From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: CFV s.r.islam.ahmadiya(when losing ...)
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:31:42 GMT

To: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu
In article <Bxw84H.4Gv@ucunix.san.uc.edu> you write:
>In article <dogar.722025866@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
>>desiring the destruction of the
>>Babri Masjid and who knows what other Muslim holy sites,
>
>No. Not destruction, but only a move to a nearby site, Or 
>preferably, an acceptance by all indians that no dar-ul-herbs
>need to be carved out of India.

I would like to point one GRAVE BLUNDER/concious effort to subvert the TRUTH and
facts of History, which "hd" is committing here.

  First, I would like him to  reaslise  the very LIE and propoganda that 
  is being SPREAD, that the structure which Babar constructed is a MASJID. 
  IT IS NOT A MASJID, because consider the following facts
   (for your understanding sake, we shall hence forth call it a structre)

   1. Muslims are not allowed in  to the STRUCTURE to offer their prayers
      by Indian Constituition and Judiciary. And have virtually no say on the 
      matters partaining to that structure or to the places in its neighborhood.

   2. Hindus are allowed to pray, perform RITUALS and have every access to the
      "STRUCTURE". An Idol of of the Hindu god, Sri Rama has been installed and
      all the rituals like offering prayers etc is being done. The Indian 
      Judiciary has also approved a RELIGIOUS PRIEST to conduct daily prayers 
      and other WORSHIPPING rituals.

   3. It has now been proved by "ARCHAELOGICAL SURVEY OF INDIA" that it is
      a construction done after demolishing
   4. As per Islamic rules, ALLAH will not accept prayers offered from a 
      disputed place. (As per the Muslims represented by BMAC). Defenitely 
      not from a structure which is be believed to be a place of worship 
      of other faith.

   5. The various evidences of goddesses, angels, carvings of flowers, broken 
      Idoles, buried under the present structure STAND a proof that IT 
      IS A NON-ISLAMIC structure.
  
      (there are many more evidences, which can be got from any Local Indian 
       news paper or any unbiased Indian source, history books etc,.).

Finally, looks like hd is suffering some problem in his arguments and wants to 
divert the attention away from the actual topic.  

To all those Shakils, Chukka Srinivas and hds  if you really are not 
able to put your arguments convincingly don't jump to BJP or VHP bashing or 
to some thing else.  Just agree that YOU WERE MISTAKEN. Your trying to pull
in some thing new proves your weakness in your defenses. Your accepting the 
weakness in your logics will definitely add to your credibility. 

>>demanding that Muslims not feel any affinity for Arabia or
>>for other Muslims but only for "Hindu" India and other Indians .....
>
>Oh no. I don't demand that for all Muslims, only for all Indians.
>And is there any thing wrong in it?

   hd cool down! even Muslim leaders do not want to identify themselves with 
   Saudi Arabia publicly NOW. They know that the society has started every 
   of their step very successfully. AND Just in case a fellow
   has affinity to some thing else, I REALLY CANNOT FOLLOW HIS (whether muslim 
   or any guy) DUAL-NATURE ness. HAS HE GOT NO CONSCIENCE to live in 
   one country and LOOK TOWARDS another country. (BY the way, can somebody 
   verify the meaning of traitor?)  Very fortunately majority of our Muslim 
   brothers are not like that.

  Especially Indian Muslims, the people who have THEOCRATIC-ISLAM-BASED 
  state do know very well about other Islamic states, atleast the common 
  Indian Muslim. (Can be guaged by their rejecting Pakistan and seettling 
  down in India.)

>>-hd
>---raj
-Indu.
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