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From: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Subject: Re: SKIP
Reply-To: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:13:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205003.62512@cc.usu.edu> sl3nf@cc.usu.edu writes:
>	I don't even know why I even bother to keep up with Star Trek anymore. 
>So far, the only trek I've concidered good were the old episodes.  So what if
>the special effects were cheezy, I still like them.
>	When they made TOS, many of the episodes had a moral to them that was
>something of an editorial of the times - the one with the half 'n' half black
>and white guys comes to mind.  Prejudism and segregation... you know what I
>mean.

i agree that the TOS episodes were damn good but i do not believe they can be
compared to TNG.  they were good in there own right and cannot be touched.
the character interaction was more interesting, the music was more
interesting and the resident alien (spock) was more interesting.

>	The problem seems to be that they are writing TNG for todays audiences
>- not that there's a problem with that, but I guess if I wanted all the really
>bad plot lines and the complete lack of continuity, I'd watch the Back to the
>Future series in reverse.

yeah, there are some bad plot lines that seem to cater to the average tv
junkie, and it is unfortunate that the show does these, whether they like to
or to stay alive but there have been some DAMN (AND I MEAN DAMN) good episodes
of TNG.  Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor.  if you'd like evidence of
the good stuff check out "Darmok", "I, Borg", or the one where Picard lives an
entire life on that planet in only 20 actual minutes on the enterprise (a
particularly virtuoso performance by stewart).

>	Now, DS9 has come out, and it suffers the same problems already.  I
>guess my major bitch with it is the bit that Rodenberry didn't seem to like the
>idea, so someone took some serious advantage - weeks after his death - to
>announce the new ST series.
>		I'd be interested to hear anyone's ideas and flames.
>
i haven't seen this yet so i can't say anything about but i've heard it's not
bad.

>
> "... where the 'stuff of life' is raining out of the skies..." 
>                            -Carl Sagan 
>                         sniggerfardimungus
>                        in%"sl3nf@cc.usu.edu"
>                 The usual disclaimers apply anywhere 
>                     you can find a sticky spot.
> 
>


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From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Subject: Re: science fiction
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:50:30 GMT

demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu writes:

>)Pardon my ignorance, but I have been following the discussion of CoC for
>the past couple weeks and I'm unclear on one point.  What do you define as
>"science fiction plot devices"?  What is required for a book/movie/show to
>be called science fiction? (Is the Douglas Adams trilogy SF?

There are as many answers to this as there are SF fans.  Everyone has an
opinion on what is/is not SF.

If it has dragons & sword & sorcery then it cannot be SF.
Doug Adams is not SF.  It's sarcasm.  Similar to Gulliver's Travels.
If it has rockets, fairly sound logical, scientific premise then it
must be SF.  Basically, there is no one way to answer your query.
Some people think alternate history stories are SF, who knows?
Depends on whom you ask. 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: dsn first episode <spoile
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:26:25 EST

 -=> Michael Lerner babbled to All and look what he said! <=-



 ML> Does ANYONE ever get a DAY to surrender? ;)

Probably not but in one day the Enterprise would have arrived...

 ML> The opening scene made me a bit sea-sick, as the screen was bouncing
 ML> around during the Borg attack.

The bouncing effect of the beginning was VERY good!  Much better than in 
TNG and more realistic than STVI.  Why, when the Excelsior was hit in 
the beginning and end officers went FLYING!


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From: kboss35@ursa.calvin.edu (Karen Boss)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:29:21 GMT

My favorite episode is "Deja Q" when Q is kicked
out of the Continum (sp?) and made human.  He's
quite funny as well as the rest of the crew about
his predicament.


Actually...(sorry if this strays from the subject), they
should make "Q-in-Law" into an episode.  Lwaxana is
hilariously devious with revenge!  

