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From: cadwell@binah.psu.edu (Brian Cadwell)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Reply-To: cadwell@binah.psu.edu
Organization: Big Swifty Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:15:08 GMT

In article 4494@spcvxb.spc.edu, 6tate_a@spcvxb.spc.edu () writes:
>I have nothing against homosexuals because I have a couple of friends who are 
 
 (probably going to ring your neck if they read this)

>and a couple of family members but I just have a couple of questions:
>Do you think you were born this way and if so did you have hetero-relations 
>before you decided to act on your feelings?
>Can you be homosexual without actually indulging in the sex?
>What are you going to tell God when you stand before him?

   Why do you care if what you say next is true?

>
>	I'm not preaching but I do beleive that there is going to come a time 
>when you are going to have to stand before God and explain your actions and 
>he's going to cast you right into hell.  God made Adam and Eve not Adam and 
>Steve!  

  Okay, let me see if I understand. You have nothing against homosexuals,
  but never the less feel you must tell us all that we are going to burn
  in hell? Well, thank you!  Do you feel better now. I'm sure you had that
  all balled up inside you, but now it's out and don't you just feel great now.
  Boy, you probably earned a special place in your God's heart with that little
  out burst. Thats right, you go to the front of the line. Do you think your God
  will like me too, if I follow your lead and act like a pompus biggot? Probably
  not huh? I doubt there is enough room in his heart for all the biggots, just
  the special ones. 

   Listen baby, you and your kind made up this idea of hell to scare yourselves
   into submission. You can play little mind games with yourself, but leave
   me out of it. It's your hell, you burn there!


   I feel better now too! :P

   Hi mom.

   bc
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: palane@IASTATE.EDU (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Reply-To: palane@IASTATE.EDU (Paul A. Lane)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:09:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.160006.4494@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 6tate_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
writes:

> I have nothing against homosexuals because I have a couple of friends who are
> and a couple of family members but I just have a couple of questions:
> Do you think you were born this way and if so did you have hetero-relations 
> before you decided to act on your feelings?
> Can you be homosexual without actually indulging in the sex?
> What are you going to tell God when you stand before him?

> 	I'm not preaching but I do beleive that there is going to come a time 
> when you are going to have to stand before God and explain your actions and 
> he's going to cast you right into hell.  God made Adam and Eve not Adam and 
> Steve!  

If I were you, I'd read the bible verrrry closely. Very little is said about
male homosexuals and nothing about lesbians. Genesis was adapted from some
older myths. It is allegorical in nature. Part of the nature of Christianity
is supposed to be forgiveness. You know, the fellow who died up there on the
cross for our sins! 

Paul
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:06:17 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <92320.212355LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> Yeah don't you wish
>Yeah and I KNOW you wish you were at the end of my 1 foot d__k, but da LoNg-MaN

>             --==LoNg-MaN  aka  lOnG-mAn==--

    Hey look gang, the stupidity Penn State is noted for is again being
    paraded about.  Another 'stoopid strayt boy'.....

    Note also his scream to be viewed as a sexual object with his
    '1 foot d__k'.  First, the word is 'dick' or 'cock' or 'penis' for
    the clinical.  Secondly, you are exhibiting wish-fulfillment.

    
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: attitude
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:25:30 GMT

In <1992Nov22.071653.11748@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE) writes:
>In article <92326.201634MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> <MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I have been wondering for sometime now why it seems that the homosexual
>>population(a generalization) is continually irate towards the hetero pop.?

Maybe it's because heterosexuals <or at least outwaardly heterosexual
people> are the ones in control and are the ones who are making the laws
saying it's okay to discriminate or aren't making the laws saying that it's
not okay...Also, they tend to be the ones who are the "gay-bashers".  I"m
not saying that that's all heterosexuals...heck, it's not even limited to
heterosexuals if what I've heard is true.  I happen to love a lot of
heterosexuals, and like <or at least don't dislike> a lot more.  But the
"gay-bashers" are more in the limelight than the "non-gay-bashers".  

I'm not against heterosexuals or homosexuals <or bisexual since that's what
I am>, what I am against are ignorant people, people who discriminate, and
people who refuse to learn and grow in understanding.

