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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Batman:Animation
Date: 7 Sep 1992 14:12:45 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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  Fox can not lighten up the tone because all of the show are in the can.
The show "Batman animated series" has been two years in the making.
Something like 78 show are already in the can waiting to be showen.
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From: M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: oxymorons
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:00:53 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

In article <1992Sep6.134219.29043@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep5.151100.6020@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart Goddard) writes:
|> 
|> > How about "computer science"    (I _KNOW_ it's really black magic:-))
|> >           "safe sex"            (isn't very safe)
|> >           "defensive driving" 
|> >           "politically correct" (nothings correct about politics)
|> >           "President Perot"
|> 
|> The usual example of this sort of thing is "military intelligence".
|> Oxymorons per se are too easy to come by; just take a noun and an
|> adjective that can't go together. ("Cold heat", "tiny vastness",
|> "sad smile"...) The difficulty is in finding ones that are actually
|> used much. or that are intrinsically funny, or both.

Finance:

Adequate Salery   (Expenses grow to exceed income)
Free Banking      (Low interest)
Lifetime Garuntee (Whose, yours or the products?)
Value Added Tax    (At least in the UK)

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: tjdonald@neumann.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: easy 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:38:41 GMT

Marge said "I have two pairs of twins." How many children does Marge have?

Toby
From: Mary_Premeau@edtng.uwp.edu (Mary Premeau)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:24:25 CST
Organization: Electric Dreams: The Next Generation BBS

In a message dated Thu 10 Sep 92 18:47, Jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (john Martin 
wrote:

|>  I'm looking for a collection of logic puzzles.
|> What they are is a story which you can tell people and then they ask
|> you questions about the problem trying to solve the question you 
|> pose them.  Similar to 20 questions but these can last for days ie.
|> 
|>  ' There is a man in a desert he is hung by his neck from a
|> gallows.  His feet are 5 feet off the ground there is no way he could
|> have got to this position by jumping or climbing.  All you notice is
|> that there is a puddle of water at his feet.
|>  Question : How did he die ??  '
|> 

I would ask:  Was the man standing on a block of ice when he died?



 JM> 1) he died because he didn't see the sawdust

 JM> 2) John and Linda are dead.  There is glass and water on the floor.

 JM>  You notice how a lot of these puzzles have corpses in them!

 JM>  If anyone wants to play, I'll only post the yes/no replies rather
 JM> than
 JM> the situation.

 JM>  -john 'not just another tom, dick, or harry' karakash-



Are John and Linda human?
Was the broken glass a fishbowl?

Am I close on either puzzle?

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: sflinter@cs.tcd.ie (Stephen Flinter)
Subject: Logic puzzles
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:13:05 GMT


At last... here are the much awaited solutions to the
situation puzzles (NOT!)

1. "The music stopped, and then she died..."

A. The woman is a blind tight-rope walker in a circus.  She
judges whether or not she is at the end of the rope by the
music; when the music stops she stops walking.  One day the
person in charge of the music lets it run on too long, and
the woman walks off the end of the rope.

2. "He pushed his car to the hotel, and knew he was bankrupt"

A. The man is playing monopoly, with the car as his token.
He pushes it up to the most expensive street (whatever that
is on your local version) with an hotel on it.

3. There is a small group of stones and a carrot in the
middle of an untouched wheat field.  How did they get there?

A. They are the remnants of a snowman made during the
winter.

4. A man, heading towards a field, knows he will die when he
arrives.  How come?

A. He is a skydiver whose parachute has failed to open.

5. A man is lying dead in the middle of a field clutching a
twig in his hand.  How come?

A. He was ballooning with his friends when it burst and
started to loose altitude.  In order to reduce weight, they
decided that one of them had to jump overboard, and drew
lots to decide which one.  He got the short stick.

6. A person goes into the desert, cuts off one arm and
buries it.

A. Previously, he had been trapped in the desert with a
group of other people after an air crash.  To sustain
themselves they decided to cut off and eat an arm from each
person.  The group were rescued before it was this man's
turn to lose his arm, but on arrival home, they decided it
only fair that he should cut it off anyway.

7. Two people order venison.  One rushes outside and
commits suicide.

A. Three people had originally been trapped on a desert
island, and one of them died.  There was nothing on the
island to eat but one piece of venison and the dead man.
The two remaining people drew lots and decided who would get
which. One of the people then realised in the restaurant did
not taste like the food he had eaten on the island, and
committed suicide for eating the dead man.

Steve.

