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From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Fair trials and racism.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 21:29:52 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <Btw87H.70K@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney )) writes:
>
>In article <jbickers.0ecl@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>|>     Perhaps instead of posting crap here, the original poster could
>                                  ^^^^
>    Ooohhh, thats not very nice I don't like four letter words.
                       ^^^^ ^^^^         ^^^^ ^^^^

If you have problems with four letter words, I suggest you stop using
them yourself.

Hypocrite.

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Local call charging announcement on Thursday?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:35:05 GMT

In article <JkFFqB6w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz> Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
> 
>That is an economic term, like it or not those items must be paid for,
>how they are paid for is a question of economics.
> 

But they are paid for! The $402 milion dollar profit demonstrates that. The
fact that the (supposed) residential subsidy is *smaller* than the
profit ($250 million) demonstrates that residential services *are*
profitable.....just not as profitable as business services....so......what
we are really talking about is not a real deficit of cost versus revenue,
but a notional deficit based on someone's fantasies about how much money
they *could* be making......

There - no moral stuff included either.
 
Steve
 

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney ))
Subject: Re: Fair trials and racism.
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:06:12 GMT


In article <jbickers.0ecn@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
|> 
|>     Remember that they report the NEWS. They're supposed to do that.
|>     Your article was not "news", it sounded like you blowing off steam
|>     at something by posting -ve opinions. Don't you think that's a bit
|>     petty?

   Heh!?  Who ever said that I had to 'report' anything?!  Thats right
it was my oipinion, not negative, just strong!  As for being petty...???...

Mark.

PS: I could groan about you quoting signatures, but nah that would 
just be petty.  :-)
From: swebber@imladris.equinox.gen.nz (Stephen Webber)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Phone rental
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:05:53 +1200
Organization: Amiga Christchurch Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

In article <H.RghmGTHDuDM@yonder.equinox.gen.nz>, craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>
>  How much was/is now the monthly rental for a standard pert phone?

It does not matter what phone it is really as long as it the base type
standard phone, I think it is about $2.13 + GST. Best bet is ring your
local Telecom office and ask!

This is of course my opinion and not the opinion of my employer.

--
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Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND
Don't worry about tomorrow, I've been there!
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: "Batman Returns" (opinion - no spoilers)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:35:08 +1200
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
Organization: Equinox Networks, ChCh, New Zealand * Private Node: Yonder
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992

In <199208170813.AA27736@kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Aaron Roydhouse writes:
>
>==> "tte" == tte@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>
>tte> I went to see the new BATMAN RETURN movie at Village 5 in
>tte> Hamilton the other night.  What a load of shit.  It wasn't even
>tte> as good as the first one.
>
>tte> Don't waste your money peoples
>
>This comment is almost opposite to my opinion. I saw both Batman
>movies in the weekend and felt that Batman Returns was very much the
>better.
>
>I felt the original Batman was technically worse and, dare I say it, a
>little tacky. Although the plot was there, the flow was disjoint. Even
>the opening titles lacked the artistic flair of Batman Returns.  It
>was almost as if the first movie was a cheaper flier to gauge reaction
>before they spent any real money.
>
>The plots of the two movies are thoroughly separate, so you want a
>sample of the genre I recommend seeing Batman Returns.
>
>Aaron.

A friend of mine that went and saw it last night agreed with the first
 comment,.... it was a waste of money.

The only good thing that he could say about it was how good
 Michelle Pfeiffer looked in that tight rubber outfit that she was wearing! :-)

 Craig.
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From: rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: WeatherNet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:43:35 GMT
Organization: City Net -  Wellington City Council's Community Computer Network

22:41:57
26-Aug-1992

[A Posting from Kidlink - suggested for Schools]

                         Kids WeatherNet

A Project for Elementary Classes Collecting and sharing
Weather and Climate Data

Background:  During the last two years my class has informally shared weather
 data with several schools throughout the US using internet and bitnet. This
 experience has exceeded my wildest dreams in bringing science and the real
 world into the classroom. For the coming year I believe that it would be a
 tremendous opportunity for other schools to join the exchange of weather data.

Purpose: The purpose is to bring together as many classrooms as possible in a
 joint sharing of weather and climatic data.

