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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:22:39 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology

I somehow got dragged to a Yud-Tet Kislev fahrbrengen last night.  (I
don't drink, so much of the chassidic yontif escapes my comprehension.)
The Lubavitch rabbi was telling a frierderker rebbe story about what
is the difference between a chasid and a misnaggid, and how it wasn't
this, and it wasn't that, and so on and so on.  At some point, I couldn't
stand it any longer, so I told a misnagid story (the one about Rav Moshe
Feinstein and his choosing one of three cartons of milk after carefully
inspecting each--his bocherim were trying to figure out what the kashrus
angle could be, but it turned out to be he was only looking for the
freshest milk).  Having told the story, with everyone wondering why,
I took a cholov yisroel carton out of the refrigerator, and said that
this explains the difference between chassidim and misnagids.  The
chassid double checks the heksher, and the misnagid double checks
the expiration date.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: scruggs@zeus.franklin.edu (Kevin Scruggs)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:35:48 GMT

In article <9212151637.AA05506@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
>On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:16:30 GMT, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) said:
>
> > There's a difference between the US and Canada in that in the US there
> > is supposed to be a separation of Church and State.  (I know, tell
> > that to the Supreme Court!)  Using public property for religious
> > displays, be they creches, menorahs, crosses, etc, is clearly
> > unconstitutional (and one day the Supreme Court will take its
> > Christian blinders off and realize it).
>
>	Ummm.
>
>	Well, the concept of "separation of Church and State" is an
>artifact of Supreme Court decisions through the years.  All the
>Constitution says is that there will be no religious tests for holders
>of public office (I'm tempted to say "elected officials" here, but I
>don't have a source to check handy).  Should the Supreme Court choose to
>change their current interpretation, the "separation" idea goes out the
>window. 
>
>	Even this ban seems only applicable at the federal level.  Many
>(most?) state constitutions require officeholders at least acknowledge
>that they believe in G-d; some (like Maryland, I think) even go so far
>as to state that holders affirm J*s*s.
>
> > The Lubavitch, by putting their fershtunkiner menorahs up on public
> > property all over, helps destroy the case of the rational Jewish
> > community and paves the way for the KKK.
>
>	Amazing logic, I must say.
>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Anyway."
	Actually, the constitution states that no laws shall be made that either support religion. And as far as this only being applicable on the federal 
level, there are other parts of the bill of rights that have been extended 
below federal jurisdiction most notably those which are enumerated to you when 
you are arrested (miranda).

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From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: SHMITA (was:kibbutz Chafetz Chaim in NY Times)
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:51:10 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
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In article <mannj.724034141@acf9>, mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann) writes:
|> There was an article about kibbutz Chafetz Chaim in today's (Dec 10) NY
|> Times.  Next year is the shmita (sabbatical) year, and Chafetz Chaim is
|> getting prepared.  Unlike most other kibbutzim, even the religious ones,
|> Chafetz Chaim does no planting during the shmita year.

Wrong. All GUSH Katif is ready for the SHMITA (no selling of land).


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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Don't waste your time
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:37:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

To all the so-called Jews who defend their right
to mock the Jewish people: Don't waste your time
on sending me e-mail -- I'll be out of your hair 
for a month.  

Merry Christmas
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Why do I get jokes for replies?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:22:14 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <Dec14.232819.66004@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>Everytime I post in this newsgroup I get stupid jokes for answers.

Hmm.  Since many people seem to find this newsgroup a source of information,
perhaps it's your questions that are being perceived as stupid.

My mom always said, "You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer".

>Yes, I know, this is supposed to be a Jewish custom, but it's frustrating
>when I'm trying to be serious and I get a bunch of idiotic jokes that
>vaguely have anything to do with the subject.

More seriously, Mitch, some of your questions sound pretty leading.  And as
for the nose myth question (your most recent one, as I recall), it's like a
lot of other myths--worms in the McDonald's hamburgers, the $250 cookie at
Neiman-Marcus.  No one really knows how they started, and no one thinks they're
important enough to go back and archive.  Ergo, the silly answers.

>IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION, MOVE ON!
>	
>I keep hearing Jackie Mason answering my questions . If you don't want
>stereotypes about Jews , i.e. , the old man speaking with a Yiddush accent,
>then cut it out already.

