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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: Half a question
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:06:54 GMT

In article <009652AD.67B603C0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
> Hi there
> I have seen refs call the penalty distance
> as "half the distance to the goal line".
> Can anyone tell me when is this and not 
> penalty by no. of yards (like say 10) 
> is enforced.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> Bye.

Half the distance to the goal line is called on penalties which move the ball
within range of the end zone in either direction.  If the ball is inside the
10 in either direction and any penalty (5, 10 or 15 yard variety) is called
in the direction of the goal, the penalty is marched off to half of the 
distance.  If the ball is inside the 20, half the distance is enforced on 10
and 15 yard penalties.  If the ball is inside the 30, only a personal foul will
cause half the distance.  The lone exception to these distance calls is pass
interference, which is a spot foul; ball is placed at the spot UNLESS the foul
takes place within the endzone, in which case the ball is spotted at the 1 yard
line.

Later.

HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER!
From: Kalle.Kivimaa@hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman admits to fumble?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:30:27 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
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In <1992Dec14.022935.10618@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:

>hand before his arm started foreward which makes it a fumble.  I cannot
>quote the rule, but if a QB's arm starts foreward in an attempt to pass
>the ball before he loses it, it is ruled incomplete.  The Aikman case

WROOOONG!

"A Forward Pass is a pass that:
 (a) moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after
     LEAVING THE PASSER'S HANDS and before touching another
     player; or
 (b) is handled (regardless of the direction of movement of the ball)
     by a player who is in advance of a teammate from whose hands he
     takes or receives it."
(Note: emphasis mine)

I guess the refs were right after all.... :-)
BTW, you can throw a backward pass with your arm moving forward.


Sometimes I really wish that people watching football would take
the time and read the rule book before starting to bash referees...
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Leroy Butler v. Rod Woodson (was Re: Leroy Butler)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 DEC 92 10:27:07    

In article <1992Dec10.202901.28344@pellns.alleg.edu>, freshlt@quig16.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly) writes...

>	Yes but this was completely different from Rod Woodson's hit  
>on Moon.  Butler's hit came, as you say "many seconds after Andre  
>Ware had gotten a pass off".  In Woodson's case, Moon was in the act  
>of throwing the ball when he was hit by Moon.  Result=  Butler-  
>illegal hit (cheap shot),   Woodson - good, legal hit.

Once again, Butler's hit was not "many seconds" after the pass was 
released.  The league has said that the problem they have with the hit 
was not the timing or even the severity of the hit (Ware didn't even 
go down) but the fact that Butler left his feet to deliver the blow.

If he hadn't done that it wouldn't even have been noticed.

JGH
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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: Re: How are Playoff schedules figured?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:48:28 GMT

kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick) writes:
>Is this how it is?
>		      Second Division Winner  \ ___________________ \
>Best Wildcard      \  _____________________>  /                      \
>Worst Div Winner   /                                                  /  Super
>		       Best Division Winner  \  ___________________  /   Bowl
>Second Wildcard    \ _____________________>  /
>Third Wildcard     /

This is pretty close.  If I'm not mistaken though, two teams from the same 
division cannot play in the second round unless there are 3 teams from the 
same division in the second round(which is possible this year).  I think
this is right.  Anyone else want to give this a try?


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From: potts@tom.rtp.dg.com (Richard Potts)
Subject: Re: fastest TD drive?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:21:41 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

I can think of a drive that lasted :02 from a few years back.  Remember
the Cinci vs. SF game when Sam Wyche tried to run out the clock at the
end of the game and turned the ball over to SF with :02 on the clock?
Montana to Rice, touchdown... SF wins... TD drive :02.

I don't think any of the 90+ yard drives mentioned in this thread were
covered in less than :02.  Although, Bo Jackson's run in Seattle may have
been very close :-)
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Dominant Teams of the Nineties
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:43:33 GMT

In article <8092@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:

>Dallas - Definitely THE team of the 90's

And boy you just ain't a whistlin dixie...

>The Chargers.  I don't know much about them, but they have had a solid
>defense for a few years, and they seem to be improving.  Weak schedule
>makes for an illusion of strength.

I think that the Chargers would have been A LOT better team had Friesz 
not gotten hurt right off the bat.  He is a good solid QB, and their 
defense is incredible.  Mims looks really tough, and the usual guys are 
there.  I think that they oculd use a little improvement on the line, and
time for friesz to heal...They are really solid at all of the other 
skill positions!!!

