HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: MalcomX movie and Newsweek
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:39:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.
Keywords: MalcomX Newsweek Dawah Islam 

This is in reply to nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu (Nadeem G Chaudhry), who wrote:
:
:	In the name of Allah the most Beneficent and Mercifull.
:
:
:Assalam-U-Alequm,
:		This is a suggestion and not a invitation to discussion/flame
:war. This week or next week Newsweek is going to bring out a special issue on
:Malcom X/Shebaz. Also during the same time period, the movie MalcomX is going
:to be released. These two events will most probably create some interest in the
:minds of the people (those who take interest in such stuff) about Islam. I think
:it will be a good opportunity for us to present these people with correct 
:information about Islam. I think going to the Cinema where it is being played
:and distributing some pamphlet or leaflet about Islam will be a good way to
:do it. I think this is a good Dawah opportunity and we should take advantage
:of it.
:
:

In this Christian's opinion it is a very honorable thing that
you are proposing.  And it certainly is a wiser action than that
taken against the B'nai B'rith in 1977 upon release of _Mohammed:
Prophet of God,_ a movie mistakenly believed to show the image of
Allah.  (Not that I'm holding that against you; I'm simply contrasting
your non-violent action against other possibilities.)

All best.

Aaron
From: Mohaghegh
Subject: RE: Are Baha'is .....
Summary: None
Keywords: None
Organization: None
Date:  5 Nov 92 19:03:00 GMT

Mr. Hakim writes:
> Karim Khan was after the leadership of the Shaykhi community and totally
> contradicted the directives of Shaykh Ahmad Ahsa'i and Seyyed Kazim-i
> Rashti who prepared their followers for the event of the manifestation
> of the Qa'im which was to take place in the year 1260 A.H., few months
> after the passing of Seyyed Kazim.
Obviously, Mr. Hakim does his research ONLY IN BAHA'I SOURCES. In this case
most probably he relies on his weekend school notes.  The sad part is that
he really believes in what he was told when he was a child.
Mr. Seyyed writes:
>>Bab was defeated in argument not only because of his contradictory
>>claims, but also because he couldn't even speak correct arabic and made lots
>>of mistakes.
Mr. Hakim replies:
> Seyyed, I respectfully recommend you study this issue prior to making
> such claims.
Mr. Hakim, I respectfully recommend you study KetAbe "BayAne Arabi" and
"BayAne Farsi" to see for yourself that Mr.  Seyyed is right and Seyyede Bab
didn't know Arabic well enough to write in Arabic. But, he insisted to
write in Arabic, even in "BayAne Farsi". Of course Mr. Hakim has an
explanation for this, as he has one for everything else. Now, to help Mr.
Hakim find out for himself that Seyyede Bab didn't know Arabic well, I
would like to invite him to open "Ketabe BayAne Arabi" and study it until
he comes to the word "CHAPAN". Yes, CHAPAN which perhaps possibly meant
"printed". Do I need to elaborate any more?

Appearance of "contradictory statements" in Baha'i or Babi writings are
quite common. Mr. Hakim can look at his own articles which have appeared
on this net to see one for himself. To help him, I would like to invite him
to examine his article "part 11 of 12".
Mohaghegh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:25:38 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <Bx7vw6.60M@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>i got a question for everyone but for mr. javad in particular. what does baghal
>mean? and what is so special about cows, bovines, and dairy products?
>my fans can flame me if they want. it's nothing new anyway.
>
>--== not the fingernail man ==--
>
>zafar


Dear our most honorable friend,

baghghal is an extremely elite and prestigious profession in Iran.  Basically,
he is the little store close to your house which sells dairy products and
a limited selection of groceries.  Most of the time the customer is served
from behind the counter, and most of the time the baghghal and the customers
know each other for years.  The baghghal normally brings milk from the villages,
and makes his own fresh youghurt with a delicious layer of cream on top, and
sells it in these little plastic bowls with a piece of wax paper on top to
prevent dust from settling on the yoghurt.  The baghghal also sells hot items
like real good feta cheese (bulgarian, danish, domestic, etc.), homemade doogh
(yoghurt drink), cube sugar (ghand), rice (the best one is rashti, but the 
sources vary). And of course, on a hot summer day everybody goes up and buys
a soft drink like Kooka (coke), which is kept cold by keeping it in a barrel 
full of water and slabs of ice..

The description goes on and on, but I'll stop here.  So in short, it's
a little grocery store with fresh dairy products.