What, and Jews-with-big-noses-named-Cohen-but-not-Smith isn't a stereotype?
Lighten up a wee bit.

>
>Mitchell Kotler
From: chr04ha@vmsa.technion.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Christmas and Khanukah
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:21:59 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

In article <U0W9B1N@glasnost.de>, mic@glasnost.de (Michael Czollek) writes:
> Geboren ward in Bethlehem
> Ein Kindlein aus dem Stamme Sem.
> Und ist es auch schon lange her
> Dass es in Windeln lag
> So freun sich doch die Menschen sehr
> Bis auf den heut'gen Tag:
> Minister und Agrarier
> Bourgeois und Proletarier
> Es feiert jeder Arier
> Zur gleichen Zeit und ueberall
> Die Christgeburt im Rindviehstall.
> Das Volk allein, dem das geschah
> Das feiert lieber Chanukah.
> 
> Excuse me, but I hadn't a english translation for this poetic, what was 
> written
> by the jewish writer
> 
> Erich Muehsam.
>
>
>Shalom and Mazl tow
>
>micha
>

It's been many years since I last tried my hand at writing or translating 
doggerel but here goes:

Geboren ward in Bethlehem		  There was born in Bethlehem
Ein Kindlein aus dem Stamme Sem.	  An infant of the tribe of Shem.
Und ist es auch schon lange her 	  And ever since that ancient date
Dass es in Windeln lag			  When he in diapers lay
So freun sich doch die Menschen sehr	  All men and women celebrate
Bis auf den heut'gen Tag:		  Until this very day.
Minister und Agrarier			  Farmer and seminarian,
Bourgeois und Proletarier		  Bourgeois and proletarian,
Es feiert jeder Arier			  Each and every Aryan
Zur gleichen Zeit und ueberall		  Where'er he is upon this earth
Die Christgeburt im Rindviehstall.	  Observes with joy the manger birth.
Das Volk allein, dem das geschah	  Only his kin, those of his race,
Das feiert lieber Chanukah.		  Celebrate Chanukah in its place.


 Amitai
 *---------------------------------------------------------------*
 | E.A. Halevi, Department of Chemistry, Technion - I.I.T.       |     
 | "Mipnei seiva takum, vehadarta pnei zaken" - Leviticus 19, 32 |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------*

> 
> mic@glasnost.de
> --
> Ich habe Drachen gesaet und Floehe geerntet.
>						Karl Marx
From: dmoore@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Daniel B Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Urgent Appeal-Jerusalem Rabbi Mistakenly Arrested!
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:52:00 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


A well respected Rabbi from Jerusalem has 
been arrested along with his brother recently 
in California. Because the charges are 
ridiculous, many important figures are helping 
to gain their release, such as Senator Arlen 
Specter of Pennsylvania, the Simon Wiesenthal 
Center, Alan Dershowitz, Lincoln Square 
Synagogue, the Lubavicher Rebbe and Rabbi 
Shlomo Riskin. Due to a series of mistakes, 
such as the Israeli Consulate writing that the 
Rabbi's brother has a criminal record, their bail 
has been set at an unattainable $750,000 each. 
As a result they have been in jail for the past 
two weeks. At this point their hope is through 
legal means. Each needs $60,000 in lawyer's 
fees by this Monday (December 21). Although 
this Rabbi has five children and not much money, 
an urgent appeal has gone out by people who 
know him, such as myself, and has so far raised 
$80-90,000. If you have the ability to contribute 
to this Rabbi who has dedicated his life to the 
mitzva of helping Jews in need, call me for more
information-(212) 260-3978. The money that 
you pledge will be layed out in advance of its 
receipt because it needs to be wired this Monday. 
Tizku l'mitzvot!
 
