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Subject: Issac Newton (was BOOK: Brian Willson...)
From: schar@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:01:28 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas - Space Station Division, Huntington Beach CA
Nntp-Posting-User: makepeace

>         On September 1, 1987 Brian Willson sat down on the 
> railroad tracks at California's Concord Naval Weapons Station as 
> part of a nonviolent peace action campaign.  200,000 pounds of a 
> munitions train ran him over, as trainmen followed orders not to 
> stop. 

Although Issac Newton is a dead white male, he still managed to discover a
little thing called momentum, equal to mass times velocity.  It takes fifty
feet to stop your car, which may weigh anywhere from 2000 to 4000 pounds.  A
train that weighs a hundred times more than that is going to take somewhat
longer than fifty feet to stop.  It stands to reason that casting oneself onto
the tracks within a few hundred feet of an oncoming train is going to end up
causing severe personal damage to one's body.  
               
-- 
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McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company, Huntington Beach, CA
Disclaimer:  Any opinions here are mine, not my employer's.  Any facts are in
the public domain.
____________________________
Andre Marrou & Nancy Lord: Vote Libertarian for President & VP in 1992! 

Getting the Power Back to You: Richard Boddie & June Genis--U.S. Senate--CA
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
From: pdl2r@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Peter D. Lauren)
Subject: Re: "Family Values" -- Clinton Continues to Miss Opportunity
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:49:04 GMT

In article <16854C20E.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
> 
>Yeah, we need a government administered health care system so we can
>be as healthy as the British, and as well looked after as those cared for
>by the Veterans Administration. Just what we need; a plan to institutionalize

The implications of this submission have been refuted time and again on this
network.  People should take the time to read such refutations and address
the issues raised instead of just spouting off this sort of dogmatic drivel.

Peter Lauren.


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From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:21:06 GMT

Jeff Dauber writes
> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> >Related - other activists are calling for everyone to burn down LA
> >again if the attackers of Reginald Denny are convicted, calling Denny's
> >blood the justified reaction to oppression.
> >
> >Anybody out there agree with these nutcases?
> 
> I tend to think that this is a far more emotional issue than
> People's Park. This will not be activists rioting, it
> will be the disenfranchised rioting. I am not in a
> position to judge their rage.  

But you do feel in a position to judge the rage of a group of LA cops who beat  
up a 'motorist' ? Or the rage of a group of klansmen buring down the house of a  
black family ?

	Carl Edman
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From: jmw@angelo.amd.com (jmw)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,ca.politics,alt.censorship
Subject: Neil Bush and our "Free" "Independent" press
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:49:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA


From page *A10* of the SF Chronicle, for Thurs., 3 Aug
(reproduced without permission, but then "ten pages from the front" 
probably means that they consider the issue relatively unimportant):

	NEIL BUSH INVESTIGATION DEADLINE PASSES 

	Washington -- The Justice Department has let a 15-day 
	deadline pass without filing a formal notice of a 
	preliminary investigation of Neil Bush's role in a Colorado
	banking scandal, according to an order entered by a 
	federal court.

	The three-judge court, which is responsible for the 
	appointment of independent counsels, issued the order
	in response to a request by Frank Mandanici, a New Haven,
	Conn., attorney.

	Mandanici asked Attorney General William Barr in July for an 
	independent counsel investigation of possible crimes by 
	the president's son in the collapse of the Silverado Savings
	and Loan in Denver.

	The law gives the attorney general 15 days after receiving 
	such a request to decide whether the facts warrant a 
	preliminary investigation to see whether an independent
	counsel should be named.   

	The attorney general is required to promptly notify the
	court of the commencement of any preliminary investigation.

	The three-judge panel, headed by Judge George E. McKinnon of
	the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, said in an order 
	dated August 24 that it had received no filings on the 
	matter. 