May your yoghurt cultures flourish,

Agha Javad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sharam@ole.cdac.com (Sean Namazi)
Subject: From Russia with Love ...
Organization: Cascade Design Automation, Bellevue, WA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:04:41 GMT


Ba Salam,

I am not sure if this has already been mentioned here or not, 
but I will mention it anyways.  

Russia will be launching a satelite in a couple of weeks which
will orbit the earth for sometime and it will then be redirected
towards earth to land off the coast of Seattle during Thanksgiving.
It will be filled with souvenires.  This is the first time a satelite 
is used for non-scientific purposes.  The Russians are not very good 
at this (that is redireting the satelite) so it might actually land a 
hundred miles or so off target.  It should be pretty interesting.  By
the way,  I thing I will leave the area in case it is really off target.

Rooz Khosh,



-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:31:01 GMT

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) asks:


 => what does baghal mean?

I believe it means "lima bean" or one of its products.

 => and what is so special about cows,

The fact that they have a cupboard full of vaseline.

 => zafar

    --mack
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:20:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
Keywords: Politics, Difference

In article <1992Nov5.043107.19477@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>I am not trying to confuse you by apealing to generalities. On the contrary,
>I am very specific. Very simple, clear and specific statements: 
>
>1) God says that women should wear hejab.
    ~~~

wrong.  *quran* says women should wear hejab. once you prove to people
on this net that god wrote quran, then points 2-4 will hold.  until then
you can only say muhammad/quran says women should wear hejab.  of course,
the challenge which you continually refuse to touch (to prove that quran
could *not* have been written my man), still stands as another acceptable
way to prove your claims.

>2) God has created us, therefore knows better about our own benefit.

agreed.

>3) God is kind to us and wants our good and prosperity.

agreed.

>4) We should seek our good and prosperity.

agreed.

>5) Therefore we should obey God, and his order about hejab.

agreed, if point 1 is proven.

>You see how simple and clear it is?

>If you don't believe
>in statements 1) through 4), then you have another problem that is not probably
		              
no one has a problem seyyed.  since hejab is forced, rather being just 
recommended, the burdeon of proof for your claims is on *you*.  if youre
only proof is 'cuz god says so', then you have to prove that god, 
infact, said so.

you see how simple and clear it is?

>Seyyed.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:53:46 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:

>>    o Three players from Iran were sent off during the game!
>
>Why would they play rough if all they needed was a tie?

No one said they played rough! All we know is that they were sent off!
That may or may not have been caused by rough play.

>Ususlly the team that is behind tries to be so aggressive that
>it may get in red card trouble.
>Again, to me this is very unusual.

Indeed!

The Farsi speaking television will show the highlights of this match
on Sunday. I will have a better idea then.

    --mack

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aspirun@seasva.gwu.edu (Aspirun Gheyas-abady)
Subject: need your nazar
Originator: aspirun@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:44:26 GMT




"hich Irani mosalmoon neest va hich mosalmoon Irani neest"

I have heard the above line from many people and I am wondering what is 
your response to it, and where and why did it get started ?


Aspirun



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Maybe we should talk in a language that afghan people understand.
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:47:46 GMT

In <1992Nov13.201110.14376@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:

>    (1) Your claim that Iran has been divided by force.

It is no news to Iranian, that the Iran Russia wars that took place
at Naseraldyin Shah-eh Ghaghar resulted in capture of northern Iranian States
Including: Azerbijan, Ghaphghaze, and other former Islamic soviet republics.
One of the Iran's old capital is BoKhara Which is located in those states.
Afghanistan, which means Ostan Afghan, like sistan, balochestan, Khozestan,
tabarstan( currently gillan and Mazandran) Khorastan... just another indication
that this is part of Iran.  Afghanistan farmer king, which has been overtron
by soviets about 10 years ago had relations with former Iranian dynasty
Ghajarian.  Afghanistan was out of Iran by Englands East India army, to create
a buffer zone to secure their strong hold India.

>    (2) Your claim that you for at least three years have known me.

I started to reading SCI from about 1990s and I see your articles from then.
So that is 2+ years, very close to 3 years.

>    (3) Your claim that I will do anything to harm Iran.

In all the issues, from the false accusation that Iran was printing US
dollars, to Atashes efforts to create civil war in Iran you sided with
enemy.

>    (4) Your claim that my past articles clearly show my intentions.

It obvious to everyone, maybe except to your lovers/friends in 
San Fransisco area -:), that what is your intention of posting the above 
article.
    