How to Obtain:  The actual collection of weather data can be as simple or as
 complex as you care to make it. My class set up a weather station which
 provides us with daily weather information. Or the weather data can be taken
 daily from a local newspaper. Or perhaps, you would collect some data and take
 some from the paper. Also, an inexpensive weather cube from Radio Shack will
 provide instant weather data from the National Weather Bureau radio station.

Types of Weather Data: The types of weather data would include the recording of
 the high & low daily temperatures, precipitation, and a short paragraph
 describing the weather for the week. The description can range from a one or
 two sentence summary of the weather to explaining local conditions such as
 drought, storms, first frost, first snow, etc.

Climatic Data:  The climatic data helps explain how seasons, weather data and
 astronomy come together to influence our weather. This type of data would
 include sunrise and sunset times for one day each week and a general
 description of the current season.

Sending the Data: The weather data would be sent to each of the participating
 schools each Monday.

	If you have any questions and would like to participate,
        send a note along. We would look at starting on August
        31st.

Hope to hear from you,
Bill Wallace
Manzano Day School
Albquerque, New Mexico
Bitnet: ECHO@UNMB
internet:  ECHO@BOOTES.UNM.EDU



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From: rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
Newsgroups: nz.general,wgtn.chat
Subject: Truby King Management Plan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:53:11 GMT
Organization: City Net -  Wellington City Council's Community Computer Network

21:51:24
27-Aug-1992

[from memory, Truby King was the founder of the Plunket Society.
The park is or was part of his estate and used to contain a
hospital - the grounds are or were fantastic, I remember playing
there as a kid]

              Draft Conservation & Management Plan
                    Truby King Park, Melrose

Notice is hereby given pursuant to section 41 (6) of the Reserves
Act 1977, that the Wellington City Council has prepared a Draft
Conservation and Management Plan for the above property.

Copies of the draft Plan can be viewed, during normal office
hours, at the reception area of the Culture & Recreation
Division, 7th Floor Anvil House, 138 Wakefield street, the
Wellington central Library and all Wellington suburban libraries.
A copy may also be purchased from the Division.

Any person or organisation may make a written submission or
objection in respect of this Draft Plan to the Division before
4.00pm on Friday October 30th 1992.

Submissions or Objections should be sent to:

Truby King Draft Conservation & Management Plan, Culture &
Recreation Division Wellington City Council, BOX 2199 Wellington.

Rosemary Barrington
GM Culture & Recreation.


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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Competition in the telecoms market (was Re: Local call charging.
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:06:25 GMT
Keywords: long

In article <wcB5PB6w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz> Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
> 
> It's true competition does have overheads. Yet, there is more to it that 
> simply adding those into the equation. Once competition is in place - it 
> isn't yet completely with us, try making a local call through Clear for 
> instance - other economic factors come into play. I won't bore readers 
> with details of possible strategies, but the overall costs to business of 
> using and making phone calls has dropped by around NZ$ 300 million a year 
> since Clear arrived. That's a lot of money to be pumped back into the 
> economy. 
>  
> Incidently. Has anyone noticed how Clear is remarkably like the name of 
> well known BBS operator?

Two things.......businesses now save $300 million/year while Telecom is making
over $400 million/year, but residential phones are subsidised by business. Do
you honestly believe that the few thousand businesses in New Zealand pay
enough in phone bill to not only generate $400 million in profits but also
make up for losses on residential service?
 
Of course not.  The supposed "cross-subsidization" means that the profit
margin on residential services isn't as big as it is on business phones. In
other words they are making a 40% profit from business while only making a 25%
profit on home phones............figures are pulled out of the air, but I
don't think they are that wild in any case. 
 
What i *actually* wanted to say, was that you can make all the local calls you
want through Clear. You just have to pay the basic toll rate on the calls.

Try it! (But not at my Clear-subscribing house).
 
Steve :-)

 


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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Aaron Roydhouse)
Subject: Re: Fair tolls and racism.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Victoria Uni. of Wellington, NZ.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:15:23 GMT
	<BtvD39.G5p@comp.vuw.ac.nz> <jbickers.0ecl@templar.actrix.gen.nz>
	<Btw87H.70K@comp.vuw.ac.nz>
Followup-To: nz.sucker

Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney )) writes:

> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>
> |>     [...]
> |>     spend their time more productively by writing supportive letters
> |>     to the people in the US that he's concerned about?
> 
> Who says I don't write letters, make phone calls etc...  
> [....]                               ^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmm... do you think we could tie this in with the Telecom thread?

