HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fs8j@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Fraser Street)
Subject: Re: Name the group?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.115918.20545@abo.fi>, SSTAFFANS@finabo.abo.fi (Simon Staffans Is) writes:
> Hi
>  
>  Could someone please tell me what band did a
> song called something like probably "Dear Prudence"?


Gosh, I don't know, maybe the Beatles?  Or Siouxsie.


-- 

Fraser Street
fraser@Virginia.EDU
University of Virginia
Computer Networks Laboratory

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Subject: Re: TMBG - SHUT UP!!!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:38:48 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <ibhan.720990196@husc8> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:

>scocjk@thor.cf.ac.uk (Christopher Kyle) writes:

>>Will you please shut up about They Might Be Bloody Giants. This is an
>>Alternative music news-group, TMBG are NOT Alternative
>>			               ~~~
>>Piss off and take your mindless, pointless affirmations ("Yes for me" -
>>shut up) elsewhere

>As far as most charts are concerned, they are alternative.  Whether you
>personally consider them to be alternative is irrelevant.  (no offensive,
>but they are generally considered to be alternative).

Who cares what the charts say......


Jack
jis@panix.com

PS: They Might Be A Bad Band (That would be a catchy name for them...)
From: raineykriste@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Bad Examples
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:52:00 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Nov6.074715.26736@midway.uchicago.edu>, dunl@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dude Man) writes:
> Anyone know anything about The Bad Examples from Chicago, other than that 
> they've got two albums?
> Anyone know anything about the history of this band?

Dude Man, you've made my day!  The Bad Examples have been my favorite band 
since I first heard their "Bad is Beautiful" album in the summer of 91 when I 
was an intern at an agency in Minneapolis which does their booking. I 
wasn't aware that they have two albums out, but there are two different 
versions of "Bad Is Beautiful" -- one with "Ragtime" and funky cover art, 
and one without (an earlier version) where the songs are in a different 
order.  Our college student activities board also had a three-song promo 
record from 1989 (?) I think.  

For non-Bad Examples fans--that is, soon to be fans--the four guys are 
based in Chicago and play fun pop/rock/alternative music (for the sake  of 
the newsgroup).  Lead singer Ralph Covert sounds like Neil Finn of Crowded 
House, and their songs are somewhat rockier than Squeeze. The lyrics are 
awesome, the songs have great melodies.  They're definitely worth a listen. 
Are the albums for sale anywhere?

All the history I know is that Ralph is from South Dakota! I have some 
reviews and other info lying around somewhere, too.  And the band will be 
at the Blues Saloon in St. Paul over Thanksgiving, Nov. 27 & 28.

Any other fans out there??? E-mail or posts appreciated!

--Kristen
  raineykriste@bvc.edu
  "IT'S NOT A PERFECT WORLD, BUT IT'S STILL GOOD TO BE ALIVE!"
		--"One Perfect Moment" / The Bad Examples
 
> ========================      			"Real men, they don't cruise
> dunl@midway.uchicago.edu    D U D E   M A N  	 the air. They rocked all night
> ========================              		 and they lost their hair" -L99
> 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jeffs@soul.esd.sgi.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Nation of Ulysses (WAS Fugazi)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: alt.music.alternative
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 04:31:05 GMT

In <1992Nov9.222114.5658@leland.Stanford.EDU> igj@amy13.stanford.edu (Ian Glen Jacobs) writes:

>LONG LIVE IAN F SVENONIUS

Yes sir, even though he holds a pencil funny when he writes.  I
must find the new album, but it's not here locally, so I guess
I have to break down and mail order.

Hopefully the break-up rumors are untrue.

jeffs
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:15206 rec.music.misc:27322 rec.music.industrial:13226
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 15:49:14 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial
Subject: -- WIRE fans please note

Several things to say:

I know there seem to be a LOT of Wire fans on the net.  I was wondering
if anyone knows of a mailing list for Wire.  If not, is there someone
with the resources and willingness to start one?

Also, I'd like to conduct a quick and informal poll on best Wire
album and song.  Please email responses to SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
listing your most favorite Wire album(s) and song(s).

