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From: jerodh@Condor.mcs.kent.edu (Jerod Husvar)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Best BBS system
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:19:44 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

In article <1992Oct13.221908.5972@cs.wisc.edu> rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer) writes:
>In article <9210008.17.719006874@sunvax.sun.ac.za> 9210008@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Conrad Christensen) writes:
>>What would the best BBS system be to start a BBS with : RA or QBBS ...
>>
>>Thanks
>>Conrad
>>--
>>Some of today's contestants will die in household accidents after the show.
>
>
>Well, I would strongly recommend TBBS over either, I set up an RA system, spent
>lots of time on it and was dissatisfied with the results.  If you want a custom
>system, do yourself a favour and spend the extra US$240.
>RA and QBBS are "virtually" identical in their most recent versions.  

I would also have to agree, TBBS is well worth the price and allows you nearly
unlimited expandability.  We run a 10 line BBS on a single CPU, and could,
in theory, run up to 64 lines on one machine.  With TBBS, the posibilies are
endless.  Especially if you are willing to take the time to learn how to 
program in TDBS, which is essentially dBASE III+.

Jerod J. Husvar

Sysop At Large
Akron Info and Party Line BBS

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From: kevinm@terapin.com (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: ARexx Upload Counter->C-Net Amiga
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:11:56 GMT
Organization: BBS

Help!  I've been looking all over for a program that will keep track of uploads
on a C-Net BBS (Amiga).  This is for an upload contest, and I know that it
exists, because I've seen one before, I just can't find it now that I need
it!!!
Please respond to: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
or less reliable : kevinm@teripin.com

Thanks!!
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:6393 alt.bbs.internet:3895 alt.bbs.lists:1279
From: acyoung@suneagle.syr.EDU (Aaron Craig Young)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Federal Information BBS's ON and OFF of internet.  ???
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:41:02 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY


Hello all,

I am trying to find any and all ways to get federal information via
phone or internet.  I am taking a class in US and Federal Information
and have been told that many agencies are online.  I don't mind making
a long distant data call.  Does anyone know of these numbers or how
I can get them?  Whatever answers I find, I will post.

Thanks,

Aaron
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Best BBS system
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:31:28 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer) writes:
>>Well, I would strongly recommend TBBS over either

...six, five, four, three, two, and....

>TBBS is fine if you can live with its limitations -

Right on cue!  Knee and jerk.

>  o 64 message areas

Glad to see you're still committed to including at least one lie about
TBBS in every message you post on it.
-- 
To err is human, but I forgive you.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: Stealing software (wa
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:59:07 GMT

In article <672.14.uupcb@ncoast.ORG>
 flbbs!larry.mittman@ncoast.ORG (Larry Mittman)  writes:

>I have stood on the sidelines of this debate too long. As a 
>programmer, I deal with the possibility of theft all the time. 
>If you were a company who tried to use copied software that you 
>did not purchase, the FEDERAL COURTS would slap a very large 
>fine on you (MANY THOUSANDS of DOLLARS!). This is not me blowing 
>hot air, I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN MANY TIMES! That is why companies 
>are enforcing strict copyright following rules! 

Yes, and this is because of *copyright* laws, not theft laws.  There are 
punitive fines for disobeying the law and damages involved due to lost 
sales.  The point many people were making before is that the damages 
involved with Joe Smith making a copy of Lotus 1-2-3 are very small, and 
some would argue that there are *no* damages involved if Joe Smith were not 
going to spend the money to purchase it under any circumstances.

Not being able to read the minds of any judges who might be involved in such 
a case, I suspect that being on the side of the current laws, most would 
slap punitive damages on, even if there were little or no actual damages 
involved.

>Now, if anyone is still having a hard time understanding this, 
>consider the following. You spend many hours researching a topic 
>in the library. Then you "sweat blood" composing a very thoughtful 
>and incisive termpaper on your word processor. Just under the 
>deadline you complete it and print it out. You go off to the pub 
>for some "brewskies" to relax. While you are gone, Joe Schmoe, the 
>yuppie brat from down the hall comes into your room, looks at the 
>directory, sees your project on the hard disk, and makes a copy 
>(using his own floppies of course). He goes back to his room, 
>changes some spelling and the author's name (5 minutes work) then 
>prints it out. He submits it first and gets credit for a "Job 
>well done". Now, you were the one who did all the work, should he 
>be allowed to get credit or even to use your paper without your 
>permission? This is the same case as software PIRACY - nothing 
>more or less than PURE, UNADULTERATED THEFT!!! 

