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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:44:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
: >Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot more
: >fun and a lot more useful.  The splitting of rec.bikes was one of those
: >ideas that sounded good at the time to many people, but it's a failure.
: >David Casseres
: >Exclaimer: Wow!
: 
: I second the motion.
: -Terry

I third it

Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Russian Pro's Cycling Gear
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:14:11 GMT

jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>[Soviet bikes and old technology.]

My first exposure to tandem track racing was a television program in
the 70's.  The announcers mentioned that the Soviets had to have help
getting on and off the bikes because their shoes were bolted to the
pedals, which were in turn bolted to the crank arms.

I noticed recently that some American national-caliber cyclists are
using bolt-on shoes in (singles) track events.

	;-D oN  ( Fools russian where fools have rushed before )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross)
Subject: DAZER ultrasonic dog repeller?
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:15:37 GMT

Some time ago someone posted about a device called a DAZER, which could
ultrasonically drive dogs away.  Has anyone ever tried this device?  It
supposedly sells for $30.  I'd love to have a panic button that I could
press when I suddenly realize a dobie has selected my tender calf as a fun
diversion.  

I tried emailing the original poster, but got no response.  

Thanks,   Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: patrick@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Patrick Goebel)
Subject: Chris Huber's "Cheetah" on display in SF Bay Area
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:50:44 GMT

As mentioned in an earlier message, Coors Light pro Chris Huber broke
the World Land Speed Record (68.73 MPH over 200 meters) in an HPV
called the "Cheetah".  For those of you in the SF Bay Area, the
Cheetah will be on display at Wheelsmith in Palo Alto (225 Hamilton
Avenue) for 4 days - December 17-20.

Cheers,
patrick
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CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd.   FAX:    (415) 321-1192
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07:26 GMT

lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>In article <BzCrvF.KLn@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>>I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on my
>>RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country roads I 
>>ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do with
>>the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a sewup
>>in road feel.
>>-Terry
>Hey, look at that!  I also ride Continental GP's, 700x25.  I think they're
>great tires.  So Terry and I ride the same road tires.  Now if we could just
>get him to ride rapidfire plus off road...

Hee, hee, hee.  I'll ride Rapidfire Plus when Bridgestone puts them on their
mountain bikes. ;)
-Terry
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:15:43 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver-248

In article <1992Dec10.205047.1295@hypnos.bssi.bls.com> dawson@hobbes.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:
>neilf@delfin.com (Neil Frank) writes:
>
>>Before the plug is pulled... could anybody please post how to get the
>>new news groups... It seems that our sight is not receiving the new groups
>>and I would like to know how to rectify this problem....
>>

He will probably kill me for doing this, but, since I was one of the
instigators(it sounds like conspirators should be more appropriate) of
the split, I don't want to leave anybody high and dry.

Please send E-mail to David C. Lawrence at tale@uunet.uu.net
David is in charge of sending out the information for creating
the new newsgroups.

I hope this helps,

Bruce Hildenbrand
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: grande@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (brad.l.grande)
Subject: Happy Holidays
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:47:20 GMT

Well,

today is my last day of work this year!  And I just wanted to say

Happy Holidays Everyone!!!!

See ya next year


Brad Grande	WB0OYX
Another bike riding beer brewing kite flying amateur radio operator who
	still likes CD's!

AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville Illinausea
PLEASE SEND RESPONSES TO:	grande@iwtil.att.com
att!iwtil!grande
(708)-979-7853
From: hassan@ripple.Eng.Sun.COM (Hassan Schroeder - SunConnect Support Services)
Newsgroups: sun.bike,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: No-Rain-Gutter Bike Racks Question
Followup-To: poster
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:25:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ripple
Keywords: Roof, Rack, Gutter, 4Runner, MTB, Ren, Stimpy

My SO and I are considering buying a used Toyota 4Runner, but have a
question concerning bike racks.

This vehicle, which *does* seem to have a lot of nice features, has a
'Rain Gutters = NULL' design. The dealer-installed roof racks screw
into the roof; the accessory pieces for attaching bikes seem pretty
kludgey. (This particular machine has no racks, though.)

Does anyone have any experience with racks made for no-rain-gutter
construction? (We'll be carrying two mountain bikes now, but there's
also a mountain tandem in the future.)