Sean


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From: mark@totaltec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Come back instant replay !!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:48:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Total Tec Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.002527.21325@wheaton.wheaton.edu>, mcelha@david.wheaton.edu (Geoff McElhanon) writes:
> I don't care what anyone says.  Washington did not win, Dallas did not lose.
> They got robbed.
Talk about 49er fans whining...give me a break...wait I hear the violin playing

> 
> I am referring to the play that resulted in the go ahead TD for Washington in
> the final two minutes of play.  The instant replay seemed clear enough to me on
> two points.  Aikman's arm was definitely in forward motion.  The ball popped
> out and up, just out of the reach of Aikman's hand, following it back.  Aikman
> did what everybody else would have done.  He tried to "recover" the should have
> been incomplete pass, but he didn't.  Then Emmit Smith picked up the ball and
> did what any decent running back would do.  He tried to advance it out of the
> end zone.  If you looked carefully at the instant replay, the ball was still in
> his hand when his knee touched the turf, but he "fumbled".  
> 
> The result: Washington 20, Dallas 17.
> What should have happened?  Dallas 3rd and ## from the 4.
			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
O.K. Then after 3rd and ## from the 4 the Cowboys don't get the first down
and are forced to punt. The Redskins block the punt and recover it in the end
zone. Or they receive the punt on their on 40 and drive to the Cowboys 4 yard
line. Then with 3 seconds left Rypien takes it in on a  bootleg to win the game

Do you get it yet? Woulda...Coulda...Shoulda...
Take your medicine like a man! The Cowboys lost and thats that.
You Cowboy fans said the same thing after the Eagles kicked their butts.
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Mirer stinks plus NFL agreement! (Was: Re: Waitin' Until Next Year)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: draft, prediction, bold
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:34:00 GMT

In article <10DEC199208375196@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com>, 
rx84335@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK writes...
>In article <1g65ijINNede@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) 
writes...
>>>>pick  team                        player
>>>>----  ----                        ------
>>>>
>>>> 1  Seattle             Rick Mirer, QB, Notre Dame
>> 
>>  No doubt that Seattle will have the number 1 pick (unless they've traded
>>  it away).  But I don't think they will pick a QB with it.  They've spent
>>  thier last 2 first round picks on Stoufer (traded thier '91 #1 for him)
>>  and last year picked McGuire with thier #1.  They don't have room for another
>>  #1 pick at QB, besides I think they would take Toretta from Miami over
>>  Mirer.
>> 
>  NO WAY!!!  Toretta will not be the 1st QB picked!  Mirer will go before,
>             so will Bledsoe if he comes out!  Toretta is not that good!
> 
>>  Curt

No way! Mirer stinks! The only reason that people talk about Mirer at all is 
that he went to Publicity U, Notre Dame. If he were a quarterback at Ohio 
State, no one would be even considering him for the NFL, much less a 1st round 
pick and possibly the first quarterback taken next year in the "draft". 

It does appear that a draft will occur next year. I read in today's USA Today. 
This is what it involves:

1) Each club can name one "franchise" player a year to be exempted from free 
   agency for which the player would be assumed 120% of his last year's salary 
   or the average of the top five salaries at his position. Players after five 
   years in the league would get free agency.
2) In 1993, teams would have right of first refusal on two players, but only 
   one in 1994 and none after that.
3) A salary cap for rookies which would be based upon a percentage of league 
   revenues. Also a general salary cap could occur in some years as follows: if 
   player salaries add up to 67% of "designated" league revenues, a cap would 
   be put in place for the next year at 64% of gross revenues, but would be 
   lifted once salaries fell below some unspecified level.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
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From: pas203@math.concord.wvnet.edu (Eric DeHaven)
Subject: Miami Dolphins Report
Summary: let's do it
Keywords: what about them?
Organization: Mathematics Department, Concord College
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 20:31:43 GMT

Ok. Ok.  I'll be the first to admit that I stepped beyond my actual 
knowledge of recent situations concerning the Dolphins, so I'm going to 
resort to a laid-back discussion.

As I said last week, don't be hurt over the 49er's loss.  There has been a 
lot of talk lately about whether the Dolphins can win their division.  The 
answer is yes with a little help (a Buffalo loss).  I feel confident that we 
can win the last three games, but it must be done to have a chance at the 
title.  Buffalo does have a fairly tough schedule remaining and they will 
have to play better than they are now.  It's just a matter of time before 
teams figure out the no-huddle offense, anyway.

vs. Raiders -- Miami does not have a winning record against the Raiders and 
especially have trouble against them on Monday nights.  The key to winning 
the game is having the defense return to normal after letting receivers run 
all over them.  Again, Offerdahl may or may not play.  Against the Niners, 
he felt he had to play, but was unable to stay in the game for its 
entirity.  Vincent told the press that he liked covering the big-play 
receivers, but forgot to tell the press he lacked the experience.  One more 
year and Vincent will be a true force.  As for the offense, my prediction of 
Marino being sacked less came true - he was brought down only once.  The 
running game was almost non-existant and will be tough going this week, 
also.  Looks like Higgs won't get 1,000 yards.
Tough game to call - both teams will be playing for their goals - playoff 
spots!

Miami        17
L.A. Raiders 10

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

PS. If there is anyone wanting the Miami Dolphin players' stats so far, I 
have them for the offense.
From: august@hlpdsk.uucp (Ray August)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:10:45 GMT
Organization: nasa-jsc
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Donald Lingle (dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: I agree Jim Johnson is quite the whinner.
: He has won some games, but As I said earlier if a coach
: cannot show that he has confidence then the team will go downhill.
: I have a notion that the Cowboys will get beat by the 49er's.


