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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A Lesson in Racism-Oprah Winfrey Show
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:09:06 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92201.002849FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I might add that there were a lot of folx who did take this exercise personal.
If they take personal they have not learned the lesson and the attempt to
teach them failed.

>We have a friend who lives next to our house. She was livid after watching the
>show the 1st time. My wife had to expalin to her that the point of the "experi-
>ment" was not to attack blue-eyed ppl, but to show how prejudiced ideas and
>bigotry are formed under stupid ideas to begin w/, and are systematically
>promoted. It took her a while to get over the "personal" hurt. There are
>still ppl who hate this lady, Jane Elliott, for even putting them in this
>experiment.

If she was hurt, she was clueless.  I don't understand how she could feel
any peronal hurt with Oprah giving the disclaimer at every break.
Folks that hate this lady for making them a part of this execise didn't
learn a thing.  If a person was in this execise and were pissed off after
for the treatment they got during the execise, they did not learn.

I'm pissed off every day how I get treated as an AfAm man in ameriKKKa.
I hate our politicians for perpetuating a system that treats anyone that
is not white as a second class citizen.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDTITATION 23
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Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:51 EDT  


I look to this day for it is life--the very Life of Life.  In its
course lie all the realities of existence.  The bliss of growth--
the glory of action--the splendor of beauty.  Yesterday is now a
dream and tomorrow is a vision.  Today well-lived makes every
yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of
hope.

Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chris "deephouse" Gray)
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:07:49 GMT

shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:

>And also don't forget to count number of half size brains who cannot
>finish a post without choice f and motherf words and those who go
>along.

Uh? What's wrong with them?  If that person wants to express themselves
that way so the fuck be it. EE:]

This is AmeriKKKa? Where you have 'freedom of speech'?

*so cynical*


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:55:05 GMT

It looks like "Aretha" goes in the kill file.

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Ethnicity
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:02:59 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <7463@public.BTR.COM> timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:

# djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
# |What makes America unique is that in most of the world, ethnic groups
# |are isolated geographically -- members of a single group live
# |together.
#
# Is this necessarily true?  While the names of various subregions
# of countries seem to imply ethnic enclaves, each such enclave
# often have a large minority population (people whose ethnicity
# matches the other regions of the country).  For example, in
# ex-Yugoslavia, there are Serbian people living in Croatia and
# Croatian people living in Serbia.  Bosnia, usually thought of
# as a Muslim area, has large numbers of Serbian and Croatian
# people living in it.  In the CIS (ex-USSR), Kazakh people are a
# minority in Kazakhstan, with Russian people being the largest
# other ethnic group there.

How about *mostly* true?

First, the boundaries of nations or even provinces don't necessarily
reflect ethnic boundaries.  For instance, if all the Croats in Serbia
live together, my point is still valid.

I will grant you, however, that especially in Europe, where every
boundary has been overrun and people have been displaced once a
generation for hundreds of years, many of the borderlands are mixed.
But by and large, there *is* still a Slovakia, a Ukraine, an Italian
part of Switzerland, etc.  In the USSR things were complicated a bit
more by forced relocations, but the mixing still isn't anywhere near
as great as it is here, I think.

Just ask yourself: If American blacks or Hispanics or Orientals
wanted to set up a separate nation, where would they do it?

David


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:39:15 GMT

slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:


>   Does anyone else out there think that racism is America can
>be curbed without violence? If so how?
>   If not why not? Please be more explicit that "whitey
>                   is about to reap what he has sown."

>Peace, but not without justice,
>zip


Thank you for asking for intelligent responses, maybe it will work for
you....

Of course you know that this is my opinion on the racism issue. 
Violence will only PERPETUATE the problem. 

First, Let me address why Violence is NOT the answer. 

There is alot of truth to what Marvin Gaye sang: "War is not the answer
because only love can conquer hate. "
Violent acts alienate the other races and perpetuate stereotypes (and
you know that stereotypes are useless and ugly).
Violent acts break down communication lines and destroy trust.
Violent acts become aimless and usually VICTIMIZE THE INNOCENT.
A good example of this is the white truck driver who was dragged
from the cab of his truck at the Los Angeles intersection and beaten
nearly to death because he was (is) white. He was NOT from a Simi 
Vallet Jury and NOT a racist person either. His beating only
perpetuated the stereotype that Black people are stupid and violent
and useless. (ugly stereotype, but the film footage made it look
that way). Also the Violent act (and all of the others against 
people because of their race especially Asians) multiplied FEAR,
which, in itself, is the PRINCIPLE CAUSE of racism.

It seems that if Violence invokes fear, and fear invokes racism, then
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was correct about the circular issue.
I think that was the approach he took in his 1967 Hypothesis.