>>I am a hetero male and since my enlightenment(as to accept people for who they
>>are and not for who they love) 
>   Thanks!

From me too!  :)

>>I have been finding out that several people that I know are homosexual, 
>>as a matter of fact, the number seems to be growing weekly.

I'm glad that more of your friends feel "safe" to out themselves to
you...:)  That certainly says something in your favor to me...:)

Lisa
--
He got up from the couch and stared out the window at a far-off place
inside himself that she couldn't see.

Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul Wells)
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:34:23 GMT

<LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> (Your worst Nightmare) writes:

>I think it is a type of undetecle disease which originated in San Fransico thth
>at attacks the hormone producing glands, which causes them to produce "gay" hor
>mones.. heh heh heh.  So, I am in the process of finding a cure for this deadly
>disease that could destroy the human race.  But for now, the only medicine I ca
>n prescribe for you gay guys is a really gorgeous horny woman(tranvestites don'
>t count).  I must now go and continue my research that will win me one of those
>neat Nobel prizes and get me on the Howard Stern Show..oops I forgot it was can
>celled.  Oh well the Nobel will do....

Hey, give us all a break and end your ignorant and blatant ramblings.
Perhaps you should instead focus your search on a cure for stupidity.

>         --==LoNG-Man  aka  lOng-mAN==--

Yeah, don't you wish.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes??
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:28:04 GMT

In <By3228.CMn@cscns.com> cherokee@cscns.com (Kangi Taku Wakan) writes:

> Homophobes are people who:

>1) Do not know anything about homosexuals and the emotions they feel;
>2) Are too insensitive to empathize with anyone, let alone a "faggot"
>   (pardon my use of that distasteful word; just to make a point)
>3) Perhaps as a consequence of 2) above, have no interest in learning
>   about the people they roundly revile.

Your definition is excessively restrictive. A quite close friend of mine
has a very strong anti-homosexual bias, though he yields on some points
if I try. He is one of the most caring people I know, but he has a block
when it comes to homosexuals.

Paul
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: c1dje@watson.ibm.com (David Edelsohn)
Subject: Re: The Berdiche
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: c1dje@tweetie (David Edelsohn)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

	For a thorough treatment of the topic I would recommend the
following book:

	_The Spirit and the Flesh: Sexual Diversity in American Indian
Culture_ by Walter L. Williams.  Boston: Beacon Press, c1986.
	2nd edition c1992.

					David
===============================================================================
David Edelsohn                                      T.J. Watson Research Center
c$dje@watson.ibm.com                                P.O. Box 218
+1 914 945 3011 (Tieline 862)                       Yorktown Heights, NY 10598
"The Church doesn't have problems with sex; the world does" -- Vatican official
"A good theory should fit on a T-shirt" -- Astronomer at Jan 1992 AAS meeting

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: cddukes@c00508-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous)
Subject: Re: Thank you
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:40:22 GMT

In article <92321.020628LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Lisa writes:
>
>>Well, then maybe you assholes aren't that bad since you free up more women
>
>>for me.
>>for me
>If you are refferring to "assholes" as the gay guys then your post made sense,
>but if you were reffering to moi, then It made no FUCKING sense.  Read your pos
>t again.
>

No it made perfect sense...  I mean you are the walking poster child for
Birth Control.

Chris "the PakRat" Dukes______________________________cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu
Hi... I'm with everyone for something... would you like to join?
PGP key available upon request
From: 6tate_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:00:06 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

I have nothing against homosexuals because I have a couple of friends who are 
and a couple of family members but I just have a couple of questions:
Do you think you were born this way and if so did you have hetero-relations 
before you decided to act on your feelings?
Can you be homosexual without actually indulging in the sex?
What are you going to tell God when you stand before him?