Again, someone who doesn't understand the issues involved.  Why is this a 
case of piracy and what is being stolen?  The *credit* for the work is being 
stolen.  Because he/she who publishes first gets credit, copyright, possible 
future money, grades, etc.  It is unforgivable, yet happens all the time.  
How many times can you tell this exact same story except that instead of Joe 
Schmoe copying the paper or disk, an eminent researcher puts his/her name on 
the paper instead of yours when publishing?  Same amount of theft goes on, 
really.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Stealing software (was: Re: Big Brother BBS policies)
From: ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com)
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:08:38 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: ivler

In article <jdecarlo.319.718630704@mitre.org>, 
jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo) writes:
>> In article <702@alchemy.UUCP> tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood) writes:
>>  [Ferrari example omitted by Mr. DeCarlo]
> Take your example of stealing a Ferrari because you can't afford one.  
> Obviously an example of misunderstanding the situation.  OTOH, suppose 
> you went and stole a Ferrari from your neighbor in such a way that she still 
> had her Ferrari (now there are two Ferraris where there was just one before 
> you stole hers),  now the situation would be analogous.  

Of course, there are the people that make Ferrari's that might have a minor 
problem with you getting one and not paying for it.

Consider how hard Levi Strauss and other manufacturers go after people that 
copy thier designs (right down to the labels) and resell them. Or Disney, who 
goes after anyone who uses Mickey Mouse's likeness without permission.

Making a copy of my work, and then using it without compensation to me, the 
author, is THEFT! (see US Constitution Section 8 {Powers of Congress} item 8)

If it has a copyright, and 99.9% of the software sold does, then the holder of 
the copyright has exclusive rights to it. That means it is his to do with as he 
wants. If he is only willing to trade it to you for coinage, then if you have 
it and didn't make the trade with the copyright holder, you have stollen it.

SIMPLE. ISN'T IT?

jmi
ivler@mdcbbs.com
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:14:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.bbs

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: cc935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerrold T. Sithe)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: RE: Stealing Software
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:00:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>You keep trying to convince people here that piracy is wrong because
>of the simple fact that it's "theft". You just haven't noticed that
>many people don't feel it is because there's no physical material
>being taken away from the owner....Like somebody said a few posts ago:
>there's a difference between something inherently wrong (i.e. killing
>somebody), and something that a law says you can't do (i.e.
>duplicating magnetic bits).
>
>Edgar Martinez                UTArlington Co-op program (Great!)
>emartine@digi.lonestar.org    DSC Communications Corp.  Plano, TX


        This was well said.  I propose copying software is inherently wrong.
It is wrong because, regardless of whether it qualifies as "theft," it is
a violation of the wishes of the author which is a violation of his
intellectual property rights (the right to control and dispose of the products
of his own mind).  If he requires I send him a flowery Christmas card every
year upon purchasing his software, and if I choose to buy his software knowing
this, then I should respect that wish.

        Everyone here seems to understand and support material property rights.
But many brush off intellectual property rights.  If we examined the moral
reasoning justifying material property rights, I think we would find it equally
as valid in justifying intellectual property rights.  The same rights that
protect the fruits of our physical labor must protect the fruits of our
intellectual labor, and for the same reasons.
From: trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ted Wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS program
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:21:06 GMT
Organization: Indiana University



	Hi.  I am one of those folks who does NOT have a 386 (yet).
I still have a 286.  Well, actually, this is a rented computer.
It is a PS/2 Model 50 Z.

	I would like to have a small mud on my machine.  I have the
disk space.  That's not a big problem.  But, are there any OLD mud/muck/
lpmud  versions out there that will work on a 286??????

	If you have an old one, or know of a sourse, please
e-mail me.  Thanks

Ted
-- 
         Swallowing your pride rarely leads to indigestion.
         A hard thing about business is minding your own!
-trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu   &    trwagner@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu-
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From: adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Best BBS system
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:07:42 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <Bw7o4B.9oG@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
>TBBS only supports 65000 messages, correct?  That alone is very limited
>- we currently have 120,400 messages on-line.  Also, doesn't TBBS have
>some limit on message size?  We have messages up to 200K in size here -
>will TBBS support messages up to 200K in size?
>

Somebody else has answered the total-number-of-messages issue.  I have to
admit, I've never been overly occupied with my message size.  For what it's
worth, though, message size is configurable by the sysop.  But even if it
doesn't go up to 200K, so what?  See, TBBS has this revolutionary concept
known as "file attach."  I know the concept is difficult for somebody
immersed in Unix to understand, but over here in MS-DOS land, we don't
have to worry about stuff like uuencode -- we just send the file!