Now let me move on with you to another solution: Solidarity.
In my educated and researched opinion, the most civil-rights and
ANTI-RACIST gains were made in the mid twentieth century.
In the period of NON-VIOLENT solidarity, Blacks especially made
the most striking gains in their economic status AND in their 
standard of living (see idexes from 1942 thru 1967 and notice the 
trend). This was a period when demonstration was done with class
and dignity, and Black people were gaining the dignity they deserved
at that point because they acted like they were responsible and
angry at injustices. Rosa Parks was NOT violent, and she has 
accomplished a HELL of alot more than Ice T. The way to win over
racism is to prove (to those who are intelligent enough to matter)
that you are not what they have been told that you are, instead
of acting foolish and being violent and perpetuating the circle.

I bet the WHITE BIGOTS want the Blacks to get violent so they
can have an excuse to believe that Blacks are inferior. (Disgusting).

Violence? Not.
Don't give the white bigots what they want. They love SILLY BIGOT
SISTAH. She fits their stereotype of a "nigger" to a T. (No pun).
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol"
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:48:45 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul26.031339.20075@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown) writes:

>Ms Carrol was an AfAM domestic.  She was verbally abused by a
>reportedly intoxicated Mr. Zantzinger at a social function
>where she was serving.  If memory serves, he struck Ms Carroll
>with a small, cheap carnival-prize cane when she did not meet
>his service requirements.  Later that evening, Ms Carrol had
>a stroke and subsequently died.  There was an effort to try
>him for murder but that didn't hold up for some reason (Mr Z
>'s familyy was rich and white - Ms Carrol's were not)

>In truth his actions were not felonious even though we might
>be able to connect her death to his behavior.


If, in fact, Ms. Carrol's death was proximately caused by Mr. Z's
hitting her, that would be a sufficient basis for finding him guilty
of murder.

  Civil damages
>would probably be the likely route for the "wrongful death"
>situtation.  Perhaps a lawyer could add here.

Civil damages would also be available, but anyone who unlawfully
causes the death of another is guilty of murder (so long as the
consequences are foreseeable, even if they aren't likely).

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Nonviolence, defense and America (Was Re: Violence, defense and Is
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:14:35 GMT

johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:


>     Your fair complexion can be inferred from one of your previous  
>postings in which you described the behavior of your father towards a  
>group of white teenage thugs who were hassling the children of the first  
>black family to move into your neighborhood. You stated that when the  
>white thugs asked your father what he thought of the fact that n******  
>were moving in, your father replied that he thought it was a good thing,  
>because they [the black family] would help clean up the neighborhood of  
>white trash. Such a conversation would not have occurred were your father  
>black, or had he married a black woman. In addition, if your family were  
>black, then the family that was being hassled by the white thugs would not  
>have been the first black family in your neighborhood.

>Arthur Johnson


You are most correct sir! 
But I honestly do not consider myself white. I wonder why that is?
I also appreciate the fact that you have read the things that I say
and considered them deeply enough to hypothesize on them, instead
of jumping without thinking. Thank you for making my day......
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:56:22 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul28.200246.26194@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.155327.17632@seq.uncwil.edu>
>frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>>Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
>>and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
>>WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
>>in this world for Black people to live.
>
>You are butt naked in the middle of a blizzard. In front of you are two holes
>for you to jump into.
>
>One contains cold horse shit.
>
>One contains warm horse shit.
>
>Choose.
>

Heh. I like this. I'm gonna have to remember it.


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:11:13 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How to Keep Kids off Drugs?

Angela Williams from Carnegie Mellon does make some more interesting points
in her article. The problem of drug use/selling and keeping kids clean from
drug "culture" is not an easy problem to solve. I agree w/ the points she
made, in addition to ones already brought out on this thread.

The point of how to solve this problem is: there is no simple answer. Many
believe in simple cause-and-effect approach. Some do not. The result of
drug addiction which results from it's use is this: citizens become ineffective
members of society. Compounding that w/ poor education and employment, makes
the problem worse.

                                *
                                * "No performer wants in any of the arts wants
Fred Rozenblad-"Kickin' the 3"  *  to go backwards; few are content to stand
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu               *  still; many are eager to move ahead."
                                *
                                *                      -McCoy Tyner
                                *                     "Tender Moments"
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
Date: 27 Jul 1992 02:21:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul26.173444.19928@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
("None of ya Bizness") writes:
}In article <1992Jul26.164120.29603@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu
(Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
}$And also don't forget to count number of half size brains who cannot
}$finish a post without choice f and motherf words and those who go
}$along.
}
}Oh yeah, I just love CHOICE Fs and MOTHERFs who chime in three weeks after
}the thread is over.

BTW, I heard that there'll never be a black version of the McLaughlin Group
because you can't say "motherfucker" on TV. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:27:29 GMT

barnhart@igc.org (Aaron Barnhart) writes:


>Beats me, Michael, but I don'
>t like it either.  (I don't like this editor either.)

>Looks like the clever-boys-without-any-real-opinions club from
>this thread.  I hereby withdraw any criticism of snot-nosed white
>college boys who like to beat up on the other boys, specially the
>*colored* boys, for whatever offense they can think of, even
>spelling errors.  

>There, is that better?

>Sorry I wasn't timelier.  I usually read and post news from a (cheap)
>off-Internet account because I don't have no UNC Wilmington payin my
>hookup fees.

>Aaron (Barnhart@igc.org and @gagme.chi.il.us)
>Evanston, Ill.



Your ignorance shines like the Borealis. I was beating up on his
spelling, not his person. He was attacking me "...BLATENT MORON" I 
believe was the (s)word and I was laughing  at the fact that he
was calling me names and misspelling the names! HAAAAHahahahahaa.
And to top it off, he did not address any of my points.
It's kinda like shooting somebody with a broken water pistol.
Which is what you seem to have a hobby of doing as well. Lets see you
argue some of the points that I have made (so I can make fun of
your spelling too HEE hee hee :)  )....... (Blah Blah Blah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDITATION 20
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Date: 24 Jul 1992 08:26 EDT  

This is the day!  The day which great good can come to me.  I expect it.  I
accept it.  I give thanks for it.  I know that all my loved ones are led,
cared for, and sustained by the same infinite, creative mind.  They are
guided, sustained and protected by the power and the wisdom of the infinite
Life which surrounds them.  They are guided, sustained and protected because
the love of infinite Life is devoted to them.  Today no one or no thing can
hurt them or me.  As I go forth to meet my day, I am protected from all harm
because I know neither fear, hatred nor resentment.

Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:36:53 GMT

mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

 Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
 and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
 WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
 in this world for Black people to live. Also I defy you to say how
 YOU would have shown "concern about us.." and no whiny bullshit, I
 want specifics. Since you seem to be able to criticize, then lets
 hear what you would have done about this.



>Ah .. let's see, the Caribbean possibly?  Life is much more than a collection
>of material possessions, it's about having dignity and worth also.

>McBean


Thanks for the philosophy lesson, McBEANHEAD, but I don't remember
mentioning that the criteria for "BEST PLACE TO LIVE" consisted
of merely monetary things. Reread Please....(It's write above you).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.china
From: gavan@UCT_elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: The Death of the Political Left (Marxist-Leninist warfare)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:58:45 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
: In article <143nehINN6d3@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:

: <Basically political minorities are to be used by the left as fuel 
: <for igniting revolutionary civil wars, then supressed once the left 
: <has gained political power.
: 
: Please tell me where "Marxist-Leninist revolutionary doctrine" says anything
: about suppression (note spelling) of "political minorities".  One or two
: citations from Marx and Lenin will suffice.

Oh dear, as if this wasn't well known. Read Walker Connor's study (1984)
called something like "Marxism and the Nationalist Question". One of Lenin's
most effective tactics was to exploit minority agitation (eg Poles in Russia)
for Bolshevik ends. Of course this oppurtunism can only work to the gain
of the Bolsheviks and the loss of the minorities, as their interests are
always paramount. Small coincidence that Lenin wasted no time in suppressing
them in practice, after the "revolution".

I hear they're looking for a place to put his embalmed corpse. Perhaps you
might take him down in New Haven? Shades of "Remembrance".

: -- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.223552.29432@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>
>Makes some kind of sense.  The problem is, why should we just focus
>on activism in one era, and economics in another?

	The one problem is that it takes money to make money.
	(poor white trash like me can attest to that sad fact :-)


>I think we are wasting time here.  Why can't we seriously do both?
>Didn't El Hajj Malik say, "By any means necessary?"

	Yes, yes, yes!

	-----------------------------------------------------
	WITHOUT
	-----------------------------------------------------
	major investment in economic-development,
	building and new-business-startup capital
	flowing into our inner-city communities
	-----------------------------------------------------
	AND
	-----------------------------------------------------
	vigorous application of anti-discrimination laws
	ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS (to paraphraes Clarence Thomas)
	-----------------------------------------------------
	THEN
	-----------------------------------------------------
	the legacy of Slavery and Jim Crow will not be overcome.
	-----------------------------------------------------

	But it takes political clout to accomplish this.

							Gerard


-- 

                Mai, y'all hab'en lisd'nen ta d'voice ah

                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Re: Clinton's support by Blacks... low.
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:41:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul14.180914.10361@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <92196.045717FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>,
>FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>>Comments?  Yeah.  I find it very tough to decide who to vote for or
>whether to  vote at all.  I'm not voting for Pres.  Bush for sure.
>And I'm not too hot on Bill Clinton either.  That leaves Ross Perot
>which also not to thrilled about.
>.
>.
>What have black folks always have had to choose: the lesser of two
>evils. When all else fails, write in your vote if you can.

You have a choice.  Check out Ron Daniels campaign.

ChrisWa.
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