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From: durway@rtp.dg.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: REQUEST for Texas handgun law info
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:55:03 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

What are the handgun laws like in Texas?  There's some vague possibility
that I'll move to Austin, and I'd like to take my Glock 17 with me.  I'm
in North Carolina now, & the gun is registered here.  Does the law
require that I register the weapon when I move in, or can I just sorta
walk in with it?

Please email responses to me (I might miss 'em if posted).

Thanks
Lindsey
-- 
Lindsey Durway
durway@rtp.dg.com  -or-  {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!durway
Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC; (919) 248-6166.
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person
I'm preaching to."  --  J. R. "Bob" Dobbs
From: Holt@cheme.washington.edu (Brad Holt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Help Identify Rifle
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:45:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.160825.19801
Organization: Chemical Engineering, U Washington


   I inherited a rifle with a scope.  I was wondering if I could get some help
both in identifying the gun and scope and any comments on their quality and
what type of shooting they are appropriate for (as you can tell, I do not
know a lot about firearms.)  

   The rifle appears to be in excellent condition.  The total length is 
42 inches.  The barrel, all the way back behind the bolt is 29 inches.  The
barrel is very thick (approx 11/16) with a small hole for the bullet.  The
rifle is bolt action with no external magazine.  There is a "door" underneath
which has a spring and seems like it would feed bullets into the bolt.  The
rifle has a wood stock with a checkered pattern were both hands go as you
hold it.

   The writing on the gun includes:  On the barrel, "Vixen, made in Finland"
and Cal 222 with some other symbols.  It also has what looks to be a serial
number on the barrel "L461 No. 62096 " followed by two symbols.  It aslo
has "Bofers Steel" on the barrel.  On the very back of the gun it says "SAKO".

   The writing on the scope includes:  LEUPOLD followed by a patent number on
one of the mounting brackets, on the back eyepiece it says:  "Bausch&Lomb
optics, Rochester NY USA, Pat. Applied for, PG5824.   On the other side
of this writing it says BALvor 8.  It vooms as I turn a dial marked from
2.5 to 8.  Looking through the scope you see crosshairs.

   I can guess what a lot of the above means (2.5 - 8 magnification zoom on
the scope).  What I do not know is how good of quality this is (SAKO rifle?)
and what is it useful for (hunting what?  Target shooting?)  It seems to be
a pretty nice rifle and I would like to keep it and use it.

Thanks in advance
Brad

[MODERATOR:  Thanks for asking before shooting!  The rest of the group
here is likely to be able to send you followup information on your rifle.
In addition, let me be the first to pass along our usual advice in a
case like yours, please get local and competent instruction with the safe
and responsible use of your rifle; don't just rely on remote advice from
folks here.  The NRA offers some excellent basic firearms safety courses,
usually for free or very low cost, and this would also hook you up with
folks in your area who could help you find safe places to shoot, learn
local firearm laws, see first hand about safe ways to store your firearm,
and so on.  Again, we appreciate when people demonstrate, like you, a
willingness to learn about gun safety and ask questions first!  Sako rifles
are generally good quality, and .222 is light to shoot, so you're likely
to find this to be a very enjoyable firearm to use.]
From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Pistol Jamming
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:14:22 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

In article <1992Aug24.172619.9931@almserv.uucp> sun330!brath@uunet.UU.NET (Mario N. Brathwaite) writes:
#I was out at the range this weekend firing several weapons including
#a S&W 5906. I loaded the magazine and attempt to fire... nothing happened
#(yes the safety was off).Looking at the gun, I noticed that the hammer 
#had stopped half way down. I removed the magazine, reinserted it and it 
#fired that round and then jammed again. This happened roughly four times 
#before I said "forget it!"
#
#Has anyone out there seen this happen before with the 5906 or any semi-auto
#for that matter?

This happened to me before with some reloads.  The bullets were too long
and didn't allow the slide to go all of the way forwards.  I had to push
really hard on the slide to unjam it.  These were Truncated Cone bullets
that didn't excede the maximum overall length.  The rifeling was touching
the bullets, and that's what was causing it to jam.
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE Wyoming Arms Parker Pistols
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:16:47 GMT

For those of you unfortunate enough to have a Parker pistol...

Emerging Technologies, Inc. purchased Wyoming Arms' equipment and
some assets.  If you have sent your pistol in for repairs, good
luck.  The manufacturer's phones have been disconnected for a few
months.

Emerging Technologies stresses that they have no liability responsibilities
for the Parker Stainless pistols, but if contacted in writing, they
would try to work something out with Wyoming Arms' owners.

ET plans to make a new line of handguns with the equipment, which
should be unveiled in October.

