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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:31:39 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Jul28.102134.23328@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>From article <Bs2tos.AL6@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
> Denis Beauregard writes:-
>
>>>world, therefore, women should hold 51% of posts in government. There are
>>>40% anglophones in Quebec, therefore they should have 40% of the radio
>>
>> There _was_, and this in Montreal, not in Quebec (was never more than 20%)
>
>  The percentage of the TOTAL Quebec population of English mother tongue
>  has fallen from 24% in 1861 to less than 10% today.
>
>  I have the figures for Montreal at home - I'll dig them up later.
>  Montreal is much higher, of course.


Maybe you will compare them with the number of francophones in Canada ;-) ?

BTW, I was talking about radio and the situation around 1970-1980, please
don't bring in figures for 1875 period : there was no radio station in
the world before 1919 (or 1922/1923) for broadcasting.

>
>> 
>> [Stuff deleted]
>> 
>>    ...  If it is constantly necessary to fight to have something, this is
>> not exactly dignity.
>
>  Thank you!
>
>  You are showing signs of understanding something of my position.
>
>  Constantly fighting to gain the right to have your children attend the
>  publicly funded school of your choice; in their own neighbourhood; in
>  their own language; is not exactly "dignity" is it!?

Maybe, but nobody bought your vote by promising you dignity if you
voted no as happened in 1980.  Moreover, you voluntarily choose
you actual situation.

>
>> Why is that "united" Canada unable to find something that Quebec will accept?
>
>  That's a good question.
>
>  Put it another way:-
>
>  Why is it that the nationalists in Quebec can not accept anything "united"
>  Canada has to offer?

So, you think that Quebec shown nothing that would be acceptable since
the 1960's for example?  Or since 1976?  So, you think that a deaf Canada
between 1976 and Meech Lake has learned to hear since that?  Still kidding!
BTW, united Canada has not yet made any offer in favor of Quebec.  Always
the minimum it can let go and always less than what Quebec would expect
from a country that's accusing Quebec of treatry just because is and was
different (remember  Too Great a Country to be broken  in recent postings).

>  
>-- 
>  ///==================================================================\\\
>  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
>  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
>  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||


-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Xref: sparky can.general:3559 can.politics:5524
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: FLQ (was Re: French/English status after independence)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:06:53 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <12398@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>In article (CZ94000) writes:
>>Denis had a posting recently on this topic.  I didn't understand
>>it very well, but I gather that he views criticism of the FLQ as a
>>form of Quebec bashing.
>
>Why the hell is two isolated murders always given as example of
>so-called Quebec nationalism, or violence in Quebec.
>
*Two* isolated murders?  Laporte and who else?

I don't think it's at all true that the FLQ is always given as an
"example of so-called Quebec nationalism."  I certainly haven't
seen such a tendency in this news group.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: can.general
From: eastick@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Doug Eastick)
Subject: BC Houseboat companies wanted
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:59:06 GMT

Anyone have any company names and phone numbers for houseboat rental
companies in interior BC?  We're thinking of going next summer.

Thanks.
-- 
Doug Eastick -- Sudbury, Ontario
Newsgroups: can.general
From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Newsgroups: can.general,rec.bikes
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:26:02 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breakers of Montreal

In article <1992Jul28.224349.2196@cs.mcgill.ca> wheelan@cs.mcgill.ca (Bill HEELAN) writes:
>From article <Bs3rCL.9IF@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, by howard@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Howard Lem):
>[...]
>> Well let me put my two bit into the fray :-)  This is just an opinion!
>> 
>> I believe users wanting the government to provide something should contribute
>> a majority of the cost to operate/maintain the service.  Drivers pay assorted
>> taxes and licensing fees to use the roads.  If bicylists want bike paths,
>> they contirbute towards their creation and upkeep just like motor vehicles
>> and their drivers.
>
>    Hmmm, do drivers pay their fair share of the costs of road maintenance
>    and construction, and environmental damage?

I'm not sure about cars, but it's big heavy trucks and buses that do most of 
the damage to roads, and they don't pay nearly their share for it.

But regardless of whether car drivers are paying for the roads they drive on,
they are NOT compensating me for having to breathe car fumes all day.  Nor are
they compensating me for making crossing the street a danger or an 
inconvenience.  Nor are they paying a fair amount for the sheer area taken up
by all the roads and parking lots seemingly required.  This land in city cores
could be put to much better use.  

Just think about how many bikes can be parked or ridden in the area required 
for one car.