If anyone would care to respond, please do so.  I'd love to
hear how people feel about that idea or a related idea
for a script I'm thinking about doing.
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:47:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan9.014757.19135
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan7.160925.2574@merrimack.edu> caina@merrimack.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.153407.20196@ra.msstate.edu>, paul@p,                    > Paul Michals w
>>>
>>>Anyway something to think about.
>> 
>> Yeah it is something to think about, but I figured it was closer to 
>> 
>> Cardassia = Eastern Europe 
>> 
>> since after the Soviet Union pulled out we see that there are
>> environmental problems there as well as the depth of poverty that
>> Communism left.
>>        ___   ____                                                      
>>        /__)   /          ^  __| ^ |\ /|  ______________________________
>>       / .  \_/ .        /-\(__|/-\| V | (__   paul@erc.msstate.edu     
>>     _______________________________________)                           
>>       Engineering Research Center For Computational Field Simulation   
>> 
>
>  I always  saw Cardassia equal to Israel and the Bjorans(sp?) equal to
>the Palistinians.  My belief is based on the Cardassians suppression
>of the Bjorans and the Bjorans fierce desire for home rule.
>
>Alex Cain

I certainly saw that in Ensign Ro, but since then I think the Cardassians
have become far meaner than the Israelis.
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rank Structure (was Re: Uniform Colors...)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:07:19 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1993Jan4.215900.21511@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray) writes:
> 
> 				Starfleet
> Navy/Starfleet designation	Insignia	Army/Air Force/Marines
> 
> Ensign			*		2nd Lieutenant	
> Lieutenant Junior Grade	*o		1st Lieutenant
> Lieutenant			**		Captain
> Lieutenant Commander		**o		Major
> Commander			***		Lieutenant Colonel
> Captain			****		Colonel
> Commodore					Brigadier General

I thought that Commodore was a position rather than a rank.  Reading Tom
Clancy (and yes he is pretty damn accurate) it states that Commodore Mancuso
has the rank of Captain (Rear Admiral designee).  Meaning that he's a captain
who will become a Rear Admiral when a position opens up.  Commodore is a 
position just like being Captain.  You don't have to be a Captain to 
be the Captain of a ship.  For example, a Lt. Commander may have command
of a small piss-ant ship and be called Captain.  Lt. Commander is his
rank and Captain is his position...

> Rear Admiral					Major General
> Vice Admiral					Lieutenant General
> Admiral					General
> Fleet Admiral					General of the Armies

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Linda Hunt in Space Rangers
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:36:51 GMT

Please take this discussion to some other newsgroup, such as
rec.arts.sf.tv .  It *does not* belong in rec.arts.startrek.current .


-- 
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From: atkin@freya.cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Keywords: "Remember Me" fanclub
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:32:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article [...], jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones) writes:
|> In article [...] brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
|> >>In article [...] dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
|> >>>What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  I realize
|> >>
|> >The Inner Light
|> >Yesterday's Enterprise
|> >Measure of a Man
|> >Remember Me
|> >Darmok
|> >
|> >These are top-5 and pretty interchangable. All 10s for me.
|> >
|> I love you!  You're the first one I've seen besides myself who
|> places "Remember Me" in their top 10!  My favorite list
|> is below, with all being interchangable but for the top one:
|> 
|> Erik Jones

Yes! Remember Me is also my personal favorite. In fact, the last time this
thread came up, I remember one or two people naming this article as their
number one.

*SPOILERS* for "Remember Me" follow:





























Perhaps one of the reasons I liked it so much was that a few days after
watching it I happened to attend at physics lecture by a guest speaker
from Stanford. His talk was about the theoretical possibility of creating
artificial universes in the laboratory. It seems that it is theoretically
possible, but that it would require more enery than anyone has on their
hands. Also, it would be quite tricky to prove that one had been succesful,
because one has no access to the universe created. There was a way of deter-
mining success, but it has escaped my mind (it's been a few years :)

Oh, by the way, this thread really doesn't belong in *current, but in *misc.
I have set the followup appropriately.  

If this posting is screwed up in any way, I apologize in advance - it's the first time I'm posting with xrn.

-- Marc Atkin

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From: friedman@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sci - University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:21:14 GMT


Dawn Owens-Nicholson (dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

> I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
> What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
> reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
> they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
> must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.

> It reminds me of what a favorite author of mine once said,
> and I paraphrase,"Why should women have to become like
> men to get what men get simply because they ARE men?"

> Know what I'm saying?

> -Dawn

Yes, I think I know what you're saying, but I disagree with your
conclusion.  What I think they are saying is that the words "Sir"
and "Mister" have become genderless in several hundred years time.
Whether you think they've done it well or not, they are clearly trying
to say that Starfleet is unconcerned about the gender of its personnel.

