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From: rhl@valhalla.mitre.org (Roger Lincoln)
Subject: Protective relatives
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:51:38 GMT


  My mother told me this a few years ago and swears it's true.  She is
German and grew up in Germany during World War II.  Near the end she,
her sister, and my grandmother all had to escape ahead of the
advancing russian troops and constant allied bombings.  Most of the
trip was taken on trains, a none too safe way to travel given their
high visibility and and the fact that they made great targets for
allied pilots to strafe.

    My mother says they were strafed several times and she and her
sister were terribly frightened all the time.  One night while
sleeping she says she had a dream in which her father, who had died
years before, appeared and said (paraphrased) "You don't need to be
frightened, I will protect you."  She claims she was skeptical but
nevertheless somewhat heartened.  In the ensuing months she says they
escaped many deadly situations on trains and in bombings, times when
others around them were killed or injured, but my mother, sister, and
grandmother always escaped harm.  I forget exactly, but I think she
said she had a few more dreams in which he appeared and comforted her.

    Then once they had reached a relatively quiet part of Germany
already occupied by Allied troops she says she had another dream.  Her
father again appeared to her, and she remembers vividly he was seated
in an old chair, in a darkened room, and his head was lowered on his
chest.  He said (again paraphrased), "I cannot help you anymore, and
cannot visit you, but you will be safe from now on".  Shortly
thereafter the war ended, they all moved to America, and are all still
living.  My mother has never again seen her father in dreams.

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From: ivan@spider.co.uk (Ivan Reid)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Street lights
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:02:33 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <Aug28.155740.12046@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> greenidd@CS.ColoState.EDU (danielle greenidge) writes:
>I don't think that having street lights go out on you is a common occurrance.
>Before reading this newsgroup, I have never heard of this happening with
>anyone and I've talked with lots of people.  What this means, I don't know. I
>just wanted to post that it's never happened to me so it can't be that
>common... as I'm about as common as one can get! :)

It's happened to me several times, and I remember thinking how wierd it was, 
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: In Search of ... Ghosts/Ghost Photography
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:46:50 GMT

In article <LIB-ASST.92Aug26115254@hq.hq> lib-asst@hq.hq (Library Assistant) writes:
>I thought this might fit somewhat along the lines of ghost
>stories/sightings (and paranormal activity): tonight (Wednesday,
>August 26) on the Arts & Entertainment Channel (A&E) on cable [sorry
>for those of you who can't get cable] at 10:00pm to 11:00pm EST,
>they'll be broadcasting two episodes of In Search of ..., and the
>subjects will be ghosts and ghost photography.  These are re-runs of
>the original series and re-done (the way the credits look) for A&E.
>The host/narrator is Leonard Nimoy.
>

Aaah, Leonard Nimoy, the ultimate paranormal narrator!  After his
stint on In Search Of, the man could read the outside of a cereal
packet and make it sound scary.  When are we going to get him to team
up with Jack Pallance and read true accounts of ghost encounters on a
late-night radio program?

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From: umsister@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sisterson)
Subject: Three Men and a baby..scariest movie
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:24:44 GMT

To: ghost@netcom.Netcom.COM
Subject: Re: Three Men and a Baby ghost
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories

In alt.folklore.ghost-stories you write:


>About the "Three Men and a Baby" ghost which lurks in the background of a 
>scene...

>I've heard rather confirmed and authentic reports that 

>1) It was a promotional cardboard cutout of the actors which someone 
>   unsuccessfully tried to hide behind a drape or something right before
>   the scene began (these things happen all the time).

>2) It was a BUILT SET..so there couldn't have been a suicide in the "house"
>   they filmed it in.  YES, TRUE, there WAS a real house used for some
>   scenes (particularly outdoor scenes) but it was a soundstage for most
>   of the indoor scenes.

Interesting.  I have heard from several people who have either
a) known someoneon the crew, or 
b) have done a research paper on the ghost.

In both instances, people say that that one scene was done in an actual
apartment.  It was also pointed out that there was a shot gun in the scene, 
which I have checked for myself.  It is right before you see the Kid, and
the shotgun is in the same window where the kid is.

