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From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Atari 800XL monitors and IBM<->AtariDOS disks - HELP !
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:01:10 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <ROBERT.92Dec14142630@caxton.harlqn.co.uk> robert@harlqn.co.uk (Robert Butterworth) writes:
>Nice to see the 8bit systems going strong still.
>Due to financial problems, I'm having to sell my PC and go back to using my
>800XL.  I've been off the scene for years now, so I've got a few questions :
>
>1.  What kind of colour monitors can I plug into the RGB port on the 800XL, how
>much will they cost and where can I pick one up in the UK ?
>
It isn't an RGB port, it's a composite port.  You can use composite monitors
like the Commodore 1701 or 1702, or a tv set that has audio/video inputs.
I have no idea what they would cost in the UK, but here used monitors usually
sell for $100 or less.

>2. Is it at all possible to get software that I've downloaded onto the PC's at
>work via anonymous FTP, onto the atari.  I've got a bog standard 1050 drive (I
>used to have a double density one but it blew up !), so I don't think I can use
>proper double density disks (can I ?).
>
That's a problem.  Your best bet is to get an RS232 interface and/or a modem.
Or, get a double density drive.  I think CSS still sells a double density
upgrade for the 1050, but it might be easier to find a used drive already
upgraded.

>3. I've got a 200Mb Seagate ST1239A IDE drive left over from the PC.  How the
>hell do I go about connecting it to the atari ?  Is it possible.
>
Far as I know, there's no way to connect an IDE drive to an 8-bit.  With an
MIO or Black Box, you can use SCSI, MFM or RLL drives.

>Bear in mind that I've no idea what's going on in the 8bit world these days.
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Robert Butterworth
>robert@harlqn.co.uk
>Ta.
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: My ego VS UUE
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:41:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
From: djg0@aber.ac.uk (Dean John Garraghty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Advert
Date: 10 Dec 92 10:47:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

This advert will appear in Atari Classics issue 2, but I thought I'd put it
on the net as well so you can see in advance what I supply for the Atari.

Dean Garraghty. djg0@aber.ac.uk 



                DEAN GARRAGHTY -- ATARI 8-BIT SUPPORT


 * Public Domain. 155 DS disks available from only 1.25pounds a disk!

 * News-Disk. The on-disk newsletter. Just 4.00pounds for a 4 issue
   subscription! Issues 1-9 available as back issues for just 5.00pounds the
   set!

 * Commercial Software Publishing. Including Digi-Studio -- a music creation
   system for digitized sounds. This is also available from our U.S. supplier!
   We also sell all Power Per Post products in the UK!

 * Software Exchange. Get rid of your unwanted tapes/disks/carts. and swap
   them for PD from our library! Also, the software collected through this
   scheme is sold off cheaply!

 * Hardware. Re-conditioned hardware sometimes available. Hardware is also
   bought (working or not).

All prices quoted are for the U.K. only. For foreign orders, a subscription to
the News-Disk costs 10pounds. The 1-9 pack also costs 10pounds. The full 
PD catalogue with UK and foreign prices is available on our on-disk catalogue,
which costs 1pound in the UK, and 2.50pounds elsewhere. A free copy of the
catalogue is supplied with the News-Disk pack. Payment should be made
in UK funds by British cheque/PO or by IMO for foreign orders, or by cash in
pounds sterling, or US$. Translate as 1pound=$2 to take care of the exchange 
fee if paying in US$. Please use registered mail if sending cash.

Digi-Studio is available in the US from: Lance Tatman, 844 Kern Street, 
Richmond, CA 94805. For UK and non-US Digi-Studio enquiries, contact us at the
address below. Digi-Studio product information and order forms available from
us, or from the US supplier. Send SASE for details.