Rob
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: In Quest of Quiet ... what makes a quiet gun?
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:37:53 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <viking.714532468@vincent1.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
#ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
#
##I'm hoping to find out what makes for a quiet 'report' from a gun.
#
##How do I get more bang with less BANG! ??
#
#	The bang is caused by hot gases reaching the wide open
#spaces once the bullet leaves the end of the barrel.  This, of
#course, produces a shock wave and we get the loud bang.  Others
#will go into more detail, but let's stick with simplicity here.
#
#	First, remember F=MA, so to get a bullet going fast, or
#to move a heavier one a the same speed, you need more force, hence
#more and hotter gas.  Thus, look for something that doesn't shoot
#the hottest load or the heaviest bullet.  You'll have to decide
#for yourself, based on how much you need that bullet to do.


	One of the things you can do is search for a load that
	uses the least amount of powder. If the powder burns compleatly
	in the barrel, the smallist mass of powder should give the smallist
	bang. Of course if you can live with very high pressures, then
	you use a fast powder that gives very high initial pressure, and
	thus the velocity you need, but the pressure and temprature decays
	quickly as you go down the barrel. 

	What you need is a 357 Mag bolt action shooting 230 grain bullets
	using Bullseye powder, with a 35" barrel on it. :^)

#
#	So, we now have to cool those gases, or allow them to
#expand in a controlled manner.  A silencer is out, but a muzzle
                                   ^^^^^^^^

Why? If he lives in a free state, that'd be the best solution. Of course
if he lives in CA, or IL, or_______ [fill in your state :(   ]

#brake will help, and even a flash suppressor can make a good
#deal of difference.  Ever see the insides of a muffler?  All you
#do is provide a space for the gas to expand, it loses some heat
#that way, and then let it escape through a similary-sized hole.
#Can you take find a flash suppressor that will allow this?  It's
#going to have to be a big one, but it will help.


	if a flash suppressor actually does reduce the sound pressure
	even as much as 2dB, then it's classified as a silencer. 
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu 
* for sale: Springfield Armory Factory Comp, 38 Super, +3 mags. All new
* in box (never fired at all).  $690 or best offer over $600 as of Sep 30.
From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: :Re: Stupid Shooter Tricks
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:54 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego

In article <1992Sep1.010335.23568@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
#In article <1992Aug31.155724.15759@ncsu.edu> edhresko@hresko.EOS.NCSU.EDU (ERIC DAVID HRESKO) writes:
##
##
##	As a matter of fact, I was reading an article on ammunition in house 
##fires (I believe it was in the NRA book of facts) and it said the NRA did a test
#
#  There is more material in Hatcher's Notebook.

And there is more material yet in "Ammunition Making" by Frost.  He
describes the results of a fire in the ammunition plant where he
worked.  Some of the bullets penetrated a roof constructed of one
layer of sheet aluminum, but did not penetrate areas where there
were two layers.

IMHO, if it can penetrate one layer of aluminum then it's likely
to be able to penetrate your skin.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Opinions sought on Ruger Mini 14/30
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:21:11 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <1992Aug26.133500.25522@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Bob.Smith@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Bob Smith) writes:
# Well having just found this group today, and currently looking for
# a new semi-assult / home defense rifle (Am I influenced by the current
# round of violence, ranging from LA riots to Florida looting?  Yep ...),
# I like some thoughts on the Ruger Mini from those who own or have
# owned them, or possibly from those who have prior experience with them.
# I currently have nothing like this rifle, and although I like to get
# an AR15, I rather save a fess $100s and live with a Mini.  My leanings

People I know that bought a Mini-14, and had a chance to shoot an
AR-15, usually regret buying the Mini-14.  They are not as accurate
as the AR-15s, and they aren't designed for the sort of continuous
use that you might experience in the collapse of civilization (which
seems to be coming).

# are toward a stainless Mini 30, but I'd like to hear from users/owners
# first.  I don't know much about the rifle's lineage, and seemingly 
# neither does any gun shop around here.  If you have any of that info,
# it would be much welcomed.
# 
# bob smith

The SKS is about 1/4 the cost of a Mini-30, fires the same ammunition,
and is accurate enough for any sort of home defense use.  Besides, at
that cost, you buy two of them, and have a spare available if the
first one is damaged.




-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: handloading info requested
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:05:04 GMT
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida

What book is the definitive on handloading 9mm and 10mm.


Where can I get pressure tolerances for the Glock 17 and 20 (besides Glock).


Thanks in advance.
From: Thi_Huynh@univel.COM (Thi Huynh)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: PSS price.
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:58:11 GMT

Hi netters,

I am looking to buy a Remington 700 PSS in .308 Win.  The best price
I've seen in a local gun shop is US$594.  I haven't seen ads in Shotgun
News or any flyers about this particular rifle.

