From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: talk.abortion
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:06:07 GMT


[follow-ups to talk.abortion]

I really hope that Jay Stein will repost the article on Michael
Bray, O.R. member and convicted clinic bomber.

In article <C0q3Gx.KEr@athena.cs.uga.edu> hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
#In article <PASSARET.93Jan11184034@vane.med.ge.com> Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com> writes:
##link# to diminish their credibility.  If you take a look at
##link# some of the largest pro-life organizations, you will see
##link# that they oppose violence, like bombing clinics.
##
##Actually, you will see that they claim to oppose these
##tactics, but do not put the energy into preventing them that
##they do into blocading clinics, for instance.  Priorities, I
##know, but I had to comment.  Claiming to oppose and doing
##nothing about it bears a striking resemblance to support, or
##at least to acceptance...
#
#How are they to stop them.  You can't be at every abortion facility at the 
#middle of the night.  Do you think clinic bombers go to pro-life meetings
#and say, "hey, I just bombed a clinic."  

It depends on the meeting.  

#Besides, the goal of the pro-life
#movement is not keeping the slaughterhouses safe.  What pro-lifer is going
#to shed a tear over an abortion clinic being destroyed, even if vehemently
#disagrees with the tactic?

Sometimes there are people in those clinics.  I know that at least
one O.R. member thinks that it is acceptable to kill those who
work in abortion clinics, and I know that Randall Terry doesn't
mind praying for harm to come to doctors and their families,
but I had hoped that at least some of you didn't think it was
all right to murder people to further your cause.


##link# Operation Rescue protesters don't fight the police.
##link# They lie still and have to be carried away.  

Hundreds of hours of videotape proves you wrong, here.  

An O.R. member here in Pittsburgh was convicted of assault on
a police officer.  He claimed that he thought she was a bus
driver when he punched her in the breast, but the judge didn't
seem to think that was a valid excuse.  Perhaps you do.

##That explains the black eye I got from being kicked in the
##face by one after having been knocked down by another.  I
##wasn't police, just escort.
#
#Well, that's the policy, anyway. 

Another O.R. member was arrested for assaulting an escort here, too.
I guess he was just following policy.

I wonder if you also approve of the assault on the clinic
worker in Binghamton, N.Y. that resulted in her miscarrying.
That miscarriage was courtesy of Operation Rescue.  

##link# I have seen some examples of pro-choice protestors who
##link# did appear full of hate.  One group of pro-choice
##link# protestors blockaded a Catholic Church in New York.
##link# These women were topless except for painted crosses over
##link# their breasts.  THe elderly people who wanted to go to
##link# church were unable to get into the building because of
##link# this lewd display.  
##
##Please explain the hate so evident to you in this behavior.
##Scorn, perhaps.  Ridicule, even... but hate???
#
#Looked like hate to me.

It looks like hate to me when a Roman Catholic priest attempts
to knock a pregnant woman to the ground to prevent her from
entering a clinic.  If he and his fellow terrorists chose 
instead to paint crosses on their chests, I'd have a lot fewer
problems with O.R.

##link# Of course, the news media for the most part i did not
##link# cover this story, because it showed pro-choice in a bad
##link# light.  

I saw coverage of this action.  

##Ah, the great liberal media conspiracy.  So buy a(nother) TV
##station, as if the GodSquad(tm) didn't own enough of them
##already. 
#
#No.  I don't believe that people in the media are in a conspiracy.  But they
#do show news that they consider important according to their own agendas.
#And the media in this country for the most part has a pro abortion bias.

I think I finally figured this out.  Until the media refers to z/e/f's
as babies, physicians who do abortions as baby killers, and clinics
as abortuaries, the pro-forcers will believe the media is biased.

Susan



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