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From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Ted Serios (Was This post composed)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:08:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep30.235141.15717@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> : 
> : An account of his unusual ability was written by Dr. Jule Eisenbud, a
> : Denver psychiatrist who studied Ted for a number of years. It's entitled
> : *The World of Ted Serios*.  It also includes copies of a number of
> : photographs Ted did (at that time) which are very interesting. The *piece
> : of film in the gizmo* (a small cardboard tube) theory would not explain
> : how Ted could produce different images at one session, some of them
> : suggested on the spot.
> 
> Certainly, it would. He would always ask the audience for suggestions. It  
> is easy to pretend to hear someone ask for the desired image, then produce
> it. That is a very old, stage magician's trick. When presented right, you
> will have about 1/3rd of the audience believing that they personally asked
> for that image.
> 
> Bill
> 

Who said anything about an *audience*? The circumstances I am referring to
would typically be Ted SErios and Dr. Eisenbud together in a room, or
possibly with two or three other researchers.

You really should read the book before trying to discuss this.

Lou
From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Kilner/auras
Keywords: Kilner/auras
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:55:34 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA


Hi - 

I earlier stated that Kilner was an electrician. That is
a British title for what he did, language has changed 
somewhat since the period (early 1900's). He was actually a 
medical doctor involved with electro-medical field, and 
worked at a London Hospital. The title of the book he
wrote was "The Human Aura." 

Wm T.

.standard disclaimer
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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1ah5skINNpq3@gap.caltech.edu>, jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes...
>joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes:
> 
>>+				PRACTICE
>>+			    RANDOM VIOLENCE
>>+				  AND
>>+		       SENSELESS ACTS OF STUPIDITY
> 
>[stuff deleted] 
> 
>Touche'.  
> 
>And wow.  Sounds just like my neighborhood (where the Center for Nonviolence
>is appropriately, necessarily located).  You can actually tell what time it
>is, here in the Rampart-Silverlake section of Los Angeles, by counting the
>gunshots, and subtracting two.  If only the people here could see the humor
>in their lives - it's so easy to transform reality by just making it funny.

Yes, I agree.  My boss brought his 2 kids in the other day and 
they were playing with my magick marker board.  Robin drew 
pumpkins and kitties.  Then Chris drew bombs falling on the 
pumpkins and kitties.  Hee!  Hee!  Guess which picture I liked 
best. :)

The original sappy saying reminds me of smiley buttons, and 
partridge family reruns.

"Have a nice day." :)

- Peggy -

Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with magick either - though 
            I'd love to see more essays saying why it does.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Reply-To: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.102801.26616@gdr.bath.ac.uk>,
mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
|>>In article <83950146@otter.hpl.hp.com> cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin
Low) writes:
|>>>B.A. Davis-Howe writes:
|>>>
|>>>What about the U.K. contingent? Why not base the con in the spiritual
|>>>home of magick? We could offer the following tour attractions:
|>>
|>
|>[stuff deleted]
|>
|>Also, there's crop circles in the summer.  Anyone out there interested
|>in Crop Circles?
|>
|>Chris
             
Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.

Brian /-|-\
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Flaming.
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<JOSHUA.92Sep26150101@dharma.cpac.washington.edu>
	<a3#pjz=.friday@netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:54:04 GMT


In article <a3#pjz=.friday@netcom.com> friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) 
writes:

>   In <JOSHUA.92Sep26150101@dharma.cpac.washington.edu> 
>   joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

>   >interestingly, if you look at amanda's and my posts when we reply to the
>   >same person (which happens with some frequency), hers are often much more
>   >critical than mine. it's just that she's so nice and courteous (and the
>   >person the posts directed at often so dense) that it just doesn't pen-
>   >etrate as criticism. pity.

>   Mayhaps, there's a lesson for you in there, Josh.

what, that you can't be subtle when criticising putzim? I knew that a long
time ago.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: carlton@apollo.hp.com (Carl Hommel)
Subject: Walking at night
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:17:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

My house abuts a cemetery, that dates back to 1760.  I have a nice five
minute stroll down a dirt road, canopied by trees, bounded on one side by a
a New England stone wall and a swampy forest, and on the other by the
grassy hillside covered with headstones, that leads to the place where my
one-week old daughter was buried just over three years ago.  Over time,
I've noticed many of the same things about walking as Peggy's friend.

