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From: mac@ur.utk.edu (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: I'm Off to the Keys
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:57:48 GMT

All riiiiight!  Just got the go ahead for a month off in Dec./Jan.  Gonna
take my little outboard to my favorite fishin' camp in the Keys and hunker
down to fish, read, fish, drink beer, fish, swim, fish, drink beer, and
fish.  Oh yeah, I'm gonna fish some also.

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From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Keywords: TOP TEN
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:22:12 GMT

I am an avid steelheader and it was amusing reading the postings on this as I
assume it was on a none serious level.
To actually catch my first steelhead I sank $130 for the equipment (for long
rod, waders, vest). It was fun but addictive. I bought a float reel ($200)
and neoprane waders ($200). The waders do not allow me to catch more fish but
I believe the float reel does as most of my fishing is done drifting a pool
and the drag (your palm) on a float reel is excitng/easier to fight a fish.
I also bought a longer rod ($130) and plan to buy a longer one next year.
I still use my original vest and my original rod is retired to other types
of fishing. I know I did not have to get the extras but I have to admit it
is more exciting with my new equipement that with my old. I guess it is 
comparable to buying a Honda Civic CRX to a Corvette. As for tackle, not
much money is spent in this area as I use mainly roe, worms, flies, a few
lures. My glasses cost me $100 for perscription lense with polarization and
are worth every penny ( I've seem people fish pools with no fish in it, not
even minnows, and I've seen people walk by the pool I was at not knowing that
if they had glasses they would see the 40+more steelhead in the pool).
-- 
Richard Park	
Xref: sparky rec.outdoors.fishing:1280 alt.fishing:3085
From: DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Setting the hook?
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:56:42 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Nov19.005543.9988@nevada.edu> funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
>From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
>Subject: Setting the hook?
>Date: 19 Nov 92 00:55:43 GMT
 
Deletion

>I have a 1/0 hook (I think, tackle box isn't handy to check), with half an
>anchovie hooked to it.  I get a bite, but when do I set the hook?  As soon
>as I feel the fish?  a second later?  Do I not set the hook at all?
> 
>I must've lost 5 fish because I can't figure out when to set the hook.
>Please help!


First, take the 1/0 hook with the half anchovie hooked to it out of your 
tackel box.

I am afraid that you are learning why impatient people seldom make good 
fishermen.  Experience is really the only thing that will teach you when to 
set a  hook in a specific situation.  Unfortunately, situations never stay 
the same long enough to acquire adequate experience.  Even so, if you keep 
fishing you will not only learn, as well as anyone can, when to set the 
hook, you will also learn that missing a few fish doesn't make much 
difference.
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From: jmd@tyrolia.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: nymph colors: fly tying
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:56:07 GMT

In article <15443@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.145659.3182@csservices.Princeton.EDU> jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU writes:
|> ...  Remember this is 
|> a searching pattern.  Once you find the right color and size there could
|> be other flys in your box of the same size that work as well.
							^^^^^^^^^
							I'm not switching unless
							they work better!


OK. I'll bite. What is a searching pattern? I've heard this phrase before,
but I haven't figured it out yet. Do you fish with a searching pattern until you
start catching fish and then switch to something else? I can't imagine really
wanting to switch after I started catching fish unless I've examined some
stomach contents. Is that the idea? 

My guess:

Use an indeterminate pattern to catch a fish. Stomach pump it, or conduct and
autopsy,  or whatever and find out what it mistook your fly for. Switch to
the "right" fly, and catch a bunch of fish.

????


|> 
|> -- 
|> +==========================================================================+
|> | John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
|> | johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
|> +==========================================================================+


-- 
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(609) 258-5386			|
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From: jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow)
Subject: Re: Fishing line Poll (Ande? NOT!!!)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:44:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
Keywords: Get your votes in

In <2062@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> miljan@server.uwindsor.ca (MILJAN  RICHARD JOSEPH   ) writes:

>Ande monofilament?  Isn't that the stuff that Cabela's sells in 1/4 and
>1/2 pound spools for really cheap prices?  The stuff is junk!!  I bought

Get your facts straight. Cabela's has their "House" brand that is made
in Germany (like Ande). To my knowledge it is *not* Ande. The same
"brand" made reels for Cabela's. There seems to be many German line
mfgs. (Ande, Maxima, etc)

After having varying luck with Tri_max, and OK luck with Stren, I have
switched hard to Ande. (Nearly all saltwater fishing, 4-15 # test)

The main reason: I keep fresh line on my reels, and most other companies
do not provide spools with 250+ yds like Ande does. I think Trilene is
the only other line I can find regularly in 1/4# spools.