--Douglas B. Moore 
New York, New York
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: RE: covenants
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:11:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

A short while back, I posted about the first "covenant" between G-D
and Abraham, where he cut numerous animals in half, and God walked
between them, affirming a covenant.  I have gotten many requests for
the exact source, so here it is:

Genesis 15:

7: And he said to him, I am the L-RD that brought thee out of
   Ur-Kasdim, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8: And he said, L-RD G-D, by what shall I know that I shall inherit it?
9: And he said to him, take me a heifer three years old, and a goat
   three years old, and a ram three years old, and a turtledove, and a
   young pigeon
10: And he took to him all these, and divided them in the midst, and
    laid each half against the other, but the birds, he divided not.
11: And the eagle came down upon the carcasses, and Avram drove them
    away. 
12: And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Avram;
    and, lo, a horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13: And he said to Avram, know surely that thy seed shall be a
    stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall server them; and
    they shall afflict them four hundred years.
14: And also that nation, whom they shall server, I will judge, and
    afterwards, they shall come out with great substance.
15: And thou shall go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in
    a good old age.
16: But in the fourth generation, they shall come back here, for the
    iniquity of te Emori is not yet full.
17: And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was
    dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning torch that passed
    between those pieces.
18: In the same day, the L-RD made a covenant with Avram, saying, to
    thy seed I have given this land, from the river of Mizraim to the
    great river, the river Perat.
19: The Qeni, and the Qenizi, and the Qadmoni.
20: And the Hitti, and the Perizi, and the Refa'im
21: And the Emori, and the Kena`ani, and the Girgashi, and the Yevusi.

...

This is where G-D promised the land of Kena`an to Abraham and his
descendants.  Later on, in chapter 17, God tells Abraham that he and
his children have been chosen to receive the Torah, and commands him
to circumcise himself, his household, and his children as a perpetual
sign of the covenant.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: adult B.Mitzvah (was Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:30:11 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Dec15145142@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org
(Daniel P. Faigin) writes:

>I find Adult Bar Mitzvahs to be much more meaningful than a child's Bar
>Mitzvah. About a year or so ago, I attended the Adult Bat Mitzvah of a fellow
>netter (Hi Andrea!) and found it to be extremely meaningful -- more so than
>most 13 year old's BM's I attend. I remember about 10 years ago when a dear
>friend of mine -- in her 60s -- had her Adult Bat Mitzvah at Wilshire Blvd
>Temple. Again, extremely meaningful.

Hmmmm.  When I see a boy get up and flawlessly layn the full Parsha, then
go on to the Haftorah, and lead Musaf (Shacharit, any other services, and
speech optional), I see proud parents  and community.  I see someone who
will not be a break in our rich heritage.

About the most I get out of adult ceremonies is a sense of relief: better
late than never for a start of a Jewish education.  After all, a Bar/Bat
Mitzvah is not much more than notification that it's time to start adult
Jewish education.  More likely, though, I sense a combination of adults
looking for a stage and an attempt to (re)live childhood.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: To all Jews: STOP the negative Jewish
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:14:25 GMT

madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes: >>
>yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Art Yaffe) wrote: >> >
>emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes: >> >>
>madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >> >> >
>>> >
>>> >>   Jews like to argue
>>> >
>>> >They do not!
>>> 
>>> Do SO!
>>
>>DO NOT!

>This isn't an argument!  It's just contradiction!

>IS NOT!

>It is so!  An argument is a carefully reasoned
>series of propositions leading to a conclusion!

>IS NOT!

>It most certainly is!  It isn't the simple gainsaying
>of any statment with "No, it isn't!"

>YES IT IS!

a.  The above is typically british humor
b.  British humor is difficult to understand
c.  Things difficult to understand are usually wrong.
d.  Things usally wrong are almost always wrong.
e.  Things almost always wrong are inevitably wrong.
f.  a+b+c+d+e -> The above is inevitably wrong.
g.  Jews are sometimes wrong.
h.  Jews like to point out other Jews that are wrong.
i.  g+h+f -> Jews will point out that the above argument is wrong.
j.  Jews argue about wrong things.
k.  Wrong things inevitably result when Jews argue.

Therefore: By argument, wrong Jews like to point out that other Jews
    are wrong which inevitably results in wrong things, including
    the above argument.



--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A really important Hanuka question
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:04:49 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1gligkINNian@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:

>Some people just go to a candle store and buy nice thin regular
>candles, but I suspect there's a kashruth question with this
>solution.

I don't know what they make candles out of, but even if the candles
are non-kosher, I believe that there is no problem with using such so
long as they don't drip on your food or dishes.

XYZZY (or something like that), of course.
-- 
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/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
From: agw@dsm.fordham.edu (Art Werschulz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Order of dressing
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:27:32 GMT
	<1992Dec11.001520.17258@bony1.bony.com>
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math

Hi.

