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From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing Since 1987 -- Please Help Us Find...
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:22:40 GMT
Expires: Thu, 17 Sep 92 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



<<<<<<<<  PLEASE NOTE:  Child Quest International, Inc. is a non-profit
organization, devoted to the protection and recovery of Missing, Abused,
and Exploited Children.  For more information, please call the San Jose
headquarters at (408) 492-1122. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


MISSING:

Lisa Mae Zaharias and Christopher Louis Zaharias


Lisa Mae Zaharias
Date of Birth:	8/18/86
Height:		2' 00"
Weight:		20 lbs.
Eyes:		Blue
Hair:		Sandy Blond
Race:		White
Sex:	 	Female


Christopher Louis Zaharias
Date of Birth:	3/25/84
Height:		3' 00"
Weight:		40 lbs.
Eyes:		Blue
Hair:		Sandy Blond
Race:		White
Sex:		Male

Both of these children have been missing since 11/20/87 from
Mission Viejo, California.  
Missing Type - Non-custodial mother

(The descriptive info. above was obtained at time of disappearance)


Felony Arrest Warrant Issued For:

Susan Elizabeth Zaharias
Date of Birth:		12/05/59
Height:			5' 6"
Weight:			100 lbs.
Eyes:			Brown
Hair:			Blond
Race:			White
Sex:			Female
Other:			Small scar on upper lip


Law Enforcement:  Agency Name, Orange County District Attorney's office
		  Officer's Name, Larry Branson
		  Telephone Number, (714) 541-7532


If you have information on this or any other missing child, please
contact the above law enforcement agency or call:

		Child Quest International, Inc.
		(408) 492-1122, San Jose Headquarters
		(800) 248-8020 , 24 Sighting Line (Sighting calls only please!)


Keeping Hope Alive,
Linda
Child Quest Volunteer
Child Quest INternational, Inc.
From: rivk@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Runaways
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:53:11 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


All right; intentionally provocative question -- this newsgroup
focuses in a fairly even fashion on the twin problems of child
abuse and missing children. But it seems to be taken as axiomatic
that these problems are never in conflict with each other. So what
do you do about children who are missing of their own volition, 
especially those who have left home *because* they were being
abused? Still search for them as vigilantly as for those who were
abducted? Still return them to their families when you've managed
to hunt them down? How old should a child be before they're assumed
to know what they're doing and allowed to remain missing if they so
choose? Don't suggest that the child should have gone to Child Welfare
or the like in the first place rather than running away; first of all,
it doesn't always work -- lots of abused kids show no physical signs,
and Child Welfare will usually not take a kid's word for it, or even
witnesses' word for it if the parent says the witness has some reason
to dislike them -- and second of all, even to the extent it does work,
the kids don't usually know that. What do people think of the runaway
resource centers that help out kids and let them contact their parents
without fear of being found, of they want to? Are these against the
spirit of this group, because they help keep kids from being found?
What do you do with an abused child who's run away once you *do* track
them down? For a lot of kids, if they're fairly mature, foster homes
or state facilities are a lot worse than what they could manage for
themselves from the street or from friends.

I don't have any answers. But I lived on the street for three years,
when I was twelve to fifteen, and the police and CW people were the
enemy.

-- 
"Light one candle for those who are suffering pain we learned so long ago..."
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: In Response...
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:18:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>LI>posting which listed indicators of neglect and sexual abuse.
>
>Hello Linda and All...
>
>I'd like to comment on these indicators of abuse.  I aprreciate your
>efforts, and I'm sure they are helping children in danger right now.
>However, may I ask that before you call children's services on a
>'suspect' parent, please PLEASE get both sides of the story.  Three
>times my parents were harassed by children's services because someone
>accused them of neglect without getting the whole picture.  Now, I'm
>16... but let me tell you, we were HARASSED.  Many social workers, upon
>enetering a suspect home, automatically assume that there are terrible
>things going on when there are not.  Children's Services rarely knows
>what they are doing, and it can break up a family more than bind it
>together.  They invade privacy and break several constitutional rights
>with no proof that anything is going on, so they harass and harass and
>harass until they get what they think is right, when often it is not.
>
>--josh
>
>---
>


Josh,

I'm sorry that your family went through such trauma and you certainly do
have a point about looking at both sides of the story.  

I must, however, disagree with you about Children's Services not knowing
what they are doing.  I think that your case was not the norm.  Typically,
when a child looks like they are being abused, chances are that they are
being abused.  Of course, that is not always the case and there are times
when a wrong assumption is made.  I, for one, would rather see a mistake
made on behalf of the child's well-being.    