All other products mentioned available from:

    Dean Garraghty, 62 Thomson Ave, Balby, Doncaster, DN4 0NU, ENGLAND.
From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: XEP80 as a printer port, Standard connector? HELP!
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:53:54 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

I've just tried to hook up a printer using a standard
IBM-Centronics cable to my XEP80.
Is it just the connector that is standard?
Are the pinouts the same?
Anyway, when I try to print from various programs, BASIC etc.
 nothing happens. (I've loaded the XEP handler first, holding down shift
to supress 80 col. mode).
Is there a bug in the handler?
Are the XEP pinouts non-IBM-Standard ?
Conclusion, the "p:" device is precent but absolutely nothing prints...

It's a Commodore MPS 1250 paralell printer set to EPSON FX#2
(I've also trioed just every other combination too).

PLease fill me in!

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Fredrik Lundholm           DDD    OO   L   
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~           D  D  O  O  L   - RECORDS         
d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se     DDD    OO   LLLL   
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From: aa700@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Current)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.8bit.archive
Date: 19 Dec 1992 14:48:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


From a practical standpoint, it requires 100 Yes votes in an official Call
For Votes to create a new newsgroup, and it's not clear there are even that
many of us reading this group.

I don't see why such informative articles can't be posted here, and there's
nothing that says they can't be stored at our atari.archive FTP site.
-- 
         Michael Current, Cleveland Free-Net 8-bit Atari SIGOp
Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA / UUCP: ...!umn-cs!ccnfld!currentm
      Internet: currentm@carleton.edu / Cleveland Free-Net: aa700
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: 3.5 Drives on the 8 bit
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:14:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Hmmmm... What you probably want to know is if there's a way you can
just plug it in with no other chips: No. Like James said, you could
just get percom or modified XF551 to use it, but it requires the
outlay of $$$. But while I'm rambling, the disck controller built
into the ST that uses the Master drive is the SAME exact part that
is used in the XF551 (WD1772). I've only got two hacks left on my
in box so to speak, a bus RS232 (which if I got off my butt would only
take a weekend) & adding a 1772 to the XL buss(which would REALLY tax
my limited ability & may never be done by me). It's a good topic though
the cheapest I've found the 1772's for is $25 so it's not the everyman's
project you'd think. It is interesting to note though, they've come
out with a new super ST disk controller chip that lets you use 1.4 meg
drives on the ST & I've heard rumors you can just modify the drive
controller's clock on an ST to use 1.4 meg disks => the XF551 could
do the same thing maybe<?>. Bob Wooley's really the guy to get to do
this stuff, absolute wizard at it. Maybe I'll offer him something like
64k of static RAM, a couple of 8040's, some 5.25" 720k drives, & ???
to take on the project. He has so many other valuble projects on burners
that I really worry about taking him away from something more important.
It would be less of a problem if the new super 1.4 meg controllers were
only a couple of bucks. It really gets limited when you're talking about
only a couple of people with the right hardware/$$$ & very expensive
chips<g>.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: Lyman Green (lgreen@bbs.sbs.com)
Subject: Help, where to get it?
Reply-To: lgreen@bbs.sbs.com (Lyman Green)
Organization: Anomaly: Rhode Island's Gateway To The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:05:35 GMT
Summary: Help

Hello.. My father recently bought an old 800xl at a yardsale and he is 
looking for games, info, and assorted things for it.  Is there a place to 
get software, and how would one go about getting it to the 800xl?  Is 
there a FAQ or a server with archives for this newsgroup somewhere?  
Please either mail me or leave a note here, thanks in advance..
From: phbill@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Atari 800XL monitors and IBM<->AtariDOS disks - HELP !
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:51:35 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

robert@harlqn.co.uk (Robert Butterworth) writes:

> 
> Bear in mind that I've no idea what's going on in the 8bit world these days.
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Robert Butterworth
> robert@harlqn.co.uk
> Ta.