-- 
Adam Gaffin
Middlesex News, Framingham, Mass.
adamg@world.std.com
Voice: (508) 626-3968. Fred the Middlesex News Computer: (508) 872-8461.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Need Info on SysOp Deals from Modem Manufaturers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:16:38 GMT


I'm looking for information on the various special deals that modem
manufacturers offer to BBS SysOps. At one time there was a file
somewhere which compared the SysOp programs for every manufacturer that
offered one. Anyone know where I can get a current version of that file?
Barring that, where can I find the info on Supra's SysOp program?

Thanks very much.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Z*NET PC Issue 34
From: znet@status.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 09:32:16 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway

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From: gumby@works.uucp (gumby-head)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: piracy
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:01:17 EDT
Organization: The Works BBS - Informational Archives - Est. 1985

Yes, piracy is wrong and illegal; BUT, when you consider that most of the 
software that is produced here in the U.S. is chock full of bugs, why 
should I pay good money for it??  EVERY piece of software I have ever 
purchased is full of bugs.  And, of course, it's another case of caveat 
emptor (buyer beware)  Im not speaking of merely $40 games and such, but 
also of things like OS, DOS, ORCA, AppleWorks, GEOS (incl GEOFile, etc), 
Broderbunds C++, Meridians Ada, etc, etc, etc.  I have spent several 
hundred dollars on defective software and I don't see why I should 
continue.  

Perhaps we should be like England and other countries and produce 
bug-free (or virtually bug-free) software instead of the crap that we are 
and then we wouldn't have such a high amount of piracy.

Heck, alot of my homebrew software is better than the commercial stuff 
I've bought!
From: bitbangr@moosevax.cojones.com (Anthony W. Hursh)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Stealing software (was: Re: Big Brother BBS policies)
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:00:12 GMT
Organization: Dead Moose Enterprises

tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood) writes:

> Your understanding of the relationship between wrong and illegal is flawed.  
> There are things which may be wrong which may not be illegal, but anything 
> illegal is wrong.  Illegal is a subset of wrong, not an intersection.

I certainly agree that software piracy is both illegal and wrong, but
don't necessarily agree that "illegal" *always* implies "wrong". For
instance, it would have been illegal to help Jews escape Nazi Germany,
but I don't think it would have been wrong.

Laws are only as moral as those who make them.


--
Author of WWCP, Waffle-WWIV gateway software. Send email for info.
Internet: bitbangr@moosevax.cojones.com 
WWIVnet:bitbangr#moosevax.cojones.com@500 or: 1@500
UUCP: ..!uunet!coldbox!moosevax!bitbangr
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay)
Subject: Re: multinet BBS in UK
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.045823.29394@news.Hawaii.Edu> JOEL@jach.hawaii.edu (Joel Aycock) writes:
>aloha-
>
>	I'm looking for a modem-accessable (free or subscription) BBS
>service in the UK, accessable by MODEM, that allows access to
>INTERNET/MULTINET/BITNET so that my father-in-law can send/receive EMAIL
>to our site in HAWAII.... (ie cheaper than ATT). 

Hi,

I attempted to email you but the mail bounced :-(.

Here are brief details about the _CONNECT_ BBS service in
the UK which offers the services you are after -- I;m afraid
it is based in London but its cheaper than calling the US
from Scotland.

The service can be accessed via our main dial in number
081-863 6646 and provides News, Mail, FTP, TELNET, IRC etc
to subscribers.

If you would like more infomration and an information sheet
mail me and I will try to send one out to you.

Regards
ALan

PS we directly connected to the Internet our IP number is
192.68.174.65 (ibmpcug.co.uk).


-- 
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Tel.     081-863 1191   Fax: 081-863 6095   Harrow HA1 4LQ, ENGLAND
Email:   alanj@ibmpcug.CO.UK                Path: ..!uknet!ibmpcug!alanj
***  For all users of IBM PC & ALL Compatibles  *** (+ Standard Disclaimer)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford)
Subject: Re: OPUS BBS SOFTWARE -FIND?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:27:33 GMT

In article <743.14.uupcb@ncoast.ORG> flbbs!gary.flinn@ncoast.ORG (Gary Flinn) writes:
>Could some one tell where I can find the Opus BBS software?  A friend of
>mine is looking for it and cant' find it anywhere.  Any help or
>information on where he or I can get the Opus software would be
>apprecitated.  Thanks!
>                                



Both Garbo and Simtel carry Opus files.  Or feel free to call my
bbs and download.  I'll be glad to comment on Opus if you like.
I've been using for a number of years and am just finishing a QWK
mail door for it.
-- 
Keith E. Ford     __
Intergraph Corp  /  \ Micro Magic BBS 1:373/12  The Dragon Server
+1 205 730-8614  \__/ sysop@umagic.fidonet.org  server@ingr.com
fordke@ingr.com  [__] 830-2362 HST/V32bis 9600  "Subject: HELP"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: ivan@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Ivan Leong)
Subject: Re: FidoNet
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:54:38 GMT

Tom Pugh (pugh@skiing.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote: 

>I don't want to bring up an old subject again, but I'd like as much
>information on FidoNet and how to get into it.  I'm running Telegard
>2.7 on an MS-DOS machine, so any information regarding running it with
>Telegard would be helpful also.  (Please, no information on bbs
>programs that might better fit my needs <g>).

