up in front of our HM2 (corpsman) see that medal, drop his jaw,
snap to attention and pop the HM2 a salute :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Re: C'hi Kung Training
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:47:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.153827.5639@socrates.umd.edu> doug@UC780.UMD.EDU writes:
>In article <21764@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>
>>I happened to have caught the last 15 minutes of a PRC propaganda movie
>>on how some elite army types are training in hard chi kung..  complete
>>with the required demos of people getting concrete slabs busted on
>>top of their heads, poking holes in bricks and getting run over by trucks.
>>
>>The paranoid conspiritorial side of me (  :-)  )  wonders if the PRC
>>govt would want to limit who gets such powers (i.e. the military),
>>just like some gun-prohibitionists here want to steer us towards
>>a police state  :-)
>
>Do you think they'll include chi kung testing in the next olympics along with
>the current steroids testing? :-) There's something sad and spooky about a 13
>year old girl being able to outdive 18-24 year old women.
>
>>-thorick "don't trust anyone in the seat of power" chow   :-)
>
>10-4 to that.
>
>                               ******
>   Net postings: Demonstrating the lack of quality psychotherapy in the world.


Whats sad and spooky about it?, if you've followed olympic diving at all ,
its kinda obviously a sport dominated by younger athletes than the average
in most other olypics sports except maybe gymnastics..
People like Greg Louganis(sp?), are the rare exceptions because he is so much
older than most of the other competitors, the women's diving is worse than the mens even. In the extreme youthfulness
of the competitors..
diving is mostly a mental sport
the actual amount of physical strength isn't really that high.  It is almost
all a fight with fear, and doing the movement right, knowing how to do it etc.

Jonathan
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: When to stop fighting? (was: Kumite)
Keywords: sparring
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:25:08 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <mckellar.711913749@sylvan-lk> mckellar@cs.UAlberta.CA (Neil McKellar) writes:
>different from what we usually do.  Point were counted only when it was obvious
>that one person in the match had control of the other.  This means that last
>minute punches or kicks that are thrown with the effect of stopping an attack
>but not reversing who has control (you defended but did not follow up on the
>advantage) were counted as _blocks_ not strikes.  Matches were a little longer
>
>One last note...for kumite in the dojo, we occasionally train what our sensei
>calls "wolf pack" kumite (two or more people gang up on one).  This gets pretty
>
>Neil

I haven't had that much experience with tournament fighting, but it sounds like
that one tournament worked out really well with that "unusual" rule.  I liked
the sound of it because the tournament matches I've seen always seemed really
lame; in addition, I just heard some stories last week about absolutely
ridiculous calls made by biased judges, which probably would not have been
able to have been made had a similar rule been in effect (e.g., the opponent
was _running away_, tripped and fell on his face, but his foot happened to
brush the torso of the pursuer -- the guy running away was awarded points).

Not sure what kind of rules I'd recommend for multiple-opponent sparring,
although I've done this in two different environments.  One was free
light-contact sparring against two opponents, the other was a kind of sticky
hands against two opponents.  They were fun -- I really felt that no-mind
feeling in a way that (IMO) it's impossible to feel with a single opponent.

Al
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: MA as therapy for abuse
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:35:47 CDT

In article <1992Jul30.045216.25900@psych.psy.uq.oz.au> jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer) writes:
>I've worked with both groups (people who've been abused and
>MA'ers) and I don't think I've ever come across any people who
>are in both groups.
>
>Just another data point.....

.... well, I've known a few who are...

(more data points)

-Lauren
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Gatorade vs. Water vs. Anything Else
Date: 29 Jul 1992 19:18:49 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <ACEVEDO.92Jul29100717@hippocrene.mit.edu> acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo) writes:
>
>  I've heard some people say that regardless of what Gatorade makes you
>think, water is all you really need after a hard workout.  Anyone know
>if Gatorade is really that good, and why?  