All of my reels hold over 200 yds, and I refuse to buy (2) 175 yd spools
to spool one reel.

I respool before each Florida trip (3-4 weeks of fishing a year), and have not 
had a lost fish due to obvious line failure since. I have had obvious
failure with Trimax. (Obvious as in repeatable.)

Ande is not expensive line, but in Florida it is the most commonly used
line by guides and offshore types. (and not because it is the cheapest.
A lost fish may cost these guys $100 in tips.)

It knots nicely, seems to perform as well as Stren and Trilene in the
other areas. (Abrasion, Limpness, etc)

I had mixed results with the copolymer lines for bonefish, and due to
the cost and spooling issues, I will not try them again soon.

Ande also claims to hold more IGFA records than any other line if you
believe their adds. Their IGFA lines are rated differently of course.
(Per earlier responses, they are weaker if anything)

It works for me! Use what you want.

BTW, SA Mastery lines for flyfishing, with Mason or Maxima leaders.
Courtland backing.


 Alan Barrow  km4ba | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack
 jab@atl.hp.com     | ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched
                    | C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
 ..!gatech!kd4nc!   | All those moments will be lost in time -
         km4ba!alan | like tears in rain. Time to die.          Roy Batty
From: dbbergac@sanluis (Dave Bergacker)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing info requested, 4 corners area
Date: 21 Nov 1992 22:29:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
NNTP-Posting-Host: sanluis.uccs.edu
Summary: Info Requested
Keywords: San Juan, 4 Corners
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi There,  I and my wife will be in the 4 Corners area for a week or two
around X-mass.  We are looking for info. about fishing in the area, or in
Northern Ariz. / N.M.  Any directions, or tips from people who know the
fishing in winter would be appreciated. We'd like to hook up with some
fish in the San Juan esp. as we both fly-fish, but have never been there.
Thanks in advance.


--
Thanks,
	Dave Bergacker dbbergac@uccs.edu
The opinions expressed are not those of UCCS, nor should they be.
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From: v034292@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (A Steaming Swedge of Chocolate Squidloaf)
Subject: Flies for Sale
Organization: StorageTek
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:28:08 GMT


 First off, let me thank all the concerned souls who talked me out of selling
all my fly-fishing gear.  Those of you who made offers, I'm sorry.

BUT things are still very tight, so I have decided to try to start a little
mail-order fly-tying business here.  If this is a breach of net-etiquette or
worse, illegal, I'm sure someone will let me know.

Anyway, my ties are very good quality standard nymphs, I'm offering at $1.00
per, 10's thru 22's, anything larger, $1.20.  I'll pay postage.  
Patterns include:

- Stonefly Nymph, Golden, Brown, & Black

- Caddis Larvae

- Emergent Caddis

- Pheasant Tail Nymph

- Soft Hackles

- Midge Larvae

- Brassie

- Hare's Ear ('natural', dk natural, grey, brown, black, others)

- Anything else, email me and I'll see if I can do it (probably can)

Email me, and I'll send out a free sample.
Alot of these I have already tied up, but if you want bulk, I tie at a rate of
about 2 dozen/night.  So give me that much time, and I'll mail 'em out next
day.

Hope there's some interest!!
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Fishing Report: Pacific Ocean (from shore)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:16:27 GMT

In article <1ebhjtINNn65@agate.berkeley.edu> markh@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Mark Hurwitz) writes:
>
>	There were quite a few shore-fishermen, mostly using medium weight
>equipment (not heavy duty surf rods) to cast grubby, bass-lure-like things
>with sliding sinkers.  I don't really understand why sliding sinkers were
>being used, as the technique was simply to cast and retrieve (seems to me
>they didn't need the sliding part of the sliding sinker rig).  But I digress.
>
>	The goal, apparently, was to catch surf perch.  

This technique has become popular in the last few years, with motor oil-
colored grubs 1-2 inches in length putting a good dent in the surf perch
population.  If you enjoy surf fishing and get to fish the warmer beach
areas, it's a super way to go, whether you catch anything or not!

I've caught perch, croakers, corbina and halibut with grubs, mostly fishing
along the Santa Monica Bay shoreline.  The sliding sinker rig isn't a neces-
sity to grub-fish, but it makes it easier to change leaders to bait-fish if
desired.
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Outcome of Oregon GillNet Refferendum sought?
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:24:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Hawaii


Aynone know the outcome of the Oregon Gillnet Referendom of Nov 3rd?