If you were to make a retrospective compilation of Wire material,
including any offshoot or solo material (He Said, Dome, Duet Emmo,
Colin Newman, etc etc...) what would be the essentials to include?

Wire -- the ultimate example of a low-profile, practically unknown
group frequently praised as one of the greatest bands of all time.

Steve Hill                                       SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
Data Communications Technician           William Rainey Harper College
Information Systems department         1200 W Algonquin Rd Palatine IL
-------"No one in power taking blame."-----Skinny Puppy---------------
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: emp1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Ernest M. Paik)
Subject: Re: Cure live CD
Keywords: cure
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:37:26 GMT

swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Bob Swindley) writes:

>A friend was in a (more alternative) record store
>the other day and spied a Cure live CD, recorded
>live in England somewhere. It wasn't their live
>record but actually a professionally packaged 
>bootleg CD.
 ^^^^^^^

are you sure it was a bootleg CD?
The CD "Entreat" (live album) was not released in the states...it's only
available in the USA as an import.
From: chris@Vaduz.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Sonic Boom
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:06:52 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vaduz.docs.uu.se

In article <1992Nov5.124215.1057@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
> Sonic Boom has formed a new band called Spectrum who are a bit like
> Spiritualized but with a trippy dance edge and nowhere near as good.  They've
> released a few singles but nothing special.

Spectrum are trippy alright but where's the dance edge?  Most of their
songs don't even have drums.  Some of the songs only consist of the sound
of crashing surf and some guitar strumming.  IMHO, Spectrum is even
better than Spiritualized.  Sort of ambient indie music...

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: floyd@media.mit.edu (Angus Cleveland)
Subject: Dinosaur Jr. new album
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:19:55 GMT

I just read in the Recent and Upcoming Releases list that Dinosaur
Jr.'s new album won't be out til the end of January.  I was at the 
Sonic Youth show in Boston a couple of weeks ago, and before SY came
on stage they played an entire album of Dinosaur Jr that could only 
have been the new one, cause I had never heard any of the songs before
it sounded like Green Mind part II. 
Anybody know if this was the new album?  If it was why are they waiting
3 more months to release it?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Syd Barrett/Soup Dragons
Originator: tphailey@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:08:41 GMT



I said
 
>>This is what I know and think to be correct, though any true Floyd fan will 
>>know the truth better than I. Syd didn't necessarily fry his brain with drugs,
>>his friends did it to him. There's a difference. His "friends" had been
>>putting
>>acid in his coffee like everyday for a while and he was wigging out,but he 
>>didn't know any better cuz he had no idea that they were doing it. 

he said

>This is not true.

I said

>>See, acid
>>can take a normally non-creative person and make them creative, but if you 
>>give it to someone like Barret, who's a creative genius, it really sends them 
>>over the top. 

he said

>This is also not true, and it indicates that you know very little about
>LSD.

>Chances are, Barrett would have wigged out eventually anyway, and all the
>LSD he took (on his own initiative), probably only accelerated it. 

I say

Well, all i said is that this is what I believe to be true. Did I mention that
I heard all this info from a guy who's been a pharmacist for longer than a lot
of us have been alive? I think he knows the effects of drugs, legal or 
otherwise. Like I said, I'm no huge Floyd fan, but this guy is. He's read most
everything available on the band and Barret, but I could still be wrong. I
said that to begin with. I'm only trying to pass on info. And no, I can't
say I have had the LSD experience (like I would announce to everyone that I 
had), but I know tons of people who have and from what they say, I feel I am
correct in what I say. But this still all goes back to my talks with my
pharmacist friend. Oh yeah, I never meant to imply that Barret never took acid
on his own free will. I'm sure he did, but I've heard from various sources that
his aquaintences spiked his coffee with it a lot more than they should have.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'll try to get stuff right in the future.

TOMASS
From: robj@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Robert Johnson;Phd)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Chumbawamba
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:54:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London


>Chumbawamba were really good when I seen them two summers ago
> in Finsbury Park in London.. They put on one of the most 
> contreversial shows I have ever seen.. They played with
> the AK-47's and I can honestly say that that was the best
> show I seen all summer..