And, if you have a VCR with the ability to go frame to frame, you will see
that the kid's head folows the actors.  Interesting feature for
a cardboard cutout, no?

I will not tell you who has e-mailed me since they did email me and did not
seem to want he general public to know who they are. I will however, ask
these people to post what ever they have found out to the rest of the enquiring mind.

The main reason that I believe that these two apparations are ghosts are that,
a) the still shots do not show them.
b) the boy moves.
c) they aparations are then one second, and gone the next.

For those of you looking for the scene still, it is when the mother comes
over to the appartment, and sees the baby.  (She also say something about the
messy apartment).  The shotgun can been seem in a window when she walks to the
baby, and the kid when the walk away from the crib with the child.

Is there anyway we can verify that this was a scene using and actual
appartment?  I do not really feel like phoning up the movie company, as it
would cost big bucks for me.

Oh ya, I was curious as to what movie is the scariest ever seen?
I have to believe that Exorcist is.  Would people please email me their
scariest movies, and I shall compile a top ten list and post it within a week
or two.


Casey 
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From: ryan@aladdin.b11.ingr.com (Ryan Waldron)
Subject: Re: photographing a ghost
Reply-To: ryan@aladdin.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:17:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.134113.25382@hubcap.clemson.edu>, jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
|> show when we get back.  When we got the pictures developed there was
|> young girl in every single picture that we did no notice when we took
|> the pictures.  Sometimes she was right in front like she was posing and
...
|> sights and happend to be in all our pictures.  Months later there was
|> thing on TV about how people would tak epictures at lincolns tomb and
|> the like and this girl would appear in the pictures and tyey showed some
|> of the pictures on the tv-show.  I'll be damned but it was the same girl
|> that was in or pictures.  Apparently we photographed some ghost!  My dad
|> still has these pictures, cute little girl.

It would be *really* neat if you could scan this in and post it.  I
remember hearing about the little girl somewhere (maybe in a ghost story
book), but I've never seen a picture of her.  Do you think that's possible?

-- 
Ryan Waldron ||| ryan@aladdin.b11.ingr.com ||| ...!uunet!ingr!waldronr

"You read me Shakespeare on the Rolling Thames, That Old River Poet
	 that never, ever ends.
 Our Thumping hearts hold the Ravens in, And keep the tower from tumbling." -KB
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: photographing a ghost
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:40:56 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 writes
> 
> Yes i have heard of many instances of photographing ghosts.  There are many  
ways
> in which it can be done depending upon the conditions.	

How about an instance where you can't see a ghost UNLESS you photograph it?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Scariest movie
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:03:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.091839.11455@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) writes:

About the movie "the Day After"

> Yes!  I have asked others about it as well and they don't know what
> I am talking about.  If it is the same movie I am thinking of, isn't
> the dad at work, while the mom is playing hide and seek with the kids,
> and in the end it is really sad because the little girl dies.  She dies
> because when the crews come around to pick up the people lying on the ground so
> that they can take them to the hospital to treat them, they don't find
> the girl because she was hiding and eventually the dad finds his daughter
> hiding where she always hid when they played hide-n-seek.

I don't remember this detail but I do remember some people vaporizing,
and a bunch of people at a ball game and they see the missiles all take
off and they wonder what they should do and if it's realy a nuc. strike.  And
one guy hides in his car to protect himself from flash blindednees and
some kid gets flash blinded.  I remember a bunch of people arguing over
who pre-empted and then realizing that it does not matter because both
governments are totally wiped out.

I remember a scene where a teenage daughter goes stir crazy hiding in a
basement and runs out into the fallout and gets radiation sickness.

It was a very frightening show!

I am glad to find someone who has actually heard of this show and
rememebers it.  People around here think I am nuts when I mention the
show.

Jim
From: toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: A Pointless Plea
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:48:25 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <1992Aug25.135552.6471@infonode.ingr.com> palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com
(Christopher M. Palmer) writes:

>I don't want this newsgroup to evolve into a forum for presenting then
>debunking paranormal and supernatural events--there are other
>newsgroups for that.