Now I guess these phone calls don't make you any money Mark, so
according to Bill's stated mentality that makes them a waste of
communication resources. Yet John terms such activities `productive'.

Quite a issue we have here, could take weeks to battle over to no
effect.

Really I'd rather hear what people had to say than who thinks they
shouldn't say it.

Aaron.  :-^
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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Atari STFM for sale
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:32:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> But does that mean if we post to nz.forsale (or wherever NZ_BUYSELL is
> gatewayed) we have to bow down to the rabid Fidonet fascism?! (This is a
> serious question - I'm not prepared to have some Fidodreck weenie in
> Auckland spewing forth just because he doesn't possess a sense of humor. I
> speak from personal experience here).

Well, the gateway could always filter out mail from whoever is the "moderator"
of the Fido side....

Or have a megabyte or so of prepared flames held at the gateway site to 
unleash on anyone stupid enough to try to tell on the Usenet side what he
or she can or cannot do....

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From: rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
Newsgroups: nz.general,wgtn.chat
Subject: Resource management Act - Consent notice - Radio Aerial
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:35:46 GMT
Organization: City Net -  Wellington City Council's Community Computer Network

21:35:07
26-Aug-1992

[that got your attention didn't it ?]

      WELLINGTON CITY TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT PLAN

NOTIFICATION OF AN APPLICATION FOR RESOURCE CONSENT 
UNDER SECTION 93(2) OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT ACT 1991

The Wellington City Council has received an application 
for resource consent from:

Name of applicant:  Radio Rhema Inc

Location of Site:  305 Horokiwi Road, Horokiwi (Lot 1 
DP 70105)

Description of Application:  The application seeks 
consent for additional and/or "replacement" facilities 
for the existing radio receiving and transmission 
operation.  These are:

1)  A receiving aerial mounted on a 3.5 metre wooden 
    pole replacing an underground land line;

2)  The installation of a concrete water tank (to 
    contain aerial tuning equipment);

3)  The excavation and filling in of a trench between 
    the pole and the existing transmitter building for 
    the linking cable.

The above work has been completed and the facilities 
installed.  The development is a non-complying activity in 
Deferred Urban Zoning that applies to the site.

Address for Service: c/- Murray V Smith, Solicitor, 1st Floor 
Lockshop Building, Cnr Jackson & Cuba Streets, Petone

If you wish to make a submission on this application you may 
do so by sending a written submission to the Council, 
addressed to the General Manager, Environment Division, (C/- 
Reception, Second Floor, Civic Administration Building, 
Wakefield Street) P.O. Box 2199, Wellington, to reach him no 
later than 4.00 p.m. on Wednesday, 23 September 1992.  

The submission must be dated, signed by you, and include the 
following information:
1. Your name, postal address and phone number/fax 
   number:
2. Details of the application in respect of which you 
   are making the submission, including location:
3. Whether you support or oppose the application:
4. Your submission, with reasons:
5. The decision you wish the Wellington City Council to 
   make:
6. Whether you wish to be heard in support of your 
   submission.
                          -2-


The application can be viewed at the Resource 
Management Services Enquiry Counter, Wellington City 
Council, Second Floor, Civic Administration Building, 
Civic Square, Wakefield Street, during normal business 
hours.

A copy of your submission must be served as soon as 
reasonably practicable on the applicant at the above 
address for service.



A ABURN
General Manager
ENVIRONMENT



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From: jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Are there any Lebanese people here?
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:01:36 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I was wondering if there are any people of Lebanese extraction involved in this
newsgroup. If there are, I have a request for some information. I have to
prepare a paper on the Lebanese culture as part of a grad course in
Intercultural Communication. The sort of information I would like is about how
Lebanese people communicate - ie. the type of body language they use, what
kinds of gestures they use, how they use space (like whether they stand really
close to you when they talk to you etc), and also about what Lebanese people
value, and Lebanese perceptions of things like work, roles of men and women,
age, and so on. So if there are any Lebanese people in this newsgroup, I would
very much appreciate any information at all. Thanks in advance...