And they're playing again in London tonight, but the
bad news is that it's at The Astoria which is a well known
rip-off joint, so it's 7.50 in!   In the past they've
played 2 London gigs close to each other, one widely
advertised (as this) that is expensive, and one that is often
advertised purely by word of mouth, and held at a small venue
at a reasonable price.   I can't afford 7.50, so I'll live
in hope on that...
Still my fave band though!

			CheerSKi!

--
                         Robert Johnson
Automated Reasoning Group        | email:robj@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Computer Science Department      | tel. :     071-975-5259
Queen Mary and Westfield College | fax  :     081-980-6533
University of London             |
Mile End Road                    |
London  E1 4NS   U.K.            |
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: TMBG - SHUT UP!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:19:11 CST
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <dos105-101192184734@150.203.49.43>, dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.232011.44479@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
> nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, you are right.  But, They Might Be Giants sucks balls.  They are gay as
>> hell.  Why do you waste our time and your time to discuss this stupid band.
>> Of course, they cannot make it to mainstream because either their music is dump
>> or their image is stupid.
> 
>    Now I can't let this pass. Take your opinion to the homophobic paradise
> of alt.flame. I would pity you for your appalling taste, but I really
> couldn't give a shit.

People have misunderstood the meaning of "Gay" in this item.  "Gay" in here
means "Happy".  Not homosexual.  So, please don't mistake the meaning.  I
understand when people see the word "Gay", they relate it to homosexual.  Well,
it is an substitute of "happy".



> 
> --
> Signed,            |   "It is not Life itself which is precious, but
>   Pat Rourke       |    Quality of Life. However, Quality of Life is
>                    |      not an Objective thing; it is up to the
> (you may not have  |        individual to decide what te values."
>    heard of me)    |
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: denmark@spot.Colorado.EDU (Geist)
Subject: Re: SCREAMING TREES/LUNA 11-9!!
Summary: alice in chains tour - denver
Keywords: grunge alice trees 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:24:18 GMT

In article <4f0250q00iUy05e=8R@andrew.cmu.edu> md3n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Megan E. Dietz) drools:
>If you get a chance to see Screaming Trees, don't miss 'em. They kicked
>my ass at the New Music Seminar this summer in NYC, and I had never even
>heard of them before.
>
>And is this rumor that they're touring with Alice in Chains true? (If
>so, can anyone list dates?) Jesus, if they are, we are all going to have
>a huge wankin piece of real grunge heaven, and I will be first in line
>to get my share.
>
>Megan

	Well, as far as the Denver date is concerned, it is true.  Screaming
Trees and Gruntruck will be opening for Alice In Chains on Dec. 11th.  They'll
be playing at the Auditorium Theater, which is part of the Denver Performing
Arts Complex (!!!)  It's all reserved seating; I've heard Alice in Chains, but
not the other two bands and wonder it should be strange that they will be
performing in a theater, rather than someplace where you could mosh or stage-
dive.  Does anyone have any opinions to voice about Gruntruck?  Are they worth
getting there early enough to see?

thx, Roby Denmark		          "you've got your head up your ass
denmark@rtt.Colorado.edu                   to keep yourself covered."
					   --Ned's Atomic Dustbin
From: ctuel@zeus.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: In the Nursery
Date: 8 Nov 92 07:29:21 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo

bgray1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Brandon Gray) said...
|    Hello!  I have a copy of In the Nursery's _Duality_ and was wondering
|what else this band has released that it is worth listening to...

L'ESPRIT (1990) and STORMHORSE (1989???) are very much like this year's
DUALITY, and both highly recommended if you like that one.  SENSE (1991)
is also great, but it isn't available domestically in the States.  Their
earlier albums (IN THE NURSERY, COUNTERPOINT, etc.) are more
industrial'ish and less gothic.  

