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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:31:09 GMT



In article <1992Nov10.144810.16541@netcom.com>
stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>In article <BxGx7J.Iyy@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
 
>>> In article <BxGLo7.BGt@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
>>> Drayton) writes:
 
>>> ]> I'd propose soc.motss.sex, but...
 
>>> ]I wouldn't be interested in that at all. 
 
>>> You would be if I got a chance to show you my glow plugs!

>>You'll have to get 'em out first.  Sometimes that ain't so easy.

>>> How many whorespower does yours have?  I love big ones!

>>Wanna trade bore & stroke measurements?

>Bore and stroke, stroke and bore -- whatever happened to the romance in
>mechanics?

Stroke, at least, relates to one of my favorite aesthetics:
crankshaft design.  I've done a few great valve jobs in my
day, too.  I just like engines, I guess, in their manifold
glories.  (Though I admit this kind of humor is exhausting.)

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: OCA launches _new_ petition drive
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:35:17 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <1992Nov5.190654.24709@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>>In <Bwyp7F.ALI@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>
>>[ ... more scary shit the OCA's pulling on Oregon ... ]
>>Let me make sure I understand -- since the OCA couldn't change the state
>>Constitution, they're just going to ignore the Federal Constitution?
>
>>Sad.  Very sad.
>
>	I think it's FANTASTIC!
>
>	I think we should all support it (not publically) 
>and encourage them.
>
>	Putting this on the ballot I think would be their death
>knell.  Then we'd be rid of them for good...
>
Don't be so sure.  This is how the Nazis came to power; no, I'm not
just be paranoid, the OCA is using a LOT of the same tactics.
And, in many cases, being just as effective.  We HAVE to fight them,
and come out to our friends and family. 
>BBC/Galileo-bear
>
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midst of untruth, Truth persists; in the midst of darkness, Light
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Michael Lax, 12514 Esplanade St., #B, Austin, TX  78727-4409
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From: clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala!melchar
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 09:27:13 PST
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

johnd@lloyd.Camex.COM (John Duesenberry) writes:

>  "Admittedly, Pat, Pat, and Jesse are embarrassments
> to the party and with the power of the vote, hopefully will fade
> away like a bad memory."Admittedly, Pat, Pat, and Jesse are embarrassments
> to the party and with the power of the vote, hopefully will fade
> away like a bad memory."
> 
> SURE. Pat "Himmler" Buchanon was allowed to spew his
> poison in front of the convention, the media, and the
> world with the full knowledge and collaboration of
> your scumbag candidate George Bush along with the
> rest of the party leadership, because they thought 
> a little race-baiting would pick up some support
> from the white-trash/trailer park sector of the
> electorate.
> 
> Unfortunately it didn't work and your party and
> candidate took the drubbing they so richly deserved.
> I hugely enjoyed watching Bush eat shit last night
> and I advise you to do the same.

....................actually, I've been in the Republican party since I 
was 18.  However, the last 8 years I've been sticking with the party to 
vote _against_ the right wing pinheads (both in the primaries & the 
general elections).

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Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Re: Lesbianville on 20/20
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 10:49:10 GMT

In article <tdober-061192191155@toberkamper.llnl.gov> tdober@llnl.gov (TDO) writes:
>
>It strikes me as inappropriate to ask men to post about topics *they think*
>are of interest to women. Women know women's interests better than men
>possibly could. It is also likely to be perceived as an imposition [. . .]
>
>I think it would be more effective if the men would simply refrain from
>sidetracking threads about topics of concern to women.

Hmm. I see the point being made here; however:

IMHO, Gender inequity, sexism, women's health, and the like are not just
"women's interests," they are matters of concern to both men and
women.

I think the problem is *not* men posting about issues related to
gender inequity, women's health, and a variety of other "women's"
issues, but a lack of sensitivity when women respond to such posts by
saying "that has not been my experience."

For men not to talk about "women's issues," or for whites not to talk
about "people of color" issues too often seems to me to be a way for
people to avoid painful confrontations about their own sexism and/or
racism. After all, if you don't bring it up, people can't call you on
it. Or so the logic goes, on an unconscious level.