Dallas is a solid all around team, but they won't get the chance
to play the 49er's; I don't think they can beat the Saints, who
will probably be their first opponent in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
I know the game will be in Dallas, but NO plays well on the road.

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Saints/Bills This Sunday
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:21:01 GMT

In article <BzKvv8.4xA@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.210722.13224@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec19.141633.3103@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec18.175625.245@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>>This should be an excellent TEST for both of these teams. The 
>>Saints D up against the explosive Bills offense. If the Saints
>>can neutralize the Bills O, then it will be long day. Conversely,
>>if the Bills can pick apart the Saints D, then watch out. The
>>Saints, IMHO, will be Kelly's face all day and Hebert could show
>>his stuff. The NFC already won Saturday's game, Giants 35  Chiefs 21.
>>Let us make it another NFC win.
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, but it was an AFC win. The Bills are 4-0 against
>the defense this year (5-0 after the Super Bowl). That should send all you
>NFC woofers running home with your tails between your legs.
>
I am standing tall and proud. Kelly played lousy, he savior was
Thomas! Hebert, who I think really sucks, did not let me down.
Remember, before you starting smiling ear-to-ear, the playoffs
are next.  Since I am a NFC supporter, my woofing will always be
for them. Tell me, are any different when it comes to your AFC?


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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Watters status????
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:34:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




Watters is still complaining of sores.  But why start him and risk further
injury?  Amp Lee has done a great job gaining over 100 yards against a D
which has not allowed a 100-yard rusher all season.  A backfield of Watters
AND Lee... hmm, now that should give defensive coordinators fits through the
playoffs.


satish nair
giants (5-11 in '92)
From: harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman admits to fumble?
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:22:22 EDT
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In article <1gicidINNb51@rodan.UU.NET>, smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.150755.27406@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.015050.4519@wam.umd.edu>, loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:
>>     Saw interviews of Aikman and slowed down end zone footage of the play.
>>Nice bit of sportsmanship on Aikman's part to avoid the 'Cryboy' pattern of
>>old -- especially when he knew that it was a fumble.
>>
>>     A very dignified move, Troy.  Kudos.
>>
>>Later.
> 
> Definitely.  If he could only teach some humility and respect to
> Irvin...
> 
> From the sounds of it, maybe he realised there was no way he was going to
> pass it over the defender, and though for a *moment* maybe he could get
> away, or maybe that he'd just suck up the safety.
> 
> Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
> smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm

True it is much better to have a saftey, then to throw a ball that has
interception written all over it.  The pressure can in so fast Aikman did not
have time to react. (Properly)  So he desided to pump fake and get out of the 
end zone, but the defender did not buy the fake and instead charged him and
boom. Fumble.  

I felt like two other plays were much worst.
1.  E. Smith's play to toss the ball out of the end zone. He should have just
fell on it.  Take the saftey.  Your still up by 2. 17 - 15.

2.  They were on the 2yr line, 3 down and goal. Your ahead by 7, run the ball. 
If you do not get the TD take the FG.  Have confidence in your D.
Besides the person he threw to had 2, yes 2 defenders on him.  I know Aikman is
good, but Don't force the ball.  IF you do then you look like Ryphen. 8-).
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Schedule
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:27:17 GMT


Could someone please e-mail me the NFL schedule for next week
(ie. NOT this Sunday, but the next week)

I want to get a head start on the betting possibilities.
Thanks in advance,

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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: A Holiday thank you note
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:43:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.182624.21789@pellns.alleg.edu>, freshlt@quig10.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.201818.1998@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>  
> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:
> 
> > Thank you.....to the Steelers offensive minds, for realizing that
> >              Merril Hoge was living off of the afterglow of two
> >              playoff games, and that BARRY! BARRY! was a feature back.
> 
> 
> 	One thing that all of us Steeler fans have noticed is that Hoge is  
> doing an EXCELLENT job blocking for Foster.  Many of Foster's yards can be  
> attributed to superb lead-blocking by Hoge.  Way to go Merrill!  You don't  
> get enough credit.
> 
> 				Tim

I wholeheartedly agree with your blocking analysis of Merril; I do however
believe that Merril is just that, a BLOCKER, one in the mold of Bleier, wheras
the previous coaching team saw Merril as THE GUY WHO GAINED 100+ YARDS AGAINST
Houston and Denver on the road in the playoffs in one year, and who has since
done little else.  True, until Foster came along there wasn't exactly someone
to play the role of feature back (save Tim Worley), but the previous coaches
always went back to those two games -- I'm convinced of this -- and thought of
Merril as having all the qualities of a feature back.

Hey diddle diddle, Hoge up the Middle (80s version of Fran Rogel fight song).

Just my $.02

HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin Stamber
Purdue University

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:00:17 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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