>                                                      - Bill

-- 
Steve Robbins  --  steve@nyongwa.cam.org
The difference between Canadians and Americans is:
Americans don't care what the difference between Canadians and Americans is.
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Labatt "Draft";Molson "Dry" etc.
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:49:10 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 651


   The difference between Canadian "Beer" and making love in a canoe?

   Not much! - they're both F*#&$^% close to water!
                            ^^^^^^^
                          [expletive]


   For a "Clean", "Refreshing", "Clear" flavoured, artificially
   carbonated beverage with no aftertaste - drink soda water!!!
   It's cheaper!



-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:44:35 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

> If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them have a 15mph speed
> limit?

Probably for a number of reasons.  The paths tend to be multi-purpose, with
pedestrians, slow recreational riders, unpredictable riders, etc, who don't mix
safely with faster cyclists.  Many paths aren't designed properly, preventing
an unobstructed view far enough ahead for faster cycling.  The paths also cross
other paths and roadways, forming uncontrolled intersections, and no one
expects cyclists to slow down for them (too many don't).

--

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Xref: sparky can.general:3362 can.politics:5288 soc.culture.canada:5185
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: RACISM???/Access to English schools
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:36:27 GMT
	<21JUL92.11488211.0074@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
	<1992Jul22.015308.10877@u.washington.edu> <BrsM9t.41s@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Followup-To: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <BrsM9t.41s@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

   In article <1992Jul22.015308.10877@u.washington.edu> macuser@milton.u.washington.edu (Hung Le) writes:
   >yes, I think most of the provinces have a
   >"English is official in ......" clause.
   >Only New Brunswick is officially bilingual
   >province.... strange....

   Last time I read some extract of the constitution,
   it was said that only New-Brunswick had a bilingual status,
   that is a bilingual status written in the constitution.
   I don't remember the other's status.

Le N.-B. est la seule province officiellement bilingue, selon la
Constitution canadienne.  L'acte manitobain (1870) a cree une province
bilingue, et l'acte T.N-O (qui est encore legale en Alberta,
Saskatchewan, et les Territoires) dit qq choses au sujet de la
bilinguisme (?), je crois.

Le Quebec n'est pas officiellement bilingue, mais la constitution
exige que le parlement quebecoise et les cours quebecoises doit etre
bilingue.

Aussi, l'Ontario n'est pas officiellement bilingue, mais il etre en
train de services bilingues au niveau provincial.

--
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School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
Xref: sparky can.general:3419 rec.crafts.brewing:4082
From: rleroux1@sol.UVic.CA (Roger Leroux)
Subject: Re: Chevron gas stations
Organization: University of Victoria
Distribution: can
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:44:16 GMT

In <1992Jul28.232743.21230@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>This brand name exists in the USA, but not in Canada.
>I remember that it did at one time exist.
>What happened to it? Can we get Chevron products here in Canada?

Chevron is alive and well here in BC. From the back of my Chevron card,
it's accepted at Esso stations across Canada *except* BC, so I suspect Esso
bought out Chevron except in BC, or vice versa.

Roger

-- 
Roger Leroux          | "Climate is what we expect; weather is what we get." Me
rleroux1@sol.uvic.ca  |	"Everybody lies about sex." Lazarus Long
----------------------+ "Six of one, half a dozen of the other." Number 2.
rec.motorcycles DoD#43| Be seeing you...
Newsgroups: can.general
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: the new Constitutional Deal
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:54:22 GMT

ph3@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Hamilton (phys 306)) writes:
>
>I remember when M. Bourassa used section 33 of the Charter to pass the sign
>law in Quebec, he said that if Meech had been law, he would have used the
>Distinct Society clause instead. (The Distinct Society clause, I suppose,
>would not have the politically difficult 5 year expiry date in the
>Notwithstanding clause.) I, up to that point, was unaware that the Distinct
>Society clause in Meech was worded strongly enough to allow suspension of
>"equality before and under the law" (Charter, Section 15(1)). I have also
>heard, from some French politicians, that the Distinct Society "equivalent"
>in this recent "deal" is not strong enough, so the eventual DS clause might
>have some effect on suspension of some Charter guaranteed rights, such
>that Quebec can suspend the icky ones permanently to preserve their culture.
>This, I think, is a fairly Canadian thing to do. (Imagine, however, if people
>had gone for the Vander Zalm initiative that EVERY province is a distinct
>society. Ouch.)

