From: dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman)
Subject: Re: Canada apartheid
Organization: University of Waterloo
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:30:39 GMT

Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote:
: >
: >Manning has directed his fine mind towards reinforcing people's
: >grievances and channelling the blame for those grievances towards a
: >source of his own choosing, all the while conveniently offering weak or
: >even incorrect reasons for linking the two (the grievance vs. the
: >source).
: >
: >Hitler also had that very same magical gift.
: >Hitler was a _very_ smart man too.
: >
: 
: The people in this debate who are arguing for the ideas Hitler's
: espoused, of collective rights and a collective soul expressed through
: executive power are the YES side...
: ...thousands of Canadians and Quebeckers died defeating
: the evil ideas of tribalism and nationalism espoused by Hitler
: and Canadians and Quebeckers can do it again, with a lot less
: bloodshed by voting NO on October 26.

Nobody here is arguing for Hitler. We also strongly disagree with your
histerical rantings about how all of the supporters of the deal are evil,
Hitler supporters, and all around bad people. What nonsense. You see
intolerance where you want, ignore it where you'd rather not see it. I didn't
hear you mention anything about how tolerant and peaceful COR is?

: 
: Manning is an advocate of a Triple-E Senate, of the ability
: of citizens to recall their representatives, of the selective
: use of referenda, all which take power away from the executive
: political leadership.  Manning's rallying cry is "The West wants
: In", and not "The West wants out"...he's not blaming or scapegoating
: easterners for western alienation, but arguing in a reasoned manner
: that it is because of institutional problems, and if we correct 
: the problems in Canadian institutions, the West will be able to
: become and feel like full and equal partners in Canada.

He's arguing that if we kick Quebec out of Canada, there will be more power
for Westerners.

[same old drivel deleted]

: 
: The people with Hitler-esque ambitions are the premiers...for
: Hitler-esque ideology is written all over Charlottetown in its
: collectivist ideology, and the concentration of power by the first
: ministers at the expense of the legislatures.

Its pretty easy to confuse the issues by calling something "Nazi" isn't it? I
mean, you just say that, and everybody ignores the fact that what follows is
just some opinion of yours, and not held by the general population. Find some
proof that Bob Rae idolises Hitler. If you can. Any premier for that matter.
You keep going on about how the premiers are only doing this for their own
personal gain (there is no personal gain for any of them, how could there
be?), how they do this for power. Its not going to change the fact that any
premier can become unelected in a hurry, is it? Of course not. You're
clouding the issues.

: 
: And which side has come up with the slogan "the enemies of Canada",
: and promises millenial prosperity with a YES vote, and a hellish
: doom with a NO vote...which side has said Canada will become Beirut
: or Yugoslavia.   

Both sides. You call all of us YES supporters enemies of Canada. I could
quote Bill Clinton about you being wrong to question my patriotism. You may
think me misguided, that is your right to be incorrect, but you can't
honestly say that I am not in favour of a better Canada.

: 
: Manning's rhetoric is calm and reasoned...you need not agree with
: all of his arguments or policies, I don't, but there are much better
: candidates for demagogues in the country than him.         
: 

Unfortunately, his rhetoric is based on false presumptions, incorrect facts,
and ideology I don't believe in.


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Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
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