Is this a fair price?  A friend of mine is a FFL holder, so I can also
order through mail, but haven't seen any ads for it.

Thanks muchly,

-tt
From: singer@mencken.egr.uh.edu (Jurgen Singer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: German Firearms Regulations
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:43 GMT
Organization: University of Houston

In article <9208300734.AA22937@flubber.cs.UMD.EDU>  
wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes:
# In article <1992Aug19.213818.17031@ttinews.tti.com>  
hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
# #
# #Can someone tell me what firearms, if any, the ordinary citizen is
# #allowed to own in Germany?  How about tourists and/or US Military
# #folk assigned there?
# #
# #Thanks much.
# #
# #The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka:  
hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
# #Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
# #3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
# #Santa Monica, CA  90405
# 
# A German citizen, studying at another U.S. university, was taking a course
# at IU this summer and was my guest at our range. He said that it was
# nearly impossible to own anything without having a great deal of money
# or leisure time needed to join a shooting assn. or take hunter training.
# He said most of the laws were late 1930's vintage <and you know who was
# running things then>.

Since I am the German citizen Wayne is refering to, I might as well follow
up on this thread a bit. Germany has the one of the strictest gun laws in
western europe (I do not know about eastern europe). To get a hunting 
license you have to take a hunting course, which is difficult and lasts
for about one year. After passing this course, you are allowed to own
three rifles and, I think, one handgun. If you are a member of a shooters
assn. you can own your own handgun (notice the singular) after you have 
been a club member for one year. You still need the recomendation of the
directorium of the club, so never be at odds with these guys. The  
difference between the hunters and the shooting clubs is that most people
in the shooting club will store their guns in the club facilities. 
Getting your gun for sport shooting includes to be very specific about the  
gun, e.g. .38 special with 6" barrel for competition target shooting. 
The difficulty with hunting is that you not only need a license, but you  
also need to find a place with hunting rights. Since the demand for these
is rather high they tend to be expensive. You are not allowed to hunt  
outside this assigned place. 
There are a few people who actually have a license to carry a weapon, but 
these licenses are practically impossible to get, unless you are a member  
of the rich and famous, of course. 
If you want accurate information about these issues, try to conntact a
"Amt fuer oeffentliche Ordnung" in any major german city, since this is 
the office responsible for issuing all the licenses mentioned above.
As for the origin of these strict laws, one of the first things Hitler
did after coming to power, was to outlaw private ownership of firearms.

Jurgen
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: : Re: Stupid Shooter Tricks
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:05:20 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Sep1.152727.4993@btree.uucp> btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale) writes:

}And there is more material yet in "Ammunition Making" by Frost.  He
}describes the results of a fire in the ammunition plant where he
}worked.  Some of the bullets penetrated a roof constructed of one
}layer of sheet aluminum, but did not penetrate areas where there
}were two layers.
}
}IMHO, if it can penetrate one layer of aluminum then it's likely
}to be able to penetrate your skin.

I note the penetrations described in this thread are always of roofs and
ceilings.  That suggests the cases were pointing up and braced against the
floor.  I suspect that cartridges on their sides and not braced would be
much less dangerous.

Perhaps something to consider when storing ammunition?

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 13mm Mauser T-gewer
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:22:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug26.203459.29120@watson.ibm.com>, breslau@watson.ibm.com (Art Breslau) writes...
#I have located a 13mm Mauser T-gewer (Tank und Flieger Abwehraffe) A.K.A. "Tank
#killer". Only about 15,800 made, weighs in at 39 lbs. I'm looking for chamber
#dimensions. handbook of cartridge conversions doesn't list them. Old Western
#Scrounger doesn't have ammo. Will need to have RCBS make up dies, then try and
#find brass to make up, let alone the projectiles. Checking with BATF on its
#status. Last I saw, thought it was on curio list.


 I've been looking, without success, for one of those for years...

 The usual drill with these rifles is to rebarrel to the good ol' Browning 50 
cal. Nothing else needs to be done to the gun as far as modifications go. 
Surplus new in the wrap M2 50 cal barrels are available from Gun Parts Corp 
and someone with a lathe can rethread it to fit the Mauser action.

 RCBS stocks dies for this number and the best press for reloading it is the 
RCBS Big Max. 