In article <1992Dec11.001520.17258@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
  In article <1992Dec3.051917.8874@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
   >>I am interested in finding about in which order Jews should put
   >>clothes on and the Kabbalistic/other reasons for this. I
   >>understand, for example, that the right side should dominate and
   >>so the right arm should be put through the right side of a shirt
   >>etc first. Similarly, the right shoes and socks should be put on
   >>first. I would like to find more details about this. 

   >I'm no Kabbalist (and I don't even play one on TV) but I seem to
   >recall that when putting things ON, Right is done before Left, because
   >the Right is more important (at least when dealing with things
   >relating to one's body).  When taking things OFF, things are done in
   >the reverse order.

I'm no Kabbalist, I don't play one on TV, and I don't even know any
good jokes about people who are Kabbalists or play them on TV.  But I
remember reading in some popular (and hence, perhaps nonauthoritative)
book on Kabbala that the sefirot of Chesed and Din were on the right and
left sides (respectively) of the sefirotic diagram.  Hence favoring
right over left is something like a prayer that Chesed overcome Din.
This might also be the explanation for the buttonholes being on the
left side and the buttons being on the left side (as they are worn) in
chassidic men's clothing, so that the right could be on top of the
left, i.e., Chesed overcoming Din.

BTW, I don't really remember when I last read this, so I may have the
names of the sefirot misremembered (maybe it was Gevurah instead of
Din). 

--
  Art Werschulz		(8-{)}
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From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:08:05 GMT

In article <3031@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:

>The theme of "firstborn son replaced by younger son" is found
>throughout the Tanach side by side with the presence of hereditary
>structures such as the monarchy and the priesthood (and within these
>hierarchies, as well).  What does it all mean?  Make up your own
>sermon.

A perfect occasion to suggest something that's rarely seen on s.c.j.:
a serious discussion of a major theme in Jewish tradition. There's a
huge midrashic literature to mine and of course secular literary
approaches.  I nominate Warren to lead off.

Norman Miller


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dac@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (David A Cooke)
Subject: Carefully Selected "News" Posts on talk.politics.medicine 
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:58:19 GMT

	Does anyone know anything about a group called the Center for
Policy Research?  They've been posting a series of carefully chosen
newspaper articles and the like to talk.politics.medicine (why there
of all places?) designed to present as unflattering a portrait of
Israel and Jews as possible without being overtly antisemitic.  They
are posting from the address cpr@igc.apc.org, and gave a snail-mail
address somewhere in Iceland.
	Please reply via email or this group.

		-David Cooke
		dac@sci.ccny.cuny.edu



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: Re: The Crucifixion Prophecy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:46:49 GMT

In article <1gbf6uINNqhu@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>In article <1gasl1INNnsp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>>The easiest is to IGNORE the jerk, and/or place him into your
>>kill file
>>
>
>My Sysadmin offered the advice of publicly responding to the message 
>with the precise keystroke sequence needed to accomplish this 
>task. I think it should look something like
>
>/missionary's name/ :j  
>
>but I'm not sure. Anyone care to contribute the exact text?
>
>Jack F. Love
>

no, that will not work. in order to get at the contents of the header
OTHER than the subject line you need

/missionary's name/h:j  


if you want the whole article subject to a search, the you write:

/missionary's name/a:j  


here is my KILL file entry at the moment:

/buchar\|sera/h:j

i think this gets rid of the mad turk as well as the latest messianic
fool. (i believe it is buchar who is the latest messianic. i
forget.) (notice how to concatenate two searches into one. saves a
lot of time. limit seems to be five on my system in one search
pattern. your mileage may vary.)

if you want all jesus references removed from perusal then

/jesus/a:j


will do it
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward)
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian twat
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:49:28 GMT

In article <1h0g2mINNq2g@agate.berkeley.edu> lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu (Leslie Kay) writes:
>In article <BzIx1H.CJH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:
>>rub it in!) CANADA won the WORLD SERIES!  HA!  Yes the American national
>>pastime is now no longer in American hands!
>>
>>:-)
>
>Last I checked, Canada is part of North America....

For those who are uneducated in the popular usage of the term "America" it
usually refers to the US.  Just one little part of North America.  Baseball
is emphatically not the national pastime of North America, but just the US.
But we've got the World Series now.

(For those who don't know, Hockey is the national pastime of Canada)
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