                      Babak  Sehari.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Organization: The National Inquirer
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:29:39 GMT

In article <sehari.721165250@class1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak 
Sehari) writes:

I had asked:

>>Do we know why the 3 players were ejected from the game?  Was this another
>>"towte'e" [(c) dAee jAn Napel-on, 1357] by British as Babak had previously
>>felt?

Babak added:

>British are nothing but a third world country these days.  Like other
>Empires before it, it has gone with the wind.  However, it might be a
>"towte'e" by Japanese.  Off course, our great friend U.S. might have
>something with it, too. The victory would have given Iran more popularity
>in the Republics.
>       ^^^^^^^^^
>                    With highest regards,
>                         Babak   Sehari.

Now if we only knew what the Republics is.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Maybe we should talk in a language that afghan people understand.
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:00:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Nov12.233759.509@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>>Ja-sos-ha-eh Kharji shologh mei-konand dar in newsgroup. Agar rast mei-goyeid,
>>va shoma afghani hastid be zabani sohbat Konid ke mardom afghanistan
>>sohbat mei-Konand.  Vagar na, Khafeh beshavid va bogozarid mardom afghanistan
>>dar solh zendegi konand.

>
>Just curious, were you standing in front of a mirror when you wrote
>these?    :-)

(laugh!).  i wonder how many people got your point mack!

ps babak, shhhh, here's a secret tip: be careful, objects in the mirror are 
   closer than they appear.

>
>    --mack
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: loonies on the loose
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:19:24 GMT


ahaaleeye mohtarame sci,

reading the recent trend of our racist, fascist, islamic fanatics,
nationalists ... postings, i started to wonder:

what the hell is going on here? where did all these loonies come from?
is there a fall vacation at the local deevooneh khooneh? is the number
of the lunatics on sci increasing or what?

as hafez says:

aadamee dar aalame khaakee nemeeaayad be dast
aalamee as no bebaayad saakht vaz no aadamee

behzad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Aryan symbols
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.033353.2094@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>,
minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.034357.15783@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
mhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mariam Hakim-Zargar) writes:
> > In article <1992Nov11.174503.16875@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> of
soc.culture.iranian,
> >   mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid) writes:
> >> Could someone kindly tell me if old Aryan symbols still exist in 
> >> Iran today. In Germany under Hitler, they revived the old Germanic
> >> symbols the swastika and the old style SS for the Schutz Stafel.
> >> In India, the reverse swastika is still quite common.
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> Mustafa Saiyid
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > From what I know, there was never any Arian language evidence found
in Persia.
> >  The oldest known alphabet for which we have any evidence, is that
which was
> > used before the Arab invasion, namely known as Pahlavi dari, or just
pahlavi. 
> > During the reign of Mohammad Reza Shah, there was some attempt to
bring this
> > language (which is primarily today's Farsi minus all the arabic words) and
> > alphabet back, but I think was unsucessful becuase the old writing
system was
> > not particularly effective... I cant remember why though... I'm sure
someone
> > else can shed some more light, (perhaps?)
> > 
> > 					MHz
> > 
> according to what i have read pahlavi was written in ancient aramaic
alphabet.
> this kind of alphabet is related to both hebrew and arabic alphabet. it 
> is not efficient to use it because the sounds that the symbols represent are
> not used in many of the arabic based languages. 
> 
> --== not the fingernail man ==--
> zafar
> 

It is my understanding that during the reigns of the great emperors
Cyrus and Darius, the Aramaic language was adopted as the official
language across the empire. This was primarily because it was in
widespread use by the merchant class and so was already familiar to
most, if not all, of the nations incorporated into the empire. While
Pahlavi was used by the local government in Iran, it was not the
official language of the empire.

About the lack of evidence for Aryan language in Iran, are Farsi, Dari,
Pahlavi, etc. not derived from Sanskrit, the original Aryan language?

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: AghA farhAd ham assabAni shod!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.015710.7432@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>>Remember Mr. nAsser arabhA?
>
>Farhad didn't; I didn't either.  Would you be kind and tell the net who
>the person is and what happened to him, if any.  I only ask hoping your 
>reference to this person has something to do with soc.culture.iranian.

He was the editor of Farad Magazine which printed an improper caricature
of Ayatollah khomeini.