P.S. I was sent a huge list of these type of puzzles by
email yesterday and will email a copy to anyone who wants
it.  If the demand is sufficient I will post it.
-- 
//
//      Stephen Flinter                          sflinter@cs.tcd.ie
//      AI Lab, Computer Science
//      Trinity College Dublin
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: puzzled
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:17:51 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 09-12-92 BART GODDARD wrote:

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the heck does all the above mean?
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Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 1992 17:01:11 -0400 
From: "Vincent J. Matsko" <vm0h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Cryptograms.

One kind of puzzle that I haven't seen mentioned here much is the
cryptogram.  They are one of my favorite kinds of puzzles, but most of
those in puzzle books nowadays are just too easy.  The last page of
cryptograms inDell puzzle books has some challenging ones; I like these
better than those in Games magazine.

Anyone else out there like cryptograms?  I made one up at lunch today:

Sadd'n samm pumpkin saxx, saqqt sanedt saxxwon, okedi siin sagg um
qiuxst sdazz.

It is perhaps a bit contrived, but I tried to keep the "theme" of double
letters with same "sa" prefix to make it interesting.  I'll eventually
post the answer if no one else does.

Vince
From: croson@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: PostScript Cryptics? Puzzle software?
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep11.145117.15527
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I remember seeing some PostScript-format cryptic crosswords in this group a
while back.  Are these archived somewhere?  I thought they were interesting at
the time, but I can't seem to find them now...

By the way, I'm looking for a computer program to generate crossword puzzles. 
It need only generate the grid and filled-in words; I can write the clues
myself.  Does anyone know of a public-domain or commercial program which does
this?  Can some of the wordlist be specified to create a "theme"?  Which of
these programs, if any, is the BEST?  The best VALUE?  I've seen some very
expensive ones ($300) and an inexpensive one ($50) but I really don't know what
their features are like.  Any information would be very valuable.

Dave Croson
dcroson@hbs.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Virtual reality puzzle
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.054316.29653@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> seth@miro.Berkeley.EDU (Seth Teller) writes:
>>> From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
>>> ....
>>> you realize that you MIGHT STILL BE IN THE VIRTUAL SIMULATION....
>[...]
>this is easy.  just do a physics experiment (whose outcome you know) with 
>a highly accurate clock.  the simulation has to report accurate time 
>intervals to you; if it doesn't, the discrepancies will add up and start 
>to conflict with the real-time data pouring in from the rest of the 
>universe.

AHEM!  Data pouring in from WHERE?  Part of the assumptions of the
problem were that the VR simulator simulates the entire rest of the
universe.  Thus your physics experiment, and any equipment you used,
are part of the simulation.

>  with no discrepancies, you'll be able to detect the processing 
>latency (it can't ever be zero) for the VR simulator to compute the 
>experimental results and channel them to your sensory system.

If the VR simulator is "perfect," a fair assumption is that its
latency in responding to your actions is far less than your own
sensory latency.  If the results of all your actions are delayed by
exactly a millisecond, you will have no way of discerning this
difference subjectively, and since all your references (e.g. clocks)
are simulated, no way of detecting it objectively.

I prefer the solutions that depend either on the assumption that the
VR simulator can't keep your body fed without your knowing it, or that
the VR simulator's own environment (e.g. the electric bills that you
aren't paying) will catch up with it.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)



Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: chalcraft@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Adam Chalcraft)
Subject: Re: 4 color atlas
Organization: cpd
	<CHALCRAFT.92Sep11091714@laurel.uk.tele.nokia.fi>
	<1992Sep11.133849.16820@cs.cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.133849.16820@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:

>   >Okay, for the last time.
>
>   You're an optomist!

I know, but maybe it's the last time *I* answer this question.

>   Computers never make mistakes, we just program them to do the wrong thing.

Not strictly true, of course. They are many orders of magnitude less likely to
make a mistake than a human, but it can never be strictly ruled out. I was
actually working for BP once when it was discovered that the floating point
unit in one of the four Vaxen there (a job runs on a random machine) had an
error in the least significant byte of one of its internal registers!

>   The argument goes that a simple proof
>   that assigns an extremely high probability to some proposition is
>   better than a long, complicated proof--by a human hand--that purports
>   to show the same result with certainty, because the latter actually
>   has a higher likelihood of being wrong.