I have found that absquatulating to the same outdoors place over the
changing of the seasons has become an important ritual.  I never really
noticed the rhythms in nature before.  The monthly cycle of the moon, and
the changes in when it rises and sets throughout the year.  The budding of
the leaves in the spring, and now their slow changes of color.

This past June 21, I discovered something interesting about the original
settlers.  The roads in the cemetery are set at a 45 degree angle to the
setting sun on the summer solstice, while the Townsend Common is laid out
at a 90 degree angle.



Walking at night with intent.  On moonless nights, allow some time for your
vision to start adapting, about 5 minutes.  Everything should still look
very dark.  Pick a path, close your eyes, and start walking.  Expect to feel
fear, unease, and a strong desire to open your eyes, and *see*!  Especially
if you trip over a root, or stub your toe on a rock.  After about 20 paces,
stop, look, and observe how well (or badly) you have stuck to your path.
Now, try again, with one change.  Instead of closing your eyes all the
way, open them a crack.  Just a crack.  Such a small crack, in fact, that
you still can't see anything but darkness.  If you see any light with your
eyes, they are open too far, so close them a little more.  Close them so
far that there is really, no possible way you could see anything at all
what with the darkness and all.  You should now be able to follow your path
better.

Why does this happen?  Perhaps...
o Your hearing and/or balance is improved by your eyes being open that
  slight crack.
o You cannot see any light, but enough is getting through to make your
  peripheral vision work better.
o Its all in your head.  You fool your primitive self into thinking that
  it is seeing well enough to prevent danger.

This is a useful way not only to stop tripping over things in low light
conditions, but also to examine those intinctive *open those eyes, dammit*
reactions.

Carl Hommel
carlton@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Subject: Re: Book Review
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:51:10 GMT

On the other hand, Bertiaux holds the Abul Alhazred Memorial
Chair of Occult Pataphysics in  the Kenneth Grant School of Gothick 
Obscurantism.  Some day, if I am sufficiently bored & ornery, perhaps
I will put on a fright wig, do my face in green greasy streaks, put on
some army surplus camo gear, roll in the mud a bit, and then, brandishing
Bertiaux's Object, pay a visit to the History of Religions folks here
(running up the stairs all the way, to be properly breathless when I
get there) and demand to know why they don't honor diversity by teaching
about how to be a Real Big Lucky Hoodoo Man.

You forget to mention that the thing was a correspondence course the
initial hook for which seems to have been the promise of turning students
into Big Lucky Hoodoos.  One can only imagine the experience of signing
on under that impression and then being led, lesson by lesson, through
Trans-Yuoggothian Mechanics to the arts of the Beings of Bwahaha.

It's a wonderful object indeed, and if it hadn't actually been written
and published, I'd have wanted to include it in my collection of ghost
grimoires, along wih _Le Petit Albert on Boite_, _Les Cules des Goules_,
and all the rest.

--LeGrand
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: provocative questions (was poot)
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

Science, Art, Religion and Magick

I view Science as a discipline for evolving theories and then
sifting the wheat (those that are consistant with observation,
and have demonstrated predictive value) from the chaff (those
that are not consistant with observation and do not have 
demonstrated predictive value).

I view Art as the skillful execution of manifest representations
of real or imagined experiences.  It serves to recreate these
experiences for others and trigger new experiences.

I view Religion as a set of traditions and inquiries aimed at 
resolving our existential issues.  It serves to give our life
meaning and purpose.

I would not try to define Magick, other than to say that it involves
the development of perceptions and powers in individual practicianers.
Each practicianer evolves his/her own definition of what magick is,
and other people's definitions are of little relevence.

Science is (by design) a very restrictive discipline, while Art is
(of necessity) a very expansive one.  Religion extends as far as
it is allowed to.  In my model Religion is limited to existential
issues and Science has no power in those issues, so Science and
Religion are entirely disjoint.  Since knowledge and existential
issues are critical elements of the human experience, they are all
subject matter for Art, and Art (in turn) provides inspiration to
Science and Religion.
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Re: Necronomicon and the Vow of Secrecy
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:35:34 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <83950143@otter.hpl.hp.com> <1a25trINNo3p@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>
  <1992Sep27.132227.9385@samba.oit.unc.edu>

Now THIS is magick!!


Rotate the message below to receive your individual instructions by the
Great Lord Cthulhu:



dkzi3ikf ix  viki zi9ee vi[]vcc cm.  vnbzzq  eileu lhwrx ae yrzi 9yusj.