--
J. M. Wincn                           jmw@angelo.amd.com (408) YUP-BEER 
               Standard DISCLAIMER available on request. 
Be wary of a man who would orchestrate a war simply to secure his hold 
on a public office. 
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:23:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.100930.2035@iti.org>
aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

>
>In article <1992Aug30.233852.3614@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.eduwrites:
>
>>As long as the phrase contains "by the criteria the Bush people use",
>>the claim of 327 is truthful.
>
>No it is not. According to the Congressional Research Service the
>number for Bush (using the same criteria) is 78, not the 327
>claimed by Clinton.
>
>>The Bush people aren't even pretending to be honest.
>
>As opposed to Clinton who lies while pretending to be honest?

     Honesty does not win elections.  People want big, warm, fuzzy, cuddly
lies to hug and pretend that all the bad things in the world will go away
if they only vote for {Insert Politician's Name Here}.

     In this way, Clinton is no different from Bush is no different from
every other major party Presidential candidate this half-century.

     People *don't* vote for politicians who either a)have raised taxes, or
b) *say* they are going to raise taxes.

     That's why George Bush is attacking Clinton on his tax raising record,
that's why Clinton is responding so quickly (one thing you gotte give the
boy is he's got a good learning curve.  Dukakis smacked the Democrats out
of being whipping boys) and why he is saying he'll only raise taxes on
the rich.

     Nobody *ever* proclaims they are going to raise taxes on the largest
voting blocks, no matter how necessary they *know* it is going to be to
do what they are promising.

========================================================================
| David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu                                  |
|             University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education |
========================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:48:26 GMT

<SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>No, not at all.  Like the Bush Bozo that you probably are, you have missed
>the point entirely. 

Everyone knows that once a poster starts to resort to personal
attacks, you've won your argument.

MD
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Adopt a BBS
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 07:38:15 GMT


I think this is a fine idea. I would suggest a possible enhancement.
Many BBS's have a "text file"section in their download area. Sometimes,
a mtopically oriented board will have a variety of text-oriented file
areas on different subjects. I would suggest uploading a selection of
the best article length posts which appear here, into a text file area
on a receptive board, so the info will be accessible on a more permanent
basis. I did this with some of the early JFK material from alt.conspiracy,
and it seemed to be well received.
-Steve
<oops> my third line should begin "... a topically oriented board ..."
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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:56:15 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB


Change in federal funding for mass transit 
        from 1981 to 1989:                      -50% <=========== 


Reduction in Department of Energy budget for 
        renewable energy between 1981 and 1989: 90%  <========== 

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
cost to build a mile of urban highway:          $100 million; 
cost to build a mile of light rail mass transit:$ 15 million; 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
[Excerpted from "Blood is Thicker than Oil;" 
 From: These Times, Sept. 19-25, 1990] 


                       ======================= 
                       T h e   G u l f   W a r 
                       ======================= 

"Prior to the Gulf crisis, the U.S. imported 290 million barrels of 
oil a year from Iraq and Kuwait. Raising auto-efficiency standards by 
a measly 2.75 mpg, says the Silocon Valley Toxics Coalition, could save 
the U.S. the same 290 million barrels...." 

Source: In These Times, Dec. 12-18, 1990, page 6. 

****************************************************************** 
NOTE: In Bruce Shapiro's book _We're Number One_ there is another 
incredible chart showing oil dependence in the 19 industrial nations 
over the last couple of years -- the change over the years ranges from 
something like -60% to +2% for all the countries except for the U.S. 
which is, as I recall, some 4 times higher than the highest. 

_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New  
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro, $10 paperback. 
New York, May 1992, Vintage Books, a division of Random House. 
****************************************************************** 

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:41 PDT
Subject: Somalia food news
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500321:000:2135
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 28 10:41:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalia food news

/* Written  5:39 am  Aug 28, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:reg.africa */
/* ---------- "Somalia food news" ---------- */
Morning Edition, National Public Radio, reports this morning that the
145,000 tons of food ordered by President Bush to go to Somalia will
not reach that country until December.