This one has actually come up in practice. In the aftermath (sic) of the
ATLAS, there was a certain conjectured representation of a group (the baby
monster, I think). This consisted of some matrices (two, I think), which
satisfied the relevant relations. The problem was that they may have
satisfied more relations, and thus generated a quotient group instead of
the full thing. A large number (millions?) of words in these matrices were
calculated, and they all turned out to have the right order (rather than a
divisor of the right order). The probability of the matrices in question
not generating the required group was reduced to 10^-n, for some large n.
There then followed about a year or more of very boring research to prove
that these matricies really did do the job, involving a coset-enumeration
of the group, and a new program to do the coset-enumeration. The results
could then be published.
The silly thing is that the probability of the computer getting the coset-
enumeration wrong due to "cosmic rays" flipping a bit at the wrong time,
although small, was actually larger than the 10^-n I quoted earlier. This
is ignoring the possibility of a bug in the coset-enumerator, of course.
Steve Linton of Cambridge was the poor guy in question.
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Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: dsr@horus.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dana Richards)
Subject: Re: The ULTIMATE problem!!!
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:40:26 GMT


>So the Verger ask'd the Priest:
>"Give to Me a Clue at least!"
>"Keep Thy Mind and Ears awake,
>And see what Thou of this can make.
>Their Ages multiplied make plenty,
>Fifty and Ten Dozens Twenty."

50 + 10 X 12 + 20
(50 + 10) X 12 + 20
((50 + 10) X 12) X 20
50 + (10 X 12) X 20

...

Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Organization: my opinions, only
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.080246.10717@smds.com> rh@ishmael.UUCP
(Richard Harter) writes:

>Q1:	What color was the bear?
Green, after having been spray-painted by a bunch of Greenpeacers to
keep it from being killed for its fur.

>Q2:	Who drove the bus?
The bus driver.

>Q3:	How many times are we going to recycle the
>	oldies but goodies?
About every three months, plus once more when the kiddies get their
new accounts at school.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: clong@romulus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Puzzle 1 (SPOILER)
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:08:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep15.052438.12478@questrel.com>, Chris Cole writes:

Chris, don't forget to include my name on my solutions in the FAQ,
please.  My old article should be replaced with the following in the
FAQ, anyway:

--Cut here--
Solution prepared by Chris Long.

Unfortunately, this isn't completely new, since I believe a similar
puzzle I posted and answered are in the FAQ.  However, it *is* different
enough to be interesting.

In article <1992Mar3.164702.428@hls.com>, ravi@hls.com writes:

> Here's a small number puzzle : 

> 	Generate numbers such that the each digit in the number specifies
> the number of the occurences of the position of the digit ( postions starting
> with 0 from the left ). Example

> 	The number 1210
...

My guess is only:

1210
21200

3211000
42101000
521001000
6210001000

No 1, 2, or 3 digit numbers are possible.  Letting x_i be the ith
digit, starting with 0, we see that (1) x_0 + ... + x_n = n+1 and
(2) 0*x_0 + ... + n*x_n = n+1, where n+1 is the number of digits.

I'll first prove that x_0 > n-3 if n>4.  Assume not, then this
implies that at least four of the x_i with i>0 are non-zero.  But
then we would have \sum_i i*x_i >= 10 by (2), impossible unless n=9,
but it isn't possible in this case (51111100000 isn't valid).

Now I'll prove that x_0 < n-1.  x_0 clearly can't equal n; assume
x_0 = n-1 ==> x_{n-1} = 1 by (2) if n>3.  Now only one of the
remaining x_i may be non-zero, and we must have that x_0 + ... + x_n
= n+1, but since x_0 + x_{n-1} = n ==> the remaining x_i = 1 ==> by
(2) that x_2 = 1.  But this can't be, since x_{n-1} = 1 ==> x_1>0.
Now assuming x_0 = n-2 we conclude that x_{n-2} = 1 by (2) if n>5
==> x_1 + ... + x_{n-3} + x_{n-1} + x_n = 2 and 1*x_1 + ... +
(n-3)*x_{n-3} + (n-1)*x_{n-1} + n*x_n = 3 ==> x_1=1 and x_2=1,
contradiction.

Case n>5:

We have that x_0 = n-3 and if n>=7 ==> x_{n-3}=1 ==> x_1=2 and
x_2=1 by (1) and (2).  For the case n=6 we see that x_{n-3}=2
leads to an easy contradiction, and we get the same result.  The
cases n=4,5 are easy enough to handle, and lead to the two solutions
above.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
From: grue@cs.uq.oz.au (Pauli Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Reflections [was: word permutations and rotations]
Keywords: word permutat rotat
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:04:24 GMT
Reply-To: grue@cs.uq.oz.au

ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:

>Likewise, what is the longest pair of words which are reflections of each
>other:

>e.g.    Desserts <--> Stressed

>which is 8 letters, but there must be longer ones.