Carry on.

Thyagi
--------------------------------------------------------
It's a good thing our codes have never been broken. :>
May the dead wake and the sponges walk the earth in vengeance!
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:29:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bv73EH.7nF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <Bv7pwA.B5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
  <1a35qbINNb24@gap.caltech.edu>

IL?    KS?     NY?    CA?


I see two options.  We could make it equally easy for all (by choosing a
central location) OR equally DIFFICULT for all (by choosing a location
which is difficult for EVERYONE to get to.  



India?  Pakistan?   China?    Mt. McKinley?    Moon?   ;>  

Thyagi??
-------------------------------
huh?
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Subject: RE: evil and "dualism"
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:29:49 GMT


     Try a few attributions here!


      Sean Jeffers Mc Nair
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:05:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
: 
: Crop circles are graffiti done on fields.  LOT'S of people have been making 
: them, it is very easy.   Many people have been caught or admitted such pranks.  

Yep. It is just the "cropologists", who make a living by studying (and writing
books about) the circles, who say that such constructions are difficult. If
there were any real mystery there, I would expect interest from the scientific
community. That interest has been conspicuously missing.

Bill
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Tarot Symposium in San Francisco
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:10:57 GMT
Organization: California State University, Sacramento


  I just saw this in one of the local newspapers. Anyone going? anyone
interested in a report?

   SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA TAROT SYMPOSIUM

SPEAKERS, PRESENTATIONS, EXHIBITS AND THE TAROT BAZAAR

Jim Wanless, Gail Fairfield, The Enchanted Tarot, Arisa Victor, Susan
Levitt, Andrea Mallis and many more.

Saturday, Oct. 24, 1992, 10-4:30
Ft. Mason Centre, Firehouse Building, San Francisco

Call (415)-753-5041

 
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:00:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.magick
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1a6pgtINNt5d@gap.caltech.edu>, jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
> 
> 
>    "PRACTICE RANDOM KINDNESS AND SENSELESS ACTS OF BEAUTY"

Great post!  Thanks for sharing this!

Richard
(Tuneweaver)
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Religion, Traditions and the History of Science
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:02:23 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

A well posed description of the world-view conflict.  Until we
can come up with a "Grand Unified World View" we will have to
do the best we can by trying to synthesize partial unions from 
among various "Lesser but not without merit" world views in order 
to get the best possible understanding of our island.

In his later years, Albert Einstein became very philosophical.
Two relevent quotes come to mind:

	It was not through the use of my rational mind
	that I came to an understanding of the fundamental
	order of the Universe.

	The most beautiful thing we can experience is the
	mysterious.  It is the source of all true Art and
	Science.

Good scientists think that Science can help us to understand
the Universe.  Bad scientists think that Science explains the
Universe.  The same is probably true of adepts in most other
world views.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Answering a call
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:12:20 GMT


If a person were to experience/feel a persistant call (summoning?), and 
yet be unable to determine the source (or where one is being called to),
what options are available.  (Ignoring the call has been tried.  There is
a desire to answer, but an inability to do so.)

craig

-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:53:46 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep30.225419.19462@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) 
>writes:
>
>
>>   Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.
>
>have they really? I thought that the two guys who confessed to doing
>them also confessed that their first confession was bullshit. also, I
>have heard that there are lots more of them than is logistically feasible
>for two guys to have done.
>
>have any appeared since these folks 'confession'? anyone know?
>

Well, I'm not sure when they confessed, but I visited quite
a few sites in Wiltshire County England this summer.  I visited
quite a few the summer before, and IMHO some of them are just
so incredibly perfect and the crops are so perfectly smashed in
a circular pattern that I find it difficult to believe that they
were created by humans unless they have some specially built
machine that does it for them.  Also, the energy that I have
felt at many crop circles is quite electrifying.   I don't feel
that same energy in Glastonbury.  I think there MIGHT be something
supernatural to at least some crop circles.  I haven't seen
a good explanation for them yet.

Chris
From: jasonp@tiger1.prime.com (Jason Pascucci)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Flaming.
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:30:08 GMT
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.

In article <a3#pjz=.friday@netcom.com>, friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
> In <JOSHUA.92Sep26150101@dharma.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
> >In article <memo.649628@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo 
> >Smith) writes:
> 
> >interestingly, if you look at amanda's and my posts when we reply to the
> >same person (which happens with some frequency), hers are often much more
> >critical than mine. it's just that she's so nice and courteous (and the
> >person the posts directed at often so dense) that it just doesn't pen-
> >etrate as criticism. pity.
> 
> >josh
> 
> Mayhaps, there's a lesson for you in there, Josh.

