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From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 08:24:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep2.023310.19319@pony.Ingres.COM> you write:
|> Chris Barnes writes:
|> >> THE VOICE.
|> > Can be effective with "soft" dogs.  Pretty much useless with a
|> > "hard-headed" one.
|> 
|> All we have to do is define "hard-headed dog" as "any dog with a
|> history of inconsistent voice training".  Then the facts agree.
|> 
|> -- Jon

If you have a voice (loud and strong) enough to train a big-running
pointer or german shorthair for field work more power to you.  Most
mere mortals do not.  As for a hard-headedness, it does exist and
in most cases has nothing to do with improper training.  It can become
a virtue however, because once a hard-headed dog learns to do something
the right way he'll do it that way for the rest of his life.  

God forbid him to ever learn to do something the wrong way.

I don't use training collars, but then, I can understand why people do.

-- 
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	jy
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Dogs and swimming - oh no !! 
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.163040.15571@col.hp.com> lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
>us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>> I was out swimming over my head and here she comes a-swimming toward
>> me.  She gets to me and puts her paws on my shoulders and down I
>> go over my head.  I surface and she pushes me down again.  I think -
>> MAN I could drown out here.  I couldn't swim away because she is
>> faster.  I couldn't keep my head above water because she was resting
>> on me.  I tried holding her paws but that pushed me under water too.
>
>My dogs don't swim, but I feel fairly sure that if they did this, I could
>say "NO" (like I meant it!) and they'd desist.  This isn't meant to be
>a flame, but, well, it's going to sound like one, well, maybe this is
>meant to be a flame...
>
>Was your dog totally out of control?? Doesn't she know what "NO" means??
>

I wondered about this, too, but it's hard to say anything when your mouth
is under water.  Maybe that's what the problem is.....


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: New Puppy - Need Advice!!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:08:10 GMT

In article <2AA51DBE.12397@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>
>To the original person: There are FAQ's available from this group, and
>they might help you out, if not with your specific questions, then in
>general.  Feel free to ask more questions, just ignore the flamage you
>get, which does (unfortuately) happen now and then.  Here's how to get
>the FAQ's:
>
>The eight parts of the FAQ are all archived at pit-manager.mit.edu
>(18.172.1.27) in the directory /pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq.  The
>files are: introduction, new, health-care, training, working,
>AKC-titles, misc1, and references.
>
>--Cindy
>

I just thought I'd take the opportunity to thank Cindy for the FAQ
files.  My wife and I refer to my copy continuously, and it's been a
great help in solving various problems with our newest puppy.  Of
course, I'd like to thank all the contributers, too.  The FAQ makes
for one of the best all around books on dogs we've found.  And the
price is right, too.  Good job.

Barry
From: wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Golden retriever mailing list created
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:37:27 GMT

I have created an experimental private mailing list for Golden Retriever 
enthusiasts.  To subscribe, send a message to "listserv@hobbes.ucsd.edu" with
the phrase "subscribe golden firstname lastname" in the message body, 
where <firstname lastname> is your own name.  The list server will deduce 
your email address.  Once subscribed, send messages to the list at
"golden@hobbes.ucsd.edu".

Assuming there is sufficient interest to sustain the list, suitable 
topics include questions and answers regarding the Golden Retriever breed 
in general, news bits, article summaries, discussions of particular lines 
and breeders, shows, activities (CCI, therapy dogs, guide dogs), training 
techniques, bragging, summaries of local GR club activities, rescue
efforts, newsletters, other items which might be considered too 
Golden-introverted for rec.pets.dogs, cooperation on a breed specific FAQ 
for r.p.d, etc.

This list is NOT a substitute for rec.pets.dogs - please post items of
general interest to the newsgroup.  

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu

Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:10159 rec.pets.cats:10248
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: dog hates cats
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:45:33 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <BtIDvH.BKB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes) writes:
>I have tried getting him to sit when he sees a cat or another dog,
>and usually I can force him to do this without too much of a struggle,
>but I need to know if there is any way I can somehow get him to leave
>cats alone?  I don't need him to necessarily "like" cats, but I would
>prefer for him to at least ignore them rather then try to kill them.

>Any success stories out there?  A marriage may be at stake here if I
>can't break him of this awful habit.