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    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
From: whitsebd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bryan D Whitsell)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Wanted Oregon fishing reports
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:07:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: whitsebd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bryan D Whitsell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-25.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I would like any Oregon fishing reports.

Thanks.

Bryan Whitsell

e-mail whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Re: nymph colors: fly tying
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:54:22 GMT

In article <85370005@hpscit.sc.hp.com> spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes) writes:
>Ok, I gotta know. What is the correct net.fly.fishing way to stomach
>pump a trout? I'm sure it has to be more technical than just stomping
>on him.
>
>Bill
>
>Splat !!!
>
>
>

Har Har!  Since most fishing shops which are not exclusively fly shops
could care less about what bugs are in a fish's stomach, you'll probably
have to go to one of your local, well-stocked, fly shops.  They sell
these little stomach pumping gadgets made from a flexible tube and a
rubber bulb...kinda like a small turkey baster!  You just gently hold
the fish (use wet hands if you're releasing it), squeeze the bulb,
place the tube just far enough into the fish's throat so it seals
around the tube, then let go of the bulb...voila!  A tube full of dark
grubby stuff and gravel!  Let the fish go, and examine the grubby stuff 
(yum!).

Brian D.
From: DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Just Say 'AAArgrghh'
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:43:36 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <BxywDu.HAw@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
>Subject: Just Say 'AAArgrghh'
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:32:17 GMT
>    I think stomach pumping is a little extreme. If flies are hatching
>you should be able to find them on the water. If not, you should be
>able to find nymphs under stones. If none of the above, use you
>powers of deduction (Swag it). Minimizing the handling of a fish
>is important in C&R survival rates. Ramming a pump down the fish's
>throat is not minimal handling, although I suppose it will ensure
>the existence of at least one hungry fish in the brook. IMHO fly
>fishermen have a little too much tendency to confuse a river with
>a biology lab. If you simply must see the stomach contents, kill
>it quickly, slit the intestines. then eat it (well, cook it first).
>Otherwise release the fish without removing it from the water.
>
>
>                                         jc in snowy me.

Couldn't agree more!

DGA
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From: jmd@tyrolia.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: nymph colors: fly tying
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:40:40 GMT

In article <85370005@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes) writes:
|> Ok, I gotta know. What is the correct net.fly.fishing way to stomach
|> pump a trout? I'm sure it has to be more technical than just stomping
|> on him.
|> 
|> Bill
|> 
|> Splat !!!
|> 
|> 
|> 

You can buy little trout stomach pumps which look like tiny turkey basters
(for less than $5 I think, even from Orvi$).
You fill it 1/4 full of water, insert into trout so the end goes about 1/3
the length of the trout (remember, we don't want to kill it), squeeze the water
out (to stir up the stomach contents), and release the bulb to pick up whatever
you've stirred up. Now you can release the trout and dump the stuff into a
jar lid for close inspection. 

Remember, trout eat little things mostly. This
wouldn't work for bass where you might be trying to decide between imitating a
baby  duck or a baby loon (depends what's hatching).

-- 
John Danskin			|
(609) 258-5386			|
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re : favorite lines
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:18:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


I guess my favorite fishing line would have to be the old
standby : "Hi, fish here often ?" Oh, *that* kind of line...
oh sorry..well for fly line my favorite is the old Cortland
444SSL Intermediate WF line, not the big game taper, just the
regular stuff (ice blue).
For leader material I too have been converted to the Orvis
"Super Strong". The 60 lb. test is only .023 and makes a
nice shock tippet.

                            jc in me.
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From: king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king)
Subject: Re: I'm Off to the Keys
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:38:58 GMT
Summary: stop to talk to Fred

> In article <mac.111@ur.utk.edu> mac@ur.utk.edu (Richard J. McDougald) writes:
> >From: mac@ur.utk.edu (Richard J. McDougald)
> >Subject: I'm Off to the Keys
> >Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:57:48 GMT
> >All riiiiight!  Just got the go ahead for a month off in Dec./Jan.  Gonna
> >take my little outboard to my favorite fishin' camp in the Keys and hunker
> >down to fish, read, fish, drink beer, fish, swim, fish, drink beer, and
> >fish.  Oh yeah, I'm gonna fish some also.

Stop at Holiday Isle Marina, at the end of the dock, at the Islamorada
Lady slip.  Talk to Captain Fred.  Tell him his wife sent you.  He'll
know the latest hot spots in the backcountry.  I may be there by then (Sorry,
Scott, I won't make it by Thanksgiving...have a great time...Fred expects
you, as you know, and I told him that if you didn't have a good time HE
will suffer and all you husbands know what that means!).  