Let me give you a good example.  Last month, I received a note from a 
woman who was walking in a shopping mall with her adopted son.  Apparently,
the woman and her son were of different races.  The woman was stopped by
a police officer because her son apparently looked like a child who 
had been missing.  He questioned her and she was asked to show her
adoption papers, etc.  It turned out that this was not a missing child,
the police were wrong.  Now, this woman could have gotten really steamed,
and she would have every right to be real angry.  But, she didn't get
angry.  She knew that she and her son drew some attention because of their
different races and she was happy to see that the police are being so
thorough in their search for this missing child.  When she wrote to me,
it was to ask me what papers she might carry with her, should this happen
again.  She wanted to know if the adoption papers were enough.

My point is this...  organizations like Child Quest, the Heidi Search Center,
the Center for Missing & Exploited Children, and others involved in this
group, are hoping to prevent terrible things from happening to children.
And, while there will occasionally be a case where mistakes are made, we
must be sure that those mistakes are made on behalf of a child's well-being.

Keeping hope Alive,
Linda (Child Quest Volunteer)
lindae@netcom.com
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: GIFS
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:42:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Date: 15 Aug 92  22:49:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.714070820@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing Child GIFs
To: lindae@netcom.com
Status: OR

USENET

    GIFs on Missing Children are now available in USENET through
    HALCYON.COM.  There are approximately 450 GIFs of missing Children
    available.

      I am in the process of making the GIFs available in FIDO Net
      through the FILEBONE.  I have already received permission from the
      Texas Dept. of Public Safety Missing Child/Missing Person Clearing
      House and should have permission from the National Center for
      Missing and Exploited Children to distribute them in this manner,
      as long as we can track which boards receive them.
FIDO

   Presently the GIFs are available in FIDO through The Heidi Search
   Center, (387/622), Russell Coombs (2612/107), Raymond Bullock
   (124/5114), Rick Luquette (384/3), Mark Terrace (141/340) and Greg
   Nabor (343/34).

RIME
   Available through Russell Coombs.

GT Powernet
   Available through Raymond Bullock.

Also Adam Assenberg (352/50) has an organization that is beginning to
distribute GIFs of Missing Children.

  These GIFs contain the pictures of children in addition to the
  circumstances of their abduction, date and place of abduction, if
  available information on the abductor and physical charicteristics of
  the Children.


   Marvin Cotton, Moderator, Missing_Child
      Heidi Search Center

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Child Quest Benefit Fundraiser
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 02:11:23 GMT
Expires: Fri, 18 Sep 92 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba



Child Quest International, Inc. Presents:

		A Halloween Hop!!!!!!!!!!!!!

		Bop 'Til You Drop!!!!!!!!!!!1


	When:	Friday, october 30th
	What:	Dinner, 7:30 p.m.
		Live Music & Dancing, 8:15 p.m.
		No-Host Cocktails, Doors open at 6:00 p.m.

	To Benefit Child Quest International,
	A Non-profit organization devoted to the protection and
	recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children.

	Where:	San Jose


	Tickets are 1 for $20.00 or 2 for $35.00

	Enjoy Dance Contests **** Hula Hoop **** Most Creative 50's 
	Costumes Award **** And, Much More!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	For Tickets & More information, call:  (408) 492-1122
	Please mention that you saw this on the NET so that we'll know
	you are interested in seeing these postings in the future.




Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: FingerPrinting
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 02:15:28 GMT
Expires: Fri, 18 Sep 92 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba



If your company is having a company picnic or other event that includes
families and children, you may be interested to know that you could
request a Child Quest representative to come out and do fingerprinting
of the children.  Fingerprinting is something that all parents should
consider...it can be crucial in helping to identify a child that has
been abducted.  Child Quest will also bring safety tips and coloring books
for the kids.

If you are an employer, or you have an employer, mention this idea at the
office.  


For more information, call Child Quest, a non-profit organization devoted
to the protection and recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children.
(408) 492-1122


Keeping Hope Alive,
Child Quest International
lindae@netcom.com
From: dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: The Great Law of the Peace; where can I get a copy
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:29:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder, CO

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this?
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
From: randy@midiline.la.ca.us (randy cartwright)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Algonquin Beliefs books
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:28:36 PDT
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

I'm looking for books describing the beliefs of Algonquin
speaking tribes of the Eastern Woodlands. Specifically the
Powhatans but I know there isn't much accurate information 
about them so information about related tribes would be 
of help.