Then you might like to read some older messages about the new magazine, 
_Atari_Classics_.  Just came out!C

--                  |>|>                        Time flies like an arrow,
Bill Kendrick   :   |h|>ill@Cyberden.UUCP       But fruit flies like a
                                                banana! - Dr.Wh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: robert@harlqn.co.uk (Robert Butterworth)
Subject: Atari 800XL monitors and IBM<->AtariDOS disks - HELP !
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:26:30 GMT

Nice to see the 8bit systems going strong still.
Due to financial problems, I'm having to sell my PC and go back to using my
800XL.  I've been off the scene for years now, so I've got a few questions :

1.  What kind of colour monitors can I plug into the RGB port on the 800XL, how
much will they cost and where can I pick one up in the UK ?

2. Is it at all possible to get software that I've downloaded onto the PC's at
work via anonymous FTP, onto the atari.  I've got a bog standard 1050 drive (I
used to have a double density one but it blew up !), so I don't think I can use
proper double density disks (can I ?).

3. I've got a 200Mb Seagate ST1239A IDE drive left over from the PC.  How the
hell do I go about connecting it to the atari ?  Is it possible.

Bear in mind that I've no idea what's going on in the 8bit world these days.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Robert Butterworth
robert@harlqn.co.uk
Ta.
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: VBIs/DLIs as Proc's in Action!
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article qsgwVB4w165w@cyberden.uucp, phbill@cyberden.uucp () writes:
>
>But now, I've learned exactly how 
>multicolored text is done! (with Sync's)  (ie, say you had a Gr.2 mode 
>text line.. instead of bit-mapping it onto a gr.7 mode, and then DLI'ing 
>every line of it, you just do a facny DLI to the Gr.2 mode, which changes 
>the color not just at every display list line, but every scan line (that 
>you specify)!)

Be careful, this really eats up processor time.  Every time you do
a sync the CPU just sits there for the rest of the scan line.  A full
screen of this sort of thing will tie up the CPU for the entire frame,
leaving only the vblank period for processing.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
From: upendo@terapin.com (Earl Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: TV interface question
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:23:16 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <lv9qfkc@microsoft.com>, Christopher Rimple <crimp@microsoft.com>
writes:
>
>I've got my 800 connected to a television using an Atari "game/tv" 
>switchbox.  However, I've got a new tv that doesn't have twin VHF screw 
>connectors, just a coax connector.  Is there any way to use it as a 
>monitor for the 800?
>
>Chris
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Christopher Rimple       |  crimp@microsoft.com     |  One bad sector
> One Microsoft Way        |  (206) 936-5900 (voice)  |     can ruin
> Redmond, WA  98052  USA  |  (206) 936-7329 (fax)    |  your whole day
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

 If you go to Radio Shack,they have a TV/Game converter that will work.It hooks
up into the Coax Connector...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Atari 800 modem...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:38:37 GMT


     I am looking for a modem for one of my friend's atari 800.  Could
anyone please tell me where I can get one or has one for sale?  Please
reply by email since it is very infrquent that I read this newsgroup.
Thank-you very much.

                                                            -TKH '92
[.sig deleted]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: switzer@zeta.uleth.ca (Dean Switzer)
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:33:08 GMT

Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com writes:

>I'll compile a program with some globals & see if it's a problem with
>Sparta/Action! If I don't post back, it's not a problem. Just mucking
>around though, if you have actual code in the 1st Action! procedure
>PROC SDXdummy()
>PrintE("Goodby")
>RETURN
>It's executed even if it isn't called by Main(). Totally useless &
>irrelavant, but kinda interesting.

I didn't catch the beginning of the thread, what problem are you having
with action!, GLOBALS and sparta?
Speaking of action!, what ever happened to Russ Wetmore, action!'
author? He had a bbs in NY I think but it has been years since I called.
Is the ICD bbs still online?

Here's a test of old atari users memory banks, anyone out there remember
the pocket modem and the bbs that came with it?