Oh but what fun if everybody agrees it can't be debunked!!  How about reading
ahead before you post to see whether someone else has already said it?  That
should keep the repeats down to perhaps a managable level.

  Tom Schneider
  National Cancer Institute
  Laboratory of Mathematical Biology
  Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
  toms@ncifcrf.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G Spice)
Subject: Re: College Ghosts
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:44:53 GMT

The summers of my undergraduate days were spent working on campus for the
department of Conferences and Facilities.  My duties included working
third shift security one or two nights a week.  This was a sub-suburban
campus, and about the most exciting thing that could be expected to 
happen was for a toilet to overflow.  One particular night during normal
rounds, I noticed that the attic light of Tolg House (at the time, an
abandoned mansion) was on.  The sight in itselt was kind of spooky, since
the house had those Amityville Horror type of windows which look like
eyes when lit up.  I had keys to the house (and everything else on campus
for that matter; but that's another 42 stories, all of which have nothing
to do with ghosts) so I went in, went up to the attic, and turned the 
lights off. 

On my next round of the campus, which is a total of four square blocks, and 
therefore took about 45 minutes, the lights were on again.  This time
I checked out the entire house, making sure noone was inside and trying
to rip off the place.  I again went up to the attic and turned off the
lights and headed out.  I was completely freaked out when I got outside
and the lights to the attic had already been turned back on.

At this point, I decided to wake up one of the other guys that did
security and fill him in on the strange happenings.  He was pretty
pi**ed, but agreed to stand guard outside while I went up to the
attic to turn the lights out.  As would be expected, all went well
and the lights stayed out.  We stood and watched for twenty minutes
and not a thing happened.  Finally, we left, only to look over out
shoulders about a block away to notice the lights blink off, then
on, then off again permanently.

We grabbed two more guys out of their beds (again pi**ed) and posted
them outside the house while we did a complete, and I mean *complete*
sweep of the house.  Nothing.  We decided to leave the lights on.

If you read my last post about the sorority girl hanging herself, this 
will ring a bell.  Later we found out that the original occupant of the
house had committed suicide by jumping out of the attic window.  Again,
this was hearsay, and not confirmed.  Nevertheless, during my summers
there, freaky things continued to occur, including several reports
of ball lightening in the house (after it had been turned into office
space and later housing), and unexplicable electrical problems which
seemed to correct themselves.

The problems may simply have been electrical in nature, but if you
could see this house, you would understand how even the most
skeptical of minds could imagine an other-wordly force behind
the events.

-- 
--------------------------------------     Jim Spice
And we're off, like a dirty shirt!         U. of Wisconsin -- Milwaukee
		--Lester Earnest Spice     Dept. of Political Science
======================================     spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jcj9536@tamsun.tamu.edu (Cindy Brown)
Subject: Re: Scent of Lavender?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:44:11 GMT


One of my favorite sets of books that had ghosts in it is "Ashes to Ashes"
and "Dust to Dust" by Lillian Stewart Carl. In "Ashes to Ashes" there was a
female ghost that moved old bottles of lavander rose water around the house
for some reason and she always smelled faintly of lavender.

Cindy 
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From: death@buhub.bradley.edu (Dustin Slater)
Subject: Re: a ghost called Mary Worth
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:52:22 GMT

We also had this same sort of thing as a kid, but for us you could make her
appear by turing in a circle three times with the light off and saying a
"chant". In so doing this supposedly arms were going to appear out of the
mirro and scratch your face. 
--
death@buhub.bradley.edu                              death@camelot.bradley.edu

           Feel your blood run cold as the face of Death stares at you.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer)
Subject: Haunted Hospitals and Cold Ghosts
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:13:32 GMT

A town near me has a deserted hospital and every time I drive by it, I
think that if there are any haunted places, they would have to be
hospitals and nursing homes.  I have sketched out ideas for a horror
story that takes place in a haunted hospital.