-----
randy@midiline.la.ca.us (randy cartwright) 
MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Question regarding a film
Date: 17 Aug 92 04:02:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH



Hi all,

	I have seen a film which called "Where The Spirit Lives" a while
ago.  I wanted to find it, but I couldn't (and I have been told it is
no longer in distribution).  It could easily be one of the best Native
American films I have ever seen.  Does anyone know what happened to it?
and... if possible, where can I find/buy a copy of this film?

	Thanks in advance.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


                                            ____________________________
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|   Leung   /       or     abs0@Coos.Dartmouth.edu        <  #  ^  #  >     | 
|__________/_______________________________________________(vvvvvvvvv)------|
| "Unless someone like you cares a whole |  Aaahhhh!!! It's a beast...      |
|  awful lot, nothing is going to get    |    ... no, no... it's a doll...  |
|  better.  It's not."                   |       ... what is it?            |
|               -- Dr. Seuss (The Lorax) | either way... it's here!!!       |
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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Alan McGowen <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>
Subject: Environment and native issues
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:27:59 GMT

Original-Sender: Alan McGowen <hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>

 Marianne Dugan writes:

> I have had to explain the distinction (and my own
> skeptical view of "animal activism") to so many people who think
> all us folks trying to stop the logging of the ancient forests
> are doing it cuz we just love those "furry little spotted owls"
> (as Bush -- or Lujan? -- put it!) more than we love our own
> species.  Another tactic, I believe, to divide and conquer those
> of us trying to do a little bit to stop the destruction.
>

I've encountered this frequently: "if you want to stop logging" (or dam
construction or whatever) "to protect some owl or fish then you must be
anti-human."

The psychology of this tactic seem to arise from the dominant-culture view
that "man" and "nature" are antithetical forces: if you want to protect
nature, then you have joined the enemy, according to this "logic".

The counteractive tactic for this is to stress the dependence of humans
on nature. Unfortunately, many people simply don't believe that there is
any such dependence. They think that some techno-trick or other can always
be found to substitute for any lost natural function.


------------
Alan McGowen

[I have changed the subject line, since this discussion has travelled
far from its origins.  If it's going to deal with purely environmental
topics, however, it should be taken elsewhere--to alt.environment,
perhaps--reserving NatChat for issues dealing more directly with Native
affairs.  I realize that there are intimate connections between the two
issues, but a dividing line has to be drawn somewhere.   mkk]
From: pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Question regarding a film
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:11:26 PDT
Distribution: ol
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 	I have seen a film which called "Where The Spirit Lives" a while
> ago.  I wanted to find it, but I couldn't (and I have been told it is
> no longer in distribution).  It could easily be one of the best Native
> American films I have ever seen.  Does anyone know what happened to it?
> and... if possible, where can I find/buy a copy of this film?
> 
> 	Thanks in advance.
> 
> Yours Sincerely,
> Kelvin
    It was aired on PBS here about 2 months ago and I missed it (damn)
but I am watching for it to air again before the end of the year. You might
check your local PBS and see if they have any plans to air it....
    HO!
From: sbrock@teal.csn.org (Steve Brock)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Insight Guide:  Native America (Travel Guide)
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:16:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

INSIGHT GUIDE:  NATIVE AMERICA, edited by John Gattuso.  Prentice
Hall Travel Series, 15 Columbus Circle, N.Y., NY  10023.  Illus-
trated, index, maps, bibliography.  389 pp., $19.95.  
0-13-467119-8


                             REVIEW

     This lavish guide is essential for anyone wanting to tour
Indian reservations of the United States, or to become informed on
what is special about each tribe.  Over 200 tribes are mentioned.
     Richly illustrated with full page color photographs, the guide
begins with an answer to the question:  "Where is Native America?" 
The answer is: "Everywhere, but now there are cultural bastions
that are remnants of what once was."  The book proceeds to detail
the history of the tribes before the coming of the Europeans, the
settlement of the West, and Indian culture today.  Chapters discuss
how Natives cope with living in two worlds, the development of
their art, and the powwow circuit.
     The book then turns to a description of tribes, grouped
geographically:  the Sioux (they are actually called Lakota, Sioux
means "enemy"), Wind River, Crow, Cheyenne, and Blackfeet of the
Great Plains; the Navajo, Hopi, Pueblo, and Apache of the South-
west; and other regions are described in detail.  The article on
the Hopi by Abbot Sekaquaptewa is a fitting memorial; he passed
away last month.  Next comes a section of maps, showing the
location of tribal reservations and pueblos.
     The last section of the book gives information on traveling to
the reservations:  how to get there, how to behave, what to do in
an emergency, where to stay, things to do, and useful addresses for
further information.
     This guide is a wealth of knowledge on Native American culture
and life, as well as a manual for the traveler.  Most of the
articles are written by tribal members.
     Please do not treat lightly the section on how to behave when
visiting a reservation.  Even though the tribes are federally
administered under the Department of the Interior, the reservations
are private communities - not national parks.  Several tribes are
deliberating on closing the reservations and ceremonies to
outsiders due to past misconduct.  Imagine a tour bus arriving at
your church service, with people spilling out taking pictures. 
Please use the utmost respect when visiting the tribes!
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Alan McGowen <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>
Subject: Re: NAVAJO OLD GROWTH FOREST TO BE CUT
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:48:50 GMT