Identity politics is a big and conflicting issue for me, and pushes a
lot of my buttons, so I'll stop here. 

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: ok, let me try this again
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:45:14 GMT

John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:
        [deleted]

What he said!

I use soc.motss in many of the same ways John does, and I wouldn't
like to lose any of the many aspects of the group, except for the
invasions of the 'phobes, of course. 

John's and my net.ages are similar, though our chronological ages
are quite different, and I've enjoyed watching his evolution along
with my own.  I've enjoyed this group greatly, most of all for the
opportunity to hear from a more varied bunch of people than my
daily life allows for otherwise.  I hope this will continue.

And John, don't underestimate the value of your contribution!

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:34:36 GMT

Jack Hamilton (jfh@netcom.com) wrote:
> In article <1992Nov11.220327.15209@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) 
> writes:
> >
> >P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
> >	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
> >	on gay people?  I almost fainted.  But there is no better
> >	time for him to do it than now.
> 
> Wouldn't it work better if he waits until he's sworn in?

Can't we have an end to this FOOT-DRAGGING???

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<mattm-101192131653@mcmelmon.apple.com>
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:41:47

In article <mattm-101192131653@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com
(Matthew Melmon) writes: 

   In article <1992Nov10.001511.23664@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
   Donahue) wrote:
   > 
   > kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney) writes:
   > >Allow me to introduce myself.  Though I'm not motss, I am willing to keep
   > >my mind open.
   > 
   > 	Good for you --- prepare to have it filled.

   [...]  Of all the pompous, self-righteous crap in your posts, past
   and present, this one line stands out as perhaps *the* most
   arrogant piece of crap flushed into this forum in quite some time.

I agree completely (having deleted the irrelevant insults...).
However could I have neither seen nor smelled this chunk the first
time around?

- Bob
From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why should I vote no on 9?
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:39:28 GMT

In article <44828@ogicse.ogi.edu>, markm@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
> The root cause of [increasing hate crime]?  Apparantly the bad economy
> forcing people out of work and shifting jobs away from traditional
> areas is one of the main forces.  Why?  I am not sure.

The fact is, poverty breeds crime, not just in the inner cities, but
everywhere.  And not just robbery, but also senseless violent crime.

I had a real revelatory experience while reading _Molly Ivins Can't Say
That, Can She?_.  I've always shared an attitude which I think is
common on the American left -- a casual condemnation of and lack of
understanding for "the evil fundies".  Ivins was discussing that kind
of attitude, and said basically that, while the leaders of these groups
may be vile, dishonest plutocrats, the majority of evangelical
Christians are people who are poor, getting poorer, horrified by
abortion and a world they don't understand, and scared shitless.  And
she says something like "it didn't used to be good left-wing politics
to look down on people like that."

It made me think.  I don't excuse hate, or hate crimes, any more than I
excuse inner-city violent crime.  And I still see fundamentalist
Christians, politically and ideologically, as my enemy.  But I now
think, as I think with the inner cities, that a solution to these
problems has to involve providing the people involved with a reason to
hope for the future, a reason to believe that they needn't suffer for
the sake of others' success, and a positive alternative to hate and
violence.

-- Chris 
black@sybase.com
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Letter
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:59:33 GMT
Organization: -

Odd timing but I received a copy of "Colorado Cyclist" in the mail
today.  It looks to be fairly high quality catalog of cycle clothing,
accessories and bikes.  I do spend spend a significant amount of my
disposable income on cycling paraphernalia and cycling tours. 
Fortunately "Colorado Cyclist" has included a postage paid envelope for
me to use to explain this and why I won't be purchasing anything from
their catalog or be touring in their state this year.

If you'd like to not order something too, I'm sure you can request a
catalog from their toll free number, 1-800-688-8600 or if you don't
mind paying the postage write:

	The Colorado Cyclist
	3970 E. Bijou Street
	Colorado Springs, CO 80909-9946

Be sure and send a copy of your letter to the Colorado Springs chamber
of commerce.  The address is back a few posts.