 PMC sells newely manufactured reloadable 50 Browning ammo and there are 
several sources for 50 cal reloading components.
From: keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Canadian point system
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:22:30 GMT
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation

As some people have requested it, here is the new point system to
be used in Canada to determine the status of a firearm if it is
not easily classified.  In theory, if a weapon accumulates 50 points
it may be analyzed to determine whether or not it should be restricted
or prohibited.  Other factors are also supposed to be considered such
as availability & use in crime.  Followup to t.p.g or better yet, to
our Minister of Justice.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

	Firearm Classification (Long Arms Only)

Firearm Action Type					Points

Single Shot/Break open 2 or 3 shot			5
Bolt Action Repeater					5
Lever Action						5
Pump Action						10
Semi-Automatic						25
Selective for Full Automatic				100

Ammunition Type

Rimfire							10
Shotshell						15
Centre-Fire						15

Specific Characteristics

Overall Length less than 26"				100
Barrel Length less than 18"				40
Barrel Length 18" to 18.5"				20
Folding or Telescoping Stock				20
Bayonet Lug or Folding Bayonet				5
Flash Hider/Flash Suppressor				5
Carrying Handle						5
Full Rear Pistol Grip					20
Full Forward Pistol Grip				20

Magazine Capacity

Rimfire:
		10 rounds				5
		20 rounds				10
	over 20 rounds					20

Shotshell/Centre-Fire: 
		5 rounds				10
		10 rounds				25
	over 10 rounds					35

-------------------------------------------------------------------
| Keith P. de Solla        | "I don't enforce the law, I regulate |
| CMC                      |  human behaviour"                    |
| keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca    |    - Commissioner Scali              |
From: FKK@SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Concealed carry...
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:21:01 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


How to concel a handguns depends on a number of factors. Type of build,
clothing worn etc.  Combat Handguns magazine discusses many types of holsters
over the years.  Look for some back issues.
From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: handgun hunting
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:34 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

I saw on an earlier post that some states require a handgun with 
500 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy at 100 yds, to be legal for hunting.
The post stated that the 357 magnum did not meet this requirement.
What about the 10mm?  Would it have enough muzzle energy?
From: wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Where to find _Book of the Garand_
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:21:35 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA



  I've come up dry trying to find a copy of Julian Hatcher's _Book of
the Garand_.

  Any suggestions?


Thanks,

Bill Chiarchiaro
wjc@ll.mit.edu
From: buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: rocket fuel question
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:04:28 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <6-jnrpb.mvp@netcom.com>, mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes...

>Seriously, though, the most that can probably be done is to point out the
>worst of the boners - Like the genius a few months back who recommended
>milling a mixture of powdered aluminum, potassium chlorate, and sulfur
>in a rock tumbler for a week.

Whats scarey is that the person stil believes that he has done it
and that it is not a problem to do!  That's what scares me!

	- mark

buda@star.enet.dec.com
...!decwrl!star.enet.dec.com!buda
buda%star.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: schediwy@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Bic Schediwy)
Subject: Ball milling
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:27:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

A person sent me email enquiring about ball milling. I replied
with the following message which I thought might be of general
interest.

>As a newcomer to the board (but not pyrotechnics) i am curious about
>this technique of ball-milling.  I have a small idea of what it is, but
>would like some more specifics.

I'm not sure if your question is a general question about ball milling
or specifically how a ball mill is operated remotely. I'll answer both.

Remote operation is obvious. Locate the ball mill in a safe place
(in a place where no damage to people or objects will occur in the
event of an accident) and power the ball mill with an extension
cord. The on/off for the power to the cord is activated at a safe
distance from the ball mill.

More generally, ball milling is a simple and inexpensive way of
reducing coarse powders to fine powders. In addition, ball milling
can be used to provide intamate mixing of mixtures. A ball mill
consists of a sealed drum, on its side, which is placed into a motorized
fixture which causes it to roll. The drum is filled to approximately
1/2 full of metal balls or cylinders and then filled to approximately
3/4 full of the powder to be milled. Note that the balls must be
made of a metal such as lead or brass to make them non-sparking
if you plan to mill ignitable mixtures. Some people use ceramic
balls but their efficiency is low due to low weight. The mill is
usually operated for 2 - 24 hours.

If you want to purchase a ball mill most people purchase lapidary rock
tumblers from a gem store. A small tumbler machine will cost about $50.00.
The drum is made of hard rubber. For balls you can use lead fishing
weights.

There are very few pyrotechnic mixtures which are considered kosher to mill
as a mixture. Dampened black powder is about the only one (note that KNO3
and S is almost black powder). NEVER mill _mixtures_ containing chlorates
or perchlorates. Doing so WILL eventally result in an explosion. Don't
press your luck. You can however mill a chlorate or perchlorate by
itself if your mill is spotlessly free of any contaminating fuels. It
is generally accepted that the above should never be milled in a mill
that has seen sulfur - even if it has been cleaned.

cheers...bic