Original-Sender: Alan McGowen <hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>

Peter d'Errico writes:

> I am not talking about invasions. I am talking about non-Indians (or
> other "outsiders") taking action within their own domains. The analogy
> that I would make is to the Hydro-Quebec project, where non-Cree
> people in New York take action to get the New York government to
> cancel its contracts. This is an "intervention" in the overall process
> that does not involve telling any Cree person what to do, but which
> has an impact on Cree activities and lands.

This is an extremely important point. Around the world there are numerous
development projects which impact indigenous people which are funded either
internationally (e.g. by the World Bank) or by transnational corporations.
International funds are contributed by governments -- in other words, they
come from your taxes. The finances of transnational corporations come from
the sale of their products -- in other words, they come from your purchases
as consumers. Ultimately the funding for these projects comes from all of
us players in the world economy. And if the projects are destructive to
indigenous people or the ecosystems they depend on for their lives and the
maintenance of their culture, it is ultimately *we* who are responsible
for it.

It is no good to argue that it is none of our affair. It *is* our affair.
We must be very skeptical about arguments to the effect that avoiding
"meddling" in other peoples' affairs is reason to do nothing. That is
exactly what the power brokers want: don't *you* meddle with the Cree
(or with whomever). Leave it to *us*.

We certainly have no right to "tell the Cree what to do", but we have
an inescapable responsibility for the effects of the power projects and
other developments which we fund, directly or indirectly. The greater
the inequity in political and financial power between those most affected
by the development and the developers, the greater is our responsibility
for the outcome.

------------
Alan McGowen
From: root@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (root)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: roots
Date: 10 Aug 92 14:17:42 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
Old-Message-ID: <9208101417.AA10266@BU.EDU>

Original-Sender: Sidney W. Kitchel <octopus.dpsi.com!kitchel>

NativeNet%gnosys.svle.ma.us@tamvm1.tamu.edu writes:
|->
|-> Original-Sender: babs@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (Babs Woods)
|-> I am far removed from my Cherokee ancestress and have no hope of making
|-> a legitimate legal claim to my Indianness.  Yet, I am making the effort
|-> to learn the language and learn as much as I can about who I am as the
|-> descendant of an Indian, *because I want to*.
|->  ...
|-> If I can ever find enough information on my ancestress to go to the
|-> Eastern Band with it, I will, simply to say we're not dead yet.  I

	The situation in Oklahoma is different. Like many Oklahoma
tribes, the Tsa-La-Gi have an official roll. If my memory serves, it
was made around 1907. The roll helps establish claims to membership in
the Cherokee Nation. In and of itself, the importance of this is
mainly as you point out -- personal. However, the outward benefits can
be real, e.g. the chance to attend an Oklahoma college with free
tuition, if you have the proper BQ.
	My situation is typical of many Oklahomans. I have a Cherokee
ancestor, who belonged to a family very distrustful of the U.S.
government. When the Cherokee roll was taken, the family refused to be
put on the roll. Thus, I cannot establish my BQ, which is small in any
case, but I'm proud of it all the same. I have a half-brother and two
half-sisters who are 1/4 Osage. Establishing Osage "head-rights" is
not a useless effort as it still involves some share in oil royalties.
	I'd like to voice my disapproval of the BIA roll process.
Before the U.S. government got involved, it was completely the
decision of the Indian group as to who was in or out of the group. I
feel this is the only true measure of Indian-ness. It is not a matter
of bureaucracy or arbitrary rules. For example, if the Dine decide
that Tony Hillerman, for good deeds done on behalf of the Navaho,
should be Dine, then he is. Now the BIA may disagree, but that is just
ignoring the facts.
						--Sid
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