Unrelated topic---
One night I dreamed that I was in a haunted house.  Somehow, I worked
this out in my dream:  When people describe ghosts and hauntings, they
usually speak of cold spots.  Ghosts are also traditionally associated
with storms and fog.  In my dream, the ghosts were traditional, the
spirits of dead people, but they had no physical existence.  I could
see them because they were cold spots that condensed the humid air
into foggy, human-shaped outlines.  Electricity in the air gave them
more energy so they appeared more substantial when there was
lightening.  I used the concept in a role-playing adventure later.
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From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: crop circles
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:41:18 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:

>What would be the appropriate list for discussion of crop circles?  I
>don't think I have ever heard of them being associated with ghosts, so
>where do you think I could pick up some discussion of the crop circle
>phenomenon?

I thought the crop circles had been exposed as the work of two jokers in
England and their copiers?

Sally
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: cking@zeus.muse.rockwell.com (Christopher King)
Subject: Re: crop circles
Reply-To: cking@zeus.muse.rockwell.com (Christopher King)
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:34:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.153617.13167@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
|>What would be the appropriate list for discussion of crop circles?  I
|>don't think I have ever heard of them being associated with ghosts, so
|>where do you think I could pick up some discussion of the crop circle
|>phenomenon?
|>

If you are referring to the circles that were appearing in the crops over
in England, they discovered (fairly recently) that it was a prank and
that someone (I can't remember who or why now) was going out at night
and making them.

Chris
      
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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Subject: Re: Haunted Hospitals?
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:21:13 GMT

From article <19920826155836CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, by CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS):
> In article <1992Aug26.163345.27286@cs.unca.edu>, on 26 Aug 1992 16:33:45 GMT,
> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>There's too many people for one thing, and too many bright lights.
>>Besides, even a *ghost* wouldn't want to hang around a hospital.
>>That's bad enough when you're alive. I'd haunt a house or something
>>first.
>>
>>Ghosts need secluded, dark places.
>>
>>Scott
> 
> If I recall there are a few ghost stories that happened in hospitals
> (the ones I recall are Cedars-Sinai Hostpital and UCLA Medical
> center). I can't recall the stories but one had to do with a spouse
> of a patient and the other had to do with an over dedicated nurse.
>      --Ed

I was thinking of one theory of what/why ghosts are.  It goes
something like they died traumatically  and quickly and don't
know they are dead.  Granted, a lot of people who die in
hospitals know they are going to die, but I should think a lot of
them don't.  Another theory is that traumatic deaths make some
kind of imprint on their surroundings and some people see this as
a ghost.  I should think that many of the deaths in hospitals are
traumatic enough to do this.
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Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:04:24 GMT
Subject: Re: The Haunted Meadow
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories

In alt.folklore.ghost-stories, dw@unislc.uucp (Dan Wright) writes:

> 
> I'm a skeptic.  I sometimes ask people, "do you believe in ghosts?" 
  At one point hundreds of them rushed out of the trees to
> get her, and she awoke in terror.

	Man! how I wish I could have nightmares like these.  Once only
	just to experience the terror, but alas I know it will never 
	happen.  This is no flame to your belief that your story is about
	a haunting, only a memory flash back to my youth.  In Hawaii it is
	a commen story of various hauntings in grave yards, mountain peaks,
	the beach, everywhere.  Yet I would make lots of money of superstition.
	You know, I bet I can go at midnight through so and so haunted area 
	and come out alive.  I always did, and I got rich as a kid doing it.
	I learned a long time ago that things which do not follow any known
	physical laws can not hurt you.  A ghost can not hurt you since by 
	any classical or physics sense it is not in our know existance, so 
	even if they do exist, why fear them.  If I saw or felt anything as
	you described I would have tried to learn from it if I could, not 
	fear it.  Life itself, REALITY ALONE, is cause enough for fear, not
	the unknown.  
	
	Go up there again with a new insight, and see if you have the nightmares	again.

thanks for the story!




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From: jim@math.orst.edu (Jim Eddington)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Scariest movie
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:20:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department

Regarding scary movies, without a doubt, "The Haunting", from the early 60's,
I believe, rates right up there and still carries quite an impact after all
these years.  It's believable, which makes for a true thriller......

				Jim Eddington
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