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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Luke in the Rancor pit
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:21:50 GMT

From article <1992Sep2.170855.13881@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, by gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay):

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> 
> Question about this part:  Why did he have to pick up a rock and throw it
> at the door controls? I suppose it's either
> 
> a) so the audience has some idea what is going on, people might have
> gotten miffed if such tense scene ended with the door just falling on 
> the baddie.
> 
> or 
> 
> b)  It would be a direct 'attack', which the force shouldn't be used for.
> (Though it's definatly self-defence...)
> 
> Any other ideas?


	I figure we all have our own ideas of how the force works, and my
ideas explain it this way:

In order to move an object with the force, you have to imagine it moving.  In
order to imagine it moving, you have to know how it works.  Luke didn't know
the particular mechanics of this gate (Did it have gears, latches, or
electronic locks?), so he could not visualize the mechanical apparatus
allowing the gate to close.  Consequently, he had to do it the "usual" way.
Maybe he used the force to guide the rock?

Then again, maybe he was just in too much of a hurry to concentrate that 
hard...
 

It's not that I like the Empire.  
I hate it, but there's nothing 				Jules
I can do about it right now! 
	- Luke Skywalker.
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From: broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BROWN ADRIAN)
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:18:52 GMT

mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:

>In article <92246.165121JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> Jean Prior writes:
>>
>>         I think the "Captain Antilles" character might have been mentioned in
>>SW, come to think of it.  However, I don't think Wedge's last name was ever
>>mentioned until RotJ.  

>Yep, Captain Antilles was mentioned by 3PO, who says that he was their last
>owner.  I also think you're right about Wedge's name not being mentioned.

	Hmmmm. My memory may be playing tricks on me, but ...

	I was under the impression that CAPT Antilles was strangled by
Vader, when Vader was searching the Blockade Runner for Leia. I know he
did strangle one guy inside the BR at the start of ANH ... maybe he was just a
guard ...
	If this is so, then I am CERTAIN that the radio series (which was
burned into my brain after my Dad taped it for me, every week, when it came
on the ABC every weekend when I was in about Grade 3 (about 10 years, possibly
more, ago!)) contained a scene where Antilles was interrogated by the Dark
Lord of the Sith, as to the whereabouts of Princess Leia on his craft, and
eventually died, without divulging the information.

	Food for thought, eh? ...

	See you 'round!


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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:32:06 GMT

In article <l9smbqINN3uj@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
> 
>I doubt it VERY much that a new Star Wars film will be out in May '93.
>I would almost bet money on it not happening for a couple of reasons:
         ^^^^^^
If you're ready to bet money on it, I'll bet my $10 on it happening in
'93 (note that I'm not saying anything about any month). So, do you
accept my bet? (I'm not willing to bet money with any others since I
don't have too many $10s to lose if I happen to be wrong.)
>
>1) Who would do the effects? ILM, correct. ILM has been very busy lately on
>other film Jurassic Park is supposed to have effects in it that are going
>to be as breakthrough as T2 was last year If ILM haven't stared yet on
>the SW effects if it IS to be released in 1993 then they will never be able to
>finish on schedule. They barely got Jedi done in time.

What if ILM has already finished those effects on SW? If my
information is correct, there is almost an empty year for ILM after
T2.
>2) Lucas has ben heavily into Young Indy the past year and since it has been
>renewed for this fall, I'm sure he is busy right now. If anything, I would
>say that Young Indy has pushedthe next SW movie farther away.

Has he really been heavily into Young Indy or has he said he's busy
with it. They're two different things.
>
>3)Could he actually have a film in production without some one leaking it 
>out? It is possable but VERY unlikely. With the amount of people that he
>will have working on it, news is bound to leak out.

If Lucas has paid well enough to keep people's mouths closed. And, if
no-one knows who's acting in SW or who's doing some work with SW,
no-one knows who to ask. If Lucas has picked up previously unknown
actors like he mostly did with ANH, it wouldn't be too difficult to
keep their mouth shut. 
That leaves all technicians etc. out but if Lucas has made some kind
of agreement with them... 'If you leak out you're fired immediately'.
It would keep mouths shut too. And if those technicians etc. have been
paid enough, they have no need to tell anyone.

(Sorry people for posting again this 'when next SW movie comes out'
thing but I was very interested in that bet :-)
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:40:12 GMT
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Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>
>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
> if the pods could escape from the Death Star's tractor beam,
>are you telling me that the imperials are dumb enough not to
>have detected all this?  Any reasonable explanations?
>Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....
>
  It said they were jettisoned shortly after takeoff!!
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Subject: Re: Star Wars Radio Series Available?
From: lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (John Hale)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 11:49:56 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu writes:

> Awhile ago, NPR broadcasted a radio series version of Star Wars and The Empir
> Strikes Back (perhaps they also did Return of the Jedi).  Does anyone know if
> this is avaible on tape/cd?
> 
> Jim Terman
> 
> terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu
> 

Yes, could any well-connected, net-going sould help me out too? Send 
Email please, to lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us. Thanks a billion!
                                                -LW
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:17:05 GMT

No one would go out in space without escape pods!!!