Your comparison to Enigma is interesting, because the single for
"Sesudient" (off of L'ESPRIT) is subtitled MCMXC.  Enigma's album, which
came out the same year, is titled MCMXC a.d.  I think any fan of Enigma,
who could do without the heavy dance beats, will be blown away by DUALITY
or L'ESPRIT.  (I was!)


-- 
Cliff Tuel                   __o o__ 
HP/Apollo System Admin       \( v )/       YELLO & ART OF NOISE mailing lists:
Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo     /___\      Yello-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu
ctuel@nike.CalPoly.edu         ^ ^         AoN-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu
From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Why I hate Sinead
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:55:45 GMT
	<BxB7DM.24C@acsu.buffalo.edu> <BxFrJ2.JqE@acsu.buffalo.edu>
	<1992Nov9.152721.17813@panix.com>
Organization: Human Communication Research Center
In-reply-to: jis@panix.com's message of 9 Nov 92 15:27:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.152721.17813@panix.com>, Jack Szwergold (js) writes:

js> One interviewer (with Rolling Stone I believe) [...]

How to completely undermine your own argument, lesson 46. Quote from
Rolling Stone :-).

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
					 |<
From: sut@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: The Morrows?
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:40:15 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

Does anyone else know anything about this group, a couple of years ago I heard
them on John Peel. They are from Europe and seemed very weird and wacky.
JP played a song that had a Je T'aime rift in it, I can only describe it
as being remotely Yello'ish but I've scoured the shops, compilation records 
and no joy. Any clues!

thanks
calv
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: kiss me song info
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.210432.16930@tamsun.tamu.edu> kent@stat.tamu.edu (Kent Jordan) writes:
>Hello-
>
>
>Can anyone tell me if they have heard of the song "kiss me"
>which is by Steven Tin Tin Duffy?  (I called the radio station
>and they said that was the title/groupname.)  I was hoping
>to get a copy of the single, but the DJ said it was no longer
>in production...
>
>Does anyone have a copy of this song, or was the DJ just takin'
>me for a ride?
>

It came out in ~1984-85, I think...  Pretty weak album version with
cool mixes (like Depeche Mode... the mixes are a lot better).

He's also released stuff under the name "Dr. Calculus".  His best
song is "She Makes me Quiver", IMHO.

-Howard



-- 
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Howard Berkey						howard@netcom.com
		         Its in my brain now
_________/\______/\_____/\___/\__/\_/\/\/\/\................................

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Subject: Re: Pixies YES - Breeders NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:19:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.141805.28143@news2.cis.umn.edu>, olivier@everest.ee.umn.edu (Olivier Meirhaeghe) writes:
|> 	Gosh...Breaking up the Pixies for the breeders ? huh..The Breeders
|> 	are the worst nightmare of bad uninspired alternative Rock you
|> 	can hear around. I never listened to this Pod Stuff after i bought
|> 	it , but i still listen a lot to the Pixies. The Safari EP is
|> 	worthless..Well..i guess Kim is just on an ego trip and think
|> 	her song are better than Black Francis's...NOT
|> 

There are some signs {at least to me} that the Pixies may not be together 
much longer {and I mean maybe one or two more albums}.  I love the Pixies
and would hate to see them disband, but here's a couple things that make me 
think this:

It's pretty apparent that Black Francis is making sure Kim Deal stays out of
the spotlight with regard to the Pixies.  On older bootlegs {Doolittle and 
before} Kim did much of the between song bantering, and much more singing
than she does now.  It also seems to be that the bass has gotten lost in 
the mix the last couple albums, and especially on their last tour.  She hasn't
had a lead vocal on either of the last two albums, and her backups were even
cut down to virtually nil on Trompe Le Monde.  Essentially, her contributions
to the band's sound are increasingly being muffled.

I read an article {sorry, I don't remember what the magazine was} in which 
Black Francis said something like "This band was never a democracy.  I started
this band.  Anybody that doesn't like it can fucking leave."  It seems that 
Kim has some need to be a {of not THE} primary player in a band, and I don't 
think that's gonna happen with the Pixies.  Black Francis writes all the songs,
and I think that's the way he likes it.

