From: steven@guava.net.com (Steve Nelson)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:05:21 GMT

In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
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>Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
>done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that, 

Lying to Congress is currently a crime.
                  --

>you would have
>to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list. 
>

Please provide specific information, including the name of any
administration officials, the date of occurrences, the person or persons
to whom the information was provided, the text of the information provided, 
the sources you referenced, and evidence to prove that the information 
given was incorrect and was knowingly provided with the deliberate intent 
to deceive, which indicates that any senior official in the FDR, JFK, or 
LBJ, administrations or that the president himself ever lied (knowingly 
provided incorrect information with the deliberate intent to deceive) under 
oath, in a court of law, during a deposition, or to Congress.

Without specific supporting data, your blanket statements will be taken 
for what they are: unsubstantiated allegations.  If you want to convince 
readers that your statements have some basis in fact and that,
therefore, your argument is well founded, you would serve yourself well
and may even win some friends and influence people by providing solid,
specific, well documented facts which support your general statements.


>FDR's lies to congress got us into the war against Germany. 
>

Let's start with the above statement:

Did FDR or one of his senior administration officials lie to Congress?

If it was official(s), who was(were) the official(s)?

What were the dates of the lies? (you indicate multiple lies with the
plural)

What part of Congress was lied to? A single member? A committee?
The House? The Senate? The entire Congress?

What were the texts of the lies?

Provide evidence that shows that the information provided was incorrect.

Provide evidence that shows that the information provided was intended to 
deliberately deceive Congress?

Show how "FDR's lies" to Congress got the United States into World War II 
against Germany? (once you have established that there were lies and 
documented them, show that an effect of the lies was U.S. involvement in
WWII against Germany)

Provide sources for all of your information.


Once you have adequately answered all of the above, you will have provided
an excellent, well founded argument of your statement. 


>Next, much of the alleged lying was not done under oath. This is the
>first time (I believe) that anyone has tried to prosecute non oath
>testimony before Congress. Next, much of the alleged lying was
>omission, not commission (i.e. things were left out).
>Finally, Walsh is as guilty of it as Weinberger - in his statements
>about where he lives and reimbursements thereof.
>

Again, please provide the above requested information to support your
allegations concerning Lawrence Walsh.

>
>Bruce E. Hayden
>(303) 758-8400
>bhayden@csn.org
>

Steve                         Go Bears!!
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