From: alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:55:27 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Jul23.175429.11674@brtph560.bnr.ca> kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
>Rape is rape is rape.  It is an absolute.  

You mean you do not see even shades of difference in intent, harm, and
impact between violent stranger rape and date rape?  Rape is rape,
indeed, meaning anything that can be classified as rape is a serious
offense, however there are varying degrees. 

To fantasize about rape is always
>the prelude to the act.  

You might try to bend logic and assume that all people who rape have
fantasized about it, however it would be very obtuse to say that
everyone who fantasizes about it rapes.  I'm sure every person who
rapes has also drank milk in their lives, but does this mean that
drinking milk always leads to rape?  Come on, lose the motionalism and
useyour brain for a moment. 

Do you actually believe that men (or women) who
>commit rape do not fantasize about it first.  If so then you're
stupid.  

A nice way to invite calm, intelligent conversation.

And
>as far as the "medical experts" opinion goes, *SO WHAT*!  It doesn't change
>the fact that rapists are non-human pieces of sewer scum and should be executed

No, they aren't.  They are human.  The reasons that most rapist rape
are very human... they grow out of our own society and it's attitudes
and teachings.  To say that they aren't is to oversimplify the problem
and boost yourself, saying that since *you* can't understand it, it
can't be human.  What an ego you have.  The thing to do both for the
guilty and the potential victims is to "fix" society so that we have a
base in respect and safety, and "retrain" those who learned otherwise.
There's no other way to put an effective *end* to rape. 

>publically.  It doesn't change the fact that anyone who fantasizes about rape
>is a potential rapist and should get help before it's too late.  "Medical
>expert" with regard to the human psyche is an oxymoron anyway.  How can a
>person be an expert on something nobody fully understands ????  And as for

Simple.  By knowing more than a vast majority of other people, you
become an "expert."

>nobody condoning rape I concede that you are technically right.  I mean I don't
>remember anything like: "Hey I think rape is fine.  Let's all go out and
>force someone to have sex with us!"  But I have seen people suggest that
>viewing rape scenes on film is just peachy!  And others who view rapists as
>poor little innocent people who are just deeply disturbed.  Gimme a break!

And you are someone who has no understanding of the complex issues of
being human and living in a very faulty society, it seems, and who
also has no desire to do anything but sweep a problem under a rug. 

>I neglected to mention people who fantasize about being raped.  All I can say
>here is that I feel confident that if such a person could add to that fantasy
>the physical, emotional, and spiritual trauma suffered by a true rape victim,
>the 'fun' would go out of the experience pretty quick.

That's the whole point, you ignorant boob.  (Sorry, had to, but notice
I used ignorant and not stupid...)  It's *not* about physical rape.
It's about voluntarily thinking about sex in a very dominating and
different light.  It's VOLUNTARILY thought of, so it's automatically
not rape. 

>Got anymore comments bright boy (girl) ?

I do have a suggestion.  Think out your posts a bit more next time.

amy
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