Maybe it's better this way.  Far too often bands get less and less interesting
the longer they stay together.  I'd rather see them break up than be terribly
disappointed by their 7th album.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: schrey@oak.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy M. Schreyer)
Subject: Re: TMBG - SHUT UP!!!
Reply-To: schrey@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:10:43 GMT

In article <96289@netnews.upenn.edu>, kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch) writes:
|> In article <17794.9211051548@thor.cf.ac.uk> scocjk@thor.cf.ac.uk (Christopher Kyle) writes:
|> >Will you please shut up about They Might Be Bloody Giants. This is an
|> >Alternative music news-group, TMBG are NOT Alternative
|> >			               ~~~
|> >Piss off and take your mindless, pointless affirmations ("Yes for me" -
|> >shut up) elsewhere
|> 
|> Wellllll...tickle me pink.  If TMBG is not alternative, than what the
|> hell is?  Next to King Missle, TMBG is probably the goofiest and 
|> characteristically alternative band I've ever listened to.
|> 
   I agree.  If alternative means "not mainstream", TMBG is right up there.

   Tell me pieces like "Minimum Wage", "Dead", and even "Ana Ng" aren't
   alternative!

   You don't have to be cacophonous and angry to be alternative.

-- 
 Timothy M. Schreyer                         schrey@prc.unisys.com
 Center for Advanced Information Technology  (215) 648-2475 
 Paramax Systems Corporation                 FAX: (215) 648-2288
 PO Box 517, Paoli, PA 19301
From: md3n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Megan E. Dietz)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Therapy? live?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:28:18 GMT
	<mcdonghj.721475004@unix2.tcd.ie>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Gotta agree with the last post in this thread. Therapy? was cool live --
obnoxious, but not as bad as others I've seen who didn't have the talent
to back it up.

You'll enjoy them. They're fun.

Megan
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: igj@amy13.stanford.edu (Ian Glen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: stiff little fingers: what to get
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: alt.music.alternative
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:28:22 GMT



They have a number of live albums... many of them quite good... They have  
an excellent Peel Sessions CD which includes a great cover of the Specials  
"Doesn't Make It Allright"

There is a great CD compilation called Imflammable Mateial...

All around a great band... but their CD's cost tooooooo much money in the  
US

-I-
From: gregs@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Sinead quits!
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:35:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)

kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch) writes:

>In article <Bwv724.Mt2@ais.org> paul@ais.org (Paul Vargo) writes:
>>I don't think she quit.  She's in the studios right
>>now with Willie Nelson (can you believe it).
>>
>>paul

>So what are they doing, a compilation?!!

>"The IRS and the Church peel sessions:  A plea for sympathy"

I heard from a local radio station that she has not quit, but is in fact
singing opera in order to strengthen her voice.  Which is very nice, I
might add.  Her voice I mean.

She's screwed otherwise.

-- 
Gregory Sumner                        ::   Go Dawgs!  8-0
gregs@polari.online.com               ::   Don't like it?  Call 
Seattle, Wa                           ::   toll-free: 1-800-WAH-HHHH.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sinn@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Wilson Sinn)
Subject: Info wanted --- Red Flag, The Other Two
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:51:22 GMT

	Does anyone know when will Red Flag's new album come out?  Their
single has been out for at least 3 months now.  And also does anyone has
the followup on The Other Two?  Their single "Tasty Fish" was out for at
least half a year(maybe longer).
	Thanx!
								-Wilson

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ctrexp2@caa.mrs.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Fugazi
Organization: University of Minnesota, Morris
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:44:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.201759.3797@scott.skidmore.edu> jkennard@scott.skidmore.edu (james kennard) writes:

>I heard a rumor, from a person in D.C., that Ian recently left the
>band...but i somehow just don't lay faith into this one yet.  
	I heard that he wanted to go to college, and they broke up.  If 
anyone can disprove this, please do so!!!  (They're supposed to come to my 
hometown over christmas break, and if I don't get to see them I'll be 
slightly miffed.  Ok, Really pissed.

Nate Miller
Millernr@cab.mrs.umn.edu