I don't understand why it should be OK for Quebec to suspend Charter
guaranteed rights in the name of cultural preservation, but not the other
provinces. For example, why should it be fine for Quebec to pass a sign law
in order create a French exterior in Quebec, yet BC could not do so in
order to create an English exterior in the face of serious Asian
immigration? Does BC's culture not deserve the same considerations as
Quebec's? 

BTW, in case it's not obvious, I am playing devil's advocate. I don't have
a problem with Asian immigration, I don't think BC needs its own sign law,
and I do greatly dislike Quebec's sign law. But, I *do* have a *very* hard
time with double standards.

-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Newsgroups: can.general
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Email access to internet
Keywords: email
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:08:36 GMT

In article <geoffrey.711761742@namao> 
                      geoffrey@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca (Geoffrey Holan) writes:
>Hi, I am sending this for the following person.
>Please respond directly to him. Thanks
>
>I would like to get email access to the usenet/internet in the 
> Missassauga area of Ontario.
>I work for Anixtor tech support, and can be reached at 416-897-5665
>  Vince Mammolti
>
	You could select the "can.uucp" or "can.uucp.maps" newsgroups,
	and see what you can find there.

	Also, you could select the "comp.mail.maps" newsgroup,
	and find the articles with the string 'u.can.on'
	in the "Subject:" line.  You'll get a complete list
	of the USENET sites in the Canadian province of Ontario.
	One entry is very interesting -- the "#C" field especially!
_________

#N	actov
#S	DEC MicroVAX 3900; VMS V5.2
#O	Avnet Computer Toronto
#C	Vince Mammoliti
#E	mammoliti@actov.avnet.com
#T	+1 416 795 9050
#P	151 Superior Bld, Mississauga, ON L5T 2L1
#L	79 24 N / 117 07 W city
#R	Running DECUS uucp V1.2A and ANU News 5.9C
#U
#W	mammoliti@actov.avnet.com (Vince Mammoliti); Mon Jan 06 08:35 EDT 1992
#	
#
actov	= actov.avnet.com
actov	.actov.avnet.com
actov	avnet(DEMAND+HIGH),scocan(DEMAND)
From: Draker@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Draker)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:49:20 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

In a message dated Thu 29 Jul 92  5:44, Mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (murray 
wrote:

 M> john@chance.gts.org (John R MacMillan) writes:
>|>6% of Ontarians (460,000) over the age of 15 use bicycles for primary
>|>transportation.

>|Not one of whom is tested for knowing the rules of the road on a bicycle,
>|or knowing the safe way to drive on a road which also has cars on it.
>
>I'd say the vast majority over age 15 also have drivers licenses, so
>have indeed been tested for basic rules of the road.

This may be true (what 16 yr. old doesn't want their license?) but when *I*
thook Driver's Ed. (three years ago) absolutely *nothing* was taught to me
about bicycles.  I find most drivers feel obligated to leave me a car's
width of room (even though I am only ~1.5 feet from the curb) thus
endangering the oncoming traffic!!!

>Actually, since a bicycle is not entitled to a complete lane, but is a
>vehicle, there are times it should be between the lanes: eg, turning
>left from a four lane road, the bicycle should be at the right of the
>left lane.
 M> Funny, I thought bikes *are* entitled to a complete lane.
I believe they are, but have you ever tried convincing a car moving 2-3
times your speed?  Even in slow traffic, you are extremely vulnerable
between those bumpers - it is far safer to scoot along the side, carefully
slowing down near those cars driving with their sidewalls in the curb...

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: Draker@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Draker)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Politics and the Olympics (was Re: Olympic Musing)
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:56:48 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

In a message dated Tue 27 Jul 92  5:42, Beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (denis Be
wrote:

 DB> As for Olympic spirit, I am very disappointed to see (again, sigh)
 DB> the federal government using the event to promote politics.\
 DB> The advertisement is showing all those Olympic athletes and says
 DB> how great Canada is.  This is crap and abusing the olympic spirit.
 DB> Without Canada, Quebec athletes would say they are representing
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Probably.  So?? (!)
 DB> Quebec, that's all.  Olympic spirit is supposedly related to the
 DB> athlete and the individual (or participating team), not to countries
 DB> or political bodies.

