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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Texan self-mockery
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology

From Molly Ivins MOLLY IVINS CAN'T SAY THAT, CAN SHE?, p 50:

	Texas is going broke in style. We make jokes all
	the way to the bankruptcy court and keep making
	them while we're standing in line to file. Since
	we know no one is going to feel sorry for us, we
	figure we might as well laugh.

	Wanna know how to get an oilman down out of the
	tree? Cut the rope.

So, Mitchell, you want to tell us what's wrong with these bankrupt
Texans?  They don't have big noses.  Perhaps it's their big rear ends?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:44:38 GMT

In <1992Dec20.185049.20954@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel) writes:

    Is it something inherent in this medium, or are many of those who post here
    sarcasm-impaired?  What ever became of the good sense of humor we Jews are
    supposed to have?

We gave it up for Lent.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein)
Subject: Other religions-was Excerpts From a Reader's Letter-to-the-Editor
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:29:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.021314.3746@unixland.natick.ma.us> sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) writes:
>
>Frankly, I would rather that both the media and my non-Jewish acquaintances
>would pay more attention to the very important Jewish holidays, such
>as Passover and the High Holy Days -- than put all this emphasis on
>Hannukah because it happens to fall near Christmas and thus qualifies
>for some kind of "equal-time" provision. 

I agree. I try to keep an eye out for the major holidays of my friends'
religions, but it's tought to do if they're not Christian. I have a
suggestion, therefore: if anybody on s.c.j. is aware of an important holiday for
another religion, they ought to post something here when that holiday
comes around, telling us when it starts, a bit about the significance
of the holiday, and perhaps an appropriate greeting.

I realize that s.c.j. is not the ideal place for such a thing, but
supporting our fellow humans is a big part of Judaism. Also, if we make
a point of keeping up with other folks' traditions, perhaps it will
encourage other folks' to keep up with ours.

Any comments?  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: Re: Conversations with a Rabbi
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:45:20 GMT

>In article <6613@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes:
>>:khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:

Just one simple question Xris: Are you a xtian?


Thanks,
Dima

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
  dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:47:45 GMT

In article <BzxrCA.DKF@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:

# In article <1992Dec27.173957.4658@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:

# >In article <1992Dec27.043847.11391@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

# >Reading you posts, it seems to me that you regard all Arabs
# >as automatically guilty, period. If there are many people in
# >Israel who think like you, there is zero chance of peace.

# It does not matter what they think, what matters is what they think they
# can do and get away with it. This applies for most countries.

	What are you  talkin about?  It is statements like that that shows
it is the Arab terrorists who are getting away with everything.  The
rest of the world supports the terrorists.

# As a side note,
# Palestinians are guilty of existing within the borders of the promised land.

	That is not something for them to be guilty of.  If they behave
themselves (this goes for anyone, Jews included) they are more than
welcome.

# Zionism  implies that Palestinian Arabs are guilty of competing for
# the land that is given to Jews, and that the Jews would be better off
# if they did not exist.

	Nope.  You do not have any idea as to what Zionism is.

# Mackowsky  Kahane and about 20% of Israelis say it explicitly, the rest of
# the Israelis do not say it but it is implied from all their statements.

	I cannot speak for the others you mention, but I can speak for
myself and I am sure the others would agree.  The above is a bold
faced LIE!!!!!

# If you support the law of return for Jews only, then you must see the
# Arabs as an obstacle.

	The law of return, while it does discriminate in favor of Jews,
does not imply that others are an obstacle.  It is their to insure
Israel as the refuge for Jews.

# Zionism is not racism, but to implement it, you have to engage in genocide.

	This is also a lie.

# So far, Zionism remains an incomplete project.

	Agreed, but for totally different reasons.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:05:25 GMT

In article <92365.102141LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
|> In article <1992Dec30.162904.7304@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, er@iscp.Bellcore.COM
|> (Elie Rosenfeld) says:
|> >
|> >In article <EGGERTJ.92Dec30110435@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>,
|> >eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
|> >|> you use guilt by association to condemn the Arab doctors.
|>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >Belonging to Hamas is enough.  Would you refuse to condemn an American who
|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >is a member of the KKK, but claims that he "doesn't agree with everything
|> Nice to see that McCarthyism is still alive--NOT!  In the U.S. system of

You didn't read carefully.  You claimed that it is unfair to "condemn" - not
even punish, just *condemn* - people for being members of Hamas.  I countered
that since Hamas at least as evil in its goals as the KKK, that your statement
wasn't sensible.  I ask you again, would you refuse to *condemn* a KKK member
for having joined such a group?