And the diagram of the Falcon in the sourcebook is pretty bogus.
It goes against everything that was said about it in all the books.
(The pincers, for example, were for loading cargo!) I don't buy
where the escape pods are, either.

Scott

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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:26:17 GMT

In article <l9aepfINN9d0@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.182416.26945@cs.tulane.edu> toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten) writes:

>>      Anyway, to get to the point, Kenner at the same time released the
>>Boba Fett charecter as a sort of free incentive if you bought 'x' amount
>>of merchandise.  It was also tied in to the certificates somehow.  

>       Fett wasn't tied in with the early figure certificates. It was called
>the early-bird kit. Kenner was way behind in the manufacturing so they released
>the early bird kit for Christmas of 1977. The kit came with a cool looking
>backdrop and a display for the first 12 action figures.  You send in the
>certificate you got in the kit and Kenner sent you a set of 4 figures.
>(Luke, Leia, Chewie, and R2) you also got 12 little pegs that fit into
>the display to stand the figures on.  They shipped the 4 figure sets between
>Feb 1, '78 and June 1, '78. Kenner didn't release the figures in stores until
>AFTER all these sets were sent out (After June 1, '78).
>       Think about that...the figures weren't in store until over a year 
>after the film was released and they still sold incredibly well.

>       I have a action figure package with the Fett offer on the back and
>the expiration date is like Dec '79 or close to it.  Fett wasn't offered
>until the last series of ANH figure were available.

I seem to remember this also. I do remember that I had saved all of my 
package backs to that point, and was able to send for two, count'em two Boba 
Fett figures, which I still have. I don't remember the early bird kit 
specifically, but I do remember the display stand. I think I actually have 
the package backs deep in a closet somewhere (minus the p-o-p's.) It would 
be fun to dig those out.
	I also remember another mail-in figure offer, which yeilded up 
another of those bounty hunters seen on the bridge of the Executor in TESB. 
I still have that figure somewhere too.


Jeff Jonsson
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, elcranor@amhux1.amherst.edu (Erich Cranor '93) says:

>	In this discussion I've seen people preferring Jedi (hard to
>believe) and Star Wars, as the original.  I'm posting the consensus of
>about eight people here that Empire outshoined all the others.

When I was younger, I rated ESB at the bottom.  As I've grown up, though,
I've gotten a deeper understanding of what was going on, and I have put
it up at the top of the list.  I agree that ROTJ was a bit fluffy compared
to the somewhat darker feel of the first two.

>	A friend of mine says that EMpire was directed, or overseen,
>or something by somebody differeent from the other two--like Lucas
>entrusted it to somebody else--can anybody support or refute this?  I 
>imagine it will be a while before I have a chance to check the credits.

Yes, it was directed by Irvin Kershner, and there were a lot of problems.
He was not realy an adventure-type director.  He was more of a person-
type director.  He wasn't really in the spirit of the thing, either.
(This is evidenced by the fact that he tried to sue Lucas to get his
name in the traditional spot -- at the end of the opening credits --
as mandated by the Director's Guild of America.  Can you imagine what
that would have been like?  

(Forgive the psudeotext... I don't have it memorized.)

                              Now the Rebels have 
                          fled to the remote ice-world
                      of Hoth while the Empire sends out 
                  probe after probe to track them down ......





                        Directed by Irvin Kershner

I don't think so.

(Obviously, the DGA allowed him a variance.  I think it had to do
with the fact that there WERE no opening credits, but I'm not sure.)

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Princess Leah's cell block? 
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:26:15 GMT


In a previous article, jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) says:

>
>Could somebody please tell me what princess Leah's cell block was?

From memory, Block AA23, Cell 2187.  

Right?

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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Summary: Kershner & Hoth
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:00:06 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug26.164100.10016@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>
>Yes, it was directed by Irvin Kershner, and there were a lot of problems.
>He was not realy an adventure-type director.  He was more of a person-
>type director.  He wasn't really in the spirit of the thing, either.
>(This is evidenced by the fact that he tried to sue Lucas to get his
>name in the traditional spot -- at the end of the opening credits --
>as mandated by the Director's Guild of America.  Can you imagine what
>that would have been like?  

	For a non-adventure type director, he put together one of the best
action sequences in film history, and my favorite sequence of three films.
I absolutely love the Hoth battle sequence. The first 1/2 hour of Empire
is, IMHO, the best 1/2 hour of the three movies. As a whole, Star Wars
is the best. And anyone who things Jedi is even close to the other two is
incomprehensible to me. I enjoyed Jedi when I first saw it, just because
i I wanted to see the resolution, but as far a second or third viewings,
this is a weak film. I've noticed typically at screenings of the trilogy,
there is an exodus at the end of Empire. To anyone who really likes Jedi:
How old were you when you saw it? 