       		H. George Friedman, Jr.
       		Department of Computer Science
       		University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
       		1304 West Springfield Avenue
       		Urbana, Illinois  61801

       		friedman@cs.uiuc.edu

A keyboard -- how quaint!

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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Need info about Federation politics
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:52:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan6.205201.19051
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Does anyone have any information, canon or otherwise, about the political
structure of the Federation, its politicians, or anything along these
lines?
Chris
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From: rick@eaglet.rain.com (Rick Lindsley)
Subject: Re: DS9 uniforms
Organization: Quagmire Annex
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:48:25 GMT

 Spoilers Ahead

cary.726378601@digex> cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan) writes:

    The DS9 uniforms are different because they are base personnel so
    as to distinguish them from starship (line) personnel.  A good
    idea, but it was silly to have OBrien changing back and forth like
    Clark Kent esp. as he was no longer assigned to the E but rather to
    DS9.

petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen) writes:

    I thought it was a rather nice touch.  It was obvious (to me
    anyway) that O'Brien wanted to say good-by to his former Captain
    (even though he changed his mind when Picard was not on the Bridge)
    and it was a sign of respect to be in his regular Starfleet uniform
    while doing so.

Ok, then, what's the rationalization for Sisko changing his uniform
when he initially went to visit Picard? Especially when he said to Kira
"this will just take a minute" (or something to that effect.)

I could live with base and ship uniforms being different, but the way
it was handled in The Emissary made me wonder if the transporter wasn't
doing it automatically :)

Rick
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From: jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Julian Visch)
Subject: Re: Should I bother with DSN write-ups?
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:22:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.141953.1481@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
|> In article <1993Jan8.152541.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
|> > 		Do people (esp. collectors like Vidiot, e.g.) really need a
|> > synopsis of DSN episodes? I'll do them if a good number of people seem to want
|> > them but if they just go unnoticed then I'll put my time to better use.
|> > 
|> 
|> I think they're a good idea - people overseas who won't see DSN for years will
|> have some idea as to what various discussions are about....
|> 
|> BC

I agree and will be reading them if you post them.

Julian
From: clements@cs.utexas.edu (Paul C. Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What's DSN's preamble? (SPOILER?)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:03:17 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lychee.cs.utexas.edu

I understand it was going to be something like "To boldly sit on
our butts where no butts have been sat on before."   



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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Spelling of Characters' names
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:28:45 GMT

In article <1ispftINNpm3@lester.appstate.edu> BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  ) writes:

>Is it just me or does anyone else seem a little curious about the fact that all
>these people who are fans of TNG/DS9/TOS/ST1-6 can't spell the characters'
>names to save their butts?

Burn them!  Burn them!

>Just in the past week here and on other systems and in the news media I have
>seen:
>Picard:  Piccard, Pickard, Pikard, Jean-Luke Picard, and others that had to be
>typos.
>Riker:  Rikker, Ryker, "Commander Willam T. Ricker" (newspaper report)
>Worf:  Warf
>LaForge:  LeForge, LaFarge, LeFarge, Jordi
>Troi:  Troy (some newspapers STILL use that!), Diana
>Guinan:  Hell, some people can't even spell Whoopi!
>Sarek:  Serek, Sarak, Serak
>also butchered:  Ferengi, Bajoran, Borg (duh!)


My god.  I never realized the verbal carnage was this bad.   Lord help
us.      

>Get with it people!  Nobody's going to take you seriously if you can't even
>spell the names right! 

No one takes hard core Trekkers seriously (nor should they) 
 


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From: zweers@csd.uwo.ca (Erik Zweers)
Subject: Re: G-class ships at 359
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:35:03 GMT

> According to the TNG: Technical Manual Page 2: footnote::
>
> Roddenberry himself says there are 5 Galaxy Class ships. The Galaxy, which
>the class is names after. The E and a 6th ship the USS Yamato destroyed in
>the episode "Contagion." This means there are 3 other ships whose names we
>don't know.....  
>
>As for one at Wolf-359, I will have to review my tape to check. Maybe later
>tonight... Scott