>Seyyed, you better stop these public threats at sci.  You might end up
>loosing your net privileges.  I am more concerend than just a loss of
>account on a dumb computer.  You see the more threatening you become, the
>less frightened people become too.  Then they begin to investigate and 
>pretty soon they will learn you are a 'tabl-e too-khAli.'  Then, you become
>less and less credible to the point of totally being ignored.

What threat? I am simply reminding you that you are reacting against the 
law and you might get caught. Hey, you were the guy who said that notifying
people of that they might be punished by law, is NOT a threat. Remember?

>Reghards,
>Hooshyar

Seyyed.
From: smortaz (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:56:21 GMT

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:


>I just talked to my family in Iran this morning. In light of Iran's
>elimination from the Asian Cup, here's some facts/opinion courtesy of
>my brother.

>Facts:

>    o A tie would have advanced Iran into the semifinals while it
>      would have eliminated Japan, where a win for Japan would advance
>      Japan into the semifinals and eliminate Iran.
>    o The game was played in Japan!
>    o Three players from Iran were sent off during the game!

Why would they play rough if all they needed was a tie?
Ususlly the team that is behind tries to be so aggressive that
it may get in red card trouble.
Again, to me this is very unusual.

>    o The game was tied 0-0 until the 88th minute when Japan scored
>      the only goal of the game.

>And here's my brother's opinion (I haven't seen the replay to agree or
>disagree):

>    o The Japanese player who scored the goal looked to be in offside
>      position by a few meters.

>You make the call.

>    --mack
From: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:21:34 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>In article <1992Nov3.235659.24367@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>I'm saying that men have no place imposing their interpretations
>>of gender-difference without recognition of womens' own perspectives.

>I agree with this. There are lots of things about women that men simply don't
>understand. However, I say that neither men nor women have the capability to 
>bring a "just" and correct law and impose their imperfect interpretations!
>Only God knows what law is in the best interest of both. So I suggest that
>we try to understand and apply the law of God. And God says that women should
>have the so-called "hejab". Now if you doubt that this is the law of God,
>then it's another discussion, and another approach.
   
   Sir: would you care to tell us where and how "God says that womwn should 
   have the so called hejab"? 

   If you mean Quran, there is no mention of "hejab" in Quran. This matter 
   has been discussed frequently in SCI. The only mention in Quran which
   is related to "hejab" is in Soureh Noor in which it  merely says that women
   should cover their "BREAST". This has been interpreted and stretched
   to mean the "hejab" as it is understood in present day Islamic world.

   Quron as it stands is vague on this issue. The law of "hejab" as
   you and other Hezbollahis insist, is a result of interpretation by
   "men". It can be reinterpreted as many other Islamic laws have been
   reinterpretd in Iran in recent times. In fact the legislative body
   "Majlis" in the present day Iran has several female deputies who
   are charged with enactment of laws. Therfore the reinterpretation of 
   "hejab" should take into consideration the opinion of the women
   who are severly affected by these restrictive laws.

   It is interesting to note that "hejab" is stricly enforced in "urban"
   areas and there is no such strict enforcement of "hejab" in rural
   areas. The origins of "hejab" are obscure, but some believe this parctice
   developed as a result of spread of polygomy. Polygomy was mostly
   practiced by the wealthy merchants in "urabn" areas. The clergy who
   were dependent for their income on the wealthy mercahnt class have 
   interpreted Quran to suit the needs of this class, thus keeping
   women in bondage.

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrc.utc.com (ALI BABA)
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:32:00 GMT

In article <12NOV199213254704@rosie.uh.edu>, cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes...
>In article <1992Nov12.183057.5400@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes...
>>In article <12NOV199206532838@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>>> I am so happy! As a Kurd I'm sick of us trying to work things
>>>peacefully or asking other countries to help us. What we need
>>>to do is to kill all those goddam Arabs and Turks that act nice
>>>as individuals, but are monsters when they're with their own
>> 
>>Notice how conveniently he left out Iranians.  Whose payroll is this guy
>>on?
>> 
>>>kind. Those Pesh Madgres are the only true heores left in the
>>>Middle East!
>>>
>>>
>>>Satan.
>>>
>> 
>>Isn't there a conflict of interest with Ahoora Joon here? hmmm..
>> 
>> 
>>Agha Javad
>> 
> 
> What the fuck are you trying to be sarcastic of?
> 
>Satan.
> 

Hey shyetoon bala;
Ignore Javad baghaal;
This guy dosn't know his left hand from the right one, He has been down for a 
long time. I think (baghaaleh sareh Kocheh golesh zadeh) and hand him some
baghalli.

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