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From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Empire trailer
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In the "Star Wars Radio Show" issue of _Fantastic Films_ (Don't 
have the issue #), one of the guys at ILM mentions that in the
Empire trailer, one of the TIE fighters hits an asteroid, and 
they rotoscoped in the pilot being thrown out of the cockpit,
breaking into pieces, and bursting into flames. I have the
trailer on tape, but unfortunately not that great a copy, so I 
can't clearly discern any pilot. I have the laserdisc, too; and
when I checked the shot that was in the trailer I didn't see 
any pilot. Anyone (Josh?) know anything about this?
                                             George...
"Which way to the castle?"
From: gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:33:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug26.184731.9128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
>and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?
>
>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>Jaba's place.

Answer #1:  Sarlaac pit.    (someone check my spelling)
Answer #2:  Rancor monster.
            This was ROTJ not TESB


Jay
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From: watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Vader takes a Lava Bath
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:18:59 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I can recall hearing this story very soon after the Original Star Wars
movie came out.  The gist of it was that Vader and Obi Wan were dueling
at the lip and Vader fell in.  (I haven't seen the "Fall of the Republic"
story but I imagine they incorporated the scene as described).

Sorry, but I can't produce a source for the story.  (All my old articles
are back in Missouri, and that seems a bit far to go to prove a point)
The point being that the Lava-Darth story goes back way before FotR so
it's inclusion of that story does not lend credence to any claims of it's
being "canon".

mike

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Battle Fleets in ROTJ
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:04:51 GMT

I'm not analyzing to death, but take into account:

* the Empire had billions of ships all over the galazy, and the tax
  base and brute force to get more made

* the Rebels had very, very, very few ships, and needed every
  last one for Endor -- they probably didn't have enough 
  for a reserve

The Empire doesn't really need medical facilities, cos they can 
re-grow 100 people for every 1 killed. The Rebels want to save every
last person.

If the rebels have extra ships, they would hide them very
far apart and well amid the galaxy. They wouldn't have
*every* ship in one place, cos -- like the Frigate -- the Empire
will make short work of them.

I get the feeling the Rebels are hanging in by a thread.

Scott

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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Are You Yanking Me?!?
Keywords: You Gotta Be Kidding!!!!!!!!
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.184731.9128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
>and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?
>
>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>Jaba's place.


Is this guy for real?


Well in case you are being serious, both beasties appear in ROTJ.
The first on is "The Dreaded Sarlacc that lives in the Pit Of
Carkoon." (or just the Sarlacc for those of you who aren't all to
melodramatic...)
And the second monster is the Rancor.  Speaking of the Rancor, has
anyone ever wondered how they curbed this thing.  Either they had
one hell of a pooper-scooper, or the largest litter box you ever 
laid your eyes on...


	--Jerry




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From: mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Melissa Mcguire)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Storybook
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 31 Aug 1992 16:10 EST  

This may seem out of thin air, but I have always wondered about.  In the 
hardcover (and eventually softcover, I would imagine) SW storybook (you 
know, the ones with the page of 1inch by 1 inch pictures of the characters) 
I noticed something strange in a picture with C3PO.  It is the one where 
Luke is with Ben at his house and holding a lightsabre.  3PO has shut down 
to relax or something.  In the picture of the book, it looks like they 
forgot to put the "droid" glove back onto his hand, and there as he sits it 
a 3PO with a human hand.  

Please let me know if any of you ever noticed this.  I'm going from memory 
here from quite sometime ago, but it stood out enough for me to be curious 
about it.

Thanks.

Melissa McGuire
mcguire@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Trading Cards
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:49:11 GMT

gmah@bnr.ca (Garry Mah) said:
> I have a couple of questions about the TOPPS Star
> Wars/Empire/Jedi trading cards.
>
> 1.  How many different series are there and what are the ranges
> for each.  If I remember correctly there was a blue, red, and
> orange Star Wars set, a red, blue and yellow Empire set.  What
> else was there?

ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) replies:

>Star Wars
>Set 1 Blue - 66 cards 
>Set 2 Red - 66 cards
>Set 3 Yellow - 66 cards 
>Set 4 Green - 66 cards
>Set 5 Orange - 66 cards
>
>The Empire Strikes Back
>1 Red/Silver - 132 cards
>2 Blue/Silver - 132 cards
>3 Green/Gold - 88 cards
>
>Return of the Jedi
>1 Red - 132 cards
>2 Blue - 88 cards

   This is correct (to the best of my knowledge) for the Topps set.
However, the Blue, Red, and Orange sets to which Garry Mah refers
are the Canadian (O-Pee-Chee) card sets.  The Blue and Red sets are
the same as the Topps sets, and the Orange set consisted of cards from
both the Green and Orange Topps sets. Cards in the yellow Topps set
never appeared as Canadian cards.  Also, the stickers from the
Star Wars card series only ran from 1-33 (Topps series 1-3).
   The Empire Strikes Back series 1 and 2 and Return of the Jedi
series 1 are the same as the Topps sets, with possibly some minor
differences.
   Stickers exist for the Canadian TESB series, but I have never seen
any of them, nor have I seen stickers for the Canadian ROTJ cards.
Also, I have never seen Green/Gold TESB cards or Blue ROTJ cards printed
in Canada.

   If anyone has information contrary to these claims, please post
and correct me.  Also, if anyone has any of the Canadian cards for sale
(or any Topps cards, for that matter), please E-mail and let me know.

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