Well, I can find the following of length 7 or better:

desserts stressed
redrawer rewarder
rewarder redrawer

deifier reified
deliver reviled
dennets stenned
dessert tressed
reknits stinker
reliver reviler
sagenes senegas
sallets stellas




        						Pauli

Paul Dale                       | grue@cs.uq.oz.au
Department of Computer Science  | +61 7 365 2445
University of Queensland        |
Australia, 4072                 | Did you know that there are 41 two letter
                                |     words containing the letter 'a'?
--
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: baljeual@uther.calvin.edu (Alan Baljeu)
Subject: Re: redundancy
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:46:42 GMT

shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

>Or, if nobody's said it yet (I jumped right into the middle of this),
>the classic DOS Operating System.

that brings to mind the acronym GNU of the Free Software Foundation:
	Gnu's Not Unix
From: hamel@uakari.primate.wisc.edu (Ray Hamel)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Portmanteau followup
Date: 14 Sep 1992 08:56:27 -0500
Organization: UW-Madison Primate Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: uakari.primate.wisc.edu


	GLITZ  = GLAMOUR (not GLAMMER) and RITZ.  Sheesh!

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: corby@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Corby Anderson)
Subject: Re: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,?
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 02:57:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.120533.24301@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> dany@marva.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Nabutovsky Dan) writes:
>   What is the next item in the serie:
> 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, ?, ...
>
>   (Not 11)
>
>   Dan.

The next item in the series is J!  This is followed by Q and K.

Corby
corby@ssf-sys.dhl.com
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
Subject: Re: oxymorons
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:42:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.151100.6020@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart Goddard) writes:

> How about "computer science"    (I _KNOW_ it's really black magic:-))
>           "safe sex"            (isn't very safe)
>           "defensive driving" 
>           "politically correct" (nothings correct about politics)
>           "President Perot"

The usual example of this sort of thing is "military intelligence".
Oxymorons per se are too easy to come by; just take a noun and an
adjective that can't go together. ("Cold heat", "tiny vastness",
"sad smile"...) The difficulty is in finding ones that are actually
used much. or that are intrinsically funny, or both.
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: dm@stekt2.oulu.fi (Hannu Helminen)
Subject: Re: 20 question stories
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
	<1992Sep07.173538.15718@eng.umd.edu> <10217@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:34:16 GMT


This is one of the best I've heard:

A man comes home in the evening, brushes his teeth, turns the lights
off and goes to bed. In the morning, he looks out of the window and
commits suicide.

--

   _| _ _    Hannu    dm@stekt.oulu.fi    // Does anybody else in here
  (_|| | )  Helminen dm@phoenix.oulu.fi \X/ feel the way I do?
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: easy 
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:43:10 GMT

tjdonald@neumann.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
>Marge said "I have two pairs of twins." How many children does Marge have?


Hint:

"Mummy, what's rec.puzzles ?"
"Mummy, what's rec.puzzles ?"
"Mum, where's Waterloo ?"
"Mum, where's Waterloo ?"

"Ma, I need to go to the water-loo."
"Ma, I need to go to the water-loo."
"Hey, Mum, did tjd post another one of those boring puzzles ?"
"Hey, Mum, did tjd post another one of those boring puzzles ?"

Spoiler:

tjdonald@neumann.uwaterloo.ca
From: edwardsp@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au (Paul Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: redundancy
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:23:16 GMT

>>One can sometimes overhear people use the following phrases:
>>
>>    ATM machine, HIV virus, PIN number, and LCD display.
>>
>>These are all redundant.  For example, ATM stands for Automatic
>>Teller Machine so why say the word "machine" after ATM?  The others
>>are similar.  Can anyone think of other examples of this type of
>>redundancy?
>>

	MIDI interface?

Paul
edwardsp@insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque)
Subject: Re: Portmanteau words
Organization: Pseudopolis Yard
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:31:16 GMT

hamel@uakari.primate.wisc.edu (Ray Hamel) writes:
>
>	BRUNCH	  BREAKFAST AND BRUNCH
                                ^^
You mean BREAKFAST and LUNCH I'm sure.

One of Lewis Carroll's originals:

	CHORTLE  CHUCKLE and SNORT

Another common word:

	SQUIGGLE  SQUIRM and WIGGLE

>	LIGER	 LION AND TIGER

If you're going to mix animals, there's BEEFALO, TIGON and JACKALOPE
(also BASSELOPE and of course, JACKABASSELOPE).

And another one from Berke Breathed:

	OFFENSITIVITY   OFFENSIVENESS and SENSITIVITY

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