	I'm not preaching but I do beleive that there is going to come a time 
when you are going to have to stand before God and explain your actions and 
he's going to cast you right into hell.  God made Adam and Eve not Adam and 
Steve!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:53:38 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: "stupid het boys" - a followup

As others have suggested, when I use the phrase "stupid het boys" I refer
to a (hopefully) small segment of the population - namely those guys who
(in this case) post a flame-bait article to this or related groups, get
flamed for it, then scream that gays are just as bigoted, etc.  (I'll
bet that those very same folks (the SHBs) "wander off" reassured of their
macho status or some sh*t like that)

To everyone else, I sincerely appologize if you were offended by my
use of the phrase "stupid het boys".

-Tim
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: butrynm@carn14.alleg.edu (Matty Butryn)
Subject: gay man looking for lover through newsgrazer Pt. II
Keywords: gay lover
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:17:59 GMT

In reviewing my newspost "Gay Man looking for lover through newsgrazer," I  
realized I made an error.  I want that special someone to be close by so  
that visitation is possible and frequent.  Sorry for any inconviences!
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: robj@netcom.com (Rob Jellinghaus)
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.215806.6603@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>If you tolerate their oppression, they ignore you and continue to oppress. 
>If you don't, you alienate them and they see no reason to change.  A
>vicious cycle.

As far as I can see, the former is certainly true, but the latter is
not.  I believe that the people who say things like "I was in favor
of gay rights, but the latest protests convince me that gays really
don't deserve special protection" are profoundly less in favor of
gay rights than they think they are.  I further believe that it is
only through continuing to stand up and make noise that we have _any_
chance of changing societal attitudes.  It's a long, slow process.

But it is interesting to note that there were many in the 1960s who
said "I was in favor of civil rights for blacks, but the extremists
like Malcolm X scare me, so I'm voting against black rights."  And
here we are, thirty years later, and Malcolm X is a big-screen hero
across America.  I think that's clear tribute to the eventual success
of the "make a fuck of a lot of noise" approach to gaining societal
acceptance... eventually if you yell for long enough, people listen to
you.

-- 
Rob Jellinghaus    |  "Next time you see a lie being spread or a bad 
robj@netcom.com    |   decision being made out of sheer ignorance,
robj@xanadu.com    |   pause, and think of hypertext."
uunet!netcom!robj  |       -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Kangi Taku Wakan)
Subject: Today I Mourn
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:39:54 GMT

By the standards of the people for whom this group is named, I guess I am
just a "het-boy", though (at least I think) not a stupid one.  Today I mourn.

A friend of mine, whom I have grown very fond of in the past few weeks,
told me today that he is HIV-positive.  My friend happens to be gay, a
fact that I was not entirely sure of until today.  This fact does not
change the fact that he is one of my best friends; but the fact that he
has been HIV+ for 7 years makes me think that my friend will not walk
among the living much longer.  He is very frail but in decent health, I
suppose, considering his situation.  He says he has been kept alive by the
herbal potions of the holy men of his tribe, the Karuk of California.  All
AZT did was make him violently ill.

Perhaps he has become accustomed to the idea of living with HIV, but I,
who have never to my knowledge known anyone with this affliction, feel as
if someone who is my friend may soon leave the earth before it is his
time.  This saddens me so deeply I have sought out this newsgroup, to ask
anyone out there who been through the loss of a friend or a loved one to
AIDS: How does one prepare one's self for the loss of one so valued?

If anyone out there can give me an answer, please do.  I feel lost.

Kangi Taku Wakan
(Medicine Crow)
cherokee@cscns.com

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: One bored "het.boy"
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:40:56 GMT


I don't care why, I don't care that we got flamed.  I'm just glad he's
gone.
--
He got up from the couch and stared out the window at a far-off place
inside himself that she couldn't see.

Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: Fuzzies
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:08:03 GMT

In <1992Nov17.040149.3224@news.duc.auburn.edu> jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb) writes:
>In article 920@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu, cik6239@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Devore) writes:
>> In article <latarra.721957256@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
>> >Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.
>> I want one.  Where do I get it?

They come to you.  :)

>Do we have to wait til Thursday?????  HELP I'm in Alabama and I can't get out!!!

No, I'll notify shipping ASAP...they'll contact you and make sure that you
get the right kind...if it's a rare kind or one we just ran out of, we'll
have to reorder and ship them out Thursday...:)

--
He got up from the couch and stared out the window at a far-off place
inside himself that she couldn't see.

Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:25:36 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) said:
>
>If he calls you a faggot, and you call him a stupid het boy, have the two
>of you made any progress?  Are you any closer to a tolerant society in
>which homosexuality is not frowned upon?

>
Sorry, Gary, you are flat wrong. Why must it always be the oppressed
group that is tolerant of the ignorance and vituperative diatribes
of the oppressors? If someone straight posts hateful stupid homophobic
shit onto a homosexual newsgroup, it's the equivalent of someone
coming into my home and attacking my family. He deserves what he gets.
It is excessively tiresome to have to deal with the shit. We have heard
it over and over and over again, and it's never any different. That is,
same shit different homophobe. Clearly, while you may not be guilty of
posting this homophobic crap yourself, you do not understand the anger
that wells up each time you are forced to face it again.
  It takes a sense of self to realize that you don't have to take it
from dolts such as these and you can strike back. Stop trying to tell
us to be the tolerant ones, we know we don't have to tolerate this
any more.

>Seriously, this group too often takes on overtones of over-simplification.
>"Gay guys make better friends for women."

The fact is, we do. We don't bring along the baggage of potential
sexual conquest to the relationship which makes the whole enterprise
a much more comfortable affair.

>"Stupid het boys deserve condemnation."

Yup.

>"All men who oppose homosexuality are secretly gay."

The fact is, a good many of them are. While I was still closeted, I
was very opposed to homosexuals and very distrustful of them. It is
hard to wonder why a secure, heterosexual would be more than merely
indifferent on the subject of homosexuality. Why so threatened?

>"All gay men like anal sex."

Okay, you score one right so far.

>"Heterosexuals just don't understand."

I'll give you this one, too. I have several VERY understanding
heterosexual friends which leads me to wonder at those less than
understanding types. What's their problem?
>
>All I'm asking is that each of us be treated as individuals.

You got it. But as soon as an individual shows his/her stripes,
they get treated accordingly, which is what happened in the cited
case.

>Gary.Saunders

Gary Byma
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Kangi Taku Wakan)
Subject: The Berdiche
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:56:41 GMT

Among our people, before we were conquered by the Europeans, gay men held
a special status, as it was thought that they possessed very powerful
medicine.  Among the Sioux, the clan's berdiche, or "effiminate man" (I
can't remember the Lakota word, but I'll post it as soon as it comes back) was
the official "child-namer" of the clan, and many sacred dances were held
to honor them.  Any affront to one of them at one of these dances brought
down instant reprisal from the warriors present.  Needless to say, you
didn't make the berdiche mad.

This tolerance for gay people (I'm not sure about the number of
pre-Contact lesbians, but there are stories of female warriors) seems to
be yet another casualty of the White man's onslaught  against our culture. 
Too few young people know these things, and perhaps do not want to
learn because such beliefs are diametrically opposed to the prevalent
belief/"value" system in which we live.  

Perhaps I cannot fully understand what it is to be gay, but I can "live and
let live".  This is the way the Creator would want it to be.

Just my 2 cents' worth.

Kangi Taku Wakan
cherokee@cscns.com
From: harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:05:28 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1ebr44INN6bg@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU
(x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>In article <1e9oo5INN3io@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
>ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>>Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) said:

>>>"All gay men like anal sex."

>>Okay, you score one right so far.


>Whoa!!! are you saying that ALL gay men like anal sex?  I don't think so,
>I have met many gay men who do not like it either way.  I don't care for it
>myself.  So don't make a blanket statment like this, it is not logical.

Huh?  I don't think you read this correctly.  Gary Byma was saying
that Gary Saunders was correct in that "All gay men like anal sex" is
a myth and untrue.

So you are arguing with someone who agrees with you, basically.

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Is there a FAQ list for this group?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:45:15 GMT

How does this newsgroup differ from soc.motss or alt.sex.motss?  Or for that
matter from alt.flame, alt.cascade, etc?  Oh well, another day, another
dozen newsgroups to unsubscribe.




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