All advice welcome, and I'll summarize if there's interest; thanks!

H*
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: wcarroll@encore.com (William Carroll)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:45:52 GMT

amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton) writes:
>Sorry to hear about that...  But after living in South Florida for many, many
>years, I'm not surprised.  Florida drivers are some of the worst in the
>country.  Many half-blind, half-deaf, 80 year old people in large automobiles
>weaving all the road.  It takes some serious guts to ride a bicycle on those
>roads....

They had a few more details in the paper this morning.

The cyclist died from his injuries. The accident was about 7:30 AM as the
cyclist was riding to work. He was described as an avid cyclist who
frequently took long trips.

The driver was 32, driving (I beleive) a Buick Regal. Not the stereotypical
retiree.

The Broward Sheriff's Office is "investigating". No mention of charges being
filed or who was at fault.

No, I didn't know him, but emotionally I feel it. As someone who also
commutes by bike here, I can't help but think "There but for the grace of
God go I."


And what Allan says about SoFL roads is largely true. FL is slowly catching
CA in the number of cycling deaths yearly, and solidly leads the nation in
deaths per capita. And SoFL is one of the worst areas of the state. But I
would say the retirees get an unjustified share of the blame. IMNSHO the
real danger is the teens and pre-yuppies in their psuedo-sports cars who
seem to think traffic is just another obstacle in the great race course of
life. The retirees are semi-predictable, the Andretti-wanna-bes aren't.

And as someone who doesn't see himself as possessing "serious guts", I
would say that to ride here really takes a lot of determination to do it,
and a lot of caution.


Ride bike, but let's be careful out there.


----
William R. Carroll (Encore Computer, Ft. Lauderdale FL) wcarroll@encore.com

"We trained hard,  but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form
up into teams, we would be reorganized.  I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;  and a wonderful method
it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion,
inefficiency, and demoralization."	-Petronius Arbiter, 210 BC
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1497 rec.bicycles.racing:839
From: miranker@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Miranker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: FTP site for Tour de France pics
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:39:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford
Originator: miranker@nmra.ocms

Does anyone know a good ftp site for Tour de France or any other
bicycle racing images? Any format will do.

Please reply by e-mail, I will summarize.

Andrew

miranker@biochemistry.oxford.ac.uk
From: fhuang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (RECKLESS ABANDON)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: ->Frame Recommendations Needed<-
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:36:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


   I'm taking the next semester off, so I'll have more time to train and
ride. I'm interested in a new bike, and would like to build it from frame
up. Any suggestions on what sort of frame I should get? I'm willing to
spend anywhere from $750 - $1000 and prefer a stiff ride.

-bogueman


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ae505@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank Krygowski)
Subject: dogs & rocks
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:40:45 GMT


I haven't tried the Dazer dog repeller.  Here in Ohio, I find that
dogs are an infrequent problem.  "Halt" pepper spray seems adequate
even though it has shortcomings (short range, accuracy requirement,
and - at least one incident I heard of - the possibility of accedentally
getting your tandem's stoker!)

But I started my biking career in northwest Georgia, and it was a 
different world!  Getting dog-chased once per mile was ridiculously
typical.  Not much sympathy from the owners, either.

My wife got really rattled, and is still scared of dogs when biking.
(Well, have YOU ever had a 100 pound mutt sink its teeth into your
panniers as you rode? )   So, I developed techniques to deal with
them.

1.  Forget the idea of stopping to negotiate.  At least in NW Georgia,
you'll literally never get anywhere.  Forget milk bones.  They don't
deserve positive reinforcement.  Get aggressive!

2.  When you FIRST see the dog, glare at him.  Envision messy bodily
harm happening to the dog, should he attack, and PROJECT this.  See,
in the dog world, a stare is a challenge.  Do it with enough confidence
and most will just look away, as if to say, "Oh, I was just looking
at that squirrel over there...".  It's funny to watch.

3.  If one comes for you, reach into your handlebar bag and pull out
a rock.  Yes, you must carry a handlebar bag, and at least a couple
2" diameter rocks.  With a little practice, you can learn to whip
one out there a good 30 feet while you ride.