For me, Gatorade is useful *before* a hard workout.  I find that if I drink
a quart of water before, say, a Judo workout, the first thing my body wants
to do is piss it all back out again.  A quart of Gatorade, on the other 
hand, tends to be retained longer (must have something to do with the 
electrolytes and osmotic pressures).


-- 
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From: kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John C. King)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:05:59 GMT
Subject: Taijiquan
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

I'm thinking of starting a six month series of traditional Yang Chengfu
Taijiquan.  All I know about it is what I saw on a flier.  It says,

     "The special characteristics of true taijiquan are a tranquil mind with
      loosened joints, application of integrated supple strength directed by the      waist and spiraled to the lower and upper limbs, and continuation of
      internal energy (qi) from movement to movement without interruption.
      Using the concrete and refined methods developed by Wu Ta-yeh these
      'secrets' of taijiquan are taught in the Tutelage."

The sequence of pictures showing someone demonstrating "Carry hammer to
step forward, draw, and close" looks interesting.

I want something interesting to do with my body. (No rude comments, please)
I run two miles a day now.  Increased flexibility especially of my hips and
legs is one goal.  Something that requires concentration and focus is
another.  Self defense is not a consideration.  Is Taijiquan what I'm
looking for or is there something else?
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:54:30 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Jul30.135714.22803@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>I know this has been asked before, but I'm getting close enough
>to write a check to start being nervous.  I want to open a non-commercial
>TKD studio.  I have a handle on a fairly nice facility (considering my
>budget it is a palace :-).  The owners require that I get insurance, which
>seems reasonable.
>
>The best price I have been able to come up with is 1 million liability
>for $956/yr.  I would like to do better if I can, because I want to
>be non-commercial so that folks that don't have so much money can
>participate, but in the end the costs do get passed back to the
>consumer.

Will they give you a cheaper rate if you require the students
to sign a waiver of liability?

>Also ( and you can bet your bippy that I'm taking this question to
>a lawyer, but I'm totally ignorant in this area) I am wondering what
>I can do to protect my family from losing everything if something
>should go wrong.

Incorporate. If you're non-profit, see if you can incorporate as
a non-profit educational corporation. You *will* have to have
officers, etc. You *will* have to have board meetings (one a year
by the barbecue is a good strategy). You will also have to do
some paperwork. You should definitely consult a lawyer about this.

It may still be possible for someone to attach your assets if they
can convince a judge that you and the corporation are essentially
one and the same. This is called "piercing the corporate veil" by
lawyers. Failing to properly handle corporate administrivia
(meetings, minutes, separate bank accounts, government forms, etc.)
will make this ridiculously easy. Your lawyer may be able to
suggest ways of making it more difficult.

Good luck!

Steve
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:13:10 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <UeS0LXy00WCp83hY1i@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.martial-arts: 29-Jul-92 Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn
>Easte.. z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu (1886)
>
>> The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
>> recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.
>
>
>	Don't mistake Japanese culture as representative of ALL Eastern cultures.

And don't mistake "Occidental" and "Eastern" while you're at it. ;-)

While we're on the topic of cultures, don't assume that anecdotes (true or not)
about particular people under particular circumstances reflect universally-held
values. 

That's a real cute story about Miyamoto Musashi, whether it's true or not. But
that story was hardly representative of his typical behavior when challenged.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: brankin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.rankin)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.160407.11138@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>
>In article <9980@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) 
>writes...

>>A datapoint...
>> 
>>I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. If
>>you can afford a Randall, you'll be a happy camper. 
>
>That's an interesting example, David.  I can't think of why any civilian
>would want to carry one of those icepicks they call 'Commando' knives,
>except to scare people with.  And I think the Mk II probably falls somewhere 
>in that category.   Can't do half the things you can do with a simple
>Bowie-style knife.

Agreed, these are some good points...


>So why bother ?  Both Gerber and Randall make good examples of non-fighting
>knives that would suit the purpose if they had to.  ANd look a lot less
>suspicious if you get frisked with one, as a bonus.  ;-)

I would imagine that if an officer of the law frisked you and found a 
CONCELED (reason for frisking) 6-9" bowie on you, you would be in some
SERIOUS trouble.  A good sharp fighting bowie in the right hands is as
dangerous as any "Commando" style dagger.