Get a tiger cub ;-)
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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Are dogs color blind?
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:24:50 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: bf1a65fdf76b7d334e2fdc1d466f1807

srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes:
>
>[stuff about color perception in dogs deleted]
>>
>>Now for another question:  Night vision.
>>
>>Does anyone have any info (it needn't be as good as the above, but it
>>would be nice ;-)) on the accuracy of canine night vision?  McDuff
>>can't see beans at night . . .
>
>This is interesting.  It has always been my understanding that dogs have
>superior vision at night (superior to ours).  My dogs certainly have _no_
>trouble at all running around at night, and I live in an area where the only
>light at night is that provided by the moon.

It was my understanding that the difference in visual physiology gave
dogs a window into the world of the near infra-red, a part of the
spectrum that humans don't have access to naturally.  This portion of 
the spectrum is filled with heat radiations from all sorts of items in the
environment.

Our little Schipperke female has problems getting down off of the bed at
night, and we were worried that they were developing some sort of eye
problems, so we went and had them checked (no problems, fortunately). I
also went and borrowed a "sniperscope" IR vision translator and took a
look around the bedroom one evening.  The thermal equilibrium of the
room was flat, and without normal spectrum light to go by, the floor was
indistinguishable either way.  Humans don't worry to much about such
things due to their kinesthetic memories for where the floor "ought" to
be from experience, the pups don't really have that luxury.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Put Your Thinking Caps On!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:28:49 GMT

I'm helping my breed club put together a list of questions that people
should ask themselves before getting a dog.  I've come up with a few
but got such great assistance in my "what questions to ask a breeder"
question that I thought I'd try again.

Do you get the dog for someone as a present?

etc.

schalene
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A good vet in Milwaukee
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:31:31 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <2A9A6F3B.11647@orion.oac.uci.edu> llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu
(Linda Macdonald) writes:
>
>1.  Does anyone know of a good vet in Milwaukee, WI.  I am making
>plans to move there within the next few months and will need a great
>vet, preferably one who has a background in canine cardiology.

Linda: I called the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) to find a
Board-certified cardioloogist in Wisconsin (the AVMA can be reached at
800-248-2862). The very helpful Public Information Officer tells me that there
is no cardiologist in the state of Wisconsin, but there is one at the
University of Minn vet scholl and one at the University of Illinois vet
school. This is too far to go for routine cardiac care, so the PI lady
recommedns that you contatc the University of Wisconsin Veterinary School in
Madison (608/263-6716) and request an appointment with the clinician that
teaches veterinary cardiology at the school. Mostly likely, he/she will have a
great deal of experience in treating heart disease and will cetainly be "up"
on the latest research findings. There are only 56 AVMA board certified
cardiologists in the US at the moment, so it can be tough to find a really
compentent vet to treat heart problems. 

You might also ask for referal fromthe University of California Vet School at
Davis, in case they know of someone in WIsconsin. If you still can't find
adequate vet care for your Cocker, let me know & I'll contact my Newf breeder
friends in WI for a reference to a general practitioner.

Good luck.....

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City, OH

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From: gdolgner@chelsea.prime.com (Gene Dolgner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Wheezing Dog
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:01:54 GMT
Organization: Computervision, Bedford, MA
Reply_To: gdolgner@chelsea.Prime.COM (Gene Dolgner)


I recently replied with e-mail to the woman who was having this problem
with her Bichon Frise, basically because my newsfeed has been down for
the last week.  We agreed that my reply should be posted for all to see,
in the event others have had this problem.

-----

>In article <1992Aug12.165626.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, cabarto@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>> Every once in awhile (I'd say at least a couple of times a week),
>> our one-year-old Bichon Frise starts wheezing.  She can't catch
>> her breath -- these episodes last for 15-30 seconds.  After the
>> episode is over, she is perfectly fine.
>> 
>> We've been able to determine that it happens most often when she
>> gets excited, but it also happens just out of the blue.  I've 
>> scheduled an appointment with the Vet, but I'm curious if
>> anyone else has experienced this problem and if it may be
>> unique to Bichon's.

My wife and myself own a Maltese/Poodle cross.  It's not a Bichon Frise,
but it is a cousin breed.  The problem you experience is apparently common
to this type of animal.  Ours started doing it quite young, perhaps 6-8
months old.  We went to the vet.  He said that this breed of dog has a
weak tracea tube (I believe it's called).  When she gets excited, she will
wheeze, cough, choke, whatever, as if she's suffocating.  The vet said
that her tube actually collapses, causing her to do this.  He said there
is surgery, but did not recommend it as it is expensive, major, and could
have complications, unless the problem becomes severe.

