From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Keywords: Tree huggers, Bud-chugging-hairy-backed-red-necked-conservatives
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:14:56 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

[ lots and lots of stuff deleted in order to get down to the bone
  of the matter.... ]

>>You honestly believe that education is not a factor in the difference
>>between teen pregancy rates in urban Chicago and the suburbs of Seattle?
>>What is the reason for the huge disparity?
 
>It certainly depends on what we mean by education.  Obviously sex
>education is irrelevant because they knew how to get pregnant and
>wanted to.  (Voluntary birth control is also irrelevant.)

Wait a minute.  Your not really saying that sex ed is pointless are you?
There is a lot to be learned about birth control, I can't believe that
15 year old girls, who are not mentally retarded actually _want_ to
have children.  But regarding those 15 year old who do...
 
>Some of these kids were quite bright.  It isn't obvious that they made
>the wrong decision for someone in their situation.  After all, they
>weren't going to be in a rich family whether or not they got pregnant.

So, what is exactly do with we do with a 15 year GIRL that intentionally
gets pregnant?  I have been misunderstood on this point before <the usual
dimwits called me a Social Engineer/Nazi because I was for free access to
abortion> - but the point remains, just what the fuck do you do with people
that have children but can't afford to cloth/feed/adequately shelter them?

What do you do with borderline idiots who just continue to have children,
and consequently get increased welfare and child care payments.  I am
_not_ talking about a women or families that have recently hit upon hardtimes,
I am talking about the chronically poor, and clueless. People that do not
think about how they are going to feed these children, they just mindlessly
continue to crank out these unfortunate welfare babies. 

Where do you draw the line between their freedoms and the tax payers's
checkbooks?  Should they get welware if they continue to spew out children
like a bunch of fornicating rabbits?  As an advocate for absolute personal
freedom AND responsible government <i.e. balanced budget, no debt.> just
what do all you 'netters think should be done?  And all you anti-personal-
freedom prolifers out there <is this bait or what?>  Just what would YOU
do?  If you are going to forbid even raped incest cases from abortions,
what are you going to do to prevent people from having sex?  Or will you
continue to ignore this problem and just ignore the national debt and
the suicidal fiscal practices of our current and past administrations?

I know most of you are hot to hit that 'F' key.  Go for it.  You tree-huggers
on the left, you bud-chugging, hairy backed redneck conservatives on the
right, what is your solution?  Huh?  Well?

Ian 'just causing trouble' Malone

And no, I am not making any suggestions, so don't waste your time composing
some poor flame on me <and from past flames, it seems like some of you don't
waste too much time at that> So many people on the net are sooooo sure of
themselves and their often frighteningly short-sighted beliefs, that I
want to hear them actually applied to an actual problem.
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