Another datapoint, and a recommendation:  Stay away from the small (6")
Gerber bowie ("LMF" or somesuch)  It is a lousey knife.  I know, I have
one. :(  Write me if you want specific reasons.

-bill
From: uubrian@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRIAN BENTZ)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:18:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <14lb9pINNj4n@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes...
>In article <BrtH1F.LnM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kpbg3203@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kestutis P. Boyev) writes:
>>    Probably you should check out books by Yang Jwang-ming and Mantak Chia.
> 
>Yes.  Just be sure not do anything you read about in the Chia books, though.

	Care to enlighten us as to why not, Michael?

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah)
Subject: years for black belt
Keywords: black belt time
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:08:00 GMT

Okay.  Another potentially silly and flammable question from the ignorant
one who plays role-playing games that are so cinematic as to be miles from
the truth.

How many years does it take to become a belt belt in a martial art?
Assuming the first possible level of black belt (as, I am told, high levels
sometimes involve non-martial arts activities), and continuous, dedicated,
training.

If you deign to reply to this post, please state the style, permutation
of style if any, the number of years, and extenuating circumstances (ex.
you already had style X and that helped you in learning style Y, you are
a natural genius with martial arts, etc...).

Thanks.

Simon
-Yes, I still have my asbestos suit on.
From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Video Program Content
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <acortez.712552201@athena> acortez@athena.qualcomm.com (Adrian Cortez) writes:
>
>   Netters:
>  
>   If you could put together a 30-60 min video program
>   about the martial arts what would you like to have
>   in it?  Keep in mind that the program you're making
>   will be shown on a monthly basis.    

That's an interesting proposition.  What is your intended
audience?
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland)
Subject: Re: East Coast MA gathering
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:29:19 GMT
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, HSS
Keywords: Need 1 -2 more instructors please

In article <1992Jul21.155111.25378@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
[...]
|> 
|> AUG 9 Program
|> 8:30 - 10:00 A.M. Continental breakfast
|> ***** relocate to river *********
|> 10:00 - 12:00	T5:  Water training/Gun techniques?????
|> 1:00 P.M. Lunch
|> Goodbyes.
|> 
[...]

hmm... so is this when you plan on replacing that lock, Stephen?  :-)

-- 
Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force

MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883, 
Melbourne  FL 32905.  geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com

"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."
From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:06:00 GMT
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Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

To: rec.martial-arts

  .Subject: Re: years for black belt
  .Date: 23 Jul 1992 19:40:56 -0700
  .Message-ID: <l6urdoINNpis@nunki.usc.edu>

silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman) writes:

DS.How many times does it gnerally take to pass the black belt test?
  .Someone earlier said they passed on the third try, in the art I'm
  .studying you get only one chance (of course they're pretty sure you'll
  .pass if they let you take it).

At the risk of sounding glib, Dave, in USTU taekwondo, it takes as many
attempts as is required to satisfy the master that you have earned it.
When I tested for my 2nd Dan, there were 4 of us - only 2 made it
(including me!).  The other 2 were given another 6 months of work, and
then the opportunity to try again.  But that is only the 'physical'
part.  The master first has to agree that you are 'mentally' ready for
the next level.  It would be difficult to define that, but when it comes
to the decisions by our 9th degree master, we usually don't question them!
A simple "Yes, sir! or No, sir!" is usually called for.  :-)  Yes, there
are some studios (I won't call them dojangs or dojos) where you can
'buy' your belt;  I think that is partially true in this dojahng for the
junior belts - but that generally ceases as the student approaches the
black belt rank, and is totally gone for the black belt test in
particular.  Yes, he will take your money for the test, but he won't
grant the belt until you pass - regardless of how long it takes.  You
don't have to pay over-and-over again, in the case of this dojahng.

Regards,
Todd

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