We just hold her and calm her down until it stops.  If she's on her side
or upside down, we tip her upright so she can breathe better.  She's now
2 1/2 years old and the problem is no worse than it was when it started.
We have not worried about it and just deal with it when it happens.  Unless
it gets worse over a long period of time, I'd not worry about it.

My 2c's worth.


Gene Dolgner, contractor at large (I may reappear at any time!)
Computervision, Bedford, MA  -  gdolgner@chelsea.Prime.COM
"It's not what you fling, it's the fling itself."  -  Northern Exposure
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: alpha puppy
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:20:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.122902.24086@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.184212.18499@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
>>
>(Many interesting comments about an alpha dog deleted for space....)
>
>I couldn't agree more.  Many times people say we didn't pick out our
>puppy, he/she picked us.....that's probably an alpha pup.  The Monks
>of New Skete won't let prospect owners pick out their dog.  They
>temperament test their litters and give a questionnaire to the
>prospective owners.  Then they match the pups to the owner.  That's
>why I think the few tests we put in the questions to ask breeders are
>important.  Prospective owners can do these with the litters they are
>looking at.
>
>schalene
>

	I definitely feel that the breeder (assuming that the breeder is very
knowledgeable about their breed and dogs in general) should select puppies for
their puppy buyers. EVERY time I see a litter (even though I SHOULD know
better), I'm always highly attracted to the puppy that "picks me". Luckily,
I've been saved from my "fatal attractions" with my last two golden retrievers
because they were shipped to me from the east coast, so the breeder chose the
puppies for me. With our current litter, we plan to do both temperament and
"birdiness" evaluations (along with conformation assessments) and try to match
the puppies with the people based on many hours of evaluating puppies and
talking to prospective owners. Of course, the pups are too young (2.5 weeks)
to assess now, but I'd make a bet that I'll still be very attracted to the male
and the female that "pick me"! Consequently, I'm having 3 other people help me
with the testing. Many alpha puppies are pretty irresistable!

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: toolan@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Humane societies out there?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:06:56 GMT

In article <H.eD8e7GWuawI@harvee.billerica.ma.us>, scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us 
(S. Mudgett aka little gator) writes:
 
>>That's right.  There is a no-kill shelter on Boston's North Shore that
>>really bugs me because they advertise it so self-righteously - "We
>>would *never* put any of our animals down" - when the only reason they
>>can do that is because *they screen the dogs they take*, and will only
>>accept dogs they think are high on the adoptability scale.  What a
>>copout!  This leaves the true work of tending to all unfortunates to
>>places like Angell Memorial and the state/city rescue leagues who,
>>bless them, don't turn dogs away because they aren't cute enough.
> 
> i visited this shelter once.  among other things, they won't take a cat over 3
> years old, and they won't take any black dogs, "because they are too common",
> or any brindle dogs "because no one will take a brindle beacuse they're ugly"
> they didn't believe me when i said brindle is my favorite dog color.
> -- 
> -- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
> -- friend of a gator is a friend of mine

Huh?  "No one will take a brindle because they're ugly"??!!  Maybe they should
try a survey or something to update what is probably the opinion of the 
president of their board of directors.  I can understand that since their
funds and space have limitations, that causes them to screen the animals
they take, but to not take a dog because it's black or brindle borders on the
ridiculous.

Of the many Greyhounds I've seen placed by MD's GPA, I'd guestimate that 33-50%
of them are brindle.  Folks adopting through MD GPA can pick the sex, age, and
COLOR preference of their dog (yes, there's so many to chose from you can be
that specific), and many chose some shade of brindle.  Our tiger-striped
beauty (a redish fawn brindle with some white markings) draws admirers wherever
we take her, and we take her lots of places in order to educate the public
about Greyhounds.

It's absolutely amazing to hear of some of the truly strange prejudices that
exist.  It's unfortunate that this particular one probably costs some very
deserving animals their lives.

