From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:10:53 GMT


In article <21166@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

|> I am too, but this is not the case at hand.  I simply said gay couples 
|> shouldn't raise straight children 'cause white families can raise black 
|> children, and if we are to apply and equal standard to all, then gays shouldn't 
|> be privileged with raising children, since white folks can't teach kids "what 
|> is is to feel black", gays won't be able to teach their kids "what it is to 
|> feel gay".  As far as I'm concerned I have no problems with whites and gays 
|> adopting whatever kids they want, but since a standard or reverse 
|> discrimination is being applied against whites, I guess the same standard 
|> should be applied uniformly to all.

This has to be one of the stupidest things I've
read in a long time.  Combined with your babblings
about the 14th Amendment, it leads me to believe
that this discussion is pointless.

|> >And in Colorado, there is now an amendment in
|> >the state constitution that disallows gay people from suing when they
|> >have been fired or evicted _simply_ for being gay (forget that otherwise
|> >they were ideal workers or tenants, etc.).  
|> 
|> No, no, no.  Of course they can sue, they just have to prove they have been 
|> subject to discrimination and retaliation and that they have been treated 
|> unequally before the law.  Perhaps they won't have the entire affirmative 
|> action divisions (i.e., special civil rights offices) of our federal government 
|> behind their case, but they have the right to sue and, if they get good 
|> attorney's and have a good case they'll probably win.

Totally and completely wrong.  

|> >Gay people can no longer
|> >sue in that state if they are fired, evicted, etc.,  simply for being gay.
|> >This would probably be fine with you because gays don't deserve the
|> >freedoms you have, apparently.
|> 
|> Again, you are mistaken.  Furthermore, gays have exactly the same freedoms I 
|> have.  Now please note that you have not commented on my posting which states 
|> that in LA gays have no freedom and are treated UNEQUALLY before the law.

You can get married.  I can't.  

|> Of course I do, here's a sampler of the ones I enjoy:
|> 
|> 
|> Freedom of expression
|> Freedom of association
|> Freedom of the press
|> Equal treatment before the law
|> Presumption of innocence
|> Right to counsel
|> Right to privacy
|> etc.
|> 
|> Homosexuals enjoy exactly the same rights, its that they have a strong lobby 
|> (and lawyers) just like Cuban-Americans, which help them to enforce them.

In many places in the US, I can be imprisoned for
consensual sex with the person of my choice, while
a heterosexual couple would not be.  Doesn't sound
like equal treatment to me.  And the Supreme Court
has upheld the rights of states to make such laws.

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