The easiest way, I'd say, is to locate the Fidonet node nearest you.
Bug him for info and/or if he fails to satisfy your needs, get an
ASCII text from him called NODELIST. This is the 'telephone directory'
of Fidonet and lists ALL 16,000+ Fidonet nodes around the globe, with
data like BBS name, tel, baud rate, location, sysop name, etc.

Uncompressed, it's 1.5Mb in size; filenamed as NODELIST.xxx where xxx
is the Julian date of its release, which is on the Friday of every
week.

'il
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Fidonet:  6:600/500.0                  Miqas/2 [Singapore]
Internet: ivan@ntu.ac.sg  _OR_  bz7004742@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: How to access USENET from home.
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I will appreciate if some one give me some information on how to access USENET
from my PC at home.  Thank you
From: tdodson@hotcity.COM (Tim Dodson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: RE: Stealing Software
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:55:03 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Oct12.162755.28574@digi.lonestar.org>,
emartine@digi.lonestar.org (Edgar Martinez Martinez) writes:
>In article <701@alchemy.UUCP> tim@alchemy.UUCP (Timothy M. Hood) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep20.013835.3632@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> florian@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
wr
>ites:
>>
>>>  I to, program software.  Doors specifically.  However, his logic is sound,
>>>  yours is not.  He is correct in saying that you cannot consider it a sale
>>>  lost simply because he didn't buy the software.  In truth, you would have
>>>  never gotten the sale.  Alot of people who do pirate software do so for
>>>  financial reasons.  I'm not saying it's right, but to say that you are 
>>>  losing money because someone pirated your software is ludicrous.
>>>  Actually a good example is three friends of mine got together an chiped 
>>>  in money to buy Falcon 3.0.  They did this and each made a copy.  Now
>>>  the software industry would look at that as 2 lost sales, when it is 
>>>  truth one gained sale because if they hadn't done it the way they did
>>>  that glossy little box would have stayed on the shelf.
>>
>>The issue is not lost sales, it's THEFT.  Piracy is wrong not because of lost

>>sales, but because of THEFT!  Following the sub-100 I.Q. logic suggested in 
>>these posts means I am perfectly justified in stealing a Ferrari.  It's a car
I
>
>>could never afford to buy, yet I want it.
>>
>>Right now, I just do with my Audi.
>>
>>Timothy M. Hood
>
> Actually, following the logic in the post above, you should get a bunch of
>your friends together, chip in 1000 dollas each, and then buy a Ferrari among
>all of you. You keep trying to convince people here that piracy is wrong
>because of the simple fact that it's "theft". You just haven't noticed that
>many people don't feel it is because there's no physical material being taken
>away from the owner. Therefore you're gonna have to come up with a better
>argument than just saying: IT'S THEFT!, or an argument proving that there's
>a similarity between stealing something physical, and copying something. Like
>somebody said a few posts ago: there's a difference between something
>inherently wrong (i.e. killing somebody), and something that a law says you
>can't do (i.e. duplicating magnetic bits).
>
>
>
>Edgar Martinez                UTArlington Co-op program (Great!)
>emartine@digi.lonestar.org    DSC Communications Corp.  Plano, TX
>b645zju@utarlg.uta.edu        University of Texas at Arlington
>"My bathroom fan goes out straight into my living room"
good call! quite a good support for software piracy, I do agree that if a whole
bunch of freinds chip in aren't they all entitled to it? but.....
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From: norstar@tnl.com (Daniel Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: TNL OFFERS LOW-VOLUME UUCP EMAIL ACCTS
Keywords: UUCP, email, internet, free
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:49:21 GMT
Organization: The Northern Lights, Troy NY


The Northern Lights is now offering FREE UUCP electronic mail accounts.
We cannot offer USENET news feeds due to our contract with PSI, our internet
host.

If you want 1-hop access to internet email, login as 'new', create an
account, and send 'feedback' to the sysop requesting a UUCP account. This
service is provided to aid small systems in getting connected. You must run
UUCP to use this service.

Subdomains under '.tnl.com' are also available, although connecting sites are
encouraged to get their own domain name.

Call: 518 237-2163.

Currently daily usage is low enough to permit this service. Should we even-
tually get higher traffic, this service may be discontinued for new applica-
tions.

-- norstar
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