4.  If you miss, and it's an important dog (like on a route you or 
your loved ones are going to be using) don't try to outrun him.
Attack.  Turn around and chase the dog.  Eventually, you'll turn
the most aggressive chaser into one who says "Oh, I was just looking
at that squirrel over there..."

Why rocks?  1.  Rocks have range.  I know riders that were seriously 
injured by dogs running into or under them before the Halt could 
take effect.  With a rock, you fire before the dog's close.

2.  You don't even have to throw, half the time.  Many dogs stop as
soon as they see your hand go up.  Humans have been throwing rocks
at dogs for millenia.  The fear of rocks is in their genes.

3. It's good sporting fun!  If you live in a doggy area, you'll soon
find yourself going out of your way to look for targets!

Frank Krygowski  ae505@yfn.ysu.edu.

"The real reason for 20 pound bikes is so you can carry more rocks."
From: r.g.olsen@att.com (r.g.olsen@att.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:44:49 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

Shari Bernhard writes:

> I found out last night that a friend of mine was in a serious accident
> involving a car on his way cycling to work yesterday morning.
> The driver (not the car) ran into the back of him with such a force
> that he slammed into the windshield.

Sorry to hear this.  Hope your friend recovers!

John Forester wonders why many cyclists (like myself)
are concerned about this type of collision, which is
responsible for only a small fraction of car-bike accidents.
Nevertheless, when it occurs, the results are usually very
severe for the cyclist.

I use a rear-view mirror when I ride on the roads, and
check it often when there is lots of traffic.
It's no guarantee of safety, but I feel it helps.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: ellis@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Shawn Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Using a Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour XC Pro Derailleur
Keywords: Shimano and Suntour, Shifting, Gears
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


	I've got a worn out Suntour freewheel.  I would like to
replace it with a better freewheel.  I've heard stories of running a 
Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour Derailleur.  Does anybody have any
experience with doing this?  Does it work ok?  Does the chain skip or
miss cogs? Thanks!

--
	Shawn Ellis
	ellis@cs.umn.edu
	University of Minnesota
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: For Sale: 57.5cm Steelman frame (light!)
Organization: Netcom 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:00:51 GMT



  --------------------  Steelman frame for sale  --------------------

                  57.5cm (center to center) road frame
           Excell tubing, very light steel molybdenum alloy
        DurAce HS, Specialized BB, all braze-ons, Ital threads
            blue with white panels, straight and very clean
                          less than 5K miles
                               $400 OBO

  -------  Email: marquis@netcom.com, Tel: Roger@ 510-547-0950  ------

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: transporting a bike
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:55:57 GMT

>Regards Javier's questions on bike transportation...
>
>Go to your library and check out the last year's worth of Bicycling magazine.
>One of the issues covers all this stuff,  the basic stupidity of the reasons
>for the exhorbatant charges airlines charge in particular. Various fees and
>conditions of the airlines were also outlined.
>
>Often the best thing to do is not declare it as a bike,  just pack it well
>and call it something else.  E.g. golf bags/clubs don't attract nearly the cost
>of bikes,  although that's just an example.  Try booking in as Jack Nicklaus.

I read somewhere recently (either here or in a magazine) that the airlines
have bikes on their list of things to charge more for.  The solution that
someone had success with was to call it an exercise machine -- that wasn't
on their list, so it went for free.


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:31:44 GMT

kronos@cyberden.uucp writes:
>I don't understand the logic of the reorganization. It would make more
>sense to me if the newgroups followed the same lines as the general
>bike community, i.e. roadies, mountain bikers, touring, plus the regular
>miscellaneous group for everything else under the sun. The 
>social issues newgroup seems kind of ridiculous since everyone puts in
>their two bits about these issues wherever they feel like it.