Thus this food cannot count as part of that needed to keep millions of
Somalians from starving by Christmas.

Some additional food is being flown in by the World Food Program.  I
believe the amount is 5000 tons.

I spoke yesterday with a representative of the International Committee
for the Red Cross, Ann Stingle.  She said the need now is 60,000 tons of food
a month.  The current supply is 20,000 tons a month, and US additional
aid is expected to add something to that, but how much is not sure.

I also am uncertain as to the source and amount of food that starts to
go into Somalia today on US planes--four flights will carry 9 1/2 tons of
beans, rice, and cooking oil.  whether this is additional food or exiting
existing supplies that can be moved into Somalia on Pentagon planes is
unclear.

In addition, the commander of the US military personnel there says that in view
of the fact that his soldiers are to be unarmed at Somali request, he will
pull out if a single soldier is killed.  This seems totally reasonable to
me, but it opens up another pitfall for somalian aid.

I think we need to keep trying to find out the real facts, so that if
the whole thing rolls back down hill (for example, if public attentio
turns away, and governments just stop shipping additional food) we
can publicize these facts.  The old hamburger commercial used to ask
"Where's the beef?"  I think that in the case of somalia, we should
keep asking, "Where's the food?'

It seems to me that we can consider this problem solved not when governments
announce what they are going to do, but when relief agencies in Somalia say,
"We are finally getting an adequate flow of food and we are confident it
will continue."

There are high hopes for the present initiative, but concerns remain.
Dorothy

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From: diviney@milton.u.washington.edu (Pat Diviney)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:59:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Seems to be a lot of quibbling over a number.  This, to me, seems as 
meaningless (the number that Bush specified, that is) as another number
tossed off by a politician of an earlier era and I quote: "I have here in my
hand a list of 205 that were known to the Secretary of State as being 
members of the Communist Party."  

That quote was from Senator Joe McCarthy and was taken from "The Glory and
the Dream - A Narrative History of America 1932-1972" by William Manchester,
copyright 1973 by Little, Brown and Company; P. 639
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: BUSH Administration Hushes Auto Efficiency Studies
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 20:05:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Thus spake hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor): 

>>>The Sierra Club says that...
>
>
>>	This has to be one of the worst researched, worst thought out,
>>	and worst argued things I've seen this year.
>
>No doubt. Actually, I quit reading it after I saw ``The Sierra Club Says...''.
>Nothing turns me off to an idea (unfortunately, even if it is an 
>important one) quicker than seeing it associated with a bunch of extremists.
>

	Gee, that must mean you won't read anything that originates with the
Republicans!

	I would never have guessed that you were a Clinton supporter!


-- 
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    adamsr@irie.ais.org \ /|\ /  We're both just one too many mornings,   
   adamsr@norwich.bitnet  \|/  And a thousand miles behind. (c Bob Dylan)
From: t9114292@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: militarism
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:31:13 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Can anyone explain to me what the word "militarism" mean, please?

Thanks!

Karin
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.society.revolution
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:09:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <24444@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill) writes:
>In talk.politics.misc, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>>>cost to build a mile of urban highway:          $100 million;
>>>cost to build a mile of light rail mass transit:$ 15 million;
>>Oh yeah?  And how much to purchase the right-of-way??  And the cost of
>>running the railroad?  Etc.
>
>right-of-way must also be purchased for the highway.  Think about
>how much the average person spends on gas, tires, oil, maintenance,
>initial purchase, insurance, and parking.  Just in terms of aesthics,
>it seems ridicules that a 150 pound person should drag 3000 pounds
>of metal to work and back, everyday.
  
  But clearly the choice of "urban" above slants the results. 
  The advantage of highways is greatest in areas of lower pop-
  ulation density; indeed it's unclear that in a typical suburb
  with 1.5 acre zoning that public transit is any kind of a viable
  option for commuting within the suburb or to adjacent ones.