*Punishments* for Hamas members - e.g., the deportations - are a separate issue 
which I wasn't discussing.
-- 
Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made
Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
(908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: jews for germany
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:00:36 GMT


Any prospective members of this new designer cult?

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:00:48 GMT

In article <9212221543.AA15653@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
>
>	I know a few athiests; they would refuse to accept a deity *even
>in the face of incontrivertable proof* of that deity's existance.
>That's what defines atheism, and why atheism is a faith as much as any
>other. 
>

I, as an atheist, have to disagree with this.
Atheist do not believe that there is a god. But, there is no way to "face
incontrivertable proof" that there is a god. So, there is no way you can say
what an atheist would do in an impossible situation.
I would agree that atheist have no way to prove that there is no god in
the same way that religious people cannot prove that there is one.
However, atheism is not a faith as much as any other. 
Faith is when you believe that there is something you have to believe in. 
Atheism is not a faith.
This is the same as:
A says that he believes that you can become a table.
B says that he does not believe that you can become a table.
So, there is no way to generate a proof for that and B will never be face
with a proof for him to reject.
B's not believing is not a different faith, but A's is a faith


AAP
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The Cincinnati KKK Cross
Date: 23 Dec 1992 20:32:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


According to the local paper here in Cleveland, after the third time someone
knocked down the kkk's cross, and was arrested, the cops left and the
cross was knocked down again, and broken into splinters.
From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Urgent Appeal-Jerusalem Rabbi Mistakenly Arrested!
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:33:11 GMT
	<9212221615.AA15673@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil's message of 22 Dec 92 16:15:27 GMT

In article <9212221615.AA15673@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
>
> On 22 Dec 1992 02:59:53 GMT, schuman@eacces.wpd.sgi.com (Aaron Schuman) said:
>
> Daniel> A well respected Rabbi from Jerusalem has 
> Daniel> been arrested along with his brother recently 
> Daniel> in California. Because the charges are 
> Daniel> ridiculous...
>
> A> The defendants may be innocent, but the charges aren't ridiculous.
>
> A> When they were apprehended, the trunk of their car contained a
> A> knife, plastic handcuffs, a floor plan of their alleged victim's
> A> house showing the location of a shotgun, and other items that
> A> cast strong suspicion.
>
>  The floor plan was given them by the daughter of the "victim"
> who knows both of them and gave them the key and permission to use the
> house since the "victim" was away.  It's called "hospitality;" I know
> that's not something you run into in California a lot, but hey, they're
> from Israel.  ;)

I really have no interest in this one way or another, but when was the
last time you extended hospitality to people by giving them the floor
plan to your house?  Or better yet, by sending them to the house of
someone else with the floor plan for that house?  Without the owners
knowledge? 

Sounds pretty fishy.

>  They're being help without bail because the police involved
> think that they've arrested a Mossad hit squad.  One of the rabbis was
> carrying a business card (in Hebrew).  On the card was a word they got
> translated-- "mossad."  Mossad means group, and if they had bothered to
> translate the rest of the card, they would have discovered that it was
> referring to the local (Israeli) soccer team the rabbi is involved with.
> Even so, doesn't it seem strange that a Mossad hit-man would carry a
> business card to that effect?

Do you really believe this?  If someone could read and translate
'mossad', they could read and translate the whole thing.

According to a report in the LA Times, the brothers were detained in the
Palo Alto area on suspicion of shoplifting.  A subsequent search of
their car revealed weapons, handcuffs, and a key and floor plans for
some people's house.
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI                                                TV made me do it!
arens@isi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bobwest@code3 (Bob Westover)
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
Organization: 3M HIS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:30:59 GMT

In article <9212281716.AA18822@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern) writes:
>
>> Jewish pop stars?
>> 
>> How About:

Carly Simon

BTW: Irving Berlin, aka Israel Baline, was one of my favorite composers,
writing, among others, "Alexander's Ragtime Band", "G-d Bless America",
and an old favorite from the 20's, "All Alone".

BTW2: In addition to Jan Peerce, whom I was privileged to hear in a
concert back in the 60's, there was another Jewish operatic tenor named
Joseph Schmidt, from Switzerland I believe. He was very popular (1930's)
throughout Europe, and starred in a few motion pictures, one being 
"Ein Lied geht um die Welt" (A Song goes around the World). I saw it in
the early 60's, and enjoyed the quality of his voice, but was saddened to
learn that as a consequence of Nazi incarceration, he became ill and died
shortly after WW II.
I have a number of his songs on records and tapes, and still enjoy 
listening to them. In fact, as I was driving to work today, the cassette
I had in my car was playing "Heut' ist der schoenste Tag in meinem Leben".
(Translation:  "Today is the most beautiful day of my life").

THIS is my idea of "Social.culture.jewish"! I love it! Maybe it's because
music is such a powerful motivator. Indeed it is, both for good and ill.

--- Bob Westover

-- 
 There was a young man from Dwight ....... |        bobwest@code3.code3.com
 Who traveled faster than light; ......... | Gluecklichkeit ist Recht haben!  
 Taking a trip one day, in a relative way, |      Freiheit ist Rechte haben! 
 He arrived the previous night! .......... | Legalize Updoc!!!         ...bw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: Hannuka as a minor holiday
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:37:35 GMT





>I guess it depends how your define "minor." Malcom X said that if you're
>not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. The anti-Hellenists
>said whoever is with God, come with us.  Any attempt to call this statement
>minor seems to be to undermine the Macabbean struggle against Greek domination
>and assimilation. 

>Michelle
>mgross@nosc.mil



I believe the reason it's considered a "minor" holiday is NOT because it's
not  "important", but because it's not mentioned in the Torah.

--
       No nation can survive without pride in its traditions.
       Marlene J. Miller   aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:42:08 GMT

In <1992Dec21.195313.21867@epas.toronto.edu> nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher) writes:


>"Nice to hear that your god had a boy" usually works for me.

>The Easter concomittant is less tasteful:

>"Sorry to hear your god is dead." on Good Friday, and "Glad to hear
>your god isn't dead anymore" on Easter Sunday.

>WARNING:  Use these only with good friends.

One small problem. I would never wish my Jewish friends a MC or (yeek!
what do we wish at Easter?, guess I'm a slightly lapsed christian)

Do you really have good friends who are not aware?

just my 0.02 sheckel.

Shalom
Bob.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:41:02 GMT

I believe that I understand David Makowsky to mean that there is
nothing wrong with Binyamin Kahane saying

    "As far as I'm concerned, kill any Arab who stands in our way, in the
    most humane manner possible, causing the least suffering."

in light of his emotions, which are due to his father's murder.

I disagree.  I understand why he feels that way, but I insist that he
has a responsibility to either control himself or to seek counselling.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Israel must return the deportees!
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:09:56 GMT

In article <531@owl.ukc.ac.uk> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:

# During the last seven days  12  palestinians  have  been  shot  dead  by
# Israeli  forces in Gaza and the West Bank.  This includes a ten year old
# girl, Rana Abu Tyour, shot while she went to get milk in a curfew break.
# She  bled  to  death  in  an  alley,  while  Israeli  soldiers with guns
# prevented anyone from going to help her.

	The actions which brought this about were the violent
animimalistic behavior of some of her brothers.  It was proper the
troops be there.  Her murder is on her own people's shoulders, and her
parents should be investigated for child abuse.

# Can people not see that the violence of Hamas and similar  organisations
# is the natural reaction of the Palestinians to the misery of their lives
# under Israeli occupation?

	You have the cause and effect reversed.  The Israelis are there
because of war and terrorism brought on them by the Arabs.  And if all
the Arabs behaved, they would not have this misery.

# Not a shred of evidence has been presented in open court  that  the  415
# deportees  are  guilty of anything - not even of being members of Hamas.

	They *_admit_* they were members of Hamas.  The few that are not
will probably be let back in, although they should all be deported
unless they agree not to be a threat.

# The deportations are a crude reprisal, of the  same  type  as  when  the
# Germans  deported whole French villages in response to each killing of a
# German soldier by the resistance.

	Oh really.  Even if we accept your sick diatribe (and we should
not), since when is killing a whole village the same as deporting a
small subset?  Am I missing something?

# This type of collective punishment is
# completely illegal,

	That is absolutely NOT true.

# and profoundly repulsive to international opinion.
 
	Well, better a world that hates an aliveand thriving Israel than
one that loves a dead Israel.

# The deportations will simply fuel further violence.

	Perhaps.  But a significant increase in deportations will result
in less violence in the long term.

# I can tell  you  my
# reaction  to the deportations - I wanted to go out and punch the nearest
# Israeli.  And I am a Jew.

	You hate yourself.  So what?

# What effect do you think it will have on  the
# Palestinians?

	Hopefully it will serve as a deterrent.  Unfortunately not enough
were deported to have that effect.

# Israel has to be told that the deportations are absolutely unacceptable,
# and must be reversed.

	You can tell Israel whatever you want.  Israel, which must live
with the consequences KNOWS what they must do.

	Mr Turner signs:

# (A British Jew who does NOT support Israel)

	To which I reply:

David Makowsky (An American Jew who does NOT brown nose anti-semites)
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: CHANUKKAH GREETINGS <- WARSAW
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:44:16
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:56:52 GMT

On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:56:52 GMT, saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) said:

> Is this some kind of prank to perpetuate the stereotype of the stupidity
> of people from Poland?  

I don't think this is a prank, rather a flakey mail distribution. If you look
at his address "@searn.sunet.se:SHELOMOH@PLEARN.BITNET", you see we have a
swedish site repeating a bitnet site, or something like that. Given the
different bases involved, I'm more inclined to write this off to a flakey
mailer somewhere down the line.

Daniel
--
[W]:The Aerospace Corp. M1/055 * POB 92957 * LA, CA 90009-2957 * 310/336-8228
[Email]:faigin@aerospace.aero.org              [Vmail]:310/336-5454 Box#13149
		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:30:36 GMT

In article <92363.101914CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>In article <217@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP>, ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
>says:
>>
>>There is also
>>
>>Cats (spell) Stevens who later became Mohamed Yosuf. (He converted to Islam)
>Sorry, the alleged Jewishness of Cat Stevens is a Jewish Urban Legend, based
>on the theory that Cat Stevens must originally have been Steven Katz. But
>in fact he is the child of Greek immigrants to the UK and his original
>name was not Steven Katz and he was raised Greek Orthodox, and was never
>a Jew. His new name is Yusef Islam, not Mohamed Yosuf.
>
>Rabbi Charles Arian
>CARIAN@american.edu


Thanks.

What a relief.
-- 
Michael Feld                  | E-mail: <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy           | FAX: (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba        | Voice: (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann)
Subject: Re: Solomon Perel
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:42:07 GMT

levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:

>I recently saw the very good movie, "Europa, Europa." This movie
>is based on the wartime experiences of Solomon Perel, a young German
>Jew who pretended to be German and a member of the Hitler Youth.

>My question is: His experiences, while they made a great movie,
>seemed too implausible to be true. Were they verified?

It depends what you mean by verified.  An article in the NY Times said
that *he* said that most of the movie is true, although not all.  For 
example, the scene at the end, in which his brother identifies him just as
he is about to be shot, was made up.  But he says that the scene in which
the teacher presents him to the class as a fine example of Aryan masculinity
is true, and that after the war he found the teacher and said to him, "You 
know, I'm Jewish!"
--
Jordan Mann at NYU      (mannj@cims.nyu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:36:36 GMT

In <199212240230.AA23799@yfn.ysu.edu> aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller) writes:
>Uh-huh... she is... and so is Neil Diamond,

And so is Mickey Hart.  Oops, saw Neil's name and I thought this was
rec.music.gdead, sorry. 

"Moses stood up a full cubits ten"
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
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