Thank You.
-Terry
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Quads, glutes and calves.
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:43:31 +1300
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <PATRICK.92Dec10215948@casbs.Stanford.EDU>, patrick@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Patrick Goebel) writes:
> I rode 6K miles this year, climbed 325K feet and spent a good amount
> of time near or above my anerobic threshold.  The funny thing is, my
> calves and glutes seemed to benefit the most from the workout, while
> my quads didn't do anything special.  This led me to wonder about the
> more general question:
> 
> What muscle groups are exercised while cycling under various
> conditions?  For example, while climbing I spend about 90% of the time
> in the saddle and try to maintain a fairly high cadence.  Does this
> utilize/work the calves more than the quads?  Vice versa?
> 
> What about climbing standing up?  High cadence versus low cadence
> cruising on the flats?  Sprinting?
> 
> Does genetics play a big role?
> 
> Thanks for your ideas.
> --
> Patrick Goebel                    E-MAIL: patrick@casbs.Stanford.EDU
> Network Administrator             VOICE:  (415) 321-2052
> CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd.   FAX:    (415) 321-1192
> Stanford, CA 94305                BEEPER: Temporarily Out of Order...
> 
Genetics probably plays some role,  we've all noticed how some people look
muscular without trying and others are weeds (Dave Harvey?),  but it is true
that the gluts get more excercise than we often give them credit for.

Also,  if you're doing a lot of seated climbing your hamstrings would be 
doing a lot of work too,  but these don't usually 'bulk up' like quads.

But still,  if the muscles can do the job without getting too big,  that's
less weight you're carrying.

Jonathan.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 5 Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Dec 1992 10:08:33 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on m
>RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country rads I
>ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do wit
>the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a seup
>in road feel.
>-Terry

I *love* my Continentals!  I've been running Sprinters on my racing
bike and GPs on my tandem.  Thing is, I haven't found an MTB slick
I can use for commuting.  They have a couple nice "hybrid" tires, with
slick centers and vestigal knobs on the sides.  They'll only take
65 psi, though.. a step down from my 100psi Fat Boys or 85 psi City
Slickers.  *Then* I was in the local bike store and was told that
there was a Gran(d?) Prix listed at 26" x 2" !!!!!!  Has anyone seen
one of these?  I would be running them tomorrow if I could find a
set.

Mark (national Continental spokesperson....*not*) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: How do I make by stationary trainer not so loud?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:40:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.194833.1757@kbsw1> kevin@kentek.com (Kevin Graboski 806 1032) writes:
>I have a Performance PeakLoad stationary trainer with mag resistance (purchased
>in '90). Does anyone know any tricks to reduce the overall noise output? I am
>especially (sp?) concerned with the amount of noise/vibration passed through to 
>the apartment below mine.
>
>Any advice greatly appreciated.

I'm going to try a large rubber type mat, I too have the same problem! Any info you get could you send me a copy?

NJC

From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: The ultimate bike light plans are available
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:14:34 -0500

Arnie Berger writes:

 AB> I've completed the write-up of how I built the ultimate bike light.
Let me
 AB> know if you would like a copy. The light has been in daily use for
a month
 AB> now and I've quite satisfied with the results.

 Sure would like to hear about it, Arnie. Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: c164-aa@po.berkeley.edu (Paul DuBois)
Subject: Good MTB technique/repair book
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:00:13 GMT

A while ago (1 month, maybe 2?) I was flipping through what I believe was
Mountain Bike and found a pretty comprehensive list of what they considered
to be the better MTB riding technique and/or repair books.  Unfortunately
I can't find the issue any more (big surprise).  I've read the FAQ and it
lists some books, but no descriptions and/or recommendations.  So, how about
it?

Responses will be summarized (up to the end of finals) and then sent off to
Mike Iglesias who maintains the FAQ


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  it a short .sig, you ignore the fact.  Now what do you wish to call this?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,sci.med.nutrition
From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Subject: NEW wonderpill! (was: Re: Bananas vs. PowerBars)
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:52:09 GMT


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jweiss@paintbrush.cgd.ucar.edu (Jeffrey Weiss)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:29:07 GMT

In article <shari.724599467@rlxdev> shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard) writes:

>Having ID wouldn't have stopped this, but it took a long time to find
>out who he was.  Luckily he was wearing a jersey from a local bike shop
>and through a description they figured out it was Dale.  If you go out
>riding, especially alone, bring *some* ID.  It doesn't weigh much.

Let me also emphasize the importance of carrying some ID.  I was once
in a bike accident that resulted in temporary amnesia.  I still don't
remember the accident itself, but luckily I was wearing a helmet.  I
was not carrying ID.  Luckily, I remembered who I was within an hour or
so.  Also, carry proof of insurance (if you have insurance).  I had
quite a time at the emergency room without it, and I think I was not
given all the tests I should have gotten because of it.

--
Jeff
jweiss@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc