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From: bchoinsk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Burton Choinski)
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:51:19 GMT

In article <92Sep27.045705.12256@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.195729.19294@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky) writes:
>>like to know how.
>>
>>What do dragonriders _do_ to justify their existance in 500-year,
>>PostAtWOP Pern?
>
>PernMUSH was founded before ATWOP was published. Policy thus-far
>has been that to retrofit the MUSH to acknowledge the changes
>would be damn near impossible, and that the changes would not be
>conducive to a good role-playing environment, so PernMUSH ignores
>the events of All the Weyrs of Pern, and the last chapter or so
>of Renegades of Pern (ie, the AIVAS was never discovered or just
>didn't survive).

Personally, I was always kind of uneasy about a fully functioning computer
2500+ years old after being buried for most of that time.  I mean, sure while
materials may be durable, like walls and such, it was a BIT much to 
completely swallow.

    -- Savrel, Huntleader @ PernMUSH
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From: eog@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vicki Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: Drudges--What are they?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:22:17 GMT

In article <retief.717618531@mchem3.al.iastate.edu>, retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) writes:
> Has anyone else ever thought about this?  In Dragonflight drudges are
> basically slaves, but then so is most everybody else under Fax.  I
> don't remember where, but I thought it said somewhere that drudges
> were the mentally retarded or disabled put to work they could
> understand but this seems unlikely as the original colonists screened
> for 'defects' I thought.  I remember seeing drudges in Ruatha under
> Lytol/Jaxom too.  It seems to me to be contrary both to the original
> intentions of the colonists and to the attitudes of the major
> characters.
> -- 
> Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu>  IowaStateUniversity.  ComS Jr.
> #include <multipagefunnyquote.h>

A couple of thoughts I had when I read this were:
1) how many colonists were left after the first path and could the 
       resulting in-breeding produce slow or disabled people.
2) Are the drudges with jaxom/lytol the same as the drudges with Fax
       or the other holds? i.e. slaves dressed in dirty rags?

I guess we need to look to the fuedal system or perhaps some information
about the original charter? Is there much detail in Dragonsdawn?

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Two birds with, well, two stones, I guess...
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:56:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <s914311.717733065@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s914311@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Mr Some-one) writes:
>axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan) writes:
>>Anyways, <there, that's better>, as far as I can see, fl's in the
>>books have the collective intelligence of an avacado patch. (do
>	In the books, around dragon flight i think, it says somewhere that the
>fire lizards have a greater memory than the dragons.  It was also explained 
>that this is because when Kitty Ping(???) engineered the dragons, she enhanced
>the telepathic powers of the firelizards.  To do this she had to
>take something away.

(Doesn't ANYONE wordwrap before the 75-column-mark any more? ;-)

I believe the graph on p 38 of the DLG sums it up rather nicely.

As the DLG illustrates it:

100%_
 90%_|   
 80%_|   ##                        []
 70%_|   ##            []          []
 60%_|   ##            []          []
 50%_|   ##            []          []
 40%_|   ##            []          []
 30%_|   ##          ##[]          []
 20%_|   ##          ##[]          []
 10%_|   ##          ##[]        ##[]
  0% |___##[]________##[]________##[]_____
       Dragon      Fire-Lizard  Dragonet

(Where FL is Mentasynth-enhanced, Dragonet is 3-toed wild-type)

Now, one would say ## is empathy, and [] is Memory, but they have
them backwards in the book. Does anyone actually argue the DLG
means what it says?

Joshua
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 23:45:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep30.231946.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <BvF64F.5CL@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
>> Nothing to me, though I'd love to see a Dragonflight movie.
>> I've worked out the cinematography for it, oh, a thousand times or so in my 
>> head...
>It should be anime, with English subtitles.
>If you insist, we can dub in the voices, but they should be done
>by unknowns. I find that when I recognize the voice it's just a
>distraction, not a bonus. 

Awwww, I've said it before, and I'll venture my opinion again.
Wait a decade and do all of the creature effects with computer
animation. I want dragons that glow, not muppets with wings...

(I'm bouncing on people's heads, I'm bouncing on people's heads...)

Ahem (sorry, obscure reference). I'd like to see the
flight/threadfall sequences done with top-of-the-line computer
animation, not the shiny shlock Disney uses as backgrounds these
days. Dragons like Michael Whelan's drawings but in _every_
frame, backgrounds that are photorealistic, with 'puppets' of the
human actors adragonback (this may need 5-10 years to perfect,
tho its good now, just not cheap).

Anime is nice, but it still looks like a cartoon. I want Star
Wars style effects, not saturday-morning cartoons. :) (Yes, I
know anime is far beyond most cartoons, well, so would this be
beyond Star Wars).

As for actors, I'd prefer to cast relative unknowns, with the odd
cameo. The one actor I'd like to see is Peter O'Toole as Robinton
(too pale for later in the series, tho)

Joshua
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:09:54 -0700

In article <BvI9vo.2Au@andy.bgsu.edu>, eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
 writes:
  
> Oh, PHIL. You're great! You make yourself look stupider than 
> anyone else could ever hope to.
> 
> K'andra, rider of Brown Arcoth@SouCon
> eporter@andy.bgsu.edu 

Hey glad you liked it so much! Now that we've started a new
passtime here I've got lots of other bedtime stories to regal
you with. :*)

PHIL
  
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From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: *sigh* Mating flights...
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:54:23 GMT

Maybe I haven't been following this closely enough... who posted
saying that they were intimidated by mating flithts?

				-Shandra.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:30:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep28.125119.19514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bchoinsk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Burton Choinski) writes:
[snip]
>> (ie, the AIVAS was never discovered or just didn't survive).
>Personally, I was always kind of uneasy about a fully functioning computer
>2500+ years old after being buried for most of that time.  I mean, sure while
>materials may be durable, like walls and such, it was a BIT much to 
>completely swallow.

Well, it was designed with the possibility in mind that it might
have to survive umpteen-thousand years without maintanance. Heck,
it used a stone-aged operating system to be safe. ;-)

One thing that got to me about the Aivas was its total lack of
control - it could observe, but not actively do anything as
simple as turn on lights. Isn't that rather a stupid way to
design a failsafe system?

The fact that it makes Jaxom, Piemur & crew do every little
detail, like learning to program, makes sense to most people in
the computer field (I'd guess) - even editing text on a Macintosh
is worlds easier if you understand how the computer itself deals
with characters and codes.

ObPernMUSH: Psychocoders are canonical so nyeah! ;-)

ObPlug:

 Coming soon to a newsgroup near you....

[Swelling musical intro by John Williams... its there, just listen]

                           __  __  __ ,  ,
                          |__)|__ |__)|\ |
                  ________|   |__ | \ | \|_________
                 |           EPISODE V             |
                 |  The__             __  __   __  |
                 |    |__)|   /\ \ / |__ |__) (_   |
                 |    |   |__/--\ |  |__ | \  __)  |
                 |            STRIKE BACK          |
                 |________           __  __________|
                          \    / /\ |__)(_
                           \/\/ /--\| \ __)

The Continuing Saga of Luke Skylocker, Perpetua-Leia, F'jon Solo,
Annalyn-the-Wookie, Artoo-the-blue and Green-threepio, facing the
evil machinations of Lord Darth, rider of Sith, and legions of
Threadtroopers... 

Special Guest Appearances by: Obi-Wan-Sh'dow-Bi, and JT the
Server Master.

Featuring the same writing that got the author of Episode IV
ostracized by his peers...

Joshua
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From: pjh@vernon.noname (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Moreta
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:49:46 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@vernon.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 27992992@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz, mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie) writes:
>Greetings Fellow Pern-o's :-)
>
>	I've just finished reading the 'Moreta - Dragonlady of pern' book
>	and found it to be one of the most depressing books I have ever read.
>	Moreta was gearing up to be one of my favorite charactors with her
>	dedication to the Weyr only to have her snatched at the end
>	of the book. Does anyone else find this .. or is it a case of 
>	'it was how it was meant to be'
>
>			 Mark

I didn't find it depressing but I did cry at the end of it - rather embarrasing
because I was on a train on the London Underground at the time. I still find it
very moving when I read it now.

Philippa


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From: ktoast@milton.u.washington.edu (Toast M. Jost)
Subject: Re: FL regs.
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:57:49 GMT

jmars@mta.ca (SHANDRA) writes:

>*chuckle* Also, imagine running a hatching where you get to run a wherry,
>too, and satisfy that blood lust you've had since the boss moved the
>deadline up on you. :-)

And there is a loose wherry in SouCon ready to accommodate you! :)

Felyn Bargold   Jr. Apprentice Beastcrafter@SouCon
From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:30:39 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

In article <1992Oct2.174031.22203@ra.msstate.edu> aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo) writes:
>
>I'd like to see a Dragonflight movie almost as bad as I'd like to be in it!!

	When I read this, I thought it was, hooray!, someone against
the movie idea. Seriously, turning these books, or any decent books,
in to movies destroys one's mental images entirely. The same with
graphic novels. Bleah. I *like* what my imagination does, and I sure
don't need Mr. George "Rotten Taste" Lucas or Steven "Aesthetics? What?"
Spielberg ruining its work.

	If you do not have mental images of this sort worth preserving,
you have at least my sympathy.

	Andrew
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: futuer storys
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:14:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep29.171724.11084@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>there cold be a large number of interesting storys about any outher
>period in perns past. I would like to see one cronicling Fax's rise.

Renegades of Pern covers this fairly well, IMHO. I don't think I
could stand reading much more about that wher-brain.

>Another interesting story would be to have someone from outside crash
>on pern that way miny of the pernessis questions might be answered.

"Rescue Run" details something similar, and also has the system
interdicted by the FSP. There's a problem with crashing - look at
how well Anne deals with spaceflight (if you ignore FTL) - in
Rescue Run, at least, they spend months getting into the proper
intersection orbits, instead of just 'powering' there like on
'Trek. I can't imagine one of her ships being so disabled that it
had to ditch in the Rukbat system _and_ being able to make it to
Pern _but_ not making planetfall intact.

Still, would be a neat story, kinda like that SS I started.

Joshua
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Subject: Moreta
From: mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie)
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:18:17 GMT
Organization: Onyx Computer Point , Takapuna , Auckland , New Zealand
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Greetings Fellow Pern-o's :-)

	I've just finished reading the 'Moreta - Dragonlady of pern' book
	and found it to be one of the most depressing books I have ever read.
	Moreta was gearing up to be one of my favorite charactors with her
	dedication to the Weyr only to have her snatched at the end
	of the book. Does anyone else find this .. or is it a case of 
	'it was how it was meant to be'

			 Mark
From: dragon@angus.mi.org (John Lussmyer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Favorite book covers
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:33:21 GMT
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary) writes:

> 
> My d'song has a _very_ beautiful and ethereal Menolly (though you need a 
> magnifying glass to see her) just after she has been picked up by the rider 
> 
> Good point, what are the covers for the 3 volumes in one book? And has there 
> been cover art for shortstories in magazines etc boardgames?
> 
> (I didnt like the cover of smallest dragonboy, even though it is of the same 
> style as the harper covers. Dont know why.)
> 
> >John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
> 
> Mark aka Raphe, J'man Herder

Well, I want JPEG's or TGA's of all those other covers!  Sounds like
almost every cover you describe is different from the ones I have.
(The White Dragon may be the same).  The alternate cover for ATWOP
was on display at ChiCon (1991 WorldCon), and sold for $$$$$.  The
cover on my copy of ATWOP shows Ruth/Jaxom (foreground) and other
dragons (background) standing on top of rocky points sticking up
through the clouds.  Kinda boring.

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Date: 5 Oct 1992 19:07:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Yes. Please. Do SHUT UP.

This was a FUN newsgroup once.

So please, do us all a favor and piss off, like a nice group of people?
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
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From: vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn)
Subject: Re: Drudges--What are they?
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:32:35 GMT

In article <BVFuRB5w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM> bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins) writes:
>vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn) writes:
>
>> Also we must consider that Camo, is not exactly an ordinary drudge, examples 
>> those are better found in DragonDrums. According to the book People of Pern, 
>> which Im not sure if it is canon or not but probably is considering who wrote
>> , he is the son of Robinton and Silvina, which would explain alot about why h
>> is treated as he is, aside from natural politeness. 
>> 
>really? I had not heard this, but wondered why he seemed 'special' (always had
>a warm spot in my heart for him).....
>where is this speculated from (no flame meant, just curious, and I like the
>idea...)

The book I got this info from is People of Pern, done I believe by McCaffrey and
the co-author/artist who did the Atlas, and even rarer than the Atlas. It has
full color sketches of all of the major characters and brief bio's on them.
If you really want to see most of the pictures and can't find PoP, look for the
board games DRoP, it uses the same drawings.

Luke Vaughn
vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Moreta
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:39:05 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <37097.27992992@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz>, mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie) writes:
> Greetings Fellow Pern-o's :-)
> 
> 	I've just finished reading the 'Moreta - Dragonlady of pern' book
> 	and found it to be one of the most depressing books I have ever read.
> 	Moreta was gearing up to be one of my favorite charactors with her
> 	dedication to the Weyr only to have her snatched at the end
> 	of the book. Does anyone else find this .. or is it a case of 
> 	'it was how it was meant to be'
> 
> 			 Mark

It was predestined because AM had already described the general story in
previous books. I did find the book depressing, however, in that it wasn't at
all what I had hoped for. I think it would have been much stronger if she had
followed the story laid out in the legend, with Moreta dying together with her
dragon. Thus it would have been a real tragedy, instead of the compromise
situation she set up resulting in a "happy ending" with another touching
Impression scene (aw! Aren't they *cute*!).

--Semhaza
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From: raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky)
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:57:29 GMT

Maybe you can answer a question for me. This has bothered me for a while,
but since a lot of people seem to be dealing with it just fine, I'd
like to know how.

What do dragonriders _do_ to justify their existance in 500-year,
PostAtWOP Pern?

That's the most difficult thing I can imagine getting over. 

After that, it's probably all very easy...

raybro
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Moreta
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:03:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct6.114946.6748@eng.cam.ac.uk> pjh@vernon.noname writes:
>In article 27992992@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz, mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie) writes:
>>	I've just finished reading the 'Moreta - Dragonlady of pern' book
>>	and found it to be one of the most depressing books I have ever read.
>>	Moreta was gearing up to be one of my favorite charactors with her
>>	dedication to the Weyr only to have her snatched at the end
>>	of the book. Does anyone else find this .. or is it a case of 
>>	'it was how it was meant to be'
>I didn't find it depressing but I did cry at the end of it -
>rather embarrasing because I was on a train on the London
>Underground at the time. I still find it very moving when I read it now.

I've only read it the once, but the book that always get to me is
Dragonsdawn - I make sure I'm not in a public place when I read
the section on the First Fall over Landing, or Sean, Sorka and
crew presenting themselves to Admiral Benden at the end as the
Dragonriders of Pern.

Call me sentimental. :)

Joshua
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: On the equaltiy and abilities of dragons...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:04:23 GMT

u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Dean Bailey) writes:

>In article <19vgc1INNj78@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan) writes:
>> 

>There is some development of blue dragons in "Moreta" as K'lor is a rather important
>character since he was one of the first to survive the plague.  Also Moreta herself 
>rode K'lor dragon quite often while her gold was clutching.  It is also mentioned that
>blues are the most sensitive on the search.

sod, haven't read Moreta for too long, but the dragon that 
searches Alessan's sister is also a blue. But I agree... blues
get a deal comparable with the greens....

BTW I just noticed, and it may have been mentioned... but alessan v lessa
Both Ruathan....

Eccles