More interesting, perhaps, is that people seem to not
look beyond the style of the post, into the meaning...in this
case. In others (like some of the tolerated psychodramarians),
the distasteful style is overlooked completely. I personally find
it much less painful to see Josh's critism for it's content
than into some of the more absurd descriptions of magickal
or mystical 'events'. 

Perhaps we all (Josh included) should go looking for meanings,
and not worry quite as much about presentation. Methinks it would
get us a little farther...

> --Friday

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Two Adepts of the Highest Grade 
read the works of HPB during their journey. 
One, who accepted it as rigorous truth, achieved enlightenment.
The other, who accepted it as metaphor, achieved enlightenment.
It was as easy for the first to destroy his memory as
the second to destroy his mind.
--
P.S. BTW, while I'm thinking about it, a Tammy person (Stark?) asked
for my email address, and I mailed a fair number of ways to get to me to 
her, but never obtained the anxiously awaited response.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: The end of the world...
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:10:41 GMT

In article 7sF@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us, robh@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Henderson) writes:
> 
> I think that the world will end at 5:23 AM, October 19th of this
> year, and be replaced by an identical one, except that the letter
> J will no longer exist.
> 
> Seriously, so what if the world is going to end?  What are you
> going to do about it?  Speculation on such things seems a waste
> of time, when you could be trying to make the world we have a
> better one, and if it ends tomorrow, hey, at least you tried.
> -- 
> RobH (or Rob Henderson, if you prefer)
> robh@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us
> Every one of us has a heaven inside.  (Kate Bush)
> Not that I want to get political, but...  VOTE LIBERTARIAN!


oh no a heinlen fan .... (i like some of his work.. but disappointed with a lot of it)
an eye for an eye kinda a place huh .. 
  Steve C.
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Letter from a sorcerer
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:00:50 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <83950145@otter.hpl.hp.com> cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low) writes:
>Edward M. Averett writes:
>>Oh, I don't find the warping odd or terrifying at all. If we ever had occasion
>>to meet, I'd be happy to talk to him about it. .
>
>You have an audience. I wasn't completely certain of the state he describes,
>as there is a tendency to relate to the terror at the expense of other
>details, but I interpreted what Robert was experiencing in terms of something
>I would describe using Casteneda's language as "the moment immediately
>prior to breaking the barrier of perception".
>
(Edward fumbles around, looking slightly bemused and slightly distracted)

Uuhhh .. sure.  Ummmm.  I think we might need to actually sit down and 
develop a bit more vocabulary on this before we leap right in and start 
explaining why and how.  I generally do better with this when I can get a 
clear picture of what the other person is experiencing, when they experience
it, what are they doing to get to that position to start with, and where do
they go from there, what happens after.  A few specific examples, even 
written down (ugh) would be better than the bit I have to go on.  

Even though I think that I know what he was talking about a bit, and what you
are referring to also, I'm not sure that they are 1) the same thing, and 2)
whether we're really yet on the same playground here.  

I'm happy to talk to anyone about it, but perhaps it would be better to take 
this to email correspondances amongst those people who want to query me, since
some of the explanations can get 1) personal, and 2) I'm not too fond of 
kibitzers when working with this stuff.  Maybe after we come to some consensus
we can report and repost a line on the topic here if we have anything pertinent
to say. 

			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
			A kinder, gentler vorpal bunny
From: chdp02@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re:Wizard hints...
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:40:51 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


 It's the  " I know something you don't, so bllllllthththtpppt" mentality with
your friend as already you have told us he is slightly more than eccentric.
 Even if all the esoteric material was revealed,published in the newspapers,
 who would understand it? Little more than the number of people already aware
of it. Anyway why censor knowledge? The more the merrier,I say.

 Lets not become like the military and the politicians with their " What they
don't know won't hurt them" attitude,but if we did know ,it would do us a
bloody power of good.

 Anyway Crowley did some good philosophy,but also alot of drugs ,this coupled
with his egocentrc mentality didn't do his image much good,Yet his intentions
were basically good.

 I apologise for any grammatical errors and the disjointedness of this message
 as I am hungry ,wet and extremely pissed off.Not one of my better days.

  Hobbes.--