		If I remember correctly the Tech Manual says that three ships were
		constructed in full, there were another 3 hulls (for lack of a
		better word) that were ready to be assembled at a latter point.
		Granted that by the time this event occured, they could have
		assembled a fourth ship (or more) but if there are only six Galaxy
		class starships that could possible exist, any major event aboard
		one of these ships (such as its maiden (sp?) voyage or its
		destruction should have reprocussions throught the fleet.
			When the Enterprise was launched, congratulatory messages were
		sent by both the USS Yamato and USS Galaxy.  The authors could
		have easily written in the introduction of a fourth galaxy class
		starship.
			How long was the approximate time frame between the destruction
		of the USS Yamato and the encounter at Wolf-359??  I doubt the
		Federation would have much purpose in assembling another Galaxy
		class starship until after the Yamato was destroyed.  If they did
		build another one, it should still take several years to assemble.

										Erik.
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:44:40 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <drew.726764153@deathstar> drew@deathstar.dell.com (Drew Stephens) writes:
>linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>
>>>In article <C0Jqzx.161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu  
>>>(Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> The final one, huh?  That can call it
>>>> *** Star Trek VII: The Final Chapter -- Part III ***
>>>> since part V and VI were also said to be the final movies.
>>>
>>My vote goes to........ STAR TREK VII: THE SENIOR TOUR
>
>STAR TREK VII: I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP!
>--
>Drew Stephens
>Dell Computer Corporation
>drew_stephens@dell.com

Some friends and I were coming up with STVII Title ideas and decided on a 
few (this assumes that Kirk is not in it):

Star Trek VII - The one without Kirk
Star Trek VII - Let Someone Else Talk for Once
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From: Q6B7 <Q6B7@UNB.CA>
Subject: after finally seeing ds9
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:00:12 GMT

Now that I have at last seen DS9, a comment. It was really good! It will
get even better with character development, but the FX were fabulous!
Even the story was really good. A+ Rick and Michael. But! Why, when
O'Brien was on the bridge of the E,was there no one in the "big chair?"
Who the hell was in command? Even in spacedock somebody has the bridge.
A minor detail.

Paul L.

"Fate protects fools, little children and starships named Enterprise"
(Commander Riker)

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: science fiction
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:26:14 GMT

In article <C0C3w6.B1J@rahul.net> kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai) writes:
>demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu writes:
>
>>)Pardon my ignorance, but I have been following the discussion of CoC f
r
>>the past couple weeks and I'm unclear on one point.  What do you define
as
>>"science fiction plot devices"?  What is required for a book/movie/show
to
>>be called science fiction? (Is the Douglas Adams trilogy SF?
>
>There are as many answers to this as there are SF fans.  Everyone has an
>opinion on what is/is not SF.
>
>If it has dragons & sword & sorcery then it cannot be SF.
>Doug Adams is not SF.  It's sarcasm.  Similar to Gulliver's Travels.
>If it has rockets, fairly sound logical, scientific premise then it
>must be SF.  Basically, there is no one way to answer your query.
>Some people think alternate history stories are SF, who knows?
>Depends on whom you ask. 
>-- 
>Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>


Of course, there are those books that blur the lines.  Specifically,
Pern (Anne McCaffrey) has dragons, but it is indeed science fiction.
The Apprentice Adept series (Piers Anthony) has a science-fiction
world and a fantasy world, both on the same planet.  So go figure,
eh?  We now return you to your discussion of Star Trek.

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Subject: Star Trek: Deep Space Exposure
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:39:05 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Ok--

Just saw the premiere for Star Trek:  Deep Space Nine, and the character of 
Dr. Julian Bashir has prompted me to ask:  who's going to write the obligatory
ST:DS9/NEXP crossover?  C'mon!  It'll be easy...

		Dr. Bashir  ---  Joel Fleischmann
	    	Kira Nerys  ---  Maggie O'Connell
		Ben Sisko   ---  Maurice Minnefield
		Odo	    ---  Chris Stevens
		Quark	    ---  Holling?
		Jazdia Dax  ---  Shelly?
		O'Brien     ---  Dave?  :-)


Anyway, there's gotta be someone with enough free time to write this puppy up.
I know I'd like to read it... so, get crackin'!

:-)

Later,
-- 
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