From: psyco4@rosie.uh.edu (Clark, Sharon D.)
Subject: Re: Space Madness pins down Furries
Summary: [Log]
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:00:00 GMT

In article <Bw0vuL.7p0@ais.org>, jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes...
> 
>In the spirit of the _Harper's_ Readings section, I present a log
>without commentary.
>This log was made in the early afternoon of October 12th, 1992, on
>Space Madness, a MUSH running at 139.78.1.15 6250.  The players
>who use Space Madness, and "Furries", are two of the older distinct
>social entities of MUDs.  seattle seems to be a newcomer to Space
>Madness.
>-----

I'll add some commentary, being a Furry.  Yes, I play Furry, and Time
Traveller, and many other Mu*

>Randomness says "Yeah, but he's cooler than most furries."
>seattle says "Not to sound naive, but whawt's a furry?"
>elthar says "A 'Furry' is a person who plays characters which are
 anthropomorphic animals, usually intensely cute and interested in lots of
 snuggling 'n' stuff."

You forgot a few.  There are elves, and even humans on FurryMuck.  Granted,
the majority of people who play there play anthromorphic animals.  So sue
us?

>seattle smirks.
>Tater says "the 'n' stuff usually includes total naked public humping"

Where? 99% of public rooms on Furry have an understood rating of PG-13.
The one that doesn't is the Truth or Dare room, which has it's rated 
posted.  There is quite a bit of public snuggling, cuddling, call it 
what you will, but it's _not_ overtly sexual.

>Tater says "the quote "I'm typing with ONE HAND, baby" is often heard on
 furry muck"

Most interesting.  I've never _once_ heard that phrase spoken, and I have 2 
characters there, and have played off and on for about a year or so.

>Randomness snickers at Tater.
>Tourmaline says "personally i don't like Furryism, because it seems degrading
 to women, and i dislike some furries, because they act saccharine-sweetly
 cute and if you don't act cute TOO they tend to get very fascist"

Valid point, but show me a much where female characters _aren'_ degraded?
The only ones I've seen are ones that are totally roleplaying, such as
Pern-types, DragonLance, Belgariad, etc.
As to the being cute, yes, many or most of the characters there are cute.
But then there are the dragons, demons, devils, and such which are _not_
cute.  And btw...Keylime is most definitly _not_ cute ;)

>Tater nods to Tourmaline.  "That bit about fascism is dead on target."

Granted.  There is someone there who admits to being fascist, but most
furries aren't.  We only ask that you take the time to make a decent
description, set your gender, species, and lock yourself, which is no more
than most mu* will ask. I offer AfterFive as a point.  Around 40% of the 
people I see on there have no description.  How do you interact with someone
if you don't know anything about them?

>dirque says "Personally i don't like furry cause the players are even worse
 losers than the average mud geek"

So if someone is married, they're a loser? Or if someone is bisexual/homo-
sexual, they're a loser? Of if they like to talk to people, they're a 
loser? I think not.  Seems to me you're being a tad bit petty here,
slamming someone because of their beliefs and ideals...

>Tater says "and they have these page-long descriptions that have lots of
 references to "sleek thighs" and "firm, rosy-nippled breasts" and stuff. 
 hence of course you know that 99 of furries are guys"
>Devon says "I know a couple of Furries... one is pretty cool, the other is
 one of the biggest losers I know.  Bleh."
>Finrod says "99 FUCKING percent"
>Devon says "99%?"
>Tater says "at least."

What about the male characters?  I don't describe myself on their in any more
than like 6 lines for any of my forms.  And on my female character (And yes,
I have one, and yes, I'm male real life, and yes, I'm straight.  Deal with it)
It is more of a clinical description, and it wasn't written by me, so I'm 
not bothered.  Yes, about 70-80% of the characters are run by males, so?
You ever hear of roleplaying? And there are plenty of women who play there,
and who play female characters.  And some of them don't even do anything
more than PG rating. 

>Finrod says "furry parties are a truly sad affair"

I wouldn't know...have never gone to one.

>Tater says "most RL females play MALE furries so as not to get constantly hit
 on by RL guys playing VR males and RL guys playing VR lesbians."