Both of you please stop by the Florida Keys Wild Bird Rehab Center
on the way south (about milemarker 93.5, Bay side).  Visitors are welcome,
and the new center is thriving...about to install a solar-powered pumping
station that will provide recirculating sea water through all the flight
cages...we're excited.  For your trouble, you'll get to see many of the
species of birds who reside, all the time or only when the rest of us are
freezing, in the Keys.  Roseatte spoonbills, great white herons, blue herons,
osprey, reddish egrets, white-crowned pigeons...it's really worth your time.

Oh, and I know you don't need it, but please pass along a little reminder to
the others at the fish camp...pack out anything you pack in, and be 
especially careful of monofilament, the number one killer of birds in the
Keys, and other plastics.  For every bird that is found, wrapped in mono,
injured, starving, and saved at the Center, many more die unaided.  Sea
turtles and other marine life suffer, too.  I don't think that the people
who read this newsgroup need to hear it, but if all of us repeat it to
others who might not be as careful, we could save a lot of lives.

Commercial over...have a GREAT time.


-- 
                       Joyce Andrews King

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From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Re: Setting the hook?
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:28:29 GMT

In article <DENNIS_.37.0@NCSU.EDU> DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.005543.9988@nevada.edu> funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
>>From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
>>Subject: Setting the hook?
>>Date: 19 Nov 92 00:55:43 GMT
> 
>Deletion
>
>>I have a 1/0 hook (I think, tackle box isn't handy to check), with half an
>>anchovie hooked to it.  I get a bite, but when do I set the hook?  As soon
>>as I feel the fish?  a second later?  Do I not set the hook at all?
>> 
>>I must've lost 5 fish because I can't figure out when to set the hook.
>>Please help!
>
>
>First, take the 1/0 hook with the half anchovie hooked to it out of your 
>tackel box.

    What do you mean by this?  Is this sarcasm and I just don't have a sense
of humor or what?

>
>I am afraid that you are learning why impatient people seldom make good 
>fishermen.  Experience is really the only thing that will teach you when to 

   I consider myself very patient, and have caught many fish, just not using
anchovies.  I don't seem to have a problem setting the hook when I'm using
live shad with the same size hook.


>set a  hook in a specific situation.  Unfortunately, situations never stay 
>the same long enough to acquire adequate experience.  Even so, if you keep 
>fishing you will not only learn, as well as anyone can, when to set the 
>hook, you will also learn that missing a few fish doesn't make much 
>difference.

  Missing a few fish doesn't make a differenc, except when you've been out 
there for 4 hours and haven't been able to catch anything.  Of course, it's
also very very cold out too.
 



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From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Re: Setting the hook?
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.005543.9988@nevada.edu>
funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
 
>
>
> First, the setting:  Willow beach, Lake Mohave, Arizona.  Night fishing for
>stripers.
>
>I have a 1/0 hook (I think, tackle box isn't handy to check), with half an
>anchovie hooked to it.  I get a bite, but when do I set the hook?  As soon
>as I feel the fish?  a second later?  Do I not set the hook at all?
>
>I must've lost 5 fish because I can't figure out when to set the hook.
>Please help!
>
 
When using live bait I have most all of the time had to let the fish run
for about 3 to 10 seconds.  Different kinds of fish and even the same
fish but different locations behave a little different.  Experiement a
little with the timing.  I don't like to let the fish go very long
because they will swollow the hook.  Check with others in the area
on what they do.
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From: barga@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Roger S. Barga)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing line preferences
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:12:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46112
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

For casting rods with level wind reels I prefer Maxima line.  It is a
little stiffer than most other brands, which seems to help reduce line
slap when casting.  It has also proven itself to be a real strong line
that is resistant to abraison.  So, I'm not too concerened about "under
fishing" with Maxima (I was using #14 test for fall chinook), and have 
had more than one fish swim along undercuts and after landing them I was
suprised that as badly as the line was checked and scuffed up it still 
held up.

For spinning rods I prefer Stren.  It has a relatively small diameter
and limp so that it winds easily on a spinning reel without too much
memory.  I usually use heavier lines with spinning tackle so I can't
say too much about strength.

Berkeley Trilene - arghhh!  I made the mistake of replacing my line 
mid-season with Trilene (they were out of Maxima) without increasing
the pound-test rating.  I lost three fall chinook due to the line 
simply snapping.  Last summer I went summer steelhead fishing and once
again I bought the wrong line - #6 Trilene.  Again, I lost fish due
to line breaks while other fishermen were landing them on the same 
pound-test or lighter - they were both using Maxima.

- Roger.

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