Deano
--
Deano
* the guy with no sig *
Vc: (403) 329-3726
Internet: switzer@honte.uleth.ca
From: stevens@bucknell.edu (James E. Stevens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Computer Eyes or MIDI
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:09:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: macb07.stevens-131292140338
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University
NNTP-Posting-Host: macb07.bucknell.edu


     I'm an avid Atari 8-bit fan with a video camera and would like to know
if anyone has or has access to the old digitizing program "Computer Eyes". 
This program was sold in a complete package a few years back.  Since I
already have the video camera, I think I just need the digitizing program. 
Can anybody give some advice?  I also am in search of a MIDI program to
allow me to hook up my keyboard to my Atari.  Any Help??  Please either
post or e-mail me sometime soon as it would be nice to find out some info
before Christmas.  Thanks to any and all in advance!

==============================================================================
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=   email: stevens@bucknell.edu             Kappa Delta Rho                
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: XF551 price
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:51:04 GMT

If those are brand new drives, the price sounds about right.  I wouldn't pay
that much for a used drive, but I have no idea what prices are like in Germany.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969)
Subject: Re: SX-212 1200bd modem for sale
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:11:39 GMT

Contact BEST Electronics at 408/243-6950 or via US mail at: 2021 The
Alameda Suite 290, San JOSE, CA 95126
-----
Posted by BBS User: James King
Mail Path: uplherc.upl.com!neb!bbs!1fa
-- 
Nebula - A Public Access Unix System/bbs - (801)-572-4969 v.32/v.42(bis)/PEP
From: Amos.Jackson@f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Amos Jackson)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: 850 Interface
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 07:43:00 -0600

Having an MIO myself, I know that you should be able to turn the line feeds off
within the MIO configuration menu, then turn them on with your dip switch on the
printer.
 
Amos Jackson

 * Origin: FlightLine BBS {MSP}MN USRdual 612-544-5118 (1:282/47)
From: aa700@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Current)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: XEP80 as a printer port, Standard connector? HELP!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:09:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa700@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Current)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) says:

>Anyway, when I try to print from various programs, BASIC etc.
> nothing happens. (I've loaded the XEP handler first, holding down shift
>to supress 80 col. mode).

Did you try it WITH the 80 column screen loaded?
-- 
         Michael Current, Cleveland Free-Net 8-bit Atari SIGOp
Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA / UUCP: ...!umn-cs!ccnfld!currentm
      Internet: currentm@carleton.edu / Cleveland Free-Net: aa700
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.8bit:5587 comp.sys.atari.st:18399
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Apology:  True Colour *IS* great for games.
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

A while back I said that bit-plane modes are better than the word-per-pixel
modes, for speed of sprite drawing, and TrueColour (word-per-pixel) would
be best used just for title screens.  bzzt - I was wrong.


I did some calculations and coding on the weekend, and it turns out that
TrueColour (word-per-pixel) is actually VERY good for games.  I expect
that a game using the Falcon 320x240 truecolor mode will be around twice
the speed of the same game written on an ST using Low resolution, simply
due to the CPU speed.  And a LOT prettier (65536 colours vs. 16).

    ie. drawing sprites in TrueColour is as fast as drawing them
        in 4 bitplane mode.  

Plus, sound processing will have a MUCH lower cpu overhead on the Falcon,
so games will gain speed there (and sound a lot better!)

The reason why TrueColour is so good for games is that no shifting is
required, plus only the area actually drawn on needs to be accessed (and
hence stored for wiping purposes).


--
Warwick
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 /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /  
 \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /   C references are NULL && void*
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:18573 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:6323
From: wsbusr3@rwc.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Filius)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: GFA 3.07: RESERVE XX; EXEC 0,"prg"; RESERVE - help.
Keywords: Help, resident prg, executing others, reserve memory, how
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusr3@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st


  Hello regular posters and occasional lurkers of this group, 
  
  For those more than vaguely interested in GFA 3.XX, better yet:
  heavily involved in it, 
  hear me cry:
 
  I simply wish to execute any specified program, 
  chosen via a fileselector box from my application, 
  whilst keeping my application resident.
  