Jim

P.S. If you are in cycle club see if you can get them to send a
letter on the club letterhead to the Colorado Bureau of Tourism. 
Cycling is *big business* in Colorado.  It supports many of the ski
towns in the off season.
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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: Portland, Oregon article
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:12:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov10.151212.18272
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


There is a pretty decent article about Portland in the November issue
of 'Atlantic'.

Just wanted to share....

Bil Snodgrass III

Plus we are trying to get tons of gays and gay positive people to
move to the state in the next two years!  It work for the Rasnesshe (I
am sure I spelled that one wrong!).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lhartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lori L Hartman)
Subject: Famous Gays
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:04:38 GMT

Awhile back, someone posted a list they had compiled of "famous gay" people.  I
accidently deleted my copy.  Could someone please send me another copy.  I 
appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Lori Hartman
lhartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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Sometimes you're the windshield,
Sometimes you're the bug . . . .      Mary-Chapin Carpenter
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:30:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.155238.24972@athena.mit.edu>, Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
> 
> If the amendment were worded such that "sexual
> orientation" itself was insufficient cause for
> a discrimination suit, then these victims of
> heterophobia would have no legal recourse.  That
> would be a hoot. As we all know, that loophole
> unfortunately doesn't exist.

Well, wait a minute. The amendment says nothing whatever about
discrimination against heterosexuals. Some community *could* pass a
law specifically banning discrimination against heterosexuals, but I
suspect it would not pass constitutional muster; and in any case,
absent such a law, such discrimination would be legal at present.

That doesn't make it an advisable tactic, necessarily.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Followup-To: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:38:19 GMT

tc> Tom Christiansen

tc> Dying from AIDS, distraught over the death of a close friend, Marty Wayne
    Booker put a lot of meaning into Amendment 2.
    For him, it was more than a constitutional ban on laws protecting gays
    from discrimination.  A powerful symbol, perhaps.  An excuse, maybe.
    Whatever it was or whatever it meant to the deeply troubled 26-year-old
    Colorado Springs man, it obsessed him in the final minutes before he
    took his life.

  This is tragic, of course, but I don't see the relevance of the suicide of 
  a troubled man with what the true effects of #2 are going to be. 

  People commit suicide for all sorts of reasons, some "honorable", some not, 
  some that can be seen as "martyrdom", most not. This particular act is hard-
  ly what I would expect from an individual disappointed at the passage of #2.
  To imply, as the article does, and as the post attempts to imply, that #2
  was somehow responsible for this man's death is emotional manipulation at
  its worst. Quite frankly, I'm irritated and ashamed that his personal trag-
  edy can be so cavalierly exploited for potential political gain. Aren't 
  there better arguments available besides this one? It's cheap and tawdry,
  and hardly respectful of the man.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: accepting
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:42:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.184322.19512@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.200423.8814@psych.toronto.edu>, paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>
>>Laughing with me, making the same kinds of jokes I make with my
>>friends, good ol' Mom showed a level of comfort I had always 
>>hoped she'd one day reach.
>
>My dad's wife and I used to go down to the art show in Santa Barbara
>on sunday's and we spent most of the time pointing out cute butts, 
>especially on motorcycles.  We seem to have similar tastes.
>
>My dad isn't as comfortable as his wife is with my queerness.  

Nor is my dad on par with the above description of my mom.  And my sister
is far more accepting than are my brothers.  Having discussed this at
some length with Mom, we think it might just be that much more foreign
to my male relatives (the female ones understand being attracted to a
male), and that much harder for them to get their pea-brains around.
Fr'instance, Mom says she'd really have trouble if my (married) sister
was a lesbian.  She rejected my suggestion that Dad 'n' the boyz might
feel their own sexuality was threatened by my orientation...

-paul

-- 
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University of Toronto      416-978-3990          Toronto, Ont.  M6H 2W5
M. Mark: I can teach you to dance with no intoxication.  (yeah, right!)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:03:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov11.220327.15209
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov11.181717.19012@draco.macsch.com> Bryan J. Blumberg <bjb@macsch.com> writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.050132.4011@iisat.alt.ns.ca> ,
>crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca writes:
>>        In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Pete Williams said the navy
>> has agreed to reinstate Meinhold and will swear him back into the
>> navy on Thursday.<
>
>     The hypocracy continues since Pete Williams is the gay
>assistant secretary of defense.

No, he's just a spokesperson.  He's also a civilian.
I like the word "hypocracy", however.  It deserved to
be invented if it hadn't already.

P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
	on gay people?  I almost fainted.  But there is no better
	time for him to do it than now.  Four years from now, it
	won't be an issue.
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ugly sounds
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:17:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: -

In article <mattm-021192160729@mcmelmon.apple.com>, 
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> In article <BwwFD9.43B@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
> wrote:
> 
>> Oh please.  You are mildly annoying and transparently 
>> immature, nothing more. Contempt is reserved for the 
>> grownups who are truly evil; you are merely willfully
>> bad, like a child who smears jelly on his face at the
>> dinner table and then sticks out his tongue, waiting 
>> to get smacked.  I guess it's better than nothing.
> 
> I see your wit is almost as penetrating as Melinda's.  

Well, perhaps there is hope for you after all.  At least you realize
that Melinda and Greg give some of the best netwit.  However, I'd 
add Steve Dyer to the list.  

Of course, you're the big contender for the top of the net-nitwit
list.  At least you have some occasionally luck at being amusing in
your annoyance ... unlike some of the other net-nitwits.

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:58:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss


In article <1992Nov7.200212.2635@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

[something]

Ah, I'd been wondering when your little wand would spurt a few
spurts of fairy dust into this thread.  So strangely absent you'd
been last week, Tink.  How *are* things in Never Never Land (or
is it being boycotted, too?)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: """"The Hidden Sailor""""
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:19:37 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) wrote:
> 
>Now, I know you boys are having fun, but you've deleted the
>chunk of my message that really mattered to me, that is,
>is it a LESBIAN bar she is opening?  and if so where?

I thought about this after I replied before:  I never got your original
question.

It seems that the bar is geared toward gay men, but I'm sure lesbians
are more than welcome also.

They've been advertising an opening in the bar rags for about three
months now, but never a date.  I don't know what the hold up is.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:06:08 GMT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) wrote:
> ->try wearing a button on your backpack, or whatever you use to lug yo
> ->books around.  I have freedom rings on mine, and many of my friends
> ->pink triangles on theirs.  You don't have to switch it around, and y
> ->still identified as a queer.
>
> ... ditto for wearing a badge; if you're required to wear a badge at
> your place  of employment then decorate it: put freedom rings on the
> chain (if you wear your badge on a chain for convenience), and put a
> little pink triangle sticker on the front of the badge.  it works
> wonders, and the freedom rings are a conversation-starter.
>
my backpack, jean jacket, and winter coat are all STUDDED with buttons.
all of them have at least one blatantly gay button on them, as well as
something fairly blatantly pagan, as well as somethign properl;y
hippie-cruchy-granola as well.  now i just need some cool vegetarian
buttons...

am i a stereotypical dyke yet?

                                        -ailsa

p.s. i ahve a picture to put in the motsspix archive, but not the
address to send it to.  could some kind person (bracing myself for a
flood of mail) send me the address?

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
                                                        ________
I don't care what consequence it brings,        Silence \      / Action
I have been a fool for lesser things.              =     \    /    =
                                                 Death    \  /    Life
                                                           \/
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Our Gummint (was Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated)
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:35:40 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) wrote:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes (first quoting):
> 
> >P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
> >	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
> >	on gay people?  I almost fainted.  But there is no better
> >	time for him to do it than now.  Four years from now, it
> >	won't be an issue.
>Today's NY Times ran it front page, top right, all down the outside
>column.

As did the Miami Herald, in big bold letters the Times rarely uses.
It took up almost half the front page.

Sim, becoming optimistic.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:14:11 GMT

Re: Roseanne, does anyone know if Sandra Bernhard's movie _Without
You I'm Nothing_ is out on tape yet?  It was supposed to be released
last year, but our friendly neighborhood video parlour said release
had been delayed, no reason given.  I know it crops up on Showtime
now and again, but we get Cinemax.
--Michael
Newsgroups: soc.motss