John Corban

jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Address: 16 Forest Lake Road, Hamilton.
From: dgk@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Phone rental
Date: 24 Aug 92 12:16:16 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <H.RghmGTHDuDM@yonder.equinox.gen.nz>, craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
> 
>  How much was/is now the monthly rental for a standard pert phone?

I didn't know you could still rent the pert phone.....I thought Telecom
now rent the statesman as the standard (base) phone!!!!

		dgk@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general,wgtn.chat
From: corich_a@med.wcc.govt.nz (Alison Corich, Wellington, New Zealand)
Subject: Re: Road Closure
Reply-To: corich_a@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:58:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.101457.367@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz>, lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker) writes:
>rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor ) writes:
>>
>>Harris Street will be closed to through traffic between 10am and 4.30pm Sunday 
>>18 October, 1992 to enable Wellington Emergency Services to present static 
>>displays in conjunction with activities in Frank Kitts Park area.
>
>That sounds potentially interesting. What's on at FK Park?
>
>
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 EMERGENCY 111 DAY; All services involved in emergency work are geting together
and having a display day for the public to raise money for the Life-Flight
Trust (the body that runs our Westpac Rescue helicopter).  This year is the
helicopter services 10th birthday.
The public can go down to FKP and see all the simulated rescue action, look at all
the machines and enjoy the assoicated festival. Services involved include
Wellington Free Ambulance, Police, navy etc.
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney ))
Subject: Re: Fair trials and racism.
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:36:38 GMT


In article <1992Sep01.212952.34727@datamark.co.nz>, thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
|> 
|> If you have problems with four letter words, I suggest you stop using
|> them yourself.
|> 
|> Hypocrite.

     Oh don't be so pedantic!  :-)  Hypocrite?  I do my best, thank you!  :-)

Mark.

( Wings are for the birds... )
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Fair trials and racism.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 02:02:24 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <BtvKoA.2Mt@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney )) writes:
>
>In article <jbickers.0ebu@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>|> 
>|>     Seriously, why the hell did you post this here?!? It's not our
>|>     problem.
>
>    Maybe you also think that television and newspapers should stop
>doing international stories!

Note the key word in John's post, "here".
 
This is nz.general not alt.activism. 

If you want to discuss what's happening in the USA, I suggest you
subscribe to soc.culture.usa, or most of the rest of the net.
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From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms (aka Zoltar))
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Full board wanted in Rotorua for 28/9 till 30/10
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:18:17 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: --> Insert Witty Organisation Here <--

Hi,

I am a 19 year old male looking for full board in Rotorua for one (1) 
month for the following dates

From:   28/9/92
To:     30/10/92

I am prepared to pay any resonable price for boarding.. 
I would be traveling on the 27/9/92 and arriving that day..

Any correspondence on this matter would be greatly appreciated..

Phone: (voice) (06) 347-8531

Email: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz

Thankyou for your time

Cheers,
Grant Thoms
  
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Charlie Lear)
Subject: Re: Atari STFM for sale
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 09:53:06 GMT

In article <12853235@zl2tnm.gen.nz> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
>How much traffic is in NZ_BUYSELL?  What's the signal to noise ratio like?
>We don't really need another fiasco like the previous gatewaying effort, but

S/N is above average for Fido, about the same as an average alt newsgroup
I suppose.  The good thing is that a Fido moderator steps in every three
days and yells and screams and tries to keep people on track.

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From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: 2nd phone line - fee
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:54:52 +1200
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
Distribution: World
Organization: Equinox Networks, ChCh, New Zealand * Private Node: Yonder
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <johnv.0a51@tower.actrix.gen.nz>, John Veldthuis writes:
>Quoted from <JgcesB2w165w@nirvana.welly.gen.nz> by gof@nirvana.welly.gen.nz (Gerard O'Flynn):

>> Not quite true... They also hit on you for installation, network 
>> connection and so on. I had a second line put in here, and my first bill 
>> was for over $320, only about $45 of which was for the line rental.
>
>Well you got ripped off but good. I had to pay a one off charge of about
>$80 (from memory) and that was it.

It all depends on how far they have to bring the wire from  and how long
 it takes them to do it.

 Craig.

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