Umm...mind giving me an example? As in a character name, and the players name,
phone number, and address? Don't believe everything you are told.  It's not 
good.  And another point.  Virtual reality does not equal real life, no 
matter how much we might wish it at times.

>Tater hates furries

Yes, so I've noted.  You're also a little twerp who can't handle someone
being different.

>Randomness has nothing against furries, but does mind being harassed for
 being insufficiently cute.

If someone harasses you, walk away.  There is a neat thing on FurryMuck
called page #ignore.  You can't hear that person's pages.  You can also
set yourself Haven, and no one can find you or page to you.
I don't harass anyone, but I can't speak for those who might.  Yes, 
there are some jerks on FurryMuck.  But there are also a lot of nice people

>Tourmaline says "the furry party i went to was SO PATHETIC, i mean, it was
 more pathetic than Pete from windsor, it was more pathetic than the time my
 nonexistent license was suspended for a nonvalid reason, it was TRULY 
 pathetic.  100 FUCKING percent ol

Then why did you go?  That shows more than a bit of stupidity on your
part, mein herr...

>Tater says "furries have no clue.  on time traveller, there're all those
 rooms called things like "Jump!  Bandwagon Lounge"  and "Glub!  Fishbowl
 Lounge"... but the Furries can't even get the pattern of ____! _______
 Lounge right... they came up with nam

Ok, so because the few people who built the lounges on Time Traveller 
didn't name them according to _your_ logic, we're all clueless? Seems
you are the one who needs to take his/her head out of the sand.

>elthar says "O, come now, let's not condemn a group wholeheartedly!  How
 bigoted!"

Exactly my point, Elthar.  Yes, some are jerks.  But most are not.

>seattle says "So furries are prepubescent mudders with elevevated 
 testosterone levels?"
>Devon says "A lot of them are old frustrated men, too."
>Tater says "actually, seattle, most of them are 24-25-26, no girlfriend, live
 with a few other male furries."
>dirque says "furries are middle-age mudders with elevated testosterone levels"

The people on FurryMuck average around 20-22, because _most_ people on 
the Internet discover it in college and are of that age.  I happen to be 20,
engaged, and living alone.  Therefore, I don't fit your template.  Don't 
speak where you don't have the knowledge.  I don't remember a survey being
taken.

>Tourmaline says "some people have the bad luck to be involved with furrymuck,
 but can be rescued and untaught their furry ways."

Come on...you make it sound like a disease or something.  Grow up.

>elthar knows a guy who goes to FurryMUCK solely to talk to a friend of his. 
 In order to qualify for the theme, his character wears a forehead toupee.

You don't really have to qualify for the 'Furry' theme...although 
many do. I've seen quite a few human wandering around FurryMuck.

>dirque says "HHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE baiting hervestia about saying it has 6
 breasts"

And now the truth comes out.  You like to be a twit.  As I and someone 
else said earlier, Furries are people who play "anthromorphic animals"
which are animals with human characteristics...Such as some Anime Movies,
Disney's _Robin Hood_, and many other places.  Human characteristics
_do_ include human breasts on females.  Like it or not.  Not that you'd 
know.  And just to clear it up, Hervyestia is female.

>Tater was on Furry about 30 minutes ago... left when they all spent ten 
 minutes using their oh-so-furry hug global on each other and then started 
 discussing something on a show called "the edge" or "edge" about plastic
 surgery to add breasts to people so

Ok, so at times people go overboard with the hug global and affection in 
general.  So walk away?  And about the plastic surgery and all, "The Edge"
is a new comedy series on Fox in the same vein as "In Living Color".  If 
you were to pay more attention to life, you might have caught it.
People, you need to grow up. Don't slam someone just because you
don't like the way they do things.

Jason Ballew
Bregalad/FurryMuck
Brianna/FurryMuck
Zarkon/TimeTraveller
Briana/TimeTraveller
Jason/AfterFive
Brianna/AfterFive
Z'kon/PernMush
Bregalad/TinyTim (if it comes up)
Auzmen/PernMush
Jayson/Soucon
Erych/DragonsFire
Go ahead, flame me, see if I care...
'Sides, I know how to 'kill' posts ;)
And also, if it's an intelligent flame, I'll respond.  Otherwise, it's killed.

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