  And in true urban environments people aren't building highways
  except to pass through the urban area or between non-urban areas
  (e.g., I-93 in Boston) or to connect the urban area to non-urban
  areas, so it's kind of a moot issue. 

  Anyway, the above costs of a car must still be borne by anyone 
  who ever expects to leave the urban environment on a regular basis.
  That is if I lived in Boston or New York (if I ever choose to do
  either of these please kill me and put me out of my misery) I 
  would still need to invest in a car to go beyond these areas with
  any reasonable convenience.   Which means that it's not an either-
  or proposition.

  What this really illustrates is that urban setting force people
  into unacceptable choices.  In the past there was no way to have the
  "critical mass" of people needed to generate ideas, commerce, and
  industry except in urban settings.  Today modern technology makes 
  cities an anachronism, and cities are rapidly degenerating into 
  hell-holes of crime, pollution, perversity, drugs, and other
  problems.    


---peter

 

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:43:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.114403.11542@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:
>
>>So, is nuclear power generators a "renewable energy" source?
>
>Certainly more "renewable" than oil, coal, or natural gas, wouldn't you
>agree?
>
No, I do not.  Actually there isn't as much energy in the known
reserves of Uranium as you may think unless we go to a full breeder 
nuclear program.  Even then the energy content is finite.  As far as
fusion goes, the people that I know at the Plasma Physics Laboratory
tell me that economically feasible fusion energy seems to permanently be
50 years into the future (as in ten years from now it will still be 50
years into the future).

Paul.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:10:57 EST
 <1992Sep1.084241.3837@desire.wright.edu> <Btxw27.E0K@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: skip

In article <Btxw27.E0K@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, ccx018@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Leslie Griffiths (Griff)) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.084241.3837@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>
>>	I don't care *who* is doing the attacking, 100lb women or little green
>>men, if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself.
>>
> 
> I'm not sure about the self-defence laws in the US, but I seem to recall some-
> thing about 'reasonable force'. If (as was not the case here) you were attacked
> by someone unarmed and posing little threat otherwise and you blew them away to
> avoid the possibility of a few bruises, then you'd deserve to be locked up.

	Yep.  But unarmed and drunk/drugged/crazy would count also if the
victim truelly believed that they were in imminent danger.

	But it's pretty wierd when people start talking about violence-prone,
unstable people armed with machetes as being susceptable to reasoned talk.
         
Brett                                                      
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: CUBA: World Assoc of Community Radios: End U.S. Blockade
Summary: TV/radio jamming, phone blockade...
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Sep3.120800.3890
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9209030152.AA11839@poly.math.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
...
> 
> Havana, September 1 (RHC)--  Close to 500 radio stations from 51 
> countries have called for an end to the US blockade.  In a 
> resolution adopted at the 5th World Association of Community 
> Radio Stations Conference, participants agreed to send letters to 
> the Latin American  presidents to mediate in favor of Cuba. 
> 
> The document also states that Cuba has the right to defent its 
> sovereignty and should not be isolated.  One of the participants, 
> the director of the US Kansas City Community Radio Station, KKFI, 
> Ed Hasse announced that a caravan in solidarity with the island 
> will cross US territory.  Hasse says the caravan will provide a 
> forum for denouncing the blockade, while collecting medicines to 
> be donated to  Cuba.  The meeting was held  last week in the 
> Mexican state of Morelos. 
> 
> Meanwhile, the first encounter of Latin American and Caribbean 
> Radio Announcers is underway in the Cuban capital. Participants 
> at the event include some 60 radio experts from Mexico, 
> Venezuela, the US, Argentina,  Colombia, Poland and Cuba. 
> 
> Alternative methods and means of communications is one of the key 
> issues on the agenda.  The event runs through Friday. 

	One wonders if Castro's blockading of communications between Cuba and
the US will be discussed.

:)

Brett                                                      
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