I agree that politics have no place in the Olympics, though it is
frequently a forum for political squabbles (boycotts, etc...).  I admit I
have not been following the Olympics closely, but *yours* is the first
openly political comment I have heard.  Our atheletes are Canadian so
naturally they are going to say how great Canada is.  If Quebec were a
separate country, *then*, and only then, would Quebec atheletes say they
were reprsenting Quebec.  
     L'equipe Canadienne *est* Canadien, meme si il contient (?) des
atheletes Quebecois.  Laisse les montrer que les Canadiens s'etend entre
eux memes assez bien pour avoir une equipe de sport unifie, si pas un pays.

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Xref: sparky can.general:3409 can.politics:5353 soc.culture.canada:5232
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Photography (was Re: Gwen Jacobs day--reflections)
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 02:35:52 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <dfs.711899355@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Jul22.222315.2318@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
>kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>
>>More power to him - I've been at the beach and seen women "rolling
>>their video cameras" at the men there. Big <yawn> deal. You go about in
>>public, others in public may take your photograph. <yawn>

>Are you sure?  I thought you needed permission to take people's
>photographs.

What the law may say (I doubt permission is needed without commercial use)
is trivial - try telling the folks at the beach with video cameras that they
have to erase any tape with your picture on it and see how far you get.

-- 
"I boiled  the soap  out  of  the  bodies of women and men.  The process of
boiling alone took several days --  from 3 to 7.   During two manufacturing
processes, in which I directly participated, more than 25 kilograms of soap
were produced." (Mazur, from "Hitler's Death Camps")
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Canadian / Air Canada
Keywords: merger, airlines
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:42:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.155406.15314@honte.uleth.ca> fengstad@alpha.uleth.ca (Grant Fengstad) writes:
>
>More and more indications point to Ottawa.  In today's Globe, the
>Federal Gov't admitted they had a lot to do with the failed
>American/Canadian alliance.  Seems that they were willing to purchase 3
>aircraft from Canadian, if and only if Canadian would begin merger talks
>with Air Canada.  The motivation:  It appears to save Quebec jobs at the
>expense of Ontario and Western Canadian jobs (please don't flame me, I'm
>only stating what I've read).  
>

Air Canada won the war...the spoils tend to go to the victors.

>I for one am tired of the Gov't getting their fingers dirty doing closet
>deals such as this.  I am speaking somewhat emotionally as this may
>directly affect my employment as well.  
>
>What do people out there think?  Is this going to save the "Airline
>Industry" in Canada or is it the beginning of a monopoly?  
>

Both airlines are internationally uncompetitive with higher operating
costs including labour than other international airlines.  A shakedown
was inevitable.

There were basically two options...two American-controlled Canadian
carriers...American of Canadian, and inevitably somebody else of
Air Canada, or one Canadian carrier perhaps able to forge an alliance
with international carriers...neither of which is very enticing.

American was basically only interested in Canadian to gain control
of its Asian routes...more jobs might have been saved temporarily,
but American would have eventually frittered away Canadian employment
anyway.

Which scenario is ultimately better all depends on the how the
resulting monopoly is regulated, what happens with open skies, etc.
etc.

(I was born and bred in Alberta).

With proper regulation of the monopoly and with an open skies
agreement, I tend to think that the better solution for Canada
is the merger of the two Canadian airlines...but which is preferable
is ultimately in the details which follow.  Sufficient competition
for the merged airline can be introduced by regulating how much
control Air Canada has of regional carriers, and by increasing
the presence of US carriers with open skies.  

Gerald



Xref: sparky can.general:3569 can.politics:5530
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: The position of E. people coming to QC (was various others)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:38:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

>>>>> On 28 Jul 92 02:30:24 GMT, steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) said:
  > X-Bytes: 2277

  > In article <1992Jul27.095941.28784@spxtech.qc.ca>, by steven@spxtech.qc.ca 
  >  I wrote :-

  > >   [... Bla bla bla ...]
  > > 
  > >   Have I understood correctly?
  > > 
  > > 
  > >   (N.B. These are not MY positions - this is a summary of some of the
  > >         comments that have been placed on this network)
  > > 

  >   Well?

You are really stuborn Steve. And you expect people to
answer your questions when you do not bother with other's questions.

--
  ,                          ,                           ,
Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | Tel: (514)340-5950
sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | Fax: (514)340-4078
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Photography (was Re: Gwen Jacobs day--reflections)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:57:43 GMT

In <dfs.711899355@ro> I wrote:

>Are you sure?  I thought you needed permission to take people's
>photographs.

Thanks to Melvin Klassen and Mart Molle for their e-mail pointing out
that this is wrong (obviously!)

However, if you want to make commercial use of the photo, you probably
need the subject's permission.

--
David F. Skoll