Sharon Toolan		*	My opinions are mine alone.
toolan@stsci.edu	*	No one else would want them.
Mom to Amber (a brindle beauty) and
       Topaz (a "blue," well, dark gray, gem)

		Make a fast friend--adopt a Greyhound!
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Newfs and Kids
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

This statement is no doubt redundant, but EVERYTHING Anne Beck posted about
Nefoundlands, training, and kids is ABSOLUTELY TRUE! 

And I probably would have posted it myself, except I didn't think of it...and
Anne writes much better than I!

******************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs
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From: fritzz@bud.megatek.uucp (Friedrich Knauss)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Humane societies out there?
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:25:06 GMT
Reply-To: megatek!fritzz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <BtpHBn.7oD@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>That's right.  There is a no-kill shelter on Boston's North Shore that
>really bugs me because they advertise it so self-righteously - "We
>would *never* put any of our animals down" - when the only reason they
>can do that is because *they screen the dogs they take*, and will only
>accept dogs they think are high on the adoptability scale.

This is how we got our deaf Aussie Shep mix Maggie. The vet my
girlfriend works for was holding Maggie because the shelter
wouldn't take her. They said that the deafness made her
unadoptable. My girlfriend, being the sucker for sweet animals
that she is, ended up taking the dog home for a weekend and
never gave it back. I think that if I ever accidentally become
rich that we're going to be the no-kill-animal-shelter-reject-
adoption-ranch. In the meantime I'll just try to get people
to neuter their pets...
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: Setter Questions?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 20:05:43 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1992Aug25.173302.24315@tamsun.tamu.edu> emily@azariah.tamu.edu (Emily Glass) writes:
>
>The shape of the head on the setter is distinctly different from that of the
>retriever.  (The muzzle is much deeper on the setter.) 
>
>I have a dog, Annabelle, that I got at the animal shelter, who I think is 
>lab/setter mix.  However, if it wasn't for a big patch of white on her chest
>(I don't know where she got that from), I could problably get an IRQ number 
>for her as a flat coated retriever, and show her obedience w/the AKC.  The 

Point of information...White spots on the chest are perfectly acceptable in
Irish Setters. Black spots, on the other hand, are strictly verboten. 

Re: setter temprament. A quick check in "The right dog for you" puts them
pretty similar. The English is least active (indoors - they're all high
outdoors), the Irish most. The Gordon is the only one to rate above "medium"
on behavioral constancy. The Gordon is slightly higher than the other two
on dominance to both people and dogs, and lower on sociability with
strangers. The Gordon, because of this, is the best watchdog of the three.
They're very similar in learning rate and obedience, with the English being
slightly lower than the other two. 
English: least vigorous of the setters; typical problems include roaming and
house soiling. Some show a stubborn streak.
Gordon: Slightly more powerful build than the English or Irish. Generally
between the other two in temperament. Problems may include roaming, house
soiling, and being a picky eater.
Irish: Most vigorous of the three. Behavior problems center on
overexuberance and flightiness, particularly among puppy-mill dogs. Problems
include roaming, house soiling, mischievous playful destruction, pulling on
lead, jumping on visitors and barking. The description includes a note to
watch out for puppy-mill Irish.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Are dogs color blind?
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:22:10 GMT

From article <winders-250892231331@macwinders.support.apple.com>, by winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders):
> In article <BtK09D.9ru@hsi.com>, hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) wrote:
>> 
>> I remember hearing a long time ago that dogs are color blind.  Is this true?
> 
> Dogs are unable to distinguish some colors from others. So I guess
> that, in a sense, dogs are color blind. But they definetly see color.
> Recently, the AKC Gazette had a very good article on how dogs see
> colors but I do not remember the month or year.  The "Reader's Guide
> to Periodical Literature" should have a reference....
>

From what I have read .. dogs eyes are not constructed to pick up
intensities of colors like human eyes are.  One article related it
to "seeing in pastels".
-- 
Steve Anastasi	
smanastasi@mmm.com
St. Paul, Minnesota
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: non-competitive shows (was Re: Show points and the )
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu


CB>See?  This is what I was talking about when I suggested a non-
CB>competitive conformation ring.  It just wouldn't happen.

What would be the point? Why would we even bother to show our dogs, if
there was no chance of winning? If we just want to show people our dog,
we could go to the park.
As I have said before there is good and bad in anything you do,
including dog shows. Fortunatly, there are more good people showing dogs
than there are bad!

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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