  There. Pretty simple really. My Data-Becker manual tells me to use: 
 
  RESERVE <some amount of memory>
  EXEC 0,"SOME.PRG","",""
  RESERVE 
 
  in which the last RESERVE should reset things as they were.
  
  Since the RESERVE command as such is sort of obscure to me
  (HOW would *I* know what's needed for the application of John Doe's choice)
  I simply type RESERVE 1. 
  Yes.
  One byte. Just to make EXEC happy, which won't work when I'd leave out
  a RESERVE command before it.
  Does it work?
  Well: for most applications it does. Yet not for all, which irritates me.
  Sometimes, upon returning to my resident application, 
  the last RESERVE yields a "* error in RESERVE" message.
  
  QUESTIONS:
  * Did anyone ever play with those commands before?
  * How would I go about using the RESERVE command sensibly, 
    not knowing what to reserve for an unknown program?
  
  Anyone who can stop GFA 3.07 from telling the world what a lousy programmer
  I am; please respond to:
  at073@cleveland.freenet.edu
  or just to this newsgroup.
 
  Thanks in advance!
  
  With kind regards, 
  Rowdy Blokland. (The Netherlands)
From: ph9991_imm@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP! TOS Error 35! Augggh!
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:00:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Dec10.143511.3623@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, dud@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (William F. Dudley Jr.) writes:
 
> I've gotten a number of responses like this, and folks, you're missing the
> point.  There has been no damage done to the files that give tos error 35,
> they just suddenly stopped working when I added more memory.  The stupid
> floppies were in a box in another room when I soldered the memory in,
> so the files haven't been corrupted!  You could almost convince me that
> subtle memory flakies are causing the load image to be corrupted at load
> time, but I have trouble buying that since so many programs work correctly,
> and I assume that, for a given machine with a given set of accessories
> loaded, all "transient" (to borrow a term from CPM days) programs load
> at the same address.
> 
>  
> P.S. the FAQ's information on this point is nearly worthless, to whit:
> 
> '	Invalid program load format....-66..........35
> 
> The last code is the infamous "TOS error 35"!			 '
> 
> One wonders why it is so infamous if it is due to corrupted executable
> files.  Surely there can't be so much damage to files in the Atari world?
> 
	By the way Bill, has customer service at ATARI been any help?

	Just asking...

Lawrence Imm
larry.o.imm@uwrf.edu
From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:08:07 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith) writes:

>MultiTOS will certainly be available for any 68030 equipped Atari
>machine (TT, Falcon, or ST with a 68030 upgrade board). It has not
>yet been decided whether a 68000 version will be available; 68000s
>don't have an MMU (so memory protection isn't possible) and also
>are rather slow for doing serious multitasking, so I would really
>recommend a 68030 for MultiTOS.

It's true, MultiTOS is slow on STs. But we developed (!) programs on
the ST using MultiTOS. So it is not too slow. (It is faster than
Windows on a 386SX I think).

There are some hundred thousand ST's out there in the world. Why should any 
programmer use MultiTOS's new features like pipes, submenues and so on if
this would mean, that these programs will never work on all these STs?!

-- 
Harald Schoenfeld (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:42:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world,local
  <1992Dec10.164600.4097@arizona.edu>
  <1992Dec11.132058.25810@informatik.uni-bremen.de> <61637@aurs01.UUCP>

Hmmm..!   Jonathon Whitcomb made a rather interesting observation:

>I play with two joysticks and have gotten to about level 60 a couple of
>times (no droid).  I've noticed that I've NEVER seen an invincibility
>power-up in two joystick mode.  Is this a bug/feature, or have I just
>been incredibly unlucky?
 
As a matter of fact, I just recently noticed that I NEVER see the
"3-Way" powerups playing in 1 joystick/Droid mode...
 
I do get Invincibility powerups all the time..

(Unfortunately I took apart the 2 joystick setup I'd made for the
8-bit version of "Star Dungeon", and can't keep 2 joysticks from
slipping around enough to play Llamatron..)
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st